The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2359

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00:00:12.000 Hey, Mike Maxwell.

00:00:13.000 What's happening to Joe Rogan?

00:00:15.000 My man.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 It's good to be here.

00:00:17.000 For anybody who doesn't know, Mike Maxwell is an amazing artist and did not just that painting with Quentin Tarantino in front of it, which is pretty fucking cool, but also the JRE logo.

00:00:27.000 Yeah, minutes.

00:00:29.000 That was funny.

00:00:30.000 How many years ago was that?

00:00:31.000 Like 15 fucking years ago?

00:00:33.000 I think you were like on episode 10, maybe.

00:00:33.000 Yeah, it has to be.

00:00:36.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 Wow.

00:00:37.000 That's crazy.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, and super fucking random, too.

00:00:40.000 Like, I get the question all the time, like, how the fuck did you do that?

00:00:44.000 You know?

00:00:45.000 And for me, like, my whole like art experience has just been like, make the work, and whatever the fuck happens afterwards is just all bonus.

00:00:55.000 Well, if the work is great, that works.

00:00:58.000 You know, it's like, you got to have to be discovered.

00:01:01.000 Someone has to find you.

00:01:03.000 But yeah, ultimately, it's about talent.

00:01:06.000 Yeah.

00:01:06.000 And, you know, hard work, too.

00:01:09.000 Yes.

00:01:10.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 Yes.

00:01:11.000 I mean, because that talent really doesn't come, like, artists so often are like, people are like, ah, I, like, I wish I could draw, like, you're so lucky, like, God-given talent.

00:01:20.000 I'm like, bitch, I had to fucking, I work every day and have been grinding at this for 25, 26 years.

00:01:28.000 There's no God-given talent with art.

00:01:30.000 There's some people have an openness or maybe an ability to see things differently than others.

00:01:37.000 But when it comes to the actual technique and developing that fine hand eye coordination and the ability to draw exact or paint exactly what you're looking for, that's work.

00:01:51.000 That's work.

00:01:52.000 Yeah, nothing came easy.

00:01:54.000 I feel like there's some artists and like some creative people who they have some like inert talent that's in there somewhere.

00:02:03.000 Or it's like we have the right brain chemistry to like get started.

00:02:08.000 But like I'm still improving.

00:02:11.000 25, 26 years in, I'm still recognizing improvements.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, I thought that that particular one that we just posted a picture of, that was like one of your best ones.

00:02:21.000 That is fucking amazing.

00:02:23.000 Like I probably put more time and effort into that piece than anything I'd made previously.

00:02:28.000 Look at that thing.

00:02:28.000 I mean, that is so sick.

00:02:30.000 That is so sick.

00:02:32.000 And it's like, that is this show.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, right.

00:02:36.000 And what's funny, like, that piece was really like all the components were just separate drawings that I had been like compiling.

00:02:43.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:44.000 And then it like eventually just kind of formed itself.

00:02:47.000 Like, sometimes I just let the work do what it needs to do.

00:02:50.000 Sometimes it's almost like I feel disconnected from it.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 And I had, like, there gets to a point after like all the like prep work where it's like the painting starts to paint itself.

00:03:01.000 Like it tells me what it wants.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:04.000 It's very strange.

00:03:05.000 Like there'll be a moment where it's like I could feel something's not right.

00:03:08.000 And then like I can't consciously think of, okay, well, I need to do A, B, and C. But it's kind of like I sit and wait and something tells me.

00:03:19.000 Right.

00:03:19.000 It's so crazy that you say it that way because so many people, including authors in particular, they talk about the exact same kind of process.

00:03:27.000 It's like something just comes to you.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:31.000 I've done a little bit of writing and I've recognized that in writing too, where like I'm telling a story and then all of a sudden it's like the characters come to life and they start to dictate what's actually going to happen.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:44.000 Like it writes itself eventually.

00:03:46.000 But you have to do all that beginning work, like the prep work.

00:03:50.000 Like you have to get the idea going and then once you're a certain like path in, like it starts to, it starts to communicate with you.

00:03:59.000 I always wondered why that's maybe that's why Stephen King wrote his best work when he was coked up and drunk because he was out of his head.

00:04:07.000 Yeah, I think he could get away from his own head.

00:04:10.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 I know that sounds ridiculous, especially to sober people that don't, you know what I mean?

00:04:16.000 Like they don't want to admit that there's that's there's a net positive effect of some people with drugs and writing.

00:04:23.000 Hunter S. Thompson is a giant example.

00:04:26.000 He's one of my favorite authors and it's a giant example.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 The guy was an inveterate drug user.

00:04:32.000 He was a fucking complete maniac.

00:04:34.000 He was always drunk and he wrote some shit that just to this day cuts to the core of our society.

00:04:42.000 He was one of my all-time heroes.

00:04:44.000 Like I started reading him when I was in high school.

00:04:46.000 I've read almost everything, I think.

00:04:49.000 I even liked the Hay Rube stuff.

00:04:51.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 Like a lot of people are like, like he was in his decline.

00:04:55.000 But I remember when that was coming at like pretty early internet, right?

00:04:59.000 Like no social media, but those little articles would pop up.

00:05:03.000 And I still enjoyed it.

00:05:04.000 Like I love everything that he made.

00:05:07.000 Well, he at the end was gone.

00:05:10.000 He was really gone.

00:05:11.000 And McCumber, so David McCumber, who is his editor, who also co-wrote a book with my friend Tony Anagoni that's one of the great pool books.

00:05:20.000 It's called Playing Off the Rail.

00:05:22.000 It's a really, for anybody who's a fan of pool, the game, it's an amazing book about a guy whose name is Tony Anagoni, who's a world-class player who went on the road with a journalist and just gambled across the country.

00:05:36.000 Yeah.

00:05:37.000 And did it like a real pool hustler would in the most dangerous, dingiest places playing against high-level guys for $10,000 sets and 24-hour joints in New York City.

00:05:50.000 It's an amazing book.

00:05:52.000 Well, McCumber was Hunter's editor, too, at one point in time.

00:05:56.000 And McCumber got him towards the end.

00:06:00.000 Like there's video of see if you can find video of Hunter Thompson and David McCumber having a conversation.

00:06:09.000 This must have been a fucking nightmare.

00:06:10.000 Nightmare.

00:06:11.000 Never got his stuff in on time.

00:06:13.000 He famously would destroy the fax machine because he was supposed to fax his pages to Rolling Stone Max.

00:06:21.000 I love that video when he's in the Rolling Stones office and Jan Wenner is like, looks like the whole building's going to fucking burn down.

00:06:29.000 Just panic.

00:06:30.000 I mean, just try to imagine controlling a guy like that.

00:06:33.000 He can't control himself.

00:06:35.000 But out of that, sometimes something that no one else is capable of writing comes through.

00:06:42.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 And it was much less so at the end.

00:06:44.000 It got away from him at the end, which it's going to do, though.

00:06:47.000 Cocaine and alcohol.

00:06:48.000 You're not going to, it's unsustainable.

00:06:50.000 At that level for that long.

00:06:52.000 It's unsustainable.

00:06:53.000 Everybody I know that has done a lot of Coke, at the end, they're a mess.

00:06:57.000 It's neurological conditions.

00:06:59.000 All sorts of weird shit happens.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, you can't fry your brain for it.

00:07:02.000 You're frying.

00:07:03.000 And these guys are frying.

00:07:05.000 Well, it's like it's the deficiency afterwards, right?

00:07:08.000 So you've used up all the available dopamine that you have in your brain.

00:07:12.000 Exactly.

00:07:12.000 And it's just like, well, fuck it.

00:07:14.000 I had a friend who was a crack addict who was also friends with my friend who ran a pool haul, but also was involved in recovery and was involved in helping people with recovery.

00:07:29.000 After the fact?

00:07:30.000 Well, he was helping people that were getting sober, and he wasn't trying to help my friend Johnny.

00:07:36.000 My friend Johnny didn't want to help.

00:07:37.000 He was like, fuck your help.

00:07:39.000 I'm smoking crack.

00:07:40.000 And he was explaining to me the whole dopamine thing, the dopamine and serotonin receptors just get cooked.

00:07:47.000 And then you're so depressed that you need it just to feel normal.

00:07:51.000 Yeah, you're always at the below baseline.

00:07:54.000 Right.

00:07:55.000 You know, I kind of feel like I fall into that little category a little bit to where it's like, I'm just below baseline normal.

00:08:02.000 And like a couple, like, like, I don't get super excited for shit, but it'll be like something, something that I'm looking forward to will kind of just get me to baseline, like right around normal.

00:08:12.000 And I sometimes wonder, like, I used to do a lot of LSD when I was a teenager.

00:08:17.000 And I wonder if you could define a lot.

00:08:20.000 I mean, we had, we had one summer that me and my boys, it was like every two days, like, you know, twice a week.

00:08:29.000 How old are you?

00:08:30.000 16.

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:32.000 But also, you know, at the same time, maybe that has had some power in the sort of creative aspect, too.

00:08:41.000 Right.

00:08:41.000 Even if it's just like looking at the world differently, which is just so common with psychedelics.

00:08:49.000 Right.

00:08:50.000 Just kind of gives you some perspective that's so far removed from our normal day-to-day reality.

00:08:56.000 Right.

00:08:57.000 So it's like, I think for me, it's like, what more am I not seeing?

00:08:57.000 Right.

00:09:02.000 You know, like, what am I, what am I missing in my normal reality that maybe exists?

00:09:09.000 But it could be total bullshit.

00:09:12.000 Like, I don't know.

00:09:13.000 It might not have done anything for my creativity, but, you know, it seems to have a profound effect on a lot of people that have experiences and just they'll talk about like this one.

00:09:24.000 Like, didn't Steve Jobs talk about it?

00:09:26.000 One LSD experience and just kind of shifted the way he thought about things.

00:09:30.000 Oh, here it is.

00:09:32.000 With those tiny shorts on.

00:09:33.000 Fucking great.

00:09:35.000 This is the document.

00:09:36.000 The craziness.

00:09:38.000 Walking around with a gun.

00:09:40.000 I can't even understand them.

00:09:44.000 One more thing.

00:09:47.000 One of these things in this coming.

00:09:51.000 What did I do?

00:09:52.000 I was like, I understand.

00:09:53.000 No, I understand.

00:09:54.000 I couldn't go away.

00:09:56.000 I mentioned all the camera.

00:09:58.000 We've got to try to get seriously missing it.

00:10:03.000 You've been calling me every conceivable dinner name.

00:10:05.000 You dirty suck.

00:10:06.000 You dirty, stupid bastard.

00:10:09.000 I've had a whole equipment.

00:10:11.000 You slay me and we were an hour away from the first edition.

00:10:23.000 I don't.

00:10:25.000 I guess we're going to do it.

00:10:29.000 We'll probably do better right now.

00:10:30.000 There's a computer.

00:10:31.000 Look at the computer.

00:10:31.000 It's hard to tell.

00:10:34.000 I wonder what year this was.

00:10:36.000 This came out in 88, so probably like 87.

00:10:38.000 When did people first start having computers?

00:10:43.000 When did you have your first computer, James?

00:10:45.000 You were younger than that.

00:10:46.000 My was later than that, though.

00:10:47.000 I had like Windows, I think, was our first one.

00:10:50.000 What year?

00:10:51.000 Like 95?

00:10:52.000 No.

00:10:53.000 We have whatever Windows was before that.

00:10:55.000 3.8 or whatever it was.

00:10:57.000 Is that what it was?

00:10:58.000 When Windows 95 came out, it was a big day.

00:11:00.000 It was a big day.

00:11:01.000 I remember.

00:11:02.000 You could do stuff.

00:11:04.000 I got an Apple computer from Comp USA in 1994.

00:11:10.000 Yeah, I think I was right around like 97.

00:11:13.000 Big ass fucking thing, too.

00:11:15.000 But my friend Robbie knew what to buy.

00:11:17.000 My friend Robbie, either he worked in computers or his brother worked in computers.

00:11:21.000 So he took me to Comp USA.

00:11:23.000 I had no idea.

00:11:24.000 I'm like, what is this?

00:11:25.000 My mom, she worked in a computer lab at the community college in San Diego, and she was like one of the first to start using Apple products.

00:11:34.000 Like everything was PC on the spot.

00:11:38.000 And she knew something was getting ready to pop off.

00:11:42.000 And she was like, she had the first iPhone, like early, like those fucking apples that, you know, it looked like a TV from the 80s.

00:11:51.000 Yeah.

00:11:52.000 Just weighed 600 pounds.

00:11:55.000 And actually got into graphic design early.

00:11:58.000 And that's kind of how I started doing some, because I made art my whole life, but started doing some design, like learning how to actually use the fucking computer.

00:12:06.000 And now I learned how programs were available back then.

00:12:09.000 Photoshop and Illustrator were out, but it was like one and two.

00:12:13.000 Wow.

00:12:14.000 Yeah.

00:12:14.000 And she was in there and taught me how to do it.

00:12:17.000 And then like I still do graphic design, but it's like it's from like I still use the techniques from like 1999.

00:12:24.000 Well, it kind of shows you that there's a lot of like untapped comedic talent in the tech industry because memes were one of the first forms of new comedy that hit the internet.

00:12:40.000 And it had to be by someone who knew how to work the old school Photoshops.

00:12:44.000 Yeah.

00:12:45.000 So you had to have some technical understanding of the programs.

00:12:50.000 It was probably people that were using them already.

00:12:52.000 You know, they were graphic artists and they were like, fuck this guy.

00:12:56.000 Let's make a funny meme.

00:12:57.000 Yeah, because I mean, before that, you had to do Everything by hand.

00:13:00.000 It was a lot of like cut and paste and like and like different techniques.

00:13:05.000 It was everything was by hand.

00:13:07.000 When did memes, like really funny memes, first start appearing?

00:13:11.000 I feel like it has to be like 2000, 99, 2000.

00:13:15.000 The internet meme.

00:13:17.000 Concept 1972.

00:13:17.000 There we go.

00:13:19.000 Right.

00:13:21.000 That was that book that he had, right?

00:13:22.000 The selfish gene.

00:13:24.000 What was it?

00:13:25.000 Wasn't it in that?

00:13:26.000 That dancing baby was coming up.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, that's that.

00:13:28.000 I feel like that's the earliest.

00:13:30.000 The dancing baby was the first.

00:13:32.000 Yeah, from like a TV show.

00:13:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:35.000 A terrible animated dancing baby.

00:13:37.000 What year was that?

00:13:40.000 Bro, that's just the nightmares.

00:13:41.000 If you're in the woods, you see a dancing baby that looks like that.

00:13:44.000 The uncanny valley dancing baby.

00:13:48.000 That would be so scary.

00:13:50.000 Imagine if you see it.

00:13:50.000 You would have to punt it.

00:13:51.000 You would have to punt it.

00:13:52.000 Bro, you'd have to run.

00:13:53.000 If you kick it, it grabs a hold of you and bites you like a wolf.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, but what if it runs like fucking 100 miles an hour?

00:13:58.000 Well, you're going to find out.

00:13:59.000 At least you'll find out.

00:14:01.000 Actually, if you run, it's worse because then you're tired and it's probably right there watching you.

00:14:06.000 You're just trying to catch your breath.

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 And you see it's standing on your bush.

00:14:11.000 No, no, no.

00:14:12.000 It stays just far enough from you that you think you have to run.

00:14:15.000 If it's really trying to scare you, it doesn't want to jump on you.

00:14:19.000 And once it gets really close for a long time, for a long time.

00:14:22.000 So it wears everything out.

00:14:24.000 You want to wear it out.

00:14:27.000 Like, that's how you do it if you're chasing a person.

00:14:30.000 You don't just run up on them.

00:14:32.000 That just spoils all the fun.

00:14:34.000 Isn't that like the old school hunters, too?

00:14:36.000 Just like chasing a pack of deer for.

00:14:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:39.000 That's why human beings can run so long.

00:14:41.000 But that's a different thing.

00:14:42.000 They're overheating them.

00:14:44.000 It's called persistence hunting.

00:14:46.000 That's why there's so many amazing marathon runners come from that part of the world.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 Because these guys have a history of literally running animals to their death.

00:14:56.000 Right.

00:14:56.000 Fucking.

00:14:58.000 Who had to figure that out, too?

00:15:00.000 Who's like, well, I got five miles in me.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, let me just keep.

00:15:03.000 Shit, I need 10.

00:15:04.000 Let me just keep running until this deer stops running.

00:15:06.000 Like, how would you ever think that a deer would eventually catch it?

00:15:11.000 Yeah, especially if they're so fucking fast.

00:15:13.000 Like, how would you think that one day that antelope is going to get tired?

00:15:13.000 They're so fucking fast.

00:15:18.000 Like, how would you even have that in your head?

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 That it couldn't just take a break.

00:15:21.000 It's going to be 300 yards ahead of you like that.

00:15:23.000 I love those.

00:15:24.000 Just take a break, catch its breath.

00:15:26.000 They didn't even know that it's the issue is the animals don't have sweat glands.

00:15:30.000 So they overheat.

00:15:32.000 Yeah.

00:15:32.000 Shit.

00:15:33.000 So we have sweat glands.

00:15:34.000 And of course, they weren't biologists, so they also didn't know that either.

00:15:38.000 Well, that's why we're so weird.

00:15:40.000 We're such a weird animal.

00:15:42.000 And that our bodies really can kind of adapt to different climates and they self-cool and regulate.

00:15:47.000 Like some animals, if they're outside of their climate range, they're fucked.

00:15:50.000 Yeah.

00:15:51.000 Like they're in deep shit.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 You know, like.

00:15:54.000 Marshall over here.

00:15:55.000 Where are you, buddy?

00:15:56.000 Other side.

00:15:57.000 Oh, oh, he's right here.

00:15:58.000 He's right beside me.

00:16:00.000 We have to, you know, if we're going to exercise in Texas, we have to do it in the morning.

00:16:04.000 Right.

00:16:04.000 Or we have to jump in the pool.

00:16:06.000 Because, you know, his body's adapted for cold.

00:16:08.000 He's got this crazy wool coat that he wears everywhere he goes.

00:16:12.000 It sucks.

00:16:13.000 But for us, man, we can, we sweat.

00:16:17.000 And they figured out, I guess, a long time ago that these animals, if you just keep running after them, eventually they just can't do it anymore.

00:16:25.000 And then they lay down and then you fucking stab them.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, that's so fucking wild.

00:16:30.000 But it made insane runners.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 The only way you're going to feed your children is if you run after that deer, bro, you're going to become a fucking runner.

00:16:39.000 And now the evolutionary process is like you go to the Olympics.

00:16:42.000 Yeah.

00:16:43.000 Yeah, and they have you like this on the cover of Leadies.

00:16:48.000 It really is interesting because like that's before I started doing jiu-jitsu, like that was what I was doing.

00:16:53.000 I was running.

00:16:54.000 Like, and but it just got fucking boring.

00:16:54.000 Oh.

00:16:56.000 Yeah.

00:16:57.000 It got boring.

00:16:58.000 And that's when I was like, okay, I got to find something else.

00:17:02.000 Yeah, that's what most people, the problem they have with the gym.

00:17:04.000 And jiu-jitsu is the opposite of boring.

00:17:07.000 Jiu-Jitsu is, it's one of the most rewarding things in life because it's super hard to do.

00:17:13.000 It's really good for your head.

00:17:15.000 Like, jiu-jitsu people in general, like, you get dickheads in all walks of life and female dickheads too.

00:17:22.000 But for lack of a better word.

00:17:24.000 But you get the nicest people.

00:17:27.000 Like, for the most part.

00:17:28.000 You get people of character.

00:17:29.000 Because you have to have character to stick it out.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.000 To be doing jiu-jitsu.

00:17:33.000 If you've been doing jiu-jitsu eight years, I can 99% sure I can hang out with you.

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 You're a dude who's got his shit together.

00:17:41.000 It's almost like we're like distant family members or something.

00:17:43.000 100%.

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:45.000 100%.

00:17:46.000 It's like you recognize you've been through this thing.

00:17:48.000 You know, I started doing jiu-jitsu in 96.

00:17:52.000 So 96, I was at Carlson Groves's place.

00:17:54.000 I was 29?

00:17:58.000 29?

00:17:59.000 Yeah, see, I started at 30.

00:18:01.000 Yeah.

00:18:01.000 Like around the same time.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, around the same time.

00:18:03.000 And I started right after.

00:18:05.000 It was kind of like a year or two after I first saw the UFC.

00:18:09.000 You know, it was right around that time.

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:11.000 And so I started at Carlson Gracie's place in LA that was right down the street from the comedy store.

00:18:17.000 It was real close to the comedy store.

00:18:19.000 And that was when Vitor Belfort was, he had just fought John Hess in Hawaii.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.000 He was about to enter the UFC.

00:18:27.000 And that was that first crew in California.

00:18:30.000 From Brazil, too.

00:18:31.000 Yeah.

00:18:31.000 Exactly.

00:18:32.000 Marilla Bustamante.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 You know, there was a whole ton of these guys that came from Brazil.

00:18:39.000 I think Medeiros was there, too.

00:18:41.000 Mario Sperry was there.

00:18:43.000 I got to train with Mario Sperry, dude.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 When I was a white belt.

00:18:46.000 That's wild.

00:18:47.000 And he didn't have no idea who the fuck I was because I wasn't anybody.

00:18:49.000 I wasn't famous at all.

00:18:51.000 And he was the fucking nicest guy in the world, man.

00:18:56.000 Mario Sperry explained to us how he got his triangle really good.

00:18:59.000 He would make his girlfriend sit in his guard and he would just triangle.

00:19:02.000 And she would complain.

00:19:03.000 He'd be like, stop, stop.

00:19:05.000 Just let me do this.

00:19:05.000 Poor children.

00:19:07.000 Let me use your body to practice triangles.

00:19:10.000 I mean, because that's what it takes.

00:19:11.000 It's kind of hard to do it by yourself.

00:19:13.000 I have a dummy, but I don't use it.

00:19:15.000 I have one of them.

00:19:16.000 I used to have a Gracie dummy back home in LA.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, every gym has one that just sits in the corner and nobody fucks.

00:19:21.000 You really want to do it with people.

00:19:23.000 It's just, you know, the difference between the rolling and the drilling.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:28.000 The people that get really good, they put the shitty work in.

00:19:32.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 You know, the long drilling sessions, that boring ass shit.

00:19:35.000 Yeah, you have to.

00:19:37.000 Because I teach now.

00:19:40.000 what belt do you know?

00:19:41.000 I'm a black belt.

00:19:42.000 Oh, snap, son.

00:19:44.000 When I met you, what were you?

00:19:46.000 I was probably a purple belt.

00:19:49.000 How did we meet?

00:19:50.000 Shit.

00:19:51.000 I don't even remember how we met because it was so long ago.

