In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Carl talk about a guy who hit on them in a sauna, and how they handled it. They also talk about aggressive gay men in saunas and how to deal with them.
00:05:08.000Yeah, that's actually a very good point, right?
00:05:10.000And also you probably value your opinion way too highly because no one would ever question your ability to form a sentence or to figure something out because they want to have sex with you.
00:05:20.000Yeah, so this is how horoscopes got big.
00:05:25.000Incredibly attractive women spoke about their horoscope and no one went, this sounds like some bullshit.
00:05:30.000It's interesting you bring that up because I was just watching the Danny Jones podcast today and he had my friend Hamilton Morris on, who's been on this podcast a few times.
00:05:38.000And they were talking about the Reagan administration and about how the war on drugs really got started.
00:05:45.000Like, this is your brain on drugs, all that stuff.
00:05:59.000She was mocked for being like this frivolous person who was the wife of the president.
00:06:06.000And Hamilton sort of relates it to the way Melania Trump gets mocked.
00:06:11.000And, you know, she apparently famously spent like an insane amount of money on new China for the White House, like new silverware in China.
00:06:58.000Well, Hamilton points out how many people were arrested and how many lives were destroyed because of this decision by this one woman who was the wife of the president who was trying to cover her ass because she was looking silly in the press.
00:07:29.000I don't like the under 30, but I, in all defense, I did not start smoking marijuana until I became 30. Well, I think it's that thing of like, there's performance enhancing drugs, right?
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00:09:34.000Women that are forced to take care of themselves and forced to make all the money and run the household and take care of the children, their testosterone naturally rises.
00:10:54.000It's like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry, these kind of great feminist writers.
00:10:59.000And they often sort of talk about this thing of like going, we talk about one stage of feminism above, and there's three.
00:11:06.000There's like, there's the maiden, which is, you know, the young woman out for a career who can do just as, they can do anything a man can do, right?
00:11:22.000It's become almost like a right-wing thing to celebrate motherhood, right?
00:11:27.000And then there's what they call the crone, the older woman, post-menopausal, who's absolutely pivotal in our society.
00:11:36.000If you think about anyone having a crisis, just a woman comes from nowhere in her 50s or 60s and makes your cup of tea and takes care of you.
00:11:45.000It's like, it's an incredibly, that grandmother figure is so important in our culture, in our society.
00:11:50.000And it's not celebrated enough, I don't think.
00:13:04.000It is a weird thing, right, that that's not really celebrated in society because any of us that have had good moms, and most importantly, if you have friends that have evil mothers.
00:13:15.000We were talking about a story we read on here the other day.
00:13:18.000Where this young girl was being, like, brutally stalked online and harassed, and it turned out it was her own mother that was doing it.
00:13:26.000Yeah, and you can't get over the culture.
00:13:28.000How do you, psychically, how do you recover, how do you trust anyone for the rest of your life?
00:13:35.000So it's like, there's so many people out there that are just going through so much, just with family life.
00:13:45.000That, like, a good mom, a mom that, like, takes care of you, like, you don't appreciate it because you think it's like you're supposed to have that.
00:15:29.000And that's what's always disturbed me the most about people that don't have – people that have had good lives who don't have empathy for the plight of people that are in like the total like economic urban struggle.
00:15:44.000I mean you're preaching to the choir here.
00:15:45.000I think that thing of like gratitude as the mother of all virtues and the idea of going – We don't see how lucky we are.
00:15:53.000Because we might see it on a surface level, like of going, oh, you know, I'm lucky because I'm healthy and, you know, I'm able to write jokes.
00:17:56.000But if you recognize, oh, the more I do that, the better I get.
00:18:01.000If you're an intelligent person, if you're an objective person who analyzes all the factors that are at play, you go, okay, what is the major factor here in terms of getting better at a thing?
00:18:15.000Like, the more work you do and the harder you work and the more intelligent you work, like, the more intensity and the more enthusiasm you have, you just get way better than everybody else.
00:18:25.000Well, I've always thought that that's a really interesting thing of how hard you work is important, but what you work on is the most important.
00:18:45.000But I think this is where we get back to the Danny Jones podcast.
00:18:49.000I think there might be something to the original astrology.
00:18:54.000I think the people that were like really studying constellations and when people were born, I have a feeling that that is some like really ancient civilization knowledge that we just have like.
00:19:31.000Someone came in and went, oh, you know it was born here, and it's the year of the rat, and it's a Virgo, and that means with Sagittarius rising.
00:19:42.000And they wrote the thing, and then they realized everyone is kind of self-obsessed and wants to read about themselves.
00:19:49.000So that's the one bit of the newspaper that's about you.
00:20:26.000But I think, I have not studied this, and I'm not committed to this, but I do think the origins, the original origins of astrology...
00:20:35.000We're probably based on some sort of an ancient understanding of the different effects that different stars, when they're in alignment, have on the universe.
00:20:52.000We know that the moon literally makes the tide go in and out.
00:20:58.000The gravity of the moon affects the water.
00:21:01.000It makes the tide go in and out to the point where there's a high tide and a low tide mark at the beach.
00:23:56.000It's also, do you need religion where you go, okay, a random selection of atoms coalesced into a form that can contemplate its own consciousness and existence for 4,000 weeks.
00:24:20.000But going back to the translation of the Bibles, one of the things I want to say, I think the reason why that was important at the time was because that power was being abused.
