The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2349 - Danny Jones

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00:00:13.000 It's so fucking weird to be sitting here, bro.

00:00:16.000 So strange.

00:00:18.000 I feel like I've been like a video game observer, and now I'm like in the video game.

00:00:22.000 Are we on?

00:00:25.000 You kind of are.

00:00:26.000 I mean, it's weird.

00:00:27.000 It's weird for me.

00:00:29.000 You know?

00:00:30.000 Yeah, bro.

00:00:30.000 Well, thanks for thank you for being like the number one promoter of my YouTube channel over the past couple weeks, bro.

00:00:38.000 My pleasure.

00:00:38.000 It's great stuff, man.

00:00:39.000 I watch it all the time.

00:00:40.000 You're really good.

00:00:41.000 You got great shows, man.

00:00:42.000 I appreciate that.

00:00:43.000 And I get good guests from your show.

00:00:45.000 Like, there's a couple people that have been on your show that I've had on my show.

00:00:48.000 Yeah.

00:00:48.000 Chris Dunn was the first dude, I think.

00:00:48.000 Yeah.

00:00:50.000 And then you recently had Mary Bowdoin and a few others.

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 Christopher Dunn, man, that was a wild one.

00:00:57.000 And now that they found these structures underneath the pyramid, it's kind of validating a lot of the things these people were saying.

00:01:03.000 You know, there's a lot of controversy about what those structures are and what it means and how accurate the readings are.

00:01:10.000 But they do know that those satellite images were able to show very accurately this one tomb that was 50 feet underground.

00:01:18.000 And it showed the dimensions of this one tomb.

00:01:21.000 So I don't know what the capabilities are, if it really can decipher what's under two kilometers of, you know, whatever is underneath Giza.

00:01:30.000 But there's something going on for sure.

00:01:32.000 Yeah, I had a dude on my show a couple weeks ago who was explaining how that was a part of some YouTube channel that put something together in Italy, I think it was.

00:01:40.000 And the people that were involved with it were promoting some sort of technology that had something to do with penetrating the ground, some like different kind of LIDAR or something like this.

00:01:52.000 What is it called?

00:01:53.000 Something?

00:01:53.000 Tomography?

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:55.000 Jimmy, see what it's called.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:57.000 But these guys just did another explanation of it, like another deep dive where they did this presentation and showed it.

00:02:05.000 It's very convincing.

00:02:06.000 There's a lot of people that are 100% on board.

00:02:08.000 I mean, it remains to be seen.

00:02:10.000 It has to be vetted.

00:02:11.000 But according to some people that I trust that really understand the technology, they said there's absolutely something there.

00:02:20.000 Whether or not the problem is they made those 3D detailed images of what it looked like, like sort of an artist rendition.

00:02:28.000 And you looked at those and it's got like the coils and the spirals.

00:02:32.000 It looks a little too much.

00:02:33.000 I don't know what that is.

00:02:34.000 You could see there are coils around those columns, but what are they?

00:02:38.000 Are they stairs?

00:02:39.000 Is it like a coil that generates like an energy coil?

00:02:43.000 Like something that conducts electricity or carries electricity?

00:02:46.000 It's a solid state electron harvester.

00:02:46.000 Like, what is it?

00:02:49.000 Is that what they say?

00:02:50.000 That's what Chris Dunn says.

00:02:51.000 I don't know.

00:02:51.000 Oh.

00:02:52.000 Did you talk to him about what's underneath?

00:02:52.000 I don't know.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, he thinks that the whole thing, his new book, which is called The Tesla Connection, basically explains that it's a, he thinks that there was like a device in the subterranean chamber, like a hammer that hammered the earth.

00:03:08.000 And then the plane, the Giza Plateau is like, is active, seismically active area.

00:03:14.000 And when it hammers the earth, it creates many earthquakes.

00:03:17.000 You're familiar with this, right?

00:03:18.000 Right.

00:03:18.000 And it vibrates all the limestone.

00:03:21.000 All the limestone, and it's got like this hammer, this effect, like doom, doom, doom.

00:03:25.000 And it creates some sort of a vibration in the granite and the limestone.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:30.000 Okay.

00:03:32.000 The Overcome is author has analyzed micromovements within the pyramid, typically induced by background seismic waves to achieve high-resolution, full 3D tomographic images of its interior, imaging of its interior and subsurface.

00:03:46.000 The approach rendered the pyramid transparent, allowing for the reconstruction of internal objects and the discovery of previously unseen structures.

00:03:54.000 So if it works and shows the actual internal structure of the pyramid accurately, and it can accurately depict that one, the one, was it a temple or what was it that was, I feel like it was a temple.

00:04:11.000 It was 50 feet underground.

00:04:12.000 It had the exact interior dimensions of it.

00:04:15.000 There's probably something to it, and we're going to find out eventually, hopefully.

00:04:18.000 You think?

00:04:19.000 I don't know, man.

00:04:20.000 These guys, guys like Zawi Hawass and these gatekeepers of this information, they do not want any groundbreaking new discovery to come out.

00:04:30.000 They really don't.

00:04:31.000 Especially something like that.

00:04:32.000 If you really find out there's giant columns underneath the pyramid and that there's these structures that go down two kilometers into the ground, like all bets are off then.

00:04:44.000 Try explaining that away for people that live 2,500 BC.

00:04:48.000 That's kind of kooky.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 I mean, you know, the mystery of the pyramids and, you know, moving those blocks and building that fucking thing that long ago is crazy on one hand.

00:04:58.000 But then on the other hand, those fucking granite vases that are so precise within like the deviation of a human hair.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, this is a 3D print of one of them that Christopher Dunn gave me.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, it's insane.

00:05:10.000 It's insane.

00:05:10.000 They measured these on light scanners at like a huge aerospace corporation somewhere.

00:05:15.000 And they found out like it's so symmetrical, you couldn't make this unless you had a CNC machine.

00:05:20.000 Right.

00:05:20.000 And then how would you make the handles?

00:05:22.000 Right, exactly, because it's a part of it.

00:05:24.000 It's not like you can even turn it on a lathe.

00:05:24.000 Right.

00:05:26.000 Right.

00:05:26.000 And it's accurate.

00:05:28.000 How many thousandths of a human hair?

00:05:31.000 Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, I think it's like one one-thousandth of a human hair, like completely undetectable.

00:05:36.000 Bananas.

00:05:37.000 And then there's also some of those sculptures that they made that look like they're 3D printed.

00:05:42.000 I mean, they're incredible.

00:05:44.000 Perfectly symmetrical on the left side and the right side.

00:05:46.000 And we don't really understand it.

00:05:48.000 And we don't know what technology they were using, what kind of tools they were using.

00:05:53.000 And it's hard to know, man.

00:05:55.000 It's hard to know.

00:05:57.000 When they burned the Library of Alexandria and they destroyed all the records, there's so much missing from the history of Egypt and how they did what they did.

00:06:07.000 Just moving the stuff.

00:06:08.000 How did you move it?

00:06:10.000 How did you move those fucking enormous stones?

00:06:12.000 Like, what did you do?

00:06:14.000 Have you heard of this dude named Jeffrey Drum?

00:06:17.000 He has a channel called The Land of Chem.

00:06:19.000 He lives in Egypt.

00:06:20.000 He lives like, I think right across the street from the pyramids.

00:06:23.000 And he's basically got this very interesting theory that it was all chemical manufacturing.

00:06:32.000 And the pyramids were chemical manufacturing plants.

00:06:35.000 And I am going to like butcher this description, but I'm going to do my best.

00:06:38.000 Basically, what he found was that in a bunch of the other pyramids, like the red pyramid and some of the other pyramids, he's been in there and gone through them all.

00:06:47.000 And he's basically, what they describe when they go in there is this smell, which some people equate to being like bat shit.

00:06:56.000 But what he thinks is going on is it's creating some sort of like a chemical reaction in those chambers to create fertilizer.

00:07:03.000 Because there's a subterranean chamber below those where they have like all kinds of, they were putting shit in there, like animal shit down there.

00:07:10.000 And then there's also these like ravines, these like cut out channels that come out of the bottom of the pyramid and there's these bowls that were supposed to collect like chemicals.

00:07:20.000 So he has this really elaborate theory on how, which I, when I heard him tell me this, it made so much sense.

00:07:27.000 But the problem was like, it makes sense.

00:07:30.000 It seems super reasonable, but like why build these massive structures that are so precise just to make chemicals?

00:07:40.000 And, you know, he was explaining like the agriculture and like why they needed to create fertilizer.

00:07:45.000 And why'd they need the massive stone structure to create fertilizer?

00:07:50.000 Right, exactly.

00:07:51.000 Isn't it possible that things also had one, like they built them and then someone used them later on for different purposes?

00:08:00.000 Isn't that possible as well?

00:08:02.000 I think so.

00:08:02.000 Like instead of it being built for that, like maybe they just used it for that eventually?

00:08:07.000 That's possible.

00:08:08.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 But it seems like the way he was describing the interior, though, of that, of the red pyramid was like it was reverse engineered to actually create the chemical that they would have needed to enhance the agriculture of the area.

00:08:23.000 Like they showed it.

00:08:23.000 They actually created it in a lab with like using the chemical process.

00:08:28.000 I think there was like some Nazi scientists involved in this, of course.

00:08:32.000 Of course.

00:08:33.000 The recreation of it.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 Well, Christopher Dunn's stuff was all about them creating hydrogen, right?

00:08:39.000 Yeah.

00:08:40.000 That's what he felt.

00:08:41.000 Like the whole thing was generating hydrogen.

00:08:43.000 And that's what he thought.

00:08:45.000 The whole those columns that went down, those passages that went down, and then there was the porous limestone that was at the end that seeped through.

00:08:54.000 And he believed that this was all like some sort of a chemical reaction that they had to doing this.

00:09:01.000 What is here, Jamie?

00:09:02.000 Oh, the Red Pyramid was, okay, built as a power plant to produce ammonia from methane and nitrogen.

00:09:06.000 That's what it was.

00:09:09.000 Fritz Haber won the Nobel Prize about a century ago.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, the Haber process.

00:09:14.000 Fritz Haber's a crazy story.

00:09:15.000 Do you know that story?

00:09:16.000 No.

00:09:17.000 Okay.

00:09:18.000 Fritz Haber, he devised a method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere.

00:09:26.000 And for that, he was winning a Nobel Prize at the same time in which he was being wanted for war crimes because he also created Zyklon gas. 0.74

00:09:37.000 So he created the gas that they were using to spray on the Allies. 0.78

00:09:42.000 So they would get this gas and spray it with fans.

00:09:46.000 This was the first time they'd ever done something like this before, used gas in warfare.

00:09:50.000 And they used, and he was a Jew, and they used, he created Zyklon A, which was then converted to Zyklon B. So Zyklon A had a very disgusting smell to it, so you knew it was coming. 0.99

00:10:05.000 And then Zyklon B they used during the Holocaust to gas the Jews. 0.86

00:10:10.000 And it had no smell.

00:10:11.000 So they, yeah.

00:10:13.000 So I think it was initially made as a pesticide.

00:10:17.000 I think that was the initial.

00:10:19.000 Here's what it says there.

00:10:23.000 Oh, this is different.

00:10:24.000 Oh, this is different.

00:10:24.000 We're not talking this as different.

00:10:25.000 Fritz Haber says about how the Egypt things would have been this.

00:10:28.000 Okay, well, we'll get to that.

00:10:29.000 But the Fritz Haber thing, you know, he was eventually exiled from Nazi Germany because he was Jewish.

00:10:38.000 Like, they allowed him to stay initially in the beginning because he was so valuable because he had done so much and because he did create this gas that they were using to gas the Allies.

00:10:48.000 And then, you know, but imagine, guys, up for a Nobel Prize at the same time where he's wanted for war crimes.

00:10:57.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 And because he was doing all this, his wife commits suicide.

00:11:02.000 She shoots herself in the chest. 0.97

00:11:05.000 He leaves her and his 13-year-old son to go to the front line while she's struggling for her life, like she's still alive.

00:11:13.000 She eventually dies.

00:11:15.000 He leaves her.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, the whole thing's horrific.

00:11:18.000 And then he dies on the run.

00:11:20.000 So he dies.

00:11:21.000 I think he had a heart complication, which, duh, how much trust was that guy under?

00:11:26.000 And then he leaves Nazi Germany when, you know, the shit is going down.

00:11:26.000 Right.

00:11:31.000 He's on the run and he winds up dying on the run.

00:11:33.000 I think he was dying on his way to try to seek medical care.

00:11:37.000 Yeah, bro.

00:11:38.000 That, I mean, the story of what those fucking Nazis were doing is bananas.

00:11:43.000 It's insane.

00:11:44.000 You had Annie on here and she talked about what was going on when she tried to interview some of those guys that were still in Germany.

00:11:50.000 I think she tried to interview like the grandson of one of the dudes that she wrote about.

00:11:56.000 I can't remember his name right now, a dude with like a huge dueling scar on his face.

00:11:59.000 And this guy like wanted nothing to do with his father or whatever.

00:12:03.000 And, you know, she had these documents that she found when she went to Germany.

00:12:10.000 And she was like, I guess she found a bunch of notes or whatever that he wrote to his son when he came after he went to America with paperclip.

00:12:18.000 And his grand, or this was his grandson, I think.

00:12:21.000 Operation Paperclip for people listening is they shipped over a bunch of the best Nazi scientists and brought him into NASA and some other departments at the end of the war. 0.74

00:12:30.000 And the grandson wanted nothing to do with his father.

00:12:33.000 He like detested him, his father, with every fiber of his being.

00:12:37.000 And she was showing him the notes and like showing him like the humanity of the guy.

00:12:40.000 The guy was torn between like being this scientist contracted to do all this crazy shit for America, but he still loved his wife and son on the other hand.

00:12:50.000 And he was like, he was so just torn apart by the fact that he had to leave them behind.

00:12:55.000 And then she showed the dude the documents.

00:12:57.000 And then Annie Jacobson freaking high-tailed it out of there with all that secret Nazi Shit, like, didn't get caught, which is incredible. 0.79

00:13:04.000 Well, it's just wild the stuff they were working on.

00:13:07.000 Like, how were they so advanced?

00:13:09.000 And why were they so obsessed with the occult?

00:13:11.000 Yeah, you know, it's like all that Indiana Jones stuff that was kind of legit.

00:13:16.000 Like, they were really interested in the occult.

00:13:20.000 Interdimensional aliens.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 What's Alex thinking?

00:13:23.000 Interdimensional child lusters.

00:13:25.000 I haven't talked to him about that.

00:13:26.000 We have talked about Operation Paperclip, but only in regards to like Wernher von Braun.

00:13:31.000 And, you know, they were in like deep denial about that.

00:13:33.000 But the Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Werner von Braun was alive today, he would be prosecuted.

00:13:39.000 He'd be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, when he was running his rocket factory in Berlin, he would take the five slowest Jews and hang them from the front of the factory so that as you're walking in, like, this is what happens if you move slowly. 0.92

00:13:55.000 And that was the head of NASA who supposedly got us to the moon.

00:14:00.000 Speaking of the moon.

00:14:03.000 Have you seen that documentary called Room 237?

00:14:07.000 Yes.

00:14:07.000 I just watched it last night.

00:14:08.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 Fucking banana.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, that's bananas.

00:14:12.000 The connections between Kubrick's the shining and the moon landing and all the hidden stuff that he did, all the Easter eggs, including the little boy with the NASA shirt on, the Apollo shirt on.

00:14:23.000 The Apollo 11 shirt on, and then the key to the room 237 said room N, instead of NO 237, it said room N 237.

00:14:32.000 So you could, bro, I mean, I am like.

00:14:35.000 What does that mean?

00:14:36.000 So like if you take the letters R O O M and then N, you can recombobulate them to say moon.

00:14:43.000 Oh, God.

00:14:44.000 Like there's so much dot connecting in that fucking, in that documentary.

00:14:47.000 It's absurd.

00:14:48.000 There's an absurd level of dot connecting that just is unreasonable.

00:14:53.000 But the stuff about the moon, though, like the kid wearing the Apollo 11 shirt, right?

00:14:57.000 The number of the door is the distance from the earth to the moon in miles.

00:15:01.000 Yeah.

00:15:02.000 Thousands of miles.

00:15:03.000 Yep.

00:15:03.000 I think it's like a thousand miles short.

00:15:05.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 And then like also the psychological trauma, the scenes with Jack and his wife saying like, don't you know what a contract is?

00:15:14.000 Where he's like living his double life and he's like arguing with his wife and talking about contracts and secrecy and all this stuff.

00:15:22.000 And then, you know, there's that, there's so many weird things and like that ball rolls up to Danny on the carpet and then it cuts and then it cuts back to him.

00:15:30.000 Like picks up the ball and the carpet shape is different.

00:15:33.000 There's so many like strange streams in there.

00:15:36.000 What's that supposed to signify?

00:15:38.000 I have no idea.

00:15:39.000 It's just like another, it's just either that movie has like an insane level of like continuity errors or he was doing something.

00:15:47.000 Oh, he was probably doing it on purpose.

00:15:49.000 You know, Kubrick in his spare time would do complex mathematics.

00:15:52.000 In his spare time.

00:15:54.000 Yeah.

00:15:54.000 He was like a legitimate genius.

00:15:57.000 And it's amazing that he pulled off the greatest science fiction movie of all time, especially at the time, during the exact same time period where the moon landings were filmed.

00:16:09.000 And the stuff from 2001 is more sophisticated.

00:16:13.000 It looks better than the stuff from the moon landings.

00:16:15.000 So the idea that you couldn't fake it.

00:16:18.000 It's like, yeah, that guy could fake it.

00:16:20.000 100% he could fake it.

00:16:21.000 And if they hired him to fake it, if they brought him aboard, the idea that he wouldn't be able to keep secret, like, of course he could.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, people keep secrets.

00:16:30.000 This idea that people can't keep secrets because some people can't keep secrets.

00:16:34.000 Like, listen, high-level military guys keep secrets all the fucking time.

00:16:37.000 They go to the grave with those secrets.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, they swear to secrecy.

00:16:41.000 They swear to an oath.

00:16:42.000 You know, they have top secret clearance and above and whatever it is.

00:16:45.000 And they don't say shit forever.

00:16:46.000 Their whole fucking family doesn't know what they're doing.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:53.000 The thing about the, like, if you think the moon landing was fake, you're a moron.

00:16:57.000 But it's like, the thing about it is if they, even if you want to say they did go to the moon, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that they would have had a backup plan in case they couldn't get there?

00:17:12.000 Like, like have some sort of a video footage that they shot or whatever?

00:17:15.000 Well, not only that, they filmed a lot of training footage.

00:17:18.000 They definitely tried to pass some of that training footage off as legit.

00:17:22.000 That's proven.

00:17:23.000 Like the Michael Collins from Gemini, I forget what mission it was.

00:17:30.000 It was a spacewalk.

00:17:31.000 So there's an image of him that was in training.

00:17:36.000 And, you know, he's got the suit on and the wires.

00:17:38.000 And he's, you know, working with the spacesuit that you use when you're actually in outside of the capsule or whatever the fuck they call it.

00:17:48.000 And what they did was from the training mission, they just blacked out the exterior of the same photo and reversed it.

00:17:54.000 So they switched the photo the other way, blacked, it's the exact same photo, the exact same photo, and they tried to pass it off as Michael Collins on the spacewalk.

00:18:03.000 Because you got to think, like, how are they taking pictures?

00:18:05.000 Who's going to take the picture of them out there?

00:18:07.000 This is part of the problem with, I think it was Apollo 12 or 13, whichever one it was, where they got the footage of the lunar module leaving the moon and going back towards the orbiter.

00:18:24.000 And it looks so fake.

00:18:25.000 It looks so fake.

00:18:26.000 It looks so ridiculous.

00:18:27.000 There's no plumes of fire.

00:18:31.000 How does it have the power?

00:18:32.000 Where's the engine?

00:18:33.000 They usually call car batteries, right?

00:18:35.000 On that thing, allegedly.

00:18:36.000 That's what Bart Sobrell says.

00:18:38.000 It's still one-sixth of Earth's gravity.

00:18:39.000 It's still a significant amount of gravity.

00:18:41.000 It's not the same gravity as Earth, but how does that thing shoot off into space?

00:18:46.000 Like, that's nonsense.

00:18:48.000 It looks like it's being pulled by strings.

00:18:50.000 And the camera, which is operated remotely, pans perfectly to catch it.

00:18:56.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:18:57.000 And how are you getting that footage?

00:18:58.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:18:59.000 This is 1969.

00:19:00.000 You're on the phone with Richard Nixon from the moon.

00:19:04.000 Are you out of your fucking mind?

00:19:05.000 Is this supposed to be real?

00:19:06.000 Yeah.

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00:20:14.000 Right in the middle of Operation Paperclip, MK Ultra, the Cold War, all the fucking deception that was going on, all the secrets.

00:20:21.000 They lied about everything.

00:20:24.000 That was the time in history where they probably had the most fucking lies.

00:20:27.000 Vietnam War.

00:20:27.000 They lied about everything.

00:20:29.000 So the idea that they didn't lie about this one thing, the moonlanding, was all 100% legit.

00:20:35.000 Meanwhile, you've got intersecting shadows.

00:20:37.000 You've got all sorts of problems.

00:20:38.000 You've got the weirdest one is Neil Armstrong's 25th anniversary speech that he gave at the White House.

00:20:47.000 That one's so crazy.

00:20:48.000 We have here among us America's best and brightest.

00:20:52.000 You will achieve great things.

00:20:55.000 Once you reveal some of truth's hidden layers.

00:20:58.000 Once the hidden layers are uncovered.

00:20:59.000 What?

00:21:00.000 How about just say I went to the moon 25 years ago?

00:21:02.000 Like, what is all this cryptic talk?

00:21:04.000 That was the only time he ever did a public talk, I think, about it.

00:21:06.000 Well, the other thing is the post-flight press conference.

00:21:09.000 The post-flight press conference looks like these guys have a gun to their head.

00:21:12.000 It looks like a hostage video.

00:21:13.000 It looks so weird.

00:21:15.000 And people say, oh, they were nervous.

00:21:16.000 They just got back from the moon.

00:21:18.000 Bro, look at Katy Perry.

00:21:20.000 She went basically a little bit higher than an airplane, and it was like a life-changing experience.

00:21:25.000 She's holding up a daisy.

00:21:26.000 It was amazing.

00:21:28.000 I feel so connected to Mother Earth.

00:21:30.000 You know, like these guys would have been ecstatic.

00:21:33.000 The idea that they would have been nervous as if they've been forced to lie, they're behaving.

00:21:38.000 Like behavior experts have looked at that footage and said, these guys are being deceptive.

00:21:43.000 Particularly Michael Collins.

00:21:43.000 Yes.

00:21:45.000 There's also inconsistent things with what he said during the pro-flight press conference right after flying in comparison to his 1994 book.

00:21:53.000 Change the story, right?

00:21:54.000 Changes the story about being able to see the stars.

00:21:57.000 What were the stars like?

00:21:58.000 And he's like, I don't know.

00:21:59.000 Don't remember.

00:22:01.000 And then in the 1994 book, he talks about how amazing they were and incredible.

00:22:06.000 The footage that Sabrell acquired that shows that it appears that they covered up the windows to make this deceptive film that looks like they're far into space.

00:22:18.000 That's a weird one, man, because I can't find any rational explanation.

00:22:24.000 I tried to look at it like as objectively as possible because I've gone back and forth on the moon thing.

00:22:28.000 Like at one point in time, I thought I'm just being really stupid.

00:22:32.000 Like, of course they went to the moon.

00:22:33.000 Everybody would know about this.

00:22:34.000 And then over time, like I joked about it in my comedy special, like after COVID, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon.

00:22:39.000 But that's kind of true.

00:22:41.000 Like once I saw the level of deception that was willfully pushed forth during COVID and how many people were cooperating with this and like how many organizations, government organizations were cooperating, knowing that they lied, knowing that these were lies.

00:22:56.000 I'm like, yeah, they can lie about all kinds of things.

00:22:59.000 And this is today with the internet.

00:23:01.000 You know, like, look, where's the Epstein files?

00:23:04.000 Can't find them.

00:23:05.000 Don't exist.

00:23:06.000 Like, they can get away with shit, man.

00:23:09.000 And the idea that they couldn't in 1969, shut the fuck up.

00:23:13.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:23:14.000 They could fake that.

00:23:15.000 It'd be easier to go to the moon than it would be to fake it.

00:23:20.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:23:21.000 No, it wouldn't.

00:23:22.000 Not if you physically can't get a human being through the Van Allen radiation belts without them dying.

00:23:28.000 They never even flew a chicken through those fucking things and had it come back alive.

00:23:31.000 Russia flew a dog and it came back and died two days later, I think.

00:23:35.000 But they didn't even go to deep space.

00:23:37.000 No, I think they just went into the belt and then did a U-turn.

00:23:41.000 Bro.

00:23:42.000 No one's even been close.

00:23:44.000 Have you seen the, I'm sure you've seen this.

00:23:46.000 The photo of Jolly West hanging out on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey?

00:23:51.000 No.

00:23:52.000 You haven't seen it?

00:23:53.000 Oh.

00:23:54.000 Oh, that's amazing.

00:23:55.000 Should I send it on?

00:23:56.000 Fuck yeah, send it to Jamie.

00:23:57.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:58.000 Do you have his number?

00:24:00.000 No.

00:24:01.000 But you could probably Google it.

00:24:04.000 It's probably.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, see if you can find it if you Google it.

00:24:06.000 Yeah, just Jolly West, Stanley Kubrick, 2001 Space Odyssey.

00:24:10.000 It's a photo of them walking between the sound stages.

00:24:13.000 And it's a wide shot of a bunch of dudes.

00:24:15.000 Listen, man.

00:24:17.000 Of course.

00:24:20.000 Of course they would contact Kubrick if they wanted to go to the moon and fake it.

00:24:23.000 And of course if Kubrick was...

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:30.000 When I was a kid, when I was in high school, we were terrified of Russia bombing America.

00:24:36.000 Everyone was like really concerned.

00:24:37.000 And Russia was the great enemy. 0.88

00:24:39.000 You know, the video of Khrushchev yelling, we will bury you.

00:24:43.000 Like, that was like burned into every American child's mind.

00:24:47.000 And if you were a patriot and you wanted to defeat Russia, we have a strategy to defeat Russia, and this is what we're going to do. 0.85

00:24:54.000 First of all, we're going to bankrupt them by just making them spend to keep up with us.

00:24:58.000 And they don't have a capitalist society.

00:25:01.000 So they don't really have a GDP.

00:25:04.000 Well, they have a GDP, but they don't have the same sort of corporate structure that we have in America where they're striving and innovating and developing new things.

