The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2327 - AJ Gentile

00:00:18.000 You did not have to do that.

00:00:21.000 I appreciate it. 0.97

00:00:22.000 I fucking love your channel, dude. 0.94

00:00:23.000 I've spent countless hours watching your hilarious videos. 0.98

00:00:28.000 So cool that you've even found it.

00:00:31.000 Well, you know, Gino told me about it.

00:00:33.000 Your brother Gino, who I've been friends with for years, told me about it a long time ago, that you guys were doing this.

00:00:37.000 And I was like, really?

00:00:39.000 Interesting. 0.99

00:00:40.000 And then I watched him, like, this is fucking great. 0.98

00:00:43.000 It's right up my alley. 0.99

00:00:45.000 You would show clips all the time, and it would drive Gino nuts.

00:00:49.000 And then finally, it got named, Reggie Watts was here. 0.99

00:00:53.000 And he's like, you ever hear at the Y-Files, you guys are talking about moon landing shit. 0.98

00:00:56.000 And you're like, what's that? 0.99

00:00:58.000 I don't know.

00:00:59.000 A week or two later, Gina gets a text.

00:01:01.000 Are you the Y-Files?

00:01:02.000 He didn't tell me the name of it.

00:01:04.000 He was so excited.

00:01:05.000 Yeah, it's a great show, dude.

00:01:07.000 It's like everything I'm fascinated by.

00:01:11.000 Anunnaki, aliens, secret bases. 0.97

00:01:14.000 How did you get involved with making a show like this?

00:01:18.000 Is this something you've always been interested in?

00:01:20.000 I mean, like, grew up Art Bell.

00:01:22.000 Yes, there he is.

00:01:24.000 There he is.

00:01:25.000 I mean, the GOAT.

00:01:26.000 The GOAT.

00:01:28.000 Dad was an overnight cop, so always overnight radio.

00:01:31.000 So it was always Dr. Demento.

00:01:33.000 Yes.

00:01:34.000 You remember him?

00:01:35.000 And Art Bell.

00:01:36.000 So I kind of grew up with the weird stories.

00:01:38.000 And it just got in the twilight zone.

00:01:40.000 We watched as kids.

00:01:41.000 It was like required watching from dad.

00:01:43.000 The old black and whites, the classics.

00:01:45.000 So that was always in there.

00:01:47.000 So I'll skip 20 years.

00:01:50.000 We had a podcasting studio in LA on Sunset.

00:01:53.000 We were doing pretty well.

00:01:54.000 We're hosting a lot of shows, guys you knew, like when COVID hit, Kill Tony came and worked out of our studio, Jeremiah, Metzger, all the guys.

00:02:03.000 Didn't make any money, but it was a cool setup.

00:02:05.000 But then they locked down the city, impossibly, and didn't really know what to do.

00:02:11.000 Then they set fire to the city, somehow.

00:02:13.000 And the wife and I are racing down Hollywood Boulevard being chased by people with bats and boxes of Adidas.

00:02:20.000 And we're like, this is too much.

00:02:23.000 And we just started packing.

00:02:25.000 That's it.

00:02:25.000 We got out.

00:02:26.000 And I didn't know what to do.

00:02:27.000 So I've been working in showbiz, not super successfully like on the cusp, but I've been a professional host, editor, producer, writer for TV.

00:02:38.000 So I was like, YouTube.

00:02:40.000 Easy.

00:02:40.000 I'm a natural.

00:02:41.000 So I started the channel talking about science and weird stuff, and it was the hardest thing I ever did.

00:02:46.000 It was, like, impossible to do.

00:02:50.000 And I started out, like, following all the consultants.

00:02:53.000 High energy!

00:02:54.000 Smash the like!

00:02:55.000 Be a YouTuber!

00:02:56.000 Top 10 list!

00:02:57.000 And I did that for a little while.

00:02:58.000 It's like, ah, no one's watching. 1.00

00:03:00.000 This feels stupid. 1.00

00:03:04.000 let me just talk about the shit I want to talk about. 0.99

00:03:06.000 So I think I, You know, Admiral Byrd goes down to Antarctica with an armed fleet, supposedly looking for Nazi UFOs, and it's a six-month mission, and in, like, a few days they have to turn back, and it's crazy stuff. 0.99

00:03:23.000 So I did that story, and I think I got 50,000 views.

00:03:27.000 I don't think I saw that one.

00:03:28.000 It's an old one.

00:03:29.000 What happened in Operation High Jump?

00:03:31.000 All right.

00:03:31.000 Admiral Byrd goes down.

00:03:32.000 This is just after the war.

00:03:34.000 Remember, the Nazis were fleeing to South America, so mostly Argentina.

00:03:38.000 So the Nazis had established or tried to establish a base in Antarctica.

00:03:42.000 That's true.

00:03:43.000 It's New Schwabenland.

00:03:45.000 Now, people say they were trying to build a Nazi base and all that stuff.

00:03:49.000 They were really just looking for a whaling station to get oil.

00:03:51.000 So Hitler didn't want to rely on outside sources.

00:03:55.000 So anyway, after the war, they go down there.

00:03:57.000 We still don't really know specifically why.

00:03:59.000 It was supposed to be just to see how our aircraft would operate in cold weather.

00:04:06.000 That was what they said.

00:04:07.000 But this was a fleet that was armed to the teeth.

00:04:10.000 Like, super, like, armed.

00:04:12.000 The first helicopters were there.

00:04:14.000 Destroyers.

00:04:15.000 So they go down there.

00:04:16.000 It's supposed to be a multi-month mission.

00:04:20.000 maybe six months.

00:04:21.000 They get down there and in like And no one really knows why.

00:04:29.000 There's a press contingent there.

00:04:31.000 No one knows what's going on.

00:04:33.000 And Admiral Byrd starts giving these weird interviews.

00:04:36.000 And the first one was in Spanish.

00:04:37.000 It might have been either Argentinian or Brazilian newspaper.

00:04:41.000 And he talks about how there could be these craft that attack the United States from the poles.

00:04:46.000 And craft that can fly pole to pole.

00:04:49.000 And people were like, what's that?

00:04:51.000 And just sparked this...

00:04:53.000 And you can hear him talking about these things.

00:04:56.000 So High Jump goes down there to look for stuff.

00:05:00.000 We don't really know why they left.

00:05:02.000 Admiral Byrd was talking about these crafts?

00:05:05.000 Admiral Richard E. Byrd, his famous guy, flew the North Pole like a super badass.

00:05:10.000 He was, on paper, the commanding officer, but he preferred to just fly his plane and do stuff.

00:05:17.000 So the legend is, they get down there, Admiral Byrd takes his plane.

00:05:21.000 He starts flying across Antarctica and sees patches of green.

00:05:25.000 He can't believe it.

00:05:27.000 And he's on the radio saying, I'm seeing this.

00:05:30.000 Rolling hills.

00:05:31.000 Sun is shining.

00:05:32.000 He keeps flying.

00:05:33.000 It gets greener and greener.

00:05:34.000 And then he's like, I just saw woolly mammoths.

00:05:37.000 Woolly mammoths grazing in the green.

00:05:39.000 And he keeps going.

00:05:40.000 And he's on the radio.

00:05:41.000 And then he's talking.

00:05:42.000 I'm seeing all this stuff.

00:05:44.000 The sun is bright.

00:05:45.000 And then radio contact goes out.

00:05:47.000 He's flying and flying.

00:05:48.000 Suddenly he's engulfed in light.

00:05:50.000 And he doesn't know where he is.

00:05:51.000 The green is behind him.

00:05:53.000 He's just flying in light, just trying to get his bearings.

00:05:55.000 And then up beside him, two flying saucers, just kind of next to him.

00:06:00.000 Almost like, you know, the F-16s trying to wave you down.

00:06:03.000 Two flying saucers.

00:06:04.000 And he looks over, and they have swastikas on them.

00:06:07.000 And he's like, uh-oh.

00:06:09.000 So he's on the stick, and he feels the stick shaking, and then the stick just goes dead.

00:06:22.000 So that's how that happens.

00:06:23.000 And they take Admiral Byrd out, and they're tall aliens.

00:06:28.000 With swastikas on their crafts. 0.93

00:06:31.000 On the crafts.

00:06:33.000 Like the ancient symbol.

00:06:35.000 I don't know.

00:06:36.000 Which would be reversed, right?

00:06:38.000 Well, I think there was a bunch of different versions.

00:06:40.000 I think the Nazi one was kind of tilted.

00:06:43.000 Yes.

00:06:43.000 But there was a bunch of the Hindu ones and a lot of the Japanese ones.

00:06:47.000 For thousands of years.

00:06:48.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 A positive symbol of life and prosperity.

00:06:52.000 We don't know how they were oriented because I debunked all this.

00:06:56.000 I'm telling you the legend.

00:06:57.000 Right.

00:06:58.000 Because that's kind of my format, right?

00:06:59.000 Right, right, right.

00:06:59.000 I get you excited.

00:07:00.000 We should explain that to people.

00:07:01.000 You get everybody all jazzed up, and at the end, you kind of...

00:07:06.000 Yeah, it's fun.

00:07:08.000 And I watch the numbers.

00:07:09.000 Like, as soon as I say, but is it true?

00:07:11.000 Like, everyone's done.

00:07:13.000 Nobody wants to know the truth.

00:07:14.000 Nobody wants to know.

00:07:15.000 They want to know fun.

00:07:16.000 And then I'll get the hate mail.

00:07:17.000 You ruined it for me.

00:07:18.000 So what is the truth?

00:07:20.000 The truth is a lot of that comes from Admiral Byrd's diary, which was discovered years later, which was not his diary.

00:07:26.000 Oh.

00:07:28.000 Right. 0.97

00:07:29.000 Horseshit. 0.98

00:07:30.000 Horseshit. 0.98

00:07:30.000 And he flew the North Pole, not the South Pole. 0.98

00:07:35.000 But here's the interesting thing.

00:07:36.000 He was in a single-man aircraft that only had so much fuel.

00:07:39.000 He was, which can only fly for a little bit, he was out of radio contact for three hours.

00:07:45.000 Nobody knows where he went.

00:07:47.000 What was his take on it?

00:07:49.000 We don't really know.

00:07:51.000 So it's just he went radio silent for three hours and then the legend grew.

00:07:55.000 It's like he did that interview as soon as they got back and then something must have happened because he got real quiet.

00:08:01.000 But he would go on TV and he would talk.

00:08:03.000 But the pole-to-pole thing was he was just warning that the poles are a vulnerable space.

00:08:09.000 Like we need to keep an eye on the North Pole because if there's a base on North or South Pole, you can attack from there.

00:08:14.000 So let's keep an eye on that.

00:08:15.000 That was kind of his point.

00:08:17.000 The Antarctica situation is very strange because I don't know if you ever saw the Sean Ryan show where he talked to this guy that worked with a neutrino detector down there.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, have you seen that?

00:08:30.000 I haven't seen Sean do it, but I know the guy.

00:08:32.000 And the guy was saying that it's not just a neutrino detector.

00:08:35.000 It's a direct energy weapon that can cause earthquakes.

00:08:39.000 This is like the DEWs. 0.95

00:08:42.000 The U.S. has always been fascinated.

00:08:45.000 Direct energy weapons.

00:08:46.000 That's where the HAARP conspiracies come from and all of that.

00:08:51.000 And if you don't know what HAARP is, that's the High Altitude of Rural Research Project.

00:08:56.000 This array of antennas in Alaska that's built by the U.S. government to study the ionosphere.

00:09:02.000 But for some reason it costs hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:09:05.000 And when you look at it, you're like, where'd the money go?

00:09:08.000 It's like a building's a box and it's a bunch of antennas.

00:09:10.000 Where I'm getting at is...

00:09:18.000 So I did an episode on Project Bluebeam, which is a conspiracy about how the United Nations or the shadow government will create these holograms in the sky.

00:09:30.000 And that will force one world government.

00:09:33.000 We can get into it if you want to.

00:09:34.000 But I kind of debunk it saying holograms need a substrate.

00:09:41.000 Glass.

00:09:42.000 It's really what you need.

00:09:44.000 But then the technology has gotten to the point where you can ionize atmosphere and create things in the atmosphere.

00:09:53.000 So something like HAARP conceivably could create something up there.

00:09:59.000 Something visual.

00:10:00.000 Something visual.

00:10:02.000 And I've heard people say that, you know, the UAPs, UFOs may not be real.

00:10:06.000 They could just be holograms for some reason.

00:10:09.000 I heard that too.

00:10:10.000 Yeah.

00:10:11.000 Or a combination of many different things.

00:10:14.000 Yes.

00:10:14.000 I think there's probably a lot of different factors that people are seeing.

00:10:17.000 I was watching a video the other day.

00:10:19.000 I'm not sure if it's real, but I put it on my Instagram anyway, on my story because it was just fun, of ball lightning, which is real.

00:10:26.000 But this ball lightning was moving around a parking lot and it was extraordinary.

00:10:31.000 Is this one?

00:10:32.000 Oh, yes.

00:10:33.000 The plasma lasers that the Navy apparently has the ability to make some stuff like this.

00:10:37.000 3D images in the air.

00:10:39.000 Yeah.

00:10:39.000 They can also make them make sounds somehow too, which is an interesting...

00:10:44.000 So in Project Bluebeam, the energy comes from a satellite array.

00:10:49.000 So can satellites do that yet?

00:10:52.000 If it can, they won't tell us.

00:10:54.000 But that could be a way where you could throw off the enemy or freak people out and pretend that there's some sort of an alien invasion.

00:11:03.000 It's really just a hologram.

00:11:04.000 Really just a hologram.

00:11:05.000 And that's, you know, that's Blue Beam is supposed to...

00:11:19.000 And atheists will see different things. 0.68

00:11:22.000 And people will just freak out.

00:11:26.000 Nationalism will go away.

00:11:27.000 Atheists will see different things.

00:11:29.000 Like, why?

00:11:30.000 Because, according to the legend, the array or the technology will manipulate your mind.

00:11:38.000 Again, Harp has been accused of this because you can manipulate someone's mind with electromagnetic frequencies at the right frequencies.

00:11:44.000 So they could just tell you to see something.

00:11:47.000 So like that specific?

00:11:48.000 That specific.

00:11:49.000 Allegedly.

00:11:50.000 Now, I debunk a lot of it because the story originally came from a Canadian journalist named Serge Manasse, a fascinating figure.

00:11:58.000 He comes out with this theory that's bonkers.

00:12:02.000 And then the Canadian government takes his kids away because they're homeschooled.

00:12:05.000 He gets harassed by authorities.

00:12:07.000 He gets hauled off to jail for spreading disinformation, dies of a heart attack the next day.

00:12:12.000 So then, of course, that's just like that lights the fuse.

00:12:16.000 What did he find?

00:12:18.000 So and he talked very publicly about all of this.

00:12:22.000 So that's that's supposedly how it happens is they manipulate our minds.

00:12:26.000 They show us what we want to see.

00:12:27.000 And then it's not like we won't resist authority.

00:12:31.000 We'll beg for it.

00:12:32.000 We'll just beg to take our freedom, take our rights, keep us safe.

00:12:36.000 Whoa.

00:12:37.000 Because something huge is happening and we need to consolidate.

00:12:41.000 I feel like that's what would happen.

00:12:44.000 Well, I'm sure you've seen the Hal put off thing.

00:12:46.000 Did you see when Hal put off George Bush during his presidency?

00:12:52.000 They floated the idea of disclosure.

00:12:55.000 Did you ever see this?

00:12:56.000 I didn't see it, but I know Hal's worked very well.

00:12:57.000 So what Hal said was...

00:13:07.000 What are the things that are going to be disrupted and what are the things that's going to benefit society?

00:13:11.000 And attaching numerical value to each thing.

00:13:14.000 And all the scientists at the end of the day showed that the numerical value for con was far higher.

00:13:21.000 Like it was going to cause much more disruption than it would be beneficial.

00:13:24.000 and so they decided not to disclose.

00:13:27.000 But what they were telling Hal was Should we disclose this?

00:13:44.000 I think I've definitely heard that.

00:13:44.000 Right.

00:13:46.000 I don't know if, is that connected to the Brookings Report, if I'm getting that correct?

00:13:49.000 Which one's that?

00:13:50.000 I forget when it would even come out.

00:13:54.000 Here's all the CYAs.

00:13:55.000 I'm an expert on nothing.

00:13:56.000 I don't know anything.

00:13:57.000 I tell stories.

00:13:58.000 Me too.

00:13:59.000 Okay?

00:14:00.000 How can you talk about Planet Serpo if you've never been?

00:14:03.000 Look, I just like this.

00:14:07.000 I just all due respect.

00:14:09.000 That's going to go on forever.

00:14:10.000 Forever.

00:14:11.000 You've never been.

00:14:12.000 Never been.

00:14:14.000 I hope he's okay.

00:14:16.000 Douglas Murray's a lot of fun.

00:14:17.000 Oh, he's great.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, so I'm not an expert at anything.

00:14:20.000 So I don't know when Brookings was, but it was the same thing.

00:14:22.000 It was a recommendation from the government that...

00:14:26.000 1960.

00:14:26.000 Ah, same thing?

00:14:27.000 Well, I don't know about the exact same thing, but...

00:14:30.000 Proposed studies of the implications of peaceful space activities for human affairs commissioned by NASA and created by the Brookings Institute.

00:14:38.000 Collaboration, long-range study.

00:14:40.000 Same result.

00:14:41.000 Don't do it.

00:14:42.000 Yeah.

00:14:42.000 I think they're probably right, but also I want to know.

00:14:45.000 Well, that puts us in a pickle, I think, is...

00:14:54.000 I want to know too.

00:14:56.000 But I don't want the Chinese to know. 1.00

00:14:58.000 And I definitely don't want Iran to know. 0.98

00:15:01.000 So I understand.

00:15:02.000 Why do you not want them to know?

00:15:03.000 Maybe we could all get along if we realize that there's actual aliens that are visiting us.

00:15:08.000 I mean, wasn't that the Ronald Reagan speech in front of the UN?

00:15:10.000 You've seen that, right?

00:15:11.000 Sure.

00:15:12.000 Yeah, the famous speech.

00:15:13.000 But wasn't the SDI part of that speech?

00:15:16.000 Is we'll all get along, but we're going to have laser weapons in space just in case we don't.

00:15:21.000 Wasn't that that same?

00:15:22.000 It might not have been, but it was about that same time.

00:15:24.000 And that was all smoke and mirrors.

00:15:27.000 The Star Wars thing was fake, right?

00:15:27.000 Right.

00:15:28.000 Couldn't get it to work.

00:15:29.000 It was all fake.

00:15:29.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 So maybe we'll all get along.

00:15:33.000 Boy, that sounds nice.

00:15:35.000 But, you know, Iran produces brilliant people, so intelligent, great engineers, doctors, all of that.

00:15:41.000 But the government is bananas.

00:15:43.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 So, I mean, you don't want to have brilliant scientists working like that.

00:15:48.000 I mean, we had brilliant scientists working for dictators in the past, and it was not awesome.

00:15:52.000 Right.

00:15:53.000 Like the Nazis. 0.87

00:15:54.000 That's who I mean.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:56.000 That's what I mean.

00:16:02.000 Well, this is what Hal Puthoff said.

00:16:02.000 Right.

00:16:04.000 He said that the government...

00:16:09.000 And I said, well, other governments have them?

00:16:11.000 He said, yes.

00:16:12.000 And I said, well, do they have similar numbers?

00:16:14.000 He's like, we believe so.

00:16:16.000 So they don't know.

00:16:18.000 So essentially what he was kind of alluding to is that there's basically like a kind of Manhattan project to try to back engineer these things.

00:16:25.000 And whoever figures it out first is going to have a massive advantage.

00:16:29.000 Right.

00:16:31.000 And it would be nice if it was us.

00:16:32.000 It would be nice.

00:16:34.000 Hal Puthoff has been connected to a lot of disinformation campaigns.

00:16:38.000 I love the guy and his work, but he has been connected to disinformation campaigns with known disinformation.

00:16:44.000 Think about what subjects.

00:16:46.000 About disclosure.

00:16:47.000 You heard the name Richard Doty?

00:16:49.000 Yes.

00:16:50.000 Want some coffee?

00:16:52.000 Yeah, let's have some coffee.

00:16:54.000 I'm off booze right now.

00:16:57.000 Forever?

00:16:58.000 No.

00:16:59.000 Cheers.

00:17:00.000 I just needed a break.

00:17:01.000 It was becoming a little bit Like a habit.

00:17:04.000 You too?

00:17:04.000 Yeah, I've been off for two and a half months.

00:17:06.000 Maybe even a little more now.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, I just decided one day, I'm done.

00:17:13.000 And then I feel great.

00:17:15.000 Feel better?

00:17:16.000 Oh my god.

00:17:16.000 Think clearer.

00:17:17.000 Wake up feeling better.

00:17:18.000 I have a nightclub, so I'm at my nightclub, my comedy club, all the time.

00:17:22.000 And, you know, everybody's buying shots and you want a beer, you want this, that. 0.99

00:17:25.000 After a while, you're like, God, I feel like shit. 0.99

00:17:28.000 Yeah, you do. 0.99

00:17:28.000 You know, but I'm at, it's like the illusion is that you won't have fun. 0.99

00:17:32.000 I'm having the same amount of fun.

00:17:33.000 It's so much fun.

00:17:34.000 Of course.

00:17:35.000 It's not necessary.

00:17:36.000 I'm funnier because I know what I'm talking about.

00:17:40.000 Yes.

00:17:40.000 And I'm not embarrassed the next day.

00:17:42.000 You just, it just doesn't kill your inhibitions, but that's.

00:17:44.000 It's overrated.

00:17:46.000 It is.

00:17:47.000 It's fun.

00:17:48.000 I've had a good time boozing, but yeah, enough.

00:17:52.000 I'm allowed to go back at the first of the month.

00:17:54.000 Okay.

00:17:55.000 You need to quit vices once in a while, if anything, just to prove that you can.

00:18:01.000 Yes.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, it's a good thing, just to prove that it doesn't have its hooks in you.

00:18:06.000 Right.

00:18:06.000 I can quit whenever I want.

00:18:08.000 I know.

00:18:09.000 But can you?

00:18:09.000 I've taken a few days off of social media, and I always feel better, but I always go right back in.

00:18:13.000 I don't know why I hardly ever look at it.

00:18:16.000 It's just a massive distraction.

00:18:19.000 Like, I don't read anything about myself, but I'm always, but more so I'm always looking at, But more so, now than ever, my screen time on my phone is dedicated to YouTube.

00:18:32.000 It's like, when I come home, especially at the end of the night, come back from the club, I'm tired, I want nonsense.

00:18:39.000 I want Bigfoot.

00:18:41.000 Same.

00:18:43.000 I don't want to think too hard.

00:18:44.000 I want, you know, I want, you know, Bob Lazar.

00:18:48.000 I want Bigfoot.

00:18:50.000 Yep.

00:18:51.000 I want, you know, ancient civilizations.

00:18:53.000 It's just me and the dog watching TV.

00:18:55.000 Yep.

00:18:56.000 You know, everyone's asleep.

00:18:57.000 That's my favorite.

00:18:59.000 Because no booze for me doesn't mean no gummies.

00:19:02.000 Oh, okay.

00:19:03.000 So a half a gummy and a Bigfoot episode, I'm having a great time.

00:19:06.000 That's the one that I wish was real. 0.96

00:19:08.000 But I'm 99% sure it's horseshit. 0.98

00:19:10.000 Same. 0.95

00:19:11.000 But I also wonder, I wonder like, I wonder if under certain conditions it's real.

00:19:21.000 Like this is my thought.

00:19:22.000 This is going to sound squirrely.

00:19:24.000 I think under heightened states of anxiety and fear, when you're alone in the woods, maybe it's possible that the barrier between dimensions is slippery.

00:19:38.000 And you can see things that you would ordinarily never see.

00:19:41.000 Like, it might not even be as simple as this is a biological creature that lives here on Earth with us, but no one's ever found a body.

00:19:48.000 It might be weirder than that.

00:19:51.000 It might be these are some sort of hominid from somewhere else that can appear.

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00:20:37.000 Native American legends say exactly that.

00:20:40.000 That it's this creature that lives between worlds.

00:20:43.000 And the same with giants as well.

00:20:44.000 They have the legends of the red-haired giants that were chased west.

00:20:47.000 I'm glad we're getting to that.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, because the giants thing is weird.

00:20:52.000 And I watched your episode on Giants.

00:20:54.000 I loved it.

00:20:55.000 Maybe it was the Malta episode.

00:20:57.000 The Smithsonian?

00:20:57.000 Oh, that was, yeah, that was G.E. Kincaid and the Smithsonian cover-up.

00:21:00.000 Yes.

00:21:01.000 Grand Canyon.

00:21:02.000 That's a good story.

00:21:02.000 Well, the whole Grand Canyon thing is bananas.

00:21:05.000 Like, there's areas of the Grand Canyon you cannot explore.

00:21:08.000 You cannot go.

00:21:10.000 You cannot fly over.

00:21:11.000 Right.

00:21:12.000 And you can't fly under the rim.

00:21:14.000 Yet when you go to those bad places, suddenly...

00:21:19.000 Black helicopters show up.

00:21:21.000 I show it on my episode.

00:21:22.000 I show the black helicopters showing up.

00:21:23.000 Like, they do show.

00:21:25.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 Like, they are protecting something.

00:21:29.000 Something.

