In this episode, I sit down with author and podcaster Cody Tucker to discuss his new book, "And Now You Know: How I Learned to Stop Worrying About What I Don't Know and Start Doing What I Do." Cody talks about how he became a podcaster, how he got started in comedy, and what it's like to grow up in the 90s and early 2000s.
00:02:51.000Yeah, so this would have been like a couple years after that even.
00:02:54.000But when I started, you know, me and my friend Brian, when we started, we weren't even thinking it was a podcast.
00:02:59.000We had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs back when it was on Justin TV, which became what, Jamie?
00:03:59.000But Anthony Cumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement where he would do karaoke with a green screen holding a machine gun.
00:05:39.000You did your podcast, and in those stories that you would tell on the podcast, where you would drop some crazy information, then you decided to start clipping them up.
00:07:27.000And, yeah, so he moved to Florida, changed his name kind of, I think, to Forrest Carter, I think is the way he changed his name to, and started writing books.
00:07:37.000One of them was the rebel outlaw Josie Wales, which, you know, Clint Eastwood turned into.
00:08:13.000I mean, if there's ever a dude, and I know he's clean and sober now, and God bless him, and I feel terrible that the guy got hit by a fucking van, like the whole deal.
00:15:02.000So I'd known Norm forever, and then one time I was flying back from somewhere, and I sit down, and then Norm plops right next to him like, dude, like, what are the odds?
00:18:23.000It's just a delivery method that's what's terrible for you.
00:18:27.000Yeah, I don't think nicotine's ever really been proven to just be horrible for you.
00:18:31.000It actually is neuroprotective, which, like, I love saying those words because I don't really know what the fuck I'm saying, but it sounds like you're smart.
00:18:40.000You know, Jillian Michaels was in here the other day, and she was talking about it.
00:18:44.000She chews gum and people are like, oh, you're trying to quit smoking?
00:18:48.000She's like, no, it's actually good for you.
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00:20:31.000Well, the real issue is that many cigarettes, they add a bunch of stuff to make them more addictive.
00:21:17.000Why is it okay to do that with cigarettes, but they would never be okay to do that with cheeseburgers?
00:21:21.000If we found out that McDonald's was putting fentanyl in the cheeseburgers and made you come back and eat more cheeseburgers there, we'd be like, no fucking way.
00:26:07.000I forget what the argument was about, but essentially they're getting in trouble for facilitating these fake arguments like as an experiment.
00:27:08.000Research dispatched an army of AI chatbots to debate human users on the subreddit in a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds.
00:27:20.000The optics were horrendous with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault and a black man who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:27:29.000Worse yet, the AI models scoured the post history of users they were applying to in order to be as convincing as possible.
00:27:37.000Basically a formalized trial run of the dead internet theory that much of the internet is already...
00:28:53.000Did you ever see the Netflix documentary where they go over his life when he was a baby, when they left him in the crib, and he never got touched for, like, months?
00:30:41.000That a university would do that, pretend to be a black guy who's against the Black Lives Matter movement and a woman who survived a sexual assault.
00:30:51.000You're just making it up with AI chatbots?
00:31:07.000There are lots of people who would probably just volunteer and you could have a whole study, control group, you know, have the whole thing.
00:31:14.000Yeah, you don't have to do it anonymously on the internet under false pretenses.
00:32:54.000I mean, think about how much of your data you give just so that you can Google things.
00:33:00.000Think of how much money they make off of your data and giving out your email address and all the fucking spam texts that you get every day, all the chaos.
00:33:36.000But what if you paid for it, and then they couldn't use any of your data ever, and it was a totally honest relationship, and you're not allowed to curate the information either.
00:33:45.000You just have to put out the information as it exists online.
00:34:22.000But they can get the majority of that information through, you know, they can track, you know, get your address, get your, they can find out.
00:34:29.000Even more information about you through giving up your privacy, like data privacy.
00:34:34.000But we don't have a list of what they're getting.
00:34:37.000I mean, I guess you do if you read that whole damn thing, but who's reading that?
00:34:43.000Somebody told me there was something, we might have to edit this out if it's not true, but somebody told me there's something fucked up about Google's terms and whatever terms apply.
00:34:57.000With a thing that you have to agree to?
00:34:59.000That it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation?
