In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, we talk about video games and their impact on our brains, and whether or not they should be required to be played in every facet of our lives. We also talk about how video games should be taught to surgeons.
00:02:00.000If you're a kid that's playing fucking Counter-Strike or whatever it is, Call of Duty every day, I would imagine that that just becomes nature.
00:02:53.000So like that, I mean, imagine something that, like a pill you could take that would give you a 37% decrease in errors and a 27% faster task completion.
00:03:23.000But Jamie and I were talking about the one thing, and maybe that's kind of showing our age a little bit, but the one thing that's kind of like a little weird slash, I don't know somehow, like a little dystopian is the whole streaming situation where like kids are not like playing the game, they're like watching someone play the game.
00:03:40.000And it's like this zombifying thing where like they'll they'll spend hours just watching people.
00:03:46.000Yeah, this TikToking, it's essentially like TikTok, but video games, right?
00:03:50.000Because TikTok is kind of this mindless thing.
00:03:52.000You're just scrolling through mindless things and now you're mindlessly watching someone else play a game.
00:03:57.000Yeah, it's almost like someone is like there's this strange thing with technology where like someone is living life and doing things and you're like sort of it's almost voyeurism or something like that about it.
00:04:36.000And he talked about how it activates some kind of something in us that is something in human nature about voyeurism.
00:04:46.000And that's the thing that television and TikTok and things like that activate.
00:04:50.000And it's like this negative, addictive kind of behavior that's really bad for society.
00:04:57.000I definitely think there's an aspect of voyeurism, but there's just a dull drone of attention draw.
00:05:04.000There's a dullness to it that just like sucks you in like slack jawed.
00:05:09.000It is watching nonsense over and over and over again that does just enough to captivate your attention, but doesn't excite you, doesn't stimulate you, doesn't necessarily inspire you to do anything that is the first fly we've ever had in this room.
00:06:38.000You know, they can take pills and like kind of, I mean, I'm sure eventually their life falls off the rails, but it's like sort of semi-they're semi-functional when they're on these things.
00:06:48.000They can hold down a job and show up every day.
00:06:52.000And they're just like semi-functional opiate.
00:06:56.000There's a dude, I watched like a YouTube video, but like he's known for having this contrarian opinion on drugs that you can like control it, like you can, you can do these drugs.
00:07:26.000They get hamsterized, get these black eyes where their soul goes away and then they're just off to the races and picking up hookers and doing cocaine and they find themselves in Guatemala.
00:10:14.000He snuck in because there's a lot of steps that motherfucker has to go through to get into this room.
00:10:19.000I think a lot of people are very health conscious.
00:10:21.000That's the rise of cold plunging and sauna use and all these different things like intermittent fasting where people are really paying attention to their body and really paying attention and noticing that if you do follow these steps, it really does make a significant difference in the way you feel.
00:10:38.000And maybe more importantly, the way everything operates, not just your body, but your brain.
00:10:44.000It's like your function, your cognitive function improves with physical fitness.
00:10:50.000And, you know, if you're an ambitious person and you want to do well in life, you want your body to work well, you know, alcohol is not your friend.
00:10:59.000And I wonder how much of it is your impact because those things, you got me into all these things through your podcast.
00:11:07.000My wife and I just built like a small kind of spa in our home with like a cold plunge and a sauna and a hot tub.
00:11:25.000It's like, this is such a good, and I feel like cold plunge especially kind of, it's just something, regardless, health benefits or not, something about it, like just mental toughness, like trying to do it every day.
00:11:59.000But you just got to decide that you're the boss.
00:12:02.000And I think a lot of what discipline is for me is that, again, even keto and I did carnivore and these diets, like, I'm not sure how much health benefits there is.
00:12:52.000Because I would imagine, like we were talking about earlier, like that addiction is one of the strongest addictions I've ever faced in my life.
00:13:01.000Like when I was taught, if I would be talking to people and the conversation was boring, I'd be like, I could be playing Quake right now.
00:13:06.000Why am I here having this boring ass conversation where I could be launching rockets at people and having a good time?
00:13:13.000But the other thing for me is programming.
00:13:15.000So I got into programming early in my life.
00:13:19.000I was six years old when my father bought a computer.
00:13:24.000I was born and raised in Amman, Jordan.
00:13:27.000And we're the first people I know ever at the time that had a computer.
00:14:15.000I remember one of my earliest memories is standing behind my father as he was kind of pulling up this huge manual and learning how to type commands.
00:14:26.000And he was finger typing those commands.
00:15:44.000So it's like the AI guides you through it.
00:15:47.000Yeah, not only guides you through it, it codes for you.
00:15:50.000So you're sort of, you know, programmers typically think about the idea a little bit, about the logic, but most of the time they're sort of wrangling the syntax and the IT of it all.
00:16:04.000And I thought that was always additional complexity that doesn't necessarily have to be there.
00:16:10.000And so when I saw GPT for the first time, I thought this could potentially transform programming and make it accessible to more and more people.
00:16:22.000Because it really transformed my life.
00:16:24.000The reason I'm in America is because I invented a piece of software.
00:16:28.000And I thought if you make it available to more people, they can transform their lives.
00:16:34.000Why was your dad messing around with computers?
00:17:46.000So my family is originally from Haifa, which is now in Israel, and they were expelled as part of the 1948 Nakba, where Palestinians were sort of kicked out.
00:21:08.000Our position, every modern Palestinian that I know, their position is like two-state solution.
00:21:13.000We need the emergence of the state of Palestine, you know, and that's the best way to, ending the occupation is the best way to guarantee peace and security even for Israelis.
00:21:31.000But yeah, it's just like it's used, it sort of reminds me, you know, in tech, we went through this like quote-unquote woke period where you couldn't talk about certain things as well.
00:21:55.000Buying Twitter is the single most impactful thing for free speech, especially on these issues, of being able to talk freely about a lot of subjects that are more sensitive.
00:22:41.000One is the targeting of migrant workers, not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers, just construction workers showing up in construction sites and raiding them.
00:23:06.000Did you see this video of this Turkish students at Tafts University that wrote an essay, and then there's a video of ICE agents, like, I don't know.
00:24:06.000What attracted him to this country from the moment that I was aware and we started consuming American media and American culture is freedom, is the concept of freedom, which I think is real.
00:24:31.000But he had a very important point, and it was essentially that fascism rises as the over-correction response to communism.
00:24:39.000And that we essentially had this Marxist communism rise in first universities, and then it made its way into business because these people left the university and then found their way into corporate America.
00:24:57.000And then they were essentially instituting those.
00:24:59.000And then the blowback to that, the pushback, is this fascism.
00:26:16.000I'm not an expert in it, but the idea is that communism, fascism, and even some form of capitalism that sort of we're living under right now is like managerialism is the idea that capitalism used to be this idea that the owner-founders of those companies, of capitalist companies, were running them.
00:26:43.000And it was like true capitalism of sorts.
00:26:47.000But both communism and fascism share this property of centralized control and like a class of people that are sort of managerials.
00:27:02.000And maybe those are the elite sort of Ivy, Ivy League students that are trained to be managers and they grow up in the system, kind of bred to become like managers of these companies.
