The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2376 - Brigham Buhler

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00:00:13.000 What up, dog?

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00:00:15.000 We're back.

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00:00:17.000 How many text messages have we been exchanging back and forth where we're like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:00:23.000 Oh, it's nuts. 0.99

00:00:24.000 It goes so deep.

00:00:26.000 It goes so deep.

00:00:28.000 This is to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in in terms of like politics, in terms of like who's in control. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Like having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him like really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on. 0.99

00:00:58.000 It's been crazy. 0.99

00:00:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:01:00.000 It's definitely been crazy.

00:01:01.000 And for anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our previous podcast, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly, and I did that for three years.

00:01:09.000 So I saw behind the curtain.

00:01:11.000 This was right out of college.

00:01:12.000 And then I was a med device rep. And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, I uh pharmacogenetic labs.

00:01:19.000 I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework within the system.

00:01:26.000 And I was I've been blowing the you and I did I think the first one four years ago, where I was trying to blow the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion, and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom.

00:01:39.000 Every alphabet organization, whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, uh the NIH, the GPS.

00:01:50.000 Oh man.

00:01:50.000 The guy who he has like literally a pentagram dog collar thing on his chest.

00:01:58.000 Do you know this guy?

00:01:58.000 Oh, I know, I know what you're talking about.

00:02:00.000 This fucking freak who's upset that they're not giving babies hepatitis B shots. 0.99

00:02:05.000 He literally in an interview yesterday said his biggest concern is that they're gonna get rid of hepatitis B shots. 1.00

00:02:10.000 Children aren't having sex or shooting up drugs.

00:02:13.000 Why do they need a HEP B shot?

00:02:15.000 Because they're paying.

00:02:16.000 Because B shots are paying. 1.00

00:02:19.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 They're paying.

00:02:20.000 Well, and that's money.

00:02:22.000 The problem is as as you like systematically walk through these systems in the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again.

00:02:31.000 And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work, getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease.

00:02:42.000 Don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems.

00:02:46.000 And that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the Maha movement, testifying in front of the Senate, and then I've testified at the state level. 0.97

00:02:54.000 And Joe, the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes, getting line of sight into the government side, because I didn't I was on the outside in the periphery, somewhat aware of the government stuff, but now having got behind the curtain, dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized. 0.98

00:03:19.000 Well, it's all money, man. 1.00

00:03:21.000 And there's so much money.

00:03:22.000 I mean, it it has to be one of the biggest industries in the country, right?

00:03:25.000 Oh, it is I think HHS and even even HHS, which all falls under Secretary Kennedy now, I think it's between 70 and 80,000 people, right?

00:03:35.000 And so when people are asking, how do these how why aren't we moving faster?

00:03:38.000 Why aren't we doing this?

00:03:39.000 Why aren't we doing that?

00:03:40.000 It's like you're trying to move the Titanic.

00:03:43.000 There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's whack-a-mole.

00:03:51.000 And every day a new fire pops up, and every day you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, deny, depose, and prevent any sort of change.

00:04:04.000 And you've got legacy employees.

00:04:06.000 There's literally there is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which isn't President Trump and Secretary Tinney, it's the American people's voice.

00:04:21.000 The American people voted for change.

00:04:23.000 We're over the corruption.

00:04:25.000 We're over the collusion, we're over the corporate capture.

00:04:28.000 And for most people that I know, this was one of the biggest factors in in this administration.

00:04:35.000 Like voting in Trump, that one of the biggest things was getting Kennedy in there.

00:04:40.000 Same.

00:04:41.000 Yeah.

00:04:42.000 I believe that the Maha moms and this healthcare movement and the frustration with the broken health care system was a deciding factor in Trump winning this election.

00:04:53.000 And my fear is if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats.

00:04:59.000 Historically, both sides have been corrupted.

00:05:03.000 Uh and both sides have made catastrophic mistakes.

00:05:07.000 Uh and if we walk through like each one of these organizations, like back to the even the FDA.

00:05:13.000 Okay, so most recently, I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears everywhere.

00:05:17.000 Or you tell me where the best place to start is because I want to there's so much ground to cover.

00:05:22.000 Okay, so uh Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January.

00:05:28.000 And he said, I want you to come with an open mind, open heart, they're gonna do the same.

00:05:32.000 And I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced, and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum.

00:05:53.000 And so I went to this meeting, flew to DC, sat down with all these folks, they're taking notes, they all seemed really friendly.

00:06:00.000 There was probably eight or nine people in the room, and I left there.

00:06:03.000 And a day later, and I and everyone's like, How do you think it went?

00:06:06.000 I said, They seem very receptive.

00:06:09.000 Like everyone was nice, everyone smiled, and everyone was just seemed friendly. 1.00

00:06:14.000 Hand of God, I get a call from a person at the FDA, and they say, I want you to know they're gonna smile, fuck you. 1.00

00:06:23.000 And I said, What? 1.00

00:06:25.000 And this person said, They're gonna smile, fuck you. 1.00

00:06:28.000 And I go, What do you mean? 1.00

00:06:29.000 They're gonna smile to your face and they're gonna ramrod all the things that you went in to talk to them about.

00:06:36.000 So, like one of the things that I wanted to talk to them about was the GLP ones.

00:06:40.000 Forget whether good or bad.

00:06:41.000 Let's just shelf that for the moment.

00:06:44.000 GLP ones have their origination at the National Institute for Health.

00:06:49.000 Let's explain to people that's Ozempic, Wagovi. 0.63

00:06:52.000 Those weight loss, all these blockbuster weight loss peptides.

00:06:55.000 But it's bigger than them being a weight loss peptide.

00:06:58.000 They fall under the category of peptides.

00:07:00.000 And it's a slippery slope.

00:07:03.000 Because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things.

00:07:15.000 Unless they have patents on it.

00:07:17.000 Correct.

00:07:17.000 And and you and I talked about this the last podcast, and I was spot on.

00:07:21.000 All the things I was telling you, I have now confirmed, having gone to meetings with the FDA.

00:07:27.000 I said in that meeting and I said, You guys so what happened is Eli Lilly is now one of the largest makers of this weight loss peptide.

00:07:34.000 It's it's essentially Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly.

00:07:37.000 They have lobbied hard with the FDA to say we can meet the needs of the American people.

00:07:43.000 There is no reason why anybody should be compounding any of these peptides.

00:07:47.000 They're dangerous.

00:07:48.000 You guys don't inspect compounding pharmacies.

00:07:51.000 There's no FDA oversight.

00:07:53.000 These products are made in garages and there's no uh FDA ingredients in them.

00:07:59.000 They're not the same product.

00:08:01.000 Uh XYZ, just go down the list of all the narratives that they're spinning to the FDA.

00:08:06.000 And when the FDA is only hearing one side of the story, and 60% of their funding comes from industry, what you will see is time and time again, they side with industry.

00:08:17.000 So the FDA defaulted right before to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control.

00:08:24.000 They expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize.

00:08:33.000 And this is crucial.

00:08:35.000 The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient.

00:08:46.000 They're treating patients with the dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary.

00:08:53.000 And I can prove this.

00:08:54.000 They are overdosing people, under like literally, they're not taking the time to do the consult To educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.

00:09:02.000 There is zero doubt that GLP ones are overutilized in America.

00:09:06.000 There's zero doubt that they should not be a frontline defense.

00:09:08.000 There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors.

00:09:12.000 But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages.

00:09:16.000 So why would you start a patient on a higher dosage?

00:09:19.000 Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss?

00:09:25.000 It's because it reimburses more.

00:09:27.000 It's not because it's what's better for the patient.

00:09:29.000 It's because it's what's better for Wall Street.

00:09:32.000 Okay.

00:09:33.000 And then their answer is compounding pharmacies, we titrate at a lower dosage.

00:09:38.000 We're unique to the patient.

00:09:39.000 So what we try to do is start you at a micro dose.

00:09:42.000 And then also what we do is compound compound it and add other uh peptides.

00:09:48.000 So, like one example of a they're literally working to patent a combination of a GLP1 and IGF LR3.

00:09:57.000 We've been making that for five years, like four years.

00:10:00.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:10:01.000 Uh GLP10.

00:10:03.000 The weight loss and IGF, insulin growth factor LR3, time released insulin growth factor.

00:10:07.000 And the reason being IGF preserves lean muscle mass.

00:10:11.000 IgF preserves bone mineral density.

00:10:13.000 IgF helps reduce visceral fat.

00:10:15.000 IgF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to microdose a GLP one at a much lower dosage where you don't get the muscle wasting.

00:10:25.000 And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20% body fat loss and it are 20% uh loss cut relative to the GLP ones, but all of its body fat.

00:10:36.000 Almost all of it is fat.

00:10:37.000 You're not losing the muscle.

00:10:39.000 And compounders are already making this stuff, right?

00:10:43.000 And so where I'm going with this is Lily lobbies the FDA and Novo Nordisk, and they say these drugs are dangerous.

00:10:50.000 Let's look into that.

00:10:51.000 Step one.

00:10:52.000 Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisc both have warning letters from the FDA for their manufacturing facilities.

00:10:59.000 Novo Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and pest activity.

00:11:05.000 I don't know if it's rats, if it's roaches in their sterile rooms.

00:11:10.000 This is the FDA's own inspection.

00:11:13.000 Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for his egregious actions, destroying records, hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room. 0.99

00:11:24.000 The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers. 0.97

00:11:27.000 Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years. 0.93

00:11:36.000 And so my message to the FDA was one, you're wrong. 0.96

00:11:40.000 You've inspected me three times in 18 months.

00:11:44.000 Two, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product.

00:11:48.000 They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs.

00:11:52.000 You guys look at them less often than you do compounders, and they don't make dosages unique to patients.

00:11:58.000 So we're titrating dosages down, allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects.

00:12:05.000 Not a one-size-fits-all approach.

00:12:07.000 And then last but not least, it's cash pay.

00:12:10.000 We aren't billing insurance carriers.

00:12:13.000 We aren't billing Medicare Medicaid, and we're not charging $1,300 a month average wholesale price.

00:12:19.000 We're able to ship these products for a couple hundred bucks to your doorstep with a nutritional consult.

00:12:26.000 And so it's a better mouse trap.

00:12:28.000 And what you'll see time and time again is if industry's getting beat, if big pharma's getting beat, they just change the rules to the game.

00:12:38.000 And so where this is going, though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe.

00:12:43.000 So I asked the FDA, what made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list?

00:12:50.000 Because it was an emergency backlogs list.

00:12:52.000 So the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders we can't get these drugs, we need you to compound these drugs.

00:12:59.000 Think of it like the bat signal. 0.97

00:13:00.000 Bat signal goes off, we jump to it, we start compounding those drugs.

00:13:04.000 The exemption expired under Biden right before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took control.

00:13:09.000 The old regime at the FDA ramrodted it through.

00:13:12.000 Now it's not exempt.

00:13:14.000 Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it because they don't make patient specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available.

00:13:22.000 But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need.

00:13:30.000 This is where the plot thickens.

00:13:32.000 We called over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months.

00:13:36.000 I turned all of this into the FDA.

00:13:39.000 Less than 6% of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what?

00:13:46.000 They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what?

00:13:50.000 All of these programs get billed a higher reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate.

00:13:55.000 Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product.

00:14:00.000 They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our healthcare institutions time and time again.

00:14:10.000 And it's going to get 10 times worse as I lay this out for you.

00:14:13.000 But I'll pause for the first time.

00:14:15.000 Okay, so pause right here.

00:14:16.000 So what is a response to this?

00:14:18.000 So you lay out this information.

00:14:21.000 What can be done?

00:14:22.000 And what is the response?

00:14:23.000 So they all they they were friendly.

00:14:25.000 They smiled, they were dropping down notes. 0.98

00:14:27.000 One of the head clinics drawn dicks.

00:14:31.000 One of the clinicians from the FDA, uh, Kennedy, who's never practiced medicine, said there's no medical need for peptides in this meeting.

00:14:40.000 And he's like, but today we're going to talk mainly about GLP ones.

00:14:43.000 There's a need for GLP ones.

00:14:45.000 Okay, I dig in.

00:14:46.000 Where did this guy do his uh he he's a he is a clinician, but his first stint in politics was in the state of Indiana in Indianapolis.

00:14:58.000 Eli Lilly's headquarters.

00:15:00.000 I worked for Eli Lilly.

00:15:01.000 In Eli Lilly owns the state of Indiana.

00:15:04.000 And they absolutely own the state or the city of Indianapolis.

00:15:08.000 And this guy did his first stint uh in politics under a Congressmoman, Congressman, sorry, in the state of Indiana in Indianapolis.

00:15:19.000 And this Congressman has released multiple multiple tweets and messages and attends Eli Lilly factory openings and is a huge proponent of Eli Lilly.

00:15:29.000 And this is just one example of the issues with that system. 0.99

00:15:33.000 It's also the statement that peptides have no medical use when GLP ones are fucking peptides. 0.98

00:15:38.000 That's literally what I said. 0.98

00:15:40.000 I said, you do understand that a GLP one's a peptide.

00:15:43.000 Insulin is a peptide.

00:15:44.000 Yes.

00:15:45.000 There are over a hundred and fifty peptides that big pharma is attempting to patent right now.

00:15:50.000 Because the future of medicine is peptides.

00:15:53.000 And here's why.

00:15:54.000 We don't we aren't compounding a drug. 0.93

00:15:57.000 We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle, we don't get enough sun, we have too much screen time, we're inactive, and all of that shit's tanking in our bodies. 0.92

00:16:20.000 Shocker, right?

00:16:21.000 And as we age, there's there's a precipitous decline in peptides in building blocks.

00:16:27.000 One example, GHK, copper peptide.

00:16:30.000 We know we have roughly 30 to 40 percent of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens.

00:16:37.000 Why is that important?

00:16:38.000 It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young, your cells are young, your skin's elastic, heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation, right?

00:16:50.000 It's safe, it's benign, it's found in nature.

00:16:52.000 We're synthesizing that.

00:16:54.000 That's what peptides are.

00:16:56.000 And big pharma got beat to the punch by compounding pharmacies.

00:17:00.000 And compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt.

00:17:04.000 And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP ones, and this is what I wanted to explain.

00:17:10.000 So it's very complicated.

00:17:12.000 I gotta make sure I nail this right because it's important for President Trump to understand this.

00:17:16.000 President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma.

00:17:24.000 And he is gonna negotiate a deal for best in class, but best in the world drug pricing for the American people.

00:17:31.000 And that's very admirable.

00:17:32.000 And I respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done.

00:17:35.000 But the devil is in the details.

00:17:37.000 And my fear is historically, big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma.

00:17:44.000 And when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chess piece, they outmaneuver them.

00:17:50.000 And it's already happening.

00:17:52.000 Eli Lilly, CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.

00:18:01.000 But what that really means is we're not gonna get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for, right?

00:18:09.000 Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before.

00:18:15.000 The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the back end from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public.

00:18:25.000 Then when they negotiate a deal with Medicare Medicaid Tri-Care, they tell the government, we're giving you 30% off. 0.77

00:18:31.000 You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created because you set the market.

00:18:37.000 And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes. 0.98

00:18:41.000 We can see it time and time again.

00:18:42.000 Eli Lilly's price of production on insulin became one-tenth of what it used to be, and they charge 10 times the dollar amount of the retail price of insulin.

00:18:54.000 And I've on also, Jamie, on any of this stuff on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience uh links again because I'm referencing so many things that people are gonna say, no way.

00:19:06.000 So Lily literally go to Ways2Well.com and there's JRE links.

00:19:10.000 Okay.

00:19:11.000 Uh there's a links page where I reference everything I'm talking about.

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00:20:45.000 President Trump is attempting to negotiate these pricing.

00:20:49.000 This is where industry's already moving the needle.

00:20:51.000 That's just one piece of it though, Joe. 0.99

00:20:53.000 Here's where it gets even more fucked up. 1.00

00:20:55.000 This is how crazy this shit is. 1.00

00:20:58.000 It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay? 1.00

00:21:02.000 Animal derived thyroid has been around since 1890.

00:21:05.000 We have compounded it for over a decade. 0.99

00:21:08.000 I have had not one adverse event in a day, not fucking one. 0.97

00:21:13.000 We sit we ship 6,000 bottles of medication a day at my pharmacy revive. 0.95

00:21:19.000 We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade.

00:21:24.000 Big pharma has lobbied the FDA to say these thyroid medicines are dangerous.

00:21:29.000 We need you to shut down animal derived thyroids.

00:21:32.000 Why?

00:21:33.000 Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine, and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic.

00:21:38.000 Why would you label it as a biologic?

00:21:41.000 Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug because it's not a drug.

00:21:50.000 I'm selling you a biologic.

00:21:52.000 So now I can bin you over the barrel and screw you again on the price. 0.98

00:21:56.000 Here's where it runs even deeper.

00:21:58.000 This is where it gets crazy.

00:22:00.000 A patent on a drug is usually five years.

00:22:03.000 Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic? 0.99

00:22:06.000 Twelve fucking years. 0.96

00:22:09.000 So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics. 0.98

00:22:22.000 They want GLP ones as biologics.

00:22:24.000 They want HCG as biologics. 0.78

00:22:27.000 They want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic, and that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies.

00:22:42.000 Because the third part of the equation is you cannot compound a biologic.

00:22:47.000 The FDA's stance is it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic.

00:22:53.000 So now you give a monopoly to big pharma, you get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs.

00:23:04.000 If you want to reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition.

00:23:09.000 And we saw it with the GLP ones. 0.98

00:23:12.000 The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market. 0.99

00:23:21.000 People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1,300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted. 0.99

00:23:28.000 They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision. 0.96

00:23:35.000 There's a two billion dollar lawsuit against these scumbags right now. 0.93

00:23:38.000 And I'm sorry, I've I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be like politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it. 0.99

00:23:46.000 Like this is insane.

00:23:48.000 And I go back to if RFK and and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened.

00:23:54.000 So I text the texted the secretary and his team, and I said, I have to ring the bell on something, and I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made, and the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about.

00:24:09.000 This is the problem with having 70,000 employees.

00:24:12.000 They're a legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years, that they're gonna do what you let them do. 0.94

00:24:21.000 And their offense is you run the big pharma offense. 0.54

00:24:25.000 We're gonna we're gonna obstruct compounders, we're gonna prevent telemedicine, we're gonna push people back to sick care, we're gonna launch drugs into the marketplace.

00:24:34.000 And let's look at the history of safety, Joe.

00:24:36.000 If we look at again, I'm I'm gonna keep hammering on Lily. 0.99

00:24:39.000 Lily in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a at a federal judge is suing Mochi for using GLP ones for weight loss, and their claim is you are violating our patent, which you're not, because it's patient unique.

00:24:54.000 You are uh, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body, and you didn't create the peptide, the NIH did, our taxpayer dollars, because we fund the NIH.

00:25:02.000 That's where all of these originated.

00:25:04.000 Out of the last there's so much, but uh out of the last two hundred and ten blockbuster drugs, between two thousand ten and I think two thousand sixteen, two hundred and ten blockbuster drugs.

00:25:15.000 How many of those do you think big pharma started at big pharma versus started at the NIH?

00:25:21.000 Ooh.

00:25:22.000 I bet most of them started at an NIH.

00:25:25.000 One hundred percent of the compounds that became blockbuster drugs had their roots at the NIH.

00:25:32.000 So taxpayer funded, and then these pharmaceutical drug companies get a monopoly on them. 0.97

00:25:38.000 Boom. 0.98

00:25:39.000 And then we get rammed in the ass for the next if they get what they want the next 12 years. 0.99

00:25:44.000 And we fund it. 0.99

00:25:45.000 100%.

00:25:46.000 And the so the FDA, my argument to the FDA is a scam.

00:25:46.000 Wow.

00:25:50.000 It's nuts.

00:25:51.000 And my argument to the FDA in this meeting was these compounds are safe.

00:25:51.000 What a scam.

00:25:55.000 One, they're safe.

00:25:56.000 They're they're naturally occurring in nature.

00:25:59.000 They're prescribed under the supervision of a board-certified clinician.

00:26:02.000 They're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right?

00:26:08.000 That you've inspected me three times in 18 months.

00:26:11.000 All of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lily and all of the big pharma pharmaceutical cartels.

00:26:21.000 We all buy the ingredients from the same places.

00:26:24.000 The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people.

00:26:39.000 Ask Big Pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny of the FDA.

00:26:46.000 They don't want you in their factories.

00:26:47.000 They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash.

00:26:55.000 Right?

00:26:56.000 I can't play by those rules.

00:26:57.000 I can't jockey that.

00:26:58.000 The state of Texas is currently Suing Eli Lilly.

00:27:01.000 This came out.

00:27:02.000 Kim Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers, and this is important too.

00:27:11.000 If you have a clinician and you go to your doctor, and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand you, the patient get to decide where that prescription goes.

00:27:22.000 Not your doctor.

00:27:23.000 That is not your doctor's decision. 1.00

00:27:25.000 So when a doctor says, I'm not gonna let you go to a compounding pharmacy, you need to fire that fucking doctor. 0.99

00:27:31.000 That is not their choice. 0.99

00:27:32.000 They cannot force you to go pay $1,300 at CVS.

00:27:35.000 That is not their choice.

00:27:37.000 And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say we're not gonna prescribe compounded medicines on GLP ones, you've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous.

00:27:50.000 Where is this coming from?

00:27:52.000 Where it in this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine.

00:28:01.000 So they're not just attacking the compounding process, they're also trying to obstruct via the FDA, and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice, and Lily is challenging that telemedicine is legal.

00:28:19.000 Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost effective care is telemedicine.

00:28:29.000 And Lily thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lily launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in. 0.99

00:28:39.000 But in the meantime, they're claiming that that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine.

00:28:44.000 They just want full monopoly.

00:28:46.000 A hundred percent.

00:28:47.000 So what can be done?

00:28:48.000 We're doing it.

00:28:49.000 Like candidly, we're doing so I leave that first meeting with the FDA.

00:28:54.000 I I get that message from this individual at the FDA, and I thought, I'm gonna wait and see.

00:28:58.000 Uh I hope this person's wrong.

00:29:00.000 Um, let's see what happens.

00:29:03.000 And uh when we were in Europe, I get a call uh from another source that said, Hey, they're they're doing it.

00:29:10.000 They're in a court document.

00:29:11.000 The FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would ineffectively, in effect, ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded.

00:29:24.000 Now remember, they already put I think over a dozen peptides on a bulk's list a year ago.

00:29:30.000 That's all separate from the GLP one.

00:29:32.000 Why did they do that?

00:29:34.000 Because of the lobby of big pharma.

00:29:36.000 You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA who have legacy relationships with big pharma.

00:29:44.000 We've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA and then gone.

00:29:50.000 It's a revolving door. 0.99

00:29:52.000 They're sought they're swapping spit, they're lobbying together, they're going to dinners together, they're spending time together, and the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass. 0.99

00:30:01.000 I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS, and their phone kept ringing. 0.98

00:30:07.000 I swear to God, kept ringing, and they looked at their phone and they go, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.

00:30:15.000 And all of this was happening in the dark.

00:30:18.000 And so what we can do is what we're doing.

00:30:20.000 This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA.

00:30:28.000 And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing whack-a-mole, you know, because it's you got to think, it's not just the FDA, it's the CDC, it's the NIH, 80,000 employees.

00:30:40.000 I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration.

00:30:43.000 You got you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians. 0.72

00:30:47.000 You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted.

00:30:53.000 And I'm not there to say all those people are bad.

00:30:55.000 There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations.

00:31:00.000 But there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s, where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules.

00:31:10.000 And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs.

00:31:14.000 And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders, and you're not reading the emails from compounders, right?

00:31:22.000 And so when I told the FDA what made you decide this backlog was over, they said, well, industry told us they could meet the need.

00:31:30.000 And I said, okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need?

00:31:36.000 Less than 6% of prescriptions were available.

00:31:39.000 They cannot meet the need.

00:31:41.000 They're going to force people to hire dosages, and it's going to cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people.

00:31:47.000 And it's going to bankrupt our systems.

00:31:49.000 Did you not see these emails?

00:31:50.000 And they just sat there dead quiet.

00:31:52.000 And so, jump forward, I get win that in a court document, and it's all in it's all in secret, right? 1.00

00:31:58.000 All this shit happens in the shadows, and then they play dumb. 1.00

00:32:02.000 Oh, we didn't know. 1.00

00:32:03.000 What do you mean?

00:32:04.000 We didn't understand.

00:32:05.000 We we that's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy. 1.00

00:32:08.000 Bullshit. 0.99

00:32:09.000 It's a court document that sets precedent. 1.00

00:32:11.000 And that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity, while at the same time you have big pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides is biologics that we were already making for the last decade. 0.96

00:32:22.000 Jesus. 0.94

00:32:23.000 Is it about safety?

00:32:25.000 Is it about safety?

00:32:26.000 Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides.

00:32:35.000 And that's what Lily's Lily in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events, and the judge said, Where are they?

00:32:45.000 And Lily said, right here in this Reddit forum.

00:32:48.000 I swear to God.

00:32:49.000 Oh my God.

00:32:50.000 And the judge said forum.

00:32:51.000 Are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum?

