The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2332 - Oz Pearlman

00:00:08.000 Oh, yep.

00:00:15.000 Surreal.

00:00:16.000 Dude, you've only been here for 20 minutes.

00:00:17.000 You already freaked me out.

00:00:19.000 Joe's freaked out.

00:00:21.000 And I'm freaked out by the fact that you're the first guy that's ever come here that ran a marathon before you got here.

00:00:27.000 You know, wanted to clear my mind.

00:00:29.000 It's a big day.

00:00:30.000 How long did it take you to run it?

00:00:32.000 You got to check online.

00:00:33.000 I don't know.

00:00:33.000 I think it was like three hours, 25 minutes, 3.30, something like that.

00:00:36.000 Wow, that's a good time for a kid.

00:00:44.000 I always do phone calls while I'm running.

00:00:45.000 How often do you run?

00:00:47.000 You said you ran 27 miles this morning?

00:00:49.000 I think so.

00:00:49.000 I don't know.

00:00:50.000 I turned around.

00:00:51.000 I got it done.

00:00:52.000 I need to get ready for this shower, but yeah.

00:00:54.000 Is that a normal thing for you to do?

00:00:56.000 Very normal.

00:00:57.000 Wow.

00:00:58.000 That's crazy.

00:00:59.000 That's a lot of distance, man.

00:01:02.000 You know, there was like a sweet spot pre-having as many kids and more family constraints and work and now life is busy, but where I do 20 miles every day.

00:01:10.000 That's crazy.

00:01:11.000 Like, what's the longest you've run?

00:01:13.000 153 miles.

00:01:14.000 Wow.

00:01:15.000 How long did it take you to do that?

00:01:17.000 33 hours.

00:01:18.000 Spartathlon in Greece.

00:01:19.000 Epic.

00:01:20.000 It's in Greece?

00:01:21.000 Oh, it's crazy, man.

00:01:22.000 You run from Athens to Sparta.

00:01:24.000 This race is amazing.

00:01:26.000 You ever seen the movie 300 with Gerard Butler?

00:01:27.000 Sure.

00:01:28.000 So that's the story.

00:01:29.000 A couple of crazy dudes in the 80s decided that they're going to recreate where he ran, Pheidippides, to deliver the message.

00:01:36.000 Because in that movie, you remember, 300 Spartans defended against the Persian masses, and they frame it as the difference between us having civilization and not.

00:01:45.000 Had those 300 guys not died while they assembled an army and he delivered that message to King Leonidas?

00:01:50.000 So when you finish this race, if you finish, it's one of the hardest races in the world.

00:01:54.000 Like there's Badwater, you know Goggins, mutual buddy of ours.

00:01:58.000 But there's races they say are the hardest. 0.99

00:02:00.000 This one kicked my butt. 0.98

00:02:02.000 Is it because of the elevation? 0.99

00:02:03.000 What is it?

00:02:04.000 It's because Europe does not believe in ice, so there's nothing cold for the first 50 miles.

00:02:10.000 You're hot, and then the cutoffs are much stricter.

00:02:14.000 So at 50 miles, you have to be done.

00:02:16.000 You've got to fact check this, but 9 or 10 hours.

00:02:18.000 So you have to finish 153 miles in under 36 hours.

00:02:20.000 You need to be running at all times.

00:02:23.000 You can't walk for two hours and start throwing up.

00:02:26.000 I was puking for eight hours straight the first time I did it.

00:02:29.000 Still.

00:02:30.000 Excuses.

00:02:30.000 This is me just bitching.

00:02:31.000 I should have finished that year.

00:02:32.000 I wasn't mentally tough.

00:02:34.000 But 100% that year, I just didn't have it mentally.

00:02:37.000 And the next year I came back ready to die.

00:02:39.000 I was like, I'm going to finish this race.

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 There was a guy in the middle of the night, I won't kid you, who looked at me and he says to me, there it is.

00:02:46.000 He goes to me with like crazy eyes.

00:02:48.000 And I've already given up in my mind.

00:02:50.000 You know, like, they call it DNFing.

00:02:53.000 Did not finish.

00:02:54.000 Right.

00:02:54.000 In ultras.

00:02:55.000 I already wrote the speech of, like, I'm going to tell my friends I learned from this.

00:02:58.000 You know, all that.

00:02:59.000 All that stuff of, like, I already gave up in my mind.

00:03:02.000 And I saw this guy at my, I don't know, 72, middle of the night, who looks at me with these crazy eyes.

00:03:07.000 I'll never forget his looks.

00:03:08.000 Crazy eyes.

00:03:09.000 like that but 100 times more and goes, He goes, if you can't run, you walk.

00:03:15.000 You can't walk, you crawl.

00:03:17.000 You never, ever.

00:03:18.000 And I was like, yo man, this guy needs to chill out right now because I've already quit in my mind.

00:03:22.000 But I channeled that guy when I came back the next year.

00:03:25.000 I'm going to the hospital and you're not putting IV.

00:03:25.000 And it was that.

00:03:27.000 I'm going to finish this race.

00:03:29.000 And I came back the next year mentally like, there's no way I'm not finishing.

00:03:32.000 Did you do anything different in preparation?

00:03:35.000 Listen, it's all mental.

00:03:38.000 Anyone who tells you otherwise, physical is meaningless at that point.

00:03:41.000 Physical is meaningless in most points, to be honest.

00:03:43.000 There were guys who I saw when I quit.

00:03:46.000 It was, you know, 2 a.m. who were slower than me.

00:03:50.000 They were older than me.

00:03:51.000 Every objective measure, I should have beat them, but they mentally finished.

00:03:59.000 I was crying.

00:04:00.000 I couldn't believe the emotions of this guy finished who was two hours behind me when I quit.

00:04:04.000 And I learned that day it's mental, 100%.

00:04:06.000 The mindset is when you get there, you know if you're finishing at the start.

00:04:10.000 So did it haunt you that you didn't finish?

00:04:12.000 Oh, haunted me every day.

00:04:14.000 Like what you did is really hard, I should have finished.

00:04:14.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:04:19.000 How far did you get?

00:04:20.000 I got halfway.

00:04:22.000 So that's pretty hard.

00:04:23.000 No, I got swept.

00:04:24.000 I quit when it was convenient because I got to an aid station and I'm like, oh, you know, But hold on.

00:04:24.000 Miles?

00:04:32.000 I got to pause because I walked in here and I told you, before we start, I have something for you.

00:04:37.000 Right?

00:04:37.000 Right.

00:04:37.000 People always say, can I read minds?

00:04:39.000 I read people.

00:04:39.000 I can't read minds.

00:04:40.000 Okay.

00:04:41.000 This envelope, if they can't see it and they're listening, your logo sealed.

00:04:45.000 Right.

00:04:45.000 This is your future.

00:04:46.000 My future?

00:04:47.000 This is your future.

00:04:48.000 I'm not psychic.

00:04:49.000 I'm not supernatural.

00:04:49.000 But I assure you, I want you to hold this from now until the end of the episode.

00:04:54.000 Okay.

00:04:54.000 That's when we open it.

00:04:55.000 I don't even know if I want to know my future.

00:04:57.000 This is all good stuff.

00:04:57.000 No, no.

00:04:58.000 Live to 120.

00:05:00.000 Joe's going to be a two-term president. 1.00

00:05:01.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:05:03.000 That's not good. 1.00

00:05:04.000 I don't want that job.

00:05:05.000 You take it before we even start.

00:05:07.000 Okay.

00:05:07.000 And at the end, we open it.

00:05:08.000 So nobody skips this episode.

00:05:10.000 You buckle up for the ending.

00:05:11.000 I'm here.

00:05:12.000 People will just fast forward.

00:05:14.000 They'll miss all the good stuff in the middle.

00:05:14.000 They'll fast forward.

00:05:16.000 The quitters.

00:05:17.000 The people who did not finish Spartathlon.

00:05:22.000 So that's insanely impressive, though, that you run that much.

00:05:25.000 When did you start doing this?

00:05:27.000 My sister ran a marathon.

00:05:29.000 Shout out to my older sister. 1.00

00:05:30.000 And there's a little bit of sibling rivalry.

00:05:32.000 She's eight years older.

00:05:32.000 I have twin sisters.

00:05:33.000 And do you remember when marathoning became like commonplace?

00:05:44.000 She's like, I can't believe you didn't shout me out.

00:05:46.000 Sorry, sweetie.

00:05:47.000 Well played.

00:05:48.000 Well played.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, she's the best.

00:05:51.000 They all are, right?

00:05:52.000 So my sister ran it and every time Do you remember when Oprah ran one?

00:05:58.000 And then everyone's like, I'm running a marathon.

00:05:59.000 I didn't pay attention.

00:06:01.000 Yeah, but there was like a moment where the zeitgeist, everyone started running marathons.

00:06:04.000 This was before that.

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:05.000 I believe you.

00:06:06.000 But I wasn't tuned into that frequency.

00:06:08.000 When my sister said she's running 26.2 miles, if she had told me, this is not that she's not fit.

00:06:13.000 She was like a collegiate D1 athlete, swimmer. 0.55

00:06:16.000 I'm like, if she had said I'm going to the moon, it would have been equal of like, what do you mean you're running a marathon?

00:06:21.000 And so when she did it, I immediately that day signed up for a marathon just to be like, no, screw that.

00:06:26.000 I'm not not doing this.

00:06:28.000 And I was working on Wall Street.

00:06:29.000 I was kind of getting fat and lazy, happy hours.

00:06:32.000 And I go, this is all there is?

00:06:34.000 I'm making money.

00:06:35.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:06:36.000 I'm blessed.

00:06:37.000 But I got to have something that fires me up.

00:06:39.000 That's my instinct.

00:06:40.000 And so I signed up for a marathon.

00:06:42.000 What year was this?

00:06:44.000 2004.

00:06:45.000 Okay.

00:06:46.000 And then I did one, Philly Marathon, you know, the Rocky, the whole thing.

00:06:50.000 And at mile 23, I stop, and I'm like crying.

00:06:54.000 Again, this is a common theme.

00:06:55.000 I've cried like twice in my life.

00:06:56.000 My wife will ask and say, but I was wrecked.

00:06:59.000 I was going to quit.

00:07:00.000 I see two dudes walking, because I'm going decently fast at this point.

00:07:04.000 I've trained terribly.

00:07:06.000 I see two dudes walking about 100 yards ahead of me, and I go, misery loves company.

00:07:10.000 I'm going to walk up.

00:07:11.000 And I'm going to catch them.

00:07:13.000 But they're walking the same speed as me.

00:07:15.000 So I decide, screw it.

00:07:15.000 I'm going to run to them.

00:07:17.000 I run.

00:07:18.000 I get about halfway there.

00:07:19.000 They looked at each other and they started running.

00:07:19.000 Do you know what they do?

00:07:22.000 And I literally screamed at them. 1.00

00:07:23.000 I go, fuck you. 1.00

00:07:24.000 And I got fired up. 1.00

00:07:26.000 And I learned that day anger is a great incentive.

00:07:30.000 It's like something to fire up.

00:07:31.000 And I got so pissed off that my blood pressure, I ran the rest of the race.

00:07:34.000 You know, Goggins takes...

00:07:41.000 Oh, I know David well.

00:07:43.000 I've known David going on like 15 years, man, before Goggins became Goggins.

00:07:47.000 I've seen the whole come up.

00:07:48.000 How'd you meet him?

00:07:49.000 So we train for ultramarathons together.

00:07:51.000 He used to live in New York City.

00:07:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:07:54.000 And we'd go out there and, you know, he's shirtless.

00:07:56.000 And this is before, now, man, he can't go anywhere.

00:07:59.000 He's just, it's like next level.

00:08:00.000 He still runs on the street.

00:08:02.000 He runs, but man, he's like, that's such a fame that's, you know, we've talked about.

00:08:06.000 But it's, he's, I mean, he's inspired countless millions.

00:08:09.000 Oh, for sure.

00:08:10.000 But you see, I don't know what your version is, but like somebody sees me, I just get like, oh, hey, love what you do.

00:08:15.000 That's it.

00:08:16.000 You know, maybe a selfie.

00:08:17.000 That's it. 1.00

00:08:18.000 Occasionally some drunk asshole's like, "Read my mind right now." And I'm like, "All right, buddy, I'll do it. 1.00

00:08:22.000 I'll do it." You know, I don't want to leave somebody behind.

00:08:25.000 But his is, someone comes up and you have to, you changed my life.

00:08:28.000 Like, I didn't kill myself or my brother.

00:08:30.000 Like, that's a religious level fervor.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, no, for sure.

00:08:34.000 I've been around him when I've seen it happen.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, he runs on the street.

00:08:38.000 He was running on the street in Vegas.

00:08:39.000 My wife was in the car.

00:08:41.000 She rolled down the window and yelled out, Stay hard! 0.97

00:08:44.000 Second time he's ever heard that, right?

00:08:46.000 Who's going to carry the boats?

00:08:47.000 That's all he hears.

00:08:48.000 All day long is people yell, Stay hard.

00:08:50.000 Stay hard.

00:08:52.000 The memes that people have put together are just those videos.

00:08:56.000 And he's got a great sense of humor, which people don't realize.

00:08:58.000 He's got a great sense of humor.

00:08:59.000 He's a fun dude.

00:09:00.000 He's a really fun guy, man.

00:09:01.000 Love that guy.

00:09:02.000 Yeah, he's a fun dude.

00:09:03.000 He's just very fucking serious about pushing himself.

00:09:07.000 Did you see the video of him and Israel Adesanya? 0.56

00:09:10.000 Yeah.

00:09:11.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

00:09:12.000 Israel Adesanya is a world-class athlete, world championship fighter.

00:09:15.000 Yeah.

00:09:16.000 Can't keep up with this 50-year-old man.

00:09:18.000 Who was the other one?

00:09:20.000 Was it John Jones?

00:09:21.000 Who was the other one he trained?

00:09:22.000 Tony Ferguson.

00:09:22.000 Tony, Tony.

00:09:23.000 Cardio is through the roof.

00:09:26.000 That guy, five rounds, it's just insane.

00:09:28.000 Never, never gasses out.

00:09:30.000 He might have over-trained.

00:09:32.000 He might have.

00:09:33.000 Goggins ran through the washer right there.

00:09:35.000 It would have been interesting if he got a hold of Tony when Tony was in his prime.

00:09:39.000 He got a hold of Tony when Tony was at the end of his career, essentially.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 Well.

00:09:44.000 I mean, that's always it, right?

00:09:45.000 Judge a fighter at the prime.

00:09:46.000 Well, yeah, absolutely.

00:09:48.000 And with fighters, you know, there's just, especially natural fighters that aren't taking any steroids or anything, when it gets to a certain point in time, the game is over.

00:09:56.000 That's just how it is.

00:09:58.000 Right?

00:09:58.000 Time is undefeated.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, time is undefeated. 1.00

00:10:00.000 But fucking Gargans, almost 50, still out there doing it. 0.99

00:10:05.000 And has been injured so many times. 1.00

00:10:07.000 Not just injured.

00:10:08.000 People need to understand the mental strength.

00:10:10.000 And we've talked about on the podcast where we showed his x-rays.

00:10:13.000 The work that he's had done on his knees.

00:10:13.000 Yep.

00:10:15.000 I mean, it's all insane.

00:10:16.000 It's insane.

00:10:17.000 They do experimental stuff on his knees.

00:10:19.000 His knees are destroyed.

00:10:19.000 Right.

00:10:20.000 I mean, they must be.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, they're destroyed.

00:10:22.000 They're complete bone on bone.

00:10:24.000 And he just keeps running on them.

00:10:27.000 Okay.

00:10:28.000 He cross trains, though.

00:10:29.000 I mean, the dude, like, the pull-up record, his hands.

00:10:32.000 Cam Hainson, right?

00:10:33.000 I just saw that.

00:10:34.000 Man, what a stud that kid is.

00:10:36.000 I've been watching.

00:10:37.000 Chip off the old block.

00:10:38.000 Follow him.

00:10:38.000 He is, I've never met him, That consistency and that putting that together and, yeah, very impressive.

00:10:45.000 I don't know.

00:10:46.000 I've known him since he was a kid, so to me it's fun to watch him become a man and then become this beast.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:10:52.000 Beast.

00:10:53.000 I mean, he did...

00:10:59.000 I think it was more.

00:10:59.000 9,000 was the record.

00:11:00.000 9,000 was the record, and he got to 10,000.

00:11:05.000 So he broke the record first, then some cat in Australia broke the record, beat his record, and then he just demolished that guy's record.

00:11:12.000 And then I saw his thing, which was a flex, which reminded me of something I did, which was one of the highlight moments of my running career, which is, he goes, I got another personal best in the same week at a marathon.

00:11:22.000 So I one time did two marathons a week apart, like six days apart.

00:11:26.000 I did a New Jersey marathon.

00:11:27.000 I won it.

00:11:28.000 And then the next week I did a Long Island marathon, and I got clipped by some college runner who beat me in the last quarter of a mile. 0.99

00:11:35.000 Damn, you won a marathon? 0.97

00:11:36.000 I won that one four times in a row, yeah. 1.00

00:11:38.000 That's insane.

00:11:39.000 What's the time?

00:11:40.000 My fast time's at 2.23. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Two hours and 23 minutes for a fucking marathon? 0.98

00:11:45.000 Yeah, I love Goggins, but every race we've run against each other, I beat him. 1.00

00:11:49.000 Well, you have two knees.

00:11:52.000 That's insane.

00:11:53.000 That's world class, man.

00:11:55.000 I mean, it's like a fast for a weekend warrior.

00:11:58.000 Two hours and 23 minutes?

00:12:00.000 One year at the New York City Marathon.

00:12:02.000 I want to remember this.

00:12:03.000 I got 30th place, but at my shows, I tell people I was the fastest Jew.

00:12:07.000 That's all that mattered.

00:12:08.000 That's all in fastest Jew. 1.00

00:12:09.000 All that mattered.

00:12:11.000 That's super impressive that you win marathons.

00:12:14.000 Well, I won that one, and then six days later, six or seven, I did this other one, and I got beat by this kid who was like 22. I don't care how old I was, 30s.

00:12:21.000 And he beat me, and he fell and collapsed at the finish.

00:12:24.000 And I'm like, again, I'm pretty fresh.

00:12:26.000 And he goes, oh my god, man.

00:12:27.000 He goes, is that your personal best?

00:12:29.000 And I'll never forget looking in his eyes.

00:12:31.000 And this guy's wrecked.

00:12:32.000 And I go, bro, that's not my personal best this week.

00:12:35.000 And it was just the most fulfilling thing to say for not having won.

00:12:39.000 But I'd run literally a week earlier faster.

00:12:41.000 So that was a great moment.

00:12:43.000 Yeah, but he beat you.

00:12:44.000 True.

00:12:44.000 He did beat me.

00:12:45.000 First loser.

00:12:46.000 That's a weird flex. 0.83

00:12:46.000 Yeah. 0.83

00:12:47.000 That's a weird flex.

00:12:48.000 So you were a stockbroker?

00:12:50.000 I wasn't technically a stockbroker.

00:12:52.000 I worked on Wall Street, but I did tech.

00:12:54.000 So I went to school for electrical engineering and then worked like, I don't know, the tech guys who supported the iBankers.

00:12:54.000 What did you do on Wall Street?

00:13:00.000 Okay.

00:13:01.000 And then how did you get involved in this mentalist thing?

00:13:04.000 This mentalist thing, right? 0.55

00:13:05.000 What a weird thing.

00:13:06.000 So when I was a teenager, I started doing magic tricks.

00:13:09.000 So I saw a guy on a cruise ship and I'd never seen really a magician.

00:13:13.000 I wasn't into it, didn't know about it, didn't have a kid's party magician when I was a kid.

00:13:16.000 And I was obsessed.

00:13:18.000 Literally, I was on a cruise.

00:13:19.000 I followed this guy around.

00:13:21.000 The cruise ship.

00:13:22.000 It was a little bit stalker-esque.

00:13:23.000 And there's not that many places to hide if you're a grown man.

00:13:26.000 So I was finding this guy everywhere to just see more tricks.

00:13:29.000 And I got back home and I bought every book I could at Borders.

00:13:33.000 I went to the library.

00:13:34.000 I was obsessive.

00:13:35.000 I'm kind of those types of people who I don't do anything.

00:13:38.000 80%, 90%, given the running today, it's like 120%.

00:13:42.000 And that was the thing for about, I don't know, 20 years.

00:13:42.000 Wow.

00:13:45.000 It was more I was doing magic.

00:13:46.000 I was always doing magic on the side.

00:13:48.000 I paid for college doing magic.

00:13:49.000 Really?

00:13:50.000 Run a couple businesses, yeah.

00:13:51.000 What did you do?

00:13:52.000 Like, do shows?

00:13:53.000 So I graduated high school when I was 16. I skipped a grade, all this, and then my folks got divorced, long story, and they moved back to Israel.

00:14:01.000 I was born in Israel, so separately moved back to Israel, so I was a bit of a, I guess, Like, I had nobody supporting me.

00:14:07.000 So when I went to college, I turned 17, I had to pay all the bills.

00:14:11.000 Yeah.

00:14:11.000 Whoa.

00:14:11.000 So I was doing magic at restaurants.

00:14:14.000 I've been doing magic at restaurants for, like, 30 years.

00:14:16.000 And that's where I learned how to read people.

00:14:18.000 Just how to go up to a table of people who are like, who's this twerp?

00:14:22.000 Like, who's this nerdy kid with braces?

00:14:23.000 Like, what are you doing here? 0.63

00:14:24.000 Get out of here.

00:14:25.000 And how do you win them over quickly?

00:14:27.000 And that's honestly the biggest skill, is how do you, in sales, read people effectively?

00:14:32.000 Right?

00:14:33.000 That's what I'm selling.

00:14:34.000 I'm selling the thought of reading your mind.

00:14:36.000 Now, did you learn the techniques from books?

00:14:39.000 Did you take classes?

00:14:40.000 No classes.

00:14:41.000 Books and videos.

00:14:42.000 Did magic.

00:14:43.000 And so mentalism is kind of a field.

00:14:47.000 Like, you had David Blaine in here, right?

00:14:49.000 Legend.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 And growing up, like, icon.

00:14:52.000 So magic tricks are different.

00:14:55.000 because magic is there's slight of hand, right?

00:14:58.000 So you're deceiving your eye by making you look Okay.

00:15:11.000 Stand-up comedy, the most pure art form, right?

00:15:14.000 You and a mic, that's it.

00:15:15.000 Mine is the closest.

00:15:16.000 Magic, you have props.

00:15:18.000 Mentalism, there's no props.

00:15:19.000 Like I don't need you to pick a card anymore.

00:15:21.000 I don't need it.

00:15:22.000 Right.

00:15:22.000 I can just tell you, think of a card and that's where I go with it.

00:15:25.000 So now you start knowing how people think and you in essence reverse engineer the human mind.

00:15:30.000 It's kind of like magic.

00:15:31.000 Of the mind.

00:15:32.000 And so that's where it kind of went from magic and I kept doing more of the mentalism, more of it.

00:15:37.000 But mentalism has a very steep learning curve.

00:15:39.000 If you go to an open mic and you suck, how many people get to the level of getting better, getting better, putting in the work, takes 10 years to be funny for most people, right?

00:15:49.000 There's a couple of phenoms, but that's a different story. 0.98

00:15:51.000 So most mentalists, they drop off because I'm just going to go back to magic tricks.

00:15:56.000 This works every time.

00:15:58.000 Hmm.

00:15:59.000 So it's more difficult to learn.

00:16:01.000 Way more difficult.

00:16:02.000 Is it sheltered?

00:16:03.000 Like, is the material on it difficult to find?

00:16:06.000 I think it's more that people don't have the thick skin.

00:16:09.000 Like, the same way you said the quitting mentality where I came back the year later, most people won't improve because you can't practice mentalism in front of a mirror.

00:16:17.000 You can practice magic.

00:16:18.000 So when I do the trick on you and it's a card trick, no offense to magic, it's great, but what we're talking about is a much higher level.

00:16:24.000 I can't get it right.

00:16:26.000 And the first few times you do it, the first hundred times, you eat...

00:16:33.000 Oh.

00:16:34.000 Watch, watch.

00:16:34.000 Let's try something fun.

00:16:35.000 Okay.

00:16:36.000 Okay?

00:16:36.000 How about this?

00:16:38.000 If I were to ask you, how long have you been married?

00:16:42.000 16 years?

00:16:43.000 Okay, nailed that question.

00:16:44.000 Well played.

00:16:45.000 Thank you.

00:16:45.000 Your sister's happy, your wife's happy.

00:16:47.000 If I asked you, would your wife know your social security number?

00:16:50.000 No.

00:16:51.000 She doesn't know it?

00:16:52.000 No.

00:16:52.000 So, is there any way in the world I could know your social security number?

00:16:55.000 I don't think so.

00:16:56.000 Right?

00:16:56.000 You say I'm a stalker.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, you could get the information.

00:16:57.000 Who knows?

00:16:59.000 Maybe.

00:17:00.000 Online.

00:17:00.000 Agreed.

00:17:01.000 I'm skeptical.

00:17:01.000 Agreed.

00:17:02.000 You're skeptical.

00:17:03.000 Especially someone famous.

00:17:05.000 Yeah.

00:17:05.000 Fully.

00:17:05.000 Plus, you can't change that.

00:17:06.000 So, I'm not going to do that to you.

00:17:07.000 Data dumps.

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 If I told you right now to make up a random number, I'd say, get out your calculator.

00:17:13.000 And you add it up and you do a random number.

00:17:13.000 I'd love that.

00:17:16.000 You know, screw calculator.

00:17:17.000 I want it to be spontaneous.

00:17:18.000 Would your wife know your ATM pin code?

00:17:20.000 No?

00:17:20.000 No.

00:17:21.000 Lie to me.

00:17:22.000 Do not tell me your real ATM pin code.

00:17:24.000 Okay.

00:17:25.000 Obviously, unless you want to.

00:17:27.000 Make up a fake four-digit number off the top of your head.

00:17:30.000 What feels to you utterly spontaneous.

00:17:32.000 When I say go, one, two, three, four-digit code, random, go.

00:17:37.000 Okay.

00:17:37.000 Say it.

00:17:38.000 2020.

00:17:39.000 2020, okay.

00:17:40.000 So you ask me, how do I do what I do?

00:17:42.000 I'm going to write down 2020.

00:17:44.000 Okay.

00:17:48.000 It's weird, but statistically, men will lie bigger, women smaller.

00:17:53.000 Men like to lie by saying things are bigger, right? 0.99

00:17:54.000 No shocker.

00:17:55.000 So I don't think, I would tell you right off the jump for me, that that means that your first number, you don't have to say anything yet, Iowa 2020, is smaller.

00:18:04.000 That's what most people do when they're rushed.

00:18:05.000 If I had given you five minutes, you would have done this different.

00:18:07.000 No, I wouldn't have.

00:18:08.000 No, you would have.

00:18:09.000 Why would I have?

00:18:10.000 Because you would have thought about it, and then people go down a different path.

00:18:13.000 Nope.

00:18:14.000 Nope?

00:18:14.000 Nope.

00:18:14.000 Okay, worked out for me either way.

00:18:16.000 You'll be honest if I'm right.

00:18:18.000 Okay.

00:18:20.000 I got a hit, which means it's a zero or a one.

00:18:22.000 I think the first number of your code is a one, isn't it?

00:18:24.000 Your real pin code.

00:18:27.000 My ATM pin code?

00:18:29.000 Why would I tell you that on the air?

00:18:29.000 ATM pin code.

00:18:31.000 Should I only show this to you?

00:18:33.000 Sure.

00:18:34.000 Only show it to you?

00:18:35.000 Yeah.

