In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about a mysterious, ancient structure in Egypt that is said to be greater than the pyramids. It's a massive, circular structure with multiple levels and a central atrium, but at the center of it is a 40 meter long object that has no obvious connection to the rest of the structure.
00:01:17.000But way bigger than than ones that I've done in the past.
00:01:20.000I talk about the labyrinth in the past, and it's uh it's a much longer video, and uh I was I was really glad to get the chance to dive into these details because I've been wanting to revisit the labyrinth for a long time.
00:01:31.000However, there's just been recently a bunch of new data that came up about things that happened a decade or two ago, or in yeah, in inside the last decade that really changed that picture, and that was it was things like the Merlin Burroughs scans that that correlated other scans and also reported on yeah, there seems to be a metallic object down there.
00:01:49.000And this isn't you know, this isn't sort of crazy emerging science.
00:01:53.000This is a uh a legitimate company that ha is using technology that's been well established in defense and in in the UK defense.
00:02:01.000It came out of the the UK military as a technology that's been more or less proven.
00:02:05.000So and the guy that that Tim Acres, Rest in Peace, unfortunately, he's since passed, but he uh you know what he said about this object, like he's he is a credible guy to to say this.
00:02:16.000He he doesn't draw conclusions about what it might be, but it's definitely it's not wood, it's not stone, it's metal, it's not unlike other metal that he's seen, although he they couldn't classify what exact type of metal it is, but he said, yeah, there is a in this central atrium because the labyrinth has multiple levels,
00:02:33.000and it's it's almost like you're imagine yourself standing in a shopping mall and and you have that central atrium where you can see all these levels, and it's like this big central chamber that connects to these multiple levels that's open, it's at least forty meters long, it's really tall, and in the center of it is what's more than forty because it contains this single sort of 40-piece, forty-meter long object that's sitting in there.
00:02:54.000So, how did you find out about the labyrinths?
00:02:57.000Like th this is something that has been talked about for a long time.
00:03:12.000So the labyrinth is kind of that this is the other part that draw that drew me to it, uh, is that it isn't something that's coming out of left field, right?
00:03:20.000It's it's not like this, oh no one ever heard of this before.
00:03:23.000It it's literally a structure that was written about extensively over hundreds of years in antiquity by authors like Herodotus, Deodorus Siculus, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Polonius Mello, like there's there's all of these these writers of antiquity, and you're talking about time for instance from like 500 BC up to the first century AD.
00:03:41.000Had visited it and they'd they'd written about it and talked about it, and they gave it this legend.
00:03:47.000Guys like Herodotus said that it surpasses the pyramids in grandeur, and then you have Yeah, so this is the this is from Herodotus' histories in the fifth century BC, and he says for this I saw myself and I found it greater than words can say.
00:04:00.000For if one should put together and reckon up all the buildings and all of the great works produced by the Hellenes, the Greeks, they would prove to be inferior in labor and expense to this labyrinth.
00:04:09.000So he's he's saying that all of the temples of the Greeks of ancient Greece, you've been there, you've seen the the Acropolis, and just if you added them all up, the labor to produce them would be inferior in what it would take to just make this one thing in Egypt, a labyrinth.
00:04:32.000It's it's been discuss it basically What happened was so you had they always we always kind of knew where it was.
00:04:38.000So, you know, you have the the classical authors of antiquity which coincides with what you might call the Ptolemaic period of ancient Egypt.
00:04:45.000It's a transition from like dynastic Egypt into it becoming essentially a a Roman province, like an imperial province of Rome.
00:04:54.000And that runs you up to about, you know, f four or five hundred AD.
00:04:57.000And then sort of, you know, civilization has we have the dark ages, sort of have Roman Empire collapses, and it's not until again you get to the Renaissance and you you have uh artists and other authors are looking at these historical accounts and they're talking about it, they're drawing it, some of the depictions you see from the labyrinth are in that.
00:05:13.000And then again, not until the emergence of what I would call modern archaeology in the eighteenth century.
00:05:18.000So guys like Carl Lepsius in the 1700s started to look at these accounts and go and and survey the place where they said it was.
00:05:27.000So it you know, Herodotus and these authors, I I selected the quotes here to just there's a lot more that they say about it.
00:05:32.000What then but one of the things they talk about is they kind of give descriptions of where it is.
00:05:36.000They say it's near what was called Lake Moiris, and um and it's near the what uh a a city that's was the the temple of the crocodiles crocodile Crocodilopolis or or ancient arseno is the other name for it.
00:05:49.000And Lake Moiris sort of somewhat still exists, it's much smaller now, but it's in this region called the Fayum of Egypt.
00:05:54.000So if you ever look at Egypt on a map, you can imagine it's desert, and you have from north to south you have this green line of the Nile, traces it down.
00:06:02.000But on the left side, you look at there's this leaf-shaped depression that's all green, it's called the Fium.
00:06:07.000It's a depression which used to flood with the Nile.
00:06:11.000And it's right at that neck of the Fayum where it connects up to the Nile Valley.
00:06:16.000And he also described it, they also described the pyramid that's at the site because there is a the pyramid to Aminabhap the Third on that site.
00:06:23.000So they give us all these descriptors, and everyone kind of agreed, yeah.
00:06:25.000So it's at this place called Hawara, where I've been to several times.
00:06:29.000There's still a pyramid there, and there's this great fields of sand and and and like open little open air libraries with chunks of stone.
00:06:36.000And what happened was so Carl Lepsius went there and he said, Well, I've discovered the ruins of like a Roman town that's built on the surface, there's nothing crazy about it.
00:06:44.000Flinders Petrie was the guy who kind of got the closest.
00:06:47.000Now Petrie went there in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
00:06:51.000And he was excavating, he dug down seven or eight meters.
00:06:56.000He got down and he found this massive stone slab of of beton or plaster that was huge, like a thousand feet long.
00:07:02.000Like it was as much he sort of traced the edges of it.
00:07:04.000And he's like, I'm standing on the foundation of the labyrinth.
00:07:08.000So what he said, he's like, it's all gone.
00:07:10.000Like it's basically Petrie said it's been quarried.
00:07:14.000This place has been a source of stone for literally millennia.
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00:09:28.000And look, and again, not my words, this is the words of Louis DeCordier, who was he's a Belgian artist and entrepreneur who who funded and drove the Matahar expedition.
00:09:36.000He did it in conjunction with the Supreme Council of Antiquities, which at the time was helmed by Zahi Huas.
00:09:43.000Also with the NRIAG, which is the uh National Research Institute for like basically subsurface studies, so that's those guys dragging that box around.
00:09:52.000So they used a whole bunch of different techniques to look at these areas around that pyramid at the site of Hawara, things like ground penetrating radar, geomagnetism, very low frequency, like seismic tomography, electrical resistivity tomography.
00:10:05.000There's uh there's a bunch of different techniques that are well established.
00:10:16.000So and what he found was is that yes, so what Lepsier said about the ruins of a Roman or Greek or Persian town with mud bricks and stuff, yep, that's there in the first few meters.
00:10:27.000You go down, then you hit the water table.
00:10:29.000So that there's the other issue on this site is the water table.
00:10:32.000So the water's at like five meters below the surface.
00:10:35.000And under that is the slab that Petrie found.
00:10:38.000So like six, seven meters is is that that that huge slab that that Petrie found that he thought was the foundation.
00:10:44.000And then below that, Petrie didn't dig deep enough.
00:10:47.000Below that we can find essentially a labyrinthian structure of granite and very dense rocks uh and walls and and um like a maze-like structure that's that has walls that are meters thick.
00:11:00.000There's another great slide in there that's that's the green and it's the actual VLF right-that's it there.
00:11:05.000So Yeah, so this is at eight meters with VLF sounding, so you can see like this labyrinthian structure of these walls and all of these lines and walls.
00:11:13.000So these are like granite and the scale of this, it's a hundred meters vertically by a hundred and fifty meters.
00:12:13.000I mean, you have to go back to the we we have some better indication with the more modern space-based scans now, but when they did those the geophysical, like the the ground penetrating radar scans.
00:12:25.000That was the bigger one, like in front of the pyramid, then they did another one on the other side of the canal that runs through the site today, and they found they found it on both sides.
00:12:34.000So that's the difference between like what we say about the lab, like what the textbooks will tell you about the labyrinth, it not being there and it it being destroyed to No.
00:12:43.000We've actually now there's been the Madahar expedition confirmed it was there.
00:12:48.000And they so what happened w this was interesting, and I I have I have I think reasoning for why this happened, it but it was covered up, and these are the words like Louis deCordier.
00:12:59.000He eventually got sick of waiting, because what happens in Egypt, anything you do, whether it's you're you're an academic institution or you're an individual or a group that's funding some sort of expedition.
00:13:10.000You work with the Council of Antiquities today, it's the um Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities.
00:13:15.000But they essentially, you know, you gotta it takes years to get ex access.
00:13:19.000And then once you do though, they control release of information.
00:13:22.000So that's always part of the deal, right?
00:13:23.000It's the Egypt gets to do the announcing and if and when they choose.
00:13:27.000And they have dismissed things in the past that they've then accepted later.
00:13:31.000Aaron Powell Yeah, a great example is the honestly the the Scan Pyramids project.
00:13:36.000So when so they got ahead of themselves a little bit, this is the the muon detection, the cosmic ray detection stuff.
00:13:42.000They've been running that experiment for years at the at Giza in the Great Pyramid.
00:13:46.000They put the and every time I go in there, there's always different sets of equipment at different places on it.
00:13:50.000But these muon detectors, they they have them under the ground and in the Grand Gallery, and it just takes years to collect data.
00:13:55.000Occasionally these cosmic particles, they'll pick one up and it's you're able to detect voids or you know they have a they can somehow tell the difference between it it travelling through solid matter versus a void.
00:14:06.000Takes years to build up a a resolute picture.
00:14:10.000But once they did, they said, Oh, okay, so we've discovered that big void in the pyramid, but they'd also discovered the small void at the at the main entrance, if you if you look up at it today, there's those chevron blocks.
00:14:20.000Like above you you go in down here at the Alma Moon's tunnel, but at the top where the descending passage actually exits the pyramid, the original entrance, there's this big chevron blocks, and behind that's that chamber.
00:14:31.000So you remember a few years ago they made a big fuss.
00:14:33.000But as an example, like when the when the scan pyramids guys on their own initiative announced that we've made these discoveries.
00:14:40.000I mean, they Zahi basically came out and said this is bullshit, this doesn't exist, there's nothing there, and if there is something there, we knew about it already, you know.
00:14:50.000And and you go on a couple years, and when now it's time to do the press releases and to roll out um you know the footage, and he's who's standing at the at the podium making the announcement and showing the face.
00:15:07.000I I did a video, I just released it a few days ago that got into some even more intrigue about stuff that's happened at Giza in the in the in the at the Giza Plateau in the nineteen nineties, which we can we can get into that too.
00:15:18.000But so yeah, what happened with the Madahar expedition and the labyrinth was that 2008 and nine, they finished their um their on-site work, they're ready to release the data.
00:15:28.000They they put on a very small public lecture at Ghent University in Belgium, no one really attended it.
00:15:33.000And then they got told to stop, and again, in the words of Louis de Cordier, because he waited like two or three years and then he put this out there.
00:15:39.000He said that he was told to cease any and all discussion or release of information from the Madahar project, and him and his team members were threatened with national security sanctions.
00:15:50.000Which means that, you know, I I think at the low level, like if you come to Egypt we'll arrest you, and if not, when maybe we'll come and get you.
00:15:56.000It's this is national security sanctions.
00:16:26.000There's new data, that's an amazing, amazing find that that could change the world.
00:16:29.000In my opinion, honestly, the labyrinth is the biggest archaeological discovery of the millennium.
00:16:34.000When we get into what that structure is and how big it is and the way it's reported in antiquity, there's nothing bigger than they Herodotus says it surpasses the pyramids.
00:16:41.000Like it's like finding more gee like a Giza plateau somewhere.
00:16:51.000Because I think unfortunately in Egypt, and this is just my um intuition and my sort of read of the situation, what's happened is that the reality is is the groundwater level is rising, right?
00:17:02.000So it's it's kind of attacking that part of the site, at least the the higher levels of the labyrinth for sure are suffering in this salty groundwater, right?
00:17:10.000It is going to slowly erode because that groundwater's come way up.
00:17:12.000We know it's come way up because Flinders Petrie, back in the you know, late 18th, early 19th century actually got in to under the pyramid.
00:17:20.000And you can't today if you go to that pyramid, you there is a a passage you can go down, you go down a few steps and just throw a pebble, it's just water and and debris and mud and so this water table it has risen slowly over No, since the 1960s, since they built the dam.
00:17:58.000There's a huge irrigation canal called the Bawabi Canal that's been cut in there in like the 1840s, same guy built the Suez Canal, made it um cuts it in there.
00:18:07.000So you've got this situation of like, alright, we've got all this agriculture happening, we've got farmers' water rights messing with this, and it's and it's happens to be running through this ancient site that could be the biggest discovery of our time.
00:18:21.000And it's happening because we built a dam on the Nile.
00:18:24.000And and what happened with the the high dam in the 60s, like there's a low dam the British built in like 1901, 1902, then they actually partnered with the Soviet Union to build this high dam.
00:18:34.000That's actually still a monument to Egyptian Soviet Union friendship at the dam is pretty cool.
00:18:39.000Um but when they built that high dam, it essentially stops that yearly cycle of inundation of the Nile.
00:18:45.000So everyone, you know, we always talk about the Nile flooding, right?
