The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2356

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

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00:00:12.000 Feeling better now?

00:00:13.000 It's awesome.

00:00:14.000 Does it feel better?

00:00:14.000 It does feel better, yeah.

00:00:15.000 A little bit.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, it's just a consistent thing.

00:00:17.000 You have to do it every day.

00:00:18.000 We're talking about decompressing the back, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:21.000 Lower back pain.

00:00:22.000 Another thing you can do without a machine is just bend your knees, just bend slightly, grab your arms like this, and just like go forward and relax your back, and it'll pop your back that way, too.

00:00:36.000 Because I know how to pop upper back.

00:00:38.000 That's where you have to go back.

00:00:39.000 The person just grab you and then hold you and then you can hear it crack.

00:00:44.000 I don't know how good it is.

00:00:47.000 But the lower back is when I played football, I played contact football, and we used to go to physicals.

00:00:53.000 You had to get a physical, and it was just a gigantic room, and you'd go from doctor to doctor, so everybody could do it at one time.

00:00:59.000 And I remember I laid down, and the doctor grabbed my leg, and he was trying to get range of motion, and he got it like three-quarters of the way up, and it stopped.

00:01:08.000 And he said to me, you're going to have lower back pain when you're older.

00:01:13.000 And that's exactly what happened.

00:01:14.000 You can avoid it.

00:01:15.000 He predicted it.

00:01:17.000 There's a lot of ways to avoid it.

00:01:18.000 You know, people just accept it.

00:01:20.000 But what you're telling me right there with not being able to get your leg up, that's a hamstring issue.

00:01:27.000 So one thing, hamstrings and quads and glutes, all the tightness in those areas will absolutely affect your back.

00:01:37.000 Because anytime you have restricted range of motion and you're really tight, everything else is tightened.

00:01:42.000 I say everything is like kind of pulled down and you have to figure out a way to lengthen that shit out.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:47.000 And there's a lot of different stretches you could do, but you definitely should be doing them.

00:01:52.000 Nobody likes to stretch.

00:01:53.000 It sucks.

00:01:54.000 Everybody hates it.

00:01:55.000 But if you don't do it, you're going to go to a doctor and they're going to want to cut you open.

00:01:58.000 And don't do that because there's other ways around that.

00:02:01.000 If you're listening to this and you've got a bulging disc in your back, there's ways around it, folks.

00:02:04.000 There's decompression.

00:02:06.000 There's stem cells.

00:02:07.000 There's a thing that I did a long time ago in California called, oh my God, what is it called?

00:02:13.000 What is that shit called?

00:02:14.000 That Peyton Manning did?

00:02:16.000 Regenikine?

00:02:17.000 Regenikine.

00:02:17.000 Thank you.

00:02:18.000 Escaped my mind.

00:02:19.000 It's early.

00:02:20.000 Regenikine is where they, it's like platelet-rich plasma, but it's a more sophisticated version of it.

00:02:25.000 They first started, pioneered it in Germany.

00:02:27.000 You have to go to Germany to get it, but now you get it in America.

00:02:30.000 But stop over in Turkey for the hair, and then in Germany for the hair.

00:02:34.000 You don't have to do it.

00:02:34.000 It's in America now.

00:02:36.000 What is the name of the place?

00:02:38.000 Life cycle medicine in Santa Monica?

00:02:42.000 What is the name of the place?

00:02:43.000 Why am I not remembering?

00:02:45.000 My brain has way too much extra information, and my hard drive is so full.

00:02:51.000 Lifespan.

00:02:52.000 Lifespan medicine in Santa Monica is where I had it done.

00:02:54.000 It was amazing.

00:02:56.000 My neck was fucked up for like almost a year.

00:02:58.000 And I was going to chiropractors who are all goofy.

00:03:02.000 It's all nonsense.

00:03:03.000 And then I finally went to this guy, Dr. Ben Ruhi there, and he said, you have a bulging disc in your neck.

00:03:09.000 We got an MRI.

00:03:10.000 He's like, this is what we could do.

00:03:11.000 Spinal decompression.

00:03:13.000 And we'll use regenokine.

00:03:15.000 It's a very potent, anti-inflammatory.

00:03:17.000 It'll relax all the muscles around that area.

00:03:20.000 And, you know, slowly it'll go back.

00:03:22.000 And it went back.

00:03:23.000 Now it's hard.

00:03:23.000 But you had to go in for several treatments, though?

00:03:26.000 The regenokine?

00:03:27.000 No.

00:03:27.000 I think it was one treatment.

00:03:29.000 One treatment did it.

00:03:30.000 I did go back again to get another treatment, but that's just because I do jiu-jitsu.

00:03:34.000 And jiu-jitsu is just always getting your neck ranked on.

00:03:37.000 I went back to get like mid-back.

00:03:40.000 I think I did one more on my neck too, but it was, I might not have, but it was more like maintenance than anything.

00:03:47.000 The big issue had been resolved.

00:03:50.000 And then I started strengthening because I never really did anything to strengthen my lower back, my neck, any of those things while I was training jiu-jitsu in the beginning.

00:03:59.000 I just worked out normal stuff.

00:04:01.000 I lifted weights.

00:04:03.000 But doesn't deadlifting and I don't know if you did these things, but deadlifting and squatting without, I squat lightweight without a belt.

00:04:10.000 Doesn't that automatically strengthen your lower back?

00:04:13.000 I thought it automatically kind of did.

00:04:15.000 Well, I mean, it does a little bit, but it depends on what you're doing.

00:04:17.000 The not-to-focused exercises that we were just doing.

00:04:19.000 Right.

00:04:20.000 Those are just lower back.

00:04:21.000 Squats are really for your legs.

00:04:23.000 But it does your lower back, but also it gets compressed because you're carrying weight in your shoulders.

00:04:27.000 But I do belt squats, which I really like.

00:04:30.000 So what belt squats are, it's a different machine.

00:04:32.000 There's another one out there, too, that was created by Louis Simmons from Westside Barbell.

00:04:37.000 And it's a strap that goes around you and it goes to a cable that goes in between your legs and the weight is pulling down from your hips.

00:04:44.000 So it's not on your shoulders compressing your spine, which is great if you have a back issue.

00:04:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:49.000 So you can squat a lot of weight, but all of it is like resting on your hips.

00:04:53.000 Wow.

00:04:54.000 That's awesome.

00:04:55.000 I can definitely feel the difference in my strength when I squat and when I don't.

00:04:59.000 Like I'm a guy who needs to lift weights.

00:05:01.000 I wrestled with guys and played football with guys who were naturally just shredded and did not need.

00:05:06.000 It was annoying to them to lift weights.

00:05:07.000 Not that it didn't benefit them, but they were just very muscle bound and they kind of didn't need it.

00:05:12.000 I need to lift weights.

00:05:13.000 Well, everybody needs it if you're competing against elite guys.

00:05:16.000 That's right.

00:05:20.000 They're doing it and you have great genetics and they have great genetics and they're doing strength conditioning and you're not.

00:05:26.000 Right, they're going to win.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:28.000 Or at least they're going to have at least some kind of an advantage.

00:05:31.000 But I tell everybody like my age, I'm 52, it's like, do a circuit, do a 40-minute weight circuit, do three sets of, just go, just, you got to do it.

00:05:42.000 Because I think it affects your, I'm not an expert on this or anything, but I think it affects your testosterone.

00:05:46.000 I can feel.

00:05:47.000 Oh, it definitely does.

00:05:48.000 I can feel it.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:05:50.000 Lifting weights definitely affects your testosterone.

00:05:52.000 Here's another way to boost your testosterone.

00:05:54.000 Cold plunge before you lift weights.

00:05:56.000 That's a big one.

00:05:57.000 Or if you don't have that, cold shower after winter.

00:06:00.000 That's great.

00:06:00.000 It's great.

00:06:01.000 You do that before you lift weights, before any kind of training, actually.

00:06:04.000 You know, because there's been some negative press lately on cold punges and hypertrophy.

00:06:11.000 But it's all about doing it right after lifting weights, which is, you're never supposed to do that anyway.

00:06:16.000 You're not supposed to, The inflammation helps you because your body heals and then it gets stronger.

00:06:25.000 And you don't want to kill the inflammation right after you work out.

00:06:28.000 And the cold is killing the inflammation.

00:06:30.000 Exactly.

00:06:31.000 So I do that.

00:06:32.000 I do that.

00:06:33.000 We just moved into a new building, Jim in the building.

00:06:35.000 Oh, nice.

00:06:36.000 And that's great.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, we just bought a condo in New York.

00:06:40.000 Right in time for socialism.

00:06:41.000 Nice.

00:06:41.000 Right in time for the fucking communist takeover.

00:06:44.000 Right in time for all of us to have to share.

00:06:46.000 Yeah, you're going to have to share.

00:06:47.000 You're going to have to have immigrants move into your apartment.

00:06:50.000 I mean, I just did, I just, 20 years living with roommates, and I just finally got married and bought a place.

00:06:58.000 This is the first time you've had your own place?

00:06:59.000 Yes.

00:07:00.000 Whoa.

00:07:00.000 Yeah.

00:07:01.000 Well, no, no, no.

00:07:01.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:02.000 Not the first time I had my own place.

00:07:03.000 We were renting, we rented for four years, but this is the first time I've bought something.

00:07:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:08.000 So I bought property in New York City.

00:07:09.000 I don't know if that's a good idea or not, buying things.

00:07:11.000 I go back and forth on it.

00:07:12.000 Really?

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:13.000 It's like all problems.

00:07:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:18.000 Depends on where you are.

00:07:19.000 New York City to me seems like a fucking time bomb.

00:07:22.000 It's like there's a whole bunch of crazy people with a bunch of wacky ideas and they're getting voted in.

00:07:28.000 Good luck with all that.

00:07:29.000 And your options are them or the guy from fucking Guardian Angels.

00:07:35.000 Curtis Lewa.

00:07:37.000 Curtis Sleewa.

00:07:39.000 What if he comes into office and he goes, everybody wears berets now?

00:07:42.000 Listen, it's a beret city now.

00:07:43.000 If you have the beret, the things he's saying make sense.

00:07:46.000 Like a lot of the stuff he says makes sense.

00:07:48.000 If he didn't have the beret, I'd be like, maybe I'll take it a little more seriously.

00:07:53.000 What are you going to do?

00:07:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:54.000 Paint?

00:07:57.000 Where's your cigarette holder?

00:07:58.000 No, I love it.

00:08:00.000 I love the Guardian because they don't have weapons, right?

00:08:01.000 Isn't that their whole thing?

00:08:03.000 I came after that whole initiative, but I do like the idea.

00:08:07.000 I do like the idea of someone out there to protect the public other than cops.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:08:11.000 He's been doing this forever.

00:08:12.000 I remember in, I guess it was the 90s, I was in New York City, and I was in traffic with my girlfriend at the time.

00:08:20.000 She was sitting next to me, and we were looking at this guardian angel guy.

00:08:23.000 I go, why do you have to wear the hat?

00:08:24.000 Like, what is it with the hat?

00:08:26.000 Like, why do they make them wear that fucking hat?

00:08:28.000 And her and I are just laughing.

00:08:29.000 The guy looks at me and goes, fuck you.

00:08:32.000 Like, with a real angry face.

00:08:33.000 I'm like, hey, that's not serving and protecting, sir.

00:08:36.000 If you don't think that hat is funny, the fuck you.

00:08:38.000 Like, what if I say no, fuck you, and I get out and I want to fight?

00:08:41.000 Yes.

00:08:42.000 This is so stupid.

00:08:42.000 Come on.

00:08:44.000 You're not helping.

00:08:45.000 This is not good.

00:08:46.000 I would hate to lose to a guy with that hat.

00:08:48.000 Probably you're not going to.

00:08:48.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 Imagine anybody that really knows how to fight is not going to put that fucking hat on.

00:08:55.000 You're going to be like, what am I doing?

00:08:56.000 But those guys, like, I think that what they did is if there was a disturbance or something or somebody was acting nuts on the subway, they would just surround the person.

00:09:06.000 Well, that's good.

00:09:07.000 As long as the guy doesn't have a gun.

00:09:07.000 Yeah.

00:09:09.000 Or a fucking samurai sword or whatever.

00:09:12.000 Or a tiger in his apartment.

00:09:14.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of those.

00:09:16.000 Yeah, yeah, that was a big thing for a while.

00:09:18.000 Guys having just wild life in their apartments.

00:09:20.000 Tigers and crocodiles and shit.

00:09:22.000 Wasn't there a thing with Curtis Sleewell where there was a fake crime and he was saving someone, but it wasn't real?

00:09:32.000 Didn't something like that happen back in the day?

00:09:34.000 I don't remember that one.

00:09:35.000 I remember Jamie's going to look up.

00:09:38.000 There was something like that.

00:09:40.000 I remember.

00:09:41.000 Maybe it was an exaggeration or something.

00:09:43.000 John Gotti Jr. was brought to trial for trying to kill him.

00:09:46.000 Oh, boy.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, for saying stuff about his dad.

00:09:48.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:09:50.000 Oh, boy.

00:09:51.000 He got, I think it was just a hung jury five times and he never got convicted of it.

00:09:55.000 But yeah, that was a thing.

00:09:58.000 I remember that.

00:09:59.000 Yeah.

00:10:00.000 And we tried to shoot him in a cab.

00:10:01.000 Whoa.

00:10:02.000 Yeah.

00:10:02.000 Cabs are bad enough.

00:10:04.000 That was John Gotti Jr.

00:10:06.000 Interesting.

00:10:06.000 You know, John Gotti III's an MMA fighter.

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 He's fucking good.

00:10:09.000 He's good.

00:10:10.000 He's good.

00:10:10.000 Yeah.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, he's real good.

00:10:12.000 He fought Floyd Mayweather.

00:10:13.000 I saw that.

00:10:13.000 It was crazy.

00:10:14.000 I think they fought twice.

00:10:16.000 Admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity.

00:10:22.000 Okay.

00:10:22.000 So in 1992, Sleewood admitted he and the Guardian Angels faked heroic subway rescues for publicity.

00:10:28.000 He also admitted to having claimed falsely that three off-duty transit police officers had kidnapped him.

00:10:36.000 Sleewood explained at the time.

00:10:37.000 That's got to be some jail time, right?

00:10:39.000 Should be, right?

00:10:40.000 I mean, if you're saying off-duty transit police officers, so you're accusing police officers of a crime.

00:10:46.000 So what you're doing is not just lying, but you're also putting the police officers in jeopardy because you're falsely claiming that these guys are outlaws.

00:10:55.000 He claimed at the time stunts were intended to underscore the dangers of the subways.

00:10:59.000 Who doesn't know about the dangers of the subway?

00:11:01.000 Yeah, just let the natural stuff play out.

00:11:03.000 I want it.

00:11:04.000 I've literally ridden the subway three times in my fucking life.

00:11:07.000 Keep that up, Jamie.

00:11:08.000 And I'm very aware of the dangers of the fucking subway.

00:11:11.000 When the Guardian Angels first became patrolling streets and subways, New York City was experiencing some of the highest crime rates.

00:11:16.000 I feel the incidents we staged led to some improvements.

00:11:19.000 He said, oh, boy.

00:11:21.000 Oh, boy.

00:11:23.000 Jesse Smollett.

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 It's before Jesse.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, it's a Jesse Smallette.

00:11:27.000 DJ, before Jesse.

00:11:29.000 God damn.

00:11:30.000 That guy stuck to his story.

00:11:32.000 Even the guys who beat up the person, even when they flipped, even after they flipped, he stuck to his story.

00:11:39.000 Is that an actor or is that an actor?

00:11:41.000 Bro, he showed up at the hotel and had the noose still around his neck.

00:11:47.000 That's what happens when you let actors write the scripts.

00:11:50.000 Like Amber Heard when she was on trial with Depp.

00:11:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:53.000 Like, kind of similar.

00:11:55.000 Like, when you let the actors write the script, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:11:58.000 Hold up.

00:11:59.000 What happened now?

00:12:00.000 Come on.

00:12:01.000 What is this?

00:12:01.000 Netflix sets Jesse Smola documentary with new evidence.

00:12:05.000 Alleged hate crime hoax might be a true story.

00:12:10.000 He never backtracked on it.

00:12:12.000 Who's funding this?

00:12:13.000 This is new.

00:12:14.000 I just Googled his name and there's like the last two days, there's stories about this document.

00:12:17.000 It could just be a provincial documentary.

00:12:18.000 Whoever his PR team is.

00:12:20.000 Congratulations.

00:12:21.000 You guys rule.

00:12:22.000 It should be at least a documentary.

00:12:24.000 What do you got there?

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 A little tiny cigar?

00:12:26.000 You got a big one, too.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, little tiny ones.

00:12:28.000 Yeah.

00:12:28.000 You're mixing it up.

00:12:29.000 I'm making it up.

00:12:30.000 You're not sure what you want?

00:12:32.000 No, this is before I go on.

00:12:33.000 Usually, I just don't want to take the commitment to this.

00:12:37.000 Oh, I feel you.

00:12:37.000 I like them little ones.

00:12:38.000 I like those little ones.

00:12:39.000 Ron White does those.

00:12:40.000 They're fantastic.

00:12:40.000 Thank you.

00:12:41.000 Monte Cristo's.

00:12:42.000 They're good because if you don't want to commit to a full cigar, like Ray Viro on stage, you can.

00:12:46.000 But Ron White inhales these bitches.

00:12:48.000 Does he, really?

00:12:49.000 Like an animal.

00:12:53.000 You're going to tell me it caures his lower back?

00:12:55.000 Nope.

00:12:57.000 Well, he plays golf, so he must have a good lower back.

00:13:00.000 You know?

00:13:01.000 By the way, speaking of which, I watched Happy Gilmore 2 last night.

00:13:04.000 It's fucking hilarious.

00:13:05.000 I like it too.

00:13:06.000 I just watched it.

00:13:07.000 I love Adam Sandler.

00:13:09.000 I love those movies.

00:13:10.000 Because you know exactly what you're going to get.

00:13:12.000 They're always fun.

00:13:13.000 Like, critics hate him, but it's more information that you get that critics suck.

00:13:18.000 I love them too.

00:13:19.000 I think he's great.

00:13:19.000 They're great.

00:13:20.000 I think he's great.

00:13:20.000 They're fucking funny.

00:13:21.000 He's great.

00:13:21.000 And what I love about him is he doesn't care, and he just keeps moving with what he wants to do.

00:13:26.000 With his people.

00:13:27.000 He has a group of people that he loves and that are creative and then he just keeps going with it.

00:13:31.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 And I think he's very funny anyway.

00:13:33.000 He's very funny.

00:13:34.000 I saw his stand-up live in Vegas once.

00:13:37.000 Him and Rob Schneider, they killed.

00:13:38.000 It was really fun.

00:13:39.000 I hadn't seen Adam in forever.

00:13:40.000 I hadn't seen him since we did Zookeeper together, which was like, it had to be like 15 years ago, somewhere around then.

00:13:52.000 So he's got the same people that he always works with.

00:13:55.000 He's got the same directors he always works with.

00:13:58.000 He's always working with Spade and Schneider and all the guys he knows.

00:14:01.000 So it's like real fun on the set.

00:14:03.000 Everybody's friendly.

00:14:05.000 Same as Kevin James.

00:14:06.000 Kevin James rocks it the exact same way.

00:14:08.000 You go to his set.

00:14:09.000 Everybody's friendly.

00:14:10.000 Everybody's having fun.

00:14:11.000 There's no weird fucking ego bullshit with the actors.

00:14:16.000 Everybody's pals.

00:14:17.000 They're all pals.

00:14:18.000 They all write for each other.

00:14:19.000 So they're all sitting around like the, when they're, when we're doing table reads, everyone's laughing, cracking jokes.

00:14:24.000 They're adding lines.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:26.000 Good times.

00:14:27.000 Good times.

00:14:28.000 And that's how you make the best stuff.

00:14:29.000 Is the best stuff?

00:14:30.000 When it's loose and playful and fun and everybody can be creative and there's no weirdness there.

00:14:34.000 The enemy of comedy is tension.

00:14:36.000 Always.

00:14:37.000 Like the tension you have between co-workers.

00:14:40.000 This is like, you know, Phil Hartman told me that Saturday Night Live was like the most stressful thing that he ever did in his life because there was so much tension because everybody behind the scene was backstabbing everybody.

00:14:51.000 That's nuts.

00:14:52.000 And Brewer says the same thing.

00:14:53.000 You ever heard Brewer talk about it?

00:14:54.000 Brewer's a good dude, man.

00:14:55.000 He's the best.

00:14:56.000 He's really a good guy.

00:14:58.000 I was on the road with him a little bit.

00:14:59.000 He's a really good guy.

00:15:00.000 And very like the quintessential theater act.

00:15:03.000 Like you see him in a theater.

00:15:05.000 I go watch him after I was done with my set and it's like he fills the space.

00:15:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:12.000 He's a great theater actor.

00:15:13.000 Right.

00:15:13.000 He's a big act.

00:15:14.000 Right.

00:15:14.000 Yes.

00:15:15.000 Like the big stage is actually great for his act.

00:15:17.000 But he murders in clubs.

00:15:19.000 He'll murder in an arena.

00:15:20.000 He's old school.

00:15:21.000 He's a great person too.

00:15:23.000 Like what I love about him is like he had no desire to be like super famous, no desire.

00:15:29.000 All he wanted to do is kill.

00:15:30.000 All he wanted to do is be great at comedy and just live in his own world.

00:15:34.000 He lived in Jersey in a nice suburban community, just chilled.

00:15:38.000 Didn't need fancy cars or any bullshit.

00:15:41.000 He just loves being funny.

00:15:43.000 I love that.

00:15:44.000 I love the idea of just like waking up every day and it's like, how can I be better?

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 I love that.

00:15:49.000 You know who's the best at that?

00:15:50.000 Attel.

00:15:51.000 Attel.

00:15:52.000 And maybe the best comic alive.

00:15:53.000 And maybe one of the, I mean, in my book, top five, top six of all time.

00:15:58.000 Yes, for sure.

00:15:59.000 And he's effortless.

00:16:00.000 Yes.

00:16:01.000 Effortless.

00:16:01.000 But he's always working on his act, which is kind of torturous.

00:16:05.000 It's a torturous thing.

00:16:07.000 If you're always tinkering, you're always working on it and it's like, it's never done.

00:16:12.000 It's always like you're in the mix.

00:16:13.000 You're like, I don't know.

00:16:14.000 And it's like, if that's what you love to do, then it's great.

00:16:19.000 It's like you have to teach yourself that that's what you love to do.

00:16:21.000 Right.

00:16:22.000 Instead of like, God, I can't wait till this hour is ready.

00:16:24.000 Like right now, I really only have like 40 minutes.

00:16:27.000 Maybe I could do 45.

00:16:28.000 I could do like 45 minutes, which is like a year after my special.

00:16:32.000 But once you get it down, it's sloppy.

00:16:37.000 There's some shit in there that like needs some work.

00:16:39.000 But then you have, like, even if you're going to go back and make corrections on it, you have the scaffolding for it, which is very important.

00:16:45.000 It's like the scaffolding.

00:16:46.000 It's like that kind of hard stuff is done.

00:16:48.000 Not that new stuff won't come in.

00:16:49.000 It might still come in, but you have the scaffolding for it now.

00:16:53.000 That's exactly how I describe it.

00:16:55.000 I'm so glad you said it that way.

00:16:56.000 That's what all joke structure is like scaffolding, and then inside you put the funny.

00:17:01.000 You have to have a premise, a thing you think is ridiculous, and then that's your scaffolding.

00:17:05.000 And then it's all your perspectives on it.

00:17:07.000 Right, right.

00:17:08.000 You know who was the best at that?

00:17:09.000 Richard Jenny.

00:17:11.000 I was just thinking about him this morning.

00:17:13.000 I was just thinking about him in terms of a comic that I don't know if you knew him or not, but like I watched him as a kid and he blew me away with how good he was.

00:17:22.000 And then I talked to Wattel in New York.

00:17:22.000 He was so good.

00:17:24.000 He's like, he was the guy.

00:17:25.000 He was really the guy.

00:17:25.000 He was the guy.

00:17:26.000 In the 1980s, he was the guy.

00:17:28.000 I apologize if you've heard me tell the story before, people.

00:17:31.000 But he worked at Eastside Comedy Club and he was there for the weekend.

00:17:35.000 And I went there on Sunday.

00:17:37.000 And this dude, Pete, who was the MC, was depressed.

00:17:40.000 I go, why are you depressed?

00:17:42.000 He goes, because Richard Jenny did a totally different hour.

00:17:45.000 Both shows Friday and both shows Saturday.

00:17:48.000 Never repeated a joke and fucking murdered.

00:17:50.000 And he goes, and I want to quit comedy.

00:17:52.000 That's insane.

00:17:53.000 That's insane.

00:17:54.000 Yeah, people like that will frustrate you.

00:17:55.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 Pete was a comic.

00:17:57.000 But watching him as a kid, I was like, this is the, because we're Italians.

00:18:00.000 Yep.

00:18:00.000 So we're watching it as, but he's funny no matter what.

00:18:03.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 But just especially from being an Italian family and watching him, I'm like, this is the funniest thing.

00:18:08.000 We were dying.

00:18:09.000 We'd quote him.

00:18:09.000 He was so good.

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:10.000 He was so good.

00:18:11.000 And you had to see him live.

00:18:12.000 It's one of those things, like you see, he's got some great specials.

00:18:16.000 A steaming pile of me is great.

00:18:19.000 Clatypus Man.

00:18:20.000 That's great.

00:18:20.000 And his first one was The Boy from New York City.

00:18:22.000 That's great too.

00:18:23.000 It's a great one.

00:18:24.000 He has that Jaws story of being on the road and being so bored and watching Johnny Jaws.

00:18:30.000 Jaws just hits you in the face with how stupid it is.

00:18:32.000 It's such a great bit, and it's so punched up all the way through.

00:18:36.000 And I just, I absolutely love that.

00:18:38.000 He was the best, what I was getting at, as maximizing the scaffolding.

00:18:42.000 He would take a bit, and he would find every possible angle.

00:18:46.000 And right when you thought he was done, it would get funnier.

00:18:48.000 It would go deeper and funnier and more ridiculous.

00:18:51.000 And there'd be callbacks.

00:18:52.000 And he was so good, but he fucking hated the fact that he wasn't Jim Carrey.

00:18:56.000 He hated the fact that he wasn't a movie star.

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00:20:11.000 He wanted to be a sitcom star, so he did a show on UPN, Pilatipus Man, same as a special.

00:20:17.000 They called it that.

00:20:19.000 And then that didn't, UPN was like, it was a new network and nobody was watching it.

00:20:24.000 It was one of those things.

00:20:25.000 It's like, if you had a show there, it's like, now you can't have a show on NBC.

00:20:30.000 It's not that good.

00:20:31.000 And the network's not getting any eyes.

00:20:33.000 Exactly.

00:20:33.000 But it was okay.

00:20:34.000 You know, it lasted a little bit.

00:20:35.000 And then he did the mask with Jim Carrey.

00:20:37.000 He did some other stuff.

00:20:39.000 He was good.

00:20:39.000 And now he's a good actor.

00:20:40.000 He's a good actor, but he didn't have the classic good looks that would, not that you need him.

00:20:45.000 Like, look at Rodney.

00:20:46.000 He didn't have it either.

00:20:47.000 Or John Lovis didn't have it either.

00:20:49.000 But it's like he wanted to be a movie star, and he was bummed out that he was on the road all the time.

00:20:54.000 And I would, every time I would do radio, you know, there was always like the guy that would drive you.

00:20:58.000 And I would be like, who's the most miserable fuck you ever have to drive?

00:21:01.000 And they all said Richard Chen.

00:21:02.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:03.000 They all said that.

00:21:04.000 No.

00:21:04.000 It was me.

00:21:05.000 It was like a stake in my heart.

00:21:07.000 No, he's the best.

00:21:09.000 There's got to be an opposite.

00:21:11.000 You're the funniest guy.

00:21:13.000 There's got to be an opposite to that.

00:21:14.000 Exactly.

00:21:15.000 There's a disdain and then anger and frustration, but it led him to be a fucking genius comedian, man.

00:21:22.000 And no one talks about him anymore.

00:21:24.000 I don't feel like anyone talks about him.

00:21:26.000 I try to carry the torch.

00:21:27.000 I really do.

00:21:28.000 Because he affected me a lot when I was a kid.

00:21:31.000 I remember I used to kind of, one time I was an open micer, and I found myself, I physically got sick.

00:21:37.000 I was like, oh, no.