00:18:35.000 Can we acquiesce that the first number I got was correct?

00:18:37.000 Yes.

00:18:38.000 Okay.

00:18:39.000 Now, you did repetition.

00:18:41.000 I like the fact when people always say to me it's fake when they watch the videos.

00:18:45.000 They're like, you must have said up, Joe doesn't even want this to happen right now.

00:18:48.000 He had no idea this was going to happen.

00:18:49.000 You used two numbers in repeats.

00:18:51.000 What that means is you probably did the same thing.

00:18:53.000 You also didn't use any of the same numbers.

00:18:54.000 I know there's not a two or zero or two in it.

00:18:56.000 I don't think so either.

00:18:59.000 And I'm watching you while I say it.

00:19:00.000 You put the hand up.

00:19:01.000 You might as well have said yes to me out loud.

00:19:02.000 So now I know.

00:19:03.000 Think of the second number, third number, fourth number.

00:19:07.000 Every time you did it, it's a data point.

00:19:10.000 Okay.

00:19:13.000 I'm only going to ask you one more question.

00:19:14.000 I'm not looking for answers.

00:19:15.000 The last number is the biggest, isn't it?

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:19.000 I'm showing this to you.

00:19:21.000 Is there a camera behind me?

00:19:22.000 I don't want to make sure.

00:19:23.000 I'm only going to show it to you.

00:19:26.000 It's not 2020.

00:19:28.000 How'd I do, Joe?

00:19:28.000 Is that your ATM pin code?

00:19:30.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 That's weird.

00:19:37.000 I'm skeptical because I've got that pin code in the mail.

00:19:41.000 You know?

00:19:42.000 He's calling his bank right now and being like, yo, do you know this?

00:19:45.000 Has this guy been playing the long game?

00:19:46.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

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00:20:57.000 Have you ever done that to people and then withdrawed money?

00:21:00.000 No comment.

00:21:03.000 I'm trying to avoid criminal...

00:21:07.000 That is, you went 2020.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, that was correct.

00:21:10.000 Your wife of 16 years doesn't know it.

00:21:12.000 It's 2020 not...

00:21:12.000 Now I do.

00:21:14.000 It's just because that's the year I moved here.

00:21:15.000 It wasn't like...

00:21:18.000 No, that's 100% the case.

00:21:20.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:21:22.000 What do you mean, you know I think that's the case?

00:21:25.000 You said a four-digit number, and I was like, oh, the date I moved here.

00:21:28.000 Right.

00:21:29.000 2020, perfect.

00:21:31.000 I hear you.

00:21:32.000 You don't believe me?

00:21:33.000 It's not that I don't believe you.

00:21:35.000 It's that we got layers.

00:21:37.000 So, like, we're peeling through, and I know why you think you picked it, and I know that you think you gave me no information, but I'm telling you that good luck finding out how in the world could I have found out your ATM pin code.

00:21:47.000 You said nobody knows this.

00:21:49.000 That informed what I did.

00:21:51.000 So, had you thought of a different number of your Social Security, you wouldn't have said 2020.

00:21:54.000 But that ATM pin code is one that was assigned to me by the bank, and I never changed it.

00:21:59.000 Right.

00:22:00.000 So, I didn't pick it.

00:22:01.000 That's even better, isn't it?

00:22:03.000 Had you picked it, I could have looked this up.

00:22:05.000 That's actually, to me, more of a gold standard. 0.98

00:22:07.000 No, because you could get it from the bank, because the bank is the one that fucking sent it to me. 0.76

00:22:11.000 I guess, man, if I have broken into your bank account, there are bigger things at play than this podcast, I feel. 0.87

00:22:18.000 I don't keep a lot of money in that account.

00:22:20.000 Watch this.

00:22:21.000 How many UFC fights do you think you've seen in person or commentated?

00:22:26.000 Boy, I don't even know.

00:22:28.000 I really don't know.

00:22:30.000 What UFC number are we on?

00:22:31.000 UFC 2000.

00:22:33.000 what is it?

00:22:40.000 What is it at now?

00:22:42.000 235 is the next one?

00:22:43.000 But each fight has an undercard.

00:22:45.000 You've got the title fight.

00:22:46.000 Sometimes as many as 15 fights.

00:22:48.000 or as few...

00:22:51.000 What is it?

00:22:52.000 316.

00:22:54.000 UFC 316 is now?

00:22:55.000 One coming up on June 7th.

00:22:56.000 What did I say?

00:22:57.000 Two?

00:22:57.000 Yeah, I was thinking twos for a second.

00:22:59.000 Didn't we have 300 already?

00:23:00.000 Oh, you know what I'm thinking?

00:23:01.000 I'm confusing podcast numbers.

00:23:03.000 We're in the 2000s.

00:23:04.000 You're a lot of podcasts.

00:23:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:05.000 UFC, yeah.

00:23:06.000 So it's UFC 3 what?

00:23:08.000 316.

00:23:09.000 With 10 fights per fight.

00:23:09.000 316.

00:23:20.000 And just as a post-fight interviewer in '97.

00:23:23.000 So '97, I did it for two years, not as many shows.

00:23:27.000 And then from 2001, I used to do 20 a year.

00:23:34.000 I used to do a lot.

00:23:35.000 I was doing most of them.

00:23:37.000 I would say thousands of fights.

00:23:40.000 Thousands, right?

00:23:40.000 Probably.

00:23:41.000 Watch this because I love that.

00:23:43.000 I like the way you think and I like that you're skeptical.

00:23:45.000 I'm a huge skeptic.

00:23:46.000 I'm always the one calling BS on this.

00:23:49.000 That's how I started doing it.

00:23:51.000 If you think through all your fights and you go back in time, and they need to know, this is spontaneous.

00:23:55.000 This is impulsive.

00:23:56.000 You have not thought of this before this moment, have you?

00:23:58.000 Right.

00:23:59.000 I want you to stop and start thinking of different fighters, past or present.

00:24:05.000 Could be somebody huge.

00:24:06.000 Could be a legendary figure.

00:24:07.000 Could be somebody more under the radar.

00:24:09.000 Okay.

00:24:10.000 Maybe you've had them on the podcast.

00:24:11.000 Maybe you haven't.

00:24:12.000 Watch.

00:24:13.000 Make sure you think I'm not guiding you.

00:24:14.000 The same way you said 2020, I said that, I would have said that no matter what.

00:24:18.000 Let someone jump into your mind right now that you've definitely seen one of his, I guess, or her fights.

00:24:25.000 Okay.

00:24:26.000 I'm not guessing it.

00:24:26.000 Bam.

00:24:27.000 Tell us.

00:24:27.000 I don't care.

00:24:28.000 Was it a specific fight you saw this person in or are you just seeing the fighter?

00:24:32.000 Just seeing the fighter.

00:24:33.000 Go to a specific fight of that person.

00:24:33.000 No, no.

00:24:35.000 Try to like contextualize it.

00:24:45.000 Or change to a different fighter right now if you feel like you need to.

00:24:48.000 Maybe.

00:24:49.000 Let me think.

00:24:50.000 Let me think.

00:24:51.000 Joe's not going to want to change.

00:24:52.000 And now that I said that, Yeah, get crafty.

00:24:56.000 I'm trying to move along here.

00:24:57.000 Are you going to come up with the name of the name?

00:24:59.000 I'm not coming up with anything.

00:25:00.000 I want to see how your mind worked.

00:25:02.000 I'm only doing this because you told me I would have said 2020 no matter what.

00:25:07.000 You think that you had the thought regardless of what I did.

00:25:10.000 And I want you to see that there's causality.

00:25:12.000 Do it now.

00:25:12.000 Boom.

00:25:13.000 Who just came into your head?

00:25:14.000 Okay.

00:25:14.000 Tell us.

00:25:15.000 I'm not guessing.

00:25:15.000 Anderson Silva.

00:25:16.000 Anderson Silva.

00:25:17.000 Legendary, right?

00:25:18.000 Yes.

00:25:18.000 Did he win or lose that fight?

00:25:19.000 He won.

00:25:20.000 He won that fight?

00:25:21.000 Yes.

00:25:22.000 How many people did you go to?

00:25:23.000 It's so funny you said Anderson Silva.

00:25:25.000 Legendary guy.

00:25:26.000 How many people did you think of before you landed on him?

00:25:28.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:25:30.000 I would scroll the Rolodex.

00:25:32.000 They just all went flying through my mind.

00:25:34.000 Just give me a guess.

00:25:35.000 How many times?

00:25:36.000 Dozens?

00:25:36.000 Dozens.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, they just all went flying through my head.

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 Dozens?

00:25:40.000 If you had to put a number on it.

00:25:42.000 And you actually count them.

00:25:43.000 How many do you think you went through?

00:25:44.000 Guess.

00:25:47.000 I mean, let's be conservative and say like 14. Let's not even say dozens.

00:25:51.000 He was the 14th fighter that popped in your head.

00:25:54.000 He was in there.

00:25:54.000 No, no.

00:25:55.000 He was in the mix.

00:25:56.000 He was in the mix.

00:25:57.000 I was just trying to figure out which one to pick.

00:25:58.000 I was going to get one with a crafty Russian name.

00:26:00.000 Should've.

00:26:03.000 It's one of those Chechens. 1.00

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:05.000 Alright, no. 14 people went through your head.

00:26:07.000 Anderson Silva.

00:26:08.000 Do you think...

00:26:19.000 Do you think there's any way that that could have happened?

00:26:20.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:26:21.000 You don't, right?

00:26:22.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:26:23.000 I've just been a huge fan of his forever.

00:26:26.000 I don't think something popped up that made me think about him.

00:26:29.000 All right.

00:26:29.000 I'm just curious.

00:26:30.000 Okay.

00:26:31.000 No trick.

00:26:32.000 I'm just curious why that happened.

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:35.000 Where do we go from here?

00:26:36.000 Where are you going with this?

00:26:38.000 I don't know where I'm going.

00:26:39.000 You don't know?

00:26:40.000 I do.

00:26:41.000 Okay.

00:26:41.000 But I'm not telling you yet.

00:26:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:26:46.000 No, Joe's flummoxed.

00:26:47.000 He's like, where do we go?

00:26:48.000 No, I mean, like, I don't know why you asked me the question if you don't have a resolution.

00:26:52.000 Oh, I'm not guessing it.

00:26:53.000 I wanted to see where you thought of why it came to your mind.

00:26:55.000 There'll be a reason.

00:26:56.000 I don't want to explain it yet, but you'll see.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 Okay.

00:26:59.000 There'll be a reason why it came into my mind?

00:27:01.000 I think so.

00:27:01.000 I think there is, yeah.

00:27:02.000 What's the reason?

00:27:03.000 Well, I don't want to tell you yet.

00:27:04.000 I'm selling the sizzle, not the steak.

00:27:09.000 So, these techniques that you use, are these ones that you've invented?

00:27:14.000 A lot of them.

00:27:15.000 A lot of them.

00:27:16.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 And how did you invent them?

00:27:18.000 How did they come to you?

00:27:19.000 I think my favorite form of entertainment by far is stand-up comedy.

00:27:24.000 Like, straight up, I'm a fanboy of comedians.

00:27:26.000 Like, not the people that do what I do.

00:27:28.000 Because that's, I just love watching how you can take any premise and stuff that's not funny, right?

00:27:34.000 The people that really go, you know, like Andrew Schultz.

00:27:38.000 Life, did you watch his?

00:27:39.000 I haven't seen it yet.

00:27:40.000 You haven't seen it?

00:27:41.000 No.

00:27:41.000 So how do you take infertility, right?

00:27:43.000 And just it's not really a very funny subject and make it incredible.

00:27:47.000 He's amazing.

00:27:48.000 He's so good.

00:27:49.000 So good.

00:27:50.000 And so I like the fact that how you invent that.

00:27:52.000 So I design with an end in sight.

00:27:55.000 I say, what do I want people to remember about what I do?

00:27:59.000 Because I'm not really in the business of fooling you, honestly, and like entertaining you.

00:28:04.000 All of those are side effects.

00:28:05.000 What do I think I do for a living?

00:28:07.000 I create memorable moments, which is very definable because if you go see a movie, let's see a popcorn flick.

00:28:13.000 You walk out of the movie theater, 10 minutes like, what happened in the movie?

00:28:17.000 I don't know.

00:28:18.000 It was fun.

00:28:18.000 I don't know.

00:28:19.000 That to me is 100% like the death of my show.

00:28:23.000 You leave and you will remember things, hopefully for years to come.

00:28:28.000 And that's because I can rework your memory.

00:28:31.000 That's really a lot of the techniques I do.

00:28:33.000 People think that your memory is infallible.

00:28:35.000 That what you see is some sort of blueprint, like a video.

00:28:38.000 And it's not.

00:28:39.000 It has to do with how you feel in the moment, the emotions, the things you can position, the same way hypnosis works.

00:28:44.000 So I can kind of engineer memories in a certain way, the way people remember things, the way they think, and create those moments that people talk about hopefully for years.

00:28:52.000 And that's what's been, you know, I guess that's what's been the driver of my business and what's helped lead to my success.

00:28:58.000 Engineering memories.

00:28:59.000 And when you first started getting into mentalism, is that the word to use for it?

00:29:03.000 Mentalism?

00:29:04.000 Yeah.

00:29:04.000 You're a mentalist, but do you call it mentalism?

00:29:06.000 I guess mentalism.

00:29:07.000 Did you know that?

00:29:09.000 Or is it something that...

00:29:11.000 You know what?

00:29:12.000 I learned certain things, and I observed them, and I didn't understand why they happened.

00:29:15.000 You ever have that?

00:29:16.000 You ever have a moment in a set where you say something that you didn't think was funny, but got a huge laugh?

00:29:20.000 Do you have that, or do you always know?

00:29:22.000 Because it's usually not the punch.

00:29:24.000 It's like, I didn't know that would be funny right then.

00:29:26.000 Oftentimes with a new bit, you don't exactly know where it's funny.

00:29:30.000 Where the beats are, what was the word I said in this way, what was that inflection point?

00:29:33.000 So when I was doing restaurants, I had this trick where I would have somebody pick a card out of a deck of cards.

00:29:39.000 Right?

00:29:40.000 They would put the card back in the deck.

00:29:41.000 They'd sign it with their name.

00:29:42.000 And I used to do this at a bunch of restaurants.

00:29:44.000 They would shuffle up the deck.

00:29:46.000 I'd give them a rubber band.

00:29:46.000 I'd say, rubber band that bad boy.

00:29:48.000 And I would take the deck, and I would throw it at the ceiling.

00:29:50.000 It's kind of a famous trick.

00:29:52.000 And then, boom, the ceilings were really high at all the restaurants I worked at, so nobody could peel them.

00:29:56.000 Their card would just stay stuck to the ceiling.

00:29:58.000 And this was great for multiple ways.

00:30:00.000 One, everybody talks about it.

00:30:01.000 And they're like, "Dude, this guy stuck my card to the ceiling!

00:30:03.000 How the hell did he do that?" They would also bring people back to the restaurant.

00:30:06.000 You write cha-ching, cha-ching.

00:30:07.000 The managers loved me because we'd bring more people back.

00:30:10.000 To see it and point at where their card was, right?

00:30:13.000 Business 101.

00:30:14.000 And so I create a great value proposition to the manager.

00:30:17.000 Why am I there?

00:30:17.000 I'm getting you guys more customers.

00:30:19.000 But one time, I'm listening to people that came back in, and they're talking about the trick.

00:30:25.000 And they go, yo, man, I picked a card.

00:30:27.000 I put it back in the deck, and I shuffled it up.

00:30:30.000 And next thing I know, I look at the ceiling, and my card's on the ceiling.

00:30:32.000 And I'm like, yo, that's not what happened.

00:30:34.000 I threw the deck up.

00:30:36.000 The deck fell down, and then the card was on the ceiling.

00:30:39.000 So I go, why did that guy misremember it?

00:30:41.000 Maybe he's just drunk, maybe whatever, but I'm trying to understand, why did he have a different memory of the same event?

00:30:48.000 And what I realized is that people observe what you have them focus on.

00:30:53.000 Tony Robbins has a great bit where he goes, right now, close your eyes, tell me everything that's green in this room.

00:30:57.000 And you're like, green?

00:30:59.000 But then when you open your eyes, I see that the UFO lights are green, instantly.

00:31:03.000 But I say, close your eyes again, what's purple in this room?

00:31:06.000 I'm like, I didn't look for purple.

00:31:07.000 You find what you're looking for.

00:31:09.000 So if I didn't say, it took me a while to iterate and figure it out, but if I don't look up when I throw the cards, when I would throw the cards up and let them fall back down on my hand and not look up, the percentage would go 80, 90% that afterwards people, when they told the story...

00:31:26.000 They clipped out the part of me throwing the deck.

00:31:28.000 And now it becomes a miracle.

00:31:30.000 How the hell is that card on the ceiling stuck?

00:31:32.000 You mean you shuffled it?

00:31:33.000 It's on the ceiling?

00:31:33.000 It was signed?

00:31:34.000 That went from being a good trick to a miracle.

00:31:36.000 And I kind of learned that at about age 15. And I started to realize, how do I do that with everything I do?

00:31:41.000 Because that's a life hack for everything you do.

00:31:44.000 That's not magic.

00:31:45.000 That's life.

00:31:46.000 How do you get people to remember what you want and forget the things you don't want?

00:31:52.000 That's how you achieve success.

00:31:52.000 Wow.

00:31:54.000 Start to highlight your strengths.

00:31:57.000 You find ways, and that's a learnable skill.

00:32:00.000 That's not something for magic.

00:32:01.000 That's something in all of life.

00:32:02.000 And what is it like when you're thinking this, when you're thinking I'm going to get people to remember something, how are you doing this?

00:32:09.000 like what's your intention when you're trying to devise like what to what to do well I guess I guess my intention why at the end of the day I'm a I want to be the best in the world at what I do.

00:32:18.000 Like, I'm driven by that.

00:32:19.000 It's like Olympic gold medalist.

00:32:21.000 Like, I want to do the best things possible.

00:32:23.000 Most people don't know what a mentalist is.

00:32:25.000 You go on the street, 100 people, how many people are going to say yeah?

00:32:27.000 I have a second ATM card.

00:32:31.000 Leave that for the end, huh?

00:32:32.000 You want to try it again?

00:32:33.000 Not yet.

00:32:34.000 I don't like to do the same thing.

00:32:35.000 I want to see it again, though.

00:32:35.000 I got to do better stuff.

00:32:37.000 I want to see if you can do it again.

00:32:38.000 All right, before we go, how about that?

00:32:39.000 Not right now.

00:32:40.000 We're in flow.

00:32:42.000 Okay, okay.

00:32:43.000 I'm trying to throw you off.

00:32:45.000 You could.

00:32:46.000 Listen, I don't get it right every time.

00:32:47.000 That's the other part.

00:32:48.000 A magic trick works every time.

00:32:49.000 This doesn't.

00:32:50.000 I've eaten it on live national TV.

00:32:53.000 Really?

00:32:54.000 With millions of people watching.

00:32:54.000 Yeah, man, there's no safety net.

00:32:56.000 Like, it's not a trick.

00:32:57.000 There's not a card trick where you put it and I find it.

00:32:59.000 There's not like that.

00:33:00.000 So how are you doing it?

00:33:01.000 Well, I mean, I'm telling you, I don't read minds.

00:33:03.000 I read people.

00:33:04.000 I've got a whole host of different skills, algorithms, you name it, like misdirection.

00:33:09.000 It's all a wheelhouse of skills that I'm using to create the impression that I can read your mind.

00:33:14.000 But this has got to be a weird thing to know how to do.

00:33:18.000 Weird like in a bad way or a good way?

00:33:21.000 Definitely a good way.

00:33:22.000 But weird to like you have like an extra frequency.

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 That you're tuning into with humans.

00:33:26.000 I agree.

00:33:28.000 Like you're experiencing life in a different way because you're experiencing life through this understanding of like thought patterns.

00:33:35.000 You know what the best way?

00:33:37.000 Do you remember in Born Identity?

00:33:39.000 The first scene, like one of the scenes where he loses memory and he walks in the restaurant.

00:33:43.000 You remember that scene?

00:33:44.000 And he's sitting at a diner.

00:33:44.000 Do you remember that one?

00:33:45.000 I don't.

00:33:46.000 He sits there and he turns and he goes, he doesn't remember who he is.

00:33:49.000 And he goes, why do I know?

00:33:51.000 And I'm going to massacre this quote.

00:33:52.000 But why do I know that that guy's 250, can handle himself in a fight?

00:33:55.000 Why do I know this?

00:33:56.000 Why do I know that right now I could run for two and a half miles before my core temperature goes down to this?

00:34:01.000 It's like this amazing superhero spy moment of like, how the hell does he know all that stuff?

00:34:05.000 So he's observing life.

00:34:07.000 At a much more hyper-focused level than most people are.

00:34:12.000 Most people are dialed in at autopilot.

00:34:15.000 If you could set a speaker to autopilot and here's what you're observing.

00:34:19.000 I don't do it in my day-to-day life.

00:34:21.000 It requires focus.

00:34:22.000 It's not the same.

00:34:23.000 It's kind of like, I guess, I don't know.

00:34:25.000 I don't lift weights.

00:34:25.000 I just run.

00:34:26.000 But how much focus is required to try to do, you know, the largest bench press you've ever done.

00:34:31.000 I assume that you have to get psyched up.

00:34:32.000 You have to focus.

00:34:33.000 You have to do everything right for that to work.

00:34:35.000 It's just an analogy.

00:34:36.000 For me, when I'm performing, you asked me why did I run 27 miles this morning?

00:34:39.000 That dials in my mind.

00:34:41.000 Like, I'm focused where I thought through everything I'm going to do today.

00:34:45.000 It's a laser focus.

00:34:47.000 That got me kind of in tune.

00:34:49.000 I could also have not run, but I'm also away from home, so that was like my joy.

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00:36:33.000 Um, so So, when you're, like, putting together a show, when you're going to do a show, how do you structure it?

00:36:42.000 Like, how do you, like, day one, you're like, okay, I'm getting ready to do a show.

00:36:46.000 You mean something on TV or, like, what I do for a living, like events?

00:36:49.000 Or either one.

00:36:50.000 Any kind of show you're doing.

00:36:52.000 So for my day-to-day living, which is I do a lot of really big corporate events, and then I do, I guess, a lot of private parties, things of that sort, performances, like live performances.

00:37:02.000 Typically, I structure it the same way I think anybody would.

00:37:05.000 I want to go out the gate very strong.

00:37:07.000 I want to very instantly establish credibility.

00:37:10.000 Who am I?

00:37:11.000 What do I do?

00:37:12.000 Am I any good at it?

00:37:14.000 And why should you be paying attention to me?

00:37:16.000 Because all those questions off the jump is like, who the hell cares?

00:37:18.000 I always go into it with, who cares what you can do?

00:37:20.000 You're special.

00:37:21.000 I don't care.

00:37:22.000 I like the thought of, I'm going to prove to you that this is something incredible and that it's something you're interested in emotionally.

00:37:28.000 Right?

00:37:29.000 If I told you to just make a random number up, who cares? 0.98

00:37:31.000 But now it's going to haunt you that that's your freaking ATM pin code. 0.95

00:37:34.000 So I prefer that. 0.83

00:37:35.000 So I do something very quick that freaks you out.

00:37:38.000 And then every single thing needs to have a very clear premise.

00:37:42.000 Like, I call it clarity of effect.

00:37:45.000 I don't like a trick where I'm like, get a book, get a Rubik's Cube.

00:37:48.000 It's too confusing.

00:37:49.000 You need to be able to explain to a six-year-old what I did in one sentence for it to be memorable.

00:37:55.000 That's the key.

00:37:56.000 The best things you've ever seen are typically stuff you can describe in one max two sentences.

00:38:04.000 And for TV, it's the same exact thing, but I always like to do new stuff.

00:38:08.000 So I've done a lot of TV appearances, and I always structure it based on who's watching.

00:38:14.000 So rather than it being about me, and me saying, oh, look what I can do, and look how cool this is, right?

00:38:19.000 You do a card trick.

00:38:20.000 Again, I'm not saying that's not amazing, but the card trick's about you.

00:38:23.000 Typically.

00:38:24.000 If I'm on ESPN and I've, you know, done hundreds of millions of views doing stuff for football players, you're watching this.

00:38:30.000 You're a football fan.

00:38:31.000 You're like, who cares about this guy?

00:38:32.000 I'm going to do stuff about football players and about what interests you if you're a fan.

00:38:36.000 I don't know if you've ever seen, I did a clip with Joe Burrow from the Bengals where I said, Joe, I remember.

00:38:43.000 He goes, no.

00:38:44.000 Honestly, the funny thing about that is I wasn't even supposed to use him in the show.

00:38:47.000 They told me he's shy.

00:38:49.000 Don't use him in the show.

00:38:50.000 And they said, if you can't avoid him.

00:38:52.000 I tried to rile up the gang.

00:38:52.000 And I got in there.

00:38:54.000 Pure pressure.

00:38:55.000 And I'm like, should we get Joe in here?

00:38:56.000 And they're like, yeah, get him up.

00:38:57.000 Haven't spoken a word to this guy in my life.

00:38:59.000 There's no access.

00:39:00.000 I went in with ESPN.

00:39:01.000 Shout out to Adam Shafter, who I love, who set all these wheels in motion.

00:39:05.000 But Joe stands up, doesn't know me from anyone.

00:39:08.000 And I say, every wide receiver and tight end in the room stand up.

00:39:12.000 And I go, what if I could tell you who you're going to throw that ball to?

00:39:16.000 What's that worth?

00:39:17.000 Right?

00:39:18.000 That's the holy grail.

00:39:19.000 If you're in football, I go, catch the ball, quarterback.

00:39:21.000 I go, look at everyone in this room, and now look at me.

00:39:24.000 And I wrote on a huge, huge thing.

00:39:26.000 Showed the camera, throw it to anybody you want.

00:39:28.000 Throws it, got the first one right.

00:39:30.000 I go, let's do it again.

00:39:31.000 I go, throw it to anyone you want.

00:39:33.000 I go, anyone.

00:39:33.000 Anyone?

00:39:34.000 Throws it, got the second one right.

00:39:36.000 Everyone's freaking out.

00:39:37.000 I go, one last play.

00:39:38.000 Two is luck.

00:39:39.000 And I write, fakes to Jamar.

00:39:41.000 You can watch the clip.

00:39:42.000 It's the most viral thing I've ever done.

00:39:44.000 And he fakes it to Jamar, turns around, throws it to another guy.

00:39:47.000 Nailed it exactly.

00:39:49.000 Just, and you just see his face.

00:39:51.000 And so I was thinking about how I would do that for two years.

00:39:55.000 Two years of thinking of every single way that could work, not work, go wrong, everything about it was, you know, he thought I went in the room and it's so simple.

00:40:04.000 That was two years of me thinking about it during every run.

00:40:07.000 So for two years, you knew you were going to do this or you knew that you were...

00:40:14.000 You asked me the same way.

00:40:15.000 I don't know how you, like, form a set.

00:40:17.000 But you asked me, how do I design?

00:40:18.000 I was designing with the story people would tell.

00:40:21.000 And so people that don't know who I am, don't know anything, go, yo, we saw this guy.

00:40:25.000 Did you see this guy?

00:40:26.000 He just told Joe Burrow to throw the ball to any people.

00:40:28.000 Throws it, gets it right.

00:40:29.000 Like, the story is, I told the quarterback anybody he would throw the ball to.

00:40:32.000 So it was any quarterback.

00:40:33.000 It wasn't Joe Burrow in your head.

00:40:36.000 Well, I didn't know who it would be.

00:40:37.000 But he said you could do it for two years.

00:40:38.000 So for two years, you thought you were going to be on ESPN with a quarterback?

