The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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00:00:11.000 So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got into office?

00:00:16.000 So I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager.

00:00:22.000 So I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit.

00:00:25.000 And so there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard.

00:00:33.000 And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it.

00:00:36.000 And I was like, what was that?

00:00:37.000 And they're like, eh, we can't really talk about it.

00:00:38.000 No one really wanted to address it.

00:00:40.000 And so from what I'd gathered, that had been likely a UAP.

00:00:46.000 And so that kind of was my perspective.

00:00:48.000 Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files.

00:00:50.000 And, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day.

00:00:54.000 So like for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens and perspective.

00:00:58.000 I'm like, you know, you never know if, you know, we're the only ones out there, essentially.

00:01:02.000 But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about, that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?

00:01:09.000 Because of the way that he was discussing it.

00:01:10.000 How did he, what did he say?

00:01:12.000 So he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status.

00:01:18.000 And he's like, I really can't discuss it.

00:01:20.000 We couldn't really like identify it, essentially, and it had outperformed them.

00:01:26.000 And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community.

00:01:34.000 Do you want to lose your security clearance?

00:01:36.000 What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career?

00:01:43.000 But doesn't he have instrumentation on his chat?

00:01:45.000 Well, at the time, right?

00:01:46.000 So it's an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it.

00:01:51.000 And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Matt Gates, and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

00:02:17.000 Interesting.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, so that was that, and like I'm happy to go into detail on that one, but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglin, how the military responded, me being a former service member, and then ultimately what I saw with the pushback of the military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

00:02:46.000 Do you think that it's possible that these are U.S. vehicles that are top secret?

00:02:51.000 I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the U.S. government has.

00:02:56.000 And I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm.

00:03:00.000 And of course, some information is going to be classified.

00:03:02.000 But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone, right, off back during the time of maybe cavemans.

00:03:26.000 So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet.

00:03:29.000 What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, what are these things?

00:03:39.000 And they keep saying interdimensional.

00:03:41.000 And then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things pre-existing, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy.

00:03:51.000 But at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.

00:04:12.000 So when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying?

00:04:18.000 Like what happened?

00:04:21.000 To, I guess, break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have.

00:04:31.000 Energy things.

00:04:33.000 Well, they call them interdimensional beings.

00:04:35.000 I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.

00:04:40.000 And that's not something that I came up with on my own.

00:04:43.000 That's based on stuff that we've seen.

00:04:45.000 That's based on information that we've been told.

00:04:49.000 And then also, too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion.

00:04:58.000 And I think the history that we currently know.

00:05:01.000 And that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know, you have the modern day Bible, you have this aspect of Bibles or books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics.

00:05:12.000 And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet.

00:05:22.000 And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know.

00:05:30.000 When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings, how do they know that?

00:05:38.000 That, so based on testimony, would be based on witnesses that have come forward.

00:05:49.000 And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.

00:06:07.000 That's very vague.

00:06:09.000 Yeah.

00:06:09.000 So unfortunately.

00:06:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:12.000 Look, have I seen a portal open?

00:06:14.000 No.

00:06:14.000 Have I seen a spaceship?

00:06:17.000 Personally, no.

00:06:18.000 Have I seen evidence of this?

00:06:20.000 Yes.

00:06:20.000 Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind?

00:06:27.000 Yes.

00:06:29.000 Is there historical significance to this?

00:06:32.000 Yes.

00:06:32.000 Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text?

00:06:40.000 Yes.

00:06:41.000 So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology?

00:06:46.000 Yes, to an extent.

00:06:47.000 And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech.

00:06:51.000 I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing.

00:06:54.000 But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I, with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact, and we can get into that story and what happened at Eglin in a second, but we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read-in authority on a special access program.

00:07:21.000 That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy, and that's a problem.

00:07:32.000 That's a big problem.

00:07:33.000 And so how do these people have the authority to do that?

00:07:37.000 I think it's been decades of classified secret information, then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered.

00:07:47.000 And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress and basically to an extent have gone rogue up until recently.

00:08:07.000 You're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.

00:08:11.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 So I want to bring it back to evidence.

00:08:14.000 You said that you've seen evidence.

00:08:16.000 Like what kind of evidence have you seen?

00:08:18.000 I have seen photos.

00:08:20.000 I have seen.

00:08:22.000 What have you seen photos of?

00:08:24.000 So I was in a skiff and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff, but what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.

00:08:36.000 It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are.

00:08:47.000 And they hide it from everybody else.

00:08:50.000 What I can tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something, to say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, that in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it.

00:09:12.000 And that's a problem.

00:09:13.000 We know that the U.S. government has not exactly been clean.

00:09:17.000 And a lot of what they've done with the American people specifically to the topic of UFOs.

00:09:21.000 You have to.

00:09:22.000 Which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there.

00:09:25.000 If you think about the motivation they had with Project Blue Book, when Jay Allen Hynek was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories.

00:09:35.000 And he ended up ultimately, though, after all of his investigations, becoming someone that was like, I think there's something here.

00:09:40.000 But that's true.

00:09:41.000 By the way, a lot of people might not necessarily go onto Google and look up that information, but you can actually look up the declassified reports from Project Blue Book.

00:09:49.000 What's also interesting, though, is when we're talking about tech, right?

00:09:52.000 The ability for this tech being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel, et cetera.

00:10:03.000 You know, it's look, I think everyone has a moral obligation to do what they think is right.

00:10:10.000 Okay.

00:10:10.000 And so if you're in a position of power and you see something wrong and you're not addressing it, I think, you know, this in itself, getting the truth out there for people to decide for themselves, I'm not telling you what to believe.

00:10:21.000 I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we are pushing for in regards to transparency.

00:10:26.000 I would like to see the federal government roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people.

00:10:34.000 And it's not even just the U.S. government.

00:10:35.000 I mean, there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this.

00:10:39.000 Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say, you know, I like I've heard it all.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, I've been to Mars.

00:10:46.000 You know, I have a chip in my brain off of stuff.

00:10:48.000 They all have chips.

00:10:49.000 We had this one guy that showed up that was like trying to give us a USB.

00:10:52.000 He's like, put this in your computer.

00:10:53.000 They're going to kill me for this.

00:10:54.000 And like, runs away.

00:10:55.000 And I'm like, I'm not putting that in my computer.

00:10:57.000 But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is, you know, there's been two members of Congress that are actually helping to lead out these investigations with me.

00:11:06.000 And the reason I say that is because up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations, that we were going to ruin our political careers.

00:11:18.000 And so, you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like, why wouldn't we ask these questions?

00:11:22.000 And also, too, if no one wants to touch it, like, there has to be something here, right?

00:11:25.000 And so in these investigations, I mean, the amount of people that will come up to us, very successful people to multiple members of Congress that believe the same thing, it's definitely changed in regards to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and all this.

00:11:25.000 Right.

00:11:40.000 And so what we're trying to do currently was there's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago, and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill.

00:11:47.000 But look, I think a lot of people say, well, this is a distraction from everything else happening in the country right now.

00:11:51.000 And all I'm simply trying to say is it's not a distraction.

00:11:54.000 The people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information, you have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Cash Patel.

00:12:04.000 They have been truly, in regards to our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out.

00:12:10.000 But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence communities, there isn't pushback.

00:12:14.000 And so part of the reason why the task force was formed pertaining to things like UAP, pertaining to things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations, is because even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies and be, if you will, the pit bull and the attack dog on trying to get this information released.

00:12:34.000 And to a lot of these agencies' credits, they've been extremely transparent.

00:12:37.000 And we have gotten wins specifically on the JFK stuff.

00:12:39.000 And we're still looking to declassify and ask specifically on the UAP topic.

00:12:43.000 What would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a known absolute not of this world craft from the American people or from the world?

00:12:54.000 Why would anybody think that that would be the smart thing to do is to limit the access of that information to a very small amount of people?

00:13:02.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: I think that part of the fear is that you have advisors that think that the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it.

00:13:11.000 There's this like protective complex.

00:13:14.000 But then also, too, I think when you are talking about these things, for a lot of people, I think that it kind of can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective.

00:13:27.000 And then also, too, an aspect Of, well, how do you even begin to explain it?

00:13:34.000 And all I'm going to say is, look, and we can go into some of the books that were removed from what we know as the modern day Bible, but I read through the book of Enoch multiple times.

00:13:44.000 And I'm not saying that these things are angels.

00:13:47.000 Okay, that's not at all what I'm saying.

00:13:49.000 But what I am saying is that depending on where you are in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not God exists.

00:13:56.000 Like, I believe in God, I'm a Christian.

00:13:59.000 There has to have been, and there's admissions that there were other creations that God made, but that we were the most prized creation.

00:14:08.000 And so I think that this can open up a bigger topic of discussion.

00:14:12.000 What I will say is that what's been interesting is, and I've had a mass array of people that have come in, right?

00:14:17.000 Like we have people that come in that claim that you can use this ability to basically dog whistle these things in from like a psychic ability.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, I've heard people say that.

00:14:27.000 And I think that there's some something there.

00:14:31.000 Otherwise, they wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video evidence that they have.

00:14:36.000 But then that also brings up the question of if these things are interdimensional, which we've had witnesses testify to to members of Congress, and that was all publicly out there.

00:14:45.000 That would then bring up the whole, well, if this is really transcending dimension, the power of what you say, thought, all of that.

00:14:55.000 And then, you know, you can look into our own government's declassified documents that the CIA had on different experiments.

00:15:00.000 I mean, you can literally, last week I was going through, actually on a Friday night, I've just put my son down, and I was going through some of the declassified.

00:15:07.000 You go to CIA.gov slash reading room and you can see all the declassified documents.

00:15:10.000 And so I believe it's called Stargate, and it was talking about, you know, the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically remote view and all that.

00:15:20.000 Why would our own government be looking into that if there wasn't something there?

00:15:24.000 And so I'm appreciative to all that information being publicly out there, but I think this whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound crazy when people actually have these questions, that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in existence.

00:15:35.000 And then also, too, they need to release information.

00:15:38.000 If I was going to play devil's advocate, I would say that the government would look into that to find out if there's anything there.

00:15:44.000 And that would probably take a long time if they're really being careful.

00:15:47.000 So if I was going to fund a program, if someone told me that there's some people in Russia that can remote view military sites in America, I'd be like, are you sure?

00:15:55.000 And they're like, yeah, yeah, there's a technique involved and we know the technique and we want to fund some sort of a study to see if we can do it.

00:16:02.000 I'm like, let's go.

00:16:03.000 What do you need?

00:16:04.000 Because if maybe it's real.

00:16:06.000 So I don't buy that they wouldn't spend money on it unless it's real.

00:16:11.000 I say they would spend money on it to find out.

00:16:14.000 If you're really looking out for national security, right?

00:16:17.000 You've got 300 and plus million people that you're responsible for.

00:16:21.000 You got to dot your I's and cross your T's. 0.97

00:16:24.000 And like, if I'm, you know, if I'm good at my job and I'm not an egomaniac, I'm going to go, maybe there's some shit I don't know. 0.93

00:16:33.000 Well, there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right?

00:16:36.000 And so if you look at all those declassified files, you know, you can pull up, and this is just wild, but there's one where I was looking through and they had basically, you know, the Coast Guard had called in.

00:16:45.000 There was a ship that they had been given information on that was running drugs.

00:16:49.000 And so they called in one of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates, coordinate coordinates of the ship and actually like basically locate these things.

00:16:56.000 And I actually was laughing because I was reading this off the website and I'm telling my husband, I'm like, imagine, you know, you're trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden you have some like weirdo at Langley in a basin.

00:17:07.000 They're like, nope, dude.

00:17:08.000 Like, did you use the coordinates?

00:17:09.000 You know, beat me up, Scotty.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, I don't know if they write things down or type them out or what, but I talked to Hal Putoff about it, and he said they used it to very specifically find the location of a downed Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts.

00:17:25.000 If you think about the area where this thing crashed, it's like remote wilderness, the middle of nowhere.

00:17:29.000 Russia hadn't found it yet.

00:17:31.000 Apparently, we found it first, according to Hal Putoff.

00:17:35.000 It's just because I haven't done it and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean it's not real.

00:17:40.000 And this is a problem with people. 0.98

00:17:42.000 They don't want to get duped and they don't want to look stupid. 0.99

00:17:46.000 They don't want to look naive. 0.99

00:17:48.000 And so they dismiss things.

00:17:49.000 They dismiss that there might be frequencies that you don't tune into all the time.

00:17:56.000 And someone might get really good at that.

00:17:59.000 And they might be able to See things remotely.

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00:19:09.000 Well, I think that this gets into the bigger discussion of what do we know, right?

00:19:13.000 Going back to some of these books that were moved.

00:19:16.000 There's a good podcast right now called The Autistic Tapes, and it talks about how some non-speaking or non-verbal autistic kids actually are exhibiting telepathy.

00:19:25.000 Needed telepathy tapes.

00:19:26.000 Yeah.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, sorry, the telepathy tapes.

00:19:28.000 Non-verbal autistic kids are exhibiting telepathy. 0.90

00:19:32.000 You know, this concept, again, if you were to talk about it 20 years ago, people will call you crazy.

00:19:36.000 But, you know, I think based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact that our own government's looked into it, based on the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information publicly available and it's out there.

00:19:48.000 And I think that there's something to it.

00:19:49.000 And so, you know, we're seeing, and we've heard, this is in non-classified settings, we've heard from people that have come forward that are saying, you know, we're being able to, via meditation, we're essentially like downloading information and we can communicate with these things.

00:20:04.000 Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt because we do get a lot of crazy people.

00:20:11.000 But when you have people that are high-level executives, very successful, clean-cut, not on drugs, are coming in and they're telling you this stuff.

00:20:18.000 And then, you know, you're kind of cross-referencing it with various people and intelligence agencies.

00:20:24.000 I just, I think that there's something there and we need to be at least open to hearing the discussion and the argument for these things.

00:20:30.000 Oh, for sure.

00:20:31.000 I mean, like I said, if there's a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service.

00:20:37.000 You're supposed to release that photograph.

00:20:39.000 There's no reason why a small group of people in the government should have photo-conclusive evidence that aliens are real.

00:20:46.000 And there's a over-classification aspect of this too, right?

00:20:50.000 Like if you're serving in the military and you're taking a photo on your personal device or a video on your personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government.

00:20:58.000 And either which way, I mean, there's been now so much stuff.

00:21:01.000 There's granted, there's been a lot of fake stuff put out there, but the stuff that is legitimate that we are seeing, the stuff that we had people testify to in our congressional hearings, I mean, that's not a joke.

00:21:09.000 And what's even more interesting to this is that I was actually able to talk to David Grush, who now is actually working with the task force to kind of chase down a lot of these leads in regards to some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech, right?

00:21:22.000 So in talking with him, again, not in a skiff, we were able to actually flesh out that prior to him testifying that he actually received very real threats against his life and his wife, his wife's life, he's a sound guy.

00:21:37.000 And then shortly after he testified, there's this massive smear operation that was launched against him to try to discredit his testimony.

00:21:44.000 And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't real or if he wasn't telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated effort to, you know, completely just disprove what he was trying to say or to discredit his actions and his testimony.

00:21:59.000 And so it is kind of coming full circle, right?

00:22:02.000 Going back to what the task force has been able to find out.

00:22:05.000 I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously, and we're doing this in addition to everything that we to everything else that we have to do as members of Congress, right?

00:22:15.000 So although I would love to just dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still have to balance it out.

00:22:21.000 And so I've, again, had some great investigators who are working with us on oversight, as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies.

00:22:28.000 And we are going to be asking For this information to be declassified, at least information that has been showed to us.

00:22:34.000 I think the first break in the wall was that 2017 New York Times report where they were talking about it in logical, sensible language that these things might be from another world.

00:22:47.000 But I think that movie that you're discussing, which is the age of disclosure, yeah, I haven't seen it.

00:22:51.000 Have you seen it?

00:22:52.000 It's very good.

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 It's very good.

00:22:54.000 It's very good, and it doesn't even have any like UFO footage.

00:22:57.000 I mean, maybe like a little bit.

00:22:58.000 It's just testimony.

00:22:59.000 It's just testimony.

00:23:00.000 And at the end of it, you kind of draw this conclusion: like, oh, this makes sense.

00:23:05.000 Like, this, what they're essentially saying is one of the problems is if they have been funding these secret programs, then for all these years, they've been misappropriating money.

00:23:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:15.000 And they've been lying to Congress.

00:23:16.000 And that's super illegal.

00:23:18.000 Very illegal, but you know.

00:23:20.000 It's not illegal.

00:23:20.000 Is Congress going to do anything about it?

00:23:22.000 Because it's not the first time.

00:23:23.000 Like, we have the ability.

00:23:24.000 And this is the most frustrating thing.

00:23:25.000 So, as a this is my second term in Congress now, but as a first term member of Congress, you know, when you, Joe, when you get elected to Congress, you would think that they would bring you in and they'd say, okay, this is how you do the legislation.

00:23:36.000 No, you get elected, you show up to kind of a crash course for about like a week and a half on, you know, how to not get in trouble with ethics.

00:23:42.000 And then you're basically wind and dined by lobbyists.

00:23:44.000 They don't actually tell you how to do the legislation.

00:23:46.000 Basically, the only rules that you're told are: never vote down a rule, which is a procedural motion to bring legislation to the floor, and don't really ever vote against your party.

00:23:54.000 Of which, within the first week, I broke both rules, and so I was on the naughty list per usual.

00:24:00.000 But the thing is-Tell you how to do it.

00:24:02.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:24:03.000 Well, they tell you basically those are the two rule rules, and don't go against that, and you won't have any issues.

00:24:07.000 Those are big-ass rules, though.

00:24:09.000 Yeah, because it's like, you know, you're supposed to represent your constituency.

00:24:12.000 So, if you have people calling your office saying, Don't you vote for this?

00:24:14.000 And then you vote against it.

00:24:15.000 It's like people forget that you're supposed to represent, right?

00:24:19.000 Representative instead of just do what the party wants.

00:24:22.000 But, you know, there is, there are mechanisms that have existed since Thomas Jefferson, who wrote our damn rule manual, that enable us to actually pass legislation and actually hold agencies and people accountable from a punitive perspective.

00:24:37.000 And I don't know if you were tracking, but like I brought a vote on the former attorney general for basically refusing to testify to Congress and respond to a subpoena.

00:24:46.000 And that was called inherent contempt.

00:24:48.000 And a lot of Congress is like, what the hell is inherent contempt?

00:24:50.000 It hadn't been done since the early 1900s.

00:24:53.000 And I actually read it in the rule manual.

00:24:55.000 And I read the rule manual twice.

00:24:56.000 So it's like so crazy what happens when you read books.

00:24:58.000 But we were able to find this out.

00:25:00.000 And it was a mechanism that Congress can use to actually basically send the sergeant-at-arms to go arrest people.

00:25:06.000 Geez.

00:25:07.000 Okay.

00:25:08.000 So one of the things that this documentary was calling for that I think is the only logical way to solve this is a mass amnesty for these people that misappropriated money and or whistleblowers.

00:25:22.000 Or whistleblowers.

00:25:23.000 Well, the whistleblowers thing is crazy.

00:25:24.000 Like they leave them alone.

00:25:26.000 Like, come on. 0.98

00:25:27.000 Of course, everybody should fucking know this stuff, guys. 0.98

00:25:30.000 The real crime is you keeping this secret from humanity. 0.99

00:25:33.000 That's the real crime. 0.99

00:25:35.000 The other stuff is horseshit. 0.97

00:25:35.000 Okay. 0.97

00:25:36.000 It's just interpretations of what you're writing down on paper.

00:25:40.000 You're making up rules.

00:25:42.000 But if you ask the general public how they feel this should go, a rational, normal person would say, there's no fucking way the defense contractor should be the only people who know that we're not alone. 1.00

00:25:54.000 Fuck you. 0.99

00:25:55.000 Especially when we're facing a massive deficit and you see that they're like the Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the audit and I don't know how many people are doing it. 1.00

00:26:01.000 Yeah, all that stuff is crazy.

00:26:02.000 But just for humanity, just for humanity, that is a giant piece of information that no one should have.

00:26:11.000 No one should secretly keep information that would change our entire perspective on our existence.

00:26:19.000 It's definitely wrong that it's happening for sure.

