Joe Rogan Experience #2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Summary
In this episode of Mythology and Mythology: The Ancient Egyptian Mythology Podcast, host Alex Blumberg sits down with legendary archaeologist and author of The Great Pyramid, Dr. Carl Sagan, to talk about the secrets of the ancient Egyptian pyramids and why they are so hard to move.
Transcript
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Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening?
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Then I was teaching at UCLA, and he called me for an interview.
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I said, no, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt.
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I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to construct the Sphinx.
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And I brought a man on the age of 70. And I told this man, cut this stone.
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With a pencil, he drew a line from the beginning to the end.
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Because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation.
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If you go today, if I take you today with me, and you know, I always tell people this.
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I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups.
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If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human beings.
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And number two, if you try to do it today, you will never be able to do it.
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Are you going to hire today 10,000 workmen to work for 28 years for nothing?
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That was the national project of the whole nation.
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Concern was how would someone possibly move those stones 4,500 years ago?
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And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter, the press, and we'll do it live.
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Ten workmen only moved the 20 tons only by wooden sledges.
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We took the third one and we found underneath another, a third one, five tons weight.
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We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with the mummy.
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But only in a site that I'm excavating right now.
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They said our grandfathers called it like that.
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Then they put this machine under the lid, and they come doing it like this, and they raise the lid a little bit.
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When the lid is laced, they put a piece of wood, another piece of wood, until there is a half a feet that I can put my face inside with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin.
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Because the people today are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians.
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And this village, all the people work in Antiquities.
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And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian people.
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In Giza, we're going to tell you good news inside the Great Pyramid that we found.
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And this is why in my lecture tour now, I'm making major important announcements that we'll talk about with you today.
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Some people think that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization and I hide them.
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But to you, I tell you, how do I, how can I hide anything?
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You cannot hide anything because people will see you.
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A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office was located next to the Great Pyramid of Kufu.
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And he said to me, people say at 12 noon, you leave your office and you go to the bathroom, and you open a tunnel from your bathroom.
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And you go from the tunnel, To the Great Pyramid.
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I said, have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom?
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He said, I will publish your bathroom in the internet.
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And therefore, if you want to see my bathroom, write W, W. Is that much of an issue?
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That people really believe that you had to make a website for it?
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The Egyptian pyramids and just Egypt in general is so spectacular.
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The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so above anything that anybody had ever achieved.
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Thousands and thousands of years ago, still to this day, puzzles people when they try to figure out how it was built.
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I found all the evidence of building the pyramid.
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This book is the Bible of the pyramids of Giza Plateau.
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What we found out, the major problem that people think about pyramids, because most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong.
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Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 50, 70 years of my life.
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Okay, what do the archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologists' books?
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For example, number one, they say that the workmen who built the pyramids worked only four months a year.
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When the flood covered the whole country, the king hired the workmen to work in this pyramid.
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Number two, that the stones used in building the Great Pyramid, How many blocks are there?
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Now, let us talk about number one, the workman.
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A major important discovery that can tell everyone, number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery.
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I always, because I do lots of interviews, I always close it.
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Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore.
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Excuse me, you found the workers' pyramids' graves a mile away.
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The lower symmetry were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones.
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And the upper cemetery was for the technicians.
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Now, the tombs down there are very primitive tombs, built from mud brick, cost nothing.
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And if the skeleton is for a man, he's holding a beer jar.
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If the skeleton is for a woman, she has perfume vessels.
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Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic.
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For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid.
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All these titles had to do with building the pyramid.
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Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptians used to cut the stones.
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Are these photos of these tools available online?
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So you feel like they used this very hard stone to cut into the ground.
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To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish.
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We found the workmen barracks for the workmen who want the stones to live.
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We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans.
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And we discovered thousands of animal bones because people always say, That the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer.
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But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats every day.
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Then we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen.
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And they worked every day, and they took one day off every ten days.
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Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project.
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The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god.
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And therefore, the households in the south and the north of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king.
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That all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza, the stones came from quarries in the site itself.
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Now, what we found out, first, how the Egyptians built the pyramid.
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And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides.
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All the skeleton that you discover are five to six feet high.
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If aliens build the pyramids, do they leave any?
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If they don't shit, are they going to leave something on the ground?
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On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will tell you today of actual workers and what's happening.
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All the stones I told you came from Giza Plateau.
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Of the pyramid to be 28 feet on the solid rock.
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We don't have only Kofu pyramids that everyone is talking about.
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That this pyramid is so accurate and strong because Giza Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids.
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The Egyptians used this stone to build the pyramid.
