In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and I talk about the Kennedy administration, health care reform, and corruption in the government, and why we should all be mad about it. Joe is a former drug rep and drug company executive who now works in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the FDA, the CDC, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). He's been in the business for a long time, and has been a part of the Maha Maa movement, which is dedicated to fixing America's broken health care system. We talk about how important it is to take your hands in the fate of these broken systems, and how we should be fighting for change.
00:00:28.000This is to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in in terms of like politics, in terms of like who's in control.
00:00:38.000Like having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him like really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on.
00:01:01.000And for anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our previous podcast, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly, and I did that for three years.
00:01:12.000And then I was a med device rep. And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, I uh pharmacogenetic labs.
00:01:19.000I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework within the system.
00:01:26.000And I was I've been blowing the you and I did I think the first one four years ago, where I was trying to blow the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion, and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom.
00:01:39.000Every alphabet organization, whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, uh the NIH, the GPS.
00:02:22.000The problem is as as you like systematically walk through these systems in the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again.
00:02:31.000And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work, getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease.
00:02:42.000Don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems.
00:02:46.000And that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the Maha movement, testifying in front of the Senate, and then I've testified at the state level.
00:02:54.000And Joe, the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes, getting line of sight into the government side, because I didn't I was on the outside in the periphery, somewhat aware of the government stuff, but now having got behind the curtain, dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized.
00:03:40.000It's like you're trying to move the Titanic.
00:03:43.000There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's whack-a-mole.
00:03:51.000And every day a new fire pops up, and every day you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, deny, depose, and prevent any sort of change.
00:04:06.000There's literally there is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which isn't President Trump and Secretary Tinney, it's the American people's voice.
00:04:42.000I believe that the Maha moms and this healthcare movement and the frustration with the broken health care system was a deciding factor in Trump winning this election.
00:04:53.000And my fear is if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats.
00:04:59.000Historically, both sides have been corrupted.
00:05:03.000Uh and both sides have made catastrophic mistakes.
00:05:07.000Uh and if we walk through like each one of these organizations, like back to the even the FDA.
00:05:13.000Okay, so most recently, I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears everywhere.
00:05:17.000Or you tell me where the best place to start is because I want to there's so much ground to cover.
00:05:22.000Okay, so uh Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January.
00:05:28.000And he said, I want you to come with an open mind, open heart, they're gonna do the same.
00:05:32.000And I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced, and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum.
00:05:53.000And so I went to this meeting, flew to DC, sat down with all these folks, they're taking notes, they all seemed really friendly.
00:06:00.000There was probably eight or nine people in the room, and I left there.
00:06:03.000And a day later, and I and everyone's like, How do you think it went?
00:07:03.000Because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things.
00:08:01.000Uh XYZ, just go down the list of all the narratives that they're spinning to the FDA.
00:08:06.000And when the FDA is only hearing one side of the story, and 60% of their funding comes from industry, what you will see is time and time again, they side with industry.
00:08:17.000So the FDA defaulted right before to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control.
00:08:24.000They expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize.
00:08:35.000The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient.
00:08:46.000They're treating patients with the dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary.
00:08:54.000They are overdosing people, under like literally, they're not taking the time to do the consult To educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.
00:09:02.000There is zero doubt that GLP ones are overutilized in America.
00:09:06.000There's zero doubt that they should not be a frontline defense.
00:09:08.000There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors.
00:09:12.000But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages.
00:09:16.000So why would you start a patient on a higher dosage?
00:09:19.000Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss?
00:10:15.000IgF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to microdose a GLP one at a much lower dosage where you don't get the muscle wasting.
00:10:25.000And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20% body fat loss and it are 20% uh loss cut relative to the GLP ones, but all of its body fat.
00:11:13.000Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for his egregious actions, destroying records, hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room.
00:11:24.000The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers.
00:11:27.000Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years.
00:11:36.000And so my message to the FDA was one, you're wrong.
00:11:40.000You've inspected me three times in 18 months.
00:11:44.000Two, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product.
00:11:48.000They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs.
00:11:52.000You guys look at them less often than you do compounders, and they don't make dosages unique to patients.
00:11:58.000So we're titrating dosages down, allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects.
00:12:28.000And what you'll see time and time again is if industry's getting beat, if big pharma's getting beat, they just change the rules to the game.
00:12:38.000And so where this is going, though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe.
00:12:43.000So I asked the FDA, what made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list?
00:12:50.000Because it was an emergency backlogs list.
00:12:52.000So the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders we can't get these drugs, we need you to compound these drugs.
00:13:14.000Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it because they don't make patient specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available.
00:13:22.000But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need.
00:13:39.000Less than 6% of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what?
00:13:46.000They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what?
00:13:50.000All of these programs get billed a higher reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate.
00:13:55.000Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product.
00:14:00.000They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our healthcare institutions time and time again.
00:14:10.000And it's going to get 10 times worse as I lay this out for you.
00:14:31.000One of the clinicians from the FDA, uh, Kennedy, who's never practiced medicine, said there's no medical need for peptides in this meeting.
00:14:40.000And he's like, but today we're going to talk mainly about GLP ones.
00:15:01.000In Eli Lilly owns the state of Indiana.
00:15:04.000And they absolutely own the state or the city of Indianapolis.
00:15:08.000And this guy did his first stint uh in politics under a Congressmoman, Congressman, sorry, in the state of Indiana in Indianapolis.
00:15:19.000And this Congressman has released multiple multiple tweets and messages and attends Eli Lilly factory openings and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly.
00:15:29.000And this is just one example of the issues with that system.
00:15:33.000It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP ones are fucking peptides.
00:15:54.000We don't we aren't compounding a drug.
00:15:57.000We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle, we don't get enough sun, we have too much screen time, we're inactive, and all of that shit's tanking in our bodies.
00:16:38.000It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young, your cells are young, your skin's elastic, heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation, right?
00:16:50.000It's safe, it's benign, it's found in nature.
00:17:52.000Eli Lilly, CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.
00:18:01.000But what that really means is we're not gonna get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for, right?
00:18:09.000Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before.
00:18:15.000The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the back end from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public.
00:18:25.000Then when they negotiate a deal with Medicare Medicaid Tri-Care, they tell the government, we're giving you 30% off.
00:18:31.000You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created because you set the market.
00:18:37.000And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes.
00:18:42.000Eli Lilly's price of production on insulin became one-tenth of what it used to be, and they charge 10 times the dollar amount of the retail price of insulin.
00:18:54.000And I've on also, Jamie, on any of this stuff on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience uh links again because I'm referencing so many things that people are gonna say, no way.
00:19:06.000So Lily literally go to Ways2Well.com and there's JRE links.
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00:22:27.000They want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic, and that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies.
00:22:42.000Because the third part of the equation is you cannot compound a biologic.
00:22:47.000The FDA's stance is it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic.
00:22:53.000So now you give a monopoly to big pharma, you get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs.
00:23:04.000If you want to reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition.
00:23:12.000The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market.
00:23:21.000People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1,300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted.
00:23:28.000They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision.
00:23:35.000There's a two billion dollar lawsuit against these scumbags right now.
00:23:38.000And I'm sorry, I've I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be like politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it.
00:23:48.000And I go back to if RFK and and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened.
00:23:54.000So I text the texted the secretary and his team, and I said, I have to ring the bell on something, and I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made, and the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about.
00:24:09.000This is the problem with having 70,000 employees.
00:24:12.000They're a legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years, that they're gonna do what you let them do.
00:24:21.000And their offense is you run the big pharma offense.
00:24:25.000We're gonna we're gonna obstruct compounders, we're gonna prevent telemedicine, we're gonna push people back to sick care, we're gonna launch drugs into the marketplace.
00:24:34.000And let's look at the history of safety, Joe.
00:24:36.000If we look at again, I'm I'm gonna keep hammering on Lily.
00:24:39.000Lily in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a at a federal judge is suing Mochi for using GLP ones for weight loss, and their claim is you are violating our patent, which you're not, because it's patient unique.
00:24:54.000You are uh, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body, and you didn't create the peptide, the NIH did, our taxpayer dollars, because we fund the NIH.
00:25:04.000Out of the last there's so much, but uh out of the last two hundred and ten blockbuster drugs, between two thousand ten and I think two thousand sixteen, two hundred and ten blockbuster drugs.
00:25:15.000How many of those do you think big pharma started at big pharma versus started at the NIH?
00:25:56.000They're they're naturally occurring in nature.
00:25:59.000They're prescribed under the supervision of a board-certified clinician.
00:26:02.000They're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right?
00:26:08.000That you've inspected me three times in 18 months.
00:26:11.000All of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lily and all of the big pharma pharmaceutical cartels.
00:26:21.000We all buy the ingredients from the same places.
00:26:24.000The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people.
00:26:39.000Ask Big Pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny of the FDA.
00:26:46.000They don't want you in their factories.
00:26:47.000They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash.
00:27:02.000Kim Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers, and this is important too.
