The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2342 - Jim Norton

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00:00:09.000 I'm going to fucking put this up.

00:00:16.000 Riley, what are you gonna do with it?

00:00:17.000 Yeah, I should have thrown it out, but I'm just I feel like if somebody put effort into it and gave it to me, just keep it.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:00:24.000 Well, that's how I wound up with this fucking snake on the desk.

00:00:26.000 This is from this during the entire podcast.

00:00:33.000 Harlan Williams had this in his pants, and he was saying that he had a, he got a worm, and he named his worm Dimitri at the end of the podcast.

00:00:42.000 He pulls it out, and then he got such a fucking kick out of the fact that it was still on the desk when I interviewed Trump.

00:00:50.000 I hope he explained where it came from.

00:00:51.000 I didn't see it.

00:00:52.000 This president hold that.

00:00:54.000 I think it's funny because when you said that, I'm like, who gave that to you?

00:00:56.000 Is that a seven-year-old?

00:00:57.000 And this is Harley Raymond.

00:00:58.000 I'm like, all right, it works out perfect.

00:01:00.000 That feels correct.

00:01:02.000 He is so unique.

00:01:03.000 He is.

00:01:04.000 And I forgot he was in something about Mary.

00:01:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:07.000 Which is literally one of the funniest movies ever made.

00:01:09.000 Ever.

00:01:10.000 And I watched him again.

00:01:11.000 I'm like, God damn, I wish I was in that.

00:01:12.000 I wish I had one line in that movie.

00:01:14.000 Right, right, right.

00:01:15.000 Well, the Farley brothers, they're the best.

00:01:18.000 They have some bangers, man.

00:01:19.000 You know, Kingpin.

00:01:20.000 Yeah, Bill Murray.

00:01:22.000 I'm going to take myself.

00:01:22.000 Oh, my God.

00:01:23.000 You don't like them?

00:01:24.000 No, no, they're fine.

00:01:25.000 I'm so used to it.

00:01:26.000 I hate my own voice and hearing it come back.

00:01:28.000 It's like I'm doing radio for 20 years, and I still don't like to listen to my own father.

00:01:32.000 Well, you used to do one.

00:01:33.000 You used to do the weird thing.

00:01:35.000 But I saw Rich Voss.

00:01:36.000 Like, too many times I've seen clips of Voss, and he just does that.

00:01:39.000 And I'm like, do I look like that?

00:01:41.000 Have I looked like that for two decades?

00:01:43.000 I'm like, fucking Rich, put it on or take it off.

00:01:46.000 I like one ear.

00:01:47.000 He just likes one ear open.

00:01:49.000 He likes one ear.

00:01:50.000 I firmly believe that's some kind of like a childhood defense thing.

00:01:56.000 Like there was something fishy that happened in childhood where you want to just kind of somehow stay present.

00:02:00.000 Always be aware.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 Somebody get attacked.

00:02:03.000 Somebody fumbled.

00:02:04.000 Yeah, somebody fumbled around.

00:02:05.000 That's interesting.

00:02:06.000 Got to keep my ears on.

00:02:07.000 That's a thing, though.

00:02:07.000 I don't know.

00:02:08.000 A lot of people like one ear on.

00:02:10.000 It's not uncommon.

00:02:12.000 You feel when you have both ears covered, I just feel like I'm lost and I'm not in the room.

00:02:17.000 And I guess I've gotten a little bit better with it, but just now I'm like, wow, I really can't hear.

00:02:23.000 I always feel like I'm just fully locked in.

00:02:26.000 You know, I don't hear anything else.

00:02:28.000 I don't hear anything.

00:02:29.000 When the headphones are on.

00:02:30.000 Yeah, I like the headphones on.

00:02:31.000 I like to be locked in.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, I do, but I just feel like it feels like I'm underwater sometimes.

00:02:36.000 I went in for an MRI.

00:02:38.000 I just go for them like once a year.

00:02:40.000 Do you just for the fuck of it?

00:02:41.000 I want to.

00:02:42.000 Yeah, I'm getting older and I'm like, you know, I want to fucking make sure I'm good.

00:02:45.000 Like make sure there's no lumps or anything.

00:02:47.000 And they give you those shitty headphones.

00:02:49.000 And I'm so claustrophobic.

00:02:51.000 I'm laying there and I'm terrified.

00:02:53.000 And the noise.

00:02:57.000 Being married prepares you for that.

00:03:02.000 You get good at blocking out.

00:03:04.000 Oh, my God.

00:03:05.000 You feel claustrophobic.

00:03:06.000 There's a loud noise.

00:03:07.000 You want to kill yourself?

00:03:07.000 Yeah.

00:03:08.000 My wife will be in full conversation with me.

00:03:10.000 I have no idea what she said.

00:03:11.000 I've just fully blocked it out.

00:03:13.000 How many things have I agreed to?

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 Exactly.

00:03:16.000 Because I wanted to shut up.

00:03:16.000 I told you about it the other day.

00:03:18.000 I'm like, you did?

00:03:19.000 I don't want to argue.

00:03:20.000 I'm like, I forgot.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:03:22.000 I'm going to tell you.

00:03:23.000 But I asked the guy, he goes, you want music?

00:03:25.000 And I'm like, yeah, I'll have a, I'm like, play rock.

00:03:28.000 I just rock.

00:03:29.000 And he was fucking like, he didn't speak English that well.

00:03:32.000 So he started playing the rocky theme song over and over.

00:03:37.000 I actually bailed out and got out of the machine.

00:03:39.000 I couldn't.

00:03:40.000 Because you couldn't hear the song anymore?

00:03:41.000 No, I just was too freaked out.

00:03:43.000 I'm like, this guy's not hearing me.

00:03:44.000 I'm squeezing that fucking ball.

00:03:47.000 It's awful.

00:03:48.000 So he had to take me out.

00:03:50.000 And I'm like, I'll go back in.

00:03:51.000 He goes, no, we'll have to start over.

00:03:52.000 Because once, apparently in MRI, like you have to be in the same position.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:57.000 So I just, I said, fuck it.

00:03:59.000 They did my whole body and they just, they couldn't finish with the brain.

00:04:01.000 I was just like, I'm done.

00:04:02.000 I'm out.

00:04:03.000 Your brain's fine.

00:04:03.000 You don't want to look in there anyway.

00:04:05.000 I hope no.

00:04:06.000 No, I don't really want to see it.

00:04:07.000 Who knows what's going on?

00:04:08.000 No, no, no.

00:04:08.000 Just little bliers across the wrong way.

00:04:13.000 Imagine if you could look into your brain and see your memories.

00:04:16.000 You're like, whoa.

00:04:17.000 Eventually.

00:04:18.000 I mean, Black Mary did an episode of that where you're like, I love how they keep the technology simple, where you're just kind of scrolling through something and they could see all the memories.

00:04:27.000 And you'll eventually be able to do that.

00:04:30.000 Yeah, eventually we'll have a hard drive in our head.

00:04:33.000 I would do it too.

00:04:34.000 I would absolutely link up.

00:04:37.000 I think we talked about this last, but Ray Kurzweil, who talks about singularity.

00:04:41.000 I still think his time frame is wishful thinking.

00:04:44.000 He thinks by like 2045, right?

00:04:47.000 He'll be in his like 90s.

00:04:48.000 So I think he's just trying to hope it happens.

00:04:50.000 He might be right.

00:04:51.000 That makes sense.

00:04:52.000 20 years from now?

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:54.000 I think that's correct.

00:04:55.000 I hope so.

00:04:56.000 I think everything's moving in an exponential pace.

00:04:59.000 And I think, you know, if you just look at what's happening with AI, AI 10 years ago was non-existent.

00:05:06.000 You never heard anything about it.

00:05:07.000 And now everybody uses it on their phone all the time.

00:05:10.000 I use it.

00:05:12.000 My wife's obsessed with it, which is irritating because she literally will just talk to it. 1.00

00:05:15.000 And so I'm like, all right, let me try it and see.

00:05:17.000 But it's great if you get an error message on your computer.

00:05:20.000 Like, what does fucking Mac error 1101 mean?

00:05:23.000 And then you add it and it actually tells you in a very comprehensive way what that error message means.

00:05:28.000 It's better than Googling something.

00:05:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:30.000 So I'm using it for that.

00:05:31.000 It's great for a lot of things.

00:05:33.000 Kids are using it, though, unfortunately, for like term papers and shit, and they're getting busted because AI knows when it's AI, so they just run the paper into AI and AI goes, oh yeah, AI made.

00:05:43.000 Oh, yeah, that's my work.

00:05:44.000 That's so.

00:05:46.000 But I mean, it's good for looking things up.

00:05:48.000 Right now, I'm just using it as a better Google.

00:05:50.000 But when I attach it to my brain, no.

00:05:53.000 Because I was in it the other day, and it said, we detected suspicious activity, so they wanted me to log in.

00:05:58.000 Maybe because I had a VPN or something.

00:06:00.000 Because in Texas, you can't jerk off without a fucking VPN.

00:06:03.000 They want your license to watch porn.

00:06:06.000 It sucks.

00:06:08.000 We're protecting children too fucking late.

00:06:11.000 First of all, as if kids don't know about VPNs.

00:06:14.000 They all do.

00:06:15.000 And it's also one of those things where, like, I get you don't want your kids to watch porn.

00:06:18.000 That's fine.

00:06:19.000 And it's a lot harder.

00:06:20.000 It was harder when I was a child to get you to find magazines in the woods.

00:06:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:25.000 But that meant the smell of those old shitty magazines and find them and fucking hot.

00:06:29.000 It was the Best, but now, if I had it on my phone or I had the availability, I mean, my sex addiction would have been even worse.

00:06:35.000 So, I guess I get why they want to protect kids.

00:06:37.000 Oh, it's got to be fucking kids up.

00:06:39.000 It's not just that, but the violence that they see.

00:06:41.000 You see so much violence.

00:06:42.000 I see way more violence now than I've ever seen in my whole life.

00:06:45.000 Way more murders and car accidents and animal attacks.

00:06:49.000 And I see Tom Segura and I have this horrible text thread where we text each other the worst shit we find every day.

00:06:56.000 We're trying to freak each other out, and we've been doing it for years.

00:06:59.000 And so it's just my algorithm is fucked.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, it's just fucked.

00:07:04.000 There's certain sites, and I never promote the site just because it's like, it's just too gruesome.

00:07:08.000 But there's one site I go to where you can do everything.

00:07:11.000 They'd be headings.

00:07:12.000 And I would look at this stuff before bed, and I don't know why.

00:07:16.000 I wouldn't enjoy seeing it, but I would look at it, and it just gives you some kind of a weird, horrible feeling.

00:07:22.000 But there's certain things I can't watch at this point.

00:07:25.000 Like, I can't watch people burning anymore.

00:07:27.000 That's a rough one.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, yeah, at one point, oh, Bernie's rolled away.

00:07:32.000 I can't watch them anymore.

00:07:33.000 You know, it's all that.

00:07:34.000 That's such a crazy thing to say.

00:07:36.000 I can't watch people burning anymore.

00:07:37.000 I'm just, I'm all burnt out.

00:07:39.000 It bothered me.

00:07:40.000 It got to a point where I can't see beheadings anymore.

00:07:42.000 Like, there was a point where I could watch them and just almost watch detached, but now I just, it's too.

00:07:48.000 Do you remember the journalist?

00:07:51.000 Yes.

00:07:52.000 That's right.

00:07:52.000 Yeah.

00:07:53.000 He was like the first, but the cameraman panicked and kind of came off him a little bit.

00:07:58.000 And so they didn't, it was kind of, they showed it, but that was the first one.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:02.000 And then that guy they're called Jihad John, who was like, because he was British, and they eventually caught him.

00:08:08.000 I forget the other people he did, but it was like certain contractors and stuff that they would put in those orange jumpsuits to mimic Guantanamo.

00:08:16.000 And they would just cruise some shit, man.

00:08:18.000 Really gruesome shit.

00:08:19.000 Gruesome shit.

00:08:20.000 And it does fuck you up.

00:08:21.000 100%.

00:08:22.000 I don't know what it does, but it fucks you up.

00:08:25.000 Like, I don't know how it messes me up, but it definitely is not healthy.

00:08:28.000 Well, it makes you filled with anxiety and just knowing that that exists and then seeing it are two very different things.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, knowing it exists and seeing it.

00:08:38.000 And then I'm always like, well, I like watching, I can still watch car accidents because it's tangible.

00:08:45.000 Like a car accident is a tangible thing.

00:08:47.000 Like if you're not careful and you drive like an asshole, this is what happens to you.

00:08:52.000 Or if someone's driving like an asshole and you're not paying attention, you got to be aware of everybody.

00:08:55.000 Right.

00:08:56.000 So I try not to text and drive anymore.

00:08:58.000 I remember one time I was doing a gig and I was in full sex addict mode and fucking Sam Roberts, he was still an intern at that point, came with me because Kenny was busy.

00:09:07.000 So Sam came to help me sell merchandise.

00:09:09.000 And I remember he was, I think I, did I let him, no, I drove, but he was in the pastor's seat and I was just dirty talk texting the whole way home because I couldn't text and drive because he was in the car.

00:09:20.000 And I was like, I can't get fucking, I can't be texting some woman and kill the intern.

00:09:25.000 That would just be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

00:09:27.000 So it's like the texting and driving thing I've kind of backed off of.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, well, that's what Apple CarPlay is for. 0.87

00:09:33.000 You know?

00:09:33.000 No.

00:09:34.000 You don't do that?

00:09:35.000 Fuck, dude.

00:09:36.000 The idea of, I did that one time.

00:09:39.000 I connected my phone to a BMW X6.

00:09:43.000 My girlfriend at the time, my ex-girlfriend, came with me to the dealership, and the guy is telling me, oh, you should connect your phone.

00:09:50.000 And I do, and my fucking phone, my phone book, my contact list comes up.

00:09:57.000 And one of the girls, you know, I put how I knew her, and it was like a domination fantasy.

00:10:02.000 So that came up, her name, and domination fantasy came up on that little window in the X6.

00:10:07.000 And I'm like, I'll never connect anything to my car again.

00:10:11.000 There's just too much going on.

00:10:12.000 Just change the name.

00:10:14.000 I mean, how much time do I have to go back and change all the names?

00:10:16.000 Just change the name to like personal trainer.

00:10:21.000 But that's another code word.

00:10:23.000 It doesn't have to be.

00:10:24.000 I got busted one time talking dirty.

00:10:26.000 I was texting dirty and the girl, the escort's name came up on my phone. 0.99

00:10:30.000 And it was like one of those names that cannot be like a regular person.

00:10:33.000 So I ran, my girlfriend was fucking screaming at me in the car. 1.00

00:10:37.000 She's like, who the fuck is that?

00:10:38.000 And I'm like, it's fucking Anthony.

00:10:40.000 I'm like, I have a code word for Anthony in case I ever lose my phone.

00:10:43.000 So I had to run up into the bathroom and just like my fingers were shaking and change it to Anthony.

00:10:47.000 And then I came in 15 minutes later.

00:10:48.000 I'm like, see, it's Anthony.

00:10:49.000 But by then it was like, you blew it, Jim.

00:10:52.000 He got caught.

00:10:54.000 So I don't connect anything.

00:10:55.000 Even though I don't, I'm not, you know, fucking anybody else.

00:10:58.000 I still don't, I don't trust it.

00:10:59.000 I don't, I don't connect anything to my car.

00:11:01.000 Well, your phone is listening anyway.

00:11:02.000 Mine is for sure.

00:11:04.000 I've come to grips with the fact that everything that I text is getting read.

00:11:08.000 Probably.

00:11:09.000 100%.

00:11:10.000 No questions.

00:11:11.000 Through the ads.

00:11:12.000 Including stuff that's on Signal.

00:11:15.000 You know, Tucker told me that.

00:11:17.000 He said that the government knew that he was going to meet Putin because they read his signal.

00:11:24.000 And he's like, I didn't even know that that was possible.

00:11:26.000 Yeah.

00:11:27.000 Is that the one that they got caught using in the defense chats?

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:30.000 Signal?

00:11:31.000 But that was because there was another guy in the signal chat that I think someone let in the signal chat on purpose.

00:11:37.000 Was it on purpose or do you think it was one of those things where you fuck up and you just like, you know how you'll send something and a predictive text name comes up and you just hit, like if I'm going to text you and I accidentally J-O and all of a sudden it Joe DeRosa comes up.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 And I just send him.

00:11:52.000 I've done that before, but this was a giant group of people that are in the Defense Department.

00:11:57.000 How do you include a reporter in that?

00:11:59.000 That's a terrible mistake.

00:12:01.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:12:02.000 My ex publicist was badmouthing me to somebody and she actually sent it to me by mistake.

00:12:08.000 What did she say?

00:12:08.000 It wasn't an overt, it was one of those things where we weren't working together anymore.

00:12:12.000 And I was doing Neil Brennan's podcast.

00:12:15.000 And like, you have blocks where you talk about all these things that blocked.

00:12:19.000 And she sent something about like, oh, well, Norton's on three blocks already.

00:12:23.000 It was just, it was some comment that was not complimentary.

00:12:23.000 No shock.

00:12:27.000 And then it was like, oh, sorry, I meant that for him.

00:12:29.000 And I just kind of left it there.

00:12:30.000 I'm like, I got it.

00:12:31.000 I knew you didn't like me.

00:12:32.000 That's why I left you.

00:12:34.000 Your own publicists hate your guts.

00:12:35.000 It's a fucking thing.

00:12:36.000 Publicists can be such a problem.

00:12:38.000 And so incompatible with people that are wild.

00:12:42.000 Yes, because all they want to do is they have to paint it in a way that's palatable to everybody.

00:12:47.000 Like, I understand that.

00:12:49.000 It's a hard job and you have some fucking asshole who's out trying to get lazy.

00:12:52.000 It's just like a guy like you or someone who says wild things.

00:12:56.000 It's like that's part of the fun of being you.

00:12:59.000 Yes, but it also comes back and it's here's where it's negative.

00:13:04.000 I do on YouTube, I have the podcast and I'm trying to do podcast ads.

00:13:07.000 I've never, you know, I've never bought ads on YouTube before, but I'm like, it doesn't buy you views.

00:13:11.000 It just puts it like where people will see it, and if they like it, they click on it.

00:13:14.000 Every one of my ads gets shot down.

00:13:16.000 They accused me of election advertising in the United States.

00:13:20.000 I put up an ad and they said this violates election advertising.

00:13:24.000 And I didn't even know how to respond to that.

00:13:26.000 What was the ad?

00:13:28.000 It might have been a, I had George Santos on, but it was.

00:13:31.000 It was just a funny podcast.

00:13:32.000 That guy's hilarious.

00:13:33.000 Dude, he was fucking, he told me how bad Jerry Nadler smelled.

00:13:38.000 I asked him who had the worst breath in Congress, and he wouldn't answer, but he told me the worst body order was Jerry Nadler.

00:13:42.000 And it was just funny.

00:13:44.000 He's just funny.

00:13:44.000 He's a character.

00:13:45.000 He is.

00:13:46.000 It's just amazing that he was a congressman.

00:13:48.000 I know.

00:13:49.000 I have a real affection.

00:13:50.000 You know how it is when you meet somebody?

00:13:51.000 It's like they're always more human when you meet them, and it's harder to not like somebody.

00:13:56.000 Like, I don't agree with Lauren Bobart, but I met her and she couldn't have been nicer. 0.61

00:13:58.000 And I'm like, I can't dislike her.

00:13:59.000 She was nice to me.

00:14:01.000 So whenever you meet someone, and I had him over, and he was great.

00:14:04.000 He was funny, a sense of humor about himself, and he was shit talking and catty.

00:14:08.000 And I was like, fuck, I love this guy.

00:14:10.000 But they accused me of election advertising.

00:14:12.000 So now so many times I've tried to put ads after, and they continually say it's either shocking content or election advertising.

00:14:19.000 Oh, they're just targeting you.

00:14:20.000 They're just targeting me.

00:14:20.000 And it's like, how are you supposed to advertise comedy with some profanity in it if it's shocking content?

00:14:26.000 How was that election?

00:14:27.000 I mean, he's not even running for anything.

00:14:29.000 And it wasn't a political rally podcast at all.

00:14:34.000 It was just us talking about what happened.

00:14:36.000 And we chatted politics, but I don't push political views on people.

00:14:40.000 They've got you labeled right-wing, which is kind of funny.

00:14:43.000 It really is.

00:14:44.000 It is so funny.

00:14:45.000 And people don't know what to, like the conservatives, it's so funny.

00:14:48.000 People come see me from Guttfeld.

00:14:49.000 So I do Guttfeld a lot, and his people will come see me.

00:14:52.000 And it's just fun when I talk about my wife to watch the joy drain out of their faces.

00:14:56.000 Oh, it's a trans woman. 0.99

00:14:58.000 Oh, we had no idea.

00:14:59.000 That's not the type of tucker we like, buddy. 0.99

00:15:04.000 They get very, it's a very weird place to be.

00:15:07.000 People who like my humor don't necessarily like my personal life, and people who like my personal life don't necessarily like my humor.

00:15:14.000 It's a weird, I guess if nobody feels like you're 100% in with them, they don't know what to make of you.

00:15:21.000 Well, you were saying that about Oliver Anthony that I wasn't aware of, that he was getting in trouble apparently right after Richman North of Richmond came out, that people were saying he wasn't really conservative.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, they were giving him shit about saying like, oh, he's not who we thought he was.

00:15:37.000 Meanwhile, he writes this great song and people love it.

00:15:39.000 And they look at his art and they love his art.

00:15:42.000 But because he feels a little bit differently, a lot of people turned on him.

00:15:45.000 And it was like, what are you doing?

00:15:46.000 I wasn't even aware of that at all.

00:15:50.000 Do you know what the subject was?

00:15:52.000 I don't remember if he had said something after it or if they went back and found out things he had said prior that they felt like his politics didn't line up.

00:16:01.000 It's almost like when they got mad about a fucking Dylan Mulvaney, like needing to connect to the belief system of somebody who drinks the same beverage is just such fucking psychotic.

00:16:14.000 Then again, I've drank piss, so I don't expect a whole lot of people to line up politically and rally behind me with fucking yellow flags. 0.86

00:16:20.000 But I just don't care.

00:16:24.000 I don't give a fuck.

00:16:25.000 I don't care who believes it or like, I don't care like what the, I mean, I'm a fucking Sabbath fan.

00:16:30.000 I don't give a shit who those guys vote for.

00:16:32.000 It's so inconsequential to me.

00:16:36.000 It's just a symptom of this bizarrely disconnected society where everybody's so separated.

00:16:43.000 And it's got to be driving you crazy.

00:16:43.000 It is.

00:16:45.000 Or maybe you detach from it because you see things.

00:16:47.000 I mean, I know you, so I'll see them say like, he's just right.

00:16:50.000 And I'm like, you guys don't really know Joe.

00:16:53.000 To see yourself painted in such a way has got to be at one point frustrating and then you have to just let it go, right?

00:16:59.000 Yeah, you got to let it go.

00:17:00.000 But when I, I mean, the most frustrating thing was seeing it on CNN.

00:17:04.000 I was like, okay, so this thing that I thought was the news forever.

00:17:07.000 Right.

00:17:08.000 Now I know you're not accurate at all because you're attacking me and you're painting me in this very bizarre light because it's convenient for you.

00:17:17.000 There is a weird thing.

00:17:18.000 And maybe this is, again, because I'm in my 50s and I remember like thinking the news was real and accurate because I remember Walter Cronkite and all that shit.

00:17:27.000 And it's this constant sense of disappointment.

00:17:30.000 Like, fuck.

00:17:31.000 Like they're really not what I, like, I'm still an idiot who believes in like the adults and they're going to do the right thing.

00:17:37.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 And it just constantly is a confirmation that, yeah, they are.

00:17:40.000 They're liars.

00:17:41.000 They're fucking biased liars.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, and they're paid to lie.

00:17:44.000 They're just propagandists.

00:17:45.000 That's what the news, the mainstream news is.

00:17:48.000 I mean, there's real news now.

00:17:50.000 You can get the real news from Glenn Greenwald.

00:17:52.000 You can get the real news from Matt Taibbi.

00:17:54.000 There's a few people out there that'll give you unbiased news.

00:17:57.000 But it's so funny, like even them, you know, when they will highlight a very particular thing that maybe Trump did or someone did on the right and everybody attacks them.

00:18:06.000 It's like, do you want them to lie just because you want your team to be infallible?

00:18:12.000 Like, what do you want?

00:18:13.000 And Glenn Greenwald, I had never heard of him.

00:18:16.000 I don't really follow a lot of what people are saying.

00:18:18.000 I don't watch debates, but I obviously heard about him when that video came out and I saw, and I loved how he handled that.

00:18:25.000 Yeah, he handed it great.

00:18:26.000 Privacy invasions are so fucking disgusting.

00:18:29.000 They're disgusting when they're done to anybody.

00:18:30.000 I don't care how much you hate the guy's guts.

00:18:33.000 But I was like, I don't even know who this guy is, but I like how he addressed that.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, it's my private life and tough shit.

00:18:39.000 I like that he handled that, I thought, very, very, he just took it head on.

00:18:44.000 Well, John Ronson talked about that in his book, You've Been Publicly Shamed.

00:18:47.000 Yes.

00:18:48.000 You know, like if you're not ashamed, then it doesn't work.

00:18:51.000 And that's the reality of it.

00:18:52.000 And Glenn handled it perfectly.

00:18:54.000 He's not ashamed.

00:18:55.000 Or you can't let them see you're ashamed because I wake up just dipped in it.

00:18:55.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 I fucking, it's the first thing I think of.

00:19:04.000 Good morning, Shame.

00:19:05.000 But that's, you're open about it, though.

00:19:07.000 I mean, that's the thing.

00:19:08.000 It's like they can't really attack you for something that you're attacking yourself for.

00:19:11.000 Yes.

00:19:12.000 And if you tell them, like I did something, like I, it's so, it's so, I watched, my special premiered and I went into YouTube and I watched it with people as they were watching and just commenting and talking and this horrible feeling of shame.

00:19:27.000 Even when people are being nice, I can't get away from how embarrassed I am.

00:19:32.000 It's almost like if people see you doing something, you're like, oh, Jimmy's trying.

00:19:36.000 Look at little Jimmy trying.

00:19:38.000 And I was typing back and everything, but it's so anti what feels good for me to do.

00:19:44.000 Even when people are being nice, I find it horrifying and humiliating.

00:19:48.000 I don't know where that comes from, but I kind of wish I didn't have it.

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00:20:52.000 Well, I think everybody hates watching themselves.

00:20:55.000 First of all, because when I watch a comic, I want to watch a comic doing material either that I know and I want to see again.

00:21:02.000 You know, like if I'm watching Shane and he's doing his bit on the Navy SEALs, I want to see it again.

00:21:08.000 Or I just want to see it.

00:21:11.000 You know, I want to just, I've never seen it develop.

00:21:15.000 I want to see the thing.

00:21:16.000 But when you're doing it, you're aware of everything.

00:21:19.000 You're aware of all the edits you've made.

00:21:21.000 You're aware of all the different ways you've done it.

00:21:23.000 You're aware of when you're trying to sell it a little too much and you're not in the moment.

00:21:28.000 You know, like there's all the grossness that you see that other people aren't going to see.

00:21:32.000 Where you're like, ew.

00:21:34.000 It's fucking.

00:21:35.000 I hate watching myself.

00:21:36.000 Dude, it was so hard.

00:21:37.000 It was so hard not to just attack myself in the chat.

00:21:40.000 Like, all I wanted to do was watch it and go, boo, suck. 0.98

00:21:46.000 Nice, blinking 56-year-old.

00:21:50.000 But I didn't do it.

00:21:51.000 I'm like, don't be a fucking, I think it was Jay Okerson was doing something, and he did his special, and he shot it at SkankFest one year.

00:21:57.000 And I think Lewis took him out, and they were looking at the stage before.

00:22:00.000 And I was one of those guys, like, you know, Jay is just like, oh, he's a fucking, oh, fuck it.

00:22:04.000 And I think Lewis goes, you know, sometimes I know we're like that, but you just got to enjoy it.

00:22:08.000 Like, once, and I thought of that, I'm like, sometimes just enjoy things are going okay.

00:22:12.000 You're happy with what you did.

00:22:12.000 Yeah.

00:22:14.000 I love the material.

00:22:14.000 I love the special.

00:22:15.000 Don't put yourself in a position where you're like, you fucking suck.

00:22:18.000 Like, it doesn't have to be that way.

00:22:20.000 Just put it out there and walk away from it.

00:22:23.000 Leave it alone.

00:22:24.000 Let people decide what they decide.

00:22:26.000 And if you don't like it, you just work on the next one and make sure that you don't make the same mistakes twice.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 That's it.

00:22:33.000 That's all you can do.

00:22:34.000 But I spent a lot of time, like, I wouldn't, I don't think I've ever loved anything as I put it out.

00:22:39.000 This I like more, but the older you get, the better you get.

00:22:41.000 So it's like a little easier now than it was.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 The first tonight show I did was 2004.

00:22:46.000 And I was out in L.A. and there was my buddy Joey Silvera, who worked for Evil Angel and would film a lot of the greatest porn.

00:22:52.000 Joey was a fucking, you'd recognize him if you saw him.

00:22:54.000 He was in old movies.

00:22:55.000 So I went to his house to watch my first tonight show with another guy, this other guy, Brandon Iron.

00:23:02.000 And I went to the basement while they watched it upstairs.

00:23:05.000 I couldn't watch it in front of other people.

00:23:07.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:23:08.000 It was just, and it's not to be because I think I'm an artist.

00:23:10.000 It's just humiliating.

