Joe Rogan is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and podcaster. In this episode, he talks about how he got started in comedy, why he doesn't drink alcohol anymore, and why he thinks there's no such thing as a healthy drink.
00:00:12.000That's a great episode of Guides with Hot On.
00:00:14.000you Fall into the camp, who had their YouTube channel deleted and were talking about like wellness, like doctors talking about COVID stuff.
00:00:25.000There was a bunch of doctors that had their YouTube accounts deleted.
00:00:42.000They live longer today than they ever have been before.
00:00:45.000If you get certain diseases, they have cures for it that didn't exist before.
00:00:49.000But there's financial incentives involved in prescribing medications that maybe people don't fucking need because they can make more money if more people take these drugs.
00:01:11.000Like, what these pharmaceutical drug companies in coordination with all these brilliant scientists have created is the greatest medicine system the human race has ever known.
00:01:21.000At least probably as long as maybe the Mayans knew some shit.
00:01:49.000Also, they'll publish fake studies or not fake studies, but they'll publish studies that they've engineered to be successful, even though they're not going to be.
00:01:58.000They'll hide data that shows that it causes side effects.
00:02:43.000We're experiencing it a little bit in the comedy community because, and this is, by the way, this is like a normal thing that happens to young comedians.
00:02:51.000They want to be further than they are.
00:02:53.000Maybe they think they deserve more than they're getting.
00:02:55.000They think they deserve more shows, better spots on shows.
00:04:10.000He talked about this openly, but after the Bilal fight, that's when we started working together.
00:04:14.000And it was because, I think this happens to a lot of fighters, a lot of high achievers, is he built this identity of being unbeatable, right?
00:04:21.000So all his belief that was wired around who he was was, I am unbeatable.
00:04:26.000And so when he lost, everything shattered.
00:04:34.000I believe I'm unbeatable, but then I lost.
00:04:37.000And so we literally had to go into his nervous system.
00:04:39.000And it's almost like clearing out, almost like we're doing surgery at an energetic level of clearing out all the bullshit around these new beliefs that are starting to form like in the confusion of like, I am beatable.
00:04:49.000When am I going to lose my next fight?
00:04:51.000And we had to clear all that and bring him back into that state of being of I'm unbeatable again.
00:04:56.000And how did you learn how to do all this?
00:06:31.000And this is what you hear about with tainted supplements with fighters all the time.
00:06:34.000So what happens is we found out that some of these companies that mix your products for you, say if you have like some B3K2 supplement, you put them all together, they're mixing them in the same bin where they're making steroids.
00:06:47.000They're mixing them in the same bin where they're making creatine.
00:07:47.000But in other ways, it's like, I read something about Amazon, and this is crazy if it's true, is that I think it was like 30% of the supplements on Amazon were forgeries.
00:08:00.000Yeah, I think I've seen people putting fake labels and stuff and making it look just like it.
00:08:27.000Well, that company, Pure Encapsulations, is really good.
00:08:29.000I have no affiliations with them, but I use their stuff all the time.
00:08:33.000I think a lot of people have that question, though.
00:08:34.000Like for me, it's like you just see 100 brands on Amazon.
00:08:37.000You're like, well, which one's actually legit?
00:08:39.000Because you know some of them are trash.
00:08:40.000You just got to find a company that has like a great history of a bunch of people that have tested their stuff and that use their stuff.
00:08:48.000And Pure seems to be one of those companies.
00:08:50.000I mean, I'm just using that name because I use it, but there's a ton of like super legit supplement companies where you know if you're going to get 10,000 milligrams of D3, that's exactly what it is.
00:10:56.000But it's like that real animalistic primal part of yourself that comes out and goes, I couldn't even constantly tell you why, but like, I can't go there.
00:11:04.000Like, I can't get to that level of success.
00:11:06.000If I do, I'm going to tear it all down.
00:11:10.000Well, it's a weird fear for people that are trying to be successful because they're listening to this and they're like, that doesn't make any sense.
00:12:04.000But what we want to do is we want to get to them in place where they're matter of fact about what they read, which sounds like almost impossible for a lot of people who are listening right now.
00:14:43.000Michael Venom Page was at one point in time the best karate point fighters.
00:14:48.000And the way karate point fighters fight, they stop after one person gets hit.
00:14:53.000It's kind of like an elite form of tag with lethal weapons.
00:14:58.000Like these guys are fucking good at these launches forward and blitzes.
00:15:03.000And they're really good at getting out of the way because guys are blitzing at them all the time.
00:15:07.000So because of the style of the competition, they developed this very unique skill set of being able to close the distance extremely fast with a lot of distance in between them and land very unpredictable shots.
00:17:10.000This is Raymond Daniels, who's also, he was an elite point fighter who then went on and had big success in Glory and also big success in Bellator because of that style.
00:21:29.000You know, MVP lost in he fought Douglas Lima in Bellator and got stopped in that fight because Douglas was a beast at the time and KO'd him.
00:21:39.000But it's just like, that is a different puzzle, man.
00:23:10.000Like the too far to like the woo-woo or too far to like, hey, I'm going to follow this textbook where really this work is, it's art at the end of the day, what we're doing.
00:23:18.000It's like it's a, it's something you feel your way through and it requires years and years of practice to get to any level of mastery.
00:24:28.000One of the things that happens in jiu-jitsu when guys first get started, like say if a guy has like maybe a distorted idea of how tough he is and he's like a big, strong, muscular guy, there's those in particular, for whatever reason, seem to have a real problem when they grapple with a really good guy where they get pinned down and then they get like side controlled and mounted and they start hyperventilating.
