On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the boys talk about the Aztec Death Whistles, Bigfoot, time travel, and more. Joe is joined by comedian and friend of the show, Ed Eddings.
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00:00:12.000Art Bell was the best driving off from the comedy store at like one o'clock in the morning, hearing some dude claimed he was a time traveler.
00:00:19.000Remember when he, there was a dude that claimed to work at Area 51 and then it cut out, the radio show cut out?
00:00:31.000That's why we put that photo up there.
00:00:33.000Because he was, you know, a lot of the subjects that we covered, he was the original guy talking about these things on the radio.
00:00:38.000Yeah, and the fact that he just kept open lines, if you're a time traveler, if you're a time traveler, just call in and tell us what's going to happen in the future.
00:00:48.000People that were kidnapped by Bigfoot, like, no matter what, Art was like, interesting, tell me more.
00:02:39.000I mean, Aztec is a modern word for Mexica, which were a bunch of tribes that moved from northern, you know, northern America down there.
00:02:49.000And they brought with them a lot of customs, but I think those were around before them.
00:02:53.000You know, a lot of them emulated animals.
00:02:56.000So a lot of it was like shamanistic, people trying to infuse themselves with the spirit of an animal.
00:03:01.000So a lot of them, you know, have jaguar sounds coming out.
00:03:06.000But some of the ones that with the scream, apparently, they're more about the screeching owls that live down there.
00:03:13.000But they've been, like, people have told me, native people down there have told me that they were very much specifically kind of utilized for psychological effect.
00:03:26.000During these flower wars that they would have with the, I think the Clascaltechans, they had this agreement where they would go and try and capture people to bring back to the pyramid to sacrifice.
00:03:40.000And a way they would, you know, tire them is to blow those at night where they were encamped or the places where they were about to attack.
00:05:09.000I mean, it's so long and storied, and there's so many chapters of it that are very confusing because, like, where did the Mayas go?
00:05:18.000Like, when they found the Aztec pyramids, people weren't even living in them when the people that eventually ended up living in them, they found them.
00:05:28.000Teotihuacán, which they call the, it's basically the city of the gods is what the Aztecs called them because it was abandoned when they went through.
00:06:25.000most modern people don't even, I mean, especially in America, don't even understand that the reason why everyone speaks Spanish is because of the Spaniards.
00:06:33.000It's not that the Mexican native language was Spanish.
00:06:37.000No, it was a language they assumed once they were conquered.
00:06:40.000And there's a bunch of lost languages.
00:06:42.000Yeah, something interesting happened with them, and Hernan Cortes and the Conquista and the Spaniards are all perfect villains in history, I guess.
00:07:12.000It's not blonde-haired white people coming on that boat.
00:07:15.000There's already brown people on that boat coming.
00:07:19.000Hernan Cortes is very much painted as a villain in this story.
00:07:23.000But when you kind of look at the ways that the conquest took place in Mexico versus other parts of the world, there was a lot of brutality.
00:07:30.000There's a lot of ignorance, a lot of religious nonsense on both sides, because the Aztecs also did a lot of horrible things.
00:07:39.000But in the end, I think Mexico went the route of mestizaje.
00:07:46.000Like the Spanish decided to take wives among the natives.
00:07:50.000They decided to give honorary titles to the people that helped fight the Aztecs to help with the conquest of what wasn't Mexico, was just this valley at that time.
00:08:02.000This mixed culture that very much hates parts of itself, which is a weird part of Mexican culture.
00:08:09.000Because you ask anybody in Mexico, a lot of people, and I went to Mexican school, so I got a lot of this education of how the evil Spanish came and wiped out all of the natives, you know, or most of the natives, when in reality, you know, a lot of a lot of us in Mexico have mixed blood.
00:08:31.000So we were very much taught to hate ourselves in a way.
00:08:37.000And I think that has something to do with a lot of the psychology and the culture in Mexico.
00:08:42.000There's a whole part of our history and ourselves that we hate, but it's essential.
00:08:46.000Like we say, like, the president of Mexico, the past president, the current president, are all about sending the king of Spain letters to have them apologize for the conquista.
00:09:00.000And it's funny, like some of the bloggers from Spain will respond like, you're asking that in Spanish.
00:09:25.000If you've ever been to the Anthropological Museum in Mexico, which I highly ask people to go and visit, it's beautiful.
00:09:33.000They have a whole Mayan exhibit there.
00:09:36.000And it's, like, startling how their culture was so advanced, so detailed, so detailed orientated, and the whole feeling of them just being gone or like disappearing as a mystery.
00:09:49.000But then you go down there and you see these people there.
00:10:49.000But when I was there back in the day, you could climb up them.
00:10:52.000This is like, I guess, early 2000 and you were you were allowed to walk up that but they'll fuck you up now there's been videos of people doing things and then the locals they'll get lynched in the bottom if you manage to climb that thing right now.
00:11:06.000Yeah, people like there's a watch guy all the way up on top and a bunch of dogs always on that's a weird thing about old pyramids.
00:11:11.000I don't know why dogs like hang out up there.
00:11:14.000Yeah, like the one in the in the in the Sun Pyramid in Mexico, there's always dogs on top of it and this one there's also always dogs on top of it.
00:11:23.000Like we know, peril dogs or the rest of the wild dogs just hang up there.
00:11:27.000But I mean, when you see these things, like give us some of the images of when you see the some of these, there's some dogs.
00:11:35.000When you see some of these pyramids like that, like, that's so different.
00:11:43.000We had a really good guide there when I went, and the guide was showing us this one area where they would take whatever psychedelic plants.
00:11:52.000they had like some ceremonial room where they would take psychedelic plants.
00:11:56.000And he was telling me that And he thinks that had a lot to do with why they were able to make these kind of insanely complex structures.
00:12:18.000And a weird thing that I've also kind of realized after just talking to people and going down there and kind of seeing some of the artifacts, a lot of the psychedelics that they actually took were self-harm and mutilation, bloodletting type activities.
00:12:36.000Yeah, a lot of the Aztec priests, you see the pictures of them pulling a cord with thorns through their private parts.
00:12:48.000trying to, trying to, uh, trying to invoke in them these, uh, I don't know, visions.
00:12:57.000So just being in such extreme pain, in such a bizarre state of mind that you try to transcend?
00:13:03.000Yeah, which is, which matched up perfectly with some of the Catholic worldviews when they, when they arrived.
00:13:11.000When you, when you look at a lot of the culture, specifically in Mexico, you see that they met, they met, they met kind of like a perfect culture.
00:14:14.000And then you go there and there's like stone skull piles commemorating whatever war and depictions of them in codices that they themselves made of just getting sacrificed people on top of pyramids, pulling out their hearts.
00:14:30.000Well, that was that one statue that's on top of the pyramid that's like a bench.
00:14:35.000They were explaining to me that that's where they would sacrifice people.
00:14:42.000Even the way that in the art it's depicted, you can't fake that.
00:14:47.000Most people would think you'd go through the rib cage to get at the heart.
00:14:50.000No, they go through the diaphragm right down here.
00:14:52.000So that's why there's a lot of depictions of some of these gods, like Mikan Tlicutli, which is the lord of the underworld in the Aztecs.
00:14:59.000Sometimes it's depicted with a skeletal form with its hands spread out like this, and you'll see a split diaphragm on the bottom coming out underneath its ribcage as a signifier that, you know, that's...
00:15:13.000That's where they go up to grab the heart.
00:15:15.000Show that sculpture, that sculpture, that flat bench sculpture that is like a man.
00:15:21.000It looks like he's sitting on his hands and knees, but with his, you know, torso faced upward, that one.
00:15:28.000Yeah, that was the one they were explaining to me.
00:15:31.000And again, I imagine that a lot of these things, I mean, you have to interpret because there's there's things out there that I don't understand.
00:15:39.000But I know blood was very essential and it was an essential thing for these cultures.
00:15:44.000It's one of the most powerful offerings you can make.
00:15:47.000And a lot of the Catholic side of things that came into this area just intermingled perfectly.
00:15:54.000They were also talking about a god that...
00:16:04.000Where the capital of Mexico is right now, there's a big cathedral behind it.
00:16:09.000There's the Templo Mayor, the major temple of the Aztec Empire.
00:16:13.000And there's a lot of those types of symbols around, just skulls, because that's where they would have the Sempantli, I think it was called.
00:16:22.000They would have these racks of skulls on top of the pyramids, on top of their central pyramid, kind of displaying all of the people that had gone off it.
00:17:14.000We're monkeys and we probably have some genetic medicine.
00:17:18.000We have memory of what that smell is and it makes us want to run, I guess.
00:17:21.000And they describe the smell on some of these pyramids when they when they when they got into the city.
00:17:28.000The city don't get me wrong, the Aztec Empire, like these Spanish peasants coming off that boat were like awestruck of when they saw this city.
00:18:55.000Yeah, you can see where the blood was was channeled to drip down from that.