00:40:42.000 Well, no.

00:40:42.000 He was the second season.

00:40:44.000 So when I first started it, I start brainstorming.

00:40:46.000 I'm like, I can't control what thoughts come in.

00:40:49.000 I'm constantly thinking about what I'm going to do.

00:40:50.000 And I just do notes apps.

00:40:52.000 I write stuff down in the shower.

00:40:54.000 Like, when I run is when I come up with stuff, and in the shower.

00:40:57.000 Sometimes on airplanes, but I sleep on planes.

00:40:58.000 But that's when it hits me.

00:41:00.000 Like, where are your bursts?

00:41:02.000 You must have, like, where are you getting material?

00:41:04.000 Mostly late at night on the right.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, but sometimes driving.

00:41:08.000 Driving?

00:41:09.000 You don't do phone calls or anything?

00:41:11.000 I mean, phone calls, I'm usually concentrated on talking to people.

00:41:15.000 They're not the times where ideas come to me.

00:41:18.000 A lot of times it's driving with no music on.

00:41:21.000 Wow, yeah.

00:41:22.000 I'm never in the car by myself, ever.

00:41:24.000 Oh, really?

00:41:25.000 Family.

00:41:26.000 Five kids.

00:41:27.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Driving to work, you know.

00:41:33.000 Usually, that's when it comes to me.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, and I'm in New York City, so there's no...

00:41:37.000 Sauna's good, because you can't be on electronics.

00:41:40.000 Right.

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, the phones are a killer.

00:41:42.000 The phones, like, you zap any creativity or boredom.

00:41:45.000 Yeah, you do need boredom.

00:41:45.000 You need boredom.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, you need boredom for ideas to come to you, for sure.

00:41:49.000 Yep.

00:41:50.000 Yeah, that's the problem essentially with social media.

00:41:52.000 It's like it's a boredom.

00:41:54.000 You are still bored, but you are occupied.

00:41:57.000 Right.

00:41:58.000 You don't get to sit with it.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:00.000 Which I think is key because that's when they kind of fire off.

00:42:04.000 And I think that's, you know, not to get into it, but like so many kids now have no way to deal with boredom.

00:42:04.000 Yep.

00:42:10.000 Yep.

00:42:11.000 It's like panic.

00:42:12.000 I got to get my phone.

00:42:13.000 I got to, you know, that whole feeling of...

00:42:16.000 They're just completely unaccustomed to not being constantly entertained.

00:42:20.000 Right.

00:42:21.000 And even entertained by nonsense.

00:42:22.000 It's not even really entertaining.

00:42:24.000 It's just distracting.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Which is a big part of it.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:28.000 So you sat out for two years prepping this thing.

00:42:32.000 No, I didn't sit out.

00:42:33.000 I was just always thinking.

00:42:34.000 Right.

00:42:35.000 But you set out, I should say.

00:42:37.000 Set out in your mind.

00:42:38.000 You had this idea in your head for two years.

00:42:40.000 How do I do it?

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 How do you do it?

00:42:42.000 How do you do it?

00:42:43.000 That was the question, because I didn't know how to do it at first.

00:42:45.000 How did you do it?

00:42:48.000 Million dollar question, right?

00:42:49.000 I wouldn't be in business if everybody knew How did you learn how to do this kind of thing?

00:42:55.000 So I started with books.

00:42:58.000 And then there's some videos, but it's a very esoteric.

00:43:02.000 They give you a series of foundational things.

00:43:05.000 Almost everybody who becomes a mentalist stars a magician.

00:43:08.000 It's kind of like if you're a doctor, you've got to be a doctor before you become a plastic surgeon.

00:43:12.000 So there's this core set of skills that you utilize to know how to fool people, right?

00:43:17.000 To know how people think.

00:43:18.000 Okay.

00:43:19.000 If I taught you a card trick right now, there's always a level of deception.

00:43:19.000 Right?

00:43:19.000 Think about it.

00:43:24.000 Oh, that's the thing.

00:43:25.000 Sleight of hand.

00:43:25.000 Well, there's tricks called self-working tricks, where you don't need to do any sleight of hand.

00:43:29.000 Okay.

00:43:30.000 They work by themselves as long as you follow the instructions, like IKEA furniture, like step one, step two, step three, as long as you can Got it.

00:43:42.000 You have to know how to finesse people you have to influence people effectively and so That same stuff within magic almost always applies to props.

00:43:51.000 You need a thing to do the trick Now it could be a regular deck of cards in which case you're looting slights, but also there's gimmicks Right?

00:43:59.000 There's tricks you can buy at stores.

00:44:00.000 Which when I was a kid, I'm like, oh, teenager, I'm like, get me the next gimmick.

00:44:04.000 But then to get better, you start being able to do stuff impromptu.

00:44:07.000 That's when you kind of hit another level where I don't need stuff.

00:44:07.000 Right?

00:44:10.000 I can do stuff with anything.

00:44:12.000 You know?

00:44:12.000 I could do stuff.

00:44:13.000 It's like a good story for my book that I'm writing right now.

00:44:16.000 But it's like where I just needed anything around.

00:44:20.000 I was like, I end up in jail for a weekend.

00:44:22.000 It's a long story.

00:44:23.000 But like in jail.

00:44:24.000 One weekend.

00:44:25.000 But I walk in there by myself. 1.00

00:44:25.000 Stupid weekend. 1.00

00:44:28.000 And I should have been out that day, but anyway, I got stuck all weekend, and I watched them with cards, and it was like I had trained my whole life for this moment, where I walked up record scratch to like 40 dudes, and I go, can I see those cards? 0.99

00:44:41.000 And it was like, everyone looked at me like, what's this guy about to do?

00:44:43.000 And I just did card tricks for the next eight hours.

00:44:46.000 When I went to take a shower, I'm thinking of the show Oz.

00:44:49.000 I'm like, oh my god, right now I had protection.

00:44:51.000 I went to the shower, Mecosta County Jail in Michigan, and literally I had people being like, go take a shower.

00:44:57.000 We got you, bro.

00:44:59.000 What did you go to jail for? 1.00

00:45:00.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:45:01.000 So we had, this is so dumb. 1.00

00:45:03.000 This almost derailed my whole career. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Drunken idiots. 1.00

00:45:05.000 I go up to visit a buddy in college and we steal from a Papa John's. 1.00

00:45:10.000 Don't ask me why.

00:45:11.000 A broken phone at a college Papa John's.

00:45:14.000 I paid for the pizza! 1.00

00:45:14.000 Just being idiots. 1.00

00:45:15.000 But there was a broken phone on the counter. 1.00

00:45:17.000 And you know, this is like me slight of hand style.

00:45:19.000 I'm like, I'm stealing this thing.

00:45:21.000 And it was in my jacket.

00:45:21.000 It's just gone.

00:45:23.000 And then I told my buddies, you guys gotta get something too.

00:45:26.000 So they go in the bathroom, which doubles up as the employee locker room, and they take...

00:45:32.000 Dirty shirts from a laundry bin. 1.00

00:45:33.000 And we bring them back to my buddy's house like idiots. 1.00

00:45:36.000 We wear them. 0.99

00:45:37.000 And we, at the party, I barely remember this.

00:45:39.000 I was like blackout drunk, are like, Papa John's, who wants a pizza?

00:45:42.000 Who wants a pizza?

00:45:43.000 I end up going to sleep on his futon, right?

00:45:47.000 At like 2am.

00:45:48.000 And at 4am, someone comes in and they're like, yo, the cops are here.

00:45:51.000 I'm like, dude, it's not my house.

00:45:52.000 What do you want from me?

00:45:52.000 Did you guys post videos?

00:45:53.000 No, this is pre-social media, man.

00:45:55.000 No, no.

00:45:56.000 Somebody ratted us out.

00:45:57.000 Somebody's roommate.

00:45:58.000 I found this out way later.

00:46:00.000 Calling goes, yo, bro, there's a bunch of dudes here with a broken phone from Papa.

00:46:04.000 I didn't know any of this, but somebody comes in.

00:46:05.000 They're like, yo, the cops are here.

00:46:06.000 I'm like, they're here for you.

00:46:07.000 And I'm like, here for me?

00:46:09.000 What do you mean they're here for me?

00:46:10.000 I don't live here.

00:46:11.000 And cops come in the room, and I'm wearing aggressively small underwear at this point.

00:46:16.000 This is like tighty-whities.

00:46:17.000 This couldn't have been more of a bad perp walk.

00:46:20.000 And they go, yo.

00:46:22.000 You're under arrest.

00:46:23.000 And I'm like, for what?

00:46:24.000 And they're like, for stealing from Papa John's.

00:46:26.000 And what am I going to say?

00:46:27.000 I'm wearing the shirt!

00:46:29.000 Oh my god.

00:46:31.000 This is on a Friday night.

00:46:32.000 How old were you?

00:46:33.000 I was 20 years old.

00:46:35.000 And I was just about to get an internship for Merrill Lynch.

00:46:37.000 And while this story is hilarious now, and it's like a funny chapter in my book, it was like, God help me, did I avoid everything?

00:46:45.000 And then when I went to jail, yo, scariest, one of the scariest days of my life.

00:46:49.000 How did you get out of everything?

00:46:51.000 So I got out of everything because I had a clean record.

00:46:52.000 I was a pretty upstanding citizen.

00:46:54.000 And, you know, not to get in the weeds, there's something called Holmes Youthful Trainee Act.

00:46:58.000 I don't know if they still have it.

00:46:59.000 We're expunged from my record.

00:47:00.000 Didn't have to report it to, like, the Wall Street firm.

00:47:02.000 And they also said they were charging me.

00:47:04.000 They put us in, like, a drunk tank, me and two buddies.

00:47:06.000 And they said they're charging us with felony larceny.

00:47:09.000 And I've seen some, like, law and order.

00:47:12.000 I'm like, felony?

00:47:13.000 It's like, what do we steal?

00:47:14.000 Like, 20 bucks worth of stuff.

00:47:15.000 They go, but you stole things they don't sell.

00:47:17.000 Had you stolen $999 of pizza?

00:47:20.000 It would have been a misdemeanor, and I know they're lying to me.

00:47:23.000 I'm not a mentalist then, and I'm inebriated, but I can read the room, didn't say a word, knew this was BS, and then they separated us when we went to general population.

00:47:32.000 And it's not like the movies.

00:47:34.000 You know, it's like, it was wild.

00:47:37.000 It was wild when I went in there, and I just knew this is my cheat code.

00:47:40.000 It was like everything in life had prepared me for this moment.

00:47:43.000 And the jail was also, again, I didn't know this, but it was very segregated.

00:47:47.000 Like, the white dudes are here, the black dudes are here. 0.58

00:47:49.000 And I didn't know, what do you do when you go in?

00:47:51.000 Like, what do you do?

00:47:52.000 I'm five foot nothing.

00:47:54.000 I'm like a buck forty, dripping wet.

00:47:55.000 What do I do?

00:47:56.000 How do you make friends right now? 0.90

00:47:58.000 And I see the black guys playing spades. 1.00

00:48:00.000 And I just walk up, and it's like, you make your move.

00:48:03.000 and I'm like, let me see those cards.

00:48:05.000 And it was just, it's like a moment I have, I didn't repeat a trick.

00:48:09.000 I know tricks encyclopedically.

00:48:11.000 I just go all day.

00:48:14.000 Wow.

00:48:15.000 What an experience.

00:48:17.000 It was crazy.

00:48:18.000 And then it was all thrown out and cost me some money.

00:48:18.000 That's wild.

00:48:20.000 It was definitely a very, very stressful few weeks and I never stole anything since.

00:48:25.000 Honestly, that was scared straight.

00:48:26.000 That was very, very smart. 1.00

00:48:28.000 You prefer to learn a lesson like that, for my kids especially, without being stupid. 1.00

00:48:32.000 But so many of us have to be stupid to internalize a lesson of touching the stove, and I had to burn my hands. 1.00

00:48:38.000 Did you always talk this way, the way you talk? 1.00

00:48:40.000 You talk very fast, with a lot of energy.

00:48:43.000 Is this your whole life?

00:48:44.000 I think so.

00:48:45.000 Even though, man, anyone on 1.5x, the way I listen to podcasts, is going to be miserable with me.

00:48:49.000 Maybe that's it.

00:48:51.000 You're listening to podcasts at that speed, you're communicating at that speed.

00:48:55.000 It's like you're on.

00:48:56.000 I'm on. 1.00

00:48:58.000 And you ran 27 fucking miles. 1.00

00:49:00.000 No caffeine. 0.99

00:49:00.000 That's true. 0.99

00:49:01.000 So I'm not a caffeine guy.

00:49:02.000 You don't drink caffeine at all?

00:49:04.000 I try to avoid it.

00:49:05.000 Like, I'm not a coffee guy.

00:49:06.000 I missed the boat on coffee.

00:49:07.000 I honestly wish I did.

00:49:09.000 It probably wouldn't be good for me, given how dialed in I am.

00:49:11.000 But, like, I just never started drinking caffeine, so I never got into it.

00:49:15.000 Do you ever mess with any stimulants?

00:49:17.000 Not really.

00:49:18.000 What does that mean?

00:49:18.000 No, not really?

00:49:19.000 Like, what do you mean by stim?

00:49:21.000 Like anything.

00:49:21.000 If I don't sleep...

00:49:23.000 And that happens a lot.

00:49:25.000 So if I'm not getting enough sleep...

00:49:28.000 I will occasionally do like a Celsius or a Red Bull, but I don't really like it.

00:49:31.000 I do it kind of as medicine because I have to be alive and functioning, but I really try to avoid it.

00:49:36.000 What is it like when you get hit with a Celsius and you haven't been drinking any caffeine?

00:49:41.000 So I only drink about a third of it and then I pour it out.

00:49:45.000 And my kids are always like, why are you pouring that out?

00:49:47.000 And they call everything a brewski, which is a weird thing they call it.

00:49:51.000 Before, it was always like a brewski is what they've extrapolated to every beverage in a can being a brewski.

00:49:58.000 That's hilarious.

00:49:59.000 That's funny.

00:50:00.000 But one third just must jolt you to the roof.

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:03.000 I can't do more than that.

00:50:04.000 Like if you drank a Four Loko.

00:50:06.000 Four Locos have booze in it? 0.61

00:50:08.000 You know, Four Locos are like...

00:50:11.000 But it has, like, caffeine too, right?

00:50:13.000 That's like bad decisions in a can right there.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, like, what am I thinking of?

00:50:16.000 Oh, a red line.

00:50:18.000 Is that the one?

00:50:18.000 No, I think it's Four Loko.

00:50:19.000 It's caffeine mixed with alcohol.

00:50:20.000 This one was just caffeine. 0.99

00:50:22.000 It was fucking crazy. 0.99

00:50:23.000 Oh, that was the stuff to take, like, pre-workout that was fucking people up. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Was that a red line? 0.72

00:50:26.000 Something like that.

00:50:27.000 Oh, that was the other one.

00:50:29.000 That was Rip Fuel. 0.97

00:50:30.000 Yeah.

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:33.000 So you've always been like this?

00:50:35.000 I gotta ask my wife.

00:50:36.000 I think so.

00:50:37.000 Well, I'm more on now because we're doing something, but if I go on certain platforms of TV and I know I want to be slow, then I'll just calibrate down.

00:50:45.000 But I'm getting fired up.

00:50:47.000 Do you, when you plan out a show, whether it's a corporate show or a television show, do you have a whiteboard?

00:50:51.000 Do you put your ideas on?

00:50:53.000 How do you do it?

00:50:56.000 I take meticulous notes about everything.

00:50:59.000 Everyone I meet, everything.

00:51:01.000 At the end of a show, immediately, as quickly as I can afterwards, probably some people record shows.

00:51:06.000 I hate re-watching myself on corporate shows and live shows.

00:51:09.000 I don't mind TV stuff, but for some reason those, if I've repeated material, because it's like muscle memory, you've done this before, it irks me to watch again.

00:51:17.000 But I write down everything that happened.

00:51:19.000 Every nuance.

00:51:21.000 Paragraphs about everything that happened, which is a useful life hack because I remember it all, but also I get repeat bookings a lot.

00:51:28.000 So if somebody brings me back, now it's like a real magic trick where I know everything about what happened.

00:51:32.000 And if you even just recount stuff from two years ago, people think you have superhuman memory or, People's number one subjects are themselves, their family, and their friends.

00:51:44.000 The more you can do that and give them back stuff about them, the more they're like, wow, what a caring individual, right?

00:51:50.000 Being a good listener, a lot of times just repeating back to people what they just said.

00:51:53.000 Right, right.

00:51:55.000 When you do these corporate shows and you do these television shows, when it goes great.

00:52:03.000 Do you have this idea in your head like now I've got to ramp it up?

00:52:07.000 Now I've got to push it even further?

00:52:09.000 Now I've got to make it even more difficult for me?

00:52:11.000 For sure.

00:52:11.000 For TV more than corporate.

00:52:13.000 Because corporate's not as big of a deal because what does somebody want there?

00:52:17.000 They want a defined quantity, right?

00:52:24.000 It's at a stadium.

00:52:25.000 Are you doing new ones?

00:52:27.000 Like you're going to do your hour.

00:52:29.000 You're going to do what's solid.

00:52:30.000 So I do a lot of that.

00:52:32.000 The problem is I don't really have a lot of places where I can do new material because I'm just so busy.

00:52:37.000 So I have so many events that I don't really have anything.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, are there like open mics for mentalists where you can go and practice?

00:52:44.000 There might have been in the past, but right now it's just not where I'm at.

00:52:47.000 Do you just practice on friends sometimes?

00:52:50.000 Everything's in my head.

00:52:51.000 A lot of things I'll do on TV, I've never done before ever.

00:52:56.000 Really?

00:52:57.000 Yeah, so I'm just thinking through everything that could go wrong and I go through kind of like a list of what could go wrong here?

00:53:02.000 What could go wrong here?

00:53:03.000 What if they think this right there?

00:53:04.000 What if we change this?

00:53:05.000 I have like plan A, B, C, D, E. I have just a long list of what everything will go like a pick your own adventure and typically I know where to go with it and then controlling your body and your tension is everything, right?

00:53:21.000 So you're a hunter you step on a branch Animal hears it.

00:53:26.000 What happens?

00:53:27.000 Right?

00:53:27.000 Gone.

00:53:27.000 Right?

00:53:28.000 It's a sense that we can feel.

00:53:29.000 We have the same thing.

00:53:30.000 We're animals.

00:53:31.000 If I get tense when something's going wrong, you can sense it.

00:53:35.000 Even if you don't know it on a conscious level, you can sense it.

00:53:38.000 And now we have a cascade.

00:53:40.000 So my job is based upon me being somewhere the alpha and being in control of the situation.

00:53:47.000 Think about it.

00:53:47.000 If I just said, think of your pin code.

00:53:49.000 You're like, I don't want to.

00:53:50.000 Right?

00:53:51.000 I don't want to.

00:53:51.000 I'm going to do this instead.

00:53:52.000 I'm going to do this instead.

00:53:53.000 How did you actually You did what I wanted in essence, right?

00:53:59.000 We could manipulate any way, but at the end of the day you did what I wanted.

00:54:01.000 Right.

00:54:02.000 And in my show, I'm the one pointing the camera.

00:54:04.000 I'm always the director.

00:54:06.000 You don't get to point where you want.

00:54:07.000 I'm kind of in charge.

00:54:08.000 And even if I let you think you're in charge, I'm still in charge at the end of the day.

00:54:12.000 Right.

00:54:12.000 I come to my kids.

00:54:13.000 I want them to eat veggies.

00:54:15.000 I don't say you got to eat your veggies.

00:54:16.000 They'll say no.

00:54:17.000 I go, you're so lucky right now.

00:54:19.000 Carrots?

00:54:20.000 Cucumbers or peppers?

00:54:21.000 You're so lucky you get to choose first before your brother or sister.

00:54:21.000 Which one?

00:54:24.000 Now, I've framed it differently.

00:54:26.000 Right?

00:54:27.000 Anybody who has toddlers knows that's the best way to do it.

00:54:29.000 Don't go straight on.

00:54:30.000 That's not going to work.

00:54:31.000 Right.

00:54:32.000 So the same thing applies.

00:54:33.000 Power dynamics in relationships with people.

00:54:36.000 So I got lost in my train of thought.

00:54:38.000 But in essence, if I am messing up and you know it, it's going to go downhill really fast.

00:54:44.000 And so on TV, some of my biggest mess-ups, you don't know.

00:54:47.000 But I am shitting my pants, flop sweat, like fully.

00:54:51.000 And I can't let you see that. 0.87

00:54:52.000 I need to be so calm because if I am not calm, you can actually tell.

00:54:58.000 And it's going to keep going worse and I can't get you to go back to what I want and I've lost control of the situation.

00:55:03.000 So years and years were spent doing that.

00:55:06.000 I would say it's very akin to a sniper.

00:55:08.000 I'm not a sniper, don't get me wrong, I'm not military.

00:55:10.000 But how do you calm your heart rate?

00:55:12.000 How do you stay calm even when you're not?

00:55:14.000 And I could have an HRM on me.

00:55:17.000 Calm when things are going wrong.

00:55:19.000 That must help.

00:55:20.000 The running must help for that.

00:55:21.000 I think so.

00:55:22.000 Control your heart rate.

00:55:23.000 Low heart rate.

00:55:24.000 Just in control of it as well, right?

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Like your heart muscles very finely tuned.

00:55:30.000 Yeah.

00:55:31.000 I think it helps.

00:55:32.000 I mean, it can't hurt.

00:55:33.000 My friend Cam Haynes, who also runs these crazy ultra-marathons, he's also the best bowhunter in the world.

00:55:33.000 I think it does.

00:55:40.000 And bowhunting, a lot of it is controlling your anxiety at the moment of the shot execution.

00:55:45.000 And I would imagine for him, his heart rate is completely under control all the time because he's always very low.

00:55:53.000 Because he does so many miles.

00:55:55.000 He can stay calm.

00:55:57.000 It's probably a really great tool just for staying calm.

00:56:01.000 I think so.

00:56:01.000 Right?

00:56:02.000 I mean, the way I describe the ultra marathons, because they're silly, right?

00:56:07.000 He just ran, I love Cam, ran 250 miles.

00:56:10.000 Do you see that thing?

00:56:11.000 Amazing.

00:56:12.000 That's a crazy thing to do.

00:56:14.000 That's not healthy, and I'm a nutcase who can say that.

00:56:17.000 And for most people, they're like, I don't want to do that, and you don't need to.

00:56:19.000 But what is that?

00:56:20.000 What is that really?

00:56:22.000 When you do that, everything else in life becomes easier.

00:56:26.000 The lows that you experience when you do something like that, Is a way you cannot fake in any other way.

00:56:34.000 You cannot test who you really are than putting yourself.

00:56:37.000 You could be on the couch saying, what would I do and be tough guy and you pretend to be Goggins or Hanes.

00:56:41.000 But until you get in that level where you're miserable, you haven't slept in a day, you have all that, there might be another way to push yourself, but that's where you learn who am I really at my core.

00:56:50.000 And then when you go back to normal life, everything else, the volume is turned down.

00:56:53.000 And when I come back from those races, all I do is get a mirror to put up to see who am I really.

00:56:59.000 When things are at their lowest and when I want to quit and I don't.

00:57:05.000 Yeah, I think that's a very strong statement.

00:57:07.000 I think one of the things that you just said there, I've said a bunch of times, is that if you can work out really hard and push your body and push your mind, it makes other forms of adversity that you face during the day much easier.

00:57:20.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why so many people are so filled with anxiety.

00:57:23.000 It seems like that's such a simple solution that most people don't want to accept it.

00:57:27.000 Like, oh, there's more to that.

00:57:28.000 There's a mental imbalance.

00:57:29.000 There's a this, there's that.

00:57:33.000 But everybody that I know that does what I'm talking about, everybody I know that pushes themselves very hard in the gym or running or doing yoga or whatever, they're the most happy and the most relaxed, and they're able to face adversity throughout the day much easier than people that don't take care of their body, that don't eat well, that don't exercise, and don't experience any voluntary physical discomfort.

00:57:57.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:58:00.000 I think it's mandatory, you know, and it doesn't have to be what I do or it doesn't have to be what you do.

00:58:05.000 It's go find, do pickleball, okay?

00:58:08.000 Go play some other sport, tennis.

00:58:11.000 Do something that's fun.

00:58:13.000 Jiu-jitsu is a great one.

00:58:14.000 It's fun to do and then you learn how to do something while you're working out.

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:18.000 Muay Thai is another one like that. 0.98

00:58:20.000 You know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do that's fun, that's exercise, but man, you should exercise.

00:58:26.000 You got to move your body.

00:58:27.000 You got to move your body.

00:58:28.000 Again, I don't want to speak out of turn like medical, but they've shown over and over that exercise is just, it's almost as effective in certain regards and like just being a certain level of healthiness than antidepressants.

00:58:39.000 No, more effective.

00:58:40.000 More effective.

00:58:41.000 It's unbelievable.

00:58:42.000 Statistically, clinically more effective.

00:58:44.000 More effective.

00:58:45.000 Because it's, of course it is.

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:47.000 Of course it is.

00:58:48.000 Like, this is the reason why people are so filled with anxieties, because your body has certain physical requirements.

00:58:54.000 Right.

00:58:54.000 Your body was designed to fight off predators and to run away from enemies and to hunt and gather food.

00:59:01.000 That's the same DNA as people that lived tens of thousands of years ago, courses through your body.

00:59:06.000 That's the fabric of your body.

00:59:08.000 That's you.

00:59:09.000 You can't deny that, and there's a reason why this sedentary sort of generation that we're experiencing right now because of phones and tablets and all the – It's the most depressed.

00:59:09.000 Right.

00:59:23.000 Right.

00:59:24.000 Anxious, too.

00:59:24.000 No, for sure.

00:59:25.000 like that Jonathan Haydon, It's wild, the correlation, and it's just so clear cut.

00:59:31.000 But yeah, social media is very...

00:59:38.000 You've got to find the right way to do it.

00:59:38.000 No.

00:59:39.000 There's some benefits in that there's a lot of inspiration.

00:59:42.000 I agree.

00:59:43.000 You know, and also information.

00:59:46.000 You know, I'm not completely off of social media.

00:59:49.000 I tap anywhere, but I've radically reduced it over the last month or so.

00:59:54.000 And in doing that, it's really been much, much nicer.

00:59:58.000 Like, life is way easier.

01:00:00.000 But occasionally I'll find something really interesting on social media, so it's like, boy, I don't want to not know that.

01:00:06.000 I don't want to not, like, find out about some new scientific breakthrough or some new thing that's going on.

01:00:12.000 One of the things that I've found that helps me, though, is instead of social media, I just have a bunch of stuff that I curate in my Google News app.

01:00:21.000 And so I'll just, like, find any sort of scientific breakthrough or some weird discovery.

01:00:27.000 A lot of really interesting things about ancient civilizations.

01:00:30.000 I just have that stuff curated, so it just shows up on my feed.

01:00:34.000 Where do you get that?

01:00:34.000 On your phone?

01:00:35.000 Yeah, it's just the Google News app.

01:00:37.000 It's great, because it's like, that way I can find stuff out without having to go and just hopefully randomly run into it on X or on Instagram.

01:00:47.000 Right.

01:00:48.000 That's how that helps a lot terrible with X a lot of my friends get news on X. I'm just like oh A lot of negativity, and for Instagram for years, Like, where I'm like, why am I getting off of this and feeling worse than I did getting on it?

01:01:08.000 And so I really had to flip a switch in my brain to, I got rid of that.

01:01:13.000 Anything that I don't like, I don't show.

01:01:15.000 and I stop focusing on what I don't have and I focus on what I do have.

