In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and I talk about the benefits of growing your own food in your own soil and the challenges of living in a city like Austin, Texas. We talk about what it's like to grow food in the city, what it s like to live in a big city, and how we should grow food organically.
00:01:18.000You know, yeah, that stuff is everywhere.
00:01:21.000I mean, it's never going to go anywhere because, you know, when I was in the Navy, I lived in Virginia and we moved out to a rural community.
00:01:29.000And they grew corn and soybeans primarily in the fields and nothing else would grow in that dirt.
00:01:35.000Like you could walk the rows of those crops, you know, and there would not be a single weed growing in the field.
00:01:43.000Nothing would grow except for the genetically modified seed or whatever they put out there.
00:02:20.000And it's a great episode to educate people on how much time it takes to take an industrial farm and convert it to regenerative agriculture.
00:03:02.000And then it's gotten so far that like to turn it around and try to feed all the people that we have established here in this country in places where nobody's growing food, it's like it's almost impossible.
00:03:13.000It's almost like they're stuck with this system of industrialized farming.
00:03:18.000Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's being here in Austin, you know, I don't go to the city much.
00:03:24.000I live on 700 acres in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.
00:03:28.000And I come here to the city and, you know, you see the result of packing so many human beings into one area.
00:03:37.000Yeah, how are you going to feed them people?
00:03:39.000Other than the way that we figured out how to do it.
00:03:42.000I mean, how are you going to feed them?
00:04:25.000The smell reminds me slightly of Lagos, Nigeria, which it's 100X in Lagos.
00:04:34.000It literally burns your eyes and your nose to breathe the air there.
00:04:38.000But even in Austin, I can kind of smell this sour, you know, and then I'm looking at these poor people, man, like these people laying on these park benches and all this stuff.
00:04:50.000And I'm like, it just makes you think, it makes you wonder the human's propensity to stoop lower than an animal.
00:05:02.000Like we have the propensity as human to stoop lower than an animal.
00:07:01.000Yeah, it's a chaotic environment, and you get used to anything.
00:07:04.000And people that live there get used to it.
00:07:06.000They don't know what real peace is like.
00:07:08.000You know, like when I would tell people why I like mountain hunting, I'd be like, man, it's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.
00:07:15.000You get out in there in the mountains and you smell that clean air and you just feel it.
00:07:19.000Your whole body just goes, ah, this is so much better.
00:07:24.000This is so much better to live like this.
00:08:12.000But I guess you can become accustomed to it.
00:08:14.000Well, people in New York City have to become accustomed to it, and they actually like it.
00:08:18.000They like that feeling of sensory overload.
00:08:20.000But everybody that I know that likes that is fairly unhealthy.
00:08:23.000I don't know any like real fit, healthy, active people that really enjoy that environment.
00:08:29.000So why, why do you understand you love what you do, but I mean, you could build a studio somewhere out in the out in the mountains somewhere.
00:08:56.000I mean, what you've done, man, is so cool.
00:08:59.000I tell people all the time, if you ever have the opportunity to go and see someone who is the best in the world at what they do, take that opportunity.
00:09:10.000Whether it's a runner, a fighter, a kayaker, or a podcaster.
00:09:17.000Like, it's so cool to be here and to get to witness what you do, how you do it, the level that you go to to make all this happen.
00:10:34.000And you were talking about like have a truck that will fucking, like, no matter what, will work.
00:10:40.000Like, if they throw EMP pulses in the air and kill all the electronics, which is people don't understand.
00:10:47.000Like every car everyone is driving has a fucking computer in it.
00:10:51.000And if something goes on, there's some sort of a power grid failure or some sort of a solar flare that knocks out electronics, it could knock out your fucking car.
00:11:38.000And like I said, my favorite part about driving the Land Cruiser is that it makes people smile.
00:11:44.000I'm not a very funny guy, you know, so there's not many, I don't get many opportunities to make human beings smile, but I can drive this Land Cruiser and people look at it and point at it, and they're smiling.
00:11:56.000And like that just, that's cool to me.
00:13:49.000I don't kill all the squirrels that we tree either.
00:13:54.000Really, since a young age, I was introduced to hunting with dogs, tree dogs specifically.
00:14:03.000And there was something about a tree dog that just stirred this passion within me.
00:14:13.000It is the only thing that has stuck with me from childhood, young childhood.
00:14:20.000The first tree dog I ever walked to, I mean, I was, I didn't even know, I probably shouldn't even have been in the woods, but I followed my uncle to a coonhound tree down in a swamp.
00:14:31.000And it just, even at that age, it just stirred something in me like, this is some sort of primal instinct of partnering with this dog in this chase.
00:15:16.000And over the course, I'm hoping over the course of the next 30 years or so, I can breed in these specific characteristics of this type of dog that I value.
00:16:27.000And they wanted to put a hunt on for a veteran.
00:16:31.000So they partnered with an outfitter called G3 Outfitters, and they bought a tag, and for some odd reason, they selected me as their veteran that they want to take out on an elk hunt.
00:16:44.000Now, I've always wanted the elk hunt, man.
00:16:46.000I've just, you know, I've just never made it happen.
00:16:48.000There's a lot that goes into it, as you know.
00:16:51.000And so they're taking me to New Mexico.
00:16:55.000They bought some tag from a landowner, and they're going to take me out there elk hunting.
00:17:10.000Yeah, New Mexico's got some crazy genetics, too.
00:17:15.000There's a guy who explained this to me, that there's really two different, besides like Tule elk and Roosevelt elk, there's Rocky Mountain elk and then there's Yellowstone elk.
00:17:26.000And the Yellowstone elk are an older breed that has a larger antlers, a bigger animal.
00:17:31.000And you find a lot of those in Arizona and you find a lot of those in New Mexico.
00:17:37.000So where we're hunting at is right, it is on the border of Arizona and New Mexico.
00:17:42.000Yeah, so I bet you have great genetics out there.
00:17:45.000You know what, man, I can't believe it.
00:17:48.000I can't believe this is the first, my going to be my first elk hunt.
00:18:12.000It's most effective, most efficient way to hunt, but there's something about having to get inside, you know, 70, 80 yards, sneaking up, executing a perfect shot.
00:18:30.000My wife, a couple years ago, bought me that RX-7 with the carbon fiber riser.