00:26:23.000 What I will tell you, though, is the issue that we have with bringing forward legislation that would give mass amnesty in parting to these people is that there are people within the intelligence community and within Congress on both sides that will try to, if you come forward with this, and I'll tell you a very prime example of this in a moment, that they will block it.

00:26:43.000 They don't want it to pass.

00:26:44.000 They will stop it from even coming to the floor.

00:26:47.000 They won't bring legislation that will address it because they want to keep this information secret.

00:26:50.000 So Representative Tim Burchett paid for.

00:26:53.000 But why do they want to keep the information secret?

00:26:55.000 Because I think that their mouthpiece is in control of the deep state.

00:26:58.000 And that's a thing.

00:26:59.000 And it exists on both sides.

00:27:01.000 So someone will come to them with marching point, marching orders.

00:27:04.000 100%.

00:27:04.000 Representative Tim Burchett, before I got elected, was kind of on his own little island in regards to the UAP stuff.

00:27:10.000 And he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100% a thing.

00:27:15.000 And that these defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon not passing off, it's all this, these black budget programs.

00:27:21.000 I mean, like, he will tell you, he's, again, been leading out this effort way before I got there.

00:27:26.000 He had a piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FAA to report and develop a different reporting, a different reporting procedure for UAP stuff.

00:27:36.000 And at the time, the chairman of Intel ensured that that legislation was not brought forward, that it was stopped.

00:27:42.000 The piece of legislation that actually passed out of the Senate really had no teeth to it.

00:27:46.000 And then Representative Burchett drew a primary challenger that was being backed by the chairman of Intel.

00:27:52.000 And so, you know, when you are touching these, it's like, you know, that meme where you have that stork that's like, don't touch this, and then the little foot comes out?

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 It's kind of like what we're doing.

00:28:01.000 And it's not exactly easy because you will take heat from both sides.

00:28:04.000 But there has been a good group that's been assembled that's bicameral, meaning it's both in the House and the Senate, and bipartisan, meaning both Democrats and Republicans are saying like, hey, this should actually happen.

00:28:14.000 Are they publicly talking about not releasing the information or is all this stuff done in secrecy?

00:28:20.000 It's done behind the scenes.

00:28:22.000 Because if they had to do it publicly, if they had to announce their position on it publicly, it would be very damaging, I think, to anybody's political career on the right or the left.

00:28:33.000 People would be pissed, right?

00:28:34.000 Well, they're pissed.

00:28:35.000 Because I'm pissed.

00:28:36.000 Because if they've had it for this long, I mean, if they really did recover something as early as 1947, excuse me.

00:28:47.000 Well, what I can tell you is for us specifically, we actually were made aware some people had come forward that said that they wanted to brief.

00:28:55.000 So about two years ago when all this kicked off, we had requested briefings from Arrow that's in charge of kind of compiling the investigative aspect of UAP stuff.

00:29:04.000 And by the way, from the get-go, even in talking to Arrow, I was like, this organization is literally a BS organization.

00:29:09.000 They're never going to tell us anything.

00:29:10.000 And every interaction that we had in the SCIF, I was like, this is a nothing burger.

00:29:14.000 But then these people came forward and said that they were actually denied, they were told to not brief our group specifically on this topic.

00:29:22.000 And that it was from, at the time, members of House leadership, but they wouldn't say who.

00:29:26.000 And so I actually went with another member of Congress and confronted multiple people and they all denied denying us access.

00:29:32.000 So it's done behind the scenes.

00:29:34.000 You'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up.

00:29:37.000 But what I can tell you is that with the new administration, specifically with the FBI, specifically with ODNI, we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have been stonewalled.

00:29:49.000 We were actually given briefings.

00:29:52.000 And so what I will tell you is we are going to push for the information that we sought to be out there for the American people to see.

00:29:57.000 So do you think that the whole idea of disclosure is maybe a multiple-step, very agonizing, frustratingly slow process rather than a big dump of all the information that they've had from Roswell to the Aztec one to there's a apparently there's a whole slew I don't know if it's Aztec I forget the name of it but there was a another during that same time period there was a really prominent UFO recovery thing

00:30:28.000 that was not as publicized as the one in Roswell.

00:30:31.000 The big mistake with the Roswell one was the newspaper printed it.

00:30:34.000 And so then they had to backtrack and then they had to do the press conference where they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon that didn't look anything like a UFO.

00:30:43.000 And then the Air Force was like, yeah, it was nothing.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, but meanwhile they flew the wreckage to right field.

00:30:48.000 They flew the wreckage and Truman met them there, supposedly.

00:30:52.000 Well, I can tell you in our hearing, we were actually notified, and you can pull this up.

00:30:57.000 I think it was one of the witnesses had talked about what had happened at Vandenberg Air Base where there was this thing that appeared over the base.

00:31:04.000 It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls into law enforcement from like hundreds of people.

00:31:09.000 And whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube with some weird thing in the center of it.

00:31:18.000 I actually had our witness draw this out.

00:31:20.000 This guy is sober as a priest.

00:31:22.000 I mean, he was a great pilot, and he's talking about all this.

00:31:26.000 And so, you know, you talk about this.

00:31:28.000 if it seems like a sci-fi movie but Based on the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason to believe that these people are lying.

00:31:33.000 Based on the evidence that I've seen from our own government, I think that there's something there that the American people deserve to have access to.

00:31:40.000 And so I've been, this is not just on this topic, but again, in other topics as well, this has been my perspective is transparency is what builds trust.

00:31:46.000 Other governments have revealed certain information on it.

00:31:49.000 To think that we are the only life form on this planet or in this galaxy, I think is a little bit crazy, given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists and that there's other creations.

00:32:01.000 But then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have this aspect of a certain religion that has been very controlled and I think rolled out in a certain aspect?

00:32:11.000 And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible, right?

00:32:20.000 Did Wes Huff, did he touch on that?

00:32:25.000 Did he talk about that?

00:32:27.000 Are there people that don't believe the book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible?

00:32:32.000 I don't remember how he discussed the missing books.

00:32:36.000 I think we brought it up, but I don't remember how.

00:32:38.000 That's the guy to talk to.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, so what from what I'm talking about?

00:32:40.000 That's the guy to talk to about.

00:32:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:42.000 Because you have to really understand the history of the Bible to be able to figure out what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament.

00:32:51.000 I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really, really know the history of it.

00:32:56.000 And it's very strange stuff.

00:32:58.000 Well, so from what I gather, and by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but just from my personal opinion on this.

00:33:05.000 So you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books of the Bible in total.

00:33:12.000 But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a mainline OG version of the Bible.

00:33:19.000 And then sometime in the fourth century, there was actually a group that came together and they removed certain books.

00:33:25.000 And the story goes that Revelations actually had replaced Enoch.

00:33:31.000 And so it's interesting because when you're looking kind of full circle on, you know, you hear the stuff that some of these people are talking about.

00:33:37.000 And then you see and you read the book of Enoch, which is a wild read, okay?

00:33:41.000 And then you look at kind of what our modern day description is of what angels and entities are versus what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and ability at that time.

00:33:50.000 I just, I think that there's a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well, why would they remove this information?

00:33:56.000 If it's truly, you know, written and part of the oldest Bible in the world, why would they then take it out and water it down?

00:34:03.000 And I'm not saying that you can't find God through the new Bible, right?

00:34:06.000 Like everyone's on their own spiritual journey, and I think everyone can pray and you can access God.

00:34:10.000 But I just find that very interesting.

00:34:12.000 And so what I will say is that I like to have the whole kind of picture in front of me.

00:34:18.000 And so I feel like to fully understand A through Z, you kind of have to be able to read it.

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00:35:48.000 Yeah, I just don't know about the history of it.

00:35:50.000 Is there any debate about the reality of that book?

00:35:56.000 Is there any debate about whether or not it was either fraudulent Or discredited or something.

00:36:02.000 The book of Enoch?

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 Like, why did they?

00:36:06.000 Because I know there was some kind of controversy that Wes Huff described.

00:36:09.000 I just can't remember it.

00:36:11.000 I just looked through a transcript real quick.

00:36:12.000 I didn't see you guys discussing Enoch.

00:36:14.000 We're discussing Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff like that.

00:36:17.000 I didn't see Enoch discussion.

00:36:19.000 No, it must have been me privately talking to him about something, another video that I watched.

00:36:25.000 The thing about what Wes Huff does that's so interesting is he really understands the history of the text, the language in which they use the names in which they chose.

00:36:38.000 And when he breaks it up, one of the things he told us that was the craziest was that the book of Isaiah was exactly the same in the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was a thousand years later.

00:36:47.000 They found one that was a thousand years older, and it was direct.

00:36:52.000 It was word for word, verbatim.

00:36:54.000 I'm like, that's bananas.

00:36:55.000 A thousand-year-old story that's exactly the same written that they didn't know there was a version of it a thousand years ago, and then they find it in these cases.

00:37:04.000 It's confirmed in text.

00:37:06.000 It's really weird.

00:37:06.000 It's nuts.

00:37:08.000 It's really, really weird stuff.

00:37:10.000 And the fact that this kid, you know, a shepherd kid, was able to even find these scrolls that they were set up and, you know, just has led to that point right in time where he finds this massive, basically admission that the Bible's real.

00:37:21.000 You can actually look into, you know, there's a new King James, and then you can actually look into the Catholic Bible as well that also has, they call them Apocrypha texts because the King James Bible doesn't acknowledge them.

00:37:32.000 But there are also other books that are not considered, you know, approved by the King James.

00:37:37.000 So look, I was on my mom's side, I was actually raised Catholic and then had my catechism, did all of it.

00:37:43.000 And then on my dad's side, I was raised Christian and then later on, a messianic Jew.

00:37:47.000 And so I feel like I kind of have like a good cross-section and I've been exposed to a lot of this growing up.

00:37:52.000 But it's definitely interesting.

00:37:53.000 And so, look, I don't tell people, like, I'm not saying that like aliens created mankind.

00:37:58.000 I don't believe that because I, at the end of the day, believe that God is responsible for our creation.

00:38:03.000 But I do think that what we've been programmed to believe in regards to our ability to be able to use our mind, the spiritual aspect of us, really does exist.

00:38:13.000 And I think that once you kind of remove yourself out of this basically rat race and you can like really reconnect with that, I think that that's when you kind of realize, hey, there's a bigger purpose here in life.

00:38:23.000 And like what is our end objective?

00:38:24.000 And if you're given a position of influence or a position of power and you're not doing the right thing for humanity, you're not guiding people, then that's something that you have to answer for.

00:38:32.000 So I want to make sure that I'm good with God.

00:38:34.000 I hear you.

00:38:35.000 That's a lot.

00:38:36.000 I think these stories, especially when you get to stories like Noah and the Ark, and that these stories exist in basically every religion, they're real similar.

00:38:47.000 They're real similar.

00:38:48.000 I think all of these people are trying to document a truth.

00:38:52.000 It's just what is that truth is where it gets weird.

00:38:56.000 And when it gets to like other gods and giants and giants created man and just crazy.

00:39:04.000 I know.

00:39:04.000 It's wild stuff.

00:39:06.000 If it's legitimate, it's wild stuff.

00:39:09.000 And then, do you know anything about the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant in it?

00:39:15.000 Yeah, I've looked into that.

00:39:15.000 I actually wanted to, and again, you're in the government.

00:39:18.000 You can like.

00:39:19.000 Yeah, so I actually wanted to do a Codel to just, but of course, like, we're focusing on other things right now.

00:39:25.000 I was like, I need to pay for this for myself, so we're not using tax-free dollars, but just go check it out.

00:39:29.000 What's interesting is the CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant.

00:39:33.000 I think the remote-viewed?

00:39:35.000 They remote viewed it.

00:39:36.000 You can actually find that.

00:39:37.000 You should actually know, not in Ethiopia, but it was in a Middle Eastern country.

00:39:41.000 They weren't able to locate the actual.

00:39:42.000 I think the New York Post did an article on it where they actually had the handwritten notes on the Ark of the Covenant location.

00:39:47.000 And they remote viewed it.

00:39:48.000 You should ask them to pull it up.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:50.000 I'm serious about it.

00:39:51.000 Did they go there and see if they weren't?

00:39:53.000 I don't know.

00:39:53.000 I don't know if they did.

00:39:54.000 This is like Indiana Jones.

00:39:56.000 Decades old CIA documents on Ark of the Covenant resurface amid classified group text spat.

00:40:00.000 What?

00:40:01.000 Wait, like, yeah.

00:40:03.000 It was a group text argument that caused this stuff to begin with.

00:40:06.000 No, check out, pull up the New York Post one because they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer that actually documents it.

00:40:12.000 Okay.

00:40:13.000 It should be.

00:40:14.000 I think it's like the New York Post.

00:40:16.000 That's so funny.

00:40:18.000 Oh, there you go.

00:40:19.000 Top one.

00:40:21.000 This is wild because it actually goes into descriptions of angels, too.

00:40:24.000 And so actually, so in Enoch, it talks about, well, if you scroll down, now that's that you can probably click on the scribed because it'll show you all the documents from the actual declassified file.

00:40:34.000 This is also on CIA.com.

00:40:35.000 What year was this?

00:40:36.000 This happened recently.

00:40:37.000 This was like a couple months ago that this just kind of came all out.

00:40:40.000 Right, but what year was this project?

00:40:42.000 1988.

00:40:43.000 88.

00:40:44.000 5 December 1988.

00:40:45.000 Wow.

00:40:45.000 So scroll down.

00:40:47.000 So in 88, they found the Ark of the Covenant.

00:40:49.000 Allegedly.

00:40:50.000 Allegedly, they remote viewed it.

00:40:51.000 We don't know if they bought it.

00:40:53.000 Who's president back then?

00:40:54.000 Reagan?

00:40:55.000 Go down.

00:40:56.000 Bush?

00:40:57.000 Sr.

00:40:58.000 Okay, so scroll down, and then you'll see that.

00:41:00.000 So this is like, so they're going through in the notes, you have to read it, but you can scroll down.

00:41:04.000 This is kind of.

00:41:04.000 So this is, he's like drawing where it is.

00:41:07.000 So you have like the different things that are describing it.

00:41:07.000 The remote viewer.

00:41:09.000 And if you keep going, you'll see like a cherubim.

00:41:13.000 Keep going.

00:41:14.000 It's like showing the peak of the.

00:41:15.000 No, wait, wait.

00:41:16.000 Sorry, go up a little bit.

00:41:17.000 So that's interesting because if you look into actual, so there's like a wheel text.

00:41:21.000 If you look into Enoch's description of angels and Ezekiel too, I think that that's kind of a tithe.

00:41:26.000 But go down more.

00:41:28.000 So, but yeah, you have like the actual here, purpose of container.

00:41:31.000 They should have like a cherubim drawing somewhere down here.

00:41:33.000 Oh, yeah, see, so that would be the seraphim.

00:41:36.000 So it's interesting.

00:41:37.000 The what?

00:41:37.000 The seraphim.

00:41:39.000 That's how it's opened.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, so basically when they describe the ark, and so he's going through describing it.

00:41:44.000 So these are the hand notes for it.

00:41:45.000 And then it actually says that it's in a Middle Eastern country.

00:41:48.000 The remote viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area.

00:41:52.000 I feel like I'm describing like an Indiana Jones movie, but this is actually from the CIA.

00:41:56.000 This image, scroll back to where that is.

00:41:59.000 What is that thing?

00:41:59.000 Is that the corner of the box?

00:42:01.000 The covenant.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, he's describing.

00:42:03.000 If you go up, and these are actually the handwritten notes on what was described by the remote viewer.

00:42:08.000 And you have to go through the entire document.

00:42:09.000 But yeah, that's what's described surrounding the Ark.

00:42:13.000 Do you know what they asked him to find?

00:42:15.000 Well, yeah, the Ark of the Covenant.

00:42:16.000 You can find it.

00:42:17.000 You have to go look for the Ark of the Covenant.

00:42:18.000 If you go higher up in the documents, it's over there.

00:42:20.000 Right.

00:42:20.000 But if you ask me to go look for the Ark of the Covenant, I know what I'm looking for, right?

00:42:27.000 Well, apparently these remote viewers.

00:42:29.000 And I draw what I think it's going to. 0.99

00:42:31.000 Show me that they fucking found it. 0.98

00:42:34.000 I don't know if they did, but they. 0.96

00:42:35.000 I don't know if they did either, but it's like, it's interesting, but it's not as interesting because you're saying, show me the Ark of the Covenant, right?

00:42:41.000 So he's drawing what we all saw in Indiana Jones.

00:42:44.000 Or can you locate it?

00:42:44.000 So the description.

00:42:45.000 Where was that?

00:42:46.000 That was before Indiana Jones?

00:42:48.000 No, it would have been the same time period.

00:42:50.000 When did Indiana Jones come out?

00:42:53.000 What a great idea.

00:42:53.000 The 90s, right?

00:42:55.000 I don't know.

00:42:56.000 I'm thinking.

00:42:57.000 And like the first two are the best.

00:42:59.000 Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first one.

00:43:00.000 That's the one.

00:43:02.000 What year was that?

00:43:03.000 1981.

00:43:04.000 Okay, so.

00:43:05.000 Precursor.

00:43:06.000 So that's seven years earlier.

00:43:08.000 Everybody saw that movie a hundred times.

00:43:10.000 You know what it looks like.

00:43:12.000 You know what the Ark looks like.

00:43:13.000 So if I tell you, go draw me the Ark, where is it at?

00:43:16.000 All we have is some scribbles on paper unless they actually went there and found it.

00:43:20.000 Well, what's interesting, and I should probably ask Radcliffe, be like, Radcliffe, can you tell me this?

00:43:25.000 I never looked into the Ark of the Covenant.

00:43:26.000 What are you saying, Jamie?

00:43:27.000 It says the mission is to access and describe the target identified by coordinate, and then there's coordinates.

00:43:32.000 The tasking is to see mission statement.

00:43:34.000 Training target is the Ark of the Covenant.

00:43:37.000 So they did say, go find us the Ark of the Covenant.

00:43:41.000 And then this dude apparently said keep AOL to a minimum.

00:43:46.000 What is that?

00:43:47.000 I saw that on the paper earlier.

00:43:47.000 I don't know.

00:43:49.000 I have to be careful with editing, though.

00:43:50.000 This does not seem to be a problem at this time.

00:43:53.000 Just something to watch for.

00:43:55.000 Attained excellent site contact.

00:43:57.000 Okay.

00:43:59.000 Definitely interesting.

00:44:00.000 Well, it's weird that they're talking about it like it's a real talent, like some can actually do it.

00:44:05.000 This is mosque domes.

00:44:07.000 Yeah, target is in a container.

00:44:08.000 This container is in another container.

00:44:10.000 It has another container inside of it.

00:44:12.000 The target is fashioned of wood, gold, and silver.

00:44:14.000 The target is similar in shape to AOL.

00:44:18.000 So that's that something of location, right?

00:44:21.000 Is that what it means?

00:44:22.000 Area of location.

00:44:23.000 Area of local.

00:44:23.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:44:24.000 Coffin, and it's decorated with the seraphim, C-sketch.

00:44:28.000 This target is located somewhere in the Middle East as the language spoken by individuals present seemed to be Arabic. 0.97

00:44:35.000 Well, wouldn't you want someone who could fucking decipher Arabic to do this?

00:44:41.000 We don't know how far it went, and I definitely have questions, but this would not be the first time that a government would have looked for something, especially because people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these abilities as a super weapon. 0.91

00:44:53.000 I know, but I'm saying the remote viewer is limited by his ability to understand the language.

00:44:58.000 Stop.

00:44:58.000 Scroll back up, please.

00:44:59.000 Yeah, right there.

00:45:00.000 So it's somewhere in the Middle East, visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area, the presence of mosque domes, individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and dark eyes.

00:45:14.000 One figure I honed it on wore a mustache.

00:45:17.000 The target is hidden underground, dark and wet were all aspects of the location of the target. 0.99

00:45:23.000 See, the only problem I ever have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all dictators and crazy people over there, if they found out that the Ark was there, they would fucking take it. 0.51

00:45:35.000 Well, I think there's this aspect of if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways because it would be protected, right? 0.92

00:45:43.000 That's what the Bible says.

00:45:46.000 It cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct.

00:45:48.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:45:50.000 Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple.

00:45:57.000 Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the container's protectors.

