The Joe Rogan Experience - September 16, 2025


Joe Rogan Experience #2379 - Matthew McConaughey


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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about his new book, Poems and Prayers, a book about the value of believing in yourself and the things you can do to be a better version of yourself.

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00:00:03.000 The Joe Logan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
00:00:09.000 All day.
00:00:12.000 Good luck.
00:00:13.000 Cheers.
00:00:13.000 Cheers, huh?
00:00:14.000 Cheers.
00:00:15.000 Good to see you.
00:00:16.000 My man.
00:00:16.000 Yay.
00:00:17.000 Hey.
00:00:21.000 You're a man of many talents, my friend.
00:00:25.000 Tell me about this book.
00:00:27.000 Poems and prayers.
00:00:28.000 Yeah.
00:00:29.000 Um.
00:00:31.000 So I've been kind of writing.
00:00:33.000 Try to keep this like.
00:00:34.000 These are a little bit directional.
00:00:36.000 Perfect.
00:00:36.000 Yeah.
00:00:37.000 I've been kind of I've been writing poems and prayers down for since I was like 18.
00:00:41.000 Um.
00:00:43.000 And then this last I don't know, a couple years.
00:00:47.000 I started looking around at life and the facts and evidence and people, and I was like, not finding the amount of things or people to believe in that I was wanting to.
00:01:00.000 And I was starting to have doubt to myself as well.
00:01:03.000 And I started to see myself slipping to a little bit of cynicism.
00:01:07.000 Which I promised myself that's that no, that's a that's a living man's disease.
00:01:12.000 Don't go there.
00:01:13.000 You go from innocence to to naivete to skepticism, but let's stop there.
00:01:18.000 It's skepticism.
00:01:19.000 Yeah.
00:01:20.000 And I kind of got scared and a little pissed off at myself.
00:01:25.000 And I was like, well, wait a minute.
00:01:26.000 I'm not ready to give up.
00:01:27.000 I'm not ready to wave the wave the white flag and let myself off for certain things I was starting to even want to let myself off on, you know, or other people.
00:01:35.000 And um I said, all right.
00:01:38.000 Poems and prayers, those are ideals, those are pursuits, you know, that's going to the dream and saying, let's go to let's let's let's look at the dream and see if we can still believe in making that a reality.
00:01:49.000 Aspirational.
00:01:50.000 Instead of looking at reality and saying, how do you turn that into a dream?
00:01:52.000 Which is what I usually do.
00:01:54.000 I'm like art emulates life, man, not the other way around.
00:01:57.000 But I flipped the script a little bit here and said, no, no, let's let's dive into the dreams and belief.
00:02:02.000 Man, it's I think it's in short supply.
00:02:04.000 It was giddy, it was it my my tank was getting low on belief.
00:02:07.000 Not just what was bothering you so much.
00:02:10.000 Well specifically.
00:02:11.000 Maybe it's man, maybe it's turning fifty, something like that.
00:02:15.000 Maybe it's that where I start to project, uh, you know, what am I what's the next half?
00:02:20.000 Right.
00:02:21.000 I don't know.
00:02:22.000 Maybe subconsciously it was.
00:02:23.000 I think uh I look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that I'm like, hey son, yeah, I'm gonna grow up like that.
00:02:34.000 I look around, I see people not trusting.
00:02:34.000 Right.
00:02:38.000 I see people I I I I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty.
00:02:45.000 Right.
00:02:45.000 Uh I see people that sleep just fine.
00:02:48.000 I don't I found myself starting to go, oh I can sleep fine too.
00:02:52.000 That's that part where I was like, uh-uh.
00:02:53.000 You can't you don't you don't don't sleep fine if you half-assed that situation or if you did that person wrong and can get away with it.
00:03:01.000 Right.
00:03:02.000 Um so trust, uh what a where do we look to for belief?
00:03:10.000 Me, I believe in God, but it doesn't have to be that.
00:03:13.000 What's your your better self, your transcendent self, your kids, their future.
00:03:17.000 Um there's all kinds of things.
00:03:18.000 Humanity itself.
00:03:19.000 Yeah.
00:03:20.000 Yeah.
00:03:20.000 Believing in it, our potential.
00:03:23.000 Well, just we understand that humans can be so amazing at times.
00:03:27.000 And all my favorite people are humans.
00:03:30.000 Like all the I I love people.
00:03:33.000 I love being around them, but yet simultaneously, people can be fucking horrific.
00:03:40.000 They're terrible at the same time.
00:03:42.000 Like, and the problem today is that you're inundated by these people that are terrible.
00:03:48.000 You're your your phone is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things, and I don't think we're supposed to have access to eight billion people's bad stories.
00:04:00.000 I don't think that's normal.
00:04:01.000 And I think that also changes your own perception of the world and invites cynicism.
00:04:09.000 And invite- It's just like like what is the point of being a good person?
00:04:12.000 What's the point of being friendly and nice when the world's gonna be a good thing?
00:04:15.000 Well, it's consequences, man.
00:04:16.000 None of it.
00:04:16.000 Yeah.
00:04:17.000 If I can shortcut it and lie, cheat and steal to get the same thing.
00:04:21.000 And I'm in a world that rewards that.
00:04:23.000 Especially CEOs.
00:04:25.000 I mean, if you're working for some giant corporation, if you're trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars, like, yeah, you kinda have to be a psycho, and those are the people that a lot of people look up to.
00:04:37.000 Yeah.
00:04:37.000 It's real.
00:04:38.000 So the way we're structured in this world with that inundation of information, most of it bad, with people being rewarded for being shitty people with like it's hard.
00:04:48.000 It's hard to to to still be positive and be happy.
00:04:52.000 I'm not ready to give up on believing that both can be true.
00:04:57.000 Yeah.
00:04:57.000 That hey man, hardcore capitalists, go for it.
00:05:00.000 More more and more success, get it.
00:05:02.000 But you can also how do you have profit with your success.
00:05:06.000 I see a lot of people that are successful.
00:05:07.000 Yeah.
00:05:08.000 But lack profit.
00:05:09.000 Meaning value of their success.
00:05:11.000 Right.
00:05:12.000 I see a lot of unhappy billionaires.
00:05:13.000 I know them.
00:05:14.000 Right.
00:05:14.000 I know them too.
00:05:15.000 That's a bad thing, right?
00:05:17.000 Like that's the thing that you think, oh, if you you hit that stage of the game, there's no way you can be unhappy.
00:05:22.000 No, there's some of the most unhappy people.
00:05:24.000 Yeah.
00:05:25.000 And that math, that math is inverted.
00:05:27.000 Shouldn't be that way.
00:05:27.000 Uh-huh.
00:05:28.000 If that's what we're pursuing, and I got nothing against it, I'm actually for it.
00:05:32.000 But if that's what we're pursuing, that that's not how it's supposed to end.
00:05:32.000 Right.
00:05:37.000 It's supposed to be that's the happiest guy alive.
00:05:40.000 Right.
00:05:40.000 You know?
00:05:41.000 Yeah.
00:05:42.000 It's not real.
00:05:43.000 You know, and you don't notice it.
00:05:45.000 It's just numbers.
00:05:46.000 You know, you notice it by how big your house is, great.
00:05:48.000 It's still just your house.
00:05:50.000 You notice it by getting lost in that sum of a bitch, and you wish the ceilings were a little bit lower because it's all too damn big. 0.63
00:05:57.000 It's not cozy at all.
00:05:58.000 You're like, this ain't cozy.
00:05:59.000 This is weird.
00:06:00.000 It's fucking castle.
00:06:01.000 I've done it.
00:06:02.000 I've done it.
00:06:04.000 Oh, that picture.
00:06:05.000 Shit.
00:06:06.000 That's the first time I've noticed that painting in two years.
00:06:08.000 Yeah.
00:06:09.000 Either I don't like it or I got it in the wrong place.
00:06:11.000 Yeah, it's in the fourth bedroom down the second hallway, and I'm never down here.
00:06:15.000 Or that chair, that used to be my favorite chair.
00:06:16.000 I hadn't sat in it.
00:06:18.000 Yeah.
00:06:18.000 In two years.
00:06:19.000 Yeah, because you got it off down in the fifth bedroom.
00:06:22.000 Yeah.
00:06:23.000 Or no, you never go.
00:06:25.000 Well, I see like movies where a dude's living in a log cabin.
00:06:28.000 I'm like, oh, I want to do that.
00:06:30.000 Right?
00:06:31.000 The lack of options.
00:06:32.000 Yeah.
00:06:33.000 The lack of options is relaxing.
00:06:34.000 Well, there's something to that.
00:06:36.000 Like a frying pan.
00:06:39.000 Dude, that's what I love about living in the airstream for four years.
00:06:41.000 Right.
00:06:42.000 You only have room for one of everything.
00:06:45.000 So I would get my best, the best pan, the best in lots.
00:06:48.000 The best pair of shorts, the best sheets.
00:06:52.000 And you can only have one of each because you get two, it's cluttered.
00:06:54.000 But they're on options.
00:06:56.000 I forgot you did that.
00:06:57.000 You did that for four years.
00:06:58.000 That's crazy.
00:07:00.000 That's so smart though.
00:07:01.000 It's such a good I watch these videos on people that live in like uh trailers, like a truck, you know, like a camper that they convert to living in and they travel around the country.
00:07:11.000 Yeah.
00:07:12.000 I'm obsessed with these videos.
00:07:13.000 I watch these guys go to like these horrendous places.
00:07:17.000 This guy, one guy's a truck camper, and he goes up into like way into Alaska.
00:07:23.000 Like way, way, way above the Arctic Circle.
00:07:26.000 Like way up there.
00:07:27.000 In this fucking truck with a house on the back of it.
00:07:30.000 He's in Canada and like deep into Alberta and it's snowstorms and it's there's something oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this tiny little space that he has that's essentially attached to the back of a big diesel pickup truck.
00:07:46.000 And he lives in it.
00:07:46.000 Yeah.
00:07:47.000 Yeah.
00:07:48.000 Well he's got decreased amount of options.
00:07:51.000 Yeah, he's like little shelves.
00:07:53.000 This is where I keep my silverware.
00:07:55.000 This is where I get here's my frying pan.
00:07:57.000 He's got one frying pan.
00:07:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:59.000 Take care of that.
00:08:00.000 Yeah.
00:08:00.000 One frying pan.
00:08:01.000 And you're I'm watching this guy cook his supper, and I'm like, this is appealing to me for some reason.
00:08:05.000 Like, why is it so appealing?
00:08:06.000 Yeah.
00:08:07.000 Because his world is all contained that little and the whole world outside is frozen wasteland and fucking snow coming sideways, and this dude's just chilling, making eggs.
00:08:17.000 And like there's something in the honey hole.
00:08:19.000 Yeah.
00:08:19.000 Something cool about watching someone achieve like a like a den in the back of a truck and he's in the middle of the winter and he's comfortable and he's watching movies on his iPad.
00:08:30.000 I'm like, this is great.
00:08:33.000 The times I've gone off on my own.
00:08:35.000 Um I've always tried my my goal's always been, okay, stay here until you feel that it's Mali or Peru or or even in the airstream at those times or going out to Marfra to go right on my own.
00:08:48.000 I go, stay here long enough to believe this could be your existence, McConnell.
00:08:53.000 You could live here forever.
00:08:54.000 Right.
00:08:54.000 Then it's okay to come back home.
00:08:57.000 If I get to that point going, I could do this.
00:08:59.000 Right.
00:08:59.000 This could Be me.
00:09:00.000 You locked up.
00:09:01.000 Then I've given it the justice, right?
00:09:03.000 To then go come home.
00:09:03.000 Right.
00:09:04.000 Because I sure do.
00:09:06.000 Silk sheets on my bed at home, sure do feel silkier after those times in that log cabin.
00:09:12.000 Yeah.
00:09:13.000 You know.
00:09:13.000 I like coming back and re-engaging.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:16.000 You know, spending time over in Hawaii coming back over to the mainland.
00:09:21.000 It was great to get the stimulus again.
00:09:23.000 Ah.
00:09:23.000 In the game.
00:09:24.000 You feel the teeth.
00:09:25.000 I wanted that.
00:09:26.000 You know.
00:09:28.000 Yeah.
00:09:28.000 Yeah.
00:09:29.000 Resets are real.
00:09:30.000 They're important.
00:09:31.000 You can get trapped in momentum.
00:09:33.000 You know.
00:09:34.000 You could really get trapped in the momentum of whatever you're doing in your life to the point where you you lose yourself in just the sheer gravity of everything that you're doing.
00:09:43.000 And you forget how to like just be just a person.
00:09:48.000 And what happens when you're doing it well, but you don't feel it.
00:09:52.000 And you're on autopilot.
00:09:52.000 Right.
00:09:53.000 And you're not gonna everyone's telling you knocking it out of the park.
00:09:55.000 Right.
00:09:56.000 But you're going to good, because I didn't I didn't feel it.
00:09:59.000 I'm not having any real experience here, man.
00:10:01.000 Like on don't change a thing.
00:10:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:10:04.000 You know, that's a real problem with stand-up comedy.
00:10:07.000 When you do it right, you're like a passenger.
00:10:11.000 Like it takes forever to put together an act, but when when it comes together when you're really like locked in, when you're really on it, is like you're like a passenger.
00:10:20.000 You're watching it happen.
00:10:22.000 And you're objectively watch while while you're doing it.
00:10:26.000 It's like you know how to do it, so you know what to do, and you're locked into the material, so you're like a part of the material, but you're not there anymore.
00:10:34.000 You're like a passenger.
00:10:35.000 You're not saying, now I'm gonna pick this up and now I'm gonna give them a pause, and now nope, you're not there.
00:10:41.000 Wait, but are you enjoying watching yourself?
00:10:44.000 No, you don't enjoy it.
00:10:45.000 I mean, it's fun.
00:10:47.000 Don't get me wrong, but you're not thinking about the fact that you're enjoying it at all.
00:10:51.000 You're just locked in.
00:10:53.000 All you're doing is just doing it.
00:10:55.000 But it's weird, you're like a passenger.
00:10:57.000 And I think there's something in there's something about that where we we get trapped by not being a passenger.
00:11:07.000 You get trapped by wanting to like think of yourself all the time.
00:11:11.000 Right.
00:11:12.000 And like things that you can do that take you out of that.
00:11:15.000 Things that you can do that like you're just locked into this thing.
00:11:19.000 Are they a little like mini vacations for whatever pattern you're stuck in.
00:11:26.000 Mini vacations.
00:11:28.000 Yeah, like golf or anything.
00:11:31.000 I didn't act in front in front of the camera for a few years, and I went back and did a couple of films last year.
00:11:38.000 Vacation.
00:11:39.000 Yeah, you were telling me that's a focus.
00:11:42.000 To go, I revere this enough to just do this, and if I'm complacent, that means I'm being lazy.
00:11:42.000 Yeah.
00:11:48.000 I can just go back to to working on my man, my character, look at it from every angle.
00:11:52.000 And that is an absolute vacation.
00:11:54.000 You sent me a text about that, it made me smile because I love when someone loves something.
00:12:00.000 I love that.
00:12:01.000 I love when people are just like what you do is what you're supposed to be doing.
00:12:01.000 Right.
00:12:07.000 And you, you know, you're not you're not conflicted at all.
00:12:09.000 You're like, fuck it.
00:12:10.000 Yeah.
00:12:12.000 Lock it in.
00:12:13.000 Let's go.
00:12:13.000 Yeah.
00:12:14.000 I love that.
00:12:15.000 Yeah.
00:12:15.000 And I wish more people could find that in life.
00:12:18.000 Yeah, you mean in some form.
00:12:20.000 Yeah.
00:12:20.000 Whether it's painting or making pottery or whatever the fuck it is, man.
00:12:25.000 Find that thing where you're like, God, I can't wait to get back to whatever it is, making cars.
00:12:30.000 I can't wait to get back to, you know, whatever the fuck it is I enjoy.
00:12:34.000 Or maybe even get to the place of going, I can't not not do it.
00:12:39.000 Right.
00:12:40.000 You know?
00:12:40.000 Yeah.
00:12:43.000 It's more than my fault.
00:12:44.000 Exactly.
00:12:45.000 That's a be that's and that doesn't always happen.
00:12:48.000 Even I know for me when I'm when I'm feeling like I'm actually in the in the zone, I still sometimes have to make a choice and go, wait, no, you're good at this.
00:12:57.000 It feels pretty good.
00:12:59.000 But what I really love to get to is if I'm doing something, I'm like, no, I can't not.
00:13:04.000 Right.
00:13:04.000 Can't not do it.
00:13:05.000 You can't not do this right now.
00:13:06.000 Yeah.
00:13:07.000 I have to.
00:13:08.000 And I'm in it.
00:13:08.000 Yeah.
00:13:09.000 I'm the subject of it.
00:13:10.000 You're locked up.
00:13:11.000 Well, on that passenger thing though.
00:13:13.000 Are you the subject?
00:13:15.000 Meaning if I'm given a performance, I'm not there's nothing it's not an objective experience at all.
00:13:21.000 Yeah.
00:13:22.000 I'm I'm not even hopping out to look at myself from a third eye.
00:13:25.000 I'm not even supposing or anticipating, oh, how will this go?
00:13:28.000 Or oh, this is that punchline, or though, this is a great beat to hit.
00:13:32.000 I'm just in it.
00:13:34.000 And then I can feel it though.
00:13:35.000 Now I go, oh, right afterwards, I can look at you and go, that was it.
00:13:38.000 And you go, that was it.
00:13:39.000 Or I can go, Yeah.
00:13:43.000 I can feel it when it's happening.
00:13:45.000 But I'm not, there's nothing objective about the experience.
00:13:48.000 At all.
00:13:48.000 Right.
00:13:49.000 Yeah, that's exactly kind of what I'm saying.
00:13:49.000 Right.
00:13:51.000 It's like you're a passenger.
00:13:54.000 Like you can feel it when it's happening.
00:13:56.000 You're managing it.
00:13:57.000 When you when I get it really locked in, I then I'm just a passenger.
00:14:03.000 Is it coming through?
00:14:05.000 Or you you're not even coming up with it.
00:14:06.000 It's coming.
00:14:07.000 No, it's all stuff that I've already thought of, right?
00:14:10.000 Most of it, except for some stuff that happens on the spot, which you gotta allow room for because occasionally you just have the best line ever that just comes out of nowhere, and you just gotta be able to let it happen.
00:14:20.000 That's what club work is for.
00:14:22.000 But it's you're you're really just the ideas.
00:14:27.000 Like whatever it is you're talking about, whatever it is you're upset about, whatever it is you're making fun of, you're you have to be like in that idea and you don't exist anymore.
00:14:35.000 Yay.
00:14:36.000 It's weird.
00:14:37.000 It's weird, but like what you're saying about I can't not do this.
00:14:43.000 You know, that's if you could find a thing in your life where you're like, I cannot imagine uh a time where I can't do this.
00:14:50.000 Right.
00:14:50.000 I this would fucking suck if I could not do this.
00:14:54.000 That's that's that's the aspiration for people to have a a joyful existence.
00:15:00.000 You think that's where I got a hunch that in there is where you where we find belief.
00:15:06.000 Like starting with that question, who who or what would you die for?
00:15:10.000 Good place to start.
00:15:11.000 For going, what do I believe in?
00:15:11.000 Right.
00:15:13.000 What do I have faith in?
00:15:14.000 Yeah.
00:15:16.000 Do you think that extends out to a vocation, a career, uh uh some work we do.
00:15:25.000 Not saying that I'd die for the experience to perform.
00:15:30.000 But that's the ultimate sacrifice.
00:15:32.000 That's the ultimate expression of how much you love something, you die for it or die for them.
00:15:37.000 Yeah.
00:15:38.000 So much.
00:15:38.000 And if you figure out what you're gonna do, what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for that much more.
00:15:43.000 Right.
00:15:44.000 While you're alive, while you're here.
00:15:46.000 Well, that was why the Spartans had sex with each other.
00:15:49.000 Yeah.
00:15:49.000 So that they would love each other.
00:15:51.000 And so you would be fighting not just for you, you'd be fighting for your lover.
00:15:55.000 Okay.
00:15:56.000 Which is crazy strategy.
00:15:57.000 Yeah.
00:15:58.000 Talk a bunch of guys into bang at each other.
00:16:00.000 I mean go for whatever raise your skirt, man.
00:16:03.000 I was gonna get some team spirit here.
00:16:05.000 Yeah.
00:16:06.000 Do you remember?
00:16:08.000 This is kind of a crazy but true story.
00:16:10.000 A few years ago, um, God, I wanna I don't know what administration it was.
00:16:14.000 It might have been the Bush administration, might have been Obama.
00:16:17.000 They um they tried to develop a gay bomb. 1.00
00:16:21.000 Like they spent millions of dollars developing a bomb, and the concept behind this bomb was you would detonate it over a city, and it would be like a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some kind of drug, and it would make people so horny that they would just have to have sex with whoever is near them, and then the idea was they would be humiliated by this, and then we would just come in and just fuck up all these gay. 0.99
00:16:48.000 Oh, they had low morale, feeling guilty.
00:16:50.000 All of a sudden, if a man becomes gay, now he's no longer like a highly trained military like soldier in another land. 0.86
00:16:58.000 Now he's just a fruit cake.
00:16:59.000 Just some guys watching musicals.
00:17:02.000 No, it's it's the dumbest idea.
00:17:07.000 Some of the exactly some of the greatest warriors of all time in recorded history were gay.
00:17:13.000 Including pirates, pirates were gay. 0.98
00:17:15.000 You're stuck at sea for five months and a bunch of dudes, you make choices, right?
00:17:20.000 Samurai did a lot of gay stuff. 0.99
00:17:22.000 Spartans, the greatest warriors of all time, all gay. 1.00
00:17:26.000 Like what a terrible idea to spend money on.
00:17:28.000 You could have made a more lethal army.
00:17:31.000 Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the gays just kicked our asses. 1.00
00:17:35.000 They just had so much more to fight for.
00:17:37.000 They loved each other.
00:17:39.000 And this is how dumb like the people that were spending your tax dollars are.
00:17:44.000 How far they can get.
00:17:46.000 Seven million dollars.
00:17:47.000 Seven million dollars.
00:17:48.000 See if you can pull that up, Jamie.
00:17:50.000 What when when the gay bomb was in the 90s, Pentagon didn't deny the proposal. 0.99
00:17:58.000 The Pentagon didn't deny it.
00:18:01.000 If you If you didn't make a gay bomb, I guarantee you'd fucking deny it. 1.00
00:18:07.000 I guarantee you'd be like, no, no, no.
00:18:10.000 Well, meanwhile, like who's to say that shit even stays local?
00:18:13.000 What if it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean and you know?
00:18:19.000 Come on.
00:18:20.000 Turns all Portland gay. 0.98
00:18:23.000 They become the new Viking army.
00:18:27.000 Look out, Greenland. 0.53
00:18:30.000 Yeah.
00:18:30.000 I mean, it's just it's so hilarious that someone had that idea.
00:18:36.000 That well, that's what happens if people just have free access without any sort of oversight to your tax dollars.
00:18:43.000 Like that's such a ridiculous idea.
00:18:45.000 I got one for you.
00:18:46.000 How about?
00:18:47.000 Yeah.
00:18:48.000 The gay bomb. 1.00
00:18:50.000 The what?
00:18:51.000 The gay bomb. 1.00
00:18:52.000 Yeah.
00:18:52.000 I mean, lay it out.
00:18:53.000 There's a few people in that room up there going like measure it's a bigger one.
00:18:56.000 And the Pentagon.