00:27:11.000If you have a clinician and you go to your doctor, and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand you, the patient get to decide where that prescription goes.
00:27:37.000And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say we're not gonna prescribe compounded medicines on GLP ones, you've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous.
00:27:52.000Where it in this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine.
00:28:01.000So they're not just attacking the compounding process, they're also trying to obstruct via the FDA, and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice, and Lily is challenging that telemedicine is legal.
00:28:19.000Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost effective care is telemedicine.
00:28:29.000And Lily thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lily launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in.
00:28:39.000But in the meantime, they're claiming that that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine.
00:29:11.000The FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would ineffectively, in effect, ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded.
00:29:24.000Now remember, they already put I think over a dozen peptides on a bulk's list a year ago.
00:29:52.000They're sought they're swapping spit, they're lobbying together, they're going to dinners together, they're spending time together, and the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass.
00:30:01.000I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS, and their phone kept ringing.
00:30:07.000I swear to God, kept ringing, and they looked at their phone and they go, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.
00:30:15.000And all of this was happening in the dark.
00:30:18.000And so what we can do is what we're doing.
00:30:20.000This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA.
00:30:28.000And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing whack-a-mole, you know, because it's you got to think, it's not just the FDA, it's the CDC, it's the NIH, 80,000 employees.
00:30:40.000I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration.
00:30:43.000You got you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians.
00:30:47.000You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted.
00:30:53.000And I'm not there to say all those people are bad.
00:30:55.000There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations.
00:31:00.000But there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s, where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules.
00:31:10.000And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs.
00:31:14.000And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders, and you're not reading the emails from compounders, right?
00:31:22.000And so when I told the FDA what made you decide this backlog was over, they said, well, industry told us they could meet the need.
00:31:30.000And I said, okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need?
00:31:36.000Less than 6% of prescriptions were available.
00:32:09.000It's a court document that sets precedent.
00:32:11.000And that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity, while at the same time you have big pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides is biologics that we were already making for the last decade.
00:32:26.000Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides.
00:32:35.000And that's what Lily's Lily in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, Where are they?
00:32:45.000And Lily said, right here in this Reddit forum.
00:33:12.000One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization, is that we are trying to protect people from harm.
00:33:18.000They're fucking never, no one is trying to protect you.
00:33:22.000Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it's about geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is.
00:34:31.000And that's why the side effect profile is higher.
00:34:33.000And that's why peptides don't have any of these things.
00:34:36.000Again, we're synthesizing short chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in.
00:34:42.000And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization of peptides.
00:34:56.000And big pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch and they're scrambling to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector.
00:35:05.000And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and the administration and pretend like they're going to play the game, but they're not going to play the game.
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00:37:28.000You've got some legacy employee at the FDA that's going to try and make this statement in a court document that's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy.
00:37:51.000He said again, his his second Secretary Kennedy's team said, they're gonna approach this with an open mind and an open heart, and they're gonna have there it's gonna be a different tone than the last meeting.
00:38:03.000And I'm gonna try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call.
00:38:19.000And my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it, and that call did not go well.
00:38:26.000It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying we're gonna we're gonna stay the course, we're not opening peptides up to the American people.
00:38:34.000And so I had to text his team and go, hey, I the call didn't go well.
00:38:38.000And then they're they're like R Intel's telling us the same thing.
00:38:42.000And so he stepped in and said, This is a mandate.
00:38:45.000We are not going to dictate to the American people that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides.
00:38:54.000You need to figure this out, and we need to open accessibility, and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere.
00:39:07.000We're gonna have another opioid crisis.
00:39:11.000Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross-contamination.
00:39:27.000I've had people buy Ipamoralin of online, and you know that that's a peptide that when you do it, it has a very strong reaction, like you feel it in your body.
00:39:36.000Like immediately after there's nothing.
00:39:50.000He's literally involved in Rwanda having like peace talks with with uh with enemies that have been enemies for 20, 30 years, trying to bring them to the table.
00:40:04.000All the shit that's going on with Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the shit that's going on with Ukraine and Russia.
00:40:11.000Do you think he even understands peptides?
00:40:28.000And they fund 60% of the FDA and the history of the FDA is that it I've I've said over and over again it's captured, but the truth is all of these organizations were born in captivity.
00:40:45.000Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer.
00:40:48.000Well they're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning.
00:40:51.000I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's gotta go, all these people.
00:40:55.000But the truth is, last week they announced the approval ratings, and RFK is up seven points in the approval rate, the highest rating of any elected official.
00:41:04.000The American people are not turning on RFK.
00:41:06.000Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle.
00:43:16.000So you do know that the CDC, this is a this is these are there's so many fucking crazy stories.
00:43:22.000The CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread.
00:43:27.000Okay, and the first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria.
00:43:39.000And they spread a array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity and did all these things.
00:43:50.000And where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit.
00:43:54.000Do you know how this where the CDC's headquarters is?
00:43:57.000Their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted to them by Coca-Cola.
00:44:02.000The CDC to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by Coca-Cola.
00:44:09.000And in a FOIA request, there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC, I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca-Cola and saying they're gonna do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar.
00:44:33.000What the EPA and its relationships with Monsanto, the EPA in a FOIA request, one of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents, literally sent an email saying if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal.
00:45:03.000Every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry.
00:45:10.000And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people, there's a big podcast that dropped that if anyone it it's it gets into antidepressants.
00:45:20.000And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides because you're gonna have academia go, well, the difference is drugs are investigated and peptides aren't, and there's no placebo controlled double blind studies.
00:45:32.000One, there are, there's a lot, and we can systematically break that down too.
00:45:36.000They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process because that cost two billion dollars.
00:45:40.000Well, who established two billion dollars to bring a drug to market?
00:45:49.000Big pharma told the FDA, let's build this model, right?
00:45:54.000So then they capture the molecule at the NIH level, bring it to phase two and three trials, bring it into human trials.
00:46:02.000The cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be.
00:46:05.000And then it's a pay-to-play system, and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process.
00:47:13.000Out of twelve blockbuster drugs in the last, I think 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, ten of them have black box warnings.
00:47:22.000Black box the most the harshest warning you can get.
00:47:26.000The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multifaceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking, and how do all these impact each other?
00:47:46.000Average Americans on four or more prescription drugs.
00:47:48.000All right, so I want to lay out for the antidepressant because this one's crazy.
00:47:53.000Do you do you how do you how do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders?
00:48:58.000Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain.
00:49:12.000The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer, a doctor who worked for Pfizer, developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe An antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.
00:49:35.000They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set the the everything.
00:49:39.000But there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is just a questionnaire.
00:50:41.000We moved to an ultra-processed food diet.
00:50:43.000There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect.
00:50:55.000We're all gonna go through highs and lows, we're all gonna have tough times.
00:50:58.000But when we're systematically chronically inflamed and poisoning our bodies through our food systems, you're exhausted and depressed.
00:51:05.000And it leads to all these I don't have I don't have cell in here.
00:51:08.000I'm trying to see what you get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking fruit loops.
00:55:49.000When I when I was a Lily rep and they're talking about Prozac, and we're gonna cure depression, and depressions caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain.
00:55:59.000We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects.
00:56:05.000In their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52-point depression scale, SSRIs score two points higher than placebo.
00:57:00.000Even even there's there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts, because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seeing in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs.
00:57:38.000No one in the news wants to talk about it.
00:57:40.000You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's like some statistical thing that you can look at and say, wow, this is kind of crazy that this one particular medication is involved in almost every mass shooting.
00:57:52.000And when you say mass shootings, like here's the thing that gets thrown around about when we talk about mass shootings.
00:57:58.000Mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs.
00:58:05.000You have gang, like what happens in Chicago every weekend.
00:58:10.000Like last weekend in Chicago, 54 people got shot.
00:58:13.000People say, Trump is doing a terrible thing, bringing the National Guard...
00:58:17.000Ask the people of Chicago if that's terrible.
00:58:20.000If if you want this to continue, like, do you have a better solution?
00:58:24.000If you have a better solution, I I'm not a fa in favor of bringing the National Guard into every fucking city and militarizing America.
00:58:45.000Um so this is when but when you're talking about school shootings, that's a different thing.
00:58:52.000So school shootings get you you you find almost all mentally ill people.
00:58:57.000And whatever Phil we don't, you know, you don't have to politicize it, but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication.
00:59:07.000I mean, every single one of them, all the way back to Columbine.
00:59:49.000If there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news, like let's say cannabis.
00:59:56.000Let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting.
01:00:01.000Do you not think that that would be brought up like fucking full court press on the front page of the New York Post and the New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC, they would start talking about it.
01:00:11.000If it was some some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone.
01:00:15.000It was like inject testosterone therapy.
01:00:17.000So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in a hundred percent of school shooters.
01:01:06.000And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics.
01:01:14.000So like testifying here at the state level on these Maha bills.
01:01:18.000Three bills got passed in the state of Texas, Joe.