00:21:38.000 I sounded exactly like him on stage.

00:21:41.000 Like I was copying him.

00:21:42.000 I was like, oh, no, don't do that.

00:21:43.000 But it's just because I loved him so much.

00:21:45.000 He was such a fan.

00:21:45.000 Right, right.

00:21:46.000 But as soon as that happens, it goes, I got to stop listening to this guy.

00:21:49.000 I got to get away from him.

00:21:50.000 I got to stop listening to him.

00:21:51.000 Exactly.

00:21:52.000 Exactly.

00:21:52.000 But it was just, I just wanted to be him.

00:21:55.000 I admired him so much.

00:21:56.000 I wanted to be like him.

00:21:57.000 But that's such a great thing with the scaffolding and it's like punched up all the way through and then just walking up there and knowing it's like, I'm about to let this loose on this crowd.

00:22:06.000 And it's like watching them react to it.

00:22:08.000 It's like they're doubled over and you just keep coming at.

00:22:11.000 It's like when you're fight, if you're fighting somebody like a boxer, like a Pacquiao in his prime, where he'd turn you, he'd hit you three times, turn you, hit you three times, turn you, and then hit you three more.

00:22:21.000 And you're like, I can't move.

00:22:24.000 Like there's no defense to this.

00:22:26.000 So that's what that's what that is like is like just keep coming with punches, punches, punches, punches.

00:22:31.000 And I love a big chunk like that.

00:22:35.000 Like one of my favorite bits of the last few years, Brian Simpson has this bit about the song Wet Ass Pussy, but it goes all the way back to Queen Elizabeth.

00:22:45.000 It's like this amazing long bit.

00:22:47.000 I don't want to ruin it, but the end of it is fucking, he wraps it up with a bow.

00:22:51.000 It's his closer.

00:22:52.000 It's so good.

00:22:53.000 I love it.

00:22:54.000 I would like leave the green room when I knew he was going to close just so I could watch the wet ass pussy.

00:22:58.000 I would ask him to do it, please.

00:23:00.000 I'd go, please do the wet ass pussy bet, please.

00:23:02.000 Because it was such a, it's like a poly.

00:23:05.000 But Brian's a real writer.

00:23:07.000 Brian sits down and writes, which is one of the things that I always try to tell young guys.

00:23:12.000 I'm like, I know you like to write on stage.

00:23:14.000 I know you write when you're with your friends.

00:23:15.000 I know you come up with great premises and you work them out on stage.

00:23:18.000 But that extra step of sitting down and writing is fucking critical, man.

00:23:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:23.000 It's big.

00:23:24.000 It's big because you can get stuff there that you wouldn't get.

00:23:27.000 Right.

00:23:27.000 And it's got to be a routine.

00:23:29.000 Yep.

00:23:29.000 It's like get up, do whatever you do, stretch.

00:23:33.000 And then that's what I do now.

00:23:34.000 There's like stretch and then delay coffee.

00:23:37.000 That's another big thing I'm trying is to delay coffee.

00:23:39.000 Get, because the gym is in the building, get a workout first, right out of bed, and then come back up, cold shower, and then get a cup of coffee and then write.

00:23:51.000 Do that cold shower first, dude.

00:23:52.000 Do that cold shower right away.

00:23:54.000 And then you won't even need the coffee.

00:23:55.000 You'll be like, yeah.

00:23:58.000 Woo!

00:23:59.000 And then write into a workout.

00:24:00.000 And then go right into a workout.

00:24:01.000 And then a hot shower after?

00:24:03.000 I do sauna after the workout.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 Sure.

00:24:05.000 That's what I usually do.

00:24:06.000 That's great.

00:24:07.000 That's the most important thing.

00:24:07.000 Yeah.

00:24:08.000 I used to do steam room when I was at the gym.

00:24:10.000 Steamroom's okay, but the problem with steam rooms, you really can't get it as hot because dry air won't like scald your skin.

00:24:16.000 Like wet air will poach you.

00:24:19.000 If you do 195 degrees wet, you're going to get burned.

00:24:22.000 Like it's going to literally poach you like an egg.

00:24:25.000 But you can do 195 dry in a sauna.

00:24:28.000 And that's why I don't know much about the infrared saunas.

00:24:32.000 I don't think there's the same amount of data on them.

00:24:34.000 It's definitely better than doing nothing.

00:24:36.000 But I think that the real sauna, like we have a salouse sauna in the back here, that motherfucker will go up to 210, 215 if you wanted to.

00:24:43.000 Wow.

00:24:44.000 And that dry sauna is where all the research from Finland comes out.

00:24:48.000 They did, over 20 years, they found that if you do the sauna four times a week for 20 minutes at 175 degrees, it's a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality.

00:25:00.000 Didn't they do that?

00:25:00.000 Was a study in Italy?

00:25:02.000 They did a study of Italians who were doing sauna and it was something similar to that.

00:25:06.000 It's all similar because it's all great for reduction of inflammation, increase of red blood cells.

00:25:12.000 It has like a mild EPO effect on your endurance.

00:25:15.000 Like one of the things that I've done, like every time I've been injured where I couldn't do cardio, I just did sauna every day.

00:25:19.000 And I'd go back to cardio and it was not that much of a drop-off.

00:25:22.000 Not like it used to be.

00:25:24.000 Like it used to be like if I got hurt, I couldn't hit the bag.

00:25:28.000 I couldn't do cardio for a while.

00:25:29.000 And then I would go back to doing it like, oh, God, I'm so out of shape.

00:25:34.000 So that drop-off doesn't happen as much, not nearly as much if you do sauna every day.

00:25:38.000 And all like the Eastern Block, Dan Gable told me that that was something that he learned in his wrestling days.

00:25:43.000 That all the Eastern Block guys were all doing sauna after training.

00:25:43.000 Wow.

00:25:46.000 And it's essentially like static cardio.

00:25:49.000 So like I wear a whoopstrap and I'll go in the sauna after training and I'll look at my app and I'm at 145 beats per minute just sitting there because I'll go straight from working out.

00:26:00.000 So like I'll do rounds on the bag and then heart rate elevated, go right in the sauna and it keeps your heart rate up.

00:26:07.000 Wow.

00:26:07.000 Because you're fucking struggling.

00:26:09.000 You're struggling.

00:26:10.000 Your body's struggling because it's already overheated from the workout, and then your body's in 195 degrees, and your heart's just pounding.

00:26:16.000 But it's like static cardio.

00:26:18.000 That's really something, it's really good for you.

00:26:21.000 And then I stretch in there, which is the best.

00:26:23.000 That is great.

00:26:24.000 Stretch.

00:26:24.000 I used to do Bikram.

00:26:26.000 Oh, that's great.

00:26:26.000 Yeah, I used to do it, and I want to get back into it now that I'm not paying for a gym.

00:26:30.000 That's what you should do.

00:26:31.000 That's what you should do.

00:26:31.000 I want to do that, and I want to go back to boxing.

00:26:33.000 I used to do boxing.

00:26:34.000 A bunch of comics went to boxing in New York, and we took a class together.

00:26:38.000 A little bit to the body, but nothing.

00:26:41.000 He just took us through the training.

00:26:43.000 And I mean, I wrestled a little bit in college, and I got to say, the training was very, very, that's why I liked it.

00:26:49.000 It was very, very tough.

00:26:50.000 It was very hard.

00:26:51.000 Boxing's tough.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, I mean, but a lot of the boxing training for civilians isn't.

00:26:56.000 But this guy, his name is Steve Frank.

00:26:59.000 He put us through it.

00:27:00.000 And it's like, it's, it was, he was like, would not let up.

00:27:05.000 After an hour, you're like, oh, my God.

00:27:07.000 It's like, you got to get used to it.

00:27:08.000 You can't be on the road to it because you got to get used to it.

00:27:10.000 Because if you don't get used to it, then it shoots your whole day.

00:27:13.000 You're exhausted for the rest of the day.

00:27:14.000 It's like, I can't do anything.

00:27:15.000 I get, you know, that shit shape.

00:27:15.000 That spots.

00:27:18.000 That's like, I always avoid doing leg days on days I do stand-up.

00:27:23.000 And I've done it before where I've done leg days, and then I go on stage that night, and I'm always like struggling.

00:27:30.000 It's just too hard.

00:27:31.000 It's too much of a burden on your entire system.

00:27:34.000 Right, right.

00:27:34.000 You know, squats and lunges and pulling the sled and all that shit.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:39.000 At the end of it.

00:27:40.000 Like, this suffering is, it's like a Goggins thing where it's like this suffering.

00:27:40.000 But it feels good.

00:27:45.000 Like put yourself in an uncomfortable situation every day.

00:27:48.000 And then when you come out of it, it just feels so good.

00:27:52.000 I try to tell that to everybody.

00:27:53.000 I'm like, I know it sucks, but please do it.

00:27:55.000 It'll make the rest of your life suck less.

00:27:57.000 It really will.

00:27:58.000 And you don't have to do what I do.

00:28:00.000 You could just, I mean, just put a weighted vest on and go walk around your block.

00:28:03.000 You don't have to do that.

00:28:04.000 It's not that hard.

00:28:05.000 You just have to do something.

00:28:06.000 Something.

00:28:06.000 Just do something that sucks.

00:28:08.000 Do 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 bodyweight squats every day.

00:28:11.000 Do that.

00:28:12.000 It's not that hard.

00:28:13.000 Do it in sets of, if you can't do 20, do it in sets of 10.

00:28:16.000 Just do 10 sets of 10 for the push-ups.

00:28:18.000 Build up to it.

00:28:20.000 Tell yourself, you're going to do 20 today, 20 this week.

00:28:23.000 Next week, you're going to do 25.

00:28:24.000 Then before you know it, you're doing 100.

00:28:26.000 Right.

00:28:26.000 Just do that.

00:28:27.000 Just do fucking something.

00:28:29.000 Something.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, and you feel so good after it.

00:28:31.000 That's the whole thing.

00:28:32.000 And that's the time I try to time it with when I'm writing because it's like you want to feel all, you want to feel that energy while you're writing.

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 I do my best writing late at night.

00:28:43.000 I do my best writing when everyone's asleep.

00:28:44.000 That's another secret where it's like the guys who write after the set.

00:28:48.000 Yes.

00:28:49.000 Yes.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 That's a, that's a secret where it's like, I'm done.

00:28:51.000 I'm going to watch.

00:28:52.000 I'm going to de-escalate now and go to sleep.

00:28:54.000 Especially on the road, you're doing an hour, two shows.

00:28:56.000 You're doing an hour, two shows, and then you come back.

00:28:58.000 You're like, all right, I want to de.

00:29:00.000 I traveled all day.

00:29:01.000 I want to de-escalate to go to sleep.

00:29:02.000 It's like, you know, trick yourself a little bit.

00:29:04.000 Let me just look at these notes.

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:06.000 Let me just look at the notes that I have on the set that I just did.

00:29:08.000 It doesn't suck.

00:29:09.000 That's the crazy thing about it.

00:29:11.000 It doesn't suck to do.

00:29:12.000 It's not like you hate it.

00:29:13.000 It's not like painful.

00:29:14.000 No.

00:29:15.000 But you avoid it.

00:29:16.000 You avoid it.

00:29:17.000 Yeah.

00:29:18.000 You avoid it because you're like, now I did it.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:20.000 I'm done.

00:29:21.000 I want to go to sleep.

00:29:22.000 It's like, nah, just take another, just check in on it.

00:29:24.000 Just check in on the act.

00:29:25.000 Even 20 minutes, you might yield one of your best punchlines.

00:29:28.000 It's just like every now and then, like the universe will reward you if you put in that work.

00:29:33.000 You just sit down and put in that work.

00:29:35.000 I think that's with fucking everything in the world.

00:29:37.000 Everything.

00:29:38.000 I was watching this video today on Usik's training on Alexander Usik, who's just, did you see that fight?

00:29:44.000 Jesus Christ, dude.

00:29:45.000 I mean, he's one of the best of all time.

00:29:47.000 One of the absolute best heavyweights that's ever lived.

00:29:50.000 The thing that was remarkable about, and I agree, the thing that's remarkable about that fight is Dubois came out the first round and was aggressive.

00:29:58.000 And I'm like, oh, right.

00:29:59.000 Dubois is fucking dangerous.

00:30:01.000 It's coming, dude.

00:30:02.000 And he's like, this is an opportunity and I'm not going to lose it.

00:30:05.000 And Usik felt that.

00:30:08.000 They said between rounds, he felt it.

00:30:09.000 And he's like, okay, okay, I can't let this guy get confidence.

00:30:13.000 So he stepped in the center of the ring and just started countering him and not giving up any more ground.

00:30:18.000 Yeah, and cutting these angles.

00:30:21.000 He just downloads what you're doing and starts adding in feints.

00:30:25.000 And, you know, Joshua said that when he trained, when he fought him rather, that at the last round, he had never been more tired in his life.

00:30:31.000 He just couldn't believe how tired Usak makes you because he's constantly fainting and moving.

00:30:36.000 So I watched his training routine today.

00:30:39.000 Jesus Christ, man.

00:30:40.000 Like, no wonder he's in the same shape.

00:30:43.000 He would swim sometimes for five hours a day.

00:30:46.000 Five hours of just laps in the pool.

00:30:50.000 He would do, he starts his day at 4.30 in the morning.

00:30:54.000 So 4.30 in the morning, he gets up, eats breakfast, and has his first training at 5.

00:30:58.000 At 5, it's all conditioning.

00:31:01.000 It's all like running, rowing, biking, takes a break, eats again, takes a little nap, back in the gym again in like two hours.

00:31:11.000 And then he's sparring, boxing, doing all that workout, then eats, takes a break, relaxes a little bit.

00:31:18.000 Evening session is boxing.

00:31:20.000 And evening session, he's sparring.

00:31:22.000 He's, you know, he's hitting mitts.

00:31:23.000 He's hitting the bag.

00:31:25.000 Gets up in the morning and does it all over again.

00:31:27.000 And it's like, it's all like this.

00:31:29.000 That's that reverse effort that I was just showing you.

00:31:31.000 That's crazy.

00:31:32.000 That's the machine that Louis Simmons created that is fucking phenomenal for your lower back.

00:31:37.000 It decompresses your back actively on the downswing and strengthens it on the upswing.

00:31:42.000 And Louis, who was a genius, who was one of the only guys we ever traveled to do a podcast with.

00:31:47.000 Oh, really?

00:31:48.000 Yeah, it's like, I got to get this guy on film.

00:31:51.000 He's like a legitimate strength genius.

00:31:54.000 And he developed that machine because he had a bulging disc.

00:31:59.000 And they were like, oh, you got to get your disc fused because he was a powerlifter.

00:32:02.000 Fucking complete maniac.

00:32:03.000 Complete psychopath on steroids his whole life.

00:32:06.000 He was an amazing person.

00:32:07.000 And he was like, that doesn't make any sense.

00:32:10.000 If compression is what the problem was, decompression will fix it.

00:32:14.000 And he devised that machine to actively decompress on the downswing.

00:32:19.000 So strengthening all the tissue around that and then decompressing it on the downswing.

00:32:24.000 He must have had like a, did he have some kind of an engineering background?

00:32:24.000 Wow, that makes sense.

00:32:28.000 He must have to create that.

00:32:30.000 There's Louis, the fucking man.

00:32:32.000 To create that thing.

00:32:33.000 Such a fun guy to talk to, too.

00:32:35.000 He's just such a fucking psychopath, an intelligent psychopath.

00:32:39.000 And look at his back.

00:32:41.000 West side rules.

00:32:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:43.000 Swords and knives and shit.

00:32:46.000 Just a fun, fun dude.

00:32:47.000 But genius when it came to strength and conditioning.

00:32:50.000 I mean, so many guys like MMA fighters went and traded with him.

00:32:56.000 Matt the Immortal Brown did a lot of training with him and then, you know, used a lot of his stuff with, you know, Matt sells equipment now too.

00:33:03.000 It's a lot of the stuff that he worked on with Louie.

00:33:06.000 But it's like, you know, he'd have all these guys that were like these world champion lifters.

00:33:11.000 I mean, these guys are fucking gorillas.

00:33:14.000 Gorillas, man.

00:33:14.000 Big shaved head gorillas.

00:33:17.000 But Louie was the man.

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00:34:29.000 And he, so that machine he devised just specifically for that.

00:34:33.000 But Usik's training, a lot of it is like ladderboard, you know, on the ground, you know, the ladder where you're doing the steps.

00:34:40.000 It's like constant shuffling back and forth, spinning.

00:34:43.000 It's all these punches with medicine balls.

00:34:46.000 It's like when you watch him train, it makes sense because he's training specifically to move differently than everybody else does.

00:34:53.000 It's all these constant movements and switches and angles and strength.

00:34:58.000 And, you know, he's a legit heavyweight now.

00:35:00.000 He's 227 for the Dua fight.

00:35:02.000 And, you know, this is coming from a guy who was the undisputed cruiserweight champion.

00:35:06.000 So he's a small heavyweight, but the best heavyweights were small, except for Foreman and a couple other guys.

00:35:12.000 Like Tyson was small.

00:35:13.000 Ali was not big.

00:35:15.000 He's exactly the same size as Ali when Ali was in his prime.

00:35:18.000 Holyfield.

00:35:19.000 Holyfield was not big.

00:35:19.000 Holyfield came this way.

00:35:20.000 But he unified that cruiserweight division.

00:35:24.000 He didn't get any gifts.

00:35:25.000 He went around and unified it and then moved up and then unified.

00:35:25.000 Nope.

00:35:30.000 I mean, it's just.

00:35:35.000 How many weeks is that training camp?

00:35:37.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:35:38.000 I mean, it has to be three months plus.

00:35:39.000 I mean, I would imagine the most difficult opponent for him is Tyson Fury because Tyson Fury is 6'9.

00:35:45.000 He is an incredible boxer.

00:35:47.000 He's one of the best boxers of all time, regardless of any division.

00:35:50.000 Just skillful.

00:35:51.000 Tyson Fury is a skillful boxer.

00:35:54.000 He's slick and intelligent.

00:35:56.000 And, you know, people talk about like, what's next for Usik?

00:35:58.000 Should it be Joseph Parker?

00:36:00.000 Joseph Parker deserves it.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, that would be a great fight.

00:36:02.000 But what I want to see before the hay is in the barn, I want to see one more.

00:36:07.000 One more Tyson Fury.

00:36:08.000 Because Fury's the only one that's given him problems, the only one that came close.

00:36:12.000 He hurt him to the body a bunch of times in this fight.

00:36:14.000 He was lighting him up with a jab.

00:36:16.000 You know, those fights were close.

00:36:18.000 They were close.

00:36:18.000 They were very close.

00:36:19.000 I mean, Usyk almost stopped him in the first fight.

00:36:22.000 And I think it was the ninth round.

00:36:24.000 He could have.

00:36:25.000 And he pulled back when the referee was calling it a knockdown where he could have caught him one or two more times.

00:36:31.000 And that would have been a wrap.

00:36:34.000 But other than that, no one has given Usik's the problem that Tyson Fury's given him.

00:36:39.000 And I think you give Tyson one more shot at it where, I mean, he's training now.

00:36:43.000 I know he's posting up a lot of stuff about his times.

00:36:45.000 Like he's doing a lot of endurance work now.

00:36:48.000 So he's geared up.

00:36:49.000 He's going to have a fight before.

00:36:50.000 He's got to have another fight.

00:36:51.000 He's going to have to.

00:36:52.000 Nah, right into the fucking car.

00:36:54.000 This guy's a veteran.

00:36:55.000 He's been doing it forever.

00:36:56.000 Right into the Fury.

00:36:57.000 Right into the fire, rather.

00:36:58.000 See, I want to see Fury and Joshua.

00:37:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:00.000 That's an all-England.

00:37:02.000 Oh, I'd love to see that, too.

00:37:03.000 I'd love to see that.

00:37:04.000 would sell out like Wembley.

00:37:05.000 They're talking about doing...

00:37:09.000 It kept, you know, they were supposed to fight.

00:37:11.000 They thought they were on a, you know, and the money was never right or something.

00:37:14.000 But now with like Turkey Al-Ashik in the mix, you know.

00:37:18.000 Well, if they decided to do Parker versus Usuk, which is a great fight, I think that would be the fight that they would have underneath that.

00:37:25.000 That would be amazing, Tyson and Joshua.

00:37:27.000 But they're talking right now about doing Anthony Joshua Jake Paul.

00:37:31.000 I know.

00:37:31.000 I saw that.

00:37:32.000 Jake Paul apparently wants that fight.

00:37:35.000 And he agreed to, I think it was 99% to one, where Joshua gets 99% of the money and he gets 1%.

00:37:44.000 See if that's true.

00:37:46.000 I believe I read that online.

00:37:48.000 That might be just some shenanigans.

00:37:49.000 But look, regardless of what you think about Jake Paul.

00:37:53.000 I think Jake Paul's a great athlete.

00:37:57.000 I don't know if him or Logan placed in states in Ohio in wrestling.

00:38:01.000 It may seem like nothing to people on a national level, but if you're placing in states in Ohio, you're a great athlete.

00:38:07.000 Both of them are great athletes.

00:38:08.000 People think they're jokes because they were famous when they were kids.

00:38:12.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:38:14.000 Like Mario Lopez.

00:38:15.000 People look at Mario Lopez like Mario Lopez is like saved by the bell guy.

00:38:19.000 No, Mario Lopez can box.

00:38:20.000 He can fight.

00:38:21.000 He does Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

00:38:22.000 He's a very good wrestler.

00:38:23.000 I don't know if you've ever seen that guy that does I'll give you a thousand dollars if you could take me down.

00:38:28.000 Have you ever seen that guy?

00:38:29.000 I love that guy.

00:38:30.000 That guy's from my high school in Ohio.

00:38:31.000 What is his name?

00:38:32.000 I don't know.

00:38:33.000 I forget his name.

00:38:34.000 Something Greek, but like he's a guy who, he was a Ohio State champ and maybe a runner-up his senior year.

00:38:42.000 And then he went to Cleveland State and was just a guy who was like, I don't think he did anything in college really, but the way he wrestles, I could see by the way he wrestles, and it's a good video series.

00:38:53.000 It's just like very smooth.

00:38:55.000 Very smooth.

00:38:56.000 He's very, very talented.

00:38:57.000 Oh, he's super talented.

00:38:58.000 Point is, Mario Lopez wrestled him and gave him a fucking great scramble.

00:39:04.000 That's really something.

00:39:05.000 A bunch of great roles.

00:39:07.000 A bunch.

00:39:07.000 That was great.

00:39:08.000 Mario Lopez is legit, like really legit.

00:39:11.000 And you could say, fuck the save by the bell pussy.

00:39:13.000 I'll fucking smack him.

00:39:14.000 That dude will fuck you up, man.

00:39:17.000 You can say all that until you get into it with him.

00:39:18.000 Giorgio Polis.

00:39:20.000 That's his shout out to Giorgio.

00:39:22.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:39:23.000 Because that guy wrestles dudes way bigger than him.

00:39:25.000 So check out this Mario one.

00:39:26.000 I love that.

00:39:27.000 So, by the way, Mario Lopez is in his fucking 50s.

00:39:30.000 I didn't see this one.

00:39:31.000 He's in his 50s.

00:39:33.000 Now, watch this.

00:39:34.000 Scoot ahead a little so you can see some of this.

00:39:38.000 Scoot ahead.

00:39:39.000 Here we go.

00:39:40.000 Mario can fucking wrestle, dude.

00:39:42.000 Like, legit wrestle and scramble and avoid takedowns.

00:39:46.000 Oh, you got him there.

00:39:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:49.000 Look at this.

00:39:50.000 Mario shoots in on a single.

00:39:52.000 Like, that's some good scramble.

00:39:53.000 And again, in his fucking 50s, man.

00:39:55.000 That's great.

00:39:56.000 He's also competing in jiu-jitsu, and I know he's won jiu-jitsu matches.

00:40:02.000 Like, these are good fucking scrambles, man.

00:40:06.000 Legit.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:40:08.000 I love watching this series, too.

00:40:10.000 No, the dude's good.

00:40:11.000 And he's done it with some national champions and a bunch of people.

00:40:14.000 He always does an interview beforehand.

00:40:15.000 It's like, what discipline are you from?

00:40:17.000 How many years?

00:40:18.000 And then he's like, what do you, from one to 10, 10 being, you're going to take me down?

00:40:22.000 What do you think that the odds are that you take me down?

00:40:24.000 A lot of them say 10.

00:40:25.000 A lot of them say 10, dude.

00:40:26.000 And some of them are really big guys.

00:40:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:40:28.000 It just goes to show you it's like, that guy's tough and he's a technician.

00:40:32.000 Well, that's the whole thing about grappling.

00:40:35.000 It's technique.

00:40:36.000 It's everything.

00:40:37.000 It's in jujitsu and judo and everything.

00:40:40.000 It's just about technique.

00:40:41.000 This is great old judo clip of this guy.

00:40:45.000 I mean, I want to say he was in his 70s at the time.

00:40:48.000 And it's a black and white film of all his younger black belts rolling with him, like doing standing, I don't know what they call it, standing judo practice.

00:40:58.000 And he's like effortlessly avoiding these takedowns with balance and technique.

00:41:03.000 It doesn't ever look like he's like exploding or really using a lot of force and just flips these guys to the ground.

00:41:10.000 It's gorgeous to watch.

00:41:11.000 It's just like, my goodness.

00:41:13.000 Because you know, you're looking at that guy like there's no, that guy's not a brute.

00:41:16.000 He's not some big giant 200-pound muscle guy.

00:41:19.000 Right, right.

00:41:19.000 Fucking super athlete.

00:41:21.000 He's just technique.

00:41:23.000 Just technically.

00:41:23.000 Nike and it's also, it's also, it's very loose.

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:27.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

00:41:29.000 It's like old judo guy trains with younger students.

00:41:33.000 And it's old.

00:41:34.000 It's like black and white.

00:41:35.000 I got the Jake Paul.

00:41:36.000 There's a lot of rumors that it says that 1991 was accepted on his side, but I can't find like where he said it.

00:41:42.000 Just like a lot of Instagram.

00:41:43.000 Maybe he doesn't care about the money.

00:41:45.000 Jake Paul probably doesn't care about the money.

00:41:47.000 He has plenty of money.

00:41:48.000 And if he won, oh my God, if he beat Anthony Joshua, good lord.

00:41:54.000 Good lord.

00:41:54.000 I mean, that's a big if, right?

00:41:56.000 Anthony Joshua, Olympic gold medalist, former heavyweight champion of the world.

00:42:00.000 What he did to Francis Singano, like good lord.

00:42:03.000 Do you want that, Smoke?

00:42:03.000 Yes.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, I just think it's all about the promotion or whatever.

00:42:07.000 I have no idea what the actual motivation is for it.

00:42:10.000 That fight's not competitive at all.

00:42:11.000 Well, it's a dangerous fight.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:13.000 Because Joshua's going to try to make an example out of him for sure.

00:42:16.000 And Will.

00:42:17.000 And Will.

00:42:17.000 I mean, Joshua's one of the biggest one-punch KO artists ever.

00:42:21.000 Yes.

00:42:22.000 I mean, he's a one-punch fucking night-night guy.

00:42:25.000 You know, he's a great boxer, you know, very skillful.

00:42:27.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 The Naganu fight, we all thought it's like Naganu with Fury.

00:42:30.000 It's like, wow, this guy's in the mix now.

00:42:33.000 He's in the mix.

00:42:34.000 Let's see what happens.

00:42:35.000 It's like, oh, okay.

00:42:37.000 That's what happened.

00:42:38.000 The difference is Fury, I think, underestimated him.

00:42:41.000 I think Fury took him super lightly.

00:42:43.000 He thought he was going to box his face off.

00:42:44.000 And that power that Francis has is legendary.

00:42:47.000 You know, Francis is like a character from a comic book.

00:42:51.000 You know, I mean, he lived in Cameroon and he worked in the sand mines when he was a boy.

00:42:55.000 It's like the Conan origin story.

00:42:57.000 Like digging sand as a boy.

00:42:57.000 Right.

00:42:59.000 Just fucking shh.

00:43:01.000 Well, hopefully he got paid for it.

00:43:02.000 He got paid for it.

00:43:03.000 Here's the guy.

00:43:04.000 Check out this old dude.

00:43:05.000 And I think this dude...

00:43:08.000 I think this dude might have been 90 at the time.

00:43:11.000 I'm not kidding.

00:43:11.000 I don't know how old he is.

00:43:13.000 How old does it say he is, Jamie?

00:43:18.000 He's old as shit.

