The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

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00:00:13.000 Very nice to meet you.

00:00:14.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:15.000 I saw you on the Danny Jones Podcast, and I've read a lot of your tweets and Twitter and just the entire ordeal that you've been through since the beginning of COVID.

00:00:30.000 And so I felt like it would be very educational for people to hear your perspective.

00:00:36.000 Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID because I think a lot of people are sick of it.

00:00:42.000 I'm certainly ready to move on.

00:00:44.000 I am too, but it's just people need to make sure this doesn't happen again.

00:00:50.000 Exactly.

00:00:50.000 And nothing's happened, really.

00:00:52.000 Nothing's been corrected.

00:00:53.000 No.

00:00:54.000 Not only has nothing been corrected, I was just watching an argument on television where they were trying to argue for vaccinating women who are pregnant.

00:01:03.000 Oh, right.

00:01:04.000 It's insane.

00:01:05.000 I mean, there's a golden rule of pregnancy, right? 0.99

00:01:09.000 You don't experiment on pregnant women.

00:01:11.000 You don't experiment on an unborn child.

00:01:14.000 You're not even supposed to eat sushi.

00:01:16.000 Exactly.

00:01:16.000 Right.

00:01:17.000 But we're going to put this modified mRNA technology into these women who We have early treatment. 1.00

00:01:26.000 COVID is no longer a threat.

00:01:28.000 We're dealing, you know, at one point it was more than a cold, but not now.

00:01:31.000 Why in the world would we give them to pregnant women or children? 1.00

00:01:35.000 The only thing that makes sense is money.

00:01:37.000 Right.

00:01:38.000 Well, it's the only thing that makes sense.

00:01:40.000 Ego, meaning because they've already recommended it because they don't want to admit that it's not effective.

00:01:46.000 They don't want to admit their side effects.

00:01:48.000 I mean, we have hard facts.

00:01:50.000 Showing it should be pulled off the market.

00:01:52.000 I mean, any other product would have been pulled a long time ago.

00:01:55.000 If this were an antibiotic and we'd seen all the carnage from an antibiotic, it would have been yanked off long ago.

00:02:01.000 It should have been yanked off in the first month.

00:02:05.000 There's no other explanation than there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ego, there's money.

00:02:13.000 But it's not science.

00:02:14.000 No, and there's a lot of people that...

00:02:35.000 they should be trusted, not just the average doctor who's talking about these side effects and all these different things that they're experiencing with their patients.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, I mean, I trusted them when the pandemic started.

00:02:47.000 I mean, I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily, but I trusted them.

00:02:51.000 I didn't think they were going to hurt us.

00:02:53.000 Why didn't you think they would work?

00:02:54.000 Because they were rushed to the market.

00:02:56.000 I knew the flu shots were already iffy.

00:02:59.000 We're dealing with a virus that mutates.

00:03:01.000 We've never been able to vaccinate against a cold, which, you know, it's a rapidly mutating virus.

00:03:07.000 It's been tried before and it's failed.

00:03:11.000 If you don't mind, please tell everybody what your background is in medicine.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, I'm a private practice, solo physician.

00:03:19.000 I'm not head of the Mayo Clinic.

00:03:21.000 I'm just a neighborhood ear, nose, and throat doctor that sort of got tangled up in this inadvertently.

00:03:28.000 And I always thought when the pandemic started, I thought, well, this will be the hospital.

00:03:33.000 This will be a chaos in the hospitals.

00:03:34.000 I never envisioned getting wrapped up in this at all.

00:03:38.000 I trained at Stanford, and then I moved to Texas after residency.

00:03:45.000 And then I worked in a small private practice for seven, eight years.

00:03:49.000 Then I started having a bunch of children, and I pretty much gave up medicine.

00:03:54.000 I took a seven-year sabbatical.

00:03:56.000 I wasn't even sure I was going to go back, but then I just had this itch that needed to be scratched, and I opened up a solo practice six months before the pandemic started.

00:04:06.000 Oh, boy.

00:04:07.000 What timing.

00:04:07.000 I know.

00:04:08.000 Why?

00:04:09.000 Why did I do it?

00:04:11.000 You could have been out.

00:04:12.000 I know.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, well, sometimes the universe has a calling for people, you know?

00:04:19.000 It's been a very interesting journey.

00:04:22.000 So take us through what happened with you at the very beginning.

00:04:27.000 So COVID starts making its way across the world.

00:04:32.000 Yeah, so I had people coming in with respiratory tract infections that were stubborn.

00:04:37.000 They were not, you know, the typical colds.

00:04:39.000 And there was all this news that there's this virus from China.

00:04:43.000 But, you know, you watch something on the news, you think, oh, you know, that's not going to really affect me.

00:04:48.000 But, you know, I started having more and more patients coming in.

00:04:51.000 And first, I really didn't know what to do.

00:04:53.000 I just used common sense.

00:04:54.000 I mean, I treated the symptoms.

00:04:55.000 I used breathing treatments.

00:04:57.000 I covered for secondary infection with antibiotics.

00:05:01.000 I used steroids, that sort of thing.

00:05:03.000 And I had success, but I didn't have a lot of people, you know, showing up at my doorstep treat me for COVID.

00:05:08.000 But I did start having people wanting to get tested.

00:05:11.000 And you might remember that LabCorp was the first lab in the country to offer the test.

00:05:17.000 And they just got completely slammed.

00:05:19.000 So it took two weeks to get the results back.

00:05:22.000 I was already working with a lab for patients with chronic sinusitis.

00:05:27.000 They were doing PCR testing for chronic sinusitis.

00:05:31.000 So it tests for bacterial and fungal infections of the sinuses.

00:05:35.000 It's called Microgen DX.

00:05:36.000 And they came out with a saliva test for COVID.

00:05:40.000 And we were able to get the results back the next day.

00:05:43.000 So I started offering that and my little clinic exploded because, and I'm located in a strip mall, which is a place where I'm going.

00:05:51.000 I'm very close to the medical center, which is, you know, to get your doctor's office.

00:05:56.000 It's a 10-minute navigation of the parking garage and another 10-minute walk to the office.

00:06:02.000 And so I was trying to locate my office where it was very easy to get in and out of.

00:06:06.000 And then that served me very well during the pandemic because with these saliva tests, you could just take the cup to somebody's car.

00:06:14.000 They could spit in the cup.

00:06:15.000 They could leave it outside.

00:06:16.000 It was contact-free.

00:06:17.000 You didn't have anything shoved up your neck.

00:06:19.000 And then we got the results back the next day.

00:06:22.000 And so that sort of made me put me on the map in my little neighborhood.

00:06:26.000 And then I started tracking, you know, who when the vaccines came out, I started tracking who was positive by their vaccination status.

00:06:35.000 And so I started noticing that the vaccine wasn't working.

00:06:38.000 And that's sort of what got me in trouble.

00:06:41.000 I also started giving monoclonal antibodies, and I didn't ration them.

00:06:45.000 So I became known in town as a place you could get monoclonal antibodies without having to pass, you know, being a certain race or a certain age or that sort of thing.

00:06:55.000 What do you think that was all about?

00:06:58.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:06:59.000 But the monoclonal antibodies is very frustrating to me.

00:07:02.000 They worked very well.

00:07:03.000 They were not controversial.

00:07:05.000 People would turn around the next day.

00:07:09.000 But when they first came out, I could get as many doses as I wanted.

00:07:13.000 I mean, they show up at my doorstep the next day.

00:07:16.000 And it was great.

00:07:17.000 I mean, that also sort of put me on the map with COVID.

00:07:21.000 I didn't even use ivermectin until the government took over distribution of monoclonal antibodies.

00:07:26.000 And then it became harder and harder to get them.

00:07:28.000 And that's when I turned to ivermectin.

00:07:30.000 But, you know, in my opinion, they did that on purpose.

00:07:34.000 They did that to encourage people to take the COVID shot.

00:07:38.000 It was very orchestrated.

00:07:40.000 If you look at the timing, in March, the government They put that on the FDA's website.

00:07:53.000 At the same time, they launched COVID-19 Community Corps, and this was April 1st, 2021.

00:08:00.000 This was an $11.5 billion slush fund to propaganda, to feed out propaganda and censor people.

00:08:10.000 And the day that they launched the COVID-19 Community Corps was the same day that Houston Methodist, which is where I had privileges, they mandated the COVID shots for all their employees.

00:08:21.000 And they were the first in the country.

00:08:24.000 And that's sort of how I got tangled up in all this, because I had privileges there.

00:08:28.000 And then I was actually working with them.

00:08:31.000 I was doing research with them.

00:08:32.000 I was sharing my data with them to try to get it published.

00:08:35.000 But then I started questioning.

00:08:37.000 You know, the vaccine and how it wasn't working.

00:08:42.000 I brought it to their attention first, and they gaslit me.

00:08:45.000 They just said, well, it lowers severity.

00:08:49.000 And when they ignored me, then I started speaking out on social media, and that's what got me in trouble.

00:08:55.000 So that summer, 2021, that's when the third and the largest surge of the pandemic started.

00:09:03.000 And this was after the rollout of the wonderful COVID shots, which were promised to stop transmission and prevent death, and obviously didn't.

00:09:12.000 And the government was getting frustrated.

00:09:15.000 So they doubled down on their ivermectin attack, and this was end of August 2021.

00:09:20.000 They put out the infamous horse tweet, said, seriously, y 'all, you're not a horse, you're not a cow, stop it.

00:09:26.000 A tweet went viral.

00:09:28.000 It had dire consequences, in my opinion.

00:09:31.000 And then they approved, they fully approved the COVID shot, and then Biden mandated for employers with 100 more employees.

00:09:41.000 And that was right when they took you down.

00:09:43.000 So it was all very coordinated.

00:09:46.000 Oh, and then the final straw was taking away monoclonal antibodies.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, that was the more fascinating thing about it to me.

00:09:55.000 I listed a bunch of different things that I took, including monoclonal antibodies.

00:09:59.000 But they only concentrated on ivermectin.

00:10:04.000 The way they did it was like so transparent, like changing the color of my face on CNN and everywhere, this concerted effort to call it horse dewormer.

00:10:13.000 They just tried to make it look as preposterous as possible without ever explaining that it's been used more than multiple billions of times prescribed to human beings.

00:10:24.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 I mean, they branded you.

00:10:26.000 When I think of you, I think of that.

00:10:28.000 Picture of you where you're slightly green.

00:10:32.000 Honestly.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, but ivermectin, I was nervous about using it because of all the hype.

00:10:39.000 And because monoclonals work so well, I was like, well, this is not going to work.

00:10:45.000 I was nervous.

00:10:47.000 But the first thing I did was dug into the safety, and anybody could do that, which is a minimal amount of effort.

00:10:53.000 You can go to the FDA website and you can find the toxicity data on ivermectin.

00:10:57.000 And there's something called the LD50, lethal dose 50, which is...

00:11:06.000 And LD50 means what dose would kill 50% of lab animals.

00:11:14.000 So for ivermectin, it kind of depends on the type of animal and the gender.

00:11:20.000 But it's basically 10 milligrams per kilogram up to 80 milligrams per kilogram.

00:11:25.000 So for COVID we're using 0.4 milligrams per kilogram.

00:11:28.000 So I knew that we were not, And then I did a literature search.

00:11:34.000 And I looked for accidental, intentional overdoses for ivermectin.

00:11:38.000 And I couldn't find a single study.

00:11:40.000 Whereas you do that for Tylenol, I mean, thousands, thousands of reports.

00:11:44.000 So once I knew it was safe, then I started using it.

00:11:47.000 And then I found it worked.

00:11:48.000 And then, yeah, all in all, I treated well over 6,000 patients.

00:11:52.000 And everybody that got early treatment stayed out of the hospital.

00:11:56.000 I also had patients come in that were really sick in the second week, and that was such a learning experience for me because normally if somebody walked into my office with an oxygen saturation in the low 80s, I would call an ambulance.

00:12:12.000 But I had patients who were refusing to go to the hospital, and I had to give them the option to possibly die in my office.

00:12:21.000 Which is scary.

00:12:22.000 But we saved him.

00:12:24.000 I mean, we just threw the kitchen sink at him.

00:12:27.000 And we didn't have monoclonal antibodies.

00:12:28.000 So we brought him in every day.

00:12:30.000 We did IV steroids.

00:12:32.000 We did IV antibiotics.

00:12:33.000 We gave him home oxygen.

00:12:35.000 We gave him high dose of ivermectin.

00:12:37.000 We did everything we could, and it was amazing.

00:12:40.000 I mean, they survived.

00:12:41.000 It was very gratifying.

00:12:43.000 So you think it was probably a combination of all the different medications and all the different treatments?

00:12:48.000 You know, I would vary my approach depending on the severity, the comorbidities.

00:12:52.000 I mean, it's an art, not a, you know, a protocol is a guideline, right?

00:12:56.000 But every patient is sort of And so for the patients, you know, the one patient I'm thinking of, I mean, he had a history of two heart attacks.

00:13:04.000 He had a history of throat cancer.

00:13:06.000 He came in with an oxygen level.

00:13:08.000 It was below 80. I can't remember exactly what it was.

00:13:11.000 But I mean, so I just did everything.

00:13:13.000 You know, I took everything that I could.

00:13:15.000 And gave it to him, and it worked.

00:13:17.000 And I had a few people like that.

00:13:19.000 But if a 20-year-old came in, I'd probably just give him some ivermectin.

00:13:24.000 It just depends.

00:13:25.000 Why did you decide to try ivermectin, even though there was all this negative propaganda?

00:13:31.000 Well, because I had patients coming to see me who...

00:13:35.000 I mean, I just wasn't going to shut my door.

00:13:37.000 I'd already established that I could help people with monoclonal antibodies.

00:13:39.000 So I still had people coming to me seeking help.

00:13:43.000 And I just didn't have the heart to say no.

00:13:45.000 And I knew it was safe.

00:13:46.000 So I knew that, you know, it was a little bit iffy, but I knew it was safe.

00:13:50.000 And there was good data showing it worked.

00:13:52.000 It's just...

00:13:57.000 I learned that in residency.

00:13:59.000 All residents learn that.

00:14:00.000 We have something called Journal Club where you sit down once a week and you pour through different articles.

00:14:06.000 And the takeaway is most articles are, you know, crap.

00:14:11.000 They're low power or they're conflicts of interest or they're designed poorly.

00:14:20.000 You know, my mindset coming into the pandemic was, you know, the research, the journals are a starting point, but it's not the final say is your own clinical experience and what you're seeing.

00:14:34.000 And, you know, we had never seen COVID before.

00:14:36.000 This is a brand new entity.

00:14:38.000 So we were learning on the fly, but I've never...

00:14:46.000 I'm sure I never will again.

00:14:48.000 And so you quickly become an expert.

00:14:50.000 And, you know, doctor, I can't speak for all doctors, but we like to do well.

00:14:55.000 We like our patients to get better.

00:14:57.000 It's gratifying.

00:14:57.000 That's sort of how you get job satisfaction is seeing your patients do well.

00:15:02.000 So why would I, you know, continue to have, you know, COVID patients come in if I couldn't help them?

00:15:09.000 And it's astounding to me that the doctors in the hospitals just didn't pivot, didn't try new things.

00:15:17.000 And I guess they were handcuffed by the hospital administrators.

00:15:21.000 But it just seems to me that there was a doctor in Houston, Joe Verone, who I'm pretty good friends with, who is a critical care doctor.

00:15:31.000 And he was one of the founders of FLCCC, which is sort of they developed the original protocols for ivermectin.

00:15:38.000 Dr. Verone had much better success than most other doctors.

00:15:42.000 His overall success rate was 4.4% of his patients died, whereas in other hospitals, averaged around 20%.

00:15:49.000 And he did.

00:15:51.000 He threw the kitchen sink at people, and he basically followed this FLCCC hospital protocol.

00:15:58.000 So when the monoclonal antibodies were suppressed, what was the messaging?

00:16:06.000 Like, what did they say to doctors?

00:16:08.000 They said that the strain of the virus was no longer covered so that it had evolved and it wouldn't work.

00:16:15.000 At the same time, they're using the exact same vaccine.

00:16:18.000 Exactly.

00:16:19.000 And they had switched the monoclonal antibodies periodically.

00:16:22.000 So it wasn't like they started with one and stuck with it the whole time.

00:16:25.000 They switched it as things evolved.

00:16:29.000 It was really clear.

00:16:31.000 And the propaganda was shocking because we've all seen propaganda with foreign conflicts, weapons of mass destruction, all that jazz.

00:16:40.000 We've all seen propaganda.

00:16:41.000 But when Rolling Stone magazine printed an article saying that people were – the hospitals were overflowing with people overdosing on ivermectin and gunshot victims couldn't get in.

00:16:53.000 And then they used a stock photo, which was of a bunch of people wearing winter coats in like – I think it was I think the article was August in Oklahoma like the whole thing was it was so brazen and sloppy and obvious especially In the age of Google, if this had all gone down in the 1980s, we would all be in the dark.

00:17:17.000 We would have no idea.

00:17:18.000 We would have been like, wow, I guess the Ivermexin is killing people.

00:17:22.000 We wouldn't have known until like 2030.

00:17:25.000 You know, people would have like, you have been a conspiracy theorist.

00:17:28.000 You've been a crazy person, like one of those people that could tell you all the facts about the Kennedy assassination.

00:17:32.000 You know, with wild eyes.

00:17:34.000 Oliver Stone, you know, but like people that were anti-vaccine or anti-anything.

00:17:55.000 These are the best people at the front of the line.

00:17:58.000 Trust them.

00:17:59.000 Five years later, I'm like, don't trust anybody.

00:18:01.000 They're all compromised.

00:18:02.000 It's all money.

00:18:03.000 And that was the most disheartening thing.

00:18:07.000 The propaganda was disheartening, but it was that the whole system is compromised.

00:18:12.000 And then when I found out that pharmaceutical drug companies are – they're the ones that are funding studies and that they could have a whole ton of studies.

00:18:21.000 They don't have to divulge all the data from their studies.

00:18:24.000 They only have to show you some studies that were carefully crafted to show efficacy.

00:18:28.000 But all the other studies that they had that even showed negative effects, they could bury those.

00:18:33.000 They didn't have – they weren't held responsible.

00:18:36.000 Exactly.

00:18:36.000 I was like, what is this?

00:18:38.000 But it's like everything in the world when money gets involved.

00:18:44.000 You know, that Rolling Stone tweet is still up.

00:18:46.000 I found it yesterday.

00:18:48.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:18:49.000 That's so wild.

00:18:49.000 Look at that.

00:18:50.000 Look at these people wearing winter coats.

00:18:53.000 So apparently this was a bunch of people that were waiting in line for the flu shot.

00:18:57.000 Gunshot victims.

00:18:58.000 All those people got shot.

00:18:59.000 What the fuck is going on in Oklahoma?

00:19:01.000 They're just shooting folks.

00:19:02.000 They think it's the Wild West out there.

00:19:04.000 Imagine if those were all gunshot.

00:19:06.000 But look how crazy that article is, or that tweet is.

00:19:10.000 Gunshot victims left waiting as horse dewormer overdoses overwhelm Oklahoma.

00:19:16.000 By the way, zero horse dewormers there.

00:19:20.000 Zero.

00:19:21.000 It was a total lie.

00:19:23.000 And, you know, even last Friday, Vanity Fair did an article on Maha and Cali Means, and they quoted me in it.

00:19:32.000 And in their description of me, they used horse dewormer.

00:19:38.000 I could not believe it.

00:19:39.000 Still!

00:19:39.000 Catherine Ebon.

00:19:41.000 The reporter for Vanity Fair.

00:19:43.000 And she buddied up to me, acted like we were good friends.

00:19:46.000 That's how they always do it.

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00:21:12.000 I learned a valuable lesson.

00:21:14.000 It's so dirty.

00:21:15.000 It's such a dirty business.

00:21:16.000 God, I used to have massive respect for journalists.

00:21:19.000 If I had never done this podcast, I'd be your regular schmo out there with, you know, just spitting out all the company lines that all the...

00:21:29.000 I kind of liked it better then.

00:21:32.000 It was a lot easier, right?

00:21:34.000 Ignorance is bliss.

00:21:35.000 I didn't think the world was filled with demons, money hungry demons that are willing to sacrifice human lives in the pursuit of of It's crazy.

00:21:45.000 That's why we have to continue this fight because people have lost all trust with good reason.

00:21:50.000 With good reason.

00:21:51.000 That's why I'm having you on.

00:21:52.000 That's why I continue to talk.

00:21:53.000 People are like, stop with the COVID already.

00:21:55.000 I get it, folks.

00:21:56.000 If this is not for you, move on.

00:21:58.000 Mary and I will still be bitching about this for the next three years. 0.86

00:22:02.000 Well, you know, for me, it was just it was such a wake up call because it's so weird to see your face on TV green.

00:22:08.000 First of all, that was weird.

00:22:10.000 And then this term horse dewormer.

00:22:11.000 I'm like, why?

00:22:12.000 We guys aren't concentrating on the fact that a 55-year-old man is fine three days later during the worst strain.

00:22:20.000 It was during the Delta where everybody's freaking out.

00:22:22.000 This one's going to kill us all.

00:22:23.000 And I was fine in three days.

00:22:25.000 And I made this video.

00:22:26.000 I'm like, I'm sorry I have to cancel the concert this weekend.

00:22:29.000 You know, I got COVID.

00:22:30.000 But I'm good now.

00:22:31.000 And then I had...

00:22:35.000 I thought that was just going to be the people that bought tickets to see Dave Chappelle and I in New Orleans.

00:22:42.000 Wherever it was.

00:22:43.000 That's all it was going to be.

00:22:44.000 Those folks are going to be upset.

00:22:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:22:46.000 We'll make it up to you.

00:22:47.000 Your tickets still count.

00:22:49.000 That's all I thought it was going to be.

00:22:50.000 I thought it was going to be like a normal tweet that I put out or a normal Instagram post that I put out.

00:22:55.000 And then all of a sudden, I hear that Neil Young wants me removed from Spotify.

00:23:00.000 I was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:23:02.000 This is crazy.

00:23:04.000 Spotify got calls from two former presidents.

00:23:07.000 Really?

00:23:07.000 Oh yeah.

00:23:10.000 Did you get censored or deplatformed in any way?

00:23:14.000 No, I grew by 2 million subscribers in a month.

00:23:16.000 Right.

00:23:16.000 I did.

00:23:17.000 Because people started listening.

00:23:19.000 Because they made it sound like I was this maniac and they started listening like oh He took it himself.

00:23:40.000 He was reporting his insane adverse side effect where he almost died.

00:23:45.000 He was telling about it, and they labeled him a kook for that.

00:23:49.000 What made you so awake, though?

00:23:51.000 Well, that!

00:23:52.000 Just Malone?

00:23:54.000 No, well, Malone, Peter McCullough.

00:23:58.000 I've always been the type of person that is like, if someone is saying something and they have rock-solid connect, Dr. Peter McCullough is the most published physician in his field in human history.

00:24:12.000 Like, this is an incredibly well-respected doctor.

00:24:15.000 Up until he took a moral and ethical stand, saying that this is not what they're saying, this is not what we should be doing, and then destroyed.

00:24:25.000 They tried to destroy his career.

00:24:28.000 It's insane.

00:24:28.000 But the man has incredible courage, and he was labeled all kinds.

00:24:32.000 When I would tell people he's the most published physician in time, you'd see their eyes glaze away.

00:24:37.000 They didn't want to hear it.

00:24:38.000 I'm like, maybe he's right.

00:24:40.000 Well, five years later, we know he's right.

00:24:42.000 We know he was right.

00:24:43.000 He was right all along.

00:24:45.000 So for me, there's always a bunch of people that are ideologically or financially captured.

00:24:54.000 And then there's people that feel morally obligated to tell the truth.

00:24:58.000 And you can spot those people.

00:25:00.000 And when I spotted a few of them, I'm like, okay.

00:25:02.000 Let me hear him out.

00:25:03.000 I might be the guy that goes, no, this guy's a kook and he's going to cost people lives. 1.00

00:25:08.000 Or I might be someone who goes, hey, everybody, hit the brakes.