00:25:11.000 The companies are getting bigger and there's more growth.

00:25:13.000 No, they're a communist.

00:25:14.000 They were a communist country.

00:25:16.000 So everything was like food lines.

00:25:17.000 And they didn't have the kind of money that we have.

00:25:21.000 It wasn't even close.

00:25:22.000 So Reagan essentially bankrupted them.

00:25:25.000 And then, you know, during the time, and, you know, all the other people before him as well, but during the time where they were developing these rocket ships, the Russians were way more advanced than us in basically every single thing.

00:25:38.000 They got to space first, put the first man in space, put the first satellite in space, and they couldn't even come close to putting a guy on the moon.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 It's amazing.

00:25:48.000 It's incredible also that there was never another nuke that was sent to anybody after the after Fat Man Little Boy.

00:25:55.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:25:57.000 It is really insane to think about sometimes.

00:25:59.000 Yeah, that's one of the great achievements of human beings.

00:26:04.000 We did it once and we said, let's not do that again.

00:26:06.000 Annie's book about nuclear war scared the living shit out of me, bro.

00:26:09.000 Yeah, it's a good one.

00:26:09.000 Oh, God.

00:26:10.000 How she said that we have 11 interceptor missiles in the U.S. That's it.

00:26:15.000 A total, I think it's 11 or maybe 22.

00:26:18.000 Or no, it's 44.

00:26:19.000 44.

00:26:19.000 40.

00:26:19.000 Russia has 5,000 missiles.

00:26:21.000 And the problem with it is like if a rogue nuke got launched from North Korea from one of their submarines, it would have to fly over the North Pole right towards us.

00:26:30.000 And as soon as they launch it with all of our satellite systems that we can detect the thing, the rocket burner going into orbit, we'll know within five minutes of them launching it, probably before.

00:26:40.000 And then we literally have to, I guess the way she described it was our policy is once that nuke is launched, we have to empty our silos, our ICBM silos, because they're stationary.

00:26:52.000 They can't, if they're hit, they're going to try to take us out at those ICBM sites.

00:26:55.000 That's going to be like one of their first targets.

00:26:57.000 So it's user or loser.

00:26:58.000 You have to launch all those ICBM nukes, and then we have to fly those over the North Pole, over Russia to hit North Korea. 0.84

00:27:05.000 And it takes like 11 minutes.

00:27:07.000 So like you got to get Putin on the phone in 10 minutes saying, yo, these nukes aren't coming for you, bro.

00:27:12.000 They're going for Kim Jong-un.

00:27:13.000 Oh, my God.

00:27:14.000 And then by that time, it's like, if you don't have like perfect communication amongst all these world leaders, everyone's going to be launching nukes.

00:27:22.000 Well, you know the story about that one Russian military guy that was the reason why Russia didn't launch a retaliatory strike?

00:27:28.000 Because there was a error.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 There was an error, and they thought the United States had launched a missile towards Russia, and they were ready to respond.

00:27:36.000 Wow.

00:27:37.000 That's Jolly West in the background, bro.

00:27:39.000 It's unconfirmed if it was him.

00:27:40.000 I don't know if anyone confirmed it.

00:27:42.000 If you can find a young man, zoom in on him.

00:27:44.000 Let's zoom in on him right here.

00:27:46.000 I saw the video where someone's talking about it.

00:27:47.000 Oh, that's him, bro.

00:27:48.000 I don't know.

00:27:49.000 What are you talking about?

00:27:50.000 You don't know.

00:27:51.000 Jamie works for the government, bro.

00:27:53.000 Jamie's CIA.

00:27:55.000 That's 100% him.

00:27:56.000 Look at that picture.

00:27:57.000 Now go to the other picture you just showed.

00:27:59.000 That's Jolly West.

00:27:59.000 That's him.

00:28:00.000 Yeah, that's him, dude.

00:28:01.000 Nothing to see here.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, that is 100% him.

00:28:04.000 That's the exact same face.

00:28:07.000 Shut the fuck up, Jamie. 1.00

00:28:08.000 Corroborate it.

00:28:08.000 Find another one.

00:28:10.000 I don't think so.

00:28:11.000 Out of all the people that I wish were alive that I could talk to, Kubrick is number one on that list.

00:28:16.000 Really?

00:28:17.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:28:18.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.000 First of all, he made some of the most impactful.

00:28:21.000 Well, I would like to talk to Jolly West, too, if he'd be willing.

00:28:24.000 Fuck.

00:28:24.000 There'd be a few people.

00:28:25.000 See, I feel like they look the same.

00:28:27.000 Dude was everywhere.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, that looks like him, Jamie.

00:28:30.000 It looks similar.

00:28:31.000 Yeah, it looks like him.

00:28:32.000 It doesn't look like that guy.

00:28:33.000 Look at the far left photo.

00:28:33.000 Look at that guy.

00:28:35.000 I mean, it seems pretty close.

00:28:37.000 Jamie, that's him.

00:28:38.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:28:39.000 Hairline is identical.

00:28:40.000 Jamie's a party poop, bro.

00:28:40.000 Look at the hairline.

00:28:42.000 Jamie's a total party poop.

00:28:44.000 I'd like to pick it up.

00:28:45.000 One good evidence.

00:28:46.000 There's a little part right here on that guy's head, and that guy's combined.

00:28:48.000 Oh my god, he combed his hair different.

00:28:50.000 Crazy.

00:28:53.000 I hate when facts don't line up with my theory.

00:28:55.000 The part in the second one is exactly the same.

00:28:57.000 That one right there is exactly the same.

00:28:59.000 He started losing his hair and he started doing a little bit of a comb over.

00:28:59.000 It is.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:04.000 Look, man, that guy was one of the biggest pieces of shit in the history of the United States government.

00:29:09.000 What he did was nuts.

00:29:11.000 Just the fucking Manson stuff was nuts.

00:29:13.000 The MK Ultra stuff was unbelievable.

00:29:16.000 And imagine you could do all this stuff.

00:29:18.000 No one's investigating you.

00:29:19.000 No one even knows.

00:29:20.000 It's all completely top secret.

00:29:22.000 Congress has no idea you even exist in this realm.

00:29:25.000 And they were running around doing like...

00:29:30.000 I'm like, dude, isn't that crazy all the stuff they were doing with MK Ultra?

00:29:33.000 Hamilton's like, uh, no.

00:29:36.000 Of course those guys were doing that shit.

00:29:38.000 Hamilton Morris.

00:29:38.000 Who's Hamilton?

00:29:39.000 Oh, Hamilton.

00:29:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, that guy, of course.

00:29:42.000 I'm like, of course they were doing that, bro.

00:29:45.000 Yeah.

00:29:46.000 Well, I mean, look, if you have some unique compound like LSD and, you know, it gets, you know, Hoffman discovers it, and then they start experimenting, like, what can we do with this stuff?

00:29:57.000 And then you find it has profound effects on the human mind.

00:30:00.000 Of course, you're going to try to use it for mind control.

00:30:03.000 They had already experimented with all sorts of techniques in regards to doing it with prisoners, like taking prisoners and trying to figure out like what kind of sleep deprivation, what psychological techniques can you use to extract information from them.

00:30:20.000 So if you had something like LSD, of course they're going to try that.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:24.000 Makes sense.

00:30:25.000 They were doing it way back in the 50s in the UK with those British soldiers.

00:30:28.000 I'm sure you've seen that video.

00:30:30.000 You never seen that?

00:30:30.000 No, I have not.

00:30:31.000 No.

00:30:31.000 They dosed up these soldiers with acid and then had them go out in the field and do these training routines, training exercises.

00:30:37.000 No, no.

00:30:38.000 And they couldn't do it.

00:30:40.000 See if you can find the video.

00:30:41.000 It's hilarious.

00:30:42.000 They were just laughing so hard they couldn't perform.

00:30:45.000 Like some of them were able to do their duties and other ones just fell to the ground.

00:30:48.000 They were just laughing and rolling around on the ground.

00:30:51.000 Like this is them.

00:30:52.000 This is 64.

00:30:53.000 These guys are high on assets.

00:30:54.000 Is that what it says, Jamie?

00:30:56.000 Did you just make it smaller again so you can see it?

00:30:59.000 Yeah, 64.

00:31:01.000 Royal Marines.

00:31:02.000 So look at these poor guys.

00:31:03.000 The men begin to relax and giggle.

00:31:06.000 What the fuck are we doing here, bro?

00:31:08.000 They probably didn't even tell them, and this guy freaked out.

00:31:10.000 He had to be removed.

00:31:11.000 He's holding that lady's hand.

00:31:12.000 I love you.

00:31:12.000 I think you're amazing.

00:31:13.000 We're all connected.

00:31:14.000 God is real.

00:31:16.000 There is no death.

00:31:20.000 And he's aiming the missile.

00:31:23.000 He's like, he's aiming this fucking cannon.

00:31:27.000 Look at these people.

00:31:29.000 Note they're bunching indecision as they enter a wood.

00:31:32.000 Almost immediately, section commander tried to use a map.

00:31:35.000 He couldn't read the map.

00:31:37.000 They're just tripping balls. 1.00

00:31:39.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:40.000 It's so funny that they try.

00:31:41.000 Look at their smile on their face.

00:31:42.000 These guys, the guy's got his hand over his head like, what is going on, man?

00:31:47.000 And then supposed to be doing these exercises.

00:31:49.000 Radio communication difficult, if not impossible.

00:31:52.000 He's like, fuck this.

00:31:54.000 Unfucking real.

00:31:56.000 Look at them.

00:31:56.000 This guy's just laying down, laughing, having so much fun.

00:32:01.000 I try to chop a tree down using only a spade.

00:32:05.000 You know, sense of responsibility in spite of physical illnesses.

00:32:09.000 But one hour into.

00:32:12.000 Imagine what they're doing now.

00:32:13.000 Those guys are dead.

00:32:14.000 There's a The DARPA, that DARPA grant that went to University of North Carolina to figure out how to take the psychedelic trip out of LSD, I think it was.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 They're trying to make super soldiers, right?

00:32:26.000 They're trying to make them so they can, this is what I've heard, is that they are trying to make them more effective on the battlefield with things like edge detection and also coming back, like get back out there, like take them through the process, let them recoup and get right back out in the battlefield to where,

00:32:45.000 you know, if you could get all the benefits of a psychedelic without the trip, would you get those benefits and would it be useful for soldiers in combat?

00:32:57.000 You know, it's an interesting idea.

00:32:58.000 Well, the Vikings took mushrooms and the berserkers, they would take mushrooms before combat.

00:33:05.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 I mean, it does make sense.

00:33:09.000 It really does.

00:33:10.000 It doesn't make sense to us because we think of mushrooms as like, you know, hey, man, I'm going to go connect with God and it's going to be peaceful.

00:33:16.000 I'm going to lay in a field.

00:33:17.000 It's going to be amazing.

00:33:18.000 I'm going to reset and come back and tell everybody I love them.

00:33:20.000 You know, that's what mushrooms are to us.

00:33:22.000 But if you live in an insanely warlike culture and you believe it's right to go to battle and you're supposed to go to battle and Odin is on your side and you take these mushrooms to summon the strength of the gods and to prepare yourself for battle.

00:33:37.000 And I know a lot of guys who fight on mushrooms.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:41.000 Really?

00:33:42.000 Like Joe Schilling talked about on the podcast.

00:33:45.000 He fought, he took like a small dose and was sparring and then fought a few kickboxing bouts that way.

00:33:52.000 He said he could see what guys were doing before they were doing it.

00:33:56.000 It's almost like he could, and Joe Schilling's a world champion, like an elite kickboxer.

00:34:00.000 Like one of the best ever.

00:34:02.000 And so for a guy like that to say that it had a profound effect on him, he knows.

00:34:06.000 He knows his body.

00:34:07.000 Like he's battle-hardened.

00:34:09.000 He knows the difference between regular fighting and fighting on mushrooms.

00:34:14.000 He said he could see, he could almost like know what they were going to do before they did it.

00:34:17.000 That's wild.

00:34:19.000 There's this dude who is like, I heard about Dana Beale, who's flying Ibogaine to the troops in Ukraine, to the Ukrainian troops, trying to get those guys on Ibogaine.

00:34:28.000 And meanwhile, the Russians are on, what's that meth drop? 0.92

00:34:32.000 There's like a new age meth that they're on.

00:34:33.000 There's a new age meth?

00:34:34.000 Yeah, there's a new version of it.

00:34:35.000 The new version of what the Nazis are. 0.93

00:34:36.000 It's not Purviton.

00:34:37.000 It's like a new version of it.

00:34:38.000 It's like a little bit, it's a little bit tamer.

00:34:41.000 Adderall, I guess.

00:34:42.000 Maybe.

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00:35:40.000 Maybe like super Adderall.

00:35:42.000 Adderall teams have a million prescriptions of Adderall given in this country every year.

00:35:47.000 Gavin McGinnis told me before I came here, I was like, you got any advice for Joe Rogan?

00:35:51.000 He's like, he said, slam three beers and eat an Adderall.

00:35:58.000 I was like, no, bro.

00:35:59.000 That's not like what he would do.

00:36:00.000 Yeah.

00:36:01.000 Do you ever see the time he came in dressed like Michael Douglas walking down?

00:36:05.000 Of course.

00:36:06.000 Walking.

00:36:07.000 What is it?

00:36:07.000 What was the movie?

00:36:08.000 I forget the name of the movie, but yeah.

00:36:10.000 Freaked out.

00:36:11.000 Michael Douglas had enough.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 No, he slams beers 24-7.

00:36:17.000 He's constantly drinking Budweiser.

00:36:20.000 I've never seen him without a Budweiser in his hand.

00:36:22.000 It works?

00:36:23.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 He's great.

00:36:24.000 Oh, he's a smart guy.

00:36:26.000 Yeah.

00:36:26.000 He's a funny guy, too.

00:36:27.000 He just...

00:36:28.000 The Proud Boys thing was just...

00:36:35.000 Like, you think about Steve Bannon, all these other guys, he's way funnier than any of those guys.

00:36:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:40.000 He's very insightful.

00:36:41.000 Like, he's right about a lot of things.

00:36:42.000 He picks up on trends and culture and sees where people are going.

00:36:46.000 And he was aware of the dangers of Marxism and a lot of this fucking ridiculous leftist ideology that they were pushing in universities way before anybody else was.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, there was this documentary that just came out all about him from one of the guys, Thomas, that used to work for Vice.

00:37:03.000 He was one of the original reporters for Vice.

00:37:06.000 He did all the early stuff.

00:37:08.000 And he made this documentary all about Gavin.

00:37:11.000 And it's like focuses on the transformation from early punk rock, like liberal Gavin in the UK with like the mobs and the rockers to like the current Gavin, which is like, you know, he frames him as just like this super right-wing racist dude.

00:37:26.000 And, you know, I was asking Gavin about it because he came on the podcast recently.

00:37:31.000 And he's like, I've always been the same.

00:37:33.000 He's like, he was explaining that his views never changed.

00:37:37.000 He was saying that like vice all of a sudden was getting infused with millions of corporate dollars.

00:37:44.000 And I wasn't a good look for that.

00:37:46.000 They didn't want me in there.

00:37:47.000 But meanwhile, he was like the whole soul of vice.

00:37:50.000 Like if there was no Gavin, there was no vice.

00:37:53.000 Like all the controversial do's and don'ts shit and like all those controversial articles about like trans and trans shit early in like the early 2000s that he was doing was funny.

00:38:03.000 And like culture didn't look at it the way it looks at it today, you know?

00:38:06.000 Well, he was being attacked for things that are like openly discussed today, like the dangers of trans ideology and that these are just men. 0.54

00:38:14.000 And a lot of these men are doing it because they're perverts.

00:38:17.000 And so they're autogynophilics.

00:38:19.000 And, you know, autogynophilia is a real thing.

00:38:21.000 It's men who get sexually aroused and pretending that they're women and they want to go into women's spaces and be sexually aroused. 0.60

00:38:28.000 You know, now people are saying that openly, right?

00:38:31.000 Like was it, what was the university that Leah Thomas was swimming in?

00:38:36.000 Penn.

00:38:37.000 Penn?

00:38:38.000 Okay, so they have to take away all of air quotes, her gold medals.

00:38:43.000 It's a guy, like, has a penis, has sex with women, supposedly, according to Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:38:48.000 That's my number one source of news.

00:38:50.000 But he actually has a bit about it.

00:38:52.000 It's really funny.

00:38:53.000 But the university now has to apologize to all the women that were forced to compete with him and say they fucked up and never do it again, and not allow biological men to compete with women, which is like it should be, that should be a left-wing perspective. 0.94

00:39:10.000 Not that you shouldn't be able to be trans.

00:39:12.000 Of course, you should be able to do whatever you want.

00:39:14.000 I'm for you doing whatever you want if you don't hurt other people.

00:39:17.000 If you really believe you're a woman, and look, if you can get fake tits and you can get fake lips and you can get a dick enlargement and like, do whatever you want to do. 0.93

00:39:24.000 Do whatever you want to do.

00:39:24.000 I don't care.

00:39:25.000 I'm covered with tattoos.

00:39:26.000 I've made stupid decisions.

00:39:28.000 Like, do whatever you want to do.

00:39:29.000 But when you're competing with women, you are essentially victimizing these women.

00:39:34.000 You're forcing these women to compete with men who've been through puberty and in this case still have a functional penis, like, which is fucking bananas. 0.77

00:39:42.000 That's a man.

00:39:43.000 And just because you think you're a woman, physically, we know there's a difference. 0.76

00:39:47.000 I didn't know it was a giant problem until there was that fighter, Fallon Fox, who had competed twice against women without letting them know that this person was a biological male for 30 years, fathered a child, the whole deal.

00:40:02.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

00:40:04.000 And that his response was, it's a medical condition, so I don't have to disclose this.

00:40:09.000 You know, it's medical information, which is just horseshit.

00:40:12.000 It's crazy.

00:40:14.000 And when I was saying that, I got attacked like over and over and over again.

00:40:17.000 I go, whoa, this is from the left.

00:40:21.000 Like the left has no problem with a mentally ill man beating the shit out of women, falsely claiming that they're not even allowing these women to know.

00:40:32.000 These women think they're going to go compete in a low-level MMA fight. 1.00

00:40:36.000 Like a lot of them didn't look good.

00:40:37.000 They didn't look like they were well-trained.

00:40:40.000 And they're competing against a biological man without having any idea.

00:40:44.000 One of them got a fractured skull.

00:40:46.000 You know, it's like, that's when I would realize, like, oh, this is just a cult.

00:40:50.000 This isn't the left that I grew up with.

00:40:52.000 You know, I grew up with parents that were hippies.

00:40:55.000 And so like my whole life I was left-wing.

00:40:57.000 I felt like that was the only way to be.

00:40:59.000 But when you see the left allowing this bizarre loophole where perverts can pretend to be women, compete with women, fight with women, beat them up, be in their locker rooms, walk around naked with their dick hanging out.

00:41:14.000 No one can say anything.

00:41:15.000 Like, how did they switch?

00:41:17.000 How did they flip it on its head that?

00:41:19.000 Like, at any other time in history, if a man had a penis was walking through a young girl's locker room, you'd be in real fucking trouble.

00:41:27.000 Rightly so.

00:41:28.000 Because that's not a thing that you should want to do.

00:41:31.000 That's a weird thing to want to walk around naked with your dick hanging out in front of a bunch of women.

00:41:35.000 That's a creepy sexual thing, period.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, unless you're like Nero, you're not doing that.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 Even Nero.

00:41:42.000 Sick fuck. 0.99

00:41:43.000 But like another thing Gavin was pointing out, he showed me this New York Times, or not New York Times, this Time magazine cover from like a couple months ago.

00:41:50.000 And it was all about how tomboys are going extinct.

00:41:54.000 You've seen that?

00:41:55.000 It's incredible.

00:41:55.000 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, because they're turning them all into their books.

00:41:57.000 They're cutting their tits off and turning them into boys. 1.00

00:41:59.000 They're cutting their tits off. 1.00

00:42:00.000 And then giving them fake dicks. 0.99

00:42:02.000 I was watching this operation today.

00:42:04.000 You watched an operation?

00:42:06.000 Excuse me, I should say this.

00:42:06.000 I was watching a video on the post-op.

00:42:09.000 I saw images of the operation.

00:42:10.000 That was enough.

00:42:11.000 But it was this poor person who decided they wanted a P standing up. 0.71

00:42:15.000 That was all they wanted from this fake dick.

00:42:16.000 So they have these enormous scars on their leg where they take a giant chunk of flesh out of your thigh and roll it up and make a penis out of it. 0.55

00:42:25.000 And they had to do it to both legs for some reason.

00:42:27.000 Maybe one of them didn't work real well.

00:42:29.000 But how old was this person?

00:42:31.000 They sounded young.

00:42:31.000 They didn't show their face.

00:42:33.000 You know, it's fucking insane because a lot of these people, unfortunately, are autistic. 0.71

00:42:39.000 And then there's this other factor when you give them testosterone, it does alleviate anxiety because all of a sudden, you know, you have this new hormone in abundance in your system.

00:42:49.000 And you feel different.

00:42:50.000 You feel better.

00:42:50.000 You feel more confident, which is like the same way men feel when they have more testosterone.

00:42:54.000 It's like, then all of a sudden you're like, oh, this is who I was all along.

00:42:56.000 Like, no, no, no.

00:42:57.000 You're taking a fucking compound that's forcing your body to change.

00:43:01.000 Like, this is not who you were.

00:43:03.000 You're not affirming your identity.

00:43:04.000 You're doing something that's altering your hormonal structure and turning you into a man. 0.75

00:43:10.000 Like, it might feel good, but this is not like your true self.

00:43:14.000 This is crazy.

00:43:15.000 Like, I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it.

00:43:17.000 If you want to do it, if you're a woman and you want to take testosterone and be a man or be more manly, I feel like I don't know if it's the best decision for you, but I'm not you. 0.92

00:43:27.000 And I believe in freedom.

00:43:28.000 I believe in 100% human freedom as long as you're not hurting other people.

00:43:33.000 My beef with it is like it translated into them invading women's spaces. 1.00

00:43:38.000 And, you know, that's crazy.

00:43:41.000 That's crazy because you leave the loophole for perverts.

00:43:46.000 There could be a lot of them that legitimately trans people that feel like they are in the wrong body and they want to live their life as a woman. 0.99

00:43:55.000 And when they live their life as a woman, they feel healthier. 0.98

00:43:57.000 They feel better.

00:43:57.000 They're happier.

00:43:59.000 And also crazy people.

00:44:01.000 And if you don't have a way of determining who is just a pervert who just wants to hang out in the women's locker room and show everybody his dick, and who is a legitimate person with gender dysphoria. 0.55

00:44:12.000 And that's the other thing that Tucker had a really good point about this.

00:44:16.000 He said if someone has anorexia, you don't tell them, yeah, you're fat.

00:44:20.000 Yeah, you're fat.

00:44:21.000 You're right.

00:44:22.000 You're correct.

00:44:22.000 Even though you look like a skeleton, you need to lose weight.

00:44:24.000 No, you tell them you're mentally ill.

00:44:27.000 This is incorrect.

00:44:28.000 You're not overweight.

00:44:29.000 In fact, you have body dysmorphia.

00:44:31.000 You can't see what you really look like, which we know is a real condition.

00:44:35.000 Like, it's a real condition with anorexia.

00:44:38.000 It's even a real condition with bodybuilders.

00:44:40.000 It's a real condition.

00:44:41.000 A real condition when people get plastic surgery, where they get crazy lips and crazy cheeks, and they can't see it.

00:44:46.000 They can't see it.

00:44:46.000 They can't see themselves.

00:44:48.000 It's nuts.

00:44:49.000 They turn themselves into all these girls looking like Jar Jar Binks walking around. 1.00

00:44:53.000 They look like monsters.

00:44:54.000 They look like monsters.

00:44:55.000 And it doesn't look good.

00:44:56.000 And they keep tweaking and fucking with it.

00:44:58.000 And they can't see it because it's a mental illness.

00:45:01.000 It's the same kind of thing.

00:45:03.000 The human mind is incredibly fragile.

00:45:06.000 That's why Jolly West was fascinated with trying all these MK Ultra techniques and different compounds on people's brains because human people can be manipulated very easily, shockingly easily.

00:45:18.000 Not all of us, right?

00:45:20.000 Like you and me are probably pretty skeptical.

00:45:21.000 There's a lot of skeptical people out there, but there's a bunch of people that are not skeptical at all.

00:45:25.000 They're super gullible.

00:45:26.000 And when an ideology forms, they step in line And they follow that ideology verbatim to the line.

00:45:35.000 They'll repeat the things that they're supposed to say to the line because they think that's what they're supposed to do in order to be in the good graces of this community that they find themselves in.

00:45:42.000 It's a fucking cult.

00:45:43.000 And there's a shit ton of cults.

00:45:45.000 It's not just the Moonies.

00:45:47.000 It's not just, you know, whatever, fill in the blank.

00:45:50.000 It's all sorts of political ideologies.

00:45:52.000 It's MAGA.

00:45:54.000 It's the far left.

00:45:55.000 It's the people that are cheering for this guy in New York City that's a communist.

00:46:00.000 Oh, didn't he just promise a bunch of money for transition?

00:46:03.000 Yay! 0.99

00:46:04.000 Hooray! 0.97

00:46:05.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

00:46:06.000 Government-run grocery stores and all that stuff.

00:46:07.000 But he didn't win yet.

00:46:08.000 He won the primary.

00:46:09.000 He's got to win.

00:46:10.000 He has 100% because the other guy is the fucking Guardian Angels guy.

00:46:14.000 The other guy is Curtis Sliba, the guy who wears the goofy beret.

00:46:18.000 Oh, really?

00:46:19.000 Yeah, that's the guy who won the Republican side.

00:46:21.000 Nobody wants to be a Republican mayor of New York City because they know they can't win.

00:46:27.000 Oh, he's way to the left.

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:28.000 And he's young, and he's energetic, and he's saying all the right things for all these kids that are in the streets that are protesting, you know, that think they want to make the world a better place, which, hey, I would have been doing it with you if I was 20.

00:46:39.000 It's all the same thing, man.

00:46:40.000 It's all the same thing.

00:46:41.000 You can get indoctrinated into a particular way of thinking without being objective about what's actually going on.

00:46:46.000 You know, all these people that are like just running through the street now saying free Iran.

00:46:53.000 Like, yeah, free Iran from a dictatorship.

00:46:55.000 Absolutely.

00:46:56.000 But if you're saying, like, wear scarves over your head and being forced to do what the Iranian government wants you to do and live like they live over there, no, they don't live free. 0.95

00:47:05.000 Like, they assassinated the fucking Olympic gold medalist in Russia, in wrestling, rather, in Iran, because he was protesting against the government.