00:18:48.000Every year that it rains in Africa in the south, you get this huge flood that comes up the Nile and it it it floods out and you get this deposit of of of of you know black mud and real fertile ground and they would use that to farm.
00:19:01.000They built the dam, it r you get rid of that yearly cycle, right?
00:19:06.000And what happens, people it seems counterintuitive because people are like, well, it's less water in the Nile.
00:19:11.000Well no, what you what the dam did was eliminate the nine-month dry season.
00:19:15.000So you had the three-month wet season, but then you've you don't have that uh nine-month dry season now, so you have essentially more water for more time in the Nile, which is which is having this effect of rising the water table.
00:19:27.000So you combine that with the size of Hawara and that the project, the scope of the project to try and remediate and save or excavate, start working at the labyrinth.
00:19:38.000I mean, you're talking like millions and millions.
00:19:40.000It's would it's not an easy problem to solve on an area that size to try and get the water out, divert the farmer's water, deal with all of those problems, you know, and then so what I think the option Zahi might have been left with here is like, well, it's either going to cost us an absolute bomb to to try and do this for like we don't know what sort of gain, it would probably be a decade before that place is suitable for tourism, it's there's not much to see there even now.
00:20:05.000Or we basically say we've discovered it, but we're not gonna do anything about it because it's too expensive, and you're gonna face a lot of international criticism for that.
00:20:11.000So I think that the the decision was likely made, in my opinion, complete speculation that it's just easy to brush this under the table.
00:20:18.000This never happened, we never discovered this.
00:20:20.000This doesn't exist, let's just go on selling tickets on the Giza Plateau and pumping water out to the FIM for agriculture.
00:20:55.000You know, like what direction and what they were doing they were doing geological test pits and all these boreholes to figure out the water situation.
00:21:02.000Um according to them, that information was also covered up because they also did ground penetrating radar surveys, also confirmed the labyrinth.
00:21:10.000The guy who was in charge of that in Cairo University was actually put in jail by they again, this is on their report when the information finally came out in 2017.
00:21:19.000He lost his job, obviously as part of it.
00:21:29.000It's it's on their report though, that's what they say is that he was jailed because the he Zai allegedly halted the project and then put the guy in jail.
00:21:40.000This is what they say on their on on the report from that uh expedition, that that that work which came out like uh a decade after they'd done it.
00:21:50.000And I dig it up on the internet, I'm like, well, this is interesting because their results are interesting, but they even after their work, their conclusion was, well, the water's a very complicated problem.
00:21:58.000It's coming from a couple different directions.
00:22:00.000Northeast is the shallowest, like it's coming in from this way, but it's also coming from another direction.
00:22:05.000They'd have to dig a lot more test holes uh in a wider area to really figure it out.
00:22:10.000And I think you'd have to start digging like remediation wells, put in pumps and just try and pump that down, if not canal and and trench that whole thing out, like a massive site, and then you can start to worry about all right, we're gonna get some dirt out and start to excavate.
00:22:23.000Could it be done without interrupting the farmers?
00:22:43.000Well, the crazy thing is too, is is that according to the because the story doesn't end there.
00:22:47.000Like when you get into the modern space-based scans, Merlin Burroughs and the geoscan stuff, and I know that also I've met the the guys from the Kaffrey project, they are gonna scan that site.
00:22:57.000I've we talked to them about it uh recently at the Cosmic Summit, and then uh I I think you know the lower what they're saying so far is that the lower levels, like because this thing goes down, like I said, to nearly a hundred meters.
00:23:10.000There's there's reported like levels down to three hundred feet under the ground, and and and it seems like they might be free of water.
00:23:16.000So it's just it's just like shallow groundwater, and once you get into the bedrock and it's and it's like it's like a s not a porous stone or whatever's underneath just the top-level sediment, it it seems like it can it you know, Tim Aker said it looks like it's free of water, so the very bottom layers uh seem to be free of it.
00:23:34.000So the the actual labyrinth, very bottom layers.
00:23:37.000Aaron Ross Powell, Well the Labyrinth is multiple levels at least.
00:23:40.000So it'd be like But is it possible that they could somehow or another from the side dig a tunnel below everything?
00:23:47.000Yeah, you'd have to dig a deep tunnel.
00:23:49.000You could I mean that's also an option is to try and if you if you actually believe and you go with these scans, you know where that atrium is, we could probably try and get down there and just line a tunnel somehow get down that would be epic if we did that in our lifetime.
00:24:06.000I agree, which is the reason I made that video in the first place.
00:24:10.000Um I wanted to draw attention to the labyrinth, because it's just it I think it is like the the biggest opportunity for us.
00:24:16.000I if in terms of massive discoveries in the ancient world, I can't think of anything that's bigger than the I know the Cafre scan stuff is super interesting and the claims are wild, and it's but this is like known about, like this has been talked about.
00:24:29.000And then it's been confirmed with multiple scans.
00:24:31.000You had you had Matahar Expedition, you had Cairo University, and I think it was uh walk rock law, I'm butchering that, the Polish um university, or then you had geoscan team, which was Klaus Doner, a friend of his who runs this German geoscan um space-based satellite thing.
00:24:50.000It's like a mathematical statistical approach.
00:24:52.000They kind of use it to determine the elemental composition of stars is the best explanation I have.
00:24:57.000However, they have a track record of being able to find things like water and oil and gold under the ground.
00:25:04.000So they've been using that as a company for like people to go basically survey and then go dig and they've done three or four of these and they're okay.
00:25:12.000They were the first space-based scan to come out and talk about it.
00:25:16.000Then you had Merlin Burroughs, which is this ex-UK military technology that's very similar in technique to the Cuffrey scan guys.
00:25:24.000Like so they use synthetic aperture radar or Doppler tomography.
00:25:27.000These guys are using like high frequency orbital imaging with seismic data.
00:25:32.000So it's it's very similar in the way they're in that you're essentially the description I I was told is it's like imagine dropping pebbles into a container of water.
00:25:42.000And if you could instantly freeze that container and lift it out and shine a light from underneath it, when you look at it on the top, you can in you can see those ripples in three dimensions, but you're looking at it on a 2D scan kind of thing, and you can interpret them to show you the topography of whatever's in that three-dimensional space.
00:26:31.000But I'm not, but I don't I mean, I'm I was skeptical initially when it came out.
00:26:34.000I've talked I've since I've since certainly come around on the technol on the promise of the technology.
00:26:39.000I my my skepticism probably still exists in in the the layer between the scans as I've seen them and then the interpretations of the results.
00:27:07.000And I want to get into like the Osiris shaft because that's another thing that I just recently put a video out about these other scans that have happened in the nineties confirm that th have since kind of been confirmed by the Kuffray scan team work.
00:27:27.000So you have you have the geoscan, which is a statistical mathematical approach, space-based still, but then you have and the Merlin Burroughs, which is a similar tick technique to the Kuffrey scan group.
00:27:38.000And it was used, I mean, just so this is what Tim Akers would tell you, it was used to detect submarines.
00:27:43.000They would look at like surface patterns on the water and they were using it to basically track submarines under the water.
00:27:48.000So it's it's that's its origins, at least in the military, as far as I know.
00:27:52.000It's like the non-classified part of it is what he said.
00:27:54.000Uh at least reported to have said, I should say.
00:27:56.000Are there ancient artistic depictions?
00:27:59.000I mean, not ancient, but certainly Renaissance periods.
00:28:33.000But Deodorus Siculus did, like th these guys talk about Siculus said that you needed a guide you would get lost down there for days if you didn't have a guide who knew his way around.
00:28:41.000And then you have same you have the same similar accounts from Pliny the Elder and and again these these once you s I think once you get um accounts coming from multiple people over the span of centuries that are from different civilizations, both Roman and Greek, and they're they're correlating.
00:28:55.000It's like this is re pretty reliable data at this point.
00:28:58.000In it's certainly in history or in archaeology, you that's what that's your measure for like alright, there's a grain of truth in this given that we've got the same thing coming from these different accounts that are essentially different civilizations that visited the same place.
00:29:12.000It's but all of them talk about there being hundred if hundreds, if not thousands of rooms and twisting chambers and then also giant open courts with my that might have forty columns to a side.
00:29:24.000Um all of it being done with just spectacular craftsmanship.
00:29:29.000Yeah, this is d so Deodorosiculus, first century BC.
00:29:33.000Uh talking about that, you know, the in respect of carving and other works of craftsmanship, they left no room for their successes to surpass them.
00:29:40.000He's saying that there is this is phenomenal work.
00:29:43.000And in this sacred enclosure, one found a temple surrounded by columns forty to each side, and this roof had a this building had a roof made of a single stone, carved with panels and richly adorned with excellent paintings.
00:30:29.000Perstyle courts which lie contiguous with one another.
00:30:33.000Before the entrances there lie what might be called hidden chambers, which are long and many in number and have paths running through one another which twist and turn so that no one can enter or leave any court without a guide.
00:30:47.000So he you had Siculus's account of one of those courts being eighty columns, like forty-two aside, and there was twelve of them, at least twelve of them in there.
00:31:00.000So you have you know, three thousand rooms, twelve gigantic courts.
00:31:04.000Diodorus talks about the the roof being made of a single stone.
00:31:08.000I very much doubt that, but what I think he's describing is the craftsmanship that you see in those real megalithic buildings in Egypt where you can't see the joints.
00:31:16.000And here uh Pliny the Elder, who lived uh between twenty-three and seventy-nine CE, which is current time.
00:31:23.000So he's saying three thousand six hundred years ago this was constructed according to tradition.
00:31:28.000Aaron Powell isn't that interesting, yeah.
00:32:10.000So it's I believe it's it's like a wide range, but it's it's it's like several hundred years, like two hundred years prior to what they would say is that the time of Khufu of Chiops, the the ruler in the Fourth Dynasty.
00:32:34.000I think this the the margin of error they did multiple samples.
00:32:37.000I believe it's it's less than that, so that they're pretty firm that the date is earlier.
00:32:42.000So it gets this is um it's kind of a critical I mean, I think there's a bunch of people that have talked about the fact that the Acheola, the Egyptologists don't really reference that date because it kind of messes up their timeline a little bit.
00:32:55.000So the explanation tends to be, well, it was old wood.
00:32:58.000It's like the ash that gets mixed into the mortar as the source for the carbon, and they say, well, maybe they just burnt really old trees.
00:33:29.000I I think what you can say from the carbon dating firmly is that the that it it shows that these pyramids were being worked on.
00:33:37.000If you can't, I don't think you can make the jump to say this is when they were built.
00:33:41.000You have to you have to infer and say that I think this is when they were they were certainly being worked on in that period.
00:33:47.000So it I think it's possible that dynastic Egyptians could have finished the pyramids.
00:33:51.000They may not have been entirely pyramids originally.
00:33:54.000I think there's I think there's a strong chance that there were multiple phases of construction over a long time to to for them to end up being what they are in our time.
00:34:04.000Uh I think those are all possibilities here because it just the this is the whole when you you take a step back and look at the whole picture of ancient Egypt.
00:34:13.000I mean, just you you cannot attribute everything that we see in ancient Egypt to our current understanding of those dynastic Egyptians, their capabilities, their tools, their writings, and what we know about them.
00:34:30.000We have depictions shown on walls of how they did things.
00:34:33.000They were very good about documenting them.
00:34:35.000So we we have the tools, we have the depictions.
00:34:37.000We also have lots and lots of artifacts that match those tools and depictions, right?
00:34:42.000We've got these what are clearly handmade artifacts, and this is across all the categories of artifacts from things like stonework columns, obliques, ob obelisks, um sorry, yeah, obeliscs and vases, boxes, pyramids even.
00:34:57.000And then you have this other category of artifacts that is doesn't match and can't be explained by these tools and techniques.
00:35:05.000And there's there's just no there's no depictions on walls of how they made the precision artifacts.
00:35:09.000There's no give me an example of these pref precision artifacts.
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00:37:27.000There there are two categories across all of these artifacts.
00:37:30.000And the advanced category, again, it so you can't really make them with the tools that the ancient Egyptians were just were we know they were using that we found.
00:38:30.000We found the tools, the Egyptians drew the scenes, the artifacts match the tools and techniques, and then you have this advanced industry, visibly sophisticated, usually very hard stone is the other characteristic.
00:38:40.000The primitive stuff is usually softer stone, although not always.
00:38:43.000These artifacts, as we're doing analysis on them, are showing this depth of precision and complexity that's phenomenal.
00:38:51.000The vases are just, this is where they become a smoking gun to this whole argument, I think.
00:38:55.000Can you for people that don't know about this stuff?
00:38:57.000Can you just give them some numbers on what the vases go back to pre-dynastic times?
00:39:03.000It's uh it's it's there's no debate that these are pretty dynastic.
00:39:06.000They predate what we would call the dynastic civilization.
00:39:09.000And over the last few years, they've we've been starting to analyze them.
00:39:13.000We, the vase scan team, various groups of people now have been scanning these with modern technology, LIDAR scanning, um, like laser scanning, even CT X-ray scanning.
00:39:23.000And basically they're coming back with precision in terms of circularity, flatness, like centering.
00:39:30.000Um, numbers that are very much equate to some of the best industrial processes that we do today in things like aerospace industry.
00:39:38.000So where it's really important to be within two or three or four thousandths of an inch of perfection for like the parts we make for jet engines or rocket engines.
00:39:48.000Those are the numbers that we're seeing come back on a lot of these vessels.
00:39:56.000And this is again, this is these are levels of precision that are not visible to the naked eye.