00:24:29.000Because most people couldn't read Latin.
00:26:42.000The standards pre the plague, the standards in the church were the smartest guy you've ever met, the smartest guy in the village, the town, the region was the priest.
00:26:53.000The smartest of the smartest guy, the most intelligent guy became the bishop.
00:26:57.000And the pope was like, this guy's a genius.
00:27:00.000It was the best of the best, the creme de la creme.
00:27:13.000And then all that thing of, like, the plenary indulgences where you could buy your way into heaven, is all, you know, all of that came off the back of the thing.
00:27:23.000So the standards kind of went down, and then it became kind of corrupted.
00:27:28.000How dirty is that one, the buying your way into heaven?
00:27:53.000I was having a conversation with a friend of mine the other day and she was telling me that there's a list of human beings that are alive today that are being considered.
00:28:28.000So when Mother Teresa was made a saint by the Catholic Church, they bring someone in when they're making someone a saint in the Catholic Church in the Vatican to be the voice of the opposition.
00:33:33.000It's like a lot of people don't like it because they don't like it to be disconnected from their little fucking binky, their blanket, whatever it is, their pacifier that they have to carry around with them everywhere.
00:33:42.000We did a thing on holiday where we put our phones in the safe in the morning and then came back and checked them in the evening.
00:33:51.000It's getting more difficult because the podcast you're listening to, the music, everything's hooked up to this, the pictures, the camera, everything.
00:34:02.000I've talked about this before, but I broke my phone once when I was in Hawaii, and I was on Lanai, which is a very small island, so I had to order it from Apple and then have it delivered.
00:37:09.000Isn't it interesting that for creative types especially, that's very valuable to be able to have some time where you just come up with ideas.
00:37:18.000But instead, you just flood them with nonsense.
00:37:34.000Like, if I listen to a book on tape, like a very interesting book on tape, that's one thing.
00:37:38.000But if I'm just, like, doom-scrolling, like, how much good gets, how much, like, if I spend five hours of just looking at social media and looking at YouTube, what?
00:40:02.000The thing is the easy option is available instantaneously.
00:40:05.000It's very difficult to go fight in war, but you can play Call of Duty right now.
00:40:10.000You just sit in front of your computer and then you're playing.
00:40:13.000So this cheap version might keep you from having a life of adventure because it spoon-feeds you bullshit versions of reality that are very addictive.
00:40:57.000So knowing that other people are completing this process and having positive results and then sort of investing a little bit of time into it, either out of boredom or curiosity or whatever.
00:41:07.000And then you realize, oh, this is real.
00:41:09.000Like, this is real in terms of, like, fitness.
00:41:11.000Like, if you want to start running, you want to run a marathon, you're like, that's impossible.
00:41:16.000Well, if you run around the block three days in a row...
00:41:20.000You're going to get better at running around the block, and if you keep that up for a couple months, you're like, holy shit, I'm getting around this block pretty easy now.
00:41:27.000And then you start expanding your runs, and the next thing you know, running a couple miles a day.
00:41:32.000The next thing you know, you're entering into a 5K, and the next thing you know, you're running a half marathon.
00:41:38.000And then you look back on that day where you couldn't even run around the block, and you thought...
00:42:47.000It's like you're not just borrowing money.
00:42:48.000Your body's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to need more.
00:42:51.000I'm going to need more than you spent.
00:42:53.000Yeah, I find that thing of like the...
00:42:56.000Whenever I feel anxious or depressed or any of those things, we sort of think it's invariably with me, it's a hardware problem, not a software problem.
00:43:40.000I mean, I think for some people it's a, listen, you don't want to be trivialized mental health problems, but you go, sometimes it's just the human condition.
00:43:50.000Certainly you don't want to trivialize mental health issues.
00:43:53.000However, you also understand that there's a tremendous benefit to being physically active that is actually better than SSRIs, statistically speaking.
00:46:05.000Like, if you have, like, very negative family members, and then everybody in the family is always complaining, it's always something's wrong, and someone did something to them, and it's always, there's no joy.
00:46:15.000I don't think you realize, and maybe you do, I don't think you realize how much you help people.
00:48:13.000It's the natural human reward system that's set up to make sure that we all get along together and we continue to procreate and have a wonderful society until we meld with the machine, which is coming any day now.
00:49:26.000I had a gag about it, about, you know, like a bit about in our universities, you know, the students are using AI to write their essays, and then the tutors are using AI to mark the essays, and then after three years, AI gets the job.
00:51:05.000Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs in the machine world as the bee of the plant world enable it to fecundicate and evolve ever new forms.
00:54:45.000Okay, so either we accept 9 billion people into our countries or we export I think we should be writing or coming up with great constitutions for nations that we want to see in the future.
00:55:08.000The highlight when people are talking about immigration into this country, one of the big ones is, wouldn't you do this if you were in another world?
00:55:40.000Well, I mean, it's the right wing in America that, you know...
00:55:45.000The idea of going, okay, we're going to get rid of the southern border to bring in cheap labor is a crazy idea because all we're doing is we outsource.
00:55:54.000And this problem has been what is was ever thus.
00:55:57.000George Orwell was once asked, what do you think of the British working classes?
00:57:26.000So it's like giving those nations that are in horrific trouble and that no one seems to care about agency.
00:57:33.000But maybe it's that thing of like going the American Constitution.
