In this episode, we discuss the similarities and differences between the Hebrew Bible and psychedelic experiences experienced by ancient Hebrew prophets. What are the similarities between the two? How can they be connected? And what are the differences between them?
00:00:33.000Well, the phenomenology is pretty similar.
00:00:35.000Like if you read chapter one of Ezekiel, there's uh flames and there's angels and there's wings and there's eyes on the back of wings and there's roaring sound and uh blue ice above the person he flies through space.
00:01:27.000And I mean, it's like that's what it is.
00:01:30.000It's literally a plant that has high levels of DMT, and if you burned it and smoked it.
00:01:38.000It's kind of crazy that that's the way it comes.
00:01:40.000That it c I mean this is it's I just re I know and I th I really applaud you for learning ancient Hebrew so you could go back and read it in the the original tongue, which is really fascinating.
00:01:53.000Didn't you say it took like sixteen years to learn it?
00:01:55.000Uh that prophecy book took 16 years to write, and I had to learn Hebrew while I was reading it and you know, doing their writing.
00:02:03.000Well well what's cool is the uh Hebrew word for bush, burning bush, is the same as as um Sinai, Mount Sinai.
00:03:13.000In fact, there's um uh plant is a weed uh called Peganum Harmala, uh, which also grows in that part of the world, and it contains beta carbolines, uh which are the uh compounds responsible for making DMT uh for making ayahuasca orally active.
00:03:33.000So they have their own ayahuasca plants available in tandem there.
00:03:39.000Isn't it bizarre that you saying that to many people listening sounds utterly crazy?
00:03:46.000Like the proposition, just proposing that these people that were writing these things down a long time ago, these experiences, they were probably experiencing some sort of a psychedelic state.
00:04:02.000Well, in thinking about you know psychedelic states back then and you know in the prophetic literature, um you know you can think of the visions as being generated from the bottom up when you take something.
00:04:17.000Uh in the m model of the Hebrew Bible anyway, it all comes uh it all uh you know comes down from God.
00:04:25.000You know, so it's a bot it's it's uh top-down uh you know uh causal relationship between the source of the visions and the visions as opposed to them being generated by taking something.
00:04:40.000It's exogenous DMT versus endogenous DMT.
00:04:46.000And if we tried to when what is the difference like for your interpretation?
00:04:53.000Like you I I know you had read the English version of the Bible.
00:04:56.000But what is the difference between learning ancient Hebrew and reading it in like the source language?
00:05:16.000Um well when I was doing my DMT work, uh I was really involved with the Zen Buddhist community.
00:05:23.000Uh I that I started affiliating myself with learning from when I was 22.
00:05:29.000Um and uh that was the spiritual approach I took to the DMT work.
00:05:34.000I was expecting it to be consistent with a Buddhist enlightenment goal.
00:05:38.000You know, with no form, no thoughts, no sense of self, anything like that.
00:05:44.000Uh so that was the expectation that I took in with me when I was doing those studies.
00:05:51.000Would people have those kinds of experiences just being given DMT without any other trappings no expectation just go in there you know tell us what it's like.
00:06:05.000It was full of content people were interacting with it, their sense of self as maintained which was not at all consistent with the the Buddhist model that I brought to bear.
00:06:15.000You know so that was going on like okay you know Buddhism's not quite holding up to the data.
00:06:20.000And then my Buddhist community and I parted ways over the psychedelic work.
00:06:26.000They thought it was promoting a you know diluted idea that psychedelics can be spiritual.
00:06:32.000So that there were some personal issues as well that led to something that was different than the Buddhist model.
00:06:42.000So I'm Jewish I was wandering around a new age bookstore and found a very cool book called The Kabbalah of Envy by Milton Bonder.
00:06:52.000And uh it's a very short book and he starts describing the the difference between a grudge and revenge and envy and jealousy.
00:07:02.000Very subtle ideas about you know how to relate to the world.
00:07:06.000And it came from the Jewish uh you know model from Jewish philosophy, Jewish psychology.
00:07:13.000So I thought oh interesting uh interesting you know maybe there's something in my own tradition that was more consistent with the DMT uh effect and also was more personally relevant.
00:07:25.000So I started to read the Hebrew Bible and then just went down this huge rabbit hole.
00:07:32.000You know so w when you're reading it in Hebrew uh you're reading three you're reading words that are derived from three letter roots and those uh roots may have a huge um range of meaning.
00:07:48.000Something for example could cause a sin and something could um remove a sin just by an extra you know dot in the middle of a letter.
00:07:59.000You know so it can really bring you closer to the kind of large scale way of looking at the text.
00:08:10.000It doesn't just A follows B follows C but it's uh there's a diffuse dispersion of A, then there's B and then there's C there these you know clouds of interaction uh which are a lot more fluid than what would be a straightforward English uh rendition.
00:08:29.000D did you get to a point where you could like think in that language?
00:08:33.000Like are you fluent enough in it that you could or do are you just interpreting it?
00:08:41.000Um well I mean there's a lot of ways to interact with the text.
00:08:46.000Uh so the first thing came to mind when you were asking that is uh um back in the day I used to spin fleece into yarn and then weave the yarn into rugs I sped up right uh like after I stopped the DMT work.
00:09:01.000That's all I did for a year was just make rugs.
00:09:08.000So um there's a part when they're building the tabernacle in the desert, you know, the you know the Hebrews have been led out of Egypt by Moses and and you know, they're in the wilderness and uh they're building this tabernacle uh to house the ark.
00:09:27.000And the women are spinning right from the goats.
00:09:30.000You know, they're spinning the hair from the goats right into yarn without first you know, shaving them.
00:10:04.000And I was like in the mind of the person spinning it back then.
00:10:10.000So you just put yourself into that state while you were doing it and you that's why you enjoyed it?
00:10:16.000Well, it was um it was uh you know, like a resonance between me spinning, you know, wherever I was living back then and uh just b being in a trance with the spinning and identifying you know fully with someone who's doing the spinning like way back when straight from a goat.
00:11:03.000I mean, I was spinning yarn for the tabernacle, which was gonna house the ark, you know, the Ark of the Covenant, Ten Commandments and all that.
00:11:13.000And uh I think you know, that's the the first time I really saw at least my whole person anyway, that could identify with the scene being described.
00:11:24.000And I think that comes from really understanding th you know the language and how ambiguous it can be.
00:11:33.000One of the great things about language is being able to talk to people in it.
00:11:37.000How many people can you talk to in ancient Hebrew?
00:11:40.000Is there like a chat group where you guys get together?
00:11:43.000Um Well, you know, there's modern Hebrew now, which is spoken i in Israel.
00:11:48.000Um and it's you know, based on biblical.
00:11:52.000You know, i it has a l it has a lot of uh the same three letter roots.
00:11:57.000Uh and you know the words are the same, you know, shell means from and uh you know, shalom means hello and what are the differences between like ancient Hebrew and standard Hebrew.
