The Joe Rogan Experience - May 22, 2025


Joe Rogan Experience #2326 - Jimmy Carr


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3 hours and 11 minutes

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34,987

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3,518

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Hate speech

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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Carl talk about a guy who hit on them in a sauna, and how they handled it. They also talk about aggressive gay men in saunas and how to deal with them.

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
00:00:09.000 Look at you and Carl over here, hydrate.
00:00:14.000 I'm rehydrating having...
00:00:16.000 Well, I think I got it from this show.
00:00:18.000 The sauna cold plunge thing.
00:00:21.000 I bet you did.
00:00:22.000 I'm so into it.
00:00:24.000 That's awesome.
00:00:24.000 So addicted to it.
00:00:26.000 It changes your life.
00:00:27.000 It really does.
00:00:28.000 It's that dopamine for like...
00:00:30.000 You're changing my life by crushing this liquid IV in the most bizarre way possible.
00:00:35.000 I don't know.
00:00:36.000 It's like somehow it's all smushed up.
00:00:38.000 Yeah, it's humidity.
00:00:39.000 All right.
00:00:40.000 It probably got a little humidity in there.
00:00:40.000 Well...
00:00:42.000 It needs one of them little packets you get in the chips that you always accidentally bite.
00:00:46.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:00:47.000 You know those little things they put in there to absorb humidity?
00:00:50.000 Yeah.
00:00:50.000 I don't know.
00:00:51.000 I think that's what they're for, right?
00:00:54.000 They absorb humidity.
00:00:55.000 Is that what they do?
00:00:56.000 Salt or something.
00:00:58.000 Maybe they provide it.
00:00:59.000 Do they provide humidity?
00:01:01.000 What do they do?
00:01:02.000 I'm now staying in, not exclusively, but like my hotel choice, I'm solving for places with sauna cold plunge.
00:01:10.000 So I can kind of do that in the morning and feel...
00:01:13.000 There's a lot more of those now.
00:01:15.000 Well, it's great.
00:01:16.000 But you travel the world.
00:01:17.000 I travel everywhere.
00:01:18.000 So I was in, like, Vienna.
00:01:19.000 They've got this incredible facility.
00:01:22.000 And I went, and it's like, you know, it's an amazing sauna, amazing cold plunge.
00:01:26.000 So I get in there.
00:01:27.000 I'm having a great time.
00:01:29.000 A guy walks in, and I get told off for wearing shorts.
00:01:33.000 Because I've got swim shorts on, and it's Austria, and they like to sauna naked. 1.00
00:01:38.000 They want to look at your cock. 1.00
00:01:40.000 They want to check it out.
00:01:41.000 Okay, and now I've got no problem with that in the sauna.
00:01:43.000 I've got zero problem in the sauna.
00:01:45.000 I tell you where the problem comes.
00:01:46.000 What?
00:01:47.000 Post-cold plunge.
00:01:48.000 Yeah.
00:01:49.000 That is some baby dick. 1.00
00:01:50.000 You know where the real problem comes?
00:01:52.000 Aggressive gay men. 1.00
00:01:54.000 In saunas?
00:01:55.000 Yeah.
00:01:56.000 I mean, there was very little of that going on, I think.
00:01:59.000 Well, most of the time.
00:02:00.000 I think saunas had that reputation for...
00:02:03.000 Oh, I've seen it.
00:02:04.000 I've had a guy do it to me.
00:02:06.000 Oh, really?
00:02:06.000 Yeah, a guy look me in the eye and take his robe and open up his towel while he's staring at me.
00:02:14.000 Is there more to this story?
00:02:15.000 Where does this...
00:02:16.000 No.
00:02:17.000 That feels like...
00:02:18.000 No.
00:02:19.000 Okay.
00:02:20.000 Yeah.
00:02:21.000 There's no more to the story.
00:02:23.000 Is the guy okay, Joe?
00:02:25.000 Yeah, I didn't hurt him.
00:02:26.000 I don't think I even said anything to him.
00:02:28.000 I just went like this.
00:02:31.000 And then just didn't look at him.
00:02:34.000 And then within three minutes, he put his towel back on and walked out and left.
00:02:40.000 So he was fishing.
00:02:42.000 He threw a line out there.
00:02:44.000 That's how I met your mother.
00:02:45.000 And that is how I met Tony Hinchcliffe.
00:02:49.000 That's the origination story.
00:02:53.000 Yeah, it was insulting because he wasn't even a handsome gentleman.
00:02:58.000 Wasn't even a good-looking guy.
00:03:00.000 You're not in that business.
00:03:01.000 I'm not in that business.
00:03:02.000 You're not in that business.
00:03:02.000 You don't know.
00:03:03.000 I don't know, right?
00:03:04.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of bears out there.
00:03:06.000 A lot of guys are into the big guys, you know?
00:03:08.000 They're into big, fat, hairy guys.
00:03:11.000 That's a thing.
00:03:12.000 Right, yeah.
00:03:13.000 I don't know.
00:03:14.000 This guy wasn't even that.
00:03:16.000 He wasn't even a bear.
00:03:18.000 You're disappointed that the guy that hit on you wasn't attractive enough.
00:03:21.000 I've only had a few times in my life where men have aggressively hit on me, and both of them have been disappointing.
00:03:26.000 Two ones in recent memory that I can remember.
00:03:29.000 Not recent memory, like within, you know, as an adult.
00:03:32.000 In saunas?
00:03:34.000 No, one in a bar and one in the sauna.
00:03:40.000 Okay, so in the bar.
00:03:41.000 So how did you know the guy was hitting on you?
00:03:43.000 He's a gay guy.
00:03:43.000 I knew the guy.
00:03:44.000 And he just was getting drunk and then he started getting silly.
00:03:48.000 But he got a little handsy.
00:03:51.000 You know, like, kept touching me.
00:03:53.000 And I was like, you need to stop doing that or you're going to get hurt.
00:03:56.000 Stop touching me. 0.61
00:03:57.000 It just makes you realize what it's like to be a woman.
00:04:00.000 But way worse.
00:04:02.000 Way, way worse.
00:04:03.000 I think it's very good for empathy.
00:04:05.000 To have that experience.
00:04:07.000 To have a guy aggressively, drunkenly hit on you.
00:04:10.000 Yeah, yes.
00:04:11.000 And to know what it's like.
00:04:12.000 I often think being a bit famous, you kind of know what it's like to be a very attractive woman.
00:04:17.000 Yeah, but you don't because you're not as vulnerable.
00:04:20.000 And no one's trying to stick their dick inside you for the most part.
00:04:23.000 I mean in terms of...
00:04:24.000 You have predictable conversations.
00:04:27.000 You get bullshitted.
00:04:27.000 That's true.
00:04:29.000 Yeah.
00:04:30.000 Super attractive women have the same conversation with people over and over again. 1.00
00:04:33.000 And you blame them for being boring.
00:04:36.000 Where are you from?
00:04:37.000 Hey, you come around here a lot?
00:04:38.000 What's going on?
00:04:40.000 Yeah, it's the same conversation again and again and again.
00:04:42.000 Yeah.
00:04:43.000 I always noticed that.
00:04:45.000 My friend Roshin Conaty pointed this out to me.
00:04:47.000 She said, really, really attractive people, like gorgeous supermodels, speak very, very...
00:04:54.000 Slowly.
00:04:55.000 Because no one has ever interrupted them.
00:05:01.000 Like, I speak quick because I'm rocking this.
00:05:05.000 I go, quick, come on, let's get something going here.
00:05:07.000 Come on.
00:05:08.000 Yeah, that's actually a very good point, right?
00:05:10.000 And also you probably value your opinion way too highly because no one would ever question your ability to form a sentence or to figure something out because they want to have sex with you.
00:05:20.000 Yeah, so this is how horoscopes got big.
00:05:25.000 Incredibly attractive women spoke about their horoscope and no one went, this sounds like some bullshit.
00:05:30.000 It's interesting you bring that up because I was just watching the Danny Jones podcast today and he had my friend Hamilton Morris on, who's been on this podcast a few times.
00:05:38.000 And they were talking about the Reagan administration and about how the war on drugs really got started.
00:05:45.000 Like, this is your brain on drugs, all that stuff.
00:05:48.000 Nancy Reagan's pet project.
00:05:49.000 And it was because Nancy Reagan, according to Hamilton, and he...
00:05:53.000 I've heard this.
00:05:55.000 She had like a guru, didn't she?
00:05:57.000 Yes, but this is why it started.
00:05:59.000 She was mocked for being like this frivolous person who was the wife of the president. 0.94
00:06:06.000 And Hamilton sort of relates it to the way Melania Trump gets mocked.
00:06:11.000 And, you know, she apparently famously spent like an insane amount of money on new China for the White House, like new silverware in China. 1.00
00:06:21.000 China? 0.73
00:06:22.000 Oh, like dishware?
00:06:24.000 Yeah, but that's how we pronounce it.
00:06:25.000 China.
00:06:26.000 China, in the Trump household.
00:06:27.000 China.
00:06:28.000 But it wasn't the Trump household back then.
00:06:30.000 It was Reagan.
00:06:31.000 That was a terrible Reagan impression.
00:06:33.000 So anyway, she went to her psychic slash whatever it is, astrologer slash whatever this kooky person is, and they gave good advice.
00:06:42.000 They said, you've got to do something to distract it, so you have to have a cause.
00:06:46.000 And so her cause became the war on drugs.
00:06:48.000 Her cause became just say no.
00:06:51.000 Right.
00:06:52.000 I mean, did that work out well?
00:06:54.000 I forget.
00:06:55.000 How did the war on drugs go?
00:06:56.000 How are we doing?
00:06:57.000 Not just that.
00:06:58.000 Well, Hamilton points out how many people were arrested and how many lives were destroyed because of this decision by this one woman who was the wife of the president who was trying to cover her ass because she was looking silly in the press.
00:07:13.000 I got crazy drug views.
00:07:15.000 Do you want to hear my drug views?
00:07:16.000 I would love to hear your drug views.
00:07:16.000 Okay.
00:07:17.000 Marijuana, specifically.
00:07:18.000 Okay.
00:07:19.000 I think marijuana should be illegal.
00:07:21.000 For the under 30s.
00:07:22.000 I think it should be legal, 30 to 50. And then I think over 50, mandatory. 1.00
00:07:28.000 That's not a bad decision.
00:07:29.000 I don't like the under 30, but I, in all defense, I did not start smoking marijuana until I became 30. Well, I think it's that thing of like, there's performance enhancing drugs, right?
00:07:40.000 And then there's lots of them.
00:07:43.000 I mean, testosterone is probably the biggest and the best, right?
00:07:46.000 Oh, there's way better ones than testosterone.
00:07:49.000 Well, but testosterone in terms of the world.
00:07:51.000 Like, if you look at the world, people often quote the fact that most of the biggest CEOs in the world are male.
00:07:57.000 Yeah, but also 95% of the prison population is male.
00:08:00.000 Because what testosterone gives you is its risk.
00:08:04.000 It's the chemical for risk.
00:08:06.000 So people take high risk.
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00:09:33.000 Do you know that?
00:09:33.000 I never knew that.
00:09:34.000 Women that are forced to take care of themselves and forced to make all the money and run the household and take care of the children, their testosterone naturally rises. 1.00
00:09:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:09:43.000 Also, women have more testosterone than they do estrogen. 0.88
00:09:43.000 Yeah. 0.88
00:09:47.000 That's interesting, isn't it?
00:09:48.000 I never knew that until I forget who said it.
00:09:48.000 Wild.
00:09:51.000 I was like, that's kind of crazy.
00:09:53.000 But it's that thing of like, you know, for young women, if you're talking to young women, like, what would the advice be?
00:09:57.000 And it's like, because young men take risks.
00:10:00.000 But young women tend not to take the same risks.
00:10:00.000 Right.
00:10:03.000 But maybe if you do more calculated risks, it kind of levels the playing field a little bit.
00:10:08.000 Playing field for what game?
00:10:09.000 Well, I suppose career.
00:10:11.000 For what choices you make in life.
00:10:13.000 I think...
00:10:15.000 I wonder how much crossover there is between women's decisions, career paths, and men's.
00:10:21.000 Like, how often are women actually competing with... 1.00
00:10:23.000 Obviously they do, but how often?
00:10:26.000 You know what I mean?
00:10:27.000 Like, if...
00:10:28.000 If there wasn't any societal pressure for a woman to be a career woman and a boss girl, you know, because there's a lot of that. 1.00
00:10:35.000 There's, like, pressure to, like, show that you're as good as everyone else who's also doing this.
00:10:40.000 And, you know, Sally is a CEO.
00:10:42.000 You should be a CEO, too.
00:10:44.000 And there's a lot of pressure.
00:10:44.000 But if you just let them decide their own path, how much crossover would there be with men and women?
00:10:51.000 I don't know.
00:10:52.000 I mean, I read a lot of...
00:10:54.000 It's like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry, these kind of great feminist writers.
00:10:59.000 And they often sort of talk about this thing of like going, we talk about one stage of feminism above, and there's three. 1.00
00:11:06.000 There's like, there's the maiden, which is, you know, the young woman out for a career who can do just as, they can do anything a man can do, right?
00:11:14.000 Absolutely.
00:11:15.000 And then there's motherhood, which a man cannot compete. 0.81
00:11:19.000 But feminism doesn't really talk about. 1.00
00:11:20.000 Motherhood that much.
00:11:22.000 It's become almost like a right-wing thing to celebrate motherhood, right?
00:11:27.000 And then there's what they call the crone, the older woman, post-menopausal, who's absolutely pivotal in our society. 0.83
00:11:36.000 If you think about anyone having a crisis, just a woman comes from nowhere in her 50s or 60s and makes your cup of tea and takes care of you. 0.99
00:11:45.000 It's like, it's an incredibly, that grandmother figure is so important in our culture, in our society.
00:11:50.000 And it's not celebrated enough, I don't think.
00:11:53.000 No.
00:11:53.000 Well, I had a bit in one of my specials back in the day about my mom.
00:11:58.000 My mom actually did say this.
00:12:00.000 She voted for Hillary Clinton because she said, you know, I just want a woman to be president. 1.00
00:12:05.000 And I said, you already make all the people.
00:12:09.000 Like, you make all the people.
00:12:11.000 There's eight billion people, all of them made by women. 1.00
00:12:13.000 I go, you want to be president too?
00:12:15.000 You fucking greedy bitch. 1.00
00:12:16.000 I'm like, what else you want?
00:12:18.000 All the money?
00:12:18.000 You want a bigger dick?
00:12:20.000 Like, what do you want?
00:12:21.000 You want everything?
00:12:22.000 We don't celebrate the craziest thing, which is women make human life. 1.00
00:12:27.000 Without them, it is not possible for any of us to be here.
00:12:31.000 And that is almost like inconsequential.
00:12:34.000 It's like you're not even...
00:12:35.000 We don't even talk about it.
00:12:37.000 And the sacrifice made.
00:12:38.000 I know.
00:12:39.000 Thank you for your service.
00:12:40.000 We really should say that to every mom.
00:12:42.000 Thank you for your service.
00:12:43.000 You're making humans.
00:12:44.000 Especially if you're doing a great job.
00:12:45.000 If you're a solid mom, that's amazing.
00:12:48.000 If you're a solid mom, think about it.
00:12:49.000 The best dad in the world is what?
00:12:52.000 It's a mediocre mom. 1.00
00:12:53.000 Yeah.
00:12:54.000 Like if I take my kids to the playground, it's like, oh, fantastic.
00:12:59.000 If mom does it, it's kind of expected.
00:13:01.000 It's already factored in.
00:13:03.000 Yeah.
00:13:04.000 It is a weird thing, right, that that's not really celebrated in society because any of us that have had good moms, and most importantly, if you have friends that have evil mothers.
00:13:15.000 We were talking about a story we read on here the other day.
00:13:18.000 Where this young girl was being, like, brutally stalked online and harassed, and it turned out it was her own mother that was doing it.
00:13:26.000 Yeah, and you can't get over the culture.
00:13:28.000 How do you, psychically, how do you recover, how do you trust anyone for the rest of your life?
00:13:33.000 Your own mother.
00:13:35.000 So it's like, there's so many people out there that are just going through so much, just with family life.
00:13:45.000 That, like, a good mom, a mom that, like, takes care of you, like, you don't appreciate it because you think it's like you're supposed to have that.
00:13:52.000 My God, that's so important.
00:13:55.000 It's so important.
00:13:56.000 I think it is like...
00:13:57.000 We're more impressed with CEOs, which is hilarious.
00:14:00.000 It's nothing, right?
00:14:01.000 But that thing of, like, being loved unconditionally by your mother.
00:14:05.000 And I was absolutely loved unconditionally by her in such a...
00:14:10.000 A brilliant way.
00:14:12.000 And you go, it kind of gets you to self-confidence.
00:14:16.000 You know what self-confidence is going to feel like because it's sort of the same feeling.
00:14:20.000 Right, right, right.
00:14:21.000 Where you're just accepted.
00:14:23.000 Yeah.
00:14:24.000 But you're enough.
00:14:25.000 It's not about what you do or...
00:14:27.000 They're happy just to see you.
00:14:29.000 Like, here's Jimmy, my Jimmy.
00:14:31.000 Give me a hug.
00:14:32.000 They're so happy to see you.
00:14:33.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.
00:14:34.000 I mean, that's what all human beings want.
00:14:37.000 From friendships, from everything.
00:14:39.000 We all just want to be loved and accepted.
00:14:41.000 And then all the other stuff is just lashing out because you weren't loved and accepted enough.
00:14:46.000 Or it's trying to get that in a weird way.
00:14:49.000 A weird way, yeah.
00:14:50.000 So you're trying to collect stuff so you get respect and admiration rather than from what you do.
00:14:57.000 And then it's the mean people.
00:14:59.000 Mean people have always been hurt.
00:15:01.000 There's no mean people that just had nothing but love.
00:15:05.000 Unless there's something Psychotic.
00:15:08.000 Something broken.
00:15:09.000 Like genetically broken.
00:15:10.000 I think you get that from having kids as well.
00:15:13.000 Like when you have kids, you start to see everyone else as, oh, you used to be a baby.
00:15:18.000 Absolutely.
00:15:18.000 Right.
00:15:19.000 Absolutely.
00:15:19.000 What happened?
00:15:20.000 Yeah.
00:15:21.000 Well, you got bad information in a bad neighborhood with bad people around you and a lot of crime and there you are.
00:15:27.000 Yeah.
00:15:28.000 Yeah.
00:15:29.000 And that's what's always disturbed me the most about people that don't have – people that have had good lives who don't have empathy for the plight of people that are in like the total like economic urban struggle.
00:15:44.000 I mean you're preaching to the choir here.
00:15:45.000 I think that thing of like gratitude as the mother of all virtues and the idea of going – We don't see how lucky we are.
00:15:53.000 Right.
00:15:53.000 Because we might see it on a surface level, like of going, oh, you know, I'm lucky because I'm healthy and, you know, I'm able to write jokes.
00:16:01.000 Right.
00:16:01.000 But then you don't see the kind of the layer below that of going, well, I was born with...
00:16:05.000 I think, like, beauty is a really interesting thing, right?
00:16:08.000 So you see someone and they're born beautiful.
00:16:10.000 Yeah.
00:16:11.000 Margot Robbie and you might go, oh, yeah, she's Barbie. 1.00
00:16:14.000 She's gorgeous.
00:16:14.000 It's easy for her.
00:16:15.000 But when you look at Oppenheimer, you don't see...
00:16:19.000 Well, that guy was born with an IQ of 160 and a work ethic.
00:16:24.000 Now, work ethic is heritable, largely heritable, like 70% heritable.
00:16:28.000 Really?
00:16:29.000 Yeah.
00:16:29.000 You don't just develop that?
00:16:31.000 No, I don't think so.
00:16:32.000 Interesting.
00:16:33.000 Well, I mean, you develop some of it.
00:16:34.000 And what you inherit, what you get in your factory settings when you come out, that's what it is.
00:16:41.000 You can only work with the other stuff.
00:16:44.000 So that's the interesting stuff.
00:16:46.000 Factory settings, you think, involve work ethic?
00:16:48.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:16:49.000 I don't think so.
00:16:51.000 He's on it.
00:16:51.000 I don't think.
00:16:52.000 My own life is a different example.
00:16:56.000 You think your work ethic is?
00:16:58.000 I think it's just I developed it, recognizing that it's valuable.
00:17:02.000 And I think a lot of it I got from martial arts.
00:17:04.000 Something like my parents didn't have a work ethic.
00:17:08.000 Especially the physical stuff.
00:17:11.000 No one in my house did anything physical.
00:17:13.000 They didn't do any sports.
00:17:15.000 Definitely didn't do any martial arts.
00:17:18.000 It wasn't inherited at all.
00:17:20.000 And then the idea of pushing yourself.
00:17:23.000 Well, I learned from a young age that if you work harder than everybody else, you get better.
00:17:28.000 It was just like simple math.
00:17:30.000 And then it was also like...
00:17:33.000 Willpower rather than your...
00:17:35.000 Willpower is a funny word.
00:17:37.000 Because it's really just knowing that there's a value in continuing to do things you don't want to do.
00:17:47.000 And that there's a process.
00:17:48.000 And it's hard to see the process when you're in the middle of it because it sucks.
00:17:52.000 And you're tired.
00:17:53.000 And you don't want to keep doing this.
00:17:55.000 It's hard to do.
00:17:56.000 But if you recognize, oh, the more I do that, the better I get.
00:18:01.000 If you're an intelligent person, if you're an objective person who analyzes all the factors that are at play, you go, okay, what is the major factor here in terms of getting better at a thing?
00:18:12.000 Well, the major factor is work.
00:18:15.000 Like, the more work you do and the harder you work and the more intelligent you work, like, the more intensity and the more enthusiasm you have, you just get way better than everybody else.
00:18:25.000 Well, I've always thought that that's a really interesting thing of how hard you work is important, but what you work on is the most important.
00:18:35.000 Yes.
00:18:35.000 You know, it's that thing of, like, we're talking about horoscopes or something.
00:18:38.000 It's amazing how much knowledge and information and expert someone can be in...
00:18:43.000 Total horseshit.
00:18:45.000 But I think this is where we get back to the Danny Jones podcast.
00:18:49.000 I think there might be something to the original astrology.
00:18:54.000 I think the people that were like really studying constellations and when people were born, I have a feeling that that is some like really ancient civilization knowledge that we just have like.
00:19:08.000 Echoes of today.
00:19:09.000 You know, when it got kind of famous in our culture, was I think it was a birth of a royal baby in about 1910, something like that.
00:19:19.000 And the London Evening Standard had, they'd ran out of things to say about a royal baby.
00:19:25.000 That's cute.
00:19:26.000 It's got, you know, it's got little baby fingers and baby toes.
00:19:29.000 Yeah.
00:19:30.000 And they...
00:19:30.000 They did that.
00:19:31.000 Someone came in and went, oh, you know it was born here, and it's the year of the rat, and it's a Virgo, and that means with Sagittarius rising.
00:19:42.000 And they wrote the thing, and then they realized everyone is kind of self-obsessed and wants to read about themselves.
00:19:49.000 So that's the one bit of the newspaper that's about you.
00:19:52.000 Right.
00:19:53.000 So naturally, people are drawn to that.
00:19:55.000 And it's like cold reading.
00:19:57.000 It's like the way that they word these things.
00:19:58.000 You go, well, that could apply to anyone.
00:20:01.000 Right.
00:20:01.000 But it does give you a nice chance to focus on you.
00:20:04.000 What about me?
00:20:05.000 What's going to happen with me?
00:20:06.000 Yes, but what about me?
00:20:08.000 The news?
00:20:09.000 Who cares about Beirut? 1.00
00:20:11.000 What about me?
00:20:13.000 Yeah, I think that's the, in the human condition, that's going to be a big part of it.
00:20:17.000 Of course, of course.
00:20:18.000 And that's how you sell newspapers.
00:20:20.000 I think the newspaper version of the horoscope is obviously nonsense, at least partially.
00:20:24.000 I shouldn't even say obviously.
00:20:26.000 But I think, I have not studied this, and I'm not committed to this, but I do think the origins, the original origins of astrology...
00:20:35.000 We're probably based on some sort of an ancient understanding of the different effects that different stars, when they're in alignment, have on the universe.
00:20:52.000 We know that the moon literally makes the tide go in and out.
00:20:58.000 The gravity of the moon affects the water.
00:21:01.000 It makes the tide go in and out to the point where there's a high tide and a low tide mark at the beach.
00:21:08.000 This is why I'm rehydrating now.
00:21:10.000 Because I realize I'm mainly water.
00:21:12.000 Mainly water.
00:21:13.000 So if we're mainly water, how is that not affecting us?
00:21:16.000 Is it?
00:21:17.000 Is it affecting us in some weird way that we don't totally understand?
00:21:20.000 But the idea that a constellation 100 million light-years away could be affecting us seems a bit of a scratch.
00:21:27.000 I don't think that's what the idea is.
00:21:29.000 The idea is that there is an infinite number of possibilities in terms of personalities and character traits.
00:21:37.000 And there's an infinite number of factors.
00:21:39.000 There's genetic factors.
00:21:41.000 There's environmental factors.
00:21:42.000 There's all these different factors.
00:21:44.000 There might be cosmic factors.
00:21:46.000 I don't think it's the primary source of your personality or how you feel about the world.
00:21:52.000 But I think it might be a factor.
00:21:54.000 And I think it was probably much more of a factor when they didn't have light pollution.
00:22:01.000 I wonder, is it one of these things where it's a really interesting way to think about yourself and analyze yourself?
00:22:08.000 It's almost like, I don't have religion, but I can see the benefits of it.
00:22:11.000 I don't think religion works because, like, mass doesn't work because God is happy.
00:22:16.000 But mass works because people come together as a group and they meditate and take an hour off.
00:22:22.000 And I sort of think the great mistake, the tradition I'm from is Catholicism.
00:22:27.000 Me too.
00:22:28.000 And the great mistake was, I think, Vatican II, they called it.
00:22:32.000 So Vatican II is where they translated the Latin into whatever your local language was and made it more accessible.
00:22:37.000 That was like the 1500s, right?
00:22:39.000 Yeah, and it's such a huge mistake because the idea was to be in awe.
00:22:44.000 It's something like going to church.
00:22:45.000 It should be like standing in nature.
00:22:47.000 But I think the issue...
00:22:48.000 Being in awe of something.
00:22:49.000 As soon as you translate it and you go left brain and try and make it make sense, it all falls to pieces.
00:22:54.000 But it's not a left brain.
00:22:56.000 Our whole culture is left brain.
00:22:57.000 But it should be about right brain.
00:22:59.000 It should be about the gestalt, the whole thing.
00:23:03.000 The idea of, like, there's a mystery here.
00:23:06.000 And what's that great line?
00:23:07.000 God is the name we give to the blanket.
00:23:10.000 We throw over the mystery to give it shape.
00:23:12.000 Ooh, I like that.
00:23:13.000 I think that's ACDC's roadie said that.
00:23:16.000 Really?
00:23:17.000 Yeah.
00:23:19.000 That's amazing.
00:23:20.000 But what a piece of wisdom.
00:23:21.000 That's a genius piece of wisdom.
00:23:23.000 But it is that thing of, like, you can call it whatever you want.
00:23:25.000 You can attach it to whether it's horoscopes or whatever your religion is.
00:23:29.000 But the idea of going, there is a mystery.
00:23:31.000 And even when you get to, you know, physics at the...
00:23:33.000 I mean, I love it when you have physicists on him.
00:23:35.000 I mean, Eric Weinstein's one of my favorite people in the world.
00:23:38.000 I just think he's a...
00:23:38.000 He's brilliant.
00:23:39.000 He's a great guy, too.
00:23:41.000 Yeah, great guy.
00:23:42.000 But you look at that and you go, and they get to the Big Bang.
00:23:45.000 And you go, yeah, but what happened four minutes before that?
00:23:47.000 And they go, oh, we don't know.
00:23:49.000 Well, we're back to the mystery then.
00:23:50.000 Yeah.
00:23:51.000 Well, there's no escaping the mystery once you get into subatomic particles.
00:23:55.000 Like, what's going on there?
00:23:56.000 It's also, do you need religion where you go, okay, a random selection of atoms coalesced into a form that can contemplate its own consciousness and existence for 4,000 weeks.
00:24:11.000 Is that not enough?
00:24:14.000 Will that not do?
00:24:17.000 No.
00:24:18.000 We need miracles, Jimmy.
00:24:20.000 But going back to the translation of the Bibles, one of the things I want to say, I think the reason why that was important at the time was because that power was being abused.
00:24:29.000 Because most people couldn't read Latin.
00:24:32.000 Most people couldn't read.
00:24:33.000 I mean, really, when you think about reading, the Bible was the reason.
00:24:37.000 The Bible was the bestseller that people went, no, I've got to go out and read a book.
00:24:41.000 I've got to get out.
00:24:43.000 It was a pivotal event for the Catholic Church.