00:40:02.000I mean, you're talking human hair like a sheet of printer papers like six or seven thousandths of an inch thick, a human hair's two to three or four thousandths thick, and you're seeing sometimes tolerances even lower than that.
00:40:13.000So you you it's not something you can feel or see or touch, but we see it again and again.
00:40:17.000And the only way we can achieve those sort of tolerances today is with very advanced machines.
00:40:22.000Uh, you know, 3D five-axis mills, um, you know, really high precision lathes, cat like computer controlled equipment.
00:40:30.000The problem with the lathe though is the handles on this, right?
00:40:32.000So yeah, if you get into it, so this is this is the issue with this, and and one of the craziest things about and this is the OG vase, the original granite vase.
00:40:44.000And yeah, you could you can imagine without the handles you could lathe it if you're spinning it.
00:40:48.000But if you if you had the handles, if you wanted these handles, you would have to leave a bull nose that runs all the way around it and then come back with a different process, a different tool to remove that space that this this basically the space between the handles off the body.
00:41:02.000And you don't see a lack of symmetry in those spaces.
00:41:26.000When we did, I went back and we we did the we did analysis of this area of the vase body in between the handles, and there's no drop in precision relative to the rest of the vessel.
00:41:38.000One option is okay, they could they could handle that positional that lack of that loss of positional calibration better than we can.
00:41:46.000Or it wasn't done on a lathe and it was done in what you would call a single pass with a single tool.
00:41:52.000And the only way you can do that is on a f is is with a tool with five axes of freedom.
00:41:57.000So now you're talking about a five-axis C and C mill, like one of those computer-controlled things that can just cut it out in basically one pass but without changing tools and process.
00:43:38.000So some of that stuff is less hard than other bits.
00:43:41.000And it's the way granite takes millions of years in heat and pressure to bond those things together atomically, and that's the stone we get when it pops up out on the bedrock and we we mine it.
00:43:50.000But it's it just means that when you're machining a material like granite, it you know, your tool tip is going from stuff that's really hard to softer to hard, and it's like you have to account for that, yet we see this you feel the surface of it.
00:44:02.000It's phenomenally well polished and finished.
00:44:04.000I mean, if you were doing this today with a lot of modern tool tips, you'd be ripping chunks of quartz out rather than cutting them.
00:44:10.000So something that the actual tool tip that made these things we know is also very refined because this is a very difficult substance to choose to work in.
00:44:18.000No stone sculptor chooses to work in granite unless that's what the project calls for.
00:44:23.000There's a reason they use marble, is that it's it's both much softer and it's homogeneous, like it's the same material, it doesn't vary in hardness wildly.
00:44:31.000So making these sort of precision things and and objects out of stuff like granite and getting it down to two millimeters thick, like that other piece near the lip.
00:45:28.000I mean, they they're literally found in predynastic burials.
00:45:31.000This is the real this is why the vases are so important to me.
00:45:35.000It it's and why I think they're the smoking gun.
00:45:37.000It's one of the big reasons is that they they're uncontrovertibly or incontrovertibly pre-dynastic because they've been found in burials that are a hundred percent pre-dynastic.
00:45:56.000Like they're found in these burials and they carbon date the burials or they culture date them, the reference datum to periods of thousands of years prior to the dynastic Egyptian civilization.
00:46:05.000There's there's good evidence that they may even stretch back as far as twelve to fourteen thousand BC that they're in burials that go back that far in like the like southern Egypt, northern Sudan area.
00:46:46.000And then maybe someone down the road writes his name on it, like Ramses II or somebody put carves his name into it, and then we come along thousands of years later and say, Oh, Ramses II's name's on that.
00:46:59.000I mean that's essentially like the one of the core principles of Egyptology.
00:47:02.000They they do use the writing primarily as a source, not the only source, but they do.
00:47:08.000And the vases what's the problem with even dating them to those pre-dynastic settlements is that there is nothing about those cultures that indicates they had this capability.
00:47:18.000Nikada culture and even the ones like Toshka, these older ones, pretty similar in that you're talking like the burials are often like shallow fetal position graves.
00:47:28.000You find these precision hard stone objects with fishbone combs, sticks and stones, very primitive hand thrown pottery, not even thrown, just hand formed pottery.
00:47:42.000Um I've seen antiques dealers that that it that are selling these vases because there is a huge there's a lot of these in the in the private market and in uh in private possession because of their size and their availability and this how many there were, because there's hundred like are they illegal to possess?
00:50:03.000Yeah, I mean some of those are mountains and mountain ranges, but I can tell you in the desert, not so much.
00:50:09.000That just looks like channels of like it just looks like an insane amount of water literally washed over the area and smoothed it out.
00:50:16.000Yeah, I mean there's huge there's a massive amount of evidence for massive uh for giant floods through the Nile Valley as well, not not just across the Sahara, but I mean Petrie was talking about he was up on cliffs, you know, and finding water lines and and and flint points and stuff that were indicative of massive floods.
00:50:32.000This is Hawara, yeah, this is the labyrinth.
00:50:55.000I just you know, I did a it's I did this long video on the erosional features of the Giza Plateau.
00:51:02.000Because last year, 2024, they released a paper that um they I think some geologists um I can't remember the names unfortunately, but they talked about the fact that there was all of the all of the valley temples.
00:51:16.000So these pyramid, you know, on all these pyramids that are on like what you would call the I mean lower Egypt, so Giza, Abu Rosh, Abusir, Sakara, uh my doom.
00:51:26.000They all the pyramids aren't just a pyramid, it's a pyramid complex.
00:51:29.000So it's like you have a pyramid, you've got a structure in front of it, you've got this causeway that runs down to what then they would call a valley temple, a structure that's the end of the causeway.
00:51:37.000So that's the the the well-known valley temple that's next to the Sphinx is the valley temple for the middle pyramid.
00:51:46.000Now they figured out that during the African humid period, which ended thousands of years before dynastic Egypt ever started, there was a branch of the river Nile called the Aramat branch that ran exactly where all of these valley temples are.
00:52:02.000So it's it's like they were it's almost I mean, I just look at it and go, this was built, these were built for that water source because I think it's super I'm very skeptical about the idea of these all of these valley temples, particularly the one that Giza Plateau being used as harbors for like a couple months a year to transport all these blocks from the quarry in Aswan.
00:52:21.000Again, six hundred miles away, right, for all the granite.
00:52:24.000And there's thousand tens of thousands of tons, hundreds of thousands of tons of granite on that plateau that had to be transported.
00:52:29.000I don't think there's the depth there.
00:52:31.000I've seen pictures and photographs in early times, pre-dam when the Nile flooded, there's ha there's not that much water there.
00:52:37.000However, during the African humid period, which ended at the latest 6,000 BC, but stretches back thousands and thousands of years before that.
00:53:03.000There was just rainfall and there was enough water in that Nile Valley to support this Aramat branch of the Nile, which is was said to be like a mile or two miles wide in some places.
00:53:12.000So really not like an insignificant waterway.
00:53:15.000But it was high and it was it was running and and they've traced the path of this Aramat branch, and it turns out all of these valley temples from these pyramid complexes are on its banks.
00:53:23.000And it wouldn't it's not like it's flooding, it's like there all the time.
00:53:26.000And and this end this period ends and the you get the desertification of the Sahara starting around six sixty five hundred, six thousand uh BC.
00:53:37.000And so you know, it's not like until you know if you get five thousand, then four thousand, forty five hundred B. C. Three thousand BC, that's when you sort of that's thirty-one hundred BC is kind of when we say the Egyptian civilization started.
00:53:48.000So it doesn't make sense to me that if if they built these valley temples and these and these all these structures in like twenty-eight hundred BC.
00:53:56.000I mean, what do you would you would build it where the river is.
00:53:59.000Like the river was way down there at that point.
00:54:02.000And so I think what is the response to this?
00:54:04.000Well, I I just put it in my I mean it's Does anybody try to debunk it?
00:54:08.000Aaron Ross Powell No, it's a it's a peer-reviewed scientific study.
00:54:11.000This is what happens in these with a lot of these um these papers, and you you'll see this in it it happens in genetics and the DNA studies that have been done too.
00:54:19.000You don't these other scientists will not really step on the toes of the archaeologists or the historians, right?
00:54:26.000They'll they'll present the data but stop from inferring what it could mean for the picture of history.
00:54:42.000It's yeah, it's left to like rogue scholars and idiots like me on YouTube or people that write books to really try and put the pieces together.
00:54:51.000I mean, thank God there's a place where a video like yours can get millions of views where so many people all around the world can watch that and go.
00:56:26.000This is human ego on display for the world.
00:56:29.000You want to be the gatekeepers of this information.
00:56:31.000You want to be the one person or the person that represents this group of human beings that are the scholars that have published work, that have taught at universities, and you're the only ones.
00:56:41.000You're the only ones that know the the ancient history of Earth, despite the fact that there's people like yourself and Graham Hancock and all who've spent a lot of time and they're very careful about what they say, and spent a lot of time investigating this.
00:56:56.000And they just want to dismiss those people because they don't have the proper credentials or what are you talking about?
00:57:08.000I think it and it is as a result of the fact that the conversation is getting out of their hands, right?
00:57:14.000If you one of the things I admire so much about the the f the people who started this what we would call archaeological or Egyptological space, guys like Flinders Petrie, you know, they're very open about what they didn't know.
00:57:28.000Like one of my like Petrie would tell he talks about the machining marks and you can read between the lines at the wonder at what he's finding, and he's like, I don't get it.
00:57:38.000And this is I think because the conversations happening in those halls of, you know, the academic halls or the geographical club or whatever these pieces get out to the whole thing.
00:57:46.000And then so that slowly changes with the rise of initially like alternative authors, you know, you you you which best represented by Graham Hancock, a good friend of mine as well.
00:57:56.000And he uh you know, his books and they start to gain in popularity, and now these I guess the people in the in the academic halls of residence that are typically considered the authority are seeing this conversation get out of hand and now you get to YouTube where you know it's it to some extent I think it is possible to do an end run and end run around what they're saying,
00:58:14.000and I do watch people and there are guys like Flint that are trying to embrace that the new media space and try and get on podcasts and you know, if you read the SAA journals and articles, the Society of American Archaeology, they're literally writing to themselves saying, how can we become more popular in this space and how do we start podcasts and get into it?
00:58:32.000The problem is they're still doing it the same way.
00:58:34.000They are and it's like when CNN journalists get fired from CNN and start a podcast and everybody like No.
00:59:21.000Look, that's the people that were living there.
00:59:23.000If if humans made it, you know, if you're not in the alien camp, which is a bizarre camp.
00:59:27.000But if you're not in the I'm in the ancient civilization, incredibly advanced, cataclysmic disaster, wipes them out.
00:59:35.000Civilization takes a long time to rebuild, finds the remnants of these ancient civilizations, and then sort of claims them over generations.
00:59:43.000After a thousand years, nobody really knows who fucking built it.
00:59:46.000And then this is this is where I think we find ourselves.
01:00:19.000It's actually I it's a quote that I I steal from my friend Christopher Dunn quite happily, which is you know, you wouldn't trust an archaeologist to design the chair is sitting on, but if it's an ancient chair, he's gonna claim he's the expert on it.
01:00:32.000I I had Joseph Wilson on a podcast talk about he I had this great quote from him, he said, Oh, you know, if just because some engineer's standing there sh you know, shining a laser on a vase, don't let that don't let don't mistake that for him knowing more about the guy who can read hieroglyphs because he can read what they wrote about it and he's the authority on it kind of thing.
01:00:50.000It's just like you're just dismissing all of these other disciplines that are that I think are required for a true and complete picture of trying to assemble this evidence, right?
01:00:59.000Like as you say, there's there's very little evident evidence that shows us definitively what happened in the dim dark distant past, but it's you've got to try and make the case for it as best you can, and I think we should try and encompass all of the evidence.
01:01:12.000And one of the disciplines that's missing from that approach is the engineering stuff, it's the precision stuff, it just gets dismissed out of hand.
01:01:18.000And yeah, we just because we're not the authority figures on that on that topic, it it just yeah, they ignore it, which is what happens.
01:01:26.000I don't know how you can ignore the vases, how you can ignore the statues, the symmetry and the construction of the faces.
01:01:33.000It's it's starting to become a problem.
01:01:36.000And and and even in the past, when when I would guess the mainstream approaches to try and solve, say, some of the machining uh examples, the tubular drills or the saw cuts, I mean, just when you when you dig down into them and the the answers that you get and the explanations that are offered are just they don't hold any water.
01:01:54.000It's uh they're kind of they're frankly ridiculous.
01:01:56.000Like, well, the issue with the the drill bits is the revolutions per minute, right?
01:02:07.000How yes, so how quickly it penetrates into stone.
01:02:10.000And it it I suspect that it's uh that it was it could have been turning quite slowly, but it's like a one in sixty penetration rate is the rate of the spiral groove on the cores that have been analyzed, particularly Petrie's Court number seven.
01:02:22.000One in sixty meaning one and so for like if you unwind that circular motion to a straight line, sixty inches horizontal travel, one inch vertical drop.
01:02:32.000Which is five hundred times greater than how we do it today with modern diamond tipped source wholesals.
01:02:39.000Which do turn So our modern ones bear in mind they you know, 900 RPM, they'll they'll cut through grant slowly, but it cuts.
01:03:02.000And this is the This is the other element that I think the vases uh are showing is is that you have a technological link between the vases and these other precision artifacts, the bigger ones that couldn't be buried in these civilizations that to me suggest that they were made with the same technology.
