The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2383 - Ian Edwards

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00:00:14.000 Sup, son.

00:00:16.000 How is it possible that you haven't been here in the five years I've been living here?

00:00:20.000 Oh, shit.

00:00:20.000 It's been five years.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:22.000 It's been five years.

00:00:23.000 That's pretty fucking crazy.

00:00:24.000 That's crazy.

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:00:27.000 It doesn't.

00:00:27.000 I like it though.

00:00:28.000 Thank you.

00:00:29.000 It's like uh sh it's got the sauna walls and shit.

00:00:33.000 It's very close to what the old one was instead of brick, we went with wood.

00:00:37.000 Because though we were kind of faking it with the brick in the old place.

00:00:39.000 It was fake brick.

00:00:40.000 It wasn't fake brick.

00:00:41.000 It was real brick, but what they do is they take like um a mesh and then they take real bricks and they slice them thin, and then they put up the cement and they glue the real bricks in place.

00:00:53.000 Okay.

00:00:53.000 But it's not really a brick wall.

00:00:55.000 It just looks like a brick wall.

00:00:57.000 I feel like a real brick wall should only be the the only brick wall that you show.

00:01:02.000 Right.

00:01:03.000 You sh like I went to a pool hall the other day and they had a plastic brick wall, and I got deeply disappointed.

00:01:08.000 Like I touched it, I was like, oh, this is a fake brick wall.

00:01:13.000 This is bullshit.

00:01:14.000 This is plastic.

00:01:15.000 Yeah.

00:01:16.000 I mean, it's it's a push to have like a half fake brick wall.

00:01:21.000 But to have like a plastic brick wall.

00:01:22.000 That's that's you're going to be able to do that.

00:01:23.000 Did you just leave the pool hall?

00:01:25.000 Like fuck this place.

00:01:26.000 No, I didn't.

00:01:27.000 No.

00:01:27.000 No, I'm a junkie.

00:01:29.000 But the the brick used to bother me that it was fake brick at the end of the studio.

00:01:34.000 I'm like, we're kind of bullshitting here.

00:01:35.000 Some people have like uh some comedy clubs or somebody fake a comedy spot.

00:01:40.000 They'll have the it's just a sheet.

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:42.000 Like a it's not a curtain, but a brick sheet.

00:01:45.000 A brick sheet.

00:01:47.000 Like, bro, just what what you got back there?

00:01:49.000 Let's just show that.

00:01:49.000 Just show whatever's back there.

00:01:51.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 It's weird how that became the backdrop for a comedy club, a brick wall.

00:01:55.000 Why?

00:01:55.000 It's a good question.

00:01:56.000 I don't know when it starts.

00:01:58.000 Maybe it started with evening at the improv.

00:01:59.000 What was evening at the improv's backdrop?

00:02:02.000 Was that a brick wall?

00:02:03.000 It might have been that simple.

00:02:05.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 Because back in the 1980s.

00:02:08.000 Was it?

00:02:09.000 Aha.

00:02:09.000 Look at that.

00:02:10.000 That's it.

00:02:12.000 It makes it wonder Ellen. 0.97

00:02:13.000 It makes me wonder if that wall is real.

00:02:16.000 Look at that picture of Ellen. 0.98

00:02:17.000 That's crazy.

00:02:18.000 That's crazy.

00:02:21.000 Wow.

00:02:23.000 Wow.

00:02:24.000 When I started uh doing comedy, I used to go to the comic strip and they had a brick wall too.

00:02:30.000 And uh to get on stage at the comic strip, you had to come the first Friday of every month and try to pick a number.

00:02:39.000 And if you got a number, they had like a lot of things.

00:02:42.000 It was like all these open micers lined up down the street.

00:02:45.000 Mm-hmm.

00:02:45.000 And then dreadlocks Ian's days.

00:02:48.000 This is pre-dreadlocks.

00:02:50.000 You didn't have dreadlocks?

00:02:51.000 Nah.

00:02:52.000 I might have had like twist and shit.

00:02:57.000 Please don't find none of those folks.

00:02:59.000 How long have I known you?

00:03:00.000 Like 30 years or something.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, we've known each other 30 years.

00:03:03.000 That's crazy.

00:03:04.000 Wow.

00:03:05.000 We were a little babies.

00:03:06.000 Yeah.

00:03:07.000 Little babies.

00:03:08.000 Doing the Boston.

00:03:09.000 Yep.

00:03:10.000 Yeah.

00:03:10.000 It's crazy when I like how not how, but we just had no fucking idea.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 Like how all this shit would turn out.

00:03:19.000 No idea.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 With no idea even how it all worked.

00:03:23.000 Right.

00:03:24.000 You know, you just taking chances on stage, trying to figure out what's funny, and then trying to get work.

00:03:30.000 Trying to get work on the road.

00:03:32.000 I just knew once I had the inclination to do it.

00:03:37.000 The moment I had the inclination to do it, I said, Oh, I'm doing this for the rest of my life.

00:03:41.000 Like that, once that moment hit, so then all bets on everything else was off.

00:03:46.000 And I just started just doing it.

00:03:49.000 And just doing it locally in Long Island.

00:03:52.000 And then I remember seeing ANE at the improv and seeing Chappelle on there.

00:03:58.000 And I noticed that all the comics on Long Island that used to like be ahead of me and host the shows that I was doing the mics on and headlined all weekend.

00:04:11.000 Excuse me.

00:04:11.000 All weekend in Long Island.

00:04:13.000 None of those comics were on TV.

00:04:15.000 So I was like, I gotta get to Manhattan.

00:04:17.000 Like all the comics that were on TV were in Manhattan.

00:04:21.000 I felt the exact same way.

00:04:23.000 Living in Boston.

00:04:24.000 All these guys I knew that were so funny, but none of them were on TV.

00:04:27.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 But the thing is, like I knew that the people that were on TV, then they could go anywhere.

00:04:32.000 Once you're on TV, then you could go to Kansas.

00:04:35.000 You could go to Miami.

00:04:36.000 You can go anywhere.

00:04:37.000 But if you weren't on TV, man, you nobody was gonna come pay to see you.

00:04:41.000 It was a risk.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:42.000 You know, you're out with your wife, you got a date night, like take a chance on this motherfucker.

00:04:47.000 I don't know.

00:04:48.000 Look at his face, his stupid fucking dreadlocks.

00:04:51.000 Like Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:04:54.000 I was on TV, fam.

00:04:58.000 It's weird though, right?

00:04:59.000 Like nobody nobody knew.

00:05:01.000 Nobody I I feel like we knew though.

00:05:03.000 Like inside.

00:05:05.000 Like we had some type of blueprint because we'd seen like successful comics.

00:05:10.000 Yes.

00:05:10.000 But to go from like so and I came here, moved to America for last 17 from Jamaica.

00:05:18.000 So I when I started watching TV, I didn't know anybody on TV.

00:05:21.000 Oh wow.

00:05:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:23.000 Well is that like anybody on TV.

00:05:25.000 So like what do you remember the first shows you saw?

00:05:28.000 First shows.

00:05:29.000 Well, they have American shows on TV in Jamaica.

00:05:32.000 We had one channel back then.

00:05:33.000 Uh-huh.

00:05:34.000 Was it one?

00:05:35.000 We had one.

00:05:36.000 And then uh so when I came here, I watched SNL because Eddie Murphy was on that shit.

00:05:42.000 So that was uh a requirement.

00:05:45.000 That's always watching that.

00:05:46.000 Now I finally can figure out how old you are.

00:05:49.000 Because you lying motherfucker, you won't tell anybody how old you are. 0.97

00:05:53.000 I don't lie, I just don't tell.

00:05:55.000 It's two different things.

00:05:56.000 It's two different things.

00:06:00.000 I might run past the question.

00:06:02.000 I tricked you with that Eddie Murphy line.

00:06:04.000 He was only on for two seasons.

00:06:06.000 I gotcha.

00:06:07.000 That's hilarious.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, but I was five years old.

00:06:11.000 Was uh Eddie Murphy on for two seasons or one season?

00:06:15.000 I think he was out for two seasons, if I'm guessing.

00:06:22.000 Why didn't it say when I doesn't say?

00:06:25.000 Oh, more.

00:06:26.000 Uh four.

00:06:28.000 Was he really?

00:06:28.000 Oh, you got a little room for error.

00:06:30.000 I got a little room for error.

00:06:31.000 Oh, always got a little room for error.

00:06:34.000 Come on, man.

00:06:35.000 So that's three years.

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 So you did the 84.

00:06:37.000 Oh, he did the 81 and 84?

00:06:39.000 Yeah, 80.

00:06:39.000 Oh, season 81.

00:06:41.000 80, 81, 82, and 83.

00:06:42.000 So four seasons.

00:06:43.000 So he put in his time.

00:06:45.000 There's like uh, you know, I was saying about Cam Patterson getting on SNL now.

00:06:49.000 Right.

00:06:50.000 He might be the first guy in a long time to become a movie star from that.

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 Because it kind of went away.

00:06:57.000 Kind of went away.

00:06:58.000 You know, in the Mike Myers days and Phil Hartman and obviously Adam Sandler and like everybody became a movie star from David Spade.

00:07:07.000 They all became movie stars.

00:07:08.000 But then that kind of stopped.

00:07:10.000 You know?

00:07:11.000 And they kind of did it to themselves with all that woke bullshit.

00:07:14.000 Like they're kind of like they killed comedy movies.

00:07:17.000 Or they just pick somebody funny.

00:07:19.000 Like there's people they overlook all the time that we know are funny.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 That could be on that show.

00:07:24.000 So it's good that they picked Cam.

00:07:26.000 I'm gonna say some positive derogatory shit about Cam.

00:07:29.000 That's number one.

00:07:32.000 Fuck Cam number one.

00:07:34.000 Fuck Cam.

00:07:35.000 I remember the first time I saw Cam.

00:07:38.000 And I saw Cam.

00:07:40.000 We were at what's what's what's the the that room on six?

00:07:48.000 The Vulcan?

00:07:49.000 The Vulcan.

00:07:50.000 Yeah.

00:07:50.000 So I think I just did your room, then I went to the Vulcan, and then they don't and uh what's his name?

00:07:59.000 Like you're next, and then Cam was to the side, so then I knew he was next.

00:08:03.000 It was like the unknown show.

00:08:05.000 Uh-huh.

00:08:05.000 So then I bring him up and I watch him, and then I had a tag for him.

00:08:10.000 And I said, I'm gonna give you this tag after you got off stage.

00:08:12.000 I'm gonna give you this tag, but it's only gonna make you better than me, and you're gonna get picked up and advanced.

00:08:18.000 I could just tell.

00:08:20.000 I was angry and I loved him at the same time.

00:08:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:25.000 Somebody just got it, and then I fuck this guy.

00:08:29.000 They got it.

00:08:30.000 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 You gotta celebrate it.

00:08:31.000 You gotta celebrate it because we got into this as fans.

00:08:35.000 You got in this fans.

00:08:36.000 And if someone's funnier than you, you gotta go, goddamn, he's funny.

00:08:39.000 It it'll inspire you to work.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:41.000 And you can give be funnier than you are, but you can only be so funny.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, but this is how crazy it got.

00:08:46.000 So then two months later, I'm in LA.

00:08:50.000 I see him at the store, and I said, What's up, man?

00:08:53.000 You in town, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:54.000 I say, Yeah, I'm here with my manager.

00:08:56.000 It's my manager.

00:08:58.000 Your manager's managing him.

00:09:00.000 Oh my gosh.

00:09:01.000 I was like, I knew it.

00:09:02.000 I knew it.

00:09:03.000 Meanwhile, your manager's been ducking your calls.

00:09:08.000 Sorry, I'm on a jet with Cam.

00:09:11.000 Tell you soon.

00:09:12.000 Yeah.

00:09:13.000 All's great.

00:09:14.000 But that's how close the parallels were.

00:09:17.000 But that's a good thing.

00:09:17.000 The motherfucker's funny, man.

00:09:19.000 He makes it look easy.

00:09:20.000 He works hard.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, and he works hard.

00:09:21.000 He works hard.

00:09:22.000 He's always working.

00:09:23.000 He's always on stage.

00:09:24.000 He's he does that one minute, one new minute of Kill Tony every week.

00:09:28.000 That's hard to do.

00:09:29.000 That's hard to do.

00:09:30.000 It's very hard to do.

00:09:31.000 Like you have to sit down and work on shit.

00:09:33.000 You have to.

00:09:34.000 I mean, the guys who excel at it, like Ari Maddie, Hans Kim, him, those guys, like they fucking work hard.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:41.000 You know, and a bunch of people did it for years and years and years.

00:09:45.000 Like William Montgomery is probably he's but I think he's the longest running guy ever.

00:09:50.000 Right.

00:09:50.000 But he's such a maniac, he can get a minute out of anything.

00:09:53.000 Right.

00:09:54.000 You know, he can get a minute out of coffee.

00:09:56.000 Going and getting some coffee.

00:09:57.000 It's like a big part of who what his comedy is is just his personality.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:03.000 Which is great.

00:10:04.000 Uh-huh.

00:10:04.000 You know, because he's kind of a character.

00:10:06.000 He's such a freak that when he's on stage, kind of anything is funny.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, he like, like, you know who makes me mad, like when you say that, I finally just see what Will is because it's obvious to see what Cat Williams is.

00:10:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:10:22.000 Like, and it's it's a part of him and it's his voice.

00:10:25.000 And it's like a c I call it a comedy cheat because I don't have it.

00:10:28.000 Right, right, right.

00:10:29.000 But like they're gonna talk, it's gonna be funny.

00:10:31.000 Then if they add some writing to it, then you don't stand a chance.

00:10:34.000 Joey Diaz is on it.

00:10:36.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:10:36.000 Joey D is the ultimate version of that.

00:10:38.000 That motherfucker is funny the moment he grabs the come on, God gave him that.

00:10:42.000 Just look at everything about him.

00:10:45.000 Everything about him.

00:10:45.000 He's just walking comedy.

00:10:47.000 Yeah.

00:10:47.000 And he's fearless.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, and he's fearless.

00:10:50.000 And so he's he looks like that and he talks like that, and he gets on stage, like, oh, it's over.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, it's all right.

00:10:54.000 It's like you're a force.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:57.000 It's like if you you give your mind up to him, like to think for me.

00:11:01.000 Let me take me on a journey.

00:11:03.000 Take me on a journey and think for me.

00:11:05.000 But Theo's got that a little bit too.

00:11:07.000 Yeah, you know.

00:11:08.000 And and we saw Theo develop that.

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.000 Like through the years, and then he just started like he just hit one time.

00:11:15.000 Drifting off and just getting to that place where you just constantly just saying shit.

00:11:21.000 And it kind of makes sense even if it doesn't.

00:11:24.000 Right.

00:11:24.000 And it resonates, like Brody.

00:11:26.000 Brody, yeah.

00:11:27.000 Another good example.

00:11:28.000 Brody was just funny.

00:11:29.000 He went 818 to lie.

00:11:32.000 He'll die and laughing.

00:11:34.000 No one even knows why they're laughing.

00:11:36.000 Right.

00:11:36.000 They're laughing at that.

00:11:37.000 He's talking about the area code for the valley outside of LA.

00:11:43.000 It's just like celebration of mediocrity in second place.

00:11:47.000 Hilarious.

00:11:47.000 You know?

00:11:48.000 And it was it, Roseda?

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 Of all places.

00:11:54.000 He was the best at that.

00:11:56.000 He was so infectious.

00:11:58.000 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 Like his his comedy was infect.

00:12:00.000 It would infect you.

00:12:01.000 And you'd be in the parking lot, like repeating his lines.

00:12:04.000 It was so fun.

00:12:05.000 Yeah.

00:12:06.000 I would play this game with Brody where I just treat him like an open mica. 1.00

00:12:14.000 And he would just play along.

00:12:16.000 I was like, keep going up, kid, man.

00:12:19.000 You're gonna get better spots.

00:12:20.000 Don't worry about it.

00:12:20.000 He's like, I thank you, sir.

00:12:22.000 You're good.

00:12:23.000 Yeah.

00:12:24.000 And we do just do it.

00:12:26.000 He just went with it.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, when we were starting out, like both of us were like, when I met you, we're just past the open mic or just starting a work stage.

00:12:35.000 We're both kind of like in the same thing.

00:12:37.000 And that's such a weird stage because you kind of no one knows what's gonna happen.

00:12:41.000 No one like there's a lot of dudes that we used to do comedy with back then that I thought were really good, and they just vanished.

00:12:48.000 Yeah.

00:12:48.000 They vanished.

00:12:49.000 They went out and got regular jobs and they gave up.

00:12:52.000 And that's scary to me.

00:12:54.000 Because uh I never want that to happen to me.

00:12:58.000 Boy, when it does happen, it's never happy.

00:13:01.000 Yeah.

00:13:02.000 The guys that I know that do that, they always get weirdly bitter.

00:13:06.000 Weirdly bitter, like sinister.

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 They want you to fail.

00:13:10.000 They do not want you to make it.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, and I I I don't want that to happen to me.

00:13:14.000 I had an incident with I don't even know if I should say his name because I feel bad.

00:13:17.000 You don't have to say his name.

00:13:19.000 So he was in all these movies, like big movies.

00:13:24.000 You know, he was never like a major star, but he's in these movies and TV shows.

00:13:28.000 He was that generation, Like uh uh maybe a one and a half generations before us and he's a regular at the store and the first time Tommy sent me to do La Hoya, I used to feature but then Tommy booked me to headline La Jolla and told and I don't know if this guy knew he was supposed to feature,

00:13:53.000 but when he got to the club, like when I first of all I brought a uh a date, so you're supposed to get the you're staying in the condo and you're supposed to get the the headliner bedroom.

00:14:07.000 Shit was in there.

00:14:09.000 You know, so I had to take the You said his name.

00:14:12.000 Ah shit.

00:14:13.000 I didn't say his last name though.

00:14:15.000 Please bleep it out.

00:14:16.000 Bling let's call him bling.

00:14:20.000 Let's call him bling.

00:14:22.000 So Bling shit was in the headliner bedroom.

00:14:26.000 Mm-hmm.

00:14:27.000 And then when we went to the store that night, and he found out like the host was on or the comic that they booked before, and then he walked out.

00:14:40.000 Oh no.

00:14:40.000 He walked out.

00:14:41.000 He said, I'm headlining.

00:14:44.000 So then the guy that ran the store, I think it was Ryan at the time.

00:14:46.000 I don't know if he was there.

00:14:47.000 He was like, just go up and we'll pay you the he headline.

00:14:52.000 And I was like, fine, I'll I'll feature.

00:14:54.000 I don't care.

00:14:55.000 And you pay me the headline, and then Barry went and came back in and went up all weekend.

00:15:01.000 That's how it was.

00:15:01.000 But it was like that that bitterness that I and I That's so crazy.

00:15:05.000 And I feel yeah, I f I I feel bad, but I like that's why I stay on stage, I'm be like, I'm I am not gonna let that happen to me.

00:15:13.000 You feel me?

00:15:14.000 Yeah, a lot of people slack off, man.

00:15:17.000 They they just they lose their enthusiasm.

00:15:20.000 I think he had a lot of other problems too though.

00:15:23.000 And he's also from the era where they don't write new material.

00:15:27.000 And they do a lot of cocaine.

00:15:29.000 da da da da da da There was an era where those dudes cooked their brains.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.000 So yeah.

00:15:39.000 Yeah, the things pass you by if you don't keep up.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:43.000 Or you have to let 'em pass you by.

00:15:44.000 If you say, Yeah, I'm good.

00:15:46.000 Right.

00:15:46.000 I had a good time.

00:15:47.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:48.000 You can do that too.

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 But the thing is, like those guys that that go and get regular jobs, maybe they're better off than the guy who's now middling for you.

00:15:58.000 Right, right.

00:15:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:00.000 Because that guy's probably been phoning it in for a decade and a half.

00:16:04.000 He might not have the juice left to like reignite what made him funny in the first place.

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 That's when I feel like I'll just leave.

00:16:12.000 I still got like a competitive spirit.

00:16:14.000 I feel like uh I haven't gotten to where I want to.

00:16:18.000 And I also like that space I was just talking about, like where you just stream of consciousness space.

00:16:25.000 Like, I'm kinda wanna get to that.

00:16:28.000 Where you could just like go on stage and watch the tape afterwards.

00:16:34.000 I said that, I did that.

00:16:35.000 Right.

00:16:36.000 That oh that that that works.

00:16:37.000 That just click.

00:16:39.000 I just want to have get to that.

00:16:41.000 You know where that comes from?

00:16:42.000 Where massive stage time.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 Massive amounts of stage time.

00:16:45.000 The guys who have the best timing and the best, like Davidel, perfect example.

00:16:51.000 That dude's got so much stage time under his belt.

00:16:55.000 Yeah.

00:16:55.000 So much stage time.

00:16:56.000 And so many different places.

00:16:58.000 One of the things about Dave is he was doing that New York thing where you get in a cab and you go from one club to another club.

00:17:04.000 So he's doing like five, six sets a night.

00:17:06.000 At one point, Tom, I forget who the record had who had the record of the most sets in a night, but dudes were up to like eleven, twelve sets a night.

00:17:14.000 I don't even know how you manage it.

00:17:16.000 I I did seven one time in the city and I barely made any of them.

00:17:20.000 And I'm like, I'm gonna get fired.

00:17:21.000 They're not gonna book me again.

00:17:22.000 I was like, I don't want to do that's it's too stressful.

00:17:24.000 Well, I think the guys who can do it are guys like Louie that could just sort of show up and just do a set and they just put him on any time she shows up.

00:17:32.000 Which bumps me, which meets me late for my five sets.

00:17:36.000 Exactly.

00:17:37.000 That's always what happens, but that's always why there's always in New York clubs, there's always a guy or two hanging around hoping somebody fucks up.

00:17:44.000 And that that happens to a lot of I've got spots that way before where guys didn't show up.

00:17:49.000 There's always that kind of a situation.

00:17:50.000 That's how I got in the cellar the first time.

00:17:52.000 Oh, really?

00:17:53.000 Yeah, that's funny.

00:17:54.000 I forgot his name.

00:17:55.000 Something Schaefer used to wear Blazer and used to bark for the Boston.

00:18:00.000 You might have been in LA by then.

00:18:02.000 Schaefer.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, Louis Schaefer, I think.

00:18:04.000 Okay.

00:18:05.000 And so then he'd used to get people into the Boston.

00:18:08.000 Oh, he used to bark like in front of the you were you're saying it's like bringing people in off the street.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, and he was really good at the same time.

00:18:14.000 No, but he he was a comic too.

00:18:15.000 I thought you were saying bark on stage.

00:18:16.000 I was so confused.

00:18:17.000 No, no, no.

00:18:19.000 Don't expect me to complete most of my sentences.

00:18:21.000 This is yeah.

00:18:22.000 That's it's asking too much.

00:18:23.000 He's asking too much.

00:18:25.000 So um so what were you saying about him?

00:18:27.000 So he was at the cellar doing the same thing, and he already worked at the Boston around the corner.

00:18:34.000 And then I was just going over to the cellar to hang, and he was like, Somebody's missing.

00:18:39.000 Do you want to go up?

00:18:40.000 Oh.

00:18:41.000 And I was like, Bet.

00:18:42.000 And I went up, and then SD, he told SD, I don't know if they were recording back then, but she just started giving me spots.

00:18:49.000 Oh, that's great.

00:18:50.000 Yeah.

00:18:51.000 That was uh the uh the good thing about New York was that there was a ton of spots.

00:18:55.000 Right.

00:18:55.000 If you could get in and you started getting spots and you started getting a name and people knew that you were an up and coming comic, you can get you know, you get some work.

00:19:03.000 And then you can get work on the road too.

00:19:05.000 You could do Long Island, there's a lot of gigs in Long Island, New Jersey, you can do Connecticut, everything's kinda close.

00:19:12.000 Everything's not close.

00:19:14.000 But here's the thing.

00:19:15.000 Once I got in the city, I didn't want to go anywhere else.

00:19:17.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:18.000 I just wanted to do the city spots, the Carolines, the stand up New York, the cellar, the Boston, sometimes the strip once in a while, because then you could just hang out in one place afterwards and kick it with everybody and just laugh.

00:19:34.000 Right.

00:19:34.000 So then sometimes I'd have like a college that paid way more money, and I'd be like, fuck, I ain't gonna be in the city.

00:19:42.000 This is a terrible weekend.

00:19:44.000 And no matter how the gig went, you just like one sometimes it just do the do the upstate, tri-state, whatever gig it was, and then just head back, just storm right back to the state.

00:19:55.000 You missed the hang and hang.

00:19:56.000 You missed the hang.

00:19:57.000 That was everything.

00:19:58.000 Yeah, hang was everything.

00:19:59.000 You remember uh Harris Pete?

00:20:00.000 Yeah.

00:20:00.000 So I did the uh New Year's Eve at the improv and then I drove from the the improv on Melrose after the show to hang out at the comic store afterwards.

00:20:11.000 And he goes, That's the way to do it.