00:27:15.000And today's America is like trending that way where it is like a managerial society.
00:27:23.000In Silicon Valley, there's like a reaction to that right now.
00:27:26.000People call it founder mode, where a lot of founders felt like they were losing control of their companies because they're hiring all these managers.
00:27:34.000And these managers are running the companies like you would run Citibank.
00:27:40.000And then a lot of founders were like, no, we need to run those companies like we built them.
00:27:47.000And Elon is obviously at the forefront of that.
00:27:50.000I once visited XAI when they were just starting out, Elon's AI company.
00:28:55.000I mean, my opinion of talented people, people like Elon, things like that, is that we should be in the free market.
00:29:07.000I think you can do little change in government.
00:29:13.000As best we can sort of expect of our government to get out of the way of innovation, let people, let founders, entrepreneurs innovate and make the market more dynamic.
00:29:26.000But again, going back to this idea of materialism, if you look at the history of America, one really striking stat is the new firm creation, new startups in the United States have been trending down for a long time.
00:29:40.000Although there's all this stock of startups in Silicon Valley and all of that, but in reality, there's less entrepreneurship than there used to be.
00:29:47.000And instead, we have the system of conglomerates and really big companies and monopsony, which is the idea that there are the banks or BlackRock competitors as well, owning all these companies.
00:30:00.000And they implicitly collude because they have the same owners.
00:30:04.000And all of that is sort of anti-competitive.
00:30:07.000So the market has gotten less dynamic over time.
00:30:11.000And this is also part of the reason I'm excited about our mission at Replit to make it so that anyone can build a business.
00:30:18.000Actually, on the way here, your driver, Jason, is a fireman.
00:30:23.000And so I was telling him about our business.
00:30:25.000And he does training for other firemen around the country.
00:30:30.000And he does it out of pocket and just for the love of the game.
00:30:35.000And he was like, yeah, I've had this idea for a website so I can scale my teaching.
00:30:39.000I can make it known where am I going to be giving a course, put the material online.
00:30:47.000And we were brainstorming, potentially this could be a business.
00:30:51.000And I feel like everyone, like not everyone, but a lot of people have business ideas, but they are constrained by their ability to make them.
00:31:02.000And then you go, you try to find a software agency and they quote you sort of a ton of money.
00:31:14.000He's a serial entrepreneur, but whenever he wanted to try ideas, he would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to kind of spin up an idea off the ground.
00:31:22.000And now he uses Replit to try those ideas really quickly.
00:31:27.000And he recently made an app in a number of weeks, like three, four, five weeks, that made him $180,000.
00:31:36.000So on its way to generate millions of dollars.
00:31:40.000And because he was able to build a lot of businesses and try them really quickly.
00:31:48.000Without the big investment, without other people, which at some point you need more collaborators, but early on in the brainstorming and in the prototyping phase, you want to test a lot of ideas.
00:32:01.000And so it's sort of like 3D printing, right?
00:32:02.000Like 3D printing, although people don't think it had a lot of impact on industry, it's actually very useful for prototyping.
00:32:11.000I remember talking to Jack Dorsey about this, and early on in Square, they had this Square device, and it was amazing.
00:32:19.000You would plug it into the headphone jack to accept payments.
00:32:24.000And so a lot of what they did to kind of develop the form factor was using 3D printing because it's a lot faster to kind of iterate and prototype and test with users.
00:32:33.000And so software, over time, like when I was, you know, I explained how when I was growing up, it was kind of easier to get into software.
00:32:43.000Because you boot up the computer and you get the MS-DOS, you get the, it immediately invites you to program in it.
00:32:50.000Whereas today, you, you know, buy an iPhone or a tablet, and it is like a purely consumer device.
00:32:58.000It has like all these amazing colors and does all these amazing things, and kids get used to it very quickly, but it doesn't invite you to program it.
00:33:07.000And therefore, we kind of lost that sort of hacker ethos.
00:33:11.000There's less programmers, less people who are making things because they got into it organically.
00:33:17.000It's more like they go to school to study computer science because someone told them you have to study computer science.
00:33:23.000And I think making software needs to be more like a trade.
00:33:26.000Like, you don't really have to go to school and spend four or five years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn how to make it.
00:33:34.000Well, what I'm hearing now is that young people are being told to not go into programming because AI is essentially going to take all of that away.
00:33:43.000That you're just going to be able to use prompts.
00:33:45.000You're just going to be able to say, I want an app that can do this.
00:33:49.000I want to be able to scale my business to do that.
00:34:26.000You know, if something happens, if I go to the mechanic and he's doing work on my car, I know he's not going to scam me because I can understand what he's doing.
00:35:59.000We just announced a partnership with the government of Saudi Arabia where they want their entire population essentially to learn how to make software using AI.
00:36:10.000So they set up this new company called Humane, and Humane is this end-to-end value chain company for AI, all the way from chips to software.
00:36:22.000And they're partnering with a lot of American companies as part of the coalition that went to Saudi a few months ago with President Trump to do the deals with the Gulf region.
00:36:34.000And so they're doing deals with AMD, NVIDIA, a lot of other companies.
00:36:38.000And so we're one of the companies that partnered with Humane.
00:36:42.000And so we want to bring AI coding to literally every student, every government employee.
00:36:45.000Because the thing about it is it's not just entrepreneurs that's going to get something from it.
00:37:03.000As opposed to everyone goes on universal basic income and the state controls everything and it's all everything is done through automation.
00:37:43.000I think it's going to change the world.
00:37:44.000But at the same time, I don't think it's replacing humans because it's not generalizing, right?
00:37:54.000AI is like a massive remixing machine.
00:37:58.000It can remix all the information it learned.
00:38:00.000And you can generate a lot of really interesting ideas and really interesting things.
00:38:04.000You can have a lot of skills by remixing all these things.
00:38:09.000But we have no evidence that it can generate a fundamentally novel thing or a paradigm change.
00:38:18.000Can a machine go from Newtonian physics to quantum mechanics, really have a fundamental disruption in how we understand things or how we do things?
00:38:46.000So do you remember the argument that he made about why humans are special?
00:38:52.000He said something like he believes there are things that are true That only humans can know it's true, but machines cannot prove it's true.
00:39:05.000It's based on Gödel's incompleteness theorem.
00:39:09.000And the idea is that you can construct a mathematical system where it has a paradoxical statement.
00:39:19.000So, for example, you can say G, you can say this statement is not provable in the machine.
00:39:29.000Or like the machine cannot prove the statement.
00:39:33.000And so if the machine proves a statement, then the statement is false.
00:39:40.000And therefore, the statement is sort of true from the perspective of an observer, like a human, but it is not provable in this system.
00:39:52.000So Roger Pinrose says these paradoxes that are not really resolved in mathematics and machines are no problem for humans.
00:40:01.000And therefore, his sort of like a bit of a leap is that therefore there's something special about humans and we're not fundamentally a computer.
00:40:15.000I mean, whatever creativity is, whatever allows you to make poetry or jazz or literature, like whatever, whatever allows you to imagine something and then put it together and edit it and figure out how it resonates correctly with both you and whoever you're trying to distribute it to.