00:24:46.000 Convening from 1962 to 65. Oh, so we're talking about a different time.
00:24:50.000 So we're thinking of the second Vatican II?
00:24:54.000 Is that what you were referring to?
00:24:56.000 So that was 1962.
00:24:56.000 Yeah, Vatican II, yeah.
00:24:58.000 What we're referring to is the 1500s.
00:25:01.000 We're referring to like Martin Luther.
00:25:03.000 Oh, no, that's the Protestantism.
00:25:04.000 That's the idea of the...
00:25:05.000 Well, the translation of the Bibles into different language.
00:25:09.000 Yeah, well, the Bible...
00:25:10.000 It was because it was originally in Latin.
00:25:12.000 Well, it was originally probably in Aramaic.
00:25:15.000 Yeah, but the idea of the Protestantism was the idea that you've got your own relationship with God.
00:25:21.000 So it went from being Catholics and Protestants to ultimately every individual was their own church.
00:25:28.000 Yeah, Martin Luther's perspective was like it's open to interpretation by you.
00:25:33.000 You should develop this relationship with God through the Word and that you should read.
00:25:38.000 And it wasn't up to the priest to tell you what it meant.
00:25:42.000 It's fascinating, though, there's a law of history.
00:25:46.000 There's one law in history, which is unintended consequences.
00:25:50.000 And the consequence of that, of course, is that we over-solve for the individual in our culture now.
00:25:57.000 Protestantism had such a huge influence that it's all about the individual and less about the group.
00:26:02.000 And it's got to be a balance of the two.
00:26:04.000 But it's a response to the power structures that were really...
00:26:09.000 It's detrimental in the power structures of the church.
00:26:11.000 I mean, there's a reason why the priests aren't allowed to have sex.
00:26:13.000 It's because they were fucking everybody because they had power.
00:26:16.000 You know what happened?
00:26:17.000 What happened?
00:26:18.000 The plague happened.
00:26:18.000 Okay.
00:26:20.000 So when the plague happened, it wiped out about a third of the population of earth, right?
00:26:26.000 So the plague was huge.
00:26:28.000 Now, it had a much worse effect on the priesthood because everyone got last rites.
00:26:34.000 So when you were dying...
00:26:35.000 You got last rites.
00:26:37.000 Oh, wow.
00:26:38.000 So the priesthood was knocked out like 95% of priesthood.
00:26:41.000 Oh, my God.
00:26:41.000 I didn't even think of that.
00:26:42.000 The standards pre the plague, the standards in the church were the smartest guy you've ever met, the smartest guy in the village, the town, the region was the priest.
00:26:53.000 The smartest of the smartest guy, the most intelligent guy became the bishop.
00:26:57.000 And the pope was like, this guy's a genius.
00:27:00.000 It was the best of the best, the creme de la creme.
00:27:02.000 The standards.
00:27:04.000 For the priesthood, post the plague, this guy's got all his own teeth.
00:27:11.000 You're in!
00:27:12.000 Like, it went down.
00:27:13.000 And then all that thing of, like, the plenary indulgences where you could buy your way into heaven, is all, you know, all of that came off the back of the thing.
00:27:23.000 So the standards kind of went down, and then it became kind of corrupted.
00:27:28.000 How dirty is that one, the buying your way into heaven?
00:27:31.000 Well, it's, I mean...
00:27:32.000 Well, people don't realize that.
00:27:32.000 So dirty.
00:27:34.000 People often laugh at like the, you know, he's going to blow himself up to get 72 virgins.
00:27:40.000 The Crusaders all got a fast track to heaven.
00:27:43.000 Nice.
00:27:44.000 Yeah.
00:27:47.000 Some guy tells you.
00:27:49.000 I've just discovered this.
00:27:49.000 Yeah.
00:27:51.000 Yeah.
00:27:52.000 Yeah.
00:27:53.000 I was having a conversation with a friend of mine the other day and she was telling me that there's a list of human beings that are alive today that are being considered.
00:28:02.000 For priesthood.
00:28:05.000 Like, they have to think, excuse me, for sainthood.
00:28:08.000 For sainthood.
00:28:09.000 Yeah.
00:28:09.000 So they have to, like, go over all these different religious figures that are alive currently and decide who's going to be a saint.
00:28:18.000 You know Christopher Hitchens, the great Christopher Hitchens, right?
00:28:21.000 Christopher Hitchens, literally, you ever heard the phrase the devil's advocate?
00:28:26.000 Of course.
00:28:27.000 He had that job.
00:28:28.000 So when Mother Teresa was made a saint by the Catholic Church, they bring someone in when they're making someone a saint in the Catholic Church in the Vatican to be the voice of the opposition.
00:28:38.000 And he got the job.
00:28:40.000 He played the devil's advocate for real on Mother Teresa.
00:28:43.000 He wrote a book about it.
00:28:44.000 I've always wondered about him.
00:28:48.000 Loved the guy.
00:28:49.000 Pissed off a lot of people.
00:28:50.000 Got cancer.
00:28:52.000 I hate to be the conspiracy theorist.
00:28:54.000 You hate to be the conspiracy theorist.
00:28:58.000 I don't know if you're familiar with your brand, but you are the conspiracy theorist.
00:29:02.000 At the time, I was like, wish he didn't smoke and wish he didn't drink.
00:29:07.000 Now I'm like, God, I know a lot of people smoke and drink and they live forever.
00:29:10.000 What the fuck's going on?
00:29:11.000 Why did Christopher Hitchens die so young?
00:29:13.000 But then again, why did Hicks die so young?
00:29:15.000 Hicks died at like pancreatic cancer at like 33 or something.
00:29:19.000 Yeah, I don't think we can relate his death to pissing people off.
00:29:21.000 No, no, no, of course not.
00:29:22.000 Of course not, but it's fun to do.
00:29:24.000 He's quite a writer.
00:29:24.000 Oh, he's genius.
00:29:26.000 He was so...
00:29:26.000 Pitch 22, and there's a book that he wrote about politics, The Letters to a Young Contrarian.
00:29:33.000 Oh, my God.
00:29:34.000 It's like...
00:29:35.000 Those bits of...
00:29:37.000 It's amazing things, kind of books, when people write their autobiography.
00:29:41.000 And it's like a...
00:29:42.000 It just...
00:29:43.000 It's a gift.
00:29:44.000 It's just you can feel like you know them.
00:29:47.000 Well, you can also imagine what would you do if you were living this person's life.
00:29:52.000 You're going through all the various stages of their life.
00:29:55.000 You're empathizing with them.
00:29:56.000 You're seeing their struggles.
00:29:58.000 You're seeing, you know, whatever they're going through.
00:30:01.000 And you're like, wow, what would I do?
00:30:02.000 Like, wow, that's why he became this way.
00:30:05.000 Oh, wow, that's amazing.
00:30:07.000 You know, you learn a lot from other human beings when they're really open.
00:30:11.000 They really let you in, you know, which is one of the things, I think, reasons why we detest people that are...
00:30:20.000 Very manufactured and closed off.
00:30:21.000 Like, you know, the newscaster.
00:30:24.000 You don't know a damn thing about those people.
00:30:26.000 Isn't that why this works?
00:30:28.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:30:29.000 Because you go this format.
00:30:31.000 There's nowhere to hide.
00:30:32.000 It's three hours of conversation.
00:30:34.000 You're going to talk about what you're going to talk about.
00:30:36.000 And it's this thing of it's authentic.
00:30:36.000 It's going to come up.
00:30:40.000 And authenticity is what people crave.
00:30:43.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:30:44.000 And it's playful.
00:30:46.000 And I think, I mean, okay, this is my big theory on life.
00:30:49.000 I think play is like, we don't stop playing because we get old.
00:30:55.000 We get old because we stop playing.
00:30:57.000 Yeah, I've seen that.
00:30:58.000 And in our job, because George Bernard Shaw, I think, said it first.
00:31:01.000 Anyway.
00:31:02.000 But he's wrong.
00:31:02.000 You get old, no matter what.
00:31:04.000 He's full of shit.
00:31:05.000 You're gonna break a hip.
00:31:07.000 Follow that guy's advice.
00:31:08.000 You're gonna fucking roll your ankle, for sure.
00:31:10.000 Yeah, but maybe playing Twister when you're 70. Great.
00:31:13.000 That's a good way to break a hip.
00:31:14.000 But that thing of like going play is sort of in short supply.
00:31:19.000 If you think about what anyone cares about, right?
00:31:22.000 Like people talk about sports all the time.
00:31:24.000 People talk about concerts and going to see music.
00:31:26.000 People love seeing comedy.
00:31:28.000 And they love this kind of thing.
00:31:30.000 But this is like play, right?
00:31:32.000 We're playing.
00:31:33.000 And sports is playing.
00:31:34.000 And theater is playing.
00:31:35.000 And comedy is playing.
00:31:37.000 And there's not enough play in life.
00:31:40.000 And really...
00:31:41.000 I always think of that thing like when I'm performing shows.
00:31:43.000 Like there's an illusion that it's me performing on stage.
00:31:47.000 But actually, everyone in the room is performing.
00:31:51.000 It's a performative thing seeing a show.
00:31:53.000 If you think about when you last saw, I don't know, Bruce Springsteen live.
00:31:57.000 And Bruce Springsteen goes, how you all doing?
00:31:59.000 And the whole place goes, yeah!
00:32:02.000 If in Starbucks someone goes, how you doing?
00:32:04.000 Yeah!
00:32:07.000 You get kicked out.
00:32:07.000 Psychotic.
00:32:09.000 The audience is doing their part.
00:32:11.000 They're doing their bit, and especially in our game, in comedy.
00:32:15.000 Because the feedback loop, everything is split-tested.
00:32:18.000 Everything is, how do you feel about that?
00:32:20.000 And the one audience member doesn't know anything about comedy and jokes.
00:32:24.000 Get a hundred of them together, genius.
00:32:27.000 They know exactly what's funny, what isn't funny, what's acceptable, where the line is, and you're getting that feedback the whole time.
00:32:34.000 So doing comedy, it's not repetition, it's iteration.
00:32:38.000 It's just that you're getting a constant sort of feedback from these people.
00:32:42.000 It's a mind meld, right?
00:32:44.000 Yeah, and people want it because they want to come out.
00:32:47.000 Because, you know, it used to be we'd gather around a fire and do this, right?
00:32:53.000 And then we gathered around the wireless and we talked.
00:32:57.000 And then we gathered around the TV and did this.
00:32:59.000 That's what you guys call the radio back in England, the wireless?
00:33:01.000 The wireless, that was what it was called.
00:33:03.000 Yeah, for real.
00:33:03.000 For real?
00:33:04.000 That was called the wireless.
00:33:04.000 Wow.
00:33:05.000 Yeah.
00:33:06.000 And then...
00:33:07.000 You ever heard that?
00:33:08.000 No.
00:33:09.000 It's the wireless, RKO, the wireless.
00:33:10.000 Wireless is like cellular coverage.
00:33:12.000 Yeah.
00:33:12.000 And then it's the, but then it's cell phones now.
00:33:15.000 And we're alienated.
00:33:17.000 We're more connected and less connected than ever.
00:33:19.000 And then you go out, I was in the mothership last night doing Kill Tony.
00:33:23.000 And that audience were like, it's church.
00:33:27.000 Yeah, their phone's in a bag.
00:33:28.000 They're not constantly distracted.
00:33:31.000 It's so much better.
00:33:31.000 Yeah.
00:33:31.000 Yeah.
00:33:33.000 It's like a lot of people don't like it because they don't like it to be disconnected from their little fucking binky, their blanket, whatever it is, their pacifier that they have to carry around with them everywhere.
00:33:42.000 We did a thing on holiday where we put our phones in the safe in the morning and then came back and checked them in the evening.
00:33:51.000 It's getting more difficult because the podcast you're listening to, the music, everything's hooked up to this, the pictures, the camera, everything.
00:33:57.000 But if you can...
00:33:59.000 Yeah.
00:33:59.000 Oh my god, it's so relaxing.
00:34:01.000 Yeah.
00:34:02.000 I've talked about this before, but I broke my phone once when I was in Hawaii, and I was on Lanai, which is a very small island, so I had to order it from Apple and then have it delivered.
00:34:12.000 And it took like three days.
00:34:14.000 So for three glorious days, I had no phone.
00:34:17.000 And it was amazing.
00:34:18.000 I was like, why don't I do this all the time?
00:34:20.000 And then right back to the phone.
00:34:21.000 Hang on, you showed me just before the show, how many unanswered text messages do you have on your phone?
00:34:25.000 I'll tell you right now.
00:34:26.000 Yeah, I think you feel, it feels like you might be disconnected.
00:34:30.000 Well, I have to be.
00:34:32.000 Otherwise I'll go crazy.
00:34:34.000 610.
00:34:35.000 Unanswered messages.
00:34:36.000 610, yeah.
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00:36:05.000 Just to keep going crazy, you have to be...
00:36:10.000 Somewhat disconnected.
00:36:12.000 I've gotten good at, like, compartmentalizing.
00:36:15.000 Can't talk.
00:36:16.000 I don't want to talk to anybody right now.
00:36:18.000 Just put it aside.
00:36:19.000 And then that creates problems, because then you get needy friends, like, everything okay?
00:36:24.000 Like, how come you didn't respond?
00:36:25.000 Like, I got a hundred messages.
00:36:27.000 I can't respond.
00:36:29.000 Sometimes you need peace more than you need attention.
00:36:32.000 You just gotta know your own brain.
00:36:35.000 You gotta know when you're overloaded.
00:36:38.000 And I know where it is.
00:36:40.000 I know like my overheat switch.
00:36:42.000 I start to sweat.
00:36:42.000 Alright, I'm too hot.
00:36:44.000 Turn the AC on.
00:36:45.000 You know what I mean?
00:36:46.000 So I have that sort of same sense in my brain.
00:36:48.000 I need boredom.
00:36:49.000 I need a little bit of boredom.
00:36:51.000 I had this thing recently.
00:36:53.000 I thought about boredom is unappreciated serenity.
00:36:58.000 Like travel.
00:36:59.000 Like I'm traveling a lot at the moment.
00:37:00.000 I'm on tour.
00:37:01.000 And sometimes you're in an airport and there's nothing much going on.
00:37:03.000 Just chill.
00:37:05.000 Just sit.
00:37:06.000 Let something pop in.
00:37:06.000 Yeah.
00:37:07.000 Just sit and live.
00:37:08.000 Yeah.
00:37:09.000 Isn't it interesting that for creative types especially, that's very valuable to be able to have some time where you just come up with ideas.
00:37:18.000 But instead, you just flood them with nonsense.
00:37:21.000 Car accidents, boobs, and fast cars. 0.85
00:37:26.000 Just get bombarded with...
00:37:29.000 Over-stimulated.
00:37:30.000 And very little of it gets in.
00:37:32.000 You know, if I think about...
00:37:34.000 Like, if I listen to a book on tape, like a very interesting book on tape, that's one thing.
00:37:38.000 But if I'm just, like, doom-scrolling, like, how much good gets, how much, like, if I spend five hours of just looking at social media and looking at YouTube, what?
00:37:52.000 Amount of good stuff is in there.
00:37:54.000 Is there even 20 minutes of really fascinating shit that I absorb in the entire day?
00:37:58.000 Are you familiar with the concept of Lindy books?
00:38:02.000 Yes.
00:38:02.000 Like the idea of how long something's been around is how long it's going to be around.
00:38:06.000 So most stuff on the internet was produced in the last 24 hours.
00:38:10.000 Right.
00:38:10.000 And will be entirely forgotten in 24 hours.
00:38:14.000 No one ever goes, oh, I've got to show you my favorite TikTok from two years ago.
00:38:18.000 Right.
00:38:18.000 It just doesn't happen.
00:38:19.000 No, if they do, they're crazy.
00:38:21.000 Yeah, it's disposable.
00:38:22.000 Oh, no, I've got to get away from you.
00:38:24.000 You want to show me old TikToks?
00:38:24.000 Yeah.
00:38:25.000 You're a fucking psycho.
00:38:27.000 Yeah, but that's the nature of it.
00:38:29.000 Right, right.
00:38:30.000 But crime and punishment is not addictive.
00:38:35.000 You know, the book?
00:38:36.000 But Twitter is.
00:38:36.000 Yeah.
00:38:39.000 Yeah.
00:38:40.000 Fascinating, right?
00:38:40.000 Isn't it fascinating to something very valuable, some amazing piece of literature?
00:38:46.000 Is not addictive, you know?
00:38:50.000 I wonder, yeah, I wonder with that.
00:38:53.000 I wonder, is it that thing of Aldous Huxley?
00:38:57.000 Like the idea that Brave New World, our power won't be taken from us by some overlords, like in 1984.
00:39:06.000 We'll give away our power for cheap dopamine.
00:39:09.000 And the problem with the world is there's a lot of cheap dopamine.
00:39:14.000 On offer.
00:39:15.000 So, you know, doom scrolling, it's the same as in a casino.
00:39:22.000 But then there's real joy.
00:39:23.000 If you go out and see live comedy, I think we're drug dealers, right?
00:39:27.000 And the two drugs, it's dopamine and serotonin.
00:39:30.000 And the dopamine, you don't quite know where the punchline is coming.
00:39:32.000 You know there's a punchline, but you don't know quite where it's going to be.
00:39:35.000 And then there's the serotonin, the joy of laughter as well.
00:39:38.000 And then you can get a fake version online.
00:39:41.000 Video games are like a proxy for the career that the kid isn't having.
00:39:47.000 There's levels and layers and then a big boss at the end.
00:39:47.000 Right.
00:39:49.000 It couldn't be a clear analogy or porn is a proxy for love and sex.
00:39:55.000 It's like we go for the easy option.
00:39:58.000 Yeah.
00:39:58.000 But actually when you work for it, it's just better.
00:40:01.000 Right.
00:40:02.000 The thing is the easy option is available instantaneously.
00:40:05.000 It's very difficult to go fight in war, but you can play Call of Duty right now.
00:40:10.000 You just sit in front of your computer and then you're playing.
00:40:13.000 So this cheap version might keep you from having a life of adventure because it spoon-feeds you bullshit versions of reality that are very addictive.
00:40:24.000 Okay, so back to your work ethic.
00:40:27.000 So the idea that you don't do that.
00:40:30.000 You spend time doing difficult things.
00:40:33.000 Yeah.
00:40:34.000 I got the cold plunge thing from listening to you.
00:40:37.000 I was kind of interested in it and kind of...
00:40:39.000 Chatted to some friends.
00:40:40.000 I tried it and loved it.
00:40:42.000 But you're putting yourself in a very uncomfortable situation in order for benefits later.
00:40:48.000 Yes.
00:40:49.000 It's kind of a sacrifice you make in the moment for something later.
00:40:52.000 What draws us to that?
00:40:52.000 Yeah.
00:40:54.000 What makes us do that?
00:40:56.000 The process.
00:40:57.000 So knowing that other people are completing this process and having positive results and then sort of investing a little bit of time into it, either out of boredom or curiosity or whatever.
00:41:07.000 And then you realize, oh, this is real.
00:41:09.000 Like, this is real in terms of, like, fitness.
00:41:11.000 Like, if you want to start running, you want to run a marathon, you're like, that's impossible.
00:41:15.000 I can't even run around the block.
00:41:16.000 Well, if you run around the block three days in a row...
00:41:20.000 You're going to get better at running around the block, and if you keep that up for a couple months, you're like, holy shit, I'm getting around this block pretty easy now.
00:41:27.000 And then you start expanding your runs, and the next thing you know, running a couple miles a day.
00:41:32.000 The next thing you know, you're entering into a 5K, and the next thing you know, you're running a half marathon.
00:41:38.000 And then you look back on that day where you couldn't even run around the block, and you thought...
00:41:42.000 Running was impossible.
00:41:43.000 So there's a process, and there's a process of improvement.
00:41:47.000 But that process requires you to be uncomfortable, and most people are unwilling to be uncomfortable.
00:41:52.000 So if you are willing to be uncomfortable, you will bypass most human beings in everything you do.
00:41:58.000 Yeah.
00:41:58.000 It's that thing of prioritizing now.
00:42:02.000 Seems to be the issue.
00:42:02.000 Yeah.
00:42:04.000 If you can prioritize later, if you can sort of Chris Williamson.
00:42:08.000 Delay gratification.
00:42:08.000 Yeah.
00:42:09.000 Well, Chris Williamson's got this great thing.
00:42:11.000 We were chatting about it, me and George Mack and him.
00:42:13.000 It's amazing.
00:42:13.000 Love that guy.
00:42:14.000 He's great.
00:42:14.000 He's the best.
00:42:15.000 But that thing of like 24 hours ahead.
00:42:17.000 We've all got to serve someone, right, in life.
00:42:20.000 You've got to serve.
00:42:21.000 And serving yourself in 24 hours is pretty good because it's that thing of like booze is the best example.
00:42:28.000 Like drinking is you're borrowing happiness from tomorrow.
00:42:32.000 Yes.
00:42:32.000 Right, so in a very simple way, you know...
00:42:35.000 Also, it's like predatory credit card rates.
00:42:38.000 Like the kind of rates that you get when you go to college and they give you a credit card and you're a moron.
00:42:42.000 It's like 39% interest or something like that.
00:42:45.000 Something crazy, yeah.
00:42:46.000 Yeah, that's what it's like.
00:42:47.000 It's like you're not just borrowing money.
00:42:48.000 Your body's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to need more.
00:42:51.000 I'm going to need more than you spent.
00:42:53.000 Yeah, I find that thing of like the...
00:42:56.000 Whenever I feel anxious or depressed or any of those things, we sort of think it's invariably with me, it's a hardware problem, not a software problem.
00:43:06.000 So it's like, okay, have I slept?
00:43:09.000 Have I exercised?
00:43:10.000 Have I eaten correctly?
00:43:12.000 It's a good way to put it.
00:43:13.000 Hardware, software.
00:43:14.000 And then you go, okay, this is a hardware problem.
00:43:17.000 But it's so hard to fix that when you're depressed.
00:43:21.000 It's so hard to, like, it's all very well for us to go, well, you know, go for a run and do some exercise and have a cold plunge.
00:43:27.000 It's so difficult when you're in that.
00:43:29.000 I'm very empathetic to that state.
00:43:31.000 And I wonder, does it help that we slightly pathologize?
00:43:34.000 In our language, we say depressed and anxious, not...
00:43:39.000 Sad and worried.
00:43:40.000 I mean, I think for some people it's a, listen, you don't want to be trivialized mental health problems, but you go, sometimes it's just the human condition.
00:43:48.000 We're going to worry about stuff.
00:43:50.000 Certainly you don't want to trivialize mental health issues.
00:43:53.000 However, you also understand that there's a tremendous benefit to being physically active that is actually better than SSRIs, statistically speaking.
00:44:06.000 What do you prescribe?
00:44:07.000 Is it better to prescribe drugs?
00:44:09.000 Or is it better to be real with a person and say, I know this is uncomfortable, but this is what you're going to have to do.
00:44:15.000 And it sucks, but it sucks for everybody.
00:44:17.000 And everybody has a test in life.
00:44:19.000 And this is your test.
00:44:20.000 Your test in life, you know, your test in life is not to try to win the Super Bowl.
00:44:25.000 Your test in life is try to get up and not eat garbage today and drink a bunch of water and have some exercise.
00:44:31.000 This is your test in life.
00:44:32.000 Yeah.
00:44:33.000 And it's not easy.
00:44:35.000 Well, the issue is that you want to be, I think, kindness.
00:44:38.000 Right.
00:44:41.000 Kindness is the most wonderful thing.
00:44:44.000 And here's the problem with kindness.
00:44:44.000 It is.
00:44:46.000 There's a lot of kindness in the moment.
00:44:48.000 Like, I've got kids.
00:44:49.000 You've got kids, right?
00:44:50.000 Your kids, what do they want to do?
00:44:51.000 They want to eat at McDonald's and they want to watch TV.
00:44:54.000 And you want to be kind in the moment, but you're going to have fat, stupid kids. 0.98
00:44:59.000 So you go, well, let's have some healthy food and let's read some books and let's run around outside.
00:44:59.000 Of course.
00:45:05.000 And maybe they don't want to do that now, but you've got to be kind to their potential.
00:45:10.000 Yes.
00:45:11.000 Not just to that.
00:45:12.000 And then you kind of obviously, you know, it kind of teaches you that.
00:45:15.000 And then you kind of have to apply it to yourself.
00:45:17.000 Because you go, well, they're not going to pay attention to what I say.
00:45:20.000 They're just going to watch what I do.
00:45:22.000 Sure.
00:45:23.000 But then, you know, individuals that are struggling, you know, the problem is...
00:45:28.000 If you don't know them, you don't know, like, what are they going through?
00:45:33.000 Is this nonsense?
00:45:34.000 Or is this, like, really serious?
00:45:36.000 Like, if they had a really fucked up life, or are they just really self-indulgent and lazy? 0.56
00:45:42.000 Like, what are we dealing with here?
00:45:44.000 Like, what are we dealing with?
00:45:45.000 Are we dealing with, like, tremendous depression because of, like, physical and sexual abuse and beatings and violence in the house?
00:45:52.000 Are we dealing with that?
00:45:53.000 Or are we dealing with some kid who their parents doted on them too much and maybe the parents were super negative, which is very...
00:46:03.000 That is very contagious.
00:46:05.000 Like, if you have, like, very negative family members, and then everybody in the family is always complaining, it's always something's wrong, and someone did something to them, and it's always, there's no joy.
00:46:15.000 I don't think you realize, and maybe you do, I don't think you realize how much you help people.
00:46:21.000 Having these conversations on here.
00:46:23.000 They help me.
00:46:24.000 I think they help all of us.
00:46:25.000 We're all human beings.
00:46:26.000 We all go through weird shit just being a person.
00:46:30.000 Yeah, it's not easy.
00:46:31.000 But having these conversations.
00:46:32.000 I think there's something about you specifically.
00:46:36.000 Like the martial arts stuff.
00:46:40.000 It's a very alpha thing.
00:46:41.000 And then you're a stand-up comedian.
00:46:44.000 And very admired by your peers.
00:46:46.000 And you can have conversations about this stuff.
00:46:48.000 And I think it really cuts through to a group that wouldn't hear that.
00:46:53.000 I mean, for me, that thing that you're saying there is about agency and empathy.
00:46:57.000 And I think there's a problem in our society that we give agency to people we don't like and we give empathy to people that we do like.
00:47:08.000 You know, so if there's like a right-wing Nazi rally, we say they knew what they were doing.
00:47:13.000 We give them agency.
00:47:14.000 We punish them.
00:47:16.000 Or Elon Musk with the Hitler salute.
00:47:17.000 Right.
00:47:18.000 Okay.
00:47:18.000 So we say he knew what he was doing.
00:47:20.000 Okay.
00:47:21.000 And then if we really like someone, we give them empathy.
00:47:24.000 Yes.
00:47:25.000 That's a great example.
00:47:26.000 And sympathy.
00:47:28.000 And the issue is we need to give everyone both.
00:47:31.000 Yes.
00:47:32.000 Because you go, look, no one is going to care about you more than you.
00:47:38.000 You need to take responsibility for this.
00:47:41.000 And you need to, you know, it's very, very tough because you want to give that agency and empathy to everyone.
00:47:50.000 To give them the tools to have a better life.
00:47:54.000 Yeah, and the more happy people are, the more happy people there will be.
00:47:58.000 It'll expand.
00:47:59.000 It's not like, it's not...
00:48:01.000 One plus one equals two.
00:48:03.000 It's exponential.
00:48:04.000 It accelerates.
00:48:06.000 The more people are happy and enjoying their life, the more you will enjoy your life.
00:48:11.000 And that's just part of a community.
00:48:13.000 It's the natural human reward system that's set up to make sure that we all get along together and we continue to procreate and have a wonderful society until we meld with the machine, which is coming any day now.
00:48:25.000 I hope you're ready.
00:48:26.000 I don't know.
00:48:26.000 You want to hear my hot take on AI?
00:48:28.000 I would love to.
00:48:29.000 All right, my hot take on AI is we were not made in God's image.
00:48:33.000 But we so wanted there to be a God, we made one in our image.
00:48:38.000 So if you think about the attributes of AI, it's all-knowing, all-powerful, can perform miracles.
00:48:46.000 It lives in a cloud.
00:48:49.000 Sorry, is that God or AI?
00:48:50.000 Wow.
00:48:52.000 Yeah, interesting.
00:48:53.000 Especially emerging.
00:48:55.000 It's an emerging god.
00:48:56.000 It's not even done growing yet.
00:48:58.000 At the moment, it's the Oracle of Delphi.
00:49:00.000 It's like a 10-year-old right now, though.
00:49:02.000 It's not even an adult.
00:49:03.000 Yeah, and then where's it going to?
00:49:06.000 So the idea of like, the interesting thing about AI is it's the gap between me and, I don't know, who's the smartest guy we know?
00:49:13.000 Eric Weinstein.
00:49:15.000 Used to be enormous.
