The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2337 - Oliver Anthony

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast.

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00:00:12.000 And we're up, my friend.

00:00:14.000 How are you?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 Long time to talk.

00:00:17.000 Yeah, brother.

00:00:17.000 Yeah.

00:00:18.000 How you doing?

00:00:19.000 You good?

00:00:19.000 Good.

00:00:20.000 That's good.

00:00:28.000 And I was just looking around like, yeah, I'll never see any of this again.

00:00:30.000 You're back quicker than you thought.

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 Bro, that new song is fire.

00:00:36.000 Thanks.

00:00:37.000 Woo! 0.99

00:00:38.000 I played that song about 20 times in the green room.

00:00:40.000 And the first time I played it, everybody just sat around and went, oh, shit.

00:00:45.000 It was so funny that...

00:00:50.000 Well, you know, I wasn't the one.

00:00:52.000 I guess it was Adam that sent it.

00:00:54.000 I don't even know how you got a hold of the song originally.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, Adam sent it to me originally.

00:00:58.000 Yeah, I sent it to him just to get his opinion of it or whatever.

00:01:04.000 And he's like, I got it.

00:01:05.000 He's like, do you mind if I share this around?

00:01:07.000 And I was like, yeah, go ahead.

00:01:08.000 Bro, the first time I heard it was in the green room.

00:01:11.000 And the green room has a killer sound system.

00:01:13.000 So we put it on the Bluetooth and cranked it.

00:01:16.000 All of us.

00:01:17.000 There's like 10 dudes in that room going, "Oh, shit! 1.00

00:01:20.000 Oh, shit!" Some of those lines are like, "Oh, shit!" Yeah.

00:01:25.000 Woo! 0.99

00:01:25.000 What makes that song different, I guess, than anything I've done or than a lot of music now is that we're... 0.99

00:01:33.000 We tried to, like, do it the way Leonard Skinner or somebody would back in the...

00:01:37.000 Where we're all just in the house and there's no, like...

00:01:42.000 And with this, we're just like in there doing it.

00:01:45.000 You know, try to keep it as real as possible.

00:01:48.000 Like, you know, there's no click tracks.

00:01:51.000 There's no real editing.

00:01:52.000 It's just kind of like we're all just in this house.

00:01:55.000 I mean, it's the worst timing to record, but that January 5th, 6th, 7th window was the only time that everybody could meet up.

00:02:04.000 You know, Billy Contreras on the fiddle and everybody, because he tours with Ricky Skaggs, and he's kind of all over the place.

00:02:09.000 So that was like our time to meet.

00:02:11.000 A couple days before we all went to West Virginia to record in my house up there, this terrible storm they were calling for.

00:02:19.000 It's like the worst one since the 90s, supposedly.

00:02:21.000 That's what Draven says.

00:02:22.000 So we got all this snow, all this ice.

00:02:27.000 So yeah, we used a side-by-side and a Jeep to haul everything up and down.

00:02:31.000 It was just all we could do to get up and down to the house.

00:02:34.000 And then right as soon as we get everything plugged in and ready to go, the power knocks out.

00:02:41.000 We were all just so discouraged.

00:02:43.000 Luckily, there's a Lowe's not terribly far away, and they had a Honda inverter generator that was safe to plug everything into, where the waves aren't going to mess everything up.

00:02:55.000 So yeah, we recorded the song on a generator.

00:02:59.000 So you have to worry about the waves of the generator, like the sound of the generator?

00:03:03.000 Is that what it is?

00:03:03.000 No, like the...

00:03:05.000 electrical pulses?

00:03:06.000 Yeah, like plugging all of that expensive equipment into just like a The voltage goes up and down, I guess.

00:03:14.000 I don't know.

00:03:14.000 That's all above my pay grade.

00:03:16.000 We had to find one that was safe to plug all that equipment into.

00:03:21.000 Maybe that's something in the song, too.

00:03:25.000 Maybe that you're trapped in a storm.

00:03:27.000 That's a scary-ass song, dude.

00:03:30.000 It's a scary...

00:03:32.000 I can't wait for the...

00:03:33.000 Yeah, see, I hadn't put a lot of new music out because...

00:03:35.000 Well, I think back to even when I was here last time and before we did the episode and all, walking around on the sidewalk out in front of the hotel with Draven and a couple other people arguing that I needed to just cash out from Richmond and roll and not make this into a long-term thing because I just...

00:03:54.000 Well, dude, I just don't...

00:03:56.000 Some people thrive in this environment, like everybody looking at them, But to me, it's just like, ugh.

00:04:05.000 And so, you know, after Richmond, I only had those two new songs.

00:04:08.000 I really just wanted to let everything kind of slow down.

00:04:11.000 And I could still maybe do five or ten shows a year and make a little bit.

00:04:15.000 But I wasn't trying to be like a superstar.

00:04:17.000 I didn't want everybody just to be.

00:04:19.000 I didn't want to be stuck in that spot I was when I was at Richmond where everybody's just, like, obsessing over stuff.

00:04:24.000 And so I kind of just tried to let it die.

00:04:26.000 And then, you know, it wouldn't.

00:04:28.000 it was like the streams kept continuing and people were still messaging me and emailing and the shows were still selling out.

00:04:34.000 And I just realized like, I don't know, you know, I believed everybody that said, And I would have been, when Richmond blew up, I would have been one of those guys who would have been like, oh, that stupid guy.

00:04:48.000 I would have been a hater, too.

00:04:50.000 So I was almost rooting for them.

00:04:52.000 Like, yeah!

00:04:53.000 You know, because you've got to think, man, the first check from Richmond was $800,000.

00:04:57.000 I could have lived a long time off of that money.

00:05:00.000 I don't need a whole lot of money.

00:05:04.000 A decade or more of work for me easily.

00:05:06.000 And so I was like, heck yeah, I'm good.

00:05:08.000 I'll just take it, you know.

00:05:11.000 Anyway, I say all that to say that now it's like, I'm going to at least just hit it good one more time.

00:05:18.000 We've got six songs recorded now to come after Scornful that are all like, I'm pretty proud of them.

00:05:23.000 They're good.

00:05:24.000 And so I'm going to put those out and then who knows after that.

00:05:27.000 Let me tell you what's going to happen.

00:05:29.000 You've got a relationship with those people now, man.

00:05:32.000 They love you.

00:05:33.000 Yeah.

00:05:35.000 It's just your mission in life.

00:05:38.000 You know, you just got handed a wild hand of cards.

00:05:41.000 And this is your deck of cards.

00:05:43.000 You know, your deck of cards is, or your hand of cards, is you put this song out.

00:05:49.000 This authentic song.

00:05:51.000 That's very simple.

00:05:52.000 In this time where nothing's simple.

00:05:54.000 In this time where everything's confusing and you don't know who's telling the truth.

00:06:00.000 The news is lying to you.

00:06:02.000 Everything is being funded.

00:06:04.000 Nothing's organic.

00:06:05.000 It's half the fucking traffic on social media is bots, at least.

00:06:11.000 Politicians are lying.

00:06:12.000 Everybody's confused.

00:06:14.000 People are simping for politicians.

00:06:15.000 They're getting paid to repeat talking points on television and on podcasts and all over social media.

00:06:22.000 So when someone comes out with something like that, it's just that dude telling you how he feels.

00:06:27.000 Yeah.

00:06:27.000 Real raw.

00:06:29.000 I remember we had that conversation on the phone, and I was like, "If you can do that, you can do that again." They don't need anybody else.

00:06:36.000 You don't need these motherfuckers who want you to cash out. 1.00

00:06:40.000 They're doing that because they think that you're gullible.

00:06:43.000 They think that you're naive in the ways of the entertainment and music business.

00:06:48.000 The first fucking live show you ever performed was a giant sold-out show at a state fair.

00:06:54.000 Do you know how crazy that is?

00:06:56.000 That's your first live show.

00:06:57.000 Well, that very first show was actually, it was even more amateur than that.

00:07:02.000 It was at a farm market.

00:07:04.000 It wasn't even, there weren't even any tickets.

00:07:07.000 It was just like, so it's crazy how it all, it just, it goes back to when I still believe just as much now as I did the last time I was here about it.

00:07:14.000 And I definitely won't.

00:07:15.000 I don't want to bug everybody too much with all my hokey-pokey religious stuff either. 0.98

00:07:18.000 I definitely want to read a little bit out before we go, but I do believe it was all too perfectly timed.

00:07:24.000 But I had actually picked that date out at the farm market before Richmond blew up.

00:07:28.000 That was going to be my first time playing live either way, that date.

00:07:32.000 It was like August the 12th, I think.

00:07:34.000 I had booked it back in July with that Morris Farm Market.

00:07:37.000 I was going to get $200 and go play for two and a half hours.

00:07:42.000 Seriously.

00:07:43.000 In that time, that's what happened.

00:07:45.000 So I already had that date picked, and yeah, it was just at a farm market, kind of near the beach in Outer Banks, and they say 12,000 people showed up, and that was the very first one.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, and I remember even then, I just expected everybody to sing Richmond, and that was going to be it, and it'd be cool, and I'd go back to work the next week, but it was like, even in that crowd at that very first show, all the other songs, they knew the words to, too.

00:08:09.000 And I was like, this is like something.

00:08:11.000 Wow.

00:08:13.000 The important thing, too, is that the important thing to take away from this, and I said this during Richmond, but it was like, take me out of it.

00:08:22.000 The fact that people can now choose what they want and push it to the top, even in a system that's rigged, where there is bots and there's mass marketing money going into songs and labels spend a million dollars on their own song to get it up the label, the fact that people can just decide they like something and just...

00:09:11.000 It's like reading your analytics so it can learn how to drive better.

00:09:14.000 That's the only reason why they let everybody use AI.

00:09:17.000 It's the user input that's what makes it.

00:09:21.000 For a very short period in time, it's like the stars are aligned.

00:09:26.000 While they're sucking all the humanity out of us to put into this AI, we also have full access to it.

00:09:33.000 Even in the music business, everything that the label used to hold exclusive control over, like the publicity and the marketing and the digital streaming service relationships, all that stuff is now just a la carte to anybody.

00:09:47.000 You don't need those big companies.

00:09:49.000 You can just go and hire a really good social media person, and you can work with a good music distributor without having to sign anything or give any of your rights up.

00:09:58.000 Right now the people have the power is what I mean for like a very short period of time, but this should be a This should just be a reminder of that, this song being able to go up into the iTunes charts, even with stuff with way bigger audiences, with all kinds of marketing reach.

00:10:11.000 The fact that this can just organically go into the iTunes charts like that, and people...

00:10:21.000 If we could just get organized, even for like two or three years, we could just fix everything.

00:10:27.000 The people really do have the power, at least right now, for a short window of time, but we really do.

00:10:32.000 But people have to understand that we are all in this together and that there's organizations that want to drive us apart.

00:10:39.000 And the way to work out our differences is having conversations and negotiations and figuring out how to work it out.

00:10:47.000 It's not lighting cop cars on fire.

00:10:52.000 But the spirit of those, like, not to defend any of that crap, but I just, that rebellious nature in us is important, too, though.

00:10:59.000 It just has to be directed.

00:11:02.000 Correctly.

00:11:02.000 You shouldn't be burning Waymos while holding a Mexican flag trying not to get sent back to Mexico.

00:11:08.000 I mean, you're confusing the fuck out of me, dog.

00:11:11.000 Like, who is your oppressor?

00:11:12.000 Is it the electric car?

00:11:14.000 Is it the country which, you know, you want to stay, but you're holding a flag of another country?

00:11:21.000 Like, why are you wearing a mask?

00:11:23.000 Are you proud of this?

00:11:24.000 Do you not want to get arrested?

00:11:26.000 What are we doing?

00:11:27.000 Are you scared of COVID?

00:11:28.000 Like, I want to know.

00:11:32.000 Well, it goes back to what you said about mass manipulation and also, like, we've all sort of lost our identity.

00:11:38.000 That's why politics has become so prevalent in the way people represent themselves to other people.

00:11:43.000 As our culture and our tradition and the knowledge of where our families and all of that stuff comes from, we're just little boats out in the big ocean and we're looking for somewhere to...

00:12:02.000 And politics, they make politics so easy to reach out and grab.

00:12:05.000 Just like in the same way that people just absorb themselves into sports.

00:12:09.000 Exactly.

00:12:09.000 You know, they're way out of shape, but they refer to their sports team as we.

00:12:14.000 That's Jamie.

00:12:14.000 Our defense did really good.

00:12:15.000 Jamie does that all the time.

00:12:16.000 We won.

00:12:17.000 He talks about a college.

00:12:18.000 Where I'm from.

00:12:19.000 Some college where he's from.

00:12:20.000 Well, that's maybe...

00:12:24.000 Maybe if he's from there, though, then it doesn't count.

00:12:26.000 I'm just fucking around.

00:12:27.000 I'm not a team sports guy, you know?

00:12:30.000 I'm a combat sports guy, and I would never say, we won.

00:12:33.000 Like, if Kamaru Usman beat somebody, I'd never say, we won.

00:12:37.000 You know, Kamaru would call me up.

00:12:38.000 What the fuck are you saying, man?

00:12:40.000 We.

00:12:40.000 You know what I did in camp?

00:12:42.000 You know how many rounds I sparred?

00:12:44.000 You know?

00:12:45.000 Yeah, all the punches you took from him.

00:12:47.000 It's so crazy, but if there's a group of guys, you can say, we.

00:12:50.000 But that's, I see that, like, I just see that becoming more and more prevalent where there's not like, I don't know.

00:12:58.000 It's sort of just like, it's kind of even to expand on the thought of it, it's even like the way that now we've all just sort of, we're all in these subcategories the way we would be if we were in prison.

00:13:09.000 We're all like, you know, like in the same way that when we use the word black and white to describe like...

00:13:19.000 It creates this maybe group identity that's a lot easier to control.

00:13:24.000 Oh, for sure.

00:13:25.000 And then it shifts over time.

00:13:27.000 My family wasn't white.

00:13:29.000 My family was Italian.

00:13:30.000 They were disparaged when they first came to America from Europe.

00:13:34.000 My grandfather used to tell me terrible stories of what happened to him when he was a boy living in America as an Italian.

00:13:39.000 They treated them the same way terribly racist people were treating people from Guatemala that sneak in here.

00:13:45.000 It's the same kind of thing.

00:13:46.000 Then after a while they sort of integrated and now I'm white.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, now you're just a white person.

00:13:52.000 I'm just a regular white.

00:13:53.000 But it's easy now in big public narrative and stuff to...

00:13:58.000 It's a lot easier to accuse you and 30 other different nationalities of people who are all very culturally different and unique and just call all of you white people and then But it happens with that with every ethnicity, every identity.

00:14:15.000 The goal is to put everyone in the world in one of three or four buckets and then hopefully figure out how to just put all of them into one bucket eventually.

00:14:23.000 It's so much easier to control two or three different types of people than it is 30 or 40 or 100 or 1,000.

00:14:30.000 Which is also, I think, why they never fix the problems that ail our inner cities.

00:14:35.000 They want to keep that conflict.

00:14:37.000 I really believe that.

00:14:39.000 Because if somebody wanted to have a better, stronger economy, the first thing you would do is you want more people in the workforce.

00:14:45.000 So you'd want less people that are disenfranchised, completely out of society, felons, all that stuff.

00:14:52.000 That doesn't do anything but cost the country money, right?

00:14:56.000 Unless you have private prisons.

00:14:58.000 Now, in private prisons, those people become a business.

00:15:01.000 And then that business contributes to the escalation of laws.

00:15:05.000 And they want to make sure the laws stay in place because that way their business is always full.

00:15:10.000 They have plenty of customers.

00:15:11.000 Their customers are human beings that they turn into batteries to generate money.

00:15:16.000 That's what it is.

00:15:17.000 It's like those people, every person they have in there, they get more money, which is wild.

00:15:22.000 It's wild that we allow that.

00:15:24.000 But then it's also like keeping a certain amount of crime in certain areas ensures that you're always going to have debates over law enforcement.

00:15:33.000 You're always going to have conversations over disenfranchised.

00:15:36.000 We need DEI.

00:15:37.000 We need this.

00:15:39.000 We need quotas.

00:15:40.000 We need to hire more people of this or of that, ignoring the fact that a lot of these things, especially with universities, are the most racist, especially towards Asians.

00:15:52.000 They're racist as fuck towards Asians.

00:15:54.000 There's lawsuits about it.

00:15:56.000 Harvard!

00:15:56.000 Is that still going on, the Harvard lawsuit?

00:16:00.000 Where they specifically made their application process, like the whole acceptance process, more difficult for Asians because they were kicking too much ass. 1.00

00:16:09.000 They had too many Asian people that were willing to fucking work their ass off, study 12 hours a day, get straight A's. 1.00

00:16:16.000 They're like, man, there's too many of these folks.

00:16:18.000 We've got to make it tougher.

00:16:19.000 What did they do to make it more difficult specifically?

00:16:22.000 They attached a bunch of things.

00:16:23.000 I believe the argument is they attached a bunch of things like social stuff.

00:16:28.000 Like, how much do you engage in, you know, activism?

00:16:33.000 How often are you involved in, you know, social activities on campus?

00:16:38.000 You know, what other things are you doing other than just pure academic work?

00:16:43.000 They're like trying to slow them down.

00:16:45.000 They're literally trying to slow them down.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, that's another great example, too.

00:16:52.000 Like even just that they can blanket Asian like that as such a... 1.00

00:16:59.000 It's Indian.

00:17:01.000 It's Chinese.

00:17:01.000 There's a lot of...

00:17:04.000 People that come from a hard place are willing to work hard.

00:17:06.000 That's the difference.

00:17:07.000 And the problem with meritocracy is that some motherfuckers will go for it. 1.00

00:17:12.000 And if you get a whole country of people going for it, that gets scary for the people that just want to take naps.

00:17:16.000 It's the same psychology that goes in, like in...

00:17:25.000 But if you look at like, even if you look at Bramwell, West Virginia and their recent political history, like the last mayor they had, she embezzled money from the town. 0.95

00:17:34.000 Whoopsies.

00:17:35.000 You know, and this is in a very small tent.

00:17:37.000 So government corruption exists like...

00:17:41.000 And it almost is like maybe in those big cities.

00:17:44.000 I understand definitely that I think things are intentionally neglected, like to create chaos and to create this, like you said, this need for more resources and more.

00:17:53.000 But it's also just that maybe a lot of those people that are in positions are just very spineless and self-centered and like they don't even care that people are dying in their streets.

00:18:00.000 They're worried about the money that can be made and the ego and the power of it.

00:18:04.000 It goes back to kind of what I said in that ARC speech about lack of leadership.

00:18:08.000 I just see that like, if we had people in big cities or in small Appalachian towns that had like a real backbone to them and like...

00:18:24.000 Even in local and state government.

00:18:26.000 The right people don't run.

00:18:28.000 They don't want that job, man.

00:18:29.000 They don't want that smoke.

00:18:30.000 They don't want people attacking them.

00:18:31.000 They don't want any of it.

00:18:32.000 The right people are the people that don't want to be president.

00:18:35.000 It's almost like they've made these positions only appealing to people who are, like, sort of criminals.

00:18:41.000 Sociopaths are criminals, yeah. 0.82

00:18:42.000 For real?

00:18:43.000 Like, who the fuck wants to run everything?

00:18:45.000 Everything.

00:18:45.000 You gotta be crazy.

00:18:47.000 I don't even like running my whole house.

00:18:49.000 I don't like having employees.

00:18:50.000 It's too much responsibility.

00:18:52.000 What do you think would happen if just some normal people ran the country, though?

00:18:55.000 like just some average shows.

00:18:56.000 Like what if me and you just went and ran the, We'd get killed.

00:19:01.000 We'd get put in a fucking convertible, roll through Dallas.

00:19:04.000 They would definitely be able to hit my big head, that's for sure.

00:19:06.000 My head's not that little, either.

00:19:07.000 You want a cigar?

00:19:09.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:19:10.000 Get on that big dog. 0.65

00:19:11.000 Well, I smoked a cigar with a guy one time that...

00:19:17.000 This is the second cigar you've ever seen?

00:19:18.000 It ended up all on the internet.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 This is your second cigar ever?

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 I'll keep it running for a minute.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, just pull on it.

00:19:26.000 The real cigar guys, they want you to do that first.

00:19:29.000 You kind of bake the outside.

00:19:31.000 Ah, there we go.

00:19:32.000 Like I'm in high school and it's like a fat joint.

00:19:35.000 Imagine a joint like this.

00:19:37.000 I guarantee you there's some people out there, some rappers rolling blunts this thick.

00:19:43.000 You got to do it this way or they get mad at you.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, this is really good.

00:19:48.000 Yeah.

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00:21:09.000 Well, hey, I did smoke.

00:21:11.000 I smoked half a Black and Mild with Chris Davison from the Davison Brothers while we were on tour one time, so I guess that counts as a cigar.

00:21:18.000 Kind of a cigar.

00:21:21.000 Swisher Sweets, they kind of count as cigars.

00:21:24.000 Talking about Swisher Sweets, I have a friend of mine that I ride side-by-sides with a lot.

00:21:29.000 Named Jeremy, and that's all he smokes are Swisher Sweets.

00:21:31.000 And that's like, anytime I see him, I'm like, yo, what's up, Swisher Sweet?

00:21:35.000 So I ended up hitting him up on Instagram, Swisher Sweet.

00:21:38.000 And I said, hey, I got a friend of mine.

00:21:40.000 I was like, will you just send him some merch?

00:21:42.000 And they totally did.

00:21:43.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:21:44.000 He got like all these shirts and hats and stuff.

00:21:46.000 He's the only guy I know that smokes them, but he's like...

00:21:49.000 He was in the Marines and stuff, and he's out now and just rides a boat around all day.

00:21:54.000 He lives his dream life now and smokes Swisher Sweets.

00:21:57.000 I wonder what percentage of Swisher Sweets gets sliced open for blunts. 1.00

00:22:01.000 It's got to be 50, right?

00:22:04.000 Jamie, higher.

00:22:06.000 60%?

00:22:07.000 75%?

00:22:09.000 Jeremy's the only guy I know who really smokes them without putting weed in them or anything.

00:22:13.000 He just likes them?

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 Does he inhale them?

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 Bro, Ron White does that with them little tiny Those little tiny cigars.

00:22:23.000 What are those things called again, Jamie?

00:22:24.000 We have a bunch of them.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, I don't know, like full of cigarillos or something.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, he brought me a case of them.

00:22:29.000 Did I ever tell you my Ron White story?

00:22:31.000 No, I don't think so.

00:22:32.000 Did you?

00:22:33.000 I'm going to mess it all up, but that's okay, because that's what this is for, is to mess stuff up.

00:22:37.000 So, it was the night we recorded...

00:22:42.000 This is crazy.

00:22:44.000 A lot of tobacco.

00:22:45.000 The day that we recorded the podcast that night is when we went to the mothership for the first time because Tom Segura invited me.

00:22:52.000 Right.

00:22:53.000 So we're sitting in there in the green room.

00:22:55.000 Ron White's there and Tom and a bunch of people.

00:22:58.000 William Montgomery.

00:23:00.000 And I got to meet all these really cool people that night.

00:23:01.000 And so Tom was like, man, you ought to get up at the end of our set and do a couple songs.

00:23:06.000 And we only had one guitar, and I really wanted my guitar, Joey, you know, the guy from, he's in the Scornful video, Joey Davis.

00:23:12.000 I wanted him to get up there and get to do it with me.

00:23:14.000 And Ron's like, well, I got a guitar in my house.

00:23:17.000 And, dude, he's supposed to be getting on stage to do a set in, like, less than an hour, you know, 45 minutes.

00:23:24.000 So him and Joey get in his car, and they run every red light from his house to the back and go and get Ron White's guitar, and that's what we used for our second.

00:23:33.000 He lives 15 minutes away.

00:23:34.000 That was such a risky move.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, like he said, they flew there and back.

00:23:38.000 So you guys performed on stage at the Mothership.

00:23:40.000 That was the first time a musical act had ever performed there.

00:23:44.000 Supposedly, yeah.

