The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2358 - Chadd Wright

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00:00:14.000 Yeah, I do too, man.

00:00:15.000 I chewed tobacco pretty much since I was about 13 years old.

00:00:21.000 But you know, as you get older, you start to try to optimize everything because the world tells you everything's going to kill you.

00:00:31.000 Is chewing tobacco going to kill you?

00:00:32.000 Well, you know.

00:00:34.000 I've heard people getting mouth cancer.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, that's the main thing is mouth cancer.

00:00:38.000 Mouth cancer is pretty nasty.

00:00:41.000 All forms of cancer are pretty nasty, but mouth cancer can really screw you up.

00:00:46.000 And I think it's the, you know, like the chemicals that they spray on the tobacco when they're growing the tobacco.

00:00:57.000 So I don't know.

00:00:57.000 Maybe if you grew tobacco organically and then you chewed it, it wouldn't give you mouth cancer?

00:01:04.000 Probably makes sense.

00:01:05.000 I don't know.

00:01:06.000 Well, I was just reading something that 100% of California wines that they tested had glyphosate on them.

00:01:13.000 100%.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, I believe it.

00:01:16.000 Which is just nuts.

00:01:18.000 You know, yeah, that stuff is everywhere.

00:01:21.000 I mean, it's never going to go anywhere because, you know, when I was in the Navy, I lived in Virginia and we moved out to a rural community.

00:01:29.000 And they grew corn and soybeans primarily in the fields and nothing else would grow in that dirt.

00:01:35.000 Like you could walk the rows of those crops, you know, and there would not be a single weed growing in the field.

00:01:43.000 Nothing would grow except for the genetically modified seed or whatever they put out there.

00:01:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:53.000 And how long does that stay in the soil?

00:01:54.000 Like does that ever come, can you ever get that out of the dirt so that other things could or would actually thrive there again?

00:02:04.000 I guess after many, many years you could.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, it's many, many years.

00:02:07.000 I had Will Harris from, he's from Georgia, White Oaks Pastures.

00:02:11.000 You ever heard of that guy?

00:02:12.000 I actually listened to that episode that you did with him, man, because I've ordered a pile of meat from them.

00:02:17.000 He's great.

00:02:18.000 He is.

00:02:18.000 That was a great episode.

00:02:20.000 And it's a great episode to educate people on how much time it takes to take an industrial farm and convert it to regenerative agriculture.

00:02:29.000 It's not easy.

00:02:30.000 It's a long grind, super costly, not nearly as profitable.

00:02:36.000 And he did it over a course of 20 years.

00:02:39.000 And we have two jars of soil out there that he gave us.

00:02:44.000 And one of them is a soil from his neighbor's farm, which is an industrial farm.

00:02:47.000 And the other one is his.

00:02:48.000 And his is like a dark, brown, rich, alive soil.

00:02:52.000 And the one from his neighbor's farm is just pale and dead. 0.99

00:02:55.000 And they have to spray shit all over it and use industrial fertilizer. 1.00

00:03:00.000 Yeah, it's ugly, man. 0.98

00:03:02.000 And then it's gotten so far that like to turn it around and try to feed all the people that we have established here in this country in places where nobody's growing food, it's like it's almost impossible.

00:03:13.000 It's almost like they're stuck with this system of industrialized farming.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's being here in Austin, you know, I don't go to the city much.

00:03:24.000 I live on 700 acres in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.

00:03:28.000 And I come here to the city and, you know, you see the result of packing so many human beings into one area.

00:03:37.000 Yeah, how are you going to feed them people?

00:03:39.000 Other than the way that we figured out how to do it.

00:03:42.000 I mean, how are you going to feed them?

00:03:43.000 I don't know, man.

00:03:44.000 Walking around the city, man, it's just coming from where I live, and don't take this as negative.

00:03:51.000 I mean, people love cities.

00:03:52.000 There's cool stuff in cities, right?

00:03:54.000 Like, people get a lot.

00:03:56.000 But me, when I come from where I live, you know, dude, I'm in the woods every day for hours and hours.

00:04:05.000 I don't go to town hardly ever.

00:04:07.000 I'm a squirrel hunter.

00:04:09.000 I have a little mountain cur. 0.95

00:04:11.000 You know, we go out and squirrel hunt for hours every day.

00:04:14.000 But coming to the city, it's like the air burns my nose.

00:04:17.000 It's like I've been coughing all day today.

00:04:19.000 You really notice it?

00:04:20.000 I notice, I can smell it.

00:04:22.000 It smells.

00:04:23.000 Now we're staying right in downtown.

00:04:25.000 The smell reminds me slightly of Lagos, Nigeria, which it's 100X in Lagos. 0.90

00:04:34.000 It literally burns your eyes and your nose to breathe the air there.

00:04:38.000 But even in Austin, I can kind of smell this sour, you know, and then I'm looking at these poor people, man, like these people laying on these park benches and all this stuff.

00:04:50.000 And I'm like, it just makes you think, it makes you wonder the human's propensity to stoop lower than an animal.

00:05:02.000 Like we have the propensity as human to stoop lower than an animal.

00:05:09.000 In the worst case scenario.

00:05:10.000 In the worst case scenarios.

00:05:11.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 I mean, I understand there's so much that goes along with the story that all of those people have.

00:05:20.000 And it was funny.

00:05:21.000 I saw a lady sitting on the edge of the sidewalk today. 1.00

00:05:25.000 She was smoking crack or something. 0.66

00:05:27.000 And now my wife's in recovery.

00:05:30.000 And I said, it's just mind-boggling to me, me being a man of the country, to see the human's propensity to stoop that low.

00:05:39.000 And she looked at me and she said, well, I've done it.

00:05:42.000 I said, that's good.

00:05:44.000 Man, my woman is so good, brother.

00:05:47.000 She came out of it.

00:05:48.000 She came out of it, right?

00:05:50.000 I mean, by the grace of God.

00:05:52.000 Well, I'm glad you didn't come visit us in L.A. I would have showed you some real shit. 0.99

00:05:55.000 Dude, this is nothing. 0.99

00:05:57.000 I went to L.A. one time with my buddy Jesse Itzler.

00:06:01.000 He took me out there when all this stuff started.

00:06:03.000 I got out of the Navy.

00:06:04.000 He said, Chad, he asked me to come coach him, teach him how to run a long ways.

00:06:10.000 I said, all right, I'll come out there.

00:06:12.000 And me and Jesse became fast friends.

00:06:14.000 He said, I'm going to take you out here to L.A. He said, I'm going to take you on a few of these interviews with these people.

00:06:21.000 He said, but I want you to realize that if you decide to do this, your life will never be the same.

00:06:29.000 And I said, all right, let's go.

00:06:30.000 You mean like do a podcast?

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 Jesse's an interesting guy.

00:06:35.000 He's one of my biggest mentors.

00:06:37.000 He's a close friend.

00:06:39.000 I like that dude a lot.

00:06:40.000 I had him on.

00:06:41.000 I enjoyed talking to him.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, I love him to death, man.

00:06:43.000 But he took me out there.

00:06:45.000 And L.A. was, yeah, it put me back really that some of the places that we went were very similar to some of the areas that we deployed to.

00:06:55.000 Just the smell and the sights and the way people were living.

00:06:59.000 It was wild, man.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, it's a chaotic environment, and you get used to anything.

00:07:04.000 And people that live there get used to it.

00:07:06.000 They don't know what real peace is like.

00:07:08.000 You know, like when I would tell people why I like mountain hunting, I'd be like, man, it's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.

00:07:15.000 You get out in there in the mountains and you smell that clean air and you just feel it.

00:07:19.000 Your whole body just goes, ah, this is so much better.

00:07:24.000 This is so much better to live like this.

00:07:26.000 It is.

00:07:26.000 I just don't get a chance to do it that often.

00:07:29.000 You know, I don't live in it like you do.

00:07:31.000 Living in it is the ultimate.

00:07:33.000 You know, if you could live in it and then go visit other places, that's way better to live in nature.

00:07:38.000 The noise, too.

00:07:40.000 The noise, I don't think that people who live in the city, they've become acclimated to all of the constant noise.

00:07:50.000 It's never quiet.

00:07:52.000 But when I enter into that environment, like that noise is doing, it does something to me.

00:07:57.000 Like the traffic and the constant humming and it just, I feel like I begin to hold this tension within me.

00:08:08.000 I don't know what it's doing to me.

00:08:09.000 I don't know, man.

00:08:10.000 That's sensory overload.

00:08:12.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 But I guess you can become accustomed to it.

00:08:14.000 Well, people in New York City have to become accustomed to it, and they actually like it.

00:08:18.000 They like that feeling of sensory overload.

00:08:20.000 But everybody that I know that likes that is fairly unhealthy.

00:08:23.000 I don't know any like real fit, healthy, active people that really enjoy that environment.

00:08:29.000 So why, why do you understand you love what you do, but I mean, you could build a studio somewhere out in the out in the mountains somewhere.

00:08:40.000 We're going to probably do that.

00:08:42.000 We're going to probably build a studio on a ranch next.

00:08:45.000 That's the next move.

00:08:45.000 I want to have like a tactical course out there.

00:08:49.000 Have it set up and do fun shit with guests too. 0.98

00:08:52.000 Because people are going to come see you, man. 0.99

00:08:54.000 That's what I think.

00:08:56.000 I mean, what you've done, man, is so cool.

00:08:59.000 I tell people all the time, if you ever have the opportunity to go and see someone who is the best in the world at what they do, take that opportunity.

00:09:10.000 Whether it's a runner, a fighter, a kayaker, or a podcaster.

00:09:17.000 Like, it's so cool to be here and to get to witness what you do, how you do it, the level that you go to to make all this happen.

00:09:28.000 You're the best in the world.

00:09:30.000 Like, that's it.

00:09:31.000 That's so cool for me, man.

00:09:33.000 Like, if we don't talk here, but for 30 minutes, I got to see the best in the world do what he does.

00:09:40.000 And how cool is that, man?

00:09:42.000 Oh, thank you.

00:09:43.000 And like the hospitality that you have, you know, given me since I've been here, it's just next level.

00:09:50.000 And that's what you see when you get to witness the best in the world do whatever it is they are the best at.

00:09:56.000 You just get to see this whole nother level of proficiency, of skill, of technique, of mastery.

00:10:05.000 And that opens up your mind into like what's possible.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, this, I mean, you can go back and watch the beginning episodes.

00:10:13.000 This, it was terrible in the early days.

00:10:16.000 I'm a podcaster too, man.

00:10:18.000 I know you are.

00:10:19.000 I watch your show all the time.

00:10:20.000 I've got like 400 and something episodes out and same here when I first started.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, it was awful, but it's so much fun.

00:10:27.000 I love it.

00:10:28.000 I love it.

00:10:28.000 I found your show because of a video that you did on your Land Cruiser because I'm a Land Cruiser nut.

00:10:34.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:10:34.000 And you were talking about like have a truck that will fucking, like, no matter what, will work. 0.96

00:10:40.000 Like, if they throw EMP pulses in the air and kill all the electronics, which is people don't understand. 0.99

00:10:47.000 Like every car everyone is driving has a fucking computer in it. 0.99

00:10:51.000 And if something goes on, there's some sort of a power grid failure or some sort of a solar flare that knocks out electronics, it could knock out your fucking car. 0.99

00:11:02.000 You have a brick now. 0.99

00:11:04.000 It's not going to work.

00:11:04.000 If you don't have a carburetor and you have a car, like a regular old school car, it's not going to work.

00:11:12.000 You know, Tucker Carlson, he drives like a 1978 pickup truck.

00:11:17.000 And I go, why do you drive that?

00:11:18.000 He goes, because they can't shut it off.

00:11:20.000 The government can't get it.

00:11:21.000 It's got no GPS. 0.99

00:11:22.000 He's super fucking paranoid. 0.98

00:11:25.000 Well, the newest vehicle that I have, and yes, Land Cruisers are my favorite. 0.99

00:11:29.000 I've become close friends with Daniel at TLC 4x4, and he's done two for me, 100 Series and a 60 Series.

00:11:34.000 And they did mine too when they were in LA.

00:11:36.000 Yeah, man, they're just awesome.

00:11:38.000 And like I said, my favorite part about driving the Land Cruiser is that it makes people smile.

00:11:44.000 I'm not a very funny guy, you know, so there's not many, I don't get many opportunities to make human beings smile, but I can drive this Land Cruiser and people look at it and point at it, and they're smiling.

00:11:56.000 And like that just, that's cool to me.

00:11:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:11:59.000 Especially 60 series, I think.

00:12:01.000 There's like a core group of people who love those things.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, and I slow down when I see one.

00:12:07.000 I slow down.

00:12:08.000 I check it out.

00:12:08.000 Yeah, but the newest vehicle that I have, and I'm a car guy.

00:12:12.000 Now, I was poor most of my life.

00:12:14.000 I'm still fairly poor.

00:12:15.000 But, you know, I got enough money I can buy the cars that I want now.

00:12:20.000 And the newest car that I have is a 1997 Dodge diesel truck.

00:12:26.000 I have two 97.

00:12:28.000 I have an OBS Ford.

00:12:29.000 It's a 97 with the PowerStroke diesel.

00:12:32.000 I have a 97 Dodge Ram with the Cummins diesel because those are the two best diesel engines, undisputedly, that have ever been produced.

00:12:42.000 I have the 100 Series Land Cruiser.

00:12:44.000 Actually, the 100 Series is a 98, but I kind of gave that to my brother.

00:12:50.000 So I can't count that.

00:12:52.000 The 60 Series is an 84.

00:12:54.000 I have an 86 Toyota they call pickup.

00:12:57.000 It's a Hilux.

00:13:00.000 I don't know if I'm missing something, but I love old cars.

00:13:03.000 Those old Toyotas are bulletproof.

00:13:05.000 They never break.

00:13:06.000 That's my squirrel hunting truck.

00:13:07.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 It'll go anywhere.

00:13:09.000 You know, why am I going to go spend $30,000 on a side-by-side?

00:13:14.000 I can get in this Toyota truck and I can go anywhere.

00:13:16.000 You can go in a side-by-side.

00:13:20.000 That's true.

00:13:20.000 That's my squirrel hunting truck, man.

00:13:22.000 So is squirrel hunting the most hunting that you do?

00:13:25.000 I love – I squirrel hunt every day.

00:13:32.000 How much squirrel do you eat?

00:13:34.000 Well, I eat squirrel on special occasions.

00:13:40.000 I give away a lot of squirrel meat.

00:13:43.000 I'm blessed enough in life now that I can eat ribeye steak.

00:13:47.000 I give away a lot of squirrel.

00:13:49.000 I don't kill all the squirrels that we tree either.

00:13:54.000 Really, since a young age, I was introduced to hunting with dogs, tree dogs specifically.

00:14:03.000 And there was something about a tree dog that just stirred this passion within me.

00:14:13.000 It is the only thing that has stuck with me from childhood, young childhood.

00:14:20.000 The first tree dog I ever walked to, I mean, I was, I didn't even know, I probably shouldn't even have been in the woods, but I followed my uncle to a coonhound tree down in a swamp.

00:14:31.000 And it just, even at that age, it just stirred something in me like, this is some sort of primal instinct of partnering with this dog in this chase.

00:14:43.000 And I've done it even up until now.

00:14:47.000 And it's just, it's a unique experience, man.

00:14:53.000 And the great thing about dogs, hunting dogs too, is the breeding aspect of it.

00:15:01.000 That's a lot of fun.

00:15:02.000 So not only do you have your best friend, you know, my little mountain cur, her name's Wendy.

00:15:08.000 She stays in the house.

00:15:09.000 She's my best friend.

00:15:10.000 We hunt every day together.

00:15:13.000 But now I get to breed her.

00:15:15.000 I get to select a mate.

00:15:16.000 And over the course, I'm hoping over the course of the next 30 years or so, I can breed in these specific characteristics of this type of dog that I value.

00:15:30.000 And so that's fun, you know.

00:15:33.000 Not only is the hunting fun, but the breeding is fun.

00:15:35.000 The training is fun.

00:15:37.000 Everything about it is fun.

00:15:39.000 And you take a group of guys out squirrel hunting, man, and it's a blast because you don't have to be quiet.

00:15:44.000 Look, man, you're just, you're out there in the woods on four-wheelers.

00:15:46.000 Everybody's got shotguns.

00:15:48.000 You know, you get to the tree.

00:15:49.000 Here's this dog just hammering a treat on this tree. 0.90

00:15:54.000 Everybody surrounds the tree and that squirrel gets nervous and he starts timbering out, going tree to tree.

00:16:00.000 And you got five or six guys with shotguns blasting away and everybody's cutting up and laughing.

00:16:05.000 I mean, it's just a blast, dude.

00:16:08.000 But that's my thing, you know.

00:16:10.000 That's a funny thing.

00:16:13.000 I like to hunt whitetails.

00:16:15.000 I get to go on my first elk hunt this year.

00:16:17.000 Oh, wow.

00:16:18.000 Where are you going?

00:16:19.000 There's a family out in Utah.

00:16:24.000 They own some ranch out there.

00:16:26.000 I think it's called R5 Ranch.

00:16:27.000 And they wanted to put a hunt on for a veteran.

00:16:31.000 So they partnered with an outfitter called G3 Outfitters, and they bought a tag, and for some odd reason, they selected me as their veteran that they want to take out on an elk hunt.

00:16:44.000 Now, I've always wanted the elk hunt, man.

00:16:46.000 I've just, you know, I've just never made it happen.

00:16:48.000 There's a lot that goes into it, as you know.

00:16:51.000 And so they're taking me to New Mexico.

00:16:55.000 They bought some tag from a landowner, and they're going to take me out there elk hunting.

00:17:01.000 That's a great spot.

00:17:02.000 New Mexico is a great spot for elk.

00:17:04.000 He sent me some pictures of some of these bulls.

00:17:06.000 Yeah.

00:17:07.000 I said, what an animal.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, New Mexico's got some crazy genetics, too.

00:17:15.000 There's a guy who explained this to me, that there's really two different, besides like Tule elk and Roosevelt elk, there's Rocky Mountain elk and then there's Yellowstone elk.

00:17:26.000 And the Yellowstone elk are an older breed that has a larger antlers, a bigger animal.

00:17:31.000 And you find a lot of those in Arizona and you find a lot of those in New Mexico.

00:17:37.000 So where we're hunting at is right, it is on the border of Arizona and New Mexico.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, so I bet you have great genetics out there.

00:17:45.000 You know what, man, I can't believe it.

00:17:48.000 I can't believe this is the first, my going to be my first elk hunt.

00:17:51.000 Are you rifle or bow hunting?

00:17:53.000 It's going to be rifle.

00:17:54.000 Now, I'm a big archery guy, too.

00:17:59.000 When I hunt whitetails, when I started hunting whitetails, that was what I did was bow hunt and still bow hunt quite a bit.

00:18:07.000 But this is a rifle hunt.

00:18:09.000 I love bow hunting.

00:18:10.000 Rifle hunting is great. 0.62

00:18:12.000 It's most effective, most efficient way to hunt, but there's something about having to get inside, you know, 70, 80 yards, sneaking up, executing a perfect shot.

00:18:24.000 Now you're a Hoyt guy, too, right?

00:18:26.000 I have been too all my life.

00:18:28.000 They make amazing bows.

00:18:30.000 My wife, a couple years ago, bought me that RX-7 with the carbon fiber riser.

00:18:37.000 I always wanted a bow with a carbon riser because I remember hunting so many hunts in the southeast, whitetail hunts, walking into the stand and your hand just getting so cold.

00:18:48.000 Right, right.

00:18:49.000 Carrying that bow around.

00:18:50.000 Yeah, that's the difference.

00:18:51.000 Carbon doesn't get cold like that, like aluminum does.

00:18:54.000 That's the main reason I wanted one, but it's been a great bow.

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00:19:34.000 Yeah, they make them better every year, and I don't know how the fuck they do it. 0.70

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00:19:44.000 They've probably got it mapped out for the next 10 years in advance.

00:19:47.000 Yeah.

00:19:47.000 Oh, they do.

00:19:48.000 They could go ahead and make the best one.

00:19:50.000 They just.

00:19:51.000 Well, yeah, it's incremental improvements based on how the industry is going.

00:19:55.000 But we went to the Hoyt Factory.

00:19:56.000 I've been to the Hoyt Factory a few times, but we went recently and showed the process that they make those things.

00:20:01.000 It's so incredible.

00:20:02.000 It's all these super sophisticated computers and machines and CNC machines.