00:19:00.000I think I think this is I'm not sure if this is the one, but there was one stone where they would tie someone onto the stone and he would fight several people until he finally died.
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00:21:08.000That's dr a spectacle and I'm sure it keeps Yeah, there they go, sacrificing people and then throwing their bodies off the side.
00:21:18.000Yeah, and people keep denying that that actually happened, but it's I think it's the same phenomenon you get in the US where all Native Americans were peaceful and it was like a utopia before they came in.
00:23:08.000And also, like, if you think about it, some of the horrors that are still happening down south, which is we sent me this message last night of these six or seven.
00:23:43.000And it's a safe or not a historically safe part of Mexico that where this type of stuff doesn't happen that much, but things are changing rapidly down there.
00:23:56.000it's evolving quickly the and the the The culture that we have down there, I don't know.
00:24:08.000Like, I do believe that there's some sort of genetic memory.
00:24:35.000Yeah, it's beautiful, but this is Don't be there at the wrong time.
00:24:39.000Just don't work for the cartels, I guess.
00:24:42.000The act, so this is an interesting thing that I heard long ago from somebody.
00:24:50.000One of the first jobs I did was cut somebody off a bridge.
00:24:54.000And one of the older guys that was with me, I was like horrified by this kid, you know, 16, 17 year old kid told me, oh, they're being kind.
00:25:09.000Then I'm like, what's kind about leaving somebody hanging from a fucking bridge naked?
00:25:14.000His family's going to get something to bury at least.
00:25:18.000So it dawned on me that that was an act of kindness.
00:25:22.000So having somebody beheaded is even so normal.
00:25:30.000And there's a lot of coffins with just a head or not even that in Mexico buried in the ground.
00:25:35.000But just think of how insane it has to be to where hanging someone from a bridge is an act of kindness because at least you could find the body.
00:25:43.000It is the evolution of what is considered normal in Mexico.
00:26:29.000I think the first time people would start getting an inkling of this was in the nineties when the phenomenon of this guy, Adolfo Constanzo, happened.
00:26:37.000This was on the this was on the border between Texas and Juarez area.
00:26:42.000He was a they called him the Narco Satanico, the Satanist Narco.
00:26:56.000people like in cartels and he started his own cartel because he was pretty successful at social engineering and and folk magic basically is what he was doing and at some point he started believing in in his power, and he instructed some of the members of his gang to abduct an American because he needed a brain for his cauldron where he would do some of these rituals.
00:27:19.000And I think that's the first time Americans got a little, like a small glimpse of the underground brutality, monster, religious occultism, and just torture and murder that has been going on down there for many years.
00:27:39.000But it has gotten really bad in the past twenty, thirty years.
00:27:47.000Brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while.
00:27:50.000But cartel brutality, like when did the cartels really start gaining power?
00:27:54.000I think the 70s, 70s and 80s is when we start seeing the formation of the first large organizations and federations that are working to produce and or to traffic substances through Mexico up into the United States.
00:28:20.000They were planting poppy in the Sierra for the war effort, apparently, for the Americans, because they were running out of morphine, so they needed a place to plant it.
00:28:32.000And that's one of the places where they kind of started like, oh, you can grow this here.
00:29:09.000And coincidentally, a lot of people got insanely rich somehow or another connected to that.
00:29:15.000But we had to be over there to stop communism or something.
00:29:19.000And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam because it has something to do or elements of it remind you of Mexico.
00:29:27.000It is, Mexico has been a place that has been ruled over by a single party for eighty years, if that, the PRI.
00:29:38.000And then it went through its democratic period and now we have other parties coming into play.
00:29:44.000And now you have a ruling party all over Mexico called Morena, who is, you know, this is the party of the Avarazos Novarazos, that's how they started, you know, hugs not bullets against the cartel's policy, which allowed them to grow.
00:30:18.000That's where all the gender pronouns get issued into law.
00:30:20.000That's where violence against women specifically and feminicide is now a new thing cataloged under the law.
00:30:28.000You can kill a dude, you're fine, but if you kill a woman, that's feminicide, which is way worse.
00:30:33.000So that's where a lot of that policy comes from.
00:30:37.000And then northern Mexico, where I'm from, that's where, I guess, conservative, that's where all the factories are.
00:30:45.000That's where all the people, the hardworking people and people that kind of like go the other side of the politics that are woke.
00:30:53.000That used to be the case, but now Morena's ruling all over the country.
00:30:58.000And a lot of the policy they're bringing with them are, you know, to the left.
00:31:04.000Mexico was very tired from the drug war that had been going on for twenty years that I was a part of for twelve of those years.
00:31:13.000They saw Felipe Calderón bring the military into this fight to fight the cartels and just kicking a giant beehive.
00:31:20.000He had, realistically, he really didn't have a clue what he was about to kick off.
00:31:27.000He had the idea that if you just put the military out, which are not corrupted, well, he thought they were not corrupted, and you militarized a lot of the police going on around it, you can eliminate all these cartel members like, oh, this guy's gone, this guy's gone, and we're just going to secure this area and control.
00:31:45.000But it's been just basically gremlins, you know.
00:31:49.000One gremlin will turn into four or five.
00:31:51.000You cut one head off and it's a hydra.
00:31:56.000So Mexico has been going through that for a while.
00:31:58.000And then this president comes in, Manuel López Obrador, with this plan, like, we'll just leave him alone and they'll stop violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them.
00:32:14.000He has one of the most violent presidencies in history.
00:32:19.000His main criticism is Calderon, who started this drug war over his handling of it.
00:32:25.000He outmatches him from death during his administration.
00:32:30.000What we saw in his administration was the politicization and they were already in politics, but now they're really overt about it.
00:32:38.000Now cartels are like they have their own candidates running for office.
00:32:43.000The mayor of a city and the police chief of a city, they're all cartel members and the police force they're all cartel members in parts of Mexico oh boy all of the political killings that happen in Mexico don't happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedy's out there that are trying to change things right it's because that cartel is sponsoring that candidate and this cartel is sponsoring that candidate so I don't want your candidate to win so I'm gonna go shoot him well there was some insane amount of murders during the last election wasn't it like thirty plus murders see if you can find out how many murders
00:33:13.000there was that sounds about that's what it sounds about right it is again these criminal organizations have politicized they figured out that you know how can we operate in this region without having too many issues?
00:33:34.000We like to think that we're innocent here, but how much different is it with what we do with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people?
00:33:42.000Because they pay for people's campaigns and those people get in with a specific understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through, what kind of mandates you need to make in terms of mandating the use of certain medications.
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00:35:20.000And it is a clear sign that whatever division people had in their heads about the cartels or this organization here, and they're not openly at least involved in any of this political stuff.
00:36:33.000And a lot of the bigger, older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up by this figure, El Mayo Sambada, who in 50 years was never arrested, never grabbed, never caught.
00:36:44.000You would hear about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew that guy is the head of the Sinaloa Cartel, or he's the bigger guy in that organization, which is a federation of groups.
00:36:57.000Last time I was here, it was after the Culte Canaso, the incident where they rescued Ovidio, one of El Chapo's sons.
00:37:07.000Two years ago, they finally got up to him.
00:37:12.000All the cartels burned the city, blocked roads and stuff like that.
00:37:16.000A lot of special operation soldiers died in his arrest, a few of them.
00:37:22.000And he was finally arrested and extradited to the United States.
00:37:26.000Conversations probably happened with him in the United States with a video when he was finally in US custody.
00:37:33.000And El Chapo Guzman is in a hole and he's not going to get out of the hole.
00:37:38.000His sons probably figured out that if they don't want to get into a hole too, they probably need to cut a deal.
00:37:44.000And I think, and the theory is, that that deal probably included handing over the head of the Sinaloa cartel, Mayo Zambada.
00:37:52.000Sawed by U.S. law enforcement for more than two decades, he was taken into custody after arriving in a private plane at Texas airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez.
00:38:03.000Guzman Lopez has pleaded not guilty to federal drug trafficking charges in Chicago.
00:38:09.000His brother, Avidio Guzman Lopez, pleaded guilty last month.
00:38:14.000Zambada said that he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the U.S. by Guzman Lopez, whose lawyer denies those claims.
00:38:20.000So this is the shady stuff that happened.
00:38:24.000El Mayo gets brought into a meeting in Sinaloa by Joaquin, who is, he's not one of the, he's not really into the drug, he's not one of the powerful brothers of the Chapo Guzman brothers that are in the drug trade.
00:38:42.000He's kind of like wanting out, basically.
00:39:03.000The governor of Sinaloa was going to be in the meeting with El Mayo Zambada, the head of Sinaloa cartel, who is a member of Morena, the current ruling party all over the country.
00:39:11.000Also, he's still in power, which is shady as fuck.
00:39:14.000Between him and a man named Gwen, who was, I think he was the director of the university there.
