In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with musician Mac Miller to talk about his music, the current state of healthcare, and much, much more. I hope you enjoy this episode, and don t forget to subscribe and leave us a rating and review!
00:01:46.000They don't give a shit about you and they're just trying to make money.
00:01:49.000And that's why when this guy got shot, there was this reaction from people which is very rare when someone gets assassinated when people celebrate right when someone's not like a mass murderer or something it was bizarre it was bizarre it's it's it's I mean it must mean something is up if people are celebrating yes somebody's death yes something is wrong and all kind across both sides of the aisle it's not a political thing it is a human thing yeah like these people they take your fucking money you pay them
00:02:20.000and then when something comes up you don't get covered and there doesn't seem to be any repercussions and to fight it you have to go to court and you usually don't have the money to go to court and they have a lot of fucking money.
00:02:33.000And they, you know, have been doing this for a long time.
00:02:36.000And now they're using AI to make sure that they pay less.
00:04:03.000You know that you're making more money because you're doing this and you're working harder and you're getting this reward, whether or not it makes sense or not.
00:04:10.000As soon as you eliminate that and everyone gets the same amount of money and then you lose all the killers.
00:04:16.000You lose all the No, all I mean is that you just don't want to have to go to an urgent care and it costs $500 to get a pack of antibiotics.
00:04:42.000You know, because it's whenever you can make profit from people and you're involved in a corporation and then the corporation has an interest for, its stockholders want more money every year.
00:05:07.000I suppose that's why folks were, you know, it was, it was upsetting to see, you know, I felt like I actually had kind of an unpopular opinion about it and that why, you know, why are we celebrating somebody's death?
00:05:22.000Like that seems far out to celebrate the murder of somebody with a gun.
00:05:31.000Not only that, I believe unrelated to him in his case.
00:05:40.000And so I've, I didn't want, you know, I'd, I make, I make these tunes, but that one in particular., I was like, how do I even how do I adjust this?
00:06:03.000So I went for, you know, some long jogs.
00:06:10.000I wrote a song about Amazon instead and put up like Amazon is Santa Claus.
00:06:17.000It kept sitting there and it kept getting, you know, the situation was snowballing with the United Healthcare thing.
00:06:24.000And I was like, okay, you got to write.
00:06:26.000And at that point, it's a research project.
00:06:29.000You know, let's write 2,000 words so that we can have 300 to sing and boil down the essence of the issue and make it rhyme and put a jolly tune behind it.
00:06:47.000That's really, that's kind of how that goes about.
00:06:50.000That sounds like super similar to stand-up comedy.
00:08:06.000I used to love listening to him, in particular when I was in traffic, because it would chill me out.
00:08:12.000Like if I was headed to the airport in LA and it was just fucking cluster fuck on the highway, I'd just throw on some Mitch Hedberg and just start giggling.
00:08:55.000Now the procedure that you're needing ain't the cost effective route and only two percent of people end up winning a dispute.
00:09:01.000So if you get sick, pray to God for help because your doctor's gotta pray to United Health.
00:09:08.000Way back in 1977, mister Richard T. Burke started buying HMOs putting federal grants to work, named 50 billion buckaroos.
00:09:17.000Last year the Warren Buffett of help the Jeff Bezos of fear Now CEOs come and go and want just win the ingredients you got bake the cake you get But if you get sick cross your fingers for luck because old Richard T. Burke ain't given a buck Commodityized health monopolized fraud Here's the doctors we own and the research we bought they own the far pharmacies and a lot of the medics.
00:09:41.000They should start buying graves to sell us when we're all dead.
00:10:10.000I'm sure there probably is a few people out there that I miss, but I don't know of anybody else who takes things that are in the zeitgeist these big stories that come up yeah and turns them into a catchy tune and does it in a way where you're you laid out you know really the problem and the whole thing like you said in punchlines yeah you know there's a lot there's a lot of folks doing it right now and and more every day but there was i mean there's a precedent for
00:10:40.000that kind of work um especially as far as like Woody Guthrie was really the I was reading I was reading a Woody Guthrie biography And my old man was in the hospital.
00:11:01.000He had just had a heart attack, and we didn't know what way it was going to go or whatever.
00:11:06.000Anyway, I don't know, just seeing him all hooked up to that stuff and thinking, if he died, I've hardly had any time to even know him.
00:11:37.000Because that's really what Woody was kinda doing in his day.
00:11:42.000Because there was there's folk music around him and he teamed up with Pete Seager and he's on radio programs and he could have played he had the he had the choice he could have played standards he could have played country western music and stuff like that but he liked making folks laugh and he liked telling it how it was.
00:12:39.000Arlo played this kind of he went a little more surreal with it which is super groovy but he carried you know he carried on the torch for his old man So Woody died in what year?
00:14:21.000Just because I don't know if it's a uniquely American tradition, but when I do it, I get romantic about it and kind of think of it as a uniquely American tradition because you got the freedom to do it.
00:14:36.000gunning me down in the field there or anything for anything I say, you know, so I get to, you know, yeah, that's why I doubt if anybody was ever doing anything the way you do it when they were doing it for about the king.
00:14:49.000the knights go hunt him down or something Yeah, maybe a few guys tried, but I bet they killed them.