00:20:07.000 They're cut in the aluminum.

00:20:09.000 And, you know, they have so many different steps to make sure that quality control is perfect.

00:20:14.000 And at the end, when you get it, you really appreciate it.

00:20:18.000 And they're so smooth now.

00:20:21.000 Like, I've been bow hunting for 12 years now, 13 years, 13 years.

00:20:25.000 And just the difference in 13 years is crazy.

00:20:28.000 Like, if I go back and pick up one of my old bows, it just feels archaic.

00:20:32.000 They're so smooth now.

00:20:34.000 The draw cycle's so smooth and they're so dead in the hand when you fire them.

00:20:38.000 And those parallel limbs and they're so short and compact.

00:20:41.000 You know, the old bows we used to shoot back in the day, the old Vipertex and all that from Hoyt and Matthews had the old SQ2s and Q2s and they were just long and unwieldy in the stand.

00:20:56.000 And, you know, you can make, like you said, 100-yard shots now with a compound bow.

00:21:04.000 Back then, I mean, there wasn't nobody shooting them bows at 100 yards.

00:21:08.000 No.

00:21:08.000 Because they just weren't tuned, I think, so finely as the bows that we have today.

00:21:14.000 I mean, that RX-7, man, every time I shoot that bow, it amazes me at how that arrow just flies like a laser beam.

00:21:24.000 I'm like, good night, man.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 It's a cool thing.

00:21:28.000 Have you ever shot a stick bow?

00:21:30.000 Yes.

00:21:30.000 Okay.

00:21:30.000 I'm not good at it, though.

00:21:32.000 I shot it on vacation once.

00:21:34.000 I was shocked at how bad I was because I'm so good with a compound bow. 0.99

00:21:38.000 Trying to figure out where to aim, where it goes, and do all this shit and how to let loose, right? 0.98

00:21:44.000 I have a buddy who hunts exclusively. 0.99

00:21:45.000 My buddy Ryan Callahan, he hunts exclusively with a homemade bow.

00:21:51.000 He's got a long bow that he made.

00:21:54.000 I don't know if he made this one.

00:21:55.000 I know he's made them before.

00:21:57.000 But it's those real simple bows.

00:22:00.000 I'm like, you can't even get much energy out of that thing.

00:22:03.000 But it's the extra challenge.

00:22:05.000 You got to get real close.

00:22:06.000 You got to get real close and be real accurate.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, I took mine on a mule deer hunt up in the Wasatch Range in Utah two years ago.

00:22:16.000 And yeah, I mean, you got to get within seven to ten yards of that animal with a longbow.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 I mean, I do anyways.

00:22:26.000 You know, Fred Bear could have made a 20 or 30 yard shot, but you got to get right in their laps.

00:22:33.000 And I was on public land.

00:22:36.000 It was a wilderness area.

00:22:37.000 That's where I like to hunt.

00:22:38.000 I mean, I like wilderness areas.

00:22:42.000 That's the highest designation of preservation that Congress can award to a piece of land.

00:22:46.000 So if you're in a wilderness area, you know there's not going to be no horses, no mechanized tools.

00:22:52.000 Nobody's going to be clearing trails with a chainsaw up there.

00:22:56.000 If you ever want to go in the backcountry, find a wilderness area.

00:23:00.000 Not a national park, not a national forest.

00:23:04.000 Find a wilderness area.

00:23:06.000 But we were watching these mule deer, and you know, I'd watch them in the morning.

00:23:09.000 They'd get up and feed.

00:23:11.000 Well, then I'd wait for them to go lay down, and then you had to move on that mule deer and use the terrain, put the terrain between you and him.

00:23:21.000 And they'd be bedded down.

00:23:24.000 And you could get with, the closest I got to one was about five yards.

00:23:29.000 And he was bedded down under a tree, just kind of out in this big old rock.

00:23:34.000 I was way up in the mountains, big old rocky area.

00:23:37.000 Well, I stalked all the way up there to him, and I got about five yards from where I'd last seen, where I saw him bed down at.

00:23:43.000 You know, I lost sight of him when I started to stalk.

00:23:46.000 And I got impatient.

00:23:48.000 And I got there, and I was laid down up against a rock, and that tree was right there.

00:23:52.000 And I thought, you know, it took me about an hour to stalk over here.

00:23:56.000 I said, I wonder if he got up and moved.

00:23:59.000 And I peeked my head up over that rock and that big son of a gun was just looking right at me.

00:24:05.000 I'm talking about eye to eye, five yards.

00:24:08.000 He jumped up and tore out of there. 0.95

00:24:11.000 That was the closest I got to killing one. 0.99

00:24:13.000 But if I would have just laid there with that longbow and been patient and waited for him to stand up off his bed, I could have drew and shot him right there. 0.99

00:24:23.000 He's probably already alert. 0.98

00:24:24.000 He probably heard you.

00:24:25.000 I don't know if he heard me or not.

00:24:28.000 I had the wind.

00:24:29.000 I had the wind.

00:24:33.000 I had shoes on, but you know, I'm stalking across big, big granite rock slabs and stuff, so it was pretty quiet.

00:24:39.000 I mean, there was no indication when I picked my head up.

00:24:43.000 He was still laying there on bed.

00:24:46.000 There was no indication that he knew I was there other than when he saw me peek my head over the rock and stand up and tear out of there, you know.

00:24:55.000 They're the most difficult to hunt because they're just dealing with mountain lions all day long.

00:24:59.000 And they're just always like, and they'll jump the string quicker than any animal.

00:25:04.000 Other than like, the craziest ones are Axis deer. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Have you ever hunted Axis deer?

00:25:08.000 I haven't.

00:25:09.000 Axis deer evolved with tigers.

00:25:12.000 So they move so fast.

00:25:14.000 I had a video of an axis deer that I shot at at 70 plus yards with a lighted knock.

00:25:21.000 And you see the arrow launch.

00:25:23.000 I mean, his arrow's going 290 feet a second.

00:25:25.000 You see this arrow launching towards this deer.

00:25:29.000 And this deer is feeding in the field, totally broadside.

00:25:32.000 He hears the arrow within 10 yards, ducks down, hauls out, and he's gone by the time the arrow got there.

00:25:41.000 He hears the arrow in flight.

00:25:43.000 Exactly.

00:25:43.000 He had no idea.

00:25:44.000 We were very far away.

00:25:45.000 That's why I took the shot.

00:25:47.000 It's one of the things with those animals, like you're sometimes better off taking a long shot than a close shot because they hear that bow go off and they just duck and go.

00:25:55.000 I mean, they're not trying to duck under your arrow.

00:25:58.000 What they're trying to do is load up Their weapons or load up their legs rather get super low so they can launch themselves forward and get on.

00:26:06.000 They're just trying to take off as quickly as possible, and that means dropping down.

00:26:10.000 And when they drop down, arrows go right over them.

00:26:12.000 But this one was so fast within 10 yards, he was nowhere near the arrow. 1.00

00:26:17.000 His ass was over here. 0.99

00:26:20.000 The vitals where I aimed for was right here. 1.00

00:26:22.000 He was already over there.

00:26:23.000 He was two feet away from it, and he didn't start moving until that arrow was 10 yards away from it.

00:26:28.000 Where was that at?

00:26:29.000 That was in Hawaii.

00:26:30.000 Hawaii, okay.

00:26:31.000 Lanai is a crazy place because Lanai has no predators and it's a small island.

00:26:37.000 It only has 3,000 people living on it, but it has 30,000 deer plus. 0.99

00:26:43.000 So they want you to kill them. 1.00

00:26:44.000 They want you to kill them. 1.00

00:26:44.000 Kill them as many as you can. 1.00

00:26:46.000 They have people that are snipers that go out there at night. 1.00

00:26:49.000 And everybody on the island eats good because it's the best meat.

00:26:52.000 Axis deer is delicious if you've ever had it.

00:26:54.000 It's right up there with elk.

00:26:56.000 It's fantastic meat.

00:26:58.000 And they're just completely overpopulated, so they have to do it.

00:27:01.000 So people hunt them there 365 days a year, so high pressure.

00:27:05.000 So they're used to like, they're always with their head on a swivel, always looking around for a hunter.

00:27:11.000 That would be a fun, huh?

00:27:12.000 That would tune you up.

00:27:13.000 Oh, it's great before elk season.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, that would tune you up.

00:27:16.000 Because you'll get, if you blow a stalk, you get another stalk in 10 seconds.

00:27:20.000 Like you're on another animal and you're in these fields that used to be where the dole plant grew pineapples.

00:27:27.000 So it's kind of a weird ground.

00:27:29.000 Like, I guess the way they would farm pineapples, they would put like a layer of plastic down and then the soil would be above the plastic.

00:27:38.000 So everywhere you go, it's weird.

00:27:40.000 You see like almost like garbage bag plastic underneath the dirt all over the place. 0.97

00:27:45.000 I'll be darned. 0.58

00:27:46.000 And these animals are, you'll like, you'll sit on the top of a hill and look down on a field and you might see 600 Axis deer wandering around this field. 0.96

00:27:56.000 Good night.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:27:57.000 It's crazy.

00:27:58.000 It's so unnatural.

00:28:02.000 They're not native?

00:28:03.000 No.

00:28:04.000 They were given to King Kamehameha by, I think, the king of India, whatever the ruler of India was in the 1800s.

00:28:14.000 And they've had them on this island forever.

00:28:16.000 And they're just completely overpopulated.

00:28:19.000 They're all like all over the place and big ones too.

00:28:23.000 That'd be a fun hunt.

00:28:24.000 Oh, it's a great hunt.

00:28:25.000 It's a great, if you have a rifle, it's a no-brainer.

00:28:28.000 It's like you're 100% going to get a deer.

00:28:31.000 But if you've got a bow, I mean, I went out there with Cam Haynes and Remy Warren and Adam Greentry and all these just like bona fide killers who like world-class hunters.

00:28:41.000 Cam's the best in the world, man.

00:28:43.000 Best in the world.

00:28:44.000 And John Dudley was there too.

00:28:45.000 And we went out there and we were there for like six or seven days and everyone was successful.

00:28:50.000 And then we made a podcast about it, blew up the outfitters.

00:28:54.000 A great place to go hunt.

00:28:55.000 You stay at the four seasons, incredible food, amazing amenities, beautiful, beautiful resort.

00:29:03.000 And then you get to go and hunt in this incredible place.

00:29:05.000 But after we left, he said they had 150 people come within that season from then until the time we went back the next year.

00:29:14.000 One guy was successful with a bow.

00:29:17.000 One.

00:29:18.000 One.

00:29:19.000 Night, man.

00:29:20.000 And you get so many opportunities, but they're so fast.

00:29:24.000 Bad odds.

00:29:26.000 Here's the deal.

00:29:27.000 Don't try the morning. 0.98

00:29:29.000 I've hunted in the morning and I've been successful, but it's too fucking quiet. 0.57

00:29:32.000 You really want to go in the afternoon because in the afternoon you get a lot of wind.

00:29:36.000 And, you know, you just got to pick your spots and play your stalks correctly.

00:29:41.000 Have you turkey hunted?

00:29:42.000 Yes.

00:29:43.000 Okay.

00:29:43.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 Eastern or what was it?

00:29:45.000 California.

00:29:46.000 It was in California.

00:29:47.000 Okay.

00:29:47.000 It was in Merriam's or probably.

00:29:51.000 It was in the wine country up there.

00:29:54.000 I went up there with Steve Ranella.

00:29:56.000 Okay.

00:29:56.000 He took me turkey hunting.

00:29:57.000 It was fun.

00:29:58.000 You know, his buddy's a big squirrel hunter.

00:30:00.000 Steve's buddy's a big squirrel hunter.

00:30:02.000 What's that guy?

00:30:03.000 Clay Newcomb.

00:30:03.000 Clay Newcombe.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, he's got a bunch of feist dogs.

00:30:06.000 I think he hunts off of mules.

00:30:08.000 Yes.

00:30:08.000 I'll tell you what we ought to do.

00:30:10.000 We ought to set up a big squirrel hunt with everybody.

00:30:14.000 Me and you and Clay and Cam, and we'll just set up a big squirrel hunt once.

00:30:20.000 I've had squirrel once.

00:30:21.000 With Ranella, he cooks some squirrel up for us.

00:30:23.000 That's good.

00:30:24.000 Boy, if we could get him to come in and cook, too, that would be outstanding.

00:30:27.000 It would be.

00:30:28.000 Because I have a hard time making this wild game taste worth a flip.

00:30:31.000 Do you?

00:30:32.000 I'm just not a good cook, man.

00:30:33.000 I noticed that.

00:30:34.000 I was going to talk to you about your steak cooking.

00:30:36.000 We've got to work on that.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, I'm just not much of a cook, man.

00:30:39.000 I watched you cook a steak on a Traeger, and I was like, listen, the way to cook a steak on a Traeger is you can cook a steak on a Traeger.

00:30:47.000 Like, you could cook, like, if you have a roast, like, you can cook a good roast on a Traeger, but the reality is you need to be able to sear it.

00:30:54.000 And so you can't really sear things on a Traeger.

00:30:57.000 And I saw what you did.

00:30:58.000 You try to turn the temperature up real high and then cook it at the end.

00:31:01.000 The key is get it on a frying pan.

00:31:03.000 Like, get it low and slow on the Traeger.

00:31:06.000 I like 225 degrees with the super smoke.

00:31:08.000 Get it nice and smoky.

00:31:10.000 Get it up to 120 degrees and then cast iron skillet. 0.99

00:31:15.000 Get that motherfucker hot. 1.00

00:31:16.000 Put some beef tallow in there and like 90 seconds on each side. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Seals it up.

00:31:21.000 Perfect.

00:31:22.000 Now, do you do most of your own cooking?

00:31:24.000 Yeah, I do almost all my own cooking.

00:31:25.000 Okay.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 I cook a lot.

00:31:27.000 Does your wife cook? 1.00

00:31:28.000 Yeah, she cooks too. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Yeah, my wife cooks. 1.00

00:31:30.000 I'm so blessed that she cooks because I've got a long ways to go.

00:31:34.000 I actually made a goal of mine I've been working on.

00:31:37.000 I cook for her one night a week.

00:31:40.000 And it's worked out a few times, but I'm learning.

00:31:44.000 I appreciate that tip on the steak.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, the tip on the steak is reverse sear is what it's called.

00:31:50.000 And I learned that from whiskey bent, my friend Chad, Whiskey Bent BBQ.

00:31:55.000 And he said, if you really want to cook a steak correctly, he goes, you want it to be slowly cooked and then sear the outside.

00:32:01.000 A lot of people try to sear it first.

00:32:03.000 He's like, I don't agree with that.

00:32:04.000 He goes, I think the way to get the juiciest steak is to slow cook it and then sear it at the end, the reverse sear method.

00:32:11.000 Well, I'm going to try that when I get the move.

00:32:12.000 It's the move.

00:32:14.000 My cousin raises all the cows we eat.

00:32:16.000 Oh, that's true.

00:32:17.000 My mama makes all the bread we eat.

00:32:19.000 My wife grows all the vegetables that we eat.

00:32:23.000 I'm going to say seasonally, you know what I mean, seasonally.

00:32:27.000 My cousin raises all the cows.

00:32:30.000 You know, we get our water right out of the ground.

00:32:32.000 I take buckets of water once a week, go collect water.

00:32:36.000 Comes right out of a spring.

00:32:38.000 Some old rednecks found a spring back in there and ran a PVC pipe out of it, you know. 1.00

00:32:44.000 And so we just go there and collect all of our water.

00:32:46.000 You're totally off the grid.

00:32:48.000 Well, you know, we'll order some stuff from the grocery store, you know, just it would be.

00:32:53.000 But your home is totally off the grid.

00:32:54.000 It wouldn't be hard at all to ramp things up to the point that we were 100% eating what we could produce as a family unit.

00:33:09.000 No one person is going to produce everything that they need for them and their family to eat.

00:33:15.000 It's my cousin, he raises cows, you know, so we know where they're coming from.

00:33:19.000 We know how they're living.

00:33:20.000 We know what they're being fed.

00:33:22.000 Like I said, my mama makes bread. 0.97

00:33:24.000 My wife can grow anything. 1.00

00:33:28.000 It's an effort.

00:33:29.000 You know, I hunt.

00:33:30.000 I can bring in wild game meat at any time.

00:33:34.000 Everybody thinks about when the apocalypse comes, you know, you think you're going to be eating all these deer and elk and stuff.

00:33:40.000 You're going to be eating squirrel, buddy.

00:33:42.000 Squirrel and birds, maybe a possum every now and then.

00:33:46.000 Them deer is going to be gone quick.

00:33:48.000 Probably.

00:33:49.000 Small game, if you want to really subsistence, you know, get your meat from the wild, you got to be able to hunt small game.

00:33:58.000 Squirrels, rabbits, coon, opossum, you got to be able to hunt them.

00:34:04.000 You know, you go out and try to hunt a coon without a dog.

00:34:08.000 You ain't going to kill no coon. 1.00

00:34:09.000 You know, I can take a good dog out and kill 10 coons in an hour if I'm in a huge. 0.97

00:34:13.000 What does raccoon taste like?

00:34:16.000 Raccoon is pretty greasy.

00:34:18.000 You got to, again, you got to cook it right.

00:34:20.000 You know, so much wild game, other than elk, I've found elk seems to be really, really good, even if you're not a skilled cook.

00:34:29.000 Yeah.

00:34:29.000 You know, to me, anyways, it's the best wild game meat I've ever ate.

00:34:34.000 But like these squirrels, coons, things like small game, even rabbit, they can get real tough.

00:34:42.000 You know, you can.

00:34:44.000 Is that raccoon, James?

00:34:45.000 Yeah, that's coon right there. 1.00

00:34:46.000 You cook it in a crock pot.

00:34:47.000 A lot of these small game, you slow cook it, you know, and that kind of helps keep it moist and break it down.

00:34:54.000 Yeah. 0.70

00:34:55.000 But anyways, man, I'm all over the darn place. 0.51

00:34:58.000 And you probably have to cook it to a high temperature, too. 0.68

00:35:02.000 Raccoons probably get trichinosis, right? 0.99

00:35:04.000 I don't know if a coon does or not. 1.00

00:35:05.000 I've killed a bunch of bears, and I know they do.

00:35:09.000 They do.

00:35:10.000 That's the one thing I didn't like about bear.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, me too.

00:35:13.000 It makes me uncomfortable.

00:35:15.000 I've killed two black bears, both of them with my bow.

00:35:18.000 Both of them about 500 pounds.

00:35:22.000 Those are big black bears.

00:35:23.000 Those are big, big black bears.

00:35:25.000 Are these Georgia black bears?

00:35:26.000 No, these are Virginia.

00:35:27.000 There's a place in Virginia called the Great Dismal Swamp.

00:35:30.000 It's about 110,000 acre continuous block of land.

00:35:34.000 That's what's left of it.

00:35:36.000 It's eat up with bears.

00:35:38.000 I mean, I would take my coon dog down the swamp bottom.

00:35:43.000 We called it the run.

00:35:45.000 And during springtime, when them bears were out with cubs, I couldn't even hardly run my coon dog up and down through there.

00:35:52.000 There were so many bears in there.

00:35:54.000 And them sows would get, they would get, you know, mad at us for being in there and start popping their teeth and making racket.

00:36:01.000 I took a young man with me down in there one time, first time he ever been coon hunting.

00:36:05.000 I was hunting a dog called a leopard cur.

00:36:08.000 And I cut that dog loose in there and he went down in there, oh, boom, slam, treed.

00:36:13.000 I thought, all right, this is good, because coon hunting can be rough.

00:36:16.000 We walked down in there and I had this young guy with me.

00:36:20.000 He had the rifle.

00:36:21.000 We got up to the tree and I walk up to that dog and leash it up.

00:36:26.000 And I'm fooling with the dog, getting it leashed back on the tree there.

00:36:29.000 And he said, what is that?

00:36:31.000 I said, what are you talking about?

00:36:33.000 He said, stop and listen.

00:36:34.000 And I stopped and that dog quit barking for a second.

00:36:37.000 And all of a sudden, I could hear bark raining down on the leaves above my head because it was summertime.

00:36:43.000 About that time, about a 300-pound black bear comes sliding down out of that tree like it was on a fireman's pole.

00:36:48.000 Landed, I'm talking about that junker landed right in the midst of me, him, and the dog.

00:36:55.000 And he's standing there.

00:36:56.000 He's just frozen because he'd never been coon hunting before.

