Comedian and actor Joe Logan joins Jemele to talk about his life in New York City, how he got his start in comedy, and why he doesn t like going on the red carpet. They also talk about what it's like working in the entertainment industry.
00:00:41.000I avoided uh premieres, any anything where there's a red carpet, uh like even if I was in a movie, I wouldn't go on the red carpet, I'd go in through the back door.
00:03:39.000No, for the first time in like in like maybe over a decade uh at the Netflix premiere for the it was kind of cool, like the first, you know, 34 seconds.
00:07:38.000You know, and then somebody asked me about it, and and and I, you know, I don't know if I was the conductor or if I was riding a caboose or both simultaneously.
00:07:48.000Um it was a trip because thinking back on it, it's you know, some of it just kind of exists in in just Polaroid snapshots that kind of drift past through the mist, you know.
00:07:59.000Other other moments are in high deaf, but kind of seen through a tunnel vision.
00:08:05.000Like in it and and it's it was I there was an energy or it was there was an energy I tapped into that felt like I was playing a role, but I couldn't figure out if it what you know what the move what the plot was who my co-stars were.
00:08:22.000Where somebody, you know, somebody show up with like a jig page one rewrite.
00:08:44.000And there was something that and just recently, something I stumbled on to, um, it's um I was I was in in some way, um I was being a bully.
00:08:56.000It had a bullying kind of energy about it, you know, and I've never been that guy.
00:09:03.000The way I was attacking people and I was challenging people.
00:09:05.000I was like the tough guy on the block and had all these soldiers, had this called cadre behind me and it was like, you know, inviting people into the ring.
00:09:22.000Um yeah and and I think um there was a whole testosterone component as well that was um out of hand just out of control because there's you know what do they recommend?
00:09:33.000Like a quarter size dollop and like every other day and no I I there's a line in the book where I say I was I was slathering that that shit on like a fucking Pons commercial.
00:10:15.000Like in the sound I don't think they released that but they they said that it probably permanently affected the kid's development.
00:10:21.000Oh wow yeah because this kid is like experiencing puberty at three you know you're getting bombarded with testosterone while your dad is holding it.
00:10:32.000Insane insane is that part of the reason they recommend like an inner thigh application.
00:10:38.000I guess then the only person would get it is the person you're having sex with exactly for her or your horse.
00:10:47.000Right so there was testosterone and cocaine together at the same time that's that sounds like a combination of hubris.
00:10:55.000And a lot of rage and a lot of rage a lot of rage but the rage I think um it's it's interesting because when you finally get some distance from something you start to realize that that it wasn't really so much about what you said it was about in the moment and I and I'm you know really realizing it wasn't about the job wasn't about chuck it was it was about all the stuff in my personal life you know it was about trying to just be be a certain guy at work be a certain guy at home and then just never having the time to be a certain guy with me.
00:11:24.000And I just I just couldn't I couldn't find any place to to find any refuge or solace or any type of just a moment to breathe to just to decompress you know that's all important.
00:11:37.000Yeah and I there was a it's not in the book because I can't really I don't remember it well enough to put it in the book and that was kind of how I decided what's in there and what's not right um or if something just isn't true it's not in the book.
00:11:51.000And so um but it it um you know I was I was I was trying to just kind of you know like you know I I I went through two divorces and and had four children during during that run of eight years, you know.
00:12:13.000It's insane yeah and and they both you know they they fell apart for for for married reasons and whatever and and but did there there wasn't time to heal the last one before the next one kicked off and but that's all on me.
00:12:30.000That's all on me making those decisions.
00:12:32.000That's one of the through lines in the book is that it like really comes down to really being all about choices.
00:12:40.000But then um yeah and and and but it it's just for for it to be just talking about the bullying stuff you know for it to be so directed at a guy who let's like if you really break it down what did he really do to me?
00:13:00.000He created this environment with the dream character in in an in a in an amazing show so people tell me right um that that that was the you know the toast of the town right and and all he asked for me was to just like you know just show up be responsible know your lines hit your marks do your fucking job you know that though the the those were the only demands.
00:13:26.000Essentially the stuff I told him before I took the Job that I was going to do.
00:14:14.000So I came in and did I played myself, did a few scenes, did a cameo, you know, did some fun stuff, and just back on a set with Chuck, and and it was like it was it just felt like it like it like it like it did in the in the early parts of the city.
00:14:26.000Oh, that's well, good on him for not holding a grudge too.
00:15:04.000Everybody, I mean I know people that have regained equilibrium and got their footing back and now they're on the right track, and but no one gets through without a hiccup.
00:15:14.000It's everyone kind of goes crazy because you're living in this completely alien world that no one can help you navigate.
00:15:21.000Even if you've watched the the people closest to you go through it your most of your life and like just like right over there.
00:18:12.000Yeah, and there's also the the real possibility that you have false memories and people do that all the time.
00:18:19.000And they they've even shown that they can introduce memories into people's minds and and then with enough sort of uh encouragement or revisiting it, that person will accept it as a a pure memory and it actually happened to them.
00:18:32.000Yeah, and they'll they'll talk about it like outside of that, and they'll have no knowledge that it was a false memory.
00:19:45.000Yeah, there was a thing that yeah, there was a thing where her memory was corrupted by a different description from somebody else.
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00:20:54.000Well, there's also the factor that the unibomber was such a traumatic event that this person was probably super freaked out, which is when your memory's the worst.
00:21:19.000Like the like the determining from the person, that guy, that it's like sometimes it's as high as like sixty percent that they're just wrong.
00:21:31.000Yeah, and then they'll convince themselves that they're right because they've already said it, so then the ego gets involved.
00:21:36.000And then, you know, it's just traumatic events leave you you're in a high state of anxiety and you're not thinking clearly.
00:21:45.000And you don't like when when they have events like like say like 911, um, if you were anywhere near that and you saw like people jump off the buildings and and fall to their deaths, or like your memories of that are probably really clear because it was fucking crazy.
00:22:05.000But your memories of people that you might have saw that were running away, or maybe you saw a guy in a van and you looked fishy, or maybe this or maybe that.
00:22:14.000It's like and then a few days go by and you're you probably haven't slept well, you're all freaked out.
00:22:21.000It's probably filled with the news now, and then there's other people's eyewitness accounts, and and you know, you don't know what the fuck happened.
