Comedian Joe Rogan joins Jemele to talk about stand-up comedy, his new book, and why he thinks Ari Holtzman is the weirdest person you'll ever meet. Joe also talks about the time he almost killed a woman on stage.
00:01:04.000But Family was the first thing I wrote, or the second thing I wrote, but the first thing I wanted to say was it's incredible, man, because I was in there last night.
00:01:13.000My special came out yesterday, and I was in the club last night.
00:01:16.000I just dropped in real quick to say hi to Tony, and Ari was around for his last night before he...
00:05:17.000But also, like when you realize how, you know, Ben Askren, I don't know who his healthcare provider was, but Ben Askrin, he developed some kind of crazy pneumonia and then it became necrotic.
00:06:22.000I can't fucking imagine if you're in a situation like that where it's your health or if it's your home like with the people with the fires.
00:06:40.000It's such a weird game they're playing.
00:06:41.000Their businesses pay you as little as possible and get you to give them money every month so that maybe if something happens, they'll pay for it.
00:07:52.000You know, it's a tough position to be in.
00:07:53.000And he said, he goes, here's how I justify it.
00:07:57.000If I get the insurance company off or I save them some money, that does trickle down to the users with their premiums, making insurance continually as affordable as possible.
00:08:07.000He goes, the second I lose for my client, they turn around and fuck everybody even more.
00:08:14.000So he's like, that's the one little silver lining with it, like, I guess, you know?
00:09:01.000If there's anything demonic, like people don't want to think about demonic, like they don't want to think like, oh, there's like a devil with a pitchfork and a fucking tail with a pointy end to it.
00:09:14.000Like, if you know that someone's going to die, but you can deny them coverage because you just can make some sort of subjective decision whether or not this person should get coverage.
00:09:26.000And then you know they're going to die and they've been paying for insurance for years.
00:09:50.000So you don't think, you know, you don't think it's demonic.
00:09:53.000The thing that leaves me without hope, and I am not a very hope-filled individual, but the thing that leaves me without, with, with even less hope every day is I feel like the culture and people in all positions, you know, yours is, we're talking a very macro example of the thing.
00:10:12.000I find that more and more people every day put themselves, they position themselves in a way where they say, I will not be accountable and I will force you to be the one that has accountability to hold me to something.
00:10:25.000And until you hold me to something where I cannot squirm or pivot in any way, at that point I will then be accountable.
00:10:33.000And I feel that more and more people operate like that, obviously on a corporate level, but also an individualistic level.
00:11:04.000And the more that you try to hold yourself to accountability, and I'm not patting myself on the back in any way, but I find that burden grows and grows and grows.
00:11:12.000And you just start to get to this place where you're like, what the fuck is going on?
00:11:17.000It's like an epidemic of ethics at a certain point.
00:11:20.000Especially if you get indoctrinated into a real cutthroat corporate environment.
00:11:27.000You know, those guys can justify a lot of stuff because that's in the culture.
00:11:31.000Like our culture is talking shit to each other.
00:11:33.000Like the way we talk shit to each other, like there's a lot of people in a lot of other jobs that would have a giant problem with what you and I think is awesome.
00:11:41.000Like if you cracked on me and it was fucking awesome and we're all howling, like I could get you in real trouble if we were accountants.
00:11:49.000If we're accountants, that'd be a giant problem.
00:11:51.000So we're used to fucking with each other and we're used to laughing about stuff and we're used to saying ridiculous shit that we don't really mean just for fun.
00:12:01.000This would freak like if you got normies and you brought them into the green room of the mothership and we're all just hanging out one night just talking and having fun, you'd probably freak them out that people talk like this.
00:12:12.000Like, Jesus Christ, you guys are at work and you talk like this?
00:12:55.000There's some guys that are just notoriously make bad decisions, and then they bring their bad decisions around for everybody else to revel in.
00:13:46.000The ultimate form of fucking everybody over and making the biggest exaggerations and lying the most about people and using the most leverage.
00:13:59.000And what you're describing is, you know, it's quintessential Rod Serling shit.
00:14:05.000It's when people, it comes down to survival.
00:14:08.000Because eventually, that to me is what the technique is and how you get it to keep working in your favor if you're the asshole at the top of the food chain, right?
00:14:17.000You say, if I make people desperate enough, they will do desperate things to keep the situation that they feel now privileged to have or lucky to have.