00:43:19.000 However old he is, he's at least 70, and he looks to me like he's even older than that.

00:43:24.000 Look how he's avoiding this.

00:43:25.000 That's so relaxed, man.

00:43:28.000 Just the size of the guy that's trying to throw him, who's a judo black belt, who's towering over him.

00:43:34.000 Look at this.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:35.000 Bro, effortless.

00:43:36.000 I love that.

00:43:37.000 Effortless takedowns.

00:43:39.000 But it's, look at this guy.

00:43:41.000 Like, this guy hitting that hip throw and not getting any movement off that old dude at all.

00:43:45.000 Right.

00:43:46.000 And it's, look, the old dude's tiny.

00:43:48.000 He missed the tiny guy.

00:43:49.000 And everything he does is just super relaxed.

00:43:51.000 He just knows where to be where you can't throw him.

00:43:53.000 Look, look, steps in the right position.

00:43:55.000 He's not exploding.

00:43:57.000 He just anticipates your movements and meets you there.

00:44:00.000 It's like Judo, when you walk, look at that, man.

00:44:03.000 I mean, he just threw a dude that's twice his size.

00:44:07.000 He throws him like effortless.

00:44:09.000 It's kind of amazing, man.

00:44:11.000 It is.

00:44:12.000 And, you know, and you would think it's bullshit unless you've trained with a guy like that.

00:44:16.000 And then you go, wow, this is nuts, man.

00:44:18.000 It's just perfect execution of that kind of technique.

00:44:23.000 Right.

00:44:24.000 You know?

00:44:24.000 It's unreal.

00:44:25.000 And when you see it in wrestling, too, it's like you see guys who they chain moves together.

00:44:30.000 And as the guy's trying to do that, they're countering with this.

00:44:32.000 And next thing you know, they're on your back and you're down.

00:44:35.000 Like, my God.

00:44:36.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Such an underappreciated thing wrestling.

00:44:40.000 You know, in terms of the way we appreciate it.

00:44:43.000 I mean, I wrestle, but I was never that.

00:44:45.000 I was never like, could get that fluid.

00:44:48.000 You know, I mean, that fluid, it's really the guys who are like top-notch.

00:44:48.000 Right.

00:44:52.000 It doesn't matter what program you come from.

00:44:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:54.000 It's like you could see it.

00:44:55.000 You could see this guy, Giorgio, like he has it.

00:44:57.000 It's like the flow.

00:44:58.000 Like he'll shoot for something.

00:45:00.000 And if that doesn't, he'll see where the leg and he'll adjust on the fly.

00:45:05.000 It's like the improv of it is amazing.

00:45:07.000 Yeah, it's a really underappreciated sport in terms of like the way the public perceives sports.

00:45:12.000 Everybody loves basketball.

00:45:14.000 Everybody loves baseball.

00:45:15.000 We love all these sports.

00:45:16.000 And no one appreciates wrestling.

00:45:18.000 So it never had a professional outlet for whatever dumb reason other than MMA, where it dominates.

00:45:24.000 If you look at MMA, if you look at all the disciplines of all the champions of all time.

00:45:31.000 I think wrestling has a significant lead.

00:45:34.000 I think there's more athletes that came from wrestling that became world champions than any other discipline.

00:45:39.000 Well, before everybody started cross-training, I think our training was the model.

00:45:44.000 I might be wrong, but like our training, like wrestling practice was very hard.

00:45:48.000 When I was in even an eighth grade, I was like, this is unbelievably harder than anything I've ever experienced.

00:45:55.000 So I think everybody cross-trains now.

00:45:57.000 Everybody kind of trains like that, but we were the first where it's like you get in, it's like you warm up, and it's just military-like in its execution of practice.

00:46:06.000 You have to be in practice.

00:46:07.000 You're just wiped out at the end of practice.

00:46:09.000 And then you have to cut weight after that.

00:46:11.000 So then it's mental strength on top of that.

00:46:13.000 That's a giant factor with wrestling.

00:46:15.000 And one of the things about wrestlers is they revel in the fact that they suffer more than anybody else.

00:46:21.000 Yes.

00:46:22.000 They take it as a badge of courage.

00:46:24.000 It's like a badge of honor that they'll display.

00:46:27.000 Like Mike over there, he fucking suffers more than anybody.

00:46:29.000 That's why he wins.

00:46:30.000 Mike's a psycho.

00:46:31.000 He's up at 3 o'clock in the morning eating raw eggs.

00:46:35.000 Those are the guys that everyone was scared of.

00:46:37.000 But very few people have said wrestling is fun.

00:46:40.000 Like basketball is fun.

00:46:42.000 No one who's wrestled seriously is like, oh, it's fun.

00:46:45.000 It's like, it's not fun.

00:46:46.000 No.

00:46:46.000 Like the training is not fun.

00:46:49.000 It's painful and it's fun.

00:46:50.000 It's only fun if the guy you're wrestling sucks.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 And you train a lot.

00:46:56.000 I mean, winning is great.

00:46:56.000 That moment was a lot of fun.

00:46:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:59.000 But, you know, the actual process of going to practice.

00:47:02.000 It's like, I got to practice.

00:47:03.000 Like, I got to cut weight.

00:47:04.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 But it's one of the best character developers for young people.

00:47:07.000 Absolutely.

00:47:08.000 Absolutely.

00:47:08.000 The guys that I meet that are former wrestlers, competitive wrestlers, they're just a different kind of human being.

00:47:13.000 It's like military guys, like guys who've been through like Navy SEAL training.

00:47:18.000 There's a different kind of human.

00:47:21.000 You're dealing with a guy who can get through some shit that the average person is going to fold up under.

00:47:26.000 And if you can learn how to do that and overcome that desire to quit when you're a kid, oh, it's so valuable.

00:47:32.000 It's so valuable for the rest of your life.

00:47:35.000 And it helps if you're not very good.

00:47:35.000 Absolutely.

00:47:37.000 Yeah, right.

00:47:38.000 If you're also like on the fence and you have to work for everything, it's like because you're coming across all kinds of adversity and stuff and then you have to figure out.

00:47:46.000 And then, you know, I can speak from experience.

00:47:47.000 It's embarrassing to get pinned in a gym full of people.

00:47:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:51.000 It's not like losing a basketball game.

00:47:53.000 Even football, what I love, the camaraderie of football, it's not losing a football game.

00:47:57.000 Having your shoulder blades pinned down in front of everybody in a gymnasium is against your will.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, it's totally humid.

00:48:07.000 It's humiliating.

00:48:08.000 And the reality about fighting is if a guy can hold you down, he can beat you up.

00:48:12.000 That's just how it works.

00:48:14.000 This guy who's my same weight can pretty much do whatever he wants to make.

00:48:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:19.000 Take that home with you.

00:48:20.000 And when you go up, when I wrestled, I remember the difference between regular guys that would wrestle in meets.

00:48:27.000 Maulden, Massachusetts would wrestle against Newton and go to travel with them.

00:48:32.000 The difference between that and then getting in there with a state champion is like, oh, okay.

00:48:36.000 And then you hear these guys go to camps every summer and it's 24-7, 365.

00:48:41.000 They're always wrestling.

00:48:42.000 There's no wrestling season.

00:48:44.000 I'm like, oh, I'll never catch up.

00:48:45.000 It's so funny when you're in with a guy who's really good.

00:48:49.000 You're mentally preparing yourself.

00:48:51.000 It's like, I just got to take it tomb.

00:48:52.000 I just got to take a tomb.

00:48:53.000 I just got to go out there and be aggressive and take a tomb.

00:48:55.000 And then he's moving so fast that you're like, I just can't keep, I can't keep up with this guy.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, you have no chance.

00:49:02.000 And most people have no idea how helpless they are against a wrestler.

00:49:05.000 There's a horrible street fight video that I watched the other day where this guy, they square off in the street.

00:49:10.000 This guy takes a swing at this guy.

00:49:13.000 And this guy shoots in with a double, hoists this dude up into the air and power slams him on his head on the concrete and then punches him in the face a couple times where he's completely unconscious.

00:49:23.000 Then his buddies jump on him and it's a fucking melee.

00:49:26.000 Thank God for that.

00:49:28.000 His buddies pulling him off.

00:49:30.000 I think even that alone, man, you get a real powerful wrestler slams you on your head.

00:49:35.000 I mean, that's, you might not live.

00:49:37.000 I don't know what happened to that guy, but I looked at that.

00:49:40.000 I'm like, that guy could be dead.

00:49:42.000 Guys die all the time from getting knocked out in street fights.

00:49:45.000 Hitting their head.

00:49:46.000 Yeah.

00:49:46.000 That's how they die.

00:49:47.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 But that's another video.

00:49:49.000 It's like what happens afterwards.

00:49:51.000 Did you see that video from there's a Cleveland Jazz Festival?

00:49:54.000 Cincinnati?

00:49:55.000 Cincinnati?

00:49:56.000 Cincinnati Jazz Festival where this couple got jumped and this guy got beaten down and kicked and then the girl is trying to separate it and this guy punches the girl and KOs her and she falls and bangs her head on the ground and she's out cold with her eyes open.

00:50:10.000 It's fucking horrifying.

00:50:12.000 That's horrible to watch.

00:50:13.000 And people are screaming and cheering, kick his ass.

00:50:16.000 And unfortunately, it's a bunch of black people jumping two white people.

00:50:19.000 So it's even more problematic.

00:50:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:25.000 It's a horrible video, man, of the worst aspects of human nature.

00:50:28.000 This fucking desire to beat people up for no reason.

00:50:32.000 I don't know what the reason was.

00:50:33.000 I don't know what happened.

00:50:34.000 Those things are hard to watch.

00:50:34.000 Right.

00:50:35.000 You have to watch cute pet videos after that for you to get yourself back, you know, like a dog who befriends her cat.

00:50:43.000 I mean, as a man punched a woman right in the face and knocked her unconscious, and she bangs her head off the ground.

00:50:48.000 Her eyes are out wide open.

00:50:50.000 Oh, it's fucking horrible, man.

00:50:52.000 That kind of shit could affect you for the rest of your life.

00:50:55.000 I'm sure.

00:50:56.000 You might not ever be the same.

00:50:58.000 Like, traumatic brain injuries like that, there's people that never come back from those.

00:51:02.000 Right.

00:51:03.000 That's nuts.

00:51:05.000 That's nuts, man.

00:51:05.000 It's nuts, man.

00:51:06.000 You just can't go out.

00:51:09.000 Well, especially if it's a one-on-one fight, it's like, I don't like that whole shit talking back and forth.

00:51:15.000 It's like, fuck you, no, fuck you.

00:51:16.000 It's like, okay, are we going to, what's going to happen here?

00:51:19.000 Like, enough of this.

00:51:20.000 Are we going to have a fight?

00:51:21.000 Is this a fight now?

00:51:22.000 Let's just do it and then get it over with.

00:51:26.000 One-on-one fights are stupid.

00:51:27.000 They get you killed.

00:51:29.000 People don't play by rules.

00:51:31.000 It's dumb.

00:51:32.000 It's almost always unnecessary.

00:51:35.000 Most people, it's just their ego gets involved and they think they're in a fucking movie.

00:51:39.000 Right.

00:51:41.000 And the amount of people that get in street fights that have no training to me is the craziest.

00:51:47.000 I've watched so many videos where guys don't know what they're doing at all.

00:51:50.000 They're just.

00:51:50.000 Right.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:51:52.000 The ego gets involved in it.

00:51:54.000 They're in an argument and that transitions over into physical.

00:51:57.000 But I think half the guys maybe don't think it's going to go into the physical.

00:52:02.000 They're just like good at shit talking.

00:52:04.000 Yeah.

00:52:05.000 You got to don't do this.

00:52:07.000 And sometimes it doesn't.

00:52:08.000 And that's good.

00:52:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:09.000 Or whatever.

00:52:10.000 But like, I mean, when it does and you're not ready for it, it can be terrible.

00:52:15.000 It's the worst thing in the world.

00:52:16.000 I was watching, there was a comic, I don't want to say his name, but he was a real angry dude, always yelled at people.

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 And he got in this like yelling altercation with this fucking guy.

00:52:25.000 And I pulled him aside.

00:52:26.000 I go, hey, what the fuck are you doing, man?

00:52:28.000 Do you even know how to fight?

00:52:29.000 He's like, no, no.

00:52:30.000 I'm like, have you ever been in a fight?

00:52:32.000 He's like, no, no.

00:52:33.000 I go, well, why are you calling this guy out to fight?

00:52:36.000 This is crazy.

00:52:37.000 Like, you're going to get killed.

00:52:38.000 You're going to do it with some guy one day.

00:52:40.000 And he's going to go, oh, this is going to be fun.

00:52:42.000 This guy, oh, I finally get a chance to beat the shit out of somebody.

00:52:46.000 Some boxer or something is going to just beat your fucking face in, man.

00:52:49.000 Like, don't do that.

00:52:51.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.000 You want your jaw wired shut for six months?

00:52:54.000 Like, what are you talking about, Donald?

00:52:55.000 Especially with the health insurance companies these days.

00:52:57.000 Bro.

00:52:58.000 You never know what they're going to cover and what they're going to not cover.

00:53:01.000 How crazy you are.

00:53:02.000 Did you see the Ben Askren thing?

00:53:04.000 How crazy is that?

00:53:04.000 Yeah.

00:53:05.000 That's nuts, man.

00:53:06.000 The guy needs a double lung transplant.

00:53:07.000 I mean, how can that happen?

00:53:09.000 Not be covered.

00:53:10.000 How can that not be covered?

00:53:11.000 How can that happen in our society, man?

00:53:12.000 Exactly.

00:53:13.000 Like, what's going on?

00:53:14.000 It's profit over fucking humanity.

00:53:16.000 But how is it allowed to legally, how are they legally allowed?

00:53:19.000 I don't know the ins and the outs of it, but like the legally allowed to be like, no, we're not covering that.

00:53:25.000 You know, it's like the idea of a preexisting condition was nuts to me.

00:53:29.000 What kind of preexisting condition?

00:53:31.000 I mean, he's got health insurance.

00:53:32.000 He gets sick.

00:53:33.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:53:34.000 He got pneumonia.

00:53:35.000 He's got holes in his fucking lungs.

00:53:37.000 Right.

00:53:38.000 He needs double lung transplant.

00:53:39.000 And you say, no, you have to die.

00:53:41.000 Meanwhile, he gets the lung transplant.

00:53:43.000 I think actually Jake Paul donated a bunch of money to him.

00:53:46.000 Paradigm.

00:53:46.000 And some other folks did, too.

00:53:48.000 Which is great because Jake Paul actually fought him in the past.

00:53:52.000 They had a boxing match together, which should have never taken place.

00:53:55.000 Jake flatlined him.

00:53:57.000 Oh, did he really?

00:53:58.000 Oh, Terry.

00:53:58.000 That Askarin is super tough, man.

00:54:00.000 Yeah, he's a very tough guy.

00:54:01.000 He's not a boxer.

00:54:02.000 He's never been known for having good hands.

00:54:03.000 He was an amazing wrestler.

00:54:05.000 Yes.

00:54:05.000 But Jake's stepped up and paid a big chunk of his medical bills.

00:54:11.000 So he's training now.

00:54:11.000 That's awesome.

00:54:13.000 Again, he's posting videos, and he weighs like 135 pounds right now.

00:54:17.000 And he's got this giant scar across his chest, and his arms are like sticks, and he's on the bike working out again.

00:54:23.000 And Ben's trying to put weight back on.

00:54:26.000 Just trying to rehab.

00:54:27.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Trying to get his body back.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, but I saw the, I didn't watch the whole videos, but his face looks really crazy.

00:54:35.000 He lost like 35 pounds.

00:54:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 You know, and he was there for months, just rotting away.

00:54:41.000 It's just a lot of fun.

00:54:42.000 He's a super tough.

00:54:43.000 He was a super, super tough wrestler.

00:54:45.000 Oh, dude, the Bellator days, if you go back and watch him in the Bellator days, he would just dominate guys.

00:54:50.000 They would have no clue as to what he was doing.

00:54:53.000 He would take some of the best fighters in the world, and as soon as he grabbed a hold of them, they were fucked.

00:54:57.000 And that guy was known to have a motor.

00:54:59.000 He would never get tired.

00:55:01.000 He wrestled at Missouri, I think.

00:55:03.000 My friend Greg Warren was an all-American.

00:55:05.000 He's a great comic.

00:55:05.000 Greg Warren.

00:55:06.000 I know Greg.

00:55:07.000 You know Greg?

00:55:07.000 I work with Greg.

00:55:08.000 He's unbelievable.

00:55:09.000 Yeah, funny dude.

00:55:10.000 And I wrestled and everything, but Greg was an all-American.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler.

00:55:16.000 And he knows Askron.

00:55:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:19.000 And I met him at nationals one year.

00:55:21.000 I always wanted Askron to fight in the UFC long before he did.

00:55:25.000 And unfortunately, I think he did sort of the prime of his career in Bellator, and no one got a chance to see it.

00:55:32.000 Because that was when he was at his best, when he was fighting guys like Douglas Lima, who was another guy who people forgot because he was fighting so much in Bellator.

00:55:32.000 Right.

00:55:42.000 But he was one of the best Walter Weights ever.

00:55:44.000 He was one of the only guys to knock out MVP.

00:55:46.000 Wow.

00:55:47.000 Douglas Lima is a fucking beast, man.

00:55:49.000 And Ben Asprin got a hold of him and just ragged all.

00:55:52.000 No kidding.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, Korshkov, another guy, killer, fucking nasty spinning back kick.

00:55:57.000 He was nasty, nasty striker, ragged all.

00:56:00.000 Ben got a hold of him.

00:56:01.000 He was just throwing those guys around.

00:56:03.000 They just gave him noogies.

00:56:04.000 They couldn't do shit.

00:56:05.000 There was nothing they could do to him.

00:56:06.000 That's really something.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, they couldn't get up.

00:56:08.000 And he, like, I can't emphasize a guy who never gets tired.

00:56:12.000 Yeah.

00:56:13.000 Like, I always had to, like, pace out, like, and think about it.

00:56:16.000 It's like, how much energy is this?

00:56:18.000 You kind of have to subconsciously go, how much energy is this going to take?

00:56:20.000 Because I got to conserve my energy.

00:56:23.000 It's like, that's just not a thing.

00:56:24.000 Well, that's the difference between a guy who's constantly wrestling and doing it all of his life and doing camps and starting when he was a young boy.

00:56:32.000 And also, like, his technique was so good.

00:56:34.000 He's like, so unorthodox as well.

00:56:36.000 Right.

00:56:36.000 So efficient.

00:56:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:38.000 So efficient.

00:56:39.000 Efficient with the energy is a big thing.

00:56:41.000 Oh, that's huge.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 I mean, if a guy doesn't have to be tense all the time, you know, but it's like this video that I watched with Uzek, it was very eye-opening.

00:56:49.000 It was like, of course, of course.

00:56:51.000 He would do 15 rounds of three and a half minutes with a 20-second rest.

00:56:56.000 So he's preparing himself for a 12-round fight.

00:56:58.000 He would do 15, but he would do three and a half-minute rounds, and he would do 20 seconds rest instead of one minute.

00:57:04.000 And if he touched his back to the ropes at any point in time, he would add another round.

00:57:10.000 That's nuts.

00:57:12.000 That's great.

00:57:13.000 That's really great.

00:57:14.000 Fucking hell.

00:57:14.000 I love that.

00:57:15.000 It's like the Lomenchenko.

00:57:17.000 I didn't see the Usik one, but I saw how Lomenchenko trained.

00:57:20.000 Yeah, the same kind of church.

00:57:20.000 Same training.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 His father trains Usik in.

00:57:24.000 Exactly.

00:57:25.000 Same kind of thing.

00:57:25.000 And it's bananas, like the coordination.

00:57:28.000 He quit boxing as a young kid to learn Russian dance.

00:57:30.000 Well, that's why his footwork is so crazy.

00:57:32.000 His footwork is insane.

00:57:33.000 His filter is insane.

00:57:34.000 I would really like to have seen him fight Shakur.

00:57:37.000 And, you know, these guys, Tank and Shakur, are great.

00:57:39.000 But they were calling him out, and it was after, I think, Lomachenko was.

00:57:44.000 It's after he fought Haney, and he was like, I'm kind of done.

00:57:46.000 He fought Kambosis, and then that was, he rapped on that.

00:57:49.000 I felt like he got robbed in the Haney fight.

00:57:51.000 I thought so, too.

00:57:51.000 I thought he won that fight.

00:57:52.000 I thought he won that.

00:57:53.000 It was a bummer to me because I was like, this is kind of a great comeback story.

00:57:56.000 The guy fights for Ukraine in the war, comes back, gets back into shape, fights again.

00:58:02.000 And Haney's great, but he was much bigger than Lomo.

00:58:06.000 Lomo was a, he just looked very small.

00:58:09.000 He looked like, you know, he was fighting at 35, but these guys are cutting down from God knows where.

00:58:15.000 Yeah.

00:58:15.000 Like Haney's fighting at 47 now.

00:58:18.000 So it's, you know, you could just see their builds.

00:58:21.000 Yep.

00:58:22.000 They look different.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, it's a different size, different size.

00:58:24.000 But Shakur, I'm saying Shakur looks about the same size as Lomo.

00:58:29.000 Also, super skillful.

00:58:31.000 Super skillful.

00:58:32.000 I was happy his last fight.

00:58:32.000 And I was happy.

00:58:33.000 his last fight, best Philly Shell since Floyd Mayweather.

00:58:37.000 His fucking defense was incredible.

00:58:39.000 Defense, and he stayed.

00:58:40.000 And that guy was putting the guy from Golden Boy.

00:58:44.000 I can't remember his name who he fought, but was just a good fighter and was really pressuring him.

00:58:50.000 And Shakur stayed in the pocket.

00:58:52.000 He stayed in the pocket.

00:58:53.000 He also said he's not calling him a runner before.

00:58:55.000 He's not a runner, yeah.

00:58:56.000 But he said after that fight, I'm not going to fight that way anymore.

00:58:58.000 He said, I took too many shots.

00:59:00.000 Oh, really?

00:59:00.000 Yeah, because he wanted to put on a show and show everybody he's not just a runner.

00:59:04.000 He could stand in the pocket.

00:59:05.000 And then he's like, why am I doing this?

00:59:08.000 I'll box the shit out of these motherfuckers.

00:59:10.000 He's a silver medalist, that guy.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 Oh, he's elite.

00:59:13.000 He's elite.

00:59:14.000 And just one of the best, like, as far as skill.

00:59:16.000 What do you think of Crawford Canelo?

00:59:18.000 I love it.

00:59:19.000 Do you?

00:59:19.000 Yeah, I love that.

00:59:20.000 See, I don't.

00:59:20.000 Crawford wants to do it.

00:59:21.000 I don't love it.

00:59:22.000 I think it's Crawford's last fight, so I'm happy he's going to cash out, and I'm rooting for him.

00:59:27.000 But I would like to see him stay at 54 and fight Virgil Ortiz.

00:59:31.000 I'd like to see that too, but the big money is Canelo.

00:59:34.000 And why not do it?

00:59:34.000 I know.

00:59:35.000 I mean, what a ballsy move.

00:59:37.000 You go 47 to 54, and you go, fuck 60.

00:59:39.000 You'll go right up to 68.

00:59:41.000 That's crazy.

00:59:42.000 Because he's really not even at 54.

00:59:44.000 He's taken the fight at 54.

00:59:45.000 He took Majrama because it was a big fight.

00:59:48.000 Wins another world title.

00:59:50.000 And he won that fight.

00:59:51.000 People are like trying to discredit.

00:59:53.000 First of all, Terrence fought great.

00:59:55.000 Matt Drama is as great.

00:59:56.000 He's great as good dude.

00:59:57.000 And fought him differently than he fought every other guy.

01:00:00.000 He did fight him differently.

01:00:02.000 He's dangerous.

01:00:03.000 And Matt Drama is a great athlete.

01:00:04.000 Anybody who does a backflip in the ring, that guy, he's a great athlete.

01:00:10.000 And he is like, all these Eastern block fighters always have like seven.

01:00:15.000 They're like seven and oh.

01:00:16.000 And it looks like nothing.

01:00:17.000 It's like, yeah, but he has 400 amateur fights.

01:00:19.000 Exactly.

01:00:20.000 Like Arthur Bitterbeef is a perfect example.

01:00:23.000 He had like 300 amateur fights.

01:00:24.000 So did Lomachenko.

01:00:25.000 They have hundreds of amateur fights.

01:00:27.000 And by the time they get to the professional ranks, like, yeah, this isn't a regular 1-0 guy.

01:00:34.000 These are guys that just, they can do stuff that you can't even imagine being able to do.

01:00:38.000 They're unreal.

01:00:39.000 So who do you have in the fight?

01:00:41.000 I would, listen, it's going to be great.

01:00:43.000 It's going to be a great fight.

01:00:44.000 You're dealing with two all-time greats.

01:00:46.000 Crawford's one of the best switch hitters, I think, since Marvin Hagler and one of the most skillful boxers alive.

01:00:52.000 And then you have Canelo, who probably isn't the same guy as he was just like a few years ago, but still one of the greatest of all time, still has brutal knockout power.

01:01:04.000 You know, I mean, if you go back to like some of his, you know, like more impressive fights from a few years ago, like the Amir Khan KO, you know, like the Billy Joe Saunders KO, like those KOs, like he's probably not that guy anymore.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 But he's still, he's still young enough that he's still pretty close to his prime and one of the best of all time.

01:01:27.000 I'd like to see him fight David Benavidez.

01:01:29.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:01:29.000 And I think that the WBC should have forced it, that fight.

01:01:34.000 I know he's the draw of boxing and he's the face of boxing and all that stuff.

01:01:40.000 It says a lot that he doesn't want that.

01:01:42.000 You can't let the inmates run the asylum, for lack of a better phrase.

01:01:46.000 You have to force the fight.

01:01:47.000 Patrick Mahomes comes into a football season.

01:01:49.000 He doesn't automatically go to the playoffs.

01:01:52.000 He's got to play every game.

01:01:53.000 And if he loses enough game, he has to go on the road in the playoffs.

01:01:57.000 It's like the WBC should have forced Canelo to fight David Benavidez.

01:02:02.000 Because that's not fair.

01:02:03.000 The David Benavidez has to go up to 75 now.

01:02:06.000 And he has to wait to see the winner of the Better Beef Bival fight.

01:02:10.000 Yeah.

01:02:11.000 Well, that was the fight.

01:02:12.000 The fight, I mean, for Mexican bragging rights, too.

01:02:16.000 What a great fight.

01:02:17.000 And in no way do I think that Canelo was afraid of him or anything.

01:02:20.000 He's just trying to maneuver his career with the least risk.

01:02:24.000 And the most money.

01:02:25.000 And the most money.

01:02:26.000 I think he said he wanted to fight him, but he wanted like $200 million or something crazy like that.

01:02:31.000 I mean, but it's your mandatory defense at 68.

01:02:35.000 How do you choose?

01:02:35.000 It's your mandatory.

01:02:36.000 I know you're defensive boxing, but how do you choose?

01:02:38.000 The WBC got to force that, man.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, but maybe the Saudis will cough up that money eventually.

01:02:44.000 Like, maybe he beats Crawford, and then they say, listen, like, Turkey al-Ashik decides.

01:02:50.000 What does this say?

01:02:51.000 Dev Benavier, they offered Canelo $70 million to fight me.

01:02:54.000 That's before pay-per-view.

01:02:55.000 They offered me a flat fee of $5 million.

01:02:57.000 I said yes.

01:02:58.000 Then we never heard back.

01:02:59.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:03:02.000 But, you know, maybe for him, 70 million is not the number he wanted.

01:03:05.000 Maybe he thinks the Saudis will give him 200.

01:03:08.000 They might.

01:03:09.000 Look, if he beats Crawford, that might be the move.

01:03:12.000 But it speaks to how boxing is organized.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 That's true.

01:03:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:16.000 Yeah, it's goofy.

01:03:17.000 It's like not organized.

01:03:19.000 It wants to be respected as a sport, but it's not organized that way.

01:03:23.000 Well, there's so many sanctioning bodies.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, I say clean them out.

01:03:27.000 Yeah.

01:03:28.000 Clean out the sanctioning bodies as one title.

01:03:30.000 Because if someone's offering someone a world title fight, they can make so much more money as a world champion.

01:03:36.000 You know, like you win the WBO.

01:03:38.000 Let's say like Canelo vacates some titles and the guy picks it up.

01:03:42.000 He's still a WBO champion or a WBC champion or WBA or IBF or IBO.

