The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk

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00:00:12.000 So excited to talk to you, man.

00:00:14.000 I have been so looking forward to this.

00:00:16.000 Since I saw your video on the labyrinths in Egypt.

00:00:20.000 Spoiler alert.

00:00:22.000 There appears to be a forty-meter long metallic tic-tac-shaped object.

00:00:30.000 How m how deep into the ground?

00:00:32.000 Uh it's in that so it's in the central atrium, which we'll get into what that is, but somewhere in the realm of 60, 70 meters.

00:00:39.000 So man, what's that in feet, like 200 feet, 150 to 180 feet down, something like that.

00:00:46.000 So for anybody who's interested, what is the name of that video that you put out?

00:00:50.000 I think it's the ancient structure, like it's said to be greater than the pyramids.

00:00:53.000 I try to tease it a little bit, but it's it's it's on that it's on my channel.

00:00:56.000 I mean, it's a good tease.

00:00:58.000 You got me.

00:00:58.000 I I dove right in.

00:00:58.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 And I I remember I was in the gym while I was watching it, and I I literally stopped working out.

00:01:04.000 I was like, okay, I gotta pause this.

00:01:06.000 This is not something that I can consume while I'm working on.

00:01:09.000 I need to like really pay attention to this because it's so wild.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, and and I I honestly that I'm grateful for how like that video took off.

00:01:16.000 Like it for me it took off.

00:01:17.000 But way bigger than than ones that I've done in the past.

00:01:20.000 I talk about the labyrinth in the past, and it's uh it's a much longer video, and uh I was I was really glad to get the chance to dive into these details because I've been wanting to revisit the labyrinth for a long time.

00:01:31.000 However, there's just been recently a bunch of new data that came up about things that happened a decade or two ago, or in yeah, in inside the last decade that really changed that picture, and that was it was things like the Merlin Burroughs scans that that correlated other scans and also reported on yeah, there seems to be a metallic object down there.

00:01:49.000 And this isn't you know, this isn't sort of crazy emerging science.

00:01:53.000 This is a uh a legitimate company that ha is using technology that's been well established in defense and in in the UK defense.

00:02:01.000 It came out of the the UK military as a technology that's been more or less proven.

00:02:05.000 So and the guy that that Tim Acres, Rest in Peace, unfortunately, he's since passed, but he uh you know what he said about this object, like he's he is a credible guy to to say this.

00:02:16.000 He he doesn't draw conclusions about what it might be, but it's definitely it's not wood, it's not stone, it's metal, it's not unlike other metal that he's seen, although he they couldn't classify what exact type of metal it is, but he said, yeah, there is a in this central atrium because the labyrinth has multiple levels,

00:02:33.000 and it's it's almost like you're imagine yourself standing in a shopping mall and and you have that central atrium where you can see all these levels, and it's like this big central chamber that connects to these multiple levels that's open, it's at least forty meters long, it's really tall, and in the center of it is what's more than forty because it contains this single sort of 40-piece, forty-meter long object that's sitting in there.

00:02:54.000 So, how did you find out about the labyrinths?

00:02:57.000 Like th this is something that has been talked about for a long time.

00:03:02.000 Thousands of years.

00:03:03.000 But no one it's not in any like traditional archaeology books.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:10.000 It's not is it?

00:03:11.000 Yeah, yeah, no, it is.

00:03:12.000 So the labyrinth is kind of that this is the other part that draw that drew me to it, uh, is that it isn't something that's coming out of left field, right?

00:03:20.000 It's it's not like this, oh no one ever heard of this before.

00:03:23.000 It it's literally a structure that was written about extensively over hundreds of years in antiquity by authors like Herodotus, Deodorus Siculus, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Polonius Mello, like there's there's all of these these writers of antiquity, and you're talking about time for instance from like 500 BC up to the first century AD.

00:03:41.000 Had visited it and they'd they'd written about it and talked about it, and they gave it this legend.

00:03:47.000 Guys like Herodotus said that it surpasses the pyramids in grandeur, and then you have Yeah, so this is the this is from Herodotus' histories in the fifth century BC, and he says for this I saw myself and I found it greater than words can say.

00:04:00.000 For if one should put together and reckon up all the buildings and all of the great works produced by the Hellenes, the Greeks, they would prove to be inferior in labor and expense to this labyrinth. 0.99

00:04:09.000 So he's he's saying that all of the temples of the Greeks of ancient Greece, you've been there, you've seen the the Acropolis, and just if you added them all up, the labor to produce them would be inferior in what it would take to just make this one thing in Egypt, a labyrinth.

00:04:24.000 That is underground.

00:04:25.000 That's underground.

00:04:26.000 Right.

00:04:26.000 How do conventional archaeologists approach this?

00:04:29.000 Do they discuss this at all?

00:04:31.000 Yeah, so they do.

00:04:32.000 It's it's been discuss it basically What happened was so you had they always we always kind of knew where it was.

00:04:38.000 So, you know, you have the the classical authors of antiquity which coincides with what you might call the Ptolemaic period of ancient Egypt.

00:04:45.000 It's a transition from like dynastic Egypt into it becoming essentially a a Roman province, like an imperial province of Rome.

00:04:54.000 And that runs you up to about, you know, f four or five hundred AD.

00:04:57.000 And then sort of, you know, civilization has we have the dark ages, sort of have Roman Empire collapses, and it's not until again you get to the Renaissance and you you have uh artists and other authors are looking at these historical accounts and they're talking about it, they're drawing it, some of the depictions you see from the labyrinth are in that.

00:05:13.000 And then again, not until the emergence of what I would call modern archaeology in the eighteenth century.

00:05:18.000 So guys like Carl Lepsius in the 1700s started to look at these accounts and go and and survey the place where they said it was.

00:05:27.000 So it you know, Herodotus and these authors, I I selected the quotes here to just there's a lot more that they say about it.

00:05:32.000 What then but one of the things they talk about is they kind of give descriptions of where it is.

00:05:36.000 They say it's near what was called Lake Moiris, and um and it's near the what uh a a city that's was the the temple of the crocodiles crocodile Crocodilopolis or or ancient arseno is the other name for it.

00:05:48.000 And we know where that is.

00:05:49.000 And Lake Moiris sort of somewhat still exists, it's much smaller now, but it's in this region called the Fayum of Egypt.

00:05:54.000 So if you ever look at Egypt on a map, you can imagine it's desert, and you have from north to south you have this green line of the Nile, traces it down.

00:06:02.000 But on the left side, you look at there's this leaf-shaped depression that's all green, it's called the Fium.

00:06:07.000 It's a depression which used to flood with the Nile.

00:06:09.000 Today they use it for agriculture.

00:06:11.000 And it's right at that neck of the Fayum where it connects up to the Nile Valley.

00:06:16.000 And he also described it, they also described the pyramid that's at the site because there is a the pyramid to Aminabhap the Third on that site.

00:06:23.000 So they give us all these descriptors, and everyone kind of agreed, yeah.

00:06:25.000 So it's at this place called Hawara, where I've been to several times.

00:06:29.000 There's still a pyramid there, and there's this great fields of sand and and and like open little open air libraries with chunks of stone.

00:06:36.000 And what happened was so Carl Lepsius went there and he said, Well, I've discovered the ruins of like a Roman town that's built on the surface, there's nothing crazy about it.

00:06:44.000 Flinders Petrie was the guy who kind of got the closest.

00:06:47.000 Now Petrie went there in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

00:06:51.000 And he was excavating, he dug down seven or eight meters.

00:06:56.000 He got down and he found this massive stone slab of of beton or plaster that was huge, like a thousand feet long.

00:07:02.000 Like it was as much he sort of traced the edges of it.

00:07:04.000 And he's like, I'm standing on the foundation of the labyrinth.

00:07:08.000 So what he said, he's like, it's all gone.

00:07:10.000 Like it's basically Petrie said it's been quarried.

00:07:14.000 This place has been a source of stone for literally millennia.

00:07:17.000 So it's gone.

00:07:18.000 So pretty much everyone since then in archaeology, Egyptology is like, and if you look on Wikipedia, they'll tell you, oh, it's it's gone.

00:07:24.000 It was destroyed, it was quarried away.

00:07:27.000 Petrie says, you know, I'm standing on the the foundation of it, the bottom layer, and that's it, it's there's nothing here.

00:07:33.000 And so that's always been kind of the position of orthodox Egyptology, look in the textbooks, that's where it is.

00:07:39.000 But that's all changed because there's been a whole bunch of different now scientific expeditions there.

00:07:45.000 This is where it gets into some intrigue because that the the Matahar expedition, the Cara University expedition.

00:07:51.000 I mean, these these happened, their results have come out since, but they were covered up at the time.

00:07:56.000 So the first guy to real year was this?

00:07:56.000 They were suppressed.

00:07:58.000 2008 was the Matahara Expedition.

00:08:00.000 They were covered up.

00:08:02.000 Yes.

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00:09:24.000 So what is this our boys Aui?

00:09:26.000 Yeah.

00:09:27.000 Sorry.

00:09:27.000 Zahi.

00:09:28.000 And look, and again, not my words, this is the words of Louis DeCordier, who was he's a Belgian artist and entrepreneur who who funded and drove the Matahar expedition.

00:09:28.000 It was.

00:09:36.000 He did it in conjunction with the Supreme Council of Antiquities, which at the time was helmed by Zahi Huas.

00:09:43.000 Also with the NRIAG, which is the uh National Research Institute for like basically subsurface studies, so that's those guys dragging that box around.

00:09:52.000 So they used a whole bunch of different techniques to look at these areas around that pyramid at the site of Hawara, things like ground penetrating radar, geomagnetism, very low frequency, like seismic tomography, electrical resistivity tomography.

00:10:05.000 There's uh there's a bunch of different techniques that are well established.

00:10:09.000 Known science.

00:10:10.000 This isn't like the Kuffrey scan stuff, where it's like you can debate the the merits of the technology.

00:10:14.000 This is established technology.

00:10:15.000 And they found the labyrinth.

00:10:16.000 So and what he found was is that yes, so what Lepsier said about the ruins of a Roman or Greek or Persian town with mud bricks and stuff, yep, that's there in the first few meters.

00:10:27.000 You go down, then you hit the water table.

00:10:29.000 So that there's the other issue on this site is the water table.

00:10:32.000 So the water's at like five meters below the surface.

00:10:35.000 And under that is the slab that Petrie found.

00:10:38.000 So like six, seven meters is is that that that huge slab that that Petrie found that he thought was the foundation.

00:10:44.000 And then below that, Petrie didn't dig deep enough. 1.00

00:10:47.000 Below that we can find essentially a labyrinthian structure of granite and very dense rocks uh and walls and and um like a maze-like structure that's that has walls that are meters thick.

00:11:00.000 There's another great slide in there that's that's the green and it's the actual VLF right-that's it there.

00:11:05.000 So Yeah, so this is at eight meters with VLF sounding, so you can see like this labyrinthian structure of these walls and all of these lines and walls.

00:11:13.000 So these are like granite and the scale of this, it's a hundred meters vertically by a hundred and fifty meters.

00:11:19.000 A hundred meters tall.

00:11:20.000 Well, no, so vertically.

00:11:22.000 So the the the y-axis, I guess, of this.

00:11:22.000 No, no.

00:11:24.000 So we we're looking down in the ground here.

00:11:26.000 But you've got to look at the scale.

00:11:27.000 Like across the top, that's a hundred and fifty meters, right?

00:11:30.000 So I mean, what, four hundred and fifty feet?

00:11:33.000 So these are big walls.

00:11:34.000 So it's big chambers and big walls.

00:11:36.000 For people at home is like a football field.

00:11:38.000 Yeah, it's a football field.

00:11:39.000 Uh well, it's more.

00:11:40.000 I mean, a hundred meters.

00:11:42.000 In Australia, it's my hundred meters as the football field, I think.

00:11:44.000 I don't know how big.

00:11:46.000 What is the difference between a hundred yards and a hundred meters?

00:11:48.000 It's a hundred yards is a little less.

00:11:51.000 A little less.

00:11:52.000 So a hundred and fifty met and and this is only a section of the labyrinth.

00:11:55.000 They they scan two sections.

00:11:57.000 Uh the labyrinth itself is said to be much, much larger than this.

00:12:00.000 They so they found it.

00:12:01.000 Much larger than that.

00:12:02.000 Oh, that's huge.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, no, it's it's it's a overall structure, like a thousand feet at least.

00:12:10.000 Like like three three, four, five times that size.

00:12:10.000 Wow.

00:12:13.000 I mean, you have to go back to the we we have some better indication with the more modern space-based scans now, but when they did those the geophysical, like the the ground penetrating radar scans.

00:12:24.000 So they scanned two areas.

00:12:25.000 That was the bigger one, like in front of the pyramid, then they did another one on the other side of the canal that runs through the site today, and they found they found it on both sides.

00:12:34.000 So that's the difference between like what we say about the lab, like what the textbooks will tell you about the labyrinth, it not being there and it it being destroyed to No.

00:12:43.000 We've actually now there's been the Madahar expedition confirmed it was there.

00:12:48.000 And they so what happened w this was interesting, and I I have I have I think reasoning for why this happened, it but it was covered up, and these are the words like Louis deCordier.

00:12:59.000 He eventually got sick of waiting, because what happens in Egypt, anything you do, whether it's you're you're an academic institution or you're an individual or a group that's funding some sort of expedition.

00:13:10.000 You work with the Council of Antiquities today, it's the um Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities.

00:13:15.000 But they essentially, you know, you gotta it takes years to get ex access.

00:13:19.000 And then once you do though, they control release of information.

00:13:22.000 So that's always part of the deal, right?

00:13:23.000 It's the Egypt gets to do the announcing and if and when they choose. 0.98

00:13:27.000 And they have dismissed things in the past that they've then accepted later.

00:13:31.000 Aaron Powell Yeah, a great example is the honestly the the Scan Pyramids project.

00:13:36.000 So when so they got ahead of themselves a little bit, this is the the muon detection, the cosmic ray detection stuff.

00:13:42.000 They've been running that experiment for years at the at Giza in the Great Pyramid.

00:13:46.000 They put the and every time I go in there, there's always different sets of equipment at different places on it.

00:13:50.000 But these muon detectors, they they have them under the ground and in the Grand Gallery, and it just takes years to collect data.

00:13:55.000 Occasionally these cosmic particles, they'll pick one up and it's you're able to detect voids or you know they have a they can somehow tell the difference between it it travelling through solid matter versus a void.

00:14:06.000 Takes years to build up a a resolute picture.

00:14:10.000 But once they did, they said, Oh, okay, so we've discovered that big void in the pyramid, but they'd also discovered the small void at the at the main entrance, if you if you look up at it today, there's those chevron blocks.

00:14:20.000 Like above you you go in down here at the Alma Moon's tunnel, but at the top where the descending passage actually exits the pyramid, the original entrance, there's this big chevron blocks, and behind that's that chamber.

00:14:31.000 So you remember a few years ago they made a big fuss.

00:14:33.000 But as an example, like when the when the scan pyramids guys on their own initiative announced that we've made these discoveries.

00:14:40.000 I mean, they Zahi basically came out and said this is bullshit, this doesn't exist, there's nothing there, and if there is something there, we knew about it already, you know.

00:14:50.000 And and you go on a couple years, and when now it's time to do the press releases and to roll out um you know the footage, and he's who's standing at the at the podium making the announcement and showing the face. 0.87

00:15:01.000 Zahi's doing it.

00:15:02.000 He has to.

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 Uh yes.

00:15:07.000 I I did a video, I just released it a few days ago that got into some even more intrigue about stuff that's happened at Giza in the in the in the at the Giza Plateau in the nineteen nineties, which we can we can get into that too.

00:15:18.000 But so yeah, what happened with the Madahar expedition and the labyrinth was that 2008 and nine, they finished their um their on-site work, they're ready to release the data.

00:15:28.000 They they put on a very small public lecture at Ghent University in Belgium, no one really attended it.

00:15:33.000 And then they got told to stop, and again, in the words of Louis de Cordier, because he waited like two or three years and then he put this out there.

00:15:39.000 He said that he was told to cease any and all discussion or release of information from the Madahar project, and him and his team members were threatened with national security sanctions.

00:15:49.000 Oi.

00:15:50.000 From Egypt.

00:15:50.000 Which means that, you know, I I think at the low level, like if you come to Egypt we'll arrest you, and if not, when maybe we'll come and get you.

00:15:56.000 It's this is national security sanctions.

00:15:56.000 I don't know.

00:15:58.000 Isn't there a way to sort of massage that situation and to talk to Zahi and say, listen, you can be the guy who found this.

00:16:07.000 Oh I think that would have been the case.

00:16:09.000 I think that was a given if if it had been released.

00:16:11.000 I actually think in the case so it's funny, I I d uh I kind of don't really blame him so much.

00:16:18.000 I think this was a political uh decision, not a not so people say, oh it's hiding the truth and whatever.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, okay, that that's happening.

00:16:26.000 There's new data, that's an amazing, amazing find that that could change the world.

00:16:29.000 In my opinion, honestly, the labyrinth is the biggest archaeological discovery of the millennium.

00:16:34.000 When we get into what that structure is and how big it is and the way it's reported in antiquity, there's nothing bigger than they Herodotus says it surpasses the pyramids.

00:16:41.000 Like it's like finding more gee like a Giza plateau somewhere.

00:16:45.000 Under the ground.

00:16:46.000 Like you can't I just think it would be the biggest discovery of the millennium, which is part of the problem.

00:16:46.000 Under the ground.

00:16:51.000 Because I think unfortunately in Egypt, and this is just my um intuition and my sort of read of the situation, what's happened is that the reality is is the groundwater level is rising, right?

00:17:02.000 So it's it's kind of attacking that part of the site, at least the the higher levels of the labyrinth for sure are suffering in this salty groundwater, right?

00:17:10.000 It is going to slowly erode because that groundwater's come way up.

00:17:12.000 We know it's come way up because Flinders Petrie, back in the you know, late 18th, early 19th century actually got in to under the pyramid.

00:17:20.000 And you can't today if you go to that pyramid, you there is a a passage you can go down, you go down a few steps and just throw a pebble, it's just water and and debris and mud and so this water table it has risen slowly over No, since the 1960s, since they built the dam.

00:17:35.000 So it's the high dam.

00:17:36.000 So what happened it's this is the problem, right?

00:17:39.000 So you've got all these factors.

00:17:41.000 It's where it is, so it's it Hawata, the neck to the foam.

00:17:44.000 Now Egypt, I love Egypt.

00:17:45.000 I go to Egypt a couple times a year every year.

00:17:48.000 And fantastic place, but they are one of like they're food poor in terms of like they're the net biggest importer of wheat.

00:17:54.000 They need all the agriculture they can get.

00:17:56.000 The foam is a huge agricultural area.

00:17:58.000 There's a huge irrigation canal called the Bawabi Canal that's been cut in there in like the 1840s, same guy built the Suez Canal, made it um cuts it in there.

00:18:07.000 So you've got this situation of like, alright, we've got all this agriculture happening, we've got farmers' water rights messing with this, and it's and it's happens to be running through this ancient site that could be the biggest discovery of our time.

00:18:21.000 And it's happening because we built a dam on the Nile.

00:18:24.000 And and what happened with the the high dam in the 60s, like there's a low dam the British built in like 1901, 1902, then they actually partnered with the Soviet Union to build this high dam.

00:18:34.000 That's actually still a monument to Egyptian Soviet Union friendship at the dam is pretty cool.

00:18:39.000 Um but when they built that high dam, it essentially stops that yearly cycle of inundation of the Nile.

00:18:45.000 So everyone, you know, we always talk about the Nile flooding, right?

00:18:48.000 Every year that it rains in Africa in the south, you get this huge flood that comes up the Nile and it it it floods out and you get this deposit of of of of you know black mud and real fertile ground and they would use that to farm. 0.76

00:19:01.000 They built the dam, it r you get rid of that yearly cycle, right?

00:19:06.000 And what happens, people it seems counterintuitive because people are like, well, it's less water in the Nile.

00:19:11.000 Well no, what you what the dam did was eliminate the nine-month dry season.

00:19:15.000 So you had the three-month wet season, but then you've you don't have that uh nine-month dry season now, so you have essentially more water for more time in the Nile, which is which is having this effect of rising the water table.

00:19:27.000 So you combine that with the size of Hawara and that the project, the scope of the project to try and remediate and save or excavate, start working at the labyrinth.

00:19:38.000 I mean, you're talking like millions and millions.

00:19:40.000 It's would it's not an easy problem to solve on an area that size to try and get the water out, divert the farmer's water, deal with all of those problems, you know, and then so what I think the option Zahi might have been left with here is like, well, it's either going to cost us an absolute bomb to to try and do this for like we don't know what sort of gain, it would probably be a decade before that place is suitable for tourism, it's there's not much to see there even now.

00:20:05.000 Or we basically say we've discovered it, but we're not gonna do anything about it because it's too expensive, and you're gonna face a lot of international criticism for that.

00:20:11.000 So I think that the the decision was likely made, in my opinion, complete speculation that it's just easy to brush this under the table.

00:20:18.000 This never happened, we never discovered this.

00:20:20.000 This doesn't exist, let's just go on selling tickets on the Giza Plateau and pumping water out to the FIM for agriculture.

00:20:27.000 God.

00:20:28.000 How short-sighted.

00:20:30.000 Now, when you were saying millions, were you just going to say dollars, or were you gonna say gallons of water?

00:20:34.000 No, dollars.

00:20:35.000 I mean, I think the project, the remediation project at Hawara would not be a s it's not a simple thing.

00:20:40.000 And in fact, they they did do there was another expedition after the Madahar expedition in like this was 2009.

00:20:47.000 Uh Caira University along with a Polish university went out there to try and figure out what is the deal with the groundwater.

00:20:54.000 Where's it coming from?

00:20:55.000 You know, like what direction and what they were doing they were doing geological test pits and all these boreholes to figure out the water situation.

00:21:02.000 Um according to them, that information was also covered up because they also did ground penetrating radar surveys, also confirmed the labyrinth.

00:21:10.000 The guy who was in charge of that in Cairo University was actually put in jail by they again, this is on their report when the information finally came out in 2017.

00:21:19.000 He lost his job, obviously as part of it.

00:21:21.000 So they covered that up too.

00:21:22.000 But they had they had tried him in jail for what?

00:21:25.000 For I guess for working on the site.

00:21:27.000 Like, I don't know.

00:21:28.000 I I don't know the reason.

00:21:29.000 It's it's on their report though, that's what they say is that he was jailed because the he Zai allegedly halted the project and then put the guy in jail.

00:21:40.000 This is what they say on their on on the report from that uh expedition, that that that work which came out like uh a decade after they'd done it.

00:21:50.000 And I dig it up on the internet, I'm like, well, this is interesting because their results are interesting, but they even after their work, their conclusion was, well, the water's a very complicated problem.

00:21:58.000 It's coming from a couple different directions.

00:22:00.000 Northeast is the shallowest, like it's coming in from this way, but it's also coming from another direction.

00:22:05.000 They'd have to dig a lot more test holes uh in a wider area to really figure it out.

00:22:10.000 And I think you'd have to start digging like remediation wells, put in pumps and just try and pump that down, if not canal and and trench that whole thing out, like a massive site, and then you can start to worry about all right, we're gonna get some dirt out and start to excavate.

00:22:23.000 Could it be done without interrupting the farmers?

00:22:25.000 Probably.

00:22:26.000 Yeah, I mean it's I think it's I think we could do it.

00:22:28.000 Uh I I think that you can divert and move the the Barwabi Canal out of the way if you had to.

00:22:34.000 I just think.

00:22:34.000 Someone needs to holler at Jeff Bezos.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, someone with some deep pockets.

00:22:40.000 Don't you want to know?

00:22:41.000 No, you want to know.

00:22:42.000 I want to know.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 Well, the crazy thing is too, is is that according to the because the story doesn't end there.

00:22:47.000 Like when you get into the modern space-based scans, Merlin Burroughs and the geoscan stuff, and I know that also I've met the the guys from the Kaffrey project, they are gonna scan that site.

00:22:57.000 I've we talked to them about it uh recently at the Cosmic Summit, and then uh I I think you know the lower what they're saying so far is that the lower levels, like because this thing goes down, like I said, to nearly a hundred meters.

00:23:10.000 There's there's reported like levels down to three hundred feet under the ground, and and and it seems like they might be free of water.

00:23:16.000 So it's just it's just like shallow groundwater, and once you get into the bedrock and it's and it's like it's like a s not a porous stone or whatever's underneath just the top-level sediment, it it seems like it can it you know, Tim Aker said it looks like it's free of water, so the very bottom layers uh seem to be free of it.

00:23:34.000 So the the actual labyrinth, very bottom layers.

00:23:37.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Well the Labyrinth is multiple levels at least.

00:23:40.000 So it'd be like But is it possible that they could somehow or another from the side dig a tunnel below everything?

00:23:46.000 If you could below the water.

00:23:47.000 Yeah, you'd have to dig a deep tunnel.

00:23:49.000 You could I mean that's also an option is to try and if you if you actually believe and you go with these scans, you know where that atrium is, we could probably try and get down there and just line a tunnel somehow get down that would be epic if we did that in our lifetime.

00:24:01.000 I I would love to see it.

00:24:02.000 Like be incredible.

00:24:06.000 I agree, which is the reason I made that video in the first place.

00:24:10.000 Um I wanted to draw attention to the labyrinth, because it's just it I think it is like the the biggest opportunity for us.

00:24:16.000 I if in terms of massive discoveries in the ancient world, I can't think of anything that's bigger than the I know the Cafre scan stuff is super interesting and the claims are wild, and it's but this is like known about, like this has been talked about.