00:19:53.000 Well, it's like, yeah, like, I get, I get the question and all that to that question.

00:19:58.000 That's funny.

00:20:00.000 Well, I, so my sister worked at the comedy store in La Jolla as a waitress.

00:20:05.000 She's, she's a nurse now.

00:20:08.000 And you were doing a show at somewhere downtown at like the Balboa Theater.

00:20:14.000 Probably.

00:20:15.000 Maybe.

00:20:15.000 Yeah.

00:20:15.000 And it was sold out.

00:20:17.000 And I just hit her up and was like, hey, do you think you can give me tickets?

00:20:21.000 Because she knew everybody from the store in La Jolla.

00:20:24.000 And Ari ended up getting a pair of tickets for me.

00:20:29.000 And so I went to the show, whatever.

00:20:30.000 Did you know Ari already?

00:20:32.000 My sister was friends with Ari.

00:20:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:20:35.000 Yeah, I didn't know anybody yet.

00:20:37.000 And maybe two weeks later, she hits me up and is like, hey, can you do a poster for our marquee?

00:20:45.000 For it was Ari, Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:20:51.000 And it was supposed to be Duncan Trussell, but maybe it was Duncan.

00:20:57.000 But regardless.

00:21:00.000 And from what I remember, you must have seen that poster at some point.

00:21:05.000 That makes sense.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:21:06.000 And then we did the Atlanta 420 show.

00:21:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:12.000 So that was probably, I feel like I met you before because I popped in on one of those Ice House Chronicles from back in the day.

00:21:20.000 Oh, those were fun.

00:21:20.000 Look at that one, man.

00:21:22.000 What a great one.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, that was the 420 show.

00:21:24.000 So that was 2012.

00:21:26.000 God damn, time flies.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 And so that ended up becoming the graphic for the logo.

00:21:32.000 We had the microphone.

00:21:33.000 It's perfect.

00:21:35.000 Duncan with the little hit acid on his tongue.

00:21:38.000 It's the perfect logo.

00:21:39.000 I mean, you fucking nailed it.

00:21:41.000 Now it's everywhere.

00:21:42.000 That's got to be weird.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, it's fucking strange.

00:21:45.000 That's mug.

00:21:47.000 Almost like disconnected from it.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, like, of course, it's grown.

00:21:50.000 It's like it's its own thing.

00:21:52.000 But every time I see it, like, I know, like, I drew that by hand.

00:21:56.000 Like, I have the ink drawings still.

00:21:58.000 That's crazy.

00:21:59.000 Yeah, it's pretty fucking wild.

00:22:01.000 I, you know, I put stuff out into the world all the time.

00:22:05.000 I have thousands of paintings, thousands of different fucking places.

00:22:09.000 But, I mean, more people see this image than guaranteed all the other ones.

00:22:15.000 Well, more people see that image than anything else I've ever done.

00:22:18.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 That image is everywhere.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 It's pretty wild.

00:22:21.000 What a fucking weird trip, right?

00:22:23.000 I mean, you, I went to the show on Tuesday and you were doing the like QA at the end.

00:22:28.000 And somebody had asked you about like what your goals are.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:32.000 And you were like, I don't have any.

00:22:35.000 And I'm kind of in that same routine where like what I was saying, like, I do the work, zero expectations.

00:22:42.000 Like, what happens will happen.

00:22:44.000 And I'm just along for the ride.

00:22:46.000 Well, that's, I think, as long as you put the actual energy into the work, I think, at least for me and you, that's the way to do it.

00:22:56.000 I don't have, like, people, there's a lot of people out there with vision boards.

00:22:58.000 I was talking to this dude the other day.

00:23:00.000 He's got this vision board.

00:23:01.000 He's got all these goals he wants for his company and goals all he wants for his life and this and that.

00:23:05.000 I'm like, I get it.

00:23:07.000 That probably works too.

00:23:08.000 That probably works too.

00:23:09.000 But for me, I just only, I feel like I only want to think about the process.

00:23:16.000 I want to put all my energy into thinking about the process.

00:23:18.000 Because that's the rewarding part for a creator, right?

00:23:21.000 Like me in the studio by myself painting, I get that clear mind where it's like, I feel like I fucking meditate six hours a day, you know, just from work.

00:23:33.000 Every day, just from work.

00:23:34.000 Because at some point in the painting process, like the paintbrush turns into a mantra almost to where like everything in my mind, just like in jiu-jitsu, like everything shuts off because we're in a hyper-focused like mode of accomplishing a task.

00:23:51.000 Right, right.

00:23:51.000 Right.

00:23:52.000 And that's for me, painting, all the reward is that.

00:23:55.000 Yeah.

00:23:55.000 It's those moments, even when I fucking hate it because there's plenty of times where I'm like, this motherfucking painting.

00:24:02.000 Like, I can't get it.

00:24:03.000 Like, I know where I want it to go, but it's like, well, first you're going to have to take 35 fucking steps before you can get there.

00:24:10.000 Right.

00:24:11.000 And my, you know, like, I know that, like, the finishing of painting is a little bit like a drug.

00:24:16.000 I don't know if you ever experienced this.

00:24:18.000 Maybe like after getting off stage or something, but it's like, there's a little like dopamine reward when it's done.

00:24:25.000 When it's complete and done.

00:24:26.000 You're like, oh, look at that.

00:24:28.000 Yeah, it's like catching your breath.

00:24:29.000 Yeah.

00:24:30.000 I used to feel like I don't know.

00:24:31.000 Sketches.

00:24:32.000 I used to feel like that with drawings.

00:24:34.000 But on a smaller scale, obviously.

00:24:36.000 I think it's the same thing with martial arts.

00:24:39.000 Because, you know, people always talk about martial arts as being a moving meditation.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:43.000 You know, I think, I think, and if you thought about martial arts, like if you, if you were a white belt and you thought about all the time that it's going to take before you become a black belt, you're like, oh my God.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 I can't do this.

00:24:54.000 But if you just think about the process, the process will get you there.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:00.000 You just have to just only be thinking about this idea, this process of improvement, of dialing it in.

00:25:06.000 And people oftentimes refer to martial arts as a moving meditation.

00:25:10.000 Because to do it right, you're kind of out of your own way.

00:25:14.000 Did you ever do any, did you do much striking?

00:25:17.000 I did a year of Muay Thai.

00:25:19.000 I got punched in the face a lot.

00:25:22.000 I actually, I found my brain not functioning quite the same way.

00:25:26.000 Oh, I was getting hit.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 And I even found myself getting frustrated, which was stupid.

00:25:32.000 Like, yeah.

00:25:34.000 Well, like, in the process of Muay Thai.

00:25:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:25:38.000 Like, I had a coach, and this was forever ago, who was kind of a prick.

00:25:43.000 And just, he had eight morning students who knew fucking dick, and we were terrible, you know?

00:25:51.000 Oh, and he wanted to be coaching pros, right?

00:25:53.000 That's what it seemed like.

00:25:55.000 Like, very distant and like, like, phoning it in.

00:25:59.000 And I recognized myself kind of getting frustrated with it.

00:26:02.000 But when I was in jiu-jitsu class, if somebody caught me in something, I found myself laughing.

00:26:08.000 Interesting.

00:26:08.000 To where I was like, wow, I never got frustrated.

00:26:12.000 I never got down on myself because I mean, my whole first year, I don't think I tapped a single person my first year.

00:26:19.000 And I was in a tough gym.

00:26:21.000 It was the Nogara gym.

00:26:24.000 And so the whole first year of them being open, it was just like the MMA guys were in there.

00:26:30.000 It was like pros training for, you know, a year or six months.

00:26:34.000 And then they opened it up to the public, which is where I got.

00:26:39.000 And it was just, it was just ass whoopings every day.

00:26:43.000 I remember my first class, like it was yesterday.

00:26:45.000 Like I got, when we got to sparring, it was like, I got like, I just looked at another white belt.

00:26:51.000 It was like, okay, let's try.

00:26:52.000 And neither of us knew what the fuck we were doing.

00:26:54.000 And the coach was like, hey, and like grabbed this purple belt who's now, he owns Del Mar Jiu-Jitsu in San Diego.

00:27:04.000 He came over, he has a purple belt, just this fucking like vanilla gorilla and hip-tossed me.

00:27:10.000 Oh, no.

00:27:11.000 And I was like, what the fuck was that?

00:27:13.000 Like, I had no idea what had happened.

00:27:15.000 I was on my back, you know, trying to catch my breath, like, holy shit, what was that?

00:27:19.000 And at that moment, like, I knew I, like, I thought I was tough.

00:27:22.000 Like, I thought I had a little bit of toughness in me.

00:27:24.000 And I was like, just a complete humbling experience, but also like encouraging.

00:27:31.000 Like, I feel like it was that singular hip toss like led me to be a black belt.

00:27:36.000 Interesting.

00:27:37.000 So because it was so overwhelming, you were like, I need to learn that.

00:27:42.000 Yeah.

00:27:43.000 And I was at kind of like a weird phase.

00:27:45.000 So that was probably like around 2008 when shit seemed to be, it was like a little moment of like, everything's going to shit.

00:27:53.000 And like, I had this weird feeling.

00:27:54.000 And this is like the financial crisis.

00:27:57.000 This was when the banks found it.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, and everybody's money was weird.

00:28:00.000 The mortgage collapse thing.

00:28:02.000 And I felt like if shit hits the fan, like maybe I should know how to do something, which is such a weird thing.

00:28:09.000 That's a crazy thought.

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 It's fairly abstract.

00:28:12.000 Like to me, it wasn't like I was like super concerned or like really serious about it.

00:28:17.000 But I had the thought of like, if I need to defend myself or if I need, and that's why I was running too.

00:28:22.000 It's like, if I need to fucking chase down a deer until it overheats.

00:28:27.000 Right.

00:28:29.000 And it ended up just being a little bit of a motivation.

00:28:32.000 And then I just found the joy in it.

00:28:34.000 I always said if I ever opened a jiu-jitsu gym, I would call it fun jiu-jitsu.

00:28:38.000 Nobody steal that.

00:28:39.000 Just because, I mean, I was talking to Zach, your security guard at the comedy club.

00:28:46.000 And like, for me, I don't get into street fights.

00:28:51.000 I haven't been in a street fight since I was a teenager.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, me too.

00:28:55.000 You know, like, I've broken up fights more often than I've got into them.

00:28:59.000 And you know, one thing I do find that's really disconcerting, when fights break out, I don't get nervous.

00:29:05.000 That's how beautiful is that?

00:29:07.000 I've had that because I remember when fights would break out, your anxiety shoots up, your heart rate.

00:29:11.000 I get weird if like someone close to me is with me and I'm worried about their danger.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 But the fact that two people are fighting, I'm so used to it.

00:29:20.000 It's weird.

00:29:21.000 I stopped a bar fight a couple years ago where a group of guys attacked this dude.

00:29:27.000 One of them got a hold of him and he sunk in a guillotine.

00:29:30.000 The guy got taken down right away, a deep guillotine, like all the way up over the shoulder, you know.

00:29:36.000 And was not letting him tap.

00:29:38.000 Not letting him out?

00:29:39.000 No, no, no, no.

00:29:39.000 And I saw it all sort of kind of unfolding.

00:29:43.000 And I ran up there and I just whispered in his ear, if you do jiu-jitsu, you should probably let go right now.

00:29:48.000 That calm.

00:29:50.000 He like looked at me, let go.

00:29:52.000 Dude was out cold.

00:29:54.000 I actually grabbed the guy who was out cold and picked his feet.

00:29:57.000 That's a great way to handle it, the way you talk to him.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, and he immediately looked at me like, okay, yeah, I hear what you're saying.

00:30:03.000 Also, let go.

00:30:04.000 This could be the difference between nothing happens to you.

00:30:06.000 You're just defending yourself and you're going to jail for a long time because this guy's dead.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:12.000 Especially if the guy's out and you're still holding on to it.

00:30:12.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 Yeah.

00:30:16.000 And it was quick.

00:30:16.000 Ooh.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 It was tight.

00:30:18.000 He might not have known he was out, but I mean he was probably so jumped up with adrenaline.

00:30:22.000 Yeah, he's like he had his girlfriend with him.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 Dude, street fights are stupid.

00:30:27.000 So dumb.

00:30:27.000 And if I see them, I just get the fuck away.

00:30:30.000 But what just weird that I'm, I've seen so many people beat people up.

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:35.000 I have seen like firsthand, there's probably a tiny percentage of people on earth that have seen more fist fights in person than me.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, I can't imagine, especially at that close range.

00:30:47.000 At close range with world-class fighters.

00:30:50.000 Because it's when you're in at a UFC event, like those fights feel so much more intense and so much more like visceral when you're there.

00:30:59.000 You got to come with me to the apex.

00:31:01.000 The apex is the place to see fights.

00:31:04.000 The apex center is the UFC's private little auditorium.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 It's tiny.

00:31:09.000 It only seats like 100 people.

00:31:11.000 Is that where they were doing the fights during COVID?

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:14.000 Dude, I saw Francis Nganu versus Stipe Miochik in a small cage with no audience.

00:31:21.000 That's wild.

00:31:22.000 That was wild.

00:31:23.000 Those sounds are sounds you don't hear.

00:31:25.000 Bro, it was wild.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:28.000 It was so different because Francis' punches and kicks without all the cheering.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, to hear that sound.

00:31:36.000 It's a different thing, man, because you're experiencing what that fighter is experiencing.

00:31:43.000 You're not getting the pain, but the thud, the force, you feel it different.

00:31:48.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 You feel like through the arena, you feel a small little room.

00:31:52.000 You feel it.

00:31:53.000 And there was some concussion in the air.

00:31:55.000 When he collapsed, when he hit him with the left hook and dropped him and then punched him when he was down, I was like, oh my God.

00:32:02.000 It was so different than seeing it in an arena.

00:32:04.000 It was so intimate.

00:32:06.000 It's like, I always say that it's like the difference between going to see an acoustic concert and going to see a concert in a gigantic arena.

00:32:12.000 Right.

00:32:13.000 You know, you go see someone in a club doing an acoustic set.

00:32:15.000 Like Gary Clark Jr. did an acoustic set.

00:32:18.000 Like, wow, this is intimate.

00:32:18.000 It's different.

00:32:20.000 That's cool.

00:32:21.000 That's why I always like the prelim fights for the few fights that I've gone to.

00:32:25.000 And it's interesting.

00:32:26.000 I noticed myself getting nervous for the fighter, especially that first fight, like first prelim.

00:32:32.000 I got like 10 people in the room.

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:34.000 It's weird.

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:36.000 That walkout moment is so peculiar.

00:32:39.000 Yes.

00:32:40.000 It's very peculiar.

00:32:41.000 And I don't know if everybody else feels it, but it's like I can almost feel their anxiety as they're walking out.

00:32:47.000 And some guys, you don't feel that at all.

00:32:50.000 You just feel this confidence, this crazy confidence.

00:32:53.000 That's fascinating, too.

00:32:54.000 The guys can get so good and work themselves into a headspace where they, like Ilya Taporia, he walks in there like he's already won.

00:33:03.000 He celebrates the night before.

00:33:04.000 He has a celebration dinner with all his friends and family the night before the fight.

00:33:09.000 He walks out there like he has not a doubt in the world.

00:33:12.000 No doubt.

00:33:13.000 I wonder how much of that comes from everything that he's done so far.

00:33:17.000 Like just a supreme confidence.

00:33:19.000 Oh, it's definitely from that.

00:33:21.000 But I maybe it was there before.

00:33:23.000 I think he's touched by the universe.

00:33:26.000 I think there's certain people that have a talent, obviously hard work, obviously discipline, obviously intelligence, obviously great trainers.

00:33:35.000 All those things are, you can't get past the technique that he has, but there's an understanding of what to do and how to do it and when to do it and an ability that's above and beyond.

00:33:47.000 And I see this all the time where it's like two people who seem like they would be equal in skills or even just in knowledge, right?

00:33:55.000 But one of them can completely outshine the other.

00:33:59.000 Well, you learn early on in martial arts that it's all hard work, but there's certain dudes that have physical attributes that are just freakish.

00:34:09.000 Yeah.

00:34:10.000 They're freakish.

00:34:10.000 Like the first thing that I ever, my first introduction to real like high-level martial arts was this guy named John Lee.

00:34:18.000 And John Lee was the national light heavyweight champion in Taekwondo at the time.

00:34:23.000 And he was training for the World Cup.

00:34:25.000 And I was leaving with my friend Jimmy.

00:34:27.000 We were coming home from a baseball game.

00:34:30.000 We were coming home from Fenway Park.

00:34:31.000 And we just passed by this Taekwondo school.

00:34:34.000 And I was like, let's go up.

00:34:36.000 We're waiting for the tea.

00:34:37.000 The tea takes forever.

00:34:38.000 It's a train.

00:34:39.000 It's always packed.

00:34:40.000 Everybody's leaving the baseball game at the same time.

00:34:41.000 It's going to be a mob scene.

00:34:43.000 Let it die down for a little bit.

00:34:44.000 Let's go check out this Taekwondo class.

00:34:46.000 And as we're walking up the stairs, I hear like this crazy noise, like a thump and then a rattle of chains.

00:34:55.000 That's what I was hearing.

00:34:57.000 And it was this dude practicing a spinning back kick on the back in his prime.

00:35:03.000 Big, long dude who had fucking ferocious power.

00:35:07.000 He was just bending this bag in half.

00:35:10.000 And I was 14.

00:35:12.000 And I was like, holy shit.

00:35:14.000 I think I was 15.

00:35:15.000 It was like, it was the summer of my 15th birthday.

00:35:18.000 But I changed my life.

00:35:20.000 I was like, I need to learn how to do that.

00:35:23.000 That's crazy.

00:35:25.000 But then after a while, I realized not everybody can do that.

00:35:28.000 There's guys that are like high-level guys that can't do it.

00:35:31.000 That guy could do.

00:35:32.000 That guy had some weird gift.

00:35:34.000 He had a weird power gift.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:36.000 Even sometimes just biology, like how your body was shaped.

00:35:38.000 It's 100% biology when it comes to power.

00:35:42.000 If you have tiny hands and slope shoulders and girl hips, good luck.

00:35:49.000 There's no way you're going to generate John Lee type power.

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 And that's like, I can't punch to save my life, but I got these long, skinny ass arms.

00:35:57.000 Like, I'll darse the fuck out of you.

00:35:58.000 Oh, they're perfect for jiu-jitsu.

00:36:00.000 Long arms and thin arms are perfect for jiu-jitsu because it's all leverage, man.

00:36:04.000 I think one of the best things, most inspirational things that can happen to you if you can handle it in jiu-jitsu is getting mauled by a smaller person.

00:36:13.000 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 A person like quite a bit, 30 pounds lighter than you, and just runs through you.

00:36:18.000 And you're like, wow.

00:36:20.000 You're like, okay, it's not about strength at all.

00:36:22.000 It's about skill, knowledge, technique.

00:36:24.000 Timing.

00:36:25.000 Timing is fucking everything.

00:36:25.000 Timing.

00:36:27.000 Timing is a lot, but you have to know what to do with the timing.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 You have to have technique.

00:36:32.000 You have to have technique.

00:36:32.000 Your technique has to be because there's some guys, like some guys, they'll wrap something up, and it's like nine out of 10.

00:36:39.000 Like you're going to squeeze it, maybe get the tap.

00:36:41.000 But there's other guys, they lock something and you're like, oh, there's no way out of this.

00:36:44.000 Yeah, this is death.

00:36:45.000 This is death.

00:36:46.000 Yeah, this is 10 out of 10.

00:36:47.000 Yeah.

00:36:48.000 Like an Eddie Bravo triangle.

00:36:49.000 You get locked in Eddie Bravo's trying.

00:36:51.000 Like, I'm not getting out of this.

00:36:52.000 This is tap time.

00:36:54.000 I've been wondering.

00:36:55.000 So I play lockdown a lot.

00:36:57.000 And maybe getting too technical is probably fucking boring.

00:37:00.000 That's okay.

00:37:00.000 I have an extra muscle in my calf.

00:37:05.000 I have the same muscle in my left calf, but my right one is twice the size.

00:37:11.000 Just a little strand from making that little hook on the shin.

00:37:14.000 Oh, you're just from just playing lockdown.

00:37:17.000 Wow.

00:37:18.000 You know, you could exercise that.

00:37:20.000 You know, there's a thing called a tib bar.

00:37:22.000 Do you know what that is?

00:37:24.000 This would be really good for jiu-jitsu, especially for people who really love butterfly guard.

00:37:28.000 And it's just good for overall knee stability.

00:37:31.000 I learned about it through the knees over toes guy on Instagram.

00:37:35.000 Have you ever done any of his?

00:37:36.000 No, but I need to start looking into it.

00:37:38.000 Look into it.

00:37:40.000 Really good for knee health and strengthening the knees and a lot of amazing exercises.

00:37:45.000 But one of the things that he has that he recommends is a tib bar.

00:37:50.000 And so what it is, is it's like a thing that attaches to your shoe and you lift weights by lifting your foot upward, by lifting your toes towards your knee, which is an exercise you very rarely get.

00:38:01.000 But it's really good.

00:38:03.000 It's really good.

00:38:04.000 And for Butterfly Cigar, that would be it, man, because you could get that motherfucker strong as shit with not just doing butterfly guard, but lifting, lifting for that.

00:38:12.000 You would, for sure.

00:38:14.000 I always thought like leg extensions too, that would help in a big way, right?

00:38:17.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 You know, for the same kind of muscles, the forcing, like the extending the leg.

00:38:22.000 Yeah, because it feels awkward at first to try to elevate from that position.

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 Right?

00:38:27.000 Like, especially if your knees are fucked.

00:38:29.000 I'm kind of, I'm 16 years in now, and I'm like, I'm avoiding the heavyweight rolls, like the super tough.

00:38:38.000 Like, I just have to protect myself.

00:38:41.000 And still, like, I never want to stop either.

00:38:43.000 So, like, I want to be able to get in there and fuck around as much as possible.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, you got to pick who you roll with for sure.

00:38:50.000 That's important, especially as you get older.

00:38:52.000 Are you doing TRT or anything like that?

00:38:54.000 No, I wish.

00:38:55.000 Why don't you do it?

00:38:57.000 Oh, you son of a bitch.

00:38:59.000 What does that mean?

00:39:01.000 What does that mean, Mike?

00:39:04.000 What does that mean?

00:39:05.000 I just haven't had a chance, I suppose.

00:39:08.000 While you're in town, I'm going to hook you up with Waistwell.

00:39:11.000 How many more days are you here?

00:39:12.000 I leave tonight.

00:39:13.000 Oh, shit.

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 What time tonight?

00:39:16.000 Nine.

00:39:17.000 Oh, yeah, we could do that.