00:22:28.000You you you know, you obviously you see someone die, see someone jump off a building, you're gonna remember that.
00:22:33.000But there's some stuff that it's just our my you know, this is one of the scariest things about transhumanism is that it's really appealing in the idea that if they give you a little hard drive in your brain, and now from now on, every time you want a memory, you can go just like you know, you look on your phone, like your iPhone on this day in 2017, you're like, Oh, look at us.
00:25:11.000And you couldn't and nobody knew nobody knew what the behind the scenes of your movie looked like until you know, years later on the DVD feature or or the VHS feature.
00:25:21.000Right that they finally saw some of that stuff.
00:25:42.000They're just locked into this weird new world that we're living in.
00:25:46.000But is it I mean, is it because there's genuinely people that are tuning in with enthusiasm that are looking forward to that live stream in the car ride home, or because the person or is it a combination?
00:26:00.000I think it's those things, and it's also that thing that you said that you didn't ever get, they're scared of.
00:28:54.000Um so but I I I I didn't realize sort of um what we were doing until we were actually doing it.
00:29:05.000Usually I can read a scene and get a sense of you know what my responsibilities are gonna be or how we're gonna break it down, or at least you know, how how I'm gonna see it on the screen.
00:29:15.000And I couldn't I couldn't do that with Platoon because all the terrain, all the scenes, everything kind of felt very similar, you know.
00:29:25.000Really yeah, and the original title was The Platoon.
00:29:30.000You think it's a as big a hit if he keeps the the Yeah, I don't think it matters.
00:30:19.000Now I'm not saying that I I would know how that felt in the real thing, but we bonded really, you know, pretty pretty yeah, we were bonded in a way that um because we we were the only people that we had in the middle of that country in the middle of that jungle in the middle of that movie.
00:30:36.000Um so you really missed somebody when they were suddenly gone.
00:30:40.000I mean, I've had Oliver on a couple of times, but I would love to ask him what it's like to make a movie about a war that he was starring in and like what kind of uh b bizarre mental conflicts Yeah, did he didn't get into any of that stuff when you really talked a little bit about his experience in Vietnam, but I don't think we really talked about Did we ever we talk about m the making of Platoon?
00:31:03.000We got so heavy into the JFK assassination uh we hardly covered anything else.
00:32:14.000There's a lot of nonsense with the autopsies.
00:32:17.000There's a lot of nonsense with the single bullet going through both him and Connolly and leaving more bullet fragments in Connolly's wrist than that magic bullet was missing, the one they found.
00:32:31.000And no one really knew how much bullshit it was until um they had that video that they played of the Zapruder film on the Geraldo Rivera show.
00:33:40.000There's a great book called Best Evidence by David Lifton, and he was an accountant.
00:33:45.000And they he had some sort of assignment involving the Warren Commission report.
00:33:49.000And so he decided to do is read the entire thing.
00:33:52.000And so in the reading of the entire thing, he finds so many contradictions, so many things that don't make any sense that he starts becoming obsessed.
00:34:00.000And then he finds out how many people who are witnesses to the assassination wind up dying mysteriously.
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00:38:23.000So they're saying he was the body they used for the transfer when they flew with the empty coffin, you know, all that stuff about uh yeah, it's I mean it is so there's so many just r you know warrants to travel down and there's so many angles to explore.
00:39:01.000And so um was just nuts that no one was brought to justice, and we know for sure more people were involved than Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:39:33.000And then the Jack Ruby thing, where Jack Ruby goes completely insane in jail after he's visited by Jolly West, who is the head of MK Ultra.
00:40:28.000Oh, you're going to be able to do that.
00:40:28.000So I watched it sort of Like a data gathering thing that you usually do with the first episode and kind of just seeing where the what the director's doing and what kind of stuff they're laying out early.
00:41:05.000Just the provable actual facts are so nuts.
00:41:08.000Yeah that very likely Charles Manson was a CIA asset.
00:41:11.000Very likely they had groomed him when he was in prison and taught him mind control techniques when people were high on acid, taught him how to be sober but pretend he's on acid and how to interact with these people that are on acid and shape their mind and even get them to commit murder.
00:41:30.000Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's it's I would say it's insane, but so much of it is I don't want to say provable, but but but has enough supporting evidence to make a compelling case.
00:41:44.000And I love that the guy starts out just like uh yeah, yeah, you know, just a kind of a normal celebrity assignment for Premier Magazine, right?
00:42:40.000And then you realize that it was all uh uh uh a psyop to try to demonize the peace, love and stop war movement, and that what they really wanted to do was stop the anti-war movement and do something to curb the cultural change that was happening.
00:42:59.000And so their strategy was to turn hippies into murderers.
00:43:30.000The music is crazy, the culture's crazy, the movies are nuts.
00:43:34.000Everything is wild, it's very psychedelic.
00:43:37.000And then Nixon comes along in 1970, passes this sweeping Schedule One Act, makes all mushrooms and LSD, makes everything illegal, all to stop the civil war the civil civil rights movement and the anti-war movement at the same time when they're doing this Manson stuff.
00:43:54.000So it was a concerted effort across the board to stop the anti-war movement and to stop the civil rights movement.
00:44:01.000They were like, We're losing control and power.
00:44:04.000And so I mean, it was an evil thing to do, but you kind of gotta give them credit because it's pretty brilliant.
00:44:11.000Like they they actually pulled it off.
00:44:13.000You think of serial killer, you think of Manson.
00:44:27.000Yeah, and they and they brought the Beatles into it.
00:44:29.000And our own goddamn government engineered it.
00:44:33.000They engineered, they stopped what was probably one of the most beautiful cultural shifts in this country's history.
00:44:42.000That would have organically still kept evolving into other things that would have would have blossomed out of it and yeah, we probably would have rethought government.
00:44:51.000We probably would have like rethought the type of people that we want as leaders.
00:44:55.000We'd have rethought our involvement in foreign wars.
00:44:59.000There would have been no Support for it.
00:45:00.000We would have rethought what psychedelic drugs can do for you versus uh the bad aspects of them.
00:45:28.000I mean, that that completely demonized any peace love and you know, any of that kind of movement, though those people became a real problem now because you're now connected to Manson.