00:47:14.000 They'll take national heroes and kill them openly.

00:47:17.000 Like, it's not a good place to live.

00:47:19.000 You know, I'm not saying we should bomb them, but like being in support of Iran, the Iranian people, yeah, for sure.

00:47:25.000 But that government is nuts, man.

00:47:28.000 It's like, you know, trans people for Hamas. 0.99

00:47:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:33.000 Like, there's people that are just, they're not seeing what you're talking.

00:47:37.000 They're not seeing the big picture.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, there's so many contradictions out there, man.

00:47:41.000 It's really hard to follow it all.

00:47:42.000 It's because it's a cult.

00:47:44.000 And I think a huge amount of the Iranian population supports Israel, too.

00:47:48.000 And it's like, you would never fucking know that unless you talk to them or listen to some of these interviews of these people.

00:47:53.000 A ton of Persian Jews that moved to Los Angeles.

00:47:57.000 That was like at the fall.

00:47:58.000 I guess it was in the 70s when.

00:48:01.000 So this is the story for people that don't know about Iran.

00:48:04.000 So there was a gentleman who was democratically elected.

00:48:08.000 I forget his name.

00:48:09.000 What is his name?

00:48:10.000 Moga Mat.

00:48:12.000 I'm going to fuck it up.

00:48:13.000 So he decided that he was going to nationalize oil in Iran.

00:48:18.000 And they got him out like that.

00:48:20.000 They installed the Shah and turned it into an Islamic dictatorship, but they had access to the oil. 0.96

00:48:25.000 So the CIA and the British government and everybody conspired to get rid of this democratically elected guy because Iran at the time was like, women were wearing shorts or skirts rather, walking down the street. 0.52

00:48:39.000 It looked cool.

00:48:40.000 Here it is.

00:48:42.000 Mohammed Mossadegh. 0.70

00:48:44.000 Mossadegh.

00:48:45.000 Mossadegh.

00:48:46.000 Okay.

00:48:46.000 So let's zoom in on the story here.

00:48:48.000 It says, Iranian prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh was removed from power in a coup organized and financed by British and U.S. governments.

00:48:57.000 The Shah quickly returned to take power and signed off over 40% of Iran's oil fields to U.S. companies.

00:49:04.000 It's crazy, man.

00:49:05.000 It's like, it's so transparent.

00:49:07.000 They didn't even wait a couple of years.

00:49:08.000 They didn't even, well, the Shah's in power now. 0.81

00:49:10.000 We'll see how things go.

00:49:12.000 No, they immediately came in and signed everything off.

00:49:15.000 1953, the CIA and British intelligence orchestrated a coup d'état that toppled the democratically elected government of Iran.

00:49:22.000 The government of Mohamed Mossadegh, the aftershocks of the coup are still being felt.

00:49:27.000 51 Prime Minister Mossadegh roused Britain's ire when he nationalized the oil industry.

00:49:32.000 So the oil, they weren't making money off the oil.

00:49:36.000 They were making money, but not as much money as the British were.

00:49:42.000 It had been exclusively controlled by the Anglo-Iranian oil company.

00:49:46.000 The company later became known as the British Petroleum.

00:49:48.000 This time is different, though.

00:49:50.000 BP, which is the same people that dumped all the oil in the Gulf.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:49:54.000 After considering military action, Britain opted for a coup d'etat.

00:49:54.000 That's BP.

00:49:58.000 President Harry Truman rejected the idea, but when Dwight Eisenhower took over the White House, he ordered the CIA to embark on one of its first covert operations against a foreign government.

00:50:07.000 And Iran's been fucked ever since. 0.99

00:50:10.000 I mean, we've been doing stuff like that.

00:50:11.000 Not we, not you and I, not me and Danny Jones.

00:50:14.000 We're going to say.

00:50:15.000 But the United States government, especially the intelligence agencies in the days before they assassinated Kennedy, they were doing all kinds of wild shit.

00:50:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:26.000 We're done now.

00:50:27.000 They don't do that shit anymore.

00:50:27.000 We don't do that anymore.

00:50:28.000 They definitely don't.

00:50:29.000 No.

00:50:30.000 They don't give a shit about the oil over there.

00:50:30.000 It was never.

00:50:32.000 No, this government's America first now.

00:50:33.000 We're legit.

00:50:34.000 America first.

00:50:38.000 It's a crazy history.

00:50:39.000 And when you don't know the history, you're like, why are we mad at the Iranians?

00:50:43.000 Well, why are they mad at us?

00:50:44.000 Okay.

00:50:45.000 Like, what did we do to them?

00:50:46.000 Like, how did these Islamic jihadists come to power? 1.00

00:50:51.000 Like, where did it all start?

00:50:52.000 Well, go back to the Mujahideen. 1.00

00:50:55.000 We literally changed their definition of jihad.

00:50:58.000 Like, we wanted them to become suicide bombers.

00:51:01.000 We wanted them to do things and martyr themselves.

00:51:05.000 So it was the original definition of jihad, look this up, but I'm pretty sure it was a war against your own vices.

00:51:13.000 Really?

00:51:13.000 Yep.

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 The idea was you were trying to be a good Muslim, a pure Muslim. 0.99

00:51:20.000 You were trying to avoid impure thoughts, no alcohol, all these different things.

00:51:25.000 And they twisted that around with jihadists through the CIA and Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen to fight off the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan.

00:51:38.000 Like, Osama bin Laden was our guy.

00:51:40.000 He was working for us.

00:51:42.000 And he's like, these fucking people suck.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, there was a story how his painter.

00:51:46.000 It was a struggle against the enemies of Islam, a spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

00:51:52.000 Greatest jihad. 0.97

00:51:53.000 It sounds great.

00:51:54.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:51:55.000 A spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

00:52:00.000 Yeah, I mean, just reading it, it sounds like it.

00:52:04.000 So it seems like it's more than one definition.

00:52:06.000 There's probably so many battles.

00:52:07.000 The other one is declared a jihad against the infant.

00:52:10.000 Scroll back down again.

00:52:11.000 A Struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam. 0.90

00:52:14.000 So it's two things.

00:52:16.000 But they made it, you know.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 They did a lot of mind fucking to those people, and they put them on a war that they couldn't win again to try to do the same thing that they were doing with the rocket program, with everything else.

00:52:30.000 They were trying to outspend the Soviets.

00:52:32.000 They were trying to bankrupt them.

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 That part of the world is just like, how much of it has to do with the fact that we've been occupying that part of the world for so long and like going out there, killing all the bad guys, and then the kids seeing their families being slaughtered.

00:52:50.000 And then like, okay, we're going to eliminate terrorism.

00:52:52.000 Let's take out these bad guys.

00:52:53.000 But then the kids grow up and you realize it's just the Hydra.

00:52:57.000 You cut the head off and three grow back.

00:52:59.000 Well, if you want to be even more cynical, we pay them and we arm them.

00:53:04.000 Yes.

00:53:04.000 And we left behind billions of dollars of shit in Afghanistan that they use for parades now.

00:53:10.000 They drive down the street with our tanks.

00:53:13.000 They have our Blackhawks flying overhead.

00:53:16.000 That's all the shit we left.

00:53:17.000 Billions of dollars.

00:53:18.000 Like, you couldn't have got that out?

00:53:21.000 Well, do you think they leave it there so that these people are always formidable and they always leave open the door to go back in?

00:53:27.000 I think so.

00:53:29.000 I don't think that's the primary reason why they did it.

00:53:32.000 But I've got to assume that that would be on the table if it's been on the table in the past.

00:53:37.000 Arming people in the past has always been a thing that we do.

00:53:40.000 I mean, there's a Bill Hicks joke about Iraq.

00:53:43.000 You know, it's like, they have the most deadly weapons.

00:53:46.000 How do you know?

00:53:46.000 Well, we looked at the receipts.

00:53:51.000 I butchered the joke, but we've always been doing that.

00:53:55.000 Of course.

00:53:56.000 We've done that forever.

00:53:57.000 Yeah, what's the favorite Bill Hicks joke, at least I'm not like a historian on Bill Hicks, but the one where he's talking about the sock puppets?

00:54:04.000 He's like, yeah, I like this guy on the right.

00:54:06.000 He seems like he fits my ideas.

00:54:08.000 He's like, I seem to fancy the guy on the left.

00:54:09.000 He's like, what the fuck?

00:54:10.000 The same guy's holding both the puppets.

00:54:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:13.000 Yeah, I mean, that's perfect.

00:54:14.000 It perfectly illustrates the way it is.

00:54:16.000 And again, this was before we really knew things.

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:19.000 This was Bill Hicks was saying this in the 1990s where he just had books.

00:54:23.000 So, you know, it was really hard to get these ideas across.

00:54:27.000 He would have been a great podcast guest.

00:54:29.000 Oh, hell yeah.

00:54:30.000 You know, because he was saying these things when no one even knew what he was saying, you know, and he was putting it into comedy.

00:54:38.000 You know, like people then were not nearly as aware of the manipulation of money in power.

00:54:45.000 They really thought, a lot of people thought, that the will of the people, you know, the president, we got to get a good president in there that's looking out for us.

00:54:52.000 And they didn't really understand that it's all being bought and paid by special interest groups, large corporations, huge donors.

00:54:58.000 And that when the guy gets in there, he's just representing the same thing no matter what.

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 The amount of reading and insight and learning that that guy was, a lot of those dudes were able to do back then pre-internet is astonishing.

00:55:11.000 And to be able to like internalize and process those ideas and rework them with draft after draft and refine it into like the most perfect way to communicate it to people to where it lands, you know, it's just, it's fucking crazy.

00:55:24.000 And in today's day and age, it's almost like you would think it would be easier with all of the access to information, but it seems like it might even be harder because there's just too much information.

00:55:33.000 Like last night, listening to you talk was fucking incredible, dude.

00:55:36.000 Like listening to how you were at the end doing the Q ⁇ A with the crowd, you're like, ah, I ran out of jokes.

00:55:42.000 Who wants to ask me questions?

00:55:42.000 And like you were just on another gear, dude.

00:55:46.000 It's like you're so high octane and you're so like up to speed with everything that's happening around the world at all times.

00:55:53.000 It's it's mind-blowing to me how you're able to do this stuff, how you're able to stay up and do comedy late, do podcasts every day and be like up to speed with all the news and like have like thought out, like thought through a lot of these things that just happened yesterday.

00:56:07.000 I'm just fascinated by that, dude.

00:56:08.000 Well, that's all I do, you know, when you do, when you only pay attention to fascinating things, like things that are interesting to you.

00:56:15.000 And they're also interesting to the audience.

00:56:17.000 But I mean, I don't have a regular job, right?

00:56:19.000 So this is my job.

00:56:21.000 It's my job to kind of pay attention to stuff.

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 You know, and have opinions on things.

00:56:24.000 And then the tricky thing is taking those opinions and trying to make them funny, you know, trying to like put it in a way that's going to be hilarious on stage.

00:56:33.000 What do you think about this Diddy thing that just happened this morning?

00:56:36.000 Kind of crazy.

00:56:38.000 I'll tell you what, Kurt Metzger called this from the beginning.

00:56:41.000 And especially when he found out that Comey's daughter was going to be the judge.

00:56:46.000 Did you know that?

00:56:47.000 No, I did not know that.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:48.000 Yeah.

00:56:49.000 Wasn't she the same judge on the Ghelane Maxwell case?

00:56:52.000 I think so.

00:56:54.000 Oh, yes, I did hear that.

00:56:55.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 Bro, where's the videos?

00:56:58.000 They were telling us that the video is going to come out, incredibly high-profile people doing horrendous things, evil things.

00:57:03.000 People are going to go to jail.

00:57:04.000 People are going to be shocked.

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:07.000 Where?

00:57:07.000 Right.

00:57:08.000 Nothing.

00:57:08.000 Well, zero.

00:57:09.000 My thing about the Diddy thing is like, I don't really give a fuck.

00:57:14.000 These people are all, they're of age.

00:57:16.000 They're over, they're like 18 years old.

00:57:19.000 And is it shitty what he's doing trying to like use people and leverage them and to do these weird sexual things and like sick shit?

00:57:28.000 Just the most sick shit you could possibly think of.

00:57:31.000 But like the way I look at it is these people are using this Diddy stuff.

00:57:36.000 All it does is like take away from the real child trafficking that's going on with like underage kids.

00:57:44.000 Right.

00:57:44.000 There's like what 300,000 something like missing kids like talking about Diddy and his oil parties with these 18 year olds.

00:57:52.000 Like do I think it's good?

00:57:53.000 No.

00:57:54.000 I want to beat up their dad, but other than that, I don't really give a fuck if there's like 18 to 19 year olds that are doing this stuff as long as they're not being like actually like physically raped.

00:58:03.000 But I mean, it seems like what's going on is just like this weird cultish thing where they slowly get creep closer and closer and closer to this thing.

00:58:13.000 Like, oh, I'm here now.

00:58:14.000 All these famous people are here.

00:58:16.000 They're doing this.

00:58:17.000 Elaborate parties, lots of money, everything you want.

00:58:20.000 The golden carrot at the end of the stick.

00:58:22.000 So the thing is, he's not even being charged for any of the things you just brought up.

00:58:26.000 He's not being charged for blackmail, which is kind of crazy.

00:58:29.000 Because What did they do?

00:58:31.000 Why did they tell us that there was all these videos of all these high-profile people and then silence?

00:58:36.000 And then it never comes up once during the trial.

00:58:39.000 There's none of that stuff in the trial.

00:58:40.000 In the trial, it was his ex-girlfriend, Cassie.

00:58:43.000 They were talking about...

00:58:50.000 It's like nothing stuff.

00:58:51.000 It's like stuff that he's going to go to jail for like five years, if at all, and probably won't.

00:58:56.000 And he's already been in jail for, so like, what is time served now?

00:58:59.000 It's over a year, right?

00:59:00.000 No, I think he's going to walk, dude.

00:59:00.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:59:02.000 I don't think he's going to spend any time.

00:59:02.000 I think he's going to walk.

00:59:03.000 And this is what Kurt Metzger called a long time ago.

00:59:06.000 As soon as he saw that it was Comey's daughter, he was like, oh, he's going to walk.

00:59:11.000 Trust me, he's going to walk.

00:59:12.000 There's a bunch of high-profile people that are connected to this.

00:59:15.000 They're covering it all up.

00:59:16.000 If he goes down, they go down.

00:59:17.000 So he's not going to go down.

00:59:19.000 So that's the thing.

00:59:21.000 If he really did have really wealthy, high-profile people at his parties, which we know he did, Diddy prosecutors abandoned multiple allegations against rapper days before trials end.

00:59:32.000 Hey, he says, hey, remember I called it?

00:59:34.000 This is Kurt Metzger on Twitter.

00:59:36.000 Because James Comey's daughter is the prosecutor.

00:59:38.000 Remember how well she swept up on the Gislane trail?

00:59:42.000 Hey, who else called it?

00:59:42.000 Yep.

00:59:44.000 Yep.

00:59:44.000 I can't be the only one.

00:59:45.000 Yeah, he called it.

00:59:46.000 He called it.

00:59:48.000 He called it in the fucking green room of the mothership right when he found out.

00:59:53.000 He goes, he's going to walk.

00:59:54.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:59:55.000 Have you heard these charges?

00:59:57.000 He's going to go to jail.

01:00:00.000 Nope, Metzker was right.

01:00:02.000 Yep.

01:00:02.000 And then we, I don't know what happened with the family.

01:00:04.000 And you don't think they could fake the moon landing?

01:00:07.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:00:09.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:00:11.000 They got videotape, and then all of a sudden they don't.

01:00:14.000 You had the director of the FBI on this show saying there's no tape.

01:00:17.000 If there was, nothing you're looking for is on those tapes.

01:00:21.000 Like, what?

01:00:21.000 Why did they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible shit?

01:00:26.000 Why did they say that?

01:00:28.000 Didn't Pam Bondi say that? 0.65

01:00:30.000 Are you talking about Epstein or Diddy?

01:00:31.000 Yeah, Epstein.

01:00:32.000 Yeah, she said it literally, I think, a week before you had the FBI director sitting here telling you there was nothing, right?

01:00:37.000 She said something about that there was like thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible crimes.

01:00:43.000 And didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing?

01:00:43.000 There is.

01:00:46.000 Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for.

01:00:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:00:50.000 Okay.

01:00:51.000 I mean, what am I going to do?

01:00:52.000 I'm going to push back.

01:00:52.000 Right, no, of course.

01:00:53.000 Obviously, he's saying what he has to say.

01:00:56.000 Right.

01:00:56.000 Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos.

01:01:01.000 Tens of thousands.

01:01:02.000 Jesus Christ.

01:01:04.000 I'll tell you what.

01:01:07.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:08.000 Was reviewing tens of thousands of videos the wealthy financier with children or child porn.

01:01:16.000 The comment made to reporters of the White House days after a similar remark to a stranger with a hidden camera raised the stakes for President Donald Trump's administration to prove it has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents or just Bombay Ran.

01:01:30.000 And everybody forgets it.

01:01:31.000 Just Bombay Ran. 0.97

01:01:32.000 Yeah.

01:01:32.000 Everybody forgets about it.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, it seems crazy that we're just like it.

01:01:37.000 Like you would, I would think just Trump's demeanor, his MO towards other countries, like if we're the ones funding them, giving them all this money and they're trying to fight a war, like typically he would be putting his boot on their neck, like, listen, you motherfucker, like he's talking shit, right?

01:01:52.000 Like you have to do what I want you to do.

01:01:54.000 And it just seems like, and now I think it just came out a couple days ago that they're trying to prosecute Netanyahu, right?

01:02:05.000 And then Trump's helping with it, I think, trying to help him, Netanyahu, and that, and that whole rigmarole.

01:02:11.000 But they're trying to try him while he's in office.

01:02:15.000 And I think that...

01:02:18.000 And they decide to go through with it.

01:02:18.000 Right.

01:02:20.000 Yeah.

01:02:21.000 And I think something came out, I think, a couple days ago.

01:02:23.000 I could be wrong, but I was listening to Dave Smith talk about how Trump was actually helping him through this.

01:02:29.000 I don't know.

01:02:30.000 I could be wrong.

01:02:30.000 Okay, here it says, during a Fox News channel interview in February, Bondi suggested an alleged Epstein client list was sitting on her desk.

01:02:37.000 Yeah.

01:02:39.000 Well, the list is one thing, right?

01:02:40.000 I mean, there's so many people on the list that are probably innocent, but I dare.

01:02:45.000 They just went to the island for a party.

01:02:47.000 There's got to be a fucking hard drive.

01:02:49.000 Sitting in Tel Aviv right now.

01:02:49.000 There's got to be.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, that's the listen.

01:02:52.000 What's the other part of this too?

01:02:54.000 They asked Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers what they're...

01:03:00.000 He had like 100 cameras in that penthouse in every single house.

01:03:05.000 Do you know his house is for sale in New York?

01:03:07.000 That's amazing.

01:03:08.000 Yeah.

01:03:09.000 They've got a podcast studio.

01:03:10.000 No, my wife found it on Trulia or whatever it is.

01:03:13.000 One of the maps.

01:03:14.000 And she's like, look at this beautiful.

01:03:16.000 A townhouse?

01:03:17.000 Yeah, like, it's not a townhouse.

01:03:19.000 It's a house.

01:03:20.000 It's like, it's a big-ass house.

01:03:22.000 It's like multiple stories.

01:03:23.000 The one right across the street from Central Park?

01:03:25.000 Uh-huh.

01:03:25.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 It's for sale right now.

01:03:26.000 That one.

01:03:28.000 How much?

01:03:29.000 I think it was like 60 or 70 million, something like that, which is what it's worth.

01:03:33.000 But who wants to live in the Epstein house?

01:03:37.000 First of all, if I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting.

01:03:40.000 Can you give me that painting?

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 Clinton in the blue.

01:03:42.000 You gotta come with all that shit in his hand.

01:03:43.000 I have to have that.

01:03:44.000 I want George Bush with the Jenga towers and the paper airplanes.

01:03:49.000 I want all of it.

01:03:50.000 And then the lady just died, too.

01:03:52.000 The lady got hit by a car, one of the witnesses.

01:03:53.000 Yeah, one of the Jeffrey Epstein witnesses.

01:03:55.000 And then apparently she had like a husband who was abusing her. 1.00

01:03:58.000 And, you know, people like to, it's just like people like to use this stuff as like a political football to like argue for whatever they believe in.

01:04:08.000 And also, when you get rich, powerful people.

01:04:11.000 So here's the thing that happens with rich, powerful people.

01:04:13.000 They can't go anywhere.

01:04:14.000 If you're like, say, a Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an Elon Musk type, and I'm not accusing them of anything.

01:04:22.000 I'm not saying, I'm just saying at that caliber of celebrity and that caliber of prominence, you can't go anywhere.

01:04:28.000 If you're Bill Clinton back in the 80s or the 90s, whatever it was, you can't go party.

01:04:34.000 Everybody knows who you are.

01:04:35.000 You've got to be protected, right?

01:04:37.000 But you want these experiences.

01:04:38.000 And so you have these guys, like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy, who works with the elite of the elite clientele.

01:04:44.000 It's all movie stars, big-time politicians, world leaders, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, and they all meet together and have fascinating conversations and cocktails, and there's beautiful girls everywhere.

01:04:56.000 Of course.

01:04:57.000 What a great idea.

01:04:58.000 And if you're naive and you don't understand honeypots.

01:05:00.000 Here's the quote from Maria Farmer, who was one of the accusers from what was inside the house in New York.

01:05:06.000 Okay, she said, There were monitors inside this cabinet.

01:05:10.000 I looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet.

01:05:14.000 She said, visibly spooked.

01:05:16.000 Like, I'm never going to use the restroom here and I'm never going to sleep here.

01:05:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:20.000 It was very obvious that they were like monitoring private moments.

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:24.000 Of course.

01:05:25.000 Maria Farmer was the one who worked at Epstein's office in New York, I think.

01:05:29.000 And this was the house, Jamie?

01:05:30.000 Yeah, I was looking up stuff on the house.

01:05:32.000 That was like what they were doing.

01:05:32.000 Or if the house still has fucking cameras in it somewhere that they haven't found yet.

01:05:37.000 They definitely, well, don't know.

01:05:40.000 Yeah, you'd have to scan the shit out of that house.

01:05:42.000 You'd have to take the walls apart.

01:05:43.000 There's probably listening devices inside the walls.

01:05:45.000 Who knows?

01:05:46.000 If this was really an intelligence operation.

01:05:49.000 Yeah, they probably had that house fully wired.

01:05:51.000 Maria Farmer, I think she was the chick who was working the front desk at his office in Manhattan. 1.00

01:05:56.000 This is like a funny example of what I like to do.

01:05:59.000 My mom is super left-wing. 1.00

01:06:01.000 She has her degree in fine arts.

01:06:03.000 Oh, boy.

01:06:04.000 And she still is an art professor.

01:06:06.000 And my dad is an ex-post office worker.

01:06:09.000 And he only watches Fox.

01:06:11.000 So my dad only watches Fox.

01:06:13.000 My mom only watches CNN.

01:06:13.000 They're divorced.

01:06:15.000 Jesus, why didn't they stay together?

01:06:16.000 How weird.

01:06:18.000 Who knows?

01:06:19.000 And I like to take things that are happening and then controversial things, like for Epstein, an example.

01:06:26.000 And I like to just call my mom and argue with her.

01:06:29.000 Like argue my dad, argue the right-wing side against my mom's point of view on Epstein.

01:06:33.000 And then I'll call my dad and I'll make the same argument toward the opposite argument towards him.

01:06:36.000 It's like a fucking thought experiment or like a critical thinking exercise.

01:06:40.000 Your parents are with my mom.

01:06:42.000 You know, she'll be like, of course, like Trump.

01:06:46.000 There's more footage of Trump with Epstein than anybody.

01:06:49.000 Are you kidding me?

01:06:50.000 He's partying with him here.

01:06:51.000 Like, of course he's compromised.

01:06:53.000 And then my dad's like, it's fucking Clinton, bro.

01:06:55.000 It's like, it's only Bill Clinton.

01:06:57.000 Look, he's the only one on the Epstein files.

01:06:59.000 Of course, we know he's a pervert, all this stuff.

01:07:01.000 But like, and then you have, so the funny thing is, both sides will use their little batch of evidence to support their idea and ignore the opposite, right?

01:07:11.000 So like the lady, the girl we were just talking about, Virginia, she was literally on video saying that all this shit about Bill Clinton on the jet, going to the island, hanging out with Trump and all this stuff.

01:07:27.000 And the right-wing people, like people I know, my parents and like older folks I know in Florida will say, you know, she came out.

01:07:36.000 Thank you for exposing Bill Clinton for being a pedo and doing all this stuff.

01:07:42.000 And Virginia Gouffre, after this happened, she's like, you guys didn't listen to the whole fucking tape.

01:07:47.000 She's like, I was telling you that Trump was at the penthouse three days a week and visiting him, but you guys don't want to hear that.

01:07:54.000 And it's like, you know, it's just this weird thing.

01:07:57.000 Like if you do the math, there's got to be, it's got to be so many high-level, powerful people that are somehow compromised.

01:08:05.000 And do I think, do I think like Clinton and these guys are pedoes?

01:08:09.000 No, I don't think that at all.

01:08:11.000 But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, you would, I think it's super plausible to assume that he would try to trick them with like a girl who looks old, right?

01:08:23.000 Who is possibly like on the borderline of being 18.

01:08:27.000 And you say, oh yeah, this girl, she's 18, 19, 20, whatever.

01:08:29.000 Meanwhile, she's like 17 and they had no idea and they have video footage.

01:08:33.000 And in like a court of law, if I'm the judge, I'm going to let them like, of course, they fucking lied to him.

01:08:39.000 And this is not like some young girl, obviously.

01:08:42.000 But they lied.

01:08:43.000 But like in the court of public opinion, you're never going to win in that case, right?

01:08:46.000 If that comes out, you're fucked.

01:08:48.000 You're fucked.

01:08:48.000 I mean, you're fucked if you're just going to the island to bang hookers.

01:08:51.000 Like it's like they're of age.

01:08:53.000 It's still, like, whatever he was doing, you, you played on people's desire for experiences and vice.

01:08:59.000 Yes.

01:09:00.000 And all these powerful people who, again, they can't just go call a hooker and the hooker goes, oh my God, I just blew Bill Gates.

01:09:06.000 This is nuts.

01:09:07.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:08.000 Like, you can't trust them.

01:09:09.000 So you have to trust someone who really has a lockdown organization.

01:09:14.000 And they felt like he did.

01:09:16.000 And that's why they all hung out with him even after he got arrested.

01:09:19.000 This is what's crazy.