01:01:20.000I don't know if you've been following all that.
01:01:22.000Um, but these bills, I mean, you would think you would think we were asking to like I don't even know.
01:01:30.000Like the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy.
01:01:36.000So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that we were gonna get Maha bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive, and a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry.
01:01:51.000Uh and we're in industry forward state, and we always want to be an industry for state.
01:01:55.000But we can make money without killing people.
01:02:13.000I think you know, socialism is it's contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of, right?
01:02:18.000We can I think we'd all agree on that.
01:02:20.000However, when you have a system that's set up where it has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that.
01:02:27.000You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-opt the fucking law, co-opt the rules, co-opt the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible.
01:02:39.000That's big pharma's not really worried that compounders are gonna take away their profits, they're going to hurt their marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right?
01:02:50.000If if you if there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for twelve years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price?
01:03:00.000How much can they skyrocket that stock price?
01:03:08.000I'm I'm not kidding, because there's there's gonna come a point in time where people realize like there's gotta be a way to abandon this ridiculous mindset that our country is been entrapped by.
01:03:56.000If you're if you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you, or people that support veterans or organize against you, and not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing.
01:04:20.000So for addiction, the success rate is with one experience, it's eighty-three percent successful.
01:04:29.000These people never do heroin again, they never take opiates again, they stop drinking, they stop smoking cigarettes, whatever the fuck it is.
01:04:36.000With two experiences, it's in the nineties.
01:05:27.000It's I I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally ill or who has nothing to lose.
01:05:38.000Why would you stop them from using peptides?
01:05:41.000Why would you stop them from using stem cells?
01:05:43.000Why would you stop them from using psychedelics?
01:05:45.000I I asked um Of course, but that's just t I mean, let's not wait until they're almost dead.
01:05:55.000And in the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression, astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're gonna see in an SSRI or antidepressants.
01:06:06.000Not only that, it doesn't kill you at all.
01:06:14.000You know, LD50 for people who don't know.
01:06:16.000The leash of lethal dose uh 50% of the people that test.
01:06:20.000So, you know, like if you give strychnine to 100 people, pretty much a hundred people are gonna die.
01:06:25.000And that's where I'm excited because I I do know, and and then Secretary Kennedy did say, please resonate for me that I believe in Americans' right to choose and control their health care journey.
01:06:36.000And I am a proponent of peptides, stem cells, hyperbaric.
01:06:40.000Yeah, uh, and this is why I see all these fucking political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous.
01:06:45.000This is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking they're some of them I think thinking they're being a good person.
01:06:51.000Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news, and they are wrong, they're lost, and they think that they're doing the right thing while also playing ball.
01:07:06.000Did you see uh Huberman on Bill Maher?
01:07:09.000Yeah, did you see where Bill Maher asked him, I think about 20% of what most he this is Bill Maher saying he thinks about most Americans think 90% of what we're told in healthcare is right.
01:07:24.000And then he talked about his buddy who's a high professor at Stanford, said at least at minimal sixty percent of what we've been taught is wrong.
01:07:34.000And but the problem is th also textbooks don't get updated.
01:07:37.000They don't get updated to well, there's always new studies that come out.
01:07:41.000There's always new information that comes out.
01:07:42.000If you're a textbook three years ago, like that thing is probably not good anymore when it comes in in certain disciplines.
01:07:49.000Well, and look at all the botched studies.
01:07:51.000Like you and I've covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunked.
01:07:55.000Then you had the women's health initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products that cause a cascade effect of other health issues.
01:08:43.000Doctors are doing their best to navigate a system, they're being taught in school systems that were built in this ecosystem, and they look at it and go, there's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine.
01:09:02.000And I'm like, if these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our healthcare system, it's terrifying.
01:09:31.000He tweeted after we testified uh an image of uh like a 1950s Batman characters and was like, this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify.
01:09:40.000And I saw that and I'm like all the jokes the Joker and the Penguin and all this, and I'm like He tweeted that?
01:09:46.000Yeah, and I was thinking you're the one that looks like the Penguin when he's selling about not taking your advice from you.
01:09:52.000So I when I exposed him on the show when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health, that was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with.
01:10:03.000Because people got a chance to see, oh, these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication.
01:10:08.000People that eat junk food that don't work out, that are overweight, and uh you know, generally unhealthy.
01:10:19.000Uh when I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about.
01:10:22.000When I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra processed foods and cokes and soft drinks from food stamps.
01:10:31.000Because a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra-processed foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty stricken communities.
01:10:42.000We're just trying to reallocate the resources and and change school lunches and and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training, and mandate that in elementary school through junior high, you get nutritional training.
01:11:00.000While I'm in the middle of trying to explain to Congressmen and Congresswomen how detrimental a soft drink is, because they don't they don't know.
01:11:09.000There I I'm trying to just say, look, the difference between a s very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream.
01:11:20.000Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke?
01:11:25.000And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the Congresswomen holds her Coke up in the microphone, for effect.
01:13:57.000Have more fucking energy than the other ones.
01:13:59.000And they're more active and they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism.
01:14:04.000And those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interests them because they have more energy.
01:14:11.000And because they can they can just get they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them.
01:14:17.000Which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness of the thing that you actually enjoy.
01:14:23.000If you have a bunch of things you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any you this you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing, so you're gonna be less effective at it.
01:14:35.000Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things and I could just just drag I could just ignore every I'll throw my clothes on the ground.
01:18:06.000Well, we had to figure out how to harness it.
01:18:08.000Just like we have to figure out how to harness masculinity.
01:18:10.000I think we're gonna you brought up lead, and I've been I wanted to get into the one, the state of Texas stuff, but which parallels in and runs into the glyphosate shit.
01:18:19.000If you want to talk about that, do you want to I would love to talk about it?
01:18:22.000Because one of the things is happening.
01:18:23.000Because I know that they're they've got an alternative to glyphosate that's even worse.
01:18:28.000And so one of the things that's happening is at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food.
01:18:44.000This is another fuckery moment as part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress.
01:18:50.000They are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atrazine.
01:19:01.000And well, we know how well that worked for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it.
01:19:06.000And we do know uh let's let's point this out that the company Monsanto that manufactures glyphosate is the same company that created Agent Orange, is the same company that created DDT, is the same company that with Bayer tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims, is the same company that pushed product in the third world nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them.
01:19:48.000And what's crazy is in Europe, they're in in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one-fourth of what they're allowing in the United States.
01:20:00.000And so the farmers and the lobbyist groups here in the state of Texas.
01:20:04.000When we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry.
01:20:10.000Because candidly, it was the land of misfit toys.
01:20:15.000It's literally me, and I don't mean that derogatory, but it's like it's just a bunch of average Joes testifying against lobbyists.
01:20:23.000And so it was me, an 18-year-old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate, my buddy Jason Carp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr. Hyman in the initial uh testimonies.
01:21:15.000I think I texted you about it, and then you talked about it on the podcast.
01:21:18.000The American Heart Association came to testify against us because they didn't want coke and twinkies and soft drinks and ultra processed foods removed from school lunches, snap programs.
01:21:33.000Well, listen, thank God they're around to set everybody on the right path.
01:21:37.000Thank God the American Heart Association is there to stand up for Twinkies and Coca-Cola.
01:21:44.000I mean, if I could just have a day where I didn't think about my health at all, I would love a nice glass of Coca-Cola with a few twinkies.
01:22:12.000And then you add it to a non-robust body.
01:22:15.000So you add it to a body that's been sedentary, been eating this stuff forever, so you have this constant cascading effect of inflammation, your fat, your your back hurts, your head or you got brain fog.
01:22:28.000All day long you're dealing with this, and that's your default.
01:22:32.000So what what happens to me for a very brief amount of time, where if I drink a milkshake, I'm like, oh, I feel like shit.
01:22:43.000My dad is in that system where he literally just I love him, but he believes in all this bullshit that he's told he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he was younger.
01:22:57.000He'd be on four or five meds and they go, Oh, everything's good, everything checked out good.
01:23:01.000And he'd come back and go, Yeah, doctor said everything's good.
01:24:25.000Our brains are it depends entirely on the interactions that you've had the day, how much taxes you owe, that you don't think you're gonna be able to pay, your credit card statements, you're fucking blah-buh, your wife hates you.
01:24:38.000You think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal you guys got together.
01:24:43.000You're all fucking stressed out all the time.
01:24:47.000People in those these conditions are going to make mistakes.
01:24:50.000You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct, and you're gonna argue for something that was wrong.
01:24:58.000And this is we found this a lot during the COVID days.
01:25:00.000It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit, like, oh, you kind of had a point.
01:25:07.000There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong, never admitted that this whole thing was like they get caught up in a psyop.
01:25:36.000And one of the people you referred us, who's like a megastar.
01:25:40.000Uh I didn't get his permission to talk about hits, but I saw I won't say his name, but he he literally sent me a long email saying thank you.
