The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2369 - Ed Calderon

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00:00:12.000 Art Bell was the best driving off from the comedy store at like one o'clock in the morning, hearing some dude claimed he was a time traveler.

00:00:19.000 Remember when he, there was a dude that claimed to work at Area 51 and then it cut out, the radio show cut out?

00:00:26.000 Yeah, that was a good one.

00:00:29.000 Art was the man.

00:00:31.000 That's why we put that photo up there.

00:00:33.000 Because he was, you know, a lot of the subjects that we covered, he was the original guy talking about these things on the radio.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, and the fact that he just kept open lines, if you're a time traveler, if you're a time traveler, just call in and tell us what's going to happen in the future.

00:00:48.000 People that were kidnapped by Bigfoot, like, no matter what, Art was like, interesting, tell me more.

00:00:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:53.000 Like, he was open to just talking to anyone.

00:00:56.000 He never called bullshit. 0.91

00:00:58.000 No. 0.96

00:01:00.000 So, Ed, the last time I saw you, you gave me an Aztec death whistle, and Brian Cowen blew it on the air, and it caused the pandemic.

00:01:07.000 He was very good at it, out of nowhere.

00:01:10.000 He just, like, grabbed it, and we have another one.

00:01:13.000 Oh, no.

00:01:14.000 Don't look at this.

00:01:15.000 Probably, that's Luke Cowaverns gave us this one.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:18.000 That's a good one, right?

00:01:20.000 That is a beautiful one.

00:01:21.000 Probably, let's not repeat it again.

00:01:24.000 I'm not blowing it.

00:01:25.000 I don't know if it's true or not true, but it's an odd coincidence.

00:01:31.000 It definitely was.

00:01:32.000 I got a lot of messages about it, like, hey, this was kind of coincidentally at the start of this pandemic.

00:01:39.000 Don't put this on me.

00:01:40.000 Listen, man.

00:01:41.000 People have been blowing them whistles all over the world.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 There's a bunch of those whistles out there. 0.98

00:01:45.000 There's no way.

00:01:46.000 There's no way.

00:01:47.000 The only thing is I don't think anybody ever blew one on a podcast that was seen by millions of people.

00:01:52.000 I mean, you were directly responsible for those to become this viral, popular thing.

00:01:59.000 Few people knew about them, but they became this international thing now.

00:02:02.000 Like everybody talks about death whistles now because of it.

00:02:06.000 Well, I don't know.

00:02:08.000 They are weird.

00:02:10.000 The sound is creepy.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 You know?

00:02:12.000 Definitely weird, ghostly.

00:02:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:15.000 If you heard dudes in the distance making that noise and you knew that people were after you and you heard that, you'd be like, oh fuck. 1.00

00:02:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:23.000 It definitely keeps you up at night.

00:02:25.000 Seeing people do pranks with them, just screaming them at randomly in the middle of the night in the street.

00:02:30.000 People running around.

00:02:31.000 What is the origin of that?

00:02:32.000 Like Aztec Death Whistles, like when did they start using them?

00:02:36.000 Does anyone know?

00:02:37.000 People keep finding them.

00:02:39.000 I mean, Aztec is a modern word for Mexica, which were a bunch of tribes that moved from northern, you know, northern America down there.

00:02:49.000 And they brought with them a lot of customs, but I think those were around before them.

00:02:53.000 You know, a lot of them emulated animals.

00:02:56.000 So a lot of it was like shamanistic, people trying to infuse themselves with the spirit of an animal.

00:03:01.000 So a lot of them, you know, have jaguar sounds coming out.

00:03:06.000 But some of the ones that with the scream, apparently, they're more about the screeching owls that live down there.

00:03:13.000 But they've been, like, people have told me, native people down there have told me that they were very much specifically kind of utilized for psychological effect.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, make them not sleep.

00:03:26.000 During these flower wars that they would have with the, I think the Clascaltechans, they had this agreement where they would go and try and capture people to bring back to the pyramid to sacrifice. 1.00

00:03:40.000 And a way they would, you know, tire them is to blow those at night where they were encamped or the places where they were about to attack.

00:03:50.000 So they lose sleep with those.

00:03:54.000 Like a few hundred of those just.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, people can be really devious.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, when they know how to mess with your head.

00:04:02.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, the Mexica, I mean, people glorify a lot of people from Mexico, like everybody's Aztec.

00:04:09.000 You're probably not Aztec. 0.79

00:04:10.000 You're probably some other tribe that didn't lose that initial conquest.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, a lot of badass dudes have like Aztec tattoos on their back and stuff like that.

00:04:20.000 But that's the losing side though.

00:04:23.000 The Spanish came and allied themselves with everybody that hated the Aztecs.. 0.94

00:04:29.000 Including the Tlaxcaltecs who were apparently badasses. 1.00

00:04:33.000 The Aztecs used to send tax collectors out to them and apparently one of them didn't come back, according to one story.

00:04:40.000 And the soldiers came over like, Hey, where's our tax collector?

00:04:44.000 Let's feed you before we talk about anything.

00:04:47.000 So they fed them pozole.

00:04:50.000 And at the end of the meal they were like, Well, you can take your people back with you.

00:04:54.000 Where are they?

00:04:55.000 You just ate them.

00:04:55.000 They were in the stew.

00:04:58.000 And those are the guys that the Spanish alied with to fight against the Mexica.

00:05:04.000 Jesus.

00:05:06.000 The history of Mexico is so strange.

00:05:09.000 I mean, it's so long and storied, and there's so many chapters of it that are very confusing because, like, where did the Mayas go?

00:05:18.000 Like, when they found the Aztec pyramids, people weren't even living in them when the people that eventually ended up living in them, they found them.

00:05:28.000 Teotihuacán, which they call the, it's basically the city of the gods is what the Aztecs called them because it was abandoned when they went through.

00:05:38.000 Which is nuts.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 The Aztecs, in essence, were violent immigrants coming from the north into the south, which is pretty interesting for that. 1.00

00:05:48.000 But yeah, the city was abandoned completely.

00:05:52.000 And when they passed through, it was the city of the gods.

00:05:55.000 They called the pyramid of the sun and the moon, but realistically, nobody knows what those pyramids are for.

00:06:01.000 And when they made their way into the Valley of Mexico, there were already a bunch of tribes already there and peoples, older peoples.

00:06:11.000 So Mexico has an ancient history.

00:06:13.000 People that want to assume that the Aztecs are ancient history don't know anything about history.

00:06:17.000 They're pretty new on the scene as far as history when it comes to Mexico.

00:06:21.000 Which is really crazy.

00:06:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:23.000 And it's really crazy that.

00:06:25.000 most modern people don't even, I mean, especially in America, don't even understand that the reason why everyone speaks Spanish is because of the Spaniards.

00:06:33.000 It's not that the Mexican native language was Spanish.

00:06:36.000 No.

00:06:37.000 No, it was a language they assumed once they were conquered.

00:06:40.000 And there's a bunch of lost languages.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, something interesting happened with them, and Hernan Cortes and the Conquista and the Spaniards are all perfect villains in history, I guess. 1.00

00:06:51.000 People, it's perfect, man.

00:06:53.000 If you kind of look at it from the outside perspective.

00:06:57.000 Colonial invasion. 0.65

00:06:58.000 But when you go, but when you look at it, I mean, they were they were just getting off their own culture. 0.56

00:07:04.000 They were conquested by the Moors. 0.72

00:07:06.000 So they were getting free from that.

00:07:09.000 So they were already mixed in there.

00:07:11.000 There were brown people on that boat.

00:07:12.000 It's not blonde-haired white people coming on that boat. 0.96

00:07:15.000 There's already brown people on that boat coming. 0.99

00:07:19.000 Hernan Cortes is very much painted as a villain in this story.

00:07:23.000 But when you kind of look at the ways that the conquest took place in Mexico versus other parts of the world, there was a lot of brutality.

00:07:30.000 There's a lot of ignorance, a lot of religious nonsense on both sides, because the Aztecs also did a lot of horrible things. 0.59

00:07:39.000 But in the end, I think Mexico went the route of mestizaje. 0.77

00:07:44.000 We decided to mix.

00:07:46.000 Like the Spanish decided to take wives among the natives. 0.99

00:07:50.000 They decided to give honorary titles to the people that helped fight the Aztecs to help with the conquest of what wasn't Mexico, was just this valley at that time.

00:07:59.000 And it gave birth to this culture.

00:08:02.000 This mixed culture that very much hates parts of itself, which is a weird part of Mexican culture. 1.00

00:08:09.000 Because you ask anybody in Mexico, a lot of people, and I went to Mexican school, so I got a lot of this education of how the evil Spanish came and wiped out all of the natives, you know, or most of the natives, when in reality, you know, a lot of a lot of us in Mexico have mixed blood.

00:08:28.000 Most of us have mixed blood.

00:08:30.000 There's a lot of Spanish blood in us.

00:08:31.000 So we were very much taught to hate ourselves in a way.

00:08:37.000 And I think that has something to do with a lot of the psychology and the culture in Mexico.

00:08:42.000 There's a whole part of our history and ourselves that we hate, but it's essential.

00:08:46.000 Like we say, like, the president of Mexico, the past president, the current president, are all about sending the king of Spain letters to have them apologize for the conquista.

00:09:00.000 And it's funny, like some of the bloggers from Spain will respond like, you're asking that in Spanish.

00:09:06.000 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 Right?

00:09:07.000 And you're probably an ancestor of those very people.

00:09:10.000 So it's kind of you more than us.

00:09:12.000 Yeah.

00:09:13.000 Because we didn't even go there.

00:09:14.000 We're still here.

00:09:15.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 Well, and people ask where the Mayas went.

00:09:20.000 They're there.

00:09:21.000 You go down there, you see them.

00:09:23.000 They look.

00:09:23.000 They look Mayas.

00:09:24.000 Exactly like the paintings.

00:09:25.000 If you've ever been to the Anthropological Museum in Mexico, which I highly ask people to go and visit, it's beautiful.

00:09:33.000 They have a whole Mayan exhibit there.

00:09:36.000 And it's, like, startling how their culture was so advanced, so detailed, so detailed orientated, and the whole feeling of them just being gone or like disappearing as a mystery.

00:09:49.000 But then you go down there and you see these people there.

00:09:52.000 They look Maya. 0.74

00:09:53.000 Yeah, they look very different.

00:09:55.000 It's interesting.

00:09:56.000 You know, I went to Chichen Itza.

00:09:59.000 And first of all, you just, I mean, I know that the pyramids of Egypt dwarf even that, but when you go there, you're like, what happened?

00:10:08.000 Like, how did you guys do this?

00:10:09.000 Like, how were you building these immense stone structures in the jungle way before?

00:10:17.000 Europeans ever settled in America.

00:10:20.000 Like, way before there was anything like this anywhere else.

00:10:23.000 A lot of strong backs, a lot of work, I think, you know, there's no doubt.

00:10:26.000 There's no doubt there was a lot of that, but there was also a lot of, like, incredibly sophisticated engineering.

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:33.000 Like, this isn't just like a one time project, you got it right the first time.

00:10:37.000 Like, how were you guys so good at, like, when you look at the Chichen Itza pyramids, well, you can't walk up them anymore, unfortunately.

00:10:46.000 But, well, you'll get lynched.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, you get in big trouble.

00:10:49.000 But when I was there back in the day, you could climb up them.

00:10:52.000 This is like, I guess, early 2000 and you were you were allowed to walk up that but they'll fuck you up now there's been videos of people doing things and then the locals they'll get lynched in the bottom if you manage to climb that thing right now.

00:11:06.000 Yeah, people like there's a watch guy all the way up on top and a bunch of dogs always on that's a weird thing about old pyramids.

00:11:11.000 I don't know why dogs like hang out up there.

00:11:13.000 Oh really?

00:11:14.000 Yeah, like the one in the in the in the Sun Pyramid in Mexico, there's always dogs on top of it and this one there's also always dogs on top of it.

00:11:23.000 Like we know, peril dogs or the rest of the wild dogs just hang up there.

00:11:27.000 But I mean, when you see these things, like give us some of the images of when you see the some of these, there's some dogs.

00:11:35.000 When you see some of these pyramids like that, like, that's so different.

00:11:39.000 I mean, that is sophisticated.

00:11:41.000 It's so bizarre.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 We had a really good guide there when I went, and the guide was showing us this one area where they would take whatever psychedelic plants.

00:11:52.000 they had like some ceremonial room where they would take psychedelic plants.

00:11:56.000 And he was telling me that And he thinks that had a lot to do with why they were able to make these kind of insanely complex structures.

00:12:18.000 And a weird thing that I've also kind of realized after just talking to people and going down there and kind of seeing some of the artifacts, a lot of the psychedelics that they actually took were self-harm and mutilation, bloodletting type activities.

00:12:36.000 Really?

00:12:36.000 Yeah, a lot of the Aztec priests, you see the pictures of them pulling a cord with thorns through their private parts.

00:12:48.000 trying to, trying to, uh, trying to invoke in them these, uh, I don't know, visions.

00:12:57.000 So just being in such extreme pain, in such a bizarre state of mind that you try to transcend?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, which is, which matched up perfectly with some of the Catholic worldviews when they, when they arrived.

00:13:11.000 When you, when you look at a lot of the culture, specifically in Mexico, you see that they met, they met, they met kind of like a perfect culture.

00:13:19.000 Like they matched in a lot of ways.

00:13:21.000 When the Catholics arrived. 0.97

00:13:23.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 The Mexicans were venerating a mother goddess at a grotto area in Mexico.

00:13:32.000 That's where the basilica is.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, some of the rituals.

00:13:40.000 They're calling these bloodletterings.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, but they're spine, porky spine, something spine.

00:13:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:46.000 coming out of that area and there's a It looks like it.

00:13:50.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 Pretty close to that. 0.99

00:13:52.000 A lot of people want to go dick. 0.98

00:13:53.000 A lot of people want to go take ayahuasca down there, but I don't see a lot of this probably coming back. 0.99

00:13:57.000 Or maybe, I don't know.

00:13:58.000 But that was, that's a big part of what they also did.

00:14:01.000 You know, a lot of blood people in Mexico are now, oh, it's a big exaggeration.

00:14:12.000 It's like a propaganda denial.

00:14:14.000 And then you go there and there's like stone skull piles commemorating whatever war and depictions of them in codices that they themselves made of just getting sacrificed people on top of pyramids, pulling out their hearts.

00:14:30.000 Well, that was that one statue that's on top of the pyramid that's like a bench.

00:14:35.000 They were explaining to me that that's where they would sacrifice people.

00:14:38.000 I mean, it makes sense.

00:14:42.000 Even the way that in the art it's depicted, you can't fake that.

00:14:47.000 Most people would think you'd go through the rib cage to get at the heart.

00:14:50.000 No, they go through the diaphragm right down here.

00:14:52.000 So that's why there's a lot of depictions of some of these gods, like Mikan Tlicutli, which is the lord of the underworld in the Aztecs.

00:14:59.000 Sometimes it's depicted with a skeletal form with its hands spread out like this, and you'll see a split diaphragm on the bottom coming out underneath its ribcage as a signifier that, you know, that's...

00:15:13.000 That's where they go up to grab the heart.

00:15:15.000 Show that sculpture, that sculpture, that flat bench sculpture that is like a man.

00:15:21.000 It looks like he's sitting on his hands and knees, but with his, you know, torso faced upward, that one.

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, that was the one they were explaining to me.

00:15:31.000 And again, I imagine that a lot of these things, I mean, you have to interpret because there's there's things out there that I don't understand.

00:15:39.000 But I know blood was very essential and it was an essential thing for these cultures.

00:15:44.000 It's one of the most powerful offerings you can make.

00:15:47.000 And a lot of the Catholic side of things that came into this area just intermingled perfectly.

00:15:54.000 They were also talking about a god that...

00:16:00.000 In the middle there.

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:04.000 Where the capital of Mexico is right now, there's a big cathedral behind it.

00:16:09.000 There's the Templo Mayor, the major temple of the Aztec Empire.

00:16:13.000 And there's a lot of those types of symbols around, just skulls, because that's where they would have the Sempantli, I think it was called.

00:16:20.000 Sorry if I butchered the word.

00:16:22.000 They would have these racks of skulls on top of the pyramids, on top of their central pyramid, kind of displaying all of the people that had gone off it.

00:16:31.000 And what was the story?

00:16:32.000 Was it the completion of Tenochtitlan or one of the Aztec pyramids where they sacrificed eighty thousand slaves?

00:16:40.000 Yeah.

00:16:41.000 Over, like, whoever they had.

00:16:42.000 I've heard, like, numbers of 50,000.

00:16:45.000 I have no idea how you would kind of figure out those numbers.

00:16:48.000 Right.

00:16:48.000 But you do get accounts of some of the Spanish conquistadors describing the smell that some of these pyramids had.

00:16:57.000 Which, if you were into a kill house, like a slaughterhouse.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 This dark smell.

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 It's like, it's uncanny.

00:17:06.000 And there's something about human tallow that I've also smelled.

00:17:10.000 And blood that is very...

00:17:12.000 Distinct.

00:17:13.000 I mean, yeah.

00:17:14.000 We're monkeys and we probably have some genetic medicine.

00:17:18.000 We have memory of what that smell is and it makes us want to run, I guess.

00:17:21.000 And they describe the smell on some of these pyramids when they when they when they got into the city.

00:17:28.000 The city don't get me wrong, the Aztec Empire, like these Spanish peasants coming off that boat were like awestruck of when they saw this city. 1.00

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:38.000 Like it had water coming into it.

00:17:42.000 It has a super complex.

00:17:43.000 Sister's complex, just this structure and culture that was uncontested there.

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 When they when they got there they were looking at.

00:17:53.000 And completely different than anything European. 0.90

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 So they came over here and they're like, what is going on in this part of the world.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 What are you guys doing?

00:18:04.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 How do you have so much gold?

00:18:06.000 Well, there was some gold.

00:18:08.000 Not all.

00:18:08.000 I mean, you hear these stories about the city of gold and stuff like that.

00:18:12.000 There was gold there.

00:18:14.000 But they valued other things.

00:18:15.000 You know, that wasn't their main central thing.

00:18:17.000 So it was kind of puzzled about why they were so interested in some of the golden regalia they had.

00:18:22.000 But when the conquest kind of like...

00:18:35.000 The lords within this same culture became allies of the allies of the invading forces.

00:18:41.000 And when they won, they were like, you're now the title owner or the leader of this area.

00:18:46.000 And here's the royal decree.

00:18:48.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:18:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:50.000 Sacrificial stone.

00:18:51.000 Yeah, that's that's in the that's in the music.

00:18:52.000 60,000 human sacrifices.

00:18:54.000 Holy God.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, you can see where the blood was was channeled to drip down from that.

00:19:00.000 I think I think this is I'm not sure if this is the one, but there was one stone where they would tie someone onto the stone and he would fight several people until he finally died.

00:19:11.000 True.

00:19:12.000 It's like a I don't know, it's like a sacrifice above it, like a fighting sacrifice.

00:19:16.000 It was a different type of sacrifice they did.

00:19:18.000 Human intelligence applied to cruelty is very bizarre.

00:19:23.000 It's very bizarre when you see.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, torture?

00:19:26.000 Yeah, torture, just that kind of stuff.

00:19:29.000 Just what people would do for pure entertainment or ritual or to, I mean, because everyone's afraid to die.

00:19:38.000 So you just show death in the worst form, in the most cruel and uncaring, sacrificial form in front of everybody.

00:19:46.000 Children, cutting people's hearts out while they're still alive.

00:19:49.000 It just keeps everyone on the scene.

00:19:51.000 It's a spectacle.

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00:21:08.000 That's dr a spectacle and I'm sure it keeps Yeah, there they go, sacrificing people and then throwing their bodies off the side.

00:21:18.000 Yeah, and people keep denying that that actually happened, but it's I think it's the same phenomenon you get in the US where all Native Americans were peaceful and it was like a utopia before they came in.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:33.000 Well, that's one that really bothers people when they want this binary sort of analysis of North America. 0.98

00:21:40.000 You know, the white people were bad and evil, which for sure they were. 0.99

00:21:44.000 And they came over here and these good people that were just living off the land in harmony. 1.00

00:21:50.000 In fact, they were killing each other.

00:21:52.000 Not only that, that was their favorite thing to do. 1.00

00:21:54.000 Where we are right now, the Comanches, all those motherfuckers did was eat meat. 1.00

00:21:59.000 They didn't have any artwork. 1.00

00:22:01.000 They didn't have anything other than bows and arrows.

00:22:03.000 That's all they made. 0.99

00:22:05.000 They made tipis, they made bows and arrows, and they fucked everybody up. 1.00

00:22:09.000 And their favorite thing was to go to nearby tribes and kill everybody. 1.00

00:22:14.000 That was their fun time. 0.97

00:22:16.000 And they would torture people in the most horrific ways.

00:22:20.000 In Empire of the Summer Moon, which is an amazing book on the Comanche from right in this spot.

00:22:26.000 And they would take people that they captured, they would cut their arms and legs off while they were alive.

00:22:32.000 So they would hold them down, immediately hack their arms and legs off, and then throw them on a bonfire to watch them wiggle. 1.00

00:22:40.000 Fucking yo. 1.00

00:22:42.000 Like, you gotta be. 1.00

00:22:44.000 That's dark.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, that's bloodlust.

00:22:48.000 I don't know what that is.

00:22:49.000 I mean, if you, let's say they did that in front of the enemy, the enemy that they just conquered.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, well, they would just keep one guy alive to watch him and then let him go.

00:22:57.000 Yeah.

00:22:58.000 Go tell everyone.