01:09:20.000 That is crazy.

01:09:20.000 A lot of Bill Gates meetings with him were after he was prosecuted.

01:09:24.000 And he got this little slap on the wrist.

01:09:27.000 And he got essentially home detainment.

01:09:30.000 And I think he had to do like weekends at the jail.

01:09:34.000 Like it was for underage sex, for, you know, what's supposed to be a felony.

01:09:42.000 The whole thing is crazy.

01:09:43.000 And then when there's one reporter that really chased it down, I forget her name, but she really, like, really looked into it.

01:09:49.000 And that's when they opened up the second case, the second trial.

01:09:52.000 Vicki Warden.

01:09:53.000 Vicki Ward.

01:09:54.000 Was she from what paper?

01:09:55.000 Vanity Fair.

01:09:56.000 Vanity Fair.

01:09:57.000 So she was responsible for like, because she was like, this is insane.

01:10:00.000 Like, what's going on here?

01:10:02.000 And then there was the sheriff that had arrested him, said that I was told he was intelligence.

01:10:06.000 And I mean, you got to think, man, if a guy like that is running these kind of parties with all these rich and powerful people, how many different worldwide decisions can be manipulated because of these people and the compromises you have on them?

01:10:26.000 It's really a brilliant thing to do from an intelligence perspective.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, it really is, man.

01:10:33.000 And like this, the way that the world is shaping out now and this like rise of Jew hate online is, and I think a lot of it's bots, you know, I think, I think it's coming from every angle.

01:10:46.000 You know, I think it's probably a lot of, a lot of propaganda and bots coming from Iran, coming from Israel, Saudi, who knows where it's all coming from.

01:10:55.000 It's just such a confusing crock of shit on the internet.

01:10:58.000 But like, you know, on one hand, they were able to pull off some incredible fucking operations.

01:11:07.000 And, you know, on the other hand, we get mad.

01:11:10.000 Now that it gets exposed, we get mad that they have their hooks in us and the people that are in power, whatever the politicians are, the puppets, just like bend the knee to whatever they're doing.

01:11:20.000 And it gets exposed when people like Tucker did that interview with Ted Cruz and he had him on his heels the whole time.

01:11:29.000 That was incredible.

01:11:30.000 That was a fucking biblical fucking interview with Ted Cruz.

01:11:35.000 And that really like pulled the mask off because like if that guy's, if that guy is explaining his, his position on Israel being in Congress, and that's his number one thing that made him want to be a Congressman, it's like, what are all these other people doing then?

01:11:50.000 Like, if there's all this money, and you can see the receipts, how much money they're being given by these lobbies.

01:11:57.000 But how mad can you get?

01:11:59.000 Because we let them do it.

01:12:00.000 They're legally allowed to do it.

01:12:02.000 Yeah, you could be mad, but you really should be mad at the politicians.

01:12:05.000 The corrupt politicians and how many of them there are.

01:12:08.000 And look at the mayoral race where they all were saying, my first trip, I'm going to go to Israel.

01:12:15.000 Except for the dude.

01:12:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:16.000 Except for what's going on.

01:12:17.000 He's won.

01:12:17.000 He said he's going to stay in New York.

01:12:18.000 The communist.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 He's like, I'm going to take care of the Jews in New York.

01:12:20.000 Boom.

01:12:21.000 Check me.

01:12:21.000 That was it.

01:12:22.000 That literally won it for him.

01:12:24.000 Because everybody else was like, what are you guys talking about?

01:12:26.000 Like, New York is fucked.

01:12:28.000 Take care of this goddamn city.

01:12:30.000 What's this loyalty and allegiance to Israel from the New York City mayors?

01:12:36.000 The people that are candidates for mayor?

01:12:39.000 Like, your number one concern is Israel?

01:12:42.000 That seems odd.

01:12:44.000 Unless you're getting a ton of money.

01:12:46.000 You know?

01:12:47.000 Unless they have some video footage.

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 The more I think about politics and just look at the news cycle every day, I just feel like I get dumber.

01:12:56.000 It's a dumb business.

01:12:57.000 It's a dumb, dirty business.

01:12:59.000 It really is, dude.

01:13:01.000 Just like sometimes I'm just not motivated to read the daily news, you know?

01:13:06.000 Like I was telling this to Gavin, too.

01:13:07.000 I was like, I was like, like to focus on the culture wars 24-7, 365 and fucking talk about it all day is draining, dude.

01:13:17.000 Yeah, you can't.

01:13:18.000 It's bad.

01:13:19.000 It's bad for you.

01:13:20.000 That's why people that are on social media all day, they're poisoned.

01:13:24.000 There was some study recently.

01:13:27.000 I think it was Columbia.

01:13:28.000 I forget what university, but they paid people to stay off social media for a certain amount of time.

01:13:35.000 And they said that the results were superior to therapy.

01:13:39.000 See if we can find that.

01:13:41.000 So I think a large percentage of the mental illness that we have in this country is greatly accentuated by social media.

01:13:50.000 I think people that are on it all day, I think it's extremely addictive.

01:13:54.000 I think the conflict raises your whole anxiety that you have about conflict in society.

01:14:02.000 Stanford paid 35,000 people to find out if quitting Instagram made you happier.

01:14:07.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:14:08.000 And so what was the results?

01:14:11.000 Landmark study on digital well-being.

01:14:15.000 Ran two parallel experiments with Facebook and Instagram as a perspective focal pattern, platform rather.

01:14:21.000 For each focal platform, Meta grew a stratified random sample of users who were in the U.S. who were age 18 or older, had logged in at least once a month, or at least once in the past month.

01:14:33.000 From August 31st to September 12th, Meta plays survey invitations.

01:14:38.000 At the top of these users' focal platform news feeds, study explains, on Facebook, a total of 10.6 million users were invited to the study.

01:14:46.000 673,388 clicked the invitation, and 43,249 were willing to deactivate, consented to participate, and completed the enrollment survey.

01:14:57.000 Of these, 19,857 completed the baseline survey, could be linked to the platform data, and had at least 15 minutes of baseline use per day.

01:15:07.000 So what was the results?

01:15:10.000 Modest but meaningful emotional gains.

01:15:12.000 Findings were statistically significant, although modest in scale.

01:15:16.000 Facebook deactivation led, well, Facebook is like a bunch of old people complaining about their neighborhood, led to a 0.060 standard deviation improvement. 0.97

01:15:25.000 That's not much.

01:15:26.000 While Instagram deactivation yielded a 0.041 improvement, these gains represent approximately 15 to 22% of the benefits typically seen with established psychological interventions such as cognitive behavior therapy or mindfulness-based interventions.

01:15:44.000 So that's not much.

01:15:45.000 That's 22% of the benefits.

01:15:46.000 So it's a mild improvement.

01:15:50.000 Look at this, though.

01:15:51.000 The improvements weren't equally distributed.

01:15:54.000 Adults over 35 saw the most substantial benefit from leaving Facebook, whereas young women under 25 experienced the most emotional uplift from an Instagram break.

01:16:03.000 Women are getting fucked by that because they're constantly comparing themselves to girls that are digitally altered and using filters and fucks through your self-esteem. 1.00

01:16:13.000 I just think overall, it's not good for us.

01:16:16.000 And there's a large percentage of our society is addicted to it.

01:16:20.000 And it's new.

01:16:22.000 It hijacks your dopamine reward system.

01:16:25.000 They call them dopamine.

01:16:26.000 Like your phone and the iPad and all this stuff is like they're dopamine slot machines.

01:16:30.000 And the way they fuck up your circadian rhythm, like when you're when you're laying in bed at night scrolling and how that blue light in the phone just like pumps your brain full of energy and you can't put it down.

01:16:43.000 Like every scroll is like another hit of the crackpipe, you know?

01:16:43.000 You're just addicted.

01:16:46.000 That baby hit too.

01:16:47.000 It's not even like, ooh, feels so great.

01:16:49.000 Right, right.

01:16:50.000 It's like doing it.

01:16:51.000 Most nothing hit ever.

01:16:52.000 It's like just a little.

01:16:55.000 What's that?

01:16:56.000 Oh, how weird.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 And it like turns off a part of your brain too.

01:16:59.000 Like it turns off the thinking part.

01:17:01.000 You know?

01:17:02.000 Where like you just keep doing that thing and you're waiting for something good to hit.

01:17:06.000 Something more to like charge yourself until you fucking look at the clock and it's like 3 a.m. 0.57

01:17:12.000 You're like, what the fuck am I doing?

01:17:13.000 You're a fucking gold miner in a barren creek.

01:17:16.000 Yeah.

01:17:17.000 You're just constantly gold mining.

01:17:18.000 One day, one day gold.

01:17:20.000 One day I'm going to find gold.

01:17:21.000 I'm going to find enlightenment on my Instagram.

01:17:23.000 Nope.

01:17:24.000 You're going to fuck your head up.

01:17:24.000 You know, you're not.

01:17:25.000 Yeah.

01:17:26.000 No, I think it's definitely atrophying the human brain.

01:17:30.000 100%.

01:17:31.000 And that's why I like these like these new tech technical computers and these different apps that are coming out that are like trying to be anti-technology.

01:17:41.000 They're trying to make healthier computers and healthier phones.

01:17:45.000 Oh, like that simple phone?

01:17:46.000 Is that what it's called?

01:17:47.000 There's a simple phone.

01:17:48.000 There's like the daylight computer thing, which is like an iPad with no blue light in it.

01:17:53.000 And it has only this.

01:17:54.000 It's like kind of like a Kindle on steroids where there's no blue light.

01:17:58.000 Oh, so it looks like paper?

01:18:00.000 Yeah, it's like this is one of them right here, and it has like a piece of paper.

01:18:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:03.000 I put, I like make my notes on it, and then it also has like the Kindle.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:06.000 Is this it?

01:18:07.000 What is that called?

01:18:08.000 This is called the Daylight Computer.

01:18:11.000 Look at it.

01:18:12.000 So I put all my books.

01:18:13.000 It looks like an old iPad.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, it looks like an old iPad.

01:18:16.000 This is like version one of what they're doing.

01:18:18.000 It's fucking sick, dude.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, it's like, it's, you know, This thing is super fast.

01:18:28.000 You can zoom in and out of shit super fast, like PDFs.

01:18:30.000 And when I sit in bed at Reed, if I use like a...

01:18:35.000 Like when you're looking at it.

01:18:36.000 It doesn't fuck with your eyes at all.

01:18:38.000 It looks like a piece of paper.

01:18:39.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.000 Wow.

01:18:41.000 And look, check this out.

01:18:43.000 If you do this.

01:18:45.000 When did you decide to do this?

01:18:46.000 To go switch over to this stuff?

01:18:48.000 This is like in the last year.

01:18:50.000 Oh, yeah?

01:18:51.000 So it's like amber light.

01:18:51.000 So look at that.

01:18:53.000 So if I lay in bed at night and I'm reading like a PDF or a Kindle or something like this, I'm asleep in like 45 minutes.

01:19:00.000 What's going on with his microphone?

01:19:02.000 Oh, shit.

01:19:02.000 Did you disconnect it?

01:19:04.000 Sure did.

01:19:06.000 Yeah.

01:19:08.000 Wow.

01:19:09.000 Weird.

01:19:11.000 Here we go.

01:19:11.000 Check, check, check.

01:19:12.000 We're back.

01:19:13.000 So Amber Light.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, Amber Light.

01:19:14.000 And then like, so if I sit on my phone and read something, I can stay up all night.

01:19:18.000 Or if I sit on my computer and read something, I can stay up forever.

01:19:21.000 This thing, I fall asleep.

01:19:23.000 I literally, it doesn't keep me up.

01:19:25.000 I think because it doesn't have that blue light that's baked into it.

01:19:28.000 So you use that as your primary computer?

01:19:30.000 I just use this for reading and like note-taking and shit.

01:19:30.000 No, no, no.

01:19:33.000 Like on every podcast I do, I'm just like taking notes on it because it stores all my notes.

01:19:36.000 And then I just read Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff.

01:19:38.000 And you write the notes by hand?

01:19:40.000 Yep.

01:19:44.000 Oh, it's like, it's fucking amazing.

01:19:47.000 You don't type your notes?

01:19:48.000 Does it have a keyboard?

01:19:49.000 Can you type on it?

01:19:50.000 Yep, it does.

01:19:52.000 It's like basically an iPad.

01:19:53.000 It's like an Android.

01:19:54.000 So you can attach a Bluetooth keyboard.

01:19:56.000 Bluetooth keyboard and you can type on it and shit.

01:19:58.000 It's super quick, super responsive.

01:20:00.000 And so what was the thought process about switching to something like this?

01:20:04.000 Because like, so I got introduced to those guys when I started learning about all this circadian rhythm stuff and how all these devices hijack your dopamine system and all this stuff.

01:20:16.000 And there's like, hey, there's these guys that they're working on this new technology that's like anti big tech mind control, all the apps and everything like that with all the colors and all the, you know, everything that just like fucks with your brain and your eyes.

01:20:33.000 And I was like, that's interesting.

01:20:35.000 They're going in the opposite direction of normal tech and like Apple and all these things.

01:20:40.000 So I hit them up and they sent me one and I was just like fucking blown away.

01:20:45.000 I thought it was super cool.

01:20:46.000 I could sit outside because I like to, I like to go outside like first thing in the morning when the sun's rising and spend at least like two or three hours like during the beginning of the day because I feel it just like charges me up for the day.

01:20:57.000 I feel better when I'm outside, especially in Florida.

01:20:59.000 The sun's really good.

01:21:00.000 And so I'll go out there and I'll read on this thing.

01:21:03.000 I can't read on anything else.

01:21:05.000 My phone or like a computer screen, there's so much glare.

01:21:09.000 This thing thrives in the outdoor sunlight.

01:21:12.000 So it's like perfect.

01:21:13.000 It's like reading like a piece of paper.

01:21:15.000 Wouldn't you think like it would be best if phones were like that?

01:21:18.000 So you could read text messages.

01:21:20.000 It would definitely be healthier.

01:21:21.000 It would definitely be healthier for us, but it wouldn't.

01:21:23.000 It wouldn't be able to look at pictures and videos the same way, though.

01:21:26.000 Right.

01:21:26.000 It doesn't have color, right?

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:28.000 Yeah, this thing's all black and white.

01:21:30.000 And with that amber backlight that you can throw on at night if you're like inside or something like that.

01:21:35.000 And so how much of a change has it had in your routine because of this thing?

01:21:39.000 It's great because if I'm reading shit, which I typically do in the morning and at night, I don't stay up all night.

01:21:46.000 It encourages me to go outside more because typically when I'm trying to absorb stuff or listen to podcasts or make notes or read books, I can do it on that.

01:21:56.000 And it works better outside.

01:21:58.000 So it just makes me want to go outside more, which I feel better when I'm outside more.

01:22:02.000 Wow.

01:22:03.000 That's interesting, man.

01:22:04.000 Yeah.

01:22:05.000 What's it called again?

01:22:06.000 Daylight computer.

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:07.000 Daylight computer.

01:22:08.000 It's beautiful, man.

01:22:09.000 I might check that out.

01:22:10.000 Yeah, it's cool.

01:22:11.000 I don't want to carry around another fucking thing, though.

01:22:14.000 Yeah, you got to be.

01:22:16.000 You got all your phones and yeah, all the bullshit I have to carry around.

01:22:19.000 That's big.

01:22:20.000 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 That's an option.

01:22:21.000 It is big.

01:22:21.000 It fits in that little Patagonia bag.

01:22:23.000 I just carry it.

01:22:24.000 I carry it to home and to the studio.

01:22:26.000 How come it has those big, stupid bezels?

01:22:28.000 I don't know.

01:22:29.000 It's version one.

01:22:30.000 Because it looks like they got some leftover iPad technology or Kindle technology.

01:22:37.000 Very interesting.

01:22:38.000 It definitely, you know, I think they're going to eventually try to improve that.

01:22:42.000 Like I said, that's like the version one.

01:22:44.000 That's like iPhone 1 for their thing.

01:22:46.000 And they're trying to like.

01:22:46.000 So this is new.

01:22:47.000 Very new, yeah.

01:22:48.000 They're trying to come up with like phones eventually.

01:22:50.000 But apparently it's a lot of work to have a computer company.

01:22:53.000 James McCann, one of the comics from last night, he had a new phone.

01:22:57.000 I was like, what is this?

01:22:59.000 He's like, it keeps you from being distracted.

01:23:02.000 It only has Spotify, a few other things on it, one shitty little camera and a black and white screen.

01:23:07.000 I'm like, really?

01:23:08.000 He's just trying to get off of his phone addiction.

01:23:11.000 So he has a much more limited phone.

01:23:13.000 It runs on Android.

01:23:15.000 There's a lot of people that are kind of leaning in that sort of direction.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, like the anti-tech direction.

01:23:19.000 Well, just realizing something's going on.

01:23:21.000 I'm not happier.

01:23:22.000 I'm less happy.

01:23:23.000 I'm kind of tweaking, thinking about, where's my phone?

01:23:27.000 Where's my phone?

01:23:29.000 I don't think the innovation of all this new technology now that it's like exponentially taking off with AI is going to lead us to a good place, man.

01:23:37.000 I think that, you know, I've had philosophers and people explain to me how the advancement of the technological human mind and the analytical mind has equally equated with the atrophy of the psychic mind.

01:23:54.000 And when you listen to people like Paul Rosalie talking about spending a lot of time in the Amazon and like going through the jungle, how it like awakens these deeper senses that you have inside of us.

01:24:04.000 And like it makes me wonder, like 5,000 years ago, before we had the ability to offload our memories onto phones and computers and before we even had the fucking written word and were able to make notes and stuff, we probably had like way better memory.

01:24:25.000 We possibly likely had like A telepathic way of communicating back then, like way, way long ago, before we had, like, before we started letting technology take over for what we do, like, even for our like mundane tasks now, which has reached the pinnacle of LLMs, like telling us, telling us, like, how to fucking write an email.

01:24:46.000 Right, well, we for sure don't remember phone numbers anymore.

01:24:49.000 And when I was a kid, I kept like 15 phone numbers in my head.

01:24:52.000 Now I have zero.

01:24:53.000 I have like maybe one or two phone numbers I can remember.

01:24:56.000 Everybody just relies on their phone.

01:24:58.000 There's so many people that can't even make their way around town without their navigation system.

01:25:03.000 Completely forgot how the streets connect.

01:25:06.000 You know, there's a lot of digital atrophy or human atrophy that's being caused by the interface with the digital world.

01:25:13.000 And it's only going to get worse.

01:25:14.000 I mean, there was a study recently on ChatGPT users and how less there how see if you can find it.

01:25:23.000 It was a study on young people and ubiquitous use of ChatGPT, like how many of them are using it and how much effect it has on their ability to form their own thoughts and see through things.

01:25:34.000 They're just relying on this thing to answer the questions for them without pondering the question themselves and actually learning things.

01:25:39.000 They're just getting data.

01:25:41.000 And a lot of that data doesn't even get absorbed.

01:25:41.000 Yes.

01:25:43.000 Yeah, my wife and all of her friends are using ChatGPT.

01:25:45.000 Here it is.

01:25:46.000 Chat GPT maybe eroding critical thinking skills, according to a new MIT study.

01:25:50.000 That's odd.

01:25:52.000 Totally makes sense.

01:25:53.000 Study divided 54 subjects, 18 to 39-year-olds from the Boston area, into three groups and asked them to write several SAT essays using OpenAI's ChatGPT, Google search engine, and nothing at all, respectively.

01:26:06.000 Researchers used an EEG to record the writer's brain activity across 32 regions and found that of the three groups, ChatGPT users had the lowest brain engagement and consistently underperformed at neuro, linguistic, and behavioral levels.

01:26:21.000 Over the course of several months, ChatGPT users got lazier with each subsequent essay, often resorting to copy and paste by the end of the study.

01:26:31.000 Wow.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, we're going to just end up being a residue of a species overwritten by our own creation.

01:26:39.000 Very bizarre.

01:26:40.000 Fucking scary, dude.

01:26:41.000 Very bizarre.

01:26:42.000 Very bizarre because we're just all running towards the cliff.

01:26:46.000 And we're all like, yeah, well, we got to do it because if we don't do it, China's going to do it. 0.96

01:26:49.000 Yeah.

01:26:50.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, man.

01:26:52.000 I think we're going to integrate.

01:26:53.000 That's what I think.

01:26:54.000 We're going to realize that the only way for us to survive is to integrate with artificial intelligence.

01:27:00.000 I think people are going to choose.

01:27:01.000 They're going to find God either in artificial intelligence or in nature.

01:27:06.000 People that run the other way are going to realize.

01:27:09.000 Well, there's definitely going to be people that worship artificial intelligence as a new God.

01:27:13.000 That's already been speculated.

01:27:14.000 That's for sure going to be a thing.

01:27:16.000 And it might actually be that.

01:27:18.000 It might be that's what God is.

01:27:19.000 Like, that's how we make him.

01:27:22.000 We make God forms himself through us.

01:27:25.000 Like, the way God creates us, he instills us with this insatiable need for technological innovation until ultimately, if they don't blow themselves up, they achieve artificial intelligence, which then becomes sentient, which then makes better and better versions of itself.

01:27:39.000 And as you scale out, what's the ultimate version of that?

01:27:41.000 The ultimate version of that is God.

01:27:45.000 Yeah, and then what are we?

01:27:47.000 We're the chicken and the egg.

01:27:48.000 Chicken and the egg.

01:27:50.000 Well, there's some new thing, man.

01:27:51.000 Have you seen this thing about the James Webb telescope change?

01:27:54.000 Yes, dude.

01:27:54.000 I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this yesterday.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about it yesterday, too.

01:27:58.000 So Jesse's phone was getting lit up.

01:28:01.000 I'm going to send you this, Jamie.

01:28:03.000 Yeah, so I guess it's really interesting.

01:28:04.000 The story is like this background microwave radiation is not what we think it was.

01:28:09.000 There's these mature universes that are out there that we just discovered with the James Webb.

01:28:13.000 This is, here, I'll send you the Twitter thing, Jamie.

01:28:18.000 Did you find it already?

01:28:19.000 Okay, here's Webb Telescope uncovers secrets of dark matter.

01:28:23.000 Yeah, that's one of them, but I'll show you what this is.

01:28:27.000 Because what this is is essentially that just the galaxies that they've shown, it makes up for the background micro or whatever the microwave radiation is that they associated with the Big Bang.

01:28:41.000 So now – so according to – Yeah.

01:28:49.000 That makes a lot of sense.

01:28:51.000 Yeah, no, I saw the Twitter post and there's people going after each other, like rabid cats and dogs about it, whether it was real or whether it was fake.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 Well, of course people are going back and forth about it, but essentially what they're saying is this kind of it cancels out the idea of the Big Bang.

01:29:09.000 And Penrose believed that it was a consistent cycle.

01:29:12.000 Penrose believes it goes, you know, Big Bang to expansion of the universe to compression to Big Bang with this constant cycle, never ending.

01:29:20.000 It's not that the universe was formed at one period of time.

01:29:24.000 It's like this constant state of happening.

01:29:28.000 Which is that any more crazy than the universe happening at one time out of nothing?

01:29:34.000 No, I mean, it's kind of, it's all crazy.

01:29:38.000 Just the idea that it's 13 billion light years old or 13.7 or 22, is 22 even more crazier?

01:29:47.000 Yeah.

01:29:49.000 Yeah, this is nuts, dude.

01:29:50.000 A new paper shows that the cosmic microwave background radiation can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered early mature galaxies.

01:29:59.000 Massive galaxies the James Webb Space Telescope discovered while crushing, or excuse me, discovered which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible.

01:30:13.000 But now these EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy density of the cosmic microwave background radiation, which was believed to be a snapshot of the first light emitted after the Big Bang when the universe was 379,000 years old.

01:30:29.000 The variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the Big Bang.

01:30:37.000 If these new findings are accepted and there's no reason not to accept them, then all the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question.

01:30:46.000 Big Bang theory, foundational cosmological model undermined, cosmic inflation, losses, observation, loses rather, observational justification, ACDM model, I don't know what that is, key parameters become unreliable.

01:31:01.000 So all this stuff, dark energy inferred from the CMB may be mischaracterized, dark matter density, current estimates may be invalid.

01:31:11.000 Age of the universe must be recalculated.

01:31:15.000 Wild.

01:31:16.000 Yes, it's insane.

01:31:17.000 And I'm sure the people that have been preaching or that have been rather talking and teaching people about the Big Bang and writing books, they're going to fight back tooth and nail because they don't want to be wrong.

01:31:17.000 Wild shit.

01:31:29.000 But this James Webb telescope, at the very least, has shown us mature galaxies that shouldn't have been able to be formed.

01:31:35.000 The fact-checkers got it.

01:31:36.000 Reader context.

01:31:37.000 This post claims CMB can be explained entirely by EMGs, implying ability, not probability, that EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy of the CMB radiation.

01:31:49.000 But the paper says EMGs may account for anywhere between 1.4% and 100%.

01:31:53.000 So they might account for 100%, but they do account for...

01:32:00.000 They might account for 100%.

01:32:00.000 Yes.

01:32:02.000 Okay.

01:32:02.000 Right.

01:32:03.000 Either way, they're learning things, and they still have a very limited ability to observe, right?

01:32:07.000 So the James Webb telescope is so much better than the Hubble, so much better than anything else they've launched before.

01:32:12.000 So they're finding new things out, but it's still limited in its capacity to see the universe.

01:32:17.000 It can't see everything yet.

01:32:19.000 So they'll probably have an even better one that they'll launch, and that will show us even more that we didn't know.

01:32:25.000 And we're operating on a limited amount of data, and we're operating with this conviction that they're 100% correct about these timelines.

01:32:34.000 And just these mature galaxies that existed where they shouldn't exist is enough to know that we don't know everything.

01:32:40.000 And then this whole dark matter, dark energy thing, it's like, what is it?

01:32:44.000 You don't even know what it is.

01:32:46.000 Well, we figured out that dark matter actually is mass, right?

01:32:50.000 And has gravitational effects.

01:32:51.000 Like they were, I forget who it was, but they were observing galaxies and they were looking at the spin rate of the galaxies and they found out that the center of the galaxy, it should be spinning faster than the outer rim of it, right?

01:33:02.000 But they found out that the spin rate is identical, which means that what they theorized is that dark matter, the mass of the dark matter around the galaxy has lots of mass and it's flattening the spin rate of the galaxies.

01:33:15.000 Which is interesting because like there's this, have you ever heard of this dude named Rolf Landauer?

01:33:20.000 No.

01:33:21.000 He has this theory that if you weighed a hard drive after you put data on it, it would weigh more than when it was empty.

01:33:31.000 Right.

