The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2355 - Mike Baker

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 We're up, we're up, we're up.

00:00:13.000 Mike Baker, Mike Baker, what a good time to talk to you.

00:00:16.000 What a good time to have you in.

00:00:17.000 What a fine time.

00:00:18.000 There's so much chaos.

00:00:19.000 It's so much more cheap.

00:00:20.000 There's so much madness.

00:00:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:00:22.000 Did you see the South Park episode?

00:00:24.000 Which one?

00:00:25.000 They did a Donald Trump one with Satan?

00:00:28.000 No.

00:00:29.000 It's fucking hilarious. 0.99

00:00:31.000 I got it. 0.99

00:00:32.000 The show is fantastic.

00:00:34.000 I raised my three boys on that show, much to my wife's horror. 0.89

00:00:39.000 But it's a great show, but I haven't seen that episode. 0.98

00:00:41.000 When you think, like Bridget Fetesy had a funny quote, like when you think that they have reached the bottom of the highest level of not giving a fuck, they reach unseen levels. 0.98

00:00:54.000 The whole Epstein thing is so crazy. 0.99

00:00:56.000 Like, and him saying, like, what do you care?

00:00:58.000 Why does everybody care about Epstein?

00:01:02.000 Well, that's it.

00:01:02.000 Yeah, but it is.

00:01:03.000 Look, I mean, although, again, going back to South Park, yeah, once they did the Woodland Creatures episode all those years ago, you thought, okay, that's got to be the worst thing.

00:01:12.000 Which one was the Woodland Creatures episode?

00:01:13.000 You got to look it up.

00:01:13.000 Oh, my God.

00:01:14.000 It's fantastic.

00:01:16.000 I'm not going to do it justice if I try to explain what it's about. 1.00

00:01:19.000 Well, remember when they did the gay teacher where you had a whore off with Paris Hilton and stuffed her up his ass? 1.00

00:01:25.000 This is the one. 1.00

00:01:28.000 They're all lesson.

00:01:29.000 Oh, that's right.

00:01:30.000 Oh, I forgot about that one.

00:01:31.000 Yeah.

00:01:32.000 That was 17 years ago. 0.99

00:01:34.000 They don't give a fuck, dude. 0.99

00:01:36.000 They haven't given a fuck since the beginning, and it's the greatest show of all time. 0.99

00:01:39.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:01:39.000 Honestly, if you said, what would be the best job that you could have imagined? 0.94

00:01:43.000 It would be being one of those two guys.

00:01:46.000 They're killing it.

00:01:47.000 And the thing is, it's so beautiful because they have cartoons, and you can do things with cartoons you could never do with real people. 0.99

00:01:54.000 You can kill them. 1.00

00:01:55.000 They can fuck each other. 1.00

00:01:56.000 They can stick things up their ass. 1.00

00:01:58.000 Anything can happen. 0.99

00:02:00.000 Anything can happen because, and it's also, they're not realistic cartoons.

00:02:03.000 So it's like you're somehow or another detached from it.

00:02:06.000 Yeah.

00:02:07.000 No, they, and if they, they did a documentary one time.

00:02:11.000 I don't know if you saw that.

00:02:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:12.000 Where they tracked the six days it takes them to make the show.

00:02:15.000 This Trump had been with Satan, Satan.

00:02:15.000 Okay.

00:02:17.000 Satan's back.

00:02:18.000 Satan's upset at Trump.

00:02:20.000 It's very funny.

00:02:22.000 Well, you remember the Satan and Diddy episode.

00:02:24.000 That was fantastic.

00:02:26.000 Oh, the Satan Diddy episode.

00:02:26.000 I didn't see that one.

00:02:28.000 And then they had the mass murderers.

00:02:32.000 No, this was a few years back, too.

00:02:33.000 It was a ditty party, and he wanted to...

00:02:37.000 He wanted a Lamborghini cake, but it was like the devil wanted it.

00:02:41.000 And they said, no, Diddy did it already.

00:02:43.000 And it's fantastic.

00:02:44.000 Remember when they had the movie with Saddam Hussein? 0.99

00:02:47.000 And Saddam Hussein was in a gay relationship with Satan. 0.99

00:02:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Oh, God.

00:02:52.000 You could spend the entire time.

00:02:53.000 People are like, oh, they're going to talk about this the whole time?

00:02:56.000 Yeah.

00:02:56.000 The Epstein stuff is so crazy because when Cash Patel was on here and he was like, there's no, there's nothing.

00:03:03.000 And I was like, what are you talking about?

00:03:05.000 I didn't even know what to say.

00:03:07.000 My thought was, and people are like, why didn't you push back more?

00:03:09.000 My thought was like, I'm just going to put this out there and let the internet do its work because there's nothing I can.

00:03:13.000 The guy's saying there's no tapes, there's no video.

00:03:16.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:03:17.000 Everyone knows it doesn't make any sense.

00:03:19.000 Let's just, and then he didn't know about the Michael Badden stuff, the autopsy stuff, where it showed that he had three broken bones in his neck, which never happens when you hang yourself.

00:03:30.000 Even when you like leap from somewhere with a rope around your neck and it snaps your neck, you never have three broken bones.

00:03:39.000 He's not launching himself off the first floor balcony.

00:03:42.000 The whole thing is nuts.

00:03:43.000 And then he's like, well, we have a film.

00:03:44.000 We're going to release that film. 0.98

00:03:46.000 And the film has a fucking minute missing from it. 0.99

00:03:49.000 Like, do you think we're babies? 0.99

00:03:50.000 Like, what is this?

00:03:52.000 Also, you have people, including Dan Pongino, right, making bank for a couple of years talking about how awful it is. 1.00

00:03:58.000 And we got to get this shit. 1.00

00:03:59.000 And this is a huge conspiracy. 1.00

00:04:01.000 And then you release a two-page memo that says, yeah, there's nothing to see here.

00:04:05.000 Yeah, because you're walking by your bedroom window and you see a little laser.

00:04:08.000 Yeah.

00:04:09.000 A little red laser moving across your chest.

00:04:11.000 But it really is.

00:04:13.000 It's so cut.

00:04:13.000 Look, you know me.

00:04:14.000 I'm not a conspiracy guy.

00:04:16.000 Oh, you are today.

00:04:17.000 But I am today. 1.00

00:04:18.000 Today, I'm fully on board with this shit. 1.00

00:04:22.000 Everybody's in today. 1.00

00:04:23.000 Yeah.

00:04:24.000 But they're actually doing, right, as we speak, and I find this fascinating, is that the assistant attorney general, Todd Blanche, is down in Florida for an interview with Ghillaine Maxwell.

00:04:36.000 And she's serving 20 years in a Florida prison for sex trafficking. 1.00

00:04:41.000 To who, though?

00:04:43.000 To who.

00:04:43.000 What's that?

00:04:45.000 Well, he's down there to interview her.

00:04:47.000 But I'm saying she's sex trafficked to her. 1.00

00:04:50.000 Well, she was a co-conspirator of Epstein's, right?

00:04:53.000 But don't you have to have a person who you're sex-trafficking to?

00:04:56.000 And they talked about the victims somewhat during her trial.

00:04:56.000 Exactly.

00:05:00.000 It was a very difficult trial in the sense of, you know, they're trying to protect certain victims and others were coming forward.

00:05:07.000 But, you know, my surprise was nobody from DOJ has ever, according to her legal team, nobody has ever interviewed her from DOJ, right?

00:05:18.000 Department of Justice. 0.98

00:05:20.000 So this is the first time the Department of Justice, you're telling me, and meanwhile, up on Capitol Hill, you've got Democrats like Adam Schiff and others going, we have got to release these fucking files. 0.94

00:05:27.000 They had four years under the previous administration, right? 0.99

00:05:30.000 Look, everybody's fucked in this situation. 0.98

00:05:32.000 But they had all that time to do whatever they wanted to do. 0.99

00:05:35.000 And nobody up until this point apparently has talked to her.

00:05:38.000 Now, you know, some folks on the legal side are saying, well, look, if she had anything interesting to say, she would have said it during the course of her trial, right?

00:05:45.000 To save herself or to cut a deal. 0.96

00:05:47.000 No.

00:05:48.000 But now.

00:05:48.000 I don't think so.

00:05:49.000 I don't kill her. 1.00

00:05:51.000 The smartest thing for her to do is to keep her fucking mouth shut, which is what she did. 1.00

00:05:55.000 They put her in a cushy prison where she could do yoga. 1.00

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 Yoga in prison.

00:06:00.000 That doesn't sound good.

00:06:00.000 Here's one of my favorite ones.

00:06:02.000 I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because somebody tweeted this and it's just so perfect.

00:06:06.000 And it just shows you how crazy this whole thing has been from the very beginning.

00:06:15.000 Someone tweeted this from the Atlantic.

00:06:18.000 And this is what's funny about this.

00:06:22.000 Check this out, Jamie. 1.00

00:06:23.000 So it's these fucking people. 1.00

00:06:25.000 It's like... 1.00

00:06:29.000 They all knew him.

00:06:30.000 So many people knew him and knew her.

00:06:33.000 And they're all pretending that they didn't.

00:06:36.000 Check this out.

00:06:38.000 This is the Atlantic says.

00:06:40.000 Go up, Bigger, so we can see it so we can see the quote below it below it no go back there we go i can't read it here it goes uh this is what the atlantic posts if the epstein scandal teaches us anything it's that america needs a dedicated and decently funded group of people whose job it is not to just ask questions but to find answers and then this guy sean davis posts the woman

00:07:10.000 on the right is Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:07:12.000 She trafficked children for Jeffrey Epstein. 0.84

00:07:14.000 The woman on the left owns your magazine. 1.00

00:07:16.000 This is so fucking wild. 1.00

00:07:21.000 Just that alone is so wild that they would have the balls to post that. 1.00

00:07:26.000 We need dedicated journalists. 0.95

00:07:28.000 Not just people asking questions.

00:07:30.000 Which is like, for sure, an attack on podcasts. 0.99

00:07:34.000 Like, listen, you guys didn't do shit. 1.00

00:07:38.000 You didn't do shit. 0.99

00:07:40.000 So, just the fact that we're just asking questions along with that, or is this a knock on the defunding of PBS, which is essentially a propaganda network for the Democratic Party? 0.99

00:07:52.000 Yeah, which is now being, apparently, we'll see if that happens, but apparently being defunded.

00:07:56.000 But yeah, look, everybody's worried now, right?

00:08:00.000 At first it was like, okay, again, I go back a handful of years.

00:08:05.000 Nobody was pushing for this, right?

00:08:07.000 Because you got people from all sides, probably, on whatever that list looks like.

00:08:12.000 Whatever that Epstein file looks like.

00:08:14.000 Whoever was involved.

00:08:15.000 You got people from all sides of the spectrum here going on.

00:08:18.000 And so, everybody's worried.

00:08:20.000 So, it looked like, alright, you know, there's kind of this bizarre bipartisan moment where we're not going to push for this, really.

00:08:27.000 We're not going to make a big effort here.

00:08:28.000 We're not sending anybody from DOJ.

00:08:30.000 The Dems aren't, during the Biden administration, calling for the release of the files.

00:08:34.000 Now, all of a sudden, they smell, you know, blood in the water and a particular, you know, political motivation here.

00:08:39.000 So, let's get these files out.

00:08:41.000 And, you know, nobody's going to look good from this.

00:08:44.000 But, again, I would caution some, you know, just because a name might be in a file, no matter whose it is, right, doesn't necessarily mean there's nefarious activity.

00:08:54.000 It could be like any police file, right, that says, okay, the individual stopped at this particular location and this person was there doesn't mean they're connected to something awful. 0.94

00:09:02.000 They weren't fucking underage girls. 1.00

00:09:03.000 Maybe they were if they're in the file, right, but I'm just saying there's a lot of people probably in that file that are going to be named if it ever comes out who may or may not have been engaged in illegal activity, but just release the goddamn things. 0.98

00:09:16.000 Yeah, there's probably a lot of people who just went there.

00:09:19.000 Did I send you that thing where this guy was breaking, did I say NPR or PBS earlier?

00:09:23.000 I meant NPR.

00:09:24.000 Did I send you that thing, that link where this guy is breaking down all the different tweets that the lady who is the CEO of NPR made?

00:09:32.000 I don't think so.

00:09:33.000 She's getting questioned on whether or not she's biased and then this guy like goes over all the different tweets. 0.95

00:09:42.000 God damn it, I know I saved it, but I should have been prepared.

00:09:45.000 I know I have it in here because it's so funny. 0.99

00:09:49.000 It's so funny listening to her.

00:09:51.000 You might be able to find it.

00:09:51.000 See if you can find it.

00:09:53.000 I just think I just found it.

00:09:53.000 No, you found it beautiful because it's so adorable.

00:09:57.000 this pretending that this was an unbiased news source.

00:10:01.000 Directly from her own account.

00:10:01.000 Yes.

00:10:03.000 Well, this is one of them, but this one guy broke it down.

00:10:08.000 Sorry.

00:10:08.000 Maybe I sent it to Dave Smith.

00:10:11.000 We'll find it.

00:10:18.000 Yeah, but again, anybody who at this stage of the game thinks that the media doesn't have an agenda, that they're not complicit in one way or another with whatever may be, come on.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, it's a joke.

00:10:29.000 It's a joke.

00:10:31.000 And they're all funded.

00:10:33.000 I mean, the fact that the government was funding NPR is crazy.

00:10:37.000 you can't have a completely biased, one-sided media organization that's funded by the government and taxpayers.

00:10:45.000 That's crazy.

00:10:46.000 And they went over all the amount of people that were on NPR that were Democrats, and it's 100%.

00:10:51.000 It's like, out of 87 people, it's 100%.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 Look at the New York Times.

00:10:54.000 I mean, none of that should be a surprise to anybody who's paying half of money.

00:10:54.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 But the New York Times, a privately funded company.

00:11:01.000 Right.

00:11:01.000 I mean, it's like NPR relied on tax money, and there's this giant outrage that the government's going to defund it.

00:11:08.000 Well, and what they're trying to do is they're trying to couch it and saying, look, you're taking away the only source of news for rural locations, for example.

00:11:16.000 Like, you've got some place up in North Dakota that has no other access, and so they rely on NPR for their news.

00:11:23.000 I don't know a lot of people up in North Dakota that say, I wonder what NPR is saying about this.

00:11:26.000 Well, not just that, but it's like, at the end of the day, the reality is the internet exists, and we don't need, you don't need to fund, publicly fund something that's clearly biased when the internet exists.

00:11:41.000 Right.

00:11:42.000 You can get whatever you want.

00:11:43.000 If you want to just absorb and consume only left-wing media, there's so much available.

00:11:48.000 Right.

00:11:48.000 You can go find it.

00:11:49.000 But our tax dollars should not be going to that.

00:11:51.000 No.

00:11:52.000 And to be fair, if anybody wants to know what the hell's going on in the news, they can just listen to the President's Daily Brief podcast, frankly.

00:11:52.000 No.

00:11:58.000 Oh, your podcast.

00:11:59.000 I'm good, right?

00:11:59.000 Yeah.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, yeah, that's some, yeah, boy, I just stuck that in there. 0.99

00:12:02.000 I can't find this fucking thing. 0.99

00:12:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:04.000 Did you find it?

00:12:05.000 As far as you can, let's hear it.

00:12:08.000 Show me a story that concerns you.

00:12:11.000 That's fantastic.

00:12:12.000 As far as accusations that were biased, I would stand up and say, please show me a story that concerns you, because we want to know and we want to bring that conversation back to our newsroom.

00:12:21.000 And then they have all these.

00:12:23.000 Fat phobia, it's racist past and present.

00:12:23.000 And then all these.

00:12:27.000 Some white people may choose thumbs up because it feels neutral, but some academics argue that opting out, what does that mean?

00:12:35.000 Thumbs up signals lacks awareness about white privilege akin to society associating whiteness with being raceless.

00:12:41.000 What?

00:12:42.000 God.

00:12:42.000 What does that mean?

00:12:43.000 How about how racism became a marketing tool for country music?

00:12:46.000 Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

00:12:49.000 right-wing conspiracy theory about eating bugs is about as racist as you think no no that's like literally this is and there's here's another great quote that she said if you look on the right side jamie where it says the truth is a distraction from getting things done that is such a fucking Orwellian thing to say click on that just so you can hear her say this because it's it's so bananas that someone would say this out loud and not think it's.

00:13:16.000 One of the most significant differences, critical for moving from polarization to productivity, is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth.

00:13:26.000 Oh, no.

00:13:27.000 They're working for something that's a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now.

00:13:34.000 And after seven years there, I actually believe that they're onto something that for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn't necessarily the best place to start.

00:13:47.000 In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might have become a bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done.

00:13:59.000 What?

00:14:00.000 Oh, my God.

00:14:01.000 That's fantastic.

00:14:03.000 How wild is that?

00:14:04.000 And you want government money.

00:14:05.000 That is such a wild thing to say.

00:14:08.000 You know, going for the truth as a journalist, no, no.

00:14:12.000 It's not important.

00:14:13.000 It's a distraction.

00:14:13.000 No, it's not important.

00:14:14.000 The truth is a distraction.

00:14:16.000 I hate that.

00:14:16.000 You know what I hate?

00:14:17.000 And you see that all the time. 1.00

00:14:18.000 And I don't know whether that's a TED Talk or not, but as soon as I see that type of forum where they're earnestly standing there and they've got their little mouthpiece there around there and they're talking and they're looking out into the distance and you think, oh, climb out of your own fucking ass, right? 1.00

00:14:33.000 It's just awful. 0.99

00:14:36.000 Yeah, I don't like any of those things.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 I don't like that little Bobby Brown microphone either.

00:14:42.000 Unless you're on a stage.

00:14:43.000 A Bobby Brown microphone.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, I remember.

00:14:44.000 We used to sing with that?

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 Step by take.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:48.000 Sorry.

00:14:49.000 Step on your line.

00:14:50.000 I'll join in for the chorus.

00:14:51.000 I don't like those little microphones. 1.00

00:14:53.000 Hold a microphone like a real fucking human. 1.00

00:14:57.000 That's a madness. 1.00

00:15:00.000 That video clip is madness.

00:15:02.000 That's a piece of madness.

00:15:03.000 That's a crazy thing to say.

00:15:06.000 The truth gets in the way.

00:15:07.000 I will say that the Epstein, the Epstein situation is going to be so disappointing to so many people now because I have this theory that nothing ever gets done in Washington, D.C., right?

00:15:22.000 Investigations go to die there.

00:15:24.000 Nothing ever happens.

00:15:25.000 There's never any real consequences of any nature.

00:15:27.000 And we've got all sorts of things happening right now, right?

00:15:29.000 So the Epstein case is just one of them.

00:15:32.000 But right now, you've got the Dems focused on Epstein because, you know, again, they see a good opportunity here to go after Trump, regardless of who else is in the files, right?

00:15:43.000 And the Dems, I think, were worried for quite some time and didn't pursue it because, you know, years back they were thinking, okay, Clinton's going to be embarrassed.

00:15:49.000 We don't want that.

00:15:51.000 So, again, my point would be just release everything.

00:15:54.000 I don't understand how, if you just look at the way that they handle this logistically, whoever thought, because the mob wants to eat, right?

00:16:03.000 And they've been throwing red meat to the mob about Epstein files now for years.

00:16:07.000 It's part of how they got elected.

00:16:08.000 Right.

00:16:09.000 And so whoever in their communications group or in their strategic thinking arena in the administration thought, you know, that we can get away with just saying there's nothing to see here, they should be fired, right?

00:16:21.000 Because there's no way you can satisfy this mob.

00:16:24.000 And now the mob is oddly bipartisan because it's got the Dems and it's got part of the base of Trump in there. 1.00

00:16:30.000 And they're all screaming to have this, goddammit, just release this shit. 0.99

00:16:34.000 Otherwise, this is going to be around Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Well, that's what's crazy.

00:16:39.000 They did release more Martin Luther King documents documents, which is really crazy.

00:16:44.000 Like, why are you holding secrets about the murder of one of the most beloved historical figures of all time from 1968?

00:16:55.000 Part of that.

00:16:55.000 And you just released it?

00:16:57.000 Yeah, part of that's a family request.

00:16:58.000 The family has asked in the past on a number of occasions, they really don't want some of this because some of it, look, some of it's salacious about Martin Luther King, which doesn't take away from everything that he did, right, as a leader of a cause and a movement.

00:17:13.000 But some of it is extraterrestrial affairs.

00:17:17.000 So there's been some push to be concerned about that.

00:17:20.000 But yeah, now do the Epstein files.

00:17:21.000 Well, they'll do it in the same amount of time, 56 years from now.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, just like they did with him. 0.97

00:17:27.000 It's 56 fucking years later they released this stuff. 0.88

00:17:31.000 And we're still not any closer to, I mean, again, I don't want to appear down that rabbit hole, but we're still not any closer with Martin Luther King. 0.99

00:17:38.000 Again, not a conspiracy guy except today, apparently, but there's shit there. 0.95

00:17:42.000 Well, you've said multiple times that if there's one that you think looks really bad, it's that one. 0.98

00:17:48.000 It's that one.

00:17:49.000 But going back to, I know I'm bouncing around here, but going back to the Epstein thing, I don't understand how they handled this so poorly, right?

00:17:56.000 For Pam Bondi to come out and talk about the files and all my stuff.

00:18:00.000 And then within a blink of an eye, they come out with this bullshit Sunday night memo saying there's nothing to see. 0.62

00:18:06.000 How could they just lack of coordination? 0.99

00:18:08.000 Yeah, I do.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, I think it's a good thing.