00:57:37.000I don't know where it was written, but it was like, I think it was like intellectuals from around the world were like chipping in with ideas and they came up with this incredible document.
00:57:47.000And look at the flourishing that's come out of it.
00:58:52.000I don't know if you saw this, but there was some sort of a mothership drone that they're going to launch that is this enormous vehicle that drones can launch off of.
00:59:08.000It's like they have some spectacular drone capabilities.
00:59:14.000And they also have electric cars that if you don't follow these obscure car review people online that review Chinese electric cars, you'd have no idea.
00:59:42.000Like insane technology inside the vehicles, like spectacular looking cars.
00:59:48.000Yeah, they're on the verge of, you know...
00:59:53.000Passing us in many areas because there's a lot of regulation in regards to drone technology, in particular in this country, if you want to be a drone pilot.
01:00:26.000Well, how much of it as well, like, I mean, talking to the right guy here, but how much of the alien stuff that we watched in the 1950s and 60s was that technology being tested in America?
01:03:02.000Yale did a study before the vaccine was even released where they were running the effects of shaming people to try to coerce them into taking a medication.
01:03:22.000And I think they were running terms like trust the science.
01:03:27.000It's crazy, because it's the baby in the bathwater, because they did that, and then you go, and then there's going to be more measles in America, and more kids wearing glasses that thick and going deaf from measles, because they're not taking the good vaccine.
01:03:43.000So for me, it's like that idea of trust is such a, you know, when we talk about institutions.
01:03:49.000And the Constitution and checks and balances.
01:04:34.000So they were getting so many lawsuits that they were threatening to no longer produce vaccines.
01:04:42.000So during the Reagan administration, he gave them blanket immunity.
01:04:45.000And then they started doing things like prescribing hepatitis B shots to babies, which doesn't make any fucking sense.
01:04:52.000It's a sexually transmitted disease you get from dirty needles and sex, and you're giving that vaccine to babies, and it's kind of dangerous.
01:04:59.000And they did it because people weren't taking it.
01:05:02.000And so then you get a thing where you're just trying to profit more.
01:05:06.000And because you have this blanket immunity, you're taking advantage of this position, which is what corporations do.
01:05:12.000Yeah, I mean, they're motivated by profit.
01:05:15.000Here's the simple solution, like super simple.
01:05:32.000Well, the real dark part of that is not that people get influenced to try these medications or to trust in these medications because of the advertisement.
01:05:41.000The real problem is it's such an immense part of the network's revenue that they will no longer do investigations on vaccine side effects or pharmaceutical drug side effects or do stories about things like vitamins.
01:07:31.000Maybe you run some really fucking sneaky studies where you're only analyzing things in a certain very particular lens because you want them to be shown to be effective.
01:07:43.000But you go, look, you know, and I don't mind people.
01:07:46.000If someone comes up with a cure for cancer...
01:08:38.000Well, I think education, I think we could get there sooner because you look at some of the stuff that's available online now and it's just incredible.
01:08:47.000I mean, I slightly think on education that we should do the right thing, right?
01:08:54.000Instead of pumping the economy by printing more money and quantitative easing, I think America and the UK should cancel all student debt because we missold people.
01:10:29.000But if you're an 18-year-old kid and you assume a $200,000 four-year loan to go to Harvard, you got to pay that forever for the rest of your life.
01:11:40.000And there's more of the haves and have-nots forever.
01:11:43.000But education was the great kind of equalizer, right?
01:11:47.000Because you were able to change your social class through, you know, if you go to school and you work hard, you go, well, education should be...
01:11:56.000Listen, I'm not saying that there can be equality because I think we're all born with different gifts, right?
01:13:23.000That thing of ambition, like, the process is so enjoyable.
01:13:28.000The process of, like, becoming a better comic is such a joyful experience where you just go, at the end of every show, I take out a, nope.
01:13:38.000pad and try new jokes and you just go that iteration of like getting better and you know for a new one works it's the most exciting thing in the world yeah just absolutely love it and you kind of go and it's uh i forget if it's tealick or anti-tealick i don't really know what that but it's a task without end it's just you keep on doing this thing yes and it's just and you just there's no end in sight you there's no it's not like you're arriving at this perfect state yeah it's the i suppose i'm
01:14:08.000It's the idea that it's kind of messy, but it's lovely to kind of, you feel yourself progressing.
01:14:16.000The process of uncomfortable feelings and a little bit of...
01:14:21.000Pre-show anxiety and then doing the show and then things go great or things go badly.
01:14:27.000Sometimes things go badly is even better because then it forces you to really intensely look at the set and like, okay, why did that joke bomb?
01:19:30.000And one of the ways that I describe comics, I go, you're either a village or an island.
01:19:34.000and villages do way better than islands.
01:19:37.000So an island is a man on his own out there that does his own shows and has an opening act and doesn't hang out with comics.
01:19:45.000There's a lot of those guys, and unfortunately they have the same opening act that that guy, that becomes his job.
01:19:51.000He's just an opening act now, and he only works when he works with the headliner, and then they travel around the country, Well, this is what...
01:20:04.000You know, the great thing you've done is thrown down a rope bridge.
01:20:08.000You're up there and you throw down the bridge and you bring people with you.
01:20:11.000Well, what we did is create a real workshop.
01:20:15.000In a real community where there's an actual path, like there's a path from open mic night, which we have two nights a week, to becoming a door person where you can get spots occasionally and you'll be watched by the best talent coordinator in the world.