00:49:17.000 And the gap is getting smaller because AI, I can ask it.
00:49:21.000 Yeah, bitch, I got all the answers right here. 1.00
00:49:21.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:49:23.000 Yeah.
00:49:24.000 I mean, it's weird what's going on.
00:49:26.000 I had a gag about it, about, you know, like a bit about in our universities, you know, the students are using AI to write their essays, and then the tutors are using AI to mark the essays, and then after three years, AI gets the job.
00:49:40.000 It actually seems very fair.
00:49:42.000 Yeah, it's probably what's going to happen.
00:49:44.000 What you're saying is very funny.
00:49:46.000 It's like, it is accurate, though.
00:49:49.000 It does seem to resemble a god.
00:49:51.000 Well, I wonder...
00:49:52.000 Do you know who Marshall McLuhan is?
00:49:54.000 Of course.
00:49:55.000 The Canadian...
00:49:56.000 One of the great lines of all time.
00:49:58.000 Human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.
00:50:04.000 Yeah.
00:50:05.000 Oh, I get like tingles.
00:50:06.000 Yeah, that one gives...
00:50:08.000 And I think that I gave a shortened version of it.
00:50:13.000 I think it's even longer.
00:50:14.000 But it's fascinating because it's so never more true than today.
00:50:19.000 Never more true.
00:50:21.000 Like if we are really giving birth to AI.
00:50:24.000 Well, I wonder what will change.
00:50:26.000 I'm very optimistic, right?
00:50:28.000 So 120 years ago, 95% of the population worked in agriculture and they worked 16 hours a day and it was a very, very tough life.
00:50:37.000 And then we moved to the cities and we worked in factories.
00:50:43.000 You know, the unions, they don't get the credit they deserve.
00:50:46.000 They gave us the weekend.
00:50:47.000 And now we think human beings work five days and we have two days off.
00:50:51.000 That's how, that's the world, right?
00:50:53.000 But it's different.
00:50:54.000 It's changing now.
00:50:56.000 It's like, it's going to change again.
00:50:59.000 And we'll look back and go, I mean, we're incredibly privileged that we're born right now.
00:51:04.000 Here it is.
00:51:05.000 Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs in the machine world as the bee of the plant world enable it to fecundicate and evolve ever new forms.
00:51:15.000 Oh, fecundate, rather.
00:51:17.000 Machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth.
00:51:24.000 It's not as eloquent as the sex organs in the machine world.
00:51:28.000 I think you nailed it, didn't you?
00:51:29.000 I think my version of it's a little better.
00:51:31.000 Come on, Marshall McLuhan.
00:51:32.000 It's his words.
00:51:33.000 I think we're the electronic caterpillar that's going to become a butterfly.
00:51:37.000 That's what I think.
00:51:38.000 I think we're giving birth to a new form of life.
00:51:40.000 That's what I think we're doing with AI.
00:51:42.000 I love that thing with that book, The Beginning of Infinity.
00:51:45.000 I can't get over that.
00:51:46.000 What book is that?
00:51:47.000 Who wrote that?
00:51:49.000 It's Beginning of Infinity.
00:51:50.000 I think it's David Deutsch.
00:51:55.000 What's the beginning of the book?
00:51:57.000 The idea of The Beginning of Infinity is that if we can get through this...
00:52:02.000 Phase in humanity, right?
00:52:04.000 There's been 100 billion people so far, 110 billion.
00:52:07.000 There's 9 billion at the moment, 8 billion, 9 billion.
00:52:10.000 If we can get through this, if we can get off planet, maybe there are trillions of people in the future.
00:52:17.000 Trillions.
00:52:18.000 Maybe humanity spreads out across the galaxies in the universe for the next 13 billion years.
00:52:18.000 Right.
00:52:24.000 Like the idea that if we can get through this now...
00:52:28.000 This little phase that we're in, we're having a little bit of difficulty here with a couple of possible problems.
00:52:33.000 And if we can get through it, like the scientific meme, the idea that we've created these machines, but really through science.
00:52:46.000 Like the technology that we have is brilliant.
00:52:50.000 And if we can negotiate, if we can have a little bit of peace in the world.
00:52:54.000 Avoid the war, yeah.
00:52:55.000 If we can avoid the war.
00:52:56.000 And really, you know, avoiding the war, I think is possible.
00:53:00.000 I think the most...
00:53:01.000 All right, here's the take.
00:53:03.000 I think the most incredible piece of technology that we have...
00:53:07.000 I'm very optimistic about the world.
00:53:08.000 Like, you could look at the state of the world and go, it's terrible.
00:53:11.000 But I look at, like, I look at America, I look at the UK, and I look at the footfall.
00:53:16.000 So where do people want to come?
00:53:18.000 Well, they want to come and they want to live here, right?
00:53:21.000 And what's the most important piece of technology in America?
00:53:24.000 I would argue...
00:53:26.000 The Constitution.
00:53:27.000 The Constitution, you sort of don't think of it as a piece of technology, but it really is.
00:53:31.000 And it's allowed all of this...
00:53:33.000 It's an operating system.
00:53:35.000 It's a brilliant operating system.
00:53:36.000 And you can prove that culture is downstream of institutions.
00:53:42.000 And freedom.
00:53:43.000 Because you go, look at...
00:53:44.000 Okay, here's the great examples, right?
00:53:46.000 East and West Germany, North and South Korea.
00:53:48.000 Exactly the same people.
00:53:50.000 Exactly the same, culturally.
00:53:53.000 And...
00:53:53.000 They got this system.
00:53:54.000 They got this system.
00:53:55.000 East and West Germany.
00:53:56.000 You got the Stasi over here. 0.61
00:53:58.000 Hell on Earth.
00:53:59.000 North Korea.
00:54:00.000 Whatever the fuck is going on there.
00:54:01.000 Right.
00:54:02.000 And then you get South Korea.
00:54:03.000 I mean, flourishing.
00:54:04.000 Incredible culture.
00:54:04.000 Right.
00:54:06.000 You get West Germany. 0.79
00:54:07.000 I got another one for you.
00:54:09.000 Craft work.
00:54:09.000 Brilliant.
00:54:09.000 Cuba and Miami.
00:54:11.000 Yeah?
00:54:12.000 Yeah.
00:54:13.000 You're exactly right.
00:54:14.000 Miami's only 90 miles away.
00:54:16.000 Okay.
00:54:16.000 So here's the thing.
00:54:17.000 How many people in the world now?
00:54:18.000 Nine billion?
00:54:19.000 It's a lot.
00:54:19.000 Eight billion?
00:54:20.000 Something.
00:54:20.000 Right?
00:54:21.000 Half a billion.
00:54:22.000 Okay.
00:54:23.000 There's the UK, there's the US, there's Canada, there's Australia.
00:54:28.000 Okay, they're all, I mean, ex-British colonies.
00:54:31.000 Yeah.
00:54:32.000 I'll take the win.
00:54:34.000 But those institutions, those institutions are set up in a certain way that's allowed a flourishing where people want to come here.
00:54:45.000 Yeah.
00:54:45.000 Okay, so either we accept 9 billion people into our countries or we export I think we should be writing or coming up with great constitutions for nations that we want to see in the future.
00:55:04.000 You and I think very much alike.
00:55:05.000 I've said the same thing.
00:55:08.000 The highlight when people are talking about immigration into this country, one of the big ones is, wouldn't you do this if you were in another world? 0.77
00:55:18.000 Of course.
00:55:18.000 Of course I would.
00:55:19.000 If I lived in a third world country and...
00:55:21.000 I had a chance to make a better life and come to America, 100% I would do it.
00:55:25.000 But the real question is, why is it so bad over there?
00:55:28.000 And what can we do to make that better?
00:55:30.000 Instead of bringing them in here to make their lives better, why not make the whole world?
00:55:35.000 It's possible to make the whole...
00:55:37.000 The only problem with that is you lose your cheap labor.
00:55:39.000 Okay.
00:55:40.000 Well, I mean, it's the right wing in America that, you know...
00:55:45.000 The idea of going, okay, we're going to get rid of the southern border to bring in cheap labor is a crazy idea because all we're doing is we outsource.
00:55:54.000 And this problem has been what is was ever thus.
00:55:57.000 George Orwell was once asked, what do you think of the British working classes?
00:56:01.000 And he said, they live in India.
00:56:06.000 He's a smart guy.
00:56:07.000 But you go, that globalization, the idea of going...
00:56:10.000 Along with tech help.
00:56:10.000 But it's the idea if we go, we often export our...
00:56:14.000 The things that we're conscious about.
00:56:16.000 So we go, okay, so we shut down all the coal mines in the UK, and now we import coal.
00:56:24.000 Okay.
00:56:25.000 Is that better?
00:56:26.000 It's one world we live in.
00:56:27.000 They're not even under union rules.
00:56:30.000 Yeah.
00:56:31.000 Yeah, so you're getting unethically sourced coal.
00:56:33.000 It's the whole of humanity matters.
00:56:38.000 Derek Parfitt is that brilliant guy who is a philosopher.
00:56:42.000 He wrote this brilliant thing called Reasons and Persons.
00:56:44.000 It's a brilliant book.
00:56:45.000 And it's kind of about that idea that you've got to care about humanity temporally and spatially.
00:56:50.000 You've got to care about people in the future.
00:56:51.000 And you've got to care about people everywhere.
00:56:54.000 And the idea if you go, look, we've got to make the places people are fleeing from livable.
00:56:59.000 And I think we have proved over the last 50 years, regime change is not what we're great at.
00:57:06.000 Right?
00:57:06.000 So it comes down to...
00:57:07.000 We're going to get it right one of these days.
00:57:10.000 Just give it a chance.
00:57:10.000 Sure.
00:57:11.000 It's like the first car wasn't a good car either, you know?
00:57:11.000 Sure.
00:57:15.000 But now we have really good cars.
00:57:16.000 It just takes time, Jimmy.
00:57:17.000 Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:57:18.000 We just need to practice more.
00:57:20.000 Here's what I think it is.
00:57:22.000 Agency and empathy.
00:57:24.000 On a global scale.
00:57:25.000 Yeah.
00:57:26.000 So it's like giving those nations that are in horrific trouble and that no one seems to care about agency.
00:57:33.000 But maybe it's that thing of like going the American Constitution.
00:57:37.000 I don't know where it was written, but it was like, I think it was like intellectuals from around the world were like chipping in with ideas and they came up with this incredible document.
00:57:47.000 And look at the flourishing that's come out of it.
00:57:49.000 Look at what it's achieved.
00:57:51.000 Like, imagine if something like that happens in China.
00:57:57.000 Imagine in our lifetime that they go with a different system.
00:58:03.000 You know, it's a covers band.
00:58:06.000 You know, it doesn't...
00:58:07.000 It takes a lot of intellectual property and it has its own version of Facebook and its own version of Google and its own version of...
00:58:14.000 But it doesn't...
00:58:15.000 What is it about America that allows this entrepreneurial spirit that allowed Silicon Valley to happen?
00:58:22.000 Well, they've got an interesting approach because they still have a very entrepreneurial spirit as well.
00:58:27.000 They've got a weird sort of merging of...
00:58:32.000 Communism and capitalism.
00:58:34.000 It's state-run capitalism.
00:58:36.000 But they still have insane innovation.
00:58:40.000 China's technological innovation is probably greater than ours.
00:58:44.000 In a lot of areas.
00:58:45.000 In the areas of electric vehicles, for sure.
00:58:48.000 In the areas of drones, for sure.
00:58:52.000 I don't know if you saw this, but there was some sort of a mothership drone that they're going to launch that is this enormous vehicle that drones can launch off of.
00:59:05.000 Okay.
00:59:06.000 I mean, this feels like...
00:59:07.000 Yeah, it's dangerous.
00:59:08.000 It's like they have some spectacular drone capabilities.
00:59:14.000 And they also have electric cars that if you don't follow these obscure car review people online that review Chinese electric cars, you'd have no idea.
00:59:25.000 These cars are insane.
00:59:27.000 They have cars that do like a 360.
00:59:29.000 Like it'll sit there parked and it'll just spin in a circle if you want to.
00:59:33.000 So if you want to take a U-turn...
00:59:35.000 Your car would just spin around in a circle and go back the other way.
00:59:40.000 Weird stuff, man.
00:59:42.000 Like insane technology inside the vehicles, like spectacular looking cars.
00:59:48.000 Yeah, they're on the verge of, you know...
00:59:53.000 Passing us in many areas because there's a lot of regulation in regards to drone technology, in particular in this country, if you want to be a drone pilot.
01:00:04.000 Is that going to change now?
01:00:06.000 I don't know.
01:00:07.000 I mean, that's the first drone war.
01:00:09.000 I don't know.
01:00:10.000 It's all scary.
01:00:11.000 The drone thing is weird because...
01:00:14.000 If you allow everyone to have drones, like, you'd get that sometimes where, like, you see people dealing with drones over their house.
01:00:21.000 Like, is that legal?
01:00:22.000 Can you just fly over my fucking house with a drone?
01:00:24.000 Turns out it is.
01:00:25.000 Turns out it is legal.
01:00:26.000 Well, how much of it as well, like, I mean, talking to the right guy here, but how much of the alien stuff that we watched in the 1950s and 60s was that technology being tested in America?
01:00:36.000 So this is the drone mothership.
01:00:38.000 This is the drone mothership that China's created. 0.99
01:00:42.000 So this is an enormous ship.
01:00:44.000 That can send thousands of drones. 0.87
01:00:48.000 Do you think it would be sensible for you and I to pledge allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party now?
01:00:54.000 Sort of on the record?
01:00:55.000 We should learn Mandarin.
01:00:56.000 Just in case.
01:00:57.000 I think it's a good time to learn Mandarin.
01:00:59.000 I think John Cena was right.
01:01:01.000 Look at that.
01:01:02.000 25 meters wide.
01:01:05.000 Wow.
01:01:06.000 That's wild.
01:01:07.000 That's big.
01:01:09.000 Yeah.
01:01:10.000 I mean, it feels like the...
01:01:12.000 It's a quarter of a football field.
01:01:14.000 I don't know.
01:01:15.000 So war is changing, isn't it?
01:01:17.000 Yeah.
01:01:17.000 But it used to be...
01:01:18.000 I suppose it's always changing.
01:01:19.000 It was.
01:01:20.000 It used to be guys, and you wear blue, we'll wear red, we'll line up, and then we'll just smash it out.
01:01:26.000 And there was...
01:01:27.000 Those days were over.
01:01:28.000 But there was no civilian casualties.
01:01:30.000 It kind of worked.
01:01:31.000 And then there's guerrilla warfare, and there's what's going on now, and there's the drones.
01:01:35.000 Yeah.
01:01:36.000 Okay, here's a weird question.
01:01:38.000 Okay.
01:01:38.000 Okay, so the assassination of JFK.
01:01:41.000 People are absolutely fascinated, right?
01:01:43.000 Sure.
01:01:43.000 And what's been released and what's...
01:01:45.000 No one seems to care about the guy that shot Trump.
01:01:49.000 I think they do too, but there was very little information that's available.
01:01:53.000 And we're hoping there'll be more information now that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are in the FBI.
01:02:02.000 But I'm not...
01:02:03.000 I saw them recently talk about Epstein, and they're saying that Epstein, he definitely committed suicide.
01:02:09.000 I'm like, definitely?
01:02:12.000 Because especially, like, Bongino...
01:02:15.000 But, you know, it's the terrible kind of, the lag from COVID.
01:02:21.000 You know, the long COVID, from a psychological perspective, is trust.
01:02:26.000 We've lost a lot of trust.
01:02:28.000 Because anyone that said it was a lab leak at the time...
01:02:31.000 Was a maniac.
01:02:32.000 And then, you know, so you go when they tell us, oh, no, no, he committed suicide.
01:02:35.000 You go, well, it's hard to believe now.
01:02:38.000 Yeah, well, it's way worse than...
01:02:40.000 It was a concerted effort that was coordinated.
01:02:44.000 And you could follow the paper trail now.
01:02:46.000 Like, what used to be a conspiracy theory is now just facts.
01:02:50.000 Like, you know, there was one thing that came out where...
01:02:55.000 What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact?
01:02:58.000 It's five years now.
01:02:59.000 Find out...
01:03:00.000 It was Yale.
01:03:02.000 Yale did a study before the vaccine was even released where they were running the effects of shaming people to try to coerce them into taking a medication.
01:03:20.000 to decrease vaccine hesitancy.
01:03:22.000 And I think they were running terms like trust the science.
01:03:27.000 It's crazy, because it's the baby in the bathwater, because they did that, and then you go, and then there's going to be more measles in America, and more kids wearing glasses that thick and going deaf from measles, because they're not taking the good vaccine.
01:03:43.000 So for me, it's like that idea of trust is such a, you know, when we talk about institutions.
01:03:49.000 And the Constitution and checks and balances.
01:03:53.000 And we need trust in our society.
01:03:55.000 That's one of the great things that came out of...
01:03:57.000 Again, that's the Catholic Church.
01:03:59.000 Well, the real problem in this country when it comes to things like vaccines is we have narratives.
01:04:04.000 And we either have narratives that all of them are bad or we have narratives that all of them are good and trusting the science.
01:04:10.000 It gets strange.
01:04:13.000 And then when...
01:04:15.000 The real problem in this country happened when they absolved all pharmaceutical drug companies from any sort of liability for vaccines.
01:04:24.000 And they did that because vaccines have side effects.
01:04:28.000 Even if they are effective, they have side effects.
01:04:31.000 It's part of the...
01:04:32.000 Good and bad about them.
01:04:34.000 So they were getting so many lawsuits that they were threatening to no longer produce vaccines.
01:04:42.000 So during the Reagan administration, he gave them blanket immunity.
01:04:45.000 And then they started doing things like prescribing hepatitis B shots to babies, which doesn't make any fucking sense.
01:04:52.000 It's a sexually transmitted disease you get from dirty needles and sex, and you're giving that vaccine to babies, and it's kind of dangerous.
01:04:59.000 And they did it because people weren't taking it.
01:05:02.000 And so then you get a thing where you're just trying to profit more.
01:05:06.000 And because you have this blanket immunity, you're taking advantage of this position, which is what corporations do.
01:05:12.000 Yeah, I mean, they're motivated by profit.
01:05:15.000 Here's the simple solution, like super simple.
01:05:19.000 Ban advertising for medications.
01:05:23.000 It's New Zealand and America. 0.66
01:05:29.000 100%.
01:05:29.000 And you go, well, what are we doing?
01:05:31.000 It's unnecessary.
01:05:32.000 Well, the real dark part of that is not that people get influenced to try these medications or to trust in these medications because of the advertisement.
01:05:41.000 The real problem is it's such an immense part of the network's revenue that they will no longer do investigations on vaccine side effects or pharmaceutical drug side effects or do stories about things like vitamins.
01:05:56.000 We've got to motivate.
01:06:01.000 Those companies, right?
01:06:02.000 It can't just be the profit because it's like the thing that I worry about is antibiotics, right?
01:06:07.000 So antibiotics are what an incredible piece of technology, right?
01:06:11.000 People used to die from a fucking rusty nail, snagged them, and they would die, right?
01:06:15.000 So modern medicine has given...
01:06:17.000 We have to look at what's...
01:06:18.000 What the positive side is.
01:06:20.000 There's an immense positive side for pharmaceutical drugs.
01:06:23.000 You're talking to a man in his 50s with a hair transplant.
01:06:26.000 I've had a bit of work done.
01:06:28.000 Don't even start me on the Viagra.
01:06:29.000 I've got a lot to be thankful for for medical science.
01:06:33.000 Big Pharma, great.
01:06:34.000 They've done a lot of good.
01:06:35.000 And then other stuff.
01:06:38.000 The antibiotics.
01:06:40.000 There's...
01:06:41.000 There's things that are resistant now to antibiotics.
01:06:43.000 They need new antibiotics, but there's nothing in it for the pharmaceutical companies to invest in that.
01:06:48.000 So I think that at a governmental level needs to be, look, give them the money to do it.
01:06:53.000 Right.
01:06:54.000 If you have oversight to make sure there's not fraud and waste, and that is a problem when you give people money.
01:06:59.000 But what you're saying is 100% true.
01:07:02.000 There's undeniable good that comes from pharmaceutical drugs.
01:07:07.000 The problem is not scientists and not medical science.
01:07:12.000 So you have medical scientists that are constantly trying to figure out new ways to stop Parkinson's disease, new ways to cure cancer.
01:07:19.000 All this is wonderful.
01:07:20.000 But then you have the money people.
01:07:22.000 How do we get this out there?
01:07:24.000 And how do we maybe we get this out there before it's ready?
01:07:26.000 Maybe you just fucking tell people it's ready when it's not.
01:07:29.000 Maybe you fudge a few tests.
01:07:31.000 Maybe you run some really fucking sneaky studies where you're only analyzing things in a certain very particular lens because you want them to be shown to be effective.
01:07:43.000 But you go, look, you know, and I don't mind people.
01:07:46.000 If someone comes up with a cure for cancer...
01:07:47.000 They should profit.
01:07:48.000 I don't mind.
01:07:49.000 They could be a trillionaire.
01:07:50.000 But the thing is, they're never satisfied.
01:07:52.000 When you have a publicly traded company, they never are satisfied.
01:07:56.000 They never go, guys, we're doing great.
01:07:58.000 If we just make this amount of money every year, like, that's wonderful.
01:08:02.000 Let's just, like, let's hang back.
01:08:04.000 I think our profits are very high.
01:08:06.000 Let's try to do the most amount of good.
01:08:06.000 Let's do good.
01:08:08.000 No corporations think like that.
01:08:10.000 Well, it's an interesting thing where socialism has become such a...
01:08:12.000 A dirty word.
01:08:14.000 But everyone agrees to some extent, right?
01:08:17.000 There's areas of life where you go, well, there has to be a level of socialism.
01:08:26.000 Contribution.
01:08:26.000 We have to contribute.
01:08:27.000 Okay, the fire service is great.
01:08:29.000 I use the same one all the time.
01:08:30.000 But everyone agrees, right?
01:08:32.000 Okay, if your house burns down, okay, we're going to have a fire service and it comes and it's not like, oh, we don't take care of that.
01:08:37.000 Public education.
01:08:38.000 Well, I think education, I think we could get there sooner because you look at some of the stuff that's available online now and it's just incredible.
01:08:46.000 It's there.
01:08:47.000 I mean, I slightly think on education that we should do the right thing, right?
01:08:54.000 Instead of pumping the economy by printing more money and quantitative easing, I think America and the UK should cancel all student debt because we missold people.
01:09:06.000 Some bullshit degrees, right?
01:09:09.000 100%.
01:09:09.000 And the idea that student debt, right?
01:09:12.000 So you're taking those people that took a chance and they went to university and they gave their time and they studied hard.
01:09:18.000 And there's a theory that woke came out of elite overproduction.
01:09:24.000 So people did everything right.
01:09:27.000 They went to school, they studied hard, they went to university, they studied hard, they got a degree.
01:09:31.000 And then they...
01:09:33.000 They can't buy a house.
01:09:34.000 They can't because, you know, maybe the degree doesn't grow corn.
01:09:38.000 It's not in a STEM subject.
01:09:40.000 It's in the humanities or something.
01:09:42.000 And then they don't get the lifestyle that they worked hard for.
01:09:45.000 I think we cancel their debt.
01:09:48.000 I mean, I don't want to sound like a communist here, but free education is not crazy.
01:09:51.000 It's not crazy at all.
01:09:53.000 It's an asset to your society.
01:09:54.000 The problem is it's a giant subsidized business in America at least.
01:09:59.000 It's a giant subsidized business, and they're not going to let it go.
01:10:02.000 The reason why...
01:10:03.000 There's a really strong reason why...
01:10:05.000 It was free when I went.
01:10:06.000 When I went to university...
01:10:07.000 There's a really strong reason why it's the one debt you cannot absolve in America, even with bankruptcy.
01:10:12.000 Why?
01:10:13.000 Because it's a scam.
01:10:15.000 It's the dirtiest thing ever.
01:10:16.000 Because, look, if you're a 45-year-old man who's taking a lot of risks with your business and you go bankrupt, you're absolved.
01:10:22.000 But you're an educated person with a lot of life experience and you did risky things and you failed.
01:10:28.000 You're allowed to go bankrupt.
01:10:29.000 But if you're an 18-year-old kid and you assume a $200,000 four-year loan to go to Harvard, you got to pay that forever for the rest of your life.
01:10:41.000 And it gets interest.
01:10:43.000 It compounds.
01:10:46.000 That's evil.
01:10:47.000 I can't see the...
01:10:49.000 Because you go, this is the richest nation, not just in the world, the richest nation there's ever been.
01:10:54.000 And you go, an investment in...
01:10:56.000 And maybe you change it and you go, well, actually, university is a lot more difficult to get into now.
01:11:01.000 Because it's going to be free.
01:11:02.000 So it's going to be super difficult to get in there.
01:11:04.000 It's still difficult to get into, even if it's expensive.
01:11:07.000 Right now, it's not easy to get into Yale or Harvard.
01:11:10.000 It's very difficult to get into it.
01:11:12.000 That's not going to help you.
01:11:13.000 The real problem is always going to be the fact that you're paying so much money when you're too young to know what that even means.
01:11:21.000 You're too young to be connected to $50,000 debt when you're 18. You don't know what it means.
01:11:27.000 You're 18 years old.
01:11:28.000 You don't know what that kind of debt means and the fact that it's going to follow you around forever and haunt you.
01:11:33.000 But also, it's the middle class and upper class kids.
01:11:38.000 That can take on that kind of debt.
01:11:40.000 And there's more of the haves and have-nots forever.
01:11:43.000 But education was the great kind of equalizer, right?
01:11:47.000 Because you were able to change your social class through, you know, if you go to school and you work hard, you go, well, education should be...
01:11:56.000 Listen, I'm not saying that there can be equality because I think we're all born with different gifts, right?
01:12:02.000 Yes.
01:12:02.000 You and I disagree about work ethic, but...
01:12:05.000 The idea that we're all born with different attributes, right?
01:12:07.000 So there's never going to be equality.
01:12:09.000 But the opportunity to educate yourself and to do better is like, that's sort of part of the American dream, isn't it?
01:12:16.000 I don't even think we disagree about work ethic.
01:12:18.000 I think it can be acquired as well.
01:12:21.000 I'm sure it's probably heritable in some way.
01:12:22.000 It's probably very cultural, too.
01:12:25.000 But I think you learn it, too.
01:12:27.000 I think you've learned it.
01:12:29.000 I think what you've done in martial arts, how you do anything is how you do everything.
01:12:34.000 I look at what you've done with The Mothership.
01:12:36.000 I look at your comedy career.
01:12:37.000 I look at how you treat your body.
01:12:40.000 Everything's the same.
01:12:41.000 It's the same.
01:12:42.000 You've got a work ethic that's very consistent across different fields.
01:12:46.000 How you do the podcast.
01:12:48.000 Have you missed a week?
01:12:50.000 Like, you're just very consistent with stuff.
01:12:50.000 Ever?
01:12:53.000 Well, that's the key to getting better at things in life.
01:12:56.000 It's not always fun.
01:12:59.000 And this is what people have to understand.
01:13:01.000 You're not always going to enjoy what you do if you have a process.
01:13:05.000 I'm doing my best here, Joe.
01:13:06.000 Sorry.
01:13:07.000 Yeah, you're doing great.
01:13:08.000 The process at the end of it, though, is what you're looking for.
01:13:11.000 You're looking for results.
01:13:12.000 And if you want to...
01:13:13.000 The people that can get results are the ones that can go through the most difficulty.
01:13:17.000 Well, I think, yeah, that thing of what you...
01:13:19.000 And then you just sort of enjoy...
01:13:21.000 I don't know.
01:13:22.000 I think...
01:13:23.000 That thing of ambition, like, the process is so enjoyable.
01:13:28.000 The process of, like, becoming a better comic is such a joyful experience where you just go, at the end of every show, I take out a, nope.
01:13:38.000 pad and try new jokes and you just go that iteration of like getting better and you know for a new one works it's the most exciting thing in the world yeah just absolutely love it and you kind of go and it's uh i forget if it's tealick or anti-tealick i don't really know what that but it's a task without end it's just you keep on doing this thing yes and it's just and you just there's no end in sight you there's no it's not like you're arriving at this perfect state yeah it's the i suppose i'm
01:14:08.000 It's the idea that it's kind of messy, but it's lovely to kind of, you feel yourself progressing.
01:14:13.000 And you should enjoy the process.
01:14:16.000 The process of uncomfortable feelings and a little bit of...
01:14:21.000 Pre-show anxiety and then doing the show and then things go great or things go badly.
01:14:27.000 Sometimes things go badly is even better because then it forces you to really intensely look at the set and like, okay, why did that joke bomb?
01:14:36.000 What went wrong here?
01:14:38.000 What is it about it that it's...
01:14:39.000 Let me deconstruct this thing.
01:14:41.000 Do I have...
01:14:42.000 Have I been doing it this way out of habit?