00:21:29.000 It's not as simple as this is a dangerous area.

00:21:32.000 Because you can go to any dangerous area.

00:21:33.000 You go just to the normal tourist area.

00:21:36.000 It's like, be careful.

00:21:37.000 Two people a year fall.

00:21:39.000 Yeah, someone fell recently.

00:21:41.000 Yeah, an influencer.

00:21:43.000 Of course.

00:21:44.000 Taking a selfie.

00:21:47.000 The Grand Canyon, there's been these crazy stories of people finding these like Egyptian – these caverns with like Egyptian artwork and hieroglyphics and these stories of artifacts that have been removed from there.

00:22:04.000 So the story is – It's 1903 or so.

00:22:10.000 And the explorer is G.E. Kincaid, and he's going down.

00:22:13.000 He's looking for gold deposits or whatever.

00:22:16.000 This is just before Teddy Roosevelt made the Grand Canyon a preserve.

00:22:20.000 He was a naturalist.

00:22:21.000 So he finds these steps that are clearly man-made.

00:22:24.000 He follows the steps up and there's a cave and he goes in there and he describes Hieroglyphics He finds a statue that he describes as like Buddha-like, not Egyptian, not human, but sort of like Buddha, and all these weapons, shields, gold, all sorts of stuff.

00:22:42.000 He keeps going.

00:22:43.000 He finds a deserted city in the caves, and all these tunnels and caverns go everywhere, and he's trying to map everything.

00:22:49.000 He comes out, and he goes back to town, and he gathers together a group that we're going to go find this stuff again.

00:22:57.000 And people are excited about it.

00:22:59.000 And a couple of weeks go by, and everyone's gathered to go on the expedition.

00:23:03.000 He never shows.

00:23:04.000 The expedition goes nowhere, and that's really the last we've heard of it.

00:23:08.000 Really?

00:23:09.000 And is there any photographs or anything?

00:23:11.000 No.

00:23:12.000 There never is of this stuff.

00:23:13.000 Right.

00:23:14.000 Just descriptions?

00:23:15.000 Just a great story.

00:23:17.000 Well, the great part of the story is the fact that you actually can't go there.

00:23:21.000 And just the idea that there's an area where the military is protecting people from being foolish, that doesn't make any sense.

00:23:28.000 Nobody asks why.

00:23:29.000 Right.

00:23:30.000 Nobody asks why.

00:23:32.000 It really bothers me about that story in all of these, whether it's disclosure or whatever.

00:23:36.000 I don't hear anyone asking why.

00:23:38.000 Well, they won't let us.

00:23:40.000 Well, who's they?

00:23:41.000 Someone's in charge of stuff that's not the president.

00:23:43.000 Right.

00:23:44.000 Or Congress.

00:23:46.000 So who is it?

00:23:49.000 Is it possible there's some sort of a government installation down there somewhere?

00:23:53.000 You know, it's all going to be woo-woo conspiracy stuff or it's real.

00:23:58.000 Or G.E. Kincaid found something and someone got to him.

00:24:02.000 But if G.E. Kincaid found something, why would they want to hide some ancient civilization discovery, particularly in the early 1900s?

00:24:10.000 Like, why?

00:24:12.000 For what reason?

00:24:12.000 I don't know why Graham Hancock is marginalized now.

00:24:23.000 I would think so.

00:24:25.000 So my guess would be treasure and money.

00:24:27.000 That would be my guess.

00:24:29.000 It shows up in the paper.

00:24:31.000 The government goes down.

00:24:32.000 They're like, there's a lot of stuff down here.

00:24:34.000 Let's grab it.

00:24:35.000 Send it to the Smithsonian, who keeps 99% of the stuff under wraps.

00:24:39.000 They have a billion items that nobody can see.

00:24:41.000 And then that's the end of it. 1.00

00:24:44.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:24:46.000 I would love to know the official reason. 0.99

00:24:48.000 See if you can Google.

00:24:50.000 Is there an official reason why you're not allowed to go to certain areas of the Grand Canyon?

00:24:54.000 You use a VPN there, brother.

00:24:56.000 I was looking at an article about the original article and it says that the two guys mentioned might not have even existed.

00:25:04.000 Right.

00:25:05.000 There's no evidence of them.

00:25:07.000 G.E. Kincaid?

00:25:08.000 And another guy named S.A. Jordan.

00:25:10.000 Oh, so it might be just a story that someone printed?

00:25:13.000 When I was looking into one of these things before, I found something explaining that back in the early 1900s when newspapers were a really popular thing to read, I don't know if it was a game or if there was actual prizes people would play amongst themselves to try to get fake stories printed.

00:25:29.000 If you could get the craziest story printed, you'd win $500.

00:25:33.000 I might be wrong, but I think Jordan was connected to the Smithsonian.

00:25:36.000 at least according to the story.

00:25:52.000 I don't trust the Smithsonian.

00:25:54.000 They're exempt from all kinds of stuff.

00:25:56.000 Yeah?

00:25:56.000 Well, like, there's a law passed not too long ago that if you have Native American artifacts that are important to that culture, especially burial artifacts, they must be returned.

00:26:05.000 Unless you're the Smithsonian.

00:26:07.000 They're allowed to hold on?

00:26:08.000 Then you can make a case that you don't have to give it back.

00:26:10.000 How do they have so much power?

00:26:13.000 It's a government agency.

00:26:14.000 Smithsonian is a government agency.

00:26:17.000 I thought it was a private agency.

00:26:18.000 So, there's no official story as to why this area of the Grand Canyon is off-limits.

00:26:24.000 For your safety.

00:26:25.000 The Forbidden Zone, they call it.

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:26.000 It's all I can find.

00:26:27.000 That's fucking weird. 0.99

00:26:29.000 That's fucking weird. 0.99

00:26:31.000 That this story comes from the very area that's forbidden. 1.00

00:26:35.000 That's fucking weird. 0.98

00:26:36.000 What are the odds? 0.99

00:26:37.000 I don't believe in coincidences, so...

00:26:45.000 Has anybody tried to hike in?

00:26:46.000 All the time!

00:26:47.000 Or raft in?

00:26:49.000 Yeah, do they get busted?

00:26:50.000 And busted, yeah.

00:26:51.000 And arrested.

00:26:52.000 Really? 1.00

00:26:54.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:26:55.000 You can find online, I wish I knew the names of a team that went up there. 1.00

00:26:59.000 That's who found the black helicopters, and I use them in the video.

00:27:03.000 And I credit them so you can find their videos.

00:27:06.000 They're up there for an hour, hour and a half trying to find stuff.

00:27:10.000 And what they found up in that forbidden zone is anchored into the ground a giant hook or like a loop.

00:27:17.000 Like what would you use that for?

00:27:19.000 And that would be to rappel down.

00:27:21.000 That's the only reason that would be there.

00:27:23.000 There's no explanation for what is this.

00:27:25.000 They also found artifacts from that era, from the early 1900s, artifacts that people were there.

00:27:30.000 So it's possible that And there are reverse angles of that rock face that look a little weird.

00:27:40.000 It could be pareidolia, but it...

00:27:44.000 Pareidolia is the mind's ability to see objects in random noise.

00:27:50.000 It's something we evolved to see predators in the forest.

00:27:54.000 That's why if you see a cloud that looks like Abraham Lincoln, it's not Abraham Lincoln.

00:27:59.000 It's pareidolia.

00:28:03.000 But debunkers will always fall on pareidolia.

00:28:06.000 So like the real believers, they hate that word.

00:28:08.000 God, that would be – imagine.

00:28:10.000 Everything would have to be rewritten.

00:28:14.000 If they found some evidence of a lost civilization with no connection to any known civilization, that was advanced. 0.79

00:28:21.000 That was living in the Grand Canyon.

00:28:23.000 Did you ever think about going?

00:28:25.000 To the Grand Canyon?

00:28:27.000 To go and just be an outlaw and go see.

00:28:31.000 How would you get in, though?

00:28:32.000 I mean, if they have black helicopters and they're scanning the sky or scanning the ground with some sort of a drone or a plane...

00:28:44.000 Are you planning something?

00:28:46.000 No, no, no.

00:28:46.000 Hold on.

00:28:47.000 What should we do?

00:28:47.000 I'm in.

00:28:48.000 I don't have a contract, all right?

00:28:50.000 So this is already dangerous for me sitting here.

00:28:54.000 But I got your back.

00:28:56.000 If I go.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, because even if they drag you out, Right.

00:29:04.000 Why couldn't I go there?

00:29:05.000 What did he do wrong?

00:29:06.000 Well, he violated this area.

00:29:08.000 Okay, well, how come?

00:29:09.000 Yeah, well, when you think about how dangerous the Grand Canyon is overall, there's not a safe area.

00:29:16.000 It's literally a canyon.

00:29:18.000 You could fall at any of a million spots along the way to your death.

00:29:24.000 Have you been there?

00:29:25.000 Yes.

00:29:27.000 It's incredible.

00:29:28.000 Incredible.

00:29:28.000 You couldn't paint a better picture.

00:29:29.000 But as you get closer to that edge, you can feel your amygdala going, oh, back up.

00:29:35.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 Like, it's seriously dangerous.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 God, the problem is I want to believe.

00:29:43.000 With all these things.

00:29:44.000 Yeah, same.

00:29:45.000 Most people that enjoy your show want to believe.

00:29:48.000 That's why it's so fun.

00:29:50.000 And I don't believe in most of the stuff I talk about.

00:29:53.000 But when I approach a story...

00:29:58.000 And I also want to find the other side.

00:30:01.000 So that what we're left with is some truth.

00:30:05.000 And not all stories can be fully debunked.

00:30:07.000 And I've had my mind flipped a couple of times. 0.74

00:30:09.000 You know, crop circles, hollow moons, some really crazy shit have flipped me around. 0.57

00:30:14.000 Crop circles is a weird one. 0.85

00:30:15.000 So weird.

00:30:16.000 It's a weird one because when I first saw them, I'm like, what is that?

00:30:21.000 And then I saw that these guys were doing them with boards and string. 0.77

00:30:24.000 I was like, oh, it's just people being silly.

00:30:27.000 And then I watched a whole documentary about how the energy that bent these things over caused these nodes to explode as if they had been cooked in a microwave.

00:30:37.000 Correct.

00:30:38.000 And then you find out that the actual stalks are woven together.

00:30:43.000 It's not that they're pressed down, they're woven together.

00:30:46.000 And that these are complex geometric designs that would have taken people weeks to map out.

00:30:57.000 There's no roads, no machinery, no evidence of any use of any kind of machinery.

00:31:02.000 And these things appear like that.

00:31:05.000 Like people have flown over an area and then flown back an hour or two later, and there's immense football field size Perfect geometry that no one can explain how it was created.

00:31:18.000 Correct.

00:31:18.000 So the nodes in the stalks, a node is like a knuckle on your fingers.

00:31:22.000 So those are there for phototropism to bend toward light.

00:31:29.000 So what you're talking about is these things are bent over.

00:31:31.000 They're bent over at right angles.

00:31:32.000 It can only be done with high energy.

00:31:34.000 But also around these crop circles, they're finding microscopic metallic spheroids.

00:31:41.000 Around the circles.

00:31:42.000 And that's not a conspiracy theory.

00:31:44.000 They're finding them.

00:31:45.000 And there are these magnetic fields around the circles.

00:31:49.000 And you can see videos online of people going into these crop circles and their hands start to get red.

00:31:55.000 Things are happening to them.

00:31:57.000 So I went into crop circles thinking it was all guys with boards.

00:32:00.000 But then when you watch people with boards making a crop circle, it's a mess.

00:32:05.000 They can't do this.

00:32:07.000 And you cannot bend the nodes of reeds and weave them together in a perfect...

00:32:13.000 So that was, as I'm doing the research, I'm like, alright, 99% of them are fake, but there's this 1% that I cannot explain.

00:32:21.000 The famous video where you see the orbs circling around the field in England and then the crop circle slowly starts to emerge, has that been debunked?

00:32:30.000 Semi, it's controversial because the guy released that video, I don't know his name offhand, allegedly went to a...

00:32:39.000 Oh, boy.

00:32:40.000 And released it.

00:32:41.000 But they somehow put that thing together in a matter of hours, which is suspicious.

00:32:47.000 So in my episode on it, I said, all right, here's what the skeptics say.

00:32:52.000 But in the 1990s, to do that kind of VFX work, because it looks real.

00:32:56.000 I don't know.

00:32:58.000 To me, I'm on the fence about it.

00:33:01.000 It's very convenient that they got the footage.

00:33:03.000 It is.

00:33:05.000 It is.

00:33:06.000 Operation Blackbird was a famous operation in 1990 to try and capture the footage live by a great researcher named Colin Andrews.

00:33:14.000 Oh, he's the guy that does the books on crop circles, right?

00:33:18.000 Yes.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, he's all in.

00:33:19.000 He's all in, and he got a lot of support for Blackbird.

00:33:23.000 And not only did nothing happen, he was totally embarrassed by it.

00:33:26.000 And it was all streaming live, and a lot of people were involved.

00:33:29.000 He's embarrassed.

00:33:30.000 We find out later.

00:33:32.000 That while they're like waiting for the circles to happen, just a few miles away, there's a top secret military operation doing whatever they're doing.

00:33:39.000 He doesn't know why.

00:33:40.000 And then he gets a knock on the door from someone, you know, men in black, whoever it is, that first offers him money to stop his work, then threatens him with whatever, threatens his family.

00:33:53.000 And he doesn't know who this guy is.

00:33:56.000 They go back and look at the tapes and he sees the guy in the background of like one of the TV crews.

00:34:01.000 The theory is some type of intelligence was embedded into Blackbird, made to discredit him.

00:34:07.000 And that was kind of the end of Colin Andrews because he was a legit researcher at that point.

00:34:12.000 Now he's fringe.

00:34:13.000 Now he's pseudoscience.

00:34:14.000 But I get into that in the episode.

00:34:16.000 That was something I discovered.

00:34:17.000 I never knew that there was intelligence involved.

00:34:20.000 I didn't know that there was a military op, which is confirmed.

00:34:23.000 It's wild.

00:34:25.000 So do you think they discredited him on purpose?

00:34:27.000 Yes.

00:34:28.000 Interesting. 0.98

00:34:30.000 To make the crop circle thing look foolish.

00:34:32.000 But what is the crop circle thing?

00:34:34.000 Out of the believers, what is the best theory?

00:34:38.000 The believers is that it's a way to message craft, or it's a landing site, or it's some type of communication.

00:34:49.000 But why would they do it in wheat fields?

00:34:51.000 I don't know.

00:34:52.000 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:34:53.000 If you have the technology, just, you know.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 Pick up the phone.

00:34:57.000 You know, there's better ways than just mowing wheat down.

00:35:01.000 But I don't understand.

00:35:04.000 Do you know the one about the Mandelbrot set?

00:35:06.000 I've seen it.

00:35:08.000 Yeah.

00:35:08.000 I think that one is really weird because I think it coincides with the fractal creation of the Mandelbrot set by these people that are into this kind of geometry and fractals.

00:35:30.000 And this is before Lorenz and the Lorenza Tractor.

00:35:32.000 I think it's before that, isn't it?

00:35:34.000 I don't know.

00:35:34.000 Before it was mainstream.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, before it was mainstream, yes.

00:35:38.000 And then when this thing appears and people are like, well, what is this design?

00:35:42.000 And then they connect it to this Mandelbrot set, which is someone would have to have some very esoteric information.

00:35:50.000 And it's the Mandelbrot set.

00:35:52.000 We're using Fibonacci numbers.

00:35:54.000 Yes.

00:35:55.000 And the fee, the golden ratio.

00:35:57.000 And it's accurate. 0.78

00:35:57.000 And it's accurate down to inches. 0.78

00:35:59.000 Yeah.

00:36:00.000 You can't do that.

00:36:02.000 Well, maybe you can, but like how and how long would it take and how much planning and how many people and what would you use?

00:36:09.000 Like what is the technology they would use to bend those things over that way and weave them?

00:36:15.000 It's very weird stuff.

00:36:17.000 It's weird.

00:36:28.000 This one is half the size of that one, which is half the size of that one.

00:36:32.000 And it goes on and on forever.

00:36:33.000 And when you see it, see if you can find the Mandelbrot set.

00:36:37.000 It's maybe the most spectacular crop circle.

00:36:40.000 It's weird. 0.98

00:36:41.000 It's really weird because it's fucking enormous. 1.00

00:36:44.000 And it seems so stupid. 1.00

00:36:48.000 Wow, there's a whole bunch of them. 1.00

00:36:49.000 The Mandelbrot set is the one that looks like a heart.

00:36:53.000 That one right there.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:36:54.000 That's the Mandelbrot set.

00:36:56.000 Yep, and there's some other fractals there as well.

00:36:58.000 I was looking at an article that says these two guys took on the challenge and did it for a TV show on the BBC.

00:37:03.000 They did.

00:37:03.000 If you watch them do it, it's clumsy AF.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, it doesn't look as good.

00:37:08.000 Like...

00:37:09.000 I know they always say that these guys did it, but like...

00:37:21.000 Some of the weirder ones, go back to other crop circles.

00:37:24.000 You had some other images before that.

00:37:26.000 There were some other ones, those ones, those spirals.

00:37:30.000 Right.

00:37:30.000 Like that one right there.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:37:31.000 That is fucking wild. 0.99

00:37:33.000 That's wild. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Like, this is multiple football fields long and wide.

00:37:38.000 So, how?

00:37:39.000 Make that one a little bigger, please.

00:37:41.000 And one of these, I don't know if it's that one in particular, showed up right next to Stonehenge.

00:37:46.000 Like a tennis ball throwaway.

00:37:48.000 That is crazy.

00:37:52.000 First of all, if you're on the ground, just the measurements alone to make each one the equal distance between circles in the whatever six different blades that you have that stem from the center.

00:38:08.000 They're all the same distance.

00:38:10.000 They're all the same size.

00:38:12.000 The small circles are the ones that are most interesting.

00:38:15.000 Because how hard is that to do?

00:38:17.000 Right.

00:38:18.000 Right.

00:38:19.000 And they're uniform.

00:38:21.000 And it's like, what is that? 0.99

00:38:23.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:38:25.000 And if that is a hoax, it's so bizarre that it's only these two goofballs that we're making really shitty ones with boards and strings. 0.99

00:38:36.000 And yet, there's hundreds, if not thousands, of these really complex ones that exist.

00:38:41.000 Yeah, those are the guys that you can see them doing it live.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, but those guys, there's no way they had enough time to do all these things.

00:38:49.000 And it looked terrible.

00:38:50.000 It was janky.

00:38:51.000 Look, he's just trampling it.

00:38:52.000 Yeah.

00:38:53.000 I mean, look, you can certainly make crop circles with a string and a board.

00:38:57.000 You certainly can make crop circles.

00:39:00.000 And, you know, it always gets connected, like, believing in aliens and everything else.

00:39:04.000 But it's not—no one's even saying aliens.

00:39:07.000 Like, it could be some sort of energy from something that we possess, something that humans possess, that they somehow or another— Aim at these areas.

00:39:18.000 Like, what is that one above it?

00:39:19.000 That one right there. 0.99

00:39:20.000 What the fuck is that thing? 1.00

00:39:23.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:39:24.000 They are in the same count.

00:39:25.000 80% of them come from the same county in England.

00:39:28.000 Which is also weird.

00:39:29.000 Now, people will correct me in the comments, but I believe that middle piece of geometry is a hypercube, isn't it?

00:39:34.000 Isn't that a four-dimensional cube?

00:39:37.000 I don't know.

00:39:39.000 The Tesseract?

00:39:40.000 It does look like it, but...

00:39:43.000 How long would that take?

00:39:44.000 That seems like that would take a long time to do.

00:39:48.000 Stonehenge is under constant surveillance and circles show up overnight.

00:39:53.000 Very weird stuff.

00:39:54.000 There's an interesting conspiracy to... 0.99

00:39:56.000 What the fuck, dude? 0.99

00:39:58.000 To crop circles that we can get into later. 1.00

00:40:03.000 Yes.

00:40:03.000 And it's mostly in England, too, which is also weird.

00:40:05.000 And mostly in Wilshire.

00:40:11.000 Ley lines.

00:40:12.000 Lay lines.

00:40:13.000 That they're happening on these segments of energy that intersect.

00:40:17.000 What is that black and white one, Jamie?

00:40:19.000 Click on that one.

00:40:21.000 No, no, no, no.

00:40:23.000 That one. 1.00

00:40:24.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

00:40:27.000 Wow. 1.00

00:40:28.000 Wow.

00:40:29.000 On a mountain.

00:40:30.000 That's crazy.

00:40:30.000 That could be in sand, I think.

00:40:32.000 This is like sand dunes.

00:40:34.000 Is that what that is?

00:40:36.000 That's crazy.

00:40:38.000 I've never seen that one.

00:40:39.000 It's wild.

00:40:40.000 I mean, just the amount of time that it would take to do these things.

00:40:44.000 So, ley lines.

00:40:46.000 So this is the theory?

00:40:48.000 That's the theory.

00:40:48.000 Have you heard about ley lines?

00:40:50.000 Kind of.

00:40:51.000 It's this alleged grid of energy that circles the Earth.

00:40:57.000 And almost like how magnetic fields work.

00:41:01.000 And these energy lines have intersection points.

00:41:04.000 And on these intersection points are things like Stonehenge, Giza, and snow on a mountain in France.

00:41:10.000 Wow!

00:41:11.000 Where are the tracks in?

00:41:14.000 What? 0.99

00:41:16.000 Okay, what the fuck is that? 0.99

00:41:19.000 No footprints, no tracks. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Oh, this is a guy that did it, though.

00:41:27.000 It's an artist that did this.

00:41:28.000 These aren't crop circles.

00:41:30.000 This is an artist doing it.

00:41:31.000 That's kind of what I was trying to say. 0.99

00:41:32.000 Fucking incredible. 0.99

00:41:33.000 An artist did that? 0.98

00:41:34.000 Yeah, it has the guy's name on that first picture we had here.

00:41:36.000 Amazing.

00:41:37.000 Simon Beck.

00:41:38.000 So the artist's angle is a conspiracy angle.

00:41:40.000 There's a man named John Lundberg who was part of a group called circlemakers.org, which is an art project and also...

00:41:50.000 He would make fake crop circles to see how people would react.

00:41:52.000 Years later, Lundberg and some associates created a documentary called Mirage Men, which is an excellent documentary.

00:41:58.000 It's mostly about Richard Doty and his disinformation campaign on behalf of the Air Force to discredit the UFO community, drove Paul Benowitz nuts.

00:42:08.000 Bill Moore, who's the guy who essentially brought Roswell out to the public.

00:42:14.000 Bill Moore was taking payments and being fed information from Doty to muddy the waters in the UFL community.

00:42:19.000 He finally came clean in 89, was booed off the stage at MUFON, and everything just unraveled.

00:42:26.000 So it's all disinfo.

00:42:27.000 They booed him off the stage?

00:42:28.000 Because he finally said, look, I've been working with the government.

00:42:32.000 A lot of the stuff I've been saying, they told me to say.

00:42:35.000 Majestic 12, all this stuff was coming from Doty.

00:42:39.000 And they didn't want to hear it.

00:42:41.000 And his career was basically over that day.

00:42:44.000 Wow.

00:42:45.000 Bill Moore.

00:42:46.000 There was no Roswell story before Moore, before his book.

00:42:50.000 And, you know, that was Doty.

00:42:52.000 So the documentary about Doty was directed and put together by Lundberg and his associates.

00:42:58.000 Lundberg was one of the original circle makers that would make these fake crop circles to see how people would react.

00:43:03.000 I just thought it was an interesting connection.

00:43:05.000 But it's interesting because clearly some people are making these.

00:43:09.000 But like...

00:43:12.000 Because I'm sure you've seen that image from the newspaper of the devil with a scythe.

00:43:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:20.000 And they're talking about crop circles back in the 1700s and 1800s.

00:43:26.000 Yeah, 1600s.

00:43:27.000 Wow.

00:43:28.000 First crop circle ever reported was in 1678.

00:43:30.000 According to the story, a farmer and a crop mower were arguing about the cost of harvesting the farmer's oat field.

00:43:35.000 The farmer was furious at the mower's price and stormed off swearing that the devil himself should harvest the crop.

00:43:41.000 That night, a dazzling light lit up the oat field, and in the morning, the farmer discovered perfectly round circles in his crops.

00:43:47.000 He was so frightened by the circles, which he thought could only have been so neatly mowed by the devil or some infernal spirit.

00:43:55.000 That he abandoned any attempt to harvest the field.

00:43:58.000 That's a little sketchy.

00:44:00.000 You're scared of circles? 1.00

00:44:02.000 Come on, pussy. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Really, though? 1.00

00:44:04.000 If there were crop circles in my backyard, I would be a little nervous.

00:44:07.000 I would be curious.

00:44:09.000 It's not terrifying, right?

00:44:12.000 They're not something that would scare me away from harvesting my crop.

00:44:15.000 No, I'm more afraid of the government than I am.

00:44:18.000 Crop circles don't seem to be killing anybody.

00:44:20.000 No.

00:44:22.000 So, ley lines.

00:44:23.000 So, these things are to differentiate areas so they could see them from the sky?

00:44:29.000 Is that the idea?

00:44:30.000 The ley lines are the energy lines.

00:44:33.000 Whatever, a mystical energy.

00:44:35.000 It's not a scientific energy.

00:44:37.000 And where the lines intersect is where you see sites like Machu Picchu, Giza, Stonehenge, all these ancient sites.