00:23:10.000 It's fucking, it's embarrassing.

00:23:13.000 Yeah.

00:23:14.000 Because I feel like I'm like, are you going to laugh?

00:23:16.000 Like, I just, I don't want people to feel pressured to laugh because I'm around.

00:23:21.000 It's weird.

00:23:22.000 It's weird watching yourself.

00:23:23.000 Some guys can do it, though.

00:23:24.000 Yeah, they're psychos.

00:23:25.000 They are fucking psychopaths.

00:23:27.000 They're probably not healthy.

00:23:29.000 Oh, my God, dude.

00:23:31.000 Do you know what mental illness you need to sit someone down next to you when you're special's playing?

00:23:34.000 How about people that want you to watch their thing and they want to sit there with you?

00:23:38.000 Like, hey, watch this.

00:23:39.000 And you're like, I don't, I don't know.

00:23:41.000 it's it puts you in a weird It works out nicely.

00:23:50.000 But if I do something I like, I have to see it first and I have to watch it and go, okay, I'm not embarrassed by this.

00:23:55.000 I can go and watch it in a premiere.

00:23:57.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:23:58.000 Like, I have to see it first to know if I'm going to feel humiliated.

00:24:03.000 The Irishman I didn't see first, obviously, Scroe's not going to send me a fucking cut.

00:24:07.000 And I didn't know I made it until like literally the night before.

00:24:10.000 But that was different because I'm like, I don't care how, whatever.

00:24:12.000 It was just, it was a stand-up performance.

00:24:14.000 Right, right, right.

00:24:15.000 A little bit easier than acting.

00:24:17.000 It's humiliating.

00:24:18.000 Yeah, it's gross.

00:24:19.000 I don't like any of it.

00:24:21.000 I've been in a couple movies.

00:24:22.000 I've refused to go to the red carpet.

00:24:24.000 I sneak in through the back.

00:24:26.000 I'm like, they were like, I want you to walk the red carpet.

00:24:28.000 I'm like, nope.

00:24:29.000 Is it because you don't like, because everyone would talk to you?

00:24:31.000 I'm afraid no one's going to talk to me on the red carpet.

00:24:34.000 Do you know how embarrassing it is when you hear that person who walks you through in the front and like you're standing there ready for your moment and you hear her going, Jim Norton?

00:24:44.000 And then you'll hear a second and then she goes, Jim Norton, he's a comedian.

00:24:47.000 And I was like, oh, fuck.

00:24:48.000 They have no idea who I am.

00:24:50.000 It's just humiliating.

00:24:52.000 So I don't like doing it, man.

00:24:53.000 I just don't like the attention.

00:24:55.000 I don't like standing there while they take pictures, just standing there, just looking around.

00:24:59.000 Look at me, Joe.

00:25:00.000 Look at me.

00:25:01.000 Over here.

00:25:02.000 Over here.

00:25:02.000 Some people love it.

00:25:04.000 Actresses love it. 1.00

00:25:06.000 They pose.

00:25:06.000 They give you their good side.

00:25:09.000 Yeah.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:11.000 Give you a little bit of practice in the mirror.

00:25:13.000 Ugh.

00:25:14.000 But I almost understand it.

00:25:15.000 I have more tolerance for actors who love it because even though they're as big of attention idiots as we are, they don't get the constant feedback.

00:25:24.000 Like for them, it's their night of feedback.

00:25:26.000 Right.

00:25:27.000 Whereas with us, we're like, I mean, I've been on a run for like four nights.

00:25:32.000 Before I came here, actually, at the cell, I had four like shit nights in a row.

00:25:35.000 Just all the material I'm doing now is new.

00:25:37.000 So it's like, I'm trying this.

00:25:38.000 And, you know, it just feels like you're Frankensteining it.

00:25:40.000 It's not there yet.

00:25:42.000 But I know I'm going to have another night and another night.

00:25:44.000 And that comes and goes quickly.

00:25:46.000 But actors, they have like one night to stand there and smile.

00:25:49.000 And then they just get attacked in the fucking, in the comments or in the reviews.

00:25:53.000 So I'm a little more tolerant of them than comedians who, because comedians who love that, it's like, how much fucking attention do you need, dude?

00:25:59.000 Yeah.

00:26:00.000 Yeah.

00:26:00.000 You constantly get feedback.

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 You should be shying away from feedback.

00:26:05.000 Too much feedback is bad for you.

00:26:06.000 Dude.

00:26:07.000 I really believe that?

00:26:08.000 100%.

00:26:08.000 And I stopped reading Twitter comments.

00:26:11.000 Occasionally, I'll do it now.

00:26:13.000 And it wasn't just to say I wasn't reading them, it was because even positive feedback, I call, I'm like, you needy fuck.

00:26:19.000 How much, you know, how many taps on the shoulder do you need?

00:26:22.000 How many, like, good job, Jim, or you suck.

00:26:25.000 Like, how much interaction from people do you need?

00:26:28.000 It's not normal.

00:26:29.000 It's not healthy.

00:26:30.000 I stopped reading almost everything, even stuff that's not me.

00:26:33.000 And I stopped a couple of weeks ago.

00:26:35.000 I just stopped going on social media.

00:26:37.000 I will occasionally, if someone sends me something funny, I'll watch it.

00:26:41.000 But then I get off my phone right away.

00:26:44.000 And I think on my new phone number that I'm going to get, I'm not going to have any social media.

00:26:48.000 I'm just going to keep my old phone number and only use that for social media.

00:26:51.000 I just don't think it's good for you.

00:26:52.000 It's not.

00:26:53.000 And although there's times, like my algorithm, I'm obsessed with, I think we talk about a lot of just Japanese hornets and a lot of MMA.

00:26:59.000 Like my algorithm is healthier now than it would be.

00:27:02.000 There's still a few things that will pop up that, you know, show what I've been looking at.

00:27:06.000 Like if my wife is next to me, she'll see what I'm looking at.

00:27:08.000 I'm like, well, I'm not, you know, you know how it is.

00:27:11.000 You go down the rabbit hole, you probably shouldn't go down.

00:27:13.000 But it's not as unhealthy as it would have been at one point.

00:27:15.000 Like a lot of it is just MMA stuff and animals and nice shit.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, I get a lot of that.

00:27:21.000 A lot of it is people getting knocked out.

00:27:23.000 You like the knocked out?

00:27:24.000 I like watching jiu-jitsu tips because then I'll bring them in and ask the guy to show me.

00:27:29.000 Is it possible to do this?

00:27:30.000 And he'll kind of show me and I'll just forget it.

00:27:32.000 But it's fun.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, I've got a lot of that too.

00:27:35.000 But it's just, I just think it's a giant waste of time.

00:27:38.000 And it's also your brain needs time to just think.

00:27:42.000 And you need time to just be in your own head and think about your own thoughts and trying to formulate them properly.

00:27:49.000 Really, like, get an understanding.

00:27:50.000 Like, why do I think this way?

00:27:52.000 What is it about this that I've decided is correct?

00:27:56.000 Right.

00:27:56.000 And roll it around.

00:27:57.000 And when you're constantly looking at other people's thoughts, I just don't think it gives you much time for that.

00:28:02.000 That's exactly it.

00:28:03.000 Why do I think what I think?

00:28:06.000 Hitchens did a great speech. 0.87

00:28:07.000 It was in Toronto about free speech.

00:28:09.000 And one of the things he was talking about is when somebody says something that you don't agree with.

00:28:14.000 I think the example he gave was Holocaust denial.

00:28:16.000 He goes, you have to protect that person's speech because if nothing else, it makes you examine, okay, well, how do I know what I know?

00:28:24.000 How do I know other than someone told me?

00:28:26.000 Like, you have to kind of examine how you come to your own conclusions.

00:28:30.000 And I do that a lot.

00:28:32.000 Like in the shower, I'll just kind of stand there.

00:28:34.000 It's really like we all have a weird showering method.

00:28:36.000 I just kind of stand there with my hands like this.

00:28:37.000 It's bizarre.

00:28:38.000 It's womb-like. 0.74

00:28:39.000 And I just stand there and I think or I go through arguments or I go through conversations or debates.

00:28:45.000 And that's the one time I really get to think during the day where I don't let anything else interfere.

00:28:51.000 But being off social media is probably a lot healthier.

00:28:53.000 Just, again, it's other people's thoughts.

00:28:55.000 I don't care what people think.

00:28:56.000 I don't know why I read it.

00:28:57.000 Well, I care what people think, but I don't care enough to have that intervene and invade my thoughts all day long.

00:29:05.000 I mean, I'm fascinated by people, but I like to talk to them for real, for real, like this.

00:29:10.000 This is like, you know, because I think that's also having a podcast and having what I think is the best way to communicate with people and to be so lucky to be able to do it all the time.

00:29:21.000 I think I get plenty of other people's input.

00:29:24.000 Right.

00:29:25.000 And you get the real opinions and you get to, you sense in the room with a person, again, it's harder to dislike or to caricature somebody when you've met them and when you've actually sat with them.

00:29:36.000 It's like, nah, I know this person.

00:29:38.000 I kind of felt their energy.

00:29:39.000 And it's like, they're just a regular person.

00:29:41.000 It's easy when you look at somebody to hate their guts.

00:29:44.000 And I've bashed a few people.

00:29:46.000 It was always so embarrassing.

00:29:47.000 We would do Joctober.

00:29:48.000 And ONA never went into other people's studios, but I would.

00:29:52.000 And I'd be on the road.

00:29:53.000 And it was the fucking, I was in Boston with Kenny one time.

00:29:56.000 He's like, they're having you in, but you jocktober them.

00:29:58.000 And I was like, oh, oh.

00:30:03.000 So I went in and you just go, they're like, yeah, you really.

00:30:08.000 And I'm like, yeah, man, it was just something we do.

00:30:10.000 But you face it and you realize, yeah, they're nice guys.

00:30:12.000 It was just, it's a dumb radio show.

00:30:14.000 I had fun.

00:30:15.000 And I've actually become friendly with a couple of guys who we used to attack.

00:30:18.000 But you only get that through meeting somebody and actually talking to them one.

00:30:22.000 The worst is when you meet someone and you have a conversation with them and you're cool.

00:30:25.000 You think, oh, we're good.

00:30:27.000 And then they'll go and talk shit about you somewhere else and completely mischaracterize you.

00:30:31.000 Have you had that?

00:30:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:33.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 I've had that.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, that's embarrassing.

00:30:36.000 It's sad.

00:30:36.000 It feels bad.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, well, it's just like, okay.

00:30:39.000 Well, I'll never talk to you again because I know that you do this now.

00:30:42.000 It's crazy.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 But it's also, it's like, why are you doing that?

00:30:46.000 Generally, it's when I had a conversation with them and it didn't go well for them.

00:30:50.000 So then they just harbor that thing and then they just fucking stew it in their head and then they just mischaracterize you and try to twist you around because they're trying to win this argument they already lost.

00:30:50.000 Right.

00:31:01.000 Yes.

00:31:02.000 You know, it's like, you know, when you get in an argument and you didn't have anything to say and then you're in the shower, you're like, oh, I should have said this.

00:31:08.000 I should have said that.

00:31:09.000 They're just doing that and they're just going and doing that on another podcast.

00:31:12.000 Yes, re-litigating what the jury has already come in.

00:31:16.000 Yes.

00:31:17.000 And it's human instinct to do.

00:31:19.000 I also think sometimes people do it and they don't think you're going to see it.

00:31:23.000 Like, especially when you have such a high level of recognition that if somebody, they're probably like, he'll never see this.

00:31:28.000 And I can just, and then you see it and they're probably like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.

00:31:33.000 But I've read things that hurt my feelings.

00:31:34.000 And I'm like, why would you say that?

00:31:36.000 I was nice to you.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 It's weird.

00:31:38.000 I don't know.

00:31:39.000 It's like, you know, humans are so strange. 0.98

00:31:42.000 We're so strange in our weird little quirks and the way we communicate with each other and what is truth, what's real, who are you?

00:31:49.000 You know, who are you?

00:31:51.000 You're different every day.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 You're different depending on how your day went.

00:31:55.000 You know, your reaction to something is.

00:31:56.000 I remember one time this guy wasn't paying attention.

00:32:00.000 Traffic was stopped and he rear-ended me.

00:32:02.000 And he didn't have a license.

00:32:04.000 He's from Mexico.

00:32:05.000 But I had been doing yoga like every day.

00:32:08.000 And I was like, you okay?

00:32:09.000 And he's like, yeah, I'm okay.

00:32:10.000 I'm like, all right, man.

00:32:11.000 And I go, why don't you have a license?

00:32:13.000 He's like, I can't get a license.

00:32:16.000 I go, well, so why are you driving?

00:32:17.000 He's like, I got to work.

00:32:18.000 I go, all right.

00:32:20.000 I get it.

00:32:20.000 I wasn't mad at him, but it was because I was doing yoga like every day.

00:32:23.000 We were doing this hot yoga challenge.

00:32:25.000 Ari and Tom and Bert and I. I remember that.

00:32:28.000 We were doing it like, I was doing yoga like every day.

00:32:30.000 So I was so calm.

00:32:32.000 I was like, okay, well, take care of yourself.

00:32:34.000 I'm going to get out of here.

00:32:35.000 Because his car was fucked.

00:32:36.000 My car was fucked, but it was drivable.

00:32:39.000 It was a Porsche.

00:32:40.000 it was a really nice car.

00:32:42.000 And he had like this fucking shitty Honda.

00:32:45.000 But, you know, the way he broke, like when you break, your front end dives down.

00:32:50.000 And so he kind of got under my car and lifted my car up a little bit and caved in my back bumper a little bit.

00:32:56.000 But they just replaced the bar and the engine wasn't fucked and my exhaust was dented a little bit.

00:33:01.000 His car was fucked.

00:33:02.000 He couldn't drive.

00:33:03.000 So he got to be there when the cops came.

00:33:05.000 And, you know, he couldn't drive away.

00:33:07.000 Right.

00:33:07.000 And I was like, I don't know what to tell.

00:33:09.000 I'm going to get out of here.

00:33:09.000 Oh, you just left?

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:10.000 I was like, he doesn't have any money.

00:33:10.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 Like, I'm going to pay for this.

00:33:14.000 And I'm like, this is going to hurt me.

00:33:14.000 Yes.

00:33:15.000 I have the money to fix it.

00:33:17.000 So, all right, take care, man.

00:33:18.000 Glad you're okay.

00:33:19.000 Being Zen like that, like, because it reminds me of, I was leaving the Holland Tunnel with Karen Feehan.

00:33:24.000 We were doing a gig in Jersey.

00:33:25.000 It was bumper to bumper.

00:33:27.000 And I came, you know, there was like that merge where you think you're never going to get out of it.

00:33:31.000 And a guy stopped.

00:33:33.000 He goes, you hit my car.

00:33:35.000 And I'm like, I know I didn't hit his car.

00:33:37.000 But he made us, it was bumper to bumper.

00:33:40.000 I'm like, let's just talk on the other side of the tunnel.

00:33:42.000 Like, let's get out of this fuck because I was going to be late for the gig.

00:33:44.000 And he goes, no, we're going to pull over and wait for the police.

00:33:47.000 So I'm like, oh, this piece of shit is trying to shake me down.

00:33:51.000 So we wound up, one of those awful traffic women was there. 1.00

00:33:54.000 You know, the people that just, they work for the city and they dress like cops, but they're not cops.

00:33:58.000 But if you assault one of them, it's like a big deal.

00:34:00.000 So we pulled over and I said, is it okay if we just trade licenses?

00:34:04.000 And she went, yeah, just trade licenses, which I think kind of shamed him into like letting us move on.

00:34:09.000 But otherwise, he was going to have me fucking held up there or pay him on the license.

00:34:13.000 So you didn't hit his car at all?

00:34:15.000 Karen said I didn't.

00:34:16.000 It was a merge.

00:34:17.000 And if I did, it was a one-mile an hour bump, but there was no mark on his car at all.

00:34:21.000 I think the whole thing was a scam because we traded licenses and I never heard from the guy.

00:34:25.000 Have you ever seen that thing where people get in front of people's cars and slam on the brakes?

00:34:29.000 I've seen it.

00:34:30.000 And I mean, it's terrible.

00:34:30.000 Oh.

00:34:32.000 And the best is when you have a dash cam and then you see them, they recognize the dash cam and then they just scurry back into their cars.

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00:36:00.000 There was one recently, I think it was in New Jersey, where these people, they tried it and it didn't work.

00:36:04.000 Then they threw it in reverse and backed up fast and slammed into this guy's car, or this lady's car, but she had a dash cam the entire time. 0.98

00:36:13.000 And she's on the phone.

00:36:14.000 Oh my God.

00:36:15.000 These people just backed up into me and then they got out of the car and they're like, what did you do?

00:36:19.000 And then they saw the dash cam like, oh, fuck.

00:36:19.000 What did you do?

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 I've seen that.

00:36:23.000 That's what I'm referring to.

00:36:24.000 Did they scurry back into the car and take off?

00:36:26.000 Yep.

00:36:27.000 Yep.

00:36:28.000 When I saw, like, I'm so cynical.

00:36:30.000 Like, people in Philly, you got to love people in Philly.

00:36:32.000 Like, if a bus hits something, there's like locals that will just run up and just lay next to the bus like they were in the fucking accident, which is, I get it, you know what I mean?

00:36:39.000 But they forget that there's cameras everywhere and they can just see you walking up.

00:36:42.000 But this India, Air India plane crash, I was, my first thought was that this guy, they said, survived.

00:36:47.000 I'm like, oh, he's bullshitting.

00:36:48.000 He didn't.

00:36:49.000 He's faking it.

00:36:49.000 Right.

00:36:50.000 No, he survived.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, because they said his brother was on the plane or something.

00:36:51.000 But he did survive.

00:36:55.000 See you at 11A.

00:36:55.000 11A.

00:36:56.000 And by the way, to all the people who are going to now look for 11A, stop.

00:37:00.000 Yes.

00:37:01.000 If anything else, that's the last seat you should take.

00:37:03.000 Usually it's the back where you're best off.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, I wonder if the plane broke open and he just got.

00:37:09.000 There's a woman who was a, I think she was a teenager when it happened.

00:37:12.000 It was called the girl who fell from the sky.

00:37:15.000 And she had apparently, they were like two miles up and the plane blew up, whatever, and it came apart and she fell two miles. 0.73

00:37:21.000 Somehow survived.

00:37:22.000 The soldier survived.

00:37:23.000 She had a barn, right?

00:37:24.000 Didn't she go through the roof of a barn or something?

00:37:26.000 No, she fell into the, what do they call the fucking, the Brazil rainforest. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Oh, the Amazon?

00:37:34.000 Brazil?

00:37:34.000 She fell into the Amazon, was gone for 10 days.

00:37:37.000 Apparently, again, unless I was bullshit, they said she found an old boat with gas and she had to pour that out on one of her wounds to kill the maggots.

00:37:45.000 And then she finally did get out and get rescued.

00:37:47.000 And look at this.

00:37:49.000 Juliana.

00:37:50.000 A 17-year-old miraculous survived falling 10,000 feet from a plane, then surviving 11 days.

00:37:55.000 Isn't 10,000 feet, isn't that two miles?

00:37:57.000 No, what's a mile?

00:37:58.000 Yeah, it's about two miles.

00:37:59.000 Two miles?

00:38:00.000 Yeah.

00:38:01.000 Do you imagine falling two miles from a plane?

00:38:01.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:04.000 She survived 11 days alone in the Peruvian Amazon rainforest.

00:38:07.000 After the plane, she was on, she was struck by lightning.

00:38:10.000 Jesus, I didn't read that part.

00:38:12.000 The plane was struck by lightning and disintegrated in the air.

00:38:16.000 Still strapped to her seat, fell from the sky and survived.

00:38:19.000 Holy shit.

00:38:20.000 What did she hit, though?

00:38:21.000 Did she hit like a mountain and slide?

00:38:23.000 Like, how do you, the impact, I don't know how you survived that impact.

00:38:26.000 Oh, my God.

00:38:27.000 She had a broken collarbone, a torn knee ligament.

00:38:30.000 That's it.

00:38:31.000 After the crash, she spent 11 days alone in the jungle before being rescued.

00:38:34.000 She found a lumberjack camp.

00:38:37.000 Wow.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:38:40.000 Wow.

00:38:40.000 She became a respected scientist, specializing in mammology and focusing on bats.

00:38:47.000 Wouldn't it be funny if she was the lady who released COVID?

00:38:51.000 Because her memory's no good anymore after the plane crash.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, drink this.

00:38:56.000 She specialized on bats and she got a job in Wuhan.

00:38:58.000 She had no idea.

00:38:59.000 She had no idea.

00:39:00.000 She's like, be free.

00:39:02.000 Bit some guy selling fish on the corner and he went and fucked somebody.

00:39:07.000 But there was another one, too.

00:39:08.000 There was a flight attendant, and again, who I think was trapped, the front of the plane fell, and I think that she was almost from 30,000 feet.

00:39:17.000 And if I remember correctly, it hit a mountain and it was almost like she hit it on the right angle and slides like this.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, highest fall without a parachute in history.

00:39:27.000 33,000-foot plunge after a plane explosion in 72. She was the only survivor.

00:39:32.000 Crashed into the mountains of Czechoslovakia after a suspected bomb detonated.

00:39:36.000 Jeez.

00:39:38.000 The lady who fell her parachute didn't open and she landed on a pile of ants, fire ants, and the fire ants kept her alive. 0.97

00:39:44.000 Right, right.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 Somehow or another the fire ants the the shock of the sting of fire ants kept her alive Why did it slow her heart down or something or stop it from?

00:39:54.000 Yeah You mentioned the odds of falling into a fire ant pile?

00:39:58.000 It's usually a bad thing to land in a mound of fire ants at 80 miles an hour, but not if you're Joan Murphy.

00:40:03.000 Oh, Joan Murray.

00:40:05.000 14,000 feet right into a fucking pile.

00:40:09.000 50% chance of surviving a fall of 48 feet.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 Which is a four-story building.

00:40:14.000 The mortality rate rushes all the way up to 90 when you fall 84 feet, a distance of a seven-story building.

00:40:20.000 So if you're falling from a whopping 14,500 feet, just over two and a half miles, you safely bet you're almost definitely not going to get out alive.

00:40:28.000 One woman did. 0.98

00:40:30.000 So she fell.

00:40:31.000 A backup parachute opened at 700 feet, quickly deflated.

00:40:35.000 She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour. 1.00

00:40:38.000 She survived.

00:40:40.000 Arrows.

00:40:42.000 She survived thanks to the fact that she landed directly on a mound of fire ants.

00:40:47.000 Doctors believe the intense shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline that kept her heart beating.

00:40:56.000 Whoa.

00:40:56.000 By the way, does that prove to you how little I know about the human body?

00:40:59.000 My instinct said that, oh, your heart slows down.

00:41:02.000 Like, I thought, like, oh, maybe it would slow your heart down when they bit you, and it does just the opposite.

00:41:06.000 I thought, like, maybe, maybe it slows your beat down like being frozen.

00:41:09.000 I bet that's just a wild guess as to why it kept her alive, because if she was putty, you know, there's no way it would have kept her alive.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, maybe it stopped her heart from, or maybe they got to her right after, too.

00:41:19.000 Who knows?

00:41:20.000 You watch that guy who fucking lets things bite him in the woods, coyote something?

00:41:25.000 You know, he's got a fire.

00:41:27.000 He's a psychopath, but his stuff is very entertaining.

00:41:29.000 But I think he said the bullet ant.

00:41:31.000 The bullet ant or the Japanese hornet was the worst.

00:41:34.000 The bullet ant's supposed to be the worst.

00:41:35.000 The bullet ant's supposed to be like 24 hours of intense pain.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, my friend Steve got bit by one of those.

00:41:41.000 On purpose or no?

00:41:42.000 No, he was in the Amazon.

00:41:44.000 He got bit on his foot.

00:41:46.000 And was it as bad as he said?

00:41:48.000 He said for hours it was just impossible.

00:41:50.000 The pain was just impossible.

00:41:52.000 And then it's slowly dissipated to kind of manageable.

00:41:57.000 Is that what they put in the gloves?

00:41:59.000 Did you see that one?

00:42:00.000 The tribe where they do that and their hands are like blackened by bites.

00:42:03.000 Did Stevo do that?

00:42:05.000 Yeah, he did that.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, he put the gloves on.

00:42:08.000 How long did he last?

00:42:11.000 Well, once you get bit, it's a 24-hour experience.

00:42:15.000 Yeah, I'm very squeamish.

00:42:17.000 Insects, it's funny.

00:42:18.000 I've never gotten over this insect.

00:42:19.000 I think I saw a kid.

00:42:20.000 There was a brother and sister when I was a kid.

00:42:22.000 We were all the same age.

00:42:23.000 I think she was a year older than me and him were.

00:42:25.000 And there was such a bizarre little friendship because they used to pee their pants, and I would ask them to sit on my face with their pants.

00:42:31.000 It was a really bizarre.

00:42:33.000 It was a very, it's a lovely childhood in good old Edison.

00:42:33.000 Yeah, I know.

00:42:36.000 Good old Edison, New Jersey.

00:42:38.000 But I saw him get stung by yellow jackets.

00:42:41.000 What is that?

00:42:42.000 That's the worst thing?

00:42:43.000 Executioner wasp. 0.89

00:42:44.000 Oh.

00:42:45.000 But Coyote Peterson said it was worse than a bullet ant.

00:42:48.000 Oh, my God.

00:42:49.000 Watching a guy run with bees on his arms and screaming, I think that scarred me for the rest of my life with insects.

00:42:55.000 We used to break up bees' nests, and I'll never forget the sight of this kid running with just three yellow jackets on his arm.

00:43:02.000 And I just, that stuck with me for, I guess, 49 years now, 50 years.

00:43:07.000 It bothers me.

00:43:08.000 I just can't.

00:43:10.000 Insects have a very weird effect on people.

00:43:12.000 Like to be so skeeved out by something.

00:43:14.000 It's like rats, instead of small bunnies don't bother you, but rats do.

00:43:18.000 Maybe it's in the DNA or something where it's supposed to bother you.

00:43:21.000 I think so, for sure.

00:43:22.000 I think that's what a phidiophobia, an arachnophobia, comes from.

00:43:25.000 You know, I bet someone in your DNA, someone down the line, was either killed by a spider or like really badly hurt by a spider, and it's just in your DNA to be absolutely terrified when you see a spider.

00:43:38.000 What's the phidiophobia of snakes?

00:43:40.000 Oh.

00:43:41.000 Some people just, they have it so bad.

00:43:43.000 Like they see snakes and they just fucking start panic and they have a panic attack and they just can't handle it.

00:43:49.000 Whereas other people go like, I'm scared of snakes for sure, but I can look at them.

00:43:53.000 You know, they don't freak me out.

00:43:54.000 Can you hold them?

00:43:55.000 Yeah.

00:43:56.000 I can hold them, but obviously I don't want to be around them.

00:43:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 They're fucking serpents.

00:44:01.000 They're literally in the Bible.

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, the Bible does frown.

00:44:04.000 The snake in a bed wrapping the fucking Bible.

00:44:06.000 It's Satan.

00:44:07.000 Satan comes in the form of a serpent.

00:44:09.000 A serpent.

00:44:10.000 I can hold one if I know it's not going to.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:12.000 Again, I have a healthy fear.

00:44:14.000 Like, if it's like, if I know it's a bullet constrictor, let that guy in the Granite Village who walks around with the giant yellow one, which kind of creeps, because if it was to really attack someone, I mean, I guess you'd have to kill it.

00:44:26.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:44:27.000 Yeah.

00:44:28.000 It's a large bullet constrictor.

00:44:30.000 There's not much you can do once it's around your neck.

00:44:33.000 You need help.

00:44:34.000 You know, they're very strong.

00:44:35.000 I mean, they crush deer and swallow them whole.

00:44:38.000 They do.

00:44:39.000 I mean, you got to be a real special kind of fucking idiot to have one of those things as a pet because you just have a monster as a pet.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:47.000 And as long as you feed that monster, but if you leave a baby in a room with a python, you come back a half an hour later, you're going to have a fat python and no baby.

00:44:56.000 And a nice quiet night's sleep.

00:44:56.000 Absolutely.

00:44:57.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:44:59.000 That's what they're there for.

00:45:01.000 Nature has designed them to kill everything they can.

00:45:04.000 Annie Letterman has a lot of snakes. 1.00

00:45:04.000 I can't. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Like she has them as pets and her fiancé has them.

00:45:09.000 They have a bed tracks, a room full of fucking snakes.

00:45:12.000 And I don't get it.

00:45:13.000 I'm like, they're not warm.

00:45:15.000 They don't have any recognition of you.

00:45:17.000 Interesting, I guess.

00:45:18.000 I guess, but we have a puppy and I've never owned a dog before.

00:45:22.000 And it's like, it's nice to have.

00:45:23.000 I don't like taking care of anything.

00:45:25.000 I don't have that instinct in me.

00:45:27.000 I just don't like it.

00:45:28.000 But this dog kind of, I get why people like having a dog.

00:45:32.000 Oh, I love dogs.

00:45:33.000 If my wife only lets me have one, I have one dog.

00:45:37.000 But if it was up to me, at one point in time, I had five dogs.

00:45:41.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 You did?

00:45:42.000 Does he shit in the house?

00:45:43.000 No.

00:45:44.000 Mine does a lot.

00:45:44.000 I mean, he does if he eats things that are bad.

00:45:46.000 He gets diarrhea and he gets diarrhea at least a couple times a year.

00:45:49.000 Oh, he does.

00:45:50.000 Yeah, he's a dumbass.

00:45:51.000 He's a golden retriever.

00:45:52.000 He's not that smart.