00:37:00.000 He's got the gun.

00:37:01.000 He's just frozen.

00:37:03.000 And about the time that bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of that dog because the dog was my only chance to run this bear out of our vicinity.

00:37:12.000 And these cur dogs are real gritty. 1.00

00:37:14.000 They won't back up.

00:37:17.000 I mean, they won't back up from nothing. 0.99

00:37:19.000 They're like a game cock, man. 0.98

00:37:24.000 And that dog tore out after that bear, ran him out. 0.98

00:37:28.000 I looked over at that boy.

00:37:29.000 I said, were you just going to, you've got the gun.

00:37:32.000 You just stood there and did it.

00:37:34.000 He said, well, I thought that happens all the time.

00:37:37.000 But that's how many bears was in this area, man.

00:37:40.000 So I'd be out there whitetail hunting, you know, and a big old 500-pound boar bear would come up.

00:37:47.000 You know, I've had them climb the tree that I was sitting in, the tree stand.

00:37:50.000 But, you know, if a big one came by, it's hard not to shoot a big trophy bear, especially with a bow.

00:37:59.000 So I've killed two, but when we'd kill them bear, I would just, there was a lot of poor, real poor people that lived around in there.

00:38:08.000 Well, there was one man named Zachariah. 0.96

00:38:11.000 He was about a 90-year-old black man.

00:38:14.000 He had one eye.

00:38:15.000 He hunted year-round because he had to hunt to eat.

00:38:18.000 We'd see him out in the field deer hunting in the middle of the summertime.

00:38:21.000 Wouldn't nobody say nothing to him because they knew he had to eat.

00:38:24.000 But I'd call Zachariah when I'd killed that bear.

00:38:27.000 Well, then he would call all of his people in the community, and we'd take that bear down to the skinning shed.

00:38:34.000 And within 10 minutes, we'd have 50 people lined up at the skinning shed with grocery bags.

00:38:40.000 And so we would cut this bear up and process this bear.

00:38:43.000 And these, you know, poor people, they'd come down there and get them a big piece of meat.

00:38:48.000 Well, by the time everybody was done, there wasn't maybe but one piece of meat left, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:38:54.000 Because I don't like bear, but I sure do like killing them.

00:38:57.000 Have you ever had it cooked well?

00:38:59.000 Done well?

00:39:00.000 We've cooked some at the house.

00:39:02.000 But I haven't, I mean, I haven't, that's what I'm saying.

00:39:05.000 I'm not a good cook.

00:39:06.000 You just have to learn how to do it.

00:39:07.000 My friends John and Jen, they run an outfitter in their outfitters in Alberta, and they're bear hunters.

00:39:13.000 And I've been bear hunting with them.

00:39:15.000 And they take like a roast and they'll cook it on a Traeger, they brine it, they put it in, like they marinate it, and it's fantastic.

00:39:24.000 It's like some of the better than the best roast beef you've ever had.

00:39:28.000 Oh, I know there's a way.

00:39:29.000 There's a way to make it taste good.

00:39:32.000 It's also in what they eat.

00:39:34.000 You know, if you get them and they've been eating like a dead moose and, you know, they've been feasting on that for a couple weeks, and then it's rotten, and they just, they stink, and it's not good.

00:39:43.000 No, they want to get acorn bears.

00:39:45.000 These bears we were killing, the reason they were so big, they were eating corn and soybeans.

00:39:51.000 Yeah, perfect.

00:39:52.000 You know, now they'd eat a pile of deer guts, too.

00:39:54.000 I mean, they eat everything.

00:39:57.000 I would gut a deer out there.

00:39:58.000 You know, if I killed a deer, I gut it in the woods. 0.97

00:40:01.000 I don't gut them back at the house.

00:40:02.000 I just gut them in the woods, and you come back an hour later, and there wouldn't be not a speck of them guts left. 0.93

00:40:09.000 Crazy.

00:40:09.000 I mean, they would eat the fire out of them.

00:40:11.000 Do you know that the early pioneers preferred bear meat and they used deer just for skins?

00:40:17.000 No, I did not know that.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, like Daniel Boone and all those fellows, those guys, they were bear hunters.

00:40:24.000 They wanted the fat.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, they wanted the fat and they ate bear meat because they thought it was closer to beef.

00:40:30.000 Huh.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 Well, it is closer to beef, I would say, than deer.

00:40:34.000 Yeah, I would say so.

00:40:35.000 Especially if it's cooked well, it's delicious.

00:40:38.000 It's just you got to get a bear that's not eating rotten meat and not eating fish and cook it right.

00:40:44.000 But if you cook it right, it's fantastic.

00:40:46.000 It's really good.

00:40:46.000 Bear sausage is fantastic.

00:40:48.000 It's all just in how you get it prepared.

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:51.000 How you do it.

00:40:51.000 Rinnell is really good at it.

00:40:52.000 Well, see, I got to start running in the right circles with people that can cook.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 That's my problem.

00:40:58.000 My friend Jesse, who owns this restaurant out here called Dai Douay, what is Jesse?

00:41:04.000 He runs a school that teaches people how to shoot hogs, how to butcher them, how to cook them. 1.00

00:41:12.000 And, you know, he likes old, ruddy, old hogs, and he really knows how to do it correctly. 1.00

00:41:20.000 So this is it.

00:41:23.000 This is a new school of traditional cookery.

00:41:26.000 So Jesse will take people and he'll take them out there, teach them how to hunt, teach them everything about it, how to stalk an animal, how to dress the game, how to cook it and prepare it, and what the cuts you're looking for.

00:41:43.000 And he teaches classes on this.

00:41:44.000 How cool is that?

00:41:45.000 It's amazing.

00:41:46.000 I mean, it's a small class because he wants to do it correctly, but he's incredible.

00:41:51.000 And that restaurant, if you ever get a chance to go to a Dai Douai in town, it's amazing.

00:41:56.000 I'm going to go ahead and tell you, if you can make an old boar hog taste good, you have gotten to be a master.

00:42:03.000 He's a master.

00:42:04.000 He also cooked diver ducks for us, which everybody says are disgusting.

00:42:09.000 And they were fantastic.

00:42:11.000 And he's like, it's all just in the preparation.

00:42:13.000 He marinated them.

00:42:14.000 He slow-cooked them on a smoker.

00:42:16.000 They were fantastic.

00:42:17.000 All that stuff just takes time.

00:42:20.000 It just takes time.

00:42:20.000 It's so much easier just to cook a ribeye.

00:42:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:25.000 That's the easiest.

00:42:26.000 It's the easiest.

00:42:27.000 Yeah, it's just...

00:42:35.000 It feels different when you eat it.

00:42:37.000 There's more energy to it.

00:42:39.000 It's like it's just so nutrient dense.

00:42:42.000 You eat it and your whole body just goes, whoo!

00:42:45.000 Woo! 0.99

00:42:46.000 You feel it, you know?

00:42:47.000 Like, you cook an elk steak and you eat that medium rare and you're just biting into it and it's juicy.

00:42:54.000 I can't wait, man.

00:42:56.000 I hope I get one.

00:42:57.000 I think I got a good chance of getting one.

00:43:00.000 These boys are serious.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:02.000 Well, with a rifle, your chances are a lot higher.

00:43:04.000 And I know you're a real good shot.

00:43:06.000 So you probably, a guy like you also could shoot accurately at a distance, which is huge.

00:43:13.000 You'll have no idea you're there.

00:43:16.000 I'm sure you can make a 500-yard shot easy.

00:43:18.000 And if your rifle's tuned correctly for something like that, it's like, you got a pretty good shot.

00:43:24.000 Have you been up to the Yukon territory at all?

00:43:26.000 No, no, I haven't.

00:43:27.000 I just got back.

00:43:29.000 What were you doing up there?

00:43:31.000 It's been quite the journey, both on the macro and the micro level to wind up here at this table with you.

00:43:40.000 I spent about the last month sitting with a good friend of mine, one of my biggest mentors in my life.

00:43:48.000 I'd sit with him for hours on end while he was dying.

00:43:54.000 And then I had to leave him and I went out to the Yukon.

00:44:01.000 Sorry, man.

00:44:04.000 We need to talk more about that, by the way.

00:44:08.000 And I've got a teammate that I went through SEAL training and all with.

00:44:12.000 He was paralyzed 14 years ago.

00:44:16.000 And he wanted to go on an adventure.

00:44:21.000 And I said, well, there's a race out there.

00:44:24.000 It's a thousand-mile kayaking race.

00:44:26.000 It's the longest kayaking race in the world on the Yukon River.

00:44:30.000 Totally unsupported.

00:44:33.000 He said, all right.

00:44:34.000 Well, he prepared for about two years.

00:44:37.000 And we went out there and did that on the Yukon River.

00:44:41.000 And then I came home and my buddy died the day I got home.

00:44:46.000 And so it's been a, man, it's been a wild last month or so.

00:44:52.000 Have you ever got to sit with anybody?

00:44:54.000 While they're dying.

00:44:55.000 Important to you?

00:44:56.000 Not while they're dying.

00:44:57.000 I highly recommend it.

00:45:00.000 It will teach you so much, man.

00:45:04.000 About what you're doing.

00:45:04.000 It has made me grow.

00:45:07.000 Like, I don't know, man, it just gives me the daggone chills thinking about it.

00:45:11.000 And the crazy thing is, is the type of person I used to be, I would have thought, you know, going and sitting with someone who's dying is a waste of time.

00:45:22.000 Like, I got other things to do, right?

00:45:24.000 You do, too.

00:45:26.000 We got busy lives.

00:45:29.000 Well, This man, he mentored me hunting and everything, working, all that.

00:45:36.000 His name was Don Tidwell from the time I was about 13 to the time I left to go become a Navy SEAL.

00:45:47.000 Well, I did my whole Navy thing.

00:45:51.000 I got out, I reconnected with Don for a while, but then I started this company now that we have 3 of 7 Project, got busy.

00:45:59.000 I have a curse from my military service.

00:46:04.000 I have this unique ability to be able to forget you ever existed.

00:46:12.000 When I get on some sort of mission and you're not part of that anymore, I can forget you ever existed.

00:46:20.000 And so I lost touch with him because of my own selfishness and been doing this thing for the last four or five years.

00:46:30.000 Well, his wife called me and said, look, he just wants to see you one more time.

00:46:37.000 He's got pancreatic cancer.

00:46:39.000 He's got maybe two weeks left.

00:46:41.000 He just wants to see you one more time.

00:46:46.000 Good night, man.

00:46:49.000 Took a lot of courage for me to go show up in front of him and sit down with him and say, Mr. Don, I'm sorry I haven't been the friend to you that you deserve.

00:47:02.000 Will you forgive me?

00:47:04.000 He's laying there dying.

00:47:05.000 He looks back at me and says, son, there's nothing to forgive.

00:47:12.000 I mean, just like.

00:47:14.000 And then from that point, I'd go sit with him twice a week for eight or nine or ten hours, just sit right there by his bed.

00:47:22.000 I'd read the scriptures to him.

00:47:24.000 He only had a third grade education.

00:47:27.000 We read about the gospel and we read about the resurrection and we read about creation.

00:47:34.000 And, you know, we don't, the first thing that you learn, I think, when you sit with somebody that's dying is that death is the great foe that sits above mankind and scoffs at our wisdom.

00:47:50.000 You get what I'm saying?

00:47:51.000 He said that death is this great foe.

00:47:54.000 It is the enemy that sits above us and mocks the wisdom of man.

00:48:02.000 Mr. Don had built basically an empire within the community he lived in.

00:48:09.000 He had made millions and millions of dollars as an entrepreneur, couldn't read or write.

00:48:16.000 But he still had to succumb to this process that's coming for all of us.

00:48:23.000 Like, I don't know, man, that was like, that just hit me.

00:48:29.000 Like, we think, we want to look up at the sky and we want to explain how the cosmos began and we can't even solve our own biggest problem.

00:48:40.000 We can't solve our own biggest problem.

00:48:45.000 Which is death, right?

00:48:47.000 It's the biggest problem for all of us.

00:48:51.000 We can't figure out how to solve it, how to overcome it.

00:48:55.000 Like, we don't think about this enough.

00:49:00.000 Have you ever thought, why are you dying?

00:49:07.000 Have you ever thought about that?

00:49:08.000 Sure.

00:49:09.000 Like, not, like, I get it.

00:49:11.000 Like, all of us, we understand death as, you know, we go along through this life, and then something happens.

00:49:16.000 We get hit by a car, one of our organs fail, cancer happens, whatever, and we say, that killed us, right?

00:49:22.000 And that thing did kill us, but your entire life is leading you to that point.

00:49:28.000 Like, why do you have to die? 1.00

00:49:32.000 Like, it's by necessity you must die. 0.96

00:49:38.000 Why? 0.99

00:49:39.000 What's killing you?

00:49:42.000 What's killing you?

00:49:44.000 Well, age.

00:49:45.000 Your body stops reproducing correctly.

00:49:47.000 Your cells don't reproduce correctly.

00:49:49.000 So why does that happen?

00:49:50.000 What's causing that?

00:49:52.000 Every animal, almost every animal on this planet has a timeline that it exists in.

00:49:59.000 It's probably a natural function of keeping a balance.

00:50:04.000 Like all of nature has a balance. 0.99

00:50:06.000 And I mean, you can imagine if mosquitoes lived a thousand years, what a fucking pain in the ass that would be. 0.99

00:50:11.000 No, they get a couple, but how long does a mosquito live? 0.99

00:50:14.000 A week?

00:50:15.000 How long does a fly live?

00:50:16.000 A week?

00:50:16.000 Good.

00:50:17.000 Because otherwise we'd be fucked. 0.99

00:50:19.000 You know, a deer, a good deer, a deer that's like the best days of its life. 0.99

00:50:24.000 It's like 13 years, it's done.

00:50:26.000 It's over.

00:50:27.000 It's limping.

00:50:28.000 It's going to get torn apart by coyotes.

00:50:30.000 Whatever gets it.

00:50:31.000 Everything has a time.

00:50:33.000 Because if it didn't, then there'd be too many people.

00:50:36.000 There'd be too many people. 0.98

00:50:38.000 The balance would be all fucked up. 0.98

00:50:39.000 That's a great answer, man. 0.97

00:50:41.000 The thing is, there's a lot of scientists that are working on that.

00:50:44.000 A lot of scientists that I've talked to that are treating aging like a disease.

00:50:49.000 So instead of just accepting the fact like, oh, you're 50 now, things are slowing down.

00:50:53.000 Like, well, why are they slowing down?

00:50:54.000 And what can we do to reverse that?

00:50:55.000 I love thinking along those lines, man.

00:50:58.000 Like, yeah, I love that.

00:51:00.000 At the very least, what it does is improves your performance radically as an older person.

00:51:05.000 Improves your physical performance.

00:51:07.000 What people would be capable of naturally with no supplements 20, 30 years ago.

00:51:12.000 It's a very different world today.

00:51:14.000 Very, very, very different.

00:51:16.000 And with all the different modalities, all the different things you could do, like hyperbaric treatments, NMN, supplementation, red light therapy, cold plunge, sauna, all these different things radically change the composition of your body and your overall metabolic health.

00:51:34.000 Radically changes it.

00:51:35.000 And then with hormone therapy and all the other different things that you can do, I mean, it's just because of science and because of people figuring these things out, it's a radically different world than it was in the past.

00:51:48.000 But is there a solution?

00:51:50.000 Like, is there a fix for death?

00:51:54.000 Like, is anyone searching or even contemplating that?

00:51:57.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:58.000 David Sinclair is all over that.

00:52:00.000 He's a guy from Harvard that we've had on the podcast a few times.

00:52:04.000 That's his primary study.

00:52:06.000 They're treating aging as a disease and trying to figure out what different types of medication, what different types of therapies, what's the root cause of the cells aging and not reproducing correctly.

00:52:19.000 It's an ugly thing, man.

00:52:21.000 Oh, it gets rough.

00:52:22.000 Especially if you don't take care of yourself.

00:52:25.000 That's the rough one.

00:52:26.000 When you see people that have been drinking their whole life and then they quit at 75 and you're like, it's a little late.

00:52:33.000 You've been torturing your body, forcing your body to process poison for decades.

00:52:41.000 And also just living in cities alone.

00:52:43.000 You were talking about that smell, that weird smell that you get in cities. 0.97

00:52:48.000 That's fucking brake dust and tires and exhaust fumes. 0.97

00:52:52.000 And doo-doo. 1.00

00:52:53.000 And doo doo. 0.99

00:52:53.000 It's a little bit of doo-doo. 0.99

00:52:54.000 Not bad here.

00:52:56.000 Go to San Francisco.

00:52:57.000 I found a turd on the side of the trail today, a human turd.

00:53:00.000 It was a terrible log, too, man.

00:53:03.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 My wife went back and took a video of it.

00:53:07.000 You might see it on YouTube in the next couple of days.

00:53:10.000 Okay.

00:53:11.000 Your visit to Austin.

00:53:13.000 But yeah, man, just sitting with him makes me contemplate these things.

00:53:18.000 And for me, obviously, because of my worldview being shaped by Scripture, it makes me go to Scripture and bounce these questions off of the scriptures, you know.

00:53:30.000 And even I think it was powerful too because, you know, I'm sitting with a man who's important to me, who is bearing this burden of death.

00:53:44.000 And by the way, he bore it well.

00:53:46.000 It was amazing to me that I could go and sit with him and he would talk to me and take time to spend with me even in the midst of this terrible process that he was going through.

00:53:58.000 I told him, I said, you could have just laid there on this bed and not said a word to anybody and nobody would have blamed you.

00:54:04.000 You know, it's scary.

00:54:06.000 He couldn't sit still, you know, because he was in so much pain.

00:54:12.000 Daggone, cancer is rough, man.

00:54:13.000 Pancreatic is about.

00:54:15.000 Yeah, it's rough.

00:54:16.000 But then, you know, he had these same questions that I'm thinking, like, why does this have to happen?

00:54:23.000 You know, and then for me then to have to go and search the scriptures and then come to him with the scriptures and share the scriptures with him to, you know, give him some of the answers that he had.

00:54:39.000 You know, it's like I would read a scripture to him and he would say, because again, Mr. Don had a strong faith in the message of what we call the gospel, but he didn't know all the other stuff because he couldn't read.

00:55:00.000 So I would read a scripture to him and then he would say, read another one.

00:55:05.000 Read another one.

00:55:07.000 And it was the wildest thing, dude.

00:55:11.000 I've never seen anything like it before.

00:55:13.000 I've been following the Lord Jesus for 13 years now.

00:55:19.000 I was reading these words off of the page, not even explaining them to him.

00:55:25.000 I was just reading him these scriptures.

00:55:27.000 And they were manifesting like power in him.

00:55:32.000 Like you could see, you witnessed a change in his expression and his attitude.

00:55:39.000 It was like these words I'm reading are manifesting power and hope and like literal energy.

00:55:52.000 Like I would come over and read the scriptures to him and he would been in bed for the last four days, wouldn't get up for anybody.

00:55:58.000 I'd read the scriptures to him and then next thing you know, we'd be out on the porch.

00:56:03.000 Like he'd get out of bed and we'd go walk out on the porch.

00:56:06.000 I'd have to help him walk, right?

00:56:07.000 And his wife kept saying, you're the best thing for him right now.

00:56:10.000 I'm like, no, you don't understand.

00:56:12.000 It's not my presence for somehow I'm reading him from these scriptures and it's like manifesting some sort of power and hope in him.

00:56:21.000 And it like would give him energy in some way.

00:56:25.000 And I can't explain, I've never seen it happen like I've never witnessed that before, you know?

00:56:32.000 Well, it's probably even more profound because he can't read, so you're reading it to him.

00:56:36.000 Dude.

00:56:37.000 Right?

00:56:38.000 Dude, it was wild, man.

00:56:41.000 And I would read these scriptures to him, Joe, and he would say, yeah, I understand that now.

00:56:49.000 And like, we're reading complex things.

00:56:50.000 Like, we're reading about the resurrection, like the bodily resurrection of all the saints at the second coming of Christ.

00:56:58.000 And, you know, he asked me one of the questions he asked me, has anybody ever really explained to you what happens when we leave here?

00:57:06.000 You know, because he's wondering these things.

00:57:08.000 Like, I'm about to depart this tent, buddy.

00:57:13.000 What's about to happen?

00:57:14.000 And I'm like, well, the only answer I can give you, Mr. Dunn, has got to come from these scriptures.