01:01:26.000 Was it material possessions?

01:01:27.000 It wasn't material.

01:01:32.000 I look more at it and say, I'm not doing enough.

01:01:35.000 So it's like an inferior.

01:01:37.000 You're always going to be lesser than, right?

01:01:39.000 Someone's gonna be younger, richer, smarter, like every er.

01:01:42.000 But in my case, it was more of, I, And just seeing other people in my field or other fields, and I felt like I'm not doing enough.

01:01:50.000 I'm somewhat driven, ambitious.

01:01:52.000 So I'm like, I'm just not doing enough right now.

01:01:54.000 And it's that constant feeling of I'm not doing enough doesn't drive you.

01:01:58.000 It would be better to see, look at them.

01:02:00.000 I'm so happy for them.

01:02:01.000 I'm going to do that too.

01:02:02.000 It should be a positive, uplifting thing, and it's a flip in your brain.

01:02:06.000 It's like multiplying negative one times negative one.

01:02:08.000 And much more of an inflection point of gratitude.

01:02:12.000 Do you know Jay Shetty?

01:02:15.000 Jay, I don't know, podcaster, really good dude.

01:02:19.000 I've definitely heard of him.

01:02:20.000 Met him last year, and he told me something very stuck with me for the last year, which is, million thoughts a day.

01:02:26.000 We're on social media, we're all this, that.

01:02:27.000 He goes, the only two thoughts, you can't control them all, but try to control two thoughts each day.

01:02:32.000 The first one when you wake up, and the last one you go to sleep.

01:02:35.000 It's that easy.

01:02:36.000 Those two.

01:02:36.000 Just try to have the first thing you wake up be one, and before you go to bed, just have one last thought.

01:02:43.000 For me, it's like, yo, every day alive is a blessing.

01:02:46.000 Literally, I believe that in my core.

01:02:48.000 I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.

01:02:50.000 A parent in my school just passed away recently.

01:02:53.000 Shattered.

01:02:54.000 Young kids, cancer.

01:02:56.000 I've known a few people.

01:02:57.000 And you see that, and you're like, no, that's for real, though.

01:03:00.000 You don't know what will happen tomorrow.

01:03:01.000 So I've hit the lottery.

01:03:03.000 I'm blessed beyond measure.

01:03:05.000 Wife, way out of my league. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Smart, gorgeous, sharp as a whip, five beautiful kids.

01:03:10.000 Like, I try to focus on everything I have and never on what I don't have.

01:03:14.000 I get to do what I love for a living.

01:03:16.000 Like, my mindset is completely evolved of why would I think of what people don't?

01:03:19.000 And everybody, if you're alive, you should be happy.

01:03:22.000 You do not know what tomorrow will be.

01:03:23.000 And I know that's all like new agey, whatever, but that's...

01:03:28.000 We were just talking about that in the green room last night at the comedy club, about the problem with gratitude is that too many people have co-opted it.

01:03:36.000 Right.

01:03:36.000 And really annoying people.

01:03:38.000 Annoying, like wooden beads types, you know, like gratitude.

01:03:38.000 Annoying.

01:03:41.000 But gratitude is really important.

01:03:43.000 But no, it's actually what you think because your thoughts create a lot of your reality.

01:03:47.000 The same way I said looking around the room.

01:03:49.000 So if your mindset starts to become one more of, rather than you see someone, you're like, screw that guy.

01:03:55.000 He's rich, right?

01:03:55.000 That's how the mindset, that's easy for you to say they're rich.

01:03:57.000 You see that in comments all the time.

01:03:59.000 I'm like, I think that person worked their butt off to get to where they are.

01:04:03.000 And what did they do?

01:04:04.000 And you know what?

01:04:04.000 That's inspirational to me.

01:04:05.000 What can I learn from that?

01:04:07.000 That's just a mindset of, I don't see it as a zero-sum game.

01:04:10.000 Well, it's one thing that those people that post things like that have in common, when you go to their page, they're all very boring.

01:04:16.000 Right.

01:04:17.000 It's really interesting. 0.93

01:04:18.000 You see, like, the expression of their dull mind. 1.00

01:04:20.000 That's like, fuck them, they got money. 1.00

01:04:23.000 Right. 1.00

01:04:24.000 I don't have money.

01:04:25.000 They got money. 1.00

01:04:26.000 It's a dull brain. 0.96

01:04:27.000 And I always wonder, like, what is it like to be that person? 0.86

01:04:30.000 Is that a biological hitch?

01:04:32.000 Or is it just learned behavior? 1.00

01:04:35.000 Like, what is it that makes them that stupid? 1.00

01:04:37.000 I don't know if it's stupid. 1.00

01:04:38.000 I don't know if it's a judge, but I think you project your insecurities. 1.00

01:04:41.000 It's a little bit of that, but it's clearly a stupid way to think. 1.00

01:04:44.000 Right. 0.99

01:04:45.000 You know, it's totally not empowering.

01:04:47.000 Like, to complain about someone else's success or be angry about someone else's success is not empowering in any way, shape, or form. 1.00

01:04:56.000 And so that's inherently stupid. 0.99

01:04:58.000 But you find the excuses. 1.00

01:05:00.000 Because you're like, if I had that, if I had that.

01:05:03.000 Well, exactly.

01:05:04.000 Must be nice.

01:05:05.000 Rather than saying, how do I do this for myself?

01:05:08.000 It's much easier, especially if you've given up on certain things.

01:05:08.000 Exactly.

01:05:11.000 Yeah.

01:05:12.000 Now, once you've given up, it's better to make excuses and bring someone else down to try to bring you up. 0.97

01:05:17.000 Well, here's what's dumb about it. 0.88

01:05:18.000 and this is why I said it's stupid, it doesn't get Instead, if you can shift your focus and see someone doing something, recognize that these tinges of jealousy that you feel are completely natural, but realize that to get the most out of this, you have to switch that in your mind to inspiration. 0.97

01:05:42.000 And that person's success that's kind of freaking you out now becomes fuel. 0.96

01:05:47.000 Right.

01:05:48.000 Now it becomes fuel and you can motivate yourself. 1.00

01:05:50.000 But you have to avoid the fuck that guy and fuck this, fuck that. 1.00

01:05:54.000 That doesn't help you at all. 1.00

01:05:55.000 That does zero good for you.

01:05:57.000 And in fact, it occupies all of your precious time with complaining when instead, if you can manage it and it can be managed, you can turn that into inspiration and then go out and try to do something.

01:06:11.000 Either focus more on what you're doing, realize maybe I'm doing this.

01:06:17.000 It's not as efficient or maybe I can have more energy.

01:06:19.000 Maybe I just need to do it more.

01:06:21.000 Maybe I need to be a little bit more disciplined in my approach.

01:06:24.000 But those little shifts will have measurable changes in the outcomes.

01:06:24.000 Whatever it is.

01:06:29.000 Huge.

01:06:30.000 Huge changes.

01:06:31.000 Major.

01:06:32.000 Especially the big one.

01:06:32.000 Down the line.

01:06:35.000 Change jealousy to inspiration.

01:06:37.000 Love that.

01:06:38.000 You have to be able to do it.

01:06:39.000 Right.

01:06:40.000 It's a giant key.

01:06:41.000 You know, I remember when I was 21 years old, there was a guy who was going on stage and I was hoping that he bombed.

01:06:48.000 Right.

01:06:49.000 I remember thinking that I was hoping that he bombed.

01:06:51.000 And the reason I recognized it, I was realizing that I was recognizing that he was talented.

01:06:59.000 And then he was really funny and it bothered me that maybe I wasn't as talented as him or I wasn't as funny as him.

01:07:06.000 So instead of like seeing him going, what is he doing?

01:07:09.000 Like, wow, this is great.

01:07:10.000 Instead, now all of a sudden I was hoping that he failed.

01:07:14.000 Right.

01:07:15.000 And then I realized like, oh, here's the problem. 0.89

01:07:18.000 First of all, that's just like general bitch thinking that like can enter into your head and you got to figure out how to stop that. 1.00

01:07:24.000 Yep.

01:07:27.000 I was getting to this weird, precarious position, which happens to a lot of artists, where you get into something, whether it's music or stand-up comedy, because you love it as a fan.

01:07:37.000 You love watching it.

01:07:39.000 Like, I loved comedy.

01:07:41.000 But then I when I became a comedian, I stopped loving comedy.

01:07:46.000 Now I was completely Right.

01:07:49.000 That's brutal, right?

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 And it's not good for you.

01:07:51.000 And I was like, no, no, no.

01:07:52.000 You got to go back to laughing at stuff that's good and not connecting it to you at all.

01:07:57.000 It has nothing to do with you.

01:07:59.000 So when someone's really good, that should be great.

01:08:01.000 Right.

01:08:02.000 And then you should be laughing.

01:08:03.000 Even if you don't like that person, you should be laughing.

01:08:06.000 Right.

01:08:07.000 Even if you hate someone and they're funny, you should be laughing because it's good for you.

01:08:12.000 Yeah, and I find that it's over time, it's almost selfish, but it's selfless at the same time, is I like to show love to people coming up as much as possible and try to highlight them and try to kind of… That's for the new people that are kind of doing what I do, doing different things.

01:08:29.000 It makes you feel good.

01:08:30.000 It makes you feel good to do good for others.

01:08:32.000 It's selfish to help people.

01:08:33.000 Isn't that funny?

01:08:34.000 I say that too.

01:08:35.000 It's very funny we think the same.

01:08:37.000 Yeah, I think exactly the same way.

01:08:39.000 It's kind of selfish, but it's also, that's what community is supposed to be about.

01:08:44.000 It's supposed to be not just about you, and that's the difference between a community and a cult.

01:08:49.000 Right.

01:08:50.000 A cult is like, then you have the cult leader, he starts banging everybody's wife, and he wants everybody's money. 0.81

01:08:54.000 There's always an inflection point where you're starting to bang wives. 1.00

01:08:57.000 That's always, where is that in the cult?

01:08:59.000 There's always a message from God. 1.00

01:09:01.000 Right, that tells you you need more pussy. 1.00

01:09:03.000 And you're like, those two right there, I don't know why. 1.00

01:09:06.000 I didn't say it.

01:09:08.000 I didn't say it for the record.

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 God said it.

01:09:10.000 He said it.

01:09:11.000 And then always the part else is there's always some sort of a end point like the world's gonna end but it didn't because we prayed so hard so we're back baby.

01:09:20.000 Yeah those guys are great.

01:09:22.000 There was a billboard in Los Angeles a while back that had the date of the end of the world. 1.00

01:09:28.000 And you drive by and I was like I can't wait to show up here take a selfie in front of it the day after this fucking stupid date. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Right. 1.00

01:09:35.000 Right.

01:09:36.000 Because those guys are never right.

01:09:38.000 Never right.

01:09:40.000 That's weird. 1.00

01:09:41.000 They're the worst mentalists. 0.99

01:09:43.000 The cult leaders? 0.99

01:09:44.000 Yeah, cult leaders never see the writing on the wall.

01:09:47.000 The cult leader has like a very unique where, again, there's a fine line between if you looked at a path of my life.

01:09:54.000 Again, I don't see myself cult leader, but a con man is very similar in many regards to what I do because that's using these skills in what I would describe as – Don't you think they're the same thing?

01:10:06.000 A cult leader is a type of con man.

01:10:08.000 Oh, I was saying what I do is like a con man. 0.96

01:10:10.000 Yeah, but you are a con man for entertainment purposes.

01:10:13.000 Right, exactly.

01:10:14.000 It's different.

01:10:14.000 You have an understanding of the human mind, but instead of using it in a way, For sure.

01:10:23.000 Where everybody gets happiness out of it.

01:10:25.000 It's happiness and you're not lying about the premise, which is the premise is I'm starting from the jump.

01:10:29.000 I'm not psychic.

01:10:30.000 I'm not supernatural.

01:10:31.000 People ask me, is this like a talent or is it a gift?

01:10:34.000 And I think it's similar.

01:10:35.000 yeah, I mean, you've got to have some sort of thing in you to be a good comedian or a good musician or anything like that.

01:10:40.000 You can work on it and get better, You know what I'm saying?

01:10:45.000 You have to have some attributes.

01:10:47.000 There's like a personality trait that just is embedded in you.

01:10:50.000 From the time you're young, for whatever the thing is that you love to do.

01:10:54.000 Maybe it was like watching my folks.

01:10:56.000 There was a lot of weird stuff.

01:10:57.000 I was very good at math as a kid, like unusually good at math.

01:11:01.000 And I would do weird stuff.

01:11:03.000 Like I'd count steps every time.

01:11:05.000 I knew every step in every place I ever went to, like some Rain Man stuff.

01:11:08.000 And when I would go, this is from the time I was like six, we'd go to Little Caesars.

01:11:11.000 I'll never forget.

01:11:12.000 I lived in Metro Detroit.

01:11:14.000 And before they rang up the food, I knew the percentage tax it would be.

01:11:18.000 So when they did it, I would instantly You're going to get $16.18.

01:11:24.000 She's like, how did you know that and change?

01:11:26.000 And it was like a weird thing that I got very good at.

01:11:30.000 And I think, boom, dopamine hit, dopamine hit.

01:11:33.000 They would like that.

01:11:34.000 And so it's ingrained where I was good at, again, people become the joker because there's some sort of dark thing in there.

01:11:42.000 Not everybody, but typically there's some, I don't want to say trauma.

01:11:46.000 But you're not gonna be funny or amazing unless something happened in your life where you have a reason to be entertaining.

01:11:51.000 And so I think there's points in time where I could take people's minds off things, and this was a great way to do it.

01:11:57.000 And also, magic, people don't get to know you.

01:12:00.000 They get to know the character, the performer.

01:12:02.000 So you get that nice little separation, which I learned at a young age was really, like, how to make rejection.

01:12:08.000 Fear of rejection, fear of failure.

01:12:10.000 Most people, that's their number one fear.

01:12:12.000 And I learned at 14 how to make that gone, like eliminate that entirely.

01:12:16.000 Interesting.

01:12:17.000 That's interesting.

01:12:18.000 It's also the dynamic of you being in control, which I think you talked about earlier, I think is, for whatever reason, imperative when you're speaking to people.

01:12:28.000 You have to be in control for them to let you kind of guide everything.

01:12:33.000 You don't want other people, you don't want to ask questions and have everybody like free to talk and have it be loose.

01:12:41.000 No, I don't mind that.

01:12:42.000 If they do it when I want them to, right?

01:12:44.000 It's like, again, so the best salespeople in the world aren't the used car sales.

01:12:49.000 They're like, buy this, buy this.

01:12:50.000 Nobody does well.

01:12:51.000 The number one salesperson organization is the one who gets you to sell yourself.

01:12:56.000 They're bending over backwards to be like, I gotta do business with you, right?

01:12:59.000 You get someone to the point where, at the end, you don't have to hard close.

01:13:04.000 Every organization I work for, and I go in there and show you how to do sales training 101, it's going to be the person who gets The other person to sell themself.

01:13:13.000 That's what you do.

01:13:14.000 You lay the breadcrumbs into the trap.

01:13:15.000 The trap is not a bad thing, but the same thing happens in my show.

01:13:18.000 I am leading you in a certain direction.

01:13:22.000 Watch, I'll show you something.

01:13:23.000 How often is Jamie?

01:13:24.000 Jamie, when I walked in, I talked to him for like two minutes, said he loves magic.

01:13:28.000 He does.

01:13:29.000 Is that true?

01:13:30.000 Is Jamie off mic?

01:13:31.000 Yeah, what's up?

01:13:33.000 I didn't know I was going to do this.

01:13:35.000 You have daughters, correct?

01:13:37.000 Yes.

01:13:38.000 So, it's hard.

01:13:39.000 I have three girls, two boys, and I found when I named our girls, well, we named it together, obviously, the naming of the girls was far harder than the boys.

01:13:48.000 When you named your daughters, was it agreed upon?

01:13:52.000 Were you, like, shortlisted?

01:13:54.000 How did it go about?

01:13:55.000 Well, I feel like my wife did way more work than I did. 1.00

01:14:01.000 For sure.

01:14:01.000 So she carries the baby in her body.

01:14:04.000 And I said, listen, I would just want veto power.

01:14:07.000 Veto. 1.00

01:14:08.000 Where you can't name the kid applesauce or something fucking stupid. 1.00

01:14:11.000 I go, I don't think it's a fair proposition. 1.00

01:14:15.000 That's literally what I said. 0.97

01:14:17.000 And I don't give a fuck about names. 0.96

01:14:19.000 And they've got your name for last name, which is still not fair. 0.98

01:14:21.000 Right.

01:14:22.000 And so does she.

01:14:23.000 But my name is Joe. 1.00

01:14:25.000 It's a boring-ass, stupid name. 1.00

01:14:26.000 It doesn't bother me at all that I have the same name as a billion people. 1.00

01:14:30.000 So, for me, names don't mean anything.

01:14:32.000 And it meant something for her.

01:14:34.000 So I said, you decide.

01:14:35.000 So, watch this.

01:14:37.000 Do you know what the most common names are right now?

01:14:39.000 I know this recently.

01:14:41.000 Two-week-old.

01:14:42.000 But the most common names right now are not the same as when you were naming your daughters, is my guess, if they're teenagers.

01:14:47.000 Do you know what the most common name right now in America?

01:14:50.000 I think it's six years running.

01:14:51.000 You can look this up.

01:14:52.000 No, no, for girls.

01:14:54.000 For girls.

01:14:55.000 What is it?

01:14:55.000 No.

01:14:56.000 Olivia.

01:14:57.000 Can you look up top ten?

01:14:59.000 That's a beautiful name.

01:14:59.000 Look up.

01:15:00.000 It just came out.

01:15:00.000 Social Security.

01:15:01.000 I know this because, like I said, we were trying to figure out names.

01:15:04.000 Am I right?

01:15:04.000 It should be Olivia's number one.

01:15:08.000 Google top ten.

01:15:08.000 I don't know.

01:15:09.000 Who do you think of when you think of Olivia?

01:15:13.000 I thought initially of Olivia Wilde.

01:15:15.000 Who's Olivia Wilde? 0.81

01:15:16.000 Movie star.

01:15:19.000 Do you know who she is?

01:15:20.000 Oh, that lady. 1.00

01:15:21.000 Yeah.

01:15:21.000 Oh, she's great.

01:15:22.000 Yeah.

01:15:22.000 I thought of Olivia Newton-John.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, that's second.

01:15:24.000 That would have been second.

01:15:25.000 Physical.

01:15:26.000 Physical.

01:15:27.000 I performed for Olivia Wilde, never Olivia Newton-John.

01:15:29.000 Did you find out?

01:15:29.000 What did you get?

01:15:30.000 Yeah, do you want me to show you the list?

01:15:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:32.000 I just want to see.

01:15:32.000 It's not a trick.

01:15:33.000 Olivia's number one.

01:15:35.000 Emma.

01:15:36.000 Amelia.

01:15:36.000 Emma.

01:15:37.000 Charlotte.

01:15:37.000 Mia.

01:15:38.000 Sophia.

01:15:39.000 Isabelle.

01:15:40.000 Evelyn.

01:15:41.000 That's interesting.

01:15:42.000 I would have never imagined that.

01:15:42.000 Eight?

01:15:43.000 Right?

01:15:44.000 You did not hear those names when you were growing up.

01:15:44.000 Ava, nine.

01:15:47.000 There were probably no girls named Ava when you were a child.

01:15:50.000 No, none of any of these names.

01:15:51.000 Maybe Olivia, after Olivia Newton-John. 0.96

01:15:54.000 But that's crazy.

01:15:55.000 Sophia's number ten?

01:15:56.000 That's interesting.

01:15:57.000 And Sophia's spelled two different ways, so it's technically number one.

01:16:00.000 Oh, really?

01:16:00.000 Jamie.

01:16:01.000 If I ask you, okay.

01:16:03.000 Oh, that's right.

01:16:03.000 It is.

01:16:04.000 It's spelled P-H-N-F.

01:16:06.000 Wow.

01:16:07.000 Interesting that Sophia is number one, really.

01:16:10.000 Huh.

01:16:11.000 Harper?

01:16:12.000 What's Harper?

01:16:13.000 12?

01:16:13.000 11?

01:16:14.000 Camila.

01:16:15.000 Camila number 11?

01:16:17.000 That's nuts!

01:16:18.000 Eleanor?

01:16:19.000 Older names are coming back.

01:16:19.000 14?

01:16:19.000 Violet?

01:16:21.000 Really older names.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, that's like Eleanor. 0.79

01:16:24.000 It's like my friend Eleanor Kerrigan.

01:16:26.000 She's in her 50s.

01:16:33.000 Ileana's number 18?

01:16:35.000 That's crazy.

01:16:35.000 Didn't know that.

01:16:36.000 What are the odds?

01:16:37.000 Right? 1.00

01:16:38.000 What are the odds that I'm like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:16:43.000 Whose name's your kid that? 1.00

01:16:44.000 I think someone I know.

01:16:47.000 It's a beautiful name.

01:16:48.000 Love that name.

01:16:49.000 Love that name now.

01:16:50.000 It's not a bad name. 1.00

01:16:50.000 It's a beautiful name. 1.00

01:16:51.000 But it's like, I would have never thought it was that common.

01:16:54.000 So when you think of how this is happening, watch this.

01:16:58.000 Jamie, I ask you to come up with somebody absolutely random from your past.

01:17:03.000 Absolutely random.

01:17:04.000 I dug deep.

01:17:05.000 Okay.

01:17:06.000 You already got it?

01:17:06.000 Yeah.

01:17:07.000 You know what?

01:17:11.000 How do you know this person?

01:17:12.000 Oh, you shouldn't have said that.

01:17:14.000 Oh, you shouldn't have said a word.

01:17:15.000 What did you say?

01:17:16.000 It's from preschool.

01:17:17.000 Preschool?

01:17:17.000 Somebody in preschool.

01:17:18.000 You still keep in touch?

01:17:19.000 That's where I met him.

01:17:20.000 No.

01:17:21.000 She said to him.

01:17:21.000 Why do you say him and then her?

01:17:22.000 Sorry, I met them is what I guess I was trying to say.

01:17:24.000 This guy's playing a pronoun game. 0.95

01:17:26.000 What's going on here?

01:17:26.000 You know what?

01:17:27.000 No.

01:17:28.000 No, there's too many giveaways.

01:17:29.000 Just said it wasn't on the list, doesn't it?

01:17:30.000 Right.

01:17:31.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:17:32.000 Want to try again?

01:17:33.000 I'm going to do something better.

01:17:33.000 No, no.

01:17:34.000 This is a glitch in the matrix.

01:17:34.000 We'll switch.

01:17:36.000 Dude.

01:17:37.000 Jamie, close your eyes.

01:17:39.000 Close your eyes.

01:17:41.000 You gotta look?

01:17:42.000 Okay, so pretend you're closing your eyes.

01:17:43.000 I'm gonna put you on the spot.

01:17:45.000 It's not the preschool girl.

01:17:47.000 I want you to close your eyes, go back in time, and try to picture the face.

01:17:51.000 I always call this the one that got your first big crush.

01:17:55.000 Can you visualize her face or you can't see her clearly?

01:18:01.000 You asked me this before.

01:18:02.000 It's a tough question because the way you started wording, it was like, is this a...

01:18:10.000 There was TV people and stuff like that.

01:18:12.000 Oh, is it a TV person?

01:18:13.000 That's what it would have been, technically, I guess, yeah.

01:18:16.000 Your first crush was a TV person?

01:18:18.000 Sure, yeah, someone I saw on TV.

01:18:19.000 Is that right?

01:18:20.000 I think so.

01:18:21.000 Okay.

01:18:22.000 I guess, yeah.

01:18:23.000 I don't know.

01:18:23.000 Well, I don't know.

01:18:25.000 If I were to ask you to look up how popular this name is, well, no, I'm not going to do it again.

01:18:29.000 It's not Top Ten, is that correct?

01:18:30.000 Right, it wasn't.

01:18:31.000 Okay, hold on.

01:18:32.000 Look this way at me.

01:18:34.000 I want you, without using your fingers, to count the number of letters in this person's name.

01:18:39.000 The real name or the character's name?

01:18:41.000 I don't know if that matters.

01:18:43.000 I don't know.

01:18:44.000 I've never had a fictional character as my first crush.

01:18:46.000 This guy got weird.

01:18:48.000 I don't know.

01:18:48.000 Whatever name you went with.

01:18:50.000 Don't say it out loud.

01:18:51.000 I'll go with the fictional character's name.

01:18:53.000 Don't say it.

01:18:53.000 No, no.

01:18:54.000 Because to me, they weren't a real person then.

01:18:55.000 So, you know.

01:18:59.000 Oh, don't tell him.

01:19:01.000 Don't give me any more clues.

01:19:02.000 You're not going to figure it out.

01:19:03.000 You know what?

01:19:05.000 Do this.

01:19:06.000 Joe, I want you to see this.

01:19:07.000 Should we get a piece of paper right down?

01:19:09.000 There's mics everywhere.

01:19:10.000 Screw it.

01:19:11.000 Don't even write it down. 0.73

01:19:13.000 No, not you.

01:19:13.000 I was going to have him write it down.

01:19:16.000 Eight or nine.

01:19:17.000 Do me a favor.

01:19:18.000 Count again, but to yourself.

01:19:20.000 Don't do it out loud.

01:19:21.000 Count to yourself.

01:19:22.000 What, the letters?

01:19:23.000 Yeah, don't do it out loud.

01:19:24.000 Eight or nine wasn't the letters.

01:19:27.000 I'm so confused.

01:19:28.000 All right.

01:19:28.000 Good.

01:19:29.000 This got all over the place.

01:19:30.000 Jamie wants this to go wrong.

01:19:32.000 I do.

01:19:32.000 He does.

01:19:35.000 I don't know if this is the real name or the fake name anymore, but before today, and me asking you to think of this person, be honest.

01:19:42.000 Yep.

01:19:43.000 Would it have been days, months, or literally years before today since this person even crossed your thoughts?

01:19:50.000 Honestly, this would have been a couple months.

01:19:52.000 A couple months.

01:19:53.000 Could Joe know it?

01:19:54.000 No.

01:19:55.000 All right.

01:19:56.000 Mix up the letters and stop like Scrabble tiles.

01:20:01.000 Freeze and grab out a letter somewhere in the name.

01:20:04.000 Maybe grab one out of the middle.

01:20:05.000 Okay.

01:20:06.000 You got it?

01:20:06.000 Sure.

01:20:08.000 He did two and he switched.

01:20:09.000 I was trying to look to you.

01:20:10.000 No, no, you did shifty eyes.

01:20:11.000 He did this one and then this one.

01:20:12.000 You didn't do a vowel, did you?

01:20:14.000 I don't know.

01:20:15.000 Well, you can tell me.

01:20:16.000 Yes, I did.

01:20:16.000 You did a vowel after all that?

01:20:18.000 A-E-I-O-U, look at me. 1.00

01:20:19.000 And you went to the end.

01:20:19.000 That's the first one I picked.

01:20:22.000 Do you think the last letter?

01:20:24.000 The last letter is a vowel though, isn't it?

01:20:24.000 No.

01:20:28.000 Sometimes.

01:20:29.000 It is.

01:20:30.000 Here we go.

01:20:31.000 Sometimes Y?

01:20:32.000 Yeah, that's the only way it's sometimes a vowel.

01:20:35.000 A-E-I-O-U and sometimes Y. Take a look.

01:20:40.000 Don't say it, don't say it.

01:20:41.000 Okay.

01:20:44.000 I don't know.

01:20:45.000 This is, who knows?

01:20:48.000 Was it nine letters?

01:20:49.000 The name is nine letters long, isn't it?

01:20:51.000 The real person's name is nine letters, do you think?