00:20:12.000 You get your check somewhere else and you come back home.

00:20:15.000 And it just like felt like that there, like we were all hanging.

00:20:18.000 It was fun.

00:20:18.000 If I had a great gig somewhere on the weekend, it was fun because I bring guys like you or Joey or Ari, you know, we were all together having a good time.

00:20:27.000 Right.

00:20:28.000 So it's like the idea was like you gotta bring at least a little bit of that out on the road with you.

00:20:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:33.000 Going on the road by yourself sucks.

00:20:35.000 Yeah, starting to make it sucks.

00:20:37.000 Sucks.

00:20:42.000 You're just still trying to establish yourself, and you're away from your comedy family.

00:20:47.000 Yes.

00:20:47.000 And so you you're making a little money, but like the camaraderie and the to hang.

00:20:53.000 It's the opposite of camaraderie.

00:20:55.000 You might be doing combat comedy.

00:20:56.000 Some dude might step on all of your premises if he's your middle act on purpose.

00:21:00.000 A lot of dudes did that.

00:21:02.000 It was it was different.

00:21:03.000 It was like, oh, you're not my friend at all.

00:21:06.000 You're trying to come up too.

00:21:08.000 Not just trying to come up, but trying to come up in a dark way.

00:21:11.000 Right.

00:21:11.000 You know, there was a lot of thieves back then.

00:21:13.000 Woo.

00:21:14.000 Guys would steal your bits and do 'em before you that were like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night, and then they do your bits on Friday.

00:21:22.000 You gotta pay attention.

00:21:23.000 You're like, what are you doing, man?

00:21:24.000 Yeah, that's fucked up.

00:21:25.000 Because they were in like some nowhere town and they never they they didn't have a real comedy community.

00:21:31.000 Uh-huh.

00:21:32.000 And they just saw some guy coming in from Boston and New York, and they just I'm gonna fuck him up.

00:21:37.000 You know, and it was it's just comedy when you have a group of people like it was in New York or like it wasn't Boston or in LA, it's always so much more fun.

00:21:47.000 If you're starting out and you're in like Pittsburgh, like how big's the scene in Pittsburgh.

00:21:51.000 Right.

00:21:52.000 You know?

00:21:53.000 Uh you know what I did love about New York?

00:21:55.000 How brutally honest all the comics were to each other.

00:21:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 So even like Patrice, like, he had just dropped a special, but then he just went on this thing of like, I I forgot the type of material he was doing.

00:22:08.000 But we confronted him about that shit.

00:22:11.000 Like, hey man, that shit is hacky.

00:22:13.000 And he was just doing it for a minute, just fucking around.

00:22:17.000 Probably just trying to get some material.

00:22:18.000 Just trying to get some strapped a special.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, just trying to but he didn't get upset or nothing.

00:22:23.000 And then we we tell each other shit.

00:22:25.000 I I remember I had too many black and white jokes.

00:22:29.000 And they would we did a uh gig out of town, and it was a bunch of black comics.

00:22:35.000 We come back in the van and they were killing me.

00:22:41.000 You got you talking about black black people cook like this, white people cook like this. 0.99

00:22:47.000 You got a lot of black and white jokes.

00:22:48.000 I was like, no, I don't.

00:22:49.000 And they was like, yeah, you do.

00:22:51.000 And they started naming him.

00:22:53.000 And I was like, oh shit.

00:22:56.000 I do have a I never wanted to have black people this, white people that jokes. 1.00

00:23:00.000 You know, the real problem is if you do short sets and then you gotta piece it together into a long set.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 I brought this one dude on the road with me once, and he had so many jokes about being a Mexican.

00:23:10.000 Because he would do used to doing five minute sets, but only had to do 20.

00:23:13.000 I'm like, bro, you can't keep saying that.

00:23:16.000 You're saying it over and over and over again.

00:23:18.000 One thing I love about being Mexican, and then there's another one thing I love about being Mexican.

00:23:22.000 Like, bro.

00:23:24.000 Like we gotta You gotta add some spice to this soup.

00:23:27.000 This is crazy.

00:23:28.000 This is one flavor.

00:23:30.000 That's how weird comedy is.

00:23:32.000 It's like there's levels to like first, you gotta get your first five minutes.

00:23:38.000 Right.

00:23:38.000 When you get your first five minutes, you're feeling like I can kill.

00:23:41.000 I can go from beginning to end and kill.

00:23:44.000 But then now you gotta get ten.

00:23:47.000 And then you're gonna start like you're watering down your solid five.

00:23:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:54.000 You're water, and you're not getting that exhilaration that you work so hard for in a five.

00:23:59.000 But then you get the ten.

00:24:01.000 And then by the time you get to 15, you could like host somewhere on the road.

00:24:05.000 And then you might go out of your state, two miles out of your state, and realize, oh shit.

00:24:13.000 These jokes were dependent on where I live.

00:24:17.000 Yep.

00:24:18.000 They do not work here. 0.90

00:24:20.000 Yep.

00:24:21.000 I went to I had all these Jamaican jokes about being Jamaican, because there's so many Jamaicans in New York.

00:24:26.000 And I went with some comics to do Temple.

00:24:30.000 And it was in a big it might have been where they play basketball.

00:24:34.000 Like Terry Hodges was on the show, a bunch of strong black comics.

00:24:39.000 And uh my opener was a Jamaican about a joke about being Jamaican, but closing killed in New York.

00:24:46.000 Killed in New York.

00:24:48.000 And I I did the first joke, and people had been killing before me, then I went on.

00:24:52.000 I did the first joke.

00:24:56.000 More quiet than this.

00:25:02.000 Oh no.

00:25:03.000 And then I start panicking on the inside, which definitely showed on the outside.

00:25:09.000 Yeah.

00:25:09.000 And then I was like, let me go for my middle joke.

00:25:12.000 You know, which is my second strongest joke.

00:25:17.000 That didn't work.

00:25:18.000 I was like, I got to do 15 minutes.

00:25:21.000 I'm on my closer by the third joke.

00:25:25.000 Oh no.

00:25:26.000 That bomb.

00:25:28.000 And it was bad.

00:25:29.000 But thank God they booed.

00:25:30.000 I didn't have to struggle.

00:25:32.000 So they booed.

00:25:32.000 I was the only one that bombed that night.

00:25:35.000 Wow.

00:25:36.000 And I bombed because I said I moved here when I was 17.

00:25:41.000 So I didn't have enough like American shit. 0.87

00:25:44.000 Right.

00:25:45.000 To like I like the Jamaican shit about me growing up in Jamaica just started working, but there was a radius to that shit. 1.00

00:25:54.000 That shit would work in Florida.

00:25:56.000 That shit would work in DC.

00:25:58.000 And that shit would work in New York.

00:26:00.000 And maybe one other place where there's a concentration of like Jamaicans or West Indian people.

00:26:06.000 Right.

00:26:06.000 And American people that grew up with them.

00:26:10.000 That's a rough feeling.

00:26:11.000 How many people in that audience?

00:26:13.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 I would say at least 2,000.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, and they booed.

00:26:17.000 And these assholes, like, yo, we're going to the after party. 0.72

00:26:21.000 You want to go?

00:26:21.000 Like, no.

00:26:22.000 Yes.

00:26:24.000 But I I stayed in the hotel room and I had a great night.

00:26:27.000 I watched Dumb and Dumber for the first time and laughed my ass off.

00:26:30.000 Well, some shows like that are important.

00:26:32.000 They suck up fat dick, but they teach you like, oh, I can't just rely on like regional stuff.

00:26:37.000 Yeah, then I realized, like, oh, this is you're only gonna kill in town.

00:26:41.000 Now you gotta like figure out like universal truths of comic. 0.65

00:26:48.000 Well, that's why the real Gs travel all over the world. 0.98

00:26:51.000 You know, the Jimmy Carrs.

00:26:53.000 That guy, he goes everywhere.

00:26:55.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 Like there's something to that.

00:26:56.000 There's something to go on everywhere.

00:26:58.000 Because I've I've done comedy in other places.

00:27:00.000 I took uh um I took Tony Henchcliffe once to uh Sweden.

00:27:05.000 We did comedy in Stockholm, and he's like, dude, I think I'm bombing no, they're laughing, and then they stop laughing.

00:27:12.000 It's just different.

00:27:13.000 They're different in Europe.

00:27:14.000 They're laughing.

00:27:15.000 Like I I listen to your set.

00:27:17.000 He goes, I never got a flow going.

00:27:18.000 I go, first of all, it's a big place.

00:27:21.000 So you're probably not used to doing a place that's this big.

00:27:23.000 And then on top of that, you're in Europe.

00:27:25.000 Right.

00:27:26.000 And they're you know, their English is pretty good.

00:27:28.000 Yeah, but it's not perfect.

00:27:30.000 So it probably takes a couple seconds for them to figure out oh, very funny, very funny, Tony Hinchfip.

00:27:37.000 So hilarious.

00:27:39.000 I mean, what you told him is only true if you didn't get a flow going.

00:27:42.000 Did you get a flow going?

00:27:44.000 I got a flow going.

00:27:44.000 So then it's a good thing.

00:27:45.000 But it was also they were there to see me and they didn't know he was gonna be there, and they probably didn't even know what a comedy club was.

00:27:50.000 Right.

00:27:51.000 You know, these are all just people that came out to see me because I was famous.

00:27:53.000 Right.

00:27:54.000 You know, this is like if you know like this was probably more than ten years ago at least.

00:28:02.000 But if you know comedy now though, I think was a YouTube, I think kind of like all you need now is to have a really good set and you could tour the whole world.

00:28:14.000 Like James McCann, you know that dude from Australia.

00:28:19.000 Very if I see him, I might know who he is.

00:28:21.000 Very funny.

00:28:22.000 Very funny.

00:28:23.000 So funny that Shane Gillis worked with him in Australia and convinced him to move to America and then brought him to the mothership.

00:28:30.000 Curly hair.

00:28:31.000 I've seen him here.

00:28:31.000 I've seen him here, yeah.

00:28:33.000 Very fucking funny and very smart and really nice guy, like super super nice guy.

00:28:38.000 But he um he's one of those guys it's like he like if Shane didn't find him, Shane found him in Australia.

00:28:47.000 He was like ready to quit comedy.

00:28:48.000 Oh shit, that's crazy.

00:28:50.000 He's like, What am I doing?

00:28:51.000 I can't do anything over here.

00:28:52.000 It's like it's hard.

00:28:52.000 You have to be a part of these festivals, and these festivals, a lot of these festivals, like every year the artists will write like a new hour, you know, and it'll be like about a subject.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, and that's another thing.

00:29:04.000 They do those hours and after the year, they don't record those hours.

00:29:08.000 There's so many comics in Europe, England, Australia, because I've been to those festivals that do their hour and then retire it after the last big festival.

00:29:17.000 And I said, Did you record those?

00:29:20.000 Because you could have like have a backlog of shit to like put online to catch people up with you to create views and they probably forgot how it works too.

00:29:30.000 But they Yeah, they weren't doing that back then, but how do you retire something without at least having like one big record of it?

00:29:39.000 Well, they have a weird system over there.

00:29:41.000 Like I was talking to McCann about what the the festival system is like is like the festivals are kind of like the only thing in comedy.

00:29:49.000 There's a few clubs, like there's a really good club in Melbourne.

00:29:53.000 Um what is that club called?

00:29:55.000 The La Comics Lounge in Melbourne.

00:29:57.000 Is that the name of it?

00:29:58.000 I worked there uh with Ari Maddie, crazy enough. 1.00

00:30:02.000 And Hinchcliffe and I did that like nine years ago, I think.

00:30:06.000 So there's some comedy clubs, I'm sure there's some in Sydney.

00:30:09.000 But I did one in Sydney.

00:30:11.000 When you're traveling, you're doing like these uh these these comedy tours.

00:30:16.000 Right.

00:30:16.000 And so it's festival based stuff.

00:30:19.000 Like there's a bunch of different festivals that people go to, and when they go to festivals, like that's one of the things about like Scotland, when they do that Edinburgh, those guys, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, those guys they create a new hour every year.

00:30:32.000 Yeah.

00:30:32.000 And you gotta come back and talk about trauma or talk about you know what it's like to be whatever.

00:30:38.000 Right, right.

00:30:38.000 Whatever stage of life they're in, whatever stage of politics they're in.

00:30:42.000 And that's what people expect, which is interesting.

00:30:44.000 Because it's not really American style stand-up the way you and I do it, or the way you know it's traditionally done.

00:30:51.000 They're doing like story-based stand-up.

00:30:55.000 Which isn't in you know, it's great.

00:30:56.000 It's not um it's not a knock on it.

00:30:59.000 It's just a different thing.

00:31:00.000 And if you try to do that in America, you probably get steamrolled.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, I've seen somewhere that they look kind of one man showy or one woman showy.

00:31:08.000 So there's gaps of talking and then which is fine because like it's just a different thing.

00:31:17.000 It's just a different thing.

00:31:18.000 You're doing a different thing.

00:31:19.000 Like when I'll say things that I don't believe at all.

00:31:22.000 Just because it's funny.

00:31:23.000 It's like it's a ridiculous thing to say.

00:31:26.000 And to get also I want to get you thinking that I'm saying things that I don't believe at all.

00:31:30.000 Like, this is just for fun.

00:31:31.000 Like this, the whole thing is supposed to be for fun.

00:31:34.000 This idea that comedy is supposed to be I mean, it can be anything, right?

00:31:39.000 Right.

00:31:39.000 It can be this like educational experience for taking people on a journey through your life and how you've come to this to who you are right now.

00:31:45.000 Like, okay.

00:31:46.000 Yay, at the end you celebrate because you're non-binary.

00:31:50.000 Whatever the fuck it is.

00:31:50.000 Right.

00:31:51.000 Like, or it can just be silly.

00:31:53.000 Let's have fun.

00:31:53.000 Right.

00:31:54.000 Let's be silly.

00:31:55.000 Let's say some stupid shit that you probably shouldn't say because it's fun.

00:31:58.000 I need to do more of that.

00:32:00.000 And I I hold back from that.

00:32:03.000 Because you live in LA.

00:32:04.000 Nah.

00:32:06.000 I I think it's just it's just me.

00:32:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:09.000 Like I see I see you say some stuff.

00:32:11.000 I see other people say some stuff.

00:32:13.000 And I'm like, uh.

00:32:17.000 I'm like, I don't even wonder how I'm not like that, but it's making me think now.

00:32:22.000 Just if I'm to get to this flow state that I want to get to the to the last dragon phase, you know.

00:32:29.000 When you're on stage and the glow is around you.

00:32:32.000 Like, I might have to like step on that plank a little bit.

00:32:37.000 You have to see what it feels like.

00:32:39.000 You do.

00:32:40.000 You do when we're hanging out.

00:32:44.000 You talk bad shit when we're hanging out.

00:32:47.000 That's true.

00:32:47.000 You say some wild shit.

00:32:49.000 No, you just take it down a notch when you get on stage.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:53.000 You just gotta treat those people the same way you treat your best friends.

00:32:55.000 I don't trust people like that.

00:32:57.000 I don't either, but that's why I'm taking their phones away.

00:32:59.000 That's why they're all their phones in the yonder bag.

00:33:01.000 But also the phones in the yonder bag.

00:33:03.000 So I want look, it's hard for me, man.

00:33:05.000 I get it.

00:33:06.000 It's hard for me to not check my phone.

00:33:08.000 I want to like see if anybody texted me.

00:33:10.000 I get bored for three seconds.

00:33:12.000 I'm like, what's in the news?

00:33:13.000 Three seconds.

00:33:14.000 It's I get it.

00:33:15.000 But uh sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody.

00:33:18.000 It's good for us because we get a chance to fuck around and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that like there's a bunch of times you say something the first time, you're like, ooh, that did not sound good.

00:33:27.000 Right.

00:33:27.000 I gotta figure out a softer way to say that.

00:33:30.000 I can feel people tighten up.

00:33:32.000 I didn't mean it that way.

00:33:33.000 It's just I'm trying to figure out the right way to say it.

00:33:36.000 And just the way it came out.

00:33:37.000 It comes out bad.

00:33:38.000 Right.

00:33:39.000 Patrice had a great line about that.

00:33:41.000 He's like, you gotta realize that a bad joke that offends everyone and a great joke both come from the same place.

00:33:51.000 Right.

00:33:51.000 Is I'm just trying to make you laugh.

00:33:53.000 Right.

00:33:54.000 It's not I'm a devious person.

00:33:56.000 It's gonna sneak through some agenda to ruin your mind.

00:34:00.000 No, you're just trying to make people laugh.

00:34:01.000 Right.

00:34:02.000 But sometimes people think something's gonna be funny, and it's just not.

00:34:07.000 Right.

00:34:07.000 And you try it and you go, fuck.

00:34:09.000 And you can give up on it, or you can figure out a way to make it work.

00:34:14.000 Like there's been a like Chris Rock had that iconic bit.

00:34:19.000 I love black people, I hate so he takes that bit and he said, it just bombed for like the longest time.

00:34:26.000 He could not get it to work.

00:34:28.000 He's like, he knew there was something in there, but it was just bombing.

00:34:31.000 Right.

00:34:31.000 And I asked him how long.

00:34:32.000 He said it like a year.

00:34:34.000 Oh, right.

00:34:35.000 Like a year.

00:34:36.000 And then it became iconic.

00:34:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:38.000 He just figured it out.

00:34:40.000 And sometimes there's bits like that.

00:34:42.000 They're just like, you got you gotta take the chance at offending people.

00:34:47.000 You don't mean to offend them.

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00:36:39.000 And I and I don't mind doing that.

00:36:41.000 Like I I do have bits.

00:36:43.000 I have bits that offend people that shouldn't even offend people.

00:36:47.000 Oh, there's always gonna be that.

00:36:48.000 There's always that.

00:36:50.000 But there are bits where I'm like, all right, I'm going for it here.

00:36:53.000 But there is like I still have these rules about offending people.

00:36:57.000 You don't want to offend them.

00:36:59.000 Not that I don't want some people some things that I think are ridiculous, I'm gonna go for it.

00:37:04.000 Right.

00:37:05.000 But there cannot be a paper trail back to me.

00:37:12.000 Where I have to apologize.

00:37:13.000 Right, right, right.

00:37:14.000 So I'm like, I'm like a careful protagonist or a careful antagonist.

00:37:21.000 Yeah.

00:37:21.000 You know, like I do want to antagonize.

00:37:23.000 I do want to say some shit, but I'd be like, uh I can't say it that way.

00:37:28.000 So it's so I don't know.

00:37:30.000 Maybe I have to take more more risk.

00:37:32.000 I gotta figure this out.

00:37:34.000 Like, you know how you we talk about these naturally, like we talk about Joey and we talk about uh uh cat and all these and cam.

00:37:47.000 And I I don't know, I feel like there's a gear left in me.

00:37:53.000 That I'm like that I'm having trouble accessing.

00:37:56.000 Well, that's interesting.

00:38:00.000 And I don't want to be like them, but I feel like there's freedom in my version of me.

00:38:06.000 Right, right, right.

00:38:07.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 No, I know exactly what you're saying.

00:38:08.000 I know exactly what you're saying, and I know you can get there too.

00:38:12.000 It's not like outside of your reach.

00:38:13.000 Right.

00:38:14.000 And I think it's numbers.

00:38:15.000 I think that's a lot of it's intention, like putting your intention on that, and really working hard on that, and then it's numbers.

00:38:23.000 A lot of it is doing numbers.

00:38:25.000 You know, one of the things I found when I was doing at my club, I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night.

00:38:32.000 Was too much.

00:38:33.000 Like six hours of comedy.

00:38:34.000 Right.

00:38:35.000 But but it's like a guy who's training for a fight.

00:38:39.000 Like you don't want you can't train the way you're training for a fight all year round.

00:38:44.000 Because your body will break down.

00:38:45.000 So fighters, what they call peak.

00:38:47.000 So they peak for for a competition, and then they get into the last week, and the last week they coast so their body gets a chance to recover.

00:38:55.000 So they go into the fight.

00:38:56.000 They're basically almost killing themselves.

00:38:59.000 But in that almost killing themselves, when you recover for that week, you come out so strong.

00:39:06.000 And so I think I was doing that, I was doing that for like I was good at that for about three months, which is like a fight camp.

00:39:14.000 Uh-huh.

00:39:15.000 And then it was like my voice started going.

00:39:17.000 I was like, this is kind of crazy.

00:39:18.000 That's six hours of comedy a week is a lot.

00:39:20.000 But there's some a freedom that comes from doing that many sets.

00:39:24.000 There's a freedom of like exploring thoughts.

00:39:28.000 Right.

00:39:28.000 There's a lack of tension, which holds us back.

00:39:31.000 And most things that people do that are difficult.

00:39:34.000 One of the key things that holds them back is attention.

00:39:38.000 It's tension.

00:39:39.000 It's fear.

00:39:40.000 It's like you're tight, you don't feel loose and relaxed, and you know you can feel loose and relaxed, so it's very frustrating.

00:39:47.000 Like, what is that?

00:39:48.000 Where is that loose thing?

00:39:49.000 I know it's in there.

00:39:50.000 I gotta find it.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:52.000 I remember the first time I killed.

00:39:55.000 And uh it it's nothing now, but at that moment.

00:40:00.000 It's nothing now.

00:40:01.000 It it's always something, but when I've seen like Jerry Seinfeld at the same club kill for an hour on a weekend.

00:40:08.000 Right, right, right.

00:40:10.000 In his prime.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 I was like, oh shit, I I didn't really kill.

00:40:14.000 I just did okay.

00:40:16.000 But the first time, like getting a great response.

00:40:20.000 Getting a great response from beginning to end, after like you're struggling, you're struggling, you barely got one joke that works.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 And then I I went on that night, and everything just hit.

00:40:32.000 But it not only did it just everything just hit.

00:40:35.000 I watched it.

00:40:38.000 Like I it was a real out of body experience.

00:40:42.000 Like I was watching me.

00:40:44.000 I was watching the audience, but I was on stage.

00:40:47.000 And then when I was done, and the applause and the laughter, I floated off.

00:40:52.000 And then it ended.

00:40:53.000 And then I was really addicted.

00:40:55.000 That's what I got.

00:40:56.000 Because I I got high on stage.

00:40:58.000 Right.

00:40:59.000 I I'd never even done drugs then, but I said, This is what drugs feels like.

00:41:03.000 And I'm addicted to that.

00:41:05.000 You got into the passenger ride.

00:41:07.000 So the passenger ride is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of your own act.

00:41:13.000 You're so in it that and you so like you're so not getting in your own way.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 That you get you're like the other part of you is like, we got this.

00:41:22.000 Let me take care of this.

00:41:23.000 Like, oh, this is so much fun.

00:41:25.000 Let me sit back and watch this dude work.

00:41:27.000 And you don't get in the way.

00:41:29.000 That other dude, he gets in the way.

00:41:31.000 It's like if you're driving with someone and they're a backseat driver, like, there's a guy coming on the right.

00:41:34.000 I fucking see him, man.

00:41:36.000 Relax.

00:41:36.000 Shit.

00:41:37.000 I'm not even I don't have my blinker on.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 You know, there's people like that.

00:41:40.000 And they make you tense.

00:41:41.000 Yes.

00:41:41.000 Right.

00:41:42.000 That guy is in your head.

00:41:44.000 That person who makes you tense when you're driving, that fucking backseat driver, that that is in your head.

00:41:50.000 Right.

00:41:50.000 That fucks with you all the time.

00:41:52.000 Like you might think it doesn't fuck with you.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, it doesn't, because I don't I don't even hear it or see it.

00:41:57.000 I just know he's there.

00:41:59.000 That something must be there.

00:42:02.000 Yeah, but if you could the backseat driver.

00:42:04.000 If you can control that, then you're a Zen.

00:42:07.000 And you get to that Zen place and you know you can get to that Zen place and you've done it a bunch of times.

00:42:13.000 Right, then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there.

00:42:16.000 Yeah, because I did it that night without trying.

00:42:19.000 Right.

00:42:19.000 Like I walked on stage just like that night, just like any other night.

00:42:23.000 So what was the difference with that night that I had this?

00:42:27.000 Were you recording right back then?

00:42:29.000 Nah.

00:42:29.000 No.

00:42:30.000 I got lucky that I I met this guy, Mike Donovan, who is a big comic in Boston.

00:42:36.000 He was a big headliner in Boston.

00:42:38.000 Very funny guy.

00:42:39.000 And he recorded all the sets.

00:42:41.000 He would bring like a fucking tape player back then.

00:42:43.000 Yeah, you'd have to bring a whole fucking thing you had a press and shit.

00:42:47.000 Um and he goes, You never know.

00:42:49.000 He goes, There's there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing you've ever said, and it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it.

00:42:56.000 Right.

00:42:57.000 And it might be like the best part of a bit.

00:42:59.000 You might have a like a new completely new tagline that comes in your head in the moment and it kills and it becomes like the main punchline of the bit.

00:43:07.000 Like you have to record those.

00:43:08.000 If you don't record those, you'll never get those.