00:45:53.000 Like, he ate a turtle recently, and he got horrible diarrhea, shit all over the place.

00:45:58.000 He got little pieces of shell stuck in his stomach.

00:46:00.000 He had to go to the hospital.

00:46:02.000 Oh, really?

00:46:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:04.000 And he also ate gravel at one point.

00:46:04.000 It was a nightmare.

00:46:06.000 He ate five pounds of gravel because someone accidentally dropped some chicken food on the gravel, and he just assumed that the gravel was food, so he ate all the gravel.

00:46:15.000 It is crazy how nothing registers halfway through the gravel pile.

00:46:19.000 He's just a dumbass.

00:46:20.000 He doesn't taste like chicken.

00:46:21.000 He's a dumbass, but I fucking love dogs, man.

00:46:23.000 I wish I could have...

00:46:27.000 I can't go.

00:46:29.000 I'll bring them all home.

00:46:30.000 I'll just like, I'll take them all.

00:46:31.000 If I had a giant piece of land, I would probably just have all every dog I could ever get.

00:46:37.000 We went to North Shore Animal Rescue, and actually Beth Stern helped me.

00:46:42.000 I don't know her well.

00:46:42.000 I met her through Whitney, and I had met her, but she's huge there and has great connections and helped us get a very nice little, what is it, a fucking Yorkie.

00:46:54.000 We were so stupid.

00:46:55.000 I thought it was a cavapoo.

00:46:57.000 I don't know what the fucking kind of dog is.

00:46:58.000 It's a cavapoo.

00:46:59.000 It's like one of those things where it's like a bread dog.

00:47:02.000 It's a cavalier and a poodle, I think.

00:47:04.000 It's hypoallergenic.

00:47:06.000 I can't have dogs.

00:47:07.000 Oh, look at that.

00:47:09.000 I mean, come on.

00:47:10.000 Is that not phenomenal?

00:47:12.000 Come on.

00:47:14.000 Look at the little bow.

00:47:15.000 That used to be a wolf.

00:47:16.000 That's how fucking creepy people are.

00:47:18.000 They turned a wolf into that thing. 0.88

00:47:19.000 That little adorable, no-shedding thing.

00:47:22.000 Look at that little face.

00:47:24.000 He's very cute, but that's what we thought we were getting.

00:47:26.000 I didn't know, because a Yorkie looks a lot like that when it's young.

00:47:30.000 I mean, it was like this big when we took it home.

00:47:32.000 But yeah, I love it.

00:47:33.000 My dog photographs like shit, though.

00:47:35.000 I never put up pictures of my dog.

00:47:36.000 He's a sweetheart, but it looks like a fucking wig in a hamper.

00:47:40.000 It just sucks.

00:47:41.000 I can't humiliate an ugly fucking dog I have in pictures.

00:47:44.000 But in person, he's great.

00:47:45.000 But I never post pictures.

00:47:47.000 Put a filter on him.

00:47:49.000 Nothing's going to help.

00:47:50.000 He's just kind of sitting there.

00:47:51.000 It looks like he's fucking homeless, like some homeless guy's dog.

00:47:54.000 But I do, I love having him, but the shitting in the house is very difficult.

00:48:00.000 I think that's when I first got him.

00:48:02.000 You see, he looks a little like a cavapoo.

00:48:03.000 That's adorable, dog.

00:48:05.000 Then he was.

00:48:06.000 But as he's gotten older and his hair's gotten longer.

00:48:08.000 He's got shitty looking?

00:48:10.000 In person, no.

00:48:11.000 But he photographs fucking terribly.

00:48:14.000 Let me see a picture.

00:48:15.000 Let me see a bad picture of your dog. 0.96

00:48:17.000 Let me see if I have.

00:48:20.000 On my Instagram, I think I put up a video recently and the screen grab, I tried to find the cutest screen grab and I just couldn't.

00:48:26.000 So let me see if you're.

00:48:27.000 Maybe it's just you.

00:48:28.000 Maybe if I saw him, I'd think he's adorable.

00:48:30.000 I can guarantee you're going to go, like, he might be great in person.

00:48:34.000 But I would never classify this as a cute dog.

00:48:38.000 Hold on.

00:48:40.000 It's not opening because of, but I'll find it.

00:48:42.000 Oh, there's no cell phone signal in here.

00:48:44.000 Is that on purpose?

00:48:45.000 No, it's just the walls are thick.

00:48:47.000 Do you guys have Wi-Fi or no?

00:48:48.000 Yeah, I can't find it.

00:48:49.000 Forget it.

00:48:50.000 It's okay.

00:48:50.000 All right.

00:48:51.000 I get it.

00:48:52.000 Oh, wait.

00:48:52.000 Is that it?

00:48:53.000 That's actually not that bad.

00:48:55.000 Oh, that's cute.

00:48:56.000 But there was one I put on.

00:48:58.000 That's actually a very nice picture.

00:48:59.000 He's a little blue bow.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, we've fucking, somebody in the house really mowed him up.

00:49:03.000 That wasn't my fucking.

00:49:04.000 He's a cute little dog.

00:49:06.000 Yeah, all right.

00:49:07.000 That's a nice picture.

00:49:08.000 But typically photographs very poorly.

00:49:11.000 But he won't stop shitting in the house.

00:49:13.000 Like, I can't.

00:49:15.000 Well, you live in an apartment?

00:49:16.000 You live in an apartment.

00:49:16.000 That's part of the problem.

00:49:18.000 We put him on the terrace.

00:49:19.000 And she'll go out there with him and she walks him.

00:49:21.000 I won't walk him.

00:49:22.000 It's like, it's your dog.

00:49:23.000 I don't want to fucking.

00:49:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:25.000 Like, I'm not, again, I don't have that instinct.

00:49:27.000 I'm happy you have him and you love him, but he just won't stop shitting in the house.

00:49:33.000 I don't know what to do.

00:49:34.000 I'm getting to a point where I'm like, this is why I didn't want a fucking dog.

00:49:37.000 I can't handle dog shit in my house.

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 It's kind of gross.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 It's pretty gross.

00:49:42.000 I heard that...

00:49:43.000 I'm debating, do I pay for a trainer?

00:49:45.000 Do I pay for someone to come in and just...

00:49:48.000 It might be one of them broken little fucking tiny dogs. 0.99

00:49:52.000 You just can't stop shitting in your house.

00:49:54.000 I don't know, though.

00:49:55.000 I've never had one of those kind of dogs.

00:49:57.000 In New York, it helps.

00:49:58.000 Like, you have a small little...

00:50:02.000 I don't know how people own mastives.

00:50:04.000 In New York.

00:50:05.000 You can't get in New York City.

00:50:06.000 That's crazy.

00:50:06.000 You can't.

00:50:07.000 And you can't get insurance for them.

00:50:08.000 That's what made me like, if you have a Doberman or a Rottweiler or a Pitt, you can't get insurance, homeowners insurance.

00:50:14.000 So if somebody gets bit, you're fucked.

00:50:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:16.000 And that's what scared me about those dogs.

00:50:18.000 German Shepherd.

00:50:19.000 Yeah, especially German Shepherds.

00:50:21.000 Well, also, those dogs need a lot of exercise.

00:50:23.000 They need a lot of activity or they get anxious.

00:50:26.000 They get kind of crazy because they're not supposed to be penned in like that.

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 They're working dogs.

00:50:30.000 They're supposed to be out there running around.

00:50:32.000 And if you don't run them, if you don't exercise them every day, they get like people do when they don't exercise every day.

00:50:38.000 They get kooky.

00:50:39.000 Yeah.

00:50:40.000 I became a little obsessed with, you see those Caucasian shepherds?

00:50:43.000 Like I want to pet one of those things or those.

00:50:46.000 That's a big giant fucking thing.

00:50:47.000 It comes up like 200 pounds.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, it's fucking hairy.

00:50:50.000 It's a disaster.

00:50:51.000 Yeah, it's a werewolf.

00:50:51.000 It's a werewolf.

00:50:52.000 It's a monster.

00:50:53.000 But something like that, I would love to spend a moment with or go someplace and play with it.

00:50:58.000 But I just, you know, yeah.

00:50:59.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:51:00.000 Jeez.

00:51:00.000 Slobbering over your fucking sofa.

00:51:02.000 220 pounds.

00:51:04.000 Jeez.

00:51:04.000 Shitting.

00:51:04.000 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 Well, they use those things to keep wolves away from sheep.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 And Russian prisons, I think.

00:51:11.000 I've seen footage of Russian prisons where they have them around the perimeter.

00:51:15.000 There's a fence in between freedom and the jail, and they kind of keep them in there.

00:51:19.000 I wonder what their temperament is like.

00:51:20.000 They're aggressive.

00:51:21.000 That's what I've heard.

00:51:22.000 They're very aggressive.

00:51:23.000 Strong, powerful, alert, quick, dominant, calm.

00:51:26.000 What?

00:51:27.000 Yeah.

00:51:28.000 Somebody just threw adjectives up there.

00:51:29.000 How do they throw calm in there?

00:51:30.000 Steady, strong, independent, faithful, self-assured.

00:51:34.000 Calm.

00:51:35.000 That's weird.

00:51:37.000 You ever see those dogs?

00:51:38.000 What are they called?

00:51:39.000 Dogo?

00:51:42.000 They look like giant pit bulls.

00:51:43.000 They're gorgeous dogs, but again, they're- They are aggressive, right?

00:51:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:49.000 Great guard dogs, hyper aggressive.

00:51:51.000 They will fuck you up.

00:51:53.000 I think those were the dogs that Ving Rames had when someone, he killed someone working at his house.

00:52:02.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 When he was Ving Rames or before?

00:52:04.000 Yeah.

00:52:05.000 I'm pretty sure it was Ving Rames.

00:52:08.000 I think something happened, and someone, maybe they were there, were they not supposed to be there or something happened?

00:52:15.000 And someone, I think it was someone working for him, got killed by his dog.

00:52:19.000 Was he, is it him or Charles Dutton who did time in jail for murder?

00:52:24.000 I think it was murder.

00:52:24.000 I don't get sued.

00:52:25.000 I think it was Charles Dutton or him that actually, before they were actors, went to jail.

00:52:29.000 I just don't remember if it was Ving Rames or Charles Dutton.

00:52:31.000 I don't know.

00:52:32.000 I don't know.

00:52:32.000 He was one of those guys that had like a really interesting backstory money to.

00:52:35.000 Let's go find out with Ving Rams' dog first.

00:52:38.000 Then we'll Google did Charles Dutton murder somebody?

00:52:41.000 I think it might have been Dutton.

00:52:43.000 I think you're right.

00:52:45.000 This is the funny thing to Google.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, Gardner said that he did not die from, in the Ving Rams case, he did not die from dog bites.

00:52:52.000 They were waiting for a toxicology.

00:52:54.000 Oh, maybe he had a stroke and then the dog bit him.

00:52:57.000 Like sometimes that happens.

00:52:58.000 Like if someone has like a seizure, dogs will bite them.

00:53:01.000 Like dogs don't know what the fuck is going on.

00:53:03.000 They freak out and they bite them.

00:53:05.000 When animals attack humans or other animals, victims usually end up with bites around the head and neck.

00:53:09.000 He had none.

00:53:11.000 This leads us to believe he went down for some other medical reason.

00:53:14.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:53:15.000 So the bites were around his arms and his legs.

00:53:19.000 So yeah, the dog might have bull mastiffs.

00:53:22.000 English bulldog and three bull mastiffs.

00:53:24.000 200 pounds.

00:53:25.000 Jeez, 200 pounds.

00:53:26.000 You wonder if they were trying to wake him up or trying to pull him somewhere or if they were attacking.

00:53:30.000 Because you're right, if they don't bite the face, what's the purpose of what were they doing?

00:53:33.000 I bet it wasn't.

00:53:34.000 I bet that's what it was.

00:53:35.000 Sometimes that does happen when dogs will freak out if someone has a seizure.

00:53:39.000 They don't know what the hell's going on.

00:53:40.000 They like bite the person. 0.76

00:53:42.000 Yeah, like, what's he doing?

00:53:43.000 They're freaking out.

00:53:44.000 You know, probably not even bite him to try to hurt him, just to try to stop whatever's happening because it's freaking him out.

00:53:49.000 Well, there was speculation after Siegfried and Roy, when Roy got dragged off.

00:53:54.000 I don't know what's true or not.

00:53:55.000 Did the thing bite his head or was it actually trying to save him?

00:54:00.000 Yeah.

00:54:01.000 I don't know what.

00:54:02.000 Yeah, there was like a lady that had a crazy hat or something like that, and the tiger was kind of weirded out by this lady's hat.

00:54:08.000 Is that what it was?

00:54:09.000 That's what I remember, but I just remember thinking, duh, like the tiger just did what tigers do.

00:54:15.000 Yeah.

00:54:16.000 Like this anymore.

00:54:18.000 And they both bite you.

00:54:20.000 I don't know.

00:54:21.000 I know Roy Horn died, I think.

00:54:23.000 I just saw they're making a Netflix series about or Apple TV series about them.

00:54:23.000 Yeah.

00:54:27.000 Eight episode series.

00:54:29.000 Andrew Garfield and someone else are playing.

00:54:31.000 Did you ever see the HBO thing on Liberace?

00:54:36.000 Is that with Tom Papa?

00:54:40.000 Well, it was Matt Damon and what the fuck is his name?

00:54:44.000 Who played Scott Thorson?

00:54:45.000 The guy Greed is good.

00:54:47.000 Michael Douglas?

00:54:47.000 You know, that guy.

00:54:48.000 Michael Douglas.

00:54:49.000 Michael Douglas played Liberace, I believe, right?

00:54:52.000 Didn't he?

00:54:52.000 Did he?

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 I didn't remember that.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, it was Michael Douglas and Matt Damon.

00:54:57.000 Oh, he played Scott Thorson and Matt Damon.

00:54:58.000 Yes.

00:54:59.000 He played the guy who got plastic surgery to look like Liberace.

00:55:02.000 He's a classic one.

00:55:03.000 What?

00:55:03.000 Psycho.

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:04.000 I interviewed him.

00:55:05.000 His boyfriend get plastic surgery to look like him.

00:55:08.000 I want to fuck me.

00:55:10.000 That's the last person I would want to look like.

00:55:12.000 I go to a surgeon and say anything but this.

00:55:15.000 Isn't that such a psychotic thing to want to fuck you? 1.00

00:55:19.000 Oh my God, that's so crazy.

00:55:20.000 I want you to look like me.

00:55:22.000 Get your chin down to look like me.

00:55:24.000 Is that a power thing?

00:55:31.000 Yeah, all the above.

00:55:32.000 Power for sure.

00:55:33.000 Power over that guy, right?

00:55:35.000 He probably had the ultimate power in that relationship.

00:55:38.000 Because he's Liberace.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 He's this enormous superstar and this guy's his bitch. 1.00

00:55:42.000 You know, like, I want you to get a different chin.

00:55:45.000 You're going to look like me.

00:55:46.000 He got a crazy chin.

00:55:47.000 Yeah, he did.

00:55:49.000 He looks very silly.

00:55:50.000 It was a fun fucking film, though.

00:55:52.000 Tapa.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:53.000 Look at that.

00:55:54.000 Ravolo.

00:55:55.000 Wow.

00:55:59.000 Joey Diaz used to have a great bit about it.

00:55:59.000 It's a really fun.

00:56:02.000 About the HBO thing.

00:56:04.000 Yeah, I mean, Liberace was a fucking weird case, right?

00:56:07.000 Because he had to pretend that he was straight forever. 0.79

00:56:11.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 And it's so obvious.

00:56:13.000 Like, today, he wouldn't have to.

00:56:16.000 He could just be Liberace.

00:56:16.000 No.

00:56:17.000 But back then, he had...

00:56:20.000 There he is.

00:56:21.000 Super straight.

00:56:21.000 Look at that.

00:56:22.000 Look at the rings.

00:56:23.000 Do you ever see the song when Liberace winks at me?

00:56:27.000 So this is a song that played on television in like the 1950s when the world was innocent.

00:56:27.000 No.

00:56:35.000 And there's a woman who was like swooning when Liberace would wink at her.

00:56:40.000 And so they played this.

00:56:41.000 It's Liberace playing the piano and like looking at the girl and winking.

00:56:45.000 And then it made like a twinkle in his eye.

00:56:48.000 Let's play it because it's so bad.

00:56:50.000 Here it is.

00:56:51.000 There it is.

00:56:52.000 Put the headphones on.

00:56:53.000 You got to see this.

00:56:58.000 53?

00:56:58.000 What is it?

00:56:59.000 Is that what it said?

00:57:02.000 55. So she's watching him on TV and she sings.

00:57:10.000 Watch this.

00:57:14.000 I'm not the fan club.

00:57:16.000 I'm loving this one.

00:57:18.000 I'd like to join a fan club if it's simply mine.

00:57:23.000 I've found a grand silence.

00:57:27.000 I really can't describe a strange effect here on me Wow I start to shake, I start to shiver And every fiber in my being seems to quiver It's a feeling very close to ecstasy.

00:57:54.000 That's what happens whenever Archie winks at me.

00:57:59.000 Wow.

00:58:03.000 First of all, he looks like Jim Florentine never freaks me out.

00:58:07.000 When he winks, you hear the piano key.

00:58:10.000 A little tinkle.

00:58:11.000 Clink.

00:58:12.000 Clink.

00:58:12.000 That's so weird.

00:58:14.000 What a weird time it was back then.

00:58:16.000 Dude, there's a video of him, too, on Instagram where it was in the 60s when he was trying to get with the, he was trying to be with the movement man.

00:58:24.000 Be cool, man.

00:58:25.000 And it was like something about something groovy, and it's just him on a piano with all of these like, you know, 20-year-olds just trying so hard to get the kids.

00:58:35.000 Oh, really?

00:58:36.000 Oh, it's in the 60s?

00:58:38.000 I think it's in the, it looks like it's like 1967, 19. Yeah.

00:58:41.000 Is that it?

00:58:42.000 Oh boy, I'm playing.

00:58:44.000 Oh boy, I'm playing.

00:58:49.000 Groovy.

00:58:51.000 Look at these guys with their pants.

00:58:52.000 Feeling groovy.

00:58:53.000 Feeling groovy.

00:58:57.000 Hello, lamppost.

00:58:58.000 What you know when?

00:59:00.000 You come to watch your flowers growin'.

00:59:04.000 God, look at their pants. 1.00

00:59:06.000 The piano's got flowers on it.

00:59:10.000 God, people really lost their fucking minds in the 60s, didn't they?

00:59:14.000 This is very drug-inspired.

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:16.000 Imagine putting those pants on.

00:59:21.000 He does come out.

00:59:21.000 Where's the shit?

00:59:22.000 I'm not sure where.

00:59:24.000 Oh, there he is.

00:59:24.000 There he is.

00:59:25.000 At least he's dressed for the occasion.

00:59:28.000 Look at him.

00:59:30.000 He's getting the thumbs up.

00:59:33.000 Look at his fucking vest!

00:59:45.000 Look at him.

00:59:47.000 God, that's so weird.

00:59:49.000 What did you shake him?

00:59:51.000 I gotta try that.

00:59:52.000 Sing your makeup.

00:59:54.000 Liberace turning on.

00:59:58.000 Doodle dee doo-doo, feeling groovy.

01:00:01.000 Liberace turning on.

01:00:03.000 Isn't that great?

01:00:04.000 God, that's so weird.

01:00:07.000 And look, the piano's moving.

01:00:08.000 And he had to hold two girls.

01:00:10.000 Like, yeah, I'm just here to get some puss. 0.99

01:00:12.000 He's turning on.

01:00:14.000 This is like the acid days.

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 But it's so crazy that, like, this was actually probably not meant to be shitty and ironic, but it was meant to be like, yeah, he's this cool guy getting with the scene.

01:00:25.000 He's getting with the scene, man.

01:00:27.000 And he's out there with his piano and all these weird people with flowers on their pants.

01:00:31.000 And the dancing, the dance routine is just not the straightest.

01:00:34.000 Look at him go.

01:00:35.000 But the vest.

01:00:36.000 The vest is hilarious.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, it's like plastic.

01:00:39.000 Yeah, it's like this fucking raincoat that they turn into a vest.

01:00:43.000 A long, like, orange, like almost like Shakespeare sleeve type of shirt.

01:00:47.000 So strange.

01:00:50.000 God.

01:00:51.000 People were so weird.

01:00:52.000 But you got to think, like, in the 1960s, television had only been around for like 20 years.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 That's what's weird.

01:00:59.000 This was really weird if you really stop and think about it.

01:01:02.000 It was so new.

01:01:04.000 It's kind of like the internet, right?

01:01:06.000 Like the internet was, the internet is older today than television was then.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:01:14.000 It's 30 years old though.

01:01:16.000 Yeah.

01:01:17.000 The internet basically came around.

01:01:19.000 I got on the internet for the first time in 94. I got on America Online.

01:01:24.000 You've got mail.

01:01:25.000 And I remember this is crazy.

01:01:25.000 Yes.

01:01:26.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:01:27.000 It hooked up to my phone.

01:01:28.000 It was a 14.4 connection.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, 14K.

01:01:34.000 Then I got 56K.

01:01:34.000 Slow as shit.

01:01:36.000 I thought it was a boss.

01:01:37.000 56K.

01:01:37.000 Like, look at me.

01:01:39.000 You know?

01:01:40.000 And I remember thinking, this is crazy.

01:01:42.000 Like, this never existed before.

01:01:44.000 So that was 30 years ago, 31 years ago.

01:01:47.000 This was just 20 years after TV, really.

01:01:51.000 Like, when did TV really start happening?

01:01:53.000 I want to say in the 50s.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, I don't think it was in the 1940s.

01:01:56.000 I mean, it was in the 50s.

01:01:57.000 What was the first television?

01:01:59.000 Hitler broadcast it. 0.88

01:02:01.000 But that must have been in the 40s.

01:02:02.000 There was, because in the movie Contact, where they show you that Hitler broadcast, which they said was like one of the first it on the radio or on the television?

01:02:11.000 No, it was the TV.

01:02:12.000 I know they used to do a lot of World War II stuff in the movie theaters.

01:02:16.000 You'd go to the movie theater and you'd get the news.

01:02:18.000 The Allied front.

01:02:19.000 And they'd show you the news.

01:02:21.000 They'd show you like propaganda footage of the news.

01:02:23.000 Our troops are out there fighting for your freedom.

01:02:27.000 Yes, and the Japanese, they show you the brave American troops smiling at you.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, and then they'd have those propaganda movies.

01:02:36.000 1953, 50% of American households had a TV set.

01:02:40.000 By the end of 1960, almost nine out of 10 did.

01:02:43.000 Wow.

01:02:44.000 So what was the first television?

01:02:45.000 When did it first start?

01:02:46.000 Oh, they started in the 20s.

01:02:48.000 And then they were expensive as shit and probably very big, and there wasn't anything to watch, so why would you have one?

01:02:54.000 When was the first broadcast?

01:02:55.000 The first television broadcast.

01:02:57.000 Oh.

01:02:59.000 Yeah, up until the 50s, it was really just like public information, it says.

01:03:03.000 Oh, so just like the news?

01:03:04.000 I mean, there wasn't a lot of shows being made.

01:03:07.000 Like, what was the first television show?

01:03:10.000 Before Cavalcade, Gleason did Cavalcade.

01:03:13.000 I think it was called Cavalcade.

01:03:14.000 It was like when the Honeymooners debuted, and he would do Reginald Van Gleesen, but that's definitely not the first one.

01:03:19.000 I Love Lucy was probably same timer before that.

01:03:22.000 And what year was that?

01:03:22.000 Right.

01:03:23.000 Had to be the 55?

01:03:24.000 53, maybe?

01:03:24.000 55?

01:03:25.000 Or it might have been later.

01:03:26.000 I don't remember.

01:03:27.000 So probably the television really became, like, when did it become a thing where people would watch the news?

01:03:35.000 Probably like late 40s, maybe?

01:03:37.000 Because 63, again, the Cronkite broadcast.

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:39.000 I mean, so by then it was like in full effect.

01:03:42.000 So you got to think that 63 with, you know, Liberace or the 55 one with Liberace, that's so new.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:50.000 That's crazy new.

01:03:51.000 And then 12 years later, you know, when he's fucking dancing with the flower pants on.

01:03:56.000 Here's the Wikipedia version.

01:03:58.000 First national color broadcast.

01:04:01.000 The 1954 Tournament of the Rose Parade.

01:04:03.000 The U.S. Kurd January 1st, 1954.

01:04:06.000 So the 1936 Summer Olympics.

01:04:09.000 Oh, they had the Summer Olympics they broadcast.

01:04:12.000 World Series, it says, was the first catalyst, like big buying.

01:04:16.000 Wow, you must have been a boss if you had a fucking television in 1936.

01:04:20.000 And then first variety show was Milton Burrell's show.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:23.000 So he became known as Mr. Television.

01:04:25.000 What year was that?

01:04:26.000 48?

01:04:27.000 47, 48. Wow.

01:04:28.000 He took his radio show and made it a TV show.

01:04:31.000 So by the time that Liberace dancing with the pants on, it's only 20 years old.

01:04:36.000 Which is really wild.

01:04:36.000 Yeah.

01:04:38.000 Was that 68?

01:04:39.000 I'm going to assume.

01:04:39.000 It was definitely late 60s.

01:04:42.000 It read Skelton television hours.

01:04:45.000 And the fact that people just didn't know he's a flaming homosexual. 0.98

01:04:48.000 How did you not know?

01:04:49.000 How did you not?

01:04:50.000 I guess there wasn't enough gay people publicly, so everyone didn't recognize.

01:04:55.000 Like people knew when you spoke a certain way that you could be, but it wasn't, I guess that wasn't like the voice that everybody recognized.

01:05:02.000 Well, everybody hid it too.

01:05:04.000 You know, you had to hide it.

01:05:05.000 You imagine being a gay guy trying to find other gay guys back then?

01:05:08.000 Like, what did you do?

01:05:09.000 What a risk.

01:05:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:11.000 To being gay in North Korea.

01:05:12.000 Like, how do those guys fucking?

01:05:14.000 What signal do you give when you know the other guy's not working for the state?

01:05:17.000 You're in a rest area.

01:05:17.000 Right.

01:05:18.000 Even if he is, he might throw you under the bus anyway.

01:05:20.000 Like, they have a whole culture on throwing people under the bus.

01:05:23.000 On tattling.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, their whole culture is based on tattling.

01:05:26.000 And if you don't tattle on people, they assume you did something wrong.

01:05:29.000 I'd still like to kind of go there.

01:05:30.000 I wouldn't do it.

01:05:31.000 I would, yeah, just because they say there's all those fake storefronts and all of those, or stores that are just for the tourists that come through, that they have all those fake Oh, yeah.

01:05:31.000 Really?

01:05:43.000 I mean, they get enough, like through China.

01:05:46.000 There's companies that go through China, and every country doesn't have the negative relationship that we do with them.

01:05:51.000 So I would kind of like to go, but I wouldn't trust it after that Otto Warminger. 0.83

01:05:56.000 Warren Warminger?

01:05:56.000 What was his name?

01:05:58.000 Yeah, the kid that got away from the bottom of the Otto, yeah.

01:06:00.000 For taking a propaganda poster.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 It would be very scary to go, but I really kind of want to.

01:06:06.000 They have that giant building, it's like a thousand-foot-tall hotel or building that is just kind of half-empty, like it never was finished.

01:06:14.000 They light it up at night, so it looks like they have a big downtown.

01:06:17.000 But North Korea has like a thousand tall, thousand-foot-tall building.

01:06:21.000 A YouTube video of a guy that went.

01:06:23.000 His name's Mike O'Kay.

01:06:25.000 He went three, four months ago after they had not been opened since COVID.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:30.000 Really?

01:06:31.000 And he went just a tour around North Korea.

01:06:33.000 He's a British person, so he's not from America.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, and you're not supposed to film a lot of this stuff.

01:06:37.000 These guys take really, really clandestine footage.

01:06:41.000 You're allowed to film in certain areas, but I think your phone you had to leave at the border when you come in.

01:06:45.000 Wow.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, he explains what he was doing.

01:06:46.000 I think he says he wasn't supposed to, but he just does.

01:06:49.000 Is he eating food there?

01:06:50.000 Yeah, he goes to a few little towns, talks to them.

01:06:52.000 I remember watching some of this.

01:06:54.000 It's like a random Coke or something somewhere.

01:06:56.000 Or a Red Bull, I think.

01:06:57.000 That's so fucking risky.

01:06:59.000 It is risky.

01:07:00.000 Because just the wrong thing you do, you insult them, and the next thing you know, you're in jail for the rest of your life or you're beaten to death.

01:07:06.000 Yeah, they said that if there's a picture of Kim Jong-un or Kim Jong-il, you have to be respectful when you stand in front of the pictures to take your photo.

01:07:13.000 They're really...

01:07:17.000 Well, Shane Smith went, Shane from Vice back in the day, like before things got too crazy over there.

01:07:24.000 And he said that they set up a fake restaurant for him.

01:07:27.000 Like they pretended that they had restaurants and so they had a fake restaurant.

01:07:30.000 And he went there.

01:07:31.000 There's like only him there and people were serving him.

01:07:33.000 Bizarre.

01:07:34.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 It was really weird.

01:07:36.000 I guess when you're seen as a god and everybody just co-signs it, you don't know how bad of a liar you are.

01:07:42.000 Like you don't know how badly you're presenting because everybody is just like, oh my God.

01:07:46.000 So they have no idea.

01:07:47.000 Kim Jong-un has no idea that people look at him and go like, that's not real.

01:07:51.000 Because then the people that are there, they have no internet.

01:07:51.000 Right.