00:32:57.000 You should send them to the Flat Earth Reddit Forum.

00:33:00.000 Let's see what else is going on.

00:33:02.000 So that's just like a sliver, Joe. 0.99

00:33:04.000 Like a fucking sliver of what I've been living. 0.97

00:33:06.000 One of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good. 0.99

00:33:11.000 That's one of my favorite narratives.

00:33:12.000 One of my favorite narratives, whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government organization, is that we are trying to protect people from harm. 0.95

00:33:18.000 They're fucking never, no one is trying to protect you. 0.98

00:33:22.000 Everyone at every level of the government, whether it is about climate change, whether it's about geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:33:32.000 It is all about money. 0.80

00:33:33.000 There's not a single thing that you could point to.

00:33:36.000 Well, the government really cares here.

00:33:38.000 This is the one.

00:33:39.000 This this one is a large, a huge corrupted organization that really cares.

00:33:44.000 When you can historically go back.

00:33:44.000 Like there's not one.

00:33:46.000 Of course.

00:33:47.000 Like that's where it's like I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

00:33:50.000 I know people want to label it as that.

00:33:52.000 If you go back, the FDA's predecessor, I think was the Food Something Act of 1901.

00:33:58.000 And as they went to try and create this organization, industry assembled, whose industry?

00:34:04.000 Big chemical, big food, big pharma.

00:34:07.000 Well, Rockefeller literally set the tone for the entire medical establishment in this country by using petroleum-based medicine.

00:34:15.000 You got it.

00:34:16.000 And people don't know this.

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 Like most of your medicines in this country are formulated with the use of petroleum.

00:34:25.000 And that is because of Rockefeller.

00:34:27.000 Because he had a monopoly on that.

00:34:27.000 Yep.

00:34:31.000 And that's why the side effect profile is higher.

00:34:33.000 And that's why peptides don't have any of these things.

00:34:36.000 Again, we're synthesizing short chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in.

00:34:42.000 And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization of peptides.

00:34:56.000 And big pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch and they're scrambling to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector.

00:35:05.000 And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and the administration and pretend like they're going to play the game, but they're not going to play the game.

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00:36:48.000 I've talked to him.

00:36:49.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 It's no way.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:51.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 With the way that guy's mind works, there's no way he's absorbing all this. 0.98

00:36:56.000 So the message that Secretary Kennedy gave me, and this is where I'm like, it isn't woo-woo, it isn't bullshit. 0.79

00:37:02.000 I can tell you I've texted that guy two times in my life, and both times he's called me within 10 minutes.

00:37:08.000 And I texted him, I said, I have an emergency.

00:37:11.000 This is a big deal.

00:37:12.000 I want to make you aware of something that's happening at the FDA.

00:37:15.000 And he called me and said, What's going on? 0.99

00:37:17.000 And I laid it out for him, and he said, What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:37:21.000 Basically. 0.99

00:37:22.000 I had no idea.

00:37:23.000 And it's not it.

00:37:25.000 He's again, he's playing whack-a-mole.

00:37:27.000 He's got five hundred fires.

00:37:28.000 You've got some legacy employee at the FDA that's going to try and make this statement in a court document that's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy.

00:37:37.000 Right.

00:37:37.000 And then even in the f subsequent meetings, so RFK said, give me 10 minutes.

00:37:41.000 Ten minutes later, I'm on calls with the FDA.

00:37:45.000 Then he's like, How soon can you come meet with the FDA again?

00:37:48.000 So we said an emergency conference call.

00:37:50.000 I do a call with the FDA.

00:37:51.000 He said again, his his second Secretary Kennedy's team said, they're gonna approach this with an open mind and an open heart, and they're gonna have there it's gonna be a different tone than the last meeting.

00:38:03.000 And I'm gonna try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call.

00:38:07.000 Okay.

00:38:08.000 The call went down at like eight in the morning when he was in Alaska, and then another mole leaked to me.

00:38:14.000 Because I have moles.

00:38:15.000 I'm playing I'm playing the game they play now. 1.00

00:38:17.000 I'm not gonna fuck around. 0.98

00:38:19.000 And my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it, and that call did not go well. 0.99

00:38:26.000 It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying we're gonna we're gonna stay the course, we're not opening peptides up to the American people.

00:38:34.000 And so I had to text his team and go, hey, I the call didn't go well.

00:38:38.000 And then they're they're like R Intel's telling us the same thing.

00:38:42.000 And so he stepped in and said, This is a mandate.

00:38:45.000 We are not going to dictate to the American people that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides.

00:38:52.000 This is a mandate.

00:38:54.000 You need to figure this out, and we need to open accessibility, and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere.

00:39:07.000 We're gonna have another opioid crisis.

00:39:10.000 I explained this to them too.

00:39:11.000 Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross-contamination.

00:39:25.000 Or if they're even real.

00:39:26.000 Yeah.

00:39:27.000 I've had people buy Ipamoralin of online, and you know that that's a peptide that when you do it, it has a very strong reaction, like you feel it in your body.

00:39:36.000 Like immediately after there's nothing.

00:39:38.000 They get nothing. 1.00

00:39:38.000 I'm like, well, yeah, it's probably bullshit. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:41.000 You're buying bullshit peptides. 1.00

00:39:43.000 But the point is, like if Kennedy is not aware of all this, there's no way Trump is. 0.99

00:39:47.000 Yeah.

00:39:48.000 No, they have too many things they're fighting.

00:39:48.000 He cannot be.

00:39:50.000 He's literally involved in Rwanda having like peace talks with with uh with enemies that have been enemies for 20, 30 years, trying to bring them to the table. 0.98

00:40:04.000 All the shit that's going on with Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the shit that's going on with Ukraine and Russia. 0.97

00:40:11.000 Do you think he even understands peptides? 1.00

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:14.000 Like, look at 'em.

00:40:15.000 Well, the healthcare system's complicated, it's nuanced.

00:40:18.000 And the challenge is you have some of the best litigators and attorneys in the world on payroll for these big pharmaceutical cartels.

00:40:27.000 Of course.

00:40:28.000 And they fund 60% of the FDA and the history of the FDA is that it I've I've said over and over again it's captured, but the truth is all of these organizations were born in captivity.

00:40:40.000 They were born in captivity.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 That's the craziest thing.

00:40:45.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer.

00:40:48.000 Well they're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning.

00:40:51.000 I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's gotta go, all these people.

00:40:55.000 But the truth is, last week they announced the approval ratings, and RFK is up seven points in the approval rate, the highest rating of any elected official.

00:41:04.000 The American people are not turning on RFK.

00:41:06.000 Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle.

00:41:11.000 You lost legacy employees. 1.00

00:41:13.000 You lost this dude wearing sex gear and shit on covers of magazines. 1.00

00:41:19.000 Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate your kids. 1.00

00:41:22.000 Nobody's saying not to.

00:41:24.000 There's no reason.

00:41:25.000 I know, but what they all they're saying right now is babies.

00:41:28.000 All they're saying right now is we don't want to keep mandating without science.

00:41:31.000 Yes without evidence.

00:41:32.000 And we want to understand is there a potential risk of side effects when we hit a child with this many vaccines before the age of two.

00:41:41.000 Did you see the conversation that uh Kennedy had where he was talking about um well they were talking about measles?

00:41:48.000 And he said, We have had four deaths from measles in the last twenty years.

00:41:53.000 Do you know how many cases of autism that we've had?

00:41:57.000 And he he rattled off that like the numbers.

00:41:59.000 Yeah you know in California it's literally one in twelve boys now?

00:42:03.000 Yep.

00:42:04.000 Do you know how in Captain?

00:42:05.000 He said that at the uh at the Texas legislature when Abbott signed off on the bills that I helped testify to.

00:42:10.000 But yet you're having guys like Bernie Sanders who doesn't know I look listen.

00:42:15.000 I'm an old school Bernie bro.

00:42:16.000 I love Bernie.

00:42:17.000 I love the idea of Bernie.

00:42:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:19.000 Bernie doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. 0.99

00:42:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Bernie didn't know what the fuck he was talking about when it came to climate change. 1.00

00:42:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:24.000 It's a real thing. 0.99

00:42:25.000 Climate change is definitely happening.

00:42:27.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:42:28.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:42:29.000 Has the climate ever been static?

00:42:31.000 Like when you like confront him on the details, he really doesn't know what he's doing.

00:42:34.000 To me, what's frustrating is narratives.

00:42:36.000 Yes, their narratives.

00:42:38.000 What we've done with vaccines is stop all the diseases.

00:42:42.000 Okay, are are you sure?

00:42:44.000 Do you really know that?

00:42:45.000 Have you ever looked at the history of the eradication of diseases and the introduction of sanitation, running water?

00:42:54.000 Have you looked at any of that stuff?

00:42:56.000 Nutrition vitamins built in any of that stuff.

00:42:58.000 Do you know anything about polio for real?

00:43:01.000 When I tell people the polio statistic that 95 to 99% of polio is asymptomatic, it's one of my favorite questions. 1.00

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:09.000 I'm like, what percentage of polio?

00:43:11.000 You know, dangerous.

00:43:12.000 Do you also follow that so the DDT story?

00:43:15.000 Boom. 0.99

00:43:16.000 So you do know that the CDC, this is a this is these are there's so many fucking crazy stories. 0.92

00:43:22.000 The CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread. 0.69

00:43:27.000 Okay, and the first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria.

00:43:39.000 And they spread a array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity and did all these things.

00:43:47.000 That was the foundation of the CDC. 0.99

00:43:50.000 And where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit. 0.99

00:43:54.000 Do you know how this where the CDC's headquarters is? 0.99

00:43:57.000 Their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted to them by Coca-Cola. 0.98

00:44:02.000 The CDC to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by Coca-Cola. 0.95

00:44:09.000 And in a FOIA request, there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC, I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca-Cola and saying they're gonna do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar. 0.98

00:44:28.000 Oh it runs so deep. 0.94

00:44:31.000 And then you go to the EPA. 0.97

00:44:33.000 What the EPA and its relationships with Monsanto, the EPA in a FOIA request, one of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents, literally sent an email saying if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal. 0.99

00:44:52.000 All of this shit's out there. 0.57

00:44:53.000 I put all of it on the website, you can go find all of this stuff. 0.99

00:44:57.000 And so systematically, FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH.

00:44:57.000 It is there.

00:45:03.000 Every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry.

00:45:10.000 And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people, there's a big podcast that dropped that if anyone it it's it gets into antidepressants.

00:45:20.000 And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides because you're gonna have academia go, well, the difference is drugs are investigated and peptides aren't, and there's no placebo controlled double blind studies.

00:45:32.000 One, there are, there's a lot, and we can systematically break that down too.

00:45:36.000 They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process because that cost two billion dollars.

00:45:40.000 Well, who established two billion dollars to bring a drug to market?

00:45:44.000 What a great way to be a gateway.

00:45:46.000 Boom.

00:45:47.000 It was established by big pharma.

00:45:49.000 Big pharma told the FDA, let's build this model, right?

00:45:54.000 So then they capture the molecule at the NIH level, bring it to phase two and three trials, bring it into human trials.

00:46:02.000 The cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be.

00:46:05.000 And then it's a pay-to-play system, and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process.

00:46:29.000 I can't afford two billion dollars.

00:46:31.000 And so what you've given Big Pharma is the keys to the Ferrari, and they control all the Ferraris that hit the marketplace.

00:46:39.000 But then they co-opt and corrupt the data.

00:46:41.000 So here's an example.

00:46:43.000 When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the evidence.

00:46:47.000 I worked for Eli Lilly.

00:46:50.000 I that was my first job out of college.

00:46:52.000 We sold antipsychotic drug Zyprexa.

00:46:55.000 Patients would come in and doctors would say, Brigham, I don't know what's going on, dude. 0.97

00:47:00.000 This lady put on 30 fucking pounds in like a literally a month. 1.00

00:47:04.000 This is not good. 0.99

00:47:05.000 There's something going on here.

00:47:07.000 And so when we go back to the main goal, safety.

00:47:11.000 Where was safety on that drug?

00:47:13.000 Out of twelve blockbuster drugs in the last, I think 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, ten of them have black box warnings.

00:47:22.000 Black box the most the harshest warning you can get.

00:47:26.000 The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data, and the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multifaceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking, and how do all these impact each other?

00:47:46.000 Average Americans on four or more prescription drugs.

00:47:48.000 All right, so I want to lay out for the antidepressant because this one's crazy.

00:47:53.000 Do you do you how do you how do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders?

00:48:01.000 And I'm not, I want to be clear.

00:48:02.000 I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist, and I'm not saying that there is not a medical uh issue with patients.

00:48:09.000 Well, it's all completely subjective.

00:48:11.000 It's not like a test that they can give you, like do you have syphilis?

00:48:14.000 Correct.

00:48:15.000 There is no blood test.

00:48:16.000 Right.

00:48:16.000 There is no brain test.

00:48:17.000 Right.

00:48:17.000 There's no chemical brain test.

00:48:19.000 Well, not only that, let's let's be really clear.

00:48:21.000 The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is some sort of a chemical imbalance has been disproven.

00:48:29.000 So it's even in autopsies.

00:48:29.000 Correct.

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:31.000 It's not real.

00:48:32.000 Even in autopsies.

00:48:33.000 That and you know who perpetuated and created that narrative was Big Pharma.

00:48:37.000 Of course.

00:48:38.000 Big pharma created that narrative, sold that story.

00:48:41.000 It was never a serotonin deficiency.

00:48:43.000 There's zero evidence to show that.

00:48:45.000 So the screening tool we use to tell you if your child has ADHD was developed by a doctor in the 70s who was a consultant for Ritalin.

00:48:55.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:48:56.000 Now, jump to the 90s.

00:48:58.000 Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain.

00:49:12.000 The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer, a doctor who worked for Pfizer, developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe An antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.

00:49:35.000 They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set the the everything.

00:49:39.000 But there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is just a questionnaire.

00:49:45.000 So it's totally subjective.

00:49:46.000 So what what is this questionnaire?

00:49:48.000 Can we take it and find out if I need pills?

00:49:49.000 Yeah.

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:50.000 Let's take it right now.

00:49:51.000 I can tell you had it.

00:49:52.000 Should we take it?

00:49:52.000 Yeah, let's take it.

00:49:53.000 Let's take it.

00:49:54.000 I want to see if I need pills.

00:49:55.000 Let's see.

00:49:56.000 That'd be hilarious.

00:49:56.000 Hold on.

00:49:58.000 I've never met a single person that's depressed that has a great life.

00:50:02.000 Is that weird?

00:50:03.000 I never met a single person that's healthy, has a family where everyone's doing well.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:09.000 They have a good career that they enjoy it. 0.99

00:50:10.000 Well, that's why when what's that dipshit? 0.99

00:50:12.000 Covert's like, it's multifaceted in healthcare. 1.00

00:50:15.000 Yeah, dumbass. 1.00

00:50:16.000 It is who is that? 1.00

00:50:17.000 Uh Cobert, uh the Cobain report guy with it.

00:50:21.000 He just attacked Maha a few weeks ago and was like, yeah, he's saying that to try and go after food and the drug companies is insane.

00:50:29.000 And so if you follow even depression, he looks super healthy.

00:50:31.000 I like to see him in underwear.

00:50:33.000 When if you follow depression, when did we skyrocket in depression?

00:50:36.000 When did depression skyrocket?

00:50:38.000 It skyrocketed in the eighties.

00:50:39.000 What happened in the eighties?

00:50:41.000 We moved to an ultra-processed food diet.

00:50:43.000 There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect.

00:50:55.000 We're all gonna go through highs and lows, we're all gonna have tough times.

00:50:58.000 But when we're systematically chronically inflamed and poisoning our bodies through our food systems, you're exhausted and depressed.

00:51:05.000 And it leads to all these I don't have I don't have cell in here. 0.99

00:51:08.000 I'm trying to see what you get exhausted and depressed if I eat a bowl of fucking fruit loops. 0.99

00:51:15.000 I mean, think think about it. 0.99

00:51:17.000 As healthy as I am.

00:51:20.000 ADHD self-report scale.

00:51:22.000 That's the ADHD.

00:51:23.000 Alright, let's try this one though, because I'm pretty sure I have this.

00:51:25.000 How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final details of a project once the challenging parts have been done?

00:51:32.000 I'm kind of I don't really qualify for that one.

00:51:35.000 Never. 0.97

00:51:36.000 I get shit done. 0.98

00:51:37.000 Okay. 0.99

00:51:38.000 One out of five, I guess.

00:51:39.000 It's never to very often. 0.97

00:51:41.000 If it's a project, if I get shit done. 0.85

00:51:44.000 Okay. 0.96

00:51:44.000 How often, but that's just a decision that I've made. 0.96

00:51:47.000 I know you gotta give me a score.

00:51:48.000 We have to score you at the never.

00:51:49.000 Okay.

00:51:50.000 How often do you have difficulty getting things in order once you have a task that requires organization?

00:51:55.000 Oh yeah, I got I have a problem getting things in order.

00:51:58.000 Um often.

00:52:00.000 Let's go with often on that one.

00:52:01.000 How often do you have a problem remembering appointments or obligations?

00:52:06.000 Sometimes.

00:52:07.000 Let's say sometimes with that one.

00:52:09.000 Um when you have but that's just overwhelming. 0.99

00:52:12.000 I'm just overwhelmed with shit going on. 0.69

00:52:15.000 When you have a task that requires a lot of thought, how often do you avoid or delay getting started? 0.99

00:52:22.000 Uh sometimes.

00:52:23.000 Let's say sometimes.

00:52:24.000 Um how often do you fidget or squirm with your hands and feet when you have to sit down for a long time?

00:52:30.000 Often.

00:52:31.000 Um how often do you feel overly active and compelled to do things like you were driven by a motor?

00:52:37.000 Uh always very how often do you make careless mistakes when you have to work on a boring or difficult project?

00:52:46.000 That's not applicable.

00:52:48.000 I don't have any boring or difficult projects, careless mistakes.

00:52:53.000 Um what are the what are the options again?

00:52:56.000 Uh let's say rarely.

00:52:58.000 Okay, they have the depression test the PHQ nine.

00:53:01.000 Sorry.

00:53:02.000 Okay, but let's just go through this real quick.

00:53:04.000 Uh how often do you have difficulty keeping your attention doing boring repetitive work?

00:53:08.000 We did that.

00:53:08.000 Uh how how often do you have difficulty concentrating on what people say to you even when they are speaking to you directly?

00:53:15.000 Well, it depends on the person.

00:53:16.000 If it's you, no problem at all. 0.99

00:53:18.000 But if it's someone who's saying some boring shit, yeah. 0.98

00:53:23.000 So what's the middle one? 0.99

00:53:25.000 Sometimes.

00:53:26.000 Let's go with sometimes.

00:53:28.000 Uh curr.

00:53:30.000 Uh how often do you misplace or have difficulty finding things at home or work?

00:53:36.000 I'd say often with that one.

00:53:38.000 How often are you distracted by activity or noise around you?

00:53:41.000 Often.

00:53:43.000 How often do you leave your seat in meetings or other situations where you're expected to remain seating?

00:53:47.000 Never.

00:53:48.000 How often do you feel restless or fidgety?

00:53:51.000 Often.

00:53:52.000 How often do you have di difficulty unwinding and relaxing when you have time to yourself?

00:53:57.000 Always.

00:53:58.000 I always have difficulty.

00:54:00.000 What's the most one with that?

00:54:01.000 Very often.

00:54:02.000 Very often.

00:54:03.000 Very often with that.

00:54:05.000 Um how often do you find yourself take uh talking too much when you're in social situations?

00:54:12.000 What?

00:54:13.000 Probably I don't know.

00:54:15.000 What's too much?

00:54:16.000 I my social situations are all with professional talkers.

00:54:20.000 That's a weird one.

00:54:21.000 Uh I don't think I well, because I do podcasts a lot, I'm pretty good at like not talking too much.

00:54:28.000 So what's the the options again?

00:54:31.000 Rarely.

00:54:31.000 Let's say rarely, because I'm pretty good at that.

00:54:34.000 But it does happen.

00:54:35.000 When you're in a conversation, how often do you find yourself finishing the sentences of people you're talking to before they can finish?

00:54:40.000 Again, depends on who I'm talking to. 0.99

00:54:42.000 If I'm talking to a fucking moron and then they're laying things out to me that are like super obvious, but they're going really slowly. 1.00

00:54:49.000 I'm like, let's go pick it up. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Yep, I got it.

00:54:52.000 Got it.

00:54:53.000 So it depends.

00:54:55.000 Sometimes, what are the options again?

00:54:58.000 Never rarely, sometimes often very often.

00:55:02.000 Uh rarely. 1.00

00:55:03.000 Let's say rarely, because I've rarely talked to morons. 0.99

00:55:06.000 How often do you have difficulty waiting your turn in situations when turn taking is required? 0.99

00:55:12.000 Difficulty.

00:55:14.000 Like what would I be doing then as turn?

00:55:16.000 No.

00:55:17.000 No, I don't really have a problem with that.

00:55:18.000 How often do you gotta think too?

00:55:20.000 This is they're asking children this, which is gonna be a lot.

00:55:25.000 This is the adult.

00:55:26.000 Okay.

00:55:26.000 How often do you interrupt others when they're busy?

00:55:31.000 Again, I got a weird life.

00:55:32.000 So that doesn't really come up.

00:55:34.000 I'm not interrupting any, I'm not like showing up at someone's work and interrupting them.

00:55:37.000 So that's never.

00:55:40.000 Let's find out.

00:55:40.000 That's it.

00:55:40.000 Okay.

00:55:42.000 Do I have a problem?

00:55:44.000 So here's where this gets wild, though.

00:55:46.000 So now look back retrospectively.

00:55:48.000 Uh-huh.

00:55:49.000 Okay.

00:55:49.000 When I when I was a Lily rep and they're talking about Prozac, and we're gonna cure depression, and depressions caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain.

00:55:57.000 We now know all that's hogwash.

00:55:59.000 We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects.

00:56:05.000 In their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52-point depression scale, SSRIs score two points higher than placebo.

00:56:20.000 Two points higher.

00:56:22.000 It's not statistically relevant.

00:56:23.000 It fails to differentiate statistically from placebo.

00:56:27.000 There are two things that do differentiate from placebo.

00:56:30.000 Exercise is five times more potent than placebo or an antidepressant in studies.

00:56:36.000 Red light therapy is even higher, two times higher than any antidepressant that's ever hit the market.

00:56:43.000 But now you've put a person in a chemical strait jacket where you have wrecked their system.

00:56:48.000 You have now created more harm than good.

00:56:51.000 And so, step one in medicine, do no harm, right?

00:56:55.000 Step one for the FDA, make sure these drugs are safe.

00:56:58.000 They're not safe.

00:57:00.000 Even even there's there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts, because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seeing in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs.

00:57:18.000 Because it numbs the emotions.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:20.000 It shuts down the emotional response.

00:57:23.000 It damages relationships.

00:57:25.000 These are catastrophic things that you're giving these people for what?

00:57:29.000 They're also connected to almost every school shooter.

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:33.000 You said it.

00:57:34.000 Yeah.

00:57:35.000 And that's something that no one wants to say.

00:57:37.000 No one wants to talk about.

00:57:38.000 No one in the news wants to talk about it.

00:57:40.000 You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's like some statistical thing that you can look at and say, wow, this is kind of crazy that this one particular medication is involved in almost every mass shooting.

00:57:52.000 And when you say mass shootings, like here's the thing that gets thrown around about when we talk about mass shootings.

00:57:58.000 Mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs.

00:58:05.000 You have gang, like what happens in Chicago every weekend.

00:58:10.000 Like last weekend in Chicago, 54 people got shot.

00:58:13.000 People say, Trump is doing a terrible thing, bringing the National Guard...

00:58:17.000 Ask the people of Chicago if that's terrible.

00:58:20.000 If if you want this to continue, like, do you have a better solution? 0.98

00:58:24.000 If you have a better solution, I I'm not a fa in favor of bringing the National Guard into every fucking city and militarizing America. 0.97

00:58:30.000 No, I think that's terrible. 0.97

00:58:31.000 And the argument against guns is that people are getting shot in Chicago.

00:58:34.000 But if you look at the states that have the highest gun violence, it's the states that have the strictest gun laws.

00:58:40.000 Bad guys are still going to get guns.

00:58:40.000 Yes.

00:58:42.000 Exactly.

00:58:43.000 And so there's that.

00:58:44.000 That's one.

00:58:45.000 Um so this is when but when you're talking about school shootings, that's a different thing.

00:58:52.000 So school shootings get you you you find almost all mentally ill people. 0.50

00:58:57.000 And whatever Phil we don't, you know, you don't have to politicize it, but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication.

00:59:07.000 I mean, every single one of them, all the way back to Columbine.

00:59:10.000 But yet no one brings that up.

00:59:12.000 That seems insane.

00:59:13.000 And that seems completely co-opted. 0.98

00:59:15.000 If you have an industry that is literally sponsoring the fucking news on CNN, literally proudly, not even hiding it, right? 0.98

00:59:24.000 Brought to you. 0.99

00:59:25.000 They want everyone to know that they're sponsoring the news.

00:59:29.000 And you know, the way it's been described to me, uh God, who was it Callie Means?

00:59:35.000 Was saying this is not so that they can sell more drugs on the news.