00:15:12.000And as long as they feel that fear, that threat that my weekly paycheck might be cut off from me and that starts the chain of dominoes to my children starving or whatever it is.
00:15:25.000People do some really foul fucking shit, man.
00:15:28.000You know, some really foul fucking shit.
00:15:31.000You know, I feel very lucky that we're in several different ways.
00:15:36.000You know, we're all operating sort of at different levels of this crazy industry we're in.
00:15:42.000But all of us in this circle that we now all exist in in comedy, it's like we all get to be independently employed, independently sufficient.
00:15:53.000And I think that allows you to potentially live a better life, you know?
00:15:57.000It's just a better way of life for sure.
00:16:06.000So it's like, unless you can get a job off-site where they let you, they don't even let you do that anymore.
00:16:11.000Now they're making people go back to work, which is so interesting.
00:16:14.000Because there was a few people that fucked it up for everybody else, probably.
00:16:17.000It was like a bunch of lazy people who fucked off and didn't really do their work and kind of like half-assed everything because they were at home in their fucking pajamas and they didn't want to go back to work.
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00:21:01.000So I saw in the paper an ad back when you opened a newspaper to find a job and it said, help wanted, Texas Senate Media Department, we need a radio reporter.
00:23:19.000Like, he's talking, and one of the things he was talking about was why smoking things are so addictive, why smoking cigarettes are so addictive, and like the psychology behind it.
00:23:28.000He's not dumb, but he's just a guy who, you know, became an addict.
00:23:37.000You become a subhuman when you're junkied out all the time and you're that dude who's like what he was doing, like making films and shit and driving with a gun.
00:25:00.000When you make crack, what you're doing is you're burning off all the impurities so that they bind with the sodium bicarbonate, which makes it smokable.
00:25:08.000You know, all of these actors and, you know, people in the past that talked about they had a problem with cocaine and free basing, they were smoking crack.
00:25:18.000So straw on the stove is the same thing?
00:25:25.000But anyway, my point about it, your point about it, which I think is true, is that there's a thing about crack that is really insidious.
00:25:36.000And what it is, is that anytime, you know, I think one of the reasons that they believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it combines three really important things.
00:25:48.000It's habit forming, there is an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined with it.
00:25:53.000And so the idea of hand to mouth is a habit and a fixation that we learn very early, even as children.
00:26:00.000With a pacifier, with a spoon, with your thumb, to even to breastfeeding.
00:26:05.000So I, and I don't want to get into the psychology of it because I'm no expert, but I do know this: is that you combine with that ignition combustion, and then you combine the ritual.
00:26:15.000You have your cigarette in the morning, you have a cigarette when you get out of the car, you have your cigarette with your coffee.
00:28:00.000And a woman sits down on your dick for two seconds and then plops off and walks away.
00:28:06.000He goes, he goes, that sensation of the thrill of that, he goes, that's the only way I could think to kind of equate like what the charge of it is and how excited you are and how you feel you need to immediately do it again.
00:28:18.000And when you do it again, do you get the same reaction or is it dumbed down?
00:28:22.000That I don't remember what he said, but I got the impression that it's kind of like, you know, it's that just on repeat.
00:34:16.000And then there's people that genuinely do think that way.
00:34:18.000And it's what a lot of that is, I think, is the walled garden issue and the fact that there's like a walled garden, right?
00:34:26.000When there's a walled garden, there's a bunch of people that are doing really well together and they're hanging out together and they have fun.
00:34:32.000You start getting mad at that and you find reasons why that's bad because, you know, you want something like that in your life, which we all do.
00:34:38.000If I see like a whole group of friends like paling around and laughing, I always smile because I know what that's like.
00:34:46.000But if you never have that in your life and you see a group of people paling around and having a good time together and hugging each other and just laughing and just having a good old time, you feel like left out.
00:34:56.000You feel like you feel disrespected almost.
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00:36:17.000Do you remember like, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but I'm assuming you have.
00:36:23.000It's kind of like when you're coming up the ladder initially in show business and you see famous people on TV and whatever, and you got an opinion about everybody that's having too much fun, that's annoying.
00:36:35.000That guy's music sucks and this and that.
00:38:28.000It's like people that are looking at it from the outside.
00:38:30.000And it's not just us that are like this.
00:38:32.000Like, my thought on all this shit is that my favorite people to hang out with are comedians.