01:03:20.000Um You see the same machining marks, the same tubular drill marks.
01:03:23.000So on that quartz piece, if you look on the bottom, you can see the on the inside of it, there's no other side.
01:03:30.000So this is like that's the tubular drill.
01:03:32.000So this is that's a a core function of how these vases were made.
01:03:36.000You would often find So this is the bottom.
01:03:39.000So they've they've corded that thing out and then they've snapped it off and polished it down, but they didn't eliminate the full tool mark.
01:03:44.000And you'll see that in a lot of vases.
01:03:46.000So we know that these tubular drills were used with the vases as well.
01:03:52.000But you have no idea the power source, no idea what the material was that cut.
01:03:59.000So yeah, the vases have big it's become interesting.
01:04:01.000Uh one of the let me talk about the provenance part first, because that's been the one crit like the the pushback on the vases, this is where it's become a problem is is nobody's really been able to push back on the data.
01:04:14.000Like the uh the the scientific and the measurement data that's come out, the precision fact, the geometry, there's a whole bunch in the geometry space that that indicates that they are um like designed, they're not just made, they were designed with mathematical and geometrical uh geometric principles in mind.
01:04:32.000Um they show pi, they show fire, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, all this sort of stuff is in them.
01:04:39.000The major uh pushback on the vessels and the the early days of the vase scan project was that oh, these are modern fakes or something, like they're not they're not the real deal because they're not coming from museums, they've been they're modern forgeries, you how can you say they're real.
01:04:52.000So what's happened in the years since and when I first came on here and talked a little bit about that, that was very much the early days of this project, about two and a half years ago now.
01:05:00.000Now the the vase scan, and particularly the Artifact Foundation, Adam Young, uh who started this whole thing who owns he actually this is his a copy of his vase.
01:05:10.000Uh they've been in now four museums around the world.
01:05:12.000We've scanned pfft close to a hundred vessels from inside of museums with impeccable provenance.
01:05:18.000Um those results are starting to come out, they're matching the results that we found so far.
01:05:22.000So the provenance thing is kind of it's that's going away.
01:05:26.000The people that I think chose to fight on the Hill of Providence have have died on it now.
01:05:30.000It's they're hundred they are legitimate.
01:05:32.000And to be fair, you can also find uh vi vessels in private collection with impeccable provenance, just as you can find a lot of vessels in museums that we have no idea where they came from.
01:05:42.000Um it it's a it's a much it's not as clear as just, well, if it's in a museum, it's we can trust it, and if it's not we can't, it's not like that.
01:05:49.000But um what else has happened is that there's other as so the the project came out and it gained a lot of interest from really talented people around the world.
01:06:01.000One of the guys that I've been working with a fair bit lately over the last couple of years, a guy named Doc Dr. Max Zamilov, who's a physicist.
01:06:15.000And I first he reached out to me and actually we took these fragments to his house and I rolled up to his house in Florida and sitting in his living room with two like elect scanning electron microscopes, you know, as you do who who doesn't have two SEMs in their living room.
01:06:29.000Uh so we we started to do things like look at these pieces through a scanning electron microscope to try and find evidence for the materials that we use to cut them.
01:06:38.000So you should if these were used with a tool, so that the orthodox explanation being, well, it's a copper tube and it's sand or it's some sort of cutting medium and it's it's it's spun and ground out.
01:06:48.000You should find traces of copper or whatever that material was in there.
01:06:51.000We looked at we spent days looking at several pieces, zero, zero copper, like not didn't find any copper.
01:06:59.000The nice scanning electron microscope, not only do you get the magnification, but you can focus a beam of electrons onto a particular spot and that backscatter of electrons you can then map out the elemental composition of the material.
01:07:32.000You can carve stone with harder types of stone.
01:07:34.000So there was definitely flint and things being used.
01:07:37.000But there's no evidence, like not up until like the very later periods of the Egyptian civilization, is there any significant evidence for iron and things like that.
01:07:45.000Like it it's pretty much copper and bronze alloys, tin, you know, copper and tin is bronze.
01:07:50.000Um when they analyze the the traces, there's no copper.
01:07:55.000We didn't find any copper, but we did find some other stuff, which is very interesting.
01:07:58.000Well, the most interesting thing we did find was titanium.
01:08:40.000And in fact, I did a I have it I have a video on this and it's we found a piece actually, like a small, maybe twenty, thirty micron wide piece embedded in one of those grooves uh in a tool tip that looked like an embedded piece, it shines up very brightly.
01:08:55.000When you see metals and on this in the SEM, it's like a bright spot and you can aim it at it and it was just straight titanium.
01:09:01.000And it looked like a small piece of a tool that had been wedged in there.
01:09:04.000And I mean, look, in the in our modern times, I mean I think titanium was discovered even in the late 1800s.
01:09:10.000It wasn't used outside of laboratories until the nineteen thirties as a material.
01:09:16.000But it there seems to be evidence that there's some titanium use back here.
01:09:22.000No, it I wouldn't w I know Max is trying to work on that.
01:09:25.000I would it was not a systematic search.
01:09:28.000We spent days, like a couple of days, and it's we didn't do like a systematic grid search, like even in one of those pieces you could spend it would take you a long time to just map it properly.
01:09:40.000But uh it's a play with devil's advocate, would that be evidence of a lack of a chain of custody that perhaps someone was using titanium to see if they could cut it?
01:09:51.000Uh yes, it could it could be uh contamination.
01:09:55.000So we looked for signs of contamination.
01:09:57.000Um I didn't this didn't seem like contamination.
01:10:00.000In fact, at the end of at the end of when we'd finished scanning, we actually took he had some titanium darts, like he was we we put some on one of the pieces and put it in to see what that would look like.
01:10:11.000Just these like a tiny like just like literally a uh a matchstick and just the tiniest and just tapped it and then looked at that under the microscope to look at what contaminated it this didn't seem to be contamination.
01:10:22.000Uh there's it's we found other types of metals as well.
01:10:26.000So it didn't seem to be contamination.
01:10:27.000What is the reason why it didn't seem to be that?
01:10:29.000Well, because it didn't it so we looked at what contamination would look like?
01:10:33.000Well, so it's like smaller specs where you can actually see the material.
01:10:37.000The one piece that we found it seemed to be embedded in the stone.
01:10:40.000Like it was as if something like this tiniest fragment of the tool of some sort of if imagine it was a tool tip, wedged itself in the stone and then it stayed there, but it's it was only like twenty or thirty microns wide, which is pretty big under a scanning electron microscope.
01:10:54.000Um but that was the only piece of titanium you didn't.
01:10:57.000We found other other specs of it, and then occasionally it'd be titanium and iron mixed together.
01:11:02.000And then we we also found specks of like zinc, um zircon and tin.
01:11:09.000I honestly I I think it's it's grounds for more investigation.
01:11:13.000I I think the most significant thing was the no copper thing.
01:11:17.000Like it's that's like alright, no copper.
01:11:19.000Like that that to me was the biggest takeaway.
01:11:21.000The fact that we found some other elements and pieces of what let's say questionable provenance.
01:11:26.000I know these are legitimate pieces from these vessels.
01:11:29.000Ideally the best thing if we could this would I'd love to work with the Egyptians to do something like this because I know there are fragments of vessels in the steppe pyramid, and it's there's hundred thousands of them down there still.
01:11:40.000In fact, like the last time we got down to the very bottom level, which is you're a special permission required to get into the Steppe Pyramid, and then even then they generally won't let you down to the bottom level, there's another ladder and thirty feet down to the big bottom level.
01:11:53.000It goes down further, but it hits the water table again.
01:11:56.000Um but in one of these corners in this very bottom level, you're like 150, 200 feet under the Steppe Pyramid.
01:12:02.000We found a a wall, and it was a collapsed it must have been a collapsed magazine of these vessels, and this is the place where they found fifty thousand of them originally, like um Jean-Philippe Loyer in the nineteen thirties found this huge cache of these vessels there.
01:12:17.000And in this wall, it's an incredible little video.
01:12:21.000I mean, I do want to talk about it, but you could you literally see that it's like a wall of dirt of of not rock but but dirt, and in the wall there's like fragments of vessels because it it had been a a a cache of them that there's something, a tunnel had collapsed and it did crush them.
01:12:34.000So you've got these like pieces of worked granite or diorite or whatever just in the wall.
01:12:38.000So I'd that would be interesting if you could go down there and like get their permission to say, well, let's sample.
01:12:44.000You because you have then, you know, you've you've basically got it in its original environment from dynastic Egypt and put it in a ziploc or whatever, just keep it, don't mess with it.
01:12:59.000I think the Russian there's a Russian group that did something similar, and they also found a metals like I think they found titanium as well, L.A. H the laboratory of alternative history is the same as the colour.
01:13:48.000So he took So get then this this is this sort of ties back to the tool marks.
01:13:54.000It ties back to a question you asked me when I was here last, which is what's my wildest speculation.
01:13:58.000I actually have some now, which is based on some evidence in its early days.
01:14:02.000He has published on this on his website, but he took precision vases, he took base rock samples of the rock that these were made from from the place.
01:14:13.000Uh he took non-precision vases and he put them in a germanium detector basically to look at the radioactive and the the isotope sort of baseline radiation of these pieces, and it turns out the precision vases are radioactive.
01:14:28.000They're they're two to three times he he's tested several.
01:14:33.000Relative to the base rock samples and the non-precision vases, they have two to three times the thorium decay products in them.
01:14:43.000And in fact, that piece right there has a he said has a the the quartz piece or the crystal piece has a notable cesium-137 signature in it as well.
01:14:51.000Um that's an interesting nuclear titanium.
01:15:01.000But it's so he's look, it's again early days.
01:15:03.000But he's he has published it on his website, the findings, and he is he's obtaining more equipment to do more testing, some more in-depth testing that he will be much more definitive about.
01:15:13.000He did say take some recently to the Petrie Museum in London to test some of their artifacts.
01:15:21.000This th this has to have been something that irradiated these vessels that give them that signature even after however many thousands of years with the half-life.
01:15:28.000Again, we're comparing it to the base rock samples and the non-precision vases, which hap- they're just like that's nothing.
01:15:35.000And they're not dangerous or anything, it's just the it's just above a baseline.
01:15:40.000And one of his hypotheses, which is very interesting, is a concept called nuclear machining.
01:15:47.000So he's he actually this is not a new idea, it's not something we've figured out how to do as a civilization yet.
01:15:54.000We're on that path, but you you can if you take his theory is something like palladium or another like radioactive material that is a strong alpha or beta particle admitter that you could put on a tool.
01:16:08.000It would ablate either in neutrons or it's blasting electrons or something.
01:16:12.000It would ablate the stone surface away in such a way that would you could carve this stone with ease.
01:16:30.000It's not all we can say about things like that spiral tube drill and the other thing the other uh striations and tool marks is look, it's not it doesn't seem to be the same thing we do to the stone, and it's certainly not primitive.
01:16:42.000It's not something you can do just by hand.
01:16:44.000So is anybody the cores has anybody tested the radioactive levels of the core?
01:16:50.000He might have tested the cores when he was there recently.
01:16:53.000I'll have I'll talk to him, I was talking to him to this morning.
01:16:55.000Um I can ask him about the core, that's a great question.
01:16:59.000Because that would it's this if it was the process, it should show something similar, if that's indeed the process.
01:17:05.000The look, the other possibility is okay, they weren't machined with this method, but these were used in some method.
01:17:12.000The other the other theory he has that these may have been part of a process for enriching material for some other nuclear use, or they were part of a system that that used nuclear material.
01:17:34.000But also, like when you do see some of the sculptures that look 3D printed and you go, uh well, okay.
01:17:42.000Now it kind of at least makes a little sense.
01:17:46.000See, if we knew for sure that there was a cataclysm and a lost civilization, that civilization had achieved some immense heights of technological sophistication in a completely different pathway than we've done in modern times.
01:18:02.000If we knew that for sure, then everything would be so easy.
01:18:05.000You'd go, okay, well, clearly they were doing something.
01:18:40.000The nuclear machining hypothesis, if sorry to interrupt you, but if you go a thousand years from now, for sure we're gonna have that.
01:18:45.000Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, that's that's yes.
01:18:47.000You ha I'd like to put that the same context in these arguments forward as well.
01:18:52.000It's like we just don't to me the answer is you know, we we tend to look at the past and and it it always has to be this subset of what we know, right?
01:18:59.000But it's like if you look at the history of knowledge and technology, give us fifty thousand, fifty years, a thousand years, fifty thousand years, you know that there's more out here to the sides that we're gonna learn.
01:19:09.000So that means there are realms of science and technology that we don't know anything about.
01:19:13.000I think I think if we were a bit more open-minded about investigating some of these mysteries of the past with some of these inexplicable characteristics, the precision or the machining, the engineering things, how we s how the stone was cut.
01:19:27.000I think some of those answers could lay in those realms of the unknown.
01:19:30.000And by being open-minded about them and by investigating them with all of our capability, we might even end up learning something about them, which is what we're doing.
01:19:40.000Like the vase scan project, we are learning the depths of precision in some of the machining aspects of it.
01:19:46.000And and Max is starting to learn, like, okay, there's some weird like radioactive characteristics of these things.
01:19:51.000Let's let's let's try and look at more and figure out some more.
01:19:54.000I mean, we can speculate a bit now, and I want to be clear, this is all very speculative at this point.
01:19:59.000Lots more testing and data is required to to even shore up some of these theories about these possibilities.
01:20:05.000But the fact remains they could be they are possibilities.
01:20:15.000But that's not that's not even the case today, right?