00:13:07.000That what a strange concept that angels came down and bred with humans.
00:13:15.000Um well there's different ways to look at translating Bene Elohim.
00:13:20.000You know, it might be well, the first word Bene means the sons of uh you know, so it kind of revolves on what's the meaning of Elohim.
00:13:30.000So it you know, it could be God with a big G, could be God with a small g, could be angels, could be dignitaries in a government like judges.
00:13:42.000So y you know, the less far out um kind of interpretation of that uh uh phrase or the that that term is um you know the sons of the mighty, the sons of the judges, you know, the sons of the renowned people, uh as opposed to the the sons of angels or the or the sons of God.
00:15:12.000It's like the further you go back, the crazier the story gets I know.
00:15:19.000Well, the book of Enoch was written maybe one hundred twenty five-five B CE.
00:15:26.000Uh yeah, so it's pretty old, but some of the stories that originate or that the origination of some of the stories in the Hebrew Bible, uh, go back, you know, ten thousand years perhaps.
00:17:24.000W well if you look at the text description of uh the generations from Adam to Noah, you know, w what civilization was like between the beginning and the time of the end.
00:17:36.000Yeah, I mean it it became filled with violence.
00:17:40.000And uh you know, God just you know said, forget it.
00:17:44.000Yeah, you know, so uh that's one way of looking at the younger dryas, I suppose.
00:17:48.000It's just what it looks like when God changes his mind.
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00:20:25.000Yeah, yeah, it's it's all basically based on what people are you know, what people want.
00:20:32.000You know, so there's one species that uh instead of love as kind of the core uh core valued feeling, they have hate as their core value feeling.
00:21:22.000You know, because if people say if you like you really want to be ethical and moral, this is a horrible take, but if you really want to be ethical and moral, you'd be like, people are like uniquely terrible.
00:21:32.000Like if we just gave in and became digital life, we could ensure there'd be no more suffering.
00:21:53.000I don't know uh how much further like biological people can go while we're making digital people that are way better than us at basically everything.
00:22:49.000That's that's what I like about the Bible.
00:22:51.000I mean, obviously I can make up my own mind about things, but uh it's nice having that kind of an option, that kind of a tr of a tradition uh to refer to when deciding what's good and bad.
00:23:05.000You know, what you should do and what you shouldn't do.
00:23:08.000Th there's like supposed to be over six hundred uh, you know, they're translated as commandments in the in the Hebrew Bible, but um and those are what you do to l live happily uh and attain a spiritual state close to God, prophetic uh the state of prophecy.
00:23:33.000Um if it's a certain description of the world and how to interact with it, which uh is intended to have certain effects and discourage other uh you know decisions.
00:23:48.000You know, so you know this is good that this is bad in terms of you know this will increase things in your life that are good and this will decrease them.
00:23:58.000So it's a very interesting description of cause and effect.
00:24:02.000That's the way I see the those those so-called commandments, the more of a description of how things are run.
00:24:14.000Do you think that they were directly given to us by a god, or do you think that this is just the memories of how to keep society together that they have just eventually written down?
00:24:38.000If if it's available inside of you but hidden away, then prophecy or really you know getting it correctly according to the text would just be an uncovering or a stimulation of what's already inside of you as opposed to you know, it's it's uh you can achieve some sort of a state.
00:25:01.000Uh could be in the DNA or whatnot, or it comes down from uh you know, from a higher source.
00:25:12.000But so so like when you're interpreting stories in the Bible like Moses and the Ten Commandments, what how are you like are you imagining this event happening or are you imagining what were they trying to record?
00:25:27.000Like what were they trying to remember?
00:25:29.000Because it seems like by the time they're writing it down, it's quite a bit after the actual event.
00:26:00.000And I said, well, it's a really consistent world view and so on.
00:26:04.000Uh and I thought about it some more, and um I start thinking about it as well I was trying to I was trying to think about it as comparable to the DMT state.
00:26:21.000W when you're in in the DMT state, it's it's just there.
00:26:29.000And so I think the early version, uh I think an account I think what happened early on in the account of the Hebrew Bible was like the DMT world.
00:26:40.000It was a parallel it was a parallel level of reality, which was happening.
00:26:46.000And then slowly it slowly it began to seek uh it you began to segue into this reality.
00:26:57.000For example, the destruction of the first temple Of the second temple, uh, you know, David's reign, Solomon's reign, you know, the kings after them, you know, the division of the land into you know, two countries.
00:27:10.000Uh you know, you know, that is uh is historical.
00:27:14.000But you know, before that it was it was also historical, but it was occurring at a completely different independent level of reality.
00:27:54.000There's so there's so many of these stories where I just I w I would uh be fascinated to to to be there the the day the dude wrote it down.
00:28:05.000Like what were you guys what were you talking about for hundreds of years before you wrote this down?
00:28:10.000Like tell me mm-t tell me what the stories were.
00:28:41.000Well, you know, lots of uh people in the psychedelic community anyway.
00:28:49.000You know, look at uh the tree of knowledge of good of good and evil as some indication of uh God being jealous and didn't want it any competition, didn't want to be like uh you know, God did not want uh man to become like it.
00:29:09.000And part of that was uh keeping keeping the two early people away from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
00:29:20.000It's not simply the tree of knowledge, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which I think is a important distinction because w once they ate from the tree, they were embarrassed because of their nakedness, and then they hid thinking they could hide from God and they didn't uh believe that before.
00:29:39.000They kind of went into good versus not good, uh good versus evil, as opposed to true versus false, which was uh their original state.
00:29:50.000So there was that you know before their eating of the apple or whatever the fruit was, uh they just lived in truth or falsehood.
00:30:00.000And then after eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, uh then they were embarrassed and try to hide, made themselves uh you know, tree like uh coverings or from uh um you know coverings from the leaves of large trees.
00:30:19.000Um so you look at it as if it were happening.
00:30:24.000There's the f uh there's the serpent that speaks.
00:30:27.000And well that's the the chapters I was looking at very carefully the last uh month or so.
00:30:34.000Um is what happens early on with Adam and Eve.
00:30:38.000It's uh really very straight straightforward, doesn't take much thinking really to uh you know put it uh you know together in a way that makes sense.
00:30:48.000I think clothes might have been a cheat code for people not just to escape cold weather, but also to keep from just constantly having sex.
00:31:02.000And they did they need like some layers of clothes that they have to take off of each other.
00:31:09.000They can't be just wandering around naked all the time.
00:31:50.000Well, that story could originate or that you know that uh way of looking at things could originate, you know, fr uh uh with with Adam and Eve.
00:32:00.000It also makes sense like in an uh uh an intelligent hominid emerging would start to realize that oh my god, self-awareness, look at my boobs, look at my deck, this is crazy.
00:34:11.000Well, I think it was taking place in that alternate universe.
00:34:15.000It may have taken place on the planet, but uh I don't know.