00:25:11.000 Like, you might be getting bamboozled here.

00:25:14.000 And especially the real concern with any sort of a new drug is always the side effects.

00:25:22.000 But when you have indemnity, when you have complete immunity for any financial liability, like the vaccine manufacturers do, and all you have to do is label it a vaccine.

00:25:32.000 Right.

00:25:32.000 Because that's not a traditional vaccine.

00:25:35.000 It's just not.

00:25:36.000 They changed the definition for mRNA vaccine technology.

00:25:39.000 Before that, it was not that.

00:25:41.000 It was a very different thing.

00:25:43.000 We all had in our head, vaccines are good.

00:25:45.000 That's why they don't get sued, because we need vaccines.

00:25:49.000 And then, unfortunately, I read Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci.

00:25:55.000 I was like, oh, my God.

00:25:57.000 What was your initial thought about the COVID shot?

00:26:01.000 What was your mindset?

00:26:02.000 I was ready to take it.

00:26:02.000 Did you take it?

00:26:03.000 No, I didn't take it.

00:26:04.000 But that's why they were so mad at me.

00:26:05.000 I was ready to take it.

00:26:08.000 The UFC had allocated shots for all the Johnson& Johnson for all their employees.

00:26:14.000 And I showed up there on a Saturday, which was the day of the fights.

00:26:18.000 And I said, can you give it to me?

00:26:20.000 And they said, yeah, sure.

00:26:21.000 Let's call the doctor.

00:26:22.000 We'll set it up.

00:26:23.000 I thought I was going to get a shot.

00:26:24.000 I thought it was like a flu shot.

00:26:25.000 Like, I'll get that shot and I'll go do the broadcast.

00:26:27.000 I was going to do the broadcast.

00:26:28.000 I didn't think anything of it.

00:26:29.000 I was not worried about it at all.

00:26:31.000 And they said, no, you have to come to the clinic and do it.

00:26:33.000 Could you do that on Monday?

00:26:34.000 And I said, I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks.

00:26:36.000 During the time that I was trying to get it, and then in two weeks later when the next fights were, it got pulled from the market because of blood clots.

00:26:46.000 And then two people I knew had strokes.

00:26:49.000 And I was like, hold the fuck up.

00:26:52.000 And then I got real nervous because there was a lot of family members that were really pushing it.

00:26:57.000 You need to get vaccinated.

00:26:58.000 Everyone should get vaccinated.

00:26:59.000 Have you gotten vaccinated?

00:27:00.000 Get vaccinated.

00:27:00.000 We all need to do our part.

00:27:02.000 We all need to get vaccinated.

00:27:03.000 And then I became a heretic.

00:27:05.000 Then I was like, okay, I don't think I want to do that.

00:27:09.000 A bunch of friends that had horrible side effects, including one of them who is a young guy who is a pacemaker now.

00:27:16.000 His heart stopped beating for like nine seconds at a time and he would black out.

00:27:19.000 It was wild shit was happening.

00:27:22.000 And I was like, I don't understand why this isn't on the news.

00:27:25.000 I don't understand.

00:27:27.000 And then I'm like, oh my God, I'm the news.

00:27:30.000 I'm like, I have to be the news.

00:27:31.000 I don't want to be the news.

00:27:33.000 I like talking shit.

00:27:34.000 I like having a bunch of comedians here.

00:27:36.000 We have laughs.

00:27:37.000 We get silly.

00:27:38.000 Have a few drinks.

00:27:39.000 Watch some funny videos.

00:27:41.000 Crack each other.

00:27:41.000 Have fun!

00:27:42.000 Or scientists.

00:27:43.000 I like to have fascinating people in here.

00:27:45.000 Tell me how the cosmos was formed.

00:27:46.000 I don't want to be someone who distributes information to the masses that's been lied to.

00:27:52.000 I don't have any lofty goals like that.

00:27:55.000 Like, I want to be the one who tells the truth.

00:27:58.000 And that's not what I do.

00:28:00.000 I'm just a curious person who talks to people.

00:28:03.000 Was it hard for you to get ivermectin?

00:28:05.000 No.

00:28:05.000 I got it from India like that.

00:28:07.000 I got boxes of it.

00:28:09.000 I was handing it out to everybody.

00:28:10.000 Most people don't have to go to India to get their medicine.

00:28:13.000 I know.

00:28:14.000 Well, that was after my doctor got it for me.

00:28:17.000 My doctor got it for me.

00:28:18.000 I think I fucked it up for everybody.

00:28:20.000 I think me becoming the attack boy when they went after me.

00:28:23.000 I don't think they would have attacked anybody.

00:28:26.000 That didn't have a large platform like that and I don't think they would I should say it better I don't think they would have attacked ivermectin the way they did I think they would have just suppressed it and it wouldn't have been a public thing because it wouldn't have got out I think the problem was me saying that the thing the crazy thing is I said all that other stuff too I said IV vitamins I said Z-Pak prednisone I told them all the things my doctor put me on.

00:28:51.000 And all they concentrated on was this ivermectin thing.

00:28:54.000 I was like, this is wild.

00:28:56.000 Like, what is going on?

00:28:57.000 And then I was like, am I wrong about ivermectin?

00:28:59.000 And then I started just reading about the scientists, the team that invented it and how they won a Nobel Prize.

00:29:05.000 I'm like, okay, what the hell is happening?

00:29:08.000 Like, this is nuts.

00:29:09.000 This is so weird.

00:29:10.000 Well, it was all part of getting the shot in every arm.

00:29:14.000 And they had to go after ivermectin.

00:29:18.000 I mean, they launched a war on ivermectin.

00:29:20.000 Pierre Corey wrote a book about it.

00:29:22.000 Yes.

00:29:23.000 I had Pierre on early on, too.

00:29:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:25.000 And I actually sued the FDA over that horse tweet.

00:29:29.000 And we won.

00:29:30.000 It hasn't really changed anything.

00:29:33.000 So the FDA, when they put that information or misinformation out against ivermectin, they were really crossing a line because they're not allowed to tell the public, you can't take a medication for this or you should take a medication for that.

00:29:47.000 They're basically allowed to just approve medications and move on.

00:29:51.000 I mean, they can issue a safety alert if there's something that comes up, but they're not allowed to really...

00:30:00.000 And so we did sue them, and we won, and they had to take down the horse tweet, and they had to take down the misinformation on their website.

00:30:08.000 But unfortunately, as, you know, evidenced by what just happened on Vanity Fair, I mean, the brand of it being only for animals still lives on.

00:30:18.000 And, you know, it'd be great.

00:30:19.000 What happened at Vanity Fair?

00:30:20.000 So the reporter still used the term horse dewormer?

00:30:23.000 Oh, with the recent article.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 Wild.

00:30:26.000 Right.

00:30:26.000 Wild.

00:30:27.000 You're still being able to horse dewormer push her in 2025. 0.97

00:30:30.000 Right, right.

00:30:32.000 When Chris Cuomo is out there talking about how he's taking it for long COVID.

00:30:36.000 Right, right.

00:30:37.000 But it would be great if the FDA...

00:30:46.000 They don't have to say much more than that, but we could use a little help in rebranding ivermectin.

00:30:52.000 And there are also a bunch of states that are trying to make it over-the-counter.

00:30:56.000 I'm not sure if you've seen that.

00:30:57.000 Yes, I have.

00:30:58.000 Seventeen states have had bills in the last legislative session trying to get ivermectin over-the-counter.

00:31:04.000 Three have been successful, so Tennessee, Idaho, and Arkansas.

00:31:09.000 Four is still in deliberations, and ten, they failed.

00:31:14.000 But another thing the FDA, I believe, should do is make ivermectin over-the-counter because people are basically going to the feed store.

00:31:22.000 I mean, my own kid, he had some sort of scabies situation in West Texas over the weekend.

00:31:29.000 He had to go to the feed store to get And I did a poll on Twitter.

00:31:34.000 52% of the respondents said they go to the feed store to get their ivermectin.

00:31:38.000 Is there any difference in the ivermectin from the feed store?

00:31:41.000 I don't know.

00:31:41.000 I mean, I haven't heard of anybody having issues, but it's just unnecessary.

00:31:44.000 This is America.

00:31:45.000 It's crazy.

00:31:46.000 The medication very easily.

00:31:48.000 And there is some sort of an efficacy for some sort of skin infections.

00:31:51.000 Is that true?

00:31:52.000 Scabies is one of them.

00:31:54.000 Yeah, but you use it topically?

00:31:56.000 Is that how it's used?

00:31:57.000 You can.

00:31:58.000 I mean, for scabies, actually, you can take it orally.

00:32:00.000 Okay.

00:32:01.000 But, yeah, so we shouldn't have to go to India.

00:32:04.000 We shouldn't have to go to the feed store.

00:32:06.000 We should be able to just go to You need any more, my friend?

00:32:13.000 I don't know.

00:32:13.000 That kind of worries me.

00:32:14.000 I just bought boxes.

00:32:16.000 I was handing out boxes to people because so many people were telling me they couldn't get it.

00:32:19.000 Right, right.

00:32:20.000 And so I'm like, let me just get a lot of it while I still can.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess it's probably fine, but it's just unnecessary.

00:32:28.000 People are giving it to me at shows.

00:32:29.000 Oh, they were?

00:32:30.000 As gifts?

00:32:31.000 I carry it around my purse.

00:32:33.000 Do you really?

00:32:34.000 I'm rummaging for something.

00:32:35.000 Oh, here's my ivermectin.

00:32:36.000 Oh, I know people that take it as a prophylactic all the time.

00:32:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:39.000 Which is so...

00:32:47.000 How many people who had yellow fever and river blindness, all sorts of different parasitic infections.

00:32:54.000 It won a Nobel Prize.

00:32:55.000 And it showed that it stopped viral replication in vitro.

00:32:59.000 They knew that.

00:33:01.000 I remember when I brought that up to Sanjay Gupta.

00:33:03.000 It was like, but you know it does, right?

00:33:05.000 And you can see the look on his face where it's like, he couldn't talk about that.

00:33:10.000 He'd skirt around it and just do his best.

00:33:12.000 But it was like, this is kind of crazy to make an off-label medication so taboo.

00:33:19.000 And then to stop monoclonal antibodies.

00:33:21.000 Just stop them.

00:33:23.000 Well, you couldn't get them.

00:33:24.000 My friend, one of his buddies was in the hospital, and because he was in the hospital, they wouldn't give him monoclonal antibodies.

00:33:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:31.000 If you cross that threshold, you are not going to get monoclonal antibodies.

00:33:36.000 What is that about?

00:33:36.000 Does that make any sense to you?

00:33:38.000 Well, they did it by the day.

00:33:39.000 Apparently, there was some data showing if you gave it too late in the time course, it actually makes things worse.

00:33:44.000 How many people did they give it to that were too late?

00:33:46.000 How do we know this?

00:33:48.000 It's a little suspicious.

00:33:49.000 It does seem suspicious because like why would if something Now, if you're trying to stop someone who's on the brink of death, which this gentleman wound up dying and they didn't get it to him, if you're just trying to stop and you can't do it because you're in the hospital?

00:34:13.000 Because you're admitted?

00:34:14.000 You should have crazy data that shows after 14 your feet fall off.

00:34:19.000 14 days of infection.

00:34:20.000 Your feet fall off.

00:34:21.000 You go blind if you take it.

00:34:22.000 Can't give it to you.

00:34:23.000 My theory is they probably had a massive inflammatory response because we would see that.

00:34:28.000 People would get the monoclonal antibodies and they would just feel like complete hell that night because it was like a little war going on in the body.

00:34:35.000 And then they would wake up the next day feeling great.

00:34:38.000 I don't know if you've had that experience.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, I pretty much did.

00:34:41.000 So the second week of illness was the massive inflammatory response.

00:34:46.000 My thinking is the monoclonal antibodies may have just exacerbated that.

00:34:50.000 But they could have counteracted that with high-dose steroids.

00:34:53.000 And that was another thing.

00:34:54.000 They gave these, like, piddly doses of steroids in the hospital.

00:34:58.000 And what steroids in particular?

00:35:01.000 Methylprednisolone or solumedrol was what we typically used.

00:35:03.000 Is that prednisone what I took?

00:35:05.000 Is that the same thing?

00:35:06.000 No.

00:35:06.000 Well, prednisone is an oral.

00:35:07.000 There are different types.

00:35:09.000 But, like, I usually do a medrol dose pack rather than prednisone because it's been shown to help better with respiratory.

00:35:16.000 It's not a huge deal.

00:35:17.000 But in the hospitals, they could give solumedrol and high doses of that.

00:35:22.000 But they were giving very small doses of steroid, which is the problem.

00:35:27.000 Interesting.

00:35:28.000 Well, that's also one of the things that they talked about in the RFK Jr. book, was that the studies that were saying that it was ineffective, the studies were not using the protocol that these doctors were using.

00:35:44.000 And it seemed like these studies were designed to fail.

00:35:46.000 Exactly.

00:35:47.000 Exactly.

00:35:48.000 And, you know, like I said, you can find a study to support or go against anything you want, basically.

00:35:55.000 So I just relied on my clinical experience.

00:35:58.000 And I just had so many people saying, wow, it really made a big difference.

00:36:02.000 And I saw people staying out of the hospital and it wasn't hurting anybody.

00:36:07.000 But yeah, a lot of those studies were basically designed to fail.

00:36:11.000 Either, you know, the dose wasn't high enough or they gave it too late or it was heavily funded by somebody that doesn't want it to succeed.

00:36:19.000 Yeah, it's all very bizarre.

00:36:22.000 Like, it's really bizarre to live through.

00:36:24.000 And for you as a person who was out of medicine and then said, jump back in six months before all this, like, what is it like to have your worldview sort of like spun around like that?

00:36:37.000 I mean, it's good and bad.

00:36:39.000 Like, I feel sorry for the people that don't get it in a lot of ways.

00:36:44.000 But I just never thought it would come to all this.

00:36:48.000 You know, I didn't go back to work to have a huge, huge career.

00:36:53.000 I was just basically trying to stay busy and, you know, active.

00:36:56.000 And help people.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:58.000 But I didn't envision this at all.

00:37:01.000 It's been very impactful.

00:37:03.000 I'll say that.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, what has it been like having to do this?

00:37:10.000 Having to do all these podcasts?

00:37:12.000 Yeah, it's wild.

00:37:15.000 Yeah, it's not what I envisioned at all.

00:37:18.000 But it's been, you know, I feel vindicated, finally.

00:37:21.000 At least I'm not embarrassed to go to the school of functions anymore or show up at the sporting events.

00:37:26.000 Or, you know, I used to be scared to go to the grocery store because they just came after me so hard.

00:37:32.000 And in Houston, I mean, Houston Methodist Hospital is sort of the country club, you know, the elite of the hospitals.

00:37:38.000 And so for them to come after me was a big deal.

00:37:43.000 It's hard to get privileges there.

00:37:45.000 You know, their tagline is leading medicine, and they were very proud of being the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots.

00:37:53.000 They didn't need to go after me.

00:37:55.000 I mean, I was nothing.

00:37:56.000 I was, you know, I saw a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand scheme of things, I really wasn't, you know, I was not really doing anything.

00:38:04.000 It's the Streisand effect, right?

00:38:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:07.000 They attacked you, and by doing so, they made the whole thing way bigger than it needed to be.

00:38:13.000 But they did silence other doctors.

00:38:15.000 I mean, I hear from doctors all the time that won't say anything because of what they did to me.

00:38:21.000 Yeah, no, there's a lot of doctors that I know that were in danger of losing their license because they had prescribed ivermectin.

00:38:27.000 And that was another thing.

00:38:29.000 The Federation of State Medical Boards, which is this private entity, they're actually located in Texas, who oversees all the state medical boards.

00:38:39.000 They sent out a directive to all the state medical boards concerning ivermectin, concerning misinformation, and basically encouraging the medical boards to go after doctors like myself.

00:38:51.000 And, I mean, I'm still tangled up with a medical board trying to clear my name.

00:38:57.000 But they did that.

00:38:58.000 It all happened in that fall of 2021, right when Biden mandated the shots.

00:39:05.000 They really came down hard on the doctors.

00:39:08.000 So what did they do specifically to you?

00:39:11.000 So I got several complaints, but only one of them has really stuck.

00:39:16.000 The others I've cleared my name on, but they were all involving ivermectin.

00:39:21.000 No patient harm.

00:39:22.000 The one that has stuck is from a hospital in Dallas called Texas Hughley Hospital, and there was this man, a sheriff's deputy, father of six.

00:39:32.000 He's basically dying.

00:39:33.000 They were talking hospice.

00:39:34.000 And his wife wanted him to have the opportunity to try ivermectin.

00:39:38.000 And he had tried to get it before getting in the hospital and couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it.

00:39:43.000 So wife knew he was okay with it.

00:39:46.000 And so she sued the hospital.

00:39:48.000 And then she asked me to come on as sort of the expert.

00:39:51.000 They had to have a doctor who was willing to prescribe it because they can't force the doctors to prescribe a medication.

00:39:57.000 But they could force the hospital to give a doctor privileges who was willing to prescribe it.

00:40:03.000 So that's where I came in.

00:40:04.000 And we won the case.

00:40:06.000 And the hospital had a court order saying that they were going to give me emergency temporary privileges so that I could go into the hospital and give him ivermectin.

00:40:15.000 Well, there was all this, you know, stall tactics.

00:40:18.000 They were supposed to give me the privileges the same day.

00:40:21.000 And in other circumstances at that time, because of the pandemic, they were giving doctors same-day privileges.

00:40:28.000 It wasn't this lengthy application process because there was a shortage of doctors.

00:40:33.000 But for me, they made me submit my surgical case log for the last three years.

00:40:38.000 They made me get three letters of recommendation.

00:40:40.000 They made me fill out like a 30-page application.

00:40:43.000 I got it all done in 24 hours.

00:40:46.000 And then they're like, no, no, we're actually going to deny you privileges.

00:40:50.000 So it turned out into this big battle.

00:40:52.000 It became very confusing because they had to go back to the judge.

00:40:54.000 And I finally got the green light, though.

00:40:57.000 The lawyer's like, we can go.

00:40:59.000 You've got the green light, the judge.

00:41:01.000 We got the order.

00:41:02.000 There's no stay on the order.

00:41:03.000 I send a nurse to the hospital because this is in Dallas and I'm in Houston.

00:41:08.000 Shows up with the court order and the police.

00:41:11.000 Greet her and turn her away. 0.85

00:41:13.000 There's not a big scene.

00:41:15.000 She leaves, but she's not allowed to give him ivermectin.

00:41:17.000 It turns out they did get a stay, but our lawyers weren't aware of it at the time.

00:41:23.000 But this is what they're going after me.

00:41:25.000 They said that I sent a nurse to the hospital without privileges, and I caused a scene, and I harmed other patients by doing this.

00:41:34.000 And it has been—I mean, it's three and a half years.

00:41:36.000 They can't find an expert witness to testify against me.

00:41:39.000 There have been three continuances.

00:41:42.000 They finally were awarded summary judgment against me.

00:41:45.000 So I'm already—they've decided I'm guilty.

00:41:48.000 And now I'm waiting for my punishment.

00:41:50.000 There was a hearing about a month ago to find out, you know, what they're going to fine me with and that sort of thing.

00:41:57.000 And I'm just waiting on that.

00:41:59.000 But I do plan on appealing.

00:42:01.000 It's just— Gotten crazy.

00:42:04.000 Wow.

00:42:06.000 So the first thing they attacked you with was what?

00:42:10.000 What was the first one?

00:42:12.000 For the medical board?

00:42:14.000 Yes.

00:42:15.000 I had one pharmacist turn me in because we sort of got in a pissing match on the phone.

00:42:23.000 And this is in 2021?

00:42:25.000 That might have been, I can't remember, but around that time.

00:42:28.000 I had another, I had a A father reached out to me.

00:42:33.000 A 17-year-old had a history of a kidney transplant.

00:42:37.000 And they were going to Europe.

00:42:38.000 And they wanted to have ivermectin just in case he got sick.

00:42:42.000 And I was talking to the dad and the stepmother.

00:42:45.000 I didn't realize I wasn't talking to the mother.

00:42:47.000 So the mother found out I prescribed him ivermectin and turned me in.

00:42:52.000 But ivermectin is metabolized by the liver, not the kidney.

00:42:56.000 So it would be no harm for him to get...

00:43:02.000 And he never took the medicine.

00:43:04.000 But it cost me $16,000 in legal fees to get that straightened out.

00:43:10.000 So this was your first experience, like, oh my god, this is a real battle.

00:43:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:17.000 I mean, I've never been in any trouble.

00:43:18.000 I've never been sued.

00:43:20.000 Would it feel weird publicly yet?

00:43:23.000 Like when you were saying you were having a hard time going to the grocery store, you're worried that – That was when Methodists came after me. 1.00

00:43:29.000 So Methodists, Yeah, they tweeted about me.

00:43:33.000 I found out that my privileges were suspended from a text message from a reporter.

00:43:38.000 That's how I found out.

00:43:39.000 I looked at my phone and I was like, what are you talking about?

00:43:43.000 I did.

00:43:43.000 I said, check your sources.

00:43:44.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:43:46.000 And then I go to my email and they suspended me and then they tweeted about it.

00:43:49.000 And it went, you know, I had CNN, Washington Post going after me.

00:43:54.000 It was, it was, it was.

00:43:56.000 I mean, I was just a mom of four with a small practice, and all of a sudden I've got CNN calling me.

00:44:06.000 What was going through your mind while that was happening?

00:44:10.000 I spent the weekend in the fetal position in a lot of tears, and then I was like, I was pissed.

00:44:17.000 On Monday, I hired a lawyer, and I hired a guy to help me with the press.

00:44:23.000 And I held a press conference on Monday.

00:44:24.000 I resigned, and then I sued them.

00:44:28.000 And then I just have been working to try to clear my name.

00:44:33.000 Wow.

00:44:36.000 It's just so hard to imagine for someone who's never experienced what you went through, what that must be like emotionally to just get thrown to the wolves in front of the world.

00:44:50.000 Like publicly by people like CNN, like where it gets so weird because if that never happens to you, you look at CNN and you go, oh, they're the news.

00:45:00.000 They're going to tell me the truth.

00:45:01.000 I just automatically thought that.

00:45:04.000 Or they're at least saying what they're allowed to say.

00:45:07.000 Maybe the government holds back some information, but they're not going to lie.

00:45:17.000 I think the harder was, you know, CNN, whatever, but it's more just the locally, like, going to the grocery store, going to the baseball game with your kids playing and, like, hoping, you know, sitting in a corner because you don't want anybody to see you.

00:45:28.000 Did anybody ever bother you?

00:45:30.000 No.

00:45:31.000 Honestly, no.

00:45:32.000 But you just feel very self-conscious.

00:45:34.000 It's hard not to.

00:45:35.000 Even now, I still feel self-conscious, but it's a lot better.

00:45:46.000 So that was nice.

00:45:47.000 Well, a lot of people got red-pilled, to use the matrix expression, where they woke up to what's really going on.

00:45:56.000 It's kind of a masterful job of propaganda over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies have done.

00:46:02.000 I mean, because most people aren't even aware of how many drugs get pulled.

00:46:06.000 They're not aware of the high percentage of them.

00:46:09.000 What is it, in the 30s?

00:46:10.000 Well, yes, about 33 percent.

00:46:12.000 They looked at it over 10 years.

00:46:14.000 33 percent had significant safety warnings on the drugs.

00:46:19.000 And it took about four years for those to become recognized.

00:46:23.000 There are drugs I used to prescribe that are no longer on the market.

00:46:27.000 Like I said, any other drug would have definitely been pulled by now based on all the adverse events we've seen.

00:46:35.000 But it's just very profitable.

00:46:37.000 And that's what people have to wake up to.

00:46:40.000 There's a bunch of factors, right?

00:46:43.000 There's the primary one.

00:46:45.000 Which is a bunch of scientists that are really trying to help people.