00:59:35.000 Yeah.

00:59:41.000 This is so that the news doesn't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies.

00:59:46.000 And they don't.

00:59:47.000 They avoid them.

00:59:47.000 They avoid it like the plague.

00:59:49.000 If there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news, like let's say cannabis.

00:59:56.000 Let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting.

01:00:01.000 Do you not think that that would be brought up like fucking full court press on the front page of the New York Post and the New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC, they would start talking about it. 0.95

01:00:11.000 If it was some some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone. 0.98

01:00:15.000 It was like inject testosterone therapy.

01:00:17.000 So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in a hundred percent of school shooters.

01:00:22.000 Jesus Christ.

01:00:23.000 Yeah.

01:00:23.000 They would be feminizing the world.

01:00:25.000 You boys need to eat more soy.

01:00:26.000 We need to get tofu into schools.

01:00:29.000 You know, we need right?

01:00:31.000 We need to stop weightlifting.

01:00:32.000 No more weightlifting, no more coal plunges because they increase testosterone as well. 0.98

01:00:37.000 No more, you know, no more fucking going outside in the sun. 0.97

01:00:41.000 Sunlight gives you vitamin D, vitamin D increases testosterone. 0.99

01:00:46.000 Get out of the sun.

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:47.000 It's causing the big thing.

01:00:49.000 There's a ton of stuff correlating lack of vitamin D to depression.

01:00:53.000 Yes.

01:00:53.000 I mean, there's it's all of these.

01:00:57.000 If you have a low level of vitamin D, you're chronically susceptible to all kinds of pathogens. 1.00

01:01:04.000 Your immune system fucking sucks. 0.99

01:01:06.000 And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics. 1.00

01:01:14.000 So like testifying here at the state level on these Maha bills.

01:01:18.000 Three bills got passed in the state of Texas, Joe.

01:01:20.000 I don't know if you've been following all that.

01:01:22.000 Um, but these bills, I mean, you would think you would think we were asking to like I don't even know. 0.91

01:01:30.000 Like the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy.

01:01:36.000 So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that we were gonna get Maha bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive, and a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry.

01:01:51.000 Uh and we're in industry forward state, and we always want to be an industry for state.

01:01:55.000 But we can make money without killing people.

01:01:57.000 Right.

01:01:57.000 And we can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people.

01:02:00.000 You just can't make the most money.

01:02:02.000 That's the problem with all of it.

01:02:03.000 It's not making money, it's making the most money.

01:02:06.000 And you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue.

01:02:09.000 I'm in favor of capitalism, I think it's awesome. 0.99

01:02:11.000 I think communism sucks.

01:02:13.000 I think you know, socialism is it's contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of, right? 0.99

01:02:18.000 We can I think we'd all agree on that.

01:02:20.000 However, when you have a system that's set up where it has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that.

01:02:27.000 You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-opt the fucking law, co-opt the rules, co-opt the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible.

01:02:38.000 And you're nailing it. 0.96

01:02:39.000 That's big pharma's not really worried that compounders are gonna take away their profits, they're going to hurt their marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right?

01:02:50.000 If if you if there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for twelve years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price?

01:03:00.000 How much can they skyrocket that stock price?

01:03:02.000 Exactly.

01:03:03.000 And that's what it's all about.

01:03:04.000 And this is why people need mushrooms.

01:03:06.000 For real.

01:03:07.000 I'm not kidding.

01:03:08.000 I'm I'm not kidding, because there's there's gonna come a point in time where people realize like there's gotta be a way to abandon this ridiculous mindset that our country is been entrapped by.

01:03:20.000 Yeah.

01:03:21.000 Well, and it's in the state of Texas, how progressive is it that Texas passed that Ibogaine bill.

01:03:25.000 It's amazing.

01:03:26.000 Well, uh kudos to Rick Perry, because him as a Republican former governor championing this is so huge.

01:03:34.000 Because it if he has so many uh alliances with so many different people, they'll go, Well, God, if Rick Perry is saying this.

01:03:41.000 And then on top of that, it's veterans that are being positively affected by this compound, by Ibogaine, by this psychedelic.

01:03:50.000 And to deny veterans is very unAmerican, right?

01:03:54.000 So if you're a Republican, good luck.

01:03:56.000 If you're if you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you, or people that support veterans or organize against you, and not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing.

01:04:15.000 The success rate is so astronomical.

01:04:18.000 So for let's let's talk about that.

01:04:20.000 So for addiction, the success rate is with one experience, it's eighty-three percent successful. 0.98

01:04:29.000 These people never do heroin again, they never take opiates again, they stop drinking, they stop smoking cigarettes, whatever the fuck it is.

01:04:36.000 With two experiences, it's in the nineties. 0.69

01:04:39.000 Yeah.

01:04:40.000 It's something like ninety-four percent.

01:04:42.000 That's insane.

01:04:43.000 There's not a thing like that.

01:04:45.000 That's available.

01:04:45.000 Yeah.

01:04:46.000 There's not if uh a rehab would go out of business.

01:04:49.000 With rehabs, if you know anybody who's been to rehab, very rarely does someone go to rehab once.

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 You know?

01:04:55.000 The most successful uh former alcoholic that I knew, he never went to rehab.

01:05:01.000 He never did anything.

01:05:02.000 He never went to a 12-step program.

01:05:04.000 He crashed his car under a bridge, he got chased by the cops, he got arrested. 1.00

01:05:07.000 He's like, fuck, I'm I'm done. 1.00

01:05:09.000 And he just quit. 1.00

01:05:10.000 He just quit.

01:05:11.000 And he was a lifelong alcoholic.

01:05:13.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:05:15.000 So nuts.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, it's like each place.

01:05:19.000 And to me, all of this.

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:21.000 All of this falls under one giant overarching theme.

01:05:25.000 Medical right to choose.

01:05:27.000 It's I I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally ill or who has nothing to lose.

01:05:38.000 Why would you stop them from using peptides?

01:05:41.000 Why would you stop them from using stem cells?

01:05:43.000 Why would you stop them from using psychedelics?

01:05:45.000 I I asked um Of course, but that's just t I mean, let's not wait until they're almost dead.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 Well, we could get it.

01:05:54.000 Let's not wait for that.

01:05:55.000 And in the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression, astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're gonna see in an SSRI or antidepressants.

01:06:06.000 Not only that, it doesn't kill you at all.

01:06:08.000 But like literally doesn't kill you.

01:06:09.000 Like the LD50 for mushrooms, you're physically can't consume enough to kill half the population.

01:06:14.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 You know, LD50 for people who don't know.

01:06:16.000 The leash of lethal dose uh 50% of the people that test.

01:06:20.000 So, you know, like if you give strychnine to 100 people, pretty much a hundred people are gonna die.

01:06:25.000 And that's where I'm excited because I I do know, and and then Secretary Kennedy did say, please resonate for me that I believe in Americans' right to choose and control their health care journey.

01:06:36.000 And I am a proponent of peptides, stem cells, hyperbaric. 0.95

01:06:40.000 Yeah, uh, and this is why I see all these fucking political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous. 0.97

01:06:44.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:06:45.000 This is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking they're some of them I think thinking they're being a good person.

01:06:51.000 Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news, and they are wrong, they're lost, and they think that they're doing the right thing while also playing ball.

01:07:06.000 Did you see uh Huberman on Bill Maher?

01:07:08.000 Yes, I did.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, did you see where Bill Maher asked him, I think about 20% of what most he this is Bill Maher saying he thinks about most Americans think 90% of what we're told in healthcare is right.

01:07:19.000 Right.

01:07:19.000 Bill says, I think it's about twenty, and he looks at Hebrew and says, What do you think?

01:07:23.000 And he said ten.

01:07:24.000 And then he talked about his buddy who's a high professor at Stanford, said at least at minimal sixty percent of what we've been taught is wrong.

01:07:32.000 That's insane.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 And but the problem is th also textbooks don't get updated.

01:07:37.000 They don't get updated to well, there's always new studies that come out.

01:07:41.000 There's always new information that comes out.

01:07:42.000 If you're a textbook three years ago, like that thing is probably not good anymore when it comes in in certain disciplines.

01:07:49.000 Well, and look at all the botched studies.

01:07:51.000 Like you and I've covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunked.

01:07:55.000 Then you had the women's health initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products that cause a cascade effect of other health issues.

01:08:10.000 But now go to statins.

01:08:12.000 Guess who created the screening tools?

01:08:14.000 And who raised the threshold.

01:08:14.000 Yes.

01:08:17.000 It was all big pharma.

01:08:18.000 And then you go to osteoporosis and osteopenia.

01:08:21.000 Uh nine out of the ten folks who decided that were consultants for industry.

01:08:25.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 Industry, including Merck, who made Fossamax, which was an uh and uh osteoporosis medication over and over and over again.

01:08:34.000 We can systematically go through every element of health care and break down how that system was captured and corrupted.

01:08:41.000 And I'm not saying doctors are bad.

01:08:43.000 Doctors are doing their best to navigate a system, they're being taught in school systems that were built in this ecosystem, and they look at it and go, there's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine.

01:09:02.000 And I'm like, if these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our healthcare system, it's terrifying.

01:09:11.000 Well, that's Peter Hotas, right?

01:09:13.000 Like if you you follow him online and not picking on Peter, but you should.

01:09:21.000 He says you're a bully, but then he tweeted when it's said I'm a bully?

01:09:24.000 Yeah, he said that stuff and on X and stuff in the past.

01:09:26.000 He tweeted.

01:09:27.000 Because I was trying to get him to have a debate.

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:29.000 And then he tweeted.

01:09:31.000 He tweeted after we testified uh an image of uh like a 1950s Batman characters and was like, this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify.

01:09:40.000 And I saw that and I'm like all the jokes the Joker and the Penguin and all this, and I'm like He tweeted that?

01:09:46.000 Yeah, and I was thinking you're the one that looks like the Penguin when he's selling about not taking your advice from you.

01:09:52.000 So I when I exposed him on the show when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health, that was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with.

01:10:03.000 Because people got a chance to see, oh, these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication.

01:10:08.000 People that eat junk food that don't work out, that are overweight, and uh you know, generally unhealthy.

01:10:15.000 Don't take vitamins.

01:10:17.000 You just triggered this thought.

01:10:19.000 Uh when I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about.

01:10:22.000 When I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra processed foods and cokes and soft drinks from food stamps.

01:10:31.000 Because a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra-processed foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty stricken communities.

01:10:42.000 We're just trying to reallocate the resources and and change school lunches and and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training, and mandate that in elementary school through junior high, you get nutritional training.

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 That's what these bills were about.

01:11:00.000 While I'm in the middle of trying to explain to Congressmen and Congresswomen how detrimental a soft drink is, because they don't they don't know.

01:11:00.000 Okay.

01:11:09.000 There I I'm trying to just say, look, the difference between a s very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream.

01:11:20.000 Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke?

01:11:25.000 And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the Congresswomen holds her Coke up in the microphone, for effect. 0.89

01:11:33.000 And drinks her coke.

01:11:34.000 Wow.

01:11:35.000 And I'm and everyone just busts out laughing.

01:11:38.000 But I'm like, okay, well, the answer is eight to twelve teaspoons of sugar.

01:11:42.000 And you're giving it to a child.

01:11:44.000 You're giving a child eight to twelve teaspoons of sugar at a time, and then you're wondering why our children are obese.

01:11:52.000 You're wondering why over 70% of Americans are obese.

01:11:56.000 You're wondering why diabetes is at an all-time high or why chronic disease.

01:12:03.000 Did I fail?

01:12:03.000 Yeah, well, you didn't fail, but you do have uh you need to be checked out a little a little further.

01:12:08.000 There you go. 0.98

01:12:09.000 Now imagine if I had a job that sucked. 0.97

01:12:11.000 Yeah. 0.65

01:12:12.000 So if I had a job that sucked, I bet I would have answered very often to most of the ones I was like, nah, those don't apply.

01:12:19.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:12:19.000 So then I would need ADHD medication. 0.88

01:12:21.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 I told you this on the very first podcast.

01:12:25.000 I'm not splitting atoms on the weekends, man.

01:12:27.000 I failed kindergarten.

01:12:29.000 I'm literally dyslexic.

01:12:31.000 I'm ADHD.

01:12:32.000 They wanted me on Ritalin.

01:12:33.000 My parents are like, we don't want to put him on Ritalin.

01:12:35.000 They said he's got to go to pre-first.

01:12:36.000 I was in a class with kids with helmets.

01:12:38.000 Dude.

01:12:39.000 Like, I kid you not.

01:12:40.000 I didn't go to first grade.

01:12:41.000 I went to pre-first.

01:12:42.000 They thought I was mentally handicapped. 0.99

01:12:45.000 And I'm like, sitting in there like, oh man, this sucks. 0.95

01:12:48.000 I remember to this day. 0.77

01:12:49.000 I was like, I don't belong in here.

01:12:52.000 Like, but I just didn't fit in that ecosystem.

01:12:56.000 I was I'm sure I was hyper. 1.00

01:12:57.000 I'm a fucking kid. 0.99

01:12:58.000 Of course I'm hyper now, and I'm a grown man. 1.00

01:13:01.000 I kids it still.

01:13:02.000 You know, I have a new puppy.

01:13:04.000 And um, when you have a puppy, you realize like, oh, this is what kids are like.

01:13:09.000 Like this puppy is insane.

01:13:11.000 So I have Marshall who's out here today.

01:13:13.000 So Marshall's almost nine, and Marshall's really chill.

01:13:16.000 I mean, he's got plenty of energy, super healthy, runs around, gets a lot of exercise in. 0.99

01:13:22.000 But this fucking puppy is off the rails. 0.99

01:13:26.000 This but there's I have videos of them playing. 1.00

01:13:28.000 Like Marshall will pick up a toy, and then like Charlie would come over and try to grab the toy.

01:13:33.000 He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving underneath him, biting his face, the rolling around. 0.75

01:13:39.000 He's insane.

01:13:40.000 He can't sit down. 1.00

01:13:41.000 And then he crashes, then he wakes up, he pisses and shits, and then he wants to eat, and then he wants to go at it again. 0.99

01:13:46.000 Take that, stick it in a classroom. 0.98

01:13:48.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 That's that's what you're doing with kids.

01:13:51.000 Kids are basically human puppies. 1.00

01:13:53.000 And we're making them sit in these fucking classes. 1.00

01:13:55.000 And some of them, guess what? 1.00

01:13:57.000 Have more fucking energy than the other ones. 0.99

01:13:59.000 And they're more active and they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism. 0.99

01:14:04.000 And those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interests them because they have more energy. 0.94

01:14:11.000 And because they can they can just get they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them.

01:14:17.000 Which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness of the thing that you actually enjoy. 0.94

01:14:23.000 If you have a bunch of things you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any you this you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing, so you're gonna be less effective at it. 0.97

01:14:35.000 Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things and I could just just drag I could just ignore every I'll throw my clothes on the ground. 1.00

01:14:44.000 I don't give a fuck, dude. 1.00

01:14:45.000 I just I could live in a cave and I can I can just like lock down. 0.99

01:14:50.000 But that but that's how you succeed at things.

01:14:53.000 I would have to hyperfocus.

01:14:55.000 Like and I if I if it's something I'm interested in, it's easy.

01:14:58.000 I can hyper focus, I can retain, I have good data recall.

01:15:01.000 If it's something you're interested in.

01:15:03.000 If it's like Ferris Bueller's day off and it's some mundane torture, man.

01:15:10.000 And I can't sit still in this environment.

01:15:13.000 But that's why you're successful.

01:15:15.000 This is what people don't understand.

01:15:16.000 That's a superpower.

01:15:17.000 But I know for the trend.

01:15:19.000 I would have anxiety if I didn't work out.

01:15:21.000 I have anxiety.

01:15:22.000 Like when we were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm like restless, man.

01:15:27.000 And that anxiousness comes out in.

01:15:29.000 To me, that's like going somewhere and not eating.

01:15:31.000 I'm not gonna do that either.

01:15:32.000 Yeah.

01:15:33.000 Like if I go on vacation, I literally bring kettlebells.

01:15:36.000 I have two seventies and two fifties.

01:15:38.000 They travel with me.

01:15:39.000 You put them in a suitcase.

01:15:40.000 I get them like ship ship them to where I'm going, have them delivered. 0.99

01:15:45.000 I don't give a fuck, dude. 0.99

01:15:46.000 I'm working out. 0.99

01:15:48.000 I think Kim Zayn said he did that with that rock. 0.94

01:15:51.000 Did he tell I swear he told me a story he fucking packed that rock that he has people carry?

01:15:56.000 Yeah, for something. 0.97

01:15:56.000 Camp did that? 0.97

01:15:57.000 I remember him telling that story, and I think I got lost.

01:16:00.000 He keeps that rock on the mountain.

01:16:01.000 And I'm like, don't you worry, someone's gonna be a fan of taking it. 0.99

01:16:04.000 It's like, no, the kind of person who would take, it's too much of a pussy to carry it. 1.00

01:16:07.000 Oh my god, that's funny. 1.00

01:16:11.000 It's so hilarious as fucking rock that he carries everywhere. 0.99

01:16:14.000 But but you know, uh you have to stay healthy. 0.99

01:16:18.000 And for me, uh that's my medicine.

01:16:20.000 I'm not if if I was a diabetic and I would say, I'm not taking any insulin.

01:16:24.000 You're a type one diabetic.

01:16:24.000 Well, guess what?

01:16:25.000 You've if you don't take insulin, you're gonna fucking die. 1.00

01:16:27.000 Right? 1.00

01:16:28.000 Unfortunately, you've got bad genes when it comes to the creation of insulin.

01:16:32.000 That's how I am with exercise, man.

01:16:34.000 Like, I'm doing if I take a day off, I'm a maniac.

01:16:37.000 I don't like it.

01:16:38.000 Yeah.

01:16:38.000 I don't like that feeling.

01:16:39.000 I mean, I can take a day off.

01:16:40.000 I can relax.

01:16:41.000 But day two.

01:16:43.000 Day two is like hyper.

01:16:44.000 But it's also the my brain, it's like, hey, what are you doing? 1.00

01:16:47.000 You're gonna you're gonna be a lazy fuck now? 1.00

01:16:48.000 Is that what you're doing? 1.00

01:16:49.000 You're gonna be a fat pussy. 1.00

01:16:50.000 But just that hyper focus and going through a workout, and then you come out the other end, and it's mental. 1.00

01:16:56.000 It's a huge mental reason.

01:16:58.000 And my anxiety goes from an eight, it's creeping up.

01:16:58.000 Gigantic.

01:17:01.000 Now it's an eight, and then I go work out, and it'll be a two.

01:17:04.000 And it's good for everybody.

01:17:05.000 Listen, the nicest people that I know do jujitsu.

01:17:09.000 And I know that sounds crazy. 0.99

01:17:10.000 The nicest people that I know are like regularly yanking on people's elbow joints and fucking tackling them. 0.98

01:17:17.000 Then they're the nicest people I know. 1.00

01:17:19.000 And the reason why they're nice is because they take their fucking medicine. 0.99

01:17:24.000 They take their anti-aggressive medicine. 0.99

01:17:26.000 And the idea that that somehow is bad, and like what we need to do is uh eliminate all masculinity.

01:17:33.000 No, you need to harness it just like everything else.

01:17:36.000 I mean, this is just like the same response that we had to nuclear power.

01:17:38.000 Oh, we have three mile island.

01:17:40.000 Stop the nukes! 0.95

01:17:41.000 No more nukes.

01:17:42.000 We've got a pro no figure how to harness it.

01:17:45.000 We were really bad at gasoline in the 70s. 0.99

01:17:48.000 We put fucking lead in it, and that's why everybody got lead poisoning. 1.00

01:17:52.000 And then we had to come up with unleaded gasoline, which is just don't add lead to it, you fucking assholes. 1.00

01:17:59.000 Don't burn lead and put blast it through the air everywhere you go. 1.00

01:18:04.000 That seems fucking insane. 0.71

01:18:06.000 Well, we had to figure out how to harness it. 0.98

01:18:08.000 Just like we have to figure out how to harness masculinity. 0.98

01:18:10.000 I think we're gonna you brought up lead, and I've been I wanted to get into the one, the state of Texas stuff, but which parallels in and runs into the glyphosate shit. 0.88

01:18:19.000 If you want to talk about that, do you want to I would love to talk about it?

01:18:22.000 Because one of the things is happening.

01:18:23.000 Because I know that they're they've got an alternative to glyphosate that's even worse.

01:18:27.000 Yeah, they do.

01:18:28.000 And so one of the things that's happening is at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food.

01:18:43.000 And they're voting in secret.

01:18:44.000 This is another fuckery moment as part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress.

01:18:50.000 They are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atrazine.

01:19:01.000 And well, we know how well that worked for vaccine manufacturers, so maybe we should try it.

01:19:05.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:19:06.000 And we do know uh let's let's point this out that the company Monsanto that manufactures glyphosate is the same company that created Agent Orange, is the same company that created DDT, is the same company that with Bayer tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims, is the same company that pushed product in the third world nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them.

01:19:30.000 So let's just stop right there.

01:19:32.000 If Satan was a CEO, don't you think you'd be the head of that company?

01:19:35.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:19:36.000 Did you imagine it?

01:19:36.000 But if like if you said, well, there's a company in the world where Satan's the CEO.

01:19:40.000 What what company do you think that would be?

01:19:42.000 And then you had all this evidence, you lay it out.

01:19:43.000 You're like, oh my God, Satan's alive, he's real.

01:19:46.000 Oh, he's killing people with age agent orange.

01:19:48.000 Yeah.

01:19:48.000 And what's crazy is in Europe, they're in in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one-fourth of what they're allowing in the United States.

01:20:00.000 And so the farmers and the lobbyist groups here in the state of Texas.

01:20:04.000 When we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry.

01:20:10.000 Because candidly, it was the land of misfit toys.

01:20:15.000 It's literally me, and I don't mean that derogatory, but it's like it's just a bunch of average Joes testifying against lobbyists. 1.00

01:20:23.000 And so it was me, an 18-year-old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate, my buddy Jason Carp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr. Hyman in the initial uh testimonies.

01:20:34.000 Hold up.

01:20:35.000 There's an 18-year-old girl that's testifying.

01:20:37.000 She's a food expert. 0.98

01:20:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:20:39.000 She's a food advocate because she has been able to cure uh I don't know her exact story, but her she's brilliant. 0.99

01:20:45.000 She's like, she's the Brenda Thernberg of food.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:20:49.000 She had a she's on the polar opposite.

01:20:51.000 But she's a brilliant girl because she was able to cure some of her chronic illness through no longer eating ultra processed foods. 0.99

01:20:58.000 And so now she's uh become an advocate for these things.

01:21:01.000 What do you do you know what illnesses she had? 0.99

01:21:04.000 I don't want to say it.

01:21:04.000 I don't remember.

01:21:05.000 Her name's Grace Price, if you want to.

01:21:07.000 She's only 18.

01:21:08.000 Yeah.

01:21:08.000 That's kind of crazy.

01:21:09.000 She's brilliant. 0.83

01:21:10.000 She killed it. 0.64

01:21:10.000 But here's what happens. 0.64

01:21:12.000 We go to testify.

01:21:13.000 Who shows up?

01:21:14.000 You you exposed this.

01:21:15.000 I think I texted you about it, and then you talked about it on the podcast.

01:21:18.000 The American Heart Association came to testify against us because they didn't want coke and twinkies and soft drinks and ultra processed foods removed from school lunches, snap programs.

01:21:33.000 Well, listen, thank God they're around to set everybody on the right path.

01:21:37.000 Thank God the American Heart Association is there to stand up for Twinkies and Coca-Cola.

01:21:42.000 Which by the way, I enjoy.

01:21:44.000 I mean, if I could just have a day where I didn't think about my health at all, I would love a nice glass of Coca-Cola with a few twinkies.

01:21:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:21:51.000 They're fucking delicious. 0.98

01:21:52.000 But I know if I did that an hour later, I would want to die. 0.99

01:21:57.000 I would feel so bad. 0.99

01:22:00.000 When I do that now, this is the thing that I every now and then I will fuck off and like eating ice cream sundae. 0.99

01:22:05.000 And I feel so bad that I go, how many people feel like this all the time? 0.99

01:22:09.000 How many how many people this is their default state?

01:22:09.000 Exactly.

01:22:12.000 And then you add it to a non-robust body.

01:22:15.000 So you add it to a body that's been sedentary, been eating this stuff forever, so you have this constant cascading effect of inflammation, your fat, your your back hurts, your head or you got brain fog.

01:22:28.000 All day long you're dealing with this, and that's your default. 0.99

01:22:32.000 So what what happens to me for a very brief amount of time, where if I drink a milkshake, I'm like, oh, I feel like shit. 0.99

01:22:39.000 That's their whole life. 0.99

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 And you're describing my dad. 0.53

01:22:43.000 My dad is in that system where he literally just I love him, but he believes in all this bullshit that he's told he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he was younger. 0.93

01:22:57.000 He'd be on four or five meds and they go, Oh, everything's good, everything checked out good. 0.97

01:23:01.000 And he'd come back and go, Yeah, doctor said everything's good.

01:23:03.000 You're on six meds, dude.

