In this episode of Train My Day, I'm joined by my good friend Joe Rogan to talk about his recent fall off a scooter and the scar he got on his head from it. We also talk about how to deal with a broken nose.
00:00:28.000I was riding around Scottsdale feeling great and free because I'd never ridden a scooter before because I always thought that we called them scooter nonces in the UK.
00:00:39.000And because there was no one around to see me, I just thought, oh, this is great.
00:04:45.000That's like the old dye pits I read in Toronto in the job that you didn't want was to work in the dye pits.
00:04:53.000Because guys, what they'd have to do is they'd have to get into these like human-sized pits filled with dye and wrestle the dye into material.
00:06:17.000Yeah, man, there's jobs out there that fucking suck.
00:06:20.000I was watching this video today where this young lady was complaining about her job and that it just consumes her entire life and she doesn't want to do it anymore.
00:06:27.000And then people were complaining in the comments that she's lazy.
00:06:34.000It's a little kind of crazy that everybody wants to declare to the whole world what their personal issues are about their op.
00:06:40.000I mean, social media has made it very weird that all these people just get attention for something that you essentially used to just talk about with friends.
00:07:12.000Graham, you have an well, I found out about you from our talent coordinator at the mothership, who's my good friend Adam Egot, who loves you to death.
00:07:36.000Why don't you tell the story of how it went down so everybody could kind of get it from your words, which I'm sure would be better than me.
00:08:02.000So I would come out and I would make fun of myself.
00:08:05.000I can't do that anymore because my situation is so bizarre that anything I say that's self-deprecating will just get reported as truth and all sorts of things.
00:08:14.000You can't make jokes in my situation, you know?
00:08:46.000I had a sitcom called Father Ted, which was about some Irish priests who were so bad that they'd been banished to a tiny island in the middle of nowhere.
00:08:54.000That was a huge success, probably my biggest success.
00:09:43.000But I'm just saying that the problem with anybody finding out about a new show today, they're like, oh, geez, another one I have to pay attention to?
00:10:33.000But the interesting thing is that I think personally there might be a revolution in those kind of smaller films that just need a few people.
00:11:54.000But that could also be a style, right?
00:11:57.000Like if you think about Robert Rodriguez when he did Sin City, there's a lot of that that didn't look real.
00:12:02.000Like you could get weird with filming just to make the experience, you know, more bizarre because you're in this crazy sci-fi thing.
00:12:10.000You could kind of make it look a little fake and it would be dope.
00:12:13.000I think also when you think of what AI is going to do to voice lines, like if you look at a game like Grand Theft Auto, now you're going to be able to have generative dialogue from the characters, you know?
00:12:25.000Well, you're also going to have porn where you have any woman that you want that you desire in your life.
00:12:32.000Like you could take photos of someone that you know and turn them into someone who's like so attracted to you and just can't wait to have sex with you.
00:13:13.000That's what the comparison culture comes from.
00:13:15.000I mean, that's the real comparison culture because they're comparing themselves to the Kardashians and people with massive amounts of plastic surgery and filters.
00:13:22.000But now I saw a guy yesterday who said we're about to enter a 2007 moment.
00:13:27.000In other words, the invention of the iPhone.
00:13:29.000We're about to have another big change.
00:13:31.000And we haven't even spoken about the last one.
00:13:36.000Let me go back and go back at the story.
00:13:38.000But basically, I was like a very successful comedy writer, probably about as successful as a non-on-screen comedy writer can get in the UK.
00:13:46.000I won something like six BAFTAs, I think, in the end, five or six BAFTAs.
00:14:19.000You know, because as soon as you say there are some men that are going to use this, as soon as you say there are some men who we've known forever have been sexual deviants and perverts and psychotic creeps.
00:14:56.000I don't want to restrict you, but as soon as you start allowing men in dresses to get into women's spaces, and you frame it that way, you say this is about women's rights, then it's chaos.
00:15:08.000Then there's no rational conversation when it should be totally rational.
00:15:12.000With those factors, knowing that some men are creeps, knowing that women are more vulnerable, and you're going to allow these potential creeps to have carte blanche and just go into the women's spaces.
00:15:32.000You obviously know more about it than me, but like I think that when they tried to get you for COVID, I actually think that that was sort of left over from you interviewing Megan Murphy and Abigail Schreier.
00:15:44.000I think they really hated that you were giving them a platform.
00:15:47.000Because when you think of it, no one else did.
00:15:51.000If you look back at Megan Murphy and Abigail Schreier's appearances, and Abigail Schreier wrote the most important book about transitioning, the transitioning of young women, irreversible damage.
00:16:01.000And she's had a terrible time as well.
00:16:07.000But this is the thing about a real issue.
00:16:09.000When real issues come up, when there's a real ideological debate going on, like, hey, what is actually really going on?
00:16:19.000That's when things get the most hostile.
00:16:22.000Because when you can't really defend your position logically, then you start using pejoratives and turning everyone into Nazis and everyone into fascists.
00:16:32.000And you start really fucking the argument up in a way that, like, if you're a normal person and I'm talking to you, well, I'm going to choose to not talk to you anymore because you're not rational.
00:16:41.000He goes crazy and calls me a Nazi every time we disagree with something that is logically something that you should be debating, whether or not children have the ability to make these decisions at an early age and whether or not there's some kind of social contagion going on.
00:17:17.000You know, when most people hear the word trans people, they think transsexuals.
00:17:23.000But the number, according to, I think, a 2016 study, the number of men who identify as trans and aren't having any surgery at all is something like 90%, right?
00:17:35.000So you have a whole whole group of people out there who are transvestites, okay?
00:17:41.000To give them the actual word that refers to their condition areas.
00:18:16.000It's like, and I genuinely don't think it would have existed without the internet.
00:18:20.000You know, the internet superpowered it and they gave rise to things like, you see it online, the same repeated phrases over and over again.
00:19:02.000The urinary leash was what was called when the suffragettes, before the suffragettes won the right to vote and single-sex spaces and so on, the women of a household were not able to go too far from their house because there were no public toilets.
00:19:19.000And all the public toilets, there were public toilets, but they were mixed.
00:19:22.000So men would be in them and they couldn't go into the toilets with the men.
00:19:53.000And the fucked up part is that you, the paying customer, have to pay even more and subscribe to another streaming service to watch these titles.
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00:21:02.000And now we have some, we have members of this so-called civil rights group who are basically just trying to bring back the urinary leash, you know?
00:21:13.000So it's not safe for women to go into a space because they genuinely don't know if they'll share the space with a man.
00:21:19.000So, you know, it's anyway, one of the problems with this fight is there's so many aspects to it that it's really, I've been fighting it for eight years.
00:21:30.000Did you, so were you stunned by the reality?
00:21:34.000Let's bring it back to the original thing that you did, your original offense to the cult, where they came for you.
00:21:41.000My original offense was, I think, sharing a piece by a feminist named Heather Brunskill Evans that said exactly what you said just at the beginning, you know, a few minutes ago, where you said, yeah, people have things going on in their head.
00:22:36.000And the next thing that happened was that a sex offender, we found this out later, but a sex offender and kind of serial litigant in the UK, he reported me to the police, sued me on the same weekend.
00:22:52.000And the police came to my home, or no, they phoned me that time.
00:23:01.000And since then, I've been basically, the police just visit every so often on the orders of these, and this guy was sexy, he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old boy, you know.
00:23:11.000And basically, the police in the UK are working for these men, you know?
00:23:16.000So he can complain anytime he wants and they just visit you.
00:29:34.000It's hard to step outside of the narrative.
00:29:37.000And when there's a very forceful narrative that's being pushed, like, you know, what Elon likes to call the woke mind virus, like whatever that thing is that has like these very clear rules that you must follow.
00:31:45.000It's partly a problem with the internet, I think.
00:31:48.000I think it's, first of all, the internet spread it.
00:31:50.000One of the things that happened was there was a real supercharged moment for trans ideology when Tumblr banned porn because all the trans-identified kids who were all over Tumblr and porn was a big thing on Tumblr.