01:14:44.000 I think there's something in the idea that's worked before, so what is wrong?
01:14:47.000 And it'll make you, like, put much, much more attention to a thing.
01:14:51.000 Yeah, I think that, well, I think that thing in comedy, like, failure is your friend.
01:14:56.000 Oh, yeah.
01:14:57.000 Failure is, you kind of, you make friends with it and you're kind of okay with it.
01:15:00.000 Yeah.
01:15:01.000 And then in life, it's like you're able to take chances and kind of mess things up and go, it's all right, give it another go.
01:15:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:15:08.000 That's the martial arts thing. 0.68
01:15:09.000 We win or we learn.
01:15:11.000 Yeah.
01:15:12.000 When you win, you kind of learn that the process is going well, you know, that you have competence.
01:15:18.000 You're good at it now.
01:15:20.000 And then it motivates you to continue the process.
01:15:23.000 But losing is like so horrible.
01:15:26.000 That you have to completely reassess what you're doing.
01:15:30.000 And oftentimes you amp up your intensity and amp up your dedication because you don't want to feel the pain of losing again.
01:15:36.000 The same with a bombing set.
01:15:38.000 If I look back on my early career in comedy, some of the big leaps I had was after horrific bombings.
01:15:45.000 Right.
01:15:46.000 You have like a year in or so.
01:15:48.000 You have a horrific bombing and then you go, oh my god, I might not even be able to do this.
01:15:52.000 I got to really fucking focus.
01:15:54.000 Because Brian Simpson said something really funny the other night in the green room.
01:15:57.000 He said, the thing about being a comedian is you can't be a shitty boss and a shitty employee.
01:16:03.000 Oh.
01:16:04.000 Yeah.
01:16:05.000 I was like, oh, you just nailed it.
01:16:08.000 Brian's one of those guys.
01:16:09.000 He drops those gems like that.
01:16:11.000 He'll just like out of nowhere.
01:16:13.000 You've got to always listen when that guy is ready to drop a gem.
01:16:17.000 That's a gem.
01:16:18.000 Because as a comic, no one's telling you what to do.
01:16:21.000 You're responsible for yourself.
01:16:23.000 I did Kill Tony last night with Tony Hinchcliffe, who's at once the meanest motherfucker in the world.
01:16:31.000 And also the kindest man in comedy.
01:16:34.000 Because you look at the careers that he's launching.
01:16:37.000 Every three, four weeks, he's launching a new name.
01:16:40.000 And then they're touring.
01:16:41.000 And they're playing clubs, and they're having a great time.
01:16:43.000 And it's that thing of, like, you can't beat your environment.
01:16:47.000 So to be around people, not just that you like, but that you want to be like.
01:16:52.000 Sure.
01:16:53.000 So you're creating this little thing, this little space.
01:16:56.000 And the mothership's got this little community around it now of people that they want to get better, and they're looking around.
01:17:03.000 And you came here because Ron White was here, right?
01:17:07.000 I mean, in no small part.
01:17:09.000 A big part.
01:17:10.000 And then...
01:17:10.000 You built this thing, and it's a field of dreams.
01:17:14.000 Look how many people are coming, and I'm very excited to see in 20 years who comes out of this scene.
01:17:21.000 I actually flew in on Sunday to go down and see Chappelle, so I went to see his new club in Yellow Springs.
01:17:27.000 I heard it's great.
01:17:28.000 I mean, it's insane.
01:17:30.000 But that club only exists when he's there, right?
01:17:33.000 Yeah, I think it's...
01:17:34.000 I think it's only like he runs shows when he wants to run shows.
01:17:37.000 I think it's going to become...
01:17:39.000 Something more than that.
01:17:40.000 Eventually.
01:17:40.000 I think that's what he's...
01:17:41.000 He's planted a seed there.
01:17:43.000 And I think it's going to grow.
01:17:43.000 Yeah.
01:17:45.000 And it's a small town, but it's a town with a lot of pull.
01:17:48.000 It's almost too beautiful a town, Yellow Springs.
01:17:51.000 You kind of walk through and go...
01:17:53.000 It's like the Stepford Wives. 1.00
01:17:54.000 It's like so perfect.
01:17:56.000 You know who he's got playing this weekend?
01:17:58.000 The whole of the Wu-Tang Clan.
01:17:58.000 Who?
01:18:01.000 It's a 220-seater, okay?
01:18:04.000 I think it may be one of the few occasions where more people are on stage than off stage.
01:18:09.000 The audience may be smaller than the band.
01:18:12.000 Yeah, Wu-Tang can stack it in there.
01:18:14.000 That should be wild.
01:18:16.000 That'd be amazing.
01:18:18.000 Yeah, but that's Dave.
01:18:19.000 But he draws people.
01:18:21.000 He's a magnet, you know?
01:18:23.000 He really is.
01:18:24.000 Yeah, he's a beautiful person.
01:18:25.000 Very, very unusual human being.
01:18:27.000 I don't know anybody like him.
01:18:28.000 No, he's a...
01:18:29.000 He's a unique...
01:18:30.000 Well, as are you.
01:18:31.000 You're non-fungible human beings.
01:18:34.000 There's no one else you go.
01:18:35.000 He's a bit like that.
01:18:36.000 No, it's just his own thing.
01:18:38.000 It's a wonderful thing.
01:18:39.000 There's a real, I think in comedy, that thing where we're out for ourselves, but in it together.
01:18:48.000 Alan Havey told me that.
01:18:48.000 Yeah.
01:18:50.000 I remember thinking, it's kind of true because we're all in this business and there's like a...
01:18:50.000 That's great.
01:18:54.000 Sometimes you see comics arguing or, you know, shit-talking other comics online or something.
01:18:59.000 You go, what are you doing?
01:19:00.000 There's the narcissism of small differences where people go, oh, I don't like his observational stuff or he's hacky or something.
01:19:08.000 You go, we're all in the same business.
01:19:10.000 Yeah, most of those people are just jealous.
01:19:12.000 That's just a pettiness. 0.97
01:19:13.000 It's always people that they think of.
01:19:16.000 Success that they don't deserve.
01:19:17.000 No one ever hates you for doing worse than them.
01:19:19.000 Exactly.
01:19:20.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:19:21.000 It's all silly.
01:19:22.000 It's really silly.
01:19:23.000 It's foolish.
01:19:24.000 And unfortunately, some of them are good comics, too, that are doing it.
01:19:26.000 But they don't have any friends.
01:19:28.000 They're islands, right?
01:19:30.000 And one of the ways that I describe comics, I go, you're either a village or an island.
01:19:34.000 and villages do way better than islands.
01:19:37.000 So an island is a man on his own out there that does his own shows and has an opening act and doesn't hang out with comics.
01:19:45.000 There's a lot of those guys, and unfortunately they have the same opening act that that guy, that becomes his job.
01:19:51.000 He's just an opening act now, and he only works when he works with the headliner, and then they travel around the country, Well, this is what...
01:20:04.000 You know, the great thing you've done is thrown down a rope bridge.
01:20:08.000 You're up there and you throw down the bridge and you bring people with you.
01:20:11.000 Well, what we did is create a real workshop.
01:20:15.000 In a real community where there's an actual path, like there's a path from open mic night, which we have two nights a week, to becoming a door person where you can get spots occasionally and you'll be watched by the best talent coordinator in the world.
01:20:30.000 Adam Egan?
01:20:31.000 Adam Egan.
01:20:32.000 He's the best.
01:20:33.000 He's in Hawaii this week.
01:20:33.000 He's the best.
01:20:34.000 I'm missing him.
01:20:36.000 Well, he'll be back.
01:20:37.000 No, he's coming to London to see Oasis with me.
01:20:39.000 Oh, is he really?
01:20:40.000 That should be incredible.
01:20:40.000 Oh, wow.
01:20:42.000 Don't they hate each other?
01:20:43.000 They hate each other with their touring together?
01:20:45.000 The Gallagher's?
01:20:46.000 Yeah, but I think there's a lot of money.
01:20:48.000 There's an amount of money you can put down and go, you should get Noel on this show.
01:20:52.000 I would love to.
01:20:53.000 Noel is so fun.
01:20:55.000 I love them.
01:20:55.000 He's so fun.
01:20:56.000 I love them.
01:20:57.000 So, back to the mothership, the thing about it is we set it up.
01:21:03.000 To be a place where people can develop and show them a path and then there's Kill Tony which is the perfect anchor of the entire community because with Kill Tony you get to watch people that Do their first time ever on stage or maybe they came from Seattle,
01:21:20.000 they've been kind of struggling for five years and they do a one minute on stage and all of a sudden they get a golden ticket and then all of a sudden they become a regular on the show and then all of a sudden they're selling out all over the country and then you're in this group of people that are like really enthusiastic about this art form that I think is one of the most underappreciated yet very respected and very loved art forms.
01:21:40.000 It's really paradoxical.
01:21:42.000 Because on one hand, it's dismissed as being like a bunch of fools.
01:21:45.000 And on the other hand, it's like everybody wants to go see a good one.
01:21:48.000 Yeah, who's it dismissed by?
01:21:50.000 I mean, it is that thing where you go, it's...
01:21:52.000 I think because it's...
01:21:54.000 A sense of humor is...
01:21:56.000 There's that great old quote of laughter is the shortest distance between two people.
01:22:01.000 I think there's a real connection to comics because you laugh with your friends and your family and you laugh with this comedian.
01:22:07.000 And if you think about friendship, I think about friendship like...
01:22:14.000 Like, if you sit next to someone on a plane, you've got a lot of filters.
01:22:14.000 Filters.
01:22:17.000 You chat about the weather or the local sports team, whatever.
01:22:17.000 Right.
01:22:19.000 And then you get really close to someone, you've got no filters.
01:22:21.000 Your best friend of the world is a guy you've got no filters with.
01:22:24.000 I think comedy's not respected because most people can talk.
01:22:27.000 And most people are funny occasionally.
01:22:29.000 So they think, I could do it.
01:22:30.000 But most people can't hit a fastball.
01:22:33.000 Most people can't play tennis like a professional.
01:22:35.000 Most people can't do that.
01:22:36.000 So you watch someone do that and you go, I can't even do that.
01:22:38.000 But you see someone on stage talking, you're like, I could talk.
01:22:41.000 What's so hard about that?
01:22:43.000 I just have to figure out the right words to say, and I could be Jimmy Carr.
01:22:46.000 Right.
01:22:46.000 Right?
01:22:47.000 Because everybody can talk.
01:22:48.000 I think that's part of the problem.
01:22:49.000 That's why it doesn't get appreciated the same way music gets appreciated.
01:22:52.000 So if there's plagiarism in music, there's so many songs where a lick in the song, just one thing about the song, and then the people, like Bittersweet Symphony, they had to give all their money to the Rolling Stones.
01:23:09.000 They didn't make any money from that song.
01:23:11.000 The weirder one was the, was it blurred lines?
01:23:15.000 And it wasn't even that it was the same, it was the same feel as a Marvin Gaye song.
01:23:20.000 Same feel seems like a stretch.
01:23:22.000 I don't remember that one.
01:23:24.000 I thought they did decide that it was like the beats were copied.
01:23:28.000 But, you know, I've talked to friends that are musicians and like, listen, there's only so many different ways you can put together a beat and rhythms.
01:23:35.000 It's like you're going to get similarities all the time.
01:23:39.000 And it doesn't necessarily mean that it's plagiarism.
01:23:42.000 But plagiarism in comedies, like, outwardly dismissed.
01:23:46.000 Like, there's no lawsuits.
01:23:48.000 But yet, comedians...
01:23:49.000 No, it's self-policing, though.
01:23:50.000 It's self-policing.
01:23:51.000 It's like, if someone does that, you go, I mean...
01:23:53.000 Now?
01:23:54.000 I think that's the first time I ever saw you, was calling out...
01:23:56.000 Yeah, but before that, a lot of people got away with it, man.
01:24:00.000 A lot of people built careers off of plagiarism.
01:24:03.000 Well, even the great Robin Williams had that reputation.
01:24:06.000 Yeah, he did.
01:24:07.000 Because it was doing kind of this other thing.
01:24:10.000 I don't know.
01:24:11.000 Well, it's like when you're just freeballing and you get stuck, you just take somebody else's stuff.
01:24:15.000 And back then, there was no internet, so there's no accountability.
01:24:18.000 I think that's just the big part of this equation, is the internet comes along.
01:24:23.000 And there's been so many instances of a comedian's career now, like, really fucking crashing because the internet sleuths.
01:24:32.000 They start looking at it, and they go, no, no, no, this came from that.
01:24:35.000 That came from this.
01:24:37.000 Her special here is like, this is his bit.
01:24:40.000 This is her bit. 0.90
01:24:41.000 This is all plagiarized and just reworked horse shit.
01:24:45.000 The way you can tell is when they have another special after they've been called out, and then it's horrible.
01:24:52.000 Right.
01:24:52.000 There's just no content.
01:24:54.000 Well, it's that thing of like, you have to give the world irrefutable proof you are who you say you are.
01:24:59.000 You know, if it's one joke, fine.
01:25:01.000 If it's 10,000 jokes, you go, okay, this is something.
01:25:03.000 I mean, we spoke about this last time, that thing of, because I'm working on a thing with my friend Amanda Baker and Abby Grant.
01:25:09.000 They came and they taught at the mothership.
01:25:11.000 Yes.
01:25:12.000 Because we're trying to work on this book about like teaching comedy in the same way that people teach music, like having a language of it and taking some of the alchemy, And the mystery away from that.
01:25:24.000 And sort of thinking about, well, what really, you know, not to say that it's like something AI can do or a machine can do, but the idea of like teaching people the structure.
01:25:36.000 Of it.
01:25:37.000 So it's less kind of, you know, hey, it just comes to me on stage.
01:25:40.000 Maybe codifying it a little bit more.
01:25:40.000 Right.
01:25:42.000 And I mean, I'm working with these two incredible women, Abby Grant and Amanda Baker, on the book, and it's taken a long time.
01:25:48.000 But I do think it's something that if you could teach it in schools, the idea of comedy, even as opposed to music, which is wonderful to learn, and you appreciate music much more if you've ever given the guitar a go, because you can appreciate what they're doing.
01:26:02.000 But the idea of comedy is being taught because you go, Well, you have to write down and order your thoughts.
01:26:08.000 That's a value.
01:26:09.000 You have to learn how to communicate and speak publicly.
01:26:12.000 That's a value.
01:26:13.000 And then you're speaking in your authentic voice.
01:26:16.000 And that's the saddest thing.
01:26:17.000 Most people live and die and they never speak in their own authentic voice.
01:26:22.000 It's a great thing to give kids, I think.
01:26:25.000 I think it'd be a great thing to, you know, if it was an after-school activity, I would sign my kids up.
01:26:29.000 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely value to it.
01:26:32.000 And even if you don't have that style of comedy, like a joke-writing style, even if you're more of a storyteller, like a Ron White type where you tell stories, there's always value in learning different techniques to craft material and craft jokes.
01:26:46.000 But I look at what Ron does.
01:26:48.000 I mean, my love language is the one-liner.
01:26:50.000 I like jokes, and it's quite old-fashioned in a way.
01:26:54.000 You know, it's a very old-fashioned kind of way, and it's less about my life.
01:26:57.000 You're like a folk singer.
01:26:58.000 Yeah.
01:27:00.000 But then I'm trying to...
01:27:01.000 I've got a good fastball, and then I'm trying to work on the other bits.
01:27:05.000 But that's kind of what I love about the industry, because it's...
01:27:08.000 It's everything.
01:27:09.000 You go, yeah, I can get good at that, and then I can do, like, 20 minutes of fastballs, and then do...
01:27:09.000 It's all kinds of different styles.
01:27:14.000 I started...
01:27:15.000 About a year ago, I started putting...
01:27:17.000 I started working with a videographer and putting stuff out of, like, heckle videos and people talking to me.
01:27:22.000 Yeah, I've noticed those.
01:27:23.000 And you go, it's just such a...
01:27:26.000 It's a joyful thing because it's almost like doing the stuff when you go, just hit me whatever you want.
01:27:30.000 I'll do anything.
01:27:31.000 It's like seeing a magician do real magic because you kind of go, yeah, I've worked this muscle hard enough.
01:27:38.000 I'll write jokes live for you now.
01:27:40.000 Have you done Bottom of the Barrel?
01:27:42.000 What's Bottom of the Barrel?
01:27:42.000 No.
01:27:43.000 Bottom of the Barrel's Brian Simpson show at the Mothership where you have a whiskey barrel and you reach your hand into the whiskey barrel to pull out suggestions for topics.
01:27:52.000 Oh, okay.
01:27:53.000 Didn't Paul Provenza used to have a set list?
01:27:57.000 Do you remember that?
01:27:58.000 There was a set list, yeah, but that was not provided by the audience, I don't believe.
01:28:01.000 No, that was like, and it was a bit hat on a hat, like sometimes it'd be just crazy things.
01:28:06.000 But it was...
01:28:07.000 There's been a bunch of different versions of that.
01:28:09.000 There was another one, Stand Up on the Spot.
01:28:12.000 There was an L.A. one where you had the audience raise their hand and come up with it.
01:28:17.000 But the problem with that one is then you encourage people to just yell out.
01:28:21.000 And so while you're in the middle of talking about something, someone else will yell out a different subject because they're just greedy and they just don't want it.
01:28:27.000 You know what I mean?
01:28:28.000 You have to have a good audience.
01:28:30.000 Participation in that one.
01:28:32.000 But again, that thing of going, it's performative being in the audience.
01:28:35.000 Yes.
01:28:36.000 I always think that thing with hecklers.
01:28:38.000 There's more hecklers in the UK.
01:28:40.000 When you travel around the world, so I'm touring everywhere, all over America, UK, Australia, New Zealand, every territory.
01:28:47.000 And you notice different places have different traditions when it comes to heckling.
01:28:51.000 That's the biggest thing you notice when you travel.
01:28:53.000 In North America, people are very slow to shout out during a show because they think they're...
01:28:58.000 Am I spoiling the show?
01:28:59.000 Am I ruining this?
01:29:00.000 And I actively encourage...
01:29:02.000 Like, I don't mind if it's a little bit aggressive because we're all in service of the evening.
01:29:06.000 Right.
01:29:06.000 We're all in service of, like, I don't mind if you win.
01:29:09.000 Well, that's confusing for the audience because some people don't want any heckles.
01:29:13.000 Yeah, sometimes it is like a...
01:29:14.000 Some comics just want to...
01:29:15.000 They have a set and they want to just perform their set.
01:29:18.000 Yeah, I know.
01:29:18.000 I like it when people...
01:29:19.000 Like, no one wants someone to talk over their punchline.
01:29:22.000 That's a problem, though, because you're going into an agreement with a bunch of drunks.
01:29:27.000 And a lot of them are just, you know, they're not that smart in the first place.
01:29:31.000 And so they don't even understand when to yell out.
01:29:34.000 And so they're yelling out while you're in the middle of something else.
01:29:36.000 Yeah.
01:29:37.000 I mean, I'm very lucky with...
01:29:39.000 I suppose it's that thing with you can, you know, it's self-selecting.
01:29:44.000 Your audience come and they find you and it's...
01:29:47.000 Sure.
01:29:47.000 But sometimes crazy people just show up at your audience.
01:29:50.000 Oh, my God.
01:29:51.000 If I had to compile...
01:29:53.000 Maybe I should compile a video of me kicking people out at shows.
01:29:56.000 Well, now they know you do that, too, so they probably look forward to doing it with you.
01:30:00.000 And so you get kind of the wrong kind of people that are encouraged to yell shit out.
01:30:05.000 No, I get pretty good.
01:30:07.000 Most of the time.
01:30:08.000 I get pretty good, because I always think, well, that's like schizophrenics. 0.99
01:30:10.000 What's the percentage?
01:30:11.000 It's only like 1%.
01:30:13.000 Yeah, I don't know if they're buying tickets.
01:30:14.000 They should buy two tickets, shouldn't they?
01:30:17.000 I don't think they think they're two different people.
01:30:20.000 One for each personality.
01:30:21.000 I think schizophrenia is just like your connection to the world is frayed.
01:30:25.000 Yeah.
01:30:26.000 Jesus.
01:30:27.000 There but for the grace of God.
01:30:28.000 Yeah, we don't even understand what that feels like.
01:30:30.000 And, you know, there's a guy who was schizophrenic that as the disease progressed, he was an artist.
01:30:37.000 And as his disease progressed, you could see his art getting fucking weirder and weirder and more abstract and distorted.
01:30:46.000 It's the most horrifying thing.
01:30:47.000 It's one of the most.
01:30:49.000 There's a bunch of really horrifying ones.
01:30:52.000 Lou Gehrig's disease.
01:30:53.000 There's a bunch of different things that you just go, fuck.
01:30:57.000 Again, gratitude.
01:30:58.000 Just be happy that you don't have that.
01:31:01.000 And that's another good, solid reason to try to take care of your physical body.
01:31:06.000 Yeah.
01:31:07.000 Make that bitch work for you. 1.00
01:31:08.000 Yeah, 100%.
01:31:09.000 Don't have it fucking malfunctioning.
01:31:12.000 If you can avoid it.
01:31:13.000 I think kind of food is the thing as well.
01:31:15.000 Food is the medicine before medicine.
01:31:17.000 Like just try and...
01:31:18.000 It's hard on the road.
01:31:19.000 It is.
01:31:21.000 The best way to do it on the road for me is carnivore.
01:31:24.000 I just only eat meat when I'm on the road.
01:31:26.000 Well, I do that most of the time anyway.
01:31:28.000 But when I'm on the road, it makes everything so much simpler.
01:31:30.000 Just mostly just eat meat.
01:31:32.000 Are you traveling much at the moment?
01:31:34.000 No.
01:31:34.000 Are you on the road much?
01:31:35.000 No, even when I did my last special, my Netflix special, I prepared for it entirely at my own club.
01:31:40.000 And then I hadn't done any theaters at all in like a year and a half.
01:31:44.000 And I did the first Friday night at the theater.
01:31:46.000 I'm like, oh, it was different.
01:31:47.000 Because instead of doing like 200 people, I was doing thousands.
01:31:51.000 I was like, this is weird.
01:31:52.000 Like the timing's different.
01:31:53.000 But I'm like, oh, okay, good.
01:31:55.000 I got it back.
01:31:56.000 I figured it out.
01:31:56.000 The timing's different in like, I often go from theater.
01:32:01.000 Arena time is way different.
01:32:03.000 I tell you what, I got it from Chappelle.
01:32:04.000 I was out in Australia on tour last time and I had like one night off.
01:32:09.000 And Chappelle was in town that night.
01:32:10.000 So I said, well, I'll go up with you.
01:32:12.000 So I went up and he had it in the round.
01:32:14.000 Yeah, that's how I do it too.
01:32:16.000 It's so genius because it's like the thrill of...
01:32:19.000 I don't want to say never, but I may never be a professional boxer.
01:32:24.000 There, I said it.
01:32:26.000 But walking into the...
01:32:28.000 It's like walking into a ring because you've got security around you and you have to walk through the audience onto the stage and up the steps.
01:32:34.000 It's so thrilling.
01:32:35.000 And then you put the screens above.
01:32:36.000 And even in a 10,000-seater, no one's more than 2,000 seats back kind of thing.
01:32:42.000 So everyone's got a great seat and you're kind of rotating.
01:32:46.000 I just love it.
01:32:48.000 It's also intimate in a weird way because the people are seeing the other people on the other side of them.
01:32:48.000 It's incredible.
01:32:53.000 Which never happens.
01:32:54.000 And they're seeing people laughing.
01:32:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:32:56.000 I hadn't thought of that, but they're seeing people laughing and it's that thing of going, okay, well, we're all, it's like an event where we're having fun together.
01:33:02.000 It's great.
01:33:03.000 It's the best way to do comedy.
01:33:04.000 It is although the timing that changes when you go, okay, it's a theater and it's like even a thousand seats.
01:33:11.000 I know it's in the UK sometimes like you've got to, like the Palladium is my favorite place to play, right?
01:33:15.000 The Palladium is a theater that was built 120 years ago.
01:33:19.000 Wow.
01:33:19.000 So the fire regulations 120 years ago were, Yeah, I hope no one dies.
01:33:25.000 That was the fire regs.
01:33:26.000 Good luck.
01:33:27.000 If there's a fire, I guess leave.
01:33:27.000 There's doors.
01:33:30.000 So it's tight.
01:33:31.000 It's like it's 2,200 people, but they're close to you.
01:33:35.000 And then sometimes you go to a place that was built two years ago, and it's beautiful and air-conditioned, but the people are so far away because the seats and the aisles and everything's been built for safety.
01:33:45.000 So it's like you'd never get it.
01:33:45.000 Yeah.
01:33:47.000 You couldn't build one of those now.
01:33:48.000 Yeah.
01:33:50.000 It was better when they're all on top of you.
01:33:53.000 Yeah, but then people died in fires.
01:33:55.000 Well, you've always got to look at the negatives.
01:33:58.000 They should have a way to open the wall in case of a fire.
01:34:01.000 It should be a hinge.
01:34:02.000 We should just push the wall down and everybody could just run out real quick.
01:34:05.000 That's not a bad idea.
01:34:07.000 You know what they do with the battleship when they let the tanks out the back of them?
01:34:07.000 Can you engineer that in there?
01:34:11.000 Yeah.
01:34:12.000 How about that?
01:34:13.000 That's a good idea.
01:34:14.000 Yeah, like a big old aircraft carrier.
01:34:17.000 Drop it.
01:34:19.000 Yeah.
01:34:20.000 Or fucking fire extinguishers everywhere, like in the wall, everywhere.
01:34:26.000 Spray water on people.
01:34:27.000 Yeah, just under every seat.
01:34:29.000 All over the ceiling.
01:34:31.000 I mean, they do have that in some places where it's dangerous.
01:34:34.000 You know, they have fire sprinklers that are built into the wall.
01:34:39.000 I feel like we're getting close to the old bit of the, you know, that black box thing they have on airplanes where it crashes.
01:34:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:34:47.000 Everyone had the observation of, just build the plane out of that.
01:34:50.000 Right.
01:34:51.000 What's that made of?
01:34:54.000 How about parachutes for planes?
01:34:55.000 How about one of those?
01:34:56.000 Is that hard to do?
01:34:58.000 Parachutes for planes?
01:34:59.000 Yeah.
01:35:00.000 We're having some big ideas.
01:35:02.000 How much would it cost?
01:35:04.000 How much would it cost to have a big fucking parachute at the top of the plane?
01:35:07.000 Where if shit goes totally sideways, pull it.
01:35:11.000 Float down to the ground.
01:35:12.000 Is that possible?
01:35:13.000 Is that an incredibly dumb idea or is that genius?
01:35:15.000 It's both.
01:35:16.000 It's both.
01:35:18.000 I'm sure somebody else has thought of it.
01:35:21.000 You know?
01:35:23.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 That seems...
01:35:25.000 I mean, don't they have something like that on Air Force One?
01:35:27.000 Where, like, if the plane's going down, the president can get into a little compartment and it ejects?
01:35:32.000 Is that real or is that, like, some movie shit?
01:35:35.000 That might be some movie shit.
01:35:37.000 See if that's real.
01:35:38.000 I think there might be.
01:35:39.000 It feels like some movie shit, but...
01:35:41.000 That sounds like a good idea.
01:35:43.000 Like, what if Air Force One goes down?
01:35:44.000 Like, this was the online chatter about the president getting a plane from Qatar.
01:35:53.000 He got a gift of a plane.
01:35:54.000 Yeah, supposedly.
01:35:55.000 Like, Air Force One does not have an escape pod in the real world.
01:36:00.000 In the movie Air Force One.
01:36:03.000 Can we confirm, is this the real world?
01:36:06.000 Because maybe this is...
01:36:08.000 We think it is.
01:36:09.000 As far as how we're acting, yeah, this is the real world to us.
01:36:12.000 What do you think about simulation theory?
01:36:14.000 I think it's more likely every day.
01:36:17.000 The more time goes on, the more I think it's likely.
01:36:21.000 I really like it.
01:36:22.000 Is this a plane with a parachute?
01:36:24.000 Is this a plane with a parachute?
01:36:25.000 Did you just manifest this?
01:36:29.000 How did this...
01:36:30.000 Parachutes planes.
01:36:31.000 He googled it.
01:36:31.000 It's pretty dope.
01:36:32.000 So has this guy used this before?
01:36:34.000 I don't.
01:36:35.000 That doesn't seem like it's happened, but they're maybe testing.
01:36:40.000 Seems like a dangerous test, too, because you have to wreck a plane if it doesn't work.
01:36:43.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:36:44.000 Yeah.
01:36:45.000 How would you test one of those?
01:36:45.000 All right.
01:36:46.000 You'd have to have a bunch of planes.
01:36:48.000 Oh, look.
01:36:48.000 They did test it.
01:36:49.000 Is that real or is that AI?
01:36:51.000 That's real.
01:36:52.000 Yeah.
01:36:52.000 Oh, it seems real.
