The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2368 - Michael Button

00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

00:00:13.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:14.000 You too, man.

00:00:14.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:15.000 Pleasure.

00:00:16.000 I love your channel, man.

00:00:17.000 It's really great.

00:00:19.000 You're really doing some really interesting videos.

00:00:22.000 When did you get started?

00:00:24.000 Thanks.

00:00:24.000 Well, I only started the YouTube less than a year ago.

00:00:28.000 That's crazy.

00:00:29.000 It's been a bit of a wild ride.

00:00:30.000 I don't even know how I found it.

00:00:32.000 It was like one of those YouTube recommends things.

00:00:34.000 just popped up and I don't remember which one it was.

00:00:38.000 It was something on ancient history.

00:00:40.000 Yeah.

00:00:41.000 And I was like, oh, all right.

00:00:43.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:00:44.000 I mean, yeah, I started just under a year ago, but no one started watching until like March.

00:00:50.000 And then I think you used to see me just after that point.

00:00:52.000 And it's been a bit of a big journey since then upwards.

00:00:56.000 But it's been very exciting and very happy to be here today.

00:01:00.000 Very excited to be in Austin.

00:01:02.000 And yeah, looking forward to talk about some ancient history.

00:01:04.000 So did you start off on a traditional academic journey and then sort of get sidetracked into a YouTube career?

00:01:12.000 Like how did this work?

00:01:13.000 Yeah, basically.

00:01:14.000 So I studied ancient history at university for four years.

00:01:17.000 And I've always been interested in history.

00:01:19.000 I've done history all the way through.

00:01:20.000 Like I was fascinated about history as a kid and got to the stage of my life where it was, you know, thinking about going to university.

00:01:27.000 So I thought I'll do ancient history at university and study there for four years, graduated, all of that kind of stuff.

00:01:32.000 But there came a point during my degree where I was kind of, you know, a little bit...

00:01:38.000 I didn't quite agree with the kind of high level ideas regarding the timeline of history and what we're taught about our ancient past.

00:01:47.000 And it wasn't that I disputed anything that I'd been taught and I have like great respect for the people that I met at university and my professors.

00:01:55.000 And I don't dispute anything that we were taught actually on the course, but it was more the kind of high level macro perspective of history that I found myself having more and more more questions about and yeah so what what bothered you like what were the questions it was kind of the big questions regarding the origins of civilization and how deep civilization goes and how complex human behavior you know, I thought went way back further into history than what we were being taught.

00:02:24.000 And I wasn't too, I just didn't buy this idea that nothing happened for like a vast stretch of time.

00:02:31.000 Because it was during my course that they found that modern humans, they made this discovery in Morocco in 2017 or 2018, I think.

00:02:40.000 And that was when I was at university.

00:02:41.000 Was that Denisovans?

00:02:42.000 No, no, Homo sapiens.

00:02:44.000 So I can't remember.

00:02:44.000 It's called like the Jebel Erud site or something like that.

00:02:48.000 But they were modern Homo sapien remains.

00:02:51.000 They thought they were Neanderthal initially because they were so old.

00:02:54.000 They're 315,000 years old.

00:02:54.000 How old were they?

00:02:57.000 That's kind of like the estimate.

00:02:59.000 It goes up to potentially 360,000 years old.

00:03:01.000 years old so they're super old and yeah they thought they were initially neanderthal because of this age but then they discovered a few more and they were they classified them as homo sapien and when i saw that i was like how is this not kicking up more of a fuss because before them the oldest Homo sapien remains we had were around 200,000

00:03:17.000 years old and that had been the case for like a decade or something and before that it was like 100,000 years old so this discovery pushed back the age of our species by another third like 100,000 years so I saw that and I was thinking like how are we still basing our kind of idea of history around the fact that nothing happened for you know 310,000 years and then everything happened in like the last you know 10,000 years since the Neolithic Revolution.

00:03:41.000 I just thought that was odd because, you know, we've been in this anatomically modern form for so long and yet we were being taught that nothing had happened until, you know, the last 10,000 years.

00:03:51.000 And that just didn't make sense to me.

00:03:53.000 So that's kind of where I started thinking about it.

00:03:55.000 And then we did this module at university, I remember, called, it was called something like Cataclysms or something.

00:04:01.000 And it was all about how in recorded history, natural disaster had a big impact on human societies and stuff like that.

00:04:07.000 And how small, like tiny changes in climate could massively disrupt human civilization and bring them all crashing down.

00:04:14.000 And the case study they used was something called the Late Bronze Age Collapse.

00:04:17.000 Have you ever heard of the Late Bronze Age?

00:04:19.000 And that's when all these like powerful influential civilizations at the kind of peak of human progress around 1000 BC all simultaneously came crashing down.

00:04:28.000 And no one was quite sure why it was.

00:04:29.000 But the best theory we have is that it's like a kind of combination of climate factors, which led to trade disruption, which led to societal unrest.

00:04:38.000 And then all these empires like the Hittite Empire, the Syrian Empire, the palaces of Mycenae in Greece, the Egyptian New Kingdom, all within a 20 to 30, 40 year period, all came crashing down the exact same time.

00:04:48.000 And I remember being hooked by that.

00:04:50.000 I was like, that's so crazy.

00:04:51.000 Like, we don't even know why this happened.

00:04:53.000 But it was like a half degree changing climate.

00:05:11.000 Just a tiny half-degree change in climate which caused drought which led to those civilizations collapsing.

00:05:16.000 Some of the stuff that had been happening during prehistory was so much worse than that.

00:05:20.000 And that got me thinking like, how do we know that sophisticated human culture hadn't flourished, you know, 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago, 200,000 years ago, and collapsed due to climate change or natural disaster, volcanoes, comet impacts, anything like that.

00:05:36.000 And that's kind of what set me on the journey.

00:05:38.000 That along with the discovery of the remains in Morocco.

00:05:42.000 And that really got me thinking about the story we've told regarding our past and how our our past and how I wasn't quite sure.

00:05:48.000 And yeah, that's kind of what made me initially kind of break away from the traditional timeline that we were being taught.

00:05:55.000 The term prehistory is weird, isn't it?

00:05:57.000 Because it's like, according to what?

00:06:00.000 What we find?

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:01.000 You know, I mean, how do we know what historical, if there was a great cataclysm, like if the younger Dryas impact theory is correct?

00:06:09.000 What, you know, how much history would be written down?

00:06:12.000 What would be left?

00:06:13.000 How would you find it?

00:06:14.000 What would you know?

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:15.000 You know, we're, we're, that's one of the things that disturbs me the most is the arrogance that some academics have to having a definitive understanding of the exact timeline of agriculture, civilization, and then modern humans.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, it annoys me.

00:06:33.000 I feel like academics, as opposed to the alternative historians are kind of more saying, we don't know, but here's a potential hypothetical scenario that could be possible.

00:06:41.000 Whereas I feel like more mainstream, for want of a better word, I don't really like using that because I don't think there's such a thing as a mainstream.

00:06:47.000 It's not like there's a group of people that will collectively decide, but some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past.

00:06:58.000 And that's just stupid.

00:06:59.000 Like how can anyone know about what happened 100,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago and it gets me a little bit rolled up because at the end of the day, none of us know what happened back then.

00:07:09.000 So I think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than what many people appreciate.

00:07:16.000 Did you ever see there was a video documentary back in the day, something about the mysteries of the Sphinx and there was this archeologist that was mocking Graham Hancock's ideas and Dr. Robert Schaak's ideas about the timeline, talking about things that existed pre-10,000 years.

00:07:40.000 And he was saying, he was like laughing.

00:07:44.000 What evidence is there of any civilization from 10,000 years ago?

00:07:50.000 This was literally, I think, around the same time that they discovered Gobekli Tepe.

00:07:57.000 This guy was mocking it.

00:08:00.000 I think slightly thereafter they discovered Gobekli Tepe, which threw everything. 0.99

00:08:05.000 Into a Tizzy because now you've got something that was absolutely covered.

00:08:12.000 they believe intentionally somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 000 years ago yeah i think gobekli tepe is the biggest kind ofgest kind of smoking gun for at least for the idea that civilization is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests, because obviously, as you say, it's like twelve thousand years old and it's massive megalithic pillars.

00:08:30.000 I mean, you know about Göbekli Tepe, probably most people listening to this will know about Göbekli Tepe, but it's such a clear sign that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the conventional timeline suggests.

00:08:41.000 And I think that at least should throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people's ideas regarding human civilization and when it began, because clearly the toolkit for civilization existed twelve thousand years ago.

00:08:52.000 So why couldn't it have existed a little bit then, did it then take another six thousand years for it to emerge in ancient Summa, which is the kind of traditional thought to be the earliest civilization?

00:09:05.000 Kebekli Tepe is fascinating.

00:09:07.000 I love it.

00:09:07.000 It's a really interesting site.

00:09:09.000 I think it will one day be classed as a civilization.

00:09:13.000 I'm almost certain that when enough time passes, we'll kind of look at that.

00:09:17.000 Because it's a whole culture, the whole Tashtopela culture.

00:09:20.000 There's like 14 sites at least, and they all have this kind of megalithic architecture.

00:09:24.000 They all have shared symbolism.

00:09:26.000 They all clearly connected.

00:09:28.000 Like, it's crazy how it's not defined as anything other than Hunter Gatherers.

00:09:33.000 And if even if you think that Hunter Gatherers built Kebekli Tepe, then you need to massively update the definition of what a hunter-gatherer is because clearly they had surplus they weren't just building these sites in their spare time and yeah it's it's a truly paradigm shifting site but i mean i mean everyone kind of knows about go back to the topic now but not everyone but it but also as spectacular as what they've discovered so far is they have only unearthed five percent of it which is even more bizarre because you've got so

00:10:04.000 much stuff that's underground you have no idea what's on those pillars you know there's speculation that one of the pillars from go back to the topic that is unearthed is some sort of a calendar of events and they believe that it depicts some sort of a disaster, like that these whatever how they they're making these images to be associated with either an impact or something, but there's a timeline that's inscribed in these pillars.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, there's like a study that was written or a paper that was written and they think it's the pillar 43, I think it is, is kind of like a cosmic calendar and it's like a almost a prediction model of an impact that could happen or already has happened and that it's like a warning for the future.

00:10:50.000 I mean, that is still disputed, but there's been good research that's done into that that suggests that's what it is.

00:10:55.000 And it's certainly a site that has cosmic alignments and has been built with the stars in mind, which is something that we can say about so many ancient sites around the world, which is another thing that isn't really considered by, you know, quote unquote, mainstream archaeology, perhaps as much as it should be.

00:11:13.000 So, yeah, it's a fascinating site, and I really think it displays a lot about how human ingenuity and civilization.

00:11:21.000 I mean, people get a bit stuck with the word civilization because we have this very narrow definition of what civilization is.

00:11:28.000 And it's basically based on the old model of Mesopotamia, which is ancient Summa.

00:11:33.000 And because that was the earliest known civilization for so long, we kind of constructed this whole idea about what a civilization is purely based on Mesopotamia.

00:11:42.000 But I don't see why that has to be what civilization is, because that was just one civilization.

00:11:46.000 And just because that was the earliest one we'd found for a long time and still is thought of as such, doesn't mean that that's the only way that humanity can flourish.

00:11:56.000 because humans are so adaptable we do so many different things and we're clever in different ways and we you know change to different environments and I think that definition has really kept a lot of people kind of boxed in when thinking about how sophisticated human culture could flourish in different places and different environments and with different pressures.

00:12:15.000 And I think that's kind of forced people to not consider what other possibilities are out there.

00:12:23.000 I think it's even more fascinating if you consider the fact that ancient Sumer and that part of the world from about 6,000 years ago is where they're sort of hanging their hat saying that this is the birthplace of civilization.

00:12:38.000 But if you do have this evidence of Gobekli Tepe, and then we are talking about some sort of an ancient civilization that lived 12,000 years ago, like what happened?

00:12:49.000 Like, what was the gap between that and then it took six thousand years before they started civilization back up again, sort of a reimagining of civilization, which makes you really, at least makes me really consider the possibility of a cataclysm, because if the people that survived, whatever they would be, you know, I mean, they would probably be living off the land, they'd probably be barely getting by and barbaric for a long, long time.

00:13:17.000 And if it really took six thousand years to kind of like settle down again, that is fascinating to me.

00:13:23.000 Yeah, and it all ties into this idea that we've had that.

00:13:27.000 agriculture leads to civilization, but there's that bizarre thing that agriculture appears in multiple different places at pretty much the exact same time all over the world and that's never made sense to me because if agriculture was such a kind of vital invention for civilization to flourish then why did no one invent it for you know 310,000 years.

00:13:50.000 Right.

00:13:51.000 And then in South America, in Mesopotamia, in ancient China, and you could argue there's other different places that, so say there's like South America and there's Central America.

00:14:00.000 I mean, you could argue that's potentially connected, but a lot of people say it isn't.

00:14:03.000 So how can agriculture, if it's such an incredible invention, be invented by multiple people at the same time, but no one else thought of it before?

00:14:13.000 I mean, it doesn't make sense to me.

00:14:14.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:14:15.000 It doesn't make any sense they wouldn't figure out seeds.

00:14:17.000 How do you not know eventually that these seeds are dropping and then you see seedlings that are coming out of the ground?

00:14:27.000 Just that seems pretty logical and an easy connection.

00:14:31.000 And then you'd say, oh, well, if we gather these seeds and go plant them over there, you know, maybe we can get some fruit trees over here.

00:14:38.000 Oh, look at that.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 Like that doesn't that seems like you'd figure that out in one lifetime.

00:14:39.000 It worked.

00:14:43.000 I know.

00:14:43.000 But I think I think the idea is the idea always has been that it's because of the climate.

00:14:47.000 Right.

00:14:48.000 So because of the Holocene, which is which began around 12000 years ago, as we came out of that and we had kind of stable climate conditions that we still live in today.

00:14:56.000 that's what enabled the invention of agriculture.

00:14:59.000 Right.

00:14:59.000 But then the question I always ask is, well, what about all the other warm periods that have come in the past?

00:15:04.000 If as the idea is that, you know, stable climate led to agriculture, then.

00:15:25.000 it's unlikely they're the earliest Homo sapiens that ever lived.

00:15:28.000 They're just the earliest we found.

00:15:29.000 So we could be even older than that.

00:15:31.000 So considering we've been through four distinct warm periods before the Holocene, and if the argument is that the Holocene was what led to the invention of agriculture due to the stable climate, then why couldn't it have happened in the earlier warm periods?

00:15:45.000 That's a question I've always asked myself and been fascinated by.

00:15:49.000 And the real problem is there would be very little evidence, if any.

00:15:53.000 Yeah, so this is the preservation problem, and this is something I talk about in my videos.

00:15:57.000 I kind of always ask the question, like, what if human culture had flourished in the Emian, for example, which was from 130 to 115,000 years ago, what realistically would survive?

00:16:09.000 Because it's such a vast, vast length of time that it's really unlikely, at least as far as I can tell, and obviously I'm not a scientist, I'm not like a, you know, a materialist, I'm not any kind of, I'm just a guy, I'm not even a historian technically, but as

00:16:39.000 I think it would be extremely unlikely that pretty much anything would survive when you get up to these huge time scales of like 100,000 years.

00:16:47.000 And so I've been doing quite a lot of research into this because I don't I obviously don't want to, you know, get things wrong and put falsehoods out there and mislead people.

00:16:57.000 I don't want to look like a dickhead in front of like millions of people or whatever.

00:17:00.000 So I've been trying to like, you know, debunk myself or play devil's advocate to myself on this point because, you know, that's the best way to make your argument airtight and no one's really out there debunking me.

00:17:12.000 I don't know if that's because I'm right or because, like, no one knows me.

00:17:16.000 Maybe that will change after a show like this, but...

00:17:31.000 So if you're right, like somewhere like London or Manhattan, like, yeah, what would be left in a hundred thousand years?

00:17:36.000 Yeah, of like an actual modern city.

00:17:38.000 And the scary truth is it's it's almost nothing.

00:17:41.000 Like, there are really?

00:17:43.000 As far as I can tell, and obviously cement buildings, they would just deteriorate.

00:17:46.000 They would go, they would go, like, concrete would crack and you'd get CO2 in there and freeze thaw weathering and over these huge time scales of like five thousand years, ten thousand years, they would just crumble down.

00:17:57.000 into dust and be absolutely imperceptible.

00:17:59.000 It's just 10,000 years.

00:18:00.000 I think so.

00:18:01.000 Obviously, these, I mean, I'm just doing this off the top of my head.

00:18:03.000 I haven't got any notes in front of me or anything.

00:18:05.000 But as far as I can tell from my research, it's going to be a few, like, 10,000 years, 20,000 years max.

00:18:12.000 It's not going to get up to these time scales of 100,000 years.

00:18:15.000 So if you do add in, if you think about what Manhattan would look like in 100,000 years, it's almost nothing.

00:18:21.000 I would say it was nothing, to be honest.

00:18:24.000 And it would just get overrun by trees again.

00:18:24.000 Nothing.

00:18:27.000 Yeah, because it's just such an incredible amount of time that all these materials that we build with are just going to corrode.

00:18:34.000 And they're going to rust away.

00:18:36.000 If they're metals, they're going to oxidize.

00:18:37.000 They're going to flake until they're just tiny little fragments that just disperse in the sedimentary record and they're just invisible to see.

00:18:44.000 And same with concrete, same with even things like glass.

00:18:47.000 I've heard a lot of people say that glass would potentially survive because glass is a, you know, it's a very durable material and glass would survive a long time.

00:18:55.000 But glass in the form of a human-made recognizable artifact.

00:19:01.000 isn't going to survive in that form.

00:19:02.000 It's going to get crushed.

00:19:03.000 It's going to break away into tiny little nanofragments, into silica grains that are just invisible in the kind of archaeological record when you get up to these huge levels of time.

00:19:13.000 And yeah, I mean, there's, I would say almost nothing would survive that long.

00:19:18.000 And again, with the caveat that I'm just some random dude who's investigated this on the internet and researched this myself, not a scientist.

00:19:24.000 If anyone out there is a material scientist, I'd encourage them to reach out to me.

00:19:28.000 But as far as I can tell, there are very few things that could possibly survive that long.

00:19:34.000 I mean, we're pretty crazy fucking apes.

00:19:37.000 We do crazy shit.

00:19:38.000 So things like nuclear weapons, like we test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere.

00:19:41.000 You could argue if we knew when to look and what to look for, we could see traces of plutonium in the atmosphere from our nuclear weapons testing.

00:19:48.000 Or you could see our nuclear waste deposits.

00:19:51.000 Or things like carved stone, because stone obviously survives a very long time., human carved stone, you'd be able to find that.

00:19:57.000 But we do find that.

00:19:58.000 We find, you know, stone tools.

00:20:00.000 But just because ancient humans used stone tools doesn't mean they didn't use anything else.

00:20:05.000 It's just stone is the most likely thing to survive.

00:20:07.000 And the crazy thing is, like, do you, Joe, do you know how many sites we have, Homo sapiens sites from more than 100,000 years ago?

00:20:16.000 Nine.

00:20:16.000 How many?

00:20:18.000 We have nine sites, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over 200,000 years of history, nine moments in time.

00:20:26.000 And we use that to extrapolate out what every single human was doing for nine globally.

00:20:32.000 Nine globally, yeah.

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00:21:37.000 And where are they mostly?

00:21:38.000 Africa.

00:21:39.000 And so what do they find?

00:21:41.000 Like what is the evidence?

00:21:42.000 It's usually caves and it's usually just remains of firepits and stone tools.

00:21:47.000 And that's kind of it.

00:21:48.000 And so we see that and we think, okay, they just lived in caves and used stone tools.

00:21:52.000 Right.

00:21:53.000 But it's nine sites, nine moments in time for two hundred thousand years.

00:21:56.000 Well, the problem is there are people that essentially live like that right now in some parts of the world, which is really weird, right?

00:22:03.000 Because we always want to think about technology and advancement of civilization being kind of universal, but it's really not.

00:22:12.000 You know, there's people that are living a subsistence lifestyle right now.

00:22:15.000 There's people that are uncontacted right now.

00:22:19.000 At the same time as Elon Musk sends rockets to Mars and shit, yeah.

00:22:22.000 Right.

00:22:23.000 I mean, that's the weirdest of those is when you see them get invaded in the Amazon when you see them contact these people and they're pointing bows and arrows at helicopters and they're naked.

00:22:33.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:34.000 We're so adaptable.

00:22:35.000 Humans can do so many different things.

00:22:37.000 And as you say, right now we're sending rockets to space and people are living in very traditional ways of life.

00:22:42.000 And that just because we find traditional ways of life in, I repeat, nine sites to cover two hundred thousand years, in my view, that's just what we can see.

00:22:52.000 That's just the only that points to my point regarding what would possibly survive.

00:22:56.000 Because if you think of all the human lives, stories, cultures that have potentially existed for our whole species existence, if we only have nine little glimpses from, and to be fair, that nine is.

00:23:08.000 is you could say it's up to 15 because some sites are debated but either way it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of human, you know, signs of human life.

00:23:18.000 Just because in that fragment, in that snapshot, in that slither, all we see is some humans with stone tools in caves doesn't mean that nothing else was happening.

00:23:29.000 Well, a good piece of evidence to that that would point in that direction is Egypt because Egypt, even if you accept the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is 2500 BC for the Great Pyramid, go look at the rest of the world at 2500 BC.

00:23:45.000 You don't see anything like that.

00:23:47.000 Nothing even close.

00:23:48.000 Yeah, they were clearly, even if you kind of look at the conventional model of history, the ancient Egyptians were wildly ahead of everyone.

00:23:54.000 Everyone.

00:23:55.000 It's just so weird.

00:23:56.000 It's so weird.

00:23:57.000 And that's if you and the conventional model doesn't really give us any explanations of how they were doing what they were doing.

00:24:02.000 They arrogantly dismiss any other explanations, which is really weird when you're talking about these immense structures that are baffling.

00:24:11.000 Absolutely baffling to anyone who's being honest.

00:24:13.000 Yeah.

00:24:14.000 What is your view on these Italian researchers that are looking at the tomography and they're looking at these things that they believe are under the Great Pyramid and some other structures in Egypt?

00:24:25.000 Yeah, the kind of the what's it called?

00:24:28.000 Like Sars Topla. 0.74

00:24:30.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:24:31.000 I'm always a little bit suspicious when you make sensationalist claims with new technology.

00:24:35.000 And that doesn't mean it's wrong.

00:24:36.000 I just that just could be suspicious.

00:24:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:38.000 Because it's bonkers.

00:24:39.000 It's bonkers.

00:24:39.000 Because what they're saying is two kilometers deep underneath the Great Pyramid, there's structures.

00:24:45.000 And there's hundreds of meters of these pylons, these pillars that are in uniform positions with some sort of a coil wrapped around them.

00:24:55.000 Like, what is that?

00:24:57.000 Is that real?

00:24:58.000 And they reproduce it in multiple different scans, but I don't know what they're seeing.

00:25:02.000 I don't understand the technology.

00:25:04.000 I understand where the errors could be.

00:25:06.000 Like, what could possibly cause it to glitch like that?

00:25:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:25:12.000 I would love it to be true, obviously, because you know, I would love it.

00:25:15.000 Can you imagine?

00:25:16.000 That's the problem.

00:25:17.000 The problem is the same problem that I have with UFOs and everything else.

00:25:20.000 You want it to be true?

00:25:21.000 100%.

00:25:22.000 So it really clouds my judgment.

00:25:25.000 And then I have to get my, you know, analytical mind to say, shut up.

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 Let's look at this honestly.

00:25:31.000 But I mean, I think there's definitely something below the Giza Plateau.

00:25:36.000 Like that's always been written about in ancient sources and these kind of scans.

00:25:41.000 And then people kind of, you have stories of people going down into labyrinths that aren't, you know, accepted by Egyptology.

00:25:47.000 And there's definitely massive mystery surrounding Giza and the construction of the pyramids and what could potentially be below the pyramids.

00:25:54.000 And this kind of new pyramid scan project has the potential, I think, to, you know, make big progress in understanding what is below Giza.

00:26:04.000 But I don't know, until there's better data out there, I'm not going to, you know, jump to any conclusions and declarations.

00:26:11.000 declare that this is like evidence of a lost advanced technology civilization or anything.

00:26:16.000 No, you can't, but I am so excited.

00:26:19.000 about just the possibility that they're right.

00:26:21.000 Because if they are right, that throw, that's the greatest monkey wrench into history that's ever existed.

00:26:28.000 Because explain away that with ancient people with stone tools or copper.

00:26:33.000 Like, explain away that.

00:26:34.000 They'd probably try, mate, because it already doesn't make sense their explanation for the construction of the pyramids being wooden sledges and stone chisels or whatever they say.

00:26:44.000 It already doesn't make sense.

00:26:45.000 It's already so ridiculous that I wouldn't even be surprised if they try to explain away these things.

00:26:50.000 Well, that will discredit them.

00:26:51.000 Because the problem is, if it does indicate that the pyramid is something other than a tomb.

00:26:57.000 There's not I don't even see any evidence that The great pyramid at Giza, I mean, what's the evidence that that was a tomb?

00:27:04.000 I mean, did they, I don't think they've ever found a body in there?

00:27:07.000 No.

00:27:07.000 It's just a chamber, which they've called the king's chamber.

00:27:10.000 Right.

00:27:10.000 I mean, I'm not an expert in ancient Egypt by any respect, but it's always baffled me that they're so determined that the pyramids are tombs just because some later pyramids have had, you know, mummies and pharaohs and sarcophagi found inside them.

00:27:23.000 But that doesn't mean anything.

00:27:25.000 And that doesn't mean that they built it.

00:27:27.000 That also could mean that the pharaoh decided that it was his and wanted to be buried inside of it.

00:27:32.000 And it had existed for thousands of years before they ever even got there.

00:27:36.000 And you can find bodies in, like, you know, buildings today, and that doesn't mean the purpose of that building was to be a tomb.

00:27:41.000 Right.

00:27:42.000 It's just buried there, so someone, yeah, as you said.

00:27:44.000 It's a weird assumption.

00:27:45.000 It's a very weird assumption.

00:27:47.000 And did you ever read any Christopher?

00:27:51.000 Christopher Dunn, yeah.

00:27:52.000 Christopher Dunn's work.

00:27:53.000 I know a bit, I haven't read his book, but I know a bit about it.

00:27:55.000 And it's interesting.

00:27:56.000 I mean, he's like a serious guy, isn't he?

00:27:58.000 He's like an engineer.

00:27:59.000 And he has quite serious theories that.

00:27:59.000 Exactly.

00:28:01.000 He thinks it's a power plant.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, which would be crazy, wouldn't it?

00:28:06.000 Especially if you add into that the Graham Hancock's ideas and some of these other people's ideas that perhaps some of these structures are far older.

00:28:15.000 Well, the kind of Orion correlation and the Sphinx.

00:28:19.000 Also the fact that the deeper you go into the sand, the more sophisticated the building techniques are.

00:28:25.000 That gets weird.

00:28:26.000 Like larger stones, like what happened?

00:28:30.000 The whole of like ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general just doesn't make sense to me because when you look at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was green for nine thousand years and then it stopped being green at precisely the time that we're told ancient Egypt emerged, well, that doesn't make sense.

00:28:47.000 That defies how civilization works.

00:28:49.000 Why would a civilization emerge only after the climate got worse?

00:28:53.000 That doesn't make any sense at all.

00:28:55.000 And so little research done in sub-Saharan Africa, where they've actually gone into the ground and done like large scale research of these immense areas.

00:29:05.000 Nothing, nothing.

00:29:06.000 The Sahara Desert is vast and obviously covered in sand and extremely hot, extremely difficult to survey, politically instable, and there's basically no archeological work done across the whole.

00:29:15.000 And the Sahara Desert is massive.

00:29:17.000 It's like the whole of North Africa right down to I mean, it's massive and you could fit the United States in there.

00:29:23.000 You could fit anything in there, like a whole, like preceding civilization for nine thousand years leading up to ancient Egypt.

00:29:30.000 Like it's the perfect place.

00:29:31.000 It's right by Mesopotamia, it's right by Egypt, and yet we have this blank spot for the nine thousand years before the development of civilization, which is kind of also the gap between, I mean, it's a little bit less than this, but the gap between Gabekli Tepe and the birth of civilization. 0.82

00:29:46.000 We have this huge area which would have been perfect for civilization, full of rivers, lakes, grasslands, perfect climate, and it's just missing.

00:29:55.000 Also abundant resources where they could establish a stable civilization because they had so much food and they weren't being attacked, so they could kind of set up shop and figure some things out over a long period of time.

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, so my theory is that things were happening in the Sahara Desert when it was green, in the green Sahara, for those 9,000 years.

00:30:16.000 And then because it was really quick, that's what I don't think people realize is that when the Sahara Desert turned from, you know, green, lush paradise, whatever you want to call it, to a desert, it was like a few centuries.

00:30:28.000 It's called rapid desertification.

00:30:29.000 And it flipped, not overnight, obviously, but in a few centuries compared to 9,000 years, it's a rapid change.

00:30:37.000 And for any kind of culture that was living there, you wouldn't have noticed it straight away.

00:30:40.000 But in 50 years, you'd be like, fuck, it's getting a bit hot here.

00:30:44.000 Like shit is going on.

00:30:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:45.000 And then I think maybe people migrated to the last stretch of green that was still available to them, which was the Nile River.

00:30:52.000 And then the kind of survivors or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River and using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had from their lives and the kind of history of their cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led to ancient Egypt.

00:31:07.000 I mean, that's just a...

00:31:12.000 Or even previous to that, which is also possible, especially when you consider what Robert Chalk thinks about the erosion, the water erosion and the Temple of the Sphinx.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, the kind of explanation away of that also never made sense to me.

00:31:26.000 that it's wind and sand because when you see pictures of the Sphinx even from when they kind of found it in Napoleonic times, it's buried in sand.

00:31:34.000 Right.

00:31:34.000 And there's records from the Egyptians themselves who excavated it effectively because it was covered in sand.

00:31:41.000 So if it quickly gets covered in sand, how could it be eroded by wind and sand?

00:31:47.000 If it doesn't take very long for it to kind of get filled up with sand, then how does wind and sand erosion even count?

00:31:53.000 I've never seen anyone kind of explain that away.

00:31:55.000 Well, it's the walls that are the most fascinating to me because the deep fissures that clearly look like rainfall.

00:32:02.000 It looks like something that water does over thousands of years.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 You know, and when you...

00:32:07.000 Those whales that were the whale, the Valley of the Whales.

00:32:10.000 Yeah.

00:32:11.000 It's just about, I don't know how many miles south, but it's south of Cairo.

00:32:14.000 That's bonkers too.

00:32:15.000 That's crazy.

00:32:17.000 They find whales.

00:32:18.000 Hundreds of whales in the desert.

00:32:36.000 how did those bones survive?

00:32:38.000 Like, why are they there?

00:32:40.000 Like, how quickly did they die?

00:32:41.000 How quickly did they get covered up by sediment that they could find them all these years later?

00:32:46.000 Because that's the weird thing about fossils and bones in general is that most of them you're never going to find because they get eaten, they deteriorate, they're gone.

00:32:57.000 It's very difficult to make a fossil.

00:32:59.000 When you think about our quote unquote fossil record, it's really weird because it's hard to make a fossil.

00:33:07.000 So we're dealing with a very small amount of beings that get turned into a fossil.

00:33:13.000 And that is what we're using.

00:33:17.000 as our understanding of like life.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:21.000 It's weird.

00:33:22.000 It is so limited.

00:33:22.000 It is weird.

00:33:22.000 It is.

00:33:23.000 I'm not sure when was the Juno when the Sahara was covered with water.

00:33:26.000 I'm not even sure when that was.

00:33:28.000 I mean, some people say that there's like a mass flood during the kind of younger dryest period, which I think is I think they're talking about millions of years ago for the bones.

00:33:36.000 How old are these whale bones supposed to be?

00:33:41.000 But I think millions of years ago, it's assumed that it was completely underwater, right?

00:33:45.000 So are we talking like Pangea times?

00:33:47.000 Like what are we talking about?

00:33:49.000 But even not too long ago, like, you know, kind of 12,000 years ago or whatever, they had these massive river systems like the Tamarasit River System.

00:33:58.000 Here it is.

00:33:59.000 40 million years old.

00:34:00.000 40 million years old.

00:34:02.000 I don't know about the whales.

00:34:04.000 Oh my God.

00:34:05.000 Primitive whales.

00:34:06.000 Primitive whales documenting, how do you say that word?

00:34:09.000 Cetacean?

00:34:10.000 How do you say that word?

00:34:12.000 Cetacean transition?

00:34:13.000 Is that how they say it?

00:34:15.000 Cetacean transition to marine life, Ceridians and reptiles as well as shark teeth from the Geneham Formation 40 to 41 million years ago.

00:34:27.000 The strata in, I won't say that either.

00:34:30.000 Wad al Hitan belongs to Middle Eocene epoch and it contains extensive vertebrate fossils within a 200 km area.

00:34:40.000 Fossils are present in high numbers and often show excellent quality of preservation.

00:34:44.000 The most conspicuous fossils are skeletons and bones of whales and sea cows.

00:34:50.000 What's a sea cow? 1.00

00:34:51.000 I don't know.

00:34:53.000 It's a manatee.

00:34:54.000 You ever see the precursor to whales, like where whales came from?

00:34:58.000 I know.

00:34:58.000 Where did they come from?

00:34:59.000 It was an ancient animal that was like a almost like a hooved wolf.

00:35:04.000 What, sea animal?

00:35:06.000 No, you mean, oh, they were land animal.

00:35:08.000 That's why they breathe air.

00:35:09.000 Of course, they're mammals, aren't they?

00:35:11.000 Yeah.

00:35:12.000 It's super weird.

00:35:13.000 It's super weird.

00:35:14.000 It was some animal that supposedly lived on land.

00:35:18.000 And it was real freaky looking, almost kinda like dog like.

00:35:22.000 Yeah.

00:35:23.000 And that thing eventually became a whale.

00:35:26.000 I just like swimming.

00:35:27.000 I'm a good bird.

00:35:28.000 And then one day it said, I'm never going back to the land.

00:35:31.000 It's filled with assholes.

00:35:33.000 I'm just going to live out here in the ocean where all you have to contend with is sharks.

00:35:36.000 This article calls it the God of Death whale.

00:35:39.000 Wow.

00:35:40.000 That's what it looked like.

00:35:41.000 That's what it looked like.

00:35:43.000 But there's some images of it on land, some depictions.

00:35:46.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 That's what it looked like.

00:35:48.000 That freaky thing was what whales came from. 0.89

00:35:52.000 That thing walked around the ground and then eventually said, eh.

00:35:55.000 It was 40 million years million years ago, is that what those skeletons are then?

00:35:59.000 Maybe.

00:36:00.000 Hmm.

00:36:01.000 Interesting.

00:36:02.000 Some of them maybe, right?

00:36:03.000 Because they do know that it was when whales walked in Egypt.

00:36:07.000 Wow.

00:36:08.000 I was watching, I think, I don't remember whose podcast it was.

00:36:13.000 I wish I could remember.

00:36:14.000 But they were talking to some guy that found definitive evidence of dinosaurs in Egypt.

00:36:20.000 So if you go back far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part of the world as well.

00:36:24.000 What's that one image you just saw right there with the mouth open?

00:36:27.000 Yeah, that one.

00:36:28.000 That's crazy looking.

00:36:31.000 Prehistoric whale ancestor.

00:36:32.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:36:34.000 Whoa.

00:36:35.000 That's crazy.

00:36:37.000 Here's the sea cows.

00:36:39.000 What?

00:36:40.000 This image says a prehistoric sea cow was killed by a prehistoric croc.

00:36:44.000 Wow.

00:36:45.000 And eaten by a tiger shark?

00:36:47.000 I don't know.

00:36:48.000 Boy.

00:36:49.000 Life is hard where there's no doors.

00:36:51.000 That's the problem with the ocean.

00:36:53.000 There's no doors.

00:36:54.000 There's nowhere to hide.

00:36:55.000 So it's just constant chaos.

00:36:58.000 It is just constant things eating things in this 3D space where they can go up and down and side to side.

00:37:05.000 That's just nature, isn't it, Mike?

00:37:07.000 It's just killing everything else.

00:37:09.000 Yes.

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00:37:45.000 We made it.

00:37:45.000 But we figured out doors.

00:37:47.000 We did.

00:37:47.000 We figured out walls and doors, and that changed the game.

00:37:50.000 But when did we do that, Joey?

00:37:51.000 That's the question.

00:37:51.000 That is the question.

00:37:52.000 Because a lot of people would claim to think.

00:37:54.000 and the kind of consensus always is that we didn't do that until 12,000 years ago.

00:37:59.000 We didn't settle down and form permanent communities until the Neolithic Revolution.

00:38:04.000 I think that's one of the major paradigms, if you like, that we have regarding our past that simply doesn't make sense in light of new evidence.

00:38:13.000 What is that evidence that they found of wood construction from far longer than they thought?

00:38:20.000 Yeah, this is the Colombo structure.

00:38:22.000 This is something I talk about a lot in my videos because I think it's a crazy find and I don't understand why it's not kicking up more of a fuss.

00:38:29.000 If I'm the guy that has to kick up the fuss about it, then I'll be that guy because basically the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter-gatherers that moved with the seasons and lived in caves or just kind of walked around for all of our history until the neolithic revolution the invention of agriculture twelve thousand years ago and no earlier than that did we ever settle down and live in permanent settlements but the Colombo structure was something they found a few years ago in

00:38:59.000 modern-day Zambia.

00:39:01.000 And what it is is this, these pieces of wood, and I'll get to the point about why this wood has survived in a minute, because obviously, you know, wood surviving this long is crazy.

00:39:09.000 But there you go, yes, so the Colombo structure is these pieces of wood that have been joined together deliberately, cut in notches and connected together, tapered and secured at right angles.

00:39:19.000 And they think it was either a kind of raised walkway, like a kind of raised platform, or a house, a dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure.

00:39:27.000 And why this is so paradigm shifting is because not only does this kind of scream that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement, sorry, I haven't even said this, this is 476,000 years old, so this pre dates Homo sapiens, so allegedly.

00:39:45.000 As in what do you mean allegedly?

00:39:45.000 Allegedly.

00:39:47.000 Oh, because we recently found.

00:39:49.000 out that they lived 300,000 years.

00:39:51.000 I guess, yeah, it could have been us.

00:39:52.000 But what they attribute it to is Homo habilbogensis, who is our last common ancestor with Neanderthals.

00:39:58.000 So they're kind of the human species that came before Homo sapiens. 0.70

00:40:02.000 So I guess you're right.

00:40:03.000 It could have been Homo sapiens, and we're just not sure how old we are.

00:40:06.000 But it's kind of attributed to Homo habilbogensis.

00:40:10.000 And the only reason this structure survived at all is because pretty soon after its construction, it must have fallen into a bog.

00:40:17.000 And then that bog kind of got solidified over by the sun.

00:40:20.000 And then it was preserved in waterlogged sediment, which protected it from decay for almost half a million years.

00:40:26.000 years until it was discovered by us recently.

00:40:29.000 How recent?

00:40:30.000 I think about five years ago maybe, was it 2019 or something?

00:40:34.000 I'm not 100% sure, but it's crazy.

00:40:37.000 It's a monkey wrench.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, I would say it's a massive monkey wrench because not only does it kind of really dispute this idea that we didn't settle down until, you know, 12,000 years ago with the Neolithic Revolution, because I mean it's a structure.

00:40:51.000 I mean, and it's just because it's so unlikely, it's so unbelievable that this would have survived, but that kind of suggests that it's not the only one.

00:41:00.000 There could have been loads of these, like structures everywhere.

00:41:04.000 And as you said, Manhattan wouldn't live, wouldn't exist in a hundred thousand years.

00:41:10.000 So this is 476,000 years.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

00:41:14.000 And it's just wood, which is less durable than all the other things we were talking about.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, and obviously people may be saying, well, look, clearly things survive, but this is an extreme edge case scenario where it's, it's like, so incredibly unlikely that this wooden structure would kind of sink into a bog, and then that bog be, you know, solidified over, and then it would stay in that preserved.

00:41:32.000 Like, it's a really And then that they would find it.

00:41:34.000 And then they would find it, exactly, because, you know, what would you do?

00:41:37.000 476,000 years into the sediment.

00:41:40.000 Because we don't dig that far and look for anything sophisticated, because we think, you know, nothing happened back then.

00:41:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:45.000 And then you find this.

00:41:47.000 and it really suggests that humans were living in much more complex societies.

00:41:53.000 The fact that they had the cognitive capacity to plan, structurally engineer, and build a structure completely flies in the face of what we've always thought about ancient humans.

00:42:04.000 Because we've always had this idea that there's been this very popular idea in kind of mainstream historical thought that humans only got smart.

00:42:14.000 around 50 to 60,000 years ago.

00:42:16.000 And that's just Homo sapiens.

00:42:17.000 We've always thought that other human species never got smart, never achieved what we call behavioral modernity.

00:42:22.000 And this has always been the kind of idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around 50 to 60,000 years ago.

00:42:30.000 And the most obvious proponent of how entrenched this is in kind of academic thought is, have you ever read the book Sapiens?

00:42:36.000 Yes.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, by Yval Noah Harari.

00:42:38.000 It's an extremely popular book.

00:42:40.000 It sells something like 60 million copies worldwide.

00:42:43.000 By far the most popular book about prehistory and, you know, the story of Homo sapiens ever written.

00:42:49.000 And Sapiens didn't kind of do anything new.

00:42:52.000 It didn't, I think Harari himself would admit this.

00:42:56.000 It didn't, it didn't, it kind of just collected the consensus of academia and presented it in a nice, digestible way to the kind of layman audience.

00:43:06.000 But he took this idea that's always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we've been around for quite a long time, we didn't achieve behavioral modernity until 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.

00:43:18.000 And that's when we started apparently displaying complex cognitive traits like abstract thinking and planning and burying our dead and art.

00:43:28.000 Art.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:29.000 And complex language and things like that.

00:43:32.000 But this just completely flies in the face of that, because if we had the capability to plan, construct and engineer a structure 476,000 years ago, mainstream anthropology was off by over 400,000 years regarding the advent of intelligence and the advent of permanent living.

00:43:51.000 And that's, I mean, that's quite the error.

00:43:54.000 400,000 years.

00:43:55.000 So that kind of suggests they could be off by similar margins about other developmental claims because...

00:43:55.000 Exactly.

00:44:02.000 Well, it's also when you think about the history of the Earth, there are times that we know that there was, like, there's great bottlenecks that occurred because of some sort of a massive natural catastrophe, like the Toba volcano.

00:44:15.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.000 Right, the Toba volcano, which was 70, 70,000 years ago?

00:44:20.000 Was that what it was?

00:44:21.000 70,000, yeah.

00:44:23.000 Brought people down to a few thousand survivors on Earth.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, and there's loads of these bottlenecks.

00:44:29.000 And you look at our kind of genetic history, and I mean, does that suggest that something happened?

00:44:29.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 Right, well, you're thinking about what evidence there is, and then you think about, well, there's no one left except a few thousand people 70,000 years ago.

00:44:45.000 So it's possible that there's been this rise of some sort of a civilization, and then massive catastrophe and a reconstruction, just like if we're talking about the younger Dryas, which is in this time period we're talking about, you know, when you're dealing with 476,000 years ago, fairly recent, right?

00:45:02.000 Very young.

00:45:03.000 Right.

00:45:04.000 And think about the 6,000 years it took for civilization to reemerge from that.

00:45:08.000 Now you think of Toba and you knocked down the entire population of the planet to what did they think it was?

00:45:15.000 See if you can find out what the number was.

00:45:17.000 I think it was very low.

00:45:18.000 I think it was below three thousand people on Earth.

00:45:22.000 On Earth.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, just around one thousand people.

00:45:25.000 One massive supervolcano, which is, by the way, just like Yellowstone.

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.000 It could have happened again.

00:45:32.000 That motherfucker is bubbling too.

00:45:35.000 Here it is.

00:45:37.000 Potentially.

00:45:38.000 potentially almost all of humanity leaving around 3,000 to 10,000 humans left on the planet.

00:45:44.000 That's crazy.

00:45:44.000 Wow.

00:45:46.000 And the supervolcano isn't the only thing.

00:45:48.000 There's so many others.

00:45:49.000 What time period is this, Jeremy?

00:45:51.000 Seventy four,000 years ago.

00:45:52.000 So that's quite recent.

00:45:53.000 Yeah.

00:45:54.000 In terms of our story.

00:45:55.000 Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was one of the most interesting ones that you brought up that in your videos, you were talking about how anatomical humans, just based on what we've agreed to, based on what we found 300,000 years, like what are the possibilities that there have been civilizations that have emerged and were destroyed, and then there's no evidence of them.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, because, I mean, aside from the preservation problem, which we kind of already talked about when you get up to these massive time scales, you know, very little is going to survive, especially when you think about what early humans were likely building with.

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:32.000 Like, it's probably the things they could find in their environment.

00:46:34.000 Right.

00:46:35.000 Wood, hide, plant remains.

00:46:36.000 You'd have nothing left.

00:46:38.000 Just look at what we know about the Amazon now because of LiDAR and because of, you know, what is his name?

00:46:44.000 Percy Fawcett.

00:46:45.000 Percy Fawcett.

00:46:47.000 Because these people that made these journeys down there looking for these complex civilizations that at one point in time, now we know did exist there.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 And just 100 years later, they called those people liars because they went back to the same place and there was nothing left.

00:47:00.000 And so that's always been, you know, thought of as myth or pseudoscience that it's kind of that most popular idea of lost civilizations was civilizations of the Amazon and it was always dismissed.

00:47:00.000 Yeah.

00:47:10.000 Well, here's what's really crazy.

00:47:12.000 Have you seen Detroit?

00:47:14.000 Have you seen the evidence of Detroit?

00:47:15.000 Where trees are going through houses?

00:47:17.000 And that's like 50 years less.

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 Or if you look at Chernobyl, the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives, it's already like trees everywhere and like nature is already taking root after less than half a century.

00:47:30.000 Bizarre.

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 And then you 100,000 years.

00:47:32.000 300,000 years.

00:47:32.000 Right.

00:47:33.000 Seriously, what's going to be left?

00:47:34.000 Very, very little.

00:47:35.000 And then if you go 200,000 years, I mean, if anatomically modern humans, if we've discovered them at 300,000 years, what if somebody digs one that's 2 million years old?

00:47:46.000 Then what do you do?

00:47:48.000 Then you've got to go, oh boy.

00:47:50.000 Oh boy.

00:47:51.000 And then there's also this thought that Neanderthals were stupid.

00:47:54.000 They're kind of abandoning that now too.

00:47:56.000 They're thinking they had language, they had tools, they had society.

00:48:00.000 They definitely did.

00:48:00.000 There's so much evidence.

00:48:01.000 And this kind of puts into the cognitive revolution argument, which is that we were the only smart species.

00:48:07.000 Like our name that we gave ourselves, Homo sapiens, literally means smart man.

00:48:11.000 It's always been the idea that we're the smartest humans and that's why we won.

00:48:15.000 And to be fair, we did win.

00:48:17.000 We did win.

00:48:18.000 Whatever you want to say.

00:48:19.000 We might just be the most evil.

00:48:20.000 Yeah, we might be the most evil.

00:48:21.000 We might just be the luckiest ones, you know?

00:48:22.000 Well, we're the weakest, so we probably had to be evil.

00:48:25.000 That's true.

00:48:26.000 We had to figure out weapons that were would be able to defeat the Neanderthals who had, by the way, larger brain capacities. 0.90

00:48:32.000 I think they were just as intelligent as us to be honest.

00:48:34.000 That's nuts.

00:48:35.000 Well, I mean, that's a claim that probably some people would dispute, but I think there's lots of evidence that they were very smart.

00:48:42.000 Well, necessity is the mother of invention, right?

00:48:44.000 And if you're physically weaker than these other things that are as intelligent as you and far stronger.

00:48:52.000 Like you gotta get devious.

00:48:55.000 You gotta figure some stuff out.

00:48:56.000 But like did we even, I mean, either, I mean, maybe they got wiped out by something like disease or did they even get wiped out?

00:49:03.000 Because if you even look at the DNA of non-African humans, it's something like 20% in some populations is Neanderthals. 0.75

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 They're kind of still here.

00:49:12.000 Well, they just sort of interbred.

00:49:14.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 Which is also weird because most species can't breed with other species.

00:49:19.000 Yeah.

00:49:19.000 Just, you know.

00:49:20.000 But we're very, I mean, we're very closely related to Neanderthals.

00:49:24.000 Yeah.

00:49:25.000 It's weird.

00:49:26.000 The whole history of humans is weird and for academics to deny this possibility, to me, seems so short sighted.

00:49:34.000 I know.

00:49:34.000 It was silly.

00:49:36.000 I think we're on the brink of a quite massive shift in our perspective regarding progress.

00:49:40.000 I think so too, and I think it has to happen where, I don't mean to say this to be cruel, but the old people have to die. 1.00

00:49:46.000 It's that quote, isn't it?

00:49:48.000 Science advances one funeral at a time.

00:49:50.000 I hope it doesn't take that long, though, to be honest.

00:49:53.000 I hope it's just in the next few weeks.

00:49:55.000 Well, the good thing is a lot of scientists don't take care of themselves.

00:49:58.000 Which is also weird.

00:50:00.000 When you see super intelligent people that are obese and eat terrible food.

00:50:03.000 Or health experts that are such.

00:50:06.000 Yes.

00:50:06.000 Air quote, health experts.

00:50:10.000 But it is, for me, a great service.

00:50:13.000 And one of the things that I find very promising is that a lot of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ideas, whether quietly or whether they're doing it publicly.

00:50:26.000 Yeah, well, I think the advent of the internet and shows like this or the medium of podcasting has really kind of democratized the access to information and allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn't have been able to get out there in the pre internet era where they were kind of you had to go through an academic institution to get a theory heard or debated.

00:50:48.000 Now, anyone can say anything for better or worse, and that can reach millions of people.

00:50:52.000 And then, if it's an idea that's popular, then it can kind of be in the public eye, and then it can be debated properly.

00:50:58.000 I think that's only a good thing.

00:51:00.000 Obviously, there are negative aspects to that.

00:51:02.000 But I think that will increase...

00:51:24.000 it's out there.

00:51:25.000 People can look it up and people can see that this is completely opposed to what we've always been taught regarding prehistory.

00:51:25.000 now.

00:51:31.000 And isn't it kind of arrogant to assume that they know who built it too?

00:51:35.000 That's weird too, because they're basing it on this assumption that human beings didn't exist back then.

00:51:40.000 At least Homo sapiens didn't exist back then, which is also being challenged over and over again.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, the fact that they base it on Hadalbergensis is literally just because we found some Hadalbergensis remains like 200 km away.

00:51:52.000 And they're like, well, okay, well, it's Hadalbergensis.

00:51:55.000 I mean, it could have been, to be fair, but it could have been.

00:51:57.000 But I mean, right now there are people that are living in Africa and 200 km away from them are apes. 1.00

00:52:03.000 So if one day they found structures, you know, in the future, said, oh, these are made by chimpanzees.

00:52:09.000 Yeah.

00:52:09.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:52:10.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

00:52:11.000 I mean, that's the thing about history is it's all based on massive assumptions.

00:52:14.000 It's not like a hard science.

00:52:16.000 It's interpreting evidence.

00:52:17.000 And that's fine.

00:52:18.000 Like, that's how we do it.

00:52:19.000 but that's why I don't...

00:52:22.000 It's the only way to do it.

00:52:23.000 So that's why I don't get why people make these definitive conclusions and then don't allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize about anything else.

00:52:30.000 It's gatekeeping.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 It's gatekeeping.

00:52:33.000 It's academic gatekeeping.

00:52:34.000 It's also these people that have been teaching this one thing forever being threatened by the fact that they were wrong.

00:52:40.000 The last thing in actionademic wants to hear is like you wrote this book this stupid book this book misled people for decades you were so wrong like they will fight it with every ounce of their being because it's essentially their identity their identity is being the gatekeeper of their understanding of human history yeah they built a whole career around it and they've you know as you say it's their identity they've been the knowledge the keeper of knowledge on a particular subject.

00:53:05.000 But it's gross because it's ours.

00:53:07.000 It's the whole planet.

00:53:09.000 It's all the human beings.

00:53:11.000 It's like, do you have a few nerds who you wouldn't want to hang out with in real life?

00:53:15.000 And these are the guys that are telling us we can't explore these.

00:53:19.000 things.

00:53:19.000 And those are the people that are attacking Graham Hancock with every possible insult, calling it the most dangerous show on television.

00:53:28.000 But it's also, it's so revealing because it's so obvious that if you watch this show, you're like, wait, this is the most dangerous show on TV?

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:36.000 Ancient Apocalypse.

00:53:37.000 Like, how is it dangerous?

00:53:39.000 He's like, just talking about these bizarre structures that exist that seem to defy our modern understanding of how things are built.

00:53:48.000 And when I mean, I don't agree with absolutely everything Graham Hancock says, but when I look at, you know, these ideas of, you know, human intelligence.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:57.000 potentially stretching back 500,000 years as displayed by the Colombo structure or permanent living.

00:54:02.000 I would argue that it could go back a lot further than that.

00:54:06.000 When you take into account that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years, when I then look at someone like Graham's work, it seems so plausible.

00:54:16.000 I don't see why it's seen as so outrageous that, because 12,000 years ago, which is kind of when he proposes there could have been a, you know, a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wiped out by a cataclysm, when you look at that from the perspective of, oh yeah, we've been intelligent for half a million years, it doesn't seem very, it doesn't, it seems very plausible to me.

00:54:35.000 Not only that, it's 450,0000 years after the first structure now.

00:54:41.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 But no one's even no one's talking about this.

00:54:44.000 That's what's weird is that no one's talking about that.

00:54:47.000 It's just me.

00:54:48.000 As far as I can tell.

00:54:49.000 It's not just you, it's like those academics as well that found it.

00:54:52.000 To be fair, the guy that found it, the archaeologist that found it, said that he never could have imagined that pre Homo sapien, and again, it may not be pre Homo sapien, it could be Homo sapien, but he said it's completely paradigm shifting that they had the capacity to plan and build something like this.

00:55:07.000 But again, there's no fuss about it.

00:55:10.000 It's just a paper was written and it was put out there, and then it's that's it.

00:55:15.000 Well, these things take time.

00:55:16.000 I guess so.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, I mean more of these conversations and more people have to understand that these things are being discovered and that we are kind of confused about so many things about human history.

00:55:27.000 And we're being told that, no, there's people at the universities that have all the answers and that it's literally not possible that they're telling the truth.

00:55:36.000 It's not possible.

00:55:37.000 And that's why I get so excited about the structures under the pyramid.

00:55:40.000 Because it's a gigantic fuck you.

00:55:44.000 It would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time if they found out that those scans are accurate and there's these pillars that are wrapped in coils that go down like hundreds of meters meters, and then below them there's additional structures and the whole.

00:55:58.000 And they think it's all connected as well.

00:56:00.000 Yes.

00:56:01.000 Which is like, if Christopher Dunn is correct about it being some sort of power plant, and that reveals, like, how the thing worked and functioned.

00:56:10.000 That's way more advanced than us.

00:56:12.000 Like, what is that?

00:56:13.000 In some ways they already are.

00:56:14.000 I mean, we can't explain how they did it even based on a kind of conventional model of history.

00:56:18.000 I know, and we lie.

00:56:20.000 I've talked to so many people.

00:56:22.000 Like when I had Zowie Hawass here, and he's explaining to me.

00:56:24.000 It was the National Project.

00:56:25.000 It was the National Project.

00:56:26.000 Like, oh, that'll fix it.

00:56:28.000 We should make our National Project to breathe underwater and fly through the air.

00:56:32.000 Like we should make that our national project to go to other planets and live there in case Earth gets blown up. 0.68

00:56:38.000 What are you talking about, man?

00:56:39.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:56:41.000 Yeah, they just don't want it.

00:56:42.000 And it does kind of make me worry.

00:56:44.000 Like I don't really delve into the kind of conspiracy side of things, because I mean, I just I try to stay kind of based in Not me.

00:56:51.000 I mean, I do in my own time and stuff.

00:56:51.000 I go right in.

00:56:54.000 I mean, in my own head and stuff.

00:56:55.000 But in terms of like my.

00:56:57.000 Which one do you dive into in your own head the most?

00:57:00.000 I sometimes combine the UFO one with the ancient civilization one.

00:57:03.000 I do too.

00:57:05.000 And I think what happens if, you know, a civilization from a million years ago got so advanced that we can't see them.

00:57:11.000 and then that's what the UFO thing is, is just someone from this earth that doesn't really need the space anymore and they're just watching us.

00:57:17.000 Yeah.

00:57:18.000 Sometimes I think about that.

00:57:18.000 But obviously I don't talk about that in my videos because I don't need to give anyone any more ammunition to send for me.

00:57:23.000 Well, there's also the genetic engineering one.

00:57:26.000 Oh, you mean like that?

00:57:27.000 Yeah, like why humans are so different than everything else in the first place.

00:57:31.000 Like that's weird.

00:57:33.000 The doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is really weird.

00:57:38.000 What does that refer to?

00:57:39.000 Is that from habilis to erectus?

00:57:42.000 What is that?

00:57:43.000 Is that?

00:57:44.000 I don't know.

00:57:45.000 Let's Google it.

00:57:45.000 Because I've heard people say that and I've always thought, I guess that must be from Homo habilis to Homo erectus from just two million years ago.

00:57:53.000 It's an immense leap that is, like Terence McKenna used to say, it would be bizarre if it was a liver of an otter that doubled over a period of that amount of time.

00:58:05.000 But the fact that it's the very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand human existence in the first place, and that that organ doubled over a period of two million years, like, what happened?

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:20.000 Yeah.

00:58:21.000 He's got the wackiest theory, because he thinks it's psilocybin mushrooms.

00:58:24.000 I think there could be something to that.

00:58:26.000 I mean, because, you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances and basically all the way up until Western civil society kind of took hold.

00:58:37.000 It's always been an integral part of human culture and human society.

00:58:41.000 And then us in our modern world have decided to outlaw that.

00:58:44.000 And I think that's a tragic mistake, to be honest with you.

00:58:48.000 It is.

00:58:49.000 And I think history will reveal that.

00:58:51.000 One day.

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.000 And I think that is also one of the good things about discussions that are happening on the internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia.

00:59:02.000 So you can talk about these things.

00:59:04.000 Bigger blank.

00:59:05.000 The Sonyan website says it's actually tripled over the time we've tracked it.

00:59:11.000 A low increase from six to two million, but a larger increase 800 to 200,000 years ago.

00:59:19.000 And then the article goes that's when the aliens landed.

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 So I don't even buy that though because Hadalbergensis have the same cranial capacity as us and they go back 900,000 years.

00:59:30.000 So that's another thing I saw before.

00:59:32.000 But maybe that's Orexus they're talking about.

00:59:34.000 Brains don't fossilize.

00:59:37.000 Deteriorate leaving a cavity inside the brain case.

00:59:40.000 That's part of how they know some of this info.

00:59:42.000 Sometimes sediments will the cavity harm me and natural endocast scientists also make artificial endocasts to study like the ones above.

00:59:50.000 Fascinating.

00:59:53.000 Fascinating.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, we're a weird creature.

00:59:55.000 Well, did you say it was 2017 that they discovered modern humans 300,000 years ago?

01:00:01.000 I think so, yeah.

01:00:02.000 And where was that?

01:00:02.000 It's in Morocco.

01:00:03.000 So that's in Morocco, right.

01:00:05.000 You said that.

01:00:06.000 So imagine if they found something similar in China.

01:00:09.000 Well, that would fuck everything up because of the Africa thing and that would really fuck everything up. 1.00

01:00:14.000 But I mean, it could happen.

01:00:16.000 Well, it wouldn't really even fuck it up.

01:00:17.000 It would just push it back.

01:00:18.000 I guess so, yeah.

01:00:20.000 But we, I mean, we're not even supposed to have left Africa until this time of the cognitive revolution.

01:00:24.000 And that's always been one of the points, like, oh, look, we got smart, we left Africa sixty thousand years ago. 0.69

01:00:30.000 But that's never made sense to me either, because Homo erectus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize lots of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago.

01:00:39.000 And if they're supposedly inferior to us, then how can they make this massive leap?

01:00:44.000 And Heidelbergensis did it six hundred thousand years ago. 0.85

01:00:47.000 And if they're supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this?

01:00:49.000 And so, I mean, I don't know.

01:00:51.000 I try not to delve into the out of Africa thing, because it's, I don't know, it gets a little controversial sometimes.

01:00:56.000 It does.

01:00:57.000 Well, it gets controversial when you bring in aliens too, because aliens become racist.

01:01:01.000 It becomes racist because now you're not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids.

01:01:10.000 Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy that was trying to claim that it wasn't Africans that built the pyramids, that it was white people that built the pyramids.

01:01:19.000 So there are people that have this sort of racist idea of the construction of the pyramids.

01:01:25.000 But you can't attach that to everyone who's speculating about the construction because it's too, the things are too weird.

01:01:32.000 It's too weird.

01:01:34.000 And let's assume that it was Africans that built the pyramids. 0.99

01:01:38.000 But if we are assuming that, like, how were they so much.

01:01:41.000 smarter than everyone living today?

01:01:44.000 How were they so much smarter?

01:01:46.000 Let's say it's 4,500 years ago.

01:01:48.000 How were they so much smarter?

01:01:49.000 What was going on?

01:01:50.000 Like, what happened?

01:01:51.000 Did they get visited by aliens?

01:01:53.000 Did they discover something that allowed their understanding of physics to be just so much greater than anyone else who's ever lived?

01:02:00.000 Like, what did they discover?

01:02:02.000 Like, what were they encountering?

01:02:03.000 What were they consuming?

01:02:05.000 What were they doing?

01:02:08.000 What were they teaching each other?

01:02:10.000 We lost so much in the burning of the Library of Alexandria, right?

01:02:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:15.000 That's, that's, it's quite sad, really, isn't it, Sevillna?

01:02:18.000 to be honest, like there would have been a lot in there.

01:02:20.000 I'm not sure 100% what happened with that.

01:02:22.000 I'm not sure if it was one burning or several burning.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, but clearly a lot was lost.

01:02:26.000 But then the question is, like, what did they even know?

01:02:29.000 Like, what if it's older than that?

01:02:31.000 Like, what if all that stuff, what if, you know, this is one of the things that Zawi Hawass was very reluctant to, he's like, what is this?

01:02:38.000 I was talking about the kings list that goes back 30,000 years.

01:02:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:42.000 What if that's accurate?

01:02:44.000 Yeah, and the Sumerian one does too.

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:46.000 It gets real squirly when you only want to accept some parts of history.

01:02:52.000 And that ties into the Green Sahara thing that I was talking about.

01:02:54.000 Like, yeah.

01:02:55.000 Yeah.

01:02:56.000 they have king lists that go back this far and yeah we say that some of them are myth and to be fair they have kings that reign for like a thousand years which is a bit weird it's a bit weird probably not I mean unless you're talking some kind of alien thing then that probably wasn't human but that might just be because it would have been a long time ago for them too when they were writing these king lists But it doesn't mean that their civilization only started with the first dynasty.

01:03:18.000 What we've decided is the line between myth and fact.

01:03:21.000 Because that's a modern interpretation after the fact.

01:03:24.000 They never made such a distinction.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, and this idea that they lived a thousand years.

01:03:27.000 Well, have you ever read the North Korea's depictions of Kim Jong Un's first day playing golf?

01:03:33.000 Yeah, it's propaganda.

01:03:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:35.000 I mean, he made like nine holes in one.

01:03:36.000 Yeah.

01:03:37.000 He was the greatest golfer of all time.

01:03:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:38.000 Exactly.

01:03:39.000 So it's like you're writing about kings.

01:03:41.000 He lived a thousand years, fire came from his dick.

01:03:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:45.000 Like, what are we talking about?

01:03:46.000 We don't know.

01:03:48.000 We don't know what they were writing.

01:03:49.000 We don't know who wrote it.

01:03:50.000 We don't know how fantastic it was, how much hyperbole was involved.

01:03:55.000 But we do know that we accept the king's list when it comes to around 2500 BC.

01:04:00.000 We start accepting it.

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 But you don't accept this possibility that it might actually go far, far, far earlier than that.

01:04:08.000 And the whole the pyramids thing kind of plays into the fact that stone is one of the only things that survives and pyramids are these massiveive stone constructions.

01:04:18.000 Like, ironically, they would be one of the only things from our, not that they really count as our civilization, but from the modern world, the pyramids would be one of the only things that could survive in a hundred thousand years.

01:04:28.000 So it makes you think, like, how long have they been there?

01:04:30.000 And I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some kind of construction project around the time of 2500 BC.

01:04:38.000 Oh, for sure.

01:04:39.000 Because there are records of them saying they did stuff, but that doesn't mean because they have all these records, but there's no record of how they built it.

01:04:46.000 Well, they also the buildings that they made that were after 2500 BC are dog shit.

01:04:53.000 So much worse.

01:04:54.000 They just immediately forgot how to do it again, straight away.

01:04:57.000 They were trying to copy and they just couldn't do it.

01:04:59.000 They didn't have the math, they didn't have the engineering, the stones are smaller.

01:05:05.000 And no one's claimed they didn't claim credit for the pyramids, which is weird.

01:05:08.000 Yeah.

01:05:09.000 Why would you not claim it?

01:05:10.000 It's all weird, it's all weird.

01:05:14.000 It's the weirdest, right?

01:05:16.000 So it's the one thing that if you're a logical person and you think you know the timeline of history, you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand like how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved, and you see that, you're like, oh, I don't know shit.

01:05:32.000 I don't know shit.

01:05:34.000 Like, how is that statue so big and perfectly symmetrical?

01:05:38.000 How are these just these vases that they don't understand?

01:05:38.000 They're crazy.

01:05:41.000 Oh, is that a replica or is it a 3D?

01:05:44.000 This is a 3D model of a real vase from Egypt.

01:05:48.000 Yeah.

01:05:49.000 They're doing some good work on this, aren't they?

01:05:50.000 People like on the internet.

01:05:52.000 Did Christopher Dunn give this to us?

01:05:55.000 I think he did.

01:05:56.000 It's probably him, yeah.

01:05:58.000 But, you know, Ben from Uncharted X, he's done a lot of work on these things.

01:06:03.000 Like, those just those vases are very bizarre.

01:06:07.000 Very bizarre.

01:06:08.000 And they appear right at the start of the Egyptian dynasties.

01:06:10.000 Yeah.

01:06:11.000 And they forgot to do that as well.

01:06:12.000 We have no idea how they made them.

01:06:14.000 We don't know what tools they used.

01:06:15.000 Anyone that says that they do, you're lying.

01:06:18.000 You really don't know.

01:06:19.000 You can't know.

01:06:20.000 These things are perfectly symmetrical.

01:06:22.000 They weren't turned on a lathe because they have handles.

01:06:27.000 The way they measure them when you look at like the deviation from round and like how it's it's like a thousandth of a human hair.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 And it's made from incredibly hard granite.

01:06:37.000 It's crazy.

01:06:40.000 Yeah.

01:06:41.000 It's the hardest stone to do that with.

01:06:43.000 So what are we talking about?

01:06:45.000 Like who were these people?

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 This is kind of crazy.zy.

01:06:48.000 And then you have the statues that are perfectly symmetrical.

01:06:50.000 Perfectly symmetrical.

01:06:51.000 The faces are just incredible.

01:06:52.000 And massive.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:06:54.000 Huge.

01:06:55.000 Unbelievably huge.

01:06:56.000 So they moved them there and then they carved them perfectly symmetrically.

01:07:00.000 It looks like they're 3D printed.

01:07:02.000 It's so strange.

01:07:04.000 It just screams at a lost technology.

01:07:08.000 It screams that these people had some sort of information and some sort of education that is like on a different path of our.

01:07:18.000 We went the way of the internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics.

01:07:25.000 And they it seems like they wanted went a totally different way, but maybe even further.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 But we're scrambled in like our pathway to advancement is the only one that the human mind and all its infinite creativity can conceive of.

01:07:41.000 And this is another point regarding like, you know, culture that could have flourished back in 100,000 years ago or whatever.

01:07:48.000 We're always looking for ourselves in the past.

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:51.000 But there's so many different ways that we could have gone because why did it have to be mass farming, mass population growth, and then, as you say, kind of industrial progress.

01:08:02.000 It could have been so many different forms of human development and human lives.

01:08:07.000 Well, it could have been if they had enough animals., they mostly ate animals.

01:08:10.000 Yeah, or fish or something.

01:08:12.000 Yeah, mostly ate animals and fish, which is probably healthier for you anyway.

01:08:16.000 You know, really what grain is is survival food.

01:08:19.000 Yeah, we all got like shorter and less healthy when that happened.

01:08:23.000 Yeah, because we didn't get the right amount of protein.

01:08:25.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 our jaws like shrunk because people were eating gruel.

01:08:29.000 Like if you look at part of the world where people are eating a lot of like pork You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence and then you eat them.

01:08:57.000 And you don't really have to grow rice.

01:09:01.000 So many different ways that culture could have flourished.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 And yeah, we're always looking for it.

01:09:05.000 And we just don't know where to look as well in the record.

01:09:08.000 Like one point people always make in like my comments and stuff to try and debunk me is like, oh, we would see pollution.

01:09:14.000 We would see kind of lead signals in the atmosphere or whatever if there was like a big civilization 100,000 years ago.

01:09:21.000 But that's only the case if it was someone on the scale of us now.

01:09:26.000 Because they were doing it the way we're doing it.

01:09:29.000 That's the thing.

01:09:30.000 We're talking about a completely different pathway.

01:09:33.000 Clearly, there's some technology that they had that we don't understand.

01:09:37.000 When you talk about the drill holes that they find or the way they had carved out these enormous mass We don't know the unfinished obelisk.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

01:09:53.000 The unfinished obelisk, that's bananas.

01:09:56.000 So many of these things that they cut out of the ground and absolutely moved are bananas.

01:10:01.000 So it's like, what kind of.

01:10:03.000 technology?

01:10:03.000 Why are we assuming that it's going to be some internal combustion engine that spreads out terrible pollution?

01:10:10.000 What if they had figured something out?

01:10:12.000 I would say it's entirely possible.

01:10:15.000 It's entirely possible because we're going to eventually.

01:10:17.000 If you give us another thousand years, you won't be able to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for technology today, especially when AI gets involved.

01:10:29.000 Did you see that thing where a quantum computer supposedly went one second back in time?

01:10:34.000 I did.

01:10:35.000 I was reading that.

01:10:36.000 Is that bullshit?

01:10:36.000 No, they discovered it six years ago though.

01:10:40.000 It's not new.

01:10:41.000 What?

01:10:41.000 Six years ago, well, still, that's our story for 2019.

01:10:45.000 But still.

01:10:46.000 It went back in time.

01:10:47.000 Yeah, by one second and some way in quantum.

01:10:51.000 What does that even mean?

01:10:52.000 Exactly.

01:10:53.000 I don't know.

01:10:54.000 Exactly.

01:10:54.000 That's math.

01:10:55.000 But that's us.

01:10:56.000 Now imagine that technology that was science fiction 20 years ago, right?

01:11:02.000 Go back to like the movie Alien and look at their stupid computers that they had.

01:11:06.000 That's what they thought people were going to have when they were starfaring people.

01:11:10.000 Now think of this quantum computer experiment where it goes back in time one second and then go forward 1000 years.

01:11:20.000 We're talking about 4,500 years ago.

01:11:22.000 We might be off by 1,000.

01:11:24.000 So go to 5,500 years ago.

01:11:26.000 6,000.

01:11:27.000 If you're listening to John Anthony West, he thinks it's 34,000 years.

01:11:34.000 That's what he thinks.

01:11:35.000 And that sounds so crazy, but then you look at the length of time we've been around and it's still quite recent.

01:11:41.000 Yeah, it's still quite recent.

01:11:42.000 And that lines up with the Sphinx, doesn't it?

01:11:44.000 With the kind of that's the processional cycle.

01:11:49.000 How much evidence of a quantum computer from 34,000 years ago would be left?

01:11:53.000 Right.

01:11:54.000 So if we did get pelted by comets, which.

01:11:59.000 That's a fact.

01:12:01.000 I saw an estimate, I think it was from NASA, but I'm not one hundred percent sure, but it was from a kind of scientific journal that the Earth is hit by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every 100,000 years.

01:12:13.000 So that's an impact that's capable of wiping out a third of today's population every 100,000 years.

01:12:18.000 And 100,000 years sounds like a long time, but again, we've been around for 300,000 years.

01:12:23.000 So theoretically, we've been hit by a cataclysmic impact three times already during our story.

01:12:28.000 And that both has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean.

01:12:35.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 And that's not the only thing.

01:12:37.000 You've got supervolcanoes, as we talked about.

01:12:40.000 You've got pole shifts, you've got solar flares, you've got glaciers just scraping across the landscape and just completely erasing the record.

01:12:47.000 You've got sea level rise.

01:12:49.000 Sea level rise is a massive one because, I mean, where have we always lived?

01:12:53.000 By the coasts.

01:12:54.000 And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of sea level rise over the last 100,000 years, 200,000 years, 300,000 years, sea levels going in and out by hundreds of kilometers at a time, and nothing is going to be left.

01:13:06.000 Right.

01:13:07.000 Wild stuff.

01:13:08.000 I know, it's crazy.

01:13:09.000 It is wild stuff.

01:13:10.000 But again, if someone is a historian and they got into this.

01:13:16.000 Someone's an archaeologist and they got into this because they have this fascination for it.

01:13:20.000 For them to become professors and then start teaching and writing books about this stuff and not still be fascinated by the new stuff is to me so weird.

01:13:34.000 It's like you missed the whole reason why you got into this in the first place.

01:13:38.000 You got into this in the first place is because you're trying to figure out what happened?

01:13:44.000 How did we get to this point?

01:13:45.000 And if there's evidence that shows that we don't have the full picture and you're ignoring that or dismissing that or.

01:13:53.000 The thing is, when you go through these kind of systems and I'm I've sort of got experience of this.

01:13:58.000 Obviously, I was never a professional academic or anything like that.

01:14:01.000 But, you know, I did history for four years.

01:14:04.000 I was kind of inside and I got to the point where it was almost, you know, it was do this as a career, become a professional academic or not.

01:14:10.000 It's very hard to kind of even think this way because everyone around you is thinking within these boxes that we've created for ourselves.

01:14:17.000 And so it's very hard to kind of open your mind.

01:14:20.000 And you kind of have to do it in private as well, because no one else is talking in those terms around you.

01:14:26.000 And you're surrounded by people that think in quite limited terms.

01:14:30.000 And I don't say that to kind of be offensive or, you know, doubt anyone's intelligence.

01:14:33.000 Exactly.

01:14:34.000 It's the culture.

01:14:35.000 And it means that no one is.

01:14:36.000 It's very hard to think outside the box when you're kind of in that culture.

01:14:40.000 And I think that's kind of what creates these, you know, rigid systems of thought.

01:14:45.000 It's also kind of fear based because it's not just discouraged.

01:14:49.000 They'll attack you.

01:14:50.000 I mean, they attack each other even when they are within the box.

01:14:53.000 Viciously.

01:15:15.000 years ago.

01:15:15.000 And that was the established timeline of the Clovis people.

01:15:19.000 And then when they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, and they hated that as well.

01:15:25.000 They hated that.

01:15:26.000 Of course they hated it.

01:15:27.000 But they hated it just because they were wrong.

01:15:30.000 It's all it is, man.

01:15:31.000 It's human ego.

01:15:32.000 It's so gross.

01:15:33.000 And this brings me back to psychedelics.

01:15:35.000 Because what do psychedelics do that's most important?

01:15:38.000 Well, the dissolving of the ego.

01:15:40.000 It's one of the most important aspects of it.

01:15:43.000 It makes you realize the folly of your ways.

01:15:45.000 You know, and all of these people that are supposed to be the academics, they're supposed to be the enlightened ones.

01:15:52.000 They're not enlightened.

01:15:54.000 They're just, they have information and they hold that information as it's their identity.

01:15:59.000 And they're right about a lot of things because they have been studying it and they do deserve credit for that.

01:16:05.000 What they've done is amazing and the understanding that these academics, these archeologists and historians can give us of our world and our history is really cool.

01:16:14.000 It's really awesome.

01:16:16.000 But there's a whole lot more out there.

01:16:19.000 And for them to pretend and dismiss people like they should embrace people like Graham Hancock and then they should correct him when he's saying something that is wrong.

01:16:27.000 Yeah.

01:16:27.000 But instead of lying and then calling them a racist and saying all these terrible things about them.

01:16:32.000 Well, that just shows me that you don't really have an argument and you're trying to protect your identity.

01:16:37.000 Your identity is the gatekeeper of this information that is not yours to gatekeep.

01:16:43.000 It's for the whole human race to understand what the hell happened.

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 And I wish that, you know, we've seen a surge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and, you know, the story of our species through people like Graham Hancock, who have kind of created a massive interest in this subject, but instead of embracing that, they see it as a threatat and I think that's really sad, to be honest.

01:17:11.000 And yeah, I think it kind of hurts the discipline in general because if you kind of like embrace that and like brought him in to the table and spoke to him and kind of agreed to have the discussion, then it would create a much kind of more healthy debate around these things.

01:17:27.000 And when you talk about the Clovis kind of narrative, it because we think that we know what happened and thus we know what didn't happen, it means that people aren't even looking for stuff that now we know was there.

01:17:41.000 So like they didn't dig deeper than the Clovis layer until very recently., because they knew that humans weren't around until Clovis, but obviously that was wrong.

01:17:52.000 So they could have missed so much stuff and they probably did.

01:17:54.000 I mean, have you seen that?

01:17:55.000 There's like a, to be fair, I think Graham mentioned it on the show, the Sarui Mastodon site, which is like 130,000 years ago in America.

01:18:03.000 I mean, if that's human, which it kind of looks like it is.

01:18:07.000 That's debatable though, right?

01:18:08.000 Isn't that debatable?

01:18:09.000 Because the way the bones are broken, it could have been from some sort of an accident or an avalanche or something, right?

01:18:15.000 Yeah, it is debatable.

01:18:16.000 But it's also, it could be human.

01:18:17.000 Like, it could easily be human.

01:18:19.000 Because it kind of looks like human markings on bones.

01:18:21.000 I mean, so it looks like scrapings, like they're scraping the marrow out of the bones.

01:18:24.000 I mean, the marrow out of the bones.

01:18:25.000 Yes.

01:18:25.000 Exactly.

01:18:26.000 Or some kind of primitive.

01:18:29.000 But why couldn't it have been human?

01:18:30.000 I mean, it didn't necessarily have to be Homo sapiens, but why couldn't another human species have got to the Americas?

01:18:36.000 Well, it seems like they certainly could have if they were here 22,000 years ago.

01:18:40.000 Like, why exactly.

01:18:41.000 What was that time, why did they figure it out then?

01:18:44.000 And how did they do it, right?

01:18:46.000 That's the question, how did they do it?

01:18:47.000 And we know that people were seafaring from what was the earliest seafarers?

01:18:53.000 You could argue that Homo erectus seafared 800,000 years ago, which is just mental.

01:18:57.000 Could you really?

01:18:58.000 Well, they reached places that were isolated, and some people say, you know, they kind of floated there accidentally.

01:19:04.000 Which is possible, but it seems a bit weird that you'd then like survive and colonize a place.

01:19:08.000 See, that's where it gets so squirrely.

01:19:09.000 If Homo Erectus made a boat, that's bananas.

01:19:12.000 I mean, Neanderthals were definitely making boats, and this points to how intelligent they were. 0.93

01:19:16.000 They were making sophisticated boats and sailing across the Mediterranean and colonizing places like Crete well over 100,000 years ago.

01:19:22.000 Well, we know that the North Sentinel people, they arrived by boat from Africa 60,000 years ago.

01:19:27.000 Yeah.

01:19:28.000 And so at least then people were seafaring.

01:19:31.000 Oh, definitely.

01:19:32.000 And probably way earlier than that.

01:19:34.000 So why would we assume they wouldn't get to the Americas?

01:19:37.000 That seems crazy.

01:19:38.000 I mean, bigger journey, to be fair, but then I guess if you.

01:19:40.000 go across the top.

01:19:41.000 Oh, you're doing it.

01:19:42.000 Exactly.

01:19:43.000 If you go across the top and kind of hop down along the coast, then not so hard.

01:19:46.000 Well, when also there's a problem, it's like if you go back 12,000 years ago, Canada's covered in ice.

01:19:53.000 There's nothing there.

01:19:54.000 It's literally all ice.

01:19:55.000 So where are they coming from?

01:19:57.000 They have to be coming from the south. 0.99

01:19:59.000 I guess.

01:20:00.000 I mean, there's the kind of theory regarding the Polynesian kind of island chain, hopping across to Easter Island and then making one last hop across to South America.

01:20:10.000 Oh, that's a crazy hop.

01:20:12.000 Going the other way.

01:20:13.000 It is a crazy hop.

01:20:14.000 The people have always done crazy.

01:20:14.000 It is a crazy hop.

01:20:16.000 Just the fact that they did it in the 1400s is banana.

01:20:18.000 It was bananas.

01:20:18.000 It's pretty crazy.

01:20:18.000 It was pretty crazy.

01:20:19.000 And they did that with tech that was, you know, no tech.

01:20:22.000 They just did it with the stars.

01:20:24.000 And wood.

01:20:24.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.000 But then you get to what, how do you say that ancient Greek symbol, that ancient Greek mechanism that they found?

01:20:31.000 Oh, the Antikythera mechanism.

01:20:33.000 I never could say that.

01:20:34.000 Antikythera.

01:20:35.000 I'll try.

01:20:36.000 I'll try to remember.

01:20:37.000 Antikythera.

01:20:38.000 But I always forget it.

01:20:40.000 But that thing is bananas. 1.00

01:20:41.000 Like that when they first found it, it just looked like a hunk of shit.

01:20:46.000 Like, what is this?

01:20:47.000 And then when they got a better understanding, I think it was like a long time after they discovered it that they go, oh wait a minute, these are gears.

01:20:54.000 Like, what it?

01:20:54.000 So how can you see it basically?

01:20:56.000 2000 year old computer.

01:20:58.000 Yeah.

01:20:59.000 At least he and also that's not the first one.

01:21:01.000 Like no one just someone didn't just develop that and was like, here you go.

01:21:03.000 Right.

01:21:04.000 You fucking made a computer.

01:21:05.000 Like it was clearly like a long history of very, very technical stuff in ancient Greece.

01:21:10.000 And it could well have been the ancient Greeks, but also it could have been like, well, where did you kind of, where's the, what's the history of this technology?

01:21:15.000 And more technical than, like, this modern automatic watch.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 You know, modern automatic watch, if you look at the inside of them, it's crazy.

01:21:23.000 There's springs and gears, and it's all within, like, this Saiko is like within, I think it's a couple seconds a day.

01:21:31.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:21:31.000 Yeah.

01:21:33.000 And it's all these little, and it moves, it has no power source other than the movement of your hand.

01:21:38.000 hand yeah and then no that's because they're 72 hour power reserve so for 72 hours you let it sit there just from the power of your hand from wearing it for a few yeah yeah yeah that's a cool watch nuts isn't that nuts but that's normal that's a normal thing for a modern watch with these little tiny gears this thing's way crazier than yeah yeah and it's 2,000 old.

01:21:38.000 Yeah.

01:22:00.000 At least.

01:22:00.000 What do they think it was for?

01:22:03.000 I think they thought it kind of like tracked the lunar cycles and the kind of elliptical movements of...

01:22:09.000 I'm not sure.

01:22:09.000 Have you See if you can find that because it's.

01:22:17.000 that, that's the most eye opening of it.

01:22:19.000 Because you're bringing this back to the time of Christ.

01:22:23.000 And someone made a computer during the time of Christ.

01:22:26.000 Like, okay, what are we missing?

01:22:28.000 Like, Graham's quote is the best.

01:22:31.000 I love this quote.

01:22:32.000 We are a species with amnesia.

01:22:34.000 100%.

01:22:35.000 100%.

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 And there's another quote that I really love.

01:22:38.000 Things just keep getting older.

01:22:39.000 And things do keep getting older.

01:22:40.000 They keep getting older.

01:22:41.000 Yeah.

01:22:42.000 And this is something that people resist for some strange reason.

01:22:46.000 And I don't understand it.

01:22:48.000 I think it's just because it's attached to these folks like Graham.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, that's the one.

01:22:52.000 Look at it.

01:22:52.000 That's what it used to look like.

01:22:57.000 This is a modern reproduction of it.

01:22:59.000 Oh, right.

01:23:00.000 But that is what it used to look like, right?

01:23:02.000 That's off of that.

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:06.000 So, show me the modern reproduction of what it looked like.

01:23:10.000 Just imagine.

01:23:12.000 Okay, someone 2,000 fucking years ago figured that out, and they have these little representations of the stars and the planets, of the sun, and then all the planets surround it.

01:23:22.000 Like, first of all, how do they know all that?

01:23:24.000 How are they seeing these planets?

01:23:27.000 Like, do they have a telescope?

01:23:29.000 Like, what are they – how do they know how many planets are in our solar system?

01:23:34.000 What did you base this on?

01:23:37.000 And no equivalent technology ever, like, re-emerged until, like, you know, like, the 16th century with, like, Swiss clockmakers or something.

01:23:44.000 Right.

01:23:44.000 So it just makes you wonder, like, how old is that, and what's that from?

01:23:49.000 What were the, you know, was there other stuff like this that we never find?

01:23:54.000 When I googled, uh, Percy Fairs.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, I think that's the, uh.

01:24:04.000 I think that's the Homo erectus thing.

01:24:06.000 I Googled it and crossing the Aegean Sea, it says they might have been doing...

01:24:16.000 But that is I don't know what evidence.

01:24:18.000 That is a crazy thing to read.

01:24:20.000 Some evidence suggests that man may have crossed the sea as early as 700,000 years ago.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:26.000 Aren't you happy you're born today?

01:24:28.000 Imagine trying to gut it out, tough it out.

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 Take the boys and go and cross across some fucking sea in a wooden raft.

01:24:35.000 Yeah.

01:24:35.000 And you want to have eaten your friend because there's no food left.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:40.000 It's kind of amazing that we got as far as we did.

01:24:42.000 But it's really amazing when they find things like that.

01:24:46.000 Is the Antikytherum mechanism I said it right?

01:24:48.000 He did.

01:24:48.000 He nailed it.

01:24:49.000 I'll try to remember.

01:24:51.000 But just the fact that we found one of those, and it makes you wonder, like, what, what they had in Egypt?

01:24:58.000 You know, what they had two thousand years before that?

01:25:00.000 What did they, you know, what did we miss?

01:25:02.000 I'm digging into the stone stuff where you're talking about frequencies.

01:25:04.000 There's a I saw a video recently that doesn't explain all the Egyptian stuff, but there were frequencies coming out of these rocks that I don't think everyone is currently, like, studying.

01:25:17.000 People have studied it.

01:25:18.000 People have studied it.

01:25:25.000 That's very basic, but like there's the king's chamber and the reverberations that happen.

01:25:31.000 I was reading from Archimedes, I think, this quote here.

01:25:37.000 When the priests sing the hymns of the gods, they sing the seven vowels in due succession.

01:25:43.000 The sound of these vowels has such euphony, I think that's that word, that men listen to it instead of the flute and the lyre, the lyre.

01:25:50.000 So from 200 or 200 BC.

01:25:53.000 There's like so many ancient sites that are all built with kind of acoustic resonance in mind.

01:25:58.000 So that's what I was getting into this.

01:25:58.000 Yeah.

01:25:59.000 I was trying to find the proof of it.

01:26:01.000 Someone made a video I saw recently where this semantic stuff shows up all over the place in some ancient sites, definitely obviously in churches and cathedrals.

01:26:11.000 But this is what happens when you put sand on a plate and hum on it or put certain vibrations, yeah.

01:26:18.000 And how you stumble across this and it just so happens to be the same thing we're like, we're discovering now.

01:26:28.000 What is that image of?

01:26:29.000 What is that golden?

01:26:30.000 This?

01:26:31.000 Yeah, what's that?

01:26:32.000 It's a cathedral.

01:26:34.000 I looked at it a second ago.

01:26:35.000 Is that in Canada?

01:26:36.000 No, the article is from Spain.

01:26:39.000 It's in Spain.

01:26:40.000 Whoa.

01:26:46.000 That is wild.

01:26:47.000 Okay.

01:26:49.000 I was looking into the oldest doors people found.

01:26:51.000 The oldest doors only like 5000 BC and it was found in Switzerland somewhere.

01:26:56.000 Huh.

01:26:57.000 There's an act, the oldest act of doors in the UK.

01:27:00.000 It's from 900 AD, I think.

01:27:02.000 What are those images of sacred geometry from?

01:27:05.000 And that right there, Leonardo da Vinci's original drawing of the flower of life.

01:27:09.000 What, Da Vinci?

01:27:11.000 What drugs are you taking, son?

01:27:15.000 How is he seeing that?

01:27:18.000 Yeah, well, that's ancient imagery, right?

01:27:20.000 That's sacred geometry.

01:27:23.000 Those depictions have been around for ever.ever.

01:27:26.000 He was a crazy dude, Da Vinci, in a good way.

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 Smart guy.

01:27:30.000 Bizarrely smart.

01:27:32.000 It's weird when you have these outliers, these outliers that come out of nowhere, and like he had like a working model of a flying machine.

01:27:41.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.000 And he had like three jobs.

01:27:45.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 And he was an amazing artist.

01:27:46.000 Crazy guy.

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:48.000 It's kind of, you know, these outliers that just how many of them we never heard of?

01:27:54.000 How many of them were from 30,000 years ago?

01:27:56.000 How many?

01:27:57.000 Just we have such a limited understanding of our history.

01:28:02.000 And I always think, like, if something happened to us right now, what would really be left?

01:28:08.000 The real problem is everything is either on paper, and there's not a lot of it on paper anymore.

01:28:14.000 It's on hard drives.

01:28:16.000 And those things would get cooked.

01:28:18.000 If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power grid and destroyed all of our cell phone towers and all our satellites, no more electricity.

01:28:30.000 And even if it didn't get cooked, what would you do with it in 100,000 years?

01:28:35.000 Exactly.

01:28:35.000 If you found that, you wouldn't know what that was.

01:28:36.000 You wouldn't know what that was.

01:28:38.000 You would have to devise a new version of Windows to read it.

01:28:43.000 You know, it would take so long and it would probably have been corroded and wasted away.

01:28:47.000 It wouldn't be recognized.

01:28:49.000 Long before that.

01:28:50.000 Especially if something happened, it was underwater, especially if, you know, the entire world is on fire because we get hit with a comet.

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 Like there wouldn't be much left.

01:29:02.000 And this is like a really shitty way to store information.

01:29:05.000 It's a bit, it does feel like a bit of a risk, doesn't it?

01:29:07.000 It's a giant risk.

01:29:09.000 Everything we've ever learned and, you know, discovered and thought about is.

01:29:14.000 Well, you know what happens when your phone dies and you don't have a backup phone?

01:29:17.000 You're like, oh no, I don't know any anyone's number.

01:29:19.000 And we do that with our entire civilization's knowledge.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:23.000 And so then you would have just stories and myths of what things used to be like.

01:29:28.000 There was an all female flight crew at Delta. 0.75

01:29:30.000 You're like, what?

01:29:31.000 What are you talking about?

01:29:32.000 What does that even mean?

01:29:33.000 You know, oh, they had satellites.

01:29:35.000 What are you talking about?

01:29:36.000 Like, what is the thing is, like, I wonder how many of the satellites would still be in orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they would come crashing down to Earth.

01:29:44.000 I think they would decay like relatively quickly, I think.

01:29:48.000 I mean, I'm not sure, but lots of them would, I think.

01:29:50.000 And when we're talking big time scales.

01:29:52.000 Yeah, let's think, let's Google that.

01:29:54.000 How many satellites that are in orbit today.

01:29:56.000 See if put this into AI.

01:29:59.000 How many satellites that are in orbit around the Earth today will be there in 100,000 years?

01:30:11.000 Does perplexity have an answer for that?

01:30:17.000 I think it's unlikely that anyone else was doing like space travel and stuff.

01:30:21.000 Unlikely.

01:30:21.000 Yeah.

01:30:22.000 Maybe not possible.

01:30:23.000 I don't think there's anything on the moon, for example.

01:30:25.000 I think we'd probably see that.

01:30:27.000 Yeah, that's the weird one, right?

01:30:28.000 There's bases on the dark side of the moon and they're watching us.

01:30:33.000 Are you sure?

01:30:35.000 I don't think so.

01:30:36.000 You know, well then there's the weirdestness of the moon itself, that it's the absolute perfect size and the perfect distance to completely block out the sun.

01:30:45.000 That is weird, isn't it?

01:30:47.000 Real.

01:30:47.000 It's weird.

01:30:49.000 It's real weird because it's not kind of right.

01:30:52.000 It's perfect.

01:30:53.000 It's very precise, yeah.

01:30:54.000 It's very precise.

01:30:56.000 So you would need the precise size and the precise distance.

01:31:00.000 That is weird.

01:31:01.000 And there's also the fact that it stabilizes our atmosphere.

01:31:04.000 It stabilizes our environment.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, I guess the argument for that is we wouldn't be here if it wasn't.

01:31:09.000 If it wasn't the exact right.

01:31:10.000 This is the best answer I could say.

01:31:12.000 You might have to read the whole thing, but there's thousands of satellites burning up each year in the atmosphere is what I got to the end of.

01:31:19.000 Oh, so thousands of them crashed down?

01:31:20.000 For sure.

01:31:22.000 I mean, they...

01:31:25.000 That's why I was trying to track that down.

01:31:27.000 The first one only lasted three months.

01:31:29.000 So Sputnik won the Soviet Union in 1957.

01:31:32.000 Three months later, it fell out of orbit.

01:31:34.000 It seems like they worked up to about a 25-year rule where they only expect it to last that long.

01:31:39.000 Wow.

01:31:40.000 It's not going to crash down.

01:31:41.000 So in 25 years, there's nothing left.

01:31:45.000 But I was trying to google how long would till the last one if they stop putting them up how long until the last one crashes down it seems like 25 years that's why then I couldn't get a good answer that way.

01:31:56.000 Did you put it into AI?

01:31:58.000 I didn't, because I don't want to.

01:32:03.000 I don't like asking questions you don't know the answer to to AI.

01:32:07.000 I don't like asking questions I know the answer to to see.

01:32:09.000 Well, I just like to see how it thinks.

01:32:11.000 I like to see if it's going to just bullshit you and lie to you, or if it's going to.

01:32:15.000 That's why I want to know when it's bullshitting me.

01:32:17.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 I don't like knowing when it doesn't.

01:32:20.000 Because you just have to trust it.

01:32:23.000 Well, it's also basing all its information on websites.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, and I don't know what year it was trained on.

01:32:28.000 I was watching people talk about sports cards.

01:32:29.000 They're like, it's not updated in the last three years.

01:32:31.000 So you don't even., you can't use this data.

01:32:33.000 It's not good data.

01:32:34.000 Oh, really?

01:32:35.000 Which one was that?

01:32:36.000 I don't know which one they were talking about.

01:32:39.000 There's so many AI opportunities out there.

01:32:43.000 It's funny watching people on Twitter use Grock and try to get Grock to say things it doesn't want to say.

01:32:48.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 And you realize, oh, there's an information blockade of what Grock is allowed to talk about.

01:32:56.000 The thing is, you can just make it, you can kind of trick AI to say whatever you want it to say.

01:33:00.000 Yeah, I've seen people do that.

01:33:02.000 Like trick it into saying, like, how would you make a bomb?

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 And that's almost the bad thing about it is you can, it kind of becomes your own little echo chamber after a while if you, if you want it.

01:33:11.000 to, if you can convince it to.

01:33:13.000 Well, we've done a really terrible job of taking care of most people.

01:33:16.000 And when then you give these people access to the kind of power that AI provides them, they're going to ask naughty questions.

01:33:24.000 Yeah.

01:33:24.000 Because they, you know, it's great fun though.

01:33:26.000 They're not living in harmony.

01:33:28.000 Because we, uh, we're a selfish being.

01:33:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:32.000 We're a selfish creature.

01:33:34.000 It's a crazy thing though, the kind of advent of large language models and artificial intelligence, and it's mad.

01:33:40.000 Well, it's also we're in the middle of it.

01:33:43.000 It's happening right now, which is real weird.

01:33:46.000 So like in our lifetimes, we're potentially witnessing the biggest change to civilization since the pyramids.

01:33:52.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 Even in my lifetime, like I was born in 1997, didn't really have, I had to dial up the internet.

01:34:01.000 I remember when I was a kid and then, you know, smartphones came along and then obviously things like AI and it's just, it is, it is pretty ridiculous.

01:34:10.000 I was 27 years old before I ever got online.

01:34:14.000 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 That was when I first got a computer and I got on AOL.

01:34:19.000 You've got mail.

01:34:19.000 It's like, I've got mail.

01:34:21.000 This is crazy.

01:34:22.000 Yeah.

01:34:23.000 You know, and you could go to chat rooms and read about stuff and you could download information.

01:34:29.000 So I'd print stuff about UFOs and like, this is the future.

01:34:34.000 I'm living in the future.

01:34:36.000 And we're very fortunate, I think, that we got to see what life was like with a primitive use of the internet to what it's become now to a quantum computer can go back a second in time to, you know, what is coming next.

01:34:49.000 We don't know.

01:34:50.000 What's really weird is imagine if this has been done before.

01:34:53.000 We're assuming that it hasn't.

01:34:56.000 But imagine if...

01:35:02.000 It kind of makes sense.

01:35:04.000 I mean, it sounds preposterous that they did, but why?

01:35:09.000 Why if we can do it?

01:35:10.000 Why if we can do it?

01:35:12.000 Maybe it's just a thing if you leave humans undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food, they start figuring things out.

01:35:20.000 If you can keep them from killing each other, and maybe that's the beautiful thing about the way Egyptian technology had advanced, they didn't split the atom. 0.97

01:35:29.000 Maybe they figured out something else that they couldn't turn into a weapon.

01:35:33.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 I mean, they were definitely doing some pretty mad stuff.

01:35:37.000 And then if you look at those kind of granite boxes they made, the completely smooth surface, I mean, they clearly had some form of technology that we don't attribute to them.

01:35:47.000 I think that's undisputed.

01:35:48.000 I mean, it is disputed, but I don't think I don't see how you can logically kind of look at what they were doing and not think they had some kind of technology that, you know, we don't traditionally attribute them to.

01:35:58.000 But whether that means they were like some crazy advanced civilization or it was built by some other advanced civilization, you know, that's, you know, a bit more hypothetical, but they were clearly doing stuff that we can't appreciate today.

01:36:08.000 So that logically suggests they had, you know, something that we don't understand, right?

01:36:12.000 Right.

01:36:12.000 And when you find Antiquity from 2000 years ago, it makes you just really think, like, okay, what did they have?

01:36:21.000 Well, ancient Greece was very inspired by ancient Egypt.

01:36:23.000 So, I mean, that could have well have come from there.

01:36:26.000 Exactly.

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:28.000 And we, you know, we're just guessing.

01:36:31.000 We're just lost in guessing.

01:36:33.000 That's the thing.

01:36:34.000 It's all about interpretation, isn't it?

01:36:36.000 All of history is about interpretation.

01:36:37.000 It's not a hard science like, you know, physics.

01:36:40.000 I mean, physics is kind of crazy too.

01:36:42.000 It hurts my head, man.

01:36:44.000 That's too much for me, all that quantum physics stuff.

01:36:46.000 But have you ever heard of the Silurian hypothesis?

01:36:48.000 No.

01:36:49.000 Maybe I have.

01:36:50.000 What is it?

01:36:51.000 It's kind of linked to this, it's linked to this, you know, ancient civilization stuff.

01:36:56.000 It's the idea that there could have been an advanced civilization on our planet, you know, 100 million years ago, a nonhuman one.

01:37:02.000 one that you know was uh advanced and industrial and we just wouldn't see any trace because of how long ago it was and they could have been here and you know we just wouldn't know because it's been so long it's kind of like where I come from with my kind of human idea of obviously it's a further uh time span but it's been it was proposed by two physicists is why I uh why I just thought of it just then it's a guy called Adam Frank and uh I've had him at Adam on before.

01:37:30.000 You've had him on?

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 Adam Frank.

01:37:32.000 There you go.

01:37:32.000 I mean, didn't he mind?

01:37:34.000 We had him on, Jamie.

01:37:36.000 Didn't we?

01:37:37.000 Let me see.

01:37:38.000 You can see what's going on.

01:37:39.000 That's a problem that happens all the time.

01:37:41.000 We're like, yeah, we've had them on.

01:37:42.000 I know we have.

01:37:44.000 I knew we had.

01:37:45.000 There you go.

01:37:46.000 You just wanted to check because I have been wrong before where we talked about a guy.

01:37:49.000 I'm like, who's that guy?

01:37:50.000 And then I talked to him for three hours.

01:37:54.000 Yeah, it's happened before.

01:37:56.000 But so this idea is that something else other than human beings.

01:38:02.000 It's just the idea that if it had, we wouldn't know.

01:38:04.000 And because the Earth's been around for so long and complex multicellular life appeared, you know, relatively early in our like four billion year history of the Earth or whatever, I'm not sure on the dates, but we've been around, the Earth has been around for so, so, so long.

01:38:18.000 And we know that intelligence can emerge because it emerged with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at the kind of massive time scale that the Earth has been around and how long multicellular life has been around.

01:38:31.000 So their idea is kind of like, well, what if, you know, a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs had, you know, become very advanced and industrial society?

01:38:41.000 And they say we would see absolutely no evidence.

01:38:45.000 When I'm talking about human civilization, we would see some potential evidence, like, you know, rock, carved stone or whatever.

01:38:51.000 But they would say you wouldn't even see the nuclear waste deposits because it's that long ago that nothing would survive.

01:38:56.000 And then I think about that and I think, well, isn't it almost more likely that something did happen considering we know that intelligence can emerge relatively quickly?

01:39:04.000 Multicellular life has been on the planet for so so so so so so long.

01:39:08.000 Limited understanding of the fossil record.

01:39:10.000 Exactly.

01:39:11.000 Why couldn't something have happened before?

01:39:13.000 And then you start getting a bit stoner about it and you start thinking, well, maybe they're still here I like to go into dimensional.

01:39:21.000 Because I think like, well, if you do have these quantum computers that can go back one second in time and you...

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 Like what do they cease to do these beings cease to exist in this dimension?

01:39:38.000 Do they develop the ability to be transdimensional?

01:39:42.000 Do they no longer exist in our space and time?

01:39:46.000 Is that like the emergence of this new life form and then they observe us?

01:39:50.000 Is that what's going on?

01:39:51.000 Well, I feel like if you kind of survive, you know, a lot longer than we have and you kind of get to a different, like, kind of level of intelligence, then why would you need the kind of physical body?

01:40:01.000 Why would you need the physical realm?

01:40:02.000 And why couldn't you kind of diverge different dimensions if such a thing is possible like we certainly can imagine it taking place somewhere else on another planet with a similar atmosphere that supports life and a given maybe they live in a solar system that doesn't have an asteroid belt.

01:40:20.000 Yeah.

01:40:21.000 Because there's, I'm sure they must exist.

01:40:21.000 Right?

01:40:24.000 They're not getting pelted all the time.

01:40:25.000 We're just in a shitty neighborhood.

01:40:27.000 We're basically in a neighborhood that gets shot up all the time.

01:40:31.000 A shooting gallery, yeah.

01:40:32.000 Yeah, it's a shooting gallery.

01:40:34.000 And imagine them achieving where we are at, but then plus a million years.

01:40:40.000 And you can go, oh yeah, well, I guess all bets are off in terms of what's possible.

01:40:45.000 You know, a hundred years ago, people were freaking out if they saw a car.

01:40:50.000 Now we're sending video from a tiny little screen on your phone.

01:40:55.000 Across the world.

01:40:56.000 Instantaneously.

01:40:57.000 It's all nuts.

01:40:59.000 And we don't even blink at that.

01:41:00.000 You get pissed off if it doesn't work.

01:41:02.000 You're like, what the fuck are I talking to this guy in Australia?

01:41:04.000 And instantly, like, why is my phone not working?

01:41:06.000 And, you know, people are addicted to staring at it.

01:41:09.000 It's like it's pulling you into its gravity.

01:41:13.000 It's all very, very weird stuff.

01:41:15.000 Yeah, we adjust very quickly to...

01:41:18.000 Real quick.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, how technology develops.

01:41:20.000 it's just getting faster and faster and faster it makes you think where will we be in a hundred years in five hundred years if nothing happens yeah where will we be um i think we'll be somewhere really weird.

01:41:34.000 But I'm hoping that as we do advance and wherever we're going to be, it'll help us understand where we came from.

01:41:42.000 Like, you know, like if AI and super intelligence starts examining the history of the human race, then things can get very interesting.

01:41:53.000 and maybe it could give us places to look like we need physical you know This is like prime place to look.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, I kind of flip between like quite a pessimistic outlook and quite an optimistic outlook on these things.

01:42:10.000 Like sometimes I think like it's just gone and we're never going to know and we can speculate for as much as we like but it's gone and then sometimes I think no like you never know there's so many places that are just completely unexcavated completely unexplored that we haven't looked at like you know believe the Sahara on the the the ocean floor by these um could I have some coffee please yes that'll be right thank you of course and then it's all these places that you know we haven't explored and as you say technology like AI thank you cheers thank you You know,

01:42:39.000 I think sometimes I think, yeah, maybe we are going to make like these massive discoveries that are going to completely shift our understanding of history and as you say, the kind of ge Giza, the findings beneath Giza, that could be a moment.

01:42:52.000 And I'm always looking for that.

01:42:53.000 But then sometimes I flip again and think, you know, maybe we'll never find anything.

01:42:56.000 And I just don't know.

01:42:57.000 Maybe I'm just speculating for no reason and I should just stop.

01:43:01.000 Have you seen Ben on Uncharted X?

01:43:05.000 He has a very recent video of these, There's these underground structures in Egypt that he says are bigger than the Giza Plateau that are underground.

01:43:20.000 I haven't seen that.

01:43:22.000 I love his channel, but there's a historical record of these things where people had talked about.

01:43:27.000 them like, you know, way back, even explorers had visited them and found them to be more spectacular than what is actually on the ground, that the underground thing was even crazier.

01:43:39.000 And that begs the question, why, why underground?

01:43:43.000 Why, why do we find all this underground construction all over the world?

01:43:47.000 Hey, whoa, was that?

01:43:51.000 That's his theme music.

01:43:52.000 I even recognize that.

01:43:54.000 Shout out to Uncharted Yes, he's coming on soon to talk about this very thing.

01:43:58.000 He's awesome.

01:43:59.000 really awesome and he spends so much time down there so um he did something you talked about he did a video on the kind of unknown ancient site.

01:44:11.000 So the unknown ancient site said to be greater than the pyramids, confirmed with satellite scans.

01:44:15.000 Okay, yeah, I haven't seen this.

01:44:17.000 Give us the coming up.

01:44:18.000 Just play it.

01:44:20.000 Just so many different techniques.

01:44:22.000 The Geoscan and Merlin borrow satellite technologies, I mean, they're vastly different techniques, they seem to be aligned.

01:44:27.000 They're telling you the same things.

01:44:29.000 So they found something, like there's something down there.

01:44:31.000 What is down there seems to be also quite a mystery.

01:44:36.000 The central object is hard to classify.

01:44:38.000 It appears metallic, not stone or wood.

01:44:42.000 A free standing, forty meter long, metallic, Tic Tac shaped object approximately what 50 60 meters below the ground in a huge big open corridor an atrium come on like this this is a remarkable climb it's a crazy video and he goes deep into the history of people talking about these sites and even ancient explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how it was even more spectacular

01:45:13.000 underground here it is this is how do you say his name Petrie yeah he's he's written a lot because he was like one of the first people in Flanders Petrie.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 So are those the names of the sites he's talking about?

01:45:29.000 Hawara, Diyama, and Arsone, Arsione.

01:45:33.000 Yeah, Hawara is definitely a site.

01:45:35.000 Arsenal.

01:45:36.000 So it says...

01:45:46.000 Also the temple of Mut and that of, how do you say that?

01:45:50.000 Khonsu? 0.92

01:45:51.000 I guess.

01:45:51.000 Khonsu and Amenhotep III at Karnak.

01:45:56.000 Also the two great temples of Luxor and still there would be room for the whole of Ramesses. 0.97

01:46:05.000 What does that mean?

01:46:07.000 In short, all the temples of the east of Thebes, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering these names, folk, and one of the largest of the West Bank might be placed together in the one area in the ruins of Hawara.

01:46:24.000 Here we certainly have a site worthy of the renown which the Labyrinth acquired.

01:46:30.000 So this is an ancient explorer who's talking about he actually got into this area.

01:46:37.000 The problem now is it's all submerged.

01:46:40.000 So it's been flooded and it's very difficult to do any kind of archaeological work on it now.

01:46:48.000 Yeah, because he was one of the first people in.

01:46:50.000 Yeah, the first in people.

01:46:51.000 They're like crawling into these holes and swimming in now.

01:46:55.000 It's it's real weird.

01:46:57.000 It's like you could die there.

01:46:59.000 So someone's got to figure out how to get the fucking water out of there and what is that.

01:47:03.000 So if this guy is accurate with what he's talking about, again, explain that.

01:47:10.000 Explain how you've got something that's even greater than what you're seeing above the surface underneath, fifty meters down in the stone.

01:47:18.000 And why underground?

01:47:19.000 Why?

01:47:20.000 So much harder.

01:47:21.000 Exactly.

01:47:22.000 What, like, what were they doing?

01:47:23.000 Were they hiding?

01:47:25.000 Is this like what happened when Cataclysms took place?

01:47:28.000 They said, Well, listen, we need to develop a way to survive these things, let's get underground.

01:47:33.000 And there's so many all over the world as well.

01:47:35.000 There's, like, people are always, well, ancient people, people are always building underground construction, and we can't explain how they did it, who did it, or why they did it today.

01:47:44.000 And again, no one, well, no one in the mainstream really looks into that.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, that site in Turkey, wasn't it supposed to house like two thousand people?

01:47:51.000 Yeah.

01:47:52.000 And there's a big number, like two thousand people?

01:47:54.000 At least I think, I can't remember off the top of my head, but it's huge.

01:47:57.000 Huge.

01:47:58.000 I think it might be 20,000 people.

01:47:59.000 It's Massive.

01:48:00.000 That sounds better.

01:48:01.000 Yeah.

01:48:02.000 Sounds more exciting.

01:48:03.000 But it is massive, and they don't know how they did, and they carved it out of stone.

01:48:07.000 They don't know who built it.

01:48:08.000 There's no evidence of the stone being left anywhere.

01:48:10.000 It's not like there's a big pile of it outside of it.

01:48:13.000 It's real weird.

01:48:14.000 Yeah, 20,000.

01:48:15.000 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores.

01:48:15.000 There you go.

01:48:18.000 So 20,000 people, livestock and food stores, extending to a depth of approximately 85 meters underground.

01:48:27.000 And no one knows who built that.

01:48:28.000 That's just crazy.

01:48:30.000 and their kind of argument is that they built it to protect themselves from an invading army but Yeah, and then start fires.

01:48:44.000 Yeah.

01:48:45.000 Yeah, that seems silly.

01:48:47.000 It seems like more likely what they were doing was escaping whatever the fuck was on the surface.

01:48:52.000 And so who built that and why and how old is it?

01:48:54.000 Because again, it's, you know, it's stone that could survive for so long.

01:48:57.000 Right, and also, did you build it after a cataclysm?

01:49:02.000 Like, how do you do it?

01:49:03.000 Do you know it's coming and that's how you build it?

01:49:05.000 No, you didn't know it's coming unless it happens regularly and they realize the only way to survive it is to get underground.

01:49:12.000 Well, I guess you could, you know, it could be the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out and then they had like a memory of maybe passed down three minutes.

01:49:20.000 Look how nuts that is.

01:49:21.000 I was thinking to like no one know how like leaf cutter ants do it.

01:49:24.000 This couldn't have been the first one they made.

01:49:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:27.000 Exactly.

01:49:27.000 They're trying to figure out how to make all those chambers to breathe and stuff.

01:49:30.000 That's so bananas do that that's 85 meters into the ground.

01:49:34.000 So crazy.

01:49:35.000 And then another great one is Longyu Caves in China, which is just there's just zero explanation of what that is or who built it.

01:49:43.000 There's no record of its construction.

01:49:44.000 It's have you seen Longyu Caves?

01:49:46.000 Yeah.

01:49:47.000 That's crazy.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, pull that up.

01:49:48.000 That's nuts too.

01:49:49.000 Absolutely crazy.

01:49:50.000 How old is that supposed to be?

01:49:51.000 No, no one knows.

01:49:52.000 They have no idea who built it.

01:49:53.000 It's just like, well, what is this?

01:49:55.000 You know?

01:49:56.000 And they don't know who built it.

01:49:57.000 There's no record of who built it.

01:49:59.000 They don't know what it was for.

01:50:00.000 There's no deposits of stone.

01:50:01.000 There's no tools found nearby.

01:50:03.000 Do they have a theory of the timeline?

01:50:06.000 I mean, to be fair, it's in China, so it's kind of like it's not it's a found in 1992.

01:50:06.000 I don't think so.

01:50:12.000 Oh, a farmer.

01:50:14.000 Four farmers.

01:50:15.000 There's 24 of them looking like that.

01:50:17.000 Wow.

01:50:18.000 24.

01:50:19.000 At least 2000 years old.

01:50:21.000 Go to a video of it so we can see.

01:50:24.000 Because the caves, when you people, when people walk around it with a camera, it's ban just like who's building that wall?

01:50:34.000 And why?

01:50:35.000 You can still visit China without going to jail?

01:50:37.000 What happens?

01:50:39.000 Oh, this is Mike Collins.

01:50:40.000 He's great.

01:50:40.000 Wondering Wolf.

01:50:41.000 Yes.

01:50:42.000 He's the one who does all that stuff about that wall in Montana too.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, the sage wolf.

01:50:48.000 Very weird.

01:50:49.000 That Montana thing is very weird.

01:50:51.000 I go back and forth on that one being man made or Yeah, that's the case for so many like of these things.

01:50:56.000 It's like it could be natural, but then not this one though.

01:50:58.000 This is definitely not fucking natural.

01:51:00.000 Can you imagine in 1992 some farmers are just fucking around and they find this?

01:51:05.000 Find 24 of them as well.

01:51:06.000 And they're like, yo, what did we find?

01:51:10.000 I think the carvings are modern.

01:51:12.000 I think so.

01:51:12.000 Oh, they are?

01:51:13.000 I think that's not the parallel lines.

01:51:17.000 They don't know what they are.

01:51:18.000 They have no idea why the parallel lines are there.

01:51:20.000 But I think the kind of carvings depicting like mystical Chinese stuff is a kind of modern addition.

01:51:26.000 Oh, like brand new?

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 Like, it's like since they discovered it.

01:51:29.000 Oh, really?

01:51:30.000 Like, even those on the wall right there?

01:51:32.000 I think so.

01:51:32.000 That's so gross.

01:51:33.000 I may be wow.

01:51:34.000 It might be worth checking.

01:51:35.000 I'm not so sure.

01:51:37.000 I hope they didn't do that.

01:51:38.000 Oh, that would be gross.

01:51:40.000 Can you imagine?

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 But that's always that site has just always baffled me.

01:51:45.000 Because again, if you look at the Wikipedia page for that site, it's just like three lineses.

01:51:49.000 But it's like, what the fuck is this?

01:51:51.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 So the carvings.

01:51:53.000 Yeah.

01:51:53.000 Are those really old?

01:51:54.000 Or are those modern?

01:51:57.000 What made you think that they're modern?

01:52:00.000 Because I did a little video on, I mentioned this in a video on during my research of that.

01:52:04.000 I saw that.

01:52:05.000 Oh, so in the research you found out that they were modern.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 Okay.

01:52:08.000 So the lines, it seems to be, the parallel lines seem to be like how they dug all the stuff out, like one layer at a time.

01:52:15.000 Would you think that?

01:52:16.000 Yeah, but like how and what using what?

01:52:19.000 24 of them.

01:52:19.000 Right.

01:52:20.000 And also they're all so precisely identical.

01:52:22.000 It's like what tool you're using to make sure this was so identical.

01:52:26.000 Right.

01:52:27.000 Like what tool are you carving stone with to make a giant cave.

01:52:32.000 One particular cave stands out for its detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures, closely resembling the eight immortals from Taoist mythology.

01:52:40.000 These depictions suggest a deep connection to Taoism.

01:52:43.000 Whether these carvings were a part of the original structure or added later after the caves were rediscovered in 1992 remains a topic of debate.

01:52:51.000 After close examining of the carvings and noticing of unique method used to chip away the rock for these images, it seems likely that they were added later, perhaps turning the cave into a sacred place reflecting the religious beliefs at the time.

01:53:04.000 Oh, so some gross people carved into it in 1992. 0.99

01:53:11.000 That's so crazy that you did that guys because that's probably what people have done throughout time.

01:53:16.000 I bet that's, you know, probably the people that put their dead body in the pyramid.

01:53:20.000 Yeah, and that's the thing with all the other things in Egypt is they've people have carved hieroglyphics onto there, but that doesn't mean that that's when the original thing was built.

01:53:27.000 Can you go back to the video, please, Jamie, of that site so we could see like what it looks like when you're walking around in it?

01:53:34.000 Because the fact that they don't really know who made it and the fact that these farmers found it in 1994, when you see the scope of it, that's where it really star sets in.

01:53:47.000 Unbelievably big.

01:53:48.000 Yeah, because I think like images are cool, but the way this guy's walking around it, you really get it.

01:53:53.000 And then you have to time it's up by 24.

01:53:56.000 Can you imagine those farmers?

01:53:57.000 They're like, should we tell anyone?

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:53:59.000 If we don't, they're going to kill us.

01:54:00.000 They might kill us anyway.

01:54:03.000 How much was added then afterwards if they did the carving?

01:54:06.000 How much like stairs?

01:54:08.000 Oh yeah, all the stairs were added for sure, I bet.

01:54:11.000 Right, the stairs that that guy's on?

01:54:12.000 It looks too new, obviously.

01:54:14.000 But again, what was this for?

01:54:15.000 Like, why did they do it?

01:54:16.000 Like, it looks new.

01:54:17.000 All that shit looks new.

01:54:19.000 Yeah, why did they?

01:54:21.000 Like, what is this?

01:54:23.000 The carvings.

01:54:24.000 I mean, let's say maybe they're trying to make the carvings to make it seem like it was older and people would come wonder and just come look and it'd be a tourist attraction.

01:54:31.000 Like maybe without art they didn't think it would get enough people to visit.

01:54:35.000 I think it's also to kind of connect it to kind of, you know, more like contemporary cultural China rather than because, I mean, who knows how old this could be.

01:54:44.000 That's crazy.

01:54:45.000 Because it's stone.

01:54:46.000 That's so crazy.

01:54:48.000 The fact that they just found it.

01:54:51.000 Just stumbled on it.

01:54:52.000 That's what's the weirdest thing about some of the discoveries.

01:54:56.000 Because that's the same with Gobekli Tepe.

01:54:58.000 It was a sheep herder, right?

01:55:00.000 If someone found Gobekli Tepe in the 60s and they didn't think it was was anything so they left it.

01:55:04.000 Really?

01:55:04.000 Yeah, it's like that guy fucking missed the boat a little bit.

01:55:06.000 No way.

01:55:07.000 Yeah, some American archaeologists found it in the 60s.

01:55:09.000 When did he find it?

01:55:10.000 I can't remember, but they found like a little bit of it and they were like, ah, this is clearly just some, like, you know, contemporary Bronze Age society.

01:55:18.000 Don't worry.

01:55:20.000 That guy must have shot himself.

01:55:21.000 He missed the boat a little bit.

01:55:24.000 He could have been a Stoic.

01:55:25.000 So I could have been the guy.

01:55:27.000 Instead of a fucking sheepherd.

01:55:30.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.000 Because it was a guy who just found like a stone, right?

01:55:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, here it is, 1960s.

01:55:38.000 Survey conducted by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago found some flint and limestone artefacts, but they didn't perceive the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery.

01:55:48.000 Whoops.

01:55:49.000 Whoopsies.

01:55:51.000 Whoopsies.

01:55:52.000 Yeah, that was the find of your career.

01:55:54.000 And you found the nuts.

01:55:55.000 What a slip up.

01:55:57.000 So the sheep herder that found it, I think he just found like a corner of something.

01:56:03.000 And he like kicked it with his boot and was like, what is this?

01:56:07.000 And then he started looking around, scraping it off.

01:56:09.000 And then I think once he realized it was really big, they started, he was like, maybe I should call somebody.

01:56:14.000 Yeah.

01:56:15.000 Call somebody that knows how to dig.

01:56:16.000 The whole like five percent excavation thing is so popular puzzling at Gabekli Tepe because, I mean, to be clear, that's kind of how that's like normal practice, I think, for archaeology.

01:56:25.000 But you would think that Gabekli Tepe is like a bit more of a special case.

01:56:30.000 It's such an implication.

01:56:31.000 It's normal.

01:56:32.000 That's that should.

01:56:33.000 But it's also, they make a lot of money off of tourism, of people visiting it the way it is.

01:56:39.000 And that would disrupt everything if you had a bunch of eggheads digging into the ground all around you.

01:56:45.000 I see that.

01:56:46.000 But, you know, then they started doing weird stuff like planting olive trees above the ruins.

01:56:51.000 And everyone was telling them, like, hey guys, if you do that, these trees are going to grow roots.

01:56:55.000 The roots are going to destroy what's underneath them.

01:56:58.000 And they're like, no, everything's going to be fine.

01:57:00.000 And then they realize, oh, it's actually destroying what's underneath it.

01:57:03.000 That's like a microcosm of the problem with a small section of very vocal kind of mainstream archaeologists.

01:57:10.000 I think the whole tree controversy regarding Gabekli Tepe is because it was Jimmy, right?

01:57:15.000 Jimmy brought it in.

01:57:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:57:16.000 He didn't go there anymore, you know.

01:57:18.000 I'm not surprised.

01:57:20.000 He might have snuck in recently.

01:57:21.000 He did a video, yeah, yeah.

01:57:22.000 But I think he's banned from the country.

01:57:25.000 From the whole of Turkey.

01:57:26.000 I think he's banned from the site at the very least.

01:57:28.000 It doesn't make sense because we're mad at him for telling the truth.

01:57:32.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:57:33.000 Whatever you think of Jimmy, like he was right.

01:57:35.000 Let's find out if he's banned.

01:57:36.000 I don't want to get Turkey mad at's probably the birthplace of civilization.

01:57:44.000 Of what we think of as civilization.

01:57:44.000 Possibly.

01:57:46.000 I mean, there's so many different things that they've found in Turkey now that's starting to lean people to think that maybe that spot, maybe we've, you know, there was probably a bunch of places like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort of emerged from whatever had happened before.

01:58:07.000 Or the Sahara.

01:58:08.000 Or the Sahara.

01:58:09.000 Yeah.

01:58:10.000 What do you think about the Rishart?

01:58:12.000 Let's get that in a second here.

01:58:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:14.000 Turkey should have banned me when they had a chance. 1.00

01:58:16.000 if my prior Jimmy's so crazy.

01:58:21.000 If my prior work on Gobekli Tepe upset them, what I will share in the coming days, weeks is going to take things to another level.

01:58:28.000 But because we are, we were cunning around various security protocols and aided with exceptional timing, we got the footage.

01:58:36.000 Our ancient history belongs to humanity, I agree.

01:58:39.000 Anyone that opposes that has no place controlling our lost history.

01:58:43.000 Good for you, Jimmy.

01:58:44.000 Yeah, I mean, whatever you think about him, he was right about the trees.

01:58:47.000 And the fact that they had these people kind of coming out defending the trees and saying the trees were good for archaeological sites just Yeah, I don't know what Jimmy has a degree in, if anything, but he clearly knows a lot about ancient history and he's really interested in it.

01:59:00.000 And this, again, this gatekeeping.

01:59:02.000 Like if you watch his videos and he constantly gets smeared with all sorts of different horrible claims that he's this and he's that.

01:59:10.000 It's like, if you watch his videos, you know that's not true.

01:59:14.000 He's just a guy who is very fascinated and deeply informed on a lot of the timelines of all these different things and how interesting they are.

01:59:23.000 And he likes to make videos of them and that's a good thing.

01:59:27.000 Why shouldn't he be allowed to speculate?

01:59:29.000 He's just a guy speculating.

01:59:30.000 And he's really fair and balancedanced with how he talks about the Atlantic.

01:59:34.000 And he's good at it, man.

01:59:35.000 He puts together arguments really well.

01:59:37.000 And you just mentioned the reshut structure thing.

01:59:39.000 I've watched his videos on that.

01:59:40.000 And like, it's interesting, man, the way he kind of connects what Platon was saying about Atlantis and brings it all to the reshut.

01:59:46.000 It's interesting stuff.

01:59:48.000 It's very interesting, because it's also, he talks about how Platon would talk about the mountains to the north and the river to the south.

01:59:54.000 It's like, this all lines up.

01:59:55.000 Concentric rings.

01:59:57.000 Concentric rings in the same size as was described as Atlantic?

02:00:01.000 And the Tamar Rasset River System used to run through.

02:00:04.000 So it was surrounded by water.

02:00:05.000 Well, how come everybody's like, nah.

02:00:05.000 So it could have been.

02:00:08.000 Well, it's a little bit of that, but it's also because this YouTube guy is the one talking about it.

02:00:15.000 If they admit that he was right, that would drive them fucking crazy.

02:00:19.000 They had to with the trees.

02:00:20.000 They had to move them.

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 Yeah.

02:00:22.000 Which is amazing.

02:00:23.000 But I think he's right about Atlantis too.

02:00:25.000 I think he might be right.

02:00:26.000 There's something about that that's weird.

02:00:29.000 It's also weird if you look at it from a satellite perspective, the satellite imagery where you get to see where it all looks like it's been washed over by water.

02:00:37.000 Yeah.

02:00:38.000 Like the whole thing looks exactly like sand looks when the tide comes in and then pulls back.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:44.000 It's all rippled and it looks like it was pummeled by water.

02:00:49.000 Yeah.

02:00:50.000 And match the sinking into the sea in a single day and night.

02:00:53.000 Exactly.

02:00:54.000 And also, like, how many stories from ancient history depict floods?

02:01:00.000 There's so many of them.

02:01:01.000 Like, we can't, are we going to ignore all of them as myth?

02:01:06.000 Well, the idea that myth doesn't hold any kind of use in understanding the past is just ridiculous because the myth is powerful because it's the thing we've collectively remembered as a species, isn't it?

02:01:17.000 So why would we dismiss that as a kind of, you know, historical record?

02:01:22.000 And then you've got examples of like indigenous cultures that, I always go to this example of these kind of islanders during the tsunami in 2004.

02:01:36.000 And they went, it was the Andaman Islands and the kind of, you know, western scientists or whatever went to the island after the Boxing Day tsunami and they were like, oh, everyone's going to be dead.

02:01:46.000 Like, they're all going to be wiped out by the tsunami.

02:01:49.000 And they were fine because they had this myth in their culture that when the sea recedes, you get to high ground because then the waves are going to come that will eat men.

02:01:58.000 And that myth, you know, that has encoded scientific information regarding tsunamis and that saved their culture's lives.

02:02:05.000 And they had like no casualties compared to, you know, western or modern people who. 0.98

02:02:08.000 were in that place.

02:02:10.000 Everybody else was like, Wow, look at all the sand.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, and they were like, What?

02:02:12.000 I thought the beach was over here.

02:02:14.000 Yeah, and they would get fucking killed.

02:02:16.000 And then these people with their myths, scientific information, survived.

02:02:20.000 There's a guy who was hiking in Russia when the most recent tsunami hit and he was on a cliff and you see the ocean come in and like reach the top of the cliff where his dog is.

02:02:32.000 See if you can find it.

02:02:34.000 It's crazy.

02:02:36.000 Because he films the thing coming in.

02:02:38.000 Like this guy is way above the ocean.

02:02:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:41.000 When it starts.

02:02:42.000 And then the water is reaching where he is with his dog.

02:02:46.000 It's just further testament to the power of nature.

02:02:49.000 We just constantly underestimate nature.

02:02:51.000 And that was just a little wiggle in the ocean.

02:02:54.000 That's just a little wiggle.

02:02:55.000 Just a little earthquake.

02:02:56.000 Little earthquake, little, little eight pointer.

02:02:58.000 And then you think about some of the shit that's going on during all time on Earth.

02:03:02.000 Comet impacts and like, watch this.

02:03:04.000 So look how high this guy is, right?

02:03:06.000 Way up.

02:03:07.000 Way up, right?

02:03:08.000 And so as he's up here, you know, he's seeing the waves come in.

02:03:13.000 Now he must have known that this was going to happen because everyone knew this was going to happen.

02:03:22.000 So watch how it's coming in now.

02:03:25.000 And now it keeps coming.

02:03:28.000 It keeps coming all the way to the top where he is.

02:03:32.000 It's nuts.

02:03:35.000 Look at his dog.

02:03:35.000 Oh shit.

02:03:36.000 His dog's like, yo.

02:03:39.000 I would be freaking out.

02:03:40.000 I would be running on the air.

02:03:42.000 I wouldn't trust it.

02:03:43.000 What if it goes over the top where you're at?

02:03:45.000 You're just guessing.

02:03:47.000 Bro, look how high this water gets.

02:03:50.000 It's terrifying.

02:03:51.000 Yeah, he's out of thin air.

02:03:52.000 Look at that.

02:03:53.000 The dog's about to get jacked.

02:03:55.000 I mean, if you get trapped in that, like, the bitch, you are not swimming to shore. 1.00

02:03:59.000 That's your life.

02:03:59.000 It's over.

02:04:00.000 I don't care if you're Laird Hamilton.

02:04:02.000 Well, he might swim through that.

02:04:04.000 But isn't that nuts?

02:04:05.000 Yeah, yeah, you're fucked.

02:04:07.000 That water got all the way to the top of that hill.

02:04:10.000 And that is like doesn't even register in the news.

02:04:15.000 Yeah, that's just like things happen all the time.

02:04:17.000 That's a thing that happens.

02:04:18.000 It's just like a thing.

02:04:19.000 Like, no big deal.

02:04:20.000 No one will remember that in five years.

02:04:23.000 No one will remember that in ten years.

02:04:25.000 But if a fucking comet slams into the ocean right there or slams into a glacier, a comet the size of, you know, a few city blocks, that's a rap.

02:04:37.000 Yeah.

02:04:37.000 That's a wrap.

02:04:38.000 You have massive flippings.

02:05:04.000 This isn't speculation.

02:05:07.000 We look at the Tunguska impact, and that was the same sort of comet storm that we passed through at the same time of year, and it flattened like this enormous.

02:05:19.000 chunk of Siberia that still doesn't have trees on it.

02:05:22.000 Yeah.

02:05:22.000 And that was, that's a pretty small thing.

02:05:24.000 And it didn't even hit his aerial bust.

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:28.000 Yeah.

02:05:28.000 So.

02:05:28.000 And if that had happened over a city, that's like millions dead.

02:05:31.000 Millions.

02:05:31.000 So that could be happening on this planet on a regular basis.

02:05:36.000 It is.

02:05:36.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 I mean, it's just kind of facts that we get hit by stuff.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, we're always finding a crater.

02:05:41.000 We're like, oh, this one's three million years old.

02:05:44.000 Look at this fucking crater.

02:05:45.000 Yeah.

02:05:45.000 Three million years ago.

02:05:46.000 Everyone's fucked.

02:05:48.000 If that estimate is correct that we're hit by, you know, a cataclysmic impact once every hundred thousand years, then, I mean.

02:05:56.000 What does that mean?

02:05:57.000 Well, that's where it gets really weird if you're talking about like an advanced civilization like, you know, millions of years ago.

02:06:04.000 Like, imagine if there was some sort of advanced life form millions of years ago and then something like that hits.

02:06:10.000 Have you seen that wheel that's like 300 million years old?

02:06:14.000 Or it's like a preserve, it looks just like a wheel.

02:06:16.000 Have you seen the others?

02:06:18.000 Jamie, could you please search 300 million year old wheel?

02:06:24.000 Are you on TikTok a lot?

02:06:25.000 Like, where are you getting this from?

02:06:26.000 I've just seen it about and like, it looks like a wheel.

02:06:29.000 It doesn't mean it is a wheel, but it looks remarkable.

02:06:31.000 Well, there's some of the stuff from Yeah, that's the thing.

02:06:35.000 It just kind of looks like a wheel and they found it in a mine and then they flooded the mine, which is a bit weird..

02:06:39.000 But there's a couple better images of it.

02:06:42.000 I don't know if they'll be on this page, but yeah, there you go.

02:06:45.000 That looks like spokes and a wheel.

02:06:48.000 I mean, could be natural, but I mean, what the fuck is that, you know?

02:06:54.000 That looks really weird.

02:06:56.000 Now, what are these, these fossilized tracks?

02:07:00.000 Yeah, these are also super old.

02:07:02.000 They're called kartrots.

02:07:04.000 Again, found in Turkey.

02:07:06.000 Yeah.

02:07:06.000 Right?

02:07:07.000 Including Sovka, where they like how I said that?

02:07:10.000 Where they cover an area approximately 45 by 10 miles.

02:07:14.000 And how do you say that one?

02:07:15.000 But there's a lot of words that that I didn't know how to say.

02:07:18.000 Cappadocia, home to several clusters of tracks.

02:07:21.000 The discovery of these ruts around the world has sparked debate regarding their purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the tracks to megalithic structures and the fact that some are now submerged beneath the sea.

02:07:34.000 Yeah, I've seen some of them in Mozambique.

02:07:36.000 And they go off cliffs.

02:07:37.000 Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity.

02:07:43.000 So if this is like Is there a natural explanation for those kind of formations?

02:08:02.000 I don't see anyone providing.

02:08:03.000 No one has an idea?

02:08:14.000 Well, hold on.

02:08:15.000 They're definitely man-made because listen to what this says.

02:08:18.000 I first saw tracks in stone, fossilized car or terrain vehicle traces, usually called cartruts, on Newgate plantation surfaces, peniplene in Figrian.

02:08:33.000 Phrygian.

02:08:33.000 Phrygian?

02:08:34.000 Phrygian plain in May of 2014.

02:08:37.000 They were situated in the field of development of middle and late, how do you say that?

02:08:41.000 Miocene?

02:08:42.000 Miocene tufts and tufts, tufites.

02:08:46.000 And according to age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks, had middle Miocene age of 12 to 14 million years.

02:08:55.000 Yes, so this is Turkey, not Malta, but again, I mean, you've got these cartruts that look like, you know, some sort of track and it's millions of years old and then you just find that wheel nearby.

02:09:06.000 That's fucking crazy.

02:09:09.000 And you're like, what is this?

02:09:10.000 I will look at what this says.

02:09:13.000 Coltepin holds, okay, the region that Dr. Coltepin has studied is relatively obscure with guidebooks offering little to no information about it.

02:09:21.000 While mainstream researchers argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels, Coltepin holds a different perspective.

02:09:33.000 Rejecting these conventional explanations, he stated firmly, I will never accept it.

02:09:38.000 I will always remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history.

02:09:45.000 His research suggested a deeper, perhaps forgotten history of Earth and its past civilizations.

02:09:50.000 Like, what?

02:09:51.000 Because if it's, that's the Silurian hypothesis, if it was millions of years ago, how would we, if we wouldn't know?

02:09:56.000 Can you imagine millions of years ago people had the wheel?

02:09:59.000 Or something.

02:09:59.000 Might not be people.

02:10:01.000 Something, whatever they were, was pulling things on wheels.

02:10:05.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 and they had cart ruts in the ground.

02:10:08.000 So maybe they didn't have...

02:10:14.000 Coltepin theorizes that the civilization responsible for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, ruts, and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than 12 million years ago.

02:10:30.000 He acknowledges that petrification can occur relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of a much older timeline.

02:10:42.000 He also connects these tracks to surrounding underground cities, irrigation systems, and wells, which he believes are millions of years old.

02:10:50.000 Yes, that's like Devin Khuyu.

02:10:53.000 So what if Devin Khuyu is millions of years old and these tracks are related to it?

02:10:57.000 This is so crazy.

02:10:59.000 On his website, Coltipin wrote, oh, I'm not fucking his name out.

02:11:03.000 We are dealing with extremely tough, lithified, petrified sediments covered with a thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop, full of multiple cracks with newly developed minerals in them, which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity.

02:11:23.000 Whoa.

02:11:26.000 Pretty crazy, huh?

02:11:28.000 That's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.

02:11:30.000 That's crazy because I knew those cart ruts existed, but I didn't look into them.

02:11:36.000 I didn't know what the timeline was.

02:11:38.000 I didn't know that there's anybody that's even speculating.

02:11:41.000 That thing looks like a fucking wheel.

02:11:42.000 Yeah, it's right in the same place.

02:11:43.000 So you've got this fossilized wheel and was printed in a sandstone of the roof.

02:11:53.000 Guys, drifters, tried to cut away the find with the pickhammers and try to take it out to the surface, but sandstone was so strong and firm, and having been afraid to damage a print, they have left it in place.

02:12:07.000 At present, the mine is closed, and access to the object is impossible.

02:12:12.000 The equipment, dismantled, and the given layers are already flooded.

02:12:19.000 Yeah, they've got to get in there.

02:12:20.000 Why would you flood that?

02:12:22.000 I think it was something to do with, like, just I don't think it's like some conspiracy like hide the wheel, hide the wheel, but I mean, maybe you would, but I think it's more just like the practice of what they would they would finish their mining thing and they found this wheel, they weren't going to excavate the wheel because they were like, Bro, if that's a real wheel, if someone can carve that out of there and realize, like, if scientists look at it, if they get a 3D scan of it and they go, Okay, we have to completely rethink everything.

02:12:50.000 If something had a wheel twelve million years ago.

02:12:53.000 300 million.

02:12:54.000 300 What?

02:12:57.000 It's nuts.

02:12:59.000 Like, what are we talking about?

02:13:00.000 I mean, it would be like the Silurian hypothesis, it would be another, it wouldn't be human unless you mean you'd have to radically rewrite everything if that was right but what does that mean then like what are we talking about like different intelligence some other species so maybe there was something like us that lived like medieval humans yeah because millions of years ago it's the same problems like we have like if they're living on earth they're dealing with the same kind of physics they you know they have to move materials around like why would you not come up with the same kind of thing like a wheel like it's a simple invention that's

02:13:31.000 what's interesting too and we're always finding new dinosaurs like that's a common thing yeah and if these were a type of human being or something similar to human beings, they bury their dead.

02:13:43.000 What are we going to find?

02:13:43.000 Yeah.

02:13:45.000 Like, what are we going to find after twelve million years?

02:13:48.000 Nothing, except for maybe a fossilized wheel.

02:13:50.000 Yeah, or these wheel tracks.

02:13:52.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 Well, what is the conventional explanation of these wheel tracks?

02:13:55.000 I don't know.

02:13:56.000 But all I know about the ones in Multan, they definitely say they're man made.

02:13:59.000 I don't know about these ones in Turkey.

02:14:01.000 I haven't really looked into it.

02:14:02.000 But those are crazy.

02:14:03.000 I know.

02:14:04.000 And the fact that they go to underground structures?

02:14:07.000 Yeah.

02:14:07.000 Help me.

02:14:08.000 Well, they're near there.

02:14:08.000 I know.

02:14:10.000 I don't think they directly lead to, like, Derenkuyu or anything, but they're they're nearby.

02:14:13.000 And then so then you start to think, what if Derenkuyu is like, you know, to be fair., I think that's probably man made, but it's stone, so.

02:14:22.000 Well, I'm sure it's man made, but like what kind of man?

02:14:25.000 And it could have been man adapted, it could have already been something there, and we kind of changed it.

02:14:32.000 That would be completely fucked if we found out there was another type of human that existed that did all that 12 million years ago.

02:14:39.000 Well, it wouldn't even have to be a human, it could be any kind of life, it's just intelligence.

02:14:44.000 Right, but there's no evidence that anything other than primates have been that capable of manipulating their environment other than primates, right?

02:14:51.000 I guess it's so.

02:14:52.000 When we also know that there's certain we're finding new ones all the time, right?

02:14:56.000 Right.

02:14:57.000 This one that they found, I keep fucking it up.

02:14:59.000 Homo Julienne's, is that it?

02:15:04.000 Antikythera?

02:15:06.000 Antikythera.

02:15:06.000 Close.

02:15:07.000 Antikythera.

02:15:08.000 I'm going to get that right.

02:15:09.000 I fucked this one up too, the Homo Julienne's. 1.00

02:15:12.000 But this one was larger than us.

02:15:15.000 It had a larger brain capacity, and they know that they just, I mean, this was just published in December of 2024.

02:15:26.000 So they know that they're constantly finding new branches of the human tree.

02:15:31.000 And then you got Denis Evans or Denis Evans, however you pronounce that.

02:15:31.000 Yeah.

02:15:35.000 they just reclassified that Dragon Man skull as Denisovan and that was a huge um So Juluensis.

02:15:45.000 Would say that?

02:15:46.000 I've never heard of this.

02:15:47.000 Yeah, because it's really new.

02:15:49.000 A new, big-headed, archaic humans. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Bigger than us, with big ass heads and big brains.

02:15:58.000 Well, then you kind of get into the thing of, like, giants and stuff, and, like, could giants have been real?

02:16:03.000 It seems like that's a giant.

02:16:04.000 Exactly.

02:16:05.000 And there is giant primates that have been, like, confirmed, like Gigantopithecus or whatever it's called.

02:16:10.000 And then you have hobbit humans, like Homo florensis. 1.00

02:16:13.000 Yep.

02:16:14.000 I don't know how you pronounce that.

02:16:15.000 So you have hobbit humans, you have giant primates, why can't you have giant humans? 0.90

02:16:19.000 I think they did.

02:16:20.000 I think that's why giants are always in the Bible.

02:16:23.000 And I think this thing, how old is this fossil that they found of Juluensis?

02:16:32.000 So this one existed alongside, I believe, alongside at least some versions of man.

02:16:46.000 Does it say how old it is?

02:16:48.000 300.

02:16:49.000 300,000 or million?

02:16:52.000 Yes, million.

02:16:53.000 So that would just.

02:16:55.000 overlap with us then.

02:16:56.000 300,000 years old?

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 Right.

02:16:58.000 So, but here's the thing.

02:17:00.000 They don't have a lot of this stuff.

02:17:02.000 They don't have a lot of evidence of this creature.

02:17:04.000 So, right.

02:17:05.000 So they have, I believe it's one site.

02:17:07.000 Is that correct?

02:17:09.000 Is there one site where they found this?

02:17:10.000 Partly on a very large scale found in China.

02:17:13.000 Yeah.

02:17:14.000 So, how many have they not found?

02:17:16.000 That's the real, real problem with us and this whole fossil record thing is that we're dealing with a very limited amount of information.

02:17:24.000 It's very difficult to become information.

02:17:26.000 It's very difficult to become evidence.

02:17:28.000 Especially when you get up to these, it's so hard to find stuff.

02:17:34.000 You should see what this thing looks like when they make a 3D image of a depiction.

02:17:38.000 First of all, they make it look super primitive.

02:17:40.000 They cover it with hair and give it jack muscles.

02:17:42.000 It looks like this freak.

02:17:44.000 But whatever it is, it's way bigger than us.

02:17:47.000 And it's a human and it lived alongside us.

02:17:49.000 So David and Goliath, it's right there.

02:17:52.000 And there's also the, I think it's called Meganthropus, which is Yeah, that's what it looked like, supposedly.

02:17:58.000 I mean, while he probably had a calculator.

02:18:00.000 They make everything like a canon.

02:18:02.000 Everyone's stupid and walking around in.

02:18:04.000 Yeah, everyone's stupid.

02:18:05.000 Everyone has a stick in their hand.

02:18:06.000 When I was looking up that wheel, I came across the London Hammer.

02:18:10.000 Oh.

02:18:10.000 Oh, I've heard of that too, but I heard that that was that was dissolved.

02:18:14.000 I did not see, I mean, it doesn't make sense.

02:18:16.000 I'll just go with that.

02:18:17.000 It's, it was found in 1936, I think, but the limestone around it is supposedly 100 million years old.

02:18:23.000 Ah, shit, I never heard of this.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, someone had an explanation for that.

02:18:27.000 I found it in Texas.

02:18:28.000 London, Texas, not England just so.

02:18:30.000 Yeah.

02:18:31.000 Someone had an explanation for that.

02:18:33.000 I don't remember what it was.

02:18:34.000 I'm fucking over at Mysteries.

02:18:36.000 A lot of people discussing it.

02:18:37.000 Why don't you look up London Hamber debunked?

02:18:43.000 I mean, wouldn't someone want to debunk it?

02:18:45.000 I know they would, but I want to know if they're right, you know?

02:18:47.000 I'm sure someone would want to.

02:18:50.000 There's lots of people saying it's real and fake, and there's just not a lot of explanation on how it was found in old limestone.

02:18:57.000 Okay, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity.

02:19:04.000 More details.

02:19:05.000 The artifact, the London hammer is a metal hammerhead with a wooden handle found partially encased in a concretion, hard, compact mass of mineral matter.

02:19:14.000 The claim some have interpreted the hammer's presence in the rock as evidence of advanced ancient civilizations or a young earth pointing to the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern looking tool in ancient rock.

02:19:26.000 Evidence against antiquity radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle has placed its origin within the historical period, not millions of years.

02:19:34.000 Geological processes, the concretion itself is not necessarily ancient.

02:19:38.000 This is what I'd read.

02:19:39.000 Minerals in solution can harden around objects dropped or left in cracks or on the surface of soluble rock, according to Gaia.

02:19:48.000 Out of place artifacts.

02:19:50.000 While the concept of out of place artifacts can be intriguing, the London hammer doesn't meet the criteria of being considered an out of place artifact as his geological context and dating suggest a more recent origin.

02:20:02.000 You know, one of the things that I always go to with Egypt is those really bizarre looking things that almost look like a part of a machine, like a that wheel thing.

02:20:16.000 A machine shift disc, I think it is.

02:20:17.000 Yeah, something, I don't remember what it's called, some kind of a disc.

02:20:21.000 Yeah.

02:20:21.000 But it looks like a part of something, like almost a fan.

02:20:23.000 You're looking at it like, okay, what is that thing doing?

02:20:26.000 Is that a turbine?

02:20:27.000 Is that in water?

02:20:28.000 Does something spin?

02:20:29.000 Like, what is that?

02:20:30.000 The fact that that's real, that, that drives me nuts.

02:20:30.000 Yeah.

02:20:34.000 It literally looks exactly like something.

02:20:36.000 I mean, that's a replica, right?

02:20:37.000 It's a part of a machine.

02:20:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:20:39.000 I mean, they found the pieces of it.

02:20:40.000 I've seen someone put it, they've cranked it up in water and it can, like, displace water in a very unique way.

02:20:45.000 Yes.

02:20:46.000 I don't know if that's the use of it, but that's a...

02:20:59.000 So when people are looking at it, I think a lot of times they're looking at recreations.

02:21:06.000 Whatever it was, no one can figure it out, right?

02:21:10.000 And it's carved out of stone.

02:21:12.000 So how?

02:21:15.000 What are you doing?

02:21:16.000 What does that thing do?

02:21:18.000 That thing looks like a part of a machine.

02:21:18.000 Yeah.

02:21:18.000 You know?

02:21:21.000 It looks like a part.

02:21:22.000 Like if, you know, like you have some ancient machine and you've got to do a bunch of things like it's a beer mixer.

02:21:30.000 Right.

02:21:31.000 But I mean, if you go with Brian Mararescu, then I need to mix that stuff up somehow.

02:21:35.000 That's true actually, right?

02:21:37.000 But it's probably beer, but.

02:21:39.000 It's probably just one of many different tools that were missing from back then, if that is just their stuff for making what they call beer.

02:21:47.000 Brian Mararescu is the guy who wrote The Immortality Key.

02:21:50.000 I don't know if you ever read any of his stuff, but a lot of it is about ancient Greece and the Ileucinian mysteries.

02:21:57.000 Psychedelics again.

02:21:58.000 Psychedelics again.

02:21:58.000 Yes.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 But a lot of it is, you know, what we think of as beer and wine, all their stuff was laced.

02:22:05.000 It was all laced with ergot and a bunch of other stuff and different psychedelics that we haven't really identified yet.

02:22:11.000 Yeah, and they combined that with their kind of spirituality and everything.

02:22:16.000 And that's why they built the society that they built.

02:22:20.000 Which is the craziest thing about, you know, our weirdo.

02:22:20.000 Yeah.

02:22:25.000 technological advanced society is disconnected from that because it's illegal disconnected from the stars as well disconnected from light pollution yeah and we're just all kind of rushing around in this really hectic life of just like you know gotta do this gotta do this and just not sitting back and kind of appreciating what was that?

02:22:43.000 This is from an unknown author and read it.

02:22:46.000 That's when they put it on a drill.

02:22:47.000 Oh, so they made one of it and put it on a drill?

02:22:49.000 Yeah.

02:22:50.000 That's great if you have a drill.

02:22:53.000 I mean, this shot.

02:22:54.000 So we're assuming that the Egyptians had a drill. 0.84

02:22:56.000 I'm assuming they had a drill. 0.54

02:22:57.000 Yeah, they definitely.

02:22:58.000 I mean, they have all those drill holes, don't they?

02:22:59.000 And they find all these cool holes.

02:23:00.000 And people are like, Oh, that's normal.

02:23:02.000 Yeah.

02:23:02.000 I can explain that.

02:23:04.000 That spiral thing.

02:23:04.000 What's that?

02:23:05.000 I can't remember what it's called, but what's it called?

02:23:08.000 The Chris Dunn did like a He put like a thread around it to show it was a spiral.

02:23:11.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

02:23:12.000 The grooves.

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:13.000 And he also estimated the revolutions per minute that would take to do something like that.

02:23:18.000 Yeah.

02:23:18.000 So you're talking about something that is going into extremely hard rock and looks like it has some extremely hard tip that can cut that rock.

02:23:29.000 Like what is it made of?

02:23:30.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:23:31.000 And these are serious people.

02:23:32.000 These are engineers that are saying this kind of thing.

02:23:34.000 And the problem is that archeologists and Egyptologists are all a certain type of person that don't have the expertise in recognizing machined artefacts.

02:23:45.000 Also, they're dorks and they don't connect with people because they're so arrogant in the way they talk about these things that it freaks people out and it makes them not want to listen.

02:23:57.000 This is, I think, the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians like Graham Hancock.

02:24:03.000 He's really interesting.

02:24:04.000 He's compelling.

02:24:05.000 He's a great communicator as well.

02:24:06.000 He's a great communicator and a wonderful guy and people love him and they go, I'll fuck that guy.

02:24:12.000 He's all right.

02:24:13.000 He's this, he's that.

02:24:14.000 And he's more popular than them as well.

02:24:16.000 Yes, that's what drives them nuts, but what it should be exciting to them because it's it's stimulating people's desire to know where we come from.

02:24:26.000 And that's supposed to be your business.

02:24:28.000 That's supposed to be what you're into.

02:24:30.000 And all he's doing is asking questions and like putting forward a thing.

02:24:32.000 I don't think Graham would ever claim to be, you know, certain or to.

02:24:38.000 Or to he's just saying this could be possible, you know?

02:24:41.000 Yeah, he's got some ideas that I think are a big stretch.

02:24:45.000 And then he's got some ideas that I think are dead on the head.

02:24:48.000 But he will tell you that himself.

02:24:50.000 He will tell you that himself.

02:24:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:24:52.000 He's just trying to figure this out.

02:24:53.000 And that's the position he always has come from.

02:24:55.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 But they kind of see it and they're saying, How dare you claim that you have proof?

02:24:59.000 And I don't think he's ever said that he's got proof.

02:25:01.000 I'm a nice and sensitive person that like this stuff really fucking hurts his feelings.

02:25:06.000 I can imagine, mate.

02:25:07.000 It must be hard.

02:25:08.000 It's hard.

02:25:09.000 Not necessary.

02:25:10.000 Everybody should be working together.

02:25:12.000 They really should.

02:25:13.000 And the academics, everyone knows that you had a limited amount of information before and there's more information now.

02:25:20.000 Like your students are not going to hate you if you say, listen, I wrote a whole book on this.

02:25:25.000 This is so crazy, but I was so wrong.

02:25:27.000 They would respect you more.

02:25:28.000 They would probably respect you more.

02:25:30.000 The thing about it is like that book is still out there and academics like to point at each other and make fools of each other.

02:25:30.000 Yeah.

02:25:37.000 They really love to do that.

02:25:38.000 They really love to.

02:25:39.000 I see them do it to each other on Twitter all the time.

02:25:42.000 They'll dismiss someone's credentials and say his work is shit.

02:25:46.000 And they're like, God, you're such bitches. 1.00

02:25:49.000 That Bruce is a brute to each other, let alone someone who's a brute to each other.

02:25:49.000 That's Bruce.

02:25:52.000 Yeah.

02:25:53.000 Like high school girls like talking shit about each other in chat messages you know or high school boys they do the same thing but it's or grown men do it obviously and these guys are just like that there's but it's also i think some of these guys are socially stunted because they've they spent so much time with their head in academia and their head in books that they don't realize the rest of the world sees that behavior in a very transparent way.

02:26:20.000 If you're acting like a bitch online and all you do is say mean things about people, that's not, you're not hiding what you are. 0.97

02:26:32.000 every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows what's going on.

02:26:37.000 This is irrational behavior.

02:26:41.000 You're calling people racist because they're questioning the timeline of human civilization based on evidence, based on really bizarre things that no one can explain, based on water erosion on rocks.

02:26:54.000 Now you're racist.

02:26:55.000 Like what are you talking about?

02:26:57.000 It's just a way of like, you know, shutting down the ideas.

02:26:59.000 It's exactly what it is.

02:27:00.000 It's exactly what it is.

02:27:01.000 But it's it's it's done by people that are socially stunted and they don't understand that most normal rational people who see them behave this way are never going to listen to them again.

02:27:15.000 By doing this bitchy thing, you have discounted your own participation in any true, like, intellectual discourse. 1.00

02:27:23.000 Because everybody knows you're a bad faith actor now.

02:27:25.000 You're a bad person.

02:27:27.000 You're you're you're saying things because you're trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, Huh, tell me what you did.

02:27:33.000 How did you get to this?

02:27:35.000 So what is he saying?

02:27:37.000 Water erosion.

02:27:38.000 Whoa.

02:27:39.000 Show me.

02:27:40.000 Show me the water erosion.

02:27:41.000 Well, fucking hell, that does look like water erosion.

02:27:44.000 Okay.

02:27:45.000 Maybe we should like reevaluate it.

02:27:46.000 Maybe we should bring you in to teach.

02:27:48.000 You know, like, what are we doing?

02:27:48.000 Yeah.

02:27:50.000 We're we're gatekeeping.

02:27:51.000 We're gatekeeping information because it's protecting fragile egos of socially stunted people.

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:58.000 And they've always, you know, that they Not to say they haven't done great things.

02:28:02.000 They have done great things.

02:28:03.000 They do deserve the credit for that.

02:28:05.000 But we should give them amnesty for fucking up.

02:28:07.000 But no one Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't be able to talk about these things without, you know, mainstream for one thing.

02:28:12.000 I know.

02:28:13.000 Imagine with Harry in the math department when you've been shitting on his string theory and now it finds out, oh, look, look who's wrong about the timeline.

02:28:21.000 Yeah.

02:28:22.000 Oh, it's Mike the fucking genius.

02:28:24.000 They're a bunch of animals.

02:28:28.000 They're just like Any other group of men, you know?

02:28:32.000 It's just a human thing, isn't it?

02:28:33.000 We're all just human.

02:28:34.000 Sure.

02:28:34.000 That's just, you know.

02:28:35.000 Chess players cheat.

02:28:36.000 Yeah.

02:28:37.000 Exactly.

02:28:38.000 Like even genius ones.

02:28:39.000 And often like these people, this is like, you know, the thing that they've worked on and the kind of biggest success they've had in their lives.

02:28:45.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 They don't want that taken away.

02:28:47.000 They don't want it taken away and they don't want to deal with those other academics who are going to stick it in their face.

02:28:52.000 Yeah.

02:28:53.000 Forty years, Bob.

02:28:54.000 Forty years you've been teaching lies.

02:28:56.000 How's that feel?

02:28:57.000 How about all those college kids that left with a real fucked up view of human history because of you, Bob?

02:29:04.000 Yeah.

02:29:04.000 Come on, Bob.

02:29:05.000 I mean, poor Bob.

02:29:06.000 Bob is going to just like write a note and blow his brains out yeah but i mean i don't know i just i hope that things are going to shift over time and over the next few decades we're going to see a bit one funeral at a time i guess so that is the max plank quote isn't it but i hope it doesn't have to take that long and i wish people would shift their positions man because well again i think new people coming in it's like a lot of things you know new people come in they have new ideas and the old dinosaurs yeah but i think it's I don't know,

02:29:06.000 Poor Bob.

02:29:36.000 our adherence to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of history and has kind of prevented us for looking for things because, you know, we assume that these things are shit, sorry.

02:29:45.000 No, they're not.

02:29:46.000 I almost unplugged the microphone.

02:29:47.000 That wheel is still freaking me out.

02:29:49.000 Yeah.

02:29:50.000 It's crazy, huh?

02:29:51.000 But we just don't look for these things.

02:29:51.000 It's crazy.

02:29:53.000 Have you seen any of Jesse Michael's stuff?

02:29:55.000 He's the kind of UAP kind of guy, isn't he?

02:29:58.000 Yeah.

02:29:59.000 I haven't really.

02:30:01.000 I do kind of delve into that, but I don't, I mean, I don't like talking about or anything, but his latest one is Is this to do the mummy?

02:30:08.000 The Tridactyl mummies in Peru. 0.95

02:30:10.000 Yeah, that's the one.

02:30:11.000 Where they've done scans of them and they have a fully intact bone structure.

02:30:16.000 Looks like a real creature.

02:30:19.000 Fully intact.

02:30:20.000 Three of our three toes, different shaped head than us.

02:30:24.000 Whatever it is, like, and also 1700 years old, like, what is that?

02:30:28.000 So what's the, like, debunking of that?

02:30:31.000 Well, there's some of them that people have made that seem to be a complete fabrication.

02:30:36.000 It seems to be some of them they've pieced together bones and created like a fake artifact and tried to sell it off.

02:30:44.000 But then there's these other ones that were found that don't look like that at all.

02:30:49.000 They look like they're huddled up.

02:30:51.000 One of them has a fetus inside of it.

02:30:53.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 What the fuck?

02:30:54.000 Yeah.

02:30:55.000 Yeah.

02:30:56.000 And whatever these things are, show them the video when you see the scans of it.

02:31:02.000 American Alchemy, Jesse Michaels, awesome show.

02:31:04.000 Yeah, he's cool, man.

02:31:05.000 I watched his show on here.

02:31:06.000 He's awesome.

02:31:07.000 Yeah.

02:31:08.000 MICHELS.

02:31:11.000 And isn't there also, I might have made this up, but isn't there also like depictions of this in kind of ancient?

02:31:17.000 Yes.

02:31:17.000 Yeah, is that true?

02:31:18.000 Yeah, ancient artwork, three-fingered, three-toed people with big heads.

02:31:21.000 Oh, that's weird then.

02:31:23.000 Weird.

02:31:24.000 When you see this thing, this thing looks exactly like these.

02:31:27.000 This is it.

02:31:28.000 This is an actual scan of this mummy.

02:31:34.000 Look at the size of the head.

02:31:36.000 Look at the shape of the head.

02:31:37.000 Look at all the bones.

02:31:38.000 Look at all the ribs, everything.

02:31:40.000 That's fucking bananas.

02:31:45.000 Now, Jamie, show him what it looks like before they scan it.

02:31:49.000 So they found them encased in, I think it's dichotomous earth.

02:31:53.000 Is that what it was?

02:31:55.000 But how old do they think these things are?

02:31:57.000 Some of them are 700 years old and some of them are as old as 1700 years.

02:32:02.000 So not that old though.

02:32:03.000 But look at that thing. 0.93

02:32:04.000 So this thing, this thing.

02:32:07.000 That is ridiculous.

02:32:09.000 That seems to be an actual mummy of a real creature.

02:32:13.000 Yeah.

02:32:14.000 And here's the thing, like, is Jesse there?

02:32:16.000 No, yeah, Jesse's right there.

02:32:17.000 Yeah, Jesse's, yeah.

02:32:19.000 Jesse is doing real journalism on this.

02:32:22.000 This is what it sounds crazy to everybody including me as it comes out of my mouth.

02:32:26.000 But then when you look at that scan, not crazy anymore.

02:32:29.000 That's one of a smaller one, but the bigger one with the big head, that one right there, that one's crazy.

02:32:36.000 Like, what the fuck is that?

02:32:37.000 If that was a person you would run for the hills.

02:32:40.000 With a head that shape with three fingers and three toes, and the fact that they have artwork depicting these things that goes back.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, because if it's a fake then how are they depicting it?

02:32:50.000 Right, what is this?

02:32:51.000 Like did they have, look at the scans of the foot.

02:32:55.000 Go back to that.

02:33:00.000 It's almost like it defies the possibility of it being fraudulent.

02:33:08.000 It defies it.

02:33:09.000 It's like, make that.

02:33:11.000 Do show me how you can make that, where you can scan it and you see the tissue and the ligaments and the tendons and the cartilage and the joints, and they're not human-shaped.

02:33:22.000 Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

02:33:28.000 If these were real creatures that existed at one point in time alongside us, and they're just now finding them.

02:33:36.000 Now then you get to, you get into ultimate weird weirdness, because like, okay, what's the Nazca lines for? 0.99

02:33:41.000 Because that's the same part of the world.

02:33:43.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 And then there's another weird, like, artwork of, like, things that look alien in, you know, South America.

02:33:49.000 Well, there's one of the Nazca lines.

02:33:50.000 Looks like a fucking spacesuit.

02:33:52.000 Looks like a guy in a spacesuit.

02:33:53.000 And also, like, why would you make artwork that you can only see from the sky?

02:33:57.000 Yeah, that's always puzzled me about that.

02:33:59.000 Weird.

02:34:00.000 So weird.

02:34:01.000 The same part of the world where you're finding these things.

02:34:04.000 And they're all, they're, they're, like, perfectly done as well.

02:34:06.000 Yeah.

02:34:06.000 And they're perfect, like, you know, lines and shapes and weird.

02:34:11.000 And they keep finding new ones.

02:34:12.000 Yeah, they do.

02:34:13.000 Yeah.

02:34:13.000 It's very strange.

02:34:15.000 I mean, South America is just, you know, it's, I think South America and Egypt slash Turkey are the two kind of areas that are the most kind of, you know, mysterious.

02:34:24.000 And like there's so much going on there that I think we haven't quite acknowledged how much mystery there is still left.

02:34:30.000 And yeah, fascinating.

02:34:31.000 especially when you throw this in I mean I haven't really I haven't looked into this at all I'm gonna have to start watching Jasmine.

02:34:37.000 What is that?

02:34:38.000 What if they find out that's not a human at all?

02:34:40.000 Well, I mean, it doesn't look like a...

02:35:01.000 but it doesn't seem like it.

02:35:03.000 It seems like something different.

02:35:05.000 Also, what are you doing with three fingers?

02:35:08.000 You're operating electronics only.

02:35:09.000 Like, you ain't picking shit up.

02:35:11.000 You can't do anything.

02:35:12.000 You don't have opposable thumbs.

02:35:13.000 The idea that you have something that looks like us that doesn't have opposable thumbs, like Yeah, that's like a big evolutionary kind of a contagion.

02:35:20.000 What is this thing doing?

02:35:21.000 Yeah.

02:35:21.000 What are you doing?

02:35:22.000 Unless all you do is like put your hand on a machine and you control everything with telepathy and you control it just by touching it.

02:35:31.000 And you don't need, you know?

02:35:31.000 Yeah.

02:35:32.000 We maybe it gets to a point where we stop using our thumbs and they just fucking drift away.

02:35:37.000 We only need a couple of digits.

02:35:38.000 So what are like, what is like Jesse's theories on what?

02:35:41.000 Oh, their fingers have an extra digit too.

02:35:43.000 What does that mean?

02:35:45.000 So you know how, like, your finger bends in a certain way?

02:35:48.000 They have what is an extra phalange, what would you call it?

02:35:51.000 An extra little, you know, you have like one, two, three bones.

02:35:55.000 They have a fourth.

02:35:58.000 Fourth bone, so you could type quicker with the three fingers.

02:36:01.000 I don't fucking know.

02:36:02.000 But it's like, that's not us.

02:36:05.000 That's something weird.

02:36:06.000 The skull shape is weird, but it looks like a real thing.

02:36:09.000 Yeah, if that's real, that kind of, you know, changes everything.

02:36:13.000 Changes everything.

02:36:14.000 And you don't hear in the New York Times, you're not seeing in the New York Post, it's not in the Wall Street Journal, but they might have actually found a life form in mummified form that's not us, that looks a lot like these fucking aliens that people have been talking about since the beginning of time.

02:36:31.000 And why is no one talking about it except for Jesse?

02:36:34.000 I don't know, man.

02:36:35.000 Look at the x-rays of him.

02:36:35.000 Look at that.

02:36:37.000 Look at see how he has that extra little thing at the end.

02:36:39.000 That's an incredible fake if that's the fake.

02:36:41.000 That's not our fingers, man.

02:36:42.000 That's a little extra joint.

02:36:44.000 And it's not...

02:36:45.000 The fingers aren't even...

02:36:52.000 Those are weird.

02:36:54.000 That's something different.

02:36:54.000 That's not us.

02:36:56.000 That's bizarre.

02:36:57.000 Very bizarre.

02:36:59.000 Again, anybody who tells you that we know it all, they're full of shit.

02:37:04.000 If that's real, you don't know anything.

02:37:08.000 If that's real, if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on this thing and then someone figures out what it is and it's got different chromosomes than us and different DNA than us, like, now what?

02:37:24.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:37:25.000 Now what?

02:37:26.000 What are the chances we have got everything?

02:37:28.000 Because these people seem to think that we've got it all worked out now.

02:37:31.000 The chances are zero.

02:37:32.000 It's never been the case.

02:37:33.000 And we've always thought we've had it all worked out.

02:37:35.000 Throughout history, it's always like, oh, now we know the answers.

02:37:37.000 And it's always, there's always a major paradigm shift around the corner.

02:37:40.000 Exactly.

02:37:41.000 So what's around the corner now?

02:37:42.000 Exactly.

02:37:43.000 Something like this or the ancient civilization thing.

02:37:45.000 Yeah.

02:37:46.000 Well, it's so fun though.

02:37:48.000 It's really exciting.

02:37:49.000 It's a really exciting time to find things out because if this had emerged 50 years ago, 75 years ago, there's no Jesse Michaels.

02:37:58.000 There's no YouTube.

02:38:00.000 There's no podcast like this to talk about Jesse Michaels and send a bunch of people over to go watch it.

02:38:05.000 More people know, the better.

02:38:06.000 Let's like look at this.

02:38:08.000 This might be..

02:38:08.000 This is crazy.

02:38:11.000 And that's why it probably is coming out in this kind of day and age, because the incident has not been around for very long.

02:38:17.000 But why isn't MSNBC covering this?

02:38:20.000 Why isn't CNN covering this?

02:38:21.000 They should all be covering this.

02:38:22.000 They should all be going, look at these scans that this YouTuber, Jesse Michaels, did.

02:38:28.000 If this is true, this seems like something that's not a human being.

02:38:32.000 I know.

02:38:33.000 It's just too Aliens are real.

02:38:35.000 This is from 2017.

02:38:37.000 Someone had found just a hand.

02:38:40.000 Whoa.

02:38:41.000 It's obviously the same.

02:38:42.000 Bizarre, three fingered hand in 2017.

02:38:46.000 Mummified hand found in a tunnel in Peru.

02:38:49.000 It said these fingers had six bones.

02:38:52.000 Whoa.

02:38:54.000 Regular human bone has three.

02:38:56.000 Whoa.

02:38:59.000 Dude.

02:39:00.000 Mummified hand is made up of bone and skin, suggesting that it's not fake, unless it was somehow made using real bones, flesh, and skin.

02:39:06.000 But how would you fake it?

02:39:07.000 How would you do that a long time ago and mummify it?

02:39:10.000 Yeah.

02:39:11.000 It's all so strange.

02:39:13.000 And that part of the world, they've had stories about these kind of creatures forever.

02:39:17.000 That's why they have all this artwork about them.

02:39:20.000 Not only that, that is an exact replica.

02:39:22.000 Like when...

02:39:40.000 These police officers went to go and see this crash.

02:39:43.000 There was some sort of electrical storm.

02:39:45.000 And then they found this creature that seemed to have been injured from the craft.

02:39:52.000 The guy picks it up, takes it in his car.

02:39:55.000 They bring it to a hospital.

02:39:57.000 The hospital refuses to treat it.

02:39:59.000 They bring it to another hospital.

02:40:00.000 That hospital, they don't know.

02:40:03.000 what happened with the records or what happened, but they do know that the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure.

02:40:11.000 They said it smelled like sulfur and it had three fingers and three toes.

02:40:16.000 It looked like that thing.

02:40:18.000 It had a long head.

02:40:20.000 and this whatever this creature was that is you know mummified it looks exactly like what these people were talking about from this ufo crash in virginia brazil like it's a it's the entire folklore of the town they have a ufo when you enter into the town of virginia they have like this giant statue of There's still people alive to this day that live in that town that will tell you the story.

02:40:47.000 And you can go across town, you can go here.

02:40:50.000 They all have the same story.

02:40:51.000 There's multiple UFOs in the sky.

02:40:54.000 One of them crashed.

02:40:55.000 They found two creatures.

02:40:56.000 One of them was alive.

02:40:58.000 They think one of them was dead.

02:41:00.000 Whatever this crash site was, they bring in the movie moment, movie, excuse me, movie moment of contact, they bring this police officer to the site and he starts weeping.

02:41:09.000 Like if that guy's, if he's a liar, he's the greatest actor of all time.

02:41:13.000 The guy starts freaking out when he starts telling the story of what he found in the 1990s.

02:41:18.000 brings him back to that moment.

02:41:20.000 The women who saw the being, they're like in their forties now. 0.64

02:41:24.000 They were little girls when they saw it.

02:41:26.000 And they all have the same story.

02:41:27.000 And it matches.

02:41:28.000 Three-fingered, three-toed, looked like that.

02:41:31.000 Looked exactly like that.

02:41:33.000 Man, if I wasn't doing the ancient history thing, I'd love to talk about this stuff as well.

02:41:39.000 It might be the same thing.

02:41:40.000 Yeah, I mean, you never know.

02:41:42.000 You never know.

02:41:43.000 I'd love to make some connection.

02:41:45.000 But the thing is, I just don't want to give anyone more ammunition to come after me and shit.

02:41:48.000 They're probably coming after you, buddy.

02:41:51.000 They're probably coming after Melissa today.

02:41:52.000 Yeah, they're going to after all the nonsense that we've talked.

02:41:55.000 But it's fun to talk nonsonsense and this is definitely fun nonsense, but that body's not nonsense.

02:42:00.000 The Varginia thing I don't think is nonsense either.

02:42:02.000 It's weird that it's a really weird one.

02:42:04.000 That's kind of story, however long ago, matched to the mummified bodies.

02:42:08.000 That's weird.

02:42:09.000 Not just that, but biblical stories about creatures that are demons that smell like sulfur.

02:42:15.000 Yeah.

02:42:15.000 Right?

02:42:16.000 If you're terrified of something and you think you've decided that it's a demon because it's actually an advanced life form from somewhere else and it smells like sulfur, like whatever they have that got on this guy's skin that gave him this horrible bacterial infection, it's all documented.

02:42:31.000 The guy died.

02:42:32.000 He was a young, healthy soldier and he's dead within like a couple of weeks.

02:42:37.000 Yeah, that's not going to be.

02:42:39.000 They're giving him antibiotics.

02:42:40.000 This is the 90s.

02:42:41.000 This is not like the 80s.

02:42:42.000 Yeah, the 80s.

02:42:43.000 You know, they're treating him with modern medicine and he's fucked and he dies.

02:42:47.000 What the fuck?

02:42:48.000 And this is the guy that was carrying the alien.

02:42:48.000 Yeah.

02:42:50.000 Are you fucking kidding me?

02:42:52.000 Man, I need to look into this.

02:42:53.000 And it smells like sulfur?

02:42:55.000 And it looks exactly like a thing that's a real thing.

02:42:58.000 Yeah.

02:42:58.000 So they have a real mummy of these things?

02:43:00.000 See if you can just get an image, an artist's depiction.

02:43:00.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 So they had these kids describe what they saw.

02:43:06.000 And they drew this three fingered, three toed little, it was like almost like a purple looking thing.

02:43:14.000 Do you think that's linked in any way to all this kind of mysterious?

02:43:17.000 stone construction we find in South America that no one can really explain.

02:43:21.000 And here we go.

02:43:23.000 What is the image?

02:43:24.000 The thing that was curled up in the ground.

02:43:27.000 There's like an image.

02:43:28.000 Yeah, that one.

02:43:29.000 That one with the red eyes.

02:43:31.000 No, yeah, that one.

02:43:32.000 That's what it looked like.

02:43:34.000 Somebody actually made a sculpture of that.

02:43:37.000 What exactly it looked like and gave it to us.

02:43:39.000 We have it at the mothership.

02:43:41.000 But the thing is, if it was an alien, why would it look so human, if that makes sense?

02:43:44.000 Unless it came from this planet, I suppose.

02:43:46.000 Right.

02:43:46.000 But does it look human?

02:43:47.000 Well, maybe that's just like a constant thing when you evolve from primates.

02:43:55.000 I mean, there's a thing about the alien gray too that's always been like this archetype of what we eventually will become.

02:44:02.000 Look at the big, like, skinny limbs.

02:44:05.000 Yeah, so this is how those guys described it.

02:44:07.000 This is how they described what it looked like.

02:44:10.000 Man, that looks an awful lot like that creature.

02:44:13.000 The big eyes, the whole deal, the weird, spindly body.

02:44:18.000 That drawing right there where it's hunched over, the one to the right of your cursor.

02:44:22.000 Yeah, that's the one's my favorite.

02:44:24.000 Because it's like, what is it?

02:44:25.000 1996.

02:44:29.000 Like, I don't know.

02:44:31.000 I don't know what the hell that is, but what if it's real?

02:44:35.000 And what if those things in Peru are exactly that thing?

02:44:38.000 And what if, you know, this thing has visited human beings multiple times in history?

02:44:45.000 So would you say it's from another planet?

02:44:47.000 Who knows?

02:44:48.000 It might be from here.

02:44:49.000 That's why I think, if it's got the kind of similar, like, primate form.

02:44:54.000 It might look, if these things are, they're finding these mummified remains in Peru.

02:44:58.000 Clearly, it was here.

02:45:00.000 Why would we assume it's not from here?

02:45:02.000 Yeah.

02:45:03.000 Like maybe we just have a really inaccurate timeline of life on this planet.

02:45:07.000 And maybe some things went undersea, which sounds nuts.

02:45:12.000 But then there's all these fucking videos of things coming out of the water.

02:45:16.000 That's where I would hide if I was trying to hide.

02:45:19.000 Yeah.

02:45:20.000 I mean, if you've mastered gravity to the point where you create like a bubble around everything you are and you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever.

02:45:27.000 And they've clocked things going underwater that are going like 500 knots underwater.

02:45:32.000 I have no idea how it does that.

02:45:34.000 Yeah.

02:45:35.000 Well, it's all kind of, it's like this, I mean, you probably know more about this than me, but my only exposure to the kind of UAP thing was, was traditionally through, I'm a big fan of Blink 182 and there's Tom DeLong.

02:45:46.000 Oh, I've had Tom DeLong.

02:45:47.000 Yeah, you've had it more.

02:45:48.000 You've had him, you've had Travis on as well.

02:45:50.000 You need to get Mark on.

02:45:51.000 Yeah.

02:45:51.000 He's the third.

02:45:52.000 He's to complete the set.

02:45:53.000 I love Travis.

02:45:54.000 I've always I'm in a band.

02:45:55.000 I always I don't love Tom either.

02:45:57.000 I just thought he was crazy.

02:45:58.000 I thought he was crazy when I had him on before.

02:46:00.000 And now I'm like, damn, I think he might be on to something.

02:46:02.000 Well, he's so cool.

02:46:03.000 He's always been like an inspiration for me.

02:46:05.000 Like, I make music and he's been, you know, a big, you know, inspiration for me.

02:46:10.000 But he always got me into, he kind of got me into the UAP thing from a while ago.

02:46:14.000 Yeah.

02:46:14.000 He's all in.

02:46:15.000 But I do have to say that if I wanted, if I was the government and I wanted to spread a bunch of crazy stories about UFOs, I'd tell them to people like Tom.

02:46:25.000 I guess so, yeah.

02:46:26.000 And I tell them to people like me.

02:46:28.000 I mean, I think people do that on this podcast.

02:46:31.000 I think some of the information that gets shared on this podcast is probably bullshit.

02:46:36.000 To kind of like, you know, to harm the wars, yeah.

02:46:39.000 And to prime people for disclosure.

02:46:43.000 I think the if I was in charge and if I had done the Halputoff thing, you know what the Halputoff was assigned to do.

02:46:52.000 So they gave him a numerical value for all these different things that would be positively influenced by disclosure and negatively influenced.

02:47:01.000 And you assign a value, one through ten, to like what's going to happen to religion, what's going to happen to politics, banking, all that stuff.

02:47:08.000 And this was during the Bush administration.

02:47:10.000 So Bush essentially said to Hal Putoff, the Bush administration said, we have been working on a crash retrieval program.

02:47:19.000 We have vehicles that are not from this world.

02:47:22.000 We are not alone.

02:47:24.000 If we release this information to the general public and disclose it, what will be the negative impact?

02:47:32.000 What will be the positive impact?

02:47:33.000 Is it overall?

02:47:35.000 positive or is it overall negative?

02:47:37.000 And everyone, there was a bunch of different independent people that they assigned this task to.

02:47:43.000 Everyone came up with much more on the negative than on the positive.

02:47:46.000 So they decided not to disclose it.

02:47:48.000 This is how put off story.

02:47:49.000 I can't I can't tell you if it's true or not.

02:47:52.000 Yeah, but why do you think it was negative?

02:47:54.000 Just because it's like the impact.

02:47:56.000 Yeah, the shock.

02:47:57.000 The complete lack of any real faith in authority figures.

02:48:04.000 Like why would you listen to the president of the United States when there's fucking UFOs reading your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they're from?

02:48:15.000 Like all of our systems of power and control, they all go away.

02:48:20.000 Because we don't you're not in control anymore.

02:48:22.000 Clearly, the aliens are in control.

02:48:23.000 People would worship the aliens.

02:48:26.000 But do you think they're kind of like drip feeding us and then at some point that would come out?

02:48:29.000 But then isn't that going to happen anyway?

02:48:31.000 I don't think it's totally organized because I think most things in the government are not totally organized.

02:48:36.000 I guess.

02:48:37.000 I think there's a lot of chaos going on at all levels of the government.

02:48:40.000 I really believe that.

02:48:41.000 And to think that in this top secret UFO crash retrieval world, there's not a lot of chaos.

02:48:49.000 Just use chaos in everything.

02:48:51.000 There's chaos in the FBI.

02:48:53.000 They're having problems.

02:48:54.000 The CIA has its own problems.

02:48:56.000 Every organization has great people and a bunch of clowns and a bunch of nutty people that don't want to lose their positions of power and these little struggles, inter office bullshit in every organization with human beings.

02:49:08.000 So for sure, that's the same thing with UFO disclosure.

02:49:12.000 Yeah.

02:49:12.000 And then I think there's also the problem with if there really is a crash retrieval program and it's been going on for a long time and it's been going on without congressional oversight.

02:49:21.000 That means you've been lying and you've been misappropriating money.

02:49:24.000 You guys are jailed.

02:49:28.000 So what's the best way to, like, you gotta slowly trickle out the information and you gotta mix it up with a whole lot of bullshit, a whole lot of nonsense and then fly some drones over people and see how they respond.

02:49:41.000 There was something recently about that, wasn't it?

02:49:43.000 Yeah, the New Jersey thing.

02:49:44.000 Yeah.

02:49:44.000 There's giant drones over New Jersey and then they try to find them with fighter jets.

02:49:48.000 The lights would shut out and they would take off.

02:49:51.000 What was that?

02:49:52.000 How did they Who fucking know?

02:49:54.000 Yeah.

02:49:54.000 They just brush over that.

02:49:55.000 They say, Oh, it's ours.

02:49:57.000 Like they didn't even tell us exactly what was going on, but it was almost like a national emergency.

02:50:02.000 It was a national story.

02:50:04.000 It was I remember Trump saying that he was not going to go play golf in New Jersey because they were flying in New Jersey.

02:50:10.000 Was this pre election?

02:50:11.000 Was this before he became president?

02:50:13.000 I think Was it Biden?

02:50:15.000 I think it was during.

02:50:17.000 Was it during?

02:50:18.000 During, yes, I think it was December, January ish.

02:50:18.000 Yes.

02:50:22.000 I think it was December.

02:50:24.000 Late 2024.

02:50:25.000 I don't think he was the president yet.

02:50:27.000 No, he became president in January.

02:50:28.000 Right, right, right.

02:50:30.000 But was it post-election?

02:50:32.000 It was post-election, right?

02:50:33.000 All I can't remember is Mike Benz saying that this has happened a couple of years in a row and they were waiting for it to happen this year.

02:50:40.000 It did.

02:50:40.000 And then he also predicted it would just disappear a few weeks later and it did.

02:50:44.000 Yeah.

02:50:45.000 Like what was that?

02:50:46.000 Maybe it's just a grand show that they put on for us to distract us from some other stuff.

02:50:50.000 Maybe there's some banking fucking decisions that were going on at that time that we would probably have paid attention to.

02:50:56.000 Yeah.

02:50:56.000 Yeah, but look at the drones.

02:50:57.000 Yeah, no, that's a real thing.

02:50:59.000 Yeah, of course.

02:51:00.000 I would do that if I had some drones. 0.87

02:51:02.000 I was trying to pull off some shenanigans.

02:51:04.000 Couldn't it just be, you know, like advanced weapons or technology that, you know, we have or, you know, your government has that could...

02:51:15.000 It doesn't have to be alien just for it to be like more advanced than like the kind of public knows about, if that makes sense.

02:51:21.000 Yeah, most certainly.

02:51:22.000 I would imagine that a lot of what we're dealing with is advanced American military craft.

02:51:30.000 And probably done through some top secret research that was real shady.

02:51:36.000 Probably a lot of people spent a whole.

02:51:39.000 lot of money doing this stuff.

02:51:40.000 And there's probably some like this is people that have gone to S4 and talked about it.

02:51:47.000 You can't, it's all anecdotal, so you never really know if they're telling the truth.

02:51:50.000 But there have been people that have no reason to lie that say that they have technology that is forty, fifty years past anything that you can imagine right now.

02:51:59.000 And they already have it.

02:52:00.000 And they've been spending shit piles of money, making the wildest things that your mind can ever conceive of.

02:52:08.000 And they already have it.

02:52:09.000 And it probably looks super alien when they take it out.

02:52:12.000 Yeah.

02:52:13.000 I mean, why would they tell us what the most advanced thing they have is they wouldn't they wouldn't that's not going to be public information is it?

02:52:19.000 Exactly.

02:52:20.000 So even current history is confusing.

02:52:23.000 Yeah.

02:52:26.000 So the idea of you knowing exactly what happened five thousand years ago, shut up bitch. 1.00

02:52:30.000 You don't know.

02:52:31.000 You definitely don't know if you find a 12 million year old wheel like 300 million year old.

02:52:38.000 It's all too nuts.

02:52:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:52:40.000 We don't know what's going on now.

02:52:41.000 So how could we know what's going on?

02:52:43.000 So the wheel was 300 million years, but the car tracks.

02:52:45.000 The car tracks are what?

02:52:46.000 12 million years?

02:52:47.000 I don't know.

02:52:48.000 That's what this guy says anyway.

02:52:49.000 Listen, it's all fun.

02:52:51.000 It's all fun and it's very interesting.

02:52:53.000 And I'm really glad you're out there out there because I have binge watched your show.

02:52:57.000 You do a great job.

02:52:58.000 It's really informative and interesting and speculative and fascinating because I just love the subject and I think you just do a great job.

02:53:06.000 So I hope you get a lot of views and you keep doing it.

02:53:09.000 And I'm glad that you're doing it and I'm really glad that you came here.

02:53:12.000 Well, thank you, Joe.

02:53:13.000 I mean, it's been a great honor to be here, to be out.

02:53:15.000 And Austin, I've loved it.

02:53:16.000 It's incredible.

02:53:17.000 What an experience.

02:53:18.000 And yeah, it's been really fun talking to you and I'm super appreciative of the opportunity.

02:53:23.000 So thanks so much.

02:53:23.000 Yeah.

02:53:24.000 My pleasure.

02:53:25.000 So tell everybody how to find you.

02:53:27.000 Social media stuff.

02:53:29.000 Just put my name in.

02:53:30.000 I'm Michael Button and I'm on YouTube, I guess and they'll probably find me if I'm doing my job correctly that's me on the screen Michael Button won Michael Button won yeah there's someone else out there who's got my name yeah so don't go to Michael Button I'm not gonna go to Michael Button won that seems so silly yeah Fuck the other Michael Button come to me.

02:53:47.000 Maybe he's a nice guy.

02:53:48.000 Yeah, sure.

02:53:50.000 Yeah.

02:53:50.000 He's got your name.

02:53:50.000 All right.

02:53:51.000 Well, thank you brother.

02:53:52.000 Appreciate it.

02:53:52.000 Thank you guys for being here.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 20, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2368 - Michael Button

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