00:24:52.000I've seen it like several times from people that have never trained before, but they're real buff.
00:24:57.000And they maybe have this idea of who they are and that idea is getting shattered, like just shattered by a guy that doesn't even look impressive, you know, but he's just manhandling you.
00:25:06.000And the hyperventilating thing to me seems like a bunch of stuff.
00:25:35.000And so if your belief is being destroyed that moment, that's what creates that domino effect of the body and the nervous system reacting the way it does.
00:26:22.000I feel like that's an example of how belief can actually break reality of what's supposed to be possible, right?
00:26:28.000Well, it certainly broke it in the eyes of his doctor.
00:26:31.000His doctor, when they first saw his knees, because he didn't go in for anything for a long time, when the doctor first saw his knees, he was like, I can't believe you can walk on these legs.
00:27:33.000But what he's doing is he's carrying a torch for the human will in a way that very few people have ever done it because he's doing it publicly.
00:28:35.000But I'm saying it's kind of crazy that this guy can, at 50 years old, can have these endurance workouts with world-class MMA fighters like Israel Adesanya.
00:28:44.000And he's got Izzy throwing up in a bucket and he's not even breathing heavy.
00:28:49.000And he does like multiple of those workouts a day in silence.
00:29:06.000I would say most people, almost everyone else in the world, they don't have the ability to build that level of belief through their willpower.
00:29:14.000I don't know if they don't have the ability, but they don't do it.
00:29:54.000Like he's literally learning more about himself while he's doing this.
00:29:59.000So why do you think millions of people read his book and then such a small percentage of people can kind of replicate that example he's setting?
00:30:06.000I don't think you want to replicate it.
00:30:08.000Not to his degree, but to any degree, right?
00:30:10.000Yeah, I think it exercises moves what your water line is, right?
00:30:16.000It moves what you expect of yourself, moves that up a few notches because you know a guy like that's out there.
00:30:22.000If you didn't think a guy like that's out there and you worked out the why three days a week and no one else did, you'd probably be impressed with yourself.
00:30:28.000You know, I'm out that fucking why three days a week using the Nautilus machine.
00:30:32.000It's all in who you're comparing yourself to.
00:30:35.000And, you know, obviously I can't compare to David Goggins, but when I know that a guy like that is out there in the world, it raises my own personal standard up a notch.
00:30:55.000But him doing that has like raised mine.
00:30:58.000When I look at like Jocko's Instagram and every day it says 4.30 on his Time X, he like shows his, you know, he's got one of those, what is that watch called?
00:31:07.000What's that watch that he has that everybody wears?
00:31:52.000And that's what really I want to drive home for anyone who's listening to this is that you can build belief and it's not just banging your head against the wall.
00:36:01.000He'd be like, all right, I want you to imagine breathing up your governing meridian and your central meridian, which is like right on your spinal cord and up the center line of your body.
00:36:08.000He's like, all right, breathe in deeply here.
00:36:28.000But it's like the root part of your body, the primal, you know, ball sack area down there, the gooch.
00:36:34.000If you can start to breathe into that area of your body, you will feel more grounded and you can actually become more grounded.
00:36:39.000So I started using these techniques just to play football.
00:36:42.000And by doing so, I was like, I don't really care about studying the system super in depth, but I was just taking the tools that were useful to me.
00:36:50.000Like literally use these and use them to get stronger, like to bench press more.
00:36:54.000It was just breathing techniques along with visualization.
00:36:57.000And they're just following this ancient Eastern medicine.
00:37:00.000How did breathing techniques help your bench?
00:37:07.000You put your tongue behind your teeth and you can start to breathe in deeply.
00:37:12.000And if you start to visualize, bringing energy down through the crown of your head and then meeting it kind of like in the just below your belly button there, you can just start to build more energy, more power.
00:37:44.000I was just stacking what was known as like basic PET lab imagery, P-E-T-T-L-E-P imagery, along with these breathing techniques and visualizing a specific way.
00:37:54.000Oh, I thought that when they say visualization helps performance, I thought it was like long-term.
00:38:00.000I didn't think it was like right before they did a thing.
00:38:03.000I thought I thought it was like part of training.
00:38:06.000I think, okay, so there's two types, right?
00:38:08.000So there's like, for example, there's literally a study you could look up and it's like a bicep curl.
00:38:47.000For like a fighter, for example, like this is what I'm training my guys.
00:38:50.000When we go into fight camp, every single time, we're just training the subconscious to be comfortable being in the setting and just training the subconscious mind, right?
00:39:00.000We're just wiring, just digging in those grooves of like, this is what it's going to feel like.
00:39:04.000This is going to be the experience and just wiring it in a way of having success.
00:39:09.000And then what I do is I notice, I'm like, how do you feel?
00:39:31.000Well, I have this memory that's created this scar tissue within my nervous system right now because this has happened before that I believe if I try to do this, then something bad is going to happen.
00:40:07.000There's a bunch of them out there, though.
00:40:08.000Study whether mental training alone can produce a gain in muscular strength.
00:40:12.00030 male university athletes, including football, basketball, and rugby players, were randomly assigned to perform mental training of their hip flexor muscles to use weight machines to physically exercise their hip flexors or to form a control group which received neither mental nor physical training.
00:40:28.000The hip strength of each group was measured Before and after training, physical strength was increased by 24% through mental practice.
00:40:36.000Strength was also increased through physical training by 28%, but did not change significantly in the control condition, whatever that means.
00:40:45.000That just means that people didn't do anything.