01:23:04.000 What do you mean everything's good? 1.00

01:23:05.000 You're on six fucking medications. 0.99

01:23:07.000 My dad is now on twelve prescription medications and ended up in the hospital last weekend because of contraindications in the drugs. 1.00

01:23:16.000 The third leading cause of death in America is medical misdiagnosis.

01:23:20.000 They're like, Dad, come in.

01:23:22.000 We can do a full workup.

01:23:23.000 We can do all of them.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 My I file my parents take vitamins now, finally.

01:23:33.000 It's it and it's like, ah, dude.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, it's weird, man.

01:23:36.000 People don't want to listen to their kids and they don't want to change the path that they're on. 1.00

01:23:40.000 Because then they have to admit their whole life has been kind of stupid. 1.00

01:23:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:44.000 People don't want to admit that. 0.99

01:23:45.000 They don't want to admit that they're a buffoon. 0.96

01:23:47.000 People are so they cling so hard to their identity of being correct. 0.85

01:23:52.000 It's it's too much of what you think of when you think of yourself as your choices and the way you think about things.

01:23:52.000 Yeah.

01:23:58.000 And that's where the industry's done a killer job though, Joe.

01:24:00.000 I know, but for people to that are listening to this, if you find yourself in that little category, really that's the weakness.

01:24:06.000 The weakness is not in admitting that you're admitting you're wrong exposes that you were wrong, and that's weakness.

01:24:13.000 No.

01:24:13.000 The real weakness is not being able to admit that you're wrong.

01:24:17.000 That's the real weakness.

01:24:19.000 Because then you'll look everybody's wrong sometimes.

01:24:21.000 Everybody does something wrong sometimes.

01:24:23.000 It's part of being a human. 0.99

01:24:25.000 Our brains are it depends entirely on the interactions that you've had the day, how much taxes you owe, that you don't think you're gonna be able to pay, your credit card statements, you're fucking blah-buh, your wife hates you. 0.96

01:24:38.000 You think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal you guys got together. 0.98

01:24:43.000 You're all fucking stressed out all the time. 0.98

01:24:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:24:46.000 That's most of us. 0.98

01:24:47.000 People in those these conditions are going to make mistakes.

01:24:50.000 You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct, and you're gonna argue for something that was wrong.

01:24:58.000 And this is we found this a lot during the COVID days.

01:25:00.000 It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit, like, oh, you kind of had a point.

01:25:07.000 There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong, never admitted that this whole thing was like they get caught up in a psyop.

01:25:15.000 But that's weak.

01:25:16.000 You've referred me. 0.94

01:25:18.000 Not just you, just in general, people hearing this, but we have helped so many fucking people with long COVID, vaccine related COVID. 0.60

01:25:29.000 Yeah, let's call it long COVID. 0.92

01:25:30.000 I don't know anybody with long COVID that wasn't vaccinated.

01:25:33.000 One of the people you know.

01:25:35.000 No.

01:25:35.000 I honestly don't.

01:25:35.000 No.

01:25:36.000 No.

01:25:36.000 And one of the people you referred us, who's like a megastar.

01:25:40.000 Uh I didn't get his permission to talk about hits, but I saw I won't say his name, but he he literally sent me a long email saying thank you.

01:25:47.000 He's the best, isn't he?

01:25:49.000 Like he's a real human voice everything is back, like he's been complimented.

01:25:54.000 He's like, I just cannot thank you and your team enough. 0.64

01:25:57.000 I fucking love that guy.

01:25:59.000 I wish we could say his name too, because we can't button. 0.98

01:26:01.000 But I did but easily rolls like tell my story, man.

01:26:04.000 Gell is like telling the man.

01:26:06.000 He's down 200 pounds and not on a GLP one.

01:26:09.000 It's amazing.

01:26:09.000 I want to be clear.

01:26:10.000 He is not on a GLP one.

01:26:10.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 When we met with him, he said, Bubba, I don't want an asterisk next to this.

01:26:12.000 Jelly roll.

01:26:15.000 Yeah.

01:26:16.000 He also threw his phone away.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:19.000 You don't have a phone anymore.

01:26:20.000 He's got an assistant.

01:26:21.000 He calls me from his laptop.

01:26:22.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:26:23.000 FaceTime me from his laptop.

01:26:25.000 No, that's the way to be healthy.

01:26:26.000 It's really, it's real, man.

01:26:27.000 You know?

01:26:28.000 If you can that's another thing that people need to take into consideration when you're talking about mental health.

01:26:28.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 As much as social media is really valuable, I would never advocate for a ban on social media.

01:26:40.000 I think it's really valuable.

01:26:41.000 It's also really bad for you.

01:26:43.000 And it's really bad for you if you're interacting with nameless, faceless people and they're being negative to you. 1.00

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.000 You're being negative to them.

01:26:52.000 And you know, you're arguing about climate or fucking. 0.99

01:26:55.000 I don't even I'm a nobody. 0.97

01:26:56.000 I don't have hardly any, and I don't even use it anymore other than for work because of the political stuff.

01:27:02.000 People are like, you cook, and then they just start attacking you, and I and I'll see that.

01:27:07.000 I'm like, dude, I'm telling you the truth, man.

01:27:09.000 I I get it.

01:27:10.000 You don't like what I have to say, but I'm not lying.

01:27:12.000 I mean, sh tell me where I'm lying.

01:27:14.000 I'm documenting everything.

01:27:15.000 I have the receipts.

01:27:16.000 Yeah, no, I get it too.

01:27:18.000 And what you know what's really funny is when people get mad at you if you criticize the administration.

01:27:23.000 Like, well, this is what you voted for.

01:27:25.000 Like, no, listen. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Fuck face. 1.00

01:27:27.000 Nobody voted for people. 1.00

01:27:28.000 No like maybe maybe a few people thought that like some of the ice raids, the way they're doing it, where they're showing up at Home Depot and just getting hardworking landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico. 0.94

01:27:39.000 Ed Calderon, who's uh an expert in the cartels who was on the other day, he was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two and they've been here for 18 years.

01:27:49.000 So now they're 20 and they don't speak Spanish.

01:27:53.000 But they they're deporting them.

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:55.000 That's my thing. 0.99

01:27:56.000 You can't believe you have to be able to fucking stand your ground on individual topics. 0.98

01:28:00.000 Otherwise, you're not going to be able to do that. 0.99

01:28:02.000 Nobody voted for that.

01:28:03.000 I certainly didn't think that they were going to do that.

01:28:05.000 If they said this is what we're gonna do, you know, all those kids that were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America and have American friends and American jobs.

01:28:13.000 We're gonna send them to Mexico where they don't even speak the language. 1.00

01:28:16.000 Fuck you guys are evil. 1.00

01:28:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:18.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:28:19.000 Well, and then you that what you're describing is literally the messages I get. 1.00

01:28:23.000 You fucking idiot. 1.00

01:28:24.000 This is what you fought for. 1.00

01:28:26.000 Okay, I can tell you right now, Secretary Kennedy is fighting for the things that were hot button topics for me. 0.83

01:28:31.000 He was.

01:28:32.000 He is.

01:28:32.000 That team is.

01:28:33.000 And we are trying to overcall overhaul our food system and all of these different aspects. 0.99

01:28:39.000 He doesn't control the fucking EPA. 0.99

01:28:41.000 Right. 0.99

01:28:42.000 Like, I don't control the I can't control if Congress, and don't get it wrong, it is Republicans and Democrats.

01:28:49.000 But it's gonna take both of them colluding to pass this bill that will give immunity to chemical companies. 0.99

01:28:55.000 And what one of the things I do want to point out, because again, line of sight, and this there's so many whack-a-moles and so much shit. 1.00

01:29:00.000 Donald Trump probably doesn't know this. 0.98

01:29:02.000 One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China.

01:29:09.000 And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from China.

01:29:19.000 But let's get into big chemical.

01:29:21.000 Glyphosate, we have banned, I don't remember the name of the Chinese company, but several states have a ban have banned this major Chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on our food. 0.65

01:29:36.000 Dirty little secret.

01:29:38.000 What percentage of Monsanto's chemicals do you think come from China?

01:29:43.000 A hundred percent.

01:29:44.000 100%. 0.99

01:29:46.000 One hundred fucking percent. 0.99

01:29:49.000 So if you have a concern about national security, maybe we should stop letting Monsanto fucking systematically spray our food with a bunch of Chinese chemicals. 0.99

01:30:01.000 Well, not only that, when ninety-four percent of Americans show glyphosate in their blood, maybe we've got a little bit of an issue. 0.94

01:30:08.000 Well, let's also this is like take the Stephen Colbert approach.

01:30:11.000 It's such a small number, Such a little amount.

01:30:15.000 What are you worried about?

01:30:17.000 Put all your faith in the experts.

01:30:21.000 No.

01:30:22.000 Well, even that, there is a solution, and I don't have all the answers, but we need to re raise the questions.

01:30:27.000 We gotta be able to have the discussions.

01:30:29.000 Well, there's whether we're talking about the question is we have to figure out whether it's possible to do regenerative agriculture through the entire country.

01:30:36.000 Do you know that Putin is trying to do that with Russia?

01:30:39.000 No.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:40.000 Putin is banning uh use of industrial chemicals and agriculture and trying to move this whole country to regenerative farming.

01:30:49.000 Well, so I learned from talking to this farmer.

01:30:53.000 Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great. 1.00

01:30:56.000 But for his country in that regard, like when you're a dictator, one of the things that's gotta be great is you have the ability to go, oh, these people are fucking criminals. 0.99

01:31:04.000 Like, look what they're doing. 0.99

01:31:05.000 Oh, they're fucking over the health of all my people. 0.98

01:31:07.000 They're making it for their own profit. 0.99

01:31:09.000 They're making everyone else unhealthy, and then they're gaslighting everybody, and then they're they're in bed with all these fucking Congress people who they pay off because they they fund their re-election campaigns and they fund their super packs. 0.98

01:31:24.000 That's so powerful, James. 0.98

01:31:25.000 It's so much money.

01:31:26.000 Jamie, can you pull up again?

01:31:28.000 Sorry, is it could you pull up on the Ways to Well website, there's the Senate testimonies.

01:31:32.000 It's big chemical.

01:31:33.000 So where I was going earlier, so I'm so ADHD.

01:31:35.000 No, it's okay. 1.00

01:31:36.000 Where I was going is if you're a good dictator, you go, well, fuck those people. 1.00

01:31:40.000 Yeah, you can fix it. 1.00

01:31:41.000 Not that Putin's a good dictator.

01:31:42.000 You have to say all these things.

01:31:43.000 Yeah.

01:31:44.000 Uh so one one of the things I learned from a farmer, and I don't know farming.

01:31:44.000 I'm just saying.

01:31:48.000 I obviously I'm I'm not I'm not I'm a healthcare guy.

01:31:52.000 I had a farmer tell me that 70% of our glyphosate exposure is because the dry harvesting.

01:31:57.000 So it's it's in the last helm.

01:32:00.000 We spray glyphosate apparently on the crops to dry them out faster, so we can harvest them faster.

01:32:05.000 But that's all in the last week.

01:32:07.000 And if we didn't do that, we would reduce glyphosate exposure by 70%.

01:32:11.000 So it's just a and we're not on the cusp of a population boom.

01:32:15.000 Our fertility rates are plummeting, our population's declining.

01:32:18.000 We're going to be headed towards a crisis.

01:32:20.000 Elon's covered all of this.

01:32:22.000 Um Jamie, there's one with it's a video?

01:32:26.000 It's a video.

01:32:27.000 Um and it's uh if you pull it up, let's see.

01:32:30.000 Oh, because I want you to hear this one the other one.

01:32:33.000 This one. 1.00

01:32:34.000 Ah shit. 0.99

01:32:35.000 I don't know which one it is. 1.00

01:32:36.000 I I think it's organic mist.

01:32:40.000 Yeah, it's click organic mist.

01:32:41.000 It's either that one or the one next to it.

01:32:43.000 Uh that was this.

01:32:44.000 They're organic, yeah, that one.

01:32:46.000 If it'll play.

01:32:47.000 This is a lobbyist for big chemical who testified here in Texas to kill the bill.

01:32:52.000 And what he's saying, foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides from the truth is industry is terrified that what will happen is American mothers will see those labels and realizing they're poisoning their children.

01:33:09.000 You're using manure for organic foods.

01:33:11.000 It has to be solely manure, and that is the agent that that creates dangerous in organic foods.

01:33:18.000 A bag of lace potato chips has a 50% profit margin.

01:33:21.000 I I heard Mr. Busey earlier say something in nature of I don't want the price of eggs to go up.

01:33:26.000 Eggs have one ingredient.

01:33:26.000 Well, guess what?

01:33:28.000 Eggs.

01:33:29.000 There are more accounts of people dying from eating organic foods than there are from people eating foods that may have had pesticides from the viewers.

01:33:40.000 What is the answer to that?

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 That was it?

01:33:44.000 Oh, that was the first thing that he said.

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:46.000 The more people are dying in the organic foods.

01:33:46.000 Oh my god.

01:33:48.000 That was his argument.

01:33:49.000 Okay, l first of all, look at him.

01:33:52.000 That fella is filled with inflammation.

01:33:55.000 That fella, there's no way that dude is hiking up to the top of that.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:59.000 What I was gonna say is this is where I was going earlier.

01:34:01.000 This is so crazy. 0.97

01:34:02.000 We the land of misfit toys, a couple of us fucking every average day Joe's are going up against the American Art Association. 0.99

01:34:10.000 H. E. B.'s lobbying group, Bucky's lobbying group, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, they brought the fucking heat. 0.99

01:34:17.000 31 to nothing. 0.99

01:34:19.000 We got the vote through the Senate.

01:34:20.000 31 to nothing. 1.00

01:34:22.000 And then they said, Holy shit, these assholes are gonna pull this off in the state of Texas. 1.00

01:34:27.000 They descended upon Texas with Lobbyists out the ass. 1.00

01:34:32.000 And I'm getting calls like, hey, can you come back to the Capitol? 0.99

01:34:36.000 Can you come talk to Congressmen and Congresswomen?

01:34:38.000 They're looking to kill the bill.

01:34:40.000 They're gonna kill the bill. 1.00

01:34:41.000 It was the highest level of fuckery. 0.98

01:34:43.000 I I had Senator Colehurst, I had Lacey Hole, a representative calling and saying they are pulling out all the stops. 0.98

01:34:51.000 All the stops.

01:34:52.000 And they are telling congressmen and congresswomen, you're gonna create food deserts.

01:34:56.000 You're gonna starve minority communities. 1.00

01:34:59.000 This is a race play.

01:35:00.000 Like you name it.

01:35:01.000 They're gonna starve if they don't have Coca-Cola.

01:35:03.000 We ended up having to concede, and this is kind of it was a little bit of a smart move by Lacey and Senator Colehurst.

01:35:09.000 We put glyphosate and atrazine in the bill to be listed as one of the substances that is known to cause harm.

01:35:15.000 Okay.

01:35:16.000 It isn't a food ingredient, so it was never gonna make it through on the bill.

01:35:20.000 It was literally a smoke screen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool.

01:35:26.000 But it also allowed us to see who's against it and what politicians are gonna support big chemical. 0.98

01:35:33.000 And these motherfuckers came out in the droves, and one of the main guys from frickin' uh a representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study. 0.99

01:35:44.000 He did he said this shouldn't be a bill, this should just be a long-term study. 0.99

01:35:48.000 And then industry came in and said we should kill the bill at the state level and push it back to the feds.

01:35:53.000 We agree with you there needs to be reform, but let's push it back to the feds. 0.97

01:35:57.000 And so, but what people don't understand is we got the bills done.

01:36:01.000 We got three of these monumental bills done.

01:36:03.000 One of them require labels that disclose any banned substances in the state of Texas now have to be put on the front of a label.

01:36:09.000 Almost like a black box warning. 0.99

01:36:11.000 So like RD40, all that shit. 0.98

01:36:14.000 Any of the food dyes, any of the additives, uh it what's not on there are big chemical because big chemical wasn't a food ingredient. 0.99

01:36:21.000 And the lobby for big chemical is so powerful.

01:36:24.000 And that's where I was going with this.

01:36:26.000 They, I mean, it is crazy the lobby that Monsanto and these companies have, and they're gonna do that at the federal level.

01:36:34.000 And they're gonna try and get this exemption uh around all pesticides. 0.98

01:36:38.000 And my rebuttal to that, and I said this on a call, is if I'm going to a bar and I'm not gonna fuck someone, there's no reason to carry a condom. 0.99

01:36:47.000 So if you're not fucking me, why do you need the condom? 0.99

01:36:50.000 If you're not fucking the American people, why do you need a condom? 1.00

01:36:53.000 You're giving them a condom, but they're telling us they're not gonna fuck us. 0.99

01:36:58.000 Yeah, it's why do you need this exemption? 0.98

01:37:00.000 If your product's not causing cancer, why do you need an exemption?

01:37:04.000 Yeah.

01:37:05.000 Exactly.

01:37:06.000 If you're if your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption?

01:37:12.000 It's yet another smoke screen from industry to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause.

01:37:23.000 And I don't get it.

01:37:25.000 Republicans, Democrats, they're all implicitly involved in this.

01:37:28.000 Well, we have to also understand that in a lot of countries this stuff is banned.

01:37:31.000 And it's banned for a very good reason.

01:37:33.000 It's banned because we know it causes harm.

01:37:35.000 Why in the greatest country in the world do we ever have anyone that we allow to advocate for harm for over for profit?

01:37:45.000 Just harm.

01:37:46.000 It's not like this is the only way to grow food.

01:37:48.000 People grow food all over the world, man.

01:37:51.000 Yeah.

01:37:51.000 The idea that this is the only way to grow food is pretty insane.

01:37:54.000 Especially when we have examples.

01:37:57.000 But the thing is like scalability.

01:37:59.000 I don't know if White Oaks pastures, if you could scale that out.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 And and and feed the world.

01:38:04.000 I think we might have fucked up. 0.95

01:38:05.000 I think we might have fucked up by jamming, you know, I don't know how many millions of people are in LA. 0.94

01:38:10.000 Twenty? 0.76

01:38:11.000 What's what's the number?

01:38:12.000 What's the real number?

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 You know, and what's the real number?

01:38:14.000 No one knows. 0.91

01:38:15.000 The ice raids had the fucking the streets empty.

01:38:18.000 So no one knows what the real number is, right?

01:38:21.000 But just how many people do you have to feed?

01:38:24.000 And even I think I said this earlier.

01:38:27.000 Didn't I tell you that there was in they call them the Monsanto papers or whatever, and in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between uh the head of the EPA and Monsanto, where he this individual says, if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal.

01:38:43.000 Yeah, I say that okay, I can't really do it.

01:38:45.000 Then there's the whole Coca-Cola aspect of it too.

01:38:47.000 Uh the point is in LA no one's growing anything.

01:38:50.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 So they're just allowed.

01:38:52.000 So you have twenty million people jammed into an area where the only thing that's growing is weed.

01:38:57.000 It's the only thing that anyone's growing in LA.

01:38:59.000 Imagine if you get people so excited about tomatoes and and oranges as you do about weed.

01:39:04.000 You know?

01:39:04.000 And everybody's like, look at my tomato.

01:39:04.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 Or even what you talked about a bunch is hunting.

01:39:08.000 Like so many people are out of touch with the reality of what it takes to create food.

01:39:12.000 No, I'm just saying that even where their food comes from.

01:39:15.000 Well, where their food comes from for sure.

01:39:17.000 So the problem, what I was getting at is that I think we have set ourselves up where our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive.

01:39:32.000 Like I it it gets that weird.

01:39:34.000 Because if you get to numbers, right?

01:39:35.000 If you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food, all right, so they need to get some somebody else, they've they've you know pushed off to someone else the responsibility of acquiring food.

01:39:47.000 All they have to do is give them currency to get that food.

01:39:50.000 That is a new thing with human beings.

01:39:53.000 That this is a new thing.

01:39:54.000 It's a new thing where we do that with enormous populations.

01:39:57.000 And then so what's the solution?

01:39:59.000 The solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with anything. 0.99

01:40:05.000 Stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse, have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles and then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've you've got thousand acres of corn. 0.99

01:40:26.000 Like that never happens in the world. 1.00

01:40:28.000 And all the animals and all the plants are supposed to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem, and for profit, you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn, and then you subsidize the farmers so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything, everything has including fucking salad dressing. 0.98

01:40:53.000 You know, and then you have canola oil, which is really just rapeseed oil, and it's a disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're pretending is health heart healthy. 0.97

01:41:04.000 And like this is this is the system that we're in right now. 0.95

01:41:07.000 And most people want he, you know, there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy.

01:41:19.000 Which I am pro science guy.

01:41:20.000 Yeah.

01:41:20.000 That's I have a degree in bro science.

01:41:22.000 But this is all just real, folks. 1.00

01:41:25.000 You're you're fucking poisoned. 1.00

01:41:27.000 And if you continue to eat that way, you're gonna be doomed. 1.00

01:41:31.000 Your your body's gonna fall apart.

01:41:32.000 That's just a fact.

01:41:34.000 We know it, we all know it.

01:41:35.000 Processed food diets are just there's no one that can say they're good for you, they're bad for you.

01:41:40.000 Here's the question Do we have enough stake in this?

01:41:44.000 Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally?

01:41:54.000 Because right now we have ag gag laws where if someone, like I say, if you work at some slaughterhouse or someplace, you're not allowed to film the atrocities.

01:42:03.000 Yeah, there's laws.

01:42:03.000 I didn't know that.

01:42:04.000 Yeah, you will go to jail. 0.98

01:42:06.000 So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuffed next to each other and shitting through grates, and then that you ever seen I've seen that. 0.98

01:42:16.000 Yeah, it's a good thing.

01:42:17.000 If you film that and put it on TikTok, like this is where your bacon comes from, you go to jail.

01:42:22.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:42:22.000 You go to jail.

01:42:23.000 Yeah, if they're doing it.

01:42:25.000 If they're abusing the animals, like there's videos of guys that are working in slaughterhouse, like beating cows over the head and kicking them when they're down and slicing their throats, letting them squirm around, those kind of videos, you'll go to jail for filming them.

01:42:37.000 Yeah.

01:42:38.000 No consequences for the people that are doing it.

01:42:40.000 Because here's the other dirty secret.

01:42:42.000 It's just so short-sighted.

01:42:44.000 Here's the other dirty secret.

01:42:45.000 Where do you think they get their employees from? 0.92

01:42:48.000 If you you're gonna run an disgusting, unethical, immoral business, who are you gonna hire? 0.98

01:42:55.000 First of all, it's disgusting, dirty work. 1.00

01:42:56.000 Nobody wants to smell pig shit all day. 1.00

01:42:59.000 Who you gonna hire? 1.00

01:43:00.000 Well, you're gonna hire people that snuck into the country because you don't have to have documents on them, you don't have to pay them any kind of health care.

01:43:09.000 You don't have to give them any kind of benefits. 0.99

01:43:10.000 You don't have to give them jack shit. 1.00

01:43:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:12.000 So you benefit from keeping that fucking border wide open. 1.00

01:43:16.000 And these people that have publicly talked about this, we need the labor in this country because they're doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. 0.99

01:43:25.000 Well, you should really ask yourself, do we need those jobs?

01:43:28.000 And do we need to be doing It the way that we're doing it where those jobs are a necessity in 2025.

01:43:34.000 Yeah.

01:43:35.000 Or are we captive to an evil industry that cares more about money than it does about humans?

01:43:42.000 Yeah.

01:43:43.000 Which is demonic.

01:43:44.000 Well, I think you see the history throughout all industry, you know.

01:43:48.000 It's that it's it's just but it's a it's like always a battle of good and evil, and that's what we have to understand.

01:43:54.000 Like, don't lose faith. 0.99

01:43:55.000 Like, oh my God, the w people suck. 1.00

01:43:57.000 No, no, no, no, no, no. 1.00

01:43:58.000 A small amount of people suck, and some of those people get power, and then they control massive amounts of people who mostly don't suck. 0.99

01:44:05.000 Most people do it. 0.99

01:44:08.000 And we've talked about this, but I swear to God, like when Denise came on to Wastewell to help me start this thing almost 10 years ago.

01:44:18.000 Our conversation was if we keep our moral compass, if we make this about people, this is a this is the hand of God truth, man.

01:44:26.000 This isn't Hey brother, I love you.

01:44:27.000 You don't have to tell me.

01:44:28.000 This is one of the reasons why you're on this.

01:44:30.000 You're a really good person, like a genuinely good person.

01:44:33.000 And I've seen you interact with fucking dozens of people that are my very good friends.

01:44:38.000 I've seen you uh I've talked to people that I that I knew, but that you maybe didn't know that I knew them independently, and they've told me they've had amazing experiences with you.

01:44:49.000 You're a good guy.

01:44:50.000 I know, and you're making good money.

01:44:52.000 But your mindset is so on the money.

01:44:56.000 Like, do the best that you can for people and all the other stuff will fall into place.

01:45:01.000 Like the problem with corporations is that you can't function like that.

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 You have an obligation to your stakeholder.

01:45:08.000 So even if you're a good person, which I think most of those people are probably good people that have been co-opted, and then there's this diffusion of responsibility because you're a part of a gigantic corporation.