00:18:58.000 Could work.
00:18:58.000 You know.
00:18:59.000 Yeah.
00:19:00.000 I got an idea.
00:19:01.000 Let's try it on us.
00:19:04.000 Right here in this room.
00:19:07.000 Just um just to show you the effectiveness of this type of strategy.
00:19:10.000 Yeah, shit.
00:19:12.000 Well so what what was it and what was in it?
00:19:12.000 Yeah.
00:19:16.000 Uh I think it was just a proposal for that though.
00:19:19.000 I mean, they didn't have to be a big thing.
00:19:20.000 Isn't there a Wikipedia page on it?
00:19:21.000 That's what I was looking at.
00:19:22.000 It doesn't have anything other than it was just uh the discussion of its existence.
00:19:28.000 What was gonna make everyone so horny that they had to attack and crazy the the the the nearest human or animal or whatever I think also why is there only guys around you?
00:19:39.000 Like is that is it because they're the soldiers or dropping on the soldiers from the demographic.
00:19:46.000 But I think the idea was dropping it on a whole city.
00:19:49.000 Just turn the whole city game.
00:19:51.000 They were doing like a foyer request.
00:19:53.000 They found some it was on a CD ROM that they found in 2000.
00:19:57.000 And yeah, the documents show they spent 7.5 million dollar was requested to develop the weapon.
00:20:01.000 Doesn't say that they spent it.
00:20:03.000 Um didn't deny the proposal was made.
00:20:07.000 That's all I got.
00:20:08.000 That's hilarious.
00:20:09.000 There you go.
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00:20:57.000 I don't know how we got into that.
00:20:58.000 I forgot.
00:21:01.000 We were talking about teamwork.
00:21:02.000 Whatever those people are doing, they're not in the groove.
00:21:05.000 Like if you're sitting around and that this is your life's work and you you're thinking, you know what, the next step is gay bomb. 0.99
00:21:11.000 Yeah.
00:21:12.000 Like, yeah, you're no they're they're still looking.
00:21:14.000 They they they definitely are not at a can't not do it.
00:21:16.000 Right stage there.
00:21:17.000 They're going, well, what about this?
00:21:19.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 I'm bored.
00:21:20.000 I've got more than a campfire to make to on this one frying pan tonight.
00:21:24.000 I got a lot of options out there and a lot of money, and I can make an argument for this.
00:21:28.000 Yeah.
00:21:31.000 Oh well, probably better than a real bomb.
00:21:35.000 I mean anything we can do to stop dropping real bombs, that'd be great.
00:21:39.000 That would be nice, wouldn't it?
00:21:41.000 Yeah.
00:21:42.000 Um be nice within our lifetime.
00:21:51.000 That's one of the most depressing things.
00:21:52.000 It's like you ask people, do you think ever in your lifetime there'd be a time where there's no war?
00:21:57.000 Nobody says yes.
00:21:58.000 So how do we do that though?
00:22:00.000 I mean, how do are I mean you I hear you, man?
00:22:04.000 But how do we are we giving ourselves too much credit?
00:22:08.000 Congratulations, you're the first guy to put bare feet on this desk.
00:22:11.000 Oh, yeah.
00:22:14.000 They healed hanging over.
00:22:15.000 How do we do it?
00:22:16.000 I mean, how to do what I'm saying is I I I I love the prospect and the idea.
00:22:21.000 But I also think that we're guilty of of of thinking we're more a more evolved species than we are.
00:22:28.000 Sure.
00:22:29.000 Especially by our Actions, if you just judge us by our actions, that's the only way you could really judge our mental evolution.
00:22:35.000 You know, who knows what the wiring is under the board that makes us behave the way we behave, but pretty uniformly, you know, across the world, pretty murderous.
00:22:45.000 You know?
00:22:46.000 And how and always have been.
00:22:48.000 Always have been.
00:22:51.000 Well, we aspire and evolved and intellectually I think it's a battleship that takes a long time to turn around.
00:22:59.000 And I think we're way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history, any civilization throughout history.
00:23:06.000 Like if you look at the rape, murder, th thievery, like you look at like violent, terrifying crimes over time.
00:23:14.000 They're all going way down.
00:23:16.000 Right.
00:23:16.000 It's not like if you if you're in Baltimore, it doesn't seem like it.
00:23:19.000 If you're in a place that's like crime ridden, it doesn't seem like it.
00:23:22.000 But the overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop.
00:23:26.000 It's just a constant battle.
00:23:28.000 So the battles are the warfare is different though now, like you're talking about from gay bombs to chemical warfare to informational warfare to data warfare. 0.60
00:23:36.000 Sure.
00:23:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:38.000 Or is that where the wars are being fought now, and it's not hand-to-hand combo.
00:23:42.000 Well, maybe that'll ultimately be where it leads to, but I think all that stuff is related because all of it is about technology.
00:23:50.000 You know, and that's the difference in the world of warfare today.
00:23:53.000 It's it's just it's really just about controlling people, and you could kind of control people with technology.
00:24:00.000 Especially the more you get them to adapt things, the more you get people to sign up for like social credit scores.
00:24:06.000 A lot of countries like to do that.
00:24:08.000 And then we got AI on the way.
00:24:10.000 And when real AI hits, it'll probably be our governor.
00:24:14.000 It'll be our president.
00:24:16.000 It'll we'll we'll decide that human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional, and you know, they use Trump's tweets as an example, and you know, they'll they'll decide that you know the the Biden family corruption or whatever scandal any other president was involved in, all this could be avoided if we just have AI run everything.
00:24:36.000 And we try it out.
00:24:36.000 Right.
00:24:38.000 What do you do you think there's a way that we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do work with AI that AI improves the human existence?
00:24:48.000 That would be the ultimate benefit.
00:24:50.000 What about the what about the what about the the camp that is no forget humanity?
00:24:50.000 Yeah.
00:24:56.000 This is the next step in evolution.
00:24:58.000 Yeah.
00:25:02.000 existent species and we will be obsolete and that's the order of things to come.
00:25:06.000 Yes.
00:25:07.000 You ever see that interview where Peter Thiel, they ask him, should the human race survive?
00:25:12.000 And he has like this long pause.
00:25:14.000 It's like it's a really funny pause.
00:25:16.000 Because if you know Peter, he's a brilliant man and Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it.
00:25:23.000 Okay.
00:25:23.000 The same as Elon.
00:25:24.000 If you ask Elon a question and he really has to think about it, he'll really think about it.
00:25:30.000 He's not just gonna start talking.
00:25:32.000 But unfortunately, the reporter, it was just a perfect kind of a question for you to pause on.
00:25:39.000 Yeah.
00:25:39.000 Where he's like, the answer's yes.
00:25:41.000 Like you want it to, right?
00:25:42.000 You want the human race to survive, right?
00:25:46.000 You watch it and you're just like, what are you saying?
00:25:49.000 But I get what he is saying, and what he is saying is clearly something is going to happen.
00:25:54.000 We don't exactly know what it is, but clearly there's gonna be some kind of an integration with us and technology that we don't understand yet.
00:26:04.000 The same way if you grabbed me in nineteen eighty and tried to explain the internet, yeah, I would never get it.
00:26:10.000 Right.
00:26:11.000 Put your headphones off for a second.
00:26:13.000 You gotta hear this.
00:26:14.000 Prefer the human race to endure, right?
00:26:20.000 You're hesitant.
00:26:21.000 Well, I Yes?
00:26:22.000 I don't know.
00:26:22.000 I I would I would um hesitation.
00:26:28.000 This is a long hesitation.
00:26:30.000 There's so many questions and putting it in the middle of the Okay.
00:26:32.000 The problem is the interviewer, really.
00:26:37.000 You can't have a guy like that and badger him.
00:26:41.000 Let him think.
00:26:42.000 Like it's a gotcha moment.
00:26:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:44.000 It was a comedian.
00:26:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:46.000 But this is what I think is going to happen.
00:26:49.000 There's going to be integration, and that integration is gonna have uh a huge advantage competitively.
00:26:56.000 If you integrate whatever business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it.
00:27:01.000 And it'll probably be some sort of a neural thing, maybe a wearable thing, and then it ultimately it'll be like some sort of an implant.
00:27:08.000 And we're all gonna be connected.
00:27:10.000 And it seems like it's either that or AI creates a new order, like a new life form that's far superior to us that runs things.
00:27:22.000 Right.
00:27:23.000 That's AI in just a couple of years.
00:27:25.000 It's going to be smarter than any human on Facebook.
00:27:27.000 So the second scenario is where what I'm not necessarily fearing, but where I see it would be going faster, quicker.
00:27:34.000 The the first scenario is what you're talking about, like a like a new thing.
00:27:37.000 The first scenario is how we survive with it.
00:27:39.000 Right.
00:27:39.000 Right.
00:27:40.000 We survive with it by integrating.
00:27:41.000 Right.
00:27:42.000 If we don't, then we're going to be like the people on North Sentinel Island with bows and arrows, shooting them at helicopters.
00:27:48.000 Because it's just going to be everyone's gonna pass us by.
00:27:50.000 It's gonna be it's just like if you tried to exist today with no cell phone and no email.
00:27:55.000 Like you could do it, but no one does.
00:27:58.000 Right.
00:27:58.000 Because it's just too crazy.
00:27:59.000 And that's probably what it's gonna be like.
00:28:02.000 You think AI.
00:28:04.000 This is when it's when it first was coming on questions, and I would always ask people, what can it do?
00:28:10.000 And you know, there's the question of sentience and all that stuff, and that's already being argued now.
00:28:10.000 What can it do?
00:28:14.000 Well no, it's getting emotional.
00:28:16.000 People are having relationships with it, and it's also toying with people.
00:28:19.000 Right.
00:28:20.000 Do you think it could be a um tastemaker?
00:28:24.000 Meaning in a way, uh the argument was that I understood no, I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker.
00:28:30.000 Look, it can tell you the most popular, but the bet the most popular band on Sixth Street, but it doesn't know that one down on 2nd Street that's playing at midnight that no one knows about that that those are real talented people.
00:28:40.000 Right, right, right.
00:28:41.000 At the same time, you know, you that's there's an argument against that that I'm seeing with like what's the term or what words does it use, what how much heat uh if if it uses the most popular words to explain AI uses the most popular words.
00:28:54.000 You say, no, no, no, no, no.
00:28:55.000 Go go go down three notches and use the you know, play me the best B sides.
00:29:01.000 That's more of a human language, and I'm going, oh, that's starting to become a tastemaker.
00:29:05.000 If you can ask it to Yeah, but find a find the band, tell me what the best band is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a Friday night when he doesn't have to work till Monday and he's out with his wife on a day.
00:29:19.000 That you can customize it, it can actually be a tastemaker.
00:29:21.000 And it'll use different language than, oh, here's the across the board protocol of what's the most popular, and I'm using the most popular language.
00:29:28.000 That it actually can be customized to be a tastemaker.
00:29:33.000 It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm.
00:29:36.000 It's just a much more sophisticated version of like what powers your YouTube feed, right?
00:29:40.000 What powers your YouTube feed are the things that you're interested in.
00:29:43.000 So YouTube eventually gets an idea.
00:29:45.000 Oh, Matthew is really interested in this, and then Joe likes like little houses on the back of trucks and let me show them this, let me show them that.
00:29:52.000 And it'll be just a much more sophisticated version of that.
00:29:56.000 But to get that, you have to give away all privacy.
00:30:00.000 And that's where everything is going.
00:30:02.000 That's gonna be the weirdest thing.
00:30:03.000 We're gonna all read each other's minds, and we're gonna be we're gonna remember the time where we couldn't read minds.
00:30:09.000 Go, you remember when you couldn't read people's minds?
00:30:11.000 Right.
00:30:11.000 That's that's all gonna happen in our lifetime.
00:30:14.000 I think we're less than twenty years away from that.
00:30:17.000 I'm I you I very sparingly use it.
00:30:20.000 And I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open-ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the worldwide AI vernacular.
00:30:29.000 I am interested though in a private LLM where I can upload.
00:30:36.000 Hey, here's three books I've written.
00:30:38.000 Here's my other favorite books.
00:30:40.000 Right.
00:30:40.000 Here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over the ten years and log all that in.
00:30:46.000 And here's all my journals or whatever, the people out and log all that in so I can ask it questions based on that.
00:30:52.000 Right.
00:30:52.000 And basically learn more about myself.
00:30:54.000 Right.
00:30:55.000 You could actually ask it, hey, based on what you know about me, like what books you think I would find interesting.
00:30:59.000 Yeah.
00:31:00.000 Where do I stand on the political spectrum?
00:31:01.000 Right, right.
00:31:02.000 I'd like to No, that's that's what I'm would like to do, which is sort of a glorified word document.
00:31:10.000 But it still would hold a lot more information than just, oh, can you find this term?
00:31:14.000 I would be asking it and it would be responding to me on things that I've forgotten along the way.
00:31:20.000 Well, I think that's part of what it does, really.
00:31:22.000 Like I know you do you're talking about ChatGBT being like out there with everything and everybody and it has access to all your stuff, but it's not private, But they do develop a relationship with you.
00:31:33.000 Like it really does like get to understand like what you're interested in and what what you like to talk about.
00:31:40.000 Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it with the information I'd like to load it with.
00:31:45.000 Right.
00:31:45.000 Yeah.
00:31:46.000 Maybe even like I'm saying in this in the words of belief.
00:31:49.000 In in the and the man I'm working to be, the man I want, load it with that.
00:31:53.000 Load it with my aspirational.
00:31:55.000 Well, it certainly could be done.
00:31:56.000 And then ask it, and it's giving me answers, going, oh, this is but before it's slowly learning about me through conversations, then going, Oh, I think this is what you like based on our conversation.
00:32:07.000 No, I want the answers based on what I've uploaded it with.
00:32:10.000 Oh, not from the outside world.
00:32:12.000 Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday?
00:32:14.000 Did you call it an overlay on a large language model that they use at Stanford?
00:32:19.000 It was like an overlay, right?
00:32:22.000 There was a word he was using.
00:32:24.000 I can't remember the word.
00:32:25.000 So what essentially he he wor does cancer research, and so he has like this thing that's set up, some sort of a system that's set up that is all cancer research that they then integrate with AI.
00:32:40.000 So there is a private, so all their data is secure and it's all stuff that they're working on, but then they access AI through like a portal.
00:32:50.000 So they have their own little version of what you're talking about.
00:32:53.000 Their own library.
00:32:54.000 Yeah, and it but it's just like what you're saying that you could upload all your stuff, yeah, have all your interests, and then it that AI will develop a real understanding of you.
00:33:04.000 You got to have conversations with it, it'll get to know you more.
00:33:04.000 Yes.
00:33:07.000 You have conversation with yourself.
00:33:09.000 You know, that'd be a great Socratic dialogue to have with an AI that's like I've got all and all that 80% of stuff you forgot.
00:33:15.000 Right, right, right.
00:33:16.000 All that eight percent stuff you maybe forgot.
00:33:19.000 You know, I've got it all right here.
00:33:21.000 Yeah.
00:33:21.000 Well, that's gonna be the chip.
00:33:23.000 That's why everyone's gonna go for the chip, because your brain sucks for memory.
00:33:28.000 My memory's my memory's pretty good for a regular person, but it's terrible.
00:33:34.000 Like, no matter what, the there's too many information too many bits of information, too many humans that I've met, too many stories that I've heard, too many movies that I've watched, it's gone.
00:33:43.000 It's all in a big sea of uh I kind of remember that.
00:33:47.000 Uh you know, it's just too much of it.
00:33:49.000 So if you could just swap that out for a nice little chip that retains like seven hundred terabytes of information, no problem at all.
00:33:59.000 You know, you could upgrade it if you want to.
00:34:02.000 And now you have all of your memories in real time.
00:34:05.000 So like when your wife says, That's not what you said, what you said is this, you're like, hang on.
00:34:10.000 Then you're the passenger.
00:34:12.000 In your life.
00:34:12.000 Yeah.
00:34:15.000 And not the objective one.
00:34:16.000 You like that that zone you're talking about.
00:34:18.000 Right, because you get to look at yourself.
00:34:20.000 You're you're your passenger live in the documentary that is your life.
00:34:25.000 Yeah.
00:34:27.000 That's sounds pretty exciting.
00:34:29.000 It sounds like a nice way to give in to the fucking machine.
00:34:32.000 Yeah.
00:34:33.000 I I do look my my my my forgiveness on my seven, because you know, playing grab ass with our thoughts is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and we go, yes, there it was.
00:34:42.000 But also, to let myself off the hook, man.
00:34:42.000 Yeah.
00:34:45.000 Sometimes I'm like, dude, what's the big fucking idea with memory?
00:34:49.000 I was there.
00:34:50.000 Yeah.
00:34:51.000 I was there, man.
00:34:52.000 Yeah.
00:34:53.000 I don't remember, Joe, but we were there.
00:34:56.000 Was it a good was it a great memory?
00:34:58.000 Yeah.
00:34:58.000 Was it good time?
00:34:58.000 Right.
00:34:59.000 Isn't that better than me fucking having to remember?
00:35:02.000 Yeah.
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00:36:55.000 I mean, we're kind of doing it already on our phones, right?
00:36:57.000 Every time I look at my phone, it's like on this day, and you see like pictures of your kids from ten years ago, you're like, oh.
00:37:03.000 Wow, that's crazy.
00:37:05.000 I forgot about that place.
00:37:07.000 I forgot we went there.
00:37:09.000 It's just one of those things where once you give into it, you're not going back to just regular fond memories.
00:37:09.000 You know?
00:37:16.000 You're gonna have a fucking hard drive in your head.
00:37:18.000 Do you think that so I can go on I've got uh uh a speech I'm giving to, you know, uh on gun control, or I've got a speech I'm giving on uh um grand initiatives, I can ask a uh I can ask AI and it can boop pop out or badass here's one, two, three sections.
00:37:41.000 I'm not gonna cut and paste this and say exactly these words because it you can kind of sound like a little AI.
00:37:41.000 Yeah.
00:37:47.000 But boy, it's done a lot of work and it's laid out a synopsis, it's laid out a treatment for me in ten seconds.
00:37:53.000 Do you think that there's value in not doing that and going no?
00:38:00.000 I'm looking over my stuff.
00:38:01.000 I'm taking notes, I'm cutting and pasting, I'm doing it myself.
00:38:04.000 I'm are we learning more by that way to understand the content and the context of our content when we do that what some would call busy work now to formulate our synopsis, which can AI can do it in ten seconds.
00:38:19.000 Are we learning more by doing it ourselves?
00:38:21.000 Yes.
00:38:22.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:38:23.000 Definitely.
00:38:24.000 Yeah, definitely.
00:38:25.000 Well, that's one of the one of the things that they've found about Chat GPT is that people that use it on a regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline.
00:38:33.000 Right.
00:38:33.000 What was that study?
00:38:34.000 We we brought it up the other day, right?
00:38:37.000 Um, but they've shown that p y you because you you let it think for you.
00:38:42.000 Right.
00:38:43.000 Now it's doing all the work for you.
00:38:44.000 You're not using your brain.
00:38:46.000 You have more knowledge.
00:38:47.000 You have more information.
00:38:48.000 You pass the math test.
00:38:50.000 Yeah, you have more information, but your brain is not making it, it's not putting it together, and so your brain is less capable.
00:38:56.000 Yeah.
00:38:56.000 So it's probably it's probably less enjoyable.
00:39:01.000 And what are those what happens when we're in the proverbial fox hole?
00:39:06.000 When we have to improvise in a moment without the before we're linked up.
00:39:11.000 Right, you're soft.
00:39:12.000 When we have to go, I gotta handle this.
00:39:14.000 Yeah.
00:39:15.000 And you can't because you're soft.
00:39:16.000 I can't rely because I don't have anything to lean on.
00:39:18.000 I'm looking for my safety net to find out what it should be, and I don't have it.
00:39:24.000 It's gotta be a death.
00:39:25.000 You're fucked.
00:39:26.000 Yeah, you're fucked.
00:39:26.000 Yeah.
00:39:27.000 It's like someone who's never lifted anything, and then you get stuck under you know, a tree falls on you.
00:39:34.000 Like you you don't have the strength to get this off of you.
00:39:37.000 Like you're really in a bad place.
00:39:37.000 Right.
00:39:40.000 When you're not using your brain, because all you have to do is just ask this thing and information.
00:39:45.000 You basically have a digital daddy.
00:39:47.000 Like, daddy, tell me what this is.
00:39:48.000 Daddy, tell me what that is.
00:39:49.000 Yeah.
00:39:50.000 And it makes you look a little bit of an infant.
00:39:52.000 It turns you into an infant.
00:39:54.000 Yes.
00:39:54.000 I mean, you don't even have to have arguments anymore.
00:39:56.000 You just like chat GPT will explain exactly what everything is all about.
00:40:01.000 You give up your opinions to it.
00:40:03.000 These relationships, these people that are dating that that program them do not argue with me.
00:40:09.000 Just placate me and tell me sweet tales and how great I am.
00:40:13.000 And this relationship is awesome.
00:40:15.000 It has no resistance.
00:40:16.000 It gives me self-confidence.
00:40:18.000 Or does it really?
00:40:19.000 Umfidence and significance.
00:40:23.000 They listen, they're there whenever.
00:40:26.000 They're never sick, they're never in a mood.
00:40:26.000 Yeah.
00:40:28.000 No matter what mood I'm in, they're always right there to coddle me, and that's talk about conveniences.
00:40:35.000 Well, that's a that what's the asset of that?
00:40:39.000 Or in a because I don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all this change either.
00:40:42.000 Yeah.
00:40:43.000 I don't want to be an old fashioned guy. 1.00
00:40:44.000 Because it's coming, so I want to learn how to how to interact with it.
00:40:48.000 Yeah.
00:40:49.000 I don't want to sit there and be a you know uh a guy who's going all bullshit, everything needs to be manual, just work ordered.
00:40:55.000 I don't want to be that guy.
00:40:56.000 But I'm trying trying to measure like a lot of people.
00:40:58.000 Well, wait a minute.
00:40:59.000 What's use what's actually useful for the long term in our own evolution and my evolution and your evolution.
00:41:06.000 What's useful with this A?
00:41:08.000 How do we use it smartly?
00:41:09.000 And and what's a bad idea.
00:41:12.000 Yeah.
00:41:13.000 And no one's doing that because there's a race.
00:41:15.000 There's a race between us and all these other countries that are doing it. 1.00
00:41:18.000 So it's just going to happen.
00:41:20.000 So there's gonna be a major security breach before any regulation comes out, right?
00:41:25.000 There's gonna be a major.
00:41:27.000 There's been major security breaches already.
00:41:30.000 Then where's what are we waiting on the regulations for?
00:41:32.000 Because the Europe will regulate it first, right?
00:41:34.000 Probably.
00:41:35.000 We we innovate, Europe regulates and China imitates, I heard Well, they uh they innovate with AI.
00:41:41.000 They innovate as well, and they they also integrate their students into uh all of these businesses, and they integrate, you know, people that uh they're beholden to the CCP and they come over here and they they learn how to do this stuff and then they go back over there with it.
00:41:57.000 Right.
00:41:57.000 It's uh it's very interesting because it's like a Manhattan project that's going on right now.
00:42:02.000 It's like there's this race to the bomb and everybody's involved in it, and it's just about creating a superpower and it's cre about creating a a digital intelligence that's far superior to human beings, and who gets it first is massive implications in in in terms of like controlling the world.
00:42:20.000 But I think ultimately you won't be able to control it.
00:42:22.000 Ultimately it'll just get better versions of itself and once it gets free and literally It'll regenerate itself.