01:20:18.000You can go to uh ancient sites, whether it is in Mexico or even in Greece, and you see really shitty construction right next to the Parthenon.
01:21:29.000So you see a decline, at least in craftsmanship that can be attributed to a changing of cultures and but this assumption that there's always this linear path of progression, and if you go back, they were dumb.
01:21:41.000You go back far enough, they were dumber.
01:21:43.000But that doesn't seem to be the case here.
01:21:52.000And it's one of the biggest it's if if anyone it's one of the biggest contradictions about Egypt is exactly it's a technological progression.
01:21:59.000I mean, you're talking about a dynastic Egypt civil Egyptian civilization at least three thousand years, right?
01:22:06.000But if you look at it from a technological progression perspective, it's almost like they went backwards the whole time.
01:22:13.000I mean, you have you have the emergence all of a sudden of this culture and language, like they're gods that one of the craziest things about ancient Egypt is this emergence of hieroglyphs, just boom, here it is.
01:22:23.000Here's this like it's this complex, extremely complicated language, cultural system, gods and everything pops out of nowhere.
01:22:33.000It doesn't really it doesn't change that much.
01:22:36.000I mean, cuneiform in um Sumaria, there's there's a clear progressive path where we can see it being developed.
01:22:42.000We don't have that that's not the case for ancient Egypt.
01:22:44.000And then it's all of the best stuff is the oldest.
01:22:48.000It's the biggest stonework, the valley temple, the 2,500 tons of granite in the king's chamber structure that's that's in the Great Pyramid.
01:22:57.000The Great Pyramid itself, these things are amongst the very first pyramids ever said to have been built.
01:23:02.000Yet progressively as you go forward in time, I mean they just they they get to mud brick pyramids.
01:23:07.000It's almost like it's you're going backwards.
01:23:09.000And there's just you know, they technologically speaking, it doesn't seem like they progress very far.
01:23:14.000So I think there's another interpretation for that data, one that fits the evidence a little better, which is that I yeah, I think they got a kick start, they got a head start, they inherited an awful lot of objects.
01:23:25.000We know for sure these precision objects were around before the ancient Egyptians.
01:23:30.000They don't match even the cultures that predated them.
01:23:33.000We have no idea where they got them from.
01:23:36.000We don't know how old they really are.
01:23:38.000And I think there's a lot of other artifacts and architecture on these sites that they match these, like technologically speaking, there's a link, the same tools, the same precision, we're seeing that.
01:23:48.000Yet these are massive artifacts, sometimes like a thousand-ton statue that you can't bury with you, it stays on this site, it gets inherited, it gets renovated, it gets reused, eventually you get kings with hubris and arrogance, guys like Ramses II that says, you know, carve my name three inches deep onto that sucker.
01:24:26.000They have a they they talk about these different eras of time.
01:24:29.000The Shem Suha, the followers of Horus was this 12,000 year period where these mythical semi-divine beings walk the earth.
01:24:36.000You can talk about kings and rulers and that, and then before that you have Zeptepi when the gods themselves walk the earth, and they trace their own history way back uh into those eras.
01:24:46.000That's some stuff that I brought up with Zahi.
01:25:06.000Like gods, the watchers came down and and mated with women of Earth and created uh Nephilim or the naphilim, like what are you saying?
01:25:18.000Like what what were you trying to say?
01:25:22.000Thousands of years ago when they wrote this down, in you know, and the version I think that we're getting this from is uh from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is uh from Qumran.
01:25:33.000So how how long did they write it down before that?
01:25:37.000Like how how long did they discuss this?
01:26:15.000It's one of the things I'll remember always about when you were sitting here talking to Bob Lazar and he said that some of those craft came from archaeological digs.
01:26:38.000All layers converge at a central corridor avenue, like the atrium of shopping mall where you can see all floors from one bandage point.
01:26:45.000My personal interpretation is that this entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned freestanding object about 40 meters long.
01:26:55.000The central object is hard to classify.
01:26:57.000It appears metallic, not stone or wood.
01:26:59.000I named it Dippy after the giant diplotica skeleton in the Hintsey Hall of London's is that I say that right?
01:28:31.000So that's actually that the Dendera is incredible.
01:28:33.000Like it it is a it is a star-oriented temple.
01:28:36.000There's massive depictions of the zodiac.
01:28:39.000And this is all you know, redone from older versions of the same temple, but that is the translation of that what's on the wall with the constellation and the gate, and it it literally translates as Stargate.
01:30:40.000Mohammed Ibrahim, who I know quite well as well, he's he's very good at translating these um these glyphs.
01:30:46.000We we when I travel in Egypt, we usually go with uh Professor Mohammed Jabra, who's one of I would say top four or five in the world for reading hieroglyphs.
01:30:53.000You can just read whatever's on the wall and tell you about it.
01:30:55.000He travels with us on these tours, it's phenomenal.
01:30:59.000There's probably some better uh pictures of ones with the actual constellations up at Dendera if they get into that one where they were standing next to each other, go back a little.
01:31:15.000You see the stars, the the stars above the gates.
01:31:19.000So it's there's literally different the these these and with the words they do they relate to specific uh constellations.
01:31:25.000This is in the the top, the um what's the zodiac room at uh at Dendera where they they have a replica of the circular zodiac on the ceiling.
01:31:33.000The the French have the original, but this is original hieroglyphs and it is the translation of this is literally Stargate for these constellations.
01:32:20.000No, it's it's I mean, they would I mean most of the the interpretations these days would tell you that it's always symbolic.
01:32:26.000I mean, they do look at like the the Osiris and the the you know the the constellations in the sky as being connected to the duat or uh to Nut, like this this the dua being the this space and Nut the goddess who is the sky, and you you know it's all part of that passage from the of the soul going into the realms of immortal of the immortal that happens after death.
01:32:48.000So this is the you know, this symbolic interpretation that we that we that we give it all.
01:33:17.000But say it wipes out civilization, but we survive as humans.
01:33:21.000Within what, two, three generations, we're sitting around campfires telling stories about fucking these things that were like a black rock, and it's just and you you you know, it's like or plasma TVs, but you say, look, if you get this shiny black rock, you know, you can get answers from the ancestors.
01:33:44.000And maybe you go and you start getting black rocks and making them like this, and you start dancing around the fire, you start ritualizing this memory of technology.
01:33:53.000Now if you take that concept, like say there's a cataclysm and now there's people that remember and they tell these stories, the stories get passed down.
01:34:02.000Now imagine there's a civilization that comes up and in and it goes through thousands of years of uh structuring those legends and stories of technology.
01:34:13.000That goes through just distortions and representations and symbolism, but it's it's just twisting all of these stories into this iconography and this complex symbolism that we then I think we go to a temple in Egypt that was made in the Ptolemaic era or whatever, and it's you see things on the wall.
01:34:31.000And I I I think there's a great way to interpret some of those symbols and some of the paintings to say that well, is this actually an echo of something that was functional or is an echo of of technology.
01:34:42.000Like i every staff that you see has a tuning fork on the bottom of it.
01:34:47.000Every single one on these walls, it's always got a tuning fork on it.
01:34:53.000Tuning fork, like a little little like a tuning fork.
01:34:56.000Yeah, all of the staffs with the was head that means power.
01:34:59.000Like it literally the interpretation of this symbol is power on top of the staff, and that every single one of them has a tuning fork on the colour.
01:35:05.000And you can look up um any of the temples in Egypt and and like the depictions of gods with staffs that and they're and they're touching or they're giving like the the uh the Jed pillar or the you know the the unk, which is Jed pillar is stability.
01:35:23.000So in a lot of cases these gods are granting kings, you know, life, stability, and power, or sometimes just life and power.
01:35:29.000But um what are those depictions of these enormous cynical cylindrical things that they're holding that look almost like one of those being clubs, yeah.
01:35:41.000Like that one there, that's the that's uh like the Jed pillar here.
01:36:09.000This is in a um in a crypt at Dendera.
01:36:13.000You have to like crawl through a hole and get it's like in the inside wall, it's amazing because the Christians and the they couldn't they didn't get into the crypt, so they couldn't deface the glyphs like a lot of the glyphs are defaced.
01:36:22.000Look at that guy, he looks like an air traffic controller.
01:36:35.000So what's crazy about there is a whole story about this that is written on the walls.
01:36:39.000And again, this is thanks to my friend Yusuf uh Awan, who I who I guide with and then um, you know, Professor Jabra who can interpret this.
01:36:47.000And we I actually I'm gonna do a video about this soon.
01:36:50.000Because what he is saying about this crypt is that there was it it tells you on the wall that there was a physical version of that thing in that crypt.
01:36:57.000That was he said it was made from mostly gold and it was the span of like a dude with his arms out, like a the span of a human wingspan, basically.
01:37:05.000I found I was stumbling across something there called it Electrum.
01:37:08.000There was these two uh there's a still these three point three ton uh obelisk that were made out of a metal called electronic gold and gold and silver.
01:37:36.000A little bit of a sidetrack, but when you're talking about the nuclear stuff, I found these stories of uh the ocla mine and gabon, which is uh nuclear natural nuclear reactor.
01:38:15.000I mean, I s I assume that I I would be I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing is happening somewhere in the in the mass of uranium in Australia either, because that's like one of the world's biggest um uranium deposits.
01:38:25.000I imagine if it's enough mass of you I think it's uranium-238 and they're trying to get no two three five to get to two three eight or the other way around.
01:38:31.000But if there's enough mass and neutrons hitting each other, it might be enriching it somehow.
01:38:53.000Because that's you know, w one of the things that th the weirdest when the when they the weirdest stories when they start talking about aliens is the the different types that visit.
01:39:26.000But look, there's there's clearly primates that are way dumber than us, right?
01:39:32.000So why do we assume that it's only primates that reach an incredible high level of sophistication when we know that crows, which are really fucking close to dinosaurs.
01:39:49.000Yeah, it's I you can't think you can you can't put a a uh a restrictor on what evolution might produce in any of these.
01:39:57.000Especially when intelligence is being exhibited by things that are really close evolutionarily to reptiles.
01:40:04.000Yeah, and that would just be, yeah, you get to that like just lack of empathy, just that reptilian brain, it's just aggression and like everything that's not us is the enemy kind of.
01:40:21.000Yeah, it's that whole pack, yeah, the instinct.
01:40:23.000But the idea that there's that we were visited by intelligent reptiles is fucking bananas.
01:40:30.000I put look yet with the aliens, I don't often address it.
01:40:33.000I I I but I put it firmly in the realm of of like possible.
01:40:37.000Like it's just I don't I think when you you look at the vastness of space and the length of time, the fact that we've you know, we're just we're just this crazy you could there could have massive civilizations galactically could have risen and fallen a million years ago and we just weren't part of it, and that's uh literally a blink of the eye in these in those sort of time frames.
01:40:57.000We just it's it's not surprising just the Fermi paradox, right?
01:41:00.000Like how come we haven't got like firm proof or anything, even though people will say we have, but it's like yes.
01:41:09.000Like we can rise and fall that span of a million years is just nothing on those timescales.
01:41:13.000And you know, you can civil whole species can rise to massive prominence and then just be nothing but dust at the end of that period of time.
01:41:20.000And you gotta try and do that across what, fourteen billion years, and even that's in question now, because the James Webb telescope seeing stuff that's supposedly way older than that now.
01:41:45.000So not it wasn't the weirdest thing about a muamura seems to be it's it's its path when it took after it turned around the sun and accelerated.
01:41:53.000Like that was the you know, m standard model of physics said it shouldn't have done that, and it seems to have exhibited sort of motion that was not what we predicted it would do.
01:42:02.000That's significantly as much as we can.
01:42:10.000Well, not that I think it was only a few percent, but it was not what should have happened according to the calculations that astronomers and the I guess the orbital dynamics people had done.
01:42:19.000That's what I understand was the most obviously its shape and size.
01:42:25.000Well, it's yeah, I mean, just because it was so long and narrow and it was tumbling, that's what caused it to we would catch like the long side of it, which the brightness would increase so we had this oscillating brightness on it.
01:42:35.000And then it just it passed through the system and it's you know, it's going whatever, eighty-seven kilometers per second or whatever it was, huge velocity, enough to escape the you know, the gravity of the sun, but it it accelerated where it's what I understand it did.
01:42:49.000It accelerated where it shouldn't have.
01:42:51.000Then there was another interstellar artifact that came in that was pretty much a comet, it behaved like a comet, it had a tail, it was off-gassing water, it's just an interstellar ball of rock and ice is what they say that was that didn't get a lot of attention.
01:43:03.000Now this three eye atlas thing is much larger, it's traveling much faster apparently than the previous two, but it's also not behaving like a comet.
01:43:11.000It has this aura of light that it's emitting around it for some reason.
01:43:15.000It I saw a report that said it it they're almost seeing a metallic like smelting signatures off it.
01:43:21.000I I don't know how much credence I can give it, but we'll find out.
01:43:24.000Like it has a it it has a it's going too fast to stop in our system unless it dramatically uh alters its velocity, but it's it's I mean it'll come it'll pop out.
01:43:34.000We'll we'll lose it on the other side of the sun, but then we should see it again on the way out.
01:43:38.000So we'll know one way or the other if it actually is gonna if it if it changes behavior.
01:43:43.000I mean what's he put it, I've even I've put it like forty sixty or something artificial to natural, but really I'm it's so funny.
01:43:50.000I'm I'm into Warhammer 40k in a big way, and it's just like I'm like, okay, we're gonna be joining the Imperium here soon, boys.