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Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 feet of stone, we found out 1,000 feet.
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So they only had to bring the stones 1,000 feet?
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Only the stones that came from outside are the casing stones.
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And the casing stones were the outside smooth surface.
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Then now, when we discovered the quarry location, And the base of the pyramid, we thought how they established the ramp.
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We found out if the Egyptians would make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen.
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Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp.
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We found out, listen to this carefully, that the only way to have a pyramid ramp is to come to the south.
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And these are photos in my book, Giza and the Pyramids.
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When the Egyptians construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish the ramp.
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Okay, let's find the photos of the equipment first.
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Joe, these are the tombs of the pyramid builders.
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Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid.
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Let us, if you go to my book, you will find out that I found here that you write under flint tools.
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The stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau.
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So there is one big discovery happened a few years ago.
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The tools in our book, which is big, do you write tools?
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Right, but I mean, wouldn't that be everywhere?
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I mean, that's such a huge archaeological discovery.
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I ask the people online, but they are in, remains in my book.
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So there should be a photograph of them in the museum.
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Now, a few years ago, a major discovery happened for the first time.
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The first time that we have written evidence about building the pyramid of Khufu.
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This papyri was found in Sinai, in a port that belongs to Khufu.
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And inside the caves found remains of boat and this big papayri.
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And he said, my immediate boss, his name is Diddy.
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Now, 20 years ago, in my excavation, West of the Great Pyramid of Khufu, I discovered 20 tombs.
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But don't those look exactly like the other photograph we just had?
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These are tools for making statues and things like that, but not cutting the stones.
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So these are the same kind of tools, though, with the same kind of materials.
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20 years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid of Khufu.
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I published all of them, except one small tomb I said is not important.
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Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi, the person that he was the boss of Merer.
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By Zahi Hawass, west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu.
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We went to Torah to cut the white, fine limestone.
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This sentence means that the pyramid was finished.
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And Miller went to bring the stones for the casing.
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There is many other gangs are cutting the stones.
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And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs.
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And smoothing the stones with the right tools to face the stones for the casing.
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And after that he said, Group moving the stones in wooden sledges.
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We have evidence that the river Nile, the Egyptian cut to the west of this river Nile, another Nile to be near the pyramid.
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At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid.
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I discovered in my excavation, in front of Khufu pyramid, there is a village called Naslit Samman.
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In this village, the people were building houses.
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They cut a canal just so they could move the stones to where they wanted them.
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Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later?
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There is two important things when they finish building the pyramid.
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I discovered in a site called Abusir, I discovered two scenes.
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One scene where it came in dragging a capstone.
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Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic word called jaim.
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How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Library of Alexandria?
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And this is why what I'm telling you, I have been excavating in Giza, Zhou, for the last 57 years.
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I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind.
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But let me finish this story, and after that I will come back to tell you how I look at what people say, and I try to investigate this.
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Now, Miller said, I put the stones on a cargo boat, and we came in the boat to Giza Plateau.
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I got up early in the morning with my workman, went to Torah.
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Then he said, I went to Sinai to bring copper and turquoise.
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But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his name is Ankaf.
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We know from text that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid, he was Khufu's cousin.
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Then actually, it seems now that Hem Iyuno died, and Ankaf completed the Great Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kephren.
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Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of Khufu's reign.
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A shiptolicist has a problem when they count the name of the king.
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Because when the ancient Egyptians counted the cattle, they counted the reign of the king.
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Sometimes they counted the cattle every two years.
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And we have on the second boat pit that the Japanese are restoring now, we know when the king die, his son bury him.
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His name is Jerry Frey, who did not respect his father, and I will tell you why.
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He buried his father in year 28. Then we know now, for sure, that Khufu ruled for 28 years.
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Now, Miller said something that made me very happy.
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To say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt.
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I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid.
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If the pyramid is in Abrawash, the king ruled Egypt from Abrawash.
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If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abu Sir, Saqqara.
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Many people did not believe me when I wrote this article.
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But Merer said, Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.
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If he lived in a palace at Giza, means with the royal family, the public, and the government.
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And he said that the area that Khufu lived in it, in the pyramid called Ankh Khufu, in hieroglyphic, means the Khufu lives.
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This is the name of the city, that Khufu lived in it.
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But what's really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to come to the pyramid.
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Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name.
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And this is why if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you five hours to enter because it's busy.
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This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discoveries that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid.
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And now we come to the reign of Khufu, 28 years, and now the stones of the Great Pyramid.
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I looked everywhere to find out how they counted the stones that people said it's 2 million and 300 Saza blocks.
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You know all the theories that the New Age people say now, it came from the Arabs.
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When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all these nonsense stories about the pyramids.
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Then, I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones.
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But now, we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high of solid rock, no stones.
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And we recounted the stones based on the new evidence, and we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only no more than one million.
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And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.
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So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high carved into solid stone.
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And then the other rocks were placed on top of it.
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No, I want to come to when you told me about this capstone, because we did not complete the capstone.
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The base is 20 feet high, and then the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it's far less than that?
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Because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock.
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So before they thought the base was individual stones.
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So now that you know that the base is solid rock, that removes 1,300,000 stones that were necessary.
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So they carved this base knowing they were going to put a pyramid on top of it.
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Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid.
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The only two kings that are not buried underneath is Khufu and his father.
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If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built.
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It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it.
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You can see when you go down that the barrier chamber is not finished.
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Khufu, in year five, he said, I am the sun god.
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And he abandoned the construction of the first barrier chamber, and he built his chamber within the pyramid because he's a god.
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And the second evidence that he called his pyramid Akhet Khufu means the horizon of Khufu.
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And the third evidence is something that only occurred at Giza.
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I found that the Sphinx represent Kephrin, the son of Kufu, giving offering with his two paws to his father, the sun god, Kufu, who rise and sits in this temple, the first sun temple.
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And this is why Kufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids.
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And I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now.
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Now, before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you, that I found Workman dragging a capstone.
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Above the capstone, there is a hieroglyphic word called Jaim.
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And the khener are the dance troupe of the king.
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When the pyramid was finished, the king asked the workmen to put the capstone in the top of the pyramid.
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When they put the capstone in the top of the pyramid, caged with gold, the whole country danced.
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That's what I call the national project of the whole nation.
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The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the old kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king as a god.
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I mean, it's your theory that the capstone was put on and...
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One scene working and dragging a capstone with the word jime.
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But for everybody else that doesn't have immediate access to your book.
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How do you think they got the stones from the King's Chamber 500 miles away and put them 120 feet up in the ceiling?
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I told you, if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite, you'll understand.
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If they're doing it today, they have access to modern machinery, right?
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It's everything based on the idea of the national project.
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I understand the national project, but what I don't understand is the physics involved in moving 80-ton blocks 500 miles through the mountains.
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I want you to explain to me how you think they did it.
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Right, but the quarries are in the mountains, right?
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No, the quarries, the granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obelisks, and cutting of the stones, and cutting of everything in the site.
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And they brought, when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood, they bring all the stones.
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So they plan things for the floods, and then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on, and then move them that way.
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We now do not believe that this cannot be moved by a human being, okay?
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But on the other side, what I can tell you, inside, above these blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid, above the king's chamber.
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One of the names, Friendless of Khufu, I did a 3D few months ago.
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And we recorded in the five chambers that has these huge blocks.
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One name called those who are connected with the goodness wadjet.
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And written year 13 of Kofu's reign on the third chamber.
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I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they were written.
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So you're saying that they took these stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site.
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Whatever they had at the time was their current technology.
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This is the only way that today we move huge stones.
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This is how my workmen moved 20 tons of sarcophagus in a tomb.
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But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 tons of statue.
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Then we have all this type of scene that the Egyptians show that.
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Do you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick so they can pull it?
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And then you just slowly but surely pulled it into position.
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We have this in the tombs, this wooden slidges.
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But let me take you now to what I began to reveal, the secret of Gufu pyramid.
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As I told you again, I always listen to what people say, and I try to prove them if they are right or not.
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In the Great Pyramid most of my life because I was an inspector of the pyramid, director of...
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Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity.
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Enter and set the pyramid, gives about 20 grams of water.
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And after that, I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid?
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In the king chamber and the queen chamber, you have this tunnel.
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And we took the German robot to the king chamber.
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We are sitting in the king chamber with a TV screen.
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We found out that the interior of the pyramid...
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And this is why when the Arabs came to Egypt, and they said man fears time, and time fears pyramids.
00:50:04.000
Then we found out that this shaft went outside.
00:50:08.000
Then we put a fan here, and the fan sucked the air and pushed it in the tunnel, and we made a ventilation system in the pyramids.
00:50:22.000
Discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were placed?
00:50:36.000
So there's like different levels and they all slid in together?
00:50:44.000
But now the most important, that I took the robot to the secondary chamber.
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That the tunnel in the first chamber are open outside.
00:51:01.000
Then we took the robot to the northern tunnel of the queen chamber.
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After 60 feet, the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending to the left and the German robot could not bend.
00:51:22.000
The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door with two cover handles.
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Now, I began to think, how can I find out what's behind this door?
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In 2002, I was chosen By the National Geographic as explorer in residence.
00:51:56.000
With them, with us, was Bill Billard, who found Titanic.
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I told them, I need you to design a robot for me.
00:52:09.000
And they did make a robot, and they called it Pyramid Rover.
00:52:17.000
We took the Pyramid Rover, and the robot went in the south tunnel, and the robot had a drilling on his hand.
00:52:26.000
The robot opened one hole, one centimeter and one millimeter, and sent an optic camera through this hole.
00:52:38.000
We found, after 21 centimeters of this door, a second one.
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And the second one, Has an iggy shaped like that.
00:52:53.000
Then after that, we went to the northern tunnel that was bending.
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We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet.
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And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery.
00:53:08.000
At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door.
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With two cover handles in the same distance of this one.
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Now, I spent most of my life from 2002 until 2024, last year.
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Number one, I found out above the King of Chamber, a big void.
00:54:13.000
Behind the northern tunnel, another small void.
00:54:18.000
Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions.
00:54:24.000
So those are the only hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid, right?
00:55:16.000
Unfortunately, I don't have any free time, Zahi.
00:55:27.000
So this is the only pyramid, can I ask you, though?
00:55:31.000
Hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you've discovered, these are the only hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid, is that correct?
00:55:40.000
I told you, in the five chambers, now we have five names of the Genghis who built the pyramids.
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The hieroglyphic discovery or three months ago.
00:56:01.000
Isn't that fascinating that you've been studying the pyramids for so long and you're still finding things?
00:56:16.000
He did with me many live TV shows and he did with me Chasing Mummies.
00:56:31.000
I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid.
00:56:39.000
Why do you always feel like you're in battle with people?
00:56:50.000
But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things out.
00:56:53.000
You don't have to argue with people that aren't here.
00:57:19.000
You know, because when the Egyptians write inside...
00:57:24.000
The Five Chambers, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic.
00:57:33.000
And this hieratic, Joe, it's very difficult to read from outside.
00:57:48.000
On the right, on the right-hand side, it says hieratic.
00:58:00.000
Then, Joe, what we're going to do before the end of this year, we are going to show what's inside this void's life.
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These symbols to the far left that were right below Jamie's cursor.
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The one down means sish for a determinant of a scribe.
00:58:46.000
So, and then the other one on the hieratic, that's the cursive version of that.
00:58:57.000
I understand, but I think this is showing that, right?
00:59:00.000
But we, if you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read.
00:59:08.000
But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs.
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But the most important that we are going to show this life.
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Okay, so people don't even know, and you're going to show all this stuff live.
00:59:21.000
But the other thing, we have another team called ScanPyramids team.
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They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt.
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I am the scientific director who really, if they discover something, they come to me.
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You have the entrance that the people use now is the entrance that the Arabs opened.
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The team are using very sophisticated techniques like ultrasound, infrared.
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With these techniques, you do not need any more to drill.
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Then they came to me and they said, behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor.
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And they showed to me this corridor clear in the five techniques that they're using.
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And they sent an optic camera through the stones.
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And they found, I could look at the corridor, 30 feet long, 8 feet wide, topped with chevron shape.
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I think you can see that in the internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid.
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I did more work on the Third Pyramid with the same techniques and the Second Pyramid.
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And bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery.
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So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie.
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And do you have any idea, like, what the inside...
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And it's in that direction, so it's at a slope?
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We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu.
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It said that Khufu was staying in his palace, and he was very upset.
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He said, I'm searching for the secret of the God of wisdom.
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Then I can design my barrier chamber in the pyramid.
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He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back.
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And he knows the secret of the gattoth, the god of wisdom.
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He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy still alive?
01:03:21.000
No, this is what the son is telling his father.
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A lot of people can cut a guy's head off and put it back.
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They describe him as 100 years old, and he drink 1,000 beers, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And Kung Fu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off.
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He said, Jedi said, I cannot do it with a human being.
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He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone.
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And the head came back, and the goose was running in front of everyone.
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And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Gantoth to design my burial chamber.
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It will be in the hand of another people who will rule Egypt.
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So he wouldn't give him the secret because that secret won't just be in your hands.
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It'll get into other people's hands and it's dangerous.
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He told them, don't worry, your majesty, because you will rule and your sons and your grandson.
01:05:14.000
When God told Moses, when Moses met God and God told him to go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh, and God told him, remember, the Pharaohs are highly in magic.
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Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh.
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And you remember, when he heard the stick, and the stick became a snake, I think.
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And Moses brought more snakes to swallow what the Pharaoh did.
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Then we know from books, from Judaism from the beginning, that the ancient Egyptians were really highly in magic.
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Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they constructed the pyramids?
01:06:02.000
But if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head and put it back on and still alive, that's magic.
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So you believe that someone could take someone's head off, put it back on.
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He put the head on the other side of the room and made him come back together.
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He did it to a calf and a different animal also.
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Now, what I want to show you, that I'm not a person.
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Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that?
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And do you think a lot of this information is what was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria?
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Because they kept unbelievably detailed records, right?
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But still also, you know, because I will tell you, Hawaii would not have any evidence about Khufu.
01:07:29.000
The ancient Egyptians believed that a pharaoh should be a male.
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Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hate him.
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When he changed his cult to be a sun god, In the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples, the statues.
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The only statue of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza.
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Even in the temple of his sons, there were 23 statues.
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Well, I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of Kofu's pyramid.
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Well, one of the big ones that's come up very recently that I'm sure you're aware of is these satellite radar.
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Where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure.
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First of all, these two scholars from Italy, they have never been in Egypt.
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Number two, they published their article in a journal.
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This journal does not send their article to the freeze.
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I took these techniques that they used and I gave it to expertise.
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And they said, these techniques cannot show underneath a solid rock of almost 600 feet down.
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But do you know that they use this tomographic radar?
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They showed that it exists using the same technique?
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It's under the paper, signature, aperture, radar, Doppler tomography.
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And if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image.
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And this image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they got an accurate depiction of that from space.
01:10:49.000
But if they're showing, using these techniques, things that we know that you discovered that absolutely exist.
01:10:55.000
Now, these techniques, as I told you, Scientists said that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid.
01:11:06.000
The Ozeri shaft that they found was only 50 feet under the ground.
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Right, but it's showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate.
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What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys from Italy?
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They are not showing their techniques carefully.
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What do you mean they're not showing their techniques carefully?
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Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist.
01:11:37.000
I ask every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people who work with me, the ScanPyramid project, they say this is bullshit.
01:11:55.000
So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can...
01:12:06.000
See kilometers into the ground with this stuff.
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Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they have these discoveries?
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Would you be willing to talk to them if I can connect you to them?
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I'm just interested, if new technology becomes available and they figure out a way to look into the ground and you discover things, especially if they discover the Osiris shaft and it turns to actually be accurate.
01:12:47.000
Okay, you discovered it, but they use their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shaft.
01:13:06.000
But when they turn their equipment on the Osiris shaft, it shows the actual interior.
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But if it can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600 feet?
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What they published to a scientist and they said that's not true.
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But scientists are wrong all the time, particularly ones that are biased, correct?
01:13:38.000
Then what I did, I made a brief release explaining my point.
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And I said, my work of the second pyramid, that the base of the pyramid is 28 feet of solid rock.
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That anything can be happened in the solid rock.
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I think what they're saying is it's underneath the solid rock, correct?
01:14:05.000
And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine is not referred by scientists.
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And number three, the team that working in Giza with all these new techniques, they said, this is wrong.
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The team that's working in Giza with all these techniques, what do you mean?
01:14:35.000
But you understand this is different technology.
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I understand, but they know about this technology.
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They said this technology cannot work, cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all.
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But listen, if the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that's correct, right?
01:15:16.000
So I can see through the stone and see what they're showing repeated over and over again.
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But you can't see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic images showed, right?
01:15:44.000
If they're using this technology to go 50 feet under the ground...
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Why would you dismiss it if you haven't looked under there?
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Because I told you, it is not me who can dismiss this.
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This is the link to the original article, I believe.
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Due to the more penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid bodies, the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded.
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And then they had to come up with an experimental...
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It says experimental results are estimated by processing the SAR images into something else.
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Yeah, I don't understand the technology, but my question is...
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We know how spectacular just the base of it, the fact that it's carved into solid rock.
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Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist even below it?
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I told you I am not this type knows about the science.
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I consulted the team, the top in the world from Japan.
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And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid.
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Then what I am saying, if these techniques, that these two Italians are correct, the only people who really can tell you...
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It's correct or not, are the scan pyramid people, not me.
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But the scan pyramid people, aren't they using different technology?
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And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us.
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I will definitely try to connect you with those people because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Mirorescu have been in contact with those people.
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They don't know what's going on down there, but these images are repeated over and over and over again.
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Egypt to me is the fact that it's not just so much more advanced in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world, but that it's still to this day, like nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day.
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What was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people 4,500 years ago...
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Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt.
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But they also had to have the understanding of engineering and construction and design.
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To do this belief of the afterlife, to build the pyramid, as I told you.
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This was a national project of the whole nation.
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No, I understand it's a national project, but they have to acknowledge, right?
01:19:12.000
You can talk about this pyramid if it exists alone.
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When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually.
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There is no gap for anyone to think something different.
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But, I mean, it's all the Egyptians, obviously.
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Then, if you believe in that, I'm happy to hear this from you.
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Well, I just think whenever people say it's aliens, they're like, where's the proof of that?
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Just the statues, just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible symmetry.
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Since you are interested in Egypt, we would like to invite you to come to Egypt.
01:20:15.000
Okay, tell me when, and I will arrange everything for you.
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Now, you know, when I was young, I was met by the Edgar Cayce son.
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When he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father, you know about Edgar Cayce.
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He had a vision that there was a chamber underneath the Sphinx's paw.
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Underneath the right paw of the Sphinx, there is a chamber.
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And this is why I'm going to Virginia Beach to give a talk.
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One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach.
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Because when people began to tell me there is something inside these things, I really, as I told you, I have an open mind.
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They call it dream stela between the two balls of the Sphinx.
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There's actually a door in the top of the head.
01:21:49.000
Yeah, there's like a door on the top of it, right?
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That's why we have to cover it, because it will take rubbish and garbage.
01:22:23.000
Now, Edgar Cayce, he had this vision that there was some hall of information.
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By a French, his name is Monsieur Berets, and I do have photos of workmen inside the Sphinx.
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An article, a scientific article, I found in situ, in all the four tunnels of pottery, in situ, to prove that these tunnels were opened.
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On Dynasty 25, 500 BC, as in the late period, when the Egyptians saw the Sphinx, they thought there is something hidden underneath, and they dug, and they found nothing.
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Now, we come to the Edgar Cayce and what people believe, because we had John Antinous and we had many New Age people who believe there is something hidden underneath us.
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I said, how can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist, to drill?
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But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx.
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Then I brought a team from Kyrie University and we did drill 30 to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx everywhere.
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And I do have photos of everywhere under the Sphinx.
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The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock and there is nothing underneath.
01:24:35.000
What do you think about Robert Schock and his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx, that it's water erosion?
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When Schock said that, okay, we brought through the American Research Center a scientist from Louisville University.
01:25:08.000
It's a theory of a New Age guy who talked about this before, and John Anton West brought Schock.
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Then we gave this guy from Louisville University.
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He came to the Schinks, and he worked with us for a season.
01:25:29.000
And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water.
01:25:43.000
Now, what shock want to say that this is dated back 15,000 years ago?
01:25:53.000
If I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I would leave something.
01:25:59.000
Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the Sphinx.
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I found, live in Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, Roman.
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In this new age, people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small compared to the body.
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If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here.
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The Sphinx, and now this, and another part like this.
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Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three levels.
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Level one and two is very bad stones, can be seen to the chest of the Sphinx.
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Level three, they carved the head from level three.
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To represent the King Kephrin with the copra, the royal head Remus.
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Then what they did, they filled this hollow between the two sphinx pieces with stones.
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And they covered the whole body of the sphinx with stones.
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And they did the modeling of the loin body on the covering stones.
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So you think the head was made first, and then the body was made later.
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If that's the case, why is the body so much more eroded than the head?
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I told you, the body, it is a part of the bad stones.
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Because there's layers to it all and some of the layers are more dense.
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The only way is to cover the body of stones and do the modeling of the loin body on the covering stones.
01:28:34.000
So you were saying that these other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind.
01:28:46.000
John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and all these different people are trying to allude to is that perhaps there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are 2500 BC, those are even more recent than the older stuff.
01:29:13.000
Have you heard about, you know about the King's List, right?
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The old King's List that goes back 30,000 whatever years?
01:29:27.000
This is speculation from people who knows nothing about history.
01:29:33.000
There is nothing King's List dated back 30,000 years ago at all.
01:29:45.000
The first king list dated back to Dynasty V. Only.
01:29:50.000
I was reading that people were saying that it was myth.
01:29:53.000
That the king's list, even though there is like some hieroglyphics of ancient kings, that these are just mythical tales.
01:30:08.000
I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt for the last 57 years.
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In things like this, I am a person, give me a fact.
01:30:31.000
So in ancient Egyptians, Zeb Tepe refers to the first time or the first occasion.
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It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and civilization was in its infancy.
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This period is often associated with the beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures.
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I'm just saying this is something that's referred to.
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Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists.
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I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a philologist.
01:31:26.000
In all the myths, the world was said to emerge from an infinite lifeless sea when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Zeptepe.
01:31:38.000
Different myths attributed to the creation of different gods.
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Agdod, the contemplative deity Ptah, and the mysterious transcendent god Amun.
01:31:51.000
While describing these different cosmologies, completed to some extent in other ways they were complementary in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation.
01:32:05.000
That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before.
01:32:17.000
And any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the States here, you have universities in UCLA, and you have Berkeley, and you have John Hopkins, and you have every...
01:32:32.000
Every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology.
01:32:46.000
It's a speculation from people, but never in Egypt.
01:32:58.000
We know there is no gap in anything that can let some things like that.
01:33:05.000
And that's why I never heard of it, and I don't want to hear about it.
01:33:14.000
I believe on what's written in front of me, and I believe of a scene that I can see.
01:33:24.000
Tell me where is this found, and where it is, and who published it?
01:33:38.000
Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it and dismissed it before.
01:33:44.000
Because I think it's a part of the creation myth.
01:33:54.000
My mind, Joe, now is really cannot stand all these theories, all of it.
01:34:05.000
See if you can find anything on that, Jamie, where that myth came from.
01:34:22.000
Those people, I mean, when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have an Egyptology background.
01:34:36.000
We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion.
01:34:51.000
We base dating on the evidence that we discover.
01:34:54.000
Right, but some of it is based on carbon, right?
01:35:04.000
And that's why I believe, you know, when you discover something, if you discover a symmetry, there is two types of datings.
01:35:17.000
Means that in this symmetry, you have a name of a king and a date.
01:35:24.000
But if you discover another symmetry and has no dates, then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this symmetry and try to compare it with other dated symmetry.
01:35:51.000
I'm excavating also in the Valley of the Kings.
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And I discovered major important things that we can talk about.
01:36:10.000
And carbon date 14, people use it when there is no date.
01:36:15.000
But wait a minute, you use radar to date things?
01:36:27.000
Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor is based on evidence.
01:36:43.000
And you know, this city was chosen the most important discovery in the world of year 2021 because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization.
01:37:02.000
In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of King Amenhotep III, who was the father of Eknaton.
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Inside the city, we found many statues of his queen, Queen T. We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate the third set festival of Amenhotep III.
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Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king.
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It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic inscription, by many things.
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I'm skeptical about carbon dating because I think carbon dating is generally accepted as being accurate within a certain framework.
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And many people, very rare, used in Egypt because in Egypt mainly we have absolute chronology.
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Right, but I thought it was used in Egypt like to measure wood that was in mortar.
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No, that was an experiment to date the pyramid.
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You haven't seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great Pyramid?
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Like, if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid and you try to take Corporal 14, this piece of stone could be thousands of years in the quarry.
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How can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time of building the pyramid?
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That's the argument is that there is probably repairs done, right?
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Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored in any period of the Egyptian history.
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There is restoration that goes on even now, though, on the Sphinx, correct?
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It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years.
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Because the Sphinx, when I left, I was studying in the States.
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I came to take my doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania from 1980.
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From '80 to '87, some architects and archaeologists were really stupid.
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They began to restore the Sphinx, and they took all the casing stones of the Sphinx out, and they put modern stones, and they used cement.
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This restoration damaged completely the proportions of the Sphinx.
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A few months later, there was a stone was restored in the shoulder of the Sphinx, and it fell down.
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I tell you, it happened the first time in the Pharaonic period.
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You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelles.
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And the princes of the New Kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come to worship the Sphinx.
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And this story that I'm telling you is written...
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In a granite stela, it's called the dream stela, located now between the two paws of the Sphinx.
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In the stela, it say that Thutmose IV was a prince, and he came to have a nap beside the Sphinx.
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And the Sphinx came to him in a dream and told him, My son, if you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt.
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Then here he moved the sand, and he came to a temple.
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So the Sphinx was constructed long before then.
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This is why Herodotus, the father of history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the 5th century BC, he never talked about the Sphinx.
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Then when Thutmuth IV came, he took the sand away.
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And he found that the old kingdom casing blocks are falling down.
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He took this granite steel as a door and he wrote this story in it.
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But we found there is something politics in that story.
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And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that the god Horus of the horizon, it shows me to be the king of Egypt.
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When that stone, it fell down in 1988, a big fight happened between the head of Antiquities and the minister of Kershaw.
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When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things.
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And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the steep pyramid.
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In 14 years, I made major important conservation and restoration.
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And I tell people, why do I have to fight all the time about the age of the pyramid?
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We have to cooperate, all of us, to restore these monuments.
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And the most important thing for me always is conservation.
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And I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation.
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What do you think the arguments are that predate, that try to push the date back of the construction of the pyramids?
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I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock and there was another archaeologist.
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The other archaeologist was saying, if you're saying that something happened 10,000 years ago, where is the evidence of any civilization from 10,000 years ago?
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So Gobekli Tepe was buried over 11,000 years ago.
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Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey and it's more than 11,000 years old.
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The argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10,000 plus years ago.
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Gobekli Tepe gets discovered, known to be more than 11,000 years ago.
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Because now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of a spectacular construction 11,000 plus years ago.
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Look at the archaeologists in Turkey or in any civilization.
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Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted as being more than 11,000 years old.
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But the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction 10,000 years ago.
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Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is more than 11,000 years old, they know for sure that's not true.
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But now I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt.
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How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids?
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And we have the Old Stone Age, Middle Stone Age, Neolithic, when the Egyptians began to know about agriculture.
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And they began to live together in communities.
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When a king called Narmer, in Dynasty Zero, he began to make unification of the Upper and Lower Egypt.
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In a place called Abidas, they built huge mud brick tombs.
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And these tombs are created in a site called Abidas.
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You know, what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years, you think about that, how different just modern civilization was 500 years ago.
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500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today.
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We had no internal combustion engine, you know, no hardened steel, none of the things that we have.
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Now imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in 500 years in a different way, in construction with stone.
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That their advancements weren't like our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular, just in a different way.
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This is in Dynasty 1 and 2. On Dynasty 3 came a king called Zoser.
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Only two weeks ago, before I came, I made a major, important discovery in Egypt.
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I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zoser and his father and his queens and his children.
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In the shadow of the Stepiram, in the shadow of Zoser.
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And this really made me because I have been searching for the tomb of him hot up most of my life.
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But the area that I found this tomb, it was under.
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The workmen who work in the site, 100 years ago, they built houses in the site.
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But they never excavated what's underneath the houses.
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So modern houses and underneath there's an ancient tomb.
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Six months ago, we gave houses to these people in another area, and we demolished these houses.
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This discovery will be in today's show this week.
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Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in this area.
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What technology can you use to discover these underground caverns and chambers?
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What if these Italian guys are onto something and you can find more stuff?
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I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover.
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Jamie, Zepp Teppi, did you find anything about that?
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It's probably a long sludge through information to try to get to the root of it.
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But can we continue with how it happened until you have the pyramids?
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Then Imhotep came and he built the same mastaba.
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He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first time.
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In the pyramid text, they say that the Step Pyramid is a stairs that the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.
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And this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid?
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So, obviously, it's not nearly as sophisticated as the Great Pyramid.
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So, in 700 years, it just got way better at it.
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But listen, now, on Daraste 3, there is another pyramid was found.
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I found a pyramid, which is the end of Dynasty 3, of a king called Honi.
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Yeah, he started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called Maidoum.
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But for a reason we do not know, he left it unfinished.
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If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Gufu, it's exactly equal to the Great Pyramid.
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This is the first true pyramid, but people never go to the shore to look at this pyramid.
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Then you have in Dynasty four, the pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones.
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In Dynasty V and VI, there is no good quality of stones.
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In the Egyptian, made decrees on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs.
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Temples began to be decorated with scenes for the first time.
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Mud brick pyramid, but underneath maze corridors.
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In the new kingdom, they built, they came in the top of the Valley of the Kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings like King Tut and others underneath the pyramid.
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But listen, man, it's been fascinating talking to you, and I definitely am going to take you up on your offer.
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Send me that video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the wall.
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And they are the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip.
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And I would invite you for a good- How many days do you think I should go?
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Oh, here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing.
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Isn't there a water table under the pyramid that's like a million years old?
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This is the Osiris shaft that was full of water.
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Until he found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars.
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And this is the symbolic barrier of the God of Osiris.
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Because Giza Plateau was called in the new kingdom Per-Ozer-Nebrastau.
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Rastau means cemetery, but literally means the underground tunnels.
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Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid.
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And this one beast entered inside and swam in it.
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You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the younger people that pyramids were not built by aliens.
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I think super advanced culture, super advanced civilization.
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And I think the Library of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest disasters.
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Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens.
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When I talk to them that I'm coming to see you...
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I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing.
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There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars.
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So you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced construction.
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But the theory of planets containing intelligent life is...
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I have been debating Graham Hancock and Robert Bofall and John Antony West, and I told them.
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From the beginning, your theory will go with the wind.
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Right, but we're not talking about that theory.
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The Egyptians believed in the afterlife, and they made this great civilization.
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I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world.