00:57:20.000 And I would read these complex scriptures to him, 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and 2 Corinthians chapter 5.

00:57:28.000 And he would under, like it would make sense to him in his mind more than my mind could comprehend the truth of what I was reading.

00:57:38.000 Like that was what was wild.

00:57:44.000 This veil between this realm and the next realm was getting thin.

00:57:50.000 And he was taking in the truth of this word and processing it logically at a level that I can't process it because this veil for us is still so thin unless you hit that DMT, right?

00:58:08.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:58:11.000 But right?

00:58:12.000 And so I'm witnessing, it was wild, dude.

00:58:14.000 And two, like crazy things happened.

00:58:17.000 Like when I'd sit with him, like every couple hours, I'd get up and go check in with his wife or something.

00:58:25.000 And we had a camera in the room with him.

00:58:28.000 And we could watch what he was doing.

00:58:30.000 And when I would walk out of the room, you give it a few minutes and you would see him start to look above him.

00:58:36.000 And he would be reaching like this for stuff above him.

00:58:43.000 And like, we didn't know what he was doing.

00:58:46.000 We never even asked him.

00:58:48.000 I wish I would have asked him, like, Mr. Don, what are you seeing?

00:58:51.000 Like, what are you reaching for?

00:58:53.000 Well, then back when I would come back in the room with him, he would stop doing it.

00:58:59.000 And then toward the end there, he had a stroke.

00:59:03.000 He was paralyzed.

00:59:04.000 His whole left side of his body was paralyzed.

00:59:06.000 And so he was just, you know, he couldn't sit up or do anything.

00:59:12.000 And then finally, at the very end, when he passed away, he literally sits up out of, he sits up erect out of his hospital bed, reaches both of his hands straight up like this, and then lays back down and departs the tent.

00:59:37.000 Whoa.

00:59:39.000 So I started researching this. 0.99

00:59:42.000 What the crap is going on? 0.99

00:59:44.000 I wish you asked him what he was reaching for. 1.00

00:59:46.000 You watch, there are, I found this hospice nurse on Instagram.

00:59:53.000 I don't remember her name.

00:59:54.000 But she's like posting all these videos of people doing this exact thing.

01:00:01.000 And they're reaching for stuff, and she's a hospice nurse.

01:00:04.000 Did you save it?

01:00:05.000 Do you have it on your phone?

01:00:07.000 I don't have it.

01:00:08.000 I don't remember.

01:00:10.000 She's got a lot of following.

01:00:12.000 She's got a big following.

01:00:13.000 Just look at it.

01:00:15.000 Hospice nurse on Instagram or whatever.

01:00:17.000 But she posts all these videos of these people.

01:00:20.000 Is this her?

01:00:21.000 Oh, they're reaching.

01:00:22.000 They're like calling out.

01:00:24.000 I don't know if that's not her, but this is another one.

01:00:27.000 That's not the one I watch.

01:00:30.000 Call it a death reach.

01:00:31.000 It's a very common thing.

01:00:33.000 And they're calling out a lot of times the names of loved ones that have passed before them.

01:00:39.000 They're seeing something.

01:00:41.000 Like they're seeing into the other realm.

01:00:45.000 Oh, it's that lady on the far right over there. 1.00

01:00:48.000 That's the one I watch.

01:00:48.000 She's a little crazy, but I'm going to go ahead and tell you.

01:00:51.000 She puts out some wild stuff, man. 0.76

01:00:54.000 This is common stuff, man.

01:00:56.000 What's her name?

01:00:56.000 What's her name, Jamie?

01:00:58.000 It says below.

01:00:59.000 Hospice Nurse Penny.

01:01:01.000 Weeks before their death, when they're able to tell us what they're seeing.

01:01:05.000 When they're able to tell us about these visions, they're almost always above them or up in the corner of the room.

01:01:11.000 But sometimes as they get closer to the end of life and they're no longer able to communicate, we start seeing them reach into the air.

01:01:19.000 So I'm convinced that when they are reaching into the air, they are reaching towards those people who they love, who have died before them.

01:01:29.000 This woman's not a believer, as far as I know.

01:01:33.000 I don't think, I don't know what her, you know, how her worldview is in terms of what happens after this, but she's just sitting here showing you saying, hey, this happens.

01:01:44.000 We can't figure out why.

01:01:47.000 We can't figure out what's going on.

01:01:49.000 Obviously, for me, when I see that happening, when Mr. Don sits up in the bed, even though he's literally paralyzed by a stroke, he sits, it's an impossibility.

01:02:03.000 He sits up in his bed and reaches both hands in the air and then lays down and departs the tent.

01:02:11.000 What do I, I have to believe that like his transportation had arrived.

01:02:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:21.000 And to witness that, how does that not like strengthen your, you're, you're witnessing something that's tangible.

01:02:30.000 It's like, how does that not strengthen at least your faith that there is something coming after this?

01:02:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:42.000 There's so many stories.

01:02:43.000 And the thing is, people have this arrogant assumption, and this is a lot of based on academics and science and this belief that we have all the answers to reality when we don't even really understand consciousness.

01:02:58.000 We don't.

01:02:59.000 Consciousness is a massive mystery.

01:03:02.000 So this idea that we've got it solved, and when I hear people say, when you die, that's it.

01:03:09.000 It's over.

01:03:10.000 Like, how do you know?

01:03:10.000 You're just saying this.

01:03:12.000 You're just saying this.

01:03:13.000 That is as much of a belief system as any religion.

01:03:18.000 This belief in something that you have no evidence of whatsoever.

01:03:21.000 But there's so many anecdotal stories of people with near-death experiences, including Sebastian Younger.

01:03:28.000 Do you know who he is?

01:03:29.000 I've heard the name.

01:03:30.000 Brilliant journalist.

01:03:32.000 He's a great author.

01:03:34.000 He's written some incredible books.

01:03:36.000 He did Ristrepo, right?

01:03:38.000 A documentary about the war.

01:03:41.000 And just an amazing, interesting, very, very intelligent guy.

01:03:46.000 And the last time he was on the podcast, he was telling us a story about he had a medical emergency, some sort of, it was like an artery burst, right, Jamie?

01:03:56.000 Something inside of his abdomen, and he was bleeding out on the inside, and he was dying.

01:04:02.000 And he got to the hospital and had this near-death experience, that like very, very vivid experience, interacting with his father, like just beyond anything that he would have ever comprehended, and came back with a completely different perspective on life and death and like what this is and where that there is something else.

01:04:24.000 There's something out there. 0.94

01:04:25.000 And people that have had near-death experiences or died and been resuscitated, they come back with the same fucking story over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. 0.95

01:04:40.000 There's different interpretations of what they're seeing, but it all fits within the same framework. 0.88

01:04:45.000 It all fits within a framework that this is, there's something there.

01:04:48.000 Did you see the video of this kid a couple weeks ago?

01:04:50.000 No.

01:04:51.000 He's having a wild experience where he sees Jesus.

01:04:53.000 He sees his dead father.

01:04:55.000 Comes home.

01:04:55.000 He says it's beautiful.

01:04:56.000 Why is this kid?

01:04:57.000 I missed my mom on my haircase.

01:05:00.000 I think he was sick and he's coming out of surgery.

01:05:03.000 I don't know the exact story on what was happening to him.

01:05:06.000 Jesus.

01:05:09.000 This video goes on long.

01:05:11.000 Ten-minute video, but.

01:05:12.000 Whoa.

01:05:16.000 He's in a dream.

01:05:18.000 He's dreaming.

01:05:20.000 Yeah, he's dreaming.

01:05:21.000 He's seeing into a different, he's seeing into the next realm.

01:05:25.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 Yeah.

01:05:28.000 That's crazy.

01:05:29.000 You could dismiss that.

01:05:30.000 You could dismiss that if you wanted to.

01:05:32.000 Yeah, you can, man.

01:05:33.000 But look, man.

01:05:36.000 And I don't even need all these signs and wonders.

01:05:39.000 Like, I don't even need all that, man.

01:05:41.000 I mean, it's great when you get the opportunity to witness things like I got to witness with my friend, Mr. Dawn, and just see his faith and see that the word manifest power in him.

01:05:52.000 Like, it's great when you get to see it, but you can get too carried away with all that stuff, too.

01:05:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:58.000 It's like, I don't know, man.

01:06:01.000 You know, I'm wondering, Joe, if the Almighty ain't calling you.

01:06:05.000 Calling me how?

01:06:06.000 On the phone?

01:06:07.000 Calling you, man?

01:06:08.000 What do you mean?

01:06:09.000 In what way?

01:06:10.000 I'm just wondering.

01:06:12.000 I think a lot of people are wondering what the Almighty is doing, what he's working in you.

01:06:24.000 See, Scripture is dripping with something that's called election.

01:06:36.000 A lot of people get mad about me talking about this, but this truth that we will never choose God, the Almighty.

01:06:51.000 We will never choose to believe.

01:06:54.000 As a matter of fact, scripture actually says over and over again, the whole message of the cross is foolishness. 0.97

01:07:01.000 It's foolishness.

01:07:02.000 I mean, seriously? 0.96

01:07:05.000 Some dude died on a cross.

01:07:07.000 What does that represent to man?

01:07:09.000 That represents weakness.

01:07:10.000 That represents defeat.

01:07:13.000 That represents death.

01:07:15.000 You're gone. 1.00

01:07:16.000 The message of the cross is foolishness to man.

01:07:23.000 We will never choose to believe in the message of what we call the gospel.

01:07:32.000 That is that Jesus Christ died on the cross according to the scriptures.

01:07:37.000 He was buried and that he rose again by his own power according to the scriptures. 0.98

01:07:43.000 That's foolishness.

01:07:46.000 And the only way that we can or will ever believe that, like truly place our faith in that and everything that's contained in that statement right there, because there's a lot there, you could literally spend the rest of your life meditating on that right there, the gospel, the what was done on the cross and by way of the resurrection of Christ.

01:08:11.000 You would never get to the end of it.

01:08:12.000 You would never comprehend everything.

01:08:14.000 You would never search it to its bottom.

01:08:19.000 You will never believe that.

01:08:20.000 And the only way that you can believe that is if the Almighty, in His grace, basically makes you alive spiritually.

01:08:33.000 Because these things are spiritually discerned.

01:08:37.000 They're not logically discerned. 0.94

01:08:39.000 They're foolishness to man.

01:08:41.000 These things must be spiritually appraised.

01:08:45.000 And so the Almighty, by his grace, makes you alive, literally spiritually alive, so that then you can discern the truth of not only the gospel, but everything, the totality of what is contained in Scripture.

01:09:07.000 It's called the doctrine of election.

01:09:11.000 And so when I say, I wonder if the Almighty's calling you, what I mean is I wonder if you are one of the Almighty's elect.

01:09:20.000 Oh, boy.

01:09:23.000 That's a lot.

01:09:24.000 And if you are, you better hold on to your britches, son.

01:09:31.000 I oftentimes wonder what's going on and why me.

01:09:34.000 Yeah.

01:09:35.000 You must, man.

01:09:36.000 You must.

01:09:37.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:09:38.000 You must.

01:09:39.000 And I hate, you know, that's a personal thing, man.

01:09:42.000 And I hope you don't take that as any disrespect.

01:09:45.000 No, I don't.

01:09:46.000 It's just for me seeing it's odd how much we have in common, seeing what a special human being you are.

01:09:59.000 Like, it's exciting for me to be able to hope that the Almighty is indeed calling you.

01:10:10.000 Like, that's exciting, dude.

01:10:12.000 Like, literally, I prayed for you last night.

01:10:16.000 Like, I literally, on your behalf, I begged the Almighty to basically make you alive spiritually so that you could have discernment and be able to appraise these things that are in scripture that have seemed like foolishness for so long to you.

01:10:37.000 You know what?

01:10:37.000 They seem like foolishness to me for a long, long time, dude.

01:10:42.000 What changed?

01:10:45.000 We're talking about a bunch of wild stuff, man.

01:10:47.000 Can I take you back while we're in the middle of this?

01:10:49.000 I'd like to take you back to how you got on this journey of being a podcaster and then to that.

01:10:55.000 Because I want to know, like, what is the transition from the seals to becoming this guy who's very outspoken on YouTube and starts putting these videos out and things get interesting?

01:11:07.000 And then you very, very religious and spreading that in your YouTube as well.

01:11:13.000 Like, how did this whole journey get started for you?

01:11:17.000 Well, I decided I wanted to become a SEAL because I wasn't really good at anything else in life and I, you know, didn't want to go back to school and all that stuff.

01:11:28.000 That's a whole long story, but I decided I wanted to do that.

01:11:32.000 I finally, I went to join the Navy.

01:11:35.000 They disqualified me, sent me back home after boot camp, wouldn't let me go to Buds, told me I never would be able to become a SEAL because I had a pericardial cyst on my heart, seven centimeter cyst on my heart.

01:11:47.000 You can look it up, Research Navy SEAL Paracardial Cyst.

01:11:50.000 You can read the whole medical journal.

01:11:51.000 I'm the only one.

01:11:53.000 Came back home, paid for my own heart surgery as a civilian, showed back up in the Navy less than a year later, made it all the way through SEAL training unscathed.

01:12:04.000 So what did they have to do?

01:12:04.000 They have to remove the cyst?

01:12:06.000 Yeah, they had to cut my chest open and take a big old cyst off. 0.89

01:12:09.000 How big is the, did they have to open your ribs the whole deal?

01:12:12.000 Right from here to here.

01:12:13.000 Oh, so they go through the cells?

01:12:14.000 Yeah, they peeled my pec up, peeled it up, cut me open right there, went in there and took that cyst off. 0.93

01:12:19.000 How long did it take to recover from that?

01:12:21.000 Took me about a year.

01:12:22.000 I was back in the Navy about a year after that surgery.

01:12:25.000 You know, but if it wouldn't have been for that, I wouldn't have made it through SEAL training, man.

01:12:29.000 I didn't even know how to swim, dude.

01:12:32.000 I didn't even know how to swim.

01:12:33.000 That's crazy.

01:12:34.000 I was the most unlikely person to ever make it through SEAL training, okay?

01:12:40.000 Hands down.

01:12:41.000 Did you have any background in physical fitness?

01:12:43.000 No.

01:12:44.000 Nothing?

01:12:45.000 Lord, no, I didn't.

01:12:47.000 It took me two or three months to pass a mile and a half run.

01:12:51.000 Wow.

01:12:52.000 Yeah.

01:12:52.000 Made it through SEAL training, all this and that good stuff.

01:12:56.000 I had a very colorful career.

01:12:59.000 Started off real good.

01:13:00.000 Got real bad.

01:13:02.000 I mean, I've been through it all.

01:13:03.000 I've been in SEAL training at the end of our Bud's prep phase.

01:13:07.000 You know, I was awarded the Hard Charger Award.

01:13:10.000 You know, everybody selected me.

01:13:12.000 The instructor Cadre said, you're the one that's going to make it.

01:13:15.000 I was actually the only one to ever receive that award to make it through that training pipeline.

01:13:20.000 Everyone else they had selected up until that point all quit.

01:13:23.000 But they selected me not based on my physical abilities, but based on the fact that I had had a dang heart surgery just to have a chance to toe the line to try something that everybody quits anyways.

01:13:38.000 So did you train for the SEAL training?

01:13:40.000 Did you give yourself enough time to get physically fit?

01:13:43.000 After that heart surgery, when I went in the first time, I could barely pass the physical standards test that I needed to pass to get the SEAL contract.

01:13:50.000 If I would have went straight through and wouldn't have had that heart surgery, there's no way I would have made it.

01:13:55.000 I wouldn't have been able to meet the physical standards once I actually got to Buds.

01:13:58.000 There's no way.

01:13:59.000 But when I had that heart surgery, and then I finally got to where I could, you know, okay, man, at that point, I wanted it so bad because I had to go through all that.

01:14:12.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:14:13.000 I didn't want it that bad until I had to go through all that pain and fear and have my chest cut open and all this crap. 0.78

01:14:21.000 But man, when I came out the other end of that, like I said, man, I was like a game rooster, man.

01:14:26.000 It was like you look into the eye of a game rooster and he's got one burning hot desire.

01:14:32.000 It's to fight.

01:14:34.000 I mean, you a man appreciates combat sports.

01:14:36.000 You ought to go watch a cockfight one day.

01:14:39.000 I mean, just, that's what I had.

01:14:40.000 I just had this burning hot desire for this thing.

01:14:46.000 Nothing was going to stop me.

01:14:49.000 Made it all the way through.

01:14:51.000 Man, I had a lot of ups and downs in my time in the teams.

01:14:56.000 That's a whole, that's a three-hour long story.

01:14:59.000 But basically.

01:15:00.000 We got plenty of time.

01:15:01.000 Basically, man, I got to my SEAL team and they had slaughtered our entire team to cover down on Africa and a couple other European countries.

01:15:18.000 And I got so pissed because I'm like, there's a war happening.

01:15:25.000 Like, that's the reason I joined.

01:15:27.000 Like, everybody that joined wants to go and fight in this war.

01:15:32.000 And here now I'm wind up at this place that's, you know, not going to go where everybody wants to go.

01:15:39.000 I got so hateful.

01:15:42.000 And through the course of a couple of years, I just got involved in all manner of what I would call sin.

01:15:53.000 All manner.

01:15:54.000 Drunkenness, sleeping around with women, hurting people on purpose. 1.00

01:16:01.000 Hateful, terrible person. 0.99

01:16:03.000 I didn't love anybody.

01:16:05.000 And the whole downfall of it is I was overseas, and we had a range day.

01:16:18.000 The night before, I had went out and just burned it down, son.

01:16:24.000 I had no business going to the range that day.

01:16:27.000 I'm going to go ahead and tell you.

01:16:29.000 But what do you do?

01:16:30.000 You get up and go to the range, right?

01:16:32.000 I'm sitting over here on the range, messing with my gun, pretty out of it.

01:16:38.000 And I have a negligent discharge.

01:16:41.000 And the guy that's standing beside me is my gunner's mate.

01:16:44.000 And it barely skims him in the side of his leg.

01:16:48.000 It was pointed down, thank God, pointed down.

01:16:52.000 That happened.

01:16:54.000 And that was the thing that like stopped me in my tracks. 0.99

01:16:59.000 Like, holy crap, Chad, if you keep going the way that you're going, you're going to kill somebody. 0.99

01:17:07.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:17:07.000 I mean, I was involved in all manner of sin, buddy. 1.00

01:17:11.000 Stop me right there.

01:17:12.000 I had to go through a Trident Review Board, a disciplinary review board, a captain's mask, the whole nine yards.

01:17:19.000 Luckily, I had a good enough reputation up to that point that I had guys that vouched for me.

01:17:27.000 Specifically my sea daddy, Jake Hubman.

01:17:30.000 He wrote a whole long thing.

01:17:33.000 Chad's done well.

01:17:36.000 This and that.

01:17:37.000 And they presented that.

01:17:38.000 And the Navy let me stay in, keep my trident. 0.98

01:17:41.000 Well, went back home, moved in with some lesbians. 1.00

01:17:45.000 Still continuing on this path or this just trajectory of just ugliness, just hatefulness, you know what I mean?

01:17:53.000 But I had kind of started hiding it a little more, you know, while I was at work.

01:17:58.000 I was like, okay, if I'm going to have to go to work, I'm going to have to Square myself away a little bit.

01:18:05.000 You know, tell you how hateful I was.

01:18:06.000 This man, Jake Hubman, my sea daddy, he started struggling with alcoholism shortly after I had that big mistake.

01:18:18.000 Well, I got back in the platoon and they told us, they said, well, you know, Jake's struggling with alcoholism.

01:18:25.000 We're sending him off to this rehab program.

01:18:28.000 They said, just leave him alone.

01:18:32.000 Well, remember I told you I can forget people exist.

01:18:35.000 I just forgot he existed.

01:18:37.000 A couple months later, he killed himself.

01:18:40.000 That's what kind of friend I was.

01:18:42.000 That's what kind of person I was.

01:18:44.000 Here's this guy who, that's the kind of person that I still am sometimes today.

01:18:51.000 There's literally nothing good in me.

01:18:53.000 I'm convinced of that.

01:18:54.000 Here's this man who had poured so much into me, literally trained me up, taught me the ways of war.

01:19:00.000 It's on account of his mentorship probably that I was able to stay alive throughout the course of my career.

01:19:05.000 And I just turned my back on him when he was going through the hardest time of his life.

01:19:11.000 He kills himself.