00:43:10.000 I record all my sets now.

00:43:11.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 And then you I do have those moments when you're like, I didn't even remember saying that.

00:43:16.000 This is the best thing I've said in months.

00:43:19.000 Yeah, it's how nobody wants to do that extra, extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand up like ew.

00:43:25.000 Right.

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 I know.

00:43:27.000 It's gross.

00:43:27.000 It's it was it's it was tough for me to get myself to listen to myself.

00:43:32.000 It's hard.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 But you know, this is like I think one of the things that we're dealing with, and this is what we try to address at the club, is that there's there's never been like a curriculum of how to do stand-up.

00:43:46.000 And there's one thing there's no one can really tell you how to do it because everybody has a totally different way of doing it.

00:43:54.000 But at least we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we would we what we did wrong and why we think we did that, why it comes out clunky, and and then at the club, the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a bunch of spots.

00:44:12.000 Like so there's two days of open mic nights.

00:44:15.000 So you have two nights with open mic nights, and then you have the door people who are real comics who auditioned for the job with their act.

00:44:23.000 Oh sure.

00:44:24.000 So Adam has to watch their act and say, okay, you know, you've been doing this for X amount of years, you got real potential, and it's like you get a chance to watch Colin Quinn.

00:44:33.000 You get a chance to watch Ian Edwards, you get a chance to watch Shane Gillis, all these great com you know, Jimmy Carr, all these great comedians are there all the time.

00:44:42.000 It's like the greatest education and stand-up that you could ever get, and everyone's cool to you.

00:44:47.000 Everyone's gonna be friendly, everyone's gonna answer questions, everyone's gonna and and then you got Kill Tony, which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in America today.

00:44:57.000 The number one place is Kill Tony.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, if you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute, you could change the course of your whole life. 0.60

00:45:06.000 Yeah.

00:45:07.000 Yeah, that gave me chills when you because I've seen that.

00:45:10.000 I've seen that there on that show.

00:45:12.000 Changes the course of your whole life forever and ever.

00:45:16.000 You where you you're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five, six years.

00:45:20.000 You don't know if you could, you know, you're living in Seattle, the scene's not that good, and you say, fuck it, I'm gonna go to Austin.

00:45:26.000 You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter.

00:45:29.000 You get in your car, you drive all the way to Texas, you put in for one minute, you don't get up.

00:45:34.000 You stay there, I'm gonna stay on Monday.

00:45:36.000 You come back next Monday, you don't get up, you're like, oh my god, I'm running out of money.

00:45:40.000 You start thinking I'm I should get a job, and then you get that one minute, and boom, you fucking kill, you fucking kill, and then you go home, you're like, oh my god, I'm doing it.

00:45:53.000 I'm doing it.

00:45:54.000 It's actually happening.

00:45:55.000 And then next thing you know, you're a professional comedian, you're torn all over the world.

00:45:58.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:45:59.000 It's pretty crazy.

00:46:00.000 Because some people they'll just come to town for that one night or that one day.

00:46:04.000 They should, if they if that's all they can do.

00:46:06.000 And and do and then see if they can get up.

00:46:08.000 And if they don't get up, it's a drag.

00:46:10.000 If you do get up, if you just do mediocre That's not good either.

00:46:15.000 That's not good either.

00:46:16.000 That's like soul crusher.

00:46:17.000 If you bomb on Kill Tony, that's a soul crusher.

00:46:20.000 Then you gotta c tr try to come back. 1.00

00:46:21.000 But yeah, it's it's it's worth it.

00:46:23.000 Bro, dudes have gone on stage for the very first time in their life in Madison Square Garden to a sold-out show.

00:46:34.000 That's like the first time you lace up the gloves, you fight Mike Tyson when he was 20.

00:46:39.000 They deserve that.

00:46:40.000 They fucking deserve that.

00:46:42.000 You oh my God.

00:46:44.000 That's you said in the place where Mike Tyson.

00:46:46.000 Yeah, it's like fighting Mike Tyson when he was 20 is the first time you ever laced up the gloves.

00:46:50.000 You did you didn't even take one practice.

00:46:53.000 And your first opponent is Mike Tyson and his pride.

00:46:56.000 After he just beat Trevor Burbick.

00:46:58.000 Right, right.

00:46:58.000 Good luck.

00:46:59.000 Or even before he beat Trevor Burbick, even better.

00:47:02.000 Madison Square Garden while Custom Auto was alive.

00:47:05.000 Madison Square Garden, sold out show, kill Tony.

00:47:10.000 You're on the the bill.

00:47:11.000 Dice Clay is there, Big Jay Oakerson, David Tells there, shut the fuck up.

00:47:17.000 Oh my god.

00:47:18.000 Why would you do that?

00:47:19.000 Because I feel like some of those people are not a narcissist.

00:47:23.000 Well, some people are just insane.

00:47:25.000 Right.

00:47:25.000 You know, it's like you ever watch street fight videos?

00:47:27.000 Like, why are you fighting?

00:47:28.000 You don't know how to fight at all.

00:47:29.000 This is so crazy.

00:47:30.000 Right.

00:47:30.000 And they're starting it, and then all of a sudden they're whack, they're out cold.

00:47:34.000 People are crazy.

00:47:35.000 I know.

00:47:35.000 I watched some of those backyard fights.

00:47:37.000 Yeah, oh, I watch a lot of those.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:39.000 Like I forgot the one that I watch, but it's pretty popular.

00:47:43.000 And uh they got like a cage of fence around it.

00:47:46.000 Fancy fancy cage.

00:47:47.000 And they try to make it official.

00:47:49.000 Right.

00:47:50.000 But I'm like, I'm watching this more than I watch UFC.

00:47:53.000 It's nothing about it.

00:47:54.000 There's something.

00:47:55.000 What is it about that that I won't I won't watch Division 2 soccer.

00:48:01.000 I'll watch Premier League.

00:48:03.000 You feel me?

00:48:04.000 Yes, I do.

00:48:05.000 That's a good toy.

00:48:07.000 Like, like, do you watch the other professional below UFC league sometimes?

00:48:12.000 You do?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, I do.

00:48:14.000 But like for me, I'm a soccer snob, so I want to watch there's too many of the best guys playing all week.

00:48:21.000 I think soccer's a different thing, though.

00:48:23.000 I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress.

00:48:26.000 And then there's a thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there. 0.75

00:48:31.000 So there's like a lot of dudes that you just hear about.

00:48:34.000 Like, I'll hear about it through the grapevine, like this guy trained with this guy, and he tells me that, and then he's fighting for LFA, and this is like his debut fight, and I watch, I'll go, oh shit, here we go.

00:48:44.000 Because there's guys out there that you never even heard of.

00:48:47.000 Right.

00:48:47.000 That are in like one FC and uh the PFL, these other organizations that are world beaters.

00:48:53.000 They're like elite, elite fighters.

00:48:55.000 So you got I have to pay attention to as many organizations as possible.

00:48:59.000 Because there's always a bunch of people like that come over, a bunch of Russians, man. 1.00

00:49:04.000 Damn, there's a lot of Russians. 1.00

00:49:06.000 A lot of beast Russians, a lot of beast guys from Dagestan, and the beast guys from all the those fucking people from that part of the world are hard ass people, dude. 1.00

00:49:17.000 I w I wanted to ask you about this one guy.

00:49:19.000 Now I I stumbled on.

00:49:21.000 They said he's the best fighter in history.

00:49:24.000 He he was in the US C loop.

00:49:26.000 So he started out when he was 19 in this thing Where it's like a it's like flat, but kind of like a little slope.

00:49:38.000 Like banked on the sides, banked on the side.

00:49:40.000 You're talking about Frank Shamrock.

00:49:41.000 No, but this was a black guy.

00:49:44.000 Okay and then he had a kid, then became a cop, and then maybe like when he was like 30, got back in.

00:49:53.000 And he did this is like uh translating an ancient language.

00:49:58.000 How do I not know who this guy is?

00:50:00.000 You don't know about everything.

00:50:02.000 He's a private to me.

00:50:03.000 I know I give me a tell me who he fought.

00:50:06.000 You pulled up with your ship.

00:50:10.000 I'll tell you exactly.

00:50:11.000 I can't even give you one organization.

00:50:13.000 But there's no way his name was the best fighter of all time.

00:50:15.000 But they Who's saying he's the best fighter of all time?

00:50:18.000 Is it a Purdue video?

00:50:19.000 Yeah, it's a YouTube video.

00:50:20.000 They put the compilation together.

00:50:22.000 But let me tell you something.

00:50:23.000 Okay.

00:50:24.000 Like, so I've been I I'm not an expert.

00:50:26.000 I've been to some fights uh with you, and I've watched a little this nigga was nice.

00:50:32.000 I'm sure.

00:50:33.000 Like I remember like the first time I saw Israel.

00:50:35.000 Mm-hmm.

00:50:36.000 And I I saw his compilation stuff before, and this is before USC.

00:50:40.000 Right.

00:50:40.000 And then I said, hey man, is this guy real?

00:50:42.000 And you were like, yes.

00:50:43.000 So this guy So Izzy's a perfect example.

00:50:46.000 I had my eyes on Izzy for like years.

00:50:48.000 Right.

00:50:48.000 Because in the kickboxing world, he was fucking people up with style points.

00:50:53.000 Yes, this guy too.

00:50:54.000 Yeah.

00:50:55.000 Okay.

00:50:56.000 And you don't remember his name is Mike?

00:50:58.000 You think his name is?

00:51:00.000 Mike something junior.

00:51:02.000 That's all I got.

00:51:04.000 Good through you.

00:51:04.000 How long ago was this?

00:51:05.000 Was it a YouTube video you were wearing?

00:51:07.000 It was a YouTube video.

00:51:08.000 Is it how long ago?

00:51:09.000 It's probably like six months ago.

00:51:11.000 Shit!

00:51:12.000 He's probably gone through 50,000 videos since then.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:16.000 Jamie can't even find he's like, that's not enough information.

00:51:19.000 You can put that in the chat GPT.

00:51:21.000 He was a cop.

00:51:22.000 He was a cop.

00:51:23.000 And he's married, he's married to like a female fighter now.

00:51:27.000 Okay.

00:51:28.000 But he was like his style was like, you know, the type of this is driving.

00:51:34.000 Stream of race consciousness type of comedy.

00:51:37.000 He he would do the the you know the thunder kick on the regular.

00:51:45.000 Okay, Rolling Thunder.

00:51:46.000 Rolling Thunder kick on the regular.

00:51:48.000 That was just like standard.

00:51:51.000 Like he his feet were his hands.

00:51:54.000 And his hands were like feet too.

00:51:57.000 And he was just very explosive.

00:51:59.000 And he did I one time that a few times, like two guys beat him, because he did go to the USC for a little bit towards the end of his career, and he did fight some K1 shit. 1.00

00:52:08.000 He fought in everything.

00:52:11.000 But God, you drive me crazy.

00:52:13.000 I know, man.

00:52:13.000 I wish I had more info, bro.

00:52:15.000 Because I want to know.

00:52:16.000 As soon as if you if you if you tell me who this is, I can tell you everything about them.

00:52:20.000 Right.

00:52:21.000 But it's like I'm trying to figure out through this puzzle.

00:52:24.000 This is like hierarchy.

00:52:25.000 Are you getting this?

00:52:26.000 Uh I think just there's too many uh keywords I'm trying to lock down.

00:52:31.000 I'm trying to run this through Jamie's Jamie Brain.

00:52:36.000 Jamie usually is pretty psychic about this kind of shit and figure out who the fuck it is.

00:52:40.000 But your amount of information is like I would think of you as a suspect now.

00:52:44.000 If you're a witness of like the way this guy described the scene, I don't like it.

00:52:48.000 I pulled the other detective aside.

00:52:49.000 I go, I think we got our guy.

00:52:51.000 This guy's full of shit.

00:52:54.000 He's trying to throw us off the case.

00:52:56.000 I think he works for the other team.

00:52:59.000 He's an agent.

00:53:00.000 I should have booked marked this guy.

00:53:01.000 You should have booked Mark.

00:53:02.000 I should have booked Mark this guy.

00:53:03.000 Because I was like, I need to know if this guy is really like this narrator is saying, but he fought through all the legit things.

00:53:11.000 I'm almost thinking like, are you sure that this was one real person and I didn't just put together a bunch of stuff?

00:53:17.000 Did you get a good rank by some AI?

00:53:20.000 He was bald headed.

00:53:21.000 How about that?

00:53:21.000 Oh boy.

00:53:23.000 Had a low flat top.

00:53:24.000 How about that?

00:53:26.000 Light skinned black guy.

00:53:27.000 God damn.

00:53:28.000 Lanky.

00:53:31.000 How long ago?

00:53:32.000 I guess that might be better.

00:53:34.000 Yeah, what year are we talking about?

00:53:35.000 I would say he might have ended his career like the like 2008, 2005-ish or something like that.

00:53:42.000 Because I was like, when I was watching it, I was like, oh, I gotta start watching first fights, but then it got to like, oh, this this guy's retired now.

00:53:51.000 And he was like, he retired like maybe like late 30s.

00:53:55.000 Listen, there's a lot of guys like that, unfortunately, that are really good.

00:53:59.000 Really good.

00:53:59.000 And then you watch him like one or two fights, and you go, Oh my god, this guy might be the best in the world.

00:54:05.000 It's just a the game is so brutal.

00:54:08.000 It's the most brutal sport ever.

00:54:11.000 You're using your body to try to break another person's body.

00:54:15.000 And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness.

00:54:20.000 You know, or take their legs out until they're they can't walk anymore.

00:54:25.000 I I remember one time we went to a fight, and then uh I was like, hey Joe, why they uh you know, they walk to the ring together with their whole crew, and then right before they get into the ring, they hug everybody.

00:54:37.000 And it's like I'm like, why are they hugging?

00:54:39.000 They they they're gonna be right there outside of the octagon, and they're gonna be yelling instructions, and they were in the locker room together, but right before the person enters a ring, it's almost like a goodbye because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered.

00:54:56.000 Yes, or at exit at all.

00:54:59.000 Yes, you know, so it's that's that's what fighting is to me, is like that's how dangerous it is.

00:55:04.000 Like when you're like goodbye.

00:55:07.000 Well, it's the last thing you could do to support that person that you love that's about to go do that.

00:55:13.000 Right.

00:55:14.000 It's real hard when you watch your friends.

00:55:17.000 It's real hard when you watch your friends get beat up.

00:55:19.000 Damn.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, real hard.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, you know, it was real hard me watching uh Cormier when Jones beat him up.

00:55:26.000 Right.

00:55:27.000 That was hard.

00:55:28.000 The steep A one was hard.

00:55:30.000 You know, uh especially the one with Steve A KO'd him against the case.

00:55:34.000 It's just hard.

00:55:35.000 Yeah.

00:55:36.000 Because you know them.

00:55:38.000 You know them as human beings, you know.

00:55:40.000 You know what?

00:55:40.000 That's kind of two to him.

00:55:42.000 It's fucking devastating.

00:55:43.000 It's like it's like a loss.

00:55:45.000 It's like you lost a family member or you lost a dog.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, it's affecting you right now.

00:55:50.000 Shit, just thinking about it.

00:55:52.000 That's like it's hard, man.

00:55:54.000 I start crying.

00:55:55.000 Yeah.

00:55:56.000 But like for me, the hardest one was Shab because Shab Schab didn't want to quit, and I was like, dude. 0.86

00:56:03.000 You the thing about Brendan that most people don't know is how many concussions he took outside of the fights.

00:56:09.000 So you see the fights, but he used to spar with Shane Carwin, man.

00:56:13.000 Shane Carwin was the interim heavyweight champion, the biggest fist ever registered in the UFC.

00:56:18.000 He had like five XL fists.

00:56:21.000 Bro, he's so big, it was ridiculous.

00:56:23.000 He would he look like a he looked like in the Avengers, like he was he would be like the Hulk.

00:56:30.000 He doesn't look like a real human, right?

00:56:31.000 All the other people were there, and then there's Shane Carwin.

00:56:33.000 He was a freak.

00:56:34.000 He's a freak.

00:56:36.000 And um Br Brandon Schaub and him used to spar all the time, and he would get knocked out all the time.

00:56:42.000 That's crazy.

00:56:43.000 He would get concussions all the time, all the time.

00:56:46.000 He got a concussion like days before he fought Ben Rothwell.

00:56:50.000 He got a concussion days before he fought Noguerra.

00:56:54.000 Like he was getting concussions all the time, like in the gym.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:56:58.000 So I knew about all that shit too, and I was seeing the effects, and I was like, You gotta get out now.

00:57:04.000 If you don't get out now, there's no happy ending.

00:57:06.000 There's no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked out a lot.

00:57:09.000 Right.

00:57:09.000 It's terrible.

00:57:11.000 I was watching a video the other day of that dude who fought Mike Tyson when he uh right when he got out of jail.

00:57:17.000 Remember when Mike Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost?

00:57:19.000 Right.

00:57:20.000 Was it a white guy?

00:57:21.000 Yes.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, yes.

00:57:22.000 And that dude, I s I found the video because I sent it to my friends.

00:57:27.000 I was like, bro, brain damage is real, fellas.

00:57:30.000 Oh shit.

00:57:31.000 Because it's it's just unfortunate.

00:57:33.000 But you you watch a guy talk and you go, Oh, okay.

00:57:36.000 This is just how it goes.

00:57:37.000 Like, yeah, like Hearns.

00:57:39.000 Yep, all of 'em.

00:57:40.000 All the greats.

00:57:41.000 All the greats.

00:57:41.000 You know, Sugar Ray seems to have kept it together pretty good.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:45.000 Um, but uh there's a lot of these guys, I'm not gonna find it.

00:57:48.000 Is that right, Peter McNeely?

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 This is the the guy that fought, and he fucking went after him, man.

00:57:54.000 He went after Tyson, which is crazy.

00:57:56.000 Like he pushed him away.

00:57:57.000 He's trying to get after him, but bro, Tyson and he's got some movement.

00:58:02.000 He headbutted him there, but Tyson looked phenomenal back, like physically phenomenal.

00:58:07.000 Like, look how good he looked.

00:58:09.000 He just took him apart.

00:58:11.000 Just that that knockout alone, what uh how's the rest of your life gonna be?

00:58:16.000 Because he's not even is it did his corner jump in?

00:58:20.000 Yeah, they said that's enough.

00:58:22.000 Let's we know where this fucking story ends.

00:58:24.000 Right.

00:58:24.000 That's a good corner right there.

00:58:26.000 I was reading about Jerry Quarry yesterday.

00:58:29.000 Jerry Quarry Was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten um his license back so he took three years he wouldn't fight in Vietnam and they took away his they took away his championship and they took away his license to box.

00:58:45.000 He couldn't make a living for three years.

00:58:47.000 And then he fought this dude, Jerry Quarry.

00:58:49.000 And it looked like he had been on the couch.

00:58:52.000 Like Ali didn't look like Ali anymore.

00:58:55.000 Didn't physically look like Ali wasn't ripped.

00:58:57.000 He looked he didn't look fat, but he looked kind of like physique that of old Ali.

00:59:03.000 It changed the way he fought, honestly.

00:59:05.000 Like look at him there.

00:59:06.000 He looks good.

00:59:08.000 He's still a little pudgy.

00:59:09.000 But yeah, but not like comparison.

00:59:12.000 Right.

00:59:12.000 So this was the first fight back, and Jerry Quarr was like this just really tough Irish guy.

00:59:19.000 Right.

00:59:19.000 And um him and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific gym fights.

00:59:27.000 He was a good fighter, man.

00:59:29.000 Real good fighter, but he died young, and um he had terrible CTE and dementia before he died.

00:59:37.000 And so did his brother, and his brother only had a few professional fights.

00:59:41.000 Yeah.

00:59:42.000 See, Quarry had a bunch of pro fights, and he fought guys.

00:59:45.000 I believe he fought Frasier, he might have fought like Ken Norton.

00:59:49.000 He fought like big time heavyweight power punchers and and legends.

00:59:53.000 But his ooh, that was good left over.

00:59:55.000 Plus he's Irish, you don't know you didn't count the amount of bar fights. 0.98

00:59:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:59.000 And but the big thing, man, ooh, damn, this is a beautiful combination.

01:00:03.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 You forget how good Ali was, even when three years off, dude.

01:00:06.000 He looks sweet.

01:00:07.000 But now I want I wanna I want to show you something different though, because we're seeing this Ali. 0.77

01:00:12.000 Look, first of all, take care of those fucking those strings. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Yeah.

01:00:17.000 Hey, referee, tie that shit off. 0.98

01:00:19.000 Tape that shit off.

01:00:20.000 And cut it.

01:00:21.000 Um show me Ali versus Cleveland big big cat Williams.

01:00:26.000 This is my favorite fight to watch.

01:00:28.000 Oh, right.

01:00:28.000 If anybody never saw Ali before, I said, you gotta see Ali before they made him retire.

01:00:36.000 And then you gotta realize we lost three years of this Ali, who was different than anybody who had ever boxed before. 0.78

01:00:43.000 Anybody.

01:00:44.000 So this is prime Ali. 0.89

01:00:46.000 Like look at the difference right away in the movement.

01:00:48.000 Right.

01:00:49.000 The the one who fought Jerry Quarry was kind of standing in front of him more.

01:00:53.000 You know, and he was boxing him and moved looking good, but this Ali is like, good luck hitting him.

01:01:00.000 Good luck, dude.

01:01:01.000 I look at the guy's like, this is awkward.

01:01:02.000 Like, how do I stop this thing from moving so I can hit it?

01:01:05.000 And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, was a killer.

01:01:10.000 He had vicious power, man.

01:01:11.000 Look at his build.

01:01:12.000 Like Cleveland was a dangerous puncher, dangerous puncher.

01:01:15.000 You couldn't let him hit you.

01:01:17.000 But good because Ali wasn't gonna.

01:01:19.000 He wasn't gonna let him hit him.

01:01:21.000 And bro, he tunes him up in this fight, and at the end of the fight, scooch along so you could see like because he he cooks him.

01:01:27.000 Is this before he beat Liston?

01:01:30.000 Uh yes.

01:01:30.000 Yes, quite a bit before he beat Liston.

01:01:32.000 Because he beat Liz No, no, no, no, no.

01:01:34.000 Excuse me.

01:01:35.000 I was thinking of um I was I was not thinking of Listen.

01:01:38.000 I was thinking of uh Foreman.

01:01:40.000 Forman.

01:01:40.000 He beat Liston to win the title.

01:01:42.000 This is this is after that.

01:01:43.000 After that.

01:01:45.000 So this was when he was already Ali.

01:01:46.000 Because when he beat Listed, it was in black and white, too.

01:01:49.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:01:50.000 So this was right before they made him retire.

01:01:52.000 So this is like 1967.

01:01:54.000 So this is before the forced retirement.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:01:57.000 He just walked out.

01:01:58.000 Moving backwards, moving backwards with the one-two.

01:02:01.000 And it's so pretty.

01:02:02.000 There's no wind up, man.

01:02:04.000 It's just people who don't think boxing is beautiful.

01:02:07.000 You gotta watch Ali Cleveland, Big Cat Williams.

01:02:10.000 And you should watch a little bit of big big cat Williams before that.

01:02:13.000 And you see the slug-fest that he was in where he was fucking people up and you know how dangerous this was for Ali.

01:02:19.000 But look at him, he's just, "Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing." Beautiful, man.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, Ali took him to his world.

01:02:26.000 Took him to his world.

01:02:27.000 This is a moving man sport.

01:02:28.000 Exactly.

01:02:32.000 And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division to ever move like this.

01:02:36.000 I mean, nobody moved like this back.

01:02:38.000 Look at that combination.

01:02:40.000 Woo! 0.99

01:02:41.000 Then he stands over him with his hands up.

01:02:44.000 It's extra embarrassing with that hairstyle.

01:02:49.000 You had your hair done, bro.

01:02:52.000 Like you had to conquer it, you know, some women fixing it up and pressing it for the fight so you could go out afterwards. 1.00

01:02:59.000 Bro.

01:02:59.000 Like he never wore the suit that he bought to go with that hairstyle for the after party.

01:03:04.000 Wait, wait, is did this keep going after that knockdown?

01:03:07.000 Yeah.

01:03:09.000 Yeah?

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:10.000 Oh That's crazy.

01:03:11.000 They let that guy fight another round. 0.96

01:03:14.000 Oh my god, it was the end of the round.

01:03:16.000 So he was saved by the bell.

01:03:17.000 They used to have saved by the bell back then, too.

01:03:20.000 Oh shit.

01:03:21.000 I feel like because of his reputation and how many punches he's taken in his life in his career before this, you have to let this keep going.

01:03:30.000 Bro, he just did the shuffle on him.

01:03:32.000 Oh.

01:03:32.000 Now he's feeling it.

01:03:33.000 Look at this.

01:03:34.000 Oh, damn.

01:03:34.000 Oh my goodness.

01:03:36.000 Oh my goodness.

01:03:37.000 See, this is the Ollie that we got the hair we missed.