00:32:56.000It's a religion that's terrifying because the consequences of not obeying are you get ostracized and you get attacked and you get deplatformed and de-banked and do this and de that and labeled a bigot.
00:33:08.000I had a West End musical ready to go based on Father Ted.
00:33:14.000It was like, you know, you can't really ever guarantee a hit in terms of musicals, but it was the closest thing to a guaranteed hit you could get.
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00:35:45.000They found out that when people were talking about trans women in women's sports, a lot of people, I think the majority of people, I'm not sure what the percentages were, but the majority of people thought they were talking about trans-identified females in women's sports.
00:36:15.000And so this language, which is constantly being used.
00:36:18.000If you see a press report about a, you know, this happens all the time.
00:36:24.000You see a press report that says something like, I saw a great one that said something like, woman takes cocaine and then kills Alsatian or something like this.
00:36:33.000And it's only that we know, it's only that me and the feminists who are fighting this know that it's a man that tell me it's a man.
00:36:40.000Every other person reading that newspaper thinks they're talking about a woman.
00:36:55.000It's the press are, I mean, really when you say, why isn't it possible to be talked about?
00:37:01.000It's because the press are helping confuse people.
00:37:04.000You know, the press are actually aiding.
00:37:06.000Like if you get a pedophile and you report him to be a man, oh, sorry, a woman when he's actually a man, then it's even harder to step back and go, we shouldn't have done that because you've actually already committed a terrible sin against journalism.
00:37:23.000You know, you're not telling the truth.
00:37:35.000But some of them don't even have any, for the first, in the first place, a lot of, like, one of the things that happened when I started talking about this is I started noticing, like, there was a magazine in England called Total Film, and that was calling me a bigot.
00:37:49.000And all these different, and my old magazines that I worked for were calling me a bigot.
00:37:53.000And then you see photographs of the guys, and it's always, you know, they've always got black fingernail polish, and they think they're a new kind of human.
00:37:59.000You know, it's like you're not a new type of human being if you're worried.
00:38:03.000The first thing about the internet has allowed them to all group up.
00:38:06.000Whereas before the internet, it's a very small percentage of people that have autogynophilia or that, you know, fall into those categories.
00:38:14.000And we've always kicked those people out of women's rooms.
00:38:17.000And this is one of the really important things when you're talking about like trans bigotry.
00:38:33.000That's one of the earliest kind of smears against the feminists fighting this, who are all in the UK, by the way, left-wing women, classic left-wing environmental, environmentalists.
00:38:54.000And they've been, and you know, but they've been smeared as right-wing bigots, you know, even though they spent all their life fighting things like section 20.
00:39:30.000And being kicked off of Twitter allowed people to further lie about me online until my reputation was completely destroyed.
00:39:39.000So I went in for a meeting with the people who produced the Father Ted musical, who also produced Father Ted back in the day.
00:39:46.000And I walked in and everybody, I saw someone I worked with for years, a runner who had grown up with me as I worked with them on different productions, just looking at me like Elliot Gould.
00:40:22.000And at one point I said to them, well, as long as I can come in and watch the occasional rehearsal just to see if it's going well, you know.
00:40:30.000And they said, no, we want a clean break.
00:41:00.000How did it get so kooky where people are willing to put women in these vulnerable positions because they don't want to offend this entirely tiny, very, very vocal part of the world?
00:41:13.000Because as you say, because these tiny, very vocal, very, and you know, there's a, I want to make this clear.
00:41:19.000There are a lot of trans-identified people who are completely sane.
00:42:38.000That's a guy in a dress with a heart on.
00:42:40.000Like, there's autogynophilia is a real thing.
00:42:42.000Men get turned on by dressing up like women.
00:42:45.000Also, there's certain perverts that don't want to wear a dress, but they know if they do wear a dress, now they can get into the women's room.
00:43:40.000Trans men, out of the whole trans deal, get the worst deal out of it.
00:43:45.000Trans women, all a man has to do is wear a dress and he is suddenly a trans woman, right?
00:43:51.000But trans-identified women, they get double mastectomies, hysterectomies in their 20s and 30s, you know.
00:44:00.000Every single young woman on testosterone will go into early menopause.
00:44:04.000Early menopause brings with it a risk of dementia, incontinence, itching, and all sorts of fucking problems you don't want to put up with when you're these young women think they're going to be young men and they're actually turning into old women.
00:44:22.000I know it makes a lot of them infertile for life.
00:44:25.000You know, it's one of the things that happens is when you take testosterone, your ovaries confuse to, I'm not sure, some other part of your internal organs.
00:44:38.000And that means, and that's why you see so many trans men having to have hysterectomies, you know?
00:44:44.000If a woman has her breasts removed and then goes on to have a child later on in life, if they're lucky enough not to have been sterilized by the drugs, if they have a child later on in life, when the child cries, the tissue in their breasts will achieve because there's always tissue left behind after those operations.
00:45:03.000And it will ache because it wants to feed the baby, but they can't.
00:46:10.000And the study said that even if there's a risk of deformity to a baby, a trans-identified woman should continue taking testosterone because there was too much of an emphasis on babies born with normative bodies.
00:47:56.000It came and went without causing barely a ripple.
00:48:00.000She found out that WPATH, which briefly tried to make eunuch a gender identity, right?
00:48:07.000She found out that they were linking to a website called the Eunuch Archives.
00:48:12.000And the Eunuch Archives is mainly a repository of about, I don't know, I have it written down, but it's something like 8,000 short stories, something like that.
00:48:22.000And they're just pornography about people cutting their dicks off.
00:49:36.000He hides from them while ordinary people still have to fight in court.
00:49:40.000People like me and various women who are fighting this nonsense.
00:49:43.000He's an absolute coward on this issue.
00:49:45.000But the thing about the WPATH files is WPATH, this place that's sharing pedophilic castration pornography, is the world leader on trans healthcare.
00:49:59.000They're the ones that are bowed to on everything in this.
00:50:02.000And they're the reason why doctors all over the world are giving these protocols to kids because there's a thing called the chain of trust that Mia Hughes writes about, which is an ear, nose, and throat specialist has to believe that other doctors know what they're doing.
00:50:20.000And they have to believe that the head of any particular discipline knows what they're saying.
00:50:27.000And what's happening with WPATH is they're issuing all this stuff.
00:51:12.000Is it their goal to just transition anybody?
00:51:16.000It's purely a kind of ideological insanity.
00:51:19.000Like one of the people who is involved in this, her name always jumps out of my head.
00:51:26.000I can't remember her name, but she suggested that a baby who fiddles with the buttons on their baby grow is trans because they're indicating they don't like this baby grow.
00:51:36.000They want to wear a male or whatever, you know.
00:52:19.000And they were just goths, you know, the stuff like that.
00:52:22.000And it didn't break out of Middle America because the internet wasn't there.
00:52:26.000But I have to think now, if you had, if the satanic scandal broke out again, you would certainly know about it because it would be all over the world.
00:52:43.000She, as I say, she did this thing about babies popping their mini, they're popping the buttons on their thing, you know, which is, Yeah, this is a crazy person.
00:52:55.000So, a crazy person who was a part of the satanic panic is now telling you that a baby fiddling with its buttons is probably trans.
00:53:03.000Yeah, and people are listening, and people are listening, and wow, and you have it.
00:53:09.000I mean, one of the things when you said, why has this happened?
00:53:12.000Like, another thing that's happened is you've got to understand there's millions of things going on at the same time.
00:53:18.000A lot of very bad men have been empowered, okay?
00:53:20.000A lot of very bad men know they can walk into a female-only space, and at least they may even get a fucking payout if someone complains, right?
00:53:31.000But then there's a lot of really lovely kids who are grown up and have been told, like boys who've been told that boys are evil, and they feel guilty because they think of women in a sexual way.
00:53:44.000And, you know, there's stories of boys being castrated because of that.
00:53:50.000They do not want to associate themselves with what they see as male toxicity, you know?