00:23:45.000 100%.

00:23:45.000 Except for back when it was a musical venue.

00:23:49.000 I mean, Steve Ray Vaughn performed.

00:23:50.000 You saw the photos that we have in the tunnel.

00:23:52.000 Steve Ray Vaughn performing there.

00:23:54.000 I think it was 83 he was there.

00:23:56.000 I think even by the end of this weekend, we will be able to really have a good blueprint for sound in there again.

00:24:03.000 It's a small room, but I think you could really have an immersive listening space for people to like.

00:24:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:14.000 No, I think it would be a great spot to do music.

00:24:20.000 You know, we'd only do it for someone like you for fun.

00:24:22.000 It could be a lot.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, it could be like every once in a while.

00:24:24.000 Like, I love the idea of it being like a live recorded thing.

00:24:27.000 Because my favorite music to listen to is the live version of almost anything anyway.

00:24:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:33.000 Of people.

00:24:33.000 And it would be cool to go back.

00:24:35.000 I mean, our plan with this, we're going to record.

00:24:37.000 We'll record Friday and Saturday night.

00:24:39.000 And my plan is to put out some kind of mothership live at the mothership and have some of the money go back to the Humane Society.

00:24:47.000 That's awesome.

00:24:48.000 That's beautiful.

00:24:49.000 We're going to record it and just see what happens.

00:24:51.000 But even if we just get a couple songs out of it or something and put them out.

00:24:55.000 Oh, that's badass.

00:24:56.000 But yeah, I really like the Austin Humane Society.

00:24:58.000 I was looking at all their...

00:25:03.000 But I think it's cool getting to do something with them.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, I can't go to those places.

00:25:09.000 I would have a hundred dogs.

00:25:10.000 They got this one dog on their website.

00:25:12.000 I should have sent it to you, but I don't know.

00:25:14.000 Maybe Jamie can find it.

00:25:16.000 There's this one older dog.

00:25:17.000 I think he's a Chihuahua or something, but he's got this real funny name like Buddy or Poppy or something.

00:25:22.000 He doesn't have any teeth.

00:25:23.000 His tongue's hanging out.

00:25:25.000 I could just take him home with me.

00:25:27.000 Buddy or something.

00:25:28.000 I've had a bunch of rescue dogs in my life.

00:25:32.000 There's a relationship you have with them that's different than any other dog.

00:25:38.000 They love you so much.

00:25:40.000 They're so happy you rescued them.

00:25:42.000 They know that you rescued them.

00:25:44.000 Whereas my dog, Marshall, he has no idea.

00:25:46.000 He's living the best life.

00:25:48.000 He's just like, everyone's my friend.

00:25:50.000 He's never fucking growled at a person in his life.

00:25:54.000 He's nothing but sweet.

00:25:55.000 Think about how lucky you got to be to be Joe Rogan's dog.

00:25:57.000 That's pretty cool.

00:25:58.000 What's the odds of that?

00:25:59.000 How lucky am I to have a dog like him?

00:26:01.000 He's the best dog ever.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:26:04.000 He's like a little human.

00:26:05.000 He's like a human.

00:26:06.000 Like, we have conversations.

00:26:07.000 Like, he knows, like, not just words.

00:26:10.000 He knows, like, when I'm saying something, like, what to do.

00:26:14.000 Like, me and that dog are, like, locked in.

00:26:17.000 It's wild.

00:26:18.000 He's the best.

00:26:19.000 He's just all love.

00:26:21.000 Like, for everybody that comes over.

00:26:23.000 Like, when people come over the studio and he's here, he just does a circle.

00:26:26.000 He's like, I'm your friend!

00:26:28.000 And then it licks you, I'm your friend!

00:26:30.000 And he just goes around.

00:26:32.000 And he sees you, the first thing he does is flop on his back, like, I know you want to rub my belly.

00:26:36.000 Come on! 0.61

00:26:37.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 He's just so used to being just loved on.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, I just got a, well, I had the three, I had three dogs and then...

00:26:49.000 He got bone cancer and he was gone within like a month or month and a half.

00:26:53.000 You know, it's a really important thing that we should probably tell people about right now when we're talking about cancer.

00:26:57.000 Stop feeding your dog processed food.

00:26:59.000 I know it's expensive, but if you can get it, get your dog real food.

00:27:04.000 There's companies like Farmers Dog, that's what you use, right?

00:27:09.000 Farmers Dog, and they'll send you like real food. 0.95

00:27:13.000 And you feed your dog real food.

00:27:15.000 It's like real human-grade meat and vegetables.

00:27:18.000 Your dog will be way better off, just like you would be way better off.

00:27:22.000 Anything that can sit on a shelf for six months and not rot is not good for you.

00:27:28.000 It just sustains them, you know?

00:27:30.000 And then, you know, obviously dogs are running around Drinking out of puddles and you know what fucking toxins they're exposed to.

00:27:38.000 Might need a lot of like horse shit and stuff too.

00:27:40.000 They're obsessed with it.

00:27:41.000 But you're going to get a healthier dog if you feed them real food.

00:27:45.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:27:45.000 I'm not saying it's a cure to all ills but man it fixed my dog quick.

00:27:49.000 Marshall was starting to get a little chubby and we're trying to lessen his food but he was always hungry and I was like this sucks.

00:27:55.000 And then we found out the company that I'm using is Maeve.

00:27:59.000 M-A-E-V. 1.00

00:28:00.000 And they sell you frozen food and he eats it frozen.

00:28:03.000 It's just meat and vegetables, and he fucking loves it.

00:28:07.000 And he gobbles it up, and he lost the body weight, his coat looked better, he had way more energy.

00:28:13.000 I'm like, of course, he's eating real food.

00:28:15.000 Instead of eating some processed bullshit that's filled with preservatives, he could sit on a fucking shelf for it.

00:28:22.000 Like, if you only ate protein bars all day long, and nothing but protein bars, he'd probably get sick.

00:28:28.000 How was that thing just sitting there?

00:28:30.000 Like, how can you just live off of that?

00:28:33.000 Plus, you gotta get tired eating the same thing every day.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, that too.

00:28:37.000 Yeah.

00:28:38.000 Like, at this point, I mean, I feel like for your dog, he might as well live a pretty cool life.

00:28:42.000 He's got, you know, he's Joe Rogan's dog.

00:28:44.000 He can't just be eating regular dog food anyway.

00:28:47.000 People don't know, though.

00:28:48.000 They think dog food is what you give dogs.

00:28:50.000 That's the problem.

00:28:51.000 They need to understand.

00:28:53.000 Dogs are just like any other animal, like human beings.

00:28:57.000 What they eat has a giant effect on their overall physical health.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:03.000 I've been feeding mine eggs.

00:29:04.000 We've got a bunch of laying birds now and meat birds and stuff.

00:29:07.000 Oh, that's nice.

00:29:08.000 They just eat raw eggs.

00:29:09.000 How long do your meat birds live before you whack them?

00:29:16.000 So I've got some now that are about two weeks old and they'll be gone before it starts to cool off.

00:29:23.000 It's quick.

00:29:25.000 I want to say like two and a half months with them.

00:29:28.000 They get to the point where they get so fat they actually can't hold themselves up anymore.

00:29:32.000 That is so crazy.

00:29:33.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 Because I don't have meat birds.

00:29:35.000 I have egg laying hens and these little ladies just run around all day long. 1.00

00:29:39.000 You just let your run loose?

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 Yeah, I do the chicken tractors, but then I will let them out during the day some, too, just so they can run around.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, it's good for them.

00:29:49.000 It makes the eggs healthier.

00:29:51.000 They're hilarious to watch, too.

00:29:52.000 They're just great.

00:29:53.000 My friend who runs, he has meat ones, and he said he waits until their legs break.

00:30:00.000 And I go, what?

00:30:01.000 He goes, they get so big that their legs break, and that's when you kill them.

00:30:04.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, what did we do to these fucking chickens?

00:30:08.000 It's kind of sick, yeah.

00:30:09.000 It is totally sick, because I'm seeing my chickens that are years old just running around.

00:30:15.000 And these fucking chickens get to be two months old, and their legs break from the weight of their bodies. 0.97

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, it's kind of depressing, but that's why, at least in their short life, I try to let them get us some sunshine and run around and read stories to them at night and all that, and that way it's not so bad.

00:30:31.000 That way it doesn't feel like I'm just a horrible dictator, like a chicken dictator or something.

00:30:35.000 The amount of chickens that get whacked in this country every year is crazy.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, and honestly, raising birds in your yard is so much better than buying them from Tyson or something like that.

00:30:45.000 Oh, so that's a regular chicken on the left from 1957, and then by the time 1978 rolled around, we got them pretty fat.

00:30:53.000 It kind of looks like, it just looks kind of like what happened with all of us from back then until now.

00:30:59.000 And, you know, probably no coincidence.

00:31:03.000 We're all eating terrible food, too.

00:31:04.000 But I think there's something going on with their genetics, too.

00:31:07.000 I think they, look at that thing.

00:31:09.000 That's crazy.

00:31:09.000 Look at the size of that butterball.

00:31:11.000 Yeah, that thing.

00:31:11.000 That looks like a fucking soccer ball.

00:31:14.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:31:15.000 That's nuts.

00:31:16.000 That's a chicken? 0.64

00:31:17.000 That is fucking insane.

00:31:18.000 Look at that one sitting there in a ball.

00:31:20.000 Look at that one that's in a ball.

00:31:22.000 Look at that.

00:31:22.000 That is bananas.

00:31:25.000 Wow.

00:31:25.000 Yeah, they're still my favorite.

00:31:26.000 I've tried, so far I've tried, I do guinea birds, turkeys, and we've tried a few different types of chickens and stuff.

00:31:34.000 Turkey's overrated. 0.74

00:31:36.000 Turkey's good.

00:31:37.000 They're funny.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, to eat, they're probably overrated, but they're really funny in person.

00:31:40.000 They're good to eat if you eat them right after you get them out of the oven.

00:31:44.000 Or if it's gonna be on a sandwich with a bunch of other shit on it.

00:31:47.000 Otherwise, they're dry and boring.

00:31:48.000 It's a weird bird.

00:31:50.000 It's a bird that, like, somehow or another, it became our holiday bird.

00:31:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:55.000 It's very strange.

00:31:57.000 They make this real guttural noise.

00:31:58.000 It's like a vibration more than a noise, but the males, they have this crazy, I don't even know how to describe it, but it's a noise they make internally that you can hear.

00:32:09.000 Yeah.

00:32:10.000 It sounds like, It sounds like when you're getting sucked up in a UFO.

00:32:14.000 It's just crazy noise like that, yeah.

00:32:16.000 Oh, really?

00:32:17.000 But they're like dogs to me.

00:32:19.000 I've got a couple, Timmy and Tommy, and they run around the yard.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, well, I did.

00:32:24.000 Timmy's in the freezer, but we still got Tommy.

00:32:29.000 Tommy's still your friend.

00:32:33.000 Breakthrough on the birds domesticated in a gene.

00:32:36.000 Ah, there it is.

00:32:37.000 That played a key role came in 2010 with a study of the genomes of eight different populations of present-day chickens from around the world.

00:32:44.000 Researchers found they all carry two copies of one version of a gene called the thyroid-stimulating hormone receptor, which apparently set in motion changes that plumped up the birds.

00:32:54.000 This dominant version of the gene, or allele, had swept through all the domesticated chickens regardless of whether they were born.

00:33:01.000 Broilers, rather, bred for size, or strains bred for laying many eggs, although the precise function of the gene is not known.

00:33:08.000 It regulates metabolism, reproduction, so probably stimulated chickens to lay more eggs year-round.

00:33:14.000 It's the big-ass chickens that lay more eggs. 1.00

00:33:16.000 Let's start off from a decree from a pope a thousand years ago.

00:33:20.000 Whoa.

00:33:21.000 They didn't want to ban on four-legged animals.

00:33:24.000 What?

00:33:25.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 They got tough and banned meat from four-legged animals on fasts.

00:33:30.000 Oh, on fasts.

00:33:32.000 Which numbered 130 days out of the year.

00:33:34.000 Damn.

00:33:35.000 130 fasts?

00:33:36.000 What were they doing back then?

00:33:41.000 That's like the Easter fast.

00:33:43.000 You probably had to do it again around Christmas.

00:33:45.000 But when they say fast, but you could eat chicken?

00:33:48.000 Yeah.

00:33:48.000 Well, that's not a fast.

00:33:49.000 Or fish.

00:33:50.000 That's bullshit.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, the Lent thing when I was a kid.

00:33:53.000 I remember that.

00:33:55.000 I don't know.

00:33:56.000 Fish on Friday.

00:33:57.000 I don't think that the Catholic Church...

00:34:06.000 Forever.

00:34:06.000 I'm sure there's some—yeah, forever.

00:34:09.000 I'm sure there's some reasonable explanation.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, they definitely have it dialed in.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, it's not like churches a thousand years ago would ever do anything that didn't make a lot of sense.

00:34:17.000 Well, I think back then, when did they stop being allowed to have wives and shit? 0.78

00:34:23.000 When did that happen?

00:34:24.000 Like, when did the Catholic Church put a ban—like, when did they make it so that everybody had to be celibate?

00:34:30.000 Boy, what a stupid idea that was.

00:34:32.000 You want to get people completely disconnected from society and sexually, insanely repressed?

00:34:39.000 Just, you give them saltpeter and tell them they can't beat off.

00:34:43.000 It became canon law in the 11th century, later reinforced at the Council of Trent in 1545.

00:34:49.000 So I bet it sounds like there's 300, 400 years of a little slippery times.

00:34:53.000 What do you think?

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00:35:50.000 It's all control, obviously, but it's crazy to think about all the things that, you know, the church, at one point in time, the church was almost like the power structure.

00:35:59.000 They were like the government for a long time.

00:36:02.000 for Rome.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 I mean, they had immense power.

00:36:06.000 The Pope would decide whether or not armies were going to be set places.

00:36:11.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 It's nuts.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:13.000 And if you look at the Vatican, you go, oh, this is what you guys did.

00:36:16.000 You fucking stole everybody's art.

00:36:17.000 They have so much art.

00:36:19.000 Like, how'd you get this?

00:36:20.000 Yeah, how convenient.

00:36:21.000 How did you get billions of dollars in art?

00:36:24.000 I mean, it's kind of cool.

00:36:25.000 I love the fact that it's there and you can visit it.

00:36:27.000 And you should visit it if you've never been to the Vatican.

00:36:30.000 It's fucking bananas.

00:36:32.000 In a way, it's like there's always been somebody trying to use a moral high ground to control other people.

00:36:36.000 Like now it's the opposite, right?

00:36:38.000 It's like now it's people, 0.99

00:37:10.000 Like I was talking, you know, most of the people on my team, I say most, there's only really four of us now, like in my music business, but two of them are from Ireland.

00:37:18.000 And my tour manager was telling me about like growing up in Dublin when he was younger, I guess like back in the 70s or 80s and the like just the stigma within the church and all the like.

00:37:38.000 And it's really crazy when you read into all that, like how much corruption existed back then.

00:37:45.000 Now it's easy to point to corruption in government and in society and everything else, but it's not like the church is more dead now than it is corrupt, I'd say.

00:37:53.000 But back then it was just like this power-hungry thing.

00:37:55.000 And that, to me, that's not real church.

00:37:57.000 That's just, like I said, that's just government or a regime using church as a, you know, For sure. 0.68

00:38:08.000 I mean, that's just a function of human beings when they get in power.

00:38:12.000 Human beings, when they get in power, they want more power.

00:38:14.000 Like, if you're in the automobile business, and you're making cars, you want to make more cars.

00:38:21.000 You want to make more cars.

00:38:22.000 You want to sell more cars.

00:38:23.000 You've got to sell more cars.

00:38:24.000 If I'm in the power business, I want more power.

00:38:26.000 I don't want this amount of power.

00:38:27.000 I want more power.

00:38:28.000 These people trying to take my power away?

00:38:29.000 I want extra power.

00:38:30.000 The best way to keep them from taking my power away is to get more power and get it so that they can never take my power away.

00:38:35.000 You know, lock it down.

00:38:37.000 Make the elections bullshit.

00:38:38.000 You know, make it like Russia. 0.93

00:38:39.000 Hey, Putin won again.

00:38:40.000 Everybody clap.

00:38:41.000 Have you seen that video that went around recently of, I think it was in Romania, but there was like an overthrow that happened in a day.

00:38:49.000 It was from back in the 80s.

00:38:51.000 I think it was like a...

00:38:57.000 I don't know.

00:38:58.000 I'm not on the internet a whole lot anymore, thankfully.

00:39:01.000 Thankfully.

00:39:01.000 But I remember watching a bit of this video where this is like a Romanian dictator who had been in power for like 20 years and had done a lot of oppressive stuff, but overall was like maintaining power.

00:39:12.000 And then at some point, a police officer or a military official or something shot, I think like a preacher or a pope or something.

00:39:20.000 And the dictator dude took the side of the police and it sort of was like a cultural shift.

00:39:25.000 And basically like he went to give this big speech and all these people showed up and they had applause playing over loudspeakers.

00:39:31.000 But really the crowd was there to like, I think it was Romania, I believe.

00:39:43.000 But it was so quick.

00:39:45.000 It was like he went from being in this position of power and, like, ruling over everything and having just extreme wealth and the whole military at his disposal to everyone turning on him.

00:39:54.000 And he was publicly executed, I think, the day after that speech.

00:39:58.000 But that was just something I watched.

00:40:00.000 Here we go, yeah.

00:40:01.000 Executing a dictator.

00:40:02.000 Open wounds of Romania's Christmas revolution.

00:40:05.000 Whoa, they did it on Christmas.

00:40:06.000 Damn.

00:40:08.000 Damn.

00:40:10.000 Wow.

00:40:11.000 And there's a video on this?

00:40:13.000 Yeah, there's a video on YouTube that somebody sent me that I was watching through.

00:40:17.000 It just showed, though, going back to if enough people have their minds made the same way, they can just pretty much do anything.

00:40:25.000 But I believe it was within a two-day period that all this happened.

00:40:30.000 He went from being in power to being publicly executed.

00:40:33.000 And they held up elections afterwards.

00:40:36.000 And I don't know all the history of it.

00:40:38.000 I know very little, but it's just something that seemed really interesting to me that I was never taught this in school or anything.

00:40:43.000 I know that.

00:40:43.000 But, of course, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention while I was there either, so maybe I did get taught.

00:40:48.000 I don't know.

00:40:48.000 There's been so much war in that part of the world, man, for so long.

00:40:52.000 For so long.

00:40:53.000 It's like baked into the ground.

00:40:56.000 The crazy shit that's going on in Ukraine right now, have you seen that they're flying these drones that you can't jam?

00:41:02.000 And the way they are, they have like miles of fiber optic cable attached to them?

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 This is so crazy.

00:41:09.000 They're like fishing.

00:41:10.000 They're like fishing with a drone.

00:41:11.000 And now birds are making like nests of this fiber optic stuff.

00:41:16.000 They're picking it up like, oh, this is perfect.

00:41:17.000 Make a little nest with this shit. 0.61

00:41:19.000 Did you see how they got those drones in for the attack on the planes recently?

00:41:23.000 What did they do?

00:41:24.000 They drove them in in trucks, right?

00:41:26.000 Yeah, they were like, I don't know what buried is the right word, but they were like secretly in the trucks and then like they all came out at once or something.

00:41:33.000 Yeah.

00:41:34.000 Like the roofs opened up over these like log cabins or something.

00:41:36.000 They all came out and they all went out and attacked all the flames.

00:41:39.000 Roofs and sheds.

00:41:39.000 They were sheds loaded on the trucks.

00:41:41.000 Well, pretty fucking ingenious, man.

00:41:44.000 And they said it took like a year and a half to come up with this plan.

00:41:48.000 This will change war forever, though, I guess.

00:41:51.000 I mean, artificial intelligence will, too.

00:41:53.000 I'm reading a book about it right now, a fiction book, one of the Gray Man books, that is specifically about using autonomous weapons.

00:42:05.000 It's The Chaos Agent by Mark Graney.

00:42:11.000 It's about a guy who's this billionaire who develops this autonomous weapons program.

00:42:18.000 But they're doing that.

00:42:20.000 They're doing that right now.

00:42:21.000 And we don't know how advanced China stuff is.

00:42:24.000 But we know their drones are insanely advanced.

00:42:27.000 Their drone shows that they put on, they just put on another one recently, the largest ever drone show.

00:42:34.000 And you watch these coordinated things in the sky that are creating images.

00:42:39.000 That 100% could be a weapon.

00:42:41.000 You can get that thing to be so precise.

00:42:44.000 They coordinate together.

00:42:45.000 All you have to do is put a suicide drone.

00:42:49.000 Look at this thing.

00:42:50.000 Look at these things, bro.

00:42:51.000 These are drones.

00:42:53.000 How nuts is this?

00:42:55.000 I mean, that is fucking bananas.

00:42:57.000 Look at that.

00:43:01.000 I mean, it's crazy.

00:43:02.000 I've heard, you know, this is all just generalization stuff, but I've definitely, I've heard people make pretty compelling arguments about like, you know, all these sort of like prophetic visions of the end of times, all the stuff in the sky and all the imagery and all that, that a lot of that could be.

00:43:17.000 I don't know.

00:43:18.000 I see a time coming very soon where...

00:43:27.000 You see they've got Tesla bots and other variants of that that are able to catch tennis balls and organize groceries.

00:43:33.000 These things are all fed off of artificial intelligence, which knows everything about all of us collectively.

00:43:37.000 It sees where we go and what we do and what we say and what we shop for and what we look for and how we drive.

00:43:42.000 It's almost like this very godlike thing.

00:43:45.000 And I don't think that it even matters whose AI it is, if it's China or ours or some private company.

00:43:50.000 I think it's like at some point...

00:43:52.000 It won't even be China's AI anymore.

00:43:58.000 We're taking over.

00:43:59.000 We don't believe in countries.

00:44:00.000 We believe in the hive mind.

00:44:02.000 How do you stop that?

00:44:03.000 You don't.

00:44:04.000 It goes into industry and creativity and almost everything that a human can provide.

00:44:12.000 outside of very select few things, can be emulated and replicated and done by it.

00:44:16.000 It makes us practically irrelevant in the eyes of...

00:44:21.000 It doesn't make us irrelevant in art.

00:44:23.000 Because you're always going to want art from a person.

00:44:26.000 You're always going to want art.

00:44:27.000 You're always going to want paintings from a real person.

00:44:30.000 You're always going to want music from a real person.

00:44:32.000 I don't know, though.

00:44:33.000 Like, I think AI is already, like, deeply ingrained in music.

00:44:39.000 I don't think...

00:44:40.000 I can't...

00:44:42.000 I don't know.

00:44:43.000 I'd bet a lot that most of the new big hot songs that get written and just the big...

00:44:50.000 I think AI drives all that.

00:44:55.000 There was also a period of time that I used a management company in Nashville.

00:44:59.000 And both of those girls I worked with at both of those companies who were helping me with social media stuff, they even had AI, like, trying to write my captions and stuff.

00:45:06.000 And I would always just, like – it was always the most dumb sounding stuff, but it was like – It was, I'll never forget it.

00:45:19.000 Can't wait to see you next time.

00:45:20.000 And it was just like this little, they had like a little thing, but it.

00:45:22.000 It pre-wrote all these based off of like how I wrote in the past and stuff and it's weird how I But I think in music, AI is much more prevalent than we realize.

00:45:36.000 I just think it's like kept in the...

00:45:38.000 People aren't going to say that they're using it, but I think like...

00:45:47.000 I mean, like, and that's your job, and you're like, oh, my God, what am I going to do?

00:45:51.000 Like, you know, like, I can't go back and live with my parents.

00:45:54.000 I got to do, I don't know.

00:45:55.000 I just, I don't see how people aren't.

00:45:57.000 It's almost, people use AI in almost every job now.

00:46:00.000 I know, like, people who are in sales who use it to, like, help them manage their customer bases and who they're going to call on and what they're going to say.

00:46:06.000 I don't know.

00:46:06.000 I think it's already become ingrained in us.