01:20:54.000 Yeah, and he hadn't thought of this person in months.

01:20:57.000 It doesn't in a vowel.

01:20:59.000 I saw it, and you switched to one.

01:20:59.000 I know.

01:21:01.000 And I wrote this down.

01:21:02.000 Joe, you see it, right?

01:21:03.000 No trick here.

01:21:03.000 I can't change it.

01:21:04.000 No BS.

01:21:05.000 What's her name, this first crush?

01:21:06.000 Saw her on TV.

01:21:07.000 Her real name is Christine.

01:21:08.000 Christine is what I wrote down.

01:21:10.000 Christine is what I wrote down.

01:21:12.000 Her fake name is Melody from Hey Dude.

01:21:14.000 You don't have to tell me.

01:21:15.000 I know.

01:21:16.000 Christine Taylor.

01:21:18.000 How did you know?

01:21:23.000 Right now, right now.

01:21:24.000 Here's what I want to try.

01:21:24.000 I want to try this.

01:21:25.000 Joe, how many people? 0.99

01:21:27.000 What the fuck just happened? 0.99

01:21:29.000 Wait, where did I put this? 1.00

01:21:30.000 Are you an alien?

01:21:31.000 Hold on.

01:21:31.000 Do you work for the CIA?

01:21:32.000 I got to take a leak like crazy, too.

01:21:33.000 You do?

01:21:34.000 Where's the bag?

01:21:35.000 Dude, I drank like two gators before I got in here after the run.

01:21:38.000 What bag?

01:21:38.000 That was a mistake.

01:21:39.000 There's a bag.

01:21:40.000 Oh, I didn't bring it.

01:21:42.000 Why don't you go pee and get your bag?

01:21:42.000 You didn't bring it?

01:21:43.000 No, no, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it.

01:21:45.000 Look, I want you to do this.

01:21:47.000 I put together...

01:21:50.000 Joe.

01:21:50.000 Take these.

01:21:51.000 Okay.

01:21:52.000 50 people, chat GPT.

01:21:54.000 Okay.

01:21:54.000 Look through that list.

01:21:56.000 Okay.

01:21:58.000 And these are all people, I didn't make this up, I just wrote them down.

01:22:01.000 Who have been on the show multiple times.

01:22:01.000 Okay.

01:22:04.000 Right.

01:22:05.000 And that, how would I describe this?

01:22:08.000 My guess is you have a personal connection.

01:22:10.000 You know these people.

01:22:12.000 Is that a fair assessment?

01:22:13.000 Rattle off, if there's anybody in there that you feel is not, fits the bill, or you don't talk to them anymore, throw it away.

01:22:18.000 I don't care.

01:22:19.000 Okay.

01:22:20.000 Yeah, I know all these people.

01:22:21.000 You know these people?

01:22:22.000 Okay.

01:22:22.000 Mm-hmm.

01:22:22.000 Sure.

01:22:23.000 Not a trick.

01:22:24.000 I'm not going to guess who it is.

01:22:25.000 I wrote the list.

01:22:26.000 I know who they all are.

01:22:27.000 Got it.

01:22:27.000 I don't care.

01:22:28.000 You want to do something.

01:22:28.000 You want to mix them.

01:22:29.000 I don't care.

01:22:29.000 Whatever you want to do.

01:22:30.000 Once you mix them up or whatever you want to do, put them in front of you, please.

01:22:30.000 Okay.

01:22:33.000 Like a pile.

01:22:34.000 Term kind of Okay.

01:22:39.000 Kind of put them in front of you.

01:22:41.000 Okay.

01:22:41.000 Kind of turn them sideways.

01:22:42.000 Well, I want to see what you're doing.

01:22:42.000 Turn them sideways?

01:22:44.000 Okay.

01:22:46.000 And I think we're going to do this together.

01:22:47.000 I don't know if I'm going to reach over or not.

01:22:48.000 Okay.

01:22:49.000 Here's what I want you to do.

01:22:50.000 Okay.

01:22:50.000 I want you to take, I'm going to do it with you, is I want you to lift off like a chunk.

01:22:55.000 A chunk, okay.

01:22:56.000 Yeah, like a chunk, and put the chunk over. 0.71

01:22:59.000 No, no, no, like next to you.

01:22:59.000 Over here?

01:23:01.000 Okay.

01:23:01.000 Like, I don't know.

01:23:02.000 How do I, can I move over with the mic or no?

01:23:05.000 Yeah, just come over here.

01:23:06.000 Yeah.

01:23:08.000 Take the headphones off.

01:23:09.000 Should I take them off or leave them on?

01:23:10.000 Take them off.

01:23:11.000 Take this.

01:23:12.000 Take this.

01:23:13.000 Okay.

01:23:14.000 Well, take the piece, and I want you to take, and the same way that I'm making a bunch of chunks like this.

01:23:18.000 Uh-huh.

01:23:19.000 I want you to take, and I want you to be in charge of this.

01:23:22.000 So take these ones.

01:23:22.000 Okay.

01:23:23.000 And would you agree that's pretty randomized?

01:23:25.000 Very randomized.

01:23:26.000 Okay.

01:23:27.000 And I want to assess, right now, there's five of them.

01:23:30.000 Is take one of the piles.

01:23:30.000 Okay.

01:23:32.000 Okay.

01:23:33.000 And put it, like, which other pile are you going with?

01:23:36.000 Another pile?

01:23:37.000 Like, point to another one.

01:23:38.000 Okay, this one?

01:23:39.000 How about this one?

01:23:40.000 Yeah, perfect.

01:23:40.000 And I want you, don't show me.

01:23:42.000 Okay.

01:23:42.000 I want you, like, grab that one.

01:23:45.000 The card.

01:23:45.000 All right.

01:23:46.000 The card on top?

01:23:47.000 Whatever you want.

01:23:48.000 Take it, grab it, and look at that person's name.

01:23:50.000 Okay.

01:23:50.000 And don't let me see it.

01:23:51.000 How likely, if you were to text this person, do you think would they answer?

01:23:56.000 100%.

01:23:57.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:23:57.000 Oh, you sure?

01:23:59.000 Most of the list was a guy.

01:24:00.000 Guys, is it a guy?

01:24:01.000 Yeah.

01:24:02.000 Not judging.

01:24:03.000 A lot of dudes on the show.

01:24:04.000 Put them all back together.

01:24:05.000 Let's assess this.

01:24:05.000 Okay.

01:24:07.000 I don't want to know who it is.

01:24:07.000 I don't care who it is.

01:24:09.000 I want to see if they're not going to answer.

01:24:10.000 I would tell you to text somebody new.

01:24:12.000 Text this person in your own words and say, I don't know, got a minute, need a favor.

01:24:18.000 And see if he texts back.

01:24:20.000 If he doesn't, we go to somebody new.

01:24:22.000 We'll give it like, I don't know, 15-20 minutes.

01:24:24.000 Okay.

01:24:25.000 Can I tell him what's going on?

01:24:27.000 I would hedge and not say yet because I want to see where he goes with it.

01:24:32.000 Because if you tell him, like, I don't care, but I want to keep this very...

01:24:39.000 Okay.

01:24:40.000 Should I tell him to text me back?

01:24:43.000 Yeah, I guess text me back.

01:24:44.000 That works.

01:24:45.000 Hey, brother, do me a favor and text me back as soon as you get this.

01:24:49.000 It's going to sound like someone's dying, but okay.

01:24:51.000 The world depends on it.

01:24:54.000 Okay.

01:24:55.000 All right, and put it down.

01:24:56.000 We'll revisit later.

01:25:01.000 Pressures.

01:25:02.000 Let's check back in a few minutes.

01:25:02.000 Let's see.

01:25:04.000 Will it vibrate if you did?

01:25:04.000 Okay.

01:25:06.000 No, I have it on do not disturb, but I'll take it off.

01:25:09.000 There we go.

01:25:10.000 Okay.

01:25:13.000 He's very busy, so he might not be in front of his phone.

01:25:16.000 No worries.

01:25:17.000 If it doesn't go, we'll give it some time.

01:25:19.000 And if not, we'll switch gears.

01:25:21.000 Okay.

01:25:21.000 But turn your phone face down so you don't think I can see it.

01:25:23.000 I don't want to know who, what, where.

01:25:25.000 Alrighty.

01:25:26.000 We'll revisit.

01:25:26.000 We'll come back.

01:25:27.000 I'll put it on my lap so I feel it when it vibrates.

01:25:29.000 I'll pee later.

01:25:30.000 I'm holding it in, though.

01:25:32.000 I knew the Joe Rogan effect.

01:25:36.000 Okay.

01:25:39.000 We're just going to sit here and wait for him?

01:25:40.000 No, no, no.

01:25:41.000 We'll check back in later. 0.88

01:25:42.000 That seems ridiculous. 0.83

01:25:43.000 Is it? 0.95

01:25:43.000 Yeah, because he could be working out. 0.95

01:25:45.000 So if we get it, it's meant to be.

01:25:45.000 He could be doing anything.

01:25:48.000 We'll see.

01:25:48.000 Okay.

01:25:49.000 It's not pressing.

01:25:50.000 You have an idea who it is?

01:25:51.000 I don't know.

01:25:52.000 I can look through the list again.

01:25:54.000 It's not Cam Haynes, is it, after you said all that?

01:25:56.000 Is someone popping into your head?

01:25:57.000 I'm not going to guess who it is.

01:25:58.000 Not at all?

01:25:59.000 No, because here's the reason why.

01:26:00.000 if we reveal stuff, I don't want you to.

01:26:02.000 If, if I guess like something very specific about this person that will like, Oh, you're going to guess his, too?

01:26:11.000 I don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I don't want...

01:26:16.000 So I prefer if nobody knows yet, but if we want to...

01:26:22.000 Okay.

01:26:23.000 Take it to the next level.

01:26:25.000 Jamie's in the room.

01:26:26.000 But what if we could just get anyone who you could have picked?

01:26:26.000 Right.

01:26:29.000 Anybody you know.

01:26:30.000 Now it's different.

01:26:30.000 Right.

01:26:31.000 Right.

01:26:32.000 Now it's never been done before.

01:26:33.000 You ask me, what do I wake up with thinking about?

01:26:33.000 Right.

01:26:35.000 How could I do this?

01:26:37.000 Yeah, how are you going to do this?

01:26:38.000 I don't know.

01:26:39.000 Let's see if it works.

01:26:40.000 Let's see if it works.

01:26:44.000 He did?

01:26:45.000 Okay.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:47.000 Here's the thing.

01:26:48.000 I think that if I were you, I'd say later, well, texting, what if somebody saw something?

01:26:53.000 No, no, no.

01:26:54.000 Don't give any clues yet.

01:26:54.000 I have an idea.

01:26:57.000 there's microphones everywhere we just asked him to think of his first crush but he did like someone fictional Maybe say I'm in the middle of a show.

01:27:08.000 Okay.

01:27:09.000 Okay.

01:27:10.000 And say, we're doing a bit.

01:27:14.000 Do you want to call him?

01:27:15.000 Because if you're texting this, do you want to call him or do you want to text him?

01:27:18.000 Well, if I call him, people are going to hear his voice.

01:27:20.000 No, but what if you call him and you just go over there?

01:27:22.000 Which one's better to you?

01:27:23.000 Which one's more impossible?

01:27:24.000 Where later you go, there's just no freaking way.

01:27:26.000 Is it better if he texts you or is it better if he calls you?

01:27:29.000 What do you think is just more impossible?

01:27:31.000 I could have him call me.

01:27:33.000 Yeah.

01:27:34.000 Have him call you in a second.

01:27:34.000 Why not?

01:27:34.000 Do this.

01:27:36.000 You'll go over there where there's no microphone.

01:27:38.000 And I want you to ask this guy the same question I asked Jamie.

01:27:43.000 Do you remember the name of the first grill you had a big crush on?

01:27:48.000 And sometimes people don't remember.

01:27:49.000 I just want you to know I've done this a lot.

01:27:51.000 Should I ask him that?

01:27:51.000 Not yet.

01:27:52.000 I would do it on the phone.

01:27:54.000 Okay. 0.97

01:27:54.000 Yeah, screw it. 0.97

01:27:54.000 Ask him that. 0.97

01:27:55.000 Okay, do...

01:28:03.000 I should have just did it with voice.

01:28:05.000 No, no.

01:28:05.000 Well, yeah.

01:28:07.000 Nobody's listening to this, I'm sure.

01:28:09.000 No, but I mean it's quicker.

01:28:17.000 Don't tell me what he says.

01:28:18.000 Okay.

01:28:19.000 If he says no, a lot of people don't remember this question.

01:28:21.000 Okay.

01:28:21.000 So then I hedge and I go, well, who's the first girl you ever kissed?

01:28:25.000 But make sure there's absolutely no way I can see what's on your phone right now.

01:28:25.000 Let's see.

01:28:28.000 You can't see. 1.00

01:28:29.000 You can't see, bitch. 1.00

01:28:29.000 Boom, get that tight. 1.00

01:28:32.000 Just get mad.

01:28:33.000 Okay.

01:28:34.000 Does he know or he doesn't know?

01:28:35.000 He knows?

01:28:36.000 Yep, right away.

01:28:37.000 Did he tell you?

01:28:37.000 Yep.

01:28:38.000 Yep. 0.99

01:28:38.000 No shit. 0.99

01:28:39.000 Ask him, is it the same as the first girl he ever kissed? 1.00

01:28:41.000 Ask him, is it the same as the first girl he ever kissed?

01:28:51.000 Okay.

01:28:52.000 See what he says.

01:28:53.000 Here we go.

01:28:56.000 No.

01:28:57.000 Does he remember her name, too?

01:28:59.000 Okay.

01:29:00.000 Here we go.

01:29:07.000 *laughs*

01:29:11.000 Yep.

01:29:12.000 Two weeks ago, right?

01:29:13.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:29:15.000 Put away.

01:29:15.000 You have two names in your head.

01:29:16.000 Okay.

01:29:17.000 Can we establish the fact that you have 50 people that have been on your show?

01:29:22.000 That you took anybody.

01:29:22.000 Yes.

01:29:23.000 Right.

01:29:24.000 If this person would have texted back, text somebody else.

01:29:26.000 I don't care who it is.

01:29:27.000 There is no conceivable way.

01:29:27.000 Right.

01:29:28.000 This isn't a bank that gave you a number.

01:29:31.000 Right.

01:29:31.000 And if he didn't know who it is, we would have done something different.

01:29:33.000 I don't care.

01:29:34.000 Put the phone away.

01:29:35.000 Okay.

01:29:36.000 How am I going to do this?

01:29:38.000 How are you going to do this?

01:29:39.000 How am I going to do this?

01:29:40.000 And he said, what happens when it goes wrong?

01:29:40.000 Right?

01:29:41.000 Nothing.

01:29:42.000 I'm not getting paid to be here.

01:29:43.000 I don't care.

01:29:44.000 You're freaking me out.

01:29:46.000 Think of both names.

01:29:47.000 They're different.

01:29:48.000 He had two different people.

01:29:49.000 Yes.

01:29:50.000 The same way that you did 2020 and you didn't know, think of both names and I want you to juggle back and forth between the two.

01:29:56.000 The first kiss and the first crush.

01:29:58.000 Okay.

01:29:59.000 And is one name more interesting to you or like they're equal?

01:30:04.000 Or is one any more interesting or not really?

01:30:07.000 Not really.

01:30:08.000 Okay, so if you gravitate, I would have been like, go to one.

01:30:10.000 Okay.

01:30:12.000 Count the number of letters in the first crush.

01:30:16.000 To yourself.

01:30:16.000 Don't use your fingers.

01:30:17.000 I can see.

01:30:17.000 Count the number of letters to yourself for the first crush.

01:30:19.000 I'd do that to psych you out.

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 I'd start doing those.

01:30:23.000 And then count the number of letters in the first kiss.

01:30:27.000 Oh, you looked up.

01:30:29.000 Interesting.

01:30:33.000 They're not equal.

01:30:34.000 Can you agree with me?

01:30:35.000 They're not the same amount of letters, are they?

01:30:37.000 No, they're not.

01:30:37.000 No, see, because you'd have the same reaction.

01:30:40.000 Do you know when you put somebody in a polygraph test?

01:30:42.000 Have you ever been polygraphed?

01:30:43.000 No.

01:30:44.000 They can't just ask you the questions right away.

01:30:46.000 They can't because they first have to get your benchmark.

01:30:49.000 Same way blood doping, you've got to test someone's blood against their blood.

01:30:53.000 People have different amounts of testosterone naturally.

01:30:55.000 So I had to see how you would do each one.

01:30:58.000 And then you did the thing with the eyes to throw me off.

01:31:01.000 The first crush, Is that name shorter than the first kiss?

01:31:08.000 Yes.

01:31:08.000 Yeah.

01:31:09.000 Go to the first crush.

01:31:10.000 I'm going to go with that one.

01:31:11.000 Less work for me.

01:31:12.000 Okay.

01:31:13.000 One more time.

01:31:13.000 Count the letters.

01:31:14.000 And you were trying to avoid it.

01:31:14.000 Okay.

01:31:16.000 Is that name six letters?

01:31:16.000 Six letters.

01:31:19.000 Yes.

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:21.000 Mix up all the letters.

01:31:23.000 Okay.

01:31:23.000 In that first crush's name.

01:31:24.000 Forget the first kiss.

01:31:25.000 Scrap it.

01:31:26.000 Okay.

01:31:27.000 Pick any one in your head.

01:31:29.000 You got one?

01:31:30.000 Got it.

01:31:31.000 Jamie.

01:31:32.000 Gave me a gift on a platter.

01:31:34.000 Thought of a vowel.

01:31:35.000 When he did that, it was 100% you wouldn't pick a vowel later.

01:31:38.000 You didn't do a vowel in the name, did you?

01:31:40.000 No.

01:31:41.000 Dude, I'm here for a reason, right?

01:31:42.000 I haven't done this.

01:31:43.000 I've been doing this for a long time.

01:31:45.000 Right.

01:31:45.000 Told you.

01:31:46.000 Goal is to be the best in the world at this.

01:31:47.000 Okay.

01:31:47.000 I have watched.

01:31:48.000 I know everything you just did.

01:31:50.000 Do you think of the second letter?

01:31:50.000 Second letter.

01:31:52.000 I will.

01:31:53.000 M. Amanda.

01:31:54.000 Is the name Amanda?

01:31:55.000 Yes. 1.00

01:31:58.000 What the fuck did you just do? 1.00

01:31:59.000 And you will talk about this. 1.00

01:32:01.000 For years.

01:32:02.000 Hold on a second.

01:32:03.000 I'm texting him back.

01:32:08.000 Can you figure out the second one?

01:32:09.000 No, I'm done, man.

01:32:10.000 Come on.

01:32:12.000 You do your closer, you drop the mic, and you pick the mic back up?

01:32:12.000 Showbiz.

01:32:16.000 Do you want to know who it was?

01:32:16.000 Never.

01:32:17.000 No, I don't want to know. 0.99

01:32:20.000 My friend said, you're a witch. 1.00

01:32:22.000 And he said, kill him now. 1.00

01:32:25.000 Definitely a comedian. 1.00

01:32:26.000 Definitely a comedian after that.

01:32:28.000 It's definitely a comedian.

01:32:29.000 It might not be.

01:32:30.000 I hang out with a lot of weird people.

01:32:31.000 Yeah.

01:32:36.000 I don't know how to go back to conversation mode.

01:32:38.000 Am I right?

01:32:38.000 I got pissed like a racer.

01:32:39.000 What do I do?

01:32:40.000 Go pee.

01:32:41.000 Do I pee?

01:32:41.000 Do we keep going?

01:32:43.000 Do we go strong?

01:32:44.000 With this?

01:32:44.000 No, I'm just saying we'll recalibrate.

01:32:46.000 We definitely can pee.

01:32:47.000 It's always easier to pee.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:48.000 Is that alright?

01:32:49.000 No, it's perfect because you don't want to...

01:32:54.000 Alright, I'm going to take a quick break.

01:32:54.000 We'll take a quick break.

01:32:55.000 We'll be right back.

01:32:55.000 Rapid fire.

01:32:56.000 Are we back?

01:32:57.000 We're back.

01:32:58.000 Lightning.

01:32:59.000 I feel like brand new.

01:33:01.000 I know the feeling.

01:33:02.000 I was sitting on it.

01:33:03.000 You rehydrate.

01:33:04.000 And I drank so much Gatorade right before and I was like, oh, party foul.

01:33:06.000 Should have thought that one through.

01:33:08.000 27 miles.

01:33:09.000 You deserve a little Gatorade.

01:33:11.000 So do you want to know who it was yet?

01:33:14.000 It's up to you.

01:33:14.000 I like hanging a hanging thread, but it's up to you.

01:33:17.000 But what is the purpose of hanging the thread?

01:33:19.000 No, tell us at the end.

01:33:21.000 Can you tell me who it is?

01:33:22.000 I could, but come on.

01:33:23.000 What do you think it is?

01:33:24.000 No, I'll tell you at the end.

01:33:25.000 Okay.

01:33:26.000 You already gave the comedian.

01:33:27.000 You said this.

01:33:28.000 I didn't say comedian.

01:33:28.000 No, it's a comedian.

01:33:30.000 Kill him. 1.00

01:33:30.000 He's a witch. 1.00

01:33:31.000 100%. 0.99

01:33:33.000 That's not Ben Shapiro.

01:33:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:33:36.000 Did you say witch?

01:33:37.000 Did he tell you?

01:33:39.000 No, no, no.

01:33:39.000 I took the quickest pee of my life.

01:33:41.000 I raced over there. 1.00

01:33:42.000 No, I didn't tell him shit. 1.00

01:33:42.000 You didn't tell him? 1.00

01:33:43.000 No, I don't want him to know. 0.99

01:33:44.000 Do you think that there's people that knew this shit back in the days of witches? 0.98

01:33:47.000 They figured out some of the powers, maybe? 0.97

01:33:49.000 I think that 100% psychics of the past used a lot of the same techniques I'm using.

01:33:55.000 Because when I watch psychics, and people always tell me at certain things, they tell me like, oh, you know, I saw a psychic do this and this and this.

01:34:02.000 And I hear it and I go to myself, you know, I could do that same trick and I could...

01:34:07.000 But think about it.

01:34:08.000 I'm doing this right now with an ethical compass versus if I go, oh, I'm getting this and I thought about this and this is what happened with your dad and you're like, oh my God, you know, I'm like, oh, it's only 25 grand more to have a private session.

01:34:17.000 Let's talk to him a little bit more.

01:34:19.000 Right?

01:34:20.000 I'm not saying there's nobody psychic.

01:34:22.000 I'm telling you that a lot of the psychics that I'm watching, I'm like, I know how you're doing that.

01:34:26.000 That was my other question.

01:34:28.000 Have you caught anyone trying to get some stuff by you?

01:34:30.000 Like, I don't know.

01:34:31.000 Like a psychic, you mean?

01:34:32.000 Not a psychic.

01:34:33.000 You're buying a car and someone's trying to pull some trickling.

01:34:35.000 You're like, I know what you're about to do here.

01:34:37.000 100%.

01:34:37.000 Not a shameless plug, but I literally wrote a book.

01:34:41.000 It's coming out in October where it's all about, it's called Read Your Mind.

01:34:43.000 And it's not me telling you how to be a mentalist because 99.9% of people don't want to guess a first crush.

01:34:49.000 It's not useful to you in your life.

01:34:52.000 But what if you could read people more effectively to help you in your life, at home, at work, in relationships?

01:35:07.000 For sure.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 Yeah, I mean, you must be great at all kinds of things because of this.

01:35:12.000 I don't know about that.

01:35:12.000 Anything dealing with human beings.

01:35:14.000 Right, negotiating.

01:35:15.000 Oh, I imagine.

01:35:16.000 I've never sold a property at a loss, let's just say that.

01:35:19.000 It's been pretty good so far.

01:35:20.000 You get in there, you're like, I won't take a dollar less.

01:35:22.000 I'm like, I know you will.

01:35:23.000 I know you will.

01:35:26.000 That's funny.

01:35:28.000 That's funny.

01:35:29.000 What a weird skill to have.

01:35:30.000 Right?

01:35:31.000 What's a good book?

01:35:32.000 A good book?

01:35:33.000 To read on this.

01:35:34.000 Well, on becoming a mentalist?

01:35:36.000 On any of these skills.

01:35:36.000 Yes.

01:35:38.000 Like, what did you start with?

01:35:39.000 Do you remember the book you started with?

01:35:41.000 Do you mean if you want to learn how to do mentalism?

01:35:43.000 Do you remember the book that you started with when you first started learning this stuff?

01:35:46.000 So the first book I started reading was a book called 13 Steps to Mentalism.

01:35:51.000 But man, is it going to be tough for most people because it was written in the 1920s.

01:35:55.000 So it's kind of like, you know, it's like watching an old movie.

01:35:58.000 No offense to old movies, but I'm like, oh, it's hard to get into this with my attention span now because it's antiquated.

01:36:03.000 Some of it still applies, but you have to really do a big reach to know how do I apply this?

01:36:08.000 Because back then there were no TVs or no phones.

01:36:10.000 There's no, it's just, that's what I started with, but I had to learn the hard way.

01:36:15.000 So much of what I do now is, again, I told you, is I don't really do what other people do.

01:36:21.000 Because I don't know how to explain.

01:36:23.000 They create different, right?

01:36:25.000 If you were building a house and you have all these tools, you're going to build using your tools.

01:36:29.000 Does that make sense?

01:36:30.000 So I've got this set of tools.

01:36:31.000 I knew a hammer does this.

01:36:33.000 I do that.

01:36:33.000 I create what the house already built.

01:36:35.000 So my vision, again, and what's been a differentiating feature, is I build with the person at the end in mind.

01:36:43.000 And I already know what the house is going to be.

01:36:45.000 I know what you're going to say.

01:36:45.000 I know what the memory.

01:36:48.000 Did you ever watch that channel?

01:36:48.000 CNBC.

01:36:49.000 I try not to.

01:36:51.000 So CNBC, Fox Business are financial channels.

01:36:55.000 I have been on those channels dozens of times.

01:36:58.000 How many other mentalists or magicians have ever been on them?

01:37:01.000 Zero.

01:37:02.000 Why is that?

01:37:03.000 Because it's unusual.

01:37:05.000 That's a serious network.

01:37:06.000 Why do you put me on?

01:37:07.000 Because I do stuff around the markets.

01:37:10.000 And so if you're watching it, you buy in because my stuff's about stock market, interest rates, all stuff.

01:37:14.000 And it's like, this is crazy, but it had to do with stuff I know.

01:37:17.000 So the same thing when I do ESPN, I'm creating from a different perspective than most.

01:37:22.000 I customize the content.

01:37:24.000 Like when I do a corporate event, I learn in and out your business.

01:37:27.000 And when I go up there, I sneak in the medicine.

01:37:31.000 You're actually, your people aren't just seeing a show, they're getting messaging and they're getting it in a way where they don't tune out because they don't realize they're being spoken to.

01:37:40.000 It's mostly entertainment.

01:37:41.000 But boom, I planted those thoughts.

01:37:43.000 And you leave there with, you know, what's the product launch?

01:37:45.000 All those things are now internalized and remembered.

01:37:45.000 What's this?

01:37:49.000 And this 13 Steps, you said it was written in the 1920s?

01:37:53.000 Oh, fact check me, but I think it was the 20s.

01:37:55.000 What did this guy do?

01:37:56.000 What was his job?

01:37:57.000 He was a mentalist?

01:37:58.000 Yeah, but there were no mentalists back then.

01:38:00.000 There were just a few people, but they were telling you the skills of psychics.

01:38:03.000 They were showing you how psychics did stuff, and it wasn't really debunking, but they're showing you all the tools, the 13 Steps.