00:24:29.000 And then it's been confirmed with multiple scans.

00:24:31.000 You had you had Matahar Expedition, you had Cairo University, and I think it was uh walk rock law, I'm butchering that, the Polish um university, or then you had geoscan team, which was Klaus Doner, a friend of his who runs this German geoscan um space-based satellite thing.

00:24:50.000 It's like a mathematical statistical approach.

00:24:52.000 They kind of use it to determine the elemental composition of stars is the best explanation I have.

00:24:57.000 However, they have a track record of being able to find things like water and oil and gold under the ground.

00:25:04.000 So they've been using that as a company for like people to go basically survey and then go dig and they've done three or four of these and they're okay.

00:25:10.000 This is where you said it was.

00:25:11.000 They scanned the labyrinth.

00:25:12.000 They were the first space-based scan to come out and talk about it.

00:25:16.000 Then you had Merlin Burroughs, which is this ex-UK military technology that's very similar in technique to the Cuffrey scan guys.

00:25:24.000 Like so they use synthetic aperture radar or Doppler tomography.

00:25:27.000 These guys are using like high frequency orbital imaging with seismic data.

00:25:32.000 So it's it's very similar in the way they're in that you're essentially the description I I was told is it's like imagine dropping pebbles into a container of water.

00:25:42.000 And if you could instantly freeze that container and lift it out and shine a light from underneath it, when you look at it on the top, you can in you can see those ripples in three dimensions, but you're looking at it on a 2D scan kind of thing, and you can interpret them to show you the topography of whatever's in that three-dimensional space.

00:25:59.000 It's something similar to that. 0.81

00:26:03.000 Fucking awesome. 0.97

00:26:04.000 It's so awesome. 0.99

00:26:05.000 It's wild.

00:26:06.000 It's so awesome that they just have the ability to do that and look at that.

00:26:10.000 Beyond the Cafre stuff, which you know, I I don't want to get disappointed.

00:26:15.000 So I I I I look at that like, hmm, like it's too great.

00:26:19.000 It's too amazing, it's too spectacular.

00:26:21.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:26:22.000 It's a huge claim.

00:26:23.000 And if it's true, oh boy, does that change everything about everything.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:28.000 I'm in the camp of want to believe, trust me.

00:26:30.000 I mean I'm sure you are.

00:26:31.000 But I'm not, but I don't I mean, I'm I was skeptical initially when it came out.

00:26:34.000 I've talked I've since I've since certainly come around on the technol on the promise of the technology.

00:26:39.000 I my my skepticism probably still exists in in the the layer between the scans as I've seen them and then the interpretations of the results.

00:26:47.000 The 3D.

00:26:48.000 Exactly.

00:26:49.000 Yeah, the the sc and what their interpretations of it are a little weird.

00:26:54.000 Because like you don't really have a crystal clear view of what this thing is.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:58.000 You're making it look like it's some sort of a Tesla coil or whatever it is.

00:27:02.000 Like giant cubes with these Ford tunnels.

00:27:05.000 Yeah, I I look it we'll see.

00:27:07.000 And I want to get into like the Osiris shaft because that's another thing that I just recently put a video out about these other scans that have happened in the nineties confirm that th have since kind of been confirmed by the Kuffray scan team work.

00:27:20.000 But yeah, at the labyrinth at least.

00:27:27.000 Right.

00:27:27.000 So you have you have the geoscan, which is a statistical mathematical approach, space-based still, but then you have and the Merlin Burroughs, which is a similar tick technique to the Kuffrey scan group.

00:27:38.000 And it was used, I mean, just so this is what Tim Akers would tell you, it was used to detect submarines.

00:27:43.000 They would look at like surface patterns on the water and they were using it to basically track submarines under the water.

00:27:48.000 So it's it's that's its origins, at least in the military, as far as I know.

00:27:52.000 It's like the non-classified part of it is what he said.

00:27:54.000 Uh at least reported to have said, I should say.

00:27:56.000 Are there ancient artistic depictions?

00:27:59.000 I mean, not ancient, but certainly Renaissance periods.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 And it it's it's it's I think some of it's symbolic, but s we do get a lot of descriptions from those authors.

00:28:09.000 So for example, Herodotus talks about it being, you know, fifteen hundred rooms on one level.

00:28:16.000 Total of he said there's two levels.

00:28:18.000 He saw one level, he wasn't allowed to go to the lower level.

00:28:21.000 He said that it's three thousand rooms in total, and not just rooms, but also courts, massive open courts.

00:28:28.000 Uh these are like Herodotus didn't have access?

00:28:30.000 Aaron Ross Powell Not to the bottom level, according to him.

00:28:33.000 Interesting.

00:28:33.000 But Deodorus Siculus did, like th these guys talk about Siculus said that you needed a guide you would get lost down there for days if you didn't have a guide who knew his way around.

00:28:41.000 And then you have same you have the same similar accounts from Pliny the Elder and and again these these once you s I think once you get um accounts coming from multiple people over the span of centuries that are from different civilizations, both Roman and Greek, and they're they're correlating.

00:28:55.000 It's like this is re pretty reliable data at this point.

00:28:58.000 In it's certainly in history or in archaeology, you that's what that's your measure for like alright, there's a grain of truth in this given that we've got the same thing coming from these different accounts that are essentially different civilizations that visited the same place.

00:29:10.000 And what they say is astonishing.

00:29:12.000 It's but all of them talk about there being hundred if hundreds, if not thousands of rooms and twisting chambers and then also giant open courts with my that might have forty columns to a side.

00:29:24.000 Um all of it being done with just spectacular craftsmanship.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, this is d so Deodorosiculus, first century BC.

00:29:33.000 Uh talking about that, you know, the in respect of carving and other works of craftsmanship, they left no room for their successes to surpass them.

00:29:40.000 He's saying that there is this is phenomenal work.

00:29:43.000 And in this sacred enclosure, one found a temple surrounded by columns forty to each side, and this roof had a this building had a roof made of a single stone, carved with panels and richly adorned with excellent paintings.

00:29:55.000 So forty to a side, that's eighty.

00:29:58.000 And how was this even lit?

00:30:00.000 What that's always a good question.

00:30:01.000 That's a that's a core question when you get into any of these subterranean spaces, like the Serapum.

00:30:06.000 It's the car it's always there's no soot like we don't know how the answer is they don't know.

00:30:10.000 It wasn't with flame.

00:30:11.000 Like I don't think it was with flame.

00:30:12.000 And then go back to Strabo's depictions.

00:30:17.000 In addition to these things, there is the edifice of the labyrinth, which is a building quite equal to the pyramids.

00:30:23.000 A great palace made of many palaces.

00:30:26.000 For such is the number of how's that word?

00:30:28.000 What's peristyle?

00:30:29.000 Perstyle courts which lie contiguous with one another.

00:30:33.000 Before the entrances there lie what might be called hidden chambers, which are long and many in number and have paths running through one another which twist and turn so that no one can enter or leave any court without a guide.

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 So he you had Siculus's account of one of those courts being eighty columns, like forty-two aside, and there was twelve of them, at least twelve of them in there.

00:30:58.000 Wow.

00:30:58.000 Yeah.

00:30:59.000 So it's absolutely crazy.

00:31:00.000 So you have you know, three thousand rooms, twelve gigantic courts.

00:31:04.000 Diodorus talks about the the roof being made of a single stone.

00:31:08.000 I very much doubt that, but what I think he's describing is the craftsmanship that you see in those real megalithic buildings in Egypt where you can't see the joints.

00:31:16.000 And here uh Pliny the Elder, who lived uh between twenty-three and seventy-nine CE, which is current time.

00:31:23.000 So he's saying three thousand six hundred years ago this was constructed according to tradition.

00:31:28.000 Aaron Powell isn't that interesting, yeah.

00:31:29.000 Right.

00:31:30.000 So That predates the pyramids.

00:31:31.000 Yeah, by a long way, yeah.

00:31:32.000 Allegedly.

00:31:33.000 Allegedly.

00:31:34.000 Right.

00:31:34.000 Well, if you go with the orthodox data, the pyramids, sure.

00:31:37.000 It's he says that, you know, so essentially 3,600 BC, that it was built according to the tradition at the time, 3,600 years.

00:31:46.000 So with the conventional dating of the pyramids, that's more than a thousand years earlier.

00:31:50.000 About a thousand years, yeah, a little less, maybe.

00:31:52.000 And the conventional dating is like even the carbon dating on the pyramids doesn't quite match the conventional dating.

00:32:00.000 So it's they're what is the carbon dating from pieces in the phone.

00:32:00.000 It's a little earlier than that.

00:32:04.000 So they got some mortar.

00:32:05.000 Exactly, yeah, some mortar um in the carbon dating.

00:32:08.000 And what is that?

00:32:09.000 Well, it with the date.

00:32:10.000 So it's I believe it's it's like a wide range, but it's it's it's like several hundred years, like two hundred years prior to what they would say is that the time of Khufu of Chiops, the the ruler in the Fourth Dynasty.

00:32:10.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 Certainly on the Great Pyramid at least.

00:32:24.000 And what is the room for error when they do carbon dating?

00:32:28.000 Well, it's depends on the samples and the it's a lot of specifics, but it could be plus minus twenty, thirty, fifty, a hundred years.

00:32:33.000 It depends.

00:32:34.000 I think this the the margin of error they did multiple samples.

00:32:37.000 I believe it's it's less than that, so that they're pretty firm that the date is earlier.

00:32:42.000 So it gets this is um it's kind of a critical I mean, I think there's a bunch of people that have talked about the fact that the Acheola, the Egyptologists don't really reference that date because it kind of messes up their timeline a little bit.

00:32:52.000 It's not thousands of years.

00:32:52.000 Of course.

00:32:54.000 It's hundreds of years.

00:32:55.000 So the explanation tends to be, well, it was old wood.

00:32:58.000 It's like the ash that gets mixed into the mortar as the source for the carbon, and they say, well, maybe they just burnt really old trees.

00:33:04.000 That's very convenient.

00:33:05.000 It becomes convenient.

00:33:05.000 Right.

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 Well, all of it's convenient, which is which gets really weird because we know that they did some enhancements to the pyramid.

00:33:14.000 Like they refurbished some things.

00:33:16.000 And so that's the problem.

00:33:16.000 Exactly.

00:33:18.000 It's like would you refurbished what and how long was it there before you refurbished it?

00:33:24.000 I I look, I think I don't I'm not I don't discount the carbon dating.

00:33:24.000 Indeed.

00:33:29.000 I I think what you can say from the carbon dating firmly is that the that it it shows that these pyramids were being worked on.

00:33:37.000 If you can't, I don't think you can make the jump to say this is when they were built.

00:33:41.000 You have to you have to infer and say that I think this is when they were they were certainly being worked on in that period.

00:33:47.000 So it I think it's possible that dynastic Egyptians could have finished the pyramids.

00:33:51.000 They may not have been entirely pyramids originally.

00:33:54.000 I think there's I think there's a strong chance that there were multiple phases of construction over a long time to to for them to end up being what they are in our time.

00:34:04.000 Uh I think those are all possibilities here because it just the this is the whole when you you take a step back and look at the whole picture of ancient Egypt.

00:34:13.000 I mean, just you you cannot attribute everything that we see in ancient Egypt to our current understanding of those dynastic Egyptians, their capabilities, their tools, their writings, and what we know about them.

00:34:24.000 We know an awful lot.

00:34:25.000 Like they do we we have tools from the ancient Egyptian toolbox.

00:34:29.000 We found them.

00:34:30.000 We have depictions shown on walls of how they did things.

00:34:33.000 They were very good about documenting them.

00:34:35.000 So we we have the tools, we have the depictions.

00:34:37.000 We also have lots and lots of artifacts that match those tools and depictions, right?

00:34:42.000 We've got these what are clearly handmade artifacts, and this is across all the categories of artifacts from things like stonework columns, obliques, ob obelisks, um sorry, yeah, obeliscs and vases, boxes, pyramids even.

00:34:57.000 And then you have this other category of artifacts that is doesn't match and can't be explained by these tools and techniques.

00:35:05.000 And there's there's just no there's no depictions on walls of how they made the precision artifacts.

00:35:09.000 There's no give me an example of these pref precision artifacts.

00:35:12.000 Of course, yeah, and any category.

00:35:14.000 Um I have it in that tale of two industries uh directory, Jamie, on there.

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00:36:56.000 The vases are probably the best example.

00:36:58.000 They're a smoking gun example of it.

00:37:00.000 This is a 3D printed one.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, so this is these to me.

00:37:04.000 I mean, this is why the the vase um project was so I mean to me quite validating when it came up.

00:37:13.000 Yeah, the shist disc. 0.97

00:37:14.000 Um these are the smoking gun because they connect to everything else, and we're learning so much about the precision of these things.

00:37:21.000 However, but we could start with statues or boxes or you know, columns.

00:37:26.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:37:27.000 There there are two categories across all of these artifacts.

00:37:30.000 And the advanced category, again, it so you can't really make them with the tools that the ancient Egyptians were just were we know they were using that we found.

00:37:39.000 They don't show the scene.

00:37:40.000 There's no scenes of building stone pyramids.

00:37:42.000 There's no scenes of them making giant statues, like thousand-ton statues.

00:37:47.000 This is the type of thing that you see on the wall, and this is in the tomb of the nobles up in um the West Bank at Luxaw.

00:37:53.000 And here they're building mud bricks.

00:37:54.000 So they're firing mud bricks over the fire, they're there.

00:37:57.000 You can see them, they're pouring them, they're shaping them, they're carrying them.

00:37:59.000 It's all very relatively primitive.

00:38:01.000 And we know they made mud brick pyramids, they made mud brick ramps, and some of the mud bricks are big and heavy.

00:38:06.000 But we know all about this.

00:38:07.000 But you don't see is the is the uh is the is the the the stone pyramid building, the really massive megalith stuff.

00:38:13.000 The next the next slide with the the vases is a good example.

00:38:17.000 This is what I've been calling the tale of two industries.

00:38:19.000 It's a whole theory that I've been putting together for the last few years.

00:38:24.000 Again, you have a primitive industry that is clearly observably handmade.

00:38:28.000 It lacks precision and symmetry.

00:38:30.000 We found the tools, the Egyptians drew the scenes, the artifacts match the tools and techniques, and then you have this advanced industry, visibly sophisticated, usually very hard stone is the other characteristic.

00:38:40.000 The primitive stuff is usually softer stone, although not always.

00:38:43.000 These artifacts, as we're doing analysis on them, are showing this depth of precision and complexity that's phenomenal.

00:38:51.000 The vases are just, this is where they become a smoking gun to this whole argument, I think.

00:38:55.000 Can you for people that don't know about this stuff?

00:38:57.000 Can you just give them some numbers on what the vases go back to pre-dynastic times?

00:39:03.000 It's uh it's it's there's no debate that these are pretty dynastic.

00:39:06.000 They predate what we would call the dynastic civilization. 0.92

00:39:09.000 And over the last few years, they've we've been starting to analyze them.

00:39:13.000 We, the vase scan team, various groups of people now have been scanning these with modern technology, LIDAR scanning, um, like laser scanning, even CT X-ray scanning.

00:39:23.000 And basically they're coming back with precision in terms of circularity, flatness, like centering.

00:39:30.000 Um, numbers that are very much equate to some of the best industrial processes that we do today in things like aerospace industry.

00:39:38.000 So where it's really important to be within two or three or four thousandths of an inch of perfection for like the parts we make for jet engines or rocket engines.

00:39:48.000 Those are the numbers that we're seeing come back on a lot of these vessels.

00:39:51.000 Not all of them, again.

00:39:52.000 Like that I don't want to say this is uh true for all of them.

00:39:54.000 It's not.

00:39:54.000 It's true for a lot of them, though.

00:39:56.000 And this is again, this is these are levels of precision that are not visible to the naked eye.

00:40:02.000 I mean, you're talking human hair like a sheet of printer papers like six or seven thousandths of an inch thick, a human hair's two to three or four thousandths thick, and you're seeing sometimes tolerances even lower than that.

00:40:13.000 So you you it's not something you can feel or see or touch, but we see it again and again.

00:40:17.000 And the only way we can achieve those sort of tolerances today is with very advanced machines.

00:40:22.000 Uh, you know, 3D five-axis mills, um, you know, really high precision lathes, cat like computer controlled equipment.

00:40:30.000 The problem with the lathe though is the handles on this, right?

00:40:32.000 Right.

00:40:32.000 So yeah, if you get into it, so this is this is the issue with this, and and one of the craziest things about and this is the OG vase, the original granite vase.

00:40:40.000 Um that started it all.

00:40:42.000 It's one of the more precise ones.

00:40:44.000 And yeah, you could you can imagine without the handles you could lathe it if you're spinning it.

00:40:48.000 But if you if you had the handles, if you wanted these handles, you would have to leave a bull nose that runs all the way around it and then come back with a different process, a different tool to remove that space that this this basically the space between the handles off the body.

00:41:02.000 And you don't see a lack of symmetry in those spaces.

00:41:04.000 Well, precision.

00:41:05.000 So this is this is the thing.

00:41:06.000 So when we do that today, it's called you you basically lose some positional calibration on your tool.

00:41:12.000 So we account for that in the way we do industrial design of these sorts of parts.

00:41:17.000 So we know that we're going to lose a little bit of precision when we change tools and process.

00:41:22.000 Right?

00:41:23.000 So we account for that.

00:41:24.000 But you don't see that on this.

00:41:26.000 When we did, I went back and we we did the we did analysis of this area of the vase body in between the handles, and there's no drop in precision relative to the rest of the vessel.

00:41:36.000 So that means one of two things.

00:41:38.000 One option is okay, they could they could handle that positional that lack of that loss of positional calibration better than we can.

00:41:46.000 Or it wasn't done on a lathe and it was done in what you would call a single pass with a single tool.

00:41:52.000 And the only way you can do that is on a f is is with a tool with five axes of freedom.

00:41:57.000 So now you're talking about a five-axis C and C mill, like one of those computer-controlled things that can just cut it out in basically one pass but without changing tools and process.

00:42:06.000 With incredibly hard stone.

00:42:08.000 And that's the other challenge with this stuff, and there's some samples of the stone there in front of you from vessels.

00:42:15.000 These are actual pieces from vessels.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, they got a private collector.

00:42:23.000 How old is the case?

00:42:23.000 This piece.

00:42:25.000 At least five, six thousand years, I think I think it potentially quite older and we can get into how old I think.

00:42:30.000 But that's the other challenge that is rarely talked about is the material.

00:42:35.000 Like we we these things are made from granite diorite.

00:42:39.000 Rock crystal, that thing's rock crystal, basically quartz.

00:42:41.000 Um feels so hard.

00:42:43.000 It's insanely hard.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, all these different things.

00:42:46.000 Oh yeah, it's it's yeah, it's it's like I have a granite um mortar and pestle at home.

00:42:52.000 This big heavy thing.

00:42:53.000 It's like I don't need to protect it from anything.

00:42:55.000 Right.

00:42:55.000 I have to protect my counters from it.

00:42:57.000 Because if I just it's gonna destroy anything it hits.

00:42:59.000 And this is so thin.

00:43:01.000 So that's yes, so this is that's the other it's translucent.

00:43:04.000 You hold a light up to it.

00:43:05.000 Even the rock crystal one's translucent.

00:43:07.000 Wow.

00:43:08.000 So that one gets down to about two millimeters thickness just under the lip.

00:43:12.000 Oh wow.

00:43:13.000 Yeah, you put a phone light on it, it's you see it comes right through it.

00:43:16.000 And uh I mean, so with granite and with diorite, and particularly granite, I mean it's essentially a conglomerate, right?

00:43:23.000 So it's you have it's it's not a material that's homogeneous.

00:43:26.000 So inside a granite, you've got silica and horn blend and mica and all these different quartz and you know hence the pattern.

00:43:33.000 Hence the pattern, but also almost microscopically, it changes hardness.

00:43:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:38.000 So some of that stuff is less hard than other bits.

00:43:41.000 And it's the way granite takes millions of years in heat and pressure to bond those things together atomically, and that's the stone we get when it pops up out on the bedrock and we we mine it.

00:43:50.000 But it's it just means that when you're machining a material like granite, it you know, your tool tip is going from stuff that's really hard to softer to hard, and it's like you have to account for that, yet we see this you feel the surface of it.

00:44:02.000 It's phenomenally well polished and finished.

00:44:04.000 I mean, if you were doing this today with a lot of modern tool tips, you'd be ripping chunks of quartz out rather than cutting them.

00:44:10.000 So something that the actual tool tip that made these things we know is also very refined because this is a very difficult substance to choose to work in.

00:44:18.000 No stone sculptor chooses to work in granite unless that's what the project calls for.

00:44:23.000 There's a reason they use marble, is that it's it's both much softer and it's homogeneous, like it's the same material, it doesn't vary in hardness wildly.

00:44:31.000 So making these sort of precision things and and objects out of stuff like granite and getting it down to two millimeters thick, like that other piece near the lip.

00:44:40.000 Yeah.

00:44:41.000 This is crazy.

00:44:42.000 And it's there's even examples that get even thinner than that.

00:44:44.000 Flinders Petrie talked about um a diorite vessel that was one fortieth of an inch thick.

00:44:50.000 About uh the he's he called it the thickness of stout playing card.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, this is it here.

00:44:55.000 Wow, look at the light going through it.

00:44:57.000 That's that's about two millimeters thick.

00:44:58.000 That one's one of Matt Bell's vases.

00:45:00.000 It's my probably my favorite, it's like typically called the thin walled vase, but it's a phenomenal piece.

00:45:06.000 I'm amazed it's actually survived this long.

00:45:08.000 Because it is, that's one of the rare few delicate ones.

00:45:11.000 Um it you could break that because it's so thin.

00:45:13.000 Because that again, with this type of stone, it gets really brittle.

00:45:16.000 And It's like glass, like a cube of glass, bang down on anything.

00:45:19.000 Thin glass shatters.

00:45:21.000 Same as this stone, yet they did this again and again and again and again.

00:45:25.000 How do we know that this is pre-dynastic?

00:45:27.000 Well, from where they're found.

00:45:28.000 I mean, they they're literally found in predynastic burials.

00:45:31.000 This is the real this is why the vases are so important to me.

00:45:35.000 It it's and why I think they're the smoking gun.

00:45:37.000 It's one of the big reasons is that they they're uncontrovertibly or incontrovertibly pre-dynastic because they've been found in burials that are a hundred percent pre-dynastic.

00:45:48.000 Nikata culture, Nakata II.

00:45:49.000 You can go to any museum that has a reasonable collection of these and find them in the pre-dynastic section.

00:45:54.000 All over the There's no debate.

00:45:56.000 Like they're found in these burials and they carbon date the burials or they culture date them, the reference datum to periods of thousands of years prior to the dynastic Egyptian civilization.

00:46:05.000 There's there's good evidence that they may even stretch back as far as twelve to fourteen thousand BC that they're in burials that go back that far in like the like southern Egypt, northern Sudan area.

00:46:16.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:46:17.000 And it's um a lot of those burials, unfortunately today are underwater because of the dam that created like NASA.

00:46:23.000 But either way, it I don't people will debate the how far back they go.

00:46:29.000 It's just not controversial at all to say that they are pre-dynastic.

00:46:32.000 100%.

00:46:33.000 And I think the reason is is that they're this size, right?

00:46:36.000 You can bury this with you.

00:46:39.000 If you have it, then you can be buried with it.

00:46:42.000 You can't do that with a thousand ton statue.

00:46:44.000 Right.

00:46:44.000 It stays on the site.

00:46:46.000 And then maybe someone down the road writes his name on it, like Ramses II or somebody put carves his name into it, and then we come along thousands of years later and say, Oh, Ramses II's name's on that.

00:46:56.000 Therefore, he must have had it made.

00:46:59.000 I mean that's essentially like the one of the core principles of Egyptology.

00:47:02.000 They they do use the writing primarily as a source, not the only source, but they do.

00:47:08.000 And the vases what's the problem with even dating them to those pre-dynastic settlements is that there is nothing about those cultures that indicates they had this capability.

00:47:18.000 Nikada culture and even the ones like Toshka, these older ones, pretty similar in that you're talking like the burials are often like shallow fetal position graves.

00:47:28.000 You find these precision hard stone objects with fishbone combs, sticks and stones, very primitive hand thrown pottery, not even thrown, just hand formed pottery.

00:47:40.000 No other stonework.

00:47:42.000 Um I've seen antiques dealers that that it that are selling these vases because there is a huge there's a lot of these in the in the private market and in uh in private possession because of their size and their availability and this how many there were, because there's hundred like are they illegal to possess?

00:47:57.000 No.

00:47:57.000 No no.

00:47:58.000 So you could get a hold of one of those legally?

00:48:00.000 Yeah, there's I know collectors with like eighty, ninety of them, a hundred of them.

00:48:03.000 What?

00:48:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:04.000 Really?

00:48:05.000 Yeah, yeah, they're on they're on they come up with.

00:48:08.000 There's I would say today there's um easily over a hundred thousand.

00:48:13.000 Hardstone vessels for sure.

00:48:14.000 I mean they found fifty thousand of them in one spot.

00:48:16.000 Like that's the famous discovery at the Steppe Pyramid.

00:48:19.000 But yeah, it's crazy.

00:48:20.000 There's a lot.

00:48:21.000 I think there were even more.

00:48:22.000 Like it this was an indust industry.

00:48:23.000 Like that's the other key.

00:48:25.000 And a lot of these are semi-exotic types of stone too.

00:48:27.000 We don't know where the stone came from.

00:48:29.000 It's not local.

00:48:30.000 In a lot of cases, no.