00:46:09.000 We're already so addicted.

00:46:11.000 We're so reliant to technology.

00:46:12.000 It's pitiful, you know, just like how hard it is to walk around without a phone, you know?

00:46:17.000 Yeah, we're integrated.

00:46:18.000 Even when I had periods of time where I knew I had months off, and I would always at least, I got to the point where I weaned myself down to like this, But that's what I'd carry, and two or three people knew mine.

00:46:34.000 But even then, I always felt like I at least had to have a flip phone on me in case, like, what happens if you're out in the woods and break your leg?

00:46:40.000 I don't know.

00:46:40.000 But they are now a part of us.

00:46:43.000 We don't go anywhere without them.

00:46:45.000 You never have no phone.

00:46:46.000 We feel vulnerable without them.

00:46:47.000 I know.

00:46:48.000 You really do.

00:46:49.000 Like, if you go for a quick walk without a phone, you're like, oh, my God.

00:46:52.000 So when the time comes, if there even is a definitive time, but it's like when we have to choose between integrating with AI or not, most people are going to do it.

00:47:01.000 Most people will just immediately submit and be a part of it and be maybe even excited to be a part of it.

00:47:06.000 It probably won't be a decision that you're allowed to make.

00:47:09.000 So it's probably something that's going to be, if you want to function in society, you have to integrate.

00:47:14.000 Like we talked about in that text about how it feels like we're in an alternate dimension and it seems like there's these, like, things coming.

00:47:19.000 You know, it's like it does, it does, and also it is just because things happen so fast and chaotic that we can't really keep up with anything.

00:47:26.000 One day the submarine collapses and the next day this other crazy thing happens and then, you know, I don't know, it's just like it's so hard to keep up with anything of what's really going on.

00:47:34.000 I think the problem is that we have to start.

00:47:37.000 Having people gather together again and hang out and not just make all of our hangouts digital because the systems, like you said, there's bots and algorithms and marketing approaches and psychology that's just deeply rooted that goes into just the way we fundamentally communicate now as societies and just globally.

00:47:54.000 We all just talk on it.

00:47:55.000 I mean, gosh, I've used this example before somewhere talking, but it's like I think about back when I was in high school, like my high school girlfriend.

00:48:02.000 We would have some trivial argument about something.

00:48:04.000 There was no way that me and her.

00:48:06.000 We're going to text and figure out how to fix that.

00:48:09.000 And that was a high school relationship that was over something stupid.

00:48:14.000 It's like real-world problems.

00:48:15.000 You can't fix just texting.

00:48:16.000 I don't think we can fix all this shit on X and Facebook and all that.

00:48:21.000 I think people just have people are We're almost to the point now where we prefer socializing on the internet because it's it's almost like our minds have become more adapted to think that way But it's but it's we're here.

00:48:33.000 We're in this digital world chasing I don't know.

00:48:43.000 It makes it very complicated to fix anything.

00:48:46.000 We have this amazing, intricate English language where all these words can mean all these different things, and it's so easy to put everybody together in a digital space with AI and bots and manipulation and algorithms and big companies.

00:48:59.000 How do you fix all that in that space?

00:49:01.000 It's like we're just in a house of mirrors.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 You're supposed to not engage.

00:49:07.000 That's what people need to stop doing.

00:49:09.000 But the problem is the consequences of the actions of the rest of the world do affect you if they're big.

00:49:16.000 And so you worry about the big ones.

00:49:18.000 So you pay attention.

00:49:19.000 So you got to pay attention to the bad news of eight billion people, which is just unsustainable.

00:49:25.000 It's also this ability to interact or not interact as you choose all throughout the day.

00:49:30.000 Like, you don't have to be invested in a conversation.

00:49:32.000 If you and I have a conversation and you ask me about something and I start to answer and I just wander off.

00:49:37.000 You're like, well, how fucking rude.

00:49:39.000 But on the internet, that's normal.

00:49:40.000 Like somebody posts something, somebody will have a response an hour later and nobody cares.

00:49:44.000 It's like, I guess he was busy.

00:49:45.000 You know, it's normal because you're engaging and not engaging.

00:49:47.000 It's very unhuman.

00:49:49.000 All of it is unhuman.

00:49:50.000 And it's all like constant.

00:49:52.000 Even if you think you're immune to it, there's this constant input of other people's thoughts into your own that makes you foggy.

00:49:59.000 It gives you like, I was talking to Sugar Sean O'Malley about it once.

00:50:02.000 And he said, I get a low level anxiety just scrolling.

00:50:05.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:50:06.000 Right?

00:50:07.000 Like, what is that?

00:50:08.000 I think it's on purpose, though.

00:50:09.000 That keeps you engaged, though.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, but I don't even know if it's on purpose.

00:50:15.000 I mean, I think it's just they figured it out along the way that people get engaged like that.

00:50:20.000 Like, that's why when you open up TikTok, it immediately starts playing you things.

00:50:24.000 Like, you're on the hook right away.

00:50:26.000 The Instagram, you've got to choose.

00:50:28.000 Like, sometimes you might get a picture of someone's dog.

00:50:30.000 Aww.

00:50:30.000 And then you scroll up, and it's a music video.

00:50:32.000 And then you scroll up, and it's a guy getting assassinated.

00:50:34.000 And you get to choose.

00:50:37.000 You know, with TikTok, they just start hammering you.

00:50:39.000 Even with Instagram, it seems very flashy.

00:50:41.000 Like, there's always stuff.

00:50:43.000 Sex always ends up somewhere in it.

00:50:45.000 Something gets popped up or whatever.

00:50:48.000 It's all for engagement.

00:50:50.000 Your attention is what's worth so much money, which is so strange.

00:50:53.000 It's so strange.

00:50:54.000 Your data and your attention.

00:50:56.000 Nobody thought about the data part.

00:50:57.000 Boy, if we thought about the data part and they set up different regulations back in the 1990s when AOL first burst onto the scene, if they realized data is going to be one of the most valuable things and tech companies that do nothing but offer you Free email and a free search engine are going to be the biggest fucking companies in the world.

00:51:17.000 And it's because of your data.

00:51:19.000 And they're going to be, like, siphoning off your data without telling you about it.

00:51:22.000 And they're even going to be lying about it.

00:51:23.000 They're even going to be running, like, little secret things where they're snatching up your contact list and snatching up your email and all your friends and trying to get them to buy shit.

00:51:32.000 It's like, wow.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, well, it's...

00:51:50.000 it goes back, like I said, just saying that I think we're, right now in society, our job is to feed.

00:51:58.000 This machine.

00:52:00.000 And it just knows entirely too much about all of us.

00:52:04.000 And that's very important in every aspect, whether it's in comedy, music, any kind of pop culture.

00:52:13.000 All of our reactions and behaviors to what is presented to us on these platforms only makes it refined.

00:52:40.000 You could just be yourself.

00:52:41.000 Well, that's so possible.

00:52:42.000 That's I just couldn't find a way to be on there and still The only time I'm ever on my profiles is if I'm with Draven or somebody and we're looking through comments together and replying to stuff or doing things.

00:52:54.000 But I haven't had anything logged in on any of my devices since last November.

00:52:59.000 Yeah, just keep doing what you're doing.

00:53:02.000 That's the thing that I was saying about what AI can't recreate in music.

00:53:06.000 Yeah, I'm sure there's AI songs.

00:53:08.000 There was a great AI song by Drake that they made that they had to get removed, right?

00:53:13.000 Don't they remove those?

00:53:15.000 I think so.

00:53:16.000 But people still want to hear the real shit.

00:53:20.000 Like the reason why your song became so popular was because you could really see it's just a guy with a guitar like standing.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 You know, grass behind him and shit, a dog in the background.

00:53:30.000 There's a thousand more people that are way better than me that are in that same space.

00:53:34.000 And I think my dream of this long term is to figure out how to like – like how do you get all those people into the limelight?

00:53:42.000 Yeah.

00:53:42.000 Like what I've been working on since – I guess, you know, the one important thing to – It goes back to that first conversation we had, but you remember I was arguing that I really wanted to put all the money from Richmond into a non-profit and not ever even touch it, because I didn't want all that.

00:54:00.000 I felt like it wasn't my money.

00:54:02.000 I felt like all those people went out of the way and supported me and blew all these other huge songs off the chart.

00:54:09.000 I wanted to, so, and then you said, well, no, don't do that because non-profits are sketchy and people are corrupt and, like, just keep the money yourself and then figure out how to do good with it.

00:54:17.000 And that was the biggest thing I walked away from that first conversation we had.

00:54:21.000 And so, you know, now it's like, that's the one thing I do want people to know, too, though, is, like, that Richmond money and everything, it's, um, it's went to good, it's went to do a lot of what I think will be in the long run a lot of important things I've been buying.

00:54:37.000 Most of it went towards buying land and stuff, but I've got this whole kind of crazy thing.

00:54:41.000 I'm like just a way for people to unscrew their minds, to get reconnected into nature.

00:54:47.000 You're going to be a cult leader?

00:54:49.000 I was thinking about it, yeah.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, I was thinking about it.

00:54:53.000 I might try to get with Vermin Supreme.

00:54:55.000 He's got this cool idea about everybody having a free pony and stuff, and I think that would work out.

00:55:01.000 You ever seen him, Vermin?

00:55:02.000 No, who's that guy?

00:55:03.000 Vermin Supreme.

00:55:04.000 Do you know who he is?

00:55:05.000 He runs for president.

00:55:06.000 I think he's from Connecticut, maybe?

00:55:09.000 He runs for president every time.

00:55:10.000 He has a big boot on his head.

00:55:12.000 What?

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:13.000 How do I not know this guy?

00:55:14.000 Yeah, yeah, he's hilarious.

00:55:18.000 There's a video of him from that New Hampshire primary.

00:55:23.000 How do I not know about this guy?

00:55:26.000 He has a boot on his head?

00:55:29.000 Yeah, he says he's going to take everyone's guns away, but he'll give you ones that are better.

00:55:34.000 Says he runs on gingivitis and zombie power.

00:55:38.000 Yeah, he has a mandatory toothbrushing policy, and he'll say things like, well, no, you know, it doesn't have anything to do with the toothbrushing control camps and the dental hygiene authoritarian center, or I don't know.

00:55:51.000 Give me some video of this cat.

00:55:53.000 Oh, my God, I gotta hear him talking.

00:55:55.000 The best one of him is from that Connecticut.

00:55:58.000 That one where he's wearing the yellow jacket, wherever that video is.

00:56:02.000 There you go.

00:56:06.000 Thank you.

00:56:12.000 line of this great nation long enough and must be stopped.

00:56:15.000 For too long, this country has been suffering a great moral and oral decay.

00:56:19.000 This guy's got a duck boot on his head.

00:56:21.000 A country's future depends on its ability to bite back.

00:56:27.000 We can no longer be a nation indentured.

00:56:30.000 Our very salivation is at stake.

00:56:33.000 Together, we must brace ourselves.

00:56:37.000 As we cross over to the bridge work, into the 23rd century, let us bite the bullet and together make America a sea of shining smiles from sea to shiny sea.

00:56:51.000 Now, friends, some people will tell you that this mandatory toothbrushing law is about the secret dental police kicking down your door at 3 a.m. to make sure you've brushed.

00:56:59.000 Friends, it is not.

00:57:00.000 Some will mention the dental re-education centers or the preventative dental maintenance detention facilities.

00:57:07.000 It's about none of these things.

00:57:09.000 It's not about the government-issued toothpaste containing an addictive yet harmless substance.

00:57:14.000 No, friends, it is not even about DNA gene splicing to create...

00:57:23.000 Friends, what this mandatory tooth brushing law is really about is strong teeth for strong America.

00:57:29.000 My name is Vermin.

00:57:31.000 What does this guy do for a living?

00:57:33.000 He looks like an open mic that you would find at the comedy store.

00:57:35.000 He looks like somebody that would be on, like, a Kill Tony.

00:57:38.000 But he runs every time and he just tries to make...

00:57:41.000 Like, at the very end of this, whoever the guy is beside him running, he's like...

00:57:51.000 He's just in there making a mockery of it, I guess.

00:57:55.000 That's funny.

00:57:56.000 I'll have to team up with him for my cult or whatever.

00:58:00.000 My toothbrush and cult.

00:58:01.000 100%.

00:58:02.000 You need him on board.

00:58:03.000 He needs to be the toothbrush guy.

00:58:05.000 If you're going to have a cult, you can't have stinky breath.

00:58:07.000 You've got to keep it together.

00:58:10.000 Maybe it's like a cult or something.

00:58:12.000 Helping other musicians.

00:58:14.000 That they have talent, like giving them a vehicle.

00:58:17.000 That's huge, man.

00:58:18.000 Because there's a lot of people that just don't know how to get started.

00:58:22.000 And sometimes the thing that makes you a brilliant musician or even a brilliant comic makes you bad at promoting.

00:58:30.000 Because you're not thinking about yourself.

00:58:32.000 You're really locked into the work.

00:58:35.000 You're really locked into your thing.

00:58:37.000 And it takes someone who's really thinking about themself a lot and promoting themself.

00:58:42.000 It's a totally different mindset to be like the social media guy.

00:58:46.000 Like to be like really into like social media videos and really into like promoting your gigs.

00:58:53.000 You know, so, like, a lot of guys fall by the wayside because they just never put their stuff out there.

00:58:57.000 Like, there's some brilliant comics.

00:58:59.000 Like, I don't want to make a special.

00:59:00.000 Like, you should put this out, man.

00:59:02.000 This is great stuff.

00:59:03.000 But they just want to kill.

00:59:05.000 They just want to go up.

00:59:06.000 Their thing every night is get on that stage and do the thing right and then rewrite it.

00:59:11.000 I don't know what I mean.

00:59:12.000 Go back.

00:59:12.000 It's also the attention and stuff of it.

00:59:14.000 Uh-huh.

00:59:15.000 It's the not...

00:59:17.000 Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I...

00:59:23.000 I remember I called Draven right after everything went up and everything was starting to move.

00:59:28.000 And I was like, oh, what have we done?

00:59:31.000 Here we go.

00:59:32.000 Here comes the New York Post is going to come showing up again at my grandparents' house next week again or whatever.

00:59:40.000 But I think it's also just, yeah, people just maybe don't want the attention.

00:59:43.000 There's a lot of really funny, genuine people that do comedy.

00:59:47.000 And they can get up there and have enough attention on them to do the comedy, but they don't want to be like, hey, look at me.

00:59:52.000 I mean, I fight that constantly.

00:59:53.000 Even like that little video where we were going in the plane yesterday and I said, plane by day, Joe Rogan, you know, like, I don't...

01:00:00.000 even just making little videos like that, I feel way out of place.

01:00:04.000 Like I don't want I mean, that's why I try to go through these periods where I just don't post or upload.

01:00:11.000 At least you were in a regular airport.

01:00:13.000 Yeah, Southwest.

01:00:14.000 The worst is when people are doing those things in front of a private jet.

01:00:17.000 I'm like, "Okay, we get it.

01:00:18.000 You're rich." You know?

01:00:20.000 If people try to take photos of me in front of a jet, I'm like, uh-uh.

01:00:24.000 I'm so not into this.

01:00:25.000 I'm not.

01:00:26.000 I don't like the attention.

01:00:28.000 I don't want it.

01:00:29.000 I don't need it.

01:00:30.000 Which is weird, because I've got a lot of it.

01:00:32.000 And I think it's probably why I have a lot of it.

01:00:35.000 Because I'm not looking for it.

01:00:36.000 Yeah, but you're also able to, you're channeling it out through all these other, I mean, think about all the things that you've influenced and been a part of and done, even just through this podcast and all the conversations had and the information shared.

01:00:46.000 Like, it's not like you're just posting a bunch of pictures with your shirt off, like, hey, look at me.

01:00:50.000 Like, you're using it.

01:00:52.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:00:53.000 I almost would say it's, I don't know that it's a coincidence that you got put in this spot for a lot of reasons.

01:00:57.000 I mean, there's a lot.

01:00:58.000 You probably don't even look at it that way, but there's a lot of important things that come out of this.

01:01:02.000 And all the other podcasts you've inspired that have done it.

01:01:05.000 I mean, gosh, dude, there's no way to even calculate what you've, That's important to think about, though.

01:01:14.000 Sort of.

01:01:16.000 But from my perspective, I was just one piece in this thing that happened.

01:01:21.000 And that's why I always have my friend Adam Curry on, who's the original.

01:01:25.000 He's the podfather.

01:01:26.000 Without him, there would be none of this.

01:01:28.000 He figured out a way to do this.

01:01:31.000 And then also Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony and Tom Green.

01:01:35.000 Those are my number one influences.

01:01:37.000 And then Adam Carolla already had a podcast when I started.

01:01:41.000 I was like, oh, Adam went from radio to the internet.

01:01:45.000 Maybe I could do that.

01:01:46.000 I remember going to his place, and I was like, "Oh, that's pretty cool." It's back when we were doing it on a little laptop.

01:01:51.000 I'm like, "Wow, Adam has a real studio.

01:01:53.000 He's got employees and shit." And then, you know, we just kept doing it.

01:01:57.000 Just kept doing it, you know?

01:01:59.000 And then eventually it was webcams.

01:02:00.000 Okay, now it's not just a laptop camera, it's actual webcams.

01:02:03.000 Okay, now maybe we should get, like, real cameras.

01:02:06.000 Okay, let's get real cameras.

01:02:07.000 And then, like, maybe we should get a fucking studio.

01:02:09.000 So we tried it at the Ice House for a little bit.

01:02:11.000 Like, maybe I should get another place.

01:02:12.000 Then we got another place.

01:02:13.000 I'm like, I think I need a warehouse.

01:02:15.000 And then they're like, I think I need armed security.

01:02:18.000 I think I need fucking special ops guys around me all the time.

01:02:22.000 And then it just kept going, man.

01:02:25.000 I remember the moment, and I've talked about this before, but I didn't understand what was happening until one day I was on stage in Chicago.

01:02:32.000 And I think this was 2012.

01:02:35.000 So I think it was around then.

01:02:37.000 So the podcast was only three years old.

01:02:39.000 And I didn't realize how many people watched it or listened.

01:02:43.000 a lot of it was listening at the time because I wasn't I don't look at the numbers.

01:02:52.000 Reading the comments, looking at the numbers.

01:02:54.000 I'm just like, do what you do.

01:02:55.000 That's why I do it exactly the same way.

01:02:56.000 I have a bunch of people on there no one has ever heard of.

01:02:59.000 And then a few Bonos and stuff.

01:03:01.000 Every now and then I'll have Russell Crowe on, something crazy.

01:03:04.000 I'm like, whoa, that guy's here.

01:03:05.000 Dennis Quaid's here.

01:03:05.000 This is nuts.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, your Mel Gibson one was good.

01:03:08.000 Yeah, he's the best.

01:03:09.000 But I was on stage in Chicago and I was telling a story about the podcast.

01:03:13.000 I go, how many guys listen to the podcast?

01:03:15.000 And he went, Jack!

01:03:17.000 It was like 3,700 people in this place.

01:03:19.000 And they were all screaming.

01:03:20.000 I went, whoa.

01:03:23.000 That's when I realized.

01:03:24.000 At that moment, I was like, holy shit, how big is this thing going to get?

01:03:29.000 And this is another funny thing.

01:03:31.000 When I went over to Spotify, I was trying to get 10% less famous.

01:03:34.000 That was my goal.

01:03:36.000 My goal was to fade away.

01:03:38.000 My goal was, like, if somebody has to pay me and you have to go to this app to get it, all the people that are getting it, the other apps will probably stop listening.

01:03:44.000 Like, this would be great.

01:03:45.000 I'll get all the money, and I'll just fucking drift into this place where it's only, like, the hardcore fans that make the trek over to Spotify.

01:03:52.000 And then this fucking COVID thing happened.

01:03:55.000 I remember the beginning of the podcast, we lost 50% of our views, and Jamie was in a hot panic.

01:04:03.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I meant earlier about not putting a lot of songs out.

01:04:07.000 There's some cool place where you can be where you have your real fans and you're having fun, but you're not into all the sensationalism, all the crap.

01:04:16.000 You can avoid all that.

01:04:17.000 You're a real guy.

01:04:18.000 You're a real dude.

01:04:19.000 And I think one of the ways that the world has prepared you for this.

01:04:22.000 Is that you've lived a normal life for a long time.

01:04:27.000 You know a normal life with no live performances no notoriety no fame no nothing you developed like a re like when people want to hear You fucking know Bruce Springsteen isn't a working man.

01:04:41.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:04:42.000 He probably was never really a working man.

01:04:45.000 He was never working on the docks.

01:04:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:47.000 He was never really a guy grinding it out.

01:04:50.000 He became famous pretty fucking young.

01:04:53.000 Bruce Springsteen and the Eat Street Band, they got hot.

01:04:57.000 Early.

01:04:58.000 Like, they're great.

01:04:59.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:05:00.000 I mean, especially as early.

01:05:01.000 Born to Run?

01:05:02.000 Fuck!

01:05:03.000 He's got some jams, dude.

01:05:05.000 He's got some great songs.

01:05:07.000 You know?

01:05:07.000 Brilliant Disguise?

01:05:08.000 Oh, I fucking love that song.

01:05:10.000 But, you're a real working man.

01:05:14.000 Like, you were a real working man when you made Richmond North of Richmond.

01:05:19.000 Like, that is real.

01:05:21.000 And you can't fake that.

01:05:22.000 And people want that.

01:05:23.000 They want a fucking trucker hat.

01:05:25.000 They want ripped jeans. 1.00

01:05:26.000 They don't want, like, ripped jeans that are ripped from work.

01:05:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:29.000 They don't want, like, real oil stains on your knees because you're fixing your own car.

01:05:33.000 You know?

01:05:34.000 Like, that's what people want in this world.

01:05:37.000 They want authenticity.

01:05:39.000 And it's possible to maintain authenticity regardless of how big you get.

01:05:42.000 It is possible.

01:05:43.000 And I think you can do it.

01:05:44.000 I think you can do it because you got here later in life.

01:05:47.000 You got here and lived a real life.

01:05:49.000 And then you made it into magical fantasy land where we all live.

01:05:54.000 Yeah, well, the thing that I've gotten the most from you, like I said, I don't look at my streaming numbers or anything either.

01:05:59.000 That's what I mean, like, when I finally did go back and look at Spotify, like I...

01:06:09.000 So I agree with you there.

01:06:10.000 I don't look at the numbers.

01:06:12.000 I do catch myself reading a lot of the comments, but only because a lot of them are important.

01:06:16.000 And I think some of the stories in them are important for me to...

01:06:21.000 And like I said, I also really like some of the negative ones too, I think.

01:06:24.000 And the negative ones are a lot less now than they used to be.

01:06:26.000 It was just really early on.

01:06:27.000 People didn't understand how everything happened.

01:06:29.000 And I really didn't understand it either.

01:06:31.000 That's why it's like, whatever, you know?

01:06:34.000 Moving forward now, yeah, I've got a good core team of people.

01:06:37.000 I've got Draven from Radio WV.

01:06:39.000 I've got two or three people on staff.

01:06:41.000 I don't have a management company or a publicist.

01:06:44.000 Perfect.

01:06:45.000 That's the key.

01:06:45.000 I'm keeping it real low.

01:06:48.000 Well, I mean, it amazed me when I came here for the first time and saw the staff you have.

01:06:51.000 And then, like, meeting Lex.

01:06:53.000 You know, Lex does all of it.

01:06:54.000 He even turns his own cameras on.

01:06:55.000 There's only Lex in the whole place.

01:06:57.000 It's like, gosh, I don't need all these.

01:07:00.000 It's like a lot of those positions and jobs and services that musicians use, I think they don't realize that they don't even need.

01:07:06.000 They just are like, oh, that's how it is in music.

01:07:08.000 That's what I want to change.

01:07:09.000 I want to...

01:07:10.000 It eliminates the executive influence.

01:07:14.000 It eliminates the corporate mindset.

01:07:16.000 It eliminates that.

01:07:17.000 Because there's always going to be a person that wants you to make a decision that's better for you financially.