00:39:21.000They had some sort of political dispute and El Mayo was being brought in to, I don't know, negotiate or influence that, which tells you a lot about how the cartels and and politics and the universities are tied right At that meeting, Nemesia Gwen, who is Gwen, who is a friend of El Mayo, the guy who's the director of the university, gets killed.
00:40:40.000Got El Mayo on a plane and flew him into Texas.
00:40:45.000Homeland Security was apparently involved.
00:40:47.000FBI says that they may have been involved.
00:40:51.000But I was talking when last time I was here was talking about at some point we're going to see either a direct U.S. intervention or military action in Mexico that's going to kick off things.
00:41:06.000After that happened, El Chapo Guzman's sons cut deals.
00:41:11.000Seventeen members of the Guzman family were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the border with suitcases and were put into FBI vans and suitcases.
00:41:57.000He's not going to spend life in prison.
00:42:01.000El Chapo Guzman went to— Which is wild.
00:42:05.000When you think about how long he was running shit and how many people died and how many drugs got— He learned his tradecraft from—he learned his tradecraft in L.A. Here it is.
00:43:53.000all of the luxury environment around these criminal organizations that they built up.
00:43:59.000I mean, these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton stores and click on, you know, and exotic cars being sold in these dealerships and all of the bands that would play live music at their places and all these exotic seafood places, all these places just...
00:44:24.000This economy started crashing and it's the Mexican government comes out, the president, the presidenta, the current president, Shane Baum comes out and she blames this state being on fire, the US.
00:44:43.000Like the US came in here and abducted.
00:46:44.000We talked to a kid that was six months out of working with what is currently, I think, priority number one should be priority number one for the US, the new generation cartel.
00:46:56.000This militarized cartel out of Jalisco that has been with this war going on between the Sunilama factions, I mean, it's Christmas for them.
00:47:06.000So when we went down there, he introduced us to this kid who was freshly off basically he was involved in tank warfare on the borders between Jalisco and Zacatecas against Los Mayos, who you see there firing at these houses.
00:48:13.000You have to ram them with the back of the truck.
00:48:15.000So they'll just go into like this destruction derby in the hills and shoot at each other until there's a clear winner is what they do basically.
00:48:25.000And their main weapons are 50-caliber rifles.
00:48:29.000So they'll be in the back of the truck and they'll like, now, now, now.
00:48:33.000And they'll just, somebody's on radio inside the cabin trying to call out what's going on.
00:49:03.000This kid walked us through how he was all the way from his recruitment, through his training, through this tank warfare thing that they sent him on, and now into his life where he was like, why I laughed about your question about hearing protection is I was the first person that showed him what tinnitus was and what hearing loss was.
00:49:23.000Because he kept like, what did you say?
00:49:25.000It's like, hey, dude, do you have hearing loss?
00:49:28.000Like, no, like, I just, like, dude, you have severe hearing loss from what you went through.
00:52:09.000He gets driven to one of these ranches, these training camps.
00:52:14.000And it's not like, you know, I remember seeing the Al Qaeda training camps or the guys on the monkey bars and stuff like that.
00:52:20.000These are military compounds that are in the Sierras and the mountains.
00:52:27.000There was a case recently where they thought they found these masked graves that turned out to be actually training camps.
00:52:31.000There were dead people there, but they found all these shoes that they were calling them Mexican Auschwitz.
00:52:38.000But what they actually found is a processing space.
00:52:41.000Like you go there and they strip off all your clothes and your shoes and they leave them there because they give you new shoes because they don't want to be tracked.
00:52:48.000So it was one of those processing places.
00:52:50.000So then you end up in some of the training camps.
00:52:56.000He describes active duty military personnel training them in the hills.
00:53:02.000Mexican military personnel training them in the hills.
00:53:06.000Former special operators from Colombia.
00:53:09.000Some former special operators from Mexico.
00:53:14.000There's rumors and again, I have not talked directly to anybody that knows of that, that's had eyes on them, but there are rumors of at least two American specialists of some sort, because I've heard Delta Forests and SEALs and I don't know.
00:53:32.000But there is a clear communication of methods and technology.
00:54:04.000Colombian operators have been showing up in weird parts of the world fighting.
00:54:07.000I mean, they're in the Ukrainian war right now learning about drone technology.
00:54:12.000Some of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in the Ukrainian front are now back in Mexico showing the cartels what they learned about drone warfare in the Ukrainian war.
00:54:22.000So this kid describes this training camp where it's the army.
00:54:26.000People are marching around, people are in uniform, people are getting trained, and they'll get people brought into this training camp and like, hey, let's see if you're worthy.
00:54:37.000And they'll give you a a gun and, like, kill.
00:54:44.000And this kid describes how he that's the first dude he killed, just an unarmed dude that he was dragged into that camp.
00:54:51.000So they just drag a dude just to see if you're capable of taking one of them.
00:54:54.000I think he was one of the guys that tried to run.
00:54:58.000Because it's, it's, I mean, it's like, it's, I say, it's like the military, but they'll kill you there if you fuck it up or they'll beat you, or they'll beat you, flog you.
00:56:49.000I think he managed to prove himself a bit and he managed to get the favor of one of their leaders and he told them like, hey, I know you're gonna want a beer.
00:58:26.000There are thousands, thousands of kids like that out there who have gone through some of these things, Both on the military and police side and also the cartel side.
00:58:33.000Highly traumatized individuals that just, but there's no, there's nothing for them down there.
00:58:39.000If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble.
00:58:42.000If they look for help, there's no help out there.
00:58:44.000So this kid is trying to reform his life with all this fucking damage in him.
00:58:49.000He lost his family that he fought so much to get back to.
00:58:59.000It's just one small story and tragedy of, but you go to Jalisco and they have a roundabout there in Jalisco.
00:59:08.000It's Los de Zaparecillos where the missing are.
00:59:11.000And it's covered in posters of missing people in Guadalajara.
00:59:16.000It is like one of those zombie movies where they have all these, like the, where all the missing people posters on them because zombie outbreak happened.
01:00:00.000I was in Coahuila working with a tactical group out there.
01:00:08.000They showed me, I mean, I'm always learning from people.
01:00:12.000Different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies.
01:00:15.000some just burn them just throw a fleet of fuel on them to see if they can burn in this part of the country called wheeler which is on the east side of the country they And diesel can get really hot without igniting.
01:00:32.000And that's where they put the bodies inside.
01:00:34.000Basically, boil them down to their essential essence.
01:00:38.000And there's nothing to find, is what they tell me with that process.
01:00:52.000And then you go to Tijuana, where I'm from, and then you got the phenomenon of a Pozolero who would get rid of people with caustic soda, just a mixture of chemicals that you could find at a hardware store and they would make people into pink slurry and they just dump the pink slurry in a hole and just cover it up.
01:01:11.000So the numbers that we see as far as dead and missing, it's not a real number.
01:01:22.000It is a place where you'll go into some towns and there's just a bunch of old men and females because all the men are gone.
01:01:31.000Or you'll see these abandoned graves in some place.
01:01:38.000I talked to a lady who's a these organizations all over the country right now, there are grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding clandestine body disposal places.
01:01:49.000They're looking for their family members, basically.
01:02:09.000High concentrations of ash suggest the presence of clandestine crematoriums.
01:02:13.000Yeah, bodies were disposed of there, not at the volume of an Auschwitz level thing, but yeah, there were definitely people getting burned there.
01:02:23.000So they're just killing people all the time.
01:02:26.000Yeah, I mean, body disposal to a level where there's nothing left is something you do in a place where you're worried about the government catching you.
01:02:33.000But this is Guadalajara, this is Hollis because this new generation cartel territory, they're not worried about bodies being found.
01:02:42.000There's no forensic services in some of these places are like, here's some spent casings from this murder.
01:04:12.000And the federal police apparently tipped off his security about the operation against him.
01:04:17.000It's the second time he was almost arrested.
01:04:19.000He's the biggest target right now in Mexico.
01:04:24.000We recently learned through the media of Trump's authorization of utilizing military action in Latin America in general, all the way from Venezuela, all the way up to Mexico.
01:04:37.000And you hear these rumblings of like, how is this military operation going to look like?
01:05:23.000With the example of the recent almost arrest of Nenecio Cervantes Lomencho, you see that the federal forces are compromised as well.
01:05:31.000So like, who do you trustust as an American force that is trying to cut the stem of drugs into this country is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation.
01:05:48.000I posted, I'm friends with a bunch of dork's, and they're all looking at flight tracker and intelligence and stuff like that, and I'm a dork too.
01:05:57.000And one of them sent me this suspicious.
01:06:01.000drone, American drone flying over the state of Mexico in circles.
01:06:38.000It seemed like he didn't or either he didn't want to reveal this drone or but there have been many times recently of drones just flying close to the close to the border or over over Mexico.
01:06:51.000They're clearly drawing a map, an intelligence map of targets in Mexico.