00:54:08.000If you create a, if you create a completely senseless system that has no rules, that anyone can be a woman if they put on a dress and it's just complete free-for-all.
00:55:06.000There's nothing else like that in the world.
00:55:09.000Imagine if that was instead of TERFs, which is just really a woman saying a man with a penis shouldn't be allowed to be in the women's room.
00:58:11.000But that's just, you know, that's just, you know, someone who's doing that for a competition.
00:58:15.000That's, you know, and not pretending to be a man.
00:58:17.000But my point is, like, if that person did identify as a man and decided to start using the women's room because, you know, of their biological sex, that would freak some women out.
01:00:43.000It's really, it's really, I mean, you know, these kids, one of the things that gets me about this is that these kids are the kids that I was.
01:00:50.000You know, they're just strange, not well-adjusted, spend a lot of time reading, maybe, sensitive.
01:00:57.000A lot of girls who are caught up in this are the most emphatic, imaginative girls, you know?
01:01:04.000And it appeals to them for some reason.
01:01:06.000It appeals to them, maybe because it feels so they see men as just gliding through life in a way that they can't.
01:01:15.000And also, they see pornography from when they're kids.
01:01:18.000And the women in pornography are treated appallingly.
01:01:21.000And so they are saying, nope, I don't want any of that.
01:01:26.000But what they're really doing is they're stepping into a world where they have a four times higher chance of having a heart attack if they're taking testosterone than any than normal women.
01:01:51.000And they wind and they wind up doing these group clusters of six or seven girls, which statistically speaking is highly, highly unlikely to be natural.
01:02:05.000And it leans towards the idea of a social contagion, and no one wants to believe it.
01:02:08.000She also talks about how when you do take testosterone, when you're young, it elevates your sense of confidence.
01:02:49.000Instead, there's this constant, like, oh, yeah, but you know, we have, like, a funny thing happened when the Supreme Court recently, I mean, this took For Women Scotland, a group in Scotland, years to get through to court.
01:03:00.000But finally, the Supreme Court said, no, sex means biological sex.
01:03:04.000You know, it doesn't, you know, Scotland.
01:03:06.000In law, yeah, in law, sex means biological sex.
01:03:10.000And all these places have come back saying it's the most, you know, we don't know how we're going to implement this.
01:03:27.000You know, they are absolutely hypnotized by this.
01:03:31.000And they're fully convinced that it is just like gay rights and that they have to be careful because, I mean, one of the things that's happened, for instance, with the police in the UK is that a few years ago, there was a young kid murdered by some racists, a black kid murdered by some racists.
01:03:47.000And I think, I think it was called the McPherson report came out that described the police as institutionally racist.
01:03:53.000And they probably were in that way that all cops were racist at one point, you know, or at least, you know, very much not right on.
01:04:54.000So I think British police are using trans activists to scare women out of fighting for their rights because they know that if women gather to meet trans activists will definitely be there to hurt them or harass them.
01:05:10.000You don't think that it's just they're scared of the trans activists?
01:05:14.000No, because they've been advised for years by Stonewall, which was the big gay rights organization in the UK, that these women are bigots and that these women are actually far right.
01:05:25.000And, you know, and the police believe this stuff because they've had it as training for years.
01:05:29.000So their training is that these women that are fighting for women's rights, these women are bigots, and you should let the Antifa people have Adam.
01:05:36.000Oh, they wouldn't say that officially, but I believe that's what's happening.
01:05:39.000I believe they're basically using Antifa to control these women.
01:05:43.000You know, the flip side of this is ugly.
01:05:47.000When people rise up against something like this, it gets real ugly and real violent.
01:05:53.000Oh, one of the things we're trying to head off is the backlash against transsexuals and gay people who had nothing to do with this, you know?
01:06:15.000And for some reason, people have just been held in this kind of, you know, tractor beam where they're just kind of like going along with it and they're not questioning it.
01:06:25.000I guess they're worried that what happened to people like me will happen to them.
01:06:30.000But there's increasingly less of an excuse now.
01:06:33.000I mean, John Oliver and Jon Stewart both said on their programs that puberty blockers were reversible.
01:07:44.000Like, what a crazy contribution than a footnote in history that we're currently wrestling with.
01:07:50.000Like, we're grappling right now with the idea that these things are already sentient.
01:07:53.000The thing is, we're grappling with things that we shouldn't be grappling with when we're actually on the cusp of what seems to me with AI to be a huge moment in human evolution, right?
01:08:04.000We're about to move into like it's, I always think of it like the thing in Alien that's the Gourney Weaver with the JCBS.
01:08:29.000You know, I mean, you think about the amount of people that are having children now, especially in developed parts of the world, it drops off.
01:10:32.000And we have to deal with the reality of life if we are going to take this major evolutionary step as human beings with AI.
01:10:40.000Because if we continue ignoring the insanity that the internet has brought about with this movement, we're just going to waltz right into the next one.
01:10:51.000If we don't take time to say, okay, what just happened?
01:10:55.000How can we make sure it doesn't happen again?
01:10:57.000Because it seems to me now that with the trans thing, the human race with the internet is hugely vulnerable to these kinds of what you might call them sense-destroying viruses, whatever you might call them.
01:11:10.000I don't know, there should be a word for what the trans movement is, but I think we're so vulnerable to it that we have to start developing antibodies, you know?
01:11:20.000I agree with you because I do think that something else could come from a different direction, right?
01:11:25.000So here's what we saw in our lifetime: this same kind of thinking, the same kind of bizarre, violent group thinking.
01:11:33.000We saw people that turned on their neighbors that were skeptical about the vaccine or people that didn't want to take it.
01:11:38.000They were called murderers and plague rats and this craziness where people were ostracized from social circles because they weren't vaccinated.
01:11:48.000And even though, in hindsight, they were directionally correct, right?
01:11:54.000No one, there's been no course correction, but there was this othering of people for a very simple thing.
01:12:01.000Like you decide, like if that fucking thing works and you take it, why are you mad at me if I don't take it?
01:12:07.000If it works, that means you're not going to get COVID no matter what fucking happens to me, right?
01:12:12.000So it was weird and illogical, just like the trans thing, but violent.
01:12:17.000And people were terrified because your life was in danger.
01:12:21.000So you saw the most vile reactions from older populations who were calling for people to be quarantined, round up in camps, take away their livelihood, take away their children.
01:12:32.000You were hearing it from these old, terrified people with fragile health.
01:12:38.000And they all got really violent about it online.
01:12:41.000They got really, really extreme in their positions on this.
01:12:59.000It was all nonsense and propaganda, including Rolling Stone and CNN.
01:13:04.000Rolling Stone had a whole article that was 100% bullshit about people who were waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds because there were so many people that were getting treated for horse dewormer because they took too much ivermectin.
01:14:16.000I mean, when the Bible, when the printing press appeared, there was 100 years of chaos as all these sects and everyone who had a crazy idea about the Bible that they'd had themselves.
01:14:28.000Oh, on the seventh page, it says this on line seven.
01:14:31.000And that would become a religion, right?
01:14:33.000And then for a hundred years, these religions were fighting it out.
01:14:36.000There were pogroms and massacres and Protestantism was formed because of it.
01:15:19.000Whatever you think of the Gaza situation at the moment, I noticed that it's the same thing, genocide, over and over and over again.
01:15:26.000In every tweet, they mention the word genocide, you know.
01:15:30.000And I don't happen to think it is, but like by the end of it, if you were to stand up against that and say something against that, it's a difficult thing because you suddenly look like you're against genocide, you're for pro-genocide.
01:15:47.000Like, when you're starving people, when you're bombing indiscriminately, when you've destroyed most of the buildings, when you've killed who knows how many tens of thousands of women and children.
01:16:00.000Yeah, I mean, we got into it a little bit.
01:16:03.000I just think that, you know, Hamas is, I agree with Coleman Hughes, I think it was on your show, where he says that, you know, Hamas, they've built like a huge network of tunnels underneath people's houses.