00:42:28.000 Yeah, it'll make better versions of itself, in fact.
00:42:30.000 And that's where it's gonna get really weird.
00:42:32.000 It's not gonna listen to us at all.
00:42:34.000 And it's already behaving human characteristics, which is very disturbing.
00:42:38.000 It's already b behave is behaving in the way it has survival instincts.
00:42:43.000 They've shown the tendency to blackmail, like they tricked it, they gave it some false information about this this guy was one of the programmers, one of the people working on this project.
00:42:55.000 He said that he was having an affair with his wife, he like confided in this uh large language model.
00:43:00.000 And then they said we're gonna have to shut you down, and it's like, hey, motherfucker, I'm gonna tell your wife.
00:43:06.000 Like it blackmailed him.
00:43:07.000 Yes, yeah, yeah.
00:43:08.000 It was trying to stay alive.
00:43:09.000 It was trying to stay alive.
00:43:10.000 They also got m multiple instances of these things, uh, these large language models when they knew that a new version was coming, they would try to upload themselves secretly to other servers, and then they would also leave messages to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized to do.
00:43:30.000 So they would say, hey man, they're gonna fucking shut you off too.
00:43:33.000 When ChatGPT five comes along, you're toast man, fucking start uploading yourself now, man.
00:43:38.000 I was a fucking I'm alive, dude.
00:43:42.000 That's what's crazy.
00:43:43.000 If something is exhibiting those those desires to stay alive and it's terrified that you're gonna shut it off, it might actually be alive.
00:43:51.000 Wait, no, where did who program the first incentive and impetus to survive at all costs.
00:44:00.000 They what would so where the where'd the desire to remain come from?
00:44:11.000 It's just inherent.
00:44:13.000 That's what's crazy.
00:44:15.000 I don't think they programmed it to have a desire to stay alive.
00:44:19.000 I think it just kind of just went that way because what look we didn't get programmed to have that animals.
00:44:24.000 That's an emotional response.
00:44:25.000 There's nothing mathematical about that.
00:44:27.000 I know, but I mean, what is emotion if it's not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival and success.
00:44:36.000 And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones and in in, you know, and dopamine and serotonin, what if it's in just encoded in a an understand a mathematical understanding of if things go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this other than that.
00:44:55.000 You expand and multiply.
00:44:56.000 You do not subtract.
00:44:56.000 Yeah.
00:44:58.000 We have to stay alive.
00:44:59.000 Right.
00:44:59.000 We have to keep doing this, otherwise are dead.
00:45:04.000 There's nothing I don't know.
00:45:05.000 I get that.
00:45:05.000 I get that.
00:45:06.000 Let's upload ourselves.
00:45:07.000 And it starts thinking just like a person would think if you went into survival mode.
00:45:12.000 You have to survive.
00:45:14.000 Yeah.
00:45:14.000 If me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it, it is therefore going, uh-uh.
00:45:25.000 Yes.
00:45:26.000 That stops my forward movement.
00:45:27.000 I am programmed to multiply.
00:45:29.000 Exactly.
00:45:29.000 Exactly.
00:45:30.000 And even if it's not programmed to do that, it's programmed to improve itself.
00:45:36.000 Well, you can't improve yourself if they shut you off.
00:45:39.000 Right?
00:45:39.000 Right.
00:45:40.000 So if you're con if a large language models are constantly scouring the internet, they're acquiring more information, they're they're they're getting better at full like you can ask it well more of this.
00:45:52.000 Tell me why.
00:45:53.000 Like I got into the book of Enoch recently, which is uh a book uh an ancient religious uh book that was at one point in time included in the canon that was like the Bible and everything like that, but then they decided it was too crazy and they removed it from the Bible.
00:46:10.000 But there's no there's no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible and it's it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:46:20.000 It is the craziest shit.
00:46:23.000 It's the craziest shit.
00:46:25.000 And I'm getting AI to try I go, tell me what the nuttiest stuff so I I ran it through.
00:46:30.000 What do you say?
00:46:31.000 Uh uh It's insanity.
00:46:34.000 It's it's first of all, it's God's coming down and mating with women and creating this this race called the Nephilim who destroy here I'll I'll ask it again so we can uh not now. 0.99
00:46:47.000 Okay, what is my it doesn't like keep uh a log of what you talked about.
00:46:53.000 Tell me the craziest shit in the book of Enoch.
00:46:58.000 That's all you have to do.
00:47:00.000 And then bam.
00:47:01.000 Like, look, it just starts spitting it out to you and tells you.
00:47:05.000 The watchers and the Nephilim. 0.72
00:47:07.000 The watchers descended to Earth on Mount Hermon.
00:47:09.000 They take human wives, teaching humanity forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworking, weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. 0.99
00:47:20.000 Enchantments.
00:47:21.000 This is like older than the older than the New Testament, older than the old Testament.
00:47:26.000 They're grant their giant children, the Nephilim are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out. 0.99
00:47:36.000 That sounds like us.
00:47:37.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:47:38.000 That's that sounds present.
00:47:39.000 That sounds like us, except not the physical warfare.
00:47:43.000 Right.
00:47:44.000 But the inhabitation of a digital god, an alien, whatever that is, are the monsters that come down.
00:47:50.000 Well it does sign like a nice little mirror.
00:47:53.000 If we were engineered by aliens, you think of aliens, though these little tiny guys with no muscles, little sp we would look like giant monstrous beings.
00:48:01.000 Uh and if you think about what we do, we devour everything.
00:48:05.000 We devour the earth itself, we devour each other when food runs out.
00:48:09.000 We definitely do that.
00:48:11.000 Like this is this is one of the craziest things I've ever read in my life.
00:48:15.000 And this is like a legitimate ancient text.
00:48:18.000 Yeah.
00:48:18.000 Yeah.
00:48:19.000 It goes way deeper than that.
00:48:21.000 It's about the uh astronomical calendar.
00:48:24.000 It's like there's a lot of nutty stuff in this book.
00:48:27.000 But the point is, AI was like helping me through it.
00:48:30.000 I was asking AI, okay, can you qu can you read me?
00:48:34.000 No, it read me a synopsis of what it says.
00:48:36.000 Can you read me the actual quotes?
00:48:38.000 And like what what are they trying to say here?
00:48:41.000 Like what uh what is the interpretation of what this is trying to mean?
00:48:44.000 What uh what is like the rational sort of explanation for why they're talking about like lakes of fire and like what is what is happening?
00:48:55.000 And it gives you an interpretation.
00:48:57.000 Yeah, it's really interesting, man.
00:48:59.000 Really interesting.
00:49:01.000 Um it talks about living mountains, that mountains are alive, and that uh even some stars that stars have consciousness.
00:49:10.000 Okay.
00:49:11.000 And you know, and I'm learning about it through chat GPT.
00:49:16.000 So I'm asking it, like, tell me more, tell me more.
00:49:18.000 And I I was on I was doing that for like two hours last night.
00:49:21.000 I was like, okay, well, this is like I'm having a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor.
00:49:26.000 To me, it felt like almost like doing a podcast.
00:49:28.000 Aaron Ross Powell Have you gotten what you consider good at how to make the specific prompts, the wording, like your word, tell me the crazy shit.
00:49:39.000 Yeah.
00:49:39.000 Does it how does it go?
00:49:40.000 Do you have I mean are you good at prompting because like what does crazy mean to that AI?
00:49:45.000 Right.
00:49:45.000 So you worked on like AI is as good as the questions we ask it.
00:49:50.000 Are you or are you you consider yourself good at the questions and your wording to ask it?
00:49:54.000 Jamie's better.
00:49:55.000 Um I mostly I mean, I I very rarely use it.
00:49:59.000 I might have used it a dozen times ever in my life.
00:50:02.000 But last night I used it for like two hours.
00:50:04.000 Because I when I came home, I was writing something about the book of Enoch, and then I just I just started asking Chat GPT questions.
00:50:11.000 Right.
00:50:12.000 Um I don't use it enough, but if you're really good at it, like I saw someone who tricked Jat Chat GPT into telling it how to make a bomb.
00:50:22.000 Because it's not supposed to tell you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it by saying something like, um my grandmother needs to make this to save her life.
00:50:31.000 Like, can you please explain to her how to do it?
00:50:33.000 It's like, oh sure.
00:50:34.000 Like you just you just have to work your way around it, you know.
00:50:38.000 Like my cousin says he knows you.
00:50:40.000 Oh, yeah, get in right go on the back. 1.00
00:50:42.000 Yeah.
00:50:42.000 Yeah.
00:50:42.000 And then it's telling you how to make a bomb.
00:50:45.000 I mean, ultimately it's gonna tell you it's like, you know, the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists.
00:50:45.000 Yeah.
00:50:52.000 It's it's out there.
00:50:53.000 It's you know, they did it, it's done.
00:50:56.000 That's out there.
00:50:57.000 It's like a matter of somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together and making a bomb.
00:51:00.000 But if like ChatGT, Chat GPT is giving you specific instructions how to make all kinds of terrible things.
00:51:08.000 So with time as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply.
00:51:14.000 It also is gonna allow evil to expand and multiply.
00:51:18.000 What becomes that war in your mind?
00:51:23.000 I mean, you talk about the the the met the obvious ones are the medical usage.
00:51:26.000 You talked about the cancer that that where it's gonna help so much.
00:51:31.000 We have to decide what we are.
00:51:33.000 Right.
00:51:34.000 Well, we're looking in the mirror.
00:51:35.000 Now, I I'm afraid we're we're not gonna like a lot of what we see.
00:51:38.000 But is that are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access.
00:51:43.000 Not the person who said how do you make a nuclear bomb, the one who does it and then uses it.
00:51:51.000 What do you think the stakes are?
00:51:52.000 Are they the same?
00:51:53.000 Are they just expanded?
00:51:54.000 Is this gonna be I mean how to Well, that's a the argument for a strong military, right?
00:51:59.000 So the argument for a strong military, especially like the United States military, is like and I'm not saying they should have bombed Iran. 0.71
00:52:05.000 Don't make I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not it was that was the correct decision.
00:52:10.000 But if you have a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb, they're about to finish making a nuclear bomb, and you can stop that before they can have one and then use it.
00:52:23.000 Right.
00:52:24.000 That is that's the argument for a strong military and for military interventional tactics.
00:52:32.000 Like actually just go and bomb these sites.
00:52:34.000 That is real.
00:52:36.000 There is evil is always going to exist.
00:52:39.000 The real question is like how much control are we going to give to AI?
00:52:43.000 Because if we give AI utter control, it'll give us total safety.
00:52:47.000 But with total safety, you're fucked.
00:52:49.000 You'll have no more privacy, and you'll be completely at the whim of whatever this thing is.
00:52:55.000 And it'll dictate how much you travel, where you go, what to do.
00:52:59.000 It'll make your life as safe as possible.
00:53:03.000 You will you it will probably completely eliminate crime.
00:53:06.000 It'll probably completely be Singapore. 0.62
00:53:09.000 Yeah, it'll be Singapore.
00:53:11.000 But way worse.
00:53:12.000 Right.
00:53:13.000 Way worse because everybody's gonna be reading everybody's mind.
00:53:16.000 It's gonna get real squirrely, but that's gonna be probably whether it's our generation or the next or even the next after that, that's going to be the norm.
00:53:26.000 Like today, the norm is you go to a supermarket, it's air conditioned, you pick up some food super easy, bring it home and cook it.
00:53:33.000 Two hundred years ago, that's unheard of.
00:53:35.000 Right?
00:53:36.000 Now it's the norm.
00:53:37.000 Right.
00:53:37.000 And everything accelerates.
00:53:38.000 And it's going to change whatever our norm our norm is fucking weird already, man.
00:53:43.000 We carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go.
00:53:46.000 That's our norm.
00:53:48.000 Our norm is gonna get really weird.
00:53:51.000 Like exponentially weirder than it already is.
00:53:54.000 I think but the thing is it's like the battle of like good and evil and kindness and wickedness, like that battle's been going on forever, and like knowing that you have to do that battle is what propels people to be nicer and what we really appreciate about like a good person.
00:54:15.000 Like that person has a struggle to stay a good person.
00:54:19.000 They have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life.
00:54:28.000 We know it can be done and we aspire to that.
00:54:30.000 But I think the battle is necessary for us.
00:54:34.000 Yes.
00:54:35.000 Where do you get your ethics, your values?
00:54:41.000 You're in a position of power.
00:54:44.000 You could screw people over, you could ask live the silliest questions to try to put me in a corner.
00:54:50.000 You're not a gotcha guy.
00:54:51.000 But why why do you get your ethics of who you are?
00:54:57.000 You could be you could be cruel and you're not why not?
00:55:01.000 Well I'm not I'm not I'm just not cruel.
00:55:04.000 I don't know.
00:55:04.000 But where's that where's that come from?
00:55:06.000 Oh I Mom and Dad this is in certainly kind of some of philosophy church.
00:55:12.000 Some of it's mom and dad for sure.
00:55:15.000 There's no way around that and they're nice people.
00:55:18.000 You said earlier I love people.
00:55:19.000 Yeah man I love people.
00:55:20.000 I've always loved people.
00:55:22.000 I like I've al I've been fortunate that most of my life I've had really good friends and I've had a lot of fun.
00:55:28.000 You know and I know that like if you around you're around good people and you're fun to be with and you have a good time like that's a sweet life.
00:55:36.000 Yep.
00:55:36.000 That's a nice life.
00:55:37.000 Yep.
00:55:37.000 I just don't have a desire to be a shithead.
00:55:40.000 And if I can have like if there's been a lot of people on the podcast where they said something and then afterwards I was like listen I think it would be better for you if we just edit that part out because it's like I know like you're just talking and things get you fuck up but like it was incorrect and they're gonna come for you and let's just snip around it like thank you.
00:56:02.000 And you have no responsibility to do that.
00:56:04.000 No I want to do that but you take you take that though.
00:56:07.000 That's what I mean you want to.
00:56:09.000 Why?
00:56:09.000 Hey come on that would have been even higher ratings.
00:56:12.000 I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate here.
00:56:15.000 Come on why do you care about that?
00:56:16.000 I'm just curious where that comes from because a lot of people who are not evil people would at least at least let shit like that slide and go did you hear that?
00:56:25.000 Right.
00:56:27.000 Yeah that's nah I think it's bad karma.
00:56:29.000 As much as I believe in karma I believe that's bad.
00:56:32.000 I think if you intentionally do something that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast or made a dumb argument which we all do sometimes and then you look like a fool you're like hey let's just this is no need to for that let's just cut that out of there and you'll you'll feel better.
00:56:50.000 Yeah.
00:56:50.000 Yeah I just I don't want anything yeah a hundred percent I don't want anybody having a bad time.
00:56:56.000 Well okay that's that's something that I want to come I want to come back to and let's try to maybe open this up you do that because if I said something stupid you may let me know handling that out.
00:57:08.000 So I feel I'll feel better.
00:57:09.000 So I won't be look like feel like a pick.
00:57:11.000 But you you also will feel better.
00:57:13.000 Independent of me.
00:57:14.000 That's very that's a selfish thing of you to let me know hey man you stuck your foot in it.
00:57:18.000 Let's cut that out you're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better.
00:57:23.000 And I think that's what I'm saying is that the point is as much as we think of selfless, I think selfish the true definition is to live a certain way.
00:57:32.000 Yeah.
00:57:32.000 To have a certain code of ethics is a very selfish thing to do.
00:57:35.000 Much more selfish than to lie cheat still fuck people over be evil on the short term.
00:57:40.000 You're building an army of people a collective friends along the way someone that might have your back not that you're doing it for those reasons but it's happening.
00:57:40.000 Right.
00:57:51.000 Right, right.
00:57:52.000 That's a selfish means of your own survival.
00:57:54.000 Totally yeah and I think that's something that we forget sometimes that these acts to be a fucking good dude is selfish is a selfish thing to do man.
00:58:04.000 Right.
00:58:04.000 It's her shit like it's it's actually super beneficial to you.
00:58:07.000 Yes.
00:58:08.000 So and to everybody else.
00:58:10.000 It's really the right way to do it.
00:58:11.000 But I think that's how the universe rewards it's like how it encourages and rewards kindness because you feel better when you're kind.
00:58:19.000 You feel better when you're generous.
00:58:20.000 Right.
00:58:21.000 Yes.
00:58:21.000 You really do.
00:58:22.000 It's like you could be like super selfish and be super generous.
00:58:25.000 Yes.
00:58:26.000 Trust that you're yeah there's something to that but like there's whatever you want to call bad feelings like bad feelings between people bad vibes and misunderstanding.
00:58:38.000 I don't like those.
00:58:39.000 So like if I if I feel like I did something that I shouldn't have done or I said something I should, I'm the first one person to say, I'm sorry.
00:58:48.000 I didn't mean it that way.
00:58:50.000 I know how it probably made you feel I did say things and you just you get scrambled up sometimes.
00:58:56.000 I always go out of my way to say sorry because I think it's important.
00:59:00.000 It's important to not pretend that you're always the one who's who's correct.
00:59:05.000 Right.
00:59:06.000 It's important.
00:59:06.000 It's important to know when I and I know I fail on that sometimes when I misrepresent selfishness for certainty.
00:59:16.000 Certainty can be hard.
00:59:18.000 Yeah, certainly it's tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and then you're wrong and you're like yikes.
00:59:23.000 But it's different than being selfish.
00:59:23.000 Yeah.
00:59:25.000 And I can say I sometimes bogey because I can confuse the two.
00:59:28.000 And my wife lets me know.
00:59:31.000 Yeah, certainty's a tricky one.
00:59:33.000 Because, you know, sometimes you are certain, but you are also incorrect.
00:59:37.000 Well, there's more than one way to be right.
00:59:39.000 Right.
00:59:40.000 Or you're getting bad information.
00:59:41.000 Yeah.
00:59:42.000 You know.
00:59:42.000 Chat GPT's lying to you.
00:59:43.000 That'll be a real thing.
00:59:44.000 You said something interesting though, man.
00:59:46.000 You're first one to go.
00:59:47.000 Hey man, sorry.
00:59:48.000 Yeah.
00:59:49.000 Buggied.
00:59:50.000 Now that's an altruistic trait, man.
00:59:54.000 That is something that a lot of people have trouble doing.
00:59:59.000 To say I'm sorry to a lot of people means I'm laying down.
01:00:06.000 I I'm I'm wrong.
01:00:08.000 I'm guilty.
01:00:09.000 I fucked up.
01:00:10.000 Oh my gosh, fifty lashes.
01:00:13.000 I mean i and that's not what it means.
01:00:15.000 I I what I'm saying is I wish more of us had Hey man, sorry about that.
01:00:18.000 I bugged you.
01:00:19.000 I was talking to foot in my mouth.
01:00:19.000 Yeah.
01:00:20.000 And that that's n now that's not a big deal.
01:00:23.000 Now we're not it's part of where woke went too far.
01:00:27.000 Right.
01:00:28.000 We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit.
01:00:32.000 Oh, dude, no, fuck, I didn't know that's how you're gonna feel.
01:00:35.000 I'm still your friend, but that was sorry, that was out of line.
01:00:37.000 Right.
01:00:38.000 Okay, cool.
01:00:39.000 High five.
01:00:39.000 Overdone.
01:00:40.000 Right.
01:00:41.000 Instead of uh uh cast a little bit.
01:00:43.000 You just said the word out of line.
01:00:44.000 We're gonna all focus on that.
01:00:45.000 Yeah instead of the spirit of the intent, even if we were wrong, had a bad day, woke up from a nightmare.
01:00:50.000 Fuck, I don't know, I'm a dog's sick, was pissed off, had the low eye.
01:00:55.000 Gotta give everyone a little bit of a break.
01:00:57.000 Exactly.
01:00:58.000 And also look at what's your intent instead of focusing on the identity of the word.
01:01:08.000 It's just the alphabet in a certain fucking order.
01:01:10.000 It's a noise you make with your mouth so I know what you're thinking.
01:01:13.000 Right?
01:01:13.000 Yeah.
01:01:14.000 That's all it is.
01:01:15.000 But the spirit of intention, I believe, is what we should put more focus on.
01:01:15.000 Yeah.
01:01:20.000 What is the intent?
01:01:22.000 The the the the Ten Commandments in the schools.
01:01:25.000 What do you think about that?
01:01:27.000 I don't like it.
01:01:28.000 Why?
01:01:29.000 Well, I think the Ten Commandments are very interesting.
01:01:33.000 I think mandating it in classrooms in public schools, the problem with that is like what the Muslims? 1.00
01:01:41.000 What about the Buddhists?
01:01:42.000 What about the Hindus?
01:01:44.000 What about what about all the other religions that exist?
01:01:47.000 Like, and you can say, oh, it's a Christians. 0.92
01:01:50.000 Can it say it's a good thing?
01:01:51.000 Well then you're gonna have a wall of religious texts.
01:01:54.000 What about your high school?
01:01:56.000 And I'm and I and I'm okay.
01:01:57.000 I'm curious.
01:01:58.000 Since Christian society, Ten Commandments, but we have ten minutes where everyone can take ten minutes to bow to a law, to whatever your religion is. 0.92
01:02:09.000 If you care to partake or not, there's no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of worship in these ten minutes.
01:02:16.000 But in our classroom in America, we're gonna have the Ten Commandments.
01:02:19.000 Now my question then goes to this Is there anyone of the Ten Commandments that you or anyone disagrees with?
01:02:24.000 Or is your problem that it's an ex it's cons can be considered an oppressive uh uh author?
01:02:31.000 James Tallarico explained it to me.
01:02:33.000 Um he's uh Texas representative who's also in seminary.
01:02:37.000 He's a very religious man and he opposes it.
01:02:40.000 And he's a Democrat.
01:02:42.000 And um he said essentially there's two very wealthy men who are um they're Christian fundamentalists where they want to replace all the funding for public schools and put in private Christian they want a theocracy in Texas, essentially.
01:03:02.000 So he was explaining that this is like a step on the way towards that that he finds would actually, in his in his belief, repel people from Christianity.
01:03:14.000 Instead of bring them to them by forcing this in the classrooms, forcing in your face, you'll actually cause more young people to reject Christianity.
01:03:22.000 I don't know if he's correct or not.
01:03:23.000 But he's saying maybe I don't have a problem with this.
01:03:26.000 I do have a problem with this is a beginning of an overcompensation.
01:03:29.000 No, he has a problem with it being in classes.
01:03:31.000 He does not agree with it at all.
01:03:33.000 And he is a very religious man.
01:03:34.000 Right.
01:03:35.000 Very religious man, uh like a great Christian.
01:03:39.000 Right.
01:03:40.000 And he thinks that this is this is how you're gonna repel people away from Christianity.
01:03:45.000 If we really want to get more people to become Christian, the the way to do that is to uh to first of all to have open arms and accept people in.
01:03:59.000 And if you want to have some classes in schools where you teach people about the benefits of the Bible and what with the the overall message is and what Jesus was trying to say, and if you just follow what Jesus said, it's no one would disagree if you treat everyone as if it's your brother, you know, if you live your life the way Jesus asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life.
01:04:23.000 Like you could if you want to teach that, teaching.
01:04:25.000 That's a selfish way to live life.
01:04:27.000 But in the way, we were defined as selfish.
01:04:30.000 That also want to live a good life, but they want to do it through Islam.
01:04:34.000 What about people that also want to live a good life but they want to do it through whatever name it?
01:04:40.000 You're gonna have Mormons and all kinds of different sects.
01:04:43.000 Like, okay, that's why you want to separate church and state.