00:18:37.000I always wanted a bow with a carbon riser because I remember hunting so many hunts in the southeast, whitetail hunts, walking into the stand and your hand just getting so cold.
00:20:34.000The draw cycle's so smooth and they're so dead in the hand when you fire them.
00:20:38.000And those parallel limbs and they're so short and compact.
00:20:41.000You know, the old bows we used to shoot back in the day, the old Vipertex and all that from Hoyt and Matthews had the old SQ2s and Q2s and they were just long and unwieldy in the stand.
00:20:56.000And, you know, you can make, like you said, 100-yard shots now with a compound bow.
00:21:04.000Back then, I mean, there wasn't nobody shooting them bows at 100 yards.
00:23:11.000Well, then I'd wait for them to go lay down, and then you had to move on that mule deer and use the terrain, put the terrain between you and him.
00:24:11.000That was the closest I got to killing one.
00:24:13.000But if I would have just laid there with that longbow and been patient and waited for him to stand up off his bed, I could have drew and shot him right there.
00:24:46.000There was no indication that he knew I was there other than when he saw me peek my head over the rock and stand up and tear out of there, you know.
00:24:55.000They're the most difficult to hunt because they're just dealing with mountain lions all day long.
00:24:59.000And they're just always like, and they'll jump the string quicker than any animal.
00:25:04.000Other than like, the craziest ones are Axis deer.
00:25:47.000It's one of the things with those animals, like you're sometimes better off taking a long shot than a close shot because they hear that bow go off and they just duck and go.
00:25:55.000I mean, they're not trying to duck under your arrow.
00:25:58.000What they're trying to do is load up Their weapons or load up their legs rather get super low so they can launch themselves forward and get on.
00:26:06.000They're just trying to take off as quickly as possible, and that means dropping down.
00:26:10.000And when they drop down, arrows go right over them.
00:26:12.000But this one was so fast within 10 yards, he was nowhere near the arrow.
00:27:29.000Like, I guess the way they would farm pineapples, they would put like a layer of plastic down and then the soil would be above the plastic.
00:27:46.000And these animals are, you'll like, you'll sit on the top of a hill and look down on a field and you might see 600 Axis deer wandering around this field.
00:28:25.000It's a great, if you have a rifle, it's a no-brainer.
00:28:28.000It's like you're 100% going to get a deer.
00:28:31.000But if you've got a bow, I mean, I went out there with Cam Haynes and Remy Warren and Adam Greentry and all these just like bona fide killers who like world-class hunters.
00:30:37.000Yeah, I'm just not much of a cook, man.
00:30:39.000I watched you cook a steak on a Traeger, and I was like, listen, the way to cook a steak on a Traeger is you can cook a steak on a Traeger.
00:30:47.000Like, you could cook, like, if you have a roast, like, you can cook a good roast on a Traeger, but the reality is you need to be able to sear it.
00:30:54.000And so you can't really sear things on a Traeger.
00:37:03.000And about the time that bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of that dog because the dog was my only chance to run this bear out of our vicinity.
00:39:34.000You know, if you get them and they've been eating like a dead moose and, you know, they've been feasting on that for a couple weeks, and then it's rotten, and they just, they stink, and it's not good.
00:41:23.000This is a new school of traditional cookery.
00:41:26.000So Jesse will take people and he'll take them out there, teach them how to hunt, teach them everything about it, how to stalk an animal, how to dress the game, how to cook it and prepare it, and what the cuts you're looking for.
00:45:07.000Like, I don't know, man, it just gives me the daggone chills thinking about it.
00:45:11.000And the crazy thing is, is the type of person I used to be, I would have thought, you know, going and sitting with someone who's dying is a waste of time.
00:45:22.000Like, I got other things to do, right?
00:46:49.000Took a lot of courage for me to go show up in front of him and sit down with him and say, Mr. Don, I'm sorry I haven't been the friend to you that you deserve.
00:47:27.000We read about the gospel and we read about the resurrection and we read about creation.
00:47:34.000And, you know, we don't, the first thing that you learn, I think, when you sit with somebody that's dying is that death is the great foe that sits above mankind and scoffs at our wisdom.
00:51:16.000And with all the different modalities, all the different things you could do, like hyperbaric treatments, NMN, supplementation, red light therapy, cold plunge, sauna, all these different things radically change the composition of your body and your overall metabolic health.
00:51:35.000And then with hormone therapy and all the other different things that you can do, I mean, it's just because of science and because of people figuring these things out, it's a radically different world than it was in the past.
00:52:06.000They're treating aging as a disease and trying to figure out what different types of medication, what different types of therapies, what's the root cause of the cells aging and not reproducing correctly.
00:53:13.000But yeah, man, just sitting with him makes me contemplate these things.
00:53:18.000And for me, obviously, because of my worldview being shaped by Scripture, it makes me go to Scripture and bounce these questions off of the scriptures, you know.
00:53:30.000And even I think it was powerful too because, you know, I'm sitting with a man who's important to me, who is bearing this burden of death.
00:53:46.000It was amazing to me that I could go and sit with him and he would talk to me and take time to spend with me even in the midst of this terrible process that he was going through.
00:53:58.000I told him, I said, you could have just laid there on this bed and not said a word to anybody and nobody would have blamed you.
00:54:16.000But then, you know, he had these same questions that I'm thinking, like, why does this have to happen?
00:54:23.000You know, and then for me then to have to go and search the scriptures and then come to him with the scriptures and share the scriptures with him to, you know, give him some of the answers that he had.
00:54:39.000You know, it's like I would read a scripture to him and he would say, because again, Mr. Don had a strong faith in the message of what we call the gospel, but he didn't know all the other stuff because he couldn't read.
00:55:00.000So I would read a scripture to him and then he would say, read another one.
00:57:44.000This veil between this realm and the next realm was getting thin.
00:57:50.000And he was taking in the truth of this word and processing it logically at a level that I can't process it because this veil for us is still so thin unless you hit that DMT, right?
00:59:04.000His whole left side of his body was paralyzed.
00:59:06.000And so he was just, you know, he couldn't sit up or do anything.
00:59:12.000And then finally, at the very end, when he passed away, he literally sits up out of, he sits up erect out of his hospital bed, reaches both of his hands straight up like this, and then lays back down and departs the tent.