00:44:45.000 There's the ley lines.

00:44:48.000 But ley lines is, you know, it's semi-debunkable because if you connect enough lines, you're going to find patterns.

00:44:55.000 You're going to find geometry.

00:44:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:44:57.000 You go looking for it.

00:44:58.000 Right.

00:44:59.000 Yeah.

00:45:00.000 Just very weird stuff.

00:45:02.000 Like I said, I used to think it was total nonsense until I saw some documentaries on it where they were talking about the nodes.

00:45:07.000 They were talking about some of these things are just so complex and they appear so quickly.

00:45:12.000 The nodes and the braiding to me was like, okay, now I've got to change my approach to this.

00:45:17.000 What do you think it is?

00:45:19.000 I don't know.

00:45:20.000 I think it's beyond us.

00:45:25.000 We're just monkeys trying to guess math.

00:45:29.000 I don't know.

00:45:31.000 Every time we make a guess on this show, someone's laughing.

00:45:34.000 Of course.

00:45:35.000 Someone's like, you know, they think it's a landing site. 0.99

00:45:38.000 Well, it's one of those subjects that if you even entertain it, you're almost immediately a fool, which I'm super comfortable with being a fool. 0.99

00:45:47.000 I entertain a lot of foolish ideas. 0.98

00:45:49.000 But that one is particularly foolish because people always point to those guys with boards. 0.98

00:45:53.000 And I'm like, not so fast. 0.91

00:45:56.000 Yeah, those guys with boards definitely made some circles.

00:45:59.000 But there's some of them that are really spectacular.

00:46:02.000 They are.

00:46:02.000 And it just doesn't, and when you factor in the nodes, you factor in the weaving, and then these incredible geometric shapes, like, how are you even mapping that?

00:46:13.000 Like, how are you doing that?

00:46:15.000 How many people are involved?

00:46:16.000 How long does it take?

00:46:18.000 You know, it would take people so long, it would never be that accurate.

00:46:23.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 You know, with ropes and boards, you know, I just don't see it.

00:46:27.000 Right, but, like, it leaves you with this weird mystery.

00:46:31.000 It's like, what?

00:46:32.000 What is this?

00:46:33.000 I wish I knew.

00:46:34.000 It's just one of those things that, like, it's almost like the universe is laughing at us.

00:46:38.000 Every now and then it just shows you something that's, like, so goofy that you have to go, well, what is real?

00:46:44.000 You know, it was a hoax, but a great crop circle was the Arecibo response.

00:46:48.000 Do you know that one?

00:46:49.000 Yes.

00:46:50.000 That was a great one.

00:46:51.000 We sent the Arecibo message out.

00:46:53.000 It had all the symbols on it.

00:46:55.000 And it sent it back with like a half of you, an alien face. 0.53

00:46:58.000 Right, and it showed where in their solar system they lived, what their DNA was like.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, it was a great one.

00:47:04.000 Who did that one? 1.00

00:47:05.000 I don't know who did it.

00:47:06.000 I don't know if it was Circle Makers. 0.82

00:47:07.000 I don't know who it was, but it was a hoax.

00:47:09.000 But it was like a really well thought out one.

00:47:12.000 Well, that one kind of looks like a hoax.

00:47:14.000 Like, it's so on the nose.

00:47:15.000 You have an alien face in the crop circle.

00:47:19.000 Wasn't that different than the Arecibo response?

00:47:21.000 Is it?

00:47:22.000 I forget.

00:47:23.000 I think they were related.

00:47:25.000 I'm not sure, though.

00:47:26.000 The response?

00:47:27.000 Yes.

00:47:27.000 I thought was so cool.

00:47:28.000 I thought the Arecibo response was aligned with that UFO thing, the alien face.

00:47:36.000 See if you can find the crop circle that says it, Jamie.

00:47:38.000 You could be right.

00:47:39.000 As soon as you see the alien face, you're out.

00:47:40.000 I think the Arecibo response is next to...

00:47:46.000 You just had it.

00:47:46.000 If you scroll, go to the top, right there.

00:47:49.000 Bam.

00:47:51.000 Okay, so that's different.

00:47:52.000 That's different, but there's another...

00:47:54.000 It's an album cover for someone on Apple.

00:47:57.000 Right, but the crop circle is a real crop circle.

00:48:00.000 Somebody actually made that thing.

00:48:01.000 Right, and that's a message in that circle.

00:48:03.000 That spiral is a message.

00:48:05.000 Look at that one to the right.

00:48:07.000 There's the air receiver response down there with the humanoid face.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:48:12.000 That's it.

00:48:13.000 Very weird.

00:48:14.000 So that's a hoax.

00:48:15.000 That's a hoax, but boy, it's a good one. 0.99

00:48:17.000 It's a fucking great one. 0.99

00:48:19.000 Go back a couple of posts. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Yeah, right there.

00:48:24.000 That one on the right-hand side.

00:48:25.000 That's crazy.

00:48:28.000 It's the small circles that get me. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Well, it's fucking... 0.99

00:48:38.000 That is just so weird. 0.99

00:48:40.000 But again, it's like one of those like, No, it's not.

00:48:47.000 At the end of it, you're just like, I don't know.

00:48:51.000 That's why the worst question is, what do you think it is?

00:48:54.000 Right. 1.00

00:48:54.000 I was hoping you had something stupid. 1.00

00:48:57.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:48:59.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

00:49:00.000 But I do know that I want to believe, which is always the problem with me with all these things.

00:49:05.000 You know, I want to believe the bases in Antarctica.

00:49:08.000 I want to believe that there's pyramids up there, all that stuff.

00:49:11.000 Yeah, and when you find out something's debunked, how do you feel?

00:49:17.000 Oh, you know.

00:49:19.000 Are you okay?

00:49:20.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 I mean, disappointed, but...

00:49:22.000 But there's a party that goes... 1.00

00:49:25.000 Well, I think most of them are bullshit. 1.00

00:49:27.000 I think most UFO sightings are bullshit. 1.00

00:49:30.000 Most UFO sightings are probably people seeing experimental military aircraft and things along those lines. 0.99

00:49:37.000 Satellites, that's a big one.

00:49:39.000 The Starlink ones just fly across the night sky and people are like, oh my god, it's an alien.

00:49:45.000 It's not an alien.

00:49:46.000 You can see them with your naked eye.

00:49:48.000 But if you didn't know what it was, it looks like a fleet.

00:49:51.000 It does.

00:49:51.000 Of ships flying across the sky.

00:49:53.000 And the way that they alternate lights, it looks like there's an intelligence to it.

00:49:57.000 Right.

00:49:57.000 Yeah.

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.000 I've never seen anything myself.

00:50:02.000 Have you?

00:50:03.000 No.

00:50:04.000 Gino has.

00:50:04.000 What did he say?

00:50:06.000 Gino saw, and I think maybe Jeremiah said he saw the same thing.

00:50:11.000 Gino saw a giant orb of light over the Pacific Ocean, and he watched it for a long time.

00:50:16.000 And I said, where's the photo of it?

00:50:19.000 And he said, I was so in awe, I didn't even think to get out my phone.

00:50:23.000 It's like, man.

00:50:24.000 But that's a common thing you hear.

00:50:26.000 Right.

00:50:27.000 You're just so in awe, you don't think, I gotta selfie this.

00:50:31.000 Right, if you actually saw something, there's a high probability that you'd be so freaked out, you'd be just in the moment, like, what?

00:50:38.000 Yep.

00:50:38.000 And, you know, Gino's legit.

00:50:40.000 He's not bullshitting. 0.98

00:50:41.000 He's not a bullshit artist. 0.99

00:50:42.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:50:43.000 Now, I've talked to quite a—Dave Foley had a sighting.

00:50:46.000 He saw something.

00:50:47.000 Gino talked to Dave about—they saw the same thing.

00:50:50.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 Well, there's always the question of, like, what's going on off the coast.

00:50:55.000 And I'm sure you're aware of this one.

00:50:57.000 We actually talked about it the other day, but we never found it.

00:51:00.000 There's a structure that's off of Malibu in the deep water that was available on Google Maps.

00:51:07.000 Was a structure.

00:51:08.000 Was.

00:51:08.000 And now it's blurred out.

00:51:10.000 Yep.

00:51:10.000 But it looked like there's openings in it.

00:51:14.000 There's a top that's flat.

00:51:19.000 Yeah.

00:51:20.000 And now it doesn't.

00:51:22.000 Now it just looks like blurry water.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, like why does it look different now?

00:51:26.000 Like what's going on?

00:51:26.000 With a gun to my head, all the weird stuff is in the ocean.

00:51:30.000 It's not from another planet. 0.65

00:51:32.000 Really?

00:51:33.000 No, I don't know.

00:51:33.000 Who knows?

00:51:34.000 But it makes a lot more sense that the stuff we're seeing – So not from another planet originally?

00:51:44.000 Like maybe originally and that's where they make their base?

00:51:48.000 It's hard for me to square how to travel great distances.

00:51:52.000 It's hard for me to square that.

00:51:54.000 I know that we've got the Albuquerque Drive and Warp Drive and all these theoretical things about compressing space-time and all of that.

00:52:03.000 I get it.

00:52:05.000 But it's hard for me to think that that's solvable.

00:52:09.000 But what is interesting is maybe another species evolved alongside of us a long time ago and has been here a long time and said, you know what, let's go.

00:52:17.000 This is where we go to avoid cataclysms and geological instability.

00:52:22.000 Let's go underwater.

00:52:23.000 That's a weird one, though, because, like, what kind of technology are you utilizing?

00:52:27.000 How did you achieve that level of technological superiority and not completely control man?

00:52:35.000 Because if I was an intelligent species that was capable of developing bases under the water, I'd be super concerned at all the different things that human beings are doing to ruin things.

00:52:45.000 Like if we had chimps that all of a sudden had flamethrowers and they were lighting the jungle on fire, we'd probably take their flamethrowers. 1.00

00:52:51.000 So like we would turn off a nuclear reactor.

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:55.000 Right.

00:52:55.000 So we talk about humans.

00:52:57.000 If this theory is true that they evolved here, there were no humans.

00:53:02.000 Humans are 300,000 years old.

00:53:05.000 It would take whatever species a lot longer than that to evolve to this technological level.

00:53:09.000 We've seen the craft just zip into water with no displacement.

00:53:13.000 Right.

00:53:14.000 You know, where are they going?

00:53:14.000 And there are unnamed whistleblowers, you know, anonymous sources that say there's a base near the Bermuda Triangle.

00:53:21.000 The Navy knows about it.

00:53:22.000 They know not to get close.

00:53:23.000 It moves around a little bit.

00:53:24.000 I'm going to do an episode on it soon because it's just too good not to.

00:53:27.000 Corroborated by another...

00:53:29.000 biologists who said he worked with the retrieval team and yes, there's stuff.

00:53:33.000 And what this base does is it – So there's always the question, you know, why is there a saucer?

00:53:42.000 Why does it look like a pyramid?

00:53:43.000 Why is it this?

00:53:44.000 It's because they're custom-built for a mission.

00:53:46.000 And there's an AI and a species down there, and they say, oh, we're going to go survey Mount Hayes in Alaska.

00:53:51.000 Super, super fascinating place.

00:53:54.000 So we only need a scanning gear, some propulsion, and we just build it.

00:53:58.000 Ah, it fits in an orb.

00:53:59.000 Send it out.

00:54:00.000 does its thing, comes back, and then it gets broken down to the...

00:54:04.000 And then another mission, build it up.

00:54:06.000 It's going to be a triangle.

00:54:07.000 It's going to be this or that.

00:54:08.000 Does its mission, comes back.

00:54:09.000 To me, that makes good sense.

00:54:11.000 A good way to do that.

00:54:12.000 A good way to conserve resources.

00:54:13.000 Not have to go out and get stuff.

00:54:16.000 I like the theory.

00:54:18.000 It's a fun theory.

00:54:19.000 It's a fun theory, yeah.

00:54:20.000 It's a fun theory also that if you were creating bases here, like say if they're coming from somewhere else and they want to visit us, it would be far more...

00:54:49.000 But when they're here on Earth, they would be undetected.

00:54:52.000 Right.

00:54:53.000 And the ocean is literally 70-something percent of the Earth's surface.

00:54:58.000 And we've mapped, I think, 2 or 3 percent of it.

00:55:01.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 It'd be a good place to hide in plain sight.

00:55:04.000 That's what I would do.

00:55:05.000 And to make things from raw materials, meaning like molecular level stuff, I mean, you're totally off-grid.

00:55:12.000 You know, we don't need to strip mine.

00:55:13.000 We got everything here.

00:55:14.000 Right, right.

00:55:15.000 And if you have something that's a transmedium vehicle, so it doesn't displace the water, it works on some sort of a warp drive or something.

00:55:25.000 I think you have to get into interdimensionality then and all.

00:55:30.000 But if you're not displacing air or water, that means you're phasing through matter.

00:55:37.000 Right.

00:55:38.000 Which is theoretically doable because everything is mostly space.

00:55:41.000 Well, they said they've mapped things going under the water 500 knots.

00:55:45.000 Right, without making a splash.

00:55:47.000 Yeah, no ripples, no discernible waves.

00:55:51.000 Just Greg Louganis right in there.

00:55:53.000 Nothing.

00:55:54.000 500 knots under the water. 0.99

00:55:56.000 I mean, what the fuck could do that? 0.98

00:55:59.000 The amount of energy you'd have to go through that much resistance of deep water, 500 miles an hour, 500 knots. 0.99

00:56:06.000 Right.

00:56:06.000 Look at how, when they do missile tests from subs, how those things are just like, ah, trying to get out of the water.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 And these things just go bloop.

00:56:15.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 And nothing.

00:56:16.000 Well, that's the weird ones.

00:56:18.000 But that would make you also think, like, maybe it is a hologram.

00:56:21.000 Because if there are these transmedium things. 0.99

00:56:24.000 But the thing is, they're seeing them with radar.

00:56:27.000 Right, which means heat signature or mass.

00:56:31.000 Right.

00:56:32.000 Or electromagnetic displacement.

00:56:34.000 Or if it is some sort of photons, like some sort of a projection, would that not have some kind of a heat signature?

00:56:44.000 It would if it was ionized air.

00:56:48.000 You know that would be plasma so that was hot if that's what it is but Right.

00:57:00.000 So that kind of screws up the holographic projection theory a little bit, because there's no light refraction.

00:57:07.000 How did you do that?

00:57:10.000 Yeah.

00:57:11.000 No, I'm asking you how to do that.

00:57:13.000 I don't know.

00:57:13.000 I don't know either.

00:57:14.000 I mean, that's my answer.

00:57:15.000 I mean, you've had physicists on here that I've seen go, uh.

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 Well, the really crazy ones are the ones that the fighter pilots have seen.

00:57:26.000 Because, you know, particularly Commander Fravor and the other people that were on that mission with him.

00:57:33.000 So two separate jets.

00:57:34.000 You have four people that are eyewitness to this thing, and then that there was something actually under the surface of the water, like an aircraft carrier, an enormous thing, that this tic-tac...

00:57:49.000 The tic-tac turns towards them, is jamming their signal, is hovering in space, and then shoots off at such an insane rate of speed that most of the things that we have on Earth would just disintegrate and fall apart just from the sheer pressure. 0.95

00:58:05.000 Of course.

00:58:06.000 And from the inertia.

00:58:07.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 It can be done.

00:58:07.000 Now, if I were doing an episode on Tic Tac or Go Fast or Gimbal...

00:58:15.000 And I know you've talked to Mick on and off throughout the years.

00:58:18.000 He's like a professional debunker.

00:58:20.000 He is.

00:58:20.000 He wants to debunk things that I don't think can be debunked.

00:58:23.000 He does.

00:58:23.000 He approaches it as it's definitely fake, and I'm going to show you why.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, everything is definitely fake.

00:58:28.000 Almost to the point where I'm like, who are you working for?

00:58:30.000 Right, right.

00:58:31.000 Who are you working for?

00:58:32.000 Everyone thinks we're CIA, by the way.

00:58:34.000 Me and you?

00:58:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:35.000 Reddit is convinced I'm CIA.

00:58:37.000 Oh.

00:58:38.000 Me too?

00:58:39.000 That's why my channel blew up in two and a half years.

00:58:42.000 Because the CIA?

00:58:42.000 The CIA is back.

00:58:43.000 Oh, I've heard that before.

00:58:44.000 I've heard that about many people.

00:58:46.000 Like, the reason why they got successful.

00:58:48.000 I've heard that about me too.

00:58:49.000 Yeah.

00:58:49.000 Like, go back to 2009 where I have 200 viewers.

00:58:52.000 Like, the CIA sucked back then.

00:58:54.000 They weren't helping me at all. 0.92

00:58:56.000 Dude, I remember just watching you in little squares on Ustream, just like the top of your head and Brian and Duncan.

00:59:02.000 I mean, that's what if Gino's like, you got to watch Joe Rogan's show on on I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:59:08.000 He's a comic.

00:59:09.000 He's like, "He's got Graham Hancock on." And that's when I started watching.

00:59:14.000 I think Graham was our first serious guest.

00:59:16.000 So it was Duncan and I, and we were in my house, and Graham flew from England.

00:59:20.000 We ate pizza in my kitchen.

00:59:22.000 It was the first time I got to meet him.

00:59:24.000 I was so pumped.

00:59:25.000 Because I'd read his book in the 90s.

00:59:27.000 Same.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, Fingerprints of the Gods.

00:59:29.000 Amazing book.

00:59:29.000 From Art Bellas, who told me about it.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, I remember my wife was like, you should read, like, real archaeology. 0.99

00:59:35.000 I'm like, no, this is fucking interesting shit. 0.99

00:59:37.000 Is your wife a scientist or something? 1.00

00:59:39.000 No, no, no.

00:59:39.000 She's just a little more serious than me.

00:59:41.000 A little smarter than me.

00:59:44.000 Same.

00:59:45.000 Same.

00:59:45.000 But it's like, I still to this day will pick up those books and read them.

00:59:50.000 I do not think that modern archaeology has the full story.

00:59:55.000 And I've seen the way they behave.

00:59:56.000 I saw the way Flint Dibble behaved with Graham.

00:59:59.000 They're gatekeepers.

01:00:00.000 They don't want anyone to have any information that they don't have.

01:00:11.000 Openly, quickly, without any consideration.

01:00:14.000 They just want to dismiss it.

01:00:16.000 And then they want to pretend that any archaeologist that presents any kind of information that fucks up the narrative isn't immediately attacked.

01:00:25.000 And they are.

01:00:26.000 Their careers are ruined.

01:00:27.000 Whether you go back to Clovis first or any of these different archaeologists that have proposed alternative theories of the human timeline.

01:00:35.000 All of the conventional archaeologists, all the mainstream people, attacked them.

01:00:41.000 Randall Carlson, Robert Schock, John F. West.

01:00:46.000 If I were advising Graham, I would have said, don't do that debate.

01:00:49.000 Don't do it.

01:00:50.000 There's no way to come off—you're not going to convince anybody, and you're just going to come off not looking great.

01:00:56.000 And I've seen— His response on his own site.

01:00:59.000 He's even said that was probably a mistake.

01:01:02.000 He wasn't prepared enough.

01:01:03.000 But you'll never be prepared enough for a professional debunker.

01:01:06.000 You just won't be.

01:01:07.000 They'll have too much.

01:01:08.000 So I would have told him, don't go into the lion's den.

01:01:11.000 Well, the problem was he wasn't being honest.

01:01:14.000 Flint was not being honest about the information that we have, particularly about offshore shipwrecks.

01:01:19.000 He was just not honest.

01:01:21.000 Nope.

01:01:21.000 And the amount that they have discovered, not honest.

01:01:25.000 And Graham didn't know that at the time.

01:01:30.000 When you get to 5,000, 6,000 years, there's no ship left.

01:01:35.000 All you have is, like, the pottery and whatever is on the ground at the bottom.

01:01:39.000 And if you're talking about 10,000 years, 15,000 years, who's to say that that's not completely covered by sediment by then?

01:01:45.000 And it probably would be.

01:01:46.000 Well, you know, I watched a little of Zaya Wasson on here.

01:01:51.000 That's all you need, just a little for that episode.

01:01:53.000 You get it.

01:01:54.000 I couldn't believe he's still doing it.

01:01:57.000 Maybe he was around when they actually built the things.

01:01:59.000 I think that was probably the best advertisement for alternative archaeology you're ever going to get.

01:02:06.000 When you see the guy that's the gatekeeper and how closed-minded he is.

01:02:09.000 He didn't mention the capstones, the limestone facing from Torrey.

01:02:13.000 He didn't even talk about it.

01:02:14.000 Well, also, this just...

01:02:27.000 Like, come on.

01:02:29.000 The Aslan stones are from 1,200 miles away.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 You know, the tourist stones are, I don't know, 20, 30 miles away or whatever they were.

01:02:38.000 How about those Lebanon stones at Baalbek? 0.82

01:02:41.000 Baalbek, they can't... 1.00

01:02:44.000 You need a person standing on it to even see the size of it.

01:02:48.000 You've never seen the Baalbek Stone if you're listening. 0.99

01:02:50.000 The thing is it's like a skyscraper on its side.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.000 And it's one solid piece.

01:02:55.000 And it was moved there.

01:02:56.000 Yes.

01:02:57.000 See, pull up the Baalbek stones in Lebanon because there's stuff that's above it that is like of a more recent time period, but it seems to have been...

01:03:15.000 Like, that's just one of them that was quarried but not moved.

01:03:19.000 But the ones that are in place, go to the ones that, like, see, like these ones.

01:03:23.000 The ones that are above.

01:03:24.000 So they're the lower stones and the ones above.

01:03:28.000 You don't realize how big they are unless you can get a human being to stand next to them.

01:03:32.000 But they are preposterously big.

01:03:35.000 Like, there you go.

01:03:36.000 Right.

01:03:38.000 15 feet high, 30, 40 feet long.

01:03:41.000 I mean, they're shown in metric, so I'm confused.

01:03:45.000 Incredible.

01:03:46.000 And who?

01:03:47.000 Who did it?

01:03:48.000 And when?

01:03:48.000 When was that done?

01:03:50.000 And then there's like Malta, like that stuff that they think Malta was constructed when the sea levels were much lower, so there was a way to make a path to there.

01:04:02.000 From Italy and from these other places because they found Neanderthal bones there.

01:04:07.000 And allegedly giants built that.

01:04:09.000 And Derinkuyu and all the hidden cities underneath Cappadocia and Turkey that they're finding are connected.

01:04:14.000 Those are nuts.

01:04:15.000 No one knows who made them.

01:04:16.000 No one knows who made them.

01:04:17.000 And they can have thousands of people living underground.

01:04:21.000 They can bring fresh water from the aquifers.

01:04:24.000 They can bring fresh air and circulate it.

01:04:25.000 They have defensive mechanisms with these giant stones.

01:04:28.000 And nobody knows how they made them.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 And who?

01:04:32.000 And why?

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:35.000 Great flood.

01:04:36.000 Yeah, that's the theory, right?

01:04:37.000 The theory of the great flood and then the Younger Dryas impact theory destroyed the atmosphere where there was just like above the earth, which is like chaotic, and they sought refuge underground.

01:04:47.000 I lean more toward that the ice sheets melted from a solar event than an impact, but it certainly could be either.

01:04:55.000 Well, it could be a combination of things.

01:04:57.000 Because it's also, they think there was more than one.

01:04:57.000 Could be.

01:04:59.000 The impact event happened.

01:05:01.000 They know this based on core samples, iridium, the nanodiamonds that come from impacts.

01:05:08.000 This is the Greenland impact.

01:05:09.000 Yeah, not just Greenland, North America.

01:05:11.000 They think it happened.

01:05:12.000 I think they found these, the evidence of this stuff, like 30% of the Earth's surface where they believed these things had hit.

01:05:20.000 I think we got bombarded.

01:05:21.000 Right.

01:05:22.000 So that would be like flying through an asteroid field like the Leonids or the Perseids or the Taurus.

01:05:29.000 So the remnants of some giant object that is rubble and we just fly through it, which means we fly through it frequently.

01:05:37.000 We fly through it twice a year.

01:05:38.000 Twice a year.

01:05:38.000 But we don't always, you know, most of the time we get lucky and it's not a really a hot one.

01:05:43.000 But like what happened with Tunguska.

01:05:46.000 Tunguska, right?

01:05:48.000 That's great, man.

01:05:48.000 It's 1907.

01:05:49.000 And in the same month that we passed through that comet field.

01:05:54.000 That's right.

01:05:55.000 Right, that's over Siberia.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 And that was an airburst, I believe, because there's no impact crater.

01:06:00.000 Right.

01:06:00.000 But it flattened, like, millions of square miles of trees.

01:06:02.000 And still fucked to this day. 0.99

01:06:04.000 Yes. 1.00

01:06:05.000 Yeah.

01:06:06.000 There's images of that if you want to look up that.

01:06:08.000 There's actual, like, film of it.

01:06:10.000 It's crazy.

01:06:11.000 It looks like a bomb went off.

01:06:13.000 Yeah, we're in a shooting gallery.

01:06:15.000 You know, Earth is flying through a shooting gallery.

01:06:18.000 There's 900,000 near-Earth objects that are just hovering around out there.

01:06:23.000 And NASA says we track most of them.

01:06:32.000 There are Earth killers in there. 0.97

01:06:33.000 Oh, yeah. 0.80

01:06:35.000 You know, and Apophis is lurking.