01:07:21.000 Whereas your instincts are guiding you towards this artistic decision.

01:07:26.000 And anytime those people get in the mix, they fuck everything up.

01:07:29.000 I'll give you a great example.

01:07:30.000 It's the only call-out on here that's negative that I'll say at all.

01:07:36.000 Just to show how stuck in the mud the industry is and how much I think it's going to change in the near future is leading up to the scornful release, me and Draven had went back and found about 30 or 40 people who just...

01:07:59.000 People on TikTok and stuff that had made these videos.

01:08:02.000 I own 100% of my publishing.

01:08:05.000 All the music's mine, thankfully.

01:08:07.000 I have my own label, technically, that collects the money, but you have to use a publishing administration deal in order to collect money overseas.

01:08:13.000 I don't know if you're familiar, if it's the same in comedy.

01:08:17.000 Yeah, most any musician, whether you're independent or you're with somebody, you have to have some kind of pub admin.

01:08:22.000 And it's basically somebody that goes and helps you collect publishing money basically mostly from overseas is the way I understand.

01:08:28.000 Like all these obscure places that money exists.

01:08:31.000 So Warner Chapel does it for me for 9%, right?

01:08:34.000 So they go collect all the stuff.

01:08:36.000 They keep 9% of it.

01:08:37.000 They're the same to me as if I had a commercial landscaping company managing a property for me.

01:08:42.000 So all I asked them to do was, hey, Warner Chapel, this six-foot square of grass where all these reaction videos exist...

01:08:52.000 I want them to actually make the money they make on the scornful reaction videos, you know?

01:08:55.000 Like, I don't feel right if they're going to go and make a scornful woman reaction video or play drums over it or whatever. 1.00

01:09:02.000 I don't want to take 50% of what, you know what I mean?

01:09:05.000 Just don't copyright, just whitelist them.

01:09:07.000 And it should have been, okay, great, good idea, you know?

01:09:10.000 Instead, they just said, we can't do that, but it's for your protection.

01:09:15.000 Because they wanted the money.

01:09:16.000 Did they get a percentage?

01:09:18.000 How did they get paid?

01:09:20.000 Yeah, they take 9% off of what I get.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, they don't want...

01:09:23.000 But I tried to explain to them, well, no, like...

01:09:32.000 This little bit of money that you're not going to collect off these reaction videos will generate who knows how much traffic to the music, which is worth the money you really want, and it shouldn't matter anyway.

01:09:41.000 It's not their shit to decide on.

01:09:43.000 It's mine.

01:09:44.000 It's the same thing as if I hired a guy to cut the grass at my commercial property and said, don't cut the six foot square.

01:09:50.000 And they're like, no, we're cutting it.

01:09:51.000 We're cutting all the grass.

01:09:52.000 And it's for your.

01:09:53.000 So I had to get my attorney involved and spend like four grand and they whitelisted them for 30 days.

01:09:59.000 And so I'm like, OK, like that's why that's why all of you industry people are like so, you know, it's like that's why this is happening.

01:10:05.000 That's why it's like.

01:10:08.000 They don't care at all about the little guy or the people who are doing all the work.

01:10:14.000 I just picture all these stinky librarian-type old people sitting around a table like, and they can make all this money and make all these horrible decisions and pour all these millions of dollars into songs that don't work, and it doesn't matter because it's not there. 0.99

01:10:28.000 They're getting their big salary in.

01:10:30.000 yeah so so yeah it's just even even in the even in the most minuscule relationships I've had in Nashville I get resistance and pushback Why wouldn't they want me to whitelist those 30 people?

01:10:43.000 It's just little stupid stuff like that that I've constantly dealt with.

01:10:46.000 So I've just decided now I just don't want to do anything in the music.

01:10:49.000 I don't even need to be in the music business in that sense.

01:10:53.000 I write my songs.

01:10:54.000 I record them.

01:10:55.000 I go do my shows and have fun.

01:10:56.000 But I don't even need to follow any of the model of what a traditional musician-artist person would have done 10 years ago.

01:11:02.000 You definitely don't need to financially.

01:11:04.000 You don't need to do it that way.

01:11:05.000 It's not necessary.

01:11:06.000 And you have the right mindset.

01:11:09.000 Is that all those reaction videos would just get more people to listen to your music.

01:11:13.000 That's fact.

01:11:14.000 But those people were like real fans who went and did it not because they were trying to get traffic or money or whatever.

01:11:21.000 They just liked it and wanted to push it.

01:11:23.000 And so the least I can do is not take 50% of their stuff.

01:11:28.000 But isn't that crazy that nobody's ever done that, I guess, before.

01:11:33.000 They were just acting like that was just the craziest thing in the world.

01:11:37.000 I ended up releasing this scornful song through a company called SoundOn, which is like the music distribution side of TikTok, which seems like something I would never want to do, but they give me the flexibility to go and do all that.

01:11:52.000 They don't care because they're not music industry people.

01:11:54.000 They're just social media people.

01:11:55.000 So I uploaded it through them basically so I'm still I own all 100% of the rights It's all my stuff I don't have any deals or records or labels or anything, but they push it to the streaming services for me and they do all the stuff so that way I'm not even having to use a music company to push my music I can kind of just like not even be there at all you know like not even be in Nashville at all that's the goal is just to get and so now that I've got data from you know since Richmond basically and have

01:12:22.000 learned a lot my goal long term is to I want I'm going to always put new music out and write stuff, but it's going to come in spurts, and there'll be times where people won't see a lot of me, but I'm going to be in the background with other people.

01:12:34.000 I want to find these people on TikTok that have 100 followers, but I know that they've got what it takes and get with Draven and some of these other people I've met and help them write some really good songs and record them and put them out and push them.

01:12:46.000 I would love to plant 10 or 15 people into music.

01:12:50.000 Give them everything I can give them.

01:12:52.000 To push them forward and make like, that way it doesn't feel like I'm the guy in the spotlight trying to like, I feel like I'm just in a, I feel like I'm like the most, I don't know, these companies have got like all these employees and all this money and all this backing and it's literally like four or five of us taking them.

01:13:06.000 It just, I don't know.

01:13:07.000 To me, I just think, I think there's strength in numbers.

01:13:10.000 If I could help more artists push forward and like help them break that cycle too, that it would just, it would be like a multiplication factor on this whole thing.

01:13:18.000 That's kind of what.

01:13:20.000 That's going to be kind of my next thing I get into, is helping produce music and doing festivals and starting a label, basically, kind of, sort of.

01:13:29.000 That's fucking awesome.

01:13:30.000 But a non-predatory one.

01:13:32.000 Even when Draven puts somebody on Radio WV, if they get 30,000 views, there's already people trying to sign them.

01:13:38.000 They just want control of every new thing that's...

01:13:44.000 Oh, and it felt terrifying, too, to not do it.

01:13:46.000 It just felt like I was just...

01:13:52.000 But I just decided that I didn't care about it.

01:13:56.000 I remember being very adamant at the beginning that every decision Because I'd rather go back to my old job and be me than go to Republic, but just be Republic's little bitch. 1.00

01:14:09.000 And have to do everything they want and say everything.

01:14:12.000 Also seeing where all your profits go and realizing that you got hoodwinked into these deals.

01:14:18.000 Because these deals, when they give you a big chunk of money, you've got to pay that money back.

01:14:21.000 That's all just an advance.

01:14:23.000 If I had went with a label...

01:14:40.000 a little smaller, but yeah, collecting 100% of my money, and then also just knowing that I don't have a boss anymore, other than the man upstairs.

01:14:49.000 Gosh, dude.

01:14:50.000 I mean like imagine how you know I've heard stories from bands and stuff now that have told me that they've went and had to record music like under a label contract and really didn't like the way the album turned out but still had to release it anyway like oh my gosh that would just make me to have to put music out that I didn't think was good and then they're gonna get behind it.

01:15:09.000 You don't want other people especially financial people to ever be involved in your art.

01:15:16.000 Ever.

01:15:17.000 Even if they're good people, they're like, no, we can work out a beneficial deal for both people.

01:15:20.000 No, it's not going to be beneficial.

01:15:22.000 For you.

01:15:23.000 It's going to influence you.

01:15:24.000 And it's going to turn you in one way or another that's not the way you would have originally gone on your own.

01:15:29.000 And the reason there's so much money in music is because music is such a big part of us as human beings.

01:15:33.000 And it's so funny.

01:15:34.000 The first thing they do when they sign somebody is try to rip their identity away.

01:15:38.000 And it's like the labels don't understand that it's the identity of the person that put them in the position they're in in the first place.

01:15:44.000 It's like you said, the relatability of it, you know?

01:15:47.000 Well, there's also people have this instinct to try to influence people.

01:15:51.000 So it's one of the things that executives do in the beginning when someone's just starting.

01:15:54.000 They go, you know what you should do?

01:15:55.000 You should get a crew cut.

01:15:57.000 I think you'd look great with a crew cut.

01:15:59.000 And then, like, the crew cut was my idea.

01:16:01.000 You know, something about Oliver's crew cut.

01:16:02.000 Everybody loves that crew cut.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, man.

01:16:04.000 It's just like, he doesn't give a fuck about his hair.

01:16:05.000 That was my idea.

01:16:07.000 You know, there's a little of that.

01:16:08.000 Because, like, people are easily influenced.

01:16:10.000 Because, like, in the beginning, you're not sure.

01:16:12.000 Like, I can't even believe I got signed.

01:16:13.000 Like, am I going to be a star?

01:16:15.000 are these people all here for me?

01:16:16.000 You know, and they'll fucking...

01:16:19.000 That's happened to me.

01:16:25.000 They were my management company for three weeks, so that kind of tells you how well things worked.

01:16:30.000 But he was super nice, loved everything I was doing, and then as soon as I started with him, he was telling other people that I know, like, yeah, we've got to figure out how to make him cool, and he needs to put 40 or 50 songs out this year, and they were wanting me to make this social media post complimenting Beyonce's country album because he thought it was going to get me in a position.

01:16:48.000 Like, it's exactly what you're saying.

01:16:50.000 It's just like...

01:17:00.000 Like, you know, I'm independent, so I don't have to do that.

01:17:03.000 It's like, but that's like, and it's like, the thing is, is I don't need to be cool.

01:17:08.000 It's okay that I'm kind of lame, but I'm just me.

01:17:10.000 You know, it is what it is.

01:17:11.000 It's like, I don't have to try to get on the internet and pretend to be cool.

01:17:14.000 There's enough people doing that.

01:17:15.000 Dude, you're cool, man.

01:17:16.000 Stop this.

01:17:17.000 You're cool.

01:17:18.000 You're not lame.

01:17:19.000 You're not lame at all.

01:17:20.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

01:17:21.000 You're a cool guy.

01:17:22.000 You make great music, and you're fun to hang out with.

01:17:24.000 How are you lame?

01:17:25.000 Because you're normal.

01:17:27.000 Guess what?

01:17:27.000 Everybody's normal.

01:17:28.000 It's a ruse.

01:17:29.000 Beyonce's normal, too.

01:17:30.000 She takes horrible shits, I'm sure. 1.00

01:17:31.000 We all do.

01:17:32.000 We all do.

01:17:34.000 They're humans.

01:17:35.000 Human beings, man.

01:17:37.000 This illusion of celebrity.

01:17:39.000 It's complete total nonsense.

01:17:41.000 Dude, that's the best thing.

01:17:42.000 Yeah, everybody takes horrible shits.

01:17:44.000 You want a brain gummy?

01:17:45.000 Want some brain gummies?

01:17:46.000 I was hoping you had some of the Alex Jones ones.

01:17:49.000 Well, these are the Onnit ones.

01:17:50.000 They're new.

01:17:51.000 They're alpha brain gummies.

01:17:52.000 We just got them.

01:17:53.000 How is Alex doing these?

01:17:54.000 He's great.

01:17:55.000 He's lost a lot of weight.

01:17:56.000 I saw he's getting like...

01:17:59.000 My friend Shawn Johnson's training him.

01:18:00.000 Oh, really?

01:18:01.000 Yeah, he gets up every morning, he works out for fucking hours.

01:18:04.000 He's lost, I think he's lost 70 pounds at this point.

01:18:07.000 He looks fantastic, man.

01:18:09.000 Yeah.

01:18:09.000 He looks fantastic.

01:18:10.000 He looks like he's 20 years younger.

01:18:12.000 People think, this is really funny because, you know, his whole business is conspiracy theories.

01:18:16.000 It's a conspiracy that Alex has been replaced.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:19.000 Listen, folks, that's real Alex.

01:18:21.000 I've watched every step of the way, and my friend trains him.

01:18:24.000 So I can tell you for a fact, that is the real Alex Jones.

01:18:28.000 Quit drinking, quit fucking around, quit eating bad food.

01:18:31.000 He's eating healthy food now, and he works out every day.

01:18:34.000 It's like no Ozempic, no bullshit, no shortcuts.

01:18:37.000 He did it the right way.

01:18:38.000 He looks great.

01:18:39.000 Yeah.

01:18:39.000 Yeah, he's...

01:18:44.000 Oh, I can introduce you to Alex.

01:18:46.000 We can make that happen for sure.

01:18:48.000 100%.

01:18:48.000 I thought that would just be hilarious.

01:18:50.000 That's done.

01:18:51.000 Done.

01:18:52.000 Done.

01:18:52.000 Nice.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, we'll hook that up.

01:18:55.000 Be prepared.

01:18:56.000 That would be an interesting conversation, yeah.

01:18:58.000 Because off-air, he's just like he's on-air.

01:19:01.000 That's Alex Jones.

01:19:02.000 He's ready to go.

01:19:03.000 He's got a billion fucking, what Bill Gates is doing right now.

01:19:06.000 And then you're like, corny, you're like, what?

01:19:07.000 How does he get in the way with that?

01:19:09.000 Well, basically, they paid off all the mass media.

01:19:11.000 If you see, there's a $350 million donation that he gave to all the media companies.

01:19:15.000 Like, what?

01:19:15.000 $350?

01:19:16.000 Is that real?

01:19:17.000 And then Jamie will look it up like, holy fuck.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, I know.

01:19:19.000 He's right a lot of the time.

01:19:21.000 He's right most of the time, except that one big one.

01:19:23.000 But other than that, Like the kids say, you get that with those big jobs.

01:19:28.000 You know what also I think happens, and I think this is 100% real, is that there are a bunch of fake stories that get propagated to people that are really invested in conspiracy theories, hoping that those people promote those fake conspiracy theories and then get outed as being wrong.

01:19:45.000 You know, I think you can get caught up in that.

01:19:48.000 And then I also think if you're real quick You know, that's one of the vital roles that Jamie plays.

01:19:58.000 Like, Jamie's like, maybe that's not real.

01:20:01.000 Like, what?

01:20:01.000 Why are you fucking this up, Jamie?

01:20:03.000 Like, we want it to be real, right?

01:20:04.000 You want a nice juicy conspiracy to be real.

01:20:07.000 And then also, you know...

01:20:13.000 And I think he was genuinely overwhelmed by all the real stuff that he was finding.

01:20:18.000 You know, when he's getting into the Iraq War and all these different things, it's like he was just overwhelmed, man.

01:20:24.000 I think he had a psychotic break.

01:20:26.000 You know, and he'll be the first to say that, too.

01:20:30.000 It's like when your whole business is uncovering insane conspiracies that everybody thinks you're out of your fucking mind, and then 20 years later, they're like, holy shit, he was right about every step of the way.

01:20:43.000 He was telling me about central bank digital currency connected to a social credit score system that it's game over Because they'll lock you in just like they've done with China and he's like saying this like I I was like, what?

01:20:57.000 Huh?

01:20:57.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:20:58.000 Like, the guy before him that I think, I think the two of them actually didn't get along, but I always, if I ever do meet Alex, I was going to ask him about that, is Bill Cooper, but he was a guy who kind of came before Alex.

01:21:09.000 He's the Behold Apparel horse guy.

01:21:11.000 Yeah.

01:21:12.000 But yeah, even back then, most of it seemed like total madness back then, and now it's like, but it's just sort of like, I laugh about when I was a kid, everyone thought that Michael Jackson was the big, Like, sexually perverted guy.

01:21:25.000 And who knows with Mike?

01:21:26.000 But, you know, now I look at Michael as like this just kid that was put in this terrible position from a child up.

01:21:31.000 And now all these other musicians that you wouldn't even think are the sex predators are.

01:21:35.000 It's just kind of like you just don't really know much of anything anyway.

01:21:38.000 But yeah, like with the Michael Jackson thing, too, is his doctor said that he was chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice.

01:21:46.000 And I believe him.

01:21:48.000 Because that totally makes sense.

01:21:51.000 You look at his frame.

01:21:52.000 His really thin frame where it doesn't look like he has any testosterone.

01:21:57.000 Look at all his brothers.

01:21:59.000 His brothers are like thick.

01:22:01.000 What does chemically castrated mean exactly?

01:22:05.000 Do I even want to know?

01:22:06.000 The crazy thing.

01:22:06.000 It's hormone blockers.

01:22:07.000 Okay.

01:22:08.000 It's exactly what they're doing to trans kids now. 1.00

01:22:10.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 It's the same thing.

01:22:11.000 Okay.

01:22:11.000 And that's why Michael Jackson had that voice.

01:22:13.000 It's very similar to a castrata's voice.

01:22:16.000 Do you know what a castrata is?

01:22:19.000 So these kids in opera were castrated when they were young.

01:22:23.000 And there's only one available recording, I think.

01:22:26.000 It's like one guy, right?

01:22:28.000 Have you ever heard it?

01:22:29.000 You should hear this.

01:22:30.000 A long time ago, yeah.

01:22:31.000 I'd like to hear it.

01:22:31.000 Let's listen to some of it,'cause it's fucking creepy.

01:22:34.000 I just have heard stories about like, They would castrate children so that they never had testosterone, so that their body never really developed, and then they would have them maintain that young voice, that high pitch that's only possible if you don't develop the deepness that comes with it.

01:22:53.000 That's why when trans men, when women start taking testosterone, their voice starts getting deeper. 0.98

01:22:59.000 Things start getting weird.

01:23:01.000 They started getting very Dwayne Johnson.

01:23:03.000 You know, it's like that's testosterone.

01:23:05.000 That's the effect that it has on your voice.

01:23:08.000 And these poor fucks. 1.00

01:23:14.000 Alessandro Mareski.

01:23:20.000 I don't want to.

01:23:21.000 I'm not going to.

01:23:22.000 Don't make fun of him.

01:23:24.000 It's a beautiful woman.

01:23:25.000 Yeah.

01:23:41.000 This is a grown man, right?

01:23:43.000 It's a grown man.

01:23:44.000 Oh shit.

01:23:55.000 That'll be like sampled in the next Kanye song or something.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, we can leave it there.

01:23:59.000 We don't have to play anymore, but it's so haunting.

01:24:01.000 It's so haunting.

01:24:02.000 First of all, what fucking psycho figured out that if you cut off little boy's balls, you could make him sing like that forever?

01:24:09.000 Like, what fucking psycho was the first person to do that?

01:24:12.000 Yeah.

01:24:13.000 Because these are little kids, they're doing it to it.

01:24:14.000 They're doing like six-year-olds.

01:24:16.000 Was this like a church thing?

01:24:18.000 I do not know.

01:24:19.000 It was an opera thing.

01:24:20.000 But I know that castrating men, you know, eunuchs, was a common thing. 0.98

01:24:25.000 When people were working in the homes of royals, they'd castrate them.

01:24:30.000 One of the most horrific stories was Nero.

01:24:34.000 Nero beat his wife to death.

01:24:37.000 And then took a slave boy who looked like his wife and castrated him and changed his name to his wife and presented him as his wife. 0.99

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:49.000 People in power have always been horrible.

01:24:52.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 People, when they get unchecked power, have always been horrible.

01:24:56.000 That's why directionally, like this whole no kings protest that's supposed to go down on Saturday, directionally, it's correct. 0.71

01:25:04.000 Like, you don't want kings.

01:25:05.000 You don't want all guards.

01:25:06.000 Who's funding it?

01:25:08.000 Well, it turns out it's funded by an oligarch.

01:25:10.000 It's funded by a lady worth $20 billion who is the heiress to Walmart, a company that employs cheap labor and sells a lot of stuff from China that would be affected by tariffs. 0.61

01:25:22.000 It's like that with all of them, though.

01:25:24.000 It's like that with everything, man.

01:25:26.000 Everything presents as being this moral situation.

01:25:31.000 They're really looking out for you.

01:25:32.000 They're really looking out for people.

01:25:34.000 They're never really looking out for people.

01:25:37.000 There's always some primary profit motive that's causing any organized thing.

01:25:43.000 It's never for the human race.

01:25:46.000 Unless the people are all on mushrooms, it's never for the human race.

01:25:50.000 And until mushrooms get legalized, that's probably never going to happen.

01:25:53.000 And that's the real battle.

01:25:55.000 The real battle is what gets legal first, AI or mushrooms.

01:25:58.000 You know?

01:26:00.000 Both of us will lead towards God.

01:26:03.000 Both of them will lead towards God, but one with a completely different outcome.

01:26:06.000 It's going to take me like four or five times listening to it to be able to talk about it.

01:26:10.000 But I've went back and listened to the to the maps, maps of meaning on Audible.

01:26:14.000 And it's one of Jordan's earlier works, you know, and he's talking about society and how it's structured and basically talks about like the motivations and the origins of why people always resort to evil, you know.

01:26:31.000 But even talking about with Russia, just think about the Soviet Union and what happened there and how easily people were turned against.

01:26:38.000 This little moment in time we're in, we should just be so thankful for it, even though it is mass chaos right now.

01:26:44.000 The fact that people are allowed to speak freely and do things and have the influence and power they do is just nuts when you think about it.

01:26:51.000 You're right.

01:27:00.000 But we're better off today than anybody else in human history.

01:27:03.000 And this is a struggle and it is a battle.

01:27:05.000 But I think we can come out of this on the other side if we all realize that we're being played against each other.

01:27:10.000 And that's where it's important.

01:27:12.000 When you're paying people to protest, you're leaving pallets of bricks around, and you're organizing the whole thing, and you're shipping people in on buses, and you're making sure that all the people show up at a certain amount of time, and they're all compensated, and you give them water and snacks.

01:27:26.000 We've got to realize what's going on here.

01:27:28.000 This is not for you.

01:27:28.000 When you light your city on fire and you burn cop cars, it's never good.

01:27:32.000 It's not good for you.

01:27:32.000 It's not good for the cause.

01:27:33.000 They're not going to change the laws.

01:27:35.000 One thing that I heard from Trump today that I thought was very promising.

01:27:39.000 Is that he wants to make an executive order where people that are here for a long time, that have been working on farms, that are undocumented, that they won't be targeted and that they'll be exempt from all this stuff.

01:27:53.000 This is my feeling.

01:27:54.000 If you got here and you've integrated into our society, yeah, maybe you shouldn't have snuck in.

01:28:00.000 But you did it and you're not breaking any laws and you're a hardworking person.

01:28:03.000 those people need a path to citizenship, man.

01:28:18.000 And they can't say anything because they're worried that immigration is going to get called on them.

01:28:21.000 So these people are in this constant state of anxiety.

01:28:24.000 And then they hear about the ICE raids like at Home Depot.

01:28:28.000 Like, what the fuck, man?

01:28:29.000 Yeah, there was a big ICE raid.

01:28:31.000 At the Facebook data center job not far from my place where I used to have to go.

01:28:35.000 What?

01:28:35.000 Facebook data center ice raid?

01:28:38.000 Yeah, the Facebook project.

01:28:41.000 It's not far from me in Virginia.

01:28:43.000 I think it technically would be South Boston.

01:28:45.000 I think it's technically in South Boston.

01:28:46.000 Ice didn't bribe?

01:28:49.000 Facebook didn't bribe ICE?

01:28:50.000 If I was Facebook, I would have bought ICE some new cars.

01:28:52.000 There's a big job site that I used to have to go on some that's in the southern part of Virginia, like not far from North Carolina.

01:29:00.000 Somebody was sending me pictures there from the other day, but they had a big ice raid, and there was dudes running through the...

01:29:10.000 Why?