00:18:10.000 I think a messaging problem is always kind of a key element of the Trump administration, whether it's this one or not.

00:18:16.000 And now, look, that's not a, I'm not knocking a lot of the policies.

00:18:19.000 I like a lot of the policies that come out of this administration, this one and the previous, the first administration.

00:18:24.000 But I'm just saying, a hallmark of a Trump administration is the ability to have a self-inflicted wound, shoot yourself in the foot because of messaging usually.

00:18:36.000 So I think they've done it again.

00:18:38.000 And I don't see how they walk this back.

00:18:40.000 They're trying to, I think, with this interview with Ghillaine Maxwell to say, look, we're trying.

00:18:44.000 We're talking to her.

00:18:46.000 But how does Pam Bondi say we have thousands of hours of footage?

00:18:50.000 And then Cash Patel says we don't have anything that you're looking for.

00:18:55.000 And then Tim Dylan said he has lunch with J.D. Vance.

00:18:58.000 And J.D. Vance says that 10,000 hours is commercial pornography.

00:19:04.000 Right.

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 You think this freak show of Epstein wasn't like, it didn't have hidden cameras or wasn't taped and shit? 0.99

00:19:11.000 100%. 0.99

00:19:12.000 100%.

00:19:13.000 Well, that was the thing about that house.

00:19:14.000 That house they had in New York City, which is, by the way, for sale.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, nobody wants to buy it.

00:19:18.000 Oh, really?

00:19:20.000 You want to buy Epstein's house?

00:19:21.000 Do the cameras convey?

00:19:22.000 Well, this is the thing.

00:19:23.000 I mean, you got to gut the walls. 0.99

00:19:25.000 How are you going to know what the fuck is in there? 0.99

00:19:27.000 Imagine you're walking around your house naked and you think that the CIA has got, or your organization. 0.99

00:19:33.000 Or whoever it is.

00:19:34.000 To be fair, they just have a lot of hours of videotape of me walking around naked.

00:19:37.000 I'm sure.

00:19:38.000 But Mossad, whoever it is that was involved in this intelligence gathering, I mean, I'm just guessing.

00:19:43.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:19:44.000 But there's fucking pinhole cameras all over that house. 0.99

00:19:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:48.000 Maybe they took a start from that perception, right?

00:19:50.000 Because, again, if anything else, you're just being naive if you think, no, there's nothing.

00:19:54.000 Again, you got to tam it down to the bare beams.

00:19:58.000 You got to strip the wall board off. 0.98

00:20:00.000 You got to fucking every baseboard, you got to pull everything. 0.99

00:20:05.000 Who fucking knows what's in that house? 0.99

00:20:07.000 We had a situation in Moscow one time where we were building, it was the new embassy, the U.S. embassy in Moscow, right? 0.98

00:20:15.000 And for some reason, part of the deal was to allow Russian contractors to work on the construction of this. 0.99

00:20:22.000 What the fuck? 0.96

00:20:23.000 But it's a government thing, and so you can imagine to your point, there's not a lot of coordination. 1.00

00:20:29.000 So the Russian contractors are thinking, oh, this is great.

00:20:32.000 We're helping to construct the U.S. embassy.

00:20:35.000 They know there's going to be sensitive areas within there, the station, for the agency and other areas.

00:20:41.000 Anyway, at a certain point, they're just about finished with construction.

00:20:45.000 And just by, not by happenstance, I mean, there were efforts to try to examine what the Russians were doing, right?

00:20:54.000 So the security side of things, they were concerned about the fact that the Russians were working on it.

00:20:59.000 You know, you had the State Department and others that were like, no, it's a good idea.

00:21:01.000 You know, it helps with diplomacy.

00:21:03.000 So the security guys were doing things.

00:21:05.000 They were x-raying, you know, parts of materials that were coming in for the construction.

00:21:10.000 Apparently, at one point, what was going on was the Russians were installing listening devices inside the rebar of the construction process.

00:21:21.000 And apparently, at one point, one of the wires on one of these communications devices that was stuck in there had broken.

00:21:30.000 And so they soldered it.

00:21:31.000 The Russians did. 0.99

00:21:32.000 They soldered it with aluminum.

00:21:33.000 And that showed up when they were x-raying that particular large bit of material that they were going to install.

00:21:41.000 And that was the way that they found out. 0.99

00:21:43.000 And they said, what the fuck? 1.00

00:21:44.000 Then they had to tear the entire goddamn thing down. 1.00

00:21:47.000 I forget it. 0.98

00:21:47.000 I think it was two or three different floors of this embassy. 0.98

00:21:49.000 They had to remove, bit by bit, shipped it back to the States to examine fully.

00:21:55.000 And it was just loaded with listening devices by the Russians, right?

00:21:58.000 So it's going to be the same.

00:22:00.000 Long story short, it's the same at Epstein's place.

00:22:03.000 You've got to tear it down.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:05.000 It's a nice house, too.

00:22:06.000 And it's like right on the park.

00:22:08.000 And I was like, I wonder why that's still for sale?

00:22:10.000 And that's it.

00:22:11.000 What are they asking for?

00:22:12.000 I think it's like 60 or 70 million.

00:22:14.000 Oh, I'm not sure.

00:22:16.000 It's pretty dope.

00:22:17.000 2021 for 51 million. 1.00

00:22:19.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:22:20.000 But it's for sale now, though, right? 0.99

00:22:22.000 That I didn't see.

00:22:23.000 I'm pretty sure it's for sale right now.

00:22:24.000 I wonder if it gets a premium because it's Epstein's place.

00:22:27.000 You're not like a celebrity premium for a home.

00:22:30.000 I wonder if that's the case. 1.00

00:22:31.000 You'd have to be a fucking complete psycho to want to live in that guy's house. 1.00

00:22:36.000 Same guy's going to buy Diddy Spot. 1.00

00:22:40.000 Yeah, I don't know what that. 1.00

00:22:41.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:22:42.000 God. 1.00

00:22:43.000 So you've got the Epstein thing going on.

00:22:46.000 Like, how does that get resolved?

00:22:48.000 Like, if you're the administration, you're looking at this puzzle and you're trying to figure out how to make this a PR win.

00:22:48.000 This is the question.

00:22:56.000 Too late for that. 0.99

00:22:58.000 What the fuck can you do at this point? 0.99

00:23:00.000 Is it for sale? 0.99

00:23:01.000 65 mil two years ago, it says. 0.99

00:23:03.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:23:04.000 Is it not for sale right now? 0.99

00:23:05.000 Not according to Zillow.

00:23:07.000 Zero bedrooms, only one bath.

00:23:08.000 That's not a very nice place.

00:23:10.000 For sale. 1.00

00:23:12.000 It's just one big fuck hall. 1.00

00:23:15.000 It's just, yeah, we call it the playroom. 1.00

00:23:18.000 This is the house.

00:23:19.000 Oh, my God.

00:23:20.000 It looks like a studio.

00:23:21.000 This is it.

00:23:22.000 65 million bucks in Manhattan. 0.88

00:23:24.000 What the hell?

00:23:25.000 The wild thing is, though, it's like right on the street.

00:23:27.000 Like, anybody can come to your door and just knock on your door, like walking by.

00:23:31.000 Yeah.

00:23:31.000 Prince.

00:23:32.000 It's weird.

00:23:32.000 Living there is weird.

00:23:33.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 Look at that.

00:23:36.000 Meanwhile, no one can explain where he got the money.

00:23:39.000 No one can explain why he got so rich.

00:23:41.000 You know, and Eric Weinstein, who is like a legit financial guy, said he talked to him.

00:23:46.000 He had a meeting with him once.

00:23:47.000 He's like, it was really clear that he's a construct.

00:23:50.000 He's like, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:23:51.000 He doesn't know anything.

00:23:53.000 That's not for sale right now?

00:23:54.000 That didn't say it was.

00:23:55.000 It's listed on Zillow, but not for sale.

00:23:57.000 It's like everything's still on Zillow, kind of.

00:24:00.000 Oh, like it was for sale.

00:24:02.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 Maybe there's another service that's because sometimes Zillow doesn't have all the stuff because someone I know was looking at it.

00:24:09.000 Yeah, maybe it's not cheap old houses.

00:24:11.000 That's a good site.

00:24:12.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 It's a bargain.

00:24:15.000 It's a fixed output, though.

00:24:16.000 Yeah.

00:24:17.000 But like you'd have to go through that house.

00:24:19.000 You'd have to hire like the top of the food chain security experts to go and they would probably recommend you take that house apart.

00:24:26.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 I mean, you did, you'd, you could do a, it's totally a sweep of the thing, and, you know, but that's not going to guarantee, right?

00:24:35.000 You really have to pull the walls down and look because I, again, maybe I'm wrong.

00:24:42.000 There's never say never, but I can't imagine that a psycho like Epstein wasn't enjoying videoing some of the activity that was going on.

00:24:52.000 So, yeah, anyway.

00:24:54.000 So what do you think from your perspective?

00:24:57.000 What do you think that was all about?

00:24:59.000 Who do you think was involved in that?

00:25:01.000 Do you think it was the Mossad?

00:25:02.000 Do you think it was some rogue intelligence agency in America?

00:25:07.000 Was it a coordinated effort?

00:25:09.000 You know what?

00:25:10.000 I know there's a lot of talk about, did he have some sort of Intel connection?

00:25:17.000 From my perspective, it's complete speculation.

00:25:19.000 But I will say, from an operational perspective, I have no idea.

00:25:22.000 Was it Massachusetts?

00:25:23.000 Was it anybody?

00:25:24.000 Who knows?

00:25:25.000 But from an operational perspective, if you see a guy like this who's super connected and is, and all the way back to, what, 2008 was like his first trial, right?

00:25:36.000 So he's had a long history of these problems.

00:25:39.000 But if you know that he's kind of engaged in a variety of things, as an example, if I'm Chinese Intel, right? 0.71

00:25:48.000 And I just read the goddamn entertainment news and there's these rumors and allegations of high-level people flying off to his island.

00:25:56.000 I'm going to think, that's interesting because potentially if I could get an accessed source there, if I can get somebody inside that operation, whether it's Ghelain Maxwell, whether it's Epstein himself, whether it's somebody who's just on the outskirts of it, maybe I'll start picking up some pretty interesting, leverageable information on people that maybe I want to influence. 0.92

00:26:15.000 And it's so funny to me that it always comes down to like carnal needs and carnal desires.

00:26:23.000 It's always sex because these guys, when you get to like this Bill Gates level and Bill Clinton level, you can't just go pick up gals at the bar.

00:26:35.000 So if you're a super famous super freak and you like chasing skirts, but you can't do it.

00:26:42.000 Like, what do you do?

00:26:43.000 Well, you do what he did, right?

00:26:44.000 Which is you get somebody to procure for you, which apparently was primarily Maxwell's job.

00:26:49.000 And she's out there and she was described usually as his girlfriend, but she was clearly operating as his pimp or whatever the female version of a pimp is. 0.65

00:26:59.000 Yeah, curator.

00:27:00.000 Curator, yes, a curator.

00:27:02.000 And so she's out there doing that.

00:27:04.000 But look, again, I can't speak to the rumors about him working for one Intel agency or another, but I will say if I'm working for an Intel agency and I see something like that, yeah, I might find that of interest.

00:27:20.000 And then I would definitely go after somebody to see what's going on.

00:27:24.000 If for no other reason, then, you know, again, maybe it's an opportunity there.

00:27:29.000 Well, it's the easiest connect the dots puzzle of all time.

00:27:31.000 You got rich, powerful people and hot chicks and probably drugs and cameras.

00:27:37.000 And I tell you, the Russians love nothing better than the truth, the reality is in terms of recruiting an asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is tough, right?

00:27:51.000 That window starts closing immediately, right, in terms of their operational usefulness, right?

00:27:56.000 Because there's a lot of issues there.

00:28:00.000 You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation.

00:28:03.000 At some point, that's going to go south on you.

00:28:06.000 It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological reasons, right?

00:28:09.000 Or even something as straightforward as they need the money because their kid's sick, or whatever it may be.

00:28:14.000 So blackmails.

00:28:15.000 But having said that, look, the Russians in particular love that.

00:28:19.000 And Chinese intel, they'll do whatever works from their perspective. 0.99

00:28:27.000 You know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's bullshit. 0.92

00:28:29.000 The agency tries, blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because it always leads to a problem. 0.97

00:28:39.000 And sometimes those problems can be very, very bad.

00:28:44.000 In what way?

00:28:44.000 What do you mean?

00:28:45.000 Well, you know, the asset will turn on you, right?

00:28:47.000 Next thing you know, you know, you've got an agent working now, a double agent working for the other side, right? 0.97

00:28:54.000 Because they're so fucked over by the fact that they've been blackmailed. 1.00

00:28:58.000 And at some point, they lose their shit. 1.00

00:28:59.000 They decide to roll for the other side. 1.00

00:29:01.000 But aren't you constantly monitoring them and looking at their phone?

00:29:06.000 No, there's only so much you can do, right, in terms of maintaining, particularly with a hard target, particularly with an asset who's in a difficult or challenging environment, you know, Chris, and you've got limited access to them, whatever it may be.

00:29:20.000 So you're really relying on clandestine communications.

00:29:23.000 You don't have a lot of face-to-face meetings.

00:29:25.000 And at some point, you never know when things are heading south.

00:29:28.000 And then the next thing you know, look, so that's the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail.

00:29:36.000 Has it ever been done?

00:29:37.000 Well, sure, yeah.

00:29:38.000 I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been done.

00:29:39.000 Of course.

00:29:40.000 But some services go to it much quicker than others do.

00:29:44.000 And which services are you going to do?

00:29:46.000 Well, again, the Russians are primary users of something like that.

00:29:49.000 Because they've got a shotgun approach.

00:29:51.000 Israelis have been known to do that in the honeypot operations that they'll do and other things. 0.99

00:29:55.000 But the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks. 0.99

00:29:58.000 It's very much a shotgun approach. 1.00

00:30:01.000 And, you know, honestly, sometimes that can work. 0.97

00:30:05.000 Wasn't that kind of, if you thought about this island, if you're bringing award-winning scientists, like famous people, politicians, world leaders, all to one place, you're basically throwing as much shit against the wall as you can.

00:30:20.000 And then you have all this stuff on all these different people, and they know it.

00:30:24.000 And so then you just kind of like, wasn't there like some CEO that had to step down because he wound up giving Epstein, it was found out that he gave Epstein like $150 million that they couldn't explain why?

00:30:35.000 Wow.

00:30:36.000 Wasn't that the case, Jamie?

00:30:38.000 So it's one of those things where there's obviously value in having all these people on your side.

00:30:45.000 But when you do get all this information on these people, like what are they trying to accomplish with it?

00:30:50.000 This is the question.

00:30:52.000 Are they trying to get support for Apollo CEO to step down after firm finds more payments to Jeffrey Epstein?

00:30:59.000 $158 million.

00:31:01.000 He paid the convicted sex offender $158 million.

00:31:06.000 Can you scroll down a little bit, Jamie?

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 He's planning to step down as Chief.

00:31:14.000 I've advised the Apollo board that I will retire as CEO before my 70th birthday in July, remain as chairman.

00:31:20.000 No, he's going to remain as a chairman.

00:31:22.000 New York Times detailed at least $75 million in payments and found that Mr. Black had paid Epstein $158 million in a five-year period ending in 2017.

00:31:33.000 He also lent Mr. Epstein more than $30 million, only $10 million of which he was paid back.

00:31:39.000 So that's a guy that they got something on here.

00:31:41.000 I love this.

00:31:43.000 Leon viewed Epstein as a confirmed bachelor with eclectic tastes.

00:31:49.000 This was after his 2008 guilty plea.

00:31:51.000 Yeah.

00:31:52.000 Wow.

00:31:55.000 Mr. Epstein's advice was worth perhaps $2 billion in tax savings to Mr. Black, according to the report.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:02.000 What did that mean?

00:32:02.000 Right.

00:32:03.000 But this is, again, this is what Weinstein said.

00:32:06.000 Eric said that this guy is not good.

00:32:11.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:32:12.000 He wasn't a good financial advisor.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I think part of it is you can say, okay, why was he collecting people around him?

00:32:19.000 Why was he doing it?

00:32:20.000 Was he keeping a file?

00:32:21.000 You still have to figure out what that file looks like.

00:32:24.000 Part of it could have been initially self-preservation.

00:32:28.000 He's engaged in all sorts of activity.

00:32:30.000 He gets a few people into it.

00:32:31.000 Then suddenly he doesn't look so bad.

00:32:34.000 And he's kind of protecting himself because now I'm surrounded by people who also have to keep that secret.

00:32:40.000 But then the question becomes: at what point is he or somebody in his little tight circle there?

00:32:46.000 Are they approached by anybody who's interested in some of these folks? 0.98

00:32:49.000 But we don't know because we don't know who the fuck's in these files.

00:32:53.000 Or if the files even exist. 0.80

00:32:55.000 If the files even exist.

00:32:56.000 And apparently, you know, there's nothing in there, according to Bam Bondi.

00:32:59.000 And Cash Patel.

00:33:01.000 The whole thing's nuts.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 And then, you know, I have Bongino and Cash Patel saying he definitely killed himself.

00:33:06.000 Like, what?

00:33:08.000 Yeah.

00:33:09.000 What?

00:33:10.000 Okay.

00:33:10.000 This just the level of convenience.

00:33:13.000 It's so convenient that the guards were asleep.

00:33:16.000 So convenient that the cameras didn't work.

00:33:19.000 So convenient that years later you have a recording of the outside of the cell, but a minute is missing from it.

00:33:25.000 Three minutes.

00:33:26.000 Three minutes?

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, they found out it was like almost three minutes was missing.

00:33:29.000 Two minutes, like 53 minutes.

00:33:30.000 It's like the missing Watergate tape.

00:33:32.000 Oh, I thought it was a minute.

00:33:32.000 It just started.

00:33:33.000 It started off as a minute, and then people kept looking at the metadata and metadata.

00:33:33.000 It did.

00:33:36.000 They're like, okay, it was saved this many times.

00:33:39.000 And it was actually up to three minutes missing.

00:33:41.000 God. 0.99

00:33:42.000 That's plenty of time to kill somebody. 0.99

00:33:44.000 Three minutes is more than enough time. 0.99

00:33:45.000 Oh, three minutes, you could get a whole bunch of people killed by then.

00:33:48.000 You saw that guy that was his cellmate, too, right?

00:33:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:52.000 Guy is a fucking gigantic human being. 1.00

00:33:56.000 A huge guy who was a mass murderer, who had killed multiple people, a bad cop who was built like a brick fucking shithouse. 1.00

00:34:04.000 The kind of guy that you could really easily get to strangle somebody. 1.00

00:34:08.000 It would take him. 1.00

00:34:09.000 I could kill him in 30 seconds. 1.00

00:34:12.000 This fucking giant dude could do it easy. 1.00

00:34:14.000 Metadata from Raw Epstein. 1.00

00:34:16.000 No, thanks.

00:34:17.000 Metadata from Raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and 53 seconds were removed from one of the two stitched together clips.

00:34:26.000 The cut starts off at the missing minute.

00:34:29.000 Wow.

00:34:30.000 Weird.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, shocker.

00:34:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:32.000 So a guy like Dyke decides, yeah, he's going to off himself.

00:34:36.000 Again.

00:34:37.000 But here's the thing, it's like these guys that are all involved in this are still, they've been around for a long time, and they have this mentality that existed before the internet, where you could just kind of put stuff out there, and you wouldn't have all these psycho-sleuths out there that are going to go over everything with a fine-tooth comb, especially guys who are tech wizards who can look at the metadata and who can figure this kind of stuff out. 0.99

00:35:01.000 Well, shit died a lot quicker. 0.98

00:35:02.000 So something would happen. 1.00

00:35:02.000 You're right. 1.00

00:35:04.000 And look, we still have ADHD, right, collectively as a nation, right?

00:35:08.000 And I think maybe that's what they're, you know, some people are saying, look, they've called the recess on Capitol Hill because they figure by the time they come back in September, everybody will have moved on from this, right?

00:35:08.000 I mean, things move on.

00:35:17.000 I think they're wrong.

00:35:18.000 I don't think this is.

00:35:19.000 Again, this feels like and just looks like one of those handful of conspiracies.

00:35:26.000 Again, you go to JFK or whomever, that's just going to hang around.

00:35:29.000 This is a line in the sand.

00:35:30.000 This one's a line in the sand.

00:35:32.000 Because this is one where there's a lot of stuff about, you know, when we thought Trump was going to come in and a lot of things are going to be resolved.

00:35:41.000 I'm going to drain the swamp.

00:35:42.000 I'm going to figure everything out.

00:35:43.000 And when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody had been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that.

00:35:52.000 Well, you would have thought that.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, I hope not.

00:35:55.000 Oh, it's my wife.

00:35:57.000 Should I answer?

00:35:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 Silent buddy.

00:35:59.000 You know, it was on silent, but it still goes.

00:36:01.000 How does that happen?

00:36:02.000 It literally is on silent.

00:36:05.000 Are you sure?

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 No, I'm positive because it's got a little thing up the top that says silent.

00:36:09.000 And my phone is.

00:36:12.000 You're friends with me.

00:36:13.000 Well, they don't trust you anymore.

00:36:15.000 They did call me this morning.

00:36:16.000 What are you going to talk about?

00:36:18.000 I don't know.

00:36:19.000 Do they ever talk to you about that?

00:36:21.000 Do they ever have questions about your appearances here?

00:36:23.000 No, no.

00:36:24.000 In fact, and I'm in the building on occasion, and we're actually working on a show that's going to be a great TV show based on this amazing museum that's inside agency headquarters.