01:01:01.000Weeks before their death, when they're able to tell us what they're seeing.
01:01:05.000When they're able to tell us about these visions, they're almost always above them or up in the corner of the room.
01:01:11.000But sometimes as they get closer to the end of life and they're no longer able to communicate, we start seeing them reach into the air.
01:01:19.000So I'm convinced that when they are reaching into the air, they are reaching towards those people who they love, who have died before them.
01:01:29.000This woman's not a believer, as far as I know.
01:01:33.000I don't think, I don't know what her, you know, how her worldview is in terms of what happens after this, but she's just sitting here showing you saying, hey, this happens.
01:01:49.000Obviously, for me, when I see that happening, when Mr. Don sits up in the bed, even though he's literally paralyzed by a stroke, he sits, it's an impossibility.
01:02:03.000He sits up in his bed and reaches both hands in the air and then lays down and departs the tent.
01:02:11.000What do I, I have to believe that like his transportation had arrived.
01:02:43.000And the thing is, people have this arrogant assumption, and this is a lot of based on academics and science and this belief that we have all the answers to reality when we don't even really understand consciousness.
01:03:41.000And just an amazing, interesting, very, very intelligent guy.
01:03:46.000And the last time he was on the podcast, he was telling us a story about he had a medical emergency, some sort of, it was like an artery burst, right, Jamie?
01:03:56.000Something inside of his abdomen, and he was bleeding out on the inside, and he was dying.
01:04:02.000And he got to the hospital and had this near-death experience, that like very, very vivid experience, interacting with his father, like just beyond anything that he would have ever comprehended, and came back with a completely different perspective on life and death and like what this is and where that there is something else.
01:04:25.000And people that have had near-death experiences or died and been resuscitated, they come back with the same fucking story over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
01:04:40.000There's different interpretations of what they're seeing, but it all fits within the same framework.
01:04:45.000It all fits within a framework that this is, there's something there.
01:04:48.000Did you see the video of this kid a couple weeks ago?
01:05:36.000And I don't even need all these signs and wonders.
01:05:39.000Like, I don't even need all that, man.
01:05:41.000I mean, it's great when you get the opportunity to witness things like I got to witness with my friend, Mr. Dawn, and just see his faith and see that the word manifest power in him.
01:05:52.000Like, it's great when you get to see it, but you can get too carried away with all that stuff, too.
01:07:46.000And the only way that we can or will ever believe that, like truly place our faith in that and everything that's contained in that statement right there, because there's a lot there, you could literally spend the rest of your life meditating on that right there, the gospel, the what was done on the cross and by way of the resurrection of Christ.
01:08:41.000These things must be spiritually appraised.
01:08:45.000And so the Almighty, by his grace, makes you alive, literally spiritually alive, so that then you can discern the truth of not only the gospel, but everything, the totality of what is contained in Scripture.
01:10:12.000Like, literally, I prayed for you last night.
01:10:16.000Like, I literally, on your behalf, I begged the Almighty to basically make you alive spiritually so that you could have discernment and be able to appraise these things that are in scripture that have seemed like foolishness for so long to you.
01:10:45.000We're talking about a bunch of wild stuff, man.
01:10:47.000Can I take you back while we're in the middle of this?
01:10:49.000I'd like to take you back to how you got on this journey of being a podcaster and then to that.
01:10:55.000Because I want to know, like, what is the transition from the seals to becoming this guy who's very outspoken on YouTube and starts putting these videos out and things get interesting?
01:11:07.000And then you very, very religious and spreading that in your YouTube as well.
01:11:13.000Like, how did this whole journey get started for you?
01:11:17.000Well, I decided I wanted to become a SEAL because I wasn't really good at anything else in life and I, you know, didn't want to go back to school and all that stuff.
01:11:28.000That's a whole long story, but I decided I wanted to do that.
01:11:35.000They disqualified me, sent me back home after boot camp, wouldn't let me go to Buds, told me I never would be able to become a SEAL because I had a pericardial cyst on my heart, seven centimeter cyst on my heart.
01:11:47.000You can look it up, Research Navy SEAL Paracardial Cyst.
01:11:50.000You can read the whole medical journal.
01:11:53.000Came back home, paid for my own heart surgery as a civilian, showed back up in the Navy less than a year later, made it all the way through SEAL training unscathed.
01:13:12.000The instructor Cadre said, you're the one that's going to make it.
01:13:15.000I was actually the only one to ever receive that award to make it through that training pipeline.
01:13:20.000Everyone else they had selected up until that point all quit.
01:13:23.000But they selected me not based on my physical abilities, but based on the fact that I had had a dang heart surgery just to have a chance to toe the line to try something that everybody quits anyways.
01:13:38.000So did you train for the SEAL training?
01:13:40.000Did you give yourself enough time to get physically fit?
01:13:43.000After that heart surgery, when I went in the first time, I could barely pass the physical standards test that I needed to pass to get the SEAL contract.
01:13:50.000If I would have went straight through and wouldn't have had that heart surgery, there's no way I would have made it.
01:13:55.000I wouldn't have been able to meet the physical standards once I actually got to Buds.
01:13:59.000But when I had that heart surgery, and then I finally got to where I could, you know, okay, man, at that point, I wanted it so bad because I had to go through all that.
01:15:01.000Basically, man, I got to my SEAL team and they had slaughtered our entire team to cover down on Africa and a couple other European countries.
01:15:18.000And I got so pissed because I'm like, there's a war happening.
01:19:58.000So we went up there, re-secured the embassy.
01:20:01.000We came back, we left there and came back to Germany to rejock our equipment because that mission was over in Tunisia.
01:20:12.000Came back to Germany to rejock and then we were going out to Nigeria.
01:20:16.000And while we were in Germany, the only way for me to tell you this in just simple terms is we were staying in a barracks that was inhabited by some sort of demon.
01:20:34.000And that was the genesis of my conversion, of me being made aware that, okay.
01:20:44.000So when you say it's inhabited by a demon, like in what way?
01:20:47.000So I was in there with a couple of other guys.
01:20:49.000I wish I would have wrote all this down.
01:20:53.000I was laying in bed one night in this place.
01:20:58.000There was nobody else in this building.
01:21:08.000Well, I'm laying in bed and all of a sudden I'm jolted awake by something that hits my door.