00:46:03.000 Well, it's interesting is remember in the Bible always talks about how there had to be through the use of a power unknown to us.

00:46:10.000 They melt you.

00:46:11.000 Bro, yeah.

00:46:11.000 Remember.

00:46:12.000 Well, so they had to, you know, go through this special process of being considered holy, basically, to access it.

00:46:19.000 So all that to say that there's something out there, right?

00:46:22.000 I think that obviously God's real, and this job has definitely, you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truths out there, if you will.

00:46:34.000 You need to get the truth of that thing out there.

00:46:36.000 They need to find that list.

00:46:38.000 Director Rogers, change if you found the actual Ark of the Covenant and you could explain a lot of things.

00:46:45.000 Like, look, if these Ethiopians have it, which Graham Hancock believes.

00:46:50.000 Allegedly they do.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, Bram Hancock believes that they do.

00:46:53.000 And he said that these guardians, they all get cataracts and they die of like radiation poisoning.

00:46:58.000 I mean, there's something to be said about the Ethiopian people as a whole.

00:47:03.000 And going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox text, actually, when I first launched this task force, I actually went and I met with an Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if you will, just to kind of see and explain and ask questions that I can't exactly go to, you know, the Smithsonian and ask.

00:47:17.000 And, you know, his response was interesting, especially from their perspective.

00:47:22.000 You know, you have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and gloom.

00:47:26.000 And then in the Ethiopian perspective, he's like, first of all, your timeline's wrong.

00:47:29.000 And I'm like, what do you mean your timeline?

00:47:31.000 He's like, well, the biblical text in modern day Christianity, it's a little bit off, right?

00:47:36.000 So we use a completely separate, I think it's 364 days out of the year.

00:47:40.000 And he's explaining all of it.

00:47:41.000 And he's like, but even then, so we don't have the perspective of, you know, we are in the end of days, et cetera.

00:47:49.000 But, you know, the way his perspective just seemed very optimistic as opposed to pessimistic and filtering and controlling information.

00:47:57.000 He's probably not online.

00:47:59.000 He's off X. He's off X. He's off X. He's off TikTok.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, he's not subjecting himself.

00:48:05.000 Newer posting about that says that the viewer was identified with a target and didn't know what it was.

00:48:10.000 And then he's not being the Ark of the Covenant after all the explanation they found.

00:48:14.000 Oh, well, that's much different.

00:48:17.000 So that whole thing at the end of it was what they were saying it was when they wrote it on that report.

00:48:23.000 It's just a bunch of words they're putting together.

00:48:25.000 Got it.

00:48:26.000 Hearing how put off talk about it.

00:48:28.000 Well, that's way more interesting.

00:48:29.000 If he didn't know what he was looking for and he found something that looked like the Ark of the Covenant, that's pretty crazy.

00:48:34.000 They kind of like talk them on, right?

00:48:35.000 They'll give them something and say, walk us through.

00:48:38.000 I'm just doing devil's advocate because I have no skin in the game.

00:48:42.000 I don't know if it's real or not real.

00:48:43.000 I'm open to it.

00:48:45.000 I think there's something going on.

00:48:46.000 I think there's more going on with people than we let on.

00:48:50.000 There's some extra thing that's happening with human beings, the way we're all connected to each other that we don't really totally understand.

00:48:57.000 And I think the idea that you can access information that's not local, I don't think that's that weird.

00:49:05.000 I think that might be an emerging aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that's atrophied.

00:49:12.000 Or just an aspect of spirituality that we've previously forgotten because we're in such a digital age that kind of programs you into the rat race.

00:49:19.000 And I think people, the more that they're kind of like, you know, there has to be more to life than just like a nine to five.

00:49:24.000 And, you know, working for this aspect of materialism, like, don't get me wrong, I like, you know, a nice car and a clean House and all that.

00:49:30.000 But, you know, there's also this aspect of, you know, being a human.

00:49:34.000 And like, you know, if you have kids, I think that's like one of the things like I have, you have a daughter, I have a son.

00:49:38.000 And it's like when you're a parent, it kind of like makes you realize like, wow, there's this aspect of like love that I didn't know existed before.

00:49:44.000 And you can kind of really be there and help, you know, grow this next human and influence that person.

00:49:49.000 And it just kind of the human experience is something that, you know, you can make it as special as you want.

00:49:56.000 And this aspect of, you know, us being able to have those little quantum breadcrumbs is what I like to call them.

00:50:01.000 Like if you ever, have you ever been like talking about something and like you'll go somewhere, hear something and there's like confirmation of what you've been talking about or, you know, something happens and you're like, you know, asking a question, then all of a sudden it pops up, kind of there's the answer.

00:50:13.000 And I think that those little things just mean you're on the right path and doing what you're supposed to do in this bigger picture.

00:50:18.000 Yeah, well, it's a good way to live life if you believe that.

00:50:20.000 It's healthy, smart.

00:50:22.000 It's like a good strategy.

00:50:24.000 I wonder like why some people seem to have like the idea of it being an emerging aspect of human consciousness, our ability to like sense things and know things that are going to happen or our premonition or know someone's a liar or a weirdo like instantly.

00:50:45.000 I always wonder if is it that or is it that we used to have that like before language, that's all we had?

00:50:54.000 I think that before tech really evolved, there was a bigger aspect of spirituality that actually talks about that.

00:51:01.000 So like discernment in the Bible, you can talk about, you know, this aspect of being, people say like, oh, if someone has like really bad energy, you're picking up on it.

00:51:09.000 There's something to that.

00:51:11.000 But I think that because, and it's really happened, I think in the last like 40 years where people are kind of forgetting that.

00:51:17.000 But when you actually go back to like, for example, we're talking just now about the Ark of the Covenant, the Ethiopian Orthodox text and all this, there's more of that aspect of spirituality that I think has been removed from society.

00:51:27.000 I think it's actually taken away our ability to really respect one another and value human life.

00:51:34.000 And I think that that, you know, from like a politico perspective, influences decision.

00:51:38.000 Like you get really pro-war people.

00:51:40.000 Those people are usually not that spiritual and they really don't have a value for life in that aspect.

00:51:44.000 Yeah, no, that's definitely a real thing.

00:51:47.000 That's unfortunate.

00:51:51.000 And the fact that those are the type of people that always want to be in power. 0.82

00:51:54.000 They are.

00:51:54.000 They're the worst type.

00:51:56.000 That's probably the scariest part of it.

00:51:58.000 I have, I actually had a really groundbreaking conversation. 0.99

00:52:03.000 So like the way I'll describe Congress is you ever have like a job where 80% of it, 90% of it's just like really eating shit. 0.98

00:52:10.000 And then like the 10% is like really cool. 0.97

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 And it makes up for that like 80, 90%.

00:52:15.000 They're just like, that's when I hosted Fear Factor.

00:52:18.000 Okay, so yeah, that aspect of, I think really exists in politics if you like actually care.

00:52:24.000 And I had a meeting recently where I was with two other members of Congress that were helping me with the JFK investigation.

00:52:32.000 And we actually met for the first time since 1990 with the ambassador to the Russian government.

00:52:38.000 And I bring that up because at the time of the JFK assassination, the KGB had actually come forward with their own independent investigation.

00:52:46.000 And they actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to U.S. officials.

00:52:50.000 We never got those documents.

00:52:52.000 And it's my belief that the CIA actually destroyed that information and evidence because it would have confirmed what this, the KGB.

00:52:58.000 And mind you, at the time, JFK was actually in talks with the president of Russia at that time.

00:53:03.000 And his perspective is that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between the U.S. government and the Russian government to the moon.

00:53:08.000 And there are aspects and divisions within the intelligence community.

00:53:11.000 You obviously saw the Cold War was happening.

00:53:13.000 They wanted war in Cuba.

00:53:14.000 They wanted war with Russia.

00:53:15.000 So for them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer and how dare he talk to these dirty communists, I mean, that in itself would have given them any ammunition to turn a blind eye or at least not fully figure out who assassinated Kennedy.

00:53:32.000 But I bring that up to say that, you know, when you have these people in power, you know, you can see a lot of it in regards to there's a summit on the 15th actually with President Trump and Vladimir Putin.

00:53:41.000 And I think the aspect of, you know, anytime you have peace and trade, it's way better than war for everyone involved, for the people of Ukraine, for Russia, for the American people.

00:53:50.000 And I think for the surrounding regions, like I recently got back from meeting with government officials in Romania and Moldova, and it didn't matter if, and I actually met an actual member of the Moldovan government who was a communist, like an outward communist.

00:54:03.000 And it didn't matter who I talked to, everyone wanted peace.

00:54:06.000 And then when we had met with the European Parliament and the EU, some of them wanted peace, but then the countries that had the shittiest economies, excuse my language, they were the ones that were advocating for war.

00:54:17.000 Well, you have a war-based economy.

00:54:19.000 It always helps your economy.

00:54:20.000 So if you have terrible policy perspectives, obviously you would advocate for something like that.

00:54:24.000 But it just goes to show that the people that are going through it, the people that are living it that are directly impacted, no one would advocate for war.

00:54:30.000 And so in even just having this conversation, you know, a lot of people, even, you know, two administration ago, maybe two administrations ago, probably would not have had that conversation.

00:54:42.000 But to be able to develop that dialogue, the end result of that meeting was the Russian government agreed to release their investigation onto JFK that the previous Congressional Task Force in the 90s had tried to obtain from the Russian government, and they said no.

00:54:56.000 So they agreed to release that, and they'll be posting it publicly for the American people to go through later on this fall.

00:55:01.000 Have you seen it yet?

00:55:02.000 I haven't.

00:55:03.000 So I'll be seeing at the same time everyone else.

00:55:05.000 What do you think is in there?

00:55:06.000 If you had a guess.

00:55:07.000 So when I was talking to the ambassador, he's actually a history buff too.

00:55:12.000 And so he had actually said that the Russian government, when Oswald was actually in Russia, had done a psychological profile because they thought, you know, they're like, is this guy part of American intelligence?

00:55:22.000 Like, what's his story? 0.89

00:55:23.000 And they thought he was basically nuts. 1.00

00:55:25.000 And apparently he had tried to go hunting when he was out there and they were observing him and he couldn't shoot for shit. 0.99

00:55:31.000 So they're like, you know, he didn't meet our psychological profile. 0.99

00:55:34.000 Then he shows up to the Russian embassy in Mexico City with a gun and they're like, what the hell is it?

00:55:39.000 Like crazy guys showing up at that, like, what's going on?

00:55:43.000 And then we find out simultaneously as this is all happening that the CIA, kudos to Director Radcliffe, had actually released something called the Joe Nides file.

00:55:52.000 And George Joe Nides was actually, he's basically our version of James Bond, but more corrupt.

00:55:58.000 And he was basically observing Oswald.

00:56:01.000 He had lied to Congress.

00:56:02.000 This was all in his file.

00:56:03.000 He was then the CIA liaison to Congress during the investigations, stonewalled their investigations, was later awarded something from the CIA.

00:56:11.000 So we have the CIA admitting that they lied to Congress, covered up the assassination attack, or covered up the investigations.

00:56:18.000 We had admissions from the Warren Commission, people that had been subject to the Warren Commission's investigation saying that the Warren Commission engaged in witness intimidation.

00:56:27.000 They omitted evidence.

00:56:28.000 The single bullet theory never exists.

00:56:30.000 The CIA admits that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a lone gunman.

00:56:34.000 People ask, well, you know, does this mean that you'll ever get the name of who killed him?

00:56:38.000 No, because I don't think the CIA was like, kill JFK on this day and use this gun and have this person assigned.

00:56:43.000 But there was evidence of multiple shooters for sure.

00:56:45.000 Well, there had to be multiple shooters.

00:56:49.000 There's injuries, like one of them was the front of his neck.

00:56:51.000 We had testimony to that.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:53.000 And actually, what's interesting is when we first launched the task force, we had left-leaning news outlets that were trying to write hit pieces saying that I was basically launching a conspiracy theory task force.

00:57:06.000 And they had to print the truth weeks ago.

00:57:08.000 You can actually pull up...

00:57:15.000 Is it a comfort thing?

00:57:17.000 Is it you think you're going to erode trust in the government?

00:57:20.000 Is it you just have such a rigid worldview and in your mind that there's always been Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

00:57:28.000 That's what happened.

00:57:29.000 And because of that, anything that challenges your belief system, you fight against?

00:57:34.000 Well, specifically to JFK for decades, the intelligence agencies were influencing what the print and press was doing.

00:57:40.000 100%.

00:57:41.000 And Jeremy Geraldo Rivera, you know, when Dick Gregory brought that film on the Geraldo Rivera show and you got to see the Zapruder film, you got to see what looks like a shot that makes his head go back into the left.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:54.000 Which would indicate he got shot from the front.

00:57:56.000 I think he got shot multiple times by multiple shooters from multiple different directions.

00:58:01.000 And I don't think necessarily Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in on it.

00:58:05.000 Well, here's the problem.

00:58:06.000 People say, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't shoot. 0.84

00:58:09.000 You don't have to be that good with a rifle to be on a ledge, so you have a secure rest if your rifle sighted in and they said his scope was off, but that doesn't mean shit because you could just drop your scope and it's off.

00:58:22.000 Like all you have to do is take your rifle off of that ledge, drop it on the ground, and now that scope is off.

00:58:28.000 You never drop your gun like that.

00:58:29.000 And if you do, You can knock your scope off.

00:58:31.000 Well, there's multiple problems, though, because the Warren Commission actually never even put into the report, right?

00:58:36.000 So, like, if you're not going to be able to do that, my point is, that wasn't a far shot.

00:58:42.000 It was like, what was it, 140 yards from the book depository with a scope and a rifle with a rest? 0.90

00:58:49.000 No, you could kill a guy like that, and he could have been the shooter. 0.94

00:58:52.000 He could have been one of the shooters. 0.78

00:58:54.000 But I think there's too much witness testimony.

00:58:57.000 There's too much evidence.

00:58:59.000 The whole idea of the magic bullet theory was just because they had to account for all the wounds in the bodies with just three bullets.

00:59:07.000 And they found a guy who got hit in the overpass in the underpass, rather.

00:59:11.000 He got hit with a ricochet.

00:59:12.000 So now they knew that bullet couldn't have hit Kennedy or Connolly.

00:59:12.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 So how do you attribute all these wounds to two different guys from multiple gunshots to a single bullet?

00:59:21.000 It's a magic bullet, don't you know? 0.98

00:59:22.000 You have to find this bullet that fucking for sure didn't hit any bones. 0.98

00:59:26.000 And there's more fragments in Connolly's wrist than they were missing from the bullet. 0.98

00:59:30.000 The bullet looks almost pristine.

00:59:31.000 It looks like they shot it through like feathers or they shot it into water, which is what they do when they do ballistics tests on rifles.

00:59:38.000 Well, what's interesting is the Warren Commission did omit multiple female witnesses who were actually at the book depository that day that actually stated that they had never witnessed Oswald actually in the location or going down the back of the book depository.

00:59:53.000 So it could be past.

00:59:55.000 Yeah, it's possible that he could have snuck past them.

00:59:57.000 There was a lot of chaos.

00:59:59.000 You hear gunshots, the president shot.

01:00:01.000 People don't always think straight when things are going nutty.

01:00:04.000 People have a terrible memory right after traumatic events.

01:00:07.000 Like, yes and no.

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 Like he might have been there or he might not have been there.

01:00:11.000 He might have shot at Kennedy or he might not have scanned it.

01:00:14.000 But for sure, he was some sort of government operative.

01:00:17.000 For sure, he was traveling back and forth from Russia.

01:00:20.000 He married a Russian citizen. 1.00

01:00:22.000 There was a lot of weird shit. 1.00

01:00:24.000 He was under surveillance by the CIA. 0.99

01:00:26.000 So there's a lot there.

01:00:27.000 However, I will say this: what the official narrative was, we now know is BS, right?

01:00:33.000 And that I thought from the beginning. 0.97

01:00:35.000 Yeah, but a lot of the American people did, but to have their own government say, no, that's not true, to gaslight them and to push this narrative of if you question it, you're wrong, you're crazy.

01:00:45.000 That in itself, I think, when you're talking about like, why do the American people not trust their government?

01:00:49.000 It's really this fracture that starts around the Kennedy era and timeframe.

01:00:52.000 And you can see then that distrust kind of evolves.

01:00:55.000 But why do you, going back to your original question, why do people refuse to kind of question conspiracy theory?

01:00:59.000 Maybe there's some substance to it.

01:01:00.000 And I think it's because it's more comfortable for people from a psychological perspective to live in this comfort area that their government might not do something like that.

01:01:09.000 Or might not try to cover up something like that because that's just an easy way of life.

01:01:09.000 Right.

01:01:12.000 But look.

01:01:13.000 It's too scary.

01:01:14.000 It's too scary.

01:01:15.000 But the fact is, is that, look, I've traveled a lot.

01:01:17.000 I've dealt with a lot of world leaders.

01:01:18.000 We are still the greatest country in the world.

01:01:20.000 Make no excuse about that.

01:01:22.000 But it doesn't mean that we can't call out and hold our own government and officials accountable.

01:01:26.000 And so that's kind of what I've guessed my mission has been this Congress and what I hope that it will continue to be.

01:01:33.000 But I'm not trying to do this for like even the next 10 years.

01:01:36.000 So for someone like me, you know, people are like, oh, initially, you're going to ruin your political career talking about this.

01:01:41.000 This is crazy.

01:01:42.000 Why would you even want to do that?

01:01:43.000 And then, you know, they're seeing all these big wins coming out in regards to transparency.

01:01:47.000 And I will say, had it not been for the secretaries that have been appointed by this administration, this wouldn't have happened because under President Biden, he actually also tried to declassify things pertaining to JFK, and the National Archives never released it.

01:02:02.000 And so, in addition to.

01:02:04.000 That's not a good sign.

01:02:05.000 None of that stuff's a good sign.

01:02:06.000 Like, if you want trust from the American people, you release information.

01:02:11.000 If you want us to distrust you, you hide everything.

01:02:13.000 And you're hiding everything on one of the most important events in human history.

01:02:16.000 They were up until recently.

01:02:18.000 And we're still documents that the JFK community, because mind you, I'm actually working with his name's Jefferson Morley.

01:02:25.000 He is not a Republican.

01:02:26.000 He's a Bernie Sanders Democrat.

01:02:28.000 But on this issue, we're working great together.

01:02:31.000 And he's actually been helping me.

01:02:32.000 And he's like, look, I've been waiting for this stuff for like 30 years.

01:02:34.000 This is a hugely bipartisan.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, it's super bipartisan.

01:02:37.000 This is something we can all kick together.

01:02:38.000 That and you pose.

01:02:40.000 It's the one thing Democrats and Republicans both completely agree on.

01:02:44.000 Like, tell us what's up.

01:02:45.000 Tell us what's up.

01:02:46.000 Who killed them and are they real?

01:02:48.000 Those are two giant questions that we all have.

01:02:50.000 I think they're real.

01:02:52.000 The other part is still outstanding.

01:02:53.000 But hopefully, when the documents are released from the Russian government later on this fall, that might be able to provide a full Picture.

01:03:00.000 Granted, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt because it's still, you know, it was written by the KGB. 0.83

01:03:05.000 But at the end of the day, we have a good mosaic that's been put together with at least the documents that have been released with this administration.

01:03:10.000 And for any outstanding documents, I actually have a team assigned to me from the CIA that is actually helping me chase down these documents.

01:03:16.000 And I've already had some interesting experiences, like not creepy, but for example, after President Trump signed the executive order and Radcliffe has been super helpful, we actually were made aware of this.

01:03:27.000 Allegedly, there had been a document that was at the CIA that was a report from the Inspector General that had implicated the CIA allegedly in the assassination of JFK.

01:03:38.000 So I'm following up on this lead and trying to find this report.

01:03:41.000 And the archives is like, we don't have any documentation of this.

01:03:43.000 The CIA says they don't have any documentation.

01:03:45.000 And they've been good with us so far.

01:03:48.000 So I go to the archives because they're like, we found this weird bag, though, and it's in the skiff.

01:03:52.000 And it's been here for five years.

01:03:54.000 And it was left by our former attorney for the archives.

01:03:57.000 And so we don't know what's in it.

01:03:58.000 And I was like, well, go open it.

01:03:59.000 They're like, well, we don't have the key and it's in a vault.