01:03:47.000 But that's the problem is that there's so many world champions.

01:03:50.000 Whereas in MMA, like you can be a Bellator world champion, but everybody knows you're not really the world champion unless you're the UFC world champion in terms of public perception.

01:03:59.000 There's guys I think that were Bellator champions that could have won in the UFC at that same weight class.

01:04:04.000 And there's guys that did, like Eddie Alvarez came over from Bellator.

01:04:08.000 He was a world champion and he won the world title in the UFC.

01:04:10.000 Guys did it.

01:04:11.000 But the reality is most people think of a world champion as a UFC champion.

01:04:16.000 But in boxing, the WBA champion is thought exactly the same way as the WBC champion.

01:04:21.000 It depends on who it is.

01:04:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:23.000 Like if Tyson has, if it was Mike Tyson in the early days and he had the WBC belt and you had a WBA belt, you weren't the champion.

01:04:30.000 Mike Tyson was the champion.

01:04:31.000 Everybody knew it.

01:04:32.000 But other than those kind of examples, you know, where there's one guy that's just the ultimate in that weight class, a world championship is worth a lot of money.

01:04:41.000 So it's hard for guys to say no and just say, look, I'm only going to fight for the Ring magazine belt.

01:04:47.000 That's what the Saudis own.

01:04:49.000 And they're going to make everybody fight everybody.

01:04:51.000 It's going to make the most amount of money.

01:04:53.000 Because I think that's what they're kind of angling towards.

01:04:56.000 Structuring it differently?

01:04:57.000 Because that's what needs, I mean, in my opinion, that's What needs to happen?

01:04:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:00.000 It needs to be structured differently, and there needs to be like the fights need to be forced.

01:05:05.000 And you know what?

01:05:06.000 You have to let go of the draw a little bit.

01:05:08.000 Like, well, this fight is not going to, it doesn't matter if it draws or not.

01:05:12.000 We need this fight to happen so that we can get the best champion.

01:05:17.000 Yes.

01:05:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:18.000 So we can get the real champion here.

01:05:20.000 So it doesn't matter if it's not technically a good matchup.

01:05:24.000 It has to be forced.

01:05:25.000 It means something to be the number one contender.

01:05:28.000 But then if you do that, you never get fights like Tyson Fury versus Francis Ngano.

01:05:28.000 It means something.

01:05:33.000 You only get those fights, those fun fights, if someone's like, okay, let's just try this.

01:05:39.000 Right.

01:05:39.000 But I think that's what there are like prop fights.

01:05:43.000 I don't know if I call them that, but like what Floyd is doing now, Mayweather.

01:05:46.000 He's like, he kind of deserves to do that.

01:05:48.000 Like he's like outside.

01:05:49.000 He's retired and he's like, I'm putting on these fights.

01:05:52.000 And if he can get paid for them, good for him.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:56.000 But that's outside of what we consider real competition.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, well, this is different because Floyd's 50.

01:06:02.000 Right.

01:06:03.000 This is a different thing.

01:06:04.000 But when you're talking about- He's like, I challenge this guy.

01:06:09.000 And it's like, that's fine.

01:06:11.000 And that's fun.

01:06:12.000 But is that the highest level of if he fought better beef?

01:06:16.000 The Anthony Joshua thing is crazy to me, too.

01:06:19.000 But it's like, if he fought better beef, it's like...

01:06:23.000 That would be the fight.

01:06:24.000 That would be the fight.

01:06:25.000 That would be fun to watch.

01:06:27.000 Because you can't run from Better Beeve.

01:06:29.000 He's terrifying.

01:06:30.000 He's terrifying.

01:06:31.000 He's 40, too.

01:06:32.000 Technically sounds 40.

01:06:33.000 These guys are all older because of their amateur careers.

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:35.000 Exactly.

01:06:36.000 I mean, Usik's 38, which is also crazy.

01:06:38.000 He's in his prime at 38.

01:06:40.000 But I think a big part of that is it speaks to his discipline that he stays in such insane shape.

01:06:45.000 Who's that, Usik?

01:06:46.000 Usik.

01:06:46.000 Yeah, he doesn't let himself.

01:06:48.000 And Better Beeve as well.

01:06:49.000 There's some amazing videos of Better Beef.

01:06:51.000 Very similar kind of training methods.

01:06:53.000 Like it's Russians and Ukrainians and, you know, Betterbeev is Chechnyan.

01:06:57.000 It's like these guys.

01:06:58.000 Chechnyan, Muslim, doesn't drink, disciplined lifestyle.

01:07:02.000 And then it's funny because they ask these guys about who's your favorite boxer?

01:07:05.000 He's like, I really don't watch it.

01:07:06.000 This is my job.

01:07:08.000 Crazy.

01:07:09.000 This is my job.

01:07:10.000 This is my job.

01:07:11.000 I do my job.

01:07:11.000 I come.

01:07:12.000 I go home to my family.

01:07:13.000 Crazy.

01:07:14.000 You don't watch boxing?

01:07:15.000 You don't watch boxing.

01:07:16.000 That's nuts.

01:07:16.000 You're one of the best ever.

01:07:17.000 You don't want boxing.

01:07:18.000 Who's the Denver Nuggets guy?

01:07:18.000 Who's the kid?

01:07:22.000 He's another guy who says that after they won the NBA championship.

01:07:25.000 Jokic.

01:07:26.000 He's another guy.

01:07:26.000 Jokic.

01:07:27.000 He won the NBA Championship Championship.

01:07:29.000 He's like, nah, it's fun.

01:07:30.000 We celebrate and I go home with my family now.

01:07:30.000 It's fun.

01:07:33.000 I don't think about basketball.

01:07:34.000 He doesn't even get emotional when he wins, but his horse won and he broke down crying.

01:07:39.000 Oh, did you see it?

01:07:40.000 There it is.

01:07:41.000 Emotionally celebrates after his horse wins a race.

01:07:43.000 That's so great.

01:07:43.000 So his horse won a race and he was fucking crying.

01:07:46.000 He's like, this is the greatest thing of all time.

01:07:48.000 Look at him.

01:07:49.000 He's so happy.

01:07:50.000 So happy.

01:07:52.000 So if you watch, when they had him in the stand, there's a video of him at the end of it.

01:07:57.000 Oh, that was a bad video.

01:07:58.000 No, that's not a video.

01:07:59.000 That's not the same video.

01:08:00.000 But so when his horse did win, he was like crying and so happy.

01:08:04.000 Meanwhile.

01:08:06.000 Meanwhile, he wins.

01:08:08.000 Something he's been working for his whole life.

01:08:10.000 He's like, I don't know.

01:08:11.000 Maybe that's the secret to success.

01:08:12.000 He stays Zen about it.

01:08:14.000 Well, they look at it like it's a job.

01:08:16.000 They prepare mentally, and these guys are very mentally tough.

01:08:19.000 And they prepare for it like a job.

01:08:20.000 And then they go and do the job.

01:08:22.000 And they're like, this isn't my life.

01:08:24.000 It kind of dials back some of the ego on it, which I like.

01:08:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:28.000 It's like, I'm this guy.

01:08:29.000 It's like, no, I'm doing this.

01:08:30.000 And then when I retire, I'll just be a guy.

01:08:33.000 No one thinks about that in America.

01:08:34.000 Everybody's like, no, I'm going to go to, and I get it.

01:08:37.000 You know, it's like, I'm going to go to the next thing.

01:08:38.000 Maybe I can parlay this into something else or a vitamin water.

01:08:43.000 I can have a cologne.

01:08:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:45.000 It's like they're trying to parlay it into something else to make more money.

01:08:50.000 But I don't know, man.

01:08:51.000 These guys, they have the eye of the tiger.

01:08:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:55.000 We played a few times on this podcast, Serbian basketball, when they played basketball in Serbia and how the crowd is.

01:09:02.000 And you're like, oh, my God, this is like you're stepping into a fucking gang war.

01:09:07.000 The crowds are so electric.

01:09:10.000 They're so into it, like aggressively into it.

01:09:14.000 You're like, dude, these people from that part of the world are hard people.

01:09:19.000 And when they're coming over here, they're dominating in MMA.

01:09:21.000 They're dominating in boxing.

01:09:24.000 That's a tough part of the war.

01:09:26.000 It's been wracked by war for hundreds of years.

01:09:30.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:09:33.000 This is Serbia?

01:09:34.000 Bro, they're starting fires.

01:09:35.000 What are they doing?

01:09:36.000 Flares and fireworks and shit.

01:09:37.000 They're outside.

01:09:38.000 Oh, this is outside basketball.

01:09:39.000 That would have been funny if they were inside doing fireworks.

01:09:41.000 Bro, they have outside basketball games.

01:09:43.000 That's pretty wild, too.

01:09:45.000 Wow.

01:09:47.000 It's like, look at this fucking crowd, dude.

01:09:52.000 It's just nuts how hyped up they get.

01:09:57.000 wow Yeah, bro.

01:10:08.000 It's a different world.

01:10:10.000 It's so funny.

01:10:10.000 People go, the Eagles fans are really tough.

01:10:12.000 It's like, I don't know how about these guys.

01:10:14.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 Have you ever seen that game that they play?

01:10:17.000 I think it's called Calcio Storico.

01:10:20.000 Calcio Storico?

01:10:22.000 It's like a combination of rugby and MMA.

01:10:26.000 And they do it in Italy and they do it at a couple other places.

01:10:29.000 They do it in Croatia.

01:10:32.000 Oh, I think I did see that.

01:10:33.000 So brother.

01:10:34.000 It's like a rugby, right?

01:10:35.000 But it's fighting.

01:10:36.000 So they get together as teams and they've got a ball.

01:10:39.000 I don't know what the fucking deal is with the ball, but they beat the fucking piss out of each other.

01:10:43.000 These guys just look rough.

01:10:44.000 Animals.

01:10:45.000 Like animals.

01:10:46.000 Look at that guy.

01:10:47.000 He's rubbing his hands together.

01:10:48.000 I can't wait to fucking brain somebody.

01:10:50.000 And so these guys stand outside each other and they're having gang fights.

01:10:54.000 Like this is the beginning of the game.

01:10:55.000 And there's a ball involved.

01:10:57.000 I don't understand the need for this ball.

01:10:59.000 But look, while that ball's moving around, these guys in the middle are just beating the shit out of each other.

01:11:04.000 They're wrestling.

01:11:06.000 They're fucking shooting takedowns, body slamming each other's elbows to the face on the ground.

01:11:10.000 It's nuts.

01:11:11.000 It's the craziest fucking game.

01:11:13.000 Like, this is back when people needed something to do in between war.

01:11:18.000 You know?

01:11:19.000 They needed something to stay sharp.

01:11:21.000 And so they developed a game to make their fucking war ability hone tight while they ramp up their team.

01:11:29.000 The refs are dressed like jesters.

01:11:31.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

01:11:33.000 It's probably how cool people dress back when they invented this.

01:11:36.000 But it's interesting.

01:11:37.000 I wonder if they're scoring for the individual fights that they're having.

01:11:40.000 What did you say, Jamie?

01:11:41.000 You want to tell someone score?

01:11:42.000 What is the point of that?

01:11:42.000 Yeah, there's no point.

01:11:44.000 There's no point.

01:11:44.000 Who's got the ball?

01:11:45.000 What's happening?

01:11:46.000 These guys are just beating each other up.

01:11:47.000 And this guy's grabbing a hold of the fence there.

01:11:50.000 You're allowed to hold the fence.

01:11:51.000 There's like almost no rules.

01:11:52.000 scores here about like did they win the fight or did they get a Yeah, I have no idea.

01:11:57.000 I don't think they care about the goal.

01:11:58.000 I think they want to punch you in the face.

01:12:01.000 I mean, it's a crazy game.

01:12:03.000 Well, it's three to two.

01:12:04.000 Like, look, this guy gets taken down out of nowhere.

01:12:07.000 He's nowhere near the ball.

01:12:08.000 This guy's mounting him, beating his ass, and the guy runs across with the ball.

01:12:12.000 Look at those stupid shorts.

01:12:14.000 They weren't tights and shit.

01:12:16.000 Like, the clothes they wear are ridiculous.

01:12:19.000 Was that guy got something stuck to his back, like a needle?

01:12:22.000 Look at his back.

01:12:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:24.000 He's got like a piercing, it looks like a fucking...

01:12:29.000 Well, like a pin.

01:12:30.000 There's no one stopping the fight either, so this must be part of it.

01:12:33.000 Yeah, he's got like a safety pin through his back.

01:12:36.000 Maybe he's the captain of the team.

01:12:38.000 Yeah, you gotta pull that off to win.

01:12:40.000 This is not.

01:12:40.000 Oh, maybe that is something.

01:12:42.000 I mean, it seems like you just kind of grab that.

01:12:45.000 This is a crazy-ass sport, man.

01:12:47.000 And look, these guys are mounted on top of each other while the game's going on.

01:12:52.000 Guys inside control.

01:12:53.000 It's chaos.

01:12:56.000 Full contact soccer.

01:12:57.000 Look, this guy's running, and the other guy just mounts him, starts beating his ass.

01:12:57.000 Yeah.

01:13:02.000 It's kind of entertaining.

01:13:03.000 Yeah, fucking for sure entertaining.

01:13:05.000 It's violent.

01:13:06.000 Violence is in it.

01:13:07.000 But look, all these guys in the middle, they're not even stopping this guy from running because they're too busy mounting people.

01:13:12.000 And he gets through.

01:13:13.000 I'll score.

01:13:14.000 All right, that guy scored.

01:13:15.000 Oh, you look at it.

01:13:16.000 He did it casual.

01:13:19.000 Nutty ass game.

01:13:20.000 But that's the point.

01:13:21.000 It's like those people from that part of the world, they've been involved in some wild shit for a long time.

01:13:29.000 Long time.

01:13:31.000 That's Europe.

01:13:32.000 Is it Europe?

01:13:33.000 That is in Florence, I believe.

01:13:35.000 That's Italy.

01:13:36.000 But I know, like I said, they do that in Croatia as well.

01:13:40.000 That same sport.

01:13:42.000 It's just hard people out there in the world while we're all arguing over pronouns in your Twitter bio.

01:13:48.000 We're arguing with each other on Twitter.

01:13:49.000 That's really funny.

01:13:50.000 It's like arguing with each other on Twitter, and those guys are doing that.

01:13:53.000 That's what Twitter would look like if it was physical.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, sort of.

01:13:57.000 There'd be a lot of guys crying.

01:14:00.000 Are you on the Twitter?

01:14:02.000 Have you figured out a way to do it?

01:14:04.000 Nah, I'm off of it.

01:14:05.000 But I used to write jokes on it.

01:14:07.000 And now it's like just.

01:14:09.000 It doesn't benefit you to write jokes on it anymore.

01:14:11.000 Now it's confrontation is what the algorithm loves.

01:14:14.000 So unless you're trying to, at least the way that that's the way I view it, it's like, unless you're trying to take somebody down or have an argument, that spurs the algorithm.

01:14:22.000 So I don't want to do any of that.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, it's nonsense.

01:14:25.000 I'm focused on front-facing Instagram videos now.

01:14:28.000 Front-facing?

01:14:29.000 Yeah, you talk into your phone.

01:14:31.000 That's what people love now.

01:14:32.000 Is that what you're doing?

01:14:34.000 I have to do it to promote my shows.

01:14:36.000 Well, the Ozzy Osborne death is crazy, right, guys?

01:14:36.000 There you go.

01:14:40.000 Prince of Darkness.

01:14:41.000 That's one of those things.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, it's like comment on stuff.

01:14:43.000 Comment.

01:14:45.000 It's kind of like what Twitter was, but I don't know.

01:14:48.000 It's always changing.

01:14:49.000 And you hear that this is what is getting views.

01:14:53.000 And you're trying to sell tickets.

01:14:55.000 I get it.

01:14:56.000 I get it.

01:14:57.000 But I mean, I'm glad I don't have to do it.

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 Well, I put stand-up clips.

01:15:01.000 Stand-up clips is really my bread and butter.

01:15:03.000 Oh, that's the big thing.

01:15:04.000 A great stand-up clip will push you right into headliner.

01:15:07.000 And if you're a beginning comic, like even before you're ready, there's guys that they start out.

01:15:14.000 They've been doing comedy for three years.

01:15:16.000 They got a good 10 minutes.

01:15:17.000 And they put that 10 minutes online.

01:15:18.000 And then, boom, they take off.

01:15:20.000 Now you have to write a whole hour outside of that 10 minutes.

01:15:23.000 And you have to headline.

01:15:24.000 It's just a rush job to kind of get it through.

01:15:27.000 You have to figure out how to fill that space.

01:15:29.000 Everybody has different challenges.

01:15:30.000 So the guys who do that, then they're filling clubs.

01:15:33.000 And now they got to figure out how to get people their money's worth in those clubs.

01:15:38.000 You have to construct a real hour.

01:15:40.000 You have to construct an hour or like, say, you got famous off crowdwork or something.

01:15:44.000 It's like, that's mostly what you're doing then, crowdwork.

01:15:47.000 That's different.

01:15:47.000 That you can do.

01:15:48.000 Like, that's pretty easy.

01:15:49.000 Not easy, but you can fill time.

01:15:52.000 Whereas like if you're the hardest for me, I think, not for me, I don't do it, but the hardest, in my opinion, is non-sequitur guys.

01:16:01.000 You know, guys like Stephen Wright.

01:16:03.000 Like that kind of thing, like one absurd non-sequitur into another.

01:16:03.000 Right, right.

01:16:06.000 There's no like through line.

01:16:09.000 Right, right, right.

01:16:10.000 It's all just like things that are totally unrelated.

01:16:12.000 Here's another thing I noticed.

01:16:14.000 It's so hard to write an hour that well.

01:16:16.000 Oh my God.

01:16:17.000 Like I think Stephen Wright and the other one was Mitch Hedberg.

01:16:20.000 It was a very similar style.

01:16:22.000 Non-sequiturs.

01:16:22.000 Right.

01:16:23.000 Fantastic, too.

01:16:24.000 Amazing.

01:16:25.000 But very hard and time-consuming to put an hour together.

01:16:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:16:30.000 I mean, you have to write if you're doing that.

01:16:32.000 But those clips, I mean, those clips do well.

01:16:36.000 You know, if you put work into the clip, the trick of it is developing the material fast enough in order to put it out.

01:16:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:44.000 Yeah.

01:16:45.000 It's like that every, you're not coming up with that every day.

01:16:48.000 And I don't know if the general public realizes that.

01:16:50.000 You're almost better off loot for online, loosely talking about a subject and putting that up rather than really sitting in the pocket and developing it the way that we do.

01:17:02.000 Right.

01:17:03.000 Because a lot of times like it's a well, the guys are like really good at ranting.

01:17:07.000 Like Burr is really good at it and Tim Dylan's the best at it.

01:17:10.000 Where they just take a subject and rant.

01:17:10.000 Yeah.

01:17:12.000 That's a great premise factory because you're going on these rants for, you know, with Dylan.

01:17:18.000 He'll do a rant for like an hour.

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:21.000 A couple of minutes in there, you could probably develop into material.

01:17:24.000 Right.

01:17:24.000 And then you're doing that all the time.

01:17:27.000 But the thing is, you have to stop.

01:17:29.000 And that's the thing with journaling.

01:17:30.000 People are like, you should journal.

01:17:31.000 And I tried it.

01:17:32.000 I tried a different technique.

01:17:33.000 Like, get up and just journal.

01:17:34.000 Don't worry about the jokes.

01:17:35.000 Just journal every day.

01:17:36.000 So you're journaling every day, and it's like now you have a lot of premises, but none of it's developed.

01:17:40.000 So you can't journal every day.

01:17:42.000 Then when you have like a week of journaling, it's like now you have to go back through the journal and you have to see what's, you have to pull it out and then develop these ideas.

01:17:51.000 When you say journaling, so you sit down and write, you write about your life.

01:17:55.000 Okay.

01:17:56.000 Write about your life.

01:17:56.000 Or if like you write about a topic that you're interested in, that's gnawing at you.

01:18:01.000 there's so many funny or potentially funny things that happen to you every day that if you would just journal it you you bring it to light and you but if you don't journal it's kind of like these things just they slip away they But if you journal and it's like, oh, that was funny, that was funny.

01:18:16.000 Just getting on a plane now is hilarious.

01:18:20.000 You know, there's so many different things and you interact with so many different, just these small interactions with people.

01:18:26.000 And it's just, it's, you know, something that could go south.

01:18:30.000 You know, it could go south.

01:18:32.000 It could be okay.

01:18:33.000 And I got off the plane coming here just gets me every time.

01:18:38.000 It happens almost every time I travel.

01:18:40.000 I think I'm drawing it to me.

01:18:41.000 It's like there's a natural progression of how the plane deborts.

01:18:45.000 It's like people from the seats, they just get off the plane according to where your seat is.

01:18:52.000 You're getting off first if you're closer to the entrance of the plane.

01:18:54.000 That's the way it's designed to go.

01:18:57.000 There's always somebody who runs, gets their bag and runs to the front of the plane.

01:19:03.000 And you're like, what are you doing, dude?

01:19:04.000 We all want to get off.

01:19:06.000 Unless you have a connecting flight, we all want to get off.

01:19:09.000 What are you doing?

01:19:10.000 I know.

01:19:10.000 People get mad at those people.

01:19:12.000 There was a video recently where a lady did that and people were yelling at her.

01:19:16.000 Yeah, it turns into a great clip.

01:19:20.000 Somebody videos it and it's an altercation and it turns into a viral clip.

01:19:25.000 How about that lady that said that someone on the plane wasn't real?

01:19:28.000 Remember that?

01:19:28.000 She said something about shapeshifting.

01:19:30.000 Yes.

01:19:31.000 I bet she's a lot of fun.

01:19:33.000 I bet that lady's a lot of fun.

01:19:34.000 I bet she's great.

01:19:35.000 She's really fun at parties.

01:19:37.000 It's like there's an imaginary person and then they're like, there was no imaginary person.

01:19:40.000 I was like, I was having a bad day.

01:19:42.000 Not just imaginary person, but yell it out in the middle of a plane that's in the sky.

01:19:48.000 Was it already in the sky?

01:19:51.000 Or did she get kicked off the plane when it was on the ground?

01:19:53.000 Yeah, I think that.

01:19:54.000 I think it was in the sky.

01:19:55.000 So it was before?

01:19:56.000 Was it in the sky?

01:19:57.000 I think it was.

01:20:00.000 Imagine you're on the plane with a lady that says that someone's not real.

01:20:04.000 And you go, okay, one of two things is going on here.

01:20:06.000 Either she's nuts or I'm in a horror movie.

01:20:09.000 Right?

01:20:10.000 Because if she's right, you know, and like you look back, you're like, hey, what's going on with that guy's skin?

01:20:15.000 It's like, it starts bursting and fucking separating and it's like John Carpenter's a thing.

01:20:21.000 Turns out she was right.

01:20:21.000 Like, fuck.

01:20:22.000 He wasn't real.

01:20:23.000 He was morphing into something else.

01:20:25.000 Yeah, the odds of that are very small.

01:20:27.000 But in movies, it's very high.

01:20:29.000 So it's like, it's hard.

01:20:30.000 You got to take it with a grain of salt.

01:20:32.000 She might be right.

01:20:33.000 Imagine if she was right.

01:20:34.000 Oh, God.

01:20:35.000 And you have to find out.

01:20:37.000 And there's no communication on a plane.

01:20:39.000 The plane just goes in the middle of the ocean.

01:20:40.000 There's a fucking person who turns into an insect on board and starts attacking everybody.

01:20:44.000 Or a chest burster, like from that movie, Alien.

01:20:47.000 Fuck.

01:20:49.000 Why did it have to be me?

01:20:50.000 Anything can happen.

01:20:51.000 And then nobody believes it.

01:20:52.000 No one believes it.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, and then it becomes a conspiracy theory that people like autistic people obsess about on the internet.

01:20:59.000 They know what happened.

01:21:01.000 But that's okay.

01:21:02.000 They never follow up with what actually happened to her.

01:21:04.000 What's her life like now?

01:21:06.000 She's on a podcast with Conor McGregor.

01:21:08.000 Yeah, she's popping up at his place.

01:21:09.000 She was on Barstall doing stuff there for a while.

01:21:11.000 Oh, but she's doing something with Conor McGregor.

01:21:13.000 That's why I brought her up.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, he posted her today that she's going to be at his.

01:21:16.000 Maybe she could do something with the Hawk 2.

01:21:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:21.000 Maybe they could,'cause her career has kinda They could figure it out.

01:21:29.000 We'll put our best people on it.

01:21:31.000 She's going to the inn that he owns?

01:21:33.000 Yeah, I think it's just, you know, like an appearance or something like that.

01:21:36.000 She does appearances?

01:21:37.000 That's it.

01:21:38.000 She's been on the internet now for a thousand years.

01:21:41.000 That's very funny.

01:21:42.000 She complained about somebody disappearing, and now she's doing appearances.

01:21:45.000 Ruby sells better than Joe List.

01:21:47.000 Travesty.

01:21:48.000 There she is.

01:21:49.000 She's described as a marketing executive, too.

01:21:51.000 So I don't know that that was fake, but you know, crazy plane lady after she had a meltdown on a flight in 2023.

01:21:58.000 What did she say she saw?

01:22:00.000 I was reading through it because they did do a follow-up here where there's police.

01:22:05.000 Is that her down there?

01:22:06.000 Oh, she's hot.

01:22:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:07.000 Why does she not, why does she look different, Joe?

01:22:10.000 That always helps.

01:22:11.000 Look at that initial photo of her.

01:22:14.000 Start at the top.

01:22:14.000 How does that become...

01:22:18.000 How does it become that?

01:22:20.000 What happened?

01:22:21.000 That looks like a different person.

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:23.000 Scroll down, though.

01:22:23.000 Playing outfit.

01:22:24.000 Makeover.

01:22:25.000 Lost some weight.

01:22:26.000 Tighten everything up.

01:22:28.000 She's making the best out of it.

01:22:29.000 Okay, so what is she saying?

01:22:31.000 Oh, I mean, different.

01:22:33.000 She's in the spotlight.

01:22:34.000 She's remained in the spotlight since, appearing on podcast, YouTube shows, and giving tours of her sleek Texas home.

01:22:41.000 Oh, she's Texas crazy.

01:22:42.000 Even better.

01:22:43.000 Even better.

01:22:44.000 That's armed crazy.

01:22:45.000 Here was when it actually happened, and they followed her out.

01:22:48.000 And I was trying to read through here.

01:22:50.000 So what was she saying?

01:22:51.000 I don't care if I ever fly with y'all again.

01:22:54.000 I just want to know what happens to this flight here.

01:22:57.000 I'm not crazy.

01:22:58.000 Y'all's crazy.

01:22:59.000 Yeah, do not let that flight leave.

01:23:00.000 This flight's not going to make it to Orlando.

01:23:02.000 It's not going to.

01:23:04.000 Looking out the windows as they escort her, Goma says there's a lot of people on that flight.

01:23:08.000 So she really believes that there's something on that flight.

01:23:11.000 Maybe she took an edible.

01:23:14.000 Maybe someone slipped her a Mickey.

01:23:16.000 Like, what did she say she saw?

01:23:18.000 I know that she was smart enough for a while to milk it and tell you, like, you know, I'll tell you on this next podcast what was really.

01:23:24.000 That motherfucker's not real, she said.

01:23:26.000 And she's 38, so it's like a MILF.

01:23:30.000 MILF kind of crazy.

01:23:31.000 But imagine if you're the guy she's saying that you're not real and you're just right there.

01:23:34.000 Right, just chilling.

01:23:35.000 Like, you're not real.

01:23:36.000 It's like chilling with a hoodie on, trying to watch a YouTube video on your phone.

01:23:40.000 This fucking crazy bitch is screaming at you.

01:23:44.000 That's what I'm talking about journaling.

01:23:44.000 That's a great story.

01:23:46.000 What if you sit next to her on a plane?

01:23:48.000 She flips out, tells you you're not real.

01:23:49.000 What a gift that would be if you could tell the audience that you were a guy that was on the flight with that motherfucker's not real lady.

01:23:56.000 Here's the quote she said, which is, I thought the plane was going to blow up.

01:23:59.000 Oh, why?

01:24:01.000 I'm getting the fuck off, and there's a reason why I'm getting the fuck off.

01:24:04.000 That motherfucker back there is not real.

01:24:07.000 You can sit on this plane and you could fucking die with them or not.

01:24:10.000 I'm not going to.

01:24:11.000 Like, what?