00:48:31.000 We la like there's lapis uh there's lapis lazuli artifacts that are pre-dynastic, and there's no known quarry for lapis in Egypt.

00:48:39.000 The closest one's Afghanistan. 0.99

00:48:41.000 What?

00:48:42.000 Yeah.

00:48:42.000 Right.

00:48:42.000 Well, there's How far is Afghanistan from Egypt?

00:48:45.000 I don't I mean must be it's right over on the other side of the Middle East, I think, isn't it?

00:48:50.000 It's over towards Yeah, it's up towards Russia and China.

00:48:53.000 It's um show that image again, Jimmy.

00:48:56.000 That you just pulled up?

00:48:57.000 Yeah, well, there's the map.

00:48:58.000 So there well, there's the Fayoon, there's Egypt. 0.99

00:49:01.000 So Turkey, Afghanistan, over here, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan over here, like on the other side of Saudi Arabia and Iran.

00:49:07.000 So you've got to go all the way from around.

00:49:08.000 Oh my god.

00:49:09.000 So that's the nearest lapis quarry.

00:49:11.000 I mean, look, there's a this this is not a problem uh restricted to the vases either.

00:49:15.000 There's a box in the Osiris shaft, which is uh more the box itself, just they say it's what's fourth dynasty.

00:49:21.000 It's made from a stone called Dasite.

00:49:23.000 And again, there's no known quarry in Egypt for Dasite.

00:49:26.000 This happens a lot.

00:49:26.000 So it's all I'm saying.

00:49:29.000 one of the things that freaks me out about the map is when you go out it looks like it was washed over Oh a hundred percent.

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:38.000 I've talked a lot with Randall about this.

00:49:39.000 Look at that.

00:49:40.000 Like go go back out again.

00:49:42.000 Look at that below it.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, the Sahara.

00:49:44.000 That's exactly what it looks like.

00:49:45.000 It looks washed out.

00:49:47.000 It is.

00:49:47.000 That's what it is.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, but that's crazy.

00:49:50.000 Like how much water wash that out.

00:49:52.000 I mean and how else would you get what looks exactly like a water wash out?

00:49:58.000 How else would those features be on the surface?

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:03.000 Yeah, I mean some of those are mountains and mountain ranges, but I can tell you in the desert, not so much.

00:50:09.000 That just looks like channels of like it just looks like an insane amount of water literally washed over the area and smoothed it out.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, I mean there's huge there's a massive amount of evidence for massive uh for giant floods through the Nile Valley as well, not not just across the Sahara, but I mean Petrie was talking about he was up on cliffs, you know, and finding water lines and and and flint points and stuff that were indicative of massive floods.

00:50:32.000 This is Hawara, yeah, this is the labyrinth.

00:50:35.000 Wow.

00:50:35.000 So there's a canal.

00:50:36.000 You see, that's the canal I've been talking the Barwabi Canal.

00:50:39.000 It is it's so crazy that when you get to like sub-Saharan Africa, like how little of that has been explored.

00:50:45.000 And how much of that was like insanely green and fertile.

00:50:49.000 Not that long ago.

00:50:50.000 Well, certainly not thousands of years ago.

00:50:53.000 Well, it it's interesting.

00:50:55.000 I just you know, I did a it's I did this long video on the erosional features of the Giza Plateau.

00:51:02.000 Because last year, 2024, they released a paper that um they I think some geologists um I can't remember the names unfortunately, but they talked about the fact that there was all of the all of the valley temples.

00:51:16.000 So these pyramid, you know, on all these pyramids that are on like what you would call the I mean lower Egypt, so Giza, Abu Rosh, Abusir, Sakara, uh my doom.

00:51:26.000 They all the pyramids aren't just a pyramid, it's a pyramid complex.

00:51:29.000 So it's like you have a pyramid, you've got a structure in front of it, you've got this causeway that runs down to what then they would call a valley temple, a structure that's the end of the causeway.

00:51:37.000 So that's the the the well-known valley temple that's next to the Sphinx is the valley temple for the middle pyramid.

00:51:45.000 Like it's connected by this causeway.

00:51:46.000 Now they figured out that during the African humid period, which ended thousands of years before dynastic Egypt ever started, there was a branch of the river Nile called the Aramat branch that ran exactly where all of these valley temples are.

00:52:02.000 So it's it's like they were it's almost I mean, I just look at it and go, this was built, these were built for that water source because I think it's super I'm very skeptical about the idea of these all of these valley temples, particularly the one that Giza Plateau being used as harbors for like a couple months a year to transport all these blocks from the quarry in Aswan.

00:52:21.000 Again, six hundred miles away, right, for all the granite.

00:52:24.000 And there's thousand tens of thousands of tons, hundreds of thousands of tons of granite on that plateau that had to be transported.

00:52:29.000 I don't think there's the depth there.

00:52:31.000 I've seen pictures and photographs in early times, pre-dam when the Nile flooded, there's ha there's not that much water there.

00:52:37.000 However, during the African humid period, which ended at the latest 6,000 BC, but stretches back thousands and thousands of years before that.

00:52:46.000 That's when the Sahara was a savanna.

00:52:50.000 You had river basins and lakes like lakes and rivers, you had you had it m much more rainfall.

00:52:58.000 And it wasn't like a it wasn't this flood situation.

00:53:01.000 It wasn't this annual inundation.

00:53:03.000 There was just rainfall and there was enough water in that Nile Valley to support this Aramat branch of the Nile, which is was said to be like a mile or two miles wide in some places.

00:53:12.000 So really not like an insignificant waterway.

00:53:15.000 But it was high and it was it was running and and they've traced the path of this Aramat branch, and it turns out all of these valley temples from these pyramid complexes are on its banks.

00:53:23.000 And it wouldn't it's not like it's flooding, it's like there all the time.

00:53:26.000 And and this end this period ends and the you get the desertification of the Sahara starting around six sixty five hundred, six thousand uh BC.

00:53:37.000 And so you know, it's not like until you know if you get five thousand, then four thousand, forty five hundred B. C. Three thousand BC, that's when you sort of that's thirty-one hundred BC is kind of when we say the Egyptian civilization started.

00:53:48.000 So it doesn't make sense to me that if if they built these valley temples and these and these all these structures in like twenty-eight hundred BC.

00:53:56.000 I mean, what do you would you would build it where the river is.

00:53:59.000 Like the river was way down there at that point.

00:54:01.000 Yeah.

00:54:02.000 And so I think what is the response to this?

00:54:04.000 Well, I I just put it in my I mean it's Does anybody try to debunk it?

00:54:08.000 Aaron Ross Powell No, it's a it's a peer-reviewed scientific study.

00:54:11.000 This is what happens in these with a lot of these um these papers, and you you'll see this in it it happens in genetics and the DNA studies that have been done too.

00:54:19.000 You don't these other scientists will not really step on the toes of the archaeologists or the historians, right?

00:54:26.000 They'll they'll present the data but stop from inferring what it could mean for the picture of history.

00:54:32.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:54:32.000 Got it.

00:54:33.000 So they just need to be left to throw the data out there and go, you guys figure it out.

00:54:36.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:54:37.000 And they just whoop hands on the case.

00:54:40.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, they ignore it usually.

00:54:41.000 They're not gonna care. 0.99

00:54:42.000 It's yeah, it's left to like rogue scholars and idiots like me on YouTube or people that write books to really try and put the pieces together. 1.00

00:54:50.000 Dude. 1.00

00:54:50.000 Right? 1.00

00:54:51.000 I mean, thank God there's a place where a video like yours can get millions of views where so many people all around the world can watch that and go.

00:54:51.000 I know.

00:54:59.000 Wait.

00:55:00.000 What's going on, Dell?

00:55:02.000 Like this who really knows?

00:55:04.000 And why do these people why are they so sure?

00:55:08.000 Like, why are they so arrogant in their ideas?

00:55:12.000 Because it's c very clear that the it's not it's there's not a cle you know, like we know civil war ended in 1865, right?

00:55:23.000 It's like it's all written down, everybody knows people were alive.

00:55:27.000 There's like photographs of the soldiers.

00:55:29.000 We're pretty accurate with that.

00:55:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:55:31.000 You get to fucking six thousand BC man, you're just guessing. 0.98

00:55:35.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:55:36.000 It's it's a it's yes, further back you go, the much hazy you can't take.

00:55:42.000 There is way less evidence.

00:55:43.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:55:44.000 Yeah.

00:55:44.000 And it's also it it scares them.

00:55:47.000 Because something like that, if if you really do find advanced structures that are at 6,000 BC.

00:55:53.000 Well you know, before go back Leitepe, we didn't even know that that was even possible.

00:55:56.000 Right.

00:55:57.000 And that's that famous uh conversation that uh happened with Robert Schock and that really arrogant uh archaeologists.

00:56:04.000 Mark Lana.

00:56:05.000 Yes, which is he's laughing.

00:56:07.000 Like, why would you laugh about ancient history, first of all?

00:56:11.000 What ancient civilizations are is that guy still alive?

00:56:15.000 Show me the pot shirts.

00:56:15.000 Lana, yeah.

00:56:17.000 He must feel so stupid now. 1.00

00:56:19.000 Well, yeah. 0.99

00:56:21.000 Someone should show him that video and go, why are you laughing?

00:56:24.000 Like because this is just human ego.

00:56:26.000 This is human ego on display for the world.

00:56:29.000 You want to be the gatekeepers of this information.

00:56:31.000 You want to be the one person or the person that represents this group of human beings that are the scholars that have published work, that have taught at universities, and you're the only ones.

00:56:41.000 You're the only ones that know the the ancient history of Earth, despite the fact that there's people like yourself and Graham Hancock and all who've spent a lot of time and they're very careful about what they say, and spent a lot of time investigating this.

00:56:56.000 And they just want to dismiss those people because they don't have the proper credentials or what are you talking about?

00:57:03.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:57:03.000 Well, it's I think it's yes, that's that's that's exactly what's happening.

00:57:08.000 I think it and it is as a result of the fact that the conversation is getting out of their hands, right?

00:57:14.000 If you one of the things I admire so much about the the f the people who started this what we would call archaeological or Egyptological space, guys like Flinders Petrie, you know, they're very open about what they didn't know.

00:57:28.000 Like one of my like Petrie would tell he talks about the machining marks and you can read between the lines at the wonder at what he's finding, and he's like, I don't get it.

00:57:35.000 Like I don't we can't do it.

00:57:37.000 We don't know how they did it.

00:57:38.000 And this is I think because the conversations happening in those halls of, you know, the academic halls or the geographical club or whatever these pieces get out to the whole thing.

00:57:46.000 And then so that slowly changes with the rise of initially like alternative authors, you know, you you you which best represented by Graham Hancock, a good friend of mine as well.

00:57:46.000 Doesn't get out.

00:57:56.000 And he uh you know, his books and they start to gain in popularity, and now these I guess the people in the in the academic halls of residence that are typically considered the authority are seeing this conversation get out of hand and now you get to YouTube where you know it's it to some extent I think it is possible to do an end run and end run around what they're saying,

00:58:14.000 and I do watch people and there are guys like Flint that are trying to embrace that the new media space and try and get on podcasts and you know, if you read the SAA journals and articles, the Society of American Archaeology, they're literally writing to themselves saying, how can we become more popular in this space and how do we start podcasts and get into it?

00:58:32.000 The problem is they're still doing it the same way.

00:58:34.000 They are and it's like when CNN journalists get fired from CNN and start a podcast and everybody like No.

00:58:40.000 You're doing CNN outside of CNN.

00:58:43.000 They're doing academia, which is like gatekeeping of information and also like pejoratives, mocking.

00:58:43.000 That's what they're doing.

00:58:51.000 Really shitty behavior towards anyone who's outside of it, including calling them racists, calling them white supremacists. 1.00

00:58:58.000 It's it's so dumb. 1.00

00:58:59.000 It's so dumb because one of the dumbest parts about it is no matter what, those are the s the people that lived in Africa. 1.00

00:59:07.000 So no matter what. 0.99

00:59:08.000 No matter what hap nobody whoever built that is people that lived in Africa. 1.00

00:59:08.000 Oh. 1.00

00:59:14.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Like the white supremacy thing makes no sense. 1.00

00:59:18.000 Yeah, it's cra I mean.

00:59:19.000 It's Africans. 1.00

00:59:20.000 It's Africans. 1.00

00:59:21.000 Look, that's the people that were living there.

00:59:23.000 If if humans made it, you know, if you're not in the alien camp, which is a bizarre camp.

00:59:27.000 But if you're not in the I'm in the ancient civilization, incredibly advanced, cataclysmic disaster, wipes them out.

00:59:35.000 Civilization takes a long time to rebuild, finds the remnants of these ancient civilizations, and then sort of claims them over generations.

00:59:43.000 After a thousand years, nobody really knows who fucking built it.

00:59:46.000 And then this is this is where I think we find ourselves. 0.97

00:59:49.000 That's that's where I'm at.

00:59:51.000 But if you're in that camp, you're talking about Africans. 0.99

00:59:55.000 So all these shitty things they do just show their hand. 0.99

00:59:55.000 Yes. 0.99

01:00:00.000 Just show what they're really all about.

01:00:02.000 What you're really all about is silencing anything that really throws a monkey wrench into everything you've been teaching for decades.

01:00:11.000 Like you've claimed that you're the expert.

01:00:13.000 You've claimed arrogantly that you have all the information when you clearly are wrong.

01:00:18.000 That that is what's happening.

01:00:18.000 Absolutely.

01:00:19.000 It's actually I it's a quote that I I steal from my friend Christopher Dunn quite happily, which is you know, you wouldn't trust an archaeologist to design the chair is sitting on, but if it's an ancient chair, he's gonna claim he's the expert on it.

01:00:31.000 And this is what happens.

01:00:31.000 Like this.

01:00:32.000 I I had Joseph Wilson on a podcast talk about he I had this great quote from him, he said, Oh, you know, if just because some engineer's standing there sh you know, shining a laser on a vase, don't let that don't let don't mistake that for him knowing more about the guy who can read hieroglyphs because he can read what they wrote about it and he's the authority on it kind of thing.

01:00:50.000 It's just like you're just dismissing all of these other disciplines that are that I think are required for a true and complete picture of trying to assemble this evidence, right?

01:00:59.000 Like as you say, there's there's very little evident evidence that shows us definitively what happened in the dim dark distant past, but it's you've got to try and make the case for it as best you can, and I think we should try and encompass all of the evidence.

01:01:12.000 And one of the disciplines that's missing from that approach is the engineering stuff, it's the precision stuff, it just gets dismissed out of hand.

01:01:18.000 And yeah, we just because we're not the authority figures on that on that topic, it it just yeah, they ignore it, which is what happens.

01:01:26.000 I don't know how you can ignore the vases, how you can ignore the statues, the symmetry and the construction of the faces.

01:01:33.000 It's it's starting to become a problem.

01:01:33.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:01:35.000 Like they they're trying.

01:01:36.000 And and and even in the past, when when I would guess the mainstream approaches to try and solve, say, some of the machining uh examples, the tubular drills or the saw cuts, I mean, just when you when you dig down into them and the the answers that you get and the explanations that are offered are just they don't hold any water.

01:01:54.000 It's uh they're kind of they're frankly ridiculous.

01:01:56.000 Like, well, the issue with the the drill bits is the revolutions per minute, right?

01:01:59.000 Uh I mean the core.

01:02:02.000 Yeah, well, it's not the revolutions per minute, it's the penetration rate.

01:02:05.000 We don't know how quickly it does.

01:02:07.000 How yes, so how quickly it penetrates into stone.

01:02:10.000 And it it I suspect that it's uh that it was it could have been turning quite slowly, but it's like a one in sixty penetration rate is the rate of the spiral groove on the cores that have been analyzed, particularly Petrie's Court number seven.

01:02:22.000 One in sixty meaning one and so for like if you unwind that circular motion to a straight line, sixty inches horizontal travel, one inch vertical drop.

01:02:32.000 Which is five hundred times greater than how we do it today with modern diamond tipped source wholesals.

01:02:39.000 Which do turn So our modern ones bear in mind they you know, 900 RPM, they'll they'll cut through grant slowly, but it cuts.

01:02:46.000 It grinds more more so than cutting.

01:02:46.000 I mean, no doubt.

01:02:48.000 But yeah, unwinding that spiral and looking at that's what Petrie was first of all, like, how is this possible?

01:02:54.000 His numbers got refined a bit by Chris Dunn, but more or less or one in sixty penetration rate, so it's very difficult to explain.

01:03:00.000 There are multiple cores like this.

01:03:02.000 And this is the This is the other element that I think the vases uh are showing is is that you have a technological link between the vases and these other precision artifacts, the bigger ones that couldn't be buried in these civilizations that to me suggest that they were made with the same technology.

01:03:20.000 Um You see the same machining marks, the same tubular drill marks.

01:03:23.000 So on that quartz piece, if you look on the bottom, you can see the on the inside of it, there's no other side.

01:03:28.000 You see the tool mark?

01:03:29.000 This right here?

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 So this is like that's the tubular drill.

01:03:32.000 So this is that's a a core function of how these vases were made.

01:03:36.000 You would often find So this is the bottom.

01:03:39.000 So they've they've corded that thing out and then they've snapped it off and polished it down, but they didn't eliminate the full tool mark.

01:03:44.000 And you'll see that in a lot of vases.

01:03:46.000 So we know that these tubular drills were used with the vases as well.

01:03:52.000 But you have no idea the power source, no idea what the material was that cut.

01:03:56.000 No.

01:03:57.000 Well, Yeah?

01:03:59.000 So yeah, the vases have big it's become interesting.

01:04:01.000 Uh one of the let me talk about the provenance part first, because that's been the one crit like the the pushback on the vases, this is where it's become a problem is is nobody's really been able to push back on the data.

01:04:14.000 Like the uh the the scientific and the measurement data that's come out, the precision fact, the geometry, there's a whole bunch in the geometry space that that indicates that they are um like designed, they're not just made, they were designed with mathematical and geometrical uh geometric principles in mind.

01:04:32.000 Um they show pi, they show fire, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, all this sort of stuff is in them.

01:04:38.000 Uh no one's pushing back on that.

01:04:39.000 The major uh pushback on the vessels and the the early days of the vase scan project was that oh, these are modern fakes or something, like they're not they're not the real deal because they're not coming from museums, they've been they're modern forgeries, you how can you say they're real.

01:04:52.000 So what's happened in the years since and when I first came on here and talked a little bit about that, that was very much the early days of this project, about two and a half years ago now.

01:05:00.000 Now the the vase scan, and particularly the Artifact Foundation, Adam Young, uh who started this whole thing who owns he actually this is his a copy of his vase.

01:05:10.000 Uh they've been in now four museums around the world.

01:05:12.000 We've scanned pfft close to a hundred vessels from inside of museums with impeccable provenance.

01:05:18.000 Um those results are starting to come out, they're matching the results that we found so far.

01:05:22.000 So the provenance thing is kind of it's that's going away.

01:05:26.000 The people that I think chose to fight on the Hill of Providence have have died on it now.

01:05:30.000 It's they're hundred they are legitimate.

01:05:32.000 And to be fair, you can also find uh vi vessels in private collection with impeccable provenance, just as you can find a lot of vessels in museums that we have no idea where they came from.

01:05:42.000 Um it it's a it's a much it's not as clear as just, well, if it's in a museum, it's we can trust it, and if it's not we can't, it's not like that.

01:05:49.000 But um what else has happened is that there's other as so the the project came out and it gained a lot of interest from really talented people around the world.

01:06:00.000 Um there's been several of those.

01:06:01.000 One of the guys that I've been working with a fair bit lately over the last couple of years, a guy named Doc Dr. Max Zamilov, who's a physicist.

01:06:08.000 I believe he taught for ten years.

01:06:10.000 He's a nuclear physicist, taught for ten years, I think, at Penn State.

01:06:12.000 He's uh he runs his own company now.

01:06:15.000 And I first he reached out to me and actually we took these fragments to his house and I rolled up to his house in Florida and sitting in his living room with two like elect scanning electron microscopes, you know, as you do who who doesn't have two SEMs in their living room.

01:06:29.000 Uh so we we started to do things like look at these pieces through a scanning electron microscope to try and find evidence for the materials that we use to cut them.

01:06:38.000 So you should if these were used with a tool, so that the orthodox explanation being, well, it's a copper tube and it's sand or it's some sort of cutting medium and it's it's it's spun and ground out.

01:06:48.000 You should find traces of copper or whatever that material was in there.

01:06:51.000 We looked at we spent days looking at several pieces, zero, zero copper, like not didn't find any copper.

01:06:58.000 Nothing at all.

01:06:59.000 The nice scanning electron microscope, not only do you get the magnification, but you can focus a beam of electrons onto a particular spot and that backscatter of electrons you can then map out the elemental composition of the material.

01:07:12.000 Can you pause you for a second here?

01:07:13.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 Uh are the oldest tools that they found copper?

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 Copper and stone.

01:07:18.000 So what are the dates of the oldest tools?

01:07:20.000 Well, they go back all the way to to the old kingdom, 26, 27, 2800 BC.

01:07:25.000 Like, yeah, it was it was early days, they were smelting.

01:07:28.000 I mean, obviously the older tools are stone tools, like flint.

01:07:31.000 I mean, a lot of carving.

01:07:32.000 You can carve stone with harder types of stone.

01:07:34.000 So there was definitely flint and things being used.

01:07:37.000 But there's no evidence, like not up until like the very later periods of the Egyptian civilization, is there any significant evidence for iron and things like that.

01:07:45.000 Like it it's pretty much copper and bronze alloys, tin, you know, copper and tin is bronze.

01:07:50.000 Um when they analyze the the traces, there's no copper.

01:07:55.000 We didn't find any copper, but we did find some other stuff, which is very interesting.

01:07:58.000 Well, the most interesting thing we did find was titanium.

01:08:01.000 What?

01:08:02.000 Titanium and titanium alloys with iron.

01:08:05.000 We found iron, zinc, tin, alloys.

01:08:11.000 Titanium, and it's not we've yes.

01:08:11.000 Yeah.

01:08:14.000 So when you find the term alloy, doesn't that refer to something that's smelted.

01:08:19.000 Right.

01:08:20.000 That's been put together.

01:08:21.000 In fact, you and you know titanium as we know it as a metal doesn't exist naturally.

01:08:21.000 Exactly.

01:08:25.000 So it's in in nature it's titanium dioxide that is found in rocks.

01:08:30.000 This was not titanium dioxide that we were looking at because you see a again that the SEM gives you the spectrum, right?

01:08:36.000 So you would see oxygen and titanium together.

01:08:39.000 We didn't see that.

01:08:40.000 And in fact, I did a I have it I have a video on this and it's we found a piece actually, like a small, maybe twenty, thirty micron wide piece embedded in one of those grooves uh in a tool tip that looked like an embedded piece, it shines up very brightly.

01:08:55.000 When you see metals and on this in the SEM, it's like a bright spot and you can aim it at it and it was just straight titanium.

01:09:01.000 And it looked like a small piece of a tool that had been wedged in there.

01:09:04.000 And I mean, look, in the in our modern times, I mean I think titanium was discovered even in the late 1800s.

01:09:10.000 It wasn't used outside of laboratories until the nineteen thirties as a material.

01:09:16.000 But it there seems to be evidence that there's some titanium use back here.

01:09:22.000 No, it I wouldn't w I know Max is trying to work on that.

01:09:25.000 I would it was not a systematic search.

01:09:28.000 We spent days, like a couple of days, and it's we didn't do like a systematic grid search, like even in one of those pieces you could spend it would take you a long time to just map it properly.

01:09:38.000 Right.

01:09:38.000 Like to scan the whole thing.

01:09:40.000 But uh it's a play with devil's advocate, would that be evidence of a lack of a chain of custody that perhaps someone was using titanium to see if they could cut it?

01:09:51.000 Uh yes, it could it could be uh contamination.

01:09:55.000 So we looked for signs of contamination.

01:09:57.000 Um I didn't this didn't seem like contamination.

01:10:00.000 In fact, at the end of at the end of when we'd finished scanning, we actually took he had some titanium darts, like he was we we put some on one of the pieces and put it in to see what that would look like.

01:10:11.000 Just these like a tiny like just like literally a uh a matchstick and just the tiniest and just tapped it and then looked at that under the microscope to look at what contaminated it this didn't seem to be contamination.

01:10:20.000 You can't rule it out.

01:10:22.000 Uh there's it's we found other types of metals as well.

01:10:26.000 So it didn't seem to be contamination.

01:10:27.000 What is the reason why it didn't seem to be that?

01:10:29.000 Well, because it didn't it so we looked at what contamination would look like?

01:10:33.000 Well, so it's like smaller specs where you can actually see the material.

01:10:37.000 The one piece that we found it seemed to be embedded in the stone.

01:10:40.000 Like it was as if something like this tiniest fragment of the tool of some sort of if imagine it was a tool tip, wedged itself in the stone and then it stayed there, but it's it was only like twenty or thirty microns wide, which is pretty big under a scanning electron microscope.

01:10:54.000 Um but that was the only piece of titanium you didn't.

01:10:57.000 We found other other specs of it, and then occasionally it'd be titanium and iron mixed together.

01:11:02.000 And then we we also found specks of like zinc, um zircon and tin.

01:11:07.000 And then various combinations.

01:11:09.000 I honestly I I think it's it's grounds for more investigation.

01:11:13.000 I I think the most significant thing was the no copper thing.

01:11:17.000 Like it's that's like alright, no copper.

01:11:19.000 Like that that to me was the biggest takeaway.

01:11:21.000 The fact that we found some other elements and pieces of what let's say questionable provenance.

01:11:26.000 I know these are legitimate pieces from these vessels.