01:06:37.000 Apophis is the big one.

01:06:38.000 That's due to fly by in a few years.

01:06:40.000 What's that one?

01:06:41.000 That's a giant asteroid that's, I think it's due to flyby maybe 2030-something.

01:06:49.000 I'll get it wrong.

01:06:50.000 I mean, I'm going to say a million things wrong today.

01:06:52.000 I'll hear all about it.

01:06:53.000 But it's a planet killer.

01:06:56.000 Like it's a civilization ender and it's going to fly near – 375 meters across, about the size of a cruise liner.

01:07:06.000 It will pass within 32,000 kilometers of Earth's surface on April 13th, 2029.

01:07:12.000 Now stop there.

01:07:13.000 That's about, that's closer than the moon.

01:07:16.000 Whoa.

01:07:16.000 I mean, way closer than the moon.

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:18.000 So that's what, about 70,000 miles where the moon is?

01:07:22.000 250 to 300.

01:07:25.000 So we're going to see that.

01:07:27.000 Wow.

01:07:28.000 You don't want to see that in this, you don't want to look up and see that?

01:07:31.000 Well, just knowing that one's far larger.

01:07:35.000 They've passed through.

01:07:36.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:37.000 And then we know for sure a bunch of hit, you know?

01:07:41.000 For sure.

01:07:41.000 You know, Chichen Itza, that one.

01:07:44.000 All right, Chicxulub, but that was pseudoscience until that father or son went down there and found it.

01:07:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:07:49.000 And that wasn't that one.

01:07:50.000 I think that was when I was growing up, the dinosaurs died.

01:07:53.000 That was a conspiracy theory, the asteroid.

01:07:56.000 And they found it, I think, around 1980.

01:07:56.000 Right.

01:07:59.000 They found the Yucatan impact.

01:08:00.000 Yeah.

01:08:01.000 Under the ocean.

01:08:02.000 And the iridium matches it.

01:08:04.000 Uh-huh.

01:08:06.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 All that is really spectacular stuff.

01:08:09.000 It's just like when you look at the moon and you see the craters all over it and realize, okay, this is what happens when you don't have an atmosphere and you also don't have water and you can see everything that hits.

01:08:19.000 Like the whole thing.

01:08:20.000 The whole thing.

01:08:21.000 Covered.

01:08:22.000 But why are there so many fewer impacts on the other side?

01:08:25.000 Are there?

01:08:26.000 Fewer.

01:08:26.000 Really?

01:08:28.000 I can't.

01:08:28.000 I don't know, I have a I even have a t-shirt.

01:08:34.000 The moon is weird.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Like, Gino's my weird topic guy.

01:08:38.000 It's like, what should we talk about?

01:08:39.000 He's like, do hollow moon. 1.00

01:08:41.000 So I went into that story thinking this is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. 1.00

01:08:44.000 The moon is hollow. 1.00

01:08:44.000 Right. 1.00

01:08:45.000 And I'm doing the research about halfway through.

01:08:47.000 I'm like, hmm, the moon is weird.

01:08:48.000 And then by the end of my research, I was convinced that clearly the moon is a hollow spaceship that was brought here from another part of the galaxy.

01:08:56.000 And it's here and the lizard people are absorbing our soul energy. 1.00

01:08:59.000 That's the only explanation for it.

01:09:02.000 Probably not true, but man, the moon is very weird.

01:09:06.000 Well, it's also weird that the alignment and the size and the distance of the moon makes the eclipse perfect.

01:09:16.000 What are the odds of that?

01:09:18.000 What are the odds that it is the exact distance from the sun so that when the moon and the sun align, it's exact?

01:09:28.000 Right, it's like a 400 to 1 race.

01:09:30.000 It's exact.

01:09:31.000 It's nuts.

01:09:33.000 But you could debunk that by saying the moon is getting further and further away.

01:09:36.000 Right, but why is it perfect?

01:09:39.000 I mean, we have not found a planet in this solar system or anywhere else that has a giant moon right next to it.

01:09:46.000 A quarter of the size of the Earth.

01:09:47.000 We haven't found it.

01:09:48.000 Yeah.

01:09:49.000 We're the only one with it.

01:09:52.000 And there are ancient legends.

01:09:54.000 They talk about a moonless sky and when the moon arrived, and when it arrived, it caused a great flood.

01:10:02.000 What are the ancient stories of a moonless sky?

01:10:05.000 Where are they from?

01:10:07.000 Ancient Indian texts will have it, but also native legends will have it about a moonless sky, and then the moon arrives.

01:10:14.000 When do they think the moon arrived?

01:10:17.000 It's hard to tell.

01:10:18.000 I always go to Younger Dryas, Younger Dryas, but who really knows?

01:10:25.000 Haze.

01:10:26.000 Just very wet, very hazy.

01:10:28.000 Maybe like Venus or something like that.

01:10:31.000 Then the moon arrives and all that water from the atmosphere drops down to Earth.

01:10:35.000 The tidal forces are crazy.

01:10:37.000 There's a huge flood and everything just settles and then the moon is here.

01:10:40.000 And the moon is now like the guardian of the planet.

01:10:43.000 Which it really is.

01:10:45.000 We couldn't really survive without it.

01:10:47.000 Because it stabilizes our atmosphere, right?

01:10:49.000 It stabilizes us and...

01:10:50.000 Stabilize our orbit.

01:10:51.000 Our orbit and...

01:10:55.000 When there's a major earthquake, the Earth changes speed.

01:10:59.000 It changes measurably if there's a big earthquake.

01:11:03.000 And if there's a lot of those, that could throw you off the axis, but the moon steps in like a bouncer and it settles things back down.

01:11:11.000 So the idea would be that some sort of a superior civilization placed the moon there to ensure our survival?

01:11:19.000 I don't think they care about us.

01:11:21.000 Really?

01:11:22.000 No, I don't think so.

01:11:24.000 How come?

01:11:25.000 Again, we're in very speculative territory because nobody knows.

01:11:29.000 But I would think it would just be for resources.

01:11:32.000 Hey, this place has a lot of stable water.

01:11:35.000 That's useful.

01:11:36.000 Don't you think they would be fascinated with us as an emerging civilization?

01:11:40.000 And, like, I always say that if we found a planet that had cave people on it, like just starting to learn stone tools and stuff like that, we would for sure be interested in them.

01:11:49.000 We would be so fascinated.

01:11:51.000 And we would probably try to accelerate their learning curve.

01:11:55.000 You think we would?

01:11:57.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:11:58.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:58.000 Yeah, well, think of what a lot of these jerk-offs have done with, like... 0.96

01:12:04.000 We're always trying to intervene and do something with them. 0.92

01:12:08.000 You know the dark forest theory?

01:12:10.000 No.

01:12:11.000 It's a Lucian show who wrote the three-body problem and all those.

01:12:14.000 Oh.

01:12:14.000 Dark forest theory says that if you attain a certain level of technology, the best thing you can do is just be quiet.

01:12:21.000 Because the universe is a dark forest and the first person to stick his head out dies.

01:12:26.000 Because you don't want a competitor in your region.

01:12:31.000 As soon as a culture gets close to some technology that could make that they're on a path to threaten you, you got to take them out.

01:12:38.000 You got to, you got to halt their technology.

01:12:40.000 And three body problems is kind of based on that.

01:12:42.000 That's what they do in the books.

01:12:44.000 And that seems to make a little more sense to me than sort of this altruistic, hey, let's help them, you know, the Star Trek approach.

01:12:51.000 Let's make first contact and all of that.

01:12:54.000 You know, I, I like, you know, human nature is a tricky thing.

01:13:00.000 We're very selfish.

01:13:02.000 You know, you and I might want to see those people and help them along, but there's a lot of people that would not want a competitor in the neighborhood.

01:13:10.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:13:12.000 But what if they don't even think of us as a competitor?

01:13:15.000 What if they're so advanced?

01:13:17.000 Like if they're millions of years advanced?

01:13:20.000 Like this is the thing that Diana Pasolka and Gary Nolan and a lot of these people that study crashed retrievals, there's a term that they use that these are donations.

01:13:33.000 Right.

01:13:34.000 These vehicles are donations and the idea is we're supposed to look at this and formulate new ideas through reverse engineering.

01:13:41.000 And, you know, there's circumstantial evidence that that's true.

01:13:46.000 If you look at Bell Labs and all the crazy discoveries after Roswell, like we're using cathode ray tubes and suddenly transistors are made and silicon semiconductors and wireless transmission and Bell Labs is...

01:14:00.000 Fiber optics.

01:14:01.000 Laser technology came out of Bell as well.

01:14:04.000 And, you know, the retrieval experts say that fiber optics and lasers for sure is reverse engineered.

01:14:11.000 And it kind of makes a lot of sense because it seemed to have come out of nowhere.

01:14:17.000 suddenly Bell Labs has it.

01:14:18.000 You know, but it, you know, it's, You know, we've got World War II, we go into Korea in 1950, and at the time, Russia had the MiG-15, was basically on par with us.

01:14:34.000 I think we had the F-86 at the time, and the MiG might have even been better. 0.98

01:14:39.000 So that would have been a great time for some advanced tech.

01:14:42.000 But America did catch up and exceed the Soviets about 51, 52, you know, during Korea, and then has been superior ever since. 0.92

01:14:50.000 But you would think that after'47, with the Soviets there, let's get some of this anti-gravitic stuff going.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, maybe the problem is that you're working in So because of that, there's no collaboration, which is necessary for real innovation.

01:15:11.000 You have to have experts from a bunch of different fields analyzing all the different aspects of it.

01:15:16.000 This is what Lazar pointed to the problems that they were having at S4 when they were trying to back-engineer this stuff.

01:15:23.000 He's like, you can't do science like this because everything is so top-secret and so compartmentalized.

01:15:27.000 The metallurgists were not allowed to talk to the propulsion people.

01:15:31.000 What is the metal?

01:15:58.000 Why is it?

01:15:59.000 Designed for something that's three feet tall.

01:16:01.000 Like, there's no controls inside this thing.

01:16:04.000 Like, what is this reactor?

01:16:05.000 How does this thing work?

01:16:06.000 There's a chair.

01:16:07.000 Yeah.

01:16:08.000 You know, there's a couple of chairs.

01:16:09.000 It looks like there's a neural interface, maybe.

01:16:11.000 You know, you hear a lot of the scientists...

01:16:15.000 Like, if I could just talk to these guys, you know, I'm picking up an EM field from this.

01:16:21.000 The metallurgist would be helpful here to tell me what's going on.

01:16:24.000 You know, I keep coming across spinning mercury all the time.

01:16:28.000 Spinning mercury.

01:16:29.000 The spinning mercury engine has been part of the lore since ancient India has the Vamanas, you know, those craft.

01:16:36.000 If you look at the ancient texts, it may have been in the Mahabharata.

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 But they allude to this liquid metal.

01:16:42.000 And then you fast-forward to, like, the Nazis building the Bell, the D-Glock. 1.00

01:16:47.000 That was a Mercury engine.

01:16:49.000 And then we fast-forward a little further.

01:16:50.000 Mark McCandlish in the ARV vehicle, the, I forget, the flux liner.

01:16:55.000 That's spinning Mercury engine.

01:16:58.000 So spinning Mercury keeps popping up.

01:17:01.000 And spinning Mercury would cause some type of field, what that would be.

01:17:06.000 I'm not a scientist or physicist, I'm not sure, but it would certainly throw off a bunch of ions that could maybe be harnessed or used for something.

01:17:13.000 Well, it's like we're trying to explain things to us based on our current understanding of technology.

01:17:21.000 Like, glass was invented a long time ago.

01:17:24.000 But imagine showing up with a brand new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra with Gorilla Glass, you know, in a thin frame and looking at it.

01:17:38.000 There'd be statues of you for a thousand years.

01:17:40.000 Well, you know what glass is and you know what metal is, right?

01:17:42.000 Well, this is glass and metal.

01:17:44.000 You're like, what?

01:17:44.000 What?

01:17:45.000 No, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:17:47.000 We took sand and made it real hot. 0.99

01:17:48.000 And it made it clear.

01:17:50.000 Huh?

01:17:50.000 What?

01:17:51.000 Right.

01:17:51.000 You can drop it on the concrete and it doesn't break.

01:17:53.000 Right.

01:17:54.000 What?

01:17:55.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 So just our current understanding of technology based on the origins of that technology, just metal and glass.

01:18:02.000 You know, you show someone metal and glass is thousands of years old.

01:18:08.000 Show them what we have now with metal and glass.

01:18:10.000 They'd be blown away.

01:18:11.000 And you just keep going.

01:18:12.000 Keep going.

01:18:13.000 Go a thousand years from now.

01:18:14.000 What does it all look like?

01:18:17.000 Probably some sort of gravity propulsion system, probably 3D printed so there are no seams.

01:18:23.000 And that's the frustration about disclosure is how far could we be by now?

01:18:23.000 Right.

01:18:23.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 Right.

01:18:29.000 You know, had there been disclosure in 47 or whatever. 1.00

01:18:32.000 It's even more of a psyop if it's all bullshit. 0.98

01:18:34.000 Like, it's a psyop if it actually is, like, wow, the government is actually really good at one thing. 0.99

01:18:39.000 They're good at keeping secrets about UFOs.

01:18:41.000 That's right. 0.99

01:18:42.000 But if they're not, if it's all bullshit, like... 0.99

01:18:50.000 It got in the front page of the New York Times in 2017. 0.99

01:18:53.000 But meanwhile, it's all nonsense.

01:18:55.000 That's almost less likely.

01:18:55.000 Right.

01:18:57.000 Well, if you look at what Doty did in the 70s and 80s with Paul Benowitz, when Benowitz discovered this advanced technology on Kirtland Air Force Base, he called the base and said, hey, I think there's UFOs.

01:19:11.000 Send Doty out. 1.00

01:19:12.000 He was Air Force Intelligence, OSI.

01:19:14.000 They send him out to Benowitz, and he's like, Paul, I think it might be you.

01:19:18.000 It is aliens.

01:19:19.000 And Paul gets a little bit wacky, and he starts intercepting signals from outer space, and they're sending him messages, but it turned out it's really the NSA rented a house across the street.

01:19:30.000 And Paul is committed at some point.

01:19:33.000 And then Doty, over the years, changes his story and says, no, a lot of it is actually true.

01:19:40.000 But Doty has also – he said as recently as 2019, Hal Puthoff tried to recruit him for a disinformation campaign with ATEM.

01:19:48.000 Really?

01:19:48.000 So Hal Puthoff has been a part of disinformation campaigns?

01:19:53.000 Allegedly.

01:19:54.000 Allegedly forever.

01:19:56.000 And what have they been doing with these disinformation campaigns?

01:20:00.000 What have they been trying to muddle?

01:20:02.000 Just to keep – Guys like you and me, fascinated and trying to figure stuff out while they can just operate their advanced technology in peace.

01:20:10.000 Like, let them think it's aliens and UFOs.

01:20:12.000 That's fine.

01:20:13.000 What a dirty thing to do to us. 0.99

01:20:16.000 Filthy.

01:20:16.000 In the 50s, they were very public about anti-gravity.

01:20:18.000 It was in the papers.

01:20:20.000 You know, the G-engine.

01:20:21.000 And then suddenly, quiet.

01:20:21.000 They were talking about it.

01:20:23.000 Yeah.

01:20:24.000 Jesse Michaels talks about that all the time.

01:20:26.000 The Townsend-Brown.

01:20:27.000 Yes.

01:20:28.000 Townsend-Brown.

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 Ning Li, remember her story, the physicist who disappeared?

01:20:33.000 Right, and then she died in a car accident after she came back from China.

01:20:36.000 Oops.

01:20:37.000 Whoopsies.

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 Yep, so that was AC gravity, if you guys want to look that up.

01:20:44.000 She used to give talks and all of that. 1.00

01:20:47.000 She was funded by DOD for $400,000, so we know that for sure.

01:20:52.000 And then she just goes dark.

01:20:54.000 She goes dark for 11 years, shows up.

01:20:56.000 I think in 2013, she's back.

01:20:59.000 2014, she gets hit by a car.

01:21:03.000 Why is it so fun?

01:21:04.000 I don't know.

01:21:05.000 Mark McClendon just found all that stuff and ended up killing himself later on.

01:21:08.000 All this stuff is so fun, which is why the Y files are so good.

01:21:11.000 Because it's like, I always get the same feeling when I watch your show.

01:21:15.000 It's like, oh, what is the answer?

01:21:17.000 What is real?

01:21:18.000 What is it?

01:21:20.000 What is it about us that's so intrigued by these mysteries?

01:21:25.000 I mean, there's so much that we know that is real. 0.96

01:21:27.000 Just the nature of the cosmos itself, of black holes and solar nurseries and all the wild shit that's absolutely real. 0.81

01:21:37.000 But there's these things that are like, yeah, but what is that? 0.86

01:21:41.000 I don't think enough people are interested in it, to be honest.

01:21:44.000 I think that's part of the problem.

01:21:46.000 Well, don't you think it's because for the most part it's dismissed and if you engage in it, it's like if you're a normal person, not like you or I, but if you're a person that has like a job in an accounting firm, you're like a very respected, legitimate person.

01:22:01.000 Especially like pre-2017, pre the New York Times article.

01:22:05.000 And you want to start talking about like gravity propulsion systems that the government's been hiding.

01:22:10.000 And there's back engineering programs.

01:22:12.000 They've got crashed UFOs.

01:22:14.000 And there's one of them.

01:22:16.000 It's only like a couple hundred feet wide, but you go inside of it.

01:22:19.000 It's the size of a football field.

01:22:20.000 Right, like the TARDIS.

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:22.000 Or the one in Korea that's so big they had to build a building around it because they couldn't move it.

01:22:27.000 Right.

01:22:28.000 I want to know what that is.

01:22:30.000 Same.

01:22:31.000 I wish more people were interested in it.

01:22:33.000 I would almost be willing to run for president just to get access.

01:22:38.000 If I ran for president, the company would be in shambles, but everybody would know everything about UFOs.

01:22:43.000 Dude, you have no shot.

01:22:45.000 Oh, I have no shot. 0.98

01:22:46.000 They would kill me, for sure.

01:22:47.000 I can't believe the things you say are news.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, well, it's because news is really dead.

01:22:53.000 Yes, they're angry about independent media.

01:22:57.000 Well, they are, but it's also the news is not...

01:23:03.000 And what better way to get clicks than I said something crazy.

01:23:07.000 And then it also kind of supports the idea that we need to be gatekeept and someone needs to be able to stop us from spreading misinformation.

01:23:15.000 Or my favorite term, malinformation.

01:23:19.000 Oh, I don't know that.

01:23:19.000 This is something that came up during COVID.

01:23:21.000 That we need to stop the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation.

01:23:27.000 Malinformation is real information that is true and accurate but would be negative in its impact to society, which is – Crazy. 0.97

01:23:39.000 We can't live in that society.

01:23:41.000 No, they're making us infants, right?

01:23:43.000 They're saying, we can handle this, but... 1.00

01:23:53.000 We will have this information and we will know what we're doing and you won't be able to have access to it because you're not ready for it because you're too stupid. 1.00

01:24:00.000 They lost. 1.00

01:24:01.000 They lost already.

01:24:02.000 They just don't know it yet, but they lost.

01:24:03.000 Yeah.

01:24:04.000 They lost a long time ago.

01:24:05.000 I'm going to put out an episode about how dragons are real and when I get to the debunk, I'm going to say, nothing.

01:24:10.000 They're real.

01:24:11.000 Peace out.

01:24:13.000 Triangular spacecraft.

01:24:14.000 What is this?

01:24:15.000 I stumbled down a lower rabbit hole and found a patent that exists, or did exist.

01:24:20.000 that was abandoned in 2006.

01:24:24.000 The SR...

01:24:26.000 B. There's a T3B. 0.99

01:24:28.000 This is like the ones that they always see, like the Phoenix lights and that one.

01:24:33.000 So it says a spacecraft having a triangular hull with vertical electrostatic line charges on each corner that produce a horizontal electric field parallel to the sides of the hull.

01:24:44.000 This field interacting with a plane wave emitted by antennas on the side of the hull generates a force per volume combining both lift and propulsion.

01:24:54.000 What?

01:24:55.000 It gives all the math, but like...

01:24:58.000 Oh, we need to get Eric here.

01:25:00.000 Someone can look at it and be like, that's not real.

01:25:01.000 Get Eric Weinstein to do that math for us.

01:25:03.000 It hasn't been made, obviously.

01:25:05.000 Or that we know of.

01:25:07.000 And I'm surprised it's not classified.

01:25:11.000 According to this article, that's where I found it, it was about the T3B thing.

01:25:15.000 Right.

01:25:15.000 So that's a real experimental aircraft.

01:25:17.000 Does America have a reverse engineer UFO?

01:25:20.000 Whoa.

01:25:21.000 This goes back to 1991 with the desert storm.

01:25:24.000 There's reports of what they call a TR-3A, which looks a lot like what the stealth bomber kind of is.

01:25:30.000 Whoa.

01:25:32.000 TR-3B is said to be like nothing we've seen before.

01:25:38.000 This was what I got to from Liquid Mercury.

01:25:40.000 I was trying to find stuff about it, and there's theories that people say that this is probably what they're running off of.

01:25:46.000 It's supposedly powered by a reverse-engineered anti-gravity drive that was recovered from a crashed airline spacecraft.

01:25:53.000 The TR-3B is where reports of UAP performing seemingly impossible aerial maneuvers intersect with stories about very real aircraft.

01:26:02.000 Read the next paragraph.

01:26:03.000 There are lots of claims over the Internet about TR-3B's anti-gravity drive, most of which include using nuclear power to locate highly pressurized mercury to produce plasma and in turn a gravitational field.

01:26:18.000 Whoa.

01:26:20.000 Something about the mercury.

01:26:22.000 Have you ever heard Eric Weinstein talk about this...

01:26:35.000 And he thinks the whole thing is a cover for some sort of advanced physics that they have been keeping a lockdown on.

01:26:43.000 And it would make total sense.

01:26:44.000 I mean, SRI.

01:26:45.000 Would be another good example of that, right?

01:26:48.000 Where Hal was in the 70s with Project Stargate and all of that.

01:26:52.000 The idea that the government can't keep secrets, like, what about Epstein?

01:26:57.000 Come on.

01:26:57.000 People ask me all the time.

01:26:58.000 That's in front of everybody's face and they've kept the list a secret.

01:27:02.000 We're never going to see the list.

01:27:03.000 Stop asking me.

01:27:04.000 You're not going to see the list.

01:27:05.000 Why not?

01:27:06.000 Because everybody, all your heroes are on it.

01:27:07.000 And they're on it a lot.

01:27:09.000 It's never coming out.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:11.000 And, you know.

01:27:12.000 You know, I have a friend that thinks like a lot of the world events that you're seeing, one of the reasons why people support it is because of Epstein, because of the list, because people are compromised, because no one can talk about things, you know, which is like really wild.

01:27:25.000 So the government can keep some secrets.

01:27:28.000 Manhattan Project was a secret.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, they did a great job with that.

01:27:32.000 And that was one that, you know, I mean, it was a race between us.

01:27:38.000 And the other foreign powers, they were all trying to come up with a nuclear bomb first. 1.00

01:27:43.000 We did it first.

01:27:44.000 The idea that there's no way that we could have some sort of advanced propulsion system and that modern physicists would be aware of the state of the art and they would tell you, yeah, no, this is not possible.

01:27:58.000 I don't think that's correct.

01:27:59.000 I think you could probably, if you were working on something and you had...

01:28:14.000 People with promise, these geniuses, giving them a very high salary, a prestigious position, but then everything's locked down.

01:28:22.000 Cell phones, email, they're under constant surveillance, and if somebody steps out of line, like the lady in Maryland, the Chinese lady.

01:28:30.000 Yep.

01:28:31.000 A lot of them.

01:28:32.000 A lot of them go that way.

01:28:34.000 I'm skeptical about a lot of the whistleblowers, especially the ones that come out of Air Force Intelligence and all that.

01:28:40.000 Me too.

01:28:41.000 even when I'm talking to them, I'm like, hmm.

01:28:42.000 Well, I mean, you know, I have kind of have that needle of skepticism and it starts with, do you Yes.

01:28:51.000 Military intelligence.

01:28:52.000 Air Force intelligence.

01:28:53.000 Are you still on the payroll?

01:28:55.000 Right.

01:28:55.000 Did you get your information cleared from the Pentagon?

01:28:57.000 Yeah.

01:28:57.000 Do you have a book?

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 And it all goes.

01:29:00.000 Did you release some photos that were fake?

01:29:03.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 Then you go Bob Lazar.

01:29:06.000 He has none of that stuff.

01:29:07.000 Did the government target you?

01:29:09.000 Did they try to discredit you?

01:29:10.000 Yeah.

01:29:10.000 You know, have you been ostracized?

01:29:12.000 When Lazar came out, I think it was to George Knapp, he didn't say his name.

01:29:17.000 Right.

01:29:17.000 He didn't have any books.

01:29:19.000 The first book, I think, was with him and Jeremy in 2019.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:22.000 So Lazard, to me, is the most credible of the whistleblowers.

01:29:26.000 Right.

01:29:27.000 But Jeremy and George just had a whistleblower a couple of weeks ago.

01:29:30.000 He was pretty credible.

01:29:31.000 He was a young guy.

01:29:32.000 He's clearly nervous.