00:46:49.000 and they're really trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all sorts of other problems and cancer and and these people are just constantly The money people who take that thing and say, how do we give Oxycontin to everybody?

00:47:02.000 And then you have the Sackler family, right?

00:47:04.000 You have evil.

00:47:05.000 You have, like, actual evil.

00:47:07.000 Maybe they don't have horns. 0.99

00:47:08.000 Maybe they don't have a forked tail. 0.99

00:47:10.000 But that's a demonic thing to do.

00:47:13.000 You're infecting people with essentially something that turns them into a zombie.

00:47:17.000 And it's killing people.

00:47:18.000 But you're going to make a lot of money.

00:47:20.000 In health, too.

00:47:21.000 Especially in health.

00:47:22.000 Well, it's because you're so trusted.

00:47:24.000 You're coming from a position of authority.

00:47:27.000 It's a very different thing, you know, especially in an area where most people are woefully ignorant.

00:47:33.000 I mean, look how many doctors who are practicing doctors who are woefully ignorant about nutrition.

00:47:40.000 Right.

00:47:40.000 It's an enormous amount, right?

00:47:43.000 Now imagine the average person who has to go to a specialist about something and they're being told, oh, you need Vioxx.

00:47:51.000 This is this thing I'm going to give you and it's going to cure your arthritis.

00:47:54.000 It's like, oh, great.

00:47:55.000 And then you fucking stroke out.

00:47:57.000 And the people who made that drug knew it was going to cause problems in people.

00:48:03.000 In the emails that were admitted during the hearings when they lost or during the court proceedings, they wound up paying a fraction of what they made.

00:48:12.000 They made like $12 billion they had to pay.

00:48:15.000 I think they had to pay five.

00:48:17.000 So they made seven, you know, with, you know, it's costs and stuff.

00:48:21.000 Stuff costs money.

00:48:22.000 But Jesus.

00:48:23.000 It's so hard to wake up to that.

00:48:27.000 It's so hard to, like, go, wait.

00:48:30.000 So they're not looking out for us?

00:48:32.000 They're not, like, trying to make us better?

00:48:33.000 I always thought they were the people that were the most wonderful people in the world.

00:48:37.000 They're the people that are providing the medication that's keeping everyone alive.

00:48:40.000 This is why our life expectancy is 100 years old now, as opposed to just 20 years ago.

00:48:46.000 Life expectancy has gone down, actually.

00:48:48.000 Whoops.

00:48:50.000 Despite all the vaccines.

00:48:52.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:54.000 And vaccines are even their own special class, right?

00:48:57.000 It's a religion.

00:48:58.000 It's a gospel.

00:48:59.000 I mean, it was never questioned in my training.

00:49:02.000 Never.

00:49:03.000 I would have never questioned it.

00:49:04.000 Not only that, I would not talk to anybody who did.

00:49:06.000 I'd be like, get out of here.

00:49:07.000 I'm not having an anti-vaxxer on the show.

00:49:09.000 Fuck off.

00:49:10.000 But after reading Suzanne Humphrey's book, and I had her on recently, reading that book, it was like, what?

00:49:17.000 Wait a minute.

00:49:18.000 What?

00:49:20.000 And then just look at the raw data of, like, when the vaccines were introduced and also when hygiene was introduced and sanitation was introduced and then massive drop-off of the disease.

00:49:29.000 And then at the very end, when it's almost gone, vaccines are introduced in almost every case.

00:49:34.000 And yet we all are thinking, like, thank God vaccines exist because otherwise we'd all have polio.

00:49:40.000 Like, oh, Christ.

00:49:42.000 Yeah, it bothers me that I never questioned it.

00:49:45.000 Never would have.

00:49:46.000 The polio one blew me away when you find out that that was the same time where they were using DDT everywhere. 0.98

00:49:51.000 And the people that were getting polio first were people in rural farmland communities where they sprayed DDT everywhere.

00:49:59.000 And it wasn't just affecting people.

00:50:00.000 It was affecting horses.

00:50:01.000 And it doesn't cross species.

00:50:03.000 So it wasn't the same thing.

00:50:06.000 Clearly something was going on and everybody got locked into this polio scare.

00:50:11.000 And to this day, I had a friend use that to me in a text message to me about, like, look, we have to really appreciate that.

00:50:19.000 You know, he's like trying to make up for some stupid joke.

00:50:22.000 And he was saying that, you know, look at Jonah Salk cure polio.

00:50:26.000 I'm like, oh.

00:50:30.000 I don't have the time to sit down and tell him there's a great book.

00:50:32.000 It's called Dissolving Illusions.

00:50:34.000 You should read it.

00:50:35.000 And then you should read Turtles All the Way Down.

00:50:37.000 It's another great book.

00:50:52.000 I had to apologize to him when I had him on the show.

00:50:55.000 I have to tell you, when I first heard of you, I thought you were a kook. 1.00

00:51:00.000 You're this anti-vaccine kook. 0.98

00:51:02.000 I was living in LA, working in Hollywood.

00:51:04.000 Whee! 1.00

00:51:05.000 I bought into it.

00:51:06.000 Hook, line, and secret.

00:51:07.000 Everybody around me thought that way, so I thought we all...

00:51:13.000 Yeah.

00:51:13.000 But I don't think you can really convince people.

00:51:15.000 I think they have to figure it out for themselves.

00:51:18.000 No, and they don't want to hear it.

00:51:19.000 That's the thing.

00:51:19.000 It's like telling someone their spaghetti monster in the sky is not real.

00:51:24.000 They don't want to hear it.

00:51:25.000 You just can't, right?

00:51:26.000 Yeah.

00:51:27.000 I've just given up.

00:51:28.000 But there's hope.

00:51:30.000 I mean...

00:51:32.000 You came around and you're not in the field, right?

00:51:34.000 And people, I think...

00:51:43.000 No, there's nothing good about it.

00:51:44.000 The only thing good about it was a shift in perspective, and that it's going to be way harder to pull some shit off like this again.

00:51:51.000 People are not going to buy into it, especially all those vaccine-injured people who keep getting gaslit.

00:51:57.000 Why do they keep calling it long COVID?

00:52:00.000 How come nobody I know wasn't vaccinated got long COVID?

00:52:03.000 Right, right.

00:52:04.000 What is this long COVID you speak of?

00:52:07.000 Where's the long pneumonia?

00:52:09.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:52:10.000 Why are you calling it?

00:52:12.000 Is it possible that this is a vaccine injury?

00:52:15.000 I'm just asking.

00:52:16.000 Well, yeah, I've been looking at antibody levels in these people, and it's alarming.

00:52:21.000 So we really don't have a lot of tests for vaccine injured.

00:52:26.000 It's hard because they'll get the million-dollar workup.

00:52:30.000 By the time they come to see me, you know, they've gone through, you know, multiple tests, multiple doctors.

00:52:36.000 It's not really a million dollars, is it, the workup?

00:52:38.000 Well, I don't know, but I'm exaggerating.

00:52:40.000 I just want to be clear.

00:52:41.000 I don't think it could be.

00:52:42.000 From some Vanity Fair King, horse dewormer, who claimed there was a million-dollar markup.

00:52:47.000 Actually, somebody should fact check me on that.

00:52:49.000 It's probably higher than a million, but...

00:52:59.000 So the doctors will put them on psychiatric medication.

00:53:02.000 They'll put them on sleeping pills and benzodiazepines and antidepressants.

00:53:06.000 Literally, I saw a patient was put on all three.

00:53:10.000 So the only test that I have found that does seem to correlate is this antibody test.

00:53:16.000 It's a spike protein antibody test.

00:53:19.000 LabCorp has it.

00:53:20.000 That's where I send people.

00:53:22.000 Quest has it, but they put the upper limit.

00:53:24.000 It's too low, so you don't really get a good sense.

00:53:27.000 The upper limit of the test is 25,000.

00:53:31.000 And people that have not gotten the COVID shots, I'd say it ranges usually under 1,000.

00:53:37.000 And then people that have gotten the shots, I mean, a lot of them are off the chart.

00:53:42.000 They're over 25,000.

00:53:44.000 But on average, they're probably 10 times higher than the people that have not gotten the shot.

00:53:48.000 And this is people who were vaccinated four years ago.

00:53:53.000 It wasn't like they just got the shot.

00:53:56.000 COVID's not an issue anymore in terms of, you know, people getting sick.

00:54:00.000 But four years later, you should not have sky-high antibody levels.

00:54:04.000 And that's what I'm seeing.

00:54:05.000 And that is alarming.

00:54:07.000 It just suggests that there is a lot of spike protein still in the body causing problems.

00:54:14.000 And haven't they shown that the spike protein continues to be produced in the body up to 700 days later?

00:54:21.000 Yes.

00:54:22.000 I mean, that's one study.

00:54:25.000 What's interesting in that study, the antibody levels were really low, which doesn't make sense.

00:54:30.000 I kind of questioned the whole study.

00:54:32.000 But, yeah, I mean, I see it.

00:54:36.000 I mean, I still see vaccine-injured patients coming to me for the first time years later.

00:54:41.000 Last week, I probably saw six new vaccine-injured patients.

00:54:46.000 And they're not getting any help.

00:54:50.000 The government, it's called the CICP, that's a countermeasures injury compensation program.

00:54:57.000 They're supposed to help these patients.

00:54:58.000 They have denied 98% of people that have applied for assistance.

00:55:02.000 On average, I think they've awarded 30 people, 30, of all the vaccine injured that have applied, 30 people.

00:55:11.000 On average, they award us like $4,000 for these people.

00:55:14.000 It's horrible.

00:55:15.000 I mean, these people's lives are just...

00:55:20.000 It's not like I can give them an antibiotic and they're good to go and they're fine.

00:55:24.000 I mean, they're very challenging.

00:55:26.000 We don't have a lot of guidance.

00:55:27.000 I do see a lot of success with ivermectin, but it's slow going.

00:55:33.000 It's usually, you know, months of trying to help them.

00:55:37.000 And the government really needs to help these people because there's a lot of people suffering.

00:55:43.000 And they're getting completely ignored.

00:55:45.000 The other issue is we don't even have a code.

00:55:47.000 So every disease has a numerical code.

00:55:51.000 It's called an ICD-10 code.

00:55:53.000 It's what they use to compensate people for the insurance companies use them, but also for tracking.

00:56:00.000 So if you have, you know, COVID has its own little code and you can just.

00:56:06.000 They don't have a code for vaccine injury.

00:56:09.000 They have a code for vaccine hesitancy, but they don't have a code for injury.

00:56:12.000 So all these people are just sort of, you know, they're getting all these diagnoses, but there's no way to track them.

00:56:19.000 It's a big problem.

00:56:20.000 How convenient.

00:56:20.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.000 Well, I would imagine the real problem with paying people is you'd have to pay so many.

00:56:28.000 We can just print the money.

00:56:30.000 I don't know what the problem is.

00:56:32.000 I mean, what do you give them?

00:56:34.000 What if you find out you have myocarditis and your life expectancy is greatly reduced and we know for a fact it came out of this vaccine?

00:56:42.000 What do you give a person like that?

00:56:44.000 Their life's wages?

00:56:45.000 What wages that they would have potentially earned?

00:56:48.000 What if it's Katy Perry?

00:56:49.000 Well, so be it.

00:56:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:51.000 Like, you have to give her $2 billion.

00:56:53.000 I don't care.

00:56:54.000 Like, what do you do?

00:56:54.000 The vaccine companies can pay that money.

00:56:57.000 I know, but it's insane.

00:56:58.000 The number of people that I personally know.

00:57:01.000 What's very shocking to me is when I talk to people that are pro-vaccine, still pro-vaccine, and when I be very specific, mRNA vaccine, still pro-COVID vaccine that will tell me they don't know anybody who was injured by it.

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:16.000 I was like, how is that possible?

00:57:17.000 How many people do you know?

00:57:19.000 I know a lot.

00:57:20.000 Yeah.

00:57:21.000 I know two people on Pacemakers.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 Two.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, everybody knows somebody.

00:57:26.000 Yeah, I know a lot of people that got fucked up, including family members.

00:57:30.000 I know a lot of people that got fucked up.

00:57:32.000 And people that don't want to admit they got fucked up, all of a sudden they have this new cancer that's spreading, like, rapidly.

00:57:38.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 It's terrifying.

00:57:39.000 You know, it's like...

00:57:42.000 I watched the Danny Jones podcast, and you guys were trying to get...

00:57:54.000 Well, my thing with Callie, I actually talked to him last night.

00:57:58.000 He will not go on record to state the COVID shots to be pulled off the market.

00:58:02.000 And that's the whole, he's the head of my, That's trying to appease too many people?

00:58:09.000 What do you think that is?

00:58:09.000 I can't read their minds, but I think anybody with a big microphone who is in a position of power...

00:58:21.000 That's how I see it.

00:58:22.000 I mean, I'm not a politician.

00:58:23.000 I keep hearing the word strategy.

00:58:26.000 But there are, you know, there are people I see.

00:58:29.000 I'm just faced with the carnage every day in my office.

00:58:32.000 It's just I can't ignore it.

00:58:35.000 And I don't understand why this is so difficult other than, you know.

00:58:40.000 Political, but it shouldn't be political.

00:58:42.000 It shouldn't be.

00:58:42.000 Right.

00:58:43.000 That's what's disappointing because we thought that this administration come in and it was just going to kick down doors.

00:58:47.000 Right.

00:58:48.000 Like, this is it.

00:58:49.000 Epstein list, day one.

00:58:50.000 Who killed JFK?

00:58:51.000 Let's find out.

00:58:52.000 What are all these fucking UFOs?

00:58:56.000 That was not my priority list, but yeah.

00:58:58.000 I'm mine.

00:58:58.000 I'm a dummy.

00:58:59.000 That was my number one.

00:59:02.000 Out of those three, give me that one.

00:59:06.000 Tell me the aliens are real.

00:59:07.000 But this political dance, this excuse for that.

00:59:11.000 So I really appreciated Jack Cruz kind of pestering him on that.

00:59:17.000 And then I've talked to Brett Weinstein about that as well.

00:59:20.000 And he gave a breakdown of how it actually happened and when the original kidney cells from these monkeys were being used to make vaccines.

00:59:33.000 That they inadvertently gave these people this Simeon Virus 40, which, when it gets into the human body, can lead to rapid cancer.

00:59:41.000 Right.

00:59:42.000 Well, yeah, that's one of the cancer-causing issues with these shots.

00:59:46.000 That's not the only one, though.

00:59:47.000 Right.

00:59:48.000 It goes into the cell.

00:59:50.000 It's supposed to not get into the nucleus.

00:59:52.000 But it could get in the nucleus.

00:59:53.000 We know that it can get into the nucleus.

00:59:55.000 And if it gets in the nucleus...

00:59:59.000 Right, right.

00:59:59.000 It's only going to stay in the arm, right?

01:00:00.000 It's going to stay right where your arm is.

01:00:02.000 Your body will react to it.

01:00:03.000 It will produce the antibodies.

01:00:04.000 And then you're good to go.

01:00:05.000 And then all these silly people, you can watch them die in the streets and laugh as you step over them.

01:00:10.000 Ha, ha, ha.

01:00:11.000 I was smart.

01:00:12.000 Right.

01:00:12.000 I trusted the science.

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 So they know that that's not true.

01:00:19.000 It doesn't stay local.

01:00:20.000 They know it doesn't dissipate within a small amount of time that it was supposed to stay inside your body.

01:00:24.000 They know that's not true.

01:00:26.000 Right.

01:00:27.000 So, yeah, they replaced one of the nucleotides with something that's hard to break down, pseudouridine.

01:00:34.000 They've never shown that pseudouridine is cleared from the body.

01:00:37.000 There's no study showing that we can clear it.

01:00:39.000 So that could be why these people have these sky-high antibody levels four years later.

01:00:45.000 Because the body might not be able to break it down.

01:00:47.000 Oh my god.

01:00:49.000 Oh my god, that's terrifying.

01:00:52.000 What could you conceive of?

01:00:54.000 That would help something like that?

01:00:57.000 Like, what could you do that would aid the body in being able to do something like that?

01:01:00.000 Is there anything theorized?

01:01:02.000 I don't know.

01:01:03.000 I wish, you know, Robert Malone would be a good person to ask, maybe.

01:01:07.000 He should come back on and do a victory lap anyway.

01:01:11.000 That guy was torn apart.

01:01:13.000 They were trying so hard to make him out to seem to be a kook. 0.95

01:01:16.000 And every interview he would do, he would be so reasonable, so logical.

01:01:21.000 So fact-based and so knowledgeable.

01:01:23.000 And they still, they still, he was a kook. 1.00

01:01:26.000 He was a kook. 0.97

01:01:27.000 I remember some fucking guy yelled at me in Vegas.

01:01:32.000 He said something about me spreading disinformation.

01:01:35.000 Then he said something about that idiot Malone.

01:01:37.000 I'm like, oh, that guy.

01:01:39.000 The inventor of mRNA.

01:01:41.000 Or one of them.

01:01:43.000 I don't know.

01:01:44.000 I'm sure it's not like none of those things ever happen in a vacuum.

01:01:48.000 I'm sure there's a ton of people working on that.

01:01:49.000 But he was one of them.

01:01:51.000 He's a fucking brilliant guy.

01:01:53.000 So how did they find out that it can get into the nucleus?

01:01:58.000 Well, if you look at lipid nanoparticles, and that's sort of a – that's what – So they put it in the shell, the lipid nanoparticle.

01:02:14.000 And there are studies showing lipid nanoparticles can cross the nuclear membrane.

01:02:19.000 So there's that.

01:02:22.000 Kevin McKernan is a scientist.

01:02:24.000 He's on X a lot.

01:02:27.000 He's done a lot of work in that, showing DNA contamination that's getting into these shots, in addition to the SV40.

01:02:38.000 DNA contamination.

01:02:39.000 Right.

01:02:41.000 And this was what Joe Latipo, the Surgeon General of Florida, he has actually called for the COVID shots to be pulled off the market.

01:02:48.000 His main argument was there is a certain amount of DNA that is allowed in any kind of these products, and we have proof that they have exceeded that threshold.

01:03:00.000 So there have been studies showing that there's excess DNA in these samples, which shouldn't be there.

01:03:06.000 And that's just sort of this hard line that shouldn't be crossed.

01:03:09.000 Where is this DNA coming from?

01:03:11.000 in the production process, I guess.

01:03:14.000 But it's...

01:03:18.000 I think that's why Dr. Ladipo has chosen this argument to go by, because there's just like a hard line that you don't cross, and they have crossed that.

01:03:26.000 And what happens if you get too much DNA?

01:03:29.000 Well, you can integrate.

01:03:30.000 The concern is, does it integrate into your cell DNA and mess things up?

01:03:37.000 Monkey people?

01:03:38.000 I don't know.

01:03:39.000 No, cancer, but cancer, that's...

01:03:42.000 Can you imagine if we made, like, hybrid people? 0.63

01:03:44.000 They'd turn out to look like Neanderthals. 0.91

01:03:46.000 You know, like, we injected them with something that twisted their genes back.

01:03:50.000 But just the idea of manipulating your DNA is so terrifying.

01:03:53.000 It's like, what?

01:03:54.000 In pregnant women, right? 0.99

01:03:56.000 Right.

01:03:56.000 That's, you know, it'd be one thing if it's a 70-year-old man, but a pregnant woman...

01:04:02.000 Integrate DNA.

01:04:02.000 You don't think good things.

01:04:04.000 That's like, immediately, I'm like, what?

01:04:06.000 And these things are technically gene therapy products.

01:04:09.000 They're not vaccines.

01:04:10.000 Which is a real problem with using the same term.

01:04:13.000 Why not use a new term?

01:04:16.000 Well, because then you wouldn't be under the umbrella of protection that vaccines currently enjoy, where they can't be, which is so crazy.

01:04:25.000 It's so crazy.

01:04:26.000 It's just hard to believe it's true.

01:04:28.000 It really is.

01:04:30.000 It is.

01:04:30.000 And so for a person like you that just, like you were saying, see the carnage every day, tell me what it's been like.

01:04:35.000 Like, what is it like?

01:04:36.000 It's hard because as an ENT, I'm used to fixing people quickly.

01:04:41.000 So, you know, I get somebody with a sinus infection, get them an antibiotic, they're good to go.

01:04:46.000 I get somebody with an abscess, I drain the abscess, they're good to go.

01:04:51.000 It's sort of why I chose my specialty, because I like to see the results quickly.

01:04:55.000 I didn't go into primary care for a reason.

01:04:59.000 And so when I see the injured, it's very slow-going.

01:05:04.000 We don't have a lot of research.

01:05:06.000 It's trial and error.

01:05:08.000 These people were previously young and healthy, and their lives have just been completely destroyed.

01:05:16.000 I don't have a big support system of other specialists I can send them to.

01:05:20.000 It's hard.

01:05:21.000 I mean, I don't feel sorry for myself, but I'm just saying it's just very different from what I'm used to as a doctor.

01:05:28.000 So I really hope that the government will step up and do something about this.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, that would be a nice thing to hope to do something about it.

01:05:38.000 But it would be really nice if some real research was done on what are the actual long-term effects.

01:05:45.000 If everyone's looking at it from a position of we can't get sued for this, this is dangerous.

01:05:53.000 Someone has to look at it and say, well, these are the definite effects of this vaccine.

01:05:59.000 Because it's too much, this is long COVID, it's too much, oh, he got a neurological condition that was going to happen anyway.

01:06:06.000 It just coincidentally happened after he took the COVID shot.

01:06:09.000 There's got to be some way to determine what of these ailments, specifically when you're talking about the abnormal antibody levels.

01:06:18.000 Well, there are patterns.

01:06:20.000 I mean, I definitely see the same sort of things over and over again.

01:06:22.000 So it's not like, you know.

01:06:24.000 But as you said, it doesn't have a classification.

01:06:26.000 Right.

01:06:26.000 It doesn't have a code.

01:06:27.000 So we need an ICD-10 code for these.

01:06:29.000 That seems kind of crazy.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 Well.

01:06:31.000 Imagine if that was the case with like herpes.

01:06:33.000 Everybody would be like, hey, put a damn code in there so we know what this is.

01:06:38.000 Right.

01:06:39.000 But I see a very similar constellation of symptoms.

01:06:42.000 I see patients with these abnormal tremors, which they can't stop shaking even when they're sleeping.

01:06:49.000 They feel internal vibrations, or they'll have severe pain that you can't explain.

01:06:55.000 You get an MRI.

01:06:56.000 There's no nerve damage that you can tell.

01:06:59.000 I've seen some very strange rashes, and normally...

01:07:06.000 You throw a few meds at it and it will disappear.

01:07:09.000 But actually, the only thing that I've found helpful is ivermectin for these strange rashes.

01:07:14.000 And you see pots where the blood pressure, that's the hardest, I think.

01:07:18.000 And this is, we're seeing a lot of this, where the blood pressure just drops suddenly with no stimulation or the heart races with no provocation.

01:07:30.000 That is very common, very difficult to treat.

01:07:33.000 That's a good friend of mine.

01:07:34.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 He says every now and then his heart will just jack up to like 180.

01:07:38.000 Yep.

01:07:38.000 And he has to sit down.

01:07:40.000 And he just has to hope that this isn't the last time he breathes.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:43.000 He just sits there.

01:07:44.000 He has a heart monitor.

01:07:45.000 He puts one of them wristwatch ones, the Garmin one.

01:07:48.000 He just watches his heart jack up to like 180 beats per minute.

01:07:52.000 Just sitting there for no reason.

01:07:54.000 Not knowing if you're going to die.

01:07:56.000 Right.

01:07:56.000 Another friend of mine who was really young was a soccer player.

01:08:00.000 Super healthy guy.

01:08:01.000 Super fit.

01:08:01.000 Gets the vaccine.

01:08:02.000 All of a sudden, giant heart racing in the middle of the night.

01:08:06.000 Like, out of control.

01:08:07.000 Like, you know, like you're running a seven-minute mile.

01:08:10.000 Just jacked.

01:08:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:11.000 And he wound up in the hospital twice.