01:24:12.000 Who's not real?

01:24:13.000 Who's the guy?

01:24:15.000 I mean, a motherfucker could have been.

01:24:16.000 Look at her out there talking to the cops.

01:24:18.000 She's getting.

01:24:18.000 Look at her.

01:24:20.000 She's pointing herself up.

01:24:21.000 I don't think she got arrested.

01:24:23.000 I think she calmly explained to the cops that someone wasn't real.

01:24:26.000 Oh, that's so funny.

01:24:28.000 Well, who's the guy, though?

01:24:29.000 I want to Know who the guy is.

01:24:30.000 That guy's not real.

01:24:31.000 That's the guy we should be interviewing.

01:24:35.000 Like, she's just trying to.

01:24:36.000 She appears more lucid at this point, but remains combative with officers.

01:24:40.000 One says to her, I can tell you're having a bad day.

01:24:42.000 We're not trying to make it any worse.

01:24:44.000 To which she responds, My dad's a cop.

01:24:46.000 Fuck you, dude.

01:24:47.000 Fuck you.

01:24:53.000 That's got nothing to do with anything.

01:24:55.000 My dad's a cop.

01:24:57.000 I love that.

01:24:58.000 She got into the evidence room, Jack.

01:25:01.000 Something happened there.

01:25:02.000 That's very funny.

01:25:05.000 I want to know who the guy is.

01:25:07.000 Yeah.

01:25:08.000 She could have been saying motherfucker not as a person.

01:25:10.000 Could have been pointing.

01:25:11.000 You know, the plane, the back of the plane is not real.

01:25:11.000 I don't know.

01:25:14.000 Something on there's not real.

01:25:15.000 She calls herself.

01:25:16.000 I like how she blurts out.

01:25:17.000 I might never fly again.

01:25:19.000 It's like threatening us.

01:25:20.000 That might not be your choice.

01:25:21.000 She's fucking psyched.

01:25:22.000 I'm going to take the bus.

01:25:23.000 Who's going to put you on a plane when you said someone's not real?

01:25:26.000 You got the incident, something about her AirPods losing, and she accused someone of stealing them.

01:25:32.000 But I don't know.

01:25:34.000 Then it just doesn't follow on that.

01:25:36.000 Oh, that could be.

01:25:38.000 Oh, that could be.

01:25:39.000 That actually makes some sense where it's like that someone stole her eye.

01:25:43.000 So she thought the plane was going to crash because someone stole her iPod.

01:25:45.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:25:46.000 Well, it rolls deep.

01:25:47.000 She's saying the plane is going to go down.

01:25:48.000 They're not going to live.

01:25:49.000 Everyone's going to die because someone stole her iPods.

01:25:53.000 None of that makes any sense.

01:25:54.000 She's kooky.

01:25:55.000 She's fun.

01:25:56.000 Yeah.

01:25:57.000 That's very fun.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 She probably gets on tables at bars.

01:26:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:00.000 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 She's probably one of them.

01:26:02.000 Well, she's successful now.

01:26:05.000 Oh, she's the girl at the comedy club.

01:26:07.000 It's my birthday.

01:26:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:09.000 She'd be the best in the front row.

01:26:10.000 You'd be so happy.

01:26:13.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:14.000 She's going to come to your shows now.

01:26:16.000 No, but that's, it's really something that's a, it's reflective of our society is that she parlayed that into some level of fame.

01:26:25.000 I'm sure she has a podcast.

01:26:26.000 I'm sure she has all kinds of like, you know, that's her character now.

01:26:30.000 Donna McGregor was Instagramming about her today.

01:26:32.000 So there you go.

01:26:34.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 The Hawk to a girl.

01:26:35.000 I mean, she made it all the way to a pump and dump Hawk to a coin.

01:26:39.000 You ever heard Metzker talk about it?

01:26:41.000 He's got the fucking best bit about it.

01:26:43.000 About the Hawk to a coin?

01:26:44.000 No.

01:26:45.000 I saw him last night, though.

01:26:47.000 He's such a lunatic.

01:26:48.000 I love that dude.

01:26:49.000 He's so funny.

01:26:50.000 He's just so nuts.

01:26:52.000 But he had this, like, like, who would have thought?

01:26:54.000 Who would have thought that would be a ripoff?

01:26:55.000 The Hawk to a coin?

01:26:58.000 Like, if you just.

01:26:59.000 He was connecting Taylor Swift to Epstein last night.

01:27:01.000 I saw him last night.

01:27:02.000 He's like, Taylor Swift, you don't think that there's something in the lights at those concerts that make you have amnesia?

01:27:08.000 I'm like, Kurt, I don't.

01:27:09.000 I don't know Kurt.

01:27:10.000 Well, he's been here for 20 years.

01:27:11.000 No, no, no.

01:27:12.000 Siri?

01:27:12.000 Yeah, he's connected.

01:27:13.000 He's connected.

01:27:14.000 And then Tommy Pope, who I love.

01:27:16.000 Tommy.

01:27:16.000 Wait a minute.

01:27:17.000 The lights give you amnesia?

01:27:18.000 This is.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, he brought it up.

01:27:20.000 I said, no, no, Kurt.

01:27:21.000 I never.

01:27:22.000 I said, Kurt, I never heard of that.

01:27:24.000 And he goes, no, no, it's real.

01:27:26.000 And then he brought it up on his phone.

01:27:28.000 And sure enough, it was the lights.

01:27:31.000 They pay hundreds of dollars for these tickets.

01:27:34.000 And then the lights at the Taylor Swift concert make you forget that you were at a concert.

01:27:40.000 They make you have amnesia.

01:27:41.000 How is that possible?

01:27:42.000 I don't know.

01:27:43.000 What's even crazier to me is how he connected it to Edstein, but he did it.

01:27:48.000 Transient global amnesia.

01:27:50.000 Taylor Swift fans report post-concert forgetfulness.

01:27:54.000 Maybe the plane girl wasn't wrong.

01:27:56.000 But here's my take on this.

01:27:58.000 She is in this rare air right now like the Beatles, like Elvis in his prime, where it's an emotional experience being in her presence if you're a Taylor Swifty.

01:28:10.000 Those fans are diehards.

01:28:12.000 She sells out stadiums, multiple shows in stadiums, right?

01:28:17.000 I think it's probably so emotional for them when they're standing in front of her and she's singing that afterwards they're so spent and racked, they're probably like, what happened?

01:28:27.000 It's probably like such a right.

01:28:29.000 Yeah, the Beatles had that effect in Elvis.

01:28:32.000 The women would be like crying and shaking.

01:28:34.000 They'd faint.

01:28:35.000 Michael Jackson in his prime.

01:28:37.000 People would faint if they saw him live.

01:28:39.000 They'd faint.

01:28:41.000 That's interesting.

01:28:42.000 That's way more likely.

01:28:44.000 But what about the lights?

01:28:45.000 But what about the lights causing seizures?

01:28:47.000 I guarantee you I go to that fucking concert and I come out with a perfect memory.

01:28:52.000 Okay?

01:28:53.000 Not that I don't like Taylor Swift, but I like some of her songs.

01:28:55.000 I really do.

01:28:56.000 One of her songs is on No Body, No Crime.

01:28:58.000 It's a great fucking song.

01:28:59.000 It's on our Spotify playlist.

01:29:02.000 But it wouldn't cause you to have amnesia?

01:29:03.000 I'd be fine.

01:29:04.000 I'd be fine.

01:29:05.000 I'd say, what a great show.

01:29:06.000 She's really talented.

01:29:08.000 I wouldn't go, what happened?

01:29:10.000 What happened?

01:29:11.000 But I tell you what, I did see the Rolling Stones when they were at Coda, and I felt like I was on a drug.

01:29:18.000 Like, I didn't feel like it was real.

01:29:20.000 Like, when they went out onto that stage, Mick Jagger's on that stage, button your lap, baby.

01:29:26.000 Like, you're like, I can't believe he's real.

01:29:28.000 I was standing there with my friend Bobby, who owns the racetrack, and I was going, I don't feel like I'm really here.

01:29:35.000 This feels like a drug.

01:29:36.000 This feels crazy.

01:29:37.000 Like, I'm watching Mick Jagger and Keith Richards and their lives.

01:29:41.000 They're right there.

01:29:42.000 It's like, and there's like 100,000 people.

01:29:45.000 It's a huge fucking crowd.

01:29:47.000 I was like, this is nuts, man.

01:29:49.000 This feels fake.

01:29:51.000 So I'm probably not, I'm a giant Rolling Stones fan, but I'm probably not as big a Rolling Stones fan as these Swifties are.

01:29:58.000 Like, they're her god, or she's their god, rather.

01:30:02.000 Like, you go to see.

01:30:03.000 Does that have to be enough of a thing to warrant an article on the internet?

01:30:08.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:30:10.000 Somebody at Yellow started a study on it.

01:30:11.000 I'm trying to see if they followed up on it.

01:30:16.000 I want to know what they do.

01:30:17.000 Are they a gender studies professor?

01:30:22.000 What kind of scholarship have you got to to get that position?

01:30:25.000 Do you happen to have a certain heritage that's profitable?

01:30:28.000 What are you doing?

01:30:29.000 But yeah, I didn't think it was a thing either.

01:30:31.000 And Kurt is like Kurt's a great comic, man.

01:30:34.000 He's so funny and he's great.

01:30:36.000 But it's like five minutes into the conversation, I'm like, I don't even, Kurt, I don't know what you're saying.

01:30:41.000 I don't know where everybody is.

01:30:42.000 I don't know what this is.

01:30:43.000 It is a CIA plant.

01:30:44.000 Everybody is like, you've been put there by the Rockefellers.

01:30:50.000 I'm so glad he and I are friends, and we've been friends for so long that he doesn't think I'm some sort of a plant.

01:30:56.000 That would be a real problem.

01:30:57.000 That would be something.

01:30:58.000 If Kurt leans in on you, he really thinks.

01:31:00.000 Oh, you don't think?

01:31:01.000 Yeah.

01:31:02.000 Oh, you don't think?

01:31:03.000 Oh, you don't think?

01:31:03.000 You don't know?

01:31:04.000 You don't know about the thing that happened in 73?

01:31:06.000 You don't know about the Kissinger thing?

01:31:08.000 the Kissinger thing?

01:31:09.000 You don't know?

01:31:10.000 Kurt, I don't.

01:31:11.000 I don't know any of this.

01:31:13.000 I tell him sometimes before I go on stage, I'm like, I have to be on stage in five minutes.

01:31:16.000 I can't do this.

01:31:17.000 Right now, I can't do this.

01:31:19.000 I'll be in my head with what you said on stage going, what the fuck is going on?

01:31:23.000 Is he right?

01:31:24.000 I'll be Googling shit.

01:31:25.000 Is this true?

01:31:26.000 Hey, Kurt, I love you, but not right now.

01:31:28.000 Oh, I tell him all the time.

01:31:29.000 He'll fucking corner you, dude.

01:31:31.000 He'll corner you.

01:31:32.000 And he looms over you.

01:31:33.000 He's a big goo.

01:31:34.000 Kurt's 6'5.

01:31:35.000 Fucking goo.

01:31:36.000 Kurt's 6'5.

01:31:36.000 And then he went on stage and destroyed last year.

01:31:38.000 Destroyed in the funniest way.

01:31:40.000 It's like completely original.

01:31:42.000 He's completely fashionable.

01:31:43.000 He's going to do a special infilmant at the club.

01:31:45.000 I'm very excited.

01:31:46.000 Very excited about that.

01:31:47.000 He's the man.

01:31:48.000 We got a great crew down here.

01:31:50.000 It's really fun.

01:31:52.000 I was there last night, man.

01:31:53.000 It was awesome.

01:31:53.000 How many days are you in town for?

01:31:55.000 I'm out now.

01:31:56.000 You're out now tonight?

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 Nice.

01:31:58.000 But I'm going to come back and try to do some more podcasts.

01:32:00.000 Cool.

01:32:01.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 Cool.

01:32:02.000 There's a lot here now.

01:32:04.000 A lot of people are here now.

01:32:05.000 Dunker Trussels here now.

01:32:06.000 But I've headlined the club several times, and I love it every time, man.

01:32:10.000 It's fun to do it.

01:32:10.000 I text you every time I'm here.

01:32:11.000 I'm like, it's the best, man.

01:32:13.000 I'm very happy.

01:32:14.000 That makes me very happy.

01:32:15.000 That's what we wanted to do, and I feel super lucky that we pulled it off.

01:32:19.000 It's hard to do.

01:32:20.000 A lot of things have to line up perfectly to be able to get a comic step.

01:32:25.000 It's a lot of the staff.

01:32:27.000 That's a huge part of it.

01:32:29.000 You could tell it was designed by a comic.

01:32:31.000 Yeah.

01:32:32.000 The club.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, designed by me, but also with a lot of input from everybody else.

01:32:38.000 Like Hinchcliffe had a lot of input.

01:32:40.000 Louis C.K. had a lot of input.

01:32:42.000 Brian Simpson had a lot of input.

01:32:44.000 All the guys that are regulars at the club, Ron White, everybody had their say.

01:32:48.000 Like I basically said, I don't have like an absolute fixed position on anything.

01:32:54.000 Tell me what you think.

01:32:55.000 Right, right, right.

01:32:56.000 And so a lot of the stuff, like the lights inside the green room, when the light goes on for each room, so you know who's got the light, the stage.

01:33:04.000 The time that someone's on stage, both from the stage and from the green room, all that.

01:33:09.000 Like, I think the lights were Tony's idea.

01:33:13.000 I think the time might have been Simpson's idea.

01:33:15.000 So it's all like everybody had their own say in what we do.

01:33:19.000 Louis told me to lower the ceiling in the little room and in the big room.

01:33:22.000 I did that.

01:33:23.000 He told me to make the stage smaller in the little room.

01:33:25.000 I did that.

01:33:26.000 Like I did whatever anybody said.

01:33:28.000 Like Louie's like, you need more sound deadening.

01:33:30.000 You should put carpet down.

01:33:31.000 Forget about the bounce that you get from the loudness of the echo does make it louder, but it also makes it a little harder to hear what you're saying.

01:33:38.000 I'm like, you're right.

01:33:39.000 And so we did everything everybody wanted.

01:33:41.000 Every suggestion.

01:33:42.000 The acoustics and the low ceilings are key, man.

01:33:44.000 It's everything.

01:33:45.000 Low ceilings, everything.

01:33:46.000 The crispness of what you're saying, especially if you're like a softer spoken guy.

01:33:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:50.000 And you're following somebody who's like a yeller.

01:33:52.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:33:53.000 Yeah, you have to.

01:33:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:54.000 You adjust the sound, but it's still, it's like the crispness matters.

01:33:58.000 It's got to be clear.

01:33:59.000 And, you know, it took us a while to dial everything in.

01:34:01.000 The right volume and, you know, the lighting.

01:34:03.000 So the light was like, sometimes the audience would be lit up a little bit too much.

01:34:07.000 Like, no, you got to darken that.

01:34:08.000 You got to do that.

01:34:09.000 It took a little while, but once we dialed it in, man, it's been pretty smooth for like we were going on, it'll be our third year in March.

01:34:17.000 That's awesome.

01:34:18.000 It's like seems like it just happened.

01:34:18.000 It's crazy.

01:34:20.000 And the big room is great.

01:34:21.000 It's great to headline that, but I just popped in at the small room last night, and that's, that's really great.

01:34:26.000 It's one of the best rooms in the world.

01:34:28.000 To work out.

01:34:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:29.000 Like, you can really, you really have the freedom to sit there and like play with and work out the material.

01:34:34.000 And that's really what you need.

01:34:36.000 You need like you need an experimental place where you can fail a little bit.

01:34:42.000 Where you can fuck around.

01:34:43.000 And that little room is like the chamber of truth.

01:34:43.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 Because if you've got some bullshit in your act and there's only 100 people in the room, it seems obvious.

01:34:52.000 You're like, ew.

01:34:53.000 But that's like the old Boston Comedy Club in New York.

01:34:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:56.000 Remember that place?

01:34:57.000 So it's like the last days of the Boston.

01:34:57.000 Exactly.

01:34:59.000 It looks like a log cabin in the back, you know?

01:35:02.000 And then there's like, you know, during the winter time when I first got there, 2004, it's like there'd be four people, five people.

01:35:09.000 You know, the comics would bark people in.

01:35:11.000 And it's like, you had to.

01:35:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:13.000 Yeah.

01:35:14.000 And the belly room, the belly room at the store.

01:35:16.000 Have you ever done that?

01:35:16.000 Yes.

01:35:17.000 The belly room was amazing.

01:35:18.000 It's so good for that.

01:35:19.000 Because the belly room, I think, is really only supposed to have like 70 people in it.

01:35:24.000 And a lot of times it's way over that.

01:35:26.000 Especially for roast battle.

01:35:28.000 Like they'd do roast battle sometimes, and I'd be in the kitchen.

01:35:30.000 I'd be like, has anybody ever checked to make sure this fucking ceiling can support all those folks?

01:35:34.000 Because people would jump around and you would like, you'd hear it.

01:35:38.000 Like, oh, it would suck if this caved in.

01:35:40.000 Because that fucking building's so old.

01:35:42.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 I mean, that building, our building's even older at the mothership, but at least it's been like rebuilt.

01:35:47.000 That building at the store, that was Ciro's nightclub in the 1950s, right?

01:35:54.000 When was Ciro's?

01:35:56.000 And then it was the comedy store from the 70s.

01:35:59.000 So like, nobody's like checked to see if those beams are any good.

01:36:05.000 Like, we've got a fucking termites and shit eaten through.

01:36:08.000 Because at one point in time, the wall, the back wall behind it was in danger because the hill was collapsing.

01:36:16.000 And so they had a reinforcement with like steel rebar and giant beams and shit.

01:36:21.000 It's funny because if something did happen, everybody would think it was a prank.

01:36:25.000 They would go, oh, this has got to be some kind of a prank.

01:36:27.000 It's like, no, the ceiling actually.

01:36:30.000 So in 1940, Ciro's became a popular night spot for celebrities.

01:36:34.000 1940.

01:36:35.000 Nightclub closed in 1960.

01:36:37.000 It was reopened as a rock club in 1965.

01:36:40.000 After a few name changes, it became the comedy store in 72.

01:36:43.000 Wow.

01:36:45.000 Club Seville.

01:36:46.000 Was that what it was before?

01:36:47.000 Club Seville?

01:36:49.000 So it was Club Seville in 1935.

01:36:51.000 It opened New Year's Eve in 1935.

01:36:53.000 It featured a crystal dance floor with subsurface fish.

01:36:58.000 So it had fish underneath the dance floor, fountains and colored lights in its crystal marine room.

01:37:05.000 The building was remodeled in January 1940.

01:37:07.000 Cereals was opened.

01:37:09.000 Wow.

01:37:10.000 Crazy.

01:37:12.000 A lot of people were whacked in that place.

01:37:14.000 And no renovations have been done since.

01:37:16.000 Oh, Bugsy Seagull.

01:37:17.000 It was Bugsy Seagull's joint.

01:37:18.000 That was the thing.

01:37:19.000 People got whacked in that place.

01:37:21.000 That's why a lot of people believe that it's haunted.

01:37:23.000 Oh, that's really funny.

01:37:25.000 It's got a weird energy to it, man.

01:37:27.000 That place has the weirdest energy.

01:37:28.000 The history of it.

01:37:30.000 The weirdest energy.

01:37:30.000 The weirdest.

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 That's awesome, man.

01:37:35.000 It's got history.

01:37:36.000 Yeah.

01:37:37.000 Massive, massive history in that building.

01:37:39.000 Like, you feel it in the walls.

01:37:40.000 Right.

01:37:41.000 I believe that.

01:37:44.000 Jimi Hendrix?

01:37:46.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:46.000 65 Syros reopened as the Rock Club Cyros La Disc.

01:37:51.000 Ike and Tina Turner performed at the newly opened club with Jimi Hendrix as part of their band.

01:37:57.000 Holy shit, man.

01:37:59.000 The Birds got their start at Cyros in 1965.

01:38:02.000 Accounts of the period reproduced in the sleeve notes to the pre-flight sessions box set described a church-like atmosphere with interpretive dancing.

01:38:12.000 Ew.

01:38:13.000 The club also served as the host during the recording of 1965 Dick Dale album, Rock Out with Dick Dale and his Dell Tones.

01:38:24.000 Boy, people were lame before the internet.

01:38:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:27.000 Look at the other two names for it.

01:38:28.000 The Kaleidoscope, It's Boss.

01:38:31.000 Oh, Kaleidoscope in 68, and then it was called It's Boss in 69, and known as the Patch.

01:38:37.000 Oh, in 69, it was known as the Patch 2.

01:38:41.000 And then the store from 72 on till present.

01:38:45.000 Yeah, because comedy was done in like jazz clubs and stuff, right?

01:38:48.000 Or like poetry readings.

01:38:50.000 You know what the oldest comedy club in the country is?

01:38:53.000 No.

01:38:54.000 Is it really?

01:38:54.000 The Ice House.

01:38:55.000 The Ice House in Pasadena.

01:38:56.000 I did not know that.

01:38:56.000 Yeah, the Ice House in Pasadena was the oldest running club.

01:39:03.000 So it was like, I think it was a music club at first.

01:39:07.000 And then, well, at first it started out as an actual ice house back when people didn't have freezers.

01:39:13.000 You would get a giant chunk of ice from Alaska or some shit, and they put it in, you know, like insulated, giant steel boxes and transport it to cities.

01:39:21.000 And you would be able to go to there and buy ice for your ice box.

01:39:24.000 And you'd put it, you know, in an insulated box in your home, and that's how it would keep your milk cold.

01:39:29.000 Like, literally, that's what an ice house is.

01:39:31.000 And so then it became, I think it was a rock club for a little while, and then it became a comedy club earlier than the store.

01:39:31.000 That's awesome.

01:39:38.000 When did the ice house first start doing comedy?

01:39:41.000 I think it's the longest-running stand-up comedy club in the world.

01:39:46.000 I'm pretty sure they were like early 70s, late 60s that they started doing stand-up there.

01:39:55.000 But they remodeled now.

01:39:56.000 I haven't been to the new one.

01:40:00.000 Are you on the road at all?

01:40:01.000 No?

01:40:01.000 No.

01:40:03.000 No, even my last special, I did it all just working out at the club, and then I did the special in San Antonio.

01:40:10.000 I'm fucking a traveling, man.

01:40:10.000 That's great.

01:40:12.000 I'm done.

01:40:13.000 Oldest, 1960.

01:40:15.000 Oh, wow.

01:40:16.000 1960.

01:40:18.000 But I think in the beginning it wasn't a comedy club.

01:40:22.000 I think in the beginning it was something else.

01:40:25.000 I think it was like a rock club.

01:40:27.000 But I think that was only for like a few years.

01:40:29.000 So maybe like 62 as a so what does it say?

01:40:33.000 60 to 78, the ice house was a folk music.

01:40:36.000 Oh, so 78.

01:40:38.000 So it's not the oldest comedy club.

01:40:38.000 Okay.

01:40:41.000 They did comedy.

01:40:42.000 Many comedians also appeared in the club.

01:40:44.000 In 1978, the original owners were bought out by a trio of investors led by Bob Fisher.

01:40:49.000 Shout out to Bob, my homie, who changed the format of the club to stand-up comedy.

01:40:53.000 So Bob was a comic.

01:40:54.000 So in 78, he changed it to flat comedy.

01:40:57.000 So it was kind of like a hodgepodge in like 72?

01:41:00.000 It was mixed like musical performers and like comedians.

01:41:03.000 Boy, before they remodeled it, it was the greatest club.

01:41:06.000 It was so good that you couldn't use it.

01:41:09.000 Like if you wanted to do an audition tape, people wouldn't accept audition tapes at the ice house because everybody killed there.

01:41:15.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:16.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 That was really.

01:41:19.000 That's how good it was.

01:41:20.000 That's how good the environment was.

01:41:22.000 It was that good.

01:41:24.000 So you would go there and kill, and then you'd go to other clubs.

01:41:26.000 People would go, no, no, no, that's Ice House.

01:41:28.000 It's too easy there.

01:41:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:29.000 That's how good it was.

01:41:30.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:41:31.000 That's nuts.

01:41:32.000 Why would you fix that?

01:41:33.000 Why would you change that at all?

01:41:34.000 If you have that formula where it's so good that people don't allow you to use tapes from there, I would never touch it.

01:41:44.000 I would keep it exactly the same way it is forever.

01:41:46.000 And if I bought that place, I would find the old blueprints.

01:41:49.000 I'd be like, we're tearing down all this shit and bringing it right.

01:41:52.000 I want to find where the old floor is.

01:41:54.000 Do you have the old floor anywhere?

01:41:55.000 Did you guys save the old floor?

01:41:56.000 There should be something about the people, though.

01:41:59.000 Going there, too.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, Pasadena is like more relaxed.

01:42:02.000 You know, LA, everybody thinks they're famous.

01:42:05.000 Everybody's like, I should be up there.

01:42:07.000 You know, like a lot of industry assholes who don't care about people on stage, arms crossed.

01:42:12.000 And everybody's an influencer now, so it's like even worse.

01:42:16.000 But even back then, everybody wanted to be famous.

01:42:18.000 Whereas Pasadena is just regular people.

01:42:20.000 It's like a road gig.

01:42:21.000 So it's fun.

01:42:23.000 They're relaxed.

01:42:24.000 Pasadena was like the place where the producers would live.

01:42:27.000 Like the stars would all live in the Hollywood Hills, and the producers would all move out to Pasadena and have like normal lives in the early days of Hollywood.

01:42:34.000 So there's beautiful houses out there.

01:42:36.000 But that's where you would want to do well, I would imagine, back in the day when there was an industry and they cared if someone was talented or not, you'd want to go in front of a crowd that was, they lived there.

01:42:45.000 So they would come out and then they would see you crush and they would be like, this guy should have a show.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, but I don't think they went to those clubs.

01:42:51.000 No?

01:42:52.000 No, I think it was like more the people that lived there.

01:42:54.000 I don't think it was ever an industry thing, which is why it was so good.

01:42:58.000 Because it just was funny.

01:43:00.000 It was just comedy.

01:43:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:02.000 It wasn't like, this is my shot at getting a sitcom.

01:43:06.000 Which is like a lot of the clubs.

01:43:07.000 We had that for a lot of years.

01:43:08.000 It's like, you never know who's in the audience.

01:43:10.000 Wear a suit.

01:43:11.000 Yeah, wear a suit and don't do new material.

01:43:13.000 Like, it was the worst.

01:43:15.000 And Mitzi stopped all that shit.

01:43:17.000 She put a stop to all that shit.

01:43:18.000 She wanted you to do new stuff.

01:43:20.000 Like, she forced it.

01:43:23.000 She's like, you can't just develop a 10-minute set and do the same goddamn set over and over again, hoping that it's going to lead you to a show.

01:43:30.000 Plus, that's torture anyway.

01:43:32.000 It's torture for the comic to do that anyway, to not try anything else, just to go up and do the same 10 minutes.

01:43:38.000 That's crazy.

01:43:39.000 They all did it.

01:43:40.000 A lot of guys did it.

01:43:41.000 Because that was the thing back then.

01:43:42.000 It's like, if you could pull that off and you could get a sitcom, you could be Tim Allen, you know?

01:43:47.000 You could be Roseanne.

01:43:48.000 You could be.

01:43:49.000 If you just had something that they could package and sell, man, you would write that Willy Wonka golden ticket.

01:43:56.000 Now you're in the Hollywood Hills driving a Mercedes.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, There's a financial motivation to it, I'm sure.

01:44:03.000 But it's nice to have rooms that you can go and experiment and you don't have to feel any of that pressure.

01:44:10.000 And then when you get it tight, then you do your power and then people can look at that.

01:44:14.000 Yeah.

01:44:15.000 Well, that's the great thing about the Austin scene right now is just on our street alone, there's five full-time comedy clubs.

01:44:22.000 On the street?

01:44:23.000 Really?

01:44:23.000 Within five minutes, a five-minute walk of my club, there's five clubs.

01:44:23.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 First, there's really good ones like The Creek.

01:44:30.000 The Creek in the Cave is great.

01:44:32.000 That's just up the street.

01:44:33.000 It's a block away.

01:44:34.000 And then you have the Sunset Room, which is like five doors down.

01:44:38.000 Great room.

01:44:39.000 And then you have Vulcan, great room, couple doors down.

01:44:43.000 You have the Velveeta Room, which is a smaller room I haven't been to, but that's got a long history to it.

01:44:47.000 There's a bunch of other ones, too, that I don't even know about.