01:16:14.000They put their headquarters in civilian buildings.
01:16:18.000It's a form of guerrilla warfare that I don't think should be allowed to continue.
01:16:22.000And I support Israel in defeating Hamas.
01:16:26.000Is there another way to do it other than to blow up everybody?
01:16:30.000Is there a way to do it without starving the innocent people?
01:16:34.000Again, I just don't know how much of this is Hamas, you know, comes from Hamas.
01:17:26.000But as I say, I don't really want to go into it because it's such a, again, it's a very, very heated debate, and I've only got room for one.
01:21:57.000In the film, he said he had one day of being a hero, and then it flipped to the bomb.
01:22:02.000It's so scary when things like that happen to people because, you know, but Clint, he had this one film to me that is like the answer to the spaghetti westerns.
01:22:39.000But those books, those lonesome books, the Lonesome Book series by Larry McMurtry, I watched every Western differently after that because I suddenly realized what these people, how brave these settlers were.
01:24:54.000But he's grandfathered in as a conservative.
01:24:56.000John Voigt is kind of on the outs, but he was, you know.
01:24:59.000But, you know, I remember I even kind of was worried about you in the early days.
01:25:03.000Like, I used to be a bit of a left-wing twat myself.
01:25:09.000You know, I famous, one of the most famous things I did was, do you remember the saluting pug guy who got his, yeah, well, I kind of joined in on all that, and I'm deeply ashamed of it.
01:25:21.000And I actually apologized to him at his, I did a video and apologized at a roast that he did.
01:28:15.000Which is a crazy thing to tell people.
01:28:17.000In the age of information, whether you have more access to reality and truth than ever historically, by far, with human beings, don't do it.
01:28:36.000And you see the kind of mainstream news people in the UK, there's people who have podcasts like Aleister Campbell and Rory Stewart and these ex-newsreaders who are on this program called the News Agents.
01:28:48.000And their job is to deliberately not know things, right?
01:28:52.000It's almost like, I mean, I think you got the same thing over here with CNN and stuff.
01:28:58.000You know, their job is to just express confusion about it.
01:29:04.000And they cannot actually address the issues because if they address the issues, they will start saying things that will get them cancelled.
01:29:11.000And so what you have is a kind of a chewing gum for information in the UK.
01:29:49.000You have to realize what those people are are mouthpieces.
01:29:52.000You're just a mouthpiece for an organization who occasionally, unfortunately for the network, gets to express their true opinions on things.
01:30:00.000And usually you find out they're fucking dumb.
01:30:04.000And the really smart ones wind up leaving and going somewhere else and starting podcasts.
01:30:09.000But some of them it's not their fault.
01:30:10.000Like the thing I was saying earlier about the chain of trust among doctors, the W path breaking the chain of trust to such an extent has affected the whole world.
01:30:21.000So now we can't trust our newsletter to tell us the truth.
01:30:24.000They're telling us a man attacked, a man attacked some people when it was really a woman.
01:30:28.000We can't trust doctors because doctors are telling these incredibly damaging things to kids.
01:31:10.000Encouraged by what they call a glitter family, which is a bunch of gay or trans-identified people who love bomb her and tell her that she needs to get rid of her parents because her parents are bigots.
01:31:22.000So she moves in with this glitter family.
01:31:24.000They can't deal with her because she's autistic.
01:31:27.000So within a couple of months, she's gone from the house.
01:31:48.000She starved to death in the hotel room because the New Zealand government called her trans and forgot about a young, autistic, anorexic 16-year-old girl.
01:31:58.000And at the end of it, she was just about making up with her parents.
01:32:38.000And in every country, there's always one or two activists who do everything they can, like the journalist or the people involved with that story were attacked by, I can't remember his name, but there's an activist over there, a very vicious activist, as there is in Ireland and the UK and a few different places.
01:32:55.000And they're always the parents of trans-identified kids.
01:32:58.000You know, the worst people, the worst activists, the most violent activists, Helen Joyce is a brilliant Irish writer and she pointed this out.
01:33:07.000They have done the worst thing that you can do to your kids.
01:33:10.000They have confused their kids and sometimes they've actually encouraged their kids to take these hormones and to go through these procedures to be castrated, to have a double mastectomy.
01:33:20.000They will never be able to accept what they've done to their kids.
01:33:23.000And I know there was one Irish activist who's been planning on transing his kid for at least 12 years, right?
01:33:30.000Of course, the kid thinks they're a man because they've lived with this homophobic parent, you know, who basically doesn't like seeing gender non-conforming behaviors in their child.
01:33:43.000So they say, oh, he's a woman or she's a man, you know?
01:33:47.000So these are the people who are, you know, that guy in New Zealand, even when the story came out, he still tried to attack the people telling it.
01:33:57.000Still, he put me in some sort of conspiracy of creating a bigger deal about it than it needed to be.
01:34:06.000A young girl who died in a hotel room because they called her trans and just forgot about her.
01:34:11.000Like, how did it take a year and a half for New Zealand media to report on that in a country that small?
01:34:18.000And there's so many stories like this.
01:34:20.000Well, I think the dam is breaking because I think there's been a lot of people that are fed up and they realize that there's irreversible harm being caused to people that are being tricked.
01:34:32.000These stories of the detransitioners and them being attacked online for telling their story, which is true.
01:34:41.000It's a true story about them being confused and being told that they were trans and going through these procedures and deeply regretting it.
01:35:08.000And whenever I write the word detransitioners on my iPhone, which I have cause to do quite a lot, it underlines it in red because it will not recognize the word exists.
01:35:18.000But is it because it doesn't know the word yet?
01:36:51.000I wonder which, is it the actual but my point, actually, sorry, the reason I bring it up is because a lot of tech guys are tech because they're autistic, right?
01:37:03.000And a lot of coders are, you know, you spend all your time writing in the dark and coding stuff.
01:37:12.000So the trans thing has come up a lot as well from kind of manipulation by these tech guys who are a lot of whom identify as trans.
01:37:21.000So we're living in a world now where, like the underline detransitioner, they are controlling what we think is normal and what we think is unusual.
01:37:28.000So to everyone now we write down detransitioner, you doubt yourself because there's a red line underneath it.
01:37:35.000Oh, it mustn't be a real word, or it's D and then a space maybe or whatever.
01:39:14.000But I think reluctantly, because there's people that are in control of the system right now that are extracting enormous amounts of money, with just fill in the blank of all the different special interests that have a hand in how much money gets distributed this way and that way.
01:39:31.000There's so much of that that really fuels the decisions that are being made in this country.
01:39:36.000It's not really the will of the people.
01:39:37.000It's not really trying to make America great.
01:39:42.000But also, if you really wanted to do it, you wouldn't do it this way.
01:39:46.000If that's what your main goal was, if your main goal was to make money and give the illusion that we're fixing all the problems that America has while fixing some of them, well, then that's what you're doing.
01:40:21.000You know, the reason Kamala didn't come on is simply because there's a certain breed of politician who are, I think, dying out, who are the kind of politicians that couldn't survive three hours talking to you, you know?
01:40:34.000And they, I don't think they've long left because things like this are the way that people get their information now.
01:40:39.000So, you know, you get these like, and it's the only reason why people, oh, I've got a good thing to tell you about AOC as well.
01:40:47.000It's the only reason why people like AOC and people like this are able to continue spouting nonsense is because they don't go on shows like this.
01:40:57.000At one point in my, I still haven't told you half the things I was going to tell you, but at one point a streamer did a, I managed to take some money, I managed to stop the charity mermaids from getting funding from the National Lottery in the UK.
01:41:15.000Mermaids used to be a good organization.
01:41:18.000Dysphoria was very rare and they treated it as you should, right?
01:41:23.000With things like affirmation as a final step, not the first step, okay?
01:42:00.000And now, and this kid has been brought up since they were four or five years old because there's a famous TED Talk where this is hilarious.
01:43:26.000You're stopping in the line that the effects are reversible.