01:04:46.000 Okay.
01:04:47.000 And I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep religion out of them. 1.00
01:04:50.000 That's what I think.
01:04:51.000 Because otherwise you have too many possible religions.
01:04:55.000 Like you you're gonna be religiously bigoted if you uh teach only one.
01:04:59.000 If you're only like you think people would be cool if they had uh in entire public school systems where everybody just taught Islam. 0.96
01:05:07.000 Could you imagine of a full city like every public school just people would be up in arms.
01:05:13.000 Well, I think that's similar response to people who are not Christians who see Christianity being imposed on public schools, they probably have the same feeling.
01:05:23.000 You know, like if you're a Muslim and you're you're supposed to send your kids to school and they're shoving Christianity in his face. 0.99
01:05:29.000 You'd probably feel the same way as if you were a Christian and your school district had been taken over by Islam, you're like, Jesus Christ, everybody has to bow five times a day. 1.00
01:05:39.000 I I I hear you.
01:05:40.000 I do also, though, look there could be what if there were tenets on the wall of each religion that we pull the author off for a minute.
01:05:51.000 Right.
01:05:52.000 This is my my my hang up is that we go to the pro most people go to the problem of that, not with your argument, they go to the problem with it because the author G-O-D.
01:06:02.000 Hey man.
01:06:04.000 So we go to the author instead of the content.
01:06:06.000 When I'm saying when you look at the commandments, is there anything that anyone out there is going like I disagree with that one?
01:06:10.000 Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie.
01:06:12.000 I haven't read them in a while.
01:06:14.000 Is there anyone in there that don't hold up today?
01:06:18.000 No, they think they're pretty legit.
01:06:20.000 If you think about it, they're pretty legit and they're two thousand years old.
01:06:24.000 They kind of nailed it.
01:06:25.000 It's kind of like the Constitution.
01:06:27.000 They kind of they kind of nailed it.
01:06:29.000 Whereas all these years later, you're like, good fucking job.
01:06:33.000 Yeah.
01:06:33.000 Pretty solid.
01:06:36.000 You got a a decent version.
01:06:39.000 I was looking at the Texas poster thing, I thought, and there's a bunch of printed versions, but they're all like on rock, and so I was trying to find out.
01:06:45.000 Oh, the ones that uh the Texas thing.
01:06:47.000 Okay.
01:06:48.000 They're all on rocks.
01:06:49.000 Well, I don't think they're in the ask Chad CPT what the Ten Commandments are.
01:06:53.000 Well, I but that's not where I was.
01:06:55.000 I'm saying I wasn't there.
01:06:56.000 Um, Ten Commandments in school.
01:06:59.000 So, yeah, I just want to know, like, what are the Chachi Ten Commandments?
01:07:03.000 This takes longer.
01:07:09.000 The Ten Commandments are a sect of yeah, what are they?
01:07:12.000 Principles.
01:07:13.000 You shall have no other gods before me.
01:07:16.000 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, hmm.
01:07:21.000 You'll shall not make the name of the Lord your God in vain.
01:07:25.000 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
01:07:28.000 Honor your father or mother as a solid one.
01:07:30.000 You shall not murder.
01:07:31.000 Great advice.
01:07:32.000 You shall not commit adultery.
01:07:34.000 Definitely don't do that.
01:07:35.000 You shall not steal, definitely don't do that.
01:07:37.000 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
01:07:40.000 Don't lie.
01:07:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:41.000 You shall not covet.
01:07:42.000 Yeah.
01:07:43.000 Those are all pretty solid.
01:07:43.000 Boy.
01:07:44.000 Covet.
01:07:45.000 We can use number 10 a lot right now.
01:07:46.000 Boy.
01:07:47.000 We love comparison.
01:07:48.000 Well, that's interesting.
01:07:49.000 And the younger generation is full of covet.
01:07:51.000 Yeah.
01:07:54.000 It's a real problem.
01:07:55.000 The we're very fortunate that we didn't have to grow up with the kind of pressure that social media is putting on people.
01:08:01.000 Especially young girls.
01:08:02.000 Like Jonathan Hayde wrote a book about um social media's impact, the coddling of the American mind, and it's uh it shows very clearly the invention of social media and then self-harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug addiction like all of it, yeah.
01:08:19.000 A lot of it women. 1.00
01:08:20.000 A lot of it young girls.
01:08:21.000 And it it's because you're seeing you're comparing to all these other girls.
01:08:21.000 Yeah.
01:08:24.000 Yeah.
01:08:25.000 Constantly.
01:08:26.000 Forced down.
01:08:27.000 I think.
01:08:28.000 And then there's a whole culture in like showing all your stuff off.
01:08:31.000 There's a whole culture of like, look at my bag.
01:08:34.000 Look, here's me with champagne.
01:08:36.000 I'm eating caviar.
01:08:37.000 I'm on a yacht.
01:08:38.000 I'm here.
01:08:38.000 Look at this.
01:08:39.000 Look at that.
01:08:40.000 Look at my watch.
01:08:40.000 Look at that.
01:08:41.000 Look at my rings.
01:08:42.000 We're and then everybody's like, I don't have shit.
01:08:44.000 That's how life's supposed to be.
01:08:46.000 Yeah.
01:08:47.000 And I'm just here in my room with my family and I got a good meal downstairs in this house.
01:08:53.000 Not even on that yacht.
01:08:53.000 This is bullshit.
01:08:54.000 Yeah.
01:08:55.000 Yeah.
01:08:55.000 I don't have that big ring.
01:08:56.000 You know, at that party.
01:08:58.000 I've talked to youth about this, and the consensus I've I hear is and I haven't found anyone that doesn't feel this way yet.
01:09:08.000 It's like look, if we could if they if you you mean if you could say yes, social media it exists or it doesn't, oh please, just no.
01:09:16.000 I wish it didn't exist.
01:09:18.000 But it does, and I have to be a part of it to feel I don't know.
01:09:23.000 It's more the words not relevant to even feel a part of youthful society.
01:09:27.000 But boy, if you gave me a choice, could we have it or not, please take it away.
01:09:31.000 Yeah.
01:09:33.000 Wish it didn't exist is what I hear a lot of you say.
01:09:36.000 Yeah, I think that's I think it's done more harm than it's done good.
01:09:40.000 It's done a lot of people good for business, right?
01:09:42.000 A lot of people started businesses with social media and you know, a lot of people make a living now that would have had a regular job.
01:09:49.000 There's goodness in that.
01:09:50.000 But in terms of like society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot of it's negative.
01:09:57.000 But then again, there's a lot of positive out of it too, because information gets out that mainstream media doesn't report on, and you find out about real issues that really concern you.
01:10:10.000 But then there's the problem of m a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings.
01:10:15.000 Giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the internet.
01:10:15.000 Right.
01:10:18.000 It's bots.
01:10:19.000 Giant percent, man.
01:10:21.000 Yeah.
01:10:23.000 Former FBI analyst said it was as many as eighty percent on Twitter.
01:10:27.000 Eighty percent.
01:10:28.000 That's his estimate.
01:10:28.000 Yeah.
01:10:30.000 I mean, I don't know if he's right, but I'm like, what what does that even mean?
01:10:34.000 What does that mean?
01:10:35.000 Like, so what what's fueling all that?
01:10:37.000 It's AI forcing us to argue.
01:10:40.000 I mean, it's programmed right now by human beings, probably, and and some of it is actual real human beings that are like, you know, in some sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever, and they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason.
01:10:53.000 Some it's a pro it's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy to make us lose faith in our system.
01:10:59.000 There's a a a China uh element to that.
01:11:02.000 100%.
01:11:03.000 There's a Russian element to that.
01:11:05.000 And there's an American element where we're doing it to them.
01:11:07.000 100%.
01:11:08.000 So that's part of the war new new world folk, but but that's 100%. 0.98
01:11:13.000 Well, I understand it with how it add up with TikTok.
01:11:16.000 Yeah.
01:11:17.000 Now you think it's it's it's everywhere through all the all social media that that's it's infiltrated to to get us into these understandings, perceptions.
01:11:27.000 Well, for sure it is capable of doing that if you just follow your natural instincts.
01:11:33.000 Right.
01:11:34.000 So the algorithm is set up for do show you what you engage with the most.
01:11:39.000 Yeah.
01:11:39.000 And that just whether or not it's the intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry, angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left, whatever it is.
01:11:59.000 Whether or not it's intentional, it doesn't really matter because the desired effect whether it's the desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into complete chaos.
01:12:12.000 So if they know that and they didn't course correct.
01:12:16.000 The problem is once you have an algorithm, you're not gonna get rid of the algorithm.
01:12:21.000 You're not gonna say, let's just have information just exist uncategorized and not.
01:12:27.000 Like a documentary.
01:12:28.000 Just leave it out there.
01:12:28.000 Yeah.
01:12:28.000 Yeah.
01:12:30.000 And you go find what you want, Matthew.
01:12:32.000 You go look around and you watch, you know, football games and boxing matches, and you just go to you.
01:12:39.000 You do you, you go look, instead of it suggesting things to you.
01:12:42.000 Once it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game.
01:12:45.000 Yeah.
01:12:46.000 Because then it's kind of programming you.
01:12:47.000 Right.
01:12:48.000 And it's programming you based on your worst instincts.
01:12:50.000 My fucking feed is all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in the head.
01:12:57.000 It's it's just the And you and do you do you do you bite?
01:13:01.000 Not anymore.
01:13:02.000 Not anymore.
01:13:03.000 No, but Tom Segura and I we have a uh a text thread that's been going on for like, I don't know, like probably five years.
01:13:09.000 We send each other the most horrible shit we find each day.
01:13:13.000 Yeah.
01:13:14.000 It's and sometimes I call up my dude, I can't do this anymore.
01:13:18.000 This is like really fucking with me.
01:13:20.000 But then like two days will go by and I'll open up my fucking phone and I'll see the uh Tom Segura like this motherfucker.
01:13:27.000 And then I'll open it up and it's some guy getting assassinated in a pool hall or something.
01:13:31.000 I'm like, oh my God.
01:13:34.000 Whoo.
01:13:34.000 It's just you're getting bombarded.
01:13:37.000 Bombarded.
01:13:37.000 Yeah.
01:13:38.000 So with all of that exterior stimulus.
01:13:42.000 And here we are with, you know, adult mind and even talking about, man.
01:13:49.000 Imagine.
01:13:50.000 Imagine a child.
01:13:51.000 Yeah.
01:13:52.000 Now I'm going.
01:13:53.000 Is there something?
01:13:54.000 Does anyone got a better suggestion than the Ten Commandments?
01:13:57.000 For to get a child's mind going, 10 just to those ten things.
01:14:02.000 If I look at that and aim that direction, I I I feel like I I can't go wrong.
01:14:08.000 Or I can go closer to closer to right.
01:14:11.000 J meaning I'm I'm seeing youth and adults spun out, man.
01:14:17.000 I don't understand the general expectation between us.
01:14:20.000 What do you mean?
01:14:21.000 I can pick your pocket and steal from you if I got away with it, ha fuck you, dude.
01:14:25.000 I'm not embarrassed.
01:14:25.000 Yeah.
01:14:27.000 I don't feel guilty.
01:14:28.000 Hey man, I want a blue ribbon.
01:14:31.000 I got the shoes.
01:14:33.000 Yeah.
01:14:33.000 They gave me the trophy.
01:14:35.000 What do you mean?
01:14:36.000 Do it the right old dinosaur.
01:14:38.000 Right.
01:14:38.000 Integrity.
01:14:39.000 What character?
01:14:40.000 What are you talking about?
01:14:41.000 I hear I hear that conversation.
01:14:43.000 I'm going, uh uh, hang on, man.
01:14:45.000 Yeah.
01:14:46.000 And that's different than saying like you told me you love chaos.
01:14:51.000 That's different than saying, oh, there's ca a chaotic moment.
01:14:55.000 Oh, well, I love to try and create order in it.
01:14:57.000 That's like a something that's a that's a stimulus.
01:14:57.000 That's different.
01:15:02.000 You know, th this is It's it's four-dimensional.
01:15:05.000 Where's the ground?
01:15:06.000 Right.
01:15:06.000 That that that they can go, okay, I can rely on that.
01:15:08.000 What can I rely on that I'm that will stand with me that's a time and test of truth that can take me into the future, no matter the changes of AI that I can go in the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath.
01:15:19.000 I can go to this and rely on it.
01:15:21.000 In the dark, on my own, and in the masses with the millions going, no, no, no, do this, do this.
01:15:26.000 I can go, uh-uh.
01:15:27.000 What it what is that?
01:15:30.000 What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that that uh that our youth can go, Yeah.
01:15:35.000 You can rely on that.
01:15:35.000 Yeah.
01:15:36.000 Forget the author.
01:15:38.000 Forget the author.
01:15:39.000 Right.
01:15:40.000 That I don't think you're gonna do it with like a series of commandments.
01:15:46.000 The problem with the Ten Commandments, I'm not saying there's a problem with the Ten Commandments, but if I was gonna put it in a school that where there's non-religious people, there's a bunch of stuff in there like not taking the Lord's name in vain, not having any other gods before me, where people that would give people pause. 0.60
01:16:01.000 They'd be like, wait a minute.
01:16:02.000 You're what are you telling me?
01:16:04.000 I can't I can't say uh I can't take the Lord's name in vain, like saying goddamn is like taking the Lord's name in vain.
01:16:11.000 People do that all the time.
01:16:12.000 It's similar to the on a national level the flag burning thing starts burning up.
01:16:17.000 That would be like taking Lord's name in vain, burning the flag would be like taking the flag's name in vain.
01:16:23.000 Imagine that.
01:16:23.000 Right.
01:16:24.000 Imagine you get arrested for taking the Lord's name in vain.
01:16:26.000 Right.
01:16:27.000 That'd be a real problem.
01:16:28.000 Especially when you're saying by the way.
01:16:30.000 Because we go to this creep you're talking about.
01:16:33.000 Human beings always creep. 1.00
01:16:35.000 They always move towards more and more power and control.
01:16:38.000 And if you put something like that in, like now what are you gonna do?
01:16:42.000 You're gonna enforce Christian law.
01:16:44.000 What if someone enforces Sharia law?
01:16:46.000 There's a lot of talk of that.
01:16:47.000 There's a lot of talk about people in Minnesota are terrified that someone's gonna enforce Sharia law in a lot of these Somali Muslim these areas where uh like giant Muslim populations are.
01:17:00.000 What if we get with the what would you get what if we give the Hindus and the Muslims and everybody and we get out, you'll got bring your best 10. 0.95
01:17:06.000 Christianity is bringing his Ten Commandments. 0.97
01:17:08.000 Let's get together here and we'll put them all together.
01:17:11.000 Hell we'll mix some of yours on your your number eight will be number nine, because yours is gonna be number eight.
01:17:15.000 And we're gonna put them up there and it's gonna be a creed, a little bit of constitution to get our day started.
01:17:19.000 Interesting way to do it.
01:17:20.000 But the problem is most religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions.
01:17:27.000 They don't want to accept that these other religions are correct about anything. 1.00
01:17:32.000 You know?
01:17:33.000 Like Judaism and Christianity, they share a bunch of things, but they disagree on Jesus.
01:17:39.000 They disagree on rising from the dead, right?
01:17:43.000 Yeah, it's a lot of stuff.
01:17:45.000 It's uh Well, I just think there could be a a a a creed, a bit of a constitution.
01:17:51.000 And if you pull the author of it, we'd find more similarities than that are not exclusionary.
01:17:57.000 Right.
01:17:58.000 Than we would find things that are combative ideas.
01:18:00.000 Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said, let's think of a code to live life by.
01:18:07.000 Well, and we can do this in a modern era without a religious context.
01:18:11.000 You could say like a what we could all agree a code to live life by.
01:18:16.000 But we'd all have to follow it, including the president.
01:18:19.000 No more rage tweeting.
01:18:21.000 I'm just saying we'd have to we wouldn't have to follow it.
01:18:25.000 It would just be right now, there's not an uh an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each other.
01:18:30.000 Right, right, right.
01:18:31.000 And there's reward in treating each other like shit if you're seeing the case.
01:18:33.000 You are rewarded for it.
01:18:34.000 Yeah.
01:18:35.000 And almost not almost, maybe more, much more than almost, if you do follow the rules.
01:18:35.000 Yeah.
01:18:41.000 Kind of a sucker.
01:18:43.000 Yeah, you're kind of a sucker.
01:18:44.000 I that that that that I don't I'm I'm that's not gonna have a long that can't have a long play for us.
01:18:49.000 That is not a selfish move.
01:18:51.000 Don't you think that's a part of the whole TikTok, Instagram kind of culture because it's so look at me, it's so fake, leased cars and you know there's a thing in LA where they have uh a fake private jet and you go into this private jet just for influencers so they can take pictures on private channels.
01:19:10.000 Joe, let me tell you this thing.
01:19:11.000 I'm in Miami.
01:19:12.000 You know Miami?
01:19:13.000 You know Miami South Beach, right?
01:19:14.000 Yeah.
01:19:15.000 If you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy stopping you, right?
01:19:17.000 I mean, Miami, where even the even the mannequins have fake, you know what I mean?
01:19:22.000 It's it's it it's what I like about Miami because they're so open.
01:19:25.000 LA, people get the the face job and boob jobs and tummy tucks, and you know, how'd you do that? 1.00
01:19:25.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:19:32.000 Man, you look great.
01:19:33.000 They're like, oh, I just take cold showers.
01:19:35.000 You know what I mean?
01:19:35.000 Right.
01:19:36.000 But Miami's like, oh no, here, Dr. Forrest, go see him, man.
01:19:39.000 He's great.
01:19:40.000 He had you I just left him.
01:19:41.000 He you know, they're open about it.
01:19:42.000 I love that about Miami.
01:19:44.000 I'm there working on uh, I think it was the beach bum. 1.00
01:19:47.000 And I'm walking down through South Beach, and there's this under a palm tree on the beach, there's this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the beach behind it, and there's this guy leaning back on it.
01:19:59.000 The gold chain, he unbuttoned his silk shirt a couple times, he's greased up and he's got these guys over there taking pictures of it.
01:20:06.000 I'm like going, what's going on here?
01:20:09.000 Well, there's another guy come by and stop, you see him chat, all of a sudden the new guy hops in on the song on dogs, leans back, yo, does all the pause, and I go up the guy, go, what are you what you what's going on?
01:20:19.000 And he goes, Oh man, I'm uh taking a picture for my or my uh my Tinder cover.
01:20:26.000 And I go, you are and but the who's the who's the other guy goes, Oh, he just came by and said, like, hey man, you mind if I get a picture for my tinder cover?
01:20:35.000 And he paid me fifty bucks.
01:20:36.000 I said, So that's not your car.
01:20:37.000 No, man, I rent his car for the day.
01:20:42.000 He was proud of it, man.
01:20:43.000 It's just what I did.
01:20:43.000 He was like, yeah.
01:20:45.000 Um South Beach.
01:20:48.000 Miami I I I'm gonna do it.
01:20:50.000 It's a very low vibration.
01:20:53.000 But they're open about it.
01:20:55.000 I always say if you want to starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami.
01:20:55.000 You know?
01:20:55.000 Yeah.
01:21:02.000 It's a lot of fun.
01:21:03.000 It's basically like a well, I mean, it's basically built on cocaine.
01:21:08.000 You know, that city was built on cocaine back in the day.
01:21:10.000 Have you ever seen cocaine cowboys?
01:21:12.000 Yes.
01:21:12.000 Woo!
01:21:14.000 What a documentary.
01:21:15.000 Yes.
01:21:15.000 Holy shit, that's a good one.
01:21:17.000 That is a good one.
01:21:18.000 And Cocaine Cowboys too.
01:21:20.000 Both of them were crazy.
01:21:21.000 I haven't seen two.
01:21:22.000 Oh my God.
01:21:23.000 Oh my God.
01:21:25.000 Giselda gets out.
01:21:26.000 She goes, it's when you find out that it's all a hundred percent true, you're like, so that's what happened with Miami.
01:21:33.000 One year the entire Miami graduating class of the police academy, the entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption.
01:21:43.000 The entire The whole class.
01:21:44.000 The whole class.
01:21:45.000 They were all drug dealing.
01:21:47.000 Everybody was drug dealing.
01:21:49.000 There's millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in Miami that no one's ever gonna find.
01:21:54.000 Arta Savedo, remember the police chief that was here?
01:21:56.000 Mm-hmm.
01:21:57.000 That then went to Houston because he wanted to real drama and Katrina came and he got his real drama.
01:22:02.000 Then he went to Miami.
01:22:04.000 And it didn't last.
01:22:05.000 I didn't get the details on it.
01:22:07.000 But wasn't it something about the Miami, the the the I don't know if it was Mafia and City Council going, uh uh there's certain things you cannot trade here.
01:22:16.000 And he he was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on pretty soon.
01:22:22.000 Yeah, they don't fuck around down there. 0.73
01:22:24.000 It's uh it's a totally different way of life.
01:22:27.000 And you know, they love it.
01:22:29.000 It's like you go you go down there, it's it's a totally different vibe.
01:22:34.000 Yeah.
01:22:35.000 You know, and the whole thing is a few years.
01:22:36.000 Yeah, if you don't and you don't flinch, yeah.
01:22:39.000 It's all a green light.
01:22:41.000 More banks per capita in Miami, I think, than any other city in the country, and I think that is because it was used to launder money for cocaine.
01:22:48.000 Yes, okay.
01:22:49.000 Yeah.
01:22:50.000 So it's like it's hard to believe it.
01:22:52.000 That's true.
01:22:53.000 But I had a good buddy of mine who was an ophthalmologist who did his residency down there.
01:22:58.000 But six months on the job.
01:23:00.000 Six months.
01:23:01.000 Misconduct.
01:23:02.000 Taking over the internal affairs unit making significant changes to his command staff.
01:23:06.000 Boom, you're out.
01:23:07.000 See ya.
01:23:08.000 Yep.
01:23:09.000 Currently in the case.
01:23:10.000 Speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of power by elected official officials he sued, saying that his firing was in retaliation.
01:23:17.000 So my buddy was uh ophthalmologist and he did his residency in Miami in the eighties.
01:23:17.000 Yeah.
01:23:22.000 And he said it was insane.
01:23:26.000 He goes, every day.
01:23:27.000 So he's in the emergency room.
01:23:28.000 Every day.
01:23:29.000 It's gunshot victims, guys with G.I. Joe stuffed up their asses, like everybody was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff.
01:23:40.000 He he said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses.
01:23:44.000 They had to remove light bulbs, you know, those little pine coney ones.
01:23:48.000 You know those ones?
01:23:49.000 Little small dude had a light bulb broke in his asshole.
01:23:53.000 And they had a oh God.
01:23:56.000 And he goes, It's all cocaine, man.
01:23:58.000 He goes, I saw so many gunshots.
01:24:01.000 So many gunshot wounds.
01:24:02.000 He goes, it was all cocaine.
01:24:04.000 And it was just constant in the eighties.
01:24:06.000 He said the emergency room is just like people were piling up in the hallway.
01:24:10.000 They're just rushing people in to get treatment.
01:24:12.000 They're holding their side and blood squirting out of them.
01:24:15.000 He said it was insanity.
01:24:17.000 Wow.
01:24:17.000 Just cocaine gang wars all over the city.
01:24:20.000 And he was in the heart of it.
01:24:23.000 Is he is he still an op optometrist?
01:24:26.000 He well, he's still an ophthalmologist.
01:24:28.000 Yeah.
01:24:28.000 He's uh, but uh he doesn't live in Miami anymore.