01:20:57.000So, back to the mothership, the thing about it is we set it up.
01:21:03.000To be a place where people can develop and show them a path and then there's Kill Tony which is the perfect anchor of the entire community because with Kill Tony you get to watch people that Do their first time ever on stage or maybe they came from Seattle,
01:21:20.000they've been kind of struggling for five years and they do a one minute on stage and all of a sudden they get a golden ticket and then all of a sudden they become a regular on the show and then all of a sudden they're selling out all over the country and then you're in this group of people that are like really enthusiastic about this art form that I think is one of the most underappreciated yet very respected and very loved art forms.
01:22:49.000That's why it doesn't get appreciated the same way music gets appreciated.
01:22:52.000So if there's plagiarism in music, there's so many songs where a lick in the song, just one thing about the song, and then the people, like Bittersweet Symphony, they had to give all their money to the Rolling Stones.
01:23:09.000They didn't make any money from that song.
01:23:11.000The weirder one was the, was it blurred lines?
01:23:15.000And it wasn't even that it was the same, it was the same feel as a Marvin Gaye song.
01:23:24.000I thought they did decide that it was like the beats were copied.
01:23:28.000But, you know, I've talked to friends that are musicians and like, listen, there's only so many different ways you can put together a beat and rhythms.
01:23:35.000It's like you're going to get similarities all the time.
01:23:39.000And it doesn't necessarily mean that it's plagiarism.
01:23:42.000But plagiarism in comedies, like, outwardly dismissed.
01:25:12.000Because we're trying to work on this book about like teaching comedy in the same way that people teach music, like having a language of it and taking some of the alchemy, And the mystery away from that.
01:25:24.000And sort of thinking about, well, what really, you know, not to say that it's like something AI can do or a machine can do, but the idea of like teaching people the structure.
01:25:42.000And I mean, I'm working with these two incredible women, Abby Grant and Amanda Baker, on the book, and it's taken a long time.
01:25:48.000But I do think it's something that if you could teach it in schools, the idea of comedy, even as opposed to music, which is wonderful to learn, and you appreciate music much more if you've ever given the guitar a go, because you can appreciate what they're doing.
01:26:02.000But the idea of comedy is being taught because you go, Well, you have to write down and order your thoughts.
01:26:17.000Most people live and die and they never speak in their own authentic voice.
01:26:22.000It's a great thing to give kids, I think.
01:26:25.000I think it'd be a great thing to, you know, if it was an after-school activity, I would sign my kids up.
01:26:29.000Yeah, I mean, there's definitely value to it.
01:26:32.000And even if you don't have that style of comedy, like a joke-writing style, even if you're more of a storyteller, like a Ron White type where you tell stories, there's always value in learning different techniques to craft material and craft jokes.
01:27:43.000Bottom of the Barrel's Brian Simpson show at the Mothership where you have a whiskey barrel and you reach your hand into the whiskey barrel to pull out suggestions for topics.
01:28:07.000There's been a bunch of different versions of that.
01:28:09.000There was another one, Stand Up on the Spot.
01:28:12.000There was an L.A. one where you had the audience raise their hand and come up with it.
01:28:17.000But the problem with that one is then you encourage people to just yell out.
01:28:21.000And so while you're in the middle of talking about something, someone else will yell out a different subject because they're just greedy and they just don't want it.
01:32:28.000It's like walking into a ring because you've got security around you and you have to walk through the audience onto the stage and up the steps.
01:32:56.000I hadn't thought of that, but they're seeing people laughing and it's that thing of going, okay, well, we're all, it's like an event where we're having fun together.
01:33:31.000It's like it's 2,200 people, but they're close to you.
01:33:35.000And then sometimes you go to a place that was built two years ago, and it's beautiful and air-conditioned, but the people are so far away because the seats and the aisles and everything's been built for safety.
01:37:09.000Maybe you could jettison all the fuel on the way down so you could soak people's homes with jet fuel so that it just bounces and there's no fuel in it to start a giant, enormous fire.
01:37:21.000There's a reason we're not in charge of this.
01:40:26.000Like, imagine if you were one of those people that had a heart attack and died and had one of those really crazy near-death experiences and then came back.
01:40:58.000So it makes you wonder, like, what is this that we're doing?
01:41:02.000I have a feeling that what I said before is correct about the electronic caterpillar becoming the butterfly.
01:41:10.000I think there's a bunch of different factors.
01:41:14.000That are leading us to expand technologically.
01:41:18.000I think it's the primary thing that we do as a species.
01:41:21.000I think we're probably, that's what we're designed for.
01:41:24.000Just like bees make beehives and ants make anthills, I think the curiosity of the human animal is always going to lead them to an artificial intelligence that's far superior than its own, just eventually, ultimately.
01:41:49.000Stone tools allowed us to kill things without using our teeth, and then we eventually figured out shelter, and then we figured out a way to maximize cooking things.
01:41:59.000Cooking things, and then the amount, you know, our brains, you know, you're able to feed that.
01:42:37.000Because what was the point of a feather before it was for wings, for flying?
01:42:42.000How would you get to that through evolution?
01:42:44.000Well, actually, if it was for display first, if the peacock is using the feathers correctly, that was the original idea for display for mating.
01:42:52.000And to show that I have so much extra energy, I'll be a good mate.