00:36:35.000 But nobody ever says that.

00:36:37.000 We have a really nice relationship.

00:36:39.000 They don't tell me what to say.

00:36:41.000 If I go on TV to talk about something, they just like, you know, it's not like they're going to call up and say, well, here's our view on this.

00:36:47.000 They trust you.

00:36:48.000 Yeah, they trust me.

00:36:49.000 I'm not going to open my app and talk sources and methods.

00:36:51.000 And at the same time, I'm just going to try to just talk from an operational perspective.

00:36:56.000 But yeah, so that was my wife, which reminds me, it's my boy Muggsy's birthday today.

00:37:02.000 Happy birthday, Muggsy. 0.55

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 Thank you very much.

00:37:06.000 With a thing like this, what is the general feeling about people that you talk to that are still in the agency or people that are still involved in the government?

00:37:14.000 Like, how are they feeling about this?

00:37:16.000 Because the general public is outraged, right?

00:37:18.000 Yeah.

00:37:18.000 Do the people inside, are they frustrated?

00:37:21.000 Like people that wanted this stuff to be exposed?

00:37:24.000 Yeah, you know, it's funny because with the agency, it's not like the Bureau. 0.97

00:37:27.000 The agency, I think most people, honestly, don't really probably give a shit about the Epstein files. 0.77

00:37:34.000 They're more concerned now about this release from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about manipulating intelligence for the 2016 election and Russian collusion and all of that. 0.92

00:37:46.000 That speaks more to the agency than the Epstein files does, just from a, you know, whose responsibility is whose, right?

00:37:51.000 This Epstein thing is a DOJ, FBI issue.

00:37:55.000 I think if they're concerned about it, it's because of how it erodes trust in organizations, institutions, right?

00:38:03.000 And that's happened a lot.

00:38:06.000 So, you know, there's a lot of good people. 1.00

00:38:09.000 I know, again, every time I talk about the agency, people are like, fuck you, you're such a shill. 0.99

00:38:13.000 But there's a lot of good people doing very difficult work for the agency. 0.99

00:38:16.000 I believe that.

00:38:17.000 I believe that. 1.00

00:38:18.000 And so, you know, I think, if anything, they take it personally when people think, fuck the CIA. 0.99

00:38:24.000 You got to burn it down and start over again. 0.99

00:38:26.000 You know, like they said with the FBI as well.

00:38:28.000 I've talked about that many times. 0.99

00:38:29.000 Like, you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. 0.99

00:38:31.000 The world is filled with chaos. 1.00

00:38:32.000 Like, you need people that are paying attention to that shit, and they should be on your side. 1.00

00:38:36.000 They should be on the side of the American people, paying attention to threats. 1.00

00:38:40.000 If you'd think that not paying attention at all is going to do you any good when there's all these countries out there that are fucking plotting constantly, you're crazy. 1.00

00:38:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:50.000 You're living in a utopia.

00:38:51.000 You're living in a fake world.

00:38:53.000 The real world is filled with madness.

00:38:55.000 And you got to have people paying attention to it.

00:38:57.000 But I think that, you know, to answer that question, I think they're more focused on or interested in or, you know, looking at this issue of, you know, and it's surfaced again right at the same time as the Epstein files, right?

00:39:13.000 Now it's like sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the past couple of days.

00:39:16.000 Tulsi Gabbard comes out and says, I'm releasing these documents.

00:39:18.000 She releases these documents.

00:39:20.000 What do you think about all that?

00:39:21.000 Like, so this is the Accusation.

00:39:23.000 They're throwing around the word treason.

00:39:26.000 They're saying that Obama knew that Russia did not meddle in the election, did not have any impact in the election, but yet promoted this idea.

00:39:35.000 And then there's been some incredible clips of all these different news reporters, CNN and MSNBC, just saying over and over and over again, clear evidence of Russian collusion.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 And you got Hillary Clinton saying, you know, there's an air of illegitimacy around Trump's victory from 2016 because of this.

00:39:54.000 I mean, she was very clear about it.

00:39:56.000 And Adams.

00:39:57.000 And many others.

00:39:58.000 The noose is tightening on Trump.

00:40:01.000 It's all going to come out. 0.92

00:40:02.000 He's an agent of Russia. 0.85

00:40:03.000 Adam Schiff coming out on camera numerous times saying, you know, I can't tell you what I've seen, but I've seen things that's a lot more than circumstantial evidence about this collusion.

00:40:12.000 So, yeah, they but again, it's much more complex.

00:40:17.000 It's much more complex than what folks tend to hear just in like a two and a half or three minute news segment, right?

00:40:17.000 It's always the same thing.

00:40:25.000 So the Democrats want you to think there's nothing to see here in these documents.

00:40:29.000 How could you possibly spend time doing this?

00:40:31.000 You're just trying to distract from the Epstein files.

00:40:35.000 And the Republicans are saying, Obama committed treason, right?

00:40:39.000 The reality is, as it oftentimes is, is somewhere in that middle, right?

00:40:46.000 There's a lot of conflating of issues here.

00:40:49.000 So nobody is questioning, Republicans or Democrats, nobody's questioning that the Russians meddled in the election, just like they did in the previous one, just like they did in this last one.

00:41:01.000 They've been meddling since World War II, right?

00:41:03.000 Since the end of World War II.

00:41:05.000 They've always had an interest in influencing U.S. politics.

00:41:09.000 Now, when you say meddled, do you mean like social media bots?

00:41:13.000 Do you mean like influencing politicians?

00:41:15.000 Like, what do you mean by meddling?

00:41:16.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you know, in the early days, what were they doing?

00:41:21.000 In the early days, they would pay off trade union representatives, right, to push a certain line, to, you know, to push for a softer tone, much like the Chinese do now, push for a softer tone against the Soviet Union, right? 0.63

00:41:34.000 Or during World War II, to push for isolationism, keep the U.S. out of the war, right?

00:41:40.000 Before the Nazis turned on the Soviet Union and then they tended to need us. 0.55

00:41:44.000 Or they would pay journalists to write articles pushing a particular point of view.

00:41:50.000 And so there were those things.

00:41:52.000 Now, social media meddling is a lot easier, right?

00:41:54.000 It's a lot cheaper.

00:41:55.000 For sure they do that.

00:41:56.000 Yeah, for sure they do that.

00:41:58.000 And for sure they did that in 2016.

00:42:00.000 And nobody's questioning that, right?

00:42:00.000 Absolutely.

00:42:03.000 What's happening is that once again, there's a bit of a messaging problem from the Trump administration. 0.55

00:42:09.000 Trump administration, at the end of the day, is saying what was bullshit was this Russia collusion angle, right?

00:42:18.000 Was the idea that, you know, this is complicated to explain, and I'm not doing a very good job of it, but they're saying, yes, there was meddling, but you pushed a story, meaning Brennan and Comey and, you know, all the others that were involved in this, and now going up to the top with Obama,

00:42:35.000 saying you took what was an Intel Community Assessment, ICA, because everything has an acronym, that said there was no indication of Russian efforts to push or influence in a particular direction the election.

00:42:56.000 And most of that initial reporting was on election infrastructure.

00:43:02.000 So there was a fairly significant bit there that said the Russians weren't able to hack into election machines and actually alter vote counts.

00:43:10.000 So they said we have seen no evidence of that.

00:43:14.000 And so you could argue that in part, the Trump administration is having a hard time explaining, much like I am, that the problem here wasn't that there was anybody saying there's no meddling.

00:43:28.000 There's meddling.

00:43:29.000 They're just saying that you, at a certain point, around about December 9th, I think it was, you had a meeting where Obama was sitting in there with Comey and Andrew McCabe and a variety of others.

00:43:39.000 And the president himself requested a different intelligence community assessment, which is a little unusual for a president to say, I'd like you to do an ICA on a particular thing.

00:43:51.000 Can you elaborate on that?

00:43:52.000 So they were telling him what?

00:43:54.000 Well, they were telling him we don't see that Russian meddling impacted the election, basically.

00:44:03.000 The Dems are saying, well, that's just about the electronic infrastructure, about the voting machines, right?

00:44:09.000 In reality, the ICA was also, that instruction, the President's Daily Brief and the writing that had been done, the analysis had been done up to that point, was saying, we haven't seen anything that the Russian meddling influenced the outcome of the election.

00:44:23.000 Well, then, shortly, and then they squashed that particular piece, right?

00:44:28.000 They said, let's shelve that.

00:44:29.000 And that's what a lot of the emails that Tulsi Gabbard released show.

00:44:35.000 All this agonizing. 0.86

00:44:36.000 It's amazing anything shit gets done in the government when you read these emails going back and forth between James Clapper at the DNI and other places. 0.94

00:44:42.000 Yeah, you sent me some of that stuff. 0.70

00:44:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:44.000 Yeah, the analysts and others.

00:44:45.000 And they're all saying, okay, well, what kind of tone do we give it?

00:44:48.000 What do we say about this?

00:44:50.000 And you can also see in there that they're saying, we don't think the steel dossier is credible.

00:44:54.000 You know, the two senior Russian analysts, right, at the agency were telling John Brennan at the time, if you put the dossier in there as a piece of information into this assessment, you're compromising the credibility of the whole thing because we don't believe it.

00:45:09.000 And this is December, right?

00:45:11.000 And Brennan instructed, and it's in writing, instructed them to go ahead and do it, right?

00:45:16.000 Because it basically he liked the narrative of the steel dossier.

00:45:24.000 And so he chose that over the analytical process, right?

00:45:31.000 Over the discipline that you need to corroborate information that's going to go to a high-level Intel assessment.

00:45:40.000 So, you know, if anybody's in the crosshairs right now, it's probably John Brennan, right, in terms of, because he went up on Capitol Hill at some point and said that, you know, the steel dossier didn't form an important point of, you know, wasn't in the document, wasn't in the ICA.

00:45:56.000 The ICA is now out there.

00:45:57.000 And sure enough, it was not only in the Annex, it was in the body of the report, which gives it much more credibility.

00:46:04.000 So, yeah, so he, you know, I'm not a lawyer, but I think he should be concerned a little bit about where that might go.

00:46:13.000 But Obama reportedly, and it's in email traffic, you know, requested a different ICA.

00:46:20.000 And so shortly thereafter, they produced a request.

00:46:26.000 I forget what the exact wording is.

00:46:27.000 Because that's the crazy thing.

00:46:28.000 If you have a bunch of experts that give you an assessment, this is the facts, this is how it went down, you're like, I don't like those facts.

00:46:35.000 Well, I don't want to say that.

00:46:36.000 I don't think He said I don't like the facts.

00:46:38.000 And that's where this is going to be a problem.

00:46:39.000 Anybody who thinks Obama is going to go to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I think, again, much like Pam Bondi, you know, with her treating of the Epstein files, which was ridiculous, Tulsi Gabbard has gotten out over her skis.

00:46:50.000 Treasonous conspiracy.

00:46:51.000 Is that what she said?

00:46:52.000 That's what she said.

00:46:53.000 It's not going to happen.

00:46:54.000 Anybody who thinks Obama is going to, forget about it.

00:46:57.000 You'll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this.

00:47:01.000 Again, I'm very cynical about where investigations go.

00:47:03.000 Well, isn't this also based on the Supreme Court's justification of everything that Trump did while he was in office?

00:47:09.000 So you can't try them for things they do when they're in office.

00:47:12.000 Immunity, for acting under the authority as a president.

00:47:19.000 And it's also very nuanced, right?

00:47:20.000 He can sit in there.

00:47:21.000 He's perfectly got the right to sit in a meeting and say, okay, well, I tell you what, let's sit on this, right?

00:47:28.000 and James Clapper and the others agreed, yeah, we're going to take this document and we're going to set it aside that we all worked on.

00:47:33.000 Now we want to restructure it focused on, you know, the outcome of the election and the Russian meddling and where this went and how they...

00:47:44.000 And it's nuanced and he can and never get in trouble because, yeah, fine, you've got the right to do that.

00:47:49.000 I mean, it's not illegal by any means.

00:47:52.000 But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a desire to drive this thing in a certain direction, right?

00:48:04.000 And so there is no doubt in my mind that, A, first of all, using the steel dossier in there was just horseshit, right? 0.97

00:48:12.000 Because that thing, there hasn't been any allegation in that steel dossier that's been verifiable.

00:48:19.000 And they knew that.

00:48:21.000 So they went, and they remember, they used that steel dossier in part to then go to FISA courts and get warrants.

00:48:26.000 So that's another issue that I think from a legal perspective, again, not a lawyer, but I think some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information, knowing, right, based on kind of what we're seeing from the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard.

00:48:41.000 But again, you can see, by virtue of how difficult I'm trying to explain this, it's much more complex than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these guys bad.

00:48:54.000 There's layers here that I think need to be examined. 0.57

00:48:57.000 And I think that at the end of the day, you're not really going to get, much like every fucking everything else that happens in D.C., you're not going to get a lot of satisfaction on this one.

00:49:08.000 But I do think, I'm convinced that, yeah, they drove this narrative shortly after, into January, when they released the new ICA, then suddenly leaks to the press, and that's when the Russia collusion story happened, right?

00:49:21.000 And that's the, you know, that's the, that's the thing that they should be focused on, right? 0.99

00:49:27.000 They're losing the message because they're throwing shit out there. 0.97

00:49:31.000 There's a lot of detail, and people get bored. 0.98

00:49:34.000 And, you know, so I think that's a problem they're going to have here trying to push this thing forward.

00:49:40.000 And I do think also that Tulsi Gabbard should have been a little bit more circumspect in the way she explained this, right, and how she described the actions.

00:49:48.000 Because I think there were some people who are culpable in terms of going after this narrative and pushing this Russia collusion story that then wasted a couple of years and, you know, God knows how much money on investigations and impeachment hearings and all the rest of it.

00:50:03.000 Why do you think she chose to frame it that way?

00:50:05.000 Do you think she was instructed to do that or she was guided to do that or encouraged to do that?

00:50:10.000 Because if it's not warranted, if you don't believe it's warranted based on the evidence that you've looked at, like she's the director of national intelligence.

00:50:21.000 Well, I think she's part of it is the realization that, look, I mean, you put that information out there.

00:50:26.000 I think it would have been more appropriate if she'd released all the documentation, said, here's, and lay out in a very good, like almost like a PowerPoint presentation, make it very simple for the press, because the press isn't inclined to pursue this because the press were complicit, right?

00:50:41.000 So you're trying to say, this is what these people did, and you helped them.

00:50:45.000 Now, what we want is for you, meaning the media, to uncover all of this and report on it.

00:50:50.000 They're not going to, they're fucking not going to, they were winning awards, journalistic awards for their coverage of the Russia collusion story.

00:50:56.000 So the idea that they're going to somehow now say, yeah, oh, that was a problem. 0.92

00:51:00.000 So I think they should have maybe just made this more factual-based, stayed away from the, you know, the sort of the hyperbolic statements about treason and all the rest of it, and then tried to explain it to the American public in a way that they can digest a little bit better.

00:51:15.000 But when you throw out things like treasonous conspiracy, once again, much like with the Epstein thing, you're creating this kind of howling mob that's going to expect something.

00:51:24.000 And I just don't know that they're going to get it.

00:51:26.000 Right.

00:51:27.000 So do you think that it's possible that she was encouraged to do this because this kind of takes away some of the heat off of the Epstein thing?

00:51:36.000 I'm sure that was a thought process in there somewhere.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, I think that's a reasonable assumption.

00:51:39.000 Possibly.

00:51:41.000 Look, it's an important issue, right? 0.57

00:51:43.000 If you have the Intel community or you have the White House deciding to themselves, look, we know this information is kind of bullshit, but it certainly serves a narrative, which is we want to delegitimize the new president that's coming in because we can't stand him, then that's a really, really serious problem that needs to be examined.

00:52:05.000 It's also so short-sighted because do you not know that that information is eventually going to come out and that's going to compromise the confidence that people have in anything that the intelligence agencies put forth after that?

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 Well, I think a lot of, you know, part of what was going on was the expectation that Hillary Clinton was going to win, right?

00:52:26.000 So like with the Steele dossier, try to, you know, dig up leverageable information or dirt on Trump.

00:52:33.000 You know, I think they were all under the assumption, well, Hillary Clinton's going to win.

00:52:35.000 It doesn't really matter what we do right now because she's going to cover for us, right?

00:52:39.000 And, you know, I don't think they ever expected Trump to win.

00:52:42.000 So then suddenly they've got to shift course a little bit and think, okay, all right, well, now that didn't work.

00:52:47.000 Now what?

00:52:48.000 Well, let's say that we've got this document over here talking about Russian meddling.

00:52:54.000 Is it that much of a push to kind of say that we believe there might have been collusion?

00:52:58.000 And the media ran with it, right?

00:53:00.000 They didn't have to do much.

00:53:01.000 They ran with it for three years.

00:53:02.000 For three years, yeah.

00:53:03.000 Three years, hardcore, all the time, every time they talked about Trump.

00:53:06.000 Yeah.

00:53:07.000 Which is crazy.

00:53:08.000 Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're the biggest Trump hater in the world, I understand.

00:53:13.000 understand this, that that is dangerous.

00:53:16.000 It's dangerous to have the media in lockstep with the government who's saying something that's not true.

00:53:22.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 Yeah.

00:53:23.000 I mean, and they scream about, you know, threats to democracy all the time.

00:53:27.000 Let's just be a little bit more self-aware.

00:53:28.000 Realize, you know, what that looked like.

00:53:31.000 You can't, you know, people were just bullshitting about evidence that they had or that they saw.

00:53:36.000 But the Democrats.

00:53:37.000 They're not saying anything's a threat to democracy is wild when they haven't had a primary since 2012.

00:53:43.000 That's wild.

00:53:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:44.000 That's really wild.

00:53:46.000 I mean, they kicked Bernie out.

00:53:49.000 They made sure RFK Jr. wasn't in.

00:53:52.000 And then when it came time for Kamala to run, no primary at all.

00:53:56.000 They just put her in position.

00:53:58.000 That's wild.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, they didn't know what else to do.

00:54:01.000 And, by the way, there's so much going on right now.

00:54:06.000 Today, speaking of Kamala and speak about Biden, but today, what's his name?

00:54:13.000 The chief of staff, the former chief of staff for Biden, I think he was only there for a couple of years, Ron Klain was up on Capitol Hill to talk because they're holding these interviews up on Capitol Hill to try to figure out what the hell was going on, right?

00:54:27.000 At what point did people decide they're going to cover up the mental condition of Joe Biden?

00:54:31.000 And that's another.

00:54:32.000 Look, I mean, and then they were all pleading the fifth.

00:54:34.000 They were all pleading the fifth.

00:54:35.000 Kevin O'Connor, the White House doctor, pled the fifth.

00:54:40.000 Senior advisor to Joe Biden, what's his name, Bernal?

00:54:43.000 Andrew Bernal, pled the fifth, right?

00:54:47.000 You know, and Ron Claint apparently stayed up there for a couple hours talking, right?

00:54:52.000 But, you know, again, he wasn't there for the last couple years of the administration, I think, but he was there for the debate prep, right?

00:54:58.000 And he's come out publicly and said, "I was shocked at his condition." So, you know, people...

00:55:03.000 I think they set him up for failure in that debate.

00:55:10.000 Why would they agree to a debate at 9 p.m. when you got a guy who's really old and kind of broken down?

00:55:17.000 Why would you do that?

00:55:18.000 Television timing.

00:55:20.000 Who knows?

00:55:20.000 And it seemed like...

00:55:25.000 Yeah, Hunter did.

00:55:26.000 Hunter did.

00:55:27.000 That fantastic interview that Hunter just did with, I forget his name, Andrew Callahan or something like that.

00:55:33.000 Yeah, he referenced, now he's walking it back saying, you know, I wasn't meaning that he was on Ambien during the debate.

00:55:38.000 I'm just saying, you know, they had him on Ambien because he was travel schedule.

00:55:43.000 The guy was at Camp David and resting in Delaware for 10 days prior to the debate.

00:55:50.000 So, yeah.

00:55:51.000 I don't know.

00:55:52.000 Jesus.

00:55:54.000 What a mess.

00:55:55.000 I think they set him up.

00:55:56.000 I think they wanted him out, and this is the way to do it.

00:55:59.000 Get him in the debate.

00:56:00.000 Don't give him his medicine.

00:56:01.000 Excuse me.

00:56:02.000 Don't give him the proper medication to keep him up and peppy and let him out there all confused.

00:56:07.000 And apparently he had a cold at the time, too.

00:56:09.000 But if they were going to do that, wouldn't you think that they would, I don't know, have a better plan?

00:56:17.000 A plan B?

00:56:18.000 No, they didn't have a plan.

00:56:19.000 And I think the Biden administration, the people didn't want him to step down.

00:56:24.000 There's people inside the organization that didn't want him to step down, particularly supposedly Jill.

00:56:30.000 Jill did not want him to step down.

00:56:32.000 But then there's the cancer thing.

00:56:34.000 Like, how do they not know that he has cancer?

00:56:37.000 Stage four.

00:56:38.000 Yeah.

00:56:39.000 Which is crazy.

00:56:40.000 Like, that's years of developing.

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:45.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 I just think if there was a plan, if there was a nefarious plan to have him step down, I think they thought he would get through it.

00:56:55.000 I think they did.

00:56:57.000 He might have if he performed the way he performed in the first debate.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:57:04.000 It seems to me that they were caught in the headlights at the point where he did so poorly. 1.00

00:57:12.000 Yeah, I've done shit. 0.99

00:57:13.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:57:14.000 What the fuck is going on? 1.00

00:57:14.000 Jesus Christ, what the fuck? 1.00

00:57:17.000 It's the ambient. 1.00

00:57:18.000 It's starting to kick in.