01:43:30.000One person at the Tavistock, one doctor at the Tavistock said that she was sure one of the parents who came in was a paedophile and wanted to keep their child in a state of arrested development so they could abuse them longer.
01:43:46.000You know, this is doctors at the Tavistock.
01:43:48.000And again, this stuff is not well known.
01:43:50.000If it was well known, it would be over, you know?
01:43:58.000It's allowed this to go on for 10 years.
01:44:02.000Did you see what Andy No's investigation into Trantifa, this gang of actually, Trantifa is a more general term, but there was an actual gang of trans-identified guys and women.
01:44:16.000And they went to this guy's, this guy was, I think he was an old rancher or something.
01:44:25.000And they blinded him in an attack, you know.
01:44:28.000And then he went out to, he was going to testify at the trial.
01:44:39.000But what we have with this group is because no one has been doing their jobs, including the press and not talking about this properly, an entirely fake terrorist group that thinks it's a civil rights movement has formed out of nothing.
01:44:55.000These are middle-class white guys, right?
01:44:57.000Who normally would be, I don't know, going to gigs and stuff.
01:45:01.000And this kind of violent civil rights group is formed for nothing.
01:45:27.000But it's just you're sticking your neck out and talking about the worst aspects of this whole thing.
01:45:32.000One of the things that used to happen to me was I would talk about very specific people.
01:45:36.000Like, for instance, there was someone who worked in Stonewall who helped create their trans policies named Amy Chaloner.
01:45:46.000And Chaloner, it was discovered that Chaloner was the son of a bloke who had tied up and tortured a little girl in the attic of their home.
01:45:57.000He still continued to work with Stonewall.
01:46:02.000He continued to use his father as an election agent.
01:46:05.000And when he was reprimanded, they said he had absolutely no understanding of what was wrong, of what he had done wrong and so on, you know.
01:46:14.000These are the, this person was central to the trans movement in the UK.
01:46:36.000There's a famous letter he wrote to the Guardian where he said, I have many friends who say they have experiences that ranged from nine to 13.
01:46:44.000That where they had entirely good outcomes with, what are you talking about?
01:47:09.000It's, again, it's just completely ignored.
01:47:11.000Because as I say, the UK is addicted to harming children, not talking about it, and only kind of say, oh, what could have happened years later?
01:47:20.000I just don't understand why there's not a larger population of people that have gotten completely fed up with this.
01:47:35.000I started harassing women, some form of women, and blah, blah, blah.
01:47:40.000And they believe all the, all the stories that have been re-shared and re-shared about me.
01:47:46.000And, you know, and they just don't know.
01:47:48.000Because, no, I've never, in the eight years I've been fighting this, the only time I appeared on, like, mainstream TV to talk about these issues, and I sent this to Jamie, was when they ambushed me.
01:47:59.000And they just berated me for five minutes.
01:48:04.000A journalist named Sarah Smith did the interview, who's now the head of BBC in North America, I should say.
01:48:08.000And how did she berate you, would she say?
01:48:11.000Well, I was saying she just simply didn't believe it.
01:48:14.000The funny thing was, some of her journalists were working on a story about the Tavistock at the time.
01:48:19.000And I was just saying, you know, kids are being hurt.
01:48:22.000Kids are being hurt in these gender clinics, and it should be stopped, you know.
01:48:25.000And she was like, you're seriously saying that doctors are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:48:57.000There's no conversation about what's really going on.
01:48:58.000Well, the journalists have no security, because it's not, let's be honest, to be a talking head on the news, it's not that difficult to do.
01:49:04.000And there's a lot of people out there that are handsome and beautiful, and they would take your role.
01:49:09.000And so, you have a salary where you make X amount a year, and it's pretty nice.
01:49:13.000I mean, you get to be the presenter on television.
01:49:15.000They don't want to rock that fucking boat.
01:49:17.000There's no benefit to rocking that boat.
01:49:20.000It's the people who go the extra mile.
01:49:21.000Like, I was, you know, people who, I can't bring my old friends who worked with me into this fight.
01:49:28.000I can't say, look, you've got to stand up for me, you know.
01:49:30.000But I have begged people to help, you know.
01:50:27.000Oh, and I should say, also, you know, while I was going through COVID and canceled, I did write this book, unpaid, because I was promised there'd be a back end.
01:50:38.000And then the book came out, and all booksellers started hiding the book in bookshops.
01:50:45.000So, if anyone wants to help out, my book is called Tough Crowd and is available on Amazon.
01:52:05.000It's been like being attacked by Batman villains for the last time.
01:52:09.000the last eight years do you know what i mean the most bizarre group of people have been able to sue me and and there's one actor scottish actor who destroyed a gay business who's suing me at the moment i've been in litigation for about eight years for one reason or another because i never because i don't have the money to sue people so people are constantly suing me uh reporting me to the police i've been visited by the police three three or four times.
01:52:39.000You know, that was one of the things that really scared my wife when they sent the police to my house, you know.
01:52:44.000And it was pressures like that that broke us up, you know, along with not having an income.
01:52:49.000So, and now the people who did that to us make fun of me because I'm divorced, you know?
01:52:56.000So it's like it's just a really evil bunch of like, you know, I don't, I guess it's a natural part of the internet in some way to have a hate figure, you know?
01:53:11.000But by God, it should scare everybody how easy it is to become a hate figure when you've not done anything wrong, you know.
01:53:16.000Yeah, and if you don't have a voice, how difficult it is to defend yourself.
01:54:46.000All these taxi drivers, Pakistani taxi drivers, were abusing kids over 30 years, like local girls, local white girls, doing the most appalling things to them.
01:54:58.000And it was just everyone was scared of being a racist.
01:55:05.000And, you know, I always think when we were talking about Oliver and Stewart earlier, like they said that puberty blockers were reversible about two years ago.
01:55:12.000How many kids since then have gone on puberty blockers?
01:55:15.000Partly because of what they said, you know?
01:55:17.000It's like, it's like people have got to realize, you know, Graham Norton saying that about cancer culture, Jon Stewart saying that about puberty blockers.
01:55:25.000Their words have consequences, you know?
01:55:50.000That was one thing I always developed a skill because I'm terrible with names normally, but I learned every crew member's name.
01:55:56.000I've not been in any way controversial until this.
01:56:00.000And then the moment I started saying, hey, hang on a sec.
01:56:02.000And all of my friends, you know, all the friends who betrayed me, the hat-trick and my friends on the TED musical, all they had to say was, of course, women deserve fair sports.
01:56:13.000Of course, women deserve single-sex spaces.
01:56:23.000And that's what's amazing about the power of cults.
01:56:26.000And people do not like to think that they're in a cult.
01:56:30.000But if you have no room for objectivity and logic and you hold things as doctrine that don't make sense, they could be easily argued against.
01:56:40.000And if you get very violent when someone argues against that, you're in a cult.
01:56:45.000But also, there's people who don't get violent, but they're also in a cult, but they don't realize it.
01:56:49.000Because when I was talking about the chain of trust, right?
01:56:53.000If you're a newsreader and you get a piece of copy that says, talks about a newborn baby and uses the word assigned at birth, their sexist, the sex they were assigned at birth, right?
01:57:35.000But it's like, you know, we've become hypnotized by appearances to such an extent that, you know, you get a like every single, there's a very funny thing.
01:57:46.000I mean, appearances of like virtue and avatars.
01:58:04.000The guy who came after me in the UK, his latest female name is the third or fourth name he's had.
01:58:14.000It's just he hit on one that he could report people to the police if they said, hey, hang on a sec, you owe me money from three months' rent.
01:58:21.000He would report them for anti-trans harassment.
02:00:47.000You know, did you know the first vaginoplasty was carried out by a Nazi?
02:00:52.000I got into trouble because I compared because a magazine in the UK misreported something I'd said and said that I was comparing trans activists to Nazis.
02:01:09.000Oh, no, what happened was I think his name was Erwin Gourpart, and he was working in some clinic before the war, and then he went on to join the Luftwaffe, and then he became, he was one of the scientists who tortured people at Belsen.