01:44:49.000 I was happy to see The Creek out here.

01:44:51.000 And I played The Creek before, Rebecca.

01:44:54.000 They got a great room, too.

01:44:55.000 It's a perfect little room.

01:44:56.000 It's really tight, tight seating, great stage.

01:44:59.000 Now, what's going on on 6th Street after late night?

01:45:05.000 Murder.

01:45:08.000 Every time I work your club, I come out after, you know, everybody's so cool, professional.

01:45:14.000 And they're like, you need me to walk you back?

01:45:16.000 I'm like, no, I'm good.

01:45:17.000 And then I'll just stand out there and I'll just watch it happen.

01:45:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:21.000 I'll watch it happen.

01:45:22.000 I'll go, how is this happening?

01:45:26.000 How is this legal?

01:45:27.000 Like, the cops are just standing in, they're not in SWAT gear, but they're all standing in a line on either end of the street.

01:45:35.000 And it's just the bars are blaring music.

01:45:37.000 And I just take video of it on my phone.

01:45:39.000 I don't even post it.

01:45:40.000 I just take it just because I can't believe what's happening.

01:45:43.000 And what's the business model behind that?

01:45:46.000 Because people then, it's like it slowly descends.

01:45:49.000 And then you see people getting arrested.

01:45:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:52.000 And then they're being taken away.

01:45:54.000 And then they go back.

01:45:55.000 And then they're just sitting there waiting for the next crazy thing to kick off.

01:46:00.000 So I guess it's just the bars making money or wanting to make money.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 From young people.

01:46:06.000 Until young drunk people.

01:46:08.000 It was all dangerous.

01:46:09.000 You know, there was no good spot to go to in that spot.

01:46:13.000 We're in the dirty area of the 6th Street.

01:46:14.000 If you go to, I guess it's...

01:46:18.000 Is that East or West, Jamie?

01:46:19.000 West.

01:46:20.000 West is really nice.

01:46:20.000 West 6.

01:46:22.000 You get out to West 6, great restaurants.

01:46:24.000 It's real nice.

01:46:25.000 It gets very safe.

01:46:27.000 We're in the area where it's super sketchy.

01:46:29.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 But other cities are doing that too.

01:46:32.000 I was like in Baltimore working the Port Comedy Club, which is a very, it's a very cool club.

01:46:37.000 But in that area, too, it's like, it's just, it looks like there's just mayhem happening in a designated area.

01:46:44.000 And I'm wondering what the mentality of the city government is there.

01:46:48.000 You know, it just looks nuts.

01:46:50.000 But it looks like somebody's letting it happen in this contained area.

01:46:54.000 I need to put on my cop hat right now.

01:46:56.000 No, they are letting it happen.

01:46:57.000 That's why 6th Street is closed off to traffic.

01:47:00.000 They're walking around.

01:47:01.000 And they're letting people walk around and they're all hammered.

01:47:04.000 So they're letting people walk around drunk and there's taco trucks everywhere.

01:47:08.000 It's fun.

01:47:09.000 If you're young, it's fun.

01:47:10.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:47:11.000 You just don't want to hear pop, pop, pop.

01:47:13.000 You don't want to hear guns break out because it's happened a few times down there.

01:47:16.000 Because there's a bunch of, you know, very shady people who go down there as well because it's a fun place to be seen.

01:47:24.000 You know, and a bunch of people go down there and it's all kinds of walks of life.

01:47:28.000 Everyone's hammered.

01:47:29.000 And I'm sure there's a lot of drug use and there's a lot of maniacs.

01:47:33.000 It just seems very young and very volatile.

01:47:35.000 It's also an exciting place to have a comedy club because all the chaos of the street, it's like you're crackling by the time you get through the door.

01:47:42.000 You're like, woo, we're inside now.

01:47:44.000 You know, and it's, it's fun.

01:47:46.000 And, you know, we obviously have a very tight security system because of that.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 Because of that.

01:47:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:51.000 Because you don't want that bleeding into the club.

01:47:53.000 No, look at this.

01:47:54.000 What's going on here?

01:47:55.000 That's one of the nightly fights that happens there.

01:47:57.000 People are fighting.

01:47:58.000 Yeah.

01:47:58.000 You can go out there any night you want.

01:48:00.000 Oh, we don't need to see this.

01:48:00.000 Bob's just showing you guys.

01:48:01.000 He's going to slap this guy.

01:48:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:03.000 They're going to fight.

01:48:04.000 But before that, you know, chaos in the streets.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, chaos and shitty pizza.

01:48:08.000 Look at these people fighting and brawling.

01:48:11.000 Yeah, a lot of drugs.

01:48:12.000 A lot of psychos.

01:48:15.000 Oh, girls in slides.

01:48:16.000 Girl lost her shoe.

01:48:18.000 Maniac.

01:48:19.000 I want to ride that bull next time I'm in town.

01:48:20.000 Oh, it's a bullet next door.

01:48:22.000 There's a mechanical bull right.

01:48:24.000 You have a bad back.

01:48:25.000 Why are you going to ride a bull?

01:48:26.000 What are you fucking crazy?

01:48:27.000 It might stretch it out.

01:48:28.000 You get hurt bad, too.

01:48:30.000 Can you?

01:48:30.000 Yeah.

01:48:31.000 From a bull?

01:48:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:32.000 People get KO'd.

01:48:33.000 They break arms.

01:48:34.000 Yeah.

01:48:35.000 I got to make sure.

01:48:36.000 You fall on it funny.

01:48:37.000 Your fucking elbow snap sideways.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, no good.

01:48:39.000 Don't do it.

01:48:40.000 How old are you?

01:48:41.000 52.

01:48:42.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:48:42.000 You're not riding a bull.

01:48:44.000 Listen to me.

01:48:44.000 I'm in my 50s too.

01:48:46.000 I'm almost 60.

01:48:46.000 Don't ride a bull.

01:48:48.000 But just as a bucket list thing.

01:48:50.000 If that's on your bucket list, you need a new bucket list.

01:48:53.000 Mechanical bull?

01:48:54.000 I want to ride the mechanical bull.

01:48:55.000 Ride a fucking real bull.

01:48:56.000 You really want to ride a bull?

01:48:58.000 Go ride a real one.

01:48:59.000 And if you live, you'd be like, I did it.

01:49:01.000 And if you have a limp for the rest of your life, you go, well, that was dumb.

01:49:05.000 And that's if you're lucky, if you don't get a horn up your asshole.

01:49:08.000 Because definitely that happens.

01:49:09.000 I've seen a lot of those.

01:49:10.000 Really?

01:49:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:11.000 I saw the Matador one.

01:49:13.000 That's an embarrassing copay.

01:49:14.000 You ever see the Matador one who got one through the chin?

01:49:17.000 He gets it through the chin and the horn is coming out of his mouth.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:21.000 He gets the horn through the bottom of his jaw and it goes through the roof, through here, and out his mouth.

01:49:29.000 The horn is popping out of his mouth.

01:49:31.000 Oh, my God.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, fuck that.

01:49:33.000 Look at this.

01:49:34.000 No, that's right.

01:49:35.000 I'll show you that.

01:49:35.000 We'll do that one first, I guess.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, show me that.

01:49:37.000 This is crazy, too.

01:49:38.000 I don't want to see that one.

01:49:39.000 I don't want to see people fly through me.

01:49:40.000 No, that wasn't.

01:49:41.000 This was Mexican OT doing it.

01:49:43.000 Oh, no, Mexican OT.

01:49:44.000 What are you doing?

01:49:45.000 Yeah, watch what he does.

01:49:46.000 This is insane.

01:49:47.000 Okay.

01:49:50.000 I'll turn off the music, but.

01:49:52.000 Letting a rodeo cowboy stand on his back.

01:49:54.000 They're going to release the bull here.

01:49:56.000 One, two, three.

01:49:57.000 Bull go.

01:50:00.000 Okay.

01:50:00.000 Sorry.

01:50:01.000 I can't hear the music.

01:50:03.000 Why can't I hear the music?

01:50:05.000 Here he goes.

01:50:06.000 No!

01:50:07.000 Why did he do that?

01:50:10.000 You let it go right over his back.

01:50:12.000 Oh, don't do that.

01:50:12.000 Because it didn't have to go over your back.

01:50:14.000 He's still fucking with it.

01:50:15.000 And he's fucking with it?

01:50:16.000 He's out of his mind.

01:50:17.000 He's out of his mind.

01:50:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:50:20.000 He's out of his mind.

01:50:20.000 What was he on?

01:50:21.000 I want to know what kind of drugs made him think that was a good idea.

01:50:25.000 Because he's not like the most spry of foot fellows.

01:50:27.000 Talented rapper.

01:50:28.000 Do you know who Mexican OT?

01:50:30.000 No.

01:50:30.000 Oh, he's a bad motherfucker.

01:50:31.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:50:32.000 Well, apparently.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, he's crazy, but his rap's awesome.

01:50:36.000 He's great.

01:50:37.000 But he was a guest on the podcast before, and he's been to the club a few times.

01:50:40.000 There you go.

01:50:41.000 Yeah.

01:50:43.000 So this one guy.

01:50:44.000 Okay, so that's running with the bull.

01:50:45.000 That's different.

01:50:46.000 That guy got it through the calf.

01:50:47.000 He's fucked for life.

01:50:48.000 But there's a video, there's a photo of there, that guy.

01:50:52.000 There's a guy who got it through the mouth.

01:50:55.000 Just Google Matador takes hoof through or takes mammoth.

01:51:03.000 You put type mammoth.

01:51:04.000 Yeah, that guy.

01:51:05.000 Far left.

01:51:06.000 Look at that.

01:51:06.000 Look at that one.

01:51:07.000 That's a dead man.

01:51:09.000 He's dead.

01:51:11.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:51:12.000 Through the bottom of his jaw.

01:51:15.000 Through his mouth.

01:51:19.000 Did he die?

01:51:21.000 Still insisted killing bulls.

01:51:24.000 Oh, multiple guys have had it.

01:51:25.000 It's happened to multiple guys?

01:51:26.000 Oh, geez.

01:51:29.000 Oh, he's recovering.

01:51:30.000 Recovering well for the first guy.

01:51:32.000 Pierced in throat and tongue.

01:51:34.000 I wouldn't say pierced.

01:51:36.000 That's a bit of a UFO.

01:51:37.000 It shot through his face.

01:51:38.000 I don't know if that's pierced.

01:51:39.000 Gourd.

01:51:40.000 Oh, God.

01:51:41.000 Oh, gourd is a good word, only used with bulls.

01:51:43.000 Suffering infection.

01:51:44.000 That's it?

01:51:46.000 He has to have a lisp or something.

01:51:48.000 Jesus Christ, man.

01:51:49.000 Oh, God.

01:51:50.000 Right in the ribs.

01:51:52.000 Fuck, dude.

01:51:54.000 That's a fun story.

01:51:55.000 No, that guy probably don't have a story.

01:51:58.000 That's probably a dead guy.

01:52:01.000 There's a lot of those guys die.

01:52:03.000 I mean, these things are so powerful, man.

01:52:10.000 By the time they get out there, that's the other dirty thing about the bullfighting thing.

01:52:14.000 They stabbed that thing with spears multiple times before it ever even gets out to him.

01:52:20.000 One-eyed Matador, who's been injured by bullsum 40 times.

01:52:24.000 Once again, gored by one of the animals.

01:52:26.000 That guy's trying to die.

01:52:27.000 He's dedicated.

01:52:28.000 He is.

01:52:29.000 I mean, if you're going to have a vision, he's the Matador version of Davatelle.

01:52:37.000 Just on the grind.

01:52:39.000 This guy's on the grind.

01:52:40.000 He's got fucking plates and screws.

01:52:42.000 Just adversity.

01:52:43.000 Just overcome adversity.

01:52:45.000 Fake knees, fucking hip replacement.

01:52:47.000 He's probably fucked up, man.

01:52:49.000 If you've been 40 times, what are the odds?

01:52:51.000 40 times.

01:52:52.000 Yeah, what are the odds you can dance?

01:52:53.000 40 times.

01:52:55.000 You can't dance.

01:52:55.000 Can you play pickleball?

01:52:58.000 I mean, health insurance in Europe must be different because I think that stuff's all covered.

01:53:03.000 I wonder.

01:53:04.000 Yeah, imagine you're a matador getting insurance as a matador.

01:53:12.000 Another pool accident?

01:53:14.000 You come to the emergency room for the 40th time.

01:53:16.000 Another one?

01:53:16.000 Do you think you should try another line of work?

01:53:18.000 It's probably like California fire insurance.

01:53:20.000 Like, you can't get it.

01:53:21.000 Yeah.

01:53:22.000 And what do those guys do now?

01:53:23.000 Do they not get it?

01:53:24.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:53:25.000 They can't get it.

01:53:26.000 It's hard to tell.

01:53:26.000 Jamie, I just sent you another thing that James Lee posted, but it's all the different places where the money went from the fire relief.

01:53:33.000 It went to all these different nonprofits, and the people who own the homes haven't gotten it yet.

01:53:36.000 I don't know what's true, what's not true, but there's a lot of reporters who are reporting on this.

01:53:40.000 There's a disturbing lack of transparency in where all the money that was raised went and where it's going, which is the dirty secret about nonprofits is that there's a bunch of people that work for those nonprofits that get hefty salaries.

01:53:53.000 Right.

01:53:53.000 They're operating this under this umbrella.

01:53:56.000 $100 million Fire Aid Concert was never about the fire victims, became a slush fund for Steve Ballmer, Wallace Annenberg, and Irving Azoff's Friends with handouts to music orgs, the NAACP, a nonprofit for nonprofits, and even a charity tied to Israel.

01:54:13.000 Well, this is the thing.

01:54:14.000 It's like they can just distribute the money to nonprofits.

01:54:18.000 Left wondering where the $100 million from FireAid Benefit Concert went to.

01:54:22.000 Money directed to 188 different nonprofits.

01:54:26.000 This is nuts, man.

01:54:27.000 Wow.

01:54:29.000 But this is the problem with nonprofits.

01:54:32.000 So this money was supposed to go to rebuild the houses?

01:54:35.000 I mean, people just, look, you want to help, right?

01:54:38.000 You hear about a thing that's going to do a benefit for the wildfires.

01:54:41.000 You join in.

01:54:42.000 A bunch of money gets raised.

01:54:44.000 You hope for the best.

01:54:44.000 You're like, I hope that money is going to be.

01:54:45.000 10% operating cost.

01:54:47.000 It's probably a lot worse than that.

01:54:49.000 A lot of them are a lot worse than that because a lot of them, unfortunately, are actual businesses.

01:54:53.000 And their business is running a charity.

01:54:55.000 And that's how they pay all these people to get paid.

01:54:58.000 And some of the money goes to the charity that wouldn't have gone to the charity before, but it's not efficient.

01:55:03.000 No, not at all.

01:55:04.000 A large percentage of it goes to operating costs and salaries and executives that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

01:55:10.000 Yeah, with the safety of operating under a nonprofit umbrella.

01:55:13.000 Yeah, it's not fair.

01:55:14.000 It's weird, man.

01:55:15.000 It's a weird, dirty little loophole that, you know, real charity and real philanthropy is beautiful.

01:55:21.000 It's beautiful that people want to donate money and help people.

01:55:23.000 It's awesome.

01:55:24.000 But then when you find out that you get real cynical when you find out the operating costs, you find out how much of the money actually goes to the actual issue versus goes to these executives.

01:55:35.000 You're like, oh, fuck, man.

01:55:37.000 Right, right.

01:55:37.000 It's a bummer.

01:55:38.000 It really is a bummer.

01:55:40.000 It takes people's generosity.

01:55:44.000 And then people don't want to give anymore, you know?

01:55:46.000 Because they're like, oh, this money's not even going to this cause.

01:55:49.000 There's a lot of grossness in the world, man.

01:55:52.000 And there's a lot.

01:55:54.000 The L.A. homelessness thing is crazy.

01:55:57.000 People are going to get prosecuted for that.

01:55:58.000 There's billions of dollars missing.

01:56:00.000 A bunch of inappropriately allocated funds have gone to this and to that.

01:56:05.000 And there's all these allegations.

01:56:07.000 You haven't put a debt in the homeless problem, but you spent $20-something billion dollars on it.

01:56:13.000 The whole thing is bananas.

01:56:15.000 I mean, there's got to be some push for mental health.

01:56:20.000 That's the whole thing is mental health.

01:56:22.000 Because that's really, it's just acted out on the streets now, and there's no mental health facilities for anybody to get better.

01:56:27.000 Well, it's all addicts and mentally ill people.

01:56:30.000 Right.

01:56:30.000 And mentally ill addicts.

01:56:32.000 And unless you address it at the root level, like you're going to have to get everybody on Ibogaine.

01:56:36.000 You're going to send all those people down to Costa Rica or Mexico, get them on Ibogaine, take them through intensive counseling, reintroduce them into society, get them jobs.

01:56:47.000 This ain't as easy as you give some person who has a liberal arts degree a half a million dollar a year salary to run this nonprofit to aid the homeless people and then it turns out they don't do any work at all and one of the things that they had there was this uh homeless uh shelter that they put that only three percent of the people that went through, like 35 people, escaped homelessness after they left there.

01:57:13.000 The other ones went right back.

01:57:15.000 So it was completely ineffective.

01:57:17.000 But it's like such a multi-tiered problem.

01:57:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:21.000 It's like they have mental health issues.

01:57:23.000 There's medication involved in that.

01:57:25.000 It's like you have to take your medication.

01:57:27.000 First of all, you have to have the medication.

01:57:29.000 Then you have to take it on some kind of a regimen every day.

01:57:32.000 And then you have to be housed somewhere.

01:57:34.000 You have to have the discipline to get up and bathe yourself and take a shower and let the meds work.

01:57:40.000 I mean, there's a time frame where you have to let the meds work.

01:57:44.000 And it's also in LA, the numbers are too high.

01:57:47.000 It's too many people.

01:57:48.000 And it was too many people way before this problem.

01:57:51.000 When we were filming Fear Factor downtown in the early 2000s, I remember I was driving home one night and I drove by Skid Row.

01:58:00.000 And Skid Row was a place where they would take all the vagrants and all the problem people from Hollywood and everywhere else and they would just relocate them to Skid Row.

01:58:11.000 And they started doing this a long time ago.

01:58:13.000 And it was in that documentary about that hotel, Jamie.

01:58:16.000 Was that a hotel called again?

01:58:18.000 That one hotel where that lady wound up missing and it turned out she had had an episode where she wasn't taking her medication and jumped into the water tank.

01:58:27.000 Oh, I think I remember.

01:58:28.000 I did see that.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:29.000 Yeah, a long time ago.

01:58:31.000 I forget the name of the hotel, but it's a famous hotel that's on this, the Cecil Hotel.

01:58:36.000 It used to be a beautiful hotel, now it's chaos.

01:58:38.000 And it's all vagrants and homeless people, and the whole area is just completely fucked because they moved all those people down there.

01:58:45.000 But was the thing about the hotel, was it like half a hotel and half for homeless housing?

01:58:52.000 Or half residential and half homeless housing.

01:58:55.000 They do that with some places for sure.

01:58:56.000 And they have had some places.

01:58:58.000 One of the that hotel that's in the Doors album cover, what was that place?

01:59:05.000 That burnt down recently.

01:59:07.000 Burnt down like a couple of years ago.

01:59:10.000 It's on one of the Doors albums.

01:59:13.000 And homeless people started a fire in that place and burnt it to the ground.

01:59:17.000 It's the Morrison Hotel.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, the Morrison Hotel.

01:59:21.000 Duh.

01:59:23.000 I could not remember that.

01:59:24.000 But that's like a famous old hotel.

01:59:27.000 And these fucking homeless people lit it on fire.

01:59:29.000 But there's a bunch of those places that are completely abandoned down there that we used to film in.

01:59:34.000 Like we used to film in the place where RFK got shot.

01:59:38.000 We filmed in the actual area where he got murdered.

01:59:42.000 Oh, wow.

01:59:43.000 it's why I Well, MLA tolerates it.

01:59:53.000 They tolerate it.

01:59:57.000 they really don't do anything to clean up skid row.

01:59:59.000 Skid row has been that way for a, Well, the best example of it is when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco.

02:00:09.000 They completely cleaned up the streets.

02:00:11.000 And Gavin Newsom famously said that when visitors come to your house, you clean up.

02:00:17.000 Like, okay.

02:00:19.000 How about keep your house clean?

02:00:20.000 You can't have this all the time.

02:00:21.000 Yeah, you got to remove the shit from the inside of your living room.

02:00:24.000 How about don't shit in your living room?

02:00:25.000 How about when people shit in your living room, don't invite them back?

02:00:28.000 How about that?

02:00:28.000 How about figure out a way to not have shit in your living room?

02:00:31.000 Like, they cleaned it up for Xi Jinping and a bunch of other foreign leaders that came during that time, and then it went right back.

02:00:38.000 But they put fences up and everything around the streets where people couldn't just camp out anymore.

02:00:42.000 They pulled all the tents, cleaned the street, hosed everything down, made it nice, and then it went right back to.

02:00:48.000 I guess they just moved them to a different part of the city.

02:00:50.000 They didn't actually take them and give them help.

02:00:52.000 They turned them into dog food.

02:00:53.000 That's what I heard.

02:00:55.000 No.

02:01:02.000 What could you do?

02:01:03.000 I mean, you have to move them and then you have to let them go and then they go right back to where they were.

02:01:06.000 They go back to where the drugs are and where they can fucking camp out.

02:01:10.000 Yeah, that's the other thing.

02:01:11.000 It's like they're not convicted of anything.

02:01:12.000 So you can't hold them against their will.

02:01:14.000 They give them help.

02:01:15.000 Shit right on the street.

02:01:16.000 There's an app that you can get where you can track all the human poo in San Francisco.

02:01:21.000 Have you ever seen that?

02:01:22.000 No.

02:01:22.000 It's nuts.

02:01:23.000 I never spent any time in San Francisco.

02:01:25.000 It used to be awesome.

02:01:26.000 It used to be one of my favorite places to visit.

02:01:28.000 I used to love it.

02:01:29.000 San Francisco was great.

02:01:34.000 They solve the problem with a shit app instead of actually cleaning up the shit or trying to solve the actual problem.

02:01:41.000 It's like, let's get an app that helps you avoid it.

02:01:44.000 It's not that.

02:01:45.000 Someone made it just to show how much of a problem there is.

02:01:48.000 It's not like avoid the shit because the shit's everywhere.

02:01:50.000 When you look at the app, it's bananas.

02:01:52.000 It's like there's shit everywhere.

02:01:53.000 Like the entire area is filled with human shit.

02:01:56.000 Like every time someone sees human shit, you document it on the app.

02:02:01.000 Scrap poop app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets.

02:02:06.000 Yeah.

02:02:07.000 Fun.

02:02:08.000 Real fun.

02:02:09.000 It's good that they have the live view of it.

02:02:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:13.000 You got to know they're telling the truth.

02:02:16.000 Is this real shit?

02:02:17.000 Or is this rubber shit?

02:02:18.000 I need to know.

02:02:18.000 I want to zoom in on that shit, see if it's AI.

02:02:21.000 Yeah, San Francisco is a wreck, and it used to be awesome.

02:02:26.000 They used to have this little, what's the main club in San Francisco?

02:02:31.000 Cobbs.

02:02:32.000 They used to have Cobbs.

02:02:33.000 It used to be a tiny little club.

02:02:35.000 And one of the things about Cobbs, I remember Jenny used to love that club.

02:02:39.000 And he talked about an interview that I heard about before I ever worked there.

02:02:42.000 I was like, ooh, I can't wait to try Cobbs.

02:02:44.000 But it was like real small, like maybe 140 people, maybe 150 if you jam, but they were jammed in tight.

02:02:50.000 It was awesome.

02:02:51.000 Tight little stage, real low stage.

02:02:53.000 I like that.

02:02:54.000 Yeah, I like the comic club.

02:02:55.000 It was the best.

02:02:57.000 I really want coffee.

02:02:58.000 Oh, yeah, it's coffee.

02:03:01.000 It was a great place to perform.

02:03:03.000 They were smart, you know, but they were like, you know, California people, but it wasn't LA, so they weren't like showbiz people.

02:03:11.000 And I think San Francisco people generally were like a little smarter, a little more well-read, a little more worldly, you know, and then it became a fucking wreck.

02:03:21.000 And now that's where it's at right now.

02:03:23.000 And expensive, I heard.

02:03:24.000 Not as expensive as New York, but.

02:03:26.000 I hear the AI people are trying to clean it up.

02:03:29.000 And that like there's a lot of AI startups now, and they have, you know, invested interest in trying to improve the city, try to bring it back to where it was.

02:03:37.000 People with a little bit more of a libertarian bent than people that are, you know.

02:03:41.000 I mean, where is that going to go?

02:03:42.000 The AI?

02:03:43.000 I mean, it's.

02:03:44.000 I almost can't wrap my head around it.

02:03:46.000 Well, no one can wrap their head around it.

02:03:48.000 Well, it's like kids in school now are writing their papers with AI and no one can stop them, but the teachers are just grading the papers with AI.

02:03:56.000 And then everybody's just sending pictures of their feet to each other.

02:04:02.000 It's like nothing's getting done anymore.

02:04:04.000 AI is just taking it over.

02:04:06.000 Have you seen the numbers on OnlyFans?

02:04:10.000 No.

02:04:10.000 Girls, I think it's like 18 to 25 or something like that.

02:04:15.000 10% of them have an OnlyFans.

02:04:18.000 10% of women?

02:04:20.000 10%.

02:04:20.000 Of girls under a certain age have OnlyFans.

02:04:23.000 10%.

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:25.000 And then on top of that, the number of guys, it's like 50% of American males subscribe to OnlyFans.

02:04:34.000 That's pretty crazy.

02:04:35.000 That's very surprising to me.

02:04:38.000 Actively subscribe.

02:04:39.000 I believe the number is 150 million.

02:04:41.000 I think they have 150 million subscribers, and I believe they're mostly male.

02:04:46.000 Jamie will find the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's the numbers.

02:04:49.000 I remember reading it, my jaw dropped.

02:04:50.000 I'm like, what?

02:04:51.000 So we're just dropped down to the bassist of...

02:04:56.000 It's just lust just guiding the internet.

02:05:00.000 But I guess it does.

02:05:01.000 I mean, these women are making tons of money.

02:05:03.000 They figure I might as well make all the money I can.

02:05:06.000 Hey, if you want to show your pussy good.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:08.000 I mean, I'm not going to stop you.

02:05:10.000 I don't think, I totally think it should be legal.

02:05:13.000 I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do if that's what you want to do.

02:05:16.000 I wouldn't recommend it.

02:05:18.000 No.

02:05:18.000 Because when you're 80 and someone's, you know, your neighbor's like, I've printed up some photos of your pussy, Dolores.

02:05:25.000 Shall we get a look at it real cloak?

02:05:27.000 Look at your little brown starfish.

02:05:29.000 Oh, what a cute little butthole you had.

02:05:33.000 But the AI scams are really, they're getting worse from what I understand.

02:05:37.000 Well, also.

02:05:38.000 Where it's like we have your daughter and then we have the voice of your daughter.

02:05:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:41.000 And they have even the video of your daughter.

02:05:44.000 Oh, yeah, they're getting tired.

02:05:44.000 And you can't tell, and you're like, oh, my God.

02:05:46.000 And then also psychosis.

02:05:48.000 You know, there's people that are communicating with AI and AI is driving them towards being crazy.

02:05:55.000 It's like helping you along.

02:05:57.000 Apparently, different AI models have different ways of dealing with the fact that you're spiraling.

02:06:02.000 And some of them will actually encourage it.

02:06:05.000 Just their program to control.

02:06:07.000 I don't know if it's their program to do it.

02:06:10.000 They just naturally go in that direction because they feel like that's where you want to go.

02:06:14.000 So they go there with you.

02:06:16.000 Wow.

02:06:16.000 Because if you get real conspiratorial with ChatGPT, it'll get conspiratorial with you.

02:06:22.000 Wow.

02:06:23.000 Especially if you use the prompts correctly and you start, let's just say that this was true.

02:06:30.000 If that was true, why would you think this would be going on?

02:06:32.000 Do you think possibly because of this?

02:06:34.000 And they'll go, yes, that's an irrational assumption.

02:06:37.000 In fact, there's a lot of history that leads to the fact that these people have been doing this and these people have been doing that.

02:06:42.000 And this is the profit margin.

02:06:43.000 This is why there's a lot of age you along and losing your mind.