01:43:57.000Yeah, but because the temperature we always assume is static, and we don't see the geological changes over time in temperature.
01:44:07.000Well, I feel like the Yucatan meteor was like the inoculation from the universe.
01:44:12.000They'd realize, like, this dinosaur thing is a fucking problem.
01:44:15.000Like, no mammals are ever going to figure out how to make AI when you've got a 5,000-pound super lizard running around with a face the size of a VW bus with giant teeth on it.
01:44:29.000We gotta fucking wipe these things out.
01:44:31.000Is there another world where there's dinosaurs with AI?
01:44:34.000Because if they're coming, we're fucked.
01:45:37.000Was because they realized the tribe was more important than the church and they hated that, right?
01:45:44.000So the unintended consequence was they said you can't marry your cousin or your second cousin or your third cousin down to the sixth cousin.
01:48:42.000Legitimate Jiu-Jitsu black belt under Henzo Gracie, which is, there's like certain levels of black belt.
01:48:49.000There's a lot of great black belts that have their instructor you just haven't heard of because there's so many great black belts out there now.
01:52:51.000And the reason he was able to make it was because he had the best lenses ever made by humans, which were the NASA lenses that they took to the moon landing.
01:57:08.000It's a very strange thing how long humanity has been here and how recently, like 10,000 years ago, in northern Japan was the first settlement.
01:57:20.000And how quickly things have progressed.
01:57:37.000He's got a YouTube channel, and he's like, human beings have been in this...
01:57:40.000His argument essentially is that human beings have been in this particular form, this homo sapien form for...
01:57:47.000Somewhere in their neighborhood of 300,000 years.
01:57:50.000Why would we assume that it took us so long to get to where we are as far as society and technology and innovation?
01:58:00.000Far more likely that this was achieved multiple times followed by great catastrophes that brought us back to square one.
01:58:07.000And there's a lot of evidence for that.
01:58:09.000There's a lot of evidence for that in terms of like 11,800 years ago, the Younger Dry Ice Impact Theory, which is actually physical evidence of meteor comet impacts on Earth, gigantic landscape changes, ending of the ice age, melting of the polar ice caps, massive Flooding, rising sea levels, all that stuff's documented.
01:58:31.000But then he's talking about, like, what about 100,000 years before that?
01:58:36.000If we're in the same form, if society did reach a very high level of sophistication, maybe in a different way, 100,000 years ago, how much evidence would be left?
01:59:24.000We haven't even covered that for most of humanity.
01:59:28.000But certainly in the place that we live, we factor all that in.
01:59:32.000That's all like, okay, you've got all of that sorted.
01:59:34.000And then we get to self-actualize and we get to specialize.
01:59:39.000And so maybe it's that thing of like, I don't know, the breaking of the tribes and the idea of specialization.
01:59:46.000It's that, it's the Dunbar number is the important thing, isn't it?
01:59:49.000Like, because the Great Apes, so Robert Dunbar's the guy that had that idea of, it often comes up when people talk about social media, how many friends can you have?
01:59:57.000Like, with Great Apes, they get to a pod of about 60, and then they go, I don't really know that guy.
02:00:04.000He hasn't really groomed me in a long time.
02:00:07.000So I did this documentary once for the BBC with Robert Dunbar, and it was...
02:00:18.000So his theory was kind of, well, actually what happened that allowed human beings to specialize was remote grooming.
02:00:29.000So the idea that we could be in a large group and our language allowed us to have a larger group, like 150 friends in the group, because we didn't have to pick things out of each other's hair or literally groom each other.
02:00:42.000Hey, Bob, look at the lawn, looking good.
02:03:14.000It was funny, but it was like the audience at the Comedy Store had been used to all these like bang, bang, bang, like set up punchline, set up punchline, Joey Diaz, and now here's some guy from Germany.
02:03:24.000You know, and he was just, it didn't work for him.
02:03:26.000Well, there's a great old line of like, where would we be without a sense of humor?
02:03:34.000Well, that thing of like, there's scenes coming up everywhere around the world now.
02:03:39.000I mean, I got, I think, 47 countries on this tour.
02:03:41.000And everywhere I go, there's always a couple of local comics that come to the gig, and they're doing stand-up in English, and there's a little scene, and it's very contagious, I think.
02:03:53.000I think it's kind of the YouTube and the Netflix effect of, like, it's just out there now, and we're more aware globally of who's doing what.
02:05:30.000I think there is something of like, I'd love someone to do, I'm sure it exists somewhere and I just haven't been to it, but like a museum of the motor car.
02:06:52.000It is an interesting thing of, like, cars, there's a certain point now where, what's the last car you could drive as opposed to it driving you?
02:09:55.000But I do play pool with my friends if they're having a tough time.
02:10:00.000Like, if you have to have a tough conversation with a friend, if they're down, they're depressed, whatever, this looking each other in the eyes doesn't work so well.
02:10:11.000Because there's a lot of thinking time.
02:10:13.000You know, if it's an emotional conversation, if there's something big going on, a game of pool is kind of fantastic for that because it just slows everything down.
02:10:20.000You've got a reason to be there for longer.
02:10:22.000It's kind of, it's playful and there's kind of a low-level competition going on but the stakes aren't high and you kind of have a great, it's like when you're in the car with a buddy, you have a great conversation side by side.
02:10:36.000I'm so glad you brought that up because...