00:39:18.000 We'll make it happen.

00:39:18.000 We could make it happen.

00:39:19.000 I'll make a call as soon as we get out of here, and I'll have you go over there right before you take off.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, because shit has gone pretty south.

00:39:27.000 You should get blood.

00:39:28.000 At the very least, if you don't do anything, you should get blood work.

00:39:30.000 Get blood work, find out where your hormone levels are at.

00:39:33.000 Yeah.

00:39:34.000 How is your diet?

00:39:35.000 It's not bad.

00:39:36.000 Like, I eat pretty good.

00:39:38.000 I actually cut out sugar this year.

00:39:42.000 Big impact?

00:39:42.000 Humongous.

00:39:43.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:39:44.000 Humongous.

00:39:44.000 You're poisoning yourself.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:47.000 And it's just like, like what I was saying, like being that like slightly lower than baseline, like sugar gives you that little dopamine fix that is like, ah, okay, I feel good now.

00:39:58.000 And so like, I had a little soda habit, which I mean, there could be fucking worse things, but a lot worse than that.

00:40:04.000 But maybe not, though.

00:40:05.000 You know, like, sugar is pretty fucking bad for you.

00:40:07.000 Well, it's 15 pounds like that.

00:40:11.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:40:11.000 Like that.

00:40:12.000 Yeah, it's so stupid.

00:40:14.000 It's so crazy how many people are just down in that stuff all day long.

00:40:18.000 All day long.

00:40:19.000 Yeah.

00:40:19.000 And just eating you from the inside.

00:40:21.000 Well, you can see it in their body.

00:40:23.000 You can see it in their body.

00:40:24.000 People.

00:40:24.000 Oh, I'm sorry, buddy.

00:40:26.000 Sorry.

00:40:27.000 I put my foot on Marshall.

00:40:28.000 I forgot he was there.

00:40:29.000 I mean, you see with kids.

00:40:31.000 I mean, oh, it's terrible for kids.

00:40:32.000 It's so bad.

00:40:33.000 It's so bad for everything.

00:40:35.000 You know, but in moderation, it's okay.

00:40:37.000 But the problem is human beings are really bad with moderation of things that are literally designed to be addictive.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:46.000 You know, it's so good.

00:40:47.000 And I'm a creature of habit to where it's like I build a routine and then I stick to that fucking routine.

00:40:51.000 Yeah.

00:40:52.000 And if that includes sugary drinks, sugary drinks and a fucking ice cream at night, whatever, like it's going to be there.

00:40:59.000 And especially if you're putting in the work, if you're working hard and you're working out, you're like, I deserve it.

00:40:59.000 I know.

00:41:05.000 I deserve to poison myself.

00:41:07.000 Be like, it's balanced.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:09.000 There's times like I'll come home from the comedy club and it's late and everyone's asleep and I'm like, fuck it.

00:41:13.000 I'm eating cereal.

00:41:17.000 I mean, you're an adult, you get to choose.

00:41:18.000 Every now and then, and I always feel terrible after I do it.

00:41:21.000 I'm like, why did you do that?

00:41:22.000 Yeah, all those ideas that sound so great and you just build up a beautiful idea and then you get done and you're like, what the fuck?

00:41:29.000 The only time I feel good is if I come home and I'll cook a steak.

00:41:34.000 I do like that.

00:41:35.000 Like I'm going to actually take a whole hour to make myself a meal, even though it's 11:30 at night and I'm tired.

00:41:41.000 I'm going to take a whole hour and make myself a meal and have the discipline to not eat any garbage before that.

00:41:47.000 Because when you're tired, you make the worst dietary decisions.

00:41:52.000 There's a part of you when you're tired.

00:41:53.000 I forget what it's called.

00:41:54.000 I forget what the, this is actually like a thing that happens where you are impulsively going to go towards things that are bad for you.

00:42:04.000 Yeah.

00:42:04.000 You're impulsively going to go towards potato chips and ice cream and candy and bullshit because you're fatigued.

00:42:11.000 And there's convenience, right?

00:42:13.000 It's not just that.

00:42:14.000 If there was a fucking home-cooked meal, like mashed potatoes, green beans, a beautiful half-chicken that was cooked on a grill, or ice cream.

00:42:28.000 You might take the ice cream if no one was around.

00:42:30.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 You know, you might grab a Kit Kat bar.

00:42:34.000 You know, for sure, if there was a bowl of chips, just an inviting bowl of like ruffles sitting there, like, I'm going to grab a couple of ruffles.

00:42:43.000 And that's that weird dopamine thing.

00:42:44.000 Our brain rewards us somehow.

00:42:46.000 And then it fucks with us later.

00:42:48.000 The reward is not worth it.

00:42:48.000 You know what the thing is?

00:42:50.000 It's not a good reward.

00:42:51.000 Like, it's not like an orgasm.

00:42:51.000 Yeah.

00:42:53.000 It's not like the completion of a project.

00:42:56.000 It's not like the accomplishment of some great goal.

00:42:59.000 The amount of whatever rush in your brain that you get from eating a shitty potato chip is not that much.

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 For what it does to you.

00:43:08.000 But if I eat a bag of ruffles, I feel like shit for five hours.

00:43:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:43:13.000 I started.

00:43:14.000 It came from a time place where I was really poor and I tried to figure out like, what's the least amount of food I could eat in a day and still survive, right?

00:43:24.000 Oh, boy.

00:43:25.000 And what I started to do was like do little fastings during the day.

00:43:29.000 So like I'd wake up, get a coffee and not eat until like five.

00:43:33.000 But then I started realizing that I felt good doing that.

00:43:36.000 You know, like, like my body started feeling better.

00:43:39.000 And my, now I pretty much do it regularly now, even though like I have money to get food, I would just wait, just wait.

00:43:48.000 And I found myself actually getting pleasure from the pain of starvation.

00:43:56.000 Like I started to, I started to like the feeling of being hungry.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, at a certain point.

00:44:03.000 How long are you talking about?

00:44:04.000 This is like 24 hours in or how many hours in?

00:44:07.000 No, it's like, so I would basically eat one meal at like 5.30.

00:44:13.000 So no food all day except, you know, I'd have some coffee with a little bit of half and half in it, so some fat and drinking water, of course, or maybe like eat like a fucking banana or something.

00:44:13.000 Okay.

00:44:24.000 And like my body just felt great to where like before, you know, I was probably eating something shitty in the morning, feeling shitty until noon, eat some other fucking shitty thing.

00:44:36.000 You know, as a young person, you just do whatever the fuck.

00:44:39.000 Well, your body will get adapted.

00:44:41.000 I mean, that's why that whole intermittent fasting thing is interesting, right?

00:44:45.000 Because you're making your body digest food all day long.

00:44:49.000 Like if you're eating all day long, your body, your digestion system never gets break.

00:44:54.000 Well, I started thinking like even like, you know, back to chasing the fucking deer, like our bodies used to have to go hunt to get something to eat.

00:45:04.000 So this idea of like waiting, you know, eight hours, six hours before eating anything from waking up, like it all, it started to feel natural for me.

00:45:14.000 Well, it is natural as long as you're eating natural food.

00:45:17.000 That's the thing.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 Yeah.

00:45:18.000 So if you're eating processed foods and a lot of bread and a lot of pasta and a lot of stuff that human beings have made, especially like our American bread, your body's accustomed to a lot of Sugar.

00:45:30.000 Your body's accustomed to those complex carbohydrates just pouring into your system all day long, and you're using those as a fuel source.

00:45:38.000 If you're subsisting off of fat and protein and meat and like avocados and you're eating healthy food, your body is working off a lot of ketones.

00:45:48.000 Your body is making its own glucose through gluconeogenesis from the meat.

00:45:55.000 And it's also running off of ketones from the fat.

00:45:58.000 It's a way more efficient way of doing it.

00:46:01.000 And when you do that, you don't get nearly as hungry.

00:46:04.000 You don't have that feeling, that awful feeling.

00:46:07.000 When I was eating a lot of carbs, and if I would go like four or five hours without eating, I would start getting fucking famished.

00:46:14.000 Yeah.

00:46:14.000 You don't get famished when you eat only meat.

00:46:18.000 It stops.

00:46:20.000 You get hungry, but it's totally manageable.

00:46:23.000 Yeah.

00:46:23.000 Just that alone, I love that not requiring food.

00:46:29.000 Like I can go, sometimes I won't eat breakfast.

00:46:32.000 Sometimes I'll work out.

00:46:34.000 I won't eat breakfast.

00:46:35.000 I'll come here.

00:46:36.000 I'll be here all day.

00:46:38.000 And the first meal I have is dinner.

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 And I'm fine.

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 I'm literally fine.

00:46:43.000 Like it's not bothering me.

00:46:44.000 And it's only because my body's adapted to not eat processed shit.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, because it's different if you feel like you're going to throw up or pass out because you haven't fucking eaten.

00:46:53.000 And that's people that eat a lot of fucking glucose.

00:46:56.000 People that are eating a lot of carbohydrates, a lot of bullshit.

00:46:59.000 Your body needs fuel.

00:47:01.000 You get low blood sugar and you start feeling like shit.

00:47:04.000 And like, you got to get something in you.

00:47:06.000 Well, I noticed as soon as I started doing that, like the stored fat, like in my little love handles or whatever, like immediately just it was like the body's like, okay, I got to use this shit now.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:17.000 And burn it up.

00:47:18.000 Just complete body change.

00:47:20.000 And like, and mentally, I felt so much better.

00:47:24.000 Yeah, people that fast, and I've never fasted for more than 24 hours, but people that fast for like three days, they all talk about how great they feel at the end.

00:47:32.000 You feel euphoric and incredible, and like you have so much energy.

00:47:36.000 I'm like, that sounds nuts.

00:47:37.000 It sounds like you'd be fucking dying.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, because I mean, I do get miserable sometimes of like, I could just eat a fucking steak.

00:47:44.000 I hold it off.

00:47:45.000 I hold off the idea of fasting because I make all these excuses for myself.

00:47:50.000 Like, oh, I've got to do my show.

00:47:52.000 I got to, it's important.

00:47:53.000 I can't be out of it.

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:54.000 And that's for me.

00:47:55.000 I don't have any like stringent routine of like, I'm not allowed to fucking eat something.

00:48:00.000 It's just the routine that I've got into now to where it's like, I just sit down and work.

00:48:04.000 But that kind of probably helps a little bit too because of that mind state of like, I don't really, if when I'm in the mode of painting, like, I don't have to go to the bathroom.

00:48:12.000 I, I, I'm not hungry.

00:48:14.000 Do you drink coffee or anything while you're doing that?

00:48:16.000 Yeah, yeah, I drink espresso during the day.

00:48:18.000 Or like, I'll get a quad espresso and then it just kind of lasts most of the day, you know, until like noon or whatever.

00:48:25.000 And that, I mean, that keeps me kind of on the level, I suppose, because there is some fat in there.

00:48:31.000 And like the caffeine obviously helps.

00:48:34.000 Yeah, it's a little something.

00:48:36.000 Yeah.

00:48:37.000 Caffeine helps with hunger.

00:48:38.000 But I think that what you're saying, the focus is probably the big thing, that you're just so locked into what you're doing that you're not even.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, it's like I'm not even in my body anymore.

00:48:45.000 Like the body is separated from the mind in some way.

00:48:49.000 That thing that you were talking about earlier, that is such a weird thing, where it feels like whatever you're working on just sort of takes over.

00:48:56.000 To me, it's something subconscious.

00:48:57.000 Because I look at jujitsu or painting or any real art form as creative problem solving.

00:49:08.000 So for me, all of those things, like it tickles the same part of my brain to where the like I'll ask myself questions.

00:49:17.000 And it tends to be like you have to ask yourself the right questions.

00:49:20.000 Like I've had, like, I don't know how to use how to fix a car to save my life, but I've had to fix some shit to where I'm like, hmm, what should I do here?

00:49:29.000 Or like, you know, you'll just try something.

00:49:33.000 But it's almost like a subconscious voice.

00:49:36.000 Like I was saying, how the painting will kind of tell me how to, how to, like, where to go next to where I'm, I don't know an answer, but somehow I come up with it, right?

00:49:45.000 Just by kind of asking my brain, you know, what, what should we do here?

00:49:51.000 And it's, it's, it's always like fascinated me that I'll, it's like my brain comes up with solutions to these problems by, you know, running some computation of like, well, if we did this, this will happen.

00:50:03.000 If we did that, this will happen.

00:50:05.000 And I'll come up with ideas that are like I don't have, that aren't conscious ideas or thoughts that seep in from some depth in my brain that it's like, it's not my control.

00:50:21.000 It's not like a brag.

00:50:23.000 Right, right, right.

00:50:24.000 It's like some way of thinking that I can get solutions to problems that I don't know the solution to.

00:50:31.000 And you don't feel like those solutions are yours.

00:50:31.000 Right.

00:50:33.000 No.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 That's what that's.

00:50:35.000 It comes from somewhere else.

00:50:35.000 Yeah.

00:50:37.000 I'd like to think of it as like some part of my subconscious or some part of the brain that I'm not accessing in conscious reality that is coming up with answers.

00:50:48.000 But I'm amazed by it all the time.

00:50:50.000 Like if you've ever had like a light that wasn't working in your house, right?

00:50:55.000 But if you like flip the switch three times and then like turn the fucking heater on, somehow the light comes on.

00:51:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:02.000 Like you figure out these ways to accomplish a task or figuring out a solution to a problem.

00:51:11.000 And for me, I feel like with painting and jiu-jitsu or now anything, like I remember I pinched a nerve in my neck like bad to where it's like I couldn't even sit up.

00:51:20.000 And I was like, how the fuck am I going to get out of bed?

00:51:23.000 And just ended up picking my leg up, hooking my arm behind my leg and doing like a jiu-jitsu thing to like sit myself up because I couldn't like actually set myself up.

00:51:32.000 And I was like, I've never done that before.

00:51:34.000 That's so fucking strange.

00:51:35.000 But like, my brain just told me to do that.

00:51:39.000 Well, that makes sense, though.

00:51:40.000 You know how to use your body from jujitsu and this would be a good thing.

00:51:42.000 Right, without using your abs.

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, but there's all kinds of like fixing a fucking car.

00:51:48.000 Like, I don't know what I'm doing, but this seems to be like my brain telling me, maybe try this.

00:51:55.000 You know, and with all of these processes of, you know, martial arts and painting, just some creative problem-solving aspect of the brain that's almost separated from and gets nurtured with use.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, it builds.

00:52:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:13.000 Like, it gets strong.

00:52:15.000 Well, this is what Pressfield talks about when he talks about summoning the muse.

00:52:19.000 You know, when he wrote, did you ever read the book, The War of Art?

00:52:21.000 I haven't.

00:52:22.000 I've got a copy.

00:52:23.000 I'll give you a copy of it.

00:52:24.000 He gave me a box of them because I used to have a box of them on the desk in the old studio that I hand out to people.

00:52:28.000 But it's a short read, but it's an amazing read on this concept of the muse and that like treating this thing like you're a professional.

00:52:37.000 You're going to show up at this time and you're going to summon the muse.

00:52:40.000 And you're going to do it with sincerity.

00:52:41.000 And if you do that, and you show up every day to work.

00:52:43.000 Yeah.

00:52:44.000 And it really does.

00:52:45.000 That's exactly.

00:52:45.000 That's what I do.

00:52:46.000 I mean, I live that.

00:52:47.000 Like, I get up, get coffee, I go to the studio.

00:52:50.000 And I'm there until it's time to leave.

00:52:53.000 Then I go teach at night and then I repeat the whole process.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:57.000 And it's joy.

00:52:58.000 Like, there isn't a lot of, like, I probably have a bit of a short attention span to where like things can get fucking boring.

00:53:05.000 But obviously, not painting.

00:53:07.000 No.

00:53:07.000 I leave after a long day and I feel myself feeling guilty that I'm not still there.

00:53:14.000 Wow.

00:53:15.000 You see, that's why I have a problem when people use that term ADHD.

00:53:20.000 Because I think about myself as a boy, and I'm like, I know they would have fucking diagnosed me.

00:53:24.000 If I had the wrong parents, I know they would have diagnosed me and they would have brought me to a doctor who would have put me on some fucking medication and it would have ruined whatever weird quality that I have that lets me focus on things intensely.

00:53:38.000 You know, they want to pretend that everybody has to be the same thing.

00:53:41.000 Like everybody can't be the same thing.

00:53:43.000 We're all wired different.

00:53:45.000 I'm not wired normal.

00:53:47.000 I'm wired.

00:53:47.000 Like if what you're saying is boring, I'm like, oh, God.

00:53:50.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 How the fuck do I get out of here?

00:53:53.000 I know some people that are going to go, whoa, so what are you going to do about that, Fred?

00:53:57.000 They can have the boringest fucking conversations all day.

00:54:00.000 I literally feel physical pain when I'm being bored.

00:54:03.000 But if I find something that's really interesting, like really interesting, I can lock on.

00:54:09.000 And when I lock onto that, I have no problem paying attention.

00:54:12.000 And that's a fucking superpower.

00:54:14.000 I think so.

00:54:14.000 And I think they're fucking kids up, man.

00:54:17.000 And I think there's a lot of lazy parents that don't want to deal with this extraordinary child that has this weird thing that you haven't harnessed.

00:54:24.000 And you're putting that kid on fucking speed.

00:54:26.000 They're putting him on Riddling and shit.

00:54:28.000 They were going to try to give me Riddling when I was a kid.

00:54:31.000 I wasn't a spazzy kid.

00:54:32.000 I wasn't, it just, I was bored as fuck by what, like, whatever they were trying to do in school.

00:54:37.000 You're an artist.

00:54:39.000 Yeah.

00:54:39.000 But no one can recognize that.

00:54:41.000 It's almost like they want to pretend that that is not a real option for a human.

00:54:47.000 But why are there so many artists?

00:54:48.000 No, I know.

00:54:49.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:54:51.000 How is that possible that you want everybody to fit into this fucking square peg?

00:54:57.000 How is it possible that you're teaching and a kid comes along and he's bouncing off the wall, but that motherfucker could play video games like an assassin.

00:55:04.000 Like, okay.

00:55:06.000 Clearly, there's something going on with the video games that you're not providing him in the real world.

00:55:12.000 And his ability to excel at video games shows he's extraordinary.

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 It's just about focusing that.

00:55:18.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 If you take some little girl who just wants to talk to her friends and joke around in class and you fucking medicate her, she could have probably been an amazing artist.

00:55:28.000 Maybe she would have found a subject that she just lost, like some kind of a science subject she locks onto.

00:55:34.000 And now all of a sudden that thing doesn't exist anymore.

00:55:37.000 It's not like she's scattered all.

00:55:38.000 No, she's just bored.

00:55:41.000 What you're doing is boring.

00:55:43.000 Your class is fucking boring.

00:55:45.000 You have uninspired teachers who are underpaid.

00:55:48.000 No one gives a fuck about them.

00:55:50.000 They're basically babysitters.

00:55:52.000 And you're bored.

00:55:53.000 And because the teacher doesn't want to deal with you being bored, they tell the principal.

00:55:57.000 The principal tells the doctor.

00:55:59.000 The doctor recommends another doctor.

00:56:01.000 And then little Billy is sitting there in his fucking doctor's office.

00:56:05.000 And then they pop him full of Riddle.

00:56:07.000 And I had Henry Rollins on the podcast once, and he's telling me they put him on Riddling when he was a little kid.

00:56:12.000 Yeah.

00:56:13.000 He said he was just fucking like all day long.

00:56:16.000 I'm like, God damn, man.

00:56:19.000 That's so nuts.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, I remember seeing those kids too.

00:56:22.000 Just like fucking spun out.

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:24.000 Spun out.

00:56:25.000 And now they're all on Adderall, man.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, and that's fucking there's a ton of young kids out there in the world that do not have a problem.

00:56:36.000 And they're on Adderall because it helps them concentrate.

00:56:39.000 It helps their scores for college.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 100%.

00:56:43.000 I can't run T it.

00:56:45.000 There are kids out there in high school right now that are popping Adderall all the time so that they could do better on tests so they could do better in college.

00:56:54.000 And then they're taking Xanax to come down off the fucking Adderall.

00:56:59.000 So terrible.

00:57:01.000 So fucking terrible.

00:57:02.000 It's fucking terrible.

00:57:03.000 And, you know, these pharmaceutical drug companies are just vampires.

00:57:07.000 Yeah.

00:57:08.000 This is what you need.

00:57:10.000 This is what you need, Mike.

00:57:12.000 Seeing the fucking commercials.

00:57:15.000 Don't you want to be happy?

00:57:16.000 Don't you want to dance in a wheat field with your child?

00:57:19.000 Don't you want to go to the barbecue?

00:57:22.000 Look, everyone's at the barbecue.

00:57:23.000 They're happy.

00:57:24.000 Everybody's happy.

00:57:25.000 They're not happy.

00:57:26.000 Yeah.

00:57:26.000 Don't you want to go to the barbecue?

00:57:28.000 It's finding the thing that is actually going to bring you joy.

00:57:28.000 Yeah.

00:57:31.000 My friend Asana Maud has a great bit about it.

00:57:31.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 I don't want to give it up, but it's a great bit if you ever see him with the mothership.

00:57:37.000 Did you see him?

00:57:38.000 I caught the very tail end of his set when I got there.

00:57:41.000 He's got a great bit about he's great.

00:57:44.000 He's a funny dude, too.

00:57:45.000 He's been my friend since he was a door guy at the comedy store.

00:57:48.000 So it's so interesting to see him from a very raw beginner to where he is now.

00:57:54.000 I mean, you've gotten to see a lot of that, right?

00:57:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:57.000 Yeah, all the guys with Ari and Joey and Duncan, all those guys.

00:58:01.000 Yeah.

00:58:02.000 Pretty wild.

00:58:03.000 Oh, it's been a while.

00:58:04.000 You've been seeing how the comedy scene has kind of started to flourish here and kind of like build it.

00:58:08.000 Like that little Sixth Street way there is pretty wild.

00:58:14.000 Oh, dude, there's five full-time comedy clubs.

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:17.000 Right there.

00:58:18.000 I hung out with my buddy Roy yesterday, and I feel like I met like four or five comics just like standing around figuring out what we were going to do.

00:58:26.000 It's the hub, and it's also, this is the most important thing.

00:58:30.000 It's the hub for development of young people.

00:58:33.000 It gives young people a real pathway, a real possibility.

00:58:37.000 And we set it up that way on purpose.

00:58:39.000 Like, this is the idea.

00:58:40.000 So, like, you cannot have a sustainable comedy community without new members.

00:58:46.000 Yeah.

00:58:47.000 I find a little envy in that.

00:58:50.000 Like, that's a little tougher in the visual arts world is because we're so fucking isolated.