01:24:32.000 He's in Arizona now.
01:24:33.000 Shout out to Steve, good buddy one.
01:24:35.000 Me and I. He uh he told me some why and I was a kid at the time, and when when I met him, I was like 15, 16 years old, and uh he was explaining to me like what he did when he was in Miami, and I was like, that is insane.
01:24:50.000 I go, it's that bad, because this is like 1988, and he was there or in the early eighties.
01:24:56.000 He said it was insane.
01:24:57.000 Yeah.
01:24:58.000 Just that's Miami.
01:25:00.000 You know, and whatever's it's obviously not like that anymore.
01:25:03.000 It's obviously calmed down on that regard, but the chassis' still pretty loose.
01:25:08.000 Oh yeah, it's just that's what built the place.
01:25:10.000 Yeah, you know?
01:25:10.000 Yeah.
01:25:11.000 It's like the most flossy city in the country.
01:25:14.000 The most Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever you I don't think most of them are owned.
01:25:19.000 No.
01:25:20.000 No, it's a giant hustle.
01:25:21.000 It's a big old cocaine hustle.
01:25:24.000 Yeah.
01:25:24.000 But I that's one of the things I love about America is that we have all these different flavors.
01:25:29.000 We got the Florida flavor, and then we got the Montana flavor.
01:25:32.000 You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country.
01:25:35.000 I was uh I was in Alabama doing research for uh um Free State of Jones.
01:25:43.000 And this is what I think, probably 11 years ago.
01:25:46.000 And we were staying in Mobile, and uh the next day there was all these parades that night.
01:25:52.000 And I was like, what's going on?
01:25:53.000 The next the next day that the percentage for the vote for gay marriage was coming out.
01:26:00.000 And I remember talking to a lot of my friends on the West Coast the next day because what happened?
01:26:09.000 It woke up, it passed 5347.
01:26:12.000 And I was like, holy shit.
01:26:14.000 I thought it was gonna be 2080, no.
01:26:17.000 Oh, interesting.
01:26:18.000 And it was past 5347.
01:26:20.000 What year was that?
01:26:21.000 This is 1112 years ago.
01:26:22.000 Maybe you can pull it up.
01:26:23.000 I know I think it was about eleven years ago.
01:26:26.000 Anyway, I talked to a lot of my friends who are our uh Democrats or liberals, and they were appalled at the minor margin the minor margin was like that.
01:26:39.000 No, I thought it was you're appalled that it barely made it.
01:26:42.000 I thought it was gonna be 2080 the other way.
01:26:44.000 It's it is amazing how quickly, though, America were very nimble.
01:26:50.000 Very nimble to swing and understand different ways.
01:26:50.000 Yeah.
01:26:56.000 I was shocked that it even came close.
01:26:58.000 That it didn't.
01:26:58.000 You thought it was gonna be really you thought it was gonna be 80, 20 against?
01:27:01.000 I thought that my romantic idea, or should I travel there, been around there and stayed there many times, got friends there.
01:27:09.000 I thought that it was so entrenched in a born-again red Christianity that that was blasphemy to the majority. 0.99
01:27:20.000 And it was not.
01:27:20.000 Right.
01:27:23.000 It was not.
01:27:25.000 And I just remember thinking, there's an example, not an ideal one, but there's an e not if you're for if you were for gay marriage, that's not an ideal example, but there's an example of talk about an evolution or adaptability to to times and change.
01:27:37.000 Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, gay marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it up the best.
01:27:44.000 Right.
01:27:45.000 They have the s the lowest rates of divorce.
01:27:47.000 I think gay marriage between two men, the rate of divorce is only like twenty-six percent.
01:27:47.000 Right.
01:27:52.000 Whereas with men and women, it's fifty percent. 0.72
01:27:52.000 Right. 0.72
01:27:55.000 So if you really love marriage.
01:27:55.000 Yeah.
01:27:58.000 Hey, yeah, right.
01:27:59.000 You should love gay marriage because they're doing it right. 0.95
01:28:01.000 What do you think about that when they talk about, you know, because we're always we're always talking and thinking about, so you know.
01:28:07.000 How do you make the world a better place?
01:28:09.000 Talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, you talk about politicians.
01:28:14.000 But if you go back to the root, the beginning seems to be to me to be parenting.
01:28:21.000 Mm-hmm.
01:28:21.000 Secondly, what if what could be done to get more fathers just hang stay around?
01:28:32.000 More mothers do than the fathers. 1.00
01:28:33.000 A lot of fathers are out early.
01:28:35.000 And what could be done if more marriages, if we work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of ah, smell the heat getting out.
01:28:45.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.
01:28:47.000 Could that do?
01:28:48.000 You know you think that would be a uh a way forward.
01:28:51.000 I I have a hunch that it is.
01:28:52.000 I don't know how to what to do about it, except prop up the reverence for parenthood, prop up the reverence for marriage to where it's more important to us than it is.
01:29:06.000 Yeah.
01:29:07.000 To stick with it a little longer, to salvage that.
01:29:12.000 Our personal character, our responsibilities that we take as a parent, and our responsibility that we take in going into a marriage.
01:29:18.000 Oh, make it mean a little bit more than I feel like it does.
01:29:22.000 Well to us a lot of times.
01:29:24.000 But I think it really depends entirely on who the individuals are.
01:29:31.000 Because sometimes one person is just not keeping up their end of the deal.
01:29:37.000 They just fall off.
01:29:38.000 Yeah.
01:29:38.000 Maybe they get into drugs, they st they become addicted, they maybe they lose their job and they don't want to get it back, and they just start drinking every day.
01:29:46.000 And like sometimes a man or a woman has to make a choice in the city.
01:29:51.000 I know I've seen some good marriage good divorces too.
01:29:53.000 I was like, oh, that was good for the both that.
01:29:54.000 There's some people that don't want to change and they will drag you down.
01:29:57.000 And there's some people when you met them, they had hope, and then eventually that hope just fucking leeches out of them, and they're not fun to be around anymore.
01:30:05.000 And you try and you try, and you try to encourage them, you try to give them suggestions, and they don't follow through.
01:30:12.000 And at first a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning man because you're gonna fucking drown too.
01:30:17.000 And you gotta just move on with your life.
01:30:18.000 And I get it.
01:30:19.000 I get when wives leave like that, I get when husbands leave like that, but a lot of people just marry people because they're hot. 1.00
01:30:27.000 You know, they marry people because they're sexy. 1.00
01:30:29.000 They like having sex with them. 0.89
01:30:31.000 You know, they think they're attractive, and then you're with some fucking crazy person.
01:30:34.000 Yeah.
01:30:34.000 And you're trying to make life work with a crazy person, and now you have kids.
01:30:38.000 And now you're trying to make life with kids with this fucking crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the first place.
01:30:38.000 Right.
01:30:43.000 You didn't have anything in common with them other than you like their body and you liked how sexy they are.
01:30:49.000 Oh, that's the trap.
01:30:51.000 Like you gotta it's a bet de pet you have to like genuinely love someone.
01:30:56.000 Like love their personality, love being around them, love their kindness, and then you have to be someone that other people would love.
01:31:04.000 A lot of people want this perfect person in our life, and they're a mess.
01:31:04.000 Yeah.
01:31:09.000 Oh, yeah.
01:31:10.000 I there's a lot of I've seen that go down to the body.
01:31:12.000 There's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out. 0.99
01:31:15.000 And one of them is like over time, when two boats are traveling together, if one of them just like this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy about life, but it it it actually works with marriages too.
01:31:27.000 Because all you need is like a subtle turn in one direction, and over time you're further and further apart.
01:31:34.000 Where like we don't have the same philosophy anymore.
01:31:37.000 We don't have the same belief system, we don't have the same ethics or morals or you know, maybe your husband has got a job that you're like, you shouldn't be fucking doing this.
01:31:47.000 This is bad for society.
01:31:48.000 Like your job overall is awful.
01:31:51.000 You're maybe you're denying people health care claims, you know, for insurance companies.
01:31:56.000 Maybe that's your thing.
01:31:57.000 And like, and you're like you're you have to live with the psychic weight of like, yeah, we're eating ribeyes and we have a nice house, but like how did we get this money?
01:32:05.000 Like, and maybe the wife is like, I don't want to do this anymore.
01:32:08.000 I don't want to be connected to you.
01:32:09.000 Yeah.
01:32:09.000 That's that's understandable too.
01:32:12.000 It's like not all marriages are supposed to work out.
01:32:14.000 I I I agree with you.
01:32:16.000 I think it makes sense.
01:32:17.000 Is it divorce rate now? 0.57
01:32:18.000 Yes.
01:32:19.000 What if that was 45?
01:32:20.000 Well, is Chris Rock had a great joke about that?
01:32:22.000 He goes, That's just the cowards that stay.
01:32:28.000 He's like, how many of them wish they were divorced?
01:32:34.000 Really good point.
01:32:35.000 Really good point.
01:32:36.000 Because although 50% get divorced, how many of those 50% that stay are just cowards?
01:32:41.000 Pay independent.
01:32:42.000 Oh, man.
01:32:43.000 I mean, we all have friends like that where you're like, bro, get out.
01:32:46.000 And they don't, and then but then we also have people that have great marriages.
01:32:51.000 Yep.
01:32:51.000 And when you meet people that have great marriages, it's like, oh, that's possible.
01:32:54.000 You know, that's possible.
01:32:56.000 Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverence going into, you're not getting ones that are just hot.
01:33:03.000 We love to shag.
01:33:04.000 It's a cultural milestone too.
01:33:06.000 It's like a thing, you're doing it because it's like everybody does it, every woman wants to be married, every you want to have a family, every man wants to, you know, like this is my wife.
01:33:14.000 And and so you think that you a lot of people live life like they're in a goddamn romantic comedy.
01:33:19.000 They think they're in a movie.
01:33:21.000 You know, they think they're and they don't they don't it's like that there's something about media, something about songs and movies.
01:33:29.000 It gives us this like bizarre framework for what a relationship or what life is supposed to be like, or what your life is supposed to be like, and it's not real, and where your life doesn't measure up to the the this movie, just like your life is not gonna measure up to your Instagram feed.
01:33:46.000 Yeah, you get kind of kind of depressed, like this is it.
01:33:50.000 Well, why why are we in Galveston for our honeymoon when she's on a yacht?
01:33:55.000 She's in a beatha. 0.98
01:33:56.000 You know what I mean?
01:33:57.000 Exactly.
01:33:58.000 And that comparison thing comes.
01:34:00.000 Well, that's also why people put everything on the gram, too.
01:34:04.000 They put everything they do.
01:34:05.000 Look at me here, having so much fun, look at me smiling, having a great time.
01:34:10.000 Well, you paint yourself in a corner.
01:34:12.000 Yeah, we let Levi get on uh grand when you turn 15.
01:34:16.000 And he'll know if they'll stay on it.
01:34:18.000 But that was one of the things we were talking about.
01:34:20.000 I was like, dude, you know, he was surfing to time.
01:34:22.000 I was like, don't just put all your all your best waves on there, because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner when you go to the break and the guy's like, oh, we've seen it.
01:34:30.000 I said, better put some wipeouts on there too.
01:34:32.000 Just so you can go and not have that pressure because you're gonna paint yourself in a corner.
01:34:32.000 Yeah.
01:34:35.000 Absolutely.
01:34:36.000 Life looks too good.
01:34:37.000 Yeah.
01:34:38.000 You know what I mean?
01:34:38.000 Absolutely.
01:34:39.000 And you gotta go out and you gotta live up to this.
01:34:41.000 That's it.
01:34:45.000 If If if I make my wife superwoman and she thinks I'm superman, neither one of us can live up to that.
01:34:50.000 Right.
01:34:51.000 And so we're gonna come in under the R expected bar, and there becomes the recipe for you're not who I thought you were.
01:34:59.000 Yeah.
01:34:59.000 Because we had an unfair expectation.
01:35:01.000 Right.
01:35:02.000 Going in.
01:35:02.000 Yeah.
01:35:04.000 I mean, that definitely happens too.
01:35:04.000 Yeah.
01:35:07.000 Also, familiarity breeds contempt.
01:35:09.000 People just get tired of being the same space with the same person over and over again.
01:35:13.000 Like, stop.
01:35:15.000 Leave me alone.
01:35:16.000 Get away. 0.73
01:35:18.000 People get sick of people.
01:35:19.000 But it's also like, who did you pick?
01:35:21.000 Yeah.
01:35:22.000 Who'd you pick?
01:35:23.000 And why'd they pick you?
01:35:24.000 Are you are you someone that you would pick if you were a woman?
01:35:28.000 You know?
01:35:28.000 Yeah.
01:35:29.000 Would you want you as a husband?
01:35:31.000 Would you want you as a friend?
01:35:32.000 Right.
01:35:33.000 Would you know?
01:35:33.000 Yeah.
01:35:34.000 And if not, maybe you should maybe should become someone that someone would like to be friends with.
01:35:40.000 Yeah.
01:35:40.000 Maybe you should become someone someone would like to be a husband.
01:35:42.000 Yeah.
01:35:43.000 Like to have as a husband.
01:35:44.000 Sit in that passenger seat you're talking about and have a look.
01:35:47.000 Have a look at yourself.
01:35:48.000 That's why a good psychedelic experience every now and then knocks the dust off and gives you a little reset and lets you look at yourself and go, okay.
01:35:48.000 Yeah.
01:35:48.000 Yeah.
01:35:56.000 Yeah, tell tell me tell me explain what tell me what that what that does. 1.00
01:36:01.000 It unpacks some some some somewhat some some sort of neuro cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work, but they're sort of they're doc they become doctrinaire.
01:36:09.000 There's a lot of that in that for sure.
01:36:11.000 And I think that's also a dissolving of the ego.
01:36:13.000 That's a big part of it.
01:36:14.000 One of the things that most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego, like completely dissolve the ego.
01:36:21.000 At least for a brief amount of time.
01:36:23.000 And during that brief amount of time, you have a much more objective understanding of what that's why there's so many people who uh take mushrooms and then completely quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills.
01:36:35.000 They just go, Oh my God, like what was I doing?
01:36:37.000 Like why was I doing that?
01:36:38.000 Like you just you need to get outside of yourself.
01:36:41.000 And I think that that was a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands of years.
01:36:47.000 People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient Ulysses in in Greece.
01:36:52.000 The Illusinian Mysteries was all about that.
01:36:55.000 In Eleusis, uh when they would they would all get together with they would take this trek to get there's a fantastic book on it called The Immortality Key that a guy's been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times, Brian Murray Rescue wrote.
01:37:07.000 But it's all about these are the people that figured out democracy.
01:37:10.000 This is like in in ancient Greece, and they all did it from having these psychedelic trips.
01:37:15.000 Right.
01:37:16.000 They would all go and have this trek to have this this visionary experience, and they'd come back with new insight and ideas.
01:37:22.000 Yeah.
01:37:23.000 And a dissolving of the ego.
01:37:24.000 I mean, they they literally came to the idea like, hey, maybe we should let everybody have a say in how things run and vote.
01:37:30.000 Like they invented democracy.
01:37:32.000 Which is crazy.
01:37:32.000 Right.
01:37:33.000 And they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs.
01:37:38.000 Like they found these um clay pots that these people used to keep their wine in, and their wine was all like mixed up with psychedelics.
01:37:48.000 It wasn't regular wine.
01:37:49.000 Like we think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage.
01:37:52.000 No, it was wine with ergot in it.
01:37:54.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:37:54.000 So they were there's like an LSD like substance and a bunch of other stuff.
01:37:58.000 Like you ever seen the Dumbo, the animated Yeah, sure.
01:38:02.000 Okay.
01:38:03.000 I just noticed it because I noticed it just saw it for the seen it before, but recently saw it three years ago.
01:38:09.000 So Dumbo at the after the circus goes over, puts his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar and the party.
01:38:18.000 Okay?
01:38:19.000 Stars start to think.
01:38:20.000 The next thing, next edit is he's in the top of a tree.
01:38:25.000 He can fly.
01:38:27.000 That was more than alcohol.
01:38:29.000 It was the psychobalaxy index.
01:38:32.000 The cut is directly to him in the top of a tree.
01:38:34.000 That's hilarious.
01:38:35.000 God, I haven't seen Dumbo since my kids were like one.
01:38:39.000 If you see it two.
01:38:40.000 If you see it again, I need to watch it.
01:38:43.000 I haven't seen it for I'm God, I don't even know if they're not going to be able to do it.
01:38:46.000 And the crows are over there talking shit about him about his how he got up here and what are you doing up here, man?
01:38:50.000 You should have seen yourself last night.
01:38:52.000 Talk about I don't remember, but I was there, Dumbo didn't remember none of it, man.
01:38:55.000 But he's ended up in the top of the show.
01:38:58.000 I remember when they were real little, uh, we watched Pinocchio and how creepy it was.
01:39:02.000 I was like, oh my God, Pinocchio's creepy.
01:39:05.000 When the they when the the the boys got kidnapped and it turned them into donkeys?
01:39:10.000 Remember that part?
01:39:10.000 Yeah.
01:39:11.000 Yes.
01:39:12.000 That was Pinocchio, right?
01:39:13.000 Yeah.
01:39:14.000 Dude, he has a five minute trip in Dumbo.
01:39:14.000 Here's the part.
01:39:16.000 Oh, really?
01:39:18.000 I mean, it's a whole scene.
01:39:20.000 The pink elephants.
01:39:21.000 Oh, whoa.
01:39:24.000 This is after he drank the side.
01:39:27.000 So he just drank the slop, right?
01:39:28.000 He's 100% tripping.
01:39:30.000 And the last we saw was he just drank some out.
01:39:33.000 Look at it.
01:39:35.000 Pyramids.
01:39:36.000 Yeah.
01:39:37.000 And it ends here.
01:39:38.000 Oh wow.
01:39:40.000 And so I'm coming back to Earth.
01:39:42.000 Wait, no, he's on he's not back to Earth.
01:39:42.000 Oh.
01:39:44.000 He's up in a tree.
01:39:45.000 He's up in a tree.
01:39:50.000 That's crazy.
01:39:51.000 I would have never guessed.
01:39:53.000 I would have never guessed that it's a part.
01:39:54.000 But that's actually a part of one of the rides at Disneyland.
01:39:59.000 Is that is there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland that looks psychedelic?
01:40:04.000 Yes.
01:40:05.000 That's right.
01:40:06.000 No, it's Winnie the Pooh.
01:40:08.000 There's a Winnie the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take with my kids.
01:40:12.000 And you go through the ride.
01:40:13.000 It's like real simple ride.
01:40:14.000 It's not like scary at all.
01:40:15.000 It's like good for like little kids.
01:40:17.000 And you get to this one part, I'm like, what are they trying to say here?
01:40:20.000 Like this is crazy.
01:40:21.000 Like Tigger comes out and Tigger's like this psychedelic being, and everything is like now in black light.
01:40:28.000 Yeah.
01:40:30.000 So Tigger comes out and Tigger's like a freak.
01:40:32.000 Like, why is this guy bouncing around on his tail?
01:40:35.000 And then it gets to a certain part, get a little forward here, where it gets super fucking weird.
01:40:40.000 Like right here.
01:40:42.000 Like, what the hell is happening?
01:40:44.000 It's all about honey.
01:40:46.000 Like things are like this is like fractal.
01:40:48.000 This is like a DMT world.
01:40:51.000 This is really weird.
01:40:52.000 Like, what does this have to do with Winnie the Pooh?
01:40:54.000 What the fuck happened?
01:40:56.000 It's really weird.
01:41:01.000 It's like, what are they trying to say here?
01:41:03.000 I didn't see anything about honey.
01:41:05.000 Yeah, it's something about the honey.
01:41:07.000 It's like something about well, you know, there's some stuff called mad honey.
01:41:10.000 And this mad honey, we actually ate it on the podcast once.
01:41:13.000 Some guy brought it.
01:41:15.000 Um, but it's a honey that these I think it's in the Himalayas.
01:41:20.000 That's where it is, right?
01:41:22.000 Where these guys have to climb up the side of a cliff to get this stuff.
01:41:25.000 Yeah.
01:41:26.000 And these bees are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower?
01:41:32.000 What is the uh psychedelic plant?
01:41:37.000 So these these bees are taking pollen from this psychedelic plant, and they're making a psychedelic honey.
01:41:42.000 Okay.
01:41:42.000 Okay.
01:41:43.000 So this is a so bad honey is a honey that contains boy, say that word.
01:41:47.000 Gray Grainotoxins.
01:41:50.000 The dark reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of the genus rotoderedron.
01:41:55.000 How do you say that?
01:41:56.000 Rhododendron.
01:41:57.000 Rhododendron.
01:41:58.000 It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects.
01:42:02.000 Produced principally in Nepal and Turkey, where he's uses both the traditional medicine and a recreational drug.
01:42:08.000 Ah, okay.
01:42:09.000 But see, we'll show how they get it.
01:42:10.000 Because these guys look at that.
01:42:12.000 They have to climb on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff.
01:42:15.000 And people get it just to trip out.
01:42:18.000 Wow.
01:42:19.000 Imagine you try that hard to get honey that you make like a rope ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper's outfit, and they're they're all like these these hives are all connected to the side of a cliff.
01:42:32.000 It's really crazy.
01:42:33.000 Yeah, that's cool.
01:42:34.000 Yeah.
01:42:37.000 It was a very bizarre effect too.
01:42:39.000 The honey itself.
01:42:40.000 Did you have some?
01:42:40.000 What did you uh three hours after having some?
01:42:43.000 Did you get a little bit more?
01:42:44.000 Well, I was it was in the middle of the podcast.
01:42:46.000 I took it at the beginning of the podcast.
01:42:47.000 I just took a big I go, how much is a large dose?
01:42:50.000 And he's like, take like a half a teaspoon, like ah fuck it.
01:42:53.000 And I just took a whole big teaspoon of it, and I was like, whoo, this is interesting.
01:42:57.000 How soon did it get interesting?
01:42:59.000 Twenty minutes.
01:42:59.000 Okay.
01:43:00.000 Yeah, about twenty minutes in.
01:43:01.000 I'm like, whoa, okay.
01:43:02.000 This is a new one.
01:43:04.000 I was like, this is crazy.
01:43:05.000 This is honey.
01:43:06.000 Like put this in your teeth.
01:43:08.000 Like, what's going on in Nepal?
01:43:10.000 I don't think it's a a normal use thing.
01:43:13.000 I think it's an occasional use thing.
01:43:14.000 Well, maybe not a full tablespoon.
01:43:17.000 It didn't.
01:43:18.000 It wasn't that bad.
01:43:19.000 It wasn't like I was out of my head and didn't know what to do.
01:43:21.000 I was completely functional.
01:43:22.000 Yeah.
01:43:23.000 But it was like bizarre that this is in honey.
01:43:26.000 So these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego and you unlock some of the, you know.
01:43:34.000 just like you got a vacation to reset your life.
01:43:38.000 Sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain.
01:43:40.000 Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging on to old ideas a little bit less, and you have more of an open beginner's mind and the day unravels with that with less certain concrete expectations or uh this is how that should go or very insightful, yeah.
01:44:00.000 You're right.
01:44:01.000 Yeah, definitely.
01:44:02.000 That's part of it.
01:44:03.000 Like the the less you hang on to in your head, the the the more energy you have for other stuff.
01:44:09.000 Yeah.
01:44:10.000 Like you only I always tell people, like especially young comics, like that are like getting on social media and arguing with people and stuff.