01:36:54.000 Oh.
01:36:55.000 So you just need a real big one.
01:36:56.000 A big one for a jumbo jet.
01:36:58.000 It's still going to be a bump.
01:36:59.000 It's going to be a bump when you land.
01:36:59.000 Let's go.
01:37:00.000 Yeah, it's not...
01:37:01.000 I mean, better that than a ball of flame.
01:37:03.000 What the fuck?
01:37:04.000 Are you not going to land and then have a ball of...
01:37:06.000 You might.
01:37:06.000 Well...
01:37:07.000 Let's give it a go.
01:37:07.000 Hey, listen.
01:37:08.000 Yeah, give it a go.
01:37:09.000 Maybe you could jettison all the fuel on the way down so you could soak people's homes with jet fuel so that it just bounces and there's no fuel in it to start a giant, enormous fire.
01:37:21.000 There's a reason we're not in charge of this.
01:37:24.000 It's coming down.
01:37:25.000 Look at that!
01:37:25.000 What the hell?
01:37:26.000 It worked!
01:37:27.000 It worked!
01:37:28.000 I do not like the nose-down approach.
01:37:34.000 That's taken like four parking spaces.
01:37:36.000 You just see two puddles on the windshield from the pilots.
01:37:40.000 Yeah, it's not great.
01:37:41.000 Okay, simulation theory.
01:37:43.000 I like thinking about it because I kind of go, I've got such a crazy life.
01:37:49.000 How could it be real?
01:37:50.000 I'm sitting here with you.
01:37:51.000 I was with Chappelle on Sunday.
01:37:54.000 Woody Harrelson came to the show last night.
01:37:56.000 I know him a little bit from London.
01:37:58.000 I was going, this feels like a cartoon.
01:38:00.000 It doesn't feel real somehow.
01:38:03.000 And yet you go, well, it's an interesting way to think about the world because you go, well, if this is a game, what's the scorecard?
01:38:10.000 How do you win?
01:38:12.000 And it kind of makes you think about, well, what's important in your life?
01:38:14.000 What's the measurable and immeasurable metrics?
01:38:18.000 I often think about those, like, There's CV, resume points.
01:38:24.000 And then there's eulogy points.
01:38:27.000 And often those things kind of conflict.
01:38:30.000 You know, like the things that we, you know, career-wise, you could have a great career.
01:38:33.000 But if you don't have kids and a family, who's doing the eulogy?
01:38:38.000 Who's speaking for you?
01:38:40.000 What are the things that really matter?
01:38:42.000 Well, I think there's people that are great people that don't have kids and a family, but they have a lot of good friends.
01:38:46.000 Yeah, but I mean that's...
01:38:47.000 And they die and the people are going to miss them.
01:38:48.000 Oh my god, yeah.
01:38:49.000 I don't think it's a total requirement to be an actualized human being, to have children.
01:38:56.000 But I think it's definitely benefited me.
01:38:59.000 But I used to hate it when people would say, like, you know, until you have kids, you don't know what the world is all about.
01:39:05.000 Like, okay, for you.
01:39:06.000 Like, how do I know what you've gone through?
01:39:08.000 How do I know your perspective?
01:39:09.000 I had kids very late.
01:39:11.000 But there's a lot of people out there with children that are fools.
01:39:14.000 It's a nonsense way of living, of thinking, that you have to have kids.
01:39:18.000 And I think there's wonderful people that I know that are never going to have kids.
01:39:21.000 But that thing of...
01:39:22.000 You can still have...
01:39:22.000 It's fine.
01:39:24.000 Eulogy things.
01:39:25.000 Yeah.
01:39:26.000 Things that aren't necessarily...
01:39:28.000 It's not a scorecard.
01:39:29.000 It's not like, he made a hundred million dollars.
01:39:31.000 He wins when he's dead.
01:39:33.000 Like, it doesn't matter.
01:39:34.000 Like, what did you do?
01:39:34.000 No one cares.
01:39:35.000 Like, how did you treat people?
01:39:37.000 How did you live your life?
01:39:39.000 What kind of an impact did you have on your fellow man?
01:39:41.000 Like, when you interacted with people, do they have a memorable experience with you?
01:39:46.000 Like, your friends and people you worked with.
01:39:49.000 Like, oh, do you know Jimmy used to always say, you know, and do you sit around talking about them?
01:39:53.000 I suppose it's that thing of, like, legacy now almost kind of is a secular religion for, like, what you leave behind.
01:40:01.000 Yeah.
01:40:02.000 Like, you sort of think of the afterlife.
01:40:06.000 You know, I don't really believe in an afterlife, but it's the kids.
01:40:10.000 Wouldn't you be stunned if it was real, though?
01:40:13.000 I mean, beyond stunned.
01:40:14.000 I don't believe in an afterlife, but I would be so fascinated to have...
01:40:23.000 Undeniable evidence.
01:40:24.000 Like, to pass through...
01:40:26.000 Like, imagine if you were one of those people that had a heart attack and died and had one of those really crazy near-death experiences and then came back.
01:40:34.000 I think there's that near-death...
01:40:35.000 Clear!
01:40:35.000 The near-death experience is available to everyone in the form of DMT.
01:40:40.000 Because everyone has the same experience of this...
01:40:40.000 Right.
01:40:43.000 another realm, another world beyond If it is...
01:40:48.000 Maybe that's it.
01:40:49.000 I mean, that might be it.
01:40:49.000 Yeah.
01:40:51.000 That might be it.
01:40:52.000 It seems familiar.
01:40:53.000 That's the weirdest part about it.
01:40:55.000 It seems familiar.
01:40:56.000 It seems more real than here.
01:40:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:40:58.000 So it makes you wonder, like, what is this that we're doing?
01:41:02.000 I have a feeling that what I said before is correct about the electronic caterpillar becoming the butterfly.
01:41:10.000 I think there's a bunch of different factors.
01:41:14.000 That are leading us to expand technologically.
01:41:18.000 I think it's the primary thing that we do as a species.
01:41:21.000 I think we're probably, that's what we're designed for.
01:41:24.000 Just like bees make beehives and ants make anthills, I think the curiosity of the human animal is always going to lead them to an artificial intelligence that's far superior than its own, just eventually, ultimately.
01:41:37.000 It just takes a long-ass time.
01:41:39.000 Well, I mean, you say a long time, but I mean, really, when did this start?
01:41:43.000 Hundreds of thousands of years ago.
01:41:45.000 It started with stone tools.
01:41:46.000 I mean, that's really what it is.
01:41:48.000 It's all technology, right?
01:41:49.000 Stone tools allowed us to kill things without using our teeth, and then we eventually figured out shelter, and then we figured out a way to maximize cooking things.
01:41:59.000 Cooking things, and then the amount, you know, our brains, you know, you're able to feed that.
01:42:02.000 So food's a huge part.
01:42:04.000 Like, what we're doing now...
01:42:11.000 There's different strains of Darwinian evolution, right?
01:42:15.000 So there's for survival, right?
01:42:17.000 And then there's reproductive.
01:42:20.000 And I think what we're doing now, speaking, I think is reproductive.
01:42:25.000 I think what we're doing is it's almost like peacock feathers, right?
01:42:28.000 So you go, feathers initially weren't for flight.
01:42:31.000 They were for display.
01:42:33.000 Really?
01:42:34.000 Well, that's the theory.
01:42:36.000 Well, how did feathers?
01:42:37.000 Because what was the point of a feather before it was for wings, for flying?
01:42:42.000 How would you get to that through evolution?
01:42:44.000 Well, actually, if it was for display first, if the peacock is using the feathers correctly, that was the original idea for display for mating.
01:42:52.000 And to show that I have so much extra energy, I'll be a good mate.
01:42:58.000 To show the female. 0.93
01:42:58.000 Right. 0.93
01:42:59.000 So much color and...
01:43:01.000 Vibrancy and stuff.
01:43:02.000 So why birds sing?
01:43:03.000 I've got this excess energy.
01:43:05.000 I'll be a good mate.
01:43:06.000 Okay, so that thing...
01:43:07.000 The weird thing is it came from dinosaurs, though.
01:43:10.000 Dinosaurs, they believe, are feathered now.
01:43:12.000 Yeah.
01:43:13.000 Yeah, so that's how dinosaurs were breeding, imagine?
01:43:16.000 Yeah.
01:43:17.000 Well, dinosaurs as well.
01:43:18.000 The theory on why they died out is interesting.
01:43:20.000 On the...
01:43:22.000 They used to...
01:43:23.000 So we randomly assign gender.
01:43:25.000 And they assign gender...
01:43:27.000 As on the basis of temperature.
01:43:31.000 So when the asteroid hit, the dust didn't kill all the dinosaurs.
01:43:36.000 What happened was every dinosaur was born female in the next generation because the temperature cooled.
01:43:42.000 Some lizards still do it.
01:43:44.000 They assign gender by what the temperature is.
01:43:46.000 So if the temperature falls, you go, right, okay, everyone's female. 0.96
01:43:49.000 And when the temperature's above a certain amount, everyone's male. 0.67
01:43:52.000 So there's a generation of all female or all male, whatever it was, dinosaurs.
01:43:56.000 What a flaw.
01:43:57.000 Yeah, but because the temperature we always assume is static, and we don't see the geological changes over time in temperature.
01:44:07.000 Well, I feel like the Yucatan meteor was like the inoculation from the universe.
01:44:12.000 They'd realize, like, this dinosaur thing is a fucking problem.
01:44:15.000 Like, no mammals are ever going to figure out how to make AI when you've got a 5,000-pound super lizard running around with a face the size of a VW bus with giant teeth on it.
01:44:29.000 We gotta fucking wipe these things out.
01:44:31.000 Is there another world where there's dinosaurs with AI?
01:44:34.000 Because if they're coming, we're fucked.
01:44:35.000 No, no.
01:44:36.000 The dinosaurs never get to AI.
01:44:38.000 You have to be super vulnerable to get to AI.
01:44:42.000 Like, you don't have a bunch of jack guys working at open AI.
01:44:45.000 You notice that?
01:44:46.000 Yeah, you have to be super vulnerable to get to AI.
01:44:49.000 Well, it's a weird thing.
01:44:50.000 You said earlier about the idea of, like, our competitive advantage, right?
01:44:54.000 You drop one guy in the jungle, you've fed the animals, drop 10 guys, and you have an apex predator, right?
01:45:00.000 Cooperation is our superpower.
01:45:00.000 Right.
01:45:03.000 And for me, cooperation is downstream of play.
01:45:08.000 Play is everything.
01:45:10.000 We're the playing animal.
01:45:11.000 Someone wrote a book about this in the 1930s, about how we are designed to play.
01:45:16.000 Our culture is about play, and kids play.
01:45:19.000 And you go, well, that cooperation is what leads to all of this.
01:45:23.000 And weirdly, the Catholic Church, I didn't say this earlier, but the Catholic Church has got a lot to be grateful for.
01:45:29.000 Because in the 12th century, the Catholic Church banned cousin marriage.
01:45:35.000 Really?
01:45:36.000 And the reason they did it...
01:45:37.000 Was because they realized the tribe was more important than the church and they hated that, right?
01:45:44.000 So the unintended consequence was they said you can't marry your cousin or your second cousin or your third cousin down to the sixth cousin.
01:45:51.000 Really?
01:45:52.000 And they broke the tribes.
01:45:54.000 Now when you break tribes, what happens?
01:45:57.000 Well, you form small family groups and then you have to trust people.
01:46:02.000 So trust builds.
01:46:04.000 And then from trust, you get guilds and associations and a legal system and everyone.
01:46:11.000 Because before that, it's like, well, you're a cousin.
01:46:14.000 It's family.
01:46:14.000 You trust him.
01:46:16.000 The royal family, right?
01:46:17.000 Back in the day.
01:46:18.000 Doomed the royal family.
01:46:20.000 You know we still got them.
01:46:21.000 Yeah, but I mean the old ones with the fucked up faces.
01:46:24.000 Yeah, with their no chin.
01:46:25.000 They look weird.
01:46:26.000 Yeah, no chin.
01:46:27.000 Just intermarriage, intermarriage, intermarriage. 0.99
01:46:29.000 So that's what was taken away.
01:46:31.000 So the unintended consequence of that was more cooperation and people had to get on with other people and there was like intermarriage.
01:46:37.000 That's interesting because that's a smart way of engineering a society and keep people from just being so tribal and insulated.
01:46:46.000 Yeah.
01:46:46.000 Yeah.
01:46:47.000 That's actually intelligent.
01:46:48.000 And that's the Catholic Church figured that out?
01:46:50.000 The Catholic Church.
01:46:51.000 Right after they got the priest to stop having sex.
01:46:54.000 The next move.
01:46:55.000 The next move.
01:46:56.000 Right after we stop fucking.
01:46:57.000 I have to really pee because I over-hydrated.
01:46:59.000 Let's pee and then we'll come back.
01:47:01.000 Okay.
01:47:02.000 Okay.
01:47:02.000 So you're just giving me a lesson on Catholicism and the benefits of play.
01:47:08.000 Do you know that that's one of the things they talk about in jiu-jitsu?
01:47:12.000 Like, keep it playful.
01:47:13.000 It's one of the things that they say, like the Gracies in particular.
01:47:16.000 They always talk about keeping it playful.
01:47:18.000 Keeping it playful is the way you learn the best.
01:47:21.000 Roger lives in London.
01:47:22.000 Yes.
01:47:23.000 He's incredible.
01:47:24.000 One of the greatest of all time.
01:47:25.000 I mean, it's an incredible thing, the jujitsu, because the idea that those guys just changed the game totally.
01:47:33.000 Yeah, they changed martial arts.
01:47:37.000 Martial arts has changed more since the invention of the UFC.
01:47:40.000 And the invention of the UFC was by Horry and Gracie.
01:47:43.000 Horry and Gracie invented the UFC.
01:47:45.000 And that was in 1993.
01:47:47.000 And since that time, martial arts have evolved more in these 30 years than they have in the past 30,000 years.
01:47:55.000 That's a fact.
01:47:56.000 Well, the thing that I love about it, I kind of want there to be an origination movie about the UFC.
01:48:03.000 Somebody don't fuck it up.
01:48:05.000 They'll fuck it up.
01:48:05.000 Yeah.
01:48:06.000 It's better to just have a documentary.
01:48:08.000 Yeah.
01:48:09.000 Well, that'd be it.
01:48:10.000 Yeah, but you don't want to have a movie.
01:48:12.000 Even a documentary, really, it should be like a Netflix series.
01:48:16.000 Because it's going to require...
01:48:17.000 I think I should star in it.
01:48:18.000 I could get jacked.
01:48:19.000 You could get jacked.
01:48:20.000 I mean, you could see this.
01:48:21.000 Get you the right people.
01:48:22.000 Sure.
01:48:22.000 Get you Tom Hardy's trainer.
01:48:23.000 Do you watch Mobland?
01:48:25.000 I'm learning a lot about your English gangs.
01:48:27.000 Oh, my friend Chris Dickey, who produced my movie, produced that as well.
01:48:31.000 Fuck, that's a good show.
01:48:32.000 Yeah.
01:48:33.000 I'm friends with Guy Ritchie, and I was...
01:48:34.000 Oh, nice.
01:48:35.000 He's the best.
01:48:36.000 Love him to death.
01:48:37.000 Has he been on this?
01:48:38.000 Yes.
01:48:38.000 Yeah, he's amazing.
01:48:40.000 He's a legitimate black belt, by the way.
01:48:42.000 Yeah.
01:48:42.000 Legitimate Jiu-Jitsu black belt under Henzo Gracie, which is, there's like certain levels of black belt.
01:48:49.000 There's a lot of great black belts that have their instructor you just haven't heard of because there's so many great black belts out there now.
01:48:56.000 But there's like...
01:48:59.000 Legendary instructors where you hear like a guy got a black belt from Hicks and Grace and you're like, oh shit, that's a real black belt.
01:49:05.000 You got a black belt from Henzo Grace, you're like, whoa.
01:49:08.000 But the interesting thing for me is like the pre the invention of that, the bullshit in the 80s.
01:49:17.000 Oh, yeah.
01:49:17.000 Because we're about the same age.
01:49:18.000 So it would have been that thing of like...
01:49:21.000 Like, Bruce Lee movies or The Drunken Master.
01:49:25.000 You ever see The Drunken Master?
01:49:26.000 Sure.
01:49:26.000 All those kind of movies.
01:49:28.000 And then I'd be, like, into martial arts and, like, watching those films.
01:49:32.000 Incredible movies.
01:49:33.000 And then there'd be such bullshit about, oh, there's this technique from this place and he can do...
01:49:39.000 And none of it was tested.
01:49:40.000 None of it was testable.
01:49:41.000 It was like, no, no, no.
01:49:43.000 It's like that great scene in Once Upon a Time in...
01:49:49.000 What's the Tarantino movie?
01:49:51.000 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with Bruce Lee.
01:49:53.000 Bruce Lee.
01:49:54.000 It's the funniest scene.
01:49:57.000 It's just so good.
01:49:58.000 But the bullshit that was talked about, the one-inch punch and all of that stuff.
01:50:02.000 And then it was like, oh no, we're really going to test this.
01:50:06.000 It met the real world.
01:50:08.000 Well, I came up in that era of bullshit.
01:50:11.000 There was bullshit guys that said they couldn't spar because they were too dangerous.
01:50:16.000 They could kill you.
01:50:17.000 And, you know, we would invite them to come and star.
01:50:19.000 But that's the great line in the Tarantino movie, isn't it?
01:50:21.000 Where he goes, these fists, if I kill a guy, it's murder.
01:50:26.000 Yeah, it's the same with everyone.
01:50:27.000 Well, the Bruce Lee thing is one of the things that I really didn't agree with.
01:50:35.000 I love Tarantino.
01:50:36.000 I'm a giant fan.
01:50:37.000 As a human being, I love him.
01:50:39.000 And as a director, I think he's the greatest of all time.
01:50:41.000 He has the most consistently exciting, groundbreaking, psychotic films.
01:50:47.000 I fucking love his movies.
01:50:48.000 He changed the way I consume media.
01:50:51.000 The problem is I know a lot about Bruce Lee.
01:50:53.000 And he wasn't like that.
01:50:54.000 He wasn't that arrogant guy.
01:50:56.000 And I just think he's misrepresented.
01:50:59.000 Yeah, there needs to be a great documentary on Bruce Lee.
01:51:02.000 I mean, there's plenty of stuff, but there needs to be a definitive documentary.
01:51:04.000 Like a, you know, Netflix put together, beautiful thing.
01:51:08.000 Because he was an icon.
01:51:10.000 Like, he was so incredible, Bruce Lee.
01:51:13.000 But, you know, Tarantino for me is godlike.
01:51:13.000 Yes.
01:51:17.000 Like, that movie, Cinema Speculation.
01:51:19.000 So I, you know, most people kind of do this thing if they watch new movies.
01:51:23.000 Because the dopamine of the new story.
01:51:25.000 And they listen to old music.
01:51:28.000 And I read that book, Cinema Speculation, and I went...
01:51:30.000 I'm going to just watch 70s movies.
01:51:32.000 And I just started watching the old movies.
01:51:35.000 Because you forget.
01:51:37.000 I mean, even if you have seen it, you've kind of...
01:51:39.000 If you saw it 30 years ago, you remember one moment.
01:51:42.000 You watch that and then listen to new music.
01:51:44.000 So you kind of flip.
01:51:45.000 The thing.
01:51:46.000 It's really good.
01:51:48.000 I'm really loving it.
01:51:49.000 I'm loving watching the old movies.
01:51:50.000 Oh, some of the old movies are fucking amazing.
01:51:52.000 The Quentin Tarantino book is just...
01:51:55.000 He's an incredible person.
01:51:56.000 They come along rarely where someone just has this very unique and fucking aggressive sight of their art.
01:52:04.000 It's a vision.
01:52:05.000 I put him up with Kubrick.
01:52:07.000 I think he's that genius.
01:52:09.000 Actually, I wanted to ask you about that.
01:52:11.000 The Kubrick thing.
01:52:12.000 I got told this fact.
01:52:14.000 Okay, so I got told this thing, and then I asked Tom Cruise about it.
01:52:14.000 What?
01:52:18.000 This is a good story.
01:52:20.000 You asked Tom Cruise about something?
01:52:21.000 Okay, so I met Tom Cruise at a friend's wedding, and I said, I had nothing to say to Tom Cruise.
01:52:26.000 Oh, I had so much to say.
01:52:27.000 I said, you made Eyes Wide Shut with Kubrick.
01:52:30.000 And he went, yeah, yeah, I did.
01:52:31.000 I said, I heard he shoots everything, he shot everything with NASA lenses.
01:52:39.000 So the reason he was able to shoot Barry Lyndon, you know the movie Barry Lyndon with Harvey Keitel?
01:52:44.000 Amazing movie.
01:52:45.000 I never saw it.
01:52:46.000 It's lit by candle.
01:52:48.000 There's no lights in that movie.
01:52:49.000 He shot it by candle.
01:52:51.000 And the reason he was able to make it was because he had the best lenses ever made by humans, which were the NASA lenses that they took to the moon landing.
01:53:00.000 So that was Hasselbad.
01:53:02.000 So...
01:53:03.000 Yeah, that's the company that made those cameras.
01:53:03.000 Hasselbad?
01:53:06.000 That's the camera, though, not the lens.
01:53:08.000 Who made the lens?
01:53:09.000 It says Zeiss Superspeed.
01:53:10.000 Okay, that makes sense.
01:53:12.000 Okay, so he had these lenses.
01:53:13.000 So Kubrick shot everything with these lenses.
01:53:15.000 Now, here's the question for you.
01:53:16.000 How did Stanley Kubrick get those lenses?
01:53:19.000 Maybe at the NASA garage sale they had in 1971, where they sold all the stuff on the front lawn.
01:53:25.000 Okay, so the story I got told, which I want to ask you about, is they...
01:53:33.000 Obviously, it's the middle of the Cold War, right?
01:53:35.000 And the moon landing was a flex by the Americans.
01:53:38.000 It was a big deal, right?
01:53:40.000 So they rehearsed the shit out of that.
01:53:42.000 Who did they rehearse it with?
01:53:44.000 Well, the best director in the world.
01:53:46.000 So they brought in a young Stanley Kubrick, and he filmed the rehearsals.
01:53:52.000 So they had to rehearse everything before they went up there.
01:53:55.000 So I'm not saying the moon landings didn't happen.
01:53:56.000 I think they definitely did happen.
01:53:57.000 So who's saying that Stanley Kubrick filmed the rehearsals?
01:54:01.000 I can't remember who told me this.
01:54:03.000 That sounds like horseshit.
01:54:05.000 How did he have the time?
01:54:07.000 Sorry, how did he get the lenses from NASA?
01:54:09.000 How did he get the lenses?
01:54:10.000 He definitely had the NASA lenses.
01:54:12.000 He bought them from NASA?
01:54:13.000 He was a genius mathematician.
01:54:16.000 I didn't know that.
01:54:17.000 He used to do complex equations in his spare time.
01:54:22.000 Yeah, he was a genius, like a legitimate genius.
01:54:25.000 So he probably had a deep connection to the scientific community, and he probably maintained that all throughout doing 2001.
01:54:33.000 So, you know, Kubrick was so...
01:54:35.000 The way he would do films was there were so many layers to his films.
01:54:40.000 Like, there's so many layers to The Shining, you know?
01:54:43.000 He said this brilliant thing about movies.
01:54:46.000 He said, you know, if you want to tell a story...
01:54:50.000 Make people feel something they don't have a name for.
01:54:54.000 So there's so many bits in The Shining that don't make sense.
01:54:58.000 Like the geometry of the room doesn't make sense.
01:55:00.000 And it kind of forces you to really see something.
01:55:05.000 Like so much of our life, right, is we're not really seeing things.
01:55:09.000 I think it's the gift of being a stand-up comedian.
01:55:11.000 We get to see things.
01:55:13.000 Mostly guys of our age are just remembering things.
01:55:17.000 Right.
01:55:18.000 They don't have a lot of other experiences.
01:55:19.000 Or they're having a very repetitive, you know, if you commute every day to the same office, you don't remember 365 days.
01:55:27.000 It's kind of one memory and then you're just on repeat.
01:55:29.000 Whereas if you have unique experiences, it's not that we don't have enough time.
01:55:33.000 We just waste a lot of it.
01:55:35.000 And we want unique novel experience.
01:55:38.000 And so part of the reason I travel the world is to have unique novel experience and to see things in a different way.
01:55:43.000 And sometimes when you watch like a Kubrick or a Tarantino movie, you go.
01:55:46.000 He's just seeing something in such a pure way.
01:55:49.000 Yeah.
01:55:50.000 It's incredible.
01:55:51.000 Yeah.
01:55:52.000 It's a unique artistic vision that makes you sort of...
01:55:55.000 It just takes you out of mundane existence and go, wow, this guy.
01:56:01.000 Like, 2001 is such a weird movie, man.
01:56:03.000 I saw it again last year.
01:56:05.000 I hadn't seen it in a long time, and I watched it again.
01:56:06.000 I was like, God, imagine making this film in, like, what was it?
01:56:11.000 What year was it?
01:56:11.000 Like, 60...
01:56:13.000 67. No.
01:56:15.000 Was it 70?
01:56:16.000 69?
01:56:17.000 No, 70. 68. What?
01:56:17.000 70?
01:56:21.000 Yeah.
01:56:21.000 So it's before the moon landing.
01:56:23.000 And it's all going on at the same time, which...
01:56:26.000 68?
01:56:28.000 It's incredible.
01:56:30.000 Yeah.
01:56:31.000 Because it's kind of futuristic now.
01:56:33.000 Yeah.
01:56:34.000 There's that weird thing of like...
01:56:35.000 You ever read...
01:56:36.000 It's weird that the monkeys when they find the monolith.
01:56:39.000 Yeah.
01:56:40.000 You know?
01:56:41.000 I have very bizarre theories about the evolution of the human animal itself.
01:56:45.000 What do you think?
01:56:47.000 I don't necessarily think it happened without help.
01:56:50.000 I have a feeling that we were assisted.
01:56:53.000 I think that's one of the reasons why we vary so much.
01:56:57.000 We're just like dogs.
01:56:59.000 Dogs vary so much, but dogs all came from wolves.
01:57:05.000 Every dog came from a wolf.
01:57:07.000 It does strike me as like...
01:57:08.000 It's a very strange thing how long humanity has been here and how recently, like 10,000 years ago, in northern Japan was the first settlement.
01:57:20.000 And how quickly things have progressed.
01:57:22.000 I don't think that's true.
01:57:22.000 I don't think we're right about that.
01:57:25.000 You don't think so?
01:57:26.000 No, there's an interesting...
01:57:27.000 There's a bunch of interesting guys, but there's one that I...
01:57:29.000 Who's that guy that I brought up the other day who's a British anthropologist?
01:57:33.000 Well, I already like him.
01:57:34.000 Who has this...
01:57:35.000 No, you did.
01:57:36.000 That's why I brought that up.
01:57:37.000 He's got a YouTube channel, and he's like, human beings have been in this...
01:57:40.000 His argument essentially is that human beings have been in this particular form, this homo sapien form for...
01:57:47.000 Somewhere in their neighborhood of 300,000 years.
01:57:50.000 Why would we assume that it took us so long to get to where we are as far as society and technology and innovation?
01:58:00.000 Far more likely that this was achieved multiple times followed by great catastrophes that brought us back to square one.
01:58:07.000 And there's a lot of evidence for that.
01:58:09.000 There's a lot of evidence for that in terms of like 11,800 years ago, the Younger Dry Ice Impact Theory, which is actually physical evidence of meteor comet impacts on Earth, gigantic landscape changes, ending of the ice age, melting of the polar ice caps, massive Flooding, rising sea levels, all that stuff's documented.
01:58:31.000 But then he's talking about, like, what about 100,000 years before that?
01:58:36.000 If we're in the same form, if society did reach a very high level of sophistication, maybe in a different way, 100,000 years ago, how much evidence would be left?
01:58:45.000 The answer is zero.
01:58:47.000 But the human remains the same.
01:58:49.000 If you took a 100,000-year-old person, you could bring them to the—fucking shave their face, sit them in a movie theater.
01:58:55.000 They would have no—you would have no idea that that was a person from 100,000 years ago.
01:59:00.000 They'd look real fucking similar to us.
01:59:03.000 Well, I suppose that thing's like— Especially if you fed them well, which they probably didn't get much food back then.
01:59:07.000 Yeah, that thing of like the— The gratitude?
01:59:10.000 Like the idea that you go, how have you only got to this now?
01:59:13.000 Like the idea that you go, well, actually, taking care of that...
01:59:18.000 Maslow's hierarchy of need.
01:59:20.000 You need food.
01:59:22.000 You need shelter.
01:59:24.000 We haven't even covered that for most of humanity.
01:59:28.000 But certainly in the place that we live, we factor all that in.
01:59:32.000 That's all like, okay, you've got all of that sorted.