00:58:56.000 We're not like hanging out at the same spots all the time.

00:58:58.000 And it's like, that's how things used to be.

00:59:00.000 Like, back in the day, like, the artists would all go to the same bar after they were done working for the day.

00:59:06.000 Right.

00:59:06.000 Like, have an artist neighborhood.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 Like, LA had a bunch of neighborhoods where a lot of artists live together.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 I mean, LA is a little bit different from besides New York than the rest of the art world.

00:59:18.000 It's like if you're not in one of those two or three hubs, like you're, you're kind of isolated.

00:59:26.000 You're like outside of that realm.

00:59:27.000 And we don't have that opportunity.

00:59:29.000 I really like enjoy that aspect of the comedy community to where it's like you see everybody meeting up.

00:59:36.000 Like they see each other every day.

00:59:37.000 They hug.

00:59:38.000 They talk over shit.

00:59:39.000 They can kind of workshop stuff with each other.

00:59:41.000 Like having that ability is, or like that community and that aspect.

00:59:46.000 Oh, so nice.

00:59:47.000 It's so nice.

00:59:48.000 And so when you were there, it's like a perfect setup.

00:59:51.000 Like Shane Gillis was there.

00:59:53.000 Ron White was there.

00:59:54.000 Brian.

00:59:55.000 I got to talk with Ron for a while.

00:59:56.000 He's the best.

00:59:57.000 He's the best.

00:59:57.000 Yeah.

00:59:58.000 He's such a fucking character.

01:00:00.000 Tony was there.

01:00:01.000 So we have this beautiful community, but it's also like the young people.

01:00:05.000 The young people coming up.

01:00:06.000 They're good, man.

01:00:07.000 They're good and they're hungry and they're focused and they realize that there's a real pathway.

01:00:12.000 So because we set it up so we have two nights of open mic nights, which is really important.

01:00:16.000 Like you have to have chances for people to get on stage for the first time and just chances to just develop.

01:00:22.000 You just got a few minutes, you go up there, you tell a couple of jokes, try it again next week, try it down the street, try it over here, try it over there.

01:00:28.000 And if you want to do it, if you really want to do it, there's a bunch of people that are also doing it here.

01:00:32.000 So there's like a great community and it's pretty fucking positive, man.

01:00:36.000 Everybody's pretty, instead of being cutthroat and backstabby, everybody's real supportive.

01:00:42.000 Big difference from LA, right?

01:00:43.000 Big difference.

01:00:44.000 I noticed just the sort of like every interaction I had while I was here for just three days just felt so genuine.

01:00:51.000 Like not like somebody's trying to get something from you.

01:00:54.000 They're regular folks out here.

01:00:56.000 Everybody just seemed so laid back and chill.

01:00:59.000 And they're focused.

01:01:01.000 Regular humans.

01:01:02.000 What we were dealing with in Los Angeles was some amazing people.

01:01:08.000 There's a lot of amazing people in LA, but the overall vibe of the city was a vibe of you were trying to stand out from everybody else and get famous.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 You could feel it.

01:01:21.000 You could feel it.

01:01:22.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 Because I mean, growing up in San Diego, like I spent a lot of time in LA.

01:01:26.000 Like I could sense the feeling of like everybody.

01:01:30.000 Like it felt like everybody was trying to do something.

01:01:33.000 Like every single person you saw on the street was up to something.

01:01:33.000 Yes.

01:01:36.000 And then it got real weird when reality TV came along because you didn't have to have any talent.

01:01:41.000 So it used to be you wanted to be an actor and people that didn't have any talent in acting, you couldn't convince them otherwise.

01:01:47.000 They thought they could do it.

01:01:48.000 Everybody thought they could act because acting is essentially just talking.

01:01:52.000 It's just pretending to talk when you, you know, like we know.

01:01:55.000 Some way people do it so badly.

01:01:57.000 So bad, but they don't think they do.

01:01:58.000 Right.

01:01:59.000 So it's a, but it's a thing that you can't discern.

01:02:02.000 In a way, it's a little bit like comedy.

01:02:03.000 Like you see a guy like Ron White tell a story on stage and it's so effortless and hilarious that you think, oh, he's not even trying.

01:02:10.000 I can do that.

01:02:12.000 I tell stories.

01:02:13.000 My stories are good too.

01:02:14.000 And you think you could go do it because you don't understand what's actually happening.

01:02:17.000 It's just confusing you.

01:02:19.000 Well, that whole routine, like the idea of like, like writing a monologue seems so obscure to me.

01:02:19.000 It's tricking you.

01:02:26.000 Like I feel like I can be funny in a scenario where it's like people are talking and you have something to bounce off of.

01:02:32.000 But to get up there and do a monologue by yourself, like that, it feels so alien to me.

01:02:38.000 To you, because you're smart.

01:02:39.000 But to a dumb dude who sees that, he's like, I could do comedy.

01:02:43.000 And so there was all these people that were just looking at comedy and also looking at acting as a pathway to getting attention.

01:02:52.000 And then it really got fucked with social media.

01:02:54.000 So when I was leaving, like a year or two before I left, I was already thinking about leaving.

01:03:00.000 I was like, I got to get out of here.

01:03:02.000 And then I remember I was at a steakhouse and these people were there and people were taking pictures of them.

01:03:09.000 I'm like, what is this?

01:03:10.000 And someone said, I don't even think it was a TikTok influencer.

01:03:14.000 I think it was a Vine influencer.

01:03:16.000 Like, this is a Vine influencer.

01:03:17.000 I was like, what does that mean?

01:03:18.000 Like, what do they do?

01:03:20.000 And it's like, oh, they dance.

01:03:21.000 They dance around and like people are here to see.

01:03:24.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:03:25.000 Like, this is nuts.

01:03:26.000 So it became another way that you could get famous.

01:03:29.000 You could just get famous by doing pranks or being obnoxious or taking your clothes off and yelling in traffic.

01:03:35.000 And so everybody was just trying to get famous.

01:03:38.000 When you get out of there, you come to a place like Austin, there's this relaxation because they're just people.

01:03:46.000 All that's gone.

01:03:47.000 No one here is trying to get famous.

01:03:49.000 It's very rare that someone's trying to get famous.

01:03:52.000 And then if you can insert a comedy community there that really values the process and the results of the art, that's what we're really all about.

01:04:03.000 We're really all about killing.

01:04:05.000 All that other stuff comes.

01:04:06.000 The reason why Shane Gillis is the number one comic in the world is because he works hard and he's really fucking funny and the process yields an amazing result.

01:04:17.000 He's so sincere.

01:04:18.000 Super sincere.

01:04:19.000 But the point is, like, he doesn't give a fuck about Vame.

01:04:22.000 Like, he's not trying to get famous.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 I know him.

01:04:24.000 Yeah.

01:04:25.000 Like, it's just not something that happened.

01:04:26.000 We were joking, right?

01:04:27.000 Bro, fame sucks.

01:04:28.000 Like, we were in the green room the other night talking about how much fame sucks in some ways.

01:04:34.000 I'm like, you can handle it.

01:04:35.000 You'll be fine.

01:04:36.000 You're going to handle it.

01:04:37.000 Yeah, it's such a different experience.

01:04:38.000 Like, as a painter, like, nobody really fucking knows what you look like.

01:04:42.000 Most of you are not.

01:04:43.000 They do now, bitch.

01:04:45.000 Oops, I spilled coffee.

01:04:46.000 Shit.

01:04:47.000 Not much, luckily.

01:04:48.000 It's almost out.

01:04:49.000 But there's some sense of stress to that.

01:04:55.000 I mean, I've even experienced it a little bit with like hanging out with you a couple times of like people coming up.

01:04:59.000 I'm Like, fuck, this is so weird.

01:05:01.000 Like, why, like, why do people act like this?

01:05:04.000 Like, they don't know how to act.

01:05:05.000 They get weird.

01:05:06.000 Well, that's the thing also that people like about being famous.

01:05:09.000 They want people to be uncomfortable around them.

01:05:11.000 They want to be extraordinary without even trying.

01:05:14.000 Yeah.

01:05:15.000 You know, it's a weird thing, man.

01:05:17.000 It's a weird thing that has existed with royalty.

01:05:20.000 You know, it's kind of the same thing.

01:05:22.000 It's like this desire that people have to be exceptional and stand above everyone else for almost no reason.

01:05:29.000 And the fame thing in Hollywood was the thing that was holding the art form of comedy back, too, because it was this velvet prison that existed.

01:05:38.000 That if you were a good boy or a good girl and you drew between the lines and you didn't say anything too crazy, you could get a sitcom or you could get a TV show.

01:05:47.000 You could have a snipe show.

01:05:49.000 Where people just like people who want to be actors take that comedy route.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 They do, but also really good comics tone their shit down.

01:05:58.000 They don't say what they actually think is funny anymore.

01:06:01.000 They say what they think they can get away with and still get a TV show.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:05.000 Well, that's something that I noticed at the show of like having everybody's phones in the Faraday bags or whatever those are, like, allows people to be a little bit more honest and direct or like really say what they want to say.

01:06:21.000 And more importantly, it allows the audience to totally lock in.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:25.000 Because for a lot of these people, it's the only two hours of their whole life where they're not going to be on their phone.

01:06:30.000 No, I know.

01:06:31.000 Other than sleeping.

01:06:32.000 You know, when you're locked in and you're at a live show, it's so fun.

01:06:37.000 It's so good.

01:06:38.000 It's the correct move for everybody.

01:06:40.000 It's a correct move because, of course, everyone is working on new material and you don't want to get released before it's done because new material takes forever.

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 It's like it'll take months for a bit to, and sometimes it sucks at first or it's offensive.

01:06:54.000 Like something's wrong with that.

01:06:55.000 I got to figure out a way that people are not mad because that's not what I'm trying to say.

01:06:59.000 And you could figure it out, but it just takes a bunch of different iterations.

01:07:02.000 And if someone fucking videotapes it and puts it up, like they did with Louis C.K. when he first came back, it screws up the whole process.

01:07:10.000 It's like you're ruining that for literally millions of people because it's eventually going to get on Netflix and people are going to see it.

01:07:18.000 But it's going to take time.

01:07:20.000 It's not a simple process.

01:07:22.000 And we have to do it in front of people.

01:07:25.000 That's the interesting thing about that art form, too.

01:07:27.000 Like, you got to work shit out.

01:07:28.000 In front of humans.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:30.000 It's not.

01:07:32.000 I'm sure what the writing process in your head feels so much different.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, there's a lot of processes.

01:07:38.000 There's the on-stage writing process.

01:07:40.000 There's the writing process in your head.

01:07:42.000 And there's the idea process, which is the trickiest one.

01:07:46.000 Because the most difficult thing with comedy, really, is coming up with a subject that's actually interesting to you.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:54.000 Where you really find humor in it.

01:07:56.000 And those are the ones when I can really find humor in something, that's the ones that I dig into the most because I'm enjoying the shit out of the whole process of uncovering all the ridiculousness.

01:08:06.000 But it has to be something where I'm like, what?

01:08:09.000 That's how it is with painting, too.

01:08:10.000 Like, I'm entertaining myself first.

01:08:12.000 Sure.

01:08:13.000 And then hopefully that connects with people somewhere.

01:08:17.000 Yeah, I think it's all together.

01:08:18.000 I think tattooists are like that.

01:08:20.000 I think musicians are like that.

01:08:22.000 I think it's the Miyamoto Musashi quote: Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all things.

01:08:27.000 Yeah.

01:08:28.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

01:08:30.000 It is beautiful because I think you probably see it in the other things that you do.

01:08:34.000 You see it in your art.

01:08:35.000 You see it in jiu-jitsu.

01:08:37.000 And there's people out there that they're seeing it in writing.

01:08:39.000 They're seeing it in sculpture.

01:08:41.000 Whatever.

01:08:41.000 There's a thing, whatever it is that allows you to get really good at the thing that you love.

01:08:47.000 That thing takes over while you're doing it, and you're almost not there anymore.

01:08:51.000 You're almost like a passenger.

01:08:53.000 Yeah.

01:08:54.000 And that's when you know you hit the good spot.

01:08:57.000 Like, if I'm a big Bukowski fan, and on his gravestone, it says, don't try.

01:09:04.000 Like, that's the insignia, and then it's like a pair of boxing gloves.

01:09:06.000 Another guy, a famous drunk.

01:09:09.000 All of my favorite writers are self-destructive.

01:09:12.000 I don't know why, but they are.

01:09:14.000 Oh, I found this the other day about Hemingway.

01:09:16.000 Hemingway always thought that the FBI was trying to get him.

01:09:20.000 And apparently they actually were.

01:09:22.000 Really?

01:09:23.000 Yeah, they actually were.

01:09:25.000 He thought that he was here.

01:09:26.000 I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:09:28.000 I saw it was like a meme going around the other day.

01:09:28.000 You saw it?

01:09:30.000 Oh, here it goes.

01:09:31.000 The FBI investigated Ernest Hemingway for decades with surveillance beginning in the 1940s due to concerns about his activities in Cuba and his associations with individuals suspected of communist ties.

01:09:42.000 While initially dismissed as paranoia, it was later revealed that Hemingway's fears were grounded in reality, and the FBI did monitor him, even tapping his phones and intercepting his mail.

01:09:52.000 The surveillance continued throughout his later years, including his time in the hospital, and may have contributed to his mental anguish and suicide.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, you can't fucking.

01:10:00.000 Damn.

01:10:02.000 What about booze?

01:10:06.000 Severe depression.

01:10:07.000 Severe depression.

01:10:09.000 42 to 74.

01:10:11.000 They studied him.

01:10:12.000 What'd you learn?

01:10:13.000 That's wild.

01:10:14.000 That's that thing.

01:10:15.000 There's that, like, there's a meme or like somebody saying that, like, you have to beware of the artist because they associate with everybody.

01:10:23.000 You know, like, they're not just locked into like an upper class society.

01:10:28.000 Like, they're like, even like where I was staying, like, I made friends with like three or four homeless guys just out on the street that I just kept seeing around town from being around, you know?

01:10:40.000 Like, like, we associate with everybody.

01:10:42.000 There's no like hierarchy of class.

01:10:46.000 Well, I think if you really want to be open, like really open, you have to encounter a lot of different kinds of humans.

01:10:53.000 Yeah.

01:10:54.000 You know, if you really, like, if you, especially if you're a comic, because you want to, or a writer, if you want to understand people, you have to interact with them.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, because especially as a writer, like, you only have your own experience.

01:11:04.000 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 If you just write your own experience, it's just going to come off as like every character is you.

01:11:09.000 Exactly.

01:11:10.000 Like, to put yourself in the head of somebody else is.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:12.000 Like, you have to be open.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, you have to be.

01:11:15.000 And have like a certain form of empathy to even understand how somebody else feels.

01:11:22.000 That's why there's a contradiction of the star comedian.

01:11:26.000 Like, that's where things get weird.

01:11:28.000 Like, the star comedian.

01:11:29.000 Because if you're a star and everybody's treating you, oh, Jerry Seinfeld, you're take the pictures.

01:11:34.000 Like, you're walking the red carpet.

01:11:36.000 you got to be down with the people.

01:11:38.000 You got to be in the nitty-gritty.

01:11:39.000 Yeah, you got to find some trenches somewhere.

01:11:41.000 You better figure out the trenches because if you don't, and I think if you think about like my favorite comedians, they were all self-destructive too.

01:11:50.000 All of them.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:52.000 Richard Pryor, Hoover, lit himself on fire.

01:11:55.000 That's about a self-destructive gift.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, Tennyson, cocaine, and alcohol, Hicks, lots of drugs, and then cigarettes till you got pancreatic cancer.

01:12:06.000 They were all at least some way fighting some fucking thing inside their head.

01:12:13.000 It makes me wonder how much of it is like, maybe that empathy is too much.

01:12:13.000 Yeah.

01:12:17.000 Maybe that, maybe you feel too much, you know, and you gotta, you gotta kind of, there's the, there's just the stress of the job itself.

01:12:29.000 Like, especially when you find success.

01:12:29.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 Right.

01:12:32.000 Because you got to keep that.

01:12:33.000 You got to also still be putting out new stuff.

01:12:37.000 So you got a chance to see me.

01:12:37.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.000 I'm, this is all new stuff.

01:12:40.000 All right.

01:12:41.000 This is stuff that didn't, it wasn't on my Netflix special.

01:12:44.000 So it's all in development.

01:12:46.000 It's all like, and that process is, it's fun.

01:12:50.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:12:50.000 I love it.

01:12:51.000 But like before I go on stage, I'm amped up.

01:12:54.000 I'm moving around.

01:12:54.000 I'm pacing.

01:12:56.000 I'm listening to Nas.

01:12:57.000 I got some music playing.

01:12:58.000 I'm getting my dance on.

01:13:00.000 I'm having an espresso.

01:13:01.000 I'm fucking breathing.

01:13:02.000 I'm like, I want to get ready.

01:13:03.000 That's why I always feel a little awkward in the green rooms.

01:13:05.000 Like, I don't want to be too like, I'd be like, hi, listen, you're cool in the green room.

01:13:09.000 You know how to handle grey rooms.

01:13:10.000 Some dudes that are a real problem.

01:13:12.000 Some dudes that start telling really terrible stories in the green room.

01:13:15.000 You're like, oh my God, this is so boring.

01:13:16.000 We've got to get him out of.

01:13:18.000 But the green room was supposed to be just for comics.

01:13:20.000 And sometimes people will bring in people that are not supposed to be in the green room.

01:13:24.000 And like, I was actually telling a story about that yesterday when we were all at the American Comedy Co.

01:13:31.000 in San Diego when Doug was doing that.

01:13:35.000 Doug Benson was doing the ChronicCon documentary.

01:13:38.000 Do you remember that?

01:13:40.000 Not really.

01:13:40.000 It was a fucking long ass time ago.

01:13:42.000 But some guy came in who, I don't know, like a fucking investor or like somebody besides.

01:13:47.000 Oh, he was coked up, right?

01:13:48.000 I don't know.

01:13:49.000 He grabbed a Bud Light bottle as though it was a bong.

01:13:53.000 He was like, where's the weed?

01:13:54.000 And like, he was going to smoke a bong load out of this Bud Light beer bottle, dropped the bottle, broke it everywhere, like made a fucking scene.

01:14:03.000 Everyone's like, what the fuck is this guy?

01:14:05.000 Like, what is going on?

01:14:06.000 Like, just the way that people will act so fucking strange when they feel almost like they have to perform, but their performance is horrible.

01:14:14.000 Well, I don't think it's that.

01:14:16.000 I think that guy was on drugs, I think.

01:14:18.000 And also, I think they get a documentary.

01:14:21.000 They get anxious, right?

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:23.000 People just get weird.

01:14:24.000 They don't know what to do.

01:14:25.000 Yeah.

01:14:26.000 We're fucking strange.

01:14:27.000 There's a lot of fucking people that are barely keeping it together out there, dude.

01:14:34.000 Sometimes I think that's me, but just barely hanging on, you know?

01:14:38.000 No, you're fine.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:40.000 You're fine.

01:14:40.000 But I think every artist feels like that.

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 Every artist feels like it's one thing that they could do one day that's going to ruin their fucking life.

01:14:48.000 They're always like that close.

01:14:50.000 It's all just like this keeping it together thing that you have in your mind, you know?

01:14:55.000 And you have to have, you have to have some process that you do that keeps you on the work and not on the self-destructive path.

01:15:03.000 Yeah.

01:15:04.000 Because if you're a person that like maybe has a drug issue and you're fighting that off and as long as you work all the time, like you're cool.

01:15:11.000 But then if you wake up late that one day and you're like, if it's a fucking one hit, I'd be good with just one little fucking woo, just a little tipsy.

01:15:21.000 I could stop in the beginning.

01:15:22.000 I was only doing it every now and then.

01:15:24.000 You know, I can just go back to just like moderation.

01:15:27.000 I think it's good.

01:15:28.000 You know, it really gives me a little pep up when I need it.

01:15:30.000 And yang, yang, gang, yang, gang, gang.

01:15:32.000 Maybe your doctor gives you a little adder all.

01:15:34.000 You're like, the adder all is good, but two pills is better.

01:15:36.000 Three pills is really, I get so productive.

01:15:38.000 I think I can get my company off the ground.

01:15:40.000 If I could just really concentrate with these three pills.

01:15:45.000 And then you're fucked.

01:15:47.000 Then you're fucked.

01:15:47.000 So it's like, it's this balance that we all have.

01:15:50.000 And it's not just artists.

01:15:52.000 It's just people in life.

01:15:53.000 It's like dealing with insecurities.

01:15:54.000 Whatever the insecurity is, you could fucking mask it with, you know, some drug or alcohol or whatever.

01:16:01.000 Or you could lean into it and be like, okay, I feel this way.

01:16:05.000 I accept that.

01:16:06.000 What can I do?

01:16:07.000 I think the problem is the term insecurity.

01:16:10.000 Because like, good Lord, everything is insecure.

01:16:13.000 Like the secure things, a lot of secure things are really boring.

01:16:17.000 I mean, the secure things that are awesome, you know?

01:16:19.000 Yeah.

01:16:20.000 But there's a lot of that that's, that's not what it is.

01:16:24.000 It's uncertainty.

01:16:25.000 Uncertainty is what freaks you out.

01:16:27.000 The options that are possible, the things that the possible results, the variables, all the different things.

01:16:36.000 Yeah, and that's going to handcuff plenty of people.

01:16:38.000 But you got to learn how to handle that.

01:16:40.000 You know, I used to, when I was teaching, when I was teaching martial arts, I taught a lot of kids, and I had a lot of kids compete in tournaments.

01:16:48.000 I really loved doing that.

01:16:49.000 I really loved it when they really got into it and they got better.

01:16:53.000 And I could see them improving and then winning tournaments.

01:16:56.000 It was amazing.

01:16:57.000 But I remember some kids would really struggle with competition.

01:17:04.000 And I would tell them, that's because you're smart.

01:17:07.000 And I go, you see these people that are not worried about this.

01:17:10.000 They don't know what can happen to them.

01:17:12.000 They're delusional.

01:17:14.000 They think they're going to be okay no matter what.

01:17:16.000 But you're smart.

01:17:17.000 You know that this is dangerous.

01:17:19.000 That's good.

01:17:20.000 You just have, you got to use that.

01:17:22.000 You got to just hang on to it, use it, and then get in there and you'll be fine.

01:17:28.000 Once the fight starts, you're not going to be scared anymore, which is weird.

01:17:32.000 When the fight starts, then it's just happening.

01:17:36.000 It's just happening.

01:17:37.000 And it's all automatic.

01:17:38.000 And it's all your, you know, you have instincts and you have an understanding of the game, but you also have just dialed in technique.

01:17:47.000 That's all it is.

01:17:48.000 It's all about the execution of all the things you've practiced and it all just happens.