01:38:10.000 Like, what are the ways that we can read people more effectively, and what are the tricks of the trade of what we do?

01:38:16.000 Right?

01:38:17.000 Like, how do you...

01:38:21.000 And you're counting the letters, you know, because to me, you might as well be playing drums.

01:38:26.000 Do you understand what I'm saying?

01:38:27.000 Like if you're playing drums and I have an ear for it, I can hear the beats.

01:38:30.000 So once you learn how to do certain things, they build on top.

01:38:33.000 I can, if you're counting letters, like again, names are anywhere from three to 12 letters.

01:38:38.000 It's not rocket science for me to figure it out.

01:38:40.000 And again, I can't do it in a vacuum.

01:38:42.000 If you turned your back and said, I'm not, no, I'm not doing anything.

01:38:44.000 Again, if you controlled the environment, I can't do it as well.

01:38:49.000 It goes back to that fear thing.

01:38:49.000 Right.

01:38:50.000 If I started messing up right now, you'd be like, oh, it's getting awkward.

01:38:53.000 And you would pull back and I wouldn't be in control anymore.

01:38:57.000 Right.

01:38:58.000 So, like, a lot of what I'm doing is I'm, you know, showing you how I can read you, but also you're allowing yourself to be read.

01:39:06.000 So, like, when you're saying count the letters, you can see me counting them.

01:39:06.000 Right.

01:39:10.000 I can see when you're counting.

01:39:11.000 I can see when you try to throw me off the count.

01:39:13.000 It's like a poker player.

01:39:14.000 A poker player knows if you really have aces, pocket aces, or you have 2-4 and you're bluffing.

01:39:18.000 The best ones do.

01:39:21.000 Which brings the question up, why don't I play poker more?

01:39:23.000 Yeah, why don't you play poker?

01:39:25.000 It's too boring.

01:39:29.000 That's a grind, man.

01:39:30.000 I'd rather make money doing this.

01:39:31.000 It's you with this one and a half speed.

01:39:33.000 Your whole life is one and a half speed.

01:39:35.000 That's wild.

01:39:36.000 That's really interesting.

01:39:38.000 I'm fascinated.

01:39:39.000 No, I think I want to read one of those books.

01:39:41.000 I'm going to probably get that one.

01:39:42.000 I'm going to send you one.

01:39:43.000 I'll try and find a better one.

01:39:44.000 Well, that one seems interesting, too, because I want to read the origins.

01:39:47.000 I want to read it when it first started out.

01:39:49.000 What was it like in 1920?

01:39:51.000 What did he learn and where did he learn it?

01:39:54.000 Is this it?

01:39:54.000 You find it?

01:39:55.000 ish or so.

01:39:55.000 Yeah.

01:39:56.000 Oh, This is the guy?

01:40:00.000 So he's born in 1930s.

01:40:00.000 Yeah.

01:40:02.000 Oh, and I screwed this up.

01:40:02.000 It was in 1920s.

01:40:03.000 So no, the other one's 13 Steps.

01:40:05.000 There's another one by Theodore Annaman.

01:40:06.000 Look at this.

01:40:06.000 He did not make his birthplace public.

01:40:08.000 Oh, you fucking sneaky bitch. 1.00

01:40:10.000 He's a sneaky bitch. 1.00

01:40:11.000 He's a first mentalist, and he's sneaky. 1.00

01:40:13.000 Though it was believed to have been Mill Hill suburb of London for unknown reasons, he renamed himself Tony Cornida.

01:40:21.000 Corinda.

01:40:22.000 So he's born Thomas William Simpson, and he renamed himself, for some reason, Tony Corinda, a variation of the surname Conrady, when he began working as a mentalist.

01:40:32.000 In 1950, he opened up a shop where he sold all manner of stage magic goods, but catered especially to mentalists.

01:40:39.000 He later took over the magic shop on Oxford Street.

01:40:42.000 The shop was at street level and thus catered mainly to the regular public so that many of the items sold were either practical jokes or beginner's tricks.

01:40:49.000 But items for semi-professional magicians and hobbyists were also sold.

01:40:53.000 Around the same period, Corinda had the magic concession in Hambly's Toy Shop on Regent Street.

01:41:01.000 Interesting.

01:41:02.000 So the book, 13 Steps to Mentalism, was in 1961.

01:41:06.000 So he wrote a series of 13 booklets on mentalism between 1956 and 1958, each one dealing with a different aspect of mentalism or allied art.

01:41:16.000 Interesting.

01:41:17.000 I'm getting you a copy.

01:41:19.000 I'll buy it.

01:41:21.000 Is it reprinted?

01:41:22.000 Or is it one of those ones you have to buy?

01:41:23.000 No, it's definitely reprinted.

01:41:24.000 And see, it's since come to be the Essential Mentalism reference book.

01:41:28.000 But again, you're going to have a big problem because you're going to read that book and if you make it through to the end, which God bless you if you can, you're going to be like, yeah, but how the hell did you do all this stuff?

01:41:36.000 You're going to get to the end of it and be like, so that's baby steps.

01:41:40.000 And then you've got to get to the next level.

01:41:42.000 I'm not thinking I'm going to get all the information from that, but I'm curious as to like...

01:41:42.000 Oh, sure.

01:41:47.000 Like, how did this guy devise these things?

01:41:49.000 Like, how did he figure it out?

01:41:51.000 Psychics.

01:41:51.000 So it's, again, people with psychics want to believe.

01:41:55.000 Anyone who's in that room who paid that money to hear psychic has someone they've lost and they want something with them.

01:42:00.000 Do you believe in any psychic powers at all?

01:42:04.000 So, again, I'm not like a debunker because I'm kind of like agnostic in this thing, which is I just believe what I've seen so far.

01:42:11.000 And in a lot of instances, I've never personally experienced something that I couldn't explain yet.

01:42:17.000 But a lot of people have told me their experiences.

01:42:19.000 Have you heard of the telepathy tapes?

01:42:21.000 Yeah, so that...

01:42:22.000 I know you had her in here, but that's... 1.00

01:42:26.000 I mean, come on.

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 That's wild.

01:42:28.000 No, no.

01:42:29.000 I'm the opposite.

01:42:29.000 I do not think that's real.

01:42:30.000 Oh.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:31.000 Oh, really?

01:42:32.000 No.

01:42:32.000 Why?

01:42:33.000 Tell me about the videos.

01:42:35.000 Can we show the videos?

01:42:36.000 Well, I don't know if he's got the paywall.

01:42:38.000 Again, I don't want to be controversial, but they're holding, in many instances, in that form of communication, the person who knows the information is holding the letters.

01:42:50.000 Do you understand what I'm saying?

01:42:51.000 So right now, if I had shown you a word, and you're either touching somebody, do you know what a two-person code act is?

01:42:58.000 No.

01:42:59.000 So a two-person code act is like a mentalist thing with two people.

01:43:02.000 There's a few that are the best in the world, Avacyn's, Mine to Mine in Dubai, like a few really good ones who've done this.

01:43:08.000 And what they do is they can be blindfolded in a different area, and anything you hand to them, anything you say, the other person knows it.

01:43:15.000 No electronics, no nothing.

01:43:17.000 They just look at your credit card and they'll guess the credit card numbers.

01:43:19.000 And the way that's being done is they're communicating to each other based on It's the best codec ever without speaking.

01:43:29.000 And you'll watch it and you'll be like, there's no way they're communicating, but they are.

01:43:32.000 And so it looks like telepathy, but it's not.

01:43:35.000 You get them in the room of scientists, you'll fool every scientist under the sun.

01:43:40.000 What they're doing is like not bulletproof at all with the kids.

01:43:43.000 And again, God bless, if I had a child in that condition, I for not one moment wouldn't want a solution.

01:43:48.000 And I would want something to know that they're not, that they're in there and I could talk to them.

01:43:51.000 And I don't want to speak out of turn.

01:43:52.000 But from the videos I've seen, I can explain that in a minute.

01:43:55.000 They're moving things around and positioning the letters.

01:43:58.000 If you do a double-blind study where the person does not know the word that they're trying to communicate, I'm not even saying psychic, just don't tell them the word, the person holding it, and only show the word to the person who should be saying it, right?

01:44:13.000 If you're the autistic child, show them the word so that I see it, and then have them type that word in. 1.00

01:44:19.000 And do that for me.

01:44:20.000 Nine out of ten times.

01:44:22.000 They've not been able to do that.

01:44:23.000 That's not even psychic.

01:44:24.000 That's just show me that you can type the word in that you saw.

01:44:26.000 And so when you do like a deep dive on that, it's been...

01:44:35.000 Would you do that with us?

01:44:37.000 Sure.

01:44:37.000 But I don't want to take anyone's hope away.

01:44:40.000 I'm a parent and like, again, I don't think they're making money on it.

01:44:43.000 Like, I'm very...

01:44:51.000 But when I watch that, and you're talking to somebody who's a pro at doing this, same as psychics, I can see exactly how that's done.

01:44:57.000 But what did you think about their ability to read languages that they've never studied?

01:45:02.000 So again, you're missing it.

01:45:03.000 So that's, again, the devil's in the details.

01:45:06.000 It's the memory, what you remember of the story.

01:45:08.000 Show me how they did that.

01:45:09.000 Did either of the people there present know that language, who was doing it, and how was that being communicated?

01:45:16.000 Did the end person who's moving the board around know what the meaning of the word was?

01:45:21.000 Do you understand what I mean?

01:45:22.000 Yes.

01:45:23.000 So, like, again, you're hearing the CliffsNotes, the end edition.

01:45:27.000 Watch the video and show me something that I can't Really?

01:45:36.000 That's correct.

01:45:37.000 Interesting.

01:45:37.000 Very interesting.

01:45:39.000 So, could it be right?

01:45:40.000 Yes.

01:45:40.000 I'm not saying it's not.

01:45:42.000 I'm not, again, they could be 100% right and I could be 100% wrong.

01:45:45.000 Hubris.

01:45:46.000 Right.

01:45:46.000 I haven't been in the room with them.

01:45:48.000 I'm judging simply from videos I've seen.

01:45:50.000 But as someone who is for a living pretending to read people's minds, but I'm actually reading people, I can see how it's being done.

01:45:59.000 Interesting.

01:45:59.000 The method, it's kind of like a casino boss.

01:46:01.000 I see how that person's cheating when they're playing cards.

01:46:03.000 Right.

01:46:03.000 Because I know all the cheating methods.

01:46:05.000 Interesting.

01:46:07.000 The other thing that they said was these kids all have this area that they go to called The Hill.

01:46:12.000 They go to there.

01:46:12.000 Yep.

01:46:13.000 What do you think of that?

01:46:14.000 So again, I heard it.

01:46:16.000 It was unbelievable.

01:46:17.000 Like the podcast was incredible.

01:46:18.000 I don't know.

01:46:19.000 I don't like...

01:46:27.000 And I'm like, well, I'm seeing a lot of stuff on you that looks Grateful Dead vibes.

01:46:30.000 Like, if I told you that you're a big Roger Waters fan, you'd be like, how did you know that right now?

01:46:36.000 So for everyone not looking, Joe's wearing a Pink Floyd shirt.

01:46:39.000 Like, you can figure out a lot of stuff based on cold reading.

01:46:46.000 How do you behave?

01:46:47.000 What are certain things?

01:46:48.000 When do you pause at a certain moment about certain things?

01:46:50.000 Did you lose someone?

01:46:51.000 I can tell instantly if you're having a feeling of emotion.

01:46:54.000 Anyone good at this, and not even great, but good, can notice a lot of things.

01:46:58.000 A psychic just watches you.

01:47:00.000 So you can kind of tell what a person's done that day?

01:47:03.000 Well, I think you can guide them.

01:47:06.000 To what you want, which is when you get a hit, right?

01:47:09.000 Think of that game when you're a kid, hot, cold.

01:47:11.000 You hide stuff.

01:47:12.000 Right.

01:47:12.000 Right?

01:47:13.000 Your brother or sister looks around and they go, cold, cold.

01:47:15.000 Do you think I woke up early today or late?

01:47:17.000 I don't know.

01:47:19.000 There's no on-demand feature to the show.

01:47:21.000 I think you woke up early, though.

01:47:22.000 Really?

01:47:22.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 I don't know.

01:47:23.000 Why do you think that?

01:47:24.000 Just based on what you've said it?

01:47:26.000 Nope.

01:47:27.000 Woke up late.

01:47:27.000 Good.

01:47:27.000 I got it wrong.

01:47:28.000 I'm happy.

01:47:29.000 I'm happy. 0.94

01:47:29.000 You'll be like, we screwed this guy. 0.94

01:47:31.000 Finally, we got O's and it was with a 50-50.

01:47:34.000 Yeah, that was just a rando.

01:47:36.000 Coin flip.

01:47:37.000 We'll do a coin flip before I leave.

01:47:37.000 Yeah, that was a kid.

01:47:39.000 Okay.

01:47:40.000 Who has coins anymore?

01:47:41.000 I brought one coin.

01:47:42.000 I heard that there's a penny that's in circulation that's worth millions of dollars.

01:47:46.000 I heard that too.

01:47:47.000 Yeah, that wheat penny.

01:47:48.000 The one with the wheat on the side of it.

01:47:49.000 My buddy Lewis Howes had, I saw that on my social.

01:47:51.000 He found one.

01:47:52.000 Really?

01:47:52.000 I think so.

01:47:53.000 Whoa. 0.98

01:47:54.000 It's fucking super valuable. 0.99

01:47:55.000 With millions. 0.99

01:47:56.000 I'd be like, give me that wheat penny.

01:47:57.000 That's crazy.

01:47:58.000 A penny worth millions.

01:48:01.000 Okay, so what's in the one that's sealed, that package?

01:48:06.000 No, that's nothing.

01:48:07.000 I was going to get it out, but I'll do it later.

01:48:09.000 It's a gift. 0.96

01:48:10.000 It's something silly. 0.97

01:48:13.000 Why do I not believe you? 0.97

01:48:14.000 No, I swear.

01:48:14.000 I swear.

01:48:15.000 I thought I would have it out, but no.

01:48:17.000 You thought you'd have it out, but you don't want to have it out?

01:48:20.000 Not the right fit.

01:48:21.000 What do you mean?

01:48:22.000 No, I was going to do something.

01:48:23.000 You had a lot of books here, and I thought we'd get a book, but like, eh, I don't think I'm going to do it.

01:48:27.000 Just doesn't feel right, no.

01:48:29.000 What feels wrong?

01:48:30.000 Self-curate.

01:48:30.000 I don't know.

01:48:31.000 It's not going to work.

01:48:32.000 You've got to go on instincts?

01:48:33.000 It's not going to work.

01:48:33.000 You've got to go on instincts.

01:48:34.000 It's not going to work.

01:48:35.000 Nope.

01:48:35.000 What was the goal to get it to work?

01:48:37.000 You can say it now since we're not going to do it.

01:48:39.000 The goal to get it to work was I thought I had some sort of...

01:48:42.000 I thought I know if I get you to get a book.

01:48:44.000 We have less books in this room.

01:48:46.000 We have books in that room.

01:48:46.000 I just...

01:48:48.000 I brought it in.

01:48:49.000 I always have a backup plan.

01:48:50.000 Plan A, B, C. And this one's not meant for this one.

01:48:53.000 This one might be if I ever come back and do another JRE.

01:48:56.000 We'll put it in the safe.

01:48:57.000 Okay.

01:48:58.000 Do it.

01:48:59.000 That's a great idea.

01:49:00.000 Yeah, we'll put it in the safe.

01:49:00.000 Put it in the safe.

01:49:01.000 I'll never touch it again.

01:49:02.000 Okay, we won't touch it either.

01:49:03.000 Let's make sure that we know it's sealed.

01:49:05.000 Two bricks of cocaine.

01:49:06.000 You're in big trouble.

01:49:07.000 We should get a wax seal.

01:49:09.000 Yeah?

01:49:09.000 You know, like Game of Thrones style.

01:49:12.000 Let's do it.

01:49:13.000 I love that show.

01:49:15.000 Great show.

01:49:16.000 We can't play this, but I found one of the tapes that someone put on YouTube.

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:21.000 It's only a one-minute clip.

01:49:22.000 Alright, let's watch it for us.

01:49:23.000 Let's watch it for us.

01:49:24.000 We can't play it because it's copyright?

01:49:26.000 If you right now got the best two-person codec in the world in here, they would do nothing.

01:49:31.000 She would literally be in another...

01:49:37.000 'Cause she's touching him? 0.98

01:49:39.000 Touching, moving, I mean, You only have 26 options.

01:49:43.000 Do you have any idea what this is right there?

01:49:44.000 Somebody effective right now, just this right now, and pausing before they say a word, could have given you a full credit card number.

01:49:50.000 Right.

01:49:51.000 Insane.

01:49:51.000 She was kind of moving him a little bit.

01:49:53.000 Moving him.

01:49:54.000 Like, if you could, if you can, how do you compress data?

01:49:57.000 Right?

01:49:57.000 Like, if you do hexadecimal or ASCII, you could take a 16-digit number and break it down into three letters.

01:50:04.000 Do you ever see the movie The Martian?

01:50:06.000 Great movie, right?

01:50:06.000 Yes.

01:50:07.000 Another Matt Damon reference.

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 Love Matt Damon, by the way.

01:50:09.000 Yeah.

01:50:10.000 Me too.

01:50:11.000 Has he been on here?

01:50:12.000 Such a good dude?

01:50:12.000 No.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, I talked to somebody about getting him on, like he was going to reach out.

01:50:16.000 We're going to do it eventually, I'm sure.

01:50:17.000 I love that guy.

01:50:18.000 I love him.

01:50:18.000 He's awesome.

01:50:19.000 Met him a couple times, love him.

01:50:20.000 as nice as you'd expect.

01:50:21.000 So if you can...

01:50:26.000 So he shows a thing where he figured out how to take and compress big things into small.

01:50:29.000 What's the easiest way?

01:50:30.000 You can make it very small so you can send information in a certain way.

01:50:34.000 Again, I don't want to blow any of this cover, but there is absolutely, when I see that, I know exactly how it's being done.

01:50:38.000 But I don't know if she's doing it on purpose.

01:50:41.000 I think they've just learned each other's rhythms.

01:50:43.000 And that's an H. You gotta have her in a different room! 1.00

01:50:47.000 Right, right, right.

01:50:48.000 Read my mind.

01:50:48.000 Read my mind through a door.

01:50:49.000 Haven't they done stuff in a different room, though?

01:50:52.000 Kai Dickens, didn't she said?

01:50:54.000 In particular, another magician actually told me that they had an issue watching that particular kid's videos.

01:51:00.000 They thought that those two were doing something funny.

01:51:02.000 Yep.

01:51:02.000 Clearly.

01:51:03.000 But that's what I...

01:51:07.000 They're behind a paywall.

01:51:08.000 That's it.

01:51:08.000 You have to get to them.

01:51:09.000 That's the sneaky biz.

01:51:10.000 Everyone that sees the paywall, I had a couple sent to me.

01:51:13.000 And I'm like, because people ask me this.

01:51:15.000 And they were like, what do you think, man?

01:51:16.000 And I listened to all the tapes.

01:51:18.000 I thought it was amazing.

01:51:18.000 It got a little wild at the end, if you got to the end.

01:51:21.000 Like the hill and that.

01:51:22.000 And you want to believe.

01:51:23.000 Who doesn't want to believe that?

01:51:24.000 There's psychics amongst us.

01:51:26.000 And especially, kind of like the superhero story of all.

01:51:30.000 These are kids who nobody thought was in there, and they're really in there, and they're communicating with each other.

01:51:35.000 It's, I mean, I don't know.

01:51:36.000 So it's essentially you're saying that instead of psychic energy, there's a sense of like a kind of microcommunication.

01:51:41.000 You know what?

01:51:42.000 Very simple.

01:51:42.000 And people want to believe, and so you kind of have confirmation bias looking at the evidence.

01:51:48.000 You want to believe.

01:51:49.000 Kai Dickens clearly wanted to believe.

01:51:51.000 Just super simple.

01:51:53.000 Have a mentalist and maybe a scientist involved.

01:51:55.000 And a mentalist is better than a scientist because scientists, they can watch me and they'll be like, I don't know how he's doing it, right?

01:51:59.000 We're designed.

01:52:00.000 We're literally, it's like get a card sheet to beat other card sheets.

01:52:04.000 Right.

01:52:04.000 So get me involved.

01:52:05.000 Yeah.

01:52:06.000 And then let's do the same thing and I'm going to say, here are the three things I need you to do different.

01:52:10.000 And I'm not going to say how you're doing it, but do it with these three things.

01:52:13.000 And if you do that, I'm convinced.

01:52:15.000 Okay.

01:52:15.000 We might have to set this up.

01:52:17.000 Yeah.

01:52:18.000 I wonder if they'd want to.

01:52:19.000 But the problem is that there's very little to gain from that.

01:52:21.000 And then also, we got bad energy in the room.

01:52:24.000 That's the whole thing.

01:52:24.000 Right.

01:52:25.000 Did you ever see when Uri Geller was debunked by the amazing Randy on Johnny Carson?

01:52:29.000 And he couldn't bend the spoons and he goes, "I can't do it with him here.

01:52:32.000 He's got bad energy." And it's like, is it bad energy or is this a guy who knows how you're bending the spoons?

01:52:38.000 And so every time you're about to do a move, he's like a SOB.

01:52:41.000 He's like, "Stop right there.

01:52:42.000 Don't move your hand.

01:52:43.000 Keep the spoon right there.

01:52:44.000 Don't look away." It's like my nightmare.

01:52:47.000 I had a guy show me how they do the spoons.

01:52:49.000 We had a guy demonstrate magic and he goes, "I can show you how to do this one." And it was like a different kind of spoon.

01:52:56.000 It wasn't a regular spoon.

01:52:57.000 No, no.

01:52:57.000 You could do it with real spoons.

01:52:58.000 I could do it with any spoon.

01:52:58.000 Yeah?

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 And you could bend it with your mind?

01:53:00.000 I mean, again, I don't want to knock it, but that's more of a – it's not really – it's not a psychic power.

01:53:05.000 That falls more into the category of a magic trick where you're misdirecting people.

01:53:11.000 You're doing something else where I'm not really bending a spoon with my mind.

01:53:16.000 There's not supernatural powers involved.

01:53:17.000 I can't lie to you and say that.

01:53:19.000 I'm doing it in such a way where you don't know the method.

01:53:21.000 And it's layered, but it's sure going to look like it's bending by itself, but it's not.

01:53:25.000 This guy was saying that it's a kind of metal that as he moves his hand around, he heats it up.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, he's lying to you.

01:53:31.000 Really? 1.00

01:53:32.000 Damn, motherfucker. 1.00

01:53:34.000 He lied because he didn't want to tell me how he does it. 1.00

01:53:36.000 No, yeah. 1.00

01:53:37.000 Oh, damn it. 1.00

01:53:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:40.000 Got me again.

01:53:41.000 Got you.

01:53:43.000 You must enjoy getting people, though.

01:53:45.000 The spark that lights in your face when you're accurate is really fun to watch.

01:53:49.000 I hope it's contagious, but I enjoy watching reactions.

01:53:53.000 Yeah, clearly.

01:53:54.000 That's the rush, right?

01:53:55.000 Laughs, do you not love laughs?

01:53:57.000 Of course, yeah.

01:53:58.000 You ever go into a room and nobody's laughing and you just bomb and you just eat it?

01:54:02.000 How often do you bomb anymore?

01:54:04.000 New jokes, bomb.

01:54:05.000 So you'll bomb for chunks.

01:54:08.000 You'll bomb in segments.

01:54:09.000 You know, you have to figure out how a bit works.

01:54:12.000 And sometimes you try a bit in a way, like in the middle of it, like, ooh, this is not the way.

01:54:16.000 And then you have to kind of adjust.

01:54:18.000 And you're doing a lot of sets at the Mothership, I assume?

01:54:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:21.000 And how much do you get allowances?

01:54:24.000 What's the clock?

01:54:25.000 For being Joe Rogan before it's like, oh no, let's just see if you're funny as a person.

01:54:29.000 Where does that end?

01:54:30.000 You gotta be funny pretty quick.

01:54:32.000 You think so?

01:54:32.000 Yeah, people are good for like a minute.

01:54:34.000 They're happy to see you for like a minute.

01:54:37.000 It's only a minute, huh?

01:54:38.000 Not much time, man.

01:54:40.000 Jerry Seinfeld talked about that once.

01:54:41.000 He's like, being famous buys you about 30 seconds.

01:54:43.000 Oh, I thought it's more.

01:54:44.000 I think that's what he said.

01:54:45.000 No, no.

01:54:46.000 Especially on a night filled with like really top-notch comedians.

01:54:50.000 Right, killers.

01:54:51.000 Which is the mothership every night. 0.99

01:54:53.000 It's all a bunch of killers.

01:54:55.000 But that's also why we do it that way.

01:54:57.000 The one thing that's really bad for comedians is when they start only doing their crowds.

01:55:03.000 So they do it on the road and they do large places and then they have the same opening act over and over again.

01:55:10.000 So they're never challenged.

01:55:11.000 Right.

01:55:11.000 Yeah.

01:55:12.000 That makes people soft 90% of the time.

01:55:15.000 I made that number up.

01:55:16.000 I don't know what the number is.

01:55:18.000 But it's like a high number because you get soft.

01:55:22.000 Right.

01:55:23.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 I did, this is funny, so I used to go to the comedy cellar.

01:55:26.000 I told you, I love comedy.

01:55:27.000 Like, aficionado.

01:55:28.000 I lived in the village for, I don't know, years, and this is pre-kids, a lot more time on my hands.

01:55:33.000 We used to go to the cellar when you could get in the cellar like that.

01:55:35.000 Now, good luck.

01:55:36.000 and we would see just everybody over and over and I think you met him on Sure.

01:55:43.000 So good, man.

01:55:44.000 Very funny guy.

01:55:45.000 Great guy.

01:55:47.000 Amazing.

01:55:48.000 Super funny.

01:55:49.000 And he went on on a night where it was just like dropping, dropping, dropping.

01:55:52.000 And he had to follow Seinfeld.

01:55:54.000 And Seinfeld goes on and just hammers it.

01:55:56.000 And then Mike Vecchione comes on.

01:55:58.000 And you know the bathroom in the cellar, right?

01:56:01.000 Which is about the size of like a quarter of this table.

01:56:04.000 Where you're touching arms when you're taking a leak next to some dude.

01:56:07.000 I went in there and I was quite drunk.

01:56:09.000 And I'll never forget this. 0.99

01:56:10.000 I worked with Mike since, and I was telling him, dude, you probably don't remember me, but I was such a drunk idiot. 0.93

01:56:14.000 And we were touching arms while we're peeing, and I always felt bad about it. 0.94

01:56:17.000 I'm so drunk.

01:56:18.000 I'm like, dude, forget Seinfeld. 0.98

01:56:19.000 You killed it.

01:56:20.000 He's like, stop talking to me while we're peeing, dude.

01:56:22.000 I had crossed that threshold. 0.99

01:56:24.000 And I tried to ask him, like, He's like, dude, so many drunk idiots have been next to me at the cell or telling me stuff. 0.99

01:56:33.000 I'm like, the night where you dropped, you know, that trying to see if you remember it. 0.99

01:56:37.000 Right.

01:56:37.000 And I wanted to apologize for it because I felt so bad.

01:56:40.000 And I'm like, I was talking to you while you were pissing and dude, I just loved you so much.

01:56:47.000 And he forgot.

01:56:48.000 He didn't even know this moment.

01:56:50.000 But I'm like, I've been holding this weight for a while, Mike, and I'm a big fan.

01:56:54.000 And I'm sorry I talked to you while we both had our dicks out.