00:38:39.000And if you make an environment where comedians are really happy and everyone has a lot of gratitude, a lot of gratitude for what they're able to do with their life and that they have such great friends and they get to do sets and have fun and it transfers over to all the other people too.
00:38:58.000It transfers over to the up-and-comers.
00:39:30.000What it's about is making an environment where it's easiest possible for someone to thrive.
00:39:37.000So you got a bunch of feedback from a bunch of other comedians.
00:39:40.000You got a lot of up-and-coming talent that are like really killing it on stage and really trying to be heard and really writing new stuff all the time, performing all the time.
00:48:06.000You know, when you've got a good one, when you've got a good punchline, and you can look Andy Dick in the face and say, because it says it on the label, like whatever it is, and you know it's going to get a big laugh, it's just like doing stand-up.
00:48:17.000Like comics thrive in those multicam sitcoms.
00:48:21.000That's why they kept giving them to like Roseanne, Seinfeld, Brett Butler.
00:48:26.000They wanted Tim Allen, everybody that could do stand-up could do that kind of in front of an audience acting.
00:48:33.000See, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit.
00:48:38.000I think I agree with you the idea that if the joke's there, you can land it.
00:48:42.000But think about it like this with stand-up, right?
00:48:46.000You know, Woody Allen once said, I used to think it was as easy as just writing a good joke, and if I said it, it was fine.
00:48:51.000And he goes, then I realized that wasn't the case.
00:48:52.000I had to write good jokes that were of my personality.
00:48:56.000And that's why I'm so enamored by guys that are good at multicam sitcom acting because they're writing something for a character you're playing.
00:49:03.000And it's knowing how to land the joke, but also making it believable.
00:49:14.000You watch King of Queens, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, he delivered that line that nine out of 10 other people, it would be in no way organic or believable, that choice he just made.
00:49:26.000And he does it in a way where you believe that's actually who this person is, and it gets a laugh.
00:49:33.000Yeah, that was one of the last of the great sitcoms.
00:50:46.000So you watch it, and they're getting jokes in where you're like, you can tell two years later they wouldn't have allowed any of these jokes.
00:50:54.000You know what a show that I used to shit on until I watched it?
00:50:57.000It was a really good show, and I feel bad that I used to shit on it.
00:53:18.000No one has any vitamin D. They're all rotting out from the inside.
00:53:24.000They're all overwhelmed with anxiety, trying to control everyone's speech and behavior and every fucking flag that you can possibly wave for what you support.
00:53:38.000I think a city, that was always one of my big gripes with life in LA, or more specifically Hollywood.
00:53:46.000I think a city where you have to drive to get to the bar, you got a problem because nobody's able to just go out the front door, go down the street, and just have some fun.
00:53:58.000Everything is, it's got to be planned.
00:54:00.000It's got to be this, it's got to be that.
00:56:02.000Billy Connolly had this joke after he got sober where he was talking about living in New York.
00:56:07.000And he goes, every morning, my routine is I walk to the newsstand, I buy a cup of coffee, and the morning edition of the New York Times, my life is a ball of fire.
00:56:22.000And then the funniest part of the joke is he said there was the same homeless guy every day that he would give money to.
00:56:27.000And he said, one day the homeless guy goes, you know, you don't have to give me money every day.
00:56:30.000And he goes, I know I don't, you little fucking cunt.
00:58:28.000You're like, you guys don't understand.
00:58:31.000This is going in a terrible direction.
00:58:33.000These are just the first steps of something going in a terrible direction.
00:58:36.000Like at first, you think it's good because there's no more peep shows, there's no more street hustlers and scary people trying to rob people.
00:58:46.000But now you have the corporatization of one of the literally the wildest places in New York City was Times Square.
00:59:54.000When I was a kid, I used to play pool in New York at Chelsea Billiards.
00:59:56.000It's a 24-hour pool hall that was known throughout the world as a place where the best pool players in New York City would go and gamble.
01:00:04.000So I'd go there two, three o'clock in the morning, any given night, and you would find some of the best players in the world matching up, playing pool for money.
01:01:47.000It was like to be a young man and to be around all those people was like a very, it was a very interesting experience because although I knew it wasn't healthy for them and I knew it wasn't a smart way to live your life, the fact that they were like dedicated to never doing anything but what they were doing.
01:02:54.000A lot of dudes that I used to play with are dead.
01:02:56.000One of the things that I cherish most about my New York experience was when I first got there, it was how I became friends with Attel.