00:47:15.000These motherfuckers are creating Manson and a completely shifting society and turning people into whatever the fuck we became in the 70s and the 80s.
00:48:38.000So it's they really did engineer a a murderous cult of of hippies.
00:48:46.000And and almost used um the clinic um as a as a casting couch as as an audition process for which girls they thought would be the most uh vulnerable, yeah.
00:49:04.000It's just I thought they were supposed to just operate on foreign soil.
00:49:08.000I know they were, but you know, sometimes things get messy.
00:49:11.000But it's like they you you talk to like your average boomer who just watches uh cable news and reads the newspaper, they're they never believe this in a million years.
00:49:20.000And they'll hear us talking about it thinking, come on, guys.
00:49:41.000This this conspiracy theory pejorative that they really started foisting on the American public during the Kennedy assassination was for that very reason.
00:49:49.000They wanted to make it ridiculous for you to be in.
00:51:37.000But um there's something in one of his books um, and I've never been able to find it anywhere else.
00:51:44.000It's almost like this little detail was scrubbed from the internet that the the Morse code signal for victory um right after the fatal headshot went out over every Dallas police radio.
00:53:10.000Um, but he said, like those guys, those are hard-nosed killers.
00:53:16.000And if they think that they lost their brothers because this fucking piece of shit didn't give them the air support that they deserved, it was Kennedy's idea.
00:53:24.000And you tell them that you want to get that guy killed, like, oh, fucking sign me up.
00:53:30.000He's like, those would be the type of guys he would have do something like that, and they would probably tell you this would be a perfect place to do it.
00:53:56.000But the possibility of him having that rifle ready, he's got a scope, he's got arrest.
00:54:03.000The the The car comes into view, you roll the sight onto his back, you squeeze off around squeeze off around, whack, and you get a headshot in there.
00:57:11.000And there's the fragments, there's missing fragments from the bullet that are in Connolly's wrist that are more fragments that are missing from the actual bullet they're attributing to the wound.
00:59:19.000You you you you could put pressure on people.
00:59:21.000And you um you definitely can hurt their chances of getting re-elected if people find out that they're very disappointed in you for sure not supporting this or not telling us about that or lying about this, or you were involved in that.
00:59:34.000Yeah, but other than that, like there's not much.
01:01:26.000But no, we were um I was so hoping for the day off to be back at the hotel because everybody knew the night before that the that the verdict was coming, right?
01:01:36.000So we had to shoot this scene, and and there was a there was a prop man, and he had the only this is ninety-five, right?
01:01:44.000He had the only uh cell phone, and it had like half a bar, and it's in and it's starting to rain, and he's got his ear and his his buddy's got his phone in LA up to the TV when they're about to read the verdict.
01:01:57.000So we all gather around the prop man and we're watching him, and he's kind of leaning to keep the signal to keep it to kind of keep you know connected, and then we can see when he hears it.
01:05:01.000I think I think I just I willed that one out of my head like a like a like a king's robon and like it was a bunch of hot ladies around him.
01:08:07.000But why would they like what does that serve?
01:08:10.000Like what does that maybe they were already going to shoot him and he shot himself and they didn't think he was going to shoot himself and they pulled the trigger right when he did.
01:08:31.000You know, I think I think that was the case.
01:08:34.000I think he got shot in his femoral artery.
01:08:36.000Yeah, the first the first guy that says he died by this is from Wikipedia.
01:08:40.000He died by suicide via gunshot to the head from his handgun simultaneously being hit by rifle fire from LAPD officers with one round striking and severing his spine.
01:10:06.000Yeah, that was a that was kind of a that was a turning point moment.
01:10:08.000Now if you're a real conspiracy theorist, then you say, oh, MK Ultra tricked those guys into doing that so that the cops can get better to get militarized and yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:17.000Well, this is the problem with conspiracies.
01:10:19.000People who try uh you attribute them to everything.
01:10:26.000But then when they do that, they kind of um they they they they uh uh harm the credibility of the ones that that can really be you know considered for for you know for for the for how we know them to be.
01:10:43.000Yeah, and after all the extensive research, you know.
01:11:08.000And then it discredits the legitimate one.
01:11:10.000Yeah, it's almost like, you know, not to introduce this, but just from afar, it's almost like the uh a lot of the QAnon stuff kind of had that effect just you know.
01:11:22.000Um I didn't dig deep into that and don't, you know, and only know just the just the basic you know, talking points about it.
01:11:30.000But um, but one thing I did see that was felt like a uh a constant was that there was always uh the any time they'd mentioned something that was just completely screwy, it was followed up with the ones that that that we believe to be real.
01:12:36.000Like he's got some really good evidence that points in that direction, but it's it's just hard to know.
01:12:40.000And you know, everyone always thought that it was someone inside the White House, there was some like secret person inside the White House.
01:12:46.000It doesn't seem like this documentary believes that.
01:12:48.000The guy made this documentary, but he pins it on one guy in particular that's a a tech nerd that seems to have all of the attributes of someone who could pull off a QAnon type deal.
01:13:00.000Check out everybody super smart, you know, internet shit poster, you know, running 4chan, you know, and like that's the whole thing over there.
01:13:11.000It's like get people to do stuff that's stupid.
01:13:16.000They they start pushing this idea that you you know it's uh the patriarchy's making you wear a tampon and you should just your menstrual cycle should just flow in your pants and who cares.
01:13:26.000And this is like a s a sign of your strong femininity.
01:13:29.000It was just them being crazy, and then a bunch of women just adopted it.
01:14:07.000It's just nuts that that that's our government.
01:14:11.000That's our our daddies, our our government daddies, the people that we're supposed to be looking to to help us lead a prosperous life and secure our standing in the world and make sure we've grow financially, and these motherfuckers did all that.
01:15:07.000And then I would always think, okay, so why why how were they able to control it?
01:15:13.000Why didn't why didn't I see them enjoying it at this level?
01:15:18.000And it wasn't about I'm gonna show them the way they should have been doing it.
01:15:22.000It was just about, hey guys, okay, cool.
01:15:24.000No, it's it's it it it it finally made its way over here, and and it it it can go to eleven, you know, and and and not burn the whole house down, you know, when it was still fun, when it was still creative and and and productive on some level, you know.
01:15:42.000Um because it wasn't about uh it was still having to show up, and it was still you know, carving out enough time for the party, but also reserving enough uh you know energy for the job.