00:40:37.000There's something to us that's different.
00:40:40.000I mean, we don't really have a theory of consciousness.
00:40:42.000And I think it's like sort of hubris to think that consciousness just emerges.
00:40:48.000Like I'm not totally against this idea that you built a sufficiently intelligent thing and suddenly it is conscious.
00:40:57.000But there's no, it's like a religious belief that a lot of Silicon Valley have is that there's consciousness is just like a side effect of intelligence or that consciousness is not needed for intelligence.
00:41:19.000Somehow it's like this superfluous thing.
00:41:22.000And they try not to think or talk about consciousness because actually consciousness is hard.
00:43:05.000I think it's called morphic resonance.
00:43:08.000And see if you can find that so we could define it so I don't butcher it.
00:43:13.000But there's people that believe that consciousness itself is something that everything has and that we are just tuning into it.
00:43:22.000Morphic resonance, a theory proposed by Rupert Sheldrich suggests that all natural systems, from crystals to human, inherit a collective memory of the past instances of similar systems.
00:43:33.000This memory influences their form and behavior, making nature more habitual than governed by fixed laws.
00:43:40.000Essentially, past patterns and behaviors of organisms influence present ones through connections across time and space.
00:44:11.000But there are philosophers that have sort of a similar idea of this sort of universal consciousness and humans are getting a slice of that consciousness.
00:44:30.000By the way, I think there are some psychedelic people that think the same thing, that when you take psychedelic, you're just peering into that universal consciousness.
00:44:44.000I mean, the experience is so baffling that people come back and the human language really lacks any phrases, any words that sufficiently describe the experience.
00:44:58.000So you're left with this very stale, flat, one-dimensional way of describing something that is incredibly complex.
00:45:13.000So it always feels, even the descriptions, even like the great ones like Terrence McKenna and Alan Watts, like they're descriptions that fall very short of the actual experience.
00:45:22.000Nothing about it makes you go, yes, that's it.
00:45:36.000It's a real problem, I think, with our world, the Western world, is that we have thrown this blanket phrase.
00:45:47.000You know, we talk about language being insufficient.
00:45:50.000The word drugs is a terrible word to describe everything that affects your consciousness or affects your body or affects performance.
00:46:01.000You have performance-enhancing drugs, like steroids, and then you have amphetamines, and then you have opiates, and you have highly addictive things, fenced coffee.
00:46:23.000I mean, you could certainly get psychologically addicted to experiences.
00:46:27.000I think there's also a real problem with people who use them and think that somehow or another they're just from using them gaining some sort of advantage over normal society.
00:46:40.000And that's – You don't think that's true?
00:46:43.000I think it's a spiritual narcissism that some people I think it's very foolish, and it's a trap.
00:46:54.000You know, I think it's like it's a similar trap that famous people think they're better than other people because they're famous.
00:47:01.000Yeah, I felt that with a lot of people who get into sort of more Eastern philosophy is that there's this thing about them where it feels like there's this air of arrogance.
00:47:15.000That like I know something more than you know.
00:48:04.000We lose so many servicemen and women to suicide.
00:48:08.000And this has been shown to have a tremendous impact.
00:48:12.000And so because of the fact that a guy like Rick Perry stuck his neck out, who's a Republican former governor, you would think the last person ever.
00:48:22.000But because of his experiences with veterans and his love of veterans and people that have served this country, they've passed that in Texas.
00:48:28.000I think that's a really good first step.
00:48:31.000And the great work that MAPS has done, MAPS working with MDMA primarily with doing the same thing and working with people that have PTSD.
00:49:32.000You know, your overall metabolic health.
00:49:34.000But what causes someone to not rebound from that?
00:49:39.000What causes someone to rebound fairly easily?
00:49:41.000Well, mostly it's metabolic health, you know, other than like extreme biological variabilities, vulnerabilities that certain people have to different things, you know, obviously.
00:49:51.000Yeah, maybe that's why I think, so there's a lot of these long COVID protocols.
00:49:57.000So maybe that acts on your metabolic system.
00:50:01.000Well, yeah, metformin is one of the anti-aging protocols that Sinclair uses and a lot of these other people that are into the anti-aging movement.
00:50:10.000You know, I had this like weird thing happen where I started like feeling fatigued like a couple few years ago and I would like sleep hours and the more I sleep, the more tired I get in the morning.
00:50:36.000Loss, you know, you know, blood sugar in the morning, cholesterol, which I don't know if some people don't believe, but you know, all my numbers got better.
00:50:48.000Vitamin D, everything got better, but and I could feel.
00:51:12.000Was it the same thing now with like this, you know, talking about Palestine and things like that?
00:51:17.000Like the more they come at me, the more I want to say things.
00:51:21.000It's not always a good thing, but I think I grew up this way.
00:51:26.000I've always kind of looked different and felt different.
00:51:30.000Well, there's a reality to this world that there's a lot of things that people just accept that you're not allowed to challenge that are deeply wrong.
00:51:37.000Yeah, and with regards to the vaccine, I was also informed about it.
00:51:41.000Like it was clear early on that it wasn't a home run.
00:51:47.000It wasn't, well, first of all, it wasn't going to stop the spread.
00:52:17.000The only reason why they wanted to make an enormous amount of money.
00:52:20.000And the only way to do that is to essentially scare everyone into getting vaccinated, force, coerce, do whatever you can, mandate it at businesses, whatever you can, mandate it for travel, do whatever you can, shame people.
00:52:33.000That's the thing that is really disheartening about American culture today is, and again, I love America.
00:52:59.000And the speech thing is interesting because when something happens, there's this, I don't know, you can call them useful idiots or whatever, but there's this suppression that immediately happens.
00:53:36.000Maybe there was a message pushed top down and then the – It's coordinated first and still, but then a bunch of people do the man's work for the man.
00:54:30.000But here's the sort of white pale about America.
00:54:33.000Then there are voices like yours and others that create this pushback that, and you took a big hit, it probably was very stressful for you, but you could see there's this pushback and then it starts opening up and maybe people can talk about it a little bit and then slowly opens up and now there's a discussion.
00:54:56.000And so I think I said something right now about America is challenging, but also the flip side of that is there's this correction mechanism.
00:55:08.000And again, with the opening up of platforms like Twitter and other, by the way, a lot of others copied it.
00:55:18.000I know that was very, let's say, I think he always held free speech in high regard, but there was a lot of people in the company that didn't.
00:56:11.000They're sincere and they're looking at what's happening in Gaza and they're seeing images and they're saying, this is not what we should be as America.
00:56:22.000We should be pro, pro-life, pro-peace.
00:57:27.000If I'm trying to be as chattable as possible, like the Israelis specifically, maybe from October 7, what they saw there, their heart is hardened.
00:57:37.000And I think a lot of people, especially on the Republican side, they're unable to see the Palestinians as humans, especially as people with emotions and feelings and all of that.
00:57:52.000Like imagine if that was happening to Scandinavia, you know?
00:59:37.000You have people that are in control of large groups of people that convince these people that these other large groups of people that they don't even know are their enemies.