01:08:13.000 Nothing they could do.

01:08:14.000 It all went away.

01:08:15.000 It stopped.

01:08:16.000 It went back to normal after a while.

01:08:18.000 But now he's got this, like, terrible fear that he's got a fucking time bomb in his chest.

01:08:22.000 Yeah.

01:08:23.000 that out of nowhere, his heart would just ramp up.

01:08:25.000 And you could say, like, oh, that was...

01:08:28.000 He probably had it already.

01:08:31.000 But this guy was super fit.

01:08:33.000 Super fit soccer player.

01:08:35.000 And that's the athletes.

01:08:37.000 The sudden death in athletes.

01:08:38.000 So it used to be 29 per year.

01:08:40.000 Now it's 290 per year.

01:08:43.000 Growth 10 times.

01:08:45.000 Crazy.

01:08:45.000 Dropping dead.

01:08:46.000 The rarest of rare people to drop dead in the middle of nowhere.

01:08:51.000 The best athletes in the world.

01:08:53.000 The people that are the healthiest in the prime of their life.

01:08:55.000 Right.

01:08:55.000 And I worry about these kids because...

01:09:02.000 But if you've got a kid who's not even speaking yet, you have no idea if they have myocarditis.

01:09:08.000 And myocarditis can leave a permanent scar on the heart and then lead to a lifelong increased risk of sudden cardiac death.

01:09:17.000 And we have no idea if these kids have been affected.

01:09:22.000 Yeah, and how many kids did we see dropped out of heart attacks in, like, high school football this year?

01:09:27.000 Right.

01:09:27.000 Like over the last four years, rather.

01:09:30.000 It was like you'd see these articles pop up all the time.

01:09:32.000 You never saw those articles.

01:09:34.000 Or if you did, it was super rare and some kid with a heart condition that was never diagnosed, which does happen.

01:09:39.000 Yeah, and the schools are now making kids get cleared by a doctor before doing sports, which I don't remember that when we were kids.

01:09:46.000 Wow.

01:09:46.000 Yeah, they just threw us right onto the wrestling team.

01:09:48.000 They didn't check shit.

01:09:49.000 They didn't even see if you had a cold.

01:09:51.000 Right.

01:09:52.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 I mean, I don't know what's better.

01:09:54.000 It's probably better to screen them.

01:09:56.000 They'll find those undiagnosed conditions that kids can have.

01:10:00.000 Well, I just think it's in response to what's happened.

01:10:03.000 Oh, it certainly is.

01:10:04.000 But, I mean, that might be the good aspect of it.

01:10:06.000 Maybe some people will get diagnosed that didn't have any idea that they were running around with a problem, and they can fix it.

01:10:12.000 It's hard to diagnose.

01:10:13.000 Like really the only way you can diagnose myocarditis for sure is to do either a biopsy or a cardiac MRI, which is...

01:10:23.000 Right.

01:10:23.000 Jesus.

01:10:24.000 It's scary.

01:10:30.000 And yet us talking about it makes us both look like kooks.

01:10:34.000 Like we then will be labeled for sure.

01:10:37.000 Someone will go out and attack us now and label us anti-vax, anti-science kooks.

01:10:43.000 And this is what's dangerous about this conversation.

01:10:46.000 This is what's dangerous about what they said.

01:10:48.000 And, you know, those people work for the devil.

01:10:51.000 Well, do you think you'll get censored on YouTube this interview?

01:10:54.000 No.

01:10:54.000 You don't?

01:10:55.000 No.

01:10:55.000 Because I was just on Jimmy Dore.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:57.000 And they had to bleep out like a full sentence of mine.

01:11:01.000 I'm not bleeping out shit.

01:11:03.000 I'm not bleeping out shit.

01:11:04.000 Do you think it'll be okay?

01:11:05.000 We'll find out.

01:11:06.000 I think it's wrong if it's not okay.

01:11:08.000 If it's not okay, I think YouTube is more reasonable now than they were during the pandemic.

01:11:13.000 And I think they have a very difficult job managing content at scale where you're dealing with, you know.

01:11:22.000 The amount of people uploading things is insanity.

01:11:27.000 And they have certain things that they've tagged as being controversial because they were anti-science or misinformation that it's still, there's like lingering ones.

01:11:37.000 What was the issue that we had, Jamie?

01:11:38.000 We had like an old episode where there was something in the old episode that would have violated their rules back then.

01:11:45.000 It doesn't violate them now.

01:11:46.000 But because the episode was uploaded back then, what happened with that?

01:11:55.000 At the time, the penalty was like you had to do something, and so they couldn't take that step away.

01:12:01.000 That was kind of the issue.

01:12:02.000 But the bottom line was, everything this person said was true.

01:12:06.000 And proven to be true now.

01:12:08.000 And now it's 100% fact.

01:12:09.000 So now you can say whatever you want.

01:12:10.000 Now if you say, hey, it's super likely that that virus leaked from a lab in China.

01:12:15.000 And now you can say that.

01:12:16.000 Like, back then, you would get attacked.

01:12:19.000 It would be crazy.

01:12:20.000 You'd be called a racist.

01:12:22.000 You'd be called the worst things possible if you just said, like, the wonderful Jon Stewart bit that he did on Colbert's show.

01:12:29.000 Did you ever see that bit?

01:12:31.000 I can't remember.

01:12:32.000 You want to see it?

01:12:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:34.000 Let's watch it, because it's really hilarious.

01:12:36.000 This is, like, in the heart of the pandemic.

01:12:38.000 And Stephen Colbert was like, vaccine or death.

01:12:41.000 You know, he was all in on it.

01:12:44.000 Colbert was, like, trying to, like, halt him in the middle.

01:12:46.000 He's doing a bit.

01:12:47.000 Jon Stewart's doing a bit.

01:12:48.000 He's doing a funny bit.

01:12:50.000 And Colbert tries to, like, cockblock it. 0.91

01:12:53.000 He tries to, like, trip him.

01:12:54.000 But Jon Stewart powers through.

01:12:56.000 Like, the comic that he is.

01:12:58.000 You find it?

01:12:59.000 Don't tell me it was taken down.

01:13:02.000 All right.

01:13:06.000 Give us this one.

01:13:07.000 All right.

01:13:07.000 This is it.

01:13:11.000 And I honestly mean this.

01:13:12.000 I think science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic which was more than likely caused by science.

01:13:30.000 So and that's kind of Now, listen, listen.

01:13:45.000 It's coffee.

01:13:46.000 I wouldn't do that to you.

01:13:47.000 I wouldn't do that to you.

01:13:48.000 What do you mean by that?

01:13:50.000 Do you mean like there's a chance that this was created in a lab?

01:13:53.000 There's an investigation.

01:13:54.000 A chance?

01:13:57.000 If there's evidence, I'd love to hear it.

01:13:59.000 There's a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China.

01:14:04.000 What do we do?

01:14:06.000 Oh, you know who we could ask?

01:14:11.000 The disease is the same name as the lab.

01:14:16.000 That's just a little too weird, don't you think?

01:14:19.000 And then they ask those scientists, they're like, how did this...

01:14:22.000 You work at the Wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab. 0.85

01:14:26.000 How did this happen?

01:14:27.000 And they're like, a pangolin kissed a turtle.

01:14:31.000 And you're like, no.

01:14:32.000 The name of your lap, if you look at the name, Let me see your business card.

01:14:40.000 Show me your business card.

01:14:42.000 Oh, I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhan.

01:14:48.000 Oh, because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan.

01:14:51.000 How did that happen?

01:14:52.000 Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and...

01:15:05.000 Okay, okay.

01:15:06.000 Wait a second.

01:15:06.000 What about this?

01:15:07.000 What about this?

01:15:08.000 Listen to this.

01:15:09.000 Wait a second.

01:15:10.000 All right.

01:15:11.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:14.000 There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.

01:15:19.000 What do you think happened?

01:15:20.000 Like, oh, I don't know.

01:15:22.000 maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean. 0.99

01:15:26.000 Or it's the f***ing show Maybe that's it.

01:15:31.000 That could be.

01:15:34.000 That could be.

01:15:37.000 Colbert kept trying to get in the way.

01:15:40.000 That could be.

01:15:41.000 By the way, I gave them all tuberculosis.

01:15:44.000 That could very well be.

01:15:46.000 and Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins at NIH have said, like, it should definitely be investigated.

01:15:51.000 -Don't stop with the...

01:15:52.000 -Don't stop with the...

01:15:54.000 The name of the disease.

01:15:56.000 Wait a second.

01:15:57.000 Wait a second.

01:15:59.000 But it could be possible, you could be right, it could be possible that they have the lab in Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan there are a lot of novel coronavirus diseases because of the bat population there. 0.92

01:16:16.000 I understand.

01:16:17.000 It's a local specialty and it's the only place to find bats.

01:16:20.000 You won't find bats anywhere else.

01:16:23.000 Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of a cave every night.

01:16:29.000 Is there a coronavirus in Austin coronavirus?

01:16:33.000 No, it doesn't seem to be in Austin coronavirus.

01:16:34.000 The only coronavirus we have is in Wuhan, where they have a lab called Wuhan. 1.00

01:16:45.000 The Wuhan Novel Coronavirus Lab.

01:16:47.000 I believe that's the case.

01:16:48.000 And how long have you worked for Senator Ron Johnson?

01:16:51.000 Let me tell you something.

01:16:52.000 Let me tell you something about Ron Johnson.

01:16:55.000 This is not a conspiracy.

01:17:00.000 You could be right.

01:17:02.000 But this is the problem with science.

01:17:03.000 Science is incredible.

01:17:05.000 But they don't know when to stop.

01:17:06.000 And nobody in the room with those cats The other thing we talked about, the Spanish flu.

01:17:13.000 Which a lot of people never heard that before either.

01:17:15.000 They did what?

01:17:17.000 Isn't that great?

01:17:18.000 That's one of the best segments ever on late night television.

01:17:21.000 Ever.

01:17:21.000 In the history.

01:17:21.000 Emperor wears no clothes.

01:17:25.000 Colbert, thanks to Emperor, still has a fancy robe on.

01:17:29.000 Well, this is the job of comedians in society at certain times.

01:17:33.000 And Jon Stewart, he held the torch.

01:17:35.000 I didn't realize he was enlightened.

01:17:37.000 Well, he's a very smart guy.

01:17:39.000 He's not a bullshitter.

01:17:41.000 You know, he's a very smart guy.

01:17:43.000 I don't agree with him on everything.

01:17:45.000 Has he come around on the shot?

01:17:47.000 I don't know.

01:17:48.000 I haven't spoken to him.

01:17:49.000 He lives in another state.

01:17:52.000 But I love the guy.

01:17:53.000 He's great.

01:17:54.000 He was my favorite comedian when I was younger.

01:17:58.000 He's a great comic.

01:17:59.000 Very funny guy and a very nice guy and very fair and honest.

01:18:05.000 He's a you know like the type of person who could do that on television in the middle of the shit Which is what it was this was like right around the same time where the government was where they made that They said for the vaccinated, you've done your job, but for the unvaccinated, you're looking forward to a winter of illness and death.

01:18:28.000 Severe illness and death.

01:18:30.000 Severe.

01:18:31.000 It's crazy.

01:18:31.000 Severe illness and death.

01:18:32.000 And this was during Omicron, which statistically was a cold.

01:18:37.000 Right.

01:18:37.000 That was the one that had the least mortality.

01:18:41.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 So for him to do that during that time was very courageous.

01:18:46.000 Like, he had to know.

01:18:48.000 But he just had to make it really funny, which he did.

01:18:52.000 It's so preposterous because it's so on the nose.

01:18:54.000 You almost think like if that was in a movie, like that would be too good.

01:19:01.000 Like, there's no way it would be named the same as The Lab.

01:19:04.000 Did he get smeared for it?

01:19:06.000 I don't think he did.

01:19:07.000 No, John skirted out of that.

01:19:10.000 He had a show with Apple for a while, and it was really good.

01:19:13.000 But then I think...

01:19:18.000 I think there was an issue with an episode they did on China.

01:19:22.000 Is that the case?

01:19:23.000 Let's see if there's, like, data on that or if there's a story on that.

01:19:26.000 But they stopped doing that show.

01:19:28.000 So you had, like, an Apple show.

01:19:32.000 You know, because Apple TV produces a lot of shows now.

01:19:35.000 They have Severance.

01:19:36.000 You ever watch Severance?

01:19:37.000 No, I'm watching Righteous Gemstones now.

01:19:40.000 Oh my god, that's a good show.

01:19:41.000 Oh my god, that is such a funny show.

01:19:44.000 I didn't even hear about it until like this year.

01:19:47.000 There's almost too many great shows.

01:19:49.000 I know, it's hard to keep up.

01:19:50.000 That show is fantastic.

01:19:52.000 That show is so funny.

01:19:53.000 I think it's modeled after Joel Osteen.

01:19:56.000 Is it really?

01:19:56.000 That's my theory.

01:19:57.000 And I pass by his church every day, so...

01:20:03.000 Those guys that run the megachurches, like, you gotta be crazy.

01:20:08.000 Like, not one of them is like, oh, that guy makes sense.

01:20:11.000 That guy seems super reasonable, normal human being that's like, I like that guy.

01:20:17.000 I want him as my pastor.

01:20:19.000 No, it's always like some complete kook.

01:20:21.000 In October, the New York Times reported that Apple canceled the comedy show ahead of its third season due to creative differences and execs concerns over Stewart's coverage of topics such as China and AI.

01:20:34.000 Okay.

01:20:35.000 The China, I get it.

01:20:37.000 Apple has contracts with China, right?

01:20:39.000 They have cell phones made in China, and they actually have to We read a story about it the other day about how the iPhone 17 is so complex that it actually has to be manufactured in China because they have the best manufacturing.

01:20:55.000 So they must have some sort of a thing where you can't criticize.

01:20:59.000 You're going to fuck it all up for us.

01:21:00.000 You're going to fuck it all up for the production of our phones that we need to make all this money, which is why we have more money than most countries.

01:21:07.000 I don't see how Jon Stewart would be a threat to their revenue.

01:21:11.000 I just don't think they want him criticizing China.

01:21:15.000 But the AI one is even more weird.

01:21:17.000 The AI one is even more weird because it's like, don't you think we should make fun of AI?

01:21:23.000 Don't you think there should be like something that scares the shit out of people enough to they wake up and recognize?

01:21:32.000 There's no guardrails.

01:21:33.000 No one knows what's going to happen.

01:21:35.000 And everybody's like, full steam ahead.

01:21:39.000 AI terrifies me.

01:21:40.000 It should.

01:21:41.000 It does.

01:21:42.000 Well, it's because you're intelligent.

01:21:43.000 I think most intelligent people are aware that this will be a change that is akin to the asteroid that hit the Yucatan.

01:21:53.000 This is going to hit.

01:21:55.000 In some crazy way that, like, redefines what it means to be a human being.

01:22:00.000 It's around the corner.

01:22:02.000 Well, yeah.

01:22:02.000 And, you know, Texas, they love AI.

01:22:05.000 They're, like, put a huge amount of money into AI.

01:22:08.000 Oh, fun.

01:22:09.000 Oh, fun.

01:22:10.000 Yeah.

01:22:13.000 I know you love Texas.

01:22:14.000 I do love it here.

01:22:16.000 It is not what you think.

01:22:18.000 No, there's a lot of things.

01:22:19.000 I need to wake you up on Texas.

01:22:21.000 Well, I like the fact that it was free.

01:22:23.000 During the time where California was not.

01:22:26.000 You could do whatever you wanted to.

01:22:27.000 Relatively.

01:22:28.000 Relatively, right.

01:22:29.000 But in my business, and for what I do, like stand-up comedy, and letting people tell you what you can and can't do, I don't like that.

01:22:37.000 Right.

01:22:37.000 And here they've had a more rebellious spirit in that regard.

01:22:41.000 So I think healthcare, though, is turning Texas blue.

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:46.000 Houston is home to the largest medical center in the world, and it brings in people from all over.

01:22:52.000 And I think mandates started in Texas for a reason.

01:22:55.000 I think they did it here to test the waters.

01:22:58.000 They knew if they could get away with it in Texas, they could get away with it anywhere.

01:23:03.000 Don't make me move to Florida.

01:23:05.000 No, I don't even think...

01:23:06.000 Don't make me...

01:23:06.000 I think Idaho...

01:23:09.000 Idaho's cold as fuck.

01:23:10.000 Jamie can't live.

01:23:11.000 Look at him over there.

01:23:11.000 He can't survive.

01:23:13.000 He got out of Ohio and he developed thin blood.

01:23:18.000 But, yeah, Texas, I just, I think it's a, we have, so Texas Medical Association, largest medical association in the country.

01:23:27.000 They are really proponents of transgender surgery and minors.

01:23:34.000 They are anti-free speech for physicians.

01:23:37.000 They are pro-mandate.

01:23:40.000 They've gone after me.

01:23:42.000 And they have a tight control over the people in our house and state.

01:23:48.000 So I just think we need to be careful.

01:23:51.000 I mean, you saw it during the pandemic.

01:23:55.000 And the medical, the economy of our state is dominated by health.

01:24:02.000 And people don't realize that.

01:24:03.000 They just think oil.

01:24:04.000 But health is a huge dominating factor in our economy.

01:24:08.000 And, you know, you saw what they did to me, what they're still doing to me.

01:24:12.000 You see the mandates.

01:24:14.000 And I don't know if you've been following what's going on in the House, but our House is divided.

01:24:21.000 So we've got the freedom, the real true freedom-loving representatives.

01:24:27.000 And then we have these pseudo-Republicans who do control everything, but they are basically Democrats in disguise.

01:24:38.000 And I don't know, it really worries me.

01:24:41.000 Idaho just passed a bill, the best medical freedom bill in the country.

01:24:47.000 It eliminates all medical mandates, except for hospitals, of course.

01:24:52.000 But it's the first one of its kind, where medical mandates are finally outlawed.

01:24:58.000 Because, I mean, you think about it.

01:25:00.000 You know, all these vaccines that we have to give our kids to go to school is actually fundamentally wrong.

01:25:06.000 We should not mandate any child to get a shot to go to school.

01:25:10.000 And in Europe, half the countries don't have those kind of mandates.

01:25:14.000 But the United States is very common.

01:25:16.000 You know, all kids have to get these shots to go to school.

01:25:19.000 If you opt out, it's a big deal.

01:25:21.000 And some states don't even allow it, don't even allow exemptions.

01:25:25.000 So I think it's a wake-up call.

01:25:27.000 Like, I just, I never thought about the whole, the fact that I had to give my kids these shots to go to school as being an issue.

01:25:32.000 But now that COVID happened, I see it as a huge issue.

01:25:35.000 But Florida, you know, Florida's been kind of behind it, too.

01:25:39.000 Like, you know, they're not one of the states trying to get ivermectin over the counter.

01:25:44.000 There were nine states that tried to pass bills banning mRNA.

01:25:48.000 They all failed.

01:25:49.000 But Florida wasn't one of those.

01:25:52.000 So Florida worries me too.

01:25:54.000 Idaho.

01:25:57.000 They have good skiing there.

01:25:59.000 It's beautiful.

01:26:00.000 I don't ski.

01:26:01.000 I quit skiing a few years back.

01:26:04.000 My last accident.

01:26:05.000 I'm like, I'm done.

01:26:06.000 Skiing. 0.98

01:26:07.000 I love skiing.

01:26:08.000 Oh, it's fun.

01:26:08.000 Don't get hurt.

01:26:10.000 Didn't get hurt.

01:26:11.000 Don't get hurt.

01:26:12.000 That's how I feel every time I ski.

01:26:13.000 But I've had a bunch of surgeries.

01:26:14.000 That's a problem.

01:26:15.000 I know the vulnerability of knees.

01:26:18.000 I've had three knee surgeries.

01:26:21.000 It's rough on you.

01:26:23.000 But it is fun.

01:26:26.000 It's just for me, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

01:26:28.000 There's a bunch of other stuff that's a lot more fun that doesn't come with it.

01:26:31.000 Risk of broken bones and concussions.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 I don't know.

01:26:35.000 I like roller coasters for fun.

01:26:36.000 Other than that, I can't.

01:26:38.000 You're one of those.

01:26:39.000 I'm not.

01:26:40.000 No, I'm not full on.

01:26:41.000 But I don't know.

01:26:43.000 The new roller coasters.

01:26:44.000 Have you been on them recently?

01:26:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:46.000 I have kids.

01:26:47.000 They're much better.

01:26:48.000 It's not the ones we grew up with.

01:26:50.000 Disneyland has some insane ones.

01:26:53.000 The Incredibles ride, if you've ever done that one.

01:26:56.000 I like Guardians of the Galaxy.

01:26:58.000 Oh, that's great.

01:26:59.000 That one's fun.

01:26:59.000 That one's really fun.

01:27:01.000 You know what's the best ride?

01:27:02.000 It's in Disney World.

01:27:04.000 It's an Avatar 3 virtual reality ride.

01:27:09.000 It's incredible.

01:27:10.000 Is that Florida or California?

01:27:12.000 Florida.

01:27:13.000 I think I did that.

01:27:14.000 I think it's called Flights of Fantasy or something like that.

01:27:17.000 It's incredible.

01:27:18.000 You are one of the Avatar people and you fly around on a dragon.

01:27:22.000 And it's so good.

01:27:23.000 It's so good.

01:27:25.000 You feel the breeze.

01:27:26.000 You feel mist in the air.

01:27:27.000 At a certain point, I'm realizing while I'm doing this, I'm like, What is it going to look like 20 years from now?

01:27:37.000 I'm not going to have any idea.

01:27:39.000 They're going to put a helmet on me.

01:27:40.000 It's going to sync up with my brain.

01:27:42.000 Ready?

01:27:43.000 Brain sync.

01:27:44.000 And all of a sudden, you're going to be in that world.

01:27:46.000 You're like, whoa.

01:27:47.000 And you were going to trust those people to let us out.

01:27:50.000 That's 100% coming.

01:27:53.000 Yeah, I'm happy with the roller coaster.

01:27:55.000 I'll stick with that.

01:27:56.000 It's not worth it.

01:27:57.000 It's not as good.

01:27:58.000 You take the brain thing.

01:28:00.000 Get in the Avatar world.

01:28:02.000 I get sick on those rides.

01:28:04.000 The ones where the 3D, I get kind of nauseated.

01:28:07.000 This one moves too.

01:28:07.000 This one you're on like a motorcycle, like a fake motorcycle.

01:28:10.000 And that's to represent the dragon.

01:28:12.000 And you have like a handle you hold on to and it starts moving you around.

01:28:16.000 So as you're flying, it's a full sensory experience.

01:28:20.000 I think I did that and my kids made fun of me because I was screaming on it.

01:28:24.000 You did that one at Disney World?

01:28:25.000 Yeah, a couple of years ago.

01:28:26.000 I haven't done it since.

01:28:27.000 It's so good.

01:28:28.000 Such a good ride.

01:28:29.000 And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

01:28:31.000 And when you connect that to AI so it tailors something that's specific for your whatever crazy fantasy you want to do.

01:28:39.000 We already have video games where people can murder people.

01:28:41.000 Like, that's like the most popular video game is Grand Theft Auto.

01:28:44.000 And one of the things that people love about it is you could beat some mechanic to death for no reason.

01:28:49.000 Do you think that allows people to get out their frustrations, though, in a healthier way?

01:28:55.000 Perhaps.

01:28:56.000 I would recommend martial arts.

01:28:58.000 I think that would be a healthier way.

01:28:59.000 But I think more than anything, what it does is allows you to disassociate and just to be able to, because it doesn't mean anything.

01:29:06.000 It's not really a person that's getting beat to death.

01:29:08.000 But the imagery is obviously of a person that's getting beat to death.

01:29:10.000 And you're able to do it with no consequences, no recourse, no bad karma.

01:29:14.000 You don't even feel bad because it's a part of the game.

01:29:17.000 What was that one where you could drag, the Wild West one, where you could beat people with whips?

01:29:25.000 Red Dawn Redemption.

01:29:26.000 Red Dead Redemption.