00:35:34.000Acceptance required by applicable law, mediation is voluntary, and neither you nor Google are obligated to settle disputes through mediation.
00:36:04.000Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court.
00:36:11.000This arbitration is individual and non-consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit.
00:36:19.000Uber also limits its liability and states that drivers are independent contractors, not employees.
00:36:25.000If you have a dispute, you can try to resolve it through mediation, but it may ultimately be resolved through arbitration.
00:37:35.000The thing about Uber is if they're just private contractors, then it becomes like, okay, what is your responsibility to screen these private contractors?
00:37:45.000Because some of these people might be psychos and you're a woman and you get in the car with someone who hasn't been vetted and they're a psycho.
00:37:53.000I'm wondering if this has to do with...
00:38:29.000Except as was set forth in these terms, these terms shall be exclusively governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
00:38:41.000Excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
00:39:46.000If AI has already taken over, we've already agreed by the timing of your book, the synchronicity is real, and that maybe the simulation is real.
00:39:53.000And then if it's going to be simulated, it's not going to be simulated by a bunch of people.
00:39:58.000It's going to be simulated by artificial intelligence.
00:40:01.000No, there'd be way more mistakes if it was people.
00:40:06.000The contract governed by the laws of the Netherlands, not U.S. law.
00:40:09.000This means Dutch legal principles will guide how the contract is interpreted except for conflicts of laws, rules, which deal with choosing which country's laws apply.
00:42:46.000Like, if the government's after you, and you're in a fucking Uber driver, and the guy's cool, you go, listen, dude, I'm gonna make this worth your while.
00:42:53.000It's a four-hour drive, four hours back.
00:43:28.000But immediately downloaded the Uber and Waymo app because I was like, well, let me just get one to take me up to like 6th Street or something.
00:45:44.000I think there's so much wild genetic stuff going on right now that they're going to change what it means to be a person within our lifetime.
00:46:16.000So these little fuckers can survive forever in space.
00:46:20.000For whatever reason they go into like hibernation in space like and they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander that are actually on the moon They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're like in a suspended state of animation And that if you brought them back the United States, they'd kick back in and be alive again That's how crazy these are weird.
00:46:42.000So there was this Chinese experiment where they're integrating tardigrade DNA into human DNA That's a good idea.
00:46:51.000There's nothing that could ever go wrong with doing that.
00:46:54.000But what happens if someone develops a bulletproof, immortal human that literally lives forever unless it gets hit with a meteor?
00:47:07.000That's not outside of what's possible, man.
00:47:11.000They developed, or they were developing...
00:47:15.000See if you can find that first before I make you Google this.
00:47:18.000But they were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk.
00:49:27.000So, okay, China has already done these genetic experiments on babies that are supposed to inoculate them to HIV, but also somehow increase their intelligence.
00:49:40.000And the guy got in trouble, and they said, you're bad.
00:49:44.000You shouldn't have done that research that we paid you to do.
00:49:46.000And so they put him in jail for a couple of years, probably played golf, and then now he's out.
00:49:53.000And that's just what we know about publicly.
00:49:56.000If they were making Super Soldiers, by the time we hear about it, there's probably some mountain in China that has an underground base, just like we have, just like Area 51. They have some base carved to the side of a mountain, and they're doing wild shit over there.
00:50:14.000Where Jared Leto lives, or whatever it is.
00:50:29.000Yeah, yeah, with all those people like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, well, maybe not Neil Young, but like, yeah, a lot of those artists had like big Vietnam.
00:52:35.000So, yeah, if you want to say there's, like, a conspiracy that they pumped it up and, like...
00:52:41.000Put more money into, like, marketing their music to make sure that those artists' music got sold more and played on the radio more, like kind of a payola sort of thing.
00:53:24.000I mean, the amount of times, dude, that I've seen, like, people on TV that are supposed to be these, like, massively famous artists, I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.
00:53:32.000And I'm, like, in the age where I should still know who all these people are.
00:54:29.000Well, it also seems like there isn't...
00:54:31.000Because, like, you know, you go back to, let's say, like the 60s, and you think, like, okay, late 60s, this is the time of, like, you know, Hendrix and, like, the Rolling Stones, the Sgt. Pepper, like, these are, like, the highly influential experimental musicians.
00:55:16.000But there's still a lot of really good bands now.