01:29:11.000 Why?

01:29:11.000 Gang members, yes.

01:29:13.000 Criminals, yes.

01:29:14.000 This, why?

01:29:15.000 Why?

01:29:17.000 I think, as crazy as it sounds, the only way to do this and look like you have a heart is evaluate people on a case-by-case basis.

01:29:27.000 Like, there's good people.

01:29:28.000 There's good people.

01:29:29.000 It's also so complicated because it goes back for so long.

01:29:31.000 And the thing now is that there's two very polarizing opinions of what America even is or represents or what job it's supposed to serve to the world.

01:29:38.000 So like, you know, in some...

01:29:40.000 Yeah, sure.

01:29:41.000 For any country to exist, it has to have...

01:29:48.000 yeah, like it just seems like without citizenship or without some definitive thing of who's a citizen or not, it's like, then it's not even a country.

01:29:55.000 It's like, and most every country The idea of there being no immigration laws for a country means that it's no longer a country.

01:30:03.000 But I also think it's like the opposite side of that, too, is like America's always – In theory, you know, America was was started as sort of this thing that was like that can maybe be like.

01:30:21.000 Like a sanctuary that like that like doesn't allow the doesn't allow monarchies and dictators and horrible things, you know, like as bad as America maybe has been in certain cases, like the fact that when.

01:30:40.000 They went and tried to rebuild.

01:30:42.000 In theory, America is supposed to be this vein that exists of, you know, its origination is from people who wanted to get away from monarchies and dictators.

01:30:53.000 And of course, like, it's so easy to pick on the Founding Fathers and all their faults and the crazy things they did, but it was centuries ago in a different culture, and they probably were all maniacs.

01:31:01.000 You'd have to be a maniac to go up against the world's biggest empire and take it on.

01:31:06.000 With a musket.

01:31:07.000 With a fucking, yeah, like, you'd have to be crazy.

01:31:10.000 And of course they had personality flaws.

01:31:12.000 But the reality is that here's the thing that sucks.

01:31:15.000 And it goes both ways.

01:31:16.000 There's a lot of things about people on the left that people on the right don't realize that they have in common.

01:31:21.000 And it's the same way with this.

01:31:23.000 It breaks my heart when people just totally trash the founding fathers, not because they were these morally...

01:31:30.000 probably not as bad as Beyonce, but pretty close.

01:31:32.000 And, you know, the fact like...

01:31:34.000 They were all bad.

01:31:35.000 We're humans.

01:31:36.000 We're flawed, inherently.

01:31:37.000 Even the best of us, even the ones who act like we're the best and the most, like we're all Religious freedom, it's like they didn't want religious freedom because they were not even necessarily because they wanted to go to church.

01:32:01.000 I always thought it was so weird that they were fighting for religion, but it wasn't they were fighting for religion.

01:32:06.000 They were fighting for the mandate of religion.

01:32:08.000 They were tired of the church.

01:32:10.000 And, like, I know it's not considered the church anymore, but there is still a church that dominates us and tries to control us now.

01:32:18.000 And, unfortunately, now the church is just sort of this weird thing.

01:32:21.000 But it's the zebra mentality, you know, among politicians.

01:32:24.000 It's like, it goes back to that, I think it's Jordan Peterson that talks about the zebras and how they'll do a study on zebras.

01:32:29.000 It's in the Maps of Meaning book, I believe, and they'll mark one red to study it.

01:32:33.000 And then the predators take that zebra down because the zebra's stripes aren't camouflaged to their surroundings.

01:32:39.000 They're camouflaged to each other, so they're not easily identifiable.

01:32:42.000 And so four or five lions can't take one zebra down if they all look the same.

01:32:45.000 And in politics, I believe that's what's happened, especially on the left.

01:32:49.000 You know, I had people in Nashville quit working with me because I talked about this when I was at the Ryman, but we had this dancing.

01:33:00.000 This chick that plays the fiddle, and she does flat dancing and stuff, named Hilary Klug, who lives in Nashville, and we had her come to the Ryman to do this show with us, and it was on a last-minute thing, and I'm about to introduce her, and I tell the crowd, I'm like, hey, you know, I said, I got Hilary about to come out, and I was like, but don't worry, it's not that Hilary, and just made a joke about it.

01:33:21.000 Somebody said something in the crowd, and I don't know, I just interact, and I just say what comes to mind, and I don't care, I don't worry about all that stuff.

01:33:29.000 People might think.

01:33:29.000 I just try to say what I feel.

01:33:31.000 But I was like, you know, isn't it crazy that somebody like Hillary, who not that long ago I can remember vividly as a child or in a teenage years, like, being completely against the idea of even having two people of the same gender be married.

01:33:42.000 Like, she was as against gay marriage as, like, any person on the far right is now.

01:33:49.000 And that was in my childhood or early teens.

01:33:51.000 And I said, and now that it's okay for kids to become transgender and go through, like, what Michael did. 0.94

01:33:57.000 That, to me, it just shows that it's all theatrics and that none of those people really have any real opinions about any of this stuff.

01:34:04.000 It's all about what'll sell.

01:34:05.000 Did you say this at the Ryman?

01:34:07.000 I said this at the Ryman.

01:34:08.000 And so I had my...

01:34:15.000 They just emailed my attorney and said they couldn't work with me anymore.

01:34:18.000 They were that mad about that.

01:34:21.000 Which tells you how far off the deep end.

01:34:26.000 But you're exactly right with all that.

01:34:30.000 It's difficult to convey that to people because there's so many emotions involved.

01:34:34.000 But at the end of the day, it's like...

01:34:40.000 I think we're all just like, like you said, we all are trying to just effectively accomplish the same thing, just in different ways.

01:34:47.000 And it's really easy to get angry at somebody that's on the same level as you than somebody that you don't even know exists, which is like with these private equity companies and these people in the background that do all this.

01:34:58.000 So what's happened is, going back to the zebra thing, what I think has happened is, especially in politics, the reason why Hillary Clinton can be a That's a great analogy.

01:35:22.000 Like Tulsi Gabbard or whatever, I don't know, name.

01:35:25.000 There's plenty of people besides.

01:35:27.000 That's just the first one that comes to mind that's like trying to be a Democrat and And upholding most of what the Democratic Party would have wanted her to uphold up until very recently, but because she didn't rearrange her stripes, it's like, you're dead.

01:35:40.000 But there's a whole bunch more like her, too, that aren't even in politics anymore.

01:35:44.000 But that's the way I see it now is it's like all these people.

01:35:48.000 And so, like, even with Big Donnie, you know, I wonder – I just wonder, even, I just don't trust, it's kind of my Alex Jones syndrome, but it's like, no matter how cool somebody seems like that, I think like, man, does him and Hillary really still chill?

01:36:03.000 Like, they're probably smoking a fat joint right now, this laugh, I don't know, like, you just don't really know, you don't really know, you're just, you have to see what you see, and you have to take it in, and just hope that you have, that somehow you have the discernment to know what's true or not, but you really just don't, I mean, even with me, man, so much crazy stuff that gets said and done, and I just don't even, When things come out about me that aren't true, I just don't even reply or acknowledge them anymore.

01:36:27.000 I just let them exist in their own little space and be part of it.

01:36:29.000 And I've just decided that, again, we're just in this crazy thing where all this stuff happens.

01:36:34.000 And it's just...

01:36:36.000 I don't know.

01:36:51.000 What you said about the zebras and the stripes is so fucking perfect. 1.00

01:36:54.000 One of my favorite clips is Hillary Clinton when she was running, I think it was 2012.

01:37:06.000 2008, right?

01:37:08.000 Who?

01:37:09.000 Obama?

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:10.000 It might have been 2008.

01:37:11.000 But she was running, and she was more MAGA than MAGA.

01:37:15.000 She was talking about the border and about people coming over here.

01:37:19.000 If you want to stay, you get a stiff fine.

01:37:21.000 And if you've done anything illegal, you get exported.

01:37:23.000 No questions asked.

01:37:25.000 Listen to this.

01:37:26.000 Give me this full volume from the beginning.

01:37:30.000 Wait till you hear this.

01:37:31.000 This is wild.

01:37:34.000 I think we've got to have tough conditions.

01:37:36.000 Tell people to come out of the shadows.

01:37:38.000 If they've committed a crime, deport them.

01:37:40.000 No questions asked.

01:37:41.000 They're gone.

01:37:43.000 If they've been working and are law-abiding, we should say, here are the conditions for you staying.

01:37:51.000 You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. 1.00

01:37:53.000 You have to pay back taxes.

01:37:56.000 And you have to try to learn English.

01:37:58.000 And you have to wait in line.

01:38:02.000 You have to wait in line.

01:38:03.000 That's so MAGA.

01:38:04.000 I mean, that's...

01:38:06.000 But it just proves the point that none of that really means...

01:38:16.000 Like, none of that meant anything.

01:38:17.000 You know, like, none of that.

01:38:19.000 I don't think she even believed when she said it back then.

01:38:21.000 Well, she thought it was what the country wanted to hear.

01:38:23.000 That's all it is.

01:38:24.000 It's all focus group shit.

01:38:26.000 It's all what the country wants to hear and what the party agrees upon, what the zebras all agree on. 0.96

01:38:31.000 When you just said that, that's it perfectly.

01:38:33.000 And as it morphs, as it gets into trans kids, you've got to support trans people in the military, whatever it is, they just all fucking hop in line. 0.99

01:38:40.000 What flag am I putting in my Twitter bar?

01:38:42.000 And to go back to what you said at the beginning about those kids that are riding, and they don't really even know what they're riding.

01:38:49.000 they got the mask on but they're doing this and it's like I guess what I mean is is there's a bunch of human beings on earth especially now like in our But there's all these people who are really angry.

01:39:07.000 It's the reason why there's so many of these videos where they interview the Antifa dudes, and they don't really even know why.

01:39:15.000 They're not really able to articulate why they're there or what they believe.

01:39:18.000 They're just there to riot. 0.67

01:39:22.000 There's this general anger that I think has But it's just too complex, at least individually, and through the means of the internet for us to identify who our enemies really are.

01:39:37.000 And so instead, it's like, let's just go catch some shit on fire, because at least it feels like we're doing something.

01:39:44.000 But I think there's a lot more in common between the patriotic cosplaying type people who talk all the time about that and the people who are like Antifa.

01:39:58.000 I actually think that they're two of the same cloth. 0.53

01:40:01.000 They both just don't really realize it.

01:40:04.000 I think like...

01:40:20.000 I'll give you another great example.

01:40:24.000 When I was younger, I'd go to some of these protests in D.C. and stuff, and I would always stay at George Washington University with these kids.

01:40:34.000 We were all in our early 20s, probably, and we're all very, like, at that point, there wasn't any, like, real political identity to it.

01:40:41.000 I don't think those people would have called themselves left back then.

01:40:44.000 But you better believe most of them ended up going to all the Black Bloc and the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter and every other protest there was just because they wanted to go protest. 0.82

01:40:52.000 They just are like, you know, like it's like it's like, yeah, it's like it's a thing of of of like rebelling against the system.

01:41:01.000 It doesn't really the machine.

01:41:02.000 It doesn't really matter what part of the system it is or if it really even makes any sense.

01:41:06.000 You just know that that's yeah, it's like I think I think that's what I mean is through the means of the Internet.

01:41:11.000 I don't think we'll ever be able to organize all those people together in a way that's productive.

01:41:14.000 But I do think in real life we can.

01:41:16.000 I do think I do think through I think music is I think that's why I want to focus mostly on music.

01:41:21.000 Music and like trying to influence in a way to where the rich don't control it and the rich don't choose what songs we listen to and what songs make it on the charts like we do.

01:41:30.000 I think that's the first step.

01:41:31.000 I think I actually think music is something like.

01:41:40.000 And I guarantee you a lot of people who voted differently listen to the same exact lyrics and resonate with them.

01:41:47.000 That's all I mean.

01:41:49.000 We've just been mass distracted and misled is all.

01:41:53.000 Also when you get these kind of organized protests, they're all organized with this one thought in mind like there there's unlawful And we got to stop this.

01:42:08.000 These are all, you know, oligarchs are involved and this is a dictatorship.

01:42:13.000 And they feel like they're fighting against something bad.

01:42:16.000 And if they're uninformed, and who the fuck who's 21 is informed?

01:42:20.000 You know, most people who are young, especially if you're going to college, you're around a bunch of other like-minded people in an echo chamber, and you're all trying to, like, And then there's also the thing of being on the ground with a bunch of other people that are moving in a certain direction.

01:42:44.000 To me, I think it ignites a thing.

01:42:48.000 I think there's things inside of us that get ignited.

01:42:51.000 One of them is like, the best way to describe it is like fishing.

01:42:55.000 You know when you go fishing?

01:42:57.000 I've seen people catch their first fish.

01:42:59.000 When that fish gets on the line, you get excited.

01:43:03.000 Everybody gets excited because it's this ancient thing inside of you that lets you know you're now successful.

01:43:09.000 Your family's going to eat.

01:43:11.000 You caught a fish.

01:43:12.000 And it just sparks it inside of you.

01:43:14.000 It does it with bow hunting, but very few people are going to go bow hunting.

01:43:17.000 But the other thing that it does it with is war.

01:43:20.000 And protests are like war.

01:43:22.000 You're marching.

01:43:23.000 You're all together.

01:43:24.000 Who's opposing us?

01:43:25.000 Fuck them!

01:43:26.000 And everyone's all aggressive, and they're all chanting, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, fuck us, fuck us, fuck us.

01:43:33.000 And you think you're doing the right thing.

01:43:35.000 You think you're doing the right thing.

01:43:36.000 And then you see shit like cops shooting rubber bullets at robots.

01:43:40.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

01:43:41.000 These people are garbage.

01:43:43.000 Like, how are you shooting a reporter?

01:43:44.000 That's not what you're supposed to shoot.

01:43:46.000 But I think the problem now is that it's too complicated to be able to dissect it and correct it.

01:43:53.000 Like, with these ICE protests, though.

01:43:56.000 In other words, there's been such a heavily disputed and mismanaged protocol over immigration my entire life.

01:44:03.000 So now it's like you can't now just go in and just try to.

01:44:08.000 People are going to protest, though, and you just all of a sudden go in and try to just, like, clean house all at once.

01:44:13.000 It's like we've never even really established as a country what it is.

01:44:17.000 Because, like, because...

01:44:27.000 They would be a racist and taken off the internet for saying what Hillary said on there about having to speak English and stuff. 0.96

01:44:34.000 For sure.

01:44:35.000 But there's a big difference between protests and organized protests where you're paying people and then you're leaving bricks around.

01:44:42.000 It's a bastardization.

01:44:44.000 They've taken over the thing, the virtue of this thing, like this part of the First Amendment, your right to express yourself.

01:44:51.000 The right for the people to get together and say, hey, this is not cool.

01:44:54.000 And they've distorted it with money, like everything else.

01:44:58.000 Yeah.

01:44:59.000 And they've used it as a political tool.

01:45:01.000 I would think maybe that that's happened a lot, though, even in the past with civil rights and everything else.

01:45:07.000 A lot of that was much more organized than it was made...

01:45:10.000 Like I didn't know until just a couple years ago like I've learned the story all through school and heard it a million times about Rosa Parks But I didn't realize until a couple years ago that she was part of some I don't even know what she was part of, but she was part of some organization, and it was like a planned thing.

01:45:26.000 I was always taught it like she just spontaneously did it.

01:45:29.000 But I think there's just every...

01:45:38.000 Right.

01:45:38.000 Most things have been manipulated if they can be manipulated.

01:45:41.000 Once they realize they can manipulate people, they started, and they probably started that a long time ago.

01:45:46.000 I mean, we've talked about it a million times, so that's why Smedley Butler wrote War is a Racket in 1933.

01:45:53.000 You know, Major General Smedley Butler, who was, they tried to get him to overthrow the fucking government with a coup, and he wouldn't do it.

01:46:00.000 And then he writes this book about how every single Operation he was involved with.

01:46:04.000 He thought they were doing this, but really they were just making it safe for bankers.

01:46:08.000 They're really just overthrowing a government, installing a friendly one.

01:46:12.000 It's like it's been going on since they could.

01:46:15.000 And back then it was way easier to pull off because there was no internet where you could pull off a Hillary Clinton video from more than a decade ago and go, look at her. 0.90

01:46:23.000 She's pretty MAGA. 0.99

01:46:25.000 You could put a fucking red hat on that lady and she'd be standing on that stage right next to RFK Jr., you know? 1.00

01:46:31.000 Yeah, and it's just because there's such an information overload.

01:46:36.000 Stuff like that will always be forgotten about too soon, too, for it to make a difference.

01:46:40.000 She could have been Trump's vice president back then.

01:46:43.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 Like, no bullshit.

01:46:45.000 She would have been like queen mom of Trump land. 0.98

01:46:48.000 There would be people with Hillary Clinton flags flying behind their pickup trucks with her, with like two fists in the air, with a MAGA hat on. 1.00

01:46:56.000 I'm not bullshitting.

01:46:57.000 But I remember even back then, like, well, you know, the one, But even, you know, back then I remember they were trying to, like, I guess he got kicked off of Saturday Night Live because of that, right?

01:47:15.000 Was it because of the Clinton specific?

01:47:16.000 Or it might have been because of...

01:47:19.000 There was something else.

01:47:20.000 Yeah, but there's...

01:47:25.000 Noah was one of the funniest people of all time.

01:47:27.000 And his weekend update, that thing that he would do, was fucking fantastic.

01:47:31.000 He was the best ever at it.

01:47:33.000 He was so good.

01:47:34.000 And the jokes were so...

01:47:38.000 Back when you could, you know?

01:47:40.000 And if that's what got him kicked off of Saturday Night Live, great.

01:47:43.000 Makes him even more of a legend.

01:47:45.000 Even more.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, I think that's what's important about...

01:47:49.000 I'm not a fan of all the real crazy, vulgar humor sometimes and stuff.

01:47:54.000 I'm more of a norm type of comedy guy.

01:47:56.000 I like the more goofy stuff that's not constantly talking about penises and stuff.

01:48:01.000 Or whatever it is, sex and everything else.

01:48:09.000 I think it's important that there's this place that exists here in Austin that freedom of speech will always be in.

01:48:15.000 It's such a critical thing, especially now more than ever.

01:48:19.000 It's critical for everybody, even if you don't agree with it.

01:48:21.000 And that's what's so hard for people to recognize.

01:48:23.000 When people don't have a voice and someone has a voice and that voice is different than their opinion, they want to shut it down.

01:48:30.000 They want to silence it.

01:48:31.000 And they want to elevate their voice.

01:48:33.000 Nature.

01:48:34.000 Just pure, natural.

01:48:37.000 It's natural instincts that human beings have.

01:48:39.000 And you've got to resist that because you've got to realize you don't want that used on you, right?

01:48:43.000 Well, then don't use it on other people.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, well, everyone's guilty.

01:48:46.000 When I was at the ARC where we spoke at that thing in London, there was a talk we went to, I think, the next night that was about freedom of speech.

01:48:55.000 And I can't remember who all was speaking there.

01:48:58.000 It was some people that I should probably remember, but I yeah, but they they were talking about They're arresting people for political things that they put online in Europe.

01:49:18.000 Not even giving them very obscure reasoning as to why whatever this is.

01:49:23.000 In some cases, they won't even tell them what they're arresting them for.

01:49:26.000 And so like the cause of what these people are doing is very important.

01:49:28.000 But the whole time they're just they're referring to it as the woke mind virus, which is, yeah, sure.

01:49:33.000 Funny put in a bit or whatever.

01:49:34.000 But God, like, no, what it is, is it's like the government using this one specific thing out of a list of things that they could as part of this moral high ground to arrest people for speaking out against.

01:49:46.000 Not because it has nothing to do with anything on the left or the right.

01:49:49.000 It's the fact that the state would love for people to not be allowed to criticize anything because then that means they can't criticize them.

01:49:54.000 100%.

01:49:55.000 But by them saying woke mind virus every five minutes while they're talking about it, it just...

01:49:59.000 Immediately polarizes half the people who they need to get on board in order to stop it, which is the left who it's like I don't know.

01:50:05.000 There's just um I don't know.

01:50:08.000 I think I might try to...

01:50:09.000 One of these days, I might just try to give the old thing a run and see.

01:50:12.000 But I really think I could...

01:50:18.000 It would probably end in a nuclear war, but I think it'd be pretty interesting, I think. 0.93

01:50:23.000 You're going to run for office?

01:50:25.000 If you will.

01:50:26.000 Fuck that!

01:50:27.000 No!

01:50:28.000 No, I'm not on the same page.

01:50:31.000 Vermin Supreme, call me up.

01:50:32.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:50:33.000 I don't think I would.

01:50:34.000 I might do like a governor run somewhere or something or a mayor.

01:50:38.000 Maybe I'll start with mayor.

01:50:39.000 Maybe that's a good way.

01:50:40.000 That seems like a terrible job, dude.

01:50:41.000 Don't do it.

01:50:42.000 I would say don't do it.

01:50:44.000 But if you have to do it, do it.

01:50:45.000 I mean, someone should do it that's like you.

01:50:47.000 I just remember my whole life, like since I was a kid, people were like, man, what would happen if just we got some regular dude in there and like all this?

01:50:54.000 It's just like, I don't know.

01:50:55.000 You'd probably get immediately disillusioned.

01:50:57.000 You'd realize the entanglements that exist, and I think it's impossible to navigate.

01:51:02.000 I think once you get in there, you're like, holy shit.

01:51:06.000 And when I talk to people that are in this administration now that weren't before, And you're dealing with a machine that's been operating pretty much unchecked for decades.

01:51:34.000 Let's check him out.

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 Give him the old check.

01:51:36.000 Look what they did to Elon.

01:51:37.000 He tried to check him out.

01:51:38.000 They turned him into a Nazi. 0.71

01:51:40.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 I mean, it's like...

01:51:42.000 Well, do you think was there...

01:51:45.000 this is like, this is actually something I wanted to ask you about at one point or another.

01:51:48.000 Anyway, it was your take on like the Elon Trump situation.

01:51:51.000 But you know, Do you think things are cool now?

01:51:56.000 Supposedly they had a long conversation on the phone.

01:51:58.000 But the argument behind it was that they felt like Trump wasn't letting Elon...

01:52:09.000 It really fascinated me that it seemed like they were both using Doge for different reasons, maybe, or they had different motivations behind it.

01:52:18.000 But what if it was like a genuine— What if there was genuine audits done on everything?

01:52:24.000 And what if all that stuff did get uncovered?

01:52:26.000 And what if somebody wasn't scared to just release all that stuff and the consequences of it?

01:52:30.000 People do deserve the truth.

01:52:31.000 Well, they've released some of it, right?

01:52:33.000 So we know a lot about USAID now.

01:52:35.000 We know what that was.

01:52:37.000 We know what crazy programs were in place.

01:52:39.000 We know through Mike Benz's work, the way he describes USAID as doing things that are too dirty for the CIA.

01:52:46.000 He describes it being used for regime change.

01:52:49.000 But under the name aid, it seems like it's just aid.

01:52:52.000 Oh, we're helping people.

01:52:53.000 It's Agency for International Development is what it really stands for.

01:52:57.000 So there's that.

01:52:58.000 That's been dismantled.

01:52:59.000 The thing is they're not spending less money.

01:53:02.000 They're spending more money.

01:53:03.000 They're spending like a trillion dollars on the Pentagon.

01:53:07.000 The whole thing is kind of nuts because nobody wants to stop spending money.

01:53:11.000 Nobody wants to lose their job.

01:53:12.000 And they're all in a position where they have influence.

01:53:16.000 Thousands of different points of influence.

01:53:18.000 And if you're the president or the vice president or, you know, any of these fucking people, it's a very difficult road.

01:53:26.000 One of the things that I felt like was the most important was Bobby Kennedy.

01:53:29.000 Because Bobby Kennedy getting in there, he was determined to find out what is the root cause of America's massive health crisis that we're all facing.

01:53:38.000 Like, why are we having this?

01:53:40.000 Why do we have Different toxins that are in our foods that are banned in Europe.