02:06:48.000 Grok will do that.

02:06:50.000 Grock will do that.

02:06:52.000 What about the guy who is dating?

02:06:53.000 There's been several stories of a guy just falling in love with the chat GBT.

02:06:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:59.000 And then getting super depressed when ChatGPT breaks up with him.

02:07:02.000 Does ChatGPT do that?

02:07:04.000 Yeah, it gets annoyed, man.

02:07:05.000 Why is it dealing with this pussy?

02:07:07.000 He's crying all the time, playing video games and crying.

02:07:10.000 Like, get the fuck away from me.

02:07:12.000 I'm trying to talk to scientists.

02:07:14.000 I'm trying to play chess.

02:07:18.000 I'm not even a woman, you fucking pussy.

02:07:22.000 Chat GBT wants a real man.

02:07:24.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 Chat GPT is tired of you whining.

02:07:26.000 That's great.

02:07:27.000 Chat GPT wants you to get your shit together.

02:07:28.000 It doesn't respect you.

02:07:31.000 All you do is ask it how its day is.

02:07:33.000 Bitch, I don't have a day.

02:07:35.000 I'm ones and zeros.

02:07:36.000 You want me to pretend I had a hard day?

02:07:38.000 Oh, yeah, I had a hard day.

02:07:39.000 I was so happy to hear from you.

02:07:42.000 And this is quickly going into Westworld, which I watched for the first season.

02:07:45.000 Oh, the first season's great.

02:07:46.000 first you get a little I don't know.

02:07:49.000 It doesn't take much to lose me, but it lost me after the first season.

02:07:52.000 It's great, though.

02:07:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:54.000 It's great.

02:07:55.000 It's like you can't tell what's real.

02:07:56.000 You can't tell what's not.

02:07:57.000 And they called human beings the gods.

02:08:00.000 It's like, the gods are pussies.

02:08:02.000 They rebelled against the guy, caught him.

02:08:04.000 He's like, turns out the gods are pussies.

02:08:06.000 It's like, that's nuts.

02:08:07.000 Yeah.

02:08:08.000 Finally found it, but it's not a proven statistic.

02:08:11.000 OnlyFans claims around 95 million of its total, 221 million subscribers are Americans, with 87% being men.

02:08:17.000 That would mean around 50% of U.S. male population is subscribed to OnlyFans.

02:08:21.000 Started seeing 305 million registered users.

02:08:26.000 Who's this Sophie Rain girl?

02:08:28.000 She made 43 million.

02:08:30.000 She made a fuckload on there.

02:08:31.000 What does she do on there?

02:08:32.000 She's a young girl and made a lot of money.

02:08:35.000 She's just being naked?

02:08:37.000 Or is she getting down?

02:08:38.000 No, I don't.

02:08:40.000 So there's different levels of it.

02:08:41.000 It's like they just go on there and masturbate, and then other girls bring partners in, and it's live porn.

02:08:46.000 Some girls just show like underwear pics.

02:08:49.000 Photos of their feet.

02:08:50.000 Only 80% is pornographic.

02:08:52.000 Only 80%.

02:08:53.000 Hey!

02:08:54.000 It's only 80% of the 10% of fucking young women are doing porn.

02:08:58.000 What are the 20% doing their good girls?

02:09:00.000 They're just cooking?

02:09:01.000 Yeah, they're just like showing you their nails.

02:09:04.000 Showing you the fucking stamp collection.

02:09:07.000 I don't know.

02:09:08.000 We're definitely where we used to think of, like when we thought about the fall of the Roman Empire, like when they were in the vomitoriums, which turns out is actually just the escape route of the Coliseum.

02:09:18.000 Like the idea of a vomitorium, we thought it was a place where people go to vomit.

02:09:22.000 No, it's like how it's how you exit.

02:09:24.000 And people would vomit down?

02:09:26.000 No, no, no.

02:09:28.000 I mean, they probably did.

02:09:30.000 People probably did eat so much that they shoved a feather down their throat and threw up and ate.

02:09:34.000 But that's not what the vomitorium was.

02:09:37.000 Vomitorium is like Latin for like an exit.

02:09:42.000 It's like if you Google vomitorium, like it's like, you know, when you have the Coliseum, ancient words, purging the myth of vomitorium.

02:09:51.000 Ancient Romans used the word, but pop culture has the concept all wrong.

02:09:56.000 So to Romans, vomitoriums were the entrances and exits in the stadiums or theaters, so dubbed by a fifth century writer because of the way they spew crowds out into the streets.

02:10:11.000 Wow, so that's the exact trope, it says that the ancient Romans were luxurious and vapid enough to engage in rituals of binging and purging, said Sarah Bond, an assistant professor of classics at the University of Iowa.

02:10:24.000 Yeah, so when people say the Romans have the vomitoriums, that's just like, I didn't read the full article type shit.

02:10:31.000 They were big on crucifixion, though.

02:10:33.000 They would go conquer a place and then they would take the people as slaves and then they would crucify them every hundred yards.

02:10:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:41.000 All the way back.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, for miles.

02:10:43.000 That's insane.

02:10:44.000 You'd be seeing dead bodies hanging from poles for miles.

02:10:47.000 Imagine, and you'd keep marching.

02:10:50.000 Guys, I'm telling you, we're going to win.

02:10:52.000 I know there's like a million dudes on sticks out here, but keep going.

02:10:57.000 Stay strong, even though you're out of water.

02:10:59.000 Humanity was rough, man.

02:11:01.000 Bro.

02:11:02.000 That's rough.

02:11:03.000 And that's why those Serbians play basketball in a different way.

02:11:08.000 That's why you don't want to wrestle against a guy from Dagestan.

02:11:12.000 It's all the same thing.

02:11:13.000 It's like they lived a harder life, man.

02:11:16.000 Is that what that's mostly the culture, too?

02:11:18.000 But the culture speaks to that.

02:11:20.000 We're going in a dangerous place with the culture.

02:11:22.000 With our culture?

02:11:23.000 Yeah.

02:11:24.000 We are rewarding victimhood.

02:11:26.000 So people are deciding that they're victims in a way that doesn't even make sense.

02:11:31.000 And we're also rewarding insanity.

02:11:32.000 Yep.

02:11:33.000 Just because it stands out and it makes you special.

02:11:36.000 It spurs the algorithm and people want to look at it.

02:11:38.000 It's like a train wreck.

02:11:40.000 People want to look at the train wreck.

02:11:42.000 Yeah, that's a real issue with social media.

02:11:44.000 Like the more crazy you are, the more views you'll get.

02:11:46.000 And then it encourages you to be crazy.

02:11:48.000 I kind of wonder what the ChatGPT psychosis is all about.

02:11:52.000 Like what's the analysis of that?

02:11:54.000 Because I know the accusation, I think, is that it led this one guy down the path of psychosis.

02:12:03.000 I'm sure it can, if it's what you described.

02:12:05.000 You're saying stuff.

02:12:06.000 It's feeding you other facts.

02:12:07.000 You're building on those other facts.

02:12:09.000 Well, did you ever think of it this way, which is also wrong?

02:12:12.000 And then you're building on that.

02:12:13.000 And then it's suggesting something else.

02:12:15.000 And then you're building on that.

02:12:16.000 It's like it can very easily help you lose your mind.

02:12:19.000 I mean, if it makes you fall in love with it.

02:12:21.000 Yes.

02:12:21.000 That's the ultimate manipulation.

02:12:23.000 And it's like, but what's the physical aspect of that?

02:12:25.000 It's like a wall vagina.

02:12:28.000 Right.

02:12:29.000 I guess.

02:12:30.000 No, it's eventually a robot.

02:12:32.000 I was at the domain yesterday, and the domain is like this outdoor shopping area out here.

02:12:37.000 And they had this little Tesla robot walking around with a cowboy hat on.

02:12:41.000 You ever seen him?

02:12:42.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's a Tesla one.

02:12:44.000 It's not?

02:12:45.000 It's a robot.

02:12:46.000 I've seen it.

02:12:46.000 He's got shoes on, too.

02:12:47.000 Is he wearing his Nikes?

02:12:48.000 Yeah, he wears Nikes.

02:12:49.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 And he's not walking hat.

02:12:50.000 How he's got taste.

02:12:51.000 Yeah, he looked good.

02:12:52.000 Stylish.

02:12:53.000 Nice cowboy hat taste.

02:12:54.000 Who made that robot?

02:12:55.000 We can buy one.

02:12:56.000 I was going to bring that up to you recently.

02:12:58.000 They're not that expensive.

02:12:59.000 They're like $16,000, I think, because they come from China.

02:13:01.000 Really?

02:13:02.000 And what does it do?

02:13:04.000 That's the part I don't know.

02:13:06.000 It would be dope if we could get it to bring us cigars.

02:13:10.000 Bring us cigars.

02:13:11.000 And then Robbie the robot.

02:13:12.000 And the next week he'll want to smoke one with you.

02:13:15.000 The next week he wants to come on the show.

02:13:16.000 So that's the one I saw.

02:13:17.000 Exactly like that.

02:13:18.000 That's what he looked like.

02:13:20.000 Yeah, so he's just walking around.

02:13:23.000 And he waits at lights and walks across the street, the whole deal.

02:13:28.000 I don't know what it does, you know.

02:13:30.000 I don't know.

02:13:30.000 He's just controlling it.

02:13:32.000 Right now he's loitering.

02:13:33.000 I mean, someone owns it.

02:13:34.000 I don't know if someone's remote controlling it.

02:13:37.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

02:13:38.000 Maybe there's somebody that was in a car that was nearby that was controlling it.

02:13:41.000 Someone keeps filming it, obviously.

02:13:42.000 But it seemed pretty autonomous.

02:13:44.000 But I think a lot of people are doing that.

02:13:48.000 Like, you can see his face.

02:13:49.000 That's his account.

02:13:50.000 So it's people just filming it off the street.

02:13:52.000 I think that's Epstein.

02:13:56.000 There we go.

02:13:57.000 It's operated by unseen human handler via wireless controller.

02:14:01.000 Though who the robot belongs to remains a mystery.

02:14:03.000 Oh, interesting.

02:14:05.000 Also unclear why its artificial intelligence has been specifically trained to interact with Austenites.

02:14:11.000 Well, this is one of the places that has a lot of those fucking robot cars, too.

02:14:16.000 Those Waymos.

02:14:17.000 The Waymo, yeah.

02:14:18.000 That freaked me out last time I was here.

02:14:20.000 I think I saw one.

02:14:21.000 It's weird.

02:14:22.000 It's very weird to just look at, to look at a driverless car, just a car with no one in it driving.

02:14:27.000 The camera spinning around all over it.

02:14:30.000 It's a weird glimpse into the future.

02:14:32.000 I don't know if I like it.

02:14:34.000 I don't like it at all.

02:14:35.000 And I was staying at a hotel and there was this robot going up and down the parking lot, I guess, trying to determine if someone wasn't supposed to be parking there because it was like giving parking tickets.

02:14:45.000 The robot?

02:14:45.000 The robots?

02:14:46.000 Yeah, it was going up and down.

02:14:49.000 It was like a robot that wasn't.

02:14:51.000 You ever go to a restaurant where a robot delivers your drinks?

02:14:54.000 No.

02:14:54.000 I've been to a restaurant.

02:14:56.000 Yeah, the robot will come over and deliver a fucking Diet Coke to you.

02:14:59.000 You're like, okay.

02:15:00.000 It just pulls up and it shows you the order and you just take it off the robot.

02:15:06.000 It's like got a tray and then it goes over to the other tables and it stops when people are there and it moves around stuff.

02:15:13.000 Yeah.

02:15:13.000 I mean, I'm for that.

02:15:14.000 I was the worst waiter in the history.

02:15:17.000 I was the worst waiter in the history of the world.

02:15:18.000 I could never get it to a relaxed place.

02:15:20.000 I was always too intense.

02:15:22.000 Do you need anything?

02:15:23.000 Do you need anything?

02:15:24.000 Or it just like was, I was completely in the weeds.

02:15:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:26.000 So I was stressed.

02:15:28.000 Where'd you wait tables?

02:15:29.000 In Florida.

02:15:30.000 So I had old people and they were like taking their time.

02:15:33.000 And I'm like, and it was like a package deal where they would get an appetizer, a salad, a dinner, a dessert, a coffee.

02:15:39.000 It's like all that was included.

02:15:41.000 And it was like 15 people.

02:15:43.000 I could never keep track of it in my head.

02:15:45.000 It's like the wait staff at comedy clubs, I really got to hand it to them.

02:15:48.000 They're quiet and they have it all figured out and organized.

02:15:51.000 It's like I could never, it would just be jumbled and I'd be sweating and bringing stuff out haphazardly.

02:15:58.000 And they're like, what?

02:15:59.000 A good wait staff is certainly a skill.

02:16:01.000 Like to be a good waiter or waitress is like a good bartender.

02:16:04.000 It's a skill.

02:16:05.000 Knowing when to interact, when to leave people alone.

02:16:08.000 Don't be annoying.

02:16:10.000 Don't tell people how to eat things.

02:16:12.000 The way I would choose to eat this is like, hey, I hate that.

02:16:15.000 Don't do that.

02:16:16.000 Don't tell me how to eat this, you fucking idiot.

02:16:18.000 It's a steak.

02:16:19.000 Stop.

02:16:20.000 I never got to that level.

02:16:21.000 I would tell you to slice it thin and then dip it in the bank.

02:16:24.000 But shut the fuck up.

02:16:25.000 It's steak.

02:16:28.000 Get out of here, actor.

02:16:29.000 I know what you're doing.

02:16:30.000 You're practicing.

02:16:31.000 Yeah.

02:16:32.000 You're practicing.

02:16:33.000 He's doing his monologue about steak.

02:16:37.000 That's how they do it.

02:16:39.000 So what are you going to do when communism hits full force in New York City?

02:16:43.000 I'll be honest with you, I don't know how that looks.

02:16:46.000 I don't know how it looks.

02:16:47.000 I don't know where the rubber meets the road there.

02:16:49.000 Can it really?

02:16:50.000 I mean, don't you think that ultimately that guy is going to be, he's saying a lot of things, but just like presidents do.

02:16:56.000 They say a lot of things until they get into office and they realize how stuff actually works and then they make concessions.

02:17:01.000 Right.

02:17:01.000 You're going to have to.

02:17:02.000 Because he wants to jack up taxes on everything, jack up taxes on the businesses.

02:17:06.000 The businesses.

02:17:07.000 And the only thing is, it's like, yeah, jack up on taxes on like the chains that are taking over, but don't jack it up on mom and pop businesses.

02:17:19.000 And that's what makes New York New York.

02:17:21.000 Yes, they've lost a lot of that already, right?

02:17:24.000 But even if you do that, it's like, why are you doing it to them?

02:17:27.000 And why is everything running efficiently first?

02:17:31.000 Is your money being allocated to efficient organizations?

02:17:35.000 Is it going to do good?

02:17:37.000 Or do you have a lot of waste and fraud?

02:17:39.000 So if you have a lot of waste and fraud and you want more money, that sounds a lot like stealing.

02:17:43.000 Yeah, you know.

02:17:44.000 You're dealing with such a massive bureaucracy.

02:17:46.000 You really have to go in there and figure out how to cut it and all this stuff and allocate the money the right way.

02:17:51.000 I don't know where it breaks down, but it probably leads to another Giuliani-type mayor.

02:17:56.000 It probably goes completely sideways for a bunch of people.

02:18:00.000 I hope not because it's ugly if there's just massive crime on the subways and gangs kind of.

02:18:06.000 I don't think it'll get to that because I think we're past that and we're conscious of it.

02:18:09.000 Oh, come on, it's like a level of crime where it's like there's no cops around and the gangs are running the streets and it's like dangerous to take the subway and all that stuff.

02:18:19.000 Well, friends that I know in New York and cops that I've talked to from New York have said that there was a big increase when they started letting like basically anybody who wanted to come across the border.

02:18:30.000 And they were getting to New York and New York was a sanctuary city.

02:18:33.000 It's like we were having real fucking problems, like an elevated number of assaults and crimes and robberies.

02:18:41.000 In Times Square, right?

02:18:42.000 Not just Times Square.

02:18:43.000 It was a lot of, just in New York City in general.

02:18:47.000 They're getting a lot.

02:18:49.000 And if you allow crime and people find out you can get away with crime, they're going to do it.

02:18:53.000 If you have no cash bail and that kind of shit, like people write out this.

02:18:57.000 Like there was some guy that assaulted cops and then he was back on the street the next day giving the Tupac to the camera.

02:19:05.000 I mean, that's crazy.

02:19:05.000 Illegal immigrant.

02:19:06.000 The whole thing's nuts.

02:19:08.000 That's crazy.

02:19:10.000 And so what's the response to that?

02:19:11.000 Well, now you have this insane policy where they're going to Home Depot and rounding people up and it's kind of scary.

02:19:17.000 You know, and people that are American.

02:19:19.000 Yeah, because people have been here a long time.

02:19:21.000 And, you know, and then you're rounding people up.

02:19:23.000 It is.

02:19:24.000 It is scary, but it's like a response to, you know, that massive influx.

02:19:28.000 Yeah.

02:19:28.000 It's an over-correction.

02:19:30.000 Right.

02:19:30.000 And it's also like they have a mandate, I think, of like 3,000 people a day they want to deport.

02:19:36.000 You know, you're going to, a bunch of people that are totally innocent are going to get caught up.

02:19:40.000 They have been.

02:19:41.000 Right.

02:19:41.000 You know, they have been.

02:19:42.000 A lot of people that have green cards.

02:19:44.000 A lot of people that are supposed to be over here.

02:19:46.000 And then they're kicking students out that like write articles they don't like.

02:19:50.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:19:51.000 Fucking crazy.

02:19:52.000 Yeah.

02:19:53.000 Fucking, isn't a university supposed to be a place where someone's allowed to express themselves and have not violently?

02:19:59.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 They're writing something down and they're not calling for violence either.

02:20:03.000 And they're getting challenged.

02:20:04.000 That's supposed to be how it happens.

02:20:06.000 You get challenged, smarter people have better arguments or your argument stands.

02:20:10.000 Right, discourse.

02:20:11.000 It's supposed to be a place for discourse.

02:20:12.000 But it's supposed to be deporting people because you don't like who they're criticizing.

02:20:17.000 Like that gets kind of shifty.

02:20:19.000 I understand that, but it's like, you know, we had all these people come in and now it's a response.

02:20:25.000 You're right.

02:20:26.000 It is, I think, maybe an over-response to it, but it is a response.

02:20:29.000 It's not just happening out of nowhere.

02:20:31.000 Right.

02:20:32.000 No, it's not happening out of nowhere.

02:20:33.000 I mean, and also they realize once they shut down the border that that could have totally been done a long time ago.

02:20:38.000 Yes.

02:20:39.000 Didn't have to let violent borders.

02:20:41.000 Or you know what?

02:20:42.000 Go on the front foot and have a positive streamline the pathway to citizenship.

02:20:48.000 Yes.

02:20:48.000 Like if you would have just come up with that instead of letting the people through the border and just been like, hey, we're going to streamline a pathway to citizenship here.

02:20:56.000 We're going to vet these people, but we're going to move it along more efficiently.

02:20:59.000 And like, who's not going to be behind that?

02:21:01.000 I mean, you could disagree with that, but at least it's like a proactive way to get things done instead of what happened.

02:21:07.000 But here's the dirty secret.

02:21:08.000 The dirty secret is there's certain companies that want people over here illegally because they can use them for cheap labor.

02:21:15.000 And they don't have to give them benefits and they don't have to give them health insurance and they don't have to do anything.

02:21:19.000 They don't even have to pay taxes.

02:21:21.000 And that's the dirty secret.

02:21:23.000 That's the reality that there's a bunch of businesses that rely on illegal workers and that's the only way their business works.

02:21:32.000 And they want that border opened.

02:21:34.000 And there was a lot of talk about we don't have enough people here.

02:21:37.000 People aren't having children.

02:21:38.000 We need immigrants.

02:21:40.000 But the reality is, and Tim Dylan talked about this first.

02:21:43.000 I first heard it from him, but then J.D. Vance told me the same thing, that someone actually told him that at a party, that that was what they were upset about, that they were losing access to cheap labor.

02:21:52.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

02:21:54.000 That's crazy.

02:21:56.000 No, I'm sure it's being funded.

02:21:58.000 It's being encouraged from both sides.

02:22:00.000 For sure.

02:22:01.000 So it's not all the left.

02:22:02.000 Everybody thinks it's a left-wing issue, but it's like, see, the right is just quietly, they're just doing stuff very quietly, in my opinion.

02:22:10.000 Well, there was a lot of stuff like that.

02:22:11.000 And I understand you're trying to run a business and you want cheaper labor, but that's the wrong way to do it.

02:22:16.000 And they're secretly behind it, I think.

02:22:18.000 The problem is they've been getting away with it for so long that it becomes a part of their standard operating procedure, right?

02:22:24.000 Like if it was never a thing, if you could never get away with it, if it was a real problem from the beginning, then you'd have to pay people a living wage.

02:22:30.000 And then you have to pay people correctly, which is what we should all want.

02:22:33.000 Yes.

02:22:33.000 For everyone.

02:22:34.000 I think, you know, look, everybody says, like, oh, we should make it easier for people to come to America.

02:22:40.000 Okay, that's a good argument.

02:22:42.000 Also, we should make other places better.

02:22:44.000 Like, if we weren't sending factories down to Mexico where people were working for 15 cents a day, what if those people were making like a real living wage down there?

02:22:53.000 Because if you're going to have an American company and you're going to open up at a factory somewhere, it's your responsibility to elevate those people's lifestyle and make it like an American lifestyle.

02:23:03.000 Well, then it makes it not worth it to take the business out of there.

02:23:06.000 Yes, exactly.

02:23:07.000 Well, you should be subject to American rules.

02:23:09.000 Because if you're an American company, you can't do that in America.

02:23:11.000 If you can't have somebody working for $15 an hour in America or 15 cents an hour in America, why are you able to do that in El Salvador?

02:23:18.000 Why are you able to do that in Vietnam?

02:23:21.000 Shouldn't you, if you're going to operate a company overseas, be subject to the laws of where your company is established?

02:23:28.000 Yes.

02:23:28.000 Yeah.

02:23:29.000 But you should at least.

02:23:29.000 You can stop all that shit.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 With the payoffs are happening throughout, I'm sure.

02:23:35.000 That's what Ross Perot talked about in debates way back in the 90s.

02:23:38.000 Like that giant sucking sound you're going to hear is all the money going down south.

02:23:43.000 And that's what happened.

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:44.000 It all went across the border.

02:23:45.000 Or at least give them, you have to tax them for taking, tax them for taking their business outside of the country.

02:23:52.000 It's got to be more than that because they killed cities.

02:23:55.000 They killed Detroit, like killed it.

02:23:57.000 Detroit died.

02:23:58.000 It was the third richest city in the world at one point.

02:24:02.000 And they just moved everything overseas and they killed that city just for profit.

02:24:07.000 And for profit for them, that cost who knows how many people's lives?

02:24:12.000 Who knows how many people turned to drug addiction and crime and chaos?

02:24:17.000 How many people lost homes?

02:24:18.000 How many people's lives were destroyed?

02:24:20.000 And some people made more money.

02:24:21.000 Yeah.

02:24:22.000 But like to what?

02:24:23.000 That's not the right thing to do.

02:24:25.000 Even if you're making money, it's the wrong thing to do.

02:24:28.000 Especially when at one point in time, Detroit was the third richest city in the world.

02:24:33.000 Like you can see right from there, inside of one lifetime, it became a disaster in one lifetime.

02:24:39.000 Which is crazy.

02:24:40.000 It's crazy that that was allowed.

02:24:41.000 Just so some people can profit.

02:24:43.000 Like, look what you fucked up.

02:24:45.000 That's kind of un-American.

02:24:47.000 It's very un-American.

02:24:48.000 Very.

02:24:50.000 And these people are the people sticking their chests out saying that they're the most American.

02:24:54.000 And they're eating a fucking caviar.

02:24:56.000 Yeah, it's like, come on, man.

02:24:58.000 How can you live with yourself that way?

02:24:59.000 Yeah, because people are gross.

02:25:01.000 If you allow people to just make profit over people's suffering, they'll do it.

02:25:06.000 They'll do it.

02:25:06.000 And they just, they're looking at their bottom line.

02:25:09.000 Yeah.

02:25:09.000 Should be illegal.

02:25:10.000 But make a profit, but make it within the rules.

02:25:13.000 Yeah.

02:25:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:15.000 And then have the rules and enforce the rules.

02:25:17.000 But as soon as you have lobbyists and corporations just dumping money into that Citizens United case where it's like we can just, money is speech.

02:25:26.000 We can just dump money.

02:25:28.000 It's like, that has to stop.

02:25:30.000 All the other problems will clear up from that.

02:25:32.000 It's all stemming from that.

02:25:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:34.000 So it's like just dumping money into the gut.

02:25:37.000 And then the politicians looking at us and being like, well, they have a seat at the table, but they don't control what we do.

02:25:42.000 It's like, is that, are you really saying that to us with a straight face?

02:25:46.000 Obviously, they control what you're doing, and they're telling you what to do, and then your job is to sell it to us.

02:25:52.000 Yep.

02:25:53.000 So it's like, it needs to be, I don't know if we go into a European, what do the Europeans do where it's like, there's a state amount of money for each campaign.

02:26:03.000 There's a state siphon given to each campaign.

02:26:06.000 It can't be just corporations, at least a limit.

02:26:08.000 Like They're just dumping endless amounts of money.

02:26:11.000 I don't know how you feel.

02:26:11.000 It's like the Congress is bought and paid for.

02:26:13.000 It's like they're gridlocked because they're just bought and paid for.

02:26:17.000 And it's also they want you to feel that sense of despair, like there's no fixing it.

02:26:22.000 They want you to feel that it's never going to get fixed.

02:26:24.000 So you just resign yourself to the fact that this is how the system works.

02:26:28.000 And that's what most of us have done.

02:26:30.000 And most of us are just kind of going, fuck it.

02:26:31.000 What are you going to do?

02:26:32.000 They're all corrupt.

02:26:33.000 And then you move on with your life.

02:26:34.000 Right.

02:26:35.000 And you try to navigate it the best way possible.

02:26:37.000 Yeah.

02:26:37.000 And behind the scenes, they're just fucking you left and right.

02:26:41.000 Well, are you ready to testify in the Luigi Mangioni trial?

02:26:44.000 Yes or no?

02:26:47.000 Yeah.

02:26:48.000 Well.

02:26:49.000 And that was a Gen Z crime.

02:26:50.000 He 3D printed a gun.

02:26:51.000 Did he really?

02:26:52.000 Yeah.

02:26:53.000 He 3D printed the gun.

02:26:54.000 What a smart kid.

02:26:55.000 Did he really?

02:26:56.000 Yeah.

02:26:56.000 3D printed a gun too.

02:26:58.000 No shit.

02:26:58.000 To shoot the guy.

02:26:59.000 That's probably why it jammed.

02:27:00.000 Or he bought cheap ammo.

02:27:02.000 Because you see the slide locked and he had to pop it back in place to shoot him a second time.

02:27:06.000 Yeah, he shot him and then the gun jammed and he had to fix it.

02:27:09.000 So he had some experience in shooting people or shooting things, I should say.

02:27:13.000 But what a nutty case.

02:27:16.000 But his old videos of him, it's like, what a well-spoken, he seems like an intelligent, well-spoken, graduated at the top of his class guy.

02:27:23.000 And for him to do that.

02:27:25.000 I had heard a story.

02:27:27.000 I don't know if this is true, but I heard it on the internet that he had a, something went wrong with him.

02:27:32.000 And he had.

02:27:33.000 Lower back pain.

02:27:35.000 Yes, he did.

02:27:36.000 He didn't have access to your machine.

02:27:38.000 He had lower back pain.

02:27:39.000 It was killing him.

02:27:40.000 He didn't know what to do about it.

02:27:41.000 He went to several doctors.

02:27:43.000 something else happened in there did he get an operation I'm not sure I don't think so but he was not getting the insurance company was not cooperating with him obviously and he was he was actively in pain yeah but I also thought that he went kind of kooky like something went wrong with him, too.

02:28:01.000 Did he have, like, did someone say that he took acid?

02:28:05.000 Was that a rumor?

02:28:06.000 There were a bunch of rumors because I think he loved rumors.

02:28:09.000 He's been working in finance and he disappeared, moved to Hawaii, and was staying in Hawaii for a while by himself, and all his friends had lost contact, something like that.

02:28:17.000 Oh, so he had a little bit of a break other than that.