01:03:05.000Dave liked to go out back then, you know, and Insomnia or Insomniac was on the air, that show he hosted where he would, you know, go out into the cities.
01:04:35.000And we'll let you go to two on these nights, but not till four.
01:04:39.000And if you want to go till four, it has to be in this type of location where this type of activity will never happen, meaning like a DJ that can offend neighbors because of the base or it's got to be situated in a way where people will not be congregating outside because the venue is large enough to hold them.
01:04:58.000There's all this shit, but like that 4 a.m. shit is going away.
01:05:03.000I don't think they want it in New York anymore because of, you know, people get fucked up and they're puking outside, and then the residents are getting pissed off.
01:05:11.000What do you think is going to happen if this, how do you say his name?
01:08:25.000The greatest fucking sandwiches on the known planet.
01:08:28.000When you go there at 2 o'clock in the morning and you get a fucking pastrami Rubin from Katz Deli at 2 o'clock in the morning with the steak fries.
01:10:52.000They probably had to get more aggressive to survive because all the food got cut off because there was no restaurants open.
01:10:56.000Well, also, too, the places that were shut down, so many shut their doors but left their stock and abandoned ship.
01:11:02.000So the rats got in there and it was fucking, you know, it was Charlotte's Webb, the fucking, the rat at the picnic, whatever that fucking Templeton.
01:11:13.000But somebody told me, a construction guy told me once, he goes, dude, rats are some of the smartest fucking creatures on earth.
01:11:19.000He goes, scaffolding, when they're scaffolding on a building, when they're doing work on a building, it opens everything up and rats tend to come.
01:11:27.000He said, sometimes what they'll do is they'll hang dead rats from The scaffolding, and other rats will see the dead rats and go, don't fuck with that place.
01:11:42.000I've done no research to see if it's true.
01:11:43.000If I go into a neighborhood on horseback and I see a dude fucking hanging by the front door, I'd be like, oh, this is not a good spot to stop.
01:14:44.000Because he's probably done this a hundred times.
01:14:46.000When the trap flips, if this is a real video, and I don't know that it's a real video, the only thing that makes me think it's a real video and that's going to sound crazy is that it's from like two years ago.
01:15:10.000And it's a guy that, with AI, creates these little Star Wars vignettes of things all the fans always wanted to see, but we never got to see.
01:19:05.000Last Voyage was originally supposed to be an actual prequel to the Coppola movie.
01:19:14.000It was actually supposed to, because remember in the Coppola movie, they showed the sequence where there's the blood hitting the sails and all that stuff?
01:19:20.000That was actually supposed to be a legit connected prequel.
01:19:24.000Which, God damn, could you imagine if that movie was fucking Gary Oldman?
01:25:13.000What do you think is the scariest movie of all time?
01:25:17.000I will tell you, for me, it remains to be The Exorcist.
01:25:21.000And I appreciate how scary I find it that I will infrequently watch it because I never want that to wear off.
01:25:27.000Because I've seen so many horror movies at this point.
01:25:30.000It's very hard to find something where I'm actually freaked.
01:25:33.000And The Exorcist, probably a lot to do with Catholic upbringing and a lot of the, and then that was a movie when I was growing up where people would say, you know, the devil could actually reach you if you watch that movie.
01:25:44.000You know, it had so much great lure around it.
01:25:47.000All of that just sits with me subconsciously when I watch it.
01:25:52.000I think it is the scariest movie I've ever seen.
01:25:55.000And follows, by the way, in my opinion, what is a necessary component to make a great horror movie?
01:27:56.000And then spirits from that other place can travel through to that spot because you've done such a, someone's done such a terrible thing in that house, like some axe murderer in that house.
01:28:06.000And then for whatever, the amount of pain and suffering that took place in that spot opened up a portal to another place.
01:29:02.000When you do something with space with aliens, I remember reading that when I was young, when I wanted to be a comic book illustrator.
01:29:09.000And one of the things that I was reading in this book of how it illustrates things, like the aliens are the ultimate thing that you can draw because no one can tell you what it looks like.
01:33:27.000Look, there's like legitimate parasites on Earth that go so far as to, like, here's one.
01:33:36.000You know what the cordyceps mushrooms parasites where they take over spiders' bodies and ants' bodies, and then they explode in the air so that the spores come out of their body in like a big explosion.
01:33:50.000So they infect everyone around them, and then all of them around them become like these fucking, they get paralyzed by the mushroom and get eaten by it, and then they explode.
01:37:19.000I think people just decide it's enough.
01:37:22.000And he was struggling for a long time.
01:37:24.000So if you get a debilitating disease like Parkinson's and it just slowly robs you of your ability to move and your wit and everything, it just slowly takes it all away from you.
01:37:36.000He said, too, if I could borrow your lighter.
01:37:39.000He said too, he did a recent interview where he said, you know, he's in that, he was in immense pain because of the surgery he had on his back or whatever it was.
01:37:49.000And he was saying that he didn't need the surgery.
01:37:55.000It was something along the lines that it was bad advice for him to get the surgery, something like that.
01:37:59.000And had he not gotten it, he would have had more mobility and whatever.
01:38:03.000And I was like, that really sucks, dude.
01:38:10.000And I got the impression from what he was saying, him like having to sit in a chair and stuff during the shows had way less to do with Parkinson's and way more to do with just pain from this back thing.
01:43:06.000He just went bent, crouched here and bent, walks around to the fucking piano cover, is like slamming it, walks back around bent, and then sits down and starts it.
01:43:26.000The other, if you'll indulge me in my concert memories, my other favorite thing I ever saw at a concert, it was such a fucking cock rock move.
01:47:20.000And I would do the thing where, you know, it had the, you know, the button they used to have in the controller where you could hit the button.
01:49:32.000There's people that are really good at getting information from stuff.
01:49:36.000A buddy of mine owns the racetrack around here.
01:49:39.000They found a device attached to their internet that was like some foreign entity, they assumed China, had set up this device to, so it was when Formula One was in town.
01:49:51.000So you got all these high rollers and everybody's using the Wi-Fi.
01:50:10.000It's weird to think that that's possible.
01:50:14.000That they've done that not just there, but if they caught them doing it at the racetrack, for sure they probably do it at all kinds of public places.
01:50:22.000Like if you go to see a basketball game or a football game and you use a public Wi-Fi at some place, there's a chance that there's some fucking asshole that's hacked into their system and can figure out how to get your banking information somebody told me that the you know the the you know the the card sliders or whatever when you go to 7-Eleven or wherever uh-huh somebody told me about a year ago never never type your manually type your code
01:50:52.000because they said a lot of those, I'm not saying 7-Eleven does this, but there are places where they'll put a camera in it so they can videotape you typing your number in, and that's how they steal PIN codes.
01:52:06.000This is too much of a pain in the ass.
01:52:08.000I guess steal if you're going to steal.
01:52:09.000I can't deal with the tedium of all this anymore, of putting in two fucking passwords to every website, having to do a security pin every time I want to log into my own shit.
01:52:33.000One of the big concerns that they have about the idea of quantum computers is that when quantum computers – and I think they think they can achieve this even before quantum computing is, like, common – that it kills all encryption.
01:53:57.000She's not the brightest, but she's cool.
01:53:58.000The other guy, you're going to learn some shit, but you might find yourself in a weird situation with him.
01:54:02.000That's Apple's main issue that people have with Apple.
01:54:06.000And there's been, like, a lot of talk about whether or not Tim Cook has dropped the ball, whether there's people that want to remove him as a CEO.
01:54:13.000And it's the way they've integrated with AI.
01:54:16.000As opposed to the way Samsung is integrated with AI, which is much better.
01:55:02.000So it had to teach it to not do that anymore.
01:55:06.000I often wonder, and this is a bit conspiratorial, I guess, but I often wonder if, because I always found it outright confusing how bad Siri was with Apple, especially because it was Apple, right?
01:56:00.000You would ask, you know, I'm having this problem.
01:56:03.000They'd walk you through it as much as they could.
01:56:05.000If it got to a breaking point, they'd say, okay, look, can we do a screen share so I can figure out what's going on because something's not right here.
01:56:56.000they get busted for there's all tech companies all the time get busted for taking data they're not supposed to take it's the it's the it's What's weird about it is it's a commodity that nobody saw coming.
01:57:24.000I mean, they made billions and billions of dollars giving you amazing free products like Gmail and then selling things to you in advertisements and siphoning off your fucking data.
02:00:49.000Well, Hollywood has known about this for a long time, and it's one of the things that scared the fuck out of them.
02:00:54.000And one of the weird things they've done is they've made deals with extras.
02:00:59.000Like, they want to make deals with extras where they have your likeness forever, so they don't have to pay you again.
02:01:03.000So they just use you and just twist your face a little and change this and change that and change your skin tone and take your hair off, put hair on.
02:01:13.000And they can just use you forever for background.
02:02:03.000You know, I even get, if you told me, hey, Disney's going to make a new Indiana Jones movie with 25-year-old Harrison Ford and it's fake, but you're going to think you're watching 25, I would watch that.
02:02:37.000They were able to computer generate thousands of orcs based on five actual people in makeup so they could affordably create these epic battles that they never would have been able to shoot otherwise.
02:04:35.000Kodak, you used to have to go to a place and get your fucking photos processed.
02:04:42.000Okay, you used to take the film, you'd get a camera, take the film, you have to bring to a place, and that place develops all your photographs, and that's how you got pictures.
02:04:51.000I mean, there's still some people that still do it, but the percentage of people that do it.
02:04:56.000I know this is where it gets very sinister to me.
02:05:02.000Because I think the idea we all have, or a lot of us have, is, okay, progress means certain jobs will go away and other jobs will be the only jobs available.
02:05:14.000And I think a lot of us have the impression that, well, at least the jobs that are available will still be well-paying because they'll be sought after and whatever and all that stuff.
02:05:22.000I know some writers whose job now is not to write the thing, but to take the thing AI wrote and edit it for AI.
02:05:34.000So now you're the secretary to the computer, literally.
02:05:37.000So you just edit the AI stuff to make it better.
02:06:38.000No, Jodi Foster talked recently about, she's like, look, I want to hire young women because I know how hard it is to have been a young woman in this business.
02:06:48.000And she's like, but I get at odds with some of these people I hire because they'll send out these work emails that are riddled with grammatical errors and no punctuation.
02:06:56.000And she says, I will say to them, you're a professional.
02:06:59.000You have to know how to write an email.
02:10:48.000There's this bio that comes along with all these types of people we're talking about on the internet where it's like, self-made, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
02:13:05.000If you have to show everybody everything you're doing to get likes, well, then I know like the part of you that needs attention, that part's poor.
02:18:11.000When it starts flowingly communicating with you with zero pause like a human being, which it's pretty close to doing, there's like you ask it a question with your voice, it pauses, and then it'll repeat it back to you.
02:18:25.000And a bunch of different accents, a bunch of different fake voices.
02:18:30.000There's a bunch of different AIs that can do that now.
02:18:32.000Well, where I was at earlier today, WasteWell, they have an alien that you ask the alien questions, and it gives you health information.
02:18:40.000It'll tell you studies on testosterone replacement and why it's important to take magnesium.
02:19:21.000I think China is going to be the first.
02:19:24.000They're so far ahead of us with so many different things.
02:19:28.000So far ahead of us with electric cars.
02:19:30.000First of all, their automobile production is insane.
02:19:35.000Ford went over there and one of the guys from Ford came back and he said it was like humiliating to see how advanced these Chinese car manufacturers are.
02:19:45.000And they all incorporate already with AI.
02:19:48.000So they come like from the factory with AI integration built into them.
02:19:53.000But no American manufacturers have figured out how to do that yet.
02:20:28.000Japanese cars forever have been some of the most prized cars because they made like the Nissan Skyline, the GTR, the Toyota Supras, and all these crazy sports cars, the Acura NSX.
02:21:42.000But you drive, so it's a weird juxtaposition of things there because their technology, they're so advanced in so many ways, but then the society is completely cuffed, right?
02:23:48.000So my question is, China's advancing with AI beyond where we are.
02:23:53.000I wonder how they're going to keep it out of the public's hands because they are not okay with the public having any access to anything else.
02:24:00.000Well, I think it's also similar to the internet, right?
02:24:03.000So they lock down the internet in China.
02:24:06.000You can't get outside internet unless you have some crazy way of doing it, and you can get in real trouble if you do it.
02:24:16.000But other places where they develop the internet, like in America, I think if the government and intelligence agencies knew the impact, just the way it changed elections, just the way it changed people's ability to process propaganda and know what's real and not real, it changed everything.
02:24:33.000It changed public perception of mainstream media and newspapers and outlets and journals.
02:24:38.000And we started to realize, like, no, they've been lying forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
02:25:17.000I mean, we learned about, I don't know if they still teach it, but we learned about when I was a kid, we learned about yellow journalism and William Randolph Hearst, the biggest newspaper tycoon that ever lived up until a certain point.