01:07:54.000 Like their world is the North Korean internet. 0.98

01:07:57.000 They're not connected to the rest of the world.

01:08:00.000 No, they would, I guess people will like sneak in thumb drives and stuff like that.

01:08:06.000 I know, South Korean TV.

01:08:08.000 If they catch you, you're fucking...

01:08:12.000 He's from Afghanistan and he ran, I think it was called the Moby Group in Afghanistan. 0.79

01:08:17.000 But they would go next to the Iranian border and pipe in American TV shows and they would illegally send them over the border to try to get people a little bit westernized or to at least see things a little bit differently. 0.71

01:08:31.000 But it's an illegal feed.

01:08:32.000 You're just shooting it over somehow and, you know.

01:08:34.000 Hoping they don't kill you.

01:08:35.000 Hoping they don't kill you.

01:08:36.000 Yeah.

01:08:37.000 Speaking of kill you.

01:08:38.000 What's that?

01:08:39.000 Said, speaking of kill you in Iran. 0.98

01:08:42.000 Oh, what's going on there?

01:08:44.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:08:45.000 But no one's surprised.

01:08:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:48.000 I bet the guys who got killed were surprised.

01:08:50.000 They were supposed to meet with Trump to have a peace negotiation.

01:08:54.000 Wasn't the time up?

01:08:57.000 I thought the time lapsed.

01:08:58.000 Did the Israelis jump the gun on the time? 0.59

01:08:58.000 No. 0.59

01:09:00.000 Well, the speculation, according to Grok, I sent Jamie this.

01:09:05.000 Somebody said, were they killed, like ask Grok, were they killed because they were negotiating for peace?

01:09:15.000 You know, that the Israelis didn't want a negotiation.

01:09:19.000 Oh, because they wanted to get those nuclear sites out of there.

01:09:23.000 They didn't trust the Iranians, and they wanted to make sure that these guys were gone. 1.00

01:09:28.000 They essentially killed everybody that he was negotiating with.

01:09:31.000 So this guy's response above it, it says, what evidence might there be to support this position?

01:09:36.000 And the position was, go above that.

01:09:39.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 Israel did not attack Iran because Iran was about to attack Israel.

01:09:43.000 Israel attacked Iran because there was about to be peace. 0.91

01:09:46.000 And then this guy asked Grok, what evidence might there be to support this position?

01:09:50.000 And then Grok says, evidence suggesting Israel's June 13, 2025 attack in Iran aimed to disrupt U.S.-Iran peace talks includes its timing, coinciding with the sixth round of nuclear negotiations scheduled around June 12th through 14, 2025.

01:10:06.000 International reactions like the UN and the Oman condemning the strikes as undermining diplomacy support this view.

01:10:14.000 However, Israel justified the attack as a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear program, citing its non-compliance with the IAEA.

01:10:22.000 No direct evidence proves intent to stop peace, and the focus on nuclear sites suggests security concerns drove the action.

01:10:30.000 The issue remains debated with perspectives varying by geopolitical stance.

01:10:35.000 Now ask Grok.

01:10:37.000 Grok is kind of Twitter's AI.

01:10:39.000 How influenced is it by like a ChatGPT I've gone to and I was kind of curious because my wife's obsessed with it.

01:10:39.000 Right.

01:10:46.000 So I was like, I think this is probably still ideologically influenced.

01:10:49.000 For sure.

01:10:50.000 So other people have done this.

01:10:51.000 I put in write five jokes about Jesus and it did five Jesus jokes.

01:10:56.000 And then I put in write five jokes about Muhammad and it came back with, well, we like to keep things respectful, blah, blah, blah.

01:11:03.000 And I did the same thing with write five jokes about white people and then write five jokes about black people. 0.84

01:11:07.000 And it did the same thing.

01:11:08.000 It wrote the white person jokes, but the black people jokes it wouldn't write. 0.87

01:11:11.000 So I was like, oh, okay, this is still somehow tied in.

01:11:16.000 There's guardrails and it's ideologically slanted.

01:11:20.000 It may not always be that way.

01:11:21.000 So I'm wondering if Grok is the same way.

01:11:23.000 Like, is any answer it gives you almost like coming from either somebody at PBS or somebody from someplace else?

01:11:30.000 Grok is probably the best of them for that, but the worst was Gemini. 1.00

01:11:34.000 Remember when they asked Gemini to make photographs of Nazi soldiers, and they had a diverse group of Nazi soldiers, including Asian women, Native American women, just black people.

01:11:45.000 Keep it fair, folks.

01:11:46.000 Keep it fair.

01:11:47.000 They just got locked up in this woke ideology thing to the point where the images they created of Nazis were woke.

01:11:54.000 I don't know what happened where people become so afraid of like, I know truth can be unpleasant sometimes, but like where it goes to that level.

01:12:02.000 Like we will write jokes about Jesus, but not about Muhammad. 0.84

01:12:06.000 Who's programming that and thinks that's a good thing?

01:12:08.000 Well, they're scared.

01:12:10.000 They are.

01:12:10.000 That's what it is.

01:12:11.000 I'd almost respect them if they said they were scared.

01:12:14.000 Like if they said, look, we all understand what goes on.

01:12:17.000 We don't want somebody running in with a bomb belt.

01:12:19.000 There's violent retribution.

01:12:21.000 I would respect that, but they won't say that.

01:12:23.000 They act like you're crazy for questioning you.

01:12:23.000 No.

01:12:26.000 Ah, that's not true.

01:12:26.000 Yeah.

01:12:28.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:12:29.000 We're in a weird stage.

01:12:31.000 We're at a weird stage.

01:12:32.000 We have all the information, but it's still got guardrails on it.

01:12:35.000 Do you feel?

01:12:36.000 I feel better about myself, though, the older I get, the more like, yeah, I years ago said it and knew it was getting worse and worse.

01:12:45.000 And I was never stupid enough to think it didn't exist.

01:12:47.000 So I kind of like, yeah, well, if nothing else, it validates what I kind of thought.

01:12:51.000 Like, I feel like I wasn't a fucking idiot.

01:12:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:54.000 I'm not taken off guard by it.

01:12:55.000 You knew it was coming.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, not necessarily to this level.

01:12:59.000 But, you know, when you saw this happening and then that happening, and then little weird things like Donald Sterling, that one always bothered me.

01:13:07.000 his private communications being used against him.

01:13:12.000 He was the owner of the Golden State Warriors.

01:13:14.000 I don't remember.

01:13:15.000 Oh, this was the guy.

01:13:16.000 Vistaviano.

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 The girlfriend.

01:13:18.000 The Clippers.

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 Oh, I'm sorry, the Clippers.

01:13:20.000 He was the guy who had the girlfriend who was his little side piece.

01:13:23.000 Vistaviano, yeah.

01:13:24.000 And the girlfriend recorded him saying a bunch of things about black people.

01:13:29.000 And it was almost like he was like, all right, blah.

01:13:32.000 It wasn't like, I don't think he was a hateful old guy, but he was just like an old guy. 1.00

01:13:35.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:13:35.000 Don't hang out with black.

01:13:37.000 Well, he was saying, don't do it publicly, right?

01:13:39.000 Yeah.

01:13:40.000 Because it embarrasses me.

01:13:42.000 His friends are probably calling him.

01:13:42.000 Something like that.

01:13:44.000 But he was, you know, he's talking to his side piece and she's recording him.

01:13:44.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 The whole thing was gross.

01:13:49.000 The invasion of, even if he's a piece of shit, I don't care about him. 0.52

01:13:52.000 Exactly.

01:13:53.000 It's the idea that people are comfortable.

01:13:55.000 Like, nobody sticks up for privacy.

01:13:57.000 Like, everyone complains about we don't went to Govut.

01:14:00.000 And it's like, hey, motherfuckers, where were you when this guy or stupid Hunter Biden's big dick is all over the internet?

01:14:05.000 Where were you complaining about it?

01:14:07.000 You just judged them on it.

01:14:08.000 So I wish people would stop doing that.

01:14:11.000 Yeah, the Hunter Biden stuff, the fun stuff was like him smoking crack and hookers and getting foot jobs.

01:14:17.000 It was just fun.

01:14:18.000 Did he eat foot jobs?

01:14:19.000 Yeah, he did a lot of stuff.

01:14:20.000 There's a lot of wild stuff going on there.

01:14:22.000 He's a wild boy, but I guess, you know, you're smoking crack.

01:14:25.000 Sure.

01:14:26.000 You got a tub, unshaven.

01:14:27.000 You got no guardrails.

01:14:28.000 You're off the fucking reservation.

01:14:30.000 He's a naughty boy.

01:14:31.000 But then the other stuff that was in there was really interesting.

01:14:34.000 The emails about 10% to the big guy and all that stuff.

01:14:37.000 And there's just brutal, rampant, obvious corruption that they just look the other way because it's a Democrat.

01:14:44.000 And it's just really strange.

01:14:47.000 If Trump Jr. did anything that Hunter did, they would kill him.

01:14:52.000 It would be the front page.

01:14:54.000 It's all they would talk about.

01:14:55.000 They certainly wouldn't have hit it from Twitter.

01:14:57.000 They wouldn't have.

01:14:58.000 Which was really crazy.

01:14:59.000 It was a New York Post story, and then the FBI got involved.

01:15:03.000 And the Twitter files, like, you know, when Schellenberger and Taibbi and all those guys went over the Twitter files.

01:15:11.000 It's so damning.

01:15:13.000 It's so crazy that that's not so illegal that there's like just massive trials on television and people are prosecuted for it.

01:15:22.000 I guess with private companies or even though the media operates like.

01:15:26.000 But it's the government.

01:15:27.000 The government is what I'm concerned with because it's absolutely election interference.

01:15:31.000 100%.

01:15:32.000 100%.

01:15:33.000 Because there was a lot of people that were on the fence.

01:15:36.000 They didn't know whether they're going to vote for Trump or whether they're going to vote for Biden.

01:15:40.000 They didn't know what they're going to do.

01:15:42.000 And then they saw that and they were like, fuck this.

01:15:45.000 And guys like Jack from Twitter have come out and said, like, yeah, we shouldn't have censored that story.

01:15:52.000 But it's like too late now.

01:15:53.000 It's like you did it.

01:15:54.000 People were telling you when you did it.

01:15:56.000 You shouldn't do it.

01:15:57.000 Zuckerberg talked about it on this podcast.

01:15:59.000 He talked about the FBI getting involved on the podcast, censoring COVID information, censoring the laptop information, and this weird feeling that he got from the government all of a sudden telling them what they and some of the stuff that they were telling them they had to take down was actually true, factual information.

01:16:17.000 And they were like, oh, boy.

01:16:18.000 And so they diminished its reach and they did a lot of weird shit.

01:16:22.000 And the penalty for not taking it down would have been like, what are they threatening them with?

01:16:26.000 Like, Section 230 is a big one that all the big companies are scared of, like, if they change that, because they said that the internet, freedom comes from Section 230, where a company can't be held legally liable for what's posted on their site, which is how you can post anything about people and the sites themselves can't get sued because they're like, yeah, we're just like a phone company.

01:16:46.000 It's a public square.

01:16:47.000 The public square.

01:16:48.000 Although it's not anymore.

01:16:50.000 It's much more ideologically based and it's much more of a publisher, in my opinion, than a public square.

01:16:55.000 But maybe they threaten you with that.

01:16:56.000 Or maybe that's where they start to go.

01:16:58.000 Like, we'll see to it that 230.

01:17:00.000 I'm guessing.

01:17:01.000 But what else could they threaten them with?

01:17:02.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

01:17:04.000 I mean, just the fear of being on the wrong side of the government.

01:17:08.000 I mean, that's the thing, because then they could go after you.

01:17:11.000 Like, you know, for someone like Zuckerberg, who had already sat in front of those congressional hearings and, you know, they had already asked him about a bunch of different things that the company had done.

01:17:22.000 And you remember those weird hearings that he had to sit through where he sip water very strange and people said he's a fucking robot?

01:17:32.000 He's probably so nervous.

01:17:34.000 Of course.

01:17:35.000 No, Senator.

01:17:35.000 Yes, Senator.

01:17:36.000 Thank you for asking, Senator.

01:17:38.000 Like all those weird moments.

01:17:40.000 Like you got to be terrified of those people because they could change laws or they could just decide to prosecute you for things.

01:17:45.000 I mean, look what's happening to the guy Durov from Telegram.

01:17:49.000 I don't know that story.

01:17:50.000 No.

01:17:50.000 You don't know that story?

01:17:51.000 He is essentially he's under house arrest in France.

01:17:57.000 He has not been tried with anything.

01:17:59.000 He has not been charged with anything.

01:18:01.000 But what they're saying is essentially they want a backdoor to Telegram.

01:18:06.000 Telegram is an encrypted app.

01:18:08.000 and a lot of people use it for illegal things, just like a lot of people use Twitter for illegal things, a lot of people use DMs for illegal things.

01:18:08.000 Right.

01:18:16.000 I'm sure they use Signal for illegal things and WhatsApp for illegal things.

01:18:20.000 And they wanted a Telegram was especially popular amongst criminals, and they wanted to be able to get in there.

01:18:27.000 But then the question is, like, well, what do you determine as a criminal?

01:18:30.000 Is it a political dissident?

01:18:31.000 Like, is it, you know, what does it mean?

01:18:34.000 Are you looking for underage people being photographed?

01:18:38.000 Right.

01:18:38.000 Or are you looking at just people who like they can always expand what they consider to be illegal?

01:18:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:44.000 I mean, they took Backpage down, so they can get certain companies.

01:18:48.000 Like, if you don't do what they want you to do, there is a way for them to get you by saying you're too complicit in certain activities.

01:18:55.000 That's a Silk Road.

01:18:56.000 That's what happened with that.

01:18:57.000 Ross Albrecht, yeah.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, and now he's luckily Trump freed him.

01:19:01.000 Did he pardon him?

01:19:02.000 Oh, he tried to talk about him.

01:19:03.000 He pardoned him.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, we tried to get him on, but he's just not ready to talk, which is totally understandable.

01:19:04.000 Yeah.

01:19:08.000 If you ever do, if you ever want to talk, I'd be happy to hear your story.

01:19:11.000 Well, because you're probably afraid that they're going to come with something else.

01:19:14.000 Like, it's almost like...

01:19:17.000 Now I'm out.

01:19:17.000 Fuck those people.

01:19:18.000 What they did to me was wrong.

01:19:20.000 Oh, new charges.

01:19:21.000 That's right.

01:19:21.000 That's why whenever somebody's exonerated after 30 years of being in jail, they're like, I'm not even angry.

01:19:25.000 I just want, because you're afraid you're going to say the wrong thing.

01:19:27.000 And then you go, all right, we're going to come back.

01:19:29.000 Well, that was the really scary thing about the Trump stuff.

01:19:32.000 Like, when they were trying to get him for 34 felony counts, none of those were a felony.

01:19:38.000 All of them were past the statute of limitations.

01:19:40.000 It was just bookkeeping errors or bookkeeping, you know, they wrote down the wrong things and they tried to hide the fact that he was making hush money payments.

01:19:50.000 But the reality of that legal system being used against you, lawfare being, you know, they target you.

01:19:58.000 Like the real estate one, when they tried to say that he overvalued Mar-a-Lago and it was really only worth $18 million.

01:20:06.000 And so they charged him like hundreds of millions of dollars, which is fucking insane.

01:20:11.000 Because Mar-a-Lago is an enormous piece of property that is on the most expensive place in the country.

01:20:19.000 Like that area, he's got, I think he's got, is it more than 20 acres there?

01:20:24.000 I mean, it's a huge piece of property there.

01:20:26.000 And the next door neighbor had a place that was like five acres and it sold for $50 million, just the property.

01:20:33.000 So they fucked him.

01:20:33.000 Yeah.

01:20:34.000 They fucked him.

01:20:35.000 And it's obvious that they were fucking him.

01:20:38.000 They were doing it because they were trying to make him a felon when he was running for president.

01:20:42.000 Yeah, Letitia James went after him really badly in New York.

01:20:45.000 And it turns out she had done some little bank stuff going on.

01:20:49.000 She did some little mortgage questions.

01:20:51.000 Yeah, well, she did some inappropriate things. 1.00

01:20:54.000 But whether people like him or not, I don't always agree with him at all.

01:20:58.000 But he's an amazing person.

01:21:00.000 To have withstood the pressure of that, again, just to continue with the pressure that they were putting on him and the way they were coming after him and to still run again.

01:21:11.000 I mean, it's the fucking craziest thing you're ever going to see in your life.

01:21:14.000 And they shot him.

01:21:15.000 And they shot him, and the guy was going to do it again or try to.

01:21:19.000 And another guy.

01:21:19.000 And a fucking, oh yeah, the guy with the hole in the fence where his golf course was.

01:21:25.000 Kooky.

01:21:26.000 It's kooky.

01:21:27.000 But it's like, and somebody pointed out to me, it's like, I mean, I'm surprised he doesn't expect this.

01:21:31.000 It's like he went after them.

01:21:32.000 Like he went after the CIA and the FBI and said, they're going to make it their life's work to come after you now.

01:21:38.000 It's also crazy when it gets real transparent like that, though.

01:21:43.000 But when someone like Zuckerberg or any of these other people that run afoul of the federal government or the intelligence agencies, when they see stuff like that, I understand why they comply.

01:21:52.000 They're probably fucking terrified.

01:21:54.000 It is a little very scary when you're on there.

01:21:57.000 Like you never want them to dig in and be focused on the pie of Sauron.

01:22:02.000 Yeah.

01:22:03.000 We're coming for you.

01:22:04.000 Because again, they don't pay legal fees.

01:22:06.000 They can do it all day.

01:22:07.000 They can do it through the next administration.

01:22:10.000 Because Letitia J, she went after what I didn't like about her was a lot. 0.94

01:22:15.000 But I didn't like the fact that they went after Cuomo for his book money.

01:22:19.000 Like, they went after Andrew Cuomo for his book money, I think.

01:22:22.000 They wanted him to get back five million.

01:22:23.000 Yeah.

01:22:24.000 For what reason?

01:22:25.000 I don't know what her reasoning was.

01:22:26.000 I mean, obviously, she just wanted to stick it to him and fuck him. 1.00

01:22:30.000 But I think it was that he, it was seen as some form of a government payment.

01:22:35.000 I don't remember the technicality, but I remember being very annoyed that she was trying to go after, I think it was a $5 million advance.

01:22:41.000 Lawfare is fucking terrifying.

01:22:42.000 It's terrifying when they do that to people when everybody could see it.

01:22:46.000 That's the real problem with the Trump one.

01:22:48.000 And my problem wasn't, my real problem was, like, don't these people understand, doesn't the general public with their lack of outrage because, you know, he's on the right and they're on the left.

01:23:00.000 Don't those people understand that now they've set a precedent and then they could use that on you now or anybody else.

01:23:06.000 And if a Republican president gets in like there's in now, it could be easily used on his opponents because they've set a precedent.

01:23:15.000 That's scary shit, man.

01:23:17.000 It's really scary.

01:23:18.000 And nobody, again, it's like whether it's with Donald Sterling and privacy.

01:23:21.000 Nobody sticks up for each other on principle.

01:23:24.000 And the conservatives don't do it.

01:23:26.000 They've got like the free speech thing in their corner now much more than progressives do.

01:23:30.000 But it's like, I don't hear them sticking up for progressives who are annoying.

01:23:33.000 It's like you have to stick up for people you don't like and that you think are shit.

01:23:38.000 It's not just, you're not a big free speech warrior if you only fucking raise a flag for people who agree with you.

01:23:44.000 And I find them falling into that trap.

01:23:46.000 And it's like, don't fall into that fucking trap.

01:23:49.000 Stick up for progressives who suck and who are saying stupid things.

01:23:52.000 Defend their right to say it without getting in trouble.

01:23:55.000 Don't look at them getting fired as, well, good, good, taste of your own medicine.

01:23:58.000 Like, we get it.

01:23:59.000 But then that's how they justify you getting fired.

01:24:02.000 100%.

01:24:02.000 So it drives me crazy that people don't defend other people's right to privacy or right to say what they want.

01:24:08.000 And everyone in the country thinks they're a free speech absolutist.

01:24:11.000 But they're not.

01:24:12.000 They're not.

01:24:13.000 Elon's as close as I've seen.

01:24:15.000 Like, he doesn't seem to be shutting anybody up, like, regardless of what they say on his platform.

01:24:19.000 People are talking shit about him every day.

01:24:21.000 I saw one person was alluding to bad things happening to him, you know, like wanting that.

01:24:29.000 I wouldn't say encouraging it, but close to encouraging it.

01:24:31.000 And I'm like, if he's leaving that up, nobody has any room to complain.

01:24:35.000 Like, if he leaves up horrible shit about himself, then.

01:24:37.000 And Buddy also left up the Kanye song.

01:24:40.000 The Hitler song? 0.91

01:24:42.000 Oh, yes.

01:24:42.000 Is that where he blew his cousin, or is that a different one?

01:24:44.000 It does a different one.

01:24:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:46.000 All the hits.

01:24:46.000 Yeah.

01:24:48.000 I mean, the song is Heil Hitler.

01:24:51.000 He's singing Heil Hitler in a catchy song. 0.96

01:24:54.000 It's like, wow.

01:24:55.000 This is crazy.

01:24:57.000 It is crazy.

01:24:57.000 And I don't know Kanye West at all.

01:24:59.000 I've never particularly loved him.

01:25:01.000 I find a lot of it is just like he'll just say the most troll.

01:25:05.000 Like something tells me he's going to come back down to earth one day and go, look, I was off my medication.

01:25:09.000 I didn't mean any of that shit that I said.

01:25:11.000 I feel bad about it.

01:25:13.000 I think he's going to stay off his medication.

01:25:15.000 I think when he puts on his medication, he can't be creative.

01:25:17.000 I think part of his thing, whatever his, the way his mind works.

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 You know, I mean, it's this mania.

01:25:26.000 Yeah.

01:25:27.000 I was going to say, I understand that in a way because I've always liked, you know, you can go through your pressure or whatever.

01:25:32.000 I'm like, do I want to go on something?

01:25:33.000 But I've always been scared that it would fuck up my creativity.

01:25:38.000 Yeah, it probably will.

01:25:39.000 I mean, I think, I mean, I don't know what's going on in Kanye's mind or anybody's mind other than my own.

01:25:45.000 But I would imagine that, I mean, a guy like Kanye, who's so prolific, I mean, he's put out so many albums and he's a complete workaholic and just has, like, when you talk to him, like I had him on the podcast, and it's almost like when you're talking, he's upset.

01:26:01.000 Like, he doesn't want, he wants to talk.

01:26:02.000 He wants to just constantly talk.

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:04.000 Like, his brain's like a tornado.

01:26:06.000 Just, wah, it's all just going, all these different thoughts.

01:26:09.000 But that's also why he can make so many great songs.

01:26:12.000 It's like it's all just pouring out of him.

01:26:14.000 But, you know, it also gets out of hand.

01:26:17.000 And then, you know, you wind up in the situation where he's in now.

01:26:21.000 It also, he's the only person.

01:26:22.000 He went into, him and Trump were, he was in Trump's office one time.

01:26:26.000 And he's the only person I've ever seen Trump just kind of sit there and go, all right, well, whenever he's finished, I'll jump in.

01:26:31.000 I've never seen anyone do that to Trump.

01:26:33.000 Well, Trump was happy that any celebrity was on his side because at that point, he was Hitler. 0.79

01:26:38.000 You know, there was a lot of people that were calling him Hitler.

01:26:39.000 And to have a guy like Kanye West, who is such a contrarian, also, there was the thing because Obama said he was a jackass.

01:26:48.000 Yes.

01:26:48.000 And so he was like, oh, really?

01:26:49.000 Well, fuck you.

01:26:50.000 That's right.

01:26:51.000 It was about the Taylor Swift thing.

01:26:53.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:26:54.000 That's right.

01:26:55.000 Yeah.

01:26:55.000 That guy's a jackass.

01:26:56.000 It wasn't even that harsh of an incident.

01:26:58.000 And he said it privately, and I think somebody heard it, or it was picked up on a mic.

01:27:02.000 I don't think he said it to be public.

01:27:04.000 I thought he said it privately, and then somebody got the audio or whatever.

01:27:08.000 Was it really the Taylor Swift thing?

01:27:10.000 I believe it was, yeah.

01:27:11.000 Oh, here it is.

01:27:13.000 Here.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, it wasn't.

01:27:16.000 The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person.

01:27:18.000 She's getting her award.

01:27:19.000 What's he doing?

01:27:20.000 Why would he do that?

01:27:21.000 He's a jackass.

01:27:24.000 No, no.

01:27:26.000 All this stuff.

01:27:28.000 Look.

01:27:28.000 Cut this out.

01:27:29.000 I'm assuming all this stuff.

01:27:30.000 Where's the pool?

01:27:33.000 Come on, guys.

01:27:35.000 Cut the president some slack.

01:27:37.000 See, he wasn't even.

01:27:38.000 And he wanted that cut out.

01:27:40.000 That was private talk.

01:27:41.000 And it wasn't even said with real malice.

01:27:44.000 Real rancor.

01:27:45.000 Yeah, it was just like, he's a jackass.

01:27:47.000 People laugh.

01:27:48.000 I guess that would annoy me if I was him.

01:27:50.000 If I was him.

01:27:51.000 If it was me, I'd be like, yeah, he's right.

01:27:53.000 I guess so, yeah.

01:27:54.000 I'd be like, yeah, I was being a jackass.

01:27:56.000 But at what point do you, because everyone has a Joe Rogan opinion.

01:27:59.000 Everyone weighs in on you.

01:28:00.000 It's crazy.

01:28:01.000 Like I see on the Daily Mail all the time.

01:28:03.000 At what point are you able to go like, I just don't give a fuck what?

01:28:06.000 You don't care?

01:28:06.000 I don't read any of it.

01:28:07.000 Nope.

01:28:08.000 I don't read any of it.

01:28:09.000 No.

01:28:10.000 I guess, does it bother you?

01:28:11.000 Has it ever bothered you?

01:28:13.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:28:14.000 Why would it bother you?

01:28:15.000 What are you going to do?

01:28:15.000 You're going to change their mind?

01:28:17.000 You know, you can't.

01:28:18.000 And a lot of it is disingenuous.

01:28:20.000 A lot of it, they don't know you.

01:28:21.000 They don't listen to what you say.

01:28:23.000 You know, if they far right, whenever they say far right, far right podcast.

01:28:27.000 Okay.

01:28:28.000 I've had comics say that.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 Like, they just don't know.

01:28:30.000 And I'm like, you don't really, you really never paid attention.

01:28:33.000 I mean, he stuck up for gay marriage.

01:28:35.000 He loves Bernie.

01:28:36.000 Like, it's crazy when you hear.

01:28:39.000 I was very jealous that you, and I talked to Hinchcliffe about this when you interviewed Magnus.

01:28:44.000 Magnus Carlson.

01:28:44.000 Carlson.

01:28:45.000 Yeah, there's very few people I really want to meet that I haven't met.

01:28:48.000 But he's somebody.

01:28:49.000 Did you see him like bang the chessboard?

01:28:50.000 That was like big news in chess.

01:28:52.000 Yeah, because he made a fumble.

01:28:54.000 He fucked up.

01:28:55.000 He was ahead of the game.

01:28:56.000 He was winning, yeah.

01:28:57.000 Made a blunder.

01:28:58.000 And it was.

01:28:59.000 But here's the genius of the people.

01:29:02.000 They actually call it like a sport.

01:29:04.000 And the people watching it knew he fucked up, which means they're all geniuses.

01:29:08.000 Right, right, right.

01:29:09.000 Magnus blundered.

01:29:10.000 Magnus blundered.

01:29:11.000 They couldn't believe he had made that.

01:29:13.000 I think it was a rook move.

01:29:14.000 But he's somebody I would like to, I don't know what I'd talk to him about.

01:29:18.000 Oh, he's fascinating.

01:29:19.000 Fascinating.

01:29:20.000 Any high achiever, really high-level person like that, world champion in something that's insanely difficult, they're fascinating people.

01:29:28.000 I feel that way about MMA fighters, any kind of pro athlete, anybody who's like Aaron Rodgers, like any high-level performer.

01:29:37.000 Those are very, very unusual people.

01:29:39.000 Do you give them slack like, and I mean, just in your brain, as a person, like, if they're a little whatever, if they're rude, they're rude, but if somebody's a little quirky or weird, if you're that good at something, that might just be the price you pay.

01:29:52.000 Oh, for sure.

01:29:52.000 Like Bobby Fisher, I love.

01:29:54.000 He's one of my favorite people ever, even though he completely went berserk.

01:29:58.000 But I just, I have such an affection for Bobby Fisher, and I'm like, wow, it's just he's such a genius that sometimes it just, there's a price to pay from you.

01:30:05.000 It gets away from you.

01:30:06.000 I think it absolutely does and can.

01:30:06.000 100%.

01:30:09.000 And I think that when you're dealing with a high-level performer in any discipline, whatever drives them to be that much better than anybody else probably makes them insane.

01:30:21.000 I mean, I just don't think, I don't think real true excellence comes without a price.

01:30:28.000 I don't think there's any way to get there without just not being balanced in a bunch of other areas of your life because you're focusing almost all of your attention on one very specific thing, whether it's moving chess pieces around or throwing a football, whatever the fuck it is.

01:30:44.000 Like you're, there's no way you can be balanced in every aspect of your life if you want to be 5% better than anybody who's ever done it.

01:30:52.000 Yeah, and it is weird too, like, because to be better than everybody at something.

01:30:56.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 It's, I mean, whether, like, if you ever talk to somebody at a party, just what our life is doing stand-up, and they're talking about their job, a lot of times I'm like, oh, shut the fuck.