01:04:01.000 And I said, well, I'm coming over.

01:04:03.000 So I drive over, literally, like, put myself in the car.

01:04:05.000 I get in the car and I go over to the National Archives.

01:04:07.000 We go into the SCIF.

01:04:08.000 I pull out this bag and I'm like, does anyone have scissors?

01:04:10.000 And we like cut open this little folder.

01:04:13.000 And there was a CD-ROM in it.

01:04:15.000 And this has, again, been declassified now, so I can talk about it.

01:04:18.000 But there was this CD-ROM of a ton of wires from the State Department.

01:04:23.000 Some of the wires were pertaining to the Kennedy family, and it was actually a WikiLeaks document.

01:04:28.000 And so I think the reason why it was kept at the archives is because you're not actually supposed to have these documents on government computers, WikiLeaks, obviously what happened with that.

01:04:37.000 But here I was like cutting it out of a bag at the National Archives.

01:04:41.000 That makes sense that you would have the most top secret documents burned on CD-ROMs.

01:04:46.000 That way, no one could ever get access to it by hacking into your computer.

01:04:49.000 To this day, I don't know even who left the CD-ROM.

01:04:52.000 I don't know.

01:04:53.000 And there was some other stuff in that that I don't need to get into.

01:04:57.000 I don't even need to get into it.

01:04:59.000 I don't get in trouble.

01:05:00.000 But the stuff that was on there was interesting.

01:05:02.000 And I think I saw recently Tulsi had actually talked about some of the State Department wires that had been found that, and I think these are the same ones that had talked about the assassination of RFK.

01:05:15.000 There were wires going up from the State Department prior to his assassination, which is interesting.

01:05:19.000 So our next investigation, so we've done multiple hearings.

01:05:22.000 What do you mean by that?

01:05:22.000 Like, how did they specifically discuss it?

01:05:25.000 Well, that's, I haven't seen the actual wires themselves yet, but what that would imply is that the State Department knew about the assassination before it took place.

01:05:33.000 Oh, geez.

01:05:34.000 And that was something she talked about.

01:05:35.000 Did you get into the MK Ultra stuff at all with Jolly West?

01:05:39.000 So I look at that on my free time, but that's not the purview of the task force.

01:05:43.000 But there is stuff that you can, again, CIA.gov/slash reading room, super creepy.

01:05:47.000 I did find a document on the archives website that actually ties the initial phases of the MKUltra program to Operation Paperclip.

01:05:57.000 Oh, boy.

01:05:58.000 Interesting.

01:05:59.000 That makes sense.

01:05:59.000 Right?

01:06:00.000 And I'm reading this to my husband.

01:06:00.000 And it's there.

01:06:02.000 Because for sure, the Nazis were experimenting on drugs with people. 0.74

01:06:05.000 They're doing a lot of bad stuff.

01:06:06.000 Oh, they were doing a lot of horrible stuff.

01:06:08.000 But for sure, they were experimenting on their soldiers and on prisoners.

01:06:13.000 And they were experimenting on all kinds of people.

01:06:15.000 Creepy stuff.

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 And if we took some of that and applied it, the Jack Ruby connection to it is that Jolly West went to visit Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

01:06:25.000 And Jack Ruby was like pretty rational before then.

01:06:30.000 And then after Jolly West leaves, he's like freaking out, seeing things that aren't there.

01:06:36.000 I think he said something about Jews. 0.98

01:06:39.000 He could see Jews burning alive. 0.98

01:06:41.000 It's like a psychosis statement. 1.00

01:06:42.000 Full on, lost it, most likely got dosed the fuck with acid. 1.00

01:06:47.000 Most likely, Jolly West just hit him with a fucking charcoal. 1.00

01:06:51.000 Sarah, that's a terrible way to go. 1.00

01:06:52.000 Shot glass of acid.

01:06:54.000 It doesn't, like, he went so far off the deep end.

01:06:58.000 Then he died later.

01:06:59.000 I think he died a few years later of cancer, but I think he completely lost his mind after Jolly West visited him.

01:07:05.000 And Jolly West was, he was involved with the Manson family thing.

01:07:09.000 He was involved with Operation Midnight Climax, where they had brothels.

01:07:15.000 The CIA was running brothels, and they would get these Johns to come in with the prostitutes, and the prostitutes would give them acid, and they didn't know it. 1.00

01:07:23.000 And so they were sitting there, and there was two-way mirrors, and they were filming them.

01:07:27.000 Why these guys were like, well, for blackmail, for observation.

01:07:31.000 They knew these people were never going to say, hey, you did that to me.

01:07:35.000 You know, look what the government did.

01:07:37.000 It dosed me up with acid.

01:07:39.000 Because they're not going to admit they went to a brothel. 0.85

01:07:41.000 So you have like the perfect group of people to victimize and just try stuff on.

01:07:45.000 Well, and they got in trouble for it too.

01:07:46.000 Like the CIA had to do payouts.

01:07:47.000 They were getting sued for it.

01:07:48.000 And then when all this did flush out, I mean, you know, it's always, I guess.

01:07:51.000 Well, the Freedom of Information Act was the only, and then they found a bunch of documents.

01:07:56.000 They found documents that were, I forget who found, I forget, Tom O'Neill, who wrote the book Chaos, goes into great detail about this.

01:08:03.000 Well, it's interesting.

01:08:04.000 It's all about the Manson family and MK Ultra.

01:08:06.000 It's a fantastic book.

01:08:08.000 Well, even just this conversation right now, there's such a stigma that exists around it because it's such a spooky topic. 0.99

01:08:13.000 And so it's like, you don't want to look stupid. 1.00

01:08:15.000 You don't want to look stupid. 0.99

01:08:16.000 And so, look, anyone watching this can go look at this information, go to CIA.gov slash reading room and know it's not going to like be a phishing website that's going to steal your information. 0.97

01:08:23.000 But you can find the CIA's like, we're already accessing.

01:08:28.000 But, you know, it's always been one of those things.

01:08:32.000 And, you know, if people ask me, I'm just very transparent about it.

01:08:35.000 And I will say something that started out with a stigma of being, you know, this conspiracy theory investigation wasting taxpayer dollars has been arguably one of the coolest task forces in Congress, I think.

01:08:46.000 And we have a lot of good people that are behind it.

01:08:48.000 I think the tide is turning on that kind of thinking that these conspiracy theories are silly to pursue.

01:08:54.000 Like some of them, yeah. 0.99

01:08:56.000 Some of them are silly. 0.99

01:08:57.000 Some are crazy, but some of them are true. 0.98

01:08:59.000 But that doesn't mean that some aren't true. 0.98

01:09:01.000 Also, there's a time-honored tactic of taking, look, if I was in the intelligence community, and I'm not accusing anybody of doing this, but if I was in the intelligence community and I had some truth that was very inconvenient to a narrative and I wanted to label that truth as being a preposterous conspiracy theory, I'd add a bunch of kooky shit to it.

01:09:22.000 Or have disinformation campaigns. 0.97

01:09:25.000 Or dole it out to the nuttiest people on the internet. 0.98

01:09:28.000 Dole it out to the craziest people. 0.98

01:09:30.000 You know, this guy's got a drinking problem.

01:09:31.000 He's got a conspiracy theory website.

01:09:33.000 Or take a little and spin it.

01:09:35.000 Yeah.

01:09:36.000 Get it to him and tell him you're helping him out.

01:09:38.000 You're going to give him some insight information.

01:09:39.000 Get him to spread a bunch of kooky stuff so that when that stuff gets disproven, the other things attach to it. 0.99

01:09:44.000 So the other thing looks stupid too. 0.99

01:09:46.000 That's what I would do. 1.00

01:09:48.000 Yeah, we've had our fill.

01:09:48.000 Like the one thing I wanted to do when I first got the task force is open up a skiff to any person who held a clearance to come brief us on what they knew about UAPs.

01:09:57.000 And I can tell you that we've now had a lot of things.

01:09:58.000 What was the first conversation like?

01:10:00.000 When the door shuts and you're like, oh boy, I'm going to go to the next one.

01:10:02.000 Well, the problem is, I've reached out to some of the biggest names in UFO lore, okay?

01:10:08.000 And they all got skiff flu.

01:10:10.000 And we call it skiff flu, meaning like the day that the skiff was open that we reserved it.

01:10:14.000 We're like, we're here.

01:10:14.000 Like, come on, come brief us.

01:10:16.000 They get sick or they didn't recover and then they just don't talk to us anymore.

01:10:20.000 So ghost you?

01:10:21.000 They ghost us.

01:10:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:23.000 So I'm like, well, if you're not going to tell me to skiff, then you're full of crap. 0.97

01:10:26.000 Or you're scared for your life because you're just a scientist who doesn't, maybe they got threatened. 0.99

01:10:31.000 Maybe someone let them know that maybe someone hung something on their door in the middle of the night.

01:10:35.000 But if people say they're going to go tell us in a skiff and then they don't show up, it's a problem, right?

01:10:40.000 So they've already gone public.

01:10:41.000 But maybe those people don't feel like the government's going to protect them.

01:10:44.000 That is one of the biggest things that we've had people bring up is that you're a whistleblower, but whistleblower protections only go so far and you can't do anything for my physical safety.

01:10:53.000 And some of them do allege that there's these actual physical concerns.

01:10:56.000 We actually had someone that we wanted to bring in to testify because our next hearing on UAP is going to be, I believe it's next month.

01:11:03.000 And the individual that was actually told tests by David Grush is actually a former combat controller.

01:11:09.000 And so my husband, Air Force Special Operator, Combat Control.

01:11:12.000 So we knew the guy via some friends.

01:11:15.000 So we knew that the guy wasn't nuts or crazy and reached out to him and he did not want to come in.

01:11:19.000 He wanted nothing to do with it.

01:11:20.000 Was like, I am not touching this.

01:11:22.000 And so, you know, that stuff like that happens.

01:11:25.000 Well, also, you put those folks on TV, right?

01:11:27.000 Well, we don't have to.

01:11:28.000 We can do private, but if we testify, yeah, if it comes time where they have to testify.

01:11:33.000 And there's a lot of time in between people finding out that this guy came and told you guys what's up to testify.

01:11:39.000 Don't freak out our witnesses, Jeff.

01:11:40.000 So that's the problem.

01:11:41.000 This is why what I was talking about is what's being advocated in the documentary that to me makes perfect sense is mass amnesty.

01:11:49.000 Now, here's the bad part.

01:11:50.000 For sure, you're dealing with enormous sums of money, and I'm sure people got really rich off of that.

01:11:56.000 And I'm sure it's super illegal, if it's real.

01:11:58.000 With the back engineering Potential.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, I mean, and also the competitive advantage you would give company A if this company gets access to a down craft that can traverse space and time, that can move through the universe instantaneously, that utilizes an unknown element, that has some unknown process of defying gravity.

01:12:23.000 It's utilizing no interior mechanisms of control.

01:12:27.000 Everything is done with the mind of the pilot.

01:12:30.000 If this is the truth, if this is what they're saying, and these are the kind of things they find, that getting to a contractor would be a massive advantage over the other contractor that also should be on equal standing with the government, right?

01:12:43.000 They both make jets, they both make whatever it is.

01:12:46.000 So it's like, what do you do?

01:12:47.000 Do you divvy up your spaceships in between these folks?

01:12:49.000 Like, are they the only ones who get to know it?

01:12:52.000 And then how do private contractors, how are they the gatekeepers of the most important information in the world if it's true?

01:13:02.000 Well, so, and that brings us to what happened at Eglin Air Force Base.

01:13:05.000 So, in a nutshell, we had been told by, so Representative Gates had come forward and said that he had two or two or three pilots had to contact him saying that the Air Force was covering up information regarding to UAP activity in the Pandle, and he wanted us to go with him to investigate.

01:13:20.000 So, we show up at Eglin Air Force Base, we're met by the base commander.

01:13:24.000 Previous to us, even showing up on this congressional delegation to investigate, the Pentagon had tried to cancel the meeting.

01:13:31.000 And you can't, so this was under the Lawson administration.

01:13:33.000 So, you can't just cancel a meeting and say you can't come to the base.

01:13:36.000 That doesn't work.

01:13:37.000 So, Gates actually was on House Armed Services at the time that oversees the U.S. military.

01:13:43.000 And so, Gates got the chairman involved, calls back onto the Pentagon, gets this meeting on the books.

01:13:49.000 And, you know, we told them specifically we want to see information on UAPs, we want to see the evidence, and we want to have the pilots that saw these aircraft, whatever they are, or these spacecraft, we want to have briefings from them.

01:14:01.000 In a nutshell, we get to Eglin Air Force Base.

01:14:04.000 They keep us about the Chinese spy balloon.

01:14:08.000 That's not what we were there to see.

01:14:10.000 And ultimately, we were in the SCIF.

01:14:13.000 We got into a verbal disagreement with the base commander at the time who was denying us access to the pilots and to the information and said that we didn't have the authorization.

01:14:24.000 In the SCIF, there were many members of the intelligence community.

01:14:27.000 We then go back upstairs to the conference room and proceed to again, basically have it out with this commander.

01:14:33.000 And Representative Burchett said, you know, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

01:14:38.000 You choose serve.

01:14:38.000 It's a movie.

01:14:40.000 Kind of, but it was at the time.

01:14:42.000 People use a movie.

01:14:43.000 Yeah, easy way or the hard way.

01:14:45.000 And if it's a hard way, you're going to have, you know, Representative Gates and Luna in D.C. questioning you.

01:14:49.000 So I suggest you do the easy way.

01:14:50.000 So he actually, in the middle of the meeting, we were kind of holding his feet to the fire on it.

01:14:57.000 He like kind of got nervous as we were talking to him.

01:14:59.000 And he, I kid you not, he goes, you know, they're going to like that I'm not going to let you see this.

01:15:04.000 So he like kind of was like thinking out loud, but didn't realize that he was basically saying it.

01:15:09.000 And then in the middle of our meeting, he gets up and leaves the room.

01:15:13.000 Like I have to go to the restroom or something.

01:15:15.000 And then maybe like five minutes later, this tech sergeant comes in and says, oh, the base commander's been authorized to go on leave to Georgia.

01:15:21.000 He won't be coming back.

01:15:23.000 And I'm sitting there looking at Gates and Burger.

01:15:25.000 I'm like, he just left in the middle of a congressional delegation.

01:15:29.000 Like that's never happened.

01:15:30.000 If he said out loud, they would be happy that I'm not telling you.

01:15:34.000 Like verbally articulated it.

01:15:34.000 Yeah.

01:15:37.000 Gates was there.

01:15:38.000 My husband was there.

01:15:39.000 But he's a burchant was there.

01:15:41.000 Like if that guy's he's in a powerless situation, right?

01:15:46.000 If he does give you access.

01:15:48.000 He's going to get in trouble.

01:15:49.000 He's in, he might be really in trouble.

01:15:52.000 You know, like, but here's the problem.

01:15:54.000 He can't, even if it was someone at this, like the Secretary of Defense, right?

01:15:58.000 Because at the time, this got pretty high level.

01:16:01.000 I'm not saying it's not illegal.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 He still, at the end of the day, you're in the military.

01:16:07.000 How our government functions is the military does not decide what the civilian sector and what representatives can and cannot see.

01:16:16.000 It's not supposed to function like that.

01:16:18.000 So he got up and left.

01:16:19.000 Like, I've never seen this happen.

01:16:21.000 I was in the military.

01:16:22.000 I've never seen, like, in the middle of a congressional delegation, these are big deals.

01:16:25.000 You just get up and go and leave to Georgia and you just don't come back.

01:16:28.000 Like in the middle of the meeting, it never happened.

01:16:30.000 What state were you in the time?

01:16:32.000 We're in Florida.

01:16:32.000 Oh, yes.

01:16:33.000 He's like, drove to Georgia.

01:16:33.000 Get up.

01:16:34.000 Like, what the hell are you doing, George, in the middle of a congressional delegation?

01:16:37.000 Go and fish it.

01:16:38.000 See you.

01:16:39.000 And then his second in command comes in, and they managed to get one pilot to come down and brief us.

01:16:46.000 And what I will tell you is, I will say it, Representative Gates has gone on record.

01:16:50.000 He actually did as soon as he left office that we've seen stuff that I don't believe was created by mankind.

01:16:57.000 So you can't tell us what you saw, but.

01:17:00.000 I'm going to let you infer.

01:17:02.000 Infer.

01:17:04.000 See, this is the problem that I have with all this stuff.

01:17:08.000 I should be able to tell you without losing my clearance.

01:17:10.000 Well, not just that.

01:17:12.000 That people that have that information should give that information to the general public.

01:17:16.000 Correct.

01:17:16.000 And stop treating us like you're smarter than us and that you can handle it, and we can't.

01:17:20.000 That's silly.

01:17:21.000 Which is why we have to declassify, which is why. 0.73

01:17:23.000 Is that Hal Putoff stuff?

01:17:25.000 Okay.

01:17:25.000 No.

01:17:26.000 How Putoff during the Bush administration was assigned.

01:17:29.000 He was one of many scientists.

01:17:31.000 And this is also in the age of disclosure.

01:17:33.000 He was one of many scientists that was assigned to put a numerical value to pros and cons of UFO disclosure.

01:17:40.000 So they said to him, we have a crashed UFO that we have been back engineering.

01:17:48.000 And we want to release information to society to let people know that UFOs are real and that there is something else out there that's not us.

01:17:56.000 It's much more intelligent than we are.

01:17:59.000 So they have this list of pros and cons, banking, religion, societal structure, you know, everything, everything on one side.

01:18:07.000 And then the pros, like, you know, whatever the positive aspects of it would be.

01:18:12.000 And every single scientist said that the cons outweighed the pros.

01:18:16.000 And he said, I would have loved to have had disclosure, but this was just what they asked me to do.

01:18:24.000 They asked me to compile numbers and to do it in a way that's super objective. 0.92

01:18:28.000 And he said, if I'm doing my job, this is where I think it would completely wreck our government, completely wreck any idea that the people that are in charge of us have any position of authority when there's something that can go 100 million times faster than we think is physically possible through the universe, appear out of nowhere, stop all of our nuclear programs, shut down bases, do weird shit.

01:18:56.000 But don't you think that that's where kind of it's been interesting because society has moved away from this aspect of like having a spiritual grounding and even believing and like, you know, most people today think when you talk about like praying, even that whole concept is kind of just like, oh, you know, they're just, and I feel like that thing's kind of poo-pooed, but if you have like a grounding in that, and going back to what I was saying earlier, I think that that's not like I don't think that society would do that.

01:19:21.000 Granted, I'm not a scientist, I'm not running numbers, but just based on how we've kind of been evolving with access to information and kind of the questions, the discussions that have been happening, not just here, but I think internationally, I just think a lot's changing.

01:19:34.000 Now, to say that we were, you know, and I've heard some wild theories, like people think that, you know, humanity was seeded by UFOs.

01:19:42.000 And that's it.

01:19:43.000 I don't agree with that theory.

01:19:44.000 I'm going to address it.

01:19:45.000 It's a fun one.

01:19:46.000 It's an interesting theory.

01:19:47.000 If you found out it was true, would you tell everybody?

01:19:49.000 I mean, I'd be transparent about it, but I just don't personally believe it.

01:19:52.000 But would you believe it if you found out that was the information that the government had?

01:19:57.000 Well, I put it out there because that's what I'm saying.

01:20:00.000 Right, but what would that do for your belief system? 0.99

01:20:03.000 That would suck. 0.97

01:20:04.000 But would it suck, really? 0.95

01:20:05.000 Maybe that's what's confusing about the Bible.

01:20:08.000 Maybe what's confusing is that it was an oral tradition for hundreds, if not a thousand years before it was ever written down, right?

01:20:16.000 Well, I think that it depends on what book you're talking about, right?

01:20:19.000 But I mean, the Old Testament, if you go back to the oldest works of the Bible, weren't most of those stories handed down generation after generation and then eventually written down?

01:20:29.000 Written into text?

01:20:30.000 Well, some of them are written by prophets and then, but Enoch is apparently supposed to predate even the time of Genesis and talk.

01:20:37.000 The nuttiest one is Ezekiel.

01:20:40.000 I'm telling you, Enoch is even crazier than Ezekiel. 0.86

01:20:42.000 Oh, I've read it.

01:20:43.000 I just don't.

01:20:44.000 Did you find anything about whether or not Enoch is controversial?