01:56:57.000 It was not okay. 0.96

01:56:58.000 It was not okay.

01:56:59.000 There's a line in the sand that I have just crossed, brother.

01:57:02.000 That's hilarious.

01:57:03.000 And he forgot about it.

01:57:04.000 He didn't know, dude.

01:57:05.000 I mean, it's like when I have gigs where people come back to me and three years later, like, dude, do you remember this thing?

01:57:10.000 And I go, of course I do.

01:57:11.000 Yes.

01:57:12.000 No, most of the time you don't remember.

01:57:14.000 You try.

01:57:15.000 I remember the best and the worst, man.

01:57:17.000 I remember some moments where I've bombed so bad that it is seared in your DNA.

01:57:23.000 You know that feeling?

01:57:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:25.000 And it's usually ones where you're not to blame, but the buck stops here.

01:57:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:57:30.000 Sure.

01:57:31.000 The setup is terrible.

01:57:32.000 the outdoor gig.

01:57:33.000 I had one where, God, it was like the town of Charlotte or some town hired me, some city.

01:57:39.000 And I had to...

01:57:44.000 And we're like, normally we do two or three things.

01:57:45.000 I will mention two or three things in the course of a show.

01:57:48.000 And if it's ten minutes, forget it.

01:57:50.000 I don't want to be a salesperson up there.

01:57:52.000 People tune out if they're like, what are you, selling me something right now?

01:57:54.000 Right.

01:57:55.000 And I had to say eight or nine things about the town of, was it Charlotte?

01:57:59.000 And at the last moment, we do dress rehearsal.

01:58:01.000 We go, by the way, we're all dressing as genies.

01:58:03.000 And we're going to have a life-size genie lamp on stage.

01:58:06.000 And it's going to start doing smoke while you're doing this.

01:58:08.000 I'm like, I don't really like any of these things.

01:58:11.000 But I was newer to show because I'm like, I go with it.

01:58:13.000 The whole time I'm on stage, the smoke is going.

01:58:16.000 Like, at 100%.

01:58:17.000 We're coughing.

01:58:18.000 It's going terrible.

01:58:19.000 I can't see the person whose mind I'm reading.

01:58:22.000 I'm sweating.

01:58:23.000 I'm trying to talk about the Billy Graham Museum.

01:58:26.000 I'm dying a slow death up there.

01:58:28.000 I get two things in a row wrong. 0.98

01:58:29.000 And you know, if you bomb your opener and your closer, like, you're dead.

01:58:34.000 I left apologizing.

01:58:36.000 You never want to leave a stage apologizing.

01:58:37.000 They somehow still loved it.

01:58:38.000 I don't even know how.

01:58:39.000 But I sweated through that suit.

01:58:42.000 It was like, you know when you question what you're doing in life?

01:58:46.000 Yeah.

01:58:47.000 I'm like, maybe I'm not supposed to be doing this.

01:58:50.000 Well, also, you probably say, okay, never doing that kind of setup again.

01:58:54.000 Kind of, but me, I'm more catastrophized, and I'm like, yeah, I should just be done.

01:58:58.000 But then I came back.

01:58:59.000 I came back.

01:59:00.000 I picked myself up.

01:59:03.000 Funny enough, tomorrow's one of my daughter's fifth birthday, and I'm doing a show at school for five-year-olds.

01:59:09.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:09.000 Yeah, man.

01:59:10.000 I gotta get back.

01:59:11.000 But she's a sweetheart.

01:59:12.000 This is like the sweet spot where they still think I'm cool.

01:59:14.000 That's cool.

01:59:15.000 Before I'm gonna be like, don't do this and embarrass us, Dad.

01:59:17.000 Right.

01:59:17.000 And last year, for my oldest son, who was, at the time, had just turned eight, I did his school second graders, and dude, they ate me alive.

01:59:26.000 Really?

01:59:26.000 Because I'm not doing this.

01:59:27.000 Like, this is, you know, my sweet spot is mentalism.

01:59:30.000 I had to brush off the dust on my kids' show, which I haven't touched in like 25 years.

01:59:34.000 Thank God I'm not doing kids' shows anymore.

01:59:36.000 No offense to kids' show magicians, but that ship has sailed.

01:59:40.000 And man, second graders are ruthless.

01:59:43.000 Really?

01:59:43.000 Ruthless.

01:59:44.000 Why second graders?

01:59:46.000 I don't know, man.

01:59:48.000 I finish this show, and during the show, my wife is in the room recording.

01:59:53.000 I'm like, don't record, don't record.

01:59:54.000 And I had to look at my wife at one point, and I whispered, this is enough.

01:59:59.000 Because one kid's like, it's in your hand.

02:00:01.000 Show me that.

02:00:02.000 Show me that. 1.00

02:00:02.000 And I'm like, dude, shut up. 1.00

02:00:03.000 And I'm not good at it. 0.95

02:00:05.000 I haven't done it in a while.

02:00:06.000 Right.

02:00:07.000 So I'm just bombing on tricks.

02:00:09.000 And thankfully, 95% of the crowd actually liked it.

02:00:12.000 It was just these two kids who just got me.

02:00:15.000 And when I went home, one of my neighbors saw me.

02:00:17.000 And he goes to me, he goes, oh my god, what's wrong?

02:00:20.000 Are you okay?

02:00:20.000 Because my face was like ash and white.

02:00:22.000 He thought somebody died.

02:00:23.000 And I'm like, dude, I don't even know what to say right now.

02:00:27.000 Maybe I shouldn't be doing this.

02:00:29.000 I had to at one point tell the teacher, I'm like, I actually do this for a living.

02:00:33.000 I feel like I had to try to flex.

02:00:35.000 I'm like, I have an Emmy.

02:00:36.000 I wanted to let them know I'm not actually this bad.

02:00:42.000 That's hilarious.

02:00:44.000 That's hilarious.

02:00:45.000 Don't you think comedy is kind of a bit of hypnotizing people?

02:00:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:51.000 The best comedians, the pacing, the rhythm.

02:00:54.000 I was watching a Tom Segura special this morning.

02:00:58.000 I don't know how well you know his material.

02:00:59.000 I mean, you know him well.

02:01:00.000 But he had a bit about flying first class.

02:01:02.000 Do you remember that one?

02:01:03.000 I don't.

02:01:04.000 Oh, he talks about...

02:01:07.000 The fact that he gets upgraded.

02:01:09.000 He buys coach tickets.

02:01:10.000 It was early.

02:01:11.000 It was years ago.

02:01:12.000 and he gets upgraded so much that he gets first class tickets.

02:01:18.000 I don't know if I want to take his bit.

02:01:20.000 And he goes, literally the moment I get upgraded, this feeling of superiority washes over me. 1.00

02:01:26.000 Don't, when people are walking, don't look at me, you poor piece of shit. 1.00

02:01:28.000 Like, he's just so... 1.00

02:01:33.000 I will put my hand on your chest, bro.

02:01:35.000 I've seen that a hundred times, and it's just as funny, if not funnier, every time I watch it.

02:01:40.000 And it's like the timing, the rhythm.

02:01:42.000 I learn more from comedy than ever magic or mentalism.

02:01:46.000 Way more.

02:01:47.000 Interesting.

02:01:47.000 Because we've talked about it a bunch.

02:01:50.000 I'm like, I think we're hypnotizing people because I feel hypnotized when someone's killing.

02:01:54.000 When someone's killing, I'm allowing them to think for me.

02:01:58.000 Yep.

02:01:58.000 Like, they're taking me on a ride.

02:01:59.000 And I'm just, I'm not thinking at all about what would I say, what would I do.

02:02:04.000 I'm just in their head.

02:02:06.000 Or they're in my head.

02:02:08.000 Right, and also when you bring someone along and when you have that, like, just, you drop just an amazing line.

02:02:14.000 Like, just there's so many, I mean, listen, I consume so much comedy, but like, I love watching the rhythm, seeing where people go with it, the people that are more short form, like punch delivery, right?

02:02:30.000 Scholl's amazing.

02:02:31.000 Man, some of these guys are just like, you can't see where the joke is going to come and how you just squeeze every bit of juice out of the orange and the good callbacks.

02:02:38.000 I think the ultimate hypnotist is David Tell.

02:02:41.000 Oh yeah, David.

02:02:42.000 Dave, because David, there's a rhythm.

02:02:44.000 There's a rhythm the way he does.

02:02:46.000 It's like, you just get lost in his thinking.

02:02:48.000 Right.

02:02:49.000 And he just takes you on the, and he's so effortless.

02:02:52.000 He does so many sets.

02:02:54.000 He's so polished that there's this effortlessness to his movements and the rhythm and everything.

02:03:01.000 It's wild.

02:03:02.000 Like Sebastian Maniscalco.

02:03:04.000 I freaking love watching Sebastian.

02:03:06.000 There's so many people that came up now that I've seen over and over and over and watched them go up.

02:03:10.000 Like Sam Murillo, I've been a fan of for years.

02:03:12.000 Sebastian was actually the first guy to recommend you to me.

02:03:14.000 I love Sebastian.

02:03:15.000 Shout out to Sebastian.

02:03:16.000 I love you, Sebastian.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 Was there anyone else after that?

02:03:19.000 A couple people told me you were awesome.

02:03:21.000 Nice.

02:03:21.000 Quite a few.

02:03:22.000 You know, Sebastian's such a stand-up guy.

02:03:23.000 This friend of mine, when I told him that...

02:03:27.000 It is.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:29.000 You just thought of it.

02:03:29.000 You shouldn't have let down your guard.

02:03:30.000 I just knew it.

02:03:31.000 How'd you know?

02:03:32.000 That was it.

02:03:32.000 That was the moment.

02:03:33.000 What'd you see?

02:03:34.000 I can't tell you, but right when you said this friend of mine, I knew you were going to protect your parks, and I said, could it have been Ari?

02:03:39.000 Could it have been Mark? 0.99

02:03:40.000 And I immediately knew it was going to be Shane Gills, because neither of those two would have said, definitely not Mark, would have said, kill him, he's a witch. 0.99

02:03:47.000 I just knew it. 0.98

02:03:48.000 Yep, that's Shane.

02:03:54.000 That's such a sense of humor, too. 0.99

02:03:55.000 He's a witch. 1.00

02:03:56.000 Yeah, that's so Shane. 1.00

02:03:56.000 Kill him. 1.00

02:03:58.000 That's so Shane. 1.00

02:04:00.000 Yeah, that was a little bit of a giveaway because I said it was my friend.

02:04:04.000 Yep, that is.

02:04:05.000 That was the giveaway because I didn't tell you it's someone that I know.

02:04:05.000 That was the giveaway.

02:04:07.000 You said 100%, so now I'm thinking he must live in Austin.

02:04:10.000 There was a lot of indicators.

02:04:13.000 Yeah.

02:04:14.000 Whatever.

02:04:15.000 But that's part of the thing, right?

02:04:17.000 But that's also you admitting that this isn't like...

02:04:21.000 I'm not psychic.

02:04:22.000 So everybody, when people put me on the spot and, like, tell me this right now, I literally go, it's not Netflix, no on-demand feature.

02:04:28.000 Like, I, again, that's where these skills, when people are like, why don't you win the lottery?

02:04:33.000 Why don't you, like, all these things that are silly where you don't get what I do, apparently.

02:04:37.000 Do you believe that there is any sort of psychic power that people have?

02:04:42.000 Like, when someone gets a phone call from someone they're just thinking about?

02:04:46.000 Intuition.

02:04:47.000 Right.

02:04:47.000 I think there's I think there's Like, you know, where does your mind expand?

02:04:54.000 Like psychedelics, like where, what is there beyond this plane that clearly, you know, people are aware of?

02:05:01.000 It'd be silly to think, but how do you kind of get on that frequency?

02:05:06.000 There's no question that people have an intuition.

02:05:08.000 Again, could I call it psychic powers?

02:05:09.000 I've had things happen that I can't explain to you based on the skills I have.

02:05:13.000 Does that make sense?

02:05:14.000 Like what?

02:05:14.000 Well, I've guessed things from people where I didn't do the normal way I do it.

02:05:18.000 Do you understand what I mean?

02:05:20.000 There's a series of steps on how I do it, kind of like a chess player.

02:05:24.000 You get a chess player, you get Magnus Carlsen, you get the best chess player in the world, they can literally blindfold play 30 people, and I'm like, how are you doing that, right?

02:05:32.000 That's like magic to me.

02:05:33.000 But you're keeping track of all that stuff in your mind, and you're doing stuff that is indistinguishable from real magic, in my opinion.

02:05:41.000 But you've hyper-focused on one skill.

02:05:43.000 That's what I've done.

02:05:45.000 You just think it's a lot of skills.

02:05:46.000 What I've focused on is one thing, is assessing what people are thinking and what they give away that they don't think they're giving away.

02:05:53.000 That's all.

02:05:53.000 I just guess secret information for a living.

02:05:55.000 But to make it exciting and entertaining, I add bells and whistles and make it interesting.

02:05:58.000 Otherwise it'd be boring.

02:05:59.000 How many mentalists are out there?

02:06:01.000 Like, is there a community, guys?

02:06:03.000 You share notes?

02:06:04.000 Sure.

02:06:05.000 So there's like a, I wouldn't call it a brain trust, but there's people I bounce ideas off of when I'm creating, kind of like you'd punch up jokes, where they're...

02:06:16.000 There's creators and then there's performers.

02:06:19.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

02:06:21.000 It's like singer-songwriters.

02:06:22.000 How many people have their songs written for them?

02:06:24.000 Some of the biggest stars in the world.

02:06:26.000 And how many are like Taylor Swift style where you write it and this and you get a piece of you in it?

02:06:31.000 And there's something about when you write your own song.

02:06:34.000 I'm not knocking people that don't write their own song, but there's something that you feel different.

02:06:37.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:06:37.000 Right.

02:06:38.000 Which explains the connection Taylor Swift has to her fans.

02:06:40.000 I believe so because you're getting a piece of you that somebody else can't.

02:06:44.000 I'm sure that's just a random pop star that gets like some factory.

02:06:49.000 I freaking love a Backstreet Boys song.

02:06:51.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:06:52.000 How dare you.

02:06:53.000 I want it that way, Joe.

02:06:55.000 But like when you are with her and I'm sure like Jack Gantz, now she's a huge amazing crew of writers that I'm sure get things out of her.

02:07:02.000 And I know a lot of like music producers, but...

02:07:06.000 So what, again, I think is differentiating.

02:07:09.000 There's a lot of mentalists, but it's a really small number that are the singer-songwriter, the creator-performer, who have the thoughts and are constantly doing new stuff.

02:07:19.000 Because we are a cover band.

02:07:21.000 Most mentalists are a cover band of other mentalists.

02:07:24.000 We don't need to do new stuff.

02:07:26.000 You could literally do the same thing.

02:07:28.000 This is pretty amazing.

02:07:28.000 I could do this for the next 40 years and make a good living.

02:07:31.000 God bless.

02:07:32.000 And why do new stuff?

02:07:34.000 Like, when Louis C.K. was popping out three specials a year, everyone was like, you know, why are you doing this to all the rest of us?

02:07:39.000 You're so creative.

02:07:41.000 You don't have to.

02:07:42.000 And in our profession, you really don't have to, because you don't have to bury material.

02:07:45.000 Right.

02:07:46.000 If I'm not putting stuff online, if I'm not going like, crowd work the Matt Reif model, who by the way I love that guy, Now if you want to blow up on social, you've got to be doing this.

02:07:57.000 Or do current events, do topical, do things you can burn.

02:08:00.000 But I can't put my real act out there.

02:08:02.000 Right, right, right.

02:08:04.000 But you enjoy the creative aspect.

02:08:05.000 I love it.

02:08:06.000 I find it boring.

02:08:07.000 If I keep doing the same stuff, I'm bored.

02:08:11.000 And I get sad.

02:08:12.000 Right, but it's interesting because I wonder how many people you can bounce ideas off of.

02:08:17.000 it seems like you're kind of a lone wolf.

02:08:19.000 Like in that world, I don't think there's I mean, there's a lot of comedians.

02:08:23.000 Like, I could call a lot of comedians right now and bounce an idea off of.

02:08:28.000 There's way less mentalists and there's way more magicians and then of the group of mentalists if you were to do the core one and again This is not subjective.

02:08:36.000 I'm much more like objected the way we looked at names how many of them have done Certain volume of TV appearance certain volume of views like which ones are getting the attention of the world in the zeitgeist It's a very very small number because This is like an attention economy.

02:08:51.000 You have to do stuff that's compelling to the viewer.

02:08:54.000 And for me, I don't think about myself.

02:08:57.000 It's a trick in life.

02:08:58.000 I think about who's watching.

02:09:00.000 What do you mean by it's a trick in life?

02:09:03.000 It helps you in everything in life.

02:09:06.000 My secret sauce is that I hold the mirror up not to myself, but to you.

02:09:11.000 Do you get it?

02:09:11.000 Like when you're watching and you're watching a football thing.

02:09:14.000 Right.

02:09:17.000 If you're meeting somebody and you want to be memorable, learn more about them.

02:09:21.000 Start listening more.

02:09:22.000 I'll tell you a story.

02:09:23.000 I met Steven Spielberg.

02:09:25.000 I did Steven Spielberg's dad's birthday.

02:09:27.000 And I got in that room.

02:09:28.000 Have you met Steven Spielberg?

02:09:29.000 No.

02:09:30.000 And I'm like, you know, a crazy fan.

02:09:33.000 Like, I can't explain to you how many movies he had as a kid that were life-changing.

02:09:37.000 And I'm like, dude, Close Encounters, Third Kind?

02:09:39.000 Yeah, he's one of the greatest of all time.

02:09:40.000 Ever.

02:09:41.000 Yeah.

02:09:42.000 And so, I've done stuff for his family.

02:09:44.000 This is not like a big blowout corporate event.

02:09:46.000 It's like 80 people.

02:09:47.000 I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this.

02:09:49.000 And it was a great time.

02:09:51.000 Amazing.

02:09:52.000 And at the end of it, I'm like getting some FaceTime with Spielberg.

02:09:56.000 And I walk up to him and we spent almost 20 minutes talking to each other, which is like, I didn't expect that.

02:09:56.000 Right.

02:10:03.000 I thought he'd be like, oh, great job.

02:10:04.000 Do you know how many questions?

02:10:05.000 I had a million questions.

02:10:06.000 Do you know how many questions I asked him?

02:10:08.000 How many?

02:10:08.000 Zero.

02:10:09.000 Really?

02:10:10.000 Zero.

02:10:11.000 And that's like, right there, I learned a lesson in life that applies to everything.

02:10:15.000 That's why Steven Spielberg.

02:10:16.000 He is naturally curious.

02:10:17.000 This guy, wealthy beyond belief, stories beyond belief, he could make it ego-driven, and he could have been telling me, oh, this, and I would have been hanging on my every word.

02:10:25.000 But instead, he wanted to know more about me, and he kept asking me questions.

02:10:30.000 I was like, just pause, dude.

02:10:32.000 I have, like, a lot of questions.

02:10:35.000 Like, come on!

02:10:36.000 And so I looked at him.

02:10:49.000 which is you don't know when you meet somebody who they'll be or what they'll be or what can But why I've had so many TV appearances is when I go into a place, I'm going to do stuff for the security guard.

02:11:01.000 I'm going to do something for the person who irons my shirt.

02:11:03.000 I'm going to leave that place like a bomb went off of amazement where everyone around there now likes you.

02:11:08.000 And you don't know when they'll jump ship to another network, to another thing.

02:11:11.000 And if they like you, sales 101, they're going to want to keep doing business with you.

02:11:15.000 And so those people become your champions elsewhere.

02:11:18.000 And there's kind of a lesson where he could have talked about himself the whole time.

02:11:21.000 He didn't.

02:11:23.000 Interesting.

02:11:24.000 So, I shouldn't either.

02:11:25.000 When you go to other places, let other people shine.

02:11:28.000 And that's something I've carried with me, and I think that's a superpower in life that most people don't do.

02:11:33.000 They think, what am I going to say next?

02:11:35.000 Right.

02:11:36.000 That's kind of the key to running a good podcast, too.

02:11:39.000 Because you really want to extract the most out of the person possible.

02:11:41.000 Right.

02:11:42.000 Where you just want...

02:11:49.000 And for Spielberg, a guy who deals in all these...

02:12:03.000 Right.

02:12:04.000 You know, like, what are you doing?

02:12:06.000 Like, and now he's got like a new tool in his toolbox.

02:12:06.000 How are you doing?

02:12:09.000 Totally.

02:12:10.000 Right?

02:12:10.000 Because he's got you.

02:12:11.000 You have this spectrum of possibilities.

02:12:18.000 And then you meet one that's outside of that, you're like, ooh, I hadn't even considered you before.

02:12:22.000 Right. 0.99

02:12:23.000 What are you, where, how's, who the fuck are you? 0.99

02:12:25.000 That was pretty much the question. 0.99

02:12:27.000 And then he had, like, he, but he was interesting because, I don't know if you get this, but I get, like, the 20 questions is what I call it, air quotes.

02:12:35.000 Yeah.

02:12:35.000 Which is, how'd you get into this?

02:12:37.000 Like, the opening questions, which you can't blame someone.

02:12:39.000 If you've got a weird job, people want to know about it.

02:12:42.000 Right?

02:12:43.000 Like, did somebody in your family do this?

02:12:44.000 Like, there's all these questions you're going to get every time.

02:12:46.000 God bless people.

02:12:47.000 I don't hold it against them.

02:12:48.000 Mine is always, I'm doing like a sound check for a gig, and there was like, alright, so we got this, we got this, and I go, don't you know that we have that?

02:12:55.000 I'm like, ah.

02:12:58.000 I'm like, okay, so just real quick, where's the green room?

02:13:00.000 Like, you don't know already?

02:13:01.000 And I'm like, okay, this is, I just smile, and I'm like, you know, I've never heard that one before, but it's, you get that.

02:13:08.000 But in this situation, Again, it's like he didn't ask those questions.

02:13:14.000 He was very uniquely finding questions that weren't like the usual.

02:13:19.000 Of course, because of the study.

02:13:20.000 I mean, he studies humans.

02:13:22.000 Right.

02:13:22.000 I mean, to be a great filmmaker the way he is.

02:13:25.000 To do Schindler's List, to do...

02:13:29.000 Have you seen that recently?

02:13:30.000 Private Ryan.

02:13:31.000 I mean, he's got heavy movies.

02:13:31.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 And then, you know, Close Encounters is one of my favorite movies of all time.

02:13:36.000 I mean, it's interesting.

02:13:38.000 You know, one of the things I really liked about that movie is he, after he became a father...

02:13:46.000 He wouldn't have the father leave everybody.

02:13:48.000 Oh, wow.

02:13:49.000 Yeah, because at the end of the movie, Richard Dreyfuss's character gets on the spaceship and leaves the aliens.

02:13:55.000 Wow.

02:13:55.000 He's like, I would never do that.

02:13:56.000 I didn't know that.

02:13:57.000 Did they film it or no?

02:13:57.000 Yeah.

02:13:58.000 Well, it was after the fact.

02:14:00.000 Like, you know, he made the movie, I believe, when he was younger and he didn't have children. 0.98

02:14:04.000 And then as time went on, you know, he looked back on it like, oh, God, I would never leave my kids to go on this fucking UFO. 0.98

02:14:12.000 Nor would I, nor would you. 0.99

02:14:12.000 Right. 0.99

02:14:14.000 No.

02:14:15.000 Like, but in this idealistic version of who he thought.

02:14:19.000 That Richard Dreyfuss character was and the circumstances.

02:14:22.000 Like, he had to leave.

02:14:23.000 He had to go.

02:14:23.000 You gotta go with the aliens.

02:14:24.000 I sure as hell get my phone out and try and get good footage for a change.

02:14:27.000 I'm like, right here, good stuff.

02:14:29.000 I like the tic-tac and gimbal, but I want to see it close up and high def.

02:14:32.000 I know.

02:14:33.000 You got anything?

02:14:34.000 Nothing!

02:14:35.000 You got something?

02:14:36.000 Come on.

02:14:36.000 I have off-air what I think are people bullshitting me.

02:14:40.000 Oh, you don't have to be off-air.

02:14:41.000 I've watched these.

02:14:41.000 I can read people.

02:14:42.000 I can tell where the snake oil is.

02:14:45.000 I feel it.

02:14:47.000 That's where it's instinctive.

02:14:48.000 I don't have the tools that you have, but there's a part of me that's like, hmm, something smells.

02:14:54.000 Something feels weird.

02:14:55.000 I told Jamie when I walked in here and I said, this is again.

02:14:57.000 Passes the sniff test. 0.99

02:14:58.000 And pardon my French, but everyone takes a crap, right? 0.99

02:15:01.000 Everyone in the world. 0.99

02:15:01.000 I don't care if you're the Pope. 0.99

02:15:02.000 You take a crap. 1.00

02:15:03.000 So if they're being held in a facility, someone's taking craps. 1.00

02:15:07.000 Right.

02:15:08.000 And who's cleaning it?

02:15:08.000 I don't think the scientists are.

02:15:10.000 There's a janitor.

02:15:11.000 There's someone in that room.

02:15:11.000 So are you telling me that there's nobody in there that's got a 401k, health insurance, some sort of...

02:15:18.000 How is someone not getting...

02:15:32.000 How is that buttoned up tight where nothing gets out ever?

02:15:37.000 Well, for 50 years, you're telling me there's a basement somewhere in this country, eight stories down, where they've got those things and no one else knows who's credible and can release it?

02:15:47.000 How?

02:15:48.000 Occam's Razor.

02:15:49.000 What do you think?

02:15:49.000 I think the government can keep things secret for a long time.

02:15:52.000 I think they did with the Manhattan Project.

02:15:54.000 I think they've done it with other projects in the past.

02:15:57.000 I think it's possible.

02:15:58.000 You think it's siloed?

02:15:59.000 It's just siloed.

02:16:00.000 Nobody knows all the info.

02:16:01.000 Because people do talk.

02:16:02.000 There's a lot of people talking.

02:16:04.000 And people share similar stories.

02:16:07.000 And they have for decades.

02:16:09.000 And I think there's something to it.

02:16:11.000 I just don't know what it is.

02:16:12.000 I think, you know, we had Jesse Michaels on yesterday who has this amazing show on YouTube, probably the best YouTube show on aliens and UFOs and UAPs.

02:16:22.000 And he's very agnostic in his thinking and he's very objective.

02:16:27.000 And he also is very, very, very thorough as far as his understanding of the information.

02:16:33.000 And even he is baffled.

02:16:36.000 As much as he knows, but he knows more about siloed technology than pretty much anybody does in regard to this UAP phenomenon.

02:16:44.000 And he points to this guy, Thompson Brown, who was working on gravity technology in the 1950s.

02:16:54.000 They had working models.

02:16:56.000 he thinks that they have some sort of a gravity propulsion device but then there's It's 47. It's too early.

02:17:09.000 There's no way they had working models of these devices back then.

02:17:13.000 So he thinks it's possible.

02:17:15.000 You know, he's not a, I know this is true.

02:17:18.000 He thinks it's possible that it is both United States government secret projects that people are seeing, and there's probably quite a few of them.

02:17:25.000 We actually pulled a few of them up and showed some of them that look like UFOs.

02:17:29.000 Probably is part of what people are seeing.

02:17:32.000 But he thinks it's also probable that there's some other things.

02:17:36.000 And these other things could be from anywhere.

02:17:39.000 And then there's just the Fermi paradox.

02:17:40.000 Like, if they're all out there, where are they?

02:17:42.000 There's so many planets.

02:17:43.000 There's so many galaxies.

02:17:47.000 It has to be the case.

02:17:48.000 It's the question of whether or not they have visited or whether or not they're here.

02:17:52.000 Right.