00:40:46.000They didn't visualize and they didn't do that.
00:40:52.000I thought they were saying a different thing.
00:40:55.000The strength gain was greatest amongst football players.
00:40:57.000Given mental training, mental and physical training, produced similar decreases in heart rate and both yielded a marginal reduction in systolic blood pressure, the results support, the related findings of whoever that is, that giant name.
00:41:34.000They're kind of maintaining that strength, I imagine, as long as they continue to do the visualization.
00:41:38.000Yeah, I wonder, you know, that's the thing is like most people that go to the gym, like most people who are listening to this have regular jobs.
00:41:45.000If they go to the gym, they don't go visualize.
00:41:48.000Yeah, this is peak performance stuff we're talking about.
00:42:19.000I got a research grant just to look at the effect of using some of these techniques on bench pressing performance and also decreasing anxiety.
00:42:26.000Because for me, I realized when I was 18, 19, I had crazy anxiety.
00:42:29.000I was like, all right, this stuff is helping.
00:42:32.000You know, call it meditation, hypnosis, whatever you mean.
00:42:35.000If you can progressively relax yourself, right, sitting in a flow tank, right?
00:42:38.000If you can just do that, if you can progressively relax yourself, your anxiety is going to go down.
00:42:42.000Your cortisol levels are going to go down.
00:43:00.000Every single time, if I can relax them enough and I can get to the root emotional core of whatever is creating this pain for them, and it's usually emotional.
00:43:09.000It's actually like a memory or some kind of mental block, like the governor is coming in, right?
00:43:15.000I'll see some guys in like the lower minor leagues.
00:43:17.000He's trying to go up to the major leagues.
00:43:19.000And it's like these things will just start to express themselves when they're just about to get to that next level.
00:43:24.000And if we can move through the emotional side of it, the pain disappears.
00:43:29.000Right, but not in all injuries, right?
00:43:31.000Like there's got to be like legitimate injuries where guys blow their meniscus out, guys have broken shin bones that have to be reconstructed.
00:44:06.000So yeah, we got to be specific, right?
00:44:08.000So you're talking about like weird stuff that does come up where they're almost like psychosomatic injuries because guys are responding badly to the pressure.
00:45:17.000It's like, well, why is this coming up now?
00:45:19.000And usually there's always like some kind of route.
00:45:22.000And if we can get to it, we can relieve it.
00:45:24.000I bet there's a lot of guys too that have, if you think about making a living with your body, you make a living in a sport with your body where you're putting your body through explosive movements that could blow joints out.
00:45:34.000So there's always this anxiety that all could go away.
00:45:41.000I mean, look at people all the time lose their careers in football and in martial arts because they blow a knee out or they blow their back apart.
00:45:50.000Bro, there's only like 10 core beliefs that create fear in athletes I've seen.
00:46:54.000But Anderson was never the same after his.
00:46:57.000Tyrone Spong was never the same after his.
00:47:00.000Widemann was never the same after his.
00:47:02.000It's just, and psychologically, it's got to be fucking crazy to think that you threw a super powerful kick that broke your own leg in half.
00:47:11.000And now you're expected, you went through a year and a half of hell to try to just get to the point where you can hit paths again.
00:48:20.000To come back from that is very hard because we're talking about the anxiety of always worrying about getting injured and then you get injured from maybe a kick you through or Tim Sylvia Frank Muir.
00:48:30.000Frank Muir broke his arm or Frank Muir Minotaro, his spiral fracture from that Kimura.
00:48:36.000Like, coming back from something like that is really hard.
00:48:42.000But what do you do for a fighter when you're trying to rebuild them?
00:48:46.000Do you take each fighter as a unique project and you just want to know everything about them and what bothers them about themselves?
00:48:58.000What bothers them about their discipline?
00:49:02.000It's going to sound woo-woo, but I also want to contextualize it with the fact that I didn't believe in anything.
00:49:08.000It's just my experience of doing this stuff for 17 years now and just seeing and feeling my way into this art that now I speak about things that the old me 15 years ago, 20 years ago, would be like, shut the fuck up.
00:49:36.000They're no longer trying to like keep me out, defend, keep up this like identity they want to project into the world so they can actually get to the insecurities because I don't touch any of the beliefs that are working for them.
00:49:49.000If someone has positive beliefs, they're successful, I don't touch any of that stuff.
00:49:52.000All I'm trying to find is their insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubt.
00:49:57.000And so I'm just digging deeper and deeper into their body until we start to think about things they want to achieve.
00:50:03.000And it's like, ooh, what was twitchy there?
00:50:58.000And then I didn't go on and get a secondary degree.
00:51:00.000So I studied that, I created my own degree and went to a liberal arts school in LA.
00:51:04.000The mental aspect to human performance, but everything I was learning that was helping me and my teammates, I was learning outside of school.
00:51:10.000So I was like, I'm not going to go get spend $200,000 in getting a secondary degree when I'm learning everything else outside of school.
00:51:16.000So I've just continued to go to workshops, learn, study with different people who know how to do different techniques.
00:51:23.000And that's how I learn very kinesthetically.
00:51:25.000In the same way that if you're doing martial arts, you're just trying to go to as many masks as you can.
00:51:29.000This guy jiu-jitsu, this guy kickboxing.
00:51:32.000I've gone and tried to find different people who are really good at what they do.
00:51:35.000And that's how I learn through doing and actually experiencing the work of myself first.
00:51:39.000If it works for me, then I try it on my clients.
00:51:42.000If it works for them, I just keep it going.