01:07:07.000Speaking to somebody like Gafe down in Mexico, he was a former member of the Special Operations.
01:07:14.000And I asked him like, hey, what is the military going to do with the USS?
01:07:18.000Like, we're going in without your approval.
01:07:21.000He said, well, if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters.
01:07:35.000And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways because some of them are working for them and some of them are working for us.
01:07:41.000So you will make the whole a cohesive force against you.
01:08:24.000Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that, who's part of your party, but you haven't figured out how to get him out of office.
01:08:49.000And so Mexico has pressed the whole the US is responsible for this.
01:08:55.000And they're kind of wiping their hands from it.
01:08:57.000And the US keeps pointing their finger at the high level government, which is something again, five years ago I spoke about this on this podcast and I got a lot of shit for it.
01:09:07.000I said, there's no way of going after cartels in Mexico without going after the government.
01:09:13.000Because they're one and the same in a lot of places.
01:09:17.000And now it's even more clear as to how tied they are.
01:09:21.000If nothing happens, if the United States doesn't do anything how much bigger can the cartels get this is the question it's like yeah what is going to happen to just this entire country that if you have a if you have and this is what that's why you have a lot of conflicts happening in routes that are leading towards the border the Sinaloa cartel operated in a very old-fashioned
01:09:51.000way You know, they wouldn't no cagas and de comas.
01:10:41.000killed her and abducted his kids and threw them off a bridge and sent that video to Alawed Obama.
01:10:49.000And I think after, I mean, brutal shit had happened after that, before that, but I think that set off this.
01:10:59.000At some point, that whole war that happened, you know, you start getting the elements of the Zetas coming in who were former special operator guys who basically said like, we can start our own cartel, which a lot of them were Fort Bragg trained individuals that went down to, yeah, some of them.
01:11:46.000against gang violence, which is very reminiscent of some of the stuff that happened up here during the gang era or some of the Al Capone era, shootouts between people.
01:12:30.000They started realizing that, yeah, it's one thing to have a kid with sneakers on the back of a truck with an AK whose dad was part of the organization and he brought his kid in but it's probably a better idea to have militarized or paramilitary groups working with us you know so they started getting these evolutions of ideas of what a criminal organization should be um and all of that you know um the members of the new generation cartel that is now kind of like dominating mexico started off as a zeta
01:13:00.000hunting force by the that the zina law cartel formed in Jalisco and they said like well we can do this for ourselves now too as well so that's how they originated in a lot of ways so this organization has taken the textbook learning process of all these other cartels and is now this cartel with all this foundation,
01:13:20.000educational foundation as far as how to set up an organization, how to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate on both sides of the border, how to augment their capabilities constantly through technology.
01:13:35.000Drown warfare was first seen, I think, in Mexico.
01:13:40.000You saw drones dropping bombs and shit like that in Mexico before the Ukrainian conflict.
01:14:59.000They look like space guns, but in the hands of a cartel guy wearing sandals, which is what the fuck's going on with these people?
01:15:08.000So you start seeing all this augmentation of capability.
01:15:12.000This single cartel now has all of this history behind it, all of these lessons behind it, all this training behind it, all this technology, and it is poised to make punch a hole right through its territory and go up north into the United States, right?
01:15:29.000There are no segments of the border wall currently that are actually controlled and or a city that is controlled by the new generation cartel that is on the border.
01:15:57.000And his faction of Los Chapitos, as they call themselves, this past year announced that they had reached an alliance with this new cartel, this new generation cartel.
01:16:08.000So it's now a cohesive force and they had historical ties and a part of the border that they owned already that they inherited from their father.
01:16:17.000So that nightmare scenario having this cartel now having a clear doorway into the United States is pretty close if it's not there already.
01:16:26.000And how wild would it be if the border was still wide open?
01:16:30.000Because they've cut down on illegal immigrants by some high 90 percent.
01:17:50.000Mexicans view any sort of intervention by the United States with fear.
01:17:56.000Although they are also fearful of what happens if this is allowed to continue in Mexico, and they don't see any solutions from the government.
01:18:18.000You know, this arrest of Amara Zambada, this violence What's worrying in the eyes of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans, I guess, the, you know, the fact that there was a promise of no negotiating with terrorists, or at least it's something that is assumed, you know, you don't negotiate with terrorists.
01:18:50.000But all of a sudden, one of these factions just made a deal, and now they're negotiating with them, and now all these people are crossing that border.
01:18:56.000Their family members are crossing that border, and now in the safety of the United States.
01:19:02.000The dude that the United States made a deal with is responsible for the death of a few special operators that were a part of his arrest.
01:19:09.000What are they going to tell their families of that loss and why they died?
01:19:15.000And also the piles of bodies that were around after both of his arrest attempts.
01:19:39.000A few guerrilla forces in Central America have come out and said that she's one of her that she was one of the resistance fighters with them.
01:20:29.000but he kept talking about conservatives and the previous parties, but all the Moreno Party is made up of all these other politicians just switching sides and joining his party.
01:22:23.000So they do these mass swarm operations on some of these places where they arrest a police chief, they arrest the mayor.
01:22:29.000They're that this is, he realizes that this is the front that he has to now fight because the cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore.
01:22:39.000They're inside, they're infiltrated, they're in politics, you know.
01:22:43.000And people think about drugs only, but drugs only, these cartels are fighting for what you call as well, fuel trafficking.
01:22:56.000If you go to Chipotle and order extra guacamole, you're putting money in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the Familia Michoacana.
01:23:08.000And the fuel theft side of it, the guachicola is what they call it in Mexico, is interesting, but that catches, that puts in a lot of people in the United States that have been involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from Mexico by some of these criminal organizations, putting it on a ship and then doing a lot of magic with the paperwork and then it ended up ending up in the US and money exchanging weird hands.
01:23:34.000So that's another side of it that people don't kind of realize.
01:23:41.000Mexican authorities seized nearly 4 million gallons of stolen fuel, AP News.
01:23:47.000This has been going on for years and again, another part of the way they finance themselves and these criminal organizations have been able to grow without...
01:26:01.000The, I think Mexico was on its, Mexico is probably the, if you can invest in any country in the world right now, I think Mexico would be it.
01:26:34.000I think we're a point a tipping point where the Mexican culture as in general is like sick of it.
01:26:40.000Like it doesn't want this yet anymore.
01:26:43.000We're seeing attacks on freedom of expression in Mexico in a way because some of these popular singers that would sing cartel songs are now banned from performing them live.
01:26:55.000So that's like an attack on freedom of speech.
01:27:00.000population is pretty cool with it though they're letting it slide so it means that they're they're kind of like ready to give up it became an issue in America right where there was a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the country and he has these huge sold out arena shows yeah I mean again I talked about how if you're gonna attack these organizations you have to attack all of these or like just like Just like you attack Al-Qaeda,
01:27:26.000you attack who finances them, who, and a lot of these organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to launder money or to gain influence in the US or to sing about their exploits.
01:27:38.000They would pay them to sing about their exploits.
01:27:39.000So when this designation came down, it was clear that some of these guys were on the chopping block.
01:27:44.000This terrorist designation came down from the US government.
01:27:47.000It's clear that some of these singers are going to be on the chopping block.
01:28:01.000He was killed in a parking lot yester yesterday oh wow musicians celebrated jug cartel exploits in the song shot dead in parking lot in Mexico oh yeah yeah this is yesterday yeah Enigma was this today the Enigma exists 24 wow this is the singer yeah and the group Enigma yeah he used to hang out with Mayo Sambana and El Chapo Guzman and talk about it openly on podcast in Mexico and You know,
01:28:29.000that's another phenomenon that's currently happening.
01:28:34.000Since it was so normalized in Mexico, just a bunch of YouTubers started popping up like, I'm a cartel YouTuber.
01:28:39.000I'm going to talk about cartel stuff on YouTube.
01:28:42.000And they've been getting when the when the when the Chapitos and the Mayos started fighting over Sinaloa those Mayos put a plane up and started dispersing pamphlets with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that they that they knew were helping out the the Chapitos faction or they were working with them.
01:29:08.000And they've been going down that list.
01:29:12.000They recently killed one one dude at his house who was talking about cartels, you know.
01:29:42.000Like he was all over social media in Mexico and even regular media in Mexico talking about the cartels.
01:29:51.000As of Sunday, no arrest had been reported.
01:29:54.000No, somebody just walked into his house with a ski mask and shot him through the bathroom door when you tried to hold it shut.
01:30:00.000And this is, these are all signs that the populace in Mexico, independently of cartels, just the general mass of Mexico, is this the tipping point.
01:30:37.000Just like doing really quick math in my head of like approximations of how many new generation cartel members are apparently out there, which there's no real way of knowing, but there are formulations.
01:30:54.000During the height of the war, how many Taliban were in Afghanistan?
01:30:58.000And then you see these organizations, I mean, there's the people fighting out there, the people in charge, the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the people that are running the shell companies, the people that are running the actual companies, because these cartels own companies, you know?
