The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2364 - Brandon Epstein

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:09.000 Bye.

00:00:12.000 That's a great episode of Guides with Hot On.

00:00:14.000 you Fall into the camp, who had their YouTube channel deleted and were talking about like wellness, like doctors talking about COVID stuff.

00:00:25.000 There was a bunch of doctors that had their YouTube accounts deleted.

00:00:28.000 Really?

00:00:28.000 Yeah, it was a weird time.

00:00:30.000 You know, it's a weird time.

00:00:34.000 The world of medicine is interesting because you've got so many positives, right?

00:00:40.000 Like people are healthier.

00:00:42.000 They live longer today than they ever have been before.

00:00:45.000 If you get certain diseases, they have cures for it that didn't exist before.

00:00:49.000 But there's financial incentives involved in prescribing medications that maybe people don't fucking need because they can make more money if more people take these drugs. 0.77

00:00:59.000 And that's the problem. 0.95

00:01:00.000 Like there's, we got to separate the baby from the bathwater and know what to throw out, right?

00:01:06.000 And it's, you can't throw out medicine.

00:01:09.000 Like, that's crazy.

00:01:10.000 It's amazing.

00:01:11.000 Like, what these pharmaceutical drug companies in coordination with all these brilliant scientists have created is the greatest medicine system the human race has ever known. 0.99

00:01:21.000 At least probably as long as maybe the Mayans knew some shit. 0.98

00:01:24.000 Like, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:01:25.000 Like, yeah, maybe some like civilizations that collapsed because the Europeans gave them all fucking smallpox, ironically. 0.96

00:01:32.000 Who knows what the Egyptians knew? 0.90

00:01:34.000 You know, who knows what those people knew about health and about medicine.

00:01:38.000 But what we know today is that there's incredible stuff that comes out of the pharmaceutical drug companies. 0.99

00:01:46.000 But also, they fucking lie to you. 0.88

00:01:49.000 Also, they'll publish fake studies or not fake studies, but they'll publish studies that they've engineered to be successful, even though they're not going to be. 0.98

00:01:58.000 They'll hide data that shows that it causes side effects.

00:02:00.000 They want to make money.

00:02:01.000 And it's not the people that are making the medicine.

00:02:04.000 That's what's crazy. 0.99

00:02:06.000 Like, the people that are making the medicine are fucking geniuses. 0.99

00:02:09.000 It's the money people. 0.99

00:02:10.000 It's always the money people in everything.

00:02:12.000 And that's the same thing with YouTube.

00:02:14.000 And that's the same thing with everything.

00:02:15.000 It's the money people. 0.73

00:02:17.000 And there's when you have a giant corporation, you have like all kinds of stuff going on.

00:02:23.000 But the number one thing that's going on is everybody has to make more money every quarter.

00:02:28.000 And that's where it gets nutty.

00:02:30.000 And we also live in a culture that wants that like fast food experience, right?

00:02:30.000 Yeah, it does.

00:02:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:35.000 Shortcut.

00:02:36.000 And so it's, we're so susceptible to it.

00:02:39.000 Yeah.

00:02:39.000 For everything, for weight loss, to any issue you have.

00:02:39.000 Right.

00:02:43.000 We're experiencing it a little bit in the comedy community because, and this is, by the way, this is like a normal thing that happens to young comedians.

00:02:51.000 They want to be further than they are.

00:02:53.000 Maybe they think they deserve more than they're getting.

00:02:55.000 They think they deserve more shows, better spots on shows.

00:03:01.000 And it does happen.

00:03:02.000 And then there's also, you know, like there's a competitive drive involved in it.

00:03:07.000 So there's a little bit of delusion, a little bit of a competitive drive.

00:03:09.000 It's very similar, I would imagine, to fighters.

00:03:12.000 First of all, we just tell everybody, success code, you're a mind coach.

00:03:16.000 You worked famously with Sean Brady, who I love.

00:03:16.000 Yes, sir.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, he's talked about a little bit. 1.00

00:03:22.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

00:03:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:25.000 He's fun.

00:03:26.000 And he's got like extra muscles on his back. 0.99

00:03:28.000 I don't know what the fuck that guy does, but he looks like a turtle. 0.99

00:03:31.000 His tattoos coming to life. 0.99

00:03:33.000 We were all talking about it the other day.

00:03:34.000 We're like, he looks like a turtle.

00:03:36.000 Like he's got like a shell on his back.

00:03:38.000 It's just jacked muscle.

00:03:40.000 Like, I know what that is. 1.00

00:03:41.000 Like, when I see a guy like that, I'm like, that guy will squeeze your fucking face into jello. 0.99

00:03:45.000 Like, he's so strong. 0.99

00:03:47.000 And what he did to Leon Edwards was like, holy shit, man, that's a world champion. 0.97

00:03:52.000 And to do it that decisively on a world champion, like he's completely turned a corner. 0.95

00:03:59.000 He was always awesome, but he, post the Bilal fight, completely turned a corner.

00:04:04.000 And a lot of that success he attributes to you.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 It's interesting.

00:04:10.000 He talked about this openly, but after the Bilal fight, that's when we started working together.

00:04:14.000 And it was because, I think this happens to a lot of fighters, a lot of high achievers, is he built this identity of being unbeatable, right?

00:04:21.000 So all his belief that was wired around who he was was, I am unbeatable.

00:04:26.000 And so when he lost, everything shattered.

00:04:30.000 And so he was broken.

00:04:31.000 He didn't know how to pick up the pieces after that.

00:04:33.000 It was like, how is this possible?

00:04:34.000 I believe I'm unbeatable, but then I lost.

00:04:37.000 And so we literally had to go into his nervous system. 0.55

00:04:39.000 And it's almost like clearing out, almost like we're doing surgery at an energetic level of clearing out all the bullshit around these new beliefs that are starting to form like in the confusion of like, I am beatable. 0.78

00:04:49.000 When am I going to lose my next fight?

00:04:51.000 And we had to clear all that and bring him back into that state of being of I'm unbeatable again.

00:04:56.000 And how did you learn how to do all this?

00:04:58.000 Like, what's your background?

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:05:00.000 So I was a college football player.

00:05:02.000 And my freshman year in college, I rode the bench and I was looking for solutions.

00:05:07.000 I was a typical meathead.

00:05:08.000 The most important things for me was getting jacked and playing football.

00:05:12.000 Like I was literally at a supplement shop looking for pro hormones.

00:05:15.000 This is me at 18 years old. 1.00

00:05:16.000 It's fucking hypertensive, big necks. 1.00

00:05:19.000 And by the way, they used to sell some shit. 1.00

00:05:22.000 People don't know. 0.99

00:05:23.000 Basically, steroids at local supplement stop. 0.99

00:05:26.000 There was this stuff that I took once, the strongest shit I ever took in my life. 0.99

00:05:29.000 I think it was called MAG10. 0.96

00:05:31.000 Do you remember that?

00:05:32.000 I remember the Mag10, but I was. 0.99

00:05:34.000 It was bananas.

00:05:35.000 It was full-on steroids. 0.99

00:05:36.000 And after I got off, my dick was like, what are we doing? 0.99

00:05:39.000 We don't have any more testosterone left. 0.99

00:05:41.000 That was me.

00:05:42.000 It took him for like eight weeks.

00:05:44.000 I think I gained like 15 pounds.

00:05:44.000 It was crazy.

00:05:46.000 And I couldn't believe you just buy it from a store.

00:05:49.000 I'm like, this can't be that good if you're just buying.

00:05:52.000 And someone told me about it.

00:05:53.000 And I was like, really?

00:05:54.000 And they're like, yeah, you have to try this.

00:05:55.000 There it is.

00:05:56.000 Is that it?

00:05:57.000 I don't know.

00:05:57.000 That's the 2000s.

00:05:58.000 Anabolic dominance.

00:06:01.000 I don't know if that's the stuff, but you definitely can't get that anymore, can you?

00:06:04.000 But they just keep banning.

00:06:06.000 What's in there?

00:06:08.000 But here's the other thing about what's in there: says who.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, right.

00:06:11.000 Who's checking it?

00:06:11.000 Says who.

00:06:12.000 We had a problem with my company with Onit.

00:06:15.000 When we first started, we would send stuff out to third-party labs to get it analyzed, right?

00:06:21.000 And we were finding all sorts of things in it that aren't supposed to be in there. 0.54

00:06:25.000 Like different vitamins, creatine, all kinds of shit that's just not supposed to be in there. 0.85

00:06:29.000 Like, why is this stuff in this? 0.95

00:06:30.000 This doesn't make any sense.

00:06:31.000 And this is what you hear about with tainted supplements with fighters all the time.

00:06:34.000 So what happens is we found out that some of these companies that mix your products for you, say if you have like some B3K2 supplement, you put them all together, they're mixing them in the same bin where they're making steroids.

00:06:47.000 They're mixing them in the same bin where they're making creatine. 0.98

00:06:49.000 Like they don't give a fuck. 0.97

00:06:51.000 Just clearing the residue. 1.00

00:06:52.000 If you're shipping that shit overseas, they're just, they don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:06:56.000 They probably don't even want to be working there. 1.00

00:06:56.000 Okay. 1.00

00:06:59.000 They're probably like held against their will.

00:07:01.000 Like, who knows where this factory is?

00:07:04.000 And so we had to upgrade our factories.

00:07:07.000 We had to figure out where the most ethical sources are and make sure.

00:07:10.000 And then we had a third-party test again and make sure we're on the level.

00:07:13.000 But that's a real problem.

00:07:15.000 So if you're buying something like that, they can tell you whatever's in there. 0.96

00:07:19.000 They'll fucking throw Viagra and D-Ball and who knows what's in there. 0.92

00:07:23.000 Just because it says what it is on the label, that's the wild thing about supplements, right? 0.99

00:07:28.000 There's no FDA process.

00:07:30.000 It's whack-a-mole, right?

00:07:31.000 They figure out that someone reports it and then they get rid of it and then whack-a-mole, the next one pops up.

00:07:36.000 They're like, it's pretty much the same thing, but different branding.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, in some ways it's good, right?

00:07:41.000 Because you can get all these vitamins without having to get a prescription because we all know the efficacy of vitamins.

00:07:46.000 It's legit.

00:07:47.000 But in other ways, it's like, I read something about Amazon, and this is crazy if it's true, is that I think it was like 30% of the supplements on Amazon were forgeries.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, I think I've seen people putting fake labels and stuff and making it look just like it.

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 See, find out what the number is.

00:08:07.000 And by the way, you know, I don't know how they even determine that number, but it's not zero.

00:08:12.000 And so I stopped buying supplements. 0.92

00:08:14.000 I buy fucking everything from Amazon and I stopped buying supplements from them. 0.97

00:08:17.000 I would get like pure encapsulation stuff. 0.99

00:08:19.000 And I was like, I don't know.

00:08:21.000 I don't know if I'm getting it from the company.

00:08:23.000 So I just buy it from the company now.

00:08:25.000 So when you buy it to know it's like pure.

00:08:26.000 It's that good, good.

00:08:27.000 Well, that company, Pure Encapsulations, is really good.

00:08:29.000 I have no affiliations with them, but I use their stuff all the time.

00:08:33.000 I think a lot of people have that question, though.

00:08:34.000 Like for me, it's like you just see 100 brands on Amazon.

00:08:37.000 You're like, well, which one's actually legit? 0.99

00:08:39.000 Because you know some of them are trash.

00:08:40.000 You just got to find a company that has like a great history of a bunch of people that have tested their stuff and that use their stuff. 0.97

00:08:48.000 And Pure seems to be one of those companies.

00:08:50.000 I mean, I'm just using that name because I use it, but there's a ton of like super legit supplement companies where you know if you're going to get 10,000 milligrams of D3, that's exactly what it is.

00:09:03.000 They're just above board. 0.98

00:09:04.000 They know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

00:09:05.000 Like everything else, man. 1.00

00:09:06.000 Like you can get the shittiest car in the world or you can get a fucking Mercedes. 0.99

00:09:11.000 You know, they know what they're doing. 0.99

00:09:12.000 But, you know, people who are listening to podcasts like this, we're just kind of like listening to influencers in a way.

00:09:17.000 It's like, oh, Huberman, well, I trust you?

00:09:18.000 So you have supplements you represent?

00:09:20.000 Well, Huberman is honest.

00:09:20.000 All right.

00:09:23.000 And that's the most important thing.

00:09:24.000 That's what we do now, right?

00:09:25.000 We're looking to these, it could be doctors, but these people who we put our trust in.

00:09:30.000 And it's like, that's kind of like the bar that we're setting for, like, all right, I'm going to trust you.

00:09:34.000 Honesty like that is everything.

00:09:36.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 Right.

00:09:37.000 And including for yourself, like when everything falls apart, like what happened with Sean after the loss to Bilal.

00:09:43.000 Like that, the thing in your head, like, what it is, is what it is, man.

00:09:47.000 You know, like Max Holloway says, it is what it is.

00:09:50.000 He always says that.

00:09:51.000 It's a beautiful way to look at life, really.

00:09:54.000 It sounds simple, but it is what it is.

00:09:56.000 Like, you're not going to change it by freaking out about it.

00:09:59.000 You're not going to, you're not going to.

00:10:00.000 This is what it is.

00:10:01.000 That guy was better than you.

00:10:03.000 So how do you gonna, what are you gonna do?

00:10:05.000 How are you gonna improve?

00:10:06.000 What did you do mentally that was different?

00:10:09.000 Was there decisions that you made during the fight?

00:10:11.000 Was there something going on?

00:10:13.000 And if you can't be honest with yourself, you're not going to improve.

00:10:17.000 But if you can be honest with yourself, it can make you stronger.

00:10:20.000 You know, there's a lot of guys that have gone through losses and came back way more dangerous.

00:10:24.000 And there's other guys that go through losses and maybe they didn't go through a process like yours.

00:10:31.000 Or maybe they had a little, some self-belief issues already.

00:10:34.000 And, you know, and they were kind of manifesting themselves before the podcast.

00:10:38.000 Maybe they were starting, or before the fight, rather, maybe they were starting to get imposter syndrome.

00:10:42.000 You know, like some fighters get imposter syndrome.

00:10:44.000 They start winning and they're like, there's no way I can be the champion.

00:10:47.000 This is crazy.

00:10:48.000 And there's a governor, right?

00:10:49.000 Like a governor card that comes up where it's like, all right, I can be successful up to this level, but anything beyond this is not safe.

00:10:55.000 It's scary.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 It's scary.

00:10:56.000 But it's like that real animalistic primal part of yourself that comes out and goes, I couldn't even constantly tell you why, but like, I can't go there.

00:11:04.000 Like, I can't get to that level of success.

00:11:06.000 If I do, I'm going to tear it all down.

00:11:08.000 And we see people do that.

00:11:09.000 Everything.

00:11:10.000 Well, it's a weird fear for people that are trying to be successful because they're listening to this and they're like, that doesn't make any sense.

00:11:17.000 Like, why would you be?

00:11:18.000 It's because the pressure of maintaining it, especially, I think, if you came from nothing.

00:11:24.000 Because if you came from nothing, that you realize how lucky you are and you realize that, oh my God, look how successful I am.

00:11:30.000 I'm a world champion now or in whatever you do in life.

00:11:34.000 And then you start thinking, what if I fuck this up?

00:11:37.000 What if I can't keep it up?

00:11:38.000 What if I can't keep it up?

00:11:39.000 What if it all goes away?

00:11:41.000 And what am I going to do?

00:11:42.000 What am I going to do?

00:11:43.000 What am I going to do?

00:11:43.000 And you start freaking out.

00:11:45.000 And then if you go on social media, you start reading comments about yourself.

00:11:48.000 So for fighters, that's a real problem.

00:11:51.000 There's a lot of fighters I see arguing with people. 1.00

00:11:53.000 Fuck you, pussy. 1.00

00:11:54.000 I'll smack you. 1.00

00:11:55.000 Don't do that. 0.99

00:11:56.000 You are wasting so much energy.

00:11:59.000 I'd rather you do heroin than do Twitter if you're a fighter. 0.98

00:12:02.000 Like, get off there.

00:12:04.000 But what we want to do is we want to get to them in place where they're matter of fact about what they read, which sounds like almost impossible for a lot of people who are listening right now.

00:12:10.000 Like, what do you mean? 0.98

00:12:11.000 This person's talking shit about me. 0.99

00:12:12.000 But Brady is matter of fact about this now. 1.00

00:12:15.000 Like, truthfully, he's wired in a way that where someone starts to talk some shit about him, he can laugh about it. 0.98

00:12:21.000 He can just matter of factly not be emotional about it. 0.97

00:12:23.000 But it's also because he's on a hot win streak right now and he looks awesome and he's super confident.

00:12:28.000 It's got a lot of momentum on his side.

00:12:30.000 It's a compounding of the belief from the physical experience and then the belief that we've wired into him.

00:12:35.000 Right.

00:12:36.000 So it's both of those together, right?

00:12:37.000 It's like the perfect confluence of those two factors come together.

00:12:41.000 And then the confidence that comes from these wins, especially the last one.

00:12:41.000 Right, right, right.

00:12:47.000 I mean, God, he looks so good.

00:12:49.000 He looks so dominant.

00:12:50.000 And to do that with a guy like Leon, who, you know, we saw those Usman fights.

00:12:55.000 You know, we saw him knock out Usman.

00:12:57.000 He's really good, man.

00:13:00.000 And for Sean to do that was like, wow, that's a big turn of the corner.

00:13:03.000 Not just a little turn, just a giant turn of the corner.

00:13:07.000 But stylistically, that was kind of a fight made for Sean, though, don't you think?

00:13:11.000 Well, it could be until you take into consideration the second Kamaru Usman fight because Usman couldn't take him down.

00:13:18.000 That fight was primarily a stand-up fight because Leon's takedown defense had gotten so good.

00:13:23.000 And I think there was that bump in confidence after the knockout, and he really felt like the champion now.

00:13:28.000 So for Bilal to Just step in and put a stop to all that.

00:13:32.000 And then, you know, to see then him lose the title to Jack Della and then see what Sean just did.

00:13:42.000 And you look at the whole thing. 0.97

00:13:43.000 You're like, what a crazy shark tank of all these killers.

00:13:48.000 Leon Edwards, Bilal Muhammad, Della Madalena. 0.98

00:13:51.000 Now you got Islam Makachev in there. 0.91

00:13:53.000 And it's like, who can keep it together the most is a giant factor.

00:13:58.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 It's a giant factor.

00:14:00.000 I know you don't really follow football, but this is like the SEC in football, right?

00:14:04.000 It's the division that has Alabama, LSU, Texas. 0.96

00:14:07.000 It's like they're all killers.

00:14:09.000 So any given night, anyone could be anyone.

00:14:11.000 And it's just like, who's going to show up and execute the best?

00:14:14.000 And that's what it comes down to.

00:14:15.000 And then you got Michael Venom Page, who's like the biggest puzzle in the entire sport.

00:14:20.000 Like, he's also a 170.

00:14:23.000 That guy, good luck.

00:14:26.000 Good luck training for that guy.

00:14:28.000 Like, just good luck.

00:14:30.000 Good luck.

00:14:31.000 Super tall, welterweight, who moves like nobody, who is a world point fighting champion.

00:14:37.000 Like, that is a totally different thing, that point fighting thing. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Have you ever watched that shit? 1.00

00:14:41.000 No, I haven't. 1.00

00:14:42.000 Okay.

00:14:43.000 Michael Venom Page was at one point in time the best karate point fighters.

00:14:48.000 And the way karate point fighters fight, they stop after one person gets hit.

00:14:53.000 It's kind of like an elite form of tag with lethal weapons. 0.97

00:14:58.000 Like these guys are fucking good at these launches forward and blitzes. 0.96

00:15:03.000 And they're really good at getting out of the way because guys are blitzing at them all the time. 0.97

00:15:07.000 So because of the style of the competition, they developed this very unique skill set of being able to close the distance extremely fast with a lot of distance in between them and land very unpredictable shots.

00:15:21.000 Like he's super creative.

00:15:24.000 And he also knows how to wrestle now.

00:15:26.000 And he also knows jiu-jitsu now.

00:15:27.000 So like now he's a mixed martial arts fighter, but he's got this one skill set that's crazy unique.

00:15:34.000 And I always said that's the thing that's missing in MMA because we see what happens when you get like a really elite boxer.

00:15:40.000 We've seen what happens with a really elite kickboxer, a really elite jiu-jitsu guy or wrestler.

00:15:45.000 We haven't seen a really elite point fighter who learns all those other skills because it's a different thing.

00:15:52.000 It's not like, you know, Pereira fights.

00:15:54.000 He's not moving around a lot, dude.

00:15:55.000 He's coming right at you. 0.95

00:15:56.000 There's not a lot of dancing and it's not a lot of, you know, fucking, there's not a lot of San Hagen moves. 0.96

00:16:03.000 You know, San Hagen is like constantly giving you different looks and overloading your mind. 0.93

00:16:07.000 Pereira's stalking you, right?

00:16:09.000 It's very what MVP is doing is something totally different.

00:16:14.000 Like you can't even touch him.

00:16:16.000 He's hitting guys like guys that have like a lot of experience in the UFC.

00:16:21.000 He's hitting him with shots they don't see coming.

00:16:23.000 They can't hit him. 1.00

00:16:25.000 Kevin Holland was like, where the fuck is he? 0.99

00:16:27.000 I can't even find him. 1.00

00:16:28.000 This is nuts.

00:16:29.000 The guy just launches himself at you, pops, you cracks you, and then he's gone.

00:16:33.000 And you're like, okay.

00:16:34.000 He's moving way faster than anybody you've ever fought before and covers way more distance quicker than anybody you've ever fought before.

00:16:41.000 It's like the difference between someone who is like standing in front of people and knocking sticks and an elite fencer.

00:16:50.000 You know, you ever see those elite fencers?

00:16:52.000 They dive forward.

00:16:53.000 They dive forward and crack you. 0.81

00:16:54.000 This guy can do that with like knockout shots. 0.69

00:16:57.000 That's wild.

00:16:58.000 This is him when he was an elite karate fighter.

00:17:02.000 So this is point fighting.

00:17:03.000 This is what it looks like.

00:17:04.000 It's really weird because the judges make decisions after each contact.