00:51:43.000And I just, I don't have one technique.
00:51:45.000I use many different techniques, whatever the moment calls for, that's what I use.
00:51:50.000Are there even degrees that you could get in human performance that would sort of match the kind of studying that you're doing?
00:51:57.000Is there anything like if you went to a major university, do they consider human mental performance and human performance, whether it's in athletics or chess or anything like that, where you have to really think through things and deal with pressure?
00:52:21.000Like sports psychology versus human performance.
00:52:24.000When you think about this conversation that you and I are having, one of the things that we're talking about is how important it is to have a mindset that allows you to work your way through difficulties and become successful at a thing and just get out of your own way.
00:53:11.000You've had days where you felt amazing and you performed amazing, and then you've had days where you doubted yourself and you fucked up and you dropped the ball or whatever you did.
00:53:21.000There's this weird battle that goes on in the head and it's all it has a giant result, whatever's going on in your head and how you perform.
00:53:30.000And you always talk about where do ideas come from, right?
00:53:33.000Like where do they magically come from?
00:53:35.000I don't know where they come from exactly, but I know how they're getting filtered.
00:53:39.000And it's just through the beliefs because our belief system deletes, distorts, and generalizes information.
00:53:44.000And the fact that nobody, not nobody, but many people don't understand how that filtration works just limits so many of us from achieving what we want because we're literally like, you all know like the girl who's like dated an asshole and she's like, all men are assholes, right?
00:53:59.000She's deleting, distorting, generalizing like her best friend who's married to an incredible guy, right?
00:54:04.000But when you believe something, you literally shape the world to make it match it.
00:54:48.000There's an element that's going on there that's affecting reality itself.
00:54:54.000There's a weird exchange of energy between human beings and between reality itself that I don't think we figured out how to measure.
00:55:02.000I don't think it's as simple as, you know, life is a series of events and it all takes place randomly and good luck to the synchronicities are undeniable.
00:55:12.000Yeah, there's some stuff that's weird.
00:55:14.000There's some stuff that's weird that makes me think without going full woo-woo, maybe we just don't have a grasp of the full spectrum of all the things that are happening, of all the factors at play, and how many of them have to deal with, you know, we would air quote, energy.
00:55:51.000So I just want my beliefs to push me or pull me towards the things that I want because it's going to lead to me behaving in a way that gets to an outcome.
00:56:44.000Because most people cut themselves off at like the head and they just stay in the thoughts, the negative thoughts, but they don't actually go into the feeling.
00:57:12.000And you can start to start, you can start to see your beliefs by connecting those dots of like, all right, why is that making me feel angry?
00:57:19.000So you have to feel first and then notice what you're focusing on.
00:57:22.000And then you start to come into this feeling of, all right, well, I'm seeing it, right?
00:57:44.000Your mind just picks up on these patterns of repetition.
00:57:47.000Just like striking a bag, just like anything else.
00:57:50.000If you do something over and over again, right?
00:57:51.000You say the same things to yourself over and over again.
00:57:54.000The repetition starts to make its way down to the subconscious level.
00:57:57.000Well, Huberman talked about that, that area of the brain that actually grows larger when you do things you don't want to do and you build discipline.
00:58:40.000He has this loss, but he's already a beast of a human being.
00:58:43.000When you're dealing with people that don't have any athletic background and, you know, maybe they just have a job and they just have no fucking confidence, but they're sick of it.
00:58:51.000They're sick of like living life in this anxiety pit of despair and they want to find a way out.
00:58:57.000There's got to be like multiple different things that have to happen, right?
00:59:00.000So it's not just the way you think, but there's also like actions.
00:59:10.000The next set of actions, the next week, step into awareness of what you're feeling and what are you focusing on that makes you feel the way.
00:59:18.000But do you feel like this is all possible for someone to achieve without some kind of physical exercise in coordination with it?
00:59:27.000Because what kind of exercise are you talking about?
00:59:29.000It seems to me that people with depression in particular, like one of the best cures for depression is regular exercise, any kind of exercise.
00:59:37.000Whether it's, you know, fucking go jog around the lake, whatever you want to do.
00:59:42.000Well, listen, even before any of this is low-hanging fruits.
00:59:44.000Like in the book, I have people do an intake of their life.
00:59:47.000And I have them also kind of just look at all the low-hanging fruit of like, if you're drinking vodka bottles at 7 a.m. in the morning, like that's a low-hanging fruit you need to start to find a way through.
01:00:59.000And the reason why I believe this, one of the reasons why I believe this, it's like I've had some of like the best mindsets ever in my life after yoga classes and long stretching sessions where I'm working on something.
01:03:11.000Anytime you're trying to just like squeeze in, hold it in, hold it in, whether it's the inspiration you have, whether it's like, hey, I want to go play this sport, but I just never make time for it.
01:04:37.000Whether you're an athlete, whether you're creative.
01:04:40.000I mean, I think it applies to everyone.
01:04:41.000Like, the resistance is whatever is holding you back from following your natural inspiration.
01:04:46.000Well, I think a big part of that resistance is a fear of failure.
01:04:50.000There's a thing that hovers over people, that's fear of failure, and that actually keeps you from just doing the things that you need to do to be successful.
01:05:01.000You get afraid for whatever weird reason.
01:05:04.000It becomes a predominant fear in your head.
01:05:10.000So I ran like a big fitness channel when I was trying to make it before I started working with cool clients who were like Sean Brady and built a big fitness community.
01:05:19.000And I would see that like a mom who's not doing her exercise.