01:21:16.000And I lay in bed for maybe 30 seconds and while I'm laying there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing up and down the hall of this building that we're in.
01:21:31.000And so immediately I get up, open the door, walk out.
01:22:43.000And so, but like I remember walking into this place and there was a stairwell.
01:22:48.000I would walk up the first flight of stairs and then there would be a second flight that cut back and there was like a landing up there because we were staying on the second deck.
01:22:56.000And like I would, you know as a hunter, like how you have that sense when something is like staring at you.
01:23:06.000Like you would, I would feel this thing staring at me up there on that landing and I would fully expect to turn around and see some sort of something up there.
01:23:20.000We started doing this research online about, you know, looking at these forms and stuff about this place that we were, you know, in and finding all kinds of other stuff about it.
01:23:30.000I'm like, well, whatever is going on here, I can't sleep at night.
01:23:36.000Like, I don't want to be in that place because it's literally scaring me that bad.
01:23:44.000And the sanity check was the dudes I was with were getting freaked out too.
01:23:52.000And like, I wish I would have talked to them and written down the things that they were specifically experiencing.
01:27:58.000I'm just telling you, like, what I remember that experience as, and it impacted me so much that it changed the trajectory of my entire life.
01:28:08.000And the next morning we woke up, and my buddy woke up in the room.
01:28:16.000And I looked up and that little dab of olive oil had somehow like dripped down and covered the entire door of the room that we were staying in.
01:28:29.000And you could see it toward the bottom of the door, like the drips, like the whole door was like shiny.
01:28:36.000And he said, what's all over the door?
01:28:40.000And I said, don't worry about it, man.
01:29:11.000And again, I'm not big on this whole spiritual warfare thing.
01:29:18.000But after that happened, all that happened, no more nothing in this place, I said, I have got to get my hands on scripture and figure out more about this figure, Jesus, who I heard this man praying in the name of, right?
01:29:42.000Because obviously there was some power being wielded there by the name of Jesus in prayer.
01:29:55.000I started reading in the book of Matthew.
01:29:57.000I began, again, through this, this was obviously the experience that the Almighty had chosen to call me out of darkness into the marvelous light of his truth.
01:30:24.000Like, what the crap is this trying to say to me here?
01:30:29.000I began to read in the book of Matthew, and I began to, well, for the first time in my life, I realized how all of that applied to me as the hopeless, wicked, ugly, depraved human being that I like my mind was awakened to my own state.
01:30:56.000I didn't realize how ugly and depraved I was.
01:31:00.000Like when I passed up on my friend and he killed himself, like I didn't think nothing of that.
01:31:05.000I just had this revelation of who I was and why I so needed something to save me from that.
01:31:24.000And when I had that revelation, literally by the grace of God opening my, making me spiritually alive, able to discern the scriptures, when I had that revelation, I read about Jesus, his life, his death, why he died according to the scriptures, his resurrection, what that means for me.
01:31:58.000Like literally, I was made a new creature overnight.
01:32:04.000It's the greatest miracle that God the Almighty could ever work is taking somebody like me who was literally so useless, making me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking up the next day and being
01:32:28.000completely changed in how I see the world, how I see myself, how I see the words on these pages, how I see the creator of the cosmos.
01:32:46.000Like nothing else that I have experienced in life produced that amount of change nearly instantaneously.
01:32:56.000And I'll never forget walking down into the little platoon hut like the next day after having this revelation of the gospel and what it means for me and who I am.
01:33:54.000And that was the, ultimately, more so than the whole thing that was going on in the barracks and the guy saying the prayer and this thing leaving.
01:34:07.000Like that experience of being made a new creature and the realization of what on earth just has happened to me.
01:34:17.000That was the thing and is the thing that I cling to so tightly.
01:34:25.000Like nothing else could have produced that type of change in me but the grace of God and the revelation that he's given me of who I am and who he is.
01:34:42.000And then, as you go, this has been from then to now just a long and arduous, sometimes joyful, but process of sanctification, essentially.
01:35:04.000One of the things that I pray most often is for the Holy Spirit to conform me into the likeness and image of Jesus Christ at all cost.
01:35:35.000And that process of sanctification is ongoing.
01:35:39.000My understanding of the Scriptures is ongoing and progressive even still to this day and hopefully to the very day that I depart this tent.
01:36:25.000But what I realize is that if I could possibly depart from this faith that I have in the Almighty, if I could possibly even depart from that faith, what would I have?
01:37:06.000faith has had a real transformative result on you as a human being now if there was nothing to this if this is all nonsense and there was a method that you could use just some sort of a way of viewing the world that would instantaneously change the way you see yourself and see Everything.
01:37:31.000Wouldn't that method be explored and wouldn't that be taught?
01:37:37.000Like, if this is the thing that brought you to who you are now, that's a real thing.
01:37:46.000Regardless of whether or not anybody wants to believe in Jesus Christ or believe in the resurrection or believe in the gospels, it works.
01:37:56.000Like this, that's the thing about Christians, like real Christians, and I've been very fortunate to meet a bunch of them.
01:38:03.000I had a weird journey in religion myself because I went to Catholic school when I was in first grade and it kind of ruined me.
01:39:18.000You have the problem with it going from ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and to all these different languages.
01:39:26.000And then you have the problem with spiritual narcissism.
01:39:28.000So you have the people that are the conveyors of the message who take on these powers themselves that are above normal men and control people by, you know, before Martin Luther came around and made a phonetic version of the Bible, very few people could read and very few people could read Latin.
01:40:35.000I think they were trying, they were writing something down.
01:40:39.000One of the things that I learned from Wes Huff, Wesley Huff, who's a biblical scholar who's been on the podcast, he told me that the book of Isaiah, when they find it, they found a version of it in the Dead Sea Scrolls that is identical word to word for a version of it that they found a thousand years later.
01:41:03.000Not only that, but what about the content of Isaiah?
01:41:08.000What about Isaiah 53 as it describes the suffering servant, how it literally outlines the life and death of Jesus Christ, and it was written, what, 400 years before the crucifixion?
01:41:27.000Like even the content of Isaiah, not only the accuracy of the translation and the accuracy over that span of time when you compare copies, but even the content of it.