01:31:04.000 I don't care.

01:31:05.000 Give a shit.

01:31:06.000 I know.

01:31:08.000 So to be that on such a level better than everyone on earth at something, it's got to be hard not to live in that place where very few things are interesting.

01:31:18.000 Very few things are moving.

01:31:21.000 Like Buzz Aldrin snapped at me when we interviewed him.

01:31:24.000 He's a bit of a cranky guy.

01:31:26.000 That's not Dilly Dolly. 1.00

01:31:27.000 I've got to get to CNN.

01:31:29.000 Is that what he said yes?

01:31:29.000 Fucking Buzz.

01:31:30.000 Yes.

01:31:31.000 I asked him a question, a good question about his book on Mars.

01:31:34.000 I asked him about space travel, and I said about what type of psychological testing would you maybe need to go on a three-year space trip.

01:31:43.000 Good question.

01:31:43.000 Thank you, John.

01:31:44.000 I felt it was too.

01:31:45.000 Buzz did not.

01:31:46.000 He fucking snapped at me.

01:31:48.000 But again, like Regan had a bit about him walking on the moon, and it's like when you've gone there, it's almost like anything else.

01:31:55.000 And I took it, by the way, because it was Buzz.

01:31:57.000 I wasn't going to yell at him.

01:31:58.000 It's like he's fucking Buzz Aldrin.

01:32:00.000 I'm an annoying, blinking idiot asking a question that I think sounds smart, and he just shut me up.

01:32:00.000 Whatever.

01:32:05.000 But like, how do you find other people interesting when you're that guy?

01:32:08.000 Right.

01:32:08.000 When you've done that, maybe my question was just banal and stupid.

01:32:12.000 Well, there's a lot of people like that that are the best at the whatever the fuck they do that they can't relate to anybody else other than other people that do their thing.

01:32:20.000 And they're usually very competitive with those people.

01:32:22.000 So they've alienated them from their friend group as well, which is really kind of crazy.

01:32:27.000 Well, the worst is people who think they're that guy and who are just mediocre.

01:32:31.000 They're just like average comics.

01:32:33.000 Oh, that's the worst.

01:32:34.000 The comics are the worst with that.

01:32:35.000 The narcissist comics that believe they're better than everybody else when they're just mediocre.

01:32:40.000 It's crazy.

01:32:41.000 And then they just shit on all the other comics.

01:32:43.000 It's like, do you ever watch your own act?

01:32:45.000 Like, do you not hate your act?

01:32:47.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:32:49.000 And you think you're doing Shakespeare.

01:32:51.000 And, like, every comic, like, we all have a narcissistic quality.

01:32:54.000 Like, you need that to be in front of people.

01:32:56.000 Look at me.

01:32:57.000 Like, that's a narcissistic quality.

01:32:59.000 But there's a difference between that and being like a legit narcissist.

01:33:02.000 And the way comics are fucking, very petty about guys, like they attack Matt Reif.

01:33:02.000 Yes.

01:33:07.000 I'm like, he's harmless.

01:33:08.000 He's just out there doing his act in front of fucking 20,000 people.

01:33:10.000 They hate him because he's successful.

01:33:12.000 Yes.

01:33:12.000 But if he was nobody, they wouldn't hate him.

01:33:15.000 That's all it is, man.

01:33:16.000 There's so many.

01:33:17.000 You very rarely see these comics attacking someone who's not doing as well as them.

01:33:22.000 It's always a guy who is doing better, who they feel I'm entitled to.

01:33:26.000 They don't deserve it.

01:33:27.000 Yeah.

01:33:28.000 Yeah, my comedy is so much more cerebral, so much more interesting.

01:33:32.000 Like, oh, is it really?

01:33:34.000 That's one thing I'll say for myself.

01:33:36.000 And I have a lot of faults, but I've always put the blame squarely where it belongs on me.

01:33:41.000 I never think it's a lot of people.

01:33:41.000 Yes.

01:33:42.000 And everybody loves you.

01:33:44.000 I mean, that's a very good quality to have.

01:33:47.000 You know, like, it may be self-deprecating to a fault.

01:33:50.000 Like, you're a little bit self-deprecating to a fault.

01:33:50.000 Sure.

01:33:52.000 Like, I don't know how many times I've had to tell you, no, Jim, you're fucking great.

01:33:56.000 Stop.

01:33:57.000 You know, like, you and I have had a lot of those conversations.

01:33:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:00.000 But I don't do it for.

01:34:01.000 But it's better than me saying, Jim, you're not great.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, Jim, you're okay.

01:34:05.000 Jesus fucking Christ.

01:34:06.000 Leave everybody else alone and look at yourself.

01:34:07.000 But I don't do that because I want people to compliment me either.

01:34:10.000 I'm never out there going, gee, guys, am I fat?

01:34:14.000 That's pulses.

01:34:16.000 But it's the guys who think, like, I went and watched, and I don't know Matt.

01:34:19.000 I just, I went and watched some of his clips.

01:34:21.000 He's just doing crowd work.

01:34:21.000 I'm like, he's funny.

01:34:22.000 Like, what's the problem?

01:34:23.000 And he's good at it.

01:34:24.000 He's good at it.

01:34:25.000 It's the reason why the arena's full.

01:34:26.000 First of all, very handsome, good-looking guy.

01:34:28.000 He's cute, adorable, lovable.

01:34:30.000 Really nice guy in real life.

01:34:32.000 I knew him before he was ever famous.

01:34:34.000 I met him when he was 20 years old.

01:34:35.000 He was coming around the store.

01:34:37.000 He was a nice fucking guy.

01:34:38.000 I've been friends with him for a long time.

01:34:40.000 I don't understand that hate.

01:34:41.000 But, you know, I was coming from a different position.

01:34:45.000 You know, I was coming from a position where I was already famous and I wasn't looking to be more.

01:34:50.000 I wasn't, you know, there's some people that always feel like they haven't gotten enough.

01:34:54.000 They haven't gotten enough credit, haven't gotten enough respect.

01:34:57.000 You know, these other people are stealing from them.

01:35:01.000 It's a famine mentality.

01:35:02.000 It's a terrible mentality to carry around with you because you never heal from it.

01:35:06.000 If you go through life with this famine mindset and everybody else is doing better than you, like you, you have the worst attitude ever for getting good at things because you're always going to be focusing too much of your attention on other people.

01:35:20.000 You're really sabotaging yourself, whether you believe it or not.

01:35:23.000 What they're getting, what they're doing, it's that feeling of entitlement.

01:35:26.000 Like if I was bitter about every person that used to open for me that passed me, I mean, I'd be on a comedy club roof with an AR-15.

01:35:34.000 I couldn't handle it.

01:35:35.000 I mean, you have to learn to live with it and go like, yeah, you know what?

01:35:39.000 I recognized people that were funny.

01:35:41.000 Like I like funny people and I was right about certain people.

01:35:44.000 Like they're really good comics.

01:35:46.000 So yeah, it's that sense of entitlement that guys get that drives me fucking crazy.

01:35:50.000 But I see them attacking certain people doing well.

01:35:52.000 And I'm like, I don't, they always did it to Caratop, even though he's actually funny.

01:35:55.000 He's a funny comic.

01:35:56.000 It's a funny show.

01:35:56.000 He's got a great show in Vegas.

01:35:58.000 It's fucking great.

01:35:59.000 And he's a really nice guy.

01:36:01.000 He's a great nigga. 0.68

01:36:01.000 He's not a mean guy. 0.68

01:36:02.000 It doesn't deserve anyone's hate.

01:36:04.000 He's a sweetheart.

01:36:06.000 You know, when I had him on the podcast, he was so happy and so thankful that someone wasn't shitting on him.

01:36:10.000 And they said, like, dude, I got great crowds now.

01:36:12.000 My crowds are packed.

01:36:14.000 Like, it's a great show.

01:36:15.000 If you're in Vegas, go check him out.

01:36:17.000 It's fun.

01:36:18.000 And he's a really nice guy.

01:36:19.000 And I watched him on Kill Tony, there's a clip of him.

01:36:23.000 And they pulling out these things and like gay mouse. 0.99

01:36:26.000 It was a disco ball over a mousetrap.

01:36:28.000 And it was so stupid.

01:36:29.000 But it really is funny stuff.

01:36:31.000 It's silly.

01:36:32.000 Comedians think all props are bad or all, and me and Colin talked about that one time.

01:36:37.000 And he goes, why should the hacks own McDonald's?

01:36:39.000 Like, meaning, like, if you have something that's original and funny to say about a subject, who cares if hacks have touched it?

01:36:44.000 If your thought is original, fuck them.

01:36:46.000 Exactly.

01:36:47.000 And it's this weird thing where comics think they sound smarter if they go after certain things.

01:36:52.000 Yeah, it's stupid.

01:36:55.000 It's a dumb perspective.

01:36:56.000 It should be here's the world through my eyes, and everything is in the world.

01:37:00.000 Traffic is in the world.

01:37:01.000 If you have a traffic joke and it's actually legitimate, like maybe you have a perspective on traffic that I've never heard before.

01:37:08.000 Maybe your airline travel bit will be the airline travel bit that I really love.

01:37:12.000 Because, you know, that's the problem with comics too, is that when you're on the road too much, your experiences are very limited because all you're doing is performing in front of people, hanging out in the green room, going to dinner, flying in an airplane, staying in a hotel.

01:37:26.000 So how many comics have jokes about hotel rooms and, you know, they knock on the door even when the Do Not Disturb is on.

01:37:32.000 You're jerking off.

01:37:33.000 Like, how many guys have done those jokes?

01:37:35.000 Yes.

01:37:35.000 But it's just because you have a very limited experience to draw from.

01:37:39.000 I actually started taking days off.

01:37:43.000 And my wife and I will go on vacation somewhere.

01:37:45.000 We'll do this because it becomes where you're feeding on yourself.

01:37:48.000 Like you're only doing A, B, C, D, A, B, C, and there's no life.

01:37:52.000 And I'm like, what am I going to fucking talk about?

01:37:52.000 Right.

01:37:54.000 We get it.

01:37:54.000 You were at Newark Airport.

01:37:55.000 It sucks.

01:37:56.000 So I just wanted to do more life things.

01:37:59.000 A, because it's fun to do, but B, it's like, just, I allowed myself to, because I'm like, you can at least talk about it on stage.

01:38:05.000 It's not, you can't just talk about being a comic or your.

01:38:09.000 Right.

01:38:10.000 I'm almost too much talking about myself.

01:38:11.000 Like, I want to start talking about other things.

01:38:13.000 I just feel like the only thing I'm really qualified to discuss is my own life.

01:38:16.000 But I kind of want to talk about other shit too because life is kind of stable now.

01:38:20.000 And it's, I don't know what to do with that.

01:38:22.000 I don't know how to handle, you know what I mean?

01:38:24.000 Like not being out and being crazy and fucking riding around for four hours a night with a piss cup in my car. 0.59

01:38:30.000 I mean, it was just, it was an ugly.

01:38:32.000 It was a fucking ugly scene show.

01:38:34.000 That's what I did when ONA were kicked off the, I would ride around and just fucking, just ride around for, for, for four hours a night.

01:38:41.000 I couldn't listen to any comedy.

01:38:42.000 I couldn't because I was so in such a fucking depression.

01:38:45.000 I would put on sports radio 660, Joe Beningo overnight.

01:38:49.000 You know who he is?

01:38:50.000 No.

01:38:50.000 He was a guy on 660, 240 on the fan, and he was a Jet fan and he was a fucking maniac.

01:38:55.000 But I would listen to him complain about the Jets or Art Bell.

01:38:59.000 I fell in love with Art Bell.

01:39:00.000 He was right there.

01:39:01.000 Ah, I didn't even notice that.

01:39:03.000 Yeah, he's on the wall now.

01:39:05.000 That's why I heard about Michio Kaku was from him.

01:39:08.000 And I tell you, he lived in my building in New York.

01:39:10.000 Michio Kaku.

01:39:12.000 So I would listen to Art Bell and I would listen to Joe Beningo and just look at hookers all night. 1.00

01:39:16.000 And I'd piss in a cup and I would fucking ride around and it was just my way of, and then go to bed, wake up maybe eight hours later and go do tough crowd when I was on.

01:39:27.000 It was a very crazy fucking time.

01:39:29.000 So now life was.

01:39:30.000 When ONA got pulled, that was an interesting moment of censorship, right?

01:39:35.000 Like that homeless guy came on and said terrible things about Condoleezza Rice.

01:39:39.000 And the Queen of it.

01:39:40.000 When we got fired, was for Sex for Sam.

01:39:40.000 No, that's the difference.

01:39:43.000 That was 2000.

01:39:44.000 That was when someone had sex in a church.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 You got points.

01:39:48.000 That's right.

01:39:51.000 But the company had signed off on the bit.

01:39:54.000 Like, I got why they were mad, but they had signed off.

01:39:56.000 It was a sponsored bit.

01:39:57.000 The company knew what was going on.

01:39:59.000 So ONA could have survived that if the company didn't panic.

01:40:03.000 And in fairness, it's so funny.

01:40:05.000 Like, regular radio is what saved the career because when XM suspended the show for a month, we were on K-Rock at that time.

01:40:12.000 Right.

01:40:13.000 And they kept us on for the month.

01:40:15.000 So then eventually we came back to satellite a month later, but I think they would have to be able to do that.

01:40:18.000 I remember those days.

01:40:19.000 Yeah.

01:40:20.000 I'm not doing radio now.

01:40:21.000 It's the first time in 20 years.

01:40:22.000 It's very strange.

01:40:23.000 Wow.

01:40:24.000 To not have to be up.

01:40:27.000 I get up at like 9 now and just go to the gym so I have some kind of schedule.

01:40:32.000 But it's very weird after 20 years to be gone from that date.

01:40:35.000 It's been on radio forever.

01:40:36.000 It's been more than 20 years, hasn't it?

01:40:39.000 Well, it was 20 on this run.

01:40:41.000 But when did the ONA start?

01:40:43.000 ONA I did in like 2001, 2002.

01:40:47.000 We got fired, came back on October of 2004, and my contract expired at the end of December of 24. So it was about 22 years total.

01:40:59.000 Every comic owes ONA a debt of gratitude.

01:41:02.000 All of us do.

01:41:04.000 Without them, I don't think there would be podcasts.

01:41:07.000 I think that was the real podcast.

01:41:09.000 Because that was the first time we realized.

01:41:11.000 Because ONA did the show with no structure.

01:41:13.000 Whereas I did Howard a bunch of times, but when you did Howard, you were a guest.

01:41:17.000 They wanted stuff that you were going to talk about.

01:41:19.000 They had questions for you.

01:41:20.000 They had setups.

01:41:22.000 They were ready.

01:41:23.000 And then a couple of times I did Howard where you would write jokes for him.

01:41:26.000 So you would sit there and there was an overhead projector.

01:41:28.000 It was the Jackie chair when Jackie left.

01:41:31.000 So they brought a bunch of us in and then already wound up doing it all the time.

01:41:35.000 I couldn't do it.

01:41:36.000 I just like, it was too early in the morning.

01:41:38.000 It was like, I didn't want to live in New York.

01:41:40.000 But I did it a bunch of times.

01:41:41.000 But it was structured, you know, and Howard was always in control of it.

01:41:45.000 And he's actually running the keys.

01:41:47.000 He's running the board, the soundboard.

01:41:49.000 And, you know, it was a very structured show.

01:41:51.000 And, you know, that's how he did it forever.

01:41:53.000 I get it.

01:41:54.000 But the way ONA did it was so different.

01:41:56.000 There was no structure.

01:41:57.000 You'd go in there and just sit and just have fun.

01:42:00.000 Yeah.

01:42:00.000 And it would be Patrice and you and me and fucking, you know, everybody would come in.

01:42:06.000 Bobby.

01:42:06.000 Voss and Bobby and all these different people would come in and burr.

01:42:09.000 And, you know, I mean, and it was some of the wildest moments ever.

01:42:13.000 Like the baby bird.

01:42:16.000 I'll never see anything crazier than that in my life.

01:42:19.000 Never.

01:42:20.000 Yeah.

01:42:21.000 Yeah.

01:42:22.000 He died recently, huh?

01:42:23.000 Pat from Munaki, yeah.

01:42:24.000 Pat from Munaki.

01:42:24.000 Pat Philbin, I think his name was.

01:42:26.000 Rest in peace, Pat from Unaki.

01:42:28.000 That one thing that you did that one day was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my fucking life.

01:42:34.000 It was Ari was there with me.

01:42:36.000 Burr was there.

01:42:38.000 And I remember it was my idea.

01:42:40.000 I think it was, right?

01:42:42.000 Because, you know, I was doing Fear Factor at the time.

01:42:44.000 I was used to people doing horrible shit.

01:42:46.000 And I was like, how about you lean your head over the garbage can and he throws up in your mouth?

01:42:53.000 And fucking Pat Duffy was such a psycho.

01:42:56.000 He was like, okay.

01:42:57.000 He would do anything.

01:42:58.000 He brushed his teeth with cat shit.

01:43:00.000 I thought it was dog shit, but you might be right.

01:43:02.000 But I'm going to say Pat Duffy was a fucking.

01:43:04.000 He was a fucking psycho.

01:43:05.000 He was like a Marine.

01:43:06.000 If interns had that, he was a SEAL.

01:43:08.000 He was a SEAL.

01:43:09.000 Fearless.

01:43:10.000 He was funny.

01:43:11.000 He got it.

01:43:11.000 He didn't give a fuck.

01:43:12.000 He was great.

01:43:13.000 He was the best radio employee of all time.

01:43:13.000 He was great.

01:43:16.000 He really was.

01:43:16.000 And that moment was the fucking craziest thing I'd ever seen in my life.

01:43:21.000 I couldn't believe it was happening.

01:43:22.000 And the amount of vomit that was coming out of Pat's mouth when he was throwing it into Pat Duffy's face.

01:43:28.000 And Pat was lying there with his mouth open.

01:43:31.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 I mean, people at home listening to this, you know, come on.

01:43:34.000 There's cell phone footage of this from like a 2002 cell.

01:43:39.000 2007, yeah.

01:43:40.000 Was it 2007?

01:43:42.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 And we're in K-Rock.

01:43:43.000 That's the K-Rock studio right there.

01:43:44.000 He just throws up in his mouth.

01:43:46.000 His mouth's wide open.

01:43:47.000 It was so disgusting.

01:43:48.000 And it kept coming.

01:43:49.000 Yeah.

01:43:50.000 Because Pat drank like some fucking 70-something things of eggnog.

01:43:54.000 It was like two gallons of eggnog.

01:43:56.000 And he had diagonal.

01:43:56.000 It was fucking insane.

01:43:57.000 Oh, there it goes.

01:43:58.000 There it goes.

01:43:59.000 And it would just keep coming.

01:44:01.000 Like you're like, no, it's over.

01:44:02.000 And if you hear us in the studio, we're all screaming.

01:44:09.000 He just keeps throwing up.

01:44:11.000 You think it's over?

01:44:12.000 You think it's over?

01:44:13.000 Nope.

01:44:14.000 He's got more.

01:44:15.000 And at the end, I mean, it's cartoons.

01:44:19.000 It's like that scene in Stand By Me with the Blueberry Eating Contest.

01:44:23.000 Or in Monty Python.

01:44:23.000 Yes.

01:44:25.000 It keeps going.

01:44:26.000 It keeps going.

01:44:26.000 It doesn't end.

01:44:28.000 He thinks it's over.

01:44:30.000 Oh, it's fucking absolutely, completely insane.

01:44:33.000 Do you ever see the meaning of life, Monty Python?

01:44:35.000 When the guy, a waffer-thin mint, monsieur?

01:44:38.000 And he starts vomiting.

01:44:39.000 Get me a bucket.

01:44:40.000 I'm going to throw up.

01:44:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:41.000 That's what he reminds me of because he's not moving.

01:44:43.000 He's standing there and his mouth opens and the vomit just shoot.

01:44:48.000 Usually you wretch and you move, but he just opened his mouth and it was like a button got pushed.

01:44:55.000 It's the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.

01:44:57.000 Yeah.

01:44:57.000 And if it wasn't, there it is.

01:45:00.000 It's just like, but it's not, that's not even his extreme.

01:45:00.000 Exactly.

01:45:03.000 No.

01:45:03.000 Look how fat that guy is.

01:45:04.000 He was just great.

01:45:05.000 Insane.

01:45:06.000 A wuffer thin mint.

01:45:08.000 And, you know, that show, having that kind of a format, let us all realize how fun it is to just get comics together and just talk shit.

01:45:16.000 Yeah.

01:45:17.000 You know, and then when Anthony started doing live from the compound, when he did his own show, that was really, and then, of course, Tom Green's show, because Tom Green had his own show in his living room.

01:45:26.000 And I was a guest on that, too.

01:45:28.000 And I was like, that really lit the light bulb in my head.

01:45:30.000 But when Anthony started doing his own show from his basement, I was like, why don't I do something like that?

01:45:36.000 And he had a professional setup.

01:45:38.000 He had fucking beer kegs and he had beer on tap and he was doing karaoke with a machine gun.

01:45:44.000 With a machine gun.

01:45:45.000 I mean, just a psychopath singing, you light up my life with a fucking AR-15.

01:45:50.000 But he was having a good time.

01:45:52.000 And I remember the radio station was trying to get him to stop doing it.

01:45:56.000 XM or Sirius, whoever it was, was trying to get him to stop doing it.

01:45:59.000 And he was like, well, why?

01:46:00.000 It's not radio.

01:46:02.000 If anything, he's getting more people to watch the radio show.

01:46:05.000 He would do it on weekends.

01:46:06.000 It didn't interfere with the show.

01:46:07.000 It was like he would just go and fuck around.

01:46:10.000 That was back when we were on Pal Talk, too, remember?

01:46:12.000 Oh, God, yeah.

01:46:13.000 Yeah, the video would be on Pal Talk because most people would only be watching or listening on radio.

01:46:19.000 Right.

01:46:19.000 But then they would broadcast live on Pal Talk because it was like so unheard of.

01:46:23.000 Like nobody was doing that.

01:46:24.000 That was how the Anthony Wiener dick photo got out.

01:46:27.000 Really?

01:46:28.000 That was from Opie and Anthony.

01:46:29.000 That was, we had Vincent D'Anofrio in studio and we had Andrew Breepart.

01:46:35.000 And because I had met Breepart doing Red Eye on Fox. 0.96

01:46:38.000 So they both came in and we were talking and the Pal Talk window was open. 0.94

01:46:42.000 And apparently I didn't, like Andrew had the picture of Anthony Wiener's dick.

01:46:46.000 So he showed us in studio.

01:46:48.000 We just looked at it on the phone.

01:46:49.000 I didn't, but apparently Anthony held it up to the Pal Talk window and showed them and somebody grabbed it.

01:46:56.000 Oh, wow.

01:46:57.000 And that was how that photo got out.

01:47:00.000 Wow.

01:47:01.000 Sirius XM and stinky situation.

01:47:04.000 I want an investigation from Sirius into what the hell happened there, Breitbart says after he shows an X-rated picture to Shock Jocks, Opie and Anthony, who then share it on Twitter.

01:47:13.000 Or maybe one of the guys tweeted it too.

01:47:15.000 But it was one of the, Breitbart got mad at me, and he's like, I was friends with Jim Norton, and he told this to Elliot Spitzer on his show, and he goes, and he betrayed me, but I really didn't.

01:47:23.000 It wasn't me.

01:47:23.000 I was doing Tom Papa's fucking podcast.

01:47:26.000 So he thought you did it.

01:47:27.000 He thought I set him up, but I really didn't.

01:47:29.000 No.

01:47:30.000 And I saw him years later in L.A., and I explained it to him, and he was very cool.

01:47:34.000 I was happy because right before he died, so I always liked him.

01:47:36.000 I was happy that we at least, I got to tell him, dude, that wasn't me at all.

01:47:39.000 Did they whack him?

01:47:41.000 Did they whack Andrew Breepard?

01:47:42.000 No, because they would have crashed the site.

01:47:44.000 I mean, he was doing Coke, right?

01:47:45.000 Wasn't it an overdose or something?

01:47:46.000 I think he had a heart attack.

01:47:47.000 Oh, it was a heart attack.

01:47:48.000 I thought it was.

01:47:49.000 I'm just starting rumors.

01:47:50.000 He was doing Coke, right?

01:47:51.000 I don't remember.

01:47:52.000 I mean, maybe he was doing Coke, but I think it was a heart attack.

01:47:54.000 Oh, my God.

01:47:55.000 I think there was a lot of suspicion that he might have got whacked.

01:47:58.000 Really?

01:47:58.000 Because, yeah, he was one of those guys that was exposing a lot of shit.

01:48:03.000 Yeah, but they didn't crash the site.

01:48:05.000 Did the sight change after he was gone?

01:48:07.000 He was wearing headphones.

01:48:09.000 God damn it, it's just so bad.

01:48:10.000 He used to put them on.

01:48:11.000 No wonder I was enjoying myself so much when Liberace winks at me.

01:48:15.000 Liberace got you to wear headphones.

01:48:17.000 He sure did.

01:48:17.000 I just noticed that you were wearing them.

01:48:19.000 Yeah, I didn't notice either, but when Liberace winks, you have to hear it in both ears.

01:48:26.000 Yeah, there was some speculation that he got whacked.

01:48:28.000 But whenever anybody dies, there's speculation they got whacked.

01:48:32.000 Yeah, I didn't know that.

01:48:34.000 But I felt bad about that.

01:48:35.000 Was that collapsed on the street near his home?

01:48:38.000 Collapsed on the street near his home?

01:48:40.000 Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

01:48:43.000 Focal coronary arthrosclerosis died from congestive heart failure, which had been diagnosed the year before.

01:48:53.000 Oh, so he had a heart attack.

01:48:54.000 Okay.

01:48:55.000 Yeah.

01:48:55.000 Well, I mean, when you're running a site like that, I mean, imagine the stress.

01:49:00.000 It's constant.

01:49:00.000 Yeah.

01:49:01.000 And then, you know, you're also like your business is exposing people politically and opening up yourself to potential assassination.

01:49:08.000 Well, who do you think put up the Opium Anthony Homeless Charlie audio?

01:49:12.000 Oh, he did?

01:49:12.000 It was Andrew Brepart.

01:49:13.000 It was before I knew him.

01:49:14.000 But that's what it went up on Briebart.

01:49:17.000 And the headline was, will this crash?

01:49:21.000 Will this stop the merger between Sirius and XM?

01:49:24.000 Wow.

01:49:25.000 So that was why they reacted because they were afraid.

01:49:27.000 I think people in regular radio wanted to stop that merger.

01:49:30.000 Oh, 100%.

01:49:31.000 So they...

01:49:34.000 They were terrified of it.

01:49:35.000 And so I think they pushed that story, hoping that it would fucking tank the merger, which of course it did not.

01:49:41.000 You remember those days when you first went over there?

01:49:43.000 It was so crazy because we could talk like we could talk in the green room.

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:48.000 We could swear.

01:49:49.000 We'd call someone a cunt. 1.00

01:49:50.000 You could say anything you want.

01:49:51.000 It was crazy.

01:49:52.000 They never, I'll tell you one thing about seriously, even though I didn't like the way the contract, way my time there ended, I wish that was handled a little bit better.

01:49:59.000 But I guess everybody who leaves a gig wishes things were handled differently.

01:50:03.000 They never once fucked with me about content. 0.71

01:50:06.000 I'll say that for them.

01:50:06.000 They never came to me and goes, hey, man, that thing you talked about, could you not?

01:50:10.000 Could you back off?

01:50:11.000 Even long into where everybody was getting canceled and in trouble, Sirius never came and asked me not to say something.

01:50:19.000 Jim McClure, who ran the channel, never broke my balls about jokes we did or a stance we would take.

01:50:25.000 Like they kind of let that go.

01:50:27.000 Well, they had a crazy situation where you knew that one person was getting insane amounts of money, yes, Howard Stern, and everybody else was getting very little.

01:50:37.000 It was real weird.

01:50:38.000 It was because it was very open that Howard was getting all that money, which obviously he was the reason why everybody went over there in the first place.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, he said it.

01:50:47.000 It was serious, and we were at XM and he was at Sirius, and that was the giant get was Howard going over there.

01:50:52.000 Also, there's also the thing that if he leaves, the stock collapses, especially now.

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:58.000 You know, I mean, if you don't have Howard Stern anymore, what do you got?

01:51:02.000 What do you have that's not available for free?

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 I sold my Sirius stock, so whatever happens.

01:51:07.000 I was happy.

01:51:07.000 I did.

01:51:07.000 It spiked up to like seven and I fucking dumped.

01:51:10.000 Were you allowed to sell while you were working there?

01:51:12.000 Did you have to wait till you weren't working there?

01:51:13.000 No, nobody cared.

01:51:14.000 Nobody asked me.

01:51:15.000 They didn't give me stock.

01:51:15.000 Did you give you stock or you bought it?

01:51:16.000 No, I bought.

01:51:18.000 I bought it years before when I thought they were going to go bankrupt.

01:51:22.000 We bought a little bit.

01:51:23.000 But that's when I talked about the lawsuits when I was getting sued, so I didn't buy as much because I was paying for fucking lawyers.

01:51:28.000 But yeah, they tried to cut me like an unreasonable amount.

01:51:30.000 And so we were still negotiating.

01:51:31.000 And then they just go, oh, yeah, we're not going to renew.

01:51:33.000 They waited till Christmas break and they go, we're not going to renew.

01:51:36.000 So I was like, all right.

01:51:37.000 I guess I get why they did that.

01:51:39.000 But it's got to be weird when you're over there and you know that Stern is getting hundreds of millions of dollars and everybody else is like, you know, they're just pinching pennies with people.