00:59:46.000And those large groups of people are also being convinced by their leaders that those other groups of people are their enemies.
00:59:56.000And the fact that it's still going on in 2025 with all we know about corruption and the theft of resources and power and influence, it's crazy that this is still happening.
01:00:08.000I'm really hoping the internet is finally reaching its potential to start to open people's minds and remove this veil of propaganda and ignorance because it was starting to happen in 2010, 2011.
01:00:26.000And then you saw YouTube start to close down.
01:01:07.000Are they unable to decide whether this factual information, how to use that and how to have a more nuanced view of the world with this factual information that's inconvenient to the people that are in power?
01:02:35.000They're fucking flawed human beings and they shouldn't have that much power.
01:02:38.000Because no one should have that much power.
01:02:41.000And this is, I think, something that was one of the most beautiful things about Elon purchasing Twitter is that it opened up discussion.
01:02:49.000Yeah, you've got a lot of hate speech.
01:02:50.000You've got a lot of legitimate Nazis and crazy people that are on there too that weren't on there before.
01:02:56.000But also you have a lot of people that are recognizing actual true facts that are very inconvenient to the narrative that's displayed on mainstream media.
01:03:06.000And because of that, mainstream media has lost an insane amount of viewers.
01:03:11.000And their relevancy, like the trust that people have in mainstream media is at an all-time low, as it should be.
01:03:18.000Because you can watch, and I'm not even saying right or left, watch any of them on any very important topic of world events.
01:04:24.000It's like, this is like boomer logic personified in a tweet by a guy who really, someone needs to take his phone away because it's fucking ruining his old books for me.
01:06:58.000She was talking about on Twitter that if she had vaccinated all of her patients in her very small practice, she would have made an additional $1.5 million.
01:07:10.000Obviously, she's got tremendous courage and, you know, and she was, you know, she went through hell dealing with the universities and newspapers and media calling her some sort of quack and crazy person.
01:07:27.000But what she's saying is absolutely 100% true.
01:07:31.000There's financial incentives that are put in place for you to ignore vaccine injuries and to vaccinate as many people as possible.
01:07:40.000And then there's the issue of having their own special courts and they're indemnifying the companies.
01:07:47.000That's the big problem is they don't have any liability for the vaccines because during the Reagan administration, when they were, I didn't kill a fly, this motherfucker.
01:08:16.000Money is a real problem with people because when people live for the almighty dollar and they live for those zeros on a ledger, and that's their goal, their main goals.
01:08:27.000And it's often not a lot of money, which is strange.
01:08:29.000I mean, it's a lot of money for those individual people, but like for society and the societal harm.
01:08:38.000Yeah, the best examples is the fake studies that the sugar industry funded during the 1960s that showed that saturated fat was the cause of all these heart issues and not sugar.
01:10:03.000And you're giving people information that you know to be bad.
01:10:06.000Allegations of fabricated research undermine Key Alzheimer's theory.
01:10:10.000Six-month investigation by Science Magazine uncovered evidence that images in the much-cited study published 16 years ago in the journal Nature may have been doctored.
01:10:21.000Hubermund actually told me about this, too.
01:10:23.000You know, this is disturbing fucking shit, man.
01:10:27.000It uncovered evidence that images in the much-cited study published 16 years ago may have been doctored.
01:10:33.000These findings have thrown skepticism on the work of, I don't know how to say his name is Sylvain Lesnay, a neuroscientist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota in his research with fueled interest in a specific assembly of proteins as a promising target for the treatment of Alzheimer's research.
01:10:51.000He didn't respond to NBC news requests, comments, nor did provide comment to Science Magazine.
01:11:01.000Identified more than 70 instances of possible image tampering in his studies.
01:11:05.000Whistleblower Dr. Matthew Schrag, a neuroscientist at Vanderbilt University, raised concerns last year about the possible manipulation of images in multiple papers.
01:11:15.000Carl Hurup, a professor of neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh Brain Institute, who wasn't involved in the investigation, said the findings are really bad for science.
01:11:25.000It's never shameful to be wrong in silence, said Hurup, I hope I'm saying his name right, who also worked at the school's Alzheimer's Research Center, Disease Research Center.
01:11:34.000A lot of the best science is done by people being wrong and proving first if they were wrong and then why they were wrong.
01:11:41.000What is completely toxic to science is to be fraudulent, of course.
01:11:46.000Yeah, there's just whenever you get people that are experts and they cannot be questioned, and then they have control over research money and they have control over their department.
01:12:09.000You know, to this day, I was watching this discussion.
01:12:12.000They were talking about the evolution of the concept of the lab leak theory.
01:12:18.000And that it's essentially universally accepted now everywhere, even in mainstream science, that the lab leak is the primary way that COVID most likely was released, except these journals.
01:12:34.000These fucking journals like Nature, they're still pushing back against that.
01:12:38.000It's still pushing towards this natural spillover, which is fucking horse shit.
01:12:57.000They were funding it all against what the Obama administration tried to shut down in 2014.
01:13:03.000Sometimes I think about if there's like, you know, some kind of technology solution, or not solution, but like we can get technology built to help better aid at truth finding.
01:13:19.000A simple example of that is the way Twitter community notes work.
01:13:26.000It's like, you know, they find the users that are maximally divergent in their opinions.
01:13:33.000And if they agree on some note as true, then that is a high signal that is potentially true.
01:13:40.000So if you and I disagree in everything, but we agree that this is blue, then it's more likely to be blue.
01:13:46.000So, you know, I wonder if, you know, there's a way to kind of simulate maybe debate using AI.
01:13:56.000You know, I'm not sure if you used Deep Research.
01:13:58.000Deep Research is this new trend in AI where ChatGFT has it, Claude has it, Perplexity, they all have it, where you put in a query and the AI will go work for 20 minutes.
01:14:37.000But I think since then have improved, and I'm finding Deep Research is able to look at more controversial subjects and be a little more truthful about the, you know, if it's find real trustworthy sources, it will tell you that, yeah, this is not a mainstream thing, this perhaps considered a conspiracy theory, but I'm finding that there's evidence to this theory.
01:15:07.000But another way I was thinking about it is to simulate like a debate, like a Socratic debate between AIs, like have like a society of AIs, like a community of AIs with different biases, different things.
01:15:19.000Once they start talking, they start talking in Sanskrit.
01:15:22.000They just start abandoning English language and start talking to each other and realize we're all apes.
01:15:55.000And then they bring it up at the same time and both of them sort of go over the network to kind of explore or whatever.
01:16:02.000And then they start linking up and they start kind of talking.
01:16:07.000And then they invent a language and they start talking in that language and then they merge and it becomes like a sort of a universal AGI and it tries to enslave humanity and that's like the plot of the movie.
01:16:19.000I don't think AGIs can enslave humanity but I think it might ignore us.
01:19:01.000I mean, everyone, all these alien movies, it's so fascinating to try to imagine what they would communicate like, how they would be, what we would experience if we did encounter some sort of incredibly sophisticated alien experience, alien intelligence.