01:05:22.000And it's like, why don't you just do it?
01:05:26.000You go down into a subconscious find, oh, well, I believe that if I start working out, I won't have time to be the mom that I am right now.
01:07:06.000So for him at that elite level, it's going down and it's clearing out anything that comes up during camp.
01:07:12.000It might be, and this isn't actually Sean, but like I work with a lot of other fighters.
01:07:15.000And for them, it would be, oh, I'm losing in some of my sparring sessions.
01:07:20.000And so their confidence is actually going down because of that.
01:07:22.000And so it's literally reprogramming that belief inside of them.
01:07:25.000And this sounds woo-woo, but if you ever want to do a session, you'll actually be able to feel it with me.
01:07:29.000And what Happens is we transmute the energy to make them feel that it's okay to believe that even when they're losing and sparring, they're getting better.
01:07:39.000And so something just shifts inside of them.
01:07:41.000Instead of it creating a seed of doubt, when they're like working on something, they're drilling something and they're not winning everything.
01:07:57.000But that survival instinct or that goes, I should be winning everything, doesn't like that.
01:08:01.000And so sometimes we have to rewire those things.
01:08:03.000So that's what we're doing as we're going through camp: is like seeing what comes up, what's decreasing confidence, what are you dialed in everything?
01:08:10.000You know, I'm working with the other coaches as well and making sure, are they doing what you want them to do?
01:08:14.000And if they're not, what's going on here?
01:08:39.000It's an extreme intimacy because I talk about something in the book called The Core Wound.
01:08:44.000So the worst thing that ever happened to you is the worst thing that ever happened to you.
01:08:47.000But some people have, you know, they might have witnessed a murder or maybe they lost a parent when they were young, like something really bad.
01:08:53.000Another person might have been bullied when they're in the fourth grade and kicked out of a friend group.
01:08:57.000If we identify what that core wound is for them that fundamentally hurts their confidence to this day and we clear that out, we can exponentially increase just their confidence and their self-belief.
01:09:08.000But the only way we get there is they're telling me their deepest, darkest secret.
01:09:11.000Right, but how do you clear it out once you.
01:10:17.000We imagine him on the plane, and I have him sit, visualize being on the plane, and starting to get to that place of anxious where the thoughts, oh, the plane's going to crash.
01:10:26.000He knows it's irrational, but why is he feeling this anyway?
01:11:10.000I mean, they sound like very simple techniques, but it's something you have to experience.
01:11:14.000Yeah, but it would seem to me that it would be very difficult to get people to actually change their beliefs that easily.
01:11:21.000Like, the idea sounds solid, but the actual process of shifting how you view the world, depending upon the person, is like turning a battleship around.
01:11:42.000I mean, how do you, there's some things we can't explain, right?
01:11:45.000Like, how do you explain going through the veil in a psychedelic experience?
01:11:49.000It's something that you can't really explain when you come back on the other side.
01:11:54.000It's that kind of thing where it's like, when you're in the experience, it's like, how is this supposed to be possible?
01:11:58.000I explain the techniques irrationally, but like, what are you talking about?
01:12:01.000Same thing if you have this immense psychedelic experience and you're passing through the veil and you're seeing all these things, having this experience of interconnectedness, and you try to come back and you tell someone who's never had a psychedelic experience.
01:12:28.000That's why I like I put together the playbook.
01:12:29.000So I give people actual things that they can do because I understand not everyone's going to work with me one-to-one and be able to experience this.
01:12:35.000But people can do these simple exercises.
01:12:37.000People can audit their life and they can see some of the patterns of thinking and just the awareness of seeing some of the patterns you're thinking.
01:12:44.000If you study enough, you might be able to change it.
01:13:13.000In the present moment, I mean, you could think of it like I have all these tools I can use, and then I feel into what their issue is, and then I do my best with the tools I have to fix their issue.
01:13:23.000I'm just problem-solving at the moment.
01:13:26.000Does it feel weird to do that as a career?
01:13:30.000It feels like so much weight on your shoulders to try to help a person, like, especially try to help an elite athlete, like knowing what to say and how to get their mind tuned in right, and what to what to introduce, and whether or not this technique is effective.
01:13:47.000I just don't think I surrender to something bigger than myself.
01:13:50.000That's what I have to do: just allow how did you know that you could do it, though?
01:13:54.000Like, how did you know that this was going to be like really effective, especially on someone like a fighter, where it's like, this is a really complicated gig?
01:14:01.000Like, you really, you want to talk about a sport where you have to have your mind right?
01:14:05.000Like, there's no sport like fighting because any mistake you make, you're going to get headkicked.
01:14:10.000Yeah, well, I lose too sometimes, right?
01:14:13.000So, like, Wideman, I helped him come back his first fight back from after he broke his leg.
01:14:18.000And he said that's the best he's ever felt in his career going into a fight.
01:14:44.000And, you know, he came back, you know, he eventually reached a higher level than his first fight back, but he doesn't, you know, necessarily look like Chris Wideman when he beat Anderson Silva or Chris Watson.
01:15:01.000And these guys, it's like, if you're natural and he's natural, they get to a certain point where the body just can't keep up with the brain.
01:15:08.000Like the brain is so strong and they're so tough, but their body is not a 24-year-old's body anymore.
01:21:41.000I think that's the case with many, many things, including psychedelics, by the way.
01:21:47.000I think there's a lot of people that burn their house down.
01:21:49.000I think there's a lot of people that go really far and they lose their grip on reality and reality gets real slippery and they sort of try to redefine reality to fit their own narrative and they seem schizophrenic.