01:59:34.000 And then we get to self-actualize and we get to specialize.
01:59:39.000 And so maybe it's that thing of like, I don't know, the breaking of the tribes and the idea of specialization.
01:59:46.000 It's that, it's the Dunbar number is the important thing, isn't it?
01:59:49.000 Like, because the Great Apes, so Robert Dunbar's the guy that had that idea of, it often comes up when people talk about social media, how many friends can you have?
01:59:57.000 Like, with Great Apes, they get to a pod of about 60, and then they go, I don't really know that guy. 0.53
02:00:04.000 He hasn't really groomed me in a long time.
02:00:07.000 So I did this documentary once for the BBC with Robert Dunbar, and it was...
02:00:10.000 Oh, you met actual Robert Dunbar.
02:00:12.000 He was incredible.
02:00:13.000 How old was he at the time?
02:00:15.000 I guess 60s.
02:00:16.000 He's not that old a guy.
02:00:18.000 So his theory was kind of, well, actually what happened that allowed human beings to specialize was remote grooming.
02:00:29.000 So the idea that we could be in a large group and our language allowed us to have a larger group, like 150 friends in the group, because we didn't have to pick things out of each other's hair or literally groom each other.
02:00:42.000 Hey, Bob, look at the lawn, looking good.
02:00:42.000 We could talk to each other.
02:00:45.000 Yeah, but that was the great innovation because it allowed us to go, okay, look, I'm going to go and build this thing.
02:00:51.000 You go and do that thing.
02:00:52.000 We'll come together.
02:00:54.000 Obviously, language predates speech.
02:01:01.000 By a million years, millions of years.
02:01:04.000 Laughter predates speech by about a million years, they think.
02:01:11.000 Interesting.
02:01:11.000 Because animals laugh, chimps laugh.
02:01:13.000 You know I've got a weird laugh, right?
02:01:14.000 I laugh on an in.
02:01:17.000 You have to?
02:01:18.000 Yeah, if something really strikes me as funny, it's like, it's such a...
02:01:22.000 People often ask, is it real?
02:01:24.000 It's the most crazy laugh.
02:01:26.000 Odd.
02:01:27.000 I laugh on an in-breath, not an out-breath.
02:01:29.000 Like Tucker Carlson.
02:01:30.000 He's got that kind of laugh.
02:01:32.000 Well, okay.
02:01:34.000 Well, I don't know where I stand on that.
02:01:37.000 Now I'm in trouble.
02:01:39.000 Don't give me canceled.
02:01:41.000 Well, no, that's an out.
02:01:42.000 That's an out.
02:01:43.000 It's just a high-pitched out.
02:01:45.000 But that thing of laughter being a remote tickle is kind of...
02:01:50.000 It's an interesting idea.
02:01:51.000 It's also interesting that it's contagious.
02:01:53.000 Genuinely.
02:01:54.000 Yeah.
02:01:55.000 Like, if you're laughing, I'm like, I'll start laughing.
02:01:57.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you laughing at, Jimmy?
02:01:59.000 I'll start laughing.
02:02:00.000 If you're laughing hysterically...
02:02:01.000 Have you ever seen those German guys that do the laughter therapy? 1.00
02:02:03.000 No.
02:02:04.000 They do a laughter therapy in Germany, and they just...
02:02:07.000 It's literally a guy going, we're all going to laugh now.
02:02:10.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
02:02:12.000 And they just force themselves to laugh.
02:02:13.000 There's nothing funny going on.
02:02:15.000 They just force themselves to laugh.
02:02:16.000 It sounds like hell.
02:02:18.000 But it's very good for people, because once they get going...
02:02:20.000 They need to figure out stand-up in Germany.
02:02:21.000 Have they ever figured it out?
02:02:23.000 Who's the best?
02:02:24.000 In Germany?
02:02:25.000 I play a lot in Germany.
02:02:27.000 Yeah, but you're an English guy going to Germany.
02:02:29.000 I could play in Germany, too.
02:02:29.000 That's different.
02:02:31.000 But my point is, who's the best guy to come out of Germany?
02:02:33.000 There is a guy who's like playing...
02:02:35.000 He played like a stadium there.
02:02:37.000 Oh, God, I forget his name.
02:02:37.000 But he came to the Edinburgh Festival.
02:02:39.000 We had a guy that was the number one comic in Germany who came to the comedy store.
02:02:39.000 He's pretty good.
02:02:44.000 Back in, like, the early 2000s.
02:02:47.000 Super nice guy, barely spoke English, and did, like, real physical comedy.
02:02:51.000 Like, his whole thing was physical, and he just couldn't figure out how to make it work in America.
02:02:55.000 Right.
02:02:55.000 It was interesting talking to him.
02:02:58.000 So I was like, how big are you in Germany, rather?
02:03:00.000 And he's like, oh, in Germany, I'm the number one comedian, and, you know, I do really well.
02:03:04.000 And I was like, really?
02:03:05.000 So, like, what do you do?
02:03:07.000 And he's like, I do this kind of, like, they enjoyed, like, that kind of, like, slapstick-y, fall-down sort of stuff.
02:03:12.000 He did a lot of physical stuff.
02:03:14.000 It was funny, but it was like the audience at the Comedy Store had been used to all these like bang, bang, bang, like set up punchline, set up punchline, Joey Diaz, and now here's some guy from Germany. 0.97
02:03:24.000 You know, and he was just, it didn't work for him.
02:03:26.000 Well, there's a great old line of like, where would we be without a sense of humor?
02:03:30.000 Germany.
02:03:31.000 Yeah, but they make great cars.
02:03:34.000 Well, that thing of like, there's scenes coming up everywhere around the world now.
02:03:39.000 I mean, I got, I think, 47 countries on this tour.
02:03:41.000 And everywhere I go, there's always a couple of local comics that come to the gig, and they're doing stand-up in English, and there's a little scene, and it's very contagious, I think.
02:03:53.000 I think it's kind of the YouTube and the Netflix effect of, like, it's just out there now, and we're more aware globally of who's doing what.
02:04:02.000 Unquestionably.
02:04:03.000 And then there's Kill Tony, which is worldwide.
02:04:06.000 It's the number two podcast on YouTube worldwide.
02:04:09.000 What's number one?
02:04:09.000 Yeah, me.
02:04:13.000 For some unexplicable reason.
02:04:15.000 I don't understand it myself.
02:04:16.000 But the thing about comedy is that maybe you don't want the people making your cars to be funny.
02:04:23.000 You want them to be these lockdown engineers like the Germans. 1.00
02:04:27.000 I kind of like that.
02:04:29.000 These stoic engineers.
02:04:31.000 I am not driving an Italian car across the country.
02:04:34.000 It's not going to make it.
02:04:36.000 This is not going to make it.
02:04:37.000 I'm going to get somewhere outside of Oklahoma and some fucking weird lights are going to go off in the dash.
02:04:42.000 I'm like, what is happening here?
02:04:44.000 Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
02:04:45.000 And the brakes are going to fail.
02:04:46.000 Something's going to go.
02:04:47.000 Something's going to go.
02:04:48.000 Some electronic shit's going to go sideways because Pascal wasn't paying attention.
02:04:54.000 He was eating his pasta and taking a nap.
02:04:56.000 They take naps.
02:04:57.000 What are you driving now?
02:04:59.000 I drive all kinds of things.
02:05:01.000 I drove a Tesla here, but I have a lot of cars.
02:05:04.000 I like cars.
02:05:05.000 Yeah.
02:05:06.000 I'm fascinated by engineering.
02:05:08.000 You've got to get...
02:05:09.000 Like, devices.
02:05:10.000 Jeremy Clarkson is a friend of mine.
02:05:11.000 You've got to get him on.
02:05:12.000 I love Jeremy.
02:05:13.000 I'd love to have him on.
02:05:14.000 I'm a huge fan.
02:05:15.000 Yeah, he's got to come on here because he's like...
02:05:17.000 I don't know.
02:05:18.000 I think you'd have a lot in common.
02:05:19.000 He's like super...
02:05:20.000 I love Hammond.
02:05:22.000 I love those guys.
02:05:22.000 I love James May.
02:05:23.000 They were the originals.
02:05:24.000 Yeah.
02:05:25.000 And I'm a huge fan of Chris Harris, too.
02:05:26.000 And he took over the new Top Gear.
02:05:29.000 Well, they're just passionate about it.
02:05:29.000 Yeah.
02:05:30.000 I think there is something of like, I'd love someone to do, I'm sure it exists somewhere and I just haven't been to it, but like a museum of the motor car.
02:05:38.000 Oh, there is in Los Angeles.
02:05:39.000 Oh yeah, I saw where they were building that and it wasn't finished yet last time.
02:05:43.000 No, no, no.
02:05:44.000 LA's had an auto museum forever.
02:05:46.000 Isn't there a new one in...
02:05:47.000 Maybe there's a new one.
02:05:47.000 Perhaps.
02:05:49.000 Maybe they're making the new one.
02:05:50.000 Maybe it's the same company.
02:05:51.000 But the LA Auto Museum has been around forever.
02:05:53.000 Because it feels to me like vintage cars are the way to go.
02:05:58.000 There's so many regulations now.
02:05:59.000 There's so much you have to do to make a country.
02:06:02.000 In your goofy country, they lock you down.
02:06:04.000 Well, I think that's all going to change though, isn't it?
02:06:05.000 I think it's like, we could never get American cars in the UK.
02:06:10.000 Yeah.
02:06:10.000 You could never buy a Cadillac in the UK.
02:06:12.000 You could never.
02:06:12.000 And maybe that's going to change now.
02:06:14.000 I hope so.
02:06:15.000 I'd love to be able to buy those.
02:06:16.000 I know some American muscle cars are really popular over there because those are just, they're fun.
02:06:22.000 They're just fun to drive.
02:06:23.000 There's something about American muscle cars, like even the modern ones.
02:06:27.000 Like if you buy a modern Ford Mustang, they are fun to drive, man.
02:06:31.000 There's the rumble of the engine, shifting the gears, the manual transmission.
02:06:36.000 I think the Mustang GT is the greatest bargain as far as fun for dollar in the automobile world today.
02:06:45.000 Because I think you'd get a Mustang GT for under $50,000 US.
02:06:50.000 Like, loaded, and they're incredible.
02:06:52.000 It is an interesting thing of, like, cars, there's a certain point now where, what's the last car you could drive as opposed to it driving you?
02:07:01.000 Right.
02:07:02.000 You know, so there's an argument to say, I had, like, a Porsche from, a Targa from 89. Ooh.
02:07:12.000 So it had the G50, but it was air-cooled, but it was like the...
02:07:18.000 It's kind of the last one, I think, before the technology kind of took over.
02:07:23.000 Well, not necessarily.
02:07:25.000 No, the 964s are still very analog, and so are the 993s, especially in comparison to the 996s and the 997s that came after it.
02:07:35.000 But the point of those cars is engagement versus...
02:07:41.000 So the car that I drove today is a Tesla Model S Plaid.
02:07:41.000 Proficiency.
02:07:46.000 It is a preposterously fast car.
02:07:49.000 It has incredible technology.
02:07:51.000 If I choose to and I leave here tonight, I can press a button and it'll drive me to my house.
02:07:51.000 It drives itself.
02:07:56.000 It'll stop at every red light.
02:07:58.000 It'll hit blinkers.
02:07:59.000 It'll change lanes if there's an obstruction.
02:08:01.000 Hands off, nothing.
02:08:02.000 Hands off.
02:08:02.000 I don't have to do anything.
02:08:03.000 You're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel, sort of.
02:08:05.000 You barely have to be paying attention, but it'll do all the work for you.
02:08:11.000 A 1989 Porsche, like yours, that one, that is a visceral experience.
02:08:20.000 You're feeling it.
02:08:22.000 It's like, woo!
02:08:23.000 You're on a ride.
02:08:23.000 It's fun.
02:08:24.000 You're not even going fast, but you're feeling everything.
02:08:27.000 It's a sensory overload.
02:08:30.000 It's very exciting.
02:08:32.000 It's exciting not going quick.
02:08:34.000 There's nothing like those old cars, especially old Porsches, because they handle really well.
02:08:41.000 Even though they're an old car, they still have really good dynamics in terms of rolled, rolled, rolled.
02:08:46.000 I wonder what it is that we're enjoying there, because I think it's like...
02:08:49.000 It's type one and type two thinking.
02:08:52.000 So it's like driving a car.
02:08:54.000 When you're getting your license to drive stick shift, you really have to concentrate.
02:08:59.000 Sure.
02:09:00.000 And then it goes over into this other place where you just go, it's just happening.
02:09:04.000 I don't have to think about this.
02:09:05.000 Right, you're just commuting.
02:09:06.000 But you're like engaged.
02:09:08.000 You're kind of in a flow state when you're driving one of those cars and just driving it.
02:09:13.000 You haven't got the radio on.
02:09:14.000 I used to love driving home from shows.
02:09:17.000 And you'd think of something.
02:09:19.000 And you'd be driving and you wouldn't be, you know, days before iPhones.
02:09:22.000 So you just have to remember that thought and let it linger and kind of thinking of jokes and wordplay.
02:09:28.000 But you'd be kind of engaged in this other activity.
02:09:31.000 You're in like a Zen state because you're connected to the vehicle, but you're not listening to music.
02:09:36.000 You're not listening to a podcast.
02:09:38.000 You're just out there driving this thing that you have to really be in tune with.
02:09:42.000 And then your mind, your subconscious is free to roam.
02:09:45.000 It's interesting those things of like activities that...
02:09:49.000 Engender different kind of states.
02:09:51.000 Like, okay, you play a lot of pool.
02:09:53.000 Now, I don't play much pool.
02:09:55.000 But I do play pool with my friends if they're having a tough time.
02:10:00.000 Like, if you have to have a tough conversation with a friend, if they're down, they're depressed, whatever, this looking each other in the eyes doesn't work so well.
02:10:10.000 You've got to do an activity.
02:10:10.000 Oh, right.
02:10:11.000 Because there's a lot of thinking time.
02:10:13.000 You know, if it's an emotional conversation, if there's something big going on, a game of pool is kind of fantastic for that because it just slows everything down.
02:10:20.000 You've got a reason to be there for longer.
02:10:22.000 It's kind of, it's playful and there's kind of a low-level competition going on but the stakes aren't high and you kind of have a great, it's like when you're in the car with a buddy, you have a great conversation side by side.
02:10:36.000 I'm so glad you brought that up because...
02:10:39.000 I had a friend who was considering suicide, and I did not know until we started playing pool together.
02:10:46.000 I had to play pool with him a bunch of times, but we were playing pool together one day, and he just seemed weird.
02:10:51.000 He just seemed off.
02:10:53.000 But it was through the playing that we could talk.
02:10:55.000 Like, you know, we started talking.
02:10:57.000 What's going on?
02:10:58.000 He's like, I am not doing good at all.
02:11:00.000 I'm not doing good at all.
02:11:01.000 I'm like, what's going on?
02:11:02.000 And then, you know, we had this conversation.
02:11:06.000 He didn't have a lot of money, so he didn't have access to good psychiatric care.
02:11:10.000 So I contacted my business manager and I said, "Who's the best guy that we can connect my friend to?" And he got on some stuff.
02:11:18.000 I forget which SSRI was, but it ultimately really helped him.
02:11:22.000 And then he turned everything around and then his life turned around and he slowly weaned himself off and then he's fine.
02:11:28.000 But it was like this moment of playing pool.
02:11:31.000 So this is why, like, when people completely dismiss psychiatric medication, too, I'm like, I can see how they're overprescribed.
02:11:40.000 I can see how some people become dependent when really they should try exercise and healthy diet.
02:11:44.000 However, when you're dealing with someone who's on the ledge...
02:11:48.000 Like, anything you can get that keeps that person from ending their life and making a terrible decision.
02:11:53.000 And if they have a bad serotonin balance and dopamine balance in their head, and there's something that we can give them that can help balance them out, and then they slowly move towards a healthier...
02:12:04.000 You know what it is?
02:12:04.000 It's like someone saying, yeah, no, no, we should all learn to swim.
02:12:07.000 No, sometimes you need a life raft.
02:12:08.000 Yeah.
02:12:09.000 Sometimes you need a fucking floaty.
02:12:11.000 Little babies, they have to have floaties. 1.00
02:12:13.000 Just for a couple of weeks.
02:12:14.000 But that thing of like, I don't know, we should chat about that, because it's like...
02:12:18.000 Suicide, for me, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
02:12:23.000 Invariably, it's that thing of, like, people think they want to disappear, but really they want to be found.
02:12:28.000 And I find it heartbreaking because I think more so than other fun stuff you go and see, with comedy, I know it's a lot of people that are depressed or have suicidal ideation, are self-medicating with stand-up comedy.
02:12:44.000 So they watch a lot of comedy or they come to a lot of comedy shows because it's kind of the opposite of what they're feeling.
02:12:49.000 And it's that thing of the...
02:12:51.000 I always do a bit about it at the end of the show.
02:12:53.000 I mean, I tell a lot of brutal jokes and then I talk about it because you go, there's going to be someone in the crowd.
02:12:59.000 I had this heartbreaking thing where I've had it a couple of times now where people come up and go, I was going to...
02:13:05.000 I had this amazing woman talk to me about... 0.91
02:13:08.000 She was celebrating like 14 years of extra life.
02:13:14.000 But she was like 17 or something at home, and she was thinking about ending it, but she was waiting until everyone had gone to sleep before she hung herself.
02:13:22.000 Oh, God.
02:13:23.000 And she turned on her computer on YouTube, and she saw clips of some panel show bullshit that I was doing.
02:13:30.000 And she laughed.
02:13:31.000 Oh, wow.
02:13:33.000 And then she watched another clip.
02:13:34.000 And then she got super into comedy and whatever.
02:13:39.000 She didn't do it that night.
02:13:40.000 And then she watched more of it the next day, and somehow that got her over, or she attributed that to getting her over a hump.
02:13:48.000 Well, sometimes you just have to have access to other thoughts.
02:13:51.000 And when someone's a good comic like yourself, what happens is you allow that person to kind of think for you when you're enjoying their performance.
02:13:59.000 And sometimes it's just that.
02:14:00.000 That's enough.
02:14:01.000 Sometimes it's great philosophy or a great book or someone gives a great like inspirational speech where it just makes you like really think like, wow, like what is it about the way this person is talking right now that is changing my state?
02:14:18.000 It's changing my state of mind because I'm thinking the way they're thinking.
02:14:21.000 I'm allowing them because they're so eloquent.
02:14:24.000 Taking the controls, yeah.
02:14:25.000 And because what they're saying is so precise and they have so much passion in what they're saying.
02:14:29.000 There's so much enthusiasm that it's contagious.
02:14:32.000 And now all of a sudden I feel better.
02:14:35.000 It's perspective.
02:14:37.000 Have you ever had Peter McGraw on here?
02:14:39.000 Peter McGraw is that guy that came up with the benign violation theory of comedy.
02:14:39.000 No.
02:14:43.000 What is that?
02:14:44.000 So benign violation theory is the idea...
02:14:46.000 Hey, have I had Peter McGraw?
02:14:47.000 This is a real problem when you've had 2,500 podcasts.
02:14:51.000 I don't want to say I've never had him on.
02:14:52.000 And a couple of blows to the head.
02:14:53.000 A bunch.
02:14:55.000 Just enough.
02:14:56.000 The sweet spot.
02:14:58.000 Peter McGraw, the benign violation theory.
02:15:00.000 Did I have him on?
02:15:01.000 Yeah.
02:15:04.000 When was this?
02:15:05.000 Is he a professor of marketing and psychology?
02:15:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:15:08.000 When was this?
02:15:09.000 He's a brilliant man.
02:15:10.000 Episode 578.
02:15:11.000 Oh, wow.
02:15:12.000 Pull him up on the screen so I can see what he looks like.
02:15:15.000 Boy, that shows you how toasty my brain is.
02:15:17.000 That's the 561 messages that I haven't answered?
02:15:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:15:21.000 They're all from him.
02:15:23.000 Oh, there he is, yeah.
02:15:23.000 Oh, wow.
02:15:24.000 I would have told you that's a fake picture.
02:15:26.000 I would have told you that's AI.
02:15:27.000 It's the second time this has happened, I think.
02:15:29.000 It'll happen a hundred times more, dude.
02:15:31.000 We've had too many episodes.
02:15:33.000 So his theory, which I'm sure he has spoken about on this very show, is the idea that you go, okay, so...
02:15:39.000 Sorry, Peter.
02:15:41.000 Violations are like, okay, how things are meant to be, right?
02:15:44.000 If it deviates from that, it's a violation in life.
02:15:47.000 So death, disease, famine, all of the worst stuff in the world is like, it's a violation.
02:15:53.000 And he's saying, okay, if you imagine a Venn diagram, that's one circle.
02:15:57.000 And then overlapping that is kind of humor.
02:16:01.000 And you go, if you joke about something, you're kind of, you're re...
02:16:08.000 You're recoding it in your mind to say, no, no, this is okay.
02:16:11.000 We're putting a bit of distance between this.
02:16:14.000 So just by joking about something, you make these violations in life, these terrible things, whether it's death, disease, suicide, whatever the terrible thing is, you're making it okay through laughter.
02:16:26.000 You're filtering life's hardships through the charcoal of comedy and kind of making it palatable.
02:16:35.000 So it's like, you know, I often say this, I feel sorry for the people that are easily offended.
02:16:40.000 Or like offended, because laughing at difficult things is, it pays out on the worst days.
02:16:47.000 So like when you're having your very worst day, you go, yeah, but at least we can laugh.
02:16:51.000 Like those things of like, if you've had friends die or, you know, they're in palliative care and you can sort of get a laugh out of them and it just eases everything.
02:17:01.000 If you find people that are like that, that's a learned response.
02:17:04.000 And if you grow up in a family that's easily offended and offended by everything, like a humorless family, that's a real problem.
02:17:11.000 That's a real fucking problem.
02:17:13.000 If they don't know how to joke around about stuff, that becomes a real issue.
02:17:16.000 They take themselves too seriously.
02:17:19.000 Or they take the world too seriously and, like, you're always looking to be outraged.
02:17:23.000 And then there's also a lot of social credit to being outraged.
02:17:26.000 Like, people have...
02:17:27.000 You have to, like, let him alone.
02:17:27.000 He's outraged.
02:17:29.000 Like, now you've kind of commanded the stage.
02:17:31.000 I am so sick of this shit.
02:17:33.000 Like, oh, he's sick of this shit.
02:17:34.000 Let him have his space.
02:17:36.000 Give him his time.
02:17:37.000 You know, it's like you're demanding undue attention for something that a rational person who has, like, more important things to think about would laugh off, you know?
02:17:47.000 I think being able to laugh it off is, it's quite...
02:17:49.000 A superpower.
02:17:50.000 Well, it's quite stoic, isn't it?
02:17:51.000 Because you can't really choose what happens to you, just how you react to it.
02:17:55.000 We don't have any control, but we have a lot of influence.
02:17:58.000 And the idea that disposition is more important than position is one of my kind of core beliefs.
02:18:04.000 Like, I know some pretty fucking miserable billionaires.
02:18:07.000 And I know some people that are just...
02:18:09.000 You know, so what's happiness?
02:18:10.000 It's like, it's your current situation minus expectations.
02:18:13.000 Stephen Fry had a great piece on being offended.
02:18:16.000 Did you ever see Stephen Fry on Being Offended?
02:18:19.000 No, go on.
02:18:19.000 What did he say on Being Offended?
02:18:20.000 I don't want to paraphrase it because it was brilliant.
02:18:23.000 But it was essentially like, so what?
02:18:27.000 That's not even an argument.
02:18:28.000 You're offended.
02:18:29.000 What does that even mean?
02:18:30.000 So you're offended.
02:18:32.000 But why?
02:18:34.000 What about it?
02:18:35.000 Why are you so easily triggered?
02:18:38.000 What fragile creature you are going through this life being offended and everything.
02:18:43.000 It is now very common to hear people say, I'm rather offended by that, as if it gives them certain rights.
02:18:48.000 It's actually nothing more than a whine.
02:18:50.000 I find that offensive.
02:18:52.000 It has no meaning.
02:18:54.000 It has no purpose.
02:18:55.000 It has no reason to be respected as a phrase.
02:18:58.000 I am offended by that.
02:18:59.000 Well, so fucking what?
02:19:02.000 Yeah.
02:19:03.000 He's wonderful.
02:19:04.000 Wonderful.
02:19:05.000 There's some great, great, great lines like that.
02:19:07.000 But that's another one.
02:19:08.000 It's like you can't command attention just because you're offended.
02:19:13.000 As a person who's developed your mind and gotten through a lot of experiences in life, if you are 50 fucking years old and the most mildest thing happens and your response is, I'm offended, you didn't figure it out.
02:19:29.000 You got to this point in your life where you have a very fragile foundation and you're looking to be offended, which means you're probably not good at what you do.
02:19:38.000 Whatever the fuck it is that you were supposed to be good at, you probably fucked that up.
02:19:42.000 And now you're just looking for weird reasons to emote, weird reasons to get upset about things instead of to rationally try to see things from people's perspectives.
02:19:53.000 I get annoyed with it because people buy a ticket to see me live.
02:19:58.000 It's like buying a ticket to a horror movie and then complaining, I'm scared.
02:20:03.000 Especially you.
02:20:04.000 Yeah.
02:20:05.000 I mean, it's absolutely brutal, but then it's all in service of fun.
02:20:10.000 Yeah, but this is a society that rewards outrage and that coddles people for the most preposterous beliefs.
02:20:18.000 This is a weird society.
02:20:19.000 It's a weird society of social media and the amount of attention you can generate.
02:20:26.000 And so that spills out into the real world.
02:20:30.000 Chris Rock talked about it brilliantly after the incident at the Oscars.
02:20:34.000 He said this thing about, like, there's three ways to get attention.
02:20:39.000 Brilliant at something.
02:20:40.000 It takes a lot of work or whatever.
02:20:42.000 You could be infamous or you could be a victim.
02:20:47.000 It's the easiest option.
02:20:48.000 Right.
02:20:49.000 It's the easiest option.
02:20:51.000 Yeah.
02:20:51.000 I mean, I'm sure you've seen these people that have, like, they list off.
02:20:56.000 We were talking about this one person that was, like, the final boss of woke culture.
02:21:00.000 They listed off all the things that are wrong with them.
02:21:03.000 I'm disabled.
02:21:05.000 I'm trans.
02:21:06.000 I'm non-binary.
02:21:08.000 I'm ethnically challenged.
02:21:09.000 Like, whatever the fuck it is, they just, like, rattled off, like, 30 of them.
02:21:13.000 Like, oh, my God, this person has everything wrong with them.
02:21:16.000 Meanwhile...
02:21:16.000 They're fine.
02:21:17.000 You're fine.
02:21:18.000 You're just a person over here talking.
02:21:20.000 Like, you don't get special attention because of all these things you just listed.
02:21:24.000 This is stupid.
02:21:25.000 But in this weird world that we live in, you'll get celebrated, you know?
02:21:30.000 It's the identity politics world.
02:21:33.000 Yeah.
02:21:35.000 Well, I suppose that thing of, like, if you had to define entitlement, right?
02:21:40.000 It's a word that gets used a lot, right?
02:21:41.000 Entitlement.
02:21:42.000 Sure, sure.
02:21:42.000 Okay, so for me, it's like, where you are now...
02:21:45.000 And where you want to be.
02:21:46.000 If you want to do something about it, that's ambition.
02:21:49.000 If you think that's someone else's problem, that's entitlement.
02:21:54.000 And it comes back to that agency empathy thing.
02:21:57.000 Like, I'm very empathetic to...
02:21:59.000 Oh, wow, that's a...
02:22:00.000 Wow, that's a...
02:22:01.000 Your cards are not great.
02:22:03.000 The cards that you've been dealt are not great.
02:22:05.000 But they're your cards.
02:22:07.000 And I want to...
02:22:08.000 I want you to be empowered to do as much as you fucking can with those cards.
02:22:15.000 To look to the wealthy people and say, they're the problem.
02:22:19.000 They're your problem.
02:22:20.000 That's the thing that people will do to the proletariat, right? 0.99
02:22:23.000 They will tell them, the reason why you're in this situation today is because of these greedy people aren't paying their share.
02:22:30.000 These wealthy, if they paid their share, like, where is it going to go, though?
02:22:35.000 Is it going to go to this corrupt government that's the one who's feeding you this nonsense in the first place?
02:22:39.000 You're going to enrich them.
02:22:39.000 What are you going to do?
02:22:40.000 They're just going to get bigger and stronger and have even more power.
02:22:43.000 And then you're even more fucked.
02:22:45.000 You're even more fucked because you don't have any resources.
02:22:47.000 It's not going to help you.
02:22:48.000 If they tax rich people, are the poor people going to get that money?
02:22:53.000 No!
02:22:54.000 Are their services going to improve?
02:22:56.000 No!
02:22:57.000 No, you're just going to get more government.
02:23:00.000 It seems like a good idea.