01:19:14.000 I don't ever get to make that up.

01:19:16.000 I just ignored him.

01:19:20.000 That's the kind of, does this describe to you the type of person that I was?

01:19:24.000 Yeah, that's pretty bad, ain't it, brother?

01:19:26.000 I mean, that's pretty bad.

01:19:28.000 That's pretty much it.

01:19:28.000 Understandably selfish given the circumstances.

01:19:32.000 So I get back in the platoon, get ready, deploy again.

01:19:38.000 I'm keeping my wickedness under control, you know, outwardly, but it's still all there, man.

01:19:47.000 Well, we go up to Tunisia, North Africa.

01:19:50.000 The Arabs attacked the embassy up there when all that Benghazi and that stuff went down. 0.99

01:19:56.000 That happened all over North Africa.

01:19:58.000 So we went up there, re-secured the embassy.

01:20:01.000 We came back, we left there and came back to Germany to rejock our equipment because that mission was over in Tunisia.

01:20:12.000 Came back to Germany to rejock and then we were going out to Nigeria.

01:20:16.000 And while we were in Germany, the only way for me to tell you this in just simple terms is we were staying in a barracks that was inhabited by some sort of demon.

01:20:34.000 And that was the genesis of my conversion, of me being made aware that, okay.

01:20:44.000 So when you say it's inhabited by a demon, like in what way?

01:20:47.000 So I was in there with a couple of other guys.

01:20:49.000 I wish I would have wrote all this down.

01:20:53.000 I was laying in bed one night in this place.

01:20:58.000 There was nobody else in this building.

01:20:59.000 It was just me and a couple.

01:21:01.000 There were me and a guy in one room and two other guys in a room across the hall there.

01:21:06.000 Okay.

01:21:08.000 Well, I'm laying in bed and all of a sudden I'm jolted awake by something that hits my door.

01:21:16.000 And I lay in bed for maybe 30 seconds and while I'm laying there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing up and down the hall of this building that we're in.

01:21:31.000 And so immediately I get up, open the door, walk out.

01:21:36.000 Nobody's out there.

01:21:37.000 Walk around.

01:21:38.000 Nobody's in the building.

01:21:39.000 Go in my buddy's room beside me.

01:21:41.000 They're both passed out.

01:21:43.000 But it scared me, dude.

01:21:45.000 I was like, what on earth is this?

01:21:48.000 It scared me.

01:21:50.000 And these things, these things would, like the oven would be turned on, like these bumps and noises.

01:22:04.000 But more than all of that, there became this oppressive feeling of like evil in this place.

01:22:16.000 And the guys that I were with, that I was with in there, they started getting freaked out about it too.

01:22:24.000 We called our senior chief, who had been staying there before us.

01:22:28.000 It was just like an old empty place that guys would come and stay in for a few nights before they left out.

01:22:32.000 We called our senior chief.

01:22:33.000 We're like, hey man, did you have any strange experiences in this place?

01:22:38.000 He was like, oh yeah.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, there's something in there.

01:22:43.000 And so, but like I remember walking into this place and there was a stairwell.

01:22:48.000 I would walk up the first flight of stairs and then there would be a second flight that cut back and there was like a landing up there because we were staying on the second deck.

01:22:56.000 And like I would, you know as a hunter, like how you have that sense when something is like staring at you.

01:23:06.000 Like you would, I would feel this thing staring at me up there on that landing and I would fully expect to turn around and see some sort of something up there.

01:23:17.000 And I never saw it in physical form.

01:23:20.000 We started doing this research online about, you know, looking at these forms and stuff about this place that we were, you know, in and finding all kinds of other stuff about it.

01:23:30.000 I'm like, well, whatever is going on here, I can't sleep at night.

01:23:36.000 Like, I don't want to be in that place because it's literally scaring me that bad.

01:23:44.000 And the sanity check was the dudes I was with were getting freaked out too.

01:23:52.000 And like, I wish I would have talked to them and written down the things that they were specifically experiencing.

01:23:59.000 Do you remember any of them?

01:24:00.000 So that I would, it's been so long ago, man.

01:24:02.000 Like the experience that I had was so powerful.

01:24:05.000 Like that just is the one thing that sticks in my mind.

01:24:09.000 But I remember the two guys across the hallway, one of them had to leave.

01:24:14.000 They were going out to a different site.

01:24:15.000 And that dude, the other dude was left in that room by himself.

01:24:18.000 He moved across the hallway to stay in the room that me and my guy were with because he didn't want to stay in that room by himself.

01:24:27.000 Jesus.

01:24:27.000 And so I was literally at my wit's end with this.

01:24:34.000 Like I was so, like, I couldn't sleep at night.

01:24:36.000 How long did you stay there for?

01:24:37.000 This would have probably went on for about a week.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, this probably would have went on for about a week.

01:24:43.000 We were there for maybe two weeks.

01:24:46.000 And so I called my little brother at my wit's end because, again, I just told you the type of person that I was.

01:24:54.000 I had no, you know, interest in spiritual matters.

01:24:59.000 I didn't believe in demons or spiritual warfare or God or any of that, right?

01:25:06.000 But I'm like, here and now I have encountered something that seems very real to me.

01:25:12.000 And it's not in this realm.

01:25:15.000 Here's some sort of entity that I don't know how to combat.

01:25:19.000 I called my little brother because I knew my little brother was a Christian.

01:25:24.000 And I said, well, here's one of these Christians.

01:25:27.000 They'll have maybe a little bit of insight on this spiritual stuff that might be going on here.

01:25:33.000 He said, well, man, I said, I ain't never ran into nothing like that.

01:25:36.000 He said, I'm going to put you in touch with my pastor of my local church here.

01:25:40.000 They were real close.

01:25:43.000 His name's James Cordell.

01:25:44.000 James called me the next day, and I told him all was going on.

01:25:50.000 Well, he acted like it wasn't no big deal.

01:25:53.000 I said, no, buddy.

01:25:54.000 I said, you don't understand.

01:25:55.000 I said, there's something in here.

01:25:57.000 I don't know what it is.

01:25:59.000 He said, ain't no big deal.

01:26:00.000 He said, put me on speakerphone.

01:26:03.000 He said, I'm going to walk around.

01:26:05.000 He said, walk around this building up and down the hallways.

01:26:09.000 And he said, I'm going to pray.

01:26:12.000 And I put him on speakerphone.

01:26:14.000 I'm walking around this building, up and down the hallways in my room.

01:26:18.000 He's praying against this thing in the name of Jesus Christ.

01:26:25.000 He says, all right, now, we had a little kitchenette there.

01:26:28.000 He said, you have some olive oil in there?

01:26:30.000 I said, yeah, we got a bottle.

01:26:31.000 He said, take just a little dab of that olive oil and just dab it on the top of your doorframe there.

01:26:38.000 So I did it. 1.00

01:26:40.000 Joe, I'm thinking the whole time, this is so stupid. 1.00

01:26:43.000 But what else do I do in this situation? 1.00

01:26:45.000 Let's try this, right?

01:26:47.000 Let's give this a shot.

01:26:48.000 And I dab that little olive oil up there.

01:26:52.000 And we get off the phone.

01:26:57.000 I leave, go to work.

01:26:59.000 We come back that evening, wind down.

01:27:03.000 Total peace had returned to this place.

01:27:06.000 Like I no longer heard or felt or was experiencing any sort of fear or anything.

01:27:17.000 Like it all was gone.

01:27:19.000 Like all of a sudden it was just like, oh, okay, now I'm just in another little barracks room here.

01:27:27.000 Did the other guys feel the same way?

01:27:29.000 So this is what's funny.

01:27:31.000 I didn't tell the other guys that I did that.

01:27:34.000 And because they were all gone when I walked around with this crazy man on the speakerphone. 0.63

01:27:41.000 It's embarrassing.

01:27:43.000 I mean, in a certain sense, it's still embarrassing to tell that story today. 0.98

01:27:47.000 Again, this is foolishness, man.

01:27:49.000 Like, you're asking me to tell this story on this platform? 0.96

01:27:52.000 Like, this, it's hard, you know what I mean?

01:27:54.000 Because who's going to believe this?

01:27:56.000 Like, but I don't care.

01:27:58.000 I'm just telling you, like, what I remember that experience as, and it impacted me so much that it changed the trajectory of my entire life.

01:28:08.000 And the next morning we woke up, and my buddy woke up in the room.

01:28:13.000 He said, what's all over the door?

01:28:16.000 And I looked up and that little dab of olive oil had somehow like dripped down and covered the entire door of the room that we were staying in.

01:28:29.000 And you could see it toward the bottom of the door, like the drips, like the whole door was like shiny.

01:28:36.000 And he said, what's all over the door?

01:28:40.000 And I said, don't worry about it, man. 0.99

01:28:42.000 I don't know what the crap that is. 0.98

01:28:45.000 I was so embarrassed to tell him that I had done that. 0.99

01:28:48.000 But it was just a dab of all of it.

01:28:49.000 It was just literally a dab of all of, I don't even know where that fits into the whole experience.

01:28:56.000 I don't even know where or how that fits in.

01:28:59.000 I don't even know what this thing was or why this thing would have been attached to a place.

01:29:08.000 I don't understand that, man.

01:29:11.000 And again, I'm not big on this whole spiritual warfare thing.

01:29:18.000 But after that happened, all that happened, no more nothing in this place, I said, I have got to get my hands on scripture and figure out more about this figure, Jesus, who I heard this man praying in the name of, right?

01:29:42.000 Because obviously there was some power being wielded there by the name of Jesus in prayer.

01:29:51.000 And so I did.

01:29:53.000 I got my hands on a Bible.

01:29:55.000 I started reading in the book of Matthew.

01:29:57.000 I began, again, through this, this was obviously the experience that the Almighty had chosen to call me out of darkness into the marvelous light of his truth.

01:30:10.000 Open the Bible.

01:30:11.000 I had seen the Bible before.

01:30:13.000 I had heard it read.

01:30:15.000 I had even read it before in the past, but it was never anything that meant anything.

01:30:22.000 I couldn't understand it.

01:30:23.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:30:24.000 Like, what the crap is this trying to say to me here? 0.98

01:30:29.000 I began to read in the book of Matthew, and I began to, well, for the first time in my life, I realized how all of that applied to me as the hopeless, wicked, ugly, depraved human being that I like my mind was awakened to my own state. 0.99

01:30:56.000 I didn't realize how ugly and depraved I was.

01:31:00.000 Like when I passed up on my friend and he killed himself, like I didn't think nothing of that.

01:31:05.000 I just had this revelation of who I was and why I so needed something to save me from that.

01:31:24.000 And when I had that revelation, literally by the grace of God opening my, making me spiritually alive, able to discern the scriptures, when I had that revelation, I read about Jesus, his life, his death, why he died according to the scriptures, his resurrection, what that means for me.

01:31:54.000 I, it changed everything.

01:31:58.000 Like literally, I was made a new creature overnight.

01:32:04.000 It's the greatest miracle that God the Almighty could ever work is taking somebody like me who was literally so useless, making me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking up the next day and being

01:32:28.000 completely changed in how I see the world, how I see myself, how I see the words on these pages, how I see the creator of the cosmos.

01:32:40.000 That's a miracle.

01:32:46.000 Like nothing else that I have experienced in life produced that amount of change nearly instantaneously.

01:32:56.000 And I'll never forget walking down into the little platoon hut like the next day after having this revelation of the gospel and what it means for me and who I am.

01:33:10.000 And like, dude, I didn't.

01:33:15.000 It's crazy, man.

01:33:17.000 It literally changed my desires.

01:33:21.000 Like that, that's the miracle, right?

01:33:23.000 Like how do you change your desire?

01:33:24.000 How do you internally change your desires?

01:33:31.000 Like I didn't, I had no appetite for pornography anymore.

01:33:36.000 I had no appetite for the foul language that I used.

01:33:42.000 Like I had no appetite for gossip.

01:33:45.000 Like overnight, literally overnight.

01:33:49.000 Like my literal desires were changed.

01:33:54.000 And that was the, ultimately, more so than the whole thing that was going on in the barracks and the guy saying the prayer and this thing leaving.

01:34:07.000 Like that experience of being made a new creature and the realization of what on earth just has happened to me.

01:34:17.000 That was the thing and is the thing that I cling to so tightly.

01:34:25.000 Like nothing else could have produced that type of change in me but the grace of God and the revelation that he's given me of who I am and who he is.

01:34:42.000 And then, as you go, this has been from then to now just a long and arduous, sometimes joyful, but process of sanctification, essentially.

01:35:04.000 One of the things that I pray most often is for the Holy Spirit to conform me into the likeness and image of Jesus Christ at all cost.

01:35:16.000 At all cost.

01:35:18.000 Well, first time I prayed that, that was hard to pray, man.

01:35:21.000 You read about Jesus in Isaiah 53.

01:35:25.000 What's it say about him?

01:35:26.000 He was a man of sorrow, well acquainted with grief.

01:35:34.000 Conform me into the image of Christ.

01:35:35.000 And that process of sanctification is ongoing.

01:35:39.000 My understanding of the Scriptures is ongoing and progressive even still to this day and hopefully to the very day that I depart this tent.

01:35:50.000 It's everything to me, man.

01:35:54.000 Like it's, it's, no, no, no, no.

01:35:58.000 It's literally everything to me.

01:36:04.000 Some people say, well, Chad, doesn't, sometimes don't you have moments of doubt?

01:36:09.000 Well, yeah.

01:36:12.000 I'd be a liar.

01:36:13.000 Think about what I believe.

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:18.000 Like sometimes don't you have moments of doubt?

01:36:20.000 Yeah, I have moments of doubt sometimes.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, for sure, man.

01:36:25.000 But what I realize is that if I could possibly depart from this faith that I have in the Almighty, if I could possibly even depart from that faith, what would I have?

01:36:46.000 I don't have nothing.

01:36:48.000 Like what's, what's the point?

01:36:51.000 Like what's the point?

01:36:53.000 This is the fascinating aspect of this that an atheist needs to take into consideration.

01:36:58.000 What you're talking about had a real result.

01:37:04.000 This belief in faith.

01:37:06.000 faith has had a real transformative result on you as a human being now if there was nothing to this if this is all nonsense and there was a method that you could use just some sort of a way of viewing the world that would instantaneously change the way you see yourself and see Everything.

01:37:31.000 Wouldn't that method be explored and wouldn't that be taught?

01:37:37.000 Like, if this is the thing that brought you to who you are now, that's a real thing.

01:37:46.000 Regardless of whether or not anybody wants to believe in Jesus Christ or believe in the resurrection or believe in the gospels, it works.

01:37:56.000 Like this, that's the thing about Christians, like real Christians, and I've been very fortunate to meet a bunch of them.

01:38:03.000 I had a weird journey in religion myself because I went to Catholic school when I was in first grade and it kind of ruined me.

01:38:11.000 They were horrible. 0.99

01:38:13.000 This nun, Sister Mary Josephine, I don't remember anybody from when I was six years old, but I remember that bitch. 1.00

01:38:19.000 She was so fucking mean, man. 1.00

01:38:23.000 And just the experience, the way they treated children, it was so fear-based. 0.99

01:38:28.000 And I was like, this is not God.

01:38:30.000 God has nothing to do with that.

01:38:31.000 This is people.

01:38:32.000 It's man sense.

01:38:32.000 This is people.

01:38:34.000 And it kind of set a tone for my life, you know, where I dismissed any notions that there was some sort of truth in these religions.

01:38:48.000 But the more I've explored not just Christianity, but many different religions, people are trying to document a truth.

01:39:00.000 And it's very hard to decipher through the tongue of man.

01:39:03.000 It's very hard to decide when human beings write things down and human beings give statements on things.

01:39:09.000 You have to always take into consideration human nature.

01:39:12.000 Human beings are not that accurate in how they depict things. 0.96

01:39:15.000 And then you have the problem with translation.

01:39:17.000 Truth, brother.

01:39:18.000 You have the problem with it going from ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and to all these different languages.

01:39:26.000 And then you have the problem with spiritual narcissism.

01:39:28.000 So you have the people that are the conveyors of the message who take on these powers themselves that are above normal men and control people by, you know, before Martin Luther came around and made a phonetic version of the Bible, very few people could read and very few people could read Latin.

01:39:46.000 They didn't know what it said.

01:39:47.000 So you had to rely on the priest to tell you everything.

01:39:51.000 When people started being able to translate these things into different languages, it's wonderful, but also something's probably missing.

01:40:01.000 You know, my friend Rick Strassman, he's a scholar.

01:40:05.000 He's the guy who wrote that book, DMT, the Spirit Molecule.

01:40:09.000 He did these slow drip studies, these FDA-approved studies on DMT with people, with patients.

01:40:18.000 I'm very interested in that.

01:40:20.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:40:21.000 Well, he learned ancient Hebrew just so that he could read the Bible in its native tongue.

01:40:29.000 And it took him 16 years to do that.

01:40:31.000 I believe it.

01:40:31.000 Yeah, he's a fascinating guy.

01:40:32.000 What an endeavor.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, fascinating guy.

01:40:35.000 I think they were trying, they were writing something down.

01:40:39.000 One of the things that I learned from Wes Huff, Wesley Huff, who's a biblical scholar who's been on the podcast, he told me that the book of Isaiah, when they find it, they found a version of it in the Dead Sea Scrolls that is identical word to word for a version of it that they found a thousand years later.

01:41:00.000 That's pretty miraculous.

01:41:02.000 A thousand years.

01:41:03.000 Not only that, but what about the content of Isaiah?

01:41:08.000 What about Isaiah 53 as it describes the suffering servant, how it literally outlines the life and death of Jesus Christ, and it was written, what, 400 years before the crucifixion?

01:41:27.000 Like even the content of Isaiah, not only the accuracy of the translation and the accuracy over that span of time when you compare copies, but even the content of it.

01:41:39.000 How did this prophet write this thing about this person?

01:41:43.000 And it was fulfilled perfectly, literally to a T by the person of Jesus Christ hundreds of years later.

01:41:52.000 Oh, it's crazy.

01:41:53.000 So, and by the way, man, like, I'm not telling you or anyone listening to this, what we call testimony, like what the Lord's given me experientially in life to share with other people.

01:42:09.000 I'm not telling you this to convince you of anything.

01:42:13.000 Like, there's nothing that I can say to convince you in the truth of the gospel.

01:42:19.000 Like, I truly believe that.

01:42:23.000 There's no words that I can use.

01:42:25.000 There's no logic that I can apply.

01:42:28.000 There's nothing that I or anyone else can say to convince you of this.

01:42:34.000 And it goes back to what we started off in the conversation with of these things must be spiritually discerned.

01:42:39.000 And it is by grace, God's grace, that we are made alive and able to discern the truth of these things.

01:42:51.000 That's a hard thing to accept, man. 0.91

01:42:53.000 Like, that man is totally depraved.

01:42:56.000 And I can't say anything to convince anyone of the truth of these scriptures. 0.88

01:43:07.000 But the scriptures are dripping, literally dripping with that very fact.

01:43:11.000 That's the interesting thing about the scriptures.

01:43:13.000 They leave nothing for man.

01:43:17.000 Like, it's almost the single thing that separates what's contained in the Holy Scriptures from other religious philosophy.

01:43:26.000 It literally leaves nothing for man.

01:43:31.000 What do you mean by that?

01:43:33.000 Meaning, there is nothing that you can do to be made righteous in the eyes of the Creator.

01:43:42.000 There is nothing that you can do to save yourself.

01:43:45.000 As a matter of fact, without the grace and the help of the Almighty, you can't even believe the truth.

01:43:59.000 You won't.

01:43:59.000 You won't Do it.

01:44:02.000 You are spiritually dead prior to regeneration.

01:44:10.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:44:11.000 When you're dead, if we had a dead man laying on the floor right here and I said, Dead man, hearken unto my voice.

01:44:22.000 There is a hospital a mile down the road.

01:44:26.000 And if you'll get up and walk to that hospital or you'll allow me to take you to that hospital, they'll shock you and bring you back to life.

01:44:34.000 Is he going to respond to that message?

01:44:38.000 He's going to lay there dead, right? 0.96

01:44:40.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 We're dead spiritually until we are made alive by the grace of the Almighty.

01:44:52.000 It leaves nothing for man.

01:44:56.000 Not a thread.

01:44:57.000 It leaves me not a single thread that I can cling to.

01:45:04.000 And then you look at the whole saga of Scripture.

01:45:09.000 Well, what's this all about anyways?