01:20:47.000 You can look up the fourth century.

01:20:49.000 It was discluded as since the fifth century.

01:20:53.000 It wasn't in Canon.

01:20:55.000 And why did it get discluded?

01:20:57.000 It says the Jewish scribes or the priests didn't believe, the rabbis didn't believe it was canon.

01:21:05.000 So it's considered, it's regarded as scripture.

01:21:07.000 But what's interesting is that even if that's the case, though, you have the Atheian Orthodox Church that actually there's Ethiopian Jews, and that's considered the most pure form of the Bible.

01:21:18.000 So you actually have a division of the Ethiopian Jewish class that actually recognized Enoch.

01:21:23.000 How weird is it that some rabbis 500 years ago made a call?

01:21:28.000 But that's what I'm saying is that you're 150 years ago.

01:21:30.000 You can't though discredit it.

01:21:32.000 That's kind of weird.

01:21:33.000 But you can't discredit it because, again, when you have people removing books, I think, look, and I'm not telling people what to believe.

01:21:40.000 I'm just saying you should take a look at it.

01:21:42.000 The main reason for the Jewish rejection of the book is that it's inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah.

01:21:42.000 Oh, here it is.

01:21:47.000 From the standpoint of how do you say that?

01:21:51.000 Rabbinic.

01:21:51.000 Rabbinic?

01:21:52.000 Rabbinic Judaism.

01:21:54.000 Sorry.

01:21:54.000 The book is considered to be heretical.

01:21:57.000 Another reason for the exclusion of the text might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah.

01:22:04.000 For example, Enoch is a mid-rash of Deuteronomy 33.

01:22:08.000 The context, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period, as is illustrated by the comments of Tripfo the Jew when debating Justin Martyr on this subject.

01:22:26.000 Utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you, nay, even blasphemous, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God.

01:22:43.000 So it was a thing.

01:22:45.000 It seems like some people made a decision that something shouldn't be in there.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, but that's the thing, it's a disagreement in religion and perspective, but they should have still not removed it.

01:22:54.000 And so it's interesting because then you have the evolution of what the King James Bible is.

01:22:58.000 We all know that story.

01:22:59.000 He wanted to get remarried.

01:23:00.000 They rewrote it.

01:23:01.000 But you even have the Catholic Bible that has, it's what happened.

01:23:04.000 Right.

01:23:04.000 And you have the Catholic Bible that had books that were taken out.

01:23:07.000 And then we have the King James.

01:23:08.000 So I'm not saying that if you read the King James, you're not getting, you don't have access to God.

01:23:14.000 But I am saying that there's a bigger picture here that we need to discuss.

01:23:14.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:23:17.000 Well, there's always a problem when people get involved.

01:23:19.000 And when people get involved in making decisions that this could be real and this could not be, the problem is like all these years later, you're dealing with the repercussions of that.

01:23:29.000 Like imagine a world in which if Enoch was left in the Bible and people were like, wait, what happened?

01:23:36.000 Like explain the nuttiness of the book of Enoch to people.

01:23:38.000 Well, it's okay.

01:23:40.000 So if you read it, it talks about the fall of angels, thus creating really the precursor of civilization that led to the first flood.

01:23:49.000 I think that when you even go into potentially the technology that was given to mankind by these angels, it talks about the hidden beliefs and theories in astronomy, et cetera, metal workings, all of it.

01:24:03.000 But it really does explain, you know, you were talking about earlier how you have a lot of these religions around the world that kind of say the same thing.

01:24:10.000 This is kind of the OG text that leads to those stories that we're hearing from many religions around the world.

01:24:18.000 To talk about angels mixing with mankind and then seeding a super essentially race of humans that essentially were responsible for basically damning mankind to the flood.

01:24:29.000 I mean, you hear about stuff in Greek and Roman mythology, people who had these super crazy powers.

01:24:36.000 And you talk about it out loud and it sounds crazy, but that's what the book says.

01:24:39.000 And then the fact that it was taken out and then it's po-pooed, yet you have one of the oldest religions in the world, be it the Ethiopians, that actually still have it.

01:24:47.000 You have, you know, the Catholic Church that has books that are missing out of the King James Version.

01:24:51.000 I'm just saying that, you know, when you read it, you should read it and decide for yourself.

01:24:55.000 Don't listen to what I'm saying, don't listen to what you're saying, but truly give it a chance and see what you have to say.

01:24:59.000 And then, you know, you're going back to this whole concept of if you have this information pertaining to UAPs, whatever they might be, the origins.

01:25:07.000 I mean, if you have an understanding of what Enoch was talking about, kind of makes sense.

01:25:12.000 Well, I go back to my thoughts on all this stuff.

01:25:15.000 It's like, very few people could even read back then.

01:25:18.000 Very few people could write, right?

01:25:21.000 So you're not going to write, you're probably going to try to capture a truth.

01:25:28.000 You're probably not writing Necessarily to deceive people and make up a story.

01:25:34.000 So, the question is, with all this stuff, is like, what was the original truth that they were trying to write down?

01:25:40.000 And how much of it is getting distorted by translations from ancient Hebrew to Latin to Greek?

01:25:46.000 Or Aramaic to be able to do that? 0.84

01:25:48.000 And there's this.

01:25:49.000 And is it possible to even understand what they're saying without understanding the language?

01:25:56.000 And my friend Rick Strassman, he's a very fascinating guy, brilliant guy.

01:26:02.000 One of the things that he did is he taught himself ancient Hebrew so he could read the Bible in ancient Hebrew.

01:26:07.000 It took him 16 years.

01:26:09.000 Wow.

01:26:09.000 But he did it because he's like, I want to know it in that language.

01:26:13.000 I mean, that's smart because there's always an aspect of translation where you lose certain implications.

01:26:19.000 If you're playing the telephone game, you want to be second.

01:26:21.000 You don't want to be 15th.

01:26:22.000 Exactly. 0.58

01:26:23.000 And whoever was writing it down the earliest, that's probably you're closer to their depictions of what that truth is than after King James starts fucking around with it and all this stuff. 0.75

01:26:35.000 But a new wife's got to remember. 1.00

01:26:36.000 New people start getting involved.

01:26:38.000 But boy, when you go to the really old stuff, you know, the really old stuff is very strange.

01:26:45.000 I'm telling you, the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, I actually had a staffer that went to Ethiopia.

01:26:49.000 She was on a church trip, and she actually brought me back a copy.

01:26:52.000 And she's like, you can translate it via Google Translation.

01:26:55.000 So kudos to modern day technology.

01:26:57.000 So I have it in my office.

01:26:58.000 And actually, when I did my swearing-in, I actually did my swearing-in on the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.

01:27:03.000 Wow.

01:27:03.000 That's cool.

01:27:04.000 It's direct translation.

01:27:06.000 That's kind of crazy.

01:27:08.000 It's, you know, I would wonder what the impact to all these religions would be if we had definitive proof that we're not alone. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Like, if there was an introduction, like some sort of an event where they decided, look, this government is too secretive with all this information.

01:27:29.000 You're holding back the understanding of these intelligent life forms that they are not the apex of this planet, nor are they anywhere close to the peak of the intelligence that's available out there in the universe.

01:27:42.000 Just let me show you real quick.

01:27:44.000 And then what does everybody do now?

01:27:47.000 What happens to the Mormons? 0.55

01:27:49.000 I think that brings us to the point. 1.00

01:27:50.000 Everybody's going to fucking blow a gasket. 0.99

01:27:52.000 Well, I think that brings us back to square one. 0.99

01:27:54.000 So by the way, I'm by no means saying that aliens are God.

01:27:57.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:27:58.000 No, no.

01:27:58.000 But I think that brings us back to the fundamental question: do you believe that God exists?

01:28:02.000 Because if you do, then you realize that our freedom, the freedom of choice, is not a man-given right, but a God-given right.

01:28:11.000 And I think that that goes back to the fundamental principles of what we believe in true representation.

01:28:17.000 So if you believe that God is real, God is powerful, then it shouldn't be a king or a man that you're looking to, but to God for divine inspiration and to make your life decisions.

01:28:26.000 That's ultimately what freedom of choice is.

01:28:28.000 But I think even the Catholic churches acknowledge that the idea that if there is intelligent life somewhere else doesn't mean that God didn't create it.

01:28:36.000 Well, that's true.

01:28:37.000 Maybe God just didn't tell you about the neighbors.

01:28:40.000 Well, it does say in Enoch, and then also, too, I think in Genesis that the stars cried out.

01:28:44.000 And so if you're looking, well, a star, if it's not, you know, what do they mean by stars crying out?

01:28:49.000 And then Enoch actually alludes to stars in certain capacities being potentially angels.

01:28:53.000 Now, I'm not saying like, and this is kind of interesting because, you know, I have this aspect of my task force, what we've been investigating, but then I have, you know, my personal beliefs and, you know, my religious beliefs.

01:29:04.000 And what I'm telling you is that in my position officially, I've seen men pervert information to get what they want.

01:29:11.000 So it's not unlikely that an entire, you know, very secret, very truthful text was omitted in an effort to control population and to insert yourself between an individual's relationship between them directly and God.

01:29:25.000 And I think that, you know.

01:29:26.000 Well, especially if it doesn't agree with your interpretation of God.

01:29:29.000 I mean, and this is the issue with these rabbis, right? 1.00

01:29:32.000 Well, I mean, if you're having people determine any information, yes, you should not be able to do that.

01:29:37.000 Just the same thing as the UFO stuff.

01:29:38.000 The UFO.

01:29:39.000 No one should be the gatekeeper of information.

01:29:41.000 Exactly.

01:29:42.000 And hence the transparency on the information.

01:29:44.000 Especially something that's, it should be for all of us.

01:29:48.000 This is nuts.

01:29:49.000 I think we're probably going to be responsible for like the book of Enoch sales probably increasing on Amazon.

01:29:54.000 Well, I'm going to buy it.

01:29:56.000 I'm going to buy it.

01:29:56.000 I need to read it now.

01:29:58.000 You'll trust it.

01:29:59.000 Well, I wish I could.

01:30:01.000 I mean, I'm sure there's some interpretations of the Dead Sea Scrolls that I could sludge through.

01:30:06.000 But the thing about it is I'd really love to be able to read it in Aramaic.

01:30:10.000 I really wish I could read Aramaic. 0.98

01:30:11.000 I just don't have the fucking time to do that. 0.97

01:30:12.000 You can look at it. 0.98

01:30:13.000 What if I did?

01:30:14.000 Go on.

01:30:14.000 You should see if there's an audible story.

01:30:16.000 I'm sure there is.

01:30:17.000 But what I'm saying is, I really like the Strassman idea of learning ancient Hebrew to be able to read the source material.

01:30:25.000 That's where it gets really interesting.

01:30:27.000 Because what were these people trying to write about?

01:30:29.000 And if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct and these folks that believe in the younger dryest impact theory, you know, the Bible was written a couple thousand years ago.

01:30:40.000 These people that are talking about the younger dryass impact theory are talking about a cataclysmic event that wiped out advanced civilization 11,800 years ago.

01:30:51.000 Well, Plato talks about it, hearing it from Egyptian teachers, and then going back to the Atlantean civilization and it was a lot of people.

01:30:59.000 What was their Bible?

01:31:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:01.000 Like, if you can get back to 11,800 years ago and read what they thought went down, because I think that's probably where the oral traditions come from.

01:31:10.000 The oral traditions come from complete collapse of society, rebuild over time, takes forever, and then a re-understanding of what you know to be true about the origin of man and the birth of the universe and why we're here.

01:31:26.000 And then you got to figure out what Jesus is.

01:31:29.000 Well, so I actually, when I was in my early 20s, I actually went to Egypt to see the megalithic structures there, and then I went to Turkey to see the Sumerian inscriptions and carvings and what they thought the ancient Sumerian gods were, the Anunnaki, all that.

01:31:45.000 What's interesting is in Enoch, it actually has reference to the Anunnaki, but a different, I think it's like Anu is like the term, the root term that's used for it.

01:31:53.000 Have you read the Zacharias Hitchin stuff?

01:31:55.000 No.

01:31:56.000 Do you know of it?

01:31:57.000 I have heard of it, yeah.

01:31:58.000 Yeah, that's the most fun.

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:59.000 Well, I will say, with all of that going back to if you read Enoch and then follow about the fall of mankind and the angels with, you know, and this is Christian theology, right?

01:32:11.000 So like angels came down, rebelled against God, interbred with humankind.

01:32:16.000 That would be, I think, a good starting point for what potentially the Anunnaki were. 1.00

01:32:21.000 Yeah, God probably didn't like that they were coming around and taking the ancient hominids and juicing them up. 1.00

01:32:27.000 Juicing them up, make them chess champions.

01:32:29.000 Heaven did not approve.

01:32:30.000 Yeah, it's probably against the code of the universe.

01:32:34.000 God probably says, look, you can go visit, but don't mess around with it.

01:32:37.000 Well, there's definitely something to be said.

01:32:39.000 It actually talks about this in Enoch about a divine justice.

01:32:42.000 And so I think, you know, again, going back to what is our job?

01:32:47.000 You know, how would society function?

01:32:49.000 You have aspects in like government.

01:32:51.000 Do you trust your government?

01:32:52.000 Is government going to follow through and bring accountability?

01:32:55.000 You know, that's our job at the same sense in that we have to ensure that if we are to truly have an equal and fair society, that you have to have this aspect of justice that has to be carried out.

01:33:04.000 And I, you know, I can go back to something that I found kind of crazy, but you know, the mandatory minimums for child predators are not that high in this country.

01:33:12.000 And so Congress can actually increase the mandatory minimums.

01:33:15.000 But there's been a lot of lethargy about that.

01:33:17.000 And it's like, why would you, you know, not want to increase it?

01:33:21.000 Some people are against the death penalty.

01:33:22.000 And I would say that it's not, you know, my job to play God or to judge people just to help to arrange the meeting.

01:33:29.000 Yeah.

01:33:30.000 It's a weird job, right?

01:33:32.000 I mean, you're involved in the disclosure of things that have questioned, that people have questioned forever.

01:33:39.000 I mean, those are the huge questions that exist from the 1960s on.

01:33:46.000 UFOs, JFK, Martin Luther King, RFK, RFK.

01:33:50.000 Those are the big ones.

01:33:51.000 We're pushing for it, and there's a good group of people that are assigned to it.

01:33:55.000 I did say recently, so the MLK documents just came out, and we're wrapping up our JFK investigation.

01:34:01.000 So after we finalize the JFK investigation, we're putting out an official congressional report on our findings, and people can read it and decide for themselves.

01:34:08.000 Then we have RFK and then MLK.

01:34:09.000 But I think a lot of the MLK family was actually very concerned that we were going to go into extracurricular.

01:34:14.000 And that's not the objective of the task force.

01:34:16.000 It's to specifically expose what the government was doing, if they knew about the potential threats.

01:34:22.000 And people say, well, why do we care about it?

01:34:23.000 I constantly get, well, we shouldn't care about this.

01:34:25.000 No, you should, because there has to be a check and balance.

01:34:29.000 And when you know If the CIA was operating outside the purview of the federal government, if you know that whistleblowers are being punished, if there needs to be reformed to the FOIA Act, all this stuff, then we have to be able to put forward legislation to ensure it doesn't happen again.

01:34:43.000 And what's been very interesting and almost serendipitous about the whole GFK investigation is you have President Trump now in the second term that's released all this information, and multiple presidents tried to, but they were worked against by their own secretaries within these agencies and then deep state actors that try to block the efforts for release.

01:35:03.000 Now you're seeing kind of a flush of the system.

01:35:05.000 And even though information hasn't come out as fast as we would like it to, the fact that they've made these admissions is really good.

01:35:12.000 But moving forward into how do you prevent this from happening again, it's people really do, like young people especially, because there's so much fatigue for people that have been in office for, you know, and the reason I say that, like, I don't even want to do this for the next 10 years is because everyone, even people I've looked up to, after a certain amount of time, they lose their edge.

01:35:31.000 And I think that that's because like you're up there, you're taking in a lot of incoming.

01:35:34.000 It's not a fun job.

01:35:35.000 Like you're getting attacked, like you're getting beat down, it's stressful.

01:35:39.000 But if you can put all your energy in it now and then you can cut ties and pass it on, that's how our founding fathers wanted us to do is like pass the torch, stand up the next year.

01:35:47.000 Right, but we have a bunch of career politicians that want to stay in office for 50, 60 years.

01:35:52.000 And that's a problem.

01:35:52.000 Correct.

01:35:53.000 And it's on both sides.

01:35:54.000 Yeah, it's on both sides.

01:35:55.000 So I'm trying to do a discharge petition now on term limits.

01:35:58.000 So back in January of my first term, so back in January of 2022, I'm sure you saw there was like this massive speaker's fight about confirming Kevin McCarthy as a speakers of the Speaker of the House.

01:36:11.000 And I was part of one of those 20 that said, we're not going to vote for you just yet.

01:36:15.000 We need to reform the institution and the way that we function because power had been consolidated within the speaker's position so much so that how it's supposed to work is you're supposed to be able to bring a bill forward.

01:36:26.000 That bill's supposed to come to the floor.

01:36:28.000 All these policies were being consolidated in one person.

01:36:32.000 And if you didn't fall in line, you wouldn't get committee assignments.

01:36:36.000 You wouldn't be able to fundraise.

01:36:37.000 They would basically cut off all aspects of fundraising in Washington.

01:36:41.000 And the mainstream media for a while was like, you guys are disrupting the process.

01:36:44.000 You know, like you guys are fighting.

01:36:46.000 Well, what the hell do you want Congress to do?

01:36:47.000 You want us to just fall in line and not argue our principles?

01:36:49.000 Like that's last time I checked, you're supposed to fight for that.

01:36:52.000 And so we were able to reform the institution.

01:36:54.000 But one of the things that we had negotiated with the former speaker was we wanted a vote on term limits and that never came up.

01:37:00.000 And so now because of our very slim majority, one of the most slim majorities in U.S. history, we have the ability to do something called a discharge petition.

01:37:08.000 And it's where you can physically go down and basically collect signatures on a bill.

01:37:13.000 And so I'm bringing forward two that have already been filed.

01:37:16.000 One is going to be to force a vote on term limits.

01:37:18.000 So I'm going to see if members of Congress will actually put their name to actually bring that bill to the floor.

01:37:22.000 There's going to be a massive, I hope, pressure campaign to activate members to do that.

01:37:26.000 And then the other one is banning insider trading.

01:37:28.000 Yeah, that's been talked about for a while.

01:37:31.000 But hasn't been done.

01:37:32.000 And we can do it now.

01:37:33.000 And she just needs a little more money and then she'll quit. 1.00

01:37:36.000 Well, it's not, you know, there was a comms director meeting for the entire GOP, and I'm calling up Burchett's bill on banning insider trading, and we were not invited to that meeting.

01:37:47.000 Our staff was excommunicated from that.

01:37:48.000 I wonder why.

01:37:49.000 Something about making money.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, I know.

01:37:51.000 Shocker.

01:37:52.000 It's crazy how openly corrupt that part of the business is.

01:37:55.000 But the thing is, once you've become accustomed to being able to do something and you've been able to do it for decades, you're very reluctant to give that up.

01:38:03.000 Why would you give that up?

01:38:04.000 That's a huge advantage.

01:38:05.000 People say that it doesn't exist.

01:38:07.000 But last time I checked, when you are given access to CEOs, when you're given access to information that are affecting markets, and then you're on the committee that has purview over those bills, you do have information.

01:38:20.000 Say things like you have a little more than the average person.

01:38:24.000 You know, you can look at people's, you know, they go in, you're making $175 a year, and then all of a sudden you come out, you're worth like $20 million, $200 million.

01:38:24.000 And there's a lot.

01:38:31.000 It's kind of shady.

01:38:33.000 You're not really gambling.

01:38:34.000 The stock market is kind of gambling.

01:38:37.000 The UFC doesn't even allow me to gamble, and I can't even affect the outcome.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, see, so you can't do it, but Congress can't.

01:38:43.000 Congress can, you know?

01:38:45.000 For now, at least.

01:38:46.000 The inside information that I have, anybody could have.

01:38:49.000 Mostly.

01:38:50.000 Not really.

01:38:51.000 No, that's not true.

01:38:52.000 No, I know some stuff sometimes, unfortunately.