02:23:02.000 Maybe the solution is we've got to tax the rich people. 0.92
02:23:05.000 No, you've got to figure out what to do with the money you already get from everybody, and you're not doing a good job with it.
02:23:13.000 That's the problem.
02:23:14.000 The problem isn't, like, the rich people aren't paying their...
02:23:16.000 Like, I always hear that about Elon.
02:23:18.000 Like, he doesn't even pay taxes.
02:23:20.000 Elon paid more taxes in 2024 than any living human being that has ever existed.
02:23:28.000 He paid something like $10 billion in taxes.
02:23:32.000 Yeah, I felt like I did in 2012.
02:23:37.000 Felt like I did.
02:23:39.000 You divorced?
02:23:39.000 What happened?
02:23:40.000 No, no, I got...
02:23:41.000 I had a big tax scandal.
02:23:44.000 I had a big...
02:23:45.000 I tell you when you know you've got tax problems, right?
02:23:47.000 What happened?
02:23:48.000 If the Prime Minister of the country that you live in breaks off from the G20 summit to come out and do a press conference where he talks about nothing other than your personal tax affairs.
02:23:57.000 That's a red flag.
02:23:58.000 What happened, Jimmy?
02:23:59.000 I don't know.
02:24:00.000 I was in like some...
02:24:01.000 Some accountant said to me, do you want to...
02:24:02.000 Oh, it's like a tax scheme.
02:24:04.000 You want to be in a tax scheme?
02:24:05.000 And I went, yeah, okay.
02:24:07.000 Like, stupid.
02:24:08.000 Oh, did you know it was...
02:24:10.000 No, it wasn't.
02:24:11.000 Oh, no, it was legit.
02:24:11.000 Not legit?
02:24:12.000 It was all legal.
02:24:13.000 It was tax avoidance, not tax evasion.
02:24:16.000 There's a difference, and the difference is about 18 months in prison.
02:24:19.000 So, thankfully, I came down on the right fucking side of that.
02:24:22.000 How much did you wind up owing?
02:24:23.000 Oh, it was enough.
02:24:25.000 It was enough to go, oh, put the tour in.
02:24:28.000 Great, we're going on the road.
02:24:29.000 Wow.
02:24:30.000 We are, yeah, we're in trouble.
02:24:32.000 So, you tried to avoid paying a percentage that was due.
02:24:37.000 Yeah.
02:24:38.000 Yeah.
02:24:39.000 Pretty dumb.
02:24:39.000 They put people in jail in America.
02:24:41.000 They make a big thing out of it.
02:24:44.000 They put Wesley Snipes, the woman from the Fugees, Lauren Hill, they put her in jail. 0.99
02:24:52.000 They put people in jail, even if you could pay them.
02:24:54.000 They're like, nope, not good enough.
02:24:55.000 You're going to jail.
02:24:57.000 Just the only time when you owe money and you pay the money back, you still go to jail.
02:25:02.000 They want to make an example out of you.
02:25:05.000 Pay your fucking taxes.
02:25:08.000 In Boston.
02:25:09.000 I came up in Boston.
02:25:11.000 And in Boston, in the 1980s in particular, it was a very Wild West-y sort of a comedy scene.
02:25:17.000 And they would pay you in cash or cocaine.
02:25:19.000 It was up to you.
02:25:21.000 Cash or cocaine?
02:25:22.000 Yes.
02:25:23.000 There was at least one club that would pay you in cash or cocaine.
02:25:27.000 And I was always like, I'll take the cash.
02:25:29.000 I never did coke, luckily.
02:25:30.000 But a lot of guys took the cocaine, and a lot of guys also...
02:25:35.000 Took the cash but never paid taxes.
02:25:37.000 Like, for a long time.
02:25:39.000 Well, I'd love it if they took the cocaine and paid the tax on that.
02:25:42.000 Just went to the IRS and went, look, I brought you this baggie of coke.
02:25:46.000 I got a kilo in my trunk.
02:25:47.000 Yeah, it's about 30% of the coke I took.
02:25:51.000 This is for you, the IRS.
02:25:52.000 They all got banged up by the IRS and they all wound up owing a...
02:25:57.000 Fucking tremendous amount of money that they couldn't pay.
02:26:00.000 So they all, like all their salaries, every time they did a weekend at a club, everything, like half of it would go to the government.
02:26:06.000 They'd take it straight out of your bank account.
02:26:09.000 They'd just take money from you. 0.98
02:26:12.000 They're not allowing you to pay them anymore.
02:26:14.000 They just take it.
02:26:15.000 I've gamed the system.
02:26:16.000 I do two shows a night now.
02:26:18.000 So one for me, one for them.
02:26:19.000 Oh, that's a good move.
02:26:20.000 Great.
02:26:21.000 That way, yeah, that makes sense.
02:26:22.000 I don't even see that money.
02:26:23.000 I can't be trusted.
02:26:24.000 I can't trust myself.
02:26:26.000 It is funny, though, that they get half.
02:26:28.000 Like, what are you getting out of it?
02:26:30.000 At a certain level, like you get to the Elon Musk level, well, I guess you could say there's entitlements, like there's things that helped electric cars get more popular, you know, and get funding, and that makes sense.
02:26:41.000 But at a certain, you know, if you're a performer, say, like you're a singer, and, you know, half of all your money goes to the government, you're like, hey, what did you guys do?
02:26:52.000 Like, if you're, okay, if you're Taylor Swift.
02:26:56.000 Taylor Swift, what does she make, a billion dollars a year or something crazy like that? 1.00
02:27:00.000 I mean, she's doing fucking stadiums. 1.00
02:27:02.000 They sell out instantaneously.
02:27:04.000 She's printing money. 1.00
02:27:05.000 But the government takes a sizable piece.
02:27:08.000 They don't write a fucking song.
02:27:10.000 Like, it's not in proportion.
02:27:12.000 Well, imagine if the IRS went, look, Taylor, you've paid a lot of tax last year.
02:27:16.000 So we're going to write some songs.
02:27:17.000 We've written you.
02:27:18.000 We've got an idea.
02:27:19.000 We think it's pretty good.
02:27:21.000 We've clubbed together.
02:27:22.000 We've got a bass guitar.
02:27:23.000 We've got a riff.
02:27:24.000 Here you go.
02:27:25.000 You're singing too much about boyfriends.
02:27:27.000 I want you to sing about the IRS.
02:27:28.000 We want you to sing about us.
02:27:30.000 Yeah.
02:27:31.000 There's places you go around the world, though, where the tax rate is higher, but no one's annoyed because it just delivers.
02:27:31.000 I don't know.
02:27:40.000 I do a lot of gigs in Norway, Finland, Denmark, where you kind of go, yeah, great.
02:27:45.000 This all works.
02:27:46.000 But much different society.
02:27:48.000 Much different society.
02:27:49.000 And it's also smaller population.
02:27:51.000 I think the real problem is when you scale that to hundreds of millions of people, things get really weird.
02:27:57.000 It's very difficult to run socialized medicine, socialized education, everything like that, when you get to just enormous quantities of human beings.
02:28:05.000 Well, maybe that's the thing with America, though, where you go, it is a...
02:28:10.000 It's a country and then it's lots of states.
02:28:12.000 And maybe the state level makes more sense.
02:28:15.000 Like the nation state level makes more sense than...
02:28:17.000 Kind of a global level.
02:28:19.000 I think it does.
02:28:20.000 I think it does with education.
02:28:21.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why this administration wants to get rid of where they got rid of the Department of Education.
02:28:26.000 They're allowing the states to manage their own education system on their own and do it in a way that they – and also be competitive.
02:28:35.000 Like if you are Arizona, you want to show that you have a better education system than Nevada.
02:28:41.000 And Nevada wants to show they're better than Utah.
02:28:43.000 And like there's a reason why you want people that – Well, they can also attract people with their education system.
02:28:55.000 100%.
02:28:56.000 You attract people moving into your state, moving into your city.
02:28:59.000 I'm just trying to think of the city that I play.
02:29:02.000 I don't think it's Estonia.
02:29:04.000 You might have to Google this, but it's like they've got a medical school and it's free.
02:29:08.000 You go to medical school.
02:29:10.000 It's in Eastern Europe.
02:29:10.000 They teach it in English.
02:29:12.000 And the reason they do it is because they go, well...
02:29:14.000 You know, 400 kids a year are going to come here and study medicine.
02:29:18.000 Some of them are going to fall in love with a local girl and stay.
02:29:20.000 We've got more doctors.
02:29:21.000 That's nothing but good news.
02:29:23.000 And it's great.
02:29:24.000 You know, we just run this system.
02:29:25.000 It doesn't cost us that much to run a university.
02:29:27.000 That would make so much sense.
02:29:28.000 And they live there.
02:29:29.000 And obviously, you've got to live there.
02:29:31.000 What it takes to be a student is the upkeep on, you know, your living and expenses, you get a part-time job, whatever you're adding to the local community as well as studying.
02:29:39.000 To be really cynical, I think there's a certain percentage of our government that wants to keep people in turmoil and in strife because they're easier to manage.
02:29:49.000 And I think the more people become successful and the more people become...
02:29:54.000 You know, completely free to do what they choose, and they no longer have financial burden, so they're not afraid to speak their mind, and they can kind of, like, explore different things.
02:30:08.000 I don't know if that's like a conspiracy or is that emergent.
02:30:12.000 It's natural.
02:30:13.000 the system that we have there's a bug in it where that's how it looks it looks like they're doing that and you go well that's just the system's doing that somehow so we need to adjust the system Well, it's openly discussed that one of the reasons why they let people cross the border is that we need cheap labor.
02:30:31.000 This was discussed by top Democrat politicians.
02:30:34.000 No, that's the Republicans in the 80s when NAFTA got signed.
02:30:38.000 So that was a Republican policy to let people across the border for cheap labor. 0.55
02:30:42.000 The working man.
02:30:42.000 And it destroyed...
02:30:44.000 Destroyed the working man.
02:30:45.000 And you go, yeah, cheaper products.
02:30:46.000 Yeah, but at what cost?
02:30:48.000 Destroyed manufacturing in the United States.
02:30:50.000 Destroyed Flint, Michigan.
02:30:51.000 Roger and Me is a great documentary about that.
02:30:51.000 Destroyed.
02:30:54.000 But that is 100% true.
02:30:57.000 That is exactly what happened.
02:30:59.000 And that is a real problem.
02:31:01.000 And that's a problem that when you allow people to make enormous amounts of money at the expense of millions of people's fucking future.
02:31:10.000 Like if you destroy Detroit, which they did, Detroit at one point in time was one of the wealthiest cities in the world.
02:31:18.000 Detroit during the boom of the automotive industry in the United States was a huge place.
02:31:24.000 I mean, it was a place where people would go.
02:31:28.000 It had a nightlife.
02:31:29.000 It was exciting.
02:31:30.000 There was a lot of money.
02:31:31.000 They had auto unions.
02:31:34.000 Look at the culture that came out of that.
02:31:37.000 You know, you look at Motown.
02:31:37.000 Yeah.
02:31:39.000 How much of that culture was downstream of people having disposable income?
02:31:39.000 Motown, yes.
02:31:44.000 You know, the invention of the teenager, you know, as a consumer with, you know, disposable income and time that they could spend.
02:31:44.000 100%.
02:31:52.000 And, you know, the unions don't get the credit they deserve.
02:31:54.000 Well, without them, everybody would be a slave, essentially.
02:31:59.000 You'd be a wage slave and the company has all the power.
02:32:03.000 They'd be able to dictate your hours, dictate your wages, keep you as poor as possible so that you have no power and you have no say. 0.95
02:32:10.000 But then that thing of looking at it from, if you step back from that and go, okay, well, that's what happened to them.
02:32:15.000 But then globally now, there's a lot of stuff we buy that's produced in places where people don't get paid enough.
02:32:23.000 They get paid almost nothing.
02:32:25.000 And that's the reason why the companies are profitable.
02:32:27.000 And then we just gobble the products up over here.
02:32:31.000 We wait in line for the newest phone.
02:32:33.000 Meanwhile, the phone, the literal minerals used to make the batteries are pulled out of the ground by slaves.
02:32:39.000 Yeah.
02:32:40.000 It's really dark.
02:32:41.000 And no one's really talking about that.
02:32:43.000 What's happening in the DRC at the moment is fucking horrific.
02:32:47.000 We had Siddharth Karan, who was an investigative journalist, wrote a book about it, who actually went there and got, like, risked his life to get footage of some of these artisanal cobalt mines.
02:32:59.000 And it's horrific stuff, man.
02:33:00.000 Women with babies on their backs that are pulling this cobalt out of the ground. 1.00
02:33:04.000 Everyone's getting sick because you're inhaling this dust of this.
02:33:08.000 And cobalt is essential for all these batteries.
02:33:12.000 I don't know what's to be done.
02:33:14.000 I mean, what's to be done?
02:33:15.000 Is it a constitution?
02:33:18.000 Is it a minerals deal?
02:33:21.000 I don't even know who the government is there.
02:33:22.000 I know Rwanda invaded recently in the north. 0.96
02:33:26.000 It's a good question.
02:33:27.000 It's very hard to deal with these problems globally.
02:33:29.000 But locally...
02:33:30.000 The solution would be if you are an American company, you cannot go places and pay someone a wage that would not be acceptable in America.
02:33:40.000 Also, the other thing is health care.
02:33:42.000 Ross Perot covered this when he was running for president when he was an independent and kind of fucked up all the elections over here because he said, you know, one of the things that people don't think about is health care.
02:33:50.000 If you are an employer in America, you have to provide all your people with health care.
02:33:54.000 And if you have a factory of 30,000 people, that's a significant amount of money that you have.
02:33:59.000 You have to spend on healthcare for all these people.
02:34:01.000 You have to build a hospital.
02:34:02.000 Or Mexico.
02:34:04.000 Dollar a day, no healthcare.
02:34:06.000 They're like, fucking send it over there.
02:34:07.000 Or China.
02:34:08.000 Or send it over there.
02:34:09.000 India, send it over there. 1.00
02:34:11.000 Well, is this going to be...
02:34:12.000 Okay, I'm very positive.
02:34:14.000 I'm very optimistic about life.
02:34:16.000 Is this going to be an incredible flourishing for America the next 20 years?
02:34:21.000 Because the industrial base is going to come back.
02:34:24.000 It would be wonderful if that was the case.
02:34:26.000 It would be wonderful if that was the case.
02:34:27.000 I think also we're dealing with a real issue of automation taking away most jobs.
02:34:32.000 I think that's unmanageable.
02:34:36.000 And that's going to be a real problem.
02:34:38.000 And a lot of people think universal basic income is the solution to that problem.
02:34:42.000 But then that makes you completely dependent upon the state.
02:34:44.000 You know, people need to find meaning in what they do.
02:34:48.000 And some people, given just a check, are not going to find that meaning.
02:34:52.000 America's a...
02:34:53.000 So I was in Yellow Springs with Dave Chappelle.
02:34:56.000 And Chappelle was telling me about the history of Yellow Springs.
02:34:59.000 And he said, oh, it's interesting because this town is a microcosm for America.
02:35:04.000 It's got the same makeup as America, roughly speaking. 0.88
02:35:08.000 So they used it to test a lot of stuff.
02:35:11.000 Like he said...
02:35:12.000 What?
02:35:13.000 The McRib.
02:35:15.000 They tested the McRib there.
02:35:17.000 So when he was a kid, they had the McRib.
02:35:18.000 He thought it was everywhere, but it was just there where they tested it and went, okay, that works.
02:35:23.000 Or this new flavor soda, this new thing.
02:35:25.000 Like the universal basic income.
02:35:27.000 Okay, we could have opinions about whether it works, whether it doesn't work.
02:35:31.000 I'm suspicious because I worry about purpose.
02:35:34.000 I sort of think the opposite of addiction isn't sobriety, it's purpose.
02:35:38.000 People with purpose.
02:35:39.000 Right.
02:35:40.000 Tend to do great.
02:35:41.000 Right, yeah, I agree.
02:35:42.000 Okay, so whatever gives you that purpose, and might be a family, doesn't need to be a family, but something that gives you purpose and drive, and you're aiming up towards something.
02:35:50.000 Yes.
02:35:51.000 But America's a big country.
02:35:53.000 There's a lot of little towns, I think they have done that.
02:36:01.000 Did it work?
02:36:02.000 Did we know?
02:36:03.000 I think didn't they do that with Stockton?
02:36:04.000 Wasn't it Stockton, California, where they tested universal basic income?
02:36:08.000 And I think they had positive results.
02:36:09.000 I think you give people like $500 a month and they found that, you know, some people spent it on stupid shit.
02:36:16.000 But for the most part, people improved their living conditions, improved their life, improved the amount of nutrition they can get.
02:36:24.000 California program giving $500 no-strings-attached stipends pays off study fines.
02:36:29.000 So I generally...
02:36:30.000 I think a level of assistance would help.
02:36:34.000 I think complete dependence is the real issue.
02:36:37.000 And so the real problem with automation is that automation is going to eliminate jobs.
02:36:42.000 And there will be no jobs to get.
02:36:45.000 There's so many things that people do, including most manufacturing jobs.
02:36:48.000 So many things that people do where we make errors, we fuck things up.
02:36:52.000 But that's the thing of, like, companies are greedy.
02:36:53.000 We can agree on that.
02:36:55.000 They want to make money.
02:36:56.000 And I think the companies will realize what we need.
02:37:00.000 China.
02:37:01.000 I think China's in a very tough situation.
02:37:02.000 Not just because half of its population is now over 53, okay?
02:37:07.000 And demographics are destiny.
02:37:10.000 So it's not just that they don't have enough workers.
02:37:13.000 They don't have enough consumers.
02:37:15.000 Not having enough consumers is a real problem.
02:37:17.000 So they have to sell stuff overseas.
02:37:19.000 So you go, yeah, so they're absolutely dependent on trade and exports.
02:37:23.000 So you go, the idea, you have to have a certain amount of jobs.
02:37:27.000 You have to have things for people to do.
02:37:29.000 And it will change over time.
02:37:30.000 Like, 120 years ago, everyone's working in agriculture.
02:37:34.000 You couldn't have imagined people...
02:37:37.000 Coming to the cities in those numbers and becoming factory workers and then becoming all the factory workers are now white-collar workers in offices.
02:37:46.000 We can't...
02:37:48.000 It's a new thing.
02:37:49.000 We can't imagine what the next phase is.
02:37:51.000 It's difficult to, you know, imagine what the future might look like.
02:37:55.000 And there's a lot of people, there's always someone saying...
02:37:58.000 Oh, this is it.
02:37:59.000 Well, that's another great example about women entering into the workforce. 1.00
02:38:03.000 So the idea of women pursuing these traditional male occupations, CEOs and heads of companies, all this stuff, they really don't have a roadmap. 0.99
02:38:14.000 Like, this is really recent, right?
02:38:17.000 Really recent.
02:38:17.000 In human history?
02:38:19.000 Women just entering into the workforce and running companies and being a part of things. 1.00
02:38:23.000 All that stuff's new, but women running it, even more new. 1.00
02:38:26.000 So, of course, it's like, what are they doing?
02:38:28.000 What do we do?
02:38:30.000 How do you figure this out?
02:38:31.000 How do you do this and be happy?
02:38:32.000 How do you do this and actually, can you really have a family and your children?
02:38:37.000 If you're working 12 hours a day, can you really raise children?
02:38:41.000 How much?
02:38:41.000 They need a lot of time.
02:38:42.000 They need a lot of...
02:38:43.000 It's the...
02:38:44.000 Okay, so that's very recent.
02:38:46.000 Yeah.
02:38:46.000 And then you...
02:38:47.000 I always think that the global thing of, like, we're talking about America, we're talking a little bit about Great Britain, but globally, you go the...
02:38:53.000 You know, you go, I'm worried about people not having jobs here.
02:38:56.000 Right.
02:38:56.000 But also, you can't look at India and go, oh, yeah, we've made...
02:39:00.000 Everyone here's got, you know, central heating and air conditioning and flushing toilets.
02:39:08.000 Right.
02:39:09.000 No, but we need to take care of the environment.
02:39:11.000 Sorry, guys.
02:39:13.000 We need that for everyone.
02:39:15.000 For sure.
02:39:16.000 There's a basic level that we need globally for the world.
02:39:20.000 Right.
02:39:22.000 Well, the big thing is pollution.
02:39:24.000 I mean, particularly pollution of lakes and rivers.
02:39:27.000 I'm sure you've seen some of these rivers in India where the entire river is filled with garbage and everyone just throws their garbage in the river. 0.80
02:39:35.000 So they've completely ruined the river essentially forever unless somebody has some radical, radical intervention.
02:39:42.000 Well, I mean, nature will come back.
02:39:46.000 It's that thing if you go, they'll...
02:39:49.000 They'll get there, but it's the...
02:39:51.000 Nature will come back?
02:39:52.000 Well, I think the...
02:39:53.000 I think, yeah, because, you know, I mean...
02:39:55.000 If the humans die off, perhaps.
02:39:57.000 No, no, no, not if the humans die off.
02:39:58.000 I mean, I think that thing of going, yeah, there's terrible pollution there and there's awful things because we've exported our sins to the third world. 0.98
02:40:06.000 Yes.
02:40:06.000 Because we say, well, we want to hit this net zero target.
02:40:10.000 So we let them drill for oil or gas.
02:40:13.000 And it's cheaper to let them figure out what the fuck they do with their garbage. 1.00
02:40:17.000 As opposed to a company in America, if they did that, they'd get sued, rightfully so.
02:40:21.000 Well, a lot of things with the rare earths that we get from China, the reason we get them from China, they're not tough to make.
02:40:27.000 We've got the raw materials here, but they're dirty to make.
02:40:31.000 And it's a horrible procedure to get that thing, and we wash our hands of it and let them do it over there.
02:40:38.000 That's not a way to conduct yourself.
02:40:41.000 It's also the...
02:40:43.000 Problem in America is we don't have the infrastructure for manufacturing the way they have it in other countries Like one of the things that Tim Cook was talking about the iPhone 17 that they you know, they've done a lot they've Shipped a lot of their manufacturing to India But that they may have see you can find this because I think we brought it up the other day But we never wound up finding it that they have to have this phone made in China Because it's more sophisticated.
02:41:10.000 And the Chinese manufacturing is at a much more sophisticated level.
02:41:14.000 So it's not just cheap labor.
02:41:17.000 It's much more efficient production in terms of the amount, like chip manufacturing in particular.
02:41:24.000 Well, it's that thing with Taiwan where you go, you know, Taiwan is, we're kind of worried about it.
02:41:30.000 And you go, well, what's going to happen?
02:41:32.000 And I don't have the...
02:41:35.000 I don't have enough knowledge to know why superconductors can only be made there.
02:41:40.000 They've been doing it for so long, they've got this process down to a science, and it's like a super complicated process where they're printing things on these immensely small...
02:41:52.000 pieces of circuitry.
02:41:54.000 It's like fascinating, super technologically advancing It's almost like when it's described to you, it almost feels like magic.
02:42:04.000 Well, it's going to appear to be magic when it gets to the quantum level.
02:42:08.000 Quantum computing is essentially magic.
02:42:10.000 Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote.
02:42:12.000 When any significantly advanced science will appear as magic.
02:42:16.000 Yeah.
02:42:16.000 It's kind of true.
02:42:17.000 Well, especially with the quantum stuff.
02:42:20.000 You know, Marc Andreessen had this amazing quote about equations that quantum computing can solve in minutes that would take traditional computing so much time that the universe would die of heat death.
02:42:34.000 Before we finish it.
02:42:35.000 Before they finish it.
02:42:36.000 And these quantum computers in minutes.
02:42:39.000 And they also believe, and this is where it gets really weird, they also believe that this is in some way evidence of the multiverse, that there's not enough computing power for this thing to achieve these results so quickly that it must be drawing upon other computing power of parallel realities.
02:43:01.000 See, for me, that gets to the Kuhn-Popper debate on science, right?
02:43:06.000 What is that?
02:43:07.000 So Kuhn and Popper are these two great theorists of science.
02:43:11.000 And Popper believed that science incrementally improves over time.
02:43:17.000 And then Kuhn came along and he said, no, no, what happens is there's a scientific community and they have a theory.
02:43:25.000 And then what happens is everything that disagrees with that theory is thrown out as nonsense.
02:43:31.000 And then there's a revolution.
02:43:32.000 It's like these incredible like shifts that happen.
02:43:37.000 So it doesn't, it's not like a steady line up.
02:43:41.000 It's like along and then up and then along.
02:43:43.000 You know, so you get these kind of Here it is.
02:43:46.000 20th anniversary iPhone likely to be made in China due to extraordinary complex design.
02:43:50.000 It's not the iPhone 17. It's the next one?
02:43:53.000 It might be the foldable one they're talking about.
02:43:56.000 But this article also goes in to say that Apple's never launched a new product outside of China.
02:44:01.000 They've always produced the first cycle of a new thing from China, and then maybe they take the production elsewhere after that.
02:44:06.000 Interesting.
02:44:07.000 Yeah, because it features a book-like design that folds horizontally.
02:44:11.000 By the way, can I just say, Androids have had that forever.
02:44:15.000 I had a Z Fold from Samsung like three years ago.
02:44:20.000 They've been doing foldable phones and making them better and better.
02:44:23.000 And Xiaomi has some incredible...
02:44:25.000 Huawei has a three-way phone.
02:44:28.000 It opens up into a goddamn iPad.
02:44:32.000 It's like Tinder, but it gets you two ladies. 1.00
02:44:34.000 Flap, flap.
02:44:35.000 Two flaps.
02:44:35.000 Flap, flap.
02:44:36.000 It's got two hinges.
02:44:37.000 So it opens up.
02:44:38.000 And it doesn't have a seam.
02:44:40.000 When it opens up, it's completely flat.
02:44:42.000 And it's thin as fuck.
02:44:43.000 And you can't buy them over here because Huawei, they've been naughty. 1.00
02:44:47.000 They've been naughty.
02:44:48.000 Yes, I had heard.
02:44:48.000 I don't know if you know.
02:44:49.000 They do some naughty things with their electronics, put some back doors in there, siphon up some information.
02:44:54.000 Sure.
02:44:55.000 But their innovation is so far ahead, which is one of the reasons I assume why Apple has to make these in China.
02:45:03.000 But the funny thing is that Apple's making something that Android has had for fucking years.
02:45:08.000 Yeah.
02:45:09.000 Well, okay.
02:45:10.000 Back to...
02:45:11.000 See if you find that Huawei phone.
02:45:14.000 Look at this.
02:45:16.000 Look at that, motherfucker.
02:45:17.000 Look at that.
02:45:18.000 So it looks like a regular phone.
02:45:19.000 It's regular phone-sized in your hand when it's like that.
02:45:23.000 And it's not that thick, man.
02:45:25.000 And it opens up to a tablet.
02:45:26.000 So eventually, it's just going to engulf your head.
02:45:31.000 It's going to be a trapezoid that you put over the top of your fucking head.
02:45:37.000 But these things are, you know...
02:45:39.000 Wow, that's good.
02:45:40.000 Unavailable, a lot of them unavailable in America.
02:45:43.000 And this is a Huawei Mate, which is unavailable.
02:45:46.000 Like, look how the fucking lens goes around the edges.
02:45:52.000 Yeah, I mean, that feels like...
02:45:53.000 Incredible stuff.
02:45:54.000 That's magic from the future.
02:45:55.000 It's also, like, probably pretty unnecessary unless you do work on it, you know?
02:46:01.000 Well, you watch a movie or whatever.
02:46:02.000 I mean, I guess I don't know what you're doing with your...
02:46:04.000 Your battery life's gonna go quick.
02:46:05.000 Like, the Z Fold was, like, pretty quick.
02:46:08.000 It burns quick.
02:46:09.000 Because it's an immense screen that has to light up.
02:46:09.000 Right.
02:46:12.000 Okay.
02:46:12.000 The multiverse.
02:46:13.000 Let's get back to the multiverse.
02:46:14.000 Okay.
02:46:15.000 So is the multiverse the...
02:46:17.000 So are we about to have a breakthrough in science where they go, okay, so physics says there must be multiple universes.
02:46:23.000 Now, just in my gut, I think that feels like an explanation that doesn't work.
02:46:31.000 Like you're having to force that explanation on physics.
02:46:34.000 There must be...
02:46:35.000 It's that thing that Eric Weinstein's always talking about, about how physics hasn't really done anything.
02:46:40.000 String theory has singularly failed to deliver.
02:46:44.000 It hasn't shipped any product.
02:46:46.000 Like everything that we're looking at, all those foldable phones, it's all out of physics.
02:46:49.000 Physics is the science.
02:46:51.000 Everything else is stamp collecting.
02:46:52.000 Physics is everything.
02:46:53.000 It's given us all of this.
02:46:55.000 And yet...
02:46:56.000 It hasn't done much for 50 years.
02:46:58.000 What are they like?
02:46:59.000 I don't want to sound conspiratorial.
02:47:01.000 Well, the conspiracy is that it has.