01:27:28.000No like maybe maybe a few people thought that like some of the ice raids, the way they're doing it, where they're showing up at Home Depot and just getting hardworking landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico.
01:27:39.000Ed Calderon, who's uh an expert in the cartels who was on the other day, he was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two and they've been here for 18 years.
01:27:49.000So now they're 20 and they don't speak Spanish.
01:28:03.000I certainly didn't think that they were going to do that.
01:28:05.000If they said this is what we're gonna do, you know, all those kids that were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America and have American friends and American jobs.
01:28:13.000We're gonna send them to Mexico where they don't even speak the language.
01:29:02.000One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China.
01:29:09.000And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from China.
01:29:21.000Glyphosate, we have banned, I don't remember the name of the Chinese company, but several states have a ban have banned this major Chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on our food.
01:29:49.000So if you have a concern about national security, maybe we should stop letting Monsanto fucking systematically spray our food with a bunch of Chinese chemicals.
01:30:01.000Well, not only that, when ninety-four percent of Americans show glyphosate in their blood, maybe we've got a little bit of an issue.
01:30:08.000Well, let's also this is like take the Stephen Colbert approach.
01:30:11.000It's such a small number, Such a little amount.
01:30:22.000Well, even that, there is a solution, and I don't have all the answers, but we need to re raise the questions.
01:30:27.000We gotta be able to have the discussions.
01:30:29.000Well, there's whether we're talking about the question is we have to figure out whether it's possible to do regenerative agriculture through the entire country.
01:30:36.000Do you know that Putin is trying to do that with Russia?
01:30:40.000Putin is banning uh use of industrial chemicals and agriculture and trying to move this whole country to regenerative farming.
01:30:49.000Well, so I learned from talking to this farmer.
01:30:53.000Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great.
01:30:56.000But for his country in that regard, like when you're a dictator, one of the things that's gotta be great is you have the ability to go, oh, these people are fucking criminals.
01:31:05.000Oh, they're fucking over the health of all my people.
01:31:07.000They're making it for their own profit.
01:31:09.000They're making everyone else unhealthy, and then they're gaslighting everybody, and then they're they're in bed with all these fucking Congress people who they pay off because they they fund their re-election campaigns and they fund their super packs.
01:32:47.000This is a lobbyist for big chemical who testified here in Texas to kill the bill.
01:32:52.000And what he's saying, foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides from the truth is industry is terrified that what will happen is American mothers will see those labels and realizing they're poisoning their children.
01:33:09.000You're using manure for organic foods.
01:33:11.000It has to be solely manure, and that is the agent that that creates dangerous in organic foods.
01:33:18.000A bag of lace potato chips has a 50% profit margin.
01:33:21.000I I heard Mr. Busey earlier say something in nature of I don't want the price of eggs to go up.
01:33:29.000There are more accounts of people dying from eating organic foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides from the viewers.
01:35:16.000It isn't a food ingredient, so it was never gonna make it through on the bill.
01:35:20.000It was literally a smoke screen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool.
01:35:26.000But it also allowed us to see who's against it and what politicians are gonna support big chemical.
01:35:33.000And these motherfuckers came out in the droves, and one of the main guys from frickin' uh a representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study.
01:35:44.000He did he said this shouldn't be a bill, this should just be a long-term study.
01:35:48.000And then industry came in and said we should kill the bill at the state level and push it back to the feds.
01:35:53.000We agree with you there needs to be reform, but let's push it back to the feds.
01:35:57.000And so, but what people don't understand is we got the bills done.
01:36:01.000We got three of these monumental bills done.
01:36:03.000One of them require labels that disclose any banned substances in the state of Texas now have to be put on the front of a label.
01:36:14.000Any of the food dyes, any of the additives, uh it what's not on there are big chemical because big chemical wasn't a food ingredient.
01:36:21.000And the lobby for big chemical is so powerful.
01:36:24.000And that's where I was going with this.
01:36:26.000They, I mean, it is crazy the lobby that Monsanto and these companies have, and they're gonna do that at the federal level.
01:36:34.000And they're gonna try and get this exemption uh around all pesticides.
01:36:38.000And my rebuttal to that, and I said this on a call, is if I'm going to a bar and I'm not gonna fuck someone, there's no reason to carry a condom.
01:36:47.000So if you're not fucking me, why do you need the condom?
01:36:50.000If you're not fucking the American people, why do you need a condom?
01:36:53.000You're giving them a condom, but they're telling us they're not gonna fuck us.
01:36:58.000Yeah, it's why do you need this exemption?
01:37:00.000If your product's not causing cancer, why do you need an exemption?
01:37:06.000If you're if your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption?
01:37:12.000It's yet another smoke screen from industry to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause.
01:38:27.000Didn't I tell you that there was in they call them the Monsanto papers or whatever, and in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between uh the head of the EPA and Monsanto, where he this individual says, if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal.
01:38:43.000Yeah, I say that okay, I can't really do it.
01:38:45.000Then there's the whole Coca-Cola aspect of it too.
01:38:47.000Uh the point is in LA no one's growing anything.
01:39:06.000Or even what you talked about a bunch is hunting.
01:39:08.000Like so many people are out of touch with the reality of what it takes to create food.
01:39:12.000No, I'm just saying that even where their food comes from.
01:39:15.000Well, where their food comes from for sure.
01:39:17.000So the problem, what I was getting at is that I think we have set ourselves up where our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive.
01:39:35.000If you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food, all right, so they need to get some somebody else, they've they've you know pushed off to someone else the responsibility of acquiring food.
01:39:47.000All they have to do is give them currency to get that food.
01:39:50.000That is a new thing with human beings.
01:39:59.000The solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with anything.
01:40:05.000Stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse, have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles and then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've you've got thousand acres of corn.
01:40:28.000And all the animals and all the plants are supposed to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem, and for profit, you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn, and then you subsidize the farmers so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything, everything has including fucking salad dressing.
01:40:53.000You know, and then you have canola oil, which is really just rapeseed oil, and it's a disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're pretending is health heart healthy.
01:41:04.000And like this is this is the system that we're in right now.
01:41:07.000And most people want he, you know, there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy.
01:41:35.000Processed food diets are just there's no one that can say they're good for you, they're bad for you.
01:41:40.000Here's the question Do we have enough stake in this?
01:41:44.000Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally?
01:41:54.000Because right now we have ag gag laws where if someone, like I say, if you work at some slaughterhouse or someplace, you're not allowed to film the atrocities.
01:42:06.000So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuffed next to each other and shitting through grates, and then that you ever seen I've seen that.
01:42:25.000If they're abusing the animals, like there's videos of guys that are working in slaughterhouse, like beating cows over the head and kicking them when they're down and slicing their throats, letting them squirm around, those kind of videos, you'll go to jail for filming them.
01:43:00.000Well, you're gonna hire people that snuck into the country because you don't have to have documents on them, you don't have to pay them any kind of health care.
01:43:09.000You don't have to give them any kind of benefits.
01:43:10.000You don't have to give them jack shit.
01:43:12.000So you benefit from keeping that fucking border wide open.
01:43:16.000And these people that have publicly talked about this, we need the labor in this country because they're doing jobs that Americans don't want to do.
01:43:25.000Well, you should really ask yourself, do we need those jobs?
01:43:28.000And do we need to be doing It the way that we're doing it where those jobs are a necessity in 2025.
01:44:28.000This is one of the reasons why you're on this.
01:44:30.000You're a really good person, like a genuinely good person.
01:44:33.000And I've seen you interact with fucking dozens of people that are my very good friends.
01:44:38.000I've seen you uh I've talked to people that I that I knew, but that you maybe didn't know that I knew them independently, and they've told me they've had amazing experiences with you.
01:45:07.000You have an obligation to your stakeholder.
01:45:08.000So even if you're a good person, which I think most of those people are probably good people that have been co-opted, and then there's this diffusion of responsibility because you're a part of a gigantic corporation.
01:45:51.000And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies, there's other telemedicine companies, there's other telemedicine apps, there's other AI driven, and you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing, and I disagree with it.
01:46:04.000And I if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people.
01:46:08.000If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down five hundred fucking people that believed in me, that took a leap of faith, that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care.
01:46:20.000What I have seen when people when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago now, the first time, we had this boom.
01:46:28.000We had only managed like 7,000 patients.
01:46:31.000I go on here and 20,000 people try to register in like a day.
01:46:37.000And people are like, You guys suck, and why can't you be in my state?
01:46:41.000And I'm like, because to get into your state is a lot more complicated.
01:46:44.000The the way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no training in this disease state.
01:46:51.000And that to me is no different than big pharma.
01:46:54.000If we're going to slippery slow push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine?
01:47:01.000That's not predictive, preventative and personalized.
01:47:04.000And the vision of this company was to be predictive, preventative, and personalized.
01:47:08.000And I've had people try and buy us out, and I've had people offer to buy us out, and I could take a payday, but I look at that and I go, We're barely scratching the surface, and the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is.