01:38:54.000 Yeah, I was told if I forced a vote, that I was going to cost us the Republic, is what I was told.

01:38:57.000 But the thing about the insider trading thing is the amount of money is so egregious.

01:39:04.000 Like, isn't Pelosi now worth $400 million?

01:39:07.000 I saw upwards of 200 million, but I thought she jacked up her portfolio recently significantly.

01:39:14.000 But it's not just her, it's on both sides.

01:39:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:16.000 No, she's just the poster lady, unfortunately.

01:39:20.000 No slight at her.

01:39:21.000 It gets all across the board.

01:39:22.000 If you look at how many people, it's red, blue, red, blue.

01:39:25.000 It's the whole thing.

01:39:26.000 Everybody's doing it.

01:39:27.000 I told my husband, I was like, we're not going to do stocks because it's just, that's the one thing.

01:39:27.000 I am.

01:39:32.000 You can talk to anyone.

01:39:33.000 I actually was reading an article, and the local press are like, Rap Loon is trying to force a vote on this, right? 0.98

01:39:38.000 And so, like, I'm always the kind of red-headed stepchild, usually, especially in dumb circles. 0.95

01:39:44.000 But this one lady posted, I actually started laughing. 1.00

01:39:46.000 She goes, Well, a broken clock is right twice a day.

01:39:50.000 And I started laughing because I'm like, it's such like a bipartisan issue.

01:39:52.000 Like, over 80% of Americans don't think that Congress should be able to trade stock.

01:39:56.000 And it's true because we're given access to information and that that's truly influencing your discussion.

01:39:59.000 Did you ask her what your what the rest of you are wrong about?

01:40:02.000 I mean, I tend to, I think it's just, I think it's party party associations.

01:40:07.000 Like some people just will never vote.

01:40:08.000 A broken clock.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, people are rabid and they're super upset now, obviously, because Trump's in office again.

01:40:10.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 So that rabid nature has been overamplified.

01:40:20.000 It has.

01:40:21.000 I think a lot of it, though, is driven by like bot activity, I think, is really big.

01:40:26.000 I can tell you that when I first launched the task force, people were like, she's an intelligence asset.

01:40:30.000 She's never going to release information.

01:40:31.000 Then it came out that I actually don't have declassification authority.

01:40:34.000 But we have been able to produce wins and we are getting full cooperation from the executive branch.

01:40:39.000 So we're just simply investigating the findings, collecting the information, and pressuring for release.

01:40:43.000 There's real people along with those bots, but real people are also influenced by bots as well.

01:40:48.000 Group things.

01:40:49.000 There's waves of negativity and positivity that go in certain directions that are orchestrated.

01:40:54.000 And there's companies that are known companies that you could actually hire them to go and do stuff.

01:40:59.000 They exist in Florida, actually.

01:41:01.000 There's a couple of social media influencers that have been approached.

01:41:03.000 I've seen it, so I know it exists.

01:41:05.000 Crazy.

01:41:06.000 What's interesting, though, is it goes back to the, you never want to get in trouble in a crowd of people because they'll just look at each other.

01:41:11.000 You ever see like someone getting beat up and they just like film it, right?

01:41:13.000 So they're going to help that person.

01:41:15.000 And that's part of that group think.

01:41:16.000 It exists online.

01:41:18.000 I do think X needs to do something, at least be able to label bot accounts because I've seen it happen, especially on certain things.

01:41:24.000 Like I had done something to allow new moms to vote when you're recovering. 1.00

01:41:29.000 Our job is different.

01:41:30.000 Like only 13 women in U.S. history have ever given birth.

01:41:33.000 It's about to be 14 who are members of Congress.

01:41:36.000 And God forbid we enter a war or something.

01:41:38.000 We're not going to be able to vote.

01:41:39.000 If you're recovering in a hospital, that's a pretty like rare circumstance.

01:41:45.000 And so there was definitely bot accounts that were attacking me for that and accusing me of destroying the Republic again.

01:41:50.000 I said, I don't think that that's the case.

01:41:52.000 Yeah, that's not tinfoil hat stuff, folks.

01:41:55.000 You really need to know that.

01:41:57.000 Why wouldn't there be?

01:41:58.000 This is the thing.

01:41:59.000 Like if you were, whether it's this country, a corporation, another country, why wouldn't you automate your system or have AI or even just have actual people that have a job and their job is to type inflammatory whatever it is, insults, whatever it is, like whatever their accomplishment, whatever their goal they're trying to accomplish is.

01:42:22.000 Why wouldn't you have a group of people that you have at your command if it's legal?

01:42:27.000 Because it is legal.

01:42:28.000 So it is legal.

01:42:30.000 And in politics, what's interesting is they'll test, like, especially when you're running for office, it's kind of interesting because you'll actually, during my first race, I actually had a firm that I was going to for consulting.

01:42:40.000 And they had someone that had worked at the firm that had also worked with like McDonald's branding.

01:42:44.000 So like people that are running for office will bring on these terms and then they'll like give them kind of like a branding profile.

01:42:50.000 What was interesting about that is that, you know, you have this aspect of bot activity.

01:42:55.000 Social media at the time was kind of just resurfacing is if you want to be kind of influential, you have to be able to use social media, share your message, and get that out there.

01:43:03.000 And I think Trump really kind of refined that and was kind of one of the leading figures in that, especially when Twitter 1.0 was in existence.

01:43:10.000 But then you had this aspect of people that were running for office.

01:43:13.000 And then there was actually a censorship state in this country.

01:43:16.000 And we found that out that Twitter 1.0 was coordinating with the Department of Homeland Security.

01:43:21.000 We found this out actually in a congressional hearing where they were actually, and DHS had a division under SISA that was supposed to be monitoring terrorist organizations and they were using it on the American people to censor information, specifically on COVID on January 6th, all that.

01:43:34.000 That is scary.

01:43:36.000 You still have censorship issues in places like the EU.

01:43:38.000 So to think that they wouldn't use social media platforms, especially to influence masses, is just, that's not a conspiracy theory that happens.

01:43:45.000 We have evidence of that.

01:43:46.000 Of course, censorship is influencing.

01:43:48.000 It's also causing people to self-censor, which changes discourse.

01:43:51.000 Yeah, not wanting to have conversations.

01:43:53.000 Yeah, but you can get banned from Twitter for a variety of things, particularly during COVID.

01:43:57.000 But I think CODE was also a great test case for them to see if there is some sort of catastrophe, some natural disaster, some national security issue where we could now enforce new regulations of censorship.

01:44:10.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, and scary regulations at that because COVID was really kind of dystopian.

01:44:15.000 And going back to kind of, you know, I think you'd mentioned foreign government influence using bots.

01:44:19.000 The one thing that's been interesting is in our investigation, so like taking now my task force hat off and going into actually problems that we see right now happening.

01:44:28.000 You saw this like massive a couple of weeks ago, a rift that was taking place between the American people specifically on immigration and all of a sudden these like pop-up riots.

01:44:36.000 I actually called them the Timu riots, like the Timu Chinese app, because it came out via actually this woman, her name's Dada Republican on X, and she actually tracked down the funding line.

01:44:47.000 And what was happening was the Chinese government was basically propping up this billionaire, American billionaire, Neville Singham.

01:44:54.000 And actually, he was donating money to organizations like Party of Socialism and Liberation.

01:45:00.000 And they were actually funding a lot of these riot pop-ups in the area.

01:45:03.000 So you had people that were being used, divided, for example, on the immigration topic.

01:45:08.000 You literally have them passing out, you know, Mexican flags saying that they cared about immigrants when in actuality, the financial ties is actually coming from the CCP.

01:45:16.000 So the Chinese government, on many occasions, and it's not uncommon within Congress to know, even on apps like TikTok, they were showing certain information in order to cause a rift and influence people.

01:45:27.000 This same individual, Neville Singham, actually, once we got this information, we sent a request to have him come testify to Congress.

01:45:33.000 And he spends part of his year in Shanghai, China.

01:45:36.000 And so we were not able to deliver him his subpoena, basically.

01:45:39.000 And so there's a letter that Chairman Comer has now authorized to be sent that will go to the Treasury Department to freeze his assets unless he comes to testify to Congress.

01:45:48.000 Wow.

01:45:49.000 And that, mind you, this is not, you know, people, and like, look, I started out before politics with my feet getting wet as an activist.

01:45:57.000 Like, that's actually how we started out in politics.

01:45:59.000 So, like, I understand the immigration, the board, I like understand all arguments because I've been through it and I've had a debate on debate it.

01:46:07.000 But what's the problem for me is that you have foreign governments trying to cause a rift and then promote ideologies that will empower people specifically to push forward policy that will actually put us as like second tier as opposed to the Chinese government.

01:46:23.000 And I do think that the Chinese government in their execution has been very, very specific about how they want to hinder our ability to be global dominators. 0.76

01:46:34.000 And I think when you're looking at what happened in COVID timeframe, right?

01:46:37.000 So like a lot of people said that Wuhan lab leaked, that that was a conspiracy theory.

01:46:41.000 We now know that it happened and that was true. 1.00

01:46:43.000 But at the same time, if you look at what President Trump was doing, he was actually trying to negotiate trade with China and he was winning.

01:46:48.000 And then all of a sudden COVID happened.

01:46:50.000 Well, what was interesting second time around in Trump 2.0 is that you have all these Timu riots taking place at the same time and it almost got no coverage in the mainstream media, but you had multiple Chinese nationals that were caught trying to release agro-terrorism weapons.

01:47:05.000 Yeah, we talked about those.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, agro-terrorism weapons.

01:47:08.000 And then at the same time, the tariff war was taking place and then you actually saw them trying to infiltrate.

01:47:13.000 So I don't think it's by accident, but I do think that it's important to remember that just because you see something happening on the mainstream media, the media will always try to amplify something because it's rage baiting and its click and its views, which translates to money.

01:47:25.000 And if it's negative against Trump, it gets front page.

01:47:28.000 Of course, of course.

01:47:28.000 But when you actually look at where the funding stream is coming from, it actually goes back to China.

01:47:33.000 And this is not the only incident where they try to drive a wedge between Americans and then actually like sexual, like compartmentalize with Hispanic Americans specifically. 0.50

01:47:42.000 So in 2016, now the largest voting minority in the country are Hispanic Americans specifically of Mexican descent.

01:47:49.000 And I think you can find that stat on pewhispanic.org.

01:47:52.000 So when you're looking at voting demographics, how could you influence an entire demographic to help skew or influence a midterm election?

01:47:58.000 And it would be specifically probably on The immigration topic to try to race bait people. 0.59

01:48:03.000 But then you have this aspect of the same guy, Neville Singham, his wife actually funds an organization called Code Pink.

01:48:10.000 So this is all Chinese money now going to a separate cause.

01:48:13.000 And this one specifically is on the Israel versus Palestine issue.

01:48:17.000 They don't care about Israelis or Palestinians.

01:48:20.000 This is a Chinese-funded group.

01:48:22.000 And what they're doing is they're using that front in an effort to then divide on that topic as well.

01:48:26.000 So it's a multifaceted approach using minority classes in order to actually push the end goal, which would be communism. 0.93

01:48:33.000 Wow.

01:48:34.000 And also, too, you can actually look on the flyers for these organizations.

01:48:38.000 So PSL, Neville Singham is actually an open admirer of Mao Zedong.

01:48:43.000 I mean, like, it's all up there and it's out there for you to find.

01:48:46.000 But it's just crazy because most people, you know, you see this aspect of propaganda that's being shown to you, and you're not going to be like, who's funding that?

01:48:54.000 You're not going to be able to say, like, you know, tell with that person.

01:48:57.000 I'm going to fight for this.

01:48:57.000 But that's, they don't actually realize the more nefarious perspective of what's happening behind the scenes.

01:49:02.000 So I absolutely believe this is true, that I'm sure other countries fund similar things, but also it was in reaction to some of the ICE raids, right?

01:49:13.000 I mean, it was a visceral reaction that a lot of people had, the idea of people just showing up and pulling people out of schools and pulling people out of Home Depot and pulling people that were just hardworking people that maybe snuck over here because they didn't have a legal way to get over here.

01:49:30.000 But since they've been here, they've been good people and they're a part of communities.

01:49:34.000 And that's what freaks people out because when people thought about ICE, they thought, great, we're going to get rid of the gang members.

01:49:40.000 They didn't think, great, you're going to get rid of a landscaper.

01:49:42.000 But the question is, why didn't they do it then during why did these riots and why did this happen in the middle?

01:49:48.000 I don't disagree with you.

01:49:49.000 I think Obama Biden.

01:49:50.000 Listen, I'm sure some of these riots absolutely are manufactured.

01:49:56.000 I'm sure they are.

01:49:57.000 I'm sure these pallets of bricks that get left off on corners when they know that there's going to be bananas.

01:50:04.000 Well, they fundraise.

01:50:05.000 But to your point, so how do you fix something like the immigration system as a whole, right?

01:50:11.000 You definitely don't have an open border.

01:50:12.000 That's crazy.

01:50:13.000 Because you need to know if people are criminals that are coming in.

01:50:16.000 You don't want cartel members coming in.

01:50:17.000 You don't want murderers coming in and serial killers.

01:50:20.000 Like, there's a reason why we have borders.

01:50:23.000 All the above, right?

01:50:24.000 There's a reason why we have borders.

01:50:25.000 But the thing that freaks people out is like, how many corporations rely on illegal labor?

01:50:31.000 Oh, how many people?

01:50:32.000 Chicken farms is one of them.

01:50:34.000 I actually, yeah, we actually, last year, I was putting out some messaging on them because I'd watched this documentary about the slaughterhouses, how they're actually using migrant children, like 14, 15, in some of these slaughterhouses.

01:50:47.000 And the lobbyist from Tyson Chicken Corporation contacted my chief of staff at the time and was like trying to basically say like, hey, like basically back off, but like, I don't care.

01:50:59.000 Like, it's wrong.

01:50:59.000 Like, I don't care where you're on the spectrum.

01:51:01.000 You shouldn't allow migrant labor with children specifically because it's child slave labor.

01:51:06.000 I'll tell you a story that a high-level government official told me.

01:51:08.000 Okay.

01:51:09.000 I don't want to, I don't know if he said it on here or not, so I don't want to say his name.

01:51:12.000 Wait, so he was on here, so then that narrows it.

01:51:15.000 Fact up.

01:51:15.000 Okay, it's okay.

01:51:17.000 Someone actually said to him that they don't want to stop the illegal immigration because they need cheap labor.

01:51:24.000 Correct.

01:51:24.000 I actually think that it'll never stop, at least not in Congress.

01:51:27.000 But they don't have to pay them any benefits.

01:51:29.000 They don't have to take care of their insurance.

01:51:31.000 Or pay them at all.

01:51:32.000 Well, they pay them, but they don't have to pay them what they're supposed to pay them.

01:51:34.000 Well, I've heard cases where people, specifically contractors, will walk on people if they know that they're here illegally.

01:51:40.000 And like, so going back to like, how do you fix this?

01:51:43.000 Right.

01:51:44.000 Is one of the top cases that I handle aside from Social Security help and refunds, like within my congressional office.

01:51:50.000 So a congressional office does constituent services and it's basically like customer service.

01:51:54.000 Like, have you been victimized by the federal government?

01:51:57.000 You know, call this number.

01:51:58.000 That's your congressional office.

01:51:59.000 So specifically on immigration cases, like if you've had an issue with the State Department visas, all that, you can contact your local congressman.

01:52:07.000 And so what I will say is that we've had people that have spent like tens of thousands of dollars to come here, but it takes like 20-something years to do.

01:52:16.000 And that's part of the problem is there's been such an influx and such a bog down of the actual system that our actual system is not functioning at the capacity that it should to actually help people come here the correct way.

01:52:26.000 Well, especially poor people, right?

01:52:28.000 And if you want to immigrate to the United States, the application, one of the things they ask you is, are you an expert in something where people in the United States can't do it?

01:52:39.000 Like a doctor or maybe you're a musician and like no one else could sing your songs.

01:52:44.000 Like you, you Maybe you could get citizenship from that.

01:52:48.000 But if you're just a landscaper, you're just a guy who lives in a third world country and you want a better life and you say, I heard you can get across and I heard when you get across you can get work.

01:52:58.000 Like what is that guy going to do?

01:52:59.000 That guy doesn't have the money to hire a lawyer.

01:53:01.000 He's not going to, how is he going to prove that he's more valuable than a United States citizen that's already here doing the exact same job?

01:53:08.000 I do think that unless we are able to, A, assign probably more lawyers, more judges to actually hear these cases, it's going to continue to be a problem.

01:53:16.000 And I have heard, okay, on the floor, these are conversations between members that to a certain extent, especially when you're talking about, you know, like an e-verify system within the ag industry, that actually members of that committee don't want that because they know that the farmers are actually heavily relying on some of these illegals to work at the farm.

01:53:33.000 Yeah, and construction crews and fill in the blanks.

01:53:36.000 So I can confirm that.

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:38.000 So isn't the solution force people to pay everybody exactly the same way?

01:53:44.000 Well, yeah, because you don't have the decrease in wages.

01:53:47.000 However, I think the bigger problem that we have here, though, is that, at least specifically in my district, and then also to having argued this, is that this gray area that's been created, in my opinion, they don't want a solution for.

01:53:58.000 They do it intentionally with the understanding that both sides are going to fundraise off of it.

01:54:03.000 In my opinion, if I was to be able to actually fix this, I would say that you have to, I would say, pause, let the system run through, take everyone in, vet them, make sure that they're not criminals, et cetera.

01:54:14.000 But then the system allows time for it to actually catch up to itself and then you can continue as is.

01:54:20.000 What you just said was so scary that they don't want to resolve it because they want the issue to exist so they could fundraise for it against it.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 That's so nuts and probably so accurate.

01:54:33.000 That's probably so accurate.

01:54:36.000 Because anytime anything ever happens, one of the first things they do is like, please donate.

01:54:41.000 Like throw it up.

01:54:42.000 So all the people that are very reactionary are like, I can't believe this is happening.

01:54:47.000 And you know what's crazy is most elected officials might send out that email, but the email fundraisers actually are taking like 80% of that dollar.

01:54:54.000 That's like usually the average pressure.

01:54:56.000 And it's like, I'm in the wrong business.

01:54:58.000 This is crazy.

01:54:58.000 The scariest thing about nonprofits is how much profit they make.

01:55:02.000 It's really weird when you see the salaries of some of these people that are non-profits.

01:55:06.000 I will never, I will never like, what?

01:55:09.000 How is that?

01:55:10.000 And they do nothing.

01:55:11.000 That's crazy.

01:55:13.000 Or what's going on with the LA fire thing, you know, where they can't figure out where all the money went.

01:55:18.000 It went to 188 different nonprofits.

01:55:21.000 Who is it?

01:55:22.000 Is his name Spencer Pratt?

01:55:22.000 Spencer?

01:55:24.000 I was like, Spencer Pratt for governor.

01:55:26.000 Little pit bull that dude on that thing. 1.00

01:55:29.000 His fucking house got burnt down. 1.00

01:55:31.000 And then they promised all these celebrities are like, yeah, donate. 1.00

01:55:33.000 We'll give it to the victims.

01:55:34.000 It's like, where did it go?

01:55:35.000 There's like this fine print that he wrote.

01:55:37.000 It's really weird, but it exposes the legality of these systems.

01:55:42.000 It's legal for them to operate like that where, you know, an enormous percentage of all the money that comes in goes to overhead.

01:55:49.000 And they did a fine print.

01:55:49.000 It goes to the city.

01:55:51.000 But it's such a scam.

01:55:53.000 It's such a weird scam.

01:55:54.000 And it's such a devious thing because you're pulling on people's heartstrings.

01:55:58.000 Which is why, going back to what I said, we need younger people and we need more normal people to run for office.

01:56:04.000 We need AI to take over.

01:56:06.000 I don't know about AI.

01:56:07.000 AI is our God.

01:56:08.000 So no, no, no, no.

01:56:10.000 AI is our governor.

01:56:12.000 AI is our king.

01:56:13.000 That's what we'll say in school now.

01:56:14.000 AI is our king.

01:56:15.000 We need to, I think AI can be used in good senses.

01:56:19.000 Like I can, and I ask Grock things a lot and I will argue points, but I think we need to work alongside it because there's this aspect of AI that removes the humanity.