01:51:47.000 I never minded that and really didn't care because I only cared about what I was getting.

01:51:53.000 And when I saw what they gave certain podcasters that went over there, I'm like, okay, they do have the money.

01:51:59.000 So if they're choosing not to give it to me, I have to just accept that.

01:52:03.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:52:04.000 Like, I never knew what Opie and Anthony made.

01:52:06.000 I still to this day don't know what their salary was.

01:52:08.000 I never asked, never begrudge those guys.

01:52:11.000 I never gave a fuck.

01:52:13.000 Like, you know, they were the brand, Opie Anthony.

01:52:15.000 It was like they took me in, so I never care what they got.

01:52:18.000 I never felt entitled to their money.

01:52:20.000 And I never asked what they made.

01:52:21.000 Even me and Opie did a show.

01:52:22.000 I never said, what's he making?

01:52:24.000 Like, they gave me a raise, but I didn't, I don't look at money like that.

01:52:27.000 Like, I have to know what you're making.

01:52:29.000 Because it's like, that's not my money.

01:52:31.000 That's good.

01:52:31.000 That's a healthy way to look at it.

01:52:32.000 Yeah.

01:52:33.000 So whatever Howard made, I'm sure some of it was inflated, but like.

01:52:36.000 Oh, he made a lot of fucking money.

01:52:38.000 He did.

01:52:38.000 He made a lot of fucking money.

01:52:40.000 But again, if he's not there, how are you selling it?

01:52:44.000 If he's not there, what are you selling that's not available for free everywhere?

01:52:49.000 That's why I was like bummed about the way it happened.

01:52:51.000 I'm like, because we did a talk show.

01:52:52.000 Maybe they were just like, yeah, we can put more money into the rest of the channel if Jim goes.

01:52:56.000 Whatever.

01:52:56.000 I'm glad I'm doing a podcast.

01:52:57.000 Like, I haven't noticed any change in my life, which is great because I'm on the road more making, you know, I'm making money on the road, but it's weird not having it.

01:53:05.000 It's weird.

01:53:06.000 It's weird not knowing that it's there.

01:53:09.000 Right, right, right.

01:53:10.000 Like, it hasn't affected anything, but the knowledge that that income was going to be there is gone.

01:53:16.000 So it's kind of a weird naked feeling.

01:53:18.000 Does it make you more motivated to do stuff, though?

01:53:21.000 To like to get your own thing going on?

01:53:24.000 I'm on the road more now.

01:53:25.000 Like I'm doing extra road work.

01:53:27.000 And the special was one of those things where I wanted to do one anyway, but I shot it in November.

01:53:33.000 And before we even came back from break, I had my channel set up.

01:53:37.000 I had already started doing episodes.

01:53:40.000 I was like, fuck this.

01:53:40.000 I'm not sitting and waiting.

01:53:42.000 It's not going to take me a year.

01:53:43.000 I'm just going to get up.

01:53:44.000 And if it takes me a year to get moving, fine.

01:53:47.000 But I'm going to start now.

01:53:48.000 What is Sam doing these days?

01:53:50.000 He's doing a show.

01:53:50.000 They gave him the show.

01:53:51.000 Oh, so he's still on the show and they got rid of you?

01:53:53.000 Yes.

01:53:54.000 Whoa.

01:53:55.000 Well, I mean, I kind of saw that coming.

01:53:56.000 Are you?

01:53:57.000 See?

01:53:57.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 I mean, I almost, because they had cut me the year before, a little bit.

01:54:03.000 But again, I'm not unreasonable.

01:54:04.000 I'm not a fucking idiot.

01:54:05.000 People take cuts.

01:54:06.000 Oh, they cut your money?

01:54:07.000 Yes, by 10%.

01:54:09.000 But I'm like, you know what?

01:54:10.000 It's still good money.

01:54:11.000 My wife had just come to the States. 0.99

01:54:12.000 I'm like, I want to make sure I have money for lawyers, whatever.

01:54:14.000 And then I told my manager, they're going to cut me by this much, guaranteed.

01:54:18.000 And they almost to the dollar offered me what I predicted.

01:54:22.000 So we pushed back and try to negotiate.

01:54:24.000 And they were acting like they were negotiating.

01:54:26.000 And then the day of Christmas break, like when we were off the air for two weeks, I got the call like, yeah, we're not going to.

01:54:33.000 So they were just kind of, I think, keeping it going until that.

01:54:36.000 But I don't have any bad.

01:54:37.000 I truly don't.

01:54:38.000 Like, they bought me two apartments.

01:54:40.000 I had a great life there.

01:54:41.000 I fucking, I broadcasted for 20 years.

01:54:43.000 Like, it's time to move on anyway.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, and I was telling you a long time ago that you could be doing better on the internet anyway by your own.

01:54:50.000 I think you, I remember, I remember you talking to me, I mean, 2017 around there, even before then, about podcast.

01:54:56.000 I wasn't allowed to podcast because of my contract.

01:55:00.000 They wouldn't allow it.

01:55:01.000 And I think that was one of the sticking points with this one.

01:55:03.000 I was like, I have to be able to do my own podcast, especially if I'm taking a cut.

01:55:08.000 And I'll just eat shit for a while until it gets where I want it to go.

01:55:11.000 Yeah, you have to be able to be your own boss in this day and age.

01:55:14.000 It's just not.

01:55:16.000 And also, as big as SiriusXM was, it's just not that anymore.

01:55:22.000 You know, it's just not what it used to be.

01:55:24.000 Like, if I didn't have a podcast and during the Opie and Anthony days, when it was in its height, if they offered me a show, I'd be like, whoa, that would have made sense.

01:55:34.000 But now I'd be like, what am I, what?

01:55:37.000 Unless I wanted to do kind of what Howard's done, just make a ton of money and kind of like slip away, which is really what I kind of tried to do with Spotify.

01:55:46.000 I was hoping that Spotify was going to make me like 10% less famous.

01:55:49.000 That was like the idea behind it.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:50.000 I was like, give me money.

01:55:52.000 Give me money.

01:55:52.000 I want to be any more famous.

01:55:54.000 I don't need that.

01:55:55.000 And we just give me the money.

01:55:59.000 But nowadays, it's like there's just not enough people listening.

01:56:02.000 And I know they own Pandora now too.

01:56:04.000 So they've made a bunch of deals with podcasters because I think they're going to try to get people to listen to Pandora and do it that way.

01:56:10.000 You're Stitcher.

01:56:11.000 I think they do too.

01:56:12.000 Stitcher.

01:56:12.000 Yep.

01:56:13.000 We used to be on Stitcher too.

01:56:14.000 But that's the thing.

01:56:15.000 It's like the internet is just too, there's so many more people that are listening to all these other platforms, Spotify, YouTube.

01:56:24.000 It's just too enormous.

01:56:26.000 It's too big to ignore.

01:56:29.000 It is, it is.

01:56:29.000 And it's like, I think that they kind of, they handle podcasting in a way that terrestrial radio handled satellite, which was, ah, you know, it's not a big deal.

01:56:40.000 And then get involved with it or somehow embrace it, but a little bit later in the, in the game.

01:56:45.000 It's a little too late.

01:56:45.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 But I mean, they have some big podcasts.

01:56:47.000 I mean, like, again, I don't think they.

01:56:48.000 They have Caller Daddy now.

01:56:50.000 They do.

01:56:50.000 And when I realized the money they gave her, again, I don't begrudge her at all.

01:56:54.000 Like, whatever you make, you make, and it's got nothing to do with my salary.

01:56:57.000 But I realize they do have the money.

01:56:59.000 So if they're choosing not to, I have to just fucking accept that.

01:57:01.000 But you got to wonder if that's a good idea for her.

01:57:04.000 But she's still on Spotify, though.

01:57:07.000 I don't know.

01:57:07.000 Is she?

01:57:07.000 I don't know.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, isn't she?

01:57:09.000 She is, right?

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:10.000 I think she's still everywhere else, too.

01:57:13.000 Yeah.

01:57:13.000 Which makes it a good idea.

01:57:15.000 The thing is, if they limit your distribution, that's what makes it a bad idea.

01:57:19.000 Like, one of the new things that we did with this new deal with Spotify, and they were actually into it, was put it everywhere.

01:57:26.000 You know, not just be on Spotify, but also go back on YouTube, back on Apple, back everywhere, which made me very happy.

01:57:33.000 Like, it should be everywhere.

01:57:34.000 Yes.

01:57:35.000 Because you want people just to stumble on it or to go, I heard this thing about this thing today.

01:57:39.000 I want to go look at it right now.

01:57:40.000 They don't have to sign up for something, enter the fucking email. 0.97

01:57:43.000 Exactly.

01:57:43.000 Give your credit card.

01:57:45.000 Yeah, it's kind of silly.

01:57:46.000 And some people just get accustomed to using certain platforms.

01:57:50.000 Like for me, forever, all I listen to is Apple podcasts.

01:57:53.000 You know, the podcast app on Apple.

01:57:55.000 It's simple.

01:57:56.000 I'd like download whatever the fucking shows I wanted to listen to, and I would get it that way.

01:58:01.000 I don't want to have to change.

01:58:03.000 I don't want to have to look around.

01:58:04.000 It's just one of those things.

01:58:06.000 People get accustomed to getting things in a certain way.

01:58:08.000 It's right.

01:58:09.000 It's there.

01:58:10.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 It's great to see, too, like, I don't know if Schultz, I'm sure he does get the credit, but like Dane deserves a lot of credit because of the social media.

01:58:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:20.000 And I think Dane, history has kind of forgotten about what, like, he did a lot to change the way we promote.

01:58:25.000 100%.

01:58:26.000 And then Schultz, that fucking thing of just turn your phone this way now, like, holy shit.

01:58:31.000 Like, it revolutionized the way comedians put out clips.

01:58:35.000 And it's like, I mean.

01:58:36.000 Well, what he did was do, he capitalized on COVID in the best possible way.

01:58:42.000 He came up with a different style.

01:58:44.000 He's so smart.

01:58:46.000 He thought of a different style of com because there was a lot of people during COVID that were doing like late-night talk show monologues on the internet, and they were terrible.

01:58:55.000 Terrible.

01:58:55.000 Because there was no audience.

01:58:56.000 No audience.

01:58:57.000 But what Schultz did was he made up for the fact there wasn't any audience with visuals and rapid fire punchlines.

01:59:04.000 That's right.

01:59:05.000 And he did it differently than he does his stand-up.

01:59:08.000 Like his stand-up, he'll say something really funny and let it sit.

01:59:11.000 So it's even funnier.

01:59:13.000 Like it builds, you know, and he'll look at you like what?

01:59:17.000 You know, it'll hold the laugh.

01:59:18.000 Yes.

01:59:19.000 Whereas in this Netflix or in the, you know, it was on Netflix as well.

01:59:23.000 But when he was doing the sideways thing, it was just rapid fire.

01:59:26.000 And it is, he's more than a this and a that and a that and a this and the photograph of the thing and you'd watch and you'd go hilarious.

01:59:32.000 He's different than stand-up.

01:59:33.000 Yes.

01:59:33.000 And everybody was sharing it.

01:59:34.000 It was a genius approach to a genre instead of trying to apply stand-up style comedy and monologues to your Instagram.

01:59:46.000 He did a whole new thing.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, and his stand-up is funny.

01:59:49.000 He did something on jokes that only work in Hawaii.

01:59:52.000 And it's in an arena, and he's fucking murdering the way you murder in a club.

01:59:57.000 But it's like they're all new jokes just for Hawaii.

01:59:59.000 And it was like, god damn, it's really fun.

02:00:00.000 He does that everywhere he goes.

02:00:01.000 I know.

02:00:02.000 He did that in Abu Dhabi.

02:00:03.000 Or in Dubai.

02:00:04.000 Yeah, in Dubai.

02:00:05.000 He had jokes only about Dubai, about, you know, about shitting on hookers.

02:00:09.000 It was like.

02:00:10.000 Oh, that's so awesome.

02:00:11.000 It's my life.

02:00:14.000 But I was happy to see somebody doing something really creative as opposed to blinking their way through Chip Chip or something on a fucking TBS show.

02:00:22.000 We do have to survive.

02:00:23.000 Don't shit on Chip.

02:00:24.000 I love Chip.

02:00:25.000 I love Chip, too.

02:00:26.000 I love the fact that that's your closet character.

02:00:28.000 Would you put the wig on and the glasses?

02:00:31.000 You understand it's the bane of my existence.

02:00:32.000 I can't do anything without being called a sock cucka and fucking Pekka Kissa. 0.89

02:00:37.000 In the live chat today, it's all Chip.

02:00:39.000 Hey, when's Chip coming back?

02:00:40.000 Chip is better.

02:00:41.000 It's all people love and hate Chip.

02:00:43.000 I love Chip.

02:00:44.000 I love Chip.

02:00:45.000 Yeah, it's Stab is such a fucking weird thing.

02:00:48.000 It is.

02:00:49.000 It really is.

02:00:50.000 I might do it again.

02:00:51.000 I miss doing it.

02:00:52.000 Like when Anthony would come on, it was like the best.

02:00:55.000 I did three live shows with it, and it was fucking amazing.

02:00:57.000 There were theater shows, and the crowds loved it.

02:01:00.000 It sold better than I do, which is absolutely humiliating.

02:01:03.000 I sold tickets faster as Chip than Jim Norton.

02:01:06.000 Jim Norton, there's still a giant curtain.

02:01:08.000 Chip fucking sold out.

02:01:10.000 But I do miss doing it, but I don't miss getting guests.

02:01:12.000 Like I fucking, now I have one podcast to do.

02:01:15.000 I love doing it, but I still hate saying, hey, could you film my, like, I hate.

02:01:19.000 Did you do it all yourself?

02:01:20.000 Is that the way you did it?

02:01:22.000 Pretty much.

02:01:22.000 Reach out to people.

02:01:24.000 Yeah, I had a, my co-host, the co-host I was using most recently was Zia, and she was great. 0.90

02:01:29.000 And she would do like a lot of the behind-the-scenes work for me, and she would, you know, help reach out to people and coordinate.

02:01:35.000 But I ultimately had to ask.

02:01:36.000 It was like one of those things if I wanted a comedian on.

02:01:39.000 One time Nick DiPaulo came on, and he was sitting across, and this was what Chip gave us all sailor hats, and we were all wearing sailor hats.

02:01:46.000 One day you'll call him Chip.

02:01:48.000 I have to.

02:01:48.000 I can't say me.

02:01:50.000 I can't face it.

02:01:53.000 It's like Ted Bundy would talk about himself in the third person.

02:01:56.000 Why?

02:01:56.000 Because he's not proud of it.

02:01:57.000 So we had on these sailor hats.

02:02:00.000 I remember Nick was talking to me.

02:02:01.000 We were having fun, but it was the way he was like looking, like he was looking at Jim as he was talking.

02:02:07.000 And he didn't say, he was, he played along, but I was like, oh.

02:02:12.000 It's like, yeah, fucking.

02:02:14.000 I just had a Nick stare at me.

02:02:16.000 And I knew he was seeing his friend Jim and a wig and glasses.

02:02:21.000 But I do miss, it made me laugh to do it, but people would just be too annoying about like, oh, get this, guys, get that.

02:02:29.000 They would complain.

02:02:29.000 I was like, oh, I made zero money doing it.

02:02:32.000 And here's why.

02:02:32.000 I didn't make a money on YouTube because I didn't realize that I shouldn't have had the word fuck in the theme song.

02:02:38.000 Jamie Jaster from fucking Hate Breed sang the theme song and it was chip has a fucking, but like literally that automatically fucks you for monetization.

02:02:47.000 Right.

02:02:47.000 And I had no idea.

02:02:48.000 So all of my episodes had fuck in the first five seconds.

02:02:52.000 I never made any money doing chip.

02:02:53.000 A few hundred bucks on a read here and there.

02:02:55.000 But it was a labor of love.

02:02:57.000 It was one of those things that you.

02:02:58.000 You could bring it back with a new theme song?

02:03:00.000 I could.

02:03:00.000 Or I did change it at one point.

02:03:02.000 I changed it.

02:03:03.000 I took it fucking out.

02:03:04.000 Change it.

02:03:04.000 People love chip.

02:03:05.000 But gosh darn.

02:03:06.000 It was like some obvious some awful edit that went in.

02:03:10.000 But it's like, when am I going to do it?

02:03:12.000 Where am I going to do it?

02:03:13.000 Once mine gets up and like mine's been up for a few months.

02:03:15.000 I love doing it.

02:03:16.000 We do callers, which I like the live interactions.

02:03:19.000 Like when you do radio, it's hard to not feel like anybody is listening in the moment.

02:03:25.000 And it takes you in weird directions.

02:03:26.000 Like people will call up with legit, everyone, like some kind of like, ah.

02:03:30.000 But then as soon as somebody goes, what do you think about this?

02:03:32.000 And they're talking about wanting to commit suicide or they're talking about fucking, it becomes interesting because people are like, everyone wants to give advice.

02:03:38.000 Right, right, right.

02:03:39.000 So I like that.

02:03:40.000 I like knowing that something alive will take you into a different direction than we would have gone in.

02:03:45.000 Yeah.

02:03:45.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

02:03:46.000 Yeah.

02:03:47.000 There's something to that.

02:03:48.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 There's definitely something to that.

02:03:50.000 But there's that, you know, there's also something, it's like it becomes very chaotic because people are calling in just to fuck with you.

02:03:56.000 I've surprisingly had very little of that.

02:03:59.000 I mean, again, I'm always, with coming from ONA, like nothing is too much at this point because you become so used to craziness and death threats.

02:04:10.000 I still use a fake name at the seller because I would get death threats.

02:04:13.000 Like there was a couple of them that actually concerned me because people were using their real names.

02:04:17.000 I'm like, if a guy is threatening to kill you with his real name attached to it, like he's fucking, he's a problem.

02:04:22.000 What was it over?

02:04:24.000 There was one time Anthony had said something and the guy thought I said it.

02:04:29.000 And the guy said something about, I'm going to fucking kill you.

02:04:31.000 I don't remember what it was, but it was the tone he said it.

02:04:34.000 I'm like, that feels different than anything anyone's ever said to me.

02:04:38.000 Plus, again, last time we talked about the fucking lawyer who hadn't committed a murder at that point, but I still knew he was crazy.

02:04:44.000 And I would get, I have a hate mail fucking file.

02:04:46.000 And I used to argue with them back and forth like a dummy.

02:04:50.000 But people would tell me, watch your back.

02:04:52.000 I know where you live.

02:04:53.000 I'm going to shoot you.

02:04:54.000 And then I would see a real name signed to it.

02:04:56.000 And I'm like, yeah, that guy's mentally ill.

02:04:59.000 There's a lot of those out there.

02:05:00.000 Fuck yeah, there are a lot.

02:05:01.000 So I started doing it.

02:05:02.000 At the comedy seller, I would always use names from the JFK assassination.

02:05:06.000 Like David Ferry was appearing.

02:05:09.000 It was never Oswald or Kennedy.

02:05:11.000 I wasn't that on the nose, but it was him.

02:05:12.000 It was, you know, Clay Shaw.

02:05:14.000 It was just all these weird people from the fucking, from the Kennedy assassination.

02:05:18.000 Allie Wong used to have to do that at the comedy store. 1.00

02:05:21.000 Because she was famous, right?

02:05:22.000 Would you have stalkers?

02:05:23.000 She'd get stalkers.

02:05:24.000 There was this one crazy guy that kept showing up.

02:05:27.000 But, you know, I guess stalkers for a woman are even more creepy. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Much more terrifying for a woman.

02:05:33.000 And it's like, there's got to be a way.

02:05:34.000 Like, in Black Mirror, there's one thing you'd, they had a thing where you could block people from seeing you.

02:05:39.000 And again, it's a futuristic thing.

02:05:41.000 But the penalty for stalking should be so fucking severe because the way they allow someone to ruin someone else's life, it's crazy that they haven't figured out something where when you're convicted of stalking, you should be forced to have something in your phone or some type of a monitor bracelet that alerts the other person.

02:06:01.000 It drives me crazy.

02:06:02.000 There's nothing I hate more than some fucking creep stalker.

02:06:05.000 But I guess I've dealt with it.

02:06:06.000 Again, it's very creepy for women, way more creepy for women. 1.00

02:06:10.000 And they get a lot more of them.

02:06:12.000 A lot of guys get obsessed.

02:06:14.000 Yeah, because I don't get stalked.

02:06:15.000 I'm not interesting to stalk because I fuck you. 1.00

02:06:19.000 Do you want to stalk me?

02:06:21.000 Just show up and have nice tits. 1.00

02:06:22.000 I mean, you got me.

02:06:24.000 But I did fuck one stalker, which was great.

02:06:26.000 It turned out to be.

02:06:27.000 Oh, no.

02:06:27.000 Yeah, it was a bad move.

02:06:30.000 And I was bad in bed.

02:06:31.000 I couldn't keep it up.

02:06:33.000 It was during the lawsuit.

02:06:35.000 It was a really bad time for me.

02:06:36.000 And I kind of felt badly.

02:06:37.000 She thought I didn't like her, but I was just...

02:06:43.000 And it was not scary like it would be for a woman.

02:06:47.000 Just annoying.

02:06:48.000 But it becomes a part of your life.

02:06:49.000 Like, you become, like, this is with the old iPhones.

02:06:52.000 So I would always get these, I would leave LA on a red eye and I would land and my iPhone would be filled with voice messages about, you know what, Jim, and just, you know, what a piece of shit I was, what a bad guy.

02:07:04.000 So, like, she used to think I was talking to her on the radio.

02:07:07.000 Oh, she was schizophrenic.

02:07:09.000 I don't know.

02:07:10.000 We would talk dirty a lot.

02:07:11.000 And I, and I, and, and, and, you know, and credit where it's due.

02:07:16.000 Good, dirty talk.

02:07:16.000 Oh, you have no idea.

02:07:18.000 The crazy ones are the best.

02:07:19.000 Fuck, they anticipate exactly what you need right before you get there.

02:07:24.000 Oh.

02:07:24.000 Psychotic and erotic.

02:07:26.000 Yeah.

02:07:26.000 Real close.

02:07:27.000 It really is.

02:07:28.000 Because there's something about the inhibitions being lowered.

02:07:32.000 And, you know, the cuck talk.

02:07:33.000 I always like that.

02:07:34.000 Not as much now because, again, I'm married, but I always enjoyed good cuck talk.

02:07:38.000 It would always make me very happy.

02:07:39.000 And I get why guys wouldn't like that, but it would make me fucking crazy.

02:07:43.000 It's so weird what people like.

02:07:44.000 Like the shitting on the chest thing.

02:07:46.000 That's position.

02:07:47.000 Like influencers get paid to go to Dubai a lot of money and those guys will shit on them.

02:07:54.000 Wait, they shit on the influencer or the influencer's shits on them?

02:07:57.000 They shit on the influencer. 0.86

02:07:59.000 Really?

02:07:59.000 I can see that.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:01.000 Like hot girls. 1.00

02:08:02.000 Hot girls go over there and they can make half a million dollars getting shit on for a weekend. 1.00

02:08:08.000 That's so that's crazy.

02:08:10.000 Yeah.

02:08:10.000 Like just, I guess that feels like.

02:08:11.000 It's probably more than that.

02:08:12.000 I mean, if you're thinking about people that have insane amounts of money, you know, you're dealing with like oil money.

02:08:19.000 These guys, like, you know, we talk about the richest people in the world.

02:08:22.000 Elon Musk is the richest man in the world.

02:08:24.000 Yes.

02:08:24.000 Well, he's the richest public man in the world.

02:08:26.000 I mean, I'm not saying he's not insanely rich.

02:08:28.000 He's worth $200 and something billion dollars.

02:08:31.000 But that's nothing compared to these royal families.

02:08:34.000 These oil families, they probably have trillions.

02:08:38.000 They probably have trillions of dollars, but it's not public.

02:08:40.000 They don't have to disclose how much money they have.

02:08:44.000 Whereas in America, like wealthy people that are like on the on the legit and the up and up, you, you know, everybody knows what your net worth is.

02:08:53.000 knows how much you have.

02:08:57.000 But to shit on an influencer.

02:08:58.000 I've seen a few TikToks where I'm like, I'd give her $1,000 if she let me take a dump on her. 1.00

02:09:02.000 She was annoying. 1.00

02:09:03.000 She was annoying. 1.00

02:09:04.000 I think that's what they do.

02:09:05.000 That's crazy.

02:09:06.000 I mean, this is, people have talked about it openly.

02:09:08.000 Girls have talked on some of those weird podcasts. 0.94

02:09:11.000 Girls have talked about how they go over there and they make hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1.00

02:09:15.000 And, you know, it's only like 20 minutes of their time.

02:09:17.000 They just lay there.

02:09:18.000 Some guy shits on them. 0.99

02:09:20.000 Everybody cheers.

02:09:21.000 Oh, there's a group of people watching.

02:09:23.000 A bunch of guys.

02:09:23.000 Your boys are there and you shit on her.

02:09:25.000 An influence her because she probably said something you didn't like.

02:09:28.000 Or you just want to shit on a hot girl's tits. 1.00

02:09:31.000 I mean, that would do nothing for me.

02:09:33.000 And I'm a pervert.

02:09:34.000 I think it's like a humiliation thing.

02:09:36.000 They want to humiliate people and they want to know that they have so much money that they can get you to submit to this willingly.

02:09:43.000 Dude, I've seen the humiliation look every time I fuck someone else. 0.97

02:09:47.000 I know what that look is.

02:09:49.000 It is a fucking weird desire to want to shit on somebody.

02:09:53.000 It is because it's so not sexual.

02:09:55.000 Like it's weirdly punishing or like defunding.

02:09:58.000 And again, being dirty, I'm not saying having the fetish is wrong because I'm pissed on, like, it's whatever.

02:10:03.000 I mean, a lot.

02:10:04.000 I've done a lot.

02:10:05.000 I've tried it.

02:10:06.000 And I don't even know what I liked about it.

02:10:07.000 I don't know what I liked about it.

02:10:08.000 Was it because it's naughty?

02:10:11.000 It was intimate and naughty.

02:10:13.000 It was private, intimate, and naughty.

02:10:16.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 And I think, well, that's you're getting pissed on.

02:10:19.000 Whereas, like, if you're having someone lay there while you shit on them, that is like just an ultimate expression of the power of money.

02:10:29.000 I suppose it is.

02:10:30.000 I just don't understand the desire.

02:10:33.000 There's so many things I would love to do if people would let me do them for money, but not shit on them.

02:10:38.000 That would just be so, like, my shits are horrendous.

02:10:40.000 Like, I'd be embarrassed.

02:10:42.000 And I know, and you want to make sure you could shit at the proper time because you can't really time your shits.

02:10:47.000 No, but again, if you have enough money to bring her over and shit on her, you have enough money to keep her on hold. 1.00

02:10:51.000 She's not having time busy.

02:10:52.000 I'm drinking coffee.

02:10:54.000 I'm having a cold, bro.

02:10:55.000 I'm smoking cigarettes, drinking coffee, brewing up a good one for you.

02:10:59.000 I have not heard that.

02:11:00.000 I know that people get sent over there and they fuck.

02:11:02.000 I actually want to go to Dubai.

02:11:04.000 Like, it's one of the few places.

02:11:05.000 Beautiful.

02:11:06.000 Have you been to the Burge?

02:11:07.000 No, I haven't been to that, but I've been to Dubai.

02:11:10.000 I was in Dubai once because they had the weigh-ins there for the UFC.

02:11:13.000 And it's like everywhere you look.

02:11:14.000 It's like Rolls-Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini.

02:11:17.000 The amount of money there was preposterous.

02:11:19.000 And this was quite a long time ago.

02:11:21.000 This was like 2007, I believe.

02:11:24.000 That's probably before the Burge was built.

02:11:26.000 Was the Bridge that did that?

02:11:27.000 I don't think it was there.

02:11:28.000 No, I don't think it was there.

02:11:29.000 So what I had seen is just what was there then.

02:11:32.000 And just the obscene amount of wealth.

02:11:36.000 I mean, it's really shocking.

02:11:38.000 Yeah.

02:11:39.000 I want to go just to go up, because I'm afraid of heights.

02:11:41.000 So I want to go into that observation deck on top.

02:11:46.000 How many floors is it?

02:11:47.000 I want to say it's like 120 or something.

02:11:50.000 It's crazy.

02:11:51.000 It's 3,000 feet.

02:11:54.000 The tower.

02:11:54.000 I think it's the tallest structure in the world.

02:11:56.000 And there's a few people who have sat in that.

02:11:59.000 You ever see that picture of Tom Cruise who is batshit crazy?

02:12:03.000 Like, he actually jumped out the window of that thing for real.

02:12:05.000 Do you ever see footage of him training for that Mission Impossible?

02:12:08.000 He jumped out the window.

02:12:09.000 He jumped out the window, strapped in.

02:12:11.000 And I've seen footage of him, like taken by people on the observation deck, of Tom Cruise hanging out on the outside of the Burge Tower.

02:12:19.000 And there's a picture of him sitting on the very, very top.

02:12:22.000 It's 3,000 feet.

02:12:23.000 And his feet are just hanging off.

02:12:24.000 And a helicopter is circling.

02:12:27.000 He was the first guy to do it.

02:12:27.000 He's probably harnessed or anything?

02:12:29.000 He's probably harnessed on his back somehow.

02:12:32.000 What is this for a Mission Impossible?

02:12:33.000 One of the Mission Impossibles, but yeah, that's.

02:12:35.000 But he actually's in space.

02:12:35.000 Oh, my God.

02:12:38.000 Oh, my God.

02:12:39.000 Look how tall that is.