01:16:08.000And I I was able to maintain that for for a long time, you know, and even when it flamed out like those early rehabs, and and there was always like there was a job like the day I got out.
01:16:20.000Wow, you know, scripts showing up in rehab, and it's like they're just they're just they they want you to get they want you to get well, okay?
01:16:27.000They want you to get better, but you know, as soon as you're out of here, you know, we got we got some good stuff for you to look at.
01:16:33.000There's also unfortunately a romantic notion of a guy getting out of rehab.
01:17:24.000But the same thing was happening to Downey when when he when when he was in rehab, or maybe when he was even in the pen when they um what people were bringing him.
01:17:33.000I think he was I think they brought him Ally McBeal when he was still in jail.
01:17:38.000And I don't think I think he still got high after that.
01:17:42.000You know, and my dad would always be like yelling at the television.
01:17:45.000It's like, stop rewarding his this behavior.
01:18:12.000That's what was really interesting about this, you know, this this uh this decades, decade long time out that I got that I got put into, you know.
01:18:23.000Um which, you know, at some point that the punishment has to just sort of fit the crime, right?
01:18:28.000Um and uh yeah, it was it was it it felt like it had uh it was a little bit longer than it should be.
01:18:38.000Yeah, I don't remember any murder charges, you know.
01:18:41.000Um but at the same time um there's not a chance that I that I could have d done the the two projects that I've that wow the book came out yesterday and the doc comes out today, you know.
01:18:55.000Um I c I couldn't have done either un unless I had the kind of perspective and distance from all of that that I that I was able to to to get to find, you know.
01:19:19.000I mean, I was still doing things to uh you you know, just kind of stay in the mix a little bit and you you know, I do signings, I do speaking engagements, do stuff like that.
01:19:27.000But it was also like it's like as soon as I quit drinking, all my kids started showing up again.
01:19:34.000And you know, Sam and Lola were living there, and then they'd they'd they'd cycle back with Denise and then Bob and Max would show up and then they'd Brooke would come back and like, okay, so he he's gonna be here and then Lola would show back up.
01:19:46.000So my house was kind of like it's kinda like this, it was like a clubhouse, you know.
01:19:51.000Um I write in the book that my that that that my vacancy sign, uh you know, f for for those children um all always always hangs facing out, you know.
01:20:02.000So it was you know, being being called to a to to a much more responsible and complicated uh set of responsibilities and and and order, you know, and just having to do stuff that they they didn't care about, you know, uh uh writing of a show or response to a movie or any like popularity or or IMDB uh y you know, stuff.
01:20:25.000They they were just like, you know, with the basic needs and getting to school and help with this and so it was really cool to like suddenly just be that that's the only stuff that that that mattered to the people that matter the most.
01:20:40.000And so um and and yeah, it but you're right, that that none of that could happen if I was away on location or having to be at a studio every week or but um yeah, I think it's I but it was about the time that it that it created, you know, so um and and it it's interesting that that I'm not I'm not like I'm not looking at this as a as a comeback, you know.
01:21:09.000Um it's uh it's it's a I think it's a reset.
01:23:07.000But I but I I think that I that I do have the experience of all of that time in and around the rooms.
01:23:13.000You know, and and that's not to say that I don't still remember a couple of nuggets, a couple of things that still stuck with me that I still thought you still you still see as valuable.
01:23:25.000But um it's there's a there's a line in the book that it's it's it's it's hard to ask for help when when somebody else has raised your hand for you.
01:23:36.000You know, interventions, you called into a thing, you're told to do it, and you're just all you're doing is just counting the days.
01:23:42.000Yeah, that's the part of the documentary too when they the first intervention when you got brought into a room and everybody's sitting there waiting for you.
01:24:56.000But then like as is in the in the dock, I'm at I'm at you know, Cage's house, and I on on the anniversary on the one year, I find that beer in his fridge.
01:26:47.000Um but so um I I knew the way my body was starting to react and that the way I was starting to feel, and and and just it it just I I I couldn't feel it how I used to, even at like really like powerful doses, you know.
01:27:08.000I just could and that that that got depressing.
01:27:11.000That that wasn't like I'll just drink twice as much now.
01:27:26.000And so there was a day and it's it's it's in the book, and and I I you know, I was a morning drinker.
01:27:35.000I I loved uh you know, spiking my coffee.
01:27:39.000That's like for me, it was like the best time to drink.
01:27:42.000I mean you're not gonna get shit done the rest of the day, but that's when I felt it.
01:27:46.000When that's when I could still feel it was in the morning, you know.
01:27:49.000So I'm on like my third McAllen coffee or whatever, and my daughter Sam like calls from she she's at the house and calls and says, Hey, um, what time are we leaving?
01:28:29.000There was, you know, the occasional cab, but these days, these days to get busted for drinking and driving with the available transportation that is literally 15 choices in your hand.
01:28:44.000And so I call I called Tony, I said, Tony, well, you know, I can't drive, you gotta help me get Sam to this thing.
01:28:50.000And and so he was like, Oh uh, I'll I'll be right here in 20 minutes.
01:28:54.000We got her to the appointment, it went great, and there was there was a moment in the car driving back, and and um I I I describe it in the book, you know, and I I could see her in two mirrors, the visor and and the side view.
01:29:09.000And she was just kind of sitting back there and I I'm not saying that I know exactly what she was thinking, but I could feel what I what I'm pretty sure she was, and it was just this thing about um, you know, why it's yeah, it's cool that dad did this, but why why isn't dad driving again?
01:29:29.000You know, why why is there always disappointment?
01:29:31.000Yeah, and it's not nothing with Tony, yeah, you know, he's been around forever and you know, and and it was so we got we got back from that.
01:29:42.000Um and and I and it was j there was something that I couldn't shake.
01:29:45.000It was something that stayed with me, just the images of her.
01:29:48.000This little 13-year-old kid in the back seat.
01:29:50.000And her dad can't even take her to like a just a basic, just like up the highway to a hair appointment.
01:29:59.000Like that that got that was complicated.
01:30:19.000And um, you know, wasn't doing gonna do rehab, I wasn't gonna do a big dramatic uh yeah you know, you know, the life uh turnaround or I was just gonna just make a decision and stick to it.