01:11:29.000 Ideally the best thing if we could this would I'd love to work with the Egyptians to do something like this because I know there are fragments of vessels in the steppe pyramid, and it's there's hundred thousands of them down there still.

01:11:40.000 In fact, like the last time we got down to the very bottom level, which is you're a special permission required to get into the Steppe Pyramid, and then even then they generally won't let you down to the bottom level, there's another ladder and thirty feet down to the big bottom level.

01:11:53.000 It goes down further, but it hits the water table again.

01:11:56.000 Um but in one of these corners in this very bottom level, you're like 150, 200 feet under the Steppe Pyramid.

01:12:02.000 We found a a wall, and it was a collapsed it must have been a collapsed magazine of these vessels, and this is the place where they found fifty thousand of them originally, like um Jean-Philippe Loyer in the nineteen thirties found this huge cache of these vessels there.

01:12:17.000 And in this wall, it's an incredible little video.

01:12:20.000 I've not published it.

01:12:21.000 I mean, I do want to talk about it, but you could you literally see that it's like a wall of dirt of of not rock but but dirt, and in the wall there's like fragments of vessels because it it had been a a a cache of them that there's something, a tunnel had collapsed and it did crush them.

01:12:34.000 So you've got these like pieces of worked granite or diorite or whatever just in the wall.

01:12:38.000 So I'd that would be interesting if you could go down there and like get their permission to say, well, let's sample.

01:12:44.000 You because you have then, you know, you've you've basically got it in its original environment from dynastic Egypt and put it in a ziploc or whatever, just keep it, don't mess with it. 0.54

01:12:52.000 Right.

01:12:52.000 Clear chain of evidence.

01:12:53.000 Clear chain of evidence and then scan it.

01:12:55.000 So I think it's an interesting observation.

01:12:57.000 They found on that. 1.00

01:12:58.000 Holy shit. 0.73

01:12:59.000 I think the Russian there's a Russian group that did something similar, and they also found a metals like I think they found titanium as well, L.A. H the laboratory of alternative history is the same as the colour. 0.97

01:13:08.000 How is titanium made?

01:13:10.000 Uh it's a smelting process from titanium dioxide.

01:13:13.000 I don't know the the specifics of it.

01:13:15.000 But it you have to take that titanium dioxide and I assume smelt it down or do something like it.

01:13:20.000 Again, it took us up until you know 1930s to use it at just anywhere outside of labs.

01:13:26.000 So it's super interesting.

01:13:28.000 But that's I wouldn't even say that's the most interesting thing Max found.

01:13:33.000 So he's a crazy dude's an interesting guy.

01:13:35.000 He's, you know, he's he's doing fusion experiments in his spare bedroom.

01:13:39.000 It's got like this exp apparatus surrounded by boxes of borax and bore on the stomach.

01:13:45.000 Ten foot Tesla.

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 So he took So get then this this is this sort of ties back to the tool marks.

01:13:54.000 It ties back to a question you asked me when I was here last, which is what's my wildest speculation.

01:13:58.000 I actually have some now, which is based on some evidence in its early days.

01:14:02.000 He has published on this on his website, but he took precision vases, he took base rock samples of the rock that these were made from from the place.

01:14:11.000 I actually got him a piece of basalt.

01:14:13.000 Uh he took non-precision vases and he put them in a germanium detector basically to look at the radioactive and the the isotope sort of baseline radiation of these pieces, and it turns out the precision vases are radioactive.

01:14:28.000 They're they're two to three times he he's tested several.

01:14:33.000 Relative to the base rock samples and the non-precision vases, they have two to three times the thorium decay products in them.

01:14:41.000 All of them so far.

01:14:43.000 And in fact, that piece right there has a he said has a the the quartz piece or the crystal piece has a notable cesium-137 signature in it as well.

01:14:51.000 Um that's an interesting nuclear titanium.

01:14:58.000 Could be.

01:14:59.000 I don't know about that.

01:15:01.000 But it's so he's look, it's again early days.

01:15:03.000 But he's he has published it on his website, the findings, and he is he's obtaining more equipment to do more testing, some more in-depth testing that he will be much more definitive about.

01:15:13.000 He did say take some recently to the Petrie Museum in London to test some of their artifacts.

01:15:18.000 But it's a very interesting result.

01:15:21.000 This th this has to have been something that irradiated these vessels that give them that signature even after however many thousands of years with the half-life.

01:15:28.000 Again, we're comparing it to the base rock samples and the non-precision vases, which hap- they're just like that's nothing.

01:15:35.000 And they're not dangerous or anything, it's just the it's just above a baseline.

01:15:38.000 But two to three times.

01:15:39.000 So something happened to them.

01:15:40.000 And one of his hypotheses, which is very interesting, is a concept called nuclear machining.

01:15:47.000 So he's he actually this is not a new idea, it's not something we've figured out how to do as a civilization yet.

01:15:54.000 We're on that path, but you you can if you take his theory is something like palladium or another like radioactive material that is a strong alpha or beta particle admitter that you could put on a tool.

01:16:08.000 It would ablate either in neutrons or it's blasting electrons or something.

01:16:12.000 It would ablate the stone surface away in such a way that would you could carve this stone with ease.

01:16:18.000 Kind of like a lightsaber, basically.

01:16:20.000 And and it would also leave a signature in the stone. 1.00

01:16:24.000 And you fuck, yeah. 1.00

01:16:25.000 And you take it back to that to that penetration rate of that spiral tube drill. 1.00

01:16:29.000 Yeah.

01:16:30.000 It's not all we can say about things like that spiral tube drill and the other thing the other uh striations and tool marks is look, it's not it doesn't seem to be the same thing we do to the stone, and it's certainly not primitive.

01:16:42.000 It's not something you can do just by hand.

01:16:44.000 So is anybody the cores has anybody tested the radioactive levels of the core?

01:16:49.000 I think he he I don't know.

01:16:50.000 He might have tested the cores when he was there recently.

01:16:53.000 I'll have I'll talk to him, I was talking to him to this morning.

01:16:55.000 Um I can ask him about the core, that's a great question.

01:16:59.000 Because that would it's this if it was the process, it should show something similar, if that's indeed the process.

01:17:05.000 The look, the other possibility is okay, they weren't machined with this method, but these were used in some method.

01:17:12.000 The other the other theory he has that these may have been part of a process for enriching material for some other nuclear use, or they were part of a system that that used nuclear material.

01:17:25.000 Somehow or another.

01:17:28.000 It's I mean it's not too much, but it's too much, like it's too crazy.

01:17:32.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 It's so crazy.

01:17:34.000 But also, like when you do see some of the sculptures that look 3D printed and you go, uh well, okay.

01:17:42.000 Now it kind of at least makes a little sense.

01:17:46.000 See, if we knew for sure that there was a cataclysm and a lost civilization, that civilization had achieved some immense heights of technological sophistication in a completely different pathway than we've done in modern times.

01:18:02.000 If we knew that for sure, then everything would be so easy.

01:18:05.000 You'd go, okay, well, clearly they were doing something.

01:18:08.000 What were they doing?

01:18:09.000 But instead, we deny that possibility.

01:18:12.000 So by closing off that door, now you're left with nonsense. 1.00

01:18:16.000 You're left with s sand and copper and it's dumb. 1.00

01:18:20.000 I agree. 0.99

01:18:21.000 I yeah, I agree. 0.98

01:18:22.000 I think it's something fucking crazy happened. 0.98

01:18:25.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 0.99

01:18:25.000 Yes. 0.99

01:18:26.000 I I's I think there is that this is I try to follow the evidence where it leads.

01:18:33.000 That's all we're doing here with I mean, I'm quoting what Max has said about it with this nuclear machining hypothesis.

01:18:39.000 A lot more study needs to happen.

01:18:40.000 The nuclear machining hypothesis, if sorry to interrupt you, but if you go a thousand years from now, for sure we're gonna have that.

01:18:45.000 Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, that's that's yes.

01:18:47.000 You ha I'd like to put that the same context in these arguments forward as well.

01:18:52.000 It's like we just don't to me the answer is you know, we we tend to look at the past and and it it always has to be this subset of what we know, right?

01:18:59.000 But it's like if you look at the history of knowledge and technology, give us fifty thousand, fifty years, a thousand years, fifty thousand years, you know that there's more out here to the sides that we're gonna learn.

01:19:09.000 Right.

01:19:09.000 So that means there are realms of science and technology that we don't know anything about.

01:19:13.000 I think I think if we were a bit more open-minded about investigating some of these mysteries of the past with some of these inexplicable characteristics, the precision or the machining, the engineering things, how we s how the stone was cut.

01:19:27.000 I think some of those answers could lay in those realms of the unknown.

01:19:30.000 And by being open-minded about them and by investigating them with all of our capability, we might even end up learning something about them, which is what we're doing.

01:19:40.000 Like the vase scan project, we are learning the depths of precision in some of the machining aspects of it.

01:19:46.000 And and Max is starting to learn, like, okay, there's some weird like radioactive characteristics of these things.

01:19:51.000 Let's let's let's try and look at more and figure out some more.

01:19:54.000 I mean, we can speculate a bit now, and I want to be clear, this is all very speculative at this point.

01:19:59.000 Lots more testing and data is required to to even shore up some of these theories about these possibilities.

01:20:05.000 But the fact remains they could be they are possibilities.

01:20:08.000 Right.

01:20:09.000 And it's also this assumption that there's been a lineal path, a linear path of progression.

01:20:14.000 Always.

01:20:15.000 But that's not that's not even the case today, right?

01:20:18.000 You can go to uh ancient sites, whether it is in Mexico or even in Greece, and you see really shitty construction right next to the Parthenon.

01:20:30.000 Yep.

01:20:30.000 Right?

01:20:31.000 I mean the Acropolis and the Parthenon is right next to crappy apartment buildings.

01:20:35.000 They're really close, right?

01:20:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:37.000 That's a decay.

01:20:39.000 You can't do that why didn't you do that?

01:20:42.000 Do that again. 0.95

01:20:43.000 Like this.

01:20:44.000 Yeah, it's huge.

01:20:44.000 It's it's something there's something weird.

01:20:47.000 There's something weird going on.

01:20:48.000 And this is like two thousand years ago, where we knew who they were.

01:20:52.000 We know the people we know they did it.

01:20:54.000 Like amazing precision, amazing construction methods, incredible art, incredible engineering and architecture, right?

01:21:01.000 Yes.

01:21:02.000 And all understandable, but yet more advanced than the techniques utilized in 2025 in the exact same area.

01:21:12.000 Which is weird.

01:21:14.000 So that just that's without a cataclysm.

01:21:14.000 Right?

01:21:17.000 Aaron Ross Powell Right.

01:21:17.000 Well, yeah, it's it's also it's a nice criticism of modern architecture to be to be fair.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:22.000 I mean you could don't even go back two thousand years, just go back to like the Gothic era with the churches and the cathedrals.

01:21:26.000 I mean, Jesus, why don't we build like that anymore?

01:21:28.000 Good point.

01:21:28.000 Right, right.

01:21:28.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:21:29.000 So you see a decline, at least in craftsmanship that can be attributed to a changing of cultures and but this assumption that there's always this linear path of progression, and if you go back, they were dumb. 1.00

01:21:41.000 You go back far enough, they were dumber. 0.99

01:21:43.000 But that doesn't seem to be the case here. 0.99

01:21:45.000 And Egypt is the best example. 0.99

01:21:48.000 It is.

01:21:49.000 Like explain that.

01:21:51.000 Dude, exactly.

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:52.000 And it's one of the biggest it's if if anyone it's one of the biggest contradictions about Egypt is exactly it's a technological progression.

01:21:59.000 I mean, you're talking about a dynastic Egypt civil Egyptian civilization at least three thousand years, right?

01:22:05.000 So three thousand years.

01:22:06.000 But if you look at it from a technological progression perspective, it's almost like they went backwards the whole time.

01:22:13.000 I mean, you have you have the emergence all of a sudden of this culture and language, like they're gods that one of the craziest things about ancient Egypt is this emergence of hieroglyphs, just boom, here it is.

01:22:23.000 Here's this like it's this complex, extremely complicated language, cultural system, gods and everything pops out of nowhere.

01:22:31.000 It's pretty consistent.

01:22:32.000 It evolves over time.

01:22:33.000 It doesn't really it doesn't change that much.

01:22:36.000 I mean, cuneiform in um Sumaria, there's there's a clear progressive path where we can see it being developed.

01:22:42.000 We don't have that that's not the case for ancient Egypt.

01:22:44.000 And then it's all of the best stuff is the oldest.

01:22:48.000 It's the biggest stonework, the valley temple, the 2,500 tons of granite in the king's chamber structure that's that's in the Great Pyramid.

01:22:57.000 The Great Pyramid itself, these things are amongst the very first pyramids ever said to have been built.

01:23:02.000 Yet progressively as you go forward in time, I mean they just they they get to mud brick pyramids.

01:23:07.000 It's almost like it's you're going backwards.

01:23:09.000 And there's just you know, they technologically speaking, it doesn't seem like they progress very far.

01:23:14.000 So I think there's another interpretation for that data, one that fits the evidence a little better, which is that I yeah, I think they got a kick start, they got a head start, they inherited an awful lot of objects.

01:23:25.000 We know for sure these precision objects were around before the ancient Egyptians.

01:23:30.000 They don't match even the cultures that predated them. 0.74

01:23:33.000 We have no idea where they got them from.

01:23:35.000 They I don't think they made them.

01:23:36.000 We don't know how old they really are.

01:23:38.000 And I think there's a lot of other artifacts and architecture on these sites that they match these, like technologically speaking, there's a link, the same tools, the same precision, we're seeing that. 0.66

01:23:48.000 Yet these are massive artifacts, sometimes like a thousand-ton statue that you can't bury with you, it stays on this site, it gets inherited, it gets renovated, it gets reused, eventually you get kings with hubris and arrogance, guys like Ramses II that says, you know, carve my name three inches deep onto that sucker. 0.87

01:24:05.000 Right. 0.94

01:24:05.000 It's gonna be me. 0.94

01:24:06.000 I want to be part of the gods.

01:24:07.000 These are the, you know, I want to tie myself to the ancients.

01:24:11.000 And the really crazy thing is that doesn't often get admitted is that this is literally what the ancient Egyptians themselves said.

01:24:19.000 They called themselves a legacy culture.

01:24:21.000 They trace their own history back 40,000 years.

01:24:25.000 They have a list of kings.

01:24:26.000 They have a they they talk about these different eras of time.

01:24:29.000 The Shem Suha, the followers of Horus was this 12,000 year period where these mythical semi-divine beings walk the earth. 0.75

01:24:36.000 You can talk about kings and rulers and that, and then before that you have Zeptepi when the gods themselves walk the earth, and they trace their own history way back uh into those eras.

01:24:46.000 That's some stuff that I brought up with Zahi.

01:24:48.000 And he was like, what is this?

01:24:51.000 He just he got very mad.

01:24:53.000 It's funny.

01:24:54.000 I'm uh reading where I'm listening uh to the book of Enoch right now.

01:24:58.000 Okay. 0.99

01:24:59.000 Yeah, that's some wild shit too. 0.99

01:25:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:02.000 It's so wild.

01:25:05.000 What are you saying?

01:25:06.000 Like gods, the watchers came down and and mated with women of Earth and created uh Nephilim or the naphilim, like what are you saying? 0.79

01:25:18.000 Like what what were you trying to say?

01:25:22.000 Thousands of years ago when they wrote this down, in you know, and the version I think that we're getting this from is uh from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is uh from Qumran.

01:25:33.000 So how how long did they write it down before that?

01:25:37.000 Like how how long did they discuss this?

01:25:39.000 How long ago did this happen?

01:25:40.000 And what are you saying?

01:25:41.000 Like what what were they trying to record?

01:25:45.000 Yeah.

01:25:46.000 And why does it match up with what they're saying in Egypt?

01:25:49.000 The gods walking amongst us?

01:25:52.000 Right.

01:25:53.000 It's it's it goes to some wild places.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:56.000 I know.

01:25:57.000 It gets so squirrely.

01:25:58.000 And that's where you get into the alien camp.

01:26:00.000 Well, that forty forty meter tic-tac shaped metallic objects.

01:26:03.000 Yeah.

01:26:04.000 What is that thing?

01:26:05.000 Well.

01:26:07.000 We don't know.

01:26:08.000 Imagine if it's titanium.

01:26:10.000 Could be.

01:26:10.000 He said it didn't match any signature that he'd seen before.

01:26:13.000 That's crazy in and of itself.

01:26:15.000 It's one of the things I'll remember always about when you were sitting here talking to Bob Lazar and he said that some of those craft came from archaeological digs.

01:26:22.000 I mean part of his story.

01:26:24.000 There's long been rumors of that type of stuff in you know, in uh Under the ground in Egypt.

01:26:31.000 I don't I'm not saying that's what it is, but this is what yeah, this is what Tim said it be.

01:26:35.000 Amazing.

01:26:36.000 It would be.

01:26:38.000 All layers converge at a central corridor avenue, like the atrium of shopping mall where you can see all floors from one bandage point.

01:26:45.000 My personal interpretation is that this entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned freestanding object about 40 meters long.

01:26:55.000 The central object is hard to classify.

01:26:57.000 It appears metallic, not stone or wood.

01:26:59.000 I named it Dippy after the giant diplotica skeleton in the Hintsey Hall of London's is that I say that right?

01:27:06.000 Yeah, hints, I think.

01:27:07.000 Hintz.

01:27:07.000 Hall of London's natural history musician uh museum.

01:27:11.000 It could be anything, its shape resembles those tic-tac hard mints.

01:27:15.000 It might also be an upright disc or even a colossal Shen ring.

01:27:19.000 And what is a Shen ring?

01:27:20.000 It's like the cartouche.

01:27:22.000 You know that the thing around a cartoon.

01:27:23.000 Oh wow.

01:27:24.000 Big object alone raises profound questions.

01:27:26.000 How did it get there?

01:27:27.000 Why is it there?

01:27:28.000 A more speculative theory is that it's some kind of portal.

01:27:31.000 Oh boy.

01:27:32.000 Now we're going we're going full tinfoil.

01:27:35.000 Either interdimensional or interstellar.

01:27:38.000 A stargate.

01:27:39.000 Its material signature is like unlike anything I've seen in my entire career, but it's there undeniably there.

01:27:46.000 I'll let the future find out what Dippy is, Tim Acres.

01:27:50.000 Well that's he went full art bell right there.

01:27:53.000 He did.

01:27:53.000 Interdimensional or interstellar.

01:27:56.000 Hey.

01:27:57.000 Look, the Egyptians talk about Stargates.

01:28:00.000 Do they?

01:28:00.000 Dude, go to uh where is it?

01:28:02.000 Um Dendera. 0.86

01:28:04.000 There's actually a couple places.

01:28:06.000 The literal translation.

01:28:07.000 You can read it on the walls.

01:28:09.000 I always show people when we go there.

01:28:10.000 Uh it is there are two or three depictions of Stargates.

01:28:14.000 That is the literal translation for it, showing a constellation with a gate and it's a specific constellation a couple of different types.

01:28:21.000 They're all on different constellations.

01:28:22.000 Where can I find that?

01:28:23.000 Where can I see this?

01:28:24.000 Uh it's there's pictures of Stargates from Den and Dendera Temple.

01:28:27.000 I think it's in the upper rooms.

01:28:28.000 Um the zodiac.

01:28:31.000 So that's actually that the Dendera is incredible.

01:28:33.000 Like it it is a it is a star-oriented temple.

01:28:36.000 There's massive depictions of the zodiac.

01:28:39.000 And this is all you know, redone from older versions of the same temple, but that is the translation of that what's on the wall with the constellation and the gate, and it it literally translates as Stargate.

01:28:51.000 Uh that is part of it.

01:28:53.000 So well that that's I mean the ceiling is the zodiac.

01:28:55.000 Well, you you even have depictions of like solar boats going up to the moon at Dendera.

01:29:00.000 Randall loves that temple.

01:29:01.000 He I have sent him a lot of footage from that temple.

01:29:05.000 No, it's it's uh it's actually I don't know.

01:29:09.000 There's a you'd have to look up the Den yeah, just Stargate Glyph, maybe at Dendera.

01:29:16.000 Yeah, glyph, you I'll tell you if you see it.

01:29:22.000 No.

01:29:23.000 I don't see the exact one.

01:29:24.000 But it's not I mean it it's literally a cluster of stars that represents a constellation behind it.

01:29:29.000 This is killing me.

01:29:32.000 I know I I probably have it on my hard drive uh Do you have it with you?

01:29:36.000 It's in my on my laptop if you want to see it after yes.

01:29:39.000 Yeah, your laptop's out there.

01:29:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:40.000 All right, go grab it.

01:29:41.000 We'll pause.

01:29:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:42.000 You sure?

01:29:43.000 Not on what you gave me.

01:29:44.000 Not on what you did.

01:29:46.000 Oh, you got it.

01:29:47.000 I'm gonna try and find it.

01:29:48.000 I'll try and find it.

01:29:49.000 All right.

01:29:49.000 Okay.

01:29:49.000 All right, we'll be right back, folks.

01:29:51.000 Okay, so we found it from a video from uh Trevor Grassi on YouTube.

01:29:56.000 Uh the video is titled Hieroglyphic Proof of Stargate Technology with uh Mohammed Ibrahim Mike Rick.

01:30:05.000 Rick Secker, Rick Secker, and Trevor Grassi.

01:30:08.000 So this is what we're looking at.

01:30:12.000 See, it's like there's a glyph.

01:30:13.000 You can see the star and there's a gate.

01:30:15.000 Actually, try and find one of the other pictures maybe.

01:30:18.000 The stars, the circle, that's what the star is supposed to be?

01:30:21.000 Yeah, that's the the star on the right.

01:30:22.000 No no on the far right.

01:30:24.000 Yeah, there's a hieroglyph.

01:30:25.000 Um again, yeah, stargate.

01:30:27.000 It's the you see the gate and then the star, and then I assume that that crooked uh hook or whatever is part of this as well.

01:30:34.000 Oh, I see.

01:30:34.000 So it's what how the way you translate the hieroglyph.

01:30:39.000 Yes.

01:30:40.000 Mohammed Ibrahim, who I know quite well as well, he's he's very good at translating these um these glyphs.

01:30:46.000 We we when I travel in Egypt, we usually go with uh Professor Mohammed Jabra, who's one of I would say top four or five in the world for reading hieroglyphs.

01:30:53.000 You can just read whatever's on the wall and tell you about it.

01:30:55.000 He travels with us on these tours, it's phenomenal.

01:30:57.000 He just shows us this.

01:30:59.000 There's probably some better uh pictures of ones with the actual constellations up at Dendera if they get into that one where they were standing next to each other, go back a little.

01:31:10.000 Where is it?

01:31:11.000 No, back a little.

01:31:12.000 Yeah, there they're talking about.

01:31:15.000 You see the stars, the the stars above the gates.

01:31:19.000 So it's there's literally different the these these and with the words they do they relate to specific uh constellations.

01:31:25.000 This is in the the top, the um what's the zodiac room at uh at Dendera where they they have a replica of the circular zodiac on the ceiling.

01:31:33.000 The the French have the original, but this is original hieroglyphs and it is the translation of this is literally Stargate for these constellations.

01:31:40.000 That say what it is.

01:31:42.000 Bananas.

01:31:43.000 And what are these constellations supposed to be?

01:31:46.000 I don't know off the top of my head.

01:31:49.000 We do tell people when we when we uh get into it.

01:31:51.000 I there is Yeah, I I could find out, but I don't know off the top of my head, I'm sorry.

01:31:56.000 Click that with that one that you just had there, Jeremy.

01:31:58.000 No, no, no, no.

01:31:59.000 Well you just at all Yeah, right there.

01:32:02.000 So gates.

01:32:03.000 They same similar again, the gate with the crooked hook and the star.

01:32:09.000 That's bananas.

01:32:10.000 Yeah.

01:32:11.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 So when they're referring to a stargate, are they saying in any way what it what that means?

01:32:19.000 No.

01:32:20.000 No, it's it's I mean, they would I mean most of the the interpretations these days would tell you that it's always symbolic.

01:32:26.000 I mean, they do look at like the the Osiris and the the you know the the constellations in the sky as being connected to the duat or uh to Nut, like this this the dua being the this space and Nut the goddess who is the sky, and you you know it's all part of that passage from the of the soul going into the realms of immortal of the immortal that happens after death.

01:32:48.000 So this is the you know, this symbolic interpretation that we that we that we give it all.

01:32:53.000 We say, Oh, this is none of this.

01:32:55.000 It's it sort of falls into this category, a little bit of like everything is symbolic, everything is ceremonial, nothing is functional.

01:33:02.000 I you know, I I I'm fascinated by these temples because it goes back to something you were saying earlier.

01:33:09.000 Uh and I I use this analogy to kind of set the stage for it.

01:33:12.000 Imagine again, imagine if younger drives happened to us tomorrow or whatever, right?

01:33:15.000 Hope Touchwood doesn't.

01:33:17.000 But say it wipes out civilization, but we survive as humans. 0.50

01:33:21.000 Within what, two, three generations, we're sitting around campfires telling stories about fucking these things that were like a black rock, and it's just and you you you know, it's like or plasma TVs, but you say, look, if you get this shiny black rock, you know, you can get answers from the ancestors. 0.61

01:33:39.000 You you will know everything. 0.81

01:33:40.000 You can talk to anything, you can see anything.

01:33:42.000 You can ask a question.

01:33:43.000 You can ask it questions.

01:33:44.000 And maybe you go and you start getting black rocks and making them like this, and you start dancing around the fire, you start ritualizing this memory of technology.