00:17:08.000 But Raymond Daniels here.

00:17:10.000 This is Raymond Daniels, who's also, he was an elite point fighter who then went on and had big success in Glory and also big success in Bellator because of that style.

00:17:20.000 It's like a nutty style.

00:17:22.000 He pulled off one of the greatest, Raymond Daniels pulled off one of the greatest KOs I've ever seen in my life in kickboxing.

00:17:29.000 It was a jumping sidekick that in midair, he turned into a spinning back kick to the face. 0.80

00:17:36.000 I've done it to a bag before.

00:17:38.000 I've never done it to a human being.

00:17:40.000 And for him to do it to a human being in glory.

00:17:42.000 Now see if you find the kickboxing one.

00:17:45.000 It's from Glory.

00:17:46.000 This is the nutty one where he did like a 360 degree punch.

00:17:50.000 Watch how crazy this is.

00:17:52.000 Play that because that's what that was, what you just had.

00:17:55.000 Watch this punch.

00:17:56.000 So he hits him with his spinning back kick to the body.

00:17:59.000 He lets him get up.

00:17:59.000 Now Watch this.

00:18:02.000 What is that?

00:18:03.000 That is bananas.

00:18:05.000 He ballet punched that guy.

00:18:06.000 It's like anime.

00:18:07.000 It's like Dragon Ball Z stuff right there. 1.00

00:18:08.000 If that was in kick, like Mortal Kombat, you'd be like, get out of here, bitch. 1.00

00:18:12.000 That shit would never work. 1.00

00:18:13.000 But I want you to find his kickboxing KO. 0.99

00:18:17.000 I wish I could remember the gentleman he was fighting, but the guy who fought is legit, too.

00:18:22.000 And he hit him with a jump sidekick, spinning back kick to the face in the air. 0.99

00:18:26.000 So it's like that is a different thing.

00:18:29.000 You know, Ankalio's not going to do that.

00:18:32.000 Pereira's not going to do that.

00:18:33.000 Like, those point fighter guys are different.

00:18:36.000 It's a different thing.

00:18:38.000 You're dealing with this whole new skill set.

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00:20:02.000 You're like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:20:05.000 So I know boxing a lot better than I know UFC. 0.99

00:20:07.000 I'm just getting more into UFC recently.

00:20:11.000 Where's this guy in his career right now?

00:20:13.000 He's really high level.

00:20:15.000 In the UFC, he's got to be top 10 in the Welterweight division.

00:20:20.000 But he shuts people down, man.

00:20:22.000 He shuts people down in a wild way that you just don't see much.

00:20:29.000 The only person who figured him out was Ian Gary.

00:20:31.000 Ian Gary out-grappled him.

00:20:33.000 He just got a hold of him and grappled him.

00:20:35.000 But watch this jump sidekick.

00:20:37.000 This is so bananas, dude.

00:20:39.000 Watch this.

00:20:41.000 Boom.

00:20:42.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:20:44.000 Jump sidekick to the body and in mid-air turns into spinning back kick to the face.

00:20:49.000 I mean, not everybody can do that. 0.99

00:20:51.000 But when a guy can do that, if you don't know that he can do that, you can get fucked up. 0.99

00:20:56.000 Like this, Raymond Daniels can do some wild shit, man. 0.99

00:21:00.000 And again, he's pulling it off against elite kickboxers. 0.99

00:21:04.000 Unbelievable.

00:21:04.000 I mean, he had a couple of losses where they figured him out.

00:21:07.000 Like Joe Baltellini, he's the first guy, like really brutalized his legs, brutalized his legs.

00:21:13.000 He just had a high guard move forward and Valtellini's like very classic, like hard-nosed kickboxer, a lot of low-kick, strong punches.

00:21:21.000 He just kept breaking down his legs to the point where he just couldn't walk, and then he headkicked him.

00:21:25.000 It's pretty powerful.

00:21:27.000 So that style can be figured out.

00:21:29.000 You know, MVP lost in he fought Douglas Lima in Bellator and got stopped in that fight because Douglas was a beast at the time and KO'd him.

00:21:39.000 But it's just like, that is a different puzzle, man.

00:21:43.000 Yeah.

00:21:44.000 It's a different puzzle.

00:21:45.000 It's crazy.

00:21:46.000 I just love the fact that there's guys like that now in this sport where you're looking at this sport that's like 30 plus years old now.

00:21:53.000 And there's still guys that are complete innovators that are coming in when the whole thing's changing.

00:21:57.000 You're like, whoa, okay.

00:21:59.000 All right.

00:22:00.000 Now we're doing that. 0.95

00:22:01.000 Now we're doing front kicks to the face. 0.99

00:22:03.000 Evolution.

00:22:04.000 Now we're doing calf kicks all of a sudden.

00:22:05.000 Like Biss Bing went his entire career without getting calf kicked.

00:22:09.000 I mean, that's nuts.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 When you think about it, that's crazy.

00:22:12.000 That's crazy.

00:22:12.000 He's a world champion.

00:22:14.000 Went through his entire career.

00:22:16.000 No one calf kicked him.

00:22:18.000 That's how weird the sport is.

00:22:20.000 But I think what separates the guys is not just technique.

00:22:25.000 It's not just being a specialist in one very particular area, which is obviously a huge factor, but also the mind. 0.99

00:22:33.000 And a lot of guys don't want to get help in that because they think that if they consult a sports psychologist, they're a pussy. 0.99

00:22:42.000 Yeah, 100%. 1.00

00:22:43.000 Being vulnerable makes me weak.

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 That's a core belief for a lot of guys.

00:22:47.000 And so when you believe that to be true, you're not going to create weakness within yourself.

00:22:52.000 So you're not going to seek it out.

00:22:53.000 Exactly.

00:22:54.000 And there's also a big stigma around like guys in his profession, like anything, right?

00:22:58.000 Yeah.

00:22:59.000 There's like a range to comedians, right?

00:23:01.000 There's a range to people who do what I do. 0.99

00:23:02.000 There's kind of pussies who do it in a way, right? 1.00

00:23:06.000 There's like people who are very like soft. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Be in touch with your feelings.

00:23:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:10.000 Like the too far to like the woo-woo or too far to like, hey, I'm going to follow this textbook where really this work is, it's art at the end of the day, what we're doing.

00:23:18.000 It's like it's a, it's something you feel your way through and it requires years and years of practice to get to any level of mastery.

00:23:25.000 That's interesting.

00:23:26.000 You're talking about like managing your brain as art.

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Well, because it's, it's not just the brain, it's the nervous system.

00:23:33.000 It's the whole body.

00:23:33.000 It's the energy body system, right?

00:23:35.000 So we're talking about, you've heard of like meridians, right?

00:23:37.000 They run through the body.

00:23:38.000 Is that all real?

00:23:39.000 The chakras. 0.97

00:23:40.000 I hear about that, but those are things that I hear about and I go, yeah, I'll wait to talk to somebody about it that's a scientist.

00:23:46.000 You could call it whatever you want, right?

00:23:47.000 We all feel like everyone feels anxiety right here, like in their solar plexus.

00:23:51.000 Yeah, you kind of feel it in the center of your body, right?

00:23:53.000 Boom, right here.

00:23:53.000 Right?

00:23:55.000 This is the patterns I see with all these elite guys I'm working with.

00:23:58.000 It's like I can just, my awareness with them is I can just feel the same thing they can feel.

00:24:03.000 Don't you think that's probably constricted breathing, though?

00:24:06.000 Like constricted breathing, that's where you'd feel it.

00:24:08.000 You'd feel it.

00:24:09.000 I would say constricted breathing is a byproduct of like a blockage in their body and they just feel it.

00:24:15.000 Don't you think it's adrenaline though?

00:24:17.000 It's a giant adrenaline dump and it's also there's an anxiety that comes with that if your mind starts spinning out of control.

00:24:22.000 Like do you do you train?

00:24:24.000 I used to train boxing, yeah.

00:24:26.000 Have you ever done jiu-jitsu?

00:24:27.000 I haven't done jiu-jitsu.

00:24:28.000 One of the things that happens in jiu-jitsu when guys first get started, like say if a guy has like maybe a distorted idea of how tough he is and he's like a big, strong, muscular guy, there's those in particular, for whatever reason, seem to have a real problem when they grapple with a really good guy where they get pinned down and then they get like side controlled and mounted and they start hyperventilating.

00:24:52.000 I've seen it like several times from people that have never trained before, but they're real buff.

00:24:57.000 And they maybe have this idea of who they are and that idea is getting shattered, like just shattered by a guy that doesn't even look impressive, you know, but he's just manhandling you.

00:25:06.000 And the hyperventilating thing to me seems like a bunch of stuff.

00:25:10.000 It's like the battle with reality.

00:25:12.000 This can't be happening.

00:25:13.000 Oh my God, this is happening.

00:25:14.000 There's the forgetting to breathe.

00:25:16.000 There's the elevated heart rate.

00:25:17.000 There's the dump of adrenaline.

00:25:19.000 There's all these different things.

00:25:20.000 It's all connected.

00:25:21.000 This is like a domino effect, right?

00:25:24.000 Right.

00:25:25.000 Like the constricted breathing and the not being able to think clearly.

00:25:28.000 It's all a domino effect.

00:25:30.000 Kind of how I operate is like the belief is the thing that starts a domino.

00:25:34.000 Right.

00:25:35.000 Sure.

00:25:35.000 And so if your belief is being destroyed that moment, that's what creates that domino effect of the body and the nervous system reacting the way it does.

00:25:42.000 Right.

00:25:43.000 And so belief is formed in one of two ways.

00:25:46.000 One is just it's formed through life experience, right?

00:25:49.000 Like the Goggins of the world.

00:25:50.000 He's a very rare person who just builds belief off of doing it.

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:55.000 How many guys are like that in the world?

00:25:57.000 By the way, shout out to my brother David Goggins who just completed the Bigfoot 200.

00:26:00.000 Let's go, Goggins.

00:26:02.000 That dude has no knees, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

00:26:05.000 He's got no knees and he just ran 200 miles through the fucking mountains. 0.99

00:26:09.000 What did he do it in like 60 hours? 0.99

00:26:12.000 It was posted today.

00:26:15.000 Find out what his time was.

00:26:17.000 This dude has no knees.

00:26:19.000 Like, I don't run.

00:26:20.000 My knee's pretty good.

00:26:21.000 Well, that's in comparison.

00:26:22.000 I feel like that's an example of how belief can actually break reality of what's supposed to be possible, right?

00:26:28.000 Well, it certainly broke it in the eyes of his doctor.

00:26:31.000 His doctor, when they first saw his knees, because he didn't go in for anything for a long time, when the doctor first saw his knees, he was like, I can't believe you can walk on these legs.

00:26:40.000 Forget about run thousands of miles.

00:26:42.000 Like, this is nuts.

00:26:43.000 He was not just bone on bone.

00:26:45.000 His bone was distorting.

00:26:46.000 So because it was rubbing bone on bone, it was like forming these like little mushroom curves at the end of it.

00:26:53.000 It's like it's a type of, there's a name for it, like that distortion.

00:26:57.000 It's called wolf something or another.

00:26:59.000 He said It's like theoretical.

00:27:01.000 Like they'd never seen it in a person before, like this.

00:27:04.000 So, like, all right, if that exists, like, that could work, but it shouldn't.

00:27:07.000 Like, we've never seen it.

00:27:08.000 Maybe that doctor said it.

00:27:09.000 I should be real clear on that because I'm hearing it from David Goggins.

00:27:12.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:27:13.000 And I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:27:14.000 Like, he's telling me that. 0.99

00:27:15.000 They told me it could never happen before.

00:27:17.000 But regardless, he's breaking what reality is supposed to be in a way, right?

00:27:21.000 When you compare it to a very large sample size.

00:27:24.000 He is David Goggins is as much as you would say, this is crazy, he's ruining his body, like he doesn't have to do this.

00:27:32.000 That's great.

00:27:33.000 But what he's doing is he's carrying a torch for the human will in a way that very few people have ever done it because he's doing it publicly.

00:27:43.000 He's doing it publicly.

00:27:44.000 And that's why I think it's so important and why I talk about it all the time about how nuts it is. 0.99

00:27:49.000 This guy has no fucking knees and he's operating this way. 0.98

00:27:52.000 So what does it say? 0.99

00:27:54.000 I could try to find total, I don't know how they track it, but he was moving for a total time of two days, one hour, and seven minutes.

00:28:01.000 Oh, so he did it in two days?

00:28:02.000 I thought I saw online.

00:28:04.000 It took three days total.

00:28:05.000 The 20 hours of stop time.

00:28:06.000 That's like your rest time.

00:28:08.000 Oh, right.

00:28:08.000 I don't know what to do overall.

00:28:11.000 It says it listed here, which would be the race tracking.

00:28:14.000 It says when he started and when he finished, right?

00:28:17.000 It says he's finished.

00:28:18.000 Oh, it doesn't say what time?

00:28:19.000 Yeah, I don't know when this is.

00:28:20.000 Oh, is this all off the website or is this track leaders?

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:24.000 What place did he come in?

00:28:25.000 93rd.

00:28:26.000 He's also 50.

00:28:28.000 I mean, he's a freak, dude, but he's like carrying this torch.

00:28:32.000 You might not want to do what he's doing.

00:28:34.000 I wouldn't do what he's doing.

00:28:35.000 But I'm saying it's kind of crazy that this guy can, at 50 years old, can have these endurance workouts with world-class MMA fighters like Israel Adesanya.

00:28:44.000 And he's got Izzy throwing up in a bucket and he's not even breathing heavy.

00:28:49.000 And he does like multiple of those workouts a day in silence.

00:28:54.000 He doesn't listen to music.

00:28:55.000 No one is telling him to do it.

00:28:57.000 He's got no coach.

00:28:59.000 Like he's out there, man.

00:29:02.000 He's out there.

00:29:02.000 Like you said, he's just built it through pure willpower.

00:29:06.000 Yes.

00:29:06.000 I would say most people, almost everyone else in the world, they don't have the ability to build that level of belief through their willpower.

00:29:14.000 I don't know if they don't have the ability, but they don't do it.

00:29:17.000 He's 23rd to finish.

00:29:19.000 But if they don't do it, he was 23rd?

00:29:20.000 His bib was 93. 0.99

00:29:22.000 Oh, no shit. 1.00

00:29:22.000 That's amazing. 1.00

00:29:24.000 23rd place, 50 years old, no knees.

00:29:31.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:29:32.000 What a monster. 1.00

00:29:33.000 Imagine that guy was after you. 0.99

00:29:35.000 Like, what a monster.

00:29:37.000 It's just, it's beautiful.

00:29:39.000 It's like a beautiful expression of will because that's all it is.

00:29:43.000 It's just the will to go on, you know, and the discipline to continue to train like that every day.

00:29:49.000 And then every time you test your will, you push it further.

00:29:51.000 He's like, I'm in the lab every day.

00:29:54.000 Like he's literally learning more about himself while he's doing this.

00:29:59.000 So why do you think millions of people read his book and then such a small percentage of people can kind of replicate that example he's setting?

00:30:06.000 I don't think you want to replicate it.

00:30:08.000 Not to his degree, but to any degree, right?

00:30:10.000 Yeah, I think it exercises moves what your water line is, right?

00:30:16.000 It moves what you expect of yourself, moves that up a few notches because you know a guy like that's out there.

00:30:22.000 If you didn't think a guy like that's out there and you worked out the why three days a week and no one else did, you'd probably be impressed with yourself.

00:30:28.000 You know, I'm out that fucking why three days a week using the Nautilus machine.

00:30:32.000 It's all in who you're comparing yourself to. 0.95

00:30:35.000 And, you know, obviously I can't compare to David Goggins, but when I know that a guy like that is out there in the world, it raises my own personal standard up a notch.

00:30:44.000 I'm never going to hit what he does.

00:30:46.000 I don't have the time.

00:30:47.000 He's working out four or five hours every day.

00:30:50.000 It's crazy.

00:30:50.000 I don't have that commitment either.

00:30:52.000 It's not what I'm interested in.

00:30:55.000 But him doing that has like raised mine.

00:30:58.000 When I look at like Jocko's Instagram and every day it says 4.30 on his Time X, he like shows his, you know, he's got one of those, what is that watch called?

00:31:07.000 What's that watch that he has that everybody wears?

00:31:10.000 The digital Timex watch.

00:31:12.000 It's a famous classic.

00:31:14.000 Iron Man.

00:31:15.000 That's it, right?

00:31:16.000 Is the Iron Man.

00:31:18.000 Yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0.99

00:31:19.000 Yeah, this fucking bulletproof watch. 0.99

00:31:21.000 Of course, that's what he wears, like 4:09 a.m. 0.99

00:31:24.000 That's when he gets up to work out every day. 0.99

00:31:26.000 But guys like that, guys like you, you guys are dogs, right? 0.97

00:31:29.000 You want it. 0.89

00:31:29.000 You get inspired by that. 0.89

00:31:30.000 Some people, they just feel deflated when they see that level, right?

00:31:34.000 They're just like, oh, that's.

00:31:36.000 No, man.

00:31:37.000 You got to embrace it.

00:31:39.000 It is deflating because you're so far from the finish line.

00:31:43.000 It's deflating.

00:31:45.000 But that's why there are fundamental ways to actually build belief within yourself.

00:31:49.000 Like there's steps to do it.

00:31:52.000 And that's what really I want to drive home for anyone who's listening to this is that you can build belief and it's not just banging your head against the wall.

00:32:01.000 I believe you.

00:32:02.000 I'm sure there's systems to it.

00:32:04.000 And that's why I really wanted to talk to you.

00:32:06.000 But the whole idea of the meridians, like, how does that factor into it with you?

00:32:11.000 Like, how do you, what do you hang on this idea of like meridians in the body?

00:32:16.000 Yeah.

00:32:17.000 So I'll talk about how I came to know them, right?

00:32:19.000 Because I was playing football and walked into the supplement shop looking for my next pro homone. 0.99

00:32:24.000 I interrupted you right there.

00:32:24.000 Oh, that's right.

00:32:25.000 Oh, good, bro.

00:32:27.000 We came back circle.

00:32:28.000 Here we go.

00:32:28.000 We kept back here.

00:32:29.000 Like we needed to.

00:32:30.000 So 230-pound, 5-foot-3 dude in there, just jacked.

00:32:35.000 And I'm like, hey, what pro homos do you have? 1.00

00:32:37.000 And he looks at me.

00:32:38.000 He's like, you know, he's very like Zen type of dude.

00:32:40.000 And he's like, why do you want it?

00:32:43.000 And I was like, I'm trying to get on the football field.

00:32:45.000 Like, what else could I do?

00:32:46.000 I'm a meathead.

00:32:46.000 Like, I need to get stronger.

00:32:47.000 It's the only thing I can do.

00:32:49.000 And then he's like, he's like, how do you feel?

00:32:52.000 Like, how do I feel?

00:32:53.000 Like, this is me, 18 years old, atheist, don't believe in anything, the biggest skeptic you're ever going to meet in your life.

00:32:59.000 And he's like, I want you to try this exercise.

00:33:01.000 And he has me just look off into the peripheries of my eyes.

00:33:04.000 How long have you known this guy by then?

00:33:06.000 Literally meeting him.

00:33:08.000 And he just starts going in on me.

00:33:09.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:33:10.000 You think he was trying to have sex with you or anything? 0.95

00:33:10.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:33:13.000 Well, we can get into that.

00:33:17.000 It's just an odd thing to go right into meridians.

00:33:19.000 How do you feel?

00:33:20.000 Like, whoa, trying to get jacked.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 Well, he's just that type of dude.

00:33:23.000 So I call him like a sensei now because I've known him.

00:33:25.000 Oh, you know I'm still.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, yeah, no, no.

00:33:27.000 So I'm still.

00:33:28.000 So he's just a weird guy.

00:33:29.000 Super weird.

00:33:29.000 He's a weird guy.

00:33:30.000 A lot of guys would have their hackles up, though.

00:33:32.000 How do I feel?

00:33:32.000 Like, what?

00:33:33.000 Oh, no.

00:33:33.000 100%.

00:33:34.000 First, I was like, fuck with me. 1.00

00:33:35.000 You know, get the fuck off. 1.00

00:33:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:38.000 Like, the fuck. 1.00

00:33:38.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:33:39.000 Insecure male energy, posturing up.

00:33:42.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:33:43.000 I'm trying to fuck me. 1.00

00:33:44.000 But no, he just made everything feel approachable to an 18-year-old meathead. 1.00

00:33:48.000 So he started teaching me these breathing techniques, like for meditation.

00:33:51.000 And he worked at a supplement store?

00:33:52.000 He was working there at the time.

00:33:54.000 He was studying for his neuroscience degree at a college.

00:33:56.000 To get his master's.

00:33:56.000 Wow.

00:33:57.000 What a like fortuitous coincidence.

00:34:01.000 To run into a dude like that while trying to get jacked.

00:34:01.000 Yes.

00:34:04.000 That's life, right?

00:34:05.000 Right?

00:34:05.000 It is, kind of, right?

00:34:06.000 Like, think about it.

00:34:07.000 You're looking for like the full meathead path and you run into a guy.

00:34:10.000 He's like, how do you feel?

00:34:11.000 You're like, what?

00:34:13.000 I don't feel nothing, bro.

00:34:14.000 I didn't, though.

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00:35:38.000 Because nobody was talking about anxiety back then.

00:35:40.000 Right.

00:35:40.000 You know, I had crazy performance anxiety.

00:35:42.000 I didn't know that was a thing.

00:35:43.000 I was just like, I was like, I don't feel good.

00:35:46.000 What do you mean?

00:35:46.000 I don't know.

00:35:47.000 Like, nobody was talking about their emotions.

00:35:49.000 And so he just started teaching me breathing techniques.

00:35:49.000 Yeah.

00:35:52.000 He taught me up at the meridians, very simple ones that he's like, okay, visualize breathing energy.

00:35:56.000 And this is martial arts stuff, right?

00:35:58.000 So much has to do with breathing.

00:35:59.000 So He was into martial arts as well.

00:36:01.000 He'd be like, all right, I want you to imagine breathing up your governing meridian and your central meridian, which is like right on your spinal cord and up the center line of your body.

00:36:08.000 He's like, all right, breathe in deeply here.