01:48:09.000They're used to eating mushrooms that way.
01:48:10.000When they would go on berserker raids.
01:48:12.000Um, but uh, you know, I just that's all I have to take now.
01:48:15.000And uh I I'm gonna get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at.
01:48:20.000Um I think I'm gonna add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin, and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that uh really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age-related macular degeneration.
01:48:34.000I think that and the red light therapy has worked.
01:48:36.000I I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my phone.
01:49:08.000Yeah, it was getting significantly worse, like uh every six to eight months I would notice a a decline, like fuck, man, I can't see shit anymore.
01:49:17.000And then I started wearing reading glasses.
01:49:20.000So it's not just stopped in its tracks, but my eyesight has gotten better.
01:49:25.000Which is nobody thinks that's possible.
01:49:27.000Ask most ophthalmologists, like what you're gonna take vitamins and you're gonna like stare at the end of the day.
01:49:32.000Well, it makes sense because r all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP and and eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP, and as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are gonna go and begin to lose their functionality.
01:49:47.000And so if we can refuel ATP and maximize AP ATP, then we can optimize your chances at these degenerative things not occurring.
01:49:56.000And that's my whole point of these building blocks.
01:49:58.000Peptides, stem cells, amnion, uh purified uh like all of it.
01:50:04.000All of all of it, PRP, you name it, all of these things are tools in the tool belt that aren't readily available or even talked about in traditional medicine.
01:50:15.000And it's not because your doctor or clinician's a bad guy or girl, it's because they're in an insurance model, and insurance doesn't cover any of these things.
01:51:10.000And so both his parents are psychologists, and his dad's battling dementia and uh has had cognitive decline.
01:51:17.000And they came in, and his mom was a mega, mega skeptic.
01:51:22.000And on day three, she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I gotta thank the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable.
01:52:09.000We did stem cells, we did uh he was there for the three-day experience, which was like hyperbaric, cellular therapy, peptides, hit him with everything but the kitchen sink, like what we do with with all these folks, and we systematically red light, we did all of it, but he's here for a three-day experience,
01:52:25.000and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home, reduce inflammation, help with all of these different aspects, hit him with G HK, hit him with BPC, hit him with stem cells, all of these different peptides and building blocks.
01:52:41.000Anyway, she she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said for the first time in a long time, I had my husband back last night.
01:54:09.000And even those, like this is where it's nuanced.
01:54:12.000Like I understand the backlash against GLP ones, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient, and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and uh, you know, IGF, yeah, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass, and we're quantifying it because we have a DEX at the clinic.
01:54:33.000So anybody who comes in, we run them through a DEXA now, we know their lean muscle mass, their body fat, and the goal is to preserve muscle.
01:54:40.000Because I would argue more important to getting the body fat off, and this is the pivot that I've tried to get jelly roll to and other folks.
01:55:06.000Make it about your body composition and how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle, minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat, but we don't want to give up a pound of muscle.
01:55:18.000Keep all it's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on.
01:56:33.000Bonobos are there are weird hippie like cousins.
01:56:37.000I've heard you've been talking about Jesse's deal with the uh tridactyls insane.
01:56:42.000And then you've said I know we I think we talked about have you you've watched the one on Homo Letty, that bipedal primate that buried the dead deep in caves.
01:57:22.000But whatever this thing is going on, um, first of all, from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for.
01:57:30.000Well, Gary was here to talk about his cancer research, first of all, which is fascinating.
01:57:33.000And then um uh amazing stuff, like very interesting.
01:57:38.000Then we we started talking about uh how this was sort of an accidental introduction.
01:57:43.000Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft, supposedly that crashed, and said, uh, could you analyze this and find out what this is?
01:57:58.000Um one of them a piece was brought to the Art Bell show.
01:58:02.000They said that was from a crash from like the 1940s.
01:58:06.000Um but this piece that had uh direct chain of evidence, so people knew where it was from a crash from the nineteen sixties in Brazil.
01:58:16.000Uh it was made out of almost pure silica, but the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing an what is the equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years.
01:58:50.000And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically, and this is from 1970.
01:59:16.000Someone would have heard about it, unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada Mountains that no one knows about that's doing some crazy super funded shit that they lie to Congress about.
01:59:36.000Well, and you're with your podcast with Representative Luna.
01:59:40.000I mean, I know she's on the political side, but I was listening to that, and I'm like, to have a Congresswoman saying these things, and then even Tulsi came out.
02:00:23.000And I think there's this very big struggle, both on a micro and a macro scale.
02:00:32.000I I I think internally there's a battle of good and evil.
02:00:35.000You know when you want to do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing, and then you feel better because of it.
02:00:44.000This is like a weird it's not like it's impossible for you to go into evil.
02:00:49.000If the situation was that you were uh, you know, in another time in another part of the world in a horrific war, and you had a raid a village because everyone else was raiding the village, and you have to kill everybody because everybody else is killing everybody.
02:01:08.000There's but there's a there's a real struggle between figuring that out.
02:01:12.000I wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else.
02:01:17.000And this is this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons, and you go, Well, what it what are we really talking about?
02:01:28.000If these people were trying to Write something down to represent a real event that took place.
02:01:35.000We're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel.
02:01:43.000We know how to fly in planes, we know how to fly to the stars, and we know where this goes.
02:01:56.000They didn't know anybody could fucking fly.
02:01:58.000So when if they're experiencing angels who literally fly, and and and devils, and these fucking things that they find, the like the Brazilian one said the from Varginia smells like sulfur.
02:02:57.000I think this is I think we are in a stage of our society with where the the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature.
02:03:11.000Like the gr the growth of intelligence, the gross of the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on.
02:03:21.000I think this is why there's a lot of shock in some circles about the public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza.
02:03:31.000Like almost like they can't understand it.
02:03:34.000Oh, how is this possible that someone's upset?
02:03:36.000You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 2025 human beings can behave where you can b bomb women and children, and any opposition to that is anti Semitic.
02:04:17.000I said this recently, I don't remember who else, but in my mind, I look at it as kind of like what Graham Hancock says.
02:04:23.000What if we reached a level of of knowledge and sophistication, but there's a reset button.
02:04:30.000And I know the cataclysmic events and all those things, and we know that happens.
02:04:34.000And we know it happens, I think every seventy thousand years, there's that it's it's historically gonna happen.
02:04:40.000But separate from that, when we look at the cosmos and we say once you have the ability to generate a certain level, reach a level two society, and you reach that level two society, then you can create enough energy to bend space and time, and in theory you could fold time and traverse the cosmos.
02:04:55.000What if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe or the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technologic advancement supersedes that or advances past it, right?
02:05:34.000Um I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of spiritual connection, but that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go.
02:05:44.000You know, there's this very highly criticized video of Peter Thiel, which is uh kind of funny.
02:05:50.000No, with no no no, that's another one.
02:07:20.000And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet has come anywhere close to?
02:07:56.000All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetized and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter.
02:08:16.000And every time I think I'm I'm trying to be a good person.
02:08:20.000There's never a time I've done a big dose of psychedelics and not thought about something I did mean in third grade or like I've got to be better.
02:09:33.000We're getting uh, you know, the fucking we could go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running out around in our education system.
02:09:50.000All this is because human beings are capable of deceit.
02:09:54.000All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes.
02:10:01.000And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue.
02:10:06.000Because a milksh a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious.
02:10:12.000You know, because I do like pulling into P. Terries and uh ordering a double bacon cheeseburger on a boat.
02:10:18.000You know, it look it doesn't mean that this is the only way to go, and I think we have to abandon that.
02:10:24.000Just like you have to abandon the idea of not having a cell phone anymore.
02:10:28.000There's gonna be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way.
02:10:36.000And I think it's going to be mind to mind, and I think it's gonna be through this interface, and it gets really challenging.
02:10:43.000It's gonna get really challenging is to how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled?
02:10:48.000Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech, you cannot allow that we we've shown that they're terrible with censorship.
02:11:00.000We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding with uh corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well-being, and they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots, and so we know that that exists right now, and if we have that controlling the mind, literal the hive mind of the world, that's not good.
02:11:32.000Like I look at ChatGPT or any of these large language models, and they're a tremendous resource, and that is now the new Google, and that is where you research and get a lot of information and fact check things.
02:11:43.000And right now you type it in a phone and you wait and you get an answer.
02:11:46.000In the future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink or one of these companies implants something, and you're merged with that, so you think like the matrix, I know Kung Fu.
02:12:07.000Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English and in their language, and then translates theirs to English.
02:12:17.000Yeah, literally there, it's just a freaking ear piece though.
02:13:13.000I don't like people who have that definitive.
02:13:15.000You can't be that being atheist is just as arrogant as saying my where was the saying, like there's nine hundred something religions, and if you're a Christian and you say all uh 899 are wrong, right?
02:13:27.000Being an atheist is even more arrogant.
02:13:29.000You're literally saying everything's wrong and there's nothing.
02:13:35.000I think there is something, but I think you also have to look at it through the lens of human beings.
