Comedian Joe Rogan returns to his old stomping grounds after 5 years in NYC. Joe talks about his move back to Long Island, his new comedy club, and what it's like to grow up in the late 80s and early 90s.
00:00:41.000It was real brick, but what they do is they take like um a mesh and then they take real bricks and they slice them thin, and then they put up the cement and they glue the real bricks in place.
00:03:49.000And just doing it locally in Long Island.
00:03:52.000And then I remember seeing ANE at the improv and seeing Chappelle on there.
00:03:58.000And I noticed that all the comics on Long Island that used to like be ahead of me and host the shows that I was doing the mics on and headlined all weekend.
00:10:04.000You know, because he's kind of a character.
00:10:06.000He's such a freak that when he's on stage, kind of anything is funny.
00:10:10.000Yeah, he like, like, you know who makes me mad, like when you say that, I finally just see what Will is because it's obvious to see what Cat Williams is.
00:13:19.000So he was in all these movies, like big movies.
00:13:24.000You know, he was never like a major star, but he's in these movies and TV shows.
00:13:28.000He was that generation, Like uh uh maybe a one and a half generations before us and he's a regular at the store and the first time Tommy sent me to do La Hoya, I used to feature but then Tommy booked me to headline La Jolla and told and I don't know if this guy knew he was supposed to feature,
00:13:53.000but when he got to the club, like when I first of all I brought a uh a date, so you're supposed to get the you're staying in the condo and you're supposed to get the the headliner bedroom.
00:14:27.000And then when we went to the store that night, and he found out like the host was on or the comic that they booked before, and then he walked out.
00:16:58.000One of the things about Dave is he was doing that New York thing where you get in a cab and you go from one club to another club.
00:17:04.000So he's doing like five, six sets a night.
00:17:06.000At one point, Tom, I forget who the record had who had the record of the most sets in a night, but dudes were up to like eleven, twelve sets a night.
00:17:22.000I was like, I don't want to do that's it's too stressful.
00:17:24.000Well, I think the guys who can do it are guys like Louie that could just sort of show up and just do a set and they just put him on any time she shows up.
00:17:32.000Which bumps me, which meets me late for my five sets.
00:17:37.000That's always what happens, but that's always why there's always in New York clubs, there's always a guy or two hanging around hoping somebody fucks up.
00:17:44.000And that that happens to a lot of I've got spots that way before where guys didn't show up.
00:17:49.000There's always that kind of a situation.
00:17:50.000That's how I got in the cellar the first time.
00:18:55.000If you could get in and you started getting spots and you started getting a name and people knew that you were an up and coming comic, you can get you know, you get some work.
00:19:03.000And then you can get work on the road too.
00:19:05.000You could do Long Island, there's a lot of gigs in Long Island, New Jersey, you can do Connecticut, everything's kinda close.
00:19:18.000I just wanted to do the city spots, the Carolines, the stand up New York, the cellar, the Boston, sometimes the strip once in a while, because then you could just hang out in one place afterwards and kick it with everybody and just laugh.
00:19:44.000And no matter how the gig went, you just like one sometimes it just do the do the upstate, tri-state, whatever gig it was, and then just head back, just storm right back to the state.
00:20:00.000So I did the uh New Year's Eve at the improv and then I drove from the the improv on Melrose after the show to hang out at the comic store afterwards.
00:20:18.000If I had a great gig somewhere on the weekend, it was fun because I bring guys like you or Joey or Ari, you know, we were all together having a good time.
00:21:14.000Guys would steal your bits and do 'em before you that were like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night, and then they do your bits on Friday.
00:21:32.000And they just saw some guy coming in from Boston and New York, and they just I'm gonna fuck him up.
00:21:37.000You know, and it was it's just comedy when you have a group of people like it was in New York or like it wasn't Boston or in LA, it's always so much more fun.
00:21:47.000If you're starting out and you're in like Pittsburgh, like how big's the scene in Pittsburgh.
00:21:59.000So even like Patrice, like, he had just dropped a special, but then he just went on this thing of like, I I forgot the type of material he was doing.