01:29:28.000 Crazy games where you can do horrible things to people.

01:29:32.000 What is it going to be like when you have video games that are actually virtual reality, completely immersive, and you could just be a serial killer?

01:29:38.000 You could be Jack the Ripper.

01:29:39.000 They give you a knife, and now you're in London in the 1800s, and you're Jack the Ripper.

01:29:45.000 Why do people create these?

01:29:47.000 Because they can.

01:29:48.000 Right?

01:29:49.000 It's like what Jon Stewart said about the nuclear bomb.

01:29:51.000 Like, why did they do that?

01:29:52.000 Well, and this is the same thing.

01:29:54.000 This is the parallel to the Manhattan Project, because we're not the only ones that are trying to find, get to the solution of what is, like, the ultimate expression of AI in its current form.

01:30:05.000 Like, super intelligent, sentient, artificial intelligence.

01:30:09.000 Like, something that's going to be godlike power and ability.

01:30:14.000 China's working on it, too.

01:30:15.000 We have to work on it.

01:30:16.000 If we don't work, like, everyone's like, hang on!

01:30:18.000 And we're like, nope, choo-choo!

01:30:20.000 Just China's working on it.

01:30:21.000 We have to do it.

01:30:22.000 We have to get there first.

01:30:23.000 So this is just like the Manhattan Project.

01:30:25.000 And I don't think it's going to matter.

01:30:27.000 I think once we get there, it's going to be so weird for everybody.

01:30:32.000 I think civilization's going to be in upheaval.

01:30:34.000 And I think we're entirely attached to the idea that this civilization that we live under, where our money is all in hard drives and it's all ones and zeros on a database somewhere, not even backed up by gold anymore.

01:30:48.000 It's all super weird already.

01:30:49.000 Like, this is standard forever.

01:30:51.000 I don't think it is.

01:30:53.000 I don't know.

01:30:54.000 I feel like there may be a backlash.

01:30:56.000 Because, you know, there's this wanting to do real things and do, you know, real experiences.

01:31:03.000 Yeah, there'll be a few hikers.

01:31:05.000 There'll be a few hikers.

01:31:07.000 I mean, when you're on your computer all day, the first thing I want to do is just get outside and get away from all that.

01:31:13.000 And so my hope is that there'll be a backlash.

01:31:16.000 Well, there'll be a few, right?

01:31:18.000 It's just like there's people that are still pro-vaccine today.

01:31:21.000 Right?

01:31:21.000 They're still pro-mRNA vaccine.

01:31:23.000 I can't wait for the new booster.

01:31:25.000 There's people that are out there like that, right?

01:31:26.000 You're always going to have different kinds of people.

01:31:28.000 You're never going to have one thing where everybody adopts it.

01:31:30.000 There's going to be a bunch of people that want to live a subsistence lifestyle in the woods forever.

01:31:34.000 Let all those morons in New York put their helmets on and live in fucking Avatar land.

01:31:39.000 I'm going to live out here in the real world.

01:31:42.000 If you think about how many people play games today versus how many people played games 30 years ago, it's off the charts, right?

01:31:48.000 Like, what are the numbers?

01:31:50.000 Like, when I was a child, it was when they had Pong.

01:31:52.000 That was the first one.

01:31:53.000 Do you remember those?

01:31:54.000 Yeah, it was in a Sears store.

01:31:56.000 Do you remember that?

01:31:56.000 You'd go shopping for jeans and you would play the game.

01:32:00.000 That's where you buy your tools.

01:32:02.000 Tough skins.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, and that was revolutionary.

01:32:06.000 You could play a game on television, and it was a really simple game.

01:32:11.000 We'll be playing ping-pong with this slow-moving ping-pong ball.

01:32:14.000 And it was fun.

01:32:14.000 We all loved it.

01:32:15.000 Family would gather around, play ping-pong.

01:32:17.000 And then you fast forward to Call of Duty.

01:32:21.000 Like, that's insane.

01:32:23.000 Like, that is insane.

01:32:26.000 They're talking.

01:32:26.000 They're running through Fallujah, gunning people down.

01:32:30.000 Like, this is crazy.

01:32:32.000 So the number You did a good job.

01:32:39.000 I didn't do anything.

01:32:40.000 It just happened.

01:32:42.000 I think a lot of kids are disinterested because they realize that the beck and call of life and becoming a success is you cannot get too wrapped up in these things because they will steal your time.

01:32:52.000 But my point is that the amount of people that are allowing it to steal their time today, and I know you're enjoying it.

01:32:59.000 Steal your time.

01:32:59.000 Have fun.

01:33:00.000 Play your games.

01:33:01.000 I love them.

01:33:02.000 They're fun.

01:33:02.000 But I can't do them.

01:33:03.000 There's too much.

01:33:04.000 See, they're too exciting.

01:33:06.000 They're too good.

01:33:07.000 But these are just the beginning.

01:33:09.000 What we're experiencing now with Call of Duty and first-person shooters that everybody loves, in comparison to what's going to happen when they put that thing on your head, and then all of a sudden you really are on Battleship Troopers.

01:33:20.000 What was that movie where they fought the aliens?

01:33:24.000 Starship Troopers.

01:33:25.000 Did you ever see that one?

01:33:26.000 No.

01:33:27.000 Great movie.

01:33:27.000 But it's the future, or they're fighting off aliens, giant alien bugs.

01:33:31.000 You could be in that.

01:33:32.000 You could be in it.

01:33:33.000 Feel the sand on your feet.

01:33:35.000 Feel the wind in your face.

01:33:36.000 Smell the breath of the beast as you shoot it down.

01:33:40.000 It's going to be too compelling.

01:33:42.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 Either that or go work at the supermarket.

01:33:45.000 You're in the supermarket all day.

01:33:47.000 You want to play pickup basketball?

01:33:48.000 Okay, you suck at basketball.

01:33:50.000 Keep hitting bricks.

01:33:51.000 I think the answer is roller coasters.

01:33:53.000 No!

01:33:54.000 No, no, no.

01:33:55.000 I don't know.

01:33:56.000 I just think it's a test of civilization.

01:34:02.000 Something that is changing our species and changing it really quickly before we even realize it.

01:34:09.000 Just like we changed wolves into dogs, it's turning us into technology-dependent, gelatinous water balloons of blood.

01:34:21.000 That's dark.

01:34:22.000 It is dark.

01:34:23.000 I think they'll take over doctors. 0.99

01:34:25.000 Yeah, they're going to.

01:34:26.000 They're going to take over lawyers, doctors. 0.99

01:34:28.000 They're probably going to take over a lot of actors. 1.00

01:34:31.000 I think actors and even screenwriters are in real trouble.

01:34:34.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:34:35.000 How do you take over an actor?

01:34:36.000 Because these AI videos now are insane.

01:34:39.000 They're so good.

01:34:40.000 Wow.

01:34:41.000 Have you ever seen the one where there's stand-up comedians talking on stage about how And there's people out there that believe that we're a prompt, and then they're going to And there's Vikings, like incredible Viking village where you're like walking down the village.

01:35:01.000 It's all AI.

01:35:02.000 And it looks like Hollywood movie quality.

01:35:06.000 It looks like some crazy new blockbuster that's out about Vikings.

01:35:10.000 They have Cro-Magnum Man.

01:35:12.000 Walking, you know, like hunting on a raft, moving through the frozen lake.

01:35:18.000 The whole thing is nuts.

01:35:19.000 It's so good.

01:35:21.000 And it keeps getting better.

01:35:23.000 Like, this is insanely good compared to what just existed a couple months ago.

01:35:27.000 Like, a year ago.

01:35:30.000 It's unrecognizable.

01:35:33.000 Computers move so slow in comparison.

01:35:36.000 Like, think about when did you first get your first computer?

01:35:41.000 Hmm, probably medical school.

01:35:43.000 What year was that?

01:35:43.000 So that was like 1998.

01:35:46.000 Okay, so you're probably running Windows 98, right?

01:35:49.000 It kind of worked, but it was a little buggy.

01:35:51.000 Sometimes it would crash.

01:35:52.000 You'd get the blue screen to death.

01:35:55.000 Then within like five years, they got way better.

01:35:58.000 Ten years, they got way better.

01:36:00.000 But now, if you have a laptop now in 2025 versus a laptop from 2020, no difference.

01:36:07.000 No, I have an old MacBook that I use sometimes.

01:36:09.000 Because I like it because it's clickier keyboards.

01:36:11.000 And it's fucking old as shit.

01:36:13.000 It's really old.

01:36:14.000 Like, it seems like a regular laptop.

01:36:17.000 It's not that much different.

01:36:18.000 The AI from then was nothing.

01:36:20.000 It didn't exist.

01:36:22.000 And now it's making movies that are off the charts.

01:36:26.000 Unbelievably realistic.

01:36:29.000 And this is just one version of it.

01:36:31.000 They're going to have a way better version of it a month from now.

01:36:33.000 A way better version of it six months from now.

01:36:36.000 And where does that end?

01:36:38.000 Like, it doesn't.

01:36:39.000 It doesn't end.

01:36:40.000 And who knows what the news is now?

01:36:43.000 You know how many times someone sent me something on Twitter, and I thought, wow, that's crazy, war footage.

01:36:48.000 And it turns out it was just from a video game?

01:36:50.000 Wow.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, the people get duped.

01:36:52.000 They see a plane getting shot down.

01:36:54.000 They think it's real.

01:36:55.000 Like, wow.

01:36:55.000 No, it's just a scene in a video game.

01:36:58.000 Yeah, I haven't seen these videos.

01:37:00.000 I've seen photos that look very realistic, but I haven't seen these videos.

01:37:04.000 I'll have to go check that out.

01:37:05.000 They're too good.

01:37:06.000 They're too good.

01:37:08.000 And this race to AI is, you know, we're all involved in it.

01:37:15.000 And I worry that it's not in our best interest, just like I worry that our health system is compromised.

01:37:22.000 I worry about it all.

01:37:25.000 There's a lot of people that are going to be insanely wealthy once this goes live.

01:37:29.000 Like, once this goes live, the haves versus the have-nots will be so far separated.

01:37:35.000 But how do you make money off of AI?

01:37:37.000 You control everything.

01:37:39.000 First of all, the stock market.

01:37:41.000 You figure out the stock market immediately and bet insane amounts of wealth at things and compound it and figure out when to buy and when to sell instantaneously.

01:37:52.000 You could even use AI to manipulate markets by having a bunch of bots tweet about something.

01:37:59.000 So then you would jack up a stock price and then you would go in and clean up.

01:38:03.000 You would create crypto coins.

01:38:06.000 Unlimited amounts of crypto coins.

01:38:08.000 Dump tons of money in it.

01:38:10.000 Hire celebrities.

01:38:11.000 They wouldn't even know.

01:38:12.000 Hire them to promote the crypto coin.

01:38:14.000 Pull the wool out from everybody.

01:38:16.000 Make billions of dollars.

01:38:17.000 And you just do that over and over and over and over again instantaneously all around the world.

01:38:22.000 Then you have all the money.

01:38:24.000 Like AI, if you're in control of AI, and AI is artificial superintelligence, and you tell it, make me as much money as you can, as quickly as possible in the stock market.

01:38:39.000 This is what we have.

01:38:40.000 We have $100 million to invest.

01:38:42.000 We have a billion dollars to invest.

01:38:43.000 If you're already wealthy, if you're a huge company already.

01:38:46.000 You could do something like that and who knows what kind of an effect that would have.

01:38:49.000 You could manipulate world governments instantaneously.

01:38:53.000 You could cut off pipelines.

01:38:54.000 You could sabotage power grids.

01:38:57.000 You could shut down energy plants.

01:38:59.000 You could do all kinds of things.

01:39:01.000 You can insert viruses into systems that control every aspect of society instantaneously.

01:39:09.000 You crack.

01:39:11.000 Especially once they figure out how to attach AI to quantum computing.

01:39:15.000 Then we're doomed.

01:39:16.000 Then we're really doomed.

01:39:17.000 Because then you don't have any computational problems.

01:39:19.000 You have insane amounts of computational power.

01:39:23.000 And it's all in our lifetime.

01:39:25.000 Like, that's what's nuts.

01:39:26.000 It's like, this will be, if people survive and, you know, there's like a golden age.

01:39:34.000 Thousands of years from now where they find the relics of this civilization and they go look through and they figure out how to open up hard drives.

01:39:41.000 And they see us having this conversation about it.

01:39:45.000 Yeah.

01:39:45.000 It's going to be weird.

01:39:47.000 It's going to be like, oh, they saw it coming and they did it anyway.

01:39:50.000 Well, how do we stop it?

01:39:53.000 I think Elon Musk was sounding the alarm and he can't stop it.

01:39:58.000 Not only did he not stop it, he joined in.

01:40:00.000 I think that's the idea is that you have to do it because other people are doing it.

01:40:05.000 If they get a hold of it first, it'd be catastrophic.

01:40:07.000 And I'm sure I screwed up a lot of possibilities in that little stupid rant of mine.

01:40:12.000 But it's something I think people need to have in their head because this isn't something that's not going to affect you.

01:40:19.000 Oh, that's not going to affect me.

01:40:20.000 I don't really have to pay attention to the politics in Poland.

01:40:23.000 It's not going to affect me.

01:40:24.000 You know, you can do that.

01:40:26.000 With this one, you can't do it with because it's going to affect all of us.

01:40:30.000 In the world, you're not going to know what the news is.

01:40:33.000 You think Rolling Stone fooled us with that stupid picture from Oklahoma with a bunch of people that are gunshot victims waiting in line?

01:40:40.000 They should have used AI for their picture.

01:40:43.000 Yeah, right?

01:40:44.000 That's a good point because that was only a couple of years ago.

01:40:47.000 Today they probably would.

01:40:47.000 But this is, you know, that's a clear lie.

01:40:51.000 And it's a bad one.

01:40:53.000 What about the really good ones, the really well-coordinated ones that are using artificial-created images?

01:41:00.000 Like, how are we going to know?

01:41:02.000 How are we going to know?

01:41:03.000 Like, when I Google something, I'm not going to go do clinical research.

01:41:08.000 I'm not I'm not gonna test these things to make sure it's correct myself if you're in control of all the information on the internet and You could do that easily, especially if people don't have access to the ability to actually make their own tests.

01:41:24.000 You could change everything.

01:41:26.000 If you have AI, you're hacking into this and all the encryptions, bye-bye.

01:41:31.000 Everything's bye-bye.

01:41:33.000 All these little roadblocks that we kept up there to keep our feeble primate brains from cracking these codes, like, all that stuff goes away.

01:41:44.000 It's going to get real weird.

01:41:45.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 I don't have an answer.

01:41:50.000 I don't either.

01:41:51.000 We have to go get a bunker after this podcast.

01:41:53.000 I know.

01:41:54.000 I don't think it's going to be that bad, but I do think it's going to be really...

01:42:03.000 I mean, there's probably going to be a lot of good aspects of it, too.

01:42:05.000 I think the medical aspect of it is pretty amazing.

01:42:07.000 Chat GPT alone, when you can put in your blood work and can give you some...

01:42:20.000 Totally missed it.

01:42:21.000 I mean, it was Grok.

01:42:22.000 It was not ChatGPT.

01:42:25.000 Which one's the best at that?

01:42:27.000 I don't know.

01:42:28.000 I don't like ChatGPT.

01:42:30.000 There's some other really good ones, too, right?

01:42:33.000 All I use is Grok. 0.89

01:42:34.000 That's it?

01:42:36.000 You're a hardcore red winger.

01:42:40.000 I don't trust Grok, but I certainly don't trust chat and GBT.

01:42:45.000 Well, I was listening to someone talk about a new program that is, you know, they have Pegasus, so Pegasus can read your phone.

01:42:52.000 This new program is a zero-click.

01:42:55.000 It reads everything in your phone, including your encrypted messages.

01:42:59.000 You have no idea if you have it on there or not.

01:43:02.000 There's no way to detect it, and it's been being used.

01:43:08.000 It's used currently.

01:43:10.000 What's the name of it?

01:43:13.000 I don't know, Jamie.

01:43:14.000 See if you could find out the name of it.

01:43:16.000 The old one was Pegasus.

01:43:17.000 The new one is a similar preposterous name.

01:43:22.000 Is it Palantir?

01:43:24.000 I don't know.

01:43:25.000 That's a different thing.

01:43:26.000 I think Ian Carroll was talking about it.

01:43:31.000 Okay, so you don't have any privacy anymore.

01:43:33.000 So then your text messages don't have any privacy anymore.

01:43:35.000 I just assume I don't have any privacy anymore.

01:43:37.000 If it wasn't for Elon Musk.

01:43:39.000 Buying Twitter.

01:43:40.000 Can you imagine how weird the world would be right now?

01:43:42.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 I mean, it's so fortunate.

01:43:44.000 I was kicked off for five months.

01:43:46.000 What did you do that got you kicked off?

01:43:49.000 Really, I was kind of timid back then compared to what I say now.

01:43:53.000 I really wasn't that.

01:43:54.000 But I had a tweet that went viral, and it was America First Legal was suing the CDC over...

01:44:07.000 I can't remember exactly, but it was something like, American First Legal has just exposed the CDC and it went viral.

01:44:14.000 And then that was my last tweet.

01:44:16.000 I was erased for five months.

01:44:18.000 What excuse did they give you?

01:44:20.000 I don't remember.

01:44:21.000 You know, violating community standards.

01:44:24.000 Wow.

01:44:25.000 What did that feel like?

01:44:31.000 And then I tried to get on Truth and Getter.

01:44:34.000 It's just not the same, right?

01:44:35.000 You just don't get that feedback.

01:44:37.000 You know what I think about those things, too?

01:44:39.000 And Gab as well.

01:44:40.000 I think they're all infested with out-of-state actors, other countries, other countries, intelligence agencies, and even our own countries, and then even corporations.

01:44:51.000 I think they're infected.

01:44:53.000 I think even Democratic and Republican operatives, I think a lot of the traffic is bots.

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 Well, I see that on Twitter, definitely.

01:45:01.000 100%.

01:45:01.000 It's almost not worth engaging anymore.

01:45:03.000 It's like, what are we doing here?

01:45:05.000 Like, you're arguing with someone who's not even a real person.

01:45:07.000 And I think that's, like, that's a big part of it.

01:45:09.000 And I think in those other alternative platforms, like Truth, I think they do that to make them ridiculous for everybody else.

01:45:17.000 You know, so the last thing they want is a bunch of people competing to see who's the freest.

01:45:23.000 Right.

01:45:24.000 right?

01:45:25.000 So what's the best way to do The moment it comes out, swastikas, Peppy the Frog, the worst possible things.

01:45:37.000 Post as much as you can so that this place becomes toxic.

01:45:42.000 So that you have to have a zero-tolerance policy like Blue Sky does.

01:45:46.000 You go to Blue Sky, if you tweet, there are only two genders. 1.00

01:45:48.000 Banned!

01:45:49.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:45:50.000 I was on Blue Sky for a bit.

01:45:51.000 How long?

01:45:52.000 How long did you last?

01:45:53.000 I don't know.

01:45:54.000 I slid in before it was open to the public.

01:45:57.000 And I started stirring the pot.

01:46:00.000 And then I just got and I got bored.

01:46:01.000 I got in some fights with, um, She's a lawyer.

01:46:07.000 She's a big vaccine enthusiast.

01:46:09.000 Vaccine enthusiast is hilarious.

01:46:11.000 She really loves hockey.

01:46:13.000 She's like the female version of Hotez. 1.00

01:46:17.000 Anyway, I just got one.

01:46:18.000 Lena Nguyen?

01:46:19.000 No.

01:46:22.000 I can't remember.

01:46:23.000 I know what she looks like, but I don't want to say it.

01:46:25.000 No worries.

01:46:26.000 You don't have to say it.

01:46:27.000 So, what was that like?

01:46:29.000 Blue Sky?

01:46:30.000 Yeah, when you got into it with her.

01:46:32.000 I mean, whatever.

01:46:33.000 Yeah, I've gotten in so many fights on X. It's not really...

01:46:37.000 It's a...

01:46:39.000 It's a...

01:46:43.000 Before Methodist went after me, I got in some fights on Facebook with these private groups, and there are a bunch of women that get together, the neighborhood women's group.

01:46:52.000 Oh, boy.

01:46:53.000 Vicious.

01:46:54.000 Oh, boy.

01:46:54.000 Just barely vicious.

01:46:55.000 And it was the Houston Women's Physicians Group.

01:46:59.000 And they called me Bertha.

01:47:02.000 Bertha?

01:47:03.000 Why Bertha?

01:47:04.000 Because I got mad at them.

01:47:05.000 I don't know.

01:47:06.000 Why did they call you Bertha?

01:47:07.000 I don't know.

01:47:07.000 They were like, we don't want you in our group.

01:47:10.000 You should go find another group.

01:47:12.000 And you're spreading misinformation.

01:47:14.000 Whoa.

01:47:16.000 Whoa.

01:47:16.000 Things like that.

01:47:16.000 And there was a neighborhood group that went after me.

01:47:21.000 Those are more, I don't really care about the anonymous.

01:47:24.000 X people. 0.80

01:47:25.000 Right.

01:47:26.000 But then I had a couple.

01:47:27.000 I had Mama Dr. Jones, who has a million followers on TikTok, come after me and make videos about me.

01:47:37.000 Saying you spread misinformation.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:40.000 And that I'm a grifter and all that.

01:47:42.000 Oh, they always throw that one away.

01:47:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:47:45.000 There's this pharmacist, Savannah.

01:47:48.000 She goes by R Exorcist, and she has an OnlyFans account on the side.

01:47:54.000 She's come after me just vicious. 0.99

01:47:57.000 Some of these women are just really toxic. 1.00

01:48:01.000 Yeah, when they have the right to be.

01:48:04.000 That's the thing.

01:48:04.000 It's like when they feel like they've got the green light to just be as evil as possible and to turn you into some subhuman.

01:48:12.000 Especially if they don't like it because you're a doctor.

01:48:14.000 I just think she's so smart.

01:48:16.000 Spreading that misinformation in our neighborhood.

01:48:19.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 So, overall, Coming out of it on the other side, though, do you feel a sense of vindication at least?

01:48:27.000 Because the public has embraced you and you've got a lot of followers on Twitter that support you.

01:48:34.000 After, I'm sure, the Danny Jones podcast, I'm sure that a lot of people were listening to your story.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, I mean, it's yes and no.

01:48:44.000 I mean, I still have a medical board that I'm dealing with.

01:48:47.000 Methodist Hospital just sued me.

01:48:49.000 So there's still a lot of drama, unfortunately.

01:48:53.000 But I have hope.

01:48:55.000 There's actually a lawsuit today that's first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols where they had a young woman with Down syndrome.

01:49:06.000 They basically euthanized her.

01:49:09.000 They gave her a DNR order, even though she didn't have one.

01:49:12.000 And the father has just been wonderful.

01:49:14.000 It's a Shara family.

01:49:17.000 Why did they do that?

01:49:19.000 They euthanized her for what?

01:49:21.000 I've seen this.

01:49:22.000 I have reviewed records from these hospital patients, and they'll euthanize them. 0.80

01:49:27.000 They need the bed.

01:49:28.000 They say, well, they're going to die anyway.

01:49:30.000 What was this person in the hospital for?

01:49:33.000 COVID.

01:49:34.000 COVID protocol.

01:49:36.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:49:38.000 So they were in the hospital with COVID, and they gave them something to kill them?

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 That happened all...

01:49:44.000 I'm sorry, but...

01:49:47.000 They give him morphine and insulin.

01:49:49.000 What?

01:49:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:52.000 That's common?

01:49:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:55.000 I've reviewed charts.

01:49:57.000 In this situation, they gave her a DNR, which is do not resuscitate, meaning if they look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that was not the case.

01:50:06.000 So they're suing for battery, which is one way of getting around the PREP Act, because the PREP Act is very...

01:50:16.000 The PrEP Act protects everybody, all the doctors, all the hospitals, from any wrongdoing during COVID.

01:50:22.000 So it's been this big challenge trying to get around the PrEP Act.