02:17:52.000 You know, and then there's just like weird Peruvian mummies that we went over, these tridactyl mummies that they take cat scans of and you see the tissue and the bones and, you know, they were all found in...

02:18:08.000 What's the kind of earth that they found that these things are?

02:18:11.000 Di-something?

02:18:14.000 Do you remember what it is?

02:18:16.000 Where they were all dried out?

02:18:18.000 I know exactly the description, but I don't remember the word.

02:18:20.000 Something Earth.

02:18:22.000 I know the word.

02:18:23.000 I can't.

02:18:23.000 It's escaping me right now.

02:18:25.000 All this stuff's very fascinating.

02:18:27.000 So fascinating.

02:18:28.000 All the ancient depictions on cave walls of these things.

02:18:31.000 And we pulled up these tapestries that were a thousand years old that had these three-fingered creatures.

02:18:36.000 Very weird.

02:18:37.000 Very weird.

02:18:38.000 But that necessarily doesn't mean they're alien.

02:18:41.000 Right.

02:18:49.000 You know, from Denisovans to the Island of Flores, Hobbit people. 1.00

02:18:53.000 There's a weird variety of humans that went extinct.

02:18:57.000 And these tridactyl things could very well have been that.

02:19:00.000 Yeah, it was Christopher Melanon, right?

02:19:03.000 And that was my favorite one.

02:19:05.000 Because he had, I think, I don't want to butcher, but I think he called it ultra-terrestrial.

02:19:09.000 It makes the most sense, which is...

02:19:14.000 What are the odds you ever run into that bottle in the ocean?

02:19:17.000 It's impossible.

02:19:17.000 That's what time is.

02:19:18.000 If we've been around for 13 billion years, sure there's aliens, but we've only been around for a few thousand.

02:19:25.000 It's a grain of sand in the whole beach.

02:19:29.000 So what would you do?

02:19:31.000 Right now, if we had technology 1,000 years from now, 2,000 years from now, AI, multiply it out, the whole nine, what would you do?

02:19:38.000 You'd send these things everywhere.

02:19:40.000 Sure.

02:19:41.000 Just like sci-fi and you'd plant them and you'd come out every now and again and check what's up.

02:19:44.000 Sure.

02:19:45.000 So that's, I don't, my likeliest thing is I don't think there's any biological beings or aliens.

02:19:50.000 I think you've just got automated drones in essence that are running patterns that have some sort of, like, I don't know, that makes way more sense.

02:19:56.000 It certainly could be that.

02:19:58.000 I mean, that's what we're doing currently on Mars.

02:19:59.000 Right.

02:20:00.000 It's what we do with, you know, probes.

02:20:03.000 You know, with the James Webb Telescope, a lot of different things that we use.

02:20:07.000 We just send a machine out and get information from it.

02:20:10.000 And then also, I think at a certain point in time, we're being realistic about what we're doing right now.

02:20:15.000 We're going to have biological beings and then we're going to have some kind of digital being.

02:20:20.000 We're going to have some sort of a – whether it's – Technology beyond our wildest dreams is a thousand years away from now, right?

02:20:41.000 A thousand years away, we have a god, right?

02:20:43.000 So if you extrapolate where we're at now with quantum computing and the ability to calculate things, that if you turn the entire universe, We're talking about nuts.

02:21:08.000 No, it's crazy.

02:21:13.000 The internet from 1994, it's like archaic, 14-4 modem.

02:21:18.000 I remember it.

02:21:19.000 I'm that generation.

02:21:19.000 I remember it.

02:21:20.000 That's 31 years ago.

02:21:22.000 So what are we talking about when we're dealing with 31,000 years?

02:21:26.000 So if conceivably a life form has existed and gone through the same stages as us without catastrophes, without nuclear war, without all the things that could trip us up, we could be dealing with – I had an idea that I wondered.

02:21:46.000 I've always thought, what if ideas are life forms?

02:21:50.000 Right.

02:21:51.000 Because we think of life as being it has to breathe, it has to have cells, it has to...

02:22:05.000 And the ideas compound upon each other.

02:22:08.000 The more people working on these ideas, the more competition, the more the ideas will flourish, and the more the ideas will be more complex and more efficient versions of this idea.

02:22:20.000 But it has to start as a creative thought inside someone's head.

02:22:24.000 And either a creative thought that you can apply to existing creative thoughts, or a completely unique one, like Francis Crick.

02:22:32.000 Figuring out certain aspects of biology or certain aspects of the quantum field, whatever they're doing that's a breakthrough thing.

02:22:40.000 Like, where is that coming from?

02:22:41.000 It's coming from an idea.

02:22:43.000 And then these ideas, they manifest itself in physical form through human labor.

02:22:49.000 Well, it's Schrodinger's cat, right?

02:22:50.000 Does it happen if you don't observe it?

02:22:53.000 That's the weird thing about quantum physics, right?

02:22:55.000 It's completely you can't imagine it, but it It hasn't happened until you observe it.

02:23:03.000 Right.

02:23:03.000 to prove that.

02:23:04.000 Well, that's what it gets really weird when people there's a lot of people that are deciding now that to approach it Not consciousness is seeing that these things exist.

02:23:20.000 That they only exist when you're interacting with them.

02:23:25.000 Which is like, what?

02:23:27.000 Some of the stuff, when you read that, like I've read books about string theory, about quantum physics, it's just, they're too, it's too hard to process in the real world when you're like the table, but the table's actually empty space.

02:23:39.000 There's almost nothing in it solid.

02:23:41.000 Every atom, I don't even know what the numbers are, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, but how They're empty.

02:23:50.000 Everything's empty.

02:23:51.000 Everything's empty.

02:23:52.000 And then you get to subatomic and you're like, okay, well now this is just pure wizardry.

02:23:56.000 Right.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 They exist and they don't exist.

02:23:59.000 This is something Michael Jackson said about ideas.

02:24:02.000 Start like right here.

02:24:05.000 Phillip says, we went and met with Michael, and Kenny said, Michael, you've got to stop.

02:24:09.000 We've got an incredible show.

02:24:10.000 We don't need any more vignettes.

02:24:12.000 Michael said, but Kenny, God channels this through me at night.

02:24:16.000 I can't sleep because I'm so supercharged.

02:24:18.000 Kenny said, but Michael, we have to finish.

02:24:20.000 Can't God take a vacation?

02:24:22.000 Without missing a beat, Michael said, you don't understand.

02:24:25.000 If I'm not there to receive these ideas, God might give them to Prince.

02:24:30.000 Incredible.

02:24:31.000 Just an incredible...

02:24:35.000 Did you know that?

02:24:37.000 Little Red Corvette was going to have a totally different meeting with Michael Jackson.

02:24:40.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:24:41.000 Too soon?

02:24:42.000 God might give them to Prince.

02:24:44.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 Wow.

02:24:46.000 Wow.

02:24:47.000 Well, songs are interesting like that.

02:24:48.000 You know who I met last year?

02:24:49.000 I was in Sweden.

02:24:50.000 I did this conference.

02:24:51.000 Brilliant Minds.

02:24:52.000 Amazing.

02:24:53.000 And I met Max Martin.

02:24:54.000 Do you know who that is?

02:24:55.000 No.

02:24:55.000 Max Martin is, you should look this up, how many hits he has.

02:24:59.000 So Max Martin has, I think, more number one hits than anyone but Paul McCartney.

02:25:04.000 Check that if I'm right.

02:25:05.000 But I got there.

02:25:06.000 There's so many interesting people.

02:25:07.000 It was an amazing conference.

02:25:08.000 And I was ready to geek out with him because I'm just so curious.

02:25:11.000 It's the creative.

02:25:12.000 Like, how does somebody come up with something is fascinating to me.

02:25:15.000 And one of his recent songs was Blinding Lights by The Weeknd.

02:25:19.000 You know, I want such a massive hit and I just I love that song and I just like just like perfect sounds like a movie track in my mind And how did you do that?

02:25:27.000 Like how you know, where did you start?

02:25:28.000 Did you guys have a beat?

02:25:29.000 Did you know the lyrics like I'm just so curious how does that happen?

02:25:32.000 Is it like in 10 minutes?

02:25:33.000 Is it months?

02:25:34.000 And he just walked me through like He had a vision we have this we have like all this stuff that we sit down and then the first the music then this I'm like just wow, it's so amazing to create something like that that A billion people now listen to number one in every country in the world.

02:25:48.000 It's like, how do you manufacture something so kind of perfect that everyone in the world likes it?

02:25:54.000 Yeah.

02:25:56.000 And is there a format you know it's gonna be the hit before it is the hit?

02:25:59.000 That to me is the most, like, how many bands get stuck for the rest of their life playing a song that they frickin'hate, that they didn't know was gonna be their, Yeah.

02:26:09.000 You're like dead in the eyes.

02:26:10.000 You're like, I gotta play this again.

02:26:11.000 I gotta, you know.

02:26:13.000 Come on, Eileen. 1.00

02:26:14.000 You better love that song.

02:26:15.000 Isn't it funny when you love a song and the artist doesn't want to sing it anymore?

02:26:18.000 Like, oh.

02:26:19.000 And then they start singing in a different way at a concert, and you're like, why are you doing this weird acapella, bro?

02:26:24.000 I want to hear it like the radio!

02:26:26.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

02:26:29.000 That's kind of the difference, though, between musicians and anybody else, because musicians, you want to hear the same thing over and over again.

02:26:35.000 I have that a little bit, where if I get clients who book me over and over, I say to them, do you want me to do something different?

02:26:35.000 Exactly.

02:26:41.000 Because it's like jokes.

02:26:44.000 I've seen gaffing and you're gonna do Hot Pockets.

02:26:46.000 Like people call it out and I wanna hear it, Something that especially you're known for.

02:26:51.000 So I found that if I did a completely different show, people are kind of mad.

02:26:54.000 I don't have exit surveys, but I kind of listen in and see what's going on.

02:26:58.000 I wish he did that one.

02:27:00.000 Bon Jovi has got to do living on a prayer at every gig or people are pissed.

02:27:04.000 For me, I need at least two of the things to be the same because people want to see if they can catch it the second time.

02:27:11.000 Got it.

02:27:12.000 So there's a level of, they heard about it, and they're like, oh, you gotta do that thing with the thing.

02:27:16.000 And so if I do everything new, yeah, they're kind of happy, but they still want a greatest hit.

02:27:22.000 And it took me years to learn that, because I used to be like, oh, I can't do the same thing.

02:27:26.000 I gotta be unique.

02:27:27.000 And then I learned that that's not better.

02:27:29.000 You know, I was just thinking, like, mentalists would be the best police interrogators.

02:27:34.000 Right.

02:27:35.000 Minority Report style.

02:27:36.000 Right?

02:27:37.000 Don't you think?

02:27:39.000 But don't you think if a police interrogator learned the skills of being a mentalist?

02:27:44.000 I think they could, but again, it's the best analogy that I can give you is a director holding the camera.

02:27:52.000 I'm always holding the camera and pointing it at what I want.

02:27:55.000 Does that make sense?

02:27:56.000 What police interrogator is going to say, okay, to the perp, think of where you were that night.

02:28:00.000 Look this way.

02:28:01.000 Look that way.

02:28:01.000 They're not going to do all that stuff.

02:28:03.000 This is done when it's done under the guise of entertainment.

02:28:06.000 And if they do do that, you're kind of leading the witness.

02:28:08.000 You could lead whatever.

02:28:12.000 So you're not going to have a willing participant.

02:28:15.000 You can't be hypnotized against your will.

02:28:18.000 Most stage hypnotists, they do compliance testing first.

02:28:21.000 Do you know what I mean by that?

02:28:22.000 They have everyone in the audience, hold your hands together, and imagine who can't get their hands apart.

02:28:27.000 And the person who goes like this right away, they're like, I'm not bringing them on stage.

02:28:30.000 They're not doing anything.

02:28:34.000 You have to be suggestible.

02:28:35.000 Mine isn't necessarily suggestible, but mine is a maze where every time you hit a roadblock, I'm moving you around until I get you to the spot where you go through.

02:28:45.000 And so that's why you asked me why I didn't do this.

02:28:47.000 I knew it wouldn't.

02:28:47.000 It wasn't going to work.

02:28:48.000 I have more things planned than you know right now.

02:28:51.000 Okay.

02:28:52.000 I've been thinking about this for a while, but I'm not going to do them all.

02:28:55.000 Okay.

02:28:55.000 Because again, how do you structure an act?

02:28:57.000 You leave the best for last.

02:28:58.000 You never leave here doing the best in the middle.

02:29:00.000 We're going down the home stretch.

02:29:01.000 Are we home stretched?

02:29:02.000 Are we at the final moment?

02:29:03.000 We're almost at three hours.

02:29:05.000 Wow, this goes fast, huh?

02:29:07.000 Flew by.

02:29:08.000 Remember when you asked me, did I wake up early or late?

02:29:11.000 Right.

02:29:12.000 It's the only thing I got wrong.

02:29:13.000 Right.

02:29:13.000 Right?

02:29:14.000 Except, well, he said the vowel, but he thought of melody, but the Y was the, you know what I mean?

02:29:18.000 That was a little bit tricky because AEIOU.

02:29:20.000 Anyway, it doesn't matter.

02:29:22.000 Here's what I want to do.

02:29:23.000 You said 50-50.

02:29:24.000 Coin flip.

02:29:25.000 Okay.

02:29:25.000 And I brought one.

02:29:27.000 You said, who has coins?

02:29:28.000 What do we got here?

02:29:29.000 A coin.

02:29:30.000 What is it?

02:29:32.000 Kendi half, right?

02:29:33.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 Alright, let's go.

02:29:35.000 I feel like one is not exciting enough.

02:29:37.000 That's like a football game.

02:29:39.000 Here's what I do.

02:29:40.000 I don't know if you can see me from over there.

02:29:42.000 Let's do three tosses. 1.00

02:29:44.000 Okay.

02:29:45.000 Statistically, how many we get right?

02:29:47.000 Two.

02:29:48.000 One and a half.

02:29:49.000 Alright, either way.

02:29:50.000 Call it in the air.

02:29:51.000 Okay.

02:29:51.000 Can you see me over there?

02:29:52.000 The table's real busy.

02:29:54.000 Okay.

02:29:54.000 Call it in the air.

02:29:55.000 You going tails?

02:29:55.000 Tails.

02:29:56.000 Yeah.

02:29:57.000 What do we get?

02:29:58.000 Okay.

02:29:58.000 Heads.

02:30:00.000 0 for 1. Okay.

02:30:00.000 Whatever.

02:30:01.000 Did you feel good about it when you did it?

02:30:03.000 No.

02:30:03.000 Okay.

02:30:04.000 Should I really put it in my head?

02:30:06.000 No.

02:30:07.000 Do whatever.

02:30:07.000 I mean, it's a coin flip.

02:30:08.000 It's not a trick. 0.99

02:30:09.000 Now it gets in your head because you guessed it and you're like, fuck, it didn't work the first time, but nobody cares. 0.99

02:30:09.000 Okay. 0.99

02:30:14.000 Nothing riding on this.

02:30:16.000 Call it in the air.

02:30:16.000 You ready?

02:30:17.000 Tails.

02:30:17.000 What are you going with?

02:30:18.000 You going tails again?

02:30:19.000 Yeah.

02:30:19.000 You're going tails again.

02:30:20.000 Yep.

02:30:21.000 I can't.

02:30:22.000 See, that time I would never change.

02:30:24.000 It's heads, 0 for 2. All right, all right.

02:30:26.000 Third try is charm.

02:30:28.000 Okay.

02:30:28.000 You think you got it?

02:30:29.000 Yep.

02:30:32.000 What are the odds on that?

02:30:33.000 So this has got to be your shot.

02:30:35.000 Call it.

02:30:36.000 Tails?

02:30:36.000 Tails.

02:30:37.000 I was going tails never fails.

02:30:38.000 What do we get, Joe?

02:30:39.000 You're 0 for 3. Heads again.

02:30:41.000 You're 0 for 3. You done?

02:30:43.000 Nope.

02:30:44.000 You want one more?

02:30:45.000 Sure.

02:30:45.000 You insist?

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:46.000 All right.

02:30:47.000 I said 3. Okay.

02:30:47.000 You're not done.

02:30:49.000 Should I go over here?

02:30:49.000 Has that envelope been there the whole time?

02:30:51.000 This envelope?

02:30:52.000 Yes.

02:30:53.000 We sealed this the moment I arrived at this studio.

02:30:56.000 Right.

02:30:57.000 Okay.

02:30:57.000 You're going to get it this time, just for the record.

02:30:59.000 Okay.

02:31:00.000 Tails.

02:31:01.000 Yeah.

02:31:01.000 Tails?

02:31:03.000 0 for 4! 1.00

02:31:03.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:31:04.000 Are you doing this? 1.00

02:31:05.000 I'm not doing anything!

02:31:06.000 Take the coin!

02:31:06.000 You're not making it land on heads?

02:31:07.000 0 for 4! 0.88

02:31:08.000 No, but do you know how to do it?

02:31:09.000 Do you have a method?

02:31:10.000 Call it.

02:31:11.000 Call whatever you want.

02:31:12.000 Tails.

02:31:14.000 Did I do it?

02:31:16.000 It's heads.

02:31:16.000 But that didn't count.

02:31:18.000 That's five in a row.

02:31:19.000 You're just bad luck.

02:31:20.000 Is that five in a row?

02:31:21.000 I don't really count that one.

02:31:22.000 That seems odd.

02:31:22.000 Let's try one more.

02:31:23.000 Do it yourself.

02:31:25.000 Do it yourself.

02:31:26.000 Double check what, Jamie?

02:31:27.000 Double check there's still tails on there.

02:31:28.000 Okay, just check it.

02:31:28.000 There's still tails.

02:31:29.000 But this doesn't count because this one's yours.

02:31:31.000 Oops.

02:31:34.000 That was very clumsy of me.

02:31:38.000 But anyway, do it on the table.

02:31:39.000 I just didn't have room on the table.

02:31:41.000 It's tails.

02:31:42.000 But did you guess tails?

02:31:43.000 Oh, okay.

02:31:43.000 Yeah.

02:31:44.000 I just kept going.

02:31:44.000 It's not a trick.

02:31:46.000 It's statistical.

02:31:48.000 All right.

02:31:49.000 But statistically, five in a row of heads, it seems odd.

02:31:51.000 I said to you, I hope everyone stayed along for this journey.

02:31:54.000 I said, this is your future.

02:31:55.000 This is my future.

02:31:56.000 Right?

02:31:56.000 But I lied.

02:31:57.000 Past, present, and future.

02:31:59.000 Oh, my God.

02:32:00.000 I'm going to come over there.

02:32:00.000 Now, hold on.

02:32:01.000 Open it up.

02:32:02.000 You'll see what I mean.

02:32:02.000 But I don't want you to open it up.

02:32:06.000 There's two things in there.

02:32:07.000 Now, freeze right there.

02:32:08.000 Okay.

02:32:09.000 Show us what you have.

02:32:10.000 Two envelopes?

02:32:11.000 Well, one's not an envelope.

02:32:13.000 Well, one's a folded piece of paper.

02:32:15.000 And one is a manila envelope.

02:32:16.000 Is it taped everywhere?

02:32:19.000 Yes, taped everywhere.

02:32:20.000 So I'm coming over.

02:32:22.000 Okay.

02:32:26.000 You want to do it?

02:32:27.000 Can you guys hear me?

02:32:28.000 We're going to open it.

02:32:29.000 Where am I?

02:32:30.000 Is the camera here?

02:32:32.000 There's a camera over there.

02:32:33.000 Okay, you tell me.

02:32:34.000 Okay.

02:32:35.000 I'll go around you.

02:32:35.000 I just want to make sure you can see this.

02:32:38.000 Joe, look inside.

02:32:38.000 All right.

02:32:41.000 Okay.

02:32:41.000 I want you to look inside.

02:32:42.000 And before you grab it, no, no, no.

02:32:43.000 Look, look, look, look, look.

02:32:44.000 Okay, I'm looking.

02:32:45.000 And tell me.

02:32:46.000 You see, it says two words.

02:32:47.000 Can I turn this around?

02:32:48.000 It says Joe Rogan's will.

02:32:49.000 It says Joe Rogan.

02:32:50.000 Will you do it?

02:32:50.000 And I don't want to touch.

02:32:51.000 That pink one out.

02:32:51.000 I don't want to touch.

02:32:51.000 Grab that one.

02:32:53.000 And read to us.

02:32:54.000 Grab that.

02:32:55.000 That's your pass.

02:32:55.000 Hold on to this.

02:32:56.000 Okay.

02:32:56.000 Read out loud that's been in there from before we started.

02:33:00.000 It says Joe Rogan will get three coin flips in a row wrong, insist on doing one more, and then get that one wrong too.

02:33:09.000 The present.

02:33:10.000 You can't change that.

02:33:11.000 The past.

02:33:12.000 Joe, take out what's in there.

02:33:14.000 Tell us all.

02:33:15.000 Look around the edges.

02:33:16.000 It's stapled.

02:33:17.000 I usually used to lick stuff.

02:33:19.000 Do this.

02:33:20.000 Bring this over.

02:33:21.000 I don't want to touch.

02:33:21.000 I want you to see.

02:33:23.000 I just want you to look around.

02:33:24.000 Yeah, it's fully stapled.

02:33:25.000 Is there any...

02:33:25.000 It's stapled.

02:33:29.000 I said, I want you to have this before.

02:33:30.000 Right.

02:33:31.000 Sealed.

02:33:31.000 It's been here the whole time.

02:33:33.000 Yes.

02:33:33.000 Sealed.

02:33:34.000 Impulsive, spontaneous, in the moment.

02:33:36.000 Got it.

02:33:37.000 And I said to you, did something get in your head?

02:33:39.000 Who earlier, when I said any fighter you've ever seen, what fighter came to mind?

02:33:46.000 I said Anderson Silva.

02:33:47.000 Anderson Silva.

02:33:48.000 And how many fighters?

02:33:48.000 Yeah.

02:33:50.000 Rip it open.

02:33:50.000 Okay.

02:33:51.000 How many fighters?

02:33:52.000 Did you say cycled through your head?

02:33:54.000 I said be very specific.

02:33:55.000 How many fighters do you think cycled through your head?

02:33:57.000 I don't know.

02:33:58.000 I said a dozen at least.

02:34:00.000 Did he say a dozen?

02:34:01.000 You said 14. Read.

02:34:03.000 Please open that up.

02:34:04.000 Take that out.

02:34:04.000 And I want you to please read what's been in there from the moment I walked on this set.

02:34:10.000 It said Joe will have 14 fighters go through his head but with Anderson Silva in the end and a fight that he won.

02:34:22.000 Past, present, and future.

02:34:24.000 That's insane.

02:34:25.000 present and future the other piece of paper Because at first I was going to go with Zabit.

02:34:32.000 Zabit, Magamob, Magamob, Cherov.

02:34:35.000 Grab the other piece of paper.

02:34:35.000 Do this.

02:34:37.000 It's got a paper clip.

02:34:38.000 Freeze right there.

02:34:39.000 This is the future.

02:34:39.000 Stop, stop.

02:34:40.000 Hold it right there in your hands.

02:34:40.000 Don't move.

02:34:41.000 Okay, I'm holding it.

02:34:42.000 Nobody knows the future.

02:34:43.000 Nobody knows the future.

02:34:44.000 It's true.

02:34:45.000 Imagine right now.

02:34:45.000 Nobody does.

02:34:46.000 Best magic trick in the world.

02:34:47.000 Boom! 0.99

02:34:47.000 I throw a smoke bomb. 0.99

02:34:49.000 Disappear. 0.99

02:34:50.000 Disappear.

02:34:50.000 Right.

02:34:52.000 Anyone ever, someone famous though, otherwise I want to see my grandma again, appears right here instead.

02:34:57.000 Imagine you literally, I don't want Jamie to do it, but you pull up a photo, you show me this person's photo.

02:35:02.000 Got it.

02:35:02.000 Say it.

02:35:03.000 Who do you see right there in that chair?

02:35:07.000 What's their name?

02:35:07.000 Say it.

02:35:08.000 Miles Davis.

02:35:09.000 Can I ask you a question?

02:35:10.000 Yes.

02:35:11.000 Because I like this.

02:35:12.000 Here's what I always like to do.

02:35:13.000 I always call it the grass is greener.

02:35:15.000 I can see when people's eyes shift.

02:35:17.000 When they have one person and like I want that person, but that's the front of their mind.

02:35:21.000 I can always get in the front, but for this to be a legendary ending, who is in the back?

02:35:24.000 Who is the person you thought of before Miles Davis?

02:35:26.000 Tell us.

02:35:27.000 Muhammad Ali, right?

02:35:27.000 Muhammad Ali.

02:35:28.000 That's what I love.

02:35:29.000 The gold standard.

02:35:30.000 The reason you're gonna talk about this for years is because you changed your mind the last moment.

02:35:33.000 That's been in there from when I walked in here.

02:35:35.000 Look at what's in there right now.

02:35:40.000 Muhammad Ali.

02:35:43.000 How is that possible?

02:35:48.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:35:51.000 You are a witch. 1.00

02:35:52.000 We're going to have to kill you. 1.00

02:35:53.000 Lock the door, Jamie. 1.00

02:35:55.000 Bam! 0.98

02:35:56.000 That's really insane, man.

02:35:58.000 That's really weird.

02:36:00.000 I want to ask you how you do this, but you're not going to tell me.

02:36:03.000 Yeah, off camera.

02:36:04.000 Tell you everything.

02:36:04.000 You show me where Bob Lazar is hiding the UFO.

02:36:07.000 I wish I knew.

02:36:08.000 I wish I knew.

02:36:09.000 That's insane, dude.

02:36:11.000 It was Anderson Silva versus Rich Franklin.

02:36:11.000 That's crazy.

02:36:14.000 Oh, what a good fight.

02:36:15.000 What a great fight.

02:36:16.000 This you keep.

02:36:17.000 You lock in the safe for when I come next time.

02:36:17.000 This you keep.

02:36:19.000 Assume the clothes.

02:36:20.000 I'll be back.

02:36:20.000 I will.

02:36:21.000 This is really nuts, man.

02:36:24.000 I don't know how you did it.

02:36:25.000 It's really crazy.

02:36:26.000 The coin flip, the 14 different fighters, like all of it.

02:36:31.000 Thank you.

02:36:32.000 Change your bank pin code right now. 0.99

02:36:32.000 It's fucking nuts, man. 0.99

02:36:34.000 Change it. 0.99

02:36:34.000 Yeah, I'm going to. 0.99

02:36:37.000 Jesus Christ.

02:36:40.000 Jamie, anything to add to this?

02:36:42.000 Nope.

02:36:42.000 We should have walked off when you were silent.

02:36:45.000 We should have just ended it there.

02:36:46.000 This is like pure wizardry, dude.

02:36:48.000 I don't know how you're doing it.

02:36:50.000 Appreciate that.

02:36:50.000 I don't think you're ever going to be explained to me either.

02:36:53.000 Thank you.

02:36:54.000 I appreciate you, man.

02:36:55.000 I'm a huge fan for many years, and I love what you're putting out in the world, and I'm telling you, I love it, and thank you so much.

02:37:01.000 I'm honored to be here.

02:37:02.000 It's an honor for me, too.

02:37:03.000 This is truly insane.

02:37:05.000 I've been blown away before, but I don't think I've ever been blown away this much.

02:37:08.000 This is really nuts.

02:37:09.000 And it's like shattered my worldview.

02:37:12.000 I have to rethink how I think about everything and what signals human beings give off and like how someone could read something like that.

02:37:20.000 Pretty nuts.

02:37:22.000 Thanks, brother.

02:37:22.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 04, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2332 - Oz Pearlman

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