00:22:08.000But we confronted him about that shit.
00:27:45.000But it was also they were there to see me and they didn't know he was gonna be there, and they probably didn't even know what a comedy club was.
00:27:54.000You know, this is like if you know like this was probably more than ten years ago at least.
00:28:02.000But if you know comedy now though, I think was a YouTube, I think kind of like all you need now is to have a really good set and you could tour the whole world.
00:28:14.000Like James McCann, you know that dude from Australia.
00:28:19.000Very if I see him, I might know who he is.
00:28:52.000You have to be a part of these festivals, and these festivals, a lot of these festivals, like every year the artists will write like a new hour, you know, and it'll be like about a subject.
00:29:04.000They do those hours and after the year, they don't record those hours.
00:29:08.000There's so many comics in Europe, England, Australia, because I've been to those festivals that do their hour and then retire it after the last big festival.
00:29:20.000Because you could have like have a backlog of shit to like put online to catch people up with you to create views and they probably forgot how it works too.
00:29:30.000But they Yeah, they weren't doing that back then, but how do you retire something without at least having like one big record of it?
00:29:39.000Well, they have a weird system over there.
00:29:41.000Like I was talking to McCann about what the the festival system is like is like the festivals are kind of like the only thing in comedy.
00:29:49.000There's a few clubs, like there's a really good club in Melbourne.
00:30:19.000Like there's a bunch of different festivals that people go to, and when they go to festivals, like that's one of the things about like Scotland, when they do that Edinburgh, those guys, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, those guys they create a new hour every year.
00:31:39.000It can be this like educational experience for taking people on a journey through your life and how you've come to this to who you are right now.
00:33:15.000But uh sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody.
00:33:18.000It's good for us because we get a chance to fuck around and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that like there's a bunch of times you say something the first time, you're like, ooh, that did not sound good.
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00:38:47.000So they peak for for a competition, and then they get into the last week, and the last week they coast so their body gets a chance to recover.
00:42:49.000He goes, There's there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing you've ever said, and it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it.
00:42:57.000And it might be like the best part of a bit.
00:42:59.000You might have a like a new completely new tagline that comes in your head in the moment and it kills and it becomes like the main punchline of the bit.
00:43:12.000And then you I do have those moments when you're like, I didn't even remember saying that.
00:43:16.000This is the best thing I've said in months.
00:43:19.000Yeah, it's how nobody wants to do that extra, extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand up like ew.
00:43:34.000But you know, this is like I think one of the things that we're dealing with, and this is what we try to address at the club, is that there's there's never been like a curriculum of how to do stand-up.
00:43:46.000And there's one thing there's no one can really tell you how to do it because everybody has a totally different way of doing it.
00:43:54.000But at least we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we would we what we did wrong and why we think we did that, why it comes out clunky, and and then at the club, the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a bunch of spots.
00:44:12.000Like so there's two days of open mic nights.
00:44:15.000So you have two nights with open mic nights, and then you have the door people who are real comics who auditioned for the job with their act.
00:44:24.000So Adam has to watch their act and say, okay, you know, you've been doing this for X amount of years, you got real potential, and it's like you get a chance to watch Colin Quinn.
00:44:33.000You get a chance to watch Ian Edwards, you get a chance to watch Shane Gillis, all these great com you know, Jimmy Carr, all these great comedians are there all the time.
00:44:42.000It's like the greatest education and stand-up that you could ever get, and everyone's cool to you.
00:44:47.000Everyone's gonna be friendly, everyone's gonna answer questions, everyone's gonna and and then you got Kill Tony, which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in America today.
00:44:58.000Yeah, if you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute, you could change the course of your whole life.
00:45:12.000Changes the course of your whole life forever and ever.
00:45:16.000You where you you're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five, six years.
00:45:20.000You don't know if you could, you know, you're living in Seattle, the scene's not that good, and you say, fuck it, I'm gonna go to Austin.
00:45:26.000You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter.
00:45:29.000You get in your car, you drive all the way to Texas, you put in for one minute, you don't get up.