00:57:20.000 Have you ever taken that stuff?

00:57:21.000 No.

00:57:22.000 No. 0.51

00:57:23.000 It scares the shit out of me.

00:57:24.000 You've never?

00:57:24.000 No.

00:57:25.000 No.

00:57:25.000 My friend Kevin took it, and he got up in the middle of the night, cooked a meal, went to bed, and didn't know he cooked the meal.

00:57:33.000 So he went back and saw the plates in the kitchen, thought someone broke into his house and cooked.

00:57:39.000 Like, yeah, that's not good.

00:57:40.000 No, no.

00:57:42.000 I've never taken that.

00:57:43.000 Have you taken Xanax?

00:57:44.000 No, neither have I. Yeah.

00:57:44.000 No.

00:57:46.000 That stuff's scary. 0.88

00:57:48.000 That's what fucked Jordan Peterson up. 0.80

00:57:50.000 That stuff's really hard to kick. 0.64

00:57:52.000 Oh.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 Benzodiazpine is one of the hardest things to kick.

00:57:58.000 It's one of the things that if you get off a cold turkey, it can kill you.

00:58:02.000 Good God.

00:58:03.000 Yeah.

00:58:03.000 Really?

00:58:03.000 Yeah, and they put everybody on it.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say.

00:58:06.000 It seems like it's readily available.

00:58:08.000 As is Adderall.

00:58:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:10.000 Readily available and fucking super bad for you. 0.96

00:58:13.000 Although, during the, what was it, during the pandemic, you couldn't get Adderall. 0.95

00:58:17.000 I remember that being an issue, right?

00:58:19.000 I remember writing stories about that.

00:58:20.000 Make it overseas?

00:58:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:22.000 As they do with most of our pharmaceuticals, including what we've been talking about.

00:58:25.000 And so then people probably bought black market Adderall, which probably has fentanyl in it, which probably contributed to a lot of deaths.

00:58:32.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.000 I got this voice now.

00:58:34.000 I sound like Kim Carnes, you know.

00:58:36.000 Who?

00:58:37.000 Betty Davis eyes. 0.78

00:58:38.000 Kim Carnes?

00:58:39.000 It's a very sultry voice I've got going on here for a second.

00:58:41.000 I forgot about that song.

00:58:42.000 Yeah, well, I suspect most people have.

00:58:46.000 Time waits for no one.

00:58:47.000 But I think, yeah, so the Biden, let's call it a cover-up.

00:58:56.000 That's, again, it's an example of how people are not more upset about that, right?

00:59:05.000 I mean, again, with the idea that we've got ADHD and everybody's moving on, but you would imagine that that story, if none other, right?

00:59:16.000 Because it's not quite as complicated as the Intel issue or even as the Epstein files.

00:59:21.000 It's pretty straightforward.

00:59:23.000 People hiding the condition of the leader of the free world.

00:59:26.000 So anyway, it's just a thought.

00:59:29.000 I'm surprised that it's gone away.

00:59:30.000 Well, then there's the Autopen as well.

00:59:33.000 That's another wild thing.

00:59:34.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 Because so many of these people that were pardoned were pardoned by Autopen.

00:59:42.000 And so you have to, it begs the question, like, how was that negotiated?

00:59:46.000 Like, who was involved in that?

00:59:47.000 Who made those decisions?

00:59:49.000 What was their motivation?

00:59:50.000 Were they compensated?

00:59:53.000 And look, he says the former president Biden says he was advised on all of this.

00:59:58.000 He was in on all of these.

00:59:59.000 And the auto-pen was primarily used for sort of rote pardons, collective pardons where they're pardoning for an action.

01:00:12.000 And so you have a number of people included in that that you're giving pardons to.

01:00:16.000 But all of this, whether it's that, whether it's any of the other things we've been talking about, at the end of the day, it's no wonder.

01:00:23.000 Look, people's confidence level in politicians and government institutions and the media is at an all-time low.

01:00:33.000 And I think it's a really dangerous thing, but I don't see how you walk the dog back on that.

01:00:39.000 How do you do that?

01:00:40.000 How do you suddenly create more trust in any of those things?

01:00:44.000 Aaron Trevor Bravo, well, I think a lot of people thought that draining the swamp would create trust.

01:00:50.000 The idea of Trump coming into office, we had four terrible years under Biden.

01:00:54.000 Trump's going to come in and clean things up.

01:00:55.000 Everything's going to make sense now.

01:00:57.000 But everything's just as chaotic, if not more, and just as confusing.

01:01:03.000 I mean, there's good things that are happening.

01:01:05.000 The closing of the border is clearly a good thing. 0.98

01:01:07.000 That was fucking scary and dangerous. 0.94

01:01:10.000 Yeah, no, look, from a policy perspective, look, the other day they had nine crossings, right? 0.99

01:01:18.000 Nine, right?

01:01:19.000 Compared to maybe 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 a day in the previous administration.

01:01:25.000 So that's a huge win.

01:01:27.000 And that's what they should be talking about.

01:01:28.000 And they should be talking about the trade deals, right?

01:01:32.000 They've got a good trade deal with Japan.

01:01:33.000 They've got a good trade deal with Indonesia.

01:01:35.000 They've got a good trade deal with Vietnam.

01:01:36.000 They've signed one with the UK.

01:01:38.000 They're getting ready for the European Union.

01:01:40.000 There's things that they should be talking about. 0.86

01:01:43.000 And instead, once again, we're fucking consumed with what we've been discussing. 0.69

01:01:48.000 Epstein and the intel manipulation. 0.95

01:01:50.000 I mean, you think Biden's condition and Obama treason.

01:01:55.000 Yeah, so it's really, it's disappointing.

01:01:59.000 But again, I don't know how I'm not sure where I'm going with this other than the fact that it's very depressing if you think about where our focus is right now.

01:02:13.000 There's a lot of flashpoints around the world, a lot of real serious crises and threats to national security and concerns.

01:02:21.000 And the White House can't seem to get a focus on things.

01:02:29.000 But yeah, the border thing is a great win.

01:02:32.000 That's a very, from a national security issue, that's a terrific win.

01:02:37.000 The fact that it was open for so long is so insane to think that anybody would think that would be a good idea unless you wanted chaos.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, that is always discussed as like, was it intentional?

01:02:50.000 I don't see how it's not intentional.

01:02:53.000 Because we can see now after six months of the second Trump administration that you can fix the problem.

01:03:00.000 Very fixing.

01:03:00.000 They could have fixed it.

01:03:01.000 They could have done it.

01:03:02.000 And they chose not to.

01:03:04.000 So clearly there's a lot of people in the Dem party, in the Democratic Party that are fans of or believe in open borders.

01:03:13.000 But there's also the moving of the people to swing states and the fact that it changes the number of congressional seats regardless of whether or not someone's there legally or illegally.

01:03:23.000 Once they do a sentence on how many people live there, it raises the number of congressional seats that's available.

01:03:29.000 Which is crazy.

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 Well, all that's so wild that it's so transparent.

01:03:35.000 I mean, look at Europe.

01:03:37.000 I know that's kind of a, you know, people talk about this, but look at France, look at the UK.

01:03:41.000 I mean, much smaller environments.

01:03:44.000 And you can see what happens when you have massive migration.

01:03:47.000 Right.

01:03:48.000 And it's, and look, I'm not against immigration.

01:03:51.000 I'm just saying it should be legal.

01:03:53.000 You should know who's coming across your border.

01:03:55.000 You should have security.

01:03:57.000 You can't pay for everybody, right?

01:03:59.000 I mean, so opening up your borders and say, come on in, and we're going to provide you with whatever Mom Dani in New York is providing, new free grocery stores and free bus and free childcare and everything's going to be free.

01:04:14.000 And they're going to tax businesses.

01:04:16.000 That's what he said.

01:04:17.000 He said, and if you're wondering how I'm going to pay for this, I'm going to tax the rich. 0.98

01:04:20.000 You think like, oh, my God, Stalin, you've been going all the way back to, you know, communists have been talking that way for years, feeding the same bullshit lines to gormless sheep, where just now Mom Donnie's just talking to a new generation of sheep. 0.92

01:04:35.000 And, you know, he could well end up as the mayor. 0.89

01:04:39.000 Utopian perspectives are really attractive to young people because you see the way these older rich people have been running the world.

01:04:48.000 It's all corrupt.

01:04:49.000 They don't care. 1.00

01:04:49.000 They're all capitalists and monsters. 1.00

01:04:51.000 All they care about is money. 0.98

01:04:53.000 I don't have any money.

01:04:54.000 I want them to take the money away from the rich people and give it to the poor people and then everything will be fine.

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 It's like a common thought amongst young people.

01:05:02.000 I get it.

01:05:03.000 If you're a young person, you probably look at your parents.

01:05:05.000 If your parents have done okay, done well, and you're thinking, well, maybe I'm not going to be able to do that, right?

01:05:12.000 I mean, a lot of young folks now are saying, I can't buy a house.

01:05:14.000 How am I going to get a down payment for a house?

01:05:18.000 I'm drowning in school loans, which of course they took out.

01:05:22.000 But so I get the frustration in a sense.

01:05:25.000 And so I think, you know, Mamdani is doing again what a lot of slick socialists or communists in the past have done.

01:05:32.000 He's speaking to the masses and he's using all these platitudes. 0.79

01:05:36.000 And there will be an element that buys into it because they haven't seen how shitty it can be.

01:05:41.000 Well, it seems like a huge element bought into it.

01:05:43.000 He won the primary.

01:05:43.000 They won the primary, yeah.

01:05:45.000 So what happens now?

01:05:46.000 So Eric Adams is the current mayor.

01:05:49.000 So if this guy wins the primary, is Adams even, is it possible for him to run?

01:05:55.000 Like, how does it work now?

01:05:58.000 Well, I guess, I mean, he could run as a, he could run as an independent, which maybe is his intention.

01:06:06.000 Because he apparently is still running, right?

01:06:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:06:09.000 He plans on running.

01:06:10.000 Wasn't Cuomo also planning on running, or did he drop out of the run?

01:06:13.000 I believe he's still trying to run as well.

01:06:15.000 So he lost the primary, and I think people think that people are so horrified that Mondani's in that they think that maybe it's possible.

01:06:22.000 And then there's Curtis Sleewa. 1.00

01:06:24.000 He still wants to wear that stupid fucking hat. 1.00

01:06:27.000 Yeah, God bless Curtis Liwa. 1.00

01:06:28.000 He'll Take that fucking hat off. 1.00

01:06:29.000 Maybe he'd have a chance. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Yeah, at some point he's got to stop that.

01:06:32.000 But I think there's a good chance that if Eric Adams ran as an independent, maybe that's the plan.

01:06:41.000 And if Cuomo dropped out, I think if they split the vote, then I think Momdani wins.

01:06:45.000 But they're going to have to, and the Democrats, you know, nationwide seem to have some real concern over Momdani, right?

01:06:51.000 Because that's not the message they want to send at a time when they see sort of this cultural shift in America where we think, okay, we might be done with this whole woke issue, right? 0.99

01:07:01.000 And then they see Momdani out there slinging the bullshit, doubling down. 0.99

01:07:05.000 And you got Bernie Sanders backing him. 1.00

01:07:06.000 You got Jerry Nadler in New York backing him.

01:07:09.000 You got, obviously, AOC backing him.

01:07:13.000 So they rightly so, because what do they want to do?

01:07:15.000 They want to reclaim the White House, right?

01:07:17.000 And they want to reclaim the Senate.

01:07:19.000 They're not going to do it riding the backs of an avowed socialist who wants to reclaim this.

01:07:26.000 He's essentially a communist.

01:07:29.000 And he's, you know, he's, you know, again, you know, God bless the ideology of the youth, but, you know, people should do a little bit more research into his ideas and how they've worked elsewhere.

01:07:44.000 And maybe they will.

01:07:44.000 Right.

01:07:46.000 There's only one way to enforce those ideas, and that's with guns.

01:07:50.000 Yeah, that's how you get it.

01:07:54.000 Government grocery store.

01:07:55.000 Get the hell over there.

01:07:56.000 Yeah, government grocery stores and taking money away from the rich people.

01:08:00.000 How are you going to enforce that?

01:08:01.000 You need force.

01:08:03.000 Well, they're trying to.

01:08:03.000 I mean, look, California tried to, I think maybe they've even enacted it.

01:08:08.000 They've tried to figure out a way to tax people who are leaving the state.

01:08:14.000 Yeah, that was a thought that they had that I don't think is constitutional.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 They wanted to, I think it was five years.

01:08:20.000 So if you had left within me, I could get taxed for even though I've been out of there for five years.

01:08:27.000 But that's just, they're just so irresponsible with what they've done with the tax money.

01:08:33.000 They have some of the highest taxes in the country, and it's chaos.

01:08:37.000 And then they're also like upset that people want to film what's going on in the Palisades in Malibu. 0.99

01:08:43.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:08:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:44.000 Yeah.

01:08:44.000 I was there not too long ago and nothing's happening.

01:08:47.000 It's still a war zone.

01:08:49.000 You drive up towards Malibu and everything's just gutted.

01:08:53.000 And it's because you've got thousands and thousands of regulations in place that prevent the reconstruction.

01:09:00.000 Just trying to get a simple permit for something takes you forever.

01:09:04.000 It's going to be years.

01:09:05.000 Yeah.

01:09:05.000 I think it's going to be interesting because Gavin Newsome obviously is in sort of a soft campaign right now to set the table to run for president.

01:09:13.000 I mean, he's desperate.

01:09:14.000 He's like some kid who wants to be the class president.

01:09:16.000 Did you see him on Sean Ryan's podcast?

01:09:18.000 I did not.

01:09:19.000 I'm sorry I missed that one.

01:09:20.000 He's doing podcasts.

01:09:22.000 Wow.

01:09:22.000 It was a disaster.

01:09:23.000 Well, he's got his own podcast, right?

01:09:25.000 Allegedly.

01:09:26.000 Yeah.

01:09:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:28.000 So how did he do on Sean's?

01:09:30.000 Terrible.

01:09:31.000 Yeah, of course.

01:09:32.000 Terrible.

01:09:32.000 It was terrible.

01:09:34.000 I mean, there's only so much he can say.

01:09:36.000 Like, the record speaks for itself.

01:09:38.000 His record is terrible.

01:09:39.000 And that's the thing.

01:09:40.000 People are fleeing the state.

01:09:43.000 The disaster that came about because of the fire, the homeless situation is untenable.

01:09:48.000 It's all madness.

01:09:50.000 But look, if you look at the Democrat Party and you say, okay, so what does that mean, right?

01:09:54.000 Because right now they're flailing about, right?

01:09:57.000 They're doing this autopsy of what happened from this last election, even though they're not going to address the issue of Joe Biden and at what point did we know that he shouldn't be running.

01:10:07.000 They're going to leave that off the table.

01:10:09.000 But the purpose of the autopsy is essentially to try to figure out what's our next step?

01:10:13.000 Who's our next leader?

01:10:15.000 And they did a survey not that long ago, and they said, who's the top of the Democrat Party?

01:10:24.000 And the top three individuals were AOC, Kamala Harris, and Bernie Sanders.

01:10:31.000 And none of them got more than like a 10% of the total on the survey.

01:10:37.000 So when you've got those three as your option and you're trying to figure out how do you appeal more to a larger mass, they got an issue.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:10:50.000 It's not going to be Gavin Newsome.

01:10:51.000 It won't be Pete Boudiga.

01:10:53.000 They've got a solution.

01:10:53.000 Jamie, I just texted you something.

01:10:55.000 This is the solution.

01:10:56.000 The solution?

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:59.000 Here's a solution.

01:11:01.000 It's coming up.

01:11:03.000 I hope it's not Hillary.

01:11:04.000 Hillary.

01:11:10.000 Finally, a Democrat who could shine on Joe Rogan's show.

01:11:14.000 Hunter Biden is unrepentant by Helen Lewis.

01:11:18.000 Helen, take your medication. 0.82

01:11:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:11:21.000 He did the best ad for crack ever, though.

01:11:23.000 Yeah.

01:11:24.000 It was a great ad for crack.

01:11:25.000 It was not just an ad.

01:11:27.000 It was a cooking show. 1.00

01:11:30.000 Fat fucker taught American youth how to make crack. 1.00

01:11:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:35.000 I was astounded as he sat there.

01:11:37.000 Nobody, I mean, he loves crack more than anything in the world.

01:11:42.000 It sounded great.

01:11:43.000 He was romantically involved with crack.

01:11:45.000 He said it's safer than alcohol.

01:11:47.000 Yes.

01:11:48.000 Take that to the bank, kids. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:11:53.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:11:54.000 Talk about not learning from what happened during the crack epidemic ruined American cities. 1.00

01:12:01.000 Yeah, no.

01:12:03.000 Which reportedly was done by the agency, by the way.

01:12:06.000 Reportedly, yeah.

01:12:07.000 Again, conspiracy theories.

01:12:09.000 But yeah, I'm battling a summer cold, apparently.

01:12:14.000 It's probably the allergies.

01:12:15.000 There's so many allergies here in Austin.

01:12:17.000 Oh, God.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, that interview with how is it, apparently the family has no control over him, but how is it that they allow him to go and do podcasts or interviews of any sort, right?

01:12:30.000 They need to do an intervention.

01:12:32.000 And, you know, look, I hope he's clean.

01:12:34.000 I hope he's not.

01:12:35.000 He's in clean.

01:12:37.000 When he was talking about it, I mean, he said, I'm reluctant to explain this, but he was being honest about why it works and what's so euphoric about it.

01:12:44.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, it feeds into the Democrats have decided, apparently, that they need to be tougher, right?

01:12:49.000 Because after the last election, and so they would send Tim Waltz out there and, you know, Elmer Fudd and in his hunting gear to try to appeal to middle America.

01:13:00.000 And so I can see it, you know, and you see more Democrats getting out there and swearing because that makes them tougher.

01:13:08.000 So that interview with Hunter Biden, I can see, feeds into this idea that the Democrat strategists have is we've got to be more mainstream, right?

01:13:17.000 We've just got to be, which again is kind of in part why they're so concerned over Mamdani in New York City.

01:13:24.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 Well, they were trying for a long time to squash masculinity and frame it all as being toxic, and people rebelled against that in a huge way.

01:13:33.000 Eventually.

01:13:33.000 It took a while.

01:13:34.000 Well, a lot of young men in particularly went to the right because of that. 0.98

01:13:38.000 And a lot of young men that would ordinarily have probably voted Democrat if you were just fucking reasonable. 0.96

01:13:43.000 But you turned them into villains for no reason other than just being men. 0.95

01:13:47.000 And that was a narrative that people were really sick of.

01:13:50.000 And it's like the pendulum swings one way and the other way.

01:13:54.000 It always does.

01:13:55.000 It always has.

01:13:56.000 This is how we course correct.

01:13:59.000 We try to figure out our way through this world and people go one way too far and then they overcorrect going the other way and then we try to bring it back to the middle and it never really kind of goes there.

01:14:09.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:14:10.000 It is.

01:14:10.000 And that's been the problem for quite some time is it is.

01:14:13.000 It's like that pendulum.

01:14:15.000 You're over here and then instead of it like settling in the center, you're back over here.

01:14:21.000 And that happens every administration change, right?

01:14:23.000 So you get this knee-jerk reaction.

01:14:26.000 And from a legislative perspective, that's a real problem, right? 0.99

01:14:29.000 Because you really never do get shit done, right? 0.92

01:14:31.000 Because you're bouncing from extreme to extreme. 0.92

01:14:33.000 It's also a problem with this four-year term thing.

01:14:36.000 It's like every four years, we have a new person or the same person does it twice.

01:14:41.000 These are the options, the only options that you have.

01:14:43.000 So you have this terrible situation where you're always like shitting on the other side and there's no like, hey, this is the president now.

01:14:52.000 Let's all work together. 0.72

01:14:53.000 Yeah, what if you had a setup like Mexico?

01:14:57.000 Mexico has a presidency where you serve a six-year term and that's it.

01:15:01.000 One term, but it's six years.

01:15:01.000 You're done.

01:15:04.000 I don't know.

01:15:05.000 It's still the same thing.

01:15:06.000 It's still the same thing.

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:07.000 You know, it was like, these people fucked it up. 0.98

01:15:10.000 We're going to do a better job. 1.00

01:15:11.000 And then they get in and it's the same fucking thing. 0.99

01:15:13.000 Well, and also you get the self-interest. 0.99

01:15:16.000 Obviously, that's not rocket science.

01:15:18.000 But if you can be a senator for 46 years or however long.

01:15:22.000 Which is nuts.

01:15:23.000 Which is nuts.

01:15:24.000 And you can make hundreds of millions of dollars somehow or another.

01:15:27.000 And that's another thing.

01:15:27.000 Right.

01:15:28.000 I always wonder, how do people not, and again, maybe some intrepid investigative journalists, if there are any left, I mean, who wouldn't want to do a story about the wealth gains by politicians?

01:15:43.000 Just look at the past 10 years, right?

01:15:44.000 And say, and take them on both sides, right?

01:15:47.000 So you look at Chuck Schumer and AOC, and you look at on the other side, you look at Grassley, and you look at Mitch McConnell, whatever, right?

01:15:54.000 And you look at those. 0.99

01:15:55.000 And that would make a fascinating series if he just said, how the fuck did you make your money? 0.95

01:16:00.000 It's 100% both sides, too, which is so important because everybody wants to point to Pelosi, and Pelosi made a lot of money for sure. 0.98

01:16:08.000 But it's a lot of them.