01:03:40.000 God, the guy got back up again.

01:03:42.000 Cleveland big cat Williams was a stud.

01:03:45.000 Yeah.

01:03:46.000 To get back up all these times from that.

01:03:49.000 Damn.

01:03:50.000 Look how good Ali looks, man.

01:03:52.000 Oh my goodness.

01:03:53.000 I mean, he looks like a middleweight.

01:03:55.000 It's like a middleweight fighting heavyweights.

01:03:58.000 And you know, you know what was unfair about Ollie.

01:04:03.000 Because, you know, all the boxes back then had chins. 0.99

01:04:06.000 So you feel like somebody with Ali's style would not have a chin.

01:04:10.000 But he had just as good his chin as anybody else, and he wouldn't let you hit it.

01:04:14.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 And then if you did get catch him and get in a slug fest, you wouldn't knock him out because this motherfucker could take a hit.

01:04:20.000 One guy almost knocked him out, and they totally cheated to keep it from happening.

01:04:26.000 This guy Fraser?

01:04:27.000 No, no, no, no.

01:04:28.000 This guy in England.

01:04:29.000 God, what was his name?

01:04:31.000 Um I can't believe I can't remember his name right now.

01:04:36.000 Cause I was just, I was where I was gonna talk to you about Bob Foster.

01:04:39.000 Henry Cooper?

01:04:40.000 Henry Cooper.

01:04:40.000 That's right.

01:04:41.000 Thank you.

01:04:41.000 Henry Cooper had a killer left hook.

01:04:43.000 Right.

01:04:43.000 Killer left hook.

01:04:45.000 And he caught Ali back when he was Cassius Clay right on the button. 0.90

01:04:50.000 And his just his legs went, his head rolled back, and he slumped down like he was gone.

01:04:55.000 So it was like at the bell, they get him in the corner, they cut his gloves.

01:05:00.000 Oh to to change gloves.

01:05:02.000 Like watch this left hook.

01:05:04.000 This guy Henry Cooper was tough as nails, man.

01:05:07.000 And he look at that left hook, man.

01:05:09.000 It's nasty.

01:05:09.000 Look at this right here.

01:05:10.000 Boom.

01:05:11.000 Damn.

01:05:12.000 Bro, Ali was fucked.

01:05:16.000 He was fucked.

01:05:18.000 So this is at the bell, right?

01:05:20.000 So they get him in the corner.

01:05:21.000 They gave him smelling salts.

01:05:23.000 They cut his gloves off and changed his gloves.

01:05:27.000 To give him some breathing room.

01:05:32.000 Did they cut the part out where they cut his gloves?

01:05:34.000 Yeah, it's really edited.

01:05:37.000 I'm pretty sure that happened.

01:05:38.000 I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick.

01:05:41.000 Angelo Dundee, man.

01:05:42.000 What a corner.

01:05:42.000 What a guy.

01:05:43.000 What a cornerman.

01:05:44.000 He might be the greatest quarterman of all time.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:46.000 Think about the the one with Sugar A. Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

01:05:48.000 You're blowing it, kid.

01:05:50.000 You ever see him say that?

01:05:51.000 No, no.

01:05:51.000 He says it in Sugar Ray runs out and stops him in the next round.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 And that and that was a Hearns fight?

01:05:59.000 That was That was Sugar A versus who?

01:06:02.000 Hearns.

01:06:03.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 I remember all those fights.

01:06:05.000 I remember the Hearns Hagler fight.

01:06:07.000 That second round was like the city.

01:06:10.000 The first round was the greatest round.

01:06:11.000 Was it the first round that was the war?

01:06:13.000 Yep.

01:06:13.000 The first round, right out of the bat.

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.000 Okay.

01:06:16.000 No evidence Mohammed Ali had his gloves changed mid fight to get extra time to recover.

01:06:20.000 Rather, it's an urban ledger from his fight with Henry Cooper in 1963.

01:06:23.000 Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bling bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention, but the controversy only extended the round break by a few seconds, and Ali went on to win the fight.

01:06:34.000 Okay.

01:06:35.000 So there was a torn glove, but they didn't let him change the gloves.

01:06:39.000 He showed a torn glove, and it just happened to be torn right after the knockdown, and this is an urban legend.

01:06:47.000 Respectfully.

01:06:52.000 Respectfully.

01:06:53.000 He probably did.

01:06:54.000 Right.

01:06:54.000 Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning?

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 Zero times.

01:07:04.000 How do you tear your glove when you're getting hit?

01:07:06.000 If he would if he had if he was in Henry Cooper's corner and he found that cut, do you think he would tell the referee?

01:07:12.000 No.

01:07:12.000 He wouldn't say a fucking thing.

01:07:14.000 Right.

01:07:14.000 Like it's bullshit.

01:07:16.000 But I get it.

01:07:17.000 He bought some time.

01:07:18.000 Smart moves.

01:07:19.000 And one second in boxing is a huge difference.

01:07:22.000 Oh, look at that face.

01:07:23.000 Wow.

01:07:24.000 The face when he busted him up.

01:07:25.000 I think he stopped him by cuts.

01:07:28.000 If I remember correctly.

01:07:31.000 I used to watch all these old fights, but it's so long I can't remember the full details.

01:07:36.000 Like I knew who you were talking about before you could remember his name.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, I forgot his name.

01:07:40.000 Yeah.

01:07:40.000 Because I was thinking of Bob Foster because I watched his whole piece on Bob Foster last night.

01:07:44.000 People forgot about him.

01:07:45.000 And Bob Foster Foster again.

01:07:48.000 He was the light heavyweight champion when Ali was the heavyweight champion.

01:07:51.000 And he but I believe he tried I know he fought Ali at least once.

01:07:56.000 He tried to go up to heavyweight.

01:07:58.000 It just didn't carry over.

01:08:00.000 Because he was a weird, weirdly shaped guy.

01:08:04.000 Like he was tall, but he was like he was not muscular at all.

01:08:07.000 But he was he looked like to see here.

01:08:10.000 Well give me a Bob Foster KO highlights.

01:08:14.000 I got on a whole rabbit hole the other night because I watched this one video about where they were talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching power was.

01:08:22.000 And then I'm like, oh my god, I forgot.

01:08:25.000 And then I went down a Bob Foster rabbit hole.

01:08:28.000 And it's also the confidence in this video.

01:08:31.000 He was talking about it take me one or two rounds and I'm gonna just knock him out.

01:08:35.000 Is he the black guy or the white guy?

01:08:36.000 The black guy.

01:08:37.000 Bro, Foster had look at this, bro.

01:08:41.000 Bro.

01:08:42.000 This is this is like a mother beating a child. 0.97

01:08:45.000 Bro, he was he's had tremendous power, man.

01:08:49.000 Like the whip in his punches is like very similar in a lot of ways to Tommy Hearns, but he's a lot bigger.

01:08:56.000 You know, he's uh he's a hundred and seventy-five pounder, but it's that whip to the punches that Foster had.

01:09:02.000 Like look at that turn, like the amount of torque that he gets when he throws these punches.

01:09:06.000 And Bob Foster, he fucking flatlined a lot of dudes, man.

01:09:10.000 He took a lot of dudes out of this dimension.

01:09:12.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:13.000 Look at that left hook. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Ooh.

01:09:15.000 You see the arms flail.

01:09:16.000 Yeah.

01:09:17.000 Like, you know, the arms let me know your legs are going.

01:09:19.000 Yeah, Foster fucked a lot of guys up.

01:09:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:23.000 He did.

01:09:24.000 He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali, you know.

01:09:27.000 Ali was uh a solid 35, 40 pounds heavier than him.

01:09:32.000 That's just too much.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, he's tall enough, but not.

01:09:35.000 Oh, that's him for versus Quarry at heavyweight?

01:09:38.000 God just showed you how many guys Quarry fought.

01:09:40.000 Fuck.

01:09:41.000 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 These guys didn't stop until they died.

01:09:43.000 No, no.

01:09:44.000 Well, Cory d died because of it much earlier.

01:09:48.000 Like that was that doesn't look like Quarry.

01:09:51.000 That's what it says.

01:09:52.000 He's catching him with the left.

01:09:54.000 Okay.

01:09:55.000 Oh he just went to sleep.

01:10:02.000 Foster versus Dick Tiger.

01:10:04.000 This is a good one.

01:10:05.000 Because he said about Dick Tiger, like Dick Tiger was a champion at the time, I believe.

01:10:09.000 And he said about Dick Tiger, it's taking me one or two rounds to hit him, and then I'm gonna knock him out.

01:10:13.000 Boom.

01:10:15.000 He just he had this power that was just undeniable, man.

01:10:19.000 There's some dudes who just look at that.

01:10:21.000 The way he throws it.

01:10:22.000 Like everybody who like as a young boxer learning, learn from this guy.

01:10:27.000 Like the whip.

01:10:28.000 This is unfair, too.

01:10:30.000 Oh, oh the reach is ridiculous.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, say that to all Mike Tyson's opponents who got flat lines.

01:10:35.000 I know.

01:10:36.000 But that's why I like Mike Tyson.

01:10:38.000 Like wasn't even six feet tall.

01:10:40.000 It wasn't even six feet tall, and he can get inside.

01:10:42.000 Oh my god, like a tornado.

01:10:44.000 Yeah.

01:10:45.000 Bang.

01:10:46.000 And sometimes he'd stay real down low.

01:10:48.000 Yeah.

01:10:48.000 And you'd be throwing above his head.

01:10:50.000 And then he'd come up with it.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:52.000 Oh, he he would have fun.

01:10:53.000 He was playing with his food back in those days.

01:10:55.000 You know?

01:10:57.000 He was having fun with guys.

01:11:00.000 He was having fun.

01:11:02.000 It was a different thing that we had never seen a heavyweight move like that before, right?

01:11:05.000 So there was Ali.

01:11:06.000 You've never seen every weight so agile, so so fluid on his feet.

01:11:11.000 He looked like a better version of Sugar Ray Robinson at heavyweight.

01:11:15.000 Right.

01:11:16.000 If you could believe it.

01:11:17.000 Right.

01:11:17.000 Which is crazy.

01:11:18.000 But also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters.

01:11:21.000 Well, I guess he was as when he became a champ.

01:11:24.000 The second time around, he definitely did.

01:11:25.000 When he got into like Joe Frazier and Foreman and But I always wondered, man, if he didn't miss those three years, I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him.

01:11:35.000 Right.

01:11:35.000 If he kept that up, like what he was versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams, and you add three more years, because I think Frazier became the champ after he retired.

01:11:45.000 I just don't I don't think they beat that version of Ali, and we don't get the Jerry Quarry version if this Ali's not sitting on the couch for three years.

01:11:53.000 But it also saved the brain damage for way later than it.

01:11:58.000 Yeah, but maybe maybe it didn't, because maybe he wasn't agile anymore, so he took more brain damage.

01:12:03.000 So he took more blows when he came back.

01:12:05.000 He had to rely on his chin.

01:12:06.000 Right.

01:12:06.000 You know, and he had a tremendous chin.

01:12:09.000 But it's just like I always, as a person who sees guys in their prime.

01:12:14.000 Because I think what year was Ali when they took his license away.

01:12:17.000 What how old was he?

01:12:20.000 I want to say he was twenty-seven.

01:12:23.000 And comes back at thirty.

01:12:25.000 He comes back at thirty.

01:12:26.000 Which is near quitting age.

01:12:28.000 For a lot of fighters.

01:12:28.000 For fighters.

01:12:29.000 Yeah, a lot of things.

01:12:30.000 It gets near there.

01:12:30.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 It gets near quit in time.

01:12:32.000 Three years is the thing is like he wasn't a guy that was like a Bernard Hopkins who just stayed in the gym, kept running every day.

01:12:39.000 He wasn't that guy.

01:12:40.000 And he was always involved in a lot of political things because he was an activist.

01:12:45.000 He was a very outspoken anti-war activist, and they took away his livelihood because of it.

01:12:51.000 Bernard Hopkins had the most important thing.

01:12:53.000 What Jamie?

01:12:54.000 He was 25 when he retired.

01:12:56.000 When when they took his license away, he was born in 42 that happened in 67.

01:12:59.000 And he came back at 28.

01:13:02.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:13:04.000 67 refuses to be inducted into the army.

01:13:07.000 Immediately stripped of his title.

01:13:09.000 I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they'd strip him of his title because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just crazy.

01:13:19.000 No.

01:13:20.000 So fighting the centuries, so he comes out in 70 against Quarry, so it's almost four years, right?

01:13:26.000 April 28th, 67 to October three and months, three and a few months.

01:13:31.000 Okay.

01:13:32.000 Three years and a few months.

01:13:35.000 So 67, and from the time he fights Cleveland Big Cat Williams, that was 66.

01:13:41.000 I didn't say that anyway.

01:13:44.000 So those those are prime years, you know?

01:13:46.000 And but the the big thing is not training during those years.

01:13:50.000 The layoff is clear.

01:13:51.000 That's the big thing.

01:13:51.000 I know how I feel after not doing stand-up for one week.

01:13:55.000 Yeah, but you don't know what it's like to have your muscles deteriorate.

01:13:58.000 Like your muscles will go away.

01:14:00.000 Right.

01:14:00.000 And your reflexes and everything.

01:14:02.000 All of it will go away.

01:14:03.000 All the twitching of every everything.

01:14:04.000 It might take years to build it back.

01:14:06.000 Right.

01:14:06.000 And in his case, he never really did.

01:14:08.000 He never built it back to the Cleveland big cat levels.

01:14:11.000 Like he didn't come out and just move around like that at 30.

01:14:16.000 He just didn't.

01:14:16.000 Right.

01:14:17.000 It was different.

01:14:18.000 That was different.

01:14:19.000 And it was a heavier ship to move around to.

01:14:24.000 Yep.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, you get heavier when you after 30.

01:14:26.000 Also, you're going through training camps and you're not in shape in the beginning.

01:14:31.000 Like that's a different thing.

01:14:32.000 Like I don't know how much time he had to prepare for Jerry Quarry, but I mean I would imagine it's not more than a few months.

01:14:38.000 So you could imagine you're you're saying, hey, Mohammed, we gotta get ready.

01:14:42.000 Like you're and he's like, I'll be ready.

01:14:43.000 I was born ready.

01:14:44.000 Why you telling you guys?

01:14:47.000 Come on, Mohammed, take the series. 0.99

01:14:48.000 Yeah, ready.

01:14:48.000 I'm ready.

01:14:49.000 I'm ready right now.

01:14:49.000 Soccer put on those gloves.

01:14:51.000 Because he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything to managing him or if you were training him, like good luck getting the word in.

01:14:57.000 He's the greatest of all time.

01:14:59.000 I am the greatest.

01:15:00.000 He'll have you training.

01:15:01.000 I remember he was talking to uh uh Howard Cosell and Howard Cosell said, You sound very truculent, champ, he goes, whatever truculate means if it's good, I'm that.

01:15:10.000 I'm it.

01:15:11.000 Yeah, I'm that, yeah.

01:15:12.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 And he said it with with zero hesitation.

01:15:18.000 I remember one time he said, I'm so fast, I'll turn off the light and get into bed before it gets dark.

01:15:25.000 Nobody had been like that.

01:15:26.000 Nobody nobody talked like that, nobody moved like that.

01:15:30.000 He was a totally different thing.

01:15:31.000 He was stand-up comedy funny.

01:15:33.000 Yep.

01:15:34.000 He was standing that like when I watch his old videos, like normally you just watch a fight a fight.

01:15:40.000 Yeah.

01:15:40.000 I could watch a Muhammad Ali talking compilation.

01:15:43.000 Yes.

01:15:44.000 That's how fucking entertaining this motherfucker was.

01:15:46.000 Yeah, he was so entertaining.

01:15:48.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 He was so entertaining.

01:15:49.000 And he, because of his refusal to fight in the Vietnam War, he represented a generation.

01:15:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:55.000 He represented young people that were like, Yeah, this is fucked.

01:15:58.000 Like, what are we doing?

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:59.000 You know, and people a lot of people were mad at him, called him a traitor, but in the end, they all kind of realized like, oh, he was right.

01:16:05.000 He was right.

01:16:06.000 History.

01:16:07.000 They realized they were on the wrong side of history.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that, I mean, there was Korea, but really people remember World War II.

01:16:16.000 Right.

01:16:16.000 World War II, we had to fight the bad guys.

01:16:19.000 We did our thing, we stood up for our country, and that's why we got the greatest country in the world right now.

01:16:23.000 You're not gonna do your part, man.

01:16:25.000 Fuck you.

01:16:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:26.000 And then during the Vietnam War, it was like, oh, wait a minute.

01:16:29.000 Something's on the water.

01:16:30.000 This might be a drug running operation.

01:16:33.000 Like we we might be like fighting in the jungle because someone wants to control drugs.

01:16:39.000 Is that what Vietnam War was?

01:16:40.000 I believe it's a drug, a drug thing.

01:16:42.000 I believe there's a lot of factors.

01:16:44.000 But I believe one of the major factors was control of the opium trade.

01:16:48.000 That is wild.

01:16:49.000 Well, I I mean, I want to say that about Afghanistan as well.

01:16:52.000 Yeah.

01:16:53.000 Because the production of heroin out of Afghanistan ramped up after we were there.

01:16:58.000 And we were guarding the poppy fields.

01:17:01.000 And it was for the opiate crisis that they put in the oxycotton here.

01:17:04.000 Exactly.

01:17:05.000 For the same.

01:17:06.000 I mean, it's the same it's the same thing.

01:17:08.000 It's like it's all just heroin.

01:17:10.000 It was at one point in time, I think it was ninety something percent of the world's heroin supply was coming out of Afghanistan.

01:17:17.000 Shit.

01:17:18.000 And that's why we were over there.

01:17:20.000 We were over there guarding those fields.

01:17:22.000 I say we, not me.

01:17:24.000 Not you.

01:17:24.000 You we weren't there.

01:17:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:26.000 But Americans were. 0.97

01:17:27.000 And Haraldo Rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talked to a guy, this military guy who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields.

01:17:36.000 And what did the guy say?

01:17:37.000 It was like basically saying, you know, we have to protect these people from Al Qaeda.

01:17:41.000 Like listen.

01:17:43.000 Al Qaeda we started. 0.99

01:17:44.000 Do you know how gaslighty that is?

01:17:46.000 Just think of how gaslighty that is.

01:17:49.000 We have to protect these kind and humble heroin growers.

01:17:54.000 We have to protect them from these other people who are just terrorists who live here and we're here.

01:18:00.000 We invaded this place to keep these people from stopping these people from selling heroin.

01:18:05.000 Right.

01:18:05.000 And we're the good guys.

01:18:06.000 Like what?

01:18:08.000 And especially the the word Al Qaeda when I watched, was it Rambo three, which was Rambo in Afghanistan, and then you watch the credits.

01:18:18.000 And thank you for the brave fighters of Al Qaeda.

01:18:22.000 Is that really it?

01:18:23.000 In the credits, bro.

01:18:24.000 Wow.

01:18:24.000 It's in the credits because he when Rambo three was him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians.

01:18:32.000 That's right.

01:18:33.000 So then we were funding Al Qaeda. 0.85

01:18:36.000 You ever seen the movie Charlie Wilson's war?

01:18:38.000 No.

01:18:39.000 You haven't seen Charlie Wilson's war?

01:18:41.000 Frank Tom Hanks.

01:18:43.000 And he was uh either congressman or senator that figured out a way to funnel money.

01:18:49.000 He knew Congress wasn't going to give like you know like we give we vote to have a package to go to Israel.

01:18:56.000 So he w they weren't gonna vote to give a package to like help us fight or give money and weapons to Al Qaeda to fight the Russians in during their war.

01:19:11.000 So then he figured out a way how to get funding and circumvent it to Al Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians.

01:19:20.000 Because it it's all a part of the Cold War, right?

01:19:22.000 Right, right, right.

01:19:22.000 And like we like in Vietnam, Russia fought us, but through the Viet Cong.

01:19:29.000 And in Afghanistan, we fought them back through Al Qaeda.

01:19:36.000 And that's what's going on in Ukraine right now, too.

01:19:38.000 So what's uh what's the deal with the Ukraine?

01:19:41.000 Because I kind of know what's going on, but I'm kind of confused.

01:19:44.000 Well, we funded.

01:19:46.000 You know, we along with the other European countries fund it.

01:19:51.000 You know, and it's it's kind of the same thing.

01:19:54.000 It's in it in similar ways.

01:19:56.000 But this is what what they really want control over is the resources.

01:20:00.000 There's extraordinary amount.

01:20:01.000 It's soil, but the real thing is the amount of um minerals.

01:20:07.000 Rare earth minerals.

01:20:08.000 For the computer stuff and the phone stuff.

01:20:10.000 Yeah.

01:20:11.000 There's they're they're sitting on an enormous, enormous bounty of rare earth minerals.

01:20:16.000 They also have natural gas.

01:20:18.000 So this was part of the um the the real controversy with why Hunter Biden was running Barisma, which is a Ukrainian energy company.

01:20:30.000 Like why why is he doing that?

01:20:32.000 What what is the deal there?

01:20:33.000 Well, it's like what they were trying to do is control energy and control the the market for that.

01:20:39.000 And he had access through his dad to some big, you know, you know, well, they're got a nice cussy job. 0.92

01:20:46.000 But there's enormous resources in that country.

01:20:49.000 Right.

01:20:50.000 And the the the war is partly over that, right?

01:20:55.000 Partly over we crossed NATO, NATO crossed the line that they weren't supposed to cross.

01:21:00.000 But we're not supposed to to arm them and have them nuclear weapons right next to Russia. 0.70

01:21:05.000 Exactly.

01:21:05.000 Right.

01:21:06.000 It's not we, obviously, but we are a part of NATO.

01:21:09.000 And NATO promised at the end of the Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia and they just kept doing it.

01:21:16.000 Right.

01:21:16.000 And um, you know, the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin would probably take over everything.

01:21:22.000 He'd go through Poland, like you need NATO. 0.93

01:21:24.000 So I see both arguments.

01:21:26.000 I do.

01:21:27.000 And obviously the person who invaded a country is the the bad guy.

01:21:31.000 Yeah, it's the bad guy.

01:21:32.000 That's the bad guy.

01:21:33.000 He went into a country and hundreds of thousands of people are dead now because of it.

01:21:36.000 Right.

01:21:38.000 But we you don't know what the real motivations are of war are until like the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over, and then ten years later somebody writes a book.

01:21:47.000 Right and you go, Oh God.

01:21:50.000 Yeah.

01:21:50.000 It was that?

01:21:51.000 Right.

01:21:52.000 Like you guys just wanted money.

01:21:53.000 You guys just wanted to control oil.

01:21:55.000 You guys just wanted to make sure they stayed on the US dollar.

01:21:58.000 You guys just wanted to do that.

01:22:00.000 Like you were pretending that there was this.

01:22:01.000 Noble cause.

01:22:03.000 The Vietnam War is a perfect example. 1.00

01:22:06.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident.

01:22:07.000 With that boat?

01:22:09.000 Yeah, they made up uh an attack.

01:22:11.000 Right.

01:22:11.000 And then everybody's like, oh my God, they attacked us.

01:22:14.000 They fucked around and now they're gonna find out.

01:22:16.000 We're gonna send our boys.

01:22:18.000 And how many hundreds of thousands of people died, and how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever.

01:22:26.000 How many guys came back just with the horrific memories that they could never shake out of their head?

01:22:32.000 They wake up in the middle of the night screaming, yeah.

01:22:35.000 They see people die, they see their friends die, they maybe have to kill people.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 Trauma.

01:22:42.000 Trauma.

01:22:42.000 And then Muhammad Ali said, fuck you.

01:22:44.000 Yeah.

01:22:45.000 And everybody was like, Oh my god, he is he's a traitor.

01:22:49.000 Right.

01:22:50.000 You you are not supporting America and like half the country, just like you know, anybody today, like half the country's mad at you, and half the country loves you.

01:22:58.000 Right.

01:22:59.000 And after a while became the whole country loved him.

01:23:01.000 They all realized he was right.

01:23:03.000 Is there ever gonna be a point where there'll be one person that the whole country loves?

01:23:07.000 Jesus.

01:23:10.000 Like did it uh it felt like it was like that back in the day.

01:23:15.000 Like there were people.

01:23:16.000 There were some people like that.

01:23:18.000 But now that was before social media.

01:23:19.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 Because even people like that back in the day where the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers in in real life, there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy.

01:23:29.000 You know, there was always someone at the gym talking shit about that.

01:23:32.000 Right, right.

01:23:32.000 People always talk shit.

01:23:33.000 They just didn't have a public forum.

01:23:35.000 But if somebody talks shit about that guy, you know, the people he's talking that shit to, they be like, the fuck is wrong with you.

01:23:42.000 Right.

01:23:42.000 This is a great guy.

01:23:43.000 Right.

01:23:43.000 That's Larry Byrd, son of a bitch.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, how dare you?

01:23:46.000 How dare you?

01:23:46.000 Yeah.

01:23:47.000 Yeah.