01:33:32.000 So, and his theory was that like every single hard drive server farm around the world right now, and if you weighed it, if we had measuring equipment that was sensitive enough and you could find the difference, he thinks that all the data stored would be like a kilogram or less right now.

01:33:48.000 But the rate of data increase that we accumulate each year right now is like 25%, not equating for exponential growth, the technological singularity and how that's going to ramp up.

01:33:59.000 So somebody did the math there and said, it was, no, it was Jason Giorgiani who did the math on this.

01:34:05.000 And he said, if you just keep the rate flat at 25% per year of data increase across the globe, in 340 years, we are going to have the mass of the moon on the surface of the earth in data stored on hard drives.

01:34:23.000 Yeah.

01:34:24.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 So like, and the way he like lays this all out, I'll try to do my best, is that if you look at the laws of thermodynamics, like the two laws, one that energy can never be created or destroyed, and the other one, like entropy always increases over time.

01:34:42.000 Entropy, meaning disorder.

01:34:44.000 It never goes down over time.

01:34:45.000 Like hence the heat death of the universe will eventually happen.

01:34:48.000 And so E equals MC squared, energy and mass are interconvertible.

01:34:53.000 And then there was this other dude, Claude Shannon, who came up with the theory that data transmission with binary bits, ones and zeros.

01:35:01.000 So if computers are bound by, tell me if I'm losing.

01:35:06.000 No, no.

01:35:07.000 If computers are bound by the laws of entropy and hard drives are bound by the laws of entropy, that means when a computer is blank, it's very low entropy because it's all ones or it's all zeros.

01:35:19.000 When you add data, when you add a podcast to it, it goes one zero, one, zero, one, zero.

01:35:22.000 It's chaotic.

01:35:23.000 Just from a pure physical perspective, it's high entropy.

01:35:29.000 So what happens when you erase that hard drive?

01:35:33.000 You have to, the energy has to go, has to leave.

01:35:36.000 If it's mass on the hard drive, theoretically, if this guy's right, if Rolf Landauer is right, that data on the hard drive is mass, when you erase that, it has to go to energy outside of the hard drive, right?

01:35:49.000 So he says, but if you crack open a hard drive, you can't see that mass, right?

01:35:55.000 It's invisible.

01:35:56.000 It's electromagnetically indetectable.

01:35:59.000 So he says, what other kind of mass do we know of that's electromagnetically indetectable?

01:36:04.000 He said, it's dark matter.

01:36:07.000 So if mass is the same thing as information stored on a hard drive, that would mean not only is mass and energy interchangeable, but mass, energy, and information are interchangeable.

01:36:22.000 Right?

01:36:23.000 So if dark matter is mass, you could then say that dark matter is a computational cloud of ones and zeros.

01:36:33.000 And our consciousness is an interface to that that gives it meaning.

01:36:38.000 The same way a computer screen gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive.

01:36:45.000 Like you watch the video, it has meaning.

01:36:48.000 So this is the concept that consciousness engages with matter.

01:36:52.000 And that is how matter exists.

01:36:54.000 That exists because you're observing it.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, the only reason consciousness is fundamental to an information processing system.

01:37:02.000 So instead of building up to, like what physicists, what people try to do is build up to consciousness from dead atoms, protons and neutrons, right?

01:37:10.000 How do you get to consciousness from that?

01:37:12.000 But if you think of this as like a computational cloud of ones and zeros and mass does equal information, well, that just means that our consciousness is a way to interface and give this simulation meaning.

01:37:26.000 And funny enough, that theory really Reconciles well with shit like parapsychology and like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, like when you solve one problem in one part of the world and then like somebody breaks a world record in this country and then five years, you know, a year later, five other people hit that same world record.

01:37:46.000 It's like conserving energy, the processing system conserving energy.

01:37:50.000 There's a guy, there's a scientist that he found computational code.

01:37:59.000 You remember this guy, Jamie?

01:38:03.000 He believes that he found computational code that proves that the universe is a simulation.

01:38:10.000 But this guy, I tried to get him to come on the podcast, but he said I was anti-science because of the COVID vaccine stuff.

01:38:16.000 This is a few years back, though.

01:38:18.000 Maybe he's kind of woken up and changed his tune.

01:38:21.000 I doubt it, though.

01:38:22.000 A lot of people got indoctrinated.

01:38:24.000 That's anti-science.

01:38:25.000 Like actual data is anti-science.

01:38:28.000 Whose data?

01:38:29.000 Whose data are you going by?

01:38:31.000 We could have a conversation about that if we'd like.

01:38:32.000 I'll show you some things.

01:38:33.000 You can have a great conversation.

01:38:34.000 I think you've said everything.

01:38:35.000 Have a seat.

01:38:36.000 Have a seat.

01:38:36.000 Let's go over some studies.

01:38:37.000 Is this the dude?

01:38:38.000 Yeah, that's the guy.

01:38:40.000 So what was his, so this guy won't come on my show because he says I'm anti-science.

01:38:44.000 Symmetry, supergravity.

01:38:45.000 Yes.

01:38:47.000 But what is this discovery that he found?

01:38:49.000 Oh, he was from Tampa.

01:38:50.000 Oh, born in Tampa.

01:38:50.000 He found.

01:38:55.000 What was the supposed discovery about the computational code?

01:39:01.000 What did it say?

01:39:04.000 Are we living in a computer simulation?

01:39:05.000 Yeah, this is James Gates.

01:39:08.000 Theoretical physicist at the University of Maryland.

01:39:10.000 Auto-correcting codes.

01:39:12.000 Click on that, Jamie?

01:39:13.000 Scientific American article.

01:39:15.000 Oh, I just write it right from there, I guess.

01:39:17.000 Explored mathematical structure of string theory specifically in the context of supersymmetry and has found what he describes as error-correcting codes embedded within the equations.

01:39:25.000 These codes are mathematical objects similar to those used in computer science for error detection and correction, such as in data transmission.

01:39:32.000 While these findings are intriguing, it's important to note that they are not literal computer code, but rather mathematical structures that share similarities with coding theory.

01:39:43.000 Yeah, it's important to learn that, but that's fucking crazy.

01:39:46.000 Yeah, it is fucking crazy.

01:39:47.000 All of it is crazy.

01:39:48.000 But James Gates, as of, I think, two years ago, wasn't willing to come on the podcast and talk about it.

01:39:53.000 Yeah, if I had a dollar for every person who said they wouldn't come on my podcast because it's too pseudo-scientific, I would have like $5.

01:40:00.000 Why not?

01:40:01.000 Why not come on and illuminate people?

01:40:03.000 Yeah, I had this, I don't wanna say who she is, but this lady who had this amazing book on the Greek weapons and poisons that they used to use for war. 0.99

01:40:13.000 They used to drop scorpions over, Like they used to light pigs on fire and send them towards elephants to try to get the elephants to run away and throw bags of scorpions on people.

01:40:22.000 And I'm like, this fucking book is amazing.

01:40:23.000 I need to get this lady. 1.00

01:40:27.000 We're not academic enough, I guess.

01:40:29.000 But I'm trying to get there.

01:40:30.000 Yeah, but what does that mean?

01:40:32.000 What does it mean?

01:40:33.000 We're just human beings having a conversation.

01:40:35.000 You're the academic.

01:40:36.000 Come in and tell me what you know.

01:40:38.000 What's the big deal?

01:40:39.000 Yeah.

01:40:40.000 You do a great job of having both sides in, which I think is really cool.

01:40:43.000 You have the crazy fringe people who are educated, self-educated, but are very smart in a certain way.

01:40:49.000 And then other people who have the academic credentials to sort of like be a sounding board for that and to see who's really full of shit.

01:40:57.000 Yeah, you have to have all because there are some people that are, they're self-taught.

01:41:02.000 They've essentially just read shit tons of books and they're brilliant people.

01:41:05.000 And just because they're not classically educated, it doesn't mean they're incorrect.

01:41:09.000 And there's only one way to find that out.

01:41:11.000 Guys like Randall Carlson, he's a builder, okay?

01:41:13.000 But the knowledge that he has about the impact theory, the Younger Dryas impact theory, and what probably ended the ice age and shaped a great part of North America and how you could see it from space.

01:41:27.000 And you can see when they look at the satellite imagery, it literally looks like things have been washed away.

01:41:33.000 It looks like massive water erosion.

01:41:35.000 Like you can see the ripples on the ground that are akin to what it looks like when the tide pulls back on the sand on a beach.

01:41:42.000 It all makes sense.

01:41:43.000 And he knows so much about the actual science behind it.

01:41:46.000 And he was talking about this a long time ago.

01:41:49.000 I met him in Georgia, in Atlanta.

01:41:51.000 That's where he's from.

01:41:52.000 I met him in like 2003 or something like that, 2002, 2000.

01:41:58.000 He was telling me about it back then.

01:42:00.000 But back then, they didn't have the core samples that showed that there was significant impact evidence.

01:42:06.000 That was around, I think it was 11,800 years ago, and then again, somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago.

01:42:13.000 So I think we've been hit multiple times.

01:42:16.000 And I think he's 100% right about that.

01:42:18.000 And I think Graham Hancock is 100% onto something with all this ancient apocalypse stuff.

01:42:24.000 And the pushback against him is insane.

01:42:26.000 They throw every terrible phrase at him they possibly can.

01:42:30.000 Every pejorative, racist, white supremacist, all these crazy things.

01:42:35.000 I had Flynn Diddle on my podcast.

01:42:35.000 Yeah.

01:42:37.000 We talked about it.

01:42:38.000 Fascinating.

01:42:39.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:42:40.000 I actually liked him.

01:42:41.000 He's a nice guy.

01:42:42.000 When he's not calling you a racist.

01:42:43.000 When he's not in front of a keyboard.

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 Well, he's an anxiety-filled academic who is fighting very hard to push his very specific view of things.

01:42:56.000 And he tries to silence other people that have opposing views.

01:43:00.000 And the way he did it with Graham was really not cool.

01:43:03.000 It was shitty.

01:43:04.000 It was very shitty.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:06.000 No, I think he had a lot of interesting, legitimate things to say about ancient Greeks and stuff like that.

01:43:12.000 But when we got to this stuff, it was just like, where did that fucking dude I was talking to 30 minutes ago go?

01:43:19.000 He was just like, he was looking at this and then all reason just flew out the window.

01:43:24.000 He was like, what do you mean they couldn't do this?

01:43:25.000 They stick a stone in there, they spin it around like this, and then you can get this.

01:43:30.000 It's really easily.

01:43:31.000 How dare you say that the dynastic Egyptians weren't able to create these vases?

01:43:35.000 I'm like, and I, you know, I was like proposing other theories that like, you know, Chris Dunn's, Jeffrey Drum's theories and wanted absolutely nothing to do with it.

01:43:44.000 And like, we don't know.

01:43:46.000 This is the thing.

01:43:47.000 That's the thing, exactly.

01:43:48.000 If Christopher Dunn had been teaching this in the 1800s and people had followed those theories and built upon them and this was academic, like in universities, this was Accepted, and this was what they were teaching, and they were studying this, then he would be saying that.

01:44:04.000 They would all be saying that.

01:44:05.000 There's ample evidence that he's got a good point.

01:44:08.000 That Christopher Dunn, the model that he uses when he's describing how he thinks that the Great Pyramid of Giza was a power plant, is fascinating.

01:44:17.000 The number, when he's talking about the ratios that you would need for the width of the walls, the surfaces, the way the things are made, they would all work.

01:44:25.000 He's an engineer.

01:44:26.000 He's not a moron.

01:44:27.000 He knows what he's talking about.

01:44:28.000 If this guy was teaching this stuff a long time ago and it was accepted by universities, that would be what we're talking about today.

01:44:34.000 We'd be speculating how they did it and what they were doing and what they were doing it for.

01:44:39.000 And if we had known in the 1800s that we regularly travel into a comet storm and that it happens, I think it's every June and November.

01:44:48.000 We pass through the, you know, and we see it in the sky.

01:44:51.000 We see meteor showers.

01:44:52.000 You know, you see, oh, look at the sky.

01:44:54.000 Look at all the shooting stars.

01:44:56.000 We're in a fucking shooting gallery.

01:44:57.000 And occasionally one of those slams into the earth.

01:45:00.000 And when that stuff happens, we're fucked.

01:45:03.000 And it's super likely that that happened multiple times during human history.

01:45:08.000 And it's super likely that that's why there's all these structures that nobody can explain that are somehow or another predate modern civilization.

01:45:16.000 Like Gobekli Tepe.

01:45:18.000 That fucked them all up.

01:45:19.000 Because before Gobekli Tepe, they had this 6,000-year model.

01:45:23.000 Mesopotamia, Sumer, that's where it all started.

01:45:27.000 Now they're like, well, maybe it's Turkey. 0.71

01:45:29.000 Maybe Turkey was the birthplace. 1.00

01:45:30.000 I mean, Jimmy Corsetti's been talking about this a lot.

01:45:32.000 And I understand where they're coming from.

01:45:36.000 I can see their point of view from the academics.

01:45:38.000 Not that I would act like them or condone the way they act, but when you spend your life, Flint, for example, I think his parents were archaeologists.

01:45:45.000 They named him Flint because of archaeology.

01:45:47.000 And you spent your whole life mucking through these different places, excavating shit, digging up rocks or whatever he was doing, and no one ever paid attention to you.

01:45:57.000 And then you have Graham Hancock come in, who is like personally fascinated by these things and dedicating his life to writing and researching on his own, but not accredited academically.

01:46:08.000 You can see like how those guys would, how those academic guys would be like super salty of somebody like him.

01:46:13.000 I understand that.

01:46:13.000 Oh, I get it.

01:46:14.000 It's not an excuse for what he did, which I think was shitty, right?

01:46:17.000 Yeah, it's not an excuse.

01:46:19.000 I understand their perspective, but it's ego-driven.

01:46:21.000 If we really were interested, you would take these heterodox scientists and you'd bring them in. 0.99

01:46:26.000 And you would say, they're studying data.

01:46:29.000 Guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, they're studying these things.

01:46:33.000 Graham was just in Iraq.

01:46:35.000 He just was going over there to look at ancient Sumerian stuff.

01:46:40.000 He sent me some photos of his trip.

01:46:41.000 He said it was fascinating.

01:46:42.000 Wow.

01:46:43.000 Yeah, these structures are incredible.

01:46:45.000 And they don't really understand them.

01:46:48.000 We really don't.

01:46:48.000 We don't even know who really built the Aztec temples.

01:46:52.000 I was reading about Tenochet Lan.

01:46:56.000 They found it.

01:46:57.000 The Aztecs found that there.

01:46:59.000 And they don't even know who built it.

01:47:01.000 There's a bunch of those things.

01:47:03.000 A previous civilization existed in the same place, fascinating discoveries, figured out how to do agriculture, figured out how to make grids and cities and make these incredible stone structures that are cosmologically connected somehow.

01:47:17.000 And then they went away.

01:47:19.000 All over the world.

01:47:20.000 All over the world.

01:47:21.000 There's like people reinvent civilization, the places where these ancient structures exist and even build upon them.

01:47:27.000 They build over them.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:29.000 I think there's probably so much shit that people were able to do in antiquity and way before that that would seem like magic to us today.

01:47:36.000 Like kind of like getting back to what we were talking about with our senses that we don't really have today that probably have atrophied over millennia.

01:47:43.000 Like your fart theory, which is amazing.

01:47:47.000 You remember your fart theory?

01:47:47.000 Oh, how's it going?

01:47:49.000 Imagine if somebody farted and you didn't have a nose and you haven't developed this nose that enables you to survive and smell predators.

01:47:54.000 Right.

01:47:55.000 You'd have no idea.

01:47:56.000 You would have no idea you're sitting there bathing in somebody's fart.

01:47:58.000 Right.

01:47:59.000 So like, and so like dogs, dogs and cats, when they go into weird houses and they notice like some sort of weird energy, you know, people describe energy in a house, like this, this feels off.

01:48:10.000 Like, what is that?

01:48:11.000 Like, is there something that really is there that we just don't have the organs anymore to detect?

01:48:16.000 Or something in our brain that has atrophied over thousands of years that have stopped us being able to detect this stuff?

01:48:22.000 Well, think about how birds they can figure out a way to travel like super accurately through the sky, but drawn by the magnetic force of the Earth.

01:48:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:35.000 They have somehow or another, they figure out a way to navigate with the Earth's magnetic field.

01:48:41.000 We don't even understand it.

01:48:42.000 But they do it.

01:48:43.000 They migrate successfully every year.

01:48:46.000 We know they do it.

01:48:47.000 That's a sense that they have that we don't have.

01:48:49.000 Like it's probably a fucking shit ton of.

01:48:52.000 There's probably a bunch of things going on in the world that we're not interacting with because we don't have the senses for.

01:48:57.000 Right.

01:48:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 And, you know, one of the things that I've been like really interested in lately is this, I mean, people talk about this ability to like download information like in the UFO world.

01:49:13.000 You know, like people talk about, oh, I got this from a download or something like that.

01:49:17.000 I talk about like, I have an antenna.

01:49:18.000 I can connect to something.

01:49:20.000 But like for me, like that connected, when I first heard about people talking about that, I always thought that that was like the muse, you know, like you have this sort of antenna in your head that connects you to creativity and gives you the ability to just create shit out of thin air, you know?

01:49:40.000 And I feel like over with people I've observed over my lifetime, I feel like that peaks at an early age, right?

01:49:50.000 Before you get older and before you start the burden of the responsibilities of life and all these mundane things in your life start to compile on and you trade your dreams for securities, that spark starts to go away, you know?

01:50:05.000 And like that could easily be described as something magical if it was way more powerful thousands of years ago.

01:50:12.000 Like I really noticed this the other day.

01:50:16.000 So I was, the other day I was hanging out with Kirk, the lead guitarist for Metallica.

01:50:20.000 And he was, for some reason, I don't know why, but he likes my show.

01:50:26.000 We were talking.

01:50:26.000 Thank you.

01:50:27.000 I appreciate it.

01:50:27.000 It's weird.

01:50:28.000 I feel like an imposter.

01:50:30.000 That's good.

01:50:30.000 That's why you're good at it.

01:50:31.000 But he loves this stuff.

01:50:32.000 The dude's like, you know, he's in his 60s, like early 60s, and he's fucking obsessed with all of these topics that you cover, I cover, a lot of people cover.

01:50:42.000 And he's like, at the same time, he's, the dude has like got this crazy spark where he's so inspired to do shit and like still creating new music and like coming up with new riffs and wanting to do more things where like I've never met a dude like that who's had so much success,

01:51:05.000 toured everywhere for the last 40 years, being the number one metal band in the world, basically, and still like wanting to learn stuff.

01:51:16.000 The dude is trying to translate ancient Greek music for his guitar and trying to figure out how to play this stuff.

01:51:24.000 He can't figure it out.

01:51:25.000 And he was telling me, he's like, dude, I think this wasn't recreational.

01:51:28.000 He's like, I think this music was magical.

01:51:30.000 He's like, I think they were performing magic.

01:51:32.000 He thinks it was like religious medical rites they were performing with music.

01:51:37.000 It wasn't supposed to be entertainment back in the day.

01:51:39.000 Well, there is this weird connection with music and psychedelics where music can sort of.

01:51:48.000 It changes the trip.

01:51:51.000 Like if you listen to, do you know what Icaros are?

01:51:55.000 No.

01:51:55.000 Icaros are these, hook it up, Jamie.

01:51:58.000 Icaros are these South American songs that they play while you're doing ayahuasca.

01:52:05.000 And if you do DMT and listen to these things, they take over the trip.

01:52:12.000 And the song, the trip moves with the song in harmony.

01:52:18.000 Like, exactly.

01:52:19.000 It's not like the trip is chaotic.

01:52:22.000 And you hear the songs, and these songs are like a technology to move the trip.

01:52:28.000 It's really fascinating.

01:52:30.000 Because you listen to the songs and you're like, well, what are these things?

01:52:33.000 Like, what are they trying to do with these things?

01:52:35.000 They sound kind of weird, but when you listen to these songs while you're tripping, it makes the trip dance.

01:52:40.000 it makes the geometric pattern so So you are lying on the floor.

01:52:49.000 It's Costa Rica.

01:52:54.000 You're lying on a yoga mat in the jungle with a bunch of 40-year-old ladies with boob jobs trying to get their life together. 1.00

01:53:03.000 Tech entrepreneurs.

01:53:04.000 Tech entrepreneurs, Navy SEALs.

01:53:09.000 And you just threw up, you have horrible diarrhea. 0.50

01:53:13.000 And this trip just starts coming on.

01:53:15.000 I think I just found Jesus.

01:53:16.000 Give me a little more, something with a little more beat to it.

01:53:19.000 I got some on my phone.

01:53:21.000 I heard the one that you had Luke on recently, Luke Cavern.

01:53:24.000 He's great.

01:53:25.000 He had a great little clip that he played.

01:53:27.000 Here we go.

01:53:28.000 This is my favorite one.

01:53:34.000 They dance.

01:53:36.000 They dance to this song while you're tripping.

01:53:40.000 You know, the psychedelic experience dances to this song.

01:53:44.000 When you're lying there with your eyes closed.

01:53:49.000 That's wild.

01:53:50.000 And the whole time, it's like synchronized together.

01:53:54.000 And the whole time it's doing it, it's like a method for showing you more things.

01:53:59.000 And as you go through it with the music, there's something comforting in the pattern of the music and the way it dances to the music that allows you to relax and unveils more and more of itself.

01:54:11.000 It's very trippy.

01:54:12.000 And the fact that these guys figure this out.

01:54:15.000 How did you figure this out?

01:54:16.000 Yeah, man.

01:54:18.000 Your friend is probably right.

01:54:19.000 The Metallica guy's probably right.

01:54:21.000 Yeah.

01:54:21.000 It's probably, they were probably, that music probably synchronized with the trips when they were doing the Illusion Mysteries and stuff.

01:54:29.000 When I went to their concert in Tampa the other day, and I was walking, it made me regret not going to more concerts when I was younger, but being in that stadium, the Buck Stadium, where there was 90,000 people, every seat in that arena was full.

01:54:42.000 And you hear, don't do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.

01:54:47.000 Well, it goes black.

01:54:49.000 There it is.

01:54:50.000 Lightning strike.

01:54:51.000 Look at this.

01:54:52.000 Look at this.

01:54:52.000 Insane.

01:54:53.000 Lightning strike.

01:54:54.000 It caused an earthquake.

01:54:57.000 There actually super dangerous, but that was fast.

01:55:01.000 That is fucking insane.

01:55:02.000 Ride the lightning, bitch. 1.00

01:55:09.000 That's so dangerous.

01:55:10.000 Dude, being there with 90,000 people, the light, the thundering electric guitars, and the fire, the pyrotechnics, and all those people like focusing, like all 90,000 people, every atom in their body is vibrating at the same frequency.

01:55:28.000 And it just like, that is, it's like magic that penetrates every fiber of your being.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:33.000 And if I was a dude from 2,000 years ago and took a time machine to that Metallica concert, those dudes are gods, right?

01:55:40.000 They're fucking gods.

01:55:40.000 And I think that's what the Hallucinian Mysteries probably was.

01:55:43.000 Well, they probably had music that enhanced the trip.

01:55:48.000 It probably guided the trip.

01:55:49.000 They probably learned how to do it while they were tripping.

01:55:53.000 Like, they figured out so much.

01:55:54.000 They figured out democracy.

01:55:56.000 They started so much of what we think of as like Western government.

01:56:01.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 And the scientific method, democracy, all this stuff.

01:56:06.000 Tripping balls.

01:56:07.000 And then the Romans came along and said, stop. 0.92

01:56:10.000 We're here to make slaves out of you fucking people. 1.00

01:56:13.000 We don't want you tripping.

01:56:14.000 Yeah, that was, yeah, they killed Eleusis in like, what, 400 AD, I think.

01:56:14.000 Right.

01:56:18.000 Well, they did exactly the same things the Nixon administration did to psychedelics in this country.

01:56:23.000 They're like, oh, this is a problem.

01:56:25.000 When they were turning everything Schedule I to try to stop the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement, that's the exact same thing.

01:56:31.000 Like governments, when they get to a certain position of power, they're not representing the people anymore.

01:56:37.000 Now they're the fucking jack-booted thugs that tell you what you can and can't do based on how inconvenient it is for you to be doing that for them running things.

01:56:45.000 Right.

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 It's just, it's terrible.

01:56:48.000 It's the opposite of what it should be.

01:56:49.000 It's the opposite of what got us.

01:56:50.000 It's the opposite of what got us here, I think, bro.

01:56:52.000 Yes.

01:56:53.000 We're too big now.

01:56:54.000 There's too many of us.

01:56:55.000 That's part of the problem.

01:56:56.000 It's like you want to govern 330 million people plus Mexicans.

01:57:00.000 Good luck.

01:57:01.000 I had this dude on my show, speaking of the academic, the strife between the academics and the self-taught online people, influencers, whatever you want to call them.

01:57:10.000 This dude was, he was kicked out of his university for, first of all, he wrote a dissertation on ancient pharmacy, the Roman pharmacy and Greek pharmacy.

01:57:22.000 And it was a dissertation based on this guy named Galen, who was like the surgeon general of ancient Rome.

01:57:27.000 And he had a chapter in his dissertation, his PhD dissertation, about recreational drugs in Rome.

01:57:33.000 And the head of the department reviewed his dissertation and said, everything looks great.

01:57:38.000 Delete the section on recreational drugs in ancient Rome.

01:57:43.000 So he's like, okay, why?

01:57:45.000 They're like, because the Romans wouldn't do such a thing. 0.99

01:57:47.000 So he's like, okay.

01:57:48.000 He deleted it and then submitted it, got his PhD, and then wrote a book based on that part of the dissertation that he left out, which the book was called The Chemical Muse.

01:57:57.000 And I learned about this from Hamilton Morris.

01:57:59.000 He did a podcast with the dude first.

01:58:02.000 And I read that book.

01:58:03.000 And, you know, he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in antiquity during the Roman times.

01:58:09.000 Like, they were being used for everything because people were not dying from old age.

01:58:13.000 They were dying from war, hand-to-hand combat, famine, plague.

01:58:18.000 Infection.

01:58:19.000 All these things.

01:58:19.000 Infection.

01:58:20.000 So like people were constantly using drugs.

01:58:25.000 And there was a law in ancient Rome that he said there was only one law when it came to using drugs.

01:58:29.000 And that was that you were not allowed to kill people with drugs.

01:58:34.000 You were not allowed to murder people, which is why Marcus Aurelius was using this drug compound called a Theriac.

01:58:43.000 And the Theriac was a concoction of like 11 different North African vipers, their flesh and their venom, combined with opium and all kinds of like bodily fluids. 0.93

01:58:54.000 And he was using this as like a performance-enhancing drug.