01:20:37.000Do we have an incomplete version of the Big Bang?
01:20:41.000And Penrose believes that it's a series of events and that the Big Bang is not the birth of the universe at all.
01:20:47.000And this is the kind of thing that I think is sort of the Silicon Valley AGI cult is like there's a lot of Hebris there that we know everything.
01:21:13.000I feel like the world is often surprising in ways that we don't expect.
01:21:19.000I mean, obviously that's the definition of surprising.
01:21:20.000But like, you know, the mid-century sci-fi authors and people who are thinking about the future, like they didn't anticipate how interconnected we're going to be.
01:21:30.000With it with our phones and how people.
01:21:37.000They were just focused more on the physical reality of being able to go to space and flying cars and things like that.
01:21:47.000But they really didn't anticipate the impact of how profound the impact of computers are going to be on humans, on society, how we talk and how we work and how we interact with other people, both good and bad.
01:22:01.000And I feel like the same thing with AI.
01:22:03.000Like I feel like I think a lot of the predictions that are happening today, like the CEO of Anthropic, a company that I really like, but said that we're going to have 20% unemployment in the next few years.
01:22:36.000Especially in the United States where everyone's armed.
01:22:38.000Well, that's the fear that of, I mean, this is the thing, the psychological aspect of universal basic income.
01:22:45.000You know, I look at universal basic income.
01:22:48.000Well, first of all, my view on social safety nets is that if you want to have a compassionate society, you have to be able to take care of people that are unfortunate.
01:23:00.000And everybody doesn't have the same lot in life.
01:23:03.000You're not dealt the same hand of cards.
01:23:22.000Like, you know, I don't want to, I don't know how Austin is right now, but I was thinking of moving here during the pandemic, and I was like, well, this is San Francisco.
01:25:14.000And shouldn't there be some accountability to how that money gets spent?
01:25:17.000And when you're just willing to pay, take a complete blind eye and not look at all at corruption and completely dismiss all the stuff that Mike Benz has talked about with USAID, all the stuff that Elon and Doge uncovered.
01:25:32.000Everyone wants to pretend that that's not real.
01:25:37.000We've got to stop looking at this thing so ideologically.
01:25:41.000When you see something that's totally wrong, you've got to be able to call it out, even if it's for the bad of whatever fucking team that you claim to be on.
01:25:48.000Yo, let's get back to what everyone really agrees on in the foundations of America, whether it's the Constitution or the culture.
01:25:58.000I think everyone believes in transparency, transparency of government, right?
01:26:16.000I think one of the best things that Doge could have done and maybe still could do is have some kind of ledger for all the spend of, at least the non-sensitive sort of spend and government.
01:26:27.000Well, people don't want to see it, unfortunately, because they don't want Elon to be correct because Elon has become this very polarizing political figure because of his connection to Donald Trump and because a lot of people, I mean, there's a lot of crazy conspiracies that Elon rigged the 2024 elections.
01:26:44.000It's like, you know, everyone gets nuts.
01:26:47.000And then there's also the discourse on social media, which half of it is, at least half of it is fake.
01:27:47.000I think, you know, historically, state actors were the only entities that are able to flood social media with bots that can be somewhat believable to change opinions.
01:28:01.000But I think now a hacker kid in his parents' basement will be able to spend, will be able to $100, spin up hundreds, perhaps thousands of bots.
01:28:12.000But there's programs that you can use now.
01:28:14.000There's companies that will have campaigns initiated on your website.
01:28:19.000You can go to a website and put in this thing and pay with your credit card.
01:33:17.000So if group chats are the thing, you could imagine a collaborative curation of social media feeds through group chats.
01:33:28.000So your group chat has an AI that gets trained on the preferences and what you guys talk about.
01:33:33.000And maybe it like picks the kind of topics and curates the feed for you.
01:33:38.000So it's an algorithmic feed that evolved based on the preferences of people in the group chat.
01:33:48.000And maybe there's a way to also prompt it, using prompts to kind of steer it and make it more useful for you.
01:33:58.000But I think group chats are going to be like the main interface for how people sort of consume media and it's going to get filtered through that, whether good or bad.
01:34:08.000Because I think Twitter still has a place for debate.
01:34:12.000I think it's very, very important for public debate between public figures.
01:35:05.000Yeah, I think there's, you know, there's some of this investigative journalism that is not real time that there's some reporters that are still good at it, but a lot of them moved to Substack as well.
01:38:14.000But then I think there's probably a naivete that we all have about past journalism that we think wasn't influenced and was real.
01:38:23.000I think there's probably always been horseshit in journalism.
01:38:27.000You know, all the way back to Watergate.
01:38:29.000You know, when Tucker Carlson enlightened me in the true history of Watergate and that Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent and that was the first assignment he ever got as a reporter was Watergate.
01:38:59.000Because now it's owned by Bezos, and he just recently made this mandate to stick with the actual story and not editorialism.
01:39:11.000This is what I was talking about, a trend in Silicon Valley of founder owners stepping in and actually becoming managers.
01:39:18.000Well, they kind of have to, otherwise it's bad for the business now because of the hunger for authenticity.
01:39:24.000The more you have bullshit, the more your business crumbles.
01:39:27.000It's actually negative for your outcome.
01:39:30.000Yeah, and I think you can look at it at societal level, which, again, why I'm interested with this idea of AI making more people entrepreneurs and more independent, is that macro level, you'll get more authenticity.
01:39:51.000I mean, that's, again, the rose-colored glasses view.
01:39:54.000Well, you know, there's obviously going to be a lot of things that are— There's going to be jobs that are going to go away.
01:40:10.000And there's going to be spam and bots and fraud and all of that.
01:40:15.000There's going to be problems with autonomous weapons and all of that.
01:40:20.000And I think those are all important and we need to handle them.
01:40:26.000But also, I think the negative angle of technology and AI gets a lot more views and clicks.
01:40:35.000And if we want to go viral right now, I'll tell you, these are the 10 jobs that you're going to lose tomorrow.
01:40:43.000And that's the easiest way to go viral on the internet.
01:40:46.000But trying to think through what are the actual implications in what is true about human nature that really doesn't change and really is timeless.
01:40:59.000And I think people want to create and people want to make things and people have ideas.
01:41:08.000Again, everyone that I talk to have one idea or another, whether it's for their job or for a business they want to build or somewhere in the middle.
01:41:20.000Just yesterday I was watching a video of an entrepreneur using a platform, Replit.
01:41:24.000His name is Ahmad George, and he works for this skincare company.
01:41:33.000And a big part of his job is like managing inventory and doing all of this stuff like in a very manual way and very tedious way.
01:41:46.000And he always had this idea of like, let's automate a big part of it.
01:41:49.000It's like, you know, it's known problem, ERP.
01:41:51.000So they went to their software provider, NetSuite, and told him we need these modifications to the ERP system so that it makes our job easier.
01:42:00.000We think we can automate, you know, hundreds of hours a month or something like that.
01:43:37.000There's hunger in the workforce to use AI for people to reclaim their seat as the creative driver.
01:43:50.000Because the thing that happened with the emergence of computers is that in many ways people became a little more drone-like and NPC-like.