00:36:11.000 How do you feel?

00:36:12.000 And I was like, oh, I just feel more confident.

00:36:13.000 I feel stronger.

00:36:14.000 So he started just teaching me how to do simple stuff like that and then bring it onto like the football field.

00:36:19.000 I was a D-lineman.

00:36:20.000 And so I needed to knock people over.

00:36:21.000 Same thing as martial arts, right?

00:36:23.000 I needed to feel grounded.

00:36:24.000 So I needed to connect to my root chakra, which is, you can call it whatever you want.

00:36:28.000 I don't care.

00:36:28.000 But it's like the root part of your body, the primal, you know, ball sack area down there, the gooch.

00:36:34.000 If you can start to breathe into that area of your body, you will feel more grounded and you can actually become more grounded.

00:36:39.000 So I started using these techniques just to play football.

00:36:42.000 And by doing so, I was like, I don't really care about studying the system super in depth, but I was just taking the tools that were useful to me.

00:36:50.000 Like literally use these and use them to get stronger, like to bench press more.

00:36:54.000 It was just breathing techniques along with visualization.

00:36:57.000 And they're just following this ancient Eastern medicine.

00:37:00.000 How did breathing techniques help your bench?

00:37:04.000 So there's some breathing techniques.

00:37:06.000 I'm sure you're doing martial arts, right?

00:37:07.000 You put your tongue behind your teeth and you can start to breathe in deeply.

00:37:12.000 And if you start to visualize, bringing energy down through the crown of your head and then meeting it kind of like in the just below your belly button there, you can just start to build more energy, more power.

00:37:22.000 You're just focusing energy.

00:37:24.000 That's all you're doing.

00:37:24.000 And then if you visualize yourself, lifting the weight, you're going to lift it heavier.

00:37:28.000 And so how much heavier?

00:37:30.000 There's a bunch of research.

00:37:31.000 You could look up tons of different strength-based tasks studies that show that visualization increases strength.

00:37:37.000 Like, for example, so that's just kind of a kind of visualization, you think?

00:37:42.000 That breathing exercise?

00:37:44.000 I was just stacking what was known as like basic PET lab imagery, P-E-T-T-L-E-P imagery, along with these breathing techniques and visualizing a specific way.

00:37:54.000 Oh, I thought that when they say visualization helps performance, I thought it was like long-term.

00:38:00.000 I didn't think it was like right before they did a thing.

00:38:03.000 I thought I thought it was like part of training.

00:38:06.000 I think, okay, so there's two types, right?

00:38:08.000 So there's like, for example, there's literally a study you could look up and it's like a bicep curl.

00:38:13.000 They did this study.

00:38:14.000 There's four different groups.

00:38:15.000 The first group just didn't do anything.

00:38:17.000 Second group just did bicep physical curl. 1.00

00:38:19.000 The third group did bicep curl plus visualization of doing curls.

00:38:25.000 The fourth group did just visualization.

00:38:27.000 The group that did just the bicep curl and the group that did just the visualization performed the same.

00:38:33.000 They had the same increase in strength.

00:38:35.000 And the group that performed the best was the one that did the visualization plus the bicep curl.

00:38:40.000 Interesting.

00:38:41.000 And so there's a bunch of studies like that that just show how when you just stack these different tools together, they can be beneficial.

00:38:46.000 Yes, in the short term.

00:38:47.000 For like a fighter, for example, like this is what I'm training my guys.

00:38:50.000 When we go into fight camp, every single time, we're just training the subconscious to be comfortable being in the setting and just training the subconscious mind, right?

00:39:00.000 We're just wiring, just digging in those grooves of like, this is what it's going to feel like.

00:39:04.000 This is going to be the experience and just wiring it in a way of having success.

00:39:09.000 And then what I do is I notice, I'm like, how do you feel?

00:39:12.000 How do you feel?

00:39:12.000 How do you feel as we go along here?

00:39:13.000 It's like, oh, there's doubt that's coming up.

00:39:15.000 Boom.

00:39:16.000 Let's get rid of that.

00:39:16.000 Let's go in there.

00:39:17.000 And it's not an intellectual thing to remove doubt.

00:39:20.000 It's a feeling thing in the body.

00:39:21.000 And honestly, I don't care what we call it.

00:39:24.000 We call it in the chakra.

00:39:25.000 We call it just feeling in the body.

00:39:26.000 You say, all right, I feel doubt coming up right now at this point of fight.

00:39:30.000 Why?

00:39:31.000 Well, I have this memory that's created this scar tissue within my nervous system right now because this has happened before that I believe if I try to do this, then something bad is going to happen.

00:39:40.000 I'm going to lose a fight.

00:39:41.000 So we need to actually accept that, right?

00:39:43.000 Zen proverb: what I can't accept won't change.

00:39:46.000 So you use these breathing techniques to accept your way through it.

00:39:49.000 The body kind of relaxes through it.

00:39:51.000 And then we let it go.

00:39:53.000 And then we choose the opposite belief.

00:39:54.000 And that's the alchemy of the process.

00:39:57.000 Do you know how many people were involved in the study that showed that the visualization right before the performance was better?

00:40:02.000 Jamie, you just got a different one.

00:40:04.000 Different ones.

00:40:04.000 This is about hip flexors.

00:40:05.000 Hip flexors.

00:40:06.000 Interesting.

00:40:07.000 There's a bunch of them out there, though.

00:40:08.000 Study whether mental training alone can produce a gain in muscular strength.

00:40:12.000 30 male university athletes, including football, basketball, and rugby players, were randomly assigned to perform mental training of their hip flexor muscles to use weight machines to physically exercise their hip flexors or to form a control group which received neither mental nor physical training.

00:40:28.000 The hip strength of each group was measured Before and after training, physical strength was increased by 24% through mental practice.

00:40:36.000 Strength was also increased through physical training by 28%, but did not change significantly in the control condition, whatever that means.

00:40:45.000 That just means that people didn't do anything.

00:40:46.000 They didn't visualize and they didn't do that.

00:40:48.000 Oh, in the control group.

00:40:49.000 Yeah.

00:40:49.000 Okay.

00:40:51.000 I get it.

00:40:52.000 I thought they were saying a different thing.

00:40:55.000 The strength gain was greatest amongst football players.

00:40:57.000 Given mental training, mental and physical training, produced similar decreases in heart rate and both yielded a marginal reduction in systolic blood pressure, the results support, the related findings of whoever that is, that giant name.

00:41:12.000 Interesting.

00:41:12.000 Very interesting.

00:41:13.000 So it definitely has an effect.

00:41:15.000 And it seems like it definitely has a positive effect right before you're performing any kind of athletics.

00:41:23.000 Yeah.

00:41:23.000 And I think these studies are over like at least a six-week period of time.

00:41:26.000 So if you want to see like strength-based tests improve over time, like they're incrementally getting stronger, right?

00:41:33.000 It's not just then.

00:41:34.000 They're kind of maintaining that strength, I imagine, as long as they continue to do the visualization.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, I wonder, you know, that's the thing is like most people that go to the gym, like most people who are listening to this have regular jobs.

00:41:45.000 If they go to the gym, they don't go visualize.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, this is peak performance stuff we're talking about.

00:41:51.000 This is pro-athlete.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 If you're trying to get better, like what way to you want to get better, this is good for you too. 0.97

00:41:59.000 I know it sucks. 0.96

00:41:59.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:42:00.000 You don't want to visualize your kettlebell routines and visualize your muscles growing afterwards, but it might be worth a go.

00:42:06.000 I'd like to hear from some people that try it.

00:42:08.000 Because if that kind of results, that's pretty nice.

00:42:10.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:42:11.000 That's pretty nutty, man.

00:42:12.000 So, like, like I'm saying, like, I did this stuff and then I actually abandoned my football career because I liked it so much.

00:42:18.000 And I went on and did research.

00:42:19.000 I got a research grant just to look at the effect of using some of these techniques on bench pressing performance and also decreasing anxiety.

00:42:26.000 Because for me, I realized when I was 18, 19, I had crazy anxiety.

00:42:29.000 I was like, all right, this stuff is helping.

00:42:32.000 You know, call it meditation, hypnosis, whatever you mean.

00:42:35.000 If you can progressively relax yourself, right, sitting in a flow tank, right?

00:42:38.000 If you can just do that, if you can progressively relax yourself, your anxiety is going to go down.

00:42:42.000 Your cortisol levels are going to go down.

00:42:44.000 The whole body's going to thrive.

00:42:46.000 And this is actually connected to so much that has to do with our health, kind of come a full circle.

00:42:50.000 I see so much.

00:42:52.000 A lot of professional athletes come to me with these injuries.

00:42:55.000 The physical therapist working on it, working on it, working on it.

00:42:58.000 Nothing's happening.

00:42:58.000 It's just a nagging injury.

00:43:00.000 Every single time, if I can relax them enough and I can get to the root emotional core of whatever is creating this pain for them, and it's usually emotional.

00:43:09.000 It's actually like a memory or some kind of mental block, like the governor is coming in, right?

00:43:15.000 I'll see some guys in like the lower minor leagues.

00:43:17.000 He's trying to go up to the major leagues.

00:43:19.000 And it's like these things will just start to express themselves when they're just about to get to that next level.

00:43:24.000 And if we can move through the emotional side of it, the pain disappears.

00:43:29.000 Right, but not in all injuries, right?

00:43:31.000 Like there's got to be like legitimate injuries where guys blow their meniscus out, guys have broken shin bones that have to be reconstructed.

00:43:39.000 Stuff that can't be explained.

00:43:41.000 Like a lot of times, right, you go to the doctor, like, I don't know what your issue is, right?

00:43:44.000 That happens all the time.

00:43:45.000 Okay, well, that's a different thing.

00:43:46.000 I mean, the realities of physical injuries that guys get from combat sports training are real.

00:43:51.000 Like if you have bulging discs in your neck and your arm goes numb, that's a real problem.

00:43:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:57.000 You know, it's not just an emotional thing.

00:43:59.000 Well, I'm speaking about things that are like nagging and you're doing the physical therapy and it's not working.

00:44:04.000 Right.

00:44:04.000 Okay.

00:44:05.000 If that's you.

00:44:06.000 Okay.

00:44:06.000 So yeah, we got to be specific, right?

00:44:08.000 So you're talking about like weird stuff that does come up where they're almost like psychosomatic injuries because guys are responding badly to the pressure.

00:44:16.000 And not even just the pressure.

00:44:18.000 It could just be, it could be an injury that existed before, but it's just not healing.

00:44:24.000 For whatever reason, it's not healing and it's just kind of recurring.

00:44:27.000 If you can get to the emotional root, it will keep that.

00:44:30.000 Like I have fun with this now.

00:44:31.000 I always look up whenever someone tells me their injury.

00:44:33.000 I just look at chat GPT.

00:44:34.000 What is a spiritual emotional connection to this injury?

00:44:37.000 And it's usually right on point.

00:44:39.000 I'll be like, what do you think about this?

00:44:40.000 They're like, oh, yeah, that's.

00:44:42.000 Spiritual-emotional connection to, but not to like legit injuries like a broken hand.

00:44:47.000 Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean?

00:44:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:44:50.000 Like someone breaks their hand.

00:44:51.000 They got to get screws and plates in there.

00:44:54.000 Yeah.

00:44:54.000 Sure.

00:44:55.000 That's not, you can't look that up on Chat GPT. 1.00

00:44:57.000 He broke his fucking hand. 0.99

00:44:59.000 I'll give you an example. 1.00

00:45:00.000 Like, I have so many of these, right?

00:45:01.000 It might be like someone who has like a hamstring that's just nagging, right?

00:45:05.000 A lot of athletes.

00:45:06.000 Like, I pop my hamstring and it just won't feel normal again, right?

00:45:10.000 Right.

00:45:10.000 Like, I look that type of stuff up.

00:45:11.000 It's like, all right, well, why isn't this going away?

00:45:14.000 I work with like pitchers in Major League Baseball.

00:45:16.000 It's like my hip.

00:45:17.000 It's like, well, why is this coming up now?

00:45:19.000 And usually there's always like some kind of route.

00:45:22.000 And if we can get to it, we can relieve it.

00:45:24.000 I bet there's a lot of guys too that have, if you think about making a living with your body, you make a living in a sport with your body where you're putting your body through explosive movements that could blow joints out.

00:45:34.000 So there's always this anxiety that all could go away.

00:45:38.000 Yes.

00:45:38.000 One twist of the ankle, one blowout.

00:45:41.000 I mean, look at people all the time lose their careers in football and in martial arts because they blow a knee out or they blow their back apart.

00:45:50.000 Bro, there's only like 10 core beliefs that create fear in athletes I've seen.

00:45:54.000 Like, there's not that many.

00:45:56.000 And one of them is the one you're pointing out right now is like life-changing injuries.

00:45:59.000 Will I be able to sustain it?

00:46:00.000 You know, the core is like, will I be able to sustain this or will I be able to continue to do the thing that I love?

00:46:04.000 And of course, like, yeah, if you get injured, then you're going to lose it all.

00:46:04.000 Right.

00:46:08.000 Did you ever talk to Wideman after he broke his leg?

00:46:11.000 I did.

00:46:11.000 Did you?

00:46:12.000 I did.

00:46:12.000 Yeah.

00:46:13.000 Does he openly talk about that?

00:46:14.000 Are we allowed to talk about this?

00:46:16.000 Yeah.

00:46:16.000 I mean, he gave me a testimonial, so I think he's pretty open.

00:46:20.000 He gave him like online so he could talk about it.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, he put like a video testimony.

00:46:24.000 He's one of the toughest guys that's ever fought in the UFC.

00:46:27.000 He's an animal. 0.99

00:46:28.000 And that guy in his prime was fucking terrifying. 1.00

00:46:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:46:31.000 But that injury that he got is one of the absolute hardest injuries to recover from. 0.97

00:46:38.000 That broken leg, when they break their shin in half like that, very few people ever come back.

00:46:45.000 I mean, there's one guy, I believe, that's heavyweight in Bellator.

00:46:48.000 It happened to him, and he's fighting again and fighting well.

00:46:52.000 I don't know his name.

00:46:53.000 See if you can find his name.

00:46:54.000 But Anderson was never the same after his.

00:46:57.000 Tyrone Spong was never the same after his.

00:47:00.000 Widemann was never the same after his. 0.87

00:47:02.000 It's just, and psychologically, it's got to be fucking crazy to think that you threw a super powerful kick that broke your own leg in half.

00:47:11.000 And now you're expected, you went through a year and a half of hell to try to just get to the point where you can hit paths again. 0.79

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 And now you're going to go risk it again. 0.87

00:47:21.000 Might kick someone's knee again and break your shin again and do that again.

00:47:25.000 And then you can't walk again.

00:47:27.000 What we're talking about is like that, just so it could be a physical scar tissue.

00:47:30.000 It's that emotional scar tissue.

00:47:32.000 You know, it's just like it's hard for those thoughts not to come back into your head of like, I need to be extra careful here.

00:47:37.000 Well, they're reasonable thoughts.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:39.000 You know, if you think about it, but it's like Chris had that style.

00:47:43.000 Well, I mean, that kick that he threw in Uriah Hall was full blast. 0.98

00:47:47.000 I mean, he fucking ripped that kick. 0.97

00:47:49.000 And then when I heard that snap, I've heard that snap a couple of times. 0.99

00:47:55.000 And it is the most horrible sound, man. 1.00

00:47:57.000 The sound of a bone breaking, like a person's bone breaking, is like, ooh, fuck. 1.00

00:48:04.000 It gets you like in every cell in your body. 1.00

00:48:07.000 Like, God damn, that's awful. 0.99

00:48:11.000 I've seen it a bunch. 0.99

00:48:12.000 I've seen it at least half a dozen times.

00:48:15.000 I've seen people get a bone broken.

00:48:18.000 Yeah, it's traumatizing.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 To come back from that is very hard because we're talking about the anxiety of always worrying about getting injured and then you get injured from maybe a kick you through or Tim Sylvia Frank Muir.

00:48:30.000 Frank Muir broke his arm or Frank Muir Minotaro, his spiral fracture from that Kimura.

00:48:36.000 Like, coming back from something like that is really hard.

00:48:42.000 But what do you do for a fighter when you're trying to rebuild them?

00:48:46.000 Do you take each fighter as a unique project and you just want to know everything about them and what bothers them about themselves?

00:48:58.000 What bothers them about their discipline?

00:49:00.000 So how do you do it?

00:49:01.000 I'm going to explain what I do.

00:49:02.000 It's going to sound woo-woo, but I also want to contextualize it with the fact that I didn't believe in anything. 0.99

00:49:08.000 It's just my experience of doing this stuff for 17 years now and just seeing and feeling my way into this art that now I speak about things that the old me 15 years ago, 20 years ago, would be like, shut the fuck up. 0.98

00:49:21.000 Right.

00:49:22.000 But so what I do with any of my clients is I bring them to a very relaxed state.

00:49:26.000 You know, like think of custody motto.

00:49:28.000 What do you do with Mike Tyson?

00:49:29.000 Like that's what I'm doing with these guys.

00:49:30.000 So I'm bringing them almost into a hypnotic state and I'm bringing them down into this place where they finally let go.

00:49:30.000 Right.

00:49:36.000 They're no longer trying to like keep me out, defend, keep up this like identity they want to project into the world so they can actually get to the insecurities because I don't touch any of the beliefs that are working for them.

00:49:49.000 If someone has positive beliefs, they're successful, I don't touch any of that stuff.

00:49:52.000 All I'm trying to find is their insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubt.

00:49:57.000 And so I'm just digging deeper and deeper into their body until we start to think about things they want to achieve.

00:50:03.000 And it's like, ooh, what was twitchy there?

00:50:05.000 Something twitches in them.

00:50:05.000 Right?

00:50:06.000 It's like, I'm feeling like I'm getting angry now.

00:50:09.000 Why are you getting angry?

00:50:10.000 Why do we get angry?

00:50:10.000 Right?

00:50:11.000 It's because we're afraid and we're trying to defend ourselves.

00:50:14.000 And so if I find something like that, I feel into it with them.

00:50:17.000 And then I ask them, I'm like, what would you believe to be true that make you feel this way right now?

00:50:22.000 And if I sit there long and I hold him in that tension, it'll eventually come up.

00:50:27.000 And through that, we can release that belief.

00:50:29.000 We accept our way through it first.

00:50:31.000 We can release it and we can reprogram it.

00:50:34.000 How are you setting this up?

00:50:35.000 Is this actual hypnosis?

00:50:36.000 Are you doing like hypnotic techniques?

00:50:38.000 Yeah.

00:50:39.000 And how did you learn how to do that?

00:50:42.000 Same guy, Sensei.

00:50:43.000 Sensei.

00:50:45.000 Does he have a cult?

00:50:46.000 Does he have a cult that we could join?

00:50:47.000 A one-of-one.

00:50:50.000 So this guy taught you hypnosis techniques as well.

00:50:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:53.000 He taught me a lot of different things.

00:50:54.000 Hypnosis, NLP, timeline therapy.

00:50:58.000 And then I didn't go on and get a secondary degree.

00:51:00.000 So I studied that, I created my own degree and went to a liberal arts school in LA.

00:51:04.000 The mental aspect to human performance, but everything I was learning that was helping me and my teammates, I was learning outside of school.

00:51:10.000 So I was like, I'm not going to go get spend $200,000 in getting a secondary degree when I'm learning everything else outside of school.

00:51:16.000 So I've just continued to go to workshops, learn, study with different people who know how to do different techniques.

00:51:23.000 And that's how I learn very kinesthetically.

00:51:25.000 In the same way that if you're doing martial arts, you're just trying to go to as many masks as you can.

00:51:29.000 This guy jiu-jitsu, this guy kickboxing.

00:51:31.000 That's just what I've done.

00:51:32.000 I've gone and tried to find different people who are really good at what they do.

00:51:35.000 And that's how I learn through doing and actually experiencing the work of myself first.

00:51:39.000 If it works for me, then I try it on my clients.

00:51:42.000 If it works for them, I just keep it going.

00:51:43.000 And I just, I don't have one technique.

00:51:45.000 I use many different techniques, whatever the moment calls for, that's what I use.

00:51:50.000 Are there even degrees that you could get in human performance that would sort of match the kind of studying that you're doing?

00:51:57.000 Is there anything like if you went to a major university, do they consider human mental performance and human performance, whether it's in athletics or chess or anything like that, where you have to really think through things and deal with pressure?

00:52:10.000 Do they consider that a discipline?

00:52:13.000 Is that something that they study?

00:52:15.000 I think sports psychology, I think you can get a different.

00:52:19.000 But that sounds very rudimentary.

00:52:21.000 It is.

00:52:21.000 Like sports psychology versus human performance.

00:52:24.000 When you think about this conversation that you and I are having, one of the things that we're talking about is how important it is to have a mindset that allows you to work your way through difficulties and become successful at a thing and just get out of your own way.

00:52:24.000 It is.

00:52:42.000 Everybody wants to do that.

00:52:43.000 So if that's a real thing, why wouldn't that be taught in every major university?

00:52:50.000 They won't let you smoke the tote at school.

00:52:52.000 That's what we're doing.

00:52:52.000 But they don't have to specifically advocate for it.

00:52:57.000 But the kids are going to do it anyway.

00:53:00.000 But what's important is that they should recognize that this is a thing.

00:53:04.000 Like if it's a thing, if we all agree, and I bet any competitive athlete in any sport has experienced anxiety.

00:53:04.000 Yeah.

00:53:11.000 You've had days where you felt amazing and you performed amazing, and then you've had days where you doubted yourself and you fucked up and you dropped the ball or whatever you did.

00:53:21.000 There's this weird battle that goes on in the head and it's all it has a giant result, whatever's going on in your head and how you perform.

00:53:29.000 Yes.

00:53:30.000 And you always talk about where do ideas come from, right?

00:53:33.000 Like where do they magically come from?

00:53:35.000 I don't know where they come from exactly, but I know how they're getting filtered.

00:53:39.000 And it's just through the beliefs because our belief system deletes, distorts, and generalizes information. 0.99

00:53:44.000 And the fact that nobody, not nobody, but many people don't understand how that filtration works just limits so many of us from achieving what we want because we're literally like, you all know like the girl who's like dated an asshole and she's like, all men are assholes, right? 0.98

00:53:59.000 She's deleting, distorting, generalizing like her best friend who's married to an incredible guy, right? 0.98

00:54:04.000 But when you believe something, you literally shape the world to make it match it.