01:45:10.000 Let's take it all the way back to Genesis, all the way through Revelation and everything in between.

01:45:16.000 The whole saga is to glorify the Son, Jesus Christ.

01:45:23.000 What's the purpose in me even being saved?

01:45:29.000 It's so that I can be presented to Christ as his bride.

01:45:38.000 What do you mean by that?

01:45:41.000 We, God's people, the whole purpose of our existence is for us to be presented to Jesus Christ as his own people who will glorify him for all of eternity.

01:46:02.000 It's to glorify the Son.

01:46:06.000 The whole saga that was determined by the sovereign and immutable will of the Father, it can be changed.

01:46:16.000 The whole saga, the only purpose of it all is to present this, I can't say this word real well, peculiar, peculiar people to the Son as a bride, an offering, to glorify the Son for all of eternity.

01:46:35.000 The whole saga is to lift up and glorify Jesus Christ.

01:46:43.000 It's the only purpose for me even being saved.

01:46:47.000 And you're convinced of this?

01:46:51.000 Well, I think that I'm not convinced of this because that's what I want to believe.

01:47:04.000 Like, I'm convinced of this because I'm convinced of the truth of the Holy Scriptures.

01:47:11.000 And again, the entire, when you look at the thing from a 30,000-foot view, I'm convinced of that.

01:47:20.000 Why would I want to believe that?

01:47:25.000 Why would I want to, if I wrote this story, would it not give me something to cling to?

01:47:33.000 If I wrote the story, would it not give me some other purpose than just being offered up as a bride to the glorification of the Son, Jesus Christ?

01:47:47.000 Like, if I wrote that story, wouldn't I write it differently than that?

01:47:54.000 Because I'm man, right?

01:47:55.000 I would leave myself something to cling to.

01:47:58.000 Surely this salvation means something more than just that I am part of this special people now being offered up as a bride to Christ.

01:48:11.000 Surely there's something that I can do in this life, a choice that I can make to believe in this.

01:48:20.000 Like surely I have the power to make that choice.

01:48:25.000 But if I had the power to make the choice to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ in and of myself, then that salvation would be coming from me.

01:48:38.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:48:41.000 When you realize you don't even have the power of choice in you, you are dead.

01:48:47.000 You will not choose it.

01:48:49.000 When you realize you don't even have the power of choice.

01:48:55.000 So you believe it has to be that this wisdom has to enter you somehow?

01:49:02.000 You are entered by what Scripture calls the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God who comes and dwells in you.

01:49:11.000 And that is the entity that makes you spiritually alive and gives you the ability to appraise the Scripture's essentially spiritual things because before that it's foolishness.

01:49:23.000 Have you ever paid any attention to the Shroud of Turin?

01:49:27.000 Have you ever looked into it at all?

01:49:29.000 I've just seen it pop up, you know, as I scroll through.

01:49:33.000 Well, they used to dismiss it because they used to say they did a carbon date on it and it was only 500 years old.

01:49:40.000 But they've since made some revisions to that.

01:49:43.000 There's a lot of people that believe because of the wear of the cloth, the age of the cloth, and I think they've done subsequent tests that place it around 2,000 years old, which is really fascinating.

01:49:56.000 The other thing that's fascinating is they didn't even know what the image completely was until someone took photographs of it and then looked at the negatives.

01:50:07.000 And in the negatives, then you get this image of Jesus.

01:50:11.000 Not just Jesus, but with the scars and the markings on his back, the part of his body where he's pierced, the piercings on the wrists.

01:50:22.000 And they really do believe that this thing is 2,000 years old.

01:50:25.000 And the other thing that's strange is they have no explanation as to how that image was created.

01:50:30.000 They think that image was created somehow from some sort of a burst of energy.

01:50:34.000 It's not stained, it's not dyed, and it's not something that's easily reproduced, especially if you think about the timeline.

01:50:42.000 If this is supposedly a forgery, like, how would they make an image that would only show up in a negative?

01:50:50.000 And what would be the motivation to fake this in this manner?

01:50:55.000 See if you can get some photos of what it looks like, Jamie.

01:50:57.000 You know what I love about what you're saying, Joe?

01:51:00.000 It's just, it's so amazing how the Almighty works in each of us differently.

01:51:08.000 Like, look at this.

01:51:09.000 This is this image.

01:51:12.000 If you see the original, see, the originals to the left, like, they didn't, you know, they saw that and they're like, oh, what is this?

01:51:18.000 But once you look at it with the negative, show the negative again, the black and white.

01:51:23.000 Once you see the negative of it, see if you make that larger, then it starts getting very strange.

01:51:29.000 Because you look at the piercings on the wrist, and there's these blood stains in these areas.

01:51:38.000 It's very strange.

01:51:39.000 That's wild, man.

01:51:40.000 And it's a very large piece of cloth.

01:51:45.000 I think it wrapped his entire body, and so it was like seven feet long.

01:51:50.000 And then they folded it.

01:51:51.000 So it's his back and his front.

01:51:53.000 So he was inside of this thing.

01:51:57.000 And this is the image.

01:51:58.000 I think it was debunked recently.

01:52:00.000 Was it debunked again?

01:52:01.000 I think so.

01:52:02.000 What did they say now?

01:52:03.000 I remember seeing something about it.

01:52:04.000 They found some sort of processes that have been around for a few hundred years that do some sort of this like negative transfer.

01:52:12.000 But did they know that 2,000 years ago?

01:52:15.000 I think the carbon dating has been readjusted too.

01:52:18.000 Oh, really?

01:52:18.000 What are they saying now?

01:52:19.000 I mean, I typed in debunked and I was looking through a few articles.

01:52:22.000 See, there's people that believe, and there's people that don't believe, and it gets weird.

01:52:26.000 It gets weird because there's a lot of people that want to debunk things.

01:52:30.000 A new research shows that the carbon dating of the shroud is fake.

01:52:35.000 Findings that it was the carbon dating that was fake, not the shroud.

01:52:39.000 This is a central conclusion.

01:52:41.000 There's a few articles about it being fake, but again, I don't know if they're 100% like this is fake or if they're just haters, you know.

01:52:48.000 Right.

01:52:49.000 You know what's interesting to me about the body of Christ, the physical body, like is being transposed onto that shroud, whether it's real or not.

01:53:00.000 Have you ever thought about this?

01:53:02.000 If you think about going back to talking about death and why do we have to die?

01:53:07.000 Why is it a necessity for all humans?

01:53:09.000 Well, the scripture tells us that for human, the reason that we must die is because of sin, right?

01:53:19.000 That started with the very first sin of man and woman in the very beginning, right? 1.00

01:53:27.000 Because scripture tells us that man was created to exist eternally in the beginning, the human physical form.

01:53:38.000 But when man sinned, a lot of things happened.

01:53:45.000 Death, that's the moment, scripturally, that's when death entered the equation.

01:53:49.000 So this sin is a big problem.

01:53:51.000 Like that is the genesis of death entering the equation and becoming a reality for all men. 0.86

01:54:03.000 I wonder a lot what happened when that sin caused death in man.

01:54:11.000 It's almost like it changed man's genetic makeup.

01:54:18.000 It's almost like man was created in the beginning to exist in a physical body eternally, meaning he had perfect genetics, right?

01:54:28.000 He could exist, nothing decayed.

01:54:30.000 He could continue on for all eternity.

01:54:33.000 He also had the ability to be in the presence of the Almighty.

01:54:40.000 In some way, the human brain could interact with the Almighty.

01:54:47.000 But when sin entered the equation, it's almost like man's genetic code was marred and death entered the equation and we began to age.

01:54:58.000 And it even, when I think about it along those lines, it's totally theoretical, by the way.

01:55:06.000 That's how we inherit our sinful nature is because the result of sin actually changed the genetic makeup of man's physical body.

01:55:17.000 And therefore, by necessity, he now has to die because he ages.

01:55:22.000 And also, we lost our ability to perceive the Almighty and to actually converse with him.

01:55:30.000 We lost something in our brain.

01:55:33.000 That's why I wonder about that DMT stuff.

01:55:37.000 We lost something in our brain that originally allowed us to see into this other realm and converse with this almighty being.

01:55:48.000 We lost the ability to do that because of sin.

01:55:53.000 Which brings me to the body of Christ.

01:55:55.000 The interesting thing about the body, physical body of Jesus Christ, he was the only man, according to Scripture, who ever fulfilled the law of God completely and perfectly, which means his physical body, his literal physical body, was not affected by sin, which is the thing that is causing all of us to die by necessity.

01:56:23.000 And I just wonder if that physical body, if the body of Christ, if Christ would have grown to maturity, which he did, which went about when he started his ministry, was full adult maturity, I wonder if he would not have been crucified,

01:56:40.000 if he could have lived in that physical body forever, if the aging process would have stopped and he would have never had to die because the effects of sin were not upon him.

01:56:55.000 The curse was not upon him.

01:56:57.000 And it makes me think about that body because They took his body off the cross, laid it in the tomb.

01:57:05.000 When we die, our bodies begin to go through decay very quickly.

01:57:12.000 You've seen that, killing animals.

01:57:13.000 You kill something within a few hours.

01:57:15.000 It starts to get kind of blowed up, stiff as a board. 0.97

01:57:18.000 After about a day, it stinks, all nasty.

01:57:23.000 He died. 0.97

01:57:24.000 They put him in that tomb.

01:57:26.000 He was there for three days.

01:57:30.000 That body didn't decay.

01:57:33.000 The spirit then re-entered that same body.

01:57:38.000 And that body, that same body, rose up and eventually ascended into heaven.

01:57:44.000 He took that body with him into this other realm.

01:57:50.000 It just makes me wonder what the human body was like in the beginning when we were created perfectly with this mental ability to interact with this other realm, converse with the Almighty, the absence of sin.

01:58:09.000 In other words, our genetics were perfect.

01:58:13.000 The human body was perfect.

01:58:14.000 It would not die.

01:58:16.000 So this is if you're taking the Old Testament absolutely and literally.

01:58:23.000 And if you do that, what do you think about evolution?

01:58:29.000 What do you think about...

01:58:33.000 The various forms of humans that have been detected, including recently Denisovans, what was that one?

01:58:40.000 Juliens?

01:58:41.000 What's that one?

01:58:43.000 Giant, huge-headed people.

01:58:46.000 They don't even know how big they were.

01:58:47.000 They think they were quite a bit larger than us.

01:58:49.000 They found multiple types of humans, obviously Neanderthals. 0.89

01:58:55.000 Well, if you can't tell by now, I like to think about things.

01:58:58.000 Oh, I do too.

01:58:59.000 It's fun.

01:59:00.000 It's fun.

01:59:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:59:01.000 Like, the whole thing I just talked about was like totally theoretical.

01:59:04.000 Like, I can't prove any of that.

01:59:07.000 But when I think about evolution, one of the first things that's striking to me is how on earth, well, first of all, consciousness is a big problem.

01:59:20.000 You mentioned that earlier.

01:59:21.000 But how on earth did we, as the beings that we are, or we could take any being on earth and use it as an example?

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 How do we go through, how many millions, or do some say billions?

01:59:39.000 Of life?

01:59:40.000 Of years?

01:59:41.000 Not evolution.

01:59:42.000 Of humans, but for life, yeah.

01:59:45.000 How long ago did life first appear on Earth?

01:59:50.000 I think single-celled orgasms, it's like 3 billion years or so.

01:59:53.000 Now, what I'm about to do here is I'm about to apply some country boy logic here, Joe.

01:59:58.000 Here it goes.

01:59:58.000 What does it say?

01:59:59.000 3.5 billion years.

02:00:00.000 3.5 billion years from life to what we are as beings now.

02:00:07.000 Now look, are you ready for this country boy logic?

02:00:10.000 I'd love to hear it.

02:00:13.000 How on earth did we go through 3.5 billion years of evolution and being shaped by our environment?

02:00:28.000 And here we are after 3.5 billion years and we can't stay around for more than about 75 years and everything around us can kill us.

02:00:40.000 Like, if I think about, again, country boy logic here, if I think a 3.5 billion year long process of an organism being shaped by its environment, I would like to hope it would produce something a little better than what we are today.

02:01:00.000 What it's produced is pretty fucking extraordinary in comparison to all the other animals. 0.68

02:01:07.000 Inhuman. 0.99

02:01:08.000 In humans.

02:01:09.000 Nothing is even close.

02:01:11.000 And then you have to think of how long humans have been around in this form, at least according to science.

02:01:16.000 They believe it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 to 500,000 years based on the fossil evidence.

02:01:22.000 It could go further or back, probably go further back eventually.

02:01:26.000 They'll probably figure it's like six or seven.

02:01:28.000 But there's a timeline.

02:01:29.000 There's a timeline when Homo sapiens existed and when they didn't exist before.

02:01:34.000 And then there's a bunch of different forms of human.

02:01:36.000 There's a bunch of different hominids, a different bunch of, there's, you know, there's Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, there's a ton of them. 1.00

02:01:45.000 So what we've been able to achieve in this very, relatively speaking, when you think about 3.5 billion, which is a number that you can't really comprehend.

02:01:55.000 You say it, but it's too big.

02:01:58.000 It's too big to really wrap your head around.

02:02:00.000 Think about the behavior characteristics that you can breed into your dogs in a short period of time.

02:02:06.000 Now, I heartily agree and believe in adaptation.

02:02:12.000 Yeah.

02:02:13.000 Heartily agree in different forms, drastically different forms of human.

02:02:19.000 Look at just dogs.

02:02:20.000 Just look at dogs.

02:02:21.000 Your dog came from a wolf, okay?

02:02:23.000 I have two dogs.

02:02:25.000 I have a golden retriever and I have a spaniel, this little puppy that we just got.

02:02:30.000 And both of them also descended from wolves. 0.96

02:02:33.000 And it's ridiculous. 0.76

02:02:34.000 They have zero killer instinct other than squirrels, my dog Marshall, who kills squirrels, and turtles. 0.91

02:02:42.000 But he's not a wolf.

02:02:44.000 He's some sort of a new thing that we've created through selection and breeding and over time.

02:02:53.000 It's a totally different animal, just like we are.

02:02:57.000 We are a totally different animal than Neanderthal, a totally different animal to ancient man.

02:03:03.000 We're just different.

02:03:04.000 We're different in some way.

02:03:15.000 You could see it.

02:03:16.000 It's like, there's a lot of mysteries.

02:03:18.000 The big one is the doubling of the human brain over a period of two million years.

02:03:23.000 That's a crazy one.

02:03:25.000 One of the things that I always wonder when you're reading, particularly the really old texts, When it gets into like the Dead Sea Scrolls, when it gets into the Old Testament, and even stuff that's before that, it's like, what were they trying to remember?

02:03:41.000 Because you got to remember, before this stuff was even written down, it was an oral history for about a thousand years.

02:03:48.000 What was the original story?

02:03:51.000 And that's where I think the truth is.

02:03:52.000 I think there's truth.

02:03:54.000 I don't think these people were making up myths and fairy tales. 0.56

02:03:57.000 I think that's a silly way to think about it.

02:04:00.000 I think it's much more likely that some immense events had happened over the course of human history, and these people were trying to document it with whatever limited ability to express themselves that they had at the time.

02:04:16.000 There's something there.

02:04:18.000 It's just the problem I always have with all religions is man, the tongue of man, is human beings and our desire to we use hyperbole, we exaggerate, we change times, we change, we write things that make ourselves look better than we should. 1.00

02:04:42.000 History is written by the winners.

02:04:44.000 It's very difficult to know what was the genesis of it.

02:04:48.000 What was the original thing that they were trying to write down?

02:04:51.000 But I think there's truth in the original thing.

02:04:53.000 Man, you're headed in the right direction, Joe.

02:04:55.000 When you said the problem you always have is with man.

02:04:58.000 Yes.

02:04:59.000 Man is indeed the problem, my friend.

02:05:02.000 Yes.

02:05:03.000 You are headed down the right path, man.

02:05:05.000 Well, we are the problem, but we are also seeking solutions.

02:05:08.000 People like you, people like me, people that want to be better people, and there's a lot of people out there that are listening to this.

02:05:14.000 People that want a better world.

02:05:16.000 They want a better society.

02:05:19.000 And they recognize that there's certain things that you can do both to change your life and to inspire others.

02:05:28.000 There's a reason for those instincts.

02:05:31.000 They're not necessarily even self-serving.

02:05:34.000 A lot of them are community serving.

02:05:36.000 And that's, in a way, self-serving because the more healthy your community is, the better you'll feel, the better your life will be.

02:05:43.000 There's reward systems that are built into our tribal nature.

02:05:48.000 And there's a lot of good to that.

02:05:50.000 And I think, like I said before, if you do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have a better life.

02:05:58.000 If you believe it, you will, and you live by it, you will have a better life.

02:06:04.000 But there's that weird jump that you have to make, right?

02:06:09.000 There's the weird jump where you have to abandon this critical thinking and logical mind and accept that there's an extreme value in living this way.

02:06:24.000 And it hasn't been around for all these years by accident.

02:06:30.000 And I really do believe that at the origins, and I just, we all wish we could know.

02:06:38.000 We could hear it.

02:06:38.000 Like, that's the frustrating thing about it.

02:06:40.000 This is all really the word of God.

02:06:42.000 Like, hey, come back and give us a refresher course.

02:06:44.000 How about, you know, like, maybe we're not bad.

02:06:47.000 We just need to know.

02:06:49.000 I'll tell you what, Joe, I should just let you talk the whole dang podcast, man, because you are so good at just summing stuff up and getting to the root of questions and things.

02:07:02.000 And, you know, like, like, you know, you talked about that whole, that, that transition from just like living it out to have a better life to all of a sudden like placing your entire hope in this message of the gospel.

02:07:15.000 Like, that's that transition that I was talking about that you can't choose.

02:07:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:21.000 Like, so you're summarizing all of this so well, man.

02:07:26.000 And it's interesting to me, too, that, you know, the Almighty has these plans for each of us, his sons and daughters.

02:07:36.000 And he leads us each along this path to the ultimate revelation that we are searching for.

02:07:47.000 But every path looks different.

02:07:49.000 And it's so interesting to me to get to hear you speak this way because he led me along this path that involved this spiritual warfare.

02:07:58.000 What was I?

02:07:59.000 I was a warrior.

02:08:01.000 Like I understood warfare.

02:08:03.000 I understood encountering an enemy.

02:08:06.000 And that's the story I told you.

02:08:08.000 You know, he kind of led me to this ultimate revelation and to this regeneration along the lines of that.

02:08:19.000 I have to believe that and I have to hope that he is leading you along this path, specifically the way you're experiencing it, because that's how your mind works, man.

02:08:32.000 Like you're a master.

02:08:35.000 You are intelligent.

02:08:36.000 You understand things.

02:08:38.000 You want things to be somewhat logical and orderly.

02:08:44.000 And, you know, like the Shroud of Turin thing or, you know, any of these other artifacts or the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like, like I can do without knowing about all that and be just fine.

02:08:57.000 But according to the way the Almighty made you, maybe you can't do without all that stuff and be just fine because you're different than me.

02:09:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:08.000 Yeah.

02:09:08.000 So I want you, man, it sounds so weird because I only, we just met.

02:09:13.000 But like, I want you, man, to be confident in the direction that you're going with the questions that you ask and the way that you search.

02:09:25.000 Because it's beautiful, man.

02:09:27.000 Well, thank you.

02:09:28.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 It's beautiful.

02:09:30.000 I'm blessed with the time.

02:09:32.000 I'm blessed with the time to ponder things.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 That is a very big blessing, man.

02:09:39.000 It is.

02:09:39.000 Because if you're too busy and your life is too overwhelmed with obligations, and I have a lot of them, but fortunately for me, a lot of my job gives me time, gives me time to think.

02:09:52.000 A lot of what I do.

02:09:53.000 And a lot of these conversations give me time to think.

02:09:55.000 And talking to different people with different perspectives, different life experiences, And what they're trying to figure out because we're all trying to figure out what is the purpose of this?

02:10:05.000 Like, what am I doing here?

02:10:07.000 And some of the most miserable, anxiety-ridden people that I know have no belief system. 0.96

02:10:14.000 Some of the most miserable, anxiety-driven people that I know are atheists. 1.00

02:10:19.000 And some of the most angry and bitter and attacking and condescending and atheists. 0.99

02:10:29.000 And also Christian.

02:10:31.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of Christians that way, too.

02:10:33.000 Yeah.

02:10:33.000 Well, there's a lot of Muslims that way.