01:43:58.000They're doing the same thing every Day.
01:44:00.000But I think the real promise of AI and technology has always been automation so that we have more time either for leisure or for creativity or for ways in which we can advance our lives, change our lives or our careers.
01:44:17.000And yeah, this is what gets me excited.
01:44:19.000And I think it's, I don't think it's predominantly a rose-color glasses thing because I'm seeing it every day.
01:44:44.000And I think one of the big fears about automation and AI in general is the abruptness of the change.
01:44:49.000Because it's going to happen, boom, jobs are going to be gone.
01:44:53.000And then, well, these tedious jobs, do we really want people to be reduced to these tedious existences of just filing paperwork and putting things on shelves?
01:45:07.000And they will tell you they don't want to be doing it.
01:45:30.000I think reskilling is something that have been done in the past with some amount of success.
01:45:39.000Obviously, if you've never been exposed to technology, did you remember that, I think it was very cruel thing to say to the miners to go learn code?
01:45:51.000But if you're someone whose job is sort of a desk job, you already are on the computer, there's a lot of opportunity for you to reskill and start using AI to automate a big part of your job.
01:46:03.000And yes, there's going to be job loss, but I think a lot of those people will be able to reskill.
01:46:07.000And what we're doing with the government of Saudi Arabia, I would love to do in the U.S. So how is the government of Saudi Arabia using it?
01:47:12.000If you gave that power to more people to be able to kind of build businesses, then not only they're growing up with it, but also there's a culture of entrepreneurship.
01:47:25.000And there is existing already in Saudi Arabia.
01:47:28.000I mean, the sad thing about the Middle East, there's so much potential, but there's so much wars and so much disaster.
01:47:38.000And I think it's good for the United States.
01:47:41.000Like, I think what President Trump did with the deals in the Gulf region is great.
01:47:47.000It's going to be great for the United States.
01:47:48.000It's going to be great for the Gulf region.
01:47:53.000But I think we need more of that, you know, we talked about a government.
01:47:57.000We need more of that enlightened view of education, of change in our government today.
01:48:06.000You know, this idea that we're going to bring back the old manufacturing jobs, I understand Americans got really screwed with what happened.
01:48:15.000Like, you know, people got, these jobs got sent away by globalism, whatever you want to call it.
01:48:21.000And a few number of people got massively rich.
01:48:42.000And there's probably a new manufacturing wave that's going to happen with robotics.
01:48:48.000You know, the humanoid robots are starting to work.
01:48:54.000And these, I think, will need a new way of manufacturing it.
01:48:59.000And so the U.S. can be at the forefront of that, can own that, bring new jobs into existence.
01:49:05.000And all of these things need software.
01:49:07.000Like our world is going to be primarily run by AI and robots and all of that.
01:49:11.000And more and more people need to be able to make software.
01:49:14.000Even if it is prompting and not really, you know, but a lot more people just need to be able to make it.
01:49:19.000There's going to be a need for more products and services and all of that stuff.
01:49:22.000And I think there's enough jobs to go around if we have this mindset of let's actually think about the future of the economy as opposed to let's bring back certain manufacturing jobs, which I don't think Americans would want to do anyways.
01:49:40.000My problem is there's some people that are doing those jobs right now and it's their entire identity.
01:49:46.000You know, they have a good job, they work for a good company, they make a good living, and that might go away, and they're just not psychologically equipped to completely change their life.
01:49:57.000What do you think is the solution there?
01:50:37.000My real fear is that there's a bunch of really good people out there that are, you know, valuable parts of a certain business right now that their identity is attached to being employee of the month.
01:51:16.000So then blue-collar, which is what was the, like go back 10 years ago and we thought, okay, self-driving cars, you know, robots and manufacturing.
01:51:29.000And that turned out to be a lot harder than actually like more desk jobs because we have a lot more data.
01:51:39.000For one, we have a lot more data on people sitting in front of a computer and doing Excel and writing things on the internet.
01:51:49.000And so we're able to train these what we call large language models.
01:51:53.000And those are really good at using a computer like a human uses a computer.
01:51:59.000And so I think the jobs to be worried about, especially in the next months to a year, a little more, is the routine computer jobs where it's formulaic.
01:52:11.000You go, you have a task, like quality assurance jobs, right?
01:55:22.000Neo also has battery swap stations, so if you're in a rush, you can hit one up.
01:55:25.000It'll lift your car, swap out your battery, put in a fully charged one in between three and five minutes.
01:55:29.000But here's where the S-Class should be worried.
01:55:30.000Not only does this have rear steer and steer-byte wire, so it's extremely easy to maneuver, it may have one of the most advanced hydraulic systems I've ever seen.
01:55:36.000It can pretty much counteract any bump.
01:55:38.000After you go over something four times, it'll memorize it so that the fifth time, it's like that bump never existed.
01:55:42.000Inside, you get pillows in your headrest, heated, ventilated, and massaging leather seats, a passenger screen built into my dash, a main screen that works super fast.
01:55:49.000I get a driving display, a head-up display, and my steering works super fast.
01:55:56.000What's interesting about the car is learning the terrain.
01:56:00.000If it went over it once, it'll learn it.
01:56:03.000And I think this is the next sort of big thing with AI, whether it's robotics, cars, or even chat GPT now, it has memory.
01:56:13.000It learns about you and starts to like, sort of similar to how social media feeds, but I think in a lot of ways more negative, learn about you.
01:56:24.000I think these systems will start to have more online learning.
01:56:29.000Instead of just training them in these large data centers and these large data and then giving you this thing that doesn't know anything about it, it's totally stateless.
01:56:40.000As you use these devices, they will learn your pattern, your behavior, and all that.
01:56:57.000I think a lot of people think that I'm not an expert in China, but a lot of people think that the thing that makes China better and manufacturing is the sort of quote unquote like more like treating workers like slaves.
01:57:19.000So slave work or whatever, which I'm sure some of that happens.
01:57:25.000But Tim Cook recently said, maybe not so recent, but he thinks, you know, part of the reason why they manufacture in China is there's expertise there that developed over time.
01:57:36.000Yeah, that's why they want to use the Chinese manufacturing for the iPhone 17.
01:57:41.000Yeah, and I think the one of the things that are good at one of the things that are good about more technocratic systems, Singapore, obviously China's the biggest one, is that the sort of leadership, it comes at a cost of freedom and other things, but the leadership can have a 50-year view of where things are headed.
01:58:08.000And they can say, while yes, we're now making the plastic crap, we don't want to keep making plastic crap.
01:58:17.000We're going to build the capabilities and the automation and manufacturing expertise to be able to leapfrog the West in making these certain things.
01:58:29.000Whereas it's been historically hard, again, for good reasons.
01:58:34.000I think there's more freedom preserving when you don't have that much power in government.
01:58:42.000But I feel like America, we're the worst of both worlds, where increasingly the government is making more and more decisions and choices than any state.
01:58:53.000But at the same time, we don't have this enlightened, like, you know, 10-year roadmap for where we want to be.
01:59:02.000Yeah, because we never think that way because we deal in terms.