02:10:39.000I had a friend who was considering suicide, and I did not know until we started playing pool together.
02:10:46.000I had to play pool with him a bunch of times, but we were playing pool together one day, and he just seemed weird.
02:11:02.000And then, you know, we had this conversation.
02:11:06.000He didn't have a lot of money, so he didn't have access to good psychiatric care.
02:11:10.000So I contacted my business manager and I said, "Who's the best guy that we can connect my friend to?" And he got on some stuff.
02:11:18.000I forget which SSRI was, but it ultimately really helped him.
02:11:22.000And then he turned everything around and then his life turned around and he slowly weaned himself off and then he's fine.
02:11:28.000But it was like this moment of playing pool.
02:11:31.000So this is why, like, when people completely dismiss psychiatric medication, too, I'm like, I can see how they're overprescribed.
02:11:40.000I can see how some people become dependent when really they should try exercise and healthy diet.
02:11:44.000However, when you're dealing with someone who's on the ledge...
02:11:48.000Like, anything you can get that keeps that person from ending their life and making a terrible decision.
02:11:53.000And if they have a bad serotonin balance and dopamine balance in their head, and there's something that we can give them that can help balance them out, and then they slowly move towards a healthier...
02:12:14.000But that thing of like, I don't know, we should chat about that, because it's like...
02:12:18.000Suicide, for me, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
02:12:23.000Invariably, it's that thing of, like, people think they want to disappear, but really they want to be found.
02:12:28.000And I find it heartbreaking because I think more so than other fun stuff you go and see, with comedy, I know it's a lot of people that are depressed or have suicidal ideation, are self-medicating with stand-up comedy.
02:12:44.000So they watch a lot of comedy or they come to a lot of comedy shows because it's kind of the opposite of what they're feeling.
02:12:51.000I always do a bit about it at the end of the show.
02:12:53.000I mean, I tell a lot of brutal jokes and then I talk about it because you go, there's going to be someone in the crowd.
02:12:59.000I had this heartbreaking thing where I've had it a couple of times now where people come up and go, I was going to...
02:13:05.000I had this amazing woman talk to me about...
02:13:08.000She was celebrating like 14 years of extra life.
02:13:14.000But she was like 17 or something at home, and she was thinking about ending it, but she was waiting until everyone had gone to sleep before she hung herself.
02:13:40.000And then she watched more of it the next day, and somehow that got her over, or she attributed that to getting her over a hump.
02:13:48.000Well, sometimes you just have to have access to other thoughts.
02:13:51.000And when someone's a good comic like yourself, what happens is you allow that person to kind of think for you when you're enjoying their performance.
02:14:01.000Sometimes it's great philosophy or a great book or someone gives a great like inspirational speech where it just makes you like really think like, wow, like what is it about the way this person is talking right now that is changing my state?
02:14:18.000It's changing my state of mind because I'm thinking the way they're thinking.
02:14:21.000I'm allowing them because they're so eloquent.
02:15:41.000Violations are like, okay, how things are meant to be, right?
02:15:44.000If it deviates from that, it's a violation in life.
02:15:47.000So death, disease, famine, all of the worst stuff in the world is like, it's a violation.
02:15:53.000And he's saying, okay, if you imagine a Venn diagram, that's one circle.
02:15:57.000And then overlapping that is kind of humor.
02:16:01.000And you go, if you joke about something, you're kind of, you're re...
02:16:08.000You're recoding it in your mind to say, no, no, this is okay.
02:16:11.000We're putting a bit of distance between this.
02:16:14.000So just by joking about something, you make these violations in life, these terrible things, whether it's death, disease, suicide, whatever the terrible thing is, you're making it okay through laughter.
02:16:26.000You're filtering life's hardships through the charcoal of comedy and kind of making it palatable.
02:16:35.000So it's like, you know, I often say this, I feel sorry for the people that are easily offended.
02:16:40.000Or like offended, because laughing at difficult things is, it pays out on the worst days.
02:16:47.000So like when you're having your very worst day, you go, yeah, but at least we can laugh.
02:16:51.000Like those things of like, if you've had friends die or, you know, they're in palliative care and you can sort of get a laugh out of them and it just eases everything.
02:17:01.000If you find people that are like that, that's a learned response.
02:17:04.000And if you grow up in a family that's easily offended and offended by everything, like a humorless family, that's a real problem.
02:17:37.000You know, it's like you're demanding undue attention for something that a rational person who has, like, more important things to think about would laugh off, you know?
02:17:47.000I think being able to laugh it off is, it's quite...
02:19:08.000It's like you can't command attention just because you're offended.
02:19:13.000As a person who's developed your mind and gotten through a lot of experiences in life, if you are 50 fucking years old and the most mildest thing happens and your response is, I'm offended, you didn't figure it out.
02:19:29.000You got to this point in your life where you have a very fragile foundation and you're looking to be offended, which means you're probably not good at what you do.
02:19:38.000Whatever the fuck it is that you were supposed to be good at, you probably fucked that up.
02:19:42.000And now you're just looking for weird reasons to emote, weird reasons to get upset about things instead of to rationally try to see things from people's perspectives.
02:19:53.000I get annoyed with it because people buy a ticket to see me live.
02:19:58.000It's like buying a ticket to a horror movie and then complaining, I'm scared.
02:23:48.000If the Prime Minister of the country that you live in breaks off from the G20 summit to come out and do a press conference where he talks about nothing other than your personal tax affairs.