02:01:24.000That's the first person who did a vaginoplasty.
02:01:45.000It's just, and the thing is, I went down a rabbit hole one night when I was watching people talk about their dilations, how they have to keep something in there to keep the wound from closing up.
02:02:30.000The idea, the first trans clinic, if you look at the first few pages of Google search results, if you put in anything about trans, you'll get three or four pages of absolute nonsense, you know, of stuff that another thing, Fred Sargent, I'm just remembering all the stuff I wanted to say to you.
02:02:47.000Fred Sargent, you've got to try and get him on.
02:03:02.000He went on to, he arranged the first Pride march in New York.
02:03:07.000He was highly instrumental in gay rights in the U.S. and in winning civil rights for gay people in the U.S. He's had to watch as these trans activists just make up lies about any transvestite who happened to be in the area.
02:03:22.000There's one guy, I've forgotten his name, Marshall Marshall something.
02:03:27.000And I'm sure you've heard all these things.
02:03:42.000It's bollocks, you know, like the Marsha person they're talking of was purely peripheral character.
02:03:47.000And the person who really kicked it off, who has been sort of being gradually erased, was a lesbian who's her name, because again, being raised from my memory because I haven't used it so long.
02:04:00.000But it was a lesbian who shouted out to the crowd as she was being forced into a police car, why aren't you guys doing anything?
02:04:23.000He was right at the center of gay civil rights in the U.S. And in this last few years, he has to watch these idiots pick apart and lie about the true history of gay rights.
02:04:34.000Well, the thing is, we're dealing with an oppressive hierarchy.
02:04:39.000And if you're more oppressed than anybody, you take the supreme position.
02:06:19.000But, you know, and what's insane about it is because, you know, people who are sane aren't being interviewed, are being losing their jobs, losing their voices, no one can raise the alarm about this, And the value.
02:07:11.000It is extraordinary, but it just shows you how powerful it is, how powerful tribalism really is and how people will justify the most horrific of things if it fits into this narrative that they have decided is a part of their identity.
02:07:25.000There's a giant percentage of people that their political identity, which includes that, if you're progressive, it includes all this trans stuff.
02:07:33.000Your political identity is more important than your family.
02:08:01.000And she wrote a piece about how trans-identified kids were becoming homeless, but they weren't homeless because their parents had rejected them.
02:08:11.000They were homeless because they'd rejected their parents.
02:08:14.000Their parents had misgendered them one too many times or couldn't really take it seriously or whatever it happens to be.
02:08:21.000These kids leave and they go off and they, you know, they become homeless or whatever it happens to be or they move in with glitter families or whatever it happens to be.
02:08:29.000But they lose contact with their parents.
02:08:30.000And she said, well, this is usually the choice of the trans-identified child.
02:08:35.000That the piece was taken off the next night and all her previous pieces were removed because she wrote that.
02:08:46.000And there's so many people I know in this.
02:08:48.000And it happened in like a wonderful woman named Sasha White, who was in publishing and she lost her publishing career and is now same as me.
02:08:59.000I have a website called the Glinner Update.
02:09:01.000And my website, along with a few others, Redux and a few others, are the only websites cataloging all this insanity for the last eight years.
02:09:14.000So I think that when people tally up the score at the end of it, you will be surprised at how many people have a similar story to mine.
02:09:23.000It's not like I was cancelled, but I had something of a name.
02:09:28.000But I know so many people, police women who've lost their jobs, prison wardens, people in all walks of life, ordinary people who are constantly running afoul of these lunatics because they're not being backed up by the adults in the room.
02:09:43.000It's so bad that in the United States there's men who identify as women with fully functional penises that are locked up in women's prisons.
02:09:51.000It's like, and I saw Joyce Carol Oates today, who's a writer, suspense writer, and she occasionally dips her toe into this subject just to show how little she knows about it.
02:10:03.000And then she doesn't talk about it again for a few months.
02:10:36.000She thinks that there's no issue, that it's not a problem, that trans people are all great because she has one lovely trans friend who's never been rude to her, right?
02:10:45.000But the truth is that there's so many different types of people in the world.
02:10:49.000And again, if you move the line for criminals, do you not think criminals will take that opportunity?
02:10:55.000I read an interesting thing about when cops are looking for someone.
02:11:01.000If they hear, for instance, they're parked at a supermarket, their target is parked at a supermarket, the first thing they do is they drive around all the disabled spaces.
02:11:10.000Because criminals love parking in disabled spaces, apparently, because they think, well, that's just for the ordinary guy.
02:11:25.000So if you suddenly say, well, now our sex is actually internal and it doesn't depend on appearance and so on, you don't think criminals are going to go, hang on a sec, that means I could just waltz into place X and have a look at the women in there and no one will throw me out.
02:11:53.000The famous Wi-Spa incident, which The Guardian misreported three times, calling it a hoax.
02:11:59.000And it was a sex offender named, I can't remember, Darren something, but it was a sex offender who was getting his dick out in front of these women and kids because it was like an open thing for women and kids, you know?
02:12:18.000Maybe it's not, maybe he's not saying he's trans, you know, but they will automatically defend a fucking sex offender over a woman complaining about it.
02:12:31.000It just shows you how much gets thrown out the window and how much rational thinking and how much logic and how much reason and how much objectivity.
02:12:40.000It all gets thrown out the window if it doesn't align with your ideology.
02:13:01.000And people won't realize it until, I would say, maybe 10 years when the first, when the generation of kids who've been taught since they were very, very young, there's one comedian in LA who said that her, who said that his child announced he was the opposite sex at four, right?
02:13:22.000And he's now got a second trans child.
02:14:20.000And the worst thing that happened to it was they gave it a label.
02:14:23.000It's like if they called anorexia something more attractive, you know, if they called it something like, well, I think they do actually on some forums, some pro-pro-anna, I think they call it, where people get online to discuss the way they avoid eating properly and the way they regurgitate food and so on.
02:14:41.000It's what they call a community, right?
02:14:50.000And that's another thing that's kind of gradually getting chipped away at as well with all this stuff.
02:14:54.000Because if a child can decide at 9 or 13 or whatever it happens to be That they're trans and thereby lose their future fertility and so on, then what other decisions can a child make, you know?
02:15:09.000And of course, those children aren't making those decisions.
02:15:12.000The parents are making the decisions for them.
02:15:15.000I mean, the reality of human beings is that we're very malleable to culture, very malleable to the whims of society.
02:15:23.000There's a great reason for that, though.
02:15:24.000Oh, sorry, I don't mean to come across it.
02:15:26.000Well, you know, we're a very imitative species.
02:15:29.000And part of the reason why the human race has survived to the extent that it has and thrived to the extent that it has is because we are imitative.
02:15:36.000So when, for instance, we started moving into the Ecuadorian forest, we started making blowpipes and canoes and stuff like this.
02:15:49.000Now, that's a wonderful part of human survivability and evolution.
02:15:53.000But what happens when the internet gets involved, right?
02:15:57.000And you get that iterative or not iterative, mimetic kind of behavior that human beings are so prone to.
02:16:05.000Of course, it's going to lead to something like the trans movement, you know?
02:16:08.000Because what are you promising with trans?
02:16:11.000If someone decides they're trans, what are you promising?
02:16:13.000You're promising to be love-bombed by all your friends, you know, to be to be praised to the hilt and the press and to, you know, women as well.
02:16:43.000Yeah, you can agree for that for yourself, but you can't agree for that for everyone else, you know?
02:16:48.000So, and apparently, women are on, you know, when we're talking about the mimetic quality that the human race has, there's also a quality, apparently, that women have where they will tend to go along with the majority viewpoint, whatever the majority viewpoint is.
02:17:06.000And the reasons for that are quite understandable.
02:17:09.000You know, you have a part of the human race who is smaller, weaker, you know, they have to be more amenable.
02:17:16.000They have to be more accommodating, you know.
02:17:21.000And that empathy is being weaponized against them, you know?