01:33:53.000 Now if you take that concept, like say there's a cataclysm and now there's people that remember and they tell these stories, the stories get passed down.

01:34:02.000 Now imagine there's a civilization that comes up and in and it goes through thousands of years of uh structuring those legends and stories of technology.

01:34:13.000 That goes through just distortions and representations and symbolism, but it's it's just twisting all of these stories into this iconography and this complex symbolism that we then I think we go to a temple in Egypt that was made in the Ptolemaic era or whatever, and it's you see things on the wall.

01:34:31.000 And I I I think there's a great way to interpret some of those symbols and some of the paintings to say that well, is this actually an echo of something that was functional or is an echo of of technology.

01:34:42.000 Like i every staff that you see has a tuning fork on the bottom of it.

01:34:47.000 Every single one on these walls, it's always got a tuning fork on it.

01:34:50.000 What's that what's that all about?

01:34:53.000 Tuning fork, like a little little like a tuning fork.

01:34:56.000 Yeah, all of the staffs with the was head that means power.

01:34:59.000 Like it literally the interpretation of this symbol is power on top of the staff, and that every single one of them has a tuning fork on the colour.

01:35:04.000 Can we see an image of that?

01:35:05.000 And you can look up um any of the temples in Egypt and and like the depictions of gods with staffs that and they're and they're touching or they're giving like the the uh the Jed pillar or the you know the the unk, which is Jed pillar is stability.

01:35:05.000 Yeah.

01:35:20.000 Uh the unk is life, the was is power.

01:35:23.000 So in a lot of cases these gods are granting kings, you know, life, stability, and power, or sometimes just life and power.

01:35:29.000 But um what are those depictions of these enormous cynical cylindrical things that they're holding that look almost like one of those being clubs, yeah.

01:35:41.000 Like that one there, that's the that's uh like the Jed pillar here. 0.93

01:35:44.000 Yeah, what the hell is that?

01:35:45.000 That's a great uh image.

01:35:47.000 That literally is uh the symbol for um stability.

01:35:52.000 That thing down is what I was talking about there.

01:35:54.000 Oh the uh the the the quote unquote light bulbs, yes at Dendera Temple.

01:35:57.000 And see, there's a Jed pillar there too with the hand, so the Jed pillar is is stabilizing it with its hands.

01:36:02.000 Right.

01:36:03.000 And you're on a boat, you're actually part of this is on a boat.

01:36:05.000 It looks like some kind of technology.

01:36:07.000 So you know what's crazy about this?

01:36:08.000 So again, we get down into this.

01:36:09.000 This is in a um in a crypt at Dendera.

01:36:13.000 You have to like crawl through a hole and get it's like in the inside wall, it's amazing because the Christians and the they couldn't they didn't get into the crypt, so they couldn't deface the glyphs like a lot of the glyphs are defaced. 1.00

01:36:22.000 Look at that guy, he looks like an air traffic controller.

01:36:24.000 Well he's like a reptilian too. 0.61

01:36:25.000 He's that frog dude with um knives.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, what is that, dude?

01:36:28.000 With a tail. 1.00

01:36:29.000 Does he have a fucking tail? 1.00

01:36:30.000 Yeah, he does. 1.00

01:36:31.000 He does look like a rap he was like a giant frog mount.

01:36:33.000 Yeah.

01:36:34.000 Wow.

01:36:35.000 So what's crazy about there is a whole story about this that is written on the walls.

01:36:39.000 And again, this is thanks to my friend Yusuf uh Awan, who I who I guide with and then um, you know, Professor Jabra who can interpret this.

01:36:47.000 And we I actually I'm gonna do a video about this soon.

01:36:50.000 Because what he is saying about this crypt is that there was it it tells you on the wall that there was a physical version of that thing in that crypt.

01:36:57.000 That was he said it was made from mostly gold and it was the span of like a dude with his arms out, like a the span of a human wingspan, basically.

01:37:05.000 I found I was stumbling across something there called it Electrum.

01:37:08.000 There was these two uh there's a still these three point three ton uh obelisk that were made out of a metal called electronic gold and gold and silver.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, electrons golden.

01:37:19.000 So they definitely used gold and silver.

01:37:21.000 A lot of the obelisks had electrum uh tips, they think great for conductivity.

01:37:26.000 Oh, it's fantastic.

01:37:26.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really the only good reason to have it other than looking good.

01:37:31.000 Other than ball and that yeah, other than ballin, which they were balling, which trust me.

01:37:31.000 Right, yeah.

01:37:36.000 A little bit of a sidetrack, but when you're talking about the nuclear stuff, I found these stories of uh the ocla mine and gabon, which is uh nuclear natural nuclear reactor.

01:37:46.000 Reactor.

01:37:47.000 Whoa.

01:37:48.000 That is very four billion years old and a hundred thousand working.

01:37:52.000 Oldest nuclear reactor in history.

01:37:54.000 Uh uranium from it.

01:37:55.000 Oh, okay.

01:37:55.000 It's in ri it's enriching uranium.

01:37:59.000 Yeah, imagine if it's it's in Africa, so I don't know if that was the only place they've ever found.

01:38:04.000 That makes sense.

01:38:05.000 Right?

01:38:05.000 And then Africa.

01:38:06.000 Is there something like that in um Afghanistan where this stone came from?

01:38:12.000 Oh the the lapis lazuli and everything else.

01:38:14.000 I I don't know.

01:38:15.000 I mean, I s I assume that I I would be I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing is happening somewhere in the in the mass of uranium in Australia either, because that's like one of the world's biggest um uranium deposits.

01:38:25.000 I imagine if it's enough mass of you I think it's uranium-238 and they're trying to get no two three five to get to two three eight or the other way around.

01:38:31.000 But if there's enough mass and neutrons hitting each other, it might be enriching it somehow.

01:38:35.000 I think that's probably what's happening there.

01:38:37.000 I'm no nuclear scientist, so let's go back to those uh hieroglyphs, Jamie.

01:38:43.000 Um the lizard guy, the frog guy or whatever that reptilian thing is.

01:38:48.000 That freaks me out.

01:38:48.000 Mm-hmm.

01:38:50.000 Oh yeah, it's the stuff of nightmares at times.

01:38:52.000 It's it's kinda weird.

01:38:53.000 Because that's you know, w one of the things that th the weirdest when the when they the weirdest stories when they start talking about aliens is the the different types that visit.

01:39:05.000 Right.

01:39:05.000 And that one of them is a reptilian species that are the most creepy to deal with.

01:39:11.000 Which makes sense.

01:39:11.000 I heard the same thing.

01:39:12.000 It would be. 0.96

01:39:13.000 I mean that reptilian brain.

01:39:13.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 Like chickens are assholes, you know. 1.00

01:39:16.000 Right, they are. 1.00

01:39:17.000 And Sorakomoto dragons.

01:39:18.000 And the idea that somehow or another they could eventually reach incredible levels of technological sophistication and intelligence.

01:39:25.000 We kind of rule that out. 0.99

01:39:26.000 But look, there's there's clearly primates that are way dumber than us, right? 0.98

01:39:32.000 So why do we assume that it's only primates that reach an incredible high level of sophistication when we know that crows, which are really fucking close to dinosaurs. 0.99

01:39:32.000 Oh, for sure. 0.99

01:39:42.000 Crows super smart.

01:39:45.000 Like smarter than most kids.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, problem-solving smart.

01:39:48.000 Yeah.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, it's I you can't think you can you can't put a a uh a restrictor on what evolution might produce in any of these.

01:39:57.000 Especially when intelligence is being exhibited by things that are really close evolutionarily to reptiles.

01:40:04.000 Yeah, and that would just be, yeah, you get to that like just lack of empathy, just that reptilian brain, it's just aggression and like everything that's not us is the enemy kind of.

01:40:04.000 Yes.

01:40:12.000 That's the mindfuck is smart dinosaurs. 0.99

01:40:14.000 I mean, that was in Jurassic Park, right? 0.99

01:40:14.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:40:16.000 The raptors, there was a girl smart. 0.98

01:40:18.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 Smart.

01:40:19.000 Which, you know, makes sense.

01:40:21.000 Yeah, it's that whole pack, yeah, the instinct. 0.99

01:40:23.000 But the idea that there's that we were visited by intelligent reptiles is fucking bananas. 0.95

01:40:30.000 I put look yet with the aliens, I don't often address it. 0.96

01:40:33.000 I I I but I put it firmly in the realm of of like possible.

01:40:37.000 Like it's just I don't I think when you you look at the vastness of space and the length of time, the fact that we've you know, we're just we're just this crazy you could there could have massive civilizations galactically could have risen and fallen a million years ago and we just weren't part of it, and that's uh literally a blink of the eye in these in those sort of time frames.

01:40:57.000 We just it's it's not surprising just the Fermi paradox, right?

01:41:00.000 Like how come we haven't got like firm proof or anything, even though people will say we have, but it's like yes.

01:41:07.000 There's it's it's the length of time.

01:41:09.000 Like we can rise and fall that span of a million years is just nothing on those timescales.

01:41:13.000 And you know, you can civil whole species can rise to massive prominence and then just be nothing but dust at the end of that period of time.

01:41:20.000 And you gotta try and do that across what, fourteen billion years, and even that's in question now, because the James Webb telescope seeing stuff that's supposedly way older than that now.

01:41:28.000 Right.

01:41:29.000 I mean we'll see.

01:41:30.000 Like this three-eye atlas thing.

01:41:30.000 We're gonna find out.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, what is that?

01:41:34.000 Well, Harvey Loeb is convinced that it's a UFO.

01:41:34.000 Super weird, right?

01:41:37.000 But that's what he does.

01:41:39.000 He did with that that other one, Omanuma or Muamur.

01:41:42.000 A muamua.

01:41:43.000 So that one was a little off.

01:41:45.000 So not it wasn't the weirdest thing about a muamura seems to be it's it's its path when it took after it turned around the sun and accelerated.

01:41:45.000 That was weird.

01:41:53.000 Like that was the you know, m standard model of physics said it shouldn't have done that, and it seems to have exhibited sort of motion that was not what we predicted it would do.

01:42:02.000 That's significantly as much as we can.

01:42:05.000 It was outside.

01:42:05.000 It accelerated.

01:42:07.000 Yeah, it's accelerated.

01:42:08.000 But like to a factor of what?

01:42:10.000 Well, not that I think it was only a few percent, but it was not what should have happened according to the calculations that astronomers and the I guess the orbital dynamics people had done.

01:42:19.000 That's what I understand was the most obviously its shape and size.

01:42:25.000 Well, it's yeah, I mean, just because it was so long and narrow and it was tumbling, that's what caused it to we would catch like the long side of it, which the brightness would increase so we had this oscillating brightness on it.

01:42:35.000 And then it just it passed through the system and it's you know, it's going whatever, eighty-seven kilometers per second or whatever it was, huge velocity, enough to escape the you know, the gravity of the sun, but it it accelerated where it's what I understand it did.

01:42:49.000 It accelerated where it shouldn't have.

01:42:51.000 Then there was another interstellar artifact that came in that was pretty much a comet, it behaved like a comet, it had a tail, it was off-gassing water, it's just an interstellar ball of rock and ice is what they say that was that didn't get a lot of attention.

01:43:03.000 Now this three eye atlas thing is much larger, it's traveling much faster apparently than the previous two, but it's also not behaving like a comet.

01:43:11.000 It has this aura of light that it's emitting around it for some reason.

01:43:15.000 It I saw a report that said it it they're almost seeing a metallic like smelting signatures off it.

01:43:21.000 I I don't know how much credence I can give it, but we'll find out.

01:43:24.000 Like it has a it it has a it's going too fast to stop in our system unless it dramatically uh alters its velocity, but it's it's I mean it'll come it'll pop out.

01:43:34.000 We'll we'll lose it on the other side of the sun, but then we should see it again on the way out.

01:43:38.000 So we'll know one way or the other if it actually is gonna if it if it changes behavior.

01:43:43.000 I mean what's he put it, I've even I've put it like forty sixty or something artificial to natural, but really I'm it's so funny.

01:43:50.000 I'm I'm into Warhammer 40k in a big way, and it's just like I'm like, okay, we're gonna be joining the Imperium here soon, boys.

01:43:57.000 Or Halley Omnisire.

01:43:58.000 That thing might be a Mechanicus vessel. 0.99

01:44:00.000 I don't know.

01:44:00.000 If that's how they travel, I'd be very disappointed.

01:44:03.000 They just shoot through the sky.

01:44:05.000 It takes months.

01:44:06.000 Well if it slows down, I know, but I'm I'm looking for portals.

01:44:10.000 I'm looking for I mean advanced civilization that visits us.

01:44:14.000 I don't want the advanced Vikings.

01:44:15.000 Right.

01:44:16.000 I want the advanced scientists from the twenty first century.

01:44:16.000 Right?

01:44:20.000 Yeah.

01:44:21.000 I just I I you know what I'm saying?

01:44:22.000 I mean the ones who come fast on a a burning spaceship, they're the dangerous ones.

01:44:29.000 Yeah, they're probably the warlike conquerors, the ones who are gonna rob us of our minerals and force us into slavery.

01:44:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:37.000 That seems like if that's how you're rocking it, you're still doing it the way we do it, where you have something thrusting you insanely fast through the the cosmos.

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:45.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 Are you uh do you know that like the whole dark forest uh thing?

01:44:51.000 Like the the the dark forest theory about so it's this came out of uh it was the three body problem.

01:44:57.000 Uh great series of books by Chinese author that to got turned into amazing Netflix show.

01:45:01.000 Great show.

01:45:02.000 The books are phenomenal too.

01:45:03.000 And it's just But it's it's this idea that look, we shouldn't be making no it's it's like imagine you're a hunter in a dark forest.

01:45:10.000 So it's just you're out there, you know there might be other things out there, and it's it's this it's this like a philosophical engagement of like what do you what should you do?

01:45:18.000 Should you start light of fire and make a whole bunch of noise in the dark forest that's full of pre you know it's full of predators.

01:45:23.000 You don't know where they are, they don't know where you are.

01:45:26.000 What's your behavior?

01:45:27.000 What should you do should you see another predator?

01:45:29.000 Uh what should you ha should you be friendly?

01:45:32.000 What's the risk to you to do it?

01:45:33.000 And these could be like you could be there with a with a bar and arrow, this guy could have a tank, this other guy could have a like a mass some other energy weapon, whatever.

01:45:41.000 You do you you don't there's massive differences in capability and scale and pretty much every scenario works out to like the what you should do is just be quiet and if you see something you should eliminate the threat.

01:45:54.000 That's kind of the the way it goes in in the dark dark forest.

01:45:57.000 It's like it's too risky to reveal yourself uh you should just uh you should basically eliminate that threat if you can do so safely.

01:46:06.000 And you apply that to kind of the galaxy and where the I mean in to some extent a f I feel like we're the equivalent of like a baby in a cot that's screaming around a roaring fire because we put and there's you know leopards out there.

01:46:18.000 Right.

01:46:19.000 And you know, because we're just like sending these signals out into space for a hundred something years now.

01:46:23.000 Well it's and we just hope hey, we're friendly, please.

01:46:26.000 Well you have to hope that something is so evolved that it's gotten past war.

01:46:30.000 It's gotten past the way we behave.

01:46:32.000 And we so we're hoping and assuming that Space Daddy Space Brothers.

01:46:36.000 Yeah, that Space Daddy, Space Brothers will be benevolent and wise beyond our imagination, and that they will come here and want to take care of us and give us information and hook us up.

01:46:46.000 I I I I that's my respon I had this discussion I I've had the discussion a few times.

01:46:51.000 And my response to a lot of that is, well, we can take nature.

01:46:55.000 What happens when we take nat let's look at the apex predator, whether it's in the sea, in the air, or on the land.

01:47:01.000 Apex predators don't tolerate competition.

01:47:04.000 They they don't suffer any attacks, they don't I mean we don't treat we don't we just we just dominate. 0.98

01:47:12.000 Like you just you if it's in your way it's inconvenient, you kill it.

01:47:14.000 If it has if it has something you want, we take it. 0.85

01:47:17.000 If those bees have honey, we take it. 0.97

01:47:18.000 Like it's just there's no we're not like helping them.

01:47:21.000 You know, we're not we're not like trying to teach the dolphins how to talk, like there's still parts of the world where we're just eating them.

01:47:26.000 You know?

01:47:27.000 Like there's I don't know, it's it's it nature suggests that that that apex predator, but maybe, maybe we're just I think this is the other element that you're saying is maybe we you uh uh evolution leads you past those primal nature at some point.

01:47:41.000 The territorial primate instincts that we exhibit like hopefully one day.

01:47:45.000 Because clearly we're on a pathway to that, right?

01:47:48.000 We're clearly much kinder now.

01:47:50.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 At least locally.

01:47:52.000 You know, if you don't live in Gaza.

01:47:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:56.000 Like if you're in the middle of a war zone, you're like, what are you talking about?

01:47:58.000 This is as bad as it's ever been all throughout human history.

01:48:01.000 It's the same behavior exhibited over and over and over again.

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 What we want is aliens that are a million years more advanced.

01:48:07.000 We don't want aliens that are a thousand years more advanced. 0.93

01:48:09.000 Got it.

01:48:10.000 Because they might be just like us, but way better.

01:48:13.000 That's what we don't as soon as we start going into the co if we venture into the cosmos in twenty years.

01:48:19.000 We're going to be the same animal.

01:48:20.000 Right?

01:48:20.000 Right.

01:48:21.000 We're not going to be significantly different unless we integrate with technology and remove the ego and emotions.

01:48:27.000 Yeah, mushrooms.

01:48:28.000 Well, no, emotions and stuff that maybe mushrooms helps us get to sure.

01:48:31.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: emotions.

01:48:34.000 The human reward systems that exist that we, you know, that we currently struggle with.

01:48:40.000 We would we would be the same way.

01:48:43.000 If we um just think of what we justify on earth in terms of destruction of habitat of native species, animals that we kill, all the different things that we do on Earth, factory farming. 1.00

01:48:55.000 Now imagine why would we care about these lizard people that live, you know, in caves on some fucking stupid planet. 1.00

01:49:03.000 You know, we would probably kidnap them, we'd kill them, we'd pickle them, we'd bring them back home, we'd freeze them. 1.00

01:49:08.000 Got gold in them caves. 0.99

01:49:10.000 Look at what Columbus did when they arrived and took the natives and had them get gold, and if they didn't, they cut their arms off.

01:49:10.000 Right.

01:49:20.000 Horrific, terrifying things.

01:49:22.000 So imagine there's no evidence that aliens are currently doing that, which is the promising thing.

01:49:27.000 Right.

01:49:27.000 Right?

01:49:28.000 The even the abductions, although I'm sure they're terrifying if they're true, they seem rather benign.

01:49:34.000 Like in fact, in the Travis Walton case, do you know that that one?

01:49:38.000 It's one of the most famous ones.

01:49:40.000 Not off the top of my head.

01:49:41.000 Real simple.

01:49:42.000 1970s, he's a logger.

01:49:44.000 He's working with a group of guys, they see a s a ship, he runs toward it, he gets hit with a beam of energy, gets knocked back, unconscious, his friends flee, they come back, they they're they're yelling at each other, we gotta go back, we've got to get them.

01:49:58.000 They go back, he's gone.

01:49:59.000 Um all four of them get investigated for murder.

01:50:02.000 They tell the story, no one believes them.

01:50:04.000 They all pass polygraph tests. 0.99

01:50:05.000 Five days later, he shows up, he finds a payphone, makes a phone call, and has this fucking insane story. 0.61

01:50:12.000 But the in story the story was that they took him aboard the craft and healed him and communicated with him and that there was a bunch of different types of these beings, and then um he has been telling the exact same story ever since the 1970s.

01:50:28.000 So but relatively benign compared to what we would do.

01:50:32.000 For sure. 0.99

01:50:33.000 You know, like we fucking you know, we shoot elephants. 0.99

01:50:35.000 It tends an avatar. 0.99

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:37.000 Think about the the horrible things that we do right now on Earth.

01:50:40.000 No, I agree.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, and it's it's something that I always say it's a great quoted from Christopher Hitchens, which is, you know, we're just not the end of that evolutionary chain.

01:50:48.000 You know, we're just our our current our current the current version of humanity, the f our frontal lobes are too big, our adrenaline oh sorry, our frontal lobes are too small, our adrenaline glands are too big, our thumb four finger opposition is a isn't all it's cracked up to be.

01:51:02.000 And we love violence.

01:51:02.000 We love violence.

01:51:03.000 We love violence.

01:51:04.000 Our national sport is dudes who are enormous running at each other at full speed.

01:51:11.000 And the other one is guys punching and kicking each other.

01:51:13.000 Yep.

01:51:14.000 I mean it's kind of strangling.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy.

01:51:16.000 We're we're so high and then we're also involved in multiple wars simultaneously.

01:51:21.000 At least proxy.

01:51:22.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:51:23.000 Yeah, proxy wars, it's at least human beings are involved in a significant amount of war always.

01:51:29.000 Yeah, it's never it's this is literally the status quo throughout history.

01:51:32.000 I mean, it's just we've always been at war with each other.

01:51:36.000 Uh I mean I will I w I still do.

01:51:38.000 I may personally maintain the the idea that it is that's still the best time to be alive.

01:51:43.000 A hundred percent.

01:51:44.000 Technologically speaking.

01:51:45.000 But also, I mean, obviously we we're much more aware of conflict around the world, but on a percentage scale of what it's been like in the past, i it's actually far less than it has been.

01:51:55.000 Like even though it's terrible when it happens, but we're in an era where there's actually less of that going on and hopefully that can continue.

01:52:02.000 I actually genuinely think that it's one of the reasons why this whole investigation into the past is important to me.

01:52:09.000 Like I don't it's not I haven't really talked about it in videos or put it down.

01:52:13.000 It's gonna be it's part of the book I'm writing for sure, it's a big part because I it's it's not just some benign investigation into the past.

01:52:19.000 I genuinely think it could have a significant impact on our future because it it that I that concept you talked about it of of like this linear progression, right?

01:52:27.000 I mean, in general, we get taught in school that okay, we were stone age dudes, we were in caves, civilization happened, and we have many thousands of years later, here we are.

01:52:37.000 This is the only it's like this is the only way that uh an advanced civilization can happen.

01:52:42.000 Is is on this path, don't worry about it.

01:52:44.000 It's almost like it's preordained, just worry about next election cycle, next quarterly result, whatever, right.

01:52:49.000 And we just don't think about it.

01:52:51.000 I do this is this concept call, it's I think it's a fundamental pillar of what it means to be a human being today.

01:52:55.000 It's it's in everybody's mind to some degree, like all right, Stone Age us, we're advanced, this is the only way it happens.

01:53:01.000 I do think that if you can change that at that fundamental level to this cyclical version that is an oscillation between civilization and cataclysm.

01:53:11.000 And this idea that okay, we've actually risen in the past.

01:53:14.000 We've become relatively high technology, we become civilized.

01:53:18.000 And and it it happened, it would have been different to us, but it it we fell.

01:53:22.000 We fell again.

01:53:23.000 And we're on we're somewhere on this oscillation and this circular motion between civilization and cataclysm, and on a long enough timescale.

01:53:31.000 We know it's gonna happen again.

01:53:33.000 Yes.

01:53:34.000 Right.

01:53:34.000 And if you can change that, if you could change that fundamental concept in people.

01:53:38.000 Like that's what we teach people in schools.

01:53:40.000 Okay, so we we're we're rising again, we're we're at this crazy point in time where technology is super advanced.

01:53:45.000 We can solve some of these problems, but we know on this timescale, if we don't do something about it, we might end up like our ancestors did.

01:53:53.000 I genuinely think that stands a chance of like changing some of our behavior and and some of our like a little less money on tanks and guns, a little bit more money on space exploration.

01:54:01.000 Make solving the longer term problems a bit more of a priority.

01:54:05.000 And I it's altruistic and it's amb it's like a crazy goal.

01:54:09.000 It's it's I it's I know it's altruistic as all hell, but it's just I think there's precedent for it too, though.

01:54:15.000 I mean, whether you agree with it or not, uh d politic I mean it doesn't matter, it's but the fact is that the term climate change has changed our behavior over the last twenty-five years, right?

01:54:26.000 It's changed if you think about what's happened with that concept and that movement, it changes investment decisions, it changes our interactions with each other with the planet.

01:54:34.000 You know, it it's changed our behavior in the way we think about stuff.

01:54:38.000 It's this it's like this this has crept into our zeitgeist as a species and it's changed our behavior.

01:54:43.000 So I look at some of this stuff in the past as it's not just being some harmless investigation into things.

01:54:48.000 I think it it actually getting to the the root cause of what's happened in the past actually could help us in our future.

01:54:54.000 I think it's an important it's what drives I think a my interest in it in a lot of ways, too.

01:54:59.000 It's another piece of an example, uh another example rather of how primitive we are that we still we're the actual climate is political.

01:55:07.000 That's bananas.

01:55:08.000 Like pollution is political.

01:55:11.000 Yes.

01:55:11.000 Well, I mean, if you disagree I mean I always find it crazy that if you even question any of some of the like official narrative about this stuff, the first thing you've got to do is make sure you decry and say, No, no, no, pollution bad, pollution bad.

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 Just because I think that some of the science might be off.

01:55:25.000 I'm not saying like I'm let's pollute the oceans, like no no, let's be stewards.

01:55:29.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.000 Well it's also the amount of time that we've polluted the oceans in is spectacular.

01:55:36.000 What we've done just in terms of the depopulation of the ocean.

01:55:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:40.000 That's nuts.

01:55:42.000 Like ninety plus percent of all big fish are gone.

01:55:45.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 In a short amount of time.