00:14:59.000Or maybe you hired, you co-opted the bard, you turned him into your fool, your jester.
00:15:08.000And then he sang songs for you about how fat the neighbor king was.
00:15:22.000Like in Blade, the guy's going to get close to the vampires because they won't eventually one day want to be a vampire who promised it who was in the Lord of the Rings who was like Theodon's dude worm tongue something anyway I don't remember I don't remember people very close but it's that's always the Dracula story there's always a familiar there's always a human that does the bidding of the vampire oh that guy yeah perfect exactly yeah
00:15:54.000same kind of guy fucking creep with a questionable hard drive did he was he in one flew over the cuckoo's nest?
00:16:58.000We definitely need more mental health.
00:17:00.000We win one hundred percent those people need care, but do they need the kind of care that they were getting before they were released on the street when they were giving people electroshock therapy and cooking in their brains?
00:17:09.000Those at least whatever's going on in one floor of the cooking business is essentially a prison.
00:19:56.000The procedure took place November 1941, Sins of the Father in the book, 1996 biography.
00:20:05.000James W. Watts, who carried out the procedure with Walter Freeman, both of George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Science, has described to Kessler as follows.
00:20:13.000After Rosemary was mildly sedated, we went through the top of her head, doctor Watts recalled.
00:21:10.000The nuns of the Covenant thought that Rosemary might become involved with sexual partners and that she could contract a sexually transmitted disease or become pregnant.
00:21:20.000Her occasionally erratic behavior frustrated her parents.
00:21:24.000So she got expelled from summer camp and she was staying, it says, and staying only for a few months at a Philadelphia boarding school.
00:21:33.000Kennedy was sent to a convent school in Washington, DC.
00:21:37.000Kennedy began sneaking out of the convent school at night.
00:21:40.000The nuns in the convent thought that she might be involved with sexual partners and that she might get an STD or become pregnant.
00:21:47.000And so then they decided to go give her a fucking lobotomy.
00:21:52.000You send a young, healthy girl to a convent with a bunch of fucking creepy nuns and she just like breaks out in the middle of the night, like go hang out with her friends or go meet up with a guy or fucking something.
00:22:19.000Like there's I don't know whether it's true or not true because we used to say it and then there's been things disputing it, but of course.
00:22:26.000Of course, who knows how much money is involved in this in the first place, but supposedly Kennedy Sr. was involved in illegal liquor during the time where there was prohibition in this country.
00:22:56.000It seems like an incredibly lucrative business to get into during prohibition.
00:23:00.000I don't know who wouldn't be hunting liquor.
00:23:03.000Especially when you can control the police, you know, especially when you had money and you were involved and you had your foot dipped in all sorts of organized crime and you know then you had souped up nascar cars that they were using to drive their sort of nascar cars yeah i guess that's the roots of yeah so if it's starting from the copy yeah if it weren't for joe we wouldn't have had wouldn't have dale right wouldn't have had the the loop yeah it's um it's just a crazy practice that they
00:23:33.000did for a long long time just to get rid of people that were a problem.
00:23:54.000I'm sure that's going to be on that list.
00:23:55.000Or taking, I don't know, like prescribing benzos and stuff.
00:24:02.000Oh, that's going to be on that list for sure.
00:24:04.000You know, benzos are just like a chemical lobotomy.
00:24:08.000Well, benzo doesn't give you a chemical lobotomy, but it does make you 100% hooked on it.
00:24:12.000Well, it's just the different the stress you would undergo getting out of the addiction, you might never you might never come come back fully or get your life all the way back after an addiction like that.
00:25:35.000Not only that, especially with benzos, especially in the early days, nobody even told them that it was almost impossible to get off of.
00:25:44.000I mean, couldn't a patient kind of figure that out pretty quick?
00:25:48.000Well, they don't because they keep taking it, right?
00:25:50.000You keep taking it because you're addicted to it.
00:25:52.000If you forget, forget a dose, you start feeling those withdrawals come in, you know, or Well, apparently with, find this out if this is true.
00:26:03.000Apparently one of the things about benzodiazepine is that it alleviates anxiety, but if you stop taking it, your anxiety maybe even elevates past where it was before you first took it.
00:26:50.000Many people stop taking these medications experience increased anxiety or restlessness referred to as rebound anxiety, rebound effects from benzo withdrawal, such as anxiety or insomnia typically last two to three days.
00:28:25.000where they're going to do these, they've done them so far, these trials with soldiers, and it's super effective, especially for getting off drugs.
00:28:52.000They get in these terrible behavior patterns, and they don't know why.
00:28:55.000They don't know how to get out of them.
00:28:56.000They keep falling into them because they're tightly grooved into the way you think.
00:29:01.000Unless you can leave for a moment the connection that you have to this existence where you're completely, continually trapped by your patterns, unless you can leave and look at those patterns, you're just fighting against so much gravity and so much momentum.
00:29:19.000And then whatever your – the life that you've chosen, you're around the same people.
00:29:25.000There's so many things that make it very difficult to really change your life outside of escaping briefly and getting a look at it from some – So does Ibogaine like smooth out all the ruts?