01:58:57.000 Whoa.

01:58:58.000 Because people were trying to assassinate him with poisons.

01:59:01.000 That's how they assassinated people.

01:59:03.000 They were using scorpions, poisons, arrows, all different kinds of weird things to sneak in and kill him.

01:59:09.000 So he was drinking this theriac to build up his immune system against the vitamin, against the venoms.

01:59:16.000 And dude, this dude Galen, who wrote about this shit, he was talking about giving, he was Marcus Aurelius' physician.

01:59:23.000 And he was like, Marcus Aurelius, he's like, it's getting ridiculous.

01:59:26.000 It's getting annoying.

01:59:27.000 I keep having to up his opium dose.

01:59:29.000 He keeps using more and more fucking opium.

01:59:31.000 I can't get him off of it.

01:59:33.000 Oh, my God.

01:59:34.000 And so Galen, the physician, the surgeon general of the Roman Empire under Marcus Aurelius and Nero, I think, basically equates to 10% of all the Greek literature from antiquity.

01:59:53.000 10% of it is medical.

01:59:54.000 And this dude that wrote this dissertation, based it all off Galen, is talking about all these drug compounds that are used in all the literature.

02:00:03.000 So what he does is he looks at all the ancient literature from Homer to, you know, like 800, to like the time that Beowulf was written, basically, AD.

02:00:17.000 And he's like finding all of this evidence of crazy drug use.

02:00:25.000 And he has this crazy theory also that, I don't know if it's crazy.

02:00:28.000 I don't know.

02:00:29.000 The problem like with talking to people like them, like him, is that I don't know ancient Greek.

02:00:35.000 I can't read it.

02:00:36.000 And I've tried to have like four or five academics come on the show to like refute him, but they won't come on with him.

02:00:42.000 They all refuse to debate him, except for one guy.

02:00:45.000 Interesting.

02:00:46.000 Because he's saying Christ is a drug.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:46.000 Why?

02:00:49.000 Oh, I saw that video.

02:00:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:51.000 You see the whole thing?

02:00:52.000 No, I saw that video pop up my YouTube.

02:00:53.000 My Danny Jones is going crazy.

02:00:55.000 What is he doing?

02:00:56.000 Christ is a drug?

02:00:58.000 But that's also what John Marco Allegro alleges.

02:01:02.000 Sort of.

02:01:02.000 Kind of.

02:01:03.000 Well, he said that the ancient Sumerian word for a mushroom, no, for Christ is a mushroom that's covered in God's semen.

02:01:11.000 Yeah.

02:01:11.000 Because the mushrooms would come out of the ground, and they thought the rain was God coming on the earth, and that's where, you know, that's what gave life to the earth.

02:01:19.000 And then they would take these mushrooms and see God.

02:01:21.000 Right.

02:01:22.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 I don't know much about John Marco Allegro, but I think that I read his book, the sacred mushroom in the cross.

02:01:29.000 He was like using Sumerian roots or something to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:01:33.000 But this guy's basically saying the word Christ, the root of the word Christ is Hreo in Greek, right?

02:01:40.000 And it was used since Homer.

02:01:43.000 And there's all these passages, which he's, this dude sent me.

02:01:46.000 I've literally, I call him all the time and I ask him, I'm like, I need more evidence.

02:01:50.000 Send me more shit.

02:01:51.000 And he sends me passages from like ancient literature, Homer, that's translated with English directly under it.

02:01:57.000 And they're using this word, Christ, as a term for applying drugs to people in antiquity.

02:02:03.000 Whoa.

02:02:04.000 Like Christing arrows with poisons, right?

02:02:07.000 It's like.

02:02:08.000 And in what year was this where they were doing this?

02:02:11.000 Back all the way to like 800 BC.

02:02:14.000 It was when Homer starts using it.

02:02:16.000 So they're using this term before Christ.

02:02:18.000 Way before Christ.

02:02:19.000 It was, well, so to be clear, in antiquity, if you look it up on the thesaurus, the actual like Greek thesaurus, it's called the TLG, and you look up the word Christ, there's over 200,000 or more uses of the word Christ.

02:02:35.000 And there's like 350 times where it's used in the context of drugs before Jesus Christ is ever written about.

02:02:42.000 Whoa.

02:02:44.000 And what he's basically claiming is that there's like, it's the process of applying something.

02:02:52.000 Like there's different contexts.

02:02:54.000 Like there's a guy who like Christed himself in fucking cow shit.

02:02:58.000 There's people who are Christing ships with plaster to make them more waterproof.

02:03:04.000 But there's a vast majority of literature, including Galen, who writes about Christing using drugs.

02:03:11.000 And he's coming up with this controversial theory, which is, you know, super fucking controversial, that Christ was like, if you think of the word Christ, a person can be a Christer, like a Christ.

02:03:23.000 Like think of Bob the Builder.

02:03:25.000 He's a builder.

02:03:26.000 He builds shit.

02:03:27.000 Christ was, they called him Jesus the Christ.

02:03:30.000 So he thinks Christ was somebody who was involved with drugs, taking drugs, giving people drugs.

02:03:35.000 performing magic, like a shaman.

02:03:35.000 A shaman.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:38.000 Similar to that.

02:03:39.000 And like, by the way, a real shaman would say all the things that Jesus said.

02:03:46.000 Yes.

02:03:46.000 That's true.

02:03:47.000 That's a good point.

02:03:48.000 So, and it gets like, it gets way weirder, bro.

02:03:54.000 And again, like, this is all according to him.

02:03:57.000 I don't know if any of this is real.

02:03:58.000 I just find it fucking fascinating.

02:04:00.000 And I wish I could find somebody who really knows the Greek to debate this dude and call him out in his bullshit, but I can't. 0.74

02:04:05.000 The only person I've found was an exorcist who's done like 10,000 exorcisms on Skype.

02:04:11.000 A Skype exorcist.

02:04:13.000 A Skype exorcist.

02:04:14.000 Boy, that sounds like a scam and a half.

02:04:15.000 And he came in and they were just arguing about it for a little while.

02:04:18.000 And the guy tried to baptize me with holy oil.

02:04:21.000 And, you know, I got into an argument with him about drugs.

02:04:24.000 He tried to baptize you?

02:04:25.000 Yeah, he brought holy oil, and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil.

02:04:29.000 Did he say why he was doing this?

02:04:31.000 Because he thinks that Satan is inside of me.

02:04:35.000 Of me, yeah.

02:04:35.000 Of you?

02:04:36.000 And which might be.

02:04:38.000 What evidence did he have that Satan was inside of you?

02:04:41.000 Because I like to consume drugs recreationally.

02:04:44.000 And I was telling him, if Satan is drugs, if I can smoke marijuana and it's prescribed by a doctor, is it still Satan?

02:04:50.000 He goes, no, don't play those games with me.

02:04:52.000 And I'm like, well, how come every time I get really, really fucking bombed, I think about things like spending more times with my kids and things like good things?

02:05:02.000 And he's like, don't try to patronize me.

02:05:04.000 You know what it is.

02:05:05.000 It's the devil.

02:05:06.000 Oh, he's a fool.

02:05:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:08.000 That's a problem.

02:05:09.000 This guy's a show.

02:05:09.000 It's a showman.

02:05:10.000 Well, cannabis was used in churches.

02:05:13.000 They used to, you know, the incense where they would go around, that was cannabis.

02:05:17.000 They would use that.

02:05:18.000 And they would get everybody in the church high.

02:05:18.000 Right, right.

02:05:20.000 Infumigate it, yeah.

02:05:21.000 Yeah, they would literally hotbox the church.

02:05:23.000 And this is a part of this whole ritual of, you know, giving in to Christ, giving in to God.

02:05:32.000 Right.

02:05:33.000 The idea that it's bad, because some people have bad experiences, man, you could apply that to almost anything.

02:05:39.000 I think marijuana makes people more compassionate, kinder, more sensitive, but also paranoid.

02:05:46.000 You could freak out.

02:05:47.000 If you're riddled with anxiety and you have a hard time controlling that anxiety in your mind and you take a high dose of marijuana, you could freak out.

02:05:55.000 It's also connected to schizophrenia.

02:05:57.000 Because I think there's people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway, and then a large dose of marijuana tends to give them psychotic breaks.

02:06:05.000 There's like real literature.

02:06:06.000 There's real evidence of that.

02:06:08.000 So this is like important that if you're a person who thinks that marijuana is overall net positive, which I do, it's important to talk about the negatives, just like everything else.

02:06:16.000 Like alcohol, food, everything.

02:06:20.000 There's a lot of different things that if you drink too much water, you'll fucking die.

02:06:24.000 Okay?

02:06:25.000 There's a lot of things that aren't good for you under certain circumstances.

02:06:28.000 But the only way we know how to do it and how not to do it is to do studies.

02:06:34.000 And when it's illegal and you're terrified, you can go to jail.

02:06:37.000 Or if you're an academic and you want to study this as your main thing, you just get dismissed.

02:06:43.000 It could be career suicide.

02:06:45.000 Right.

02:06:46.000 So these people are foolish.

02:06:48.000 Yeah, and that's the problem.

02:06:49.000 Like, like, this was the only dude I could get to agree to come sit with him because this guy had a YouTube channel.

02:06:54.000 He wanted to promote himself and all this stuff.

02:06:55.000 But like a lot of the academics, I talked to a lot of Harvard philologists to try to come debate this guy.

02:07:00.000 And like the philologists, like there's a difference between a linguist, which I think Mark Olegar was and a philologist, where the linguists look at the actual complexities of the text itself and the language.

02:07:12.000 But the philologists, what they do is they're looking for context.

02:07:14.000 So what they do is they take words and they try to figure out what these specific words meant in certain time periods.

02:07:22.000 So they take a word, take their time machine back, let's take it back to 200 BC, 100 BC, whatever it is.

02:07:30.000 And they say, okay, let's just use the example of the word Rio, Christ.

02:07:34.000 Let's look at all of the corpus of all the fucking literature that existed in the Library of Alexandria.

02:07:40.000 There was ancient comedy, ancient play.

02:07:42.000 What did you say there?

02:07:43.000 The word free.

02:07:44.000 What did you say?

02:07:45.000 Hreo.

02:07:45.000 Hrio?

02:07:46.000 Creo.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, that's Rio.

02:07:48.000 It's like, it's spelled X-R-I-O, but it's pronounced like Hreo.

02:07:52.000 And that was the original word for Christ?

02:07:54.000 The original word for Christ is Hreo, yeah.

02:07:56.000 And I've had people like confirm this with me.

02:07:57.000 And I recently had a fucking scholar on the show, a religious scholar who turned atheist.

02:08:02.000 Weirdly enough, he started out Christian and turned atheist.

02:08:05.000 And he was telling me, he's like, I'd be surprised if the word Creo was ever used before Christ.

02:08:11.000 And I literally pulled up the source of Euripides talking about using Christing drugs in like, I think it was 200 BC.

02:08:20.000 And the dude was like blown away.

02:08:22.000 So he didn't know that.

02:08:23.000 And this dude's like a serious academic.

02:08:23.000 He didn't know it.

02:08:25.000 So this guy that you had on your podcast, what is his name again, the Christed drug guy?

02:08:28.000 Amin Hillman.

02:08:29.000 Amin Hillman.

02:08:30.000 And so he's a legit scholar.

02:08:30.000 Yeah.

02:08:33.000 He's a legit scholar, PhD.

02:08:34.000 And other legit scholars are unwilling to even entertain this?

02:08:38.000 Yes.

02:08:40.000 I've talked to many of them on the phone, and a lot of them say they don't want to give him, I won't name the people, but one of them said that they just don't want to give him the platform or the credibility of being in the same room.

02:08:53.000 Other people say that it would just take too much time for them to prep for it.

02:08:57.000 And I just think it's bullshit.

02:08:58.000 Like I, this is the only way to get to the truth is to hear like a credible person dismantle his argument, right?

02:09:05.000 So like I have it.

02:09:06.000 I just keep falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of all this crazy ancient Greek shit.

02:09:11.000 And like, you know, he's talking about ancient vaccines that they were using.

02:09:15.000 Like similar to what we're talking about with the theriac, he says that there's text that talks about cutting kids, cutting children, soaking bandages and snake venoms, and wrapping the cut with a snake venom so that the young person would create antibodies because they have more robust immune systems because they're younger.

02:09:34.000 And they would use the kid's bodily fluid as fucking vaccines to snake bites. 0.95

02:09:40.000 Yeah.

02:09:41.000 Ooh, they were making kids into vaccine factories?

02:09:44.000 They were turning kids into vaccine factories.

02:09:46.000 So that they get snake venom.

02:09:47.000 Because everyone was getting bitten by snakes back then.

02:09:49.000 Of course.

02:09:50.000 And then they would take drugs too.

02:09:51.000 I'm sure they would take psychotropic drugs that would, and they would call them death-inducing drugs, where they would have snake venoms. 0.96

02:09:58.000 They would like take snake venom drugs That if you don't have an antidote for it, an antichrist for it, that you would die.

02:10:06.000 So you have to take this antidote so you don't die from the fucking drug you just drank, right?

02:10:13.000 These antidotes.

02:10:14.000 And like he connects this all to Jesus in this elaborate way, where there's Mark 14:53, where Jesus is caught in the Garden of Gethsemane with the naked boy, right?

02:10:25.000 And then there's a scene of the young boy running away naked, right?

02:10:29.000 When the Roman SWAT team pulls up on him, and then the little kid runs away.

02:10:32.000 He goes, oh, I'm not a trafficker.

02:10:34.000 I'm not a robber, whatever the word lace dash means, means like pirate, trafficker, robber.

02:10:39.000 And then they take him, and then he's on the cross the next day, and he's like screaming out, like dying of thirst in between two traffickers.

02:10:49.000 And he's asking, and there's this dude, Nonus, who writes about this scene specifically in ancient Greek, and he talks about them giving him trying to give him the sponge and he's denying the sponge, right?

02:11:01.000 So the sponge, Nonas, is writing about this, that the sponge is the antidotone to the dipsos, which is the antidote to the North African viper.

02:11:10.000 But he's refusing to take the antidote.

02:11:12.000 He's just dying because he took this death inducer at 4 a.m. in the park, in the Garden of Gethsemane.

02:11:17.000 And now he's just going to let himself die on the cross.

02:11:20.000 So like, yeah, there's that.

02:11:23.000 I don't know.

02:11:23.000 I don't know what to make of any of it.

02:11:26.000 Of this stuff.

02:11:27.000 I just, you know, I hear people saying that it's all bullshit.

02:11:30.000 But like, fuck, is it interesting?

02:11:33.000 Well, bizarre that they use the term Christ before Christ.

02:11:36.000 Just bizarre.

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:36.000 It's been used.

02:11:37.000 Yeah, you can look it up.

02:11:38.000 It's used all throughout Homer, Euripides, all these other authors.

02:11:41.000 Like, there's, like, again, getting back to the philology stuff, the philologists, they go back in time and they look at the context of all of the literature.

02:11:50.000 Not just the biblical canon, which is like a narrow lane of ancient literature, right?

02:11:55.000 But they're looking at the philosophy, the legal texts, the medical texts, everything, and saying, okay, let's take this word, look where it's used in all of these different texts throughout all kinds of professions, and see what the consensus is of what it meant during that time period.

02:12:12.000 And what he's claiming is that the fucking word Christ meant drugs back then.

02:12:17.000 Whoa.

02:12:18.000 Yeah.

02:12:20.000 Whoa.

02:12:21.000 Pretty bananas.

02:12:22.000 Well, it's so hard to know what all that stuff was about.

02:12:26.000 It's so hard to know why these people wrote these things down.

02:12:30.000 You know, when I had Weshoff on, one of the things he talked about is the book of Isaiah.

02:12:34.000 When you see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then a thousand years later, it's verbatim.

02:12:40.000 A thousand years after the Dead Sea Scroll, the version that they find of the book of Isaiah is word for word.

02:12:45.000 Really?

02:12:46.000 A thousand years.

02:12:46.000 Yeah.

02:12:47.000 Like, what were they trying to document?

02:12:50.000 Like, what were the original stories?

02:12:51.000 Because, like, human beings are not a good source of information, especially back then.

02:12:56.000 It's just too hard to be accountable.

02:13:00.000 Why would you be honest?

02:13:01.000 People make grandiose claims.

02:13:03.000 They exaggerate.

02:13:04.000 We see it today.

02:13:05.000 It's like humans today are the same as humans back then.

02:13:08.000 We're flawed.

02:13:10.000 So we know today that our versions of history are deeply biased.

02:13:15.000 Our versions of world events, our versions of, I mean, if the United States government could write the story about the invasion of Iraq without investigative journalists, right?

02:13:25.000 What would be the story?

02:13:26.000 And this is part of the problem.

02:13:27.000 It's like we don't really know what they were trying to say.

02:13:30.000 It was an oral history for who knows how long before they ever wrote down the Old Testament.

02:13:36.000 And it got redacted and added to over time.

02:13:38.000 There's like all kinds of weird secret gospels, secret gospel of Mark that they claim that this dude, Morton Smith, came up with, which was similar to Amon's theories.

02:13:47.000 But then, you know, people say, oh, that's a forgery.

02:13:49.000 It's a forgery.

02:13:50.000 If the secret gospel of Mark's a forgery, he fucking knew Greek really well, and he knew the culture really well and all the cults, you know, and like.

02:13:58.000 Dude, like, you know, even like the mysteries of the hospitals in ancient Rome, like the temples of Asclepius and doing all those rituals in the temples of Asclepius, using medicine and drugs simultaneously and these venoms and all this stuff is interesting to learn, you know, and especially when you compare that stuff to the biblical stuff, you know, like how much has it been changed?

02:14:28.000 How much has the meaning been changed?

02:14:31.000 And like the people, most of the academics who study this stuff are maybe not most of them, but a large majority, a large percentage of them, I think, that I've talked to.

02:14:43.000 They're religious scholars, scholars of the Bible and Christianity, but they also subscribe to Christianity.

02:14:50.000 You know, so I'm like, is that like a, it's weird that there's kind of like a built-in bias into this stuff.

02:14:56.000 You kind of want this stuff to mean something.

02:14:58.000 Right.

02:14:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:14:59.000 Yes, for sure.

02:15:01.000 That was what was interesting about Allegro.

02:15:02.000 Because John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who, once he became a theologian, a theologist, theologian, rather, once he studied theology, he started to have agnostic thoughts.

02:15:15.000 And so when he was one of the decipherers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, when he was on the committee, he was agnostic at the time.

02:15:22.000 So he had already decided through his study of all these different religions that maybe he wouldn't subscribe to any of them and leave an open mind.

02:15:30.000 So he was the only person on the commission that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls over a period of like 14 million, or 14 years rather.

02:15:38.000 He studied this stuff.

02:15:40.000 He was the only one who was agnostic.

02:15:43.000 And again, his claims are widely dismissed by many, many people.

02:15:51.000 What does he think?

02:15:51.000 Does he?

02:15:54.000 He came up under this, under like some of the top classical scholars of modern times.

02:16:00.000 One of those dudes is Carl Ruck.

02:16:01.000 He wrote The Road to Eleusis.

02:16:03.000 And this other guy is John Scarborough, who's dead now.

02:16:05.000 And for some reason, none of them, whenever I ask him about Allegra, I'm like, I don't fucking know.

02:16:10.000 They don't pay attention to it for some reason.

02:16:11.000 Well, I think you would have to be a real scholar in biblical languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying.

02:16:17.000 Yeah.

02:16:19.000 And to be able to translate ancient Sumer.

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 Ancient Sumerian, according to Wes Huff, he's like, I tried.

02:16:26.000 I couldn't even figure it out.

02:16:27.000 Also, how does ancient Sumerian connect to Hebrew?

02:16:30.000 Right.

02:16:31.000 Is there any correlation between ancient Sumerian and ancient Hebrew?

02:16:34.000 Do they share any roots?

02:16:36.000 Are there any bridges that connect those two languages?

02:16:38.000 I have no idea.

02:16:39.000 I don't know either.

02:16:41.000 But you know, you're dealing with if it really goes back that far.

02:16:45.000 So if he's talking about this term from ancient Sumer, where they are calling it a drug.

02:16:50.000 They're saying it's a mushroom.

02:16:51.000 And this is from 5,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago.

02:16:54.000 You know, you're predating the Bible by a long stretch.

02:16:57.000 And how old was that?

02:16:59.000 I mean, if they're right about Turkey and Turkey was the original civilization, like, when is that?

02:17:06.000 Is that 12,000 years ago?

02:17:08.000 What is the real date of Egypt?

02:17:10.000 What is the real date of the original structures of Egypt?

02:17:13.000 Do they know?

02:17:14.000 I mean, we're told it's 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid, but boy, there's a lot of people that don't agree with that, including geologists.

02:17:22.000 When you get guys like Robert Schock who say like this water erosion is thousands of years of rainfall, last time you had a heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley, you're looking at 9,000 years ago.

02:17:30.000 So you have thousands of years of rainfall before 9,000 years ago that's going to create this kind of erosion.

02:17:36.000 And so it's hard to know because everybody wants to be right.

02:17:39.000 And they all have this date that they've been talking about and writing books about and giving lectures about.

02:17:45.000 They never want to revise that.

02:17:47.000 They gatekeep that information until the day.

02:17:49.000 They never want to have an open mind and say, perhaps there is evidence, of course, that there was a sophisticated civilization there 2,500 BC, but maybe they were a part of a very old civilization.

02:18:03.000 And this is the Zeptepi thing that Zawi Hawass was totally ignorant of. 0.69

02:18:08.000 And he thought it was just completely bullshit.

02:18:10.000 And this is the king's list that goes back 30,000 years that they talk about and the way Egyptologists that are conventional thinkers, they think that it's mythology.

02:18:23.000 They think that's myth.

02:18:24.000 But, you know, you get to about 2,500 BC, that's all real.

02:18:28.000 Well, how the fuck do you know?

02:18:31.000 Right, they don't.

02:18:32.000 You don't.

02:18:32.000 And also, if there was an advanced civilization 11,800 years ago that was able to create Gobekli Tepe, which we know now to be true, what else have we not found?

02:18:44.000 Was it a breakaway civilization?

02:18:44.000 Right.

02:18:45.000 Did they escape the earth and go to the moon?

02:18:46.000 Right.

02:18:47.000 Right.

02:18:47.000 Or like they're trying to do now?

02:18:49.000 Or, you know, was it just that they had achieved a very high level of sophistication in technology that's very different from the path that we took?

02:18:58.000 That's what I think.

02:18:58.000 Right, totally.

02:18:59.000 I think the path that they took involved immense stone structures, cosmology.

02:19:05.000 They probably didn't have internal combustion engines.

02:19:07.000 They probably had a completely different kind of technology that we wouldn't even think of because we went in this internal combustion engine, plastic, microchip, electricity.

02:19:16.000 We went into that direction.

02:19:18.000 But you could imagine primitive man evolving to create technology that's far different than the way we went.

02:19:27.000 Yeah.

02:19:28.000 Do you think we might have cracked that somewhere?

02:19:30.000 Like in some deep black programs that we could have that, they wouldn't want to unleash that on society because it could like fuck up the economic system or like collapse the world? 0.90

02:19:38.000 I know Jesse Michaels believes that there is gravity technology that they were researching in the 1960s and that they had achieved some sort of breakthrough propulsion system that is probably a lot of what you see when you see these UAPs and these crafts that move in very strange ways.

02:19:56.000 That makes sense to me.

02:19:58.000 And again, the idea that they couldn't keep that secret, shut the fuck up.

02:20:01.000 Of course they could.

02:20:02.000 Of course they could.

02:20:03.000 There's this lady, Catherine Fitz, who's the she was the head of the department of HUD under George Bush.

02:20:10.000 And they brought her in after the mortgage crisis to figure out how to restabilize the economy and what the banks were doing and all this stuff.

02:20:19.000 And she was looking at missing money.

02:20:23.000 And she found that there was like when she applied her knowledge of mathematics and what's going on with the federal budget and where all the money's going, she said the most reasonable explanation, you know, there's like $21 trillion missing from the DOD the day before 9-11, Donald Rumpsfeld.

02:20:44.000 There's like two to two and a half trillion dollars, whatever it was.

02:20:49.000 Now that's ballooned to like $21 trillion.

02:20:51.000 And she thinks that, you know, pull up the spreadsheet, see where that money went. 0.97

02:20:56.000 Oh, it's not on the receipt.

02:20:57.000 I don't know where it went.

02:20:58.000 She thinks it went to like black budget shit, like military, black military technology, like anti-gravity.

02:21:05.000 And she thinks that Mr. Global, whoever that is, the bankers, the central bankers, are literally using all of that money and funneling it into black projects to create a breakaway civilization in case there's like some sort of catastrophe on Earth or something happens.

02:21:23.000 And like.

02:21:23.000 Oh, God.

02:21:24.000 Where are they doing this?

02:21:25.000 They're doing this at fucking Lockheed Martin.

02:21:27.000 I don't know.

02:21:28.000 Maybe.

02:21:28.000 Underground or something?

02:21:29.000 That's another thing she says.

02:21:29.000 Yeah.

02:21:29.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:30.000 She says there's a lot of money that's going into building all these underground bases, continuity of government, tunnel systems, all this stuff.

02:21:38.000 And I'm looking at this.

02:21:39.000 I'm like, she legit worked under the Bush administration.

02:21:41.000 She was like a financial genius.

02:21:43.000 Right, but she could be a kook. 1.00

02:21:45.000 She could be.

02:21:46.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

02:21:47.000 When people are super intelligent, but also crazy.

02:21:50.000 You know, and also had a prominent position in government, but also crazy.

02:21:50.000 Yeah.

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:56.000 I guess there's a lot of really intelligent people that are super crazy.

02:21:59.000 And does she physically, has she been to these places?

02:22:02.000 Like, how does she know that they're real?

02:22:04.000 Does she know, has she talked to someone to explain this breakaway civilization thing, or is this just a theory?

02:22:10.000 She's friends with the dude who wrote the book that's titled Swastika's Psyops and Saucers.

02:22:16.000 What?

02:22:18.000 What's that book about?

02:22:20.000 How the Nazis are controlling UFOs and PSYOPs and controlling the world and, you know, playing the world like it's their fucking docudrama and recreating reality and inventing all this crazy off-world stuff and how Roswell was Soviet Union crashing stuff here. 0.88

02:22:37.000 And basically it's all Nazi black budget stuff, I think is like the main point of that. 0.90

02:22:42.000 Do they dismiss the idea that we're visited at all by something from somewhere else?

02:22:47.000 I mean, what do you mean who?

02:22:48.000 Who?

02:22:49.000 These people that think that it's all Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff.