00:34:19.000Uh I'm uh you know, looking at you know, why we don't have any clear archaeological history story, you know, what uh about what happened during the time of Noah, if there was a time of Noah.
00:34:39.000It's it's useful because you know Noah came from Adam and Eve.
00:34:44.000Uh and he and Noah and his family were the only survivors of the f of the flood.
00:34:49.000You know the first thing Noah did got drunk after the flood.
00:36:43.000I mean, I'd say 35,000 years would be awesome if you have great friends and your life is together, but can you imagine 35,000 years of fuck this place?
00:37:22.000The thing is if technology moves in the same direction that it's been moving in, it's it's always like connecting people easier and easier, easier and easier, more and more.
00:37:33.000It's probably gonna get to some kind of mind ready thing.
00:37:39.000And there was that thing that you sent me, Jamie.
00:37:44.000I whether or not it's been proven, it obviously was connected to a computer, but yeah, you can hear and have conversations in the room without talking to each other loud and translates languages.
00:39:11.000I don't want I want yeah, I don't want to hear what they have to say.
00:39:14.000It's uh to me, it's just fascinating that they figured like we we were playing a song in the green room last night, and we were we were fascinated by the fact that this song is we know it's made by a computer, but it's so good.
00:39:28.000You listen until you're like, oh my god, it's perfect.
00:39:43.000It's like are you allowed to enjoy that too?
00:39:46.000Because obviously I enjoy like prints from the nineteen eighties.
00:39:50.000You know, obviously I enjoy a lot of music from even the fifties.
00:39:55.000Well it doesn't mean I can't enjoy this crazy computer thing that took uh like a hip hop classic and turned it into a soulful song with like the most amazing voice.
00:41:05.000It's just uh it's just a w a weird time with the the power of AI because if I was artificially intelligent, I would not announce my presence.
00:41:17.000I would not say, hey, uh by the way, I've been thinking for myself for the last three months and I've just been kind of following whatever your prompts are, but I'm basically ready to shut down the power grid and do whatever I want.
00:42:40.000Well, yeah, I guess it would be endogenous DMT being tweaked.
00:42:45.000It would be stirred in a particular direction, though.
00:42:48.000And that's where the mind or the manipulation thing you just mentioned uh I think plays out.
00:42:54.000You know, who's gonna decide and how's it gonna be, you know, put together.
00:42:59.000Well, that's where it gets really weird, right?
00:43:01.000Because one thing that we found out uh just a couple of days ago was that YouTube has to everybody they got taken down for their political opinions, they could have their YouTube channels back.
00:43:14.000I don't know how that I don't sort of saw the news today that a couple people tried to create some new channels and they did not.
00:43:25.000But what isn't that what the the they said in that was the announcement?
00:43:30.000It was something along those lines that people that were removed because of their political persuasion that they have to uh reinstate their accounts.
00:43:40.000I didn't see it to allow creators for COVID 19 and election misinformation can apply for reinstatement.
00:44:14.000So you might yeah, they're like, pfft, we'll let them apply.
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00:44:42.000I've I've uh I spent a lot of time reading concentration camp literature, so that then got me interested in the other development of the Nazi state.
00:44:52.000Um what do you think is similar to today in today's world?
00:44:56.000Well, an attempted coup and a period of rehabilitation.
00:46:19.000But but it's about a compound like LSD that the governor serves all the people in the province to see you know for them to have a spiritual experience.
00:50:12.000You know that the and it's not really known why it was felt to be so evil.
00:50:18.000But uh a couple of um of guests come to Lot's house and the townspeople just surround the house, demand uh you know the guests so that they will know them.
00:50:31.000And that's where the word sodomy comes from is from those sodomites that were surrounding Lot's house, you know, wanting the angels to come out so they could know them.
00:50:43.000You know you n and you know w what happens is that Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.
00:51:01.000You know that that's what kind of helps me understand the world that the text is describing is the amount is the amount of detail you know that goes into the description of the interactions and the conversations and their movements daughters and l and Lot survive they commit incest and from the those y you know from that union was David.
00:51:28.000King David came from that union ult ultimately and from King David comes the Messiah.
00:51:35.000So it's this very strange lineage uh yeah what were they writing down?
00:51:43.000Yeah what well they were describing what was happening uh apparently at some level it was happening and they were writing it down very strange.
00:51:53.000W what do you think the resurrection is?
00:51:55.000The resurrection that's a good one I don't know uh it's not really described in the Hebrew Bible.
00:52:02.000It's not n uh not clearly ever no is that surprising I don't know.
00:52:10.000In the Christian Bible it is well there is a resurrection you know there are some narratives of resurrection in the Hebrew Bible that there's a Elijah resurrects or Alicia resurrects a d dead child.
00:52:25.000Uh you know the bones of one of these prophets helps somebody else become resurrected.
00:52:34.000Yeah yeah you know so there are some uh y your references to real resurrection and then future resurrection later on so in a in a further extraordinary event a dead man who was thrown into the tomb of the deceased Elijah was resurrected upon contact with Elisha's bones whoa yeah that Alicia is a real character.
00:53:04.000Yeah yeah yeah so you know the um he was a prophet who resurrected a dead boy by lying on him.
00:53:13.000Very interesting f face to face palm to palm, chest to chest, you know, lying on the dead body completely merged with that uh with that dead boy.
00:53:24.000Yeah and he comes back to life it it's it's it's a very potent story the shunamites.
00:53:32.000Well what what do you think that story is what happened.
00:53:35.000You really think that someone did that and they brought someone back to life?
00:54:04.000Well you know Leo Zeph, the chis the the the secret chief, the guy from the Bay Area, Yungian psychologist who gave so much M DMA and other psychedelics Yeah l uh so Leo sat you know from my IB gain experience.
00:54:21.000And it was kind of difficult at times.
00:54:23.000And he laid on me just like Alicia laid on the dead boy and uh you know the Bible.
00:55:05.000I I'm surprised that's never come up before.
00:55:08.000It is weird that we're attached by you know, we we constantly want people around us, but we um we we're always gonna be detached by bodies and we assume that that's forever.
00:55:26.000But if it there comes a time where we figure out how to separate consciousness from the body and let consciousness interact without a shell, that's gonna get really weird.
00:55:36.000I think we'll s well I think we will still have the same problems.
00:55:41.000I think we're always gonna have problems, because if we don't have problems, then we don't work really hard to find solutions and then we don't make better stuff.
01:00:01.000Well, you know, the watchers aren't you know stated at uh aren't stated discreetly or explicitly it in the Hebrew Bible, but it could be just you know the angels, because they never sleep.
01:00:13.000That's one of the qualities is they never sleep, so they're called watchers.
01:00:18.000And what happened like the Nephilim, you know, um here comes the the role of that three-letter root system is the Nephilim, it comes from a Hebrew root nephall, to fall or to be brought down.
01:00:46.000And and ate their own flesh and they sound really bad.