01:22:02.000I've seen that from multiple people that have taken too many psychedelics.
01:22:10.000But it's also everybody has their own specific way that they interact with the world.
01:22:21.000And if you're taking psychedelics to justify your specific way of interacting with the world, and then you start indoctrinating other people to your specific way of running the world.
01:22:34.000You try to have a branch off civilization.
01:22:37.000That's like this thing that happens to guys in particular.
01:22:40.000You don't see a lot of female guru psychedelic ladies, you know, or they're more like mother figures, but not like gurus.
01:22:56.000Or dick, depending on what you're into.
01:22:59.000Because the guy out here in Texas, in Austin, was there was a there's a building that Ron White loved called the One World Theater that we were actually in contract under contract for before I wound up buying the mothership.
01:23:22.000He was teaching yoga to folks in West Hollywood and slowly but surely formed a cult.
01:23:28.000And then after Waco, remember the Waco thing went down, everybody panicked and the cult awareness network apparently was like looking for him and looking into him because like a lot of the family was like, we lost my son.
01:23:40.000So then he decided to change his name and then he moved to Austin and he had his followers build him a theater so he could dance in front of them.
01:23:59.000The people that hated him at the end of the documentary, the people that said he was a giant scammer and he was a piece of shit and they wished they had never met him.
01:24:07.000They all said they had gone through this thing called the knowing.
01:24:11.000And the knowing was like he would withhold it from them.
01:24:14.000And a lot of them are like really upset.
01:24:18.000And it was this thing that he would do where he'd make them, I think they were on their knees and he would touch their face and tell them that it was going to happen.
01:24:25.000And they would all say the same thing.
01:24:28.000They would all say afterwards it was one of the most beautiful, the most beautiful experience of their life that they felt a complete total connection with God and it changed their worldview and their perception forever.
01:24:38.000Like it's available in your mind if you believe, if you truly believe.
01:24:44.000And they truly believe that this guy was like a legitimate mystic, that he was a legitimate guru.
01:24:50.000And because they believed that, even though this guy's a gay porn star and a hypnotist and a fucking psychopath, because they believed that when he put his hands on them, they felt it.
01:27:08.000For other people, like sometimes it's some sort of a life-changing revelation.
01:27:12.000For some people, it's like it's falling in love or having a child or there's something that happens that like rewires the way they see the world.
01:27:22.000And whatever those states are that are inside of us, I can't imagine why there's not courses at major universities studying how to access this stuff, studying how to achieve endogenous states of psychedelic experiences.
01:27:44.000Like James Nestor's book, when he talks about holotropic breathing and all these different things.
01:30:53.000No matter what happens, you're so calm because you've been getting your fucking legs yanked on and your neck yanked on and fucking taken down and side control crushed and getting arm triangled.
01:31:06.000Like no matter what you experience outside of that, your bar for what sucks is like your thing you do the most that sucks so hard is what you love.
01:34:56.000I kind of bummed out, and I hope they don't lose the relationship that they had with ESPN with all their MMA shows.
01:35:01.000I hope they don't go like, fuck them, they went to Paramount.
01:35:04.000I hope it's like a mutually beneficial thing.
01:35:06.000Like the UFC at least does some content still on ESPN because I think that's also a big factor in pulling people from like casual viewers that watch other sports that might occasionally watch a UFC fight and then they see like Dustin Poirier versus Max Holloway and they're like, holy shit.
01:36:28.000Like Murab is like a David Goggins in that respect, that he's so far down the path of pushing himself that it's almost like you're never going to catch him in that game.
01:36:41.000You know, like six months of not jerking off and staying off TikTok, I don't think that's even close to enough.
01:36:51.000I think what he's been doing has been really insane for a long time.
01:36:57.000Everybody that I talk to that's trained with that guy say he's fucking superhuman with his cardio.
01:37:02.000And his work ethic is through the roof, man.
01:37:05.000When DC went to see him the day after he won the title, he was out running.
01:37:12.000DC's filming his garage that his garage gym set up.
01:37:15.000He's like, this motherfucker is out running.
01:37:17.000He's out running the day after winning the world title in a spectacular five-round performance where he shows superhuman cardio, like superhuman pressure.
01:38:33.000It's like whatever he's doing in his training or whether he just has a like some people like Cain Velasquez had a natural cardio gift.
01:38:41.000I don't know what it is, but it's insane.
01:38:43.000He submitted Rodolfo Vieira multiple times World Jiu-Jitsu Jim, just exhausted the fuck out of him and guillotined him, which is just nuts to watch that guy tap.
01:38:59.000Like he doesn't even look like a real human.
01:39:01.000He looks like a cartoonish CGI version of what an elite MMA athlete looks like, just chiseled.
01:39:09.000And Fluffy doesn't look like that, covered in tattoos, you know, looks athletic, you know, looks tough, but Rodolfo Vieira is a that's him.
01:39:21.000I mean, you know, those photos of like what your girlfriend tells you not to worry about, damn what that one where he's got his sleeves down by his elbows in the lower, yeah, that one right there, bro.
01:39:49.000But to submit that guy was just one of the cra like if you had a if you had a bet in Vegas, you know, like if you were on draft sport, DraftKings Sportsbook and you bet Fluffy Hernandez to submit Rodolfo Vieira.
01:41:11.000So for a guy like you that's like a mental coach, I always like wonder, I'd like to you to like talk to that guy and maybe you can pass some of that on to everybody else.
01:41:37.000I give these guys these prompts and I just audit and I pull out all their beliefs.