00:29:41.000Ibogaine, I've never done it, so I can't really speak to this, but from the people that have done it, what they explain that it does, first of all, it actually stops physical addiction somehow.
00:29:52.000don't totally understand how it's doing this but it stops physical physical addiction and sort of rewires the way your brain and for lack of a better term looks at addiction it also is it's not a drug that you could abuse recreationally apparently it's not a fun time and it's a 244 hour experience.
00:30:12.000And this 24 hour experience Is it psychedelic?
00:30:16.000And this 24 hour experience is essentially a review of your life and showing you, like, you remember this happened, these guys beat you up after school, and then that sent you down this road, and then this is why you think about this and this, and it lays out why you're in all these different fucked up patterns in your life.
00:32:05.000I don't like in America, they get weirder and weirder and weirder kind of the more west we went the more we manifest destiny out because like you have like puritan pilgrims land and you know in new england and the weirdest of them move a little bit more west or they just go to the quakers just go to like nantucket you know to be on an island and be isolated but you know eventually in about a hundred years you've got mormons
00:33:12.000I imagine it like Blood Meridian, like McCarthy's book, where basically, you know, like follows the story of like this kid who goes on a scalping mission, you know, where their job is to.
00:33:25.000go down into Guadalajara and then come up in through the States and they just they scalp pretty much everyone they meet indiscriminately and then take those scalps back for dough.
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00:36:08.000How many people, just innocent people, that just happen to have dark hair got scalped?
00:36:15.000Oh, they would, like in McCarthy's book at least, which follows the Glanton gang, I'm pretty sure at times they kill some of their own gang.
00:36:28.000The most prolific of these operatives was an Irish-American named James Kirker, who led a massacre of more than 150 Apaches in 1846 and ultimately killed at least 320 Indians.
00:38:03.000Direct government support for bounty payouts with blunt calls for the extermination of tribes and mass murder of men, women, and children provides an important new perspective on the question of genocide across the long arc of Euro American interaction with native communities.
00:38:20.000The Apache scalp that FBI agents seized in twenty twenty two is one of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands that were taken, redeemed, displayed, and in rare cases like this one preserved as a part of a long and gruesome history of scalp war warfare.
00:38:44.000FBI investigating Apache scalp seized from Fairfield Auction House.
00:38:50.000The item was seized from the Pauline Art Antiques and Auction House as part of an investigation into the illegal trafficking of human remains.
00:39:06.000When does the karma come in on this bloodshed?
00:39:10.000that founded that you know that founded well i'm certain it did for the individuals involved i just i wonder if it's generational if these things if the if the universe will continue to sort itself out over this over this time i think this is a very unique time for understanding people you know we i think We have to,
00:39:39.000you know, when people look at all the conflict and all the drama with human beings right now, you have to realize, like, yes., we could certainly live better lives and we certainly have a better civilization than we have right now.
00:40:40.000And it's just more people are talking about it now than ever before.
00:40:45.000you had universities in America which were the antiwar movement started in the 1960s and the hippies and they were starting to get acid and realize like there's more to life.
00:40:56.000The way our parents are living is bullshit.
00:40:58.000They're miserable and they're going to die.
00:40:59.000And it takes a long time to turn this big ass battleship around.
00:41:05.000But I think we have to give ourselves some understanding about the past and realize like part of the reason why we're so fucked up today is like look what we come from.
00:41:30.000It's just the ability that a person has to sign off, a person in the government say, yeah, okay, give them some money so they go kill some Indians indiscriminately.
00:41:42.000give them $8,000 per scalp and a little less for the women and children.
00:41:52.000130 years ago, 140 years ago, 150 years ago.
00:42:08.000I wonder if things are, you know, probably seem a lot cleaner.
00:42:14.000as far as chaos and bloodshed now in the continental U.S. and the Union and stuff, but who is sending folks to go do that abroad to protect the homeland, you know, under the auspices of protecting the homeland.
00:42:38.000Who's doing the exact same thing as they were doing then, just in a different way.
00:42:43.000Because I really think we stay as much as has changed and we can measure that.
00:43:49.000And Heart of Darkness was talking about a conquest of, I believe the Dutch, I'm not sure, into the Congo.
00:44:03.000And some atrocities and stuff that were happening there, treating people as subhuman.
00:44:10.000And I don't know if there was scalping or anything, but I think that there was slavery and that sort of thing.
00:44:16.000But Coppola was able to adapt that and then put the Vietnam War as the new premise.
00:44:25.000Going into, I think they, I think Sheen's mission in the movie at least was to go up river into Cambodia or Laos, I'm not sure which, and take out a rogue,
00:44:55.000All that to say, I wonder if in Vietnam, if the folks fighting out there felt like in that moment where you're killing somebody, if you realize at that point that nothing has ever changed and that this is something primeval in man with this violence,
00:45:28.000Or, you know, is this violence innate?
00:45:32.000Is this how folks are and there's no helping it and there's nothing that's ever going to change it?
00:45:37.000Because you can get kind of cynical that way.
00:45:39.000Or, and I kind of tend on this more idealistic and at times it seems naive or stupid, to have an ideal that folks could live in harmony, in peace, without taking one another's lives.
00:45:59.000You know, the problem is they've never done it before.