00:45:34.000You stay there, I'm gonna stay on Monday.
00:45:36.000You come back next Monday, you don't get up, you're like, oh my god, I'm running out of money.
00:45:40.000You start thinking I'm I should get a job, and then you get that one minute, and boom, you fucking kill, you fucking kill, and then you go home, you're like, oh my god, I'm doing it.
00:48:14.000But like for me, I'm a soccer snob, so I want to watch there's too many of the best guys playing all week.
00:48:21.000I think soccer's a different thing, though.
00:48:23.000I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress.
00:48:26.000And then there's a thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there.
00:48:31.000So there's like a lot of dudes that you just hear about.
00:48:34.000Like, I'll hear about it through the grapevine, like this guy trained with this guy, and he tells me that, and then he's fighting for LFA, and this is like his debut fight, and I watch, I'll go, oh shit, here we go.
00:48:44.000Because there's guys out there that you never even heard of.
00:49:06.000A lot of beast Russians, a lot of beast guys from Dagestan, and the beast guys from all the those fucking people from that part of the world are hard ass people, dude.
00:49:17.000I w I wanted to ask you about this one guy.
00:51:59.000And he did I one time that a few times, like two guys beat him, because he did go to the USC for a little bit towards the end of his career, and he did fight some K1 shit.
00:53:35.000I would say he might have ended his career like the like 2008, 2005-ish or something like that.
00:53:42.000Because I was like, when I was watching it, I was like, oh, I gotta start watching first fights, but then it got to like, oh, this this guy's retired now.
00:53:51.000And he was like, he retired like maybe like late 30s.
00:53:55.000Listen, there's a lot of guys like that, unfortunately, that are really good.
00:54:11.000You're using your body to try to break another person's body.
00:54:15.000And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness.
00:54:20.000You know, or take their legs out until they're they can't walk anymore.
00:54:25.000I I remember one time we went to a fight, and then uh I was like, hey Joe, why they uh you know, they walk to the ring together with their whole crew, and then right before they get into the ring, they hug everybody.
00:54:37.000And it's like I'm like, why are they hugging?
00:54:39.000They they they're gonna be right there outside of the octagon, and they're gonna be yelling instructions, and they were in the locker room together, but right before the person enters a ring, it's almost like a goodbye because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered.
00:58:26.000I was reading about Jerry Quarry yesterday.
00:58:29.000Jerry Quarry Was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten um his license back so he took three years he wouldn't fight in Vietnam and they took away his they took away his championship and they took away his license to box.
00:58:45.000He couldn't make a living for three years.
00:58:47.000And then he fought this dude, Jerry Quarry.
00:58:49.000And it looked like he had been on the couch.
00:58:52.000Like Ali didn't look like Ali anymore.
00:58:55.000Didn't physically look like Ali wasn't ripped.
00:58:57.000He looked he didn't look fat, but he looked kind of like physique that of old Ali.
00:59:03.000It changed the way he fought, honestly.
01:03:21.000I feel like because of his reputation and how many punches he's taken in his life in his career before this, you have to let this keep going.
01:06:16.000No evidence Mohammed Ali had his gloves changed mid fight to get extra time to recover.
01:06:20.000Rather, it's an urban ledger from his fight with Henry Cooper in 1963.
01:06:23.000Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bling bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention, but the controversy only extended the round break by a few seconds, and Ali went on to win the fight.
01:06:54.000Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning?
01:08:00.000Because he was a weird, weirdly shaped guy.
01:08:04.000Like he was tall, but he was like he was not muscular at all.
01:08:07.000But he was he looked like to see here.
01:08:10.000Well give me a Bob Foster KO highlights.
01:08:14.000I got on a whole rabbit hole the other night because I watched this one video about where they were talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching power was.
01:08:22.000And then I'm like, oh my god, I forgot.
01:08:25.000And then I went down a Bob Foster rabbit hole.
01:08:28.000And it's also the confidence in this video.
01:08:31.000He was talking about it take me one or two rounds and I'm gonna just knock him out.
01:11:18.000But also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters.