02:13:40.000Because unfortunately, we are a dirty filter.
02:13:43.000And if you run the truth through us, the truth is gonna get contaminated.
02:13:47.000If you have like poor uh like you if you pour pure tequila through a filter that has cat shit in it, yeah, you're gonna get cat shit in your drink.
02:13:59.000So if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down, right?
02:14:07.000And then it gets written down in one language, it gets translated into another language, and then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back, like what year was it where they took the book of Enoch out of the canon, right?
02:14:20.000They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Qumran people.
02:14:24.000Those are the ones who believed in Enoch.
02:14:26.000Well, fuck those people, those guys are assholes.
02:14:29.000So that that one story that throws the whole like what they had to teach that in the Bible today.
02:14:34.000If you went to Sunday church and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans and providing sorcery and metallurgy and teaching them agriculture, like, what are you saying?
02:14:47.000Like what happened instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling.
02:14:53.000Because there's no human beings historically, like, even like if you're a Muslim, like the some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people are like, hey, this is kind of crazy.
02:15:07.000Like with Jesus Christ, it's very weird.
02:15:10.000Like you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross.
02:16:02.000And was he teaching these people that or was he an extraterrestrial?
02:16:06.000Was he what we think of as the son of God because he literally is born from another life form and brought down to Earth to try to help our advancement?
02:16:31.000Look, there's some things about the human being filter that are really fascinating.
02:16:35.000Like one of the things that uh Wes Huff told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed to when they translated it, they they found out it is 1,000 years older than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it, and they're identical, verbatim, word for word.
02:17:02.000So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there, or get that book of Enoch out of there.
02:17:13.000There's a few the we're humans, the human cat shit filter gets in the way, and you get human interaction with this, and then you lose some of the story.
02:18:30.000We fuck with genes of animals all the time.
02:18:33.000Well, even you tell you and I've talked about look at our own genes.
02:18:37.000Look at our genetic growth of our brain, and we try to go back and say it's because we went to hunter-gatherers and all of a sudden we burned meat, and then because we burned meat, our GI tract shrunk, and our GI tract shrunk, and a boot protein was absorbed and our brains are able to grow.
02:18:48.000It still doesn't really account for how much our intelligence jumped and our brain capacity jumped.
02:18:54.000Over just a small amount of time, historically, when you compare all the other animals on the planet, no other animal experience, anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size.
02:19:06.000But we were already pretty fucking clever, pretty clever monkeys.
02:19:10.000You know, monkeys have little languages, they tell each other when hawks are nearby, they scream.
02:19:14.000You know, that they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit.
02:19:20.000They'll yell out that there's an eagle, and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle, and then that monkey runs and gets the fruit.
02:19:45.000You say, oh, well, it's natural selection, it's a random mutation, like, mm-hmm maybe.
02:19:52.000Or maybe that book of Enoch trying to tell you something.
02:19:54.000There's stuff Ezekiel's trying to tell you something.
02:19:58.000Maybe maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky, and you can't even understand what he's seeing.
02:20:04.000How come so many people have these just because I haven't had that experience doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and over.
02:20:12.000There might be a reason why I haven't had that experience.
02:20:14.000First of all, I have too much big of a platform and a big fucking mouth.
02:20:17.000And I'd probably ruin the whole party.
02:20:20.000But I wouldn't even, because no one would believe me.
02:20:22.000It would just be one more thing that you ridicule.
02:20:25.000And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you gotta wonder like what if they're telling the truth.
02:20:32.000Did Gary get into um because go back to like the telepathy tapes and the the story with these autistic, nonverbal, autistic children?
02:20:40.000I should say something about that though, before we go any further.
02:20:48.000And one of the things that he said, he goes, No, no, no, these women are touching their sons while their sons are like moving the the words around.
02:21:17.000I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey was doing all this crazy fucking amazing magician illusion shit, and Jamie's like fucking calling him out on everything he could figure out.
02:21:27.000Well, Jamie's a little bit of a well- Let me tell you something though.
02:21:30.000Me and Jamie, when we watched David Blaine, we were like, What the fuck did he do?
02:22:06.000And Oz was like, you you should not account for any of that evidence that they're showing you.
02:22:11.000He goes, This is all like there's a a nonverbal communication between the mother and the son, but it involves touching.
02:22:17.000It involves like pointing and signaling.
02:22:19.000It's not as simple as the kid just figured it out.
02:22:22.000And then he showed us a video of it, and we're like, oh, I thought it was like the kid was in another room, no one was around him, they gave him the iPad, he knew what to write down because it was in his head, because his mom had seen it.
02:22:50.000He's done like these brain scans and and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability, and every single one of them have this brain anomaly.
02:23:01.000And his thing is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that makes you more per receptive or able to pick up on these things, or did the encounter itself create the anomaly?
02:23:15.000Well, you gotta do a double blind placebo controlled test and have some kid wander through the desert for a couple of months, hopefully get adducted.
02:23:35.000Because dreams are very realistic, and dreams are often uniform.
02:23:39.000Like a lot of people have dreams of falling, a lot of people have dreams of breathing underwater.
02:23:43.000Does that mean you're really breathing underwater?
02:23:45.000I just look at it logically and say there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos, and if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then that There's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time and with a big enough head start you would have the tech if you don't destroy yourself.
02:24:11.000But what if they catch is if you don't destroy yourself?
02:24:14.000And what if the test is does your society reach a level of consciousness that is non-destructive before you become an off planet species?
02:24:24.000Well, my fear is the only way to do that is through technology.
02:24:28.000My fear is that the only way to do that is to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now.
02:24:34.000Artificial general superintelligence, and that we're gonna either have to merge or perish, and that we're gonna choose to merge.
02:24:42.000And one of the one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior.
02:24:54.000All those things are have to go bye bye.
02:24:58.000That's why the gray aliens all look uniform.
02:25:00.000They look all the same minds and they don't use their lips, they they talk with their minds, and that's probably the future of the human race.
02:25:11.000When you see that iconic image from Close Encounters of the Third Con there's something about that that makes sense, right?
02:25:16.000Because that goes, Oh, I guess that's where we're going.
02:25:18.000Because it seems like where we're going.
02:25:20.000If we go from, you know, ancient hominids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding, you know, whether or not trans fucking uh activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed.
02:25:46.000I think that's part of what's going on with like this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems, killing everybody's endocrine system, significant drop in testosterone from the 1970s, significant increase in miscarriages.
02:26:17.000We're criticizing normal femininity, uh, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which is CEOs.
02:26:31.000We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly.
02:26:35.000We're celebrating men becoming feminists.
02:26:38.000We're celebrating men who uh are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that shithead was wearing, and it's like he was posing with that outfit on like look at me, I'm free.
02:26:49.000This is how I behave, and I want hepy shots for all the babies.
02:27:00.000And what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over a head and everybody's locked in and everybody's together in this.
02:27:10.000But who's gonna control that fucking thing?
02:27:51.000There's a software that they're launching that tracks all the toys.
02:27:59.000The the way I understand it and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it as a good thing, but I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority reports.
02:28:08.000So every chat room if you're saying something that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere on the internet or in in Instagram or in a private chat, supposedly this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat and they would have been able to cat yeah, that's I'm like, then it what the fuck are we headed towards?
02:28:34.000It's gonna be like the statistical algorithm says they you have a seventy percent chance of committing a violent crime today.
02:29:31.000Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tool similar to Chat GPT that it hopes will transform its spying capabilities.
02:29:47.000Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chat bot like tool capable of answering questions about people it is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects.
02:30:03.000And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're gonna start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us against potential threats.
02:30:32.000Would you guys did you guys notice anything?
02:30:34.000You notice Trump administration is silently employing Palantir to gather personal data of each American, raising privacy data misuse concerns.
02:30:43.000So this is a different thing, so what is it doing?
02:30:47.000So this is totally different than the Israeli thing, right?
02:30:51.000No worries, but they're both kind of creepy.
02:30:53.000Uh gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data.
02:31:09.000Um capabilities and data organization and analysis could potentially enable the merging of information from various agencies, thereby creating detailed profiles of American citizens.
02:31:37.000Access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims, and disability status.
02:31:46.000Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham.
02:31:49.000We might have to come knock on your door.
02:31:53.000Oh, by the way, um Graham Lineah, the guy who was on the podcast, he got arrested when he went back to the UK.
02:32:01.000The guy who was on the podcast who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly, went went back to the UK and they arrested him.
02:32:18.000They had they met armed police, met him at the airport and arrested him for tweets for three tweets.
02:32:26.000If you go to my Twitter, I retweeted it, I retweeted the story.
02:32:51.000But I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes, like using auto Pen to sign off on all kinds of executive orders that he didn't even fucking know what the details of were, which is explained we had that conversation with Mike Johnson, and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was.
02:33:19.000And I think a lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms bring back American jobs are positive.
02:34:29.000These are people that are LBDC TQ two plus as uh I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic because it's saying you're not gay, you're a woman.