01:45:17.000 Maybe I don't like what's going on.

01:45:19.000 Maybe I don't like what we're doing.

01:45:20.000 But hey, uh all I can do is affect what I do around me.

01:45:24.000 Like when you're a defense lawyer and you're helping someone get off and you know he's a murderer.

01:45:28.000 And you have to help.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 Because this is your job.

01:45:30.000 Like a guy stabbed his wife, and you have to pretend he didn't.

01:45:33.000 I had I can even have empathy for that because I can too.

01:45:36.000 This is hard, like even running this company.

01:45:39.000 I'm under attack.

01:45:40.000 I mean, we have 500 employees.

01:45:42.000 I'm battling the FDA.

01:45:44.000 I'm battling the state of Texas.

01:45:45.000 We were worried about the DEA and it changing telemedicine law.

01:45:49.000 But then you still have competition.

01:45:51.000 And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies, there's other telemedicine companies, there's other telemedicine apps, there's other AI driven, and you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing, and I disagree with it.

01:46:03.000 And I've stayed my ground.

01:46:04.000 And I if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people. 0.82

01:46:08.000 If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down five hundred fucking people that believed in me, that took a leap of faith, that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care.

01:46:20.000 What I have seen when people when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago now, the first time, we had this boom. 0.91

01:46:28.000 We had only managed like 7,000 patients.

01:46:31.000 I go on here and 20,000 people try to register in like a day. 0.99

01:46:35.000 And I'm like, holy shit. 1.00

01:46:37.000 And people are like, You guys suck, and why can't you be in my state? 1.00

01:46:41.000 And I'm like, because to get into your state is a lot more complicated. 0.99

01:46:44.000 The the way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no training in this disease state.

01:46:51.000 And that to me is no different than big pharma.

01:46:54.000 If we're going to slippery slow push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine?

01:47:01.000 That's not predictive, preventative and personalized.

01:47:04.000 And the vision of this company was to be predictive, preventative, and personalized.

01:47:08.000 And I've had people try and buy us out, and I've had people offer to buy us out, and I could take a payday, but I look at that and I go, We're barely scratching the surface, and the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is.

01:47:20.000 No, I really believe that.

01:47:22.000 It's just gonna be a money.

01:47:24.000 I have no you don't have to say any of what you just said, because I know that you would never do that.

01:47:27.000 I know who you are.

01:47:28.000 And to speak to the level of personalization you guys do, I get vitamins that are personally adjusted to whatever my blood work is.

01:47:38.000 And that's what I take now.

01:47:39.000 I take waste well vitamins.

01:47:41.000 I take eight of them, I just throw them in my mouth, swallow them all at once.

01:47:44.000 Some people think that's gross.

01:47:45.000 It's easy for me.

01:47:46.000 I gotta water nothing.

01:47:48.000 Oh, I drink water for sure.

01:47:50.000 No, no, I'm like.

01:47:55.000 I know people who will just swallow a bunch of pills.

01:47:57.000 I can't do it.

01:47:57.000 I have to sit one pill at a time.

01:47:59.000 They have no water.

01:47:59.000 Oh man, Justin Ren, when he would take his vitamins, he would just throw like a whole handful in and just swallow them.

01:48:03.000 I'm like, how do you do that?

01:48:05.000 Yeah, and I know he's a huge human, but Jesus.

01:48:05.000 No water?

01:48:08.000 That's Viking genes.

01:48:09.000 They're used to eating mushrooms that way.

01:48:10.000 When they would go on berserker raids.

01:48:12.000 Um, but uh, you know, I just that's all I have to take now.

01:48:15.000 And uh I I'm gonna get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at.

01:48:20.000 Um I think I'm gonna add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin, and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that uh really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age-related macular degeneration.

01:48:34.000 I think that and the red light therapy has worked.

01:48:36.000 I I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my phone.

01:48:40.000 That's nuts.

01:48:41.000 And GHK and uh BPC and stem cells and all of these things have uh benefits in every one of those aspects.

01:48:48.000 There was that study out of Europe, I think we covered it last time for uh degenerative eyesight loss and using red light therapy.

01:48:55.000 Yeah, my eyesight is still not the best.

01:48:58.000 Like if I put a pair of readers on, I can see better, but I have no problem reading.

01:49:03.000 It's just like a little fuzzy, but not to the point where I can't read things anymore.

01:49:07.000 But it was getting worse. 0.99

01:49:08.000 Yeah, it was getting significantly worse, like uh every six to eight months I would notice a a decline, like fuck, man, I can't see shit anymore. 0.99

01:49:17.000 And then I started wearing reading glasses. 0.99

01:49:18.000 I've stopped that.

01:49:20.000 So it's not just stopped in its tracks, but my eyesight has gotten better.

01:49:25.000 Which is nobody thinks that's possible.

01:49:27.000 Ask most ophthalmologists, like what you're gonna take vitamins and you're gonna like stare at the end of the day.

01:49:32.000 Well, it makes sense because r all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP and and eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP, and as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are gonna go and begin to lose their functionality.

01:49:47.000 Yes.

01:49:47.000 And so if we can refuel ATP and maximize AP ATP, then we can optimize your chances at these degenerative things not occurring.

01:49:56.000 And that's my whole point of these building blocks.

01:49:58.000 Peptides, stem cells, amnion, uh purified uh like all of it.

01:50:04.000 All of all of it, PRP, you name it, all of these things are tools in the tool belt that aren't readily available or even talked about in traditional medicine.

01:50:15.000 And it's not because your doctor or clinician's a bad guy or girl, it's because they're in an insurance model, and insurance doesn't cover any of these things.

01:50:23.000 Exactly.

01:50:24.000 And the that's the real problem in this country, that everything has been co-opted by businesses.

01:50:29.000 And it's not the right path towards your health. 0.58

01:50:32.000 There is a path towards your health and we have to fucking light the way and have to say hey this This road that we're on. 0.81

01:50:38.000 Do you know goblins built this road? 0.99

01:50:40.000 Do you know this road leads to the fucking goblin house? 1.00

01:50:43.000 Yeah, guys, I know way around to the enchanted forest. 1.00

01:50:46.000 Go this way.

01:50:48.000 Another, you're our mutual friend.

01:50:49.000 I asked him and his mom if I could talk about this, Jesse Michaels.

01:50:52.000 So Jesse's dad is older and he's suffering from dementia.

01:50:57.000 And they flew down here.

01:50:58.000 I said, just get him down here, Jesse.

01:51:00.000 And again, it's very nuanced.

01:51:02.000 We did a lot of things.

01:51:03.000 He was here for three days.

01:51:04.000 They're academics.

01:51:05.000 He's Jesse's brilliant.

01:51:07.000 You can tell that kid's brilliant, but his parents are brilliant too.

01:51:09.000 They're psychologists.

01:51:10.000 And so both his parents are psychologists, and his dad's battling dementia and uh has had cognitive decline.

01:51:17.000 And they came in, and his mom was a mega, mega skeptic.

01:51:22.000 And on day three, she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I gotta thank the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable.

01:51:33.000 I love my team.

01:51:34.000 You have great they're the magic.

01:51:35.000 I am not the magic, not me.

01:51:37.000 It's a great place.

01:51:38.000 It's very positive.

01:51:39.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 And she hugged us and cried and said last night, it like this stuff makes me emotional because it's I believe it, man.

01:51:46.000 I'm telling you, I've seen it, I believe it, I'm a believer.

01:51:50.000 Uh you're never gonna change my mind. 0.99

01:51:52.000 I don't give a shit what these people are saying at the federal level. 0.97

01:51:55.000 This stuff is life-changing. 0.99

01:51:56.000 And I've witnessed it.

01:51:57.000 Finish the dementia story.

01:51:59.000 Uh tears in her eyes, hugged the team and said, last night I had my husband back.

01:52:06.000 If nothing else.

01:52:07.000 What did you do?

01:52:08.000 This is all we get out of this.

01:52:09.000 We did stem cells, we did uh he was there for the three-day experience, which was like hyperbaric, cellular therapy, peptides, hit him with everything but the kitchen sink, like what we do with with all these folks, and we systematically red light, we did all of it, but he's here for a three-day experience,

01:52:25.000 and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home, reduce inflammation, help with all of these different aspects, hit him with G HK, hit him with BPC, hit him with stem cells, all of these different peptides and building blocks.

01:52:41.000 Anyway, she she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said for the first time in a long time, I had my husband back last night.

01:52:49.000 It was like the olden days.

01:52:51.000 Like we talked, we laughed, we hugged, I had my husband back.

01:52:54.000 And she said, if if it's just that, if all I get out of this is that one night, thank you.

01:53:00.000 Like thank you.

01:53:01.000 And I talked to Jesse, and he's like, My dad's doing the best he's done in months.

01:53:05.000 I'm not saying that these things are gonna cure dementia.

01:53:08.000 I'm not saying any of the things that we're gonna do.

01:53:09.000 Dude, if I had dementia, I would and that happened, I would move to Austin. 0.99

01:53:12.000 I'd be camped out right next to your fucking building. 0.98

01:53:14.000 What time are you guys opening? 1.00

01:53:16.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:53:17.000 Yeah.

01:53:17.000 Like, but so many people think there's no hope.

01:53:20.000 And and people with obesity, like jelly roll.

01:53:23.000 Five hundred pounds, man.

01:53:26.000 And look at him.

01:53:27.000 It's incredible.

01:53:28.000 He's he's gone from walking to now he can run.

01:53:30.000 Now he's playing pick up basketball. 1.00

01:53:31.000 He carried that stupid rock. 1.00

01:53:33.000 Yeah, I'm not sure. 1.00

01:53:34.000 Well, I think he did.

01:53:35.000 He would have that hike with Cam.

01:53:37.000 Yeah, he went up to the top of Mount Pixka.

01:53:39.000 He was on uh lift run shoot.

01:53:40.000 He was amazing on it.

01:53:41.000 Yeah.

01:53:41.000 He's such a sweet soul of a human being.

01:53:45.000 He's the nicest guy. 0.97

01:53:46.000 And he looks like a criminal. 0.97

01:53:48.000 Fallen criminal. 1.00

01:53:49.000 Fucking tattoos all over his face. 1.00

01:53:50.000 Looks so sketchy, but he's so sweet. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Yeah.

01:53:53.000 He's such a good dude.

01:53:53.000 And the He's gonna be on the cover of men's health and GQ now.

01:53:56.000 That's incredible.

01:53:58.000 It's incredible.

01:53:59.000 Well, what he's done is super super inspirational.

01:54:01.000 And I hope it motivates other people.

01:54:03.000 Like you can get the weight off.

01:54:05.000 It doesn't have to be a GLP one.

01:54:07.000 Right.

01:54:08.000 It doesn't have to be.

01:54:09.000 And even those, like this is where it's nuanced.

01:54:12.000 Like I understand the backlash against GLP ones, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient, and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and uh, you know, IGF, yeah, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass, and we're quantifying it because we have a DEX at the clinic.

01:54:33.000 So anybody who comes in, we run them through a DEXA now, we know their lean muscle mass, their body fat, and the goal is to preserve muscle.

01:54:40.000 Because I would argue more important to getting the body fat off, and this is the pivot that I've tried to get jelly roll to and other folks. 0.86

01:54:47.000 The fat's gonna come off.

01:54:49.000 Let's focus on building muscle.

01:54:51.000 If we can build muscle and help build leg strength and help put muscle on your frame, that is going to increase your metabolic burn rate.

01:55:00.000 That is going to put you in a better position for long-term health.

01:55:04.000 Don't make it all about the scale.

01:55:06.000 Right.

01:55:06.000 Make it about your body composition and how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle, minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat, but we don't want to give up a pound of muscle.

01:55:18.000 Keep all it's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on. 0.98

01:55:18.000 Right. 0.98

01:55:21.000 You don't want to lose that muscle.

01:55:23.000 Yeah, even with hormone optimization, it's a constant battle.

01:55:26.000 You have to constantly be working.

01:55:28.000 And if you don't, you're gonna get weak.

01:55:31.000 And that this is not a good thing.

01:55:33.000 It's not virtuous to be weak.

01:55:35.000 And this is a problem with the we know we were talking about masculinity earlier.

01:55:39.000 Hyper awful masculinity is Vikings, right?

01:55:39.000 Yeah.

01:55:43.000 They show up in a boat, they kill everybody.

01:55:45.000 Like that's the same.

01:55:46.000 Jane Gillis's bit on Vikings. 0.98

01:55:47.000 Oh, the gay Vikings. 0.99

01:55:50.000 Well, that's what I'm saying. 0.99

01:55:51.000 That would be terrifying.

01:55:52.000 Yeah, that's what they were, too.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 But I think everyone was gay back then.

01:55:57.000 I remember, you know, when you read about the Spartans, like, hey, it was this unusual.

01:56:01.000 Is everybody gay? 0.83

01:56:02.000 And then you're like, Socrates, oh, he was gay too. 1.00

01:56:05.000 What the fuck was everybody gay? 1.00

01:56:07.000 I think I think it was different back then. 0.99

01:56:09.000 I think the concept of uh gay and straight is a fairly new one. 0.99

01:56:13.000 I think back then everybody just fucked everybody. 0.98

01:56:16.000 I'm sure it was wild time. 0.99

01:56:18.000 It was wild time.

01:56:19.000 Chimps, like bonobos, you ever watch the bonobos? 1.00

01:56:22.000 The mom won't fuck the son. 1.00

01:56:22.000 They have one rule. 1.00

01:56:24.000 Everybody's fucking. 1.00

01:56:24.000 That's it. 1.00

01:56:25.000 Everybody else is fucking everybody. 1.00

01:56:27.000 Well no, it was chimpanzees in that. 1.00

01:56:29.000 Was that but those weren't bonobos?

01:56:30.000 No.

01:56:31.000 What was that?

01:56:31.000 Yeah, that was wild.

01:56:32.000 Crazy.

01:56:33.000 Yeah. 0.87

01:56:33.000 Bonobos are there are weird hippie like cousins. 0.87

01:56:37.000 I've heard you've been talking about Jesse's deal with the uh tridactyls insane. 1.00

01:56:42.000 And then you've said I know we I think we talked about have you you've watched the one on Homo Letty, that bipedal primate that buried the dead deep in caves. 0.99

01:56:51.000 Like we have no shit. 0.99

01:56:53.000 We know nothing about our history. 0.99

01:56:55.000 We're learning, but it's a scattered we're it's not like Oh, we found the log book.

01:57:02.000 We know what happened at every step of the way.

01:57:05.000 No, we're finding like little pieces of evidence from a burnt down building.

01:57:08.000 Like, what is this?

01:57:09.000 Oh, this looks like I think this is a lighter.

01:57:12.000 Well, I know you had Gary Nolan on too.

01:57:15.000 I haven't heard it yet.

01:57:16.000 But where's your head at now?

01:57:21.000 Something's going on.

01:57:22.000 Yeah.

01:57:22.000 But whatever this thing is going on, um, first of all, from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for.

01:57:30.000 Well, Gary was here to talk about his cancer research, first of all, which is fascinating.

01:57:33.000 And then um uh amazing stuff, like very interesting.

01:57:38.000 Then we we started talking about uh how this was sort of an accidental introduction.

01:57:43.000 Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft, supposedly that crashed, and said, uh, could you analyze this and find out what this is?

01:57:52.000 Someone the CIA.

01:57:55.000 Probably I don't know.

01:57:58.000 Um one of them a piece was brought to the Art Bell show.

01:58:02.000 They said that was from a crash from like the 1940s.

01:58:06.000 Um but this piece that had uh direct chain of evidence, so people knew where it was from a crash from the nineteen sixties in Brazil.

01:58:16.000 Uh it was made out of almost pure silica, but the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing an what is the equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years.

01:58:35.000 What the hell?

01:58:36.000 Right. 0.72

01:58:37.000 Like this is not like this would be hyper difficult to make today.

01:58:42.000 Not saying it's impossible.

01:58:43.000 This is what he's saying.

01:58:44.000 It like the odds of someone making that in 1950.

01:58:48.000 What are you talking about?

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically, and this is from 1970.

01:59:08.000 Like this isn't possible today.

01:59:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:11.000 With human beings in 2025, no one's making that shit. 0.99

01:59:14.000 There's not a fact you would know. 0.99

01:59:16.000 Someone would have heard about it, unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada Mountains that no one knows about that's doing some crazy super funded shit that they lie to Congress about. 0.96

01:59:27.000 Okay, maybe. 0.64

01:59:28.000 But in 1970 were you doing that?

01:59:30.000 Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we can't make today?

01:59:33.000 That seems unlikely.

01:59:34.000 Yeah.

01:59:34.000 So something's going on.

01:59:36.000 Well, and you're with your podcast with Representative Luna.

01:59:40.000 I mean, I know she's on the political side, but I was listening to that, and I'm like, to have a Congresswoman saying these things, and then even Tulsi came out.

01:59:48.000 She was talking about Tulsi.

01:59:50.000 Intradimensional beings.

01:59:51.000 And I was like, what are you saying?

01:59:53.000 You know you want I reached out her to her to have her on the podcast? 0.85

01:59:56.000 Because uh she made a tweet about the description of angels, what angels look like.

02:00:03.000 She's like, No, I didn't even say that.

02:00:06.000 Did you tweet this?

02:00:07.000 And she goes, Yeah.

02:00:08.000 And I was like, Well you don't want to talk to me about this.

02:00:10.000 We never even talked about it.

02:00:11.000 We never even got into the conversation.

02:00:13.000 But we got into aliens and we got into which you know, I think that good and evil are real things.

02:00:22.000 I think they're real things.

02:00:23.000 And I think there's this very big struggle, both on a micro and a macro scale.

02:00:32.000 I I I think internally there's a battle of good and evil.

02:00:35.000 You know when you want to do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing, and then you feel better because of it.

02:00:44.000 This is like a weird it's not like it's impossible for you to go into evil.

02:00:49.000 If the situation was that you were uh, you know, in another time in another part of the world in a horrific war, and you had a raid a village because everyone else was raiding the village, and you have to kill everybody because everybody else is killing everybody.

02:01:05.000 We're that's a part of us.

02:01:08.000 There's but there's a there's a real struggle between figuring that out.

02:01:12.000 I wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else.

02:01:17.000 And this is this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons, and you go, Well, what it what are we really talking about?

02:01:28.000 If these people were trying to Write something down to represent a real event that took place.

02:01:35.000 We're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel.

02:01:43.000 We know how to fly in planes, we know how to fly to the stars, and we know where this goes.

02:01:48.000 We know where this goes.

02:01:49.000 This goes to a better place where you get really good at it when then you come visit us, right?

02:01:54.000 So we know that.

02:01:55.000 But back then they didn't know that.

02:01:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:56.000 They didn't know anybody could fucking fly. 0.99

02:01:58.000 So when if they're experiencing angels who literally fly, and and and devils, and these fucking things that they find, the like the Brazilian one said the from Varginia smells like sulfur. 0.99

02:01:58.000 Right. 0.99

02:02:15.000 Yeah.

02:02:15.000 Isn't that weird that that's what demons are supposed to smell stories?

02:02:19.000 All of those stories.

02:02:20.000 And then you go back in even biblical scripture, like the book of Enoch, which I know isn't technically I'm reading that right now.

02:02:27.000 I've got it on audiobook right now, listening to it every day. 0.98

02:02:30.000 It's fucking bananas. 0.99

02:02:32.000 It's the watchers. 1.00

02:02:34.000 watchers who came down from the sky to mate with female.

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:37.000 And they gave knowledge to Enoch, took him into space and gave him knowledge of agriculture and architecture And you're like, what?

02:02:45.000 Also sorcery.

02:02:46.000 Oh, I didn't I didn't know that.

02:02:47.000 Yeah.

02:02:48.000 Which is probably technology.

02:02:49.000 Yeah.

02:02:51.000 It would be to people in that area.

02:02:52.000 100%.

02:02:54.000 Dude, I think we're engineered.

02:02:57.000 I think this is I think we are in a stage of our society with where the the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature.

02:03:11.000 Like the gr the growth of intelligence, the gross of the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on.

02:03:21.000 I think this is why there's a lot of shock in some circles about the public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza.

02:03:31.000 Like almost like they can't understand it.

02:03:33.000 Like you can understand.

02:03:34.000 Oh, how is this possible that someone's upset? 0.99

02:03:36.000 You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 2025 human beings can behave where you can b bomb women and children, and any opposition to that is anti Semitic. 0.99

02:03:49.000 That's not flying today. 0.99

02:03:51.000 You can't do that today because this is a wor So we're evolving, but we're not there yet.

02:03:58.000 We're not at a place where we have no war.

02:04:00.000 We're not at a place where there's no more murder. 0.97

02:04:02.000 We're not at a place where you don't have to send the National Guard into Chicago because there's 54 fucking sho shootings in a weekend. 0.98

02:04:08.000 So if I was an alien civilization, I would wait. 0.98

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 I would do what we're doing right now.

02:04:15.000 I almost view it as a test.

02:04:16.000 I've said this.

02:04:17.000 I said this recently, I don't remember who else, but in my mind, I look at it as kind of like what Graham Hancock says.

02:04:23.000 What if we reached a level of of knowledge and sophistication, but there's a reset button.

02:04:30.000 And I know the cataclysmic events and all those things, and we know that happens.

02:04:34.000 And we know it happens, I think every seventy thousand years, there's that it's it's historically gonna happen.

02:04:40.000 But separate from that, when we look at the cosmos and we say once you have the ability to generate a certain level, reach a level two society, and you reach that level two society, then you can create enough energy to bend space and time, and in theory you could fold time and traverse the cosmos.

02:04:54.000 Yeah.

02:04:55.000 What if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe or the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technologic advancement supersedes that or advances past it, right?

02:04:55.000 Okay.

02:05:12.000 Because right now, if you gave us infinite power, we're gonna be fucking dead. 0.99

02:05:17.000 Well, we kind of it's terrifying. 0.98

02:05:19.000 Well, we're certainly in that situation when it comes to nuclear bombs.

02:05:22.000 We have enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody over, and yet we're still making them.

02:05:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:27.000 Everybody on the planet, we can kill, and we're still so stupid that we haven't pointed at each other. 1.00

02:05:31.000 Right. 1.00

02:05:32.000 So if I was an alien, I would wait.

02:05:34.000 Um I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of spiritual connection, but that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go.

02:05:44.000 You know, there's this very highly criticized video of Peter Thiel, which is uh kind of funny.

02:05:50.000 No, with no no no, that's another one.

02:05:53.000 Poor guy.

02:05:54.000 Also, it kind of like looks a little too shiny to be a regular person, he's a little too slippery looking.

02:05:59.000 So that's Reptilian.

02:06:01.000 But he's a thoughtful person.

02:06:04.000 And I when I was asking him any question on the podcast, he has these long pauses before he answers.

02:06:10.000 Is it part of his speech pattern, part of his thinking?

02:06:13.000 Well, the problem is he did that with the question of should the human race survive.

02:06:18.000 Yeah.

02:06:18.000 This guy, this guy was like, the answer's sh they should, right?

02:06:22.000 So the guy was like pressing him, talking to him like he's a regular person, instead of just letting this air out.

02:06:29.000 Letting you're gonna have you how are you pressed for time? 0.92

02:06:32.000 You got no fucking an hour and a half to talk to this guy. 0.90

02:06:34.000 Let him talk. 0.98

02:06:36.000 But this the problem is we are awesome.

02:06:41.000 And I love all the things that we do.

02:06:43.000 I love how we create art and food and we create fun and comedy, we're fun with each other.

02:06:50.000 I love human beings.

02:06:52.000 I I love our our creative ability.

02:06:55.000 I love all the things about us.

02:06:57.000 But this is not the only way that a life form can exist.

02:07:02.000 And the idea that we have to stay this forever, although I love us, seems kind of silly. 0.97

02:07:08.000 But this is like going back to Australia Epithecus and go, bro, fucking sticks and stones for life, bro. 1.00

02:07:14.000 Fuck a house. 1.00

02:07:16.000 Okay, bro. 1.00

02:07:16.000 I'm down with all no, that's ridiculous. 1.00

02:07:19.000 That's crazy.

02:07:20.000 And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet has come anywhere close to?

02:07:32.000 Like we're we're way out there.

02:07:34.000 What's the what's the next logical step?

02:07:36.000 Well, abandon everything that ruins us.

02:07:39.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 So what ruins us?

02:07:40.000 All this greed that we're talking about earlier.

02:07:42.000 What does all this come from?

02:07:43.000 This comes from famine thinking.

02:07:46.000 This comes from uh tribal thinking, us versus them.

02:07:50.000 This comes from trying to acquire resources because you want to stay alive.

02:07:54.000 All those things have been hijacked.

02:07:56.000 All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetized and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter.

02:08:05.000 It's craziness.

02:08:06.000 Well, and it back to psychedelics.

02:08:08.000 When you do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go, there is no me.

02:08:14.000 Like there's us.

02:08:15.000 We're in this together.

02:08:16.000 And every time I think I'm I'm trying to be a good person.

02:08:20.000 There's never a time I've done a big dose of psychedelics and not thought about something I did mean in third grade or like I've got to be better.

02:08:28.000 I have to be more patient.

02:08:29.000 I can't lose my temper.

02:08:31.000 Like, God man, I really wish I wouldn't have lost my temper over X. Yeah.