01:29:34.000 And he has some very interesting information about, what is it, Immaculate Constellation.

01:29:39.000 Which guy is this?

01:29:40.000 I don't remember his name.

01:29:42.000 It's very new.

01:29:42.000 Is that the bald guy?

01:29:43.000 No.

01:29:45.000 The bald guy, I think, is Air Force Intelligence.

01:29:48.000 This is a kid whose career is ruined, and he's maybe in his 20s.

01:29:51.000 And you can see he's clearly nervous.

01:29:54.000 And what is his claim?

01:29:56.000 His claim is that he was going through some files.

01:30:00.000 You know, he's got top-secret clearance, and he found the Immaculate Constellation Project, basically a PowerPoint presentation.

01:30:07.000 And his job is just to sort these files.

01:30:10.000 And he's looking through it, and suddenly it's like, whoa, this is about recovery and alien craft.

01:30:17.000 And he did the right thing and went to his superiors and said, you know, there's a leakage.

01:30:23.000 I saw information I maybe wasn't supposed to.

01:30:25.000 I'm just letting you know.

01:30:26.000 And his superiors were like, eh, forget about it.

01:30:29.000 And he's like, and that was it.

01:30:31.000 It's just no reprimand, no nothing.

01:30:33.000 I just went back to work.

01:30:34.000 But he was too fascinated by the document, so he kept pursuing it and pursuing it.

01:30:40.000 And now he talks about it.

01:30:41.000 I don't know his name, but if you track down, you know, Jeremy and George, you'll find it easily.

01:30:45.000 That's the kid.

01:30:46.000 Yeah.

01:30:47.000 So here's a way that I would kind of try to debunk that if I was being logical.

01:30:55.000 If I was the government and I did have...

01:31:07.000 Like, far beyond that. 0.94

01:31:08.000 I think I might release a bunch of horseshit about UFOs. 0.86

01:31:13.000 100%.

01:31:13.000 Yeah, I might put a bunch of that stuff out there to say, oh, it can't be ours.

01:31:18.000 It's not ours.

01:31:19.000 It's not of this world.

01:31:21.000 Muddy the waters.

01:31:22.000 Yeah, not just that, but attach, like, really kooky stuff to stuff that's real.

01:31:29.000 So that you think the real stuff is kooky.

01:31:32.000 Right.

01:31:32.000 Like the drone scare.

01:31:34.000 Remember that?

01:31:35.000 That was very manufactured.

01:31:37.000 And the press was all over it.

01:31:38.000 We don't know where the drones are.

01:31:40.000 They're flying over the military bases.

01:31:41.000 All that stuff.

01:31:42.000 What do you think that was?

01:31:43.000 I know what it was.

01:31:44.000 I've seen the NOTAM reports.

01:31:45.000 You know what a NOTAM is?

01:31:46.000 No.

01:31:47.000 That's a notice to airmen.

01:31:48.000 So pilots, private pilots, get warning of no-fly zones.

01:31:54.000 Usually you'll see a lot of swaths carved out if Air Force One's flying through.

01:31:59.000 But for some reason, these NOTAM reports have all these little circles all around that you can't fly through where the drones were.

01:32:04.000 And I've seen that.

01:32:05.000 And when did the drones...

01:32:09.000 When?

01:32:09.000 Right.

01:32:09.000 Right before Inauguration Day.

01:32:12.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 And no one talks about the drones anymore.

01:32:15.000 Yeah, it's gone.

01:32:16.000 Gone.

01:32:16.000 I mean, it was mainstream news all over the place.

01:32:19.000 And they had people nervous.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 They had them nervous, and I think that was the point.

01:32:24.000 So you think they did it as a PSYOP just to see how people would react?

01:32:27.000 I do.

01:32:28.000 And remember, I know nothing, but that is my opinion, is that it was a PSYOP, and that most of this is. 0.76

01:32:34.000 If there are visitors, and there are from somewhere else, wouldn't the best way to prepare us is to start flying a bunch of really wacky shit that we have in the air and not explain it? 0.64

01:32:47.000 That would be a good way to prepare us.

01:32:50.000 Comfortable with seeing things hovering over New Jersey that defy what our understanding of drone capabilities are in terms of the time that they can stay in the air.

01:33:01.000 Some of them were in the air like for five hours.

01:33:03.000 But if that was the reason to get us ready, it backfired because it freaked people out.

01:33:09.000 People were very nervous about it.

01:33:11.000 So our military installations are vulnerable.

01:33:14.000 People were very frightened.

01:33:16.000 That was the other thing, like Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

01:33:18.000 They had some drones, and then they had to shut the base down.

01:33:21.000 And Wright-Patterson is like ground zero for all of it, Project Blue Book.

01:33:26.000 Roswell went there.

01:33:28.000 The second crash.

01:33:29.000 What's the second crash?

01:33:30.000 The second crash was some miles north and west of there.

01:33:34.000 And you'll hear Doty talk about it.

01:33:36.000 And that's where other pilots were recovered.

01:33:39.000 A total of five.

01:33:40.000 Pilots?

01:33:41.000 The EBEs.

01:33:42.000 Oh.

01:33:43.000 The EBEs.

01:33:45.000 And according to Doty and others, one of the EBEs stayed with the government, I think in Los Alamos, for five years, until 1952.

01:33:55.000 There was EBA-1 or whatever.

01:33:57.000 He liked strawberry ice cream.

01:34:00.000 Who doesn't?

01:34:01.000 Who doesn't, right?

01:34:03.000 That'd be the first thing I'd do if I went to Planet Serpo is, what's the ice cream like here?

01:34:07.000 Well, just the idea that they would eat like we eat seems crazy.

01:34:11.000 Right.

01:34:12.000 And then also they could breathe our air.

01:34:14.000 Like, what are the odds of that? 0.99

01:34:16.000 Well, you know, the theories are, you know, we never see alien shit or whatever. 0.92

01:34:20.000 But there's always a rebuttal is that, you know, they have a metabolism that absorbs nutrients and their waste is recycled and all of that stuff. 0.91

01:34:27.000 Photosynthesis or something like that.

01:34:29.000 Well, they do seem genderless.

01:34:33.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:34.000 Genderless, giant heads. 0.99

01:34:36.000 I always say that the archetype, like the greys, like Close Encounter greys, if you go back to, like, Neanderthals and then you go back to, like, Australopithecus covered in hair, heavily muscled, and then you go to, like, the average dude who plays Call of Duty.

01:34:52.000 You know, like, what do we do?

01:34:53.000 I play Call of Duty.

01:34:54.000 It's fine.

01:34:54.000 It's a great game.

01:34:55.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:34:56.000 It's like people become like these frail...

01:35:01.000 And then your head keeps getting bigger and bigger as the mind evolves.

01:35:04.000 And then human capabilities increase in terms of like our ability to communicate telepathically.

01:35:10.000 All these different things.

01:35:11.000 No need for mouth noises anymore.

01:35:13.000 So your mouth shrivels up.

01:35:14.000 There's a little slit.

01:35:15.000 And why are the eyes so big and black?

01:35:18.000 Because you're evolved underground.

01:35:20.000 Oh, I thought it was like sunglasses built in.

01:35:22.000 Well, it could be the same.

01:35:24.000 Like, that's what I thought.

01:35:25.000 I'm like, well, that looks like sunglasses.

01:35:27.000 Right.

01:35:27.000 Like, you've got to protect your eyeballs if, like, your atmosphere is far brighter and, you know, you have to be able to see things.

01:35:34.000 I think there was one retrieval story that had that.

01:35:37.000 Like, one of the black eyes was half open that they thought it might have been something.

01:35:42.000 Like a little shield?

01:35:43.000 Like a shield.

01:35:44.000 Like, that's a legit recovery story.

01:35:46.000 I can't remember it offhand.

01:35:48.000 Like, camels have a weird shield over their eyes for sandstorms.

01:35:52.000 Right.

01:35:53.000 Yeah, like they have like an eyelid, a clear eyelid that covers over their eyes so they can like go through sandstorms and not get blinded.

01:36:01.000 You know, it's an interesting point that you brought up about Neanderthals is – and a lot of people don't know that just about 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals – For hundreds of thousands of years.

01:36:18.000 For hundreds of thousands of years.

01:36:19.000 And then suddenly, boom, they're defeated by frail, weak, hairless humans out of caves. 0.99

01:36:24.000 And it's attributed to, we figured out a bow and arrow.

01:36:28.000 You know, we could harass from a distance projectile weapons. 0.99

01:36:30.000 And that's how we defeated this vast empire of Neanderthals who were not stupid. 1.00

01:36:37.000 Bigger brains than ours. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Bigger brains than ours.

01:36:39.000 They had art, culture, music.

01:36:41.000 They trained in warfare.

01:36:43.000 They had organized warfare.

01:36:45.000 I mean, can you imagine staring down the barrel of a division of organized Neanderthals coming at you? 0.71

01:36:50.000 Right.

01:36:51.000 Like, essentially super athletes.

01:36:53.000 Yes.

01:36:54.000 With chimpanzee-like strength.

01:36:55.000 Right.

01:36:56.000 And speed.

01:36:57.000 Yeah.

01:36:57.000 And intelligence.

01:36:59.000 We came out of the caves and defeated them.

01:37:01.000 And eyes so large that they think their eyes might have been able to see nocturnally.

01:37:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:10.000 I love that episode you guys did on Neanderthals.

01:37:12.000 You debunked it at the end.

01:37:13.000 But the idea that they were more ape-like than they were human.

01:37:17.000 Dark skin.

01:37:18.000 Dark skin, fangs. 0.99

01:37:20.000 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 That was a cool episode.

01:37:21.000 Mostly debunked, but yeah.

01:37:23.000 But I mean, there probably was some hunting of humans.

01:37:28.000 For sure.

01:37:30.000 And when you're dealing with something that's a far superior physical specimen, much denser bones, much stronger than us.

01:37:38.000 And we know that we have some of their DNA in us, and when you hear, oh, we interbred with them, that's not precisely how it went down, most likely.

01:37:49.000 It's most likely the women were carried away. 1.00

01:37:52.000 That's how the interbreeding happened.

01:37:54.000 Yikes.

01:37:55.000 Yikes.

01:38:01.000 Some dude's like a big lady. 1.00

01:38:03.000 There's no shame in it. 1.00

01:38:04.000 Yeah, a big, thick one to make you some fucking warrior children. 1.00

01:38:09.000 That's it. 0.99

01:38:09.000 Just want to be cupped. 0.99

01:38:10.000 Someone's just got dense bones.

01:38:13.000 You know?

01:38:14.000 I'm looking for a lady with a dense head. 1.00

01:38:17.000 Let's have a dense baby. 1.00

01:38:18.000 Yeah, what do their fucking language sound like? 1.00

01:38:21.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:38:31.000 Like, okay.

01:38:32.000 Like, how did we beat them?

01:38:34.000 I don't know.

01:38:34.000 That is a puzzle.

01:38:36.000 You know, the answer is projectiles.

01:38:39.000 Well, it kind of makes sense.

01:38:41.000 I mean, if we were the only ones to figure out bows and arrows and adaladles and all that kind of stuff.

01:38:47.000 It would work.

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:48.000 Especially if we organized, you know.

01:38:51.000 But you could still overwhelm a few archers, just throw bodies at it.

01:39:00.000 Warfare has been fought like that for humans forever.

01:39:03.000 Maybe their language is too crude to allow for that kind of communication, like to strategize.

01:39:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:39:11.000 Like, maybe their language is like very crude, normal day-to-day stuff.

01:39:15.000 I'm hungry. 1.00

01:39:16.000 I want to fuck. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Like, let's kill these people. 1.00

01:39:18.000 It was not complicated enough to say, like, we've got an issue here. 1.00

01:39:22.000 Here's the issue.

01:39:23.000 We've got to get around them from the back end.

01:39:25.000 You know, and you guys got to distract them from the front.

01:39:27.000 And this is what we'll do.

01:39:29.000 You know?

01:39:29.000 I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 But it still doesn't make complete sense to me.

01:39:35.000 Why were their brains bigger than ours?

01:39:37.000 That's the weird one.

01:39:38.000 Like, we associate larger brains with more complex thinking.

01:39:41.000 So why would what we think of as the most brutish version of human beings?

01:39:46.000 I don't know, but don't Neanderthal brains, even though they were larger, had fewer convolutions?

01:39:52.000 Oh, really?

01:39:53.000 Do we know that? 0.98

01:39:54.000 That's part of my research, which, you know, most of it's bullshit, but that's what I read. 0.99

01:39:59.000 Large brain, but not as powerful. 0.99

01:40:02.000 Interesting.

01:40:03.000 So maybe the large brain was attributable to physical capability.

01:40:08.000 Just the fact that you can produce music tells me so much about your brain.

01:40:14.000 And they produce music?

01:40:15.000 They produce music and art.

01:40:16.000 How do we know that?

01:40:17.000 We found relics and artifacts of it.

01:40:19.000 Of musical instruments?

01:40:21.000 Instruments and cave writing and all that stuff.

01:40:24.000 They used needles and thread to make clothing.

01:40:28.000 Really?

01:40:30.000 Wow.

01:40:31.000 Yeah, very strange that we beat them.

01:40:33.000 That's a Neanderthal tool? 0.95

01:40:34.000 A flute?

01:40:35.000 Neanderthal flute?

01:40:36.000 Some sort of flute.

01:40:37.000 Whoa.

01:40:38.000 A bone flute.

01:40:40.000 Made with the bone of your defeated enemy.

01:40:43.000 Yeah.

01:40:43.000 Some dude you ate.

01:40:44.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:46.000 Made a flute out of his shin.

01:40:49.000 I figured out that death whistle back then, too.

01:40:51.000 That's sort of musical.

01:40:53.000 Oh, the Aztec Deathloop.

01:40:56.000 That's a scary one.

01:40:57.000 Yeah.

01:40:58.000 Brian Callen blew it on the show in 2019 and COVID started right afterwards.

01:41:03.000 That's the summon the demons. 0.98

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 Remember that?

01:41:06.000 Yeah, it was January 2020.

01:41:08.000 Oh, okay.

01:41:09.000 That was like weeks before.

01:41:11.000 Weeks before the lockdown?

01:41:12.000 COVID was already here.

01:41:14.000 Might have even been closer.

01:41:15.000 I think COVID was already here by then.

01:41:17.000 It's like with the anti-gravity.

01:41:18.000 Why can't we cooperate with the Chinese? 0.69

01:41:20.000 Yeah.

01:41:20.000 Nope.

01:41:21.000 Well, we kind of.

01:41:22.000 We know how to do that.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:25.000 Yeah.

01:41:26.000 It's also fascinating to me how many different versions of human beings existed.

01:41:32.000 You know, there's the Hobbit people on the island of Flores. 1.00

01:41:37.000 Right.

01:41:38.000 That's a fascinating one.

01:41:39.000 Homo floreensis.

01:41:40.000 Floreensis, whatever it is.

01:41:41.000 Yep.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, the three-foot-tall little furry creatures that they think had tools and war clothing and all that jazz.

01:41:49.000 Yeah, and...

01:41:56.000 Really?

01:41:56.000 Yeah, we branch from a different branch.

01:42:01.000 Denisovans? 1.00

01:42:01.000 Right. 1.00

01:42:02.000 And then what are the big head people that they just found recently?

01:42:06.000 This is like super recent.

01:42:08.000 Like there was an article that was made in December of 2024 about this other new branch of the human species that had much larger heads than ours.

01:42:17.000 And they think it was like this really thick.

01:42:21.000 Muscular, like, heavy human being.

01:42:24.000 What is it called again?

01:42:25.000 Jule Ren.

01:42:26.000 Jule Ren.

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:28.000 Big head people.

01:42:30.000 Yeah.

01:42:31.000 So they disappeared around the same time as the Antolls 50,000 years ago.

01:42:35.000 Have you seen the images of what they, the reconstruction?

01:42:38.000 Go to some of the drawings of what these people look like. 0.99

01:42:41.000 They look fucking insane. 0.98

01:42:43.000 Were they taller? 1.00

01:42:44.000 I do not know. 0.99

01:42:46.000 I don't know how tall they were, but they look fucking cool as shit. 0.99

01:42:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:51.000 There was like a jacked one, wasn't there?

01:42:53.000 Yeah, that's what I want.

01:43:00.000 That's one, but that's not the one we were looking at.

01:43:03.000 We were looking at one that theorized that it was completely covered in hair.

01:43:08.000 Interesting.

01:43:09.000 Yeah.

01:43:10.000 So this is a very recent discovery.

01:43:13.000 So this is the thing.

01:43:16.000 Something like 90% of the species that have existed, we don't have fossils for.

01:43:22.000 I mean, 99% of the species that ever existed are gone.

01:43:26.000 Right.

01:43:27.000 Fossils are very difficult to happen because it has to happen in a mudslide.

01:43:31.000 Somehow the body has to be preserved and it's mineralized.

01:43:34.000 Right.

01:43:34.000 I don't know how many dinosaur complete fossils we have.

01:43:38.000 Like a T-Rex, I don't even think we have a complete one yet.

01:43:42.000 One or two billion T-Rexes lived and died on the planet.

01:43:45.000 We have a couple of skeletons.

01:43:46.000 Right, right, right.

01:43:49.000 Yeah, and it just makes you wonder, when they're finding things like this in 2024, how many are yet to be discovered?

01:43:55.000 I mean, how much of the ground's surface has really been excavated to a very high level?

01:44:01.000 Right.

01:44:02.000 Yeah.

01:44:03.000 Very little, and it's very difficult.

01:44:06.000 To even dig there.

01:44:08.000 I mean, what's happening in Turkey is a shame with Gobekli Tepe, you know, just paving over it and planting orchards on top of it. 0.97

01:44:15.000 They've taken down the orchards.

01:44:17.000 They did?

01:44:17.000 Yeah, the olive trees.

01:44:19.000 The problem with that was that, and this is Jimmy Corsetti had talked about this long ago, that the issue with them doing this is the roots are going to destroy the artifacts below.

01:44:29.000 And they're like, no, no, no, no, it won't.

01:44:33.000 So they had to pull them.

01:44:34.000 And so they pulled the olive trees.

01:44:36.000 But they planted them purposely over the area, which is like...

01:44:43.000 I like him and I know him pretty well.

01:44:44.000 He's great.

01:44:45.000 The Turkish government, I think, has banned him.

01:44:48.000 And it's trying to get him in trouble here.

01:44:50.000 Trying to get him sanctioned.

01:44:52.000 Sanctioned?

01:44:52.000 How did he sanction the guy off YouTube?

01:44:55.000 For what?

01:44:56.000 Look, when CNN was going after you Creators like me, who go against kind of mainstream, were very nervous. 0.99

01:45:07.000 Because, like, if YouTube just pulled my show, I'm kind of fucked. 0.97

01:45:12.000 Right. 0.95

01:45:12.000 So it's like, if they could take down Joe, we're done. 0.95

01:45:16.000 Yeah.

01:45:16.000 But, you know, Spotify, with a lot of respect, hung fast.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, we've talked about that. 0.99

01:45:20.000 Like, if I wasn't on Spotify and I was only on YouTube at the time, I might have been fucked. 0.90

01:45:24.000 Because they were taking people down for actual, real, truthful information. 0.95

01:45:30.000 Yes.

01:45:30.000 That was, in their eyes, malinformation that would cause vaccine hesitancy.

01:45:35.000 Still no apologies.

01:45:37.000 No.

01:45:37.000 But it was a risky time to be non-politically correct before it was safe to.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, it was a very dangerous time and weird because it's instantly dangerous.

01:45:49.000 It wasn't like that before.

01:45:51.000 Then all of a sudden, anything you could say could get your career ruined.

01:45:54.000 Yep.

01:45:54.000 And again, everybody turned out to be right.

01:45:58.000 Everybody was right that masks don't work.

01:46:00.000 Everybody was right that the vaccine didn't stop the infection, didn't stop transmission.

01:46:04.000 It wasn't a vaccine.

01:46:06.000 It has a bunch of side effects.

01:46:08.000 The pangolin is nonsense.

01:46:10.000 I mean, we knew that all of this, it was just intuitive.

01:46:14.000 The lab leak theory was racist.

01:46:17.000 Yeah, it was racist.

01:46:18.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:46:20.000 The R word.

01:46:20.000 They tried anything.

01:46:22.000 They tried anything they could to silence any opposition.

01:46:25.000 Why?

01:46:25.000 You were going to say something.

01:46:26.000 Do you mind?

01:46:26.000 You were going to say—you had a question, I think?

01:46:29.000 I forget.

01:46:30.000 We steamed over it.

01:46:30.000 But we were talking about, like, the weirdness of that time, about how dangerous it was.

01:46:35.000 Like, you know, it was real touch-and-go.

01:46:37.000 It was real weird.

01:46:38.000 There was, like, a lot of forces that were trying to get me removed.

01:46:41.000 Because I was talking to people that they were deeming quacks.

01:46:44.000 One of them, which is Robert Malone, who has nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology.

01:46:50.000 These are rock-solid credentials these people had.

01:46:54.000 They weren't kooks like Jay Bhattacharya.

01:46:56.000 All these people like Stanford, MIT, Harvard, all the people from the Great Barrington Declaration.

01:47:03.000 These are legitimate researchers and scientists that didn't agree with the narrative, and they were getting them removed from Twitter.

01:47:09.000 And they had awards.

01:47:15.000 And then suddenly, no.

01:47:16.000 It didn't matter because these people, unfortunately, had a conscience.

01:47:20.000 And they were saying, well, this is not what I know.

01:47:23.000 I am an actual expert.

01:47:25.000 And I do not think that the information they're giving out is correct.

01:47:28.000 So I'm going to speak my mind.

01:47:31.000 And then there's also a concerted effort by Fauci and his group to go after these people and to attack these people publicly.

01:47:39.000 Yes.

01:47:40.000 And when it was very early on, I forget even what paper.

01:47:44.000 I had released an op-ed in some paper criticizing a lot of this in lockdowns.

01:47:49.000 You know, like my dojo was closed down and was trying to fight with masks on.

01:47:55.000 So I was angry.

01:47:56.000 And then within weeks of that, it suddenly became politicized. 0.99

01:47:59.000 And I was like, now I'm fucked. 0.99

01:48:01.000 And now it's a political issue? 1.00

01:48:02.000 How is this a political issue?

01:48:04.000 Right.

01:48:04.000 But it was.

01:48:05.000 It was politicized.

01:48:06.000 And I don't know why.

01:48:07.000 I don't know why it was all shut down.

01:48:09.000 I think it's all just money.

01:48:11.000 I think the vaccine companies wanted to make as much money as possible.

01:48:15.000 And then anything that contributed to vaccine hesitancy was not for the greater good of public health.

01:48:20.000 It was because the more vaccine hesitancy, the less profit they would have.

01:48:24.000 I think it's real simple.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 I agree, but that's really gross.

01:48:28.000 It is gross.

01:48:29.000 But it's also gross that they would prescribe it for children because it was totally unnecessary.

01:48:33.000 So the only reason why they would prescribe it for children or mandate it for children to get into schools is because they wanted to make as much money as possible.

01:48:40.000 And they made an insane amount of money.

01:48:42.000 So it did work.

01:48:43.000 It was effective.

01:48:44.000 But boy, did it destroy a lot of credibility.

01:48:47.000 It certainly did.

01:48:47.000 It definitely worked.

01:48:48.000 Where my wife was working, it was a mandatory vaccine situation, but it... 1.00

01:48:57.000 But I can see that the narrative was starting to catch with her.

01:49:01.000 And I'm like, honey, hold fast.

01:49:03.000 This is a story.

01:49:05.000 You know, it was a left-wing company.

01:49:07.000 And they're just following the narrative.

01:49:08.000 They don't just hold fast.

01:49:11.000 Don't get that shot.

01:49:13.000 And she didn't.

01:49:14.000 Yeah, luckily.

01:49:15.000 I know people that did. 0.99

01:49:16.000 I know people that have real fucking problems right now. 0.99

01:49:19.000 Same. 0.99

01:49:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:20.000 Like, they got long COVID suddenly.

01:49:23.000 Yeah, and it's weird that long COVID is something that mostly affects people that have gotten vaccinated, but they want to call it long COVID.

01:49:30.000 They don't want to call it vaccine injury.

01:49:31.000 Nope.

01:49:32.000 The whole thing is like very creepy because it just shows you if something is like very clear and obvious and it's a real disease and we know the origin of it now and we know that all this stuff has been done to obscure it.

01:49:46.000 How many other elements of society, how many other stories that are in the news have also been distorted and twisted around in order to promote a very specific narrative?

01:49:56.000 And how effective have they been at doing this?

01:49:58.000 It's not like this is the only time they've ever done this.

01:50:01.000 So COVID was kind of a window into disinformation and about how the government can use these Ploys and manipulation and using these tactics of humiliation, humiliating these established scientists, ruining their careers, attacking their credentials.

01:50:20.000 And what other things have they used these on? 0.95

01:50:24.000 What other geopolitical aspirations have they masked in all this bullshit?

01:50:30.000 The whole thing is just – it's very disconcerting to find out that the people – Here's the good news, is the irony of COVID, is the forces that were forcing us to be locked down and stay home gave rise to independent creators and journalists and independent thinkers and folks like you. 0.93

01:50:54.000 And because of their forcing the lockdowns, they destroyed their own industry.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 And there's no going back.

01:51:01.000 I mean, I haven't watched MSNBC or Fox News in years.

01:51:05.000 And you turn it on, it's like, oh, this is just, I hear the same stuff from the left and the right.