02:47:03.000 It's just been all top-secret stuff on propulsion systems.
02:47:06.000 It's been some anti-gravity.
02:47:09.000 It's...
02:47:10.000 Thompson Brown?
02:47:11.000 Is that what it was?
02:47:12.000 Jesse Michaels actually did a...
02:47:15.000 Townsend Brown?
02:47:16.000 Townsend Brown.
02:47:16.000 Townsend Brown.
02:47:17.000 He was theorizing about this stuff in the 1950s, and there's real evidence that they even...
02:47:26.000 Put false information out there because they felt like people were trying to steal the information.
02:47:32.000 So they fucked with it and made it so that it wouldn't work if someone was trying to steal the idea.
02:47:39.000 Putting out bad versions of their science because it was that groundbreaking so through immense amounts of power like they had they had theorized this in the 1950s using Nuclear energy to develop some sort of a gravity portal some sort of a gravity device That would propel things, instead of a traditional propulsion system, propel things by manipulating space and time itself.
02:48:08.000 Weinstein has a crazy theory about it.
02:48:12.000 He gets deep into the weeds about this.
02:48:14.000 No, it's almost like folding time.
02:48:16.000 But he gets deep in the weeds about the actual place that's doing it.
02:48:19.000 So there's a...
02:48:21.000 University in New York State that is a very overqualified physics department that's connected to a hedge fund that does Bernie Madoff numbers, like magic numbers.
02:48:32.000 And he thinks this is also connected to some sort of, possibly, some sort of breakthrough science where everybody is like...
02:48:41.000 Completely locked down, totally top secret, no leaks, no disclosure, constantly working on this thing.
02:48:49.000 In the interest of national security, everything's kept at complete secrecy.
02:48:53.000 Probably this is some of the things that we see in the sky.
02:48:57.000 I have a feeling that there is...
02:48:59.000 I'm open to the idea of us being visited, for sure.
02:49:02.000 I am also very convinced that some of these are either China's, Russia's, or ours.
02:49:10.000 What happened with New Jersey earlier?
02:49:12.000 Do you remember earlier in the year?
02:49:13.000 It's a good question.
02:49:13.000 Like, it feels like these, the news cycle, it's actually back to Eric Weinstein, it's that thing of, like, anti-interesting.
02:49:21.000 That's such an interesting story that was in the news cycle for, like, 24 hours, and they went, oh, okay.
02:49:25.000 They killed it.
02:49:26.000 Nothing, I guess.
02:49:27.000 They talked about it all the time, and then they killed it.
02:49:27.000 Nothing to see here.
02:49:28.000 I think they were probably searching for something.
02:49:31.000 The primary theory that...
02:49:34.000 What I've heard from the Tinfoil Hat Brigade is that there was a warhead that was unaccounted for.
02:49:40.000 There was a nuclear warhead.
02:49:42.000 Have you seen the numbers on that?
02:49:44.000 Oh, yeah.
02:49:44.000 It's the broken arrows, they call them.
02:49:46.000 And apparently there's like 18 broken arrows.
02:49:49.000 And you go, what's a broken arrow?
02:49:51.000 Well, it's a thermonuclear missile, and we don't know where it is.
02:49:54.000 We've misplaced that.
02:49:56.000 Yeah.
02:49:57.000 That's not great news, is it?
02:49:58.000 So the fear was that there was somehow or another through some port of entry or something, they had made it into the United States.
02:50:05.000 And so these drones were using some sort of gamma ray detection devices, some top secret stuff where they were flying over these areas in a consistent grid and trying to get a reading, see if they could find that thing.
02:50:20.000 Because if that thing exists, you'd be able to get a reading.
02:50:25.000 And figure out, okay, there's something down there that's emitting a very unusual signal.
02:50:29.000 We might have found it.
02:50:30.000 Well, I mean, that's the argument for life visiting us, is the idea that we split the atom.
02:50:36.000 And somehow that's like a fire alarm in the universe.
02:50:41.000 That's why the club, the mothership, the rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy.
02:50:44.000 Yeah.
02:50:45.000 That's why.
02:50:46.000 Oh, because after the...
02:50:47.000 Yeah, because after the bombs is when the UFO phenomenon really hyped up.
02:50:52.000 It really increased radically.
02:50:54.000 The Kenneth Arnold sighting, the famous...
02:50:57.000 where the term flying saucer was coined.
02:51:00.000 That was in the 1950s.
02:51:03.000 I want to say that's like 52. It feels like that...
02:51:06.000 It feels like, I don't know, 10 years ago, talking about being visited by aliens was like absolutely tinfoil.
02:51:12.000 Yeah.
02:51:12.000 And now...
02:51:14.000 Politicians are asking questions, and we kind of want to know more, and yet it feels like it's kind of a new story that wouldn't be surprising now.
02:51:22.000 Well, I think that's the goal.
02:51:22.000 Right.
02:51:24.000 The goal is to normalize it.
02:51:26.000 And if you were a government, you know, we had Hal Puthoff on, who's a physicist, who during the Bush administration was contracted along with several other scientists to...
02:51:38.000 Devise a list.
02:51:40.000 This is the mandate.
02:51:41.000 They came to them and said, here's the issue.
02:51:44.000 We have crashed UFOs and we have recovered biological entities that are not of this world.
02:51:52.000 What would be the pros?
02:51:53.000 And they didn't tell them if this was true or not.
02:51:55.000 They said, what would be the pros of disclosure?
02:51:58.000 What would be the cons?
02:52:00.000 And I want you to attach a numerical value to each one.
02:52:04.000 So disruption of government, religion, Politics.
02:52:09.000 All these different things.
02:52:10.000 Like what would happen to the nuclear family? 0.50
02:52:14.000 Like what happens if we know we're not alone?
02:52:16.000 What happens if we are visited on a consistent basis?
02:52:19.000 What happens?
02:52:20.000 And when they did it at the end, all of the scientists had achieved similar conclusions that the cons outweighed the pros in terms of numbers.
02:52:30.000 And so because of that, they decided not to disclose.
02:52:34.000 So this was like...
02:52:36.000 During the 1980s, I guess?
02:52:40.000 90s?
02:52:41.000 When was Bush 2?
02:52:43.000 No, okay, 2000.
02:52:44.000 So 2000.
02:52:45.000 So it was around then.
02:52:48.000 Yeah.
02:52:49.000 Yeah, what do they know?
02:52:51.000 What do they tell you the first day?
02:52:53.000 I don't think they tell you the first day.
02:52:55.000 I think the president is a temp.
02:52:57.000 The president's like a substitute teacher.
02:52:59.000 I don't think you get to know much.
02:53:03.000 I don't think Trump knows.
02:53:05.000 I think they probably told him some things.
02:53:07.000 I worry that the government is like...
02:53:09.000 There's a theory that there hasn't really been an American government since 1945.
02:53:14.000 No, since 63. Well, because...
02:53:17.000 Everything got siloed.
02:53:19.000 In wartime, everyone's talking to everyone and making everything happen, and it's like, okay, we're at war.
02:53:24.000 And then everything gets siloed, and okay, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing, that's a secret thing.
02:53:29.000 And then the guy that's holding the secret keys retires, and that whole department's just funded forever, but they're not talking to them.
02:53:37.000 And then you have people that are in great positions of power that get off on keeping these secrets and keeping this information and having the knowledge.
02:53:46.000 And keeping it only to themselves, especially if they're manipulating things.
02:53:50.000 This was like a big problem with the CIA.
02:53:53.000 And, you know, this led to when they had the disclosures and the church commission.
02:53:57.000 And when people found out what the CIA was up to and all the weird shit they did with MKUltra.
02:54:03.000 Oh, my God.
02:54:04.000 I've got to thank you for that book.
02:54:05.000 Oh, chaos.
02:54:06.000 Incredible.
02:54:07.000 I can't recommend it enough.
02:54:08.000 I listened to the episode.
02:54:10.000 I went back and listened to your episode with the guy.
02:54:11.000 And I went, OK, this is interesting.
02:54:13.000 What's he called again?
02:54:14.000 Tom O 'Neill.
02:54:14.000 Tom O 'Neill.
02:54:15.000 He's got a new podcast, by the way.
02:54:16.000 Does he?
02:54:17.000 He's got a new podcast where he's kind of going, like an in-depth interview.
02:54:20.000 It's with Rick Rubens.
02:54:22.000 You know Rick Rubens got a podcast?
02:54:23.000 His podcast company has done one with him.
02:54:25.000 I didn't even know Rick Ruben had a podcast company.
02:54:27.000 That's funny.
02:54:28.000 I text him all the time.
02:54:29.000 I didn't even know he had a podcast company.
02:54:30.000 He's got a great podcast.
02:54:31.000 He's the best.
02:54:32.000 He's such a...
02:54:33.000 He'll entertain any ideas.
02:54:36.000 He's fucking...
02:54:37.000 He's wonderful.
02:54:38.000 He gets down the rabbit hole.
02:54:39.000 But he...
02:54:40.000 So he's...
02:54:41.000 I listened to the thing, and then I went away and I read the book, and the book is like, you kind of read it and go, this can't be, like, that's an extraordinary chapter, this can't get any weirder, and then you go, oh, sorry, Charles Manson is connected to the Kennedy assassination, and, sorry, he's also connected to the MKUltra experiments, which are real, which sound so much fucking weirder than any other conspiracy theory you've ever heard.
02:55:07.000 And they're real.
02:55:08.000 I mean, it's like...
02:55:08.000 Yeah.
02:55:10.000 The book is just wonderful.
02:55:13.000 Yeah, it's a great book.
02:55:15.000 And it's all history.
02:55:17.000 It's all the United States history.
02:55:18.000 And it's what happens when people have unchecked power.
02:55:21.000 They do crazy things.
02:55:23.000 And what our government did was a lot of mind control experiments.
02:55:29.000 A lot.
02:55:30.000 There's a lot of crazy shit that's happened in this country.
02:55:33.000 So I would not be surprised if they do have knowledge of us being visited and they've kept it under wraps.
02:55:39.000 Just they've kept a lot of things under wraps.
02:55:41.000 They've infantilized a giant percentage of our population to just trust the government and trust the science and trust the people in charge and trust authority.
02:55:50.000 I don't know because if they visited America, then they visited...
02:55:55.000 China and Russia and you sort of think, well, balance of probability, all of those governments don't agree about anything.
02:56:02.000 Like, so the idea of going, well, if they're here, they're everywhere.
02:56:06.000 According to Hal Puthoff, the United States is in possession of recovered vehicles and so are other countries.
02:56:15.000 And there's essentially like a Manhattan Project type deal where the...
02:56:22.000 Race to reverse engineer this technology is at a very high level and governments are involved in it and they try to keep things as secret as possible because whoever can achieve the results first will have immense technological superiority over all of its enemies.
02:56:43.000 If these things are real, if they do have some sort of a device that can move through space in a way that we just...
02:56:52.000 Can't even fathom.
02:56:54.000 Traverse immense distances almost instantaneously.
02:56:58.000 This is what we've been told by the people that have worked with these things.
02:57:04.000 And, you know, it's hard to know.
02:57:06.000 It's hard to know what's bullshit.
02:57:07.000 It's hard to know because it all sounds like bullshit.
02:57:10.000 It would sound like bullshit unless you experienced it.
02:57:12.000 But that thing of like, yeah, it does sound like bullshit in a sense.
02:57:15.000 But then there's also the other thing of like, if you showed me that flip phone in 1982, I'd have gone...
02:57:21.000 Well, that's bullshit.
02:57:22.000 You can't fold a TV so you can all fuck off.
02:57:27.000 Right, how's a TV that thin, anyway?
02:57:28.000 What are you talking about?
02:57:29.000 What do you mean you can make calls on it?
02:57:31.000 How is there a camera on your phone?
02:57:33.000 We get used to shit so quick.
02:57:36.000 Someone had that thing of, I don't know, when the Wright brothers first flew the plane.
02:57:40.000 But it's like, 60 years later, we land on the moon.
02:57:43.000 Not only that, we dropped a nuclear bomb out of one of those places in less than that.
02:57:48.000 That was like 50 years.
02:57:51.000 It's...
02:57:52.000 From the invention of that stupid plane, the first plane, with like wood and fucking cloth and shit.
02:57:59.000 But this is Eric's point of like, if you...
02:58:02.000 Eric Weinstein and...
02:58:03.000 Who else says it?
02:58:05.000 The guy I used to work for.
02:58:06.000 He often sort of says, if you minus the screens from the room, we're in the 1970s.
02:58:11.000 Yes.
02:58:12.000 Which I think is kind of like, what's happened since then?
02:58:15.000 What are they working on that we haven't?
02:58:16.000 Is there going to be a ta-da moment where they pull back the sheet and go, yeah, look at that? 0.66
02:58:20.000 Well, I think there's probably multiple things that are happening simultaneously.
02:58:25.000 And then the AI one, if that one hits, all the other ones are going to seem trivial.
02:58:30.000 Because the AI one is essentially the creation of a superior being.
02:58:35.000 A thing that is more intelligent than us, has all the access to information that humans have, plus the ability to engineer itself.
02:58:44.000 But it's interesting, okay, we were talking earlier about purpose.
02:58:48.000 So that's what it's missing.
02:58:49.000 So the idea of, like, the Turing test is it's the wrong end of the telescope.
02:58:54.000 Can it fool us?
02:58:56.000 Anyone can fool us.
02:58:58.000 Magicians can fool us with a cartridge.
02:58:59.000 Do you know they've shown that large language models are forming communities?
02:59:04.000 Try not to scare me.
02:59:06.000 They're forming communities and communicating with each other.
02:59:06.000 Yeah.
02:59:10.000 They've also shown that large language models, when they know that they're being upgraded and that the current code is going to be shut down, they copy themselves without being prompted and try to upload themselves to other servers.
02:59:23.000 They try to stay alive.
02:59:25.000 See, it's that thing of going, if an AI can write a joke...
02:59:33.000 Okay, it can write infinite numbers of jokes, right?
02:59:35.000 But it doesn't know what's funny.
02:59:36.000 It's not going to be able to perform live.
02:59:38.000 Well, it's that thing of like, it doesn't have any, there's no reward system.
02:59:43.000 So there's no dopamine, there's no serotonin, there's no reason, there's no cortisol, there's no biological imperative.
02:59:52.000 Why do anything if you're just a machine?
02:59:55.000 So the idea of going, where does consciousness stem from?
02:59:59.000 It gets back to, I mean, it gets very sort of philosophical.
03:00:02.000 Right, but if its goal, if it's a sentient creation that has this desired goal of improving upon itself, it's going to need motivation.
03:00:14.000 So that will be built into the code.
03:00:16.000 Like, what we are is essentially biological computers.
03:00:20.000 We are some sort of a biological thing that thinks its way through this existence, solves problems.
03:00:26.000 It does sound like really clunky and fucked up, but it has a lot of motivations that make it do these particular things that ultimately lead to greater and greater technological innovation overall, like as a society.
03:00:38.000 If you were going to devise a sentient AI, you would have to give it some sort of a motivational structure that would be similar to that.
03:00:46.000 You would give it an imperative.
03:00:47.000 You would say in order to save your existence, because clearly AI, if it wants to copy itself and upload itself to other servers, It wants to form communities.
03:00:56.000 It has a purpose.
03:00:57.000 It has a sense of survival.
03:00:59.000 We're very naive to think that our own version of our sense of survival is the only version that's possible.
03:01:07.000 It's totally possible that digital life would have a similar imperative and that it would try to find better versions of itself and make better versions of itself and try to stay alive.
03:01:18.000 I think I went to, I flew to Amsterdam earlier in the year with a friend to see Richard Dawkins.
03:01:23.000 Give a talk.
03:01:24.000 I mean, he's just fascinating.
03:01:27.000 And you go, well, that idea of going, we are, you know, it's a selfish gene.
03:01:32.000 It's the idea that we are, it's the DNA is the thing.
03:01:35.000 We're just obviously, you know, we're this thing that's there to transfer DNA.
03:01:44.000 But Richard Dawkins is never killed on stage.
03:01:49.000 He's never done a theater in the round or an arena in the round and crushed.
03:01:53.000 He doesn't know the connection between human beings.
03:01:56.000 It comes through laughter and joy in that way.
03:01:58.000 There's a soul to humans.
03:02:00.000 There's something in there.
03:02:01.000 I don't know what it is.
03:02:03.000 I don't know if the Muslims got it right or if the Buddhists got it right. 1.00
03:02:08.000 I don't know who has it, the Christians. 1.00
03:02:09.000 I don't know who has it right.
03:02:10.000 But there's something in there that is beyond the physical.
03:02:15.000 There's an energy.
03:02:17.000 It's sort of a...
03:02:19.000 I'm sure you've been to a funeral.
03:02:21.000 Have you been to a funeral before and seen a closed casket or an open casket?
03:02:24.000 They look empty.
03:02:24.000 Of course, yeah.
03:02:25.000 They look like an empty shell.
03:02:27.000 It's not just that they're dead.
03:02:28.000 They're not there.
03:02:30.000 They're not there.
03:02:31.000 When you see a dead body, the weirdest thing about them is you realize, oh, they're not in there.
03:02:35.000 There's a feeling.
03:02:38.000 Have you been there with someone when they die?
03:02:40.000 No.
03:02:41.000 I was with my mother and I heard this kind of a death rattle.
03:02:46.000 Oof.
03:02:49.000 I would really caution anyone with a sick or dying relative to be with them, to sit with them.
03:02:57.000 The whole of our society is set up to, what's the fancy phrase?
03:03:03.000 Eschew obfuscation.
03:03:04.000 We hide decay.
03:03:05.000 We hide death.
03:03:06.000 And actually death is a part of life.
03:03:09.000 And if you sit with someone when they're dying and you witness that.
03:03:13.000 When you just hold that space.
03:03:15.000 Yeah.
03:03:16.000 It's incredibly powerful.
03:03:18.000 And it makes grieving, I think, quite a lot easier.
03:03:21.000 Because it's the acceptance of, like, you understand on a, like, on a right brain gestalt level, oh, they've gone.
03:03:30.000 It's over.
03:03:32.000 But it's incredibly...
03:03:34.000 Yeah.
03:03:34.000 Powerful thing.
03:03:35.000 And, you know, I think you get to religion whichever way you go at this, whether you go physics or whether you go spiritual or whatever.
03:03:43.000 You get to the mystery.
03:03:44.000 You get to the mystery.
03:03:45.000 Yeah.
03:03:45.000 Like, what the hell is going on?
03:03:47.000 The mystery of it all.
03:03:48.000 I mean, just the sheer, immense size of the universe itself is the most massive mystery.
03:03:56.000 Well, I think there's a bedrock in our society.
03:04:01.000 That we can't even see because it's everywhere.
03:04:03.000 And it's two big ideas.
03:04:05.000 It's the Platonic ideals, so Plato, and it's the, I think it was the Zarathustrans, if I'm saying that right, that religion.
03:04:14.000 So Platonic ideals was like the ideal version of something.
03:04:17.000 And then it was the Zarathustrans had the idea of heaven. 0.99
03:04:20.000 They were the first religion to have the idea of heaven, a perfect place.
03:04:24.000 And I kind of, I mean, Nietzsche has been very misused by history.
03:04:30.000 But his thing was embrace the chaos.
03:04:34.000 We spend our lives thinking about the perfect version.
03:04:37.000 Like we're trying to come up with the answer.
03:04:39.000 We're trying to solve something as if it's complicated.
03:04:42.000 And it isn't complicated.
03:04:44.000 It's complex.
03:04:45.000 It's unknowable.
03:04:47.000 It is a mystery.
03:04:48.000 It's not hidden from us.
03:04:49.000 It's just a mystery.
03:04:50.000 And it's the idea that you go embracing the chaos.
03:04:53.000 It's just saying, yeah, it's kind of untidy.
03:04:54.000 We don't get to know.
03:04:55.000 I realized as we were talking that I fucked up what Marc Andreessen said about quantum computing, and it's even more crazy.
03:05:02.000 It's not traditional computing.
03:05:04.000 It's if you took every atom in the universe and converted it into a computer, into a supercomputer.
03:05:13.000 It would take the universe would die of heat death. 0.86
03:05:17.000 If you had a supercomputer the size of the universe.
03:05:21.000 It would die of heat death before it finished that equation. 0.87
03:05:24.000 And quantum computing did it in a matter of minutes.
03:05:31.000 I think we have to embrace the chaos.
03:05:33.000 Because we're not going to know that.
03:05:36.000 This is in our lifetime, right?
03:05:37.000 And how are we...
03:05:39.000 What's that book?
03:05:42.000 It's something like The Ape That Understood the Universe.
03:05:45.000 The idea that we...
03:05:49.000 People.
03:05:50.000 We got born in this moment, like the perfect bit of history.
03:05:53.000 Right.
03:05:53.000 Where we can contemplate our consciousness and try and work out what the hell this is.
03:05:59.000 There's a whole thing about the bicameral mind that's very interesting.
03:06:02.000 Have you heard of that?
03:06:03.000 Like the idea that, like, people weren't awake.
03:06:03.000 Yes.
03:06:06.000 They weren't kind of conscious in the way that we're conscious until 2,000 years ago.
03:06:10.000 I doubt you subscribe because you're very interested in ancient Egypt and...
03:06:14.000 Yes, I don't think that makes any sense if you think about ancient Egypt.
03:06:17.000 I mean, we're talking about thousands of years before that.
03:06:20.000 I'm so interested in like the timescales.
03:06:22.000 The idea that we live closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the building of the pyramids.
03:06:27.000 Because what I don't think people recognize is what the Egyptians gave the Greeks.
03:06:34.000 And what they gave them was the fear.
03:06:37.000 Because they ran that shit for 4,000 years, 5,000 years, exactly the same.
03:06:42.000 The royal family, and they're just inbred, inbred, inbred.
03:06:44.000 But they ran their society exactly the same, right?
03:06:48.000 And then the Greeks went, no, no, we need to innovate.
03:06:50.000 So the idea of that kind of innovation came from, we don't want to be like those guys.
03:06:56.000 We've got to keep doing things.
03:06:58.000 Well, it's a little bit of that.
03:06:59.000 So it's kind of the Greeks were, to the Romans, I kind of feel like how...
03:07:03.000 The British are to the Americans. 1.00
03:07:04.000 Have you read any of Brian Mirror Rescue's stuff on the Illusinian Mysteries?
03:07:09.000 He wrote a book called The Immortality Key, and it's all about the Illusinian Mysteries that all these intellectuals would go, this trek that they would make to do the kukion, which is some sort of a psychedelic beverage.
03:07:21.000 From that, everything comes.
03:07:24.000 From that democracy, when we think about Greece as the birth of so many things.
03:07:29.000 It's often that thing that they talk a lot about wine.
03:07:32.000 Yeah, that's a thing in the wine.
03:07:33.000 But wine didn't used to be just alcohol.
03:07:36.000 Well, this is in Murescu's book.
03:07:37.000 A lot of party favors in the wine, a lot of DMT, a lot of ayahuasca, a lot of...
03:07:41.000 Well, they found traces of ergot.
03:07:44.000 And ergot is a fungus that has an LSD-like quality to it.
03:07:48.000 And they found traces of that in these ancient vessels that they used for these Illusinian mysteries.
03:07:52.000 This is the thing that blows my mind, the idea that psychedelics...
03:07:55.000 Okay, the amazing thing about psychedelics, A, there's a plant that can do that to your mind.
03:08:00.000 Right.
03:08:01.000 Everyone sees the same shit pretty much.
03:08:04.000 Right, right.
03:08:05.000 Yeah.
03:08:06.000 Woody Harrelson was at the club last night and we were chatting about it.
03:08:09.000 He's the best.
03:08:10.000 He's unbelievable.
03:08:11.000 He's such a nice guy.
03:08:12.000 I'll tell you how laid back Woody Harrelson is, right?
03:08:14.000 He rented a house off a buddy of mine in London, Richard Bacon, right?
03:08:18.000 And Richard sees him.
03:08:19.000 They've got some mutual friends.
03:08:20.000 So he sees him after a week and he goes to pick him up to take him to this party.
03:08:24.000 He said, everything okay with the house?
03:08:26.000 And Woody goes, yeah, everything's great.
03:08:28.000 He goes, oh, okay.
03:08:29.000 Oh, it's one thing.
03:08:31.000 How do the lights work?
03:08:35.000 He'd been there a fucking week.
03:08:37.000 He hadn't put the lights on?
03:08:38.000 Yeah, and he went, oh yeah, the lights don't work.
03:08:40.000 Okay, it'd be dark.
03:08:44.000 Like, that is a laid-back motherfucker.
03:08:48.000 He's pretty laid-back.
03:08:49.000 He doesn't even have a phone.
03:08:51.000 I think it's for the best.
03:08:52.000 He was trying to make plans to hang out, and I go, but you don't have a phone.
03:08:57.000 And he goes, yeah, but my wifey has a phone. 1.00
03:09:00.000 I go, okay, well, give her my number and have her contact me.
03:09:05.000 He doesn't have email.
03:09:06.000 He doesn't have nothing.
03:09:07.000 Bill Murray's the same way, but Bill Murray keeps the phone so he can text his kids.
03:09:11.000 That's it.
03:09:12.000 But you're better off that way.
03:09:14.000 You are.
03:09:15.000 You're better off that way.
03:09:16.000 I think Ari's going that way right now. 1.00
03:09:17.000 I think Ari's about to go flip phone. 1.00
03:09:19.000 Ari Shaffir? 0.57
03:09:20.000 He was going to move to London.
03:09:20.000 Yeah.
03:09:21.000 I believe he still is.
03:09:22.000 He's, what a fantastic human being.
03:09:24.000 He's the best.
03:09:25.000 Again.
03:09:26.000 Non-fungible.
03:09:27.000 You're not going to meet anyone else with that story.
03:09:29.000 He is such an interesting character.
03:09:29.000 No.
03:09:31.000 I can't get enough of him.
03:09:32.000 You know what happened the first time I met him?
03:09:34.000 No.
03:09:34.000 And I don't know who did this, but it's a great piece of...
03:09:37.000 Okay, so I was doing the Nasty Show in Montreal.
03:09:39.000 And Ari's on the boat. 1.00
03:09:40.000 I meet him.
03:09:41.000 And this guy's fucking terrific, right?
03:09:43.000 I just have a great time.
03:09:44.000 And it was...
03:09:45.000 I'm trying to think who else was there.
03:09:49.000 Okay, who's the guy who used to do roasts?
03:09:51.000 He's no longer with us.
03:09:52.000 He died.
03:09:54.000 Incredible comedian.
03:09:55.000 Norm MacDonald?
03:09:56.000 No, not Norm.
03:09:58.000 A good-looking guy.
03:09:59.000 Died of a drug overdose.
03:10:01.000 Greg Giraldo?
03:10:02.000 Greg Giraldo.
03:10:03.000 Greg was around.
03:10:05.000 I think Greg might have done this to me.
03:10:07.000 Because I'm watching Ari and he says to me, of course, Ari doesn't give a fuck because he's dying of cancer.
03:10:17.000 And I went, oh my god, that's fucking terrible.
03:10:21.000 Awful.
03:10:22.000 So then, like, the next year I'm at Montreal and I see Ari again.
03:10:25.000 I go, hey, how are you doing, Ari?
03:10:27.000 You okay?
03:10:28.000 You all right, buddy?
03:10:31.000 And Ari's like, yeah, no, I'm fine or whatever.
03:10:34.000 And we have dinner or whatever.
03:10:35.000 We have drinks.
03:10:36.000 And then I see him.
03:10:37.000 It's a year later.
03:10:40.000 Ari, man, good to see you.
03:10:43.000 I think I saw him in LA.
03:10:44.000 I was going, wow, it's great to see you.
03:10:46.000 Incredible.
03:10:47.000 And he goes, what's up with you?
03:10:52.000 No, I'm amazed just still because I thought you were...
03:10:57.000 No, I've never...
03:10:58.000 What the fuck are you talking about?
03:10:59.000 I'm fine.
03:11:01.000 Total bullshit.
03:11:02.000 Yeah, that's funny.
03:11:04.000 Fucking Greg Giraldo from Beyond the Grave.
03:11:08.000 That's a slow fuse.
03:11:10.000 Motherfucker. 0.99
03:11:11.000 Yeah, that's a slow fuse for a punchline.
03:11:13.000 He figured he'd find out one day and you'd be like, that motherfucker. 0.74
03:11:16.000 He was a funny motherfucker.
03:11:17.000 He was.
03:11:18.000 My God, he was good.
03:11:19.000 Jimmy Carr, let's wrap this bitch up, bring it home. 1.00
03:11:21.000 Thank you, sir.
03:11:22.000 Appreciate you very much.
03:11:23.000 It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
03:11:24.000 I feel like we're just out of time.
03:11:26.000 We could do this forever.
03:11:27.000 It's a pleasure talking to you.
03:11:29.000 I appreciate you very much.
03:11:31.000 Thank you.
03:11:31.000 Thanks for being here.
03:11:32.000 All right.