01:55:48.000 Like a couple hundred years of like hardcore fishing.

01:55:51.000 And we we fished out the ocean, man.

01:55:53.000 Just about.

01:55:54.000 That's nuts. 0.72

01:55:55.000 Not only that, we polluted the fuck out of it to the point where you're not even supposed to eat it every day. 0.95

01:55:59.000 Right.

01:56:00.000 Which is that's a pity.

01:56:02.000 Oh, I agree.

01:56:03.000 That's crazy.

01:56:04.000 If you eat sushi every day, people don't recommend it.

01:56:07.000 From a beer bottle on the bottom of a Mariana trench.

01:56:10.000 What?

01:56:11.000 Yeah.

01:56:11.000 That's crazy.

01:56:13.000 Man.

01:56:14.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:56:15.000 That's how gross we are.

01:56:17.000 Somebody was over there and they chucked one overboard.

01:56:19.000 Yeah, it looks like Honikan.

01:56:21.000 It looks pretty recent, right? 0.99

01:56:22.000 It's got the fucking label on it. 0.99

01:56:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:24.000 Right? 1.00

01:56:24.000 The label hasn't even eroded. 1.00

01:56:26.000 The challenger deep.

01:56:27.000 If it's that recent, like why isn't it covered in sediment?

01:56:31.000 Yeah.

01:56:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:33.000 The surface covers things up and moves over time.

01:56:36.000 It probably won't be there forever.

01:56:38.000 It'll probably won't be sitting on the surface like that.

01:56:41.000 I don't think it's a good thing.

01:56:42.000 Oh wow.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:56:43.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:56:45.000 Somehow.

01:56:46.000 It's sink, I'd imagine.

01:56:49.000 Unless there's some sort of a downward or upward current.

01:56:51.000 Yeah.

01:56:52.000 Scientists find beer bottle the deepest point of the ocean.

01:56:55.000 Six point seven miles, thirty-five thousand feet below the surface.

01:56:58.000 That is how is it not?

01:57:01.000 Well, yeah, no air.

01:57:02.000 Yeah.

01:57:03.000 Okay, there you go.

01:57:04.000 Right.

01:57:04.000 Yeah.

01:57:05.000 Wouldn't last long if there's a cap on it, that's for sure.

01:57:07.000 But yeah.

01:57:08.000 Yeah, I don't want to go down there. 1.00

01:57:10.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

01:57:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:12.000 I'd rather watch a video.

01:57:13.000 Not only that, they were watching a video.

01:57:15.000 That's what's even crazier.

01:57:16.000 You go all the way down and you're watching a screen.

01:57:16.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 Yeah.

01:57:19.000 It's not like there's a window. 0.99

01:57:20.000 You can't have a fucking window. 1.00

01:57:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:22.000 No, exactly. 1.00

01:57:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:57:23.000 Like one little or just if there's one just giant thick thing at the front and you kind of like Imagine the freak out of being at the bottom.

01:57:30.000 James Cameron knows.

01:57:31.000 I mean he went down that.

01:57:33.000 Not for me.

01:57:34.000 He went there by himself.

01:57:35.000 I know he did.

01:57:35.000 It's crazy.

01:57:36.000 In that Yeah.

01:57:38.000 He did it right, but I guess.

01:57:40.000 If you're gonna do it.

01:57:43.000 Why is he doing that?

01:57:44.000 I want four feet of titanium around me.

01:57:46.000 Like in a sphere.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, we need you to make movies.

01:57:48.000 Maybe not a carbon fiber tube.

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 Well, especially not one that the engineer said wasn't really designed for those depths.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, that cracked.

01:57:56.000 Did you ever watch that documentary?

01:57:58.000 It's dude, they're putting that thing out, they do the scale model and they're testing it under pressure, and they're all standing around in a room and just goes bang!

01:58:05.000 Like it's just it's in and every test they did, it went bang.

01:58:08.000 And blue.

01:58:09.000 And they're like, 20 successful trips with that.

01:58:12.000 Oh, they did a bunch.

01:58:13.000 Yeah.

01:58:13.000 And it was and it well, even the scariest part is like when you're in the footage with it and you can hear it popping.

01:58:18.000 Like it's it's it's literally the carbon fiber strands snapping.

01:58:25.000 Oh, it's terrible.

01:58:26.000 It's terrifying.

01:58:27.000 Imagine being one of those people that successfully made that journey and and then the nightmares that you have every day.

01:58:34.000 Like the one right before.

01:58:35.000 Barely missed it.

01:58:36.000 You bar yeah, the one right before.

01:58:38.000 Barely missed getting instantaneously destroyed.

01:58:42.000 I'm sure you've seen the animation, the the computer recreation of what it would look like.

01:58:46.000 Yeah.

01:58:47.000 Yeah, you turned to blood cells.

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 Just splatter.

01:58:52.000 Yeah, you wouldn't even it said that's it happens faster than the time it would take for you to even register that it happened.

01:58:57.000 Like for your senses to register in your brain that it happened.

01:59:00.000 It's over.

01:59:02.000 The pressure.

01:59:04.000 Yeah.

01:59:04.000 Just the fact that we're that weird that we choose to do that.

01:59:08.000 That we have technology like, let's see.

01:59:10.000 Yeah.

01:59:11.000 Let's go.

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:13.000 The way they skirted the I mean you he he signed everyone up as like basically expedition team members.

01:59:19.000 They were that's how they got around I'm not selling seats for this.

01:59:22.000 Like they're invest they they're coming on, they all had a technical role, supposedly, and it was like I'm not it's getting around the regulations and the safety regulations.

01:59:30.000 But yeah.

01:59:31.000 No interest in that sort of pressure.

01:59:33.000 I mean I dive, but not like that.

01:59:36.000 Yeah, diving is swimming.

01:59:38.000 Pretty much.

01:59:38.000 It's just like hardcore swimming.

01:59:42.000 Yeah.

01:59:44.000 I haven't seen this.

01:59:46.000 It said that it would have happened in twenty milliseconds, and it takes like 150 milliseconds for your brain to feel pain.

01:59:53.000 That's yeah, that's Yeah, no, thank you.

01:59:57.000 I God.

02:00:00.000 Oh my god.

02:00:01.000 This why does this freak me out so much?

02:00:04.000 It's because a guy went on with his son.

02:00:07.000 Yeah, it's terri it's a terrible story.

02:00:09.000 I mean, it's just why.

02:00:12.000 I wish I was friends with that guy.

02:00:13.000 I'd be like, dude.

02:00:14.000 Yeah.

02:00:15.000 It's not the place I'd want to explore.

02:00:15.000 No.

02:00:17.000 Like there is some stuff off Cuba, they say that's they reckon pyramids it's kilometers deep in the ocean.

02:00:21.000 But I've seen that.

02:00:22.000 I've seen well, I've seen internet videos.

02:00:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:26.000 But I did die, we were in Alexandria.

02:00:26.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 I dived on the the lighthouse.

02:00:30.000 So there's um and there actually there was a news article just the other day about the the the Egyptians were pulling like more stuff out of the water there at Heracleon and at the lighthouse of Alexandria.

02:00:40.000 Quite an interesting story.

02:00:41.000 And we were in Alexandria dive in the Mediterranean on the Egyptian side, and um I mean it's it's amazing.

02:00:47.000 There's megalith massive columns and massive megalithic blocks in the water from when that uh the lighthouse it fell down or it collapsed, there was there was uh an earthquake.

02:00:56.000 And so you're actually you're in the water, but you're diving over like megalithic blocks like these and huge columns and it and it's it has a history that stretches back to, right?

02:01:05.000 It's uh th the megalithic stuff is what's associated with the very earliest periods of building.

02:01:12.000 Um all the stuff that happened later is typically not that big.

02:01:15.000 But yeah, this is actually that's what's nuts.

02:01:17.000 That's what's nuts is that the st the older you go, the bigger the stones are.

02:01:22.000 Well, and it's what's funny is when we looked into the erosion at places like the Giza Plateau, you it's it you have two or three feet, it's not on a sphinx everybody knows about the Sphinx enclosure erosion.

02:01:34.000 But you look at places like the the the pyramid temple uh of the middle pyramid, the some of the blocks on the Great Pyramid, the casing stones that are there that we can see now that they've taken the boat museum away.

02:01:45.000 Uh and up and down the causeway, there is there is limestone blocks with up to two feet of erosion.

02:01:52.000 Like it's these waves.

02:01:53.000 I think I have a uh have a directory on that on that um drive with um the erosion on it.

02:01:58.000 And it's you have you have to juxtapose that against all the other stuff they say is fourth dynasty, right?

02:02:03.000 So right next to the Valley Temple, there is another structure that's built from small limestone blocks.

02:02:08.000 Doesn't have any uh uh uh erosion, not like the Valley Temple does.

02:02:13.000 Uh the Western cemetery that's behind the Great Pyramid is beautifully made, it's smaller limestone blocks.

02:02:18.000 It's apparently older.

02:02:20.000 So yeah, here's a good example.

02:02:21.000 This is the mortuary or the pyramid temple.

02:02:23.000 So these were you can see where the face of that block originally was, but it's uh been eroded in like up to two feet in places.

02:02:30.000 There's huge amounts of erosion uh that you can find in a lot of places at the Giza Plateau.

02:02:35.000 Yet at the same time you have what are said to be contemporary structures, said to build have been built roughly in the same time.

02:02:42.000 Sometimes they say they're even older, that have just no erosion at all, made from the same stone, made by this allegedly by the same people.

02:02:51.000 Uh and what force did they attribute that erosion to?

02:02:54.000 Well, it's got it it's wind and sand, right?

02:02:55.000 It's that's what they will say.

02:02:56.000 Look, this is just regular weathering.

02:02:58.000 And here's the crazy thing about these structures, like this was also cased in granite.

02:03:02.000 These are the inside blocks.

02:03:03.000 So this this structure was fully cased in like four feet thick granite blocks.

02:03:08.000 And that was still stolen and quite.

02:03:10.000 That were taken, but it would have protected this stone from erosion for however many thousands of years.

02:03:16.000 You find an there's another picture in here of like the um that's that's so there.

02:03:20.000 Like, see this is this is said to like that picture I just showed with the heavy erosion, that's where the arrow is at the pyramid temple.

02:03:27.000 No, no, back to the back to that one, yep.

02:03:29.000 So that deep erosions at that pyramid temple, this one wall to the right, they say this is older than that.

02:03:35.000 And that this has never been cased in granite.

02:03:37.000 That other stuff was cased in granite.

02:03:39.000 It's megalithic.

02:03:41.000 There's a block in that complex that's 450 tons.

02:03:44.000 Um it was cased in granite.

02:03:47.000 Now, there's been studies, right?

02:03:48.000 So we know how long it takes to weather limestone.

02:03:52.000 There's been a bunch of studies.

02:03:54.000 The US, the the government departments have studied it.

02:03:57.000 They put limestone blocks on the top of the a building in Washington, D.C. in a government department and studied it over eleven years.

02:04:03.000 There's endless uh cemeteries with conveniently carved and dated limestone pieces in the form of headstones that you can measure.

02:04:12.000 So you can go, okay, this was carved in whatever year this guy died, and as you can measure it and over time get a sense for like what's it take with rain, with wind.

02:04:20.000 We've done studies of like, all right, we put these blocks in a river and we and we let it wash over like a very highly erosive environment where we've got running water running over the stone and how how long it takes to erode.

02:04:32.000 For some of the erosion that you can if you reference those studies for this type of hard limestone, to get two feet of erosive wear on those blocks just with regular wind weathering, and this is this is in places that have a lot more rainfall than Giza, you're talking dates from like sixty to a hundred and twenty-two thousand years to get that much erosion on it.

02:04:54.000 I mean And that's and I think that's in a more erosive environment than what the the desert is.

02:04:59.000 What?

02:05:00.000 So yeah.

02:05:01.000 That's that's the neck that's it side by side.

02:05:03.000 So you have literally they'll tell you that thing on the right is older.

02:05:06.000 This was built by Kufu, this is supposedly Kafra, his son.

02:05:09.000 Wow.

02:05:10.000 But it's it's completely different.

02:05:11.000 So this is that Taylor to Industries thing as well, but they attribute all this to the same people.

02:05:15.000 But you can baseline this because it's the same stone, it's at the same elevation level.

02:05:20.000 It's supposedly the same age.

02:05:21.000 The differences is are in the construction.

02:05:23.000 Like it's megalithic, and a lot of this stuff was encased in granite.

02:05:28.000 This is the uh Sphinx Temple down at the other end of the causeway.

02:05:31.000 Same thing.

02:05:32.000 So all the megalithic stuff that was cased in granite has severe erosion.

02:05:35.000 Yet there's buildings all around it and up and down the plateau, they say are built at the same time, yet it's smaller blocks, it's not as nice work, and it's not eroded like that.

02:05:45.000 Like, what's the conventional explanation from that discrepancy?

02:05:48.000 They just don't address it.

02:05:49.000 Like I've not seen anyone well, I mean, because the argument's always been the sphinc like the Sphinx temple, like the Sphinx enclosure, right?

02:05:55.000 Robert Schock, John Anthony West, they can't he talked about the fact that you needed thousands of years of rainfall erosion to get those patterns on the walls.

02:06:02.000 That's where the discussion's been focused.

02:06:04.000 It's not there was no comparison made.

02:06:07.000 It was always like, well, this is this you know, the geologist and the experts say it's wind and sand it it's water erosion, but then you have the archaeologist and the Mark Landers saying no it's wind and sand.

02:06:17.000 Wind and sand.

02:06:18.000 But I think there's a better argument to be made when you start to do comparative work like this.

02:06:22.000 You go, alright, hang on, let's take the Western Cemetery behind the Great Pyramid, supposedly built by Khufu, Fourth Dynasty. 0.80

02:06:29.000 It's at the same elevation level, it's the same stone type as the mortuary or the pyramid temple of the middle pyramid complex.

02:06:36.000 So after Khufu. 1.00

02:06:38.000 So if he built that, then his son Kafra built this one.

02:06:41.000 How come this one, which was also cased in granite and this wasn't, how come this is so much more eroded than this?

02:06:47.000 There's no it's at the same elevation level.

02:06:50.000 It's the same stone.

02:06:51.000 It's so you would assume that it's been subjected to the same weathering.

02:06:55.000 Why is this so weathered and that is not?

02:06:58.000 It's that you can't explain any other way.

02:07:00.000 Yeah, I've not seen anyone respond to that to that argument with anything that makes any remote sense.

02:07:05.000 Like it's Remote Sense would dictate one's older.

02:07:08.000 Yeah.

02:07:08.000 I mean I we show literally I like to show people like which one which one looks older.

02:07:12.000 Like same stone.

02:07:14.000 Same stone.

02:07:15.000 Same elevation level, same everything.

02:07:17.000 It has to be.

02:07:18.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 I mean it's and again, we know That's crazy.

02:07:22.000 That's crazy.

02:07:23.000 And it's not like this.

02:07:24.000 This is very hard pneumolitic limestone.

02:07:26.000 Like it's full of fossils.

02:07:27.000 It's not a soft limestone.

02:07:29.000 The idea that there was a civilization that built monolithic construction a hundred thousand years ago is crazy.

02:07:38.000 It is.

02:07:39.000 That's so crazy.

02:07:40.000 But have you uh seen any of Michael Button's work?

02:07:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:44.000 I saw the episode, yeah.

02:07:45.000 That is a very interesting episode when we're talking about how far back.

02:07:49.000 Human beings in this exact same form have been around at least three hundred thousand years.

02:07:55.000 At least.

02:07:56.000 At least.

02:07:56.000 So that's the fossil record.

02:07:58.000 Right.

02:07:58.000 That's all we found.

02:07:59.000 There might be human beings that were five hundred thousand years ago.

02:08:02.000 There's six.

02:08:03.000 Good evidence for it, actually.

02:08:04.000 Really?

02:08:05.000 Yeah.

02:08:05.000 There's stu so yeah, so the Morocco find, I've talked about this for years as well.

02:08:09.000 It's that the fossil record.

02:08:11.000 So we used to be what, a hundred and ninety fifty thousand, then it's a hundred and ninety-five thousand with the Ethiopian bones, and it's three hundred and fifteen or nineteen with the Morocco find, that's the latest in the fossil record.

02:08:20.000 Anatomically modern humans.

02:08:22.000 However, there are studies, uh I think this is in the other vectors director, I've got those studies.

02:08:28.000 Um there's two studies that I reference usually.

02:08:31.000 One is a DNA study that suggests like ne from a genetic perspective, Neanderthals are our cousin.

02:08:38.000 Like we didn't evolve from them.

02:08:39.000 We both evolved from a common ancestor.

02:08:42.000 And they then based on but just looking at the genome and trying to trace it back, they the the paper suggests that we split with a common ancestor somewhere in the realm of 800,000 years ago.

02:08:53.000 Us and Neanderthals split from a common ancestor.

02:08:55.000 Like that's when we carved off 100,000 years ago.

02:08:58.000 Yep.

02:08:59.000 And there's another study on teeth morphology, which is which was it it actually got set up to try and prove that we're only, you know, two, three hundred thousand years old.

02:09:08.000 And they were looking at, all right, some our nearest common ancestor, how quickly does our dental, our teeth have to evolve and morph like this teeth more like teeth morphology, how quickly does that have to happen for us to basically have the teeth that we have today relative to our ancestors.

02:09:26.000 And they thought, well, it's gonna have to be this rate to make these numbers work, and then they did this big statistical study on a lot of different people from all around the world and they figured out the teeth, the the rate of dental evolution is much slower.

02:09:38.000 So that's then they they've they basically work backwards from there and said, okay, so if if that's how quickly our teeth evolve, then we may have been around as many as eight or nine hundred thousand years.

02:09:47.000 So you have so you you have two different studies.

02:09:51.000 I mean, again, fossil record three hundred thousand, but other studies do suggest the possibility could be any up to towards a million years old for a human uh human beings.

02:10:01.000 It gets real interesting, even within the three hundred thousand years, but certainly if you stretch it back further, I mean you can find uh graphs of the temperature and the global temperature in ice cool record ice core data from Antarctica that goes back four hundred thousand years.

02:10:15.000 So you have these peaks and valleys.

02:10:17.000 Like we're in that peak right now in the Holocene, the nice warm period where civilization flourishes.

02:10:22.000 But we've been through a bunch of those peaks before.

02:10:24.000 And some of those valleys are we know as a result of cataclysm, like massive changes to the Surface of the earth where nothing would be left.

02:10:32.000 So I look, I honestly put the p realm of possibility for advanced civilization, not just the last ice age, but within any you know, up to a million years potentially. 0.96

02:10:42.000 That's fucking crazy.

02:10:44.000 Could be I Well it's not it'd be dust for a lot of it. 0.99

02:10:47.000 It would be dust what we would find now.

02:10:50.000 But it it's not but that's what Michael Button's argument when you're dealing with anatomically similar human beings or amatonically exactly the same creature. 0.93

02:10:59.000 Give us give us warm weather and you know enough food to eat and we start fucking solving problems.

02:11:04.000 Which is one of the reasons why Egypt itself was so spectacular was that it was very fertile. 0.94

02:11:09.000 It was in the African humid period.

02:11:11.000 This is one of my arguments is I I think if you so if we just assume for a moment that there was a s a civilization that flourished during what you know, the African humid period and before it, when the Sahara was a savannah.

02:11:24.000 And I that's why I think the Sahara is such an appealing target, is because what happened, right?

02:11:28.000 So if that civilization ends, we're knocked back to a stone to a to a relative stone age.

02:11:34.000 The people that were populating the Nile, and people have been in the Nile f we know for like hundreds of thousands of years, like people live.

02:11:40.000 And and they if they're gonna start that civilization, they're gonna do it in the only part of that country that was habitable.

02:11:46.000 It's the Nile Valley.

02:11:47.000 And that's where all the sites of ancient Egypt are that we know about, but they've all been let's assume they kick started with stuff and they built been inherited and renovated and reused and the dynastic Egyptians made them their own, if assuming there's something there before.

02:12:00.000 So it what's fascinating to me is the possibility that out there in the Sahara, maybe near an ancient water source or an ancient aqueduct or something or or an ancient aquifer, we might be another Assyrian out there, like this subterranean things.

02:12:14.000 There might be another Serapian, there might be another labyrinth buried beneath the sand somewhere that's not been touched.

02:12:20.000 And it hasn't been inherited and reused.

02:12:22.000 Well, that's where the Rochard structure gets weird.

02:12:25.000 Right.

02:12:25.000 And that's that's on a timeline that could be very ancient because it's very eroded.

02:12:29.000 It's then it's hard to see anything.

02:12:30.000 Like this interpretive almost at this point to to figure out that there's if there was a structure there or anything.

02:12:36.000 Yeah.

02:12:37.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

02:12:37.000 Right.

02:12:38.000 But it's also that's another one when you go above and you look at the satellite imagery, you go, oh boy, that place got washed.

02:12:46.000 Yeah, it did.

02:12:47.000 It got I mean, that was one that place is one of the clearest examples of a place that looks like it got washed.

02:12:52.000 Because there's literal salt deposits everywhere.

02:12:55.000 Right.

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:56.000 I mean it's which is nuts.

02:12:58.000 It is nuts.

02:12:58.000 It's the whole thing is nuts.

02:13:00.000 Yeah, I don't know what happened.

02:13:01.000 Like, Jimmy Cortetti has some amazing videos on that.

02:13:04.000 Well, yeah.

02:13:05.000 Jimmy does.

02:13:06.000 And you do as well.

02:13:07.000 Jimmy's awesome.

02:13:08.000 Yeah, he's Yeah, that's that's that seems like it could be one of the places to look.

02:13:12.000 I mean, actually, so Michael Donald's there's an interesting talk about Melon Burroughs and that same satellite scan company.

02:13:18.000 There's a guy named Michael Donolin who's been working, he was working with them, still is.

02:13:22.000 He's putting out a documentary pretty soon called Atlantica, and he thinks he's found, at least if not Atlantis, a part of Atlantis off the coast of Spain.

02:13:30.000 And they've a hundred percent found some shit in the waters and have been diving on it for a couple of years now and building a documentary, but he it's pretty convincing he's found again another like underwater, if nothing else, megalithic city.

02:13:42.000 He thinks it could be Atlantis as well off the coast of Spain.

02:13:45.000 Wow, I saw that that documentary was coming out.

02:13:48.000 I didn't know exactly what they had discovered.

02:13:50.000 Is there images that we could see right now or what they did?

02:13:53.000 It's no, he's he we saw like an advanced preview of it.

02:13:57.000 Until it comes out.

02:13:58.000 But it's but it's they discovered it with that Merlin Burroughs scanning tech.

02:14:02.000 The same satellite-based tech, and then they went and dived on it, and I've we saw like a cut down version of three episodes at this conference I went to and met him.

02:14:10.000 I've since talked talked to him a bit.

02:14:12.000 Uh fascinating.

02:14:13.000 100% found something.

02:14:15.000 Like it is man-made, like whatever it is is Yeah.

02:14:17.000 So this is like the preview little teaser thing.

02:14:21.000 I'm not sure when it's when the streaming I feel like it's got to be this year, I I hope.

02:14:25.000 He's mostly done with it.

02:14:26.000 Um then Or at least the trailer is talking about.

02:14:30.000 That was Tim Acres for a second, the old guy with the beard when he was still alive.

02:14:34.000 When did he die?

02:14:35.000 I think it was just last year or the year before. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Damn. 1.00

02:14:38.000 Yeah, it sucks. 1.00

02:14:39.000 It's I'm very happy I got John Anthony West on a couple of times before he passed. 0.92

02:14:43.000 I spawned on my big regrets is never actually having the chance to meet the man.

02:14:46.000 Oh, he was great.

02:14:47.000 He's phenomenal.

02:14:48.000 You know, there's a clip I use in my videos of him back in the nineties.

02:14:53.000 No.

02:14:53.000 Not really.

02:14:55.000 Back in the nines, John Anthony West, I used it in some of my videos, and he's standing at this cabinet, the same cabinet I stand in front of, uh, take people there to the Cairo Museum, and he's looking at this beautiful diary vase with a super thin neck, and it's just it's like this beautiful but tiny little thin neck on it and flared, and he's just saying, you know, how much of these vases are an anomaly, they're pre-dynastic.

02:15:15.000 We don't know how they made them.

02:15:16.000 You know, how do you machine out the inside of this vase through this tiny little neck?

02:15:20.000 Someone did it, and he said, I can only hope that at some point in the future we'll people will start to like apply modern technology and study these things and try to learn some more about it.

02:15:29.000 So it's like fantastic that that vase scan project is basically doing what he thinks we should be doing, and we're learning a ton about it.

02:15:36.000 His uh DVD series, Magical Egypt is what got me hooked.

02:15:39.000 Yeah, I know, yeah.

02:15:40.000 That's what you've said.

02:15:41.000 That series is insane.

02:15:43.000 It's so good.

02:15:45.000 He's he was great.

02:15:46.000 It's symbolist, and that's and that I think that sym that symbolist's view of ancient Egypt is fantastic.

02:15:53.000 Occasionally he would touch on that the engineering side of things that I'm caught deep on.

02:15:57.000 Sometimes he'd ignore it too.

02:15:58.000 I it's pretty funny.

02:15:59.000 I have a copy of his guidebook, which is hard to get these days, his guidebook to ancient Egypt.

02:16:04.000 And it literally has about this much on the Serapium because there's just no real writing down in the Serapium.

02:16:09.000 That's the place with the twenty-five giant, like hundred ton stone boxes.

02:16:13.000 It's one of the most remarkable logistical feats that come from ancient Egypt.

02:16:17.000 But he just wasn't there wasn't a lot to like for a symbologist to interpret in that place.