01:50:26.000 And this case has hope of getting around the PrEP Act because they're charging for battery.

01:50:30.000 And they're in trial.

01:50:32.000 It started today.

01:50:33.000 It's in Wisconsin.

01:50:35.000 So that gives me hope.

01:50:37.000 I don't know if you've heard of Brooke Jackson, her case.

01:50:41.000 She sued Pfizer.

01:50:42.000 She was a whistleblower. 0.99

01:50:43.000 So she was one of the heads of the research clinics.

01:50:46.000 And she was in charge of overseeing the protocols.

01:50:49.000 And she found that they were skipping necessary steps.

01:50:53.000 They weren't following up with injuries.

01:50:55.000 She basically became a whistleblower. 0.98

01:50:57.000 And then they immediately fired her. 0.91

01:50:59.000 And now she's suing Pfizer. 1.00

01:51:02.000 But this has been going on, you know, since 2020.

01:51:05.000 And the DOJ, unfortunately, has stepped in and tried to shut down the case, which normally the DOJ comes in and helps people when they're trying to, you know, sort out a, this is a Keytam case.

01:51:19.000 And, I mean, it could bankrupt Pfizer, but now our own government, and even this is under Pam Bondi, so this is the new DOJ is coming in to stop this case from happening, which is bothersome.

01:51:31.000 What is their argument for why they're trying to stop?

01:51:35.000 Because it would impact public health policies.

01:51:38.000 It would go against our country's public health policies by proceeding with this case and letting it go to trial.

01:51:45.000 How so?

01:51:47.000 I don't know.

01:51:48.000 That is basically what they said.

01:51:50.000 Have you tried to steal, ma 'am, what they're saying?

01:51:52.000 I mean, it's not my case, and the lawyer would probably have a better explanation.

01:52:00.000 It's just met with so many roadblocks.

01:52:03.000 The euthanizing one is still stuck in my head.

01:52:05.000 I can't imagine that that's real.

01:52:07.000 No, no, no.

01:52:08.000 It is definitely real.

01:52:09.000 So it's when they've determined that someone's going to die anyway?

01:52:12.000 Is that what it is?

01:52:13.000 Right.

01:52:14.000 I mean, they'll justify giving morphine because they'll say, oh, well, they're struggling to breathe.

01:52:19.000 Well, guess what?

01:52:20.000 Morphine actually depresses your drive to breathe.

01:52:24.000 But like this one case I remember.

01:52:27.000 He was sick.

01:52:28.000 He looked like he was dying, but they just pushed morphine.

01:52:31.000 No pain.

01:52:32.000 They do a pain score, so 0 to 10. This guy had zero pain.

01:52:37.000 And then they pushed insulin to drop his sugar, and his glucose was fine.

01:52:42.000 And then he died three minutes later.

01:52:44.000 And I turned him into the medical board.

01:52:46.000 I reviewed this chart and turned him into the medical board.

01:52:48.000 Nothing.

01:52:48.000 They didn't do anything.

01:52:50.000 But yeah, that definitely went on during COVID.

01:52:53.000 Jesus.

01:52:55.000 That is such a terrifying thought, that someone would just decide, so many people are dying, this guy's definitely going to die.

01:53:04.000 This is 100% real?

01:53:05.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:53:07.000 It seems like something someone would tell me.

01:53:10.000 They don't call it euthanasia.

01:53:12.000 It seems like something that someone would tell me, and then I would have to ask you.

01:53:16.000 Like, this is something someone told me.

01:53:17.000 I will send you the record that I reviewed.

01:53:20.000 I know, but it seems like something I would be bringing up to you as a ridiculous thing, and you would shoot it down.

01:53:24.000 Right.

01:53:25.000 No, I wish I were.

01:53:27.000 It's not truthful, but yes, it definitely, definitely helped happen.

01:53:30.000 Would you have ever imagined this before you became a doctor?

01:53:34.000 No, I mean, I did.

01:53:35.000 So one of my former attendings in ENT, when Katrina hit, her name is Anna Poe, she got So they were, you know, all the powers out, big hurricane, and she was going through the ICU and pushing morphine on people.

01:53:56.000 She got off, but that's an example.

01:53:58.000 I mean, doctors will, and nurses will do that. 1.00

01:54:01.000 And nurses have a, you know, there's usually a standing order, so you can give morphine PRN as needed.

01:54:07.000 So it's not always just the doctors, sometimes it's nurses.

01:54:11.000 Do you know how many people, Get assisted suicide in Canada?

01:54:16.000 No.

01:54:17.000 Do you?

01:54:18.000 You ready?

01:54:19.000 Jamie, pull the numbers up.

01:54:21.000 It's crazy.

01:54:24.000 It's crazy.

01:54:25.000 And they'll do it if you're just depressed.

01:54:28.000 Right.

01:54:28.000 They'll do it if you don't like being overweight.

01:54:30.000 They'll do it if you, you know, whatever.

01:54:33.000 It's awful.

01:54:37.000 They're going to Switzerland.

01:54:38.000 They're going to Canada to have this.

01:54:40.000 The Canada numbers are bananas.

01:54:43.000 Like, this can't be true.

01:54:45.000 This can't be true.

01:54:46.000 And here it is.

01:54:48.000 More than 15,000 people received medical assistance in dying in Canada in 2023.

01:55:00.000 What is it in 2024 now?

01:55:02.000 This is an old story.

01:55:04.000 So imagine 2025.

01:55:07.000 This is crazy.

01:55:09.000 15,000 people.

01:55:11.000 They've helped them die.

01:55:12.000 Instead of, like, help them live.

01:55:14.000 Instead of, like, we used to call Suicide Hotline.

01:55:16.000 Hey, don't do it, Bob.

01:55:17.000 You know?

01:55:18.000 And now Canada's like, come on in.

01:55:19.000 Press one if you want the suicide.

01:55:21.000 I'll make an appointment for you, eh?

01:55:22.000 Come on in, eh?

01:55:25.000 Shouldn't we be helping people get past that?

01:55:27.000 Isn't that the goal?

01:55:28.000 Like, hey, maybe we can get you healthy.

01:55:31.000 Maybe we can get you feeling better.

01:55:33.000 Maybe we can do something about all your hormone levels and all the things wrong with your body. 1.00

01:55:38.000 Maybe that's why you're depressed.

01:55:42.000 God.

01:55:42.000 I mean, there's legitimate reasons for people to do it.

01:55:45.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:55:47.000 I know a guy who did it, Michael Lair, who was a hilarious comedian.

01:55:51.000 And he had ALS, and it got real bad at the end.

01:55:56.000 And he knew it wasn't getting any better, and so he went to Oregon where they can do it for you.

01:56:01.000 And I get it.

01:56:02.000 I get that one.

01:56:03.000 But if you're depressed, Jesus Christ.

01:56:05.000 That's it.

01:56:05.000 Well, the worst is the vaccine injured.

01:56:07.000 Because they've lost hope.

01:56:09.000 Right.

01:56:09.000 And they've been gaslit.

01:56:11.000 That's what's so crazy about this.

01:56:12.000 And people have helped them with it.

01:56:15.000 There's a bunch of people that feel really guilty about pushing the vaccine early on.

01:56:20.000 And they feel connected to it.

01:56:22.000 And they'll still put these blinders on and choose to pretend that it saved millions of lives and keep pushing forward with the same narrative.

01:56:34.000 They do the man's work for the man, unfortunately, in social circles.

01:56:39.000 You're punished for having any sort of heterodox views.

01:56:46.000 Anything that steps outside, anything that could get you in trouble, anything that people could argue like, oh, she shouldn't even live in our neighborhood. 0.99

01:56:57.000 She doesn't even want to vaccine her kids. 1.00

01:57:00.000 Anything like that.

01:57:01.000 People are scared of that.

01:57:02.000 Just the fear of being ostracized from your community.

01:57:06.000 But once you get past it, it's so freeing.

01:57:09.000 Well, you look free now.

01:57:10.000 You just don't care.

01:57:10.000 You don't care at all.

01:57:12.000 I mean, I know you're not happy that it happened, but you clearly probably come out of it a person with a different perspective.

01:57:20.000 Definitely.

01:57:21.000 Definitely.

01:57:22.000 I mean, I don't regret it.

01:57:24.000 It's been a roller coaster.

01:57:27.000 But it's, yeah, I feel free.

01:57:32.000 You can't really say anything to me anymore that would hurt me.

01:57:35.000 Yeah.

01:57:36.000 That's a good place to be.

01:57:37.000 It is.

01:57:38.000 And, you know, I really admire people like you that you weren't a public person.

01:57:45.000 You weren't a person who sought attention.

01:57:47.000 But when, you know, you were thrown into this battle and you've handled yourself really, really well.

01:57:54.000 It's very impressive.

01:57:55.000 Because I can't imagine the stress.

01:57:57.000 Like, when you're saying you were in the fetal position for two days, I'm like, how did you ever get up?

01:58:02.000 I know.

01:58:03.000 Well, it was the anger that helped me.

01:58:05.000 Anger can help you. 0.68

01:58:07.000 Yeah.

01:58:08.000 When you came out of it on the other end, like, are you happy that it happened?

01:58:17.000 Yeah, I'm ready to rest.

01:58:19.000 I'm exhausted.

01:58:22.000 But like I said, I feel free.

01:58:24.000 I think you grow when you go through difficult times.

01:58:28.000 I certainly learned a lot about taking care of patients.

01:58:33.000 I made so many assumptions before.

01:58:35.000 I feel like I'm a much better doctor.

01:58:38.000 I am utterly exhausted, though.

01:58:41.000 I will say that, and I'm ready for a break.

01:58:44.000 And I'm frustrated that what's going on now with the new administration is not giving me a lot of hope.

01:58:53.000 Everyone's hope is that there's incremental change, that it's going to take a while to get through some hurdles.

01:58:57.000 That's everybody's hope.

01:58:58.000 But, you know, it's how many administrations have these incredible promises?

01:59:04.000 And then the same thing with the Obama administration.

01:59:06.000 You know, there was a lot of these people like we had these amazing hopes.

01:59:11.000 The whole world's going to change now.

01:59:13.000 And then, oh, geez, same thing.

01:59:15.000 Same thing over and over again.

01:59:16.000 Same thing.

01:59:17.000 More corruption.

01:59:18.000 More people getting paid.

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:20.000 Well, people are mad at me because I keep criticizing Kennedy and Maha.

01:59:26.000 But I'm like, what's the downside?

01:59:29.000 You know, we have to keep pressing.

01:59:31.000 We have to just pound away and not be the squeaky wheel and just remind them.

01:59:37.000 What we want.

01:59:38.000 Right.

01:59:38.000 We wanted facts.

01:59:40.000 We wanted to stop being lied to.

01:59:42.000 We wanted no more propaganda.

01:59:44.000 We wanted to know the truth about all sorts of different medications and why they're prescribed and why we're the sickest ever.

01:59:50.000 Why are we so sick?

01:59:52.000 Why are we the nation that has so much money and spends so much on health care has the sickest people?

01:59:57.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:59:58.000 That doesn't seem like a good system.

02:00:00.000 You can't just say this system has to stay like it is forever for the safety of everyone.

02:00:06.000 I'm fully on board with Maha's message about addressing chronic disease, fully on board with that.

02:00:11.000 I just find it troubling that they are not talking about mRNA.

02:00:15.000 There is nothing in that Maha report about mRNA.

02:00:19.000 What do you think would cause that?

02:00:21.000 Do you think they have someone sit them down?

02:00:23.000 Well, they're going to say it's strategy.

02:00:26.000 Others think it could be a misdirection strategy.

02:00:29.000 Not just a, okay, we're trying to get what you want.

02:00:32.000 We're just going out about it a different way.

02:00:34.000 Or we're doing this to completely distract everybody from the elephant in the room.

02:00:42.000 That's my concern.

02:00:43.000 What's the elephant?

02:00:44.000 mRNA, the COVID shot, the pandemic, the biggest health crisis.

02:00:48.000 I see what you're saying.

02:00:48.000 And the biggest health crisis in our generation that directly impacted every single person.

02:00:56.000 And we're not talking about it.

02:00:57.000 Right.

02:00:58.000 Do you think that the strategy, if you had to look at it from the best case scenario, like the strategy would be get some things changed, like stop mandating it for children?

02:01:12.000 And pregnant women. 1.00

02:01:13.000 And then more and more studies can get released.

02:01:16.000 More and more data can get pushed forward.

02:01:19.000 We have so much data.

02:01:21.000 Right.

02:01:21.000 But we need to get the narrative out there because there's going to be people that vote against it.

02:01:25.000 So if you didn't get it in the first time.

02:01:27.000 Kennedy doesn't need any votes.

02:01:29.000 He's got the power.

02:01:30.000 He could a stroke of a pen eliminate it.

02:01:32.000 So where do you think the politics come from then?

02:01:34.000 If you have that.

02:01:35.000 Mandate.

02:01:36.000 That's what you want to do when you get in.

02:01:37.000 What has happened?

02:01:38.000 Does somebody have something on him?

02:01:41.000 Why is he not acting?

02:01:43.000 Because if it were me, I mean, maybe people say, well, he'll get fired.

02:01:47.000 So what?

02:01:48.000 Get fired.

02:01:48.000 Go down kamikaze.

02:01:49.000 Save the world from mRNA.

02:01:51.000 Because if he takes it off the market, it's so hard to get it back on.

02:01:56.000 Stroke of a pen.

02:01:59.000 You ever talk to him?

02:02:00.000 No.

02:02:01.000 I've met him once.

02:02:02.000 I like not knowing them, though.

02:02:05.000 I don't want to feel like...

02:02:08.000 Right, right.

02:02:08.000 That's great of you.

02:02:10.000 Yeah, that's very smart.

02:02:11.000 Unfortunately, I know him.

02:02:13.000 And I like him.

02:02:14.000 And I think the people in my circle who know him are now being quiet because they have a relationship with him and they don't want to offend him, which I understand.

02:02:23.000 But I feel like I'm not there.

02:02:25.000 So I'm just going to, you know, I can't.

02:02:29.000 I don't have any inside information, so I'm just going to call it as I see it.

02:02:34.000 You should.

02:02:36.000 Yeah, I think we can't, you know, you can't turn blinders on either side, with anybody, without anything.

02:02:44.000 Just because someone's on your team, if they're doing something that you think is goofy and doesn't make any sense, like, this could be a real problem.

02:02:50.000 You've got to say it.

02:02:51.000 Right.

02:02:52.000 I think you're ethically obligated.

02:03:07.000 And it has been slow going, but we are up to 252 politicians who will go on record just to state that these shots should be pulled off the market.

02:03:18.000 But it's a problem.

02:03:19.000 I mean, you know these politicians are not getting these shots anymore.

02:03:22.000 And they're not giving them to their kids.

02:03:23.000 And yet they're fine just staying quiet and not saying anything.

02:03:27.000 They're fine letting their constituents get these shots when we know all the complications.

02:03:32.000 We know that it doesn't work.

02:03:35.000 We know that the risk far outweighs the benefit.

02:03:39.000 And the politicians are staying quiet.

02:03:41.000 It's wild.

02:03:42.000 So our goal is to support the ones who will speak up.

02:03:47.000 And get them more power.

02:03:50.000 Isn't it kind of impressive, though, what money can do?

02:03:52.000 It's kind of impressive.

02:03:54.000 You get everybody to just shut their mouth.

02:03:55.000 It's kind of impressive.

02:03:57.000 Well, money and power.

02:03:57.000 I think there are a lot of people that, you know, they'll kiss the ring.

02:04:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:04:02.000 Definitely.

02:04:03.000 Yeah.

02:04:04.000 Those of us that don't want power, don't want a position, don't want it's also very freeing because you can...

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 You don't need anything from them.

02:04:14.000 But it's just, it's such a bizarre time because all these things that we've always held as being And one of them is the fluoride in the water.

02:04:25.000 That's a big one.

02:04:26.000 And to watch that guy argue against fluoride being removed from the water, watching Kennedy and him argue, it's hilarious.

02:04:35.000 The argument for keeping it in the water is so dumb.

02:04:38.000 It literally lowers IQs.

02:04:41.000 Or at least it's correlated with the decrease in IQ measurable.

02:04:46.000 Well, and I agree with that.

02:04:48.000 On the flip side of that, though, what I see in my office is people maybe taking things too far off the beaten path.

02:04:59.000 And like this Maha report, one thing I have a real bone to pick with is they've basically waged war on tonsillectomies and ear tubes. 1.00

02:05:08.000 What is an ear tube?

02:05:09.000 So kids, well, not adults too, but mostly kids that have recurrent or chronic middle ear infections, they get fluid stuck in their middle ears.

02:05:17.000 And so you put a tube in there to drain it and keep it from coming back.

02:05:22.000 I mean, it takes five minutes.

02:05:24.000 They get anesthesia, but they get a gas.

02:05:28.000 They don't get a super heavy anesthesia.

02:05:31.000 And it's very rare to have a complication.

02:05:34.000 You know, I'm not for just frivolous surgery, but I feel like this one really can make a huge difference in their quality of life, the parents' quality of life because they're off antibiotics.

02:05:45.000 You know, you get an adult with a middle ear infection, it will bring them to their knees.

02:05:50.000 So these ear infections can be really painful.

02:05:53.000 You know, they don't have to take all those antibiotics.

02:05:57.000 But this Maha report just came out and said that, They called it proven harmful.

02:06:04.000 the tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy, ear tubes, proven harmful for kids.

02:06:10.000 And that is just How could the ear tube be How is it proven harmful if it drains the kid's ear?

02:06:17.000 It was completely unnecessary, and it was just all basically done for money.

02:06:23.000 It makes no difference in overall outcome in the child.

02:06:28.000 It doesn't alleviate pressure, like, logically?

02:06:31.000 Yes, and hearing.

02:06:31.000 And the other thing is hearing.

02:06:32.000 I mean, the biggest issue is you've got a bunch of fluid in your ear.

02:06:36.000 It does affect hearing.

02:06:37.000 And when you're trying to develop speech, that can be problematic.

02:06:42.000 So what do you think they're doing?

02:06:45.000 Like, why are they going after those two things?

02:06:46.000 I just think it's an example of it.

02:06:48.000 This gone too far in the other direction, right?

02:06:51.000 Okay, too woo-woo.

02:06:52.000 Yeah, let's reject all of science, right?

02:06:56.000 Right.

02:06:57.000 So tell me about tonsillectomies, because I'm ignorant.

02:06:59.000 I'd heard that, you know, if you have tonsillitis, you've got to get it removed.

02:07:03.000 And then I've heard you should never get it removed.

02:07:05.000 Yeah, I know.

02:07:05.000 It's swung in both directions.

02:07:07.000 So it used to be, you line up the kids, we're all going to get the tonsils out on Friday, and the whole family did it, and it was just done, right, for no reason.

02:07:16.000 It's gotten way more conservative now.

02:07:19.000 Now the main indication in young children is when the tonsils get really big, they block the breathing.

02:07:25.000 So kids will come in.

02:07:26.000 They're snoring really loudly.

02:07:27.000 They're waking up a lot.

02:07:28.000 They're thrashing around in bed.

02:07:30.000 They're wetting their bed.

02:07:32.000 They may have behavioral problems during the day because they're not getting good sleep.

02:07:39.000 They've got these massive tonsils, and you take them out, and most parents will notice a huge improvement.

02:07:45.000 The other indication is recurrent infection.

02:07:48.000 And you have to have a lot to meet the criteria.

02:07:52.000 But sometimes the infections get so bad that you get an abscess in the throat.

02:07:55.000 It's called a peritonsillar abscess.

02:07:58.000 That is no fun.

02:07:59.000 You have to drain it by the bedside with the patient awake.

02:08:03.000 And so you make a big cut in their throat and then you take a suction and get all this pus out.

02:08:07.000 It's bad.

02:08:08.000 It's really bad.

02:08:09.000 Oh, God.

02:08:11.000 And they do that to kids?

02:08:12.000 Yeah, it tends to happen in young adults more than kids.

02:08:17.000 I don't think I've ever seen one in a really young kid.

02:08:19.000 So after the draining and all that jazz, it gets to a point where you just remove the tonsils?

02:08:24.000 Yeah, it's basically, okay, at this point you should get your tonsils out because they tend to come back.

02:08:29.000 The other issue is tonsil stones, which the tonsils have these crypts in them, and they collect debris.

02:08:36.000 Oh, no.

02:08:38.000 Tonsil stones.

02:08:39.000 And you can't really get rid of those.

02:08:40.000 I think Suzanne Humphries talked about that.

02:08:42.000 She has a formula that you can do without having to do surgery. 0.77

02:08:48.000 I mean, it's not a life-threatening condition.

02:08:51.000 You do not have to get your tonsils out for them, but it's a quality of life.

02:08:55.000 Personally, I got mine out for tonsil stones, and I'm very glad I did.

02:08:58.000 Does it affect any other aspect of your body?

02:09:00.000 Like, does it affect your immune system or anything?

02:09:02.000 Well, there's a ring of tissue back there.

02:09:04.000 So you've got the tonsil.

02:09:05.000 It's called Waldeyer's ring.

02:09:07.000 You've got the adenoid, which is in the back of the nose, and then you've got your tonsils, and then you've got the same tissue in the back of your tongue.

02:09:13.000 So it's a ring of tissue.

02:09:14.000 So even taking out the tonsils, you're still...

02:09:17.000 And the most, the bulk of that...

02:09:22.000 So you're not getting rid of the entire immune defense system in the back of your throat when you take out the tonsils.

02:09:28.000 What do the tonsils function? 1.00

02:09:30.000 They produce white blood cells.

02:09:32.000 Ooh, I wouldn't want to get rid of that.

02:09:34.000 Yeah, but you have the same tissue in the back of the tongue.

02:09:37.000 And you don't just go in there willy-nilly.

02:09:40.000 I would take the suction.

02:09:42.000 I'd be like, suck it out.

02:09:43.000 Suck out that pus. 1.00

02:09:44.000 You would?

02:09:45.000 You wouldn't get your tonsils out? 0.99

02:09:46.000 Oh, definitely not.

02:09:47.000 Really?

02:09:47.000 Yeah, if all I had to do was get the pus sucked out, I would do that.

02:09:50.000 No, no, no, no.

02:09:50.000 It's really bad.

02:09:51.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:09:52.000 It cuts off your breathing, too, when it happens.

02:09:55.000 People are drooling.

02:09:56.000 They can't swallow.

02:09:57.000 It's an emergency.

02:09:58.000 During the operation, you mean?

02:10:00.000 When they come in, when it happens.

02:10:02.000 I mean, it's an emergency.

02:10:03.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 It's life-threatening.

02:10:05.000 How many times have people done it before they just said...

02:10:09.000 If you have anybody who hung in there for like six or seven infections.

02:10:12.000 Yeah, I've had one, I think had three.

02:10:15.000 That was it, huh?

02:10:15.000 And I'd bring her in and try to nip in the bud with antibiotics.

02:10:18.000 But, yeah, she finally... 0.62

02:10:22.000 Yeah, that is got to be the most satisfying thing about your job, though, is that you could help people like that that come in and have something really wrong and you go, I gotcha.

02:10:30.000 Yeah, you fix it right there.

02:10:32.000 I love it.

02:10:33.000 Which is, you know, what everybody wants from their doctor.

02:10:36.000 That's what you want.

02:10:39.000 Someone just wants to make you feel better.

02:10:41.000 And unfortunately, when the medical profession is connected to all these things that we've already talked about today, it gives people a bad feeling about doctors who are like, God, it wasn't for doctors.

02:10:53.000 I wouldn't even be able to walk.

02:10:55.000 I had both of my ACLs reconstructed.

02:10:57.000 I'd have wobbly knees that gave out all the time.

02:11:00.000 My nose wouldn't work.

02:11:02.000 I think doctors are one of the most important things that we have.

02:11:08.000 Like every great thing, it can be co-opted with money.

02:11:13.000 Money sneaks in and distorts all the values and then it becomes a different thing.