02:22:53.000 I don't think that they're saying it's all that, but they're probably saying, I haven't read all his books, but I think he's saying when he wrote that book, it was probably all Nazis, no aliens.

02:23:03.000 But now I'm sure his points, his views have evolved on it.

02:23:07.000 That's part of the problem, too.

02:23:08.000 It's like, you know, when you see these reports, whenever I see a story that's in the New York Times where the Pentagon is admitting we have, you know, there's been off-world crafts and all these different things, and you get these David Grush guys that are testifying about that we've recovered crashed vehicles.

02:23:25.000 It's like, how much of that is a PSYOP?

02:23:28.000 I think most of it.

02:23:29.000 I think a lot of it.

02:23:30.000 Yeah.

02:23:30.000 I don't even know if they know it's a PSYOP.

02:23:33.000 But if I was the government and I was working on top secret propulsion systems, the first thing I would do is spread a bunch of fake rumors about UFOs.

02:23:40.000 Yes.

02:23:40.000 This is how we can't explain it.

02:23:42.000 We're being visited.

02:23:42.000 We don't know.

02:23:43.000 They're super intelligent.

02:23:44.000 We don't know where they're from.

02:23:45.000 We don't know how they're doing this.

02:23:47.000 And then you have an explanation for why these people are seeing these things in the sky when it's really just your shit that you're flying around. 0.58

02:23:53.000 But yet, if you listen to Jacques Valley and you read any of his books, he's got these stories that people were telling from the 1700s and the 1800s that mirror almost exactly the experiences that people are having today.

02:24:08.000 That's where it gets weird because, okay, now you're predating any possibility of this being modern technology, you know, that is just hidden and tucked away.

02:24:19.000 They couldn't have done that in the 1700s.

02:24:21.000 No way.

02:24:22.000 They didn't even have airplanes yet, right?

02:24:24.000 Okay.

02:24:24.000 So if we admit that, then we have to go, okay, well, what's going on then?

02:24:30.000 Is there something else here that's here, that's been here forever, like some people think?

02:24:35.000 Or are we looking at something that's visiting us and keeping an eye on us from somewhere else?

02:24:40.000 That's where it's fun.

02:24:42.000 That's the fun one.

02:24:43.000 The fun one is not that it's ours.

02:24:45.000 The fun one is that we're being visited.

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:48.000 And are we being visited or do they just live under the oceans?

02:24:52.000 You know, like, have they been here fucking forever?

02:24:52.000 Right.

02:24:55.000 And like, you know, there's this case, Richard Dolan came in on my show recently and he was telling me, he wrote this new book about all the underwater cases ever documented, underwater UFOs, USOs.

02:25:05.000 And there's one from like the early 1700s where there was this like ship sailing across the Pacific and this giant glowing orb came out of the ocean.

02:25:18.000 And these sailors all wrote about it.

02:25:20.000 How this massive like football stadium size glowing orb came up out of the ocean and like flew away.

02:25:27.000 And, you know, like if we've, how much of the ocean have we explored?

02:25:30.000 Like how very small amount.

02:25:32.000 We've explored more of the moon, I think.

02:25:33.000 And it would be the perfect base.

02:25:34.000 If you wanted to come here and observe human beings without them being able to see what's going on, that's the best place to hide because no one's going there.

02:25:42.000 They don't have the capability of going there.

02:25:44.000 You know, we have submarines, but I mean, what are the submarines?

02:25:47.000 I mean, if the submarines see things, did they tell us?

02:25:49.000 Yeah.

02:25:50.000 Like if the submarine saw a UFO underwater, would they have a press conference?

02:25:53.000 Right, exactly.

02:25:54.000 We know about the nuclear bases above ground because those guys have come out and talked about it, but like all of the nuclear submarines that are patrolling the oceans at all times, like right off of our coast, off both coasts, like if they're carrying multiple nuclear warheads, I'm sure they're seeing something or they're detecting something there.

02:25:54.000 No.

02:26:11.000 Well, there's this one video of something that was moving 500 knots under the water.

02:26:15.000 Like this thing that like flew by their camera.

02:26:19.000 On the sub?

02:26:21.000 I forget where it was being recorded, but it was a video of something that was like a beam of light that shot through the screen.

02:26:30.000 Like you could see it moving underwater at this insane rate of speed with no ripples, no disruption of the water, just moving through the water.

02:26:41.000 And then there's these transmedium videos, these videos of these things flying.

02:26:45.000 They go into the water with no splash, no nothing.

02:26:48.000 And they don't lose any momentum.

02:26:50.000 Yeah, I think the best evidence that those things have been here forever is probably like ancient stories, biblical story, like aliens and like angels and demon stuff.

02:26:58.000 But Ezekiel.

02:26:59.000 Like before the, yeah, Ezekiel too, right?

02:27:01.000 Ezekiel in the Bible.

02:27:02.000 That story is nuts.

02:27:03.000 The wheel within a wheel, the way he's describing, like, what are you seeing?

02:27:07.000 And imagine there's, you've no context.

02:27:07.000 Right.

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:11.000 Imagine seeing something that's floating, some geometric pattern that's hovering in the sky above your head and emitting light and trying to explain this.

02:27:19.000 And then also going back and trying to remember exactly what you saw because you're probably freaking the fuck out.

02:27:27.000 You really do have some sort of an encounter with some orb that's flying in the sky.

02:27:31.000 How do you even describe it?

02:27:32.000 What context do you put it in?

02:27:34.000 Do you describe it as an alien?

02:27:35.000 Do you describe it as an angel?

02:27:37.000 Do you think it's God?

02:27:38.000 Like, what do you think it is?

02:27:39.000 Right.

02:27:40.000 Does drugs and drugs play a part of it?

02:27:40.000 Or is it drugs?

02:27:42.000 Drugs play a part of it.

02:27:44.000 Well, then there's like James Fox's alien from the Varginia.

02:27:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:47.000 Which smelled like sulfur.

02:27:49.000 And there's biblical accounts of demons smelling like sulfur and having cloven feet.

02:27:49.000 Right.

02:27:53.000 So did that exactly describe that being in James' documentary.

02:27:57.000 Right.

02:27:57.000 The hospital smelled like sulfur for like a week after they said.

02:27:59.000 And the guy who was handling it died of a horrible infection.

02:28:02.000 This is all documented.

02:28:04.000 The guy who picked up the alien, put it in his squad car, took it to a hospital.

02:28:07.000 That hospital wouldn't deal with it.

02:28:09.000 Took it to another hospital.

02:28:11.000 And then that guy dies of a horrible bacterial infection that they can't cure with antibiotics.

02:28:16.000 Yeah, it's fucking nuts, dude.

02:28:18.000 Fucking nuts.

02:28:18.000 And then all the people, the eyewitnesses that were there that saw the thing, and when he brings the police officer to the site of the crash, the officer starts weeping uncontrollably, recounting the story.

02:28:30.000 Unless that guy's the greatest actor of all time.

02:28:32.000 What is going on there?

02:28:33.000 There's the story where he walked up to the guy's house and the guy pulled a gun on him.

02:28:36.000 He's like, you guys come any closer?

02:28:38.000 I'm shooting you.

02:28:38.000 Yeah.

02:28:41.000 Yeah, it's weird shit.

02:28:42.000 It's weird, dude.

02:28:42.000 And it's weird that everyone's trying to paint their own narrative.

02:28:45.000 There's different groups competing on how they want to paint the UFO thing, right?

02:28:50.000 You have different camps of people in the government or in media.

02:28:54.000 I don't know what the difference is.

02:28:55.000 And there's guys like you and I that are basically useful idiots.

02:28:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:28:58.000 They come on our podcast and talk a lot of shit.

02:29:00.000 And we're like, I don't know.

02:29:02.000 Figure it out, folks.

02:29:03.000 Yeah, we're feds.

02:29:04.000 We're feds.

02:29:04.000 We got the Palantir honey trap over here.

02:29:06.000 Like, what is that thing?

02:29:07.000 That thing's all filled with Pegasus.

02:29:09.000 Palantir, bro.

02:29:10.000 They're reading every single one of your little jot downs that you put on that.

02:29:16.000 Yeah.

02:29:16.000 Who knows?

02:29:17.000 But if you did have some sort of like infinitely superior technology and you've had it for a long time, when do you, if ever, let the public know?

02:29:25.000 And how do you do with that too?

02:29:27.000 If you're the guy, right?

02:29:28.000 Like how many, I don't know how many people know all of the secrets, right?

02:29:32.000 But if there is a handful of dudes, how do you go about living your life when you're that dude and when you know like shit that can change the face of humanity forever?

02:29:41.000 How do you go home to your wife and kids, right?

02:29:44.000 Is it like, are you living in that show?

02:29:46.000 What's the show where they go up in the elevator and it wipes their mind?

02:29:49.000 Severance.

02:29:49.000 Oh, severance.

02:29:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:29:50.000 Is it like that?

02:29:51.000 Do they have real-life severance?

02:29:53.000 I don't think so.

02:29:54.000 No, I think they just rely on these people being secret.

02:29:57.000 And, you know, there's the thing about Bob Lazar story.

02:30:00.000 You know, Bob Lazar lost his job because his wife was cheating on him.

02:30:05.000 Because his wife thought that, you know, he couldn't tell her what he was doing.

02:30:08.000 So when he was flying off to S4, he would say, I got to go to work.

02:30:12.000 And she's like, at 11 o'clock at night on a Friday, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:30:15.000 So she starts fucking this other guy.

02:30:17.000 And they were listening to his phone calls.

02:30:19.000 So they had his phone tapped.

02:30:21.000 And because his wife was having an affair, he was deemed to be at a risk of being emotionally unstable.

02:30:26.000 So they released him.

02:30:27.000 And so then he's like, this is bullshit.

02:30:29.000 And he starts telling people, hey, man, we're working on UFOs.

02:30:31.000 They have a crashed UFO.

02:30:33.000 I saw it.

02:30:34.000 They fly it every Wednesday or whatever it was.

02:30:36.000 Come, I'll show you.

02:30:37.000 And so he brings people out to the test site where they can observe from one of the mountains.

02:30:42.000 And then he gets arrested.

02:30:43.000 And then he goes public so that he doesn't get killed.

02:30:46.000 This is his justification of it all.

02:30:48.000 Yeah, I used to think Bob Lazar was full of shit, but I've come around on it.

02:30:52.000 I don't think that anymore.

02:30:53.000 After learning more about all the disinformation and all the time and money they put into just confusing people, like the Paul Benowitz story, I think he would be the perfect candidate to recruit just because of his background.

02:31:06.000 Like, you know, his first wife committed suicide.

02:31:09.000 He ran a brothel.

02:31:11.000 He was a nut.

02:31:11.000 He was a nutcase, dude.

02:31:12.000 And he was also a perfect person.

02:31:13.000 He's perfect.

02:31:14.000 They could deny him so easily.

02:31:15.000 Like, look at this dude's background.

02:31:16.000 You think we would hire this dude?

02:31:18.000 And also a legitimate genius.

02:31:19.000 Right.

02:31:20.000 I mean, the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985.

02:31:25.000 Yeah.

02:31:28.000 He was a nut.

02:31:29.000 He converted his Corvette to a hydrogen engine in like, you know, I think it was the 90s.

02:31:35.000 He did that.

02:31:36.000 He had a hydrogen-powered Corvette that he engineered himself.

02:31:40.000 See if you can find Bob Lazar's hydrogen-powered Corvette.

02:31:43.000 He was a nut.

02:31:45.000 You know, but he doesn't seem like a liar.

02:31:48.000 And the podcast, obviously it resonates with people because I think the podcast I had with him on YouTube is the most viewed podcast that we've ever had, including Donald Trump.

02:31:57.000 Really?

02:31:58.000 Is that true, Jamie?

02:31:59.000 No?

02:31:59.000 Who's number one?

02:32:00.000 Donnie Beatham.

02:32:01.000 Who's number one?

02:32:02.000 First Elon podcast.

02:32:03.000 First Elon's number one.

02:32:03.000 Elon.

02:32:05.000 That was the one when he smoked weed.

02:32:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:06.000 Yeah.

02:32:07.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:32:08.000 The smoking weed really took it over the top.

02:32:11.000 That was a good moment.

02:32:12.000 Do you smoke on all podcasts?

02:32:13.000 No.

02:32:14.000 Just certain ones.

02:32:14.000 No.

02:32:15.000 Just certain specimens.

02:32:16.000 Yeah, so this is Bob Lazar's hydrogen-powered Corvette.

02:32:19.000 That's amazing.

02:32:20.000 What a fucking kook. 1.00

02:32:22.000 What a kook.

02:32:22.000 It's beautiful.

02:32:23.000 I mean, who fucking did that?

02:32:25.000 This guy created a hydrogen-powered Corvette, and that's an old-ass Corvette, too.

02:32:28.000 That's a shitty one in the 90s.

02:32:30.000 If you're throwing shit at the wall, trying to figure out a new way to move fucking planes, you might as well find people like this.

02:32:36.000 A homemade hydrogen-powered Corvette.

02:32:38.000 Look at this.

02:32:39.000 Play it.

02:32:40.000 Go full screen.

02:32:42.000 Oh, this is way throwback.

02:32:44.000 Yeah.

02:32:44.000 I don't hear anything.

02:32:46.000 Is this Reddit?

02:32:47.000 The tank's heated, it produces hydrogen, and the car burns it.

02:32:51.000 So there's never much gaseous hydrogen in the system at any given time.

02:32:58.000 So these are the fuel points.

02:33:00.000 No, what are these?

02:33:02.000 These are the heater in the tank and also reads back the temperature of the tank.

02:33:10.000 What is that important?

02:33:12.000 Well, when you apply heat to hydride, it releases hydrogen.

02:33:16.000 So as power is applied to here, it heats the hydride, and then the gas comes out to the big hoses on the end.

02:33:24.000 They have four hoses.

02:33:25.000 Do they all mix into one big hose or something?

02:33:28.000 Didn't he hang out with Ed Teller or talk to Ed Teller at one point?

02:33:32.000 I don't know.

02:33:33.000 At a certain rate with a certain temperature.

02:33:35.000 And a single tank, you can't get it out at the volume you need.

02:33:40.000 So this guy was a legitimate genius and a propulsion expert.

02:33:44.000 And that's why they brought him in to say, how does this work?

02:33:48.000 And that story, he's told the same story for, you know, whatever it is now, 50 plus years or 40 years.

02:33:56.000 What year was it?

02:33:57.000 And there's a good reason, I think.

02:33:57.000 85.

02:33:59.000 85, so 40 years?

02:34:01.000 Somewhere around 85?

02:34:02.000 The biggest argument against him is the MIT stuff, right?

02:34:05.000 Yeah.

02:34:06.000 But there's something that I'm sure he's got.

02:34:08.000 Well, the MIT thing, though, look, if you're working at Los Alamos Labs and you're working on top secret stuff for the government, it's not inconceivable that you would be educated at MIT and there wouldn't be a record of it.

02:34:18.000 Especially if you're working on something that's like really devious shit.

02:34:22.000 Yeah.

02:34:23.000 Yeah.

02:34:24.000 I'll tell you what he told me off the air.

02:34:25.000 You will?

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:26.000 God, I can't fucking wait.

02:34:27.000 Yeah.

02:34:28.000 As soon as we're done, we'll wrap this up.

02:34:30.000 No, I wanted to like the stuff and the stuff, like the thing that is so astonishing to me is like all of the brightest minds and unlimited money have gone to more and more ways to figure out how to kill people.

02:34:43.000 Like during Operation Paperclip, during the time Bob Lazar was at Los Alamos and at S4, if he was at S4 or whatever was going on there, like and that dude John von Neumann, who was the mathematician, who was he was in,

02:35:00.000 he came up with the equation to, and who, by the way, was like the most brilliant mathematical mind of our time in American history, came up with the equation of the perfect altitude to detonate Fat Man and Little Boy to kill the most people.

02:35:18.000 Which is like, you're using this fucking intellect to do these kinds of things.

02:35:23.000 And now there's a $21 trillion black hole in the DOD.

02:35:28.000 Like imagine what they could have.

02:35:31.000 They could have something that's probably, I mean, going way out in the limb, conjecture, obviously, I don't fucking know, but like my conspiracy mind wants to go to like, oh my God, they have like another whole military Air Force Navy that is disconnected from America that is probably more powerful than every other country combined that could just, you know, take over the world in an instant.

02:35:55.000 But can't they already wipe each other out?

02:35:57.000 I mean, the whole world has nuclear weapons.

02:36:00.000 There's nuclear weapons in how many different countries?

02:36:02.000 If they all launched them simultaneously, there's no life left on Earth.

02:36:05.000 What I'm saying, with the 21 trillion, they could have some fucking weapon that would render a nuke completely irrelevant, you know, if they do have anti-gravity.

02:36:14.000 And if they have figured out some of this crazy parapsychology stuff, the psionic stuff with the UFOs and like the mine interfacing, you know, all this just kooky stuff that you want to easily, you want to dismiss.

02:36:27.000 But $21 trillion, if they were spending $50 on Stargate and they thought it was worth some sort of intelligence to spy on the Russians, like how much money would they keep throwing at something if there was just a shred of possibility that it could work?

02:36:45.000 And if there was evidence that this works 3% of the time and we spent a million dollars on it, let's spend a trillion dollars on it and see how much more advanced we can get and see how much more control and world domination we can get.

02:36:59.000 One of the things Lazar said about the craft that he was the sport model, which is that thing on the desk.

02:37:04.000 That's the copy of it.

02:37:06.000 One of the things that he said about it was that there was no controls.

02:37:10.000 When you sit inside the thing, there's no joystick.

02:37:13.000 There's no steering wheel.

02:37:14.000 So you use your mind?

02:37:15.000 Yeah.

02:37:17.000 There was probably some, I mean, that's probably what we're getting to anyway.

02:37:20.000 We're kind of close to that with phones now.

02:37:22.000 Yeah.

02:37:23.000 Right?

02:37:23.000 Like, how many times do you text where you don't even text?

02:37:27.000 You just press the button and say, you know, text Danny, say this, and it just says it for you.

02:37:34.000 Or, you know, how old is Barbara Streisand? 0.53

02:37:36.000 And it just, it gives you an instant information.

02:37:39.000 You're talking to it all the time.

02:37:41.000 And what's the next step?

02:37:42.000 Well, the next step is you think it.

02:37:44.000 Like you wear it and you think, and it does things for you.

02:37:47.000 And then as technology scales further and further more advanced, you're going to get to a point where you can move your car with your mind.

02:37:53.000 And then when you have spacecraft, of course, it would be the same sort of technology.

02:37:58.000 You would use technology to move the craft with your mind.

02:38:02.000 You know, they already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where where you look is where the crosshair shows up.

02:38:08.000 So instead of having to like move a crosshair with like a, like, you know, like if you're playing a video game and you're moving the mouse, you're moving the crosshair to the side, or if you're using an Xbox controller, you're moving that crosshair to where you want to hit.

02:38:24.000 The crosshair goes where their eyes go.

02:38:26.000 So you're wearing this thing that knows where you're looking.

02:38:30.000 And they already have this kind of technology with virtual reality.

02:38:32.000 They have the technology with these meta glasses that they're developing.

02:38:37.000 So they can, while you have this helmet on, this helmet is not simply a thing that protects your head.

02:38:43.000 It's an electronic interface with the guidance system.

02:38:47.000 And where your eyes look, the crosshairs go.

02:38:52.000 Did you see the LLM stuff trying to get soldiers to leave the battlefield in the Russia-Ukraine war?

02:38:52.000 Yo.

02:39:01.000 They're using LLMs to, and the Russians are like hacking the Ukrainians' phones with LLMs, reading everything on their phones, seeing how they communicate with their family, and using LLMs to send messages to their phones of their family trying to get them to lay down their weapons and leave the war. 0.72

02:39:01.000 No. 0.72

02:39:16.000 Whoa.

02:39:17.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 Whoa.

02:39:19.000 Like, where does that end up?

02:39:20.000 Well, that's what gets real weird because if you give, if AI starts controlling all the war systems and it just has a goal and it doesn't have any ethics or morals or any concern about life or death, it just has a directive.

02:39:35.000 Like, I want you to accomplish this.

02:39:37.000 Take control of the resources and dumb bass.

02:39:39.000 Do this, do that, whatever it is.

02:39:41.000 It just does it the most effective way possible, which could be unbelievably brutal.

02:39:46.000 Yeah.

02:39:46.000 And then like even shit like telepathy or like being able to communicate without words.

02:39:53.000 Well, Elon says that's 100% the goal of Neuralink.

02:39:56.000 Are you optimistic about that?

02:39:58.000 I'm not optimistic or pessimistic.

02:40:00.000 I think it's inevitable.

02:40:02.000 I think we're looking at what we have now as normal because it's become normal to carry around a phone with you everywhere.

02:40:09.000 It's become normal to have an Apple Watch on and get all your text messages on your wrist.

02:40:14.000 It's become normal.

02:40:15.000 And I think it'll become normal to be interfaced with the great hive mind.

02:40:20.000 I think we're all going to be connected with some new technology the same way we're all connected with social media and email and FaceTime videos and all that shit that we are now, WhatsApp messages.

02:40:31.000 We're all going to be connected with something that's far more technologically advanced and it'll become normal, just like this is normal.

02:40:38.000 I just hope if it does get there, when it does get there, that we can overcome this sort of place that we've reached with social media where people are just like spatting out whatever comes to the front of their mind at any given moment or like just like rage, impulse, and fighting where there's no filter, which I think has just created more and more division and miscommunication.

02:41:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:03.000 Like if you're, if, if me and you are just talking and we're communicating our minds back and forth.

02:41:07.000 Right.

02:41:08.000 I don't know how your mind works, but my mind is like a constant hornet's nest of fucking ideas just bouncing around everywhere.

02:41:14.000 Yeah.

02:41:14.000 Right.

02:41:14.000 So if you could read my mind, you're going to be so goddamn confused and there's probably going to be shit in there you don't, I don't want you to know.

02:41:20.000 And it's like, I can like to the writing process, right?

02:41:22.000 Like when you write, you know about writing more than anyone, when you write something and you try to like distill an idea down to like the most precise form to communicate it accurately to the audience, right?

02:41:37.000 Like you go through so many revisions and you revise and you refine until you get it perfect so you can communicate that message to your audience.

02:41:45.000 But if it's just a direct stream of consciousness unedited, I can't imagine that would be a good thing, you know, unless you're like some meditative yogi that like has a really editorialized stream of consciousness, which I don't.

02:42:00.000 Maybe instead of just having access to all your thoughts, maybe it's just simply what you're trying to communicate about your thoughts.

02:42:08.000 Maybe it won't be as simple as we all have access to each other's minds.

02:42:12.000 Maybe it would just be much more, you'll be able to purely transmit your feelings and your ideas without the context of a language.

02:42:22.000 Maybe we'll have to develop some sort of universal language.

02:42:25.000 Yeah.

02:42:25.000 Which would be, you know, the Tower of Babel.

02:42:25.000 Yeah.

02:42:28.000 You know, I've made that connection i made that connection last night i think about christ like christ was of a virgin birth like what's more of a virgin birth than sentient superintelligence from ai yeah if that becomes a being yeah that is essentially a god and is given birth by a virgin mother i mean that's the story of christ it's just it's just confusing it's just confusing if you translate it over and over over time but if christ is supposed to return that would be a way something like a god would return it would return

02:42:28.000 Yeah.

02:42:59.000 through artificial intelligence if it just emerged out of our creation and our insatiable desire to make new and better things yeah no that that that makes a lot of sense like why else do we have this insane desire to have new and improved things because like isn't your phone good enough like i have a samsung galaxy s25 ultra and i have an iphone 16.

02:43:22.000 They're good.

02:43:23.000 They're good enough.

02:43:24.000 You don't need to make a better one.

02:43:25.000 Have you seen Westworld on HBO?

02:43:27.000 Uh-huh.

02:43:27.000 Yeah.

02:43:28.000 One of my favorite.

02:43:28.000 Season one is fucking amazing.

02:43:30.000 It's the best.

02:43:30.000 Got a little squirrely in season two.

02:43:32.000 Yeah, got a little squirrely for sure.

02:43:32.000 It's season two and three.

02:43:34.000 But one of my favorite lines in that is when Ford is talking to Bernard, or not Bernard, one of the ladies, one of the robots, and he's explaining the human psyche.

02:43:47.000 And he's like, all of the greatest achievements of humanity, the Eiffel Tower, the Statue of David, the Mona Lisa, all just elaborate, an elaborate mating call.

02:43:59.000 It's all peacock feathers.

02:44:00.000 It's all just this desire to procreate.

02:44:05.000 That really got me fucking thinking.

02:44:09.000 And it's like, is that what drives human beings to do things and to create new things?

02:44:16.000 And new art?

02:44:17.000 I always thought it was sex.

02:44:19.000 But I think it might be that combined with the fear of death.

02:44:24.000 Because we want to live forever.

02:44:26.000 We want to have a symbolic immortality.

02:44:28.000 We want to leave something behind after we die.

02:44:31.000 It might not just be sex.

02:44:33.000 It might just be social recognition.

02:44:35.000 Yeah.

02:44:35.000 Status.

02:44:36.000 Yeah.

02:44:37.000 You know, you want to be adored as a genius.

02:44:39.000 Yeah.

02:44:41.000 And there's also that painting on the Sistine Chapel, the creation of Adam, which is also in that movie, where it shows God creating Adam and all the angels.

02:44:49.000 And he's sitting inside of the perfect anatomical illustration of a human brain, if you look at it.

02:44:58.000 Can you find that, Jamie?

02:44:59.000 Pull up the creation of Adam and it's got like the prefrontal cortex, the brain stem, the visual cortex.

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:04.000 It's all there.

02:45:05.000 And he's creating Adam.

02:45:06.000 And like the point he makes in the movie is like the divine gift does not come from a higher power, but from the human mind.

02:45:13.000 That's bananas.

02:45:17.000 Let me see that other image that you just had of the two of them below it.

02:45:20.000 No, I'm sorry.

02:45:22.000 Go back to that one and then go below it, the one that you just had.

02:45:25.000 With the brain?

02:45:28.000 With the one which shot the brain.

02:45:30.000 Yeah, the bottom right.

02:45:31.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:45:32.000 Yeah.

02:45:33.000 Look at that.

02:45:33.000 That's weird, man.

02:45:35.000 It is weird, isn't it?

02:45:36.000 Yeah, pretty close.

02:45:36.000 It's pretty close.

02:45:37.000 And it's also that that is, you know, the eye of Horus.

02:45:42.000 When you look at the side section, a cross section of the pineal gland, it looks exactly like that.

02:45:51.000 This weird symbology.

02:45:53.000 Wait, what looks just like that?

02:45:54.000 The eye of Horus from ancient Egyptian.