01:23:47.000 Just because he beat you in high school, let it go.

01:23:50.000 They're like encouraging it.

01:23:51.000 Right.

01:23:52.000 You know, they want it.

01:23:53.000 They want more of it.

01:23:54.000 Uh yeah.

01:23:56.000 Fucking weird, man.

01:23:57.000 It's uh social media.

01:23:59.000 You know, it's given the voices to people that maybe really didn't earn a voice.

01:24:03.000 Not that it's bad.

01:24:04.000 I don't think it's bad.

01:24:05.000 I don't think it's bad either.

01:24:06.000 I think it's good.

01:24:07.000 I think it's a good idea.

01:24:08.000 Yeah, I think even yeah, even the chaos of that these people that shouldn't get all that attention getting attention, it's like bad for them.

01:24:14.000 It's bad for everybody.

01:24:16.000 But it's better net.

01:24:19.000 Like if you look at like the overall amount of good it does, it's way better than it is bad.

01:24:24.000 But it's just a new thing that everybody has to deal with, and one of the things is the impulse to be a cunt. 0.83

01:24:29.000 Right.

01:24:30.000 But also, like just as a black person growing up and watching the news, right?

01:24:38.000 It always felt slanted and and against us anyway.

01:24:43.000 And then somebody it was either Neil Brennan said this or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brennan, like a a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people already knew.

01:24:53.000 You know, about like not trusting the cops all the time or the FBI all the time, or pharmaceutical drugs.

01:25:00.000 Pharmaceutical drug companies all the time or yeah, they will drop a shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood and fuck it up and ruin it.

01:25:09.000 On purpose.

01:25:10.000 On purpose.

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 Because shit, they they got in poppy fields on another continent where you think that shit is gonna go.

01:25:18.000 You know I've had that dude freeway Ricky Ross on a bunch of times.

01:25:21.000 A bunch of times, right?

01:25:22.000 And he didn't even know who he was selling coke for.

01:25:25.000 He was selling coke for the United States government and had no idea.

01:25:29.000 And he was they were letting him.

01:25:30.000 And he was doing it for the Iran Contra.

01:25:32.000 Uh-huh.

01:25:32.000 Yeah.

01:25:33.000 It was it was uh the con it was yeah, Iran Contra, but it was they were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

01:25:41.000 I he didn't even know.

01:25:42.000 I don't know which side we were funding, but we were funding one of them.

01:25:46.000 The anti the anti-communist side we were funded.

01:25:49.000 Hilarious.

01:25:50.000 The guerrillas who were fighting against the communist government, maybe?

01:25:54.000 There is a bunch of those dudes that are just playing war games.

01:25:57.000 They're playing war games, and they get to do it back in the eighties, back then, they got to do it without any oversight.

01:26:03.000 Right.

01:26:03.000 They just played war games and they lied.

01:26:05.000 And then, you know, you get They're like, just tell them this.

01:26:09.000 Yeah.

01:26:10.000 They just I remember uh Jimmy Tingles, very funny Boston comedian.

01:26:13.000 He had a joke about Ronald Reagan, because they brought Ronald Reagan into trial and they said, uh, did you ever sell arms to Iran?

01:26:20.000 He's like, I don't recall.

01:26:21.000 And he goes, Mr. President.

01:26:23.000 He goes, next time you sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down.

01:26:29.000 He goes, make a note, put it on the refrigerator.

01:26:33.000 So hilarious.

01:26:35.000 But that's where you know, Reagan literally was falling apart at that time, though.

01:26:40.000 People didn't believe it.

01:26:41.000 They're like, come on, he can't remember, but and then again.

01:26:44.000 You don't think that was just the his defense?

01:26:46.000 Because I do think it was his defense.

01:26:48.000 Then you're not you're not perjuring yourself.

01:26:50.000 CIA rec Oh, it's a Contras.

01:26:51.000 Okay.

01:26:52.000 The CIA recruited, funded, and trained the Contras, which included remnants of Somoza's National Guard.

01:26:58.000 I I think he was playing it off, but then I don't know because he did get dementia.

01:27:03.000 He did get dementia.

01:27:04.000 He got Alzheimer's real bad at the end of his life.

01:27:06.000 He couldn't remember shit.

01:27:07.000 But it was I feel like he got the Alzheimer's like 20 years later.

01:27:10.000 I could be wrong.

01:27:11.000 I don't remember years no more.

01:27:13.000 But I don't remember either.

01:27:15.000 I feel it was.

01:27:16.000 I feel like towards the end though, his cognitive function was declining.

01:27:20.000 Definitely.

01:27:20.000 But like that's how it goes with guys in their 70s.

01:27:24.000 Right.

01:27:24.000 Especially if they don't take vitamins.

01:27:27.000 And and if you're Reagan, do you want to remember everything that you did?

01:27:31.000 Definitely not.

01:27:32.000 So definitely not.

01:27:33.000 Alzheimer's is almost like a blessing.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, all those guys.

01:27:36.000 Like George W. Like you don't want to remember nothing.

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:39.000 You don't want to remember the Iraq war where you tricked people into going to Iraq because we got attacked on 9-11 by someone who was funded by the Saudis.

01:27:47.000 Like, what?

01:27:48.000 Why are we in Iraq?

01:27:49.000 Shut up. 0.95

01:27:50.000 Yeah, I feel over there.

01:27:52.000 I feel angry every time I think about that one because I was duped.

01:27:56.000 Like I wanted war.

01:27:58.000 I was like, we gotta go.

01:28:00.000 They got weapons of mass destruction.

01:28:01.000 We gotta go stop them.

01:28:02.000 Like their thing that they ran on the news worked on me.

01:28:07.000 And like I never questioned it.

01:28:10.000 Yeah, I didn't question it either initially.

01:28:12.000 Yeah.

01:28:13.000 Um, but I did I did have a bit about it.

01:28:18.000 Yeah.

01:28:18.000 Where I was like the it was like the only way to for people to find out how dumb people are, like the people that run the world, they don't know you.

01:28:27.000 They don't get to hang out with you.

01:28:28.000 They don't know exactly how dumb you are.

01:28:30.000 They all went to Ivy League schools.

01:28:31.000 How the only way to find out how dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as president and then see if everybody freaks out.

01:28:39.000 And then, you know, the bit was like after he tricked people into going into Iraq and starting the war, and then he got re-elected.

01:28:46.000 I go That was crazy.

01:28:48.000 I go, he won again.

01:28:49.000 He won again.

01:28:50.000 Like the people that run the world are like, wow.

01:28:52.000 And then someone in the back of the room goes, I think we can go dumber.

01:29:01.000 And he was right.

01:29:02.000 He was right.

01:29:02.000 They went dumber.

01:29:04.000 And we all we all felt duped by that one.

01:29:08.000 You know, we all felt duped by a bunch of different ones.

01:29:11.000 One was the financial collapse when the housing market collapsed, and then the the guys started getting bonuses.

01:29:17.000 They have to get their bonuses.

01:29:18.000 The CEOs have to get their bonuses.

01:29:20.000 You're like, what?

01:29:21.000 Wait a minute.

01:29:22.000 You guys, your bank collapsed and you get a bonus?

01:29:26.000 What do we do it?

01:29:27.000 And it's our money?

01:29:28.000 So you're taking our money and you're you're helping save these these banks.

01:29:33.000 Uh-huh.

01:29:34.000 And then the CEOs get bonuses, because if we don't give them a bonus, they'll leave and go somewhere else.

01:29:38.000 Like, what is this logic?

01:29:40.000 Right.

01:29:40.000 The thing I don't understand about 2008 is where did the money go?

01:29:45.000 Exactly.

01:29:46.000 So listen.

01:29:48.000 So these bunch of people had the money.

01:29:50.000 Right.

01:29:50.000 Then they lost it.

01:29:52.000 But when they lost it, it didn't get burned.

01:29:54.000 Somebody else got the money.

01:29:56.000 Exactly.

01:29:57.000 So then why was everybody broke?

01:29:58.000 Like somebody else got rich.

01:30:00.000 Somebody else got rich, but what were they doing with the money?

01:30:02.000 Don't they do why did nobody have money?

01:30:06.000 See, this is where you and I are regular people and we're not financially minded at all.

01:30:11.000 Not at all.

01:30:12.000 Right?

01:30:12.000 So we're not the kind of devious market people that would see an opportunity and take advantage of it, right?

01:30:21.000 So what was the biggest transfer of wealth in modern history?

01:30:25.000 Don't they say that's kind of happening now?

01:30:27.000 COVID.

01:30:28.000 COVID, oh okay.

01:30:30.000 COVID.

01:30:31.000 Biggest transfer of wealth ever.

01:30:33.000 Elaborate on that for me.

01:30:34.000 So what happened was all these mom and pop places got shuttered.

01:30:39.000 Right?

01:30:39.000 You can't go there.

01:30:40.000 You don't have a it's we're in a pandemic.

01:30:44.000 Okay, you can only go to Target during the pandemic.

01:30:46.000 You can only go to McDonald's during a pandemic.

01:30:48.000 You can only go to Wendy's during a pandemic.

01:30:51.000 You can't go there.

01:30:52.000 It's a pandemic.

01:30:53.000 You can't have your comedy club open.

01:30:55.000 It's a pandemic.

01:30:57.000 You can't have this these restaurants?

01:30:59.000 Are you kidding me?

01:31:00.000 That's dangerous.

01:31:02.000 Outdoor dining.

01:31:03.000 What about the optics?

01:31:05.000 Shut it down.

01:31:06.000 And so where's all that money go?

01:31:08.000 Well, that money goes to all the other businesses that can stay open.

01:31:12.000 The major change.

01:31:13.000 Walmart, Target, all these things flourish.

01:31:16.000 The stocks change.

01:31:17.000 Right.

01:31:18.000 Seventy percent plus of all LA restaurants went under.

01:31:22.000 People lost millions of dollars.

01:31:24.000 Where'd that money go?

01:31:25.000 It got legally siphoned into other people's businesses that were allowed to stay open.

01:31:29.000 Right.

01:31:30.000 And also with the stimulus, like a lot of big companies got huge stimulus checks.

01:31:36.000 Like we got some dollars here and there.

01:31:38.000 But they got like a lot of dollars.

01:31:41.000 There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you you only look if you have to look at it like a psychopath, like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works, and if they'll explain it to you, you go, Oh, so that's what they did.

01:31:54.000 Yeah, that's what they did.

01:31:56.000 They told you you had to stay home, they told you how to do this, and why did they extend it for so long to crush the economy?

01:32:01.000 Because it didn't crush the economy for them.

01:32:03.000 Right.

01:32:04.000 It boosted their the more they could keep you from spending money at those places, the more you had to spend money at Amazon.

01:32:12.000 At this, at that, and anything that's open.

01:32:14.000 That's all the they closed the market down.

01:32:16.000 So let me ask you a question.

01:32:18.000 Like how much I and I had this question in my head 20 years ago, because I noticed a lot of greed.

01:32:24.000 Right.

01:32:24.000 And I was like, 20 years ago, I was like, how much people money do the people that got money want?

01:32:30.000 And then now I still have that same question because I feel like those people should have had enough 20 years ago when I asked to be like, all right, let me just chill.

01:32:40.000 It's probably a different set of people who are like they were 20 years ago.

01:32:45.000 But like how much money do people want?

01:32:48.000 And if you get all the money and nobody has anything, do you really have money?

01:32:51.000 Because how are you gonna get more money from people that don't have no money?

01:32:55.000 Because you took it all.

01:32:57.000 Well, no one's gonna get that rich.

01:32:59.000 That's sort of a that's a funny way of looking at it.

01:33:02.000 But the the there's pe there's different kinds of people that make money, right?

01:33:06.000 There's kinds of people that make money because they make a lot of things.

01:33:09.000 That's like Elon Musk.

01:33:10.000 That's his money.

01:33:11.000 Right.

01:33:11.000 And then there's kinds of people that make money that are only trying to make money.

01:33:15.000 That's all they're trying to do.

01:33:16.000 They're trying to do deals, they're trying to do this, they're trying to do that.

01:33:19.000 But the whole idea is just to make money.

01:33:22.000 Elon's thing is to make things.

01:33:25.000 Right.

01:33:25.000 Like he's there to make Starlink.

01:33:27.000 He's there to give internet access to people all over the world.

01:33:30.000 He's there to make electric cars, he's there to make electric roofs, he's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring them back down and land.

01:33:38.000 He's he's tr making things, and because of making things, he's the richest guy on earth.

01:33:44.000 Right.

01:33:44.000 By the way, publicly, that's different than the real world.

01:33:49.000 Right.

01:33:49.000 Like the real world, it might be Putin, it might be some some king in in the Middle East.

01:33:55.000 Federal Reserves who runs that?

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 Well, that's different too, because it's not like individuals, but yeah, it's a good point.

01:34:01.000 But they could just print.

01:34:03.000 But the actual one richest person in the world in America, at least, the way we Forbes 500 guy is the guy who makes the most stuff.

01:34:10.000 It's Elon.

01:34:11.000 Right.

01:34:12.000 You know, and then you have the guys that are just trying to make money.

01:34:16.000 That's a different kind of cat.

01:34:18.000 So those guys who're just trying to make money, those are the weird ones.

01:34:21.000 Because they're just a number people.

01:34:22.000 They're number people.

01:34:24.000 And so if they're thinking about numbers all the time, then they don't give a fuck about you.

01:34:27.000 They're just trying to make more numbers and that you get more and most socio sociopathic as you go down that road.

01:34:34.000 Right.

01:34:35.000 But so my question is, is there an equation, right, to prove that that that like our brains can't do it, but could somebody into money, is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace than war.

01:34:56.000 Yes.

01:34:56.000 For sure.

01:34:58.000 Um why pushing this equation?

01:35:01.000 Because um it's the easiest way to do it.

01:35:04.000 The easiest way to do it is war. 0.99

01:35:06.000 Because you trick people into doing it, and you can control an entire country.

01:35:10.000 And you know, it's like you're not gonna make the same amount.

01:35:13.000 It's like there's groups of people that will make the most amount of money from war.

01:35:18.000 For sure, military defense contractors.

01:35:21.000 They make the most amount from a war.

01:35:23.000 That is their business.

01:35:24.000 Like, and you can't fault them.

01:35:26.000 That's what they do.

01:35:26.000 You need them because you need a you need them.

01:35:29.000 And they have a stronghold already that they're not gonna give up.

01:35:31.000 They're like a pit bull that wants to convince you to let it off the leash.

01:35:35.000 Let me off the leash, Dad.

01:35:38.000 You see this fucking German Shepherd talking shit, talking shit. 1.00

01:35:43.000 Bro, this is over in five seconds.

01:35:46.000 Every time we walk by here, they barking and yapping.

01:35:48.000 Let's shut this down.

01:35:49.000 Their business is to make shit and not only just make shit, make better shit all the time.

01:35:53.000 And I was thinking that the other day, I was like, if they're always making new jets, like what do they do with the old jets?

01:35:58.000 They kind of have to blow them up.

01:36:00.000 They kind of have to like go launch some missiles.

01:36:02.000 They have these extra missiles from like that they never killed anybody with that are just sitting around, they're gonna go bad.

01:36:07.000 Stop.

01:36:09.000 Yeah, with expiration dates on it.

01:36:10.000 That's their business man.

01:36:12.000 It's like that Nicholas Cage movie.

01:36:14.000 Wasn't Nicholas Cage movie about a guy who uh sold arms?

01:36:17.000 Lord of War.

01:36:18.000 That's right.

01:36:18.000 Oh, yeah, Lord of War.

01:36:19.000 If you're selling weapons, you want a war.

01:36:22.000 You know, and those are the guys that are getting the giganto contracts, and then some guy comes in and he's like, I pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been.

01:36:34.000 Yeah.

01:36:35.000 And those guys are run to the stock market, buy, buy, buy, Raytheon, buy, buy, Boeing.

01:36:40.000 But what we as people, why are we buying this?

01:36:43.000 Because we know the deal.

01:36:44.000 We do know the deal, but we're only learning the deal now.

01:36:46.000 Right.

01:36:47.000 Right?

01:36:47.000 Like as a culture, I think it's only been like ten years where people are like, wait, what the fuck is going on?

01:36:52.000 I think ten years ago, most people think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

01:36:57.000 Even I had my doubts, and I'm like the most gullible motherfucker in the world.

01:37:00.000 You had your doubts?

01:37:01.000 Good.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:02.000 I I I knew there was something up with the story a long time ago because I read a book.

01:37:07.000 But if you're the average person 20 years ago, you're not gonna buy any of these wacky conspiracy theories.

01:37:12.000 Yeah, you were the crazy person, people stop talking to you.

01:37:15.000 Exactly.

01:37:15.000 You got exiled from society.

01:37:17.000 Exactly.

01:37:18.000 Now someone that you're close with sends you a video and you just watch this and you're like, what?

01:37:24.000 Yeah.

01:37:25.000 Oh my god, they killed Kennedy.

01:37:27.000 Oh my God.

01:37:28.000 And you watch and you're like, what?

01:37:30.000 And he some guy comes on a podcast, you're like, oh my god, they framed Nixon.

01:37:33.000 What?

01:37:34.000 Oh my god.

01:37:35.000 Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said?

01:37:36.000 Nah.

01:37:37.000 Bill Murray came in here, and um the same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon, he um wrote a book on John Belushi.

01:37:48.000 And John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends.

01:37:51.000 And so Bill said he read the first five pages and he was like, Oh my god, they framed Nixon.

01:37:55.000 Oh, right.

01:37:56.000 So the m the book was so full of shit.

01:38:00.000 It was so made up, like it was this made up character of John Belushi, who he was with all the time.

01:38:06.000 Right.

01:38:06.000 Like he didn't know John Belushi.

01:38:07.000 John Belushi died of a drug overdose, so he fabricated this crazy wild thing and called it wired.

01:38:13.000 And he said he read five pages of it.

01:38:15.000 It's like, oh my god, they frame Nixon.

01:38:17.000 Damn.

01:38:17.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:38:19.000 One of the most disgraced presidents of all time frame.

01:38:22.000 So was he a good guy?

01:38:24.000 Because he got rid of the gold standard.

01:38:26.000 He was not a good guy.

01:38:27.000 Listen, this is this this is not a binary thing.

01:38:29.000 Nixon was not a good guy.

01:38:30.000 Nixon also passed that sweeping psychedelics act that made everything illegal.

01:38:36.000 And he did that specifically to target the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement.

01:38:40.000 Specifically.

01:38:41.000 They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, they want to put them in jail.

01:38:46.000 And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass, they were all eating mushrooms, they were all doing LSD, just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them.

01:38:55.000 And that's what they did.

01:38:56.000 And they they changed the entire the direction of the culture.

01:39:01.000 Like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization.

01:39:06.000 Because who knows where we would be as a culture if psychedelics were legal this entire time from 1974.

01:39:14.000 So should we thank Bob Woodward or that he did.

01:39:19.000 Bob Woodward was an intelligence agency.

01:39:20.000 Right.

01:39:21.000 Agency guy.

01:39:22.000 He was um he was a naval intelligence officer.

01:39:25.000 And his first project as a reporter was Watergate.

01:39:30.000 That's crazy.

01:39:32.000 Why would they give that to a guy where it's his first project?

01:39:36.000 His first major story is the biggest story in the history of the world, and he just happens to be a naval intelligence agent.

01:39:45.000 What?

01:39:47.000 There's like senior reporters.

01:39:49.000 There's these people that are like beating the street.

01:39:51.000 They're they're out there every day.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, they must have been.

01:39:53.000 And the guys who broke into Watergate, they're all FBI.

01:39:57.000 So here's the thing.

01:39:58.000 Nixon didn't have knowledge of it, but then they brought it to Nixon and he covered it up.

01:40:02.000 And then they're like, gotcha.

01:40:04.000 And that's how they got rid of him.

01:40:05.000 And they also got rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his vice president.

01:40:09.000 They got him on corruption charges.

01:40:11.000 They kicked him out, put in Gerald Ford.

01:40:13.000 Gerald Ford was in the Warren Commission.

01:40:16.000 Oh.

01:40:17.000 And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy and trying to get to the bottom of it.

01:40:25.000 Why why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of Kennedy?

01:40:28.000 Because he was worried they were gonna kill him.

01:40:29.000 Because he knew Bobby Kennedy.

01:40:31.000 Because he lost to Kennedy.

01:40:33.000 John Kennedy was excuse me.

01:40:35.000 He lost to JFK in a previous election.

01:40:38.000 Right.

01:40:39.000 And you know, he knew that guy.

01:40:41.000 Like and and he knew who killed him.

01:40:44.000 And he started talking about it.

01:40:46.000 And the problem with talking about it is they were like, get rid of them.

01:40:49.000 I never thought you know he was like, he won at the time, it was the he was the m most popular president of all time.

01:40:57.000 Like he won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever.

01:41:01.000 And we look at him like a crook.

01:41:03.000 Right.

01:41:03.000 He was a and by the way, probably was.

01:41:06.000 At the very least, he did cover up that crime.

01:41:08.000 He didn't say, What?

01:41:09.000 They did what?

01:41:10.000 Don't no, I'm gonna we're gonna make a press conference and we're gonna fucking find who did it and we're gonna come clean.

01:41:14.000 Instead, he tried to cover it up.

01:41:16.000 But to me, like when I think about Watergate from what I remember of it, was it really that big of a deal?

01:41:22.000 Like it's so sensationalized.

01:41:23.000 What what what was the real crime?

01:41:25.000 Like what was the Somebody broke in somewhere.

01:41:28.000 And they installed recording equipment so they could listen in on people.

01:41:32.000 And who are they listening in on?

01:41:33.000 To the Democratic Party.

01:41:34.000 So the Republicans are listening to the Democrats.

01:41:36.000 Okay.

01:41:37.000 As they're getting ready to campaign against them.

01:41:40.000 It's kind of illegal.

01:41:41.000 It's it's definitely illegal.

01:41:43.000 But it's not that big of a deal because they're doing that to you right now.

01:41:46.000 Right.

01:41:46.000 Like if you have your phone and you're, you know, and you're you know me.

01:41:51.000 If you know me, your phone is bugged.

01:41:53.000 Right.

01:41:56.000 Good luck.

01:41:57.000 All those dick pics you sent out, those are all out in the ether, son.

01:42:01.000 And you know, that that is something that we had to find out from Edward Snowden.

01:42:07.000 Okay.

01:42:07.000 You know, when when that was exposed, and we learned, like, oh God, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret that's been around forever and the NSA has been running it.

01:42:17.000 Like all that what Nixon was doing was just a version of that.

01:42:23.000 Or not even Nixon doing, but what his what the the crime was was a version of that, listening in on your opponents.

01:42:29.000 They probably all listen to each other now.

01:42:30.000 Right.

01:42:31.000 They probably all hack into each other's emails.

01:42:32.000 They probably hire hackers to hack each other's phones and hacking each other's emails and shit. 0.51

01:42:37.000 And you know, they do that, man.

01:42:39.000 It's just there it's a dirty game.

01:42:42.000 I mean, they they've turned that dirty political game into like life.

01:42:46.000 Like you said, if I know you, yeah, my phone is hacked.

01:42:49.000 Or just the is it the NSA?

01:42:52.000 Or is who knows?

01:42:54.000 There's probably organizations that are new that we don't even know of.

01:42:57.000 Right.

01:42:57.000 You know, they look like too many people know about the CIA.

01:43:00.000 Let's branch out.

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:01.000 Like with something new.

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:03.000 And you need intelligence agencies because the world is a dirty dark place filled with monsters, and a lot of them we put there.

01:43:10.000 But they're still monsters.

01:43:12.000 And like, look, I'm sorry.

01:43:13.000 I'm sorry we got monsters, but we have to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets.

01:43:18.000 Trump executive order quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency.

01:43:21.000 What?

01:43:22.000 How much?

01:43:24.000 Yeah, this happened uh a couple weeks ago.

01:43:26.000 What?

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 They spy from space?

01:43:28.000 I don't know.

01:43:28.000 What does it mean?

01:43:29.000 The executive order came out and there's just a redesignation, I think, of what NASA is officially.

01:43:35.000 I don't know.

01:43:36.000 That's uh could it be nonsense or it could mean something important, you know.

01:43:40.000 Is this a legit like uh did they change the name of it?

01:43:43.000 No, it's still called NASA as far as I know.

01:43:44.000 Well, yeah, here the order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work.

01:43:56.000 What?

01:43:57.000 Why would they do that?

01:43:58.000 The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its sixty-seven year lifespan.

01:44:07.000 Not to mention that science and exploration stuff.

01:44:10.000 NASA watch founder Keith Cowing, former scientist and agency at the agency now closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a blog post there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spy craft.

01:44:26.000 The order also added that NASA NASA to the Federal Service Labor Management Relations Statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation.

01:44:36.000 Ooh.

01:44:37.000 The news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change.

01:44:52.000 I wonder if this is because of private space companies.

01:44:58.000 Because they're so far ahead.

01:45:00.000 Like Blue Origin is far ahead of what NASA does.