01:56:28.000 Like I don't think you can teach AI empathy.

01:56:30.000 And there's a certain aspect of humanity that needs to be kept involved in these decision-making processes.

01:56:35.000 For example, if you have a drone that's been targeted to, let's say, eliminate a terrorist at this grid location and it's functioning solely on AI, well, what's going to enable it to be able to pause on destruction of a location if there's children within it?

01:56:51.000 I mean, if it's a bot, it's not thinking.

01:56:54.000 It's true, but the U.S. history of drone use is no better than what you just described.

01:56:59.000 Well, There are oversights and massive investigations, especially if it's in regards to civilian casualties.

01:57:05.000 But civilian casualties are the majority of deaths from drones.

01:57:09.000 I would say based on the people that I've talked with and interacted, it's definitely happened in the past and it's definitely problematic.

01:57:17.000 However, I think if people get in trouble for it, but it's the majority.

01:57:20.000 I'd have to, I mean, like, I don't know.

01:57:23.000 The majority of the people that died were civilians.

01:57:26.000 They weren't the intended targets.

01:57:28.000 Well, and that's a problem.

01:57:29.000 And that's where a lot of these people do.

01:57:30.000 You have LOAC, so there's massive investigations with the JAGS, et cetera, that get involved in these investigations.

01:57:36.000 But I'm saying, like, would AI be better than that?

01:57:38.000 No, I think you can have, I think you can have an AI decision-making process, but where there's a human involved in that step process.

01:57:38.000 I don't know.

01:57:44.000 So, like, the human would be the final step in authority.

01:57:46.000 So, the AI would rank it.

01:57:48.000 And, like, granted, I'm not an AI programmer, but I am saying that I think that there's an interface where you can have humans involved in the final step.

01:57:53.000 Well, the most terrifying solution is not that, is don't use the missiles.

01:57:59.000 Instead, you have a drone that specifically targets one person.

01:58:03.000 Yeah, there's suicide drones.

01:58:05.000 But I mean, even worse, it flies through the house and lands on the dude's head and blows up.

01:58:05.000 Yeah.

01:58:10.000 Don't freak me out too much because the Chinese have a little spy drone that's like literally this big. 1.00

01:58:15.000 Have you seen it?

01:58:16.000 Yeah, and they just have bug drones. 0.95

01:58:18.000 I'm sure our government does too.

01:58:18.000 Mosquitoes.

01:58:20.000 There's no way the Chinese are the only ones who do it, especially if they really have been back engineering UFOs for the last 45 years. 1.00

01:58:28.000 I don't think that any other government is as advanced in regards to that topic as we potentially are.

01:58:35.000 And I say that because if that were the case, then they would be the world superpower.

01:58:38.000 I agree with that, but I also think that even though we probably have the best military contractors, we also get infiltrated by the Chinese government and the Russian government all the time.

01:58:48.000 Oh, that's and Congress gets infiltrated.

01:58:52.000 Yes.

01:58:52.000 Like how many people like have all of a sudden like girlfriends, Chinese girlfriend?

01:58:56.000 Thank wink.

01:58:58.000 No comment on that one.

01:59:00.000 Guys are weak.

01:59:01.000 We're so weak.

01:59:01.000 All you have to do is be hot.

01:59:03.000 We're stupid. 1.00

01:59:04.000 He's my biggest fan, that guy. 1.00

01:59:05.000 Of course.

01:59:06.000 There's always going to be people like that that infiltrate universities, that infiltrate research centers.

01:59:12.000 They get information back to the CCP.

01:59:14.000 There's that famous story I think Mark Andreessen told us about how was it in Berkeley?

01:59:23.000 I forget what the corporation was, but the power went down.

01:59:26.000 And so all these CCP people panicked because they were supposed to send the information back.

01:59:32.000 And if they don't, hey, maybe your grandmother doesn't get her medicine. 0.99

01:59:35.000 Maybe, you know what I mean?

01:59:36.000 Maybe your family gets a visit.

01:59:37.000 Like you have to be on time.

01:59:38.000 The University of Michigan has now had like what, two?

01:59:40.000 I think those agro-terrorism was like University of Michigan. 0.82

01:59:43.000 Yeah, it's like all over the country.

01:59:45.000 They've been infiltrated by like these governments have like very cleverly inserted their ideology into these universities.

01:59:52.000 Like Yuri Besbanov talked about this, that Russia was doing this in the 1980s.

01:59:56.000 It was 1984.

01:59:57.000 The one thing that's been interesting is, and a lot of people aren't talking about, there's one representative member, Republican from California that's addressing it.

02:00:05.000 But when they have surrogates have children here for U.S. citizenship, but then they take them back and fully integrate them and educate them in China.

02:00:13.000 And so technically they're U.S. citizens, but they are being totally raised with the ideology and perspective of the Chinese government.

02:00:20.000 And that's an interesting perspective.

02:00:22.000 And then they come back over here and they're full U.S. citizens.

02:00:24.000 Yep.

02:00:24.000 Working for the Chinese government.

02:00:26.000 Yes, access to all of our resources, everything, education system.

02:00:30.000 And then we sell the Chinese government land around our military bases.

02:00:34.000 Oh, that has been, and I get, you know, I love our libertarian brothers, okay, and sisters, but I have gotten into so many debates on this because they're like, well, you know, we shouldn't limit an American's ability to actually sell their property.

02:00:45.000 And I'm like, yeah, but the Chinese government literally wants to eliminate the West as we know it. 0.52

02:00:50.000 And so we have to be cognizant of that.

02:00:51.000 And also, too, by the way, it's not like you're just like buying a military installation.

02:00:55.000 You think that they're not actually putting tech and or observing, monitoring, pulling all of our resources.

02:01:01.000 Not just that.

02:01:01.000 Mike Baker talked about this on the podcast, that they sell cell phone towers to these companies.

02:01:09.000 Well, Huawei, which was, they were really problematic.

02:01:12.000 But they sell these cell phone towers near these bases.

02:01:17.000 And so they sell them at a discounted rate.

02:01:19.000 And then the Huawei stuff was crazy because it actually had like a third-party access built into some of their systems.

02:01:24.000 And a lot of the tech that they actually sell here, whether it's to our law enforcement, so like anytime you have Specifically, I would say, like within even our craning and like our actual shipping operations, those things are sending signals back home. 0.94

02:01:38.000 Yeah, well, we're so stupid, we can't make those things. 0.74

02:01:41.000 Well, we should be making. 0.99

02:01:43.000 So, there's policy changes where if you have an American business, you can now actually get a big tax incentive for manufacturing back home.

02:01:48.000 That's great, but it's going to take 10 years for us to even catch up to where they are now.

02:01:52.000 We just got to stay the course. 0.99

02:01:54.000 What a dumb idea. 0.99

02:01:55.000 Like, everyone has a cell phone, no one can make a phone. 0.99

02:01:57.000 What is that?

02:01:59.000 No one saw that coming?

02:02:00.000 That's bananas all the time.

02:02:02.000 They sold us out in the 70s for manufacturing.

02:02:05.000 And I think that that's where you're seeing this aspect of people that are very like, if you talk about, and I'm not like an isolationist by any means, but like I do believe that we should have, especially with COVID, everyone saw this.

02:02:15.000 We should have certain things that are just manufactured here.

02:02:18.000 I think tech is extremely important.

02:02:19.000 I think Paul Marlucky is doing like laptops or something now.

02:02:22.000 Oh, good.

02:02:22.000 And the United States are trying to actually move that over.

02:02:24.000 Elon should make a phone.

02:02:25.000 I bet he's thinking about it because he's in some sort of a dispute right now with Apple because Apple won't.

02:02:31.000 There's something about the way Grok AI shows up, and he's saying that their algorithm is essentially rigged where OpenAI is like Grok AI is never featured.

02:02:42.000 Oh, really?

02:02:42.000 I said something about a dock app on my phone, but so maybe that'll incentivize him to make a phone.

02:02:48.000 Elon, make a phone, and we'll try it out.

02:02:50.000 Elon Musk says Apple is rigging the app store for ChatGPT.

02:02:53.000 The tech mogul is threatening immediate legal action, accusing the iPhone maker of unequivocal antitrust violation designed to favor his AI rival.

02:03:02.000 Oh, is his AI rival the Sam Altman?

02:03:05.000 Yeah.

02:03:06.000 It's interesting.

02:03:07.000 I wonder if that there's, I mean, you don't just say something like that, do you?

02:03:11.000 No, no, he definitely, he's not a dummy.

02:03:14.000 There's definitely something there.

02:03:14.000 He's smart.

02:03:15.000 Oh, readers added context.

02:03:17.000 2025, DeepSeek reached number one, and DeepSeek's the Chinese one, right? 1.00

02:03:22.000 Oh, and DeepSeek's freaky about some of the stuff that it can be.

02:03:24.000 Just one month ago, Perplexity also reached number one overall in India's app store.

02:03:29.000 Both of these occurred after the OpenAI-Apple partnership announced on June 10th, 2024.

02:03:34.000 But what about the United States?

02:03:36.000 Because the United States is the biggest market when it comes to like, we're probably the highest percentage of people that use Apple in the world.

02:03:46.000 It's literally when you go to buy a phone, it's usually an iPhone.

02:03:49.000 I'm almost, I think it's something crazy with kids.

02:03:51.000 It's like 84% or something like that.

02:03:53.000 Oh, don't get me.

02:03:54.000 If you have a kid, keep them off phones as long as you can.

02:03:56.000 Yes, for sure.

02:03:58.000 But the point is, like, the app store in America is that is the monopoly in this country if you want to get an app.

02:04:05.000 I mean, it's not a monopoly, but the leader, the head leader.

02:04:09.000 To be honest with you, I've only ever had an iPhone, and so that's the only platform I've ever used.

02:04:13.000 I know it's like Android versus iPhone.

02:04:14.000 No, I have both.

02:04:15.000 They're both really good.

02:04:17.000 Android's way better than it used to be.

02:04:19.000 But it's still freaky.

02:04:20.000 I had it back in the day, but it's right there where an iPhone is right now, just different and gives you a lot more access to stuff.

02:04:26.000 Well, it's still freaky, though.

02:04:27.000 Then you have these phones that are considered actual safe phones that aren't ripping your data and basically turning on every 10 minutes to kind of be able to target you for sales, whatever it might be.

02:04:37.000 I can tell you that, you know, given my job and some of this stuff, I am totally freaked out by having an iPhone, and I look forward to the day where I don't have to have a phone.

02:04:45.000 I'm going to get a flip phone.

02:04:46.000 You're going to be cheaper.

02:04:47.000 They're going to already have a chip in your head by then.

02:04:49.000 No, absolutely.

02:04:50.000 Me, of all people, no chips.

02:04:52.000 We're chip-free.

02:04:53.000 I don't know if there are any phones that really truly are safe.

02:04:57.000 I mean, I know that there's some phones that run on alternative operating systems that aren't Google.

02:05:04.000 What is that alternative system that they use with pixel phones?

02:05:07.000 That now, at least the French government, when they find people that have Google phones, they immediately look at that person as a point of interest.

02:05:16.000 Because they're like, we can't track you.

02:05:18.000 Yeah, because they're using this other operating system.

02:05:20.000 What is it called again?

02:05:21.000 I can't remember it, but it's what Adam Curry uses.

02:05:24.000 It's a de-Googled iPhone that uses an alternative operating system.

02:05:29.000 So this doesn't send data. 0.84

02:05:32.000 I'm sure the GPS sucks.

02:05:34.000 It's probably called graphene. 0.97

02:05:35.000 That's right.

02:05:36.000 Graphene OS.

02:05:37.000 So there's multiple different OSs that people use outside of the Google, but you can only use it on Android phones, and a lot of people use it on pixel phones.

02:05:47.000 You can actually buy them.

02:05:48.000 What is that guy's name?

02:05:50.000 The Asian gentleman who has that Rob Braxton. 0.91

02:05:56.000 He sells them.

02:05:57.000 And he is like a security advocate.

02:06:00.000 He's always talking to you about how insecure all of your technology is and explaining why they added this and what this means now and where your data is going and how they can track you.

02:06:11.000 It's made me.

02:06:13.000 So he sells de-googled Googled iPhones.

02:06:16.000 Oh, he's a response to Joe Rogan.

02:06:18.000 Joe Rogan was wondering what I'm hiding five years ago. 0.98

02:06:21.000 I was fucking around. 0.93

02:06:22.000 I was just saying, what's that guy hiding? 0.99

02:06:23.000 He's scared.

02:06:24.000 So this guy's been at this forever, right?

02:06:27.000 So five years ago, we were talking about him and he was making these phones five years ago.

02:06:32.000 Well, and from a government perspective, you have this aspect of a lot of people don't want to reform FISA.

02:06:37.000 FISA in the way that it can surveillance Americans is pretty freaky.

02:06:41.000 We would like to really freaky.

02:06:42.000 Really freaky.

02:06:43.000 And we, you know, I actually did not get a committee assignment on House Armed Services as a vet because I voted against FISA.

02:06:53.000 And I was one of two that voted against it.

02:06:56.000 And they said that I was not a team player.

02:06:58.000 But when you actually look at play for the team.

02:07:00.000 Yeah.

02:07:01.000 It seems to be like an ongoing thing.

02:07:02.000 I am playing for the team, but it's just not the DC.

02:07:05.000 Isn't that a nutty thing to say?

02:07:06.000 Like, whatever happened to the representative of the people?

02:07:10.000 What are we doing?

02:07:12.000 There's still a few good representatives, but it's few and far between.

02:07:16.000 Well, I think it's hard.

02:07:17.000 It's probably hard to stay course.

02:07:19.000 It's probably hard to keep your morals and your ethics wheel everyone around you isn't.

02:07:26.000 You have to not.

02:07:28.000 So some of the best representatives, best even people in government are the ones that did not have to do this job.

02:07:34.000 Right.

02:07:35.000 And that's because if you're giving up something to come here, it means that you're doing it for the right reasons.

02:07:40.000 If you have nothing to gain from this position and this is the only thing you've ever wanted to be, you're usually not the best person for that job.

02:07:47.000 And I say that because you are then only going to do what it takes to get re-elected, which means that you are willing to compromise your principles because there will be decisions that you have to take where you're going to have to stand firm on your principles and be like, I can't vote for that.

02:07:58.000 And there's massive pressure campaigns.

02:08:00.000 Like when a certain bill comes up, if I'm voting against it, you have planted stories in the press.

02:08:05.000 You have super PACs that will come in and drop text messages in your district to your constituents saying that, did you know that Representative so-and-so voted against this?

02:08:14.000 And so you have to be able to be like, all right, I'm just going to just disconnect.

02:08:17.000 And, you know, at a certain point, you do have to do that because then you're just, you'll go crazy.

02:08:21.000 You definitely go crazy if you read all the bots.

02:08:23.000 Oh, you can't read.

02:08:24.000 Don't fight with the bots.

02:08:26.000 Don't fight with the bots.

02:08:27.000 No, people do read them.

02:08:28.000 It's just interesting.

02:08:29.000 It's like representative, like when you see representatives today, some of them are kind of characters, you know, where they become.

02:08:38.000 It's like Gotham.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 Where they become popular.

02:08:41.000 You know, they become like Fetterman, you know, as popular.

02:08:44.000 He's not too.

02:08:45.000 He's changed.

02:08:46.000 He's like, actually, makes sense on much more reasonable than most.

02:08:50.000 He's a logical guy.

02:08:50.000 Yeah.

02:08:51.000 He's a very nice guy.

02:08:52.000 I think it's hilarious that he still wears the hoodie and the shorts.

02:08:55.000 Like he's exploiting a rule.

02:08:59.000 He is in the Senate.

02:09:00.000 He's kind of right.

02:09:01.000 He's kind of right.

02:09:02.000 And that is really how he likes to dress.

02:09:04.000 Like when I saw him in DC, it was like 10 degrees out.

02:09:08.000 This dude had shorts on and a hoodie, a Carhartt hoodie.

02:09:12.000 But he's like, that's genuinely him, I think.

02:09:15.000 Oh, he's a big guy, too.

02:09:15.000 He's a good guy.

02:09:17.000 So like, there's only a single thing.

02:09:18.000 He sweats a lot.

02:09:19.000 Probably easily warm legs.

02:09:21.000 Not saying that we know he sweats, but just, you know.

02:09:23.000 He's a big guy.

02:09:23.000 For sure he does.

02:09:25.000 But yeah, no, he's reasonable.

02:09:27.000 But the point is he's kind of a character.

02:09:29.000 Like Jasmine Crockett's a character.

02:09:30.000 AOC's a character.

02:09:31.000 There's characters.

02:09:32.000 And they're like main characters in this political show that we're all watching on television.

02:09:37.000 Oversight.

02:09:38.000 So I actually was on oversight with all those people, except for Fetterman.

02:09:42.000 And what I'll tell you is oversight tends to bring out the characters for sure.

02:09:47.000 And what I will say is that actually I have been able to, on certain things, like with AOC, I introduced a piece of legislation.

02:09:54.000 So there was a partner bill in the Senate with Bernie Sanders and I think Josh Hawley to cap credit card interest at 10%.

02:10:00.000 And then we started getting, I started getting a lot of heat for it because people were like, you can't do that.

02:10:04.000 And I was like, well, most of these banks that we're talking about are actually taking government bailouts.

02:10:07.000 So if you're taking a government bailout and you're essentially operating off the goodwill of the federal government, then you should be held as standard.

02:10:14.000 Because then you have like predatory lending.

02:10:15.000 And what ends up happening is some of these people will take out a credit or max out their credit cards and then for the rest of their life, they're paying back the debt.

02:10:23.000 And then also there's something that we've been able to introduce.

02:10:25.000 So this is like the more populist representation where you see both the right and the left Kind of agree on certain things.

02:10:32.000 And there's another bill that I'm introducing with another Democrat and another Republican that's a more moderate Republican, but it's actually to cap student loan interest at 2.5%.

02:10:41.000 That would be wonderful because I was just going to ask you about that.

02:10:44.000 I was reading this woman on X and she was talking about how she graduated with student loans that equaled, I think it was $28,000.

02:10:54.000 She's paid off.

02:10:55.000 She's never missed a payment.

02:10:56.000 Paid off $24,000 and she still owes $60,000.

02:11:01.000 Yeah, so what they do is they actually, and I've been quoted on this, but it creates an indentured servant basically for the rest of their life.

02:11:07.000 They're paying off this debt and you can never actually, you know, function in the middle of the year.

02:11:11.000 Absolutely insane.

02:11:13.000 If she's telling the truth, and I believe she is, that's absolutely insane.

02:11:17.000 You could owe $60,000 plus dollars after a $24,000 or $28,000 loan when you've paid $24,000 of it off.

02:11:24.000 For people that are actually trying to better themselves that might have to take out loans for that, it's crippling.

02:11:30.000 And then they actually can't get a good start at being contributing members of society because they're always functioning in the debt.

02:11:34.000 Exactly.

02:11:35.000 If you want to make America great again, have less people in debt, have less losers.

02:11:39.000 Opportunity.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, have more people that can get things going on because they're not burdened by some crazy debt that really is not right.

02:11:47.000 It's not right that you do that to an 18-year-old kid and saddle them down like that for the rest of their life.

02:11:52.000 And to be clear, like I'm not talking about student loan forgiveness, and I think you're not either.

02:11:55.000 But, you know, I had to join the military.

02:11:57.000 I paid for my college using the GI Bill.

02:11:59.000 And so do I think student loans forgiveness is fair?

02:12:02.000 No.

02:12:02.000 But is this a way that we can actually make a happy medium to where people are actually given the opportunity to pay back the debt?

02:12:08.000 And yes.

02:12:08.000 And so I look forward to introducing that.

02:12:10.000 But that's a piece of legislation that should be on the floor and that it's not.

02:12:13.000 And it's not.

02:12:14.000 In an ideal world, education is free.

02:12:17.000 In an ideal country where you really care about the people and you really want more success stories, education is free.

02:12:23.000 Difficult to get into.

02:12:24.000 You have to be qualified, a true meritocracy, but education should be free.

02:12:29.000 And if these certain people from different parts of the country don't seem to be getting in, address that.

02:12:35.000 Figure out what's wrong with their school system and throw federal funds at that.

02:12:40.000 It's not impossible to figure out why certain school systems are doing poorly and other ones are doing great.

02:12:48.000 I will tell you from a personal lens and perspective.