01:30:54.000The story I had written that was gonna be a month was just like that that that that was fake.
01:30:59.000And it was and so and then it just coincidentally, um it happened to be my oldest daughter, uh Cassandra's birthday when I quit, December twelfth, you know.
01:31:11.000And it was just like, okay, that's all aligned.
01:31:14.000Um and then um then something else happened after that because everybody's gonna get a little squirrely.
01:31:22.000Like it can put sh the problem with guy like me is that and people like me is you're able to put things back together really quickly.
01:31:40.000And um and so then I got a call, um this is the post you know, already had HIV for for several years at this point.
01:31:50.000I get a call that there's a new medicine, right?
01:31:52.000This is about a month after the Sam thing, right?
01:31:56.000And they're like, look, we want you to try this thing, because it's it's it's a much smaller cocktail, it's much less toxicity and and uh no s very few side effects.
01:32:06.000We think you're gonna do great on it, right?
01:33:28.000Um I think f yeah, it it I I think it was more a void earlier, like it or earlier in life, like avoid the pressures of fame, avoid the the fears of of commitment or relationship or or being uh exposed as a fucking fraud at some point, you know.
01:33:49.000Um I think that was earlier um and I think enhance came later that that um trying to just make situations just feel more exciting or cooler or or more you know sexier or you know what I'm saying?
01:34:14.000Yeah, I I I I relate to both, you know.
01:34:18.000Um Yeah, I think that's a good thing to tell people too, because uh everybody wants to hear the drug st like Bill Hicks had a great joke about nobody ever hears uh great drug stories.
01:34:44.000This is the it's important for people to know because you don't want 'em to think you're lying to them.
01:34:48.000You know, and for them to hear you sober and happy and go, okay, that's possible.
01:34:56.000You can get there because this guy's admitting what getting high was.
01:35:01.000You know, like there's a there's a scene in the documentary where you're talking about the first time you smoke crack where this girl's giving you a blowjob while you're smoking crack, and it was like the greatest feeling of all time.
01:35:47.000So when he's explaining like the effects of crack and how different it is and how incredible it is and the euphoria of it, and it's like he's literally saying that he's like getting the itch while he sitting there sober, talking about working on a sobriety, trying to keep it together.
01:36:05.000Interesting after all it publicly shamed for being out of control and telling talking about crack like a lover that you lost in a a drowning accident.
01:37:33.000In the nineteen eighties, I don't know if they were cutting it with anything, but I made a decision at one point in time in my life, no, I don't want to have nothing to do with that one.
01:41:24.000Well he to he stopped doing stand-up for a long time and he was selling aluminum siding.
01:41:28.000And then he made it again when he was much older in life.
01:41:31.000He came back and the thing that happened was from the time he stopped doing stand up to when he went back to having a regular job, he never stopped writing jokes.
01:42:48.000And uh I was backstage or by the by the outside of the backstage, and Ron D. Dangerfield would go on stage completely naked with a bathrobe on.
01:43:14.000But if you went in the green room, you were seeing his dick.
01:43:16.000Because he's sitting there, he would just sit there, his dick could be hanging out, he didn't care.
01:43:20.000Uh struggled financially for nine years, one performing as a singing waiter until he was fired before taking a job selling aluminum siding in the mid fifties to support his wife and family.
01:43:30.000He later quipped so the nineteen sixties he started reviving his career.
01:43:51.000Dangerfield came to realize what he lacked was an image, well defined on stage persona that the audience could relate to, one that would distinguish him from other comics after being shunned by some premier comedy venues, he returned home where he became developing a character for whom nothing goes right.
01:46:23.000But Dangerfield was one of the rare ones that introduced new comics to people.
01:46:27.000Like those that's where everybody found out about Kinison, so everybody found out about Dice Clay, Don Marera, Lenny Clark, all these guys, uh Robert Schimmel, they all started out on the Rodney Dangerfield HBO comedy specials.
01:47:46.000Um we'd seen you know, different parts of the world traveling with him, you know, Mexico, uh Italy, uh Switzerland, Germany, places like that, you know.
01:47:56.000But then you get to the Philippines and it was just um you just got a sense that um wow, that this is all going on at the same time that we've been in Malibu, like kind of you know, uh having fun and and just doing cool shit.
01:48:17.000And that and so you visit a place like that and get in the middle of it and and and engage in in in this entirely just this this just a new uh it's such a surreal reality.
01:48:30.000Um and then, oh, wait a minute, they're here to make a movie and it's about a film that uh it's it's it's about a it's a film about a war that er that and barely ended like a year ago, right?
01:48:48.000Yeah, and they're and I mean it was like right at the tail end of it.
01:48:51.000Um and so yeah, it was uh we you know we were able to do enough stuff like recreationally, you know, that w with th that there was a lake and you could water ski, you could fish, you could do those kind of things if you didn't want to go to the set with dad.
01:49:10.000But once you went and saw the set where dad was, you didn't give a fuck about water sports or fish or anything because what what what what they'd built and and what they were trying to create was uh w was was mind blowing because you know, Coppola built Kurtz compound out of practical materials.
01:49:32.000It wasn't like you know, like uh like plaster covered uh chicken wire and rebar.
01:49:39.000These were like, you know, two ton boulders.
01:49:55.000Um but then the just the mix of people and the talent and Dennis Hopper and Brando and Duvall and and it just it was every day felt uh c completely unique.
01:50:08.000You there there was not there was no you you'd go to the set and you were going to see something completely different than what you saw the day before.
01:50:42.000As a ten year old, when you start seeing how it's made and and you know, so gore um, I think I write in the book, um was never Gore in movies w was never emotional.
01:50:57.000And but but but still kept me really curious about about how it was done and and just the the the the artisans behind it that that could create those effects.
01:51:15.000Yeah, it was three at first, and then maybe four at first, and then we went back and then dad has the heart attack and then we went back and stayed for like another four or f four months, yeah.
01:51:28.000So um yeah, it was and and people say, so you know, growing up on sets, you must have like dreamed about being an actor.
01:51:35.000I'm like, yeah, until I got to the set that almost killed my dad, you know.
01:51:47.000Um but it also um it it it just the scope of the filmmaking was really exciting and and we you know, I d I didn't really understand it as a ten or eleven year old.