00:54:08.000 Right.

00:54:10.000 Yeah, you kind of do.

00:54:12.000 And if you believe bad things, bad things will happen to you.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:15.000 No, 100%.

00:54:16.000 There's millions of pieces of information that you can see, smell, taste, or touch in any moment.

00:54:20.000 There's so much sensory information.

00:54:22.000 We can only pick up on a few in our conscious mind in any moment.

00:54:24.000 So that's where the ideas come from.

00:54:26.000 I also think it's interactive more than we like to admit.

00:54:29.000 Tell me about that.

00:54:30.000 I don't think you can manifest your own reality, but I think you have a part in the process.

00:54:39.000 And the thinking part about the visual, not necessarily visualizing, but staying on a path.

00:54:47.000 Yes.

00:54:48.000 There's an element that's going on there that's affecting reality itself.

00:54:54.000 There's a weird exchange of energy between human beings and between reality itself that I don't think we figured out how to measure.

00:55:02.000 I don't think it's as simple as, you know, life is a series of events and it all takes place randomly and good luck to the synchronicities are undeniable.

00:55:12.000 Yeah, there's some stuff that's weird.

00:55:14.000 There's some stuff that's weird that makes me think without going full woo-woo, maybe we just don't have a grasp of the full spectrum of all the things that are happening, of all the factors at play, and how many of them have to deal with, you know, we would air quote, energy.

00:55:31.000 Yes.

00:55:31.000 You know, that's where the woo-woo comes in.

00:55:33.000 Here's how I appeal to my rational mind to make this make sense, right?

00:55:37.000 So I think about beliefs are like the code of our mind that's constantly filtering in the information.

00:55:43.000 All this code does is determine how I'm going to feel.

00:55:47.000 And that feeling is either going to make me want to go towards something or pull away from it.

00:55:50.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 So I just want my beliefs to push me or pull me towards the things that I want because it's going to lead to me behaving in a way that gets to an outcome.

00:55:59.000 As simple as that.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:01.000 Well, that's logical.

00:56:04.000 But everybody's starting from a different place, right?

00:56:07.000 So there's some people that are starting from a devastating place of a lack of self-belief.

00:56:12.000 Yes.

00:56:12.000 And for those, it's just going to be a longer journey to get to some sort of positive outcome.

00:56:19.000 But a lot of people just don't know how to begin the first steps.

00:56:22.000 Like they want to. 1.00

00:56:24.000 Like if you have like no confidence, you feel like shit. 1.00

00:56:26.000 You feel like every day is garbage. 1.00

00:56:28.000 Everywhere you go, you think, oh my God, everyone's going to hate me.

00:56:31.000 There's a lot of people that walk through life like that.

00:56:33.000 You want the first step?

00:56:34.000 It's awareness.

00:56:34.000 What's the first step?

00:56:35.000 Awareness.

00:56:36.000 Yeah.

00:56:37.000 Set an alarm on your phone every three hours just to ask yourself, how do you feel? 0.99

00:56:40.000 Well, you feel like shit every hour, on the hour. 0.99

00:56:42.000 Like, I feel so sad. 0.99

00:56:43.000 But you got to sit in that, right?

00:56:44.000 Because most people cut themselves off at like the head and they just stay in the thoughts, the negative thoughts, but they don't actually go into the feeling.

00:56:51.000 So that's step one.

00:56:52.000 Okay. 0.99

00:56:52.000 Just to sit in the shit pit of full awareness of all the feelings. 0.99

00:56:57.000 Then from there, set another alarm for the next week that go, okay, feel what's coming up and then ask yourself, what were you focused on? 0.98

00:57:05.000 Then you can start to take some kind of ownership over like, where are those thoughts coming from?

00:57:08.000 Right.

00:57:09.000 How is my focus creating the way that I feel?

00:57:11.000 Right.

00:57:12.000 And you can start to start, you can start to see your beliefs by connecting those dots of like, all right, why is that making me feel angry?

00:57:19.000 So you have to feel first and then notice what you're focusing on.

00:57:22.000 And then you start to come into this feeling of, all right, well, I'm seeing it, right?

00:57:26.000 It's the four stages of learning.

00:57:28.000 You're getting to this place of conscious incompetence.

00:57:30.000 I see that I make myself feel bad.

00:57:32.000 I don't know how I'm doing it.

00:57:33.000 And then you can go, okay, what if I started to flip the focus and I started to build that muscle?

00:57:39.000 Because this is the way I think about the mind and all these things is it's a muscle, just like the body.

00:57:43.000 You can start to train it.

00:57:44.000 Your mind just picks up on these patterns of repetition.

00:57:47.000 Just like striking a bag, just like anything else.

00:57:50.000 If you do something over and over again, right?

00:57:51.000 You say the same things to yourself over and over again.

00:57:54.000 The repetition starts to make its way down to the subconscious level.

00:57:57.000 Well, Huberman talked about that, that area of the brain that actually grows larger when you do things you don't want to do and you build discipline.

00:58:04.000 So it really is like a muscle.

00:58:06.000 So you don't want to focus on the thing that is good for you because it feels like, oh, yucky.

00:58:11.000 It's like, I'm lying to myself.

00:58:13.000 But that's the exercise.

00:58:14.000 Just continue to flip it.

00:58:14.000 Just flip it.

00:58:16.000 But for some people, they don't know how to get started with these thoughts.

00:58:20.000 Like without hiring a coach.

00:58:24.000 I mean, do you have it laid out in the second?

00:58:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:26.000 What someone says is that it's a little bit different.

00:58:27.000 The second half of the book is a literally playbook.

00:58:29.000 Just do everything In the second half of the book.

00:58:31.000 What I'm getting to this is though, like, you know, you're dealing with a guy like Sean Brady. 0.99

00:58:36.000 He's already tough as fuck. 0.97

00:58:37.000 He's already a elite MMA fighter. 1.00

00:58:40.000 He has this loss, but he's already a beast of a human being. 0.92

00:58:43.000 When you're dealing with people that don't have any athletic background and, you know, maybe they just have a job and they just have no fucking confidence, but they're sick of it. 0.73

00:58:51.000 They're sick of like living life in this anxiety pit of despair and they want to find a way out.

00:58:57.000 There's got to be like multiple different things that have to happen, right?

00:59:00.000 So it's not just the way you think, but there's also like actions.

00:59:05.000 And I think.

00:59:06.000 This is an action, right?

00:59:08.000 Step into awareness.

00:59:09.000 Yes.

00:59:10.000 Feel it.

00:59:10.000 The next set of actions, the next week, step into awareness of what you're feeling and what are you focusing on that makes you feel the way.

00:59:16.000 That's another set of actions.

00:59:18.000 But do you feel like this is all possible for someone to achieve without some kind of physical exercise in coordination with it?

00:59:27.000 Because what kind of exercise are you talking about?

00:59:29.000 It seems to me that people with depression in particular, like one of the best cures for depression is regular exercise, any kind of exercise. 0.67

00:59:37.000 Whether it's, you know, fucking go jog around the lake, whatever you want to do.

00:59:42.000 Well, listen, even before any of this is low-hanging fruits. 0.98

00:59:44.000 Like in the book, I have people do an intake of their life.

00:59:47.000 And I have them also kind of just look at all the low-hanging fruit of like, if you're drinking vodka bottles at 7 a.m. in the morning, like that's a low-hanging fruit you need to start to find a way through.

00:59:57.000 Drink one instead of three, right?

00:59:59.000 There's all these like small steps you have to take.

01:00:02.000 You're drinking one bottle instead of three.

01:00:03.000 Is everybody saying tiny bottles?

01:00:04.000 Come on.

01:00:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:06.000 If you're drinking vodka in the morning, like you've got bigger problems.

01:00:06.000 Like this is like.

01:00:09.000 Bro, I've had clients who are like, you know, high-level executives that are so stressed that they drink first thing in the morning.

01:00:15.000 I've had, and I've helped them get off there completely.

01:00:17.000 But it starts with something like that of like, all right.

01:00:20.000 Well, that's a big duh, right?

01:00:22.000 But what I'm getting at is, I think if you want to have less anxiety, you got to wring some of it out of your physical body as well.

01:00:29.000 And that'll help you achieve clarity.

01:00:31.000 You have to think about it like a nutrient that you're taking or brushing your teeth or doing some, take your medication.

01:00:38.000 You have to really think about it like that.

01:00:39.000 And it doesn't matter what kind of stuff you do.

01:00:41.000 It doesn't matter whatever you like to do.

01:00:43.000 If you like to do yoga, you want to go hike with a weight vest on, you want to do push-ups in a parking lot.

01:00:49.000 Do whatever.

01:00:50.000 I couldn't agree more.

01:00:50.000 Do something.

01:00:51.000 You just have to do something where you push yourself because if you don't, your body stores up, it seems, like all this anxiety.

01:00:58.000 Yes.

01:00:59.000 And the reason why I believe this, one of the reasons why I believe this, it's like I've had some of like the best mindsets ever in my life after yoga classes and long stretching sessions where I'm working on something.

01:01:14.000 I'm just like, you know what?

01:01:14.000 I'm going to stretch out here and I'll just sit and stretch for an hour and a half, two hours.

01:01:18.000 And when I get up, I feel wonderful.

01:01:21.000 I feel like the world is beautiful.

01:01:23.000 I want to hug people.

01:01:24.000 I feel so peaceful.

01:01:26.000 I love doing that like right before I do stand-up.

01:01:28.000 It's like one of my favorite things is to really stretch out right before I do stand-up.

01:01:32.000 And I just feel so relaxed.

01:01:34.000 It's so different.

01:01:35.000 So you're carrying around actual physical tension that affects your mind.

01:01:41.000 That's why I think, regardless of the tools that you use in terms of all of it.

01:01:46.000 I'm all of it.

01:01:47.000 That's why I'm not just mental performance.

01:01:49.000 It has to be all of it.

01:01:50.000 It's nutrition.

01:01:52.000 So important, right?

01:01:52.000 The gut-brain access.

01:01:54.000 It has to be nutrition, exercise, rigorous exercise.

01:01:57.000 How about your career?

01:01:58.000 Living a life where you have some sense of meaning, right?

01:02:03.000 And starting to move towards that.

01:02:04.000 Right.

01:02:05.000 Don't do something you hate just because it pays you.

01:02:07.000 If you have an option to do something that you might possibly love, if you want a better life, that's the life.

01:02:12.000 Even if you're making less money, that's the life.

01:02:14.000 You don't want to be doing something you don't want to do.

01:02:16.000 You're trying to decrease the amount of stuck energy in your life.

01:02:19.000 That's what you're trying to do.

01:02:19.000 Yes.

01:02:20.000 When you feel suppressed, you're not doing what you want to do.

01:02:23.000 The energy gets stuck. 0.84

01:02:24.000 And if you're doing a job that you hate and you know you could be doing something else, you just have never fucking gone for it. 0.59

01:02:29.000 Like, ooh, that'll eat away. 0.99

01:02:31.000 Back of your head.

01:02:32.000 It's just always there.

01:02:33.000 It's always there.

01:02:33.000 It's always.

01:02:34.000 Forever and ever and ever.

01:02:35.000 It'll always eat away at you that you never took a chance. 1.00

01:02:37.000 You just, they show up every day, 9 a.m., punch in, fuck. 1.00

01:02:44.000 Just waiting for 5 p.m., fuck. 1.00

01:02:46.000 And then you get off and you're tired. 1.00

01:02:48.000 You know, and then you see other people that didn't do that and you feel like shit even more. 0.99

01:02:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:02:53.000 And then, you know, it's like you're 40 and it's too late, you feel like, but it's not.

01:02:58.000 It's never too late.

01:02:58.000 Are you breathing?

01:03:00.000 Are you alive?

01:03:01.000 Okay, then you can figure out something better than what you're doing.

01:03:04.000 You don't have much time left.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, that self-suppression creates a depression in any aspect, right?

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 Anytime you're trying to just like squeeze in, hold it in, hold it in, whether it's the inspiration you have, whether it's like, hey, I want to go play this sport, but I just never make time for it.

01:03:22.000 That's self-suppression.

01:03:23.000 Like, you have to make time for your natural inspiration to flow through you.

01:03:27.000 And if you don't, I think that's what creates depression.

01:03:29.000 Well, it's very hard for people to get going, to just actually do something.

01:03:34.000 And I brought this up a million times, and I'll bring it up again, unfortunately.

01:03:38.000 Steven Pressfield has an amazing book called The War of Art.

01:03:43.000 And it's about that suppression that you put on yourself, that weird, and he calls it resistance.

01:03:50.000 And he talks about summoning the muse and deciding that you're professional and show up every day.

01:03:55.000 And I think it's the same with that.

01:03:58.000 It's the same thing.

01:03:59.000 It's like it's hard to just get off the couch and put your shoes on.

01:04:02.000 Like Goggins talks about it. 1.00

01:04:04.000 He's like, I stare at those motherfuckers for half an hour sometimes. 1.00

01:04:08.000 But he always puts them. 1.00

01:04:09.000 He doesn't lose them for 30 minutes.

01:04:09.000 I believe him.

01:04:11.000 Yep, 100%.

01:04:12.000 He's telling you the truth.

01:04:12.000 He doesn't lie.

01:04:13.000 That's why.

01:04:14.000 Because he brutalizes himself.

01:04:15.000 It makes sense that he stares them for 30 minutes, but he probably literally stares at them.

01:04:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:04:20.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:04:21.000 He's just cussing him out. 1.00

01:04:22.000 And then he just puts them on.

01:04:23.000 You don't know me, son.

01:04:24.000 Exactly.

01:04:25.000 Then he puts them on.

01:04:26.000 So there's something there.

01:04:30.000 You know?

01:04:32.000 That resistance that Pressfield talks about, that's exactly what I'm talking about here, right?

01:04:32.000 There is.

01:04:36.000 Yeah, it's doing something to you.

01:04:37.000 Whether you're an athlete, whether you're creative.

01:04:40.000 I mean, I think it applies to everyone.

01:04:41.000 Like, the resistance is whatever is holding you back from following your natural inspiration.

01:04:46.000 Well, I think a big part of that resistance is a fear of failure.

01:04:50.000 There's a thing that hovers over people, that's fear of failure, and that actually keeps you from just doing the things that you need to do to be successful.

01:05:01.000 You get afraid for whatever weird reason.

01:05:04.000 It becomes a predominant fear in your head.

01:05:06.000 Broken code.

01:05:07.000 There's so many reasons.

01:05:08.000 Like, I'll give you an example.

01:05:10.000 So I ran like a big fitness channel when I was trying to make it before I started working with cool clients who were like Sean Brady and built a big fitness community.

01:05:19.000 And I would see that like a mom who's not doing her exercise. 0.71

01:05:22.000 And it's like, why don't you just do it?

01:05:23.000 Just do it.

01:05:24.000 Just get up.

01:05:24.000 Just do it.

01:05:26.000 You go down into a subconscious find, oh, well, I believe that if I start working out, I won't have time to be the mom that I am right now.

01:05:34.000 And then my kids will leave me.

01:05:35.000 Completely irrational.

01:05:36.000 But subconsciously, that's what exists out there.

01:05:39.000 For so many people, they think they're going to lose out on something.

01:05:42.000 And if they lose it, it's not worth it subconsciously than doing the thing that they're inspired to do.

01:05:48.000 But it's also sometimes people, their health is bad.

01:05:52.000 And then unfortunately, they're not eating correctly.

01:05:54.000 And that's why their health is bad.

01:05:56.000 And they have zero energy.

01:05:58.000 And so the daunting task of doing something on top of working all day, it's almost like overwhelming to them.

01:06:04.000 And then if they have kids and they have a bunch of other, and then the option is get up at 6 a.m. 0.99

01:06:08.000 Like, no, fuck. 0.99

01:06:09.000 Well, that's the power of transmuting the energy. 1.00

01:06:12.000 So just flipping the energy on it, right?

01:06:13.000 To go from this is going to make me a worse mom to this can make me a better mom.

01:06:17.000 And maybe that will give them enough juice to actually go do the workout.

01:06:21.000 Maybe.

01:06:22.000 I mean, there's got to be something that you can do to trick yourself into having the energy to get started.

01:06:27.000 But that's kind of what it is.

01:06:28.000 It's like you have to trick yourself into getting started.

01:06:32.000 And then when you get to an elite athlete level like Brady, it's got to be about making sure the process is airtight, right?

01:06:43.000 It's got to be like really tuning it in, right?

01:06:46.000 Like making sure it's finely tuned.

01:06:49.000 Yeah.

01:06:50.000 Basically, fight week, I want his energy.

01:06:52.000 I want him to be matter of fact about everything.

01:06:54.000 Just matter of fact, just neutral, just sitting right here.

01:06:58.000 You know the feeling you have in your heart where you're just like present?

01:07:01.000 Just right there.

01:07:03.000 Right there.

01:07:04.000 But how do you get there?

01:07:05.000 Like, what's the way to get there?

01:07:06.000 So for him at that elite level, it's going down and it's clearing out anything that comes up during camp.

01:07:12.000 It might be, and this isn't actually Sean, but like I work with a lot of other fighters.

01:07:15.000 And for them, it would be, oh, I'm losing in some of my sparring sessions.

01:07:20.000 And so their confidence is actually going down because of that.

01:07:22.000 And so it's literally reprogramming that belief inside of them.

01:07:25.000 And this sounds woo-woo, but if you ever want to do a session, you'll actually be able to feel it with me.

01:07:29.000 And what Happens is we transmute the energy to make them feel that it's okay to believe that even when they're losing and sparring, they're getting better.

01:07:39.000 And so something just shifts inside of them.

01:07:41.000 Instead of it creating a seed of doubt, when they're like working on something, they're drilling something and they're not winning everything.

01:07:47.000 Now it's okay, I'm getting better.

01:07:48.000 And it's just a feeling that shifts in them.

01:07:51.000 Well, that is reality, right?

01:07:53.000 I mean, as long as they're not getting truly beat up, of course.

01:07:56.000 Sparring at a good place.

01:07:57.000 But that survival instinct or that goes, I should be winning everything, doesn't like that.

01:08:01.000 And so sometimes we have to rewire those things.

01:08:03.000 So that's what we're doing as we're going through camp: is like seeing what comes up, what's decreasing confidence, what are you dialed in everything?

01:08:10.000 You know, I'm working with the other coaches as well and making sure, are they doing what you want them to do?

01:08:14.000 And if they're not, what's going on here?

01:08:16.000 And that's kind of my job.

01:08:17.000 So it has to have, rather, it requires a very strong connection between you and the athlete.

01:08:28.000 Oh, deep.

01:08:29.000 I would say that nobody knows any of my clients better than them, except for maybe their wives.

01:08:36.000 Better than you know them.

01:08:38.000 Yeah.

01:08:39.000 It's an extreme intimacy because I talk about something in the book called The Core Wound.

01:08:44.000 So the worst thing that ever happened to you is the worst thing that ever happened to you.

01:08:47.000 But some people have, you know, they might have witnessed a murder or maybe they lost a parent when they were young, like something really bad.

01:08:53.000 Another person might have been bullied when they're in the fourth grade and kicked out of a friend group.

01:08:57.000 If we identify what that core wound is for them that fundamentally hurts their confidence to this day and we clear that out, we can exponentially increase just their confidence and their self-belief.

01:09:08.000 But the only way we get there is they're telling me their deepest, darkest secret.

01:09:11.000 Right, but how do you clear it out once you.

01:09:14.000 There's some of these techniques.

01:09:15.000 There's something called like hypnosis, right?

01:09:18.000 You can use it with hypnosis.

01:09:19.000 NLP, they're all these mind techniques that you can utilize to clear the energy, which clears the emotion.

01:09:26.000 So NLP, that is like that Anthony Robbins stuff, right?

01:09:29.000 Neuro-linguistic linguistic programming.

01:09:30.000 That's what he does, right?

01:09:32.000 I think it's part of what he does.

01:09:33.000 I don't know.

01:09:33.000 I've never worked with him.

01:09:35.000 And did you go to school to learn neuro-linguistic programming?

01:09:38.000 No, I just studied with someone who taught it to me.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 I just learned very well one-to-one.

01:09:42.000 Just like that's how I learned.

01:09:43.000 I'm not totally familiar with it.

01:09:44.000 How complicated is NLP?

01:09:48.000 Because I know some people like really believe it.

01:09:50.000 It's all perception, right?

01:09:52.000 What is it?

01:09:53.000 Explain what it means by saying neuro-linguistic programming.

01:09:56.000 What does that mean?

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 I don't even know what the, I don't know how to explain neuro-linguistic programming, but I will just tell you what it is fundamentally.

01:10:04.000 You're just playing with perception, right?

01:10:06.000 So someone has something that's easy for me to get rid of is like the fear of flying.

01:10:11.000 I had this baseball player this year I'm working with.

01:10:13.000 Every time he gets on a flight, he starts freaking out.

01:10:15.000 Unnecessary.

01:10:16.000 So what do we do?

01:10:17.000 We imagine him on the plane, and I have him sit, visualize being on the plane, and starting to get to that place of anxious where the thoughts, oh, the plane's going to crash.

01:10:26.000 He knows it's irrational, but why is he feeling this anyway?

01:10:28.000 We have to go into it.

01:10:29.000 Feel the emotion, feel the emotion.

01:10:30.000 Then I have him imagine, for example, a giant picture in his mind, in his mind's eye.

01:10:36.000 And this picture is holding him and all the anxiety and the worst case scenario happening.

01:10:40.000 And then we, boom, get rid of the color in the picture.

01:10:42.000 And then we imagine this picture becoming super tiny.

01:10:46.000 And then we imagine it just disappearing.

01:10:48.000 And then we put a new picture in there of him being able to fly, not crash, be able to do it all the time and be successful.

01:10:57.000 That's it?

01:10:58.000 That's it.

01:10:59.000 What if it was 9-11 and they flew right into the tower right after you gave him that advice? 0.99

01:11:03.000 Well, that sucks. 0.89

01:11:05.000 How would you feel? 0.99

01:11:06.000 Would that be it?

01:11:07.000 You'd be like, I quit.