01:51:10.000 I just hear the same stuff.

01:51:11.000 I get my news from YouTube, from all different sources, and that's what I want.

01:51:15.000 And they destroyed their own industry.

01:51:17.000 Yeah, and it's interesting to see, like, what...

01:51:23.000 Because five, ten years ago, you never would have imagined that CNN would lose all its credibility.

01:51:28.000 No!

01:51:29.000 We watched Desert Storm on there.

01:51:31.000 Everything.

01:51:32.000 Always.

01:51:32.000 when you wanted to get the news, and it was always, It just showed you what the news was.

01:51:42.000 And then somewhere along the line, it became very editorialized, very opinion-based, and very, you know, these people...

01:51:51.000 Do not do your own research.

01:51:53.000 Imagine saying don't read.

01:51:54.000 Right.

01:51:55.000 Don't read.

01:51:56.000 You're not smart enough, AJ.

01:51:58.000 Right. 0.82

01:51:59.000 You think you can go read and absorb information?

01:52:02.000 You're not smart enough to absorb information.

01:52:04.000 Leave that to the experts. 0.90

01:52:06.000 Don't listen to Rogan.

01:52:07.000 He takes horse pills.

01:52:08.000 He got that from his doctor. 1.00

01:52:11.000 Let's also call it horse dewormer was so stupid because everybody knows it's used on humans. 0.99

01:52:16.000 Oh, ivermectin's in my... 0.99

01:52:22.000 That's required medication for foreign service.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, so it's one of those things where you wonder after something like that has been happening, well, this seems like a playbook they're really comfortable with using.

01:52:31.000 How many other things do they use this on?

01:52:33.000 Like, what other aspects of society are just complete horseshit?

01:52:37.000 When did it really start?

01:52:40.000 Right.

01:52:40.000 You know, probably during the 40s.

01:52:44.000 Maybe even before, because if you read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler, that was 33. General Butler, yeah, the business plot general.

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 Yeah, he was a very, very honest guy.

01:52:55.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 Yeah, if you guys don't know, the business plot is worth looking into.

01:52:59.000 They tried to recruit him to overthrow the government.

01:53:01.000 Yeah.

01:53:02.000 Yeah.

01:53:03.000 Because he had all the troops at his disposal.

01:53:05.000 Yeah, that was wild.

01:53:06.000 They were going to have a coup.

01:53:07.000 They were going to have a coup.

01:53:08.000 In the United States.

01:53:09.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 And nobody That's the J.P. Morgans and that whole set.

01:53:15.000 So this kind of thinking has been going on forever.

01:53:18.000 And then there's also kind of gatekeeping of information, like hiding the truth from people in order to preserve narratives, in order to preserve power and authority.

01:53:28.000 Well, let's connect.

01:53:30.000 Let's go back to Butler for a quick second.

01:53:32.000 You've got Tesla who's... 0.96

01:53:46.000 And Morgan's like, how do you put a meter on that?

01:53:49.000 Tesla's like, what do you mean?

01:53:51.000 Propel mankind forward.

01:53:52.000 Morgan pulls his funding, tells everyone in the investment class, this guy's a kook, and if you invest with him, you don't do business with me. 1.00

01:53:59.000 A few years later, Wardenclyffe Tower gets torn down.

01:54:02.000 Tesla dies in poverty.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 And where are those 20 boxes?

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 And why was the government so quick to respond to that crime scene?

01:54:11.000 Yeah, they showed up at that guy's house quick.

01:54:13.000 They gathered up all that information.

01:54:15.000 I wonder what they got from that.

01:54:16.000 Uncle John Trump there.

01:54:19.000 He was in charge of that.

01:54:20.000 What did they get in those boxes?

01:54:20.000 Right.

01:54:22.000 Donald Trump's uncle reviewed Tesla's death ray secrets and found mysterious royal letters.

01:54:30.000 He kind of does.

01:54:31.000 That's what Trump would look like if he didn't do the comb-over.

01:54:33.000 Wasn't he working out of Wright-Patterson as well?

01:54:34.000 Was he?

01:54:36.000 For this?

01:54:37.000 Dun-dun-dun.

01:54:39.000 Wright-Patterson is a weird place.

01:54:43.000 Like, they think that that's where one of them is.

01:54:45.000 Yes.

01:54:46.000 Yeah.

01:54:47.000 You know the Nixon story with Jackie Gleason?

01:54:50.000 I know that Gleason was into UFOs.

01:54:52.000 Tell the story.

01:54:53.000 The story is Gleason got into UFOs because him and Nixon were drinking one day. 0.99

01:54:57.000 And Nixon was like, you want to see some shit? 0.99

01:54:59.000 I wish I was drinking with that. 1.00

01:55:00.000 Can you imagine?

01:55:01.000 And then he takes them.

01:55:02.000 He flies them out to wherever the base is and shows him a crashed UFO and these bodies that they have in freezers.

01:55:10.000 And it was Ray Patterson?

01:55:11.000 I do not know.

01:55:13.000 I do not know.

01:55:14.000 I don't know if Jackie Gleason ever said.

01:55:15.000 The story came from Gleason's wife, and it was an article in some sort of a magazine.

01:55:20.000 But then there's the house that Gleason built in upstate New York that looked like a UFO.

01:55:25.000 Like, Gleason built a home.

01:55:28.000 Yeah, that was like a disc.

01:55:30.000 I'm going to look into this.

01:55:31.000 It's such a good story.

01:55:32.000 I wonder where they went.

01:55:33.000 Reportedly would have been in Homestead Air Force Base.

01:55:36.000 It might be in Florida.

01:55:38.000 In 73. I think that's where they were when they were playing golf.

01:55:42.000 70. Embalmed.

01:55:43.000 Was reportedly shown in bomb bodies of four alien beings.

01:55:47.000 Dun, dun, dun.

01:55:49.000 So Nixon exposes UFOs to a civilian and then it does not go well for Richard Nixon after that.

01:55:54.000 Well, I think what went badly for Richard Nixon was that Richard Nixon was inquiring as to who killed JFK and he said he thought he knew.

01:56:02.000 And he was kind of talking about it publicly.

01:56:04.000 And they're like, okay.

01:56:05.000 Yep.

01:56:06.000 And they had already, you know, brought in Gerald Ford, kicked out Spiro Agnew.

01:56:10.000 They got rid of him.

01:56:11.000 Gerald Ford, who was also in the Warren Commission report.

01:56:13.000 That's right.

01:56:14.000 And then all of a sudden Nixon and Watergate.

01:56:17.000 Nixon, the most popular president of all time.

01:56:20.000 And it turns out that Bob Woodward was actually an intelligence agent, and this is his first project ever.

01:56:20.000 Of all time.

01:56:26.000 Operation Mockingbird.

01:56:27.000 And then the people that were involved in the break-in, all FBI.

01:56:30.000 G. Gordon Liddy.

01:56:32.000 Yeah, the whole thing is a coup.

01:56:33.000 All was a coup, all was a setup. 0.99

01:56:35.000 And we're all parroting, you know, Nixon was a crook. 1.00

01:56:39.000 That guy was a crook. 1.00

01:56:40.000 He was this, he was that. 0.99

01:56:41.000 Like, they did a great job.

01:56:42.000 The psyop was wonderful.

01:56:44.000 I'm a patsy.

01:56:45.000 Yeah.

01:56:45.000 They say it over and over.

01:56:47.000 Yeah.

01:56:48.000 It's all really, really interesting stuff.

01:56:51.000 But it's just, you know, what it boils down to with stuff like your show, like, how much of it is, how much is real?

01:57:01.000 And when you have these mysteries, one of the amazing things about mysteries is you're never going to run out of topics.

01:57:09.000 There's so many of these things.

01:57:09.000 No.

01:57:11.000 And as long as there's a U.S. government, I'm good.

01:57:14.000 As long as the CIA exists.

01:57:15.000 They're always going to be hiding something.

01:57:17.000 But the fun ones are always the alien ones.

01:57:20.000 That's the most fun ones.

01:57:21.000 The alien ones and the ancient civilization ones.

01:57:24.000 What do you think, when you go over the Bob Lazar story? 0.99

01:57:28.000 Like, what do you—how much of you cries bullshit? 0.99

01:57:33.000 How much of you is like, hmm? 1.00

01:57:35.000 I'm more on the hmm side.

01:57:37.000 I think he's the most credible whistleblower because he— Didn't profit from that.

01:57:41.000 Didn't profit, and they— I mean, they prosecuted him for running a prostitution ring.

01:57:46.000 Which maybe he was.

01:57:48.000 Which I think he was.

01:57:49.000 He pled down to pandering.

01:57:51.000 They also raided him during the Jeremy Corbell documentary.

01:57:55.000 While they're filming the documentary, the FBI raided his facility.

01:57:59.000 And they said they were looking for something.

01:58:02.000 And supposedly he has a version or a sample of stable Element 115.

01:58:09.000 What?

01:58:10.000 That's supposedly.

01:58:12.000 Yeah, and that's supposedly what they were looking for.

01:58:15.000 Supposedly, he had gotten that from the lab when he was at S4, and that he had managed to smuggle out a stable chunk of this Element 115.

01:58:15.000 Of course.

01:58:25.000 And there was a video that George Knapp had from back in the 80s where Lazar was demonstrating how this stuff bends light and what it does.

01:58:34.000 weird effects.

01:58:35.000 How soon after that raid was 115 is now called Moscovium.

01:58:40.000 How soon after that raid was...

01:58:43.000 I think it was synthesized in Russia.

01:58:45.000 Well, synthesized by a particle collider.

01:58:48.000 And so when they got it is a very temporary, quickly dissolving form, but they proved its existence.

01:58:58.000 And supposedly what Lazar is saying, wherever these beings are from, they obviously have a completely different environment and they have a stable version of this element.

01:59:09.000 Yep.

01:59:10.000 And this element is crucial to this gravity propulsion system.

01:59:13.000 It's a part of this reactor.

01:59:15.000 It gets bombarded with radiation, produces this gravity field, allows you to just slingshot through the universe.

01:59:23.000 I don't know.

01:59:24.000 Are they working to stabilize it?

01:59:26.000 You know, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, man.

01:59:28.000 Why would they raid Bob Lazar?

01:59:30.000 That's that spectrum of believability again.

01:59:34.000 Here's a guy who's being attacked and tormented.

01:59:37.000 In the middle of filming the documentary.

01:59:38.000 I mean, I just had my first IRS audit.

01:59:41.000 I don't know how you're doing.

01:59:42.000 Oh, what'd you do?

01:59:43.000 I didn't do anything.

01:59:44.000 I don't work in weed anymore.

01:59:46.000 What do you think they were auditing you for?

01:59:50.000 When you go over all your episodes.

01:59:52.000 I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

01:59:55.000 What do you think are the most problematic?

02:00:00.000 Most problematic for me are probably the CIA ones.

02:00:10.000 It was the dark history of DARPA and all the bad stuff that DARPA's done since its founding.

02:00:16.000 It's done some horrible, horrible, horrible stuff.

02:00:19.000 And that was an episode I was afraid to release.

02:00:21.000 There's been a couple of those.

02:00:23.000 MKUltra is kind of afraid to release, because I name names.

02:00:25.000 A scary one was...

02:00:31.000 Yeah, that's a weird one.

02:00:32.000 Bobby Kennedy fully believes that.

02:00:34.000 Eric Traub was like the chief Nazi bio-warfare specialist that was brought here, Operation Paperclip. 0.53

02:00:41.000 And we do.

02:00:43.000 We do know that there have been some studies done where they were trying to devise diseases that they could aerial spray, whether it's through bugs or something, onto a population, overwhelm their medical system so they'd be easier to defeat.

02:00:59.000 That's documented.

02:01:00.000 Yeah.

02:01:00.000 The entire enemy, super weak.

02:01:02.000 Everybody's weak over there.

02:01:05.000 Also documented is some ticks got out.

02:01:11.000 Some ticks got out.

02:01:12.000 So it's, you know, when you look at Lyme, Connecticut as ground zero and it just spreads from there and there was no Lyme disease before.

02:01:18.000 That's a scary one to release.

02:01:20.000 Yeah.

02:01:21.000 But whenever I get into Operation Paperclip, I always hammer home.

02:01:25.000 These are Nazis. 0.67

02:01:27.000 You know, Wernher von Braun is not a hero.

02:01:30.000 He's a hero, but he's not a hero. 0.95

02:01:32.000 You know, a lot of these guys, these are all evil dudes.

02:01:34.000 And most of the Operation Paperclip was just bringing over intelligence assets.

02:01:38.000 They don't like talking about that.

02:01:40.000 It's the 1,200 scientists that we learn about.

02:01:42.000 It's not the 6,000 intelligence agents that just lived here until the 70s and 80s.

02:01:47.000 Right. 0.99

02:01:48.000 All with their fucking dueling scars on their faces. 1.00

02:01:51.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:01:53.000 Scary-looking dudes, like right out of Indiana Jones.

02:01:55.000 Right.

02:01:56.000 SS on the shoulder.

02:01:57.000 And that's what was a part of NASA.

02:01:59.000 That was running NASA.

02:02:01.000 Wernher von Braun was an actual Nazi and he was the head of NASA.

02:02:05.000 And SS Nazi. 0.64

02:02:07.000 The V-1 rocket program killed 3,000 people in London but killed 30,000 Jewish slaves building the rocket.

02:02:16.000 You know, 10 times more people died building the thing.

02:02:18.000 And if you didn't work hard enough in the rocket factory, they would just hang you from the rafters.

02:02:23.000 But von Braun said he didn't know anything about it.

02:02:25.000 And all of his team said, we didn't know anything about it.

02:02:28.000 Okay.

02:02:29.000 Well, that's convenient. 0.99

02:02:30.000 Well, every time I bring up someone who's from there, I just remind everybody, these are Nazis, these are liars, these are bad dudes. 0.90

02:02:38.000 That doesn't mean, you know, they didn't do amazing things for America, because you could do both. 0.66

02:02:43.000 Yeah, that's what's weird.

02:02:45.000 You know, the V-1 rocket eventually becomes Saturn V, which takes us to the moon, allegedly.

02:02:49.000 Allegedly.

02:02:51.000 Allegedly.

02:02:52.000 That's my favorite one.

02:02:53.000 Same.

02:02:54.000 Did you ever see the episode I did with Bart Sabrell?

02:02:56.000 Yes, and I talked to Bart from time to time.

02:02:59.000 Boy, he's all in.

02:03:00.000 All in.

02:03:01.000 For decades.

02:03:02.000 Eventually I'm going to do a conversation podcast and he'll be one of the first guys I have on.

02:03:08.000 I had dinner with Bart Sabrell in like the year 2000, 2003 or something like that.

02:03:16.000 I had dinner with him in Los Angeles.

02:03:18.000 I had seen A Funny Thing Happen on the Way to the Moon.

02:03:22.000 What year was that released?

02:03:23.000 Great documentary.

02:03:24.000 What year was A Funny Thing Happen on the Way to the Moon released?

02:03:27.000 So it was like shortly thereafter, somehow, I do not even remember how I got connected with him, but we had dinner in Los Angeles at this Italian restaurant.

02:03:37.000 I sat down with him.

02:03:38.000 2001.

02:03:38.000 2001, yeah.

02:03:39.000 So it was probably around 2003 that Bart and I had dinner.

02:03:43.000 And then, you know, 22 years later, I had him on the podcast.

02:03:48.000 He's still going after it.

02:03:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:50.000 He still emails me and I'm like, Bart, I'll have you on.

02:03:52.000 I'm still building this studio.

02:03:54.000 He's so all in on this. 0.98

02:03:56.000 And the more you talk to him, the more you go, God damn it, he might be right. 0.98

02:04:00.000 He might be. 0.84

02:04:01.000 I debunk a lot of his claims.

02:04:02.000 Which ones?

02:04:03.000 Not all of them.

02:04:03.000 You know, like the parallel shadows and how a shadow on the moon should be completely black.

02:04:10.000 But that's not really true.

02:04:11.000 And shadows.

02:04:13.000 Well, things are reflective and the surface is reflective.

02:04:15.000 That's part of the issue. 0.96

02:04:16.000 But the parallel shadows are fucking weird. 0.56

02:04:19.000 Like, you could find a reason why these intersecting shadows could exist, but it also could be more than one source of light. 0.90

02:04:29.000 Sure.

02:04:30.000 There's a lot of weirdness to it.

02:04:32.000 And shadows are not parallel.

02:04:34.000 They don't work that way.

02:04:35.000 Shadows disappear to the...

02:04:39.000 Right.

02:04:39.000 You know, there are no parallel shadows.

02:04:41.000 Right, but going in completely different directions is very odd.

02:04:44.000 It's odd.

02:04:45.000 It's very odd.

02:04:46.000 That's not nearly as odd as...

02:04:51.000 You know, there's so many things.

02:04:53.000 Like, how goofy it looks when that craft lifts off from the moon and takes off at its pace. 0.99

02:04:59.000 And it's wobbling around like it's on a fucking string. 0.99

02:05:02.000 It looks like it's on a string. 1.00

02:05:03.000 It looks so fake.

02:05:04.000 The camera tracks it nicely.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, it pans.

02:05:07.000 From where?

02:05:08.000 From Earth?

02:05:09.000 From Houston?

02:05:10.000 From Houston with, what, seven-second delay or whatever?

02:05:14.000 How about the fact that Nixon is on the phone with them?

02:05:18.000 In real time?

02:05:19.000 In real time.

02:05:20.000 Like, you don't got a delay.

02:05:22.000 It would be with 1969 technology, communicating.

02:05:26.000 Like, one of the reasons why Gus Grisham, you know, the big theory is that Gus Grisham was murdered because he wasn't willing to go along with it.

02:05:34.000 Gus Grisham hung a lemon.

02:05:36.000 On the lunar module because he wasn't able to communicate with the tower from Earth.

02:05:42.000 The communication system wasn't working. 0.99

02:05:44.000 And he's like, this is a fucking lemon. 0.99

02:05:46.000 and he puts a lemon on a coat hanger and hangs it on the thing. 0.99

02:05:54.000 Oh, they don't have them anymore.

02:05:55.000 Gone.

02:05:56.000 They don't know.

02:05:56.000 They're gone.

02:05:57.000 What about the telemetry data?

02:05:58.000 That's really important.

02:05:59.000 Gone.

02:06:00.000 The episode I did on the moon, which is a fun one, I even have a NASA...

02:06:07.000 We just lost it.

02:06:08.000 Yeah.

02:06:09.000 Didn't write anything down or nothing.

02:06:11.000 And then there's the reality of the Van Allen radiation belts.

02:06:15.000 That's true.

02:06:16.000 That could be explained scientifically.

02:06:19.000 Can it?

02:06:21.000 The radiation is high particles, high voltage, all that, but they're spread wide apart, so you just got to go really fast through them.

02:06:28.000 Right, but it took hours to get through it.

02:06:30.000 It did.

02:06:30.000 It did, but they still were moving fast.

02:06:33.000 Or it would kill everybody.

02:06:34.000 Or it would kill everybody.

02:06:35.000 And that's why nobody but the Apollo astronauts ever got through that. 0.99

02:06:39.000 What I would say is, like, they never even flew a chicken through that shit and had it come back alive. 0.98

02:06:43.000 And they're just going to try it out with people? 0.99

02:06:43.000 No. 0.99

02:06:45.000 Like the dog did not survive when they threw Like up there.

02:06:48.000 Well, how about Operation Starfish Prime, where they shot a nuke into there to try to blow a hole through it, and it wound up making it more radioactive?

02:06:57.000 Of course!

02:06:59.000 They thought they were going to blow a hole in the Van Allen radiation belt so they could just pop through that hole.

02:07:03.000 Right.

02:07:04.000 And now, thanks to that, we've got the South Atlantic anomaly where there's just no protection anymore.

02:07:09.000 We appreciate all that.

02:07:10.000 They blew out the power in Hawaii.

02:07:12.000 Right.

02:07:13.000 Yeah, they fucked up the grid.

02:07:15.000 They were detonating nukes in space. 0.91

02:07:18.000 It's really crazy.

02:07:19.000 People in the 1950s and 60s were buck wild.

02:07:22.000 They had so much power.

02:07:22.000 They were.

02:07:24.000 There was no internet.

02:07:25.000 There was no oversight.

02:07:26.000 And they were doing things that were completely new, like nuclear bombs.

02:07:30.000 And they're like, let's see if it does this.

02:07:32.000 Even Oppenheimer, they didn't know what was going to happen.

02:07:35.000 They had a more than 0% possibility that it was going to cause a chain reaction that would destroy the entire environment of the earth.

02:07:44.000 Yes.

02:07:45.000 And they were like...

02:07:47.000 Well, we gotta try it.

02:07:48.000 There's only one way to know.

02:07:51.000 Detonate it.

02:07:52.000 And something like Bikini Atoll, which I think was Castle Bravo, was like three times more powerful than they thought.

02:07:59.000 You know, it's like we're going for 10 kilotons, but we got 30?

02:08:03.000 Dude, you gotta carry the one.

02:08:04.000 Be careful.

02:08:07.000 Just be careful.

02:08:08.000 Carry the one.

02:08:08.000 I don't even know why we messed with it.

02:08:10.000 Yeah, well, it's too late.

02:08:12.000 Too late.

02:08:13.000 The genie's out of the bottle.

02:08:14.000 So if you had a bet, if you had $100,000 and you can bet we went to the moon, we didn't go to the moon.

02:08:24.000 That money is not enough. 0.94

02:08:26.000 But gun to the head. 1.00

02:08:28.000 Gun to the head. 0.97

02:08:29.000 We went to the moon without people. 1.00

02:08:29.000 Gun to the head. 1.00

02:08:33.000 That's what I would go with. 0.99

02:08:35.000 But let me preface by saying my head, I'm like a bobblehead.

02:08:38.000 I go back and forth and I can be convinced one way or the other.

02:08:42.000 It's a very complicated issue.

02:08:45.000 Like, I can be convinced both ways.

02:08:47.000 There's also the weird footage that looks like they're on wires where they're pulled up when they fall down.

02:08:51.000 You could see the reflections.

02:08:53.000 Yeah.

02:08:53.000 Yeah, uh-huh.

02:08:54.000 Weird.

02:08:56.000 It's a good episode.

02:08:57.000 I get into all of that.

02:08:58.000 I cover Bart.

02:08:59.000 Buzz Aldrin knows how to throw a shot.

02:09:01.000 Kind of.

02:09:02.000 Didn't get his hip into it.

02:09:04.000 Hold shoulders.

02:09:05.000 But it's also, the thing is, like, every other technology from 1969 is cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce today, except the moon landing.

02:09:14.000 Right.

02:09:15.000 That, no one has ever done it again.

02:09:17.000 No one has ever even been a deep, not human beings, have ever even been a deep space.

02:09:23.000 And there's no...

02:09:24.000 I don't know why.

02:09:25.000 You know, if we could 3D print anything, Every time, because you're going to do 10,000 of them.

02:09:40.000 Just bring some wire, bring some wire, bring some aluminum, and we can just build this stuff in orbit.

02:09:44.000 We don't have to worry about escaping gravity.

02:09:47.000 Just build stuff up, 3D print stuff in orbit.

02:09:51.000 It sounds a little more complicated than you're making it out to be, but I see what you're saying.

02:09:56.000 The film footage, the lost footage that Sabrell had is also very compelling, where it looks like they're filming the moon from, you know, 30,000 miles out.

02:10:07.000 But then when they pull the covers off the windows, it shows you they're actually in near-Earth orbit.

02:10:11.000 It fills up the whole window.

02:10:13.000 And they even say in that film, we've got the camera right up against the window.

02:10:18.000 No one can get in between it.

02:10:20.000 But then someone walks in between the camera and the thing.

02:10:22.000 And then you see what looks like a piece of plastic.

02:10:25.000 And then everything opens up.

02:10:28.000 That's a hard one to explain.

02:10:30.000 It is.

02:10:31.000 And not for public display?

02:10:33.000 Not for public.

02:10:34.000 That's absolutely right.

02:10:35.000 And also, why would you ever delete all of the original film?

02:10:42.000 Why would you destroy the original film?

02:10:44.000 Why would they lose the telemetry data?

02:10:47.000 And we don't even have a direct feed.

02:10:49.000 Because they broadcast the feed on a wall and then pointed a TV camera at the wall.

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:56.000 And that's what we see.

02:10:57.000 Yeah, that's why it looks so shitty on television in 1969.

02:11:00.000 Because the networks were like, hey, can we get the live feed?

02:11:02.000 NASA's like, ah, you don't need that.

02:11:03.000 It's so weird.

02:11:04.000 It's weird.

02:11:05.000 It's a weird one.

02:11:06.000 It's also just weird that we keep saying we're going to go back and we still never even get out of Earth's gravity.

02:11:12.000 Or never even get out of Earth's atmosphere.

02:11:14.000 Earth's orbit, rather.

02:11:15.000 As soon as the Chinese start mining helium-2 or whatever, we'll get there. 1.00

02:11:21.000 People always say, oh, well, there's photographs of the lunar lander on the moon.

02:11:26.000 You can see it.

02:11:28.000 How'd they get that buggy up there? 0.99

02:11:30.000 How'd they piece that buggy together in a little tiny-ass fucking lunar module? 0.99

02:11:34.000 Because you can't see the tracks up there if you believe the stuff. 0.99

02:11:38.000 What does that mean?

02:11:40.000 There's video of me selling Kentucky Fried Chicken.