01:31:27.000So we were we spent trillions of dollars, we were there for 20 years in Afghanistan for 60,000 dudes that were hiding out in the mountains.
01:31:37.000And then we left and we left behind Black Hawk helicopters, tanks.
01:31:41.000And a lot of those firearms are showing up in Mexico.
01:32:55.000We started see, just imagine, I'm in my twenties back then, and we're getting shootouts and people are running around with guns and stuff like that.
01:33:04.000It's mostly like AR fifteen s, AK forty seven, some of them are really rusty and old.
01:33:10.000you know, old Naringo rifles from China, just weird firearms.
01:33:14.000And all of a sudden you start finding people with 50 caliber Barrett rifles with scopes on them, zeroed in, in the box with munitions.
01:33:24.000And then you look at the box where they came in and you see a label that says Arizona on it.
01:33:43.000It's a high-velocity round that comes in them.
01:33:46.000It was kind of fabricated in the Cold War to fight Russians invading Europe and they wanted to be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols and small subguns that they might have in urban areas.
01:33:58.000So we start seeing those and just a massive amount of firearms being delivered specifically to the Sinaloa cartel groups in the area that we're working with.
01:34:09.000Where are all these things coming from?
01:34:11.000Apparently in the U.S. During the Bush administration, they started an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw purchased in places like Arizona and other parts of the U.S. by individuals being gathered by cartel members, put into cars and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels.
01:34:35.000Eric Holder was very involved in all this.
01:34:38.000Their plan or theory was we're going to track these guns when they go down to Mexico.
01:34:44.000But nothing got tracked, or at least we don't know of anything that got really tracked or any high level arrest made because of the guns that they they were just allowed to.
01:35:07.000Why would they want to destabilize them them in in such an immoral way that they needed this to happen so badly they were willing to give them weapons to kill each other.
01:35:18.000I mean, it's it's it's it's back then it was a Sinaloa cartel trying to fight control over the area over some people that were coming in like the Zetas and other organizations and I don't know why why would you send guns to this specific region?
01:35:32.000I'm not I'm not saying that the US purposely armed a single cartel in Mexico.
01:35:37.000But that's what it kind of looks like.
01:35:45.000And this is what we saw because, you know, a lot of the things that they were – because it looked like a laundry list.
01:35:51.000Some of the stuff that they were bringing down – 50 cal – why do you think 50 cal armors started getting – like were so hot and still aren't so hot?
01:36:00.000It's because people started doing armor.
01:36:02.000So they needed a way of getting through armor.
01:36:07.000And Americans, especially some of my American military and police friends, are always making fun of the fact that none of these big-ass rifles have any sights on them.
01:37:03.000They were doing a protection detail down there.
01:37:05.000One of them was a border patrol agent assigned to this, Ryan Terry.
01:37:12.000They set up a foundation in his memory and I think I raised like a few grand for this foundation.
01:37:18.000And I did that only as a point to like be able to say, hey, yeah, I raised this money for this foundation to honor this fallen police officer that was going that was in Mexico that was killed by American guns that were given to the cartels.
01:37:31.000to bring attention to the fact that we know who Ryan Terry is, but do we know who my friends are who were killed by these guns or a lot of the unknown people that were killed by some of these guns that were allowed to walk through that border knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people running these gun shops were like, hey dude, are you sure?
01:38:00.000So if you had to imagine, no one's saying this is true, but if you had to imagine what kind of a deal would be made where you would guarantee the shipment of weapons from the United States into Mexico by the federal government, for what purpose?
01:38:33.000But El Mayo Sambada learned his trade craft in Los Angeles, and fifty years ago.
01:38:39.000And one of the people that was instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move things through countries was a man who was a Castro era police officer who was involved in the Bay of Pig incidents.
01:38:51.000That man married his El Mayo sister, and that's who taught El Mayo Sambada everything he knew.
01:40:18.000Like the cartels were, there was this giant grove of marijuana out there and that Key Cummins saw it and reported it.
01:40:26.000And Caro Quintero, who owned this plantation, had him killed, right?
01:40:30.000And we actually went down to Jalisco where he was tortured and killed and talked to the locals there and they were like, Ah, La Casa de la Cia.
01:40:54.000band at a hearing and during the hearing said I have personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs in Los Angeles and everybody goes fucking crazy.
01:41:05.000It is the wildest thing to see because this is like Jamie was that the 90s?
01:41:33.000It wasn't the end wasn't good, but there was a movie Here, listen, listen Mike Rupert 1996.
01:41:42.000Let's play some of this because it is crazy It's crazy.
01:41:46.000This is all live on CSPAN I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles Police Narcotics Detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.
01:42:48.000Wait a minute if you don't like what's going on here please leave now No, no, leave no, no, no Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room Shout out to Juanita for getting control of the room because everybody went nuts when he said that so he elaborates I mean when when you say you went nuts they're they're looking at he talks to the director operations known as Amadeus Pegasus and Watchtower.
01:43:19.000I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.
01:43:23.000I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.
01:43:34.000I have been trying to get this out for 18 years and I have the evidence.
01:43:37.000My question for you is very specific, sir.
01:43:40.000If in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hitts' work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?
01:45:39.000They decided to do an entire movie of just Michael Rupert sitting in a chair in like a warehouse smoking cigarettes and talking about the collapse of the global economy.
01:47:05.000The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.
01:47:17.000Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources.
01:47:37.000If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear.
01:47:42.000You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.
01:47:46.000The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die.
01:47:53.000You have to believe, not hope, not prayed that there's a way out of it and you're going to find it.
01:48:02.000The whole documentary, just this dude sitting there freaking you out.
01:48:06.000It's like Mexico's UFOs are, it's always been like Mexico's Bigfoot is CIA.
01:48:13.000Like there have been Manuel Bendy, I think, was a writer in the 60s, 70s.
01:48:21.000He would talk about the CIA and he got shot.
01:48:25.000There recently, in the past ten years, a bunch of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being on the payroll by the CIA.
01:48:35.000From like all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA agents on the payroll.
01:48:41.000So Mexico has this vision of the CIA and the US's responsibility for some of the things that are going on down there that are very different than the US's perception of responsibilities.
01:48:57.000It was shocking to me when we were there at Kiki coming in, the house where he was kept and I think tortured and finally killed, that the people around there that have lived there when it happened, some of them would call that the CIA house.
01:49:14.000And maybe they've been kind of like polluted by all the stuff they've been looking at or seeing after that happened, but or maybe they're just being accurate.
01:49:25.000Let's say this, and again, realm of theory.
01:49:28.000You have the United States dealing with Mexico and a 9-11 happens, and then you're worried about things going through the border like a nuke, you know, you're paranoid.
01:49:41.000Do you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe and tell you if anything goes through that border?
01:49:46.000Or you talk to the cartels that actually own that border?
01:50:18.000Sensible, because alcohol is a drug, and we know that when we had a prohibition that lasted for how many years, like 13 years in this country, it did nothing but prop up organized crime.
01:52:26.000and trying to figure things out and drinking myself to sleep every third day because it's the only way I can go through a sleepless, through a dreamless night was unsustainable.
01:52:40.000So my life was falling apart and I had to do something.
01:52:44.000I had a friend who owns a big ranch and he had a cabin that I could stay in.
01:52:53.000I got there and I didn't want to feel like a freeloader, so I got there and I gave them they had a little community school there for the kids, so I bought a TV and like DVDs and gave them all this stuff.
01:55:24.000You've avoided these very specific things for decades.
01:55:30.000and not now there's no way of avoiding them and they're there and it's like you know i don't like i don't want to It led me on a path and it specifically opened up a bunch of doors for me in the realm of, you know, I'm the cartel guy.
01:55:53.000I used to do this and that's what I do and I train people on that.
01:55:56.000But then I'm a guy going through alcohol sobriety in public.
01:56:01.000I had Randy Blythe, the lead singer of Lamb of God, reach out out out of nowhere.
01:56:06.000This random guy that I used to listen to when I was working, you know, my headphones.
01:56:11.000He's like, hey, Ed, yeah, he's speaking about you.
01:56:17.000I just fucking lock myself in a room you're stupid for doing that um but he like i'll be your sponsor he's so easy oh wow so he started out how cool is that i'm still a sponsor he's he is um he's he's a he's an amazing guy um like that's why i call him when i'm close um but uh i Yes,
01:56:44.000it is insane to think about the fact that the bottle of liquor you can buy at the store will kill you.
01:57:32.000The perfect storm was the outbreak of the prescription opioid epidemic in this country.
01:57:41.000That was like this initiation of what later turned into like, oh, well, this is off the table now because we passed all these laws and didn't put some people in jail.
01:57:50.000They should have that should be in prison some families that I don't know how they're free.
01:57:57.000Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppies and they said, well, then let's add a little bit of fentanyl into these very weak poppy yields of heroin.