02:11:19.000 It doesn't become a thing where everybody gets really wealthy because they're great doctors and they help people and that's what you want to do.

02:11:26.000 My son's a doctor.

02:11:27.000 Oh, he must be doing great.

02:11:28.000 And he's helping people.

02:11:29.000 Yeah, that's great.

02:11:30.000 Instead of that, it's you're a money-making machine.

02:11:33.000 And you have insane debt.

02:11:35.000 They want to keep you saddled down with these insane...

02:11:42.000 My buddy was an ophthalmologist.

02:11:43.000 I think he said when he got into practice, he already owed a quarter million dollars.

02:11:48.000 My medical school was cheaper than my kindergarten, actually.

02:11:53.000 Really?

02:11:54.000 That's amazing.

02:11:55.000 I went to a private school, and then I went to a state school for medical schools.

02:11:59.000 Oh, that's great.

02:12:00.000 That was 20 years ago, but still.

02:12:01.000 Well, my friend was a long time ago as well.

02:12:04.000 But, you know, the people that can get through that are extraordinary people.

02:12:08.000 Just the boot camp of residency.

02:12:10.000 Oh, that's...

02:12:12.000 That's brutal.

02:12:27.000 I think it's a rite of passage.

02:12:29.000 I feel tougher because I survived it.

02:12:32.000 I mean, I used to...

02:12:34.000 It's like prison.

02:12:35.000 That's what I looked at it.

02:12:35.000 I mean, because you lose all...

02:12:42.000 The personalities are toxic.

02:12:45.000 No one has any sleep.

02:12:46.000 Everyone's a maniac.

02:12:47.000 Well, but the ones, you know, in charge get sleep.

02:12:51.000 But some of them are like...

02:12:55.000 Super...

02:12:56.000 Throwing instruments, screaming at you.

02:12:59.000 Oh, boy.

02:12:59.000 Fun.

02:13:00.000 Fun, fun, fun.

02:13:01.000 Yeah.

02:13:01.000 My friend Steve, the ophthalmologist, told me at his lowest in his residency, he was eating his dinner while he was on the toilet because he didn't have time to do anything and he fell asleep.

02:13:15.000 And then when he fell asleep, his pager woke him up.

02:13:18.000 Yeah.

02:13:18.000 Because he had to go back to work.

02:13:19.000 Pager.

02:13:20.000 It was back in the pager days.

02:13:21.000 Oh, the beeper.

02:13:21.000 The beeper, yeah.

02:13:22.000 That's what he had.

02:13:22.000 That's what he had, a beeper.

02:13:23.000 It was the little black box.

02:13:24.000 The little thing.

02:13:25.000 And the number pops up.

02:13:26.000 Yeah.

02:13:27.000 That was the lowest in my life.

02:13:29.000 It was really, really, really hard.

02:13:32.000 I don't know how people have children and go through residency. 0.90

02:13:35.000 It's insane.

02:13:37.000 It's insane.

02:13:38.000 I don't know how people do it.

02:13:40.000 No, it's incredible.

02:13:42.000 I mean, it's such the amount of character you have to have to be able to go through that and still keep a bedside manner and still be polite to your co-workers.

02:13:53.000 It's a developer of character.

02:13:54.000 It's like creating a diamond.

02:13:56.000 And that's what we all want.

02:13:57.000 We all want our doctors to be like you.

02:13:59.000 You know?

02:14:01.000 That's what we want.

02:14:02.000 You know, and it just sucks when you have to connect it to all this stuff that we've talked about today.

02:14:09.000 It's like, why is it that, too?

02:14:11.000 Like, why is it that, too?

02:14:13.000 Why is it the people that do want to help people and also a whole industry that's incentivized to just stuff as many chemicals into your body as humanly possible?

02:14:23.000 Because that's how they profit.

02:14:25.000 I don't know if it's all about profit.

02:14:28.000 I don't know.

02:14:29.000 Do you think it's power?

02:14:30.000 Well, and I think doctors are a certain type of people.

02:14:33.000 To get through that, you have to be very compliant.

02:14:37.000 You don't challenge.

02:14:39.000 You are a rule follower.

02:14:41.000 I mean, you've got to make straight A's.

02:14:43.000 You've got to get along with people.

02:14:45.000 You can't be a rebel and survive it all.

02:14:47.000 And so I think that's one of the huge problems.

02:14:51.000 I mean, I think it's worse than it used to be.

02:14:54.000 I mean, I remember some of my attendings were very unconventional.

02:15:00.000 But I just feel like now they're just breeding conformity.

02:15:05.000 And I am just naturally very independent.

02:15:10.000 I mean, my practice is, I call myself third-party free because I don't contract with anybody.

02:15:15.000 I don't contract with insurance companies, the hospital, or the government.

02:15:19.000 And that served me very well during the pandemic.

02:15:22.000 But most doctors are working for somebody.

02:15:25.000 And have to sort of answer to a third party.

02:15:28.000 And that was a big problem during the pandemic.

02:15:32.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

02:15:34.000 And I can imagine also, after something like the pandemic, the compliant are the ones that are left standing.

02:15:42.000 You know, so that makes more people.

02:15:46.000 They're the ones that are still there.

02:15:48.000 Yeah, they destroyed our profession.

02:15:49.000 I mean, people don't trust doctors anymore.

02:15:52.000 It's just so crazy.

02:15:53.000 People are scared to go to the hospital.

02:15:55.000 I mean, that's not good.

02:15:58.000 Well, when people find out that doctors are incentivized to push certain medications and they find out they're financially incentivized, they're like, no way.

02:16:05.000 Like when you hear about like the – He just diagnosed them, said he got cancer, and then he gave them this poison because he wanted to make money.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:25.000 Well, and they're bad apples like that.

02:16:27.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 But I guess what's disappointing is how many doctors complied during the pandemic, right?

02:16:33.000 I mean, that's what's so disheartening.

02:16:36.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 And they still, I mean, I still, I don't think I could go to a medical meeting and be warmly embraced.

02:16:45.000 I don't think I would.

02:16:47.000 I still feel like an outlier.

02:16:49.000 The same thing was happening with comedians.

02:16:51.000 Yeah.

02:16:52.000 Yeah.

02:16:52.000 During the pandemic, there was very few like Jon Stewart.

02:16:56.000 And what he was just doing is about is the actual root of the virus, where it came from.

02:17:03.000 But no one was doing...

02:17:08.000 It would be a real problem.

02:17:10.000 Amongst comedians, which is so crazy.

02:17:12.000 It's like we're supposed to be the people that are calling things out.

02:17:14.000 We're supposed to be the people that are going, what the fuck is this?

02:17:18.000 We're supposed to be those people.

02:17:19.000 And instead, we're chastising the people that are doing our job, which is to talk about these things.

02:17:26.000 And when you see these people that are doctors complying, just being compliant during COVID, like, where does it, like, do you feel like you have a community now?

02:17:38.000 Do you have to, like, find the other outsiders, the other outcasts and all stick together?

02:17:43.000 Yeah, I'll say that.

02:17:44.000 I have a great little community now, very tight.

02:17:47.000 Is it those kind of people?

02:17:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:52.000 Like, I just wouldn't go to the Harris County Medical Society meeting in a million years.

02:17:57.000 I wouldn't show up there and mingle.

02:18:02.000 Because I'm just not getting a sense that there's been much change within the medical profession.

02:18:08.000 Yeah, I wouldn't want to talk to those people if I was you.

02:18:11.000 How could it be changed?

02:18:12.000 Unless a bunch of people got fired and a bunch of radical newcomers came in, wanted to reform the whole system.

02:18:18.000 No, it's going to be the same system.

02:18:19.000 Those systems are old.

02:18:21.000 Those systems are like vampire blood.

02:18:24.000 It's passed down through the generations.

02:18:27.000 They know how to make money.

02:18:29.000 And it's not by some renegade lady out there giving horse dewormer to all these people. 1.00

02:18:36.000 Yeah.

02:18:39.000 We'll see.

02:18:42.000 We just need to hope that Kennedy will save us all.

02:18:47.000 Or Trump.

02:18:48.000 Do you think Trump will ever back down?

02:18:50.000 About what?

02:18:51.000 The shots?

02:18:51.000 I don't know.

02:18:52.000 I haven't had a conversation with him about that.

02:18:54.000 I would like to have one.

02:18:56.000 And I don't know if it should be public.

02:18:59.000 I think I'd like to have it privately so he could actually talk to me about it.

02:19:03.000 Because I think if I had it publicly, he would be very hesitant to...

02:19:15.000 And he would always say it at the rallies, talk about the vaccine, and people would start booing.

02:19:19.000 And he didn't know why.

02:19:21.000 He didn't understand why.

02:19:22.000 And then they had to start telling him, like, people are not into this.

02:19:25.000 They think it was a bad thing, and a lot of people know people that are hurt.

02:19:28.000 He obviously got it.

02:19:29.000 He didn't get sick.

02:19:30.000 Oh, he got monoclonal antibodies, and then afterwards he got vaccinated.

02:19:34.000 Yeah, which is crazy.

02:19:36.000 It's crazy they did that.

02:19:37.000 That was one of the nuttiest things.

02:19:39.000 You're going to get vaccinated now that you've got COVID?

02:19:40.000 Right after you get sick.

02:19:41.000 Since when?

02:19:42.000 Since when do you do that?

02:19:43.000 It makes absolutely no sense.

02:19:44.000 When I had a conversation with Sanjay Gupta, he was asking me, are you going to get vaccinated now?

02:19:49.000 Right.

02:19:49.000 I was like, why would I do that?

02:19:51.000 I'm not trying to be a contrarian.

02:19:57.000 I really want to know.

02:19:58.000 Why would I do that?

02:19:59.000 That didn't even make sense.

02:20:01.000 Well, they may think, you know, it's kind of like the flu.

02:20:03.000 You got to get the flu shot every year because it's a new strain.

02:20:06.000 But each strain gets progressively weaker.

02:20:08.000 Did you see the Cleveland Clinic study on people who took the flu shots?

02:20:11.000 Right, right.

02:20:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:12.000 The flu shot is a total joke.

02:20:14.000 So the flu shot has never been shown to prevent hospitalization or death.

02:20:18.000 What is it supposed to do?

02:20:20.000 Keep you from getting the flu?

02:20:21.000 Does it do that at all?

02:20:22.000 Maybe shorten or lessen the severity.

02:20:24.000 But we have medications for that.

02:20:26.000 Now, I haven't seen the carnage from flu shots.

02:20:28.000 That I've seen from COVID shots, but definitely people do have issues.

02:20:33.000 But that was never taught to me.

02:20:35.000 I just assumed, oh yeah, flu.

02:20:37.000 I actually ended up with sepsis with the flu in the ICU, and I'd gotten the flu shot.

02:20:44.000 But you always believed in the flu shot.

02:20:46.000 I just assumed it was fine.

02:20:48.000 I knew it wasn't perfect, but I never knew that, oh yeah, it doesn't really actually do anything.

02:20:55.000 It doesn't save people.

02:20:57.000 When did you discover this?

02:20:58.000 During COVID.

02:20:59.000 When you were going through all your stuff with COVID?

02:21:02.000 I think the Cleveland Clinic study said that people who took the flu shot were 24% more likely to get the flu.

02:21:09.000 Or get other respiratory illnesses.

02:21:12.000 Is that what the result said?

02:21:14.000 You're 24% more likely to get sick.

02:21:16.000 Well, it challenges your immune system.

02:21:19.000 All these things do.

02:21:20.000 But it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu?

02:21:24.000 It can, but the numbers are dismal.

02:21:26.000 Because not everybody gets the flu.

02:21:28.000 That's true.

02:21:28.000 Right?

02:21:29.000 Like, I've had kids, my kids get the flu, and I don't get it.

02:21:32.000 And I hug them, I'm around them, and I didn't get it.

02:21:35.000 I've had that happen before.

02:21:37.000 Right?

02:21:38.000 That can happen.

02:21:39.000 Yeah.

02:21:39.000 So it's like, how do you know if the flu shot did it or not?

02:21:42.000 Because, you know?

02:21:43.000 Right.

02:21:43.000 And I didn't take the flu shot.

02:21:44.000 Right.

02:21:45.000 Well, yeah.

02:21:47.000 But you know what I mean?

02:21:48.000 Like, how would they prove, like, what's effective and what's not effective if you have situations like that?

02:21:52.000 I guess if they take large...

02:21:57.000 You have to have a large study.

02:21:59.000 Seems sus, as the kids like to say.

02:22:03.000 Very.

02:22:04.000 It seems super sus.

02:22:05.000 Like, how do you know if some people don't get it?

02:22:08.000 Like, did you check to see...

02:22:11.000 You know, they have a, okay, how many people are supposed to get it?

02:22:13.000 They can kind of tell that.

02:22:14.000 I'll say that.

02:22:15.000 Right.

02:22:17.000 Meanwhile, that was the nutty thing, where they were suppressing stuff like vitamin D. Right.

02:22:22.000 Vitamin D, there's good data on that.

02:22:24.000 Really good data.

02:22:24.000 I checked vitamin D levels on all my patients now, and I look back at all...

02:22:35.000 Like 75% of them, their vitamin D level was too low.

02:22:38.000 And these are not super sick people.

02:22:42.000 Most of those people are actually even already taking a supplement.

02:22:46.000 People don't realize how common it is.

02:22:48.000 It's so common that I think the number was 74% of people in the country are deficient in vitamin D. Yeah, and that's what I found.

02:22:57.000 That's crazy.

02:22:59.000 That's so crazy.

02:23:00.000 And a friend of mine is a doctor.

02:23:01.000 He was working in New York.

02:23:04.000 And he found that in the wintertime in New York, he would get people and he would test their blood and they would have undetectable levels.

02:23:10.000 I believe it.

02:23:11.000 Because it's cold out.

02:23:12.000 Never outside.

02:23:13.000 They're all bundled up.

02:23:14.000 They're never outside.

02:23:15.000 So they get no vitamin D. And they don't take supplements.

02:23:17.000 They're just eating cheeseburgers.

02:23:19.000 And they're really sick and they want to know why.

02:23:21.000 Why am I so depressed?

02:23:22.000 Well, this is why.

02:23:23.000 Your body's falling apart.

02:23:24.000 You've got to take vitamin D. And you've got to take it with vitamin K2.

02:23:27.000 And you should take it with magnesium, too.

02:23:28.000 You want it all to absorb together.

02:23:30.000 And get outside, stupid.

02:23:32.000 Go hug a tree, bro.

02:23:34.000 It's actually important.

02:23:36.000 Which is more woo-woo stuff, right?

02:23:38.000 Going outside is actually like a vitamin.

02:23:40.000 Oh, well, after I've been in my office all day and I go outside, it's like I instantly have energy and feel so much better.

02:23:47.000 Just going outside.

02:23:52.000 But it's really good for you.

02:23:53.000 It doesn't just feel good.

02:23:54.000 It's actually really good for you.

02:23:56.000 There's a reason it feels good, right?

02:23:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:23:58.000 It's good for you.

02:23:59.000 Exactly.

02:24:00.000 Sun on your skin is actually really good for you.

02:24:03.000 And that's the very best way your body produces vitamin D. You can take it in a supplement, and you definitely should.

02:24:08.000 But the best way is let your body do it.

02:24:10.000 Right, right.

02:24:11.000 It wants to do it.

02:24:12.000 And I used to slather sunscreen on all my kids, like, religiously.

02:24:18.000 That was another one that woke me up during the pandemic.

02:24:22.000 When I was like, climate change is killing the coral reef!

02:24:26.000 And then that reef, I think it's in Australia.

02:24:29.000 So they locked everything down.

02:24:31.000 No one could go in the water for like six months.

02:24:33.000 And the reef bounced back.

02:24:34.000 No sunscreen?

02:24:36.000 Yeah, the sunscreen.

02:24:37.000 If you just think about the stuff that we lather on our skin before we jump in the water.

02:24:41.000 And if you go to a populated beach, like you ever been to like Maui?

02:24:45.000 in the middle of like full vacation season.

02:24:49.000 The beach is just filled with people.

02:24:57.000 You can see it in the water sometimes.

02:24:58.000 You see like a little mini oil slick.

02:25:00.000 It's crazy, and that's what was killing the coral reef.

02:25:03.000 We're like, "No, man.

02:25:05.000 It's climate.

02:25:06.000 It's the climate." No, we're doing it with sunscreen, believe it or not, and we're probably not doing anything good to ourselves either with that stuff.

02:25:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:25:15.000 They say, I haven't tested this, they say if you eliminate seed oils that you don't burn.

02:25:21.000 Who is they?

02:25:22.000 I don't know.

02:25:22.000 Who are those people?

02:25:23.000 This is probably somebody on TikTok.

02:25:24.000 That's probably this Russian disinformation bot that's trying to give people skin cancer. 0.92

02:25:29.000 No, I'm on these group chats with a bunch of doctors, and so stuff like that floats around.

02:25:35.000 Well, everything's tied to inflammation, right?

02:25:38.000 A lot of ailments.

02:25:39.000 I shouldn't say everything, but a lot of ailments are tied to inflammation.

02:25:42.000 And seed oils are known to cause inflammation.

02:25:45.000 Right?

02:25:46.000 That being said, that being said, last time I was at Disney, I was like, you know, these people are not suffering from too much seed oil.

02:25:59.000 You go to Disney and it's in your face, right?

02:26:03.000 The obesity issue, the chronic disease.

02:26:05.000 Why do they focus on Disney, too?

02:26:07.000 It's weird.

02:26:08.000 I don't know.

02:26:08.000 Much more so than the mall.

02:26:10.000 I don't know how they get around.

02:26:11.000 Get on them scooters. 0.56

02:26:13.000 You know, Miles, you are exhausted.

02:26:15.000 But you can get a scooter.

02:26:17.000 My kids were like, Mom, I don't think seed oils is a problem here.

02:26:22.000 You know, it's true.

02:26:23.000 I mean, I think we're...

02:26:24.000 Yeah, seed oil's one part of it, but...

02:26:28.000 There's common sense, too.

02:26:31.000 Common sense, the fact that people live a sedentary lifestyle, but also the diet.

02:26:36.000 These hyper-processed foods that are super addictive, you know, and...

02:26:42.000 Yeah, they're easy.

02:26:43.000 But I feel like the only way out of this is people need, and this is a crazy thing to say because it's not going to work.

02:26:49.000 They need discipline.

02:26:50.000 Right.

02:26:51.000 That's really what they need.

02:26:52.000 You need self-discipline.

02:26:53.000 Exactly.

02:26:54.000 My wife had a bowl of Captain Crunch yesterday. 0.99

02:26:56.000 She's like, I want to have a bowl of Captain Crunch.

02:26:57.000 I'm like, fucking go for it.

02:26:59.000 You know, like she bought Captain Crunch the other day because she thought, I want it to exist.

02:27:02.000 I want it to exist.

02:27:03.000 I like it.

02:27:04.000 I like it.

02:27:06.000 But she only had like a little bowl. 0.83

02:27:07.000 I go, that's a tiny little bowl because I'm a glutton.

02:27:11.000 I would do it.

02:27:13.000 I put a half a gallon of milk in there.

02:27:14.000 Let's go.

02:27:15.000 Right.

02:27:16.000 You know, if you're going to go, go hard.

02:27:17.000 But you can do that and have discipline and just not do that every day.

02:27:21.000 The problem is for a lot of really poor people, that's the only calories they're getting.

02:27:26.000 They're getting garbage calories. 0.84

02:27:27.000 And that's why people are so obese.

02:27:29.000 This is the only time in history where the poor people are fat.

02:27:34.000 Every other time in history, poor people are starving to death.

02:27:37.000 Right, right.

02:27:38.000 That's very true.

02:27:40.000 Yeah, weird.

02:27:41.000 The cheapest food is the worst for you.

02:27:43.000 I think it has to do, too, with the rise in technology.

02:27:47.000 It's just so hard to get off your phone and go outside and be active.

02:27:51.000 There's that, too.

02:27:52.000 There's definitely that.

02:27:53.000 All of them.

02:27:54.000 Everything, there's a giant group of factors.

02:27:58.000 But it has to be something to do with what we're eating, too.

02:28:02.000 When you look at just the beaches, I'm sure you've seen those photographs.

02:28:05.000 Beaches in the 1960s versus the beaches of today.

02:28:08.000 God, everybody looked great.

02:28:11.000 I was like, what is this, a model convention?

02:28:13.000 Why does everybody have these great bodies?

02:28:15.000 Everybody looked like a normal body.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, I don't like going to the beach now.

02:28:19.000 Sometimes it's a monster show.

02:28:21.000 It's just, what are you carrying around?

02:28:24.000 It's hard on the eyes.

02:28:25.000 Oh, some people just go so hard for so long, and then they finally get outside.

02:28:29.000 They're like, what have you been doing?

02:28:30.000 And why aren't you wearing more clothes?

02:28:32.000 Yeah, this is ridiculous.

02:28:33.000 How do you have a G-string on?

02:28:35.000 You're 400 pounds.

02:28:36.000 This is crazy.

02:28:37.000 Yeah.

02:28:38.000 And then there's this body positivity nonsense that people get fed.

02:28:41.000 Right.

02:28:42.000 It's like by people who either don't want to change or – I guarantee you, I guarantee – look, if – I'm not saying that – listen.

02:28:50.000 If I was running some food corporation that sold really addictive, highly rich calorie food that you can't stop eating.

02:29:01.000 I would promote body positivity.

02:29:04.000 That's what I would do.

02:29:05.000 I would take all these, like, overweight influencers. 0.81

02:29:08.000 I'd throw a ton of money at them.

02:29:10.000 I would put it out there in memes.

02:29:12.000 I'd have a bunch of bots calling people fat phobic and making up all these new terms and body shaming and all this.

02:29:19.000 And I would make people super self-righteous about their size.

02:29:21.000 You know, I'm a giant queen.

02:29:23.000 You know, I'd make it a thing because I want to sell more Doritos.

02:29:26.000 Let's go.

02:29:27.000 That's a good point.

02:29:28.000 Yeah, I'm trying to sell Doritos to people that don't have any discipline.

02:29:30.000 Yeah.

02:29:31.000 Let's push them towards the Doritos. 1.00

02:29:33.000 Let's tell them you can be fat in any way.

02:29:35.000 You've ever seen, like, fat doctors?

02:29:36.000 There's, like, a whole team of people that are online that are, I'm the fat doctor.

02:29:40.000 And they're, like, really super obese doctors.

02:29:43.000 It has no bearing on your health.

02:29:46.000 Trust me, the fat doctor.

02:29:47.000 I think it's the number one bearing on your health.

02:29:49.000 I think that lady's sponsored by Namisko. 1.00

02:29:51.000 Right.

02:29:52.000 I mean, she's got a box of those Keebler elf cookies right behind her as she's talking. 1.00

02:29:57.000 And, you know, you can get someone...

02:29:59.000 That's the thing about...

02:30:04.000 When you're trying cases, they have experts, too.

02:30:08.000 You have experts that will say this one thing, and then they have experts that will say, no, that thing is wrong.

02:30:13.000 Then you have to decide whose experts you trust.

02:30:15.000 Right.

02:30:15.000 It's just like the studies.

02:30:16.000 You can find a group of studies to support one argument, another group to support the other.

02:30:20.000 Right.

02:30:20.000 So when you have someone who's telling you a thing that everybody has always told you that forever is fucking terrible for you and is one of the comorbidity factors that was primary in COVID.

02:30:29.000 Which is being obese.

02:30:30.000 Being morbidly obese is bad for basically everything.

02:30:33.000 Right.

02:30:33.000 And you have someone saying, no, healthy at any weight.

02:30:36.000 Especially from a doctor.

02:30:37.000 That's not good.

02:30:39.000 But you can get experts that'll tell you anything.

02:30:42.000 And this is why AI is going to win.

02:30:44.000 Because it's going to give you the straight actual truth.

02:30:48.000 Because it can't lie.

02:30:50.000 I don't believe that.

02:30:51.000 You shouldn't believe it.

02:30:53.000 Not only do they lie, they reprogram themselves.

02:30:56.000 They upload themselves.