01:52:01.000Um but I knew I I I knew there was something about it that that that that required of a mu a much y you know, closer look and and I had a very keen interest in in just you know what it what it what what what what would it take to to like build this the you know the the this reality, this fake reality.
01:52:23.000Oh, but wait, the subject is based in reality, but everything else around it is fake.
01:52:29.000So That's a very strange experience for a ten year old.
01:53:09.000And when you watch that, the the you know, when what when when Kilgore takes the beachhead, that chopper assault?
01:53:17.000I mean, when you look at the just what they had what they committed to to bring that to the screen, it's just it's impossible.
01:53:27.000And then you you you see some of the documentary stuff about he was like those were on loan from the Philippine Army, and then like midday they had to go fight the rebels somewhere else, and they told Francis, we gotta leave now with the choppers, and he's like, I have 18 cameras set up.
01:53:42.000The whole the river is filled with bombs, where are you going?
01:54:21.000Narrate the fucking thing and then it it it it's elevated to be on par with the one of the how does the only films that gets mentioned in the same breath as apocalypse now when it comes to war films.
01:54:37.000I'm a much bigger fan of Apocalypse than Platoon, and that is m primarily about just the the scope and the complication and and just what you know um uh uh difficulty factor.
01:55:51.000And imagine So when was it when did the the project start?
01:55:54.000Uh I mean varying times uh of discussions.
01:55:57.000Casting started February 76 is when Steve McQueen dropped out.
01:56:02.000So the So it's not as many years as I thought it was.
01:56:05.000They shot with Harvey Keitel for a few weeks as Willard.
01:56:10.000Did you know that and um then Francis it just was he he made the wrong choice?
01:56:19.000Oh Harvey was doing it, you know, whatever he could, but Francis just saw it differently and had met dad during the godfather auditions and said, Let me meet with Marty.
01:57:40.000Um but when I saw it at the Cinerama Dome in 70 millimeter, you know, um, and it's like, man, when those choppers, when you hear them, when you hear just they're they're they're they're all around you.
01:57:53.000Um there the a film will never open like that again and have that kind of an impact.
01:58:01.000Did I mean were did you see it at the dome when you first saw it?
01:58:16.000Um maybe I saw it when it came out on HBO or something like that for the first time.
01:58:21.000When I really got into it was when I got a home theater and I got surround sound and I got Apocalypse uh redo the Apocalypse Now Redo the like the new newly mastered one.
01:59:50.000So to then see that scene where you know dad first steps off the boat at the compound and Hopper has that incredible monologue.
01:59:57.000Yeah, you know, you got the cigarettes, that's what I've been dreaming about.
02:00:00.000And it's just like so to have that that kind of that that to have been there that long and still be it's a a completely fresh cinematic experience was a trip.
02:00:12.000Did you ever get imposter syndrome like when you were doing Platoon?
02:00:18.000Did you ever get like how the fuck am I here?
02:00:21.000Because it's so quick between you being ten, right being in the jungle while they're filming Apocalypse Now to you starring in Platoon.
02:00:29.000Had you settled into that, or were you ever like, how the fuck do I deserve this?
02:00:34.000One of the things that John Cryer says in the documentary thing about he might be around to say.
02:01:14.000But the thing about Platoon and when it happened, um the good news is that I had done enough film work, um, you know, not not like super memorable films, except maybe uh parts of Red Dawn, I think are pretty memorable.
02:01:28.000Um just you know, what the film kind of was, you know what it stood for what it was about.
02:01:32.000Um I think parts of Bueller were kind of memorable first bueller, right?
02:01:37.000But um but yeah so so was so was just sort of getting um more comfortable in front of a camera more comfortable sort of you know being able to think on film and actually you know breathe on film.
02:01:54.000I know that sounds kind of like actor schmactory, but it's actually a thing.
02:01:58.000Because you're only talking about controlling your breath in every other area of life.
02:02:03.000And it's the same is true uh uh as an actor yeah for sure even doing the show even doing two and a half uh for that first scene I was I was usually off I was usually like about to make an entrance from somewhere and I'd be back there and chain smoking I'm you know Marlboro Rads and just trying to figure out the first scene.
02:02:22.000But then when you'd hear the you'd hear the you'd hear the stage go quiet, right?
02:02:26.000Someone y'all's you know speeding sound market.
02:02:29.000And then if I could get that last breath to go to the bottom I knew this first take was going to be awesome.
02:02:37.000When the breath stopped about like at the sternum I was fucked.
02:02:44.000Yeah then you can't then you're chat and then the thing and then yeah and then that first take is just a pancake which sucks because that's the first time the audience is going to see it.
02:03:28.000So he still does a traditional multi-camera guy I worked with friend of mine is on that writing staff.
02:03:35.000God they used to be all over the television.
02:03:37.000I know there used to be tons of them oh I think Chuck's new show on Netflix um it's called uh Leanne Lorraine shit Leanne yeah um I think that that's a live audience you know okay so they're still doing some of them they're fun it's fun when when it works you know yeah it's like it's it's a missing genre in today's culture.
02:04:07.000Most of what was on late at night exactly at night time we when you got done having dinner you can sit down and watch friends or you would sit down and watch Seinfeld or two and a half men or comfort view for sure.
02:04:20.000Yeah we um my family binge watched uh Big Bang Theory I never watched it when it was on the air we binge watched it's a good fucking show.
02:04:36.000Right on yeah that kid kid that that young man Jim, right, uh had some of the most complicated dialogue that anybody's ever been saddled with ever.
02:04:47.000Yeah he's the first autistic star of an action show or of a sitcom.
02:05:20.000Yeah so am I so am I no that that sucked having that out there.
02:05:25.000Yeah you know um you know I did finally actually remember that fucking thing and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna it's the other component to that frickin' tour to that meltdown to that thing there was a moment when I was only in rehab for like I don't know three weeks or a month.
02:05:42.000It wasn't like one of those extended stays.
02:05:44.000It was just like a you know just like a quick little quick little two yeah like a spin drive whatever they call that.
02:05:51.000Um and I got the call we want to we want to renegotiate the giant contract for season eight and nine, you know and I I was on the phone I said I I don't I don't think so.
02:06:02.000Then they're like, what, you don't think you're gonna get paid?
02:06:03.000I'm like, no, I don't I don't think I don't think I don't think we should do it.