01:45:04.000 Tesla SpaceX is very far ahead of anything that they do.

01:45:09.000 It's almost like you leave it in the hands of private companies.

01:45:11.000 They could do a better job of space anyway.

01:45:14.000 And then turn NASA into this?

01:45:16.000 No, I don't like it.

01:45:17.000 Why are you doing that?

01:45:18.000 The last thing we need is more spine.

01:45:21.000 But I feel like when you turn something into a spy agency, it already was.

01:45:24.000 Right.

01:45:25.000 And you're just like, let's just make it official.

01:45:27.000 Right.

01:45:27.000 They put satellites in overhead.

01:45:29.000 Right.

01:45:29.000 And when we watch movies and they they like looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie, like they're using they're t they're giving away kind of what's really happening.

01:45:42.000 Oh, for sure.

01:45:43.000 So it is basically uh a spy, you know, organization.

01:45:49.000 Well, if they're launching spy satellites, they're a spy organization.

01:45:53.000 Right.

01:45:53.000 Right?

01:45:54.000 If NASA's launching satellites, that's mostly what they're launching.

01:45:57.000 They're not putting anybody on other planets anymore, allegedly.

01:46:00.000 And they're not doing anything with the space shuttle anymore.

01:46:03.000 So what are they doing?

01:46:04.000 Why not be a spy agency?

01:46:06.000 You gotta stay open.

01:46:07.000 Yeah, and they can't.

01:46:11.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:46:12.000 I think they took them into a room and they said, listen, aliens are real.

01:46:15.000 There's spaceships we have are all bullshit.

01:46:18.000 We have a couple years left.

01:46:19.000 Well, so uh use it for something else.

01:46:22.000 We're not we're not gonna travel to the moon anymore.

01:46:24.000 Settle down.

01:46:26.000 I mean I'm just even the alien shit.

01:46:31.000 Like I believe in aliens.

01:46:34.000 I don't really got a lot of proof.

01:46:37.000 But the the denial of it is my proof.

01:46:40.000 Right.

01:46:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:46:41.000 Right.

01:46:42.000 The the harsh denial.

01:46:44.000 Just like how we were talking about back in the day.

01:46:46.000 If you didn't like the guy that everybody liked, they ostracized you.

01:46:49.000 If you believe in aliens, they ostracized you.

01:46:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:53.000 And everything from the it's like when they used to teach us you gotta drink milk.

01:46:57.000 Strengthens your bones.

01:46:59.000 Then you realize milk pass a certain amount of time, if you keep drinking it, it's bad for you.

01:47:03.000 Like everything that was bad for you is good for you, and everything that was good for you, we find out is bad for you.

01:47:10.000 Also it comes around again because the real milk that you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk.

01:47:14.000 Right.

01:47:14.000 The reason why milk is not so good for you, especially low fat milk, is because there's not your body's like, what is this?

01:47:21.000 Right.

01:47:22.000 Like you've you've boiled out all the enzymes and killed all the living organisms in it.

01:47:26.000 It's just like this weird protein liquid that I'm drinking and makes you fart and you feel weird.

01:47:32.000 You drink real milk, like raw milk.

01:47:34.000 I had raw milk the other day and I drank it.

01:47:35.000 I was like, oh, this is what milk's supposed to taste like.

01:47:39.000 This is so much better.

01:47:41.000 It's way better.

01:47:42.000 And it's illegal.

01:47:43.000 Meanwhile, oxygen.

01:47:45.000 Why is it illegal?

01:47:46.000 Glyphosate's legal.

01:47:48.000 There's all sorts of shit that's legal, like roundup.

01:47:50.000 What the fuck is glyphosate?

01:47:51.000 Oh, roundup.

01:47:52.000 That's spraying.

01:47:56.000 Not just people cancer, like anybody close to a golf course.

01:48:00.000 There's there was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease, like that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course.

01:48:08.000 And glyphosate was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German company, Bear.

01:48:13.000 Exactly.

01:48:14.000 So then maybe Monsanto bought Bear or did Bear bought Monsanto.

01:48:19.000 Of course.

01:48:20.000 And and you need to have something for your escape fucking glyphosate poisoning.

01:48:24.000 Yeah.

01:48:24.000 Not that I can't even remember the order of the shit because of glyphosate poison it.

01:48:28.000 That's nuts.

01:48:29.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:48:30.000 It's wild.

01:48:30.000 And they spray that shit on everything.

01:48:32.000 Not only do they spray that shit on everything, they make certain plants, they were they're genetically designed to be resistant to roundup so you could spray more of it on the corn.

01:48:41.000 And then the thing is they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out, apparently.

01:48:46.000 That's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in, your system is totally unnecessary.

01:48:51.000 They just do it to speed up the process.

01:48:53.000 But that's my thing.

01:48:54.000 It's like why?

01:48:55.000 Like this shit is so gross.

01:49:00.000 It's gross, right?

01:49:02.000 Like sometimes, right?

01:49:04.000 The money they spend to lie.

01:49:07.000 Right?

01:49:08.000 It's like you could have put that money into making the shit healthy and good.

01:49:14.000 Yeah.

01:49:14.000 They can't though.

01:49:15.000 They're their objects the problem is corporations as as a entity, the way it's been established, the way it's set up, corporations as an entity always want to make more money.

01:49:26.000 Right.

01:49:26.000 And when you always want to make more money, you figure out a way to make more money.

01:49:28.000 And if you can bullshit your way into making more money at the other people's expense, that's what you do.

01:49:33.000 And then you justify it and you have lawyers and you fucking keep people in court and you drag it out and then you you know you accept uh a small uh percentage of the profits that you pay off people with because they got damaged by your product and you keep moving.

01:49:47.000 Because you're a piece of shit and you don't care.

01:49:49.000 But all say you you say you win.

01:49:52.000 Say you make some money.

01:49:54.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 But you spent some money.

01:49:56.000 You spent so much money like with the lawsuits, uh-huh, keeping people in court.

01:50:02.000 But I feel like you made more money than you s than you spent, but the money you spent could have been spent to make a good healthy product.

01:50:12.000 So you wouldn't even have to depend on what you're talking about. 'Cause like if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no.

01:50:18.000 The the way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you gotta do some shenanigans.

01:50:23.000 You gotta some shenanigans.

01:50:25.000 You gotta do some shenanigans, you gotta mandate medications, and you gotta brainwash people into thinking that they should be on your side.

01:50:32.000 And that if and then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization.

01:50:39.000 Like whatever it is.

01:50:40.000 Like come up with whatever fucking people are gonna die, your kids are gonna die, everyone's gonna be born retarded. 0.99

01:50:45.000 You just find a way to get people to believe, and they'll just all climb on board.

01:50:50.000 They'll all climb on board because uh a lot of people are cowards.

01:50:54.000 And that's that's what happens in this world.

01:50:56.000 And that's where it gets really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money and an enormous amount of influence, and then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows.

01:51:06.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

01:51:07.000 And that makes it look legitimate.

01:51:11.000 It makes the TV show look legit, and you're watching publicly uh an evil union.

01:51:19.000 You're in in it's an evil union between the truth and money where money always wins, and money will distort the truth.

01:51:26.000 It's and they're allowed to do that.

01:51:28.000 It's crazy because uh when I was growing up in New York, I got bamboozled once for a hundred dollars.

01:51:36.000 Three card money, but wasn't it?

01:51:38.000 Nah.

01:51:38.000 I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall and I was leaving and there was this dude and he was holding a brand new box with a V CR in it.

01:51:50.000 And he's like trying to sell it.

01:51:52.000 I was like, how much?

01:51:53.000 And he's like, a hundred dollars.

01:51:57.000 Hey man, could I see it first before I give you the hundred dollars?

01:52:00.000 He's like, no, if I open, rip away the plastic and open this box, and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because they won't it won't be new.

01:52:10.000 And I was like, this is a deal.

01:52:14.000 Was it a brick?

01:52:16.000 Brick.

01:52:16.000 I gave them the hundred dollars, got on the bus, didn't even have a car, got on the bus, drove home, opened the brick.

01:52:23.000 Open.

01:52:24.000 Paper, then brick.

01:52:26.000 But that one hundred dollars Saved me so much.

01:52:31.000 Yes.

01:52:32.000 Because I always like I was just always on a swivel looking out for like where is the trick.

01:52:41.000 And then sometimes I just wouldn't do something if I didn't even see the trick because I was like, ah, there's this something here.

01:52:48.000 But then the Iraq war was like my the version of the VCR like recently.

01:52:54.000 Like that shit.

01:52:54.000 They gotcha.

01:52:55.000 That they got me.

01:52:56.000 They they sold me to be.

01:53:00.000 Yeah, I was in New York.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:53:03.000 I was I saw it on TV from the West Coast.

01:53:07.000 But the people that were there, I think it hit you a lot even even harder.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I mean it has to have hit you way harder.

01:53:13.000 If I felt it when I went back there, which was like a few months later, I felt it.

01:53:18.000 Yeah.

01:53:18.000 It felt different.

01:53:20.000 Yeah, that shit, like I was I was living in LA, but I was visiting.

01:53:27.000 Oh.

01:53:28.000 And I was so homesick for New York when I'd go back to New York back then, I'd stay a while.

01:53:33.000 You know.

01:53:34.000 And then the night before the Trade Center went down, you know, Will Silvins.

01:53:41.000 Mm-hmm.

01:53:41.000 He was living in Jersey City.

01:53:42.000 And I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City.

01:53:45.000 So then he's like, I'm gonna have some people over.

01:53:47.000 So I took the train and took the World Trade Center, the train, the path train.

01:53:53.000 And it's funny because back then when I was living here and going to New York, I was like, let me look around.

01:53:57.000 Like I missed this place.

01:53:59.000 Let me there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before.

01:54:03.000 And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down, like damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit.

01:54:13.000 And I got on the train, went to Will's crib, and then I got a ride home that night.

01:54:18.000 So next morning my sister woke me up and I'm like watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it.

01:54:25.000 Wow.

01:54:26.000 And then I was like, I was yesterday.

01:54:31.000 And then I'm watching I was like, that ain't another plane.

01:54:36.000 As I did it.

01:54:37.000 And then I almost hit under the bed.

01:54:41.000 How far away were you miles wise?

01:54:43.000 I was in Long Island.

01:54:46.000 So 50?

01:54:48.000 50.

01:54:48.000 Like an hour drive.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:51.000 But I j just like I was like, we're under attack.

01:54:54.000 And you're like, I don't know what his attacks are coming from.

01:54:57.000 And I don't normally feel like a coward, but I was like, something where they gonna attack next.

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:04.000 You know?

01:55:05.000 So it was just that type of a vibe.

01:55:07.000 But I'm worried that another one of those is coming.

01:55:11.000 And the danger of that is obviously people are gonna die and obviously it could be horrific if something does happen, if a terrorist attack does happen.

01:55:24.000 But the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences of what we do overseas, it means something here.

01:55:32.000 It's not just it's not just a video on your phone.

01:55:36.000 People are dying and we're funding it, and there's there's real evil in the world.

01:55:43.000 Evil's a real thing.

01:55:45.000 You could not believe in the devil and you could not believe in God, but evil actions are d documented for out for throughout history.

01:55:54.000 And there's only one way to combat evil.

01:55:57.000 You know, you you have to you have to have a strong force of good.

01:56:01.000 But that that good has to be really good.

01:56:04.000 It has to actually be good.

01:56:05.000 And if it's pretending to be good and it's actually participating in evil, and then you you find out about it and you're like, well, what the fu this is like in 193, this guy, Smedley Butler, Major Dr General Smedley Butler, he wrote a book called War is a Racket in 1933.

01:56:23.000 Damn, that's early.

01:56:24.000 1933.

01:56:25.000 That's pretty early.

01:56:26.000 And he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people, but he was really there to make you know make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do.

01:56:36.000 Control oil and control whatever minerals or gold or whatever the hell they were doing.

01:56:41.000 But he realized at the end of his career, war is a racket. 0.59

01:56:45.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 And this is 33 man.

01:56:48.000 They tried to get him to overthrow the government.

01:56:50.000 The American government?

01:56:51.000 They tried to get they tried to get him to participate in a military coup against the government.

01:56:57.000 Who who was in charge back then?

01:56:59.000 We just went over off the other day, right?

01:57:01.000 Jamie will pull it up.

01:57:03.000 Is before our time.

01:57:04.000 So this is I think this happened prior to that.

01:57:09.000 So 32 maybe, something like that.

01:57:11.000 Some Woodrow Wilson shit.

01:57:13.000 Some old timey shit.

01:57:14.000 Well, They could just bro, they just got away with things back then.

01:57:18.000 And now they have to hide it on layers and layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and money being flowed around and it's just it's all bullshit.

01:57:32.000 And it's that bullshit is all over the news and everyone's confused, and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys.

01:57:41.000 And the more people get scared, the more people start looking for white hats and black hats.

01:57:45.000 And confusion is the greatest weapon.

01:57:46.000 So here it is.

01:57:47.000 33.

01:57:48.000 Uh the United States, okay.

01:57:51.000 The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch was uh the White House put how do you is that push?

01:57:57.000 Putsch. 0.82

01:57:57.000 You said it right, because it's it's a German word, because they they had puts in Germany. 0.82

01:58:01.000 So it was a conspiracy in 33 in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator, a retired military corpse major general, testified under oath that wells wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt.

01:58:21.000 So they almost overthrew Roosevelt.

01:58:23.000 Imagine if he went along with that.

01:58:25.000 In 34, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un American activities on these revelations, although no one was prosecuted, the congress prosecuted.

01:58:37.000 That's wild.

01:58:38.000 Typical.

01:58:39.000 Even back then they're full shit.

01:58:40.000 That's 90 years ago.

01:58:42.000 The Congressional Committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.

01:58:54.000 Motherfuckers. 1.00

01:58:55.000 I mean, these motherfuckers have been dirty from the gym. 1.00

01:58:59.000 Dirty from day one.

01:59:00.000 Yeah, dirty from day one.

01:59:01.000 Smedley, God bless him, with that face.

01:59:03.000 I wouldn't trust him, but he was more trustworthy than his face.

01:59:06.000 He had cash patell eyes.

01:59:11.000 He probably needed glasses.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, shitty glasses back there.

01:59:14.000 Yeah, shitty glasses.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, it's cash with tell like cash, like do something.

01:59:21.000 To look more believable.

01:59:22.000 When you're not telling the truth and you're doing that, it's a problem.

01:59:28.000 Like job.

01:59:30.000 Like you say, I'm gonna uncover the truth, and you get into office and they're like, this is where your kids sleep, this is this is where your mom lives, this is uh yeah.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:40.000 That's it's cold.

01:59:41.000 It's cold.

01:59:42.000 Like no you you you realize how deep the the web runs.

01:59:46.000 Yeah and how the web's gonna be there after you're gone.

01:59:48.000 You're gonna be here for four years, you know, while this guy's the president, and as soon as he's out, once we take over again, yeah.

01:59:54.000 That's the promise the promise of something better.

01:59:57.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 From either party.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, because both of them ain't shit.

02:00:00.000 Yep.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 And you can only switch parties once.

02:00:02.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 Oh, back and forth and back and forth.

02:00:04.000 Nobody has.

02:00:05.000 People have switched.

02:00:06.000 They've gone from Democrat to Republican.

02:00:08.000 And I think have people gone from Republican to Democrat?

02:00:11.000 I believe so.

02:00:13.000 If you're a politician or just if you're like a regular citizen.

02:00:18.000 Um, as a citizen, you can go back and forth all you want.

02:00:23.000 You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic and do it every month.

02:00:25.000 Hilarious.

02:00:27.000 I mean, I don't even blame someone who does that.

02:00:30.000 Because if you're a public person though, like and you switch sides, you can only switch sides once.

02:00:36.000 If you're a politician.

02:00:37.000 Yeah, but it's weird when people do because they don't just switch sides with like who they vote for.

02:00:43.000 They switch their whole ideology.

02:00:46.000 Right.

02:00:46.000 And it's ju usually like what I see recently, it's from uh liberal to they get red pilled and then they become a conservative.

02:00:55.000 But then they go all in and conservative.

02:00:57.000 Like all in.

02:00:58.000 They go hard.

02:00:59.000 They like they might even go to the point where why is why is gay marriage real? 0.98

02:01:03.000 You know, they they might get crazy.

02:01:04.000 Right, right.

02:01:05.000 And then um it's hard to take them seriously, because now you made a 180 degree shift when you're in your forties.

02:01:11.000 Like really?

02:01:12.000 You changed everything you believe in.

02:01:15.000 I think you have to prove so hard to people that's been Republicans that you're Republicans that you go overboard.

02:01:22.000 You gotta go hard.

02:01:23.000 It's like like I grew up in Long Island, there's some hard pockets of hardcore motherfuckers there, but they were trying to be Brooklyn.

02:01:30.000 But they're not in Brooklyn.

02:01:31.000 So you ain't gonna get the respect of Brooklyn.

02:01:32.000 You ain't gonna get the respect of Bronx.

02:01:34.000 You Long Island.

02:01:35.000 So it's like we gotta while out down here.

02:01:37.000 Right.

02:01:38.000 Like we gotta go hard.

02:01:39.000 And so you had a place like wine dance, like you you don't want to go to wine dance.

02:01:46.000 Wine dance.

02:01:46.000 Yeah, one wine dance.

02:01:48.000 It just I've never even heard of it.

02:01:49.000 Yeah, it was it was it's tough down there.

02:01:51.000 Some rap, some good rappers came out of wine dance too.

02:01:54.000 Well, Wu Tank came out of Staten Island, which is crazy.

02:01:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:56.000 Right?

02:01:57.000 Yeah.

02:01:57.000 Staten Island was wild too.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, it's just like you don't think of Staten Island as being the the birthplace of the greatest rap group of all time.

02:02:04.000 True.

02:02:05.000 But they had the credit of being a borough.

02:02:08.000 Like Long Island.

02:02:09.000 That's true.

02:02:11.000 Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, but Long Island is like, what are you?

02:02:16.000 Suburbs.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, you're the suburbs.

02:02:18.000 Suburbs.

02:02:18.000 But they're like, no, no, we we get down.

02:02:20.000 We get down.

02:02:21.000 They got good pizza.

02:02:23.000 Like, shut up.

02:02:24.000 It's not the same.

02:02:25.000 You're non borough.

02:02:26.000 It's not yeah, it's true.

02:02:28.000 It's different, right?

02:02:28.000 People think it is different.

02:02:30.000 Is it considered a borough officially?

02:02:31.000 Nah, it's not.

02:02:32.000 It's not.

02:02:33.000 Like you grew up in Boston.

02:02:35.000 Yep.

02:02:36.000 Like, like, were you in Boston, Boston?

02:02:39.000 And if you were, what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left out of the notoriety?

02:02:45.000 Right.

02:02:46.000 Like, like they weren't getting the street cred.

02:02:48.000 They had zero street cred.

02:02:50.000 Right.

02:02:50.000 You know.

02:02:50.000 Wuburn.

02:02:51.000 Wuberne.

02:02:52.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:02:54.000 Framingham.

02:02:55.000 Outside of Boston.

02:02:57.000 Yeah.

02:02:57.000 But you wanna be.

02:02:58.000 Like if they go somewhere.

02:03:01.000 Yeah.

02:03:01.000 They would say they're from Boston.

02:03:02.000 They say they're from Boston.

02:03:03.000 100%.

02:03:04.000 Yeah.

02:03:05.000 But the regular Boston people will get mad at you.

02:03:07.000 They'll call you out.

02:03:07.000 Yeah.

02:03:08.000 Oh, you're from Wu-Burn. 0.96

02:03:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:10.000 Fuck are you talking about?

02:03:11.000 New York is like that too.

02:03:12.000 Like I I'm from New York.

02:03:13.000 What part?

02:03:15.000 Yes.

02:03:15.000 Westchester.

02:03:16.000 Yeah, you're not gonna pass the second part of the where you from quiz.

02:03:20.000 Exactly.

02:03:20.000 And that's when they go in on it.

02:03:22.000 Unless you say right off the bat, you know, I'm from Queens.

02:03:25.000 Right.

02:03:26.000 Like, oh, okay.

02:03:27.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 That's real.

02:03:28.000 There's no second question once you say Queens.

02:03:30.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Uh I'm from the Bronx.

02:03:31.000 Oh, okay.

02:03:32.000 Yeah.

02:03:32.000 She's Jenny from the Bronx.

02:03:34.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 It's always you know what?

02:03:36.000 If you're trying to lie, just name, like you said, name the part you're from.

02:03:42.000 Like where you're from.

02:03:43.000 But if you say New York, that's when shit is suspect.

02:03:46.000 Sarasota.

02:03:47.000 Sarasota New York.

02:03:48.000 Yeah.

02:03:49.000 I'm from uh Albany.

02:03:50.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 You I used to think it was all one place.

02:03:54.000 Hilarious.

02:03:55.000 L living in Boston.

02:03:56.000 I didn't know.

02:03:56.000 I was like, what do so what is the difference in these boroughs?

02:03:59.000 Like, oh, you want a 212 area code.

02:04:01.000 You do?

02:04:02.000 Like, why?

02:04:03.000 Why do you care?

02:04:03.000 I remember that was a big thing about um LA.

02:04:06.000 Like that was one of the things about Brody Stevens.

02:04:09.000 818 till I die.

02:04:11.000 Like you when you lived in the valley, you had an 818 area code and people looked down at you.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 People would make jokes about it.

02:04:18.000 I don't date people that aren't 310 or 213.

02:04:21.000 Yeah.

02:04:22.000 I mean, that's why Brody was funny.

02:04:25.000 Because he stood on his.

02:04:27.000 He stood on 818.

02:04:29.000 He stood on the valley.

02:04:30.000 He stood on the valley.

02:04:31.000 Normally nobody rap for the valley.

02:04:33.000 You do like I do.

02:04:34.000 I say I'm from New York.

02:04:35.000 I'm from LA.

02:04:36.000 He didn't say I'm from LA.

02:04:38.000 He said I'm from Roseda.

02:04:39.000 He named the town, named uh the the aerial code of his phone number, and like stood on that shit. 0.54

02:04:46.000 Like For sure.

02:04:47.000 You know?

02:04:48.000 Dude, I never even tried to live in LA.

02:04:50.000 I was like w the moment I moved there, I was like, uh uh, I'm not doing this.

02:04:55.000 I gotta get outside of this thing.

02:04:56.000 I gotta get outside of this thing and then go visit I don't want to live in that thing.

02:05:00.000 Because I had friends that like lived like in West Hollywood.

02:05:03.000 Like my friend Eddie lived like in West Hollywood, like right in the heat of everything.

02:05:08.000 And I was like, damn, dude, he goes, I like being like right where everything is.

02:05:10.000 I'm like, yeah, but this is also right where everything is.

02:05:13.000 Like, how do you sleep?

02:05:15.000 That's that's but it felt like that's what you you moved to Hollywood to be in Hollywood to become a part.

02:05:21.000 That's that's that that was the thinking.

02:05:23.000 Yeah.

02:05:24.000 So even like I've known you, even you saying you never lived there, that's a shock to me.

02:05:29.000 Yeah, my thinking was the opposite.

02:05:31.000 I think it was like I gotta get outside of this thing.

02:05:33.000 Damn.

02:05:34.000 Well I I found out I I lived in Bell Canyon for a while, and one of the things like Where the hell's that?

02:05:38.000 It's 30 miles outside of LA.

02:05:41.000 That's where I live most of the time I was in LA.

02:05:43.000 Get the fuck.

02:05:44.000 Yeah.

02:05:44.000 Yeah, I bought a house out there in ninety seven.

02:05:47.000 What?

02:05:48.000 Yeah.

02:05:48.000 Like when I first started making money, I'm like, I gotta get away from all these people.

02:05:52.000 Shit.

02:05:53.000 I wanted to be in like wilderness.

02:05:55.000 First of all, I have dogs.

02:05:57.000 I needed a backyard.

02:05:58.000 So I lived in Encino for a little while.

02:05:59.000 I rented a house in Encino, but that was too close too.

02:06:02.000 And Cena was still too close.

02:06:04.000 Yeah, I was like, I gotta get out of the house.

02:06:05.000 Valley Valley.

02:06:06.000 I gotta get away.

02:06:07.000 I gotta get out.

02:06:08.000 I wanted to go to Thousand Oaks.

02:06:09.000 I wanted to go way out.

02:06:10.000 I wanted to go where regular people live. 0.96

02:06:12.000 Where you could just fucking take a breath.

02:06:15.000 Like I never liked like the parties, Hollywood parties.

02:06:19.000 I was like, uh uh.

02:06:21.000 Every time I go, I feel like uh just it just felt like I I wanted to run out of there.

02:06:26.000 Like get me out of here.

02:06:28.000 Like this is no one's relaxed.

02:06:30.000 Everyone's this is fake and weird and I was like, I need I need to live outside of this thing and then go visit it.

02:06:37.000 And go visit.

02:06:38.000 Yeah.

02:06:39.000 I was in it.

02:06:40.000 I lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut.