01:17:53.000 But the lead up is so bad.

01:17:56.000 The anxiety before when you're sitting in a locker room waiting for your time, you're like, fuck.

01:18:01.000 And I would just tell them, I would go, just, you got to understand this sucks, but this is just something if you just can accept that this is here, accept that it's here, and recognize that this is a gift.

01:18:13.000 And this is here because you're smart.

01:18:15.000 And the reason why you're worried about all these possibilities is because you're intelligent enough to recognize that that's the thing.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, you're looking for the outcomes and then figuring out ways.

01:18:22.000 That's kind of what I was talking about before, like predicting outcomes and figuring out solutions to problems that have yet to occur.

01:18:29.000 Yeah.

01:18:30.000 Like when you're thinking that far ahead, like that's it's a different chess game.

01:18:34.000 Yeah, and you and the dull-minded nitwits out there that don't have any fear, there's a reason they don't have any fear because they don't have the capacity to comprehend all the possibilities.

01:18:45.000 So if some guy doesn't know how to fight at all, you've seen this a hundred times on videos online, and he gets in someone's face and that guy's like, bang, just cracks him.

01:18:55.000 Like that dull-minded shithead, he is not the fearful one.

01:19:01.000 He's not the intelligent one.

01:19:02.000 The intelligent people are fearful.

01:19:04.000 You should be fearful.

01:19:05.000 It's good.

01:19:07.000 It helps you, especially if you're about to do something difficult.

01:19:10.000 And you should do difficult shit because it teaches you about yourself.

01:19:14.000 And if you don't learn about yourself, you're always going to wonder.

01:19:17.000 And that's the problem with a lot of men in the world.

01:19:20.000 A lot of chess puffy, a lot of fucking really arrogant, aggressive people.

01:19:26.000 It's because they don't know themselves.

01:19:29.000 So they're trying to impose a version of themselves on other people to be respected.

01:19:34.000 You find this in these fucking business CEOs and execs who are really aggressive and they weigh 80 pounds.

01:19:44.000 This is what this is.

01:19:45.000 It's like they're finding a way to try to figure out who the fuck they are.

01:19:50.000 They don't even know themselves.

01:19:51.000 And that's one of the things I like.

01:19:53.000 I fucking know myself.

01:19:54.000 Like spent so much time with myself in a clear sort of frame of thought, knowing my limitations, knowing what I've accomplished when I was even more limited.

01:20:04.000 Like, if anything, I think this whole process is the process between an artist and like, say, someone who wants to be famous or somebody who wants to be worshipped, someone who wants to be the head of a company or the president of the United States or somebody who wants to be beyond reproach.

01:20:19.000 Nobody who wants to be president should ever be president.

01:20:22.000 100%.

01:20:23.000 Yeah.

01:20:24.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.000 It should be, but then again, you know, if you got like some benefit, some truly benevolent dictator that we're all waiting for.

01:20:34.000 We're all waiting for like the benevolent leader who's just going to take control of it, but do it for the people.

01:20:39.000 You know, Marcus Aurelius, someone who just really, really does have the people's best wishes in mind.

01:20:47.000 Human greed is too fucking strong.

01:20:49.000 It's too strong.

01:20:50.000 And anybody that's willing to go through that process, that brutal process, you know, like all the stuff that's in the news today, I mean, there's still, there's possible legal ramifications of things that happened in the 2016 election that we're hearing about today.

01:21:07.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 It's like, these people are gross.

01:21:09.000 Like the whole thing.

01:21:11.000 It's the opposite of the Austin comedy community.

01:21:17.000 So like if we had to choose a president of the Austin comedy community, it wouldn't be that hard.

01:21:24.000 Like whoever wins is great.

01:21:26.000 If Shane wins, great.

01:21:28.000 If Duncan wins, great.

01:21:29.000 Who are you going to elect?

01:21:30.000 Who cares?

01:21:32.000 Everyone's cool.

01:21:33.000 But the presidential world is like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:21:36.000 You have the backings of enormous, enormous military industrial complex corporations.

01:21:44.000 Enormous amounts of money.

01:21:46.000 Pentagon budgets beyond comprehension.

01:21:50.000 It's going to be a trillion dollars this year.

01:21:53.000 What does that even fucking mean?

01:21:55.000 What does this mean?

01:21:56.000 So like the ability to be at the helm of that, like there's going to be no cooperation with the left and the right.

01:22:04.000 And you're seeing what happens when one group gets into power.

01:22:07.000 What's the first thing they did?

01:22:08.000 Like, what did they do when they got into power?

01:22:10.000 They immediately went after Trump.

01:22:12.000 They hit him with a ton of different fucking legal charges.

01:22:15.000 Most of them didn't make any sense.

01:22:18.000 All the crazy shit about overestimating his property and Mar-a-Lago.

01:22:22.000 Like that is the way they were using the law is like, oh my God, you people are gross.

01:22:28.000 Yeah, on both sides, on both fucking sides.

01:22:33.000 The whole system is so fucking corrupted.

01:22:35.000 And it's so obvious.

01:22:36.000 Like we're at a stage where like we have enough information to see like that how much greed and money just corrupts the system.

01:22:45.000 But I don't think we really got to see it until Trump ran.

01:22:49.000 I think you got to see it unveiled in a way when Trump ran that you never got to see before.

01:22:53.000 Because also you got the rise of independent journalism that happens at the same time.

01:22:59.000 So you have people that report just on the facts, not like this CNN fucking lean or the Fox News lean, but just like just reports on exactly what's happening and how it happened.

01:23:12.000 That just didn't exist before.

01:23:14.000 So you get an understanding.

01:23:15.000 If you're paying attention and you follow those people and a lot more people are than ever before, you get a way different understanding of how gross this game is.

01:23:22.000 And because the guy was so polarizing and because he was such an easy guy to turn into a Nazi, like you pointed to him, you're like, this is the, this is our fuck him.

01:23:32.000 Look at the way he talks.

01:23:34.000 He's going to ruin the world.

01:23:35.000 It's a threat to democracy.

01:23:36.000 We could do anything we can to stop him.

01:23:38.000 So what do they do?

01:23:39.000 They stop all the primaries.

01:23:41.000 They don't have real primaries anymore.

01:23:43.000 They haven't had a real primary since 2012.

01:23:46.000 They rig them.

01:23:47.000 They rig it with Bernie Sanders.

01:23:49.000 They rig it with RFK Jr.

01:23:52.000 You know, they're just the whole business is gross.

01:23:56.000 It's groove.

01:23:58.000 I wish us as humans were all like together enough to just self-govern.

01:24:05.000 You would need people to enter into politics at the highest level that didn't need the money and really were good people that really wanted to just change the tone of how everything is governed.

01:24:19.000 And that's going to be so hard to do because the money is so nuts.

01:24:22.000 And this I think.

01:24:23.000 Do you see the Nancy Pelosi thing?

01:24:25.000 The new one?

01:24:26.000 She was being interviewed and then was like, I didn't want to talk about that.

01:24:29.000 Anna Cooper put that on.

01:24:31.000 Anna's a guber.

01:24:32.000 He sneaks it in.

01:24:33.000 She's like, I came in here to talk about the anniversary of Medicaid.

01:24:37.000 Like, she cares about Medicaid.

01:24:39.000 She's worth an estimated $400 million now.

01:24:42.000 How?

01:24:43.000 What's the salary?

01:24:44.000 $70,000 a year.

01:24:45.000 $170,000 a year, something like that.

01:24:47.000 $200,000 a year, maybe.

01:24:49.000 But watching the panic in her face, realizing that Trump is now president and they're talking about literally going after her for insider trading and the undeniable evidence that they have had better results on the stock market than literally anyone ever.

01:25:05.000 And they have access to information about laws are going to be passed.

01:25:08.000 If that's not insider trading, what the fuck is.

01:25:12.000 And that's what I mean.

01:25:14.000 The greed, the level of greed is so strong that you.

01:25:18.000 You got that video?

01:25:20.000 She might even have good intentions getting into office.

01:25:23.000 Shut the fuck up, bitch.

01:25:24.000 Shut the fuck up.

01:25:25.000 Or anybody.

01:25:26.000 Shut your mouth.

01:25:27.000 I feel like it's a system that demons that corrupts the minute you get in.

01:25:33.000 I think if you want to succeed, like what happens?

01:25:33.000 I think so.

01:25:36.000 Maybe you have these idealistic perspectives on how politics works or what you can do and your contribution.

01:25:42.000 And then you get in and you're like, oh, Jesus.

01:25:45.000 It doesn't work that way.

01:25:45.000 Yeah.

01:25:46.000 You have to survive.

01:25:47.000 I've had candid conversations with Tulsa Gabbard about what it was like.

01:25:51.000 And she's a person.

01:25:52.000 She tries to be friends with everybody.

01:25:54.000 Tries to reach across the aisles.

01:25:56.000 She's got that whole aloha spirit.

01:25:59.000 And she was like, it's crazy.

01:26:03.000 Just the amount of backstabbing that's going on.

01:26:07.000 Like when she got into office, first of all, you realize you're not really in control of everything because there's another person who's in control of each individual department.

01:26:16.000 And they'll stop whatever you're trying to do every step of the way.

01:26:20.000 They get in the way of everything.

01:26:21.000 And what are you going to do?

01:26:21.000 You're going to replace everybody?

01:26:23.000 And how are you going to find qualified people to take those jobs?

01:26:25.000 This guy's been at that fucking, he's been the czar of this commission for 25 years.

01:26:31.000 So he knows all the ties and all the financial agreements.

01:26:34.000 Here, let's watch this because it's so funny.

01:26:37.000 Let me just read what he said.

01:26:38.000 I'm sorry that we had some sort of technical issue.

01:26:40.000 Nancy Pelosi became rich.

01:26:41.000 I might have to read that.

01:26:42.000 We're here to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid.

01:26:46.000 That's what I agreed to come to talk to.

01:26:49.000 That means in the election.

01:26:50.000 I wanted to give you a chance just to respond.

01:26:52.000 He accused you of insider trading.

01:26:53.000 What's your response to that?

01:26:56.000 That's ridiculous.

01:26:57.000 In fact, I very much support the stop the trading of members of Congress.

01:27:02.000 Not that I think anybody's doing anything wrong.

01:27:05.000 If they are, they are prosecuted and they go to jail.

01:27:09.000 But because of the confidence it instills in the American people, don't worry about this.

01:27:15.000 But I have no concern about the obvious investments that have been made over time.

01:27:22.000 I'm not into it.

01:27:23.000 My husband is.

01:27:24.000 But it isn't anything to do with anything insider.

01:27:27.000 But the president has his own exposure, so he's always projecting.

01:27:31.000 He's always projecting.

01:27:33.000 And let's not give him any more time on that, please.

01:27:36.000 We're going forward here.

01:27:38.000 And I'm very proud of my family.

01:27:40.000 And while he might make fun of us while somebody inspired by him breaks into our home and hits my husband in a deadly fashion, hits my husband over the head, and he thinks that's a riot.

01:27:51.000 I'd rather not go into some of my other complaints about him right now.

01:27:55.000 Rather to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid.

01:27:58.000 Okay, okay, okay.

01:27:59.000 First of all, what crazy projection.

01:28:01.000 She immediately turned herself into a victim.

01:28:03.000 She immediately went from Jake Tab was like, what's your response?

01:28:10.000 It's ridiculous.

01:28:10.000 Another thing was insider.

01:28:13.000 We have $400 million, whatever, whatever.

01:28:14.000 What's really important is Trump inspired a man who broke.

01:28:18.000 First of all, how do you know?

01:28:20.000 That guy was a literal crazy person that broke into that house.

01:28:23.000 Yeah, that was a weird fucking thing.

01:28:24.000 He was schizophrenic.

01:28:26.000 He had a hammer.

01:28:27.000 He smashed the back window.

01:28:29.000 He broke into the house.

01:28:30.000 Paul thought that he could talk the guy down.

01:28:33.000 It looked like Paul had a drink in his hand, so he's probably a little lit.

01:28:36.000 Probably a little more calm than he should have been.

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:38.000 And then the cops are at the door and the dude hits him in the head with a hammer.

01:28:42.000 That guy was a crazy person.

01:28:43.000 You're blaming Donald Trump for that.

01:28:46.000 No.

01:28:46.000 That's so nuts that you have gone from you made an insane amount of money.

01:28:52.000 A lot of people say you're insider trading.

01:28:53.000 What's your response to that?

01:28:55.000 My husband got hit in the head with a hammer.

01:28:57.000 They're all black belts at deflection.

01:28:59.000 It's funny.

01:29:00.000 You know, it's because they've, it's all because the president has a lot of exposure.

01:29:05.000 Because it's funny, Trump does the same shit with her.

01:29:07.000 If he's on the hot seat, Nancy Pelosi.

01:29:10.000 Yeah.

01:29:11.000 You know, they all have that like natural deflection.

01:29:14.000 Yeah, man.

01:29:15.000 And it's like we all fucking accept it somehow.

01:29:17.000 Like we might make fun of it or like be like, because my bullshit meter goes off all the fucking time.

01:29:21.000 Like you're fucking lying to me right now.

01:29:23.000 You can see it.

01:29:25.000 There's a reason why that whole ability to trade stocks is still in position.

01:29:32.000 And it's because they want it there.

01:29:34.000 They make a shit ton of money.

01:29:36.000 The general.

01:29:36.000 They have all the insider information.

01:29:38.000 They have to figure out at what point in time is this too dangerous and who's willing to like make this a law?

01:29:45.000 Who's willing to change this?

01:29:46.000 And what politicians are going to sign on board for that?

01:29:49.000 Because they're actually voting against their own self-interests.

01:29:53.000 If they all decide, it's like they're playing chicken.

01:29:56.000 As long as they don't do it, as long as they don't do it, then they can still make a ton of money.

01:30:01.000 But if you look at the numbers, if you look at who's making money in the stock market, it is not all Nancy Pelosi.

01:30:10.000 It is red, blue, red, blue, red, blue.

01:30:13.000 It's pretty much down the middle.

01:30:14.000 Yeah, I mean, as long as you could skirt the legalities, why would you not take information that you have gained and try to utilize it to your improvement?

01:30:26.000 And you're hanging out with Harry, the senator from fucking South Dakota or whatever, and Harry's got a yacht.

01:30:31.000 Like, how did you get a yacht, Harry?

01:30:33.000 Like, you know, Bobby's got his own private jet.

01:30:36.000 How'd you get your own jet, Bob?

01:30:37.000 You're a congressman.

01:30:39.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:30:40.000 And those people that are able to generate that kind of wealth, and I think she's like the poster girl for it, unfortunately.

01:30:47.000 But it's not her.

01:30:48.000 Like, who's made the most?

01:30:50.000 Yeah, let's find that out.

01:30:51.000 There's an article here.

01:30:52.000 I don't know if this is officially the most, but there's people that have made more than her.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, I'm sure they have.

01:30:58.000 Where does it say, though?

01:31:00.000 More than 20 memory here.

01:31:01.000 Okay.

01:31:01.000 More than 20 members made almost double the SP 500 average gain, which is crazy.

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:08.000 Which only is like 0.5% more, but percentage more.

01:31:11.000 Okay.

01:31:11.000 David Rauser, Republican North Carolina, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democrat Florida, Ron Wyden, Democrat Oregon, Roger Williams, Republican Texas.

01:31:22.000 See, that's the point.

01:31:22.000 It's like, it's not blue.

01:31:25.000 It's not red.

01:31:26.000 It's just corruption across the board.

01:31:28.000 They're all doing it.

01:31:30.000 If you're making more than 50%, that's bananas.

01:31:33.000 That's bananas.

01:31:34.000 Yeah.

01:31:37.000 Like, what is their, hold on, scroll back down, scroll down.

01:31:40.000 Okay, look at this.

01:31:42.000 The Pelosi one, an almost cult-like following for her financial disclosures, saw the value of her household portfolio rise by 71% in recent years.

01:31:54.000 Like that kind of trading is super unusual.

01:31:57.000 Yeah.

01:31:58.000 To make more than double the average gain of 24.9%.

01:32:02.000 So make more than 50%.

01:32:05.000 That's crazy.

01:32:07.000 Nobody does that.

01:32:08.000 No.

01:32:08.000 And how do you explain that?

01:32:10.000 And how do you explain those superstitions?

01:32:13.000 When you look at the decisions, like she dumps stock, and then three months later, some big bill comes down the line that fucks that company.

01:32:19.000 She buys stock and then three months later, some big bill that comes down that, you know, they're funding for this new project.

01:32:27.000 It's crazy.

01:32:28.000 More than a dozen U.S. officials sold stocks before Trump's tariff sent the market plunging.

01:32:32.000 Of course they did.

01:32:34.000 Well, how about when Trump tweets out to buy?

01:32:38.000 Remember that?

01:32:39.000 That was part of this.

01:32:40.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:32:41.000 Yeah.

01:32:41.000 It's fucking like, hey, don't do that.

01:32:44.000 Is it crazy that he's in his own money, too?

01:32:46.000 How about that?

01:32:47.000 And yet, still, like, poor people are sitting here arguing about who's the better person.

01:32:51.000 Like, it's fucking wild.

01:32:53.000 Like, they're all corrupt and they're all fucking us.

01:32:57.000 Some less than others.

01:32:58.000 Some are allowing us to talk.

01:33:01.000 And that's, I think, that's when you see like the South Park episode with Trump.

01:33:06.000 Like, I know we're not saying we're not in a fascist state yet.

01:33:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:10.000 We're still okay.

01:33:11.000 Exactly.

01:33:12.000 We're still okay.

01:33:12.000 As long as South Park exists, we're okay.

01:33:14.000 Yeah.

01:33:15.000 I mean, look, it's all weird, man, because this system is completely fucked.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 It's completely fucked.

01:33:23.000 And we don't want it to be, and they want it to stay the way it is.

01:33:26.000 And so there's this weird thing where they have to get elected.

01:33:29.000 So to get elected, they have to say the things that we want them to say.

01:33:32.000 And so then we believe it every year, like fucking Charlie Brown going to kick that football.

01:33:36.000 Lucy pulls it away.

01:33:38.000 Cut.

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 But what's the weirdest thing to me is that we're in this complete shifting of the polls where the Republicans now are in favor of free speech.

01:33:51.000 The Republicans want to end the wars.

01:33:53.000 They want to stop contributing to foreign countries.

01:33:58.000 They want comedy to be comedy again.

01:34:00.000 They don't want restrictions on people's behavior and thinking.

01:34:03.000 And the Democrats have developed this sort of like cult-like idea of what everyone should accept and what's normal and what's not normal and what needs to be elevated in our population and what needs to be ignored.

01:34:20.000 And it's just like, God damn, you guys are ruining it for everybody that thinks in a left way.

01:34:27.000 Like anybody who's reasonable, like a reasonable left-thinking person, which is most artists, by the way.

01:34:34.000 Yeah, of course.

01:34:34.000 And then you get to this point where you're like, no, I can't go along with you on all these things.

01:34:39.000 You guys are, you're just a bunch of fucking assholes who are using these subjects as a way where you can behave incredibly shitty, incredibly uncharitable, like vicious, mean, ostracizing people from society.

01:34:53.000 I don't want any part of you.

01:34:54.000 I don't want any part of the way you guys think and behave.

01:34:57.000 And to pretend that you're doing it for good, you're doing it for, you're gluing yourself to the wall for climate change.

01:35:03.000 The fuck you are.

01:35:05.000 You're just a crazy entitled nut and you're fucking up society.

01:35:05.000 You're just a nut.

01:35:10.000 This is not the way that people should be behaving.

01:35:13.000 And I can't believe it makes people go to the other.

01:35:16.000 And the Republicans are smarter about it now in this day and age because they're like, hey, we'll take in.

01:35:22.000 Hey, it's fine.

01:35:23.000 Come over to us.

01:35:24.000 You could say whatever you want.

01:35:26.000 Comedy's back.

01:35:27.000 It's a big ebb and flow to me.

01:35:30.000 It's like some weird natural balance of like things shift a little bit to the left.

01:35:34.000 You shift a little bit to the right.

01:35:36.000 But we got to hold the center.

01:35:38.000 If we motherfuckers could just figure out, like, we're so, we have so much in common, people just generally who would be considered more left or more right.

01:35:46.000 And it's just a few things that really are the basis of our contention.

01:35:52.000 Well, the real problem is the team aspect of it.

01:35:55.000 It's fucking retarded.

01:35:57.000 Yeah, it's really retarded.

01:35:59.000 Yeah, you could say it.

01:36:02.000 Why can't you?

01:36:03.000 You joking.

01:36:04.000 Thank God you're joking.

01:36:05.000 Some people panic.

01:36:06.000 Please edit that out.

01:36:07.000 No.

01:36:08.000 No, retard's back.

01:36:10.000 It's just, you know, I think it's going to take time, but I think we're going to eventually get to a place where we work it out.

01:36:16.000 And my best hopes of AI is my best hopes because it could just ruin the whole world and take over everything and we could become slaves.

01:36:26.000 But my best hopes are it gets to a point of efficiency and intelligence where corruption like that is impossible.

01:36:34.000 And it figures out a way to organize government spending in a way that actually helps us.

01:36:42.000 Because that's what we want.

01:36:43.000 The left and the right both want our tax dollars to be used to benefit everyone.

01:36:50.000 Yes.

01:36:51.000 Unless you're running a business and you can get an advantage.

01:36:53.000 And that's where it gets gross because those people can do so much.

01:36:57.000 And I think AI is probably going to recognize that.

01:36:58.000 It's going to say, listen, you want to really fix this?

01:37:01.000 You have to stop this competitive advantage.

01:37:04.000 Well, it's our ape genes, right?

01:37:06.000 We're just fucking more advanced apes.

01:37:08.000 That's it.

01:37:09.000 And we still have a tribal mentality that's encoded in our fucking DNA.

01:37:16.000 And we have to elevate above that.

01:37:19.000 And that just takes like avoiding greed.

01:37:22.000 And it's also, it's like what you do when you paint is you focus on creating this thing.

01:37:29.000 Like, this is what you're focused On what they're focused on is numbers in a bank account, and they're focused on getting those numbers in there.

01:37:35.000 And they're fucking obsessed with getting those numbers in there.

01:37:38.000 So, all those other steps that they do, like you're trying to figure out your painting, you're trying to like brush techniques and different things, and you're trying different angles, maybe shadowing it differently.

01:37:47.000 What they're doing is trying to figure out how to push this and push that and get this politician to make this legal, and that way they can make more money.

01:37:54.000 And then Nancy Pelosi's like, we're going to pass it, Paul.

01:37:59.000 Put in the wager because it's basically wagering, right?

01:38:02.000 You know, put in this to buy the stocks, it's going to roll.

01:38:06.000 But if you have all the cards marked, yeah, it is.