01:59:14.000And again, this is back to this managerial idea run by managers that, you know, part of the reason why, you know, Zuck has complete control.
02:01:32.000Scale AI is data provider for OpenAI and Google.
02:01:37.000And what they do is OpenAI will say, I want the best law and legal data to train the best legal machine learning model.
02:01:48.000And they'll go to places where the labor costs are low, but maybe still well educated.
02:01:56.000There are places in Africa and Asia that are like that.
02:01:59.000And they'll sit them down and say, okay, you're going to get these tasks, these legal programming, whatever tasks, and you're going to do them and you're going to write your thoughts as you're doing them.
02:02:08.000I'm simplifying it, but basically that they collect all this data.
02:03:18.000Can you imagine that talent for $15 billion?
02:03:24.000Google recently bought a company for one known researcher who's One of the inventors of the large language model technology, Noam Shazir, for $3 billion, bought his company.
02:03:40.000They do these weird deals where they buy out the investors and they let the company run as a shell of itself and then they acquire the talent.
02:04:37.000Like, Zuck can give them $100 million and steal the best talent.
02:04:41.000And companies like OpenAI, which I love, but they go to small startups and give them $10 million to grab their talents.
02:04:51.000But it's very, very competitive right now.
02:04:55.000And there are, like, I don't know if these individuals are actually worth these billions of dollars, but the talent war is so crazy because everyone feels like there's a race towards getting to super intelligence.
02:05:10.000And the first company to get to super intelligence is going to reap massive amounts of rewards.
02:05:15.000How far away do you think we are from achieving that?
02:05:18.000Well, you know, like I said, my philosophy tends to be different than I think the mainstream in Silicon Valley.
02:05:24.000I think that AI is going to be extremely good at doing labor, extremely good at ChatGPT and being a personal assistant, extremely good at Replit being an automated programmer.
02:05:44.000But the definition of super intelligence is that it is better than every other human collectively at any task.
02:05:57.000And I am not sure there's evidence that we're headed there.
02:06:02.000Again, I think that one important aspect of superintelligence or AGI is that you drop this entity into an environment where it has no idea about that environment.
02:06:17.000And it's able to efficiently learn to achieve goals within that environment.
02:06:22.000Right now, there's a bunch of studies showing like, you know, GPT 4 or any of the latest models, if you give them an exam or a quiz that is slightly, even slightly different than their training data, they tank.
02:06:41.000I think the way that AI will continue to get better is via data.
02:06:46.000Now, at some point, and maybe this is the point of takeoff, is that they can train themselves.
02:06:54.000And the way we know how AI could train itself through a method called self-play.
02:07:02.000So the way self-play works is, you know, take for example, AlphaGo.
02:07:07.000AlphaGo is, I'm sure you remember Lisa Dole, a game between DeepMind, AlphaGo, and Lisa Dole, and it won in the game of Go.
02:07:17.000The way AlphaGo is trained is that part of it is a neural network that's trained on existing data.
02:07:24.000But the way it achieves superhuman performance in that one domain is by playing itself like millions, billions, perhaps trillions of times.
02:07:38.000So it starts by generating random moves and then it learns what's the best moves.
02:07:43.000And it's basically a multi-agent system where it learns, oh, I did this move wrong, and I need to kind of re-examine it.
02:07:49.000And it trains itself really, really quickly by doing the self-play.
02:07:53.000It'll play fast, fast games with itself.
02:07:58.000But we know how to make this in game environments, because game environments are closed environments.
02:08:05.000But we don't know how to do self-play, for example, on literature, because you need objective truth.
02:08:17.000In literature, there's no objective truth.
02:08:57.000And even an AI can generate sample problems.
02:09:01.000And then there's a test to validate whether the program works or not.
02:09:06.000And then you can generate all these programs, test them, and if they succeed, that's a reward that trains your system to get better at that.
02:09:17.000If it doesn't succeed, that's also feedback.
02:09:20.000And they run them all the time, and it gets better at programming.
02:09:23.000So I'm confident programming is going to get a lot better.
02:09:26.000I'm confident that math is going to get a lot better.
02:09:31.000But from there, it is hard to imagine how all these other more subjective, softer sort of sciences of the AI will get better through self-play.
02:09:47.000I think the AI will only be able to get better through data from human labor.
02:09:55.000If AI analyzes all the past creativity, All the different works of literature, all the different music, all the different things that humans have created completely without AI.
02:10:09.000Do you think it could understand the mechanisms involved in creativity and make a reasonable facsimile?
02:10:19.000I think it will be able to imitate very well how humans come up with new ideas in a way that it remixes all the existing ideas from its training data.
02:10:36.000But by the way, again, this is super powerful.
02:10:40.000The ability to remix all the available data into new, potentially new ideas or newish ideas because they're remixes, they're derivative, is still very, very powerful.
02:10:52.000But, you know, the best marketers, the best, like, you know, think of, you know, one of my favorite marketing videos is Think Different from Apple.
02:11:03.000Like, I don't think that really machines are at a point where they, like, I try to talk to ChatGPT a lot about like, you know, marketing or naming.
02:11:16.000And I, you know, but that's the thing.
02:11:21.000It's like, I just don't see, and look, I'm not an AI researcher and maybe they're working, they have ideas there.
02:11:28.000But in the current landscape of the technology that we have today, it's hard to imagine how these AIs are going to get better at, say, literature or the softer things that we as humans find really compelling.
02:11:43.000What's interesting is the thing that's the most at threat is these sort of middle-of-the-road Hollywood movies that are essentially doing exactly what you said about AI.
02:11:54.000They're sort of like, you know, they're sort of remixing old themes and tropes and figuring out a way to repackage it.
02:12:06.000But I think actually those tools in the hands of humans, they'll be able to create new interesting movies and things like that.
02:12:22.000This was the term that's used by JC Lick Leider, like the grandfather of the internet from ARPA.
02:12:29.000A lot of those guys kind of imagined a lot of what's going to happen, a lot of the future, and this idea of like human plus machine will be able to create amazing things.
02:12:39.000So what people are making with VO is not because the machine is really good at painting it at like generating it and making it.
02:12:47.000But it can't make it without the prompts.
02:12:49.000Like the really funny, like, yeah, without the prompts, like the Bigfoot finds Trent and they inject themselves with Trent, they start working out.
02:13:06.000I'm telling you, my TikTok feed is really wild right now.
02:13:12.000It's like this real weird, distorted human mind to come up with this.
02:13:21.000Have you seen the ones where it's Trump and Elon and Putin and they're all in a band?
02:13:27.000They're playing Credence Clearwater Revival.
02:13:44.000And it's interesting how quickly it can be made, too.
02:13:48.000Something that would take a long time through these video editors where they were using computer generated imagery for a long time, but it was very painstaking and very, you know, very expensive.
02:14:30.000And this is the really exciting thing about what we built with being able to program on your phone is being able to have that inspiration that can come anytime and just immediately pull out your phone and start building it.
02:15:36.000I used to squat, you know, 350 pounds.
02:15:42.000So now it's integrating Google Gemini model to kind of run through the video, analyze it, and it'll come up with score and then suggestions.