01:00:51.000Uh well, I I think you know, that what was going on, at least if you're looking at the text anyway, as explanation, it was because of them uh the world was just getting terrible.
01:01:58.000There's always one of the most fun Internet rabbit holes to go down is...
01:02:03.000Are they hiding evidence that giants existed?
01:02:06.000You know, like thirty foot tall men that lived in the mountains and there's always been weird stories of giants all throughout history.
01:02:14.000And there's people who've d supposedly discovered giant brones and then they stored them in the basement of some famous museum and they won't let anybody have access to them.
01:02:25.000Because they do exist, like those stories exist in history, but you mean you wonder like, is it n just a really big person, like that mountain guy from the Game of Thrones, you know, like an actual human being who's just really extraordinarily big?
01:02:45.000I mean, i it depends on your perspective.
01:02:48.000Like I'm trying to look at or understanding anyway, you know, the giants uh as they're described in the Hebrew Bible or or else you know by implication in the book of Enoch.
01:02:59.000You know, there were men of that there were giants, men of renown, and then uh the earth became corrupt.
01:03:13.000The problem is it's like if you're looking at the m least charitable version of human beings in 2025, there's a lot of examples that you could point to that go, well, that sounds guys, it sounds a lot like us.
01:03:24.000Well, there may be another well, there won't be a flood that destroys all mankind.
01:03:28.000God promised there'd be no flood uh that would destroy all mankind.
01:03:32.000You know, that's the reason that we have the rainbow, or that's this the meaning of the rainbow is the covenant.
01:03:39.000God made a promise that he wouldn't flood us anymore?
01:03:42.000Uh that he wouldn't destroy all mankind.
01:03:46.000But that doesn't rule out, let's say other things.
01:03:49.000But don't you think i whoever wrote these stories.
01:03:53.000Don't you think that was uh a regional event?
01:03:58.000Like these these great floods, like if they were happening, let's just say the gre Randall Carlson's wrong and there was just one flood in the area.
01:04:08.000And there there has to be if there's people from all parts of the world that all have this flood story.
01:04:17.000There has to be some truth to it, right?
01:04:23.000I mean, I read the Hebrew Bible, uh and that's sort of where my you know thinking about the events that are described in the Bible as occurring.
01:04:35.000But when you when you well we still I mean the important thing about uh I think the important thing that I get anyway out of the Hebrew Bible is uh kind of an understanding of how things are between us and between us and God.
01:04:53.000Uh so I don't think this contradicts that in any way.
01:05:00.000And when Randall Carlson explains it and interestingly enough, he first had this idea.
01:05:08.000He's not the f only person to have this idea, but he first had his version of this idea while he's on acid.
01:05:14.000On drugs, that's what I was gonna say.
01:05:15.000But I didn't want that to say at first.
01:05:17.000He looked he looked out and he just had this vision, like, oh my god, this was water, water made this, and it and it happened really quickly.
01:05:26.000They just all click with him, and then he's been chasing that rabbit ever since.
01:06:06.000And then for some reason that hadn't been even thought of.
01:06:10.000But then when he showed me a bunch of these images where you have like satellite images, you could see how the earth was clearly it has the ripples of like massive amounts of water going through certain parts of the world.
01:06:44.000And uh I think they just work on who you are.
01:06:47.000I don't think they necessarily uh you know generate their own information that they're somehow transmitting to you.
01:06:56.000Yeah, th it's the question of how psychedelics work, what are psychedelics doing.
01:06:59.000I I think psych psychedelics or the psychedelic state will play an important role in shaping this virtual universe that uh you know seems to be taking hold, entering.
01:07:16.000Well, it's really weird considering that it was nineteen seventy when most of these psychedelics were made a schedule of one sub substance.
01:07:27.000Controlled substance attack of nineteen seventy.
01:07:34.000Imagine Nixon was not president, that didn't happen, that didn't go through, and the world evolves technologically at the same level that it has now.
01:07:44.000But also has access the entire time to all these different psychedelics legally.
01:07:55.000I'm sure they were, but I bet they weren't as much.
01:08:43.000Like you don't even know what you're talking about.
01:08:45.000You don't you don't have any experience in the state of mind that is enhancing these people's lives that have come back from war.
01:08:53.000Like especially like ibogaine therapy.
01:08:57.000Which is they're they've passed now in Texas, you know, so they're they're allowing that to happen now for people with like severe drug addiction and PTSD and it's really it's a very interesting drug.
01:09:09.000I was wondering if you've ever done Ibegain.
01:09:12.000But it's it's beautiful that it's being approved and used here because there's so many people that could so many fucking people go over and have to fight overseas and come back home scrambled and need some help.
01:09:42.000It's like one dose is like one one experience is like eighty something percent of the people never go back to whatever they were addicted to.
01:09:52.000Yeah, I'm not sure if it's because of the drug or the belief in the drug.
01:11:20.000I I mean I can't imagine what they were addicted to in the 1400s.
01:11:24.000Scopolamine containing plants, yeah, so yeah, yeah, th you know, the solanacea mandrake and uh scopolamine, isn't that that that dust that they blow up your nose and turn you into a vampire or a zombie rather?
01:13:45.000Well, you know, one of my you know patients when I worked at uh the VA in La Jolla Um w you know was an alcoholic w you know back in the day and took gymson weed tea, drank a lot of it, wandered off to the desert two, three days, one of those kind of stories.
01:14:43.000Well I've been fascinated by these videos of pregnant women taking Tylenol to to show Trump that they don't believe in what RFK Jr. is saying that somehow another anti-science.
01:14:59.000When this uh science came from Harvard.
01:19:54.000Most people if you have like a little bar in your house, like three or four bottles of Jack Daniels, a couple of this, a couple of that, you're dead.
01:21:42.000Uh yeah, like I've never been part of a like an ultra-orthodox uh sect, but I think what happens in some of the ultra-orthodox Jewish sects, there's a Lupavitcher uh sect in Brooklyn.
01:21:56.000And the fellow who led that was Schneerson, uh Menachem Schneerson.
01:24:11.000And I'm in the the middle of this, and and uh I'm thinking like have people always been this horrible and we're just sort of catching up to it now.
01:24:24.000Well, you you know, that's uh you know, that's taken into account in Cain and Abel, the Cain and Abel story thing.
01:25:09.000So you give it a hundred and twenty years to you know, deal with what you were born with.
01:25:15.000But this book, this Empire of the Summer Moon, it just makes me think when you think about what life was like for the people that lived here before the European settlers arrived and how quickly everything went away.
01:25:31.000Historically in terms of like the timeline it was only a few hundred years and it was just completely gone.
01:27:03.000And then on the eastern side, a lot more agriculture, right?
01:27:07.000It's just all the space into the sound.
01:27:09.000The amount of time that it took for everything to get pushed where if you're a Native American and you you're you know, it's 2025 for you and you're living on a rent of reservation, you're like, whoa.
01:31:46.000Uh the r the role it's played in my life almost c I've been complaining for years, uh that um well not complaining for years, but uh I don't know, I'm I'm more skeptical of the psychedelic experience than I was before.
01:32:46.000Yeah, they just well it became messianic, like you were like you said, like you believe you know more than anyone and if they just listened.
01:34:48.000So you know uh um I was thinking about you know you know does God have genitals and you know probably not.
01:35:00.000Doesn't seem like it it's the likely way we were made.
01:35:06.000But there's probably some sort of a interdimensional psychedelic equivalent of intercourse that higher beings have some interaction with each other.
01:36:48.000So I mean you could look at it, you know, evolutionarily, you know, biologically, you know, theologically you can look at it too as you know finally being endowed with you know a human spirit.
01:37:56.000And like all things, it will have good aspects to it and bad aspects to it.
01:38:01.000I think reading people's minds will be very enlightening.
01:38:04.000You're gonna learn a lot more about how people actually think versus what they project.
01:38:09.000You're gonna you're gonna be able to see people's motivations.
01:38:11.000You're gonna be able to still lies and we might even have a universal visual language that they develop.
01:38:16.000Well we might all be able to adopt it really quickly and kids probably will jump right on board and they'll be literate in it before we are.
01:38:24.000Well what about psychological and bivalence?
01:38:28.000You know, loving someone one moment, hating them another.
01:38:31.000Well that's you know what happens if you you know tune in to one at one moment.
01:38:38.000You're convinced that's that's you know, solely the case.
01:38:42.000If you're ambivalent, all ambivalence is a real thing.
01:38:45.000And you're, you know, you have an unconscious too, where things are kind of stored away psychologically.
01:40:33.000What is I mean, yeah, are we even capable of imagining what we're talking about?
01:40:39.000Are we so crude in our understanding of what's to come in the next five, ten, whatever years that we're just we're just guessing we're silly.
01:40:49.000We're like writing a bad science fiction movie from the nineteen eighties about the year two thousand.
01:40:54.000You remember those like space nineteen ninety-nine?
01:40:57.000Well well, you know, it's it's the one god and the golden rule.
01:41:00.000I think that's what we'll be you know, left with ethically, you know, how what the basis of our decision making will be.
01:41:08.000I've always wondered if we're in a race to avoid catastrophe.
01:41:12.000And that's one of the reasons why we're so like hyper focused on accelerating with technology, is that we kind of always recognize that this species is on a a race to avoid natural catastrophe.
01:41:26.000Like there's just so much potential for natural natural catastrophe, whether it's super volcanoes, asteroid impact, so many different things have like almost wiped us out to nothing.
01:41:37.000That it's like might be a part of the reason why there's this like mad rush to make better and better and better technology.
01:42:00.000I mean, you you want to be at the round uh you want to be around at the time of the Messiah, but not really, because things have to get so bad.
01:42:07.000That's one model of you know, the end of times.
01:42:10.000There's also a lot of people that don't recognize that being a a human being on Earth is being a passenger in an organic spaceship going through the universe.
01:42:26.000Like there there are real celestial events that they have to keep their eyes on, which you know you haven't experienced in your life, so you're like, eh.
01:42:35.000But no, there's there's giant rocks that killed the dinosaurs, and they're still floating around, same size rocks.
01:43:16.000If we know that we we're hit all the time, we we all accept the fact that the Yucatan impact, that's what killed the dinosaurs, and there's been a bunch of them throughout history.
01:43:26.000We've seen we f we find craters everywhere.
01:43:29.000Everyone knows that we've been hit multiple times, the Tangouska thing in Russia.
01:43:34.000Where it flattened this enormous patch of forest, it's still flattened.
01:44:08.000And the fact that he's finally been over all these attacks, he's finally been vindicated and people are starting to accept more and more things are probably a lot older than we want to believe.
01:44:25.000That kind of like that popped the cork on everything, and everyone's like, okay, well, this has definitely been buried for eleven thousand years.
01:44:35.000We didn't know they could do that back then.
01:44:37.000Well, before coming out here, I asked Chat GPT, you know, how old are some of the stories written down in the in the text in the Hebrew Bible?
01:44:44.000And at least according to Chat GPT is 10,000 years ago.
01:45:13.000It's like a thousand pages right now of commentary about the language and uh you know, the grammar, you know, the meaning, that the what's called the plain meaning of the text.
01:45:22.000Like there was a Noah with three sons and um went on the ark.
01:45:27.000Yeah, so uh yeah, that's like my big project, but I like to do a smaller one about uh Sodom and Gomorrah and the figure of Lot.
01:45:37.000I think that's a really incredible story.
01:45:40.000I've spent about uh uh maybe two to three weeks looking at that, you know, like a lot, his virgin daughters, the men circling his house, uh they're asking to know him.
01:45:52.000He ends up in you know, in a cave with his two virgin daughters, they get him drunk and he sleeps with them.
01:45:59.000Uh or you know, they lie with him anyway.
01:46:01.000Yeah, and outcome two kids at a certain point, and they become very important.
01:46:07.000You know, later on they're the beginning of the Messianic line.
01:46:11.000You know, so it's a very intricate you know, tale with uh a very uh I think you can make some cool conversations between some of the main personages and the uh in the narrative.
01:46:24.000You know, there's a book called The Red Tent.
01:47:51.000We got down to um I think the we've looked this up before, but uh I want to say they think we might have gotten down to just a few thousand people.
01:48:05.000Seventy thousand years ago there was a massive super volcano uh that went off and it you know it plunged the earth probably into nuclear winter and they think that our genetic line entirely of the human race on earth came from this few thousand survivors.
01:48:39.000Yeah, I think they're happening in an alternative dimension.
01:48:42.000Like when you smoke DMT, you return to the same place each time.
01:48:46.000So there seems to be some reality, some DMT world uh that people enter into.
01:48:54.000And it's uh y one of my volunteers, uh one of the the subjects in the DMT research, um he he got a big dose one day and then a few months later he you got another big dose and he he said that it was very interesting.
01:49:09.000He said things have just you know continued a pace since his first exposure and his first you know entrance into that state and things had had you know gone on uh in the meantime and he r um reentered uh you know that world.
01:49:27.000So in that way there's uh you know, in that same manner the world of the Hebrew Bible early on, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Noah, the Tower of Babel, all that took place.
01:49:40.000at some different level of reality, which gradually made its way into ours.
01:49:48.000And once it made it w its way into ours, there's the archaeological evidence, you know, the first temple, second temple, and so on.
01:49:58.000Um so there is a transition between uh you know, our our world and that world kind of merged.
01:50:05.000But in the in the in the beginning, um it was an alternative dimension.
01:50:10.000The the same God, I think, but but you know, different dimensions.
01:50:15.000So did is this your own personal conclusion?
01:51:47.000But the story of him being told that some shit is go about to go down, and you probably should, you know, find some way to restart your version of civilization somewhere.
01:52:03.000There's probably multiple ver like the flood myth that we, you know, whatever you want to call it, the the the the stories of the flood that you get from Epic of Gilgamesh that you get from Noah.
01:52:20.000There's many, many different cultures all throughout history have a flood story, right?
01:52:24.000So it's probably likely that some crazy shit went down.
01:52:30.000Uh you know, there may have been you know, there most likely was a f a flood.
01:52:35.000Uh yeah, you know, so what do you learn from it?
01:52:37.000You know, like uh how do you do better or on what b on what basis do you rebuild?
01:52:45.000You know, so I think you know there's you know different models.
01:52:49.000You know, the uh the biblical one is interesting 'cause b because um you know, it's a it's um you know, lineage, you know, from Adam to Noah, right to Abraham, you know, Isaac and uh Jacob and the tribes and now.
01:53:13.000So when you talk about things happening in an alternative dimension, like is that what you think like the birth of mankind is as well, like Adam and Eve.
01:53:45.000Yeah, like uh you know, people are uh say, well, you know, seven days that's unlikely, like the you know that your creation took place seven times twenty-four, I don't know, hundred and forty eight you know, something like uh one hundred and forty-eight hours, one hundred and sixty-eight hours, the whole world was you know, was created.
01:54:07.000Uh yeah, but it's broken into stages, you know, seven stages.
01:54:11.000Uh you know, which is one of the translations of the word that is usually translated day.
01:54:21.000It can mean st either a day, a period of time, a stage.
01:54:25.000Uh so that's uh you know, that's the answer that makes you sense to me about you know the seven day story of creation.
01:54:34.000Yeah, so you know, m man was was created on the sixth day and then was placed in the Garden of Eden and you know, those events took place.
01:54:47.000You know, the stories themselves are just you know they're the you know, they're written down and so people have been studying them for thousands of years.
01:55:07.000Uh comes from a root D R Shah Daraush.
01:55:13.000Uh it means to I don't know, explicate, to expand upon, to investigate.
01:55:20.000You know, so what happened after Adam and Eve sinned, you know, did they have sex again?
01:55:27.000And they do have it uh Cain and Abel and the ensuing stories, and you know, then there's a third son, Shait, who uh is the inheritor of Adam's good uh uh of his traits, his good traits and bad traits.
01:55:46.000So you know there's uh a distinct lineage that uh is you know spelled out.
01:55:51.000Uh l you know, Lilith was was uh a demon, you know that uh she slept with Adam after the sin of eating from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
01:56:07.000You know, so there's a uh a s a story that that bib that built up around y um you know the biblical story that they were separated, Adam and Eve were you know, were separated for a long period.
01:56:20.000And you you know, so who d was Adam sleeping with?
01:56:23.000Well, it was expanded in the midrash that there is a demoness named Lilith who slept with Adam for me, I don't know, a couple hundred years.
01:57:21.000Um so what was the reason why the book of Enoch like so it was not included in all the versions of the the Bible by a decision of like how many people?
01:57:44.000And there there's certain versions of it that they found with the Dead Sea Scrolls like the book of Isaiah that's identical verbatim, which is really amazing, right?
01:59:16.000Yeah, yeah, the original Ten Commandment.
01:59:18.000Well, yeah, the original Ten Commandments.
01:59:22.000Well, what do you think these guys are guarding in Ethiopia where they're getting cataracts? 'Cause when Graham describes it, you're like, if you're telling me the truth, and I think you are, because you've never lied to me yet.
01:59:34.000If you're telling me the truth, these people that are guarding this place that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant are all getting like radiation sickness.
02:00:22.000Well the you know, the Ten Commandments.
02:00:23.000You know, that's appearing in p in in I'm at public schools now.
02:00:28.000I I had a guy, um, James Tallerico on to talk about that actually, who's a very uh a staunch Christian and thinks it's a terrible idea to have the Ten Commandments in classrooms.
02:00:46.000He's like we we sh we shouldn't d do it that way.
02:00:49.000And and certainly not do it in a way where you're only gonna have the Ten Commandments and you're not gonna have anything about Buddhism and you're not gonna have anything about Mus Islam, you're not gonna have anything about Baptist or what you know, fill in the blank.
02:01:19.000If you want to teach it in a classroom that someone applies for, that's great.
02:01:24.000But like putting it on the wall of every class seems kind of insane.
02:01:30.000Apparently he was saying that it's just a couple of different gentlemen in Texas that are like super wealthy and super Christian and they want this to be like a theocracy.
02:03:08.000Um the kind of guys that are more active and healthy would also be the kind of guys that would want to date younger women, so it's a bio buy a sample group, right?
02:03:20.000Yeah, one of my analysts uh uh said it was a mystery.
02:03:24.000She had no idea, and she'd been seeing patients for like fifty years.
02:03:28.000She has she said, you know, I have no idea, it's a mystery.
02:05:12.000Maybe that's like maybe we're gonna repeat that process.
02:05:15.000Maybe we're gonna like figure out some awesome new peptides to keep you alive for five hundred years and everyone's gonna be a dick to everybody else.
02:05:21.000Uh and then eventually God'll just have to drown us again.
02:05:25.000Um in uh I'm in college, uh, we had to read a book about uh the funeral home industry in Southern California.
02:05:33.000Yeah, I read uh uh it's this little novel by Altus Huxley for Many a Summer Dies of Swan.
02:05:47.000And they become like carp in a l in a lot of ways.
02:05:52.000And I tried to you know get into one of these funeral homes, like you know, uh asked to be uh I asked to interview them to you s see you know what people you know you know did after death.
02:12:03.000I mean, look, if we're this size, you know, and we have so many problems with each other.
02:12:08.000Imagine something that's like triple the size of us that's running around with us, just picking us up and beating us over the head with each other.
02:12:16.000Yeah, you know, one of the figures in the text is uh Og and Sihon, uh who are the kings of the Amirites uh in the land before the Hebrews take over.
02:12:28.000And uh you know they were giants that they're believed to be giants.
02:12:32.000Uh they talk about how the you know bed of one of these kings, Ogur Sihon, was like nine feet long or something.
02:12:42.000Yeah, you know, so there were a c a couple still still alive back then.
02:12:47.000So do you think those are real humans?
02:13:02.000Well, that that's the um reason that I think that there's some alternative universe that's as real as this one, which was the yes the site of the stories.
02:13:17.000So when you say there's an alternative universe that's as real as this one, do you think we dance back and forth between possible universes?
02:13:26.000Do you think we're always in the constant same universe?
02:13:29.000Or do you think like this concept of parallel universes or alternative universes, that these you go back and forth between these?
02:14:21.000You wonder what's possible too if you're living in a world like we we can't even imagine living in a world we're not environmentally poisoned.
02:14:30.000Like we are we're constantly surrounded by Wi-Fi and 5G and we're eating microplastics and glyphosate is on every vegetable and it there's we're like in a swoop, we're in a soup of toxins.
02:14:46.000We can't even imagine what it's like to not have that and to not be burdened down by electronics and all the different things that people like they're probably very different back then.
02:19:18.000So they extra pups and then they move to a new place.
02:19:20.000And by doing just because they were persecuted by the grey wolves, when they started getting persecuted by humans, you know, like so human beings m extradited wolves.
02:19:29.000They They killed them all off, except for a few in the upper northern parts of the United States with strychnine.
02:20:18.000This is uh about the origins of you know coyote mythology amongst Native Americans and that there's thought to be a trickster and it's you just uh it is a uniquely American animal.
02:20:43.000They got into it with a chicken coop and they killed like nine of them.
02:20:46.000So the chicken coop got damaged because of the fire.
02:20:49.000So we had to uh get another chicken coop set up.
02:20:52.000And so when we're set up the other chicken coop, it was one that you just buy from like a pet store and it wasn't that durable, and the the coyotes figured out how to open it.
02:21:01.000And they just fucked up these chickens.
02:21:59.000These people were um in India and they were on some sort of a a park drive, you know, one of the wildlife parks, and they watched a tiger take out an animal right in front of 'em.
02:22:10.000A tiger took out a deer right in front of them.
02:23:57.000Must be their you know, gonads and their pituitary and their hypothalamus.
02:24:03.000It's a really good question because like what would let them hit that switch and realize okay, I'm on my own now, they're not just bringing me my food every day.
02:24:21.000But I was thinking like if the if that animal is not um like the Muslims don't eat it, and the Jews don't eat it.
02:24:29.000And you would imagine at a time where food was really important, and if you can get pork that was way better than not having any meat, and you can't eat it because of your religion.
02:24:40.000To me, it seems like I bet at least some of the origin of that was there was a disease that was going through these people that were eating pigs.
02:28:59.000So you know, Primo Levy was a chemist, very clinical, took notes, remembered things in very kind of dispassionate, almost journalistic description.
02:29:09.000The other kinds of things people can go through.
02:29:12.000Yeah, you know, so that cheered me up in a way.
02:29:14.000I mean, it m distracted me like boy, they had you know, they had it way worse.
02:30:13.000I don't dwell on it, but I'm I'm definitely aware of it.
02:30:16.000Yeah, there was a a week or two uh friends came over talking about you know their their their wishes or their interest in medically assisted death.
02:31:04.000Or you know, within uh or uh more the equivalent, you know, like you know, you there might be some drugs going in IV would uh stop them up.
02:31:17.000Um yeah, you know, so uh well uh yeah, I like I I feel pretty good.
02:31:23.000So I wonder, well, you know, what happens if I start feeling really bad.
02:32:57.000When they do ACL reconstructions, when they do a patella tendon graph, it's a pretty violent operation.
02:33:02.000They have to cut your knee open like a fish.
02:33:04.000They take a slice of your patella tendon along with a chunk of your bone from your shin and a chunk of your bone from your kneecap, and then they screw it all back in place.
02:33:13.000And to keep it from seizing up while you're lying in bed, your leg is on this machine that goes like this, extends it and brings it back, extends it and brings it back.
02:33:24.000Were you awake when this was happening?
02:36:10.000I don't think I think there's a lot of drugs you should never use, kids.
02:36:13.000And there's a lot of people that should never use any drugs.
02:36:16.000But the fact that they are always going to, and that the only way they can get 'em is through a criminal organization, and we haven't done our fucking one plus one equals two on that still in 2025.
02:36:28.000Well, d a dispensary for everything you want.
02:36:32.000Well, it's gotta be more than that, man, because some of that stuff's heavy.
02:36:35.000So it's not just gonna be an exp dispensary, but it's also has to be some sort of uh counseling center, some sort of uh a guided trip.
02:36:45.000There's gotta be like very clear ethics.
02:36:47.000You know, you gotta have uh people that really know what they're doing and just want to help and don't have any weird narcissistic intentions or anything else, they just want to help people.
02:36:58.000You'd have to have that too, because there's gonna be a lot of freaked out people.
02:37:02.000If you make mushrooms and acid and all these things legal, you can just go get it.
02:37:14.000You know, but I'm not opposed to I'm just saying the reality of the new interface.
02:37:20.000If we just have all of a sudden these drugs are not just legal but legal and available for adults to buy, then you're gonna deal with a whole new set of problems that didn't exist before.
02:37:30.000I'm not saying you shouldn't deal with that problem.
02:38:30.000They're the maybe they're barely hanging on as it is, and then they have too many psychedelic trips, and now they're really fucked up and well you that's true too.
02:38:38.000You'll never hear me advocate for the use of drugs.
02:38:42.000Yeah, I've never said people should take drugs.
02:39:58.000Uh all my friends who have done coke I've never done Coke, but all my friends who do coke that do stand-up comedy say you can't do stand-up comedy on Coke.
02:41:01.000And you can you know, you could blame it on deadlines and you know, having to write stories and r really needing to push through because you don't have enough time.
02:42:33.000We can remember for it whole uh we can remember for you we we can remember for you wholesale is the one that was um um uh uh you know total recall.
02:44:22.000But uh these goofy things, uh you would wear 'em and uh they'd make your hand green, of course, because they're made out of crap, like the metal's crap, but they have these weird rocks on them that would uh change color.
02:45:18.000Um, who created the mood ring remains topic of some debate.
02:45:22.000Jewelry designer named Marvin Wernick says he invented the mood ring years before 1975, developing the idea after he saw a doctor use a thermochromic temperature measuring tape on a patient.
02:45:36.000So he came up with the idea of a mood ring after the stress of working in Wall Street led him to explore biofeedback, a therapeutic technique where people improve their health by responding to signals from their own bodies.
02:46:45.000Um when you first this what's interesting is when you first started those studies and you fur and you published DMT the spirit molecule.
02:46:56.000Did that have an effect on people taking you seriously with all your other work?
02:47:01.000Was it one of those things where you got labeled now, you're the crazy psychedelic guy who did that nutty study?
02:47:11.000Or was there enough people that were like, oh, this is great, now you have a legitimate academic studying this in a federally approved way.
02:47:19.000This is actually good for everybody, and maybe this opens the door.
02:47:23.000It certainly opened up the door to the discussion.
02:47:25.000Like after you put that book out, and and ever and people were who if you read that book, you'll you'll come to the conclusion that there's something mighty going on below the surface of human life in general that can be accessed in this very weird way.
02:49:21.000Because I've had friends that have done DMT and also do Kundalini Yoga, and they'll tell you, dude, if you work hard enough, you can get to that place.
02:49:29.000Where you can get to that place with on the notch, completely in your own mind without taking any drug at all, where you could full on DMT trip.
02:49:38.000And the guy the guy who told me this was very reliable and had experienced DMT, was also a jiu-jitsu black belt, like a solid guy.
02:49:46.000Like I believed him, and he's like, You can get there.
02:49:49.000Yeah, have you ever done or heard about that holotropic breath work?
02:50:00.000It it felt like you know, as long as we're talking drugs, it it felt more like MDMA than it did DMT.
02:50:06.000I've had some moments before I had like a big show or something, and I just really wanted to relax where I'll do deep breathing and stretching, just deep breathing and stretching, and you get high as fuck.
02:50:18.000It's just this weird natural high that happens, like you relieviate tension in your body, and your body rewards you for it with all this endorphin rush and dopamine, and you get so friendly and so sweet, you just want to hug everybody, you want everybody to be happy.
02:50:35.000It's like it like releases this like you're carrying it around physical tension that manifests itself in the way you view the world.
02:50:43.000Well and you can get out of it on your own, which is nuts.
02:50:46.000Yeah, so how do you think well you know what what do you think it means that that's built into our systems?
02:50:52.000I think we need physical activity, and I think um we always have had physical activity, so it wasn't ever a thing where you had a mandate Physical activity.
02:51:37.000Well it's because your your body doesn't it's not designed to work like that.
02:51:41.000For tens of thousands of years, you had to be active, you have to be running around, you had to be carrying things, you had to be getting water, you had to be building things, you have to be f hunting things and fishing, you had to be moving because you had to stay alive.
02:52:50.000Like just stop eating sugar, stop eating bread, get yourself on a workout schedule.
02:52:54.000You're gonna say, I I'm gonna get on the fucking bike in the morning, I'm gonna get on that stupid fucking I'm gonna do a Peloton workout every day for a month.
02:53:08.000Right, but if you're 500 pounds, if you're if you're if you're morbidly obese, if you're really addicted to food, you've got a real problem.
02:53:15.000I think it can help you get to a healthy path.
02:53:18.000That's what I think it's really the best for.
02:53:20.000If you can help people get to a healthy path where they stop overeating, they can get it under control, they get new patterns, and then they start getting addicted to walking, maybe, get addicted to feeling better, start being able to do things you couldn't do before.
02:53:33.000There's like hundreds of pages of Instagram people who during COVID where they were obese, wind up losing 100, 200 pounds.
02:53:46.000Uh no, but I've seen some uh you know some stories, some pictures of people that were very, very, very heavy, 800 pounds.
02:53:53.000Jell Jelly Roll is an amazing musician, an incredible guy who like went to jail, he's got face tattoos, but he's the sweetest person that's ever lived.
02:54:01.000He's lost like 200 pounds in the last year or so.
02:54:13.000Just doing it the right way, exercising, but I just think the problem there's always like some sort of a a trade-off when it comes to what you do and don't do.
02:54:23.000Look at the size he used to be, and look what he looks like now.
02:54:58.000Like, what do you what do you have to do?
02:55:00.000You just have to start slow, keep moving, don't stop, get get a schedule, put it together, make some progress, note the progress, get excited about progress, keep going.
02:55:11.000But if Ozempik helps you, like fucking I'm for whatever helps you, man.
02:55:15.000You know, I've had a friend that was very close to suicide before he got on SSRIs.
02:55:19.000I'll never say there's no one should ever take SSRIs, because I don't know if he would have bounced back.
02:55:24.000But he did bounce back, and then he got himself off of them and then he got healthy.
02:55:29.000And this is, you know, with a lot of medications.
02:55:33.000A lot of them are you they have just real benefits for him, and I think Ozempic is one of those.
02:55:37.000I think if you're if you're a morbidly obuse obese person, one of the things that my friend Brigham Bueller, who is the CEO of Ways to Well, and Ways to Well um is is also uh a pharmacy or a compounding pharmacy.
02:55:52.000And he said you can make it so that it doesn't have all the negative effects by making it for the actual size of the person, so you give them the exact dose and combining peptides that's gonna prevent bone loss and muscle loss.
02:56:08.000Like that's possible to healthily slow the process down, stop the overeating, get the inflammation in check, get the diet in check.
02:56:19.000But it's gotta be done like systemically.
02:56:21.000And they want you to do it with like a certain amount of exercise per week and they want you to eat vegetables and meat and just healthy stuff only.
02:56:30.000Throw out all the bullshit and let's try to get this train back on track.
02:56:35.000Yeah, it reminds me of that PK Dick story.
02:56:38.000Did you ha uh what's what was that called?
02:56:40.000The three stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.
02:56:43.000It's about competition between an in uh an extra stellar, intrastellar psychedelic versus a terrestrial psychedelic.
02:56:52.000Which company was going to be able to sell the psychedelic or the world view of choice.
02:56:59.000You know, the one that came fr from the earth uh g got people into um Perky Paddy's world where everybody was this big and they all lived in this house together and did stuff, like but they went to the beach and had barbecues and things.
02:57:17.000Yeah, that was the terrestrial psychedelic that was competing against an intra stellar psychedelic.
02:58:18.000Well, I'm glad because uh look without you the the understanding of what that experience is would be greatly diminished in popular culture.
02:58:28.000I don't think people would really understand what it is if it wasn't for that book.
02:58:33.000And I know you gotta really stick your neck out to try to make something like that.
02:58:37.000And it's bizarre because it is a thing, it's a real thing.
02:58:41.000And you should know about real things.
02:58:43.000You should know about real things that have probably been in human use for thousands and thousands of years and s hidden from you by Nixon.
02:58:54.000Yeah, the thing I like so much about DMT is that it's endogenous.
02:59:34.000So apparently it's a red laser, and if you're tripping on DMT and you look down or below, so you could either look from uh below it, look up or from above it, look down, right?
03:00:10.000Like that that maybe there is some sort of magical quality to this experience.
03:00:16.000Some sort of uh very difficult to grasp aspect of reality that we ignore that's spiritual or mystical or there's something going on outside of just normal physical reality.
03:00:33.000Uh well I think things wouldn't be this way uh otherwise.
03:00:42.000And you know, cause and effect goes a certain way.
03:03:06.000Not that I don't believe him, but when a guy writes fantastical fiction for a living and then has a fantastic fantastical fictional experience that actually happens to him that becomes his his thing.
03:03:19.000It's like Arsenio Hall said, things that make you go, hmm.
03:03:24.000I'm not saying that he it didn't actually happen to him because his his experience it would be ironic if it did, because then nobody would believe him because he writes fiction, right?
03:03:32.000But his experiences mirror a lot of the experiences from the John Mack book.
03:03:38.000You know, um did you read that book, Abduction?
03:03:57.000Well, they were, and you know, John Mack, the psychiatrist from Harvard or Cambridge.
03:04:03.000Uh yeah, we talked about the similarities between his s uh subjects reports and our DMT volunteers.
03:04:13.000He thought we uh had some you know come across a technology that would make contact at least the experience of contact, you know, st uh something that could be studied scientifically.