01:38:09.000 And it's, it's fucking a real unfortunate thing.

01:38:14.000 And how do you avoid that?

01:38:15.000 Because you really, you want corporations, you want them to make Apple fucking laptops and shit.

01:38:20.000 You want a Samsung TV.

01:38:21.000 You want these things, right?

01:38:22.000 So, how do you, how do you motivate?

01:38:26.000 How do you get people that are motivated to make the best products in the world and every year make them better and not have them think only about making money to the point where they're willing to bribe politicians so that they can pollute a river in India?

01:38:41.000 And that's what's so different about artists.

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:43.000 It's like I would make paintings my whole life.

01:38:47.000 Nobody bought them.

01:38:48.000 Nobody gave a shit about them.

01:38:49.000 I would still make them and would give them away or put them in a fucking closet somewhere.

01:38:54.000 Like we, for me, I saw like art as a way that maybe I could get out of like the area that I was in.

01:39:01.000 Like I could grow a little bit.

01:39:03.000 But at the same time, like doing the work was what was important.

01:39:06.000 And what came with that was secondary.

01:39:09.000 It was all just added bonus.

01:39:11.000 Right.

01:39:12.000 So like if I worked, if I was selling fucking wheels or car tires, like I would only be thinking about how much money can I make.

01:39:12.000 Right.

01:39:21.000 Right.

01:39:22.000 Especially if it's not, if you're not like a wheel and car tire enthusiast.

01:39:22.000 That's the problem.

01:39:27.000 It's one thing.

01:39:28.000 If you love it.

01:39:29.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 Like I know dudes who work on cars and they fucking love it, especially builders.

01:39:36.000 Like my friend Steve Strope, who's been on the podcast before, who made my Nova.

01:39:36.000 Yeah.

01:39:41.000 That guy loves working on cars.

01:39:43.000 He loves it.

01:39:44.000 I mean, that is his art.

01:39:46.000 But he makes custom-made cars.

01:39:47.000 And it's like, to him, it's just like making a song.

01:39:51.000 It's just like making a painting.

01:39:53.000 But when you're only thinking about money, man, those are the people that are the hardest to hang out with.

01:39:58.000 Like, you ever hang out with financial people?

01:40:00.000 Like, you ever get stuck at a party in New York with a coked up financial guy?

01:40:04.000 Have you seen this fucking Derek Moneyberg fella?

01:40:08.000 Oh, is he the jiu-jitsu guy?

01:40:09.000 Yeah, got his black belt in three and a half years.

01:40:12.000 Right.

01:40:13.000 But he is, is he legit?

01:40:14.000 Because he's with legit people.

01:40:16.000 So I can't imagine.

01:40:17.000 Jake Shields is a savage.

01:40:20.000 Like all the respects.

01:40:21.000 And Jake says he's legit?

01:40:22.000 I think Jake gave him his black belt.

01:40:24.000 Well, then he's legit.

01:40:25.000 There's no way.

01:40:26.000 I know Jake.

01:40:27.000 There's no way.

01:40:28.000 Jake is his jiu-jitsu is top of the food chain.

01:40:30.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 And I know Gordon is trained with him.

01:40:33.000 I know all these other people train with him.

01:40:35.000 Don her was over there with him.

01:40:36.000 I haven't heard anybody say anything negative.

01:40:38.000 So here's the thing: someone who is like super rich, which apparently this guy is, who trains with the best trainers in the world and actually puts the time in every day.

01:40:49.000 It's super easy to dismiss someone because they're rich.

01:40:52.000 Super easy.

01:40:53.000 Zuckerberg is a primary example of that, right?

01:40:56.000 I know for a fact, Zuckerberg trains really fucking hard.

01:41:00.000 And he goes with real guys.

01:41:02.000 And he brings in people like Dave Camarillo, trains with him.

01:41:05.000 He's trained with a ton of people.

01:41:08.000 So he takes it very seriously.

01:41:09.000 He has access to incredible trainers and he's an obsessive.

01:41:12.000 He's a very competitive, obsessive person.

01:41:14.000 So you could say, oh, he's got $200 billion.

01:41:18.000 He can't kick my ass.

01:41:19.000 That dude could fuck you up.

01:41:21.000 That nerdy dude will fuck you up.

01:41:23.000 And it's because he's actually put in the time.

01:41:26.000 Now, he doesn't have the time that this Derek Moneyberg guy has.

01:41:30.000 If this guy's got, if he's putting in like hours and hours every single day, which is what I heard, that he was like literally training multiple hours a day every fucking day at jiu-jitsu, you can get to black belt level.

01:41:43.000 I don't know if he is, you know, but I know that if those guys say he is, I believe them.

01:41:48.000 I told somebody, I was like, let me just see him do an arm bar from closed guard.

01:41:52.000 Let me just see how sloppy that is, and then I'll know for sure.

01:41:55.000 Or not sloppy at all.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, then exactly.

01:41:58.000 Why doesn't he just show some drilling?

01:41:58.000 Right.

01:42:00.000 That's all it would take.

01:42:01.000 You don't even have to show me you rolling.

01:42:03.000 Let me see some tight drills.

01:42:04.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 That's all it would take.

01:42:06.000 Let me see you go through.

01:42:06.000 Yeah.

01:42:07.000 But, you know, he doesn't have to.

01:42:08.000 But then again, you kind of do have to if you project the fact that you're doing that.

01:42:13.000 Yeah.

01:42:13.000 If you take some sort of like braggadocious sort of like three years, seven months, got my black belt.

01:42:20.000 Right.

01:42:21.000 You should probably show something.

01:42:23.000 Like, hey, let me show you guys.

01:42:24.000 Yeah.

01:42:24.000 You know, because otherwise.

01:42:26.000 I mean, because when I started, I was doing fucking two a day to a morning class night class.

01:42:32.000 And none of that came fucking fast for me.

01:42:36.000 But you might not have been the most naturally athletic guy.

01:42:39.000 True.

01:42:40.000 Yeah.

01:42:40.000 True.

01:42:41.000 But night classes and day classes are great, but one-on-one is the ultimate.

01:42:46.000 If you're a guy like him and you can get John Donaher to coach you, you can get Gordon Ryan to coach you.

01:42:51.000 You can get all those Jake Shields.

01:42:54.000 I've seen photos and videos of him from training sessions with the best guys in the world.

01:42:59.000 So if you can get, and you're hiring them.

01:43:01.000 Yeah.

01:43:02.000 It could be a cheat code.

01:43:03.000 It's 100% a cheat code.

01:43:05.000 It's 100%.

01:43:06.000 If you do it.

01:43:07.000 If you actually do the work, it's 100% achieved.

01:43:10.000 But that's the thing.

01:43:12.000 You have to actually be training really hard.

01:43:15.000 It's not as simple as you know those guys, you talk to those guys, they give you the fucking secret handshake, and now you're good at jiu-jitsu.

01:43:21.000 The only way to get good at jiu-jitsu is hard work.

01:43:23.000 That's it.

01:43:24.000 And I could never see somebody like Jake Shields fucking giving out a belt that wasn't deserved.

01:43:24.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 No, no, no, no.

01:43:32.000 It's like when you hear Guy Ritchie is a black belt, you go, really?

01:43:35.000 And then you hear he's a Henzo Gracie black belt.

01:43:37.000 You go, oh.

01:43:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:38.000 Okay.

01:43:39.000 He's legit.

01:43:40.000 He's legit.

01:43:41.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 But there's not a lot of fake jiu-jitsu black belts out there, man.

01:43:47.000 I feel like we used to see more of them back in the day.

01:43:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:49.000 There'd be like those funny videos of like somebody just.

01:43:52.000 Oh, Eddie caught a couple of those.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 There's a bunch of those videos where a guy shows up at a school and he's got a black belt on and then he rolls at people and he gets tortured.

01:44:00.000 That was like before YouTube existed or any social media existed.

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:03.000 You kind of get away with it.

01:44:04.000 Yeah.

01:44:05.000 Well, I think people, they're crazy.

01:44:07.000 There's certain people that are just completely schizophrenic and they just get it in their head and they just, you know.

01:44:13.000 They're not even trying to like con people.

01:44:15.000 It's just they really truly believe in what their mind is telling them.

01:44:19.000 Well, that might be possible, but I think there's also a bunch of people that their whole life is a con.

01:44:23.000 It's like a series of lies from the beginning to the end.

01:44:26.000 It's just they never live in the truth.

01:44:29.000 And so for them to put on a black belt is just the latest of yes.

01:44:32.000 I was reading about this guy that like said he was a doctor and like did surgery on people for years.

01:44:38.000 Yeah.

01:44:39.000 It's people that are nuts, man.

01:44:41.000 There's one out of three pilots in, I think it's Pakistan, doesn't have a license.

01:44:51.000 That's fucking wild.

01:44:52.000 They have fake licenses.

01:44:53.000 See if that's true.

01:44:55.000 I know I saved the article, but I don't feel like going into my phone again.

01:44:59.000 But it was like, Jesus Christ.

01:45:01.000 Like, imagine you're on a plane and the guy doesn't really know how to fly.

01:45:05.000 Yeah, it's fucking horrifying.

01:45:07.000 Who's he?

01:45:08.000 How does he figure out how to land that fucking thing?

01:45:10.000 I mean, does he know what to pull out?

01:45:11.000 The amount of intelligence to pull that off.

01:45:14.000 Like, he probably could have got your fucking pilot's license.

01:45:16.000 Well, a few successful flights, you would think that the guy would just go ahead and get the license.

01:45:24.000 You're already doing the thing.

01:45:25.000 That's like I see artists in art school.

01:45:27.000 I'm like, you're already making art.

01:45:29.000 You know how.

01:45:30.000 There's a story from five years ago, so I don't know if it's changed.

01:45:33.000 Almost one in three pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses.

01:45:38.000 They didn't take the test or something.

01:45:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:45:42.000 262 pilots in the country did not take the exam themselves and had paid someone else to sit in on their behalf.

01:45:48.000 They don't have flying experience, he said.

01:45:50.000 Pakistan has 860 active pilots serving in its domestic airlines, including the country's Pakistan International Airlines flagship, as well as a number of foreign carriers.

01:46:00.000 Oh my God.

01:46:02.000 How many crashes are they having?

01:46:04.000 I mean, if they're keeping them in the air, ambitious dudes.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, fuck.

01:46:10.000 Sometimes you don't need a diploma.

01:46:11.000 I found that out because of a crash.

01:46:13.000 Whoopsie.

01:46:13.000 Oh, shit.

01:46:14.000 All right.

01:46:14.000 Whoopsies.

01:46:16.000 Yeah.

01:46:16.000 Jesus Christ.

01:46:17.000 Oh, my God.

01:46:18.000 That's so crazy.

01:46:19.000 People are so nuts, man.

01:46:21.000 If you let them be nuts, they will be nuts.

01:46:23.000 Yeah.

01:46:23.000 I think.

01:46:25.000 You got to have like people that don't want any regulations.

01:46:27.000 They want anarchy.

01:46:28.000 Like, shut your mouth.

01:46:30.000 Shut up.

01:46:31.000 I have this idea of like an altruistic anarchism where it's like everybody just treats everybody kindly and the way that you would want to be treated.

01:46:40.000 That would be great.

01:46:40.000 Yeah, but it's so it's we're the our fucking ape mind is there's too many of us that are fucking nuts yeah and greedy and like just out for self and i get it like it makes sense like there's a lot of self-preservation that comes with that but if we could all just kind of pull collectively pull our shit together self-preservation makes sense when you're surrounded by a bunch of people that are also selfish right that's part of the problem is

01:47:11.000 Like if you get lucky and you find a good crew like early on in your life of people who are down with you, they're your friends and they love you no matter what, life is way easier.

01:47:20.000 It's way easier.

01:47:22.000 And there's people out there that, man, they don't fucking have that.

01:47:24.000 They have a bunch of people around them that suck.

01:47:27.000 Just in a form of competition at all times.

01:47:29.000 I mean I'm a lucky person.

01:47:31.000 I'm a very lucky person.

01:47:32.000 But I think the biggest luck that I have is the people that I've met and my friends.

01:47:37.000 Yeah.

01:47:38.000 Because it makes your life so much better.

01:47:40.000 Well, I mean it shows like how much you support your friends too.

01:47:45.000 Like the idea that if we can all get lifted up together versus I'm going to step on your shoulders and work my way to the fucking top.

01:47:54.000 But not only that, but it also shows that my way works.

01:47:54.000 Right.

01:47:58.000 Yeah.

01:47:59.000 Like you don't – it doesn't hurt you to make other people successful or to help other people get more successful or just to tell people they're awesome and give them their – as the kids call their flowers.

01:48:11.000 That's the kids.

01:48:12.000 I struggle.

01:48:13.000 I struggle with that one.

01:48:13.000 I haven't heard that one yet.

01:48:14.000 The young hip-hop kids like to say that.

01:48:17.000 Give them their flowers.

01:48:18.000 But, you know, it used to be giving their props.

01:48:20.000 But it's like that – if you really love that person, that's good for everybody.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 That's good for you too.

01:48:27.000 Like the people that want to step on that person to elevate themselves.

01:48:30.000 Like you're just ruining your own life.

01:48:32.000 You're missing the big picture.

01:48:35.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 And it's not necessary.

01:48:37.000 It's not necessary even in a competitive environment.

01:48:40.000 Even in something you're competing.

01:48:41.000 Like your friends and these people that you're competing with, they help you.

01:48:46.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 They really do.

01:48:47.000 It's almost a necessity.

01:48:48.000 I think it's a necessity with comedy for sure.

01:48:51.000 I always say this, that no great comedy exists in a vacuum.

01:48:51.000 Yeah.

01:48:54.000 I mean there's people that have talent that are in the middle of nowhere and some real small local scene and they could become a great comic one day.

01:49:02.000 But they're not going to on their own.

01:49:04.000 Yeah.

01:49:04.000 They have to be around great comics.

01:49:06.000 They can't just see them on YouTube.

01:49:07.000 Yeah.

01:49:08.000 They've got to see like Dave Attell live.

01:49:10.000 You know, you've got to see something like that where you're like, whoa.

01:49:13.000 You know, you've got to see Colin Quinn live.

01:49:15.000 You've got to see these people that are masters and see the thing that they do and get inspired by it.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:21.000 And start to learn it.

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 Like understand the process.

01:49:24.000 Like that's the same thing for me.

01:49:27.000 Like I thought I was going to be like do the Sunday comics in the newspaper.

01:49:32.000 Like as a kid.

01:49:33.000 Like I didn't know what people did to make money making art.

01:49:37.000 Were you into comic books at all?

01:49:38.000 Not really.

01:49:40.000 But I like I was more leaning towards that kind of aspect of like this is how you can survive.

01:49:48.000 Like actually pay your bills and make art.

01:49:51.000 But you just wanted to make art.

01:49:53.000 Just wanted to make art.

01:49:54.000 Right.

01:49:55.000 And it took I became an assistant for a really well-known artist who, you know, ran a design firm, did fine art, did like ran like was just like like at the top of his game.

01:50:09.000 And I didn't go to art school.

01:50:12.000 i saw what he was doing and a couple other artists like in the same same area was like okay you're you're making paintings you're you're working with these companies to do some design that design money is going back into your art uh practice like It was just being able to see how something exists and then knowing, like, okay, I could do that.

01:50:36.000 Right?

01:50:37.000 We're already doing the same process, but here is the sort of market of it.

01:50:42.000 Here's how you survive.

01:50:43.000 And here's how you continue to grow and thrive.

01:50:45.000 That's how you become a professional.

01:50:47.000 How you become a professional.

01:50:48.000 But I mean, if you're, you know, in fucking Wyoming somewhere, you might not have these people that you see.

01:50:56.000 You're so disconnected from a community, you might not know.

01:50:59.000 And then you're like, well, I got to give this art thing up and get a job because I got to pay bills because you just don't actually have the awareness that there is a pathway.

01:51:10.000 And this is the failure of the school system because it never teaches kids that are artists or people that have alternative ways of existing in society that there's ways to make a career.

01:51:21.000 I got kicked out of the only art class I ever took.

01:51:24.000 No.

01:51:25.000 This motherfucker, we had to draw up a shoe or something.

01:51:29.000 And I turned mine into like a robot because I didn't like how the shoe was turning out.

01:51:33.000 And he said, you have to draw a shoe or I'm failing you.

01:51:37.000 I'm going to kick you out of the class.

01:51:38.000 You have to draw a shoe.

01:51:40.000 And I'm just like, kicked me out then.

01:51:42.000 And I knew, like, you know, at 15, 16, that like art is what I decided is.

01:51:47.000 Nobody else can say what the fucking rules are.

01:51:50.000 Like, this is for me to do.

01:51:52.000 And now I forget his fucking.

01:51:54.000 I wish I knew I remembered his name and tell him to fuck off.

01:51:58.000 There's a lot of those guys that turn people off.

01:52:00.000 I had a high school art teacher turn me off to art too.

01:52:02.000 He was just a dick.

01:52:03.000 And then I found out that the most talented guy in the class is kid John DeVore, who I still contact every now and then.

01:52:09.000 We talk on email.

01:52:10.000 He was the most talented guy.

01:52:11.000 He gave that guy an F. And I go, no.

01:52:15.000 So it's like, I hadn't communicated with John since I left art class, but we did a bunch of stuff together.

01:52:20.000 We did a bunch of drawings together.

01:52:22.000 And when I found it?

01:52:24.000 No, not really.

01:52:26.000 No.

01:52:26.000 I do sometimes with my daughter.

01:52:27.000 One of my daughters is really talented.

01:52:30.000 I draw sometimes with her, but for the most part, no.

01:52:32.000 It's interesting.

01:52:33.000 I did a little drawing on vacation.

01:52:35.000 We were drawing stuff together.

01:52:36.000 It was fun.

01:52:38.000 But, you know, I just don't have the time to get obsessed with it right now.

01:52:41.000 I'm obsessed with too many things.

01:52:42.000 And I have to manage myself.

01:52:44.000 I'm still waiting for you to start golfing.

01:52:47.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:52:48.000 Putting his pool.

01:52:49.000 No, no, no, no.

01:52:50.000 Putting his pool on an undulated warped table.

01:52:54.000 Oh, I understand.

01:52:55.000 I'd be great at it.

01:52:56.000 Listen, I know everybody that I know that I love who's into it is obsessed.

01:53:01.000 And that's part of the problem.

01:53:03.000 It's like, I know what's coming.

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 And I know it's like a fucking multiple-hour thing.

01:53:07.000 You got to dress like an asshole, wear stupid shoes.

01:53:10.000 You have to dress like an asshole.

01:53:12.000 And then I see all these fucking fights where people are fighting on the golf courses.

01:53:16.000 Do you see that drunken guy that got with a hockey enforcer?

01:53:20.000 Yeah, through the dude who was fucking like.

01:53:22.000 First of all, the size of that guy.

01:53:25.000 The fact that you're squaring up and you're just bluffing and you're squaring up with his fucking ass.

01:53:30.000 That's one of those spots where people think they're way fucking tougher because they got a bag full of clubs than they actually are.

01:53:36.000 People get out of fucking control on it.

01:53:38.000 Well, it's just dudes.

01:53:39.000 It's so dumb.

01:53:40.000 And it's drinking too.

01:53:41.000 The guy was clearly hammered.

01:53:43.000 And I think he made a video afterwards apologizing.

01:53:45.000 Yeah, good.

01:53:46.000 Because he was just drunk.

01:53:47.000 He's just drunk and he got stupid, but he got stupid.

01:53:50.000 That's what I always tell people.

01:53:51.000 Like, don't get in fights.

01:53:53.000 One day you're going to get in a fight with a guy who knows what he's doing and you're going to get fucked up.

01:53:57.000 Imagine that fucking fear.

01:53:58.000 Like when he got grabbed by that fucking hockey player.

01:54:01.000 He's got his jacket.

01:54:02.000 He's just fucking hairwear with his right hand.

01:54:04.000 What a nightmare.

01:54:06.000 I hope he was like, wow, I really made a poor choice.

01:54:09.000 No, at that time, he was just drunk as fuck.

01:54:11.000 And probably thinking, I'm going to get him back.

01:54:13.000 I'm going to get him back.

01:54:14.000 Because I know what that fear feels like when somebody really fucking, like, you know, in a gym scenario, somebody really grabs you and you're like, oh, fuck.

01:54:23.000 There's nothing I could do right now.

01:54:24.000 Like, I tapped to Big Nog's side control.

01:54:28.000 He squeezed me so fucking hard, it felt like my ribs were going to come out of my mouth.

01:54:32.000 Oh, God.

01:54:33.000 And, you know, I was like a blue belt, maybe he's still a white belt.

01:54:36.000 And I tapped to side control.

01:54:38.000 And I started thinking, well, what if he was fucking punching me too?

01:54:38.000 That's crazy.

01:54:42.000 Also, he's way bigger than that.

01:54:43.000 No, he was fucking massive.

01:54:44.000 Yeah, he's way bigger than you.

01:54:47.000 The amount of pressure, if you're a really big person, you put down on a small person, it's really kind of unbearable.

01:54:52.000 But even somebody who's like my same weight or whatever, like that when you really like, I'm fucking wrapped up.

01:54:58.000 And like, if this person wanted to, they could end me right now.

01:55:02.000 Oh, yeah, that was always the most eye-opening to me when I would roll with guys who are 30, 40 pounds lighter than me.

01:55:07.000 They just fuck me up.

01:55:08.000 And immediately I was like, I never want to act tough in public again, ever.

01:55:13.000 Like that fear of like, if somebody, I, I got in, there was a guy who was, I was in like a time period where I was partying a lot.

01:55:22.000 This guy was just being a dick to a bunch of people, said something shitty to my friend, and I'm trying to walk away.

01:55:28.000 And it just like, my, my brain was just like, say something.

01:55:32.000 And I was just like, why are you being a fucking dick?

01:55:34.000 Like, you know.

01:55:35.000 And he puffed up and started coming at me.

01:55:39.000 And like, he like swiped something out of my hand.

01:55:42.000 And immediately my instincts kicked into jiu-jitsu.

01:55:44.000 I grabbed, he had like a, like a, like a flannel on.

01:55:47.000 I grabbed his collar like a lapel and I grabbed his wrist and just getting like immediately I was just going to throw him.

01:55:54.000 And then like the other voice in my head is like, the guy had a dog actually who wasn't on leash.

01:56:00.000 And I was like, if I throw this guy on his head right now and his dog runs in the street, I'm going to feel a little guilty.

01:56:05.000 But I sensed in him that, you know, like when a grappler like grabs your wrist, like you feel it.

01:56:11.000 It feels different than somebody else.

01:56:13.000 It's someone who knows what they're doing.