01:44:37.000That seems like if that's how you're rocking it, you're still doing it the way we do it, where you have something thrusting you insanely fast through the the cosmos.
01:45:03.000And it's just But it's it's this idea that look, we shouldn't be making no it's it's like imagine you're a hunter in a dark forest.
01:45:10.000So it's just you're out there, you know there might be other things out there, and it's it's this it's this like a philosophical engagement of like what do you what should you do?
01:45:18.000Should you start light of fire and make a whole bunch of noise in the dark forest that's full of pre you know it's full of predators.
01:45:23.000You don't know where they are, they don't know where you are.
01:45:33.000And these could be like you could be there with a with a bar and arrow, this guy could have a tank, this other guy could have a like a mass some other energy weapon, whatever.
01:45:41.000You do you you don't there's massive differences in capability and scale and pretty much every scenario works out to like the what you should do is just be quiet and if you see something you should eliminate the threat.
01:45:54.000That's kind of the the way it goes in in the dark dark forest.
01:45:57.000It's like it's too risky to reveal yourself uh you should just uh you should basically eliminate that threat if you can do so safely.
01:46:06.000And you apply that to kind of the galaxy and where the I mean in to some extent a f I feel like we're the equivalent of like a baby in a cot that's screaming around a roaring fire because we put and there's you know leopards out there.
01:46:32.000And we so we're hoping and assuming that Space Daddy Space Brothers.
01:46:36.000Yeah, that Space Daddy, Space Brothers will be benevolent and wise beyond our imagination, and that they will come here and want to take care of us and give us information and hook us up.
01:46:46.000I I I I that's my respon I had this discussion I I've had the discussion a few times.
01:46:51.000And my response to a lot of that is, well, we can take nature.
01:46:55.000What happens when we take nat let's look at the apex predator, whether it's in the sea, in the air, or on the land.
01:47:18.000Like it's just there's no we're not like helping them.
01:47:21.000You know, we're not we're not like trying to teach the dolphins how to talk, like there's still parts of the world where we're just eating them.
01:47:27.000Like there's I don't know, it's it's it nature suggests that that that apex predator, but maybe, maybe we're just I think this is the other element that you're saying is maybe we you uh uh evolution leads you past those primal nature at some point.
01:47:41.000The territorial primate instincts that we exhibit like hopefully one day.
01:47:45.000Because clearly we're on a pathway to that, right?
01:48:43.000If we um just think of what we justify on earth in terms of destruction of habitat of native species, animals that we kill, all the different things that we do on Earth, factory farming.
01:48:55.000Now imagine why would we care about these lizard people that live, you know, in caves on some fucking stupid planet.
01:49:03.000You know, we would probably kidnap them, we'd kill them, we'd pickle them, we'd bring them back home, we'd freeze them.
01:49:44.000He's working with a group of guys, they see a s a ship, he runs toward it, he gets hit with a beam of energy, gets knocked back, unconscious, his friends flee, they come back, they they're they're yelling at each other, we gotta go back, we've got to get them.
01:50:05.000Five days later, he shows up, he finds a payphone, makes a phone call, and has this fucking insane story.
01:50:12.000But the in story the story was that they took him aboard the craft and healed him and communicated with him and that there was a bunch of different types of these beings, and then um he has been telling the exact same story ever since the 1970s.
01:50:28.000So but relatively benign compared to what we would do.
01:50:40.000Yeah, and it's it's something that I always say it's a great quoted from Christopher Hitchens, which is, you know, we're just not the end of that evolutionary chain.
01:50:48.000You know, we're just our our current our current the current version of humanity, the f our frontal lobes are too big, our adrenaline oh sorry, our frontal lobes are too small, our adrenaline glands are too big, our thumb four finger opposition is a isn't all it's cracked up to be.
01:51:45.000But also, I mean, obviously we we're much more aware of conflict around the world, but on a percentage scale of what it's been like in the past, i it's actually far less than it has been.
01:51:55.000Like even though it's terrible when it happens, but we're in an era where there's actually less of that going on and hopefully that can continue.
01:52:02.000I actually genuinely think that it's one of the reasons why this whole investigation into the past is important to me.
01:52:09.000Like I don't it's not I haven't really talked about it in videos or put it down.
01:52:13.000It's gonna be it's part of the book I'm writing for sure, it's a big part because I it's it's not just some benign investigation into the past.
01:52:19.000I genuinely think it could have a significant impact on our future because it it that I that concept you talked about it of of like this linear progression, right?
01:52:27.000I mean, in general, we get taught in school that okay, we were stone age dudes, we were in caves, civilization happened, and we have many thousands of years later, here we are.
01:52:37.000This is the only it's like this is the only way that uh an advanced civilization can happen.
01:52:42.000Is is on this path, don't worry about it.
01:52:44.000It's almost like it's preordained, just worry about next election cycle, next quarterly result, whatever, right.
01:52:51.000I do this is this concept call, it's I think it's a fundamental pillar of what it means to be a human being today.
01:52:55.000It's it's in everybody's mind to some degree, like all right, Stone Age us, we're advanced, this is the only way it happens.
01:53:01.000I do think that if you can change that at that fundamental level to this cyclical version that is an oscillation between civilization and cataclysm.
01:53:11.000And this idea that okay, we've actually risen in the past.
01:53:14.000We've become relatively high technology, we become civilized.
01:53:18.000And and it it happened, it would have been different to us, but it it we fell.
01:53:23.000And we're on we're somewhere on this oscillation and this circular motion between civilization and cataclysm, and on a long enough timescale.
01:53:34.000And if you can change that, if you could change that fundamental concept in people.
01:53:38.000Like that's what we teach people in schools.
01:53:40.000Okay, so we we're we're rising again, we're we're at this crazy point in time where technology is super advanced.
01:53:45.000We can solve some of these problems, but we know on this timescale, if we don't do something about it, we might end up like our ancestors did.
01:53:53.000I genuinely think that stands a chance of like changing some of our behavior and and some of our like a little less money on tanks and guns, a little bit more money on space exploration.
01:54:01.000Make solving the longer term problems a bit more of a priority.
01:54:05.000And I it's altruistic and it's amb it's like a crazy goal.
01:54:09.000It's it's I it's I know it's altruistic as all hell, but it's just I think there's precedent for it too, though.
01:54:15.000I mean, whether you agree with it or not, uh d politic I mean it doesn't matter, it's but the fact is that the term climate change has changed our behavior over the last twenty-five years, right?
01:54:26.000It's changed if you think about what's happened with that concept and that movement, it changes investment decisions, it changes our interactions with each other with the planet.
01:54:34.000You know, it it's changed our behavior in the way we think about stuff.
01:54:38.000It's this it's like this this has crept into our zeitgeist as a species and it's changed our behavior.
01:54:43.000So I look at some of this stuff in the past as it's not just being some harmless investigation into things.
01:54:48.000I think it it actually getting to the the root cause of what's happened in the past actually could help us in our future.
01:54:54.000I think it's an important it's what drives I think a my interest in it in a lot of ways, too.
01:54:59.000It's another piece of an example, uh another example rather of how primitive we are that we still we're the actual climate is political.
01:55:11.000Well, I mean, if you disagree I mean I always find it crazy that if you even question any of some of the like official narrative about this stuff, the first thing you've got to do is make sure you decry and say, No, no, no, pollution bad, pollution bad.
01:57:23.000Like one little or just if there's one just giant thick thing at the front and you kind of like Imagine the freak out of being at the bottom.
01:57:58.000It's dude, they're putting that thing out, they do the scale model and they're testing it under pressure, and they're all standing around in a room and just goes bang!
01:58:05.000Like it's just it's in and every test they did, it went bang.
01:59:13.000The way they skirted the I mean you he he signed everyone up as like basically expedition team members.
01:59:19.000They were that's how they got around I'm not selling seats for this.
01:59:22.000Like they're invest they they're coming on, they all had a technical role, supposedly, and it was like I'm not it's getting around the regulations and the safety regulations.
02:00:30.000So there's um and there actually there was a news article just the other day about the the the Egyptians were pulling like more stuff out of the water there at Heracleon and at the lighthouse of Alexandria.
02:00:41.000And we were in Alexandria dive in the Mediterranean on the Egyptian side, and um I mean it's it's amazing.
02:00:47.000There's megalith massive columns and massive megalithic blocks in the water from when that uh the lighthouse it fell down or it collapsed, there was there was uh an earthquake.
02:00:56.000And so you're actually you're in the water, but you're diving over like megalithic blocks like these and huge columns and it and it's it has a history that stretches back to, right?
02:01:05.000It's uh th the megalithic stuff is what's associated with the very earliest periods of building.
02:01:12.000Um all the stuff that happened later is typically not that big.
02:01:15.000But yeah, this is actually that's what's nuts.
02:01:17.000That's what's nuts is that the st the older you go, the bigger the stones are.
02:01:22.000Well, and it's what's funny is when we looked into the erosion at places like the Giza Plateau, you it's it you have two or three feet, it's not on a sphinx everybody knows about the Sphinx enclosure erosion.
02:01:34.000But you look at places like the the the pyramid temple uh of the middle pyramid, the some of the blocks on the Great Pyramid, the casing stones that are there that we can see now that they've taken the boat museum away.
02:01:45.000Uh and up and down the causeway, there is there is limestone blocks with up to two feet of erosion.
02:02:21.000This is the mortuary or the pyramid temple.
02:02:23.000So these were you can see where the face of that block originally was, but it's uh been eroded in like up to two feet in places.
02:02:30.000There's huge amounts of erosion uh that you can find in a lot of places at the Giza Plateau.
02:02:35.000Yet at the same time you have what are said to be contemporary structures, said to build have been built roughly in the same time.
02:02:42.000Sometimes they say they're even older, that have just no erosion at all, made from the same stone, made by this allegedly by the same people.
02:02:51.000Uh and what force did they attribute that erosion to?
02:02:54.000Well, it's got it it's wind and sand, right?
02:03:54.000The US, the the government departments have studied it.
02:03:57.000They put limestone blocks on the top of the a building in Washington, D.C. in a government department and studied it over eleven years.
02:04:03.000There's endless uh cemeteries with conveniently carved and dated limestone pieces in the form of headstones that you can measure.
02:04:12.000So you can go, okay, this was carved in whatever year this guy died, and as you can measure it and over time get a sense for like what's it take with rain, with wind.
02:04:20.000We've done studies of like, all right, we put these blocks in a river and we and we let it wash over like a very highly erosive environment where we've got running water running over the stone and how how long it takes to erode.
02:04:32.000For some of the erosion that you can if you reference those studies for this type of hard limestone, to get two feet of erosive wear on those blocks just with regular wind weathering, and this is this is in places that have a lot more rainfall than Giza, you're talking dates from like sixty to a hundred and twenty-two thousand years to get that much erosion on it.
02:04:54.000I mean And that's and I think that's in a more erosive environment than what the the desert is.
02:05:32.000So all the megalithic stuff that was cased in granite has severe erosion.
02:05:35.000Yet there's buildings all around it and up and down the plateau, they say are built at the same time, yet it's smaller blocks, it's not as nice work, and it's not eroded like that.
02:05:45.000Like, what's the conventional explanation from that discrepancy?
02:05:49.000Like I've not seen anyone well, I mean, because the argument's always been the sphinc like the Sphinx temple, like the Sphinx enclosure, right?
02:05:55.000Robert Schock, John Anthony West, they can't he talked about the fact that you needed thousands of years of rainfall erosion to get those patterns on the walls.
02:06:02.000That's where the discussion's been focused.
02:06:04.000It's not there was no comparison made.
02:06:07.000It was always like, well, this is this you know, the geologist and the experts say it's wind and sand it it's water erosion, but then you have the archaeologist and the Mark Landers saying no it's wind and sand.
02:08:11.000So we used to be what, a hundred and ninety fifty thousand, then it's a hundred and ninety-five thousand with the Ethiopian bones, and it's three hundred and fifteen or nineteen with the Morocco find, that's the latest in the fossil record.
02:08:39.000We both evolved from a common ancestor.
02:08:42.000And they then based on but just looking at the genome and trying to trace it back, they the the paper suggests that we split with a common ancestor somewhere in the realm of 800,000 years ago.
02:08:53.000Us and Neanderthals split from a common ancestor.
02:08:55.000Like that's when we carved off 100,000 years ago.
02:08:59.000And there's another study on teeth morphology, which is which was it it actually got set up to try and prove that we're only, you know, two, three hundred thousand years old.
02:09:08.000And they were looking at, all right, some our nearest common ancestor, how quickly does our dental, our teeth have to evolve and morph like this teeth more like teeth morphology, how quickly does that have to happen for us to basically have the teeth that we have today relative to our ancestors.
02:09:26.000And they thought, well, it's gonna have to be this rate to make these numbers work, and then they did this big statistical study on a lot of different people from all around the world and they figured out the teeth, the the rate of dental evolution is much slower.
02:09:38.000So that's then they they've they basically work backwards from there and said, okay, so if if that's how quickly our teeth evolve, then we may have been around as many as eight or nine hundred thousand years.
02:09:47.000So you have so you you have two different studies.
02:09:51.000I mean, again, fossil record three hundred thousand, but other studies do suggest the possibility could be any up to towards a million years old for a human uh human beings.
02:10:01.000It gets real interesting, even within the three hundred thousand years, but certainly if you stretch it back further, I mean you can find uh graphs of the temperature and the global temperature in ice cool record ice core data from Antarctica that goes back four hundred thousand years.
02:10:17.000Like we're in that peak right now in the Holocene, the nice warm period where civilization flourishes.