00:46:53.000bombs and you know dropping bunker busters out of b2s you know that's what it is or b12 is that what it is the b12 what's the big one b2 feels like it should be a bigger number because it looks like a spaceship you see how they flew it over putin like look at my dick my flying dick you see trump did that when putin was in alaska they flew a bomber over his head like what are
00:47:35.000This is what these games, but like, is it, yeah, I just, I wonder, is it within humans to exist in peace?
00:47:51.000Well, we certainly can in small groups, right?
00:47:55.000Like if you, me, and Jamie, I've said this before about other guests, if we were on an island all together, we wouldn't lock each other up.
00:48:04.000We wouldn't, we'd just, we'd just figure it out.
00:48:06.000Like, yeah, okay, I'm going to go fishing today.
00:48:59.000It's just, like, I think, you know, the folks that go to war, like, if you, if you signed up and went to, and went to Iraq and, you know, and, like, oh, oh, oh, three.
00:49:15.000oh, six or so, you know, and you're securing or maybe not Iraq, but you're going to Afghanistan and you're securing opium fields and stuff and you're out there you're risking your life you got the gun on you are prepared to take somebody's life but for but for what and like we need help We'll fight.
00:51:31.000He thought he was protecting people, he was.
00:51:33.000But then at the end of his career, when it all, like the fog of war had kind of faded, and he recognized the patterns, like, oh, each time.
00:51:41.000Pull it up, Jamie, just so we can get a look at it.
00:51:43.000Was Smedley the one where there was a coup and they had asked him to They asked him to take.
00:51:47.000They asked him to throw the fucking government.
00:51:49.000There was a documentary I used to watch by Francis O'Connelly, I think is his name, but it's called Everything's a Rich Man's Trick, and he would always talk about Smedley D. Butler.
00:52:25.000It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.
00:52:30.000It's the only one international in scope.
00:52:32.000It is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
00:52:37.000A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to be to the majority of people.
00:52:44.000Only a small inside group knows what it's all about.
00:52:48.000It's conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many.
00:52:54.000Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes.
00:52:57.000Butler confessed that during his decades of service in the United States Marine Corps, I helped Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914.
00:53:06.000I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
00:53:13.000I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.
00:53:21.000I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1909 to 1912, where I've learned where I've heard of that name before, I don't know.
00:53:33.000I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916.
00:53:40.000I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
00:53:45.000Looking back on it, I have given Al Capone, I might have given Al Capone a few hints.
00:53:55.000Because they've been doing that forever.
00:53:58.000And if it wasn't for this one guy writing about it, this one very decorated man who pull up the thing about the coup where they tried to enlist him, which is part of the reason why I'm sure he wrote this.
00:54:12.000It's like he was like, what the fuck is this?
00:54:15.000Like, You guys want to take over the United States government with force?
00:56:02.000Political conspiracy in 1933, the United States to overthrow, oh, this it is.
00:56:06.000Overthrow the government of the president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and install Smedley Butler as dictator.
00:56:13.000Butler, retired Marine Corps major general, testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt.
00:56:25.000In 1934, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities.
00:56:32.000American activities on these revelations, although no one was prosecuted.
00:56:37.000The Congressional Committee was prosecuted.
00:56:40.000You would think that that might put you in jail.
00:56:43.000You're trying to overthrow the fucking government.
00:56:49.000No one was prosecuted, although no one was prosecuted.
00:56:52.000The Congressional Committee final report said there's no question.
00:56:55.000These attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.
00:57:04.000You know, it's funny that no one was prosecuted, but if you did insider trading, you go straight to the pokey.
00:57:40.000Well, it makes you wonder, when you have $400 million and you're 82 years old, shouldn't you be going on cruises and just, like, enjoying your time off?
00:59:05.000But there's also people some these pro-American sites, you know, and then people have done like an IP trace and they find out these people are in fucking Karachi.
00:59:39.000It's good to crush our faith in democracy and make people consider communism.
00:59:46.000and it gets really weird, you know, when you have a bunch of people that are throwing a bunch of opinions into any sort of like real important discussion about civilization and you realize like, oh my God, 80% of the people talking aren't just people.
01:02:29.000You haven't said anything wrong yet, but there's a really good website someone put together called thelasvegashootingmap dot com, and they've got tracked little it's a Google map, but there's like little dots for YouTube videos, cell phone footage, 911 recordings, photos.
01:02:47.000It's a complete timeline from the time before the concert started to like five days after.
01:02:52.000What is the best theory about why that happened?
01:03:19.000They found out about it, and then this led to this event happening the next month in November, where he got all these families to come to Four Seasons.
01:03:28.000There was like kidnappings and extortions and all sorts of money.
01:03:34.000He was basically pissed and he found out about it.
01:06:21.000But it's just when you think that someone might have done something like that, someone might do a mass shooting so they could take out one dude, like blame it on this guy.
01:06:35.000Like how much planning has to be involved in that?
01:06:38.000And then like how do you get the Patsy?
01:06:39.000You get this guy who's just like a degenerate gambler.
01:06:46.000Yeah, they said they made a bunch of money playing video poker, which is like, if you make that much money playing video poker, they're not going to let you keep playing.
01:08:08.000I mean, but it really depends entirely on the size of the bomb, right?