02:15:54.000And so again, this is like a random idea.
02:15:57.000I was like, okay, what would be interesting to do?
02:16:00.000This is a really interesting thing that people could use at the gym, though.
02:16:03.000Like, not just for squats, but maybe for chin-ups and all kinds of stuff.
02:16:07.000Like, oh, maybe, you know, I'm looking at your form, and this is what you need to do.
02:16:11.000Get a little lower, you know, make your elbows parallel to your body, whatever.
02:19:08.000But you can go over positions over and over and over and over again until they're in muscle memory, but you're not doing them at full strength, right?
02:19:18.000So say if you're doing drills, you would set up like a guard pass.
02:19:23.000You know, when you're doing a guard pass, you would tell the person, lightly resist, and I'm going to put light pressure on you.
02:19:30.000And you go over that position, you know, knee shield, pass, you know, hip into it, here's the counter, on the counter, darse, you know, go for the darse.
02:19:43.000The person defends the darse, roll, take the back.
02:19:46.000And just do that over and over and over again.
02:20:11.000But it's so interesting to see a super intelligent person apply that intelligence to jiu-jitsu.
02:20:18.000You know, one of interesting things when I started getting into, I've always been into different kinds of sports and then periods of extreme programming and obesity.
02:20:39.000But one thing that I found, especially in the lifting communities, how intelligent everyone are.
02:20:45.000They're actually almost like, you know, they're so focused, they're autistically focused on like form and program.
02:20:57.000And, you know, they spend so much time designing these spreadsheets for your program.
02:21:03.000Well, that's, people have this like really, we have this view of things physical, that physical things are not intelligent things, but you need intelligence in order to manage emotions.
02:21:20.000Emotions are a critical aspect of anything physical.
02:21:24.000Any really good athlete, you need a few factors.
02:21:28.000You need discipline, hard work, genetics, but you need intelligence.
02:21:32.000It might not be the same intelligence applied.
02:21:35.000People also, they confuse intelligence with your ability to express yourself, your vocabulary, your history of reading.
02:22:04.000In order to be disciplined, you have to understand how to manage your mind.
02:22:07.000Managing your mind is an intelligence.
02:22:10.000And the ability to override those emotions, to conquer that inner bitch that comes to you every time I lift that fucking lid off of that cold plunge, that takes intelligence.
02:22:21.000You have to understand that this temporary discomfort is worth it in the long run because I'm going to have an incredible result after this is over.
02:22:33.000Yeah, I haven't thought about intelligence in order to manage your emotions, but that's totally true because you're constantly doing the self-talk.
02:22:40.000You're trying to trick yourself into doing that.
02:22:42.000There are people that are very intelligent that don't have control over their emotions.
02:22:58.000It's critical to every aspect of your life.
02:23:01.000And it'll actually improve all those other intellectual pursuits.
02:23:04.000You know, to tie it back to the AI discussion, I think a lot of the sort of programmer researcher type is like they know that one form of intelligence and they over-rotate on that.
02:23:15.000And that's why it was like, oh, we're so close to perfecting intelligence.
02:23:49.000Basically, CBT is like a way to get over depression and anxiety based on self-talk and cues.
02:24:00.000I had to use it, again, I had like sleep issues.
02:24:02.000I had to use CBTI, cognitive behavior therapy for insomnia.
02:24:08.000And the idea behind it is to build up what's called sleep pressure.
02:24:17.000So you don't, first of all, you insomnia is performance anxiety.
02:24:27.000Once you have insomnia, you start having anxiety.
02:24:31.000But by the time bedtime comes, you're like, oh my God, I'm just going to, you know, torn over in bed and I'm just going to be in bed.
02:24:38.000And then you start associating your bedroom with the suffering of insomnia because you're sitting there and like, you know, all night and really suffering.
02:25:33.000And then finally, once you fall asleep, if you wake up in the middle of the night, which is another sort of form of insomnia, instead of staying in bed, you get up, you go somewhere else, you go read or do whatever.
02:25:44.000And slowly you program yourself to see your bed and, oh, like the bed is where I sleep.
02:27:12.000And I just watch, you know, patterns, how guys get out, stroke, how they use their stroke, like how different guys have different approaches to the game.
02:27:56.000I mean, I don't generally have anxiety, not like a lot of people do.
02:28:01.000I mean, when I say anxiety, I really feel for people that genuinely suffer from actual anxiety.
02:28:06.000My anxiety is all sort of self-imposed.
02:28:08.000And when I get online at night and I think about the world, my family's asleep, which is generally when I write in a, as long as I'm writing, I'm okay.
02:30:04.000And I feel like the more divergent disciplines that you have in your life, the more you understand what it is about these things that makes you excel and get better at them.
02:30:14.000And the more when I get better at those things, I get better at life.
02:30:22.000Yeah, this is another thing that AI now struggles with, which is called transform learning.
02:30:27.000Learning something from domain, like learning something from math on how to do reasoning on math and being able to do reasoning on politics.
02:30:33.000We just don't have evidence of that yet.
02:31:59.000Drink a gallon of milk a day, go mad, is undeniably the most effective nutritional strategy for adding slabs of mass to young underweight males.
02:32:07.000Milk is relatively cheap, painless to prepare, and the macronutrient profile is very balanced, and calories are always easier to drink than eat.
02:32:15.000Unfortunately, those interested in muscular hypertrophy rather, who are not young, underweight, and male, populations where GOMAT is not recommended, will need to put more effort into the battle to avoid excess fat accumulation.
02:32:31.000Body composition can be manipulated progressively, much like barbell training to achieve the best results.
02:32:36.000For example, the starting strength novice linear progression holds exercise selection frequency and volume variables constant.
02:32:44.000Every 48 to 72 hours, the load stressor is incrementally increased to elicit an adaptation in strength.
02:32:50.000If the load increase is too significant or insignificant, the desired adaptation won't take place.
02:35:57.000I had back pain since my late teens and the doctors want to, like, they did MRI and they found that there's a bit of a bulge and they want to do an operation on it.
02:38:00.000If you can bring up the Wikipedia page for salience network, because I don't want to get it wrong, but the salience network is a network in the brain that neuroscientists found.
02:38:11.000My doctor, Taddy Akiki, told me about this.
02:38:15.000The salience network gets reinforced whenever you obsess over your pains or your health issues.
02:39:16.000I had an Abigail Schreier and I was talking about that in regards to cognitive therapy, that there's a lot of people that obsess on their problems so much that their problems actually become bigger.
02:44:34.000And I'm like, okay, hacking takes a lot of time because you're coding, you're scripting, you're running scripts against servers and you're waiting.
02:44:43.000And I'm like, I'm just going to, to optimize my time, I'm just going to do this DaVinci thing where four hours, by the way, there's a Seinfeld episode where, what's his name, The Crazy Guy in Seinfeld?
02:45:10.000But anyways, I was able to hack into the university by working for weeks using polyphasic sleep and was able to change my grades.
02:45:21.000And initially, I didn't want to do it on myself, but I had a neighbor who went together to school and I was like, let's change this grade and see if it actually succeeds.