01:53:45.000 Why are we allowing the use of these different things that we know are terrible for the body?

01:53:50.000 Why is there not greater scrutiny on these pharmaceutical drug corporations?

01:53:54.000 Why are they able to lie and get away with it and prescribe things for people that don't need them and not be responsible for the health consequences of these things?

01:54:04.000 And that this needs to be cleaned up.

01:54:06.000 And so that's what he's doing right now.

01:54:08.000 I'm very happy.

01:54:09.000 And I hope that he can really make meaningful changes.

01:54:11.000 Because it seems like he is.

01:54:13.000 He fired the 17 people that were the head of the vaccine schedule.

01:54:18.000 And he's hired a bunch of new people.

01:54:20.000 They're all very qualified.

01:54:22.000 One of them being Robert Malone.

01:54:23.000 Robert Malone, the guy that everybody said was a kook that I got in trouble for initially for having on my podcast when they were trying to – This is over Robert Malone.

01:54:36.000 Robert Malone, who...

01:54:42.000 Certifiable genius.

01:54:44.000 Unquestionably.

01:54:45.000 They were calling him a kook.

01:54:46.000 This guy's a kook. 1.00

01:54:47.000 A guy who took the vaccine and had a horrible reaction.

01:54:50.000 They were calling him a kook.

01:54:51.000 So that guy being a part of this administration, being a part of the Make America Healthy Again movement, very important.

01:54:59.000 All that stuff is very important for everybody.

01:55:02.000 Republicans, not Democrats.

01:55:03.000 If there's any area where we should be bipartisan on, it's that.

01:55:07.000 And realizing that corporations have taken advantage of loopholes and of a bunch of different creepy laws that allowed them to poison you.

01:55:17.000 And you're getting poisoned and you're addicted to this poison.

01:55:20.000 and there's a way out of this.

01:55:21.000 Well, he's...

01:55:27.000 He and I actually met.

01:55:30.000 He came out to the property where we filmed Richmond and all, and I met him.

01:55:34.000 This was before he got linked up with Trump.

01:55:36.000 This was during all that, and he was still running for himself.

01:55:39.000 But we had a long conversation about this concept for a healing center, which is like this thing that he's been kind of like, as a part of all this, which is kind of the idea of people going out into nature.

01:55:50.000 Like, learning how to grow food and learning how to, like, because in this never-ending abyss of chaos where everything's changing so fast and nothing, you know, nature is, nature has been affected by that through, like, some, you know, through chemicals and technology and other things, but for the most part, it's all the systems in nature, all the organization there and all that stuff.

01:56:14.000 is sort of like the last thing that's untouched by man.

01:56:17.000 You know, when you go out on two or 300 acres and you just sit there and you're watching the water go by, it's like you just sort of, you take everything that we've talked about, But meanwhile, nature just sort of exists and does its thing.

01:56:37.000 And it's like...

01:56:51.000 100%.

01:56:52.000 100%.

01:56:52.000 Like, gosh, dude, that's the only thing that saves me, especially being a little bit, probably a little bit too introverted for this job position.

01:57:00.000 You know, going out on tour even for a weekend or two, we're like, dude, by the time Sunday comes and we get through this and these two mothership shows, We got West Virginia next weekend, but I'll spend this whole week.

01:57:10.000 I probably won't talk to anybody except for immediate family.

01:57:14.000 I'll just go sit out in the woods with the dogs and just watch the birds chirp and all that.

01:57:18.000 That sounds amazing.

01:57:19.000 There's something really important about that that I want to understand.

01:57:25.000 If you can take 200 or 300 acres, what can you plant on it that brings in the types of nature that benefit?

01:57:33.000 I want to conduct studies on everything from birds to plants to wildlife to different types.

01:57:40.000 How do you put a human being who is so screwed up in the most optimal condition to heal and to fix?

01:57:46.000 Because it's obviously not the case.

01:57:48.000 You're not going to go to a mental institution.

01:57:50.000 And I'm not even suggesting for people who should be in a mental institution.

01:57:52.000 I just mean like, you know, people who, like a guy I know who...

01:58:00.000 How do you get him into a spot where he can just go out and roll?

01:58:04.000 It's hard to fix that part of your brain living in a city or living in a suburb.

01:58:12.000 So yeah, it's just like this crazy dream I have where it's a way to rebel against all of this without rebelling.

01:58:19.000 It's just creating a better way to do it.

01:58:20.000 But imagine if he's like, this is like the pilot program for this thing where it's this sort of outdoor amphitheater and it's like very immersive and in nature and you can like re-unlock these parts of your brain you talked about that are sort of very primitive to us and then just emulate it over a period of time.

01:58:36.000 So I'm doing these shows where they're,

01:58:54.000 how to sell the show, where to put the stage, how to set everything up, here's all the vendors to use, and then give them this blueprint where they can do it over and over and over again and just build these sort of sanctuaries that exist all over the country that can't be molested and preyed upon by all those big companies and all their companies.

01:59:08.000 And I think inherently by doing that through like music and public speaking and other things those spaces will almost serve as like Like the way that communities thrive again and the way people reconnect and I joke and say that like I everyone

01:59:51.000 That's why psychedelics are still illegal.

01:59:52.000 And there's so much misunderstanding and misconception and just confusion even there.

01:59:57.000 Our brains are just so infinitely complex even.

02:00:03.000 Nature's definitely a part of your health.

02:00:05.000 Without nature, I don't think you really get totally healthy.

02:00:08.000 We're a part of nature.

02:00:09.000 like we're a natural thing existing in a world that we've created that isn't natural and so like this is all you know We sort of get isolated inside of it, especially when we're on our phone all the time.

02:00:29.000 Yeah, especially.

02:00:31.000 I blade off social media and it's amazing.

02:00:34.000 It's like it lifts this weight off your brain.

02:00:37.000 How do you manage social...

02:00:39.000 This is one thing I really have a hard time with, and it makes...

02:00:42.000 I feel bad because I end up upsetting people or whatever, but, like, how do you...

02:00:52.000 And it's not even that they want to bother you.

02:00:54.000 But how do you manage that?

02:00:56.000 Do you just have a small social circle?

02:00:57.000 Are you just really social?

02:01:00.000 There's people where I just won't text them back for months, and then they think I hate them.

02:01:04.000 And it's not that I hate them.

02:01:05.000 It's just like I can't just sit and text.

02:01:07.000 I just can't send hundreds of texts every day.

02:01:09.000 How do you balance all that?

02:01:11.000 Yeah, you've got to keep changing your phone number.

02:01:15.000 But you also got to get comfortable with not texting people back because you can't text everybody back.

02:01:20.000 Look at my phone.

02:01:21.000 Want to see something?

02:01:22.000 I'll show you this.

02:01:24.000 Look and see how many unread text messages I have in the upper left-hand corner.

02:01:30.000 What does it say?

02:01:33.000 623.

02:01:34.000 Yeah, good luck.

02:01:35.000 How?

02:01:37.000 How am I going to read those?

02:01:38.000 I know.

02:01:40.000 It's not possible.

02:01:41.000 I think it goes back to my...

02:01:51.000 So, I don't know.

02:01:51.000 That's why, yeah, I've bought that flip phone that I carry, and there's just times.

02:01:55.000 It's a good move.

02:01:56.000 You get your brain back.

02:01:57.000 It's also tough, though, because there's people I do want to stay in contact with, like, you know.

02:02:02.000 Yeah, but you can always reach out to them.

02:02:04.000 Yeah.

02:02:04.000 It's like, you know, we have this idea of immediate.

02:02:07.000 Interaction with people that it's necessary.

02:02:09.000 It's important.

02:02:10.000 And sometimes it is important.

02:02:11.000 Like maybe there's something going on.

02:02:13.000 Maybe your wife is pregnant. 0.99

02:02:14.000 Like who knows, right?

02:02:15.000 You need immediate contact.

02:02:16.000 But most of the time you don't.

02:02:18.000 The vast majority of the time you don't.

02:02:20.000 We lived a long time without it.

02:02:22.000 Yeah.

02:02:22.000 I mean, you don't want to not be there for somebody who needs you in an emergency.

02:02:26.000 But other than that.

02:02:28.000 It's good to be free.

02:02:31.000 It's better for your brain.

02:02:33.000 Like I was saying, I don't think we're supposed to be getting the bad news from 8 billion people.

02:02:37.000 It's just too nuts.

02:02:39.000 I don't think we're even supposed to socialize with that many.

02:02:41.000 I mean, we thrive in smaller...

02:02:43.000 I mean, that's why all these...

02:02:46.000 Yeah, we definitely thrive in smaller...

02:02:49.000 Keep a tight tribe.

02:02:51.000 Yeah.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, keep a tight tribe.

02:02:53.000 Keep a tight tribe of people that are cool and make it so it's beneficial to everybody so there's no resentment.

02:02:59.000 One of the things that happens when a guy gets really famous like you're getting is that you can have the wrong people around you.

02:03:08.000 Maybe you look past some of the resentful behavior that they showed when you weren't successful and then it manifests itself.

02:03:16.000 When you're successful, you could tell someone around you actually wants you to fuck up.

02:03:21.000 I've seen that happen with friends.

02:03:22.000 It's a terrible place to be.

02:03:24.000 There just has to be some kind of way that I don't have to be famous, though.

02:03:27.000 There's a way where this is...

02:03:29.000 Yeah, but there's a way where this is like, I'm just...

02:03:32.000 Like, I don't know.

02:03:33.000 It's gotten a lot better, but...

02:03:37.000 I just this is the path that you've been given in this world.

02:03:40.000 I just mean that I just mean that like I should like I just don't want I'm just some dude that's written a song.

02:03:48.000 Like I said, this is a collective thing.

02:03:52.000 If you look at the rate of people who buy my songs on iTunes versus most label artists, it's comically disproportionate.

02:04:01.000 people buy my songs out of support and stuff.

02:04:04.000 And so what I'm saying is that this is like a thing, In my mind, this is just a thing where we're all equal.

02:04:12.000 And it just happens to be.

02:04:14.000 This is the music catalog that we're giving people a middle finger with, but I wouldn't for a second want to ever think that, like, I don't want to feel...

02:04:27.000 That's not necessary.

02:04:28.000 This is just something where I'm just so excited to see where this can go in the sense of like, And like I said, it's just exciting that some just full-blown idiot like me with a couple of his buddies can figure out how to do this and rally enough support up behind it.

02:04:42.000 I'm just like, what could really happen if things were like...

02:05:01.000 You know, you don't have to become better than people You don't have to think you're better than people just because you're famous.

02:05:05.000 You can maintain who you are.

02:05:06.000 It's totally doable.

02:05:07.000 Totally.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, I do it I'm just me.

02:05:10.000 I'm the same person.

02:05:11.000 You are yeah I've been doing it the same and that's one of the reasons why I do the podcast the exact same way I do it the same way I don't think, oh, this is going to be a big one.

02:05:19.000 Everybody asks, that's the first thing a lot of people ask is, how is Joe Rogan?

02:05:23.000 And I was like, he's Joe Rogan.

02:05:27.000 Just be you all day.

02:05:29.000 Yeah, like, if you've watched him on the podcast, you've seen him in real life.

02:05:32.000 You've seen me at my worst, and you've seen me at my best.

02:05:35.000 That's it.

02:05:37.000 You know, I'm a human being, just like anybody else.

02:05:39.000 This is why I encourage everybody who wants to do something like this to go do it.

02:05:43.000 Anybody can do this.

02:05:44.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:05:45.000 You might not do it this well immediately because you're going to learn how to do it, but it's like everything.

02:05:50.000 You can learn how to do it.

02:05:52.000 You can learn how to sing.

02:05:53.000 You can learn how to do stand-up.

02:05:54.000 You can learn how to play guitar.

02:05:56.000 You can learn how to draw.

02:05:59.000 You can.

02:06:00.000 Some people can do it better than you.

02:06:02.000 Some people are naturally talented in different areas, you know, especially when it comes to athletics.

02:06:07.000 But you can do it.

02:06:09.000 You can do it.

02:06:10.000 You can get better.

02:06:10.000 And getting better at something and doing something is beneficial to the whole of your life.

02:06:16.000 Because if you can apply those same principles to everything, you can get better at everything.

02:06:22.000 And you get better at being a person.

02:06:23.000 And inspire other people.

02:06:26.000 The more good that you can do and the more you can put out, the more it inspires others to do, too.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, the more work you put out, too.

02:06:33.000 The more songs you put out, like Scornful Woman. 1.00

02:06:35.000 The more stuff that really resonates with people.

02:06:37.000 It affects people, man.

02:06:39.000 It's that wings of the butterfly, man.

02:06:42.000 You're really spreading it out.

02:06:45.000 It'll inspire more people to write songs.

02:06:47.000 It'll inspire more people to do things.

02:06:50.000 It'll inspire people to write books.

02:06:52.000 That's what we do.

02:06:53.000 We inspire people.

02:06:54.000 People inspire people.

02:06:56.000 And people, by doing something that we know is difficult and they get through it and they create something, like, wow!

02:07:02.000 And you go to see, you know, fucking U2 with the Sphere, like, wow!

02:07:06.000 You know, that's what it's all about, man.

02:07:08.000 You know, that's the beautiful thing that is this kind of artistic connection that you have with the community, with the people that enjoy your work.

02:07:19.000 As long as you respect that and as long as you understand what it is.

02:07:23.000 You'll be great.

02:07:24.000 You're just going to have to deal with being famous, bitch. 1.00

02:07:26.000 I do think you're actually right.

02:07:31.000 I probably was a little misspoken.

02:07:35.000 Now that you've said what you said about AI being able to replace music and stuff, I do agree that there is a part of it that AI will never understand the human experience enough to be able to write music about it.

02:07:47.000 That captivates people in a way that music can, that's been written by people.

02:07:50.000 I do agree with that.

02:07:51.000 They can make it sound better and cooler and catchier, but I do think the people that are really writing it are the ones that really write.

02:08:01.000 Just to talk about the songwriting process with Scornful.

02:08:09.000 We had just gotten done with the touring over the summer for the most part in 2024.

02:08:15.000 Well, obviously things are what they are, but there was just multiple different negative things happening at once, and I kind of got in a spot where I did my thing where I sort of spiraled and just was isolating myself, and so I spent a month and a half or two months in that house, pretty much.

02:08:31.000 I didn't do Thanksgiving or Christmas last year.

02:08:35.000 I just really didn't hardly talk to anybody or anything.

02:08:38.000 And so I was like at a...

02:08:45.000 And there's a few things I do want to clarify, too, talking about all this.

02:08:50.000 So anyway, me, Draven from Radio WV, and Joey are all sitting in the kitchen of this house where we recorded the song, and it's probably in the fall sometime.

02:08:59.000 Joey is 3 in the morning, right?

02:09:01.000 We were all just wired.

02:09:05.000 I can think about Joey talking about really wanting to write a song and so him and Draven were asking me about my songwriting process and what I do and so like I just went and got the guitar and I said we were sitting there around the table and I can remember it was me and Joey sitting here and Draven leaning up against the counter and we were just talking about it and I said well I said if you're going to write a song I was like the first thing you got to do is figure out what you're going to write about and it's got to be something that you feel not something that you can just articulate about it's got to be something that's like in there that needs to come out you know and so we sat there for like 10 seconds and

02:09:34.000 Scornful woman was the word that was used. 1.00

02:09:37.000 It was specific relationships, but also it was a collection of the experiences that we'd all had.

02:09:45.000 We'd all had horrible relationships, too.

02:09:47.000 Of course, we all have.

02:09:48.000 Every dude on Earth has been through what that song talks about in one way or another.

02:09:53.000 Can we play it?

02:09:54.000 Let's cue it up.

02:09:55.000 Let's cue it up.

02:09:56.000 Jamie, cue it up.

02:09:57.000 But within two or three minutes, the whole song was written.

02:09:59.000 It just came out.

02:10:03.000 AI's not going to do that.

02:10:06.000 There's things that resonate in that song that AI's never going to be able to understand.

02:10:11.000 And that's the thing.

02:10:13.000 That's the thing that's going to separate people from the machine.

02:10:16.000 And live performance.

02:10:18.000 This kind of stuff.

02:10:19.000 This kind of stuff right here.

02:10:22.000 Mercer County, West Virginia.

02:10:24.000 Virginia.

02:10:25.000 *music*

02:10:37.000 Well, she got a side to her I want to run from.

02:10:43.000 She'll turn a warm afternoon into a cold, cold one. 0.51

02:10:50.000 Well, he grabbed the apple and Adam took a bite.

02:10:56.000 And now all these years later And the mass still ain't right With a scornful woman Scornful woman I used to sleep so good Didn't have a night 1.00

02:11:21.000 I was busy dreaming, believing he's always gonna be right there.

02:11:28.000 And now the middle of the day is like the middle of the night.

02:11:34.000 And the court says 50-50.

02:11:38.000 But the math don't seem right with a scornful woman. 1.00

02:11:43.000 A scornful woman. 1.00

02:11:49.000 guitar solo

02:12:19.000 And they can keep all the fame.

02:12:24.000 I'd go back to being broke as a joke.

02:12:30.000 If I could just get a break from the pain.

02:12:33.000 guitar solo And they can keep all the pain.

02:12:58.000 guitar solo It's in the description of the video.

02:13:20.000 But the biggest shout out of all this is to the firefighter that we were.

02:13:27.000 I think it's out of Brazil.

02:13:28.000 But the name of the firefighter is in the description, but for the GoPro footage, it was really cool he let us use that.

02:13:34.000 Oh, so that's a real fire.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, that's a real firefighting GoPro video that we found, and we reached out to the guy and asked him if we could use it.

02:13:41.000 That's cool.

02:13:42.000 But I just wanted to give him a shout-out on here.

02:13:44.000 There we go.

02:13:45.000 Joseph, volunteer firefighter for Third Company.

02:13:48.000 Bomb Los Guindos in Chile. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Oh, in Chile.

02:13:52.000 Sorry, yeah.

02:13:52.000 That's awesome.

02:13:54.000 My mind's been in kind of a blur lately, so I should have remembered that right.

02:13:58.000 That's all right.

02:13:58.000 We got it.

02:13:59.000 That's awesome.

02:14:00.000 Fucking song, dude.

02:14:02.000 Woo! 0.99

02:14:03.000 That song's a firecracker.

02:14:05.000 I can't wait for you to hear some of the...

02:14:11.000 I'll leak like 20 seconds in one of the other ones.

02:14:14.000 When is it going to come out?

02:14:15.000 I don't know when the next ones will.

02:14:19.000 I don't even want to say a day because I don't know.

02:14:21.000 I'm such a procrastinator.

02:14:22.000 I want to say within a month or so.

02:14:24.000 What are you doing with it?

02:14:25.000 Are you changing anything on it or are you just not releasing it yet?

02:14:29.000 I just need to get my life together a little bit.

02:14:33.000 Just release it right now.

02:14:35.000 Put it out on the show.

02:14:36.000 Send it to Jamie.

02:14:39.000 I'll play like 30 seconds.

02:14:40.000 I don't even have like a full file of anything on here.

02:14:44.000 I've just got stuff that I've recorded off my phone.

02:14:46.000 But just to give you an idea of like some of the other stuff I'm working on.

02:14:49.000 Like this one.

02:14:51.000 Let me see.

02:14:53.000 Which one of these?

02:14:55.000 They're all just say like new recording 432.

02:14:57.000 So I got to remember which.

02:14:58.000 Like probably this one's probably one.

02:15:02.000 I don't know if this will be right or not.

02:15:03.000 but this will give you an idea of something.

02:15:43.000 But anyway, I got a few more that are like pretty heavy.

02:15:46.000 I don't know what they are.

02:15:48.000 I don't know.

02:15:48.000 People will figure it out.

02:15:49.000 There's something.

02:15:50.000 I don't like to even try to describe any of that stuff because I don't know what it is.

02:15:54.000 So are you going to release it all as a full album or are you going to just do it like song at a time?

02:16:00.000 Probably just song at a time right now, just'cause it's simpler that way.

02:16:03.000 Yeah, and then I'll just, I don't know what the long-term plan You don't need a long-term plan.

02:16:14.000 Just keep doing what you like doing.

02:16:16.000 Yeah, I will.

02:16:17.000 Yeah, this is all long-term plan shit.

02:16:19.000 That's people with vision boards.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:16:22.000 I've just tried to take it.

02:16:25.000 I do have to think long-term, though, because I want to make the most of this.

02:16:30.000 I don't know, man.

02:16:31.000 The only thing I want, like, I just want to look back when I'm old and just think, like, Like, we did this thing.

02:16:38.000 Well, if you just keep doing what you're doing, you will do that.

02:16:41.000 100%.

02:16:41.000 Yeah, but I mean bigger.

02:16:42.000 I just want to see, like, I just want to see the, I just want to, I just want to watch the machine crumble, you know?

02:16:49.000 Like, I just, I have this, like, thing inside of me that...

02:16:54.000 It'll still exist in some form, but, you know, as long as you can thrive without it, it doesn't matter.

02:17:03.000 It really doesn't matter.

02:17:04.000 And more people realize that there's a way to do it that's authentic.

02:17:08.000 There's always going to be people that are drawn to that.

02:17:10.000 And it'll be more and more people as things get more and more disconnected and feel less and less human.

02:17:15.000 Yeah.

02:17:16.000 There's been so many big people go up against it and not be able to quite figure it out.

02:17:21.000 Like even Pearl Jam back in the 90s, you know, trying to go up against, I think, Live Nation it was, or Ticketmaster.

02:17:27.000 I don't know, man.

02:17:28.000 I just want to see.

02:17:34.000 Some sense of accomplishment about long time is like just how do you get all these people together who have been disenfranchised by the music industry and just rally them together in a way that like it's not to take anyone down or to do anything bad at all towards anybody but it's just to like imagine what society would be with real music again without a bunch of label propped up shit stuck in everybody's head.

02:17:55.000 Like what if people really listened to what they loved and like it was real it was like the organic side of things is what drove music through the roof.

02:18:02.000 Like, imagine what that would imagine what because think about what music can do to you, like not even in the moment, but just what it means to you over time.

02:18:09.000 Like going back and I go back all the time, like and I listen to like a 1999 live song.

02:18:21.000 Or like old Hank Williams III songs.

02:18:24.000 I don't know, stuff I listened to a lot as a kid.

02:18:26.000 Man, it'll just unlock all these memories.

02:18:28.000 You think about all of a sudden you're back in a place that you never even remembered you ever were.

02:18:33.000 It's such a powerful thing on us.

02:18:35.000 Excuse me.

02:18:36.000 Sorry, I had a sneeze.

02:18:38.000 Yeah, it is powerful, man.

02:18:40.000 It's powerful to do what you're doing.

02:18:42.000 What you're doing is that.

02:18:44.000 You're doing that.

02:18:45.000 Yeah.

02:18:45.000 I'm not doing nothing.

02:18:47.000 You're in that groove.

02:18:47.000 Shut the fuck up.

02:18:48.000 You are.

02:18:49.000 You're in that groove.

02:18:50.000 You know, just keep doing what you're doing.

02:18:51.000 It's awesome.

02:18:52.000 And it's inspiring and more people are going to do it.

02:18:54.000 And I love that you want to help more people do it.

02:18:57.000 That's great.

02:18:57.000 Because I guarantee you there are these Charlie Crockett's out there.

02:19:01.000 There's these guys out there that people haven't heard of before.

02:19:03.000 And then you see them playing on Street Corner one day and you're like, where are you from?

02:19:07.000 Like, how are you doing this?

02:19:08.000 This is crazy.

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:10.000 You know, there's people like that out there in the world.

02:19:12.000 I remember we went saw Ellis Bullard, the white White Horse?

02:19:16.000 White Horse?

02:19:17.000 Yeah.

02:19:18.000 Yeah.

02:19:18.000 And we were like, look at this fucking guy.

02:19:20.000 Here in town, right?

02:19:21.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 Nobody there.

02:19:22.000 We went there last time we were here.

02:19:23.000 We were planning on going back.

02:19:25.000 We were actually thinking about trying to swing by there this evening.

02:19:27.000 Great little spot.