01:58:23.000They were doing monocrop agriculture with drugs.
01:58:25.000So they're doing industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanyl being introduced into them to make them more potent.
01:58:34.000And also wheat legalization in parts like California led to interesting phenomena.
01:58:40.000Some of these fields were no longer profitable, so they would switch to poppy.
01:58:47.000And one thing that people don't realize is that a lot of these things get tested out first in the markets in Mexico, because Mexico has giant drug markets that are fought over and people will try this.
01:59:01.000Oh boy, it's like trial samples that they hand out to the supermarket.
02:00:21.000Fentanyl as a whole, I think, in the US is kind of down.
02:00:25.000And I know that not all of it or not most of it is now coming from Mexico.
02:00:30.000I mean, you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming from Mexico, a lot of those.
02:00:38.000But you also get fentanyl in the mail all over the US.
02:00:44.000There's a loophole that is finally being closed about exporting things into the United States.
02:00:49.000So if they're below $800 or something like that, they don't get the full scan.
02:00:54.000So I know for a fact there are cartels or groups of people in the United States organizing, shipping things to the United States that have fentanyl in them, and they start loading and they're selling fentanyl-loaded substances into the U.S. without any sort of cartel or Mexican involvement.
02:01:11.000That is also happening in the U.S. And the precursors for this stuff all come from China, correct?
02:01:25.000When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for some of these organizations.
02:01:30.000Specifically, the Sina Loa Cartel was actually getting their fentanyl in the US from some of the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports in the US because the US kept the ports open for a bit longer.
02:01:42.000So you had cases of people, cartel members getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico, because they didn't get their regular supply from China, from the regular ports.
02:01:53.000And that's what they were utilizing to infuse the drugs that they wouldn't send over to the U.S. But the one that didn't have any of those issues was the New Generation cartel, because they own a lot of the ports on both sides of the country.
02:02:08.000And also they've always had, I don't know, this, I don't want to say that the People's Republic of China purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way to fuck with the US.
02:02:42.000Hundreds of them I've seen on the border crossing in single file?
02:02:47.000I was watching some video that some guy made about Maine, about there's this town in Maine, but there's all these Chinese nationals living there, and they've taken over weed operations in Maine.
02:03:02.000When we talked about Vietnam, I think Mexico is a weird Vietnam in a lot of ways, because you see foreign influences in Mexico in different ways.
02:03:12.000The current administration is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies of the United States.
02:04:01.000A battle is being played out in Mexico that has a lot to do with the United States and affecting the interests of the United States.
02:04:08.000And China is clearly not the U.S.'s friend in this battle, probably.
02:04:14.000And things have changed, the dynamics have changed, but you can clearly see that at some point, they, people in China, and when it's, I've heard people say that the largest intelligence organization in the world is the Chinese, the Chinese government, because everybody in China is part of the intelligence apparatus, basically.
02:04:41.000So it's hard for me to believe that all these industrialists and all these chemists come to Mexico and show these cartel members how to cook, manufacture, make or actually fabricate.
02:04:54.000Like they've been fabricating fentanyl in Mexico.
02:04:57.000There have been a few laboratories found in Mexico where they're actually making fentanyl in Mexico.
02:05:03.000But they learn their trade craft and skill craft from people from China.
02:05:06.000How can the Chinese government have these people moving in and out of the country and showing these things in the back and forth and not like, oh, we don't know anything about this.
02:05:19.000You know, there's so many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like we're involved in destabilizing other countries.
02:05:26.000There's a whack a mole game that's going on all over the world.
02:05:30.000Trendanagua, which is talked about a lot here in the US, these Venezuelan gangs, they're operating in Central Mexico openly now.
02:05:39.000There's power vacuums all over the country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and people are the the age of the large organizations is probably coming to an end.
02:05:48.000Sinaloa is the Sinaloa cartel is no longer existing.
02:05:51.000There's smaller factions basically in control, which is allowing things to come in.
02:06:20.000I mentioned this, I talked to some people who are actively working against that federally in Mexico.
02:06:27.000And then all of a sudden we hear these mentions of Maduro, the president of Venezuela being placed on that 50 million, I think, in the wrong row for his head.
02:06:37.000And he's basically now the head head of the giant cartel, which is an interesting narrative that the US is putting out there now.
02:06:47.000You see a lot of these Venezuelan Ternanahua people having clear knowledge and skills and training, and then they're operating in Mexico clearly with some kind of command or directive structure that isn't clear, like, no, there's no like who's the head of the Ternanahua cartel?
02:07:08.000Like, nobody's going to tell, even though they don't know, you know?
02:07:18.000And it's like a destabilizing thing, element, I think.
02:07:23.000It's interesting that when we hear this new mention of authorized military actions in South America, they don't say Mexico specifically, they say just South America, and a very big thing that comes up is Venezuela and Mexico.
02:07:41.000I think whatever the U.S. is attempting is beyond cartel and drugs.
02:07:47.000This is about regional stability now and security.
02:07:50.000Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource on the planet right now, I think, moving into the future.
02:08:55.000I don't know how that works as far as a bounty on him, but he's he's worried.
02:08:59.000He's mobilized militia forces all over the country.
02:09:03.000There was three years ago, five years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by these private institutions, private groups to go and try and liberate Venezuela and they all got caught by fishermen on the coast.
02:09:15.000There were some fishermen on the coast that were like, hey, what were these guys doing here fucking with the 50 cal on top of a pickup truck?
02:09:22.000And I think they were grabbed and they were put on media and like, oh, these guys are all people.
02:09:28.000I think one of them did security for a Trump event, so they put it all on Trump.
02:09:34.000I don't know the whole of the details.
02:09:36.000This is like a little bit out of my wheelhouse, but what I've heard is that a lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for the US by paying all these mercenaries who are American.
02:09:48.000American to try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them.
02:10:14.000Allowing or responsible for and Mexico the president says they don't have any evidence of that yeah see see and it's it's like you don't have any evidence of that but there's a bunch of in Venezuelan organizations in Mexico that you're fighting against, you know.
02:10:31.000That are clearly involved in smuggling.
02:10:33.000Yeah, and that clearly have some sort of free movement between Venezuela and Mexico.
02:10:44.000But I think we're headed for something.
02:10:50.000last time I was here, I said in five years we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention in Mexico, which has already happened, I think, with the arrest of El Mayo Zambala.
02:10:59.000I kind of called the whole terrorist designation thing.
02:11:01.000I said I didn't think he was going to do it on his first term, but the second one.
02:11:17.000If Trump didn't win, the border stayed wide open.
02:11:23.000I'm an immigrant, Joe, and I've seen that side of policy in the U.S. and how it's affected the community and generally the people.
02:11:38.000But on the other end, I've also experienced Biden and the open borders policy and the amounts of horrible shit that I saw on that border and people being a bunch of kids that went missing or kids that were like what's going on with all these kids and why don't they have armbands and all these human trafficking.
02:12:00.000All these migrant camps being set up on the border and which generally good people don't want to believe that human trafficking is a real business.
02:12:09.000It is the child trafficking is a real business.
02:12:33.000You know, whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble, the phenomenon that's going on that I don't see a lot of people talk about is that the fact that, you know, a lot of Americans who are into this move to Mexico.
02:12:46.000And in Mexico, it's harder to find some of these people.
02:12:49.000So a lot of it, in some of these expat community places, there are people hiding out who are pedophiles.
02:12:54.000And they don't no longer have to figure out stuff in the US.
02:12:58.000So they're moving down there and they're doing some of that down there.
02:13:03.000Trafficking of children, the sales of children, child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico.
02:13:14.000And it's not something that you hear a lot about, but masses of people and children being moved up into the border have had some sort of organized effort with them to like help that out.
02:13:29.000If you're a cartel member and you're on the border and all of a sudden you see 14 kids that are all asleep, you're like, what the?
02:14:27.000I don't know what happens on this side.
02:14:30.000I don't know what happens on this side.
02:14:32.000I know that as an immigrant myself, I know that this administration, and specifically in this part of its history and what's happening right now, there's a lot of stress and fear.
02:14:50.000I see the effects of it in different industries from agricultural to culture to just this general anxiety that is felt across the country by people of my color skin that look Mexican or aren't Mexican, you know?
02:15:06.000But I also am not blind to or not stupid enough to see and compare it to the past administration and some of the shit that went on there.
02:15:13.000That's the problem is it's an overcorrection.
02:15:16.000The problem is when you have an open border and you do know that cartel members are just freely going across and you do have human trafficking and you want to stop it, then you want to get everybody out that came in during the last four years.
02:15:30.000So now you have 20 million people you have to account for.
02:15:43.000And mandates get creepy because then people become numbers.
02:15:46.000And if you say we got to get rid of X amount every day, and then you just show up at Home Depot and you get some hard working guy with a family who just wants to do some roofing jobs, you know?