01:56:14.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 Like immediately grabbed both and like put the squeeze on him that I could read in his eyes like, oh, that wasn't normal.

01:56:23.000 And then I was like, no, no, no.

01:56:25.000 Like let go.

01:56:26.000 And then he like walked away talking shit.

01:56:27.000 And I just perfect.

01:56:30.000 And, you know, that's really rare for me.

01:56:33.000 But it was like he had said something shitty to somebody.

01:56:36.000 But to have somebody grab you like that and the fear that can come with that.

01:56:40.000 Yeah.

01:56:41.000 I would never want to experience that in real life.

01:56:44.000 Like fucking horrifying.

01:56:44.000 No.

01:56:48.000 Street fights are stupid.

01:56:49.000 They're terrible.

01:56:50.000 And the people that know how to fight don't do them.

01:56:52.000 They don't want anything to do with it.

01:56:55.000 You should just go to a gym.

01:56:56.000 You should go to a gym.

01:56:57.000 If you have this desire.

01:56:59.000 Did you see this video Recently, I saw it yesterday.

01:57:01.000 You guys make me think of it.

01:57:02.000 What happened?

01:57:03.000 This guy on top.

01:57:05.000 They're saying the guy in the bomb's a white belt.

01:57:07.000 He gets choked out without the use of arms.

01:57:09.000 It's all legs here.

01:57:10.000 Gets put in the arm.

01:57:12.000 Oh, this is so rude.

01:57:13.000 Why is he doing this to a white belt?

01:57:15.000 Well, I mean, they're training, I guess.

01:57:16.000 I know, but it's so rude.

01:57:18.000 That's for the go to you guys being experts.

01:57:21.000 Oh, Eddie can do that.

01:57:21.000 Yeah.

01:57:22.000 Very rude.

01:57:23.000 No, well, it's kind of rude.

01:57:26.000 It's also that guy is just training.

01:57:30.000 He's just using that guy as a practice dummy.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, I just sharpen up stuff.

01:57:34.000 Triangles.

01:57:35.000 It's kind of rude.

01:57:36.000 But I mean, what do you want to happen if you roll with a white belt?

01:57:39.000 Do you want them to win?

01:57:40.000 You want to let them win?

01:57:41.000 No.

01:57:42.000 Like, what do you do?

01:57:43.000 You tap them.

01:57:43.000 You tell them what to do along the way.

01:57:45.000 Like, you got to protect this arm.

01:57:46.000 This arm's in a bad spot.

01:57:48.000 Don't reach back like that because then you open yourself up for the arm triangle.

01:57:51.000 You got to tell them, T-Rex, keep your arms in tight.

01:57:53.000 That's how I coach.

01:57:54.000 When I'm training with somebody, like, I'm talking them through it.

01:57:54.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 I'll do the thing where I tell them what I'm going to do before I do it.

01:58:01.000 So that they can start to work out their defenses and like get an idea.

01:58:01.000 Yeah.

01:58:05.000 Oh, that's good.

01:58:06.000 Because as a black belt, like, you can beat everybody up.

01:58:08.000 Like, that kind of loses some of its shine after a while.

01:58:12.000 I think that guy was using that dude as just a training dummy.

01:58:14.000 He was like, I could just work my triangle.

01:58:16.000 He's just working on his legs.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:18.000 Because if you can cinch up a triangle, even on a white belt with no legs, at least you're getting reps in.

01:58:22.000 No, yeah.

01:58:23.000 And it probably makes it like somewhat more difficult.

01:58:25.000 It's better than that dummy I have collecting dust in my gym.

01:58:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:30.000 Dummy that doesn't have any back at all.

01:58:32.000 Just like slight resistance.

01:58:33.000 You know what I do use, though?

01:58:34.000 I use that Bubba dummy.

01:58:35.000 You know that thing?

01:58:36.000 The punching dummy.

01:58:37.000 It's like the rubber.

01:58:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:39.000 Yeah, with the big water.

01:58:41.000 There's something good for that.

01:58:42.000 Just target practice.

01:58:43.000 It's good.

01:58:44.000 You can't kick it too hard because it falls over.

01:58:46.000 But if you can kick the face, you could slap the face.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, and there's something about those that just you want to kind of give them a little bit of the business.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:54.000 Fuck you, Bob.

01:58:57.000 We have one sitting right next to our boxing ring in the gym, and I always post up.

01:59:02.000 It's really good for practicing certain kicks.

01:59:05.000 It's really good for question mark kicks because there's a shoulder element.

01:59:08.000 And with a question mark kick, you're really trying to go over the shoulder.

01:59:12.000 Yeah, like the Glabe Fotosa, the Fitosa one.

01:59:15.000 Glabe Fatosa, Fitosa had the absolute best question mark kick of all time.

01:59:20.000 And his question mark kick would come down on you.

01:59:23.000 It would go over the shoulders and just chop down.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:26.000 And like that bob dummy is great for practicing that.

01:59:29.000 It's like the best thing for practicing because a bag is so straight.

01:59:33.000 You know, the bag kicking down like that.

01:59:35.000 It's like it's you don't have a real target like you do with that bob dummy because you're really trying to get the neck.

01:59:41.000 You're really trying to go over the top and get that neck.

01:59:43.000 Just yeah, such a strange looking kick, too.

01:59:46.000 It works though, man.

01:59:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:47.000 That fucker works.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:48.000 That works a lot.

01:59:49.000 Because you worry about that front kick to the guts.

01:59:52.000 So you'll do this, you know, or you think a low kick is coming and then it comes over the top.

01:59:57.000 And by the time it's, you don't react, you can't react in time.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, like you're already planning to get kicked in the leg.

02:00:03.000 And by the time you figure it out, it's in your fucking ear.

02:00:05.000 Exactly.

02:00:06.000 And the guys that are good with, like, Luke Rockhold has a nasty one.

02:00:09.000 There's guys that are good with it, like, oof, oof.

02:00:13.000 It's just so sneaky.

02:00:15.000 Over the top.

02:00:16.000 Yeah.

02:00:17.000 That's another thing.

02:00:18.000 Imagine just running into some Thai guy who you think you could throw around.

02:00:22.000 He could fucking blast you with a fucking knee.

02:00:25.000 Not only that, the trips, they're so good at tying up and the clinching and dumping people.

02:00:30.000 Have you ever trained with like a guy who's really good at tripping you?

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:33.000 As soon as you tie up, whoops, your leg is up and you're like, motherfucker, you're right.

02:00:37.000 That's when I always want to throw like flying ankle locks.

02:00:40.000 Yeah.

02:00:41.000 Well, that's the difference between like Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu because in jiu-jitsu, okay, you threw me to the ground.

02:00:46.000 Now it's just started.

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 And now I have a hold of your leg.

02:00:49.000 Then the referee's not going to stand us up.

02:00:50.000 I'm going to break your knee.

02:00:51.000 Yeah.

02:00:51.000 Like, you dumbass.

02:00:52.000 You threw me down with an inside control.

02:00:56.000 I have an inside hook.

02:00:57.000 It's like a fucking superpower, too, man.

02:01:00.000 I'm so glad I found it.

02:01:00.000 Yeah.

02:01:01.000 Like, I owe a lot to you, I think, like, the way you spoke of it back then to like, even just to get into the gym, because that's the fucking hardest part.

02:01:10.000 Like, like, crossing that door path and getting on the mat.

02:01:14.000 Like, there's so many days you're going to be like, I don't want to do that.

02:01:17.000 Like, I don't feel like it.

02:01:18.000 But as soon as you get there, it's like so worthwhile and so valuable.

02:01:22.000 Yeah, you just got to force yourself to do it.

02:01:24.000 And that's something I really owe to Eddie.

02:01:26.000 Eddie is crazy, you know, like creative and abstract as he is.

02:01:31.000 He's super disciplined when it comes to his training.

02:01:34.000 He was always like super, super disciplined.

02:01:36.000 Well, you can see it.

02:01:37.000 Like, my game is very similar to Eddie's and like Lucas Lech.

02:01:44.000 Like that just wherever you can get a hold of the leg.

02:01:48.000 Like I pull.

02:01:49.000 I like to pull with a quarter guard.

02:01:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:51.000 Like I like to play from there.

02:01:53.000 And like I, I'm curious.

02:01:57.000 I want to know how many people have the lockdown muscle in their fucking calf.

02:02:01.000 I've got a lot.

02:02:02.000 No, there has to be.

02:02:03.000 But I've never seen one.

02:02:03.000 Yeah.

02:02:05.000 And it's so.

02:02:06.000 Get that tib bar, dog.

02:02:07.000 Get that thing.

02:02:08.000 Get that thing.

02:02:09.000 It's trying to get it.

02:02:10.000 You put like a little plate on it and you lift.

02:02:13.000 You lift with your foot.

02:02:14.000 It's legit, man.

02:02:15.000 You could do tib bar raises where you just stand on your heels and lean against the wall and just lift your foot up over and over and over again.

02:02:22.000 That does it too.

02:02:23.000 But the tib bar thing, you could do it with weight.

02:02:26.000 That's it right there.

02:02:27.000 Look at that sucker.

02:02:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, I have that.

02:02:29.000 I use that fucker every day.

02:02:31.000 I have both of them.

02:02:32.000 I've been wanting my butterfly guard to get better, too.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, man.

02:02:35.000 This will have a big impact on it.

02:02:37.000 And you could also use it to do a leg extension.

02:02:40.000 So you could do a leg extension and then you could lift the foot at the top if you wanted to.

02:02:43.000 So you could actually emulate.

02:02:45.000 That's actually funny.

02:02:46.000 You actually do it from your back now that I'm thinking about it.

02:02:49.000 You could put one of those in on each leg and you could lie down on your back and you could specifically work butterfly guard.

02:02:59.000 There's so many cool ways to work out now.

02:03:02.000 There's so many amazing people that have figured out ways to protect your knees and protect your back and help your shoulder stability.

02:03:02.000 I know.

02:03:12.000 And just they give it away.

02:03:13.000 They give it away online.

02:03:15.000 We have such an amazing resource available now for training.

02:03:19.000 Think about if you're a young guy, there's these guys that are coming up that have only been doing jiu-jitsu for short, like Joseph Chen.

02:03:25.000 Only been doing jiu-jitsu for a short amount of time, you know, like less than seven years, I think.

02:03:30.000 And dominating.

02:03:31.000 All of a sudden, why?

02:03:32.000 Because he's obsessed.

02:03:33.000 And because he has all this information online.

02:03:36.000 Yeah.

02:03:37.000 You can watch so many instructionals.

02:03:40.000 There's so many videos of guys pulling things off.

02:03:42.000 You can rewind it.

02:03:43.000 Watch it again.

02:03:44.000 Rewind it.

02:03:44.000 Watch again.

02:03:45.000 Get together with your friend.

02:03:46.000 Okay.

02:03:47.000 no, put your hand on the left knee.

02:03:49.000 Okay.

02:03:49.000 And then when I push, you pull.

02:03:51.000 And then watch that.

02:03:52.000 Like, oh, shit, that works.

02:03:54.000 And that takes so long if you're just doing it in an organic, like training way.

02:03:59.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:04:00.000 But the beauty, like, I like, I came up with what a technique that I haven't seen or haven't done before.

02:04:08.000 That, like, it can, everything continues to evolve.

02:04:11.000 Even as much as we've all trained the same shit for so long, like, there's still new avenues to explore.

02:04:17.000 There's still room to be creative.

02:04:19.000 Always.

02:04:19.000 Well, that's one of the cool things that Eddie will do.

02:04:22.000 Someone pulls something off and they have a thing.

02:04:24.000 Eddie will go, show me that.

02:04:25.000 Show me that.

02:04:26.000 Everybody, check this out.

02:04:27.000 And they'll have the whole class gather around.

02:04:29.000 And then, like, tell me what you're doing.

02:04:30.000 Talk me through the thing.

02:04:31.000 What I like to do is I like to get mission control and then I shovel this arm through and then I grip it like this.

02:04:37.000 And they're like, okay, try that.

02:04:38.000 And everybody tries it.

02:04:39.000 And then Eddie will go, do it on me.

02:04:41.000 You're like, oh, yeah.

02:04:42.000 All right, let me try to do it on you.

02:04:43.000 Huh.

02:04:44.000 Like, do not, somebody try to get out of this.

02:04:46.000 And then they'll try to like workshop it.

02:04:48.000 Like, would it be better with this?

02:04:49.000 Would it be better with that?

02:04:50.000 Like, how did you get to this spot?

02:04:52.000 Like, why did you do you have a pathway that you take to get to this?

02:04:55.000 Do you get to this spot all the time?

02:04:56.000 Huh.

02:04:57.000 And that's so similar to your comedian sort of community, too.

02:05:02.000 Like, oh, you have that option.

02:05:04.000 Well, I think that's why I brought that to the comedy community because that was always the way it was in gyms.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 Like in jujitsu and in kickboxing and taekwondo and Muay Thai.

02:05:14.000 Like people teach you how to do stuff.

02:05:16.000 And it's so good for us as a culture, too.

02:05:19.000 Like the way to interact with people who you may never interact with in your day-to-day life ever.

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 Like to have that sort of community aspect.

02:05:28.000 Like, I feel like that draws a lot of people in outside of all the other benefits.

02:05:32.000 Yes.

02:05:33.000 There's a lot of community to it.

02:05:34.000 And it's and it's such a like vast array of different types of people from every culture, from every sort of class level.

02:05:42.000 Yeah.

02:05:43.000 And we all find a common equality, of course, with a hierarchy of experience, but we're all in the same boat together.

02:05:53.000 Well, that's the same with yoga.

02:05:54.000 It's the same with a lot of things.

02:05:56.000 Yeah.

02:05:56.000 You know, it's just like you find a group of people that have also found this very productive, very beneficial thing.

02:06:03.000 Where you going, Marshi?

02:06:04.000 Hi, puppy.

02:06:05.000 Marshall just woke up.

02:06:06.000 I saw your new puppy.

02:06:07.000 Oh, he's adorable.

02:06:08.000 Jesus Christ.

02:06:09.000 He's Marshall's new buddy.

02:06:10.000 They're really fun together.

02:06:11.000 Is it a cocker spaniel?

02:06:12.000 No, it's a King Charles Spaniel.

02:06:14.000 Okay.

02:06:15.000 Marshi, give me a buddy.

02:06:17.000 Marshie, show everybody.

02:06:19.000 Come say hi to everybody.

02:06:20.000 Come here.

02:06:21.000 Come in.

02:06:22.000 Come on.

02:06:23.000 Such a cutie.

02:06:24.000 He's tired.

02:06:26.000 You guys go running.

02:06:26.000 Long day.

02:06:28.000 Not today.

02:06:28.000 Today.

02:06:29.000 He just came here to hang out.

02:06:31.000 He's the best.

02:06:32.000 Golden Retrievers are the absolute best dogs.

02:06:35.000 They're just all love.

02:06:38.000 They just want to cuddle with you and hang out with you.

02:06:41.000 They want to play.

02:06:42.000 But the whole thing is just like, be with you.

02:06:44.000 Yeah.

02:06:46.000 And he's sweet to everybody.

02:06:48.000 I wish they lived like 150 years.

02:06:51.000 They live, if you're lucky.

02:06:52.000 Well, he's on a really good diet.

02:06:54.000 We're putting him on a farmer's dog now.

02:06:57.000 Changing his food.

02:06:58.000 He was on the Maeve stuff, which is great.

02:07:00.000 But he's on a raw food diet.

02:07:01.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you to do the raw.

02:07:03.000 Made a giant difference.

02:07:04.000 Giant difference in the way he looks, the way his coat is.

02:07:08.000 Giant differences in his energy levels.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 You know, well, it's also, it's like, they're just like people, man.

02:07:16.000 If you have a person and you feed them nothing but processed food, they're going to be sick.

02:07:19.000 Yeah.

02:07:20.000 Eating cereal every day.

02:07:21.000 Yeah, I mean, that stuff just sits on the counter forever.

02:07:26.000 It sits on a shelf.

02:07:27.000 You go to the pet food store, those bags are just sitting there.

02:07:30.000 Like any real food shouldn't be just sitting there like that.

02:07:32.000 It's going to rot.

02:07:34.000 So that means that food has nothing live in it.

02:07:38.000 You've got to give them the fucking raw.

02:07:40.000 The raw.

02:07:41.000 Well, like I said, you can cut it with the drive.

02:07:46.000 You don't need to.

02:07:47.000 The way they have these, like, with farmer's dog and with the stuff that he's been eating, Maeve, it comes with, it's like frozen, like, green beans and blueberries and potatoes and food and meat.

02:07:59.000 It's food.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:00.000 It's food.

02:08:01.000 And it just changes everything, man.

02:08:02.000 They don't fart as much.

02:08:04.000 Like, it's, it's so much better for them.

02:08:06.000 They have way more energy.

02:08:07.000 It's like his whole body composition changed.

02:08:11.000 I love it when people actually fucking care.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:13.000 Like their pet isn't just a fucking decoration.

02:08:17.000 No, dogs are the best.

02:08:18.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 Your life will be more loving if you have dogs.

02:08:23.000 They're just always around.

02:08:24.000 They're always cool.

02:08:25.000 They're so consistent.

02:08:26.000 And they have simple needs.

02:08:28.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 They just want to be unconditionally loving all the time.

02:08:33.000 Unless you get a working dog.

02:08:35.000 And there's a lot of dummies out there that go and get a Belgian Malamois and not understand.

02:08:40.000 Like, okay.

02:08:41.000 They're great dogs, but you have a responsibility now.

02:08:41.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 Yeah.

02:08:45.000 Because you don't have a regular dog.

02:08:47.000 You have a super athlete.

02:08:49.000 You're living with like a canine race car.

02:08:51.000 Yeah.

02:08:52.000 That's really what that is.

02:08:53.000 Like you, you can't just leave that in the yard.

02:08:55.000 You see those people that train those dogs.

02:08:57.000 Like doing the little walk in between their legs as they're walking down.

02:09:00.000 My friend Anthony just got one.

02:09:00.000 Yeah.

02:09:03.000 Have a couple of people.

02:09:04.000 He just got one.

02:09:05.000 He's sending me videos of the puppy.

02:09:06.000 I'm like, oh my God, this thing is like broken.

02:09:08.000 Oh, and they jump like 25 feet in the air off the wall.

02:09:11.000 They fly.

02:09:12.000 They run flips and they run right up walls.

02:09:14.000 Yeah.

02:09:15.000 Imagine one of those fuckers chasing you.

02:09:17.000 Yeah, it's hell.

02:09:18.000 They're meat missiles.

02:09:20.000 This is, I'll send this to you.

02:09:22.000 I sent it to, I sent it, I'll send it to Jamie because I sent it to Brian Callan because me and Brian Cowan are both retarded and we talk about dogs all day long.

02:09:28.000 We talk about like, what's the coolest animal?

02:09:31.000 But this video shows the difference between how a shepherd, a German shepherd, which is also a great dog, approaches something to the difference a Belgian Malamois does.

02:09:43.000 Yeah.

02:09:44.000 Have you seen it?

02:09:44.000 Yeah, jumping across the chairs and shit.

02:09:46.000 Here, I sent it to you.

02:09:49.000 Like the shepherd runs around.

02:09:49.000 It's nuts.

02:09:52.000 He's like, I'm going to find a way to get to that guy.

02:09:54.000 I'm going to go around this way.

02:09:55.000 The Malamois runs over the chair.

02:09:57.000 Watch this.

02:09:58.000 Here's the shepherd.

02:09:58.000 So the shepherd, he's going around.

02:10:01.000 He's got to find the guy.

02:10:02.000 And he gets to him.

02:10:03.000 He bites him.

02:10:04.000 Watch the Malinois.

02:10:10.000 It's like just so driven.

02:10:13.000 They're so driven and so athletic, man.

02:10:16.000 And it's not that a German Shepherd's not athletic.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, right.

02:10:18.000 But like in comparison, look at what this fucker does, man.

02:10:22.000 He just runs over these chairs.

02:10:23.000 He gets there in the first six throws.

02:10:26.000 They're so athletic.

02:10:26.000 Insane.

02:10:28.000 So like a dog like that is not like Marshall.

02:10:30.000 Like Marshall is cool.

02:10:32.000 Just hanging here.

02:10:34.000 You got a Belgian Malamois.

02:10:35.000 That motherfucker needs tasks.

02:10:37.000 He's just like, it's basically like me.

02:10:40.000 Like you got to work him out.

02:10:41.000 He's got to do things.

02:10:42.000 You can't just have him sitting in the house.

02:10:44.000 He'll go fucking crazy.

02:10:45.000 Yeah, otherwise he's going to be smoking crack back in the alleyway.

02:10:47.000 He is ADHD in dog form.

02:10:50.000 That's what a Belgian Malmois is.

02:10:53.000 You can't put him on Ritalin.

02:10:55.000 You got to exercise that little guy.

02:10:57.000 Yeah, you got to work that shit out.

02:10:58.000 Yeah, man.

02:11:04.000 But it's like, you got to know what you're getting.

02:11:06.000 You know, if you want a dog that just chills, get yourself a golden retriever.

02:11:10.000 You want a family dog?

02:11:11.000 Get yourself a go.

02:11:11.000 Yeah.

02:11:12.000 Or a lab.

02:11:13.000 They're the best.

02:11:14.000 They just chill.

02:11:15.000 I had a Boston Terrier for a long time.

02:11:17.000 Oh, they're sweet dogs.

02:11:19.000 I haven't been able to get another dog since he died.

02:11:22.000 Like, it was too draining, too emotionally draining.

02:11:26.000 It's hard, man.

02:11:27.000 Yeah, it was like a family member.

02:11:30.000 It's hard, man.

02:11:31.000 It's hard.

02:11:32.000 I still get sad thinking about my dogs that have died.

02:11:35.000 But, you know, there's loss and there's life.

02:11:38.000 You just got to appreciate them while they're here.

02:11:40.000 And I always love new ones, too.

02:11:41.000 I love everybody's dogs.

02:11:43.000 I love Carl.

02:11:43.000 Carl's here today.

02:11:45.000 He seems like a little calmer with Marshall today.

02:11:48.000 Growing boy.

02:11:49.000 He's growing.

02:11:50.000 He's getting his shit together.

02:11:51.000 Yeah, he's just a puppy, right?

02:11:52.000 He's also listening when you tell him to stop now.

02:11:54.000 He's listening to me.

02:11:55.000 He's listening.

02:11:56.000 Bulldogs are a special breed.

02:11:58.000 Especially the English ones.

02:12:00.000 Like, they're just stubborn little pricks.

02:12:02.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 Like, they're going to do what they want.

02:12:04.000 I was watching a lady try to walk her two young English bulldogs this morning.

02:12:10.000 They were walking her.

02:12:11.000 And they'll put that little...

02:12:16.000 And they're like, we normally walk this way, but right now I'm going.