02:11:43.000 Oh, I've got to look that up.

02:11:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:11:45.000 It might not even be Kentucky Fried Chicken, but there's AI video of me hawking all kinds of stuff that I've never even seen.

02:11:45.000 I've got to write that down.

02:11:52.000 You show up at my feed.

02:11:52.000 I know.

02:11:53.000 I'm like, oh, he's selling chicken.

02:11:55.000 It's all fake.

02:11:56.000 But that is easy to fake because it's blurry.

02:11:59.000 Blurry nonsense photos.

02:12:01.000 In my episode on the face on Mars, I show exactly how NASA copy and pasted cloud formations.

02:12:08.000 You literally see it's the same cloud formations.

02:12:11.000 And then you see the Mars photos.

02:12:12.000 They copy and pasted chunks on Mars.

02:12:14.000 They did that.

02:12:15.000 Like, I didn't make that up.

02:12:16.000 What do you mean by that?

02:12:17.000 They copy and pasted chunks on Mars?

02:12:19.000 You've got this Martian rock face.

02:12:22.000 Cydonia.

02:12:23.000 Cydonia is where the face was and the alleged city.

02:12:27.000 What about that square?

02:12:28.000 And the square is crazy.

02:12:30.000 The square?

02:12:30.000 But that's a recent one that we've been seeing.

02:12:32.000 Yep.

02:12:32.000 That one's nuts.

02:12:34.000 Cydonia was one of the original landing places.

02:12:37.000 And they changed it at the last minute.

02:12:40.000 Why?

02:12:42.000 Land there and go to the face.

02:12:44.000 Let's see.

02:12:44.000 Because if you don't know the story about the face on Mars, the first image is it does look like a face.

02:12:49.000 And then suddenly the images got blurrier and then it was just kind of a plateau.

02:12:53.000 It was, you know, pareidolia.

02:12:55.000 It wasn't really a face.

02:12:56.000 Right.

02:12:57.000 Well, then land there.

02:12:58.000 Drive, you know, Sojourner over there, whatever.

02:13:01.000 Let's have a look.

02:13:02.000 What's crazy is that the face is right down the street from the square.

02:13:06.000 Yes.

02:13:06.000 The square, to me, is way more compelling than the face.

02:13:09.000 Because if the second images were more clear and it really is just, how do you say that word again?

02:13:13.000 Pareidolia.

02:13:14.000 Pareidolia.

02:13:15.000 If that's really what it is, that kind of makes sense.

02:13:17.000 Because the first one's like real blurry and shitty and it was from the 70s.

02:13:20.000 True.

02:13:21.000 Right? 0.54

02:13:21.000 But this square is nuts. 0.54

02:13:23.000 Right.

02:13:24.000 It looks geometrical.

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 You know, right angles. 0.99

02:13:27.000 And an actual square, or at least similar to a square, it looks like a structure made out of right angles, and it's on the fucking moon. 0.97

02:13:36.000 I showed it to Elon Musk. 0.96

02:13:37.000 He's like, oh, very interesting.

02:13:38.000 We should probably go up there and look around.

02:13:40.000 We should.

02:13:40.000 I mean, they're finally admitting that Mars used to have an atmosphere and oceans, giant oceans.

02:13:46.000 And they found frozen water on Mars.

02:13:49.000 Yeah, which is like, okay.

02:13:50.000 Yep.

02:13:55.000 What was going on there?

02:13:57.000 Remember they sent Joe McMoneagle to Remote View back on Mars.

02:14:00.000 Oh, what did he say?

02:14:01.000 He said he saw giant, tall beings there in a very advanced society.

02:14:07.000 And Joe McMoneagle was part of the Project Stargate Remote Viewer.

02:14:11.000 So he goes into his thing and he's drawing the aliens and the cities and all of that.

02:14:15.000 But he didn't know where he was looking.

02:14:17.000 You know, they wouldn't tell you at first.

02:14:19.000 And then he's done.

02:14:20.000 He comes out of his transfer, whatever, opens the envelope, and it says Mars with coordinates, 1 million BC or something.

02:14:26.000 He said he saw stuff.

02:14:28.000 And Stargate, again, Ingo Swann, saw all kinds of stuff on the far side of the moon, which I don't see, I don't hear covered a lot with Ingo, but he remote viewed the moon because he always wanted to do more stuff.

02:14:42.000 He's like, I don't want to look at a bridge.

02:14:43.000 I'm going to go to the moon.

02:14:44.000 And he said he saw...

02:14:51.000 What did he disclose?

02:14:53.000 Carl Wolf, Air Force airman.

02:14:55.000 He's basically a technician.

02:14:57.000 Think of a Xerox repairman.

02:15:00.000 He has to fix some imaging equipment for NASA slash DoD.

02:15:05.000 It's images from the moon surveyor.

02:15:07.000 So he goes in.

02:15:08.000 It's a dark room.

02:15:09.000 The guy's working there.

02:15:10.000 The guy's like, Carl, look at this.

02:15:12.000 It's pictures of the dark side of the moon.

02:15:13.000 He sees domes, towers, roads, all kinds of stuff.

02:15:17.000 He can't believe it.

02:15:18.000 And Carl goes home and he told his wife, I can't wait to see this on the news.

02:15:22.000 This is crazy what we found.

02:15:24.000 This is civilization on the moon.

02:15:26.000 And it just goes away.

02:15:29.000 And Carl Wolf said he saw that.

02:15:31.000 Remote viewing?

02:15:32.000 No.

02:15:34.000 Photographs.

02:15:34.000 He saw photographs?

02:15:35.000 He saw photographs of it.

02:15:37.000 He saw photographs.

02:15:38.000 Who took the photographs?

02:15:39.000 It was the moon surveyor satellite that takes pictures all the time.

02:15:44.000 It's like we have images.

02:15:47.000 We have stuff around the moon.

02:15:49.000 I don't know why there's no webcam.

02:15:51.000 I don't know why we can't just tap into the image.

02:15:54.000 Throw a satellite up there.

02:15:55.000 They're there.

02:15:56.000 Just send a signal back.

02:15:58.000 I read that they just got like 5G working in space.

02:16:02.000 Send us a signal.

02:16:03.000 Put a webcam on the ISS.

02:16:05.000 Let us tune in.

02:16:07.000 So Carl Wolf saw that stuff.

02:16:09.000 Ingo Swann saw the same things.

02:16:11.000 But he saw actual beings there.

02:16:14.000 And he said they were able to sense his consciousness.

02:16:17.000 And he like snapped out of it.

02:16:19.000 He said aliens are on the far side of the moon and they are not our friends.

02:16:23.000 So very interesting story.

02:16:24.000 Ingo Swann.

02:16:25.000 Very interesting cat.

02:16:27.000 So what took these photographs?

02:16:30.000 The moon surveyor, lunar surveyor, satellite.

02:16:34.000 None of that stuff's ever been released?

02:16:36.000 Oh, they released a lot of images from the far side, but they released what they release.

02:16:41.000 That's why we know there's fewer impacts on the far side, because we've seen those images.

02:16:45.000 But there's no images of these domes?

02:16:47.000 No, no.

02:16:48.000 I've seen some that maybe are faked.

02:16:50.000 That looked pretty compelling.

02:16:52.000 I forget what episode I showed them in, but when I found them, it was mind-blowing.

02:16:58.000 And I can't find them again, for some reason.

02:17:01.000 I wanted them for another episode, and I can't find the photos, which is always suspicious to me.

02:17:06.000 It's like suddenly the thing is blurry off of Malibu.

02:17:11.000 You just can't find the stuff.

02:17:13.000 But my gut tells me something's going on up there.

02:17:18.000 Someone's aware of it.

02:17:20.000 I'm dying to know what it is.

02:17:22.000 It would be unbelievable if Mars was the first planet that had life before Earth was capable of supporting life.

02:17:30.000 It reached a very high level of sophistication and then started seeding Earth.

02:17:35.000 Right.

02:17:36.000 Penspermia theory.

02:17:37.000 I believe we have at least one rock from Mars that just landed here.

02:17:42.000 I think we have one of those.

02:17:43.000 So for maybe a giant impact or something through some of Mars over here.

02:17:48.000 But the idea, I think, is that their atmosphere was deteriorating or that they were getting further and further from the sun.

02:17:56.000 Their magnetic field was weakening, strips away the atmosphere.

02:18:00.000 And so this would be the thing.

02:18:02.000 If you were a super advanced civilization, the race would get so advanced that you could leave your planet.

02:18:09.000 Yes.

02:18:09.000 And that's the only way you're going to survive because eventually your planet is going to move over millions of years further and further away from the sun.

02:18:17.000 Able to inhabit life anymore.

02:18:20.000 Right, so maybe send your DNA or whatever to the third rock.

02:18:25.000 Or Anunnaki. 0.76

02:18:27.000 Or Anunnaki. 0.76

02:18:29.000 That's a good one.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, they show up everywhere.

02:18:31.000 That's the ultimate one.

02:18:32.000 And it's the big one.

02:18:34.000 Anunnaki's the big one. 0.99

02:18:35.000 Yeah, that's a good one.

02:18:37.000 That's one that makes you go, oh.

02:18:39.000 Because it shows up everywhere.

02:18:40.000 It shows up in the Bible.

02:18:41.000 It shows up in the Mahabharata.

02:18:43.000 It shows up in ancient Chinese literature.

02:18:46.000 Shows up everywhere.

02:18:47.000 Not always called the Anunnaki, but the Anunnaki, and then they have their servile species that could be the Nephilim, could be the giants, and then they take these primitive humans, give them just enough intelligence to mine, you know, to mine the gold. 0.97

02:19:04.000 It's part of the lore.

02:19:05.000 Yeah.

02:19:06.000 It's a good one.

02:19:07.000 Oh, it's the best one.

02:19:09.000 It's the best one because How did they figure that out?

02:19:21.000 You're talking about 6,000 years ago, they had depictions of the planets?

02:19:26.000 All in the proper area.

02:19:27.000 Like, they weren't the exact right size, but, like, the bigger ones were in the place where the bigger ones would be, the smaller ones in the place where the smaller ones would be.

02:19:35.000 It was representative.

02:19:35.000 And the sun looks like a sun.

02:19:38.000 Like, it's got the rays around it.

02:19:39.000 Right.

02:19:40.000 Showing that this is the center of the solar system.

02:19:42.000 Right.

02:19:43.000 And this is how many thousands of years before Copernicus, right?

02:19:47.000 Yeah.

02:19:48.000 Didn't even know.

02:19:49.000 Something I don't think doesn't get enough attention is when these ancient cultures are obsessed with equinoxes.

02:19:55.000 A lot of people think equinox is when day and night are the same, but that's not what that is.

02:20:00.000 When day and night are the same, it's called Equilux, and it's different for everybody on Earth, depending on where you are.

02:20:05.000 And equinox is when the sun is over the center of the Earth's equator.

02:20:10.000 Well, how did you know there was an equator?

02:20:14.000 So Stonehenge is aligned to the equinoxes.

02:20:17.000 How did you know there was an equator?

02:20:20.000 And how is the pyramid, the sizes are directly divisible to a number like 43200 that could be factored in to calculate the circumference of the earth?

02:20:32.000 So you can calculate the equinox.

02:20:35.000 How did they do that?

02:20:36.000 Right.

02:20:37.000 And how is it pointed to true north, south, east, and west?

02:20:39.000 How did they do that?

02:20:40.000 Why does it mirror the stars of the Orion Belt?

02:20:43.000 But mirrors them 30,000 years ago because of precession.

02:20:46.000 Right.

02:20:47.000 So, I'm in the camp that the Egyptians found the pyramids, not built them, but...

02:20:53.000 I'm glad Zahi's not here. 0.98

02:20:57.000 Well, that would get you to the ancient civilization theory.

02:21:01.000 But when you're looking at an ancient civilization that is as complex as Egypt, and then you factor in the Anunnaki story and all these other things, you've got to think, why were the Egyptians so advanced?

02:21:12.000 Like, where did they learn this from?

02:21:14.000 Christopher Dunn has the answer.

02:21:17.000 The power plant?

02:21:18.000 Power plant.

02:21:19.000 Yeah.

02:21:20.000 Is that what you think? 0.93

02:21:21.000 You know, it's one of my favorite episodes because I, you know, you can either watch My Stupid Thing with the Fish or the better thing is to just buy Chris's books and read the science. 1.00

02:21:33.000 Don't be a sheep. 0.99

02:21:36.000 The next one's going to have taxes are theft. 0.99

02:21:38.000 For people who don't know, if you haven't watched the show, Hecklefish talks shit from the aquarium during the entire show. 0.94

02:21:43.000 It's really a funny little... 1.00

02:21:50.000 You have a talking fish who talks shit to you the entire time. 0.98

02:21:53.000 What I'm trying to do is take weird topics, complex topics, break them down, make them accessible to everybody, have a good time, get you thinking on your own. 0.99

02:22:02.000 If I get things wrong, that's okay.

02:22:04.000 As long as you go out and just get interested in stuff.

02:22:06.000 That's what I'm trying to do.

02:22:07.000 Have fun and get you interested.

02:22:09.000 Have you been looking at all under the structures underneath the pyramid?

02:22:13.000 Yes, I'm skeptical of that research.

02:22:16.000 Because if you look at the imaging, I don't see the coils or any of that stuff.

02:22:22.000 I don't see it.

02:22:23.000 They also said they found the tomb of Nefertiti.

02:22:25.000 No, the Tomb of Osiris.

02:22:27.000 It just looked like splotches on...

02:22:31.000 And they also haven't released any of that information to the scientific community.

02:22:34.000 Nothing's peer-reviewed.

02:22:36.000 But when it first hit the news, I was like, that supports the power plant theory, the coils and all that.

02:22:42.000 But I have a feeling that their research will be debunked.

02:22:45.000 Hope I'm wrong.

02:22:45.000 Really?

02:22:47.000 Well, they released more of it.

02:22:50.000 And because they released more of it, and the conversation that Graham Hancock and Brian Mirorescu had with them, they were initially skeptical as well.

02:22:58.000 They've come around more.

02:22:59.000 To thinking that these guys might be on to something.

02:23:02.000 Because they've done this multiple times now with multiple scans.

02:23:05.000 They keep getting the same results.

02:23:06.000 And it does kind of look like coils.

02:23:08.000 When you look at the images, first of all, the pillars.

02:23:10.000 The fact these pillars are uniform.

02:23:13.000 And then the fact that the structure goes down two kilometers into the Earth.

02:23:17.000 Like, maybe people 4,500 years ago.

02:23:22.000 We're so motivated, as Zoe said, that it's like, this is the project of the entire country, the pride of the country.

02:23:30.000 Okay, maybe, maybe, but two kilometers down?

02:23:33.000 We're starting to get real crazy.

02:23:35.000 I mean, if you look at the Khufu pyramids, perfect. 1.00

02:23:39.000 And then you look at the pyramids that were built later that we know were Egyptian built, and it's like the Timu version.

02:23:46.000 It's like you're not even...

02:23:49.000 It's just a pile of rocks.

02:23:50.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 Where the Great Pyramid is precise and there's no reasons for these different chambers and the chemical residue, why?

02:24:00.000 And why are there copper rods going down into the aquifer, which is exactly the technology Tesla was using at Wardenclyffe Tower, the same exact technology.

02:24:08.000 Why?

02:24:09.000 You know, there's hydrochloric acid.

02:24:10.000 We have evidence of that.

02:24:12.000 And we've got the zinc sulfide, and it creates hydrogen atoms that go up the gallery.

02:24:17.000 And then there's an opening that's exactly the right wavelength for hydrogen to flow through.

02:24:21.000 And it resonates at 440 hertz, and it makes an F-sharp chord.

02:24:25.000 And you've got the—it's tuned inside the king's chamber to exactly that chord.

02:24:30.000 Or, you know, maybe it's just a place for a dead guy.

02:24:34.000 You know, why use rose quartz, which is so highly, you know, rose granite is so dense with quartz.

02:24:41.000 It's very rare, but it creates a lot of piezoelectricity when you apply pressure to it.

02:24:45.000 And hydrogen could do that if you pumped it through the king's chamber.

02:24:49.000 It's so fascinating to me that the gatekeepers are so, they're so reluctant to even consider any possibility that it might have been something other than what they've initially asserted.

02:25:03.000 It ruins their career and their reputation.

02:25:05.000 It's like everything you said was wrong.

02:25:07.000 Over time, I have a buddy who just went to Egypt, and he hired these two archaeologists to take them on a tour, and both of them were saying, there is no way the actual mainstream story is accurate.

02:25:19.000 Like, there's no way.

02:25:20.000 Like, this stuff is beyond. 0.95

02:25:22.000 And then as he was, like, going through it with him, he said he was just fucking blown away.

02:25:26.000 He said, I haven't been, but he said, you can look at it all day on television and on your laptop. 0.99

02:25:32.000 When you go there, you're just like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:25:35.000 I'd love to see it. 0.99

02:25:36.000 Yeah, we should go together.

02:25:37.000 Let's do it.

02:25:37.000 Let's go.

02:25:38.000 Let's go.

02:25:39.000 Zahi wants me to go with him, but I just don't think I could.

02:25:42.000 I think after an hour, I'd be like, dude, I gotta get away from you.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:46.000 You're freaking me out.

02:25:46.000 He'll ruin everything.

02:25:47.000 I discovered this!

02:25:49.000 This is my discovery!

02:25:52.000 He didn't even mention the limestone from Tor.

02:25:56.000 Didn't even touch on it.

02:25:57.000 What's the significance of that?

02:25:59.000 It's a great insulator of electricity.

02:26:01.000 It's also mined from very far away.

02:26:04.000 We know it was definitely there.

02:26:05.000 Herodotus talked about the limestone pyramids that could be seen from the mountains of Arabia.

02:26:09.000 So Herodotus...

02:26:12.000 We know that the limestone facing was there because a lot of it was looted after a couple of earthquakes.

02:26:18.000 They built bridges out of it.

02:26:20.000 You can go touch it.

02:26:21.000 It's there.

02:26:22.000 But he didn't talk about it.

02:26:23.000 But if the pyramid power plant theory is true, then you use limestone as an insulator.

02:26:28.000 Inside you've got the granite, which creates this piece of electricity.

02:26:31.000 And then you've got this other limestone in between that kind of keeps everything modular So if it was a power plant, what was it powering and how was it doing that?

02:26:43.000 That's the big problem I have.

02:26:46.000 So if Tesla wanted to project this energy into the ionosphere, and then everyone could tap into it with some type of receiver, like a radio.

02:26:54.000 But there's no evidence I can find of them powering anything.

02:26:58.000 So we can make the argument that maybe if the capstone were gold, this energy could resonate through the center of the pyramid, come up through the golden capstone, and then go straight into the ionosphere.

02:27:09.000 And we know that the pyramid will resonate at certain frequencies and amplify it.

02:27:12.000 That's been tested at about 200 meters is the ideal wavelength.

02:27:16.000 But the only other theory is the obelisks at some point were these receivers.

02:27:21.000 But there's no evidence that they powered anything.

02:27:24.000 But maybe they used the energy for something different.

02:27:27.000 I don't know.

02:27:28.000 If we're looking at the wrong timeline, if we're not really looking at 2,500 BC, if we're looking at 30,000 BC or something even before that, which is also a weird thing that Zahid dismissed.

02:27:39.000 He dismissed this idea of the king's list that goes back 30,000 years.

02:27:45.000 Right.

02:27:45.000 Yeah.

02:27:45.000 And he says that just...

02:27:48.000 Right, just mit.

02:27:49.000 Yeah.

02:27:50.000 We know exactly.

02:27:51.000 Also, he said he didn't believe in carbon dating, which is like...

02:27:55.000 That's convenient.

02:27:56.000 That's convenient.

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:57.000 Do not believe in carbon dating.

02:27:58.000 And what about rock dating?

02:28:01.000 That is a thing with certain types of rock.

02:28:05.000 Limestone not so much, but something like igneous rock, you can get a pretty good idea.

02:28:09.000 Yeah, the whole thing is very weird. 0.95

02:28:12.000 It's so weird because it's so vast and so spectacular that no matter what you think, no matter what theories you have, you still have to look and go, how the fuck?

02:28:23.000 Like, it's so nutty that you can't even imagine people making it. 0.71

02:28:27.000 Right.

02:28:28.000 Not people as, like, we consider people today.

02:28:30.000 Like, if a civilization today, if we, let's say, for some reason, no one had ever visited a part of the Earth, and then they went to a part of the Earth, and they saw people with these structures today, we'd be like, what happened?

02:28:46.000 How did you do this?

02:28:47.000 We would think they were wizards.

02:28:50.000 Above and beyond.

02:28:50.000 2,300,000 stones.

02:28:53.000 Hundreds of miles through the mountains.

02:28:55.000 You carried the big ones for the inside of the King's Chamber.

02:28:57.000 You put them up 130 feet up in the air.

02:29:02.000 With a ramp.

02:29:03.000 I don't think so.

02:29:03.000 Yeah.

02:29:05.000 But it's all just, if they did, where'd that technology go?

02:29:11.000 Where'd that construction knowledge go?

02:29:12.000 Where did their engineering go?

02:29:14.000 How were people that advanced that long ago?

02:29:17.000 You know, I like the acoustic levitation theory is an interesting one where they use sound vibration to lift heavy objects.

02:29:25.000 You know, we see that occurring throughout history as part of lore.

02:29:29.000 But even in the 1930s, a British, maybe he was an archaeologist, naturalist,

02:29:35.000 went to see Buddhist monks and using instruments he watched them levitate heavy objects and there's film of it this is all the legend and when he went back to the UK they see the film but they were using instruments and chanting to levitate these rocks up a cliff face to build whatever they were building well how about that wacky dude in Florida that made the Coral Castle oh yeah that's Edward Lee Scanlon I found it's hard to find but I found him

02:30:05.000 It's still amazing what he did.

02:30:07.000 Yeah, by himself.

02:30:08.000 By himself.

02:30:09.000 He's like 5 '1", 90 pounds.

02:30:12.000 And I think that door is tons.

02:30:14.000 And you can push it with your finger.

02:30:16.000 That door in the Coral Castle is amazing.

02:30:18.000 And supposedly did it for his girlfriend?

02:30:21.000 I didn't read that.

02:30:22.000 For his beloved?

02:30:23.000 Yeah.

02:30:24.000 He did it to impress a lady.

02:30:25.000 You went too far, man.

02:30:27.000 You don't have to do that.

02:30:28.000 just buy a nice car.

02:30:29.000 Don't do the...

02:30:33.000 Anybody can buy that stuff.

02:30:34.000 I'm going to rock this chick's world. 0.99

02:30:36.000 Literally going to rock her world. 1.00

02:30:38.000 She's going to see my Coral Castle and go, this motherfucker's the one. 1.00

02:30:41.000 She bailed. 1.00

02:30:44.000 You bail if a dude builds you a castle.

02:30:47.000 Look at the time.

02:30:49.000 Gotta go.

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:50.000 Mm-hmm.

02:30:51.000 When you do these shows, Which ones to you are the most exciting to create?

02:31:03.000 The most exciting?

02:31:05.000 Like one of the ones you get really jazzed about.

02:31:07.000 The ones that kind of shatter my belief system.

02:31:10.000 Like the hollow moon or the crop circles.

02:31:15.000 The idea of the moon being hollow is because they shot something into the moon and it rang like a bell.

02:31:22.000 Right.

02:31:23.000 Well, a few things.

02:31:23.000 Right.

02:31:24.000 You know, one was they deliberately crashed their rocket into the moon.

02:31:29.000 And there was seismology, you know, seismographs were placed in the moon to check what would happen.

02:31:35.000 And it did reverberate.

02:31:37.000 But mainstream science says it reverberates because it's extremely dry.

02:31:41.000 And that's why sound waves travel like that.

02:31:44.000 That's what they say.

02:31:45.000 But other scientists have said they're...

02:31:52.000 And why do they think that?

02:31:53.000 Just the way that the sound travels and just how...

02:31:58.000 There are parts of the moon where the surface dirt is...

02:32:04.000 Where the surface dirt is older than the dirt underneath.

02:32:07.000 The soil on top is older.

02:32:09.000 And the only way you can do that is through excavation.

02:32:14.000 Moonquakes.

02:32:15.000 Yeah.

02:32:16.000 And the moon had volcanoes on it at some point.

02:32:19.000 Passive seismic experiment size monitors were placed during the Apollo 12 mission, remained active until 1977, recording both natural and human-made moonquake.

02:32:30.000 Human-made moonquake?

02:32:32.000 Also, why are they doing that?

02:32:34.000 Right.

02:32:34.000 Why are you trying to make moonquakes?

02:32:35.000 In fact, moonquakes happen fairly regularly as space debris like asteroids hit the moon more frequently than Earth because the moon's atmosphere is much less dense.

02:32:43.000 Right above it, it described that the Apollo 12 mission was the first human-made moonquake.

02:32:47.000 They detonated or they crashed the module back on the surface.

02:32:52.000 One ton of TNT.

02:32:53.000 Good idea.

02:32:54.000 Oh, wow.

02:32:55.000 First human-made moonquake to take place, the PSE size monitors, oh, sizometers, size...

02:33:10.000 They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with.

02:33:13.000 And that next paragraph said it's because the moon is 60% as dense, which doesn't mean it's hollow, but it's just different.

02:33:19.000 Right, right.

02:33:20.000 So if the collision theory is true, which is the mainstream theory, then the moon was made mostly out of Earth's mantle, which will be less dense is what.