02:34:41.000And you're attracted to men, but you're a woman.
02:34:44.000Well, if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay.
02:36:34.000He's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's super successful in the UK.
02:36:38.000And he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans-identified, a lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues.
02:36:45.000And they've also been people that have been fucked over by the system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans and they wanted to cut their hair off.
02:36:56.000They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of like showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman.
02:37:12.000I think this is pure evidence that our our interactions are being co-opted.
02:37:18.000And it's it's great evidence that a lot this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Bezmanov talked about in the 1980s, where they were talking about demoralization.
02:37:29.000That The goal wasn't the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins, or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins.
02:37:51.000Convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and they're this and they're that and they're Nazis and this.
02:38:47.000And I think a lot of it is it's social media manipulation where a bunch of these people aren't even real people, and they're the most vocal and the most outrageous about it.
02:40:12.000Well, and then with chat with large language models, I keep saying chat with any large language model.
02:40:17.000I mean, man, when you interact with them and it even shows up on my feeds, I see uh, you know, they know how to target us, they know like everything, they know how to capture my attention.
02:40:27.000And it's like now I'm like I showed Amanda a video the other day, and she's like, Oh, that's AI.
02:40:53.000Yeah, and the only reason I know it's bullshit is because it's I know you're not advertising for that.
02:40:57.000And I know Huberman's not advertising for that.
02:40:59.000And I'm like, I don't even know how they can legally get away with it.
02:41:02.000I mean, I think they get hammered, but we we go after them and we have them take them down, but they sometimes they don't listen.
02:41:07.000They took one of our podcasts, it showed up on YouTube.
02:41:10.000It was one of our podcasts, I don't even remember what you were saying, but it was you breaking down something to do with wastewell and how it's helped you, but it wasn't Ways Well, they plug in their like product.
02:41:43.000But again, it's we're experiencing great change, and it's not it doesn't go easy, and that's why there's so much chaos.
02:41:51.000But you can't lose your humanity in all this, folks.
02:41:54.000This is this is the trap, and this is the the trap that's being accentuated by social media.
02:41:59.000This uh tribal Trap of thinking that um the other side is evil and to buy to combat them, you have to be evil and and you have to be super mean and shitty because it's justified because those people are fascists or those people are Nazis.
02:42:33.000This is about racism, this is about sexism.
02:42:35.000This is it's all a ploy to divide and conquer.
02:42:38.000Because if we're fighting each other, we're not united, and we can't fight industry.
02:42:43.000But the real evil empire is all these people pulling the strings and ram rotting agendas that are killing millions of Americans every year.
02:44:08.000And this battle is what we're experiencing right now, but my fear is that there's a lot of us that are unaware of the the actual full impact of all of these other factors that aren't really people.
02:44:25.000These bots and corporations and propaganda and how they're gathered that fat guy arguing with you on that video.
02:44:33.000Yeah, that's a gaslighting motherfucker.
02:44:36.000Like, I don't listen to you if you look like that if you're telling me about health.
02:46:17.000I think all of these factors that are destroying our endocrine system, making us less sexual, all these confusions, society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap.
02:46:32.000That the only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend.
02:46:39.000And you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now.
02:46:44.000This this Manhattan project that's going on right now between open AI and Grok and then they're fucking sabotaging each other and stealing data.
02:46:54.000Do you hear about that guy that left Grok and he he downloaded the entire Grok database and then fucking sold it to ChatGPT?
02:47:13.000Uh the sweet relief of P. But so that's what I think is happening to us.
02:47:18.000I think we're becoming some new thing.
02:47:20.000And I think it's uh gonna happen way quicker than we'd like it to be.
02:47:23.000While no engineer sold Grok to open AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing Grok's secrets before leaving X AI to join OpenAI.
02:47:37.000So Elon tweeted that he downloaded XAI accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for Grok shortly before and after his resignation.
02:47:51.000Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to open AI servers.
02:47:58.000So that they're they're they're doing that, and then also I think OpenAI had a situation when they they believe that Chinese uh some Chinese uh scientists had access to their data, like something happened where there was some sort of uh a breach of security, and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the shut stuff that they're doing.
02:48:32.000OpenAI takes down chat GPT accounts linked to state-backed hacking and disinformation.
02:48:38.000State backed threat actors from a handful of countries are now using chat GPT for illicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns.
02:48:57.000I just look at all the ways it's gonna impact society from jobs and everything.
02:49:01.000We're gonna live in the craziest of times.
02:49:04.000Go back to the look at it, stirring the social media pot.
02:49:07.000OpenAI said it banned dozens of accounts and saw using Chat GPT to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a cur a covert influence campaign or operation.
02:49:20.000Many of the China-based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of USAID, various sides of divisive topics within US political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, uh say that name, who is publicly criticized China's investments in Balochistan.
02:49:49.000Would you even uh ever thought that was a real country?
02:49:52.000That seems like that sounds like something that the Game of Thrones guy would write down.
02:49:57.000The account sought to create social media comments in English, Chinese, and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other social media platforms.
02:50:08.000Like this, we know that this has been going on, right?
02:50:11.000We know that China has AI, Russia has AI, we have competing, there's meta AI, there's Google Gemini, there's uh Grok with X AI, there's Chat GPT, which is open AI.
02:50:27.000There's perplexity, there's a whole bunch of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God.
02:50:37.000Well, and so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity and the direction we're headed, AI and that component, and there's that technological component, but there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR.
02:50:49.000And the direction we're headed, and we can now edit your genes.
02:50:52.000And I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change so essentially we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create that a clone, and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain, and we can now edit in roughly twenty points of IQ.
02:51:11.000So through CRISPR, you can edit somebody's intelligence by twenty IQ points.
02:51:16.000That's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein.
02:51:18.000Now what if you do that three, four, five generations down?
02:51:22.000You're being so kind to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
02:51:24.000You would be able to create superhumans.
02:51:41.000Hacking Darwin, the book Hacking Darwin explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to essentially and China's already doing this.
02:52:05.000And so then the problem becomes go back to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the 80s.
02:52:09.000When everyone starts creating, you know little uh superhumans and everyone's gonna look back almost back to demolition man, what we were talking about.
02:52:19.000You're you don't you create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life.
02:52:31.000And look and minimizing chronic disease.
02:52:33.000But if we just add a little spice here, we can make them twice as smart.
02:52:56.000And someone was describing that um about how God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was uh talking about how essentially what goes on in China is say if they want to get into uh solar panels, if like they start producing solar panels.
02:53:13.000The government will get involved and say, we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels, and then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company, and only the best ones are gonna survive.
02:53:28.000And it's all funded by the smart idea.
02:53:52.000But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us.
02:53:56.000So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI while we're all battling and out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there.
02:54:08.000And if they really did steal all the chat GPT database, did they did they did China have access to chat GPT to um open AI's database?
02:54:19.000Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach?
02:54:23.000What what came when I typed in breach and with those words, that's what came up is what I showed you.
02:54:27.000So something else, a different story would be a different story.
02:54:31.000I read I was reading too that China's beating us in the arms race of energy infrastructure to be able to actually implement this level of AI.
02:54:40.000Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that.
02:54:48.000Well, they're making fucking shitloads of coal factories in China.
02:54:53.000It's like they're playing this multi-level game and they're using all of our cultural hotspots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this and that and prayer and schools, and you think it's organic.
02:55:07.000You think people are really fighting in the street for all these things.
02:55:54.000The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of health care and compounding how much AI is going to impact workplace and infrastructure.
02:56:20.000And I'm looking at this and we're going, if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go hire 200 people, and then we just get to promote the people who are already with us.
02:56:32.000But at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all of our jobs?
02:56:39.000Even in his own blog, he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that this is going to replace almost all jobs everywhere in the world.
02:57:39.000That's gonna be interesting, but I think that's a side project.
02:57:42.000That's that's like uh it's a distraction.
02:57:46.000The the ri the real thing is gonna be non-physical.
02:57:48.000The real thing is gonna be this bizarre connection that we have to this ultimate intelligence that's gonna be pumped straight into your dome.
02:57:54.000You're not gonna want to fuck that robot when you're when you're literally plugged into the matrix.
02:58:00.000Like the physical like sex robot that everybody dreams of.
02:58:04.000There's gonna be a few losers like live in the hills and you know, wear overalls and fucking kill squirrels all day, and then they have this sex robot they come home and fuck.
02:59:39.000And once they figure out haptic feedback, like legitimate haptic feedback, especially if if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, it was something that just clamps to your forehead and uh gets a a reading on your brain the same way like like when you look at your phone, it opens up because it you do that stupid thing, the face ID.
02:59:58.000Yeah, where you like program the image of your phone and an iPhone.
03:00:05.000Like it knows your brain signals, and it's like close your eyes and count back from ten, nine, yeah, eight, and then you see the whole consciousness sink down sh and now all of a sudden you're in a warehouse.
03:00:31.000And then they just fucking open it up.