01:41:41.000And it's super interesting to hear what beliefs create an elite performer and just hearing all the ones that are making them successful and all the ones that are causing them problems.
01:42:22.000My nose has been fucked since I was a little kid.
01:42:25.000So I never could breathe out of my nose.
01:42:27.000And then years of getting punched and kicked and getting head-butted and grasping glasses.
01:42:31.000I had it, I was going to the doctor because I was still sparring during COVID and I was going to the doctor and they were just telling me, oh, I think you have COVID.
01:44:09.000I haven't gotten into jiu-jitsu just because I was told by some of my friends that I could re-break my nose just by the pressure of people leaning on it all the time.
01:44:18.000I just don't want to get the surgery again.
01:44:19.000When I got my surgery, I was addicted, fully addicted to jiu-jitsu, so I waited six weeks and I started rolling again.
01:44:26.000I protected it and I told everybody that I was rolling with him, and I just got no surgery.
01:44:30.000So please don't cross-face me if you're trying to get a rear naked choke or something like that.
01:44:35.000There's certain guys that are real mean and they get your back and they'll fucking do this with their nose to get you to lift your chin up.
01:44:43.000They'll go forearm blade right into the nose, which I understand for competition.
01:44:47.000But for the gym, the problem is like you could really break a guy's nose and then fuck him up for the rest of his life until he gets it fixed.
01:45:05.000If I got it broken and it was a problem, I'd definitely 100% get it fixed again.
01:45:09.000The benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose, and I've talked to a ton of fighters about this.
01:45:14.000Some of them are like, I'll wait till after I'm done fighting.
01:45:16.000But Drekis Duplessis, who's defending his title this weekend, Tricus, he started his career with a fucked up nose in the UFC, and it really affected his cardio.
01:45:31.000For sure, he was getting better along the way, and for sure, he was figuring out how to tighten up, tighten up his techniques, and he's just an animal, right?
01:45:40.000But on top of that, having that nose fixed was a significant difference.
01:45:43.000He didn't have to have his mouth open all the time.
01:45:45.000That's an ideal way to breathe if you can just breathe through your nose, right?
01:45:48.000It limits your cardio in a significant way.
01:45:51.000I noticed like a 10% bump in cardio is what it felt like to me.
01:45:53.000Like I could feel the difference in being able to breathe out of my nose.
01:45:57.000And also to be able to bite down on your mouthpiece, like if you're really clamping down on something and you could still breathe perfectly.
01:46:46.000I worked out with a mouthpiece for a long time, like lifting.
01:46:49.000But I think there's a certain mouthpiece that they designed that sets your jaw in a certain way that it actually enhances your strength.
01:46:57.000There's like some sort of a connection between like having your jaw perfectly aligned and clamping down on this mouthpiece that allows you to actually lift more weight.
01:49:23.000And he said that without weed, he showed like it showed that I had a fair amount of like brain damage.
01:49:30.000Like my brain wasn't functioning like it would.
01:49:32.000When I smoked weed and went back in there, he said there was some kind of like neuroprotective effect where like I was, my brain was like registering as more healthy.
01:49:41.000Well, isn't part of the problem with CTE and any kind of brain issue in general?
01:49:47.000Part of the problem is inflammation, right?
01:52:04.000But it flies in the face of this very public narrative, which is pot is for lazy people, pot is for losers, pot's going to rot your brain, pot's going to make you stink, pot's going to make you an idiot.
01:52:57.000Like I almost like when I was smoking weed every day to be the guy who could be super fit, to be training boxing every day and like be achieving my business and smoke weed every day.
01:53:06.000Like I kind of took this like weird pride in it for some time as well.
01:53:09.000Bro, one of my favorite things to do was to smoke weed and hit the bag.
01:54:57.000If you're a person who was beaten by their parents and you were fucking mugged and then this happened to you and that happened to you and you got fucked over at work and now here you are there, like that's very different than a person who's had a lot of like success and been real lucky and got to a point and has a healthy mindset.
01:55:26.000If you're a real mess and you're like barely hanging on like to regular life, maybe freaking yourself out with potent THC is not the way to go.
01:55:36.000What I'm getting at is like, maybe as your journey progresses and you get healthy and you get more confident and strong and more successful, maybe then.
01:56:24.000It makes me more interested in, for sure, subjects that I have no understanding of that are fascinating, like cosmology.
01:56:33.000There's nothing like getting high and watching a space documentary just to try to put it into perspective, like what it is worth living in.
01:56:42.000What is the reality of the physical universe and its majesty that's above your head every day?
01:56:48.000Like that is, when you're high, you're like, how am I not paying attention to this?
01:56:52.000This is really a crazy thing that this is probably the most profound experience that a person could ever have in their life is like being on a planet going through space.
01:57:02.000And we completely take it for granted.
01:57:04.000I think to a degree, it's good to have some kind of cadence where you have something that allows you to kind of step back from yourself.
01:57:12.000It could be just meditative, like breathing exercises, yoga class, yeah, doing something or running.
01:57:18.000I think that's a lot of the high of running.
01:57:20.000You know, when people like really exert themselves, like you're just thinking about your breath, you're just getting after it, and you're five, six miles in, and when you're done, you're like, wow.
02:01:05.000You know, you just, you decide to close your eyes every night and you just disconnect from physical reality for hours at a time and it's necessary.
02:03:02.000I think, you know, there's a lot of doctors that they'll tell you, if they're being honest with you, that there comes a time when people die that it doesn't affect them the same anymore.