02:08:31.000 Of course.

02:08:35.000 That's the benefit of it.

02:08:38.000 I was selfish and I was busy and I was stressed and I ignored this person's cry for help.

02:08:43.000 This is my point.

02:08:44.000 I think we're that we're that close to not ever having to think about those things again.

02:08:48.000 I think we're that close.

02:08:49.000 I think we're that close to transcending what it means to be a human being.

02:08:52.000 And I don't know if it's good.

02:08:54.000 Yeah.

02:08:54.000 I don't know if it's good.

02:08:55.000 You're saying through technology?

02:08:56.000 Yeah.

02:08:57.000 Because what we're getting, what we're getting with humans is the blues.

02:09:02.000 We're getting Charlie Crockett, we're getting Sturgil Simpson.

02:09:06.000 We're getting with humans, we're getting beauty.

02:09:08.000 We're getting amazing voices. 1.00

02:09:10.000 We're getting paintings that make you go, fuck. 0.99

02:09:13.000 We're getting muscle cars, like, dude, look at this thing. 1.00

02:09:17.000 We're getting with humans, we're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting Gaza. 1.00

02:09:22.000 We're also getting Ukraine. 0.94

02:09:23.000 We're also getting the the the fucking the banking's the housing scandal from 2008, the collapse. 1.00

02:09:30.000 We're getting evil shit. 1.00

02:09:31.000 We're getting demons. 1.00

02:09:33.000 We're getting uh, you know, the fucking we could go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running out around in our education system. 0.99

02:09:50.000 All this is because human beings are capable of deceit. 0.98

02:09:54.000 All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes.

02:10:01.000 And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue. 0.98

02:10:06.000 Because a milksh a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious. 0.98

02:10:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:12.000 You know, because I do like pulling into P. Terries and uh ordering a double bacon cheeseburger on a boat. 0.99

02:10:18.000 You know, it look it doesn't mean that this is the only way to go, and I think we have to abandon that.

02:10:24.000 Just like you have to abandon the idea of not having a cell phone anymore.

02:10:28.000 There's gonna be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way.

02:10:36.000 And I think it's going to be mind to mind, and I think it's gonna be through this interface, and it gets really challenging.

02:10:43.000 It's gonna get really challenging is to how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled?

02:10:48.000 Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech, you cannot allow that we we've shown that they're terrible with censorship.

02:11:00.000 We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding with uh corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well-being, and they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots, and so we know that that exists right now, and if we have that controlling the mind, literal the hive mind of the world, that's not good.

02:11:24.000 So it's gonna have to be decent.

02:11:26.000 If I'm understanding, I want to make sure I we because we don't have telepathy yet.

02:11:29.000 I want to make sure I'm understanding.

02:11:31.000 I think I am.

02:11:32.000 Like I look at ChatGPT or any of these large language models, and they're a tremendous resource, and that is now the new Google, and that is where you research and get a lot of information and fact check things.

02:11:43.000 And right now you type it in a phone and you wait and you get an answer.

02:11:46.000 In the future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink or one of these companies implants something, and you're merged with that, so you think like the matrix, I know Kung Fu.

02:11:56.000 I know Kung Fu.

02:11:57.000 100%.

02:11:57.000 You just downloaded jujitsu app and now you know jujitsu.

02:12:00.000 And universal language, universal telepath telepathic language.

02:12:05.000 I think that's on the agenda.

02:12:06.000 And Elon's talked about that.

02:12:07.000 Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English and in their language, and then translates theirs to English. 1.00

02:12:17.000 Yeah, literally there, it's just a freaking ear piece though. 0.99

02:12:20.000 Yeah. 0.81

02:12:21.000 And it's in your ear.

02:12:22.000 And imagine when that's just in your head and you're not even using words, you're just sharing an emotion.

02:12:28.000 How about we abandon all languages except a new one?

02:12:32.000 The whole world.

02:12:33.000 I mean, that's probably the Tower of Babel, dude.

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:36.000 That's probably what how it went down.

02:12:38.000 See, when I read like these things like the book of Enoch or like you even this is like the Ezekiel story.

02:12:48.000 I'm always like, what are you what are they trying to say?

02:12:51.000 Someone was trying to write something down to dismiss it today as just fairy tales and that's cute.

02:12:57.000 I love how you're really smart and you're better than everybody else.

02:13:00.000 That's great.

02:13:01.000 Because that's part of the thing of being an atheist.

02:13:02.000 Like I'm smarter.

02:13:04.000 These are fairy tales.

02:13:05.000 Like, okay, like I don't really believe a guy came back from the dead.

02:13:08.000 But what were they trying to talk about?

02:13:11.000 Like what what is who was that guy?

02:13:13.000 I don't like people who have that definitive.

02:13:15.000 You can't be that being atheist is just as arrogant as saying my where was the saying, like there's nine hundred something religions, and if you're a Christian and you say all uh 899 are wrong, right?

02:13:27.000 Being an atheist is even more arrogant. 1.00

02:13:29.000 You're literally saying everything's wrong and there's nothing.

02:13:32.000 Like I just gotta be something.

02:13:35.000 I think there is something, but I think you also have to look at it through the lens of human beings.

02:13:40.000 Because unfortunately, we are a dirty filter.

02:13:43.000 And if you run the truth through us, the truth is gonna get contaminated. 1.00

02:13:47.000 If you have like poor uh like you if you pour pure tequila through a filter that has cat shit in it, yeah, you're gonna get cat shit in your drink. 1.00

02:13:57.000 That's just how it works. 1.00

02:13:58.000 Yes.

02:13:59.000 Right?

02:13:59.000 So if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down, right?

02:14:07.000 And then it gets written down in one language, it gets translated into another language, and then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back, like what year was it where they took the book of Enoch out of the canon, right?

02:14:20.000 They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Qumran people.

02:14:24.000 Those are the ones who believed in Enoch. 1.00

02:14:26.000 Well, fuck those people, those guys are assholes. 1.00

02:14:27.000 Let's take let's get it out. 1.00

02:14:29.000 So that that one story that throws the whole like what they had to teach that in the Bible today.

02:14:34.000 If you went to Sunday church and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans and providing sorcery and metallurgy and teaching them agriculture, like, what are you saying?

02:14:46.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 Like what happened instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling.

02:14:53.000 Because there's no human beings historically, like, even like if you're a Muslim, like the some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people are like, hey, this is kind of crazy. 0.99

02:15:03.000 He married a nine year old. 0.87

02:15:04.000 Hey, this is kind of crazy.

02:15:05.000 Like, what do you like?

02:15:06.000 He's a warlord.

02:15:06.000 Hey, this is kind of crazy.

02:15:07.000 Like with Jesus Christ, it's very weird. 0.99

02:15:10.000 Like you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross. 0.99

02:15:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:15:24.000 And then this guy decides he wants to die that way.

02:15:27.000 And this is everybody's story that interacts with them.

02:15:30.000 Nobody's like, oh, I knew Jesus. 1.00

02:15:31.000 He was a cunt. 1.00

02:15:32.000 That guy was a piece of shit. 1.00

02:15:33.000 Let me tell you what he fucked my sister, dude. 1.00

02:15:35.000 I told him, just don't fuck my sister. 1.00

02:15:36.000 Like, no, there's no stories like that. 1.00

02:15:38.000 It's it's weird.

02:15:39.000 The story is weird.

02:15:41.000 The story of this guy who tells you universal truths that apply today.

02:15:47.000 You know, do treat everyone as if they are you.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 And that he figured this out 2,000 years ago.

02:15:54.000 I want to know who that guy was.

02:15:55.000 Like, what was going on with that guy?

02:15:57.000 Was that guy like the ultimate mushroom eater of all time?

02:16:00.000 Did he figure it all out back then?

02:16:02.000 And was he teaching these people that or was he an extraterrestrial?

02:16:06.000 Was he what we think of as the son of God because he literally is born from another life form and brought down to Earth to try to help our advancement?

02:16:15.000 It's all fascinating. 0.98

02:16:16.000 It is very fascinating because anybody who's Christian, like that's bullshit and blasphemy, and you don't know the canon. 1.00

02:16:23.000 You're right. 0.99

02:16:25.000 But you gotta throw the human being filter into the equation.

02:16:29.000 Always.

02:16:31.000 Look, there's some things about the human being filter that are really fascinating.

02:16:35.000 Like one of the things that uh Wes Huff told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed to when they translated it, they they found out it is 1,000 years older than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it, and they're identical, verbatim, word for word.

02:17:00.000 So that's where it gets crazy, right?

02:17:02.000 So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there, or get that book of Enoch out of there. 0.98

02:17:13.000 There's a few the we're humans, the human cat shit filter gets in the way, and you get human interaction with this, and then you lose some of the story. 1.00

02:17:24.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

02:17:25.000 What was the story though? 1.00

02:17:26.000 Yeah.

02:17:27.000 This is my take on all of it.

02:17:29.000 There was something that happened, man.

02:17:32.000 And we have this urge to deny that this something might have been some higher intelligence from somewhere else manipulating human genes.

02:17:44.000 But we do it.

02:17:46.000 I went to see the dire wolves last month.

02:17:50.000 How is that?

02:17:50.000 I wonder.

02:17:52.000 Insane.

02:17:53.000 Insane.

02:17:54.000 Are they the same ones that are gonna bring back the woolly mammoth, right?

02:17:57.000 Yes. 0.99

02:17:58.000 I went to see the fucking game of thrones direwolves. 1.00

02:18:02.000 They are so clearly not regular wolves. 1.00

02:18:04.000 Yeah.

02:18:05.000 It is why there's always people that are saying, like, technically speaking, according to my academy, this is not a real dire wolf.

02:18:13.000 Yeah.

02:18:14.000 You've just manipulated a great asasperated traits of the dire wolf in a girl.

02:18:18.000 You're correct.

02:18:20.000 However, tell it to the dire wolves.

02:18:22.000 That thing thinks it's a dire wolf, it looks like a dire wolf, it's gonna be it's behaving like a dire wolf.

02:18:27.000 My point is, we do that. 0.99

02:18:30.000 We fuck with genes of animals all the time. 0.99

02:18:33.000 Well, even you tell you and I've talked about look at our own genes. 0.99

02:18:37.000 Look at our genetic growth of our brain, and we try to go back and say it's because we went to hunter-gatherers and all of a sudden we burned meat, and then because we burned meat, our GI tract shrunk, and our GI tract shrunk, and a boot protein was absorbed and our brains are able to grow.

02:18:48.000 It still doesn't really account for how much our intelligence jumped and our brain capacity jumped.

02:18:54.000 Over just a small amount of time, historically, when you compare all the other animals on the planet, no other animal experience, anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size. 0.94

02:19:06.000 But we were already pretty fucking clever, pretty clever monkeys. 0.84

02:19:10.000 You know, monkeys have little languages, they tell each other when hawks are nearby, they scream. 0.96

02:19:14.000 You know, that they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit.

02:19:20.000 They'll yell out that there's an eagle, and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle, and then that monkey runs and gets the fruit. 0.60

02:19:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:27.000 So they have a language, they have deception, yeah, they're clever little fuckers, but they ain't shit compared to us. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:34.000 You know, you go from monkey to Elon Musk and you're like, what happened?

02:19:38.000 What happened?

02:19:38.000 Yeah.

02:19:39.000 Show me what you did.

02:19:39.000 Yeah.

02:19:41.000 How'd you get here?

02:19:42.000 How'd you get here?

02:19:44.000 There's no one has an answer.

02:19:45.000 You say, oh, well, it's natural selection, it's a random mutation, like, mm-hmm maybe.

02:19:52.000 Or maybe that book of Enoch trying to tell you something.

02:19:54.000 There's stuff Ezekiel's trying to tell you something.

02:19:58.000 Maybe maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky, and you can't even understand what he's seeing.

02:20:04.000 How come so many people have these just because I haven't had that experience doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and over.

02:20:12.000 There might be a reason why I haven't had that experience. 0.98

02:20:14.000 First of all, I have too much big of a platform and a big fucking mouth. 0.98

02:20:17.000 And I'd probably ruin the whole party. 0.99

02:20:20.000 But I wouldn't even, because no one would believe me.

02:20:22.000 It would just be one more thing that you ridicule.

02:20:25.000 And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you gotta wonder like what if they're telling the truth.

02:20:32.000 Did Gary get into um because go back to like the telepathy tapes and the the story with these autistic, nonverbal, autistic children?

02:20:40.000 I should say something about that though, before we go any further.

02:20:46.000 And he showed me what they're doing.

02:20:48.000 And one of the things that he said, he goes, No, no, no, these women are touching their sons while their sons are like moving the the words around.

02:20:54.000 They're assisting, they're helping them.

02:20:57.000 He goes, This if a a mental he goes, a scientist might not be able to see what they're doing, he goes, but a mentalist most certainly can. 1.00

02:21:04.000 And Oz Pearlman is fucking amazing at that shit. 1.00

02:21:08.000 I mean, he did some tricks where I figured out how he did it. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Jamie actually figured one of the things that he did out afterwards.

02:21:14.000 Don't need to tell anybody.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, we don't need to tell anybody.

02:21:16.000 We don't need to tell anybody. 0.96

02:21:17.000 I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey was doing all this crazy fucking amazing magician illusion shit, and Jamie's like fucking calling him out on everything he could figure out. 0.92

02:21:27.000 Well, Jamie's a little bit of a well- Let me tell you something though. 0.99

02:21:30.000 Me and Jamie, when we watched David Blaine, we were like, What the fuck did he do? 0.96

02:21:35.000 Like, what did he do? 0.99

02:21:36.000 How did he do that?

02:21:37.000 He was showing us car tricks off camera to my young daughter at the time.

02:21:42.000 We were baffled.

02:21:43.000 Jamie was watching him, his sleeves were rolled up.

02:21:46.000 Like, what did he do?

02:21:47.000 Like we watched it over and over and over again. 0.99

02:21:48.000 I don't know how the fuck he did it. 0.99

02:21:50.000 It was weird. 0.99

02:21:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:51.000 He's weirdly good at that shit. 1.00

02:21:54.000 Like weirdly good. 1.00

02:21:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:56.000 Where it's it's quite it's quite a mind fuck. 0.97

02:21:59.000 But so Oz Perlman's, but he's not doing real magic. 0.97

02:22:02.000 He's not a real sorcerer, right?

02:22:03.000 This is the point.

02:22:03.000 Yeah.

02:22:04.000 There's tricks.

02:22:06.000 And Oz was like, you you should not account for any of that evidence that they're showing you.

02:22:11.000 He goes, This is all like there's a a nonverbal communication between the mother and the son, but it involves touching.

02:22:17.000 It involves like pointing and signaling.

02:22:19.000 It's not as simple as the kid just figured it out.

02:22:22.000 And then he showed us a video of it, and we're like, oh, I thought it was like the kid was in another room, no one was around him, they gave him the iPad, he knew what to write down because it was in his head, because his mom had seen it.

02:22:35.000 It's not that simple.

02:22:37.000 So maybe there's some that he's uh dismissing that you can't dismiss.

02:22:41.000 I've heard Gary do he breaks down a certain brain anomaly that seems to be consistent with UAP experiencers.

02:22:48.000 Did he get into that?

02:22:49.000 No, he did not.

02:22:50.000 He's done like these brain scans and and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability, and every single one of them have this brain anomaly.

02:23:01.000 And his thing is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that makes you more per receptive or able to pick up on these things, or did the encounter itself create the anomaly?

02:23:14.000 Ooh.

02:23:15.000 Well, you gotta do a double blind placebo controlled test and have some kid wander through the desert for a couple of months, hopefully get adducted.

02:23:21.000 But that's the other thing. 0.97

02:23:22.000 They're not abducting they're they're you know, they're doing whatever the fuck they want to do. 0.93

02:23:26.000 They don't really care about your agenda if they are a real thing. 0.96

02:23:29.000 You know, and I don't know that they are.

02:23:31.000 I don't know that these aren't just psychotic dreams that people have.

02:23:34.000 I don't know.

02:23:35.000 Because dreams are very realistic, and dreams are often uniform.

02:23:39.000 Like a lot of people have dreams of falling, a lot of people have dreams of breathing underwater.

02:23:43.000 Does that mean you're really breathing underwater?

02:23:45.000 I just look at it logically and say there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos, and if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then that There's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time and with a big enough head start you would have the tech if you don't destroy yourself.

02:24:11.000 But what if they catch is if you don't destroy yourself?

02:24:14.000 And what if the test is does your society reach a level of consciousness that is non-destructive before you become an off planet species?

02:24:24.000 Well, my fear is the only way to do that is through technology.

02:24:28.000 My fear is that the only way to do that is to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now.

02:24:34.000 Artificial general superintelligence, and that we're gonna either have to merge or perish, and that we're gonna choose to merge.

02:24:42.000 And one of the one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior.

02:24:54.000 All those things are have to go bye bye.

02:24:56.000 That's my fear.

02:24:58.000 That's why the gray aliens all look uniform. 0.99

02:25:00.000 They look all the same minds and they don't use their lips, they they talk with their minds, and that's probably the future of the human race.

02:25:09.000 That's probably why it's there.

02:25:11.000 When you see that iconic image from Close Encounters of the Third Con there's something about that that makes sense, right?

02:25:16.000 Because that goes, Oh, I guess that's where we're going.

02:25:18.000 Because it seems like where we're going. 0.98

02:25:20.000 If we go from, you know, ancient hominids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding, you know, whether or not trans fucking uh activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed. 0.98

02:25:41.000 Like you know what I mean? 0.98

02:25:43.000 Like that's that's where well, where's it going after that?

02:25:45.000 What's good?

02:25:46.000 I think that's part of what's going on with like this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems, killing everybody's endocrine system, significant drop in testosterone from the 1970s, significant increase in miscarriages.

02:26:02.000 Like we're becoming non-biological sexually becoming demolition man.

02:26:07.000 Do you remember the movie Demolition Man?

02:26:08.000 Well, yeah.

02:26:09.000 But we are criticizing feminine.

02:26:11.000 Yeah, and and at that time it's like greetings and salutations, yeah.

02:26:15.000 Like nobody has violence or anything.

02:26:17.000 We're criticizing normal femininity, uh, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which is CEOs.

02:26:31.000 We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly.

02:26:35.000 We're celebrating men becoming feminists. 1.00

02:26:38.000 We're celebrating men who uh are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that shithead was wearing, and it's like he was posing with that outfit on like look at me, I'm free. 1.00

02:26:49.000 This is how I behave, and I want hepy shots for all the babies. 1.00

02:26:52.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:26:53.000 Like we're a society that's lost its fucking way, clearly. 1.00

02:26:59.000 We've lost our way. 0.99

02:27:00.000 And what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over a head and everybody's locked in and everybody's together in this. 1.00

02:27:10.000 But who's gonna control that fucking thing? 0.99

02:27:11.000 It has to be decentralized. 0.99

02:27:13.000 It has to be literally like connected to some sort of uh uh a hive mind blockchain.

02:27:18.000 It's the only way it's gonna work.

02:27:20.000 It's never gonna work if you have a corporation like Google or Meta or any other corporation that that is censorship.

02:27:28.000 Like even these chat bots ask chat bots about like racial statistics for homicides and things like that.

02:27:35.000 They don't want to profile.

02:27:37.000 They don't want to give you answers on things like that that are really inconvenient and that people don't like it.

02:27:37.000 They don't want to do that.

02:27:41.000 You saw that crazy fucking software they that Israeli counter-surveillance software they just launched last week after that shooting. 0.99

02:27:49.000 That's just pretty scary. 0.99

02:27:50.000 What are you talking about?

02:27:51.000 There's a software that they're launching that tracks all the toys.

02:27:59.000 The the way I understand it and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it as a good thing, but I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority reports.

02:28:08.000 So every chat room if you're saying something that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere on the internet or in in Instagram or in a private chat, supposedly this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat and they would have been able to cat yeah, that's I'm like, then it what the fuck are we headed towards?

02:28:34.000 It's gonna be like the statistical algorithm says they you have a seventy percent chance of committing a violent crime today.

02:28:40.000 You're arrested.

02:28:41.000 And again, who's in control of that?

02:28:43.000 The slippery guy.

02:28:44.000 The guy with like you know what I mean?

02:28:46.000 Yeah, like Peter Thiel's a a part of all that.

02:28:48.000 But this is not a knock on Peter Thiel.

02:28:51.000 No human should have the ability to have access to that information and decide who gets it and who doesn't.

02:28:56.000 Yeah.

02:28:56.000 No human should be able to decide whether or not you can connect to the hypemind of the entire human race and use a telepathic language.

02:29:06.000 Israeli military creating chat GPT like tool using vast collection of Palestinian surveillance data.

02:29:14.000 And they're supposedly going to be here.

02:29:16.000 Is that what they're talking about?

02:29:18.000 I think it's Palantir, because what I heard is an Israeli back system. 0.98

02:29:22.000 Well, we should be real clear then, because I feel like I was talking about Palantir earlier and we're gonna get sued.

02:29:28.000 So this is a different thing.

02:29:31.000 Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tool similar to Chat GPT that it hopes will transform its spying capabilities.

02:29:44.000 Wow.

02:29:47.000 Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chat bot like tool capable of answering questions about people it is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects.

02:30:01.000 So that's what it's doing.

02:30:03.000 And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're gonna start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us against potential threats. 0.99

02:30:16.000 And I was like that shit's not good. 0.99

02:30:19.000 That sounds terrifying. 0.99

02:30:20.000 And I guarantee they're not gonna say a peep about SSRIs.

02:30:22.000 How about that?

02:30:23.000 It brings it all back to this connection.

02:30:25.000 I bet they won't bring that part up.

02:30:27.000 Yeah.

02:30:28.000 Nope.

02:30:29.000 So you got all your surveillance.

02:30:30.000 Did you notice anything?

02:30:32.000 Would you guys did you guys notice anything?

02:30:34.000 You notice Trump administration is silently employing Palantir to gather personal data of each American, raising privacy data misuse concerns.

02:30:43.000 So this is a different thing, so what is it doing?

02:30:47.000 So this is totally different than the Israeli thing, right? 0.89

02:30:49.000 Okay, yeah.

02:30:50.000 I guess I got a mix.

02:30:50.000 Okay.

02:30:51.000 No worries, but they're both kind of creepy.

02:30:53.000 Uh gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data.

02:31:02.000 So what is it doing?

02:31:03.000 How is it doing this?

02:31:05.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:31:06.000 Does it say it's not gonna tell you how it's doing it?

02:31:08.000 Doesn't say how it works.

02:31:09.000 Um capabilities and data organization and analysis could potentially enable the merging of information from various agencies, thereby creating detailed profiles of American citizens.

02:31:09.000 No.

02:31:19.000 The Trump administration but profiles curated by who?

02:31:22.000 Right.

02:31:23.000 It says citizen data from the government, including bank accounts.

02:31:26.000 Go back to that.

02:31:27.000 It says bank accounts.

02:31:27.000 Did you see that?

02:31:31.000 Guys, guys, guys.

02:31:33.000 Who signed off on this?

02:31:34.000 Is this already implemented?

02:31:37.000 Access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims, and disability status.

02:31:46.000 Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham.

02:31:49.000 We might have to come knock on your door.

02:31:50.000 We don't like your tweets.

02:31:53.000 Oh, by the way, um Graham Lineah, the guy who was on the podcast, he got arrested when he went back to the UK.

02:32:01.000 The guy who was on the podcast who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly, went went back to the UK and they arrested him. 0.76

02:32:18.000 They had they met armed police, met him at the airport and arrested him for tweets for three tweets.

02:32:26.000 If you go to my Twitter, I retweeted it, I retweeted the story.

02:32:31.000 Um you uh go to that.

02:32:33.000 That's scary because they we were headed that way. 0.99

02:32:35.000 Oh, fucking headed that way. 0.98

02:32:37.000 Yeah, 100%, and we still could be, you know? 0.99

02:32:39.000 Yeah.

02:32:40.000 And we still could be.

02:32:41.000 And when people say, Oh, you voted for fascism.

02:32:44.000 No, I I don't think anybody should be in control of this country.

02:32:47.000 Any one person.

02:32:47.000 Okay.

02:32:48.000 But believe me, I don't.

02:32:50.000 I don't think anybody's good at it.

02:32:51.000 But I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes, like using auto Pen to sign off on all kinds of executive orders that he didn't even fucking know what the details of were, which is explained we had that conversation with Mike Johnson, and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was.

02:33:13.000 I'm not in favor of keeping that.

02:33:15.000 That's all it is, folks.

02:33:16.000 And I am in favor of R. F. Kennedy.

02:33:19.000 And I think a lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms bring back American jobs are positive.

02:33:29.000 I don't like the coin.

02:33:29.000 Yeah.

02:33:31.000 I don't like the drug core. 0.99

02:33:32.000 I think that's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:33:34.000 That's a crazy move. 1.00

02:33:35.000 But is it illegal?

02:33:36.000 I don't know.

02:33:37.000 Are they all corrupt? 0.62

02:33:38.000 I think they are.

02:33:39.000 Graham Linehan has been arrested at Heathrow by five police, five armed police officers.

02:33:45.000 His crime was these three posts.

02:33:48.000 Uh look at these three posts.

02:33:50.000 So click on it and we'll um we'll get to see.