01:16:09.000 It's a lot of them.

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 I don't handle any of our finances because I'm not smart enough.

01:16:16.000 But we do have a fund that tracks Pelosi, right?

01:16:20.000 There's a Pelosi tracker fund.

01:16:22.000 And it's done very well.

01:16:23.000 It's done very well. 0.98

01:16:24.000 And I'm always fascinated because I'm thinking, well, of course it does well because you're sitting up there on goddamn Capitol Hill. 0.94

01:16:30.000 You hear in these hearings, you hear about developments, right? 0.94

01:16:33.000 And it doesn't have to be about a particular company.

01:16:35.000 It could be about our particular dealings with a country and regulatory concerns with that country.

01:16:41.000 Or it could be about a sector and where we're going. 1.00

01:16:45.000 And you can, yes, of course you can use that information to your benefit unless you're a moron. 0.99

01:16:49.000 But it shouldn't be legal, right? 1.00

01:16:51.000 It shouldn't be legal.

01:16:51.000 No, no.

01:16:52.000 It's insider trading.

01:16:53.000 Like they put Martha Stewart away for insider trading.

01:16:53.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 So how about politicians?

01:16:59.000 Actually, they put her away for lying. 0.57

01:17:01.000 Did they?

01:17:01.000 Yeah, they didn't get her on insider trading.

01:17:03.000 They got her for lying.

01:17:04.000 Oh.

01:17:05.000 Because during the investigation, she didn't tell the truth about something.

01:17:08.000 But they didn't actually...

01:17:13.000 It's always the cover-up.

01:17:15.000 It's always the cover-up. 0.95

01:17:16.000 It's all just horseshit when someone like Nancy Pelosi is able to do it legally. 0.97

01:17:21.000 If you're able to make hundreds of millions of dollars legally through some way your salary is so low.

01:17:27.000 Most people who make, not that it's low, but most people who make a salary of, it's a great salary, but most people who make $170,000 a year might have $170,000 in the bank.

01:17:38.000 They won't have $200 million.

01:17:40.000 That's crazy.

01:17:41.000 And they'll argue that they're not going to be able to do a lot of it from speeches and from books.

01:17:45.000 I don't think you do.

01:17:46.000 I don't think you do.

01:17:47.000 You can track it.

01:17:48.000 You can see how much money she'd made in the stock market. 0.99

01:17:50.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:17:51.000 That would be a fascinating series if that's what you did, is if you did asset tracing and a financial review of modern-day politicians. 0.99

01:18:01.000 How did you make your goddamn money? 0.98

01:18:02.000 Also, why are you still doing it? 1.00

01:18:04.000 You're older than Biden.

01:18:06.000 She's older than Biden.

01:18:08.000 Chill out.

01:18:10.000 Go on a vacation.

01:18:11.000 It'll never happen.

01:18:12.000 It's not even about the money. 1.00

01:18:14.000 It's about the access, the power, the people who carry your bags and toady after you, and they love that shit. 1.00

01:18:21.000 So I get it. 1.00

01:18:22.000 I get what the attraction is.

01:18:24.000 I'm just saying that if we had any balls, we would have had enacted term limits quite some time ago.

01:18:32.000 Anyway.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, well, at the very least, they should block insider trade.

01:18:36.000 I'm sure you've seen that time when she was questioned about insider trading.

01:18:42.000 Well, we should be able to participate.

01:18:45.000 You're not participating, lady. 1.00

01:18:47.000 You're making hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:18:49.000 It's insane.

01:18:50.000 And this is not a partisan.

01:18:51.000 I agree with you 100%.

01:18:52.000 It's not a partisan issue.

01:18:54.000 Everybody gets up on there.

01:18:55.000 Yeah, if you look at the trades, if you look at it between the red and the blue, it's across the board.

01:19:01.000 They're all doing it.

01:19:02.000 I think it's like it lures them in.

01:19:05.000 I think once they get into office, and even if they have good intentions, they get lured in by a corrupt system, and then they play ball.

01:19:12.000 Yeah.

01:19:12.000 And then they get paid.

01:19:14.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 Well, and then you get a lifetime pension.

01:19:17.000 Yeah.

01:19:17.000 Which, again, makes no sense.

01:19:19.000 You know, how about you say, okay, fine, you're going up there on Capitol Hill.

01:19:24.000 You get your pension while you're up there.

01:19:26.000 Your pay is maybe similar to, I don't know, the military.

01:19:31.000 You're a congressman, maybe you get a major's pay.

01:19:33.000 I have no idea. 1.00

01:19:33.000 I'm just making that shit up. 1.00

01:19:34.000 But take the financial incentives and the excitement out of it, and maybe you get a different group of people who want to pursue that work. 0.99

01:19:44.000 And then they just go the hell back to wherever they came from and work a job.

01:19:48.000 But also, there's a problem that the campaigns are so ugly.

01:19:51.000 And we've agreed, sort of as a society, that that's how we do it.

01:19:56.000 And that these people are going to attack each other.

01:19:58.000 You know, I remember one of the things during the, when Biden was running, when Kamala Harris was saying that he was guilty of sexual assault.

01:20:09.000 Like, you remember that?

01:20:10.000 Yep.

01:20:11.000 And then afterwards, she gets interviewed.

01:20:14.000 I think it was by Colbert.

01:20:15.000 She's like, it was a debate.

01:20:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:18.000 It was a debate.

01:20:19.000 Like, imagine that.

01:20:20.000 It's a debate.

01:20:22.000 And so you're willing to say something in a debate that's not true?

01:20:25.000 Well, that's this policy.

01:20:30.000 I think it's partly just a disdain for the American voter and the belief that people will move on.

01:20:37.000 And they do.

01:20:38.000 Maybe that's, you know, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

01:20:40.000 People tend to forget pretty quickly.

01:20:44.000 We're overwhelmed by information.

01:20:46.000 We are constantly, consistently overwhelmed by the news cycle.

01:20:51.000 And it is almost impossible.

01:20:52.000 You have to have some sort of a Mike Ben style recall in your head where you can keep track of everything because it's just coming at you so fast and doge and Elon and this and that.

01:21:04.000 I had some guy ask me last night, do you think that the Elon Musk and Donald Trump thing was staged?

01:21:11.000 And I go, do you think it's staged?

01:21:13.000 He's like, absolutely.

01:21:14.000 I think it's all fake.

01:21:15.000 I go, do you think that they made an agreement that Elon would say that you're on the Epstein client list and that's why you won't release the file?

01:21:24.000 Do you think that Donald and Elon came to that agreement?

01:21:28.000 Just sitting around over a Diet Coke thing.

01:21:28.000 Yeah.

01:21:30.000 Yeah, they're all in on it.

01:21:32.000 They're all in on it. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Like, are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

01:21:35.000 What do you think about Musk's political party? 1.00

01:21:39.000 First of all, my wife told me you really can't name it the America Party.

01:21:44.000 It's not legal.

01:21:46.000 Really?

01:21:47.000 Yeah.

01:21:47.000 Why?

01:21:48.000 I don't know.

01:21:49.000 She told me I believed her.

01:21:51.000 Jamie will find out.

01:21:52.000 You didn't follow up.

01:21:53.000 You weren't interested.

01:21:54.000 We were eating dinner.

01:21:56.000 Thanks, honey.

01:21:56.000 We were eating dinner.

01:21:57.000 She goes, you know, you can't just call your party the America Party.

01:22:00.000 I go, really?

01:22:01.000 She goes, no, you can't.

01:22:02.000 You can't use the term America for your party.

01:22:05.000 Which makes sense. 1.00

01:22:06.000 No, I would think you couldn't because I'd be like, fuck you. 1.00

01:22:09.000 I'm the America Party. 1.00

01:22:10.000 It's the whole country.

01:22:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:13.000 Like, if you decide you're the America Party and I'm against the America Party, well, that sounds like I'm against America.

01:22:18.000 I guess, but you couldn't.

01:22:20.000 I'm calling it the America Party.

01:22:21.000 I'm going to trademark that name.

01:22:23.000 That was my problem with the Patriot Act. 0.99

01:22:25.000 You can't call it the Patriot Act, you motherfucker, because then if you go against it, you're against the Patriots. 1.00

01:22:29.000 Goddamn right. 1.00

01:22:30.000 That's right. 0.99

01:22:31.000 It's crazy.

01:22:32.000 The terrorists win.

01:22:33.000 Is it legal to call your party the America Party?

01:22:36.000 I'm looking into it.

01:22:38.000 It says, for example, additionally, New York state law has outlawed the use of words like independent, independence, America, and America as the names of political parties.

01:22:46.000 There you go.

01:22:46.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:22:47.000 So she's right.

01:22:47.000 Okay.

01:22:48.000 Yeah.

01:22:48.000 So listen.

01:22:49.000 Just in New York, though.

01:22:50.000 Got to come up with it.

01:22:51.000 Oh, just in New York.

01:22:52.000 That's what it sounds like.

01:22:53.000 So nationally, it's legal?

01:22:55.000 I'll bet it's out.

01:22:56.000 Yeah, if it's in New York, I'll bet it's not.

01:22:58.000 What does an independent call himself in New York then? 0.96

01:23:00.000 If you run as an independent and it says you can't.

01:23:02.000 Well, you can run as an independent.

01:23:03.000 You can't call your party the independent party.

01:23:06.000 It's all quite sus, isn't it?

01:23:08.000 Sus.

01:23:09.000 Isn't it a little sus?

01:23:09.000 Look at this.

01:23:10.000 That's what the kids call it.

01:23:12.000 Yeah, I know.

01:23:13.000 They call everything sus.

01:23:14.000 But it's, you know, like, what is he going to do with this party?

01:23:14.000 Likewise.

01:23:17.000 You're not going to get, you know, how's that going to work?

01:23:20.000 Yeah, I don't think this.

01:23:21.000 You know, as much as I don't, you know, I think there should be room.

01:23:26.000 I guess I should say it that way.

01:23:27.000 There should be room for another party.

01:23:29.000 100%.

01:23:30.000 But I don't think there's enough oxygen to do it.

01:23:34.000 Here it is.

01:23:35.000 The name America Party has been used by several different political parties in the United States, most famously as the official name of the Know-Nothings.

01:23:43.000 Know-Nothings is my favorite.

01:23:45.000 That's what you should call it.

01:23:47.000 Why doesn't he call it the X Party?

01:23:49.000 He likes the term X. A nativist group sometimes dubbed the America's Third Party that rose to prominence in the years leading up to the U.S. Civil War.

01:23:59.000 The Know-Nothings were during the Civil War.

01:24:01.000 That's crazy.

01:24:03.000 The name America Party is an attempt to brand the party as a force of patriotism and unity.

01:24:07.000 Yeah, okay.

01:24:07.000 That's what you're saying.

01:24:08.000 Okay.

01:24:09.000 As well as the names of an anti-Mormon party in Utah and the supporters of George Wallace.

01:24:15.000 Wow.

01:24:16.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:17.000 He's not a handsome man.

01:24:17.000 There he is.

01:24:18.000 Boy, he looks evil.

01:24:19.000 Yeah, he does.

01:24:19.000 Some people just look.

01:24:20.000 I'm not voting for you and your fucked up eyebrows, bro. 1.00

01:24:23.000 Some people just look like they are. 1.00

01:24:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:27.000 George Wallace.

01:24:28.000 I remember watching.

01:24:29.000 I mean, it was tiny, but I remember still to this day watching when he got shot at that rally that he was at.

01:24:36.000 Oh, that's right.

01:24:37.000 Put him in the wheelchair. 0.65

01:24:40.000 But, yeah, I don't know.

01:24:43.000 Again, I don't think there's room for a third party.

01:24:45.000 There should be, but I just don't see it happening.

01:24:49.000 We're too entrenched in the way that we do things.

01:24:52.000 And you start splitting the vote.

01:24:54.000 And I think maybe it's, who knows?

01:24:57.000 Maybe you get more chaos than we've currently got.

01:25:00.000 I mean, those two together, it's like, geez, I saw that coming.

01:25:00.000 Yeah.

01:25:04.000 I was like, this is not going to work out.

01:25:06.000 Yeah.

01:25:08.000 When his son was with him in the Oval Office and the son told him to shut up. 0.99

01:25:13.000 Don't drift these, shut up. 1.00

01:25:15.000 The little kid, don't drum this, shut up. 1.00

01:25:17.000 And he said, you're not the president. 0.99

01:25:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:21.000 What is that?

01:25:22.000 It actually lasted longer than I thought it would.

01:25:25.000 Well, it destroyed Elon.

01:25:27.000 Yeah.

01:25:27.000 Destroyed his company.

01:25:29.000 Destroyed Tesla.

01:25:30.000 I mean, and then on top of that, when people started putting swastikas on Teslas and fireball Teslas.

01:25:38.000 Yeah.

01:25:39.000 Madness.

01:25:40.000 Yeah.

01:25:40.000 Madness.

01:25:41.000 I mean, and then people were probably very reluctant to buy a Tesla Because they were worried. 0.98

01:25:46.000 Like, hey, if I buy this fucking thing and park it somewhere, someone's going to key it. 0.93

01:25:49.000 I know somebody who actually covered up the Tesla insignia on their car. 0.99

01:25:54.000 Bro, I was worried behind someone the other day on the highway, and they had a fucking thing on their car that said, I bought this before Elon went crazy. 0.99

01:26:02.000 God. 0.99

01:26:03.000 Like, oh, God.

01:26:05.000 You're conceding.

01:26:07.000 You're giving into the mob. 1.00

01:26:09.000 It's giving into the dumbest mob. 1.00

01:26:11.000 But there was an element also that was like, oh, you know, it's a legitimate form of protest, you know, what, to blow up a fucking Tesla dealership, right? 1.00

01:26:20.000 That's not blow up a charging station. 0.99

01:26:21.000 It's certainly not legitimate to destroy people's private property who are just paying a lease on a car that they probably had for three or four fucking years before any of this shit went down. 0.98

01:26:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:32.000 They do nuts.

01:26:33.000 But they do it.

01:26:33.000 If someone walks by and keys the car, right?

01:26:35.000 Keys the car at Tesla.

01:26:37.000 And you can just, A, I don't know why they all tend to look alike, but they do.

01:26:41.000 And they all look alike.

01:26:43.000 They're just like this.

01:26:45.000 This sense of self-righteousness.

01:26:47.000 Like, I deserve to do this because I'm in the right.

01:26:50.000 I'm on the side of good. 0.99

01:26:52.000 So therefore, I can do whatever the fuck I want. 1.00

01:26:55.000 Just mentally ill people. 1.00

01:26:57.000 And there's a lot of them in this country. 0.99

01:26:59.000 And unfortunately, you can weaponize them.

01:27:02.000 Yeah.

01:27:03.000 And we've also played into it, right?

01:27:04.000 I mean, so it's, you know, the U.S. Olympics, by the way, the U.S. Olympic Committee just said, you know, males will not be able to participate in female sports.

01:27:14.000 Shocking.

01:27:14.000 Shocker.

01:27:15.000 I had no idea that we had to actually say that out loud, but apparently we do.

01:27:18.000 Well, they're going to take that gold medal away from that dude who pretended he was a woman and won the boxing. 1.00

01:27:23.000 God, that was bizarre.

01:27:23.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 Fuck off, man. 1.00

01:27:27.000 So crazy. 1.00

01:27:28.000 And it's like, that's where this woke thing just hits the wall where people who have daughters and people are just like, hey, look, I want you to live your life and be whoever you want to be.

01:27:39.000 I really do.

01:27:40.000 I don't want to infringe upon your right to express yourself.

01:27:43.000 But at a certain point in time, when you impose this on other people and you fuck up their lives, and Vivek had a great term.

01:27:53.000 He was calling it the tyranny of the oppressed.

01:27:56.000 That the oppressed, people who are legitimately oppressed in a lot of ways, then they turn that on everybody else and they want everyone to concede to their demands.

01:28:07.000 And it's like, okay.

01:28:09.000 Yeah, it's that, you know, I'm the victim, so therefore I deserve that.

01:28:13.000 Therefore, we're going to throw society into a wood chipper.

01:28:16.000 Yeah.

01:28:16.000 I agree with you.

01:28:17.000 I want, yeah, again, I'm busy enough that I don't have to spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing.

01:28:24.000 At the same time, I don't need to play along with your imaginings.

01:28:30.000 And so I think that's where it started to, once it started to impact other people, you know, like a kid who loses a race because now suddenly she's racing against a dude.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:28:40.000 900 medals lost during this time.

01:28:43.000 Really?

01:28:44.000 900 medals that would have gone to biological females that were won by biological males because of this crazy ideology over the last few years.

01:28:44.000 Yes.

01:28:56.000 And think about how many girls lost out on scholarships. 1.00

01:28:59.000 Think about how many girls just like felt fucked over by the system where you've got a guy in the fucking locker room with his dick hanging out. 1.00

01:29:06.000 You're supposed to pretend that that's a woman. 1.00

01:29:08.000 It's crazy.

01:29:10.000 And God forbid you go against the idea.

01:29:12.000 And a handful of people did and spent a lot of time getting pilloried for it.

01:29:18.000 Riley Gaines.

01:29:19.000 Riley Gaines, yeah.

01:29:20.000 Good example.

01:29:21.000 You see people attacking her all the time online.

01:29:24.000 It's just wild.

01:29:25.000 I think it's dying down a little bit.

01:29:27.000 I think we hit that top, and then I think it's coming back down to where people are saying enough is enough.

01:29:33.000 Again, with the idea that, look, you want to do that?

01:29:35.000 You want to pretend that you want to believe that a dude can have a baby?

01:29:39.000 Fine, you do that.

01:29:40.000 I don't need to pretend with you.

01:29:43.000 I'm not going to infringe on your thinking that that's the case.

01:29:47.000 And yes, do you need some protections in place for people?

01:29:51.000 Of course you do.

01:29:52.000 But at a certain point, I kind of lost track. 0.98

01:29:55.000 It used to be that you had gay dudes and you had lesbians. 0.99

01:30:00.000 That was kind of it, right?

01:30:01.000 You had guys that like guys and you had girls that are like girls and you're fine.

01:30:05.000 We made progress in that regard where people that used to have to hide that, they don't have to hide that anymore.

01:30:10.000 It's pretty much accepted by society for the most part.

01:30:15.000 And then they're trying the same thing with this.

01:30:17.000 And it's like, no, this is a different thing.

01:30:19.000 And a lot of the gays, they don't want this in their group. 1.00

01:30:22.000 They're like, no, this is a different thing. 0.72

01:30:25.000 This is not your sexual orientation.

01:30:28.000 You're attracted to men.

01:30:29.000 This is an identity thing.

01:30:30.000 This is a totally different thing that you're dealing with.

01:30:33.000 And then you also have to factor in, as uncomfortable as this is for people, you have to factor in perverts who all of a sudden can just say, I'm a woman and wear a dress.

01:30:43.000 And now they can enter into women's spaces and you can't stop them. 1.00

01:30:47.000 And that's real, man. 0.83

01:30:49.000 That's not discounting actual trans people or discounting gay people or lesbians.

01:30:49.000 That's real.

01:30:54.000 It's not. 1.00

01:30:56.000 But you're opening the door for fucking sexual predators. 1.00

01:31:00.000 People who are out of their fucking minds, man. 1.00

01:31:03.000 And you also had, one of the things I never quite figured out was you also have the you have the parent who's like, they've got a three-year-old son who says, I'd like to play with the dolls. 1.00

01:31:13.000 And then suddenly the mother's the enabler, right? 0.81

01:31:15.000 They want to get them a hormone blocker.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, and you're thinking like, how about you just let the kid be a kid?

01:31:19.000 You know, maybe tomorrow they want to play football.

01:31:22.000 Maybe the next day they want to do interpretive dance.

01:31:24.000 Maybe the following day they want to play baseball. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Let the fucking kids grow up in a certain way without trying to impose this bizarreness on them. 0.99

01:31:33.000 Well, they do it because they want that kid to be whatever. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Whatever it is. 0.59

01:31:38.000 Well, they want him to be queer. 0.92

01:31:39.000 They want him to be trans.

01:31:41.000 For them, it makes them look more progressive. 1.00

01:31:43.000 And they have their kid like a fucking flag they plant in their lawn, and it's gross. 1.00

01:31:49.000 But there's a lot of these pathological monsters that happen to be parents. 1.00

01:31:53.000 They're just nuts. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:57.000 Anybody gets a license to be a parent.

01:31:58.000 It's like boat drivers. 0.97

01:32:00.000 The other day we were out on the lake in a boat and it was close to 4th of July and I realized, really, anybody, anybody can drive.

01:32:07.000 You don't even have to have a driver's license.

01:32:08.000 No, you don't have to do a breathalyzer.

01:32:10.000 I mean, you should, and we've got sheriffs out there trying to stop people from boating.

01:32:15.000 But they do it.

01:32:16.000 They do it all the time.

01:32:17.000 It freaks me out.

01:32:18.000 Yeah, it's bizarre because the same people would not say, I'm going to shotgun 12 cores and then drive my car.

01:32:27.000 But goddammit, they'll be happy to get behind that boat and then take off.

01:32:31.000 And so we've got our boys have started driving the boat on their own, taking their friends out and that sort of thing. 0.51

01:32:37.000 And it's actually more nerve-wracking when they head out on the lake than it is when they get in their car and drive somewhere because of just the craziness that goes on.

01:32:48.000 So, yeah, I watched one of our boys head off in the boat.

01:32:53.000 He had like, there were like three dudes and seven girls on there.

01:32:56.000 It was his dream, right?

01:32:58.000 He was heading off to the lake.