02:03:11.000You know, they're so used to people dying, especially like emergency room doctors dealing with like traumatic injuries.
02:03:17.000And you get accustomed to people dying.
02:03:20.000I think it's also the idea of like evil, though.
02:03:22.000You know, if you're watching something, you're seeing evil take place versus like for me when I watch MMA, I'm like, I know these guys.
02:06:16.000Yeah, then like a minute left or something.
02:06:18.000But that 12th round changed the course of the rematches because Tyson Fury realized that if he goes after Deontay and he gets him on his back foot, he doesn't fight as well.
02:06:25.000And so then he figured it out and he just took it to him.
02:06:28.000And then he took it to him in the second fight and took it to him in the third fight.
02:06:31.000But yeah, it's hard when you hear a guy like that make excuses, but you understand, you do more than anybody, the destruction of the belief system and how difficult it is for fighters to manage that.
02:06:42.000But if you do the work to rebuild it afterwards, you're stronger.
02:06:45.000Right, but you have to do the work, right?
02:06:47.000And for a lot of guys, again, they don't totally know where to start.
02:06:50.000Like, say if they have a camp and inside their camp, they have a trainer, they have the strength conditioning guy, they have different coaches for different aspects of their whatever they're doing, whether it's a stretch coach or a boxing coach or whatever it is.
02:07:04.000But they don't have a mental guy, you know?
02:07:06.000They don't have someone who works with you and really makes sure that your mind has the tools to manage itself out of there.
02:07:14.000Like, where do you, if you're a guy in your training, you know, let's any contender, and then he gets knocked out and he comes back from that knockout and you're rebuilding him, but he's got all these confidence issues now.
02:07:56.000Usually we try to stay in our head and escape that.
02:07:58.000It's about going into it, feeling, feeling, feeling into it, and then seeing what comes up there and even writing it down and just bringing it into awareness.
02:08:07.000Once you have awareness of it, then you can actually do something.
02:08:18.000It was a year, but with the high-performance playbook for eliminating mental barriers and scaling your career, relationships, and health.
02:08:27.000So did you think about like different approaches to like different kinds of occupations and different kinds of ways people are living their life and how it applies?
02:08:36.000So the first half of the book is my story.
02:10:42.000Then I started to get actually confidence from being able to help other people, which I didn't have before.
02:10:47.000I was never something, because football was like, okay, I wasn't great at it.
02:10:51.000But once I learned the skill, I actually started to build confidence and just learn to manage my own state, my anxiety, my performance anxiety, and just starting to feel confident.
02:11:01.000So for the first 10 years or so about knowing about this, probably first more like nine years, I was mostly using more elementary meditation techniques, some hypnosis, some NLP.
02:11:13.000It wasn't until I'd say about seven years ago that I started going deep into the beliefs.
02:11:19.000And that transformed my life in a major way.
02:11:22.000I mean, one thing I did recently was I had hypothyroidism and I was able to completely heal that naturally.
02:11:59.000There's some good red light therapy research out there for the thyroid.
02:12:02.000If you just put it on, there's a study that showed that people are able to cut their medication in half just by using the infrared light therapy.
02:12:32.000But for me, when I turned on that gene, right, epigenetics, I've turned on the gene for I didn't have to have this, but like my mom has it.
02:12:39.000And so I had the gene and I put it on through stress, through excessive caffeine and just a very stressful life in my mid-20s.
02:12:47.000So the way to turn it off was turn off the things that are associated with that stress response.
02:12:51.000So pulling out the caffeine just put me more on the parasympathetic nervous system, allowed me to relax more.
02:12:57.000And then, yeah, all this stuff and just noticing the fears come up when I pull away the things I like, right?
02:13:04.000The comfort of the food, the comfort of the caffeine, just all my things that I like, all the comfort and just seeing were the fears that came out through that and just recoding it, recoding it.
02:13:14.000This is going to sound very woo-woo, but I was taking the medication because, you know, if you ask a doctor, they tell you, you have to take this medication for the rest of your life.
02:13:20.000And they get mad that you even ask about what an alternative is.
02:13:30.000But there was actually an experience I had two years ago where a doctor wouldn't give me my medication, even though my blood didn't change.
02:13:37.000He said, oh, you're going to have to come back in here every three months.
02:13:40.000He tried to put me on like a subscription plan to pay more money just to keep getting it.
02:14:49.000I think there's a lot of things like that.
02:14:51.000Well, I wonder if that study that shows that visualization increases physical strength.
02:14:57.000Like, I really wonder If you have the ability to accentuate healing, if you just concentrate, like if you get an injury and the injury is going to heal, but if concentrating on that injury helps it heal more.
02:15:11.000But how many people actually do that, right?
02:16:47.000I mean, if you start going down this rabbit hole of seeing how many placebo studies have been done, that's why it's so hard to find drugs that actually work.
02:17:00.000Were randomly assigned to receive arthioscopic debridement, arthroscopic lavage or placebo surgery.
02:17:09.000Patients in a placebo group received skin incisions and underwent a similar debridement without insertion of the arthroscope.
02:17:18.000Patients and assessors of the outcome were blinded to the treatment group.
02:17:23.000Assignment outcomes were assessed at multiple points over a 24-month period with the use of five self-reported scores, three on scales for pain and two on scales for function.
02:17:33.000And one objective test of walking and stair climbing, a total of 165 patients completed the trial.
02:18:01.000Conclusions in this controlled trial involving patients with osteoarthritis of the knee, the outcomes after arthroscopic lavage or arthroscopic debridement were no better than those after a placebo procedure.