02:33:53.000 This is what he says is that if a trans-identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent abusive act. 1.00

02:34:01.000 Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. 0.99

02:34:05.000 Comedy writer, also his opinion. 1.00

02:34:08.000 Can't have that in the UK.

02:34:10.000 So this one says uh a photo you can smell, and it's all these people that are protesting.

02:34:15.000 I don't know what the context of this is. 1.00

02:34:18.000 Uh the other one is I hate them, misogynists, and homophobes, fuck them. 1.00

02:34:22.000 So these three tweets are a problem. 1.00

02:34:25.000 So the idea of massages and homophobes.

02:34:27.000 You go, wait a minute, no, no, no.

02:34:29.000 These are people that are LBDC TQ two plus as uh I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic because it's saying you're not gay, you're a woman.

02:34:41.000 And you're attracted to men, but you're a woman. 1.00

02:34:44.000 Well, if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay. 1.00

02:34:49.000 And there's data to show that. 1.00

02:34:51.000 So a lot of gay people, including Tim Dylan, think of this movement as being homophobic.

02:34:57.000 I know that's so counterintuitive for other people.

02:35:00.000 The idea of it being misogynistic.

02:35:02.000 Well, how is it misogynistic?

02:35:03.000 Well, what better way to harm women than to allow male predators to just tell you they're a woman. 0.72

02:35:12.000 I'm not a wolf, I'm a grandma.

02:35:14.000 Put on the bonnet, and now you're in the chicken coop. 1.00

02:35:17.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

02:35:19.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00

02:35:20.000 And to say that you're protecting women, including trans women, is like that's a new thing. 1.00

02:35:27.000 That's a new thing that you invented without taking into account perverts.

02:35:32.000 You didn't take them into account at all. 0.99

02:35:33.000 You didn't take into account sex offenders and psychopaths and mentally ill people. 0.97

02:35:38.000 You just said all trans women are women. 1.00

02:35:42.000 Well, you just opened up the door and gave a fucking free pass to psychos to wear a dress. 1.00

02:35:48.000 And if you don't want to admit that, that's misogynistic because you're not really protecting women. 0.99

02:35:55.000 Because you think you're by protecting well, if we have to protect all women, because trans women are women. 0.93

02:36:00.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:36:01.000 That's a man.

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:03.000 That's a man, and you're using words, you're using sounds you make with your mouth to distort biological reality.

02:36:12.000 And we're and the the guises that if you don't do that, that you're non-empathetic. 0.57

02:36:16.000 Well, that's crazy talk.

02:36:19.000 That's crazy.

02:36:20.000 And so that tweet is correct.

02:36:24.000 It but while being a good person.

02:36:25.000 Did he have to stay in jail or they let him go?

02:36:27.000 Bro, I don't know, man, but he had to go to the hospital because his blood pressure spiked. 0.99

02:36:31.000 He went fucking crazy. 0.93

02:36:32.000 He's a good guy, man. 1.00

02:36:34.000 He's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's super successful in the UK.

02:36:38.000 And he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans-identified, a lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues. 0.94

02:36:45.000 And they've also been people that have been fucked over by the system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans and they wanted to cut their hair off. 0.95

02:36:56.000 They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of like showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman. 0.98

02:36:56.000 They have all his hair. 0.98

02:37:04.000 It's such a weird topic because it's such a small percentage of society, but it occupies so much bandwidth.

02:37:10.000 Well, this is in the public forums.

02:37:12.000 I think this is pure evidence that our our interactions are being co-opted.

02:37:18.000 And it's it's great evidence that a lot this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Bezmanov talked about in the 1980s, where they were talking about demoralization.

02:37:29.000 That The goal wasn't the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins, or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins.

02:37:40.000 That was not the goal.

02:37:41.000 The goal is to make people lose faith in all of these institutions.

02:37:45.000 Lose faith completely.

02:37:47.000 Demoralize them.

02:37:48.000 Demoralize them.

02:37:50.000 Keep them at each other's back. 0.99

02:37:51.000 Convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and they're this and they're that and they're Nazis and this. 0.99

02:37:58.000 Keep them at each other's throats.

02:38:01.000 That's why this thing has become so but the problem is then kids get caught up in it.

02:38:04.000 Because it becomes a part of the zeitgeist.

02:38:06.000 It becomes a part of the the culture.

02:38:08.000 You know, kids wear bell bottoms, kids do this.

02:38:11.000 I'm non-binary.

02:38:12.000 Like they just jump in.

02:38:13.000 They jump in because they want to be a part of a group.

02:38:15.000 They jump in because they want to be noticed.

02:38:17.000 And then they get rewarded.

02:38:18.000 You're amazing.

02:38:19.000 You're amazing.

02:38:20.000 No one ever told them they're amazing before.

02:38:21.000 Next thing you know, they're getting hormones. 0.97

02:38:23.000 Next thing you know, they're on this road.

02:38:25.000 And maybe they were autistic.

02:38:26.000 And maybe they do they have they're just weird with social interactions.

02:38:29.000 And you're getting you're tricking kids.

02:38:31.000 And that's a part of this.

02:38:33.000 It doesn't it doesn't mean that there haven't historically been people that feel like they're in the wrong body.

02:38:38.000 I'm sure there have been.

02:38:39.000 That is not this.

02:38:41.000 This is this is a giant thing that's happening.

02:38:44.000 And I think it's being manipulated.

02:38:47.000 And I think a lot of it is it's social media manipulation where a bunch of these people aren't even real people, and they're the most vocal and the most outrageous about it.

02:38:56.000 And they're organized.

02:38:57.000 You go to these these rallies.

02:38:58.000 Why does everybody have the same sign?

02:39:00.000 Where'd you get your sign?

02:39:01.000 Who who made these signs?

02:39:03.000 Why are they so good?

02:39:04.000 Who's who's the sign guy?

02:39:06.000 I do know all the counterintelligence stuff is that you know China and a lot of these nations play the long game, right?

02:39:11.000 They're in it for a 20-year run.

02:39:13.000 It's not they're not trying to hundred year run.

02:39:15.000 Yeah, it's what's the best way to do that?

02:39:16.000 Demoralize America.

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 What's the best way to do that?

02:39:19.000 Like g pay off all these fucking doctors to prescribe as much medication as possible. 0.99

02:39:25.000 We have a lot of money in the pharmaceutical drug companies. 1.00

02:39:27.000 Anyway, this way we profit.

02:39:29.000 Let's keep the ball rolling, pay off all these politicians.

02:39:33.000 Let's just be as demonic as possible and try to ruin this amazing experiment in self-democracy.

02:39:40.000 Scary.

02:39:41.000 Yeah.

02:39:42.000 It's a battle.

02:39:42.000 This amazing experiment in self-government that's really never been tried before, like we're doing it.

02:39:47.000 It's a new thing.

02:39:48.000 You know, and this new thing also coincides with this other new thing.

02:39:52.000 And this other new thing is the internet. 0.95

02:39:54.000 And the internet is awesome and scary, and it's being used by scumbags and brilliant people.

02:40:00.000 Everyone is all swimming around in this sea of ideas, and at least according to some people, 80% of it is bots. 0.77

02:40:10.000 That part's nuts.

02:40:12.000 That part's nuts.

02:40:12.000 Well, and then with chat with large language models, I keep saying chat with any large language model.

02:40:17.000 I mean, man, when you interact with them and it even shows up on my feeds, I see uh, you know, they know how to target us, they know like everything, they know how to capture my attention.

02:40:27.000 And it's like now I'm like I showed Amanda a video the other day, and she's like, Oh, that's AI.

02:40:32.000 And I had to do like a double take.

02:40:33.000 So that's kind of like half paying attention.

02:40:35.000 But it was a hundred percent all AI generated.

02:40:35.000 Yeah.

02:40:38.000 I'm like, damn, man. 0.99

02:40:39.000 Like, what are we gonna do in another 18 months? 0.99

02:40:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:40:43.000 Like, you're not gonna know what's real.

02:40:45.000 You're not gonna have any idea. 0.98

02:40:46.000 I see them doing ads for you all the fucking time shows up on my feed. 0.99

02:40:50.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:40:51.000 You Huberman.

02:40:52.000 I get people to call me up and then. 0.98

02:40:53.000 Yeah, and the only reason I know it's bullshit is because it's I know you're not advertising for that. 0.91

02:40:57.000 And I know Huberman's not advertising for that. 0.97

02:40:59.000 And I'm like, I don't even know how they can legally get away with it.

02:41:02.000 I mean, I think they get hammered, but we we go after them and we have them take them down, but they sometimes they don't listen.

02:41:07.000 They took one of our podcasts, it showed up on YouTube.

02:41:10.000 It was one of our podcasts, I don't even remember what you were saying, but it was you breaking down something to do with wastewell and how it's helped you, but it wasn't Ways Well, they plug in their like product.

02:41:21.000 Of course. 0.99

02:41:22.000 And I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers. 1.00

02:41:24.000 These motherfuckers, man, they do it with everything. 1.00

02:41:25.000 They do it with some sleep apnea mouthpiece, they do it with all kinds of shit, man. 1.00

02:41:30.000 They just they this like people different rappers will have me saying that they're the best rapper ever. 0.99

02:41:37.000 And they put it up on TikTok to try to get some clout.

02:41:41.000 It's wild, man.

02:41:42.000 We're in a wild time.

02:41:43.000 But again, it's we're experiencing great change, and it's not it doesn't go easy, and that's why there's so much chaos.

02:41:51.000 But you can't lose your humanity in all this, folks.

02:41:54.000 This is this is the trap, and this is the the trap that's being accentuated by social media. 0.98

02:41:59.000 This uh tribal Trap of thinking that um the other side is evil and to buy to combat them, you have to be evil and and you have to be super mean and shitty because it's justified because those people are fascists or those people are Nazis. 0.97

02:42:16.000 Like that's trap. 0.95

02:42:18.000 It's all a trap.

02:42:19.000 I can tell you a hundred percent industry.

02:42:21.000 I witnessed it when I testified at the federal and the state level.

02:42:25.000 Industry is attempting to separate and divide us to turn things into issues that aren't anywhere related.

02:42:32.000 Right.

02:42:33.000 This is about racism, this is about sexism.

02:42:35.000 This is it's all a ploy to divide and conquer.

02:42:38.000 Because if we're fighting each other, we're not united, and we can't fight industry.

02:42:43.000 But the real evil empire is all these people pulling the strings and ram rotting agendas that are killing millions of Americans every year.

02:42:51.000 Yes.

02:42:51.000 And they're doing it for profit.

02:42:53.000 And that is probably in the Bible.

02:42:57.000 That's probably that's probably demonic.

02:42:59.000 It's probab I mean that the idea of what uh demonic uh thoughts are.

02:43:05.000 What what are evil thoughts?

02:43:07.000 I think there's this constant battle because that's the only way you get better.

02:43:11.000 That's what I think.

02:43:12.000 I think on a macro level, like when when you when you just thinking about life, right?

02:43:17.000 How do you get strong?

02:43:18.000 You get strong by working out.

02:43:19.000 So you have to push yourself to so you're weak.

02:43:22.000 Like you can't do another push-up.

02:43:23.000 And that's how you get strong at doing push-ups.

02:43:26.000 It's the only way.

02:43:27.000 The only way to get really good is to combat evil.

02:43:30.000 You don't just get good.

02:43:32.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 Like there's no reason to be good.

02:43:33.000 Like it doesn't matter.

02:43:34.000 Like everybody's good.

02:43:36.000 Everybody's fine. 1.00

02:43:37.000 Life is boring as fuck. 1.00

02:43:38.000 You have to have some evil. 1.00

02:43:40.000 And you have evil so that you realize that good is so much better.

02:43:43.000 It's a so much better choice.

02:43:44.000 But the choice is not just in like on a societal level.

02:43:49.000 This the choice is you on an individual.

02:43:53.000 And there's moments in your life where you can decide whether you're gonna be evil or are you gonna be good.

02:43:58.000 Or maybe you decide, like, hey, what I did, I don't like.

02:44:00.000 I don't know, I feel evil.

02:44:02.000 I feel like I shouldn't have done that.

02:44:03.000 And then you have to realize like that that's a part of growth.

02:44:05.000 It's a connector.

02:44:07.000 It's a battle.

02:44:08.000 And this battle is what we're experiencing right now, but my fear is that there's a lot of us that are unaware of the the actual full impact of all of these other factors that aren't really people.

02:44:25.000 These bots and corporations and propaganda and how they're gathered that fat guy arguing with you on that video. 1.00

02:44:33.000 Yeah, that's a gaslighting motherfucker. 1.00

02:44:36.000 Like, I don't listen to you if you look like that if you're telling me about health. 1.00

02:44:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:41.000 Yeah.

02:44:42.000 Period.

02:44:43.000 Like, get someone who looks like Huberman.

02:44:45.000 Yeah.

02:44:46.000 Get someone who looks like he can fight in the UFC tomorrow.

02:44:49.000 Right.

02:44:49.000 That I'll listen to that guy.

02:44:49.000 Yeah.

02:44:52.000 Yeah, it's like you don't eat hell from a skinny chef.

02:44:54.000 Like, you know, the things people say.

02:44:56.000 It's like if you have an obese doctor who's not taking care of themselves, it it's not an attack on obesity.

02:45:02.000 It's hard for me to trust your decision making.

02:45:05.000 Hold on, though.

02:45:05.000 Philip Franklin Lee's thin.

02:45:07.000 He's one of the best fucking chefs alive. 0.99

02:45:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:45:10.000 That's true.

02:45:10.000 Philip broke the mold.

02:45:12.000 He broke that mold.

02:45:12.000 But he had to get thin.

02:45:13.000 He got to get helpful.

02:45:15.000 I know you did.

02:45:15.000 We helped him.

02:45:16.000 We helped him lose a shitload of weight.

02:45:18.000 I think he's lost 20 pounds, but then also we uncovered a bunch of toxins in his system.

02:45:22.000 He posted about it the other day.

02:45:24.000 Yeah.

02:45:24.000 And he's like, this is from when I started to now.

02:45:27.000 And you can see it in his blood work.

02:45:29.000 All of these different contaminants are now at like physiological normal levels where they were at spiked levels before.

02:45:35.000 Like microplastics is one of them.

02:45:37.000 Yeah, microplastics are a big one.

02:45:39.000 And the problem is it goes into your brain. 0.97

02:45:41.000 Do you know most people have like a plastic fork, like a fucking picnic fork sized amount of things? 1.00

02:45:51.000 That's insane. 0.99

02:45:53.000 Yeah, you we're like, what's causing depression?

02:45:55.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:45:56.000 It could be this or this or this or this.

02:45:58.000 So this goes back to what I was saying is gonna happen to us.

02:46:01.000 If I was I mean, obviously, I gotta say it, but I've already said it, but I just gotta say it so you know I'm not Peter Thiel.

02:46:07.000 I love us.

02:46:08.000 I love humans.

02:46:10.000 I love Peter Thiel.

02:46:11.000 He's a nice guy.

02:46:12.000 My interactions with him.

02:46:13.000 Yeah.

02:46:13.000 I mean, I don't know if he's evil.

02:46:15.000 I don't think he is.

02:46:17.000 I think all of these factors that are destroying our endocrine system, making us less sexual, all these confusions, society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap.

02:46:32.000 That the only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend. 0.97

02:46:39.000 And you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now. 0.96

02:46:44.000 This this Manhattan project that's going on right now between open AI and Grok and then they're fucking sabotaging each other and stealing data. 0.96

02:46:54.000 Do you hear about that guy that left Grok and he he downloaded the entire Grok database and then fucking sold it to ChatGPT? 0.86

02:47:02.000 No. 0.87

02:47:03.000 Find that.

02:47:04.000 So yeah.

02:47:06.000 Wait, can we pause for a second?

02:47:07.000 You gotta P?

02:47:08.000 I've been holding it.

02:47:08.000 Yeah.

02:47:09.000 I've been chugging water.

02:47:10.000 Go ahead, P and come back. 0.97

02:47:10.000 Okay, go ahead. 0.97

02:47:11.000 Alright.

02:47:11.000 We'll find that.

02:47:13.000 Uh the sweet relief of P. But so that's what I think is happening to us.

02:47:18.000 I think we're becoming some new thing.

02:47:20.000 And I think it's uh gonna happen way quicker than we'd like it to be.

02:47:23.000 While no engineer sold Grok to open AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing Grok's secrets before leaving X AI to join OpenAI.

02:47:37.000 So Elon tweeted that he downloaded XAI accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for Grok shortly before and after his resignation.

02:47:51.000 Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to open AI servers.

02:47:58.000 So that they're they're they're doing that, and then also I think OpenAI had a situation when they they believe that Chinese uh some Chinese uh scientists had access to their data, like something happened where there was some sort of uh a breach of security, and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the shut stuff that they're doing.

02:48:23.000 So see if you can find that story.

02:48:25.000 Because I just butchered that.

02:48:26.000 All of the AI doing that.

02:48:28.000 Of course they're doing that.

02:48:29.000 Why would they not do that if they've done that with everything else?

02:48:32.000 Why would they not do that?

02:48:32.000 OpenAI takes down chat GPT accounts linked to state-backed hacking and disinformation.

02:48:38.000 State backed threat actors from a handful of countries are now using chat GPT for illicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns.

02:48:49.000 OpenAI said this week, Jesus Christ.

02:48:51.000 Of course.

02:48:52.000 Of course they're using Chat GPT to scam people.

02:48:56.000 Of course.

02:48:57.000 I just look at all the ways it's gonna impact society from jobs and everything.

02:49:01.000 We're gonna live in the craziest of times.

02:49:04.000 Go back to the look at it, stirring the social media pot.

02:49:07.000 OpenAI said it banned dozens of accounts and saw using Chat GPT to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a cur a covert influence campaign or operation.

02:49:20.000 Many of the China-based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of USAID, various sides of divisive topics within US political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, uh say that name, who is publicly criticized China's investments in Balochistan.

02:49:49.000 Would you even uh ever thought that was a real country?

02:49:52.000 That seems like that sounds like something that the Game of Thrones guy would write down.

02:49:57.000 The account sought to create social media comments in English, Chinese, and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other social media platforms.

02:50:07.000 Yeah.

02:50:07.000 This is the point.

02:50:08.000 Like this, we know that this has been going on, right?

02:50:11.000 We know that China has AI, Russia has AI, we have competing, there's meta AI, there's Google Gemini, there's uh Grok with X AI, there's Chat GPT, which is open AI.

02:50:25.000 There's a ton of them.

02:50:27.000 There's perplexity, there's a whole bunch of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God. 0.92

02:50:37.000 Well, and so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity and the direction we're headed, AI and that component, and there's that technological component, but there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR. 0.91

02:50:48.000 Yes. 0.89

02:50:49.000 And the direction we're headed, and we can now edit your genes. 0.95

02:50:52.000 And I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change so essentially we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create that a clone, and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain, and we can now edit in roughly twenty points of IQ.

02:51:11.000 So through CRISPR, you can edit somebody's intelligence by twenty IQ points.

02:51:16.000 That's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein.

02:51:18.000 Now what if you do that three, four, five generations down?

02:51:22.000 You're being so kind to Arnold Schwarzenegger.

02:51:24.000 You would be able to create superhumans.

02:51:26.000 Yeah.

02:51:26.000 I don't know.

02:51:27.000 But that's what it that's what it said in uh what is it?

02:51:29.000 Uh the gene editing, I don't remember which gene is.

02:51:31.000 Is Arnold a genius?

02:51:32.000 No, no, the difference that the big Trump though is just 20 IQ points to be Albert Einstein.

02:51:37.000 But what's Albert at?

02:51:37.000 Right.

02:51:38.000 I don't even know.

02:51:39.000 This is in the book fifty.

02:51:41.000 Hacking Darwin, the book Hacking Darwin explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to essentially and China's already doing this.

02:51:50.000 100%.

02:51:51.000 They're already doing that.

02:51:52.000 He's like, whoops, I didn't mean to do that.

02:51:52.000 The guy went to jail.

02:51:54.000 And they're saying they mean genes.

02:51:58.000 They're saying they're inoculating them from HIV.

02:52:00.000 Like, who's getting HIV? 1.00

02:52:01.000 Shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

02:52:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:02.000 And they just accidentally got smarter. 1.00

02:52:04.000 Yeah.

02:52:05.000 And so then the problem becomes go back to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the 80s.

02:52:09.000 When everyone starts creating, you know little uh superhumans and everyone's gonna look back almost back to demolition man, what we were talking about.

02:52:19.000 You're you don't you create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life.

02:52:31.000 And look and minimizing chronic disease.

02:52:33.000 But if we just add a little spice here, we can make them twice as smart. 0.70

02:52:37.000 Of course.

02:52:38.000 And then everyone's gonna do that.

02:52:39.000 Of course.

02:52:40.000 And then if you don't, China does.

02:52:42.000 Russia does. 0.52

02:52:43.000 So then where's America have to do?

02:52:44.000 We have to counterpunch.

02:52:46.000 Well the thing is they're probably already doing it.

02:52:48.000 And the thing, like China is so advanced with so many different technologies right now that most most people are just not aware.

02:52:55.000 They're not aware.

02:52:56.000 And someone was describing that um about how God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was uh talking about how essentially what goes on in China is say if they want to get into uh solar panels, if like they start producing solar panels.

02:53:13.000 The government will get involved and say, we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels, and then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company, and only the best ones are gonna survive.

02:53:28.000 And it's all funded by the smart idea.

02:53:31.000 It's a very smart idea.

02:53:32.000 And through that, they've developed the best drones, definitely the best electric cars.

02:53:37.000 Out of nowhere, China has the best electric cars.

02:53:40.000 Like by a mile, like by a country mile, dude.

02:53:44.000 There's nothing even in America, even if you have like one of those uh But we got the best American muscle cars.

02:53:50.000 We definitely do.

02:53:51.000 But that's a different thing, right?

02:53:52.000 But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us.

02:53:56.000 So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI while we're all battling and out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there.

02:54:08.000 And if they really did steal all the chat GPT database, did they did they did China have access to chat GPT to um open AI's database?

02:54:19.000 Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach?

02:54:23.000 What what came when I typed in breach and with those words, that's what came up is what I showed you.

02:54:27.000 So something else, a different story would be a different story.

02:54:31.000 I read I was reading too that China's beating us in the arms race of energy infrastructure to be able to actually implement this level of AI.

02:54:40.000 Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that. 0.97

02:54:48.000 Well, they're making fucking shitloads of coal factories in China. 0.85

02:54:53.000 It's like they're playing this multi-level game and they're using all of our cultural hotspots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this and that and prayer and schools, and you think it's organic. 0.99

02:55:07.000 You think people are really fighting in the street for all these things.

02:55:10.000 But it's not.

02:55:11.000 It's other countries want us doing this, including our own country.

02:55:16.000 One of the wild things that um representative Luna said when she was here.

02:55:16.000 Yeah.

02:55:22.000 Well, one of the wild things, she said there's a lot of problems they don't want to solve so that they could fundraise against them.

02:55:30.000 Wow.

02:55:31.000 And I was like, that is so dark, and I believe it. 1.00

02:55:34.000 I never thought about it that way, but I believe it.

02:55:37.000 It makes sense.

02:55:37.000 I think marijuana legalization is one of those.

02:55:40.000 I think it's one of those.

02:55:41.000 I think there's there's there's a few of those things out there that you know it's dark, but I think it's true.

02:55:51.000 I think they don't want solutions.

02:55:53.000 They want to keep their job.

02:55:54.000 The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of health care and compounding how much AI is going to impact workplace and infrastructure.

02:56:08.000 And and just reality.

02:56:10.000 Like at our pharmacy, you know, we have almost 300 people, and we were looking at this software.

02:56:16.000 I needed to expand and hire more people.

02:56:17.000 I needed 200 people.

02:56:18.000 We can't hire fast enough.

02:56:20.000 And I'm looking at this and we're going, if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go hire 200 people, and then we just get to promote the people who are already with us.

02:56:32.000 But at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all of our jobs?

02:56:37.000 Like all of our jobs.

02:56:39.000 And it will.

02:56:39.000 Even in his own blog, he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that this is going to replace almost all jobs everywhere in the world.

02:56:51.000 Who's that dude?

02:56:52.000 Is a diary of a CEO host?

02:56:55.000 Oh, yeah, I know who you're talking about.

02:56:56.000 I don't know his name, but is his name, Jerry?

02:56:58.000 Yeah.

02:56:58.000 Uh the British guy.

02:57:01.000 No, no, no.

02:57:06.000 And candidly, it does it better.

02:57:08.000 Stephen Bartlett.

02:57:09.000 Stephen Bartlett.

02:57:10.000 So he was having a conversation with someone where he was saying that one of his friends, he knows someone who's like a AI guy.

02:57:18.000 And privately he he talks very different than he does publicly.

02:57:23.000 Publicly, he's talking about, oh, it's gonna be amazing.

02:57:26.000 You know, look it's gonna be benefit, and but in private, he's like, this is gonna be crazy, and no one's ready for it.

02:57:31.000 And that's what I think.

02:57:32.000 Uh I agree.

02:57:36.000 You watching all that, yeah.

02:57:38.000 They're evolving quick.

02:57:39.000 That's gonna be interesting, but I think that's a side project.