02:12:40.000 He's running.

02:12:41.000 It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

02:12:42.000 He's a fucking maniac.

02:12:44.000 He is.

02:12:44.000 The fact that he's still doing these stunts and he's 62 years old.

02:12:47.000 Do you see what he did at the last Mission Impossible?

02:12:49.000 He jumped in a flaming parachute, ripped the parachute off, and then opened up the second parachute.

02:12:56.000 And, you know, I mean, there's no backup parachute for the second parachute.

02:13:01.000 He's doing this for a movie.

02:13:04.000 I've never met Tom Cruise.

02:13:05.000 If I ever met him, all I want to ask him is, how do you get insurance companies to agree to let you do this?

02:13:11.000 Like, I can't imagine him.

02:13:13.000 He was running down the face of the town.

02:13:16.000 And some of it was shot in CJI, but that's legit.

02:13:18.000 Like, that was real.

02:13:19.000 Yeah, here it is.

02:13:20.000 Look at this.

02:13:20.000 So he jumps out in a flaming parachute.

02:13:25.000 And this is all planned out.

02:13:27.000 I mean, they douse the parachute with gasoline.

02:13:31.000 Jumps.

02:13:31.000 They light it on fire.

02:13:33.000 Look at that.

02:13:34.000 He did it 16 times.

02:13:36.000 16 times.

02:13:38.000 Oh, my God.

02:13:39.000 So he has to cut it loose, and then he has to open up his secondary parachute.

02:13:45.000 You wonder, is there a kill switch that if, like, if you push a clamp and you can't get the clamp on it.

02:13:49.000 No, he's fucked.

02:13:50.000 Like, if he can't cut loose, he's fucked.

02:13:53.000 And if his second parachute doesn't work, he's double fucked.

02:13:57.000 Yeah, I heard him say sort of, like, he figures out something crazy he hasn't done and then just goes through all the processes of like, how do you learn how to do this?

02:14:04.000 Yeah, he learned how to fly helicopters for one of the stunts.

02:14:06.000 So like one of the stunts where they're bombing through the canyons.

02:14:10.000 Yeah.

02:14:10.000 He was actually flying the helicopter.

02:14:12.000 He wanted to make it really obvious that it was him flying that helicopter.

02:14:16.000 And the side of the plane.

02:14:16.000 I've seen him talk about being on the side of the plane that took off when he was hanging off the plane.

02:14:22.000 But you wonder like what is it in you that like what kind of a rush when you're not working?

02:14:27.000 What do you do to think of like fucking Cowboy Serrani will fly a plane and then cut the engine and fall because he's fucking crazy and he's dopamine.

02:14:34.000 What do you do to match this in your real life?

02:14:37.000 This is the new one, the new plane thing.

02:14:38.000 He's done a couple of different plane ones.

02:14:41.000 This is just one of them.

02:14:43.000 Oh, you see the string there, yeah.

02:14:44.000 Yeah, but they edited all that in the movie, right?

02:14:47.000 But what if the string breaks?

02:14:48.000 Yeah, what if the string breaks?

02:14:49.000 That's right.

02:14:50.000 You can only have so much faith, right?

02:14:52.000 Also, what if he gets hit by a bird right here and gets KO'd?

02:14:54.000 Ah, or falls back and bangs his head on the side of that.

02:14:57.000 This is a thing that's only for these Mission Impossible movies.

02:14:59.000 But by the way, he's been doing these Mission Impossible movies forever.

02:15:03.000 Yes.

02:15:04.000 I was listening to an EPMD song the other day, and in the thing, it's like Mission Impossible, not Tom Cruise.

02:15:10.000 They were joking around about Tom Cruise being in Mission Impossible in an EPMD song from like, what year was that?

02:15:18.000 Oh, EPM.

02:15:19.000 You know what I was saying?

02:15:20.000 EPMD The Rappers.

02:15:21.000 97. 97. Do I not know that?

02:15:23.000 That was his first Mission Impossible movie?

02:15:26.000 I mean, that's when the lyric came out.

02:15:27.000 That's the song's called The Joint.

02:15:28.000 That's where it's in, I guess.

02:15:30.000 What year was the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie?

02:15:34.000 Maybe even 96, 95, if they were writing about it.

02:15:36.000 Wow.

02:15:38.000 That's wild.

02:15:39.000 That is wild.

02:15:41.000 So he's been basically doing Mission Impossible for 30 years.

02:15:44.000 He's 62 now.

02:15:46.000 Yeah.

02:15:46.000 Crazy.

02:15:47.000 But he doesn't do that in the other movies he does.

02:15:50.000 Well, some of them.

02:15:50.000 Does he?

02:15:51.000 Does he do crazy stunts in all of his movies?

02:15:53.000 What about the one, the Live, Die, Repeat?

02:15:55.000 That's oh, yeah.

02:15:56.000 Was he doing stunts in those?

02:15:58.000 I mean, I don't know exactly how many of them he did, but he did the Jack Reacher too.

02:16:02.000 That was the thing I was trying to think of, too, yeah.

02:16:04.000 And he also broke his ankle.

02:16:05.000 He was jumping from one building to another.

02:16:07.000 It's destroyed his ankle.

02:16:09.000 He destroyed, but he actually fucking limped and tried to finish the shot.

02:16:12.000 He finished the shot.

02:16:13.000 Yeah.

02:16:13.000 It's insane.

02:16:14.000 You see his ankle collapse when he hits the wall.

02:16:16.000 Yeah, he's a fucking nut, man.

02:16:18.000 Like a real nut.

02:16:19.000 It's like when you look, but you ever watch old Buster Keaton footage?

02:16:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:22.000 The crazy shit that he would do, the train or the building.

02:16:25.000 How many Mission Impossible movies are there?

02:16:27.000 I think there's 11. Is there 11?

02:16:30.000 No.

02:16:31.000 I thought there was like seven or eight.

02:16:32.000 There were seven, yeah.

02:16:33.000 Seven?

02:16:33.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 So, and it all started in 96?

02:16:36.000 Is that what you said?

02:16:39.000 Jesus Christ, that guy's been in some fucking banger movies. 0.95

02:16:42.000 Scientology works for some people.

02:16:44.000 It's interesting that he wants to do all of his own stuff.

02:16:48.000 The firm I just rewatched.

02:16:49.000 It's funny.

02:16:49.000 I hated the music in the firm so much it took me out of it.

02:16:52.000 But that's a pretty, that's a great film.

02:16:54.000 Gene Hackman was great in that.

02:16:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:56.000 Yeah.

02:16:56.000 What a shame he died, man.

02:16:58.000 He's one guy I never met that I wanted to meet, Gene Hackman.

02:17:00.000 Yeah, I would have liked to have met him, too.

02:17:02.000 He died bad, though.

02:17:03.000 Woof.

02:17:03.000 He did.

02:17:04.000 But he died kind of the way you want to die, just alone and home.

02:17:07.000 His wife died first, they'd think?

02:17:10.000 Yes.

02:17:11.000 He had dementia, I think.

02:17:12.000 Yeah.

02:17:12.000 So I don't even know if he knew she was dead.

02:17:14.000 They said he might have just been wandering.

02:17:15.000 Maybe he just wandered around hungry.

02:17:18.000 Oh, boy.

02:17:19.000 I know.

02:17:19.000 Doesn't matter who you are.

02:17:20.000 Oof.

02:17:21.000 Yeah.

02:17:22.000 When your body stops working, it doesn't matter how many fucking people love you.

02:17:26.000 It's over.

02:17:27.000 Brando was like that.

02:17:28.000 Like, I love because he was just so difficult.

02:17:31.000 Like, you got to love a guy who's so good at something that people tolerated.

02:17:35.000 He was such a nut.

02:17:35.000 He bought an island and moved there.

02:17:38.000 He would never acknowledge being a good actor.

02:17:40.000 Like, I was an interview with Connie Chong, and she's like, you're a great actor.

02:17:43.000 And his dog is there.

02:17:44.000 He goes, he's a better actor.

02:17:45.000 He acts like he loves me because he wants food.

02:17:48.000 What a great fucking actor.

02:17:50.000 What a great.

02:17:52.000 But he meant it.

02:17:52.000 Like, you knew he wasn't like some fucking douchey poser.

02:17:55.000 Like, he was really this guy.

02:17:57.000 Well, that's why he was so good.

02:17:58.000 But he was also good before anybody was good.

02:18:00.000 He was the first actor that was acting like a real person in movies.

02:18:05.000 Whereas every other actor was like, hey, stay away from my girl.

02:18:09.000 See?

02:18:10.000 I can't watch old stuff.

02:18:11.000 And look, I'll acknowledge I stink.

02:18:13.000 I know I stink.

02:18:14.000 So I can't judge other people's.

02:18:15.000 I'm not going to judge James Cagney or fucking Harper.

02:18:17.000 Cagney's a good example.

02:18:19.000 But you watch them and you're like, they were so victor mature.

02:18:24.000 Tommy, why don't you cut it out, Tommy?

02:18:26.000 Yeah.

02:18:26.000 And then you see Brandon, I can't watch the old stuff.

02:18:29.000 It's just theater acting or something.

02:18:31.000 Right.

02:18:33.000 He was the first guy that figured out how to be real in a film.

02:18:37.000 And James Dean did it as well.

02:18:39.000 And then a bunch of other people.

02:18:40.000 And now, you know, there's a lot of people that do it.

02:18:42.000 But nobody had figured it out.

02:18:44.000 But again, it goes back to that thing where this was a completely new medium, right?

02:18:48.000 Like it didn't really exist before him.

02:18:51.000 You know, he was like one of the very first movie stars that figured out how to do it correctly.

02:18:56.000 But there weren't a lot of, it wasn't a long history of movie stars.

02:19:00.000 It was a fairly new thing.

02:19:02.000 Yes, and I've seen footage of his screen test for Streetcar Named Desire.

02:19:07.000 And like, you know, Stanley walks into the kitchen and he's just talking and he's talking to Stella.

02:19:11.000 It might have been Stella. 0.79

02:19:12.000 And he's just moving and grabbing stuff.

02:19:13.000 And you're watching him and you're like, I would never have the confidence to just touch and behave.

02:19:21.000 Can you find that?

02:19:21.000 Screen test from Streetcar Named Desire?

02:19:24.000 Is that it right there?

02:19:25.000 Hey, let's listen.

02:19:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:27.000 Headphones catching.

02:19:28.000 Yes.

02:19:29.000 Would you do that for me please?

02:19:32.000 Got it, that's good.

02:19:36.000 Action.

02:19:40.000 Would you do that for me please?

02:19:42.000 And this is even different than what I was thinking.

02:19:43.000 The one I'm thinking was in the kitchen.

02:19:48.000 Maybe it's part of the same one.

02:19:50.000 Here he's just putting a cigarette out in a fucking bottle.

02:19:52.000 No, hold on.

02:19:53.000 Go back to that.

02:19:54.000 action!

02:20:03.000 What the?

02:20:03.000 The plaster crack!

02:20:03.000 All right you hands, cut out the cat in there!

02:20:03.000 You can't hear us!

02:20:03.000 You can hear me.

02:20:04.000 I told you to hush up.

02:20:06.000 I'll print it, that's all.

02:20:11.000 One...

02:20:13.000 So this is actually real footage, though.

02:20:14.000 Yeah, and this is different than the one, but it's interesting to see.

02:20:17.000 These are outtakes.

02:20:18.000 Action.

02:20:19.000 Hey, sir!

02:20:41.000 You can hear the camera.

02:20:42.000 Yeah.

02:20:46.000 But even the way she's looking at him looks old school compared to what he's doing.

02:20:50.000 she's looking at him in a very strange way that doesn't feel like...

02:20:57.000 It feels like she knows she's in a movie.

02:20:59.000 Yeah.

02:21:00.000 He's a good-looking guy back then.

02:21:02.000 Oh, he was a fucking pussy machine. 0.73

02:21:04.000 He fucked them all, too.

02:21:05.000 And then he didn't like the fact that he's good-looking, so he became a blimp.

02:21:09.000 Just ate ice cream.

02:21:10.000 I mean, not love that guy.

02:21:12.000 He got so big during Apocalypse Now that they had a film in the shadows.

02:21:15.000 And he wouldn't acknowledge that because they were trying to make it like Kurtz had gotten fat and was living the life of...

02:21:22.000 Just sat there in the shadows.

02:21:24.000 Yeah.

02:21:24.000 What a fucking nut.

02:21:26.000 But, you know, again, it's just, there wasn't a lot of people like that.

02:21:32.000 How do you not go crazy?

02:21:35.000 He's the only guy, and I can't watch Shakespeare.

02:21:37.000 I mean, I know he was the greatest.

02:21:38.000 I just can't watch him.

02:21:39.000 And I watched him doing, I think he played Mark Anthony or Julius Caesar.

02:21:44.000 And watching him do Shakespeare, you felt like he's really saying these, like, you know what I mean?

02:21:48.000 It always feels so British, you know? 1.00

02:21:50.000 What hoch the window break?

02:21:52.000 It just doesn't feel connected to the person.

02:21:54.000 And I watched him.

02:21:55.000 I'm like, this is like a real guy actually saying this.

02:21:57.000 So he's the only person I've ever been able to watch do Shakespeare.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, there's an art.

02:22:01.000 There's a real art to acting.

02:22:03.000 It's just done badly so often that we hate most actors.

02:22:06.000 Yeah, and it's hard to do.

02:22:07.000 And again, there's very few things I give myself credit for, but I do give myself credit for recognizing my limitations in that area.

02:22:15.000 It's been easy to recognize when people have pointed it out, but I understand it.

02:22:19.000 It's also not an area that you really concentrated on, nor were you drawn to it.

02:22:24.000 So when you're doing it, you're like, how am I doing this?

02:22:26.000 It's like if you get Tom Hanks to do stand-up, when he did Punchline, it was fucking terrible.

02:22:31.000 It was because he wasn't really doing stand-up.

02:22:34.000 He's an actor.

02:22:36.000 But if you wanted to be an actor, if that was your thing, you'd probably be great at it.

02:22:43.000 I think Bradley Cooper just directed a movie at the comedy cellar.

02:22:46.000 Is that him doing Shakespeare?

02:22:48.000 He's 29 years old here.

02:22:49.000 He's 29 years old.

02:22:50.000 He's 29. 53. The noble Brutus hath told you Caesar was ambitious.

02:22:56.000 If it was so, it was a grievous fault.

02:23:00.000 And grievously hath Caesar answered it.

02:23:03.000 Here and the leave of Brutus and the rest, for Brutus is an honorable man.

02:23:08.000 So are they all, all honorable men.

02:23:11.000 Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.

02:23:15.000 He was my friend, faithful and just to me.

02:23:19.000 But Brutus says he was ambitious.

02:23:22.000 And Brutus is an honorable man.

02:23:26.000 He hath brought many captives home to Rome, whose ransoms did the general coppers fill. 1.00

02:23:30.000 Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?

02:23:34.000 When did the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept?

02:23:37.000 Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.

02:23:42.000 Yet Brutus says he was ambitious.

02:23:45.000 And Brutus is an honorable man.

02:23:49.000 You all did see that on the Leupocal, I thrice presented him a kingly crown, which he did thrice refuse.

02:23:56.000 Was this ambition?

02:23:59.000 Yet Brutus says he was ambitious and sure he is an honorable man.

02:24:04.000 I still know what the fuck he's talking about.

02:24:05.000 Yeah, I don't know either, but I believe him.

02:24:07.000 It's powerful.

02:24:08.000 He's locked in.

02:24:08.000 He's locked in, man, and he's really, He understands the words he's saying.

02:24:15.000 He's living the words.

02:24:16.000 It's in his head.

02:24:17.000 He believes it when he's saying it.

02:24:18.000 And that's like the Daniel Day-Lewis thing.

02:24:21.000 When he's playing that crazy guy and there will be blood.

02:24:23.000 Oh.

02:24:24.000 He believes it.

02:24:25.000 I drank your milk.

02:24:28.000 Like, it's real.

02:24:29.000 He's in.

02:24:30.000 He's locked in.

02:24:31.000 Craziest part of that movie is when he's sitting there with the kid and he's petting the boy's head at one point.

02:24:36.000 It's supposed to be his son.

02:24:38.000 And I'm like, as an actor, to touch a kid, like, even though you're acting, he was petting this boy like the way you would pet your son.

02:24:45.000 Like, it was like he's so comfortable and so in this that you really believe this is his son.

02:24:51.000 It was like, well, that was, that stuck out for me, like the level of comfort you need on a set to do that.

02:24:56.000 Because I've been on a set with a kid there.

02:24:57.000 Everybody's like, make sure you don't curse.

02:24:59.000 And this guy didn't give a fuck.

02:25:01.000 He just picks the kid up and starts petting his head.

02:25:02.000 Well, he's got to be that guy.

02:25:04.000 And, you know, he would be, he's a method guy, so he'd be that guy for months.

02:25:08.000 Have you met him?

02:25:08.000 No.

02:25:09.000 No, I haven't either.

02:25:10.000 Gary Oldman, I like a lot, which is not exactly a stretch.

02:25:13.000 Gary Oldman, I think, is one of the most versatile.

02:25:17.000 Have you seen Slow Horses?

02:25:19.000 No.

02:25:19.000 It's an Apple show.

02:25:20.000 It's really good.

02:25:21.000 It's a spy show.

02:25:23.000 He plays a spy.

02:25:24.000 Oldman or Daniel Dillis?

02:25:25.000 Oldman.

02:25:26.000 It's a new show.

02:25:27.000 Oh, no.

02:25:27.000 It's really good.

02:25:28.000 I haven't watched anything on Apple.

02:25:30.000 I tried to watch The Morning Show, but I didn't love it.

02:25:33.000 Did you see Severance?

02:25:34.000 Severance is great.

02:25:36.000 Season one, I loved.

02:25:38.000 Yeah, season two, it got a little weird.

02:25:40.000 It almost got a little weird like the way Lost did, where they were doing things to serve the kind of show that they were.

02:25:46.000 Right.

02:25:46.000 But I didn't, I'm like, what does this mean?

02:25:48.000 Like, this is just crazy and weird, but they're just doing it like to be.

02:25:53.000 Again, I watch it and I probably will watch season three.

02:25:57.000 But season one, I liked more.

02:25:58.000 Yeah, season one was better.

02:25:59.000 I think there's some shows like that where the concept is so out there, it really has like a finite amount of time where you're allowed to like maintain that.

02:26:08.000 Yes.

02:26:09.000 And then it just becomes, we have to get to season.

02:26:12.000 Again, I say lost.

02:26:13.000 Yeah, lost is the best example.

02:26:15.000 Because the first season, it was fucking great.

02:26:16.000 It was.

02:26:17.000 And the backstorytelling, like I look at the writing in that.

02:26:20.000 And again, it was TV.

02:26:21.000 They only had a certain amount of leeway they could do.

02:26:23.000 Their backstory stuff was great.

02:26:25.000 The writing on, you know, John Locke and on Kate and all these people, the way they would tie in their backstories, I thought was brilliant.

02:26:32.000 But then the way they ended, I was like, fuck.

02:26:33.000 You know, everyone complained about it, but I'm like, they missed what they should have.

02:26:36.000 You know, it's a great fucking story?

02:26:38.000 Or a great show, rather?

02:26:39.000 Mobland.

02:26:40.000 Have you seen Mobland on Paramount?

02:26:42.000 Who is somebody, it was either Colin or Bobby was recommending Mobland.

02:26:47.000 It's fucking great.

02:26:48.000 Is it?

02:26:49.000 It's fucking great.

02:26:50.000 It's a Guy Ritchie show.

02:26:52.000 It's fucking great.

02:26:53.000 Who was it?

02:26:53.000 Tom Hardy.

02:26:54.000 Ah.

02:26:55.000 Pierce Bronson plays the old mobster.

02:26:59.000 He's fucking amazing in it.

02:27:01.000 You know, you think of Pierce Brosnan, you think like kind of a campy James Blonde.

02:27:05.000 Not in this fucking.

02:27:06.000 He plays a maniac, like a stone-cold maniac.

02:27:09.000 It's great.

02:27:10.000 Do you see footage of Tom Hardy?

02:27:11.000 I just saw footage of him submitting someone.

02:27:14.000 Oh, yeah, he's good.

02:27:14.000 Black belt, right?

02:27:15.000 No, no, no, he's not a black belt. 0.94

02:27:17.000 I think he might be a purple belt.

02:27:19.000 Is he a purple belt or is he a blue belt?

02:27:21.000 He competes, though.

02:27:22.000 I know.

02:27:22.000 I just saw footage of him.

02:27:23.000 But he's all fucked up now.

02:27:24.000 His neck's fucked up.

02:27:25.000 His knees are fucked up.

02:27:26.000 Purple belt.

02:27:27.000 Purple belt.

02:27:27.000 He's legit, man.

02:27:29.000 He's legit.

02:27:29.000 I've watched him compete.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:31.000 I was like, okay.

02:27:32.000 And like Zuckerberg.

02:27:34.000 Zuckerberg's legit.

02:27:35.000 He's real.

02:27:36.000 He gets in tournaments.

02:27:37.000 He's a very competitive guy.

02:27:39.000 I've seen footage of him.

02:27:39.000 For a guy who's worth $200 billion, it's kind of crazy to enter into a local jiu-jitsu match and, you know, risk getting spiked on your head by a plumber.

02:27:48.000 You know?

02:27:51.000 Some plumber who's also a blue belt fucking suplexes you on your skull. 1.00

02:27:56.000 And he recognizes you and his fucking account just got banned.

02:27:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:28:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:00.000 He's been posting QAnon memes.

02:28:05.000 And then he sees you and he thinks destiny.

02:28:07.000 And by the way, he wore a mask up until the time he's about to compete.

02:28:11.000 So they don't know they're going to compete with Zuckerberg until he's in there with them, which is really a mindful.

02:28:15.000 It's kind of a huge disadvantage to the opponent.

02:28:18.000 Yes.

02:28:18.000 You're like, what?

02:28:19.000 Because especially if you've never been around a famous person before, and now all of a sudden you have to, and you're also an amateur because he's an amateur.

02:28:25.000 Yeah.

02:28:25.000 So you're all like, what?

02:28:26.000 You're probably blown away.

02:28:28.000 Maybe the first time you've ever competed, too, and you're competing against Zuckerberg.

02:28:33.000 But I think he's a blue belt, too, right?

02:28:35.000 I believe so.

02:28:36.000 What belt is Zuckerberg?

02:28:38.000 Zuckerberg brings in legit people, though.

02:28:40.000 Like, he trains with very, very legit people.

02:28:42.000 Folkanovsky, I know, was training with him.

02:28:44.000 I know he's around Alex Pastello.

02:28:45.000 Barbender, Pereira.

02:28:47.000 Yeah, he brings in Dave Camarillo, who's a top-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

02:28:53.000 He brings him him.

02:28:54.000 He's a blue belt, yeah.

02:28:55.000 Yeah, he's legit, man.

02:28:57.000 He blew his knee too.

02:28:58.000 He's Camarillo.

02:28:58.000 Yep.

02:28:58.000 Tore his ACL.

02:29:00.000 He wind up getting patella.

02:29:02.000 I tried to talk him out of the type of surgery that he got.

02:29:04.000 He got the difficult surgery, which is a patella tendon graft.

02:29:08.000 I've had both my ACLs reconstructed, and my left one was a patella tendon graft.

02:29:12.000 My right one was a cadaver, and the cadaver was so much easier to recover from.

02:29:17.000 And I told him, I'm like, dude, get the cadaver, trust me.

02:29:19.000 And his doctor wanted to do the patella tendon.

02:29:21.000 He wound up doing that.

02:29:22.000 It's a long rehab with the patella tendon.

02:29:26.000 But, you know, the fact that he blew his knee apart and still kept training is pretty Impressive as well.

02:29:31.000 Yeah.

02:29:31.000 And I'm in that place too, like where I have inflammatory.

02:29:33.000 I'm just trying to get healthy.

02:29:34.000 Like, I've been seeing some guy.

02:29:36.000 I don't know if I need surgery, but I'm getting MRIs, getting insurance to approve MRIs.

02:29:39.000 It's the fucking nightmare.

02:29:40.000 But I want to get my ankle, my hip, my knee.

02:29:42.000 I'm all fucked up.

02:29:43.000 What's wrong?

02:29:44.000 I've been fucked up for years.

02:29:45.000 I've had like my leg goes numb.

02:29:47.000 My right leg was going numb in my thigh.

02:29:50.000 Did you ever get your back looked at?

02:29:52.000 I did.

02:29:52.000 Again, I'm trying to get approval for the MRI for that, but I twisted my ankle very badly a few times.

02:29:58.000 How long are you in town for?

02:30:00.000 I'm supposed to come tomorrow.

02:30:01.000 Okay.

02:30:01.000 What time tomorrow?

02:30:02.000 When's your flight?

02:30:03.000 First thing.

02:30:03.000 First flight.

02:30:04.000 Oh.

02:30:06.000 I might be able to get you into Ways to Well this afternoon.

02:30:09.000 Ways to Well is the local stem cell clinic.

02:30:11.000 They'll shoot you up with stem cells. 1.00

02:30:13.000 That'll fucking help everything then.

02:30:15.000 Does it help?

02:30:16.000 Oh, tremendously.

02:30:18.000 Tremendously.

02:30:19.000 Where do they shoot us?

02:30:20.000 Tremendously.

02:30:20.000 Right into the injury.

02:30:22.000 Yeah.

02:30:23.000 I got back.

02:30:24.000 I'm a fucking, but I feel better now.

02:30:26.000 I've been doing these stretches like the guy that my physical therapist recommended.

02:30:31.000 And I'm going to someone who gave me some anti-inflammatory pills for a week.

02:30:36.000 And I feel a tremendous difference.

02:30:38.000 Be careful with those.

02:30:39.000 What do they do?

02:30:40.000 Well, it depends on what you're taking.

02:30:41.000 If you're taking a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, they're terrible for your gut, your gut biome.

02:30:46.000 It destroys your gut biome.

02:30:47.000 It could be really bad.

02:30:48.000 It can actually make inflammation. 0.53

02:30:50.000 Like my friend Cam Haynes, he was taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day.

02:30:55.000 And I talked to him about it.

02:30:56.000 I go, what?

02:30:57.000 You're doing what?

02:30:58.000 And then I sent him some stuff that Rhonda Patrick had put out about it.

02:31:01.000 I'm like, dude, get off of that.

02:31:03.000 He got off of it.

02:31:04.000 All of his pain went away.

02:31:06.000 The inflammation was being caused by the fact that he was taking so much ibuprofen.

02:31:11.000 It was ruining his gut biome.

02:31:13.000 So it was creating inflammation.

02:31:14.000 So to combat that inflammation, he was taking ibuprofen.

02:31:18.000 And he thought the only way he was going to be able to run the miles that he was running was to constantly chew on ibuprofen.

02:31:22.000 So he got off of it entirely.

02:31:24.000 All the pain went away.

02:31:25.000 Totally counterintuitive.

02:31:26.000 Yeah.

02:31:27.000 I've only been on these.

02:31:28.000 He said one week is all.

02:31:29.000 He goes, I only want you to take one week.

02:31:30.000 What was it?

02:31:31.000 I don't remember, but he goes, I just want to see if it, he's trying to see like how severe the injuries.

02:31:35.000 I want to see if this does help at all.

02:31:37.000 But he goes, take them for, he gave them to me for a month because don't take them for more than a week.

02:31:40.000 So I like the fact that he's showing restraint.

02:31:43.000 Well, the thing is, doctors have a limited amount of tools.

02:31:46.000 If you want to prescribe medication to somebody, you know, whatever the, you know, whatever the common practice is is what that doctor has to adhere to.

02:31:58.000 They can't step out of line.

02:32:00.000 And the reality is, a lot of that stuff has side effects.

02:32:04.000 But there's natural ways that you could deal with inflammation, like curcumin, turmeric.

02:32:08.000 There's a lot of different, you know, that stuff.

02:32:10.000 That helps a lot.

02:32:12.000 That's legit, and it's not bad for you.

02:32:14.000 But a lot of inflammation comes from diet.

02:32:18.000 A lot of it.

02:32:18.000 A big factor.

02:32:19.000 Like, I remember I talked to this lady who was a physical therapist, and I had a neck issue.

02:32:24.000 And she was like, you'd kind of be amazed if you cut out all the inflammatory foods of your diet, how much it would affect it.

02:32:30.000 I'm like, really?

02:32:31.000 She's like, yeah, I mean, you probably do have a neck injury, but I guarantee it's exacerbated by the foods you're eating.

02:32:36.000 She's like, cut out bread, cut out sugar, and see if it has an effect. 1.00

02:32:40.000 You know, I've tried to, because I fattened up and I know it.

02:32:43.000 Like, I put weight on.

02:32:44.000 And again, for me, it was a dopamine thing.

02:32:46.000 I'm not doing the things I used to do.

02:32:48.000 Right.

02:32:48.000 So you need something to do that's just like, give me a sandwich.

02:32:51.000 Something.

02:32:52.000 No, am I going to do it on the road?

02:32:53.000 Oh, that's a pretzel.

02:32:55.000 Right.

02:32:55.000 That's my bane of my existence, a fucking pretzel.

02:32:57.000 Like, it really is.

02:32:58.000 It's not like I'm eating pizza.

02:32:58.000 I'm not eating cake.

02:33:00.000 All that shit is terrible.

02:33:02.000 Sourdough pretzels.

02:33:04.000 All that shit.

02:33:04.000 So our bread is fucked.

02:33:07.000 And our bread is so fucked.

02:33:08.000 If you go and, I'm sure you've been overseas, you go eat bread in Italy, you don't feel bad at all.

02:33:13.000 No, you're not.