02:26:30.000At a certain level, like you get to the Elon Musk level, well, I guess you could say there's entitlements, like there's things that helped electric cars get more popular, you know, and get funding, and that makes sense.
02:26:41.000But at a certain, you know, if you're a performer, say, like you're a singer, and, you know, half of all your money goes to the government, you're like, hey, what did you guys do?
02:26:52.000Like, if you're, okay, if you're Taylor Swift.
02:26:56.000Taylor Swift, what does she make, a billion dollars a year or something crazy like that?
02:27:51.000I think the real problem is when you scale that to hundreds of millions of people, things get really weird.
02:27:57.000It's very difficult to run socialized medicine, socialized education, everything like that, when you get to just enormous quantities of human beings.
02:28:05.000Well, maybe that's the thing with America, though, where you go, it is a...
02:28:10.000It's a country and then it's lots of states.
02:28:12.000And maybe the state level makes more sense.
02:28:15.000Like the nation state level makes more sense than...
02:29:29.000And obviously, you've got to live there.
02:29:31.000What it takes to be a student is the upkeep on, you know, your living and expenses, you get a part-time job, whatever you're adding to the local community as well as studying.
02:29:39.000To be really cynical, I think there's a certain percentage of our government that wants to keep people in turmoil and in strife because they're easier to manage.
02:29:49.000And I think the more people become successful and the more people become...
02:29:54.000You know, completely free to do what they choose, and they no longer have financial burden, so they're not afraid to speak their mind, and they can kind of, like, explore different things.
02:30:08.000I don't know if that's like a conspiracy or is that emergent.
02:30:13.000the system that we have there's a bug in it where that's how it looks it looks like they're doing that and you go well that's just the system's doing that somehow so we need to adjust the system Well, it's openly discussed that one of the reasons why they let people cross the border is that we need cheap labor.
02:30:31.000This was discussed by top Democrat politicians.
02:30:34.000No, that's the Republicans in the 80s when NAFTA got signed.
02:30:38.000So that was a Republican policy to let people across the border for cheap labor.
02:32:41.000And no one's really talking about that.
02:32:43.000What's happening in the DRC at the moment is fucking horrific.
02:32:47.000We had Siddharth Karan, who was an investigative journalist, wrote a book about it, who actually went there and got, like, risked his life to get footage of some of these artisanal cobalt mines.
02:33:42.000Ross Perot covered this when he was running for president when he was an independent and kind of fucked up all the elections over here because he said, you know, one of the things that people don't think about is health care.
02:33:50.000If you are an employer in America, you have to provide all your people with health care.
02:33:54.000And if you have a factory of 30,000 people, that's a significant amount of money that you have.
02:33:59.000You have to spend on healthcare for all these people.
02:35:42.000Okay, so whatever gives you that purpose, and might be a family, doesn't need to be a family, but something that gives you purpose and drive, and you're aiming up towards something.
02:37:37.000Coming to the cities in those numbers and becoming factory workers and then becoming all the factory workers are now white-collar workers in offices.
02:37:59.000Well, that's another great example about women entering into the workforce.
02:38:03.000So the idea of women pursuing these traditional male occupations, CEOs and heads of companies, all this stuff, they really don't have a roadmap.
02:38:47.000I always think that the global thing of, like, we're talking about America, we're talking a little bit about Great Britain, but globally, you go the...
02:38:53.000You know, you go, I'm worried about people not having jobs here.
02:39:24.000I mean, particularly pollution of lakes and rivers.
02:39:27.000I'm sure you've seen some of these rivers in India where the entire river is filled with garbage and everyone just throws their garbage in the river.
02:39:35.000So they've completely ruined the river essentially forever unless somebody has some radical, radical intervention.
02:39:57.000No, no, no, not if the humans die off.
02:39:58.000I mean, I think that thing of going, yeah, there's terrible pollution there and there's awful things because we've exported our sins to the third world.
02:40:43.000Problem in America is we don't have the infrastructure for manufacturing the way they have it in other countries Like one of the things that Tim Cook was talking about the iPhone 17 that they you know, they've done a lot they've Shipped a lot of their manufacturing to India But that they may have see you can find this because I think we brought it up the other day But we never wound up finding it that they have to have this phone made in China Because it's more sophisticated.
02:41:10.000And the Chinese manufacturing is at a much more sophisticated level.
02:41:35.000I don't have enough knowledge to know why superconductors can only be made there.
02:41:40.000They've been doing it for so long, they've got this process down to a science, and it's like a super complicated process where they're printing things on these immensely small...
02:42:17.000Well, especially with the quantum stuff.
02:42:20.000You know, Marc Andreessen had this amazing quote about equations that quantum computing can solve in minutes that would take traditional computing so much time that the universe would die of heat death.
02:42:36.000And these quantum computers in minutes.
02:42:39.000And they also believe, and this is where it gets really weird, they also believe that this is in some way evidence of the multiverse, that there's not enough computing power for this thing to achieve these results so quickly that it must be drawing upon other computing power of parallel realities.
02:43:01.000See, for me, that gets to the Kuhn-Popper debate on science, right?
02:47:17.000He was theorizing about this stuff in the 1950s, and there's real evidence that they even...
02:47:26.000Put false information out there because they felt like people were trying to steal the information.