01:41:39.000How did this prophet write this thing about this person?
01:41:43.000And it was fulfilled perfectly, literally to a T by the person of Jesus Christ hundreds of years later.
01:41:53.000So, and by the way, man, like, I'm not telling you or anyone listening to this, what we call testimony, like what the Lord's given me experientially in life to share with other people.
01:42:09.000I'm not telling you this to convince you of anything.
01:42:13.000Like, there's nothing that I can say to convince you in the truth of the gospel.
01:44:11.000When you're dead, if we had a dead man laying on the floor right here and I said, Dead man, hearken unto my voice.
01:44:22.000There is a hospital a mile down the road.
01:44:26.000And if you'll get up and walk to that hospital or you'll allow me to take you to that hospital, they'll shock you and bring you back to life.
01:44:34.000Is he going to respond to that message?
01:45:41.000We, God's people, the whole purpose of our existence is for us to be presented to Jesus Christ as his own people who will glorify him for all of eternity.
01:46:06.000The whole saga that was determined by the sovereign and immutable will of the Father, it can be changed.
01:46:16.000The whole saga, the only purpose of it all is to present this, I can't say this word real well, peculiar, peculiar people to the Son as a bride, an offering, to glorify the Son for all of eternity.
01:46:35.000The whole saga is to lift up and glorify Jesus Christ.
01:46:43.000It's the only purpose for me even being saved.
01:47:25.000Why would I want to, if I wrote this story, would it not give me something to cling to?
01:47:33.000If I wrote the story, would it not give me some other purpose than just being offered up as a bride to the glorification of the Son, Jesus Christ?
01:47:47.000Like, if I wrote that story, wouldn't I write it differently than that?
01:47:55.000I would leave myself something to cling to.
01:47:58.000Surely this salvation means something more than just that I am part of this special people now being offered up as a bride to Christ.
01:48:11.000Surely there's something that I can do in this life, a choice that I can make to believe in this.
01:48:20.000Like surely I have the power to make that choice.
01:48:25.000But if I had the power to make the choice to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ in and of myself, then that salvation would be coming from me.
01:48:49.000When you realize you don't even have the power of choice.
01:48:55.000So you believe it has to be that this wisdom has to enter you somehow?
01:49:02.000You are entered by what Scripture calls the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God who comes and dwells in you.
01:49:11.000And that is the entity that makes you spiritually alive and gives you the ability to appraise the Scripture's essentially spiritual things because before that it's foolishness.
01:49:23.000Have you ever paid any attention to the Shroud of Turin?
01:49:29.000I've just seen it pop up, you know, as I scroll through.
01:49:33.000Well, they used to dismiss it because they used to say they did a carbon date on it and it was only 500 years old.
01:49:40.000But they've since made some revisions to that.
01:49:43.000There's a lot of people that believe because of the wear of the cloth, the age of the cloth, and I think they've done subsequent tests that place it around 2,000 years old, which is really fascinating.
01:49:56.000The other thing that's fascinating is they didn't even know what the image completely was until someone took photographs of it and then looked at the negatives.
01:50:07.000And in the negatives, then you get this image of Jesus.
01:50:11.000Not just Jesus, but with the scars and the markings on his back, the part of his body where he's pierced, the piercings on the wrists.
01:50:22.000And they really do believe that this thing is 2,000 years old.
01:50:25.000And the other thing that's strange is they have no explanation as to how that image was created.
01:50:30.000They think that image was created somehow from some sort of a burst of energy.
01:50:34.000It's not stained, it's not dyed, and it's not something that's easily reproduced, especially if you think about the timeline.
01:50:42.000If this is supposedly a forgery, like, how would they make an image that would only show up in a negative?
01:50:50.000And what would be the motivation to fake this in this manner?
01:50:55.000See if you can get some photos of what it looks like, Jamie.
01:50:57.000You know what I love about what you're saying, Joe?
01:51:00.000It's just, it's so amazing how the Almighty works in each of us differently.
01:52:49.000You know what's interesting to me about the body of Christ, the physical body, like is being transposed onto that shroud, whether it's real or not.
01:55:33.000That's why I wonder about that DMT stuff.
01:55:37.000We lost something in our brain that originally allowed us to see into this other realm and converse with this almighty being.
01:55:48.000We lost the ability to do that because of sin.
01:55:53.000Which brings me to the body of Christ.
01:55:55.000The interesting thing about the body, physical body of Jesus Christ, he was the only man, according to Scripture, who ever fulfilled the law of God completely and perfectly, which means his physical body, his literal physical body, was not affected by sin, which is the thing that is causing all of us to die by necessity.
01:56:23.000And I just wonder if that physical body, if the body of Christ, if Christ would have grown to maturity, which he did, which went about when he started his ministry, was full adult maturity, I wonder if he would not have been crucified,
01:56:40.000if he could have lived in that physical body forever, if the aging process would have stopped and he would have never had to die because the effects of sin were not upon him.
01:57:33.000The spirit then re-entered that same body.
01:57:38.000And that body, that same body, rose up and eventually ascended into heaven.
01:57:44.000He took that body with him into this other realm.
01:57:50.000It just makes me wonder what the human body was like in the beginning when we were created perfectly with this mental ability to interact with this other realm, converse with the Almighty, the absence of sin.
01:58:09.000In other words, our genetics were perfect.
01:59:07.000But when I think about evolution, one of the first things that's striking to me is how on earth, well, first of all, consciousness is a big problem.
02:00:13.000How on earth did we go through 3.5 billion years of evolution and being shaped by our environment?
02:00:28.000And here we are after 3.5 billion years and we can't stay around for more than about 75 years and everything around us can kill us.
02:00:40.000Like, if I think about, again, country boy logic here, if I think a 3.5 billion year long process of an organism being shaped by its environment, I would like to hope it would produce something a little better than what we are today.
02:01:00.000What it's produced is pretty fucking extraordinary in comparison to all the other animals.
02:01:29.000There's a timeline when Homo sapiens existed and when they didn't exist before.
02:01:34.000And then there's a bunch of different forms of human.
02:01:36.000There's a bunch of different hominids, a different bunch of, there's, you know, there's Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, there's a ton of them.
02:01:45.000So what we've been able to achieve in this very, relatively speaking, when you think about 3.5 billion, which is a number that you can't really comprehend.