01:33:00.000 They were going to go cliff jumping and some surfing and everything.

01:33:02.000 And I watched him go and say, God bless you.

01:33:04.000 But I was inside. 0.96

01:33:05.000 I was so goddamn nervous. 0.89

01:33:07.000 Of course. 0.95

01:33:07.000 So anyway, they did fine. 0.95

01:33:10.000 People think they're invulnerable when they're young, too, which is also a problem.

01:33:13.000 You don't think anything's going to happen because nothing's happened yet.

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:17.000 You haven't had enough severe injuries where you go, oh, I'm vulnerable as shit. 1.00

01:33:23.000 This is dangerous. 1.00

01:33:24.000 Like people can die.

01:33:26.000 You need to see it.

01:33:27.000 They go bridge jumping.

01:33:28.000 They'll climb up to the top of a bridge and jump off.

01:33:31.000 And it's just like, oh, my God. 0.99

01:33:32.000 I know a girl who did that, and she's fucked for the rest of her life. 1.00

01:33:35.000 Her back was ruined. 1.00

01:33:36.000 She fell funny and hit her ass in the water and it destroyed her spine. 0.99

01:33:41.000 It's like, I mean, you get high up there. 0.99

01:33:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:33:45.000 It's like concrete.

01:33:46.000 And then if you over-rotate or you under-rotate or whatever.

01:33:49.000 But yeah, there's a balance, right?

01:33:52.000 Because with the boys in particular, you don't want to take away that risk-taking element, right?

01:33:59.000 You want them to take risk, right?

01:34:00.000 But so there's a fine line of saying, no, don't do that.

01:34:04.000 That's dangerous.

01:34:05.000 Whether they're doing that or they're going to the dirt track or whatever they're doing.

01:34:08.000 And you think, okay, how do you balance that out?

01:34:11.000 Be smart, but I don't want to stop you from taking risks, if that makes sense.

01:34:16.000 No, it does make sense.

01:34:17.000 Listen, you're talking to someone who spent the majority of my teenage years fighting with no health insurance.

01:34:25.000 So I'm talking from a position of not being one of the wisest people.

01:34:31.000 But I was never into jumping off of things.

01:34:34.000 I didn't want to ski.

01:34:35.000 I didn't want to do any of that because I knew how vulnerable I was.

01:34:39.000 Which is crazy.

01:34:40.000 Which is crazy because you're risking getting clocked every time you go out to bike.

01:34:45.000 Then I'm getting clocked in the head all the time in the gym. 0.64

01:34:48.000 Constantly getting kicked and punched. 0.87

01:34:50.000 God.

01:34:51.000 But I realized, hey, I don't want to ski.

01:34:53.000 I could ruin my knees.

01:34:59.000 I might fracture a rib there.

01:35:00.000 I don't want to do that.

01:35:02.000 I just wanted to take as few risks outside of this one risky thing as possible.

01:35:07.000 And I think a lot of kids don't have enough controlled risks. 0.98

01:35:12.000 So then they start wanting to jump dirt bikes and you wind up breaking every fucking bone of your body. 0.93

01:35:17.000 Yeah, our youngest boy, happy birthday, Muggsy, but he went over his bike wearing a helmet, very good helmet, still banged his head. 0.96

01:35:29.000 This was just a couple days ago.

01:35:30.000 So I'm on the road and I'm like, okay, keep him up.

01:35:33.000 Don't, you know, make sure he's good.

01:35:36.000 And so anyway, yeah.

01:35:38.000 But again, then when I talk to him, I don't want to say, well, you shouldn't have done that.

01:35:43.000 You want to say, okay, you're good?

01:35:46.000 Do you know what you did wrong?

01:35:47.000 And he's like, yeah, I didn't get the back wheel.

01:35:50.000 He's like, okay.

01:35:51.000 But anyway, that's parenting.

01:35:54.000 Yeah, you don't want to completely shelter your child, but you don't want them to expose to unnecessary risks.

01:36:00.000 But it's like, there's this like, there's this balance that you have to achieve.

01:36:04.000 It's really hard.

01:36:05.000 It's because you don't want a sheltered child that's scared to take any risks at all.

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:11.000 We're sending the oldest one off to university in a couple of weeks, going down to Ole Miss.

01:36:21.000 And yeah, you're right.

01:36:22.000 I mean, that's a big step, right?

01:36:24.000 So he's going down.

01:36:25.000 He's been down there a couple of times already.

01:36:26.000 He's met some of the folks down there.

01:36:28.000 He's had a good time.

01:36:30.000 Some of the guys taking him out to the bars.

01:36:34.000 And so at a certain point, you lose control of them, right?

01:36:38.000 And so all you can do up to a certain age is hope you've set the compass right.

01:36:42.000 Yeah, you have to set the compass right.

01:36:43.000 And at a certain point in time, you have to realize that's an individual human being that you don't have control over anymore.

01:36:48.000 And one of the worst things that parents do is they try to control their kids when they're in their 30s and 40s.

01:36:54.000 They still treat them like they're children.

01:36:55.000 Like you're just going to have a resentful person. 0.99

01:36:59.000 Like they don't want you to be the boss of them when they're 30 fucking years old, you know? 0.98

01:37:05.000 Or honestly, 20s. 0.99

01:37:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:37:08.000 I think they still, they want to know that there's a place they can go or there's someone they can talk to or advice they can get.

01:37:15.000 But yeah, at a certain point, you just, and I think, you know, who knows what, what that point is.

01:37:19.000 I mean, it's, it changes.

01:37:21.000 I think kids seem to be growing up a lot quicker now.

01:37:24.000 Well, it's because of the internet, right?

01:37:26.000 So much information comes their way.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, it's, and then we're, you know, we're at the precipice of artificial general superintelligence, which is going to bust out of its cage if it hasn't already.

01:37:40.000 I mean, there's real good arguments that it's already done it, and we're not aware of it yet because it hasn't assumed control of things.

01:37:48.000 It hasn't acted in a way.

01:37:50.000 It doesn't have a physical form where it can move around yet.

01:37:53.000 Right.

01:37:54.000 We're definitely moving in that direction.

01:37:55.000 I think we're probably already there.

01:37:57.000 We're just unaware of it, but I think people at the cutting edge, I think, but yeah, we went from a Rogan show that was done by AI to now you can't swing a dead cat on the internet without hitting Rogan babies, right?

01:38:11.000 Oh, those babies are hilarious. 1.00

01:38:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:12.000 Theo Vaughn is the best one.

01:38:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:14.000 Theo Vaughn's a great baby.

01:38:16.000 I will say, anytime, and I don't spend a lot of time digging through things like that, but anytime I see the baby episodes with you and Theo, I'm like, yeah, I got to watch this son of a bitch. 0.95

01:38:26.000 Then I send it to the boys. 0.97

01:38:27.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 Oh, God.

01:38:30.000 But there's no authorization.

01:38:32.000 You have no control.

01:38:33.000 Right.

01:38:34.000 No, there's no, it's just the Wild West right now.

01:38:38.000 And it's happening so fast.

01:38:40.000 You know, we had who was showing us The Skywalker thing.

01:38:46.000 Was it Joe DeRosa?

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:49.000 So my friend Joe DeRosa was showing us this.

01:38:53.000 They're doing Star Wars AI, like fan-created AI scenes of stuff that they wanted to happen.

01:39:01.000 And it looks better than the actual Star Wars.

01:39:04.000 And it's young Luke Skywalker.

01:39:06.000 It's Mark Hamill from like Star Wars 1.

01:39:11.000 Watch this.

01:39:11.000 Look at this.

01:39:12.000 Look how incredible this is.

01:39:14.000 And look at this.

01:39:15.000 That's AI.

01:39:17.000 I mean, this is nuts, man.

01:39:18.000 I mean, this is like better quality than the original Star Wars itself.

01:39:23.000 And it's his voice.

01:39:24.000 It's his face.

01:39:25.000 It's all perfectly synced.

01:39:27.000 It looks incredible.

01:39:28.000 Like, look at this.

01:39:29.000 Yeah, that's.

01:39:31.000 My company does some work for the entertainment industry, for the movie business.

01:39:36.000 And I was out there talking to one of the studios, it'll remain nameless, not that long ago.

01:39:41.000 And this is a massive issue for them.

01:39:43.000 Look, they're seeing full scripts out there, right, written by AI for some of their franchise movies and characters.

01:39:54.000 And they're seeing their animators, they're writers.

01:39:58.000 All these people are obviously worried and they're convinced that they're about to be made useless.

01:40:05.000 And they're right.

01:40:06.000 And they're right.

01:40:07.000 They're right.

01:40:08.000 Because they're finding just what you're looking at here.

01:40:11.000 They're finding, but there's places where they're dumping full-length scripts and pieces of movies out there.

01:40:18.000 And it's going to upend, much like whatever Netflix and the others did with the television market, it's going to upend the whole industry.

01:40:27.000 It's going to upend.

01:40:27.000 100%.

01:40:28.000 There's no way around it at this point.

01:40:30.000 If someone can make something like this, the Skywalker Stories thing, I mean, this is just a person doing this with an AI video generator.

01:40:39.000 And you just do it through prompts.

01:40:43.000 Or you say to yourself, okay, I want to write a scripted TV series.

01:40:48.000 What am I going to write about?

01:40:49.000 You spend 20 minutes feeding some ideas into whatever.

01:40:56.000 I forget what the, aside from ChatGPT, there's a bunch of them out there.

01:41:01.000 And it will feed back to you in short order the entire show map, right?

01:41:07.000 It'll give you all the characters.

01:41:08.000 It'll give you a character map.

01:41:10.000 It'll give you pitch lines.

01:41:11.000 It'll give you episode plots.

01:41:14.000 It's remarkable.

01:41:15.000 And it means all those people who work in Hollywood writing, right, or wherever they're based, writing shows or coming up with pilots.

01:41:24.000 And they're superfluous to the whole business now.

01:41:26.000 Yeah.

01:41:28.000 And not just that, it's also music.

01:41:30.000 You know, Drake had a song that was a hit Drake song that came out that wasn't him at all.

01:41:35.000 It was all done by AI.

01:41:37.000 And they could just kind of guess what people like.

01:41:40.000 And they could just formulate what the big hits were, what's similar, what's common, what are the phrases, what's catchy.

01:41:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:41:50.000 Give me the last six songs, the commonalities that made them successful.

01:41:54.000 Exactly.

01:41:55.000 Fine.

01:41:55.000 Give me that.

01:41:57.000 Is Drake still beefing with Kendrick Lamar?

01:41:59.000 Or is that over?

01:42:00.000 I can't keep thinking.

01:42:02.000 You had to back off of that.

01:42:03.000 Okay.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:42:05.000 That's the sort of question that you need to be asking.

01:42:07.000 Different people have different perspectives.

01:42:09.000 Some people think Drake won.

01:42:10.000 Some people think Kendrick won. 0.99

01:42:11.000 I don't really give a fuck, quite honestly. 0.99

01:42:15.000 I'm not a fan of those kind of beefs. 0.98

01:42:17.000 But they do make some good songs sometimes.

01:42:19.000 A beef does, you know, like Aether with Nas. 0.99

01:42:22.000 That was a good fucking song. 0.99

01:42:25.000 I was about to nod like I knew what the hell you were talking about. 1.00

01:42:27.000 You don't know that song.

01:42:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:42:29.000 Ether with Nas.

01:42:29.000 Yeah.

01:42:30.000 You don't know that song.

01:42:31.000 Young gravy, a little gravy.

01:42:33.000 There's a thing that's going to happen within our lifetime where all creativity is going to be suspect because you're not going to be able to know unless someone's doing something off the cuff, like live in front of you, you're not going to be able to know whether or not something's AI generated anymore.

01:42:52.000 Like they have AI generated stand-up comedy now that it's not great, but it's okay.

01:42:57.000 You know, where you have a guy on stage, the audience is fake, they're laughing.

01:43:02.000 What he's saying is comedic.

01:43:03.000 The timing is pretty similar to comedy.

01:43:06.000 God.

01:43:07.000 It's nuts, man.

01:43:08.000 And this is, by the way, impossible three years ago.

01:43:13.000 Probably impossible two years ago.

01:43:15.000 Probably impossible a year ago.

01:43:18.000 Now, ubiquitous.

01:43:20.000 It's everywhere.

01:43:21.000 So like, where does this go?

01:43:23.000 And what does five years from now look like?

01:43:25.000 We're just guessing.

01:43:26.000 Well, in terms of driving narratives or telling stories or getting people to think a certain way.

01:43:31.000 I mean, think about how simple that is now from a hostile element, right?

01:43:36.000 Like if I'm working Russian propaganda for the FSB, how easy is it now for me to create a clip of whatever, let's take a hot topic, right?

01:43:47.000 And suddenly you've created a clip where Trump is talking about being in the Epstein files or somebody around Biden's circle is talking about how they covered up his money.

01:43:59.000 People will see that.

01:44:00.000 They'll release it, right?

01:44:01.000 People will see it.

01:44:02.000 They're not going to necessarily question whether it's because that's not how people work, right? 0.98

01:44:06.000 They see shit on the internet and they go, oh, yeah, I'm going to send that to my buddy. 1.00

01:44:10.000 And yeah, you've got some people who might be more cynical than others, but for the most part, people just eat that shit up. 0.99

01:44:15.000 And so I think that's also shows you the incompetence of the government that they release that video from the cell that's got two minutes and 53 seconds removed because these aren't the best people in the world that are doing that. 0.99

01:44:27.000 No, no, and that's that.

01:44:29.000 I mean, there's, yeah, you could argue on the hostile side, on the whatever you want to call them, the hackers or people on the cutting edge of doing things and using this technology for nefarious purposes, they, you know, I'm not saying the government doesn't have good quality people doing it, but you tend to have cutting edge folks on the hostile team.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, they're not going to be working for the State Department.

01:44:52.000 No, they're going to make money other ways.

01:44:56.000 I got to pee real bad.

01:44:57.000 Let's take a little break and we'll come back.

01:44:59.000 Okay.

01:45:00.000 Right back, folks. 0.98

01:45:00.000 I didn't see a shit about that. 0.98

01:45:02.000 Maybe it's a joke. 0.99

01:45:03.000 But did you see that?

01:45:04.000 I sent you the Lockheed Martin thing, right?

01:45:06.000 I also sent you the thing that I was looking for earlier, which is, I believe he's a senator that's reading off the most ridiculous tweets from the CEO, former CEO of NPR.

01:45:20.000 Oh, God.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 Which senator is that, do you know?

01:45:24.000 I don't know.

01:45:25.000 Hold on.

01:45:26.000 I can find out.

01:45:27.000 Dark Schmidt.

01:45:28.000 Yes.

01:45:30.000 That's who it is.

01:45:31.000 Okay.

01:45:32.000 Senator from Missouri.

01:45:32.000 Yeah.

01:45:33.000 Okay.

01:45:34.000 Watch this.

01:45:35.000 This is fun.

01:45:36.000 This is just a fun one.

01:45:38.000 I thought it'd be appropriate to maybe read some of the craziest tweets from Catherine Marr, who is the CEO.

01:45:44.000 Put my glasses on here.

01:45:45.000 I'm so done with late-stage capitalism. 0.94

01:45:48.000 America is addicted to white supremacy.

01:45:50.000 I do wish Hillary wouldn't use the language of boy and girl. 1.00

01:45:54.000 It's erasing language for non-binary people.

01:45:57.000 Lots of jokes about leaving the U.S., and I get it. 1.00

01:45:59.000 But as someone with cis-white mobility pressure, I'm thinking I'm staying and investing in ridding ourselves of the specter of tyranny. 0.99

01:46:08.000 Never underestimate the ability of white people to center ourselves. 0.69

01:46:11.000 White silence is complicity.

01:46:13.000 I'm white, so my hair doesn't automatically carry with it the freight of my race, work, and everyone else's encoded assumptions.

01:46:22.000 I'm grateful to those who have pointed out my phrasing could be understood as trans erasure.

01:46:28.000 Horses inspire all.

01:46:30.000 Horses inspire all and foster a sense of identity.

01:46:34.000 More kids should have access to these incredible animals, but most horse spaces are white spaces.

01:46:39.000 Horse spaces are white spaces.

01:46:42.000 It keeps going.

01:46:43.000 I love the music.

01:46:44.000 The music is good.

01:46:45.000 Whoever came up with that soundtrack is good.

01:46:48.000 God.

01:46:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:51.000 So the thing that I sent you, the Lockheed Martin thing, is people are claiming, it's again a lot of horse shit. 1.00

01:46:58.000 Who fucking knows? 0.98

01:46:59.000 That Lockheed Martin created that Tic Tac and that there's been three different versions of it. 0.98

01:47:04.000 I sent you that, right?

01:47:05.000 Yeah, I got you.

01:47:06.000 Who are the people claiming that?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 So the idea is, this is what I wanted to ask you about.

01:47:15.000 So this is a congressman who says this.

01:47:17.000 Congressman Eric Burleson dropped the bombshell evidence that Lockheed Martin has developed three generations of Tic Tac UFO technology.

01:47:25.000 Is that real, though?

01:47:26.000 Did he say that? 1.00

01:47:26.000 Or is this just a fucking tweet? 1.00

01:47:29.000 I had two people come to me. 0.99

01:47:31.000 I understand that, but did he actually say that?

01:47:33.000 Or is that just a quote on Twitter?

01:47:35.000 I believe he said that.

01:47:36.000 I saw other people say it too.

01:47:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:47:37.000 So he says, I've had two people come to me that say that the Tic Tac is Lockheed Martin creation.

01:47:41.000 The latest person came to me, says he has video of the first, second, and third iteration of the Tic Tac Burleson revealed.

01:47:50.000 This isn't speculation.

01:47:51.000 This is a congressman with direct access to classified information.

01:47:55.000 The implications are staggering.

01:47:57.000 Lockheed Martin allegedly discovered a revolutionary new propulsion system and has been secretly developing it for decades, according to Burleson's source.

01:48:07.000 They used it in the first iteration, which was the Tic Tac.

01:48:10.000 They have an intermediary one that they are more advanced with.

01:48:16.000 And then now they're putting it inside what looks like conventional so that it's not obvious.

01:48:22.000 Okay.

01:48:23.000 What do you think about? 0.99

01:48:24.000 Yeah, I'm going to have to call bullshit on all that. 0.97

01:48:26.000 Look, there's some, there's an interesting, if you scroll back down, there's an interesting, you know, when you start to, there you go, dissecting this. 0.95

01:48:33.000 He says, I've had two people come to me that say that Tic Tac's a Lockheed Martin creation.

01:48:37.000 Now, he doesn't say who those two people are.

01:48:39.000 I've had two people come to me that said they had sex with Bigfoot.

01:48:41.000 Yeah.

01:48:42.000 Well, I did.

01:48:44.000 But you've got, then it says, this isn't speculation.

01:48:47.000 This is a congressman with direct access to classified information, which is the implication that, well, the people that came to him with this have access to classified information, which is un, you know, there's no connection there.

01:48:57.000 So they're taking a data point and another data point and they're drawing a line between the two of them and saying, yes, he's getting this from classifying.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:05.000 And so, you know, and also the next part has been secretly developing it for decades. 0.86

01:49:09.000 I'm here to tell you that if Lockheed Martin was developing something for decades, a new form of propulsion, maybe I'm just a cynical son of a bitch, but I don't think they'd be keeping it secret for all this time.

01:49:23.000 I don't think it would have been able to be kept secret because somebody would have opened their yap or the Chinese would have gotten their hands on it in their economic and intel espionage efforts. 0.60

01:49:35.000 So I don't know.

01:49:36.000 This strikes me as, and then I've got video of it. 0.99

01:49:39.000 Okay, well, how about you show us the goddamn video? 0.99

01:49:42.000 It's always the same thing. 0.99

01:49:43.000 It's always the same thing.

01:49:44.000 It's always like, I've seen video. 1.00

01:49:45.000 Well, fucking show me, bitch. 1.00

01:49:47.000 And then here's the problem. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:49:49.000 The more time they wait, the more it's Luke Skywalker shit. 0.99

01:49:52.000 Like, you're going to show me something. 1.00

01:49:54.000 How the hell do I know what's real anymore?

01:49:56.000 We're six months away from never knowing.

01:49:58.000 Right, right.

01:49:59.000 That is exactly right.

01:50:00.000 And that's the problem.

01:50:01.000 And look, I think we've talked about this before.

01:50:03.000 There are companies out there, private companies that are working trying to figure out how do you get ahead of the curve of deep fakes, right, and AI-generated material.

01:50:12.000 And it is really difficult, right?

01:50:15.000 And it's lagging that defensive capability is lagging behind the offensive potential for AI-generated material.

01:50:25.000 So, you know, again, I agree with it.

01:50:27.000 Someone's going to show this or it's going to be grainy, blurry, and going like, see, see, there it is. 0.92

01:50:31.000 I had a guy recently come to me with a bunch of videos that he needed me to look at, and every one of them was fucking blurry.

01:50:36.000 And I'm like, I'm not interested in this.

01:50:39.000 This doesn't mean anything to me.

01:50:40.000 Every time you've got another hearing up on Capitol Hill, it's always the same.

01:50:45.000 I can't talk about it. 0.98

01:50:46.000 I've seen this shit, but it's in a skiff, and I can't, you know, this is very sensitive. 0.98

01:50:51.000 And it kind of goes back to people getting in front of the camera and saying, I've seen evidence, but I can't tell you about it. 0.99

01:50:57.000 You're just going to have to trust me.

01:50:59.000 So I don't know.

01:51:02.000 I'm not a buyer necessarily.