02:16:21.000 So it's like, yeah, it's pretty cool, go check it out.

02:16:23.000 Some boxes.

02:16:25.000 And we spent like four hours down there.

02:16:27.000 It's interesting if you think of him like being concentrating on the symbolism and how much work he did.

02:16:33.000 Oh.

02:16:34.000 And just you need one of those two, right?

02:16:37.000 For sure.

02:16:38.000 A bunch of different people looking at all the different aspects of it.

02:16:41.000 Yeah.

02:16:42.000 And he was another one that had his interpretation was this is a lot older.

02:16:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:48.000 It seems no one seems to like do a deep dive on it and go, oh no, no, they figured this out.

02:16:53.000 No, right.

02:16:54.000 It's a example was so crazy.

02:16:58.000 His explanation was this was the national project.

02:17:01.000 Dude, I've I it's so.

02:17:03.000 I tried to watch that podcast.

02:17:04.000 Imagine if we're all going to uh fly without wings.

02:17:08.000 This is the national project.

02:17:09.000 This exactly.

02:17:13.000 I have heard him say that for ten years.

02:17:18.000 Yes.

02:17:18.000 I asked him that question 2015.

02:17:20.000 I was in the room with Graham Hancock and him having this debate, which wasn't a debate, and they were yelling at you like Zahi flipped out uh earlier in the day.

02:17:27.000 But you know, we asked him that question.

02:17:30.000 I've heard him given that answer so many times.

02:17:31.000 You ask him about the anything precision or logistics, you know, or these these difficult to explain topics, that's the response.

02:17:38.000 It is it's basically they tried really hard, therefore they did.

02:17:42.000 And it's it's I it drives me nutty.

02:17:45.000 He's not the only one who gives that response, by the way.

02:17:47.000 That's that's that's a pretty stock standard answer to anything where you say, well, how did they move a thousand ton statue a thousand miles, which is what they did at one point.

02:17:55.000 Um how did they build the pyramid so precisely or whatever, or how did they do it in the time frame.

02:18:00.000 Oh no, a national project, they just really wanted to.

02:18:02.000 And it's the the response, a good example is like the Apollo like let's assume I mean the Apollo 11 project the Apollo program, right?

02:18:09.000 Going to the moon.

02:18:10.000 That wasn't that was a national project at the time.

02:18:12.000 There was a huge amount of resources put towards it from a relative to what NASA is today. 0.61

02:18:18.000 But we didn't just fucking all come together with a big, you know, f piece of fabric and fling some people at the moon. 0.54

02:18:24.000 There's tech there's technology involved, right? 0.72

02:18:26.000 You can't do it without the technology.

02:18:28.000 That's that's the aspect of that answer that annoys me.

02:18:30.000 It's like no, you know.

02:18:31.000 I don't care how hard you try.

02:18:32.000 Try does not get you like precise down to within a thousandth of a of an inch, or in in the case of one of these vases, four-tenths of a micron, or six-tenths of a micron.

02:18:43.000 It's that's the most extreme precision I've seen on one of them.

02:18:45.000 It's a well it's interesting too that these vases, these small things that you can hold in your hand are evidence of this incredible technology.

02:18:55.000 When these enormous statues also exist.

02:18:59.000 But you don't think of the vases as being the thing that's the smoking gun, but it kinda is.

02:19:04.000 They are.

02:19:05.000 It's it because they it's because they predate the dynastic Egyptians, because they were buried with those people.

02:19:11.000 They exist we know they existed in those times.

02:19:14.000 You can't do that with the big statues, but it's I have a whole long two-hour talk about how these things connect to those things, like the tube drills and the precision and the machining.

02:19:24.000 It's the same technique, it's the stone types.

02:19:26.000 I mean, there God, there are there are a bunch of like tubular drills on the Great Pyramid, a whole bunch of them.

02:19:30.000 People don't know about them or where they are, but I've got pictures and I can show people.

02:19:34.000 The statues show the same machining marks.

02:19:36.000 The statues reflect the same precision.

02:19:39.000 The boxes, the the the obelisks, a lot of the stonework reflect the same thing as well.

02:19:44.000 The same tools were used, the same precision shows up.

02:19:47.000 And in pretty much all of those cases, the oldest and the best examples of all of those things are typically also the oldest.

02:19:55.000 Like it's like the the best examples of the oldest.

02:19:58.000 Yeah, the single piece columns are absolutely incredible.

02:20:01.000 Like those the Romans didn't make columns like that. 0.97

02:20:03.000 Like the fact that these columns of granite in Egypt, I mean they start off white and they get narrower and narrow and narrow, and then they flare out at the top, and it's all a single piece.

02:20:12.000 And that means that the entire piece that was quarried had to be as wide as the widest part at the top and then machined down.

02:20:19.000 These columns have friggin' vertical, they have lathe centering points on them.

02:20:23.000 Like there's like a hundred like imagine it's like a hundred and fifty tons r turning on a vertical lathe or something that they did to create some of these things.

02:20:29.000 So there's points that show that it was on a list.

02:20:31.000 Oh, it was definitely centering points at uh yeah, on these columns.

02:20:34.000 There's a forest of them laying out at Tannis, and you can see it on the endpoints.

02:20:37.000 And it's can we show that?

02:20:39.000 That's nuts.

02:20:41.000 And what is the weight of these things?

02:20:42.000 Oh, up to I mean, I imagine the bigger ones are maybe hundred, hundred and fifty tons, two hundred tons.

02:20:48.000 They and you have these existing on old kingdom sites.

02:20:51.000 They Sicara, Giza, Abu Sea, the single piece columns.

02:20:54.000 They are also on sites later on that are attributed to the New Kingdom, places like the Luxort Temple or Karnak.

02:21:00.000 However, I think that those places or had a granite core and an infrastructure there already, and then those kings of the New Kingdom, Seti I, Maranpatar, Ramses II, built around them, and you can see the difference in technology but of what's in the granite core with the giant obelisks and the columns and the granite buildings that look like the valley temple and the old structures.

02:21:22.000 Then outside of that it's all sandstone and it's blocks.

02:21:25.000 And they made giant columns too, but they're made from blocks of sandstone.

02:21:28.000 They would stack them up and shave them down.

02:21:30.000 It's a much softer stone, and making blocks out of rounds and just you know, making columns out of rounds is way easier than trying to build a single flared, you know, um granite column.

02:21:41.000 And even the Romans.

02:21:43.000 I mean, it has to have been something like that.

02:21:45.000 I it can't have been that all the way, because you have uh actually, Jamie, in that precision large um directory, there's a picture of a column end.

02:21:54.000 Like it's I'm standing next to this amazing end piece, but some of them are faceted, so it can't have all been lathe work.

02:22:01.000 Right.

02:22:01.000 They have little they have little buttresses and features, but certainly the column of the lathe, the circular part could have been done.

02:22:08.000 Or the the column.

02:22:09.000 The uh the center of the column could have been done on a lathe, I'm sorry.

02:22:13.000 Uh yeah, it's it's fascinating.

02:22:15.000 I mean how big is this leaf.

02:22:18.000 I mean, this is Chris Dunn thinks Yeah, I mean that's one of the columns I'm standing next to.

02:22:18.000 Huge.

02:22:22.000 Uh that's at Tanis.

02:22:24.000 And if you flip through there's there's like a column endpoint that's yeah, there's an end there.

02:22:28.000 So see the s there's a hole in the in the tip.

02:22:32.000 So you have you have lot this is a place called Temple of Bastet, and there were forests of these things.

02:22:37.000 Like look at that part.

02:22:38.000 That thing is one of the most favorite artifacts in all of Egypt.

02:22:44.000 It is immaculate.

02:22:45.000 That that the faceting.

02:22:47.000 Look at that that bull nose that runs up the center of that frond of the palm, because these are like palm-shaped pillars.

02:22:53.000 I mean, it tapers.

02:22:54.000 It's thick on one end and it thins right down to the end, and it's exactly the same on either side.

02:22:58.000 I on each of these fronds.

02:23:00.000 I I would love to get there and and scan this thing.

02:23:04.000 Uh one of my favorite pieces, and you just had like I mean, probably hundreds of these things on these sites.

02:23:11.000 I mean, even it goes back in time.

02:23:14.000 Again, this is from this is these are pick these are columns from Sicara and um Abusia, which are all old kingdom sites.

02:23:21.000 So again, these are existing in the early times.

02:23:23.000 They didn't build columns like this later in the civilization, they build them with um sandstone pieces.

02:23:27.000 Go back to those images again, please.

02:23:29.000 Look how crazy that looks.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 One solid piece of granite.

02:23:35.000 Yeah, and flared.

02:23:36.000 Even the Romans who who by all accounts had far superior technology to the Egyptians. 0.98

02:23:42.000 They had force multipliers, they had iron, they had all sorts of mathematical skill they got from the Greeks.

02:23:48.000 They've built they built single piece granite um uh pillars, but they but they were they were tapered the whole way.

02:23:55.000 Like they w and they weren't anything as precise.

02:23:57.000 They're quite rough.

02:23:58.000 If you go you've been to the Pantheon, this one's one of my favorites.

02:24:01.000 Um this is called Pompeii's Pillar, you can see the dude standing at the bottom.

02:24:05.000 Like this is like I've actually got a picture of me there as well, but it's Yeah, you see that dude at the bottom.

02:24:14.000 Yeah.

02:24:15.000 Zoom out so we can see the whole thing with him.

02:24:17.000 It's not working.

02:24:19.000 There it is.

02:24:20.000 Look at that.

02:24:21.000 So I think that's been a re that's a reworked column that the Romans reworked, and they either they carved that head top uh or it's a separate stone.

02:24:28.000 I'm not actually sure.

02:24:30.000 But this is um this is in Alexandria in Egypt.

02:24:33.000 But huge.

02:24:35.000 And where did that come from?

02:24:36.000 And so this is how they do it.

02:24:38.000 Uh that's I don't I mean it it's Aswanian granite.

02:24:41.000 It's but it's it's like a thousand kilometers away.

02:24:43.000 So then when you get to New Kingdom.

02:24:45.000 So that's what this is what they yes, so this is the stacked rounds of sandstone, and this is I always like to show people this corner of Karnak because it's an unfinished column on the end there.

02:24:54.000 You can see how they did it.

02:24:55.000 They'd stack up those blocks and they basically shave it down.

02:24:58.000 And they would end up and this is imitation too, right?

02:24:58.000 Uh-huh.

02:25:01.000 This is the other a key thing you see, even with the vases, they would I mean, people knew what was sophisticated. 0.81

02:25:07.000 Like anyone who works with stone, whether you're primitive or not, you see you see an artifact like that or one of those statues or a column out of stone, you're like, holy shit, how did they do that?

02:25:15.000 So you it's from the gods, right?

02:25:17.000 I'm going to imitate it and I'm going to try and replicate it.

02:25:20.000 And so they were doing their best to replicate and imitate um But with sandstone.

02:25:24.000 With sandstone and in it and a technological method that they were capable of, which is to put blocks of sandstone up.

02:25:29.000 Right.

02:25:30.000 Shave it down and make it make it look like one of these columns.

02:25:33.000 And they did great work, right?

02:25:34.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:25:36.000 Karnak is this is the great sort of hyperstyle hall at Karnak.

02:25:39.000 It's phenomenal.

02:25:41.000 And it is the work of the New Kingdom. 0.93

02:25:43.000 Um but it still pales in technological significance to like the older stuff, the single piece stuff.

02:25:50.000 But it's fabulous.

02:25:52.000 Like it this is I love the Karnak's one of my favorite places because you have all those examples right in front of you of like high tech and then low tech.

02:25:59.000 And so by New Kingdom, what year Uh so like uh 40 and 1500 BC.

02:26:08.000 So even then, they're still doing spectacular stuff.

02:26:10.000 It's just not as sophisticated.

02:26:12.000 It was by all right.

02:26:13.000 It by all the Kentucky Old Kingdom or in the New Kingdom, that was Egypt's height, like the height of the dynastic Egyptian civilization, like Ramses II in particular, who like always call him the you know, the the greatest of the Egyptian kings.

02:26:25.000 They would just Egypt had the most power, the most wealth, the most ability to do that sort of work, so they built these great temples.

02:26:32.000 And it just it's very, very clear.

02:26:35.000 Yeah, this is that Pompeii's pillar that they call it.

02:26:38.000 It's very clear that um they built them around and on top of existing infrastructure.

02:26:44.000 In fact, at Karnak, which is attributed to Ramses II, I mean you again the devils and the details.

02:26:50.000 You have the names of kings that go back all the way to the old kingdom on various structures.

02:26:54.000 You also at one point at that in that hall where they've pulled up a massive floor tile.

02:26:59.000 Underneath the ground at the bottom there is a is a column base.

02:27:02.000 It's another like an older and white calcite column base that is the same sort of column base that you see on the very oldest of sites.

02:27:11.000 Which tells you there was a columned hall here before and either got destroyed or knocked down, but the whole place was rebuilt.

02:27:18.000 You you you see this evidence for these layers of infrastructure on these sites that tells you, okay, this is you it's like looking at these ancient sites, you always have to keep that that in the back of your head, like alright, there's been thousands of years of not only inheritance, but renovation and reuse and claiming.

02:27:34.000 Like it's it's you know, people have asked me if I think the statues are so old, how come they look like dynastic Egyptians?

02:27:43.000 I think the answer is it's the other way around.

02:27:46.000 I think the dynastic Egyptians look like the statues. 0.99

02:27:50.000 So if you imagine there's there's evidence for like five or six of these giant thousand ton statues.

02:27:56.000 Like which are the typical uh stuff you see at Luxor with the you know, the head jet and the the Nemes crown or the big the bowling pin thing on the head, and they're always in that iconic symbolic style of ancient Egypt.

02:28:09.000 Can you go to some of those?

02:28:10.000 Yeah, I have the precision large has probably got the statues.

02:28:13.000 Um imagine that you are a a a tribal culture that's emerging from the dark from this the stone age, but you have this history and these legends of these stories and you come across Yes, of this iconic this iconic look.

02:28:26.000 And again, this stretches back.

02:28:27.000 This is an old kingdom status, it's attributed to this is made of diorite, by the way.

02:28:30.000 This is called Cuffray enthroned, one of my favourite statues.

02:28:33.000 With the columns from Sak from Sakar in the background.

02:28:35.000 So this is made out of that same possibly hard stone.

02:28:38.000 Yes, it's like a six point five to a seven on the most scale.

02:28:41.000 And it's it's phenom this is an incredible statue.

02:28:45.000 And this is has exhibits that facial symmetry as well.

02:28:48.000 I've not seen the actual scans from this, but this thing actually has two bladill marks and and saw cuts in it too.

02:28:48.000 It looks like it.

02:28:54.000 So it's it's got between his heels is a you see the remnants of a tube drill.

02:28:59.000 Keep that there, please.

02:29:00.000 I've probably got a picture of that in my machining directory of the actual the tube drill between the heels.

02:29:06.000 And then in the legs on the inside, you can actually see overcuts, like a saw cuts from where there was they they cut too deeply into this insanely hard stone, and it's it's overrun.

02:29:17.000 Which is if you were doing this by hand, that's a mistake you'd have to be making for about four hours, you know, to actually get the depth of the cut.

02:29:24.000 But if you had some sort of power tool that was moving removing material quickly, it's you can overcut in there.

02:29:29.000 And there's like little mistakes.

02:29:31.000 Go to the full of of this, please.

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 So your thoughts are that the Egyptians were imitating these ancient looks.

02:29:40.000 Yes.

02:29:41.000 I think they I think they inherited their iconography from the things the artifacts that they that they gained in in like statues like this, uh fr and also the thousand ton versions of statues like this.

02:29:55.000 And I mean, if you look at their art style, this is one of the things that blows my mind.

02:29:59.000 It's it's it's like across that three thousand year civilization, that iconography didn't change very much.

02:30:05.000 Like it's the same look.

02:30:07.000 And you and and how do the kings draw themselves on the walls?

02:30:10.000 They're always trying to position themselves as being one of the gods, right?

02:30:13.000 They always talk about eventually they got this aura of divinity, you became a god like the pharaohs became divine.

02:30:19.000 That wasn't always the case. 0.89

02:30:21.000 But they grew into that over time as that civilization progressed, and they always match themselves and they try to make themselves look like the gods, and again, eventually once you get hubris and ego involved in some of these really big, really rich kings, you're like, damn it, I am one of the gods.

02:30:36.000 Put my name on your statue, that's how I want to be remembered.

02:30:38.000 And that's there were multiple gods.

02:30:40.000 Seti I did it, m his son Ramses II, his son Maren Patar, particularly in the New Kingdom.

02:30:46.000 I mean, Petrie called Ramses the Great Usurper.

02:30:49.000 That's what his name for him, because he was putting his name on everything trying to label himself as one of the kings.

02:30:54.000 And I think if you you look at that I can from old from the old kingdom through to the Ptolemaic era, it's the same.

02:31:01.000 Like they're they're depicting themselves as one of these gods who are always depicted in the same way, and that's that's like that's part of it from day one, like it feels like.

02:31:09.000 So and I think where do you get that picture from?

02:31:12.000 It's like that uh the uh what's the the what's the the poem from Percy Shelley?

02:31:19.000 Uh Ozimandius, look on my works, ye mighty in despair.

02:31:24.000 Like it's literally a poem by Percy Shelley that talks about it.

02:31:26.000 He actually gets it from I think Diodora Sic, an account of Diodorus Siculus coming across at one of these statues in the desert that's a thousand tons.

02:31:34.000 It's like a weary traveller in a desert of in an unknown land comes along two to vast and trunkless legs of stone over like nearby a shattered visage lies, still like sort of sneer full of sneer and arrogance, and it's it's basically written upon this uh stone of the words my name is Ozzy Mandius, King of Kings, look on my work, ye mighty in despair.

02:31:58.000 And there the and the endless sand stretch far away.

02:32:01.000 It's I mean I'm paraphrasing.

02:32:04.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 Especially when they become kings.

02:32:06.000 There it is.

02:32:08.000 Look on my works, ye mighty and despair.

02:32:11.000 Nothing beside remains round and round the case, that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone level sandstretch.

02:32:16.000 So it's like if you imagine you come across in the s in the sand in the desert and you find the remnants of a thousand ton statu.

02:32:22.000 Have you have you probably I'm sure you've seen pictures of the Ramesseum and the thousand ton statues.

02:32:27.000 Like there's four or five of them at least that happened, but they're incredible.

02:32:32.000 Single piece stone statues that were moved in some cases up to a thousand, like six, seven hundred miles away.

02:32:41.000 I've I have them in a collo I have them in like colossal directory.

02:32:45.000 And did they fall from earthquakes?

02:32:47.000 Is that the speculation?

02:32:48.000 I suspect either that or uh the hands of men.

02:32:51.000 I think it was like I think with enough dudes with enough leverage you can probably yeet that thing over and and it'll crack when it falls.

02:32:58.000 And I think it's they were definitely there was a long period of them destroying all the gods and all the icon and all the you know the the false idols of the past.

02:33:06.000 Of course.

02:33:06.000 There's at a place called Tannis, there's a foot, there's a giant foot that I can't I mean, my whole outstretched hand wouldn't fit in the toenail.

02:33:14.000 And it's a repurposed block of granite, and Petrie found it, and there's other pieces of this statue.

02:33:19.000 So we know it was a s a statue that had it been standing, it's about the same size as the Statue of Liberty without the pedestal.

02:33:28.000 Um the foot's about the same size, just give it a a frame of reference.

02:33:32.000 And that thing's made from Aswanian granite.

02:33:34.000 Now Tannis is in the north, and that's one's and it's it's north of Cairo, like it's up in the delta towards the Mediterranean, and and Cairo's down here.

02:33:41.000 It's like a thousand kilometers.

02:33:43.000 So someone at some point took a at least a thousand ton, probably f more like fifteen hundred ton block of stone, because they didn't finish them, they didn't ship them finished.

02:33:51.000 We know they finished stuff on site.

02:33:54.000 Like a thousand kilometers north.

02:34:00.000 Is that the the foot?

02:34:01.000 Uh the foot at Tannis.

02:34:03.000 No, that's it there, the first one.

02:34:05.000 Yeah.

02:34:06.000 I in my um I was looking, I didn't see it.

02:34:10.000 In the massive uh just actually my uh my my video thumbnail there on the ancient tennis, largest stone statue ever made.

02:34:18.000 Which one?

02:34:19.000 Uh pr uh uh giant huge objects.

02:34:21.000 Huge objects.

02:34:23.000 Yeah.

02:34:26.000 So there's go up one, that's the foot there.

02:34:26.000 There you go.

02:34:29.000 So you see that's the it's actually it's funny because this box block's been repurposed.

02:34:33.000 It's been cut off on both sides and used as a block in a wall.

02:34:36.000 They cut the front off it and the back off it and stuck it in and rebuilt it with it.

02:34:39.000 This thing this uh there's a picture of the whole arm when it was put together in that directory.

02:34:44.000 So that's a giant thumb.

02:34:46.000 Wow holding a scroll and they put the whole arm together.

02:34:49.000 There's I got one picture of it.

02:34:51.000 One time I was there, they put the whole arm together, and that is probably the most impressive example uh.

02:35:01.000 It's in there, I'm sure.

02:35:03.000 Let's see.

02:35:04.000 It's that um down, down, down.

02:35:06.000 Yep, up, up one.

02:35:07.000 There you go.

02:35:08.000 Yeah, so this this is uh it's made from composite quartzite.

02:35:11.000 So this is at Karnak.

02:35:12.000 This is one of several of statues of this size at Karnak.

02:35:16.000 And what's impressive about this, they actually they put this together for one year and then they took it apart because and I got told that it was because they didn't people were freaking out about how big this must have been. 0.99

02:35:24.000 They didn't kind of it gives a sense of scale, and then people are like, what the fuck? 0.93

02:35:27.000 How are they doing this? 0.94

02:35:28.000 So they took it apart again.

02:35:30.000 But you can still see the thumb there today, so it's turned on its side.

02:35:33.000 Now what's cool about this is is that it's a straight arm.

02:35:36.000 So a lot of those statues, like the one at the Ramesseum, they're seated, so they always have their elbows bent at their knees.

02:35:41.000 Mm-hmm.

02:35:41.000 This thing was standing.

02:35:43.000 So it was a standing statue, thousand tons made from composite quartzite, which is in a lot of ways more difficult to work than granite.

02:35:50.000 It's a very hard compressed form of sandstone.

02:35:54.000 It's like six point five to seven, but it's full of flint.

02:35:57.000 It's a stone carver's nightmare.

02:35:59.000 It's it's like you can see the chunks of flint in the stone, but they somehow work that surface just with no problem going over flint, which is seven, seven and a half on the most scale.

02:36:09.000 The trick with this statue is where that stone came from.

02:36:12.000 That's it's a Karnak in the south. 0.96

02:36:14.000 Aswan for granite, bit further south.

02:36:17.000 Composite quartzite doesn't come from Aswan.

02:36:19.000 It comes from the Red Mountains north of Cairo.

02:36:23.000 And the tricky part here is that that the Nile River flows north, right?

02:36:27.000 So it's it's like it people it's because it's north of people like, oh, it's flying up, but it flows to the north.

02:36:32.000 So they had to take the block for that thing.

02:36:35.000 I'd say fun fifteen hundred tons easy.

02:36:38.000 They had to bring that up river, up river.

02:36:42.000 Six hundred miles or something.

02:36:44.000 Five hundred miles.

02:36:46.000 Wow.

02:36:47.000 I don't know how you explain that.

02:36:49.000 And there's certainly no depictions of them doing that.

02:36:52.000 That's I that is that is a a logistical feat.

02:36:56.000 I mean, it's I don't know how you can rival it.

02:36:58.000 It was a national project.

02:37:00.000 Don't you get it?

02:37:03.000 Don't you get it?

02:37:04.000 Just a national project.

02:37:05.000 They really wanted to.

02:37:06.000 Dude.

02:37:07.000 It's well, it's one of those really amazing mysteries because the actual facts of it are so spectacular that it defies any conventional explanation.

02:37:17.000 To the point where it it opens up people to the possibility that maybe we don't know.

02:37:22.000 It um almost every anyone listening to this, it's even remotely reasonable that sees that goes, oh okay.

02:37:30.000 I think I think this picture's a lot bigger than we thought it was.

02:37:33.000 Yeah.

02:37:34.000 That's honestly my response to it too, is I don't know how they did this.

02:37:38.000 I uh you can't do it primitive fashion.

02:37:41.000 Like w we literally tried.

02:37:42.000 Like we've had the Thunderstone is the other is the How would they even do it today.

02:37:46.000 Hydraulics and diesel power, like huge bar.

02:37:48.000 I mean, I I didn't even know.

02:37:50.000 You try to move I mean it's like makes newspaper headlines when they shift a load of like a hundred and fifty tons on a on a truck somewhere.

02:37:56.000 I a thousand tons these days?

02:38:00.000 1500 tons.

02:38:01.000 I mean we have cranes, we we have the capability, but it's usually by water on giant I don't know if we could how we transport a load like that over anything other than water.

02:38:09.000 Imagine the wooden boat and how hard those dudes are rowing.

02:38:14.000 Up river too.

02:38:15.000 Not only that, how deep is the water and when you're dealing with a hundred and fifty tons, how far does it sink?

02:38:22.000 Displacement.

02:38:23.000 Yeah.

02:38:24.000 How much of a boat do you need?

02:38:26.000 And can you fit a boat that wide?

02:38:28.000 In the in parts of the nile you can, but I'll tell you this, and I've looked at this. 0.98

02:38:33.000 That you sure as shit can't do it at the quarry because this is what they say. 0.97

02:38:37.000 You go to the quarry, and this is a example I like to give people all the time. 0.99

02:38:41.000 The unfinished obelisk.