02:06:43.000 It was like Ivar, if you go up Ivar, you're at the bottom of the hills.

02:06:48.000 Uh-huh.

02:06:48.000 And it it's quiet.

02:06:49.000 It's pretty and then you come out.

02:06:52.000 Right.

02:06:53.000 But it it was like, oh, I like this.

02:06:56.000 But on the flats, like just like in Hollywood Hollywood, like I I get what you're saying.

02:07:05.000 But I did feel like I needed to be near it.

02:07:08.000 Yeah.

02:07:09.000 No, I get the under I get the wanting to be near it.

02:07:12.000 And I thought about it for a while, but I just know me.

02:07:15.000 Like I need downtime.

02:07:17.000 Right.

02:07:17.000 I go hard.

02:07:18.000 And when I go hard, I need like off time.

02:07:21.000 I need like completely off, sit down, relax, and think about shit.

02:07:25.000 Right.

02:07:26.000 Because I need to know what I think.

02:07:28.000 And the only way I know what I think is if there's not a lot of noise going on.

02:07:31.000 I can't just operate on momentum.

02:07:33.000 Right.

02:07:34.000 I feel like when you operate on momentum all the time, you make shit decisions.

02:07:37.000 Right.

02:07:37.000 You know, you use you you start like going down roads, you shouldn't be going down.

02:07:41.000 You're like, what am I doing?

02:07:42.000 What the fuck am I doing with my life?

02:07:43.000 So did you you do plot your life out a lot?

02:07:46.000 No.

02:07:46.000 In a sense.

02:07:47.000 No, I'm just like, I just like go on instinct.

02:07:49.000 My instinct was like, get away from everybody.

02:07:51.000 Right.

02:07:51.000 Like go quiet.

02:07:52.000 I want to just wake up in the morning and have coffee on the porch and just hear birds chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by.

02:07:59.000 Like, that's what I like.

02:08:00.000 I like to relax.

02:08:01.000 That's some cool shit.

02:08:02.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 You have to I if I'm in the Manhattan, bam, bam, fuck you.

02:08:06.000 I'm like, I don't feel relaxed.

02:08:07.000 Right.

02:08:08.000 This is a place for me to visit.

02:08:09.000 Visit.

02:08:10.000 But it's just my personality.

02:08:12.000 Like whatever it is with me.

02:08:13.000 Like even when I lived in New York, I l I live I couldn't afford an apartment that had uh rental.

02:08:19.000 I couldn't afford uh a rental car space.

02:08:21.000 But I needed a car for the road.

02:08:23.000 Right.

02:08:24.000 Because I take the total opposite approach of you.

02:08:26.000 I did not do the clubs in the city very often.

02:08:29.000 No.

02:08:29.000 That's where I met you.

02:08:31.000 Yeah.

02:08:31.000 No, I still did some of them.

02:08:33.000 Right, right.

02:08:33.000 But most of the road is mostly the road is what I did.

02:08:37.000 Right.

02:08:37.000 So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island and a lot of gigs in New Jersey because that paid real money and I could do an hour.

02:08:44.000 You know, I was like, I could get better in the city, but I'm getting better in these five and ten minute spots.

02:08:49.000 Like I need time.

02:08:50.000 I need like real time to put together an act.

02:08:53.000 Because when you were in Boston, you always went on the road.

02:08:56.000 Everybody did the road.

02:08:57.000 Right.

02:08:58.000 So it didn't make sense to me to be like just doing one 10 minute spot and another 10 minute spot.

02:09:03.000 I'm like, I can't I I I thought the opposite.

02:09:05.000 This is why so I was doing all those shows that you were doing, like the for the for the hour for the feature.

02:09:13.000 First I started hosting, but then I was like, I need to get on TV so that I can get on the road.

02:09:19.000 Yeah.

02:09:20.000 And then people book me and then come see me.

02:09:23.000 So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation, but in these 15 minute spots, build people see me, put you on this TV show, put you on that TV show, and like as a stand-up, as a like you know, like the improv or whatever, like stand-up show that they would have, and then because back then it's like a few late night show appearances, and then boom.

02:09:48.000 Then you could be on the road.

02:09:49.000 So I went that route.

02:09:50.000 And that was my mentality for probably way after the shit changed.

02:09:56.000 Oh, you kept you hang hung on to it too long.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, even living in LA.

02:10:00.000 Yeah.

02:10:00.000 I remember this is this is I was with Kevin Hart, right?

02:10:06.000 He just moved to LA and he I wrote on his sitcom, uh, The Big House.

02:10:13.000 And then he's booking, he's a good actor.

02:10:17.000 Like, and when he walks like I I've helped him audition before, but I didn't really help him audition.

02:10:22.000 He would just be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:10:24.000 And he wouldn't say all the words, but he would nail the feeling of the shit.

02:10:29.000 He's like, you don't have to remember everything.

02:10:30.000 And it was like it was an eye opening experience.

02:10:34.000 And then but then he said, I want to be on the road like Cat Williams.

02:10:37.000 I was like, why do you want to do that?

02:10:39.000 Get another TV show.

02:10:41.000 And then the fame of the TV show will get you on the road.

02:10:47.000 Thank God that nigga didn't listen to me. 1.00

02:10:51.000 He went on the road, he's doing like $1,500.

02:10:54.000 You know, the you know, the the route to build and and collecting emails.

02:11:00.000 Yep.

02:11:01.000 The complete opposite.

02:11:02.000 And fucking Kevin Hart's Kevin Hart.

02:11:05.000 Yeah, well, he was always very smart about the social media thing and treated it like a separate business.

02:11:10.000 Because like I remember there was a story about someone wanted uh access to a social media to promote a project they were doing.

02:11:17.000 He was like, no.

02:11:17.000 Sony.

02:11:18.000 That's a totally different deal.

02:11:20.000 Like you got one deal, you got Kevin Hart to act in your movie.

02:11:23.000 Another deal, you get access to Kevin Hart's Instagram.

02:11:26.000 Like, I built this.

02:11:27.000 Right.

02:11:28.000 This is my business, and if you want to do that, we can talk, but it's this is not the same deal.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:32.000 And I was like, oh okay.

02:11:33.000 That well, because they did that to a lot of people.

02:11:35.000 They did that to all sh Arsenio.

02:11:37.000 I remember Arsenio Hall was at the Ice House, and you remember he had the Arsenio Hall show came back.

02:11:43.000 Came back, yeah.

02:11:44.000 So when it came back, they took over his social media.

02:11:48.000 That was part of the deal.

02:11:49.000 And then they didn't give it back to him.

02:11:51.000 What?

02:11:52.000 Yes.

02:11:52.000 And this is a long time afterwards, like months and months and months afterwards.

02:11:57.000 We were hanging out at the Ice House, and he's like, I can't get my social media back.

02:12:00.000 I'm like, and he built that from being on The Apprentice.

02:12:03.000 Also from being the original Arnold Hall show.

02:12:07.000 Yeah, which was an iconic show.

02:12:09.000 I mean, he did everything.

02:12:10.000 He did stand up.

02:12:11.000 I mean, the Arc Senior Hall was in movies.

02:12:13.000 Right.

02:12:13.000 And they took his fucking social media.

02:12:16.000 That's crazy.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:18.000 It was crazy.

02:12:19.000 But that was they were trying to make deals like that.

02:12:21.000 Right.

02:12:22.000 When I was uh doing that show Joe Rogan questions everything, they wanted to do that.

02:12:25.000 That was gonna be a part of the deal.

02:12:26.000 They take over my social media.

02:12:28.000 And what year was what year was that?

02:12:31.000 2012, maybe?

02:12:32.000 Yeah, you had a you had a strong.

02:12:34.000 It was okay.

02:12:35.000 It was nothing like not as big as it is now, but it was big enough that I was like, fuck it's bigger than you.

02:12:39.000 Yeah, it was it was bigger than the biggest thing.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, no, I know, but it was big.

02:12:44.000 It was big for then.

02:12:46.000 I for then, I think.

02:12:47.000 It was it was pretty big, but it my point is like for me when they were saying it to me, I'm like, my show my social media presence is bigger than you.

02:12:54.000 Right.

02:12:54.000 Like you have a network, your network social media is not nearly as big as my sh my one person social media.

02:13:01.000 Why would I do that?

02:13:01.000 Why would I let you have access to it?

02:13:03.000 And they wanted to be able to promote their other shows on my social media.

02:13:06.000 And then just dilute it and turn it into something.

02:13:08.000 That's crazy.

02:13:08.000 Not only that, they could write on it whatever they wanted to.

02:13:11.000 Whatever they and they said other uh artists aren't having a problem with us doing this.

02:13:15.000 This was like their argument.

02:13:16.000 It was like a hang up in the deal.

02:13:18.000 And I was like, Abso fucking lutely not.

02:13:21.000 Like if I post something, even if it sucks, I want people to know that came out of my fat little thumbs.

02:13:27.000 Like I wrote that, that's it.

02:13:29.000 Whether you like it or you hate it, know that it came from me.

02:13:32.000 And when they did that, I was like, oh, so how many people have been doing this?

02:13:35.000 And it was a bunch of my friends had a sign off deals like that.

02:13:38.000 Right.

02:13:38.000 It was part of the deal.

02:13:39.000 If you wanted to do this new show, you had to give them access to your social media.

02:13:42.000 Not just access, control of your social media.

02:13:45.000 That is wild.

02:13:46.000 Wild.

02:13:47.000 That's that into perpetuity type shit that they put in contracts when you do like a stand-up set on something.

02:13:54.000 Like, what do you plan on doing this material?

02:13:56.000 Nah, nothing.

02:13:57.000 And then they say they actually mention space and planets.

02:14:02.000 Don't they?

02:14:03.000 In those contracts.

02:14:04.000 There's some contracts like that.

02:14:05.000 And then you're like, whoa, what the fuck do you know that I don't know?

02:14:10.000 I read about a contract, I don't know if this is true.

02:14:13.000 Um some sort of a Scientology contract that is like into infinity, like to the end of the universe.

02:14:22.000 Wow.

02:14:23.000 It's like talk about covering your bases.

02:14:26.000 Not even until you die.

02:14:27.000 Like until time runs out.

02:14:29.000 Billion year commitment.

02:14:30.000 C org, here it is.

02:14:31.000 Oh symbolic billion year commitment, which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying lengths.

02:14:46.000 Sometimes short term is just 2.5 years, but potentially extending to five years or more, and these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor loss.

02:14:56.000 So the C org, if I think click on C org, I think he collects.

02:15:01.000 That's where they're paying you a week.

02:15:02.000 Nothing to s to to sign off on that.

02:15:05.000 They give you nothing.

02:15:06.000 They give you you get nothing and you're happy.

02:15:08.000 You just can't believe you're a part of the C org.

02:15:10.000 I'm gonna be in the C org.

02:15:13.000 That's wild, bro.

02:15:14.000 Wow.

02:15:14.000 A billion year contract.

02:15:16.000 Yeah, that's that's wild.

02:15:17.000 Well, they they you know people have been doing that taking advantage of young artists in particular forever.

02:15:23.000 Uh huh.

02:15:24.000 Like that's why Prince had to change his name to a symbol.

02:15:26.000 Right.

02:15:27.000 You know, that's they they've been doing that to people forever.

02:15:30.000 Jared Leto's going through that shit right, you know, he went through that shit with his band.

02:15:35.000 It's just there's always going to be a business that takes advantage of you and makes it look like it's not a big deal.

02:15:41.000 Like uh Spotify.

02:15:46.000 Like uh I know this is Spotify, but there's a lot of beef about Spotify right now.

02:15:50.000 What's the big beef?

02:15:52.000 Uh just artists ain't getting paid. 0.95

02:15:53.000 Yeah, the people who get paid are the people that own the records, unfortunately.

02:15:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:57.000 That's the that's the if you own your label or you own your catalog, then you get paid.

02:16:05.000 It's just what contracts did you sign?

02:16:07.000 That's the thing, it's like if you're uh an upcoming artist today and you're listening to this, do you need a record label?

02:16:14.000 Like you really need a why do you no one's set buying records?

02:16:18.000 Right?

02:16:19.000 How do you how do you get your shit played?

02:16:22.000 You just outside of like it's easy to avoid a label.

02:16:27.000 Right.

02:16:28.000 Right?

02:16:29.000 Right.

02:16:29.000 But how do you get your shit heard?

02:16:31.000 Like it has to go viral.

02:16:33.000 Right.

02:16:33.000 It has so it has to be undeniable.

02:16:35.000 And so is anything really going viral or is it artificial viral artificial viral, like what's both?

02:16:42.000 Both things are happening.

02:16:43.000 Yeah.

02:16:44.000 There's definitely real, still real viral.

02:16:46.000 But there's a lot of artificial viral, and that's what a record company can do for you.

02:16:50.000 Right.

02:16:50.000 It can make you go artificial viral.

02:16:52.000 Right.

02:16:52.000 And they it will go viral if you're good, but it's like they can juice it up to a point, but what is the cost?

02:16:59.000 They want like 50%.

02:17:01.000 They want some insane amount of money from your touring.

02:17:04.000 You're touring.

02:17:05.000 Yeah, you're touring.

02:17:06.000 And that's you love doing live performances, they don't even sing a word and they get paid.

02:17:11.000 And that's where like artists used to get ripped off in their deals, but they used to make money touring.

02:17:19.000 Right.

02:17:20.000 But then they cut into the touring now.

02:17:23.000 Well, because they weren't making any money selling records anymore.

02:17:25.000 Because who was making the money selling records?

02:17:27.000 Well, the thing is, like nobody was for a long time, right?

02:17:30.000 It was a streaming, and but then there was like Apple streaming and Apple, you know, what happened to the Apple or Spotify ate them up.

02:17:39.000 Yeah, they just nobody buys music on Apple anymore.

02:17:42.000 I mean, I used to listen to before I signed my Spotify deal, everything was Apple music.

02:17:47.000 Yeah.

02:17:47.000 And for the longest time, I wasn't even using Spotify.

02:17:50.000 And then once I started using it, I was like, oh, this is better.

02:17:53.000 Right, right.

02:17:53.000 And that was it.

02:17:54.000 I get it.

02:17:55.000 If you're an artist and you're like, you're not getting paid, like, I get it.

02:17:58.000 I don't know what to say.

02:17:59.000 I don't know why you signed that deal.

02:18:01.000 I don't know what the circumstances were.

02:18:03.000 I don't know how those deals are even legal.

02:18:06.000 Yeah, I don't know how if I got like my specialist coming out on YouTube, so I got there's there's a way for comics to do it without signing a big deal or signing everything away, giving it over to somebody for less than you showed, or even if it pays a uh a legit amount.

02:18:29.000 There's you know it's not for a billion.

02:18:31.000 Right.

02:18:31.000 You can keep it.

02:18:32.000 But I don't know if you're a musician, like what way you can get your shit heard.

02:18:39.000 You gotta put it out like that.

02:18:40.000 You gotta put it out on YouTube, put it out on social media, someone has to retweet it, someone has to hear about it, talk about it on a podcast.

02:18:49.000 You can get it out.

02:18:51.000 You know, we were talking about it's a little late, but we were talking about that Johnny Thunder song, I'm alive.

02:18:57.000 We played it yesterday, and then Jamie brought up that after we first started playing it on the podcast like two years ago.

02:19:03.000 It's a song from 1969, there was like a lost song.

02:19:06.000 Oh shit.

02:19:06.000 And Brian Simpson brought it to the mothership, and he's like, This is gonna be like one of your favorite songs, you gotta listen to this.

02:19:12.000 And we played it in the green room, and I was like, holy shit.

02:19:17.000 And we had to figure out that it was from 1969.

02:19:19.000 Like, when was this?

02:19:20.000 Like, who was this guy?

02:19:21.000 Like what what is the deal?

02:19:22.000 The dude back then apparently was still alive, and he died like a year later.

02:19:27.000 So he might have died knowing that his song had started to become big again.

02:19:31.000 Because then it started appearing in commercials.

02:19:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:34.000 it was in a bunch of commercials.

02:19:35.000 What were the commercials again?

02:19:37.000 Uh Samsung Lincoln.

02:19:39.000 I think like Mountain Dew.

02:19:40.000 Did he own it?

02:19:42.000 I don't think so.

02:19:43.000 He was only he only had this one song that was amazing.

02:19:48.000 That's why I was looking that up yesterday.

02:19:49.000 He actually had a billboard billboard hit before that.

02:19:52.000 What was that one?

02:19:53.000 Uh loop de loop.

02:19:55.000 Was it good?

02:19:55.000 I didn't I was gonna play it yesterday, but let's play it.

02:19:58.000 I say a loop de loop.

02:19:59.000 Let's say a loop de loop.

02:20:01.000 But the point is, like he should have been a star.

02:20:04.000 He should have been I say Johnny Thunder, and you're like, oh, I love that dude.

02:20:08.000 His second album's amazing.

02:20:09.000 You know, you should have been at least Chubby Checker.

02:20:11.000 Yeah.

02:20:16.000 Chucky Checker got so much mileage off the twist.

02:20:19.000 I've never seen somebody get that much mileage.

02:20:21.000 Do you want singing?

02:20:23.000 Might have to do this out.

02:20:24.000 Yeah, we'll edit it out.

02:20:25.000 Alright, kill this.

02:20:27.000 This is terrible.

02:20:28.000 Now play he looked like the dude that was fighting Muhammad Ali in his early song.

02:20:35.000 Now you play I'm alive.

02:20:37.000 Now this this is the fucking jam, son.

02:20:40.000 This song.

02:20:41.000 I listen to this song all the time.

02:20:43.000 This is on regular playback.

02:20:45.000 Woo! 0.99

02:20:47.000 First of all, he looks like a deaf jam comic. 0.94

02:20:51.000 That's number one.

02:20:53.000 Like or even like an Arsenal Hall, like back in the days, like.

02:20:59.000 So what year was this, Jamie?

02:21:01.000 This one was 69.

02:21:03.000 And then I also read that he had been uh performing with the drifters and did the backup vocals at things like Dion Warwick or something like that.

02:21:11.000 See that song to me is just proof that there's a lot of factors involved in making it.

02:21:16.000 Because that guy should have been a fucking superstar.

02:21:19.000 That is a superstar song.

02:21:21.000 Yeah, because I'm listening to it.

02:21:23.000 Just the opening.

02:21:24.000 Yeah.

02:21:26.000 Let's stop there.

02:21:28.000 Let's stop there and take that in for a second.

02:21:30.000 And then it switched.

02:21:32.000 I wasn't even ready for the switch, but I was like, let me go, let me go with this.

02:21:36.000 And it's so good.

02:21:39.000 Then I could see it in like the beginning or the end of so many TV shows.

02:21:42.000 Right.

02:21:43.000 Like I was like, oh, this this is the guy that wrote that song.

02:21:46.000 Tommy James.

02:21:47.000 And performed it and recorded it a year after that.

02:21:50.000 Wow.

02:21:53.000 Well Tommy James and the Chandelle.

02:21:55.000 He sang Mounty Money.

02:21:57.000 Oh shit.

02:21:58.000 That was another song that like.

02:22:01.000 That was a famous song that uh what's his face?

02:22:05.000 Um the guy with the hair.

02:22:08.000 God damn it.

02:22:09.000 Billy Idol.

02:22:10.000 Billy Idol.

02:22:10.000 Billy Idol came out with.

02:22:13.000 Wow.

02:22:14.000 Yeah.

02:22:14.000 Which also seems like a million years ago.

02:22:17.000 That was when I was in high school.

02:22:19.000 How weird, man.

02:22:20.000 I know.

02:22:21.000 First of all, weird the when he when Loop T Loop was a hit and then he made the other song it wasn't a hit.

02:22:26.000 I know he was pissed.

02:22:27.000 I know.

02:22:28.000 Can you imagine?

02:22:29.000 That's cracked.

02:22:32.000 Loop T loop?

02:22:33.000 Y'all ain't heard alive.

02:22:35.000 This is I this listen to their live shit.

02:22:38.000 It's uh sometimes people just put it all together for one song.

02:22:41.000 I mean, that's the thing about songs, right?

02:22:43.000 Like the one hit wonder thing.

02:22:44.000 Yeah.

02:22:44.000 It's a different time.

02:22:45.000 I mean, it was the early sixties they're coming out.

02:22:47.000 I don't know how big before the drugs.

02:22:49.000 Radio, you know.

02:22:50.000 Early sixties, people were still naive.

02:22:52.000 They were goofy.

02:22:53.000 Yeah.

02:22:53.000 They were still father knows best.

02:22:54.000 You know, they're all father knows best.

02:22:57.000 Leave it to Beaver.

02:22:59.000 They were goofy.

02:23:00.000 People were goofy in 63.

02:23:01.000 By 69, they got wild.

02:23:03.000 It was real quick.

02:23:04.000 I wonder what people with internet minds back then did.

02:23:10.000 Drugs.

02:23:10.000 Or people with internet mind mentality.

02:23:14.000 How did they mask in society?

02:23:16.000 How did they comic books in society?

02:23:19.000 They read a lot of comic books.

02:23:21.000 Yeah, they went to comic book shops.

02:23:23.000 They went to like punk rock concerts.

02:23:26.000 Yeah.

02:23:26.000 They had to like find group.

02:23:28.000 They went to C BGB's.

02:23:29.000 Yeah.

02:23:29.000 They had to find places where they could fit in.

02:23:32.000 There's no online forums for that.

02:23:35.000 No, it was a factory for turning people into drones. 0.86

02:23:38.000 Right.

02:23:38.000 That was society back then.

02:23:40.000 Turn you into a worker drone.

02:23:42.000 Yeah.

02:23:43.000 Oof.

02:23:44.000 Yeah, because you we school already trains us for it.

02:23:47.000 Yep.

02:23:47.000 Like every bit the bell rings, you get up, you go to the next class, and it's designed for that.

02:23:52.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 It's not the best way to teach kids.

02:23:54.000 And guys like you and I, they label you as like ADHD or something, right?

02:23:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:59.000 I didn't Get labeled because I don't know why.

02:24:03.000 I kinda like my my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants.

02:24:08.000 They they like, so you gotta work hard, you know what I mean?

02:24:11.000 So you gotta like apply yourself and you this is uh they went out of their way to provide this opportunity.

02:24:19.000 So I didn't want to blow it up to a certain point, but after a certain point, like I was gonna do comedy, which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do.

02:24:32.000 But high school and college, uh like I didn't mind.

02:24:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:38.000 Maybe around college, that's when shit started to get like a little wonky, but the high school shit, like, all right, I I I can get some good grades.

02:24:46.000 That's I can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after, but then in college that's when shit like well then they're prepping you for the real world and you realize it's gonna be your whole day doing shit you don't want to do, and there's no joy in Mudville.

02:24:59.000 You're like, fuck.

02:25:00.000 Right.

02:25:01.000 Unless you're into it, unless like college is like whatever subject that you want to pursue in life, is that's the way to go.

02:25:08.000 You know, if you want to be an astronomer, that's how you learn.

02:25:10.000 You know, but for for a comic, like college is just like, why why am I forced to do this?

02:25:16.000 Like, why am I making myself do this?

02:25:18.000 Like, what is the end goal?

02:25:20.000 If I get a job, I'm fucked.

02:25:21.000 Right.

02:25:22.000 I knew that I always wanted to like have make a decent amount of money and be middle class.

02:25:28.000 That was the I was like, so you gotta go to college, right?

02:25:31.000 To do that.

02:25:32.000 That's that's the way we were programmed.

02:25:34.000 Right.

02:25:35.000 But the instant comedy came into my mind, it was never a risk for me.

02:25:42.000 Like I was never risking that stability for the gamble of comedy.

02:25:49.000 What did it feel like instead of a risk?

02:25:52.000 The only thing to do.

02:25:55.000 Yeah.

02:25:56.000 I know what you mean.

02:25:57.000 Like the this there was a switch, and once you turned it on, that shit was broke, it couldn't go back the other way, and this is what we was doing.

02:26:05.000 Yeah.

02:26:06.000 That's kind of how you have to be if you want to do it.

02:26:09.000 Uh, I think that's the same with music.

02:26:11.000 I think that's the same with literature.

02:26:13.000 You want to write books, you I feel lucky about it though.

02:26:16.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:26:18.000 Because there's people that were able to turn their switch back off.

02:26:25.000 Mine is still on.

02:26:28.000 Yeah, well, that's because you're doing the right thing.

02:26:30.000 You're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing.

02:26:32.000 Right.

02:26:32.000 When people there's there's people that turn that switch off because there's something else drags him in, or they can't beat their demons.

02:26:40.000 Right.

02:26:41.000 You know, there's a lot of people that there's a lot of different there's some demons are like they're not even dark demons.

02:26:47.000 They're like gray demons, like depression.

02:26:51.000 You can't be the demon of a dull depression.

02:26:53.000 They don't they don't have the energy to write, they don't have the energy to perform, they don't have the energy to eat healthy, they don't have the energy to do shit, and then they just settle into a mundane life.

02:27:03.000 Because they can't beat those demons.

02:27:05.000 And they also don't have support.