01:51:04.000 If the congressman wants to make a point of this, then he needs to be more clear on this. 0.99

01:51:09.000 And when people say things like that and then nothing comes of it, it makes you more and more inclined to believe it's all bullshit. 0.99

01:51:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:16.000 Whereas that's where I am.

01:51:18.000 So I'm like, I think the possibility of alien life, of course.

01:51:23.000 Yeah, of course.

01:51:24.000 There's so many planets, so many stars, and the idea that we're alone seems crazy.

01:51:28.000 That seems more unlikely.

01:51:31.000 But I don't know what's real when people describe things and talk about things and things are moving underwater at 500 knots.

01:51:39.000 Okay, show me.

01:51:40.000 Show me.

01:51:42.000 I can't anymore.

01:51:43.000 I can't respond.

01:51:44.000 I can't get excited.

01:51:46.000 No, I agree.

01:51:48.000 You know, in short, yeah, everybody's chasing, just like they're chasing a better battery, everybody's chasing a new form of propulsion, right?

01:51:55.000 I mean, that's a leading part of what governments are spending their money on if they have the resources to do it.

01:52:02.000 So, yeah, there's a national security issue there, and you would think that the congressman then would say, oh, okay, maybe if you're telling me this, I'm not going to go out in public and say it, right?

01:52:12.000 Maybe if we're talking about this, maybe I shouldn't be talking about what Lockheed Martin is doing and obviously working hard, if it's correct, to keep it secret because that's a national security issue.

01:52:22.000 So what the hell is he doing here?

01:52:24.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:52:25.000 It all sounds like a sack of bullshit. 0.99

01:52:28.000 Well, it's also like the problem is a lot of these politicians, it's kind of a form of entertainment in a lot of a way because they're trying to get attention. 1.00

01:52:38.000 It's like they're almost like reality stars, right?

01:52:40.000 They're trying to do something outrageous to get attention, and that'll help them get elected. 0.97

01:52:44.000 That'll get the constituents on their side, and they're, I'm going to be the guy that releases all this information.

01:52:49.000 Oh, let's vote for Bob.

01:52:50.000 I'm the UFO congressman.

01:52:52.000 Yeah, but it's like, you're not producing anything.

01:52:57.000 Show me.

01:52:58.000 Tell me. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Or shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:53:00.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:53:01.000 Yeah, I agree. 0.99

01:53:02.000 And it does.

01:53:05.000 I'm approached maybe once a month about doing a new series focused on UFOs.

01:53:09.000 And my point is always the same, which is like, what are we going to talk about?

01:53:14.000 What are you going to show that's going to be something new that maybe people learn something about?

01:53:19.000 And it's always the same.

01:53:22.000 Look, I'm not saying, again, I agree with him.

01:53:24.000 There's definitely stuff out there.

01:53:25.000 We've explored a drop of water in a glass of the universe.

01:53:29.000 So there's stuff out there.

01:53:33.000 I approach it all from a skeptical point of view.

01:53:36.000 Well, I think you have to because there's also, unfortunately, a market in talking about these things.

01:53:41.000 And there's a lot of grifters out there that have made a career out of telling you they know.

01:53:45.000 I have the information.

01:53:46.000 It's been brought to me and I'm going to release it. 0.99

01:53:49.000 And it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown with that goddamn football. 0.99

01:53:54.000 Charlie never gets to kick that football. 0.99

01:53:56.000 Like, this is the time.

01:53:57.000 This is it.

01:53:58.000 He never has, has he?

01:53:59.000 Never has. 1.00

01:54:00.000 Every time he goes to kick that football, that bitch just pulls it away from him and he goes flying up in the air. 1.00

01:54:00.000 Never has. 1.00

01:54:06.000 Damn it. 1.00

01:54:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:08.000 Maybe he needed to identify as trans. 0.95

01:54:10.000 Then she'd give him a break.

01:54:11.000 I don't know where I came up with that one.

01:54:13.000 Oh, I'm going to get Lambasted for that.

01:54:15.000 They're going to come for you.

01:54:16.000 Oh, they're going to come for me.

01:54:17.000 I mean, you reached on that one.

01:54:18.000 Yeah, I did.

01:54:19.000 It's just like, I want there to be some information that's real.

01:54:23.000 And I think there are, like, Commander David Fraver's depictions and his descriptions of what happened, and there's other fighter pilots that were involved.

01:54:30.000 They have video evidence.

01:54:31.000 That's compelling.

01:54:33.000 What does it mean?

01:54:33.000 What is that?

01:54:34.000 What is it doing?

01:54:35.000 How is something able to go from 50,000 feet above sea level to zero so quickly?

01:54:40.000 Like, what is that?

01:54:41.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 No, I agree.

01:54:42.000 And we've talked about that.

01:54:43.000 That's one of the few things that I think is legit out there and needs further investigation.

01:54:47.000 Again, you have to pick and choose.

01:54:49.000 Is there a reason to have an identification program in the Pentagon? 0.98

01:54:52.000 Of course, goddamn, there is. 0.98

01:54:53.000 It's a national security issue. 0.99

01:54:55.000 Figure out what the hell is flying around up there, right?

01:54:57.000 Right, if it's real.

01:54:58.000 If it's real, and did the Chinese come up with a new form of propulsion, right? 1.00

01:55:01.000 And if they did, they undoubtedly stole it from Lockheed Martin.

01:55:03.000 There was just a...

01:55:12.000 But they just finished the sentencing for an American Chinese citizen.

01:55:21.000 This is a fascinating case.

01:55:23.000 Yeah, people always roll their eyes when I talk about Chinese espionage, but I always love to highlight anything.

01:55:28.000 Oh, they shouldn't roll their eyes.

01:55:29.000 They shouldn't.

01:55:30.000 There's so much.

01:55:31.000 If you wanna talk about evidence, there's so, Yeah.

01:55:35.000 No, no, it's true.

01:55:37.000 So this guy, Chen Guang Gong is his name.

01:55:41.000 He's like 60 years old.

01:55:45.000 Has been sentenced, or I think he's awaiting sentencing.

01:55:48.000 He's out free, believe it or not.

01:55:50.000 He's free on bail right now.

01:55:52.000 And so he went to work in 23, because this stuff has been sealed for quite some time, but he went to work in 23 for some California-based company that was contracted with the Pentagon.

01:56:05.000 And he was only there for a month.

01:56:07.000 And during the course of that month that he was there, he downloaded some 3,600 files or so on the technology that this company develops on behalf of the Pentagon related to sensors.

01:56:19.000 Sensors that are very sensitive information that used to detect nuclear missile launches, used to detect and track hypersonic and ballistic missiles, used for fighter jets to track incoming missiles, heat-seeking missiles.

01:56:37.000 So it's very classified material.

01:56:41.000 He downloaded during the course of his four weeks there, downloaded all these files onto his personal storage devices.

01:56:49.000 And they couldn't find all the hard drives that he had taken with all this information.

01:56:55.000 They've gone missing somehow.

01:56:58.000 So as it turns out, the amazing part about this story is he accepted a job during the course of his brief period of time with this California company working on these sensors.

01:57:09.000 He accepted with a competitor, right?

01:57:11.000 So they were going to hire him. 0.98

01:57:14.000 But ever since like 2014, when he's been working for U.S. companies, he's apparently nobody gives a shit. 0.94

01:57:23.000 Nobody's doing any due diligence. 0.73

01:57:24.000 Nobody's doing any background investigations.

01:57:27.000 From 2014 on, he's been applying to the Chinese Communist Party for what they call talent programs.

01:57:34.000 The Chinese government puts out these proposals, you know, hey, send us your information.

01:57:40.000 If you're working on information of interest, they call them talent programs.

01:57:45.000 And they'll provide funding to people who get their applications accepted.

01:57:48.000 Well, of course, what the Chinese Communist Party is doing is they're fishing for people with access, right?

01:57:52.000 And then you'll put in a proposal saying, I'm working on the following.

01:57:55.000 I think it could be really interesting.

01:57:57.000 And this guy did that.

01:57:58.000 He took several trips to China.

01:57:59.000 He applied for funding for these talent programs from the, which is essentially the Chinese Communist Party.

01:58:05.000 He stated in emails that he's, you know, he thinks it could be really beneficial to the Chinese military, some of the work that he's doing.

01:58:12.000 And so from 2014 on, he's been doing this, And people are still hiring the guy.

01:58:17.000 And yeah, it's incredible.

01:58:18.000 So now he's out on an almost $2 million bail.

01:58:20.000 I don't know how they're allowing him to roam around free.

01:58:25.000 But it's just another example, I guess, is what I'm saying, of what happens out there and why people need to be aware, why companies that are engaged in anything almost, because the Chinese party is interested in everything.

01:58:39.000 But you see this and you think, okay, I get it.

01:58:43.000 The guy was stealing information. 0.99

01:58:45.000 But then you look and you go, how the fuck did he keep on doing this all these years? 0.93

01:58:49.000 How was he, he go from a company and get hired by another company, and they were obviously excited by his expertise, but nobody bothered to dig into him. 0.99

01:58:58.000 And that's always how businesses, for the most part, get fucked, is they don't have a proactive mindset. 0.80

01:59:06.000 They're not thinking about that when they're hiring somebody. 0.97

01:59:09.000 They're not thinking, oh, I'll bet there's a hostile state-sponsored entity out there that like to steal our information.

01:59:15.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, isn't that also part of the problem with having these administrations that are only office for four years?

01:59:21.000 So they have all their problems that they have to deal with.

01:59:25.000 They get in.

01:59:26.000 They're basically starting the job anew.

01:59:28.000 And then you've got these companies out there that are hiring Chinese nationals, and you don't even know it.

01:59:35.000 There's no way you can pay attention to all of it.

01:59:35.000 You don't even know where it is.

01:59:37.000 And the people that are running the companies, all they want to do is get that company off the ground, start making a lot of money, get a government contract.

01:59:44.000 Now, theoretically, they're supposed to be going through a variety of security processes about the dissemination of information, who's got access to it, and all these things.

01:59:55.000 But clearly, it's not working all that well.

01:59:59.000 Anyway, so that's the thing.

02:00:00.000 And then apparently the news just broke that there was a breach.

02:00:06.000 And I think it was Microsoft's SharePoint software that attacked the Department of Energy.

02:00:14.000 And it was Chinese hackers.

02:00:15.000 Again, this is just the past 12 hours or so.

02:00:21.000 And they were going after, among other organizations and agencies, the group that's responsible for maintaining our nuclear stockpile, which sits inside the Department of Energy.

02:00:32.000 So it's the National Nuclear and Security Administration, something like that.

02:00:37.000 So, yeah, I guess I always like to point out that it's a hostile world out there.

02:00:41.000 And going back to your point, you need to have organizations that are out there trying to secure the national security interests of America.

02:00:53.000 So, yeah, that sounds like I'm standing there.

02:00:55.000 The idea that you don't is crazy.

02:00:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:58.000 That's so naive.

02:00:59.000 Well, it's the idea that everybody, if we just would all get along, it's all going to work out fine.

02:01:05.000 And the world's really messy.

02:01:07.000 It's ugly.

02:01:08.000 I mean, we can see that in whether you're talking about the Middle East right now, which is a mess. 1.00

02:01:13.000 You're looking at the Ukraine-Russia conflict. 0.99

02:01:17.000 You know, there's just a lot of shit that happens out there. 0.98

02:01:21.000 And so you do need these organizations. 0.99

02:01:23.000 Now, again, we talked about this.

02:01:25.000 You need them to be as transparent as they can be and still be operationally efficient, right? 0.99

02:01:30.000 But yeah, Middle East, that's a fucked up situation. 1.00

02:01:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:37.000 So what do we know about how much damage was done by those bunker buster bombs?

02:01:43.000 I saw some video, and again, I don't know what's real, but it looked insane where they were reviewing the damage, and they were kind of climbing into this giant canyon that was created by these bunker busters.

02:01:57.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 It's a really interesting point.

02:02:00.000 And I think, you know, we talked about earlier about how you can get out over your skis.

02:02:04.000 Tulsi Gabbard probably did it and Pam Bondi about the Epstein files and everything.

02:02:08.000 And I think the Trump administration got out talking about completely obliterated all three sites, Isfahan and Natanz and Fordo.

02:02:20.000 And you know what?

02:02:22.000 Wait for the battle damage assessments to come in with credible intelligence.

02:02:27.000 Just say, we've done this.

02:02:28.000 We're assessing.

02:02:29.000 How about that?

02:02:30.000 Just keep it like that.

02:02:32.000 Prevent yourself from having to then walk the dog back.

02:02:35.000 So they didn't.

02:02:36.000 They came out and said, we've completely obliterated these sites.

02:02:40.000 What appears to be now coming from some of these assessments, at least the early assessments, is that they did significant damage to one of the sites, Fordo.

02:02:49.000 And then the other two sites, they did some damage, but that's where it's questionable.

02:02:55.000 And these are coming from Israeli and U.S. intelligence.

02:02:57.000 And honestly, when it comes to Iran, sometimes we rely very heavily on what the Israelis have because their intel tends to be a little bit better.

02:03:05.000 I mean, it's their existential threat.

02:03:07.000 So they've spent decades developing sources, right?

02:03:11.000 And so I think, did we destroy all three?

02:03:16.000 No, absolutely not.

02:03:17.000 We didn't.

02:03:18.000 Did we degrade their ability to enrich uranium in the short term?

02:03:24.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 But does that short term mean three months, six months?

02:03:28.000 I think that's kind of where they appear to be at.

02:03:31.000 They don't know.

02:03:32.000 There's still questions.

02:03:33.000 And the Israelis think that they actually did manage to keep stockpile of some of the enriched uranium that was buried way down inside of, I think it was Isfahan, the site.

02:03:45.000 And so it was successful to a degree, right?

02:03:52.000 But not to the degree that it was discussed early on and what they're still saying.

02:03:57.000 So I think that's, you know, and that's a realistic approach.

02:04:01.000 You know, I think the military was fairly clear in some of their scenarios that they were drawing up prior to this that, you know, we don't have high confidence that we can completely destroy these sites.

02:04:12.000 But if they've destroyed and damaged a large number of centrifuges, well, that takes time to replace.

02:04:19.000 And so I think what's going to happen is the regime, and I think they're already doing it, they're going to disperse all of their efforts.

02:04:29.000 They're not going to stop trying to enrich uranium.

02:04:31.000 They're not going to stop this drive towards a nuclear weapon because now in particular, I think they view it as, you know, that's our only leverage going down the road.

02:04:39.000 So they're going to disperse it to smaller sites, going to make it more difficult to create a single strike scenario where you take it out for the most part.

02:04:49.000 And I think that's where we're going with it.

02:04:53.000 But look, the Israelis during the course of their twelve days or so, they degraded the missile capabilities, which was a big part of what they wanted to do, significantly. 0.81

02:05:06.000 Now, depending on who you talk to, that significantly is like 40% destruction of launchers and missile stockpiles to 50%.

02:05:13.000 That's a lot.

02:05:14.000 But again, they still have the ability to make them, and they still will.

02:05:19.000 So we've kind of kicked the can down the road.

02:05:23.000 We've bought some time in terms of, okay, they're not going to get to a breakout point next week, but we haven't really solved the problem.

02:05:34.000 And you don't solve the problem unless the regime goes away.

02:05:39.000 And then people talk about regime change and everybody gets all squirrely.

02:05:43.000 But you're going to have this same problem.

02:05:45.000 They've already said they are going to continue to arm their proxies.

02:05:50.000 And there have already been weapons shipments that have been interdicted, going to the Khouthis, going to Hezbollah.

02:05:58.000 That process of them getting weapons to their proxies is more difficult in part because Syria has fallen and the Syrian government doesn't like Iran.

02:06:08.000 The new one, the Islamist government that's there, doesn't like Iran.

02:06:11.000 So they're shutting down some of that traditional routes that they use to move weapons back and forth and other resources.

02:06:17.000 But they're going to keep doing it.

02:06:19.000 They're going to keep trying. 0.96

02:06:20.000 So we've kind of, again, it's putting lipstick on a pig.

02:06:25.000 We've created a better situation in the short term, but it doesn't solve the problem.

02:06:29.000 Were you shocked that we intervened, that we bombed their nuclear sites? 0.96

02:06:35.000 No, by the time we got a few days into what the Israelis were doing, it looked like there was really very little option. 0.97

02:06:42.000 We were going to have to go in and do that because the Israelis did not have the ability to do that, right? 1.00

02:06:49.000 There are operations.

02:06:51.000 Again, people can argue about, they should have done it, but from an operational perspective, it was pretty damn impressive.

02:06:57.000 Taking out some of the military leadership, taking out some of those nuclear program managers, directors, scientists was really impressive.

02:07:05.000 And it showed what was so impressive was when they tricked them with a fake phone call.

02:07:09.000 Everybody get together in the bunker.

02:07:11.000 Yes.

02:07:11.000 And then they blew the bunker up?

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 I mean, it shows the depth of their Intel capabilities. 0.98

02:07:16.000 Because, again, they've been doing this for years because it's an existential goddamn threat. 0.96

02:07:20.000 And so that's their target. 0.97

02:07:22.000 We've got, in the U.S., our Intel operations are focused on a lot of different things.

02:07:29.000 For the Israelis, for the most part, it's Iran. 0.83

02:07:33.000 Yes, sub-sets are Hezbollah, Rhouthis, and Hamas and all that.

02:07:38.000 But those things wouldn't exist without Iranian support and backing.

02:07:43.000 So their focus over the years has been how do we develop sources?

02:07:46.000 How do we create access?

02:07:51.000 So when the time comes, they pull out their playbook and they open it up and go, let's do this.

02:07:55.000 And they just push the button, right?

02:07:56.000 And they're able to accomplish these things.

02:07:58.000 But it does show their capabilities.

02:08:00.000 They didn't have the munitions, so they don't have these bunker busters to penetrate and get down to Natanza or wherever.

02:08:09.000 So it wasn't a surprise that we did it.

02:08:14.000 Again, I just think we should be, and I suspect the Pentagon felt like we should have been more circumspect in how we described the success of it.

02:08:22.000 Now the foreign minister from Iran's come out the past couple of days, and he said, oh, serious damage. 0.99

02:08:27.000 We've had to stop all uranium enrichment.

02:08:29.000 People going, well, look.

02:08:31.000 And even the White House has said, well, see, we've significantly damaged all their enrichment capabilities.

02:08:38.000 Okay. 0.98

02:08:39.000 If you believe what the goddamn Iranian foreign minister says, but he's a spokesman for the Mullahs and the IRGC. 0.99

02:08:46.000 Why would you? 0.99

02:08:47.000 Why would they be honest about the losses they've taken?

02:08:49.000 Yeah, so he's pushing a message, right?

02:08:52.000 And so, you know, who knows?

02:08:54.000 But I think there's been damage, but not to the degree that they would like to have seen.

02:08:59.000 But a lot of people didn't understand why at this point did we do that?

02:09:02.000 Because one of the narratives was that they had the capability of enriching uranium to 90%, but they didn't plan on doing it.

02:09:14.000 They only wanted to have it so that they could use it as leverage.

02:09:19.000 Yeah, there is no civilian purpose for having 60% enriched uranium.

02:09:26.000 So, yes, maybe they thought if we get a stockpile of it, then we're very close because it's an easy lift getting from, well, relatively speaking, getting from 60 to 90% for weapons grade.

02:09:38.000 So, yes, maybe their thought was only we just use it as leverage and we're not actually going to pursue a weapon.

02:09:43.000 But I don't know that you want to, you know, you want to make strategic decisions based on the hope that that's the case, right?

02:09:52.000 I think everything else they'd shown in the past, their obfuscation, their hiding of their program, backing off of past agreements, none of that showed that they were earnest negotiators or that they were honest brokers in what that weapons program was like.

02:10:08.000 So I think there sounds like there was significant intelligence that came in to the Israeli services that said they're fast-tracking this whole effort.

02:10:21.000 And that may have been in part because of the damage done to their proxies.

02:10:27.000 So they may have looked and seen, look, Hezbollah's leadership was torn apart.

02:10:31.000 Their stockpiles were incredibly degraded.

02:10:34.000 Same thing with the others.

02:10:36.000 And so maybe that was the motivation, perhaps, I'm speculating, for the Iranian regime to say, okay, let's get this done.

02:10:43.000 Let's push.

02:10:44.000 If the Israelis picked up on that, then that would be sufficient justification to say we've got to act now. 0.88

02:10:50.000 But the thing is, it's like we had to get dragged into it.

02:10:53.000 Yeah.

02:10:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:55.000 That's where it gets fucked up because one of the things that people voted for with this new administration was no more wars, no more useless wars. 0.99

02:11:03.000 And then six months in, we're bombing Iran. 0.99

02:11:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:06.000 No, look, I'm not here to argue whether, you know, I know there's a lot of people that say we should not be doing any of this shit. 0.99

02:11:13.000 We shouldn't be, you know, we shouldn't have been in Iraq. 0.98

02:11:15.000 We shouldn't have been in Afghanistan. 1.00

02:11:16.000 We shouldn't have gone to Vietnam.

02:11:17.000 We shouldn't have, okay, fine.

02:11:19.000 You know, There's a lot of people that argue that we should just sit in a bubble because the world will happen and it won't impact us. 0.99

02:11:29.000 Some of the shit that happens outside the U.S. borders will come back in a massively serious way and bite us in the ass. 0.98

02:11:38.000 So could a conflagration out in the Middle East, if we don't take any part in it, could it impact U.S. national security? 0.99

02:11:46.000 Yeah, it could.

02:11:48.000 But it's a call.