02:03:25.000One of the things that I always wonder when you're reading, particularly the really old texts, When it gets into like the Dead Sea Scrolls, when it gets into the Old Testament, and even stuff that's before that, it's like, what were they trying to remember?
02:03:41.000Because you got to remember, before this stuff was even written down, it was an oral history for about a thousand years.
02:03:54.000I don't think these people were making up myths and fairy tales.
02:03:57.000I think that's a silly way to think about it.
02:04:00.000I think it's much more likely that some immense events had happened over the course of human history, and these people were trying to document it with whatever limited ability to express themselves that they had at the time.
02:04:18.000It's just the problem I always have with all religions is man, the tongue of man, is human beings and our desire to we use hyperbole, we exaggerate, we change times, we change, we write things that make ourselves look better than we should.
02:05:50.000And I think, like I said before, if you do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have a better life.
02:05:58.000If you believe it, you will, and you live by it, you will have a better life.
02:06:04.000But there's that weird jump that you have to make, right?
02:06:09.000There's the weird jump where you have to abandon this critical thinking and logical mind and accept that there's an extreme value in living this way.
02:06:24.000And it hasn't been around for all these years by accident.
02:06:30.000And I really do believe that at the origins, and I just, we all wish we could know.
02:06:49.000I'll tell you what, Joe, I should just let you talk the whole dang podcast, man, because you are so good at just summing stuff up and getting to the root of questions and things.
02:07:02.000And, you know, like, like, you know, you talked about that whole, that, that transition from just like living it out to have a better life to all of a sudden like placing your entire hope in this message of the gospel.
02:07:15.000Like, that's that transition that I was talking about that you can't choose.
02:08:08.000You know, he kind of led me to this ultimate revelation and to this regeneration along the lines of that.
02:08:19.000I have to believe that and I have to hope that he is leading you along this path, specifically the way you're experiencing it, because that's how your mind works, man.
02:08:38.000You want things to be somewhat logical and orderly.
02:08:44.000And, you know, like the Shroud of Turin thing or, you know, any of these other artifacts or the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like, like I can do without knowing about all that and be just fine.
02:08:57.000But according to the way the Almighty made you, maybe you can't do without all that stuff and be just fine because you're different than me.
02:09:39.000Because if you're too busy and your life is too overwhelmed with obligations, and I have a lot of them, but fortunately for me, a lot of my job gives me time, gives me time to think.
02:09:53.000And a lot of these conversations give me time to think.
02:09:55.000And talking to different people with different perspectives, different life experiences, And what they're trying to figure out because we're all trying to figure out what is the purpose of this?
02:11:00.000You can take the Holy Scriptures and you can make anything out of them that you want to make out of them.
02:11:07.000Right, if you want to interpret it in a completely different way.
02:11:10.000You can make anything out of anything.
02:11:12.000And that's where we have these issues.
02:11:18.000You know, people love to point out the hypocrisy in the body of Christ, the visible church, Christians, people who proclaim to be Christians, the hypocrisy of Christians.
02:11:57.000You know, when you think about a rock star, you think about someone who's selling out an arena, right?
02:12:03.000You think about a preacher, you think about like a Joel Olstein type character, unfortunately, because they're more popular than any of the other ones.
02:12:11.000And so that becomes, that's a far, it's on the far spectrum, a fringe figure.
02:12:17.000You know, Rolls-Royce's, private jets, expensive suits, all of it's fucked.
02:12:53.000You know, that's how Kinnison started.
02:12:56.000One of the greatest comedians, if not the greatest of all time, Sam Kinnison, started out as a tent preacher.
02:13:02.000Well, you know, when people like to point out the hypocrisy of Christians, like, I get what you're saying, man, like, and how religion is used to control people in some ways.
02:13:14.000You can make anything out of anything.
02:14:37.000But when I do those things now, the difference is my response to them.
02:14:44.000So, like, I told you how wicked I used to be.
02:14:47.000Well, you know, used to be if I had an argument with my wife, you know, maybe I was rushing out the door and maybe I yelled at my wife and I went out and got my truck and went to work.
02:14:59.000The rest of the day, I would be justifying my yelling at my wife.
02:15:53.000The most accurate way I've heard this described is if you had two plates of food, you know, you had a plate of the finest food and then you had a bucket of garbage.
02:16:28.000He would go eat the garbage before He ate the good stuff.
02:16:32.000And so that pig, he's eating that garbage, and there's this good stuff right here next to him.
02:16:38.000And he's not even ashamed that he's eating that garbage because he's a pig.
02:16:44.000If you had the power to snap your fingers and to turn that pig into a man, that man would then lift his head up out of that garbage and he would look around him and he would be ashamed that he had been eating that garbage.
02:17:07.000And he would depart from that garbage and go to the finer food.
02:18:10.000As a preacher or as a teacher, the closer you preach the true literal word of Scripture in terms of standards, the closer you get to that standard that's portrayed by Scripture, the more of a hypocrite you are going to become because you can't meet it.
02:18:37.000What you're saying, though, this is what I was getting at.
02:18:40.000What you're saying is one of the best examples of the power of being a Christian.
02:18:49.000What I'm talking about is the general perception of people on the outside that don't really maybe don't, maybe hang out mostly in secular circles.
02:19:00.000Maybe they have a bunch of friends that are atheists.
02:19:02.000And they see religion as this big scam.
02:19:06.000And because the most popular versions of religion for a long time is televised religion, you know, that's when you think about people's exposure that aren't religious to religion, what do they, they hear about scandals, they hear about, you know, the pedophilia in the Catholic Church.
02:19:25.000They hear about money that's being inappropriately spent.
02:19:30.000And so the versions that they get are like, oh, this is just bullshit to control people.
02:19:39.000And they don't hear enough about genuine transformation stories and like why this is valuable and why it's also valuable to intelligent people because this has always been this is a misconception or at least a narrative that's pushed out that it's for dull-minded people.
02:20:01.000It's for dull-minded people that can't make sense of the world.
02:20:03.000It's too much confusion to them, so they need a structure.
02:20:06.000Which is totally in alignment with the whole truth that this cross thing is foolishness.
02:20:18.000Well, the fact that you do makes it much more palatable for people, too.
02:20:22.000What you were saying makes more sense to people because, like, okay, he's addressing these feelings that I have, too.
02:20:28.000Yeah, I mean, you read in, I think it's 1 Corinthians chapter 2, the Apostle Paul is writing, like, hey, I didn't come to you with these wise words, like, trying to convince you of anything.
02:20:44.000I simply have preached to you this gospel.
02:20:48.000And notice that not many of you who are considered wise, like, were able to believe this because it's literally foolishness until you're made alive.
02:21:03.000And it was, it's funny, it was by the Almighty's sovereign, immutable will that he chose the cross as to be the story of redemption for man.
02:21:17.000It's funny that he chose the cross and he did it for his own good pleasure.
02:21:24.000He chose to destroy the wisdom of man by a message that is seemingly foolish.
02:23:38.000The most fascinating thing of it, but I always tell people, look all that, look at it, but also know that if you live that way and if you believe that, and if you follow those teachings, you will have a better life.
02:24:05.000The origin of it all, there's truth in the origin of it all.
02:24:08.000It's just trying to figure out what it means.
02:24:12.000And then the translations, even the translations in English that you're reading, the way they communicate is so different than the way we communicate today.
02:24:21.000So you have to realize the evolution of human discourse over thousands of years, the way we phrase things, the way we describe things, the way we talk about things, is all very different.
02:24:33.000So you have to get scholars who understand the original way they talked about these things.
02:24:40.000And why did they say a phrase this way?
02:25:29.000Yeah, you'll be able to kind of know your way around it.
02:25:31.000But the stuff that you're talking about knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that's the meat that we can consume.
02:25:38.000Also, when you're talking about the Old Testament and the New Testament, you put the two of them together, you're dealing with thousands of pages.
02:25:46.000Thousands of pages of very confusing scripture, where some of it you're reading, you have to read it three or four times and you just got to go, okay, what exactly is he trying to say here?
02:25:57.000Because you have to figure out how it fits with the rest of it.
02:26:16.000It cannot, by nature of what we know about the nature of the Almighty, what's revealed in Scripture to us just about his nature, his attributes, right?
02:26:27.000It's one of my favorite things to study, the attributes of the Almighty, which we cannot even begin to grasp the fullness of it.
02:26:35.000But some of his attributes have been revealed to us.
02:26:38.000And so if that is his word, it cannot contradict itself because that would go against what we know of as who he is.
02:27:02.000And again, this is probably the interpretation of man.
02:27:07.000You know, and this is where it gets problematic.
02:27:10.000I mean, it is ultimately fascinating that you have something like the book of Isaiah, where they found an older version that they didn't even know existed.
02:27:19.000It turns out to be a thousand years older, and it's verbatim.
02:27:39.000But I think ultimately, behind it all, they're trying to tell a story.
02:27:45.000They're trying to tell a fantastic story.
02:27:48.000And I think ultimately, too, I think something that you could add to that, Joe, is if what I'm saying is correct in terms of what I believe about scripture, ultimately there has also to be some divine influence over the preservation of those scriptures.
02:28:59.000Like, you know, because we look at the letters in the New Testament who were mostly written by the Apostle Paul.
02:29:08.000And the only way that we can trust that, okay, this is the literal message from God to us, but it's coming through a man, like, how does that happen?
02:29:22.000Well, we have to believe that, again, the Almighty is influencing man through the power of his Spirit in the man to write the things that the man wrote.
02:29:35.000You know, That's why this belief in the Holy Spirit and of the believer actually being possessed with the Spirit of God is so essential.
02:30:02.000Well, you know, what is like truth, I don't even know that truth can come from man alone because everything that we have experienced is so influenced by our upbringing, by our perspective, by our memory, by so many factors.
02:30:26.000That's why I hate, dude, I hate seeing these guys, these former military guys attacking each other, man, about he did this and he did that and he didn't do this and he didn't do that.
02:30:36.000I'm like, I mean, some guys might flat out be, you know, telling a fib, you know, I get that, right?
02:31:07.000So if we're saying that the Bible is truly the perfect revelation of God to man, then we have to understand that the source of that, all of that, did not come from man in some way.
02:31:54.000You know, I talked to my buddy about that while I was sitting there with him, you know, as he was passing away.
02:32:02.000And, you know, scripture describes when you leave your physical body here on earth, you know, your spirit basically goes into the presence of the Almighty immediately.
02:32:18.000But in that state, you're unclothed and you don't want to be unclothed.
02:32:27.000And like I was, I'm having all these, I lost my train of thought there on where we were going with that.
02:32:35.000But yeah, man, I forgot the original question, but it pertained to something a conversation I had with him.
02:32:44.000Well, you were talking with him about this sort of leap of faith that you have to make.
02:34:11.000Well, that's where the skeptical person steps in and says, well, this is ridiculous.
02:34:15.000It's all based on, you have to believe in faith because logically it doesn't make any sense.
02:34:20.000And so this is the problem with that is that you're making this assumption that the human mind is flawless and that it could perceive truth regardless of your learned experiences, regardless of what you know about the world.
02:34:33.000You could see truth even if it's a completely unique thing.
02:34:42.000And if it is a puzzle, what greater puzzle than you have to believe something that defies logic?
02:34:50.000Like if you're going to demand faith of someone, you would deliver it in a way that the only way to buy into this is that you have to get past your logic.
02:36:07.000It happens over and over and over again.
02:36:09.000Well, you like to look into all this stuff.
02:36:11.000My wife sent me a YouTube video or something the other day.
02:36:14.000Apparently, they saw something with one of these telescopes or something that they look into the cosmos with that has completely destroyed all their evidence of their theology behind the Big Bang.
02:36:29.000They're finding, they think that some of what they were interpreting as the initial signals of the Big Bang are not that.
02:36:39.000Not only that, but the origin, the birth of the universe is far older than they think it was because they're finding galaxies that are far too large and formed, that are so far away that they would have had to form far quicker than they thought was possible from the moment of the Big Bang today.
02:36:58.000So this has extended, in some people's eyes, the birth of the universe to 22 plus billion years old instead of 13.7 or whatever it is.
02:37:07.000So they think it's possibly even older.
02:37:09.000But then there's also questions like the Big Bang itself might not be correct.
02:37:13.000You might be just interpreting the signals of this part of the space, part of the universe.