01:11:21.000Well, I guess he was as when he became a champ.
01:11:24.000The second time around, he definitely did.
01:11:25.000When he got into like Joe Frazier and Foreman and But I always wondered, man, if he didn't miss those three years, I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him.
01:11:35.000If he kept that up, like what he was versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams, and you add three more years, because I think Frazier became the champ after he retired.
01:11:45.000I just don't I don't think they beat that version of Ali, and we don't get the Jerry Quarry version if this Ali's not sitting on the couch for three years.
01:11:53.000But it also saved the brain damage for way later than it.
01:11:58.000Yeah, but maybe maybe it didn't, because maybe he wasn't agile anymore, so he took more brain damage.
01:12:03.000So he took more blows when he came back.
01:13:09.000I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they'd strip him of his title because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just crazy.
01:14:51.000Because he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything to managing him or if you were training him, like good luck getting the word in.
01:15:01.000I remember he was talking to uh uh Howard Cosell and Howard Cosell said, You sound very truculent, champ, he goes, whatever truculate means if it's good, I'm that.
01:15:59.000You know, and people a lot of people were mad at him, called him a traitor, but in the end, they all kind of realized like, oh, he was right.
01:16:07.000They realized they were on the wrong side of history.
01:16:09.000Yeah, because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that, I mean, there was Korea, but really people remember World War II.
01:17:27.000And Haraldo Rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talked to a guy, this military guy who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields.
01:18:43.000And he was uh either congressman or senator that figured out a way to funnel money.
01:18:49.000He knew Congress wasn't going to give like you know like we give we vote to have a package to go to Israel.
01:18:56.000So he w they weren't gonna vote to give a package to like help us fight or give money and weapons to Al Qaeda to fight the Russians in during their war.
01:19:11.000So then he figured out a way how to get funding and circumvent it to Al Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians.
01:19:20.000Because it it's all a part of the Cold War, right?
01:21:38.000But we you don't know what the real motivations are of war are until like the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over, and then ten years later somebody writes a book.
01:22:50.000You you are not supporting America and like half the country, just like you know, anybody today, like half the country's mad at you, and half the country loves you.
01:23:20.000Because even people like that back in the day where the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers in in real life, there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy.
01:23:29.000You know, there was always someone at the gym talking shit about that.
01:24:08.000Yeah, I think even yeah, even the chaos of that these people that shouldn't get all that attention getting attention, it's like bad for them.
01:24:30.000But also, like just as a black person growing up and watching the news, right?
01:24:38.000It always felt slanted and and against us anyway.
01:24:43.000And then somebody it was either Neil Brennan said this or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brennan, like a a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people already knew.
01:24:53.000You know, about like not trusting the cops all the time or the FBI all the time, or pharmaceutical drugs.
01:25:00.000Pharmaceutical drug companies all the time or yeah, they will drop a shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood and fuck it up and ruin it.
01:27:39.000You don't want to remember the Iraq war where you tricked people into going to Iraq because we got attacked on 9-11 by someone who was funded by the Saudis.
01:28:18.000Where I was like the it was like the only way to for people to find out how dumb people are, like the people that run the world, they don't know you.
01:31:41.000There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you you only look if you have to look at it like a psychopath, like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works, and if they'll explain it to you, you go, Oh, so that's what they did.
01:32:24.000And I was like, 20 years ago, I was like, how much people money do the people that got money want?
01:32:30.000And then now I still have that same question because I feel like those people should have had enough 20 years ago when I asked to be like, all right, let me just chill.
01:32:40.000It's probably a different set of people who are like they were 20 years ago.
01:32:45.000But like how much money do people want?
01:32:48.000And if you get all the money and nobody has anything, do you really have money?
01:32:51.000Because how are you gonna get more money from people that don't have no money?
01:33:27.000He's there to give internet access to people all over the world.
01:33:30.000He's there to make electric cars, he's there to make electric roofs, he's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring them back down and land.
01:33:38.000He's he's tr making things, and because of making things, he's the richest guy on earth.