01:11:08.000 I'm done.

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 I mean, they sound like very simple techniques, but it's something you have to experience.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, but it would seem to me that it would be very difficult to get people to actually change their beliefs that easily.

01:11:21.000 Like, the idea sounds solid, but the actual process of shifting how you view the world, depending upon the person, is like turning a battleship around.

01:11:32.000 Yeah, it is.

01:11:33.000 It's heavy.

01:11:33.000 I don't know.

01:11:34.000 I mean, this is the stuff that goes beyond the rational mind.

01:11:36.000 Like, if you were to experience it, you'd be like, okay, I get it.

01:11:39.000 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 But it's an emotional experience.

01:11:42.000 I mean, how do you, there's some things we can't explain, right?

01:11:45.000 Like, how do you explain going through the veil in a psychedelic experience?

01:11:49.000 It's something that you can't really explain when you come back on the other side.

01:11:54.000 It's that kind of thing where it's like, when you're in the experience, it's like, how is this supposed to be possible?

01:11:58.000 I explain the techniques irrationally, but like, what are you talking about?

01:12:01.000 Same thing if you have this immense psychedelic experience and you're passing through the veil and you're seeing all these things, having this experience of interconnectedness, and you try to come back and you tell someone who's never had a psychedelic experience.

01:12:12.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:12:13.000 Yeah, there's not enough words.

01:12:15.000 No.

01:12:16.000 No words work.

01:12:17.000 This stuff goes beyond language.

01:12:19.000 It's the same thing.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, you can say, like, I saw a beautiful rose, and I'm like, oh, cool.

01:12:22.000 I know what that looks like.

01:12:23.000 That's why it, yeah, exactly.

01:12:25.000 There's not enough words for a psychedelic experience.

01:12:27.000 So this worked.

01:12:28.000 That's why I like I put together the playbook.

01:12:29.000 So I give people actual things that they can do because I understand not everyone's going to work with me one-to-one and be able to experience this.

01:12:35.000 But people can do these simple exercises.

01:12:37.000 People can audit their life and they can see some of the patterns of thinking and just the awareness of seeing some of the patterns you're thinking.

01:12:44.000 If you study enough, you might be able to change it.

01:12:47.000 We've all had bad habits.

01:12:47.000 Right?

01:12:49.000 And sometimes it just gets to a point where, like, all right, I'm not doing that anymore.

01:12:53.000 So, this neuro-linguistic programming, do you specifically design this kind of thing?

01:12:59.000 So, what you do, that is one of the things you do.

01:13:01.000 Yeah.

01:13:02.000 Do you specifically design different ones for different people that you work with if you're going to work one-on-one with a client?

01:13:07.000 Honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do before I go to go into any session.

01:13:10.000 It's all I just feel it.

01:13:13.000 In the present moment, I mean, you could think of it like I have all these tools I can use, and then I feel into what their issue is, and then I do my best with the tools I have to fix their issue.

01:13:23.000 I'm just problem-solving at the moment.

01:13:26.000 Does it feel weird to do that as a career?

01:13:28.000 I mean, that sounds like a crazy job.

01:13:30.000 It feels like so much weight on your shoulders to try to help a person, like, especially try to help an elite athlete, like knowing what to say and how to get their mind tuned in right, and what to what to introduce, and whether or not this technique is effective.

01:13:46.000 Am I doing this right?

01:13:47.000 I just don't think I surrender to something bigger than myself.

01:13:50.000 That's what I have to do: just allow how did you know that you could do it, though?

01:13:54.000 Like, how did you know that this was going to be like really effective, especially on someone like a fighter, where it's like, this is a really complicated gig?

01:14:01.000 Like, you really, you want to talk about a sport where you have to have your mind right?

01:14:05.000 Like, there's no sport like fighting because any mistake you make, you're going to get headkicked.

01:14:10.000 Yeah, well, I lose too sometimes, right?

01:14:13.000 So, like, Wideman, I helped him come back his first fight back from after he broke his leg.

01:14:18.000 And he said that's the best he's ever felt in his career going into a fight.

01:14:22.000 He still lost a fight.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, there's a physical factor there, too.

01:14:27.000 Um, that whether or not a guy like Wideman never wants to admit because he's so tough, because he has this incredible belief in himself.

01:14:33.000 But a catastrophic break of a bone like that when you're in your late 30s, that is hard to come back from, man.

01:14:40.000 That's not simple.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, it takes a long time.

01:14:44.000 And, you know, he came back, you know, he eventually reached a higher level than his first fight back, but he doesn't, you know, necessarily look like Chris Wideman when he beat Anderson Silva or Chris Watson.

01:14:58.000 So 39 now?

01:14:59.000 Yeah.

01:15:00.000 Unfortunately.

01:15:00.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 And these guys, it's like, if you're natural and he's natural, they get to a certain point where the body just can't keep up with the brain.

01:15:08.000 Like the brain is so strong and they're so tough, but their body is not a 24-year-old's body anymore.

01:15:14.000 It doesn't move right anymore.

01:15:15.000 And this accumulation of injuries, regardless of your belief system, it's just your foot doesn't work anymore, bro.

01:15:22.000 I mean, that was me understanding like when I was 18 years old, I'm like, I'm not that good at football.

01:15:27.000 Like, I don't have the physical gifts.

01:15:28.000 Like, I'm just not that athletic.

01:15:29.000 I'm not going to run that fast.

01:15:31.000 And when, so, this is how I discovered it, right?

01:15:33.000 I started to learn these techniques.

01:15:35.000 Like, I can do things like get rid of someone's headache very easily with some of these techniques.

01:15:38.000 So, like, I have a teammate had a terrible headache and be like, all right, let's do some of these hypnosis relaxation techniques.

01:15:44.000 He's like, my headache's gone.

01:15:45.000 I'm like, I'm way better than this than I was at football.

01:15:48.000 And that was a spark within me that made me.

01:15:50.000 See me, I would take him to the hospital.

01:15:51.000 I'm like, bro, you might be having a stroke.

01:15:52.000 Let's get you to the hospital. 0.96

01:15:54.000 It's just a headache.

01:15:55.000 Come on.

01:15:56.000 When a guy who's a tough guy complains about a headache, I always get concerned.

01:16:00.000 He wasn't that tough.

01:16:02.000 He's a football player.

01:16:03.000 He's got to be tough.

01:16:04.000 Bro, you want to see tough?

01:16:05.000 Look at LeBron James's feet.

01:16:07.000 I was looking at LeBron James' feet today online.

01:16:09.000 Have you seen him, Jamie?

01:16:10.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:16:12.000 Bro, how does that guy play elite basketball with those fucked up feet? 0.99

01:16:18.000 Like, his feet are so broken because of all the years of exploding and twisting and turning. 0.99

01:16:24.000 And he's been playing professionally for how long?

01:16:27.000 20 years?

01:16:28.000 21, I think.

01:16:29.000 That's Bananas.

01:16:31.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

01:16:32.000 Think about the amount of explosions he's forced his feet to perform.

01:16:36.000 Imagine moving back and forth and you weigh 250 pounds.

01:16:40.000 Like, that's nuts.

01:16:41.000 That's so much force.

01:16:43.000 He's not the same species as us. 0.86

01:16:44.000 He's something else.

01:16:45.000 Discipline, bro.

01:16:46.000 But look at those toes. 0.96

01:16:47.000 That is bananas.

01:16:49.000 That's bananas.

01:16:51.000 Like, his toes just take like sharp turns.

01:16:56.000 That may or may not be accurate.

01:16:57.000 They might not be, right?

01:16:58.000 That other one looks better.

01:16:59.000 Yeah.

01:17:00.000 Let me see that.

01:17:01.000 That looks a little better.

01:17:02.000 It's a little over it, but yeah, it's a little over it.

01:17:05.000 But he might be getting it.

01:17:06.000 Maybe he did that on purpose. 0.97

01:17:07.000 Maybe he did that for the picture just to be silly.

01:17:10.000 This is the first viral a while ago.

01:17:11.000 It was on the beach.

01:17:12.000 Yeah, that's pretty obvious.

01:17:14.000 So his big toe goes under the next toe.

01:17:17.000 It's that twisted in.

01:17:18.000 That's obvious.

01:17:19.000 It also doesn't look the same foot as that foot.

01:17:21.000 You know, Brian Simpson was having a problem with that too because he's got wide feet.

01:17:24.000 And I told him about yoga toes.

01:17:26.000 That stuff works, man.

01:17:28.000 You ever use those?

01:17:29.000 They stretch your feet out.

01:17:30.000 You put your toes in there and they stretch.

01:17:32.000 It's like a little rubber stopper in between each little toesy.

01:17:36.000 I need some of that.

01:17:36.000 And it stretches your foot out and makes it, you know, feel better.

01:17:39.000 It relieves the pressure that you're getting with narrow-toed shoes where it's squishing it in the front, fucking your feet up. 0.97

01:17:47.000 But to be that tough, to play basketball with that kind of a foot for 20 plus years, that's nuts. 0.96

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:54.000 It's taking a lot of to be God with no knees.

01:17:58.000 Nuts.

01:18:00.000 Nuts.

01:18:01.000 That's what inspiration does, though.

01:18:02.000 You know, I think these guys just want it.

01:18:04.000 They want it.

01:18:05.000 They want to keep going.

01:18:06.000 They want to keep pushing it.

01:18:07.000 They want to see what's possible.

01:18:08.000 Yeah, I was watching a fight today.

01:18:10.000 One of my little chat groups that I have with Dean Thomas and Matt Sarah and John Rollo.

01:18:15.000 A guy was fighting in a box.

01:18:18.000 It looks like a boxing match, and he has one leg. 0.98

01:18:21.000 So he's hopping around with one leg trying to fuck this guy up. 0.57

01:18:24.000 So if you ever think, like, maybe, here, let me find this. 0.96

01:18:29.000 You ever think, like, maybe life has been too hard on me.

01:18:34.000 Maybe the barriers in front of me are insurmountable. 0.99

01:18:38.000 Try fucking doing what this guy's doing. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Because this is really kind of crazy. 0.99

01:18:43.000 And I don't understand what they're doing because they're barefoot, but they're not kicking.

01:18:51.000 And I guess the guy can't kick because he only has one leg.

01:18:53.000 Maybe they agreed, no kicking.

01:18:55.000 But like, why put a shoe on?

01:18:57.000 Yeah.

01:18:57.000 You know, I don't understand why.

01:18:59.000 You guys aren't going to kick.

01:19:00.000 It's better for your grip.

01:19:00.000 Why don't you have shoes on?

01:19:02.000 But this guy's hopping around.

01:19:03.000 Did you get it, Jamie?

01:19:05.000 This guy's hopping around, throwing punches with literally one leg.

01:19:08.000 Look at this.

01:19:09.000 Oh.

01:19:10.000 How nuts is that?

01:19:12.000 One thing you do have to think: it sucks that he only has one leg, but I bet he weighs about 40 pounds lighter that way.

01:19:19.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:19:19.000 So he's probably got some strong ass arms. 0.98

01:19:22.000 But you can only generate so much force with one leg. 0.85

01:19:25.000 I can't even balance on one leg.

01:19:26.000 I know.

01:19:27.000 His balance is insane, man.

01:19:28.000 And his movement's really good, too.

01:19:30.000 Like, there's people that have two legs that don't move that good.

01:19:32.000 It's nuts. 0.96

01:19:35.000 The other dude's like, I wish I could leg kick you. 0.98

01:19:39.000 Like, that's so not fair. 0.84

01:19:40.000 You can guarantee that dude can't kick you back.

01:19:44.000 So explosive.

01:19:45.000 But it's just pretty nutty that, you know, he's still willing to fight.

01:19:49.000 And he's hitting this guy.

01:19:52.000 The human will.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:54.000 It's incredible.

01:19:54.000 It is incredible.

01:19:55.000 The human mind can do very strange things if you let it keep going down a path and keep getting better and better.

01:20:02.000 Yes.

01:20:03.000 You know, you can get to a very strange place that, you know, a lot of people don't want to believe exists.

01:20:08.000 Yeah.

01:20:09.000 You have to keep expanding the possibilities, right?

01:20:11.000 Exposing yourself to new things.

01:20:13.000 I think that's why, like, people in my field traditionally, like, they're not doing psychedelics.

01:20:19.000 Like, it's not really a thing that people do.

01:20:23.000 Why do you think that is?

01:20:25.000 I would think that anybody that's really exploring how the line works.

01:20:28.000 I'd say maybe more sports psychology, stuff like that, because they're more clinical.

01:20:31.000 They're more clinical people.

01:20:32.000 You know, they're doctors.

01:20:34.000 Their people are much more clinical and methodical about things.

01:20:36.000 But for me, like my full ego death through the bufo toad was fundamentally the most important part of me learning to do what I do.

01:20:47.000 Because in that experience, it created enough space between me and all my beliefs.

01:20:52.000 You know, it's that like that neuroplasticity that gets created in those moments afterwards where you can actually kind of see things.

01:20:57.000 You can kind of see the force from the trees.

01:21:00.000 If you never have the experience, then like this is something people talk about all the time, right?

01:21:04.000 Is the whole thing the ego is the enemy.

01:21:06.000 It's like, well, it depends what you're considering the ego because you can't get rid of the ego.

01:21:11.000 If the ego dies, then you're just in the oneness, right?

01:21:15.000 So you need the ego, but you have to build it up.

01:21:17.000 And I think for fighters, especially, like, they need massive egos, but they need healthy egos, egos that are programmed to succeed.

01:21:24.000 Yeah, no ego is not attainable.

01:21:27.000 If you're a human being, you're going to have an ego.

01:21:29.000 You just have to figure out how to manage it and don't let it burn your house down.

01:21:33.000 You know, it's like that custom auto quote about fear.

01:21:37.000 Fear is like fire.

01:21:38.000 You can cook your food with it or if it gets out of control, it'll burn your house down.

01:21:41.000 Yeah.

01:21:41.000 I think that's the case with many, many things, including psychedelics, by the way.

01:21:47.000 I think there's a lot of people that burn their house down.

01:21:49.000 I think there's a lot of people that go really far and they lose their grip on reality and reality gets real slippery and they sort of try to redefine reality to fit their own narrative and they seem schizophrenic.

01:22:02.000 I've seen that from multiple people that have taken too many psychedelics.

01:22:05.000 They're just abusing it.

01:22:06.000 You got to use like a tool.

01:22:08.000 Well, yeah.

01:22:10.000 But it's also everybody has their own specific way that they interact with the world.

01:22:21.000 And if you're taking psychedelics to justify your specific way of interacting with the world, and then you start indoctrinating other people to your specific way of running the world.

01:22:34.000 You try to have a branch off civilization.

01:22:37.000 That's like this thing that happens to guys in particular.

01:22:40.000 You don't see a lot of female guru psychedelic ladies, you know, or they're more like mother figures, but not like gurus. 1.00

01:22:48.000 The gurus are all dudes. 1.00

01:22:49.000 And it almost always comes down to pussy. 1.00

01:22:54.000 Almost always. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Or dick, depending on what you're into. 0.97

01:22:59.000 Because the guy out here in Texas, in Austin, was there was a there's a building that Ron White loved called the One World Theater that we were actually in contract under contract for before I wound up buying the mothership. 0.99

01:23:13.000 And that place was run by a cult. 0.89

01:23:15.000 And this guy was a gay guy. 1.00

01:23:17.000 He was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. 1.00

01:23:20.000 There you go. 1.00

01:23:21.000 That's a deadly combo right there.

01:23:22.000 He was teaching yoga to folks in West Hollywood and slowly but surely formed a cult.

01:23:28.000 And then after Waco, remember the Waco thing went down, everybody panicked and the cult awareness network apparently was like looking for him and looking into him because like a lot of the family was like, we lost my son.

01:23:40.000 So then he decided to change his name and then he moved to Austin and he had his followers build him a theater so he could dance in front of them.

01:23:40.000 He went to that.

01:23:49.000 And that's here.

01:23:51.000 And it was, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell.

01:23:55.000 But this guy, this is what's crazy. 1.00

01:23:59.000 The people that hated him at the end of the documentary, the people that said he was a giant scammer and he was a piece of shit and they wished they had never met him. 0.99

01:24:07.000 They all said they had gone through this thing called the knowing. 1.00

01:24:11.000 And the knowing was like he would withhold it from them.

01:24:14.000 And a lot of them are like really upset.

01:24:16.000 They weren't getting the knowing.

01:24:18.000 And it was this thing that he would do where he'd make them, I think they were on their knees and he would touch their face and tell them that it was going to happen.

01:24:25.000 And they would all say the same thing.

01:24:28.000 They would all say afterwards it was one of the most beautiful, the most beautiful experience of their life that they felt a complete total connection with God and it changed their worldview and their perception forever.

01:24:38.000 Like it's available in your mind if you believe, if you truly believe.

01:24:44.000 And they truly believe that this guy was like a legitimate mystic, that he was a legitimate guru. 0.99

01:24:50.000 And because they believed that, even though this guy's a gay porn star and a hypnotist and a fucking psychopath, because they believed that when he put his hands on them, they felt it. 0.99

01:25:00.000 So what a complicated relationship. 1.00

01:25:03.000 You have this guy who one of the guys left the cult and he's like, hey, man, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for 10 years. 0.95

01:25:12.000 And then everybody was like, me too. 0.96

01:25:13.000 It got crazy.

01:25:14.000 And then they all wound up leaving.

01:25:16.000 But he also did this thing for them where he connected them to God.

01:25:21.000 Yes.

01:25:22.000 Which is really nuts, man. 1.00

01:25:23.000 Because you would think, fuck that guy. 1.00

01:25:25.000 That guy sucked. 1.00

01:25:26.000 I can't believe it. 0.99

01:25:27.000 But they're all like, but there was this one day.

01:25:30.000 And this one, it was almost like a part of the little cosmic joke of life.

01:25:36.000 Yes, it is a cosmic joke. 1.00

01:25:38.000 This fucking weirdo possesses the ability to literally connect you with God, but he behaves like a demon. 1.00

01:25:46.000 He's just butt-fucking dudes and just taking all their money and it's just madness. 1.00

01:25:51.000 But what he's able to do when he touches you is real. 0.99

01:25:56.000 What a cosmic joke.

01:25:57.000 If that's true, you know, there's all those like Indian gurus, right? 0.71

01:26:00.000 Where like people tell the stories of like all they have to do is like gaze on me or touch me.

01:26:04.000 I've never experienced any of this.

01:26:05.000 And then you just feel like you've had experience with God.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, I believe it.

01:26:11.000 I believe if you believe it.

01:26:12.000 That's what I think.

01:26:13.000 I think there are guys that are living a very different life.

01:26:16.000 Just like, you know, we're talking about like someone who could get to this David Goggins level of discipline and physical will.

01:26:22.000 I think there's guys like that with meditation.

01:26:25.000 And I think there's guys who get so far out there.

01:26:28.000 And if you recognize that they're so far out there, I bet you sync up with the way they're seeing the world.

01:26:34.000 You let them think for you and you believe in them.

01:26:37.000 And then they do something to you.

01:26:38.000 They put their hands on you or whatever they do.

01:26:41.000 You believe it's going to happen and then your mind allows it to happen.

01:26:45.000 I think we have access to a bunch of different states of consciousness.

01:26:50.000 We just don't know the tools to access it.

01:26:53.000 We don't know the code to crack to open them.

01:26:56.000 And for some people, it's a near-death experience, which is like seems to be a chemical reaction.

01:27:01.000 It's like an undeniable reaction that people have when they come back from the dead.

01:27:06.000 For other people, it's not.

01:27:08.000 For other people, like sometimes it's some sort of a life-changing revelation.

01:27:12.000 For some people, it's like it's falling in love or having a child or there's something that happens that like rewires the way they see the world.

01:27:22.000 And whatever those states are that are inside of us, I can't imagine why there's not courses at major universities studying how to access this stuff, studying how to achieve endogenous states of psychedelic experiences.

01:27:44.000 Like James Nestor's book, when he talks about holotropic breathing and all these different things.

01:27:48.000 Do you ever do that?

01:27:48.000 Any of the whole time?

01:27:49.000 I've done a bunch of it.

01:27:50.000 I've had like legit trips from breathing.

01:27:50.000 Yeah.

01:27:53.000 Yeah.

01:27:53.000 I guide some guys, some of my clients, like they leave their body.

01:27:56.000 You know, they have experiences like leaving their body.

01:27:59.000 It feels very weird.

01:28:00.000 You can get it, especially when you do it.

01:28:02.000 I like to do breathing exercises in a tank.

01:28:06.000 In a flow tank?

01:28:07.000 You do it in a flow tank.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:09.000 Because the flow tank itself is a psychedelic experience.

01:28:09.000 Whoa.

01:28:13.000 Totally natural.

01:28:14.000 It's the best one because there's no side effects and you can just open the door and it's over.

01:28:19.000 Anytime you're freaking out, like, ah, I can't take it.

01:28:21.000 Open the door.

01:28:21.000 Yeah.

01:28:22.000 And then next time stay in a little longer and then settle in.

01:28:26.000 But doing breathing exercises in there, I mean, you might as well be taking mushrooms.

01:28:30.000 You can get some bizarre experiences doing that.

01:28:33.000 Yeah.

01:28:33.000 So we talked about like, how do we get people on this path?

01:28:36.000 I think it's these types of experiences that like open a doorway.

01:28:39.000 It's like a hard reset.

01:28:41.000 I think actually for most people, they should not do psychedelics.

01:28:44.000 Most people?

01:28:45.000 People who are like in a really dark state.

01:28:47.000 You think most people are in a dark state?

01:28:48.000 No, no, no.

01:28:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:28:49.000 Most people who are in a very dark state, they're struggling with really bad depression.

01:28:52.000 I don't think they should go right to psychedelics.

01:28:54.000 I think there's steps before that.

01:28:55.000 I think they can do phylotropic breathing, flow tanks.

01:28:58.000 There's different.

01:28:59.000 Just get healthy first, too.

01:29:01.000 You know, take some steps.

01:29:02.000 But like, there's things that you can.

01:29:04.000 You know, one of the things that's a really good thing to tell people to do?