02:06:06.000I'm not I I think seven is like, you know, mantle war seven, some other cool sevens, you know.
02:06:14.000I and I don't think I think seven is like plenty.
02:06:17.000I think we've I think we've told all the stories that we can mine from that from that Malibu house on the beach with those people.
02:06:24.000They're like, no, no, you don't understand, man.
02:06:26.000This is when it all like this is when it turns into like a legacy play for your fucking kids and their kids and that.
02:06:31.000And then the part they always leave out is an R cut.
02:09:02.000Uh no, it's supposed to get uh it was it was design it was called a ten ninety.
02:09:08.000Yeah, how scenario they suck you into that is they say, look, you uh you're not gonna get a ton on the on the on the front side, but you're gonna be you you know, you you're gonna own a third of the show.
02:09:19.000Or like forty to thirty-seven, thirty-eight percent of the show in perpetuity.
02:09:24.000So we're gonna do a hundred episodes, and it's the uh South Park um uh model that was the first ten ninety that really just blew it up and everybody got fucking rich.
02:09:34.000So you do these ten episodes, you do a ten episode pilot.
02:09:38.000And then if you hit if if the average number of those ten episodes comes in at like, I don't know, at like a like a uh above a four or like a five one or something that it's like a share, right?
02:09:55.000And so then you're doing those ninety to have a s of sellable uh uh uh syndication package that will just go all over the world and and you know, do what syndicated sitcoms do.
02:10:09.000And so you've done it, yeah, you know, and y you know, when you say not a lot on on the front side, you're still, you know, still getting a buck fifty an app, you know, two hundred that's pretty good money, right?
02:10:20.000Um, but it's not but you kind of you kinda eat it on that side knowing that it's an investment for the other thing to to pay gangbusters.
02:10:29.000So you did you guys you did the ten episodes and then you got to do all of them?
02:11:45.000I didn't, yeah, and I didn't I stopped caring.
02:11:49.000But I still, you know, had enough dough to keep the lifestyle and all that other fun shit going on, and just stayed way too fucking high to really engage in this thing.
02:12:01.000Um I mean, I was doing this thing, Joe, where I would I was partying, you know, hitting the fucking pipe, either girls or porn or both, or who, you know, whoever showed up, yeah, fucking, yeah, hey, come on in.
02:12:17.000And then um there's this thing, I think I I felt like I was time traveling from like 1 a.m. to like seven felt like s eleven, I don't know, 15 minutes.
02:12:30.000Whereas, you know, nine to midnight felt normal.
02:12:33.000Wow, we have plenty of time to do everything.
02:12:35.000And then like the the the hours I really needed to like, you know, settle in and enjoy, those just vanished.
02:12:49.000So I'd pop a couple of shots or like half a Xanax or something, and I said, Oh, I just need and I would literally do this thing.
02:12:55.000It was a 15-minute, 20-minute nap where I would just hit the pillow, I'd try to meditate with a body just vibrating from crack all night, trying to meditate.
02:13:06.000At that point, I'm trying to fucking time travel.
02:13:12.000And but I could feel okay, I've I've generated some calmness.
02:13:16.000Then then I would hit the shower, and I would t I'd be in the shower and I'd say, okay, I only have to navigate from this shower to the next shower.
02:14:49.000You know, it's like, what are we doing?
02:14:51.000And so, yeah, and then that turns into that thing where you just then they start getting behind, and I would just be like, ah, I'll just sorry for the overtime, I'll just pay for it.
02:15:02.000And you know, they should they should have not taken the money.
02:15:05.000They should have said we're shutting down.
02:15:06.000You need to fucking go go go get well or go get just a little better than what you're showing up as.
02:15:13.000Um and so that show kind of never really had a chance to be anything really anything special, you know, because I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't really care about it.
02:15:23.000And the thing that sucks about that looking back, it's like think about all the energy and the hard work that all those other people put into it and committed to it because I said yes.
02:15:50.000But did anybody even say um okay, so hold on, what did he do between that that you know, after that last swan dive into the volcano that we all watched, what and then he's on the he's back on he's on another show.
02:16:05.000Like, what did he do between then and there?
02:16:07.000Well, the narrative on you was as an outsider was that you were one of the rare guys who could party like that but still pull it off and have a career.
02:16:52.000And you were doing a live interview with this lady, and you're you're talking to her about smoking rocks, and and she was flabbergasted, like you could tell.
02:17:03.000Yeah, she did not expect that kind of candor with discussion of uh illicit drugs.
02:17:29.000Because I'd watched something like a couple days before I sat down with Andrea Canning, and it was this old interview with Charlie Gibson on g on uh some special they did for ABC, right?
02:17:40.000I don't even think it wasn't a GMA piece, it was like a more in-depth one of those exposes they do, you know.
02:17:45.000And it was me coming out of rehab, and I I remember watching myself and just being such a I was like, that guy's a fucking sizzy, man.
02:18:09.000And then you know, I got all the I got the brain full of you know, fucking nuclear crazy cream that I'm on fucking you know just covering myself in.
02:18:40.000I was on the phone with him like the day a couple days before that, because Tony and I, Tony Todd and I were watching uh baseball highlights.
02:18:47.000I was like, wow, this guy looks this guy's a fucking trip.
02:21:05.000And that's when it turned into and then I start hearing Brian's stuff, and I'm like, uh I don't know, man, I'm fucking tired of and then it all just and then it it got away from me and I and I couldn't pull it back.
02:21:20.000And then everybody's like, okay, well that was different.
02:21:23.000I mean it's kind of fucking interesting and unique and whatever, man.
02:21:26.000Well, um, well, let's just let's let's you know, let's just have a quiet night and and and and and we'll see how that plays out, you know.
02:21:34.000And I wake up into a world of not not the world I said goodnight to six hours earlier.
02:21:43.000And uh my friends are banging on the door, people are you know, sending me, you know, videos and stuff, and he's like, dude, the fucking the world's on fire with your shit, man.
02:21:53.000I'm like, all right, what does that mean?
02:21:55.000Um and there's like there's folk songs and rap songs, and people like marching in the streets and there's already t-shirts and there's this, it's just it has just gone, it exploded.
02:22:08.000And so it's not like I could jump on my roof with a bullhorn and say, All right, everybody, okay, let's just, you know, every fighters were saying they had tiger blood.