01:34:35.000But so my question is, is there an equation, right, to prove that that that like our brains can't do it, but could somebody into money, is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace than war.
01:36:19.000If you're selling weapons, you want a war.
01:36:22.000You know, and those are the guys that are getting the giganto contracts, and then some guy comes in and he's like, I pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been.
01:37:37.000Bill Murray came in here, and um the same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon, he um wrote a book on John Belushi.
01:37:48.000And John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends.
01:37:51.000And so Bill said he read the first five pages and he was like, Oh my god, they framed Nixon.
01:38:41.000They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, they want to put them in jail.
01:38:46.000And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass, they were all eating mushrooms, they were all doing LSD, just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them.
01:40:17.000And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy and trying to get to the bottom of it.
01:40:25.000Why why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of Kennedy?
01:40:28.000Because he was worried they were gonna kill him.
01:42:07.000You know, when when that was exposed, and we learned, like, oh God, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret that's been around forever and the NSA has been running it.
01:42:17.000Like all that what Nixon was doing was just a version of that.
01:42:23.000Or not even Nixon doing, but what his what the the crime was was a version of that, listening in on your opponents.
01:42:29.000They probably all listen to each other now.
01:43:36.000That's uh could it be nonsense or it could mean something important, you know.
01:43:40.000Is this a legit like uh did they change the name of it?
01:43:43.000No, it's still called NASA as far as I know.
01:43:44.000Well, yeah, here the order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work.
01:43:58.000The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its sixty-seven year lifespan.
01:44:07.000Not to mention that science and exploration stuff.
01:44:10.000NASA watch founder Keith Cowing, former scientist and agency at the agency now closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a blog post there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spy craft.
01:44:26.000The order also added that NASA NASA to the Federal Service Labor Management Relations Statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation.
01:44:37.000The news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change.
01:44:52.000I wonder if this is because of private space companies.
01:45:29.000And when we watch movies and they they like looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie, like they're using they're t they're giving away kind of what's really happening.
01:47:56.000Not just people cancer, like anybody close to a golf course.
01:48:00.000There's there was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease, like that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course.
01:48:08.000And glyphosate was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German company, Bear.
01:48:30.000And they spray that shit on everything.
01:48:32.000Not only do they spray that shit on everything, they make certain plants, they were they're genetically designed to be resistant to roundup so you could spray more of it on the corn.
01:48:41.000And then the thing is they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out, apparently.
01:48:46.000That's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in, your system is totally unnecessary.
01:48:51.000They just do it to speed up the process.
01:49:15.000They're their objects the problem is corporations as as a entity, the way it's been established, the way it's set up, corporations as an entity always want to make more money.
01:49:26.000And when you always want to make more money, you figure out a way to make more money.
01:49:28.000And if you can bullshit your way into making more money at the other people's expense, that's what you do.
01:49:33.000And then you justify it and you have lawyers and you fucking keep people in court and you drag it out and then you you know you accept uh a small uh percentage of the profits that you pay off people with because they got damaged by your product and you keep moving.
01:49:47.000Because you're a piece of shit and you don't care.
01:49:56.000You spent so much money like with the lawsuits, uh-huh, keeping people in court.
01:50:02.000But I feel like you made more money than you s than you spent, but the money you spent could have been spent to make a good healthy product.
01:50:12.000So you wouldn't even have to depend on what you're talking about. 'Cause like if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no.
01:50:18.000The the way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you gotta do some shenanigans.
01:50:25.000You gotta do some shenanigans, you gotta mandate medications, and you gotta brainwash people into thinking that they should be on your side.
01:50:32.000And that if and then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization.
01:50:40.000Like come up with whatever fucking people are gonna die, your kids are gonna die, everyone's gonna be born retarded.
01:50:45.000You just find a way to get people to believe, and they'll just all climb on board.
01:50:50.000They'll all climb on board because uh a lot of people are cowards.
01:50:54.000And that's that's what happens in this world.
01:50:56.000And that's where it gets really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money and an enormous amount of influence, and then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows.
01:51:57.000Hey man, could I see it first before I give you the hundred dollars?