02:38:42.000 You know, at the Aswan quarry, one thousand two hundred tons, more or less.

02:38:46.000 Like ten tons off or something.

02:38:48.000 They will tell you that, oh yeah, so this this low area in the quarry, that's the harbor where they parked the boat to take the to take the stone.

02:38:55.000 I mean, you just it's there is no chance that you could put that thing on a boat that even would it's it's like this this is not in the realms of possibility for a boat to displace enough water to take a load like at that obelisk.

02:39:08.000 It would literally just be this giant ka clunk.

02:39:10.000 It would just it it just can't happen.

02:39:12.000 And what's more, that quarry or that that harbour in the quarry, it's that isn't a harbour.

02:39:20.000 They that's an extraction. 0.98

02:39:22.000 They pulled a fucking block out of there the same size as the obelisk. 0.98

02:39:27.000 It's and it's gone. 0.99

02:39:28.000 You can see it.

02:39:29.000 I showed we it's an off limits area to the quarry, but uh we kind of get in there every time.

02:39:34.000 So someone somehow pulled that off.

02:39:37.000 It's already been done a hundred percent.

02:39:39.000 We know it has because we've got the statues of blocks of that size and and tonnage have been have been successfully transported and shaped.

02:39:45.000 However, in that place they call the quarry in the harbour, it is it's all scoop marks, it's the same technology, and it w here's where it gets wild.

02:39:53.000 Is that that there's you can see the extraction that's come out.

02:39:56.000 It's massive, like it basically like the obelisk, the unfinished obelisk.

02:40:00.000 So something like an order of twelve to thirteen hundred tons in a piece got pulled out of there.

02:40:05.000 And on in the corner, right up at the end where you see the boxy end of whatever this was was taken out on the wall, there's red ochre painting.

02:40:13.000 It's paintings of like emus or flamingos and some other dolphins and other stuff.

02:40:18.000 And it it's an identical match for the art style and paintings that you find on pre-dynastic pottery that comes from Nicaragua and before.

02:40:30.000 It's exactly the same.

02:40:31.000 It's not it's not dynastic Egyptian it's predynastic artwork.

02:40:36.000 That's been put on the wall.

02:40:39.000 I hope I have pictures of that.

02:40:40.000 I know I do on here.

02:40:41.000 Um It's actually I have a video called um it's it's on my I have a video where we look at all this on my channel.

02:40:48.000 But it is it's the exact same artwork that you see on the the vessel.

02:40:51.000 So it's to me it's an indication of there was a primitive these people that were there are living there in the thousands of years before the dynastic Egyptian civilization rose were obviously in that quarry and they found this convenient wall to put some artwork on and they painted on it.

02:41:05.000 Which tells you that well, this extraction had to happen before that, right?

02:41:08.000 It had to have been taken out before that.

02:41:10.000 And how far before?

02:41:12.000 Can't date the stone.

02:41:12.000 We don't know.

02:41:13.000 So But somebody took a piece like that out of there.

02:41:16.000 100%.

02:41:17.000 With the same technology, the scoop marks and stuff.

02:41:20.000 Um could have you found anything on that, Jamie?

02:41:27.000 So to give people a reference.

02:41:29.000 Yeah, the unfinished obelisk is uh how many feet.

02:41:32.000 I have that up on now.

02:41:34.000 Uh that is definitely in that uh other directory.

02:41:38.000 Okay, hold on.

02:41:39.000 Uh that's yeah, that's the that's the the video about the obelisk.

02:41:43.000 Um finished obelisk is how long?

02:41:46.000 Oh God, it's it's gotta be um I don't know, a hundred feet long or something like that.

02:41:53.000 It's a ninety, eighty ninety feet long, I'm thinking.

02:41:56.000 You'll see it in the picture.

02:41:57.000 It's I mean it's a giant, giant block.

02:42:00.000 I mean, so it's not extracted either, that's what I should say.

02:42:02.000 It's it is it is still attached to the bedrock.

02:42:04.000 So they were cutting it out.

02:42:05.000 And then for whatever reason they stopped.

02:42:07.000 But if if you assume that the uh obelisk would have a square section, which means you know, same width as you know, like this, a square section, it would have it it's mass with the granite there at like two point seven tons per cubic meter is is roughly one thousand two hundred tons.

02:42:26.000 That's what they say.

02:42:27.000 That's what they say.

02:42:29.000 I don't think so.

02:42:30.000 I don't think that it doesn't to me that's hard to say whether it was cracked or not.

02:42:33.000 It was people tried to quarry it after.

02:42:36.000 There wasn't much attempt made to quarry.

02:42:37.000 I don't know why you would even if it cracked, why not use it?

02:42:40.000 If it's actually part if it was done during dynastic Egypt, I mean you've done all that work.

02:42:45.000 You've cut out the trenches on all of it around.

02:42:48.000 You could cut pieces out of that.

02:42:49.000 It'd take way less work.

02:42:50.000 You want to get a smaller piece of stone for something else?

02:42:53.000 Just cut it.

02:42:54.000 Like you you should use it, but it that's not that's not what happened.

02:42:57.000 Unless their technology was so sophisticated that what they wanted was very specific and they could just do it again.

02:43:03.000 Yeah, and maybe it didn't crack.

02:43:04.000 I think that's an example, like you do see on a lot of these sites like the Serapium, like the Assyrian at the quarry that something happened that meant tools down.

02:43:12.000 Yeah, so here's the painting.

02:43:13.000 This is this is the pictographs.

02:43:15.000 Um if you compare that to what's on like the pre dynastic vases, you'll see exactly the same thing.

02:43:21.000 Now so these depictions of flamingos.

02:43:24.000 Um was it possible to date the paint that they used?

02:43:30.000 I think you probably could.

02:43:31.000 I don't know if anybody ever has.

02:43:32.000 I'd love to ha see that done.

02:43:34.000 Um for that to happen.

02:43:37.000 That's that's a very good point.

02:43:39.000 Because it's it just there's a few things in Egypt where I'm like, why don't we date that?

02:43:44.000 Sorry, Jamie, scroll down a little bit.

02:43:46.000 Sorry, the side that scoopy thing the uh no uh below that yeah, they're right there.

02:43:52.000 Well what's that?

02:43:53.000 So that's another piece near um in the quarry. 0.91

02:43:56.000 And this is puts the light of the stupid uh pounding stone theory of um of uh of what how they explain this in the mainstream because these scoop marks they tell you are are pounding stones. 0.63

02:44:06.000 This is another big piece. 0.92

02:44:07.000 This is probably we guess this piece it was probably gonna be like a smaller seated statue, but still something's maybe 150 tons.

02:44:14.000 And they were they were cutting this out.

02:44:16.000 So this you can see this is the process of like carving out underneath it.

02:44:20.000 Mm-hmm.

02:44:20.000 And so you can get in these trenches and and it and the scoop marks are crazy though, because they they extend basically from the top of the wall, like fifteen feet straight down these l these ridges, they go all along the ground under and then up on the roof side.

02:44:33.000 So if you're pan you're pounding you would have been doing this, pounding up to pound that out.

02:44:38.000 And it also it's a very sharp turn on the inside.

02:44:40.000 There's some it's the result of some tool.

02:44:42.000 Also, someone's gonna be underneath it when it finally cracks loose.

02:44:45.000 Yep.

02:44:45.000 That would not yep, not a don't want to draw that short straw, thank you very much.

02:44:50.000 Yeah, we take people down into that area around this uh block every time, it's great and there's very bizarre looking.

02:44:56.000 And you can grab that stone and whack at it and just see how how little effect you'll have with the me, you know.

02:45:02.000 But those stones were is that an example of what they are trying to claim was used?

02:45:06.000 Yes.

02:45:07.000 How long would that take?

02:45:08.000 So is that the unfinished obelisk?

02:45:10.000 That is the unfinished obelisk. 0.95

02:45:11.000 And so where is that sucker cracked?

02:45:14.000 So there's couple cracks, right?

02:45:16.000 So this is the thing that there's there's attempts at quarrying that have been made.

02:45:19.000 It's it's I think it's that crack up the towards the top.

02:45:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:45:23.000 Um is what they say uh how it cracked, but we don't know how it's we don't know if it cracked after the fact either.

02:45:29.000 It's possible that I mean, like a lot of these places that it was a tools down situation, just something happened to stop, whether it's civil unrest, cataclysm.

02:45:37.000 Right.

02:45:38.000 And this thing was buried too.

02:45:39.000 Like that it's that's the thing.

02:45:40.000 There was a lot of quarrying that happened after this at higher levels.

02:45:44.000 Like so this is you've got to imagine when you go to this quarry, it's like they've cut the top off a granite mountain.

02:45:48.000 They've taken so much granite out of there.

02:45:50.000 Huge granite mountain, so to get down to you know, this sort of high quality granite, which is not surface level granite, you have to go ten, twelve, fifteen meters into granite to get blocks that are even possible to be this size.

02:46:04.000 Or this, you know, one single piece.

02:46:06.000 And in fact, even now the you can see the like all of this has changed.

02:46:09.000 This is not ha there's no staircase, all of that gravel up to the north of that has all been moved.

02:46:15.000 We're still clearing the site out, or they are.

02:46:18.000 But when this was first discovered, it was buried in like seven, eight meters of quarry rubble from all of the quarrying that had happened above it and around it, like for thousands of years.

02:46:29.000 Yeah, this was buried.

02:46:31.000 How'd they know it was there?

02:46:32.000 Well, so there was a there was a like an edge, one little edge piece poking out.

02:46:36.000 Like, what the hell is this?

02:46:37.000 And then it was uh how would it was It was Flinders Petrie's assistant who actually excavated that site and he had to like split a bunch of big blocks to even get it out of the way.

02:46:47.000 Took them forever, but they eventually uncovered it all.

02:46:50.000 Yeah.

02:46:50.000 But it was the back end of it's like seven, eight meters of rubble that they had to clear out.

02:46:50.000 Wow.

02:46:55.000 I mean Yeah.

02:46:56.000 That's nuts.

02:46:58.000 It's and to me it's like it's quite plausible, it's a possibility that that was there.

02:46:58.000 Yeah, it is.

02:47:04.000 It was done.

02:47:07.000 Oh, for sure.

02:47:08.000 They mean there's many more quarries.

02:47:09.000 That's just this is just because that's in the quarry, that's the quarry that's sort of been cleared and made available for tourists, but just tons of quarries.

02:47:16.000 Like there's yeah, these are great pictures.

02:47:18.000 Um that's the the dual image.

02:47:20.000 This is uh when it first popped out.

02:47:23.000 Yeah, so they had this section of it and they're like, wow, this is something else, but what happened with the pounding stones are really interesting because there were thousands of them uh on the site, these round stones.

02:47:34.000 However, the vast majority of them were broken.

02:47:38.000 They were split.

02:47:40.000 And God, I I I'm blanking on the name of the guy who excavated the site.

02:47:44.000 Um However, he was like, Huh, how come these are all broken?

02:47:48.000 And he tried to break them.

02:47:49.000 So he stood up on like a you know, fifteen feet up and he's hurling these stones down onto the granite and like bang, bang, you had to do it like ten times and eventually he cracks a chip off on them because they're they're dollarite, they're hard, they are harder stone.

02:48:01.000 And look, you will eventually create enough dust, eventually.

02:48:06.000 I mean it's it's like the there actually have been studies done, uh Dennis Stocks did a study and it's the volume, it's basically you remove about I think it was two thirds the volume of a golf ball in an hour of pounding.

02:48:22.000 Yo.

02:48:23.000 So not a lot.

02:48:24.000 Not a lot.

02:48:25.000 And if you can imagine I like to tell people it's like you can only fit like, you know, these these trenches around this col it's not like you can put a thousand dudes in here, they've got to sit in there's like one person in one spot and dudes.

02:48:25.000 Yeah.

02:48:36.000 And so all you have to do is imagine all of that space being filled up with golf balls, add another third for the you know, because it's two thirds a golf ball, and then maybe add another half again to that to account for the negative space between the balls, that's how many hours it would take, which is y I mean, decades of effort.

02:48:54.000 Like it's not it's not remotely possible to do it in any reasonable time frame.

02:48:58.000 People can't pounding stones is like come on.

02:49:00.000 How do you break it free?

02:49:02.000 Well, that's the issue.

02:49:03.000 Who's underneath it when they're pounding? 0.96

02:49:05.000 Like how does it think these balls were.

02:49:08.000 So I think the ri they're very difficult to break. 1.00

02:49:10.000 They've taken away all the broken ones.

02:49:12.000 The only ones on site now are these like little nice rounded ones.

02:49:15.000 And even then you you can't do it from all a couple you have to kind of let it go and catch it and you would your arms would burn out in no time.

02:49:22.000 But I think the reason so many were broken, I actually I think and you can actually see this in the in the harbour area, there are these channels that I think they cut under them.

02:49:31.000 You can see the remnants of them where they took the big extraction out.

02:49:34.000 And I suspect what they did was they would shove these balls of dolerite in there and it would provide them enough movement or just enough support where they could cu they could cut the rest of the of the whatever scoop out or remove the the other attachment points. 0.98

02:49:49.000 And then you're also once you get out of that trench, you can now shift this thing ever so slightly to get whatever you would need to get under it to lift it up out of there.

02:49:57.000 Because that's the other problem with the obelisk is like it's on an angle, and I mean the trench is gonna be when it's complete, they didn't they had only dug down two two thirds as deep as they needed to go.

02:50:10.000 So that trench at its its thickest point would have been like twelve, fifteen feet deep down there and you got to get under it.

02:50:17.000 So you still you it's on an angle, you have to lift that thing up fifteen, twenty feet up in the air to get it out of the trench.

02:50:23.000 And then somehow move it to get into this rocky crazy environment to move it to get it somewhere to then take it wherever else you're taking it.

02:50:29.000 But you'd have to be able to maneuver.

02:50:32.000 So I think I honestly think those dollarite balls could have been used as primitive ball bearings that were just that's all they were used for was to support it while you cut it free and then it would a lot of them would have snapped in half under the mass of something like that, which explains why so many of them were broken.

02:50:48.000 Because you ain't broken those things by pounding on them.

02:50:51.000 Like it's just not gonna break.

02:50:53.000 Well that actually makes sense that they were used as some sort of a ball bearing.

02:50:56.000 Yeah.

02:50:58.000 But even so, even if that's the case, like how what?

02:51:02.000 Well, how you lifting it?

02:51:03.000 What are you doing to lift that obelisk out? 0.60

02:51:05.000 How many people are involved if it's just manually broken?

02:51:08.000 You cannot fit enough people around that obelisk to even come close.

02:51:12.000 Like not you're probably not even to get ten percent of the amount of pe like it's so it's such a rock rocky weird there's you can't fit that many people around it today.

02:51:21.000 I have no idea how they I mean I don't think they were doing this without the expectation that they could get it done.

02:51:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:27.000 But what kind of conventional explanation is this?

02:51:27.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:51:31.000 There's nothing.

02:51:31.000 It's nothing.

02:51:32.000 They just gloss over it.

02:51:32.000 There's nothing.

02:51:33.000 We don't know.

02:51:34.000 They say we don't know.

02:51:35.000 They don't address the realities of the thousand tons stuff.

02:51:38.000 I've not seen anyone address those realities.

02:51:40.000 Well okay.

02:51:41.000 So they do.

02:51:44.000 And there's and it's like with logistics, they will show you pictures where the Egyptians are moving something that is a hundred tons or a hundred and fifty tons and say, see.

02:51:55.000 Now that's not how logistics works.

02:51:58.000 So for example, with the statues, we know they scale right up to you know, thousand tons or more.

02:52:05.000 There is a picture on a tomb of a guy named Dejuti Hotep.

02:52:08.000 And I've got this in the statues directory, I think.

02:52:10.000 It's a c it's a painting on a wall.

02:52:12.000 And it's it's it's a it's a sled with this statue, and there is like, you know, rows of guys, they've got the you know, the imprint of dudes behind dudes, and they're all pulling on a rope.

02:52:21.000 No pulleys, again, they didn't have force multipliers, they were just straight pulling, wooden levers, a wooden sled, they're dragging this statue.

02:52:28.000 In the case of this statue, we know about this statue, there's pieces of it left, it was made from alabaster, calcite's not as heavy as granite.

02:52:35.000 But it probably weighed the the the estimate of how much it weighed was fifty-seven tons.

02:52:39.000 Which is quite a lot, it's respectable, right?

02:52:41.000 And you can imagine, but with enough labor and on a sled, this is it.

02:52:45.000 This is a fifty-seven-ton statue, there's a guy pouring something on the sand or in front of them, so you can count all these dudes and the shadows of the dudes behind them on these ropes.

02:52:55.000 And so there's a figure about it, and there's been papers written about this.

02:52:58.000 There's literally, I think um a Japanese team wrote a paper about what would it take to do this.

02:53:03.000 And okay, this is possible.

02:53:04.000 For fifty-seven tons with enough people, enough horsepower, you can do it.

02:53:08.000 Now it's not like that scales up on like a linear increase in difficulty to something that's a thousand tons.

02:53:15.000 It's more of a logarithmic exp exponential curve.

02:53:18.000 You cannot you cannot take this explanation and apply it to something that's a thousand tons.

02:53:22.000 It's twenty times as heavy.

02:53:24.000 The coeff the friction coefficient goes through the roof.

02:53:27.000 That those sleds would literally just drive into the ground.

02:53:30.000 You can't you you get to m you're in you're in realms of mass where it's like material failure becomes a problem.

02:53:36.000 Wood is no longer sufficient to support that.

02:53:38.000 You cannot you certainly can't move it up any slopes.

02:53:42.000 You have to do all this ground preparation work to even attempt it.

02:53:45.000 And they move these things like a thousand kilometers.

02:53:49.000 If there's a place that you could go back in time and see that is it.

02:53:54.000 That is it.

02:53:55.000 Yeah, quarry would be a good one.

02:53:56.000 Aaron Powell, God, if you could go back in time just to see construction.

02:53:59.000 I guess quarry.

02:54:00.000 But I mean I mean pyramids and how are you lifting things?

02:54:03.000 What what do you what is your machinery look like?

02:54:03.000 What are you doing?

02:54:06.000 You must have some kind of technology that is just dust in the wind now.

02:54:10.000 It has to be.

02:54:11.000 Because we've tried this.

02:54:12.000 Like there's an ex- Do you know about the Thunderstone?

02:54:14.000 You heard of this thing?

02:54:15.000 No.

02:54:16.000 So no, I did hear about this.

02:54:16.000 Okay.

02:54:17.000 Yeah, so in like the 1700s, I think it was pre-industrial age.

02:54:22.000 Well, the early days.

02:54:23.000 But no diesel power, no hydraulics.

02:54:25.000 And this is the thunderstone.

02:54:26.000 So we did like in Russia, they moved this thing from Finland to Russia.

02:54:30.000 It's at St. Petersburg, they carved it as they went.

02:54:33.000 It's the it's the base now for a I think a bronze statue of of s of p of Peter the Great.

02:54:38.000 But this is how they did it.

02:54:39.000 And and so basically you can see the capstands, the the twist things these dudes are working on, that they're rotating.

02:54:46.000 They would dig these giant holes to anchor these big logs in the ground to then use pulleys and force multipliers with dudes on giant rails, and then they would have these huge big iron rails that they would put on the ground and carry back and forth, and the whole thing was was moving on these bronze spheres, these big giant bowling ball-sized spheres of bronze.

02:55:06.000 And on a good day they'd move this thing a hundred and fifty meters.

02:55:12.000 Still pretty impressive.

02:55:13.000 Yeah.

02:55:13.000 But it took them years and years.

02:55:15.000 And then it's it this thing weighed around fifteen hundred tons.

02:55:18.000 It's interesting that using bronze spheres, you know, brass spheres, I'm sorry.

02:55:25.000 Which is very similar to what you're describing with the obelisk.

02:55:28.000 Right.

02:55:29.000 But there's again, you when you compare the level of technology here to ancient Egypt.

02:55:33.000 Ain't there's nothing.

02:55:34.000 There's that they have they show you what they did with that Dizuti Hotope image.

02:55:38.000 It's a wooden sled, no force multipliers, no capstands, no pulleys, no none of that.

02:55:42.000 Just dudes yanking on a rope. 1.00

02:55:44.000 There's no evidence they use pulleys.

02:55:46.000 Pouring water on the sand, yeah, slippery.

02:55:47.000 Milk or whatever, right?

02:55:48.000 Oil.

02:55:49.000 Who knows? 1.00

02:55:49.000 It's it's just stupid. 1.00

02:55:50.000 You can't take you cannot explain it when it took us everything they had for years and years to move that. 1.00

02:55:56.000 And by the way, they did they took that across the Gulf of Finland.

02:56:00.000 And it wasn't on some little river barge either.

02:56:02.000 They built a giant platform, took them a year to build it, and then they had to put warships on either side of it to keep it balanced.

02:56:08.000 It's massive to even plop this thing in the center and hope that they got this thing over to Russia to then move it the rest of the way.

02:56:14.000 So it ain't no barge carrying a thousand tons down the Nile.

02:56:18.000 No.

02:56:19.000 That's nuts.

02:56:20.000 Something happened.

02:56:21.000 So it's all so fascinating.

02:56:23.000 And something happened is actually the only answer we have.

02:56:26.000 Yeah.

02:56:27.000 Yeah.

02:56:27.000 I would agree.

02:56:28.000 Yeah.

02:56:28.000 Ben, you're awesome, man.

02:56:30.000 I really, really appreciate you coming on here.

02:56:32.000 Your channel, Uncharted X, fantastic channel.

02:56:35.000 So much good content.

02:56:36.000 How long have you been doing it now?

02:56:38.000 I've been doing this.

02:56:39.000 I mean, I quit my job 10 years ago, but not, I mean, Uncharted X. Thank God you had the courage to do that.

02:56:45.000 It was a big old step.

02:56:46.000 The wife was like, what are you doing? 1.00

02:56:48.000 I know, but look, you were right.

02:56:50.000 It worked out.

02:56:51.000 I am super grateful that it's worked out.

02:56:53.000 And in fact, I I want to I mean obviously thank you for the hospitality and the invite.

02:56:56.000 And I genuinely also think dude, I I've come full circle with this a little bit.

02:57:01.000 Like I what got me into it in the first place, genu I mean, I was always interested, but it wasn't until Graham's first who I've gotten to know very well over the years.

02:57:11.000 I love that man.

02:57:12.000 It wasn't until his first appearance on your podcast back in the old days, like was it 2011, 2012?

02:57:17.000 Something like that.

02:57:21.000 That was just me and Duncan, that one.

02:57:22.000 You and Duncan?

02:57:23.000 At your house, it's your house.

02:57:23.000 Right.

02:57:25.000 That was what I was doing at my house.

02:57:26.000 That one was what really I mean, after that I followed him really closely.

02:57:30.000 I went to Peru and Bolivia with him in 2013 and then 2015 and went with him to Egypt.

02:57:35.000 So it's like the fact that I'm here talking to you now.

02:57:38.000 You you started me on this and it's it's come full circle.

02:57:40.000 So thank you for that.

02:57:41.000 And and the fact that you are interested in this topic, I think is such a boon to everyone else out there that you know you get to spread the word and and it's it's just such a benefit to the whole the whole space. 0.97

02:57:53.000 Well, I'm so happy that guys like you took that fucking baton and ran with it. 0.97

02:57:59.000 But I mean wild ride, I love it. 0.99

02:58:01.000 How I my my answer to all this is who's not?

02:58:04.000 I don't understand you if you're not interested in this.

02:58:06.000 How how is this not unbelievably fascinating?

02:58:10.000 Yeah.

02:58:11.000 100% I agree.

02:58:12.000 I that's that's what happened to me.

02:58:13.000 I fell down this pyramid-shaped hole and I was doing real I mean I had a I had quite a career before this in the tech world, but I mean I'd go to conferences and tech events, and the second that we're out in the break room, I'm talking about the younger drives and pyramids and massive statues and all this shit, Graham Hancock, and they're like, this is really interesting.

02:58:30.000 I'm like, oh no.

02:58:31.000 It's literally the most interesting thing about civilization.

02:58:35.000 That time period and the mysteries that are involved in trying to just decipher what happened.

02:58:42.000 Yeah.

02:58:42.000 It is the most fascinating time in history.

02:58:46.000 I think I'd agree.

02:58:47.000 I'd agree.

02:58:48.000 Yeah.

02:58:49.000 Again, thank you so much.

02:58:49.000 Phenomenal.

02:58:51.000 Thank you.

02:58:51.000 We'll definitely do this again.

02:58:53.000 I would love to.

02:58:54.000 Especially if some more information comes out about the Labyrinth, and hopefully more people you know are also picking up the baton and more people get involved.

02:59:02.000 I see that happening.

02:59:02.000 I'm very glad that that it is.

02:59:04.000 I I'm I'm absolutely I'm thrilled to see other people getting into the field.

02:59:07.000 I'm not a I don't see any of this as it's not competition.

02:59:09.000 It's like all the right.

02:59:11.000 It's a rising tide.

02:59:12.000 Yeah, come on, jump on board. 1.00

02:59:14.000 Yeah.

02:59:14.000 You could definitely say you found it.

02:59:15.000 You could well everybody will agree that you found it.

02:59:18.000 We didn't talk about the Sphinx and the stuff in the starshow, but save that for the next slide.

02:59:22.000 Let's do it again then.

02:59:23.000 Definitely do it again.

02:59:24.000 I would love to.

02:59:24.000 Thank you so much.

02:59:25.000 This was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 03, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk

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