02:12:51.000 So when I was in my freshman year in high school, I moved up to LA with my mom.

02:12:56.000 And by the time I graduated, I went to six high schools and an adult school.

02:13:01.000 That's actually, I like barely graduated.

02:13:02.000 And what I will say is that one of the high schools It just, how it ended up functioning.

02:13:09.000 So like my freshman year, my mom went through divorce.

02:13:12.000 My dad got arrested.

02:13:13.000 So I have an interesting background.

02:13:14.000 So there's that.

02:13:16.000 A lot of stuff.

02:13:17.000 But I ended up actually going to Venice High School one of these times.

02:13:17.000 Yeah.

02:13:22.000 And that was around my junior year.

02:13:25.000 And what the LA Unified School District was doing at the time is they were actually busing in kids from other parts of LA County.

02:13:31.000 And at the time, specifically in the early 2000s, there was a big issue with the black and Chicano gangs in LA.

02:13:38.000 And so, you know, what was happening outside in the neighborhoods was carrying on into the school districts.

02:13:43.000 And when you have gang activity and like kids, the only opportunity that they have is like being able to join a gang and that's it.

02:13:49.000 You know, they're never going to go to college.

02:13:51.000 They're never going to have the opportunity.

02:13:52.000 And so that carries on into the education system.

02:13:54.000 They're never given a chance.

02:13:55.000 And so I think in Florida, we've been doing it right with school choice.

02:13:58.000 President Trump's been pretty big on that.

02:14:00.000 But being able to give students or their parents the ability to send them to good schools without gang activity outside of their zip code, that matters.

02:14:07.000 And that does impact people.

02:14:08.000 And cracking down on gang activity.

02:14:11.000 So there was a kid that was shot in the parking lot of my school and shot and killed.

02:14:15.000 You had to actually pull up the article, Venice High School School Shooting.

02:14:18.000 No, listen, you don't have to tell me.

02:14:20.000 Venice was crazy.

02:14:21.000 Back before it was gentrified, it was rough.

02:14:23.000 Yeah, and it's kind of getting crazy now with homeless people.

02:14:26.000 I haven't been back since I basically left.

02:14:28.000 So when I was 19, I joined the military, and then my mom ended up leaving California with my little brother and sister probably about like five years ago now.

02:14:36.000 Venice is always such an interesting part of LA because it's like LA, but really weird.

02:14:42.000 Like weird people.

02:14:43.000 Like interesting.

02:14:44.000 LA is weird though as a whole.

02:14:46.000 Yeah, but Venice has like a surf culture, you know, dog town.

02:14:51.000 There's a lot of people that are artists that live there.

02:14:51.000 Dogtown.

02:14:53.000 That affects the vibe of the place.

02:14:56.000 Like Venice in the 90s was really cool.

02:14:58.000 Well, in the early 2000s, it was cool too, but it was rough.

02:15:01.000 I mean, I. It's always been filled with crime.

02:15:03.000 Well, I got jumped.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 And when I was jumping, I got jumped in high school.

02:15:07.000 I swear, like, part of the reason why I'm such a huge advocate for like standing up to bullies is probably because of that.

02:15:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:12.000 Damn. 1.00

02:15:12.000 Venice was rough. 1.00

02:15:14.000 Back in the day.

02:15:15.000 I had a buddy of mine who lived there in the park where he used to take his kid.

02:15:18.000 Someone got shot in it.

02:15:20.000 Yeah.

02:15:21.000 And he's like, okay, great.

02:15:22.000 Where do I take my kid now?

02:15:23.000 I can't.

02:15:24.000 Honestly, seeing all that, though, like being able to see that and then kind of tell that story, like, I do think that there's power in that because there's people that go through that and like think like, man, I might not be able to be successful, but that's not true.

02:15:39.000 You can always fight your way out of it.

02:15:40.000 I joined the military at 19.

02:15:41.000 Best thing I ever did.

02:15:43.000 And I met a lot of other people in the military who grew up in inner city Chicago or wherever it was.

02:15:47.000 They were able to go back and help their family.

02:15:48.000 And to my mom's credit, my mom also has an incredible story, but she had me at 20 years old, single mom.

02:15:57.000 My dad ended up eventually getting clean, but my husband and I moved him in with us and then he got sober.

02:16:02.000 And so that story in itself, I think, you know, you tell your story and it empowers other people, especially to be fighters and not just give up.

02:16:10.000 There's a lot of people who have bad childhoods.

02:16:13.000 And people aren't going to tell you that.

02:16:13.000 Yeah.

02:16:14.000 Like, no one's going to be like, you know, but.

02:16:16.000 But it's also great for someone to hear a story like yours or someone who came out of a similar childhood maybe that they're having.

02:16:22.000 Yep.

02:16:22.000 Or maybe even worse than they're having.

02:16:24.000 And you see what you've been able to do.

02:16:25.000 Like that's powerful to people.

02:16:27.000 Well, and it is.

02:16:28.000 And it's powerful, I think, to an idea that would like to box certain people, whether like you're a woman or you're Hispanic into this stereotype on like how you should believe and think and vote.

02:16:38.000 Or you're poor, you come from a single mom.

02:16:40.000 I think that was one of the most important things about Obama becoming president.

02:16:43.000 We heard like, oh, god, the guy comes from a single mom and he became the president of the United States.

02:16:48.000 It was like, for a lot of people, it's like, okay.

02:16:50.000 Relatable.

02:16:51.000 Yeah, well, maybe my life isn't what I wished it would be, but look what that guy's able to accomplish.

02:16:56.000 Maybe I can do something too instead of thinking I'm going to be a loser forever.

02:17:00.000 Well, what was interesting is I shared my story.

02:17:02.000 So like, remember, I told you I started out as an activist and I would tell people this because, you know, I do feel like to at a certain sense, when you tell your story, you can share that.

02:17:12.000 You're empowering other people to take something and turn it into a positive.

02:17:16.000 And within maybe a couple weeks of me getting elected, I all of a sudden started having this Washington Post reporter reaching out to my family and actually asked my mom whether she had proof that my grandmother had actually passed away HIV positive.

02:17:31.000 Oh God.

02:17:32.000 And was harassing you.

02:17:33.000 She was trying to catch you for lies.

02:17:35.000 And so they put out this nasty, nasty article about me basically trying to say that I had fabricated my dad's incarceration record.

02:17:35.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 They had tried to say that I was a registered Democrat in Washington.

02:17:44.000 Like all this stuff that was categorically false.

02:17:47.000 And I had actually gotten contacted from like my old surgeon.

02:17:50.000 It's a nice little smear piece.

02:17:51.000 Oh, it was terrible, but I had receipts.

02:17:54.000 And so after this came out, I said, no, hold up.

02:17:56.000 And I actually gave Fox News all of my stuff that I had and I was able to refute.

02:18:00.000 And then Time Magazine had actually reached out and they said, would you mind if we conduct like an interview on your background?

02:18:05.000 I said, how about it?

02:18:06.000 Here's my information.

02:18:08.000 I had actually even gotten my DNA done to like prove that I'm Hispanic because of the fact that I'm lighter skinned.

02:18:13.000 When I got elected, there was like this controversy on how Hispanic was I. And like, it was actually a thing.

02:18:18.000 I'm like, I'm not supposed to be like Speedy Gonzales with a sombrero running around.

02:18:22.000 It's like, what am I supposed to do?

02:18:24.000 That's so racist.

02:18:26.000 That's so racist. 0.99

02:18:28.000 How Hispanic. 0.86

02:18:29.000 Isn't that funny that that's the time where the left is allowed to be racist? 1.00

02:18:32.000 She's like, so crazy. 0.98

02:18:33.000 That is such a crazy thing to say. 0.99

02:18:36.000 How Hispanic is she? 1.00

02:18:38.000 How black are you?

02:18:39.000 Exactly.

02:18:40.000 Mr. Obama. 0.78

02:18:40.000 You don't look that black to me. 0.78

02:18:43.000 It was crazy, but I actually gave all this information to Time magazine.

02:18:46.000 Can you imagine saying that to Obama? 0.63

02:18:48.000 How black are you?

02:18:49.000 When people would ask me, I actually mentioned that to a reporter, actually, because of the fact that he's half white and half black.

02:18:55.000 And I said, I'm sorry.

02:18:56.000 Last time I checked, am I not allowed to be white too?

02:18:59.000 Because there was this aspect of I wasn't Hispanic enough because I'm white, but then also this aspect of I'm not white enough because I'm Hispanic.

02:19:04.000 So like, which are you?

02:19:05.000 Oh boy. 0.99

02:19:06.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

02:19:07.000 That's such a ridiculous thing to ask. 0.98

02:19:10.000 It goes in the face of what's supposed to be about their principles.

02:19:15.000 Their principles are supposed to be not seeing color at all.

02:19:18.000 Oh, there's a lot.

02:19:19.000 They're going to attack you and say you're pretending to be Hispanic or that you're barely Hispanic.

02:19:26.000 I'm not Hispanic enough. 0.97

02:19:27.000 What percentage are you?

02:19:28.000 I'm half. 0.99

02:19:29.000 That's 50 fucking percent. 1.00

02:19:31.000 I'm so crazy. 1.00

02:19:32.000 And then I had to explain, though, to a reporter.

02:19:35.000 I said, well, if my mom's half and my dad's half, what does that make me?

02:19:38.000 And she goes, a quarter.

02:19:39.000 I said, no, that's not 50%.

02:19:40.000 I'm three-quarters Italian.

02:19:41.000 Imagine someone's not going to be a little bit more than a hundred.

02:19:43.000 But I'm not Italian.

02:19:44.000 That's hilarious.

02:19:46.000 That's so racist.

02:19:47.000 That's such a crazy thing that they allow it as long as it's coming from their side.

02:19:51.000 And also, too, if I were on the other side, I'd probably be like a rock star.

02:19:56.000 So long story short, so this article comes out.

02:19:58.000 Time magazine investigates after doing like 20-something hours on background.

02:20:02.000 I gave them all the evidence and they actually ended up writing an article on me called The Influencer That Came to Congress and then named me as Time Magazine's next 100 most influential in the world.

02:20:11.000 Well, that's nice of them.

02:20:13.000 I'm just glad that it vindicated me because it was not a fun spot to be in.

02:20:16.000 It's just weird.

02:20:18.000 You know, I know that it's always going to be a part of politics, but it's so disappointing as an enlightened culture that we don't disavow that kind of reporting.

02:20:29.000 And recognize from both sides how detrimental it is to finding out what's real and what's true.

02:20:35.000 It was done, though, because of the fact that people like me specifically don't meet a certain stereotype.

02:20:41.000 And so it was an effort to discredit that effort.

02:20:45.000 But it's like for people wondering, you know, why.

02:20:47.000 And so like I. I think most people are going to know why they did it.

02:20:50.000 It's pretty obvious, but it's just bizarre that we allow it as long as it's from our side.

02:20:55.000 You know, progressives will allow the most devious behaviors from their side. 0.99

02:20:59.000 Republicans are the same thing, the most devious shit, as long as it's beneficial to their side. 1.00

02:21:04.000 And that's what's really stupid. 1.00

02:21:06.000 And we need to disavow that. 1.00

02:21:07.000 You could disagree with someone, don't think they're the right person for the job, vote against them.

02:21:12.000 That's all great. 1.00

02:21:13.000 But when you start deceiving people with false depictions of who a person is and making up a bunch of stupid shit and calling into question how Hispanic they are. 1.00

02:21:25.000 That's so ridiculous. 1.00

02:21:26.000 Just stop. 0.99

02:21:26.000 This is childish. 0.99

02:21:28.000 It's like, this shouldn't be where we're at in 2025.

02:21:32.000 It shouldn't be where we're at.

02:21:34.000 As a mature nation, you know, we're 300 years old now.

02:21:37.000 Figure it out.

02:21:38.000 It was, I think it was actually for my mom, especially.

02:21:41.000 Like, I've been through the ringer politics, so like, I'm kind of battle-hardened for it.

02:21:45.000 I'm like, oh, another hit piece.

02:21:46.000 Like, I don't care.

02:21:47.000 But it was my mom and like what she was subjected to. 0.98

02:21:49.000 And I was like, you know, my mom is really cool.

02:21:51.000 Like, she put herself through law school when I was in high school.

02:21:54.000 Like, she left an abusive marriage.

02:21:55.000 She has come a long way.

02:21:57.000 And so for her to be treated like that, I was like, it's just like one thing in politics.

02:22:01.000 Like, you leave a family out of it.

02:22:02.000 It's immoral. 0.82

02:22:02.000 It's gross. 0.82

02:22:03.000 And again, it's one of those things that we shouldn't tolerate.

02:22:06.000 We shouldn't be doing it.

02:22:07.000 We shouldn't advocate for it.

02:22:09.000 We shouldn't be happy if it's done against the side that's ideologically opposed to us.

02:22:13.000 It's gross. 0.89

02:22:14.000 It's gross. 0.95

02:22:15.000 It's gross as a civilized group of human beings that calls itself a country. 0.99

02:22:20.000 It's gross. 0.99

02:22:21.000 It's gross.

02:22:22.000 It's like there's other ways to do it. 0.99

02:22:25.000 You don't have to just be a twat all the time.

02:22:27.000 I prefer debating on ideology tends to be the best, but people always, it's like in fighting. 0.97

02:22:32.000 You can't just go and sucker punch someone.

02:22:34.000 It's kind of like the same thing.

02:22:35.000 And that was kind of, they try to sucker punch me.

02:22:37.000 And I was like, well, it's also you don't have to be fighting if you believe what you believe and you have a rational argument.

02:22:45.000 You can have a conversation.

02:22:47.000 And this seems to be something that people don't want to do anymore for some weird reason. 1.00

02:22:52.000 They want to just stick to what they think, stick to what they believe, and they don't want to hear a rational, opposing viewpoint because they're so married to their stupid ideas. 0.99

02:23:02.000 It's a lot interesting how Congress functions when the cameras are off. 0.97

02:23:06.000 And I think people would definitely change their opinion because a lot of people will do it for clicks, ratings, and social media has not helped with that because people are looking for what can go viral next.

02:23:15.000 There's like this viral theory that people, you know, they think that they can only be successful on their policy or their argument, whether it's committee hearings or whatever, they want that clip that they can post and then get notoriety for.

02:23:28.000 So social media has been both a blessing and a curse in this social media sphere in the political sphere because you can get your information out directly to the American people using it and refute bad information.

02:23:38.000 But then there's also this aspect of like, I wish people could see the conversations that take place behind the scenes because it wouldn't be so inflammatory, basically what I'm saying.

02:23:46.000 That makes sense.

02:23:47.000 Well, full transparency will come with the chip. 0.54

02:23:49.000 Anna, just put the chip in your brain. 0.99

02:23:51.000 Don't take the chips.

02:23:51.000 No chips.

02:23:52.000 You will have full transparency.

02:23:56.000 It seems like this whole thing, your whole journey in becoming involved in politics has been pretty stressful.

02:24:06.000 it's definitely not something I want my son to do.

02:24:09.000 Is it what you thought it was?

02:24:11.000 What did you think it was going to be like before you got in and what was different once you got in there?

02:24:15.000 So, when I first started out in politics, I started out as so.

02:24:18.000 I joined the military at 19.

02:24:20.000 I paid my way through college.

02:24:21.000 I wanted to be a doctor.

02:24:22.000 So, I got into a med school program at SU and Grenada, and I was supposed to go to that.

02:24:28.000 And then, I kid you not, like the day before I was supposed to leave, I got recruited to work for a nonprofit to basically help lead out Hispanic activism nationally.

02:24:38.000 And I thought that's how I could make a difference.

02:24:40.000 And then I realized that as part of that job, they were putting me on television.

02:24:44.000 I had a booker, and so I was talking about stuff happening, but it was more the commentary on inflammatory things.

02:24:51.000 I actually wanted to address what was happening with human trafficking.

02:24:54.000 And I actually requested the State Department's report.

02:24:56.000 I was a big activist with that.

02:24:58.000 I was working with the nonprofit at the time.

02:25:00.000 And I realized that they only wanted me to talk about what was getting them the ratings.

02:25:06.000 And so, I did realize, I was like, Well, they keep though talking about what people in DC are doing.

02:25:10.000 So, if I want to change the discussion, I have to go to Washington to do it.

02:25:13.000 So, I called my husband.

02:25:14.000 I was like, We're going to run for office.

02:25:15.000 He goes, What do you mean, we?

02:25:16.000 We, yeah, because what do you mean?

02:25:18.000 I was like, Well, from what I gather, everyone's like a team effort.

02:25:20.000 And it's totally true.

02:25:21.000 If your spouse isn't on board, good luck because politics is nasty. 1.00

02:25:24.000 Right.

02:25:25.000 And so, he ended up basically figuring it out with me.

02:25:28.000 And for someone like me, there's no how-to manual on how to run from office.

02:25:31.000 It's usually family, like literally family affairs where like people, like their parents did it, or they have like a direct immediate tie to it.

02:25:39.000 So, I figured it out.

02:25:40.000 And now that I'm in office, I'm realizing that I can make an influence impact to an extent with some influence, but it would be a lot more helpful if there were 10 other of me.

02:25:52.000 And so, when I'm done in office, I'm going to help recruit younger candidates that have the ideological perspective that I do to run them.

02:26:00.000 And then I'm going to help do things for them behind the scenes to help get them in.

02:26:04.000 You're going to be a mastermind behind the scenes to help.

02:26:10.000 It just seems like a super broken process.

02:26:14.000 It's not.

02:26:15.000 So, I've traveled a lot.

02:26:16.000 I've seen a lot of other parliaments.

02:26:18.000 I'm a member of the House Democracy Partnership Institute.

02:26:20.000 I've gone to a lot of countries, and we still have the best system.

02:26:25.000 I believe that.

02:26:26.000 Yeah, but we need to get that.

02:26:27.000 But I still believe it's a mess.

02:26:29.000 It's a mess, though, because good people don't want to run and they have to.

02:26:33.000 Young people have to run. 1.00

02:26:34.000 It's also a mess because the people that have been in positions of power for so long are so set in their ways and are so deeply ingrained in the system.

02:26:42.000 And all the tentacles of all these different special interests and all the money that's all connected to all these decisions is so it's just so unit's, I don't know if it's possible to unwind all that stuff.

02:26:55.000 It is if you have enough fresh blood.

02:26:57.000 So, like, how do you shock a system, right?

02:26:59.000 And you need to infuse it.

02:27:01.000 And so, right now, we have an interesting time period because we have a division.

02:27:05.000 So, like, going back to kind of the declassification efforts that we've been working on, for the first time in U.S. history, you have an aspect of the government that's being transparent and releasing information.

02:27:15.000 Like, we're helping wherever we can on that.

02:27:17.000 But that is only possible because the right people with the right mindset were appointed in those agencies to be able to try to force the system to do something.

02:27:26.000 But there's this aspect of that's just the executive branch, but you have the legislative branch.

02:27:30.000 And the legislative branch needs younger people that want to do this because they truly believe in fixing the system.

02:27:37.000 And you cannot be a pessimist in this job or else you will go crazy.

02:27:41.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

02:27:42.000 You would go crazy.

02:27:42.000 So, you have to be an optimist and understand that there is a solution for it.

02:27:46.000 And going back to kind of like those like little quantum breadcrumbs, I've had enough stuff happen where I know I'm on the right path.

02:27:53.000 But I also think that part of what I'm supposed to do is like to help other people do this.

02:27:57.000 So, I'm going to help kind of execute that mission.

02:28:00.000 How much long are you going to be in office?

02:28:01.000 I don't know, but not definitely in the next 10 years.

02:28:03.000 I promise you, I'm going to be with a beekeeper and a flip phone, and that's it.

02:28:07.000 No, no internet, just talk to grid.

02:28:10.000 Well, if I'm still doing a podcast, then let's talk.

02:28:13.000 Tell me about the hopefully, then we'll know UFOs are real.

02:28:16.000 They've already landed.

02:28:16.000 At least we'll get some declassified stuff, right?

02:28:18.000 Hopefully, we'll have to know.

02:28:20.000 Remember back when we didn't know who killed JFK?

02:28:22.000 Yeah, well, now we know.

02:28:23.000 All right.

02:28:24.000 Well, thank you very much for being here.

02:28:25.000 I really appreciate this fun talk.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 13, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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