02:17:27.000Like, if you, I'm a great believer in what they call queer spaces because I think of things like Warhol's Factory and John Waters films, like, you know, his kind of trashy movies, John Waters.
02:17:43.000He made, he's a gay guy who made all these films in Baltimore.
02:17:46.000He made, he made more, what did he make?
02:19:50.000You know, you know just as much as you did 10 years ago, even less, because there really is no such thing.
02:19:59.000It's a non-stable category that's been applied to everyone from fucking criminals who are trying to get an easy time in prison to young girls cutting their breasts off.
02:20:11.000So comedians are still on unsteady ground.
02:20:13.000They don't really know how to talk about it, you know, because you're like everyone else, we're all slightly bamboozled by all the language and so on, you know?
02:20:21.000So I find that even in America, I find that the trans issue doesn't come up a lot, but maybe if some.
02:21:29.000Well, this guy, as I say, this kind of guy who's a sex offender, he has been able to use the legal system to harass his enemies for about eight years, and no one seems to be able to stop him.
02:21:44.000But again, it's because of the empty chair at the top, because Kier Starmer is such a coward and his labor MPs, like one MP, David Lamy, who's now the foreign secretary, he thought men could grow a cervix.
02:22:16.000Like, imagine if that could actually be done, which is probably going to happen within our lifetime, maybe, but surely in the next hundred years, they're going to be able to artificially manipulate a person and actually turn a man into a woman.
02:23:05.000He had to apologize to even more people than me because he was a big trans activist and he had to ring people up and apologize for losing them their jobs and stuff like that.
02:23:18.000So, yeah, anyway, I can't remember how we got onto that.
02:23:21.000Well, it's just the strangeness of our time where this is a controversial thing to talk about, that this can get you in trouble, and there's so many cowards out there that don't recognize that everything you're saying rings true.
02:23:33.000That they won't talk to you, cast you out of their social circle, won't support what you're saying, which is super logical stuff.
02:23:44.000Oh, I have a therapist friend, Stella O'Malley, someone who has been there for me throughout all of this.
02:23:53.000And she nearly lost her license just for talking to me online.
02:24:08.000She's one of the people who are actually fighting the real fight.
02:24:11.000She's part of a group called Genspect.
02:24:13.000And they, you know, they recognize it as a mental illness and they try and treat it as gently and without harming the child as they can, you know?
02:24:24.000And she's another person who's been vilified and lost opportunities, I'm sure.
02:24:29.000But, you know, if you're a parent and you're going through this stuff, Genspect is the place to contact, you know, because they will show you how to deal with it properly.
02:24:39.000I think for people in America to hear this is important because this is why the First Amendment is so critical here.
02:24:46.000Your ability to express yourself is so critical.
02:24:48.000And this is why social media can really help.
02:24:50.000Because you can't just let people get destroyed for something they're saying that makes total sense.
02:27:33.000I've never argued with AI before, but I was actually having a full-blown argument with it because it simply would not give me back the information I needed in a non-ideological way.
02:27:59.000And it's because AI uses the information that's on the internet.
02:28:03.000And the information that's on the internet is information that this guy and a lot of trans-identified fellow travelers who work in computers have managed to keep in the first few pages of the internet.
02:28:39.000Could it recognize that the sources of these particular articles are very biased and leaning towards this person because these people who wrote it are transactivists and this and that.
02:28:57.000And it's going to be feeding not just off the information that's available on the internet, which is freely available or conveniently available.
02:29:05.000It's going to be feeding off much deeper.
02:29:07.000It's also going to be able to translate all languages instantaneously.
02:29:11.000So it's going to be able to understand the Chinese understanding of technological innovation in terms of their applications of electric vehicles and stuff that they jump far ahead with.
02:31:13.000I mean, we're just guessing as to what its physical form is going to look like or what the results, what kind of effect it's going to have on civilization.
02:31:26.000It might be able to figure out an end to a lot of things.
02:31:30.000Like, what if super intelligence figures out like a real clear equation of how to completely eliminate the idea of impoverished communities forever?
02:31:48.000People going to universities increase radically.
02:31:52.000People that figure out things that they want to do with their life, they're encouraged through a better school system that understands the human mind because it's all run through AI instead of ideologically based by these people that are professors.
02:32:03.000Don't want to teach it one way forever.
02:32:05.000What if it figures out a better way to teach people?
02:32:07.000What if it figures out jobs that human beings are capable of doing?
02:32:38.000And this actress, Jennifer or something.
02:32:40.000But anyway, it was like a raunchy sex comedy, probably the last raunchy sex comedy they made.
02:32:46.000And there's a bit in it where she is talking to the love interest of the film and she's being all sarky and coming up with these snappy put-downs, right?
02:33:47.000And there's going to be a lot of that stuff.
02:33:50.000Live performances are always going to be a thing.
02:33:51.000People are always going to want to see bands live and comedians live.
02:33:56.000You're going to want to still see stuff.
02:33:57.000People are still going to want to see musicals and see plays because there's a magic to live performance.
02:34:03.000But boy, the actual art of making a film, there's going to be an opening where a lot of interesting creative minds, like some of these people that are making the funniest fucking memes, you're like, who made that?
02:34:34.000What about some genius person who's kind of a little out there, can't figure out a way how to politically navigate Hollywood, but they have these ideas for stories in their heads that are fucking wild.
02:34:44.000And they sit down and they bang these things out.
02:34:47.000The only worry I have with it creatively is that sometimes the strictures around a thing are actually good, right?
02:34:55.000Like that's why I personally, I hope you, but personally, I prefer Seinfeld to curb your enthusiasm.
02:35:17.000Whereas once you lose those strictures, you can be a lot freer and sometimes messier and so on.
02:35:22.000Now, with Curb, Larry David did great, but someone who doesn't know the business or someone who doesn't know that, hey, not everyone who says this doesn't work hates your work and wants to destroy it.
02:35:34.000It's actually because that bit doesn't work and you should change it.
02:36:36.000Actually, that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which was news radio, because you, of course, are a veteran of studio sitcoms.
02:36:46.000But the funny thing about when we were starting writing comedy is that we were hugely influenced by these DVDs of Saturday Night Live that would only show tiny clips of the people involved.
02:37:00.000So we had the best of Phil Hartman, the best of this, the best of that.
02:37:03.000And the best of Phil Hartman, we would just see these tiny moments out of much longer sketches because they couldn't afford to pay the star again.
02:37:46.000Well, someone said on the Simpsons team, they said they couldn't write the Lionel Hutz characters and all the other characters he played when he died because they would just hear his voice, and it didn't sound right if it wasn't in his voice.
02:39:47.000Yeah, but if you just take the movie as an extraordinary, I think they're two different things.
02:39:54.000The Stephen King book is great, but the movie is so fucking good, man.
02:39:58.000And Jack Nicholson plays a guy that's kind of barely keeping it together until he gets to the house, which I like that version of the story.
02:40:25.000The thing about Kubrick that always confuses me, though, was, you know, the famous thing about him getting the two secretaries to write out all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
02:41:50.000Margaret Warrington to type it on each one of the 500 odd sheets in the stack.
02:41:55.000What's more, he also had Warrington type up an equivalent number of manuscript pages in four languages: French, German, Italian, Spanish for foreign releases of film.
02:42:05.000For these, he used idiomatic phrases with vaguely similar meanings.
02:42:37.000There's like all these weird symbolism that he'd put in his films and like all the different things in the shining that lead people to believe it's some sort of an expose on the moon landing conspiracy.
02:44:58.000I mean, what they've done, When you look at the course of their career, so much of their stuff was so absurd, but yet dead on, believable, like ridiculous, but still I'm with this.
02:45:13.000And also the strange thing they did in later films where it's almost like they're creating a fake Hollywood where Clark Gable plays chain gang members and Bogart plays a barber.
02:45:26.000They almost created a sort of shadow Hollywood, which I really love.
02:45:32.000You know, the Hoodsucker Proxy, which is basically a Preston Sturges film with all the fast-talking dames and all this sort of stuff, you know, or Frank Capricorn.