01:08:12.000So if you have a bomb, like see where that blue area is?
01:08:15.000That's where supposedly I think where the bomb went off.
01:08:18.000If you have an immense bomb that is right there and it just blows up and that's the force of it all around like in a sort of conical effect, that kind of makes sense.
01:08:29.000But a lot of people think that the amount of power that you would generate from a fertilizer bomb is not really capable of doing that kind of damage.
01:09:36.000They're pretty good about taking care of bombs.
01:09:39.000But see if you can find anything about reports of additional bombs from Oklahoma City.
01:09:46.000They were looking for a second person for a while.
01:09:49.000Yeah, they were looking for a second person, too.
01:09:52.000But I mean, there's also this problem with the fog of eyewitness accounts and everything after a catastrophe.
01:10:00.000Like one thing that happens about events is no one really like if you're there and some fucking thing blows up it's it's entirely dependent upon your makeup whether or not you can even objectively recall exactly what happened depending upon like how freaked out you are by this and how used to being freaked out you are.
01:10:22.000Maybe you're a veteran, maybe you've served overseas and like you can actually give an accurate account of this because you've been around crazy shit.
01:10:29.000But if you haven't, it's very likely that, you know, people are very confused afterwards.
01:11:20.000Oh, I love when they call in the experts.
01:11:22.000However, experts, including physicists and engineers that are not named, stated that the second tremor recorded by the seismographs was likely caused by the buildings collapsed.
01:11:38.000Some conspiracy theorists continued to promote the idea of additional bombs, even though there was news reports, often citing discrepancies in the observed damage or expert opinions.
01:11:49.000Yeah, the observed damage is kind of crazy.
01:13:12.000Well, one of the wildest ones, they radicalized this young guy who was 19 years old, I believe it was in Dallas.
01:13:19.000They radicalized him and then they gave him a bomb that was fake and then gave him a cell phone to detonate the bomb.
01:13:28.000And then when he tried to use the cell phone to detonate the bomb, they arrested him.
01:13:32.000Because even though it was fake, even though it didn't work, even though they gave it to him, even though they talked him into doing it, they arrested him for terrorism because he was willing to listen to them.
01:13:54.000You mindfucked him into believing that he's doing this for a greater good.
01:13:58.000You know, you're mindfucking him to telling him that, like, you know, he's going to put a dent in the great Satan by detonating this bomb and you're going to go down in history, you're going to be huge.
01:14:08.000And he's just a dumb guy, just a dumb dude who they talk into it and then they arrest him.
01:14:25.000It's a pattern that, but it's just a weird one that we tolerate under the rule of law.
01:14:31.000Like, that seems pretty crazy that you guys made a plot to kidnap the governor you guys twelve twelve out of fourteen of the people who are involved were working with the government and then you know it should be like well okay whose idea was it it was Mike's idea he was the first one to say Mike you work for the government this is crazy Mike you can't arrest Tom because it was your idea Mike you fucking asshole But yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was working for the government.
01:15:58.000Just pockets, pockets of intelligence, little microcosms of people working, you know?
01:16:06.000Well, talking to people that actually work in the government, they'll tell you there are people that are in charge of each individual office, and they're like a czar of this office.
01:16:28.000When I was a kid, I dated this girl who worked for the government and one of her jobs was this was like really the very beginning of computers.
01:16:38.000So 91 maybe somewhere around then, maybe 2, maybe 92.
01:16:44.000And her job was to help distribute information, say if the Navy did a study that the Army would have access to it.
01:17:06.000And some of them don't like each other.
01:17:08.000There's agencies that don't let those fucking pussies over at the CIA and those faggots over at the FBI Like there's still like a lot of that stupid shit that goes on There's a lot of that stupid shit that goes on just like there's people that root for the fucking dolphins and other people root for the Raiders People get tribal people get really weird man They get tribal with every damn thing that they do every damn thing that they do and it's us against them You know we're a Xerox is gonna take over the copying world fuck all those other pussies It's like
01:17:38.000as above so below and the part the the patterns the patterns go down forever Well, we have the pattern patterns of territorial apes.
01:18:23.000I think it's the pattern of how we got here for the first place and how the human reward systems are all set up.
01:18:31.000They're set up to try to conquer things.
01:18:33.000And whether you're conquering video game development or you're making the best folding phone, it's like we're going to kick ass over Google.
01:18:42.000Everybody has their own little thing, their own little realm they're trying to conquer.
01:20:02.000And it does seem like it is what, anytime you're in a hard place or anything.
01:20:09.000like that mentally or yeah like the the best way out is like find something to try to get good at or try something, you know, and then try your best at it.
01:21:07.000You figure out the best way to make money.
01:21:09.000Like you're really good at making money and that becomes your creativity.
01:21:12.000You get really creative about moving around the law in order to make money.
01:21:16.000You get really creative about how you establish relationships with people and how you can, you know, make sure that laws are passed that favor what you're doing.
01:22:35.000What they do is they would give enormous loans to countries that definitely couldn't fucking pay it off and then, you know, come in and start extracting resources.
01:25:56.000I'm like, who in the hell would think that this is good things happen because of it, but more bad things happen than good a lot of the time.
01:26:08.000And you're holding an entire nation hostage or an entire group of people hostage by lending them money.