02:10:35.000 There's a lot of Buddhists that way. 1.00

02:10:36.000 There's a lot of people that are full of shit. 1.00

02:10:38.000 And that's, you know, that's with everything. 1.00

02:10:40.000 Like, you can get a good plumber, you can get a terrible plumber.

02:10:43.000 You know, and it's just how human beings vary considerably.

02:10:48.000 There's a philosopher that Martin Luther quotes in his book, The Bondage of the Will.

02:10:53.000 And this philosopher says, you can make anything out of anything.

02:10:58.000 And he's talking about scripture.

02:11:00.000 You can take the Holy Scriptures and you can make anything out of them that you want to make out of them.

02:11:07.000 Right, if you want to interpret it in a completely different way.

02:11:10.000 You can make anything out of anything.

02:11:12.000 And that's where we have these issues. 0.95

02:11:18.000 You know, people love to point out the hypocrisy in the body of Christ, the visible church, Christians, people who proclaim to be Christians, the hypocrisy of Christians. 0.69

02:11:32.000 And I would agree with you 100%. 0.93

02:11:35.000 There is a lot of hypocrisy.

02:11:37.000 And a lot of what the visible church does is makes what they want to make out of the scriptures in order to control people.

02:11:50.000 I mean, that's like huge, man.

02:11:54.000 And there's also the issue of mega-pastors.

02:11:57.000 Yeah.

02:11:57.000 You know, when you think about a rock star, you think about someone who's selling out an arena, right?

02:12:03.000 You think about a preacher, you think about like a Joel Olstein type character, unfortunately, because they're more popular than any of the other ones.

02:12:11.000 And so that becomes, that's a far, it's on the far spectrum, a fringe figure. 0.99

02:12:17.000 You know, Rolls-Royce's, private jets, expensive suits, all of it's fucked. 0.98

02:12:23.000 None of it makes any sense. 0.99

02:12:25.000 None of it seems remotely Christian, right? 0.99

02:12:29.000 To amass billions of dollars in enormous plots of land and have huge houses and you're flying around in $65 million planes.

02:12:39.000 Dude, you're a comedian.

02:12:40.000 You've got to watch this dude named Jesse DuPlantis.

02:12:42.000 Is he a comic?

02:12:43.000 Oh, no, he's like a mega preacher, but dude, you just got to watch videos of this dude.

02:12:50.000 Is he off the charts?

02:12:52.000 Oh, my gosh.

02:12:53.000 You know, that's how Kinnison started.

02:12:56.000 One of the greatest comedians, if not the greatest of all time, Sam Kinnison, started out as a tent preacher.

02:13:02.000 Well, you know, when people like to point out the hypocrisy of Christians, like, I get what you're saying, man, like, and how religion is used to control people in some ways. 0.98

02:13:14.000 You can make anything out of anything. 0.93

02:13:16.000 But here's the thing.

02:13:17.000 Here's how I would respond to you as a Christian.

02:13:20.000 Yes, you are right. 1.00

02:13:21.000 I am a hypocrite. 1.00

02:13:23.000 I am a liar. 1.00

02:13:25.000 I am a cheater. 0.99

02:13:28.000 Now, I'm not really a thief per se.

02:13:31.000 I don't steal.

02:13:32.000 I covet people.

02:13:35.000 The things that they have.

02:13:37.000 The things of this world.

02:13:39.000 I hate.

02:13:42.000 I do all of those things.

02:13:45.000 That's the point.

02:13:48.000 Like, in that realization of who I am, that revelation is the foundation of my clinging to Christ.

02:14:06.000 Right.

02:14:07.000 I see what you're saying.

02:14:08.000 Like, clinging to, do I want to do those things?

02:14:12.000 No, I don't want to do those things.

02:14:14.000 But there is something in me.

02:14:16.000 There is a remnant in me that leads me to do things that I don't want to do.

02:14:27.000 And the things that I want to do, I don't actually do.

02:14:32.000 Now, not 100% of the time.

02:14:34.000 Like, that's not my desire.

02:14:37.000 But when I do those things now, the difference is my response to them.

02:14:44.000 So, like, I told you how wicked I used to be.

02:14:47.000 Well, you know, used to be if I had an argument with my wife, you know, maybe I was rushing out the door and maybe I yelled at my wife and I went out and got my truck and went to work.

02:14:59.000 The rest of the day, I would be justifying my yelling at my wife.

02:15:07.000 She deserved to be yelled at. 0.99

02:15:08.000 Screw her, man. 0.99

02:15:10.000 Like, she's in the wrong. 0.97

02:15:12.000 Now, when I do those things, I yell at my wife, I walk out the door.

02:15:17.000 It's the same thing that I did before, but I do it now, and I get in my car and it crushes me, dude.

02:15:28.000 I'm like, I can't believe I just did the thing that I know I don't want to do, but I did it anyways.

02:15:37.000 It's my response to those things.

02:15:42.000 The most, I think, accurate way or picture to describe this, remember I told you I woke up the next day and like my desires had changed?

02:15:50.000 Yes.

02:15:53.000 The most accurate way I've heard this described is if you had two plates of food, you know, you had a plate of the finest food and then you had a bucket of garbage. 0.97

02:16:05.000 You turn a pig loose into the room. 0.98

02:16:08.000 The pig is going to go and stick his head in that bucket of garbage and eat that garbage before he eats the food off of that fine plate. 1.00

02:16:20.000 Because he likes the smell of garbage. 1.00

02:16:22.000 He's attracted to the taste and the smell of that. 1.00

02:16:26.000 We have pigs at the house. 0.98

02:16:27.000 Like, this is what he would do. 0.92

02:16:28.000 He would go eat the garbage before He ate the good stuff. 0.99

02:16:32.000 And so that pig, he's eating that garbage, and there's this good stuff right here next to him. 1.00

02:16:38.000 And he's not even ashamed that he's eating that garbage because he's a pig. 1.00

02:16:44.000 If you had the power to snap your fingers and to turn that pig into a man, that man would then lift his head up out of that garbage and he would look around him and he would be ashamed that he had been eating that garbage. 1.00

02:17:07.000 And he would depart from that garbage and go to the finer food. 0.99

02:17:13.000 Right? 0.93

02:17:14.000 That's what he would do.

02:17:16.000 That's the transition that I tried to describe to you earlier how I was changed overnight.

02:17:22.000 It was like I no longer desired garbage more than I desired the fine things that the Lord has offered to me.

02:17:34.000 My desires changed, right?

02:17:36.000 I see what you're saying.

02:17:37.000 But we still go back. 0.99

02:17:39.000 Like there's a remnant of that pig in us. 0.99

02:17:43.000 And every now and then we want to go back and eat that garbage, but we're ashamed. 0.98

02:17:48.000 We don't want anybody to see us, and we're ashamed, and it upsets our stomach, and we respond to it differently. 0.94

02:17:57.000 And that's kind of the change and tying this all back into, well, why aren't Christians perfect? 0.95

02:18:06.000 They say they preach all this stuff.

02:18:10.000 As a preacher or as a teacher, the closer you preach the true literal word of Scripture in terms of standards, the closer you get to that standard that's portrayed by Scripture, the more of a hypocrite you are going to become because you can't meet it.

02:18:37.000 What you're saying, though, this is what I was getting at.

02:18:40.000 What you're saying is one of the best examples of the power of being a Christian.

02:18:49.000 What I'm talking about is the general perception of people on the outside that don't really maybe don't, maybe hang out mostly in secular circles.

02:19:00.000 Maybe they have a bunch of friends that are atheists.

02:19:02.000 And they see religion as this big scam. 0.80

02:19:06.000 And because the most popular versions of religion for a long time is televised religion, you know, that's when you think about people's exposure that aren't religious to religion, what do they, they hear about scandals, they hear about, you know, the pedophilia in the Catholic Church.

02:19:25.000 They hear about money that's being inappropriately spent. 0.99

02:19:30.000 And so the versions that they get are like, oh, this is just bullshit to control people. 0.92

02:19:39.000 And they don't hear enough about genuine transformation stories and like why this is valuable and why it's also valuable to intelligent people because this has always been this is a misconception or at least a narrative that's pushed out that it's for dull-minded people. 0.96

02:20:01.000 It's for dull-minded people that can't make sense of the world.

02:20:03.000 It's too much confusion to them, so they need a structure. 0.97

02:20:06.000 Which is totally in alignment with the whole truth that this cross thing is foolishness. 1.00

02:20:15.000 Like, I understand that.

02:20:18.000 Well, the fact that you do makes it much more palatable for people, too.

02:20:22.000 What you were saying makes more sense to people because, like, okay, he's addressing these feelings that I have, too.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, I mean, you read in, I think it's 1 Corinthians chapter 2, the Apostle Paul is writing, like, hey, I didn't come to you with these wise words, like, trying to convince you of anything.

02:20:44.000 I simply have preached to you this gospel.

02:20:48.000 And notice that not many of you who are considered wise, like, were able to believe this because it's literally foolishness until you're made alive.

02:21:03.000 And it was, it's funny, it was by the Almighty's sovereign, immutable will that he chose the cross as to be the story of redemption for man.

02:21:17.000 It's funny that he chose the cross and he did it for his own good pleasure. 0.95

02:21:24.000 He chose to destroy the wisdom of man by a message that is seemingly foolish. 0.99

02:21:35.000 It's so backwards. 0.79

02:21:38.000 He chose to destroy man's wisdom, our natural man's wisdom, right?

02:21:45.000 All the great things that man has done and known and discovered.

02:21:52.000 He chose to destroy all of that by this foolish message of the cross for his own good pleasure.

02:22:00.000 Because man in his wisdom did not know God when he came here in the body, in the person of Jesus Christ. 0.86

02:22:09.000 They actually killed him.

02:22:12.000 So he said, I'm going to destroy y'all's natural wisdom with this message of foolishness. 0.97

02:22:17.000 Kind of comedic.

02:22:20.000 So if it really did happen, it's the most bizarre way to get a message across.

02:22:25.000 It's the most bizarre way that you could ever literally even imagine, man.

02:22:30.000 No, and imagine you trying to explain to people your experiences with whatever you encountered in those barracks.

02:22:39.000 And people hearing that, like, it's the problem with unique experiences that are completely outside of the norm.

02:22:45.000 Well, what's more outside of the norm than the resurrection of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ being actually the Son of God?

02:22:52.000 Like, imagine trying to explain that to people.

02:22:54.000 They'd be like, what are you talking about?

02:22:57.000 There's this guy.

02:22:58.000 His name is Jesus. 1.00

02:22:59.000 Like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:23:00.000 Like, what are you in? 1.00

02:23:01.000 A multi-level marketing scheme?

02:23:02.000 Like, what are you talking about, man?

02:23:04.000 This guy wants money from you?

02:23:05.000 Like, what is this guy? 1.00

02:23:06.000 this guy fucking your wife? 1.00

02:23:07.000 Like, what's going on? 1.00

02:23:08.000 No, no, no, no, man.

02:23:10.000 It's not like that.

02:23:11.000 Like, okay.

02:23:12.000 Right.

02:23:13.000 Right.

02:23:14.000 But if it really is true, you would be stuck.

02:23:17.000 You'd be stuck with this story.

02:23:20.000 And you can't leave that part out.

02:23:22.000 No, you're commanded to tell the entire story.

02:23:27.000 So you have this conundrum.

02:23:28.000 Right.

02:23:28.000 This part is going to sound crazy, but you summed it up well, Joe.

02:23:36.000 You summed it up well, brother.

02:23:38.000 The most fascinating thing of it, but I always tell people, look all that, look at it, but also know that if you live that way and if you believe that, and if you follow those teachings, you will have a better life.

02:23:49.000 There's something to it.

02:23:51.000 There's a reason why people have been doing it.

02:23:52.000 There's a reason why true Christians are some of the nicest, most compassionate, friendliest, charitable people that you'll ever meet.

02:24:00.000 There's something to it.

02:24:01.000 There's something to it.

02:24:05.000 The origin of it all, there's truth in the origin of it all.

02:24:08.000 It's just trying to figure out what it means.

02:24:12.000 And then the translations, even the translations in English that you're reading, the way they communicate is so different than the way we communicate today.

02:24:21.000 So you have to realize the evolution of human discourse over thousands of years, the way we phrase things, the way we describe things, the way we talk about things, is all very different.

02:24:33.000 So you have to get scholars who understand the original way they talked about these things.

02:24:40.000 And why did they say a phrase this way?

02:24:44.000 What is the meaning of this?

02:24:46.000 Isn't it so good that we have men that have dedicated?

02:24:48.000 Men and women who have dedicated their entire lives to that job.

02:24:51.000 Do you follow that Wesley Huff guy?

02:24:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:53.000 He's fantastic.

02:24:54.000 I do, man.

02:24:55.000 I'm so thankful for men like him.

02:24:58.000 R.C. Spurl is one that I love to read his stuff.

02:25:01.000 He's passed now.

02:25:02.000 Martin Luther, of course, is another one. 0.60

02:25:06.000 But I mean, because you think about me, like, what do I spend a day reading scripture?

02:25:13.000 Two hours a day, maybe?

02:25:15.000 Sometimes three?

02:25:18.000 Like, I'm never going to become the expert.

02:25:20.000 Right.

02:25:21.000 You know, you spend an hour a day or two hours a day doing anything.

02:25:25.000 Yeah.

02:25:25.000 You're never going to become proficient.

02:25:28.000 You'll be proficient.

02:25:29.000 Yeah, you'll be able to kind of know your way around it.

02:25:31.000 But the stuff that you're talking about knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that's the meat that we can consume.

02:25:38.000 Also, when you're talking about the Old Testament and the New Testament, you put the two of them together, you're dealing with thousands of pages.

02:25:44.000 Yeah.

02:25:44.000 Thousands.

02:25:46.000 Thousands of pages of very confusing scripture, where some of it you're reading, you have to read it three or four times and you just got to go, okay, what exactly is he trying to say here?

02:25:57.000 Because you have to figure out how it fits with the rest of it.

02:26:00.000 Yes.

02:26:01.000 Because you can read it in a way and you're like, this is contradictory.

02:26:10.000 If scripture is contradictory, it is not from God.

02:26:15.000 Right.

02:26:16.000 It cannot, by nature of what we know about the nature of the Almighty, what's revealed in Scripture to us just about his nature, his attributes, right?

02:26:27.000 It's one of my favorite things to study, the attributes of the Almighty, which we cannot even begin to grasp the fullness of it.

02:26:35.000 But some of his attributes have been revealed to us.

02:26:38.000 And so if that is his word, it cannot contradict itself because that would go against what we know of as who he is.

02:26:53.000 You know yet?

02:26:55.000 Yeah.

02:26:56.000 But yet sometimes it does.

02:26:59.000 Seemingly.

02:27:00.000 Yeah.

02:27:01.000 Seemingly.

02:27:02.000 And again, this is probably the interpretation of man.

02:27:07.000 You know, and this is where it gets problematic.

02:27:10.000 I mean, it is ultimately fascinating that you have something like the book of Isaiah, where they found an older version that they didn't even know existed.

02:27:19.000 It turns out to be a thousand years older, and it's verbatim.

02:27:23.000 Fascinating, right?

02:27:24.000 It is.

02:27:26.000 But before that got written down, they talked about it for a long time.

02:27:31.000 A long time.

02:27:33.000 And so few people could write things down and so few people could read.

02:27:37.000 That's where it gets weird.

02:27:39.000 But I think ultimately, behind it all, they're trying to tell a story.

02:27:45.000 They're trying to tell a fantastic story.

02:27:48.000 And I think ultimately, too, I think something that you could add to that, Joe, is if what I'm saying is correct in terms of what I believe about scripture, ultimately there has also to be some divine influence over the preservation of those scriptures.

02:28:11.000 It's the only way, right?

02:28:12.000 It would be the only way for the scriptures in their original language to be truly the word of the Almighty to man.

02:28:24.000 The complete revelation of the Almighty to man.

02:28:29.000 Like there has to be some divine influence for that to happen.

02:28:36.000 Right, but then you have to take it back to the origins of it.

02:28:39.000 Like what was that?

02:28:40.000 What was that divine influence?

02:28:42.000 What were the experiences?

02:28:43.000 Was it a converse?

02:28:44.000 Yeah, was it a convers?

02:28:45.000 How did it, you know, we like to kind of the and here's another thing, man.

02:28:55.000 It all involves faith.

02:28:57.000 It does involve an aspect of faith.

02:28:59.000 Like, you know, because we look at the letters in the New Testament who were mostly written by the Apostle Paul.

02:29:08.000 And the only way that we can trust that, okay, this is the literal message from God to us, but it's coming through a man, like, how does that happen? 0.74

02:29:22.000 Well, we have to believe that, again, the Almighty is influencing man through the power of his Spirit in the man to write the things that the man wrote.

02:29:35.000 You know, That's why this belief in the Holy Spirit and of the believer actually being possessed with the Spirit of God is so essential.

02:29:45.000 Like, it has to be that way.

02:29:48.000 Or else the Apostle Paul is writing his opinions.

02:29:50.000 Right.

02:29:51.000 Or he's writing based off of his experience.

02:29:54.000 You know, you could take it all the way back.

02:29:58.000 What did Pilate say to Jesus?

02:30:00.000 What is truth?

02:30:02.000 Well, you know, what is like truth, I don't even know that truth can come from man alone because everything that we have experienced is so influenced by our upbringing, by our perspective, by our memory, by so many factors.

02:30:26.000 That's why I hate, dude, I hate seeing these guys, these former military guys attacking each other, man, about he did this and he did that and he didn't do this and he didn't do that.

02:30:36.000 I'm like, I mean, some guys might flat out be, you know, telling a fib, you know, I get that, right?

02:30:44.000 You know, that's not good.

02:30:46.000 But man, so many people are recounting experiences that they've had in their life and their service and whatever it may be.

02:30:54.000 And like all of that is shaped by their unique perspective and the way that their mind works.

02:30:59.000 And, you know, it's like I can't attack a dude for that.

02:31:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:07.000 So if we're saying that the Bible is truly the perfect revelation of God to man, then we have to understand that the source of that, all of that, did not come from man in some way.

02:31:23.000 It was wrought by God through man.

02:31:27.000 If that makes sense.

02:31:28.000 It does make sense.

02:31:29.000 And that is the ultimate truth where it all started from.

02:31:32.000 It's just trying to like sift through the tongue of man to get to whatever that truth is.

02:31:41.000 And then this thing that will ultimately, I mean, unless some insane technology comes about, we'll never know.

02:31:47.000 We'll never be able to go back in time and figure that out.

02:31:51.000 That's a problem, ain't it?

02:31:53.000 It's an issue.

02:31:54.000 You know, I talked to my buddy about that while I was sitting there with him, you know, as he was passing away.

02:32:02.000 And, you know, scripture describes when you leave your physical body here on earth, you know, your spirit basically goes into the presence of the Almighty immediately.

02:32:18.000 But in that state, you're unclothed and you don't want to be unclothed.

02:32:27.000 And like I was, I'm having all these, I lost my train of thought there on where we were going with that.

02:32:35.000 But yeah, man, I forgot the original question, but it pertained to something a conversation I had with him.

02:32:44.000 Well, you were talking with him about this sort of leap of faith that you have to make.

02:32:50.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:51.000 Okay, that's what I was talking to him about.

02:32:53.000 I was like, right now, Mr. Don, there is an element of faith in what you believe.

02:33:06.000 And that's a problem.

02:33:10.000 It's hard to explain that.

02:33:12.000 That's a problem.

02:33:13.000 But when you leave here, you're no longer going to have to live by faith.

02:33:20.000 Like once you get there, you're going to know you made it.

02:33:25.000 But it goes back to what you were saying.

02:33:27.000 Like, we'll never know.

02:33:29.000 There's always going to be an element of faith in what we believe.

02:33:36.000 Like, there has to be, as it pertains to things of God, there's always going to be a certain element of faith.

02:33:46.000 That very faith is the gift that the Lord gives to his elect.

02:33:53.000 The ability to believe.

02:33:57.000 Like, that is the gift, that element of faith.

02:34:00.000 That's the gift that I treasure more than anything else that I have in my life.

02:34:06.000 But it's still tough.

02:34:09.000 Remember I told you I have doubts sometimes?

02:34:11.000 Of course. 0.94

02:34:11.000 Well, that's where the skeptical person steps in and says, well, this is ridiculous. 0.94

02:34:15.000 It's all based on, you have to believe in faith because logically it doesn't make any sense.