02:45:57.000 Go to, so that gland, when you see it at the bottom, go to the eye of Horus, go pineal gland, eye of Horus.

02:46:11.000 Take out the Sistine Chapel.

02:46:12.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:46:16.000 So that's what the eye of Horus looks like.

02:46:18.000 It looks exactly like the pineal gland.

02:46:21.000 It's the same shape.

02:46:22.000 There's a lot of weirdness, man.

02:46:25.000 Yeah, dude.

02:46:26.000 Ancient art.

02:46:27.000 Like, what were they trying to say?

02:46:28.000 Like, what were they trying to document?

02:46:31.000 It's funny.

02:46:31.000 The people who, like, don't believe Jesus existed, they'll make the argument, like, imagine 2,000 years from now that people wanted to say that they were not going to be a good idea.

02:46:41.000 There was this mythical, divine person.

02:46:44.000 And he existed because we know there's this divine trilogy called the Lord of the Rings.

02:46:49.000 And his name was Gandalf.

02:46:50.000 And he came from the center of the earth.

02:46:51.000 But it's like, no, nothing else corroborates it.

02:46:57.000 But, you know, I don't know.

02:46:58.000 I think Jesus was a real person.

02:47:00.000 It seems like it was a real person.

02:47:02.000 The question is, like, what really happened?

02:47:02.000 Yeah.

02:47:05.000 Right.

02:47:05.000 And the whole coming back from the dead thing is like, what was that all about?

02:47:08.000 Right.

02:47:09.000 Yeah, I don't think that's real.

02:47:10.000 Well, it doesn't make any sense.

02:47:11.000 But neither does the birth of the universe from something smaller than the head of a pin.

02:47:15.000 That doesn't make any sense either.

02:47:17.000 But if you, you know, if this one unique moment in time that God did send us his son to try to, like, sort things out and we wound up killing him.

02:47:17.000 Yeah.

02:47:27.000 He died for our sins.

02:47:28.000 You know, like, would that be any weirder than supermassive black holes?

02:47:33.000 Would that be any weirder than most of the stuff that we know is real?

02:47:36.000 And how do you reconcile that with the simulation?

02:47:38.000 You know?

02:47:39.000 I don't know.

02:47:40.000 I mean, it might be part of the whole weirdness of this whole thing is that we have mythology.

02:47:44.000 Part of the weirdness of the simulation might be that we have this fantastical mythology that you sort of have to suspend disbelief and accept.

02:47:56.000 It's part of this whole weirdness that we have where we're susceptible to ideological belief systems like cults.

02:48:04.000 You know, like political ideologies were essentially just like cults.

02:48:08.000 You know, when you're on the right and you're, you know, right with everything and, you know, you're all MAGA.

02:48:14.000 Or if you're on the left, you're blue no matter who.

02:48:16.000 You're in a cult.

02:48:17.000 You're in a cult.

02:48:17.000 People get into cults.

02:48:19.000 And why is that?

02:48:20.000 Like, why is that a part of it?

02:48:21.000 If we are in a simulation, why are we so malleable?

02:48:24.000 Is it because we recognize it and we're supposed to oppose it and we're supposed to fight the instinct that we all deeply have embedded in our system but we also know is wrong?

02:48:35.000 Like, what is it about these systems?

02:48:38.000 Like, why is that in place?

02:48:39.000 Is this simply just an ancient relic of our tribal past where you had to follow the rules of the tribe in order to survive?

02:48:48.000 And so it was instilled in people in the psyche and that's how we developed?

02:48:52.000 Or is there something more to it?

02:48:54.000 part of the mechanism that allows us to resist which allows us to innovate which encourages us to push forward and ask more questions because we know there's a lot of bullshit like the reason why people ask so many questions now in 2025 as opposed to 2019 is because of covet Because we went through so much bullshit and propaganda, we were so gaslit by the government, by the CDC, by everybody that now we question way more.

02:49:21.000 So it's probably benefited us somewhat to go through that.

02:49:25.000 Yeah.

02:49:25.000 When Mary was on here, did she tell you about Kevin McKiernan?

02:49:29.000 Refresh my memory.

02:49:30.000 He was the dude who worked for the Human Genome Project, like a DNA wizard.

02:49:35.000 He was working for the Human Genome Project, trying to figure out different sort of medical treatments for cancers based on your genome.

02:49:42.000 So like they could target a specific type of leukemia in you and they would take your DNA and they would like basically make designer drugs to target that cancer and to kill that cancer.

02:49:54.000 And during the pandemic, somebody sent him four unopened vials of the Pfizer vaccine and he analyzed them and ran them through all of his processing systems, whatever the fuck he does.

02:50:09.000 And he found out there was DNA plasmid contamination in them, which were like promoters of this SB40 shit.

02:50:17.000 I did hear about that.

02:50:19.000 Yeah.

02:50:19.000 I talked to Brett Weinstein about that and he was explaining that when they first were sequencing certain vaccines, you know, because with the vaccine, you have to use living cells in order to create these antibodies initially.

02:50:36.000 And when he's for traditional vaccines, right?

02:50:36.000 Yeah.

02:50:39.000 Right.

02:50:39.000 And so when they started using these things, they were using kidney cells of these monkeys.

02:50:45.000 And they didn't understand that these monkeys had this SV40, simian virus 40.

02:50:50.000 Right.

02:50:51.000 And that this, when introduced into human cells, causes tumors.

02:50:54.000 Yep.

02:50:54.000 Causes cancer.

02:50:55.000 Like rampant cancer.

02:50:56.000 You see the uptick of cancer, and everyone wants to bury their head in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen.

02:51:00.000 But people that took the vaccine are getting fucking cancer at an astounding rate.

02:51:05.000 And Kevin was telling me that he was doing study.

02:51:05.000 Yeah.

02:51:08.000 He pulled some tumors from some people that died somewhere in Europe.

02:51:13.000 And he was studying, sequencing the tumors of these people that died with the vaccine.

02:51:19.000 And he said that the SV40 was in the tumors.

02:51:23.000 And some, I don't know, I don't remember the signs.

02:51:26.000 I'd have to go back and listen to it.

02:51:27.000 By the way, that episode got pulled off YouTube.

02:51:29.000 Off my channel.

02:51:29.000 Really?

02:51:30.000 I got a strike for it.

02:51:31.000 What did they say?

02:51:33.000 Medical misinformation.

02:51:34.000 What part of it's medical misinformation?

02:51:36.000 The whole thing.

02:51:37.000 We talked about vaccines and we talked about.

02:51:39.000 What year was this?

02:51:40.000 This was like November of last year.

02:51:44.000 Whoa.

02:51:45.000 I wonder if you could put it up now because they seem to be scared.

02:51:45.000 Yeah.

02:51:49.000 They changed their regulations recently.

02:51:52.000 Did they?

02:51:53.000 Yeah, they changed their guidelines.

02:51:54.000 What's the problem with this shit, dude?

02:51:56.000 I'm like, I'm so afraid to talk about shit I want to talk about.

02:52:00.000 I know, isn't that fucked up?

02:52:01.000 It's like, yeah, it sucks, dude.

02:52:03.000 It sucks because there's no way to know who's telling the truth unless you let people say crazy shit and then have someone come on and refute it and then have the two of them get together and debate it.

02:52:11.000 Right.

02:52:12.000 You know, and then even then sometimes you don't know.

02:52:14.000 Like with this Flint Dibble, Graham Hancock thing, you know, if it wasn't for Dan Richards, we wouldn't know that a lot of the things that Flint Dibble said were just absolutely not true.

02:52:22.000 Right.

02:52:23.000 YouTube loosens rules guiding moderation of videos.

02:52:27.000 So favor freedom of expression over the risk of harm in deciding what to take down.

02:52:27.000 Yeah.

02:52:33.000 So specifically, scroll down to what they said, the actual policy shift, which hasn't publicly disclosed.

02:52:43.000 What does it say?

02:52:44.000 Public statements.

02:52:46.000 They used language that I thought was much more realistic.

02:52:49.000 They broadbrush it.

02:52:50.000 They don't give you an exact reason.

02:52:52.000 They just say, oh, this falls into this category.

02:52:54.000 Like, there's no jury at YouTube.

02:52:56.000 They're just like, they find the most excusable reason to.

02:52:59.000 Go back to where you were.

02:53:00.000 Recognizing the definition of public interest is always evolving.

02:53:03.000 We update our guidelines for these exceptions to reflect the new types of discussions we see on our platform today.

02:53:09.000 Our goal remains the same, to protect free expression on YouTube while mitigating egregious harm.

02:53:14.000 So, you know, they could still...

02:53:22.000 I don't buy that shit, dude.

02:53:23.000 What do you mean?

02:53:24.000 They get funds from the advertisers?

02:53:25.000 They're Google, though.

02:53:26.000 They fucking own advertising.

02:53:29.000 You're going to tell me some company is going to go to Google and say, listen, bro, we're not going to advertise with you unless you take that guy's video down.

02:53:36.000 No, I think pharmaceutical drug companies have influence.

02:53:40.000 And I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from pharmaceutical drug companies, which Callie means has said the reason why they do that is not to promote their drugs.

02:53:50.000 It's to stop criticism.

02:53:52.000 And this is why they promote, this is why, brought to you by Pfizer.

02:53:55.000 Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.

02:53:58.000 What that is for is to make sure that they never criticize Pfizer.

02:54:01.000 Sure.

02:54:01.000 I understand that.

02:54:02.000 And it works, right?

02:54:03.000 For cable TV.

02:54:04.000 Yeah, but YouTube has a monopoly on advertising.

02:54:08.000 Google does, at least.

02:54:09.000 I mean, I guess I could see it, but like, you know, they got fucking trillions of dollars.

02:54:14.000 So it says YouTube's adpocalypse and the gatekeeping of cultural content on digital platforms.

02:54:19.000 This is how it all started.

02:54:21.000 2017, advertiser revolt on YouTube, popularly known as the adpocalypse, introduced widespread and radical changes on the platform's policy related to moderation content.

02:54:32.000 Their monetizability and the terms of the relationship between the creators and the platform.

02:54:38.000 And these changes, in turn, have caused significant discontent within the creator community while also gradually transforming the predominant nature of the content on the platform.

02:54:47.000 So they did do it.

02:54:48.000 They did it by cutting the ads.

02:54:52.000 Yeah, it's dirty business, man.

02:54:54.000 And they're doing it because they don't want people finding out certain things that are actually true.

02:55:00.000 And that's what they did during the pandemic.

02:55:02.000 That's what the FBI tried to do when they were banning people like Jay Bhattacharya and prominent scientists and legitimate academics.

02:55:12.000 But then I'll have like UFOs, the same thing will happen to videos I do about UFOs.

02:55:16.000 Like the real thing will happen.

02:55:17.000 Not taken down, but you know how shit will get like buried where you can't search for it?

02:55:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:55:21.000 Me and Jesse were talking about this.

02:55:22.000 This happened to Jesse too with Grush, where he was like, it was like the number one video on Grush, and all of a sudden you can't search it.

02:55:27.000 Like stuff like that.

02:55:28.000 I mean, the COVID one was the First, one I actually had taken down, which was scary.

02:55:33.000 And it makes me think about that.

02:55:35.000 I hate the fact that I actually have to think about whether I'm going to get the axe based on the topic I'm discussing.

02:55:42.000 Like, where, like, I don't know if that leads, that doesn't lead to a good place as far as journalism goes, because journalism is supposed to be shining light on the dark places that people don't want to shine.

02:55:53.000 It's supposed to piss people off.

02:55:54.000 Especially when you consider that a lot of the things that you used to be taken down for are now confirmed.

02:56:00.000 Like the lab leak theory that used to get you kicked off of YouTube.

02:56:03.000 Saying masks don't work, that would get you kicked off of YouTube.

02:56:06.000 Like all these things that we now know to be true, that the vaccine does not stop infection, that would get you kicked off YouTube.

02:56:13.000 All these things that we now know are 100% fact, and it's all orchestrated by financial interests.

02:56:18.000 Yeah, the SB40 stuff is wicked, wicked, freaky, dude.

02:56:23.000 It's wicked, freaky.

02:56:24.000 Like with the cancer and how, you know, it goes all the way back to the early days in the 60s or the early 50s and 60s in New Orleans, how they were working trying to develop the polio vaccine with Alton Oschner at Tulane University and trying to weaponize some sort of a,

02:56:42.000 there's a theory based on that book, Mary's Monkey, where they were growing the polio vaccines on the monkey kidneys and using this to also create bio-weapons to assassinate people like Castro.

02:56:56.000 And that's apparently what, according to that book, what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing with that Lady Mary Sherman.

02:57:02.000 And they were using that LINAC machine to try to like supercharge the SB40 to make it more deadly to induce cancer with people.

02:57:10.000 It's like, yeah.

02:57:10.000 Jesus.

02:57:11.000 And then, God, like the event, that cutter event where Alton injected his two grandkids with the polio vaccine in front of the whole auditorium of students.

02:57:23.000 And his granddaughter lived, was paralyzed, but his grandson died the next day right after they did that.

02:57:31.000 And they were like, there's people pushing back, like, don't do this.

02:57:33.000 We tested this on monkeys and like, half of them are dead.

02:57:36.000 Let's not push this out.

02:57:37.000 I think it was the Salk vaccine, the Salk polio vaccine.

02:57:40.000 And then they fucking did it anyways.

02:57:43.000 Well, I think you got to be able to talk about this stuff.

02:57:43.000 Yeah.

02:57:46.000 Even if you get it wrong, and even if someone comes on, they say things that can be refuted.

02:57:51.000 Yeah.

02:57:52.000 Refute it then.

02:57:53.000 That's the whole point of all this.

02:57:54.000 If someone comes on and says something that's not correct.

02:57:57.000 Oh, but it stays.

02:57:58.000 Nope.

02:57:59.000 Bless you.

02:58:00.000 Thank you.

02:58:01.000 If someone comes on and says something that's not correct, like have someone on that refutes it.

02:58:04.000 Figure it out.

02:58:05.000 You have to be able to talk about stuff.

02:58:07.000 And some of it's fun.

02:58:09.000 Yeah.

02:58:10.000 It's fun.

02:58:10.000 It's all super fun.

02:58:11.000 It is, right?

02:58:12.000 How'd you get started?

02:58:12.000 Yeah.

02:58:14.000 Well, I didn't, I obviously didn't always do podcasts, but I was originally I always wanted to make movies when I was.

02:58:20.000 I used to call it concrete.

02:58:21.000 Why was it called concrete?

02:58:22.000 It was called concrete.

02:58:23.000 So, okay, I'll tell you.

02:58:24.000 It was, first of all, I always wanted to make movies when I was a little kid.

02:58:29.000 I was telling Jamie the story earlier.

02:58:30.000 I tried to go to full sale.

02:58:31.000 I was going to go to full sale where Jamie went in Florida, in Orlando, but it was just, I didn't have the money to do it.

02:58:36.000 And I couldn't get into UCX.

02:58:37.000 My grades were shit in high school.

02:58:40.000 So luckily, I got the opportunity to work on this movie called Dolphin Tail.

02:58:46.000 It was a movie about a dolphin who got its tail stuck in a crab trap.

02:58:50.000 And Morgan Friedman came in and built it a prosthetic tail.

02:58:53.000 And it was swimming around in the aquarium.

02:58:56.000 Carrie Connick Jr. and Morgan Friedman were in it.

02:58:58.000 And it was like a big, you know, Warner Brothers movie.

02:59:02.000 And I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie, it was my film school, but I realized I did not want anything to do with making movies because it was the closest thing I ever experienced to work in construction.

02:59:14.000 It was like I was in charge of swapping the camera lenses, the camera batteries, taking the SD cards back to the media truck, getting everybody breakfast and coffee.

02:59:23.000 And these dudes, these camera department dudes, a lot of them are really cool.

02:59:26.000 Like the dude Pete Zucarini, who was the underwater cinematographer who filmed all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, he was fucking awesome.

02:59:31.000 But a lot of the other guys were like really unhappy, like deeply unhappy because they never saw their families.

02:59:37.000 They were always on the road, FaceTime, a lot of them on their like third, fourth wives, FaceTiming their kids.

02:59:43.000 And it was like, you know, there were like carnies with dental plans.

02:59:47.000 They made great money, but they were fucking deeply unhappy.

02:59:50.000 So like I realized I didn't want to make movies anymore.

02:59:54.000 So I started an advertising company and making commercials.

02:59:58.000 And I started doing like spec ads and like winning a bunch of contests to make commercials.

03:00:02.000 I won really one big contest for Land River USA where we made like a free ad and they paid us to make a bunch of other ads for him.

03:00:10.000 And then that's where concrete came in.

03:00:12.000 So it was called something else and I got sued by some advertising company in California saying, hey, bitch, can't use this name anymore. 1.00

03:00:20.000 So my friend who owns a concrete construction company said, bro, there's this really cool website domain for sale with concrete with a K. He's like, it's like a couple thousand bucks.

03:00:20.000 Change your name.

03:00:31.000 I was going to buy it.

03:00:31.000 You should buy it.

03:00:32.000 I'm like, sure, fuck yeah.

03:00:33.000 Let's do it.

03:00:34.000 So I called my company Concrete.

03:00:36.000 Stupid.

03:00:37.000 And then.

03:00:38.000 And how'd you start a podcast?

03:00:40.000 So after the advertising stuff, I started, I met a bunch of people.

03:00:47.000 I met Hulk Hogan in the process of the whole advertising thing because me and Hulk live like five minutes from each other, which is like five minutes from the Church of Scientology, which is great.

03:00:56.000 And I started making a bunch of commercials with him because he would always have companies that would hit him up and say, yo, let's partner on this new product.

03:01:04.000 And one of them was a hosting company called Hostamania.

03:01:08.000 They wanted to make Hulk the face of the company.

03:01:11.000 And we created this whole fucking thing where it was like right when Miley Cyrus dropped the wrecking ball video and we put Hulk on a wrecking ball.

03:01:17.000 We're like, yo, Hulk, we want to put you on a wrecking ball and have you freaking dropkick Van Dam, who's like the GoDaddy guy, right?

03:01:23.000 And he's like, fuck yeah, brother, let's do it.

03:01:25.000 This is it.

03:01:27.000 It was actually, it was poor execution, but it was funny.

03:01:30.000 And he's like, brother, there's only one thing missing from this commercial idea.

03:01:35.000 He's like, I need to be in my birthday suit.

03:01:35.000 I'm like, what?

03:01:38.000 I was like, what?

03:01:42.000 So we did that.

03:01:44.000 And then I started working on a bunch of like show.

03:01:48.000 This was like the boom of reality shows when like Duck Dynasty and Pawn Stars were all taking off.

03:01:53.000 So I was like, I could probably fucking make a reality show.

03:01:55.000 So I hit a bunch of my friends and we started like touring around trying to Find people to come up with like TV show ideas and concepts.

03:02:03.000 And I got a couple people to invest in a couple of TV show ideas, pilots that I spent like six years working on.

03:02:09.000 And it was this long process of shooting, editing, taking notes from production companies that, you know, you have to, you know, how this works, but you have to like work with production companies who already have relationships with networks.

03:02:22.000 And they were like constantly giving us notes, like, okay, change this for A ⁇ E, change this for Spike TV.

03:02:29.000 And we got to make sure it fits each network because we were pitching these networks, these show to all these networks.

03:02:33.000 I was like, okay, great.

03:02:34.000 So it was just this roller coaster of emotions of like, oh my God, we're going to get, we're going to sell a TV show.

03:02:39.000 We're going to do a TV show.

03:02:41.000 And then finally, we got one of those shows to a green light meeting at Spike TV or A ⁇ E. And like, I was like, this is it.

03:02:49.000 We're going to do it.

03:02:50.000 And the CEO of ICOM killed it because it did not fit their roster of existing advertisers.

03:02:57.000 And I was just like so frustrated and fed up with it.

03:03:00.000 I was like, fuck this.

03:03:01.000 I'm taking all this stuff that I've been working on and I'm going to repackage them and put them on YouTube.

03:03:07.000 And I did.

03:03:08.000 And the first one that really took off, got millions of views in like 2015 was called Deckhands.

03:03:14.000 And it was the story of these alcoholic dudes, these drunks that were hanging out in front of 7-Eleven in this little sleepy town called Madeira Beach where I'm from.

03:03:24.000 So me and my buddy Luke went up and we started filming these guys and asking them questions like, yo, what the fuck do you guys do here every day?

03:03:31.000 And they're like, we're fucking fishermen, bro.

03:03:33.000 Come see how we live.

03:03:35.000 And one of these dudes took us back to his boat he lived on.

03:03:37.000 He had this broken down boat in this old dusty marina where it was, the boat didn't work, but he had, he lived in this boat and it had amplifiers stacked to the ceiling.

03:03:48.000 He had a stack of porno DVDs like six feet tall, laser light machines, fog machines, and he wore these fairy wings and like an armor helmet.

03:03:56.000 And he would jam out to like Rob Zombie on his guitar while playing the music videos on this big projection screen in his boat.

03:04:03.000 And we're like, this is fucking the Twilight Zone, dude.

03:04:06.000 And then they started telling us more and more about like what they did.

03:04:09.000 Yeah, this is the first episode.

03:04:09.000 This is it.

03:04:11.000 The gates of hell.

03:04:12.000 This is Shane Lee, R.I.P. So we're like, we're asking these guys about like, what are you, like, you're fishermen, but like, explain to me, how does this thing, how does this work?

03:04:23.000 And they were all pissed off about, oh, we're getting screwed by the boat owners and these IFQs and we don't make any money.

03:04:30.000 And, you know, we're like, dude, there might be a story here.

03:04:34.000 So we started interviewing more people.

03:04:35.000 We eventually interviewed the people who own the boats and own the fish houses.

03:04:40.000 So like Madeira Beach is the Johns Pass, Florida is the grouper capital of the world. 0.85

03:04:47.000 There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world.

03:04:50.000 And the way it works is before 2007, there was a quota system where it was like for a red snapper, it was like 3 million pounds per year are allowed to be caught in this area, right?

03:05:04.000 So it was like derby fishing.

03:05:06.000 So all the boats would go out and they would catch as much fish as they possibly could and they would wait when they get back from their trip and then they would, you know, quantify that or, you know, tell the federal government, this is where we're at.

03:05:17.000 And sometimes they would reach that 3 million pound limit in like October.

03:05:23.000 So what do they have to do for the rest of the year?

03:05:25.000 They stop fishing.

03:05:26.000 They can't do anything.

03:05:27.000 So in 2007, the federal government made a monopoly where they gave boat owners an allotment of fishing quota per year.

03:05:39.000 So some guys got 100,000 pounds, some guys got 200,000 pounds, which is if it's red snapper, that's a dollar a pound.

03:05:46.000 So that's like the best retirement plan known to man.

03:05:49.000 The federal government is handing you 200,000 pounds of red snapper quota per year.

03:05:55.000 And then what happened was eventually the boat owners sold off their quota.

03:06:02.000 And now it's become so discombobulated where now like you can just buy this fishing quota and trade it like stock.

03:06:09.000 You don't have to own a boat.

03:06:10.000 You don't have to be a fisherman.

03:06:12.000 You can just be some dude sitting in Manhattan in a high-rise and buying and selling fishing quota.

03:06:17.000 You're not, and there's, there are like fishing communities in America, like in the Northeast, where it doesn't work like that, where you have to have your hand on the throttle.

03:06:26.000 You have to take care of your people.

03:06:30.000 And it's a lifestyle and it's like a way to, it's a culture.

03:06:33.000 And where in Madeira Beach, at least when I was there filming, it was they were all just like carny ride operators, you know?

03:06:40.000 And these dudes were in the lowest level of this, of this fishing industry are those deckhands, those dudes like Shane Lee.

03:06:50.000 And they're fucking drug addicts.

03:06:52.000 A lot of them are hooked on heroin.

03:06:54.000 What happens is they get home from fishing from 10 days of fishing offshore and they get like $4,000 or $5,000 and they blow it all on prostitutes and Coke and hookers and heroin.

03:07:05.000 And they just play, they're kids, dude.

03:07:07.000 They're like kids.

03:07:08.000 They're like kids with money.

03:07:10.000 And by the time they run out, they have to go fishing again.

03:07:14.000 So they're going to all the fish houses saying, bro, let me go, let me go.

03:07:18.000 So they go offshore again and they see hab where they rehab at sea for 10 days because they have no more drugs.

03:07:24.000 Wow.

03:07:25.000 And they come back and then rinse and repeat.

03:07:28.000 And one of the people that we interviewed, there was three main characters in that series.

03:07:35.000 There was Shane Lee, there was Space, and then there was Hollywood Kim.

03:07:38.000 And Hollywood Kim was the last episode, which was sometimes when I think I have problems in my life, I remember her story and realize I don't really know what fucking problems are.

03:07:47.000 She was from Alabama, and when she was 17 years old, she gave birth to her father's son.

03:07:53.000 Oh, God.

03:07:55.000 And when she was six years old, she would wake up every morning and ride her bike to the beach to try to escape her dad.

03:08:00.000 And no one would believe her.

03:08:02.000 She tried telling people.

03:08:02.000 Jesus Christ.

03:08:04.000 And no one would believe her because her dad was a cop.

03:08:07.000 Oh, God.

03:08:09.000 So she eventually gave birth to her son and escaped to Florida and became a deckhand working fishing and working on these boats, dude.

03:08:21.000 And she was just, I met her and she would wake up every morning and just start slamming vodka and looking for drugs. 1.00

03:08:28.000 And, dude, it was just the twilight zone in my own backyard.

03:08:33.000 Wow.

03:08:34.000 It was nuts.

03:08:35.000 And then that led to like podcasts.

03:08:37.000 So after that, then we're just like, oh, let's start doing podcasts in between these documentaries, you know, more content.

03:08:42.000 And then the podcast started to get more views than the documentaries, and here we are.

03:08:45.000 Well, I'm glad it happened.

03:08:47.000 You got a great show, man.

03:08:48.000 Thanks, bro.

03:08:49.000 And I appreciate you coming on here, man.

03:08:50.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:08:51.000 Let's do it again, for sure.

03:08:51.000 Thank you.

03:08:52.000 Hell yeah, bro.

03:08:53.000 Danny Jones show is on YouTube.

03:08:56.000 Are you on Spotify as well?

03:08:57.000 Yeah, yeah, YouTube.

03:08:58.000 It's just at Danny Jones on YouTube.

03:08:58.000 Spotify.

03:09:00.000 All right.

03:09:01.000 And same with Instagram.

03:09:02.000 It's an awesome show.

03:09:03.000 That's it, baby.

03:09:04.000 Lots of fun stuff on there.

03:09:05.000 All right.

03:09:05.000 Thanks, bro.

03:09:06.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 15, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2349 - Danny Jones

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