00:55:19.000The whole music business is weird because you don't sell anything anymore other than tickets to come see people.
00:55:27.000But yet, there's still a giant industry that is involved in promoting and taking these artists and essentially locking them up to these deals.
00:55:40.000Well, yeah, because you get the ticket money.
00:55:42.000Yeah, but they get the ticket money now, and that's the thing that the music companies didn't used to get.
00:55:49.000So, yeah, you still are going to market, distribute the way that you would have in the past, but now you're just getting your slice of cake from a different – you're getting it from a different area than you used to.
00:56:02.000But you're still pumping them out, pumping them up.
00:56:05.000For the same reason, ultimately, to make money.
00:56:07.000It's just you're getting it in a different way.
00:56:09.000What I'm saying is that now a bunch of people are emerging that aren't doing any of that stuff.
00:56:13.000You got, like, your title and the creator type dudes.
00:56:49.000Yeah, there's always going to be the ones who come out in, like, the indie way, you know, of, like, what Tarantino was for, like, movies, you know?
00:56:57.000Like, come out, like, I'm doing this all on my own, and, like, there's always going to be those people.
00:57:02.000I just think it seems like there's not a lot of those.
00:57:06.000Yeah, but when they break through, it fucking means something.
00:58:31.000And I'll just put that in, and there's all this amazing stuff.
00:58:34.000It'll have some deep cuts from The Stones, which is one of my favorite bands, and just all this other stuff that I've never heard before, but it all came out around that time, has the same sound.
00:58:43.000There's never a miss on that whole list of 200 songs.
01:00:45.000But you know yourself better than anybody else.
01:00:47.000So you should be able to self-diagnose yourself.
01:00:49.000Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real.
01:00:53.000I think it's one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit and they can't pay attention to stuff that sucks.
01:01:00.000Well, and there probably is some disorder in it.
01:01:05.000Because I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that there is like a thing, but to say that it's like a disorder and that it's negative and that it needs to be treated is different.
01:01:14.000Like I don't think ADHD necessarily needs to be treated.
01:01:32.000That's the reality because it takes so long to become a hunter and gatherer and it took like hundreds of thousands of years for us to be good at it.
01:01:40.000And we've only been living in civilization for a little tiny little blink of time.
01:01:44.000So our fucking programming is all not to sit still all day, not to stare at a fucking teacher, not to be bored memorizing shit.
01:01:53.000Our old thing is like be active, do something, learn, get excited about something.
01:01:58.000We have like an entire forgotten group of people that have so much energy and they have all these interests that are not what you're...
01:06:11.000Like, I used to work in a pharmacy for a long time, and just seeing, like, how many parents are coming in there and giving their kids, and their kids just, like, zonked out.
01:06:19.000They look like they're in one floor of the cuckoo's nest, you know?
01:06:23.000And they're just like, oh, here's my kid.
01:06:25.000This, like, high-level amount of, you know, Ritalin or whatever, Vyvanse, you know, Adderall.
01:06:45.000Because you come home from school, from work, rather, your feet hurt, you fucking sit down, take your shoes off, the kid's fucking sword fighting with his brother in the middle of the living room, like, hey, you gotta stop.
01:08:06.000They knew that was essentially heroin.
01:08:07.000I mean, that's one of the great moments in that Peter Berg docu-series on Netflix, docudrama series, where the guy is breaking it down to him.
01:10:10.000Yeah, to push their medicine over another medicine, even though their medicine might have worse side effects or maybe not even be the exact right one.
01:14:50.000I'll tell you what, you know, the wrestling an alligator thing, I can tell you from firsthand experience, you can be any weight and wrestle a fucking alligator.
01:15:51.000No, they'll eat a grown adult if they get a hold of you.
01:15:53.000They'll take you and drag you under a log.
01:15:55.000It's just they're not as aggressive as crocs.
01:15:57.000Crocs actively target people, whereas alligators are like, if you fuck up, there's a fun story.
01:16:02.000A guy was in a police chase in Florida.
01:16:05.000Cops are chasing him, gets to a bridge, jumps out of the car, into the water, lands on an alligator, and just gets mauled right in front of the cops.
01:16:15.000He gets killed by an alligator right from a big and two.
01:16:19.000It was like, again, like the book coming out today.
01:16:23.000Sometimes the universe is there with a 13-footer.