02:16:07.000Like if someone's been here for twenty years, they've been working on a farm and they're good people and they've established a family here, let's figure the hard right pushback.
02:16:47.000Someone explained that to me, that he was having a conversation with this extremely wealthy guy who was upset at the crackdown on the border because they need illegal workers.
02:16:59.000It's a part of their business model because you don't have to pay them any benefits.
02:17:04.000You don't have to pay them whatever the- Yeah, exactly.
02:17:44.000If you're poor, if you're poor, it's almost impossible.
02:17:46.000I have good friends that have immigrated to the United States and they have to prove that their job is something that can't be done by an American or that they're exceptional at their job.
02:17:57.000When I went through my immigration process, I had my wife, whom I've known since I was sixteen, next to me and my daughter.
02:18:05.000And they didn't believe that our marriage was real.
02:18:10.000So I did it legally and I had all the things that I needed to have that immigration go through and it was the most difficult process that I've ever gone through.
02:18:22.000And I can't imagine other people that have, I don't know.
02:18:27.000What about they don't speak English, right?
02:18:31.000But there are quotas for other countries.
02:18:33.000Like I remember when I got mine, there was like a Nigerian dude that couldn't speak English and he got it and I got like we need more information.
02:18:56.000The whole country shuts down, especially LA.
02:19:00.000I mean, the California fires and all the houses that were gunned, like people in construction, you go to some of these work sites, they all speak Spanish.
02:19:14.000And it's been wild seeing that and the effects it has had on just general on the Mexican side is fear and anger and even like more anti-american feelings you know and also this new arrival of these Americans because think about this and I have a friend that I that I sometimes help out in in places like Tijuana,
02:19:44.000where we recent deportees show up in Tijuana, and there's a lot of them right now.
02:19:50.000Imagine you live in the U.S. from when you're two years old, all the way to your thirties, and then they tell you.
02:20:30.000The amount of people getting kind of separated and also the, I mean, they're not, we have a situation right now where there's American homeless people in Tijuana asking for money.
02:20:47.000And we also have people that you think are American, but they're actually Mexicans who were recently deported, who are living in very desperate conditions.
02:21:10.000I met one, I met a dude that, again, I think he was, since he was two, he was brought across.
02:21:15.000And he found out that he, he found out that he didn't have any, he found out that he had any paperwork, I think at eighteen when he had to do some sort of process.
02:21:25.000birth certificate oh my god and he got caught up i think uh somewhere in la um and you know he sent down um this this uh this perception that it's all criminals is no no well they're saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally it's a crime okay so it was a two-year-old criminal two-year-old hardened criminal in his diaper yeah come on That's fucking insane.
02:21:54.000I think you're spot on when you say this is an over correction.
02:21:59.000I think that is a very true statement.
02:22:01.000It's also treating people like numbers.
02:22:05.000And not having the resources to look at each individual case, not having enough manpower and people, and also everybody loses their compassion.
02:22:14.000You just deal with it over and over again.
02:22:29.000But, you know, this is, we're going to live with the consequences of this, and our kids are going to live with the consequences of this probably in the future.
02:22:38.000And when people look at the emotional karma of it.
02:22:40.000Yeah, when people look back at this, you know, the United States leaving Afghanistan as it did guaranteed that it's going to be very hard for America to find friends internationally now, realistically.
02:22:54.000However, it deals with Mexico in the next few years is going to define this nation.
02:23:00.000This is whatever's happening right now, whatever deals are being done, whatever this administration is pointing at is going to define us.
02:23:10.000I mean, my kids are going to have to live with the results of this.
02:24:03.000But the thing I point at is that within my same community, they try and point at people in politics as, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party.
02:25:05.000Yeah, and the perception of the villainy, like in the community, it's all about pointing to those are the enemy, these are our friends, those are the enemies of our friends.
02:25:15.000What they're doing exactly right here you know people get so caught up in you know it's a MAGA versus the democrats like you're being played yeah you're getting fucked no matter who's in office the whole thing is a scam and it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face the whole thing has nothing to do with you you're just a little pawn and they use TikTok too Yeah,
02:25:42.000they use, there's so much propaganda being going on online.
02:25:46.000In my mind, I always think about this first.
02:29:25.000I know there were also efforts to move people to specific states so that you can get a larger number for the census, so you get more congressional seats.
02:29:34.000This is a dark thing that people don't want to admit because they're a died in the wolf democrat, but listen, it is.
02:29:40.000It's not remember who to vote for and they just get dropped out.
02:29:42.000I had a conversation with my parents about it.
02:29:50.000And not only that, they're trying to make it so that those people can vote.
02:29:54.000And if you can make it so that those people can vote, then all of a sudden you ship these people to a place, you give them EBD cards, you get them on food stamps, you give them Medicaid money, you give they have money.
02:30:08.000And now, who are you going to vote for?
02:30:10.000You're going to vote for the people who got your money.
02:30:12.000You're going to vote for the people who gave you the food stamps.
02:30:21.000Like, yes, boats, congressional seats it's one swing states swing states um net population growth i think there's a little of that too i think i think there's a population to collapse there's a population i mean nobody's immigrant there's no immigrant crisis in china right now right and i think they're on their way to probably collapsing if if they go through this downturn in their population i think the us is at some points of its history i think has been kind of close to that i think japan
02:30:51.000is in the middle of it south korea is experiencing it and i ask because i i'm trying to find logic between deporting the biden administration doing that and then opening the door in that way.
02:31:06.000For me, it's always been interesting how a lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a narrative in their head all the way from where they're coming from up into the U.S. So like Sean Ryan was here a while ago, and I think he mentioned that we actually went, I took him down to TJ to one of these migrant caravans that was right on the border.
02:31:42.000I'll see if I can send you the picture.
02:31:45.000All the guys that we were interviewing, this is still COVID mask era.
02:31:48.000Some of them had Make America Great Again masks on.
02:31:52.000I have no idea who gave them those, but somebody with a sense of humor probably did.
02:31:58.000I have a picture of me and Sean Ryan with some of the people that we interviewed and they have Make America Great Again masks on.
02:32:05.000But they were told by the organizers that they had a clear path to the U.S. and that all they needed to do was make a lot of noise on the border, you know, make a lot of newsworthy events on the border, talk to all the press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs, and then they could go.
02:32:30.000That was their mindset that a lot of them had, which is a weird one, you know.
02:32:35.000And then some of them would talk to us about the fact that they would get aid from the, like from Americans would come down and give them their camps, their tents.
02:33:56.000The political the destabilization is one, but just politically to get more congressional seats because of the way they use the census, which I think Trump is trying to change.
02:34:21.000But so you have that, and then you have the true need for labor that people don't, which, yeah, which is, I mean, again, I've been all over the country, and every time I go into a hotel in the Oklahoma, Buenos Diaz, Buenos Diaz, I was, I was to the Buenos Diaz, yeah.
02:34:40.000And I, eighty percent of the time, like, Buenos Diaz.
02:34:43.000Like, what part of Mexico are you from?
02:34:45.000Like, we had this cool conversation, kitchens, like, I've, uh, throughout New York City.
02:35:19.000So the Congress would have to agree with him on something like that, which I think politically there might be motivation to do that because you could game the system by an administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then.
02:35:32.000But then the moving of all these immigrants to all these areas where you wanted to take over, which is crazy.
02:35:41.000Like using these people as political ploys and then they get a fresh start in America.
02:36:33.000But independently of that, the amount of cultures I'm experiencing across the country, it's like, wow, this is just like the UN of countries.
02:36:42.000You know, like everywhere I go, I meet people from all over the world.
02:36:46.000Well, that's the part of the beauty of America, really.
02:36:49.000The beauty of America is that it's a melting pot.
02:36:52.000That's supposed to be what's cool about it.
02:36:54.000But when it's sort of weaponized in this way, when people are using it for their political gain and bringing people in for political gain, and then making a person like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all this shit to try to get in here legally, you're like, oh, you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which is really easy.
02:37:19.000And I understand the part of the American populace that are just like, we want to keep America America.
02:37:43.000Because they know what the fuck communism looks like.
02:37:46.000This isn't just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college.
02:37:49.000Like their grandparents and their great grandmothers grew up oppressed.
02:37:54.000Like they had to deal with that stuff.
02:37:55.000They escaped and they came over to America and they have no tolerance for any bullshit.
02:38:00.000Well, well, in Mexico right now, there are things you can't say.
02:38:04.000You know, there's laws that prohibit you from being.
02:38:08.000being violent verbally against a political figure if she's a female and you'll have to go on TV and like read out uh like a whole thing apologizing for your insults public humiliation basically is being legalized in Mexico and Mexico is going towards that side of things oh yeah and but I'm up here and I'm seeing some of the things up here as well you know so like I don't I have this I have this vision of the U.S. where it's like cool This
02:38:39.000is a place where I'm safe to pursue whatever happiness I think exists.