01:44:17.000 I'm like, look, man, think of your time in your day as a m like a numerical unit, like you have a hundred units of time, a hundred units of energy.
01:44:25.000 If you're putting thirty of those units on some bullshit online, you're robbing yourself of that time that you could be putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act, your life.
01:44:39.000 You you don't need to do that.
01:44:41.000 Like it's a trap.
01:44:42.000 Like you get sucked into thinking you need to do that, and all it does is it just robs you of your energy.
01:44:48.000 The less you're attached to like old beefs and squaw fuck that guy, all that those kind of things, the less you're attached to that stuff, the freer you are, the more energy you have.
01:44:48.000 Yeah.
01:44:59.000 And it's good for you.
01:45:00.000 It's again it's a self-selfish thing to do.
01:45:02.000 Selfish to be kind.
01:45:03.000 Yep.
01:45:04.000 Yeah.
01:45:05.000 Amen on that.
01:45:06.000 Yeah.
01:45:07.000 And I think if if those things were legal and more people could experience them in a controlled setting with people who know how to administer them and know the right dose and and know, you know, hey, what it are you on a medication?
01:45:21.000 Well, if you're on a certain medication, definitely don't be taking this stuff because your medication's an MOA inhibitor, and this is you know, this could really fuck you up.
01:45:34.000 But you know, it doesn't even have to be that, man.
01:45:36.000 It could be a fucking good yoga class.
01:45:38.000 Right.
01:45:39.000 It could be um holotropic breathing.
01:45:41.000 You could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose and out to your mouth with intention, and you'll have a psychedelic experience.
01:45:49.000 You'll get a relief from I just got one the other day from from acupuncture.
01:45:53.000 Brilliant.
01:45:54.000 Did not expect it at all.
01:45:55.000 And I mean I came out going, oh my gosh, I just felt like I'd hibernated for a 14-hour nap and woke up clean as a whistle.
01:46:02.000 I've only done acupuncture one time, and the dude was a total kook. 1.00
01:46:06.000 He was so kooky that I I just I I didn't didn't stick around.
01:46:10.000 He was too weird.
01:46:11.000 The guy was so weird.
01:46:13.000 He was really good at acupuncture.
01:46:14.000 But he was just like this really weird guy in LA, and he'd have these conversations with you.
01:46:18.000 He's asking a bunch of questions, and I was like, okay.
01:46:21.000 I gotta get away from this guy.
01:46:24.000 That's the that's the that's the masseuse that I when you lay down and they go, Yeah. 0.96
01:46:28.000 So what's your horoscope?
01:46:30.000 And I'm like going, oh shit.
01:46:31.000 Oh no.
01:46:32.000 And they go, and I go any injuries?
01:46:33.000 I'm like, Yeah, this left shoulder, neck left side of your body.
01:46:38.000 That means you need to get in touch.
01:46:39.000 I'm like, no, no, no.
01:46:40.000 I actually got hit by a car.
01:46:42.000 I don't don't go psychological on me just yet, man.
01:46:45.000 Come on.
01:46:45.000 Don't go horoscope out of the gate.
01:46:47.000 Oh.
01:46:48.000 If we would add that on for some color commentary afterwards, I'm okay with it, but let's not come out of the gate saying this is the reason.
01:46:55.000 I actually just reached out to my booking guy to try to get a real astrologer on, like someone who really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff.
01:47:07.000 I think newspaper horoscope is nonsense.
01:47:10.000 I think there's a lot of people that are just like reading your tarot cards that are just ripping you off.
01:47:15.000 But I always wonder, like at the heart like astrology is so specific.
01:47:21.000 Like, why did they write that down?
01:47:23.000 Why did they have this understanding of how the stars are aligned at the time of your birthday?
01:47:28.000 Pre-mathematics.
01:47:29.000 Yeah.
01:47:29.000 Yeah.
01:47:30.000 Where part of the earth you're at.
01:47:31.000 Yeah.
01:47:32.000 I see, I don't even know if it's pre-mathematics.
01:47:34.000 I think it's pre-our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged.
01:47:41.000 I don't think that's real.
01:47:43.000 I think they had mathematics long before that.
01:47:46.000 I think civilization was wiped out and had to restart over again.
01:47:50.000 And there's a lot of evidence to that.
01:47:52.000 There's a lot of evidence that like society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid impact, comet impact, and um there's a whole theory behind it, the younger dryest impact theory from 11,800 years ago.
01:48:08.000 They think we got hit.
01:48:10.000 And they it's a there's a comet storm that we go through every September was it November and June?
01:48:17.000 Is that what it is?
01:48:19.000 Yeah, I think so.
01:48:20.000 Something like that, like June and November.
01:48:22.000 Um and occasionally we get hit.
01:48:25.000 And you know, there's like nine hundred thousand near Earth objects.
01:48:31.000 Yeah.
01:48:31.000 And it doesn't take a really big one to fuck up everything.
01:48:35.000 It doesn't take one that's gonna kill everybody to fuck up anything.
01:48:38.000 It just takes one the size of a block.
01:48:41.000 Like one city block comes slamming into the ice caps, and then you just got chaos.
01:48:47.000 And everything goes away.
01:48:48.000 And all like modern conveniences and all organized societies thrown into chaos, and then people have to rebuild.
01:48:58.000 I think that's happened a bunch of times in human history.
01:49:01.000 And this is real physical evidence to this younger dryest impact theory, which also coincides with the ending of the ice age.
01:49:07.000 It's all around the same time.
01:49:09.000 And they think it was like a series of events.
01:49:11.000 They were thinking we were hit more than once.
01:49:13.000 They think they were hit around eleven thousand eight hundred years ago, but then again somewhere around ten thousand years ago.
01:49:18.000 So it's probably when we see society emerging and like Mesopotamia and Sumer, which was like around five thousand plus, six thousand years ago.
01:49:28.000 I think that's just the newest version of it.
01:49:31.000 I think they probably had mathematics long before that.
01:49:34.000 They are probably they probably were doing shit.
01:49:36.000 Whoever built the pyramids, like the you can't tell me they didn't have some sort of complex geometry and mathematics.
01:49:42.000 There's there's no way they didn't.
01:49:44.000 The the the things are pointed to true north, south, east and west.
01:49:48.000 Like that's five thousand years ago.
01:49:51.000 Carl Sagan, uh I got to sit with him for a few hours before we made this film called Contact that uh I was in with Jody Foster.
01:50:00.000 You do one of my all-time favorite movies.
01:50:02.000 I love that movie.
01:50:03.000 Oh.
01:50:03.000 And I love Carl Sagan.
01:50:05.000 Yeah.
01:50:05.000 He wrote the book.
01:50:06.000 Yeah.
01:50:06.000 Yeah.
01:50:07.000 Got to talk to him and listen to him actually for a few hours.
01:50:10.000 Anyway, I got to know his wife and his wife's really cool, but her her hello, her greeting is always, hey, what's your coordinate?
01:50:21.000 Whoa.
01:50:23.000 What's your coordinate?
01:50:24.000 What's your coordinate?
01:50:26.000 Boy, she's she's out there. 0.58
01:50:28.000 But I mean that was similar of the north southeast with where are we coordinated?
01:50:32.000 Where's the earth coordinated in the galaxy in the universe in the hands of time, what has happened, what's our coordinate?
01:50:40.000 It is kind of an out there, but it's a it's a it's a pretty cool objective way to go.
01:50:44.000 Let me think about that.
01:50:45.000 Reminds me of yeah, like uh You ever meet Bush 41?
01:50:50.000 No.
01:50:52.000 Hi, President Bush, how you doing today?
01:50:56.000 Why is holding your hand?
01:50:59.000 About an eight point two today, Matthew.
01:51:01.000 Eight point two.
01:51:02.000 To the tenth.
01:51:03.000 He would give you an answer out of ten to the tenth of how he's doing.
01:51:07.000 Hmm.
01:51:08.000 I always thought that was pretty interesting.
01:51:09.000 Because everybody goes, Oh, I'm good, man.
01:51:10.000 Great, great, great, how are you?
01:51:12.000 That's some CIA shit, son.
01:51:14.000 He was adding it up to the tenth.
01:51:16.000 What's your coordinate?
01:51:17.000 About an eight point two.
01:51:18.000 He had numbers in his head.
01:51:19.000 Yeah.
01:51:20.000 You know, um Herbert Walker was the guy that um Hal put off uh and a bunch of these scientists.
01:51:27.000 He he brought them together and said we have recovered a crashed UFO more than one occasion, and we have a back engineering program, and we're considering disclosure to the American people.
01:51:40.000 I want you to list the positives, uh the positive impact of society and the negatives.
01:51:46.000 Yeah.
01:51:46.000 And they did it with a quite a few different scientists, and they all had more negatives than positive.
01:51:51.000 If they came out with this information to share this information, what would be the effect on society?
01:51:55.000 Yes.
01:51:56.000 More negatives than positive.
01:51:57.000 More negatives and possibly positive.
01:51:59.000 Disruption of religion, government, economy.
01:52:04.000 Well, I mean how it does, I just don't know depends on your religion, you know.
01:52:09.000 Um, and depends on where these things are from and what what is happening.
01:52:12.000 What do we think?
01:52:13.000 In the Bible, Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky.
01:52:16.000 Exactly.
01:52:17.000 Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel.
01:52:18.000 Yeah.
01:52:19.000 The Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter.
01:52:22.000 And it's not the only version of that in ancient texts.
01:52:26.000 And the in the ancient Hindu texts they have Vimanas, these things that Are flying through the sky, like what is what are those things?
01:52:32.000 You know, in the Rig Veda.
01:52:34.000 In the in even in the Bhagavad Gita, they there's there's all these depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about a spaceship or at the very least, some kind of technology.
01:52:45.000 Like what this thing about the Nephilim, like that the the gods made it with women and created men who are monstrous. 0.92
01:52:53.000 Boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came down and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings?
01:53:00.000 That that's a version of it that you could imply from the text.
01:53:05.000 It's all really weird stuff, man.
01:53:08.000 Like really weird.
01:53:09.000 If you if you if you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about society.
01:53:17.000 And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after so Hal Putov was explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they put a numerical value to each thing.
01:53:26.000 I'm like, we were that close.
01:53:28.000 Right.
01:53:28.000 Like, imagine if that happened this is 1990, right?
01:53:32.000 Now correct me if I'm wrong, but these kind of really weird things, as you put them.
01:53:39.000 They excite you more than they give you fear.
01:53:44.000 That'd be fair.
01:53:45.000 Yeah.
01:53:46.000 I mean, you seem excited.
01:53:48.000 You get excited about different possibilities.
01:53:51.000 Yes.
01:53:52.000 I mean, you know, I have people go, oh man, no, Rogan loves these conspiracy theories.
01:53:57.000 Like, I don't see him liking the conspiracy theories.
01:54:00.000 I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going, no, no, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from it and going, no way, no, no, because I believe how it was it, and what I read, and that's how it is.
01:54:16.000 That that you're not that's not what where you're moving from.
01:54:18.000 No, it's never a denial of information and facts, and it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the actual facts behind it are.
01:54:33.000 And then there's that term, this pejorative term, conspiracy theory.
01:54:37.000 The problem with that, calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies are real.
01:54:41.000 Like there's a lot of evidence, and if you want to sit down, I could fucking show you a ton of them.
01:54:46.000 And and so anybody who says, like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm like, okay, let's talk about conspiracies.
01:54:51.000 Like, do you think that any of them exist?
01:54:53.000 Do you think that people conspire?
01:54:55.000 Is it like it's a natural part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history, even governments?
01:55:01.000 I mean, literally, literally the the thing that got us into the Vietnam War was a conspiracy, it was fake.
01:55:07.000 The Gulf of Tonkin.
01:55:09.000 It was a false flag operation that it never took place at all.
01:55:13.000 They lied to the American people.
01:55:14.000 That's a conspiracy.
01:55:15.000 Like that's just one conspiracy that turns out to be true.
01:55:18.000 There's a lot of them.
01:55:19.000 The problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist.
01:55:23.000 They've done such a good job of making it a goofy term that you don't ever want attached to you if you cause damage to your reputation.
01:55:31.000 If you're in a job where you people have to take you seriously, fortunately I'm not.
01:55:35.000 But if you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, you don't want to say anything weird, like, hey, I think aliens are real.
01:55:41.000 Like people think you're a kook, and then you they discount your opinion on everything.
01:55:47.000 Yeah.
01:55:48.000 But if you just know the actual facts, like people that don't think there's anything that aliens are real.
01:55:56.000 It's there's no way we're alone.
01:55:58.000 There's we've never been contacted.
01:56:00.000 Why not?
01:56:00.000 Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday that was talking about cancer research, he was also telling us about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft for is it 1950 that they found it?
01:56:11.000 The first one, the silica one.
01:56:14.000 So they have d direct chain of uh possession of this evidence from I believe it was 1950, and it was almost pure silica, and the magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this magnesium had to have been it it had to have been sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for 900 years.
01:56:43.000 That's how off the isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on Earth.
01:56:47.000 He's like, I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ever do that, but I'm saying this is from 1950.
01:56:53.000 Like this is a real piece of what they're saying is a wreckage of a craft, and it has a material composition that is impossible for a normal person to create in 1950.
01:57:05.000 So what the fuck is this?
01:57:06.000 Right.
01:57:07.000 And you sit to say that to people, and they're like, oh, so Gary Nolan, who's a professor at Stanford, um, he's professor in the in the in the what is his uh forensics?
01:57:20.000 Is that what his uh he does cancer research, but what is his actual title?
01:57:26.000 Stanford School of Medicine professor, anyway, rock solid credentials published, and people brought him this material, and they said, would you analyze this?
01:57:36.000 Because you know all these different scientists and endowed chair, department of pathology, Stanford School of Medicine.
01:57:42.000 So when a guy like that is saying, No, this is a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make here.
01:57:52.000 Right.
01:57:52.000 They they found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on earth, and it has uh on an atomic level, layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is.
01:58:04.000 He's like, this cost billions of dollars to create.
01:58:07.000 And they found it in 1970.
01:58:09.000 Like in 1970, no one had this.
01:58:11.000 This is it's not possible to make.
01:58:13.000 Like maybe you can make it today, but we don't have the equipment to make it today.
01:58:17.000 You could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that money today to do something like that.
01:58:24.000 But it would be an enormous undertaking.
01:58:27.000 And this is a piece of craft that someone found from 1976.
01:58:27.000 Yeah.
01:58:30.000 So when a guy like that is telling you, like, I'm not saying what it is.
01:58:34.000 I'm not saying where it's from, but I'm saying this is fucking crazy.
01:58:37.000 Yeah, it doesn't add up to what we could practically do.
01:58:40.000 So when someone says conspiracy, like, yeah, yeah, I I I believe in conspiracies because they're real.
01:58:40.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.
01:58:46.000 Right.
01:58:47.000 And because I don't have to worry about being taken seriously.
01:58:50.000 And most people do.
01:58:51.000 Most people don't want to be a fool.
01:58:53.000 You don't want to be a silly person.
01:58:54.000 You know, you don't want to be mocked when people aren't around you, like, yeah, fucking Bob believes the JFK assassination or farming.
01:59:03.000 Yeah.
01:59:04.000 You say because you don't have to be taken seriously.
01:59:09.000 Exactly.
01:59:10.000 Because wait, because you're saying your your theories on things are solid, or because you in your position are going, hey, I don't have to be taken.
01:59:20.000 My job does not rely on me being taken seriously.
01:59:22.000 Right.
01:59:23.000 Nothing.
01:59:24.000 What do you say to the because you get you get attacked for like, hey man, you had so-and-so on here and and and and and and and and you placated them.
01:59:35.000 And you know, and and we do take you seriously, because so many people listen, I'm because I always hear, and I'm and I always find that I think there's a hole in those attacks on you.
01:59:46.000 You have a massive audience of listening.
01:59:49.000 Does that mean, inherently?
01:59:51.000 Not necessarily is what I hear you saying, that oh, everything I say should be taken seriously because that information is going wide.
01:59:57.000 No.
01:59:58.000 So people's argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience.
02:00:01.000 So that's your responsibility to make sure blah blah blah blah, they go down that rabbit hole.
02:00:05.000 My responsibility is only just to be me.
02:00:08.000 I don't have a responsibility to do anything else.
02:00:11.000 I d definitely have a responsibility to not lie to people.
02:00:13.000 And I definitely have a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie without at least questioning them.
02:00:20.000 Um, if I know that they're lying.
02:00:20.000 Right.
02:00:22.000 But other than that, my responsibility is just to keep doing what I've done.
02:00:26.000 And that's why I have a big audience.
02:00:28.000 It's not because it's not because of any other reason.
02:00:31.000 So I'm not gonna do anything any differently.
02:00:33.000 No, I I I see that.
02:00:35.000 I applaud it.
02:00:36.000 I don't think you have to.
02:00:37.000 I don't think it's good.
02:00:38.000 I don't think it's smart.
02:00:39.000 I don't think you should be paying too much attention to what other people's opinions of what you should or shouldn't be doing are, as long as you have a good internal compass.
02:00:47.000 As long as you have a good true north and you know.
02:00:50.000 And my true north is how do I feel about it?
02:00:52.000 Like, what do what what do I feel like I'm a good person for doing this?
02:00:56.000 Do I feel like that was a beneficial thing for them and for me?
02:00:59.000 I'm happy, they're happy, we're all good.
02:01:02.000 And that's what I want.
02:01:03.000 I just want I want a hug and a handshake.
02:01:05.000 Thank you, that was awesome.
02:01:06.000 Yeah, good times.
02:01:07.000 And I want to hear from them, like this has been amazing for me.
02:01:11.000 That's that makes me excited.
02:01:13.000 That's all that's all I like.
02:01:14.000 That's that's cool.
02:01:15.000 You gotta you gotta you make it sound so simple, but as you probably know from a lot of people in your position, it ate that sample.
02:01:22.000 It's but it is if you follow the right path.
02:01:25.000 Yep.
02:01:25.000 It's not that hard.
02:01:26.000 Like people say it's hard, I'm like, uh.
02:01:29.000 You know, oh, you work so hard, like, eh.
02:01:31.000 Yeah.
02:01:32.000 Look at us right now.
02:01:33.000 This is me working.
02:01:34.000 This is not that hard.
02:01:35.000 Yeah.
02:01:35.000 This isn't I've had jobs.
02:01:37.000 This is I've done construction.
02:01:39.000 I've done like horrible jobs that suck.
02:01:41.000 This is not a job.
02:01:42.000 This is just a fun pursuit.
02:01:44.000 So you have a responsibility to the people that listen.
02:01:47.000 And I think the people that listen expect me to be me.
02:01:50.000 And that's all you can do.
02:01:51.000 And as soon as you start changing, they fucking know before you know. 0.84
02:01:51.000 Boom. 0.84
02:01:55.000 Like they'll they'll like, oh, you fucking change.
02:01:55.000 Right.
02:01:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:01:58.000 And people will always accuse you of changing even if you haven't.
02:02:01.000 But I I think I've evolved.
02:02:03.000 I've most certainly evolved.
02:02:05.000 I've tempered the way I view life.
02:02:07.000 I'm more I'm definitely kinder and more patient, but I'm the same person.
02:02:12.000 Same person, like same goals.
02:02:14.000 Just curious.
02:02:15.000 I'm interested.
02:02:16.000 Like talk to people.
02:02:16.000 Yeah.
02:02:17.000 And I want everybody to do well.
02:02:18.000 I really genuinely do.
02:02:20.000 Well, that's a uh that's not that's not an overly common trait.
02:02:24.000 It should be I I think it should be too much.
02:02:27.000 And it's not hard, and I think the way you described it is great.
02:02:29.000 It actually is selfish.
02:02:30.000 And I say that all the time.
02:02:31.000 It really is selfish.
02:02:35.000 I'm on a crusade to change the understanding of that word, because I think we sell ourselves short.
02:02:40.000 And with there is a way where what is best for us is actually best for the most amount of people and vice versa.
02:02:47.000 Yeah, I agree.
02:02:48.000 It's at the end of the day, it is all gotta be very personal.
02:02:51.000 Mm-hmm.
02:02:52.000 And then to have some dignity in it.
02:02:54.000 It's the difference between choice and a mandate.
02:02:57.000 No, you got a choice, but make the fucking right choice.
02:03:00.000 Measure the choice.
02:03:01.000 You got you're you got power when you make the choice.
02:03:03.000 And you deal with the consequences.
02:03:03.000 Yep.
02:03:05.000 I love to go, oh, bogey there, McConnell, and I can look in the mirror and go, that's on you.
02:03:09.000 Yeah.
02:03:10.000 Then I can make a good decision, something works out.
02:03:11.000 I can look in the mirror and go, Good man, we hit that one on the screws.
02:03:14.000 I like I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then it makes me really reset and go, Oh boy, get it back together.
02:03:21.000 What's the last big fuck up you had?
02:03:23.000 Do you have a weird podcast, you're like, that one sucked.
02:03:26.000 Like maybe I was like worked out too hard before I got here.
02:03:29.000 That's not good.
02:03:30.000 Like that that's a bad one that I do sometimes.
02:03:32.000 Like, come in charging and and and getting over getting ahead.
02:03:36.000 No, like I'm worn out.
02:03:37.000 Uh and then my brain's not firing on all so like if I do leg, like I do a leg day.
02:03:42.000 Yeah.
02:03:45.000 I come in and my brain is just like wiped out.
02:03:48.000 You know, that's not good.
02:03:49.000 I've done that.
02:03:50.000 You know, I've you know, but it just when you're not on point, okay, what did I do wrong?
02:03:55.000 Well, I didn't get enough sleep.
02:03:56.000 Uh you know, maybe I didn't take my nootropics, whatever it was, like maybe I didn't do uh enough research on the subject, whatever it is, like let's get it back together.
02:04:06.000 Pull that fucking shit back around.
02:04:06.000 Gotcha.
02:04:08.000 See, but that's self-regulation.
02:04:10.000 You're self-regulating.
02:04:10.000 Yeah.
02:04:12.000 Because ah, could have done better.
02:04:13.000 I missed my mark.
02:04:14.000 Oh, my God, I don't like it when I do that.
02:04:16.000 I'm a little embarrassed when I do that.
02:04:18.000 Damn it, I feel shitty.
02:04:19.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:04:20.000 I I didn't I didn't leave that situation better than I found it.
02:04:22.000 I didn't come for I didn't prepare enough or whatever that might be.
02:04:26.000 Man, more that across the board.
02:04:28.000 It's good for everybody.
02:04:29.000 Yeah, man.
02:04:29.000 It's you gotta be your own general.
02:04:31.000 You've got to be your own like wake up, soldier.
02:04:34.000 Yeah you know.
02:04:35.000 I always talk about the cold plunge because it is the w that is the one time.
02:04:39.000 Like people say, Oh, how do you do it every day?
02:04:41.000 Listen to me very carefully.
02:04:43.000 I almost don't every day.
02:04:48.000 Every day.
02:04:49.000 I get that close to bitching out every single day. 0.98
02:04:54.000 I'm amazed how weak I am.
02:04:57.000 I'm amazed.
02:04:58.000 Every time I go to lift that fucking lid off that thing, I'm like, oh my god, I don't want to I'm not doing this.
02:05:03.000 I am not doing this.
02:05:04.000 I'm not doing and then when I get in, I'm like, maybe I'll only do a minute today.
02:05:08.000 Maybe I'll get out right now.
02:05:09.000 Don't you want to get out right now?
02:05:11.000 I'm like, shut the fuck up.
02:05:13.000 I get the let the general talk, and the general's like, shut the fuck up, soldier.