01:52:00.000He's like, no, if I open, rip away the plastic and open this box, and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because they won't it won't be new.
01:53:59.000Let me there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before.
01:54:03.000And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down, like damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit.
01:54:13.000And I got on the train, went to Will's crib, and then I got a ride home that night.
01:54:18.000So next morning my sister woke me up and I'm like watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it.
01:55:07.000But I'm worried that another one of those is coming.
01:55:11.000And the danger of that is obviously people are gonna die and obviously it could be horrific if something does happen, if a terrorist attack does happen.
01:55:24.000But the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences of what we do overseas, it means something here.
01:55:32.000It's not just it's not just a video on your phone.
01:55:36.000People are dying and we're funding it, and there's there's real evil in the world.
01:56:05.000And if it's pretending to be good and it's actually participating in evil, and then you you find out about it and you're like, well, what the fu this is like in 193, this guy, Smedley Butler, Major Dr General Smedley Butler, he wrote a book called War is a Racket in 1933.
01:56:26.000And he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people, but he was really there to make you know make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do.
01:56:36.000Control oil and control whatever minerals or gold or whatever the hell they were doing.
01:56:41.000But he realized at the end of his career, war is a racket.
01:57:14.000Well, They could just bro, they just got away with things back then.
01:57:18.000And now they have to hide it on layers and layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and money being flowed around and it's just it's all bullshit.
01:57:32.000And it's that bullshit is all over the news and everyone's confused, and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys.
01:57:41.000And the more people get scared, the more people start looking for white hats and black hats.
01:57:57.000You said it right, because it's it's a German word, because they they had puts in Germany.
01:58:01.000So it was a conspiracy in 33 in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator, a retired military corpse major general, testified under oath that wells wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt.
01:58:25.000In 34, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un American activities on these revelations, although no one was prosecuted, the congress prosecuted.
01:58:42.000The Congressional Committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.
01:59:30.000Like you say, I'm gonna uncover the truth, and you get into office and they're like, this is where your kids sleep, this is this is where your mom lives, this is uh yeah.
02:07:52.000I want to just wake up in the morning and have coffee on the porch and just hear birds chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by.
02:09:20.000And then people book me and then come see me.
02:09:23.000So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation, but in these 15 minute spots, build people see me, put you on this TV show, put you on that TV show, and like as a stand-up, as a like you know, like the improv or whatever, like stand-up show that they would have, and then because back then it's like a few late night show appearances, and then boom.
02:12:47.000It was it was pretty big, but it my point is like for me when they were saying it to me, I'm like, my show my social media presence is bigger than you.
02:14:31.000Oh symbolic billion year commitment, which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying lengths.
02:14:46.000Sometimes short term is just 2.5 years, but potentially extending to five years or more, and these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor loss.
02:14:56.000So the C org, if I think click on C org, I think he collects.
02:15:01.000That's where they're paying you a week.
02:17:59.000I don't know why you signed that deal.
02:18:01.000I don't know what the circumstances were.
02:18:03.000I don't know how those deals are even legal.
02:18:06.000Yeah, I don't know how if I got like my specialist coming out on YouTube, so I got there's there's a way for comics to do it without signing a big deal or signing everything away, giving it over to somebody for less than you showed, or even if it pays a uh a legit amount.
02:18:29.000There's you know it's not for a billion.
02:18:40.000You gotta put it out on YouTube, put it out on social media, someone has to retweet it, someone has to hear about it, talk about it on a podcast.
02:21:03.000And then I also read that he had been uh performing with the drifters and did the backup vocals at things like Dion Warwick or something like that.
02:21:11.000See that song to me is just proof that there's a lot of factors involved in making it.
02:21:16.000Because that guy should have been a fucking superstar.
02:23:59.000I didn't Get labeled because I don't know why.
02:24:03.000I kinda like my my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants.
02:24:08.000They they like, so you gotta work hard, you know what I mean?
02:24:11.000So you gotta like apply yourself and you this is uh they went out of their way to provide this opportunity.