02:12:20.000 I've been going that way, bitch.

02:12:22.000 I'm the boss.

02:12:22.000 Exactly.

02:12:24.000 Yeah.

02:12:24.000 Especially male dogs with their balls.

02:12:26.000 They'll test you.

02:12:27.000 He's never tested me once.

02:12:29.000 Not once.

02:12:31.000 Never growled.

02:12:32.000 Never growled.

02:12:34.000 He's the best.

02:12:35.000 You know what he barks at?

02:12:37.000 Snowmen.

02:12:41.000 In my neighborhood.

02:12:42.000 In my neighborhood, this guy had one of them inflatable snowmen, and I'm taking him for a walk, and he sees a whoop.

02:12:48.000 He's like, what the fuck is that?

02:12:50.000 Is that a guy?

02:12:51.000 Like, the form of it, whatever it was, and it was one of the inflatable ones, so it's kind of like moving around.

02:12:56.000 He's waving around him.

02:12:57.000 He's like, yo, what the fuck is that?

02:12:59.000 Is that a bear?

02:13:00.000 I would love to jump in a dog's brain when they have those moments.

02:13:03.000 Right.

02:13:04.000 Like a snowman freak out.

02:13:06.000 Yeah, probably looks like a fucking monster.

02:13:08.000 Bro, it's so funny because, you know, because I'm relaxed and he's barking.

02:13:12.000 I'm like, bro, trust me.

02:13:15.000 He's thanking you if that was a bear.

02:13:16.000 He's looking back at you like, are we going to fight this fucking thing?

02:13:20.000 Are you fucking seeing this?

02:13:21.000 That's a fucking guy.

02:13:23.000 Like, no, it's just, it's just an inflatable thing.

02:13:26.000 But other than that, he never barks.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, you're going to be fine.

02:13:28.000 He'll bark if he wants to be let in.

02:13:29.000 That's it.

02:13:30.000 He goes to the door and he just let out a little bark.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 Just let you know, hey.

02:13:34.000 Jamie and I were talking before.

02:13:35.000 Like, it's very interesting how you start to communicate with your dogs and you start to understand what they need.

02:13:41.000 And like over enough time, you have a silent communication, which is very, very peculiar.

02:13:48.000 And he knows the difference between going for a hike and then coming to the studio.

02:13:52.000 He knows the difference.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 If we go somewhere and he's going to go run, he's all amped up and he gets out of the car.

02:14:00.000 He gets here and he's like, hey, everybody's cool.

02:14:02.000 What's up?

02:14:03.000 How's everybody doing?

02:14:04.000 Air conditioning's on.

02:14:05.000 He's ready to lie on his back and get pet.

02:14:09.000 It's like, he's the best.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, dogs are fucking amazing.

02:14:13.000 We almost don't deserve them.

02:14:14.000 Well, it's just such a weird thing that we've done.

02:14:18.000 It's so bizarre.

02:14:19.000 They used to be wolves and you can't train wolves.

02:14:23.000 There's a reason why wolves aren't in the circus.

02:14:25.000 Think about that.

02:14:26.000 Think about that.

02:14:28.000 You've got monkeys, bears, and tigers that you can train to do circus shows in front of everybody.

02:14:35.000 You can't train a wolf.

02:14:37.000 They won't listen.

02:14:38.000 But yet he turned a wolf into a dog that literally listens to everything I say.

02:14:45.000 That guy will say, sit down, buddy, relax.

02:14:47.000 And he'll just sit.

02:14:49.000 All right, you ready to go?

02:14:50.000 He's like, I'm ready.

02:14:50.000 And he just gets up and goes.

02:14:52.000 It's like, how did that happen?

02:14:54.000 And the fact that they have that fucking super gene that they could transform into so many different variations of the same thing.

02:15:02.000 Through selection.

02:15:03.000 Yeah, that's what's weird, like selective breeding, where you could turn a dog into Carl.

02:15:08.000 Like, if you have enough time, you can turn a mastiff into this tiny little thing.

02:15:14.000 You just need enough time and enough different select genes and find, like, this female is a little smaller.

02:15:19.000 Let's breed her with a smaller male.

02:15:21.000 and this one has a shorter snout.

02:15:23.000 How are they even...

02:15:26.000 What'd you do?

02:15:27.000 How'd you get a chihuahua?

02:15:30.000 A wolf.

02:15:30.000 From a wolf.

02:15:31.000 You know, they didn't even, they weren't even sure of that until like, I don't know, fucking 20 years ago.

02:15:36.000 Really?

02:15:37.000 They didn't know.

02:15:37.000 They thought they came from wild dogs and shit.

02:15:39.000 It's when they started sequencing the genome.

02:15:41.000 They're like, what?

02:15:42.000 Yeah, it's exactly the same.

02:15:44.000 These are all wolves.

02:15:45.000 They kind of thought probably a lot of them came from wolves, like huskies and shit like that.

02:15:50.000 They're like, no, all of them.

02:15:52.000 That sort of symbiosis is really interesting, too.

02:15:55.000 Like how plants, like we have that symbiosis with plants and like certain plants who have followed our evolutionary line down the way.

02:16:06.000 We get connected to these.

02:16:07.000 I think sometimes we forget that we're still a natural part of the environment.

02:16:12.000 Well, how weird is it that plants literally put their seeds in the middle of delicious fruit so that we will shit them and shit it out.

02:16:19.000 And that shit will act as a fertilizer and help it grow.

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 It's fucking wild.

02:16:24.000 What a crazy.

02:16:25.000 Not only that, but if you eat the seeds, they're bad for you.

02:16:28.000 It has cyanide in it.

02:16:28.000 But if you swallow it.

02:16:30.000 So it's like evolutionary design, evolutionarily designed for you to just pass it through your digestive tract whole.

02:16:36.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 Just swallow them.

02:16:38.000 Or even the fact that it's the certain color that reminds us of a flavor that like a certain color looks delicious.

02:16:46.000 Yeah.

02:16:46.000 And all it's doing is tricking us into eating it to shit it somewhere and allow itself to reach it.

02:16:52.000 It's a certain color that looks poisonous.

02:16:54.000 Right.

02:16:55.000 You're scared of it.

02:16:55.000 Yeah.

02:16:56.000 You know, I was watching this video the other day of a spider that makes a decoy spider and puts it in.

02:17:03.000 You guys saw that.

02:17:06.000 How?

02:17:07.000 It's building a sculpture.

02:17:08.000 Right.

02:17:09.000 Yeah.

02:17:09.000 And it looks like a fucking spider, which is really crazy.

02:17:12.000 So how does a spider even know what a spider looks like?

02:17:16.000 And how did it develop?

02:17:17.000 It doesn't have a mirror.

02:17:18.000 How did it develop this ability to make a sculpture out of its own webbing?

02:17:18.000 Right.

02:17:24.000 Like, look at this.

02:17:25.000 That's crazy, man.

02:17:27.000 Yeah.

02:17:28.000 I mean, that's really crazy.

02:17:31.000 It's making a decoy.

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:34.000 I mean, like those caterpillars that look like they have a snake in their tail or whatever.

02:17:38.000 Yeah.

02:17:39.000 Or mantises.

02:17:40.000 You ever see mantis that make it look like their arms are giant teeth?

02:17:45.000 They put their arms together like the little ridges and they make it look like they have a giant mouth.

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:51.000 Such a fucking bizarre thing.

02:17:52.000 Like how?

02:17:53.000 That's the wild thing about evolutions.

02:17:55.000 Like how?

02:17:57.000 What is the entire process that allows something to develop where when the moth opens its wings, it looks like eyeballs.

02:18:05.000 Yeah.

02:18:05.000 Like, what is that?

02:18:06.000 Yeah.

02:18:08.000 Fucking just life is really good at reproducing itself.

02:18:11.000 How do you get a Venus flytrap where a plant tricks you into coming into the center of this trap and then it eats flies?

02:18:20.000 Nuts.

02:18:21.000 The whole thing.

02:18:23.000 I mean, that's why you got to find some joy in it.

02:18:27.000 Find a little entertainment in how fucking bizarre everything is.

02:18:32.000 We get so wrapped up in our day-to-day, in our just getting by, like just having the moment to be like, wasn't that a part of a problem with working really hard too?

02:18:42.000 Like you don't see the forest for the trees.

02:18:45.000 Yeah.

02:18:45.000 And you can get caught up in whatever the fuck you're doing and like forget like, God, the world is pretty amazing.

02:18:51.000 Yeah, the whole thing is so fucking bizarre.

02:18:54.000 And we try so hard to act like we fucking know it all too.

02:18:54.000 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 To just leave some room for some mystery.

02:19:02.000 It's so important.

02:19:04.000 Well, people are weird, man, and there's no real good working manual of how to live life.

02:19:11.000 Yeah, there's no right way.

02:19:12.000 There's no right way.

02:19:14.000 Like, any advice anybody tries to give you, they're only working on their own experience.

02:19:20.000 Especially when you're trying to pick a weird career.

02:19:22.000 Yeah.

02:19:23.000 Yeah.

02:19:23.000 Like an artist.

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 Like, good luck.

02:19:26.000 Or a comedian or an MMA fighter or anything.

02:19:29.000 Like, you want to do that?

02:19:31.000 Like, who are you going to even ask?

02:19:32.000 You've got to find what you love and literally just fucking go for it.

02:19:38.000 And I know there's a sort of like, okay, you got kids.

02:19:45.000 You got a fucking mortgage.

02:19:47.000 I get it.

02:19:48.000 You know, like, I've hustled all kinds of different ways to make sure I continue on the process, you know, on the path.

02:19:57.000 But like.

02:19:58.000 Yeah, it's very different if you have people that you're taking care of and those responsibilities are paramount.

02:20:02.000 But then sometimes maybe that reward system that you would get from something else maybe comes from that.

02:20:08.000 100%.

02:20:09.000 100%.

02:20:10.000 But what we're saying is that as you are listening to this, if you're going on your journey into life and you think you might be going in a safe direction that it's going to make money versus the direction that you really want to go to, ask yourself how bad you really want it.

02:20:29.000 Like, what do you want to do with your life?

02:20:31.000 Do you want your life to be really fun?

02:20:33.000 Do you want your life to be really rewarding where you wake up and you're excited about what you do?

02:20:37.000 Or do you want every day to be a grind?

02:20:40.000 Do you want every day to be like, you can't wait to get off so you can get a cocktail so you can fucking calm down?

02:20:46.000 Because you hated, you hate everybody in the office and everybody treats everybody like shit.

02:20:50.000 The boss is a dick.

02:20:52.000 And you just get home, you just want to drink and watch Netflix.

02:20:54.000 Like, you got to decide.

02:20:57.000 You got to decide.

02:20:58.000 And you're going to have to take some drastic steps and you're probably going to have a lot of doubt, especially if you're doing something weird.

02:21:05.000 Like if you want to be an artist or you want to be a comedian, like it's a long road, man.

02:21:11.000 That doubt fuels.

02:21:12.000 It can handcuff you and make you stop, but it can also push you to go further.

02:21:18.000 Well, that's where doing something else that's difficult so you know that you can do difficult things really comes in handy.

02:21:24.000 And that's what I always preach about jujitsu.

02:21:26.000 Yeah.

02:21:27.000 I think jiu-jitsu above all of them is the one that you can do the most and you get the most out of it.

02:21:33.000 And you can get hurt for sure.

02:21:35.000 And I've been hurt a bunch of times.

02:21:36.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:21:37.000 But it's a different kind of hurt than sparring.

02:21:39.000 The hurt that you get from kickboxing and that you were talking about from Muay Thai, it's different.

02:21:46.000 You can't do that every day.

02:21:48.000 You can't spar every day.

02:21:49.000 You get hurt.

02:21:51.000 Your brain gets beaten up.

02:21:53.000 Your nose gets fucked up where you can't breathe out of it anymore.

02:21:56.000 It's just, you don't want that kind of hurt.

02:21:58.000 It's too debilitating.

02:22:00.000 And it could fuck with you for the rest of your life in terms of just literally the way you think, which was always the scariest thing for me.

02:22:08.000 I remember when I was thinking about stopping fighting, it was like, because I was lying in bed at night with headaches from sparring days.

02:22:15.000 And I was like, what am I doing to my brain?

02:22:18.000 Like, this is the only thing that I have that's going to help me decide how to get through life.

02:22:23.000 It's the only thing that I have.

02:22:25.000 And once you start meeting people that you know are compromised, meeting people that you know have brain damage, like, yeah.

02:22:32.000 You're starting to see it, man.

02:22:34.000 Like, I think people who have been fighters their whole life, you know, starting to see a lot of that, like, go to the CTE or whatever the football players were dealing with and like how big of an effect.

02:22:44.000 I mean, head trauma is so, so fucking damaging.

02:22:48.000 Yep.

02:22:49.000 Like, and the way that it could show itself in so many different ways.

02:22:54.000 Like gambling addictions, drug addictions, depression.

02:22:59.000 Even like manias, like hallucinations.

02:23:03.000 You know, I feel like it almost transforms people into like waking nightmares sometimes for some people.

02:23:12.000 Sure.

02:23:12.000 To where it's like that feeling of like, you know, like you see somebody, but there's somebody else.

02:23:19.000 Exactly.

02:23:20.000 Right.

02:23:20.000 Like there's so many aspects that just end up destroying your normal day-to-day life.

02:23:30.000 Yeah, it fucks up their hormones.

02:23:31.000 It fucks up everything.

02:23:33.000 And, you know, yet it makes for this insanely attractive sport to watch.

02:23:38.000 Yeah, and they love it.

02:23:39.000 You just got to know when to get out.

02:23:39.000 Right.

02:23:41.000 Yeah.

02:23:41.000 You got to know when to get out.

02:23:43.000 And that's what's hard.

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:44.000 And really, the hardest thing is that they don't have anything else.

02:23:48.000 Because in order to be really good at something like fighting, you have to dedicate your entire life to it.

02:23:52.000 It has to be everything about your waking moment.

02:23:55.000 And when it's not and it's just a job, that's when it gets fucking dangerous because those guys get really fucked up a lot of the time.

02:24:01.000 Yeah, when you have to get the next fight to keep the fucking train rolling.

02:24:05.000 Yeah.

02:24:06.000 And then you have a family and you realize you don't have any savings.

02:24:10.000 And so then to quit, what are you going to do?

02:24:12.000 How are you going to generate, you know, if you're fighting and you're making $250,000, $300,000 a year fighting three or four times a year?

02:24:19.000 Like, how are you going to replace that with a regular job?

02:24:23.000 You don't have any skills.

02:24:23.000 Yeah, you're not.

02:24:25.000 Like, all your skills are in how to fuck people up.

02:24:27.000 So what are you going to do?

02:24:28.000 You're going to teach?

02:24:29.000 You could teach, maybe, especially if you're real technical.

02:24:32.000 Yeah, but that's not going to give you the same quality of life.

02:24:36.000 It could eventually.

02:24:37.000 I mean, there's some guys that make a lot of money off of teaching.

02:24:39.000 Sure.

02:24:40.000 That's kind of rare, though.

02:24:41.000 We have to be really good.

02:24:42.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 Yeah, you have to be really good.

02:24:44.000 There's like be franchising.

02:24:46.000 There's a lot of demand.

02:24:48.000 If you're an Eddie Bravo, you can teach seminars and you have a bunch of affiliates in a bunch of schools.

02:24:53.000 But he's in the top 5%.

02:24:56.000 Exactly.

02:24:57.000 For most people, it's a grind.

02:24:57.000 Exactly.

02:24:59.000 I mean, I teach.

02:25:01.000 I was telling Zach, to me, Jiu-Jitsu is like a parasite and it got in me.

02:25:05.000 And now it's trying to find other hosts.

02:25:08.000 Like, I literally am just trying to share.

02:25:11.000 But it's like jiu-jitsu's forcing me to share it, regurgitating it into some other host so that it can regurgitate itself and somebody else.

02:25:19.000 But it's a beneficial parasite.

02:25:21.000 Don't you think that teaching helps your jiu-jitsu, though?

02:25:23.000 A million percent.

02:25:25.000 Like, I show all of my students all of my tricks so that when I try to use my tricks on them, it stops working.

02:25:31.000 Yeah.

02:25:32.000 And then I have to evolve the tricks or like create other little smoke screens and diversions to get to the spot that I need to get because they know.

02:25:40.000 And I like to, I'll show stuff that I don't normally do, but a majority of my curriculum is stuff that I do, that I know works, that I know all the ins and outs of.

02:25:52.000 I know every little detail of how you get to the spot, like what you do, what you do if they do A, B, or C. And that's what I share.

02:26:00.000 And as I do that, like I notice little techniques not working anymore.

02:26:07.000 Well, don't you think it's also as you explain the techniques to people, it tightens up your own understanding of the techniques and makes you better at it?

02:26:13.000 A thousand percent.

02:26:15.000 Because you have to think of it.

02:26:16.000 And like a lot of times our movements are muscle memory.

02:26:20.000 Right.

02:26:20.000 We don't really consciously think too much about it because we've done it a thousand times where it's like, I do this, then I do this, then I do that.

02:26:28.000 Right.

02:26:28.000 And you don't think about it.

02:26:29.000 But when you have to show somebody, you have to think about all those things that you never think about, help explain it to somebody who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about.

02:26:39.000 Yeah.

02:26:40.000 And get them to grasp it.

02:26:42.000 I've seen that time and time again in jiu-jitsu where a guy's pretty good and he starts teaching, like coaching like beginners one-on-one private lessons and stuff to make some extra money.

02:26:51.000 And next thing you know, he's a killer.

02:26:52.000 It's like, wow, that's, it's, I think that's a missing part of the key to development is teaching.

02:26:59.000 I think I'm honestly surprised when others don't want to do the same.

02:27:04.000 Like I never, like, I never gatekeep techniques.

02:27:07.000 Like, I, if I see something that I think will work, like, I honestly think I'm a much better coach than I am a jujitsu practitioner.

02:27:17.000 Like, I'm horrible at competing.

02:27:19.000 Like, just sometimes I just be like, okay, I'm just going to stay here until I kind of have a room to get out and I don't have to try too fucking hard.

02:27:28.000 But I can see the game much better in my students.

02:27:33.000 Right.

02:27:33.000 Like, my gym, Steel MMA, is a little bit of like a ragtag sort of like bad news bears kind of gym.

02:27:40.000 Because there's so many high-level competitive gyms in San Diego.

02:27:43.000 Yeah.

02:27:44.000 But we go to all the local tournaments and we get on the fucking on the podium.

02:27:49.000 Yeah, we go.

02:27:49.000 That's cool.

02:27:50.000 That's very cool.

02:27:51.000 And we're not.

02:27:51.000 San Diego is a tough place for jiu-jitsu, dog.

02:27:54.000 You got fucking Jocko's place down there.

02:27:54.000 Shit, yeah.

02:27:57.000 Barrett Yoshida's down there.

02:27:59.000 How many people?

02:28:00.000 Was Hoyer had a school down there?

02:28:02.000 Heuler's still in San Diego?

02:28:03.000 Still in San Diego?

02:28:04.000 He actually gave the guy who was the purple belt who threw me on my head that I was talking about earlier.

02:28:09.000 He got his black belt from Hoyer.

02:28:12.000 Atos is there.

02:28:13.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

02:28:14.000 That's right.

02:28:16.000 What a hotbed of jiu-jitsu.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, it's like little fucking Brazil.

02:28:19.000 Isn't that funny?

02:28:19.000 Like, California, especially like during the UFC's growing period, became one of the biggest hotbeds of jiu-jitsu in the world.

02:28:27.000 Yeah, they all went there.

02:28:28.000 They all went there because they could surf.

02:28:30.000 Yeah, you could surf.

02:28:31.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 Like, probably like climate-wise, fairly similar.

02:28:35.000 Fairly similar.

02:28:36.000 And then a ton of population to draw from to get students.

02:28:39.000 Yeah.

02:28:40.000 Especially in that LA area where it's like people were already kind of like into Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris and shit.

02:28:46.000 Right.

02:28:47.000 And then you see Hoyce just fucking freak everybody out.

02:28:52.000 I mean, I watched all those early fights as a kid.

02:28:55.000 I had a friend's dad who like would always fucking get the pay-per-view.

02:28:59.000 That's another thing about Austin.

02:29:01.000 We have so many jiu-jitsu gyms here now.

02:29:03.000 You know, Gordon has his place now.

02:29:05.000 B-Team has their place.

02:29:07.000 You've got Gracie Baja's here.

02:29:09.000 You've got Shanji Ribeiro's here.

02:29:12.000 Everybody's here.

02:29:12.000 There's like so many different gyms here.

02:29:15.000 There's multiple 10th planets here.

02:29:19.000 Gabe just opened up a 10th planet in Bass Drop.

02:29:22.000 There's a 10th planet right down in this area.

02:29:26.000 There's a 10th planet.

02:29:28.000 There's like three or four 10th planets.

02:29:30.000 Yeah.

02:29:31.000 I think there's at least three.

02:29:33.000 And they're all packed, right?

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 Packed.

02:29:36.000 It's like there's so many people that are interested in it because, you know, it really does work.

02:29:41.000 It really helps you.

02:29:42.000 It not just works like as a martial art to learn how to defend yourself.

02:29:46.000 It's a vehicle for understanding yourself better.

02:29:49.000 It helps you in everything you do.

02:29:51.000 As long as you just do it smart and don't get hurt.

02:29:53.000 Exactly.

02:29:53.000 That's like me trying to get up when I fucking my neck was pinched.

02:29:56.000 Like that was jiu-jitsu.

02:29:58.000 Yeah.

02:29:58.000 Like I use it in so many aspects of my life.

02:30:00.000 Like it's such a beautiful, weird little sport.

02:30:04.000 Yes, sir.

02:30:05.000 Lifestyle.

02:30:06.000 Mike Maxwell.

02:30:07.000 I'm glad you came in.

02:30:08.000 It's fun to have you on, my brother.

02:30:08.000 Joe Rogan, thank you so much.

02:30:10.000 Tell everybody where they can find you online.

02:30:12.000 MikeMaxwellArt.com and all the social medias are at MikeMaxwellArt.

02:30:18.000 My gallery in Santa Monica is BG Gallery.

02:30:21.000 And I got a gallery out in New Orleans, Mortal Machine.

02:30:24.000 You can find my stuff out there.

02:30:26.000 And is it all on Mike Maxwell Art?

02:30:27.000 You can find all that stuff.

02:30:28.000 Yeah, you can find all that stuff.

02:30:29.000 Okay, beautiful.

02:30:30.000 All right, brother.

02:30:30.000 Thank you.

02:30:31.000 I appreciate you.

02:30:31.000 Thank you.

02:30:32.000 My man.

02:30:32.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 01, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2359 - Mike Maxwell

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