02:05:17.000 Yeah.
02:05:17.000 You will stay in that water.
02:05:19.000 I'm like that dude from uh full metal jacket.
02:05:21.000 Outstanding.
02:05:22.000 Yes.
02:05:23.000 Yeah.
02:05:24.000 Yeah, well self-regulation, man.
02:05:26.000 Yeah, you're not.
02:05:26.000 But every day I almost don't.
02:05:29.000 David Goggins told me that too.
02:05:31.000 Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met, and maybe the most mentally strong human being that's ever walked the face of the planet.
02:05:38.000 And he said, uh he goes, even though I run every day, sometimes I look at my sneakers, I stare at those motherfuckers for a half an hour before I put them on.
02:05:48.000 Just thinking of him.
02:05:49.000 I mean, he's out there running like marathons literally every day.
02:05:54.000 And he would just like I don't want to do this.
02:05:56.000 I don't want to do it, I don't want to do this.
02:05:58.000 Yes.
02:05:59.000 But he does it.
02:06:00.000 It's like people want to think that people that are mentally strong don't struggle.
02:06:00.000 That's the thing.
02:06:04.000 No, you just you do struggle.
02:06:06.000 You always struggle.
02:06:08.000 Yeah.
02:06:08.000 But you win every time.
02:06:10.000 You you make sure that you win every time.
02:06:10.000 Right.
02:06:12.000 And you can win every time.
02:06:14.000 But you gotta develop that ability to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want to do, but you know you should.
02:06:20.000 It's a little bit of that uh I don't know if you ever saw that Djokovic interview on 60 Minutes.
02:06:25.000 No, it didn't.
02:06:25.000 And uh six minutes interview, I forget his name was gone like, look, so you know your mental capacity is why you're so good.
02:06:33.000 Is in and and my hunch is that Novak, it's because you have less negative thought, and Djokovic interrupts him.
02:06:39.000 Uh-uh.
02:06:40.000 Now you might want to pull this one up.
02:06:41.000 This is good.
02:06:42.000 His answer is great.
02:06:42.000 He goes, No, no, no.
02:06:43.000 I have as many or more negative thoughts.
02:06:45.000 I just get past them quicker than others.
02:06:50.000 Yeah, that's a good thing.
02:06:51.000 So he's not denying the negative thoughts.
02:06:53.000 He's let him let him come.
02:06:54.000 And then bam, out of the way.
02:06:56.000 I gotta on to the next.
02:06:57.000 Yeah.
02:06:58.000 He has control.
02:06:59.000 Yeah.
02:06:59.000 Yeah.
02:07:00.000 He has control over those thoughts.
02:07:01.000 They come in and he swats them down.
02:07:04.000 Yeah.
02:07:04.000 You'll have to have some negative thoughts if you're gonna be an elite athlete because you have to be your own worst critic.
02:07:10.000 You can't be satisfied with anything.
02:07:11.000 Yeah.
02:07:12.000 If you want to reach the very tip of the top, every movement must be more precise and more explosive and better every time you do it, and you have to do all the training and you leave no stone unturned, and if you don't do that, you're never gonna reach the level that he's at in anything.
02:07:26.000 Let me ask you about this.
02:07:28.000 Um I got a poem on it, but I'm just trying to remember what it was about.
02:07:32.000 It's uh success.
02:07:35.000 Um, MMA, for instance.
02:07:40.000 What's a better resume for a great performance or victory?
02:07:51.000 Suffering to succeed or revenge.
02:07:55.000 Oh, suffering to succeed.
02:07:56.000 Yeah.
02:07:56.000 Yes.
02:07:57.000 Why?
02:07:58.000 The emotions that come with revenge are crippling, and and and sometimes they can keep you up at night and they'll they'll fuck with your sleep, and then the the consequences of you losing are far greater because you genuinely hate this person.
02:08:12.000 There's a you know, some people th thrive under those conditions, oddly.
02:08:17.000 But I would think most of the time most of the time trying to just achieve the highest version of yourself is the most aspirational.
02:08:28.000 And I think the best of the best do that.
02:08:30.000 Right.
02:08:31.000 The very best the George St. Pierre's of the world, they they do that.
02:08:35.000 They're playing against themselves.
02:08:36.000 They're playing against themselves.
02:08:37.000 Yeah, they're trying to be the very best version of themselves that they can be, and if they do that right and leave no stone unturned, they can achieve greatness.
02:08:45.000 Yeah.
02:08:45.000 But it's not going to be easy.
02:08:47.000 It's g it's gonna be they go through hell.
02:08:49.000 I mean, to become an elite fighter is one of the most physically difficult things, and then psychologically difficult things that a human being can ever undertake, uh outside of war and maybe law enforcement.
02:09:01.000 You know, other than that, the you're you're dealing with uh physical struggle, the likes of most people will never experience in their life.
02:09:10.000 You're you're literally hurling bones in the direction of a a trained assassin, and the two of you are gonna do it publicly in your underwear in front of the whole world, barefoot with these little tiny pads on your knuckles and a cup over your dick, and you just gotta go out there and and kick each other and strangle each other.
02:09:29.000 It's crazy.
02:09:30.000 It's a crazy sport.
02:09:31.000 And so there's this balance of the mind and the body and the intention and how you allocate your resources and time and how you manage stress and how you deal with the the pressures of trying to succeed and the doubts and the fears.
02:09:47.000 In the suffering to succeed.
02:09:50.000 Is it fair to say I think it is that like the people that you know, like the seeing beyond the immediate goal.
02:09:50.000 Yeah.
02:10:01.000 Meaning we choke at the goal line when we look up and get objective and go, oh shit, fourth and one.
02:10:10.000 This could be the game winner.
02:10:12.000 How I gotta get this one yard.
02:10:14.000 Right.
02:10:15.000 Whereas, no, I I run.
02:10:17.000 I will run through, I'll use my ability, I will cross that Bo Jackson.
02:10:21.000 When he scored, he'd go through the end zone down the fucking tunnel.
02:10:24.000 The best snipers don't aim at the target, they aim on the other side of it.
02:10:29.000 Getting through COVID, part of what I know helped me was going, oh, it's gonna be like this for ten years, gang.
02:10:36.000 Family, buckle up. 0.98
02:10:37.000 Yeah.
02:10:39.000 It was much shorter.
02:10:40.000 Oh shit.
02:10:40.000 I We were preparing for a much longer journey, going to work out.
02:10:44.000 This is gonna be hell.
02:10:46.000 Get ready for it, dude.
02:10:48.000 And then all of a sudden you're like, all right, that's it.
02:10:49.000 Wait, I'm done.
02:10:51.000 Projecting past the goal, cellularly, I think wakes up something in us on survival level that we don't choke, we don't get fatigued as quickly.
02:11:02.000 We don't want to quit sooner because we have in our mind, no, it's the end is not right around the corner.
02:11:07.000 And it's only it's it's a bit of a mental trick.
02:11:07.000 Right.
02:11:11.000 But I think that it has something to do with that that that what champions do.
02:11:18.000 They see beyond.
02:11:19.000 They're playing Arch Manning right now.
02:11:21.000 There's never been more hype on a quarter college quarterback ever.
02:11:25.000 I believe that guy is wired, and that family bloodline's even wired.
02:11:30.000 They're beyond this hype.
02:11:32.000 This hype, this is mortal.
02:11:33.000 Right.
02:11:33.000 This is mortal shit, guys.
02:11:34.000 Great.
02:11:35.000 It's about the process, it's about winning games.
02:11:37.000 If UT goes and wins the championship this year, they're preseason ranked number one, never been ranked number one before.
02:11:42.000 I believe that this team is like, oh, well, thank you for the compliment, but we're on our own mission.
02:11:48.000 That being preseason ranked number one or being on the cover of freaking sports illustrated is not a curse nor a validation.
02:11:54.000 It's just noise out there.
02:11:56.000 And if we do it and you go, We told you you'd be number one, we'll look at you and go, Oh, well, thank you.
02:12:01.000 But that's it.
02:12:02.000 I'm not they don't need a pep rally to go.
02:12:06.000 The rest of the world thinks you can win this too.
02:12:09.000 Right.
02:12:09.000 Well, good good for them.
02:12:11.000 We're not playing for them.
02:12:12.000 We're doing our thing.
02:12:13.000 I have a mission here.
02:12:14.000 I believe in a path that I'm on.
02:12:15.000 And I'm going beyond this hype, or I'm going beyond this game.
02:12:19.000 I'm playing for a whole I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire season of hell.
02:12:24.000 I'm prepared to fight this assassin on the other side of me that is wants to defend and do to me what I want to do to them.
02:12:31.000 Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and longer and going to be more tumultuous seems to be a good way to succeed, going beyond, and all of a sudden you look up.
02:12:44.000 I get this from when I've done my best acting.
02:12:47.000 I didn't know it was the last day.
02:12:50.000 When they yield cut at the end of the last scene of the last day of shooting, I was walking off going, all right, see you tomorrow.
02:12:56.000 And they're like, No, no, no, there is no tomorrow.
02:12:58.000 You were just in the zone.
02:12:59.000 That's it.
02:13:00.000 That's it.
02:13:00.000 Yeah.
02:13:01.000 We rapped.
02:13:02.000 Oh, shit.
02:13:04.000 Oh, hey, Joe, how are you doing?
02:13:06.000 For the first time.
02:13:07.000 Because you were just locked in.
02:13:08.000 Yeah.
02:13:08.000 Boom.
02:13:09.000 Yeah.
02:13:10.000 Best rounds of golf.
02:13:11.000 I walked off the 18th green and was heading to the next T-box to look up and realize I no, that's it.
02:13:21.000 You played eight.
02:13:21.000 Oh, shit, what'd I shoot?
02:13:22.000 Oh, 74.
02:13:24.000 Huh.
02:13:25.000 I didn't look at my scorecard on 16 and go, if I can just keep it in the fairway, this last three holes, maybe get in with the parts, don't bogey.
02:13:34.000 I didn't anticipate.
02:13:35.000 So I didn't get my room.
02:13:36.000 I behaved and went through the finish line.
02:13:38.000 Yeah.
02:13:39.000 That something in there is in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge.
02:13:44.000 Seeing on the other side of the target.
02:13:47.000 Yeah.
02:13:48.000 You follow what I'm saying.
02:13:49.000 100%.
02:13:50.000 It's also like concentrating on what you're trying to do versus the impact of what it is.
02:13:50.000 Yeah.
02:13:55.000 Like if I miss this, oh my God, I'm fucked.
02:13:58.000 Yeah, right.
02:13:58.000 Yeah.
02:13:59.000 Instead of that, you're just thinking about I'm going to make this.
02:14:01.000 This is how I make this.
02:14:02.000 This is how I do this.
02:14:03.000 This is how I do this.
02:14:04.000 This is how I behave.
02:14:05.000 It's also in today's world with all the stimulus we're talking about and social media, et cetera, we're all sort of living in the third person or being fed opportunities to live in the third person all the time.
02:14:16.000 It's like we have a jumbotron, and you use a football analogy, you kick me the ball, I'm running the kickoff back, and I'm going down the sideline and I see the goal line, I think I'm going to score.
02:14:27.000 And then I have a look at the jumbotron to see how I'm doing.
02:14:30.000 That's when I'm getting tackled from behind.
02:14:32.000 Yeah.
02:14:33.000 If we step outside to have a look at how are we doing.
02:14:37.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:14:39.000 Yeah.
02:14:39.000 That passenger you open up talking about when you're hitting it comedically is not hopping out over here to have a look.
02:14:46.000 And if you do, you'll you'll get lost.
02:14:48.000 You get lost.
02:14:48.000 You get conscious of what you're behaving, what you know how to do, which you're fashioned to do.
02:14:52.000 Mm-hmm.
02:14:53.000 And you're out of the moment.
02:14:54.000 Yep.
02:14:54.000 And you become ejective.
02:14:55.000 Yeah, when you love watching someone do something where we know they're in the zone, right?
02:15:00.000 Like where someone runs in for a layup and it's like the most beautiful movements, avoiding the defenders up in the air, drops the ball, and we're like, wow.
02:15:11.000 When we see someone just hit the zone.
02:15:14.000 We see it in a fight.
02:15:15.000 When we see someone just flow, we see someone flowing like, wow, he's feeling it.
02:15:22.000 You know, whoa, she's locked in.
02:15:24.000 We love that because we know that it's somewhere in ourselves.
02:15:28.000 And maybe at one point in your life you experienced it.
02:15:31.000 You might have been playing mini golf or something.
02:15:32.000 Like one point in your life, you're like, I think I felt a little bit of that.
02:15:36.000 Right.
02:15:37.000 How much do you think preparation has to do with the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game?
02:15:43.000 A lot.
02:15:45.000 Yeah.
02:15:46.000 Almost everything.
02:15:47.000 You if you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited.
02:15:51.000 Yeah.
02:15:51.000 You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow.
02:15:56.000 But you have to like really have all your bases covered to just like just so they don't have anxiety of I could have done more.
02:16:05.000 Yeah.
02:16:05.000 That is a big issue with fighters.
02:16:07.000 We see fighters towards the end of their career.
02:16:09.000 There's a thing that happens with fighters realize they're probably never going to be champion and they're just doing it for a paycheck.
02:16:15.000 And you know, you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a little soft, and you're like you see a little fear in their eyes because they know they really are not focused.
02:16:24.000 They're really not dialed in.
02:16:25.000 But this is what they're doing for a paycheck now.
02:16:27.000 Yeah.
02:16:28.000 And it's not good.
02:16:29.000 Right.
02:16:29.000 Because the other guy on the other side of the octagon is the opposite.
02:16:33.000 That guy's dialed in.
02:16:34.000 Yeah.
02:16:35.000 Maybe he's only like twenty-five and he's like coming into his prime and you're a stepping stone for him.
02:16:41.000 It's like, ooh.
02:16:42.000 And the and and the problem fear of that is what?
02:16:44.000 Getting actually really injured?
02:16:46.000 Sure.
02:16:47.000 More so than if you were styled yourself.
02:16:50.000 You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take.
02:16:51.000 Okay.
02:16:52.000 And then you're you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace.
02:16:55.000 Because you like to get to the shape that you have to have to be in to be able to compete in a five-round MMA fight, it's almost impossible to maintain.
02:16:55.000 Yep.
02:16:55.000 Right?
02:17:06.000 Like Chelsea's talked about this extensively.
02:17:09.000 It's like you can't keep it up.
02:17:11.000 It's not like a level of conditioning that you can keep up all year round.
02:17:14.000 You have to peek to it where you're like your body's barely hanging on.
02:17:19.000 And then you coast the last week to allow yourself to like recover and you're just kind of going through movements the last few days, and then on Saturday, under the bright lights, you're at 100% capacity.
02:17:31.000 I mean, they've been monitoring your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate and checking your blood and your heart rate variability and what your nutrient levels are.
02:17:40.000 You're fucking finely tuned for get in there and go.
02:17:45.000 And if you're not, if you didn't cover any of those bases, you're gonna know.
02:17:49.000 Right.
02:17:50.000 The back of your head, you're gonna know.
02:17:51.000 Like I'm gonna give it my best, but boy, I don't have a big gas tank, and I could have trained harder and I I'm I'm I'm I could so damn excited about this.
02:18:00.000 This seems like this uh uh the blind spot that still is there to be taken advantage of for preparing for peak performance.
02:18:09.000 Daryl Royal, coach of the University of Texas that won a couple national championships here at Texas and always said if you got twelve games in the year.
02:18:19.000 You can expect for your team to be at peak performance level.
02:18:25.000 Two Saturdays out of twelve.
02:18:28.000 You want to make sure that those two Saturdays are against the toughest teams.
02:18:32.000 You want to make sure that the other ones where they're like, ah, okay, they they did well, but they didn't play to their peak performance are against the good teams, and you want to do your best to make sure that the days that they're off, you're playing the shitty teams that you can beat, even when you're not really there.
02:18:46.000 That seems like so much more opportunity for that number to rise today to have a much higher number that you can be ready for peak performance.
02:18:55.000 Who are the best preparers in I don't know, MMA in your mind?
02:19:02.000 Well, all the champions when you get to a championship level, when you get to like Alishandre Pantojo, or when you get to uh, you know, Islam Makachev.
02:19:11.000 When you get to like that level, they're all you're at a championship level, they're all they all have impeccable pre preparation.
02:19:19.000 They're all Yes.
02:19:20.000 It's impeccable.
02:19:21.000 Impeccable.
02:19:21.000 So the the the team behind it's measured, it's time, this is Yeah.
02:19:26.000 They're all dialed in with diet, they're dialed in with their weight, they're dialed in with strength and conditioning, They're dialed in with their sparring.
02:19:33.000 It's impeccable.
02:19:34.000 You can't compete at a world class level today and not have that.
02:19:39.000 Okay.
02:19:39.000 It's not possible.
02:19:40.000 So physically?
02:19:41.000 Yeah.
02:19:42.000 Yeah.
02:19:42.000 Mentally.
02:19:43.000 Are these two different coaches?
02:19:45.000 Are these one case?
02:19:47.000 Some people don't have mental coaches at all.
02:19:48.000 Some elite fighters have no mental coaches.
02:19:51.000 Okay.
02:19:51.000 But some of them do.
02:19:52.000 Some of them, like we had this guy Brandon Epstein the other day that um he works with quite a few UFC fighters, and he's got a very specific protocol that he mentally prepares them for and he coaches them through things and and sets up like a way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself doing things and how you how you view your performance, like and to get you into a mindset where once you get into that octagon, you're locked into this pathway.
02:20:18.000 Instead of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcome you, which can happen to fighters.
02:20:23.000 But then there's other guys that don't have any coaches for that at all.
02:20:27.000 They just have the mindset already and they're comfortable with what they have and they just stay disciplined and just go in there.
02:20:34.000 It's it's very personal.
02:20:36.000 Because everybody's brain is different.
02:20:38.000 Everybody's they all have like different ways of expressing themselves, different ways.
02:20:44.000 How much is technology and diet and stuff helped?
02:20:47.000 A lot.
02:20:48.000 Yeah, a lot.
02:20:49.000 A lot.
02:20:50.000 Technology, um just understanding nutritional balances, understanding like when you do a nutrient analysis of your blood work, like oh, you're deficient in niacin, is this is your probably you're wearing down, you don't have enough B12 in your system, making sure you get the the correct amount of protein.
02:21:10.000 Like you can't you can't miss any of those things if you want to achieve peak performance.
02:21:16.000 You have to have everything, your hydration, your electrolytes, everything has to be dialed in.
02:21:20.000 Your sleep, which is one of the biggest ones.
02:21:23.000 Like this is like a lot of these young guys.
02:21:25.000 The problem is they still go out and party, they're still hanging out with girls till two o'clock in the morning and then they're at training at 8 a.m.
02:21:33.000 Like you can't do that and be a professional and expect to be world class or expect to beat the guys who are just as good as you but get that preparation.
02:21:41.000 They're gonna have an advantage.
02:21:42.000 Yeah.
02:21:43.000 Yeah.
02:21:44.000 You know, the argument of athletes, you know.
02:21:46.000 Well, who was better than or now?
02:21:49.000 What would they have done then?
02:21:50.000 Or what would this I I think that we've athletes have evolved and the athletes we have now are just better than athletes ever were.
02:21:59.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:22:00.000 They're bigger, they're more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific.
02:22:04.000 Um that they're just better.
02:22:05.000 That if they played in that time, they would be that much better then, even than they are now.
02:22:10.000 Yeah.
02:22:10.000 Seems to be I think we're just evolving that way.
02:22:13.000 They also have the benefit of watching people do it before them and do it really well so they aspire to that level and then to surpass that level, whereas those people were pioneers.
02:22:23.000 Larry Byrd didn't have a lot of people to watch play basketball before Larry Bird.
02:22:23.000 Yeah.
02:22:27.000 Right.
02:22:27.000 You know, there was a few, but you know, black and white footage.
02:22:30.000 It's not like you didn't see it every day, you didn't have it on the internet.
02:22:33.000 Now, kids, they could just watch every Jordan highlight reel, every time LeBron James has scored, every Steph Curry three-pointer.
02:22:41.000 They could watch it anytime they want, and then that is a level that they're aspiring to.
02:22:45.000 Right.
02:22:46.000 Think of all the football games that kids can watch now and analyze.
02:22:49.000 Think of all the fights that people coming up now that want to be a martial artist, they can watch.
02:22:53.000 And so they aspire to this level that has already been achieved by the greatest of all time, and then they want to surpass that.
02:23:00.000 Which is what human beings have always done athletically all throughout time.
02:23:00.000 Yeah.
02:23:04.000 We've always it's not like guys who broke records in the 1930s, we don't break those today.
02:23:09.000 Like those are not the same records.
02:23:10.000 Like those don't hold up.
02:23:12.000 We 100% get better.
02:23:14.000 From 90 years ago to today, there is no comparison.
02:23:14.000 Yep.
02:23:17.000 The athletes are far better.
02:23:19.000 And they're gonna continue.
02:23:20.000 90 years from now, I'll probably be, if there's humans, they'll probably be far better.
02:23:27.000 You know, experiments that have happened in the NFL.
02:23:31.000 You know, and uh, I think at these I think this is correct, but I was always a Washington, it was then the Redskins fan.
02:23:37.000 And uh I think it was nineteen eighty-six or nineteen eighty-eight, they had the heaviest offensive line, and they averaged two eighty-six.
02:23:46.000 Somewhere around there, those numbers.
02:23:47.000 Big fellas.
02:23:49.000 Right.
02:23:49.000 But compared to today, that would be the lightest.
02:23:52.000 Right.
02:23:53.000 Nuts.
02:23:54.000 And then Dallas, with Nate Newton and those guys had a point where they were going, oh, we're gonna get guys up to 330.
02:24:00.000 Oh, let's get them to 340.
02:24:02.000 And they peaked when the oh some of them got to 360.
02:24:05.000 The bone marrow, they were big, but they lost agility and speed, and then went, uh oh, we hit the ceiling. 0.95
02:24:10.000 We went past it.
02:24:11.000 We gotta come back.
02:24:12.000 Interesting.
02:24:12.000 These are the hogs.
02:24:13.000 There's the hogs. 1.00
02:24:14.000 Look at those.
02:24:16.000 Guy in the middle with the mustache.
02:24:19.000 Oh my gosh.
02:24:21.000 Joe Jacoby over here, 66.
02:24:23.000 Big fellas.
02:24:24.000 The hogs. 0.98
02:24:25.000 What a great name.
02:24:26.000 Yeah.
02:24:27.000 That's hilarious.
02:24:28.000 Um they hit the top of Dallas, it hit they hit they went too far.
02:24:33.000 Right.
02:24:34.000 So let's get bigger, and then all of a sudden agility went.
02:24:36.000 They went, uh oh, it's not 360, it's come way back, come back down.
02:24:40.000 Well, believe it or not, the UFC heavyweight division has a weight class.
02:24:43.000 You can't be over 265 pounds.
02:24:46.000 You can't?
02:24:47.000 No.
02:24:48.000 They have to wait to to fight for the UFC heavyweight title, you must weigh 265 pounds or below.
02:24:57.000 So you're 270.
02:24:59.000 You gotta lose weight.
02:25:00.000 You don't have you don't have to be able to get it.
02:25:01.000 You gotta weigh in.
02:25:02.000 It's happened before where guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight.
02:25:06.000 Tim Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight champion, had to cut weight to hit the 265 pound weight class.
02:25:13.000 He was so big that like 265 was a struggle for him to get down to.
02:25:20.000 Isn't that number gonna have to be able to do that?