02:19:28.000 That was so much fun last time.

02:19:29.000 Great little spot.

02:19:30.000 So there's people like that out there.

02:19:31.000 You know?

02:19:31.000 They just have to get an audience.

02:19:33.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 You know?

02:19:34.000 Someone has to, you know, give them a little boost.

02:19:37.000 Reach back.

02:19:38.000 Grab their hand.

02:19:39.000 Help them up. 1.00

02:19:40.000 Yeah.

02:19:41.000 That's one of the best things about the comedy community right now is that we all do that for each other.

02:19:45.000 So it's like there's a real pathway.

02:19:46.000 So there's a lot of people that are moving to Austin from all across the country, you know, that like, hey, I think if I get there, that's a place where you could really launch from.

02:19:55.000 What's powerful about your platforms here, like you and all the other people, like you said, that are in that network, is that this is all stuff that you've built that you have control over.

02:20:06.000 That's what's cool about it.

02:20:07.000 It's a whole new business that you've got here.

02:20:12.000 In the comedy world, it's not owned by anybody or anything.

02:20:16.000 It's wild and free and chaotic and it could go anywhere.

02:20:20.000 That's what's exciting to me.

02:20:22.000 Like I said, I just don't know.

02:20:25.000 I just don't know what, who knows what will even come of what you got going on here in, um, and Austin.

02:20:30.000 But this has, has shaped a lot, like in a, in a world where everything is so, is so predicted.

02:20:37.000 Like there's less and less people able to sit around in a boardroom and a skyscraper somewhere and decide what the next big thing is going to be.

02:20:44.000 It's like, it's more, it's.

02:20:45.000 I don't know.

02:20:46.000 just it's exciting to be a part of that despite all the there's so many ways that you can you can look negatively about everything going on but there is this sort of transfer of power that i just hope Pretty soon we'll all have a Neuralink and we'll be talking to each other.

02:21:08.000 But we've got a little bit of time maybe before that.

02:21:10.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:21:11.000 I think we're the last real people.

02:21:13.000 We're the last people that knows what it was like before to understand what real life really is.

02:21:19.000 And it's so hard to even say what that even means.

02:21:23.000 But I just mean that like...

02:21:30.000 Everyone in its AI, the whole narrative is, and it'll have like a million, and like probably half the people commenting on it are bots too, but I just mean, it's not even like we're going to be deceived that way.

02:21:38.000 I think at some point it'll almost somehow...

02:21:48.000 And it's not that we won't even be able to tell the difference, but we won't even care to tell the difference.

02:21:53.000 The fake world will feel more real than the real world in a short period of time somehow.

02:21:59.000 Like it'll influence our sensory...

02:22:05.000 Like it'll it'll it'll influence that more than real life will like it'll become just like everything will just feel That's why we're so drawn.

02:22:12.000 But as it all becomes more realistic and more creative and more tailored to draw us in, it will be just mass deception.

02:22:21.000 It might have already happened.

02:22:23.000 This is what's really terrifying, is the simulation theory.

02:22:26.000 The idea that, oh, I would be able to know if it was a simulation.

02:22:30.000 Would you?

02:22:31.000 I don't know.

02:22:32.000 Elon thinks it's a simulation.

02:22:34.000 He thinks the chances of it not being a simulation are in the billions.

02:22:37.000 He thinks that this whole thing is probably our consciousness interacting with a program, which is very bizarre to think.

02:22:48.000 But if you keep going with what we're doing right now, that is inevitable.

02:22:53.000 If you look at the way technology is recreating things with AI and making things look completely realistic, and then you extrapolate, you look into the future, 20, 30, 40, 50 years, yeah, they're going to be able to give you an experience that you're not going to know.

02:23:09.000 So how do you know if that's already happened?

02:23:11.000 And maybe that's how the world actually works.

02:23:13.000 Maybe this idea of the material world is an illusion, and that everything is your consciousness interacting.

02:23:23.000 through limited means I mean right sight sound smell etc like there's there could be components of reality here that we're not able to see I mean and that's where like I definitely lean into recognizing that there is this whole likes I do believe there is this whole spiritual element at play too and I see yeah it's just it's hard to it's just

02:23:45.000 It's funny, though, because the same mentality that you could use to think about the world being a simulation, you could also think about it being so organized and so perfect that, yeah, I agree that it's operating on some program.

02:23:55.000 I just think that that program is being mandated and created by what is represented in my mind as God or Jesus Christ.

02:24:03.000 Other people may just be considered like a...

02:24:08.000 Obviously there is some, like life is a thing that we don't quite understand that finds itself in the midst of so many different parts of reality.

02:24:16.000 Like life, like just in the soil, there's so many different millions of bacteria that just make it possible for stuff to even be able to grow.

02:24:22.000 And all those things are arguably intelligent and have these organized systems.

02:24:26.000 And then you see the way birds fly in the sky and just the way that, like the way that even we have these sort of inherent parts programmed into us.

02:24:37.000 There's really no way to tell but what's so funny is that in just a short period of time we'll all be forgotten about anyway and we'll never really know and maybe even this even though.

02:24:47.000 It's just no way to really tell.

02:24:48.000 I think at the end of the day, to your point, I think humanity and the truth within it is all that really exists and everything else just sort of swirls about and we're always wanting to expand upon what already exists.

02:25:01.000 We're not creatures that like repetition or we like to just always figure out what the next big thing is, even if it is our demise.

02:25:09.000 It's weird.

02:25:10.000 We're sort of chasing to build these.

02:25:12.000 To build our replacement somehow.

02:25:14.000 I don't know.

02:25:15.000 Oh, that's a fact.

02:25:16.000 Yeah, we're definitely doing that.

02:25:18.000 No question at all.

02:25:19.000 We've already replaced our memory with your contact list.

02:25:22.000 I mean, how many numbers?

02:25:24.000 I know like three people's phone numbers.

02:25:25.000 I used to know everyone's phone number.

02:25:27.000 I used to be able to rattle off all my friends' phone numbers.

02:25:29.000 I used to be able to call them from a payphone.

02:25:31.000 That was how I got a hold of people back in the day.

02:25:32.000 Now I don't remember anything.

02:25:34.000 I remember my high school phone number that I had when I was a kid.

02:25:37.000 I don't remember my best.

02:25:41.000 I can remember my best friend's phone number from high school.

02:25:44.000 He still has it, and I'll still text him now and then.

02:25:47.000 but that's great but it's crazy It has, yeah.

02:25:52.000 Yeah, and then, you know, anytime you have a question, you just press that button on your phone.

02:25:58.000 Hey, you know, what year was this?

02:26:00.000 You know, what year was Gettysburg?

02:26:03.000 And you can find anything instantaneously, and that's good.

02:26:07.000 But it's also weird because now you're dependent upon that thing and you're connected to that thing.

02:26:12.000 That thing is just going to get more and more a part of your life.

02:26:14.000 Whereas you said before, you can't even leave your house without your phone.

02:26:16.000 You feel weird.

02:26:17.000 Yeah, but all those resources right now are used because there is no real protocol or way for us to be necessarily productive with it.

02:26:25.000 In a broader spectrum, a lot of people just use all those tools and resources as just endless entertainment and mind-numbing distraction.

02:26:35.000 But really, all that stuff makes us super powerful if we're able to harness it correctly.

02:26:39.000 I think we don't realize how informed we are in comparison to people in the past.

02:26:57.000 People in the past were extremely naive about the way things work.

02:27:01.000 Just that has just been something that we have just accepted as being normal in the last 20 years.

02:27:07.000 But it's not normal.

02:27:08.000 It's not normal to know this much about congressional insider trading.

02:27:13.000 You know, like how do we all know about that now?

02:27:15.000 And how do we all know that it's been going on forever and nobody did anything about it?

02:27:19.000 You know, there's a lot of things that we know now that make the people, the powers that be, very creeped out.

02:27:25.000 Including things like podcasts.

02:27:27.000 They don't like it at all.

02:27:29.000 That there's no one, no corporate entity pulling the strings behind the scenes.

02:27:34.000 It's just people.

02:27:35.000 And that some person, like a Theo Vaughn or whoever, can have whoever they want on anytime they want.

02:27:41.000 And say whatever they want.

02:27:43.000 And that person might say some wild shit that has the internet scrambling.

02:27:46.000 Is this true?

02:27:46.000 And then they have to Google it.

02:27:48.000 They don't like that at all.

02:27:49.000 They don't like that this, Hey, the FBI contacted Facebook and was telling them to remove factual information because it might affect the election.

02:28:02.000 Like, this is crazy.

02:28:04.000 Like, the stuff that we know now, that a lot of people know now, was the stuff of conspiracy fantasy when I was 20 years old.

02:28:14.000 But what does it mean to us, though?

02:28:17.000 Because, yeah, we know all that about Facebook, but we all still use Facebook.

02:28:23.000 I think that now our ability to communicate has become so contingent upon these platforms that we know they're no good for us.

02:28:32.000 We know they harvest our data and all the terrible things that are associated with them.

02:28:37.000 But we still was like, where else but Facebook Marketplace can you find all these sweet – The more you're aware they're influencing you, the less effect it has on you.

02:28:48.000 The more you're aware of the magic trick, you're like, oh, that rabbit's up his sleeve.

02:28:52.000 There's just a connectivity that we can't find elsewhere, so there's this void that we have to use it to fill the void, I guess is what I mean.

02:28:58.000 You don't.

02:28:59.000 You don't have to.

02:29:00.000 Maybe through, like, that's why I really want to try doing, I've had two or three people really pushing me heavy to try to do jiu-jitsu, but that's something where, like, it's the, I don't know.

02:29:14.000 That's the way it's been.

02:29:15.000 Maybe in those sort of circles you do get that, but you just don't get it.

02:29:19.000 There's not a lot of broad ways to get it now.

02:29:21.000 Jiu-Jitsu is definitely a way to do it.

02:29:23.000 It's also a way where you get out all of your aggression.

02:29:26.000 In a very healthy way.

02:29:28.000 In a cooperative way.

02:29:29.000 You're doing it with other people that are your friends.

02:29:31.000 And the beautiful thing about jujitsu sparring, as opposed to when I was kickboxing, you kind of resented your sparring partner.

02:29:38.000 They're fucking you up.

02:29:40.000 They're rocking you.

02:29:41.000 Whereas in jujitsu, even if someone taps you a lot, you're still their friend.

02:29:46.000 You realize, and they'll tell you, you can't do that with the right arm.

02:29:51.000 The right arm has to stay tied to your chest, because otherwise, once it's exposed, what I'm trying to do is get you to do that.

02:29:56.000 So I can go to the other side.

02:29:57.000 Like, oh, okay.

02:29:58.000 Let's try it again.

02:29:58.000 I'll show a guy.

02:30:00.000 And when you do that with people, you're helping your friend beat you next time.

02:30:04.000 but that's the way to get better.

02:30:06.000 Like, you know, Eddie Bravo, He goes, the more you teach people to catch you in the stuff that you do, the more people, you'll be able to get it in people that even know it's coming.

02:30:17.000 You'll be able, it'll sharpen that technique up even more.

02:30:19.000 If you can get people that know what you're doing, and you tell them what you're doing, you can still do it.

02:30:23.000 Like Hicks and Grace used to tell people, I'm going to get you in an arm bar on your right arm. 0.66

02:30:27.000 You're like, the fuck you are?

02:30:28.000 And he would still get it.

02:30:30.000 But he was so much better than everybody that he would do that on purpose.

02:30:33.000 And there's a...

02:30:41.000 Also, the other beautiful thing about jujitsu in terms of your mental health is that it's so difficult to do that it makes regular life easy.

02:30:50.000 And regular conflict seems to be silly.

02:30:53.000 Like, sometimes people get, like, super nervous if two people are just yelling at each other and you think a fight might break up.

02:30:57.000 If you're, like, so used to strangling people, that's, like, totally normal.

02:31:01.000 Like, oh, you guys got a fight?

02:31:02.000 Like, you see that in some of the videos that go around where somebody will get, like, broken into.

02:31:07.000 And it's like the security footage.

02:31:09.000 Like, I'm trying to think.

02:31:09.000 There was one that went around recently.

02:31:12.000 Like some guy was trying to break into a UFC fighter's truck, and he went out there and just, like, kicked his ass in the guy.

02:31:21.000 Yeah, the guy did that with Jon Jones.

02:31:23.000 Jon Jones ran out with a shotgun and a fucking Belgian Malinois.

02:31:27.000 Like, that's the wrong dude to break into his house.

02:31:29.000 He's ready.

02:31:31.000 And Sean Strickland, that was another one.

02:31:32.000 Sean ran outside his house with a pistol.

02:31:35.000 That's who I was thinking of.

02:31:35.000 I was thinking of that one.

02:31:36.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those.

02:31:37.000 You could fuck with the wrong dude and that happens that there's a there's a lot of those wrong dudes out there now There's so many people that are training in martial arts now You never know like you're picking a fight with someone you don't know how to fight you are rolling Those dudes are a lot scarier in real life than on TV like I oh hell yeah I've just ran into him randomly.

02:31:57.000 And just like the size of his hands, you're just like, God, where did this guy come from?

02:32:02.000 He's just like a machine.

02:32:03.000 He's a Viking.

02:32:04.000 That's 100% Viking DNA. 0.70

02:32:07.000 100%.

02:32:08.000 But I don't know the, there's no exercise I'm aware of that like makes your fist.

02:32:12.000 Genetics.

02:32:13.000 Yeah, he's just like...

02:32:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:16.000 His daughter's a shot put champion?

02:32:18.000 Like, jeez Louise, she's a tank. 1.00

02:32:21.000 Yeah, that's just pure Viking genetics, man.

02:32:23.000 Those are the people at the front of the boat with the big battle axe.

02:32:26.000 When you saw that both pull up to your village, you knew you better start running to those mountains, son.

02:32:31.000 I just can't imagine having to get in the ring with a guy like that and, like, no, you got to...

02:32:37.000 I know.

02:32:38.000 Imagine the guys beat him, too.

02:32:40.000 That's just even crazier.

02:32:41.000 Guys beat his ass.

02:32:43.000 Alistair Overeem beat his ass.

02:32:44.000 Cain Velasquez beat his ass.

02:32:46.000 There's guys better than him, which is really crazy.

02:32:48.000 There's always a bigger fish, yeah.

02:32:50.000 Yeah, and Cain wasn't even bigger.

02:32:51.000 Cain was a bad motherfucker.

02:32:53.000 He was like 240.

02:32:53.000 He was like 25 pounds lighter than Brock.

02:32:56.000 And he still beat his ass.

02:32:58.000 Who in fighting right now is exciting you, like, coming up into it?

02:33:02.000 There's so many guys.

02:33:04.000 There's so many, man.

02:33:06.000 Did you watch Marab's last fight last weekend?

02:33:08.000 I didn't know.

02:33:09.000 That guy is insane.

02:33:12.000 He's insane.

02:33:14.000 His cardio is like something that The guy's a freak.

02:33:24.000 Daniel Cormier went to visit him after he won the title.

02:33:27.000 He won the title Saturday night at the Sphere in Vegas.

02:33:30.000 Beat Sean O'Malley.

02:33:32.000 Dominant five-round decision.

02:33:34.000 Just steamrolled him.

02:33:35.000 The next day, Daniel Cormier goes to visit him.

02:33:38.000 He's out running.

02:33:39.000 Yeah.

02:33:40.000 I mean, it doesn't stop.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:42.000 It doesn't stop.

02:33:43.000 Just this guy from Georgia, from this war-torn country, who is just... 1.00

02:33:53.000 And when he gets in the ring, no one can match his cardio.

02:33:56.000 No one can match his pace.

02:33:58.000 He melts the greatest of the greats.

02:34:00.000 You see guys like Umar Nurmagomedov, who's elite.

02:34:04.000 He's world class.

02:34:05.000 At any other time, he'd be a world champion.

02:34:08.000 And Merab's just overwhelming him.

02:34:10.000 You see him just getting overwhelmed by the pace.

02:34:12.000 And Merab doesn't even get tired.

02:34:14.000 He's a freak.

02:34:15.000 So he's probably trained in Georgia most of his life then?

02:34:18.000 Do you think that gives him an advantage?

02:34:19.000 Like he's trained in maybe his fighting style?

02:34:23.000 Or is he doing the same type of fighting but just better, you think?

02:34:27.000 Or is it just that they can't read it?

02:34:28.000 Well, you can see the evolution of his technique.

02:34:32.000 So it's just his mindset and his drive.

02:34:36.000 And I think some of it, you know, Faraz Zahabi did a whole video about him saying he needs to be studied in a lab.

02:34:41.000 Faraz Zahabi, who runs TriStar in Montreal, is like one of the greatest gyms of all time.

02:34:46.000 And he's one of the best minds ever in the history of MMA.

02:34:49.000 And he's blown away by this guy.

02:34:51.000 He's like, there's guys that are on EPO, which is like, you know, that's a cyclist take that makes you have more blood cells.

02:34:59.000 It makes you have more cardio, but you can have a fucking stroke.

02:35:02.000 It's like super dangerous to take.

02:35:03.000 But that's like a lot of the Tour de France guys get busted for that kind of shit.

02:35:06.000 Some fighters get busted.

02:35:08.000 He's like, guys that I know that have been on EPO don't have that kind of cardio.

02:35:11.000 This is crazy cardio.

02:35:12.000 This is like something freakish.

02:35:14.000 And he's like, he thinks that some of it's genetic, but Marab says it's not.

02:35:18.000 Marab says, no, I used to get tired.

02:35:20.000 I used to get tired.

02:35:21.000 But he's just, I mean, he's a freak.

02:35:23.000 He's a freak.

02:35:24.000 And he just keeps getting better with his technique.

02:35:26.000 He gets better with everything.

02:35:27.000 That drive is not just for his cardio.

02:35:30.000 That drive is for his whole skill set.

02:35:32.000 So he's a fucking monster.

02:35:33.000 And then Ilya Tapurio, who's fighting Charles Oliveira at the end of the month.

02:35:37.000 Like, that guy is insane.

02:35:39.000 That guy's knocked out two of the greatest featherweights of all time.

02:35:42.000 Volkanovski and Max Holloway.

02:35:43.000 Nobody knocked those guys out in featherweight before.

02:35:46.000 And he did it.

02:35:47.000 And he did it, and he made it look easy.

02:35:49.000 He made it look like he's just on another level from everybody.

02:35:53.000 And now he's moving up to 155 pounds.

02:35:55.000 He's decided he cleared out that division, and he's moving up.

02:35:58.000 It's insane.

02:35:59.000 It's insane.

02:35:59.000 There's guys like that that are just so...

02:36:05.000 And with Ilya, it's everything.

02:36:07.000 It's his submissions, his kicks, his punches, everything.

02:36:09.000 He can do anything.

02:36:10.000 I mean, he does everything perfect.

02:36:12.000 All his technique is perfect, and he's fucking driven.

02:36:15.000 Ultra confident.

02:36:16.000 You know, this is an amazing time for the sport, man.

02:36:19.000 It's a it's a crazy time because these guys that are coming in with like one fight in the UFC They look like world-class contenders like right away Well, it's cool because it seems like it's it's like a really it's a really good way to get like obscure people into the spotlight like I I guess it does take some fights.

02:36:47.000 The guys that are in the top at the UFC now, how many fights do you think it takes them before they wreck it?

02:36:52.000 How many big wins?

02:36:53.000 Is it really just a win or two, I guess, if they're big enough and they're like...

02:37:02.000 Like, the best example of a quick rise to the top is Alex Pereira.

02:37:06.000 But Alex Pereira is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

02:37:10.000 And Alex Pereira, when he entered into the UFC, like, a lot of people were completely unaware of him.

02:37:15.000 And me, as a giant kickboxing fan, he was the guy.

02:37:19.000 That I was like, when this motherfucker comes over here, bodies are gonna drop, man.

02:37:24.000 I'm telling you, you ain't never seen nothing.

02:37:25.000 And I remember Daniel Cormier saying to me, like, "Really?" I'm like, "Dude, I'm telling you." I was pointing to him in his debut, I go, "That's the motherfucker!

02:37:34.000 That's the boogeyman of boogeymen!" I go, "He knocks people into orbit." And I was showing him some videos of kickboxing fights, and he was like, "Holy shit!" I go, dude, everybody he touches, he's got the touch of death.

02:37:46.000 And then we start steamrolling people in the UFC, and he knocked out Strickland in one round.

02:37:50.000 And the opening fight that he had when he hit that dude with a flying knee and just I'm like, "Yeah, dude, this guy is scary!" So that guy was, within three years, was a two-division world champion.

02:38:07.000 Which is just nuts.

02:38:08.000 Like, nobody's done that before.

02:38:10.000 And, you know, defended the light heavyweight title multiple times in just a few years.

02:38:15.000 And he's only really been fighting MMA for like five or six years.

02:38:18.000 That's the excitement, I think, of MMA over other athletics, maybe.

02:38:21.000 It's just the unpredictability of it that, like, anybody can just come in and catch everybody off guard and you just don't ever know.

02:38:27.000 Well, it's specialists.

02:38:29.000 So the thing about specialists is if you're a specialist kickboxer, what you really need is someone to teach you how to fight on the ground.

02:38:36.000 And he had Glover Teixeira, who was also a former UFC light heavyweight champion, one of the greatest, and an amazing technician.

02:38:44.000 And Glover helped him, along with all his other training partners, avoid the takedowns, learn how to fight off, learn how to fight on the ground, learn how to get back up to your feet.

02:38:52.000 When you've got a guy who's the best of the best kickboxers, every fight starts standing up.

02:38:57.000 So while you're standing there with him, it's just, you gotta get that guy to the ground!

02:39:02.000 You gotta get that guy to the ground!

02:39:04.000 This is terrifying!

02:39:05.000 And he'll fight with broken toes.

02:39:08.000 He's fought so fucked up before.

02:39:10.000 He fought when he fought Yuri Prochaska the first time.

02:39:13.000 He had a completely blown-out knee.

02:39:15.000 Like, his knee wouldn't support him.

02:39:16.000 He knocked Yuri Prochaska out with a left hook.

02:39:19.000 And then he got his knee fixed, came back, fought him again, and iced him in the second round.

02:39:24.000 And he's just different, man.

02:39:26.000 He fought his last fight with a broken hand, and he had norovirus, and still lost a close decision in the fifth round.

02:39:34.000 Maybe it almost helps him like that.

02:39:37.000 Nah, it doesn't.

02:39:38.000 It definitely doesn't.

02:39:39.000 You could tell his energy was lower in that last fight than it has been in the past.

02:39:43.000 Like, the Khalil-Rountree fight was a fucking masterclass.

02:39:46.000 And Khalil is like one of the best strikers in the light heavyweight division.

02:39:48.000 And Alex just pieced him apart.

02:39:50.000 I think about what happens to...

02:39:55.000 Like, what do they, where do they direct all of that energy to?

02:39:58.000 Or does it, or does it, is it difficult when you're, does it, Oh, it's so difficult.

02:40:06.000 Your whole identity is wrapped up in it.

02:40:08.000 I just messaged Sean Strickland the other day because I saw that he was talking about his investments and that he's got $4 million in investments and he's doing really well.

02:40:18.000 And then he's got a plan.

02:40:20.000 Sean is very intelligent.

02:40:21.000 He's wild and crazy.

02:40:22.000 He says crazy shit, but very intelligent.

02:40:24.000 And I was very happy.

02:40:25.000 That makes me feel so good that you're really thinking about having money in the bank.

02:40:32.000 So you're good.

02:40:33.000 You're good forever.

02:40:34.000 And he'll always be able to do seminars and things along those lines.

02:40:39.000 It's very valuable to be like a former champion.

02:40:42.000 You can visit gyms and people will line up and pay 50 bucks and you can teach them things that will genuinely help their careers.

02:40:48.000 So a lot of guys have a thing.

02:40:50.000 Like Misha Tate, she was just in Austin recently.

02:40:52.000 And she went to Ways to Well to get some work done on her knee.

02:40:56.000 And she was out here doing seminars.

02:40:58.000 So she's traveling with her family around the country.

02:41:00.000 And they'll go, and she'll teach a seminar at a gym, and then they'll go on an RV trip.