01:29:07.000 Find a fun physical hobby, something you can get good at. 0.98

01:29:10.000 Whatever it is, whether it's fucking pickleball or whatever it is. 0.70

01:29:14.000 Find a fun physical hobby that forces you to do a little bit of activity. 0.97

01:29:18.000 You know, it doesn't have to be super strenuous, but something that you actually like doing.

01:29:22.000 Social even better.

01:29:23.000 You get moving.

01:29:24.000 You get moving.

01:29:25.000 And then there's also the thing about getting good at something that for whatever reason, like really helps people.

01:29:31.000 Like if you really focus on getting good at something, that thing becomes the puzzle.

01:29:36.000 Instead of just like dealing with all the anxiety of life, then that becomes your focus.

01:29:40.000 Your focus becomes getting good at this thing.

01:29:41.000 Humans need something to pour their energy into.

01:29:44.000 100%.

01:29:44.000 And if you don't have that, you feel lost.

01:29:46.000 And that's a lot of people in this world.

01:29:48.000 And that's the problem with just having a regular job, which also saps you of your energy.

01:29:54.000 Absolutely.

01:29:54.000 You know?

01:29:55.000 It could be something very simple, but just find something that you just want to move on A path.

01:30:00.000 Just get on a path.

01:30:02.000 And that just incremental progress feels good.

01:30:05.000 And the best thing is physical.

01:30:07.000 Anything that you can do, that's why jiu-jitsu is so awesome.

01:30:10.000 Because you could find that you find the physical struggle, but also this incredible mental puzzle that you're figuring out every day.

01:30:17.000 And then also you're dealing with all these anxieties and emotions and these weird feelings. 0.99

01:30:22.000 Like, fuck, I don't want to roll with him. 0.99

01:30:24.000 He's going to get me. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Oh, God damn it. 1.00

01:30:25.000 And you're rolling with people, then you got to learn how to relax. 1.00

01:30:28.000 You got to learn.

01:30:28.000 And they're like, oh, my God, he didn't tap me this session.

01:30:31.000 Like, maybe you got dominated, but at least you didn't tap.

01:30:34.000 And then next time, maybe you reverse someone.

01:30:37.000 Maybe you sweep someone that you never swept before.

01:30:40.000 And you're just like, oh my God, I'm getting better at this.

01:30:42.000 And you've got this puzzle.

01:30:44.000 And then you've also got this extreme physical activity where the rest of the day seems so easy.

01:30:50.000 It seems so like so relaxing. 0.98

01:30:53.000 No matter what happens, you're so calm because you've been getting your fucking legs yanked on and your neck yanked on and fucking taken down and side control crushed and getting arm triangled. 0.99

01:31:05.000 And this is easy. 0.99

01:31:06.000 Like no matter what you experience outside of that, your bar for what sucks is like your thing you do the most that sucks so hard is what you love. 0.85

01:31:16.000 Which is nuts.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 So it cures you in a lot of ways.

01:31:19.000 And it's, I think it's the remedy for young men. 0.61

01:31:22.000 There's a lot of men that just and it's filled with nerds. 1.00

01:31:26.000 You need to know that too.

01:31:28.000 Like that it's not meatheads.

01:31:30.000 You think it's meatheads.

01:31:31.000 It's mostly not.

01:31:32.000 Mostly it's like really intelligent people that excel at this physical puzzle.

01:31:37.000 And then through that thing, they develop all this confidence and become like much cooler people, much more interesting to hang out with.

01:31:44.000 Like all my friends that are like black belts in jiu-jitsu, they're all interesting.

01:31:48.000 They're all cool to talk to.

01:31:49.000 Like if I can talk to a guy and they tell me they're a black belt in jiu-jitsu, I'm like, oh, okay.

01:31:54.000 You've gone through the whole thing. 0.99

01:31:55.000 Like you've gone through some shit. 0.99

01:31:56.000 Like, okay, I guarantee you, you and I can find common ground. 0.99

01:32:00.000 Like, we could talk.

01:32:01.000 It's like there's things that are out there that are available to you that are a vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:32:01.000 Yeah.

01:32:08.000 That's what I was taught when I was a kid and I was learning Taekwondo.

01:32:12.000 That's how they described it.

01:32:13.000 I never forgot that.

01:32:14.000 A vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:32:17.000 And I was like, that's perfect.

01:32:19.000 Because I think you don't just do it from thinking about stuff and thinking different.

01:32:24.000 I think you need physical stuff that you do.

01:32:27.000 And the best physical stuff is scary stuff.

01:32:30.000 Yeah.

01:32:30.000 Right of passage.

01:32:32.000 We don't have many rites of passages.

01:32:34.000 And doing any type of martial arts and having to compete is like, oh, this is scary.

01:32:38.000 This building is building is building.

01:32:39.000 What's going to happen?

01:32:40.000 And you kind of have to face that fear of death in a way.

01:32:43.000 It's like, you know, you're not going to die, but in a way, it feels like it when you're going into competition.

01:32:47.000 It's like, this person is going to try to hurt me.

01:32:49.000 And to come through that and get to the other side, there's something that changes in your nervous system.

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:54.000 For sure.

01:32:55.000 You've actually experienced something that very few people ever experience.

01:32:59.000 And it's very different than a street fight because you're agreeing to it and you're training for it.

01:33:05.000 You've got this other person who's like training. 0.99

01:33:06.000 You know, they're scary as shit and they're on the other side of the cage. 0.99

01:33:09.000 And then you step in and the two of you are about to go to war. 0.99

01:33:12.000 It's the nuttiest job in the history of the world.

01:33:15.000 It really is.

01:33:15.000 Other than war and being a firefighter or a cop, it is the nuttiest job in the history of the world.

01:33:21.000 You're agreeing to throw bones at each other in front of the world, millions of people.

01:33:26.000 People love it.

01:33:27.000 And today they just announced the UFC just signed some crazy deal with Paramount Post.

01:33:31.000 Oh, I saw that.

01:33:32.000 There's going to be no more pay-per-views.

01:33:34.000 All the events are going to be available for everybody for free.

01:33:39.000 Every pay-per-view, every fight card that they have from the Apex, which are my favorite.

01:33:45.000 Everything is going to be available for free.

01:33:47.000 It's an amazing deal.

01:33:48.000 I think it's going to explode the sport even though.

01:33:49.000 Oh, my God.

01:33:50.000 Through the roof.

01:33:51.000 And it's a super smart move for Paramount.

01:33:54.000 What a great move to not just have the UFC for seven years, but have it for free.

01:34:00.000 Like, I don't think Paramount costs, but what?

01:34:02.000 How much does it cost a month?

01:34:05.000 Just like eight or ten bucks, I think.

01:34:06.000 $10.

01:34:07.000 So if it's 10, let's say it's 10 bucks.

01:34:10.000 That's crazy.

01:34:11.000 That's $120 a year.

01:34:13.000 You could watch every UFC pay-per-view.

01:34:15.000 Two UFC pay-per-views, like $140, right?

01:34:18.000 Isn't it?

01:34:18.000 Aren't they like $70?

01:34:20.000 So you get all of them.

01:34:22.000 Everything's free.

01:34:23.000 That's incredible. 0.99

01:34:24.000 This board is going to go fucking hypernobile. 0.98

01:34:26.000 Because the average person only knows about the stars. 0.99

01:34:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:29.000 But they're kind of detached because they're only watching highlights.

01:34:31.000 Now they get to actually watch about the stars.

01:34:34.000 They're going to be so much more bought into the sport.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:36.000 It's going to be nuts.

01:34:37.000 And it's such a smart move for Paramount because you have a built-in audience that's immediately going to jump over there.

01:34:43.000 Because everybody, you have to renew your ESPN subscription anyway.

01:34:47.000 You know?

01:34:48.000 Like, you have to renew it.

01:34:50.000 So just buy a Paramount subscription.

01:34:53.000 By the way, ESPN has everything too.

01:34:55.000 It's great.

01:34:56.000 I kind of bummed out, and I hope they don't lose the relationship that they had with ESPN with all their MMA shows. 0.99

01:35:01.000 I hope they don't go like, fuck them, they went to Paramount. 0.98

01:35:04.000 I hope it's like a mutually beneficial thing. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Like the UFC at least does some content still on ESPN because I think that's also a big factor in pulling people from like casual viewers that watch other sports that might occasionally watch a UFC fight and then they see like Dustin Poirier versus Max Holloway and they're like, holy shit.

01:35:23.000 And then they're hooked, right? 0.99

01:35:24.000 It's like having that coverage on Sports Center, that shit's huge. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Having those post-fight shows on ESPN Plus, that shit is huge. 1.00

01:35:35.000 For the real dorks like me, that's huge. 0.98

01:35:38.000 Yeah, I think even for like the average person that cares more about storytelling, you know?

01:35:41.000 It's like maybe the wives are like, this is interesting to hear about the drama of their life a little bit and the hero's journey.

01:35:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:35:47.000 Yeah, well, it's unbelievably compelling when you watch two world-class fighters fight in a world championship fight.

01:35:56.000 Unbelievably compelling.

01:35:58.000 Like when you watch Sugar Sean O'Malley try to get the title back from Rob.

01:36:03.000 That was so compelling.

01:36:04.000 Sugar Sean changes his whole life.

01:36:06.000 Did you talk with him at all?

01:36:08.000 I'm very curious.

01:36:08.000 I haven't.

01:36:09.000 I would love to talk with him because I know he cut out weed, right? 0.98

01:36:12.000 Cut out weed, stop jerking off, I believe, and abandon all social media. 0.99

01:36:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:17.000 Which is very fascinating. 0.99

01:36:18.000 I might be wrong about the jerking off. 0.97

01:36:20.000 I think I might have added that in there. 1.00

01:36:23.000 But he recognized that this guy's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:36:26.000 He's a completely different thing. 0.99

01:36:28.000 Like Murab is like a David Goggins in that respect, that he's so far down the path of pushing himself that it's almost like you're never going to catch him in that game.

01:36:41.000 You know, like six months of not jerking off and staying off TikTok, I don't think that's even close to enough.

01:36:51.000 I think what he's been doing has been really insane for a long time. 0.98

01:36:57.000 Everybody that I talk to that's trained with that guy say he's fucking superhuman with his cardio. 0.96

01:37:02.000 And his work ethic is through the roof, man. 0.92

01:37:05.000 When DC went to see him the day after he won the title, he was out running.

01:37:09.000 DC went to his house.

01:37:11.000 Sicko.

01:37:11.000 And he's filmed.

01:37:12.000 DC's filming his garage that his garage gym set up. 1.00

01:37:15.000 He's like, this motherfucker is out running. 0.98

01:37:17.000 He's out running the day after winning the world title in a spectacular five-round performance where he shows superhuman cardio, like superhuman pressure. 0.99

01:37:29.000 There's a few guys like that.

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 It's fascinating to look at just that level, the elite, elite, elite, elite level, and to see the commonalities between them.

01:37:40.000 For me, as someone who loves studying the mind, and it's like, what is different about these guys?

01:37:44.000 And then is there anything you could do to catch up or are they just built different?

01:37:48.000 Are they just wired in a way?

01:37:49.000 Did you see the Anthony Hernandez Roman Delitze fight this weekend?

01:37:53.000 No.

01:37:53.000 Bro.

01:37:54.000 You got to see that fight.

01:37:55.000 You have to see that fight. 1.00

01:37:57.000 Anthony Hernandez is a fucking problem. 1.00

01:38:00.000 He's a fucking real problem. 1.00

01:38:03.000 He doesn't get tired, man. 1.00

01:38:05.000 He pushes an insane pace and he doesn't get tired.

01:38:08.000 He melts dudes.

01:38:10.000 He just melts them.

01:38:11.000 You know, he does stuff where you just go like, what?

01:38:14.000 How are you pushing this kind of pace?

01:38:17.000 It's like a middleweight version.

01:38:18.000 Someone said it in the comments, too, that Murab was in Roman's corner because they're both from Georgia.

01:38:23.000 And he's like, Murab is in the corner while Roman fights the middleweight version of Murab because it really was like that.

01:38:29.000 Fluffy Hernandez is wild, dude.

01:38:33.000 It's like whatever he's doing in his training or whether he just has a like some people like Cain Velasquez had a natural cardio gift.

01:38:41.000 I don't know what it is, but it's insane.

01:38:43.000 He submitted Rodolfo Vieira multiple times World Jiu-Jitsu Jim, just exhausted the fuck out of him and guillotined him, which is just nuts to watch that guy tap.

01:38:53.000 Do you know who he is?

01:38:55.000 I know boxing way more than UFC.

01:38:55.000 No.

01:38:57.000 Vieira is built like a superhero.

01:38:59.000 Like he doesn't even look like a real human.

01:39:01.000 He looks like a cartoonish CGI version of what an elite MMA athlete looks like, just chiseled.

01:39:09.000 And Fluffy doesn't look like that, covered in tattoos, you know, looks athletic, you know, looks tough, but Rodolfo Vieira is a that's him.

01:39:18.000 Bo, yeah, Ba Row. 0.92

01:39:21.000 I mean, you know, those photos of like what your girlfriend tells you not to worry about, damn what that one where he's got his sleeves down by his elbows in the lower, yeah, that one right there, bro. 0.80

01:39:33.000 Yeah, what are you talking about? 0.93

01:39:35.000 And I don't think Fluffy was even a black belt. 0.87

01:39:38.000 I think Fluffy was a brown belt at the time.

01:39:41.000 I want to be correct about that.

01:39:42.000 He's a black belt now, right? 0.68

01:39:45.000 Anthony Hernandez, MMA.

01:39:47.000 I think he's a black belt.

01:39:49.000 But to submit that guy was just one of the cra like if you had a if you had a bet in Vegas, you know, like if you were on draft sport, DraftKings Sportsbook and you bet Fluffy Hernandez to submit Rodolfo Vieira.

01:40:05.000 Like 25 to 1 odds.

01:40:07.000 Brown belt.

01:40:08.000 He's still a brown belt.

01:40:10.000 He's still a brown belt in jiu-jitsu.

01:40:12.000 He submitted a multiple-time world champion just by melting him.

01:40:16.000 Just melting him. 0.99

01:40:18.000 I'd love for you to talk to that guy, find out what the fuck he's made out of. 1.00

01:40:21.000 I'd love to. 1.00

01:40:22.000 Hit me up, bro.

01:40:23.000 He's different, man.

01:40:24.000 There's certain dudes that are just different.

01:40:26.000 You know, like what Goggins likes to call uncommon amongst uncommon men.

01:40:31.000 That dude's uncommon.

01:40:32.000 If I was a middleweight, I'd be like closely watching that guy.

01:40:35.000 Like, Jesus Christ.

01:40:37.000 Because he's also like every fight, he keeps getting better.

01:40:40.000 And it's just a storm that starts from the first minute of the first round and never stops.

01:40:46.000 You never get to break.

01:40:47.000 There's no breaths.

01:40:48.000 He's constantly on you.

01:40:49.000 He takes a great shot.

01:40:51.000 52 takedowns, eight fight win streaks, six finishes.

01:40:55.000 Bro.

01:40:57.000 That guy. 0.99

01:40:59.000 There's guys that just emerge from groups of like super talented contenders where you just go, holy shit. 0.99

01:41:06.000 And that's one of them. 0.97

01:41:07.000 That's awesome.

01:41:08.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 I've been looking out for him.

01:41:09.000 I got to go back and watch the fight.

01:41:11.000 So for a guy like you that's like a mental coach, I always like wonder, I'd like to you to like talk to that guy and maybe you can pass some of that on to everybody else.

01:41:19.000 Like, what is he doing?

01:41:21.000 How is he, is he just training harder than everybody else?

01:41:21.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 Is he just is it his mindset? 1.00

01:41:26.000 Is he just a dog and just does not give a fuck? 1.00

01:41:30.000 Because it seems like there's a lot of that there too. 1.00

01:41:32.000 He's just mentally super strong and super aggressive.

01:41:36.000 That's what I love to do.

01:41:37.000 I give these guys these prompts and I just audit and I pull out all their beliefs.

01:41:41.000 And it's super interesting to hear what beliefs create an elite performer and just hearing all the ones that are making them successful and all the ones that are causing them problems.

01:41:52.000 Want to hear what's really crazy?

01:41:53.000 Dude smokes a ton of weed.

01:41:56.000 Ton of weed.

01:41:57.000 Like Sugar Sean Mali's like, I'm going to quit the weed. 1.00

01:42:00.000 This dude's like, give me all your weed.

01:42:03.000 When I was doing a lot of boxing, I was smoking a ton of weed.

01:42:06.000 I was smoking weed every single day and I don't anymore.

01:42:08.000 But at the time, I was like, you know, I had to get surgery on my nose because I had busted up so many times.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, I got that surgery.

01:42:14.000 Yeah.

01:42:15.000 Oh my God, isn't it nice when you get it done though?

01:42:19.000 I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five.

01:42:21.000 So I've never had a good nose. 0.99

01:42:22.000 My nose has been fucked since I was a little kid. 0.96

01:42:25.000 So I never could breathe out of my nose. 0.99

01:42:27.000 And then years of getting punched and kicked and getting head-butted and grasping glasses.

01:42:31.000 I had it, I was going to the doctor because I was still sparring during COVID and I was going to the doctor and they were just telling me, oh, I think you have COVID.

01:42:39.000 That's what they told me.

01:42:40.000 They're like, oh, I think you just have stuffiness.

01:42:42.000 We're going to have you tested from COVID like two different times.

01:42:44.000 And eventually I just got x-rays and they're like, oh, your nose is destroyed.

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 What happens like an ear, right?

01:42:50.000 You know how ears get cauliflower?

01:42:52.000 You get that same kind of buildup of calcium deposits inside your nose.

01:42:56.000 They post it off.

01:42:57.000 They have to carve it out.

01:42:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:59.000 Ever see what it looks like when they get the chunks and they lay it out for you after they take it out?

01:43:03.000 They took a piece from my ear.

01:43:04.000 They took the ear cartilage.

01:43:05.000 To rebuild your nose.

01:43:06.000 The funniest thing is, so I spent a lot of time in Columbia and I went down there for the surgery.

01:43:12.000 You went to Columbia for ear to nose surgery?

01:43:15.000 Oh, I do everything.

01:43:16.000 All my stuff in Clinton.

01:43:17.000 I got LASIK eye surgeon in Columbia.

01:43:18.000 Jesus, bro.

01:43:19.000 They invented it in Bogota, Columbia.

01:43:21.000 Did they really? 1.00

01:43:22.000 No shit. 1.00

01:43:22.000 They did. 1.00

01:43:23.000 Medical stuff is amazing.

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:24.000 Honestly, like, this is going to sound funny, but when I go there, it almost makes the U.S. feel like a third world country.

01:43:31.000 That's crazy.

01:43:32.000 Just because it's so inexpensive.

01:43:34.000 The doctors are good.

01:43:35.000 The facility is great.

01:43:36.000 Anyhow, so I go get the surgery.

01:43:37.000 I come out of it.

01:43:38.000 I'm missing the back of my ear.

01:43:39.000 I didn't understand that part.

01:43:41.000 Why didn't they do the rib?

01:43:42.000 Usually they do the rib, Carly. 0.98

01:43:44.000 They said they might do the rib, but I don't remember.

01:43:46.000 They changed their mind and went with your ear.

01:43:47.000 I guess they did.

01:43:48.000 What does your ear look like now?

01:43:49.000 I'm going to show it to you.

01:43:50.000 Show me.

01:43:52.000 Okay, you got a missing chunk, son.

01:43:54.000 Whoa.

01:43:56.000 Yeah, now it lays kind of flat.

01:43:58.000 Oh, that's crazy.

01:43:59.000 Not that bad.

01:44:00.000 Not bad.

01:44:01.000 But you don't grapple, so you don't have cauliflower.

01:44:03.000 That would get weird because there would be no structure.

01:44:05.000 So it would like super droop like a Labrador. 0.97

01:44:09.000 What do you think?

01:44:09.000 I haven't gotten into jiu-jitsu just because I was told by some of my friends that I could re-break my nose just by the pressure of people leaning on it all the time.

01:44:18.000 I just don't want to get the surgery again.

01:44:19.000 When I got my surgery, I was addicted, fully addicted to jiu-jitsu, so I waited six weeks and I started rolling again.

01:44:24.000 And how's your nose been?

01:44:26.000 It's fine.

01:44:26.000 I protected it and I told everybody that I was rolling with him, and I just got no surgery.

01:44:30.000 So please don't cross-face me if you're trying to get a rear naked choke or something like that. 0.90

01:44:35.000 There's certain guys that are real mean and they get your back and they'll fucking do this with their nose to get you to lift your chin up. 0.96

01:44:43.000 They'll go forearm blade right into the nose, which I understand for competition. 0.99

01:44:47.000 But for the gym, the problem is like you could really break a guy's nose and then fuck him up for the rest of his life until he gets it fixed. 0.98

01:44:54.000 What about now when you train? 0.98

01:44:56.000 Well, I've been training in a long time.

01:44:56.000 Is it a concern?

01:44:58.000 I haven't been training in over a year.

01:44:59.000 No rolling at all in over a year.

01:45:01.000 But it's not a concern.

01:45:03.000 It works great.

01:45:04.000 It's fine.

01:45:05.000 If I got it broken and it was a problem, I'd definitely 100% get it fixed again.

01:45:09.000 The benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose, and I've talked to a ton of fighters about this.

01:45:14.000 Some of them are like, I'll wait till after I'm done fighting.

01:45:16.000 But Drekis Duplessis, who's defending his title this weekend, Tricus, he started his career with a fucked up nose in the UFC, and it really affected his cardio. 0.89

01:45:25.000 His mouth was wide open.

01:45:26.000 He got it fixed, and there was like this immediate bump in performance.

01:45:30.000 I mean, immediate.

01:45:31.000 For sure, he was getting better along the way, and for sure, he was figuring out how to tighten up, tighten up his techniques, and he's just an animal, right?

01:45:40.000 But on top of that, having that nose fixed was a significant difference.

01:45:43.000 He didn't have to have his mouth open all the time.

01:45:45.000 That's an ideal way to breathe if you can just breathe through your nose, right?

01:45:48.000 It limits your cardio in a significant way.

01:45:51.000 I noticed like a 10% bump in cardio is what it felt like to me.

01:45:53.000 Like I could feel the difference in being able to breathe out of my nose.