02:38:45.000I didn't find that happiness in my country where I'm from, where I came from because this or this or that.
02:38:52.000Why do I want to bring some of that here?
02:38:55.000I guess would be one of the ways I think about it.
02:38:58.000I don't want, I don't want, hey, Texas is kind of boring.
02:39:02.000Let's bring in fucking militarized cartel members to roll around the city and pick up kids and shit like that and drain them into camps.
02:39:07.000Well, that's the big fear about Texas having Californians come here.
02:39:36.000In Mexico, airsoft guns are like on weird lists.
02:39:40.000Like, you can't buy a sight for a gun.
02:39:45.000If you want to buy a gun, you have to fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to anyone that doesn't have any real means or money to get guns or training.
02:39:56.000So it's basically you don't get the privilege to defend yourself in a country where you can't trust the cops.
02:40:16.000When I came up here, I'm like, oh cool.
02:40:19.000This is like, this is a place where that, some of that is not the case.
02:40:23.000But then a bunch of gun laws passed in California while I was going through my process.
02:40:27.000And people started showing up to the gun range that I would go to train with like weird California compliant guns that you had to like weld the magazine to a certain place and stuff like that.
02:40:36.000And I was like, oh man, it's changing up here too.
02:42:27.000I've trained federal forces and people that I've read about in books on how to do things that I learned in this horrible country warfare that I had to go through.
02:42:37.000There's no other place on the planet that would have provided me these opportunities for myself and for my daughter.
02:43:17.000And again, talking to people from my community across the country, it's a generalized anxiety of not feeling at home at home, which is dark.
02:43:43.000you feel awful about like what America stands for.
02:43:46.000Like the idea that we would find it right to send some kid who was born here or born in Mexico but came over here when he was two can't speak Spanish at all, some kid in LA that just doesn't have paperwork and all of a sudden he's in Mexico.
02:44:30.000So I've encountered situations where I've had to talk to immigration officials and you know I'm like hey dude what's it like like what's what like being the villain right now like the amount of a lot of these guys are getting doxed they're utilizing AI technology to take a picture of them and removing the mask and gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are like there's there's people documenting their tattoos and then doxing them online and I'm like they are like why do you ask that Ed?
02:46:08.000I see the U.S. in, like, people internationally see the U.S. declining, you know?
02:46:14.000I got to experience the U.S. in the 80s.
02:46:18.000crossing the border and going to San Diego and going to SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions of everything bigger in the supermarkets.
02:46:25.000And then as an immigrant in the US now, I got everything smaller and Infrastructure is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country and it's not the US of the 80s, it's not the US of the 90s, it's different.
02:46:40.000So yeah, I can see why people are screaming at the fact that, yeah, there's something has to be done.
02:47:26.000I don't think he even parties anymore.
02:47:28.000But it's wild to think, and then people question why things are the way they are and why people are struggling in different parts of this, in different parts of society in this country.
02:47:40.000I came here to work and to make a better life for myself and for my kid.
02:47:44.000And I somehow managed to be in a a place where I have employees and I have a company and I'm working, I'm doing work.
02:48:26.000I mean, that's literally how most people are getting their information and getting their narratives.
02:48:30.000And the same fight that is played on social media, statewide, stateside, is kind of like the same fight that is being sold to us as far as Mexico versus the United States.
02:48:58.000Go home, gringos written on the walls.
02:49:00.000Meanwhile, there's ICE raids in LA and people are being rolled up and being deported and that's happening all the while where people are like Mexicans are sick of all these Americans living in all these cool parts of Mexico and gentrifying them which is wild I mean are we into mass American deportations next from Mexico is that going to happen in the past you could just cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask you for shit now they ask you for ID.
02:50:22.000Yeah, when I used to work in San Diego, when I used to stand up down there, and, you know, if I hung out after the shows, I'd meet a bunch of people that came to the show from Mexico.
02:51:16.000I think to have a, I. I don't think that I don't want to I don't think that's I don't I wouldn't want to go there.
02:51:30.000No, there's always been this free flow back and forth.
02:51:33.000They just got to make it so that cartel members can't just come across or or terrorists from other countries don't have an easy pathway.
02:51:43.000The flow of armaments going down to Mexico is one issue.
02:51:49.000The flow of drugs coming up from Mexico is another issue.
02:51:54.000The organized crime elements in Mexico doing horrific things to the local populace and to each other when they fight each other is an issue.
02:52:04.000But also the United States' historical foreign policy to Mexico and its responsibility for a lot of these things happening in Mexico is also key.
02:52:13.000What should the United States do about its responsibility in the past and some of its foreign policies in Mexico that have led Mexico to be where it is right now as far as violence?
02:52:25.000I don't think a full-on military attack like Afghanistan or Iraq would be the answer because we see where that goes.
02:52:33.000It's not as easy as sending just drones down there and exploding a few dudes because we've also seen what that happens when you cut the head of one snake.
02:52:42.000You just abducted the head of the Sinaloa cartel and brought him to Texas.
02:52:47.000And all that did, it didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico.
02:52:54.000giant war in the state of Sinaloa and it divided up one cartel into two and probably made one of the biggest threats to the United States national security as far as cartels go bigger and more influential.
02:53:57.000We are going to need each other more than we think in the coming years.
02:54:03.000And open warfare between both countries is not Fucking insane.
02:54:07.000It's not going to be, it's not going to lead to anything.
02:54:11.000the United States doesn't have the manpower to stop the wave of migration that will come out of that country if you start lobbing targeted strikes in certain parts of that country.
02:54:49.000I wonder if they've thought it out, like the U.S. government's thought it out the way you're laying it out.
02:54:55.000I've spoken to members of Congress, and I've spoken to members, I've been in Washington a few times, and I've spoken to people that are in charge of things.
02:55:06.000And they have notions, some of them, you know, but some of them are clearly, you know, They took that.
02:55:17.000And if they're not like fully invested in finding out and really diving deep and getting an understanding of it, how could they know what you know?
02:55:26.000Yeah, there's well, they're doing the right thing by, like, I've been in rooms with people who were part of this conflict and they're asking the right people.
02:55:38.000But they're some of them are verifying, like, we were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local officials there and they told us that they're doing this now.
02:55:45.000And look at all the drugs that they just got.
02:55:50.000And I'm like, dude, I used to work for them.
02:55:52.000And I can tell you that those boxes beneath those pills are probably empty and they're just there to produce a visual weight of it.
02:56:00.000And also like that unit that did that seizure, yeah, they're on a payroll for this organization and also the governor of this place where this seizure happened yeah you just took her visa away because the husband is involved in fuel smuggling so is this a win wow but yeah you're freaking me out i'm sorry but
02:56:29.000yeah there are people that are trying to figure it out yeah in the government there are people that are asking the right questions I just I don't know what they're doing.
02:56:38.000I don't know what's going to happen with the information, but a few things are clear.
02:56:45.000Everything is on the table as far as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America right now.
02:56:52.000There is an interest by the United States in some of that going on.
02:57:00.000And what that's going to look like, is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest of El Mayo Sambana on a plane in some pretty kind of weird circumstances?
02:57:15.000Is the United States already doing political counter-operations against the regime that is ruling over Mexico in some way, shape, or form?
02:57:23.000I don't know, there's a bunch of political exposes going on all over Mexico right now with a bunch of documents and members of their very austere political party having lavish lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and that goes on the news.
02:57:39.000And then the president of Mexico says the CIA probably is taking all those pictures as a counter-operation to what they're doing.
02:57:48.000So I think whatever's happening is already in motion.
02:57:54.000My point is the cost of this is if it's if it isn't done in a if it isn't done if it if it If it isn't done correctly, if it isn't done in a way where it's not taking into consideration the outcome or the fallout of something like abducting another giant head of a cartel down there or taking him out, then I think the biggest target out there is the head of the New Generation cartel.
02:58:21.000I think that's, if I could be a psychic right now, and I say the U.S. is going to plan some sort of direct action operation, I think that's going to be aimed at them.
02:58:33.000But, you know, if the Americans have a vision that they're going to go somewhere and everybody's going to be wearing cartel member vest on.
02:58:43.000I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and they have a bunch of police officers with full uniforms or actually police officers there or members of the military that engage in a firefight with them and call backup from the military and then now you're involved in a fight with the army down there.
02:59:04.000Because they're all involved with the cartel.
02:59:07.000Again, we hear these stories of these people, who's training them, who's supplying them, who's showing them how to use those rocket launchers that they're getting from the Ukraine.
02:59:17.000You hear these stories and you're like just like that dude standing up there the CIA was involved in drug you're like Ed you're just talking out of your ass this conspiracy theory shit five years ago I said terrorist designation and direct action in Mexico of a high against a high-level cartel head and here we are yeah and maybe I may be on that side of conspiracies but I've been pretty spot on.
03:00:02.000Uh, I posted something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during COVID and the Instagram didn't like that and they took down my account.