02:27:06.000 There's a lot of those dudes that get real dark because they don't have support.

02:27:10.000 They're not friends.

02:27:13.000 I I listen, and and I and I and I feel I don't I feel bad for those people.

02:27:19.000 I don't I don't know.

02:27:19.000 We don't even know what happened to this guy who we just played, right?

02:27:23.000 What went wrong?

02:27:24.000 What went wrong, what deterred him, what took him off track.

02:27:27.000 Right.

02:27:28.000 But he clearly had something.

02:27:30.000 I've seen people with something, and I like I remember damn, I don't know if I can remember his name.

02:27:36.000 We're all doing open mics.

02:27:38.000 Like we're grinding, we're bombing.

02:27:40.000 Then this guy comes in one night.

02:27:43.000 And he's at the governor's.

02:27:48.000 He rips.

02:27:50.000 I mean, we're like, even we're like, Wow.

02:27:55.000 Hey man, what's your name?

02:27:58.000 Tells us his name might come to me in a minute.

02:28:01.000 I say, how many how long you been doing it?

02:28:04.000 Uh this is my first time.

02:28:06.000 And then it was like that every time he went on stage.

02:28:10.000 And we hung out with him, and it was just we're like this guy.

02:28:15.000 We were is like we're pleased for him, and we're his biggest fans, and we're angry at him at the same time.

02:28:21.000 And then he just disappeared.

02:28:24.000 Yeah.

02:28:26.000 Yeah.

02:28:27.000 Then I ran into him in Queens and he was kind of doing it, but it wasn't the same.

02:28:32.000 Like the Muhammad Ali thing, he stopped training for enough years to like uh lose it all to not even be as good as the first time we saw him, which was his first time.

02:28:46.000 One of the reasons why I talk about the way uh I approach things is because I think I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you and the little games that will be played in front of you where you have to make decisions of which way to go.

02:29:08.000 And and if something went wrong, you gotta make decisions to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better.

02:29:13.000 Like how what do I have to do to keep going?

02:29:15.000 But uh clearly I'm on a path.

02:29:16.000 Other people are doing this path.

02:29:18.000 I gotta figure out how to do this.

02:29:20.000 Some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover.

02:29:24.000 They just they just they start drinking, they start eating too much, they start doing this, they start doing that, they get into a bad funk, they lose some money, they get into a toxic relationship.

02:29:34.000 That's a big one.

02:29:35.000 That's a big one.

02:29:36.000 That's one of the big distractions that people do, and they don't even realize they're doing it.

02:29:40.000 You're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship that you're in with this person where you yell at each other, and you know, you who knows.

02:29:50.000 Who knows what your your particular brand of chaos is, but the one thing that it has in common, it's a gigantic distraction from you doing what you want to do in life.

02:29:59.000 And you don't have your shit together, so you find someone else who doesn't have your shit together, and you pile all your shit together and make it way worse.

02:30:05.000 Right.

02:30:05.000 And you both fuck each other's lives up.

02:30:07.000 And at the end of it, maybe one of you write a song about it.

02:30:10.000 That's a nice.

02:30:11.000 But that's when it's worth it.

02:30:12.000 Like maybe when you're talking about bad relationships, I'm like, shit, that's material.

02:30:17.000 It is material.

02:30:18.000 It is material.

02:30:19.000 Like it's a lot of fun.

02:30:20.000 I never go on a bad date.

02:30:21.000 Because if the date is good, it's good.

02:30:22.000 If it's bad, then it's material.

02:30:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:26.000 Like so, comics complain about dates.

02:30:29.000 I'm like, that's an experience.

02:30:30.000 That's some shit you could bring to the stage.

02:30:33.000 Right.

02:30:33.000 Like, why are you down about this?

02:30:36.000 How many times has someone told you a crazy story like in the green room or something like that?

02:30:40.000 You're like, have you said that on stage yet?

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:42.000 Like, no, can I?

02:30:43.000 I tell you, I tell people all the time, like that is like sometimes my friend, he just broke up with his girl.

02:30:50.000 He's sad, he's talking about it.

02:30:52.000 I was like, damn, this nigga don't know how about funny he's about to be. 1.00

02:30:57.000 And he's crying.

02:30:59.000 He's crying, like, and I'm like, man, some of the greatest comedy came out of broken hearts.

02:31:04.000 Yeah.

02:31:04.000 Look at Kinison.

02:31:06.000 I was married twice.

02:31:08.000 This whole thing.

02:31:09.000 Yeah.

02:31:09.000 This whole thing was like just getting his heart broken.

02:31:13.000 Right.

02:31:13.000 He's one of his best bits was he sat at the piano and sang a love song to his ex.

02:31:18.000 It's like I hope you die.

02:31:20.000 I hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood.

02:31:24.000 Die, die. 0.83

02:31:24.000 I want my records back. 0.83

02:31:26.000 I want my fucking records back.

02:31:32.000 And you looked at him and you just believed it all.

02:31:35.000 Cause like, of course, he's a little fat guy with no hair.

02:31:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:39.000 People are gonna dump on him.

02:31:40.000 It's not gonna work out.

02:31:41.000 You know, even if you're famous and you look like that, it's gonna they're gonna get tired of you.

02:31:46.000 He's a walking underdog story.

02:31:47.000 He's a walking underdog story without even fucking explaining it and turning that shit into something.

02:31:52.000 Yeah, how do you not gravitate towards that?

02:31:56.000 Like every heartbreak that I've experienced, like underneath in me, I'm like, man, don't worry.

02:32:03.000 Once this cloud lifts, we you'll be able to talk about this on stage.

02:32:09.000 Like that's that's a part of like the survival.

02:32:13.000 That's how far gone in this I am.

02:32:18.000 And I'm just realizing it now as I talk to you.

02:32:22.000 That's funny.

02:32:22.000 Yeah.

02:32:23.000 That's how it's like uh Yeah, it's like trying to think of like when bad sh like I got into somebody hit my car.

02:32:33.000 And I was like, this is going on stage, or just anything.

02:32:36.000 Yeah, it's just like sometimes I'm when I I don't have that many civilian friends anymore.

02:32:43.000 But sometimes I used to just complain on the phone about an interaction.

02:32:47.000 You know what's funny?

02:32:48.000 Like military people do not like us talking about non-comedians or civilians.

02:32:54.000 We're at war, baby.

02:32:55.000 I'll just kick it. 0.69

02:32:57.000 I know I I I cannot military people, I get that.

02:33:00.000 I get it.

02:33:01.000 But that is the term we have used forever.

02:33:02.000 Forever.

02:33:04.000 Like the first time I heard somebody say it, I was like, How did you know that I said I say that?

02:33:08.000 The first time I ever heard a comic refer to other to non-comics as civilians.

02:33:13.000 I was like, that's what I say in my head.

02:33:15.000 How the fuck did you and it's like nobody's stealing it from each other?

02:33:19.000 Right, right.

02:33:19.000 Right.

02:33:20.000 But all our terms are related to battle.

02:33:22.000 Like a bomb, kill killed.

02:33:24.000 Yep.

02:33:24.000 Yeah.

02:33:24.000 You know, died.

02:33:25.000 Died.

02:33:26.000 Yeah.

02:33:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:27.000 Yeah.

02:33:27.000 So it's like we we all got battle terms.

02:33:30.000 Yeah, well, because it is kind of a mental battle.

02:33:33.000 Right.

02:33:33.000 There's a weird battle of control, and there's always a lot of drunk people in the audience that don't want you taking control.

02:33:38.000 They want to take control of you.

02:33:40.000 I mean, Don L. Rollins got his start as a heckler.

02:33:42.000 Hilarious.

02:33:43.000 Don L. Raleigh.

02:33:44.000 That's how he proudly.

02:33:45.000 He's like, I'm a proud heckler, son.

02:33:51.000 It's really funny.

02:33:52.000 But it's like, so it is kind of there's a battle too.

02:33:54.000 And it's also a battle of your own self.

02:33:57.000 There's a battle inside of you to try to like what we were talking about before to get to that flow state.

02:34:01.000 Yeah.

02:34:01.000 Like, what is that battle?

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:03.000 There's some nights I don't have it.

02:34:05.000 I don't, it doesn't come.

02:34:06.000 And then other nights it's right there.

02:34:07.000 The moment I start talking, I'm smiling.

02:34:10.000 I'm in the groove.

02:34:11.000 And it's like, we hell.

02:34:14.000 Do you have an inkling of it before?

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 Did you do anything to get there?

02:34:17.000 I always think about that.

02:34:18.000 Generally, it has to be a day that I work out.

02:34:21.000 Like uh for me, I work out so much that if I don't work out, I get a little just a little tense.

02:34:28.000 First of all, you're in disrespectful shape.

02:34:33.000 This is disrespectful to me.

02:34:35.000 Well, you gotta eat meat if you want to get in this kind of shape, son.

02:34:38.000 I gotta get chop them soybeans.

02:34:40.000 Where the L cat.

02:34:42.000 I ate some today.

02:34:43.000 Yeah.

02:34:43.000 I cooked up some heart.

02:34:45.000 I cooked up some heart for for lunch.

02:34:48.000 It's good.

02:34:48.000 Heart for lunch.

02:34:49.000 Yeah.

02:34:50.000 That's what I ate.

02:34:50.000 Elkhart.

02:34:51.000 Okay, fuck it.

02:34:53.000 That's that's a big key, man.

02:34:55.000 Protein, animal protein.

02:34:56.000 It's very important for you.

02:34:58.000 If you want to keep going.

02:35:00.000 You the thing is it's like way easier to keep going though than it is to get going.

02:35:05.000 Like if you're 58 and you start working out now, like, woo.

02:35:09.000 That's hard.

02:35:10.000 But if you're 58 and you've been working out for me, like 40 years.

02:35:16.000 Right.

02:35:16.000 You know, it's not I mean, like hard for 40 years.

02:35:19.000 More than that.

02:35:20.000 15, so yeah.

02:35:22.000 More than that.

02:35:23.000 Like probably I probably started working out when I started wrestling.

02:35:27.000 So that was like 14.

02:35:29.000 Yeah.

02:35:29.000 Karate was around the same time, then Taekwondo from 15 on.

02:35:33.000 So I've always worked out.

02:35:34.000 Right.

02:35:34.000 It's like, so my body just does if if I don't work out for a day, my body's like, what's going on?

02:35:39.000 Hilarious.

02:35:40.000 Like I'm trying to get rid of this stuff.

02:35:42.000 Like, I don't want any anxiety.

02:35:44.000 I don't want any tension.

02:35:45.000 I want to blow it out.

02:35:46.000 You probably sleepwalk into the gym.

02:35:48.000 You probably like wake up sometimes like, oh shit, I worked out.

02:35:51.000 Yeah.

02:35:51.000 Like I didn't you press the button for the code and you was in there, you had no fucking idea.

02:35:55.000 Well, that's why I like things that you can't sleepwalk through.

02:35:58.000 Like if you're doing like heavy rounds on the bag, like you can't sleep walk through ten rounds in the bag.

02:36:03.000 When that seventh round comes around, you look at the timer, you're like, fuck, I got three more rounds.

02:36:10.000 You do ten.

02:36:11.000 Yeah.

02:36:12.000 Just got I mean, I do it at my own pace.

02:36:14.000 It's not a ten of fighting.

02:36:16.000 But it's, you know, ten where you're you're going at it.

02:36:19.000 And it's it that but that's the point.

02:36:21.000 The point is that when it's done, I'm like, ah, I fucking did it.

02:36:26.000 And it's really ten is only 30 minutes of work.

02:36:29.000 Yeah, I know, yeah.

02:36:29.000 Fighting is fighting this taxing.

02:36:31.000 If this is ten three minute rounds when I hit the bag, but like think about an MMA fight, it's five minute rounds.

02:36:36.000 That's crazy.

02:36:37.000 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

02:36:38.000 That's crazy.

02:36:38.000 And another dude is trying to kill you for five minutes.

02:36:41.000 And you're getting hit in that time.

02:36:43.000 Uh and you're getting choked and body slammed and your arms getting yanked out of the streets.

02:36:47.000 Squeezed, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:36:48.000 Then you have to recover.

02:36:49.000 They got ice on your shin in between rounds.

02:36:51.000 Like, fuck am I doing with my life?

02:36:53.000 I should have went to school.

02:36:56.000 Yeah, that is a crazy mentality type of life.

02:36:58.000 God bless them.

02:36:59.000 God bless them.

02:37:00.000 And they they have to be all in too.

02:37:02.000 The way you're all in with comedy, and you always have been, they have to be all in with fighting.

02:37:06.000 And even then, there's no guarantee because there might be a Mike Tyson in your division.

02:37:11.000 There might be a Sugar Ray Leonard.

02:37:12.000 There might be a Floyd Mayweather.

02:37:14.000 It might be a dude you're never catching up to.

02:37:16.000 Like James Crawford.

02:37:17.000 Yeah.

02:37:18.000 Like I say, like I don't know much about fighting.

02:37:22.000 And I've learned a lot from you.

02:37:24.000 I remember we did a show in I think Denver.

02:37:28.000 And there was this female fighter, she came backstage. 1.00

02:37:31.000 And she was up there.

02:37:34.000 And she just have a had a kid. 0.66

02:37:37.000 And she's still gonna fight, but she's like, there's other things to life.

02:37:41.000 I'm gonna like raise my son and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

02:37:46.000 And then once she said there's other things to life, and I was like, you're in my head, just in my head, and you're a fighter, and just the way she said it and some other things, I was like, She shouldn't fight no more.

02:37:57.000 And I watched all her fights after that, and I I she might have won one.

02:38:02.000 But she yeah, she didn't she didn't and she would I can't remember her name per se, but I just remember her saying that.

02:38:10.000 You're the king of that, not being able to remember leave us with mysteries.

02:38:14.000 Welcome, I'm out.

02:38:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:18.000 They use that as the best fighter ever.

02:38:19.000 They're they're scouring right now.

02:38:21.000 Yeah, somebody came up with that.

02:38:22.000 Yeah, it's a thing that you have to you have to either want to be a world champion, you have to want to be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman.

02:38:31.000 And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a paycheck, it's a crazy way to make a living.

02:38:36.000 But there are a lot of guys out there that they get to a point where they realize I'm never gonna be champion, but I'm still gonna make a lot of money, right?

02:38:43.000 And I'm still gonna have some good fights as long as I don't have to fight any world champions, I can be successful 60% of the time, maybe seven, if you're lucky.

02:38:53.000 Hard way to live, though.

02:38:54.000 It's a hard way to live.

02:38:54.000 How much like what's the average like pay check for a fight for a fighter like that you just described?

02:39:03.000 It depends on how much uh they have crowd popularity, right?

02:39:07.000 Like if you're a Donald Cerone, cowboy Saronny, who never won the title, but he was uh a guy who Love Serone.

02:39:13.000 He he would make some real good money, real good money.

02:39:16.000 I I don't want to be talk out of school.

02:39:17.000 I don't know what his his checks were.

02:39:19.000 Right.

02:39:20.000 But you could get rich, you could be a mil multimillionaire, like Sean Strickland.

02:39:24.000 He was just talking about it uh in one of his his Instagram stories, that's why I could say this.

02:39:29.000 Where he said he's got about four million dollars in the bank.

02:39:31.000 That's good.

02:39:32.000 And I'm like, that's amazing.

02:39:33.000 Yeah, and he's he's what 30s, he's in his 30s, yeah.

02:39:35.000 He's still top of the food chain, one of the best in the world in his division, and he's got money set aside.

02:39:40.000 Like that's a smart dude.

02:39:41.000 Right.

02:39:42.000 You gotta kind of be able to do that.

02:39:43.000 Because if you don't do that, and then you run out of fighting and you run out of money and you're running options and you run out of ideas, you don't know what to do.

02:39:52.000 That's a terrible see we we could do what we do.

02:39:54.000 Dom Herrera said this to me once.

02:39:56.000 He was like 65 years old, and he got off stage, he fucking murdered.

02:39:59.000 And he goes, Joey, he goes, One of the things I love about this fucking game is like as long as you're in it, you're still getting better.

02:40:05.000 It's like I'm still getting better.

02:40:07.000 Right.

02:40:07.000 And it was it was beautiful to watch, because it's true, like Rodney Jangerfield, deep into his seventies, killing, killing.

02:40:13.000 George Carlin, deep into his late age late late ages before he died, killing.

02:40:19.000 You know, you could still do it.

02:40:20.000 Yeah, and with fighting, there's a time where you're all this fails you.

02:40:26.000 Right.

02:40:26.000 All the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails, the wheels fall off, and then you can't take a shot anymore, and you gotta get out.

02:40:33.000 Yeah, I've seen it in boxing because that's the the combat sport that I've watched the most growing up.

02:40:40.000 Uh shit.

02:40:42.000 Now I'm gonna mention another name that I can't remember.

02:40:48.000 So there was this black guy who was fighting a Mexican guy, but they're big name guys.

02:40:52.000 Melric Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez.

02:40:54.000 Boom.

02:40:55.000 Yeah, that fight.

02:40:56.000 Yeah, never the same after that.

02:40:59.000 Oh shit, yeah.

02:41:00.000 Look at the He was winning the fight.

02:41:02.000 Yep, yep.

02:41:03.000 Winning it.

02:41:04.000 Winning it.

02:41:05.000 Got winning it.

02:41:06.000 Chase chased him down.

02:41:08.000 Yep.

02:41:08.000 Got stopped in the last seconds of the last round, and uh Melchair Taylor was never the same.

02:41:14.000 Never never the same way.

02:41:15.000 Ever.

02:41:16.000 Ever, bro.

02:41:16.000 Never the same again.

02:41:17.000 All the skill, yep, all the technique, yeah.

02:41:20.000 And he was a great fighter.

02:41:23.000 Great Olympic gold medalist, yes, world champion.

02:41:26.000 He never he didn't let enter leave that ring the way he went in.

02:41:31.000 Yep.

02:41:32.000 And he was good enough to be Chavez.

02:41:35.000 Crazy.

02:41:36.000 Kind of, because he lost, but he almost beat Chavez.

02:41:40.000 And that would have been a great moment.

02:41:43.000 Huge, huge moment.

02:41:44.000 Huge.

02:41:45.000 But the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life.

02:41:50.000 Even if he never got hit with that last punch, if he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision, you know, and no.

02:41:59.000 If they did that, he still is never the same again.

02:42:02.000 Yeah.

02:42:03.000 Because Chavez was just breaking him down.

02:42:05.000 Breaking him down.

02:42:06.000 And then you're not around those guys the next day.

02:42:10.000 That's the sad the saddest thing about the UFC would I run into dudes who lost the next day at the airport.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:17.000 And you see them at the airport and like one eye is completely shut.

02:42:21.000 They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open, their arms in a sling, and they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up they can barely walk.

02:42:31.000 And you see him get on the plane, you're like, whoa, they got sunglasses on and shit, and they're just and everybody's like, that's like a fire last night.

02:42:37.000 He got knocked out.

02:42:38.000 Shit.

02:42:39.000 And you see him walking by.

02:42:40.000 Sometimes that's the winner, too.

02:42:42.000 Oh yeah.

02:42:42.000 That's how brutal that shit is.

02:42:44.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:44.000 Oftentimes that's the winner.

02:42:46.000 But you would you would see those guys at the airport, you're like, wow.

02:42:50.000 That's a that's a wake-up call.

02:42:53.000 Because it's not just the night of the fight.

02:42:55.000 It's like, how long are is it gonna be before you feel normal again?

02:42:58.000 Right.

02:42:58.000 Yeah.

02:42:59.000 Uh you brought up Bernard Hopkins earlier.

02:43:03.000 And he has uh the way he fought was I ain't getting CTE.

02:43:11.000 First of all, you you may hit me, and if it is, it's become you're gonna hit me while I'm holding you.

02:43:17.000 Uh-huh.

02:43:17.000 And you ain't getting no force or no power.

02:43:19.000 Right.

02:43:19.000 And people are gonna cuss and say I'm a dirty fighter and let the motherfucker go.

02:43:24.000 This is not a dance.

02:43:26.000 Yep.

02:43:26.000 And this ain't the electric slide or the two-step let but I am not getting no brain damage.

02:43:31.000 Yep.

02:43:31.000 Like Mohammed Ali used to move.

02:43:33.000 Bernard would come to you, hug you, Pat Pap, hug you again, Pat Pap, hug you again.

02:43:39.000 People paid their money, curse this motherfucker out, but they still come back to see this motherfucker hold.

02:43:45.000 Yeah, he frustrated the shit out of people, but he did fuck some people up too.

02:43:48.000 Yeah.

02:43:49.000 When he fucked up Felix Trinidad, that was crazy.

02:43:52.000 That was a big one.

02:43:52.000 Because everybody thought Trinidad was gonna kill him.

02:43:54.000 I thought Tinad was gonna kill him too. 0.99

02:43:56.000 He he was a bad motherfucker deep into his late 40s, man.

02:44:00.000 Yes, late 40s, world class.

02:44:02.000 That's crazy.

02:44:03.000 If you don't let him fight, you could fight for a long ass.

02:44:08.000 You could just keep fighting.

02:44:09.000 Just don't let him fight.

02:44:10.000 He knew all the arm locks.

02:44:13.000 But even him, like the last fight he had against Joe Smith Jr., he got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head.

02:44:20.000 And he was 50 years old.

02:44:22.000 That's uh that's old, bro.

02:44:24.000 I know.

02:44:24.000 And the guy he was fought the guy who fought Joe Smith Jr. is a murderous puncher, just murderous puncher.

02:44:31.000 And you just hit in Bernard with these haymakers.

02:44:34.000 And Barnard went through the ropes and the ropes were loose, and he fell out of the ropes and landed on his fucking head.

02:44:39.000 That's how the fight is.

02:44:41.000 First of all, he's too old to like you said, your body goes. 0.68

02:44:44.000 So he that probably also have the strength.

02:44:46.000 No.

02:44:47.000 His body's not so falling out of the ring and no one catches you and you land on your head, that's crazy.

02:44:55.000 It's almost breaks up for all the punches he missed.

02:44:58.000 Exactly.

02:44:58.000 His entire career, all in that one moment.

02:45:01.000 I mean, that's a car wreck.

02:45:02.000 Yeah.

02:45:03.000 That could fuck you up for the rest of your life.

02:45:06.000 Yeah.

02:45:06.000 We're lucky.

02:45:07.000 We lucky we picked a thing that doesn't give you brain damage and you can keep doing forever and ever.

02:45:12.000 Yeah, or we were just made this way, or it picked us.

02:45:15.000 I don't know what.

02:45:16.000 Is this too serendipitous?

02:45:18.000 But uh I'm glad.

02:45:20.000 I'm glad too.

02:45:21.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 I'm glad we've been friends all this time, too.

02:45:23.000 It's been a fun we've had a fun ride.

02:45:25.000 Yeah, we had a fun ride.

02:45:26.000 Let's keep this shit going.

02:45:27.000 Uh tonight, you doing my show tonight?

02:45:29.000 Uh I'm leaving.

02:45:30.000 I'm going back to LA.

02:45:31.000 You ain't gonna like the answer.

02:45:33.000 So I even asked.

02:45:35.000 What do you do you have to go back?

02:45:36.000 Can we change your flight?

02:45:38.000 I I got a writing job.

02:45:40.000 Oh, you gotta be there tomorrow?

02:45:41.000 So I gotta be there tomorrow.

02:45:42.000 Oh, okay.

02:45:42.000 All right.

02:45:43.000 Yeah.

02:45:43.000 So it's writing job, that Velvet Prison Son.

02:45:46.000 Uh I'm I'm trying to break out.

02:45:47.000 That's why I got this special, and I'm gonna I'm gonna keep putting out specials, bro.

02:45:52.000 Okay.

02:45:52.000 Yeah.

02:45:53.000 Beautiful.

02:45:53.000 Yeah.

02:45:54.000 All right, brother.

02:45:54.000 Well, uh, tell everybody what's the name of it?

02:45:56.000 Where is it's on YouTube?

02:45:58.000 It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards stand-up.

02:46:01.000 Untitled.

02:46:02.000 Called untitled.

02:46:04.000 And all the money from the views and the ad cents goes to victims of the LA fire.

02:46:09.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:46:09.000 Yeah, I don't want to get it.

02:46:10.000 For real, though.

02:46:11.000 For real.

02:46:12.000 For real, for real.

02:46:13.000 Like, unlike the all those other gigantic You know me.

02:46:16.000 I've never scammed anybody.

02:46:17.000 No.

02:46:18.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:18.000 I'm just like I was there in LA when it happened, and it was devastating.

02:46:23.000 Did you this is in the La Jolla?

02:46:25.000 Yeah, at the comedy store.

02:46:26.000 The La Hoys are such a great room.

02:46:28.000 That's such a great room.

02:46:29.000 Yeah.

02:46:30.000 Beautiful.

02:46:32.000 All right.

02:46:33.000 You're the best.

02:46:34.000 I love you.

02:46:34.000 Love you.

02:46:34.000 I love you better.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 24, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2383 - Ian Edwards

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