02:10:22.000But we've been through a bunch of those peaks before.
02:10:24.000And some of those valleys are we know as a result of cataclysm, like massive changes to the Surface of the earth where nothing would be left.
02:10:32.000So I look, I honestly put the p realm of possibility for advanced civilization, not just the last ice age, but within any you know, up to a million years potentially.
02:10:44.000Could be I Well it's not it'd be dust for a lot of it.
02:10:47.000It would be dust what we would find now.
02:10:50.000But it it's not but that's what Michael Button's argument when you're dealing with anatomically similar human beings or amatonically exactly the same creature.
02:10:59.000Give us give us warm weather and you know enough food to eat and we start fucking solving problems.
02:11:04.000Which is one of the reasons why Egypt itself was so spectacular was that it was very fertile.
02:11:11.000This is one of my arguments is I I think if you so if we just assume for a moment that there was a s a civilization that flourished during what you know, the African humid period and before it, when the Sahara was a savannah.
02:11:24.000And I that's why I think the Sahara is such an appealing target, is because what happened, right?
02:11:28.000So if that civilization ends, we're knocked back to a stone to a to a relative stone age.
02:11:34.000The people that were populating the Nile, and people have been in the Nile f we know for like hundreds of thousands of years, like people live.
02:11:40.000And and they if they're gonna start that civilization, they're gonna do it in the only part of that country that was habitable.
02:11:47.000And that's where all the sites of ancient Egypt are that we know about, but they've all been let's assume they kick started with stuff and they built been inherited and renovated and reused and the dynastic Egyptians made them their own, if assuming there's something there before.
02:12:00.000So it what's fascinating to me is the possibility that out there in the Sahara, maybe near an ancient water source or an ancient aqueduct or something or or an ancient aquifer, we might be another Assyrian out there, like this subterranean things.
02:12:14.000There might be another Serapian, there might be another labyrinth buried beneath the sand somewhere that's not been touched.
02:12:20.000And it hasn't been inherited and reused.
02:12:22.000Well, that's where the Rochard structure gets weird.
02:13:08.000Yeah, he's Yeah, that's that's that seems like it could be one of the places to look.
02:13:12.000I mean, actually, so Michael Donald's there's an interesting talk about Melon Burroughs and that same satellite scan company.
02:13:18.000There's a guy named Michael Donolin who's been working, he was working with them, still is.
02:13:22.000He's putting out a documentary pretty soon called Atlantica, and he thinks he's found, at least if not Atlantis, a part of Atlantis off the coast of Spain.
02:13:30.000And they've a hundred percent found some shit in the waters and have been diving on it for a couple of years now and building a documentary, but he it's pretty convincing he's found again another like underwater, if nothing else, megalithic city.
02:13:42.000He thinks it could be Atlantis as well off the coast of Spain.
02:13:45.000Wow, I saw that that documentary was coming out.
02:13:48.000I didn't know exactly what they had discovered.
02:13:50.000Is there images that we could see right now or what they did?
02:13:53.000It's no, he's he we saw like an advanced preview of it.
02:13:58.000But it's but it's they discovered it with that Merlin Burroughs scanning tech.
02:14:02.000The same satellite-based tech, and then they went and dived on it, and I've we saw like a cut down version of three episodes at this conference I went to and met him.
02:14:10.000I've since talked talked to him a bit.
02:14:55.000Back in the nines, John Anthony West, I used it in some of my videos, and he's standing at this cabinet, the same cabinet I stand in front of, uh, take people there to the Cairo Museum, and he's looking at this beautiful diary vase with a super thin neck, and it's just it's like this beautiful but tiny little thin neck on it and flared, and he's just saying, you know, how much of these vases are an anomaly, they're pre-dynastic.
02:15:16.000You know, how do you machine out the inside of this vase through this tiny little neck?
02:15:20.000Someone did it, and he said, I can only hope that at some point in the future we'll people will start to like apply modern technology and study these things and try to learn some more about it.
02:15:29.000So it's like fantastic that that vase scan project is basically doing what he thinks we should be doing, and we're learning a ton about it.
02:15:36.000His uh DVD series, Magical Egypt is what got me hooked.
02:17:20.000I was in the room with Graham Hancock and him having this debate, which wasn't a debate, and they were yelling at you like Zahi flipped out uh earlier in the day.
02:17:27.000But you know, we asked him that question.
02:17:30.000I've heard him given that answer so many times.
02:17:31.000You ask him about the anything precision or logistics, you know, or these these difficult to explain topics, that's the response.
02:17:38.000It is it's basically they tried really hard, therefore they did.
02:17:45.000He's not the only one who gives that response, by the way.
02:17:47.000That's that's that's a pretty stock standard answer to anything where you say, well, how did they move a thousand ton statue a thousand miles, which is what they did at one point.
02:17:55.000Um how did they build the pyramid so precisely or whatever, or how did they do it in the time frame.
02:18:00.000Oh no, a national project, they just really wanted to.
02:18:02.000And it's the the response, a good example is like the Apollo like let's assume I mean the Apollo 11 project the Apollo program, right?
02:18:32.000Try does not get you like precise down to within a thousandth of a of an inch, or in in the case of one of these vases, four-tenths of a micron, or six-tenths of a micron.
02:18:43.000It's that's the most extreme precision I've seen on one of them.
02:18:45.000It's a well it's interesting too that these vases, these small things that you can hold in your hand are evidence of this incredible technology.
02:18:55.000When these enormous statues also exist.
02:18:59.000But you don't think of the vases as being the thing that's the smoking gun, but it kinda is.
02:19:05.000It's it because they it's because they predate the dynastic Egyptians, because they were buried with those people.
02:19:11.000They exist we know they existed in those times.
02:19:14.000You can't do that with the big statues, but it's I have a whole long two-hour talk about how these things connect to those things, like the tube drills and the precision and the machining.
02:19:24.000It's the same technique, it's the stone types.
02:19:26.000I mean, there God, there are there are a bunch of like tubular drills on the Great Pyramid, a whole bunch of them.
02:19:30.000People don't know about them or where they are, but I've got pictures and I can show people.
02:19:34.000The statues show the same machining marks.
02:19:36.000The statues reflect the same precision.
02:19:39.000The boxes, the the the obelisks, a lot of the stonework reflect the same thing as well.
02:19:44.000The same tools were used, the same precision shows up.
02:19:47.000And in pretty much all of those cases, the oldest and the best examples of all of those things are typically also the oldest.
02:19:55.000Like it's like the the best examples of the oldest.
02:19:58.000Yeah, the single piece columns are absolutely incredible.
02:20:01.000Like those the Romans didn't make columns like that.
02:20:03.000Like the fact that these columns of granite in Egypt, I mean they start off white and they get narrower and narrow and narrow, and then they flare out at the top, and it's all a single piece.
02:20:12.000And that means that the entire piece that was quarried had to be as wide as the widest part at the top and then machined down.
02:20:19.000These columns have friggin' vertical, they have lathe centering points on them.
02:20:23.000Like there's like a hundred like imagine it's like a hundred and fifty tons r turning on a vertical lathe or something that they did to create some of these things.
02:20:29.000So there's points that show that it was on a list.
02:20:31.000Oh, it was definitely centering points at uh yeah, on these columns.
02:20:34.000There's a forest of them laying out at Tannis, and you can see it on the endpoints.
02:20:41.000And what is the weight of these things?
02:20:42.000Oh, up to I mean, I imagine the bigger ones are maybe hundred, hundred and fifty tons, two hundred tons.
02:20:48.000They and you have these existing on old kingdom sites.
02:20:51.000They Sicara, Giza, Abu Sea, the single piece columns.
02:20:54.000They are also on sites later on that are attributed to the New Kingdom, places like the Luxort Temple or Karnak.
02:21:00.000However, I think that those places or had a granite core and an infrastructure there already, and then those kings of the New Kingdom, Seti I, Maranpatar, Ramses II, built around them, and you can see the difference in technology but of what's in the granite core with the giant obelisks and the columns and the granite buildings that look like the valley temple and the old structures.
02:21:22.000Then outside of that it's all sandstone and it's blocks.
02:21:25.000And they made giant columns too, but they're made from blocks of sandstone.
02:21:28.000They would stack them up and shave them down.
02:21:30.000It's a much softer stone, and making blocks out of rounds and just you know, making columns out of rounds is way easier than trying to build a single flared, you know, um granite column.
02:21:43.000I mean, it has to have been something like that.
02:21:45.000I it can't have been that all the way, because you have uh actually, Jamie, in that precision large um directory, there's a picture of a column end.
02:21:54.000Like it's I'm standing next to this amazing end piece, but some of them are faceted, so it can't have all been lathe work.
02:24:21.000So I think that's been a re that's a reworked column that the Romans reworked, and they either they carved that head top uh or it's a separate stone.
02:24:45.000So that's what this is what they yes, so this is the stacked rounds of sandstone, and this is I always like to show people this corner of Karnak because it's an unfinished column on the end there.
02:25:01.000This is the other a key thing you see, even with the vases, they would I mean, people knew what was sophisticated.
02:25:07.000Like anyone who works with stone, whether you're primitive or not, you see you see an artifact like that or one of those statues or a column out of stone, you're like, holy shit, how did they do that?
02:25:52.000Like it this is I love the Karnak's one of my favorite places because you have all those examples right in front of you of like high tech and then low tech.
02:25:59.000And so by New Kingdom, what year Uh so like uh 40 and 1500 BC.
02:26:08.000So even then, they're still doing spectacular stuff.
02:26:13.000It by all the Kentucky Old Kingdom or in the New Kingdom, that was Egypt's height, like the height of the dynastic Egyptian civilization, like Ramses II in particular, who like always call him the you know, the the greatest of the Egyptian kings.
02:26:25.000They would just Egypt had the most power, the most wealth, the most ability to do that sort of work, so they built these great temples.
02:26:35.000Yeah, this is that Pompeii's pillar that they call it.
02:26:38.000It's very clear that um they built them around and on top of existing infrastructure.
02:26:44.000In fact, at Karnak, which is attributed to Ramses II, I mean you again the devils and the details.
02:26:50.000You have the names of kings that go back all the way to the old kingdom on various structures.
02:26:54.000You also at one point at that in that hall where they've pulled up a massive floor tile.
02:26:59.000Underneath the ground at the bottom there is a is a column base.
02:27:02.000It's another like an older and white calcite column base that is the same sort of column base that you see on the very oldest of sites.
02:27:11.000Which tells you there was a columned hall here before and either got destroyed or knocked down, but the whole place was rebuilt.
02:27:18.000You you you see this evidence for these layers of infrastructure on these sites that tells you, okay, this is you it's like looking at these ancient sites, you always have to keep that that in the back of your head, like alright, there's been thousands of years of not only inheritance, but renovation and reuse and claiming.
02:27:34.000Like it's it's you know, people have asked me if I think the statues are so old, how come they look like dynastic Egyptians?
02:27:43.000I think the answer is it's the other way around.
02:27:46.000I think the dynastic Egyptians look like the statues.
02:27:50.000So if you imagine there's there's evidence for like five or six of these giant thousand ton statues.
02:27:56.000Like which are the typical uh stuff you see at Luxor with the you know, the head jet and the the Nemes crown or the big the bowling pin thing on the head, and they're always in that iconic symbolic style of ancient Egypt.
02:28:10.000Yeah, I have the precision large has probably got the statues.
02:28:13.000Um imagine that you are a a a tribal culture that's emerging from the dark from this the stone age, but you have this history and these legends of these stories and you come across Yes, of this iconic this iconic look.
02:29:00.000I've probably got a picture of that in my machining directory of the actual the tube drill between the heels.
02:29:06.000And then in the legs on the inside, you can actually see overcuts, like a saw cuts from where there was they they cut too deeply into this insanely hard stone, and it's it's overrun.
02:29:17.000Which is if you were doing this by hand, that's a mistake you'd have to be making for about four hours, you know, to actually get the depth of the cut.
02:29:24.000But if you had some sort of power tool that was moving removing material quickly, it's you can overcut in there.
02:29:41.000I think they I think they inherited their iconography from the things the artifacts that they that they gained in in like statues like this, uh fr and also the thousand ton versions of statues like this.
02:29:55.000And I mean, if you look at their art style, this is one of the things that blows my mind.
02:29:59.000It's it's it's like across that three thousand year civilization, that iconography didn't change very much.
02:30:21.000But they grew into that over time as that civilization progressed, and they always match themselves and they try to make themselves look like the gods, and again, eventually once you get hubris and ego involved in some of these really big, really rich kings, you're like, damn it, I am one of the gods.
02:30:36.000Put my name on your statue, that's how I want to be remembered.
02:30:40.000Seti I did it, m his son Ramses II, his son Maren Patar, particularly in the New Kingdom.
02:30:46.000I mean, Petrie called Ramses the Great Usurper.
02:30:49.000That's what his name for him, because he was putting his name on everything trying to label himself as one of the kings.
02:30:54.000And I think if you you look at that I can from old from the old kingdom through to the Ptolemaic era, it's the same.
02:31:01.000Like they're they're depicting themselves as one of these gods who are always depicted in the same way, and that's that's like that's part of it from day one, like it feels like.
02:31:09.000So and I think where do you get that picture from?
02:31:12.000It's like that uh the uh what's the the what's the the poem from Percy Shelley?
02:31:19.000Uh Ozimandius, look on my works, ye mighty in despair.
02:31:24.000Like it's literally a poem by Percy Shelley that talks about it.