00:22:59.000 Psychological operations. 0.92

00:23:00.000 So, what the hell? 0.79

00:23:01.000 Everybody else gets butchered, one guy they let go. 0.87

00:23:04.000 You go tell everyone.

00:23:05.000 No.

00:23:06.000 We're out here.

00:23:07.000 No.

00:23:08.000 No.

00:23:08.000 And also, like, if you think about it, some of the horrors that are still happening down south, which is we sent me this message last night of these six or seven.

00:23:22.000 I'll send it to Jamie.

00:23:24.000 Because it's pretty crazy how often this stuff happens down in Mexico and how little of it we ever hear about it.

00:23:31.000 We don't really hear too much about these insane mass murders that take place down there.

00:23:38.000 There was a beheading down in Mexico.

00:23:43.000 And it's a safe or not a historically safe part of Mexico that where this type of stuff doesn't happen that much, but things are changing rapidly down there.

00:23:56.000 it's evolving quickly the and the the The culture that we have down there, I don't know.

00:24:08.000 Like, I do believe that there's some sort of genetic memory.

00:24:12.000 I bet there is.

00:24:13.000 It makes sense.

00:24:14.000 I think there's genetic memory.

00:24:16.000 Six severed head found on the side of the road, the chilling message in one of Mexico's safest regions.

00:24:20.000 And what part of Mexico is this?

00:24:30.000 Yeah, Puebla and Tlaxcala.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, Puebla, I mean, it's a beautiful place.

00:24:33.000 If you go to Puebla, visit Puebla.

00:24:35.000 Yeah, it's beautiful, but this is Don't be there at the wrong time.

00:24:39.000 Just don't work for the cartels, I guess.

00:24:42.000 The act, so this is an interesting thing that I heard long ago from somebody.

00:24:50.000 One of the first jobs I did was cut somebody off a bridge.

00:24:54.000 And one of the older guys that was with me, I was like horrified by this kid, you know, 16, 17 year old kid told me, oh, they're being kind. 0.99

00:25:09.000 Then I'm like, what's kind about leaving somebody hanging from a fucking bridge naked? 0.98

00:25:14.000 His family's going to get something to bury at least. 0.99

00:25:18.000 So it dawned on me that that was an act of kindness.

00:25:22.000 So having somebody beheaded is even so normal.

00:25:26.000 It's even crueler.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 Because now they have no body.

00:25:29.000 They have no body to bury.

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 And there's a lot of coffins with just a head or not even that in Mexico buried in the ground.

00:25:35.000 But just think of how insane it has to be to where hanging someone from a bridge is an act of kindness because at least you could find the body.

00:25:43.000 It is the evolution of what is considered normal in Mexico.

00:25:48.000 People will get shot by the dozens.

00:25:52.000 People will get displayed in this horrific and people will just go back to work.

00:25:58.000 That's every day.

00:25:59.000 And that's the scary part of it, I think, for most of the people that live down there is how normalized it has become.

00:26:07.000 It's not an abnormal thing to hear some of these things.

00:26:10.000 And this is not in terms of America, our understanding of Mexico and cartel culture, this is not something.

00:26:19.000 that was ever talked about when I was in high school.

00:26:21.000 It was never talked about when I was a young man.

00:26:23.000 It never came up.

00:26:25.000 It wasn't a thing in the news.

00:26:26.000 Cartel violence was not.

00:26:29.000 I think the first time people would start getting an inkling of this was in the nineties when the phenomenon of this guy, Adolfo Constanzo, happened.

00:26:37.000 This was on the this was on the border between Texas and Juarez area.

00:26:42.000 He was a they called him the Narco Satanico, the Satanist Narco.

00:26:47.000 Oh boy.

00:26:49.000 He was a high level practitioner of something called Palo and Santeria.

00:26:54.000 And he would do rituals for people.

00:26:56.000 people like in cartels and he started his own cartel because he was pretty successful at social engineering and and folk magic basically is what he was doing and at some point he started believing in in his power, and he instructed some of the members of his gang to abduct an American because he needed a brain for his cauldron where he would do some of these rituals.

00:27:19.000 And I think that's the first time Americans got a little, like a small glimpse of the underground brutality, monster, religious occultism, and just torture and murder that has been going on down there for many years.

00:27:39.000 But it has gotten really bad in the past twenty, thirty years.

00:27:43.000 So this has always been going on?

00:27:46.000 In a lot of ways, yes.

00:27:47.000 Brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while.

00:27:50.000 But cartel brutality, like when did the cartels really start gaining power?

00:27:54.000 I think the 70s, 70s and 80s is when we start seeing the formation of the first large organizations and federations that are working to produce and or to traffic substances through Mexico up into the United States.

00:28:08.000 Was it originally cocaine?

00:28:10.000 Marijuana.

00:28:11.000 I think originally heroin actually was at the start or the initiation of a lot of this stuff.

00:28:15.000 I think.

00:28:16.000 Where were they getting the heroin?

00:28:20.000 They were planting poppy in the Sierra for the war effort, apparently, for the Americans, because they were running out of morphine, so they needed a place to plant it.

00:28:32.000 And that's one of the places where they kind of started like, oh, you can grow this here.

00:28:36.000 And people were getting ideas.

00:28:38.000 This is the Vietnam War?

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 Vietnam, World War II era.

00:28:46.000 That's when you started seeing the initiation of people planting certain things.

00:28:49.000 So 40s, 50s, 60s?

00:28:51.000 50s, I'd say 50s, yeah.

00:28:53.000 Wow.

00:28:54.000 Well, it's like Vietnam itself is connected to heroin.

00:28:57.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 Because that was, that's the dirty secret about why we were interested in that whole area of Vietnam.

00:29:05.000 And that was a trafficking area.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 The Golden Triangle.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:09.000 And coincidentally, a lot of people got insanely rich somehow or another connected to that.

00:29:15.000 But we had to be over there to stop communism or something.

00:29:19.000 And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam because it has something to do or elements of it remind you of Mexico.

00:29:27.000 It is, Mexico has been a place that has been ruled over by a single party for eighty years, if that, the PRI.

00:29:38.000 And then it went through its democratic period and now we have other parties coming into play.

00:29:44.000 And now you have a ruling party all over Mexico called Morena, who is, you know, this is the party of the Avarazos Novarazos, that's how they started, you know, hugs not bullets against the cartel's policy, which allowed them to grow.

00:29:56.000 And also super effective.

00:29:58.000 Hugs not bullets.

00:30:01.000 But this is coming from a Mexico is liberals too, I guess.

00:30:05.000 Yes, we do.

00:30:07.000 Mexico's three things.

00:30:08.000 Southern Mexico, that's rural Mexxico.

00:30:11.000 Central Mexico, that's where all the woke comes from.

00:30:15.000 The capital of Mexico.

00:30:17.000 Mexico City.

00:30:18.000 That's where all the gender pronouns get issued into law.

00:30:20.000 That's where violence against women specifically and feminicide is now a new thing cataloged under the law. 1.00

00:30:28.000 You can kill a dude, you're fine, but if you kill a woman, that's feminicide, which is way worse. 0.99

00:30:33.000 So that's where a lot of that policy comes from. 0.97

00:30:37.000 And then northern Mexico, where I'm from, that's where, I guess, conservative, that's where all the factories are.

00:30:45.000 That's where all the people, the hardworking people and people that kind of like go the other side of the politics that are woke.

00:30:53.000 That used to be the case, but now Morena's ruling all over the country. 1.00

00:30:58.000 And a lot of the policy they're bringing with them are, you know, to the left.

00:31:04.000 Mexico was very tired from the drug war that had been going on for twenty years that I was a part of for twelve of those years.

00:31:13.000 They saw Felipe Calderón bring the military into this fight to fight the cartels and just kicking a giant beehive.

00:31:20.000 He had, realistically, he really didn't have a clue what he was about to kick off.

00:31:27.000 He had the idea that if you just put the military out, which are not corrupted, well, he thought they were not corrupted, and you militarized a lot of the police going on around it, you can eliminate all these cartel members like, oh, this guy's gone, this guy's gone, and we're just going to secure this area and control.

00:31:45.000 But it's been just basically gremlins, you know.

00:31:49.000 One gremlin will turn into four or five.

00:31:51.000 You cut one head off and it's a hydra.

00:31:54.000 Just a bunch of heads come out now.

00:31:56.000 So Mexico has been going through that for a while.

00:31:58.000 And then this president comes in, Manuel López Obrador, with this plan, like, we'll just leave him alone and they'll stop violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them.

00:32:12.000 How'd that work?

00:32:14.000 He has one of the most violent presidencies in history.

00:32:19.000 His main criticism is Calderon, who started this drug war over his handling of it.

00:32:25.000 He outmatches him from death during his administration.

00:32:30.000 What we saw in his administration was the politicization and they were already in politics, but now they're really overt about it.

00:32:38.000 Now cartels are like they have their own candidates running for office.

00:32:43.000 The mayor of a city and the police chief of a city, they're all cartel members and the police force they're all cartel members in parts of Mexico oh boy all of the political killings that happen in Mexico don't happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedy's out there that are trying to change things right it's because that cartel is sponsoring that candidate and this cartel is sponsoring that candidate so I don't want your candidate to win so I'm gonna go shoot him well there was some insane amount of murders during the last election wasn't it like thirty plus murders see if you can find out how many murders

00:33:13.000 there was that sounds about that's what it sounds about right it is again these criminal organizations have politicized they figured out that you know how can we operate in this region without having too many issues?

00:33:29.000 Let's make the mayor our guy. 0.63

00:33:32.000 Let's elect the governor.

00:33:34.000 We like to think that we're innocent here, but how much different is it with what we do with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people?

00:33:42.000 Because they pay for people's campaigns and those people get in with a specific understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through, what kind of mandates you need to make in terms of mandating the use of certain medications.

00:33:57.000 It's a different type of corruption.

00:33:58.000 It's different from corruption, but it's still drugs.

00:34:01.000 Still drugs?

00:34:02.000 Yeah.

00:34:03.000 Up to sixty.

00:34:05.000 Sixty politicians in the 2024 general and local elections.

00:34:08.000 Sixty politicians were assassinated.

00:34:10.000 Yeah.

00:34:11.000 During pre-campaign and campaign periods. 1.00

00:34:13.000 Fucking yo. 1.00

00:34:15.000 Imagine if that was going on in America. 1.00

00:34:17.000 Marjorie, Terry, the Greens get whacked, AOCs get whacked, like that would be fucking crazy. 0.99

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00:35:20.000 And it is a clear sign that whatever division people had in their heads about the cartels or this organization here, and they're not openly at least involved in any of this political stuff. 0.99

00:35:32.000 And no, all that shit's gone. 0.97

00:35:35.000 Something happened last year. 0.99

00:35:39.000 The arrest of one of the biggest cartel heads in history from Mexico, El Mayo Zambada.

00:35:46.000 He was arrested in Texas.

00:35:49.000 He flew into a private airfield.

00:35:50.000 They flew him into a private airfield under pretty interesting circumstances and then handed him himself over to the authorities.

00:35:58.000 He was arrested there, I mean.

00:36:02.000 That kicked off a lot of violence in Mexico.

00:36:05.000 Why was he willing to fly in?

00:36:07.000 So there's different stories around that.

00:36:10.000 He's told his own story.

00:36:11.000 He's actually talked about this many times openly with his drivers and stuff like that or driving around.

00:36:16.000 So he just talks about it.

00:36:16.000 He's he's older now.

00:36:19.000 He was a ghost.

00:36:20.000 This is El Mayo Zambada was the legitimate leader of the Sinaloa cartel.

00:36:26.000 The US would say that it was Chapo Guzman.

00:36:30.000 Not really.

00:36:31.000 The Sinaloa cartel was a federation.

00:36:33.000 And a lot of the bigger, older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up by this figure, El Mayo Sambada, who in 50 years was never arrested, never grabbed, never caught.

00:36:44.000 You would hear about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew that guy is the head of the Sinaloa Cartel, or he's the bigger guy in that organization, which is a federation of groups.

00:36:57.000 Last time I was here, it was after the Culte Canaso, the incident where they rescued Ovidio, one of El Chapo's sons.

00:37:07.000 Two years ago, they finally got up to him.

00:37:10.000 The army did this operation.

00:37:12.000 Same thing happened.

00:37:12.000 All the cartels burned the city, blocked roads and stuff like that.

00:37:16.000 A lot of special operation soldiers died in his arrest, a few of them.

00:37:22.000 And he was finally arrested and extradited to the United States.

00:37:26.000 Conversations probably happened with him in the United States with a video when he was finally in US custody.

00:37:33.000 And El Chapo Guzman is in a hole and he's not going to get out of the hole.

00:37:38.000 His sons probably figured out that if they don't want to get into a hole too, they probably need to cut a deal.

00:37:44.000 And I think, and the theory is, that that deal probably included handing over the head of the Sinaloa cartel, Mayo Zambada.

00:37:52.000 Sawed by U.S. law enforcement for more than two decades, he was taken into custody after arriving in a private plane at Texas airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez.

00:38:03.000 Guzman Lopez has pleaded not guilty to federal drug trafficking charges in Chicago.

00:38:09.000 His brother, Avidio Guzman Lopez, pleaded guilty last month.

00:38:14.000 Zambada said that he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the U.S. by Guzman Lopez, whose lawyer denies those claims.

00:38:20.000 So this is the shady stuff that happened.

00:38:24.000 El Mayo gets brought into a meeting in Sinaloa by Joaquin, who is, he's not one of the, he's not really into the drug, he's not one of the powerful brothers of the Chapo Guzman brothers that are in the drug trade.

00:38:42.000 He's kind of like wanting out, basically.

00:38:44.000 So at some point he cuts a deal.

00:38:47.000 And in this deal, he's going to get this guy on a plane and I'm going to fly him over, you know, and we're going to make a deal.

00:38:54.000 That's the story.

00:38:57.000 He has him, he has El Mayo come into a meeting between the governor of Sinaloa, which is known publicly.

00:39:02.000 People know this.

00:39:03.000 The governor of Sinaloa was going to be in the meeting with El Mayo Zambada, the head of Sinaloa cartel, who is a member of Morena, the current ruling party all over the country.

00:39:10.000 Also no investigation. 0.99

00:39:11.000 Also, he's still in power, which is shady as fuck. 0.99

00:39:14.000 Between him and a man named Gwen, who was, I think he was the director of the university there. 0.99

00:39:21.000 They had some sort of political dispute and El Mayo was being brought in to, I don't know, negotiate or influence that, which tells you a lot about how the cartels and and politics and the universities are tied right At that meeting, Nemesia Gwen, who is Gwen, who is a friend of El Mayo, the guy who's the director of the university, gets killed.

00:39:48.000 They shoot him.

00:39:50.000 There's a video published of a gas station shootout where he supposedly this man who was the director of the university gets killed. 0.99

00:39:59.000 But it's fucking made up by the state prosecutor. 1.00

00:40:02.000 You know, they're trying to make this shit go away. 1.00

00:40:05.000 Meanwhile, all this stuff starts unraveling. 1.00

00:40:08.000 Oh, they abducted Omayo at that meeting, and that's why they killed this guy. 0.99

00:40:13.000 We don't know, or at least I don't know if there's any specific confirmation that the governor of Sinaloa was there.

00:40:20.000 But he said he went to the US.

00:40:22.000 He was in the US.

00:40:23.000 He wasn't there. 0.98

00:40:24.000 But there's no travel logs of him being in the US it's a it's a shit show They somehow overtake his bodyguards, El Mayo's bodyguards. 0.98

00:40:36.000 They're gone. 0.98

00:40:37.000 Nobody knows where they went.

00:40:38.000 Probably dead somewhere.

00:40:40.000 Got El Mayo on a plane and flew him into Texas.

00:40:45.000 Homeland Security was apparently involved.

00:40:47.000 FBI says that they may have been involved.

00:40:51.000 But I was talking when last time I was here was talking about at some point we're going to see either a direct U.S. intervention or military action in Mexico that's going to kick off things.

00:41:03.000 And I think that was it.

00:41:06.000 After that happened, El Chapo Guzman's sons cut deals.

00:41:11.000 Seventeen members of the Guzman family were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the border with suitcases and were put into FBI vans and suitcases.

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 They're moved, they've they've they've rescued their family members and they took them out of the country.

00:41:30.000 So they're in the US somewhere.

00:41:32.000 Under some kind of protective custody.

00:41:34.000 Of course.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, of course.

00:41:37.000 And if you want to talk about people that know everything, like all the ins and outs, El Mayo Sambala is one.

00:41:46.000 He's the guy.

00:41:47.000 Where is he being detained?

00:41:49.000 I think he's in New York, and I think he just declared himself guilty, and he's probably going to cut a deal.

00:41:54.000 He's older.

00:41:55.000 He's diabetic.

00:41:57.000 He's not going to spend life in prison.

00:42:01.000 El Chapo Guzman went to— Which is wild. 0.98

00:42:05.000 When you think about how long he was running shit and how many people died and how many drugs got— He learned his tradecraft from—he learned his tradecraft in L.A. Here it is. 0.98

00:42:15.000 It's August 25th, so it's soon.

00:42:17.000 A Brooklyn federal judge on Monday scheduled August 25th change of plea hearing for Zimbada, longtime leader of Mexico's Sinopolis.

00:42:24.000 Sinaloa cartel development comes two weeks after federal prosecutors said they wouldn't seek the death penalty against him.

00:42:30.000 There's a deal there.

00:42:32.000 And they're going to put him in the same prison as Glaim Maxwell.

00:42:36.000 I don't see him jogging, but yeah, probably.

00:42:38.000 Doing yoga.

00:42:44.000 There's a deal coming.

00:42:45.000 And there's a there's this sense in the US that, you know, Trump came into power and declared these organizations terrorist organizations.

00:42:57.000 And there was an expectation that that meant gloves off and you're going to see military action pretty soon.

00:43:04.000 But what we've seen has been a very calculated surgical operation, it looks like.

00:43:11.000 I don't know.

00:43:11.000 I mean, you see, they took out the head of the Sinaloa cartel, and Sinaloa has been on fire ever since.

00:43:19.000 It is open warfare between the last remaining sons of El Chapo Guzman and the sons of Amayo.

00:43:25.000 who are now in the streets.

00:43:26.000 I've seen video.

00:43:27.000 It's bananas.

00:43:28.000 It is a war zone on the streets.

00:43:31.000 See if you can find some of that Sinaloa video, Jamie, because it is shocking.

00:43:36.000 When that, when this, when this war kicked.

00:43:41.000 off between these two factions in Sinaloa, schools closed.

00:43:46.000 People didn't want to go out because their cars were going to get jacked, get burned and put in the middle of the street.

00:43:51.000 Companies closed.

00:43:53.000 all of the luxury environment around these criminal organizations that they built up.

00:43:59.000 I mean, these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton stores and click on, you know, and exotic cars being sold in these dealerships and all of the bands that would play live music at their places and all these exotic seafood places, all these places just...

00:44:24.000 This economy started crashing and it's the Mexican government comes out, the president, the presidenta, the current president, Shane Baum comes out and she blames this state being on fire, the US.

00:44:43.000 Like the US came in here and abducted. 0.63

00:44:46.000 El Mayo Zambada, a Mexican national.

00:44:49.000 And they charge Joaquín Guzmán, who was involved in the operation to pick up El Mayo, they charge him with high treason in Mexico..

00:44:58.000 For abducting Omar Isaac Biden and putting him in the US, which is High treason.

00:45:02.000 He's he's charged with high treason.

00:45:03.000 So if you're for abducting a drug lord.

00:45:05.000 Yes.

00:45:06.000 Whoa.

00:45:07.000 Which is like, I don't know, like I'm doing the math on all that.

00:45:11.000 But you have this, you have this situation now where she's blaming the US for basically causing this instability.

00:45:16.000 Give me some volume on this.

00:45:18.000 Oh, this is, these, these is the members of El Mayo's family shooting up all the luxury houses of those Chapitos. 0.99

00:45:32.000 Jeez.

00:45:34.000 I hope these guys are using ear protection.

00:45:36.000 No, they're not.

00:45:37.000 We'll talk about that in a bit. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Yeah, you could probably sneak up on all those fuckers. 1.00

00:45:43.000 They're probably all deaf. 1.00

00:45:44.000 but they're basically shooting up all the luxury apartments that they know are owned by the chapos in that area.

00:45:57.000 They love 100 round drum magazines in Mexico for some reason.

00:46:01.000 That's a 50 caliber without hearing protection.

00:46:05.000 Why?

00:46:05.000 You don't need it.

00:46:09.000 How many of those guys are deaf?

00:46:10.000 Oh, and a lot of them have severe hearing loss.

00:46:13.000 And I recently went to Jalisco.

00:46:17.000 with a friend of mine who has a YouTube channel called The Connect, Johnny Mitchell.

00:46:22.000 He talked to drug dealers and people in that life.

00:46:26.000 There's a friend of mine in Mexico and he's basically the Mexican Sean Ryan.

00:46:32.000 Agafe 423 is his handle.

00:46:36.000 And he interviews like cartel members and people from that life.

00:46:39.000 Woo.

00:46:41.000 And do they wear masks or something?

00:46:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:44.000 We talked to a kid that was six months out of working with what is currently, I think, priority number one should be priority number one for the US, the new generation cartel.

00:46:56.000 This militarized cartel out of Jalisco that has been with this war going on between the Sunilama factions, I mean, it's Christmas for them. 0.95

00:47:06.000 So when we went down there, he introduced us to this kid who was freshly off basically he was involved in tank warfare on the borders between Jalisco and Zacatecas against Los Mayos, who you see there firing at these houses.

00:47:26.000 Tanks.

00:47:27.000 They're making their own tanks.

00:47:29.000 If you get your truck stolen up here and probably gets driven to Mexxico, they're going to make a tank out of it probably. 0.51

00:47:35.000 They're making these artisanally made tanks, basically.

00:47:39.000 Mostly what they are...

00:47:43.000 That's a pretty old one.

00:47:44.000 I think that's from the Zeta period.

00:47:46.000 That's cool though. 0.98

00:47:47.000 That looks like a fucking Mad Max vehicle. 0.99

00:47:49.000 But what they do is they make these tanks. 0.99

00:47:53.000 And his job was to be in the back of one of these with a 50-cal rifle.

00:48:00.000 So what they do is you'll get into a dirt road and they'll put their trucks like this with their backs turned.

00:48:09.000 And I was like, why don't you just ram them with the front?

00:48:12.000 The engine will go out.

00:48:13.000 You have to ram them with the back of the truck.

00:48:15.000 So they'll just go into like this destruction derby in the hills and shoot at each other until there's a clear winner is what they do basically.

00:48:25.000 And their main weapons are 50-caliber rifles.

00:48:29.000 So they'll be in the back of the truck and they'll like, now, now, now.

00:48:33.000 And they'll just, somebody's on radio inside the cabin trying to call out what's going on.

00:48:37.000 And they'll pop out and start.

00:48:41.000 How come no one's figured out ear protection?

00:48:44.000 They put bullets in their ears.

00:48:46.000 I've seen that. 0.99

00:48:47.000 They put like plastic things in their ears, but realistically, they don't get shit and they're expendable. 0.96

00:48:53.000 That's why there's no ear in the ears. 0.82

00:48:56.000 But you get like a pair of Walker's game ears on Amazon.

00:48:59.000 It's not that expensive.

00:49:00.000 No, none of that is down there.

00:49:03.000 This kid walked us through how he was all the way from his recruitment, through his training, through this tank warfare thing that they sent him on, and now into his life where he was like, why I laughed about your question about hearing protection is I was the first person that showed him what tinnitus was and what hearing loss was.

00:49:23.000 Because he kept like, what did you say?

00:49:25.000 It's like, hey, dude, do you have hearing loss?

00:49:28.000 Like, no, like, I just, like, dude, you have severe hearing loss from what you went through.

00:49:34.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 Probably.

00:49:35.000 These are tanks going after each other?

00:49:39.000 Yeah.

00:49:39.000 You'll see this in different, I mean, they're fighting over drug routes, basically, and territory.

00:49:46.000 Jesus Christ, they're so close to each other.

00:49:49.000 50 caliber at, like, 10 foot distance.

00:49:55.000 And the drones are now involved in this as well, because why not?

00:50:03.000 Of course.

00:50:04.000 So, and the way he was recruiting.

00:50:08.000 recruited is pretty interesting.

00:50:10.000 He was an Uber driver.

00:50:11.000 This kid, again, you will look at it, this kid, if you found him somewhere, just normal kid.

00:50:18.000 He's 20, 23 right now, I think, but looks like a kid.

00:50:24.000 Uber driver crashes into somebody, accident, doesn't have enough money to pay the extra for the insurance.

00:50:31.000 So he's like, God, what am I going to do?

00:50:33.000 You know, married, newly married.

00:50:37.000 What am I going to do?

00:50:39.000 Goes on TikTok.

00:50:41.000 And he sees an advertisement on TikTok for like, hey, you need money?

00:50:46.000 This is how much we pay you if you come work with us.

00:50:49.000 The cartel advertisement.

00:50:51.000 The cartel uses TikTok to recruit.

00:50:53.000 Yes.

00:50:54.000 Facebook, TikTok.

00:50:56.000 Of course.

00:50:56.000 But it makes perfect sense.

00:50:58.000 But specifically, TikTok is one of their biggest recruiting methods.

00:51:02.000 And it's in the open.

00:51:03.000 It's not like, hey, like, you have to access this private page and go and do this.

00:51:07.000 No, it's like, hey, you want to come work for the four letters is the way they call themselves.

00:51:11.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 Just call this number.

00:51:14.000 So he called this number and he was like told to meet somebody at a bus station.

00:51:22.000 He goes, meets these people at the bus station.

00:51:25.000 They checked them, like, give me your phones, like, we don't want to be tracked.

00:51:30.000 And then they drive them to a place where they were going to be trained, I guess, is what he said. 0.96

00:51:36.000 And then cops stop him in the road, beat the shit out of all of them there, torture a few of them. 0.95

00:51:43.000 What are you doing? 0.98

00:51:43.000 Where are you going? 0.98

00:51:44.000 They don't tell them anything.

00:51:46.000 Don't tell them anything.

00:51:49.000 And after they got the beating of their life, they, ah, good.

00:51:51.000 You passed the test.

00:51:53.000 And now you're going to go with us.

00:51:54.000 Oh, so that was what it was for.

00:51:56.000 But the uniformed cops were all cartel members.

00:51:59.000 Oh, my God.

00:52:00.000 And the police, like, all these are places where they everybody's in on it.

00:52:05.000 So it's just to see if you'll crack.

00:52:09.000 He gets driven to one of these ranches, these training camps.

00:52:14.000 And it's not like, you know, I remember seeing the Al Qaeda training camps or the guys on the monkey bars and stuff like that.

00:52:20.000 These are military compounds that are in the Sierras and the mountains.

00:52:27.000 There was a case recently where they thought they found these masked graves that turned out to be actually training camps.

00:52:31.000 There were dead people there, but they found all these shoes that they were calling them Mexican Auschwitz.

00:52:38.000 But what they actually found is a processing space.

00:52:41.000 Like you go there and they strip off all your clothes and your shoes and they leave them there because they give you new shoes because they don't want to be tracked.

00:52:48.000 So it was one of those processing places.

00:52:50.000 So then you end up in some of the training camps.

00:52:56.000 He describes active duty military personnel training them in the hills.

00:53:02.000 Mexican military personnel training them in the hills.

00:53:06.000 Former special operators from Colombia.

00:53:09.000 Some former special operators from Mexico.

00:53:12.000 Some from America as well, right?

00:53:14.000 There's rumors and again, I have not talked directly to anybody that knows of that, that's had eyes on them, but there are rumors of at least two American specialists of some sort, because I've heard Delta Forests and SEALs and I don't know.

00:53:32.000 But there is a clear communication of methods and technology.

00:53:38.000 IEDs are a thing in Mexico now. 0.72

00:53:41.000 Like IEDs are very reminiscent of things that you would see in Afghanistan and Iraq. 0.74

00:53:46.000 And the only way that they come over here is not from an Afghan or Iraqi coming over and showing us how to make IEDs. 1.00

00:53:52.000 It's probably an EOD tech of some sort from the US that has some experience that doesn't know how to make some of these.

00:53:57.000 That's one where that's one place where they were learning their trade craft.

00:54:01.000 Another one is Colombia.

00:54:04.000 Colombian operators have been showing up in weird parts of the world fighting.

00:54:07.000 I mean, they're in the Ukrainian war right now learning about drone technology.

00:54:12.000 Some of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in the Ukrainian front are now back in Mexico showing the cartels what they learned about drone warfare in the Ukrainian war.

00:54:22.000 So this kid describes this training camp where it's the army.

00:54:26.000 People are marching around, people are in uniform, people are getting trained, and they'll get people brought into this training camp and like, hey, let's see if you're worthy. 0.97

00:54:37.000 And they'll give you a a gun and, like, kill. 1.00

00:54:42.000 Just kill some random person. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:54:44.000 And this kid describes how he that's the first dude he killed, just an unarmed dude that he was dragged into that camp. 0.96

00:54:51.000 So they just drag a dude just to see if you're capable of taking one of them.

00:54:54.000 I think he was one of the guys that tried to run. 0.99

00:54:58.000 Because it's, it's, I mean, it's like, it's, I say, it's like the military, but they'll kill you there if you fuck it up or they'll beat you, or they'll beat you, flog you. 0.99

00:55:08.000 It is a job. 0.99

00:55:09.000 It is a, it is like a structured job.

00:55:11.000 You get a, you get, you get money paid to you every, every quinsana, every fifth.

00:55:16.000 Every quinceena, every fifteen days, and a bonus at the end of the month, you get equipment, you know.

00:55:21.000 You get selected for certain activities. 0.99

00:55:23.000 He was selected for tank duty and they sent him on his fucking tank to fight in the hills. 0.98

00:55:29.000 Some people get selected to manage some of their drugstores. 0.99

00:55:33.000 Some people get managed to just be lookouts.

00:55:37.000 But it's a giant network of people that they've managed to create for themselves in this region, this new generation cartel.

00:55:44.000 It's one of the largest and fastest growing cartels in Mexico, and it is now probably operating all over Mexico.

00:55:52.000 And recruiting people on is through TikTok, yes.

00:55:58.000 Openly.

00:55:59.000 And again, it's not in, it's not, you don't have to search for it.

00:56:02.000 It's there.

00:56:05.000 People smugglers advertise on TikTok constantly as well.

00:56:08.000 Like, you'll have videos of people here in Texas that went through the border recently and with a newspaper, like, hey, I'm in Texas now.

00:56:15.000 Look at the newspaper.

00:56:16.000 And like, they were, but they were in Mexico like a few hours later, a few hours before with the newspaper.

00:56:21.000 And like, this is Saul.

00:56:23.000 Saul is the best smuggler out there.

00:56:26.000 Hire him for like a safe crossing.

00:56:28.000 This is on TikTok.

00:56:30.000 I mean, it's in wild.

00:56:35.000 People don't realize how big of a tool that's being utilized in Mexico as a recruiting tool.

00:56:39.000 It's a propaganda tool as well. 0.99

00:56:42.000 That's what they'll talk shit to each other through that medium. 0.98

00:56:46.000 How did this kid get out? 0.99

00:56:48.000 He ran.

00:56:49.000 I think he managed to prove himself a bit and he managed to get the favor of one of their leaders and he told them like, hey, I know you're gonna want a beer. 1.00

00:57:01.000 Leave your shit and run, I guess. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Don't come back. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Don't look back. 1.00

00:57:05.000 Oh, so they let him run?

00:57:06.000 They let him run.

00:57:08.000 But not everybody gets that opportunity.

00:57:11.000 So it was just somebody who liked him, maybe?

00:57:13.000 He got he got he got he said he worked well in that organization.

00:57:18.000 He got favor and eventually said, you know what, I have a wife and a kid that I need to get back to.

00:57:22.000 Is there a way they let him go?

00:57:24.000 How long was he being held? 0.99

00:57:27.000 I think he said something about six or eight months and he went through some shit. 0.97

00:57:34.000 Most of what he went through was in the border between Jalisco and Zacatecas where the Mayos are trying to fight over that territory. 0.96

00:57:42.000 It's basically one of the corridors up into the border region of Mexico through Mexico.

00:57:46.000 So that's people are always fighting over these regions.

00:57:52.000 He came back with PTSD, hearing loss, and again, all these things are unknown.

00:57:58.000 He's a Mexican kid without health insurance. 0.97

00:58:00.000 How is he going to know any of these things?

00:58:02.000 When I talked to him for a bit, he was like, Oh, that makes sense.

00:58:05.000 I was like, Yeah, do you drink a lot?

00:58:07.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 I know why. 0.93

00:58:10.000 I used to drink a shit ton. 0.96

00:58:11.000 You know? 0.98

00:58:13.000 Nightmares?

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:15.000 Like rage moments?

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:17.000 Like, this sounds like you have PTSD, dude.

00:58:20.000 Like, sit down.

00:58:23.000 So, but he's like one in a thousand.

00:58:26.000 There are thousands, thousands of kids like that out there who have gone through some of these things, Both on the military and police side and also the cartel side.

00:58:33.000 Highly traumatized individuals that just, but there's no, there's nothing for them down there.

00:58:39.000 If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble.

00:58:42.000 If they look for help, there's no help out there. 0.99

00:58:44.000 So this kid is trying to reform his life with all this fucking damage in him. 0.99

00:58:49.000 He lost his family that he fought so much to get back to. 0.99

00:58:57.000 Which is, you know.

00:58:59.000 It's just one small story and tragedy of, but you go to Jalisco and they have a roundabout there in Jalisco.

00:59:08.000 It's Los de Zaparecillos where the missing are.

00:59:11.000 And it's covered in posters of missing people in Guadalajara.

00:59:16.000 It is like one of those zombie movies where they have all these, like the, where all the missing people posters on them because zombie outbreak happened.

00:59:24.000 It's like that, except it's people.

00:59:29.000 Over 100,000 according to official numbers in Mexico as far as missing.

00:59:35.000 It's gone.

00:59:38.000 And that's another aspect of this war that people don't kind of like realize.

00:59:45.000 The numbers are skewed, you know, because.

00:59:48.000 there's no confirmed dead person for a number of the amount of people murdered if there's no body.

00:59:54.000 And Mexico has become very good at getting rid of bodies. 0.99

00:59:58.000 The culture is in Mexico.

01:00:00.000 I was in Coahuila working with a tactical group out there.

01:00:08.000 They showed me, I mean, I'm always learning from people.

01:00:12.000 Different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies.

01:00:15.000 some just burn them just throw a fleet of fuel on them to see if they can burn in this part of the country called wheeler which is on the east side of the country they And diesel can get really hot without igniting.

01:00:32.000 And that's where they put the bodies inside.

01:00:34.000 Basically, boil them down to their essential essence.

01:00:38.000 And there's nothing to find, is what they tell me with that process.

01:00:44.000 You go to my hometown of Tijuana.

01:00:45.000 That's where we have.

01:00:47.000 Boiling cauldrons of diesel to dispose bodies.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 And then you go to Tijuana, where I'm from, and then you got the phenomenon of a Pozolero who would get rid of people with caustic soda, just a mixture of chemicals that you could find at a hardware store and they would make people into pink slurry and they just dump the pink slurry in a hole and just cover it up. 1.00

01:01:11.000 So the numbers that we see as far as dead and missing, it's not a real number.

01:01:17.000 It has to be bigger.

01:01:22.000 It is a place where you'll go into some towns and there's just a bunch of old men and females because all the men are gone.

01:01:31.000 Or you'll see these abandoned graves in some place.

01:01:38.000 I talked to a lady who's a these organizations all over the country right now, there are grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding clandestine body disposal places. 1.00

01:01:49.000 They're looking for their family members, basically.

01:01:54.000 How do you say that word?

01:01:56.000 Isagiri?

01:01:57.000 Yeah, yeah, that's the one I told you that was people were trying to make it seem like this was like an extermination camp.

01:02:06.000 How do you say the word?

01:02:06.000 Isagiri.

01:02:07.000 Isagiri.

01:02:09.000 High concentrations of ash suggest the presence of clandestine crematoriums.

01:02:13.000 Yeah, bodies were disposed of there, not at the volume of an Auschwitz level thing, but yeah, there were definitely people getting burned there.

01:02:23.000 So they're just killing people all the time.

01:02:26.000 Yeah, I mean, body disposal to a level where there's nothing left is something you do in a place where you're worried about the government catching you.

01:02:33.000 But this is Guadalajara, this is Hollis because this new generation cartel territory, they're not worried about bodies being found.

01:02:42.000 There's no forensic services in some of these places are like, here's some spent casings from this murder.

01:02:49.000 Oh, thank you.

01:02:50.000 Just throw them in this hill of, this giant hill of casings that they have in this evidence locker, right?

01:02:56.000 They're overwhelmed. 0.97

01:02:57.000 There's no I can't say, well, I couldn't solve any crimes, you're dead.

01:03:02.000 90% of all Imagine your job, if you do it well, you're dead.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:07.000 Well, you're not going to do it well.

01:03:09.000 90% of all murders in Mexico are never solved.

01:03:12.000 90.

01:03:13.000 Maybe a bit over that.

01:03:17.000 So it's you, you, you have this cartel now that is, you have El Mayo Sambata's gone.

01:03:28.000 El Chapo's sons are cutting a deal.

01:03:30.000 One of them apparently has made an alliance with the head of the new generation cartel, a man by El Mencho.

01:03:37.000 His nickname is El Mencho.

01:03:39.000 Nemecio Segura Cervantes is his real name.

01:03:42.000 The last time I was here, there was like, this was almost five years ago.

01:03:46.000 I was here.

01:03:46.000 There were questions about if he was even alive or not.

01:03:49.000 People thought he was being kept alive as this folk figure because he's low key, very low key, not like he's not flashy.

01:03:59.000 Everything's militarized.

01:04:00.000 He's very good at his tradecraft.

01:04:04.000 But recently, you know, he's very much alive.

01:04:07.000 He's very much exposed himself a few times.

01:04:10.000 He was almost arrested recently.

01:04:12.000 And the federal police apparently tipped off his security about the operation against him.

01:04:17.000 It's the second time he was almost arrested.

01:04:19.000 He's the biggest target right now in Mexico.

01:04:24.000 We recently learned through the media of Trump's authorization of utilizing military action in Latin America in general, all the way from Venezuela, all the way up to Mexico.

01:04:37.000 And you hear these rumblings of like, how is this military operation going to look like?

01:04:41.000 Is this going to be an invasion?

01:04:43.000 Are we going to see like a column of U.S. Marines driving down to Tijuana?

01:04:48.000 We're probably going to spend some time in Tijuana.

01:04:50.000 It's probably not a good idea.

01:04:52.000 Are we going to see like people delta?

01:04:54.000 People, Delta Force guys, showing up in Tijuana and Culiacan and going on a raid on their own without permission of the local authorities.

01:05:03.000 What's this going to look like?

01:05:07.000 I don't see a direct trust between Mexico and the United States anymore.

01:05:13.000 There's like, there's issues there.

01:05:16.000 The US has realized that politics are compromised at high level in Mexico.

01:05:21.000 Completely.

01:05:23.000 With the example of the recent almost arrest of Nenecio Cervantes Lomencho, you see that the federal forces are compromised as well.

01:05:31.000 So like, who do you trustust as an American force that is trying to cut the stem of drugs into this country is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation.

01:05:43.000 And who do you trust down there? 0.91

01:05:48.000 I posted, I'm friends with a bunch of dork's, and they're all looking at flight tracker and intelligence and stuff like that, and I'm a dork too.

01:05:57.000 And one of them sent me this suspicious. 0.52

01:06:01.000 drone, American drone flying over the state of Mexico in circles.

01:06:05.000 And I posted it immediately.

01:06:07.000 I think I was one of the first ones to post it online.

01:06:10.000 And a press briefing happened almost immediately.

01:06:14.000 And the head of public safety in Mexico, Omar Gassier, who said, like, oh, yeah, this is, we asked for this drone to fly over this area.

01:06:23.000 Who did you ask? 0.98

01:06:25.000 This is not a military drone, but we asked for it to fly over this area, which I don't think he knows what the fuck is going on. 0.97

01:06:33.000 I don't know why. 0.85

01:06:34.000 I don't think he knows why there's a drone flying out over a very specific part of Mexico.

01:06:38.000 I don't know.

01:06:38.000 It seemed like he didn't or either he didn't want to reveal this drone or but there have been many times recently of drones just flying close to the close to the border or over over Mexico.

01:06:51.000 They're clearly drawing a map, an intelligence map of targets in Mexico.

01:06:56.000 So something is coming, I think.

01:06:58.000 Whoa.

01:07:00.000 But what is it going to look like though?

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:02.000 Is the question that people are asking.

01:07:04.000 I don't know.

01:07:07.000 Speaking to somebody like Gafe down in Mexico, he was a former member of the Special Operations.

01:07:14.000 And I asked him like, hey, what is the military going to do with the USS?

01:07:18.000 Like, we're going in without your approval.

01:07:21.000 He said, well, if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters.

01:07:35.000 And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways because some of them are working for them and some of them are working for us.

01:07:41.000 So you will make the whole a cohesive force against you.

01:07:46.000 Oh boy.

01:07:48.000 Which is an interesting theory, you know, if that happens.

01:07:52.000 That seems likely.

01:07:54.000 It does.

01:07:54.000 Yeah, because there's like anti-U.S.

01:07:56.000 sentiment already.

01:07:57.000 It is.

01:07:58.000 And then also the closing of the borders and...

01:08:02.000 I mean, Trump is divisive.

01:08:05.000 And in Mexico, he has been...

01:08:14.000 This is the enemy, specifically bad politicians down there.

01:08:18.000 He's pretty easy to just vilify.

01:08:20.000 It's his fault.

01:08:21.000 Why is Sinaloa on fire?

01:08:24.000 Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that, who's part of your party, but you haven't figured out how to get him out of office.

01:08:32.000 Maybe it's that.

01:08:33.000 Or no, it's the U.S. because they abducted El Mayo. 0.91

01:08:36.000 That's why that place is on fire.

01:08:37.000 That's why they charge someone with treason.

01:08:39.000 That's why they charge somebody with high treason, which is unheard of.

01:08:43.000 But there you go.

01:08:43.000 So, like, who...

01:08:49.000 And so Mexico has pressed the whole the US is responsible for this. 0.77

01:08:55.000 And they're kind of wiping their hands from it. 0.96

01:08:57.000 And the US keeps pointing their finger at the high level government, which is something again, five years ago I spoke about this on this podcast and I got a lot of shit for it. 0.73

01:09:07.000 I said, there's no way of going after cartels in Mexico without going after the government. 0.75

01:09:13.000 Because they're one and the same in a lot of places.

01:09:16.000 And that was back then.

01:09:17.000 And now it's even more clear as to how tied they are.

01:09:21.000 If nothing happens, if the United States doesn't do anything how much bigger can the cartels get this is the question it's like yeah what is going to happen to just this entire country that if you have a if you have and this is what that's why you have a lot of conflicts happening in routes that are leading towards the border the Sinaloa cartel operated in a very old-fashioned

01:09:51.000 way You know, they wouldn't no cagas and de comas.

01:09:55.000 It was their politics. 0.99

01:09:56.000 Don't shit where you eat was their politics for a long time. 0.99

01:10:01.000 You saw a change in this when the brutality aspect and how it changed in Mexico. 0.99

01:10:11.000 There was an incident.

01:10:12.000 Members of Los Arellano Felix Cartel, the Tijuana Cartel, were in direct conflict with elements of El Chapo, Guzmán's organization.

01:10:21.000 And they had an assassin basically infiltrate the living circle of one of El Chapo's main guys, El Guadalajara.

01:10:37.000 And he seduced his wife.

01:10:41.000 killed her and abducted his kids and threw them off a bridge and sent that video to Alawed Obama. 0.99

01:10:49.000 And I think after, I mean, brutal shit had happened after that, before that, but I think that set off this. 0.95

01:10:59.000 At some point, that whole war that happened, you know, you start getting the elements of the Zetas coming in who were former special operator guys who basically said like, we can start our own cartel, which a lot of them were Fort Bragg trained individuals that went down to, yeah, some of them. 0.86

01:11:19.000 went through the Green Beret course.

01:11:23.000 Foreign nationals go through that course a lot.

01:11:24.000 So they went to the Green Beret course and then they go back to Mexico. 0.81

01:11:27.000 And then as soon as they get back to Mexico, like, oh, congratulations on your cool Green Beret and all this training.

01:11:33.000 Come train our guys.

01:11:35.000 Or come work for us. 0.66

01:11:38.000 So at some point, all of this started militarizing the conflict in Mexico.

01:11:45.000 It went from gang.

01:11:46.000 against gang violence, which is very reminiscent of some of the stuff that happened up here during the gang era or some of the Al Capone era, shootouts between people.

01:12:00.000 The Zetas changed the game.

01:12:02.000 They started bringing in guerrilla warfare tactics into this realm.

01:12:08.000 They started doing all of those torture videos and cartel execution videos.

01:12:14.000 That's that comes from them.

01:12:17.000 They realized that, you know, part of a guerrilla warfare campaign is propaganda.

01:12:21.000 And how can you make propaganda of shooting a guy in a field?

01:12:25.000 Right.

01:12:25.000 Film it.

01:12:27.000 So they changed that game.

01:12:30.000 They started realizing that, yeah, it's one thing to have a kid with sneakers on the back of a truck with an AK whose dad was part of the organization and he brought his kid in but it's probably a better idea to have militarized or paramilitary groups working with us you know so they started getting these evolutions of ideas of what a criminal organization should be um and all of that you know um the members of the new generation cartel that is now kind of like dominating mexico started off as a zeta

01:13:00.000 hunting force by the that the zina law cartel formed in Jalisco and they said like well we can do this for ourselves now too as well so that's how they originated in a lot of ways so this organization has taken the textbook learning process of all these other cartels and is now this cartel with all this foundation,

01:13:20.000 educational foundation as far as how to set up an organization, how to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate on both sides of the border, how to augment their capabilities constantly through technology.

01:13:35.000 Drown warfare was first seen, I think, in Mexico. 0.97

01:13:40.000 You saw drones dropping bombs and shit like that in Mexico before the Ukrainian conflict. 0.98

01:13:46.000 But they got really good at it. 1.00

01:13:48.000 I mean, the Ukrainians have fucking taken that shit to an art form. 1.00

01:13:51.000 There are Mexican nationals fighting for their foreign services brigades in the Ukraine. 1.00

01:13:57.000 And some of them have gone into that route, drone operators.

01:14:01.000 And some of them are coming back.

01:14:03.000 And you started seeing this sudden sophistication.

01:14:07.000 It used to be bomblets dropped from these commercial drones and the explosives were more probably mining-level explosives.

01:14:15.000 You started seeing these bomblets made, and they were more reminiscent of Colombian explosives or IRA-era explosives.

01:14:25.000 And now you're seeing these coordinated drone attacks on military forces in Mexico.

01:14:30.000 I think they recently got a...

01:14:36.000 They didn't kill him, but they almost killed him.

01:14:39.000 So we started seeing these drones now being operated as scouts.

01:14:45.000 So you can't get close to them because these drones are in the sky.

01:14:48.000 So now you're seeing drone cartels fighting against other cartel drones.

01:14:52.000 So now we're seeing cartel guys with these futuristic drone anti-drone guns in the field.

01:14:57.000 We've seen those things, yeah. 0.98

01:14:59.000 They look like space guns, but in the hands of a cartel guy wearing sandals, which is what the fuck's going on with these people? 0.94

01:15:08.000 So you start seeing all this augmentation of capability. 0.68

01:15:12.000 This single cartel now has all of this history behind it, all of these lessons behind it, all this training behind it, all this technology, and it is poised to make punch a hole right through its territory and go up north into the United States, right?

01:15:29.000 There are no segments of the border wall currently that are actually controlled and or a city that is controlled by the new generation cartel that is on the border.

01:15:39.000 That's not the case now.

01:15:41.000 But there are places that are starting to maybe look like they're going that way.

01:15:46.000 Tijuana being one of them, where I'm from.

01:15:49.000 You start seeing the last remaining sons of El Chapo Guzman that are free.

01:15:55.000 Archivalo is the strongest one.

01:15:57.000 And his faction of Los Chapitos, as they call themselves, this past year announced that they had reached an alliance with this new cartel, this new generation cartel.

01:16:08.000 So it's now a cohesive force and they had historical ties and a part of the border that they owned already that they inherited from their father.

01:16:17.000 So that nightmare scenario having this cartel now having a clear doorway into the United States is pretty close if it's not there already.

01:16:26.000 And how wild would it be if the border was still wide open?

01:16:30.000 Because they've cut down on illegal immigrants by some high 90 percent.

01:16:35.000 Yeah, it's way down.

01:16:36.000 There's still crossings going on.

01:16:37.000 Oh yeah.

01:16:38.000 It's just it's really expensive.

01:16:40.000 It's really expensive.

01:16:41.000 You got to get that guy off TikTok.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:45.000 There's a bunch of ways they do.

01:16:47.000 I saw one where they were like, hey, they'll grab a portfolio full of copies of IDs and like, oh, you look like this dude.

01:16:57.000 And then they'll give you, you know, they'll say, just get really drunk before you cross and pretend you're asleep.

01:17:04.000 And they'll give you paperwork that looks like the dude that looks like you. 0.61

01:17:07.000 And that's how they cross people.

01:17:09.000 And it's a lot.

01:17:10.000 It's very expensive.

01:17:11.000 That's how they cross you.

01:17:13.000 Fast boats.

01:17:14.000 You know, there's a bunch of videos online just boats just arriving on the beach and just dudes jumping out.

01:17:18.000 It's a classic.

01:17:19.000 And running.

01:17:20.000 And running.

01:17:20.000 There's like push they're in.

01:17:21.000 They're in.

01:17:22.000 There's a shortage of those wave runners. 0.99

01:17:24.000 There's a shortage of them in Mexico because they just buy them just a Well, a short trip.

01:17:29.000 I mean, if you think, if you get on one in Tijuana and you hop over to San Diego, it's not that far.

01:17:35.000 No, and they'll swarm it now.

01:17:37.000 They'll do many of those boats.

01:17:38.000 And if you were in TJ, you could see off the coast.

01:17:41.000 There's a bunch of Navy ships now off the coast there.

01:17:44.000 So like, which is a cost for alarm.

01:17:46.000 for a lot of Mexicans.

01:17:50.000 Mexicans view any sort of intervention by the United States with fear.

01:17:56.000 Although they are also fearful of what happens if this is allowed to continue in Mexico, and they don't see any solutions from the government.

01:18:05.000 It seems like the opposite.

01:18:06.000 It seems like it's going more and more towards the cartel.

01:18:08.000 Yeah.

01:18:09.000 So what would happen if the United States didn't infiltrate?

01:18:12.000 If the United States didn't attack, if something didn't happen, if they just stepped away.

01:18:17.000 we're already involved.

01:18:18.000 You know, this arrest of Amara Zambada, this violence What's worrying in the eyes of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans, I guess, the, you know, the fact that there was a promise of no negotiating with terrorists, or at least it's something that is assumed, you know, you don't negotiate with terrorists.

01:18:48.000 It's like a thing, you know.

01:18:50.000 But all of a sudden, one of these factions just made a deal, and now they're negotiating with them, and now all these people are crossing that border.

01:18:56.000 Their family members are crossing that border, and now in the safety of the United States.

01:19:02.000 The dude that the United States made a deal with is responsible for the death of a few special operators that were a part of his arrest.

01:19:09.000 What are they going to tell their families of that loss and why they died?

01:19:15.000 And also the piles of bodies that were around after both of his arrest attempts.

01:19:23.000 So there's distrust on all sides.

01:19:24.000 Mexicans don't trust the government to solve it because... 0.58

01:19:32.000 What's her deal? 0.91

01:19:34.000 Shame mom? 1.00

01:19:36.000 Woke, very woke, very to the left.

01:19:39.000 A few guerrilla forces in Central America have come out and said that she's one of her that she was one of the resistance fighters with them.

01:19:49.000 Jewish heritage.

01:19:51.000 That's kind of odd.

01:19:52.000 It is very odd for Mexico.

01:19:55.000 Very loved by large segments of the population.

01:20:02.000 What is about it that she's loved?

01:20:04.000 Like what is about her policies or what she represents?

01:20:06.000 I think she's feeding off a lot of the love that they had for AMLO.

01:20:10.000 AMLO was our Trump.

01:20:13.000 That's the best way of describing him.

01:20:15.000 A populist guy, dresser.

01:20:26.000 He won by a landslide.

01:20:29.000 but he kept talking about conservatives and the previous parties, but all the Moreno Party is made up of all these other politicians just switching sides and joining his party.

01:20:39.000 Shame Mom came in with... 1.00

01:20:47.000 She immediately reversed the whole of Rasso and the Balazo. 1.00

01:20:49.000 I mean, there's Balazo on the table now. 0.62

01:20:52.000 I recognize that.

01:20:53.000 She brought into office with her man...

01:20:59.000 When you said Velasos was it?

01:21:01.000 Abrazzon non balasos, like hugs not bullets.

01:21:04.000 She got rid of that.

01:21:05.000 Now there's a lot more.

01:21:06.000 There's a lot of balasos.

01:21:07.000 There's more bullets now.

01:21:08.000 Okay.

01:21:09.000 There's a man in power right now, a security official named Omar Garcia Harfouge, who he has a sordid history in Mexico. 0.99

01:21:20.000 He comes from people he's been in circles of people that have been involved in some shit. 0.94

01:21:26.000 But he himself has not been. 0.88

01:21:28.000 There's nothing on him that we know of, you know?

01:21:32.000 El super policia, the super cop is what he called.

01:21:35.000 He's very well loved by his men.

01:21:36.000 I actually talked to a few people that work directly with him.

01:21:39.000 He seems to be like a guy who's willing to go up to task.

01:21:43.000 And he's receiving all this pressure from the United States that, like, we need results from you guys.

01:21:48.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:21:49.000 So he has been heading up operations against some of these organizations, specifically in Sinaloa.

01:21:54.000 And we've seen record breaking fentanyl seizures and high-level politicians being caught up in some of these things.

01:22:03.000 And specifically, the interesting part of the operations he's conducting all over Mexico is he's actually going after municipalities.

01:22:11.000 So he's going after, like, municipal presidents and some of the local governments that are basically all corrupted.

01:22:17.000 He realizes that, hey, where's the cartel here?

01:22:19.000 Oh, the cartel's a government.

01:22:21.000 Local government's a cartel.

01:22:22.000 Oh.

01:22:23.000 So they do these mass swarm operations on some of these places where they arrest a police chief, they arrest the mayor.

01:22:29.000 They're that this is, he realizes that this is the front that he has to now fight because the cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore.

01:22:39.000 They're inside, they're infiltrated, they're in politics, you know.

01:22:43.000 And people think about drugs only, but drugs only, these cartels are fighting for what you call as well, fuel trafficking.

01:22:52.000 You know, there was a famine.

01:22:53.000 Avocados.

01:22:56.000 If you go to Chipotle and order extra guacamole, you're putting money in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the Familia Michoacana.

01:23:03.000 How crazy is that?

01:23:04.000 It's wild.

01:23:06.000 And it's fuel theft.

01:23:08.000 And the fuel theft side of it, the guachicola is what they call it in Mexico, is interesting, but that catches, that puts in a lot of people in the United States that have been involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from Mexico by some of these criminal organizations, putting it on a ship and then doing a lot of magic with the paperwork and then it ended up ending up in the US and money exchanging weird hands.

01:23:34.000 So that's another side of it that people don't kind of realize.

01:23:37.000 One of the...

01:23:41.000 Mexican authorities seized nearly 4 million gallons of stolen fuel, AP News.

01:23:47.000 This has been going on for years and again, another part of the way they finance themselves and these criminal organizations have been able to grow without...

01:23:56.000 They've diversified years ago.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, so they're not just, even if you shut off the drugs totally, they're still making billions.

01:24:03.000 And low-key, Mexico has become first world in a lot of ways. 0.98

01:24:07.000 First, we're welcoming all your huddled masses.

01:24:12.000 Mexico is.

01:24:13.000 Mexico is the Statue of Liberty.

01:24:16.000 All of the economic migrants that can't afford to live here in the US move to Mexico. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:21.000 A lot of people do.

01:24:22.000 There's like giant communities of Americas living down there. 0.98

01:24:24.000 When we were in Jalisco, we were surprised to find like, goddamn, the gringos living in the middle of cartel territory. 1.00

01:24:30.000 Weren't the Mormons the first people to do that? 0.98

01:24:34.000 They were some of the first ones to do some of these communities, but like, expat communities down in Mexico are common.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, the Mormons were pretty big down there.

01:24:43.000 actually yeah yeah there was you know they I think the last time I was here was when that massacre happened yes Yes.

01:24:53.000 So they're...

01:24:58.000 Yeah.

01:24:58.000 Armed.

01:24:59.000 Yeah.

01:25:00.000 Yeah.

01:25:01.000 That have been there since the 1800s.

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 Mitt Romney's dad was a Mexican.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico.

01:25:08.000 That's why he couldn't be president in the United States.

01:25:11.000 Wild.

01:25:12.000 Yeah, and Mitt Romney's dad was a part of one of those...

01:25:18.000 Yeah.

01:25:19.000 Protecting Joseph Smith's ideas.

01:25:22.000 Yeah. 0.72

01:25:22.000 Crazy. 0.72

01:25:23.000 Also, like, I remember, like, when I talked about it on.

01:25:27.000 this podcast, Mormons from The US corrected me and said that those guys weren't real Mormons?

01:25:33.000 Oh, how convenient.

01:25:34.000 And I'm like, I don't Well, didn't they go there because they didn't want to get rid of polygamy?

01:25:39.000 I think so.

01:25:39.000 I think they should have stuck around.

01:25:42.000 It's coming back.

01:25:43.000 Polygamy's back in Toronto.

01:25:45.000 Oh, cool.

01:25:46.000 Yeah.

01:25:46.000 Canada because of Islam, because so many Muslims have moved to Toronto, they made polygamy legal again.

01:25:53.000 Yeah, I was in Canada recently.

01:25:54.000 It's like, wow, it's pretty interesting.

01:25:56.000 Yeah, good job, guys.

01:25:57.000 Keep, keep at it.

01:26:01.000 The, I think Mexico was on its, Mexico is probably the, if you can invest in any country in the world right now, I think Mexico would be it.

01:26:10.000 Really?

01:26:12.000 The industrial plant that is that that has a lot of the stuff that is leaving China, it's moving to Mexico.

01:26:19.000 Youth, it has a consumer base that is growing exponentially.

01:26:24.000 So how do you get all the violence?

01:26:28.000 Is that possible at this point in time?

01:26:30.000 Is it soaked into the culture?

01:26:33.000 I think it is.

01:26:34.000 I think we're a point a tipping point where the Mexican culture as in general is like sick of it. 1.00

01:26:40.000 Like it doesn't want this yet anymore.

01:26:43.000 We're seeing attacks on freedom of expression in Mexico in a way because some of these popular singers that would sing cartel songs are now banned from performing them live.

01:26:55.000 So that's like an attack on freedom of speech.

01:27:00.000 population is pretty cool with it though they're letting it slide so it means that they're they're kind of like ready to give up it became an issue in America right where there was a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the country and he has these huge sold out arena shows yeah I mean again I talked about how if you're gonna attack these organizations you have to attack all of these or like just like Just like you attack Al-Qaeda,

01:27:26.000 you attack who finances them, who, and a lot of these organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to launder money or to gain influence in the US or to sing about their exploits.

01:27:38.000 They would pay them to sing about their exploits.

01:27:39.000 So when this designation came down, it was clear that some of these guys were on the chopping block.

01:27:44.000 This terrorist designation came down from the US government.

01:27:47.000 It's clear that some of these singers are going to be on the chopping block.

01:27:50.000 Wow.

01:27:50.000 Another phenomenon is that the U.S. is actually...

01:27:55.000 You have 4 million listeners on Spotify every month.

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 He's one of them.

01:28:01.000 He was killed in a parking lot yester yesterday oh wow musicians celebrated jug cartel exploits in the song shot dead in parking lot in Mexico oh yeah yeah this is yesterday yeah Enigma was this today the Enigma exists 24 wow this is the singer yeah and the group Enigma yeah he used to hang out with Mayo Sambana and El Chapo Guzman and talk about it openly on podcast in Mexico and You know,

01:28:29.000 that's another phenomenon that's currently happening.

01:28:32.000 YouTubers. 0.92

01:28:34.000 Since it was so normalized in Mexico, just a bunch of YouTubers started popping up like, I'm a cartel YouTuber.

01:28:39.000 I'm going to talk about cartel stuff on YouTube.

01:28:42.000 And they've been getting when the when the when the Chapitos and the Mayos started fighting over Sinaloa those Mayos put a plane up and started dispersing pamphlets with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that they that they knew were helping out the the Chapitos faction or they were working with them.

01:29:08.000 And they've been going down that list.

01:29:12.000 They recently killed one one dude at his house who was talking about cartels, you know.

01:29:20.000 So, like TMZ for cartels.

01:29:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:26.000 The hackers, that's him.

01:29:31.000 Apparently the cartel hired a hacker to send a link to his wife that she opened and they tracked them where they were hiding.

01:29:40.000 Wow.

01:29:42.000 Like he was all over social media in Mexico and even regular media in Mexico talking about the cartels.

01:29:51.000 As of Sunday, no arrest had been reported.

01:29:54.000 No, somebody just walked into his house with a ski mask and shot him through the bathroom door when you tried to hold it shut.

01:30:00.000 And this is, these are all signs that the populace in Mexico, independently of cartels, just the general mass of Mexico, is this the tipping point.

01:30:12.000 They're done with this.

01:30:13.000 They don't want this anymore.

01:30:16.000 Which, you know, what do you do with that energy, that momentum?

01:30:19.000 How many people are we talking about when you talk about all of the cartels?

01:30:24.000 How many, like people are in the, like, how big, thousands, I expect.

01:30:28.000 So if it was an army, how big would the army be?

01:30:31.000 I don't know, 400,000 people, maybe?

01:30:35.000 Whoa.

01:30:37.000 Just like doing really quick math in my head of like approximations of how many new generation cartel members are apparently out there, which there's no real way of knowing, but there are formulations.

01:30:48.000 How many Taliban were in Afghanistan?

01:30:52.000 I don't know.

01:30:53.000 Shame you google that.

01:30:54.000 During the height of the war, how many Taliban were in Afghanistan?

01:30:58.000 And then you see these organizations, I mean, there's the people fighting out there, the people in charge, the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the people that are running the shell companies, the people that are running the actual companies, because these cartels own companies, you know?

01:31:13.000 Shh.

01:31:14.000 So like, okay, look at this.

01:31:17.000 Early estimates from 2001 to 2017 range from 45,000 to 60,000.

01:31:23.000 I think there's way more fighters down there than that.

01:31:26.000 How crazy is that?

01:31:27.000 So we were we spent trillions of dollars, we were there for 20 years in Afghanistan for 60,000 dudes that were hiding out in the mountains.

01:31:37.000 And then we left and we left behind Black Hawk helicopters, tanks.

01:31:41.000 And a lot of those firearms are showing up in Mexico.

01:31:44.000 Oh, of course.

01:31:45.000 They're for sale.

01:31:49.000 The night vision equipment or night vision like high sophisticated, expensive.

01:31:55.000 I know about night vision.

01:31:56.000 I've been learning about all this stuff in the US from my friends who are all gun nuts.

01:32:00.000 And I'm looking at it like, oh, God, look at these.

01:32:03.000 I'm like, dude, where are those?

01:32:04.000 They're in a house in Kulakan. 0.99

01:32:06.000 It's like, holy shit, dude. 1.00

01:32:08.000 How the fuck did they get from there's routes? 1.00

01:32:11.000 I bet dudes got on a plane the moment the US left. 1.00

01:32:14.000 They were like, look at all this shit. 1.00

01:32:16.000 We got money. 1.00

01:32:17.000 Let's make a deal with these guys.

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:19.000 Weaponry's coming in from that side.

01:32:22.000 Obviously the US is responsible for most of the gun running down to Mexico. 0.87

01:32:27.000 Well, let's talk about Operation Fast and Furious, which was bananas.

01:32:33.000 Wide receiver.

01:32:34.000 Started off as wide receiver, I think.

01:32:36.000 That was the original name for it?

01:32:37.000 It's a Bush error.

01:32:38.000 How do you explain it to people?

01:32:40.000 What happened?

01:32:40.000 So Bush administration, it was wide receiver, and then Obama administration, it was fast and furious?

01:32:46.000 And again, I'm going to speak of this.

01:32:48.000 My participation in all this was I was in Mexico and a bunch of my friends got killed with those guns.

01:32:53.000 Wow.

01:32:55.000 We started see, just imagine, I'm in my twenties back then, and we're getting shootouts and people are running around with guns and stuff like that.

01:33:04.000 It's mostly like AR fifteen s, AK forty seven, some of them are really rusty and old.

01:33:10.000 you know, old Naringo rifles from China, just weird firearms.

01:33:14.000 And all of a sudden you start finding people with 50 caliber Barrett rifles with scopes on them, zeroed in, in the box with munitions.

01:33:24.000 And then you look at the box where they came in and you see a label that says Arizona on it.

01:33:31.000 And you're like, ah, cabron. 0.99

01:33:32.000 That's a weird thing to find on this fucking crack house that we're at. 0.99

01:33:37.000 And then... 0.99

01:33:43.000 It's a high-velocity round that comes in them.

01:33:46.000 It was kind of fabricated in the Cold War to fight Russians invading Europe and they wanted to be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols and small subguns that they might have in urban areas.

01:33:58.000 So we start seeing those and just a massive amount of firearms being delivered specifically to the Sinaloa cartel groups in the area that we're working with.

01:34:07.000 And we didn't know anything about it.

01:34:09.000 Where are all these things coming from?

01:34:11.000 Apparently in the U.S. During the Bush administration, they started an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw purchased in places like Arizona and other parts of the U.S. by individuals being gathered by cartel members, put into cars and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels.

01:34:33.000 The ATF was involved in all this.

01:34:35.000 Eric Holder was very involved in all this.

01:34:38.000 Their plan or theory was we're going to track these guns when they go down to Mexico.

01:34:44.000 But nothing got tracked, or at least we don't know of anything that got really tracked or any high level arrest made because of the guns that they they were just allowed to.

01:34:54.000 What do you think is really going on? 0.98

01:34:55.000 Because that sounds like a bullshit cover. 0.99

01:34:58.000 We're just tracking these guns. 0.99

01:35:00.000 I mean, what do you do when you want to destabilize a region if you're in another country? 0.92

01:35:05.000 You give guns to the shitsarkers. 1.00

01:35:07.000 Why would they want to destabilize them them in in such an immoral way that they needed this to happen so badly they were willing to give them weapons to kill each other.

01:35:18.000 I mean, it's it's it's it's back then it was a Sinaloa cartel trying to fight control over the area over some people that were coming in like the Zetas and other organizations and I don't know why why would you send guns to this specific region?

01:35:32.000 I'm not I'm not saying that the US purposely armed a single cartel in Mexico.

01:35:37.000 But that's what it kind of looks like.

01:35:39.000 Yeah.

01:35:40.000 You know?

01:35:41.000 So it looks like that's the only thing.

01:35:43.000 And this was the purpose of it.

01:35:45.000 And this is what we saw because, you know, a lot of the things that they were – because it looked like a laundry list.

01:35:51.000 Some of the stuff that they were bringing down – 50 cal – why do you think 50 cal armors started getting – like were so hot and still aren't so hot?

01:36:00.000 It's because people started doing armor.

01:36:02.000 So they needed a way of getting through armor.

01:36:05.000 So 50 cal, right?

01:36:07.000 And Americans, especially some of my American military and police friends, are always making fun of the fact that none of these big-ass rifles have any sights on them.

01:36:15.000 They do have sights on them.

01:36:17.000 on them but they get stolen by the cops before they put them in front of the picture for the news but I've heard I've heard, I've heard.

01:36:25.000 It wasn't me.

01:36:27.000 That makes sense.

01:36:28.000 You got a nice expensive red dot on that. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:36:34.000 These guys don't even have sights on their guns. 1.00

01:36:36.000 They can shoot.

01:36:36.000 They can shoot far.

01:36:38.000 They can shoot well.

01:36:39.000 Some of them, not all of them.

01:36:40.000 Yeah, if they've got expensive guns, of course they've got sights.

01:36:42.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:36:42.000 That's ridiculous. 0.97

01:36:43.000 Yeah. 0.74

01:36:44.000 But everything gets ripped off, you know, donations.

01:36:46.000 Of course.

01:36:49.000 These started showing up in Mexico.

01:36:50.000 A bunch of people started dying.

01:36:52.000 And then two federal agents that were doing protection detail died down there during a cartel shootout.

01:36:58.000 I'm not too sure on the details of this, but they were involved in a shootout in Mexico.

01:37:02.000 I called in a shootout in Mexico.

01:37:03.000 They were doing a protection detail down there.

01:37:05.000 One of them was a border patrol agent assigned to this, Ryan Terry.

01:37:12.000 They set up a foundation in his memory and I think I raised like a few grand for this foundation.

01:37:18.000 And I did that only as a point to like be able to say, hey, yeah, I raised this money for this foundation to honor this fallen police officer that was going that was in Mexico that was killed by American guns that were given to the cartels.

01:37:31.000 to bring attention to the fact that we know who Ryan Terry is, but do we know who my friends are who were killed by these guns or a lot of the unknown people that were killed by some of these guns that were allowed to walk through that border knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people running these gun shops were like, hey dude, are you sure?

01:37:49.000 Like they want like four AKs.

01:37:51.000 Like, are you sure?

01:37:52.000 Yeah, yeah, let them walk.

01:37:54.000 We're under surveillance.

01:37:55.000 We're tracking these.

01:37:58.000 And they just go down.

01:38:00.000 So if you had to imagine, no one's saying this is true, but if you had to imagine what kind of a deal would be made where you would guarantee the shipment of weapons from the United States into Mexico by the federal government, for what purpose?

01:38:17.000 To destabilize.?

01:38:19.000 Destabilize, support a specific faction?

01:38:23.000 Right, but that's the question.

01:38:24.000 Why them?

01:38:25.000 And like, was it money?

01:38:27.000 Was it influence?

01:38:28.000 Were they working on something?

01:38:29.000 You know, there's a lot of We're in the realm of the theory right now.

01:38:32.000 Of course.

01:38:33.000 But El Mayo Sambada learned his trade craft in Los Angeles, and fifty years ago.

01:38:39.000 And one of the people that was instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move things through countries was a man who was a Castro era police officer who was involved in the Bay of Pig incidents.

01:38:51.000 That man married his El Mayo sister, and that's who taught El Mayo Sambada everything he knew.

01:38:57.000 about moving things around borders.

01:38:59.000 Wow.

01:39:00.000 So I'm not going to say the CIA.

01:39:03.000 But oh my gosh.

01:39:08.000 Well, you know, I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast multiple times.

01:39:13.000 And for people who haven't seen those episodes or heard me talk about Ricky, Ricky is the real Rick Ross.

01:39:20.000 Like Rick Ross the rapper, that's not his name.

01:39:24.000 He named himself Rick Ross because Freeway Ricky was a legend.

01:39:28.000 He was a legend in Los Angeles.

01:39:31.000 He was the number one cocaine dealer in Los Angeles and he was getting it funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

01:39:43.000 And he had no idea because he couldn't even read.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:47.000 And that same Contra situation pops up again with the death of Kiki Camarena, the DEA agent.

01:39:57.000 One of the people, one of the there was two major prisoner extraditions of cartel members from Mexico to the US.

01:40:05.000 And the first one that came through, I think a year ago, was the apparent murderer of Kiki Camarena, a cartel member.

01:40:16.000 And they've always pinned it on him.

01:40:18.000 Like the cartels were, there was this giant grove of marijuana out there and that Key Cummins saw it and reported it.

01:40:26.000 And Caro Quintero, who owned this plantation, had him killed, right?

01:40:30.000 And we actually went down to Jalisco where he was tortured and killed and talked to the locals there and they were like, Ah, La Casa de la Cia.

01:40:36.000 Like the CIA house.

01:40:38.000 Like, what?

01:40:40.000 That's what some of the people there say.

01:40:42.000 Have you ever seen the video of Michael Rupert, who was a friend of mine who passed away years back?

01:40:49.000 He was a former Los Angeles narcotics officer.

01:40:53.000 He was on CSPAN. 0.99

01:40:54.000 band at a hearing and during the hearing said I have personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs in Los Angeles and everybody goes fucking crazy. 0.92

01:41:05.000 It is the wildest thing to see because this is like Jamie was that the 90s? 0.83

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 Do you remember?

01:41:12.000 Were you around when Rupert was a guest?

01:41:15.000 No.

01:41:16.000 Rupert was pre Jamie.

01:41:17.000 Wow.

01:41:18.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 So Rupert was on a couple of times and then he took his own life one time.

01:41:24.000 He was very depressed.

01:41:25.000 I don't doubt that he took his life.

01:41:27.000 He was living pretty destitute.

01:41:30.000 I think he was in a trailer.

01:41:33.000 It wasn't the end wasn't good, but there was a movie Here, listen, listen Mike Rupert 1996.

01:41:42.000 Let's play some of this because it is crazy It's crazy.

01:41:46.000 This is all live on CSPAN I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles Police Narcotics Detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.

01:42:07.000 Yo.

01:42:09.000 It was great.

01:42:10.000 And he goes into detail.

01:42:11.000 And look, these are all LA people. 0.99

01:42:13.000 They're like, fucking thank you. 0.99

01:42:15.000 But this is like a... 0.99

01:42:20.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 I believe.

01:42:21.000 Yes.

01:42:22.000 This is like conspiracy theory.

01:42:24.000 This never happened.

01:42:25.000 But exactly.

01:42:26.000 There you go.

01:42:27.000 Look at the head of the CIA.

01:42:29.000 Look at him.

01:42:30.000 I refer to it.

01:42:31.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:42:32.000 Wait a minute.

01:42:36.000 That guy's got a human skin suit on. 0.97

01:42:39.000 That's a demon. 0.90

01:42:42.000 Listen to what he taught when Gruper talked.

01:42:44.000 I just wrote a note to that guy too.

01:42:46.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 Wait a minute if you don't like what's going on here please leave now No, no, leave no, no, no Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room Shout out to Juanita for getting control of the room because everybody went nuts when he said that so he elaborates I mean when when you say you went nuts they're they're looking at he talks to the director operations known as Amadeus Pegasus and Watchtower.

01:43:19.000 I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.

01:43:23.000 I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.

01:43:34.000 I have been trying to get this out for 18 years and I have the evidence.

01:43:37.000 My question for you is very specific, sir.

01:43:40.000 If in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hitts' work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?

01:43:55.000 Thank you.

01:44:02.000 He's like, should I handle this? 0.96

01:44:04.000 They're going to activate the bomb in his head right there.

01:44:08.000 from congressman Julian Dixon and then from the director.

01:44:13.000 He's like, I don't want to talk.

01:44:14.000 Wait, wait a minute from York, from York.

01:44:19.000 I'm sorry, sir.

01:44:22.000 I will allow the director.

01:44:23.000 Look at that guy in the back.

01:44:24.000 His fingers touching.

01:44:25.000 He's so nervous.

01:44:26.000 He's he's he's there to try and pull him out if something happens.

01:44:33.000 I don't know about those hands.

01:44:35.000 That guy's doing Bill Gates hands.

01:44:36.000 You should immediately bring that information to wherever you want.

01:44:40.000 Let me suggest three places.

01:44:42.000 Los Angeles Police Department.

01:44:45.000 Ah, please.

01:44:55.000 I'm sorry.

01:44:56.000 Others want to hear this answer.

01:45:01.000 I am sorry.

01:45:02.000 Others want to hear.

01:45:04.000 Check out the dude in the front with the leopard hat and the leopard scarf.

01:45:08.000 Amazing.

01:45:09.000 amazing segment of time.

01:45:10.000 Or, office of one of your Congress persons from this...

01:45:15.000 Wait a minute.

01:45:23.000 Do you hear him?

01:45:24.000 I did that that 18 years ago.

01:45:25.000 I got shot off for it.

01:45:26.000 Jamie, find that, find the trailer for that movie they did with him.

01:45:30.000 So they were interviewing him.

01:45:32.000 I forgot what the entire premise of this thing was.

01:45:35.000 They were interviewing him for something.

01:45:37.000 And he was so intense.

01:45:39.000 They decided to do an entire movie of just Michael Rupert sitting in a chair in like a warehouse smoking cigarettes and talking about the collapse of the global economy.

01:45:50.000 Collapse.

01:45:51.000 Play the trailer for this.

01:45:53.000 Because it's so nuts.

01:45:54.000 See if you can find the trailer for Collapsed.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, the whole CIA thing is This is Michael.

01:46:05.000 We are all collectively responsible for what may be the greatest preventable Holocaust in the history of planet Earth. 0.98

01:46:15.000 I have thirty years of experience as an investigative journalist.

01:46:18.000 I've broken major scandals, going out to try and map how the world really worked, as opposed to the way we were told it worked.

01:46:25.000 Our map has proven deadly accurate.

01:46:28.000 My economic predictions saw we had it so right.

01:46:31.000 In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now.

01:46:34.000 Check your mortgage carefully.

01:46:35.000 We issued a whole series of warnings.

01:46:38.000 There will be nothing like we have ever seen before.

01:46:41.000 That's January 2011.

01:46:43.000 What you said was going to happen is taking place right now.

01:46:46.000 Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market.

01:46:49.000 It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme.

01:46:52.000 The whole economy is a pyramid scheme.

01:46:57.000 Of course I've been called a conspiracy theorist, but I don't deal in conspiracy theory.

01:47:01.000 I deal in conspiracy fact.

01:47:05.000 The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.

01:47:17.000 Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources.

01:47:20.000 Nothing grows forever.

01:47:22.000 There is a cycle, birth, growth, maturation, decline, and death.

01:47:29.000 Cars don't run.

01:47:30.000 The mail stops getting delivered.

01:47:31.000 The planes don't fly.

01:47:32.000 Law enforcement stops working.

01:47:34.000 This is all part of the collapse.

01:47:37.000 If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear.

01:47:42.000 You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.

01:47:46.000 The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die.

01:47:53.000 You have to believe, not hope, not prayed that there's a way out of it and you're going to find it.

01:48:02.000 The whole documentary, just this dude sitting there freaking you out.

01:48:06.000 It's like Mexico's UFOs are, it's always been like Mexico's Bigfoot is CIA. 0.75

01:48:13.000 Like there have been Manuel Bendy, I think, was a writer in the 60s, 70s.

01:48:21.000 He would talk about the CIA and he got shot.

01:48:25.000 There recently, in the past ten years, a bunch of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being on the payroll by the CIA.

01:48:35.000 From like all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA agents on the payroll.

01:48:41.000 So Mexico has this vision of the CIA and the US's responsibility for some of the things that are going on down there that are very different than the US's perception of responsibilities.

01:48:53.000 It's probably more accurate.

01:48:55.000 I mean, it's direct.

01:48:57.000 It was shocking to me when we were there at Kiki coming in, the house where he was kept and I think tortured and finally killed, that the people around there that have lived there when it happened, some of them would call that the CIA house.

01:49:12.000 So that was a weird thing to see.

01:49:14.000 And maybe they've been kind of like polluted by all the stuff they've been looking at or seeing after that happened, but or maybe they're just being accurate.

01:49:22.000 Maybe they're just being accurate.

01:49:25.000 Let's say this, and again, realm of theory.

01:49:28.000 You have the United States dealing with Mexico and a 9-11 happens, and then you're worried about things going through the border like a nuke, you know, you're paranoid.

01:49:41.000 Do you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe and tell you if anything goes through that border?

01:49:46.000 Or you talk to the cartels that actually own that border?

01:49:51.000 Who do you talk to?

01:49:52.000 You have to talk to the cartels.

01:49:55.000 So I think there's always been a backdoor channel of communication there going on or direct communication going on of some sort.

01:50:03.000 Which only makes sense.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, and also makes...

01:50:13.000 Because sensible drug laws would treat all drugs the same way we treat alcohol.

01:50:18.000 Yeah.

01:50:18.000 Sensible, because alcohol is a drug, and we know that when we had a prohibition that lasted for how many years, like 13 years in this country, it did nothing but prop up organized crime.

01:50:28.000 Yeah.

01:50:29.000 And last time I came here, I was on my way to becoming alcohol sober.

01:50:36.000 So alcohol is a very dangerous drug.

01:50:39.000 You can kill yourself with it very easily.

01:50:40.000 You could buy a bottle that will kill you. 1.00

01:50:42.000 Yep. 0.97

01:50:43.000 In any store.

01:50:44.000 Any store. 1.00

01:50:45.000 I had to lock myself in a fucking ranch. 1.00

01:50:47.000 I did it old school. 1.00

01:50:48.000 Just fucking locked. 0.98

01:50:50.000 How long did it take? 0.99

01:50:52.000 My whole life.

01:50:53.000 It's going to take, I think.

01:50:54.000 I'm always going to be.

01:50:55.000 I like to think about it, you know, sometimes.

01:50:58.000 But I've been sober for about four years now.

01:51:00.000 Congratulations.

01:51:01.000 Thank you.

01:51:02.000 That's awesome.

01:51:03.000 But it's hard to do.

01:51:05.000 It is not easy.

01:51:07.000 Yeah.

01:51:08.000 I don't have the addiction gene, the physical addiction gene.

01:51:11.000 I don't know why.

01:51:13.000 But like, even I chew on these nicotine pouches all the time.

01:51:17.000 I went on vacation and I said, no nicotine.

01:51:19.000 Let's see what happens.

01:51:20.000 For five days, I was fine.

01:51:21.000 Nothing.

01:51:22.000 Coffee.

01:51:22.000 I said, I'm going to quit coffee.

01:51:24.000 I quit coffee for five days.

01:51:26.000 No weirdness.

01:51:27.000 I think for me, it was medication.

01:51:32.000 When I got out of work.

01:51:36.000 I had loads of PTSD the first time I was on the podcast.

01:51:38.000 We talked a little bit about it.

01:51:40.000 And then afterwards, you gave me some names of some people that you talked to.

01:51:43.000 And I did.

01:51:44.000 I went out and looked out for help.

01:51:46.000 Eventually, I just got sober.

01:51:47.000 But it's insane.

01:51:49.000 to me how differently alcohol gets treated versus all other substances.

01:51:53.000 It's one of the only ones that if you get off it too quick, you'll die.

01:51:56.000 Yes.

01:51:57.000 Which I did research.

01:51:58.000 Did you get real close to that?

01:51:59.000 I had to.

01:52:00.000 I had my heart. 1.00

01:52:01.000 I'd start feeling my heart do shit. 0.99

01:52:04.000 Did you think, well, I'll just have a little drinky poo and get back on track and do this slowly. 0.99

01:52:09.000 A slow drip.

01:52:12.000 When I left the studio the last time, you were still in LA.

01:52:18.000 My marriage ended around that same time.

01:52:22.000 And I had a few things going on.

01:52:25.000 PTSD and trauma.

01:52:26.000 and trying to figure things out and drinking myself to sleep every third day because it's the only way I can go through a sleepless, through a dreamless night was unsustainable.

01:52:40.000 So my life was falling apart and I had to do something.

01:52:44.000 I had a friend who owns a big ranch and he had a cabin that I could stay in.

01:52:49.000 He said, Hey, you can stay here.

01:52:51.000 How long did it take to get there?

01:52:53.000 I got there and I didn't want to feel like a freeloader, so I got there and I gave them they had a little community school there for the kids, so I bought a TV and like DVDs and gave them all this stuff.

01:53:04.000 That's awesome.

01:53:05.000 Okay, stay here.

01:53:06.000 He stood me in front of everybody and said, this guy's an alcoholic.

01:53:09.000 If I catch anybody giving me alcohol, or if you see him giving me alcohol, you're out.

01:53:13.000 Embarrassed me. 1.00

01:53:16.000 I felt like shit. 0.99

01:53:17.000 But it gave me what I needed. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Third night.

01:53:22.000 Shakes and sweats.

01:53:25.000 Wild dreams.

01:53:27.000 I think I pissed myself.

01:53:31.000 But it was a sweat.

01:53:34.000 Then I started getting my heart chest fainting. 0.88

01:53:37.000 and shit like that going on and i think it took me about two weeks i think to really like be you know, on the level. 0.94

01:53:49.000 Don't do it that way. 1.00

01:53:50.000 It's a stupid way of doing it. 1.00

01:53:52.000 You'll almost die. 1.00

01:53:53.000 Eventually, I guess.

01:53:54.000 Some people do, right?

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:56.000 I think that's how Amy Winehouse died.

01:53:58.000 Yes.

01:53:58.000 That's probably, yeah.

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:54:01.000 Isn't that the case, Jamie?

01:54:02.000 Don't they think that Amy Winehouse died from complications of alcoholism, of trying to get sober?

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 It is, it is, you feel it.

01:54:11.000 Whatever people often say, like, I feel like I'm dying.

01:54:15.000 Like, no, that feels like you're dying.

01:54:17.000 Like somebody's sitting on your chest and you can't get up.

01:54:22.000 And also your brain is screaming for something that it can't get.

01:54:29.000 Alcohol poisoning after binge drinking following a period of abstinence.

01:54:34.000 Oh, even worse.

01:54:39.000 Eventually, eventually I started speaking about it.

01:54:42.000 I was embarrassed about it, but I started writing about it and publishing on my Instagram account, just like my experience with it.

01:54:48.000 And I got a lot of help from a lot of people.

01:54:53.000 Did you ever do ibogaine?

01:54:56.000 Yeah.

01:54:59.000 It did things.

01:55:00.000 It opened up a few worms, cans of worms of the past in me.

01:55:04.000 But it, yeah, it helped.

01:55:07.000 That's the one thing that I hear over and over again for people that do suffer from PTSD and people that do suffer from addiction.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:18.000 Ibogaine's the one.

01:55:19.000 It's like a weird conversation.

01:55:24.000 You've avoided these very specific things for decades.

01:55:30.000 and not now there's no way of avoiding them and they're there and it's like you know i don't like i don't want to It led me on a path and it specifically opened up a bunch of doors for me in the realm of, you know, I'm the cartel guy.

01:55:53.000 I used to do this and that's what I do and I train people on that.

01:55:56.000 But then I'm a guy going through alcohol sobriety in public.

01:56:01.000 I had Randy Blythe, the lead singer of Lamb of God, reach out out out of nowhere.

01:56:06.000 This random guy that I used to listen to when I was working, you know, my headphones.

01:56:11.000 He's like, hey, Ed, yeah, he's speaking about you.

01:56:15.000 If you need, do you have a sponsor?

01:56:16.000 He's like, I never went to AA.

01:56:17.000 I just fucking lock myself in a room you're stupid for doing that um but he like i'll be your sponsor he's so easy oh wow so he started out how cool is that i'm still a sponsor he's he is um he's he's a he's an amazing guy um like that's why i call him when i'm close um but uh i Yes, 0.99

01:56:44.000 it is insane to think about the fact that the bottle of liquor you can buy at the store will kill you. 1.00

01:56:50.000 All you have to show is your ID.

01:56:53.000 Well, it's the problem of addiction, you know.

01:56:56.000 And this is the actual fuel that runs the cartel.

01:57:03.000 There's a giant problem in the United States of people and this appetite for illegal narcotics.

01:57:10.000 And this pretending that people aren't doing these drugs and like they're pretending that making them illegal is going to stop this.

01:57:19.000 No, all you're doing is propping up the cartel.

01:57:22.000 That's all you're doing is funding the cartel.

01:57:25.000 And then also helping the alcohol lobbyists in this country.

01:57:30.000 Yeah.

01:57:32.000 The perfect storm was the outbreak of the prescription opioid epidemic in this country.

01:57:41.000 That was like this initiation of what later turned into like, oh, well, this is off the table now because we passed all these laws and didn't put some people in jail.

01:57:50.000 They should have that should be in prison some families that I don't know how they're free.

01:57:53.000 Yeah.

01:57:55.000 But then what takes its place?

01:57:57.000 Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppies and they said, well, then let's add a little bit of fentanyl into these very weak poppy yields of heroin.

01:58:07.000 and see what it does.

01:58:09.000 And it kicked.

01:58:10.000 Oh, so that was the source of it, that the heroin was weak?

01:58:15.000 These hillsides have been leached.

01:58:17.000 for years from growing wheat on them.

01:58:20.000 So the top soil was bad.

01:58:23.000 They were doing monocrop agriculture with drugs.

01:58:25.000 So they're doing industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanyl being introduced into them to make them more potent.

01:58:34.000 And also wheat legalization in parts like California led to interesting phenomena.

01:58:40.000 Some of these fields were no longer profitable, so they would switch to poppy.

01:58:47.000 And one thing that people don't realize is that a lot of these things get tested out first in the markets in Mexico, because Mexico has giant drug markets that are fought over and people will try this.

01:59:01.000 Oh boy, it's like trial samples that they hand out to the supermarket.

01:59:06.000 Oh no.

01:59:07.000 So at some point in the past, somebody down in Jalisco probably tried the first load of Mexican fentanyl loaded heroin. 0.99

01:59:17.000 Somebody somewhere out there probably did the first hit and it's like holy shit, you got a winner here. 0.99

01:59:22.000 Or died immediately. 0.99

01:59:23.000 Or died.

01:59:24.000 And said, hey, that's a little too potent. 0.82

01:59:25.000 Because the amount of fentanyl that you need to kill somebody is so small.

01:59:28.000 Yeah, but it was a hit here though.

01:59:31.000 It was a giant hit here in the US.

01:59:34.000 Is it as big a problem in Mexico as it is in the United States?

01:59:37.000 No.

01:59:40.000 The reason is wild though.

01:59:41.000 It's not because Mexico cracks out of fentanyl and there's no fentanyl in the streets. 1.00

01:59:46.000 It's because the cartels down there will kill you if they catch you selling that shit locally. 1.00

01:59:52.000 Because this poison is meant to export. 1.00

01:59:57.000 If the cartels catch you selling anything that isn't from them or fentanyl in certain areas, kill you. 0.97

02:00:04.000 So that's the best, that's the Mexican Dare program. 0.99

02:00:08.000 That's so crazy.

02:00:10.000 Like they know it's bad.

02:00:12.000 Yeah.

02:00:12.000 Well, they know.

02:00:14.000 And you see some of these cartels publicly claim, like, ah, we don't deal with this fentanyl thing.

02:00:19.000 This is not us.

02:00:21.000 Fentanyl as a whole, I think, in the US is kind of down.

02:00:25.000 And I know that not all of it or not most of it is now coming from Mexico.

02:00:30.000 I mean, you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming from Mexico, a lot of those.

02:00:38.000 But you also get fentanyl in the mail all over the US.

02:00:44.000 There's a loophole that is finally being closed about exporting things into the United States.

02:00:49.000 So if they're below $800 or something like that, they don't get the full scan.

02:00:54.000 So I know for a fact there are cartels or groups of people in the United States organizing, shipping things to the United States that have fentanyl in them, and they start loading and they're selling fentanyl-loaded substances into the U.S. without any sort of cartel or Mexican involvement.

02:01:11.000 That is also happening in the U.S. And the precursors for this stuff all come from China, correct?

02:01:17.000 They all come from China. 0.80

02:01:19.000 And this is my observation, I guess.

02:01:25.000 When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for some of these organizations.

02:01:30.000 Specifically, the Sina Loa Cartel was actually getting their fentanyl in the US from some of the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports in the US because the US kept the ports open for a bit longer.

02:01:42.000 So you had cases of people, cartel members getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico, because they didn't get their regular supply from China, from the regular ports.

02:01:53.000 And that's what they were utilizing to infuse the drugs that they wouldn't send over to the U.S. But the one that didn't have any of those issues was the New Generation cartel, because they own a lot of the ports on both sides of the country.

02:02:08.000 And also they've always had, I don't know, this, I don't want to say that the People's Republic of China purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way to fuck with the US. 0.85

02:02:23.000 It's probably the case though. 0.64

02:02:24.000 Yeah.

02:02:25.000 It's probably the case.

02:02:26.000 Well, it seems like that would be a good move if you want to destabilize a country.

02:02:30.000 How about you get hundreds of thousands of people hooked on this terrible drug?

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 And I mean, they're all over the illegal weed trade in the US as well right now.

02:02:40.000 Yeah.

02:02:42.000 Hundreds of them I've seen on the border crossing in single file?

02:02:47.000 I was watching some video that some guy made about Maine, about there's this town in Maine, but there's all these Chinese nationals living there, and they've taken over weed operations in Maine. 1.00

02:02:59.000 It's wow.

02:03:02.000 When we talked about Vietnam, I think Mexico is a weird Vietnam in a lot of ways, because you see foreign influences in Mexico in different ways.

02:03:12.000 The current administration is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies of the United States.

02:03:19.000 They're pretty friendly with them.

02:03:20.000 So that's one influence in the country.

02:03:24.000 All of these precursors and supplies and all of these involve Chinese chemists, industrialists, individuals.

02:03:32.000 A lot of the cartels were basically hiding their money through Chinese banking institutions.

02:03:37.000 That's the way you hide money from the U.S. You take it to a Chinese money broker. 0.91

02:03:42.000 He puts it in the Chinese banking institution.

02:03:44.000 You go to Mexico.

02:03:45.000 You have a shell company down there or a real company down there.

02:03:48.000 And then you have your investments with that Chinese company.

02:03:51.000 Now you have legitimate money just transferring from one end to the other.

02:03:54.000 And nobody the wiser.

02:03:56.000 So Mexico is a war field or a battle.

02:04:01.000 A battle is being played out in Mexico that has a lot to do with the United States and affecting the interests of the United States.

02:04:08.000 And China is clearly not the U.S.'s friend in this battle, probably.

02:04:14.000 And things have changed, the dynamics have changed, but you can clearly see that at some point, they, people in China, and when it's, I've heard people say that the largest intelligence organization in the world is the Chinese, the Chinese government, because everybody in China is part of the intelligence apparatus, basically.

02:04:41.000 So it's hard for me to believe that all these industrialists and all these chemists come to Mexico and show these cartel members how to cook, manufacture, make or actually fabricate.

02:04:54.000 Like they've been fabricating fentanyl in Mexico.

02:04:57.000 There have been a few laboratories found in Mexico where they're actually making fentanyl in Mexico.

02:05:01.000 This is very common now.

02:05:03.000 But they learn their trade craft and skill craft from people from China.

02:05:06.000 How can the Chinese government have these people moving in and out of the country and showing these things in the back and forth and not like, oh, we don't know anything about this. 0.88

02:05:13.000 Right.

02:05:14.000 They're probably directed to do it.

02:05:16.000 I don't know.

02:05:16.000 Look, it makes sense.

02:05:18.000 It makes sense.

02:05:19.000 You know, there's so many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like we're involved in destabilizing other countries.

02:05:26.000 There's a whack a mole game that's going on all over the world.

02:05:30.000 Trendanagua, which is talked about a lot here in the US, these Venezuelan gangs, they're operating in Central Mexico openly now.

02:05:39.000 There's power vacuums all over the country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and people are the the age of the large organizations is probably coming to an end.

02:05:48.000 Sinaloa is the Sinaloa cartel is no longer existing.

02:05:51.000 There's smaller factions basically in control, which is allowing things to come in.

02:05:56.000 Trendanagua.

02:05:56.000 Trindanahua are these Venezuelan gangs that are operating in a way where the Mexican government hasn't dealt with that.

02:06:03.000 It's more like localized gang shit, you know, Camorra, like Italian mafia type dealings that they have. 0.94

02:06:13.000 So they're, they're, which is like old school Mexican cartels used to do. 0.98

02:06:17.000 So now they're having to de-evolve.

02:06:20.000 I mentioned this, I talked to some people who are actively working against that federally in Mexico.

02:06:27.000 And then all of a sudden we hear these mentions of Maduro, the president of Venezuela being placed on that 50 million, I think, in the wrong row for his head.

02:06:37.000 And he's basically now the head head of the giant cartel, which is an interesting narrative that the US is putting out there now.

02:06:44.000 Is that real?

02:06:45.000 I don't know.

02:06:47.000 You see a lot of these Venezuelan Ternanahua people having clear knowledge and skills and training, and then they're operating in Mexico clearly with some kind of command or directive structure that isn't clear, like, no, there's no like who's the head of the Ternanahua cartel? 0.69

02:07:08.000 Like, nobody's going to tell, even though they don't know, you know?

02:07:11.000 Who's supplying them?

02:07:12.000 Who's sending them out?

02:07:15.000 Who's controlling them?

02:07:16.000 Who's organizing what?

02:07:18.000 And it's like a destabilizing thing, element, I think.

02:07:23.000 It's interesting that when we hear this new mention of authorized military actions in South America, they don't say Mexico specifically, they say just South America, and a very big thing that comes up is Venezuela and Mexico.

02:07:41.000 I think whatever the U.S. is attempting is beyond cartel and drugs.

02:07:47.000 This is about regional stability now and security.

02:07:50.000 Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource on the planet right now, I think, moving into the future.

02:07:58.000 It's poised to be the next China. 0.99

02:08:00.000 And the U.S. sees this.

02:08:04.000 And what does the U.S. need more than anything right now?

02:08:08.000 An industrial plant.

02:08:09.000 Right.

02:08:10.000 And where is it going to get one?

02:08:12.000 Mexico.

02:08:15.000 Maduro is this the first time where there's been a gigantic bounty on a president of a South American country in our lifetime?

02:08:26.000 I don't remember anybody else with one of those.

02:08:28.000 But it's barely making the news.

02:08:30.000 But it's wild.

02:08:32.000 It's wild.

02:08:32.000 It's the president of a country.

02:08:34.000 The president is offering 50 million dollars for his capture.

02:08:37.000 Yeah, and he's on the TV screaming. 0.99

02:08:39.000 He has these daily fucked problems. 0.98

02:08:41.000 How does he keep from getting kidnapped? 0.99

02:08:43.000 I have no idea.

02:08:44.000 They've tried to kill him.

02:08:45.000 They tried to blow him up with a drone once.

02:08:48.000 They tried to Imagine like for 50 million, like some high level guys might snatch him up.

02:08:54.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:08:55.000 I don't know how that works as far as a bounty on him, but he's he's worried.

02:08:59.000 He's mobilized militia forces all over the country.

02:09:03.000 There was three years ago, five years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by these private institutions, private groups to go and try and liberate Venezuela and they all got caught by fishermen on the coast.

02:09:14.000 They got caught by fishermen. 0.65

02:09:15.000 There were some fishermen on the coast that were like, hey, what were these guys doing here fucking with the 50 cal on top of a pickup truck? 0.65

02:09:22.000 And I think they were grabbed and they were put on media and like, oh, these guys are all people. 0.93

02:09:28.000 I think one of them did security for a Trump event, so they put it all on Trump.

02:09:32.000 Trump organized this.

02:09:34.000 I don't know the whole of the details.

02:09:36.000 This is like a little bit out of my wheelhouse, but what I've heard is that a lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for the US by paying all these mercenaries who are American.

02:09:48.000 American to try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them. 0.87

02:09:51.000 Wow.

02:09:52.000 I think something like that's happened.

02:09:55.000 There's a lot of gold coming out of that country.

02:09:58.000 It has a lot of gold.

02:09:59.000 There's a lot of shady things coming in and out of that country. 0.99

02:10:02.000 Any country that is outside of the scope of Friends of the United States is a country where shady shit can happen. 0.91

02:10:07.000 Jamie, what is the official reason why they have a bounty on Maduro? 0.94

02:10:11.000 Like what?

02:10:12.000 Cocaine smuggling operation?

02:10:13.000 Yeah.

02:10:14.000 Allowing or responsible for and Mexico the president says they don't have any evidence of that yeah see see and it's it's like you don't have any evidence of that but there's a bunch of in Venezuelan organizations in Mexico that you're fighting against, you know.

02:10:31.000 That are clearly involved in smuggling.

02:10:33.000 Yeah, and that clearly have some sort of free movement between Venezuela and Mexico.

02:10:41.000 What's going on?

02:10:42.000 What's going on?

02:10:44.000 But I think we're headed for something.

02:10:50.000 last time I was here, I said in five years we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention in Mexico, which has already happened, I think, with the arrest of El Mayo Zambala.

02:10:59.000 I kind of called the whole terrorist designation thing.

02:11:01.000 I said I didn't think he was going to do it on his first term, but the second one.

02:11:06.000 And he skipped a term.

02:11:08.000 and then we had some time and then he came back with a force.

02:11:13.000 What do you think would have happened if he didn't win?

02:11:16.000 If who didn't win?

02:11:17.000 If Trump didn't win, the border stayed wide open.

02:11:23.000 I'm an immigrant, Joe, and I've seen that side of policy in the U.S. and how it's affected the community and generally the people. 0.96

02:11:38.000 But on the other end, I've also experienced Biden and the open borders policy and the amounts of horrible shit that I saw on that border and people being a bunch of kids that went missing or kids that were like what's going on with all these kids and why don't they have armbands and all these human trafficking. 0.97

02:12:00.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:12:00.000 All these migrant camps being set up on the border and which generally good people don't want to believe that human trafficking is a real business. 0.97

02:12:09.000 It is the child trafficking is a real business.

02:12:12.000 It is a real business.

02:12:13.000 It is a big business.

02:12:14.000 And most of anything related to sex trafficking was specifically related to children.

02:12:19.000 What part of the world do you think is the largest market for it?

02:12:22.000 Is the United States?

02:12:28.000 They're always catching people too.

02:12:30.000 They catch people and you're like, how many have they not caught?

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:33.000 You know, whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble, the phenomenon that's going on that I don't see a lot of people talk about is that the fact that, you know, a lot of Americans who are into this move to Mexico.

02:12:46.000 And in Mexico, it's harder to find some of these people.

02:12:49.000 So a lot of it, in some of these expat community places, there are people hiding out who are pedophiles.

02:12:54.000 And they don't no longer have to figure out stuff in the US.

02:12:58.000 So they're moving down there and they're doing some of that down there.

02:13:03.000 Trafficking of children, the sales of children, child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico.

02:13:11.000 They're very common in Mexico.

02:13:14.000 And it's not something that you hear a lot about, but masses of people and children being moved up into the border have had some sort of organized effort with them to like help that out.

02:13:29.000 If you're a cartel member and you're on the border and all of a sudden you see 14 kids that are all asleep, you're like, what the?

02:13:38.000 Why are all these kids like asleep?

02:13:40.000 sleep.

02:13:40.000 Oh, they're tired from the trip.

02:13:42.000 I mean, I have a kid.

02:13:45.000 You know, she's like, I stop at a Starbucks and she wakes up like, what are you getting, right?

02:13:50.000 Right.

02:13:51.000 All these kids are like asleep.

02:13:52.000 They're drugged.

02:13:53.000 So they carry them drugged up into the board, all the way up to the border.

02:13:57.000 This is the Biden era.

02:13:58.000 So they would drug all these kids to not make them interact with any...

02:14:21.000 All that was shady.

02:14:23.000 All that was really shady.

02:14:26.000 I don't know.

02:14:26.000 That's so horrific.

02:14:27.000 I don't know what happens on this side.

02:14:30.000 I don't know what happens on this side.

02:14:32.000 I know that as an immigrant myself, I know that this administration, and specifically in this part of its history and what's happening right now, there's a lot of stress and fear.

02:14:50.000 I see the effects of it in different industries from agricultural to culture to just this general anxiety that is felt across the country by people of my color skin that look Mexican or aren't Mexican, you know? 0.99

02:15:06.000 But I also am not blind to or not stupid enough to see and compare it to the past administration and some of the shit that went on there. 0.98

02:15:13.000 That's the problem is it's an overcorrection. 0.99

02:15:16.000 The problem is when you have an open border and you do know that cartel members are just freely going across and you do have human trafficking and you want to stop it, then you want to get everybody out that came in during the last four years.

02:15:30.000 So now you have 20 million people you have to account for.

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:33.000 And the problem is some of them are good people.

02:15:36.000 Some of them are not gang members.

02:15:37.000 Most of them are just people that wanted a better life, most of them.

02:15:41.000 But they have mandates now.

02:15:43.000 And mandates get creepy because then people become numbers.

02:15:46.000 And if you say we got to get rid of X amount every day, and then you just show up at Home Depot and you get some hard working guy with a family who just wants to do some roofing jobs, you know?

02:15:58.000 Dude selling flowers.

02:16:00.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 Lady selling fruit in cups.

02:16:03.000 And then there's this pushback on amnesty.

02:16:06.000 People have this crazy pushback.

02:16:07.000 Like if someone's been here for twenty years, they've been working on a farm and they're good people and they've established a family here, let's figure the hard right pushback. 1.00

02:16:18.000 They're like, fuck you. 1.00

02:16:20.000 You got here illegally. 1.00

02:16:21.000 Get the fuck out. 1.00

02:16:22.000 It's like, those are jobs Americans could do. 0.99

02:16:23.000 It's like, I mean, yeah.

02:16:39.000 Illegal immigration is illegal because people want it to remain so because they need that cheap labor.

02:16:46.000 That's another addiction.

02:16:47.000 Someone explained that to me, that he was having a conversation with this extremely wealthy guy who was upset at the crackdown on the border because they need illegal workers.

02:16:59.000 It's a part of their business model because you don't have to pay them any benefits.

02:17:04.000 You don't have to pay them whatever the- Yeah, exactly.

02:17:08.000 And they can't complain.

02:17:09.000 If they do.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, which is...

02:17:14.000 Like you shouldn't have that.

02:17:16.000 So they should find out, first of all, forget about whether or not someone's illegal or not.

02:17:20.000 Like, what are you paying them?

02:17:22.000 You should have like a detailed record of how much everybody who works for you gets paid.

02:17:26.000 And if there's a bunch of people that are working for you that aren't on record, what's going on?

02:17:30.000 Yeah.

02:17:30.000 Like, why do you have this enormous corporation?

02:17:33.000 that relies on illegal labor. 0.52

02:17:36.000 There are legal means of coming up to the US and migrating or as a worker, but it's it's hard.

02:17:43.000 That's the problem.

02:17:44.000 If you're poor, if you're poor, it's almost impossible.

02:17:46.000 I have good friends that have immigrated to the United States and they have to prove that their job is something that can't be done by an American or that they're exceptional at their job. 0.96

02:17:57.000 When I went through my immigration process, I had my wife, whom I've known since I was sixteen, next to me and my daughter.

02:18:05.000 And they didn't believe that our marriage was real.

02:18:09.000 Jeez.

02:18:10.000 So I did it legally and I had all the things that I needed to have that immigration go through and it was the most difficult process that I've ever gone through.

02:18:22.000 And I can't imagine other people that have, I don't know.

02:18:27.000 What about they don't speak English, right?

02:18:29.000 What about they have no money?

02:18:31.000 But there are quotas for other countries.

02:18:33.000 Like I remember when I got mine, there was like a Nigerian dude that couldn't speak English and he got it and I got like we need more information.

02:18:41.000 Wow.

02:18:43.000 And that's another aspect of it, again, somebody brown in this country that is an immigrant.

02:18:48.000 Meanwhile, it's the foundation of most cities. 0.99

02:18:52.000 I mean, they're crazy. 0.98

02:18:53.000 I'll just see that documentary, A Day Without Mexicans. 0.99

02:18:56.000 Yeah.

02:18:56.000 The whole country shuts down, especially LA.

02:19:00.000 I mean, the California fires and all the houses that were gunned, like people in construction, you go to some of these work sites, they all speak Spanish.

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:10.000 You could, you'd be like, oh, go on that.

02:19:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:19:14.000 And it's been wild seeing that and the effects it has had on just general on the Mexican side is fear and anger and even like more anti-american feelings you know and also this new arrival of these Americans because think about this and I have a friend that I that I sometimes help out in in places like Tijuana,

02:19:44.000 where we recent deportees show up in Tijuana, and there's a lot of them right now.

02:19:50.000 Imagine you live in the U.S. from when you're two years old, all the way to your thirties, and then they tell you.

02:20:00.000 Right.

02:20:00.000 And then you're now you're in a shantytown in Tijuana.

02:20:03.000 Crazy.

02:20:04.000 That doesn't make any sense. 0.96

02:20:05.000 That's immoral.

02:20:06.000 Speaking the clearest English.

02:20:08.000 Like, somehow they pay taxes for all this period.

02:20:10.000 So, like, look, I paid my taxes and some of them have careers, some of them have families.

02:20:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:18.000 That's the kind of shit that drives me nuts. 1.00

02:20:20.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:20:21.000 Like, they should be grandfathered in.

02:20:23.000 You should figure out a way.

02:20:24.000 Like, if someone came over here when they're two, stop.

02:20:27.000 Yeah.

02:20:28.000 Stop.

02:20:30.000 The amount of people getting kind of separated and also the, I mean, they're not, we have a situation right now where there's American homeless people in Tijuana asking for money.

02:20:44.000 Whoa.

02:20:45.000 Right?

02:20:45.000 That's one thing.

02:20:47.000 And we also have people that you think are American, but they're actually Mexicans who were recently deported, who are living in very desperate conditions.

02:20:54.000 And hey, you want a job?

02:20:57.000 I can't speak Spanish.

02:20:58.000 Like, dude.

02:20:59.000 Oh my God.

02:21:00.000 So it's like, this is a phenomenon that's happening across the border.

02:21:04.000 And on this side, I didn't even think about people that can't speak Spanish.

02:21:08.000 Some of them can speak Spanish.

02:21:09.000 Oh my God.

02:21:10.000 I met one, I met a dude that, again, I think he was, since he was two, he was brought across.

02:21:15.000 And he found out that he, he found out that he didn't have any, he found out that he had any paperwork, I think at eighteen when he had to do some sort of process.

02:21:23.000 And they're like, wait, where's your. 0.99

02:21:25.000 birth certificate oh my god and he got caught up i think uh somewhere in la um and you know he sent down um this this uh this perception that it's all criminals is no no well they're saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally it's a crime okay so it was a two-year-old criminal two-year-old hardened criminal in his diaper yeah come on That's fucking insane. 0.96

02:21:54.000 I think you're spot on when you say this is an over correction. 0.95

02:21:58.000 Yes.

02:21:59.000 I think that is a very true statement.

02:22:01.000 It's also treating people like numbers.

02:22:05.000 And not having the resources to look at each individual case, not having enough manpower and people, and also everybody loses their compassion.

02:22:14.000 You just deal with it over and over again.

02:22:16.000 You're like, enough.

02:22:17.000 Yeah.

02:22:18.000 What's your story?

02:22:19.000 That's not really your kid, that's not really your wife. 0.94

02:22:21.000 Yeah.

02:22:22.000 You know?

02:22:23.000 People, they, you know, they get lied to enough that they lose their humanity.

02:22:27.000 Yeah.

02:22:27.000 I understand that aspect of it.

02:22:28.000 It's horrible.

02:22:29.000 But, you know, this is, we're going to live with the consequences of this, and our kids are going to live with the consequences of this probably in the future.

02:22:38.000 And when people look at the emotional karma of it.

02:22:40.000 Yeah.

02:22:40.000 Yeah, when people look back at this, you know, the United States leaving Afghanistan as it did guaranteed that it's going to be very hard for America to find friends internationally now, realistically.

02:22:54.000 However, it deals with Mexico in the next few years is going to define this nation. 0.98

02:23:00.000 This is whatever's happening right now, whatever deals are being done, whatever this administration is pointing at is going to define us.

02:23:10.000 I mean, my kids are going to have to live with the results of this.

02:23:14.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 There were mass deportations going on during the Obama administration too.

02:23:20.000 This is what a lot of people aren't aware of.

02:23:22.000 They used to call him the deporter in chief.

02:23:24.000 And this is one thing that just makes me nuts because whenever I hear people up here, they want to vilify just one side, I guess.

02:23:34.000 Yeah, you can't do that.

02:23:35.000 It's a trap.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 It's a trap.

02:23:38.000 When Obama wasn't, he deported a lot of people.

02:23:42.000 I think it was somewhere around three million people.

02:23:44.000 It was like this at the war.

02:23:46.000 How many people did the Obama administration deport over the entire eight years?

02:23:52.000 I think it was like three million people.

02:23:53.000 Yeah.

02:23:54.000 So, and I, and I, and why was he deporporting so many people?

02:23:59.000 Pressure.

02:24:00.000 They probably had some sort of political pressure.

02:24:02.000 I'm not sure.

02:24:03.000 But the thing I point at is that within my same community, they try and point at people in politics as, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party.

02:24:14.000 He's going to help us.

02:24:16.000 Whatever government governor it is in whatever state.

02:24:20.000 But no, he was a part of the same party that supported Obama and Obama was doing all this.

02:24:26.000 3,307,000.

02:24:30.000 So what is that total on the left, Jamie?

02:24:32.000 Total apprehensions and then the medal number you just read is the US Mexico border apprehensions.

02:24:39.000 So those are just apprehensions or what about deportations?

02:24:42.000 And then removal, total deportations is five million.

02:24:46.000 five million.

02:24:47.000 That's not just Mexico is kind of the point it's making.

02:24:50.000 Right.

02:24:51.000 five million.

02:24:52.000 Bush administration, ten million.

02:24:53.000 Whoa.

02:24:54.000 Clinton administration, twelve point three.

02:24:56.000 Wow.

02:24:59.000 How many has Trump deported?

02:25:04.000 Let's find that out.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, and the perception of the villainy, like in the community, it's all about pointing to those are the enemy, these are our friends, those are the enemies of our friends.

02:25:15.000 What they're doing exactly right here you know people get so caught up in you know it's a MAGA versus the democrats like you're being played yeah you're getting fucked no matter who's in office the whole thing is a scam and it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face the whole thing has nothing to do with you you're just a little pawn and they use TikTok too Yeah,

02:25:42.000 they use, there's so much propaganda being going on online.

02:25:46.000 In my mind, I always think about this first.

02:25:49.000 Like, I'm an immigrant.

02:25:51.000 I'm new here.

02:25:52.000 I'm trying to figure things out.

02:25:53.000 I've seen more of the United States than most Americans.

02:25:56.000 I think I'm missing Hawaii, Iowa, and Alaska, but I've been every other place.

02:26:02.000 I was in a room in Tennessee watching a bunch of dudes dance with poisonous snakes at one point.

02:26:08.000 Oh boy.

02:26:09.000 You went to a snake handler place?

02:26:11.000 Beautiful experience.

02:26:13.000 Americans go down in Mexico and watch bullfights. 0.99

02:26:16.000 And when I was there, I was like, I'm doing exactly the same shit you guys are doing. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Shit up. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:22.000 I grew up around snakes.

02:26:24.000 I used to hunt them and sell the skin to the bootmakers and stuff like that. 0.99

02:26:27.000 How did you get in contact with snake handlers?

02:26:31.000 I do a lot of training ac across the country for police, government institutions, privately.

02:26:37.000 And we got, I did a medical class out in Tennessee and somebody there's like, Hey, Ed, you're going, like, we want to show you around.

02:26:47.000 Show you around.

02:26:48.000 Want to go see a moonshine distillery?

02:26:50.000 He's like, No, like I said, Hey, are there any of these types of churches around here?

02:26:55.000 You know?

02:26:56.000 It's like, Yeah.

02:26:57.000 Why would you want to go there?

02:26:58.000 Because it's exotic to me.

02:27:00.000 Yeah.

02:27:01.000 I want to go there too.

02:27:02.000 That's what I want to see.

02:27:03.000 Yeah.

02:27:04.000 I can't tell you too much about them.

02:27:05.000 They told me to keep it low key.

02:27:07.000 But when I went there, they asked me, Are you Christian?

02:27:09.000 I'm like, I'm Catholic.

02:27:10.000 It's like, I'm Catholic.

02:27:11.000 So you're not Christian. 0.97

02:27:12.000 Catholic is Christian.

02:27:13.000 No, according to them, it's a satanic institution. 0.68

02:27:17.000 Oh.

02:27:18.000 But I said, okay.

02:27:20.000 Are you ready to accept their true words?

02:27:22.000 Yeah.

02:27:24.000 I want to see.

02:27:26.000 Right?

02:27:29.000 Baskets start kind of getting pulled out.

02:27:32.000 And, you know, again, I grew up around snakes, so I know what a basket with a snake might kind of, there's something in there.

02:27:40.000 I thought they were defanged in my mind.

02:27:45.000 Those things are definitely real poisonous snakes.

02:27:47.000 I don't know if they give them something.

02:27:49.000 so they're like chill.

02:27:50.000 No, they die all the time, those guys.

02:27:52.000 Yeah.

02:27:52.000 One got whacked recently.

02:27:54.000 Yeah, but they were still like handling, they're just fucking, just proving their faith with these snakes. 0.99

02:28:01.000 Well, if you're handling snakes all the time, they get accustomed to you handling them. 0.98

02:28:05.000 Yeah.

02:28:05.000 As long as you're feeding them.

02:28:06.000 I was, I was like, oh, that's cool, but I don't have enough faith.

02:28:10.000 I think as long as you keep them fed and they don't feel like they're in danger, yeah. 0.96

02:28:13.000 I don't think they're gonna fuck you up. 0.94

02:28:15.000 It's like when you encounter them in the wild, it's like they're just protecting themselves. 0.97

02:28:18.000 They don't want to get you.

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:20.000 But there were some pictures around of some of the people that didn't have enough faith, I guess.

02:28:24.000 Oh.

02:28:25.000 You got whacked?

02:28:26.000 Yeah.

02:28:27.000 Did they die or did they just like I think I mean I think they have pictures there of people that passed.

02:28:32.000 Because some people don't die.

02:28:33.000 You just get horrible necrose around the wound.

02:28:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:37.000 Where you need massive skin graphs and you lose like half of your fucking muscle tissue in your leg. 0.99

02:28:42.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:28:43.000 See if you can find that article about a guy recently, snake handler, who got killed.

02:28:48.000 Hopefully.

02:28:49.000 I'll just say a Trump thing before I move on.

02:28:51.000 Okay.

02:28:51.000 He did his first term.

02:28:53.000 He did half.

02:28:56.000 During his first four years, he did 1.5 million deportations.

02:28:59.000 That's about half of Obama's first term, which was 2.9.

02:29:02.000 Wow.

02:29:03.000 And same about the same as Biden's term, which was 1.49.

02:29:07.000 And where is he at now?

02:29:09.000 I mean, they're only six months into the year.

02:29:13.000 How crazy is it that Biden deported 1.49 million while letting in 20?

02:29:21.000 Like, what do you think they were doing?

02:29:23.000 Was that a part of destabilization?

02:29:25.000 I know there were also efforts to move people to specific states so that you can get a larger number for the census, so you get more congressional seats.

02:29:34.000 This is a dark thing that people don't want to admit because they're a died in the wolf democrat, but listen, it is.

02:29:40.000 It's not remember who to vote for and they just get dropped out.

02:29:42.000 I had a conversation with my parents about it.

02:29:44.000 They're like, no.

02:29:44.000 I'm like, yes.

02:29:46.000 It's about congressional seats.

02:29:47.000 It's like the census counts illegals. 0.95

02:29:50.000 And not only that, they're trying to make it so that those people can vote.

02:29:54.000 And if you can make it so that those people can vote, then all of a sudden you ship these people to a place, you give them EBD cards, you get them on food stamps, you give them Medicaid money, you give they have money.

02:30:08.000 And now, who are you going to vote for?

02:30:10.000 You're going to vote for the people who got your money.

02:30:12.000 You're going to vote for the people who gave you the food stamps.

02:30:14.000 Like, who are you going to vote for?

02:30:15.000 You're going to vote for the people that shipped you to Springfield, Ohio.

02:30:18.000 This is a good spot.

02:30:20.000 And why do you think that is?

02:30:21.000 Like, yes, boats, congressional seats it's one swing states swing states um net population growth i think there's a little of that too i think i think there's a population to collapse there's a population i mean nobody's immigrant there's no immigrant crisis in china right now right and i think they're on their way to probably collapsing if if they go through this downturn in their population i think the us is at some points of its history i think has been kind of close to that i think japan

02:30:51.000 is in the middle of it south korea is experiencing it and i ask because i i'm trying to find logic between deporting the biden administration doing that and then opening the door in that way.

02:31:06.000 For me, it's always been interesting how a lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a narrative in their head all the way from where they're coming from up into the U.S. So like Sean Ryan was here a while ago, and I think he mentioned that we actually went, I took him down to TJ to one of these migrant caravans that was right on the border.

02:31:27.000 And I told him, hey Sean.

02:31:29.000 You want to talk to some of these people?

02:31:30.000 Ah, sure.

02:31:31.000 And he got a kick out of the fact that in the middle of this camp, there was a giant Biden flag flying.

02:31:39.000 But that wasn't the.

02:31:41.000 funniest thing.

02:31:42.000 I'll see if I can send you the picture.

02:31:45.000 All the guys that we were interviewing, this is still COVID mask era.

02:31:48.000 Some of them had Make America Great Again masks on.

02:31:52.000 I have no idea who gave them those, but somebody with a sense of humor probably did.

02:31:58.000 I have a picture of me and Sean Ryan with some of the people that we interviewed and they have Make America Great Again masks on.

02:32:05.000 But they were told by the organizers that they had a clear path to the U.S. and that all they needed to do was make a lot of noise on the border, you know, make a lot of newsworthy events on the border, talk to all the press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs, and then they could go.

02:32:29.000 Wow.

02:32:30.000 That was their mindset that a lot of them had, which is a weird one, you know.

02:32:35.000 And then some of them would talk to us about the fact that they would get aid from the, like from Americans would come down and give them their camps, their tents.

02:32:43.000 USAID.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 And there was a lot of dollars being handed out to pay for things.

02:32:50.000 So it was shady, right?

02:32:53.000 Now, like, I actually talked to three.

02:32:57.000 I think they were Honduran.

02:32:59.000 They just got to the border.

02:33:03.000 Now their idea is to go to Europe.

02:33:09.000 They have this weird sense that somebody told them somewhere down there that Europe is taking immigrants.

02:33:14.000 So they're trying to make their way to Mexico.

02:33:16.000 So from Mexico, they want to go to Europe.

02:33:19.000 They're not looking to the U.S. anymore, which is a weird change in their narrative.

02:33:25.000 You see the mass immigration in Europe as bananas. 1.00

02:33:28.000 Yeah.

02:33:29.000 Yeah.

02:33:30.000 It's really crazy.

02:33:31.000 Yeah.

02:33:32.000 And again, but what is it about?

02:33:37.000 Like, why?

02:33:39.000 Why would someone organize this?

02:33:41.000 Why would someone fund this?

02:33:44.000 I don't know.

02:33:44.000 Destabilization, political means.

02:33:48.000 Maybe the US wants to avoid population decline, so this is one way they can backdoor it.

02:33:54.000 There's probably many factors, right?

02:33:56.000 The political the destabilization is one, but just politically to get more congressional seats because of the way they use the census, which I think Trump is trying to change.

02:34:05.000 Is he changing that?

02:34:07.000 They said they weren't going to count illegals in the census anymore.

02:34:11.000 I haven't heard of that.

02:34:12.000 Is that I mean, what kind of laws are involved.

02:34:17.000 Could you do that with an executive order?

02:34:18.000 Like, I don't know how you would do that.

02:34:20.000 I don't know.

02:34:21.000 But so you have that, and then you have the true need for labor that people don't, which, yeah, which is, I mean, again, I've been all over the country, and every time I go into a hotel in the Oklahoma, Buenos Diaz, Buenos Diaz, I was, I was to the Buenos Diaz, yeah.

02:34:40.000 And I, eighty percent of the time, like, Buenos Diaz.

02:34:43.000 Like, what part of Mexico are you from?

02:34:45.000 Like, we had this cool conversation, kitchens, like, I've, uh, throughout New York City.

02:34:51.000 Anthony Bourdain told me about that.

02:34:52.000 He said all his best cooks were Mexicansican from Puebla.

02:34:55.000 Wow.

02:34:58.000 I was in Vegas in this sushi restaurant, high level sushi restaurant.

02:35:02.000 Trump calls for a new US census that excludes undocumented immigrants.

02:35:06.000 Census has historically counted all residents regardless of citizen status as required by the 14th Amendment.

02:35:12.000 So you can't really do that.

02:35:14.000 The Congress has the power for the census, not the president.

02:35:17.000 So he's changing something.

02:35:19.000 So the Congress would have to agree with him on something like that, which I think politically there might be motivation to do that because you could game the system by an administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then.

02:35:32.000 But then the moving of all these immigrants to all these areas where you wanted to take over, which is crazy. 1.00

02:35:41.000 Like using these people as political ploys and then they get a fresh start in America.

02:35:44.000 So it's kind of like a win-win.

02:35:47.000 They're eating the dogs.

02:35:48.000 They're eating the cats.

02:35:48.000 Whenever I...

02:35:57.000 Whenever I travel, I always look at people in the service industry.

02:35:59.000 Like I try to see where they're from.

02:36:01.000 And it's always Mexican. 1.00

02:36:03.000 A lot of them are Mexican.

02:36:05.000 Different parts of the country, it's different, but mostly Mexicans.

02:36:09.000 Minnesota, there's a lot of Me not Mexicans there.

02:36:13.000 Ethiopians?

02:36:14.000 Yeah, a lot of Somalis.

02:36:16.000 Somalis.

02:36:17.000 I think there was one that was running for mayor there recently.

02:36:22.000 It was a young fellow.

02:36:24.000 Yeah.

02:36:25.000 Pretty radical.

02:36:26.000 He looked he looked exactly like someone that appeared in a movie where he was a captain for a moment.

02:36:31.000 Yeah.

02:36:31.000 That's all I'm going to say.

02:36:32.000 It was pretty fun.

02:36:33.000 But independently of that, the amount of cultures I'm experiencing across the country, it's like, wow, this is just like the UN of countries.

02:36:42.000 You know, like everywhere I go, I meet people from all over the world.

02:36:46.000 Well, that's the part of the beauty of America, really.

02:36:49.000 The beauty of America is that it's a melting pot.

02:36:52.000 That's supposed to be what's cool about it.

02:36:54.000 But when it's sort of weaponized in this way, when people are using it for their political gain and bringing people in for political gain, and then making a person like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all this shit to try to get in here legally, you're like, oh, you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which is really easy.

02:37:19.000 And I understand the part of the American populace that are just like, we want to keep America America.

02:37:26.000 Guess what?

02:37:27.000 I want to keep America America. 0.70

02:37:29.000 That's why I came up here.

02:37:30.000 Yeah.

02:37:31.000 Going to Kentucky and experiencing that America.

02:37:34.000 Yeah.

02:37:35.000 Cool.

02:37:35.000 Listen, there's no more American people than Cuban Americans.

02:37:38.000 Those motherfuckers are hardcore Americans. 1.00

02:37:41.000 Hardcore America. 1.00

02:37:42.000 You know why? 0.99

02:37:43.000 Because they know what the fuck communism looks like. 1.00

02:37:46.000 This isn't just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college. 1.00

02:37:49.000 Like their grandparents and their great grandmothers grew up oppressed. 0.99

02:37:54.000 Like they had to deal with that stuff. 1.00

02:37:55.000 They escaped and they came over to America and they have no tolerance for any bullshit. 0.98

02:38:00.000 Well, well, in Mexico right now, there are things you can't say. 0.98

02:38:04.000 You know, there's laws that prohibit you from being.

02:38:08.000 being violent verbally against a political figure if she's a female and you'll have to go on TV and like read out uh like a whole thing apologizing for your insults public humiliation basically is being legalized in Mexico and Mexico is going towards that side of things oh yeah and but I'm up here and I'm seeing some of the things up here as well you know so like I don't I have this I have this vision of the U.S. where it's like cool This

02:38:39.000 is a place where I'm safe to pursue whatever happiness I think exists.

02:38:45.000 I didn't find that happiness in my country where I'm from, where I came from because this or this or that.

02:38:52.000 Why do I want to bring some of that here?

02:38:55.000 I guess would be one of the ways I think about it.

02:38:58.000 I don't want, I don't want, hey, Texas is kind of boring. 0.99

02:39:02.000 Let's bring in fucking militarized cartel members to roll around the city and pick up kids and shit like that and drain them into camps. 1.00

02:39:07.000 Well, that's the big fear about Texas having Californians come here. 0.99

02:39:10.000 Don't California are Texas. 0.95

02:39:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:12.000 You know, because they're like, man, California is just bullshit. 1.00

02:39:15.000 We have to get out of here. 1.00

02:39:16.000 This place, the laws are dumb. 0.99

02:39:19.000 It just, like, what made this place this place? 1.00

02:39:22.000 Those fucking laws, dumb ass. 1.00

02:39:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:24.000 Yeah, like constitutional Gary. 1.00

02:39:26.000 Cool.

02:39:27.000 That's a cool thing.

02:39:28.000 Keeps everybody super polite.

02:39:29.000 Yeah.

02:39:30.000 Everybody super polite and also like, hey, you know, call the cops after, you know?

02:39:34.000 Whatever mentality that is.

02:39:36.000 In Mexico, airsoft guns are like on weird lists.

02:39:40.000 Like, you can't buy a sight for a gun.

02:39:45.000 If you want to buy a gun, you have to fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to anyone that doesn't have any real means or money to get guns or training.

02:39:56.000 So it's basically you don't get the privilege to defend yourself in a country where you can't trust the cops.

02:40:02.000 90% of all murders are never solved. 0.99

02:40:04.000 And look at all these fucking robing gangs rolling around with fucking capabilities of taking down helicopters. 0.99

02:40:10.000 They're cool, but you can't have a 22-caliber pistol. 1.00

02:40:15.000 That's the mindset.

02:40:16.000 When I came up here, I'm like, oh cool.

02:40:19.000 This is like, this is a place where that, some of that is not the case.

02:40:23.000 But then a bunch of gun laws passed in California while I was going through my process.

02:40:27.000 And people started showing up to the gun range that I would go to train with like weird California compliant guns that you had to like weld the magazine to a certain place and stuff like that.

02:40:36.000 And I was like, oh man, it's changing up here too.

02:40:39.000 Just California.

02:40:42.000 Just California.

02:40:42.000 California is rough.

02:40:44.000 Some of the things they did, like they made pistol companies make magazines with lower capacity.

02:40:50.000 If you can't kill people with a ten round magazine, like what?

02:40:54.000 How many lives does that save? 0.90

02:40:56.000 Zero? 0.97

02:40:56.000 Some of those laws are retarded. 0.97

02:40:58.000 But like But that's it.

02:40:59.000 It's just the illusion that they're doing something to combat drug violence or gang violence or gun violence.

02:41:04.000 It's all illusions.

02:41:05.000 Yeah.

02:41:06.000 It's all like optics.

02:41:07.000 But it is, it is, I mean, it's when I when I when I when I get asked about my American experience, you know, I've been profiled. 0.99

02:41:17.000 I've been I've some racist shit that's been sent to me. 0.84

02:41:21.000 Where are you living these days? 0.99

02:41:22.000 Texas, Houston, beautiful Houston.

02:41:24.000 It's the right amount of ghetto. 0.99

02:41:27.000 I love Houston.

02:41:28.000 I love it.

02:41:30.000 It's a little bit of Mexican there.

02:41:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:41:32.000 Houston is a big ass melting pot. 0.96

02:41:34.000 It's one of the best cities. 0.97

02:41:36.000 Yeah.

02:41:36.000 It really is.

02:41:39.000 When I got there, and again, I've lived in Kentucky for a bit, in California, and then there, I've experienced great.

02:41:47.000 profiling and racism in California, which is pretty funny to say, but that's where I experienced most of it.

02:41:54.000 I've experienced people opening their houses to me and just being the best people on the planet. 0.99

02:42:00.000 I experienced that in Texas and Kentucky with some people who were just like cool as fuck. 0.92

02:42:06.000 I've experienced the best and the worst that this country has to offer, I think. 0.99

02:42:10.000 And I can see in it, like, I get it.

02:42:12.000 I get what America is.

02:42:14.000 Like, I, dude, I finished high school and then I went to work for a paramilitary institution somewhere in New Mexico.

02:42:20.000 And then I came up here and I have seven employees now in a company.

02:42:25.000 I've spoken to members of Congress.

02:42:27.000 I've trained federal forces and people that I've read about in books on how to do things that I learned in this horrible country warfare that I had to go through.

02:42:37.000 There's no other place on the planet that would have provided me these opportunities for myself and for my daughter.

02:42:42.000 There's no other place in the world. 0.98

02:42:45.000 So, like, I definitely have a fucking skin in the game when it comes to this country. 0.96

02:42:50.000 It is disheartening that with the way things are now, like, we're it. 0.98

02:42:57.000 Like, brown Mexican immigrants of any kind, legal or illegal, we're it. 1.00

02:43:02.000 Right.

02:43:03.000 We are.

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:05.000 It right now.

02:43:06.000 In the sights of ICE.

02:43:08.000 In the sights of any sort of authority figure that might want to see, like, wait, wait, what are you doing?

02:43:14.000 Who are you?

02:43:14.000 So that's, it's an anxietyy.

02:43:17.000 And again, talking to people from my community across the country, it's a generalized anxiety of not feeling at home at home, which is dark.

02:43:29.000 Dark. 0.73

02:43:30.000 It's dark, yeah.

02:43:31.000 It's dark, yeah. 1.00

02:43:34.000 Yeah, that's the problem with these fucking braids. 1.00

02:43:37.000 It also makes the rest of us feel awful. 1.00

02:43:40.000 Like people that aren't scared of it.

02:43:43.000 you feel awful about like what America stands for.

02:43:46.000 Like the idea that we would find it right to send some kid who was born here or born in Mexico but came over here when he was two can't speak Spanish at all, some kid in LA that just doesn't have paperwork and all of a sudden he's in Mexico. 0.99

02:44:00.000 Yeah, like that is fucking dark. 0.98

02:44:02.000 That's crazy. 0.99

02:44:03.000 And that makes everybody else feel like, oh, this isn't a good country then.

02:44:08.000 That's not a good thing to do.

02:44:09.000 That's a bad thing.

02:44:10.000 That's an immoral thing to do.

02:44:11.000 That's a thing that you do when you don't care.

02:44:14.000 And this is supposed to be the shining light of the world.

02:44:17.000 Yeah.

02:44:18.000 And I talk to everybody.

02:44:20.000 Like I'm an open conversation, open book with anybody.

02:44:23.000 I don't see anybody as an enemy.

02:44:25.000 I don't see anybody as an opponent. 0.99

02:44:27.000 Dude, I've been through shit. 0.99

02:44:28.000 I've been through hell and back. 0.98

02:44:30.000 So I've encountered situations where I've had to talk to immigration officials and you know I'm like hey dude what's it like like what's what like being the villain right now like the amount of a lot of these guys are getting doxed they're utilizing AI technology to take a picture of them and removing the mask and gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are like there's there's people documenting their tattoos and then doxing them online and I'm like they are like why do you ask that Ed?

02:45:01.000 Because we were vilified too.

02:45:02.000 And that's how they got to us.

02:45:05.000 They started making us into the enemy.

02:45:11.000 There was a lot of interest out there, I can see, at high levels to separate us and keep us fighting, like at a cultural level, I think.

02:45:20.000 More destabilization.

02:45:22.000 So you think this is part of the plan?

02:45:24.000 I don't know if there's a plan or not.

02:45:25.000 I hopefully, it kind of makes sense.

02:45:27.000 Like the part of the whole agenda is to create even more conflict.

02:45:33.000 Hopefully somebody has a plan.

02:45:35.000 Like, I hopefully somebody knows what they're doing somewhere in the east, right?

02:45:41.000 If they don't, man, that's a dark thing to think about.

02:45:44.000 That's what makes me wonder.

02:45:46.000 I wonder. 0.99

02:45:47.000 I wonder if it really is a big plan or if it really is just fucking human chaos. 0.96

02:45:51.000 If I find myself in a room with Illuminati people and there's like a, then I'm like, oh, these guys are smart. 0.99

02:45:57.000 Whatever this is, if we're going to be cattle, at least somebody that knows their shit is going to be in charge. 0.98

02:46:02.000 But I don't know. 0.99

02:46:03.000 Like, I don't know.

02:46:06.000 I see this.

02:46:08.000 I see the U.S. in, like, people internationally see the U.S. declining, you know?

02:46:14.000 I got to experience the U.S. in the 80s.

02:46:18.000 crossing the border and going to San Diego and going to SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions of everything bigger in the supermarkets.

02:46:25.000 And then as an immigrant in the US now, I got everything smaller and Infrastructure is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country and it's not the US of the 80s, it's not the US of the 90s, it's different.

02:46:40.000 So yeah, I can see why people are screaming at the fact that, yeah, there's something has to be done.

02:46:45.000 We're losing it as a country.

02:46:47.000 But I think you're hitting on the on the head.

02:46:50.000 We went through a Biden administration that was all about who was in charge is the question I have.

02:46:59.000 Like, I don't was that dude in charge?

02:47:01.000 No.

02:47:02.000 Somebody was.

02:47:03.000 Yeah.

02:47:04.000 But not only that, I think there was more than one of that dude.

02:47:07.000 You know, there's like fake Bidens.

02:47:10.000 Yeah.

02:47:11.000 And his son going online and doing an interview and just giving us, giving us like an intimate view of his family conversations.

02:47:20.000 That sounds fun.

02:47:20.000 He's a part, dude, I've party with that guy.

02:47:23.000 Well, not, not anymore.

02:47:24.000 Back then, maybe.

02:47:26.000 I don't think he even parties anymore.

02:47:28.000 But it's wild to think, and then people question why things are the way they are and why people are struggling in different parts of this, in different parts of society in this country.

02:47:40.000 I came here to work and to make a better life for myself and for my kid.

02:47:44.000 And I somehow managed to be in a a place where I have employees and I have a company and I'm working, I'm doing work.

02:47:53.000 It's the American dream.

02:47:54.000 It is the American dream and it still exists.

02:47:57.000 And I'm proof of it still being real.

02:48:01.000 But it is under attack from all sides.

02:48:05.000 From all sides.

02:48:06.000 From all sides.

02:48:07.000 I'll do, I'll say that three times.

02:48:10.000 People need to realize that it's not just.

02:48:13.000 Right.

02:48:16.000 There's definitely an interest to keep us all fighting.

02:48:20.000 Yeah.

02:48:22.000 And social media is a big part of that.

02:48:24.000 Yeah.

02:48:26.000 I mean, that's literally how most people are getting their information and getting their narratives.

02:48:30.000 And the same fight that is played on social media, statewide, stateside, is kind of like the same fight that is being sold to us as far as Mexico versus the United States.

02:48:41.000 We're not enemies.

02:48:43.000 We're not, we shouldn't be enemies.

02:48:45.000 We should be the best of friends.

02:48:48.000 There are thousands of Americans living in Mexico now.

02:48:52.000 There's protests going on for gentrification in Mexico City from people being, locals being pushed off.

02:48:58.000 Yeah.

02:48:58.000 Go home, gringos written on the walls.

02:49:00.000 Meanwhile, there's ICE raids in LA and people are being rolled up and being deported and that's happening all the while where people are like Mexicans are sick of all these Americans living in all these cool parts of Mexico and gentrifying them which is wild I mean are we into mass American deportations next from Mexico is that going to happen in the past you could just cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask you for shit now they ask you for ID. 0.98

02:49:30.000 Oh really? 0.95

02:49:31.000 Yes.

02:49:32.000 A lot of Americans that live in places like Tijuana and then work in San Diego have encountered this.

02:49:38.000 Oh, things are changing.

02:49:40.000 Like, where's your ID?

02:49:42.000 They look Mexican.

02:49:43.000 Yeah, well, where's your federal voter ID?

02:49:45.000 It's like, you're an American, right?

02:49:48.000 And you just work in San Diego.

02:49:50.000 Yeah, they go back.

02:49:52.000 Really?

02:49:53.000 Yeah.

02:49:53.000 They send them back.

02:49:54.000 Do you have to pay for like a visa extension thing so you can cross the border regularly or you can be in Mexico for long periods.

02:50:03.000 But things are changing.

02:50:06.000 Again, these lines are being drawn on the ground.

02:50:09.000 I don't think they're good for anyone.

02:50:10.000 Free commerce at that border, San Diego and Tijuana are one and the same.

02:50:15.000 From blood, family, commerce.

02:50:18.000 Yeah.

02:50:18.000 They're one and the same.

02:50:21.000 Why draw a line there?

02:50:22.000 Yeah, when I used to work in San Diego, when I used to stand up down there, and, you know, if I hung out after the shows, I'd meet a bunch of people that came to the show from Mexico.

02:50:31.000 Yeah.

02:50:32.000 Yeah.

02:50:32.000 And I'd say, wow, did you just came over here for the show?

02:50:35.000 Yeah.

02:50:36.000 Drive across.

02:50:37.000 Yeah.

02:50:37.000 And there's, again, Mexico is poised to be a powerhouse economically if...

02:50:50.000 Oh.

02:50:51.000 And why is that being pushed too?

02:50:53.000 More destabilization.

02:50:55.000 But it is poised to be a powerhouse.

02:51:00.000 We have the youth. 1.00

02:51:01.000 We have everything we need to just fuck it explode. 1.00

02:51:05.000 Resources, everything. 0.99

02:51:07.000 But that's the same reason why we're being targeted so much for destabilization there.

02:51:12.000 Wow.

02:51:12.000 Um, there's no path forward.

02:51:16.000 I think to have a, I. I don't think that I don't want to I don't think that's I don't I wouldn't want to go there.

02:51:30.000 No, there's always been this free flow back and forth.

02:51:33.000 They just got to make it so that cartel members can't just come across or or terrorists from other countries don't have an easy pathway.

02:51:43.000 The flow of armaments going down to Mexico is one issue.

02:51:49.000 The flow of drugs coming up from Mexico is another issue.

02:51:54.000 The organized crime elements in Mexico doing horrific things to the local populace and to each other when they fight each other is an issue.

02:52:04.000 But also the United States' historical foreign policy to Mexico and its responsibility for a lot of these things happening in Mexico is also key.

02:52:13.000 What should the United States do about its responsibility in the past and some of its foreign policies in Mexico that have led Mexico to be where it is right now as far as violence?

02:52:23.000 I don't know.

02:52:25.000 I don't think a full-on military attack like Afghanistan or Iraq would be the answer because we see where that goes.

02:52:33.000 It's not as easy as sending just drones down there and exploding a few dudes because we've also seen what that happens when you cut the head of one snake.

02:52:42.000 You just abducted the head of the Sinaloa cartel and brought him to Texas.

02:52:47.000 And all that did, it didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico.

02:52:51.000 It didn't end the Sinaloa cartel.

02:52:53.000 It just made a GI war. 0.68

02:52:54.000 giant war in the state of Sinaloa and it divided up one cartel into two and probably made one of the biggest threats to the United States national security as far as cartels go bigger and more influential.

02:53:06.000 That's what that did.

02:53:08.000 Wow.

02:53:09.000 And again, the path forward, I don't know.

02:53:16.000 Both countries are linked through blood, genetics, culture.

02:53:21.000 There's a dude online saying that Mexican food is better in the US than Mexico. 0.98

02:53:25.000 He's a nuts nonsense. 1.00

02:53:26.000 He's just idiot. 1.00

02:53:29.000 Stupid dude. 1.00

02:53:30.000 You'll know who I'm talking about. 1.00

02:53:32.000 But both countries are like, again, I've been across this country.

02:53:37.000 I traveled across it, and it is a great country.

02:53:40.000 I love it.

02:53:42.000 I love it.

02:53:42.000 I love Mexico as well.

02:53:44.000 It's my home country.

02:53:45.000 And I travel when I can there as well.

02:53:48.000 I don't see a future without both of our countries just figuring things out together.

02:53:52.000 There's no, I don't see a future like that.

02:53:55.000 Well said.

02:53:57.000 Well said.

02:53:57.000 We are going to need each other more than we think in the coming years.

02:54:03.000 And open warfare between both countries is not Fucking insane.

02:54:07.000 It's not going to be, it's not going to lead to anything.

02:54:11.000 the United States doesn't have the manpower to stop the wave of migration that will come out of that country if you start lobbing targeted strikes in certain parts of that country.

02:54:22.000 There's no way.

02:54:23.000 So if you want to talk about it, migration is your issue, you're going the wrong way.

02:54:29.000 And also, at what point do some of these criminal organizations, as I said, become freedom fighters?

02:54:36.000 Right.

02:54:38.000 And once they become freedom fighters, at what point do they start targeting Americans living down there?

02:54:44.000 Right.

02:54:45.000 And it's just not good.

02:54:49.000 I wonder if they've thought it out, like the U.S. government's thought it out the way you're laying it out.

02:54:55.000 I've spoken to members of Congress, and I've spoken to members, I've been in Washington a few times, and I've spoken to people that are in charge of things.

02:55:06.000 And they have notions, some of them, you know, but some of them are clearly, you know, They took that.

02:55:16.000 They don't get that world.

02:55:17.000 And if they're not like fully invested in finding out and really diving deep and getting an understanding of it, how could they know what you know?

02:55:26.000 Yeah, there's well, they're doing the right thing by, like, I've been in rooms with people who were part of this conflict and they're asking the right people.

02:55:38.000 But they're some of them are verifying, like, we were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local officials there and they told us that they're doing this now.

02:55:45.000 And look at all the drugs that they just got.

02:55:47.000 They're doing their job now.

02:55:50.000 And I'm like, dude, I used to work for them.

02:55:52.000 And I can tell you that those boxes beneath those pills are probably empty and they're just there to produce a visual weight of it.

02:56:00.000 And also like that unit that did that seizure, yeah, they're on a payroll for this organization and also the governor of this place where this seizure happened yeah you just took her visa away because the husband is involved in fuel smuggling so is this a win wow but yeah you're freaking me out i'm sorry but

02:56:29.000 yeah there are people that are trying to figure it out yeah in the government there are people that are asking the right questions I just I don't know what they're doing.

02:56:38.000 I don't know what's going to happen with the information, but a few things are clear.

02:56:45.000 Everything is on the table as far as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America right now.

02:56:52.000 There is an interest by the United States in some of that going on.

02:56:58.000 That's clear.

02:57:00.000 And what that's going to look like, is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest of El Mayo Sambana on a plane in some pretty kind of weird circumstances?

02:57:15.000 Is the United States already doing political counter-operations against the regime that is ruling over Mexico in some way, shape, or form?

02:57:23.000 I don't know, there's a bunch of political exposes going on all over Mexico right now with a bunch of documents and members of their very austere political party having lavish lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and that goes on the news.

02:57:39.000 And then the president of Mexico says the CIA probably is taking all those pictures as a counter-operation to what they're doing.

02:57:47.000 Oh boy.

02:57:48.000 So I think whatever's happening is already in motion.

02:57:54.000 My point is the cost of this is if it's if it isn't done in a if it isn't done if it if it If it isn't done correctly, if it isn't done in a way where it's not taking into consideration the outcome or the fallout of something like abducting another giant head of a cartel down there or taking him out, then I think the biggest target out there is the head of the New Generation cartel.

02:58:21.000 I think that's, if I could be a psychic right now, and I say the U.S. is going to plan some sort of direct action operation, I think that's going to be aimed at them.

02:58:33.000 But, you know, if the Americans have a vision that they're going to go somewhere and everybody's going to be wearing cartel member vest on.

02:58:43.000 I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and they have a bunch of police officers with full uniforms or actually police officers there or members of the military that engage in a firefight with them and call backup from the military and then now you're involved in a fight with the army down there.

02:59:04.000 Because they're all involved with the cartel.

02:59:06.000 Some of them are.

02:59:07.000 Again, we hear these stories of these people, who's training them, who's supplying them, who's showing them how to use those rocket launchers that they're getting from the Ukraine.

02:59:17.000 You hear these stories and you're like just like that dude standing up there the CIA was involved in drug you're like Ed you're just talking out of your ass this conspiracy theory shit five years ago I said terrorist designation and direct action in Mexico of a high against a high-level cartel head and here we are yeah and maybe I may be on that side of conspiracies but I've been pretty spot on. 0.79

02:59:42.000 You've been pretty spot on. 0.90

02:59:43.000 Ed, I appreciate you very much.

02:59:44.000 I'm glad we did this.

02:59:46.000 I've been following your work over the last five years and you're always on it.

02:59:49.000 So it's great to hear you lay all this stuff out.

02:59:52.000 Tell everybody how they could find you online.

02:59:56.000 Last time I was..

02:59:57.000 here they deleted my Instagram account of over 500,000 followers.

03:00:01.000 After the podcast?

03:00:02.000 Uh, I posted something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during COVID and the Instagram didn't like that and they took down my account.

03:00:14.000 Wow.

03:00:15.000 So what is it now?

03:00:16.000 It is Manifesto Radio Podcast at, uh, It's at Manifesto Radio Podcast on Instagram and on YouTube.

03:00:23.000 If you want to check me out, I have a small podcast.

03:00:27.000 I talk to just people related to this environment.

03:00:32.000 I post pictures daily and a bunch of weird memes and stuff like that.

03:00:38.000 It's basically an open blog of my travels.

03:00:41.000 I'm constantly traveling, talking to people that are involved in this and just putting the word out there.

03:00:48.000 I'm not in politics.

03:00:49.000 I'm not a reporter.

03:00:50.000 I'm not a cartel reporter. 0.99

03:00:52.000 I'm a dude that went through some shit. 1.00

03:00:54.000 I'm still going through some shit. 0.99

03:00:55.000 I'm trying to figure things out as a new American. 0.98

03:00:58.000 And I want the best for both countries.

03:01:00.000 That's why I am.

03:01:02.000 Beautiful.

03:01:03.000 Thank you.

03:01:04.000 Appreciate it, brother.

03:01:05.000 Thank you.

03:01:05.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 22, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2369 - Ed Calderon

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