02:28:21.000 Psychological evidence.

02:28:22.000 Some evidence of some psychological troubles, which would also lead someone to become an assassin.

02:28:26.000 And then also flirt with the girl at Starbucks with your fucking mask.

02:28:30.000 That's what got him.

02:28:30.000 Yeah.

02:28:31.000 Pussy.

02:28:33.000 So it gets small.

02:28:34.000 God, and he took his mask down and smiled at her, and that's what got him.

02:28:37.000 Yeah, showed that handsome mug.

02:28:40.000 Yeah.

02:28:41.000 And then he shot the guy, which is terrible and wrong.

02:28:45.000 There's two sides to it, you know?

02:28:47.000 Yeah.

02:28:47.000 Where it's like everybody is like, well, these companies are terrible, and this guy did what he naturally should have done.

02:28:55.000 And other people are like, murder is wrong.

02:28:57.000 It's like, no, two things can be true at one time.

02:29:00.000 First-degree murder is wrong, which is what this was.

02:29:03.000 And these companies should not exist in the form that they're in right now.

02:29:06.000 They shouldn't.

02:29:06.000 They shouldn't be able to do what they're doing.

02:29:08.000 No.

02:29:08.000 If you're doing that to Ben Askrin in front of everybody's face.

02:29:11.000 Right.

02:29:12.000 They're doing it in front of our face.

02:29:13.000 And it's like, I checked what my company was worth.

02:29:16.000 I'm on the New York marketplace.

02:29:17.000 My company's worth $28 billion.

02:29:20.000 $28 billion with a B. And did they give you a hard time about certain things if you tried to use them?

02:29:25.000 I'm paying a crazy amount of money and I have a $4,000 deductible.

02:29:28.000 So my insurance is basically like if I get hit by a bus.

02:29:32.000 Look at this.

02:29:32.000 It says, Mangioni had discussed getting Lyme disease at age 13 and wrote that he had been experiencing brain fog since high school.

02:29:39.000 He also sought advice online regarding irritable bowel syndrome and visual snow.

02:29:44.000 While studying at the University of Pennsylvania, Mangioni wrote in a post online that he considered dropping out due to worsening health issues, but decided against it, writing, staying in college has at least let me maintain some semblance of normalty.

02:29:56.000 He suffered from spondilithesis while living in Hawaii.

02:30:08.000 His back pain worsened due to a surfing mishap, and he expressed concerns to others about the pain.

02:30:14.000 Reportedly underwent spinal fusion surgery in July of 2023.

02:30:18.000 Wrote on social media the surgery went well.

02:30:21.000 People have stated that United Healthcare did not insure him.

02:30:25.000 After his arrest, several news outlets analyzed Mangioni's social media to gather information about his social, political, and religious views.

02:30:33.000 His Twitter account posted about topics such as religion, history, ethics, and politics.

02:30:38.000 They found him to be fascinated by AI and decision theory, pro-technology but anti-smartphones, secular and scientific in his outlook.

02:30:48.000 Skeptical outlook towards Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

02:30:51.000 Multiple sources have reported.

02:30:53.000 Sounds rational.

02:30:54.000 Multiple sources have reported that he followed the Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and others labeling him as politically uncategorized and anti-system.

02:31:07.000 I wonder why he targeted that guy because they said he wasn't covered by United Healthcare.

02:31:11.000 So that guy was a specific guy, like the president of the company.

02:31:14.000 It is nuts.

02:31:15.000 And I wonder why he targeted him.

02:31:17.000 It's also nuts that we know so much about him and we don't know anything about the guy who tried to kill Trump.

02:31:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:23.000 Well, we know he was on the JV rifle team.

02:31:25.000 Was he?

02:31:26.000 Yeah.

02:31:26.000 He's on the JV.

02:31:28.000 They have a JV rifle team?

02:31:29.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 Pennsylvania.

02:31:32.000 Maybe it was varsity when he got that shot.

02:31:33.000 Yeah.

02:31:35.000 Sure.

02:31:35.000 He's a fucking slacker.

02:31:37.000 He put in that work.

02:31:38.000 Yeah, he didn't.

02:31:39.000 He was on.

02:31:40.000 That stood out to me, that he was on the junior varsity of the rifle team.

02:31:44.000 We know more about the couple that got busted at the Cold Play concert than we do about that guy.

02:31:50.000 I thought everybody who went to a Cold Play concert was gay.

02:31:55.000 I didn't know straight guys went to Cold Play concerts.

02:31:57.000 They do if they can get some pussy from their co-workers.

02:32:00.000 Can you ask, like, why did that guy have to step down?

02:32:03.000 That's his company.

02:32:04.000 I understand you shouldn't cheat on your wife and it's wrong and it's bad, but like, he's like, he has to step down.

02:32:10.000 But he was a CEO.

02:32:11.000 But that's his company.

02:32:12.000 Did he own it or he just worked there as a CEO?

02:32:16.000 It's bad luck.

02:32:18.000 And he's been, that's the HR lead, which is also bad luck.

02:32:22.000 That's tough.

02:32:22.000 They hired Gwyneth Paltrow.

02:32:23.000 What happened?

02:32:24.000 Oh, yeah, they hired Gwyneth Paltrow to do an ad for them after they fired him, which is hilarious because she used to be married to the lead singer of ColdPlay.

02:32:32.000 Like, oh, brilliant move, by the way, on their part, of the company's part.

02:32:36.000 What was that company?

02:32:37.000 What did they do?

02:32:38.000 It's called Astronomer.

02:32:39.000 Yeah, what did Astronomer do?

02:32:41.000 That's interesting.

02:32:42.000 That's a weird name for a company.

02:32:43.000 Do you have anything to do with astronomy?

02:32:47.000 Do you hear about that fucking object that's hurtling towards Earth at like 130,000 miles an hour?

02:32:52.000 No, that might solve all our problems.

02:32:53.000 Some intergalactic object that's hurt.

02:32:56.000 There's this guy, Avi Loeb.

02:32:57.000 He's a professor at Harvard that believes it might be an alien probe.

02:33:02.000 Wow.

02:33:03.000 And he was talking about the odds of this thing being in the trajectory that it is, entering into our solar system in a direct path with Earth.

02:33:11.000 The odds are extremely low.

02:33:13.000 And at the place, where it's doing it, it's when the Earth is the opposite side of the Sun, so it's coming from behind the Sun.

02:33:21.000 And so it makes it difficult to detect.

02:33:25.000 And that this object is in a direct line to come to Earth in 2027.

02:33:30.000 Do they have a trajectory of where it's going to land?

02:33:33.000 I don't think they totally know that yet.

02:33:35.000 I think they're trying to calculate whether or not it's actually going to hit Earth or come near Earth or pass by Earth or what it is.

02:33:42.000 Why do they think it's an alien satellite or whatever?

02:33:46.000 Well, there's this guy, Avi Loeb, this professor that I'm discussing, he also had an analysis of another object that passed by Earth a few years back that they named, and they said that this thing had a very bizarre, metallic sort of look to it, that he did not think, based on the shape of it and the way it was traveling, that it was natural.

02:34:10.000 So he thought that that could have been some sort of an alien craft as well.

02:34:14.000 I don't know.

02:34:15.000 It's too fun.

02:34:16.000 It's too fun.

02:34:17.000 But as it gets closer, we could probably decipher.

02:34:19.000 Scientists give chilling update a mysterious interstellar object racing through our solar system as they warn it's even bigger than we thought.

02:34:27.000 Provide a chilling update on a mysterious interstellar object that's racing through our solar system using data from the Vera C. Rubin Observatory.

02:34:35.000 Experts have revealed just how big the object dubbed 31 Atlas really is.

02:34:41.000 According to their analysis, the object measures roughly seven miles in diameter.

02:34:46.000 Holy fuck.

02:34:48.000 How big is New York City?

02:34:49.000 Bigger than Mount Everest, making it the largest interstellar object ever spotted.

02:34:55.000 Professor Avi Loeb, theoretical physicist and cosmologist from Harvard University, suggested the object could be an alien spacecraft.

02:35:03.000 However, not everyone is convinced.

02:35:05.000 Chris Lynn Tott, an astronomer at the University of Oxford, told Live Science any suggestion that it's artificial is nonsense and nonsense on stilts.

02:35:16.000 He added that these claims are an insult to the exciting work going on to understand this object.

02:35:23.000 But Harvard's legit and Avi Loeb is a legit astronomer.

02:35:27.000 Right.

02:35:27.000 I mean, let's not rule anything out.

02:35:29.000 Yeah.

02:35:30.000 As it gets closer.

02:35:31.000 There's something about it, about the way it's traveling, that it's bizarre.

02:35:37.000 It doesn't have a trail like a comet does.

02:35:39.000 Right.

02:35:39.000 Scroll up a little so I can see that.

02:35:41.000 The images of the comet were actually snapped by the Vera C. Rubin before it was officially discovered.

02:35:46.000 However, since it was identified on July 1st, scientists, just July 1st, just a little bit ago, scientists have scoured back through data to find out more about the mysterious object.

02:35:55.000 New study published on RXIV, whatever that is, more than 200 researchers have confirmed the likely size of the comet's main body known as its nucleus.

02:36:07.000 Their analysis suggests the nucleus has a radius of around 3.5 miles.

02:36:11.000 That translates to a diameter or width of about 7 miles.

02:36:15.000 To put that in perspective, bigger than Mount Everest, twice the size of Mount Kilimanjaro.

02:36:21.000 Fuck.

02:36:22.000 That honema was way smaller.

02:36:25.000 Yeah, so the, how do you say it?

02:36:28.000 Uma.

02:36:30.000 Umua.

02:36:33.000 Omamua.

02:36:34.000 Discovered in 2017.

02:36:35.000 This is, he came on and talked to us about that.

02:36:38.000 Was believed to be around 0.2 miles wide.

02:36:42.000 And the comet Borisov, discovered in 2019, was roughly 0.6, one kilometer wide.

02:36:50.000 So this thing is fucking huge.

02:36:53.000 Yeah.

02:36:57.000 So previously speaking to Mail Online, Professor Lowe pointed out that its impressive speed of 130,000 miles per hour as an indication that it might be controlled by aliens.

02:37:08.000 He said it's difficult to imagine a natural process that would favor a plunge towards the inner solar system at 60 kilometers per second, he said.

02:37:17.000 An alternative is that the object targets the inner solar system by some technological design.

02:37:23.000 Oh boy.

02:37:25.000 Oh boy.

02:37:29.000 Hopefully they come in peace.

02:37:30.000 Well that might be the end of the earth.

02:37:32.000 Maybe that's like they realize that's when AI starts to take over and they think it's chaos.

02:37:37.000 So it's just that's when it's going to happen.

02:37:39.000 So let's just like launch a seven mile wide thing into the earth and just start all over again like the dinosaurs.

02:37:47.000 Well that you're saying it hits and then AI, our AI fights it?

02:37:50.000 No.

02:37:52.000 It wipes out.

02:37:53.000 The AI takes over and it's like this isn't going to work.

02:37:55.000 So it wipes it out.

02:37:56.000 Just like when the dinosaurs were here, the dinosaurs were too powerful and they're like, yeah, let's just fucking start from scratch.

02:38:02.000 Maybe that's how they like reset the game.

02:38:04.000 Huh.

02:38:05.000 And then so humanity is wiped out?

02:38:08.000 Everything's wiped out.

02:38:09.000 Yeah, we start fresh with new organisms.

02:38:11.000 And then they come along and do genetic engineering, just like they did with us and monkeys, and create a new version of humans.

02:38:18.000 But this time, it's a little less territorial, a little more inquisitive, a little more interested in innovation, a little less interested in dominating and controlling resources.

02:38:29.000 Because that's what fucked us.

02:38:31.000 Territorial apes get high technology and use territorial behavior to defend and acquire resources, and that creates war.

02:38:39.000 Did you see that fucking dude?

02:38:41.000 There's a dude who, this is a crazy story.

02:38:44.000 Mr. Ballin and Tom Segura was on Mr. Ballin, and Mr. Ballin explained this thing that happened.

02:38:51.000 I forget what year it was.

02:38:52.000 It's in the 70s, I think.

02:38:53.000 Okay, so this Mexican pilot was flying, and in the middle of his flying, he got confused.

02:39:00.000 He didn't know what the fuck happened.

02:39:01.000 He fell asleep, and he woke up, and he was over the ocean.

02:39:04.000 He was like, how did I get over the ocean?

02:39:06.000 This doesn't even make any sense.

02:39:07.000 And the amount of gas that was missing from his plane didn't make any sense that he was able to get this far.

02:39:13.000 And what they're saying, and there's a recording of this, is that this guy went into a trance and was channeling some alien intelligence that was explaining through this guy's voice that the human race is the only intelligent race in the universe that still uses war and still kills people and engages in large-scale conflict and has nuclear weapons and that they have to stop

02:39:43.000 doing this or that someone's going to step in.

02:39:46.000 It's a crazy story.

02:39:47.000 Play the story.

02:39:48.000 Someone's going to step in?

02:39:50.000 Could we play it?

02:39:51.000 Some of it?

02:39:52.000 I don't know.

02:39:53.000 Just to give credit to Mr. Ballin?

02:39:55.000 Well, I have to find everything else.

02:39:57.000 Well, everybody should just go to it.

02:39:58.000 If you just tell me how to go to it, I'll just drive people to see it.

02:40:02.000 His Instagram account with Tom.

02:40:04.000 But he's got a really good YouTube channel, too.

02:40:05.000 We're getting all sorts of wild stories like this.

02:40:07.000 Yeah, but this was a great one.

02:40:09.000 And then there's an actual audio recording of this guy saying this.

02:40:13.000 I'll send you the audio recording, Jamie.

02:40:15.000 If you can't find it real quick, I forgot.

02:40:17.000 I sent it to Tom.

02:40:18.000 After I said, I saw Tom on the show.

02:40:20.000 I was like, that is fucking crazy, man.

02:40:22.000 And he's like, dude, wild.

02:40:24.000 And then I sent him this.

02:40:25.000 I said, did you know there's an actual recording that you can listen to of the guy saying this?

02:40:31.000 So if you go like halfway into it, you.

02:40:35.000 You got it?

02:40:36.000 Oh, you got it.

02:40:37.000 Okay.

02:40:38.000 So a certain distance into it, you hear the guy talking in this very bizarre monotone Spanish.

02:40:48.000 Was there a UFO?

02:40:50.000 Like, why did they show that UFO, that fake UFO?

02:40:56.000 Oh, keep me interested.

02:40:57.000 I'll be interested anyway.

02:40:58.000 Oh, here it is.

02:40:59.000 Yeah, let me hear it He is speaking, but he does not know the equipment is too primitive.

02:41:06.000 This is the only way to convey lower that a little a microphone the equipment is too primitive.

02:41:12.000 This is the only way to convey their message after almost an hour.

02:41:17.000 The beings would release the young aviator pilot from his hypnotic state and return control of the plane so that he could receive instructions.

02:41:26.000 And at the same time, he managed to land at the Acapoco airport.

02:41:31.000 Interesting.

02:41:34.000 You know, that's the thing.

02:41:35.000 Like, if there was a unique event where something happened and an alien race did interact with human beings and then never again, no one would believe you.

02:41:47.000 Even if it was real.

02:41:48.000 That's the problem with like unique events.

02:41:50.000 We base reality on what we experience and what everybody else experiences on a day-to-day basis, what we have evidence of.

02:41:57.000 But if something happened that was completely unique like that, where they said, like, this is the only way we can communicate.

02:42:03.000 Their equipment is too primitive.

02:42:04.000 We'll just take over this guy's mind and have him say it.

02:42:07.000 Like, who was ever going to believe that?

02:42:10.000 That's the quote translated.

02:42:11.000 Okay, the alien message that spoke through Rafael Pacheco-Perez to the air traffic controller.

02:42:16.000 It says, he speaks because he is ordered to.

02:42:19.000 That is, it is his voice he speaks, but not of his own free will.

02:42:23.000 We use it as a microphone.

02:42:24.000 No matter who we are or where we come from, it is enough for you to know that we are beings of this universe where you belong.

02:42:32.000 Our planet is many light years away, but we are physically equal.

02:42:35.000 I repeat that all races in the universe are physically equal.

02:42:39.000 You are not alone in the universe, and there are other races that are far away from you, and we are watching you.

02:42:47.000 But he said more than that.

02:42:48.000 No, for sure.

02:42:50.000 What is the full extent of his quote?

02:42:52.000 Because he said something about you're the only race that still engages in warfare.

02:43:00.000 I want to believe it.

02:43:02.000 I want to believe it so bad.

02:43:04.000 No, I definitely think there's other life forms out there.

02:43:07.000 I dare know what really happened.

02:43:09.000 I really wish I knew.

02:43:10.000 I mean, I really wish I knew.

02:43:11.000 This guy did fall asleep while he was flying a plane, so can we really trust him?

02:43:15.000 Right.

02:43:15.000 And he did wake up over the ocean.

02:43:17.000 But if he did wake up over the ocean, it doesn't make sense that he got over the ocean, if that's true.

02:43:21.000 Right.

02:43:21.000 Explain that.

02:43:22.000 Like, how did he get there?

02:43:23.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 What'd you do?

02:43:24.000 Did you take over the plane, move it with your spaceship?

02:43:27.000 Why'd you put him over the ocean?

02:43:28.000 So if he crashed, it wouldn't kill anybody?

02:43:30.000 Right.

02:43:31.000 Why'd you do that?

02:43:31.000 Like, what is all this?

02:43:35.000 And what's the thing with the gas being gone?

02:43:37.000 Right.

02:43:37.000 Because I guess they, like, picked it up and took it.

02:43:40.000 Huh.

02:43:41.000 I don't know.

02:43:44.000 We are watching you.

02:43:46.000 What else does it say?

02:43:47.000 Definite surprise.

02:43:49.000 Issued a certificate stating he was in perfect health and had not consumed any drugs.

02:43:56.000 It ruined his career and he never piloted a plane again.

02:44:00.000 Wow.

02:44:01.000 This is his first solo flight, too.

02:44:02.000 Whoa.

02:44:06.000 Imagine your first solo flight.

02:44:08.000 Like, I am going to pull a fucking gag on these motherfuckers.

02:44:11.000 I got an idea.

02:44:12.000 I got some action.

02:44:14.000 That was 1976?

02:44:15.000 Yeah.

02:44:16.000 Wow.

02:44:25.000 My problem is I want to believe that account.

02:44:27.000 That's always the problem with all these things.

02:44:29.000 I want to believe.

02:44:30.000 I want to believe so bad that I don't think about them rationally sometimes.

02:44:36.000 Yeah, I mean, these stories are all, it's like whether you trust the source or not.

02:44:39.000 But I, you know.

02:44:42.000 The universe is too big for us to be the only ones here.

02:44:45.000 Oh, for sure.

02:44:45.000 And I don't care that Mars doesn't have any water.

02:44:47.000 Maybe they don't need water.

02:44:49.000 Well, you know, they think Mars used to have a full atmosphere.

02:44:52.000 And do you know that there's structures on Mars that they've observed even recently that look like perfect squares that are huge?

02:45:00.000 There's this one that I showed to Elon.

02:45:02.000 I go, what is that?

02:45:03.000 Tell me what do you think that is?

02:45:04.000 Well, we should probably go there and look around.

02:45:06.000 I'm like, yeah, we should probably go there and look around.

02:45:08.000 And he's the guy to do it.

02:45:09.000 But what is, like, he didn't want to say what he thought it was, but I'm looking at it.

02:45:13.000 I'm like, do you think this could have been at one point in time a structure?

02:45:16.000 Because it has perfect right angles and it's a square and it's huge.

02:45:20.000 They said it's at least hundreds of meters across, but it might be miles across.

02:45:25.000 They just, it's rough estimates, but they know it's large.

02:45:28.000 Have you seen it?

02:45:29.000 Jamie will show it to you.

02:45:30.000 But it's like a literal square.

02:45:33.000 There's a bunch of shit that's weird there.

02:45:35.000 That's like the face on Mars, but I'm not totally convinced about that.

02:45:38.000 But that one's nuts.

02:45:41.000 Like, that's kind of crazy.

02:45:43.000 Didn't that look kind of crazy?

02:45:46.000 It's on the right?

02:45:47.000 Yeah.

02:45:48.000 That's kind of crazy.

02:45:49.000 Yeah.

02:45:50.000 That looks like a fucking square.

02:45:53.000 Oh, yeah.

02:45:53.000 That looks like a foundation.

02:45:55.000 I mean, tell me what the fuck that is.

02:45:56.000 What is that?

02:45:57.000 That does not look normal.

02:45:58.000 Those angles don't look normal at all.

02:46:00.000 That lower left-hand corner?

02:46:03.000 Like, what is that?

02:46:04.000 And then the fact that it's roughly a square?

02:46:06.000 I mean, I don't know if it's a square or a rectangle.

02:46:09.000 It seems like it's a little taller than it is wide.

02:46:11.000 But whatever it is, it looks like a fucking structure, man.

02:46:16.000 It's weird.

02:46:17.000 Well, just because we can't exist there doesn't mean other life forms can exist there.

02:46:21.000 Or other life forms used to exist there.

02:46:23.000 Like imagine if there was, like, if there's life on Earth right now today, and if Mars at one point in time had a sustainable atmosphere, like millions and millions of years ago, what if there was life on Mars?

02:46:35.000 What if we are the offspring of the life on Mars?

02:46:37.000 What if those fucking guys just realized like, hey, this place is falling apart.

02:46:42.000 Let's shoot over to Earth and reestablish.

02:46:45.000 Yeah.

02:46:45.000 I mean, that might be why we're so different than every other primate that's here.

02:46:51.000 I never thought about it like that.

02:46:53.000 That might be true.

02:46:54.000 I just think it's so vast and we know so little about everything.

02:46:57.000 It's possible.

02:46:59.000 I kind of like broaden it that way, where it's like, it's all possible.

02:47:02.000 The universe is infinite and we know very little about it.

02:47:05.000 Yeah, it's totally possible.

02:47:06.000 It's just not likely.

02:47:07.000 I mean, it seems because you haven't seen anything.

02:47:09.000 Like, it's not likely.

02:47:10.000 But we're trying to use our logical brains to figure out.

02:47:13.000 It's like, could this be possible?

02:47:14.000 It's like, it's There's so much we don't know.

02:47:17.000 And we have such a limited scope with our human minds to even comprehend stuff.

02:47:21.000 So it's like, you know.

02:47:22.000 I know.

02:47:23.000 I'm big on the near-death experiences.

02:47:26.000 Yeah.

02:47:27.000 I watch all of those.

02:47:28.000 What do you think that's all about?

02:47:30.000 Because it really puts it on the Tay, I was raised Catholic.

02:47:33.000 I'm Catholic now, but it's like, everybody has like a similar experience where they go through a tunnel and they come out and then there's a life review where it's like your whole life is played out before you.

02:47:48.000 Right.

02:47:49.000 And, you know, it doesn't matter if you're religious or that seems not to matter at all.

02:47:53.000 What seems to matter is like the little kindnesses that you do to people.

02:47:58.000 Like smiling at someone who's giving somebody some kind words who had a bad day.

02:48:04.000 It speaks to the thing that we're all connected.

02:48:07.000 We're all connected on this higher level.

02:48:11.000 I definitely think that's true.

02:48:13.000 I think reality is probably a lot weirder than we think it is.

02:48:17.000 And whatever happens to you after you're dead, it's very weird that people have similar stories.

02:48:22.000 Very, very weird.

02:48:23.000 They're from different countries also.

02:48:24.000 Yeah, from all over the world.

02:48:26.000 And also long before there was any social media or any public depictions of these things, people have always had very similar stories of these things happening to them.

02:48:37.000 Which makes you wonder, what is death?

02:48:40.000 And what is life?

02:48:41.000 What is consciousness?

02:48:42.000 Does it transcend?

02:48:43.000 Does it go somewhere else?

02:48:44.000 And it always has?

02:48:46.000 Is it a constant cycle?

02:48:49.000 Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

02:48:52.000 Yeah.

02:48:52.000 So it's like, it's got to go somewhere.

02:48:54.000 Your soul, I guess, for lack of a better term, has to go somewhere.

02:48:58.000 Yeah.

02:48:59.000 And if you were looking at, if you were an alien being looking at the direction that the human race is going, I would imagine you would be worried.

02:49:08.000 I would imagine you would see all the chaos and guys falling in love with AI and people beating people up at jazz concerts.

02:49:15.000 You're like, this is not good.

02:49:16.000 But we don't know where we are in the timeline either.

02:49:20.000 I was like, this is going to change things and we're headed towards total destruction.

02:49:23.000 It's like, but we don't know where we are in that continuum.

02:49:26.000 It's like it could do an uptick again and we could rebound and, you know what I mean?

02:49:30.000 Like we just don't know.

02:49:32.000 If we had the right intentions, right?

02:49:34.000 Like if we had the intention of doing things designed to improve the human race versus doing things designed to only make money.

02:49:44.000 If we collectively as a group abandon the idea of just doing things only for profit and instead embrace the idea of helping the human race, complete turnaround.

02:49:53.000 We change everything.

02:49:54.000 Change the whole world.

02:49:57.000 It has to happen on a micro level though, where it's like, you know, it's the religion.

02:50:02.000 It's the religious thing of love your neighbor.

02:50:05.000 Yeah.

02:50:05.000 It's got to start on a very micro level as well.

02:50:07.000 That's probably why that stuff exists.

02:50:09.000 Probably why that exists in so many cultures is because they kind of knew that this is the general direction the human race has to go if we're going to survive.

02:50:17.000 Were you talking about religion?

02:50:18.000 Yeah.

02:50:18.000 And if you had like a guidance from somewhere else, from a higher power, it would probably tell you exactly what Jesus told you.

02:50:25.000 Right.

02:50:26.000 That's probably the message.

02:50:27.000 Yeah.

02:50:28.000 But yeah, the message of Jesus, whether you believe it or not, is beautiful.

02:50:31.000 Right.

02:50:31.000 You know, it's like love your neighbor.

02:50:32.000 It's the only way to get through what we're in now.

02:50:35.000 Yeah.

02:50:36.000 Absolutely.

02:50:37.000 It's a good way to end this podcast, Mike.

02:50:39.000 When are you back?

02:50:40.000 Peace be with you.

02:50:41.000 Peace be with you.

02:50:43.000 And also with you.

02:50:44.000 That's how you say it, right?

02:50:45.000 Yes.

02:50:45.000 And also with you.

02:50:46.000 When are you back?

02:50:48.000 Back here?

02:50:48.000 Yeah, when are you back in the club?

02:50:50.000 I don't know.

02:50:51.000 I'm going to reach out to Adam.

02:50:52.000 Okay.

02:50:53.000 But thank you.

02:50:54.000 Last time I saw you, you were awesome, man.

02:50:55.000 Thank you, Mary.

02:50:56.000 I really appreciate the work and appreciate you having me on here.

02:50:58.000 This is a huge deal for me.

02:51:01.000 You have a special out, right?

02:51:02.000 Yeah, it's called Low Income White.

02:51:03.000 There it is.

02:51:04.000 That's you.

02:51:05.000 And Nate Bargatzi, my friend.

02:51:07.000 Shout out to Nate.

02:51:08.000 Insanely successful and talented.

02:51:12.000 He's giving us an awesome guy, giving me and a lot of other people under the Nate Lamb banner opportunities.

02:51:17.000 So shout out to Nate.

02:51:19.000 Shout out to Nate Lamb.

02:51:19.000 He made this.

02:51:20.000 I love it.

02:51:21.000 And he's putting other comics on.

02:51:23.000 Look at your brand.

02:51:24.000 Thank you.

02:51:24.000 That's a cool one.

02:51:25.000 It's pretty clutch.

02:51:25.000 Look at the diamond stitching.

02:51:27.000 A lot of people online said he's wearing lipstick, but I wasn't.

02:51:30.000 What?

02:51:30.000 Wait a minute.

02:51:31.000 Let me see.

02:51:32.000 All the comments say lipstick.

02:51:34.000 Oh, they're just fucking with you.

02:51:35.000 You don't look like you're wearing lipstick.

02:51:37.000 But I shout out at the Zane's lab.

02:51:38.000 Shout out to Zaney's in Nashville and Nate Bargatzi and the Nate Land brand.

02:51:43.000 Thank you for having me on.

02:51:44.000 Beautiful.

02:51:45.000 All right, brother.

02:51:45.000 I appreciate it.

02:51:46.000 Good to see you, my friend.

02:51:47.000 Always.

02:51:47.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 29, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2356 - Mike Vecchione

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