02:34:20.000 And so this is the problem with that is that you're making this assumption that the human mind is flawless and that it could perceive truth regardless of your learned experiences, regardless of what you know about the world.

02:34:33.000 You could see truth even if it's a completely unique thing.

02:34:37.000 You could know that it doesn't exist.

02:34:40.000 Like, there's no way.

02:34:41.000 There's no way you know.

02:34:42.000 And if it is a puzzle, what greater puzzle than you have to believe something that defies logic?

02:34:50.000 Like if you're going to demand faith of someone, you would deliver it in a way that the only way to buy into this is that you have to get past your logic.

02:35:06.000 You have to abandon it.

02:35:08.000 and you have to believe something that you've been told is impossible.

02:35:12.000 But my answer to that is...

02:35:15.000 You're going to make a good preacher one day, man.

02:35:20.000 This is the problem with that.

02:35:21.000 The problem is, Terrence McKenna once said that science only demands of you one miracle.

02:35:28.000 That's the Big Bang.

02:35:30.000 If you believe in one miracle, everything else it says it can explain with materialist science.

02:35:37.000 So the miracle of the Big Bang is way crazier to believe than the resurrection of a human being.

02:35:46.000 That seems more logical.

02:35:49.000 It seems more plausible.

02:35:51.000 People live, people die, maybe people come back to life.

02:35:53.000 I'll buy that more than the entire universe is smaller than the head of a pin.

02:35:59.000 And through no process that anybody has adequately explained, becomes everything.

02:36:05.000 And maybe it's a continual process.

02:36:07.000 It happens over and over and over again.

02:36:09.000 Well, you like to look into all this stuff.

02:36:11.000 My wife sent me a YouTube video or something the other day.

02:36:14.000 Apparently, they saw something with one of these telescopes or something that they look into the cosmos with that has completely destroyed all their evidence of their theology behind the Big Bang.

02:36:27.000 James Webb Telescope.

02:36:29.000 Yeah.

02:36:29.000 They're finding, they think that some of what they were interpreting as the initial signals of the Big Bang are not that.

02:36:39.000 Not only that, but the origin, the birth of the universe is far older than they think it was because they're finding galaxies that are far too large and formed, that are so far away that they would have had to form far quicker than they thought was possible from the moment of the Big Bang today.

02:36:58.000 So this has extended, in some people's eyes, the birth of the universe to 22 plus billion years old instead of 13.7 or whatever it is.

02:37:07.000 So they think it's possibly even older.

02:37:09.000 But then there's also questions like the Big Bang itself might not be correct.

02:37:13.000 You might be just interpreting the signals of this part of the space, part of the universe.

02:37:19.000 We just can't see yet because we don't have the ability to see further than what the James Webb Telescope can do.

02:37:25.000 So as we develop better and better tools, with each iteration, you're going to have a much deeper understanding of the vastness of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite.

02:37:38.000 And Roger Penrose thinks that not only was there not just a Big Bang, that there's a continual cycle of these things that happen for eternity, that there's never been a beginning.

02:37:52.000 Go ahead and wrap your mind around that.

02:37:54.000 Wrap your mind around that.

02:37:55.000 Because we always want to think in terms of our own personal biological limitations.

02:37:59.000 We have a birth and we have a death.

02:38:01.000 Well, what was the birth of the universe?

02:38:02.000 Well, why?

02:38:04.000 Why assume that?

02:38:05.000 Why?

02:38:06.000 Because we have this tiny little lifespan of 100 years.

02:38:09.000 Even when we try to interpret hard things about scripture or we think about the Lord, almost always we put time constraints on him.

02:38:21.000 Like, how do you think without the constraints of time in your mind?

02:38:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:31.000 It's freaking wild, man.

02:38:32.000 Then time gets real weird when you get into the Old Testament.

02:38:34.000 Like, how old was Noah?

02:38:36.000 What?

02:38:37.000 Well, yeah, they lived a long time.

02:38:39.000 You know, that kind of goes along with my theory of at the fall of man, literally marring man's genetic code and how that has just kind of progressively gotten worse over time.

02:38:52.000 It's possible, but it's also possible that their interpretation of time was different because they didn't understand calendars.

02:38:57.000 You know, what they considered a year was not what we were talking about.

02:39:01.000 We're talking about a completely different thing.

02:39:04.000 We have such a limited understanding just of human civilization.

02:39:07.000 I mean, there's new findings constantly that are completely throwing a monkey wrench into the timeline of human history.

02:39:17.000 And some of the biggest ones are happening in Egypt right now, where they're finding structures through tomography, through the use of satellites.

02:39:25.000 They're finding these structures underneath the pyramids that go down two kilometers deep.

02:39:30.000 Very controversial stuff, but they've repeated it over and over again.

02:39:35.000 There's these cylinders and there's coils that seem to be wrapped around these cylinders.

02:39:40.000 They're hundreds of meters deep, and then there's more structures underneath there.

02:39:44.000 They're like, well, what is this?

02:39:46.000 Like, who made this?

02:39:47.000 Like, explaining the pyramids themselves is impossible.

02:39:51.000 They try.

02:39:52.000 They pretend.

02:39:53.000 People are just smarter than you think.

02:39:55.000 Okay, maybe. 0.99

02:39:57.000 But also crazy that you've got this fucking thing that's, what, 17 acres in its footprint, 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from a quarry 500 miles away, placed hundreds of feet in the ceiling. 0.99

02:40:11.000 Some of them are 50-plus tons that they've moved into these positions, cut perfectly. 0.99

02:40:16.000 You can't even a razor blade in between of them, set to perfect north, south, east, and west.

02:40:21.000 And now you find out there's structures underneath them that might go down two kilometers. 0.93

02:40:25.000 We might have a completely fucked up understanding of human history. 0.94

02:40:29.000 And it's very likely we do. 0.95

02:40:31.000 Yeah, it's, you know, there's a lot of speculation around.

02:40:35.000 I'm sure you have had somebody on to talk about this period of human history in scripture where it talks about essentially these angelic beings basically pro-creating with women, human women, and creating some sort of hybrid race, men of renown with special knowledge.

02:40:57.000 And it would seem that something like that, when you look at the example and all of the stuff you just talked about with the pyramids, they were getting special knowledge.

02:41:12.000 There was something weird.

02:41:16.000 From some source.

02:41:17.000 I don't know.

02:41:18.000 Like you said, we can't understand it, man.

02:41:19.000 Well, we don't.

02:41:20.000 Unfortunately, because of the burning of the Library of Alexandria, we have a limited understanding of what was going on.

02:41:25.000 But what they did accomplish that's still there today baffles, just baffles the greatest human minds.

02:41:32.000 They're like, What I love about you is you're not afraid to ask these questions, man.

02:41:37.000 And what you're doing here on the show, it's like you're not afraid to dig into anything.

02:41:43.000 Well, I don't think you should be afraid of questions.

02:41:45.000 And no one should be.

02:41:46.000 But a lot of people's pride, you know, like keep them from kind of asking those questions.

02:41:55.000 Well, people take themselves seriously.

02:41:56.000 You know, I don't really take myself very seriously, luckily.

02:41:59.000 And also, I'm not married to my ideas.

02:42:02.000 My ideas are just ideas.

02:42:03.000 And they're not mine.

02:42:04.000 They're just ideas.

02:42:05.000 And I'll entertain those ideas.

02:42:06.000 But if they're wrong, I'll say, uh-oh, that's wrong.

02:42:09.000 I thought this.

02:42:09.000 This is why I thought that.

02:42:11.000 This is what it turns out really is.

02:42:13.000 And I think if you can do that, you'll have a healthier perspective.

02:42:17.000 Just ask questions. 0.96

02:42:19.000 Don't be afraid to sound foolish because there's probably a reason why you want to ask that question. 0.98

02:42:27.000 And maybe there's a logical answer that'll make you seem Foolish for asking the question. 0.98

02:42:31.000 You're like, oh, okay, now I get it.

02:42:33.000 But maybe not.

02:42:34.000 And there's a lot of assumptions that people cling to.

02:42:37.000 And boy, we found out a lot about that during COVID. 0.99

02:42:39.000 There's a lot of shit that people just believe wholeheartedly that's 100% not true. 1.00

02:42:46.000 And you'll yell at people about it, and you'll fucking change people's lives, and you'll treat people like plague rats. 1.00

02:42:53.000 And you're 100% incorrect. 0.99

02:42:55.000 And you've based your entire identity on this information that's 100% incorrect.

02:43:00.000 And then years later, you're still justifying it because your ego won't allow you to admit that you were incorrect.

02:43:07.000 You had made false assumptions.

02:43:09.000 You had gone down the wrong way of thinking.

02:43:11.000 And here you are stuck with this undeniable truth that's right in front of your face. 0.99

02:43:17.000 You were fucking wrong. 0.99

02:43:18.000 You were wrong. 1.00

02:43:19.000 You got played.

02:43:20.000 You can't trust the government.

02:43:22.000 You can't trust the pharmaceutical drug companies.

02:43:24.000 You can't trust anybody that's making a profit off of you.

02:43:27.000 There it is right in front of your face.

02:43:29.000 And that's the problem with taking yourself too seriously.

02:43:35.000 That's the problem with being married to your ideas.

02:43:38.000 That's a problem with always wanting to be right and always wanting to sound intelligent.

02:43:42.000 That's so good.

02:43:43.000 Joe, that's so impactful for me to hear you say that because I have to share this with you, of course.

02:43:51.000 I've told a few of my close buddies and friends that I was coming on the show today to have a conversation with you.

02:43:58.000 And it's amazing people's response when you tell them that you're going to come and sit down to the mighty Joe Rogan, the most powerful man on the internet.

02:44:08.000 I've heard you called that.

02:44:11.000 Dude, don't be offended by any of that.

02:44:15.000 This is what people say.

02:44:16.000 And, you know, I had so many people tell me, now, Chad, when you go sit down with Joe, you better just stick to what you know.

02:44:27.000 And I'm sitting here like, buddy, I don't know a whole lot.

02:44:33.000 Like, when you really get down, like what you said, man, like you're not, you're not attached to your ideas.

02:44:40.000 And they're not, a lot of times they're not even your ideas.

02:44:43.000 They're just, you just think about things deeply and you ask these questions.

02:44:48.000 And when you live that way, you do, you do come to the realization that, man, there's very little that I actually know when we define the word or the idea of knowing something.

02:45:03.000 And even scripture tells us any man that thinks he knows anything hasn't known as he ought to know.

02:45:10.000 In other words, as soon as you think you have the answers to most things, you are totally backwards.

02:45:17.000 You haven't known.

02:45:18.000 The ultimate form, I think one of the ultimate forms of knowledge or knowing is realizing that you really don't know much.

02:45:26.000 Absolutely.

02:45:27.000 But it's just funny that you talked about that and that was some of the advice I received.

02:45:33.000 But if you only talk about the things you know.

02:45:35.000 Talk about what you know.

02:45:36.000 Yeah, but the problem with that is like you're never going to get anywhere.

02:45:39.000 You've got to be able to, yeah, man, it's people's perspective of what you've built here and what you do and what you've accomplished, I think it's just so skewed, like just based off of some of the conversations I had.

02:46:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:04.000 Well, it's always going to get weird when anything gets large.

02:46:07.000 You know, people have their own opinions and their own perceptions of things that are successful.

02:46:13.000 Why do you keep going at this point?

02:46:15.000 It's fun.

02:46:16.000 You enjoy it.

02:46:17.000 I like it.

02:46:17.000 Yeah.

02:46:17.000 That's good.

02:46:18.000 Yeah, I like it.

02:46:19.000 I enjoy it.

02:46:20.000 It's enriching.

02:46:21.000 I like talking to people.

02:46:22.000 I like learning new things.

02:46:25.000 I like having interesting conversations, fun conversations.

02:46:28.000 What was your first kind of big break as a podcaster?

02:46:34.000 As a pod?

02:46:35.000 I mean, just in general, as someone who's public.

02:46:41.000 I guess the big one was Fear Factor.

02:46:44.000 You know, that was the one that kind of made me famous.

02:46:46.000 But what led you there?

02:46:48.000 I was on a TV show before that called News Radio.

02:46:50.000 It was a sitcom.

02:46:51.000 Okay.

02:46:52.000 I was on that.

02:46:52.000 And before that, I was a stand-up comic.

02:46:55.000 And, you know, my trajectory has been very slow, which is good.

02:47:00.000 It's healthier for you.

02:47:02.000 You get it better.

02:47:04.000 Like, you can deal with it.

02:47:05.000 Because the worst thing that ever happens is like a 20-year-old kid becomes super famous. 1.00

02:47:10.000 You're just fucked. 1.00

02:47:11.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:47:12.000 You're not going to be able to handle that. 1.00

02:47:14.000 You're going to be off the rails.

02:47:15.000 It's just too weird.

02:47:17.000 The world is a totally different place.

02:47:19.000 Everybody knows who you are everywhere you go.

02:47:21.000 Everyone around you needs you. 1.00

02:47:24.000 So you have all these talking heads around you that are kissing your ass. 1.00

02:47:27.000 Your perception of the world is completely distorted. 1.00

02:47:30.000 You never had to truly develop your character.

02:47:34.000 You've got untold wealth in your teens.

02:47:37.000 You can't handle that.

02:47:38.000 Nobody can handle that.

02:47:39.000 No child stars ever make it out and seem normal. 1.00

02:47:42.000 They're all fucked. 1.00

02:47:43.000 It's like cement where you mix it wrong. 1.00

02:47:46.000 There's not enough waters, not enough sand, whatever it is.

02:47:49.000 The formulation's wrong.

02:47:50.000 You're never going to fix it.

02:47:51.000 You're never going to fix it after the fact.

02:47:52.000 It's already formed.

02:47:54.000 And it's a tragedy.

02:47:56.000 But to get fame slowly, as long as you're always working on your character, and one of the things that will keep you sane when you're going through fame in particular is voluntary adversity.

02:48:14.000 Like, particularly working out.

02:48:16.000 Man, that's good, brother.

02:48:17.000 I can relate to that, man.

02:48:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:48:18.000 I know you're big into ultra running and that kind of voluntary advert.

02:48:23.000 I saw you took up jiu-jitsu recently, too, right?

02:48:26.000 That looked fun. 0.97

02:48:27.000 It's fucking tiring, huh? 0.95

02:48:29.000 For a guy with the kind of endurance that you have. 0.97

02:48:31.000 Isn't it amazing how tired he is?

02:48:33.000 It was rough, dude.

02:48:35.000 Bad rough.

02:48:37.000 Yeah.

02:48:37.000 Jiu-Jitsu is humiliating.

02:48:39.000 It's humbling.

02:48:40.000 But there's a lot of power in that humbling.

02:48:44.000 It makes the rest of your life so much easier.

02:48:47.000 It really does.

02:48:48.000 Jiu-Jitsu was a huge factor in my sanity and my ability to stay sane through everything.

02:48:55.000 I'm getting humbled all the time.

02:48:57.000 I'm exhausted all the time.

02:48:59.000 Dudes are strangling me all the time.

02:49:03.000 so that kind of conflict was so overwhelming, but yet also positive and helped me so much with character development, my understanding of myself, and what I was able to accomplish if I worked hard enough.

02:49:20.000 It allows you to navigate the weird waters of fame so much easier.

02:49:26.000 That's really impactful to hear you say that, Joe, because I think that is and has been my exact same experience, you know.

02:49:35.000 And I've been kind of public for the last five years now, and it's been kind of slow, but again, it kind of went big there for like within two years.

02:49:49.000 Like the YouTube and stuff blew up to the point that I'm nowhere, obviously, on the level that you experience in your life, but you can't go out in public without somebody's going to stop you.

02:49:59.000 But you're at the level where I know who you are.

02:50:01.000 In all these comments and all this stuff, you know what I mean?

02:50:04.000 But like continuously choosing to do these challenges that, like, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to do it.

02:50:15.000 Like the Yukon race, the Yukon 1000, we didn't finish that.

02:50:20.000 We went 435 miles and David started having circulation issues in his lower body because he's paralyzed.

02:50:29.000 Blood doesn't flow very well.

02:50:32.000 And like his leg is usually the size just of his femur, you know, or his bones.

02:50:38.000 And by the third day, his legs were the same size as my legs.

02:50:42.000 And he started to develop these pressure sores on his butt, which is very, very dangerous for people who are paralyzed just from sitting in that kayak for 18 hours a day.

02:50:54.000 But like we didn't, we didn't complete that.

02:51:01.000 But we were out there like truly in the, in truly in wilderness, like struggling against not only the miles, but just the environment.

02:51:16.000 Like I love to hear all these hippie people talk about Mother Earth. 0.96

02:51:20.000 It's like Mother Earth will freaking kill you, son. 0.98

02:51:24.000 You talk about Mother Earth around me. 0.99

02:51:26.000 That tells me one thing.

02:51:27.000 You ain't spent much time in nature.

02:51:29.000 Exactly.

02:51:30.000 But man, we're out there just like struggling through this.

02:51:33.000 And it became something that for my teammate, he physically wasn't in a place that he could safely continue.

02:51:45.000 But like that so refreshed me, dude.

02:51:50.000 Yeah.

02:51:50.000 Being out there, the experience, the struggle, it's brutal, man.

02:51:57.000 Like 120, 130 mile days, 18 hour days in this kayaks.

02:52:01.000 You're getting three hours of sleep, having to cook all your food.

02:52:05.000 It's all self-contained.

02:52:07.000 But like I come out the other end of that, man, I'm just like so dialed in, dude.

02:52:13.000 Yeah.

02:52:14.000 Without those experiences, I agree with you 100%, man.

02:52:19.000 I think all men need voluntary adversity. 1.00

02:52:22.000 I think you need it.

02:52:23.000 I think that's one of the reasons why people are so filled with anxiety and depression.

02:52:27.000 And I think you need to challenge yourself all the time.

02:52:30.000 And I think it needs to be physical.

02:52:32.000 I think it's not just a mental thing.

02:52:33.000 I think people need physical challenge.

02:52:35.000 I think it's a very important part for maintaining sanity.

02:52:39.000 It is for me, for sure.

02:52:41.000 I have to have something, you know, on the micro level daily.

02:52:45.000 On the macro level, I have to have maybe two things, big things a year that I look at and I'm like, I don't know if I can actually finish that or not.

02:52:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:52:59.000 And then it forces me to train, to learn, to prepare, to plan.

02:53:07.000 That's when you get, if we want to move toward mental toughness and how this kind of preps you and keeps you going through life, like that's where all the mental toughness is really built is through the training process.

02:53:19.000 Like on race day, you shouldn't be getting any more mentally tough on race day.

02:53:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:53:26.000 Yeah, you waited too long.

02:53:28.000 Yeah.

02:53:28.000 But your brain is just a muscle like any other muscle in my experience.

02:53:33.000 Yeah.

02:53:35.000 If you stop exercising it and people want to act like there are people out there, maybe like me or like David Goggins or these people that have become so mentally tough that we're just good.

02:53:51.000 Like we should be able to show up anywhere, anytime and perform and just crush everyone.

02:53:57.000 That's not how it works.

02:53:59.000 Like every one of us, we have to prepare and train and train day in and day out and go through the process in order to perform.

02:54:10.000 That's a never-ending thing.

02:54:13.000 But people want to believe that you can just become mentally tough and then possess that and perform for the rest of your life.

02:54:20.000 They want to believe that because they don't want to do the work that's required to actually perform at a high, high level.

02:54:29.000 You know, it's almost like an out that people want to take or believe in.

02:54:35.000 Well, listen, man, I'm glad you're out there.

02:54:38.000 I appreciate you very much.

02:54:39.000 I appreciate you coming in and doing the show.

02:54:41.000 And 3 of 7 projects on YouTube.

02:54:44.000 You want anything else?

02:54:45.000 Just 3of7project.com.

02:54:47.000 If you want to come train with us, that's what, I mean, that's my passion in life is not only my faith, but teaching.

02:54:53.000 And everything that we do is we have training exercises, you know, once a month or something.

02:55:00.000 And I'm out there with you, suffering with you.

02:55:02.000 Beautiful.

02:55:03.000 And go check it out if you want to come hang out.

02:55:06.000 And Joe, man, I can't thank you enough for your generosity. 0.97

02:55:09.000 There's many times during that conversation that you could have made me look like a fool, I'm sure.

02:55:15.000 You had a lot of grace for me, Joe. 0.83

02:55:17.000 I enjoyed it very much.

02:55:17.000 Thank you very much.

02:55:20.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 31, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2358 - Chadd Wright

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