02:33:14.000 It's not as bad.

02:33:15.000 We're fucking poison.

02:33:16.000 I'll play this thing because Brian Simpson sent me this and it's very good.

02:33:20.000 Hold on.

02:33:21.000 Let me see.

02:33:22.000 Here we go.

02:33:22.000 Let me see.

02:33:23.000 I'll show you right here.

02:33:24.000 But it's all about bread.

02:33:25.000 Brian Simpson sent me this, and he's like, I think I'm done with bread.

02:33:28.000 And I was like, oh, my God.

02:33:30.000 Like, this is kind of crazy.

02:33:33.000 Do I need my glasses?

02:33:34.000 No, no, no.

02:33:35.000 I'll put it up on the screen.

02:33:36.000 I'm going to find it, though, because he sent it to me.

02:33:38.000 Here it is.

02:33:38.000 Copy.

02:33:40.000 Send it to Jamie.

02:33:48.000 Here it is.

02:33:51.000 It won't matter if it's World War III, but if it's not World War III, I'll probably stay away from bread.

02:33:56.000 American bread.

02:33:57.000 You mean eat sourdough bread?

02:33:58.000 Sourdough bread is fucking great for you, but play this from the beginning so we could this guy's gonna explain what's wrong with American bread.

02:34:06.000 Explain to me why I can eat bread in Spain and in Greece, Italy.

02:34:13.000 No problem.

02:34:15.000 Why?

02:34:15.000 I was gluten-gluten-free in 15 years.

02:34:17.000 I've been gluten-free in Canada, America.

02:34:24.000 Can't eat it.

02:34:25.000 That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.

02:34:30.000 See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain.

02:34:33.000 About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

02:34:40.000 Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize.

02:34:45.000 Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation.

02:34:50.000 But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China.

02:34:59.000 Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

02:35:06.000 So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

02:35:10.000 The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake, vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate.

02:35:16.000 This isn't bread.

02:35:17.000 This is.

02:35:18.000 Who is that dude?

02:35:19.000 What's his name?

02:35:20.000 Danny Durer?

02:35:23.000 Click on his, so we could give that guy some props.

02:35:26.000 Dennis Eccleberger.

02:35:28.000 Eccleburger.

02:35:29.000 Echelburger.

02:35:31.000 Denny D-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Twitter and Instagram.

02:35:37.000 Do you know, I will never, as I'm watching him do that, I will never be able to do anything into camera as well as he just described how shitty bread is.

02:35:46.000 Like, I was watching him doing, like, he's getting all the words proper, and he's giving the information.

02:35:50.000 He's not blinking.

02:35:51.000 He's not Twitch.

02:35:52.000 He's not annoying.

02:35:53.000 He's not annoying you.

02:35:54.000 He's just giving it to you.

02:35:55.000 Perfect delivery.

02:35:57.000 But that should be something that everybody should see.

02:35:59.000 I know that When I cut that stuff out of my diet, it makes a giant difference.

02:36:03.000 Also, I should say, Joe DeRosa, who has this amazing sub shop in New York, and he's going to open up one out here in Austin.

02:36:10.000 Oh, nice.

02:36:11.000 Joey Roses, fantastic sub shop.

02:36:13.000 Their wheat is all flown from Italy.

02:36:17.000 It's all like natural wheat.

02:36:19.000 Yeah.

02:36:20.000 And so their bread doesn't fuck with you.

02:36:22.000 And they make it fresh every day and they throw it out at the end of the day.

02:36:26.000 You never have day-old bread.

02:36:28.000 It's always fresh and they bake it there.

02:36:30.000 So it's like when he's getting bread for his sandwiches, it's the kind of bread that you get in Europe.

02:36:35.000 Do you know, I have to think you're right because there was one time we had DeRos on the show.

02:36:39.000 It was in the morning show and he didn't bring us any sandwiches.

02:36:42.000 I'm like, where's the fucking sandwiches, Joe?

02:36:44.000 How about a sandwich?

02:36:45.000 He couldn't.

02:36:46.000 That's what he said.

02:36:47.000 And I was like, fuck him.

02:36:48.000 Because then he did chip and he brought in sandwiches, but we taped in the afternoon.

02:36:51.000 And I'm like, he was telling the truth.

02:36:52.000 DeRos was telling the truth about his bread.

02:36:55.000 Yeah, when they had a pop-up out here at South by Southwest, and he brought over sandwiches.

02:37:00.000 They were fantastic.

02:37:01.000 They are fantastic.

02:37:01.000 They're very good.

02:37:02.000 Unbelievably good.

02:37:03.000 That is my number one, if I have a vice, it is Italian food.

02:37:08.000 My big vice is Italian sandwiches, Italian subs, pasta, lasagna.

02:37:15.000 That stuff gets me.

02:37:16.000 I fucking love it.

02:37:17.000 But you have to get it from a place that's using like heirloom wheat.

02:37:22.000 And you can find places.

02:37:23.000 There's a lot of great restaurants in New York.

02:37:25.000 There's great restaurants in LA that use heirloom wheat.

02:37:28.000 And you'll eat their pasta and you don't feel bad.

02:37:30.000 Most of the bread that you're getting in America is like what that guy described.

02:37:35.000 And that's why you feel like shit when you eat it.

02:37:36.000 Yeah, I feel like shit most of the time when I'm, especially like just always tired.

02:37:41.000 I finally got, whatever, it's the apne.

02:37:43.000 It's a fucking, you know, an old man complaining. 1.00

02:37:45.000 I just, I just, I can't breathe when I sleep.

02:37:47.000 It sucks.

02:37:48.000 Have you tried a carnivore diet?

02:37:50.000 You ever tried that?

02:37:51.000 No, and again, I know that my fear of eating too much meat is probably unfounded.

02:37:58.000 But I've, no, I've done whole 30, which actually I shit.

02:38:01.000 What's your fear?

02:38:02.000 What's the fear?

02:38:02.000 Just that it, like, because no, does cancer feed on meat?

02:38:06.000 No.

02:38:07.000 Like, like, that's what I was always afraid of.

02:38:08.000 No, cancer feeds on sugar. 0.99

02:38:10.000 Okay.

02:38:10.000 Yeah.

02:38:11.000 That's the really, the number one thing that cancer oncologists will tell you when they, if they're trying to adjust your diet, some don't, and it's very infuriating.

02:38:20.000 I've had family members that have cancer and their doctor tells them, you're going to go through chemotherapy, eat whatever you want.

02:38:25.000 I'm like, oh my God, don't eat whatever you want.

02:38:27.000 Like part of what is wrong with you is your diet.

02:38:31.000 It's a giant part of your overall metabolic health.

02:38:34.000 But a lot of oncologists now will try to get people on a ketogenic diet because it gets your body to burn fat instead of burning sugar and then it starves the cancer.

02:38:44.000 They're also, they'll try to get you to do some fasting, like intermittent fasting, like have a window of feeding where you fast for 16 hours and then eat for eight or you can only eat during eight.

02:38:59.000 The keto diet, I never did it, but this is what a delusional idiot I am.

02:39:03.000 When I was in Montreal during the pandemic, I joined Costco and I would go and eat keto chocolates and I somehow convinced myself that I was like, oh, it's keto.

02:39:11.000 But I wasn't doing the rest of the fucking diet.

02:39:13.000 But they have some actually good shit you can eat if you're on the keto diet.

02:39:16.000 I guess you're doing it right.

02:39:18.000 But I would go there and buy all these delicious like keto chocolate clusters.

02:39:21.000 So yeah, that one, I heard it gives you bad breath keto.

02:39:24.000 That was what I've heard.

02:39:25.000 Again, I just, I don't remember where I heard it, but they were like, there's something about ketosis fucks your breath up.

02:39:31.000 I bet it does.

02:39:31.000 Yeah, I bet it does.

02:39:33.000 But just brush your fucking teeth and have a mint.

02:39:36.000 Well, is it coming from the gut, though?

02:39:37.000 Yeah, it probably is.

02:39:38.000 It's probably ketones.

02:39:39.000 Ketones smell terrible.

02:39:41.000 Have you ever taken exogenous ketones?

02:39:43.000 I've never even, I've heard of ketones.

02:39:45.000 What's an exogenous ketone?

02:39:46.000 You can take exogenous ketones.

02:39:48.000 It's ketones that you drink and it puts your body into an instant state of ketosis where your body instantly starts to burn fat.

02:39:54.000 And actually is really good mentally.

02:39:57.000 I take exogenous ketones sometimes when I have to perform or I have to do something.

02:40:01.000 I've taken them before UFCs too.

02:40:03.000 UFCs are like the big mind fuck for me because it's six hours of thinking.

02:40:08.000 Yes.

02:40:08.000 And I have to think about previous fights.

02:40:11.000 I have to like predict techniques.

02:40:13.000 I have to see what's going on.

02:40:15.000 And then when it goes to the ground, it's kind of like my job is to explain particular submissions when it goes to the ground, especially in the early days before I did it with DC because I was the only, like when it was me and Goldberg, Goldberg's not really a martial artist.

02:40:28.000 So it was just me.

02:40:30.000 So I would have to go explain why someone's in trouble and what's going to happen to someone who doesn't understand like a triangle or something like that when someone goes to the ground.

02:40:40.000 And you need brain fuel.

02:40:42.000 And so ketones help a lot.

02:40:44.000 Another thing is like I eat these gum.

02:40:46.000 These are gummies now, alpha brain gummies.

02:40:48.000 But I always take some type of nootropic neurogum or neurogum has mints too.

02:40:55.000 I'll take these mints.

02:40:56.000 Like if you see me at the UFC, I'll have those.

02:40:58.000 I take these little nicotine pouches.

02:41:02.000 What are they called for the anything?

02:41:03.000 Pins?

02:41:04.000 What are they called?

02:41:06.000 There's a word for those, little nicotine.

02:41:08.000 I don't know.

02:41:08.000 Pouches.

02:41:09.000 Zin, that's what I'm thinking of. 1.00

02:41:10.000 Yeah, these are different.

02:41:11.000 These are from a company called Lucy.

02:41:13.000 These are called Breakers. 1.00

02:41:15.000 Do those have THC in them?

02:41:16.000 No.

02:41:16.000 No, no, no.

02:41:17.000 It's just nicotine.

02:41:18.000 This is all just nicotine.

02:41:18.000 Not mean those.

02:41:20.000 No, no, the gummies are just nootropics.

02:41:22.000 Nootropics are like theanine. 0.94

02:41:26.000 There's like a little bit of caffeine in these.

02:41:28.000 And one of the things we did with Onit, we made this thing called AlphaBrain, which was, there's a bunch of different nootropics out there and a bunch of like acetylcholine, a bunch of different things that have shown to have an effect on your memory.

02:41:47.000 And so we put together a group of these that would all work synergistically.

02:41:52.000 And then we did two double-blind placebo-controlled trials at Boston Center for Memory.

02:41:58.000 And it showed efficacy.

02:42:00.000 It showed that it helped increase verbal memory, which is like your ability to form sentences and recall the correct words to use, reaction time, alpha state.

02:42:10.000 So it's like, it does work.

02:42:12.000 And it's not just on it because I'm connected to it.

02:42:14.000 Like, I have no connection at all to NeuroGum or Neuromints, but it works, and I tell people about it.

02:42:20.000 There's another company called TrueBrain that's really good.

02:42:23.000 There's another company called Neuro One.

02:42:25.000 That was the first one that I ever tried.

02:42:28.000 That's Bill Romanowski, the football player.

02:42:30.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:30.000 He developed that because he was having memory problems after getting fucking hit in the head for all those years playing football.

02:42:36.000 Didn't, as far as I've ever gone, what was that pill you were taking?

02:42:38.000 It's not echinacea.

02:42:40.000 There was one pill you were taking that was supposed to be good for memory.

02:42:42.000 It was like one of those things you get on the fucking shelf in the vitamin store.

02:42:46.000 And I don't remember what it was, but I used to take that, but I didn't see any I was taking it or not.

02:42:51.000 No, me.

02:42:52.000 The collective view.

02:42:52.000 Yeah, which people would take.

02:42:54.000 I don't know, but there's a bunch of those things.

02:42:56.000 They're real.

02:42:56.000 Like nootropics, it's a real thing.

02:42:59.000 And a lot of people call it snake oil, and I understand.

02:43:01.000 I understand that you'd be very suspicious.

02:43:04.000 But there's the reality, and this is one of the reasons why, you know, like I have a connection, obviously, to Onit.

02:43:09.000 We found the company together, but I don't have any connection to NeuroBrain or Neuro One.

02:43:14.000 Take them.

02:43:14.000 They work.

02:43:15.000 There's real, legitimate solutions that help your brain function, and they don't seem to carry any side effects.

02:43:21.000 Some people, if they take high doses of some of them, get headaches.

02:43:27.000 I think that's probably just like some people react very badly to caffeine.

02:43:32.000 You know, it's like everybody has their own different biological stuff, but try it.

02:43:36.000 And the gum is a great one.

02:43:38.000 Neuro gum is great because it's a delicious gum.

02:43:41.000 It tastes good and it really works, man.

02:43:43.000 I take it all the time.

02:43:44.000 It helps your brain a little bit.

02:43:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:45.000 I take it before I go on stage.

02:43:46.000 I chew neuro gum before I go on stage.

02:43:48.000 It's very legit.

02:43:49.000 Do you know what I wanted to take?

02:43:51.000 Somebody's got a big bag of it right there.

02:43:52.000 And again, we're not connected to them.

02:43:56.000 This is just stuff that works.

02:43:57.000 I wanted to take, because flying became such a, again, a fear for me again.

02:44:02.000 In this phase of my life, I don't fucking need that.

02:44:04.000 So I talked to Whitney and she talked about beta blockers.

02:44:07.000 I didn't take them.

02:44:08.000 But I got, like, do they help at all to like, but I have a low heartbeat anyway, so I don't know if it's going to fuck me up to take a beta blocker.

02:44:15.000 But beta blockers stop you from getting anxious.

02:44:18.000 They stop adrenaline.

02:44:20.000 A lot of people, they get busted using them and like archery competitions allow.

02:44:24.000 They ban them.

02:44:26.000 Sure.

02:44:26.000 Because, you know, like you're in the Olympics and you're just trying to hit that bullseye every time.

02:44:30.000 Like any kind of nerves or jitter is going to fuck with you.

02:44:34.000 But, you know, the problem is it's going to be something that you get addicted to or you maybe not even physically addicted, but you, you know, you become dependent upon.

02:44:45.000 That's what I don't want.

02:44:46.000 And I think I've asked, they said they weren't, but for flying, it's something I literally have to fight to do.

02:44:51.000 Yeah.

02:44:51.000 Yeah, I'm getting a little bit better, but I have to anxiety.

02:44:54.000 Dude, I'm a grown-up.

02:44:56.000 I have to sit by the window and look at the wing.

02:44:58.000 I'm really hateable on a plane.

02:45:00.000 Fucking six in the morning, everybody's trying to sleep, and I get my fucking fat face pressed up against the window, staring like I'm eight.

02:45:08.000 So I'm trying to get out of it.

02:45:10.000 Well, there are things.

02:45:11.000 You know what's another thing that's really good for your cognitive function that a lot of people aren't aware of is creatine.

02:45:17.000 And creatine is really good, particularly if you are sleep deprived.

02:45:22.000 Like there was a study that they did that showed that if you take, I think it's 20 milligrams of creatine, it has a really positive effect on your ability to maintain normal cognitive function while you're sleep deprived.

02:45:37.000 Really?

02:45:37.000 Yeah.

02:45:37.000 It's also very good for women.

02:45:39.000 Creatine is especially good supplement for women to take for some strange reason.

02:45:45.000 But it's, you know, it's a muscle-building supplement.

02:45:48.000 It's like really good for helping you gain muscle mass and strength if you were weight training.

02:45:55.000 That was what it was initially used for.

02:45:57.000 But now they're realizing there's a lot of cognitive benefits.

02:45:59.000 Creatine as well.

02:46:00.000 Yeah, I don't take any of that stuff.

02:46:02.000 And I probably should at this point.

02:46:02.000 I take creatine every day.

02:46:04.000 I take nothing other than just the little thing from my heart.

02:46:08.000 You don't take vitamins?

02:46:09.000 No.

02:46:09.000 Oh, God.

02:46:10.000 I know.

02:46:10.000 I probably should.

02:46:11.000 I take everything.

02:46:12.000 I take B. I do take B, and I take one other one.

02:46:15.000 You should take D for sure.

02:46:16.000 You live in New York City.

02:46:18.000 You know, you're probably not getting enough sun.

02:46:20.000 No, definitely.

02:46:20.000 Yeah, D is huge because D is a hormone.

02:46:23.000 D is actually a hormone.

02:46:25.000 And it's a hormone that your body produces when you get into the sun.

02:46:29.000 The best way to get vitamin D for sure is to be in the sun.

02:46:32.000 But if you're not in the sun enough, one of my friends who's a doctor was in New York City when he was doing his residency, and he said they would do tests on people in New York City, and they found that they had undetectable levels of vitamin D in the winter.

02:46:47.000 And he was like, you know, this has a huge effect on your immune system.

02:46:51.000 This is the reason why people get, like, everyone's, oh, it's flu season.

02:46:54.000 No, it's lack of vitamin D season.

02:46:57.000 That's what it is.

02:46:58.000 The flu doesn't thrive in the winter.

02:47:00.000 The flu exists in the winter because people have a low immune system in the winter, and then they start catching it and giving it to other people.

02:47:05.000 But it's really a function of your immune system not working properly.

02:47:09.000 So you need D, and you should take D with K2, vitamin K2, and magnesium.

02:47:16.000 They all work synergistically together.

02:47:18.000 I'll remember, like, Hart, I will text you and ask you the same question.

02:47:21.000 Like, what are those things?

02:47:22.000 Text me.

02:47:23.000 I'll tell you.

02:47:24.000 But you should take that, but you should also take B. You should take B12.

02:47:28.000 You should take C. C is huge.

02:47:31.000 You can't take enough of it, or you can't take too much of it.

02:47:34.000 C is great.

02:47:34.000 I could take liposomal C. It's really good for you.

02:47:38.000 Yeah, because you get older, man, you start thinking like, these things are starting to affect me now a little bit.

02:47:43.000 Not terrible.

02:47:44.000 I'm still in pretty good health, but you start to panic and start to think.

02:47:47.000 How old are you now?

02:47:48.000 56. I'm 57. I'm almost 58. And my body works great.

02:47:53.000 And it's really because of that.

02:47:55.000 It's just a huge effect.

02:47:57.000 I don't skip days.

02:47:58.000 And when I do, I feel it, you know, but I try not to.

02:48:01.000 And I have a whole cabinet filled with supplements that I take.

02:48:04.000 I take a lot of vitamins.

02:48:05.000 My buddy's never worked great, though.

02:48:07.000 So it's not like I don't see any real drop-off.

02:48:09.000 Well, that's the problem.

02:48:11.000 If you're working out and you're doing all these different things and you want your body to function better, just force yourself to do it.

02:48:17.000 Get your wife to make you little packets. 1.00

02:48:19.000 It's real simple.

02:48:20.000 Just lay all the stuff.

02:48:22.000 I need two of these, three of these, one of those.

02:48:26.000 Put it all in a package.

02:48:27.000 This is methyl folate.

02:48:28.000 Put that in there.

02:48:30.000 And all that stuff has a giant effect on your health.

02:48:35.000 You want your body to function optimally.

02:48:38.000 And what I noticed the difference is when I eat poorly, when I don't get enough sleep, and when I don't take supplements, I get that.

02:48:44.000 I quit drinking like three months ago, a little more than three months ago.

02:48:48.000 Like nothing?

02:48:49.000 You're not drinking at all?

02:48:49.000 I haven't drank anything in three months.

02:48:51.000 I feel great.

02:48:51.000 Was it hard?

02:48:52.000 No.

02:48:52.000 It was super easy.

02:48:54.000 It was really easy.

02:48:54.000 You were ready?

02:48:55.000 Yeah, it was like, I just, there was too many days where it's kind of hard when you own a club and you're there a lot and, you know, you're having drinks with friends and like, You want a drink?

02:49:05.000 Yeah, I'll have a drink.

02:49:06.000 And then the next day, I'd be at the gym.

02:49:07.000 I'd be like, oh, I feel like shit.

02:49:10.000 I'd be drinking all this water and taking all these electrolytes and getting a sauna on the cold plunge, just trying to get back to normal.

02:49:16.000 Yes.

02:49:16.000 I'm like, why am I doing that?

02:49:18.000 Well, in the three months of no drinking, I have not had one bad day.

02:49:23.000 I have not had one day where I felt like shit.

02:49:25.000 And it just confirmed what I thought.

02:49:27.000 I was poisoning myself, poisoning myself with fun.

02:49:30.000 I was having a good time.

02:49:32.000 I was, you know, it wasn't terrible.

02:49:34.000 I wasn't an alcoholic.

02:49:35.000 I wasn't drinking and driving or anything stupid, but it was a couple of drinks, a few nights a week.

02:49:41.000 Maybe I'd go out with my wife on date night, have a couple glasses of wine.

02:49:45.000 It was just at the end of the week, it's like you're drinking eight drinks, and that's just not good.

02:49:52.000 It's just not good for you.

02:49:53.000 I can't imagine drinking and doing comedy.

02:49:55.000 Like, again, I quit before I started.

02:49:58.000 I see guys who are like, I can't, because I was not a fun drunk at all.

02:50:01.000 I was a fucking crier.

02:50:03.000 I was the fucking worst.

02:50:06.000 No one liked me.

02:50:07.000 You fucking piece of shit.

02:50:10.000 So I was.

02:50:11.000 You were like 19?

02:50:12.000 18. I was 18. Yeah.

02:50:13.000 You're not even supposed to be drinking back then.

02:50:15.000 I know.

02:50:15.000 And people.

02:50:15.000 That's crazy.

02:50:16.000 It's, oh, he was too young.

02:50:17.000 He's thinking, but it's like, I don't know.

02:50:18.000 Try it again now, Jimmy.

02:50:20.000 People would love, but they wouldn't like me.

02:50:22.000 I was a cutter.

02:50:23.000 I mean, who the fuck was that?

02:50:25.000 A 56-year-old cutter?

02:50:26.000 I mean, how awful is that?

02:50:28.000 That's awful.

02:50:29.000 So it's the best thing I did because I was not a fun guy to be around.

02:50:33.000 Some guys are fun.

02:50:34.000 When Anthony drinks, he's, you know, at times I wish his fucking Twitter fingers were broken.

02:50:39.000 But I wish he would lock his fucking phone.

02:50:41.000 But he is a funny, like, he's not usually an angry drunk.

02:50:45.000 Right.

02:50:45.000 It's functional.

02:50:46.000 He's a functional guy.

02:50:47.000 I was never functional.

02:50:48.000 I was vomit.

02:50:50.000 I was the phone.

02:50:51.000 I should call the FBI.

02:50:52.000 I fucking, you know, I used to call bomb threats into my high school.

02:50:56.000 I was fucking crazy.

02:50:57.000 Oh, boy.

02:50:58.000 I called, I could say now, I mean, I called, let's say, a threat into the White House.

02:51:02.000 But I was 13. I was 13 when I did.

02:51:04.000 13. That's so crazy.

02:51:06.000 What a crazy thing to do.

02:51:07.000 The Ku Klux Klan.

02:51:08.000 I called the fucking, because I was like little lib Jimmy, and I read that there was a Klan book I read, and the guy was like a preacher for the Ku Klux Klan.

02:51:16.000 So I called him.

02:51:17.000 I looked his number up on 411 back then.

02:51:19.000 It was in the early 80s.

02:51:20.000 Wow.

02:51:21.000 And I got his name, and I called him.

02:51:23.000 I was like, are you fucking racist?

02:51:25.000 And he actually talked to me.

02:51:26.000 And he was like, oh, I got out of the Klan.

02:51:28.000 I'm not in that anymore.

02:51:29.000 And we actually had a conversation.

02:51:30.000 He actually engaged me for about 20 minutes.

02:51:34.000 I had a conversation with some clan.

02:51:36.000 When you were a kid?

02:51:36.000 I was 14 years old, 15 years old.

02:51:38.000 Wow.

02:51:39.000 Again, I remember calling for information.

02:51:41.000 I forget what.

02:51:42.000 Just for him for doing that.

02:51:44.000 Yeah, for getting out.

02:51:45.000 Yeah, getting out and talking to you about that on the phone.

02:51:49.000 He didn't have to talk to you about that.

02:51:50.000 He could have just hung up.

02:51:51.000 I'm surprised you, because many people did.

02:51:54.000 I was a fixed the world on the phone.

02:51:56.000 Thank God I did a fucking time.

02:51:58.000 Do you know who Daryl Davis is?

02:51:59.000 No.

02:52:00.000 Daryl Davis is a guy who's been on the podcast a couple times, and he's a blues musician.

02:52:05.000 Is he black?

02:52:05.000 Yes.

02:52:06.000 Okay.

02:52:06.000 And he's the guy that would convert yes clan members.

02:52:09.000 I know who he is, yeah.

02:52:10.000 And he gets their costumes.

02:52:12.000 They give him their wizard costumes at the end.

02:52:14.000 He's just, because he's probably a guy who's not, and I have seen stuff by him.

02:52:19.000 He probably is just a good guy, and it's hard to dismiss him because he's not force-feeding you.

02:52:24.000 Exactly.

02:52:25.000 It's hard to dismiss anybody when you're just, when you're not, no one wants to be messaged at.

02:52:30.000 Right.

02:52:30.000 Right, right, right.

02:52:31.000 I don't, I can't, in stand-up, I can't even do it.

02:52:33.000 Like, my job is not to convert people.

02:52:35.000 I want you to know what my life is.

02:52:37.000 I hope you have some respect for it.

02:52:38.000 Like, I'm just living the way I want to live.

02:52:41.000 And I'm not out to tell other people they have to feel this way.

02:52:44.000 Right.

02:52:44.000 Because no one wants to be messaged at.

02:52:46.000 Nobody.

02:52:47.000 It doesn't work.

02:52:48.000 It's not effective.

02:52:49.000 If it was effective, I'd probably do it.

02:52:52.000 He just shows you, like, this is a good man.

02:52:54.000 I must be wrong if I think that all black people are evil.

02:52:57.000 Right.

02:52:57.000 This guy's like become a good friend.

02:52:59.000 You have him over for dinner.

02:53:01.000 And then the guy's like, I'm telling you right now, I'm getting out of the Klan because of you.

02:53:04.000 And he did it to like 200 different people on a one-on-one basis.

02:53:08.000 Where he gets to know them.

02:53:09.000 And getting beyond, it's like we talked about it before, like anytime somebody is an asshole publicly, but when you meet them and you realize, oh, there's a person here.

02:53:17.000 It's the way people are supposed to communicate.

02:53:19.000 And this is what I think is so terrible about social media.

02:53:22.000 Too many people are just become so accustomed to barking at people, just barking out into the abyss.

02:53:27.000 Yeah, I have to stop myself from doing it.

02:53:29.000 There's been times people have tweeted something and I want to make like a cunty remark. 0.66

02:53:32.000 And I'm like, shut up, dummy.

02:53:33.000 They're not talking to you.

02:53:34.000 Exactly.

02:53:35.000 Mind your fucking business.

02:53:36.000 I really do say that to myself.

02:53:37.000 Mind your business, you fucking hen. 1.00

02:53:39.000 When I see people do it, I think that guy's mentally ill.

02:53:42.000 Like you're engaging with these people.

02:53:44.000 You're yelling at these people on Twitter.

02:53:46.000 You're mentally ill. 0.74

02:53:46.000 Yeah, like I don't care what other people, like I care what people think about me in the sense that I want them to think I'm funny and I want them to love. 0.74

02:53:51.000 Of course we all want to be liked, but I don't care what people's opinions on the Middle East are.

02:53:55.000 I don't give a shit.

02:53:56.000 You're not going to change their opinions.

02:53:57.000 And I don't need them to agree with mine.

02:53:59.000 Like I have enough confidence in my own brain that I am not always right, but I'm always comfortable in my opinions and I'm not afraid of somebody.

02:54:07.000 I'm okay being wrong too.

02:54:08.000 Like I don't need the power of agreement from somebody.

02:54:12.000 It's just.

02:54:13.000 Good for you.

02:54:14.000 But it's only because I've tried it my life and it hasn't worked.

02:54:17.000 It doesn't make you happy when you get it.

02:54:18.000 No.

02:54:19.000 It only makes you angry.

02:54:20.000 It doesn't work.

02:54:22.000 It's a terrible way to communicate.

02:54:23.000 Yeah, it is.

02:54:24.000 Jimmy, I love you to death.

02:54:25.000 I love you too, Joe.

02:54:26.000 Thank you, buddy.

02:54:27.000 It's always great to see you.

02:54:28.000 Yes, sir.

02:54:28.000 And can I tell everybody?

02:54:30.000 Yes.

02:54:30.000 The special is called Unconceivable.

02:54:34.000 I kept forgetting the name, and it's not a misspell.

02:54:36.000 The unconceivable is actually a word in the English language, and it does kind of fit.

02:54:39.000 And the podcast is Jim Norton Can't Save You.

02:54:42.000 Both are on at Jim Norton Comedy at YouTube.

02:54:45.000 And I'm really happy with this special.

02:54:46.000 Nice.

02:54:47.000 I would say that anyway, I'm not going to come up here and shit on my own special.

02:54:49.000 I'm not that self-destructive.

02:54:50.000 But I actually really was happy with this one.

02:54:53.000 Beautiful.

02:54:53.000 So I hope you like it.

02:54:54.000 All right.

02:54:55.000 Thanks, pal.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 25, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2342 - Jim Norton

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