02:24:19.000So I didn't want to blow it up to a certain point, but after a certain point, like I was gonna do comedy, which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do.
02:24:32.000But high school and college, uh like I didn't mind.
02:24:38.000Maybe around college, that's when shit started to get like a little wonky, but the high school shit, like, all right, I I I can get some good grades.
02:24:46.000That's I can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after, but then in college that's when shit like well then they're prepping you for the real world and you realize it's gonna be your whole day doing shit you don't want to do, and there's no joy in Mudville.
02:25:57.000Like the this there was a switch, and once you turned it on, that shit was broke, it couldn't go back the other way, and this is what we was doing.
02:26:41.000You know, there's a lot of people that there's a lot of different there's some demons are like they're not even dark demons.
02:26:47.000They're like gray demons, like depression.
02:26:51.000You can't be the demon of a dull depression.
02:26:53.000They don't they don't have the energy to write, they don't have the energy to perform, they don't have the energy to eat healthy, they don't have the energy to do shit, and then they just settle into a mundane life.
02:28:27.000Then I ran into him in Queens and he was kind of doing it, but it wasn't the same.
02:28:32.000Like the Muhammad Ali thing, he stopped training for enough years to like uh lose it all to not even be as good as the first time we saw him, which was his first time.
02:28:46.000One of the reasons why I talk about the way uh I approach things is because I think I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you and the little games that will be played in front of you where you have to make decisions of which way to go.
02:29:08.000And and if something went wrong, you gotta make decisions to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better.
02:29:13.000Like how what do I have to do to keep going?
02:29:20.000Some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover.
02:29:24.000They just they just they start drinking, they start eating too much, they start doing this, they start doing that, they get into a bad funk, they lose some money, they get into a toxic relationship.
02:29:36.000That's one of the big distractions that people do, and they don't even realize they're doing it.
02:29:40.000You're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship that you're in with this person where you yell at each other, and you know, you who knows.
02:29:50.000Who knows what your your particular brand of chaos is, but the one thing that it has in common, it's a gigantic distraction from you doing what you want to do in life.
02:29:59.000And you don't have your shit together, so you find someone else who doesn't have your shit together, and you pile all your shit together and make it way worse.
02:37:37.000And she's still gonna fight, but she's like, there's other things to life.
02:37:41.000I'm gonna like raise my son and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
02:37:46.000And then once she said there's other things to life, and I was like, you're in my head, just in my head, and you're a fighter, and just the way she said it and some other things, I was like, She shouldn't fight no more.
02:37:57.000And I watched all her fights after that, and I I she might have won one.
02:38:02.000But she yeah, she didn't she didn't and she would I can't remember her name per se, but I just remember her saying that.
02:38:10.000You're the king of that, not being able to remember leave us with mysteries.
02:38:22.000Yeah, it's a thing that you have to you have to either want to be a world champion, you have to want to be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman.
02:38:31.000And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a paycheck, it's a crazy way to make a living.
02:38:36.000But there are a lot of guys out there that they get to a point where they realize I'm never gonna be champion, but I'm still gonna make a lot of money, right?
02:38:43.000And I'm still gonna have some good fights as long as I don't have to fight any world champions, I can be successful 60% of the time, maybe seven, if you're lucky.
02:39:43.000Because if you don't do that, and then you run out of fighting and you run out of money and you're running options and you run out of ideas, you don't know what to do.
02:39:52.000That's a terrible see we we could do what we do.
02:40:26.000All the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails, the wheels fall off, and then you can't take a shot anymore, and you gotta get out.
02:40:33.000Yeah, I've seen it in boxing because that's the the combat sport that I've watched the most growing up.
02:41:45.000But the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life.
02:41:50.000Even if he never got hit with that last punch, if he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision, you know, and no.
02:41:59.000If they did that, he still is never the same again.
02:42:17.000And you see them at the airport and like one eye is completely shut.
02:42:21.000They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open, their arms in a sling, and they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up they can barely walk.
02:42:31.000And you see him get on the plane, you're like, whoa, they got sunglasses on and shit, and they're just and everybody's like, that's like a fire last night.