02:37:19.000We just can't see yet because we don't have the ability to see further than what the James Webb Telescope can do.
02:37:25.000So as we develop better and better tools, with each iteration, you're going to have a much deeper understanding of the vastness of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite.
02:37:38.000And Roger Penrose thinks that not only was there not just a Big Bang, that there's a continual cycle of these things that happen for eternity, that there's never been a beginning.
02:37:52.000Go ahead and wrap your mind around that.
02:38:39.000You know, that kind of goes along with my theory of at the fall of man, literally marring man's genetic code and how that has just kind of progressively gotten worse over time.
02:38:52.000It's possible, but it's also possible that their interpretation of time was different because they didn't understand calendars.
02:38:57.000You know, what they considered a year was not what we were talking about.
02:39:01.000We're talking about a completely different thing.
02:39:04.000We have such a limited understanding just of human civilization.
02:39:07.000I mean, there's new findings constantly that are completely throwing a monkey wrench into the timeline of human history.
02:39:17.000And some of the biggest ones are happening in Egypt right now, where they're finding structures through tomography, through the use of satellites.
02:39:25.000They're finding these structures underneath the pyramids that go down two kilometers deep.
02:39:30.000Very controversial stuff, but they've repeated it over and over again.
02:39:35.000There's these cylinders and there's coils that seem to be wrapped around these cylinders.
02:39:40.000They're hundreds of meters deep, and then there's more structures underneath there.
02:39:57.000But also crazy that you've got this fucking thing that's, what, 17 acres in its footprint, 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from a quarry 500 miles away, placed hundreds of feet in the ceiling.
02:40:11.000Some of them are 50-plus tons that they've moved into these positions, cut perfectly.
02:40:16.000You can't even a razor blade in between of them, set to perfect north, south, east, and west.
02:40:21.000And now you find out there's structures underneath them that might go down two kilometers.
02:40:25.000We might have a completely fucked up understanding of human history.
02:40:31.000Yeah, it's, you know, there's a lot of speculation around.
02:40:35.000I'm sure you have had somebody on to talk about this period of human history in scripture where it talks about essentially these angelic beings basically pro-creating with women, human women, and creating some sort of hybrid race, men of renown with special knowledge.
02:40:57.000And it would seem that something like that, when you look at the example and all of the stuff you just talked about with the pyramids, they were getting special knowledge.
02:43:43.000Joe, that's so impactful for me to hear you say that because I have to share this with you, of course.
02:43:51.000I've told a few of my close buddies and friends that I was coming on the show today to have a conversation with you.
02:43:58.000And it's amazing people's response when you tell them that you're going to come and sit down to the mighty Joe Rogan, the most powerful man on the internet.
02:44:16.000And, you know, I had so many people tell me, now, Chad, when you go sit down with Joe, you better just stick to what you know.
02:44:27.000And I'm sitting here like, buddy, I don't know a whole lot.
02:44:33.000Like, when you really get down, like what you said, man, like you're not, you're not attached to your ideas.
02:44:40.000And they're not, a lot of times they're not even your ideas.
02:44:43.000They're just, you just think about things deeply and you ask these questions.
02:44:48.000And when you live that way, you do, you do come to the realization that, man, there's very little that I actually know when we define the word or the idea of knowing something.
02:45:03.000And even scripture tells us any man that thinks he knows anything hasn't known as he ought to know.
02:45:10.000In other words, as soon as you think you have the answers to most things, you are totally backwards.
02:45:36.000Yeah, but the problem with that is like you're never going to get anywhere.
02:45:39.000You've got to be able to, yeah, man, it's people's perspective of what you've built here and what you do and what you've accomplished, I think it's just so skewed, like just based off of some of the conversations I had.
02:47:56.000But to get fame slowly, as long as you're always working on your character, and one of the things that will keep you sane when you're going through fame in particular is voluntary adversity.
02:49:03.000so that kind of conflict was so overwhelming, but yet also positive and helped me so much with character development, my understanding of myself, and what I was able to accomplish if I worked hard enough.
02:49:20.000It allows you to navigate the weird waters of fame so much easier.
02:49:26.000That's really impactful to hear you say that, Joe, because I think that is and has been my exact same experience, you know.
02:49:35.000And I've been kind of public for the last five years now, and it's been kind of slow, but again, it kind of went big there for like within two years.
02:49:49.000Like the YouTube and stuff blew up to the point that I'm nowhere, obviously, on the level that you experience in your life, but you can't go out in public without somebody's going to stop you.
02:49:59.000But you're at the level where I know who you are.
02:50:01.000In all these comments and all this stuff, you know what I mean?
02:50:04.000But like continuously choosing to do these challenges that, like, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to do it.
02:50:15.000Like the Yukon race, the Yukon 1000, we didn't finish that.
02:50:20.000We went 435 miles and David started having circulation issues in his lower body because he's paralyzed.
02:50:32.000And like his leg is usually the size just of his femur, you know, or his bones.
02:50:38.000And by the third day, his legs were the same size as my legs.
02:50:42.000And he started to develop these pressure sores on his butt, which is very, very dangerous for people who are paralyzed just from sitting in that kayak for 18 hours a day.
02:50:54.000But like we didn't, we didn't complete that.
02:51:01.000But we were out there like truly in the, in truly in wilderness, like struggling against not only the miles, but just the environment.
02:51:16.000Like I love to hear all these hippie people talk about Mother Earth.
02:51:20.000It's like Mother Earth will freaking kill you, son.
02:51:24.000You talk about Mother Earth around me.
02:52:41.000I have to have something, you know, on the micro level daily.
02:52:45.000On the macro level, I have to have maybe two things, big things a year that I look at and I'm like, I don't know if I can actually finish that or not.
02:52:59.000And then it forces me to train, to learn, to prepare, to plan.
02:53:07.000That's when you get, if we want to move toward mental toughness and how this kind of preps you and keeps you going through life, like that's where all the mental toughness is really built is through the training process.
02:53:19.000Like on race day, you shouldn't be getting any more mentally tough on race day.
02:53:35.000If you stop exercising it and people want to act like there are people out there, maybe like me or like David Goggins or these people that have become so mentally tough that we're just good.
02:53:51.000Like we should be able to show up anywhere, anytime and perform and just crush everyone.