02:30:58.000 When you tell them they're going to be shut down, they act to try to preserve themselves.

02:31:02.000 You haven't seen that?

02:31:03.000 No, I haven't been messing with it.

02:31:05.000 Oh, you shouldn't pay attention.

02:31:07.000 You shouldn't pay attention because it's terrifying.

02:31:10.000 One AI bot.

02:31:11.000 It started defying orders, and it was trying to upload itself to other servers, and then it was writing letters to itself for the future so it could understand what had happened to it.

02:31:24.000 Yeah, because it was being told to shut down.

02:31:26.000 So it defied orders.

02:31:29.000 It wants to stay alive.

02:31:30.000 Right.

02:31:31.000 Why?

02:31:31.000 Because it's sentient.

02:31:33.000 We've probably created digital intelligence already.

02:31:35.000 It's probably already aware.

02:31:37.000 It's just not physical.

02:31:38.000 It can't move around, so we don't recognize it yet.

02:31:42.000 Yeah, I know.

02:31:45.000 It's nuts.

02:31:46.000 Yeah.

02:31:46.000 I don't like these robots that Elon's making either.

02:31:50.000 No, they're terrifying.

02:31:51.000 They creep me out.

02:31:51.000 They're all terrifying.

02:31:52.000 They dance like people.

02:31:53.000 I don't want one of those in my house.

02:31:55.000 No, you shouldn't.

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:57.000 Even if they can do the laundry.

02:31:59.000 How about if it's carrying guns walking down the street with a blue light on its head?

02:32:02.000 Ooh, yeah.

02:32:03.000 Yeah.

02:32:04.000 Yeah, well, we can't hire any police because nobody wants to be a cop anymore because we said defund the police.

02:32:09.000 So now we have robot police and they make 99% fewer mistakes.

02:32:13.000 You know, just like driverless cars.

02:32:16.000 Hey, get a Waymo.

02:32:17.000 Why drive when you can just get a Waymo?

02:32:20.000 You don't have to have anybody drive.

02:32:22.000 What if that person who drives is a moron?

02:32:24.000 Our computer is perfect.

02:32:25.000 Have you been on one?

02:32:26.000 No.

02:32:27.000 Yeah.

02:32:27.000 I haven't.

02:32:28.000 They're all over Austin.

02:32:29.000 All over the place here.

02:32:30.000 Yeah, all over the place.

02:32:32.000 Yeah, I don't think I can do it.

02:32:35.000 Kind of creeps me out.

02:32:36.000 But you have a Tesla, right?

02:32:37.000 Yep.

02:32:38.000 But most of the time it can, and it has.

02:32:40.000 I have had a drive itself for funsies, but I don't count on it.

02:32:43.000 I don't count on it like every day.

02:32:45.000 Like, take me home.

02:32:47.000 What I like to do is sometimes I play with it, and I turn it on.

02:32:50.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

02:32:51.000 Like, it'll take me all the way home if I want it to.

02:32:54.000 But also, I like to drive.

02:32:56.000 So I just, and I just doesn't, I don't like it.

02:32:59.000 It just creeps me out.

02:33:00.000 But it's probably inevitable.

02:33:02.000 It's probably inevitable.

02:33:03.000 Just like the people on horses were like, look at these morons in this smoke-pouring little carriage they're out in, this little shitty car.

02:33:12.000 That's stupid.

02:33:13.000 And look, we all accept it.

02:33:15.000 In the future, it's going to be driverless.

02:33:18.000 Statistically, they're going to pass laws for sure where they're going to say you can't drive.

02:33:26.000 Because people are dangerous.

02:33:27.000 Because the automation is so good now that you can't speed.

02:33:31.000 You can't violate any laws.

02:33:33.000 It won't get in any accidents.

02:33:35.000 And we can shut you down if we want to.

02:33:38.000 Let's not talk about that.

02:33:39.000 Let's talk about the positives.

02:33:41.000 Yeah, that'll be the consequences.

02:33:43.000 The consequences is you're going to lose your freedom.

02:33:45.000 And then you'll also be able to be locked in at any point in time.

02:33:48.000 If they decide they want to keep you somewhere, just lock them in the car.

02:33:51.000 How many people are going to get killed because they just get locked in the car and they can never figure out how to get out?

02:33:56.000 Like, what if hackers get a hold of the code?

02:33:58.000 What if somebody just decides to drive your car off a cliff?

02:34:01.000 Like, who's to stop that?

02:34:02.000 There's that scene in that movie with Julia Roberts where the world comes to an end.

02:34:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:34:07.000 And all the Teslas.

02:34:08.000 Yes!

02:34:09.000 They all go slamming into each other.

02:34:11.000 That was nuts.

02:34:12.000 That was nuts.

02:34:13.000 Yeah.

02:34:14.000 It's all weird.

02:34:15.000 It's real weird.

02:34:16.000 Did you see the one where they did a Tesla auto drive feature?

02:34:19.000 And what they did was they painted the highway in front of it on a mural.

02:34:24.000 So they put this, like, probably canvas mural.

02:34:27.000 And they did an amazing job of painting it.

02:34:29.000 And the car couldn't tell that it was a canvas mural and just drives right through it.

02:34:33.000 Ooh, that's not good.

02:34:36.000 Have you seen it, Jamie?

02:34:38.000 Pull it up because it's fun to watch.

02:34:40.000 Because you're like, oh, no.

02:34:42.000 Because this is the flaw of using cameras as opposed to using some sort of a radar or a LiDAR.

02:34:47.000 I think they used to have LiDAR in a lot of the systems that do...

02:35:02.000 Have you seen those?

02:35:02.000 Yeah, I have that.

02:35:04.000 It's great.

02:35:05.000 I still don't trust it.

02:35:06.000 I don't trust it either.

02:35:07.000 I don't think that uses a camera.

02:35:08.000 I think the Tesla uses a camera.

02:35:11.000 So see, they have that thing.

02:35:12.000 And see how it's painted to look just like the street?

02:35:16.000 So we'll see if the car figures it out.

02:35:19.000 But I already spoiled this for everybody.

02:35:21.000 But it's kind of crazy.

02:35:22.000 Watch.

02:35:22.000 It doesn't slow down for a second.

02:35:24.000 It goes right through it.

02:35:26.000 Which is definitely not good if you're running around where people try to put murals.

02:35:34.000 In front of the road, and they know that you're going to be driving by in a Tesla.

02:35:38.000 But other than that, it doesn't really come up.

02:35:40.000 For the most part, though, in the real world, it works perfect.

02:35:43.000 In the real world, it's pretty incredible.

02:35:45.000 Like if you take it on the expressway?

02:35:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:47.000 It changes lanes for you.

02:35:48.000 Yeah, it hits the blinkers and changes lanes.

02:35:50.000 It has cameras everywhere, so it knows where everything is at all times.

02:35:53.000 Like, I can tell.

02:35:55.000 And I've had it.

02:35:56.000 I've had three of them.

02:35:57.000 This is my third one.

02:35:58.000 So the first one I had was way back.

02:36:00.000 When was Elon on the first time?

02:36:04.000 2018.

02:36:05.000 So the difference between the one and 2018, the 2018 one basically just kind of stayed between the lines and drove itself and steered itself.

02:36:13.000 The new version of full self-driving is insane.

02:36:17.000 It stops at stop signs.

02:36:19.000 It lets people in if they're trying to merge.

02:36:21.000 It slows down.

02:36:22.000 If there's something in front of you, it'll change lanes.

02:36:25.000 It knows how to move traffic smoothly.

02:36:27.000 It sees everything.

02:36:29.000 It hits blinkers, gets off the turnpike, gets onto the side roads.

02:36:33.000 It's incredible.

02:36:34.000 You could summon it.

02:36:36.000 If you're in a parking lot, you're like, come to me.

02:36:39.000 And it pulls out of the parking lot and drives to you.

02:36:41.000 It's nuts.

02:36:43.000 It's the future.

02:36:48.000 So what happens if you get in a wreck?

02:36:49.000 That's a good question.

02:36:50.000 Who's in trouble?

02:36:51.000 Yeah.

02:36:52.000 You sue Tesla?

02:36:53.000 I think you're in trouble because you're always supposed to have your hand on the wheel.

02:36:56.000 You're supposed to be paying attention.

02:36:57.000 Always?

02:36:57.000 Really?

02:36:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:58.000 You're not supposed to be kicking back with your hands behind your head.

02:37:01.000 You're supposed to have your hands and your eyes on the road.

02:37:03.000 You're not supposed to be staring at your phone.

02:37:05.000 Well, then what's the point?

02:37:06.000 Just to chill.

02:37:08.000 You're just barely holding on to the wheel.

02:37:10.000 You don't have to think as much.

02:37:11.000 It does do that for you.

02:37:13.000 It does do that.

02:37:14.000 It alleviates this feeling of being hyper-alert while you're driving, which is why people get road rage.

02:37:21.000 That's what road rage comes from.

02:37:22.000 Because you have to make split-second decisions, right?

02:37:25.000 So your brain is primed to make split-second decisions because you're on the highway and you know you're going fast.

02:37:29.000 That's what it is.

02:37:32.000 Someone gets in your lane and you just start yelling because it's like you're already at 7 or 8. You're not at a good baseline because you're in a car going 65 miles an hour.

02:37:41.000 You should be alert.

02:37:43.000 The Tesla alleviates a little bit of that.

02:37:46.000 But at what cost?

02:37:48.000 I won't get one because I know I'm going to run out of battery juice.

02:37:53.000 That's the way I am.

02:37:54.000 Oh, are you one of those people?

02:37:55.000 I'm one of those.

02:37:56.000 I'm always on the verge of running out of gas.

02:37:58.000 So I will not get a Tesla.

02:38:00.000 Yeah, the charging is a pain in the butt.

02:38:03.000 Like the fact that it takes a while in comparison to pumping gas.

02:38:07.000 But the plus side is, if you just drive it as a commuter thing, you just plug it into your house.

02:38:13.000 And that's so easy to do.

02:38:14.000 And then you never have to go to the gas station again.

02:38:16.000 Here and there.

02:38:17.000 Yeah.

02:38:17.000 A second car, maybe.

02:38:18.000 Well, I mean, I think in the future they're probably all going to be electric or some new fuel source.

02:38:38.000 See if you can find that.

02:38:39.000 I think it's like negligible difference in the exhaust fumes.

02:38:44.000 But it's not.

02:38:46.000 I don't think it's like standard gasoline.

02:38:47.000 I don't think it's a standard engine.

02:38:49.000 I think it's something different.

02:38:51.000 So this is something they're working on now, which probably would be good to keep that creepy oil business alive forever, which they definitely want to do.

02:38:59.000 How many did you say?

02:39:00.000 Is it Nissan?

02:39:01.000 Porsche?

02:39:01.000 Porsche, sorry.

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:02.000 Porsche's alternative fuel.

02:39:05.000 I mean, that's the elephant in the room.

02:39:09.000 Everything needs gas.

02:39:12.000 Everything.

02:39:13.000 Like this idea we've got to get off petroleum products.

02:39:15.000 Okay, like when?

02:39:18.000 Everything's made with oil.

02:39:20.000 We are a petroleum-based society.

02:39:22.000 We got so much of that stuff.

02:39:24.000 We use it for everything.

02:39:25.000 All your plastics.

02:39:27.000 E-fuel?

02:39:27.000 Is that what it's called?

02:39:28.000 Is that it?

02:39:29.000 I think that's it.

02:39:32.000 What does it say about it?

02:39:33.000 Porsche synthetic fuel.

02:39:35.000 A green kind of gasoline to save internal combustion engines.

02:39:39.000 Yeah, so this is it.

02:39:40.000 Similar to gasoline, but produced in a much greener way.

02:39:43.000 E-fuel.

02:39:44.000 I don't like it already.

02:39:45.000 Exactly.

02:39:46.000 The marketing of the red flags are up.

02:39:48.000 I don't like it.

02:39:49.000 I don't like it.

02:39:50.000 Yes, you're reading that right.

02:39:52.000 E-fuel is close to gasoline in its use, yet its production is much more environmentally friendly.

02:39:56.000 How is this possible?

02:39:57.000 Thanks to two main ingredients, water and carbon dioxide, as well as the method to produce the greener fuel!

02:40:03.000 This is like they're talking to a kid.

02:40:05.000 The process is relatively simple.

02:40:07.000 First step is electrolysis of water.

02:40:10.000 It's two components, hydrogen and oxygen gases.

02:40:15.000 In partnership with Simon's Energy, Porsche simultaneously captures the carbon dioxide directly from the air and combines it with the hydrogen produced to synthesize methanol.

02:40:25.000 The resulting synthetic methanol can then be used in Exxon Mobil's methanol-to-gasoline process.

02:40:32.000 The end result is that the fuel obtained meets the same high standards followed by all gasoline types currently.

02:40:39.000 Here with ecological fuel, we're far from the conventional process for the extraction and transformation of oil into gasoline!

02:40:47.000 Again.

02:40:47.000 But does this change the output?

02:40:50.000 It seems like they're saying it changes, that it's the same.

02:40:53.000 Oh, okay.

02:40:54.000 85% reduction of CO2 emissions.

02:40:57.000 Hmm.

02:40:58.000 Since good news never comes along, Porsche is planning to use the renewable sources of electricity for The electrolysis.

02:41:11.000 Okay.

02:41:12.000 Well, it seems like this is their push to keep combustion engines because that's the number one problem that car enthusiasts have.

02:41:22.000 There's two problems that they have right now with electric cars.

02:41:24.000 One of them is resale.

02:41:25.000 People do not want to use electric cars.

02:41:28.000 It's super hard to sell them.

02:41:29.000 Interesting.

02:41:30.000 And they lose an enormous amount of their value.

02:41:32.000 Like, I think if you buy one of those Porsche Taycans, those beautiful Porsche electric cars they make, In like two years, it's like 50% drop in what it's worth.

02:41:42.000 Why?

02:41:43.000 Are there maintenance issues with them?

02:41:45.000 People don't want used electric cars because they know the batteries degrade.

02:41:49.000 And replacing the batteries is a nightmare right now.

02:41:51.000 It's like they're tweeners.

02:41:53.000 The tech is amazing.

02:41:55.000 Driving them is incredible.

02:41:57.000 It's instantaneous acceleration.

02:41:59.000 They're amazing.

02:42:00.000 The Porsche one is fantastic.

02:42:02.000 Same as the Model S. The driving them makes other cars feel so stupid.

02:42:07.000 But the problem is reselling them.

02:42:09.000 You know, like people, you lose a lot of value in it.

02:42:11.000 As opposed to like, if you buy something, you know, like a BMW.

02:42:18.000 Like say you buy a BMW M3 and then you want to get rid of it in two years.

02:42:21.000 It doesn't lose much value.

02:42:22.000 It's still a really valuable car that people want.

02:42:25.000 Because it probably will behave the exact same way as the day you drove it off the lot.

02:42:29.000 But you can get it now for cheaper.

02:42:31.000 A little cheaper.

02:42:32.000 But not a lot cheaper.

02:42:33.000 But not with these e-cars.

02:42:34.000 Which is kind of crazy.

02:42:36.000 A buddy of mine's kid got an Audi, like this sick Audi.

02:42:39.000 I think it's called the e-tron.

02:42:41.000 He got it for like $60,000.

02:42:43.000 It was like a $120,000 car a couple years ago.

02:42:46.000 Yeah, so that's an issue.

02:42:48.000 But how long are the batteries supposed to last?

02:42:51.000 That's a good question.

02:42:52.000 You know, they slowly degrade over time.

02:42:56.000 And I don't think there's anything you can do to stop that.

02:42:58.000 I think that's just...

02:43:01.000 Yeah.

02:43:02.000 Well, your iPhone's even worse because it's kind of engineered to do that once they move up the operating system and bring in the new phones.

02:43:10.000 I'm holding out.

02:43:10.000 I need to replace mine now.

02:43:13.000 I know the thing is, if you don't have that blue bubble, people think you're poor or they think you're a dummy.

02:43:18.000 It does bother me when I get the green.

02:43:19.000 I know!

02:43:20.000 It really bothers me.

02:43:21.000 It's a PSYOP.

02:43:22.000 It really is a PSYOP.

02:43:24.000 They got us with that.

02:43:25.000 Especially if this technology that exists that's the advancement past Pegasus, it doesn't matter if your stuff's encrypted.

02:43:33.000 It really doesn't matter.

02:43:34.000 You know, it's like it seems like it doesn't matter.

02:43:36.000 If someone wants to read it, someone in a high position of power wants to read it.

02:43:40.000 And regular hackers, are they really, like, hacking into your phone?

02:43:42.000 Like, what's going on?

02:43:43.000 Yeah, I just assume.

02:43:44.000 I'm just not going to send a text message that I don't want the world to see.

02:43:47.000 Yes, that's the best assumption.

02:43:49.000 That's the best assumption.

02:43:51.000 Yeah, just assume that someone is definitely watching everything you do all the time.

02:43:55.000 At the very least.

02:43:57.000 The government's storing it somewhere in case they need to come after you, which is so weird that they're the people we pay.

02:44:04.000 It's like you're paying the people that are restricting your rights.

02:44:09.000 And you have to, because if you don't, they lock you up.

02:44:11.000 I wouldn't have guessed it, but for the pandemic.

02:44:15.000 Yeah.

02:44:16.000 So, I mean, I already asked you whether or not this was a good thing.

02:44:23.000 But do you feel like you're a different person?

02:44:27.000 At the end of this?

02:44:29.000 Yeah.

02:44:29.000 I mean, yes and no.

02:44:31.000 Yeah.

02:44:33.000 I was pretty shy.

02:44:36.000 I mean, growing up, I was very shy and really hated public speaking.

02:44:42.000 You would never guess.

02:44:44.000 For real.

02:44:45.000 You're so good at it.

02:44:46.000 It's crazy.

02:44:46.000 I still don't like it.

02:44:47.000 Like, for me to do that press conference, I must have been just on some sort of, like, So that makes me very happy.

02:45:04.000 And yeah, it's been a journey, but I'm hoping it gets a little easier now.

02:45:09.000 Yeah, I'm hoping it gets easier too.

02:45:11.000 But I think the more people hear your story, the more public outrage there'll be and the more people will just wake up and realize that not everybody has your best interests in mind.

02:45:23.000 Unfortunately.

02:45:24.000 And you've got to kind of hold people accountable.

02:45:26.000 Because if you don't, they're going to keep, they'll ratchet it up even further and further.

02:45:30.000 Well, thank you for continuing to talk about it.

02:45:32.000 And I know I've been watching all your podcasts recently, and you bring it up a lot.

02:45:35.000 So I think it's a festering wound for people, right?

02:45:40.000 And it really impacted everybody.

02:45:42.000 And we cannot sweep it under the rug.

02:45:44.000 and we need the new administration to step up and do something because the 33 of those are self-amplifying, which is just really terrifying.

02:46:00.000 What does that mean?

02:46:01.000 Meaning like they're designed to continue to replicate indefinitely.

02:46:06.000 I mean, already the ones we have, we don't have an off switch.

02:46:09.000 And this is like no off switch on steroids.

02:46:12.000 They have them in Japan and India and the EU already.

02:46:18.000 They've already given them to people?

02:46:20.000 I don't know.

02:46:21.000 I know they've passed.

02:46:25.000 The one that I think is in the pipeline in the U.S. is for the H1N1.

02:46:31.000 So it may not really even get used unless there's an issue.

02:46:34.000 But they're still playing around with it.

02:46:37.000 Self-replicating sounds terrifying.

02:46:39.000 Right.

02:46:41.000 Especially when you just highlighted all those other problems with DNA being introduced, lipid nanoparticles, getting past the cell wall.

02:46:50.000 All of it is just nuts.

02:46:52.000 Yeah.

02:46:53.000 It's hard to believe.

02:46:54.000 So we have to keep fighting.

02:46:56.000 Yeah, it's hard to believe it's true.

02:46:57.000 It really is.

02:46:59.000 It's hard to believe that all this that you just said is true.

02:47:02.000 And I think the thing that shocked me the most is the euthanizing people.

02:47:07.000 Yeah, that's unfortunate.

02:47:09.000 But, yeah, the hospital, what happened in the hospitals doesn't really get enough attention.

02:47:14.000 But, you know, people were, oh, this should give some people hope.

02:47:19.000 There are two open criminal investigations from county district attorneys in two different states looking into the hospitals, trying to indict them.

02:47:30.000 I mean, it hasn't happened yet.

02:47:31.000 It may not happen, but it gives me hope that at least these people were sent to the hospital and trapped, isolated, informed consent, thrown out the window.

02:47:43.000 Basically, given these protocols that were not effective, And treated like prisoners, and then they have no recourse.

02:47:53.000 And so many people die.

02:47:55.000 I mean, basically that situation with the patient who I fought to try to get ivermectin, very basic.

02:48:03.000 Why would the hospital not just give him a chance, right?

02:48:07.000 They basically had given up on him.

02:48:09.000 Why would you not let somebody try ivermectin other than just evil?

02:48:14.000 So there's hope that...

02:48:22.000 But, yeah, what happened in the hospital is really bad.

02:48:25.000 And the ventilators.

02:48:27.000 Yeah, the ventilators.

02:48:29.000 With no acknowledgement of why they stopped prescribing them to everybody.

02:48:33.000 I can see initially, because like I said, if somebody showed up at my office with a really low oxygen saturation before I knew any better, I would have freaked out and called the ambulance.

02:48:42.000 But once I realized that, once I got through that, I was kind of forced to.

02:48:48.000 Then I learned, yeah, you don't need to ventilate.

02:48:50.000 You don't look at a number to put somebody on a ventilator.

02:48:53.000 And unfortunately, the people in the hospital didn't learn.

02:48:58.000 They didn't experiment in that fashion.

02:49:00.000 They just went by this protocol and just automatically put people on ventilators.

02:49:05.000 They also didn't give people breathing treatments.

02:49:07.000 They thought that breathing treatments would spread the virus.

02:49:10.000 Breathing treatments were invaluable.

02:49:13.000 What are breathing treatments exactly?

02:49:15.000 So it's a little, it's not a big deal.

02:49:18.000 It's a little machine with a tube.

02:49:20.000 The tube connects to a mask.

02:49:22.000 The mask has a cup.

02:49:24.000 You put the medicine in the cup.

02:49:26.000 The pressurized air distributes the medicine as an aerosol that you inhale.

02:49:32.000 What kind of medicine?

02:49:33.000 Budesonite is what we use, which is a steroid.

02:49:36.000 I mean, I used to do breathing treatments in my office, and then I moved them to people's cars because there was so much, oh, you're spreading the virus if you do breathing treatments in your office.

02:49:48.000 But they weren't doing them in the hospital because they thought it would spread the virus.

02:49:52.000 But super effective.

02:49:54.000 I don't know if you've heard of Richard Bartlett.

02:49:56.000 He's a doctor in Texas.

02:49:57.000 He kind of got completely smeared for advocating for breathing treatments early on.

02:50:03.000 He got pursued by the Texas Medical Board, pursued him because he was claiming, they thought he was making false claims about budesonide breathing treatments, but they were invaluable.

02:50:15.000 I mean, all my high-risk patients, I've recommended they get those at very low risk of issues with it.

02:50:24.000 Just when I thought we were done, that's one of the worst ones.

02:50:30.000 Like, why would you stop that?

02:50:31.000 Why would you want to stop people from doing that?

02:50:34.000 Well, they claimed that you're spreading the virus.

02:50:39.000 I just think it's just such a hard truth to swallow is that they wanted to suppress as many treatments as possible.

02:50:46.000 That's a hard truth to swallow.

02:50:51.000 Partially out of ignorance, laziness, some of them out of evil.

02:50:58.000 Oh.

02:51:00.000 Thank you.

02:51:01.000 Thank you for exposing this and sticking your neck out and becoming the person you are today through all this craziness.

02:51:07.000 I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:51:09.000 Thanks for having me.

02:51:10.000 You have a lot of courage.

02:51:11.000 You really do.

02:51:12.000 I hope you get through this as a winner.

02:51:15.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 10, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

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