02:57:42.000 That's that's like uh it's a distraction.

02:57:46.000 The the ri the real thing is gonna be non-physical.

02:57:48.000 The real thing is gonna be this bizarre connection that we have to this ultimate intelligence that's gonna be pumped straight into your dome. 0.97

02:57:54.000 You're not gonna want to fuck that robot when you're when you're literally plugged into the matrix. 1.00

02:58:00.000 Like the physical like sex robot that everybody dreams of. 1.00

02:58:04.000 There's gonna be a few losers like live in the hills and you know, wear overalls and fucking kill squirrels all day, and then they have this sex robot they come home and fuck. 1.00

02:58:13.000 Maybe. 1.00

02:58:14.000 I think most people are gonna integrate.

02:58:16.000 And it's gonna be just like cell phones.

02:58:18.000 Like most people, you know, I know a lot of people like eh, I don't even carry your cell phone.

02:58:22.000 I fucking think you're saying that, and you have one of the most interesting, colorful lives. 0.94

02:58:28.000 Imagine the person who's just fucking grinding and showing up to their job every day that they hate and they can escape. 0.99

02:58:35.000 Like they they already are escaping in these virtual worlds, like even kids, like it's different with kids. 0.98

02:58:41.000 I I I like I've watched younger kids now, they hang out with their friends and like online.

02:58:48.000 Like they don't go like have to ride over, like we rode bikes over to our friends' houses and stuff.

02:58:53.000 They would all hang out and play whatever that Roblox or whatever it is with their friends.

02:58:57.000 Yep.

02:58:57.000 Yep in chat rooms.

02:58:59.000 But I used to do that.

02:59:00.000 I used to get online and and play my friends on Quake.

02:59:03.000 They were friends that was only friends with online.

02:59:06.000 Well, it's fun.

02:59:06.000 Yeah.

02:59:07.000 You know, and when right now, you know, you're dealing with just looking at a screen.

02:59:12.000 When you're actually in the game, then things are gonna get real weird.

02:59:15.000 Things are gonna get so fucking strange. 0.84

02:59:18.000 Because already these um like meta glasses, those fucking things that you put on, what are what are the the Oculus system? 0.97

02:59:25.000 What is it called, Jamie? 0.99

02:59:26.000 What is meta call it?

02:59:28.000 Which one?

02:59:28.000 What they're they're their latest and greatest virtual reality, the virtual reality headset, sorry.

02:59:33.000 Yeah, MetaQuest.

02:59:33.000 MetaQuest.

02:59:34.000 Dude, pretty fucking incredible. 0.95

02:59:37.000 Pretty fun. 0.98

02:59:38.000 Pretty exciting, you know.

02:59:39.000 And once they figure out haptic feedback, like legitimate haptic feedback, especially if if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, it was something that just clamps to your forehead and uh gets a a reading on your brain the same way like like when you look at your phone, it opens up because it you do that stupid thing, the face ID.

02:59:58.000 Yeah, where you like program the image of your phone and an iPhone.

03:00:02.000 Is it just recognizes you?

03:00:04.000 Oh, hello, Brigham.

03:00:05.000 Like it knows your brain signals, and it's like close your eyes and count back from ten, nine, yeah, eight, and then you see the whole consciousness sink down sh and now all of a sudden you're in a warehouse.

03:00:17.000 Choose your armor. 1.00

03:00:18.000 Like fuck yeah. 1.00

03:00:19.000 And he put an armor on. 1.00

03:00:21.000 It's black mirror.

03:00:23.000 We're gonna be living in black mirror.

03:00:25.000 What the weapons do and uh what what zombies are the most dangerous.

03:00:29.000 You're like okay, okay. 0.98

03:00:31.000 And then they just fucking open it up. 0.99

03:00:33.000 I'm not gonna lie it does sound fun as long as we don't don't all you know it's gonna be it's gonna be very fun but the there's always going to be some cunt that's controlling the entire system. 1.00

03:00:42.000 And this is why you have to have everything that it's it's got to be decentralized.

03:00:46.000 Everything's gotta be like a blockchain.

03:00:49.000 It's gotta be like Bitcoin.

03:00:50.000 It has to be like that.

03:00:52.000 It can't be.

03:00:53.000 Once it gets to this insanely potent computing power where it's a life form, you can't have anybody in control of it.

03:01:04.000 Think of the addiction and the dopamine response to social media.

03:01:08.000 Yeah.

03:01:09.000 And multiply that times infinity.

03:01:11.000 Yeah, times billions. 1.00

03:01:12.000 I mean, we're fucked. 1.00

03:01:13.000 You're fucked. 1.00

03:01:13.000 Because regular life, if you're working at a deli, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and... 1.00

03:01:22.000 you know hanging with the boys and you get out of there and you're a knight you're a knight and you're you're you're battling with demons and you're you're fucking riding a horse in game of thrones like really like that's totally possible.

03:01:39.000 Yeah, it's not even that far away because what you can see Visually right now when they do these these video games that are available today The unreal engine is so good dude It's so good that all would have to do is be virtual and then figure out how to emulate movement And how to get you to feel like you're moving and that's probably just manipulating some part of your brain that it scans out It probably figures out What you

03:02:08.000 know, maybe you have to shave all this stuff because even Elon on here He was talking about how we can help you see in infrared Yeah This technology we can create the impulse signals or whatever in the brain that allow you to see an infrared Did you see those night vision contact lenses they've created?

03:02:25.000 No, bro They've created night vision contact lenses.

03:02:30.000 Yeah, see if you find that Fuck in bananas No, that's crazy Contacts put them in and now you're a wolf But then the same thing we're talking about talking about with CRISPR and gene editing right it's gonna be the same thing when everyone has an implant and I can download jujitsu in my brain you're at a disadvantage if you don't have the implant. 0.99

03:02:50.000 Well not only how can you compete you can't you're gonna have to join these contact lenses give people infrared vision even with their eyes shut with their fucking eyes shut that's nuts. 1.00

03:03:03.000 New way of seeing infrared light without the need for chunky night vision goggles researchers have made the first contact lenses to convey infrared vision and the devices work even when people have their eyes closed holy fuck dude. 0.98

03:03:17.000 Now imagine when that's if you're blind and they say Brigham um we can actually give you eyesight but you're gonna have like super eyesight. 0.94

03:03:25.000 Yeah like your eyesight will be way better so people are eventually going to get their eyeballs plucked out and like I'm I'm tired of wearing readers.

03:03:32.000 Yeah I'm gonna go in and get the new eyeballs and you're gonna put on these Monsanto devived eyeballs they're gonna be I mean they even said you would be able to have eagle eye mode and he was breaking all that down where you could see at a high resolution at a distance geothermal like you I don't think you could stop it.

03:03:54.000 And this is the thing where people oh God you're so cynical I'm not I'm not I love people.

03:04:00.000 I love people and I love life.

03:04:02.000 I think this is happening whether we like it or not and I don't necessarily know that it's a bad thing.

03:04:07.000 I think I don't know if that's true but James Cameron is that a fake tweet I reposted it because I'm a but it was James Cameron said I warned you guys 30 years ago and I reposted that it it was all over media so I'm I don't know if it's real or not but it's probably he's a clever guy.

03:04:24.000 You probably did post that he's right.

03:04:26.000 So was the you know the really fucking scary thing you know who's right the fucking unibomber was right that was the unibomber's whole manifesto was the technology is going to kill the human race. 0.97

03:04:36.000 He said it, but just not in a tweet. 0.97

03:04:38.000 Uh I warned you guys in 1984.

03:04:40.000 You didn't listen.

03:04:42.000 Look, I mean you've got Yeah.

03:04:42.000 Uh sure.

03:04:44.000 That's nuts.

03:04:45.000 That's even better.

03:04:46.000 Have you seen the new alien on Hulu?

03:04:48.000 I haven't watched it.

03:04:49.000 I'm on episode two.

03:04:49.000 I like it.

03:04:50.000 But think about that.

03:04:52.000 You're a physical avatar, right?

03:04:53.000 You're terminally ill.

03:04:54.000 What if we can take your consciousness and put it into a body, or there's not even a f there's like a I don't know, a humanoid biologic thing.

03:05:02.000 Which is what you grow it even though you're a child.

03:05:02.000 Yeah.

03:05:05.000 Yes because it doesn't grow.

03:05:07.000 It's weird.

03:05:07.000 I like the angle they took.

03:05:09.000 I thought it was really good. 0.99

03:05:10.000 And it brings the aliens back to my favorite kind of aliens, which you don't see a lot of them, but they're scary as fuck and they're really clever. 0.97

03:05:17.000 The problem with James Cameron's version of aliens is now all of a sudden they're easy to shoot and everyone's just gunning them down. 0.99

03:05:22.000 You're killing tons of them.

03:05:24.000 The first alien was hiding all the time. 0.99

03:05:26.000 Like you didn't see until it wanted to be seen.

03:05:28.000 Then you go into the den and she's literally just planting eggs and everyone.

03:05:28.000 Yeah.

03:05:32.000 She's a dumbass. 1.00

03:05:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:05:34.000 The the f the first one was like creepier.

03:05:34.000 Yeah.

03:05:37.000 Yeah.

03:05:38.000 It was it was uh it was a a hunting alien.

03:05:41.000 It was like going after people and hunting them.

03:05:44.000 And the other one's Prometheus, that plays into everything we're talking about.

03:05:48.000 People hated Promethea, a lot of people, but I liked it.

03:05:51.000 I liked it.

03:05:51.000 When he literally asked his creator, the guy who invented the humanoid robot, and he asked him, what makes you more important than me?

03:06:00.000 And he said, Because you will die, you will wither away, you will do all these things, but I will be here and I won't lose my consciousness.

03:06:08.000 I won't lose my all this stuff. 0.98

03:06:09.000 He's like he's gaining uh like consciousness in the moment, and he's asking, and that's the shit where it's like we keep making things smarter and smarter and smarter. 0.90

03:06:20.000 What is consciousness? 0.93

03:06:21.000 We don't even know what it is.

03:06:22.000 Yeah.

03:06:23.000 Well, that's the interesting about thing about these movies, like the alien movies in particular, especially the television show.

03:06:29.000 Because the television show different than the movies, uh adopted a 1970s framework for technology in 2120.

03:06:38.000 Yeah.

03:06:38.000 You know what I mean?

03:06:39.000 Yeah, it's like the shitty little green screens. 0.96

03:06:41.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

03:06:43.000 Everything's shitty. 0.96

03:06:43.000 The screens are shitty, the the like the the televisions, they're like regular old school TVs that you have to slap to get to work. 0.96

03:06:50.000 It's weird. 0.87

03:06:51.000 So they have like this weird and then the there's the robot thing.

03:06:55.000 You know, the the robot guy who's in every one of them, like the synth like in synthetic robot.

03:07:00.000 Why why not just send all synthetic robots?

03:07:00.000 Yeah.

03:07:02.000 Why do you have any people on this fucking thing? 1.00

03:07:04.000 You've got synthetic robots that don't die, and you have aliens out there. 0.99

03:07:07.000 Well then you go back to like what a lot of the UAP whistleblowers are saying that because I've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too, and they start saying that grays are synthetic biologics that are almost like hive mind avatars.

03:07:22.000 And again, I'm not saying I believe it.

03:07:23.000 I'm not I'm just saying it's interesting, and like a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework sense for why and how you would navigate some new environment. 0.99

03:07:38.000 Especially and why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit. 0.93

03:07:41.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:07:43.000 If there's any truth to any of it.

03:07:45.000 If there's any but that's the problem we're both saying if neither one of us have seen an alien.

03:07:50.000 No.

03:07:51.000 Unfortunately.

03:07:52.000 You know?

03:07:52.000 But I've talked to enough really smart people that you start going, man.

03:07:56.000 And I know I tried to get Jamie to chime in and he's always Jamie goes back and forth with it just like I do.

03:08:02.000 We have conversations about it all the time.

03:08:04.000 Don't you go about where are you at right now?

03:08:06.000 Oh I don't know. 0.96

03:08:10.000 This week it's probably mostly bullshit, but I I'm trying to I I'm not tracking it this week, really, to be honest with you. 0.93

03:08:17.000 But we we both go back. 0.96

03:08:18.000 You would agree with that.

03:08:19.000 We both go back.

03:08:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:08:21.000 I go back and forth.

03:08:22.000 But it's mainly if I really self diagnose it's ego. 1.00

03:08:27.000 I get frustrated and I go, it's all bullshit. 0.99

03:08:29.000 If it was real. 0.99

03:08:30.000 But there is a lot of kinks in the armor. 1.00

03:08:33.000 And if just statistically, I'm not saying that little green men are visiting, but there's statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there. 0.89

03:08:43.000 And then statistically, did that life have a head start and did it reach intelligent life?

03:08:46.000 Aaron Ross Powell Right.

03:08:47.000 And did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience?

03:08:52.000 Because one of the things if there is a reset in our society, it's usually because of an asteroid impact or a super volcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out a city.

03:09:02.000 The society has to have developed take technological capabilities that help negate all those things.

03:09:10.000 And so wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean? 0.70

03:09:14.000 And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on.

03:09:17.000 Because it seems like a there's a lot of activity that that takes place in a place where we've only explored five percent.

03:09:24.000 Yeah.

03:09:25.000 That's the oceans.

03:09:26.000 And there's so many sightings of these transmedium crafts, including video of things going into the water with no splash.

03:09:35.000 And especially go videos that were generated at a time where they didn't have the sophisticated CGI that they have today. 0.65

03:09:41.000 So you know if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who fucking knows who made that?

03:09:46.000 That you could have made that on Chat GPT.

03:09:48.000 And that's where I'm going.

03:09:50.000 You talk to I know you've interviewed Commander Fraver. 1.00

03:09:52.000 I had the opportunity to meet and talk to him like in private in a group of people, and his I mean, the guy knows his shit. 0.99

03:09:59.000 He knows the black ops. 0.98

03:10:01.000 He knows everything, and this is twenty something years ago.

03:10:04.000 2004.

03:10:05.000 And his thing is there is no way in hell.

03:10:08.000 I mean, it would have been moving at 35,000 miles per hour and been transmedium. 1.00

03:10:14.000 Right.

03:10:14.000 Literally 20 years ago.

03:10:16.000 And the idea that someone is inside of that is ridiculous. 0.98

03:10:19.000 Like you would be jello. 0.98

03:10:20.000 Yeah.

03:10:20.000 If it's a traditional propulsion system, which by the way, it didn't dis it didn't have any signatures of a traditional propulsion system.

03:10:28.000 There's no like heat blasting.

03:10:30.000 The craziest thing he said though, which I don't I didn't fully understand on the podcast, is when he kept saying it knew our set point and knew our set point or whatever, that's not programmed in anywhere.

03:10:41.000 No.

03:10:42.000 That's just in the pilot's head.

03:10:44.000 Yeah.

03:10:45.000 So how did it know the set point?

03:10:47.000 Did you hear what Gary Nolan said about it?

03:10:48.000 No, I haven't listened to that one.

03:10:49.000 I'm gonna listen to it though.

03:10:50.000 He said that the amount of force that it would take.

03:10:54.000 So this thing is let's just say this thing weighs uh two tons, which is like a car.

03:10:59.000 You know, like a lot of cars are like four thousand pounds.

03:11:02.000 So this thing weighs two tons and it went from, you know, sea level to fifty thousand feet above sea level in less than a second.

03:11:11.000 So whether or not it that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move four thousand pounds that quickly would be the more than the total energy generated by the United States in a yeah.

03:11:28.000 It's nuts.

03:11:29.000 And it has to do it instantaneously. 0.97

03:11:31.000 That's when you start seeing all these things and then you layer in the Jesse stuff and all the shit, yeah, all the work Jesse's done and his deep dives into history and FOIA documents and disclosures and you just start going Yeah what the hell. 0.98

03:11:43.000 Yeah, you go, what the hell? 0.94

03:11:44.000 But I I it's fun. 0.66

03:11:46.000 And that's how I treat it.

03:11:47.000 I treat it like it's fun because I really don't know.

03:11:49.000 I love the tridactyl mummies. 0.99

03:11:51.000 I'm fascinated by it, and I think Jesse's I I think he deserves you know, if they were st if journalism was really what it could have been today if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored mainstream gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true.

03:12:13.000 Jesse would get an award.

03:12:15.000 If if if if the the world was just, he would get in a reward.

03:12:18.000 He would get an award for that particular show that he did on those tridactyl mummies, because that is crazy.

03:12:25.000 When he did when they did those scans and you see the ligament and you and guys like Gary, who is a legitimate scientist, like published at Stanford who who's looking at that thing and saying, This doesn't make any sense.

03:12:39.000 Like this is looks like a real creature.

03:12:42.000 Everything is in place.

03:12:43.000 We don't know what it is.

03:12:44.000 We don't is that a genetic anomaly?

03:12:45.000 Like we have to study that.

03:12:47.000 This is a crazy opportunity to study.

03:12:49.000 And these just folks just have it in Peru. 1.00

03:12:52.000 Just have a few of them laying around in the fetal position, these fucking aliens with three toes and three fingers. 0.99

03:12:57.000 And it's it seems to be a real body. 0.99

03:13:00.000 And Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things and they did these medical scans on them.

03:13:06.000 So you could see what the actual what's underneath all that, you know, white tissue looking stuff.

03:13:12.000 Is this just sticks and yeah, you walk you look at it and it seems too convenient and too crazy, but then when you watch him systematically break down and all these thought leaders and all these experts and all these different people giving their lens, and then you see these MRIs and you're like, you didn't make those hands.

03:13:29.000 No.

03:13:30.000 Like these would have been that, seventeen hundred years ago you didn't make it.

03:13:34.000 That's the weird thing.

03:13:36.000 And how about the one of them that has a fetus inside of it?

03:13:40.000 Yeah.

03:13:41.000 What did he say the name of that?

03:13:42.000 He says it in the documentary, but the name of the region is like I don't even know.

03:13:47.000 Insemination in something something, or I'm like, what?

03:13:51.000 Dude, those are probably aliens.

03:13:53.000 And that's probably a form of human.

03:13:55.000 That's probably what we're going to find out.

03:13:56.000 If they do a DNA, if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things, and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it, I bet we find out that we are like them.

03:14:06.000 Yeah.

03:14:07.000 I bet they're the overlords.

03:14:11.000 The weird thing about the Peru stuff is not just the mummies.

03:14:16.000 It's the ancient architecture.

03:14:17.000 It's uh Machu Picchu.

03:14:20.000 You know, it's all these like really unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove, like where it would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones.

03:14:38.000 When you're looking at them, you're like, how did you move this?

03:14:41.000 Like who did this?

03:14:43.000 Why did you have all these uh art projects where you could only see them from the sky?

03:14:48.000 Yeah, what is the nostalgia?

03:14:51.000 What is that?

03:14:52.000 And why do you have ancient artwork of these three-fingered, three-toed creatures?

03:14:52.000 Yeah.

03:14:58.000 Well, you you have artwork from a thousand years ago of these things.

03:15:02.000 Like with they seems like they were a real thing living in that area.

03:15:06.000 And they were probably flying around.

03:15:08.000 And they were probably building Puma Punku and Machu Picchu.

03:15:12.000 They probably were us.

03:15:14.000 It's probably a version of us.

03:15:16.000 Like if Neanderthal was alive and then it wasn't, and then we're like, well, we didn't even know that Neanderthal was a thing until we discovered, oh, see, it looks like it had interbred with us.

03:15:28.000 Oh, it was a part of us.

03:15:29.000 So now we know that there's a Neanderthal, but 500 years ago, no one had any idea.

03:15:34.000 No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was bigger than us, stronger than that.

03:15:40.000 Isn't it like seventy percent of the bipedal species that we've uncovered uh like that are our relatives have all been discovered in the last like sixty years?

03:15:52.000 Yeah, and a bunch of them have discovered in the last decade.

03:15:54.000 Yeah, you know, just like crazy.

03:15:56.000 The last few years. 0.89

03:15:58.000 Just recently we were talking about that homo the Julien's this enormous man that they found with a huge head. 1.00

03:16:05.000 They don't know how big these fucking things were. 0.99

03:16:07.000 They might have been seven foot tall supermen. 0.99

03:16:09.000 Like and then there's depictions of them like covered in hair looking fucking jacked, or they're trying to like figure out what these things actually look like. 0.55

03:16:16.000 Why is it so crazy to think there might have been a version of us that looked like that? 0.96

03:16:20.000 Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft and so doughy in comparison to gorillas?

03:16:20.000 Yeah.

03:16:26.000 Because we're so intelligent.

03:16:30.000 We're so intelligent and we're so advanced in comparison to them.

03:16:34.000 Well, if that thing is more advanced and more intelligent than us, it's going to be just like what you compare us to gorillas, it's gonna be like that to us.

03:16:44.000 It's gonna be comparable.

03:16:45.000 It's gonna be frail.

03:16:46.000 And that's what they look like. 1.00

03:16:47.000 Just frail super nerds with giant heads and fucking medical implants. 1.00

03:16:53.000 What's that thing in that thing's neck? 1.00

03:16:55.000 Like what is that?

03:16:56.000 It's gonna get interesting too.

03:16:57.000 I know that Corbell and Knapp are uh they say they've got I think six witnesses, including I thought first hand witnesses that are gonna testify this time.

03:17:07.000 Whoa.

03:17:08.000 If if if it if it all happens, the weird thing is the Varginia um descriptions look exactly like those things.

03:17:15.000 Yeah.

03:17:16.000 Three toes, three fingers.

03:17:18.000 And everyone's like, that's nonsense. 0.93

03:17:19.000 The black one it was at the black.

03:17:20.000 Well, it's like a purple.

03:17:21.000 Yeah, it's like a purple one that smelt, and then the guy died who touched it, and there's all this like documented stuff that occurred.

03:17:28.000 And they smell like sulfur.

03:17:29.000 Yeah.

03:17:30.000 Just like demons.

03:17:32.000 Yeah.

03:17:32.000 It's probably what they were trying to describe.

03:17:34.000 I mean, if you had some guy.

03:17:40.000 Yeah, but she didn't have an explanation.

03:17:41.000 Like, what do you mean?

03:17:42.000 How do you know that?

03:17:42.000 Why are you saying that so confidently?

03:17:44.000 Like you'd have to tell me like how how does something traverse a dimension?

03:17:48.000 What's the theory?

03:17:49.000 Yeah.

03:17:50.000 Like, where is it?

03:17:50.000 And what does that mean?

03:17:51.000 Is it in a physical form somewhere else?

03:17:53.000 Like another place and it comes here?

03:17:55.000 Like, what do you mean?

03:17:56.000 You know, because there's a dimension of sound, there's a dimension of like three dimensions, or it's like, you know, space and time and all that.

03:18:03.000 We all we kind of have an understanding or grasp of it.

03:18:06.000 So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a bus and get here?

03:18:10.000 Like what are you talking about?

03:18:11.000 Is it here and now it exists in this dimension and that dimension simultaneously?

03:18:16.000 Like what is it?

03:18:17.000 What happens to its form over there when it crosses?

03:18:21.000 I'm not smart enough.

03:18:22.000 I'm not even nearly sure.

03:18:24.000 You're a three-dimensional being in a three-dimensional world, and your shadow on the ground is a two-dimensional shadow of a three-dimensional being in the Donosong.

03:18:33.000 I'm like, what?

03:18:35.000 I'm a material girl.

03:18:36.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

03:18:40.000 Yeah, I don't know, man, but it's fun.

03:18:42.000 It is fun.

03:18:42.000 It's fun to it's fun to talk about, and I'm glad there's guys like Jesse out there making awesome videos.

03:18:47.000 And I about this one, I think it's one of the most important because it's it throws a giant monkey wrench into the it's all nonsense.

03:18:53.000 Because as soon as you see the scans of that thing's body, everyone should it should pause. 0.96

03:18:58.000 Everyone should put their newspaper down and go, what the fuck are we doing about this? 0.98

03:19:02.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:19:02.000 Like what are we doing about this? 0.98

03:19:03.000 That might be what everyone's been talking about.

03:19:06.000 That might be the thing that genetically engineered us. 0.63

03:19:09.000 That might be it.

03:19:12.000 So crazy.

03:19:13.000 So crazy. 0.72

03:19:14.000 If we're bringing back direwolves, then bring back an alien.

03:19:17.000 Yeah.

03:19:18.000 They're probably already here.

03:19:19.000 That's probably just one that we found. 0.99

03:19:21.000 You know, they're probably here and they don't want to be seen anymore because we're assholes. 0.99

03:19:25.000 And then one day we won't be assholes. 0.99

03:19:27.000 All right, brother. 0.99

03:19:27.000 Dude, let's wrap us up. 0.99

03:19:28.000 Thank you for having me on.

03:19:31.000 That was this is the longest one we've done.

03:19:33.000 Yeah, but it's awesome.

03:19:34.000 I love you.

03:19:34.000 Appreciate you very much.

03:19:35.000 Appreciate what you're doing.

03:19:36.000 It's an awesome company.

03:19:37.000 Ways2well.com. 0.82

03:19:39.000 Uh check it out and thank you for all you're doing to try to give people a better understanding about how fucking incredibly corrupt this whole system really is. 0.53

03:19:49.000 Thank you for having me on and giving us a voice.

03:19:51.000 My pleasure.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 09, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2376 - Brigham Buhler

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