02:25:31.000And it just makes me laugh that there are still people that actually know about all that and then still think corporate news is like, oh, no, no, it's real.
02:25:38.000It's like, guys, this is literally history repeating.
02:25:42.000It's those people that still buy the New York Times in physical form.
02:25:45.000They want to go to the diner and drink coffee and read what the opinion piece is.
02:25:50.000You know, and that's how they form their opinions.
02:25:53.000And it's like, the problem is if you get indoctrinated into that world, you know, like I used to deliver the New York Times when I was a kid.
02:25:59.000And I delivered the New York Times only because it was prestigious.
02:26:04.000And I thought it made me cooler to have a New York Times route.
02:29:44.000I mean, I thought it's perfect when a guy like Tim gets interviewed by CNN.
02:29:49.000It's perfect because you get to see the difference.
02:29:52.000This is a person who's actually thinking for themselves versus a person who's commenting on something that they don't really understand and not doing it in a way where you're asking questions.
02:30:00.000Really, you're sort of making you already have a vision of what it is in your head and you're trying to get him to confirm that vision.
02:30:11.000But you don't really know what you're talking about.
02:30:30.000And with what you're saying with like Tim being interviewed on CNN is great.
02:30:35.000It truly is because, guys, this is what we, my favorite thing, one of my favorite pieces of news history ever to watch are the Buckley-Gorvidal debate.
02:31:21.000Like he lost his cool, and it was also dumb.
02:31:25.000Gorvadal calls him a Nazi, and then I think William F. Buckley says, if you call me a Nazi again, you little queer, I'm going to punch your goddamn mouth off or something like that.
02:32:04.000It's fucking great, man, when Hitchens, Christopher Hitchens, started to lean a little more conservative towards the end of his life than he had previously been.
02:32:16.000The interviews with him when he went on Marr, when Marr was more traditionally current liberal, whatever you want to call it, than he is now.
02:32:24.000But seeing him and Marr sit and talk about the W. Bush-Iraq war.
02:32:30.000And there's a great Hitchens moment where he says something in support of the war, and the crowd booze, and Hitchens turns and gives the crowd the finger, and he goes, ah, you fucking sheep.
02:32:44.000But like even seeing an Ann Coulter going on Bill Maher and the two of them talking and not agreeing, but being very well prepared from both sides.
02:32:55.000There's so little of that anymore, man.
02:32:57.000Well, Maher still does it on his show.
02:33:17.000They're so caught up in this ideology that they're proposing that they're so committed to it that they're not necessarily making logical sense.
02:33:47.000If you have five fucking people talking, the problem is none of them are going to, you're not going to get the ultimately what they're capable of.
02:34:21.000Without the fucking beer bon and Leonard Skinner songs.
02:34:27.000No, but I used to love doing, and this was a heavy-loaded show, but I used to really love doing Red Eye on Fox, which was Guttfeld's first show.
02:34:40.000And it was on at 2 a.m., so few people saw it, but there were three hosts.
02:34:45.000Guttfeld, who was the most conservative, but not full-on conservative.
02:34:50.000Bill Schultz, who was the most liberal, but not full-on liberal.
02:34:54.000And Andy Levy, who was the most sort of in between the two.
02:34:59.000And it was great because you would hear something get hit from three different angles.
02:35:39.000But also, it's like that's sort of he's been doing like when it comes to like political desk comedy, who defined it more than him on the daily show?
02:35:50.000And then when he came back to doing it like once a week, that once a week must have so many more viewers than the rest of the week.
02:35:56.000Yeah, he's that I remember watching that first episode back and I was like, holy.
02:37:04.000Someone was saying, like, I think television networks have to come to grips with the fact that these late-night talk show hosts are basically just YouTubers now.
02:37:14.000Because the reality is the people that are going to see it, the people that are really going to see it, they're going to see it on YouTube.
02:37:20.000That's going to be a far larger audience than anywhere else.
02:37:23.000Especially if it's like a celebrity, you know, you're interviewing Scarlett Johansson in a clip or a clip, you know, some athlete.
02:37:30.000Those get way more views than the actual show itself.
02:37:34.000So essentially, you've become a YouTuber.
02:37:36.000Well, dude, when I, this was years ago, when I first started doing some stuff with Comedy Central, I got this deal with them to do web shorts.