01:26:42.000You're not kind people trying to fix the world.
01:26:44.000You're profiting off of this idea of being a kind person that wants to fix the world.
01:26:48.000And you're doing a little bit of help.
01:26:49.000You're doing about 10% of help, maybe 20% of help, maybe even 30% for a good organization.
01:26:54.000But the reality is it's about you, which is crazy.
01:26:59.000Imagine if just you said, hey, man, my friend's sick.
01:27:04.000Do you think you could donate some money to my friend because he doesn't have any health insurance?
01:27:10.000And we were like, yeah, man, what do we got to do?
01:27:14.000then everybody gives you money and then you take 70 percent of it and we go hey dude what the fuck and you're like you're like hey man i worked to get that money for him.
01:29:36.000I would just be speculating, but a good friend of mine who's very intelligent said this to me, he said, There's people that want certain experiences and there's people that provide these powerful people with experiences.
01:29:47.000And that's how they fit into the social structure.
01:31:36.000Like if I die, I want you to do this for me.
01:31:39.000And then whether it's in Israel, whether it's in Canada, whoever the fuck the person is that you have that you give this information to, you just say, if anything happens to me, let this loose.
01:31:49.000And then you tell them, like, look, I have this, that, this, and that.
01:32:12.000If you have information that's really sensitive, they have to trust you.
01:32:18.000If someone trusts you to not tell something that can ruin their empire of hundreds of of billions of dollars and put them in jail possibly they have to trust you they're not going to trust you they don't trust you but if they know that you know that if you tell them they'll kill you and then they know that if they kill you you'll have the dead man switch.
01:34:29.000I just wonder if every, every once in a while when the government needs to explain something to the public in a way that puts us in the best light, if they commission a movie through Hollywood and stick Tom Hanks in it, man, he's just explained so much to us over the years with Charlie Wilson's war.
01:34:54.000It's like, here's how the Save and Private House.
01:35:18.000Well, my friend Sam was telling me, my friend Sam Tripley was telling me that, and I had heard this, that during World War I, they had a problem that soldiers were not shooting at the enemy.
01:35:53.000Like, so the intelligence communities have been deeply involved in movie making from the very beginning because back then movies were the most powerful narrative in all of society.
01:36:52.000Isn't it crazy though that they made movies about war to encourage people to just shoot the enemy when they see them?
01:36:59.000Because most people, it's probably so abstract to them.
01:37:02.000Like they're from, like especially if they had just gotten there from Europe, right?
01:37:07.000So imagine if you're dealing with World War 1, like a lot of those people probably recently arrived in America, right?
01:37:15.000And then now you're being sent over to France, now you're being sent over to Germany, like you're involved in a fucking war now, you're in a trench war.
01:39:16.000During the Principate of Nero, the night between July 18 and 19, a fire broke out in Rome within nine days, destroyed or badly damaged a substantial part of the city, leaving many dead or homeless.
01:39:27.000Rumors circulated the fire had been set by Nero, who, it was claimed, sought to divert blame from himself by holding responsible a new sect of aggressively proselytizing Jews known as Christians.
01:39:40.000Most recent scholarship has rejected the popular view of Nero as an arsonist who fiddled while Rome burned, in quotes.
01:39:48.000Largely ignored, however, has been the question of whether or not the Christians generally regarded as innocent scapegoats of Nero might in fact have played some role in the fire.
01:40:01.000The chapter considers the problematic nature of Christianity and Rome and Roman attitudes towards Christians in the first century CE and suggests, based on this evidence, that Christian involvement is not out of the question.
01:40:12.000Not out of the question, but the narrative has always been that Nero did it to divert attention.
01:40:17.000But the point is, it's like, look, they tried to do that with Operation Northwoods.
01:40:21.000It's one of the things that Kennedy vetoed.
01:40:23.000The Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on an operation to do a false flag event where they were going to blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on Cuba, and they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
01:40:36.000And they were doing this so that they could drag us into a war with Cuba.
01:41:08.000And then the men on the ground got slaughtered.
01:41:11.000And so they, my friend Evan, who was a ranger, he believes it's very possible that some of the people involved in that might have been involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
01:41:23.000Because they had a huge grudge, and these were, you know, hardened assassins.
01:41:27.000Are you, yeah, if that's something that you'd go and mine people out of that operation.
01:41:33.000There was a lot of people that hated Kennedy after that.
01:44:45.000Like, if you believe me in this thing, like that's what people voted for, and you got to do better.
01:44:51.000That's the, that's what the folks want.
01:44:55.000Yeah, well, the thing is, there's a lot of people that live in New York City, that live in, you know, any city really, that don't feel like their needs are being met by the government.
01:45:04.000And they don't feel like the government has their best interests.
01:45:07.000And if some guy comes along with some radical ideas that he says are the solution, well, if the people believe him and it's not true, you've done a terrible job.
01:45:17.000You've done a terrible job of both distributing information and taking care of these people because they're looking for any kind of a solution.
01:45:24.000Even a solution that might wind up causing a bunch of corporations to leave the city and a bunch of money to leave the city and a bunch of jobs to leave the city.
01:46:50.000So you could rig them, like say, if you went to a specific group of people that you knew leaned right.