02:11:49.000 People are saying, draw the curtains and we shouldn't be at war and we shouldn't be doing any of this and we shouldn't support Israel and what are we doing? 0.69

02:11:49.000 I get it. 0.69

02:11:57.000 I understand the mindset.

02:11:58.000 I just don't agree with it.

02:12:02.000 So I think the limited participation in terms of providing the necessary munitions to attack those sites, again, wasn't a surprise.

02:12:11.000 Don't disagree with the decision.

02:12:15.000 I just think we need to be pragmatic about how much damage we've done and what the potential is for us having to revisit this whole issue.

02:12:23.000 The thing is, people are so skeptical about motivations now.

02:12:26.000 They're so skeptical about public narratives, like why we're doing this and why we're doing that.

02:12:32.000 And I think one of the things that's important, hearing it from a person like yourself that's spent most of your lifetime involved in this, that there are things, like we really shouldn't be meddling in every part of the world, but sometimes we have to meddle.

02:12:50.000 There are occasions.

02:12:51.000 Again, it would be great if we lived in a world where we could just worry about ourselves.

02:12:51.000 There are times.

02:12:57.000 But that's not, you know, maybe 250 years ago it was, right?

02:13:01.000 Because it would take the Armada a long time to make its way across the ocean. 0.99

02:13:05.000 But shit happens with remarkable speed now. 0.96

02:13:09.000 And I just think it's an idealistic idea that you can ignore what's happening and you can just say, we're only focusing on us. 0.99

02:13:18.000 We're not going to get involved in anything that happens out there.

02:13:21.000 There's a lot of things that we don't need to be involved in.

02:13:21.000 I agree.

02:13:27.000 Looking back on Iraq, looking back on Afghanistan. 0.69

02:13:30.000 Now, Afghanistan should have been a surgical move. 1.00

02:13:32.000 We should have gone into Tor Bor, blown the shit out of that, tried to get bin Laden. 1.00

02:13:37.000 And then we should have said, look, if you do this again, meaning if you let your country be a sandbox for the terrorists, we're going to come back here and do this again. 0.96

02:13:44.000 And then we should have gotten the hell out and not worried about, well, maybe we can build a stable federal-style government in Afghanistan, which has never happened, and which we could have looked at what the Soviets said and said, yeah, this is not going to work. 0.55

02:13:54.000 So there's things where we should be learning, or we're not very good at, we should be learning and saying. 0.96

02:13:58.000 But my point being is you've got to leave the door open because there are times when shit could go really seriously wrong.

02:14:04.000 And if the Iranians suddenly, you know, if you're wrong about the hope that, well, I think they just for peaceful purposes, because I'm going to, for some reason, believe, you know, counter to their actions up till now, I'm going to believe the Iranian regime. 0.68

02:14:16.000 So it's peaceful purposes.

02:14:17.000 And then they announce that they're a member of the nuclear club, you've got a shitstorm going on in the Middle East, because it's not like the regional actors like the Saudis are going to go, okay, no worries, we're going to let Iran have the bomb and we're not going to get it. 0.60

02:14:30.000 Now you're going to have multiple nuclear-armed nations sitting in the Middle East and at odds with each other.

02:14:37.000 And I don't know that that's a really good scenario because you're inching closer to use of a tactical nuclear weapon. 0.88

02:14:44.000 Like Putin's already in his moronic puppet Medvedev keeps rattling the nuclear sable. 0.90

02:14:52.000 We'll use a tactical nuke, maybe. 0.97

02:14:56.000 Yeah, you start getting closer to that.

02:14:58.000 And that's a real problem.

02:14:59.000 So I think there are times when you've got to step in in an intelligent way, but you've got to be pragmatic about what that means.

02:15:06.000 And so what I'm saying about with Iran is we didn't really solve anything, right? 0.99

02:15:12.000 And nothing will get solved.

02:15:13.000 The Iranian population isn't going to have a better life until there's a change in that regime.

02:15:20.000 I'm not advocating regime change unless it comes from inside Iran. 0.99

02:15:24.000 And that's what you'd like to think maybe at some point they rise up and say, fuck it, enough's enough. 0.98

02:15:31.000 But that hasn't happened despite people hoping it would happen. 0.99

02:15:35.000 Yeah.

02:15:36.000 Yeah, it's very, it gives people a lot of anxiety when you think about all the possibilities of all over the world, all the different things that are happening, whether it's Ukraine and Russia, Iran and Israel.

02:15:48.000 It's constant.

02:15:49.000 What's going on in Gaza?

02:15:50.000 It's like everything is just like this constant feed of doom that, you know, if you're paying attention and you kind of have to pay attention a little because it is kind of crazy and it could affect your life.

02:16:06.000 Which is, I think, why we're so quick to want to glom on to what's happening with Epstein or what's happening with the Intel assessment because it takes away the focus from there's shit happening in the world that could create bigger conflict and could drag us into something bigger.

02:16:23.000 Look, the European Union is heavily focused on what's going on with Russia because they're sitting on the border. 0.83

02:16:28.000 And so right now, Putin, he has no interest in peace.

02:16:36.000 He thinks he's still kind of winning.

02:16:39.000 And there's this hope that, well, we think the Russian economy is about to crumble.

02:16:42.000 It doesn't look that way.

02:16:43.000 I don't think it's going to crumble.

02:16:45.000 But my point being is that the EU looks at it from a different perspective than the U.S. does.

02:16:50.000 And I think one of the things that Trump's done very well is to get the EU to focus more of their own resources on this.

02:16:56.000 That's a great move, right?

02:16:57.000 And people should be able to say, yeah, whether they're Democrat or Republican, yeah, it makes sense.

02:17:02.000 Focus more on it, right?

02:17:04.000 It's in your backyard.

02:17:05.000 And so I think that's a good step from this administration.

02:17:08.000 They should be talking about it more.

02:17:10.000 But does that mean we should back off entirely? 0.99

02:17:13.000 Well, again, I hear from folks all the time, and they're like, yeah, why do we give a shit? 0.99

02:17:19.000 Why should we be spending our resources on Ukraine? 0.99

02:17:25.000 And fine, if you're okay with Putin winning, then fine, okay.

02:17:31.000 Then I get your point.

02:17:33.000 But at least admit that what you're saying is we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine.

02:17:39.000 And frankly, without U.S. support, Ukraine's not going to win this fight.

02:17:44.000 And whatever that win means, right?

02:17:47.000 Can they even win?

02:17:49.000 Not in terms of like a, we've reclaimed all our territory.

02:17:52.000 That's never going to happen.

02:17:53.000 So it's over.

02:17:54.000 It's a negotiated settlement of some sort that's not completely unpalatable for the Ukrainian people.

02:18:01.000 So what they're going to, who knows?

02:18:04.000 Maybe the goal is clearly to get everything back, but they're not going to get Crimea back.

02:18:08.000 They're not going to get some of the eastern region that the Russians have been sitting in now for quite a long time, even before the invasion. 0.63

02:18:16.000 So you've got some negotiated settlement that they can accept.

02:18:22.000 But if we say we're not going to support them and you can't inflict enough pressure or whatever you want to call it, pain on Putin to get him in a serious way to the negotiating table, then ultimately, yeah, the Russian military will overwhelm them, right?

02:18:41.000 Because they've got the support of China.

02:18:42.000 They've got certainly the support of North Korea.

02:18:44.000 North Korea is about to send another 30,000 troops to the front lines on behalf of Putin.

02:18:51.000 I mean, that's crazy, but we've got North Korean troops by the thousands fighting and dying in Ukraine. 0.99

02:18:59.000 And so the U.S. providing military support that keeps them in the fight long enough to hopefully, with the EU expanding what they're doing, to hopefully get Putin to think, okay, fuck it, I do have to sit down at the table. 0.93

02:19:13.000 Well, this is what's discouraging, is that Trump said, when I get into office, I can fix this in 24 hours. 0.94

02:19:13.000 Great. 0.94

02:19:19.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 Messaging problem.

02:19:22.000 Again, messaging problem.

02:19:23.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 It's always, again, I go back to that same thing.

02:19:27.000 There's always a problem with, you know, and again, this is not a, I'm just saying maybe get better, you know, comms people and try to get just a tad bit more discipline.

02:19:39.000 But, you know, the idea that you're going to fix this problem in a day, you know, it's hyperbole, but people buy into it, right?

02:19:45.000 And then you get a mob that are saying, well, how come we couldn't?

02:19:47.000 And what are you doing here?

02:19:50.000 Rather than saying, well, no more wars, just say the world is an unusual, unstable, chaotic place.

02:19:56.000 There may be occasion when we need to be involved, but I'm going to try to minimize that.

02:20:00.000 Say something like that, and then you don't have to throw more red meat to the crowd. 0.81

02:20:05.000 But it's, yeah, the Ukraine situation, and Zelensky's got some other problems, right?

02:20:12.000 It's an interesting situation that may, hopefully it doesn't bore people, but it's important to keep on the radar, is that Zelensky has just signed a bill that kind of gutted the two primary anti-corruption organizations in Ukraine.

02:20:29.000 And Ukraine's had years and years of history of being a corrupt nation. 0.98

02:20:33.000 And it's always been a roadblock to them getting into the European Union because they're saying, you've got to do something to clean this goddamn place up. 0.92

02:20:40.000 So Ukraine has had a history of, not just with Zelensky, but prior to that.

02:20:45.000 And so the parliament wrote up a bill basically handing over control of these two anti-corruption, independent organizations that monitor corruption inside the Ukraine government, handed over that control to the prosecutor general, government control of these organizations.

02:21:03.000 And they put that bill that they wrote, a Zelensky supporter wrote it, put it on Zelensky's desk like 48 hours ago.

02:21:11.000 And he had the choice to either sign it or veto it.

02:21:14.000 Again, here's the problem. 0.99

02:21:15.000 We think like, who the fuck was advising him, right? 1.00

02:21:17.000 Veto that goddamn thing. 1.00

02:21:19.000 But he didn't. 1.00

02:21:20.000 He signed it.

02:21:21.000 And now you've got street protests, significant, large street protests in Ukraine against this because they considered this this authoritarian takeover.

02:21:30.000 And they know what their history was like.

02:21:31.000 And so the people are worried about this.

02:21:33.000 So they're out on the streets protesting.

02:21:34.000 Putin's looking at it going like, ah, it's fantastic.

02:21:37.000 Because Putin's been saying that Zelensky's an illegitimate leader for some time now.

02:21:42.000 And one of his demands has always been, you know, I'll negotiate, but Zelensky needs to go.

02:21:47.000 And because he wants a pro-Kremlin leader in there.

02:21:49.000 So you've got all this going on.

02:21:51.000 And then Zelensky decides he's going to sign this bill.

02:21:53.000 Now he's got the protest.

02:21:54.000 Now he's going to have to, he's trying to scramble.

02:21:56.000 So now he said, we're going to introduce a new bill to strengthen our anti-corruption efforts.

02:22:01.000 So now he's trying to cauterize that wound.

02:22:04.000 So it's just, again, it's a self-inflicted wound.

02:22:08.000 He shouldn't have done it.

02:22:09.000 But I'm trying to speak to the complexity that's going on out there right now.

02:22:14.000 Jesus Christ, Mike Baker.

02:22:15.000 Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

02:22:18.000 Yeah.

02:22:19.000 Anyway, so that's, yeah, we touched very briefly.

02:22:21.000 We haven't even talked about the situation with Hamas and Israel, but I'll leave that for another day because I'm sure if we got together again in another half a year, it's still going on. 0.70

02:22:35.000 There's no ceasefire that's going to happen.

02:22:37.000 Every time you turn around, the U.S. Witkoff or somebody in the U.S. administration or the Saudis or the Egyptians or the Qataris, whoever's handling mediation is saying, yeah, we're very close to a ceasefire.

02:22:48.000 It's just not happening.

02:22:49.000 So, you know, it's going to be a mess.

02:22:52.000 We can talk about that some other time.

02:22:54.000 Yeah.

02:22:55.000 Yeah.

02:22:56.000 I know.

02:22:57.000 Is there any way you can give us some happy news to wrap this up?

02:23:02.000 Is there anything positive?

02:23:03.000 Yeah, well, I know you got a bunch of notes over there.

02:23:06.000 I do.

02:23:07.000 I do.

02:23:08.000 You know what?

02:23:10.000 I know.

02:23:11.000 None of them.

02:23:12.000 Well, I got one about, well, Ozzy and Hulk Hogan.

02:23:15.000 I mean, that's not positive.

02:23:17.000 No. 0.99

02:23:18.000 God damn. 1.00

02:23:18.000 We lost Hulk Hogan today. 1.00

02:23:19.000 We did.

02:23:20.000 Hulk Hogan, what a guy.

02:23:22.000 And then Ozzie. 1.00

02:23:23.000 I mean, what a goddamn charisma. 0.99

02:23:24.000 The Ozzie thing was less surprising because he'd been battling Parkinson's and he was very old. 0.99

02:23:29.000 But the Hulk Hogan thing was crazy.

02:23:32.000 He was here just how long ago?

02:23:34.000 A year ago?

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:37.000 He was in the podcast for a year ago.

02:23:38.000 Well, Ozzie did that concert on the 5th of July.

02:23:41.000 I mean, in his chair.

02:23:41.000 Yeah.

02:23:41.000 I know.

02:23:42.000 But Hulk went in for some surgery, apparently, and he got an infection.

02:23:48.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 I think it was neck or spine surgery or something that he couldn't come back from.

02:23:53.000 But yeah, and it's all in the same week.

02:23:56.000 And then what?

02:23:59.000 What's his name?

02:24:00.000 Then the other guy, this poor guy, it always happens, right?

02:24:03.000 Malcolm Jamal Warner, the kid from the Cosby show.

02:24:07.000 He dies, and then nobody thinks about it because we're like the day after, Ozzie dies, and then a Hulk Hogan guy.

02:24:13.000 They always die in threes.

02:24:15.000 People say that.

02:24:15.000 Yeah.

02:24:16.000 Celebrities die in threes.

02:24:17.000 Why is that true?

02:24:18.000 but poor Malcolm, I mean, he goes and his death is completely, you know, it's like if you and I were on a plane and plane went down, it'd be like, we lost a legend today.

02:24:29.000 You know, Joe Rogan is gone, along with 240 others.

02:24:33.000 And I'd be like the other.

02:24:34.000 You know, it'd be a sad moment.

02:24:36.000 Malcolm died swimming, right?

02:24:39.000 He got caught in the undertone.

02:24:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:41.000 It was a swimming incident in Costa Rica.

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 Got pulled out by a riptide. 1.00

02:24:45.000 Yeah, fuck, man. 1.00

02:24:47.000 You got to be able to swim and you got to not fuck with the tides. 1.00

02:24:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:51.000 It's scary shit. 1.00

02:24:52.000 Yeah, we were out in the Caymans. 1.00

02:24:54.000 My wife and I had gone down there to give a speech at something.

02:24:58.000 So we said, let's go snorkeling, whatever.

02:25:01.000 And so I went out.

02:25:04.000 I didn't take a PFD.

02:25:05.000 I didn't take a inflatable device with me, right?

02:25:09.000 I should have just grabbed a belt. 0.80

02:25:11.000 You just pop it and get it.

02:25:13.000 So I was out there swimming, snorkeling around.

02:25:15.000 And at some point, I was like, I don't feel good.

02:25:19.000 I don't feel right.

02:25:20.000 And then I could tell because I'd had an art issue in the past, right?

02:25:24.000 And I knew exactly what was going to happen.

02:25:25.000 And so I started feeling this and I could just kind of feel the energy drain out of me. 0.99

02:25:29.000 But I'm out in the middle of the fucking water. 0.99

02:25:32.000 And I kind of look up and there's no, I can see my wife off in the distance, you know, but I'm like, you know, and so I'm just trying to keep my goddamn head above water. 0.99

02:25:41.000 And so I get her attention finally.

02:25:44.000 She comes over and she's a brilliant person and she's a great athlete, very strong swimmer.

02:25:49.000 And so she's trying to help.

02:25:50.000 But now I'm doing that dude thing where I don't really want to, I don't want to make a fuss, right?

02:25:55.000 So I'm out there in the water.

02:25:56.000 I don't want to take my mask off and I'm saying, ah, I'll be okay.

02:25:59.000 And I am, you know, I'm just kind of like barely going.

02:26:02.000 But I'm doing that the dude thing, right?

02:26:04.000 When you have, as a dude, if you're having a heart attack, you don't want to alert anybody because you're like, I don't want to cause a scene.

02:26:09.000 I don't want to be a problem.

02:26:10.000 I don't want to show that I'm weak or whatever. 0.98

02:26:12.000 So she literally hauls my ass back to shore, right? 1.00

02:26:18.000 And so it was one of those moments. 0.98

02:26:20.000 I got back down. 0.95

02:26:21.000 But I was fine after a little bit, but it was just one of those moments where we realized this would be a fucked up way to go, right? 0.79

02:26:28.000 Just kind of drowning and being at the bottom of that, and they got to fish you out. 0.72

02:26:33.000 So I feel bad for Malcolm Jamal Warner.

02:26:35.000 But then also his news got blown out by Ozzie and now Hulk. 0.71

02:26:40.000 It is weird that they always die in threes.

02:26:43.000 Yeah.

02:26:44.000 I don't know what that's all about.

02:26:45.000 But it's so common.

02:26:47.000 Cosmic retribution.

02:26:48.000 Something's going on.

02:26:49.000 But it's like there's a pattern to the universe where that happens.

02:26:51.000 Yeah.

02:26:52.000 So, but as far as good news, I'm really working on this one.

02:27:00.000 You're here.

02:27:01.000 We're here.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

02:27:02.000 Got somebody.

02:27:02.000 Everybody listening is still alive.

02:27:04.000 Going to see Oasis?

02:27:05.000 Oh, nice.

02:27:05.000 So that's good news.

02:27:06.000 Yeah, I'm going to go see Oasis and coming to Los Angeles.

02:27:09.000 That'd be a big deal.

02:27:10.000 I'm glad they're back together. 0.99

02:27:11.000 God damn it, right. 0.97

02:27:12.000 I'm just hoping it's not because it's not till September. 0.98

02:27:15.000 So the danger is.

02:27:16.000 That they feud.

02:27:17.000 They feud.

02:27:18.000 They break up. 1.00

02:27:19.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:27:21.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:27:22.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:27:23.000 Yeah, so it's, but it's going to be, it should be a great show. 1.00

02:27:26.000 They've been doing a bang-up job.

02:27:27.000 But as long as they stick, come on, guys, stick together, make it to September, and we'll be fine.

02:27:33.000 But other than that, no, look, there's good news happening out there.

02:27:36.000 I'm sure I just haven't seen it.

02:27:38.000 All right.

02:27:39.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:40.000 Tell everybody your podcast.

02:27:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:27:43.000 It's President's Daily Brief.

02:27:43.000 Thank you.

02:27:45.000 It's available.

02:27:45.000 We've got a YouTube channel at President's Daily Brief.

02:27:49.000 It's doing well.

02:27:50.000 Yeah, we see you on the charts all the time.

02:27:52.000 Yeah, we're up there.

02:27:54.000 We're always hovering around the top 10.

02:27:56.000 And I think it speaks to the fact that, you know, for the most part, look, we're just trying to tell people what's happening without telling them how to think about it.

02:28:04.000 And that's what people want because there's not a lot of that.

02:28:04.000 Yes.

02:28:07.000 And it's worked out well in that regard.

02:28:08.000 And occasionally I'll say something, I get a little comment in there, but I try to keep the opinion out of it.

02:28:13.000 But it's, yeah, it's all the podcast platforms, a YouTube channel, and it's gone well.

02:28:19.000 It's been a great adventure so far, and it's been growing, which, again, for me, that is very satisfying in the sense that nowadays, everything's opinion, right? 0.98

02:28:32.000 Everything, goddamn opinion, right? 0.96

02:28:34.000 Not just opinion, but again, what you were saying, telling you how to think. 1.00

02:28:36.000 Telling you how to think about it.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, this is how you have to think.

02:28:39.000 Yeah.

02:28:39.000 So it's yeah, President's Daily Brief.

02:28:41.000 Anybody gets a chance, check it out, subscribe, whatever you do.

02:28:44.000 And I appreciate you letting me bang on about that.

02:28:47.000 I appreciate you telling me about things and explaining things.

02:28:51.000 I get lost out there.

02:28:52.000 I always feel like I come in here, I bum you out.

02:28:54.000 You definitely did.

02:28:55.000 You definitely did today.

02:28:56.000 Dude, I'm going to your show tonight.

02:28:58.000 I'm going to love it.

02:29:00.000 America wants to know this before I go.

02:29:03.000 The White House card, is it happening?

02:29:05.000 Supposedly.

02:29:06.000 Supposedly July 4th next year.

02:29:06.000 Yeah.

02:29:08.000 Okay.

02:29:09.000 July 4th next year.

02:29:10.000 Okay.

02:29:10.000 Yep.

02:29:11.000 It's going to be amazing.

02:29:12.000 It should be wild.

02:29:13.000 Is Jones coming back?

02:29:15.000 I don't know.

02:29:16.000 You know, it's a lot of time between now and then.

02:29:20.000 He's a wild card.

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:21.000 All right.

02:29:22.000 I'd like to see it.

02:29:23.000 I'd like to see him.

02:29:23.000 Are you kidding me?

02:29:24.000 Fight for the title on the White House lawn.

02:29:26.000 That'd be pretty wild.

02:29:27.000 It's crazy.

02:29:28.000 No, okay.

02:29:29.000 So I didn't mean to drag that one out.

02:29:30.000 But anyway, thank you, man.

02:29:31.000 All right.

02:29:31.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 25, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2355 - Mike Baker

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript