In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, I sit down with my good friend and comedian, Dave Smith, to talk about a variety of topics. We talk about how we got to where we are now, what it's like to be a comedian, and what it means to be in the public eye.
00:01:15.000But that's been like the essentially that's like the knock is like, yeah, but you're acting like you're an expert, but you're just some comedian.
00:01:31.000And still, being not an expert, hand me your favorite warhawk, and I will tear them to shreds, because it's actually not that hard.
00:01:39.000And like, these people aren't really experts either.
00:01:41.000Well, also the problem with that is these people that are talking about these things are talking about people not being experts while they're not experts.
00:01:58.000There's all these different people who have expertise in one area that is pretty much outside geopolitical world politics and internationalism.
00:02:14.000These are very complex, sophisticated, nuanced discussions that you have to have when you're talking about these things because there's so many different factors at play.
00:02:42.000But then there's also, it's a convenient kind of way to dismiss somebody.
00:02:47.000Of course, because of addressing the facts.
00:02:49.000Well, I thought it was, this just, I thought was really funny to me, was that so like a few days after the last time, after me and Douglas Murray debated on the show, he went on Bill Mars show.
00:03:00.000And so it's like after having this whole thing, the whole 45 minutes opening the show about how you comedians don't know what you're talking about, says don't know what you're talking about, while he's smearing two people who he's never heard of and doesn't even know what they do or whatever, but not the best way to make an appeal to expertise.
00:03:17.000But he doesn't have a problem with Bill Maher doing it because he agrees with him.
00:03:22.000So the issue isn't really being an expert versus being a comedian.
00:03:25.000You know, Constantin Kissin went on this whole thing about expertise and all of this, and it's like, he also started as a comedian.
00:03:33.000Why all of a sudden does this standard only apply to me and only when I'm talking about Israel?
00:03:38.000It never applied to me when I was talking about COVID.
00:03:40.000It never applied to me when they agreed with me on stuff.
00:03:43.000They would just go, look, Dave breaking it down.
00:03:45.000But now there's this one topic that one guy is not allowed to not to be an expert on, and it happens to be this one topic that the entire population is turning on.
00:03:55.000I shouldn't say the entire, but like huge numbers.
00:03:58.000When someone attacks what you do professionally versus what you're actually saying, why not just dispute what he's saying instead of like this appeal to authority?
00:04:42.000I know how to do a few hip tosses, but when someone is doing something, i don't even know what it's called if i go haragoshi i might get it wrong because haragoshi might be legs on the outside versus leg on the inside wrestling I gotta defer to DC.
00:04:57.000Even in martial arts, I'm not totally an expert.
00:05:09.000And with, like, a total expert or a coach or something like that, total expert in wrestling, and they could still get something about MMA completely off.
00:05:15.000Or Judge, wait, because it happened in the last fight in the last UFC card.
00:05:20.000Daniel Cormier didn't know about the Dead Orchard.
00:05:23.000So he thought this person was fine because they had two arms in while they were caught in a triangle.
00:05:46.000There's a couple of other things like the buggy choke.
00:05:48.000If you don't know about Jiu Jitsu and you see a guy who's on his back and he's getting smothered but all of a sudden he reaches under with his leg and I'm going, oh, oh, oh, and you don't know what's going on.
00:05:57.000Like that's a fucking choke, like a really dangerous one.
00:06:00.000Ty Ruotolo gets you in that, you're Foxville.
00:06:04.000You know, there's guys, so it's like there's areas of expertise, even in areas that I'm an expert in that I have to call on other people.
00:06:26.000Did Iran get the money to do this when Biden released the funds?
00:06:31.000Because who's allowed to be an expert on all these things?
00:06:36.000Yeah, and then of course there are things like, say, do you support lockdowns?
00:06:44.000And in order to have, say, an expert opinion on this policy, it's like, okay, well, they'd say we're following the science.
00:06:52.000So in other words, they have an epidemiologist or something like that who's arguing lockdowns will cut down on the transmission of the virus.
00:06:58.000Forget they turned out to be wrong, but leaving that aside, you're like, okay, but are they also.
00:07:26.000I forget who it was, but some health official was being interviewed recently and he said that during 2020 that Anthony Fauci said to him, The problem is Americans aren't scared enough.
00:07:55.000I don't know how many people got really, really, really sick from COVID because when they got it they freaked the fuck out and they couldn't sleep and they thought they were going to die and they were riddled with anxiety and that makes you attack people around you and then you look for a solution.
00:08:10.000And when these trusted institutions, which up until five fucking years ago, I was 100% on board with, with everything, with vaccines, with every medical innovation other than psychiatric medications, which I think are pretty much overprescribed.
00:08:24.000All of a sudden, everyone's like hoping these people have the answer.
00:08:30.000So anybody who's like, but there's this guy, Jay Bhattacharya, you know, he's also an expert.
00:08:36.000It's like an anti-science, trust the science, COVID denier.
00:08:41.000denier it's just became this fearful because everybody just responded to the media because everybody's too tuned in to all this negative shit man all day long well you have to scare people you know if you want to if you want to implement like a tyrannical policy.
00:08:57.000You almost always have to scare people.
00:09:21.000If you, you know, people forget about this.
00:09:22.000But like the level to which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush used to fear Monger.
00:09:28.000Dick Cheney, the vice president of the United States of America, who is a bit more than just your average vice president, he said it's not a matter of if, but when there will be another 9-11 attack..
00:09:39.000They built that they were trying to tell the American people right after 911 to be in a constant state of fear.
00:09:47.000Do you remember the COVID warnings where they had colors?
00:09:50.000Or excuse me, the warning where they had colors?
00:10:03.000But the thing about it is, is that they knew what they wanted to do.
00:10:06.000They knew the policy they wanted to start embarking on.
00:10:09.000And it was the mix of they hate us, the big lie, which was they hate us for our freedom, which was like really the big lie after 9111 was like because the American people very organically wanted to know what the beef was like 9/11 happened everybody was like yo why do they hate us right what's this beef about and their answer was they hate you for your freedom and by the way this is gonna happen again so be terrified second off understand that they're so irrational that their beef with you is that like your grandma can go to the grocery
00:10:39.000store so what do you do with that other than say what the American people said which is George W Bush you have a blank check to go attack whoever you want to and we'll support you yeah I remember feeling that way I remember feeling that way right I remember feeling it's up to these fucking guys, these hard-nosed generals and military leaders that are these are the guys that are going to protect us now.
00:11:02.000We've got to put all our faith in them.
00:11:20.000You know, me and Eddie Bravo would get high and watch space documentaries and freak out about aliens, you know, the stupid shit.
00:11:27.000But then the Patriot Act came along and I was like, okay, what the fuck is this?
00:11:33.000Like, what is indefinite detention mean?
00:11:36.000When they sign the NDAA, you're like, wait a minute, what are you talking about?
00:11:41.000What is the Munt, what it rhymes with Kunt, the act that Obama passed in 2015 that allowed them to use censorship or excuse me, propaganda on American citizens?
00:12:00.000I mean, I had read one book a long time ago that really fucked me up, this book called Best Evidence about the Kennedy assassination.
00:12:07.000And unfortunately, I read it right before I went on stage.
00:12:10.000I was in Philadelphia and I was headlining.
00:12:16.000And this was like when I was just starting to headline, right?
00:12:19.000And so, uh, had a show Thursday, killed, everything's great, went back to my hotel room, nothing to do, read this fucking book for like six hours, freaked out, showed up at this show like ashen faced, like, oh my god, they killed the president.
00:12:33.000Like, I had never even considered that before that book.
00:14:15.000You know, like you need that sometimes just as a course reset.
00:14:18.000And I felt like as a country, we've been doing shady shit all around the world forever and there's real war happening everywhere, but we're super lucky because we're separated by oceans and not too much has really happened here.
00:15:01.000I was in New York City on September 11, and I remember, so I was in Brooklyn, like only a few miles from the World Trade Center, and like Did you physically see it?
00:15:14.000I saw, so I remember seeing, you know, I think, so I when I got out of school, I was in high school, I was a senior in high school, and we got out.
00:15:24.000One of the girls like forged a note and said it was from our parents or something like that.
00:15:28.000I forget exactly how it worked, but we got out.
00:15:30.000It was like, I was friends with the security guard.
00:15:42.000So I remember we, I'm pretty sure when we came to Flatbush Ave, we saw like, it was, there was smoke in the air, but both the towers had, had fallen by the time we got out.
00:15:51.000So the subways had been out for a while.
00:15:53.000And where I was, I was like on Flatbush Avenue, if anyone knows Brooklyn.
00:15:57.000It's like Flatbush and Seventh Avenue.
00:15:59.000So this is like, it's kind of a straight chute down to the Manh Manhattan Bridge and then the Brooklyn Bridge is down there too.
00:16:05.000But the Brooklyn Bridge you can walk over.
00:16:07.000And so at this point already people who were down in the financial district had just decided to walk back to Brooklyn because they realized they weren't going to get a cab or get on the subway.
00:16:16.000And so you'd see just like one guy in a suit and tie covered in soot, head to toe, like walking up like, oh, he must have just been down there and walked up.
00:16:25.000And but I remember now this is in Brooklyn, but even there it's very busy, but people were stopping and asking each other.
00:16:33.000People who you would pass on the street but never talk to were stopping and asking everyone, how's your this community spirit that you just don't, you don't typically get in New York City because there's just too many people.
00:16:47.000But that part of it was kind of beautiful.
00:16:49.000And then, of course, governments do what they do and immediately manipulate that into launching wars that they wanted from before 911 that had absolutely nothing to do with 911, which is, you know.
00:17:01.000Also the Patriot Act was a bunch of shit they had tried to pass for a while, for years.
00:17:06.000And everyone's like, what are you fucking crazy?
00:17:08.000Well, this is the thing, and I guess maybe it's partly like my age, because I was eighteen at the time, and this is like my coming of age, you know, time.
00:17:15.000But I will never stop being furious about all that shit and this is like still to this day i'm sure you you see it when i'm on podcasts with you and doing debates and stuff but i'm so angry over the war in iraq and and the subsequent wars and you know liby and syria and somalia and yemen and all of them but specifically because like all these guys the neoconservatives the the n word that i'm not supposed to bring up even though by the way Douglas Murray wrote a book called Neoconservatism, Why We Need It.
00:17:45.000But when I say the word neoconservative, be careful what you're watering here or something like that.
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00:19:45.000Well, I mean, I'd say the answer is that those guys got into power.
00:19:50.000They really hijacked American foreign policy after 9-11 because they happen to all be in in power in the Bush administration, then 9-11 happened on their watch.
00:19:58.000But if you go back and read the shit they read, and I will never stop talking about this because it's just too goddamn crazy.
00:20:04.000But if you read all of these guys, the guys who were in the George W. Bush administration, I mean, like the signatories on the project for a new American century, which was their think tank, the PNAC, as it's called, were like...
00:20:31.000We are for the first time in human history like the lone superpower in the world.
00:20:36.000So what we should do right now is fight multiple wars because no one threatens us.
00:20:43.000And so therefore, we should fight multiple wars.
00:20:46.000Right now, we have an opportunity to remake the world, overthrow the old Soviet sock puppet states, install our own states there, and guarantee, as the name says, the new American century of dominance, the 21st century.
00:20:59.000And they specifically said they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
00:21:02.000And then they specifically said in, and now this is something that the 911 Truthers really held on to.
00:21:07.000I think they might be overplaying their hand a little bit here.
00:21:10.000here but they say there's one document in the project for a new american century you can find it online where they straight up say they go now look this is what we want to do but we're unlikely to get mass american support for it short of another pearl harbor type event.
00:21:28.000And so a lot of people like Alex Jones and a lot of the 9-11 truthers would point to this phrase and go, see, this is the proof that they knew they needed another Pearl Harbor, so they planned their own Pearl Harbor.
00:21:42.000It doesn't necessarily prove that, but it certainly does change the way you think about their mind state when they sit there watching the towers get attacked and they all at the very least they all went we got it you know Alex Jones predicted 9-11 in July yeah but that's not quite as that's not quite as unique as I think some people think it is really well like people so like you ever hear how he said it yeah I've heard I've heard the clip it was pretty good I mean I'm not like taking anything away from that he was right but there were a bunch of people who predicted
00:22:12.000it Ron Paul himself predicted it perfectly did they predict planes into the towers let's just say no I don't know about that that is pretty impressive but at the same time you know the but planes had never flown into the towers before that's true but the World Trade Center was attacked by Al-Qaeda guys in 93.
00:22:36.000Do you ever hear Adrian's joke about that?
00:22:38.000I don't want to butcher it on your show, but Adrian Appalucci is a hilarious comedian.
00:22:42.000She had a joke about how, you know, in that song where Biggie goes, time to get paid, blow up like the world trade, but they bleep world trade now.
00:22:50.000And then her bit is how they didn't bleep.
00:22:52.000Like he was talking about the first one, but they bleep it because of the second, you know, because the towers came down.
00:22:57.000But then her bit is just like, you go, like, that wasn't enough of a tragedy to make it bleep.
00:23:01.000It was like a funny, like only a few people died.
00:23:16.000Well, it's weird when you hear about so I don't know if I fully buy into any of this as a caveat before I get rolling, but when people discuss the intelligence agencies and their role in hip hop, especially gangster rap.
00:23:34.000Like, I remember the very first time I listened to NWA.
00:23:39.000And I think I told IceCube when he was here, I was on listening to Fuck the Police.
00:23:48.000I was like, Fuck the Police, coming straight from the underground.
00:24:23.000Because you go to the gym gym and it'd be like the worst poison song playing, no respect to poison or something like, God, I can't get into this.
00:24:57.000And I was, you know, I was just sitting there going, I can'm really into Ice Cube, really into Ice Tea.
00:25:05.000I'd listen to that when I was delivering newspapers.
00:25:08.000It was like gangster rap was like a completely different thing.
00:25:12.000So then cut to when people start digging into it, like intelligence agencies have had there's a weird book on intelligence agencies and their role in rock and roll music in the 1960s.
00:25:24.000The book about the book about Laurel Canyon.
00:25:34.000But there's a lot of like weird connections to the intelligence community and music, particularly hip hop and particularly gangster rap and if you want to get really dark you would say if you want to fill your private prisons up what better way than have very popular music encouraging prisons excuse me encouraging crime encouraging out outright celebrating crime and violence That way you fill your prisons up and you also keep people scared
00:26:05.000so you can give them more laws and more rules and crack down and make them easier to placate, easier to get them to fall in line and do what you need them to do.
00:26:16.000Yeah, and support massive police build-ups and massive, you know, like militarization of the police and all this stuff.
00:26:23.000And I don't know, you know, I've heard a little bit about that.
00:26:26.000I know IceCube has talked about it before, like talked about how like there's undeniably this influence.
00:26:31.000It does, there are some things about it that seem crazy, but I do know that, and I don't even think this is a controversial thing to say.
00:26:38.000I think this is just like fact at this point that it was the Reagan administration who did traffic in cocaine to the United States of America while they were ramping up the war on drugs.
00:26:49.000So like they're bringing in in their effort to help the Contras or whatever, they're going like, okay, well, these guys are.
00:26:57.000drug dealers, so if we move these drugs in, we can get these money shipments to them and then you're sitting in there, they're creating the conditions for the crack epidemic to explode.
00:27:07.000And then they catch one guy with a few rocks on him and they're throwing him in jail for decades.
00:27:13.000It's like just that alone, just that one piece of information, you'd almost if you're in a sane world, you'd go like, oh, so the people had a revolution and overthrew that government and publicly hung all the politicians involved and then we started over from new.
00:27:46.000I do not think the intelligence agencies let that information that far up the chain to a guy who's only in there for four years before he has to get reelected.
00:28:24.000I do not think in cases like that you have access.
00:28:28.000I think if they're doing something like selling crack in the hood and using the money to fund the Contras, there's no fucking way you could ever kosherize that.
00:28:39.000So I don't think you ever let the president know.
00:29:18.000I came into this office thinking I'm going to be a good American and we're going to get back to basics and hard work and trickle down economics.
00:29:25.000And you're telling me you're selling crack?
00:30:07.000Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent before he was ever a reporter that was his first gig tucker carlson told me that it blew my fucking mind he's like what rookie reporter for their first gig their first story gets you're going to take down the most popular president in u.s history yeah he won by the biggest march 49 states yeah he's a dominant real the american people had spoken they supported this guy and then right bob woodward some 20 something year old reporter he gets the biggest story
00:30:37.000in american history he happened to just come out of naval intelligence in a weird coincidence did i tell you what bill murray told me no so bill murray was on the podcast and was talking about bob woodward's movie The book he wrote, what was it?
00:31:42.000Yeah, my good friend who I mentioned quite a bit, but Scott Horton, who is, I think, the best foreign policy voice in the United States of America.
00:31:57.000But so while, so Bob Woodward's latest book came out, and I remember he told me about this, but so he just happened to be writing his book on Ukraine when he saw this new Bob Woodward book came out and they had a quote in it.
00:32:09.000I believe it was a Sergei Lavrov quote who's like Putin's right-hand man.
00:32:14.000And Scott said he's reading it and he goes, this quote's all wrong.
00:32:17.000He goes, the actual quote, like I was, he was just researching this for his book, and he goes, the quote means the exact opposite of what he's claiming it means here.
00:32:26.000He wasn't referring to this, he was referring to that.
00:32:28.000And then he just, I remember he just told me, he goes, like, so for the record, like, you can just never trust anything Bob Woodward says because he'll take this quote and just get it, mangle it to the point where he's presenting it as if it means 180 degrees opposite of what the quote actually meant.
00:32:43.000And so, yeah, there's a like the historian of record.
00:34:53.000They got him out of there when really the answer is much more like the intelligence agencies took over the United States of America in a hostile coup against John F. Kennedy.
00:35:05.000And then Nixon comes in like a few years later and is like essentially taken over as well, but they get the American people to believe that like what that was was a corrupt president being ousted.
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00:36:40.000Well, it's also easy to frame Nixon that way because he's ugly, right?
00:36:45.000He's not a good looking guy and it was just after Kennedy.
00:36:49.000Look, when Muhammad Ali retired, Larry Holmes couldn't get any love, couldn't get any love, and one of the reasons why Larry Holmes, who is one of the best heavyweight champions of all time, couldn't get any love is because he beat the fuck out of Muhammad Ali and everyone was sad and everyone hated him because of that.
00:37:07.000And you just, you're never like if you're Nixon and you're following JFK who got shot in the fucking head, we lost., we got to assassinate, someone assassinated the greatest president of all time, this good looking guy who was going to really change things and didn't believe in secrecy and was talking to the American people like we have hope and dreams.
00:37:47.000You know, which is, unfortunately, when you have a society where you do have ubiquitous crime.
00:37:55.000You do need some kind of an authoritarian leadership.
00:38:00.000Not saying you need tyranny, not saying you need a dictator, but you need fucking laws and you need rule of law.
00:38:07.000And sometimes those people come off very harsh and very uncaring and unloving and the total opposite for like...
00:38:19.000Because Jimmy Carter represented like a genuinely sweet, good guy.
00:38:24.000But like, look out, that president was a disaster because they were all working against him, for sure.
00:38:29.000And on top of that, it's like hard to be like, a bit of a hardass if you want to run the world.
00:38:35.000But the way Nixon did it, we're still suffering through that today.
00:38:40.000That motherfucker, he's partially responsible for that sweeping Schedule 1 act of 1970.
00:38:48.000When they did that and they made everything illegal, everything Schedule 1, including things that are 100% medicinal, like marijuana, all that fucked up society and they did it specifically to target the anti-war movement and to target the civil rights movement specifically.
00:39:11.000And I would put the number one, and I completely agree with you, I mean, launching the war on drugs was a disaster, but taking us off the gold standard was one of the worst policy decisions in the history of the United States of America.
00:39:23.000That is, we're so many of the problems we face now is because of that.
00:39:28.000And people could say, like, I've heard Pat Buchanan defend Nixon on this before.
00:39:32.000Pat Buchanan was in the Nixon administration.
00:39:37.000And he was like, well, look, what were we going to do at that point?
00:39:40.000And so he was basically saying, because what happened was essentially, so you had like the Bretton Woods Agreement, which started after World War III, or actually, I'm sorry, it started at the very end of World War II.
00:39:52.000It was in 1944, where they had the Bretton Woods Agreement, where they could kind of see where World War II was going.
00:39:58.000And it was basically like, okay, well, all of Europe is destroyed, and a lot of Asia is destroyed, or not yet, I guess it was 44, but it was getting there.
00:40:09.000And America had, you know, at least on the homeland hadn't really been touched.
00:40:14.000And we had like a wild amount of the world's gold.
00:40:17.000And so the deal was essentially that like we will peg the dollar to gold at $35 an ounce.
00:40:23.000Everyone else can peg their currency to the dollar and then the dollars are refundable you know you can get an ounce for 35 and so that you know was whatever there were problems with the Bretton Woods agreement but that was what stood from after World War II into so from 1944 to 1973 or 1971 when he took us off the gold standard.
00:40:47.000And so essentially what happened was through the 60s, we started cheating.
00:40:53.000And it became very obvious to the world that we were like, you know, in the 1960s, you're like, you have the great society.
00:40:59.000So we created Medicare and Medicaid and we went to the moon and we were fighting the war in Vietnam.
00:41:06.000And we were just printing money for all of this, which is what we still do to this day.
00:41:10.000But so essentially the Europeans started looking at us and they were like, I don't think you got enough gold to cover all these dollars that you're printing around.
00:41:18.000Wasn't that thing where they were going to do an audit of Fort Knox that we never heard about?
00:41:24.000Well, what I know is that I'm pretty sure it was the French, might have been the British too, but it was definitely the French.
00:41:30.000The French basically called our bluff and they just went, okay, we'll take gold.
00:41:36.000We got all these dollars, we'll take gold.
00:41:38.000We get an ounce for every 35 dollars that we have.
00:42:07.000So Pap Buchanan says, defending his boy, Richard Nixon, he goes, well, what were we going to do at that point?
00:42:13.000Let him clean us out of all of our gold and just not be the dominant power.
00:42:17.000But I think the retort to that is, yeah.
00:42:20.000Like that's what you should have done.
00:42:22.000Because the decision to go off of the gold standard essentially just said well now there's no more even pretend limits on government you know this is why ron paul who happy birthday to the greatest living american hero just turned just turned 90 um and uh i was just at his uh birthday party a few weeks ago and damn you are you partying with ron paul dude that dude throws it down no i'm just kidding it was it was very nice though to see him tulsi gabard was there which was cool um but so so Essentially,
00:42:53.000That was the last restraint on government is that at least even then, even under Bretton Woods, when we're cheating, at least there's some feeling of like, well, don't cheat too bad.
00:43:02.000because they could maybe try to counteract the government.
00:43:21.000This is what has really destroyed everything, is that there's just no, and it's a big part of the reason why I'm so angry about all these wars too, because it's all related.
00:43:31.000You know, the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, or the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woodrow Wilson in 1913.
00:43:38.000And then in 1914, I think is when it actually got up and running.
00:43:49.000And three years later is World War I. You know, like three years or American entry into World War I. So it's like, this is the banking system and the tax system are very like interrelated with the warfare state.
00:44:04.000Like you need this stuff in order to fight wars.
00:44:08.000You know, even just over the, whatever it is, over the last 25 years, we've spent close to $10 trillion on wars, you know?
00:44:17.000And they don't tax the American people for that.
00:44:21.000They know they couldn't tax us enough to pay.
00:44:24.000If they tried to raise everybody's taxes enough to come up with $10 trillion because we want to go fight regime change wars all over the Middle East, the American people would have been like, no, we're not doing that.
00:44:36.000I think they even cut some rates during those years, the top rates.
00:44:41.000And then they borrowed the rest, and they still couldn't borrow enough, so they just print the money.
00:44:45.000And then essentially what happens is that the price of everything just goes up and up and up.
00:44:49.000And you just put more money into the system, and then people start looking around and going like, geez, why is the price of housing and health care and energy and childcare are totally unaffordable.
00:45:00.000and the answer is because you're paying for the war in iraq and nobody thinks about it like that but that's really what's going on they can't so for all the young people who are coming out of college now and they're like i'm 150 grand in debt I have a gender studies major degree or whatever, you know, maybe something better than that, but they got an English degree or something, and they're working at DoorDash, and the average house is going for 600 grand, and they're like, what am I possibly going to do?
00:45:28.000It's like the reason why these kids are all demanding socialism, at least on the left, is because like, what else are you going to do?
00:45:34.000Like, how do you even, but the reason why that is the case is because your government decided to spend trillions of dollars on blowing up brown countries and in some cases then rebuilding them to blow them up again.
00:45:52.000And I feel like it's almost nobody outside of like the Ron Paul libertarians, the Austrian economics guys, almost nobody else ever makes this connection.
00:46:08.000without having a central bank that can print money for you because otherwise it just doesn't work resources are finite and you'll run out of them and so you can't do that without hav having this monetary system, but the cost of this monetary system is that prices always go up and up and up and up, and that rigs the entire economy against the working class and the middle class in favor of the rich.
00:47:13.000And that's what we're living through now.
00:47:17.000And what we'll continue to live through as long as we have a government that spends way beyond our means.
00:47:22.000Like Dr. Ron Paul used to say, when you spend beyond your means, you're destined to live beneath your means.
00:47:28.000And we have an economy that's built around doing the exact same thing it's always done always done, right?
00:47:34.000And if you think about the amount of money, just in shuddering USAID, think about the amount of money, whether you agree with USAID or not, the amount of money that was being pumped through that system, like to all sorts of weird places, right?
00:47:55.000There's the when the Department of Energy gave out 39 or 93 billion dollars in loans in the months between Biden losing or Kamala losing rather and Trump taking office.
00:48:09.000There's so many of these instances of insane amounts of money just being allocated while we're in 39 trillion dollars in debt.
00:48:17.000It's like it's so unmanageable and yet it just keeps marching on and people are upset if you try to pull a band-aid off.
00:48:25.000Like the idea of shuttering some of these government organizations, all you hear about is people are going to die, people are going to starve, this is going to happen, that's going to happen.
00:48:35.000Are you sure that this isn't a giant money sucking scam that's been going on that does some good?
00:48:40.000Yeah, well, there's that's most of it, right?
00:48:42.000Yeah, well, like number one, yeah, if you go, hey, I think, which by the way, no one in Congress, I mean, short of like Thomas Massey, maybe, maybe Rand Paul, but like no one else in Congress is even suggesting an idea so radical.
00:48:55.000But if I were to throw out the radical idea that we should go back to pre pandemic level spending.
00:49:01.000So go all the way back to the crazy year of 2019 when it was anarchy or whatever.
00:49:08.000That was just they'll all tell you the world's gonna end if we do that.
00:49:12.000And even when they're making up these absolutely ridiculous claims about how many people are gonna die if you cut government spending, which is all totally absurd.
00:49:22.000But then they never seem to go like, well, how many people are gonna die if I keep letting DC have all these war-making powers.
00:49:29.000How many people are going to die if the president is able to fund a proxy war whenever he wants to.
00:49:55.000But literally, the deal that I was talking to you about, whatever it was, three years ago when I was saying on the show that they had a deal worked out, a peace deal worked out in the first few months of the war in 22 and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on behalf of the West to make sure this war kept going.
00:50:13.000But the deal that was in pencil, not pen, that Boris Johnson killed, was essentially recognition of the annexation of Crimea.
00:50:26.000At the time, it wasn't annexation of the Donbass region.
00:50:30.000It was like independence for the Donbass region.
00:50:33.000And then the agreement that the rest of Ukraine would not join NATO.
00:50:37.000That was the deal that they had worked out.
00:50:47.000The deal right now that is the best case scenario that we're hoping we could get is that Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
00:51:01.000So we have the same deal just a little bit more in the Russians' favor three years later with hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process, just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 2022.
00:51:29.000And the thing that's really changed, the reason why like the Europeans and Zelenskyy and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now, which they don't say, but this is the truth, is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed.
00:51:47.000I mean, not like gone down by a few points.
00:51:58.000Super majorities of the Ukrainian people, 70% around, around want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on landswap.
00:52:08.000Like, let's settle it however we got to settle it.
00:52:10.000They don't, I remember for the first two years of the thing, everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be, the Ukrainian people want to fight.
00:52:20.000And who are you, Dave, to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves?
00:52:24.000And then I would respond by saying, like, yes, it's true the Ukrainian people want to fight, but like, might that have something to do with the blank check that they've received from the world and the backup of the entire world?
00:52:34.000You know, it's just, it's a different proposition to go like, do you want to fight if John Jones.
00:52:41.000is at your back and goes, I got your back, dude.
00:52:47.000I might be like, ah, let's talk about this.
00:52:51.000But now the Ukrainian people don't want to fight.
00:52:53.000And by the way, I never believed any of that because I have my own libertarian views on things.
00:52:58.000And I'm like, if you're telling me that people want to fight, like, well, why do you got to conscript an army then?
00:53:02.000You know, like if they want to fight so bad...
00:53:08.000Yeah, you could just make it a voluntary force and then we'll find out real quick who wants to fight.
00:53:12.000But the point is now that even the Ukrainians don't want to fight over this stuff anymore.
00:53:17.000So there's just no justification for it.
00:53:19.000So now they move to phase B, which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating, but putting all types of poison pills in the deal so that you know the other side won't take it.
00:53:44.000There's reports that they – So in other words, the rest of Ukraine's in NATO, which is the thing that caused the whole conflict to begin with.
00:54:11.000Article 5 is the article in NATO, in the NATO agreement, that says that, like...
00:54:21.000It doesn't exactly say you got to go to war over it, but it's like you have to help in the effort if they're attacked.
00:54:26.000So essentially, that's what they're trying to ask now, which is, but if you think about it, right, it's designed to incentivize Putin to keep the war going.
00:54:36.000Because if you're telling Vladimir Putin, let's just say., which it's not exactly clear that he would even take the deal that I just laid out before, but it was, I know that it's been reported that he was, it was being signaled that he might be open to that deal.
00:55:03.000But there's still Ukrainians controlling part of it.
00:55:05.000And then he's controlling part of these territories in the south.
00:55:08.000So this is what Trump means when he says the land swaps, meaning essentially you get out of the Donbass region, give me that, and I'll give you back, you know, the land swaps are Putin takingin taking what he wants and leaving you the rest.
00:55:19.000But if you're going to tell Vladimir Putin, who fought this entire war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being his red line, basically in the middle of the, not in the middle of, as the war is potentially wrapping up, you're going to tell him, hey, whatever territory you don't take here will be a part of NATO.
00:55:36.000Well, what does that incentivize him to do?
00:55:40.000Then why would you stop and give the rest of it up?
00:55:43.000And it does seem to me like that's, that is clearly, at least from the Europeans, that is clearly the motivation of all of this, is to present something, it's, you know, they do have their chestess war moves.
00:55:56.000And so you present something that you know the other side can't agree to.
00:55:59.000And then when they don't agree to it, you go, look, we tried to negotiate.
00:56:02.000And he just wouldn't take us up on this.
00:56:08.000You know, another problem with these conflicts and war in general is that people always want to pretend that there's one side that's good and one side that's bad.
00:56:17.000You know, and obviously Putin's the bad guy, right?
00:56:20.000Because they started the war, started killing people in Ukraine.
00:56:24.000But there's so many factors that are going on.
00:56:30.000And then there's also the long history of corruption that Ukraine has always had.
00:56:35.000And then there's also the weird deals that they were making with the Biden family to control all the different it was natural gas and there's in incredible supplies of rare earth minerals.
00:56:50.000It's like really valuable, valuable territory.
00:56:55.000You know, there's this incentive to create some sort of there was they were going to try to like I think part of the plan was like get off of Russian power and make Ukrainian power like central and then whatever they were making over there the amount of power I forget what the number was they said but it's like trillions of dollars in natural gas minerals all these different things and we're supposed to pretend that that's not
00:57:25.000also a part of the motivation like didn't even Trump say something about a deal that they were doing with Ukraine that involved yeah he got sucked into this talk about the rare earth minerals stuff and you know it's Donald Trump it's like his weakness because he you know there's a lot of great things about deals yeah there's a lot of great things about coming from a business background but then there's like the weakness of it is that he's always attracted by like hey Gaza could be beachfront property.
00:57:49.000You know, it'd be like, ooh, and you could just see him like come alive with these ideas.
00:57:55.000But then the problem is that, you know, And look, I've been very harsh on Donald Trump over the last few months, but I think he deserves it.
00:58:03.000And I think this administration is failing on so many levels, so profoundly, especially given the opportunity that they had.
00:58:09.000But, you know, I heard him the other day, he called into a Fox News show, and he was like telling the story of the war in Ukraine.
00:58:18.000And it's like, it just seems like he's telling, like, it seems like you learned this on a TV show.
00:58:28.000Like, it's like, this is, We really need someone here who's read a book about this because he kind of had an idea of what he was talking about, but then he got it completely wrong.
00:58:38.000So he goes, he's trying to tell the story and he's talking about the corruption of the Bidens in Ukraine.
00:58:42.000And you're like, okay, yes, that is true.
00:58:44.000But like there's a whole story here that I don't think you're really understanding.
00:58:48.000Because he goes, he goes, look, this goes back to 2014.
00:58:50.000And so I'm watching this and I got like so excited for a minute.
00:58:53.000Like I was like, yes, yes, it does go back to 2014.
00:59:05.000Never would have happened on my watch, but Obama gave Putin Ukraine and you're like no dude that's not just go back two months earlier in that same year the problem wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine the problem was that Obama took Ukraine away from Vladimir Putin as I've played on your show and you played with Tulsi Gabbard the director of national intelligence has sat right here where I'm sitting and watched Gideon Rose explain to Stephen Colbert exactly what we're doing here Russia as Gideon Rose the
00:59:35.000editor of Foreign Affairs magazine said Russia is Batman Ukraine is Robin we are stealing Robin away from Batman that's what the Maidan revolution was that's why the USAID and the NED poured $100 million into this street protest, right?
00:59:54.000And then a bunch of the former Ukrainian prime ministers started floating out that we should tear up the Sevastopol lease in Crimea, because this is Russia's only year-long warm water naval port.
01:00:11.000They had like a 50-year lease or something like that.
01:00:13.000But after the West backed a coup that overthrew the government and put in a pro-Western government, they started talking big, like, well, maybe we'll tear up that lease.
01:00:21.000And so Vladimir Putin went, no, I'll just take it.
01:00:25.000And that was like, so anyway, so he goes back to that, doesn't go back a few months earlier and then misses the entire point.
01:00:32.000That no, so because like the point is that it's not just like me being like, oh, I wish Donald Trump was into the same books I'm into or something like that.
01:00:38.000The point is that when you don't get that piece of the chapter, then you miss what's happening right now.
01:00:44.000So when you're talking about like these, essentially what Donald Trump was saying, the way he was trying to sell it to Zelensky was like, look, do this rare earth minerals deal with us.
01:00:53.000And this is kind of like a security guarantee.
01:00:55.000It's not exactly a security guarantee, but if we're in business with you and then Putin's trying to fuck up our business, hey, he's picking a f fight with us too.
01:01:04.000But the whole point is that that's exactly what caused this whole catastrophe.
01:01:09.000Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian elite have been crystal clear about this, that they go, look, we can tolerate a neutral Ukraine.
01:01:22.000Ukraine is neutral and then there's Russia.
01:01:24.000We cannot tolerate Ukraine being a That's a step too far.
01:01:30.000But every time we try to let him be neutral, neutral seems like it's never good enough, and that never actually works.
01:01:36.000So if you're going to come in here and say neutral is not good enough, they're going to be part of the West, then we're going to be part of the West.
01:01:40.000West, then we're going to say, actually, we'll take them as part of Russia instead.
01:01:44.000Now, he also believes, as he says all the time, which I just think is goofy and un-American, but he also believes that, like, yeah, they're not really a real country and they're kind of historically ours anyway.
01:01:53.000And, you know, he's got his own views on that.
01:01:55.000But that's not what the war was about.
01:01:57.000And everybody, you know, and when I was here, which I was very excited to do because I'm, you know, a weird romantic and have a – But what I was really excited, because me and Douglas Murray are going to debate this issue.
01:02:12.000And I remember when he first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry into NATO.
01:02:17.000And I was like, okay, well, let me just hit hit you with two points real quick.
01:02:20.000Number one, the head of the CIA, you know, during all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the net means yet memo.
01:02:29.000He literally said that this was all, what it all was about, and that Russia didn't want to do this, but they would if we kept pushing Ukraine's entry into NATO, and we did keep pushing it.
01:02:38.000And then I said the other one was Stoltenberg, who is not anymore, but was the head of NATO while this was happening.
01:02:44.000And he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a draft treaty that all you have to do is put in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO and I won't invade.
01:03:27.000Do you think the CIA totally should be abolished?
01:03:29.000Don't you think we should kind of pay attention to what the fuck is going on in the world, giving a real life perspective, not a utopian perspective, but a real life perspective.
01:03:38.000There's terrorist groups all over the world plotting shit.
01:03:43.000So what the CIA was originally conceived of, like essentially being a newspaper for the president, like being like, hey, we get all the real intelligence and we give it to you here.
01:03:54.000I 100% think there's room for intelligence gathering.
01:03:57.000But what the CIA became is a paramilitary organization that starts wars and overthrows democratically elected governments all around the world.
01:04:08.000And occasionally, when they're bored, there's and when there's and maybe like on like a Tuesday, like a three day weekend, and then on Tuesday, maybe move some crack into Los Angeles.
01:04:17.000No, that, I mean, just should, I mean, it's a disgrace to a professed free society.
01:04:23.000I mean, it's, look, like when, which we've also played on the show before, but when Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow, which is one of the most amazing moments in the history of corporate media, because what's amazing about it, if you watch the full thing, is that Rachel Maddow's asking him questions, and he's given his Chuck Schumer, you know.
01:04:45.000political answers to all of them however you feel about them it's like they have their spiel but then she breaks from script and she she preemptively apologizes to him she goes hey i', I'm sorry to just throw this on you right now.
01:04:56.000This is, it was in, I believe, January.
01:04:58.000It was either December 16 or January 17.
01:05:01.000So Donald Trump has beaten Hillary Clinton, but he's not president yet.
01:05:55.000Like the most powerful Democrat in the Senate just admitted we don't live in a democracy.
01:06:00.000Just admitted that this whole thing's an illusion.
01:06:02.000That the President of the United States is not the President of the United States.
01:06:05.000All our talk about democracy being on the ballot, democracy's been gone for a long time if it ever existed.
01:06:10.000You just straight up said that the duly elected commander-in-chief and chief executive of the United States of America ain't really the one who's in charge.
01:06:20.000Because you better not insult the CIA who work for you ostensibly.
01:06:55.000you know, the Epstein stuff and just a lot of, you know, kind of core things where like, so Donald Trump, at least according to him, they stole the election.
01:07:03.000You know, I was thinking about this the other day, because he was talking about in the same thing that I'm talking about when he called into Fox News, he was talking about the Ukraine war.
01:07:10.000He said at one point, he goes, he goes, the war never would have happened if I was president, which Putin threw him a bone and backed him up on that the other day and said the war wouldn't have happened if Trump was president.
01:09:07.000It was one of the most interesting parts of your podcast with him was like, when you asked him about that, it was like, he really didn't have anything to back it up.
01:09:15.000If that was you or if that was me, I mean, if there was some reason why I knew that they did something and I could give you all the facts, I would have that ready for anyone because I'd for four fucking years they've been telling him he's crazy for questioning the election.
01:09:31.000So after four years, I'd have a fucking tight ten minutes of the election where I could just rattle off at you and rock your world with it.
01:09:41.000Well, there's also there's a big difference between, you know, speculating and asking some questions and being like, I'm not sure I believe the official story of this.
01:09:50.000And there's a difference between then being as a president of the United States going, this is what happened.
01:09:55.000Like, this was, and if you're going to say that, then you gotta give me your theory.
01:10:03.000But I will say, they kind of pivoted off the Epstein thing into Russiagate, which seemed to be, you know, like designed that there was this tremendous desire.
01:10:15.000The whole reason Donald Trump's political existence is a thing is that people are furious about the swamp.
01:10:22.000They're furious about how corrupt our government is and the profound crimes that the government has committed against the American people.
01:11:47.000I mean, like I think treason, I think John Brennan did commit treason when he armed Al Qaeda in Syria and Obama as well with the rest of Obama and John Kerry and Brennan.
01:11:59.000Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war.
01:12:03.000What Obama and Comey and Clapper did to Donald Trump is they framed him for treason.
01:12:11.000So what do you call that exactly, framing the sitting U.S. president?
01:12:15.000Now, I guess Obama can't be guilty of the current, the sitting U.S. president, but he was guilty of the candidate and the president elect, because he was out of there by the time Trump comes in.
01:12:26.000But what Tulsi Gabbard released that I thought was very interesting, which I had never seen before, and we did, I don't remember was last year or the year before, but there was one episode that me and you talked a lot about Russia Gate and got like pretty deep into it.
01:12:37.000But what Tulsi released, which which I've never seen before, was that there was a consensus amongst the intelligence agencies after the 2016 election.
01:12:47.000So this is Hillary Clinton's lost, but Barack Obama's still president and Donald Trump is the president elect.
01:12:52.000And they had consensus that there was no meaningful interference.
01:14:12.000Well, it's not, look, I think, we'll see what comes of this, you know, which again, I'm not betting on anything coming of this, Look, there's a lot of things that happen after that.
01:14:26.000The real, to me, the true outrage of Russia Gate is that they didn't stop after he won the presidency.
01:14:33.000It's still pretty outrageous to try to frame a candidate.
01:14:35.000It's still pretty outrageous for Hillary Clinton to have like opposition research and use an actual, you know, Russian spy and a British spy to do it.
01:15:01.000Comey is still there for at least a few months.
01:15:05.000And then you have like Andrew McCabe and people like that who on a 60 Minutes interview and anybody can go look at it.
01:15:14.000He literally said that they debated at the at the Justice Department.
01:15:21.000And this is the highest levels of the Justice Department.
01:15:23.000It was I mean, Jeff Sessions would have been the attorney general at the time, and he may have recused himself already by that time.
01:15:29.000So maybe not him, but then everybody else like the top two, three guys at the Justice Department all sat down and debated what to do.
01:15:36.000And they they said they they decided we're going to invoke the 25th Amendment to.
01:15:55.000It's designed for, we still didn't use it, even over these last few years, which is crazy.
01:16:00.000You know, even after the debate, they go, we need a new candidate, but no one went, yeah, but this guy can't be Commander-in-Chief for the next six months.
01:16:30.000It's to this day a miracle that they didn't.
01:16:33.000I can't believe they didn't find any other dirt on Donald Trump.
01:16:36.000I always thought when Mueller started being the special prosecutor, I literally, and you can listen to my podcast on record.
01:16:41.000If you want to go, part of the problem, available where podcasts are sold, you can listen back to, I said at the time, I go, they're not going to find anything on Russia Gate because there's nothing there.
01:17:00.000They locked up, you know, they charged a bunch of his people around him with tax crimes and other things that had nothing to do with Russia Gate.
01:17:08.000Then they tried to put pressure on them to flip on him.
01:17:14.000And so anyway, but the point is that it was the deep state attempting to remove the sitting president of the United States of America off of something that they knew was bullshit.
01:17:25.000You know, you had people, Eric Swalwell was out on cable news saying, not only an asset, saying Donald Trump is a Russian agent.
01:18:00.000And they're still, and they're the same ones up there going, we have to arm Ukraine till the end, we have to give Israel more bombs to drop on the Palestinians.
01:18:24.000Yeah, I think they, you know, I don't know exactly what they're doing, but they I saw it was announced the other day that they're changing it from MSNBC to MS Now.
01:19:57.000So there's a strong argument that that's worse than other things.
01:20:01.000But there is something about, look, first of all, there is something about framing the sitting U.S. president that truly is a crime against the republic in a profound sense.
01:20:12.000But the other thing about Russia Gate, which I think makes it, you know, where you could maybe enter into the debate, and then COVID., you know, you can argue with all these things.
01:20:24.000Really destroyed a lot of people's lives.
01:20:26.000But part of the reason why they framed Donald Trump.
01:20:29.000So in 2016, Donald Trump was explicitly running on, he talked about this at like all the debates, and in the beautiful kind of childlike, trumpian way, where he just has no filter.
01:20:40.000So he just says the thing that's in his mind.
01:20:42.000And then he often thinks he's like a genius because no one else has said this out loud.
01:20:46.000But it's not that they haven't thought of it.
01:21:05.000Because Obama and Brennan had been siding with the terrorists.
01:21:08.000They had been funding Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria to try to overthrow Bashar al-Assad because that was part of the clean break strategy to the seven countries in five years.
01:21:15.000This was the next guy they were trying to overthrow.
01:21:17.000They ended up getting that regime change earlier this year.
01:21:37.000And he was running on, we should be friends with Russia.
01:21:40.000And this drove all of the Republicans crazy.
01:21:43.000I mean, we should be friends with Russia, but that was just what he was running on.
01:21:46.000And so part of the deal of framing him for being in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin was that he couldn't be friends with Russia anymore.
01:21:55.000And so, you know, because if Donald Trump had come in in 2017 or 2018 and announced some new treaty with Vladimir Putin or some partnership or something like that, the entire media would have been like, see, that's proof.
01:22:07.000We've been telling you he's in with Vladimir Putin.
01:22:10.000When he just he went to Helsinki, I think aside from this week, I think that was the last time the two of them were were face to face was in Finland in 2017.
01:22:20.000I could be wrong about that, but I think that was the last time the two of them were together.
01:22:23.000And there was this big thing, I don't know if you remember this, but it was a big deal at the time, was that Donald Trump said they asked him, well, you know, they were like, Hey, your intelligence agencies are saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in the election.
01:23:42.000So, you know, I mean, look, it still changes the moral calculation a little bit when someone puts on a uniform and is holding a gun.
01:23:48.000It's a little bit different than a kid or something like that.
01:23:51.000But, you know, the the crime of of killing the potential for a president to make peace with Putin.
01:23:59.000I mean, this is you know, this is the thing that's so like infuriating about all of it and something that really, you know, it's like, well, you know, I'm told like I'm not an expert.
01:24:11.000It's like, leave this to the serious experts here.
01:24:13.000But the thing that's so, goddamn, frustrating and just, like, profoundly reckless is that, look, like when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and you could go back before that, but like, let's just take that as a point to start, like, it should have been obvious to any, like, if there really was this class of experts, I would be so happy to turn this over to them.
01:24:36.000Let me go tell jokes at the mothership.
01:24:38.000That's what I'm supposed to do, not this, like, fine.
01:24:40.000But the thing is, if there were serious, rational adults who had wisdom way beyond what some shit-talking comedian knows about, which there should be, then they would have recognized that, like, the most important priority in the history of the world is the relationship between DC and Moscow.
01:24:58.000There's never been anything more important than that.
01:24:59.000And that doesn't even matter whether you're a Russian or an American.
01:25:02.000You could, like, it doesn't matter if you live in Brazil or wherever, that the most important thing in the history of the world is these two capitals that have, like, 90% of the world's nuclear weapons between the two of them get along.
01:25:14.000Okay, you know, like, this is the most important thing.
01:25:17.000This could end our species if they don't.
01:25:21.000And that seemed to have been the priority of almost no one in power.
01:25:27.000A few exceptions to that, but almost nobody went like so again my point is poisoning the relationship between a president who wants peace with russia is on the level of launching a war in iraq i mean it's like it's that bad of a thing to do yeah and hopefully it doesn't get to that point but it is a profoundly reckless thing to do yeah it's up there yeah it's um it's just it's so
01:25:55.000tangled that at this one of the things about politics I think for most people that's so frustrating is because you don't see a way out you don't see like oh if we just do this that and this you know and people say things like oh we just need to take money out of politics
01:26:13.000yeah I can do that well I think that's crazy I just make all people honest yeah yeah yeah right well there's also there's easier you know that's a that's like a it's a it's a talking point I don't even mean to downplay that like I'm not it's a it's no it's correct it's a nice idea I think the issue like this is what I've always seen like the issue with the kind of take money out of politics angle and why I think the better approach is to
01:26:43.000take politics out of money like I think I think, and I'm not saying either is easy to do, but the issue that you have, and I know that there's a lot of like people I really love really say that all the time and go like, you got to take money out of politics.
01:26:57.000I would certainly support like if there was I think Rand Paul had a proposal a few years ago where it was like if you make any money from a government contract, you should not be allowed to work in that sector for 20 years after you made there.
01:27:14.000So like there's something like you shouldn't be able to be a defense contractor.
01:27:26.000But like that's but the issue really comes like the main the major problem is that Washington.
01:27:34.000DC is the most powerful you know organization in the history of the world that they they spend seven trillion dollars a year and this is that is so much power like it's just it's hard to quantify it's it's literally like like if you you think about it in your mind right like you think about like how much money Elon Musk has And then just to think that one year of federal spending is like squoshing him like an ant.
01:28:01.000Like the money Elon Musk has is nothing compared to $7 trillion, you know?
01:28:06.000That's just one year, what they spend in Washington, D.C. And when you have that much concentrated power, the idea of saying, well, we're going to write a rule that says nobody's allowed to try to manipulate that power.
01:29:07.000So the point is that you can't, the only thing, like, it's not, the lesson of the Lord of the Rings wasn't like, we really need some common sense regulations about how you use this ring, right?
01:29:20.000Like the lesson is that you have to destroy this thing.
01:29:26.000I don't know who our Frodo is, but the point is that this power has.
01:29:32.000So this is fundamentally, I think, why I think the Ron Paul libertarians have it right, and while I really do respect some other left wingers, I think they have it wrong when they go, no, we need the government to be working for us rather than working for them.
01:29:47.000It's unrealistic enough that we'll just be able to cut, but the answer is that there should be way less power in Washington, DC.
01:29:54.000And that's, that's the whole, that's George Washington's constitutional republic that we're supposed to be living under is The idea is that there's like, oh, Washington DC has very little power, the states have a lot of power, the people have a lot of power.
01:30:05.000It's not all concentrated in one capital, because then you get what we have.
01:30:10.000Yeah, and once it's fully secured, like it is now, and just deeply ingrained, like the tentacles of this octopus go so deep.
01:30:22.000There's so much money involved, and there's so many people that are in a position of power.
01:32:40.000There's most libertarians are communists compared to me.
01:32:44.000Like I believe in less whatever government you believe in, I believe in less than that.
01:32:48.000So I do not agree with Mom Dani's, you know, any of his economic policies.
01:32:53.000There is something though that you just can't deny where it's like, okay, look, first of all, you got this young guy who's kind of the anti-establishment candidate.
01:33:09.000He's a newcomer to being a citizen of the country, however you feel about that, he was his campaign was laser focused on one issue, which was the unaffordability of New York City, which if anybody at all is familiar with New York City, that is the issue of New York City.
01:33:25.000It's the issue for 99% of the people who live in New York City.
01:33:28.000The top one percent in New York City are doing great, but everybody else is just struggling to get by.
01:33:35.000You know, you're either rich or you're struggling in New York City.
01:33:38.000And the prices have gone up dramatically in the last few years.
01:33:40.000So he just ran his whole campaign laser focused on that.
01:33:43.000Then the establishment comes in and they run Andrew Cuomo, the disgraced former governor who murdered old people in nursing homes who got, you know, had a Me Too thing, which I don't know how legit that was, but got driven out in disgrace.
01:34:00.000Governor lockdown representing the failure that just wrecked this city.
01:34:05.000And then what did they try to hit him on?
01:34:19.000know it's like um it's literally like if you were um if you were fighting like islam makhachev or something like that and you went i'm gonna attack his wrestling that's where i think he's weak and you're like wait what no like that's his strength what do you mean is they thought this they'd go they and they bring it up and go through all the candidates they go.
01:34:39.000He hasn't even pledged to go visit Israel.
01:34:42.000Well, they were all saying that was the first thing that they would do once they became mayor is go to Israel.
01:34:58.000Well, you know, they actually thought that pointing out that this guy, which by the way, the mayor of New York City has nothing to do with foreign policy anyway, but they thought that pointing out.
01:35:09.000to everybody that this guy doesn't carry the baggage of supporting the war party, but we all support the war party was going to win over liberal New Yorkers?
01:35:20.000Like, how out of touch do you have to be?
01:35:22.000And then, and this is, Jude, I got to say, just something that's so fascinating about the whole broader Israel-Palestine debate discussion is that he goes at one point, you know, he said that he's like a one-state.
01:35:33.000And for people who follow this stuff, you know, there's some people believe in a two-state solution, some believe in a one-state solution, some believe in the status quo, which is just like apartheid forever or whatever.
01:35:41.000But he goes, I believe, he goes, I think Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for everyone.
01:35:48.000You know, like everybody gets equal rights.
01:35:50.000And they tried to make that out to be like an evil statement, which was just, was so hilarious to me that they just, there's one guy goes, I believe in equal rights for all.
01:36:41.000Like a young person who's a really good speaker, who's popular, who has ideas that, look, if you're living in New York City and you're struggling and someone comes along and says the problem that you're having is rich people are making too much money and we're going to redistribute that down to people, that sounds really attractive.
01:36:58.000And there's a lot more of them than there are of the rich folks, and they'll vote them in.
01:37:46.000It's going to be this all-consuming thing.
01:37:50.000And then their solution that everybody talks about is some sort of payment plan for everyone, some universal basic income payment plan where everybody gets paid.
01:38:03.000But when you're completely reliant on the state to pay for you and you just live, you just exist and you don't need to work anymore because AI's taken up all the jobs and now you don't have any purpose, you have to go find a purpose.
01:38:18.000Well, some people are going to find a purpose.
01:38:19.000There's a lot of people that just have that go get em instinct and they're going to be fine.
01:38:23.000There's a small percentage of people that are just going to plow ahead, regardless of even if the government gives you 50, 60,000 dollars a year and you live fine and you don't have to sweat bills.
01:38:32.000There's going to be a bunch of people that just get into drugs and their life falls apart and they have no sense of purpose.
01:38:41.000They have nothing to do and you're going to have to like refigure out how to structure society.
01:38:47.000That's what these kids are going through.
01:38:48.000They're going through this weird feeling that everything is about to fall apart right in front of their face while we run face first for that clue.
01:38:57.000We're running right to the edge of that cliff.
01:38:59.000Full clip saying we got to go over the cliff.
01:39:01.000And it's a lot of, well, it's a lot of these things all happening at once too.
01:39:17.000The list of the age, like there's a graph that got put out of the median age for people that watch cable news versus podcasts, all these other different things.
01:40:40.000It's the 70 and over crowd is who they still got.
01:40:43.000But what I would be interested in seeing is like, what percentage of people that are 34 are listening to cable news is there a number on that Three of them are three of them cost money and three don't also that's interesting.
01:41:08.000But everybody, you have to pay for cable if you want it.
01:41:10.000And most kids don't have cable anymore.
01:41:12.000Most kids just get a Netflix account or a Paramount account and you get all the great shows, Disney plus, you get all the superhero movies.
01:41:21.000Most people don't, you know, young kids, if you're if you have to budget and you have to choice between, you know, a bunch of channels that just have things running on them all the time or you pick what you watch anytime you want to just like i need the internet just give me the internet on their tv they want netflix they don't want this cable news nonsense where i have to listen to someone at 8 p.m and then every five minutes there's a fucking commercial you have to be like brought into that world and accustomed to it yes you try to try
01:41:51.000to show a kid a commercial today and they're like what the yeah and and even just the whole the whole fake thing oh The whole just fake thing about their presentation and all of this, it just doesn't work if you didn't transition from like Walter Cronkite into that, that's not going to work for you anymore.
01:42:11.000But I do think, so this is like a, it's, it's, you know, I was just looking at this the other day though, where it's like, which is really, you know, even to me is kind of something I would not have been able to even fathom or predict a couple years ago, but the way in which every demographic has turned against Israel.
01:42:31.000uh over this shit in gaza it except essentially boomer republicans who are still as strong as they've ever been in supporting them but every you know israel is it's it's really in many ways like the third rail of american like this is the thing you are not allowed to talk about this is the thing that would get you fired from CNN, would get you kicked out of DC, would get your career ruined.
01:42:53.000You know, Pat Buchanan made a joke once on the McLaughlin group, like years ago, like decades ago.
01:42:59.000He made a joke once where he said something about, he said Congress is Israel-occupied territory or something like that.
01:43:06.000And he, for the rest of his career, this was the scandal.
01:43:09.000this was hit pieces were written about this.
01:43:12.000Now, the guy, And they're just hearing from different people.
01:43:19.000And they're like, no, I'm not buying it.
01:43:22.000And it's, you know, I think it's a mix of a few things.
01:43:25.000Like, I think it's just that we have the technology.
01:43:30.000You can see what Israel's doing to Gaza.
01:43:32.000It is so evil that it's damn near impossible to find a way.
01:43:37.000I mean, some people do, but it is really difficult to find a way to be like, I'm actually okay with that.
01:43:42.000It's been going on for years at this point.
01:43:46.000And then the second thing is just that the relationship between the U.S. government and the Israeli government is so freaking bizarre that once you see it, and once a whole generation of young people see it, it's like impossible for them to unsee it.
01:44:04.000Yeah, like, it's just, and the idea that it is, you know.
01:44:08.000You know, the idea that it's just accepted as normal that the politicians for your country must worship this other country, and you're like, so what did that other country like beat us in a war and they're occupying us now?
01:44:23.000And you're like, no, no, you're the superpower.
01:44:26.000They're your welfare country, you know?
01:44:30.000You must say, Tammy Bruce from the State Department.
01:44:33.000Literally just, and I know she was kind of being tongue and cheek, but where she goes, we're the greatest country in the world, well, second greatest to Israel.
01:46:30.000Israeli government official charged with soliciting a minor believed he was meeting a 15-year-old girl for sexual contact, according to police.
01:46:38.000Brought a condom to the planned rendezvous in Las Vegas.
01:46:43.000Alexandrovich, division head of the Israel National Cyber Directorate, was arrested in a police sting operation aimed at online users seeking to sexually prey on children.
01:46:55.000The Las Vegas outlet, 8 News Now, reported that Alexandrovich chatted with an officer posing as a teenager online before being arrested.
01:47:03.000Sexual contact included bringing a condom and taking the decoy to Cirque du Soleil, which stages elaborate shows along the Las Vegas trips, said police documents seen by 8 News Now.
01:47:15.000Details of the arrest came as State Department denied the U.S. government played any role in releasing the Israeli official after Alexandrovich was able to return to Israel once he had bonded out of jail in connection with the felony charge.
01:47:32.000So that's kind of crazy that you just Well, I heard so I heard some people claiming, and I'm not sure what's right about this, but there were people who were arguing that like the website or the app or whatever that he was on is eighteen and up.
01:47:46.000And so they were saying like, no, he thought he was meeting an adult or something like that.
01:49:32.000It's not a deep fake, but it's kind of like a deep fake.
01:49:35.000See, they're showing you a real video of Joe Biden being senile, but see, that's just as fake as a deep fake because they didn't include the context or something like that.
01:49:44.000That was the talking point that right before we go into the debate.
01:49:47.000The debate cuts it goes back to the same panel and they go, we got to find a new candidate.
01:49:51.000Like they acknowledge that and part of the reason.
01:49:55.000why we all knew it was over in that debate was it wasn't just how bad the debate was.
01:50:00.000It was that now you have to admit this.
01:50:04.000You know, you were pretending this thing didn't exist.
01:51:49.000This is all, and it's impossible not to look at this and go, like, hey, what's going on here?
01:51:54.000And they don't have any answer for that.
01:51:56.000And, you know, the other thing too is that it's just, I don't know if you've noticed this, but there's like, there's a lot of people now trying to jump off of the sinking ship.
01:52:05.000You know, a lot of people who are even like supporters of Israel, who are kind of going, like, I think they are going a little too far on this one.
01:52:11.000And they're trying because it's just, you see, you can see the writing on the wall all over the place, man.
01:52:17.000Like, you're going to be, you're going to be looked at.
01:52:24.000Like, you're just supporting this destruction of these they just launched another offensive on Gaza City the other day they're bombing rubble like it's just un it's it's biblical levels of evil and you know we're sitting here like even as we're having this conversation now I don't like I know like a few I remember like coming on the podcast like a you know a couple years ago you know like when this conflict first started and then when it would go and it was almost like I was coming on like like to be like,
01:52:53.000look, let me present the argument for why we shouldn't support what Israel's doing here.
01:52:56.000And let me like try to like present the other side of the debate.
01:53:28.000They said this was plausibly a genocide.
01:53:30.000And the thing's gone on the entire time since then.
01:53:33.000There was a huge Heretz piece a couple months ago about, you know, because we've seen so many examples of this, but they had IDF soldiers off the record and one, at least one on the record, saying that they were given orders to fire live rounds into the crowds of desperate people trying to get food who have literally been used to having starvation throughout Gaza.
01:54:36.000That like, yes, he starved to death, but it was also, you know, with these other complications, this was the big one where the New York Times had that big picture of the starving baby.
01:54:44.000And then they made a big thing out of being like, no, but he had other medical, you know, problems too.
01:54:49.000And then the mother had said, well, they said, the mother said that the doctors told her that the reason they had other medical problems is because she was malnourished during pregnancy.
01:54:58.000You know, it's like, okay, so that's, so yes, you're, you are right, Israel defended.
01:55:03.000The kids starving to death are the ones who have other complications.
01:55:08.000That's always who dies first in famines.
01:55:10.000I don't know what, like, victory you think this is.
01:55:13.000But so since this point, since the International Court of Justice ruled it was plausibly a genocide, the 21 months up to today, since then, I know...
01:55:30.000Now, they didn't call it a genocide, but they called it war crimes.
01:55:33.000So that's where your debate is at this point.
01:55:36.000Where are we between genocide and war crimes?
01:55:42.000But how the fuck do you defend any of that, dude?
01:55:44.000I don't know if this is true, so I want to look it up before we commit to this.
01:55:49.000But someone sent me something saying that Grok was pulled from Twitter, from X, whatever, because Grok had said that Israel was committing a genocide.
01:56:03.000So someone asked Grok whether Israel was committing a genocide, allegedly, and Grok...
01:56:09.000I want to find out if this is true because I saw this article and I was running out of the house.
01:56:46.000And then if you look at the sheer numbers of people that have died, which we don't even really have an accurate count of, what is the number?
01:57:03.000Brock account briefly suspended on X. Okay, what does it say here?
01:57:09.000The reason for Grock's brief suspension on X was August 11, 2025 remains unclear as no official statement from X or XAI has been provided, the bot said when asked why its account was removed.
01:57:21.000However, Grock itself claimed in now deleted posts that the suspicion was due to comments it made accusing Israel and the US of committing genocide in Gaza, citing sources like ICJ, International Council of Justice rulings, UN reports, Amnesty International, and I don't know how.
01:59:48.000Term genocide is defined 1948 UN Convention, the prevention and punishment of the crimes of genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or part a national ethical, racial or religious group.
02:00:03.000These acts include killing members of the group.
02:00:04.000Okay, the ongoing conflict in Gaza stems from I get it.
02:00:13.000Okay, allegations of genocide, prohibited acts and tents.
02:00:18.000So it's giving you a very nuanced response.
02:00:22.000International Court of Justice, in response to South Africa's case filed in December 2023, ruled in January 2024 that genocide claims are plausible and issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent genocidal acts.
02:00:45.000Israel's government calls accusations baseless and outrageous, emphasizing compliance with international law and investigations into misconduct.
02:00:53.000The U.S. has described claims as unfounded.
02:00:57.000Analyses like the BESA Center report July 2025 and ACJ 2025 July argue no evidence of starvation, massacres, or disproportionate strikes and criticize data manipulation by Hamas.
02:01:15.000Urban warfare against embodied insurgency complicates operations.
02:01:19.000Accusations ignore Hamas' role in aid diversion and civilian endangerment.
02:01:25.000Some scholars note that while harm is severe, competing motives like counterterrorism preclude genocide findings.
02:01:33.000The issue remains highly contested and politically charged, while human rights bodies and ICJ have found plausibility in genocide claims warranting preventive measures.
02:01:43.000No international court has issued a final guilty verdict, and determinations hinge on ongoing investigations.
02:02:11.000Which I, you know, like I don't have a problem with that.
02:02:13.000I don't have a problem with that at all.
02:02:14.000I mean, that's what I would like it to do, especially if there's debate.
02:02:17.000Well, also, I mean, I think one of the, you know, the real problems, and this is why I kind of like avoided using the term genocide too much, at least in the beginning, is that there's no good definition for genocide.
02:02:30.000You know, like that definition they gave you at the beginning is the official.
02:02:33.000codified under international law definition.
02:02:35.000It's attempting to destroy a group in whole or in part.
02:02:38.000Well, like, what the hell does that mean?
02:02:40.000You know, and that's why they could say, you know, Hamas committed a genocide on October 7th.
02:02:45.000You know, it's like, I don't know, they destroyed a group in part.
02:02:48.000And the whole South African case that they brought to the ICJ was basically the whole case was just the Israelis in their own words.
02:02:57.000Like their argument was that there's a genocidal intent here.
02:03:00.000Like when Benjamin Netanyahu's talking to a group of military and calling them Amalek, well, like what, you know, the story of Amalek from the Bible is that the moral of the story was you have to kill all the women and children.
02:03:11.000I think you even had to kill the ox or something like that.
02:03:14.000I'm not an expert in the Bible, but it was like that was the point.
02:03:17.000It was like an ancient tribe that was beefing with the Israelites.
02:03:20.000And they were like, yo, the moral was you have to kill all the women and children too.
02:03:24.000That's a crazy thing to say at the beginning of a war.
02:03:28.000But the thing is that whether you consider what Israel is doing a genocide or you just take the moderate position of former Israeli prime ministers who say it's war crimes, I think the bigger point is just like, it is so horrifically evil.
02:05:33.000Anybody believe that Hamas was about to mount an attack on the United States of America, they were going to take over if it wasn't for Israel sticking up for us and just destroying the entire Strip?
02:05:45.000It's like, you'll still, to this day, I'll be in like a debate or like a panel or something like that.
02:05:51.000And someone will still start with the question, like, do you think Israel has the right to exist?
02:05:56.000And isn't it amazing that over the last two years, That's been the question that's asked so much when very clearly a more relevant question would have been, does Gaza have a right to exist?
02:07:16.000You know, like what happens if if the, you know, Israel has publicly said and Netanyahu talked about it on the podcast that they're losing the PR or what do you call?
02:07:42.000How much further can you go with this before everybody disagrees?
02:07:46.000Yeah, well also part of the reason why, you know, it's like, because, I don't know, people have just, you don't have the controlled propaganda apparatus anymore.
02:07:54.000And so the thing is now for the people, like obviously there are still a lot of people who just don't really pay attention, you know, that deeply.
02:08:01.000But for somebody who's listening, let's say, to Netanyahu's interview with Constantin, I'd have to say like a large portion of them at this point, you're listening to podcasts about politics, right?
02:08:15.000Like you're not completely removed from this world.
02:08:17.000There have been so many Israel-Palestine debates over the last two years.
02:08:22.000It's almost everyone who's watching this has at least seen what some competent person on the other side of this issue has had to say.
02:08:40.000The two of them, I thought they did all right.
02:08:42.000I thought they were a little, you know, there were times they could have asked some follow-up questions, particularly the one that I thought they let him off the hook with was when they asked him about his support for Hamas and they just totally let him go like, oh, well, you know, we needed to make sure the people weren't suffering too bad and let some aid in.
02:09:10.000I was saying, hey, you know, Coleman Hughes got this all wrong when he was on your podcast.
02:09:13.000And Coleman Hughes had basically said, there's one quote that's attributed to Netanyahu, but like it wasn't on video or anything like that.
02:09:19.000And I was like, no, no, no, dude, this case is much bigger than one quote that was attributed to him.
02:09:24.000By the way, since then, a video came out of him saying it on video.
02:09:29.000There's actually a video now of that quote.
02:09:33.000Well, the quote that they had the video of was that we can control the height of the flame.
02:09:38.000So he was basically saying like, we can commit.
02:09:41.000The quote that originally he said, which was in a closed-door Knesset meeting with Likud party members, where there were like three people who were eyewitnesses who came and told him, it was originally reported in the Jerusalem Post, was that he was like, look, anybody who wants to thwart the existence of a Palestinian state has to support our plan of propping up Hamas and transferring money to them because this is what gives us a no one to negotiate with certificate.
02:10:09.000And then he said, we can control the height of the flame, meaning like, I know what you're thinking.
02:10:14.000I'm funding these terrorists right on our southern border, but like, don't worry about it.
02:10:18.000We can control, you know, the height of the flame.
02:10:20.000And then he found out he couldn't on October 7.
02:10:23.000But any, but so they let him off the hook with that.
02:10:26.000And people have just kind of heard this laid out.
02:10:27.000I mean, it's not like I just say this on podcasts.
02:10:30.000There's been major pieces written in the New York Times, in the Times of Israel, in Haretz, in the Jerusalem Post, in the Washington Post.
02:10:41.000And he just goes, no, no, we were just trying to get some funding in there for the people.
02:10:45.000Like at this point, anyone believes that Benjamin Netanyahu was motivated by helping the poor people of Gaza rather than by thwarting a Palestinian state.
02:10:56.000Because I do know that they asked him about the failure of intelligence on October 7.
02:11:03.000What was his response to the failure of just how long it took them to react to it yeah i remember that i i don't remember exactly what he said but i remember thinking there was not much of substance to it he kind of just danced around it you know and and they also didn't get into specifically like you know at first they started asking him questions about like what was it like for you on that day but they didn't get into questions about like why was the response time so long?
02:11:36.000And then he, you know, said, which, I mean, just think about how unimpressive this is, is that he basically just went, oh, there should be a full investigation.
02:11:44.000You know, there should be a full investigation onto that from the.
02:12:32.000And thank God for just like, oh, by the way, the protests were led, or I don't know, like led, but the featured acts at the protest were the families of hostages and surviving hostages.
02:12:47.000They're the ones leading the charge, being like, stop doing this.
02:12:50.000Because like, if you think about it, I mean, could you imagine, you know, if you try to put yourself in the place of like having someone you really love as a hostage, like Hamas has taken them hostage and they're trapped in one of these tunnels, and then you hear the plan.
02:13:16.000Like, it's like, obviously, if your main goal was hostage retrieval, this is not at all the way you would go about doing that.
02:13:24.000And, you know, it's like, this was a point, by the way, that Daryl Cooper was making on Tucker Carlson's podcast, which got him in a whole lot of trouble and got him a whole lot of pushback on.
02:13:36.000But I think the essence of his point was about starvation blockade.
02:13:41.000And then, like, saying, like, you put a starvation blockade on Nazi Germany or something like that.
02:13:46.000You go, okay, because the Nazis are your enemies and they're real bad guys.
02:14:22.000And look, they were using, which was a horrible picture, but they had the image of one of those.
02:14:28.000There was like some pictures that had come out of one of the remaining hostages there who did look like, you know, in bad shape, looked like close to starvation.
02:14:38.000You know, and then the Israel supporters were using this as like their propaganda, like, look how horrible Hamas is.
02:14:44.000You know, like, yeah, but this did come after three months of...
02:14:48.000zero food being allowed into gaza and so like i don't know to me it seems like it probably doesn't take a genius to go like um you know Hamas is going to be fed.
02:14:59.000They're not going to suffer from these hunger strikes.
02:15:02.000And in fact, a lot of the pro-Israel people were, and the Israeli government themselves, they were making claims, a lot of them unsubstantiated, but making claims that Hamas is stealing all of the food we let aid in previously but Hamas stole it all then they mark it up and charge more money for it to the people of Gaza and you're like okay but then what does a food blockade do I mean you already said it's not taking food away from Hamas right so who's the war against it's the civilian population and
02:15:32.000of course you'd imagine like just like under Nazi Germany you'd imagine Jews and Gypsies and other they're gonna get the worst treatment in a totally centralized war economy.
02:15:43.000The state is gonna decide who eats and who doesn't eat.
02:16:20.000but then Netanyahu said much more recently, just, uh, the other was a week or two ago said that Israel is going to take over the Gaza strip.
02:16:27.000Um, which that sounds much more likely to me, you know, I think, so I think this is the, the weird dynamic kind of here is that I think it's not, they're not like so stupid that I, Like they know that they've lost control of the media.
02:16:47.000They know they've lost control of the narrative.
02:16:49.000And they know that they've lost control of the youth in America.
02:16:52.000And that at some point, you know, those.
02:16:55.00070-year-olds watching cable news are going to age out and die, and the people in charge are going to be this generation that has a totally different view of Israel than previous generations.
02:17:06.000But then the question becomes like, what do you do with that information?
02:17:10.000And so I think that there is a part of Netanyahu and the Israeli war cabinet, the Israeli government who are looking at this and going, all right.
02:18:27.000And in fact, I think there was just a few days ago, like, a couple, like, Israeli spokesmen who were already signaling, like, we may have to go, you know, see about this again.
02:18:36.000Netanyahu himself said when him and Trump met in the White House, and was a really fascinating moment, which, you know, I'm not trying to make too much of, but it was pretty hilarious in a way, like a little microcosm, where they asked Donald Trump at one point, they go, so is.
02:19:08.000I know Jeffrey Sachs, who I love, who is a real expert, not like me or Douglas Murray, but a real expert, who's, you know, I don't agree with him on everything, but his foreign policy is very good.
02:19:18.000But he said, and I think he was saying it kind of tongue in cheek, but he said, I regard Netanyahu as the worst US president of my lifetime, which is a funny, a very a very funny line.
02:19:29.000Well, how long has he been running Israel?
02:19:31.000Well, he he came he was prime minister first in 1996 and then he's had a few stints where he was out but he's been in and out so they have a completely different setup obviously yeah yeah you can keep coming back yeah and so he was but he's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history at this point and but I will say that there are people you know I know people go down you know rabbit holes on Twitter and stuff like that and I don't I do think Jeffrey Sachs is well I think he was being somewhat tongue and
02:20:01.000cheek when he said it but I do think he's overstating his hand it's not that Israel runs America if Netanyahu ran America, I can promise you we would have had a regime change war in Iran.
02:20:13.000We would not have stopped where Donald Trump stopped if Netanyahu was actually in control of the U.S. military instead of just having significant influence over it.
02:20:22.000So like I do think there's, I mean, I've just read enough about Netanyahu, the Lakudniks, the neocons, this is the regime change war that they've wanted.
02:20:34.000And if you actually even look at the war itself, it was like, They, when Trump, it was before and after Trump dropped the bunker busters on their nuclear sites, Israel just started bombing regime targets.
02:20:48.000They weren't just bombing their nuclear sites.
02:20:49.000They were trying to overthrow the regime.
02:20:51.000And in fact, they made calls to these Iranian generals and threatened their families and basically said, we're going to kill your families unless you guys flee right now.
02:21:02.000And then once that didn't work, they were kind of like, and then Iran gave Trump an out.
02:21:09.000You know, they responded with this nonsense, you know, the same thing they did after Trump killed Soleimani, where they fire these rockets, they give us advance warning, they make sure we move everyone out of the way, because they know they don't want to kill an an American there because then it's full scale war.
02:21:28.000But, like, if they hadn't, it's so funny because, like, we put all this in the Mullah's hands.
02:21:34.000And if they had just decided, which every military analyst concludes they can touch Americans in the region, they didn't.
02:21:41.000Had they, this would have been the, and I think that was the goal.
02:21:44.000I think that was Netanyahu's goal of it, was to provoke that response that would have led to a regime change war.
02:21:51.000And Trump, to his credit, his instinct is to deescalate these things when he can, but also to Trump's, you know, fault, never should have gotten into the thing to begin with.
02:22:03.000It was all the whole Iranian nuclear threat is as much bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear threat.
02:22:08.000I mean, yeah, it is true that they have a civilian nuclear program that Iraq didn't have.
02:22:13.000And it is, I know I saw when Mike Baker was on, who I love, I love Mike Baker, but I think he's wrong about all this stuff.
02:22:20.000But when he was, when you, even you had said to him at one point, where you were like, yeah, but like, you know, the counterargument to that is that this is like a latent nuclear deterrent.
02:22:28.000is the idea, not that they're developing a nuclear weapon.
02:22:31.000And Mike was basically like, yeah, but they're up to 60%, you know?
02:22:49.000And why did they then enter negotiations with the United States of America about the level to which they were enriching uranium?
02:22:56.000Because it's that, it's a latent nuclear deterrent, it's a bargaining chip.
02:23:00.000They were down at like 3-5% or something under the JCPOA until Trump tore it up, until Trump backed out of it, and then under the rules of the JCPOA, because they're still in it with Europe, and we'll see where that goes now, but they were allowed to up the enrichment once America pulled out.
02:23:17.000And so they exerercise that option in the agreement.
02:23:21.000And the idea that they were, look, there was the annual threat assessment had come out just a few months before the war.
02:23:30.000And Tulsi Gabbard signed her name at the bottom of it and then testified before Congress.
02:24:00.000Have you ever seen the, I'm sure you have, the compilation of Netanyahu over the years, saying how close Iran is to getting a nuclear weapon?
02:24:08.000Have you seen, there's other compilations of him, too, where he's just guaranteeing, like all his guarantees.
02:24:14.000Like there's one of him in, like, I think it's the year before I was born, if I'm right, it's 1982, and he didn't go by Benjamin Netanyahu back then, he went by whatever his more, you know, European sounded name was.
02:25:44.000This creates a system where health-related genetic testing is robust and often publicly funded, but direct to consumer tests for ancestry or paternity are highly restricted restrict anything like that if you want to just if a human being has bodily autonomy and you want to find out where your ancestors came from, why wouldn't that be?
02:26:08.000Well, look, the only real answer to this is that they...
02:26:23.000It's like a supernatural property right claim.
02:26:26.000That, you know, like that you have this, which, you know, if you go, there was that great documentary on the settlers in the West Bank, and they'll all tell you to a man or to a woman, they focus a lot on that godmother of the settlers woman, but they'll all explain to you, like in very plain English with a Hebrew accent, that God promised them all this land.
02:26:46.000So like, God promised us all this land.
02:26:48.000So like, I don't know who these other people are here, but God didn't promise it to them, he promised it to us, and so, you know, that's, but that's kind of the claim that we're the original people of this land, and so we have like a right to come back here.
02:27:00.000Now, forget for a second the fact that nobody conceives a property rights in this fashion in any other way.
02:27:05.000Like, nobody thinks I could come up with a DNA test and be like, oh, I've got some Ukrainian in here.
02:27:11.000All right, well, I'm going to march into Ukraine, knock on a door, and be like, this is actually my house because I was here a thousand years ago.
02:27:22.000Well, let's just say hypothetically, if say the truth is that the Jews of 2,000 years ago weren't actually kicked out of the land, but in fact they were forced to convert.
02:27:39.000And that actually those people who you're saying were never promised the land are actually the people who were promised the land and then converted to Islam.
02:27:48.000And in fact, you're just some European who came in here way after that.
02:27:52.000That I'm just saying, hypothetically, if that was the case, that would be something that maybe you would want to control the information of.
02:29:17.000And you don't, you kind of, I think this, I mean, I feel this way particularly, I think when you have kids, this becomes like a more focus.
02:29:24.000I think that the way I look at it is because I have kids, I don't have an option to be pessimistic.
02:29:30.000I don't have an option to be black pilled or just feel bad about it.
02:29:33.000It's like, no, no, no, I got little kids.
02:29:36.000I gotta do everything I can to, you know, like I may have said this before to you, but like the example I think of is like if you like, let's say you're in your house with your family and like you've you've got like let's say a gun or two in the house and then you look outside and you see like there's like a 10 guys with guns charging the house and it's just you and you just have your one or two guns there's 10 guys with guns charging the house and your family is in the house like you don't have a right as like the man of your house you don't have a right to sit there and
02:30:05.000go oh man there's 10 of them and only one of me i mean i just think the future looks bleak You know, it's like, what?
02:30:24.000here so you don't have a right to just sit there and feel bad about yeah the odds are against you but you know crazy things have happened i will say we you think it's that bad 10 guys to one no i'm just saying even in a scenario in your in your analogy it's like you're fucked sure but even in that no i don't know that you're not i don't know that you're necessarily fucked i mean hey listen dude depends if you're john wick well yeah but also you have there's a big advantage to a house that you know that other people don't know i would
02:30:53.000assume by the time people guns come to your house, they have a pretty good understanding of how the house is built.
02:30:59.000Okay, maybe it's not the perfect amount.
02:31:00.000I'm not saying it's going to work out well.
02:31:02.000I'm saying in that moment you still go out you still go out trying okay now I think we have a way better situation than that I think that the I think that well look I think that tyranny has always relied on propaganda and that we are running an experiment for like the first time where they're flying with no net They don't have a propaganda apparatus anymore, like at all.
02:31:26.000Well, they certainly don't have control over narratives anymore.
02:31:31.000Donald Trump can't even control what Tucker Carlson is going to say.
02:31:36.000Like, you can't even count on your most influential right-wing.
02:31:41.000voice in America to go, like, there never was anything like this before.
02:31:45.000There never was, even just in recent times, there never was something George W. Bush could have done where you'd be like tonight on Fox News, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are going to tear him apart.
02:32:27.000Like I think it was, I forget the exact recent numbers, but it's something like it's over $1.2 trillion a year just on interest on the debt.
02:32:36.000Interest on the debt is like overtaking the entire budget.
02:32:40.000And at a certain point there, someone's going to have to call it quits.
02:32:44.000and be like, we just got to start reigning this thing back in.
02:32:47.000If they lose all of their popular support and all of their economic ability to keep running up the debt and keep the printing machines going, then I think there's going to have to be a huge adjustment made there.
02:33:20.000in terms of actually getting cuts done right now.
02:33:23.000But it was a huge success in terms of like putting a spotlight on this issue and putting it into the national consciousness in a way that it's never been before.
02:33:32.000And so now it's like, okay, well, what will the second attempt?
02:33:35.000What will the third attempt look like?
02:33:38.000You know, we have a new world now where Donald Trump won the presidency in no small part by coming on this show, by going on Andrew Schultz show and Theo Vaughn show, and, you know, like all these different.
02:33:52.000And now we're coming up on the next presidential election, like for the foreseeable future, in order to win the presidency, they kind of know they got to come here and to all of our shows and present something that might get you and your audience like, okay, he's coming with something here.
02:34:11.000This is such a new dynamic that I just think like the potential for good is off the charts.
02:34:17.000And so, like, yeah, in the short term, things are still the same.
02:34:21.000Government policy is still what it is, and the people don't really have much control over that.
02:34:26.000But I think, like, long term, I'm very bullish on the ability of people to really wake up and understand what's going on here.
02:34:34.000Apparently, there's some real talk about changing the status of marijuana.
02:34:41.000I was reading about that a couple weeks ago, right?
02:34:43.000But there's something that just came out yesterday, too, where they think that Trump might declassify it and take it from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 3, which would change everything.
02:34:53.000And open, there was an article about the the economics of it because they were talking about these businesses, how they're taxed and how, you know, federally they're still operating like criminals.
02:35:05.000It's like that's how it's viewed by the federal government views it as a Schedule 1 substance, you're, you know, like, and if you get arrested for it, you're fucked.
02:35:15.000Where they're going to change the right now they have a limited ability to bank.
02:35:23.000And just that alone would make a huge economic impact.
02:35:27.000I mean, if you want to do something, first of all, you would kill a lot of the interest.
02:35:32.000interest or excuse me, a lot of the financial interest that the cartels have in it.
02:35:37.000If all of a sudden it becomes legal here, like the cartels probably they're probably going to be involved still a little bit because they're involved in it already.
02:35:46.000I had Ed Calderon on yesterday, was explaining how they're involved in illegal fuel, the human trafficking is a giant business.
02:35:55.000They have many, many horrible interests.
02:35:59.000But you would at the very least, you would empower American businesses to do it legally and normally and have organic marijuana air quotes because some of the stuff they're finding in in California that the cartels are running is they're using these terrible pesticides and herbicides that are like insanely toxic and illegal everywhere else.
02:36:19.000You can't use them on American crops, but yet they're using them on this marijuana because it's not only being sold at like dispensaries and stuff?
02:36:35.000And they're growing it in California in National Forest because it's a misdemeanor to get caught illegally growing marijuana in California.
02:36:43.000There's a great book, John Norris, Hidden War, that's all about that.
02:36:48.000game warden who had to find out about this the hard way and then became a part of a tactical unit where they would go in and fight the cartels in the woods.
02:37:01.000So if he does that, that'll be another good thing.
02:37:04.000The other good thing that he's been doing is getting these people together that have been in conflict forever and making them shake hands and having conversations, peace talks.
02:37:16.000Like how many different people have, how many different countries have had representatives agree to peace talks because of Trump?
02:37:24.000I was reading this breakdown of all the different things.
02:37:27.000Yeah, I know he intervened in the not intervened, But he, with the India-Pakistan thing, I know he got all of them on the phone.
02:37:34.000And he's, you know, I obviously just had Putin over here.
02:37:37.000But yeah, I think there was a few examples of that, which is great.
02:37:47.000But it's, isn't it so insane that it took this long?
02:37:54.000Like, just with the Putin and Donald Trump.
02:37:57.000I always say, and I know this is kind of like a hippie-ish thing to say, but I think the world needs a little bit more of that.
02:38:04.000But like, okay, it's kind of crazy that war still exists.
02:38:08.000It's kind of crazy that we're at the, you know, like you'd almost feel like if you saw a society and you're like, wait, you've gotten to the point where like you have the written language and two-story buildings.
02:38:17.000You'd be like, you probably should have figured out something other than war at this point.
02:38:21.000But yeah, you know, you're talking about a society with the internet and skyscrapers and heart surgery and like all these things.
02:38:26.000And like you still, but still, and we have international governance of some sort, you know, you have the United Nations and things like this.
02:38:34.000And you're telling me like there is international law.
02:38:38.000And like the first rule isn't that like if any countries are ever going to go to war, you guys have to get in a room together.
02:38:45.000Like before we go to war., we need to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is, especially when it's the United States and Russia.
02:40:10.000How did it flip where people aren't trying to exhaust every possible way to stop the end of the killing of all these people that are conscripted and sent to the front lines to die when they don't want to be there?
02:40:47.000One of them, a possible nuclear disaster.
02:40:49.000Trump wrote in True Social on August 18, before meeting with European leaders and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenskyy at the White House, where he made a similar claim.
02:40:58.000I know exactly what I'm doing, and I don't need the advice of people who have been working on all these conflicts for years and were never able to do anything to stop them.
02:41:09.000So click on that where it says six wars in six months.
02:42:01.000On 26 July, Trump posted on True Social, I am calling the acting Prime Minister of Thailand right now to likewise request a ceasefire and end the war, which is currently raging.
02:42:12.000A couple days later, the two countries agreed to an immediate and unconditional ceasefire after less than a week of fighting.
02:42:18.000At the border, Malaysia held the peace talks, but President Trump threatened to stop separate negotiations on reducing U.S. tariffs unless Thailand and Cambodia stopped fighting.
02:42:32.000The leaders of both countries said Trump should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in securing a peace deal which was announced at the White House on 8 August.
02:42:43.000The Oval Office signing ceremony may have pushed the parties to peace, says Mr. O'Hanlon.
02:42:50.000In March, the two governments had said they were ready to end their nearly 40-year conflict centered on the status of the how do you say that?
02:43:19.000After twelve years of disagreement, Egypt's foreign minister said on the twenty ninth of June that talks with Ethiopia had grounded to a halt.
02:43:26.000Trump said, if I was Egypt, I'd want the water in the Nile.
02:43:29.000He promised that the US was going to resolve the issue very quickly.
02:43:33.000Egypt welcomed Trump's words, but Ethiopian officials say they risked inflaming tensions.
02:43:52.000There's no trade with the United States.
02:43:53.000They said well, maybe we won't go at it You're just so you just know that is a Trump quote the two countries signed an economic Normalization agreement in the Oval Office with the president in 2020, but they were not at war at the time So it doesn't say that that's been resolved.
02:44:15.000Okay, yeah, I think like some of them haven't totally been resolved well I think he's trying the Armenian one I think is the one he should get the most credit for because because they did sign that peace deal in the white house and both the leaders did say like yeah donald trump really played a huge role in this with the other things he kind of never know.
02:44:33.000But this is a new and unique thing that this guy, I mean, he's only been in office for eight months and that he's like actively pursuing all these international conflicts, trying to get these people together and stop it.
02:44:48.000Now, I don't give him any credit for the, I mean, let me just try to say this.
02:44:51.000I do give him credit, like I said before, for taking the off-ramp when he had it on the 12-day war.
02:44:56.000But the thing about that one is that he just never needed to launch the thing to begin with.
02:45:00.000And I don't know, you know, I'm not even sure he did launch it, to be honest.
02:45:04.000It's kind of unclear how that happened because they were in negotiations with the Iranians and then Israel attacked them.
02:45:10.000And then after Israel attacked them, Trump said basically we were all in on it together, which might be true.
02:45:16.000But I do know that Tucker Carlson said, I'm not revealing anything privately, he said this on the record, he's he knows Whitcoff, who was the guy who was point manning the negotiations.
02:45:26.000And he was like, it is absolutely not true that these were like fake negotiations designed to trick the Iranians so Israel could get their shot off.
02:45:36.000Now, I don't know exactly what's right there.
02:45:38.000Also, then you have to cover for your friend because your friend threw the first punch.
02:45:41.000Well, I know that Trump was upset because he let it out that he was upset that after he called for the ceasefire, Israel just started bombing the crap out of them and he was like what are you guys doing man but then he turns around and still supports everything they're doing well they have conversations they have meetings yeah the thing about it is though is that going forward i think this is like the more important thing is that going forward this problem is not off the table you know they're saying that trump's going to say he completely destroyed you know Iran's
02:46:12.000nuclear program, but that's not clear at all.
02:46:15.000And everything the Iranians are saying is that they are going to continue having a civilian nuclear program, and they have the technology, and they can rebuild this thing.
02:46:25.000And so then the question is like, if they do, what do we want to do next about that?
02:46:28.000And what's great is that This at least was a little war that didn't result in like a major catastrophe, still a catastrophe for the people who died in it.
02:46:36.000There were Iranians and Israelis who died in this war.
02:46:41.000But at least it may give us some time to go like for the next go around to just be like, we don't need to go to war over a civilian nuclear program.
02:46:50.000First of all, we shouldn't go to war over a nuclear weapons program.
02:48:00.000And they really got on the, like, we are not supporting this war.
02:48:03.000But then there were like, it was all over Twitter where there were the active duty military guys, and they would dress up in, like, they would put on the military uniform, but cover their face, and then just like hold a sign that's like, I will not fight for Al Qaeda in Syria.
02:48:17.000Because those guys knew what that was.
02:48:41.000Like that doesn't make any sense, does it?
02:48:43.000Why would Tulsi Gabbard have been so against that war?
02:48:46.000Well, the reason she was against that war is because she actually knew the first thing about it, unlike all these other people, unlike Barry Weiss who didn't even know what the word Todi meant as she was calling her that.
02:48:56.000Tulsi Gabbard, for whatever you might say about her, and I've got some criticisms of her myself.
02:49:02.000But she knows who the Shiites are and who the Sunnis are.
02:49:05.000And she knows which camp is on which side.
02:49:08.000And she knew that on the other side of Bashar al-Assad in this civil war, which was started by Barack Obama, on the other side of this was ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
02:49:18.000And her whole thing was she signed up, she enlisted to go fight Al-Qaeda because they hit us on 9-11.
02:49:54.000Maybe it did a good, we did a real good job there.
02:49:56.000Well, did you see, well, this was the crazy thing for the people who were advocating regime change in the twelve day war in Iran.
02:50:02.000They would always, you see, there were like, there were Israeli government officials who were posting pictures of the son of the Shah?
02:50:10.000Like the implication being that Kill come back into power.
02:50:13.000Because what was he in exile in England?
02:50:16.000So now the war on terrorism started with spreading democracy and in its end phase we're spreading what's the word I'm looking for?
02:50:27.000A monarchy, a hereditary monarchy or something.
02:50:31.000It's like, yeah, but also, by the way, what do you think the odds are that if we overthrew the mullahs, that the son of the Shah just walks back into power and all the warring factions just go, yeah, no, that's, you know, the U.S. propped him up in 1953, so then, yeah, okay, he's the rightful ruler.
02:51:10.000You know, and then like, but today, like, dude, we live in like the most amazing time, dude.
02:51:15.000I mean, there's literally Bring it home, nice.
02:51:17.000Well, listen, man, I mean this, the most sincere thing I've ever said in my life.
02:51:24.000My son was born with a congenital heart defect that would have killed him in almost any other time period, unless I was alive today or in the last ten years.
02:51:33.000Thirty years ago, I would have lost my son.
02:51:44.000And we have the ability to, like, reach people and trade with each other and communicate with each other.
02:51:50.000We're, we're really close to, like, curing all types of, of diseases and ailments and extending life and extending, you know, people are educated and connected in a way that they've never been before.
02:52:02.000You know, we got all these problems, but we've hadre aware of the problems now.