01:46:57.000and you started asking them questions on things or a specific group of people, a specific part of the city that you knew was more progressive, you would go there if you wanted to rig polls and then you push that narrative out.
01:48:01.000It doesn't matter where you get it either.
01:48:05.000It's also a lot, I mean, CNN tried to separate themselves from that when they realized it was financially kind of devastating to the company to have really bad editorial comments, which is what they did.
01:48:17.000That's why they got rid of all their head newscasters.
01:48:20.000Because everybody was terrible and everybody hated them.
01:48:40.000Like, you've ruined them and you gave them this for decades.
01:48:44.000And so now, if you want your ratings, you have to give them outrage.
01:48:48.000You have to have a bunch of people yelling at each other on TV so they pay attention.
01:48:52.000that and like the I feel like the most like colorful people that they would have had on their things have gone indie now you know like like Tucker Carlson has his his this podcast and like, um, let's see.
01:49:10.000Candace Owens was with like Daily Wire and now she's like got, she's got her own.
01:49:26.000You know, the real problem is the left ones never succeed once they're fired.
01:49:31.000The people that leave CNN, they're always like dismissed.
01:49:35.000Well, the talent, I mean, if you're a man.
01:49:37.000You have to be talented to do that, to sit there and look at a camera and just talk for like hours about, you've got to be really talented.
01:49:47.000And you have to understand how people are receiving what you're saying too.
01:49:51.000And the problem with like a CNN type job is that you're being told what to do, you show up, you read the news as written by these people, you have a teleprompter.
01:50:03.000You really can't stray very far from the narrative and you're allowed to elaborate inside the narrative as long as it fits with what CNN is trying to promote.
01:50:15.000And as soon as you deviate from that, you're cooked, you're gone.
01:50:19.000Yeah, so then there's really no, there's not much career for you at all.
01:50:24.000Yeah, because once you leave, everybody knows you're a propagandist.
01:50:27.000Like, no one's ever going to really truly believe in you.
01:50:30.000And you weren't coming up with anything yourself.
01:51:59.000And you got to take things with a big ass grain of salt because this stuff is these are entertainers.
01:52:05.000Well, there's definitely that aspect of it.
01:52:07.000And if you're not entertaining, you're going to get removed from your job and you're going to get replaced by someone who's better at your job.
01:52:25.000That's, I guess, that's for the cable folks or something.
01:52:28.000Yeah, I mean, it's part of the gig, Right?
01:52:30.000Like, how many of those ladies on Fox News just look hot as the sun while they're telling you whatever the fuck they're supposed to be telling you?
01:53:38.000you reach that's it's not zero there's there's people that you reach like that United Health how many views did that get all told i don't know.
01:57:38.000doing yeah and like we want we want people to know because we want to ask like what could i do to you know to have to be successful or whatever then nobody knows no nobody knows and there's no gatekeepers or anything like that all you have to do is want to play music all you have to do is yeah and then go and do it on your phone and see if anyone likes you And if they like you, you're, you know, that's good.
01:58:30.000They'll go, I would, you know, here's, I mean, there are all sorts of folks in the early days coming through labels and stuff going, here's, we'll give you ten grand for like thirty songs or something like that.
01:59:04.000They give you so much upfront and you don't even, like if you don't know, it's just a big ass loan that you're never going to recoup and then you're not even, you're not living off your own do at that point.
01:59:14.000You're just living off borrowed money like everyone else in the States.
02:00:03.000And too many people eating at the dinner plate.
02:00:06.000And dude, when anybody gives you, like if label comes in, let's say Chris took., let's say he took the deal, you know, or whatever, if Oliver Anthony took the big deal, then he's got all these people up there in the office with tax ride off MacBooks telling him what to do with his music because they open their wallet and they're going to have to give you notes.
02:00:28.000They're entitled to give you their opinion at that point and you wouldn't be able to just do whatever the hell he wants to do.
02:00:36.000And I think it's so important for artists to be able to do whatever the hell they want to do because that's the only way they can be themselves.
02:00:48.000And you see that one thing that does happen when people do take the money is that part goes away.
02:00:53.000Because even though you think you're kind of sort of being yourself, everybody knows you're not totally.
02:00:59.000You're not totally being yourself anymore.
02:01:02.000And dough will change your life in a way that you might not be ready for or something.
02:01:09.000You're going to think, I got this dough.
02:01:12.000Now I can leave this town I don't like.
02:01:15.000I can get the house that I was wanting when it was was really it was it was being in that town and kind of having things difficult pressures around you and stuff that was creating these diamonds that was putting you in this situation to make good art and stuff like that.
02:03:04.000You might be getting in bigger and bigger places and stuff like that.
02:03:07.000But yeah, it's gonna it's gonna fall off and when it does, you know, then then then you have like some existential problems to deal with at that point.
02:03:18.000Well, there's always the devil's bargain, right?
02:03:59.000That doesn't but it doesn't make any sense as far as like Robert John is like he sold his soul his soul, I guess, so he could play and then not be successful in his lifetime and die poor.
02:06:24.000But it is kind of crazy that they let a 21-year-old me just at the helm of a car with one of the greatest musicians of all time in the back seat.