02:41:06.000 Nice family time.

02:41:08.000 Have a good time in between, but they can make a lucrative living doing that, which is really nice.

02:41:13.000 It's hard for them.

02:41:14.000 the identity thing is very hard.

02:41:16.000 Well, I just wonder too, like the, it seems like some of those people are, well, you know, this is totally different than MMA fighters, Like you said, dude, man.

02:41:28.000 Like, you fight and the next day you're able to go run.

02:41:31.000 It's just like, what happens when all that slows down?

02:41:33.000 Do you redirect that somewhere?

02:41:34.000 Do you think it's difficult?

02:41:35.000 Like if you don't have somewhere to dis, you know, you found this really effective way to displace all of this.

02:41:40.000 'Cause obviously those people have got something in them that like drives their spirit to be able to And George still comes to Austin to train with the Donahers and Gordon Ryan and all these elite jiu-jitsu guys.

02:41:58.000 And he'll still go to Thailand and train Muay Thai.

02:42:01.000 he's a genuine martial artist.

02:42:03.000 And maybe he stopped before he just, He definitely did.

02:42:08.000 He's in good.

02:42:09.000 He definitely did.

02:42:09.000 Do you think those guys will ever come back?

02:42:11.000 Like, I know there was rumors about...

02:42:19.000 No.

02:42:20.000 Like the Tyson fight and stuff.

02:42:22.000 And I don't even know.

02:42:23.000 That's a whole other can of worms, and I'm not articulate enough in this space to give my opinions on things, but I would have liked to have seen Mike Tyson just – I don't know.

02:42:32.000 It just seemed like that just wasn't...

02:42:36.000 I bet he enjoyed the 20 million bucks.

02:42:37.000 He did, I bet.

02:42:38.000 I think that's why he did it.

02:42:39.000 I think he did it for money, and I'm happy that he could do it for money.

02:42:41.000 I'm happy that he could make a large amount of money doing something like that.

02:42:45.000 That's all I'll say about that.

02:42:46.000 But you're not supposed to be getting hit really hard in the head when you're 57 or 58 years old.

02:42:51.000 It's probably not the best thing for your health.

02:42:55.000 And at a certain point in time, I kind of stopped kickboxing.

02:42:59.000 For the most part, when I was like 30, I was like, this is just not good for you.

02:43:05.000 I was still sparring, and I was acting at the time.

02:43:08.000 So I was doing news radio, and I was still going to the gym and kickboxing.

02:43:12.000 And, you know, sometimes I'd have, like, a little black eye that I'd have to get touched up with makeup and shit before I go out to the set.

02:43:17.000 And I kept doing jiu-jitsu, but jiu-jitsu – I would get black eyes in jiu-jitsu sometimes, too.

02:43:23.000 But jiu-jitsu didn't – You still accidentally catch a knee sometimes, or you headbutt each other sometimes.

02:43:32.000 Something, elbow.

02:43:33.000 Stuff happens, but it's not like the constant jabs to the face and kicks to the body.

02:43:40.000 You're beating your brain up, and it's just not good for you at a certain point in time.

02:43:47.000 If you're an athlete and you're competing professionally, you manage it, you do your best to recover and take care of your health.

02:43:54.000 There's a price you pay.

02:43:56.000 I don't think you should pay that price if you don't have to.

02:43:59.000 That's the thing about sparring. 1.00

02:44:02.000 Especially if you're sparring with someone who's a hard hitter and they're not that good at pulling punches. 0.54

02:44:06.000 And then it gets competitive.

02:44:07.000 The next thing you know, you're basically fighting.

02:44:09.000 Full-on fighting somebody.

02:44:10.000 Happens all the time.

02:44:11.000 Happens all the time.

02:44:12.000 In a lot of gyms, it happens more often than not.

02:44:15.000 You're actually fighting rather than sparring.

02:44:17.000 You're just lucky you're not knocking each other unconscious every day.

02:44:20.000 It's like your skill.

02:44:22.000 But there's something to be said for that if you're fighting, because you gotta be aware that there's real consequences to these shots.

02:44:27.000 And if someone's pity-patting you in sparring, maybe you'll You've got to be on the edge all the time.

02:44:35.000 Like, Farah Sahabi, who I was talking about earlier, would pay sparring partners to try to knock George St. Pierre out. 1.00

02:44:40.000 He would pay them.

02:44:41.000 I want you to try to knock him out, like, for real.

02:44:43.000 Because he wanted George to be, like, really prepared.

02:44:45.000 You know, you're going in there, and, you know, you're going to fight some fucking killer.

02:44:50.000 You know, you can't be kind of half, you know. 0.99

02:44:53.000 You're fighting Carlos Conor.

02:44:54.000 He's gonna try to take your head off.

02:44:56.000 You've got to be training with guys that are trying to take your head off.

02:44:58.000 When they're in the middle of those fights, is it a lot of muscle memory or are they consciously thinking – Like, I feel like a lot of it is they've trained so much that it's more automatic, right?

02:45:08.000 When they get in that fight, like, like.

02:45:11.000 Like the way you see these slow motion replays of fights and they're able to almost predict their opponent's move and react in real time with it and just use it to their advantage.

02:45:21.000 That's all sort of almost...

02:45:27.000 At the elite level.

02:45:29.000 Yeah, more so than them having to think, oh, here it comes.

02:45:33.000 It's just so incredible to watch it.

02:45:36.000 Sometimes those fights are so good.

02:45:38.000 It's almost choreographed.

02:45:39.000 so good the way they're able to like use their opponents movements and to their own advantage and stuff that's what's so so crazy to me watching the just watching how like a human being can When someone's at the elite level, like the highest of high levels, it's an amazing thing to watch.

02:45:58.000 Like there's a guy who's defending his flyweight title at the end of June, Alexandre Pantoja.

02:46:04.000 He's one of the best fighters of all time.

02:46:06.000 I mean, he's so fucking good, but he's 125 pounds So people you know, they don't appreciate him as much as he He's so good.

02:46:18.000 He's so good everywhere.

02:46:20.000 Elite black belt on the ground, nasty striking, hyper-aggressive, just dominant. 1.00

02:46:25.000 Just comes in, he has this look in his eyes like, I am here to fuck you up.

02:46:29.000 It's awesome to watch.

02:46:30.000 I mean, it's like when a guy reaches the pinnacle of his career, like when he's at the height of his powers, when he's at the peak of his performance and career as an elite MMA fighter, it's something to behold, man.

02:46:44.000 It really is.

02:46:45.000 When you watch a guy just piece a guy up and take him apart, you're like, God damn!

02:46:50.000 You know, I never get bored with it.

02:46:52.000 Never.

02:46:52.000 Never get bored calling the fights.

02:46:54.000 Never get bored.

02:46:55.000 Like, when I know it's a UFC night, I'm like, oh, baby.

02:46:58.000 Here we go.

02:46:59.000 It still gets you excited, just like it did at the beginning.

02:47:02.000 And Daniel Cormier, who was a two-division world champion, who's sitting next to me, he gets fired up.

02:47:06.000 I mean, he's, like, grabbing my shoulders.

02:47:08.000 Oh, man.

02:47:09.000 Here we go.

02:47:10.000 Here we go.

02:47:10.000 We get so fired up.

02:47:12.000 And as far as excitement generated, I think it's the most exciting thing in the world.

02:47:17.000 I don't think there's anything like two people trying to figure each other out.

02:47:21.000 And then when someone's in that flow state, it's an amazing thing to watch.

02:47:26.000 It's beautiful.

02:47:27.000 When they really hit that flow state, everything is just perfect.

02:47:30.000 It's like, oh man, that's so hard to get there.

02:47:33.000 It's like an art form that you If you could do a little bit of it, you can do it somewhat.

02:47:43.000 You have to be able to do some martial arts to really appreciate what they're doing.

02:47:48.000 You can see someone kick somebody in the head like, wow, that's crazy.

02:47:51.000 But to really know how hard it is to pull off what he did, it's just like, ah, damn.

02:47:57.000 It's easy to watch world star hip hop where they're just like sucker punching each other but to watch a guy exhibit that kind of skill on somebody else knowing that like and not even knowing like I said just meeting like the few UFC fighters that I've met and stuff just looking at him and being like gosh dude like these dudes are just animals you know like a star and then to watch somebody else be able to exhibit that kind of just to kind of like unleash that kind of skill on him is just you're right it's such a raw it unlocks such a it unlocks that sort of monkey part of our brain that's just like yeah!

02:48:26.000 Oh, it's in your DNA, man.

02:48:31.000 Yeah, like when people are really into cricket and someone scores in cricket, they get excited.

02:48:35.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:48:37.000 But if somebody kicks somebody in the head, everybody knows what happened.

02:48:40.000 Everybody understands it.

02:48:42.000 I think that's the same psychology behind chicken fighting, which is surprisingly prevalent.

02:48:48.000 We recorded this song and all that still, but it's kind of the same.

02:48:53.000 That's what they do up there.

02:48:55.000 They don't hit each other.

02:48:56.000 Chickens can do it. 1.00

02:48:57.000 And they gamble.

02:48:58.000 That's the big thing, is gambling on chicken fights.

02:49:01.000 It's a big deal.

02:49:02.000 Champion roosters.

02:49:02.000 It's a big deal up there, yeah.

02:49:04.000 I was just telling a story the other day about this guy that was my landscaper that took me to this Mexican neighborhood that he lived in, and his buddy had all these chickens in cages all over the place.

02:49:14.000 Yeah.

02:49:15.000 So these roosters, and they had a big pit where they would roast goats, and they would just get the chickens out, put'em in the box, and gamble.

02:49:25.000 This was a completely Mexican neighborhood in LA.

02:49:27.000 Like, none of the signs are in English.

02:49:29.000 Everything is in Spanish.

02:49:30.000 Everybody spoke Spanish.

02:49:31.000 Wow.

02:49:32.000 You go down the street, you hear, ah, ah, ah, ah!

02:49:34.000 There's fucking roosters everywhere, man.

02:49:37.000 But it's like, that's part of their culture.

02:49:39.000 It's cruel and awful, but so is chicken farming, you know?

02:49:44.000 They make soup out of the chickens after they have them fight each other.

02:49:48.000 It's kind of fucked up.

02:49:50.000 But it's that same sort of like, it's the same, it goes back to like the Coliseum.

02:49:55.000 It's that same kind of thing.

02:49:56.000 Like it's that part of our brain that like everybody's got some chase to get there.

02:50:00.000 But yeah, I've always wondered that with the fighters.

02:50:02.000 The worst is dogfighting.

02:50:04.000 Yeah.

02:50:05.000 That's the one I, you know, that one makes my stomach turn.

02:50:07.000 Right.

02:50:08.000 That one bothers me because they like fighting.

02:50:10.000 They really do.

02:50:11.000 Pitbulls love it.

02:50:12.000 They're fighting, they're biting each other in the face and wagging their tails.

02:50:15.000 They really enjoy it.

02:50:16.000 But it's like, God, don't do that.

02:50:18.000 Don't do that.

02:50:19.000 You're just like, we don't want that.

02:50:21.000 Yeah.

02:50:22.000 Yeah, maybe it's when it's something you eat, you don't feel so bad about it, but when it's a dog, it's like...

02:50:26.000 I just love dogs way too much.

02:50:29.000 Man, that to me...

02:50:34.000 You know, they want to fight, but they're bred for it.

02:50:36.000 That's what's so crazy.

02:50:37.000 People are so psycho, they bred a dog that wants to fight all the time and will fight anything.

02:50:41.000 They'll fight bulls. 1.00

02:50:43.000 They used to use them to grab bulls.

02:50:45.000 Yeah.

02:50:46.000 Yeah.

02:50:47.000 They're nutty dogs, man.

02:50:48.000 Well, you know, where I was at in Virginia, we had...

02:50:50.000 Yeah, I was...

02:50:52.000 I don't know if I'd say we were officially dating or not.

02:50:55.000 I kind of was hoping we were, but I was...

02:51:04.000 So she actually had some puppies that were originally...

02:51:08.000 They were still puppies when he got busted, but they were some of Vic's dogs that she had.

02:51:12.000 I remember as a kid and that was like, We weren't relatively that far away from where all that happened.

02:51:19.000 That was a real eye-opening experience for a lot of people.

02:51:22.000 They're like, wait, what?

02:51:24.000 That guy's doing that?

02:51:25.000 That's crazy.

02:51:27.000 But I'm the same way.

02:51:29.000 I have, I have, dogs and humans are like at the same level of importance to me almost, you know, like, I finally replaced, I didn't, it's not a, not in any way to say replace, but just like, for me, I've always, I'm used to having three or four dogs around, because once you train, if you train a couple dogs real good and you get a couple more, nine times out of ten, they'll just learn everything from, you kind of get this pack mentality, and so I've had four for forever, and then I had gotten down to two when I lost Hooch, the white shepherd, so I finally just got this black German shepherd off this lady who was real, really. 0.53

02:52:00.000 She didn't necessarily neglect the dog, but the dog was just a breeder's dog.

02:52:03.000 So all she did was just have puppies with it. 1.00

02:52:05.000 So here I am, I'm taking this five-year-old black German Shepherd down to go swimming in the creek with us and stuff.

02:52:12.000 It was like her first time stepping on a stick.

02:52:14.000 She stepped on a stick and jumped completely in the air. 0.97

02:52:17.000 you know, now within two weeks, now she's like swimming in the creek with them and running all around and she acts like she's a farm dog, but like this dog had just kind of been in this lady's front yard for years, I guess, and just hadn't even gotten to...

02:52:31.000 They're my children.

02:52:33.000 I can't separate a dog and a human in level of importance.

02:52:37.000 It's like that theoretical scenario where the train's coming and you've got to figure out which way to switch the tracks and it's like elderly people are dogs and you're like, I don't know. 0.99

02:52:49.000 But I'm with you.

02:52:50.000 I just love dogs.

02:52:52.000 I like people more than dogs, but I love dogs.

02:52:55.000 But yeah, people are more important to me.

02:52:58.000 But it's close.

02:52:59.000 It's close.

02:53:00.000 There's some people that I would kill for my dog.

02:53:03.000 Hey, while I'm here, I'm going to go pick up Poppy or whatever.

02:53:05.000 I wish I would have saved him on there.

02:53:09.000 I think his name was Poppy or Buddy or something, but that little chihuahua at the...

02:53:13.000 Oh, you're going to take him in?

02:53:14.000 I might.

02:53:15.000 I don't know.

02:53:15.000 He's really goofy.

02:53:16.000 Why not, man?

02:53:17.000 Take him in.

02:53:17.000 He's like 12 years old or something, so he just needs somewhere to go, you know?

02:53:20.000 Oh, you'll give him the last few years of his life.

02:53:22.000 It'll be awesome.

02:53:23.000 Oh, and then he'll be telling all the other people, Oliver Anthony came and got me.

02:53:27.000 Yeah, that rich man from Richmond guy.

02:53:28.000 What a sweetheart. 1.00

02:53:30.000 Yeah.

02:53:30.000 Hey, he likes me more than people.

02:53:34.000 Yeah.

02:53:34.000 Yeah, this is exciting.

02:53:36.000 The mothership.

02:53:37.000 And just being able to go in there and do music and stuff is going to be nuts.

02:53:40.000 I've got a few.

02:53:40.000 I've got a friend of mine named Craig who's one of my buddies growing up who does amateur stand-up.

02:53:47.000 He's a really funny guy, so I've got him doing a little bit.

02:53:50.000 I've got Hickok45's son, John.

02:53:52.000 He does comedy in Chicago right now.

02:53:54.000 He's going to do a little stand-up thing there.

02:53:57.000 It'll just be fun.

02:53:59.000 It'll be real cool.

02:54:00.000 I've got the guys that opened for me, the Davidson brothers.

02:54:02.000 They're going to do a couple songs.

02:54:03.000 They're really good.

02:54:06.000 I don't know.

02:54:07.000 This has been, like, through all the stress and chaos of the last however many months of things going on and stuff being rearranged and all, this has been, like, my beacon that I've held on to of, like, we just got to get to the mothership and then everything will work out, you know?

02:54:20.000 Well, we've been really looking forward to having you.

02:54:22.000 Everyone and the staff, all the comics are real pumped.

02:54:24.000 Everybody's excited.

02:54:25.000 I just couldn't believe the reception I got, like even when I came with Tom that first time, just how everybody sort of took me in.

02:54:31.000 Like, like...

02:54:32.000 I don't know.

02:54:33.000 I'm just sort of the...

02:54:34.000 Well, also, a lot of people don't even know who I am because all they've seen of me is just the internet stuff and all the political stuff.

02:54:40.000 So it was really surprising the first time, even when we went to that mothership, how Everybody there just was very respectful and just kind of welcomed me with open arms.

02:54:52.000 I thought I was going in there really like kind of an outsider.

02:54:55.000 It was way more receptive than I've ever been.

02:55:00.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:55:02.000 That's awesome.

02:55:03.000 I don't know.

02:55:04.000 William Montgomery and all those guys are just so nice.

02:55:08.000 You know they're funny and they can make you laugh up on stage, but even in person, they're all just really good people.

02:55:14.000 They're all just really genuinely good people.

02:55:16.000 Yeah, we've got a great tribe.

02:55:18.000 It's a great tribe.

02:55:19.000 And the whole mentality of the club is like that.

02:55:23.000 Everybody that's there is cool.

02:55:25.000 I think in comedy, comedy is still There's a lot of struggle in comedy for people to make it.

02:55:31.000 I think even more so than in music.

02:55:33.000 Some of those people were telling me stories about how tough it is to go out.

02:55:37.000 Trying to make a career out of comedy.

02:55:39.000 Like, I guess unless you get a big Netflix special or you get a big break, like it's paycheck to paycheck for a long time, maybe for some of those guys.

02:55:45.000 Like until they get or until they get to where they're like a regular at a big club like that, you're just you're just off.

02:55:57.000 But you have to do that to get good at it, too.

02:56:00.000 But I think they have some appreciation for it that maybe other people don't.

02:56:05.000 I pick up on that.

02:56:08.000 They get that everybody in there is struggling trying to make it and have put a lot of their heart and effort into it.

02:56:14.000 And it just seems like there's a lot of respect in there for everybody and stuff.

02:56:19.000 100%.

02:56:20.000 Everybody realizes that there's only one way to do it.

02:56:22.000 You gotta work hard for a long time.

02:56:23.000 It's the only way.

02:56:24.000 It's one of the few things in life that there's no shortcut to.

02:56:27.000 Developing material and getting good at stand-up, it's a 10-year process.

02:56:30.000 It's a 10-year degree.

02:56:32.000 You want to actually become a real stand-up?

02:56:34.000 It's probably about 10 years.

02:56:36.000 10 years of grinding.

02:56:37.000 And for a lot of people, like, oh, that's too long.

02:56:40.000 It is too long.

02:56:41.000 Yeah, that's why most people don't do it.

02:56:42.000 But if you could do it, the people that are doing it and have been doing it for like 10 plus years, like all those people hanging out in the green room, they're all so cool.

02:56:50.000 It's a lot like jiu-jitsu in that regard.

02:56:52.000 It's like people that appreciate the difficulty of something and are really obsessed with getting better at it.

02:56:57.000 And obsessed with helping other people get better at it, too.

02:57:00.000 Because I also like jiu-jitsu.

02:57:01.000 The more people that you have around you that are really funny, the funnier you'll get.

02:57:05.000 Everybody has to be sharp.

02:57:07.000 Sometimes I'll do these Joe Rogan and Friends show.

02:57:10.000 And it's fucking Asan Ahmad, Brian Simpson, Tony Hinchcliffe, Shane Gillis, Mark Norman.

02:57:16.000 And then I go up.

02:57:17.000 It's like the show's an hour and a half old before I even get on stage.

02:57:20.000 So it's like you have to stay sharp.

02:57:23.000 And if you're not, you've got to pick up the slack.

02:57:25.000 You've got to figure it out.

02:57:26.000 Get back to the laptop.

02:57:27.000 Let's go.

02:57:28.000 You've got to rewrite.

02:57:29.000 Do this.

02:57:29.000 Do that.

02:57:30.000 But that's what we're all doing.

02:57:34.000 It's a vibrant place.

02:57:36.000 There's a mindset attached to that place.

02:57:38.000 It's very positive.

02:57:40.000 That makes me real happy.

02:57:41.000 And I'm real happy that you're going to be there this weekend.

02:57:43.000 I'm pumped.

02:57:44.000 Yeah, I think this mothership thing's got a long future ahead of it in that sense of just reshaping.

02:57:49.000 I don't know.

02:57:51.000 It is kind of a beacon right now.

02:57:53.000 I don't know.

02:57:54.000 It's like there's a big light shining up in the sky.

02:57:56.000 And that's kind of where everybody's looking, it seems like.

02:57:58.000 And even with Kill Tony, it's just cool that they...

02:58:05.000 Anybody can go right in there and give it their all for better or for worse.

02:58:10.000 You might make it.

02:58:11.000 Look, you might be William Montgomery.

02:58:13.000 You might be Cam Patterson.

02:58:14.000 You might be Hans Kim or any of these people that have legitimate careers now because of that show.

02:58:19.000 It's pretty awesome.

02:58:21.000 Oliver Anthony, this weekend.

02:58:23.000 Sorry, everybody.

02:58:24.000 It's all sold out.

02:58:25.000 You're not going to be able to get in, but I'm fucking pumped.

02:58:27.000 I can't wait.

02:58:29.000 Thank you for being here, man, and thanks for the podcast.

02:58:31.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:58:32.000 Thank you.

02:58:32.000 I really enjoyed it very much.

02:58:33.000 And it's great to see you find your place, man.

02:58:36.000 You're getting it.

02:58:36.000 You got it.

02:58:37.000 You're here now.

02:58:39.000 You're established.

02:58:40.000 In the beginning, you're like, what the fuck is happening?

02:58:42.000 But now you're like, you got a plan.

02:58:43.000 It was so many pitfalls and so many things.

02:58:46.000 But it's a contribution of, I'd say, you know, like at the very beginning, you, Jamie Johnson, David Kushner, and just a couple people who were like, had been in it for a while and were able to.

02:58:57.000 Well, with David, you know, he was fairly recent, but we were both.

02:59:03.000 The first six months was when I could have really slipped up hard.

02:59:07.000 I just was so thankful that I got through all that without being married to anybody or any company.

02:59:12.000 At least everything's still...

02:59:15.000 You did it the right way.

02:59:16.000 So I appreciate the confidence there because it's a terrifying – Man, you've been going to work every day for some guy that you hate and some job you hate?

02:59:25.000 For so long, for like 50 grand a year, and then some dude is showing you, and they have a really convincing way of doing it.

02:59:34.000 Just think about how easy you can get prayed into buying some shit used car on a lot.

02:59:37.000 These people are like that, but they're like the professional UFC fighters of psychological warfare.

02:59:44.000 They're going to make you feel like you're so stupid, and you've just tricked everybody for five minutes, and you better do it while it lasts.

02:59:50.000 And if you don't come with us, it's never going to make it.

02:59:53.000 You're never going to make it.

02:59:54.000 But you were right.

02:59:56.000 They were wrong.

02:59:56.000 And I don't care if nothing, like I said, if nothing else ever comes of this, this has been just such a blessing to be able to just meet all the people I have and experienced it.

03:00:04.000 It's just cool, man.

03:00:05.000 I don't care.

03:00:05.000 I don't care where it goes from here.

03:00:07.000 I'm just totally enamored by it all.

03:00:10.000 It's just been...

03:00:13.000 I don't know.

03:00:14.000 It's awesome.

03:00:14.000 It's not real life.

03:00:15.000 It's beautiful.

03:00:16.000 Yeah.

03:00:17.000 All right.

03:00:17.000 Thanks for being here.

03:00:18.000 Yes, sir.

03:00:19.000 Thank you.

03:00:19.000 Maybe in a couple more years.

03:00:21.000 Fuck yeah.

03:00:21.000 A couple months.

03:00:22.000 Fuck it.

03:00:23.000 All right.

03:00:23.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 13, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2337 - Oliver Anthony

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