01:16:38.000Yeah, I've snuck up on, well, accidentally snuck up on one once, and it is, it's kind of terrifying hearing the, I can't make the sound, but that like, you know, that sound they make.
01:16:53.000Yeah, I was going to take a piss by a tree and just heard that sound, and I was like, and it was nighttime, so I'm like, oh, I don't like that that just happened.
01:22:24.000But their primary respiratory organ is a swim bladder, which can be used to breathe in air when needed, especially in low-oxygen environments.
01:25:58.000In the weeks before he found Jesus, the evangelist formerly known as General Butt-Naked reckons he was sacrificing four or five children a day.
01:26:08.000Murder had long come naturally to him.
01:26:10.000He was only 11 when the elders who had steeped him in the ways of witchcraft first handed him the sacrificial knife.
01:26:17.000But he never killed with such intensity and ferocity as during those weeks in mid-1996, when Liberia's first civil war reached its calamitous climax on the blood-soaked streets of Monrovia, the country's death.
01:26:30.000trees battered capital several times a day the warlord and his battalion of boys all naked as he was would emerge into the maelstrom firing wildly as they added their own breed of terror to the chaos wow yet the bloodletting always began before a single bullet had been fired before each engagement butt naked pagan priest and holy warrior would lay a child face down on the sacrificial table slice open its victims back and pull out they're still beating heart thus
01:27:00.000ensuring magical protection for the coming back Yikes.
01:27:20.000More than 20 years later, General Buttnaget, nom de guerre, evangelist Joshua Milton Blahy, no longer cares to use, has never appeared in court for the war crimes he so freely admits to.
01:27:34.000Neither for that matter has anyone else, not in Liberia at least.
01:28:26.000Like, this guy, yeah, went to Africa and started, like, building these, like, you know, kind of, I guess not orphanages, but, like, schools, basically.
01:28:33.000And then, obviously, you know, the warlords would come in and burn these schools down because they didn't want them being built and try to take the money that's being donated.
01:28:41.000So he started, like, going over there.
01:28:43.000Like, he was, at one point, just kind of...
01:28:45.000You know, getting money and sending it there.
01:28:48.000And then he was like, well, I'll actually go over there with weapons and I'll protect these schools.
01:29:27.000People that don't visit those places in the world, they don't see, like the look in the eyes of people that have been to all those dangerous parts.
01:29:35.000Like my friend Shane, Shane Smith from Vice.
01:29:38.000He's got this, when he starts talking about these places that he's been, especially the early days, he has an understanding of the dangers of the outside world that I think us in this little gated community we call the United States, we're very, very ignorant about how fucking sideways things have gone in other parts of the world right now.
01:29:57.000While you're enjoying Netflix, cuddling up with your sweetheart, eating popcorn, there's parts of the world right now where someone's cutting out a child's heart to eat it before they go to battle.
01:30:07.000Maybe not in the same timeline, but close enough.
01:30:10.000I mean, just because he's not doing it doesn't mean somebody else isn't.
01:30:13.000Who knows what's happening right now in certain war-torn parts of the world.
01:30:17.000And we just think, well, you know, what we really need is equity.
01:30:55.000I understand that you have this perspective.
01:30:57.000And in your world that you've cultivated, you probably are safe because you've cultivated this world of a bunch of people that share the worldview of you.
01:31:04.000But when you enter into other people's spaces and you're ignorant to their culture and how crazy – like I read about this couple.
01:31:14.000They decided they're going to prove that people were just good people everywhere and they went and hung out with ISIS and they killed them.
01:31:50.000I have a lighter that my friend Chris Williamson gave me that is from my comedy club that went to Antarctica because they took a group of people to show them that the world isn't flat.
01:37:06.000Well, and then they're saying like it's always expanding.
01:37:08.000That can't be true because what is it expanding into?
01:37:11.000If space is space, you know, if they're like, oh, it's like blowing up a balloon where everything's – OK, well, you're blowing up a balloon in a room.
01:37:44.000Is that a thing that we think that, like, because we were born and we die, that we have these biological limitations that we attach to the universe itself?
01:38:08.000Then there always has been something because if it's just something – if it's just the nature of everything, there is always something, right?
01:38:17.000It couldn't be nothing and then all of a sudden everything.
01:38:21.000That seems— Because what started that?
01:39:48.000I mean, as far as they know, she's dead.
01:39:51.000Put her in a box, wooden box, take her to a mortuary, and the guy's, you know, getting her ready to...
01:39:56.000Prepper to barrier, and she wakes back up after they start doing, like, they feel, well, they feel like a faint pulse, and they're like, oh my god, this woman's still alive, but she's not, like, coherent and alert, so they start giving her, like, tobacco smoke enemas, which, oh, it gotta be a great time.
01:40:12.000Whose idea, how do you go to that one first?
01:42:25.000Yeah, and Jesus went through some stuff by the time he hit 33. I just think human beings probably, we're probably dealing with a very robust gene pool.
01:46:56.000There's this area in sub-Saharan Africa that has all of the attributes of Atlantis, including its position, where the mountains are to the north, where the river is to the south, the concentric rings.
01:47:09.000It literally is the same size as described, the concentric rings.
01:48:24.000It literally looks like how Atlantis was described, with concentric circles.
01:48:29.000But crazier still is its position to the mountains, which are in the north, and the south, where the river runs through, is literally exactly as described.
01:48:42.000And if you look at the image, look how it all looks blown out, man.
01:49:39.000I mean, when a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and you don't have computers, it's real possible that the myth of Atlantis, you're talking about like...
01:49:51.000A civilization that existed at a certain point in time.
01:49:54.000And it might not have just been this one incredible city, but it's probably multiple cities that existed that just don't exist anymore.
01:52:05.000But that's part of it, is that they will just dismiss the leads, because somebody will call in and be like, hey, have y 'all checked this person on this date?
01:52:13.000Ask where they were, and they're like, we did it, don't worry about it.
01:52:37.000The whole thing is very interesting because clearly we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle laid out and there are people that want to pretend that we do and that's just not the case.
01:52:45.000There's just – there's too much weird stuff and there's too much time that passed.
01:52:49.000And the weird stuff is like Gobekli Tepe and these 11,000-year-old structures and a bunch of stuff that they're finding in Malta.
01:54:31.000So who's to say there weren't people way before them?
01:54:34.000And then there's all these different routes you can take, and there's ideas of, like, the Phoenicians coming, or maybe the Egyptians, like, coming into South America.
01:54:42.000You know, even longer than that, like thousands of years ago.
01:56:37.000But I was watching this video where they were talking about this guy who was initially from the 1500s who was the first to describe what he saw there and that he saw thriving populations, like incredibly sophisticated agricultural setups.
01:56:51.000These people, they lived in harmony with the rainforest in some strange way.
01:56:57.000of like because what the video was about was about they were trying to reconcile how you could get enormous populations of people that lived in this area without the kind of agriculture that we assume you need to have in order to support these kind of populations.
01:57:14.000And so they did something different and integrated somehow with the rainforest, and it was also about that stuff that Hancock has talked about, terra preta, the type of soil that they had created.
01:57:24.000It's a man-made, like, composted soil.
01:58:05.000But the point is, the first people to go there that were Europeans that went back to Europe described these insanely sophisticated cultures that had millions of people living in it.
01:59:29.000Well, we have like, I mean, there's obviously like a Eurocentric idea a lot of the times where we think like, oh, we're the only ones who could have ever come up with like these advanced technologies and like have these advanced civilizations.
01:59:42.000I mean, you look, and it was like in Africa, there was all sorts of, like, massive civilizations.
02:02:21.000You can't even eat them in the room because if someone is near you that has a severe peanut allergy, that's why they don't have them on planes anymore.
02:02:27.000Remember they used to have them on planes?
02:02:31.000If you and I were sitting next to each other on a plane and I have a severe peanut allergy and you start eating them, I could die just sitting next to you, breathing your peanutty air.
02:02:40.000God, what a great way to kill someone if you really wanted to and get away with it.
02:03:50.000Some people can develop an allergy to coffee if they're also allergic to cockroaches.
02:03:53.000So becoming allergic to cockroaches, working with them, is what makes them allergic to...
02:03:57.000So it's tropomyosin, a common allergen.
02:04:04.000Cross-reactivity means individuals allergic to cockroaches may also experience allergic reactions when consuming coffee, particularly pre-ground coffee.
02:04:11.000See, in my mind, I thought it was because there was a bunch of cockroaches in pre-ground coffee.
02:06:55.000Oh, I've eaten food that tasted like burnt plastic.
02:06:58.000It sounds like, oh, I don't think this macaroni and cheese is supposed to taste like this, but...
02:07:02.000There was some sort of article that was saying that many human beings have as much as a plastic, like, coffee spoon worth of plastic in their head.
02:07:46.000What your brain filter looks like if there's plastic everywhere?
02:07:50.000Concentrations we saw in the brain tissue of normal individuals had an average age of around 45-50 years old were 4,800 micrograms per gram, or 0.48% by weight.
02:08:02.000It's the equivalent to an entire standard plastic spoon.
02:14:56.000130 years later, you know, his heart has been preserved in what I guess would be formaldehyde.
02:15:02.000And it's sitting in this guy's office, basically.
02:15:06.000And a fellow, I think he was like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I don't know, some lord, whatever their little fruity little names they give each other.
02:15:14.000But then this fellow named William Buckland comes in and who had kind of like a notorious...
02:15:20.000Big stomach, ate a lot of weird shit, and he saw the heart and was like, holy hell, that's the heart of King Louis XIV.
02:15:26.000I've never eaten the heart of a king before, so how about I just give it a try?
02:15:31.000And then they come back in, and he's eaten the damn heart.
02:16:12.000He doffs his cab to Victorian feud hero, a gentleman whose ambition was to eat an example of every animal in existence.
02:16:20.000Again, this is Courtney, Del Walter, and Cam Haynes who are running 250 miles right now, and this is this dude who's like, I want to eat one of everything.
02:17:23.000So, this guy, Major General Charles George Gordon, a British Army officer whose day job saw him fight a series of bloody campaigns across the Middle East and Africa, yet was almost as notorious for believing the Earth was encased in a hollow sphere.
02:17:37.000And that the Garden of Eden was located in the sea somewhere off the coast of Seychelles.
02:17:52.000William Buckland, so the man who ate everything, born in 1784, a year in which famine in Japan claimed 300,000 lives and a massive locust swarm hit South Africa.
02:18:04.000Coincidence, of course, but it fits in the theme of this blog.
02:25:50.000One of the things that the guys from Colossal were telling me, the guys who resurrected the dire wolf, they were telling me, Ben Lamb was telling me, that when it comes to DNA of dinosaurs, they don't really have DNA of dinosaurs.
02:26:49.000Look, if they can take human beings and integrate them with tardigrade DNA and have them become fucking superheroes, they can make a dinosaur.
02:27:51.000Have you ever seen, like, an artist's depiction of what, if they take a hippo skull, like, what an artist's depiction of what the animal could look like?
02:31:15.000Yeah, so people will take somebody who is a big son of a bitch and they go, oh, well, let's exaggerate and say that the guy he fought was nine feet tall instead of six foot five.
02:32:54.000Now imagine you're out in West Texas, wherever you are, hanging out with your friends and somebody notices something in the ground and you start digging.
02:33:04.000And you pull out a fucking thigh bone that's this big, and you plop it down.
02:35:16.000So maybe back then, if you had a ton of food and you didn't have to worry about war, like, and people just kept breeding and growing and getting nutrient-rich.
02:35:25.000Because the thing about people in the past was they didn't get any fucking food, man.
02:37:02.000Because it seems like the more we uncover with ancient history, just like Troy and probably Atlantis, the more you realize, like, none of it was bullshit.
02:37:11.000It was just their version of trying to tell you the story.
02:38:15.000Because, like, there's an echo to a lot of it, a lot of ancient stories and a lot of religious stories, too.
02:38:22.000They're just like, man, I think something was going on.
02:38:25.000And I think this is the echo of, like, this historical depiction of probably something real that went down, like the Noah and the Ark story.
02:39:32.000Saving history, like you're preserving history, but you're not doing it in the sense that we would, as we would do it now, where we would like...
02:40:46.000You would say, yeah, on this day this happened, this day that happened, but ultimately it's just day after day after day, and then seven days you rest, and otherwise, yeah, you're done.
02:40:54.000Yeah, if you were trying to explain the birth of the universe that happened, that, like...
02:40:59.000People were talking about it for thousands of years and then someone wrote it down on clay tablets thousands of years later.
02:41:06.000These are just the memories of some ancient knowledge where people really had reached a level of sophistication that we could only imagine.