01:45:57.000 And also to be able to bite down on your mouthpiece, like if you're really clamping down on something and you could still breathe perfectly.

01:46:04.000 That was huge.

01:46:05.000 Because before, you'd have to squeeze while your mouth is open.

01:46:10.000 That's terrible.

01:46:11.000 Like you, if you want to squeeze on something, you want to be like this. 1.00

01:46:14.000 You want to feel like fucking and you can't bite down. 0.99

01:46:18.000 They've done studies on that, right? 0.99

01:46:20.000 Like people lifting stuff with like certain mouthpieces in, and certain mouthpieces actually increase their strength.

01:46:26.000 Powerlifters use them, right?

01:46:28.000 Yeah, I think they do it for sure also to not break your teeth.

01:46:32.000 Because I went to a dentist once and the dentist was like, yo, like micro fractures on all your teeth.

01:46:38.000 You're like, do you lift weights?

01:46:39.000 And I go, yeah.

01:46:40.000 He goes, like, you're clenching your teeth all the time.

01:46:42.000 Yeah.

01:46:43.000 So I stopped doing that so much.

01:46:45.000 And I definitely started.

01:46:46.000 I worked out with a mouthpiece for a long time, like lifting.

01:46:49.000 But I think there's a certain mouthpiece that they designed that sets your jaw in a certain way that it actually enhances your strength.

01:46:57.000 There's like some sort of a connection between like having your jaw perfectly aligned and clamping down on this mouthpiece that allows you to actually lift more weight.

01:47:06.000 Find out if that's true.

01:47:07.000 Because I know that that was definitely a marketing claim for this mouthpiece thing, but I just don't remember much of it.

01:47:14.000 But I remember like looking into it years ago.

01:47:17.000 It was like a weird mouthpiece with like the bottom had like a hole cut into it so you could throw it.

01:47:21.000 I think I've heard something about that.

01:47:22.000 I know grunting is supposed to help you lift more weights.

01:47:24.000 That makes sense.

01:47:25.000 That's why they keep it out of that fitness place.

01:47:27.000 They get mad at you.

01:47:27.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 No, Planet Fitness.

01:47:29.000 Planet Fitness, yeah.

01:47:30.000 I did see a study because I was looking at all these studies that increased strength performance.

01:47:33.000 You know, when I was studying all this stuff, and I was like, grunting.

01:47:36.000 That's so crazy that if you lift weights there too loud, they sound an alarm and they kick you out.

01:47:42.000 If you tried to hard, the lunk alarm.

01:47:44.000 The lunk alarm.

01:47:46.000 That's funny.

01:47:47.000 It's safe for those people who want to be there.

01:47:49.000 It's a nice safe environment.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:47:52.000 But also, don't you want to be inspired by someone who's working out really hard?

01:47:56.000 Like if I go to the gym and there's a guy there, they're like, whoa, that guy's there.

01:47:59.000 And you watch that guy do Some crazy routine.

01:48:01.000 As long as he's nice, like, what do you care if he's grunting?

01:48:04.000 But that's kind of society, right?

01:48:05.000 We got the padded walls many places for people.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, I guess it intimidates people.

01:48:11.000 And then maybe people...

01:48:11.000 It scares them.

01:48:14.000 The mouthpiece?

01:48:15.000 The mouthpiece.

01:48:16.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:48:17.000 I don't know if it's proven.

01:48:18.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's proven either.

01:48:20.000 But is this official mouthpiece of the world's strongest man?

01:48:24.000 It's patented.

01:48:25.000 Boosting muscular force and power.

01:48:27.000 Huh.

01:48:28.000 It's patented.

01:48:29.000 So how does it work?

01:48:30.000 Does it say how it works?

01:48:31.000 I don't know.

01:48:32.000 I was looking.

01:48:32.000 I didn't see any.

01:48:35.000 This is, I don't know.

01:48:36.000 That's what it says.

01:48:37.000 Thing is, if you believe it works, it probably works.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, I don't know how much.

01:48:41.000 Designed to absorb clenching while guiding optimal tongue positioning during high stress exertion.

01:48:47.000 Hmm.

01:48:49.000 I don't know.

01:48:52.000 But being able to breathe out of your nose is giant, kids.

01:48:55.000 So if you don't have that, if you've got that problem, get it fixed.

01:48:58.000 What do you think about weed and fighting?

01:49:01.000 Because I'm going to ask you a couple of different questions.

01:49:04.000 When I was living in LA, I knew this neuroscientist, and we ran like a little fun study where I was a big stoner.

01:49:10.000 So he had me stop smoking weed for two weeks.

01:49:13.000 I think it was.

01:49:14.000 He tested me, did all these brain tests with me.

01:49:17.000 And then he tested me two weeks afterwards.

01:49:19.000 And I played football, I boxed, right?

01:49:21.000 So a lot of hits to the head.

01:49:23.000 And he said that without weed, he showed like it showed that I had a fair amount of like brain damage.

01:49:30.000 Like my brain wasn't functioning like it would.

01:49:32.000 When I smoked weed and went back in there, he said there was some kind of like neuroprotective effect where like I was, my brain was like registering as more healthy.

01:49:41.000 Well, isn't part of the problem with CTE and any kind of brain issue in general?

01:49:47.000 Part of the problem is inflammation, right?

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 Isn't it?

01:49:51.000 That's one of the things that they say, like changing your gut bacteria has an effect on mood.

01:49:57.000 You know, a lot of people that have like real gut problems.

01:49:59.000 Weed decreases inflammation in the brain.

01:50:01.000 Yeah.

01:50:02.000 Well, weed certainly increases, decreases rather, inflammation.

01:50:05.000 And that's why people use it for pain management.

01:50:08.000 People with sore backs and yeah, people going through chemotherapy.

01:50:13.000 It also improves your appetite for people going through chemo because it's hard for them to eat.

01:50:18.000 But weed most certainly can help with pain management, with some kinds of pain.

01:50:24.000 I know some people that have tried it for like debilitating pain and it just doesn't do a damn thing.

01:50:28.000 It just makes them almost more aware of it.

01:50:31.000 But it's variable, man.

01:50:33.000 Because I was this, Jamie, who's the guy who killed bin Laden? 0.70

01:50:38.000 You know that Navy SEAL guy who killed Bin Laden?

01:50:42.000 He's on.

01:50:43.000 O'Neill.

01:50:44.000 Yeah, he's on Instagram.

01:50:46.000 O'Neill, something?

01:50:47.000 Right.

01:50:48.000 But let's say his full name out of respect.

01:50:50.000 I believe it's Robert.

01:50:51.000 Well, how about look it up and find his Instagram because he has something to do with the cannabis business.

01:51:00.000 And like, this guy's just super badass, tip of the spear, special forces operator, right?

01:51:09.000 And there it is, Robert O'Neill.

01:51:11.000 Go to his, see if you can find his Instagram.

01:51:15.000 What does it say?

01:51:16.000 That's him.

01:51:17.000 It says set to pedal pot in New York City and said it helps get rid of the noise.

01:51:22.000 He's also an advocate for ibogaine.

01:51:25.000 He's done ibogaine multiple times.

01:51:29.000 But click on it.

01:51:30.000 Go to his Instagram page, Jamie, if you could.

01:51:33.000 I forget, it's like Mr. Huya or something like that.

01:51:37.000 But he said that it helps him go to sleep at night, helps him relax and go to sleep at night.

01:51:45.000 Scroll down, go back to the grid and scroll down.

01:51:48.000 There's him in an actual pot farm, like his own pot farm in there, like where they grow all the stuff that he sells.

01:51:57.000 That makes sense because it has that disassociative effect, right?

01:52:01.000 And so it's easier maybe to get out of your head.

01:52:01.000 Right.

01:52:04.000 But it flies in the face of this very public narrative, which is pot is for lazy people, pot is for losers, pot's going to rot your brain, pot's going to make you stink, pot's going to make you an idiot. 1.00

01:52:17.000 You can't find it? 1.00

01:52:19.000 Yeah.

01:52:20.000 I don't know where it is.

01:52:22.000 Maybe that's the far right one with his hands outstretched like Jesus.

01:52:27.000 That's the one him talking about Ibogaine.

01:52:28.000 And I looked at that.

01:52:30.000 Mick Huya on Instagram.

01:52:34.000 When a guy like that is smoking weed, you got to throw it out the window.

01:52:37.000 All your preconceived, it's like everybody is biologically different. 0.81

01:52:43.000 And for some people, alcohol just fucks them up.

01:52:47.000 For some people, marijuana is a no-go.

01:52:50.000 It's not good.

01:52:50.000 They freak out.

01:52:51.000 But for some people.

01:52:52.000 When you're a dog, you know, like we're dogs.

01:52:55.000 We like to get after it.

01:52:55.000 We like to work out.

01:52:56.000 We like to do things.

01:52:57.000 Like I almost like when I was smoking weed every day to be the guy who could be super fit, to be training boxing every day and like be achieving my business and smoke weed every day.

01:53:06.000 Like I kind of took this like weird pride in it for some time as well.

01:53:09.000 Bro, one of my favorite things to do was to smoke weed and hit the bag.

01:53:12.000 Oh, you're still so meditative.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, man.

01:53:15.000 You also.

01:53:15.000 Forum goes out the window a little bit.

01:53:17.000 No, it doesn't.

01:53:18.000 For me, it's the opposite.

01:53:19.000 For me, I feel everything.

01:53:21.000 Like, for me, I feel the timing more when I'm hitting things.

01:53:26.000 Like, it feels more coordinated.

01:53:29.000 Like, when I'm throwing a kick, it's just whoop.

01:53:31.000 Like, I feel the time to accelerate, the time to get the hips into it. 0.83

01:53:37.000 I'm more sensitive.

01:53:38.000 It feels better.

01:53:40.000 Like, you tune into it.

01:53:42.000 It makes my pool game 100% better.

01:53:44.000 Really?

01:53:45.000 Oh, 100%.

01:53:46.000 It's like steroids for pool.

01:53:48.000 But I also hear you on the podcast when you've done it before.

01:53:50.000 Like, you stay dialed in to a degree.

01:53:52.000 Like, maybe you don't have the same recall.

01:53:54.000 That's right.

01:53:54.000 But that's the point that I was making earlier.

01:53:57.000 It's different for everybody.

01:53:58.000 It's not like I am different than other people.

01:54:01.000 There's people that don't think the way I think.

01:54:03.000 They don't have life experiences that I have.

01:54:05.000 They don't have the ability to manage the weirdness that comes with weed, which the paranoia I like.

01:54:11.000 I genuinely like.

01:54:12.000 You kind of need, do you like that voice?

01:54:14.000 Just kind of questioning you a little bit.

01:54:16.000 Don't get too big for your britches.

01:54:17.000 Yes.

01:54:18.000 I like being scared.

01:54:18.000 I like it.

01:54:20.000 I think it's good for you.

01:54:21.000 Yes.

01:54:21.000 As long as you use it wisely.

01:54:24.000 Like you take that weirdness, like, oh, maybe I should go give him a call and explain myself better.

01:54:30.000 Maybe I should reach out.

01:54:31.000 Maybe I should do this.

01:54:32.000 Maybe I should do that.

01:54:34.000 Maybe I should like make it easier for these people.

01:54:36.000 Maybe I should, you know, it makes me like very considerate.

01:54:40.000 And I think it's a really potent tool for managing your state of mind.

01:54:46.000 But that's just for me.

01:54:48.000 I don't know how your mind works.

01:54:49.000 I would only be pretending, right?

01:54:52.000 Like we're all on a different mind journey, too, right?

01:54:56.000 Yes. 0.86

01:54:57.000 If you're a person who was beaten by their parents and you were fucking mugged and then this happened to you and that happened to you and you got fucked over at work and now here you are there, like that's very different than a person who's had a lot of like success and been real lucky and got to a point and has a healthy mindset. 0.96

01:55:15.000 Maybe it's more nostalgic. 0.97

01:55:17.000 You kind of smoke what you're thinking about.

01:55:18.000 You know, it gives you time to separate a little bit from being in the grind versus. 0.99

01:55:22.000 Well, my point is, like, if you're all fucked up, maybe pot's not for you. 0.99

01:55:25.000 Right. 1.00

01:55:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:26.000 If you're a real mess and you're like barely hanging on like to regular life, maybe freaking yourself out with potent THC is not the way to go.

01:55:35.000 Especially these days.

01:55:36.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 What I'm getting at is like, maybe as your journey progresses and you get healthy and you get more confident and strong and more successful, maybe then.

01:55:45.000 Maybe not even then.

01:55:46.000 Maybe that's not your thing.

01:55:48.000 You have to be honest about what's your thing.

01:55:50.000 You know, you have to find, and the problem with things being illegal is you don't have that opportunity.

01:55:55.000 And then you have people that had bad personal experiences with it and they're like, pop makes you stink. 0.98

01:55:59.000 Pop makes you a dummy. 0.98

01:56:01.000 Maybe it does that for you. 0.85

01:56:02.000 Okay, but it doesn't do that for me.

01:56:03.000 For me, it makes me nicer to my friends.

01:56:05.000 It makes me want to pet my dog.

01:56:07.000 It makes me want to chill out.

01:56:09.000 It's like, it makes me want to have fun with my friends.

01:56:12.000 It makes me want to laugh.

01:56:14.000 It doesn't make me stink.

01:56:16.000 Well, it probably makes me stink. 0.98

01:56:19.000 But it doesn't make me any dumber. 0.98

01:56:22.000 That's for sure. 0.89

01:56:23.000 And it makes me more inquisitive.

01:56:24.000 It makes me more interested in, for sure, subjects that I have no understanding of that are fascinating, like cosmology.

01:56:33.000 There's nothing like getting high and watching a space documentary just to try to put it into perspective, like what it is worth living in.

01:56:42.000 What is the reality of the physical universe and its majesty that's above your head every day?

01:56:48.000 Like that is, when you're high, you're like, how am I not paying attention to this?

01:56:52.000 This is really a crazy thing that this is probably the most profound experience that a person could ever have in their life is like being on a planet going through space.

01:57:02.000 And we completely take it for granted.

01:57:04.000 I think to a degree, it's good to have some kind of cadence where you have something that allows you to kind of step back from yourself.

01:57:10.000 Yeah, I think it's weed.

01:57:11.000 It could be some mushrooms.

01:57:12.000 It could be just meditative, like breathing exercises, yoga class, yeah, doing something or running.

01:57:18.000 I think that's a lot of the high of running.

01:57:20.000 You know, when people like really exert themselves, like you're just thinking about your breath, you're just getting after it, and you're five, six miles in, and when you're done, you're like, wow.

01:57:34.000 That runner's high is 100% real.

01:57:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:38.000 100% real.

01:57:40.000 And that's how they're getting it.

01:57:42.000 And that's how they're separating themselves.

01:57:44.000 And I think a person who can regularly run on a regular basis, miles and miles and miles, that's a special person.

01:57:50.000 That's a very unusual person.

01:57:52.000 That's a person of will, you know?

01:57:56.000 A person can be just at any time.

01:57:58.000 You can just tag them, let's go run. 1.00

01:57:59.000 And they can run like, that's what Goggins and Cam Haynes do to each other, these fucking psychopaths. 1.00

01:58:03.000 Cam Haynes calls Gog and say, hey, I'm in Vegas. 1.00

01:58:06.000 Let's go running.

01:58:07.000 And so Goggins calls out a spot check.

01:58:10.000 Like if you have a true friend, he spot checks you. 1.00

01:58:12.000 Those motherfuckers ran a marathon in the streets of Las Vegas. 1.00

01:58:17.000 They ran 26 miles. 1.00

01:58:19.000 Just because.

01:58:20.000 Yeah, at like a six-minute mile pace.

01:58:22.000 Like bananas.

01:58:24.000 Just bananas.

01:58:25.000 Like out of nowhere.

01:58:26.000 Like, you didn't know I was coming.

01:58:27.000 I call you.

01:58:28.000 Let's go.

01:58:29.000 Let's go running.

01:58:30.000 Let's see what's up. 1.00

01:58:31.000 And two fucking complete total psychopaths running 26 miles in the Las Vegas heat. 1.00

01:58:37.000 Nuts. 1.00

01:58:38.000 Sick. 0.98

01:58:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:58:39.000 So there's people like that out there that are just different.

01:58:43.000 And their journey to be different is taking a long time to get to where they are right now.

01:58:49.000 What are your beliefs around, because I have mine just from my experience.

01:58:52.000 What are your beliefs on where they were before they were born?

01:58:55.000 Do you think that this is, they have something in them because of a previous life?

01:59:00.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:59:02.000 That's a good question.

01:59:04.000 If previous lives were proven to be true, which right now they're not, it's like just an idea because you can't know.

01:59:10.000 How could you know?

01:59:11.000 But a lot of people in a lot of religions and a lot of different cultures have believed in this crisis.

01:59:16.000 There's actually, I think, what university?

01:59:18.000 Maybe University of Virginia?

01:59:20.000 There's a whole department that's studying people who've had these near-death experiences.

01:59:23.000 They're going back and talking about previous lives.

01:59:27.000 It's an interesting question, but there's no evidence, right?

01:59:31.000 There's no data.

01:59:32.000 Jamie, I don't know if you've seen this or heard of it.

01:59:34.000 Well, I mean, even if these people have stories, unless they have stories that match up with historical facts.

01:59:41.000 Yeah.

01:59:42.000 Well, I think it is oftentimes.

01:59:43.000 I think it's like you have some kids who are just telling you about someone else's life and they should not know it.

01:59:49.000 I have heard those stories. 0.99

01:59:50.000 But I don't know if those are real because one of the problems is people bullshit. 0.98

01:59:54.000 And they make things out to be a little bit more profound than they are. 0.97

01:59:58.000 So it makes for a better story.

02:00:00.000 And if you're a true believer, maybe even juice up the results a little bit.

02:00:03.000 It's hard to know.

02:00:04.000 But I'm not opposed to the idea of a reincarnation.

02:00:08.000 And I'm not opposed to the idea that some people are just special because it seems like that's real.

02:00:13.000 It seems like there's certain people that just emerge and there's just something about them.

02:00:17.000 And it's not necessarily just the hard work.

02:00:21.000 You know, it's not necessarily just the mindset.

02:00:23.000 There's something that's not.

02:00:24.000 I like the framework of it, of thinking about this infinite game.

02:00:27.000 Because then someone, it's like, well, why am I going to do this work?

02:00:29.000 Like, this sounds like a lot of work, all this self-introspection.

02:00:32.000 It's like to understand that you're playing this infinite game. 0.99

02:00:35.000 If you deal with your shit now, then your life is going to be more peaceful and have more flow in the future. 0.99

02:00:40.000 If you don't deal with it, this is just, you know, you're just kicking the ball down the road. 1.00

02:00:44.000 Yeah, well, that's true.

02:00:45.000 At least it is true in this life.

02:00:47.000 And I don't know.

02:00:48.000 I feel it could be true in your next one as well.

02:00:50.000 If you have a next one, I mean, that's the thing.

02:00:52.000 It's like, maybe it's not as simple as that.

02:00:56.000 We're just assuming every time we wake up that we're in the same timeline.

02:01:00.000 But just the idea of going to sleep is really kooky.

02:01:03.000 Yeah.

02:01:03.000 It's really kooky.

02:01:05.000 You know, you just, you decide to close your eyes every night and you just disconnect from physical reality for hours at a time and it's necessary.

02:01:13.000 And we all just take it for granted.

02:01:15.000 Where do we go?

02:01:16.000 I don't know where we go, but I go to a lot of zombies.

02:01:16.000 Oh, normal.

02:01:19.000 Do you really?

02:01:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:20.000 I have a lot of zombie dreams.

02:01:22.000 I have a lot of, last night I had a great zombie apocalypse dream.

02:01:25.000 We need a dream interpreter in here.

02:01:27.000 Yeah.

02:01:28.000 Well, I don't think I have a whole lot Of confidence in the human race keeping it together.

02:01:33.000 You know, at the very best, I'm like 60, 40 plus that we're going to figure it out.

02:01:37.000 But that 40%.

02:01:38.000 Just in your lifetime or just yeah, like maybe this week. 0.98

02:01:42.000 Who fucking knows? 0.87

02:01:43.000 It's all dependent upon what kind of disaster takes place. 1.00

02:01:47.000 You know, it's all dependent upon what kind of shit goes down. 1.00

02:01:51.000 And when you look historically, shit has always gone down when people thought shit could never go down. 1.00

02:01:56.000 And that's us right now. 0.99

02:01:58.000 And that's why zombie movies work.

02:02:00.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 And that's why they're making them infiltrating into your brain.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, I started watching 28 years later, Jim.

02:02:06.000 Oh, yeah, that'll do it. 1.00

02:02:07.000 I shut that bitch off. 1.00

02:02:08.000 I was about to go to bed. 1.00

02:02:10.000 I was like, it was like 8 o'clock at night.

02:02:11.000 I'm like, let me watch this.

02:02:12.000 I'm like, no, no, no.

02:02:13.000 I figured it out 10, 15 minutes where they, I don't want to say what happens.

02:02:17.000 You got to watch some Barney after that.

02:02:17.000 I don't want to spoil it.

02:02:19.000 But right away, I was like, okay, this is one where I'm going to have to do hours before I go to sleep because them zombie dreams.

02:02:25.000 Even watching like the House of Dragon and Game of Thrones, like some gruesome stuff before bed.

02:02:31.000 Like real hardcore, like realistic violence is rough before you go to sleep.

02:02:31.000 Yeah.

02:02:36.000 I mean, just what I know about the mind, how the subconscious works, like it's just obvious.

02:02:40.000 Every time I go to bed, I'm like, you shouldn't have done that.

02:02:42.000 For sure.

02:02:43.000 Here's what's interesting, though.

02:02:43.000 For sure.

02:02:45.000 I can watch brutal fights and sleep like a baby.

02:02:48.000 That seems weird.

02:02:49.000 I wonder why.

02:02:49.000 That's weird because that's real violence, right?

02:02:51.000 The stuff that I'm seeing in the movies I know is horseshit. 0.90

02:02:54.000 For some reason, it feels more controlled. 0.97

02:02:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:02:58.000 I don't know.

02:02:58.000 I think I'm just used to it, honestly.

02:03:01.000 I think it's like everything else.