02:06:32.000It's always, it's fun to think back on that.
02:06:36.000Like when I was, when I was 18, I was.
02:06:39.000I did a radio program for KDYN Real Country Radio every Saturday morning.
02:06:45.000It was called Dial a Deal where people call in.
02:06:48.000It was basically like an on-air Craigslist, you know?
02:06:51.000But I was alone at the station after football games.
02:06:54.000You know, football game would be like Friday night, go to bed all beat up, wake up at like 5 am, go into the station, record the obituaries real quick, because those are going to run on Saturday.
02:07:08.000and then do like a, you know, an on-air Craigslist radio program, and you're just like 17 years old with the entire radio station to yourself.
02:07:19.000I could have been like, anyway, here's Grand Funk Railroad, you know.
02:07:22.000Did you have a specific list of things that you were supposed to play?
02:07:26.000The list was like programmed in, and then you had to record weather.
02:07:31.000So you would pull up the National Weather Service on the screen, and then you would record yourself doing the weather, saying, you know, winds are going to be southeast, southeast, northeast.
02:07:43.000northwest out at 15 miles an hour or whatever you do the obituaries but um no you didn't actually dj it was just like you would hit the space bar music would start playing be like, okay folks, if you can't tell by the music, I'll go ahead and tell you myself it's time to dial a deal.
02:07:59.000Remember, our numbers up here are 667 4567 or toll free at 888 325 KTYN.
02:08:37.000No, it was a classic country radio station.
02:08:39.000So I'm up there listening to like Willie, Wayland, Hank Sr., Hank Jr.
02:08:46.000And then also they were playing, they were playing like some mod, like I remember Brad Paisley was being played on air and he just shredded, but no, I couldn't.
02:09:01.000I couldn't put Once I printed out the track listing for the record that I had made, I would make CD records and sell them at school like five bucks a pock.
02:09:12.000I made more money selling records in high school than I ever did as an adult.
02:10:46.000Radio was a weird thing, man, because it was like a local connection and all that stuff is kind of gone now.
02:10:53.000You know, local connection used to be fun.
02:10:56.000There was something about listening to the local radio in the morning when you're on your way to work that was kind of cool.
02:11:02.000it was great and you knew that most of your friends were listening to they had a program And it was just like a call out to Burns Drug, Burns Pharmacy or whatever, and then you'd hear the sound of a coffee cup.
02:11:29.000The obituaries ran, you'd listen to them, you'd be like, Oh, Janine died.
02:13:01.000No, it's just scheduleded tours, so like tomorrow I'll announce a tour and I think it's like twenty something dates and then I'll go out for two months and play, you know?
02:13:58.000So, but there's a lot of tunes to choose from, right?
02:14:01.000Usually, you know, on the set I'll play a lot of these, a lot of these topical ones and then bring the band up and then we'll play the other records that I got.
02:14:12.000But no, I was just at Newport and then we did Edmonton Folk Fest.
02:14:18.000And here in a little bit, I'll do Farm Aid and Healing Appalachia.
02:14:23.000Farm Aid was, like last year around this time, John Cougar Mellencamp sent me an email and was like, Jesse, I would like you to play at Farm Aid.
02:14:36.000But it was from a weird email address and I didn't believe it was him, but it was totally him, just like emailing through his girlfriend's email or something.
02:16:14.000I don't understand why musicians are you know they're they're making like let me i'm gonna send you something jamie i don't know if you've seen this where they made a female indie like emo whatever it would be band lady and it's really good yeah like you listen to it and you're like holy shit i sent it to uh patric uh from uh the black keys patricia carney and uh And he was,
02:16:44.000his answer was like, pop music is AI has been for a while.
02:16:47.000Good thing I suck at drums and make it human.
02:18:46.000It's, I mean, for some people, I'm sure it's a worry., but it's also just a concern that there's a new element of society, that there's creativity is being replaced in at least a form right in front of our eyes.
02:19:02.000Regardless of what you think about pop music, there are some people that are making pop music as a creative endeavor, and that just did it way better than they do, and did it like that.
02:19:13.000They'll have to find something else to do.
02:19:15.000They'll have to listen to something else in JCPenney.
02:20:47.000Napster came along and some people freaked out and, you know, some people lost a lot of fans because they freaked out too, like trying to stop the tide of inevitability.
02:21:10.000I mean, everyone kind of understood that this is, if you're logical and objective, you could pretend like, oh, don't worry, we're going to be fine.
02:21:18.000But if you're logical and objective, you go, oh, this is just the first bullet that landed.
02:21:24.000this never-ending war with digital information.
02:21:29.000You're not going to be able to prevent this from happening.
02:21:32.000I think the record companies have figured out how to make money off of streaming and to make sure that the artist probably doesn't get all that much of it.
02:21:39.000Well, this is the beautiful thing about being independent.
02:21:42.000If you're independent, you can make money off of streaming.
02:21:44.000And if you're independent, you had all of your touring revenue, which is really where it's at.
02:21:50.000You just make enough to pay for another tour.
02:21:54.000Well, it depends on how successful you are.
02:21:56.000But this is what's really crazy about some of the deals that some of these artists are signing where the label gets a giant percentage of their touring money, which didn't used to be the case.