02:33:29.000 It just kind of clipped us.

02:33:31.000 Yeah.

02:33:32.000 But the moon is weird.

02:33:34.000 Yeah.

02:33:35.000 So the hollow moon one freaks you out.

02:33:38.000 Crop circles.

02:33:39.000 Crop circles.

02:33:40.000 You know, those are the fun ones.

02:33:43.000 The government conspiracy ones are interesting to me, but a lot of times they make me angry.

02:33:50.000 So it's not really fun, but I think it's important.

02:33:53.000 With the CIA stuff, MKUltra.

02:33:55.000 MKUltra and Agent Orange.

02:33:57.000 That stuff really makes me angry.

02:33:58.000 Yeah.

02:33:59.000 You know, the DARPA episode, I end up kind of losing my temper and crying a little at the end, which I didn't mean to do.

02:34:06.000 And it was just in the course of the research.

02:34:08.000 Just that's what happens.

02:34:10.000 Things start to unfold.

02:34:11.000 I just wanted to see DARPA's history.

02:34:13.000 And as I'm learning about it, it's like, oh, these guys did some bad, bad stuff.

02:34:17.000 And then when you get to Vietnam and, you know, you got the chemical company, Dow Chemical and DuPont and all this creating ancient blue, ancient purple, ancient orange.

02:34:30.000 And more American soldiers got sick than actually got killed in the conflict.

02:34:34.000 I dedicated the episode to my father-in-law, who had all kinds of injuries from Agent Orange.

02:34:39.000 The government denied any responsibility for years.

02:34:42.000 They finally agreed to a settlement in 1981.

02:34:45.000 He applied for his benefits, and the government made do.

02:34:48.000 They kept their word.

02:34:49.000 He got his settlement 40 years later.

02:34:52.000 Jesus.

02:34:53.000 And even that's never going to be enough to deal with all those health problems.

02:34:56.000 Right, so your country needs you, and you answer the call, and then when you need your country, take a number.

02:35:01.000 And your country needs you based on a false flag.

02:35:04.000 Gulf of Tonkin.

02:35:05.000 Yeah, which is also very dark.

02:35:08.000 LBG.

02:35:09.000 They fake attacks to get us to go to war.

02:35:13.000 And then there's Operation Northwoods, which is a really wonky one.

02:35:16.000 That was the one to get us into Cuba.

02:35:18.000 And that was probably Because I believe Kennedy put a stop on Northwoods.

02:35:25.000 And Bay of Pigs wouldn't allow air support.

02:35:28.000 Right. 0.97

02:35:28.000 He got screwed on that. 0.97

02:35:29.000 And the Bay of Pigs, that was the end. 0.90

02:35:31.000 That was where Kennedy says, we need to start again.

02:35:35.000 We've got to dismantle this and start again.

02:35:37.000 I can't rely on my intelligence community.

02:35:39.000 And Eisenhower, he talked to Eisenhower a lot.

02:35:42.000 And Eisenhower gave him advice and said, watch out for the CIA.

02:35:47.000 Keep an eye on them.

02:35:48.000 Because remember when Eisenhower left, he gave that famous farewell address where he said, beware of the military-industrial complex.

02:35:53.000 You make war profitable, you're going to have more war. 0.70

02:35:56.000 Because America was never like that before.

02:35:58.000 We had a defensive military, not an aggressive military, forever.

02:36:03.000 Profit is where the devil does his best work.

02:36:06.000 That's right.

02:36:06.000 Yeah.

02:36:07.000 That's right.

02:36:08.000 That's from the Bible, isn't it?

02:36:09.000 It might be.

02:36:10.000 But that's really what it is.

02:36:11.000 If evil is real, justification for evil, like if you have...

02:36:24.000 Hey, I'm just working.

02:36:26.000 This is part of my job.

02:36:27.000 And then you have a responsibility to shareholders to make maximum profits every quarter.

02:36:31.000 And then you justify all kinds of things and you get rewarded.

02:36:35.000 Great job!

02:36:36.000 You did a great job, AJ.

02:36:37.000 We like how you made those profits.

02:36:39.000 You got a nice fat bonus.

02:36:40.000 And then, you know, you drink yourself to sleep every night.

02:36:43.000 My stepsister just retired from Grumman.

02:36:46.000 She worked in top secret programs.

02:36:47.000 You won't tell the family what she did.

02:36:49.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:36:50.000 She wants to live.

02:36:51.000 Good. 0.98

02:36:52.000 Keep your mouth shut, lady. 1.00

02:36:53.000 Keep it shut. 0.99

02:36:55.000 Lisa, be quiet.

02:36:56.000 I'd keep my mouth shut, too.

02:36:57.000 She never said a word.

02:36:58.000 Why would you?

02:36:59.000 No.

02:36:59.000 It's not worth it.

02:37:00.000 It's not worth it.

02:37:00.000 No.

02:37:01.000 Pension's too good.

02:37:02.000 Also, you don't want to die, you know.

02:37:06.000 It's just like they get rid of people.

02:37:08.000 If you're in the business of killing people, which is what military contractors are, they are in the business of killing you if you get in the business of killing people.

02:37:17.000 They're like, oh, we just have to kill one more person and then we can kill a whole bunch of other people and make a lot of money? 0.93

02:37:22.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:37:23.000 Of course.

02:37:24.000 Oh, look.

02:37:25.000 He had a heart attack.

02:37:26.000 Whoopsies.

02:37:27.000 He fell out of a hotel window.

02:37:28.000 The Frank Olson murder is taught by Israeli intelligence as the perfect murder.

02:37:33.000 Which one's not?

02:37:34.000 Frank Olson was part of MKUltra and was starting to have second doubts about it.

02:37:39.000 So they sent him to a psychiatrist who he didn't know was actually – worked for Sidney Gottlieb and was into programming and he was freaking out.

02:37:48.000 And he's up in a hotel room with someone else from MK.

02:37:52.000 He falls out the window, but if you look at the window where he fell, it's like, you know, two feet by two feet.

02:37:59.000 You can't just jump out the window.

02:38:01.000 So he was found on the sidewalk by the doorman.

02:38:04.000 That's Frank Olsen worth looking up.

02:38:06.000 Oh.

02:38:08.000 He was joking for talking to his family afterwards.

02:38:10.000 They gave him $750,000.

02:38:12.000 That's right, and it took a lot of- Not file a claim.

02:38:17.000 Right.

02:38:18.000 And it was, be quiet.

02:38:19.000 We'll give you the money, but be quiet about it.

02:38:25.000 Yeah.

02:38:27.000 So, I mean, it's all real and it's a...

02:38:38.000 What is really going on behind the scenes?

02:38:40.000 You know, the NBA Ultra, the testimonies from the women is really heartbreaking to watch them.

02:38:46.000 You know, the sexual abuse that he endured for years at that, you know, the whatever that was, that lodge on the water near D.C. and just tortured and crazy stuff.

02:38:59.000 Operation Midnight Caller, you know that one?

02:39:01.000 Which one's that? 0.64

02:39:02.000 That's happened in San Francisco where they had agents hiring prostitutes. 1.00

02:39:07.000 Oh, Midnight Climax.

02:39:09.000 Midnight Climax, behind the two-way glass.

02:39:11.000 Yeah, nuts.

02:39:12.000 Nuts. 0.99

02:39:13.000 Bunch of weirdos. 0.97

02:39:14.000 Tax dollars at work.

02:39:16.000 And it's because they had no oversight.

02:39:19.000 You have ultimate power.

02:39:20.000 It's all totally deniable.

02:39:24.000 And it was, I think it was Nixon who banned it in 72. It might have even been 69 before he came in.

02:39:31.000 They kept doing it anyway.

02:39:33.000 Same with bioweapons.

02:39:34.000 They were ordered by executive order to get rid of their bioweapons and it was found out years later they were just stockpiling them.

02:39:40.000 They still had them.

02:39:42.000 And you know they still do.

02:39:44.000 Yeah.

02:39:46.000 Yeah.

02:39:47.000 Do you hesitate sometimes when you're doing these government cover-up ones?

02:39:52.000 Yes.

02:39:53.000 Yes.

02:39:55.000 Yeah, you know, I don't want to say I'm They are.

02:39:58.000 Bigfoot's not dangerous.

02:39:59.000 No, Bigfoot's not going to hurt me.

02:40:01.000 Bigfoot's a fun one.

02:40:01.000 It is fun.

02:40:02.000 UFOs are fun ones.

02:40:03.000 Different dimensions.

02:40:05.000 Fun stuff.

02:40:06.000 Yeah.

02:40:07.000 It's hard for me because I consider myself a patriot.

02:40:11.000 Very pro-military, pro-law enforcement, but also anti-war and pro-criminal justice reform.

02:40:19.000 I'm very politically confused.

02:40:21.000 Me too.

02:40:22.000 I just like fairness and transparency, that sort of thing.

02:40:26.000 You like to think that our government's good.

02:40:28.000 I do like to think that, and this journey has shown me that it's mostly not.

02:40:33.000 It's really mostly not, but it's a government made of men, and men are flawed and selfish.

02:40:38.000 And men will hurt each other.

02:40:39.000 And there's also justifications that can be made for doing terrible things because there's terrible people out there and you have to stay ahead.

02:40:46.000 Always.

02:40:47.000 Yeah.

02:40:48.000 Don't become a monster when you're fighting monsters.

02:40:50.000 That's exactly right.

02:40:51.000 And this collateral damage is just part of it.

02:40:54.000 Yeah.

02:40:55.000 So we give them a settlement to stay quiet, but this is for national security.

02:40:59.000 Yeah.

02:41:00.000 Great or good.

02:41:01.000 What other ones have freaked you out?

02:41:04.000 It's hard to say off the top of my head.

02:41:08.000 MK Eltra is a tough one.

02:41:10.000 I have covered Northwoods and some of those.

02:41:15.000 Operation Gladio was a crazy one.

02:41:18.000 That was where the CIA was killing civilians after World War II.

02:41:24.000 Allen Dulles.

02:41:24.000 I'm going to do an episode on Allen Dulles, the Dulles brothers, their connection to the Nazis and all of that.

02:41:29.000 That's going to be a dangerous one.

02:41:30.000 What were they doing?

02:41:32.000 They were killing people for what reason?

02:41:33.000 So we had to fight communism, communism, communism.

02:41:37.000 So they trained a secret army, a civilian army in Italy, to bomb civilians and then blame it on the communists.

02:41:45.000 The communists at that time were the most popular party in Italy, you know, post-war.

02:41:50.000 Because they just went through fascism, right, with Mussolini.

02:41:53.000 So you just...

02:41:57.000 So we swing way the other way.

02:41:59.000 Communism, very popular, can't have that.

02:42:02.000 So civilians were killed in bombings by the CIA-trained guerrilla army.

02:42:07.000 And they were trained by a Nazi general who was tight with Alan Dulles.

02:42:13.000 And this was planned during the war.

02:42:17.000 While American GIs were being killed fighting the Nazis, they were already planning. 0.54

02:42:23.000 This next phase.

02:42:24.000 But civilians died in massacres.

02:42:27.000 And they blamed it on communists.

02:42:29.000 And it was denied and denied.

02:42:30.000 And eventually it came out.

02:42:32.000 It was called Operation Gladio.

02:42:34.000 Gladius is the sword of the Roman soldier.

02:42:37.000 How did they kill the people?

02:42:38.000 Bomb. 0.62

02:42:39.000 Car bomb.

02:42:39.000 Car bomb was a big one.

02:42:40.000 I think it was in Milan.

02:42:41.000 But there was a few.

02:42:43.000 And they were just blaming the communists.

02:42:44.000 Right.

02:42:44.000 Just to stop communism.

02:42:45.000 Because it was a huge...

02:42:47.000 Italy was a lot of turmoil.

02:42:49.000 I think it was called like the...

02:42:54.000 Because people are just getting killed all the time.

02:42:56.000 I don't know how many constitutions Italy's had since World War II, but it's probably over two dozen at this point.

02:43:02.000 You know, it's a chaotic place.

02:43:03.000 Wow.

02:43:04.000 That's my people.

02:43:06.000 It's my people, too. 0.93

02:43:07.000 We're goofy.

02:43:09.000 What about the Richard structure?

02:43:14.000 You know, people ask me about that, the eye of the Sahara.

02:43:18.000 I usually say, you know what?

02:43:20.000 Go to Corsetti.

02:43:21.000 Go to Bright Insight.

02:43:22.000 Go to Randall Carlson.

02:43:23.000 Corsetti is the most bright.

02:43:25.000 Randall Carlson doesn't believe that that was Atlantis.

02:43:27.000 But Corsetti makes a very compelling case.

02:43:27.000 Right.

02:43:29.000 Mountains to the north.

02:43:31.000 River to the south.

02:43:32.000 The circular and the concentric rings.

02:43:34.000 The concentric rings.

02:43:36.000 They're the correct size.

02:43:37.000 Yep.

02:43:37.000 The fact that there's still salt on the ground there.

02:43:39.000 I want to believe it.

02:43:40.000 Yeah.

02:43:41.000 And then there's like when you pull back and you get the satellite image of the surface and it looks like it was just completely deluged.

02:43:49.000 It does.

02:43:49.000 Yeah.

02:43:50.000 Well, we know for a fact it was deluged.

02:43:53.000 It just doesn't line up with Atlantis.

02:43:56.000 I mean, Carlson has shown us how the surface of Africa was just altered by the flood.

02:44:04.000 So it all lines up, but there's all these leaps that we have to make.

02:44:09.000 I enjoy making them.

02:44:11.000 Yeah.

02:44:11.000 But, you know, on my show, I try to let people know, look, I connected some dots here.

02:44:16.000 You know, I had to fill in some gaps with a little bit of creative license.

02:44:21.000 But if you're interested, go pursue it.

02:44:23.000 Go learn more.

02:44:24.000 I want that to be Atlantis.

02:44:26.000 Yeah, it seems like Atlantis was a real place.

02:44:29.000 Because, you know, once they found out that Troy was a real place, Troy was also dismissed, right?

02:44:33.000 Yes, it was.

02:44:34.000 They found out, no, Troy actually existed. 0.98

02:44:36.000 It doesn't seem like any of those stories were bullshit. 0.97

02:44:39.000 it. 0.98

02:44:39.000 It seems like they were historical accounts. 0.98

02:44:41.000 And the thing about Plato's writings about Atlantis, he talks about it having existed 900 years prior, which lines up perfectly with the younger So the story goes back beyond Plato, if you believe Plato, which you can.

02:45:02.000 You can believe Plato.

02:45:03.000 Well, he was writing about a lot of things.

02:45:05.000 And it's just so fascinating when we think of that kind of historical record-keeping, that you're getting these depictions.

02:45:13.000 Depictions of what kind of a civilization existed thousands and thousands of years ago.

02:45:19.000 Right.

02:45:19.000 So, you know, with Homer's Iliad, what did they think he was writing about?

02:45:23.000 fictional place i mean that was just that was this i said i think i said 900 years i'm 9,000, right, right.

02:45:29.000 9,000 years, yeah.

02:45:30.000 Which is like, first of all, how do you get 9,000 years of history 2,000 years ago?

02:45:36.000 Like, what are you even getting?

02:45:37.000 Yeah.

02:45:38.000 What, how are these stories, how are they documented?

02:45:44.000 How did they pass them on?

02:45:46.000 Who were the original people?

02:45:47.000 What's the actual version of the story?

02:45:49.000 Which one is more accurate?

02:45:51.000 Epic of Gilgamesh?

02:45:53.000 Noah's Ark?

02:45:54.000 Something seems to exist in almost every ancient civilization.

02:45:59.000 They all have a flood myth.

02:46:02.000 Gilgamesh and Noah's Ark, they're very similar stories.

02:46:06.000 And there are other cultures that have a Noah's Ark story.

02:46:11.000 Yeah, that's my favorite currently.

02:46:14.000 I've seen a ton of videos, and I think Jimmy Corsetti does the best job about the Reichardt structure.

02:46:21.000 But he's all in on it.

02:46:22.000 Yes.

02:46:23.000 And I think, look, it doesn't look natural.

02:46:25.000 No, it doesn't.

02:46:26.000 It doesn't.

02:46:27.000 It looks like exactly, and it's like, what a coincidence that it matches the dimensions of Atlantis as described.

02:46:35.000 And it's in the right place.

02:46:36.000 So, you know, when people argue for Bimini, Bimini being Atlantis, it's like, they didn't know what any of that was, but they knew what North Africa was.

02:46:44.000 Right.

02:46:45.000 And also, it's so close to Egypt.

02:46:48.000 It's so close to what we already know was a super advanced civilization that existed.

02:46:53.000 There's been no excavations of that?

02:46:55.000 I don't believe so.

02:46:57.000 Of the Rayshard structure? 0.98

02:46:58.000 Yeah, I'm reading all about it.

02:46:59.000 What have they done?

02:47:00.000 Like deep?

02:47:01.000 1974 was discovered.

02:47:03.000 They found artifacts.

02:47:05.000 Looking right now, that's what I was about to show you.

02:47:07.000 This isn't a great example, but there's another eye that looks similar to it in the same area.

02:47:16.000 Interesting.

02:47:16.000 And then the comments say that there's even two or three of these.

02:47:19.000 Whoa.

02:47:21.000 And I was reading Stephen Novella's breakdown of Jimmy's video.

02:47:24.000 He says he's leaving out some known facts, like there was a canal that connected each of those circles that isn't apparent in the reshot structure.

02:47:34.000 But those are the things I was just getting at right now.

02:47:38.000 But this looks like canals.

02:47:40.000 Well, that's a different one.

02:47:41.000 This isn't the reshot structure.

02:47:42.000 Show the research structure.

02:47:42.000 Right, right.

02:47:43.000 And the research structure is strange because the coloration is different than the rest of the...

02:47:51.000 Red and black. 0.98

02:47:52.000 Yeah, like that is fucking crazy. 1.00

02:47:55.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:47:56.000 It is.

02:47:57.000 The one guy who found artifacts said there was some stuff like out here on the outer circles, but not very many.

02:48:04.000 Inside.

02:48:05.000 The question is, like, how big was the catastrophe and how much would be left?

02:48:09.000 And what would you actually see? 0.93

02:48:11.000 You know, like, how much was the structure altered by whatever the fuck happened? 0.90

02:48:16.000 So when we talk about ancient advanced civilizations, we're not talking about more advanced than us. 0.91

02:48:16.000 Right. 0.91

02:48:22.000 We just mean advanced.

02:48:23.000 Right.

02:48:24.000 So people will say, well, where's their plastic?

02:48:26.000 Where's their...

02:48:30.000 It doesn't.

02:48:31.000 Combustion engines, all the different things that we've done, electronics.

02:48:35.000 We're just assuming that technology always goes in the exact same path. 0.77

02:48:40.000 Whatever the fuck they were doing, whatever we know they were doing in Egypt was extraordinary in terms of their ability to core the drills. 0.99

02:48:48.000 When they have these cores, high-speed drills that seem to be, if not diamond-tipped, something of a similar vein that allowed them to dig into that fucking granite like that. 0.99

02:49:01.000 2,000 RPMs or whatever. 0.98

02:49:03.000 How could they do that?

02:49:04.000 Yeah.

02:49:04.000 It's all freaky, man.

02:49:07.000 Graham has the best depiction.

02:49:10.000 He said, we are a species with amnesia.

02:49:12.000 That's the perfect way to say it.

02:49:14.000 You know, it's a shame that he's marginalized, but I like that Netflix is stuck by him and keep pumping those out.

02:49:20.000 Well, the facts are the facts.

02:49:21.000 You know, just the structures that he's uncovering, when you're looking at Gunan Padang, when you're looking at all these different places, when you look at, you know, just Machu Picchu, all these different places. 0.94

02:49:31.000 Like, what the fuck was going on?

02:49:34.000 Like, why is this stuff so complex? 0.99

02:49:36.000 Why is it so fascinating?

02:49:38.000 And why aren't we allowed to ask?

02:49:40.000 Why aren't we allowed to investigate it?

02:49:42.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 Remember when his ancient apocalypse season one came out, there was a British newspaper that said Graham Hancock is the most dangerous man in the world. 1.00

02:49:53.000 Those guys are just dumbasses. 0.98

02:49:55.000 Well, they always want to connect it to white supremacy, which is so crazy because Graham Hancock is the furthest from a white supremacist, you know? 1.00

02:50:03.000 He's married to a woman of color.

02:50:05.000 He's like the sweetest, nicest guy.

02:50:08.000 He's a vegan.

02:50:09.000 Of course.

02:50:10.000 He never said they were white folks.

02:50:12.000 No one says that.

02:50:12.000 No.

02:50:13.000 And who cares?

02:50:14.000 I just want to know who they were. 0.72

02:50:15.000 Well, they couldn't be white folks because white folks don't live there.

02:50:19.000 No. 0.81

02:50:19.000 Like if they're Egyptians, they're Africans. 0.81

02:50:21.000 Right.

02:50:22.000 The Africans were the most sophisticated.

02:50:24.000 Civilization that we have ever seen that existed at that point in time.

02:50:29.000 We don't know if they're as sophisticated as we are, but we know they did some stuff back then that we're not capable of today.

02:50:35.000 Yes.

02:50:36.000 And that's real.

02:50:36.000 It is.

02:50:37.000 And we don't know how.

02:50:38.000 We don't know what technology they had.

02:50:40.000 But here's the thing.

02:50:41.000 If it's not from 2500 BC, but it's really from 30,000 BC, what do you think would be left?

02:50:48.000 Like, only maybe the stone.

02:50:50.000 That would be it.

02:50:51.000 That's part of the problem.

02:50:53.000 Steel, any kind of metal, gone.

02:50:55.000 It would only take a hundred years for Manhattan to be covered by vegetation.

02:51:00.000 A thousand years, the skyscrapers would crumble.

02:51:04.000 Ten thousand years, it'd all be washed away. 0.99

02:51:06.000 A hundred thousand years, you're not going to see jack shit. 0.99

02:51:08.000 Nothing. 0.98

02:51:10.000 Who was that British archaeologist that we brought up the other day, Jamie?

02:51:16.000 Where he has this, like, really good point that human beings have been in essentially the same form for the last 300,000 years.

02:51:23.000 Like, it's not outside the realm of possibility that we have achieved very high levels of sophistication multiple times and have been knocked back down to the Stone Age again.

02:51:32.000 Sure.

02:51:32.000 By cataclysmic events.

02:51:34.000 Right.

02:51:34.000 And that makes a lot of sense to me, that it's just part of a cycle.

02:51:37.000 Yeah.

02:51:38.000 You know, the doomsday clock, it's kind of a real thing.

02:51:42.000 Is that you just get to a level of technology where you just are too dangerous for your own good.

02:51:47.000 We're not sophisticated enough for nuclear weapons.

02:51:49.000 We're not smart enough to have those.

02:51:50.000 No.

02:51:51.000 Well, that's the hope is that that's what the aliens are here for.

02:51:54.000 To go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

02:51:56.000 Right.

02:51:56.000 Because they have.

02:51:58.000 Yeah.

02:51:58.000 But then why did they allow just the United States to detonate 60-something bombs?

02:52:04.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:52:05.000 Two of them that caused mass death, right?

02:52:09.000 Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

02:52:11.000 But that's also when the UFOs start showing up in mass, you know?

02:52:16.000 And, you know, I have this comedy club called the Comedy Mothership, and the rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy.

02:52:22.000 Okay.

02:52:22.000 And the reason why is because in UFO folklore, after those bombs were dropped, that's when the mothership started showing up.

02:52:29.000 Right.

02:52:29.000 Yeah.

02:52:30.000 And in some tests, you can see stuff in the sky in the films.

02:52:34.000 I think you can see something at Castle Bravo.

02:52:36.000 It could be wrong, but there are some tests where you can see stuff in the sky.

02:52:40.000 Like, what?

02:52:41.000 What was that for a few frames?

02:52:42.000 Like they were keeping an eye on...

02:52:46.000 That would be nice.

02:52:47.000 Please.

02:52:47.000 That would be nice.

02:52:48.000 Well, listen, AJ, I love your fucking show. 0.99

02:52:51.000 You provided me with hours and hours of entertainment. 0.99

02:52:54.000 It's an awesome program.

02:52:56.000 You do a really good job.

02:52:57.000 It's really well done. 1.00

02:52:58.000 I don't know who's doing it with you and how you produce it, but you guys fucking kill it. 0.99

02:53:03.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

02:53:04.000 Great team.

02:53:04.000 It's a great show.

02:53:05.000 The Y Files, it's available on YouTube.

02:53:08.000 4.73 million subscribers, so I'm not alone.

02:53:12.000 And you guys have only been around for how many years now?

02:53:15.000 2020.

02:53:15.000 That's amazing.

02:53:16.000 Five years and you already have almost five million subscribers.

02:53:19.000 CIA is just backing me up. 1.00

02:53:22.000 It's a great fucking show. 1.00

02:53:23.000 That's what it is. 0.99

02:53:24.000 So I'm glad we finally did this.

02:53:25.000 Appreciate you.

02:53:26.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:53:27.000 And if you ever got anything crazy, you want to break it here, we're ready for you.

02:53:31.000 I've got an episode coming out you want everybody to know about.

02:53:33.000 Come on back.

02:53:34.000 I think we probably do this a hundred times.

02:53:36.000 Thank you, brother.

02:53:37.000 Appreciate you.

02:53:38.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 27, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2327 - AJ Gentile

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