02:03:02.000 I think, you know, there's a lot of doctors that they'll tell you, if they're being honest with you, that there comes a time when people die that it doesn't affect them the same anymore.

02:03:11.000 You know, they're so used to people dying, especially like emergency room doctors dealing with like traumatic injuries.

02:03:17.000 And you get accustomed to people dying.

02:03:20.000 I think it's also the idea of like evil, though.

02:03:22.000 You know, if you're watching something, you're seeing evil take place versus like for me when I watch MMA, I'm like, I know these guys.

02:03:28.000 Like, I see, I love these guys.

02:03:31.000 You know, I've never met, I've never worked with a guy who I don't love.

02:03:33.000 They all have great hearts, and like I feel this genuine like goodness.

02:03:38.000 Like, I haven't met that many guys.

02:03:40.000 I don't know them all, but like when I see it, I don't see like evil.

02:03:44.000 There's a lot of really, really, really good guys and good women that fight in MMA.

02:03:48.000 And it's because of what we talked about before.

02:03:50.000 They've gone through something insanely difficult.

02:03:52.000 They're a very special person.

02:03:54.000 Even people that you don't think are like great people.

02:03:57.000 Like Sean Strickland, super controversial. 0.99

02:04:00.000 Sean Strickland is a fucking great guy. 0.97

02:04:01.000 If you get him alone, you talk to him, he's a great guy. 0.99

02:04:04.000 He's super smart, super disciplined, saved up a ton of money.

02:04:07.000 You know, he was talking the other day about like, he's got like 4 million bucks saved.

02:04:11.000 Super smart, man.

02:04:12.000 Yeah, so he could retire at any moment, live a simple life, and never work again.

02:04:17.000 And he's not, but he's outrageous.

02:04:20.000 You know, he's outrageous. 1.00

02:04:21.000 He says wild shit. 1.00

02:04:22.000 But it's also, it's like, what do you expect from the way that guy grew up? 1.00

02:04:27.000 Like, he didn't grow up the way he grew up.

02:04:28.000 He's got some unresolved trauma.

02:04:30.000 100%.

02:04:30.000 And I don't know.

02:04:31.000 This is something that I think some fighters think about.

02:04:33.000 It's like, if I get rid of my trauma, am I going to be weaker?

02:04:36.000 You know, do I need this as an edge?

02:04:38.000 I don't believe they do.

02:04:39.000 That's been my experience.

02:04:40.000 Yeah, I don't think they do either.

02:04:42.000 But then again, some fighters, they go and do ayahuasca and they come back and they're not.

02:04:46.000 Kumbaya.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:49.000 They say that happened to Deontay.

02:04:51.000 Deontay Wilder went and did ayahuasca when he came back.

02:04:54.000 It's a little too peaceful.

02:04:56.000 Interesting.

02:04:59.000 After.

02:05:00.000 So that's the problem. 0.99

02:05:01.000 It's like we might be drawing a force, a fake correlation here because those Tyson Fury fights were fucking brutal. 0.99

02:05:07.000 They were brutal. 0.96

02:05:08.000 I feel like, speaking of belief, right, he had an identity that was bulletproof, that was unbreakable.

02:05:13.000 And I watched all the excuses.

02:05:15.000 Yeah.

02:05:16.000 Deontay, no offense.

02:05:17.000 Yeah, no offense.

02:05:18.000 No offense, but his excuses were kind of crazy.

02:05:20.000 And it's a byproduct of like, he believed he was unbeatable.

02:05:20.000 Yeah, poisonous.

02:05:23.000 So he had to come up with something to tell the story about how he lost for himself.

02:05:28.000 I don't even think it was malicious.

02:05:29.000 I think he was trying to cope with what is this reality now.

02:05:32.000 Yeah.

02:05:33.000 Well, what he was was a spectacular puncher who wasn't a real fluid and movement-based boxer, right?

02:05:43.000 He wasn't a guy like Usuk.

02:05:44.000 Usuk is the most fluid, movement-based boxer the heavyweight division has seen since Muhammad Ali, right?

02:05:51.000 So what he was was what Teddy Atlas calls the eraser.

02:05:55.000 Like all the mistakes he made, it was one right hand and they were erased.

02:05:59.000 He's the most spectacular one-punch knockout artist in the history of the sport, I think.

02:06:04.000 I mean, his powers, and not a big guy, not in comparison.

02:06:07.000 He fought Tyson Fury the first time.

02:06:09.000 He told me he was 209.

02:06:10.000 That's crazy.

02:06:12.000 And flatlined him in, like, what, the 11th round?

02:06:14.000 Oh, the 12th, right?

02:06:15.000 Dropped him in the 12th.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, then like a minute left or something.

02:06:18.000 But that 12th round changed the course of the rematches because Tyson Fury realized that if he goes after Deontay and he gets him on his back foot, he doesn't fight as well.

02:06:25.000 And so then he figured it out and he just took it to him.

02:06:28.000 And then he took it to him in the second fight and took it to him in the third fight.

02:06:31.000 But yeah, it's hard when you hear a guy like that make excuses, but you understand, you do more than anybody, the destruction of the belief system and how difficult it is for fighters to manage that.

02:06:41.000 Yeah.

02:06:42.000 But if you do the work to rebuild it afterwards, you're stronger.

02:06:45.000 Right, but you have to do the work, right?

02:06:47.000 And for a lot of guys, again, they don't totally know where to start.

02:06:50.000 Like, say if they have a camp and inside their camp, they have a trainer, they have the strength conditioning guy, they have different coaches for different aspects of their whatever they're doing, whether it's a stretch coach or a boxing coach or whatever it is.

02:07:04.000 But they don't have a mental guy, you know?

02:07:06.000 They don't have someone who works with you and really makes sure that your mind has the tools to manage itself out of there.

02:07:13.000 And they don't know where to start.

02:07:14.000 Like, where do you, if you're a guy in your training, you know, let's any contender, and then he gets knocked out and he comes back from that knockout and you're rebuilding him, but he's got all these confidence issues now.

02:07:25.000 Like, where do you even look?

02:07:26.000 Like, if you're like, I got to help this guy get back on track mentally, get him back to where he was before, like, he got caught.

02:07:32.000 It happens, but he's still an amazing boxer.

02:07:36.000 He's just got to recover from this and he can still get back on the horse and still be a world champion.

02:07:40.000 But where do they even start?

02:07:41.000 You know, if they don't know you, where do they start?

02:07:44.000 Well, I think they start by going through the process of just feeling into it.

02:07:48.000 And it's always diving into where you don't want to go, right?

02:07:52.000 It's okay.

02:07:53.000 What are the insecurities coming up now?

02:07:54.000 What are the fears coming up?

02:07:55.000 What are the doubts?

02:07:56.000 Usually we try to stay in our head and escape that.

02:07:58.000 It's about going into it, feeling, feeling, feeling into it, and then seeing what comes up there and even writing it down and just bringing it into awareness.

02:08:07.000 Once you have awareness of it, then you can actually do something.

02:08:09.000 Then you can manage it.

02:08:10.000 Yes.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 So this book, how long does it take you to write it?

02:08:15.000 Like six months.

02:08:17.000 The success code.

02:08:18.000 It was a year, but with the high-performance playbook for eliminating mental barriers and scaling your career, relationships, and health.

02:08:27.000 So did you think about like different approaches to like different kinds of occupations and different kinds of ways people are living their life and how it applies?

02:08:36.000 So the first half of the book is my story.

02:08:38.000 It's kind of like, okay.

02:08:39.000 I'm trying to build rapport.

02:08:41.000 So I tell people, this is how I learned all this stuff.

02:08:43.000 This is how it worked for me.

02:08:44.000 These are my client stories. 1.00

02:08:46.000 So by the end of the first part, you either are like, this guy's full of shit or I believe you. 1.00

02:08:50.000 And then the playbook starts. 0.99

02:08:52.000 And it is something that anyone can use because it's simple stuff.

02:08:55.000 Like it starts with grade the different areas of your life from one to ten.

02:08:59.000 Right.

02:08:59.000 And then we're looking at closing the gap in each area.

02:09:02.000 If you're like, my career is at a four, I want it to be at a 10.

02:09:05.000 Let's get the low-hanging fruit of like, what are some of the things you need to stop doing?

02:09:05.000 Okay.

02:09:09.000 That vodka.

02:09:10.000 The vodka.

02:09:10.000 Right.

02:09:11.000 Let's cut that out, right?

02:09:12.000 Those three glasses in the morning.

02:09:13.000 Stop.

02:09:14.000 Yeah.

02:09:15.000 And just going through that auditing system of understanding like what's holding you back, what you need to be more conscientious about.

02:09:21.000 And then I start getting into the training for the mind later on.

02:09:25.000 Do this system, this writing this stuff down and having these numbers, is this something that you invented?

02:09:30.000 Is this something you learned?

02:09:32.000 Something I invented.

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 So you just, how did you come to that conclusion that that's how you should do it?

02:09:38.000 Works.

02:09:39.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 Disc works.

02:09:41.000 Works for you, works for your clients.

02:09:43.000 Yeah.

02:09:43.000 My clients.

02:09:44.000 So when you first started doing it, was it sort of like, whoo, what's the best way to mentally manage this situation for this person?

02:09:52.000 Just trying to solve their problems.

02:09:53.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

02:09:54.000 Just being really creative with my problem solving.

02:09:57.000 And so over the years, I just picked up better tools.

02:09:59.000 I've gotten better at practicing things to be able to solve problems better.

02:10:02.000 I wanted to be full-time at this at 22 years old.

02:10:05.000 It wasn't going to happen.

02:10:06.000 I just didn't have the experience.

02:10:07.000 I didn't have enough tools.

02:10:08.000 That's so young to want to help other people.

02:10:11.000 You know, most people at 22 are trying to help themselves.

02:10:15.000 Yeah, it just worked for me so much.

02:10:17.000 It transformed my life so much that I was like, well, this is what I'm supposed to do.

02:10:21.000 I want to help other people with this.

02:10:24.000 So how did it transform your life?

02:10:24.000 Interesting.

02:10:26.000 Like, what were the big benefits?

02:10:28.000 Where do I begin?

02:10:30.000 I would say it started just with coming back the next season and playing football.

02:10:34.000 I went from riding the bench to becoming a starter to being one of the best players on our team.

02:10:38.000 So it helped me with the football first.

02:10:39.000 I was like, all right, cool.

02:10:41.000 That helped.

02:10:42.000 Then I started to get actually confidence from being able to help other people, which I didn't have before.

02:10:47.000 I was never something, because football was like, okay, I wasn't great at it.

02:10:51.000 But once I learned the skill, I actually started to build confidence and just learn to manage my own state, my anxiety, my performance anxiety, and just starting to feel confident.

02:11:01.000 So for the first 10 years or so about knowing about this, probably first more like nine years, I was mostly using more elementary meditation techniques, some hypnosis, some NLP.

02:11:13.000 It wasn't until I'd say about seven years ago that I started going deep into the beliefs.

02:11:19.000 And that transformed my life in a major way.

02:11:22.000 I mean, one thing I did recently was I had hypothyroidism and I was able to completely heal that naturally.

02:11:27.000 How'd you do that?

02:11:28.000 Changing all the underwriting beliefs and then everything, right?

02:11:32.000 Everything I do with any client, it's the same thing I'm going to do for me.

02:11:35.000 It's holistic.

02:11:35.000 So of course, I went through a huge gut cleanse, right?

02:11:38.000 Because a gut is everything.

02:11:40.000 It's the foundation.

02:11:41.000 So did a lot of fasting, elimination diet, cutting out almost all foods except for a few, boiled chicken, bull carrots, coconut oil.

02:11:50.000 Started slowly noticing how I felt as I started to increase the portion and start to bring other foods in.

02:11:58.000 I did a red light therapy.

02:11:59.000 There's some good red light therapy research out there for the thyroid.

02:12:02.000 If you just put it on, there's a study that showed that people are able to cut their medication in half just by using the infrared light therapy.

02:12:09.000 It's good for a ton of things.

02:12:09.000 Yeah.

02:12:10.000 Great for the gut.

02:12:12.000 So I just started synchronicity, right?

02:12:14.000 I met this lady on the beach in Miami Beach who studies this stuff, red light therapy specifically for the gut. 0.92

02:12:18.000 And I was like, well, what about the thyroid?

02:12:20.000 And she's like, yeah, of course it will help.

02:12:22.000 It's light.

02:12:22.000 Light heals everything.

02:12:23.000 So I just started researching it.

02:12:25.000 So it was all, I did a lot of things.

02:12:26.000 I cut out caffeine this year.

02:12:28.000 That was a big thing.

02:12:29.000 I don't think caffeine creates hypothyroidism.

02:12:32.000 But for me, when I turned on that gene, right, epigenetics, I've turned on the gene for I didn't have to have this, but like my mom has it.

02:12:38.000 My brother has it.

02:12:39.000 And so I had the gene and I put it on through stress, through excessive caffeine and just a very stressful life in my mid-20s.

02:12:47.000 So the way to turn it off was turn off the things that are associated with that stress response.

02:12:51.000 So pulling out the caffeine just put me more on the parasympathetic nervous system, allowed me to relax more.

02:12:57.000 And then, yeah, all this stuff and just noticing the fears come up when I pull away the things I like, right?

02:13:04.000 The comfort of the food, the comfort of the caffeine, just all my things that I like, all the comfort and just seeing were the fears that came out through that and just recoding it, recoding it.

02:13:14.000 This is going to sound very woo-woo, but I was taking the medication because, you know, if you ask a doctor, they tell you, you have to take this medication for the rest of your life.

02:13:20.000 And they get mad that you even ask about what an alternative is.

02:13:20.000 Right.

02:13:25.000 Like, I've had doctors be like, be grateful.

02:13:27.000 You just have to take a pill.

02:13:28.000 Like, get out of here.

02:13:30.000 But there was actually an experience I had two years ago where a doctor wouldn't give me my medication, even though my blood didn't change.

02:13:37.000 He said, oh, you're going to have to come back in here every three months.

02:13:40.000 He tried to put me on like a subscription plan to pay more money just to keep getting it.

02:13:40.000 I want to monitor it.

02:13:43.000 And it was like flip something to me.

02:13:45.000 I was like, I'm not doing this anymore.

02:13:46.000 I'm going to find a way to get off this medication.

02:13:46.000 Wow.

02:13:49.000 This is something that RFK Jr. is trying to stop is financial incentives.

02:13:54.000 The gatekeeper of this medication.

02:13:56.000 Yeah, the financial incentives to prescribe things and then gatekeeping, whether or not you can get useful medications.

02:14:04.000 Kind of crazy.

02:14:04.000 Yeah.

02:14:05.000 But yeah.

02:14:06.000 So I just had, I did all these things very holistically, right?

02:14:12.000 Doing sauna, doing all these things.

02:14:14.000 And then just feeling into my body one day, it was just like intuition just told me.

02:14:18.000 I was like, yeah, you're done.

02:14:19.000 You don't need anymore.

02:14:20.000 Wow.

02:14:21.000 And so what I did, of course, I asked ChatGPT.

02:14:23.000 I was like, I can't just stop taking it.

02:14:26.000 What did ChatGPT say?

02:14:27.000 It said, take one day on, one day off.

02:14:29.000 I did that.

02:14:29.000 By the third day of taking it again, my body rejected it.

02:14:32.000 I felt terrible.

02:14:34.000 I felt like a depletion of energy.

02:14:36.000 It's just three days.

02:14:37.000 The third day of not taking it.

02:14:39.000 Third day of taking it.

02:14:40.000 Wow.

02:14:41.000 So I took it.

02:14:42.000 I didn't take it.

02:14:43.000 And the day that I took it again, my body rejected it.

02:14:45.000 And I was like, I get it.

02:14:46.000 I'm done.

02:14:47.000 And I haven't touched it since.

02:14:48.000 That's crazy.

02:14:49.000 I think there's a lot of things like that.

02:14:51.000 Well, I wonder if that study that shows that visualization increases physical strength.

02:14:57.000 Like, I really wonder If you have the ability to accentuate healing, if you just concentrate, like if you get an injury and the injury is going to heal, but if concentrating on that injury helps it heal more.

02:15:11.000 But how many people actually do that, right?

02:15:11.000 Oh.

02:15:13.000 How many people actually really visualize something?

02:15:16.000 Well, even just the placebo effect of thinking you got it.

02:15:19.000 So there's a study, I think it was done on ACL surgeries.

02:15:23.000 It could be meniscus.

02:15:24.000 It was one of these knee surgeries where they took two groups.

02:15:27.000 They give one group the surgery.

02:15:29.000 The other group, they just cut their knee open and they sewed it right back up.

02:15:32.000 Same results over whatever the patient is.

02:15:35.000 It can't be ACL surgery because ACL is a stabilizing ligament.

02:15:35.000 Wait a minute.

02:15:39.000 It was one of these knee surgeries.

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 And they had the same results.

02:15:44.000 That doesn't make sense.

02:15:47.000 Help me out here.

02:15:47.000 That seems a little wacky.

02:15:48.000 Because ACLs are, that's the ligament in the center that keeps it from moving side to side and up and down.

02:15:55.000 Maybe it was meniscus.

02:15:56.000 Maybe.

02:15:57.000 That makes more sense.

02:15:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:59.000 Meniscus surgeries are rough because when they take it out, then you have this hole there.

02:16:03.000 You have like a gap missing, depending on how much you take out.

02:16:06.000 And some guys get a bunch of their meniscus taken out.

02:16:08.000 Guys even get like artificial meniscus put in or donor meniscus.

02:16:13.000 You know?

02:16:14.000 But I mean, was that buggy?

02:16:16.000 I think visualization is a factor.

02:16:18.000 And belief.

02:16:19.000 Yeah.

02:16:20.000 You're not going to regrow your ACL, though, with your brain.

02:16:22.000 No. 1.00

02:16:23.000 If it's not connected, get that shit fixed. 0.99

02:16:26.000 But because I know a lot of guys who didn't, and then eventually they did. 0.99

02:16:30.000 I know a lot of guys who got their ACL blown out and they just tried to rehab it, but it kept grinding.

02:16:34.000 So it's always slipping out.

02:16:36.000 They're always tearing their meniscus more. 1.00

02:16:38.000 It's like, fuck, dude. 1.00

02:16:39.000 Just get it fixed. 0.99

02:16:41.000 Get it fixed.

02:16:41.000 Six months later, you'll be back on the maths.

02:16:43.000 Get your ACL fixed.

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 Get your ACL fixed.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, it's wild, though.

02:16:47.000 I mean, if you start going down this rabbit hole of seeing how many placebo studies have been done, that's why it's so hard to find drugs that actually work.

02:16:53.000 Because this is weird.

02:16:54.000 I think this is sort of like what does it say?

02:16:57.000 180 patients, osteoarthritis knee surgery.

02:17:00.000 Were randomly assigned to receive arthioscopic debridement, arthroscopic lavage or placebo surgery.

02:17:09.000 Patients in a placebo group received skin incisions and underwent a similar debridement without insertion of the arthroscope.

02:17:18.000 Patients and assessors of the outcome were blinded to the treatment group.

02:17:23.000 Assignment outcomes were assessed at multiple points over a 24-month period with the use of five self-reported scores, three on scales for pain and two on scales for function.

02:17:33.000 And one objective test of walking and stair climbing, a total of 165 patients completed the trial.

02:17:40.000 Results.

02:17:41.000 At no point did either of the intervention groups report less pain or better function than the placebo group.

02:17:48.000 Interesting.

02:17:50.000 But this is just like, I always wonder, like, how bad was their injury?

02:17:56.000 What, you know, what are we talking about?

02:17:57.000 How many people were there?

02:17:58.000 How many people were in this group?

02:18:00.000 165 patients.

02:18:01.000 Conclusions in this controlled trial involving patients with osteoarthritis of the knee, the outcomes after arthroscopic lavage or arthroscopic debridement were no better than those after a placebo procedure.

02:18:16.000 That's kind of nuts, man.

02:18:17.000 And I think like, it's weird how we talk about the placebo that way.

02:18:20.000 It's kind of like diminishing it.

02:18:21.000 It's like, yeah, look, it didn't work, but that's not what happened.

02:18:24.000 The people believed they got the surgery.

02:18:26.000 Right. 0.99

02:18:26.000 That's the fucked up part about placebo effects. 0.99

02:18:28.000 It's measurable. 0.98

02:18:29.000 Like, the benefits are measurable.

02:18:31.000 Like, with some of those things, they did heal.

02:18:33.000 They did have less pain.

02:18:35.000 But the question is, like, would they have healed anyway without it?

02:18:35.000 They did.

02:18:39.000 I don't know.

02:18:40.000 Or is it because they believe that they were healed that it relaxed them and then they were thinking, okay, it's healing now.

02:18:47.000 I got the surgery.

02:18:48.000 It's on the right track.

02:18:49.000 It's getting better now.

02:18:50.000 And maybe if they had that mindset, if they could figure out a way to make that mindset without the surgery, they could have just do it.

02:18:56.000 Yeah, belief.

02:18:57.000 Belief.

02:18:58.000 All right, dude.

02:18:59.000 The success code.

02:19:00.000 Did you have an audible or an audio version of this?

02:19:03.000 It's on Spotify.

02:19:04.000 It's audible.

02:19:05.000 Did you read it?

02:19:06.000 I did read it.

02:19:07.000 Nice.

02:19:08.000 I love when you hear it.

02:19:09.000 I get to hear all my dirty stuff.

02:19:10.000 Read their own stuff and a bunch of people sing your praises in the back of the book.

02:19:15.000 You can look up my name because I rebranded it and I haven't changed the name on Spotify.

02:19:19.000 So just look at Brandy Eps and you'll find the book.

02:19:21.000 What do you mean you rebranded the book?

02:19:23.000 Yeah, I had to do it.

02:19:24.000 What's it called on Spotify?

02:19:25.000 Programmed to Fail.

02:19:26.000 Okay, well, let people know.

02:19:27.000 Yeah.

02:19:28.000 Program to fail on Audible success code on it is really good.

02:19:31.000 Beautiful.

02:19:31.000 All right.

02:19:32.000 It was fun.

02:19:32.000 Thanks, brother.

02:19:33.000 All right.

02:19:33.000 Thank you, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 12, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2364 - Brandon Epstein

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