02:37:52.000And they gave you X amount of dollars, and they're like, deliver five episodes of some kind of web thing.
02:38:58.000Like if you curate a really good, like if you have a bunch of subjects that you're really interested in, you could find more, like for me, I'm a giant fan of ancient history.
02:39:12.000Huge fan of like either unexplained things or things that they can explain.
02:39:20.000And you realize like how clever these people had to be.
02:39:22.000Like I was, I wanted to bring this up to you, Jamie, because I made a screenshot of this because it looks completely insane.
02:39:29.000This was some device, a lockbox that they built in Iran 800 years ago.
02:39:39.000And this thing is like so fucking complicated.
02:39:43.000Like a lockbox being like what you'd put your keys in these days outside your building.
02:39:47.000But it's like, no, it's like a combination box that had like 800 different potential combinations.
02:43:54.000With ghosts, a lot of times it's supposedly people die and they don't know they died and they're haunting a place.
02:43:58.000Like what if the experience of death sometimes has a hiccup?
02:44:03.000Like, you know, sometimes you get like a bad video artifact or you're watching a movie and it fucking jerks and gets weird and it comes back to normal again.
02:44:10.000Like what if the code of life and death and reality itself is not perfect?
02:44:28.000Or it's, yeah, it's like, and then when people, when you talk about the simulation theory, if it is, sometimes you play a video game and there's a non-playable character and it's a glitch and they're all fucking like twitching in the corner.
02:44:51.000Like, how many people have to die before you go, hey, maybe that fucking, I mean, how many, like, if you were a devil, a demon that you took over a doll and you possess this doll, and then you ruin people's lives, you don't ruin them every day.
02:46:34.000But then there's another one with a little girl where she gets a doll with Telly Savalis is her dad, and he's a dick, and the doll keeps telling Tele Savalis it's going to kill him.
02:49:28.000Yeah, you're in a vehicle and you're moving around on tracks and a bunch of shit is happening and which, by the way, lasers somehow or another are more advanced than bullets.
02:52:49.000That's, that's, I remember when I was a kid, people were absolutely terrified of that movie.
02:52:55.000Like, more so than any movie I think of all time.
02:52:57.000Because other movies were horror movies, but they didn't deal with something that people actually believed could be true, which is like demonic possession.
02:53:07.000Imagine if you were a fucking priest and, you know, they trained you how to do exorcists, like a bunch of fucking schizophrenics off their meds, you know?
02:54:37.000Like, in the context of that time, there was no film that was that crazy.
02:54:42.000And I'm telling you, there's no exorcism movie since that's comes even kind of close.
02:54:47.000But it did open up the door to that kind of genre, though.
02:54:52.000But dude, how fucking cool is it that in the climax in the third act of the movie, when Karis finally realizes like, this fucking bitch is possessed.
02:56:31.000He was going off about something on the right side of the green room the other night, and I was sitting on the left side with Derek Post in and Hassan.
02:56:39.000And I go, I just turn to them, I go, if Kurt was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, when they opened the Ark at the end, his face wouldn't melt.
02:57:30.000He was going off about something, dude, and you were just standing there quiet.
02:57:35.000And you walked over and you just go, Kurt, I hesitate to even ask you the question because you knew you were going to rip the kid.
02:57:46.000I laugh so hard and I go, I go, Rogan talks to people for four hours a day, three times a week, and Kurt's the guy that's, he's like, Kurt, I don't even want to get you started right now.
02:57:56.000Like, you know how to talk to anybody for lengths of time.
02:58:35.000I've seen that man, I'm not exaggerating, roll and smoke a full joint to the head in the time it would take the average person to smoke half a cigarette.
02:58:48.000Like roll it, four hits, down, gone, boom.
02:58:53.000Like just, just, he's operating on a different plate.
03:00:18.000And you just get to the point where you're like, okay, I can't be on either one of your fucking teams because you guys are both at the far ends, completely insane.
03:00:26.000Far ends of the left and the far ends of the right.
03:00:35.000I never, once ethics, pardon me, once ethics became economized, I knew there was, I was like, we got a real problem on our hands now.
03:00:45.000Like when people started, because I was living in LA at the time.
03:00:50.000And when you started seeing, like, you'd be in a job interview just to get a writing gig on a TV show, whatever it was, and you started to see how your social media played into it.
03:01:00.000You started to see how your takes played into it.
03:01:02.000Hey, I saw you in a little weird dust up with this guy on the internet.