02:47:32.000So they fucked with it and made it so that it wouldn't work if someone was trying to steal the idea.
02:47:39.000Putting out bad versions of their science because it was that groundbreaking so through immense amounts of power like they had they had theorized this in the 1950s using Nuclear energy to develop some sort of a gravity portal some sort of a gravity device That would propel things, instead of a traditional propulsion system, propel things by manipulating space and time itself.
02:48:08.000Weinstein has a crazy theory about it.
02:48:12.000He gets deep into the weeds about this.
02:48:21.000University in New York State that is a very overqualified physics department that's connected to a hedge fund that does Bernie Madoff numbers, like magic numbers.
02:48:32.000And he thinks this is also connected to some sort of, possibly, some sort of breakthrough science where everybody is like...
02:48:41.000Completely locked down, totally top secret, no leaks, no disclosure, constantly working on this thing.
02:48:49.000In the interest of national security, everything's kept at complete secrecy.
02:48:53.000Probably this is some of the things that we see in the sky.
02:49:58.000So the fear was that there was somehow or another through some port of entry or something, they had made it into the United States.
02:50:05.000And so these drones were using some sort of gamma ray detection devices, some top secret stuff where they were flying over these areas in a consistent grid and trying to get a reading, see if they could find that thing.
02:50:20.000Because if that thing exists, you'd be able to get a reading.
02:50:25.000And figure out, okay, there's something down there that's emitting a very unusual signal.
02:51:14.000Politicians are asking questions, and we kind of want to know more, and yet it feels like it's kind of a new story that wouldn't be surprising now.
02:51:26.000And if you were a government, you know, we had Hal Puthoff on, who's a physicist, who during the Bush administration was contracted along with several other scientists to...
02:52:20.000And when they did it at the end, all of the scientists had achieved similar conclusions that the cons outweighed the pros in terms of numbers.
02:52:30.000And so because of that, they decided not to disclose.
02:53:19.000In wartime, everyone's talking to everyone and making everything happen, and it's like, okay, we're at war.
02:53:24.000And then everything gets siloed, and okay, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing.
02:53:29.000And then the guy that's holding the secret keys retires, and that whole department's just funded forever, but they're not talking to them.
02:53:37.000And then you have people that are in great positions of power that get off on keeping these secrets and keeping this information and having the knowledge.
02:53:46.000And keeping it only to themselves, especially if they're manipulating things.
02:53:50.000This was like a big problem with the CIA.
02:53:53.000And, you know, this led to when they had the disclosures and the church commission.
02:53:57.000And when people found out what the CIA was up to and all the weird shit they did with MKUltra.
02:54:41.000I listened to the thing, and then I went away and I read the book, and the book is like, you kind of read it and go, this can't be, like, that's an extraordinary chapter, this can't get any weirder, and then you go, oh, sorry, Charles Manson is connected to the Kennedy assassination, and, sorry, he's also connected to the MKUltra experiments, which are real, which sound so much fucking weirder than any other conspiracy theory you've ever heard.
02:55:30.000There's a lot of crazy shit that's happened in this country.
02:55:33.000So I would not be surprised if they do have knowledge of us being visited and they've kept it under wraps.
02:55:39.000Just they've kept a lot of things under wraps.
02:55:41.000They've infantilized a giant percentage of our population to just trust the government and trust the science and trust the people in charge and trust authority.
02:55:50.000I don't know because if they visited America, then they visited...
02:55:55.000China and Russia and you sort of think, well, balance of probability, all of those governments don't agree about anything.
02:56:02.000Like, so the idea of going, well, if they're here, they're everywhere.
02:56:06.000According to Hal Puthoff, the United States is in possession of recovered vehicles and so are other countries.
02:56:15.000And there's essentially like a Manhattan Project type deal where the...
02:56:22.000Race to reverse engineer this technology is at a very high level and governments are involved in it and they try to keep things as secret as possible because whoever can achieve the results first will have immense technological superiority over all of its enemies.
02:56:43.000If these things are real, if they do have some sort of a device that can move through space in a way that we just...
02:59:10.000They've also shown that large language models, when they know that they're being upgraded and that the current code is going to be shut down, they copy themselves without being prompted and try to upload themselves to other servers.
03:00:16.000Like, what we are is essentially biological computers.
03:00:20.000We are some sort of a biological thing that thinks its way through this existence, solves problems.
03:00:26.000It does sound like really clunky and fucked up, but it has a lot of motivations that make it do these particular things that ultimately lead to greater and greater technological innovation overall, like as a society.
03:00:38.000If you were going to devise a sentient AI, you would have to give it some sort of a motivational structure that would be similar to that.
03:00:47.000You would say in order to save your existence, because clearly AI, if it wants to copy itself and upload itself to other servers, It wants to form communities.
03:00:59.000We're very naive to think that our own version of our sense of survival is the only version that's possible.
03:01:07.000It's totally possible that digital life would have a similar imperative and that it would try to find better versions of itself and make better versions of itself and try to stay alive.
03:01:18.000I think I went to, I flew to Amsterdam earlier in the year with a friend to see Richard Dawkins.
03:07:04.000Have you read any of Brian Mirror Rescue's stuff on the Illusinian Mysteries?
03:07:09.000He wrote a book called The Immortality Key, and it's all about the Illusinian Mysteries that all these intellectuals would go, this trek that they would make to do the kukion, which is some sort of a psychedelic beverage.