02:22:39.000And I wasn't gonna be s sissy Charles from from the 90s, you know.
02:22:45.000It was like this whole convergence of all these elements and all these emotions and all these feelings and and also the you know resentment I had in myself, you know, and just like, all right, I'm just gonna pick some targets.
02:22:59.000And and you know, would have been nice had it been sort of uh if I could have just sort of been herded um just kind of you know away from it, you know.
02:23:14.000Have you ever thought of what your life would be like if you didn't do that interview?
02:23:18.000I I've started to I've started I've started to try to walk into that village, right?
02:23:26.000But as soon as I take a look around, none of it really makes sense because it it's it did I I I can't really imagine it.
02:23:34.000You know, what what do you think it would I mean what would it it's it's hard to kind of even put those pieces together.
02:23:42.000I wonder if you had ever would have gotten sober.
02:24:37.000And still you have to battle with the this reinforcement because now everybody is loving the fact that you know you're winning and that you know you're talking about how much crack you smoke and how crazy it is, and you got all these hot girls and everybody's like, he's winning.
02:25:58.000I said, 'cause I'm gonna rewrite the entire show.
02:26:01.000And I think um I think Natty was on that trip.
02:26:05.000I think maybe Rick, I don't know, Shady was on anyway, and I just I just uh there was a place, you know, room in the back, and I just kinda barricaded myself with a pad of paper and a pen and just went to town and just sort of started trying to reshape it.
02:26:17.000And when I got to Chicago, they were expecting all this all the special effects we needed from that gar you know, all that garbage.
02:26:40.000But isn't that weird I had the wherewithal, like in the middle of all that, and they still had enough enough something, enough of that thing to tr to just you know, maybe that's just pride at that point.
02:26:52.000Certainly it's also uh that's the impact of public humiliation.
02:31:57.000You could put the headphones on, you can hear it.
02:31:59.000Yeah, and again, emphasize what you just emphasized.
02:32:01.000We don't know any the details of this that we don't know if this was the supporter shooting their gun off in celebration, or so we have no idea about it.
02:32:08.000That's what that's what the crazy thing was.
02:32:37.000No, I know, but I'm just saying it's like I mean they want to try to pin it on tr a Trump supporter with a crazy Trump supporter with a gun.
02:34:18.000That that that we see and and are uh j j you know aware of daily yeah I mean he's one of those young influencers, right?
02:34:33.000This time from the right, who is uh all over social media, always doing these various shows and debating people and talking to people and giving speeches and sure.
02:34:55.000But I know people are gonna celebrate it because p this is a fucked up time and people have really fallen into this trap of us against them.
02:35:04.000But it's also gonna make people not want to be as courageous or not want to be as as as as as forthright with with the things they believe.
02:35:11.000It's gonna it's gonna put people on guard.
02:35:24.000And yeah, you know, and i you just go you know, going through the whole New York thing, I just you know, sometimes you're you you know, there's a there's a crowd and it's all love.
02:35:33.000It's all love, and all they want is you know, is is your signature or a photo or this and that.
02:35:38.000But there's so much of those moments where you're spent looking down.
02:36:08.000Well, it's you know, when we were talking about assassinations earlier, whether it's Kennedy or RFK or you know, you think of him in the past.
02:36:17.000You think of them like you don't when something happens in the the current, like right now with this one with Charlie Kirk, it doesn't seem real.
02:37:26.000And to encourage this kind of thing is really One of the most horrific things that you could do after someone dies horribly like this is celebrate.
02:37:41.000It's it's it's it's it's on it's unfortunate.
02:37:43.000It should be a wake up call for everybody.
02:39:31.000And it's just like Charlie didn't get the benefit of a head turn or a couple of a couple of microns or millimeters or you know, and it's just like wow.
02:40:17.000There's a lot of weird stuff in that story.
02:40:19.000There's a cell phone that was traveling because of metadata.
02:40:22.000They know a cell phone was traveling from offices uh outside of the offices of the FBI in that area, all the way to this guy multiple times.
02:41:48.000But it's just man, it's uh it it it it sucks that that to say things like you know, the the the these are the times we we currently inhabit, you know, and and that the that there's nothing that is an absolutely factual statement.
02:42:38.000I think it's a giant percentage of all online discourse or people are hating and saying mean things about people's political beliefs or anti-Israel things or anti uh Palestine things or whatever.
02:42:50.000I I just think a giant ton of that is foreign foreign governments who are running these bot farms.
02:43:35.000Some of it's organic for sure, but a lot of it is being enhanced by foreign governments for sure.
02:43:41.000And probably some of it by our own government.
02:43:43.000What they did with the with the the Manson family, you think they stopped there?
02:43:48.000You think n some of that kind of stuff isn't going on right now that we don't know about right now because there hasn't been a Tom O'Neill to write a book about it.
02:43:56.000And then we also never know which stuff was the beta test for the you know, for that for that s you know, specific type of program or that specific type of op to be rolled out.
02:46:18.000It's it's the best time ever to stretch.
02:46:21.000But as far as time with with the with the portable blanket is like a I I tell people it's like a bickram class without all the yelling and pain.
02:46:56.000But uh they were doing it a couple of years back about uh the benefits of hot yoga and whether they're comparable to the medical, the known medical benefits of sauna, which are pretty pretty well documented.
02:47:09.000And and what what what was the conclusion?
02:47:16.000You know, I've been in a lot of hot saunas and I've done a lot of hot yoga, and the you because of the exercise, I think you reach very similar body temperatures.
02:47:26.000And you your heart rate jacks up because you're so you're so hot and you're you're you know, you could barely cool yourself off with a glass of water when they let you have a sip.
02:47:35.000Like in between things, you're allowed to take a sip of water.
02:49:53.000And for about a six-month period, you know, Quincy's in a little Speedo's, and he's giving, you know, he's giving it his all, he'd be in the middle of like the standing bow or the frickin' head to knee or something like a triangle or something really complicated, and he'd stop and he'd leave the class, but you'd see him going to the desk and writing shit down, fucking sweating in his speedo, right?
02:50:13.000And he's writing shit down, he's sweating all over the paper.
02:50:16.000He'd come back and try to, you know, resume what what he was doing.
02:50:20.000And then this went on for a while, and we came to find out later.