02:31:26.000He actually gets it from I think Diodora Sic, an account of Diodorus Siculus coming across at one of these statues in the desert that's a thousand tons.
02:31:34.000It's like a weary traveller in a desert of in an unknown land comes along two to vast and trunkless legs of stone over like nearby a shattered visage lies, still like sort of sneer full of sneer and arrogance, and it's it's basically written upon this uh stone of the words my name is Ozzy Mandius, King of Kings, look on my work, ye mighty in despair.
02:31:58.000And there the and the endless sand stretch far away.
02:32:48.000I suspect either that or uh the hands of men.
02:32:51.000I think it was like I think with enough dudes with enough leverage you can probably yeet that thing over and and it'll crack when it falls.
02:32:58.000And I think it's they were definitely there was a long period of them destroying all the gods and all the icon and all the you know the the false idols of the past.
02:33:06.000There's at a place called Tannis, there's a foot, there's a giant foot that I can't I mean, my whole outstretched hand wouldn't fit in the toenail.
02:33:14.000And it's a repurposed block of granite, and Petrie found it, and there's other pieces of this statue.
02:33:19.000So we know it was a s a statue that had it been standing, it's about the same size as the Statue of Liberty without the pedestal.
02:33:28.000Um the foot's about the same size, just give it a a frame of reference.
02:33:32.000And that thing's made from Aswanian granite.
02:33:34.000Now Tannis is in the north, and that's one's and it's it's north of Cairo, like it's up in the delta towards the Mediterranean, and and Cairo's down here.
02:33:43.000So someone at some point took a at least a thousand ton, probably f more like fifteen hundred ton block of stone, because they didn't finish them, they didn't ship them finished.
02:35:12.000This is one of several of statues of this size at Karnak.
02:35:16.000And what's impressive about this, they actually they put this together for one year and then they took it apart because and I got told that it was because they didn't people were freaking out about how big this must have been.
02:35:24.000They didn't kind of it gives a sense of scale, and then people are like, what the fuck?
02:35:59.000It's it's like you can see the chunks of flint in the stone, but they somehow work that surface just with no problem going over flint, which is seven, seven and a half on the most scale.
02:36:09.000The trick with this statue is where that stone came from.
02:37:07.000It's well, it's one of those really amazing mysteries because the actual facts of it are so spectacular that it defies any conventional explanation.
02:37:17.000To the point where it it opens up people to the possibility that maybe we don't know.
02:37:22.000It um almost every anyone listening to this, it's even remotely reasonable that sees that goes, oh okay.
02:37:30.000I think I think this picture's a lot bigger than we thought it was.
02:37:50.000You try to move I mean it's like makes newspaper headlines when they shift a load of like a hundred and fifty tons on a on a truck somewhere.
02:38:01.000I mean we have cranes, we we have the capability, but it's usually by water on giant I don't know if we could how we transport a load like that over anything other than water.
02:38:09.000Imagine the wooden boat and how hard those dudes are rowing.
02:38:48.000They will tell you that, oh yeah, so this this low area in the quarry, that's the harbor where they parked the boat to take the to take the stone.
02:38:55.000I mean, you just it's there is no chance that you could put that thing on a boat that even would it's it's like this this is not in the realms of possibility for a boat to displace enough water to take a load like at that obelisk.
02:39:08.000It would literally just be this giant ka clunk.
02:39:10.000It would just it it just can't happen.
02:39:12.000And what's more, that quarry or that that harbour in the quarry, it's that isn't a harbour.
02:39:37.000It's already been done a hundred percent.
02:39:39.000We know it has because we've got the statues of blocks of that size and and tonnage have been have been successfully transported and shaped.
02:39:45.000However, in that place they call the quarry in the harbour, it is it's all scoop marks, it's the same technology, and it w here's where it gets wild.
02:39:53.000Is that that there's you can see the extraction that's come out.
02:39:56.000It's massive, like it basically like the obelisk, the unfinished obelisk.
02:40:00.000So something like an order of twelve to thirteen hundred tons in a piece got pulled out of there.
02:40:05.000And on in the corner, right up at the end where you see the boxy end of whatever this was was taken out on the wall, there's red ochre painting.
02:40:13.000It's paintings of like emus or flamingos and some other dolphins and other stuff.
02:40:18.000And it it's an identical match for the art style and paintings that you find on pre-dynastic pottery that comes from Nicaragua and before.
02:40:41.000Um It's actually I have a video called um it's it's on my I have a video where we look at all this on my channel.
02:40:48.000But it is it's the exact same artwork that you see on the the vessel.
02:40:51.000So it's to me it's an indication of there was a primitive these people that were there are living there in the thousands of years before the dynastic Egyptian civilization rose were obviously in that quarry and they found this convenient wall to put some artwork on and they painted on it.
02:41:05.000Which tells you that well, this extraction had to happen before that, right?
02:41:08.000It had to have been taken out before that.
02:42:05.000And then for whatever reason they stopped.
02:42:07.000But if if you assume that the uh obelisk would have a square section, which means you know, same width as you know, like this, a square section, it would have it it's mass with the granite there at like two point seven tons per cubic meter is is roughly one thousand two hundred tons.
02:43:04.000I think that's an example, like you do see on a lot of these sites like the Serapium, like the Assyrian at the quarry that something happened that meant tools down.
02:43:53.000So that's another piece near um in the quarry.
02:43:56.000And this is puts the light of the stupid uh pounding stone theory of um of uh of what how they explain this in the mainstream because these scoop marks they tell you are are pounding stones.
02:44:20.000And so you can get in these trenches and and it and the scoop marks are crazy though, because they they extend basically from the top of the wall, like fifteen feet straight down these l these ridges, they go all along the ground under and then up on the roof side.
02:44:33.000So if you're pan you're pounding you would have been doing this, pounding up to pound that out.
02:44:38.000And it also it's a very sharp turn on the inside.
02:44:40.000There's some it's the result of some tool.
02:44:42.000Also, someone's gonna be underneath it when it finally cracks loose.
02:45:23.000Um is what they say uh how it cracked, but we don't know how it's we don't know if it cracked after the fact either.
02:45:29.000It's possible that I mean, like a lot of these places that it was a tools down situation, just something happened to stop, whether it's civil unrest, cataclysm.
02:45:40.000There was a lot of quarrying that happened after this at higher levels.
02:45:44.000Like so this is you've got to imagine when you go to this quarry, it's like they've cut the top off a granite mountain.
02:45:48.000They've taken so much granite out of there.
02:45:50.000Huge granite mountain, so to get down to you know, this sort of high quality granite, which is not surface level granite, you have to go ten, twelve, fifteen meters into granite to get blocks that are even possible to be this size.
02:46:06.000And in fact, even now the you can see the like all of this has changed.
02:46:09.000This is not ha there's no staircase, all of that gravel up to the north of that has all been moved.
02:46:15.000We're still clearing the site out, or they are.
02:46:18.000But when this was first discovered, it was buried in like seven, eight meters of quarry rubble from all of the quarrying that had happened above it and around it, like for thousands of years.
02:46:37.000And then it was uh how would it was It was Flinders Petrie's assistant who actually excavated that site and he had to like split a bunch of big blocks to even get it out of the way.
02:46:47.000Took them forever, but they eventually uncovered it all.
02:47:09.000That's just this is just because that's in the quarry, that's the quarry that's sort of been cleared and made available for tourists, but just tons of quarries.
02:47:16.000Like there's yeah, these are great pictures.
02:47:23.000Yeah, so they had this section of it and they're like, wow, this is something else, but what happened with the pounding stones are really interesting because there were thousands of them uh on the site, these round stones.
02:47:34.000However, the vast majority of them were broken.
02:47:49.000So he stood up on like a you know, fifteen feet up and he's hurling these stones down onto the granite and like bang, bang, you had to do it like ten times and eventually he cracks a chip off on them because they're they're dollarite, they're hard, they are harder stone.
02:48:01.000And look, you will eventually create enough dust, eventually.
02:48:06.000I mean it's it's like the there actually have been studies done, uh Dennis Stocks did a study and it's the volume, it's basically you remove about I think it was two thirds the volume of a golf ball in an hour of pounding.
02:48:25.000And if you can imagine I like to tell people it's like you can only fit like, you know, these these trenches around this col it's not like you can put a thousand dudes in here, they've got to sit in there's like one person in one spot and dudes.
02:48:36.000And so all you have to do is imagine all of that space being filled up with golf balls, add another third for the you know, because it's two thirds a golf ball, and then maybe add another half again to that to account for the negative space between the balls, that's how many hours it would take, which is y I mean, decades of effort.
02:48:54.000Like it's not it's not remotely possible to do it in any reasonable time frame.
02:48:58.000People can't pounding stones is like come on.
02:49:03.000Who's underneath it when they're pounding?
02:49:05.000Like how does it think these balls were.
02:49:08.000So I think the ri they're very difficult to break.
02:49:10.000They've taken away all the broken ones.
02:49:12.000The only ones on site now are these like little nice rounded ones.
02:49:15.000And even then you you can't do it from all a couple you have to kind of let it go and catch it and you would your arms would burn out in no time.
02:49:22.000But I think the reason so many were broken, I actually I think and you can actually see this in the in the harbour area, there are these channels that I think they cut under them.
02:49:31.000You can see the remnants of them where they took the big extraction out.
02:49:34.000And I suspect what they did was they would shove these balls of dolerite in there and it would provide them enough movement or just enough support where they could cu they could cut the rest of the of the whatever scoop out or remove the the other attachment points.
02:49:49.000And then you're also once you get out of that trench, you can now shift this thing ever so slightly to get whatever you would need to get under it to lift it up out of there.
02:49:57.000Because that's the other problem with the obelisk is like it's on an angle, and I mean the trench is gonna be when it's complete, they didn't they had only dug down two two thirds as deep as they needed to go.
02:50:10.000So that trench at its its thickest point would have been like twelve, fifteen feet deep down there and you got to get under it.
02:50:17.000So you still you it's on an angle, you have to lift that thing up fifteen, twenty feet up in the air to get it out of the trench.
02:50:23.000And then somehow move it to get into this rocky crazy environment to move it to get it somewhere to then take it wherever else you're taking it.
02:50:29.000But you'd have to be able to maneuver.
02:50:32.000So I think I honestly think those dollarite balls could have been used as primitive ball bearings that were just that's all they were used for was to support it while you cut it free and then it would a lot of them would have snapped in half under the mass of something like that, which explains why so many of them were broken.
02:50:48.000Because you ain't broken those things by pounding on them.
02:51:03.000What are you doing to lift that obelisk out?
02:51:05.000How many people are involved if it's just manually broken?
02:51:08.000You cannot fit enough people around that obelisk to even come close.
02:51:12.000Like not you're probably not even to get ten percent of the amount of pe like it's so it's such a rock rocky weird there's you can't fit that many people around it today.
02:51:21.000I have no idea how they I mean I don't think they were doing this without the expectation that they could get it done.
02:51:44.000And there's and it's like with logistics, they will show you pictures where the Egyptians are moving something that is a hundred tons or a hundred and fifty tons and say, see.
02:52:12.000And it's it's it's a it's a sled with this statue, and there is like, you know, rows of guys, they've got the you know, the imprint of dudes behind dudes, and they're all pulling on a rope.
02:52:21.000No pulleys, again, they didn't have force multipliers, they were just straight pulling, wooden levers, a wooden sled, they're dragging this statue.
02:52:28.000In the case of this statue, we know about this statue, there's pieces of it left, it was made from alabaster, calcite's not as heavy as granite.
02:52:35.000But it probably weighed the the the estimate of how much it weighed was fifty-seven tons.
02:52:39.000Which is quite a lot, it's respectable, right?
02:52:41.000And you can imagine, but with enough labor and on a sled, this is it.
02:52:45.000This is a fifty-seven-ton statue, there's a guy pouring something on the sand or in front of them, so you can count all these dudes and the shadows of the dudes behind them on these ropes.
02:52:55.000And so there's a figure about it, and there's been papers written about this.
02:52:58.000There's literally, I think um a Japanese team wrote a paper about what would it take to do this.
02:54:39.000And and so basically you can see the capstands, the the twist things these dudes are working on, that they're rotating.
02:54:46.000They would dig these giant holes to anchor these big logs in the ground to then use pulleys and force multipliers with dudes on giant rails, and then they would have these huge big iron rails that they would put on the ground and carry back and forth, and the whole thing was was moving on these bronze spheres, these big giant bowling ball-sized spheres of bronze.
02:55:06.000And on a good day they'd move this thing a hundred and fifty meters.
02:56:51.000I am super grateful that it's worked out.
02:56:53.000And in fact, I I want to I mean obviously thank you for the hospitality and the invite.
02:56:56.000And I genuinely also think dude, I I've come full circle with this a little bit.
02:57:01.000Like I what got me into it in the first place, genu I mean, I was always interested, but it wasn't until Graham's first who I've gotten to know very well over the years.
02:57:41.000And and the fact that you are interested in this topic, I think is such a boon to everyone else out there that you know you get to spread the word and and it's it's just such a benefit to the whole the whole space.
02:57:53.000Well, I'm so happy that guys like you took that fucking baton and ran with it.
02:58:13.000I fell down this pyramid-shaped hole and I was doing real I mean I had a I had quite a career before this in the tech world, but I mean I'd go to conferences and tech events, and the second that we're out in the break room, I'm talking about the younger drives and pyramids and massive statues and all this shit, Graham Hancock, and they're like, this is really interesting.
02:58:54.000Especially if some more information comes out about the Labyrinth, and hopefully more people you know are also picking up the baton and more people get involved.