03:00:33.000I'm not gonna lie it does sound fun as long as we don't don't all you know it's gonna be it's gonna be very fun but the there's always going to be some cunt that's controlling the entire system.
03:00:42.000And this is why you have to have everything that it's it's got to be decentralized.
03:00:46.000Everything's gotta be like a blockchain.
03:01:13.000Because regular life, if you're working at a deli, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and...
03:01:22.000you know hanging with the boys and you get out of there and you're a knight you're a knight and you're you're you're battling with demons and you're you're fucking riding a horse in game of thrones like really like that's totally possible.
03:01:39.000Yeah, it's not even that far away because what you can see Visually right now when they do these these video games that are available today The unreal engine is so good dude It's so good that all would have to do is be virtual and then figure out how to emulate movement And how to get you to feel like you're moving and that's probably just manipulating some part of your brain that it scans out It probably figures out What you
03:02:08.000know, maybe you have to shave all this stuff because even Elon on here He was talking about how we can help you see in infrared Yeah This technology we can create the impulse signals or whatever in the brain that allow you to see an infrared Did you see those night vision contact lenses they've created?
03:02:25.000No, bro They've created night vision contact lenses.
03:02:30.000Yeah, see if you find that Fuck in bananas No, that's crazy Contacts put them in and now you're a wolf But then the same thing we're talking about talking about with CRISPR and gene editing right it's gonna be the same thing when everyone has an implant and I can download jujitsu in my brain you're at a disadvantage if you don't have the implant.
03:02:50.000Well not only how can you compete you can't you're gonna have to join these contact lenses give people infrared vision even with their eyes shut with their fucking eyes shut that's nuts.
03:03:03.000New way of seeing infrared light without the need for chunky night vision goggles researchers have made the first contact lenses to convey infrared vision and the devices work even when people have their eyes closed holy fuck dude.
03:03:17.000Now imagine when that's if you're blind and they say Brigham um we can actually give you eyesight but you're gonna have like super eyesight.
03:03:25.000Yeah like your eyesight will be way better so people are eventually going to get their eyeballs plucked out and like I'm I'm tired of wearing readers.
03:03:32.000Yeah I'm gonna go in and get the new eyeballs and you're gonna put on these Monsanto devived eyeballs they're gonna be I mean they even said you would be able to have eagle eye mode and he was breaking all that down where you could see at a high resolution at a distance geothermal like you I don't think you could stop it.
03:03:54.000And this is the thing where people oh God you're so cynical I'm not I'm not I love people.
03:04:02.000I think this is happening whether we like it or not and I don't necessarily know that it's a bad thing.
03:04:07.000I think I don't know if that's true but James Cameron is that a fake tweet I reposted it because I'm a but it was James Cameron said I warned you guys 30 years ago and I reposted that it it was all over media so I'm I don't know if it's real or not but it's probably he's a clever guy.
03:04:24.000You probably did post that he's right.
03:04:26.000So was the you know the really fucking scary thing you know who's right the fucking unibomber was right that was the unibomber's whole manifesto was the technology is going to kill the human race.
03:04:54.000What if we can take your consciousness and put it into a body, or there's not even a f there's like a I don't know, a humanoid biologic thing.
03:05:02.000Which is what you grow it even though you're a child.
03:05:10.000And it brings the aliens back to my favorite kind of aliens, which you don't see a lot of them, but they're scary as fuck and they're really clever.
03:05:17.000The problem with James Cameron's version of aliens is now all of a sudden they're easy to shoot and everyone's just gunning them down.
03:05:51.000When he literally asked his creator, the guy who invented the humanoid robot, and he asked him, what makes you more important than me?
03:06:00.000And he said, Because you will die, you will wither away, you will do all these things, but I will be here and I won't lose my consciousness.
03:06:09.000He's like he's gaining uh like consciousness in the moment, and he's asking, and that's the shit where it's like we keep making things smarter and smarter and smarter.
03:07:02.000Why do you have any people on this fucking thing?
03:07:04.000You've got synthetic robots that don't die, and you have aliens out there.
03:07:07.000Well then you go back to like what a lot of the UAP whistleblowers are saying that because I've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too, and they start saying that grays are synthetic biologics that are almost like hive mind avatars.
03:07:22.000And again, I'm not saying I believe it.
03:07:23.000I'm not I'm just saying it's interesting, and like a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework sense for why and how you would navigate some new environment.
03:07:38.000Especially and why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit.
03:08:30.000But there is a lot of kinks in the armor.
03:08:33.000And if just statistically, I'm not saying that little green men are visiting, but there's statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there.
03:08:43.000And then statistically, did that life have a head start and did it reach intelligent life?
03:08:47.000And did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience?
03:08:52.000Because one of the things if there is a reset in our society, it's usually because of an asteroid impact or a super volcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out a city.
03:09:02.000The society has to have developed take technological capabilities that help negate all those things.
03:09:10.000And so wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean?
03:09:14.000And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on.
03:09:17.000Because it seems like a there's a lot of activity that that takes place in a place where we've only explored five percent.
03:10:30.000The craziest thing he said though, which I don't I didn't fully understand on the podcast, is when he kept saying it knew our set point and knew our set point or whatever, that's not programmed in anywhere.
03:10:50.000He said that the amount of force that it would take.
03:10:54.000So this thing is let's just say this thing weighs uh two tons, which is like a car.
03:10:59.000You know, like a lot of cars are like four thousand pounds.
03:11:02.000So this thing weighs two tons and it went from, you know, sea level to fifty thousand feet above sea level in less than a second.
03:11:11.000So whether or not it that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move four thousand pounds that quickly would be the more than the total energy generated by the United States in a yeah.
03:11:31.000That's when you start seeing all these things and then you layer in the Jesse stuff and all the shit, yeah, all the work Jesse's done and his deep dives into history and FOIA documents and disclosures and you just start going Yeah what the hell.
03:11:51.000I'm fascinated by it, and I think Jesse's I I think he deserves you know, if they were st if journalism was really what it could have been today if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored mainstream gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true.
03:12:15.000If if if if the the world was just, he would get in a reward.
03:12:18.000He would get an award for that particular show that he did on those tridactyl mummies, because that is crazy.
03:12:25.000When he did when they did those scans and you see the ligament and you and guys like Gary, who is a legitimate scientist, like published at Stanford who who's looking at that thing and saying, This doesn't make any sense.
03:12:39.000Like this is looks like a real creature.
03:13:00.000And Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things and they did these medical scans on them.
03:13:06.000So you could see what the actual what's underneath all that, you know, white tissue looking stuff.
03:13:12.000Is this just sticks and yeah, you walk you look at it and it seems too convenient and too crazy, but then when you watch him systematically break down and all these thought leaders and all these experts and all these different people giving their lens, and then you see these MRIs and you're like, you didn't make those hands.
03:13:55.000That's probably what we're going to find out.
03:13:56.000If they do a DNA, if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things, and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it, I bet we find out that we are like them.
03:14:20.000You know, it's all these like really unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove, like where it would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones.
03:14:38.000When you're looking at them, you're like, how did you move this?
03:15:16.000Like if Neanderthal was alive and then it wasn't, and then we're like, well, we didn't even know that Neanderthal was a thing until we discovered, oh, see, it looks like it had interbred with us.
03:15:29.000So now we know that there's a Neanderthal, but 500 years ago, no one had any idea.
03:15:34.000No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was bigger than us, stronger than that.
03:15:40.000Isn't it like seventy percent of the bipedal species that we've uncovered uh like that are our relatives have all been discovered in the last like sixty years?
03:15:52.000Yeah, and a bunch of them have discovered in the last decade.
03:15:58.000Just recently we were talking about that homo the Julien's this enormous man that they found with a huge head.
03:16:05.000They don't know how big these fucking things were.
03:16:07.000They might have been seven foot tall supermen.
03:16:09.000Like and then there's depictions of them like covered in hair looking fucking jacked, or they're trying to like figure out what these things actually look like.
03:16:16.000Why is it so crazy to think there might have been a version of us that looked like that?
03:16:20.000Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft and so doughy in comparison to gorillas?
03:16:30.000We're so intelligent and we're so advanced in comparison to them.
03:16:34.000Well, if that thing is more advanced and more intelligent than us, it's going to be just like what you compare us to gorillas, it's gonna be like that to us.
03:16:57.000I know that Corbell and Knapp are uh they say they've got I think six witnesses, including I thought first hand witnesses that are gonna testify this time.
03:17:56.000You know, because there's a dimension of sound, there's a dimension of like three dimensions, or it's like, you know, space and time and all that.
03:18:03.000We all we kind of have an understanding or grasp of it.
03:18:06.000So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a bus and get here?
03:18:24.000You're a three-dimensional being in a three-dimensional world, and your shadow on the ground is a two-dimensional shadow of a three-dimensional being in the Donosong.
03:19:39.000Uh check it out and thank you for all you're doing to try to give people a better understanding about how fucking incredibly corrupt this whole system really is.
03:19:49.000Thank you for having me on and giving us a voice.