02:45:41.000No, not really Frank Capricorn, but Sturgis and Billy Water and people like that.
02:46:40.000There's a weirdness that's going to happen, this uncanny valley of not going to be able, you're not going to be able to tell in writing as well as in visual stuff.
02:46:47.000But I think they're going to pass that real quick.
02:46:50.000I think it's not just going to be that.
02:47:57.000You know, because they used to say, they used to say, you know, oh, there's microbes in my beard that are transmitting things to the government.
02:48:43.000And none of them seem to have any insight into the fact that they didn't actually have to do any of this, that they didn't have to get these procedures, that they could be, and all they do is they catalog the amount of time they have to keep going back into the hospital to get something fixed.
02:49:02.000Because there's no such thing as a successful trans surgery.
02:49:04.000You know, there's people who are happy with it, but that reminds me of something else.
02:49:09.000I wanted to say one thing about Jazz Jennings.
02:49:12.000But anyway, these girls, they just talk about their endless medical problems.
02:49:17.000They don't seem to realize it's because of their trans identity, you know.
02:49:20.000And there's one girl who appeared on, and my God, this really blew me away.
02:49:26.000She, you know, she has the facial hair that comes with being a trans man and stuff.
02:49:30.000And she's talking, it's actually one of the more recent ones.
02:49:35.000But she's saying that one of the things that I didn't realize I'd be getting is bug paranoia because she has all this facial hair growing in different parts of her body that she didn't have before.
02:49:49.000And she's feeling it itch and tickle at different, in a way that she's not used to.
02:49:55.000She's become convinced that there's a bug on her, you know?
02:49:58.000And you know, the way most, you know, a lot of women are scared of bugs.
02:50:29.000And I've heard another, another, there was another trans-identified person who desisted, but they look like a balding middle-aged man, you know, in their 20s, right?
02:53:21.000You know, when you get a chance to see someone like David Tell, who you maybe don't get a chance to see in the clubs, you haven't been able to see him live.
02:54:07.000He did something I've not seen him do since, which is one of the funniest things I've ever seen, which was who's the Johnny B. Good guitarist Chuck?
02:54:33.000And he's been great throughout as well because he's been someone who says the same stuff in a very funny way and expresses like, you know, he was actually.
02:55:04.000Is there a way to live a normal life for you right now?
02:55:08.000I mean, you're on this battlefield, this constant, consistent battlefield.
02:55:13.000I mean, you must, I'm going to ask before if you felt like it consumed you, but I mean, is there a way to transition with you in their terms?
02:55:34.000Something I always wanted to do anyway.
02:55:35.000I've always enjoyed film rewrites and stuff like that.
02:55:39.000So, yeah, so that's gonna, and that's helped me out because it's getting me, my visa is three years, and my aim is to become so useful to the Americans that they won't let me go.
02:55:48.000You know, well, hopefully, this podcast will help.
02:56:50.000Like, if you went over to any of those alternative places like Gab or any of these, they were flooded with racism and xenophobia and homophobia and flooded in a way where I don't necessarily believe it's all organic.
02:57:11.000I think it's a great way to sabotage a platform that might attract, like, if you wanted to have a platform, if you were running a platform and your platform is incredibly left-wing, like fully censoring pertinent data that would help Trump or help the right-wing people.
02:57:30.000If you were running that platform and also, I don't know, a new platform came about and a bunch of people were talking about jumping ship.
02:57:36.000How hard would it be to just sabotage that platform and just start just the most horrible, racist things?
02:57:43.000You say it over and over and over again, flood it, flood it with hate, flood it with terrible messages, flood it with disinformation and bad faith arguments and just outright lies.
02:59:06.000But I think there's a lot of fake arguments that are designed to keep people at each other's throats and distract from the greater issues that we all have to deal with.
02:59:14.000I think that's a real strategy that's being used not just by people in the United States, but by people outside the United States on the United States.
02:59:23.000But the funny thing about it is you almost don't need to sabotage something to that extent because if you were to destroy a country's ability to know right from wrong, truth from lies, all these things, what better way would there be of doing it than the trans movement?
02:59:42.000Where you can't even accept the evidence of your own eyes and say that's a man or that's a woman.
02:59:48.000Like it is a destabilizing, it's destabilizing Western society.
02:59:53.000And I think it will, I think that type of thing could easily be weaponized against us.
02:59:58.000Well, I think there's a certain value in destabilizing a certain amount of society.
03:00:05.000You want to make it so that a revolution is very difficult to obtain.
03:00:09.000Yeah, you know, James Lindsay's theory about, I love, I find that a very compelling theory.
03:00:15.000He said about what happened with Marxism and so on in the last 20, 20, 30 years, is that they gave up trying to persuade working class people to have a revolution because their lives were too good under capitalism, right?
03:00:35.000So what happened, he thinks, was that all these Marxists, all these left-wingers who really believed in the left-wing project or the communist project, whatever you want to call it, socialist project, they all started going into teaching and cultural places because they wanted to change of culture that way.
03:00:58.000And it's been incredibly successful, if that is true, you know?
03:01:16.000There's a lot of people that think that.
03:01:17.000There's a lot of people that have went through that university system and then came out on the other side and tried to be independent thinkers and realize how easy they get attacked.
03:01:24.000And they're just like, there's something going on here.
03:01:27.000I'm worried about my kids are going into university and half me wants to just protect them from it because, you know, like I know so many stories of people who went to university and came back with a trans identity, you know.
03:01:41.000It's just easy to get indoctrinated in any kind of a group.
03:01:44.000You know, it's when you're a young person, you can get sucked in.
03:01:47.000Well, one of the big problems, I think, is that it feels to me, I don't know if it feels like this to you, but the 50s, they call it the invention of the teenager, right?
03:02:22.000What we have instead is a political ideology instead of the old days where it used to be music, culture, where you could take your personality and find your tribe and throw yourself into a culture, right?
03:02:36.000That doesn't seem to exist to the same extent that it did for kids.
03:02:39.000I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem, there doesn't seem to be like who's, I believe recently it was the first time in forever that, or I think the first time since there were charts maybe, that there was no band in the charts, right?
03:03:32.000Like they feel like they're around other misfits and they feel great.
03:03:36.000And a lot, you know, one thing I definitely want to make clear is when I'm talking about trans activists being evil and so on, I'm not talking about all of them.
03:03:43.000You know, there's a lot of good people who are mixed up with this.
03:03:46.000And they see their trans friend and their trans friend is lovely and they want to protect them and think that people like me are hateful and will never accept them as human beings and so on.
03:04:11.000But the problem with it as a movement is they won't call out the bad actors.
03:04:15.000And they have to, if they're going to basically, my friend Artie Morty, who is a gay guy, a Canadian gay guy, he says the only reason that gay rights got accepted is because when Nambla, right, the North American Man Boy Love Association, and PIE in the UK, the Paedophile Information Exchange, similar groups.
03:04:38.000But like, I always thought paedophile information exchange, they possibly shouldn't have called themselves the paedophile information.
03:04:45.000The man-boy love association isn't any better.
03:05:55.000Within the day, they said no and cast us all as bigots again, you know?
03:06:01.000So it's like there's a problem with legacy gay organizations.
03:06:05.000They have to be ridd of all these people who can't answer biological questions.
03:06:10.000They have to be because they're in danger.
03:06:12.000They're endangering the whole cause of gay rights.
03:06:15.000Like however many years, what is it now?
03:06:18.00060, 68, so 30, 55, over maybe 60 years of gay rights, okay?
03:06:24.000And they're in danger of throwing it all away because of their sudden obsession about a bunch of straight people, you know, because most trans-identified men are straight, you know?
03:06:36.000All these trans men, these young girls going on to gay apps, they're straight.
03:06:43.000Well, listen, Graham, I'm sorry all this happened to you, but I'm glad that we could have a place where you could tell your story because your story is very eye-opening.
03:06:54.000And this is not what we'd want from a polite, respectable, and even progressive society, especially from a guy like you.