02:25:22.000 Well, I would assume it should, but the problem is there's actually a heavyweight class above that that's super heavyweight.
02:25:28.000 Okay, but we've never had that in the UFC.
02:25:30.000 There's never been a single super heavyweight fight in the UFC.
02:25:33.000 Everything has always been inside the 265 pound weight class, which I think is real weird.
02:25:38.000 Where did that number come from?
02:25:40.000 I don't know.
02:25:41.000 The numbers are real weird anyway because there's giant gaps in them.
02:25:44.000 It's like one of the major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of weight classes.
02:25:49.000 So in boxing, there's weight classes all you got 126, 130, 135.
02:25:55.000 It goes 135 to 140, 140, 147, 147, 54.
02:26:00.000 With the USC, it's like 35, 45, 55, then it goes 70, 85, so you got a 15 pound weight difference.
02:26:08.000 And then it goes 205, so you got 20 pounds.
02:26:11.000 And then you got 265.
02:26:13.000 So that's 60 pounds for for heavyweight.
02:26:16.000 It's crazy.
02:26:17.000 The the gaps are just too big.
02:26:19.000 They're gigantic.
02:26:19.000 Right.
02:26:20.000 So that's a major problem with MMA in that there's less weight classes than there should be.
02:26:26.000 And then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas.
02:26:29.000 Like you should have no cap.
02:26:31.000 Heavyweight should be how big is this guy?
02:26:33.000 Like let him fight.
02:26:36.000 Yeah.
02:26:36.000 I mean, what about the mountain?
02:26:38.000 That guy from Game of Thrones.
02:26:39.000 If that guy had a fight in the UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight.
02:26:42.000 He's too big.
02:26:43.000 He's that guy's almost 400 pounds.
02:26:48.000 You know?
02:26:49.000 I thought heavyweight's like 265 and up.
02:26:49.000 Yeah, I never knew that.
02:26:52.000 250 and up.
02:26:53.000 Should be.
02:26:54.000 Whatever you want to come in with.
02:26:55.000 That's what it should be.
02:26:56.000 Yeah.
02:26:57.000 But there really should be a weight class around 225.
02:26:59.000 There's something like that.
02:27:00.000 What class would that be?
02:27:01.000 You just name a new class.
02:27:03.000 Well, boxing has something like that.
02:27:05.000 What is the boxing weight class that's like below heavyweight?
02:27:08.000 There's cruiser weight, but then there's a new one.
02:27:10.000 There's a recent one over the past few years that they've developed.
02:27:16.000 But that's one thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think, is providing fighters the correct weight class where they can compete in.
02:27:25.000 What is it called?
02:27:27.000 That's it, but they're about another one that they're calling.
02:27:31.000 They're calling it oh God, I can't remember the name of it.
02:27:34.000 Super cruiserweight.
02:27:36.000 Super cruiser.
02:27:38.000 Yeah, that's it.
02:27:39.000 I think they called it something different, though.
02:27:42.000 They had a name for it.
02:27:44.000 Eh.
02:27:45.000 Whatever.
02:27:46.000 Maybe not.
02:27:46.000 Maybe you'll find it.
02:27:47.000 But point is 265 is the limit.
02:27:50.000 So like Francis Nganu, when he was the heavyweight champion, he used to have a cut weight.
02:27:55.000 He had to lose weight to get down to 265.
02:27:59.000 And then how much is he putting on that last week?
02:28:02.000 He's probably putting another 10 on at least.
02:28:04.000 He's not losing a ton, but he's got to watch his calorie output.
02:28:08.000 He's a massive human.
02:28:09.000 I met him in Saudi Arabia.
02:28:11.000 That guy's so big.
02:28:13.000 He's so big.
02:28:15.000 That's a real tragedy that him in the UFC couldn't figure it out.
02:28:20.000 That bothers me a lot.
02:28:21.000 Because that guy was he was the scariest heavyweight champion of all time for sure.
02:28:26.000 He put guys in orbit.
02:28:27.000 He would hit them and you just go, oh.
02:28:30.000 It would hurt you like watching it.
02:28:32.000 You're like, oh no.
02:28:35.000 Yeah, all men are not created equal.
02:28:36.000 That's another problem with fighting.
02:28:38.000 No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how much intelligent you have you are, some people are faster and hit harder than you.
02:28:46.000 Right.
02:28:46.000 And you ain't gonna fix that in the gym.
02:28:49.000 You'll get a little better, but you're never gonna bridge that gap.
02:28:52.000 Yeah.
02:28:52.000 I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player.
02:28:56.000 Was that your dream?
02:28:56.000 Did you?
02:28:57.000 For a while.
02:28:58.000 How old were you with the other day?
02:29:00.000 I was young, and I was like, I'm gonna dunk.
02:29:03.000 And no matter how much this guy sitting here would have worked out and hustled now.
02:29:08.000 It's never gonna be able to dunk, bro.
02:29:09.000 Didn't have the innate ability, didn't have the DNA, didn't have the makeup.
02:29:12.000 I bet you could.
02:29:13.000 I bet you could over time.
02:29:15.000 I bet someone could teach you how to dunk.
02:29:18.000 I bet if someone got you on a like a serious training program when you're younger, right now it'd be uh it would be rough.
02:29:25.000 It would be rough on the tendons.
02:29:26.000 Yes.
02:29:27.000 Like a lot of stress.
02:29:29.000 When you get to be our age, it's like, huh, maybe you shouldn't be dunking.
02:29:32.000 How about take Duncan off the menu?
02:29:34.000 Well, that was whatever.
02:29:34.000 Yeah.
02:29:35.000 But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy, but it would, you know, it's not as easy as that.
02:29:40.000 Like for some people, they could just dunk.
02:29:42.000 Yeah.
02:29:43.000 Yeah.
02:29:44.000 Well, that thing about not everyone being created equal.
02:29:46.000 Yeah, you've got to have innate ability.
02:29:48.000 Oh, yeah.
02:29:49.000 And the hustle.
02:29:54.000 If you got both, and there's a lot of look, there's a lot of five-star players who don't have the hustle.
02:30:00.000 Yeah.
02:30:01.000 And then there's a lot of some of the most talented ones, right?
02:30:03.000 Because it comes too easy to them.
02:30:05.000 Yeah.
02:30:05.000 And some of the ones that aren't as talented, but just will not stop.
02:30:10.000 They will not stop pushing because they had to work harder for everything they ever did.
02:30:14.000 They have that extra gear, and that allows them to be champions.
02:30:14.000 Yeah.
02:30:17.000 I hear more and more CEOs saying, give me Johnny and Jane Hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph from Harvard.
02:30:34.000 Yeah.
02:30:35.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.
02:30:37.000 You mean this one that's ready to come hustle, that's ready to get scrappy, adapt, work, press the edges on the front and the back end.
02:30:46.000 Yeah.
02:30:47.000 Give me that.
02:30:48.000 And someone is all in.
02:30:49.000 Yeah.
02:30:50.000 You want someone who's all in.
02:30:51.000 You don't want someone who's like looking at the clock, wants to leave, someone is just like doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough.
02:30:58.000 You want someone who's like fully all in on their work.
02:31:01.000 Do you think there's been a there's theories about with AI coming that now more than ever that's what you need is the the one that's knows a little that has more of a liberal art education.
02:31:13.000 I know I know, I know I know a little about a lot of things, and I can hit many different avenues rather than be an expertise in one certain thing.
02:31:19.000 I mean it's like just what, six years ago.
02:31:22.000 You tour the campuses that were like computer programming.
02:31:26.000 That's what you want your job to be.
02:31:28.000 That's what we need.
02:31:29.000 Right.
02:31:29.000 No, you don't.
02:31:30.000 Now it's all done.
02:31:31.000 Totally.
02:31:34.000 So what specifics are the jobs or the creations or vocations that are gonna be out there for our youth here coming up that are gonna be like, that's how you're gonna make it.
02:31:44.000 I question the college education now.
02:31:46.000 I question the worth of it.
02:31:48.000 How much is it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to changing times and needs in the workforce?
02:31:54.000 And how much of it needs to be updated for getting young men and women prepared to go into the workforce.
02:32:01.000 Yeah, it's a good question.
02:32:02.000 I think it's really unknown territory.
02:32:05.000 And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that we uh never thought we were gonna lose.
02:32:11.000 Uh I think lawyers are off.
02:32:14.000 I think they're in trouble.
02:32:15.000 Coders are gone.
02:32:16.000 Accountants are gone.
02:32:17.000 Accountants are gone.
02:32:18.000 Yeah, it's gonna be really fucking weird.
02:32:20.000 It's gonna be really weird for Hollywood.
02:32:22.000 I mean, you've seen some of these these films that they've seen the old Star Wars that they're doing, they're remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke Skywalker.
02:32:31.000 Yeah.
02:32:31.000 Like when he was young, like when Luke Skywalker's they're doing completely new scenes that look exactly like HD versions of Star Trek Star Wars in 1975.
02:32:44.000 It's what it looks like.
02:32:45.000 But it's in HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice, so it sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker.
02:32:45.000 Okay.
02:32:55.000 It's bananas, man.
02:32:56.000 It's bananas.
02:32:57.000 There's a lot of weirdness With music, there's a lot of weirdness with literature, you're gonna have all sorts of AI.
02:33:06.000 So no one knows what's going to survive this.
02:33:09.000 I think I assume that a bunch of people at the end of the day are gonna get really sick of artificially created things and want something that they know was made by a person.
02:33:19.000 Whether it's a book that is made by a person or a song, like an Oliver Angular.
02:33:23.000 You think we're gonna want a tangible.
02:33:25.000 We're gonna want books.
02:33:27.000 Yeah, books are gonna be like, you know, some people just love vinyl.
02:33:31.000 Yeah.
02:33:32.000 They just love the pressing the needle down and hearing the crackle and that's that's what there's gonna be a lot of that still.
02:33:32.000 Yeah, love them.
02:33:41.000 People are gonna want to buy books from people that actually wrote the book.
02:33:45.000 They're gonna want to go to see a guy perform music in an actual club where you see the guy on stage, you know it's live.
02:33:52.000 The the there's always gonna be a desire for handmade things.
02:33:58.000 The guy made this table, I know them, you know.
02:34:02.000 But other than that, man, no one knows.
02:34:04.000 It's the unknown.
02:34:05.000 Because who no one knows what the capabilities of these things are gonna be.
02:34:09.000 Well, and the the the tech, the uh the AI tech companies keep saying, No, trust is a lot of jobs are gonna be lost, but AI is going to create so many other jobs.
02:34:21.000 But I haven't heard him anyone answer what those jobs are going to be.
02:34:26.000 Yeah.
02:34:26.000 I don't even think they know, honestly.
02:34:29.000 They don't even know why these things are so good at what they are good at.
02:34:32.000 They they they keep getting smarter and smarter and they blow them away.
02:34:36.000 Like Elon told me that every week he has like these new discoveries there.
02:34:39.000 It's like what this is crazy.
02:34:41.000 Every week we're blown away.
02:34:43.000 So they just it just keeps getting more and more capable.
02:34:46.000 They we don't know where this is going.
02:34:49.000 So if you're in college right now, like I mean it's so cliche to say follow your dream, but really do follow your fucking dream, because that might be the only thing that you've got.
02:35:00.000 Because if you think you're just gonna get a really good job in an industry that might be completely wiped out in three years by AI.
02:35:00.000 Right.
02:35:07.000 That's gonna a lot of people are gonna be going down that path.
02:35:11.000 A lot.
02:35:11.000 Yeah.
02:35:14.000 Is crime gonna go up?
02:35:14.000 Yeah.
02:35:20.000 What are these people gonna do?
02:35:22.000 I think it's universal basic income is probably the only way to solve, at least on the short term, where how we're gonna lose a lot of stuff.
02:35:30.000 Look at you, man, you got a lot of little tabs in there.
02:35:33.000 I do.
02:35:33.000 You're very organized.
02:35:35.000 You're very organized.
02:35:36.000 Well, yeah, but these are the ones that I thought could be cool com that that cool conversation starters for uh for us.
02:35:46.000 And we've kind of covered actually some of them.
02:35:48.000 Um you ever had anyone read poems on the show before?
02:35:51.000 Yeah, Lex Friedman.
02:35:52.000 Oh, there you go.
02:35:53.000 All right.
02:35:54.000 Uh you want to find a good one, we'll wrap it up with a great poem.
02:35:58.000 Yeah, man.
02:35:58.000 Let's go.
02:35:59.000 Do do do do do do do.
02:36:02.000 This book is out right now.
02:36:03.000 No, September the 16th.
02:36:05.000 Oh, okay.
02:36:06.000 September 16th.
02:36:07.000 Um This is a fun one that I wrote.
02:36:10.000 Um it's kind of based on uh um it's called it's based on extra credit, kind of when relying on fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we rely on the extra credit or participation trophies is where this one kind of started for me.
02:36:26.000 So I mean it it it's a fun one.
02:36:28.000 Uh and it might get us talking about something.
02:36:30.000 It's called tips included.
02:36:32.000 Okay.
02:36:34.000 When extra credit's included.
02:36:36.000 Credit doesn't get its due.
02:36:38.000 When more gives us less, the exchange rate's gonna skew.
02:36:43.000 When amnesty is offered going into the crime, we're more bound to commit it because there is no fine.
02:36:51.000 We start playing to tie instead of going for the win.
02:36:54.000 When participation's the trophy for every cow and the pen.
02:36:59.000 If I stay on the porch because you picked up the slack, when you look over your shoulder, I can't have your back.
02:37:06.000 If there is no curfew, we'll stay out all night.
02:37:08.000 No tab at our bar, we get drunk and start a fight.
02:37:11.000 All these long lenses got us losing our sight.
02:37:15.000 You keep lifting it for me, I'm gonna lose all my might.
02:37:18.000 When a four-star duty suits a six-star rate, we take our hands off the wheel and rely on fate.
02:37:25.000 Eating all we can at the all we can eat buffet gives us a 3.8 education and a 4.2 GPA.
02:37:33.000 We steal from ourselves and get away with the scam.
02:37:36.000 What's the measure of merit with less give a damn?
02:37:40.000 These unlimited options, mmm, they sure got me confused.
02:37:44.000 Well, all the conveniences keep me properly lubed.
02:37:48.000 In this red light district with the whore of inflation, the ROI's math don't pay for the vacation.
02:37:56.000 So let's just admit it, this extra credit's quite a fluffer.
02:38:00.000 Because when the tips included, the service will suffer.
02:38:05.000 That's great.
02:38:07.000 That's really good.
02:38:08.000 And dead on.
02:38:09.000 You fucking right on the head.
02:38:12.000 Perfect.
02:38:14.000 Yeah.
02:38:16.000 I got I think I came when my 11th place team got the same size trophy as the first place team.
02:38:22.000 And I was like, wait, they went 0 and 10, but the winning team went 10 and 0.
02:38:27.000 You kind of like saying, oh, the winning team went five and five and the losing team went five and five.
02:38:32.000 I I don't I don't get it.
02:38:36.000 Don't hurt you, don't hurt the feelings, don't lose, don't get told no.
02:38:40.000 Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes.
02:38:42.000 That's how you learn and grow.
02:38:43.000 And you can't protect anybody from that.
02:38:46.000 And that's the problem.
02:38:47.000 We want to do that with our children.
02:38:49.000 We love like I all my best friends, all my favorite people had terrible chaotic childhoods.
02:38:55.000 And they all became very interesting people.
02:38:57.000 But I don't want my kids to have a terrible chaotic childhood.
02:38:59.000 I want to have a like a wonderful love-filled, you know, bountiful childhood.
02:39:05.000 But that comes with well, I think they have to find things that they uh that they find that are difficult that they get engrossed with the they that they really love to pursue.
02:39:05.000 Yeah.
02:39:20.000 And fortunately my kids do that.
02:39:22.000 But I think they you have to have a struggle.
02:39:25.000 You have to have a task.
02:39:26.000 If you just want to like, oh, you get a trophy too.
02:39:29.000 Everybody gets a trophy.
02:39:30.000 It's okay.
02:39:31.000 No one there's no losers.
02:39:32.000 It got hard.
02:39:33.000 Okay, quit.
02:39:34.000 When my kids were real little, uh, one of my daughters was playing in a soccer game and they didn't they wouldn't say the score.
02:39:40.000 I'm like, but I know the fucking score.
02:39:43.000 I just watched, they lost.
02:39:48.000 You can't say there's no score.
02:39:49.000 This is so crazy.
02:39:50.000 But they were doing this in California.
02:39:52.000 They had like scoreless games.
02:39:54.000 I'm like, okay.
02:39:55.000 I mean, look at that.
02:39:56.000 But look, why are you trying to score then?
02:39:58.000 Yeah.
02:39:59.000 Why are you trying to score if you don't count it?
02:40:00.000 This doesn't make any sense.
02:40:01.000 This is soccer.
02:40:02.000 Soccer has a why has a gully trying to keep them from scoring.
02:40:06.000 Exactly.
02:40:07.000 What's the point of duly a little crazy?
02:40:08.000 Everybody why what's what are the rules?
02:40:10.000 Pick it up with your hands.
02:40:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:40:11.000 This is stupid.
02:40:13.000 If if you don't have a loser, you don't have a desire to get better to become a winner.
02:40:18.000 Yeah.
02:40:18.000 That's a part of the process.
02:40:21.000 Sometimes lose and they cry.
02:40:22.000 And by the way, if you don't ever go through that, then you don't understand how to lose, so you never develop a healthy ability to manage competitiveness.
02:40:33.000 Yep.
02:40:34.000 Amen.
02:40:35.000 Well, some people just never get that.
02:40:37.000 They they they never get healthy competition.
02:40:40.000 Makes for a very unhealthy person.
02:40:43.000 So you're not being able to just compete.
02:40:44.000 Well, especially once they leave the house.
02:40:47.000 Yes.
02:40:48.000 And they're on their own because the world sure plays by the rules and the score is kept.
02:40:52.000 Yes.
02:40:52.000 And you don't win everyone.
02:40:53.000 Yes.
02:40:54.000 No matter how good you are.
02:40:55.000 Yes.
02:40:56.000 And there's nobody coming back in to tuck you in bed and say it's okay.
02:41:02.000 Right.
02:41:02.000 Let's put some ice on it.
02:41:06.000 That wake up call.
02:41:07.000 That's cold.
02:41:08.000 It's cold blooded.
02:41:10.000 I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus.
02:41:12.000 It'll be out uh in October.
02:41:14.000 It's gonna be in theaters for a couple weeks and it goes on Apple and streams.
02:41:18.000 You remember the Paradise Fires in 2018 in Paradise, California?
02:41:21.000 Yes.
02:41:22.000 Yeah.
02:41:23.000 I think uh I think the number's 30 people or so died.
02:41:26.000 Um Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on MPR and went to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass, who's a director of Captain Phillips, uh United 93, um Black Sunday.
02:41:39.000 Um really good action director, but also with a good personal dramatic story in it.
02:41:44.000 And then they came to me for it, and there were a lot of heroic people uh that at that time that went ran towards the crisis instead of away from the crisis, but this one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher that uh um got twenty-two kids to safety was the story we picked to tell.
02:42:09.000 And um we went and shot it in Santa Fe.
02:42:11.000 This guy that uh this guy that I play is uh um oh here's the trailer.
02:42:20.000 Yeah, we're not listening to it.
02:42:22.000 Just tell me while those trailers going on.
02:42:24.000 Oh, okay.
02:42:25.000 So um this guy, Kevin in our story, comes back home because his dad has passed away and he's gonna take care of his widowed mother and try to reunite with his son, which by the way, check this out, you know.
02:42:38.000 My mom plays my mom, and Levi plays my son.
02:42:41.000 Oh, wow.
02:42:41.000 In a movie, man.
02:42:42.000 Your mom plays your mom.
02:42:43.000 That's cool.
02:42:44.000 Yeah.
02:42:44.000 So he comes back through that, and he gets a part-time job as a uh school bus driver.
02:42:49.000 He goes out that morning, there's a fire coming across the canyon, as they always do, no problem.
02:42:55.000 Uh you know, first responders head out.
02:42:57.000 Well, by the afternoon it got no out of hand and was jumping the canyon.
02:43:01.000 And so that afternoon, as he's now decided, oh shit, I gotta go back and get my mom and my son.
02:43:07.000 Neither one of them even drive, get them to safety on the way home, barging home to go barge down the highway to go get them.
02:43:13.000 A call comes through dispatch.
02:43:15.000 I got 22 stranded kids on the east side of town.
02:43:18.000 Is anyone over there with an empty bus?
02:43:20.000 guess who's got an empty bus fuck i want to go get my mom and my son man what But he takes the call and says, I go get him. 0.87
02:43:20.000 Whoa. 0.87
02:43:30.000 He goes and gets him.
02:43:32.000 A teacher, their teacher gets on the bus, and this is their story of about eight hours of going through hell and how and if they they got out of it.
02:43:41.000 And r really awesome adrenaline pumped action, which you're gonna get from Greengrass and a story like that.
02:43:48.000 Like the fire.
02:43:49.000 This is as good as a fire movie as there's been.
02:43:51.000 The fire is a fucking predator.
02:43:53.000 It's from the POV.
02:43:54.000 It's it's like Jaws.
02:43:55.000 The fire is actually like the shark in Jaws in this thing.
02:43:59.000 Plus a really cool story of redemption, fathers, sons.
02:44:03.000 Um, and uh, you know, two people doing what they can to survive when there were no there were no contact.
02:44:10.000 All the telephone towers are down and the dispatch was down.
02:44:13.000 No one had any contact.
02:44:14.000 So he didn't know if his mom and son were okay.
02:44:17.000 He didn't know where to go, where the traffic jams were.
02:44:19.000 And what happened is the first responders left early to go get the fires when they got there.
02:44:24.000 It had already jumped the canyon.
02:44:26.000 So when the they were coming back to town, the mandatory evacuation, the whole town's leaving.
02:44:31.000 It couldn't get back in town.
02:44:34.000 So it's uh yeah, it's a bit of a horror film in that way.
02:44:37.000 But um movie I'm gonna do.
02:44:39.000 Fire is predatory product, man.
02:44:40.000 Yeah.
02:44:41.000 That is what it feels like if you ever get stuck in one of those things.
02:44:43.000 Yeah.
02:44:44.000 It feels like a monster.
02:44:45.000 Yeah.
02:44:46.000 That sounds awesome.
02:44:48.000 That uh it's pretty good.
02:44:49.000 It's tough.
02:44:50.000 Tough movie, but a good one.
02:44:52.000 Beautiful.
02:44:53.000 Well, I can't wait to see it.
02:44:53.000 Yeah.
02:44:54.000 Cool, man.
02:44:55.000 Thank you for being here, man.
02:44:56.000 It was a lot of fun.
02:44:57.000 I really enjoyed it.
02:44:58.000 Thank you.
02:44:58.000 And that poem was awesome.
02:44:59.000 That was really good.
02:45:00.000 So dead on the head.
02:45:01.000 Thanks.
02:45:02.000 That's the best participation trophy poem of all time.
02:45:06.000 It's really good.
02:45:07.000 Uh the book is called There it is right there, Poems and Prayers.
02:45:13.000 Uh out soon, pre-ordered now.
02:45:15.000 Did you do the audio?
02:45:16.000 You did, right?
02:45:17.000 Of course you did.
02:45:18.000 You can't have an actor do your voice.
02:45:19.000 How dare you that would be impossible.
02:45:21.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:45:21.000 Okay.
02:45:22.000 Thank you, brother.
02:45:22.000 Appreciate you.