The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2387 - Gregg Braden

00:00:03.000 The Joe Logan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:11.000 We just missed the fabulous conversation about your hair.

00:00:16.000 I would not wear headsets if I are we recording right now?

00:00:19.000 Yeah, we're we're going now.

00:00:20.000 So did you ever know Wayne Dyer?

00:00:22.000 No, I didn't know Wayne Dyer.

00:00:23.000 Do we do we have Wayne Dyer on the podcast ever?

00:00:26.000 Like way, way, way, way, way back in the day.

00:00:30.000 I was uh I was on a cruise with we had the same publisher, Hayhouse is our publisher, and we were on a cruise just off Australia.

00:00:38.000 Of course, the sun's out there, and Wayne came out and he's got a very shiny head.

00:00:42.000 He said, uh Greg Braden.

00:00:44.000 I said, Yeah.

00:00:44.000 He says, You see this?

00:00:46.000 And I said, Yeah. 0.96

00:00:47.000 He said, This is a solar panel for a sex machine. 0.99

00:00:50.000 Okay. 0.89

00:00:51.000 And I I couldn't I couldn't match that, you know.

00:00:53.000 So I said, I said, Well, you see this?

00:00:56.000 I said, These are every one of these, every one of these hairs is a highly advanced, finely tuned antenna to higher dimensional state spaces of information.

00:01:06.000 And so that was our joke about hair and and no hair. 0.98

00:01:09.000 Imagine if like that's what made you enlightened how much hair you had, and when it started to fall out, you got dumber. 0.86

00:01:15.000 Like I said, they they every decade of my life they're saying if you have it this decade, you can keep it. 0.70

00:01:20.000 So when I hit my 70s, they said that's interesting.

00:01:22.000 You got this this so you can probably keep it.

00:01:24.000 So yeah.

00:01:25.000 If you have minoxidal, like if you got like really good at it today, and there's a bunch of different uh DHT inhibitors that are topical that they can use.

00:01:32.000 My friend Derek from Derek More Plates More Dates, it's a website.

00:01:36.000 He's got a bunch of like protocols and how to save your hair.

00:01:40.000 So people want to save their hair.

00:01:42.000 Um but we were talking about Art Bell when we came in here because there's a photograph of art on the wall that like was one of the most important things for me to put up.

00:01:49.000 Like we talked about it, and Jamie and I were like, oh, you gotta get it, we gotta get a metal picture of Art Bell.

00:01:54.000 Because that was the guy, man.

00:01:56.000 When I was driving home from the comedy store at like one o'clock in the morning, and I was listening to AM radio coast to coast with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.

00:02:05.000 It was my favorite.

00:02:07.000 This is like all for me was kind of pre-internet, too.

00:02:10.000 Like maybe you know, the internet existed, but it wasn't the thing that it is now.

00:02:15.000 There was no podcasts.

00:02:16.000 No, but you know, the crazy thing is the stuff that was on that program that was all fringe is what everybody's talking about every day.

00:02:23.000 Totally mainstream at lunch at lunch right now.

00:02:25.000 Area 51, Bob Lazar, totally mainstream.

00:02:29.000 You know, he was so kind to me.

00:02:31.000 He had me on this program before I had my first book.

00:02:33.000 I self-published my first two books, and I was doing talks uh all over up and down the the West Coast, uh up in the Vancouver, and he had heard somebody in his shop had been the one of those talks, and he invited me on.

00:02:46.000 No book.

00:02:47.000 And uh and then he had me on a number of times after that.

00:02:50.000 And so I I've I was very honored to be on there.

00:02:54.000 And you know, we talked about everything, man.

00:02:56.000 He could uh that was the thing.

00:02:57.000 You could talk about anything, anything you wanted to do. 0.93

00:03:00.000 It was also like art was a show where you could get real information, and you could also get complete horseshit.

00:03:09.000 And you had to be able to discern what is what, but art treated everyone with equal respect.

00:03:15.000 Like you could call him up.

00:03:16.000 Art I'm a werewolf.

00:03:17.000 He's like, interesting.

00:03:18.000 Tell me more. 0.99

00:03:20.000 It was never like, bitch, you're not a werewolf. 1.00

00:03:23.000 You're just mentally ill. 1.00

00:03:24.000 You need to get some Prozac or whatever they give you. 1.00

00:03:27.000 Well, you still you still gotta be discerning today.

00:03:29.000 You know, I think I say it's well today, you more so than ever because of AI and because of bots and what's going on.

00:03:37.000 I think it's important to have have an open mind, but not a gaping mind.

00:03:40.000 And uh unfortunate use of terminology, but uh yes, I I agree.

00:03:46.000 Well wholeheartedly.

00:03:47.000 You know, part of the reason for that, and you know this.

00:03:50.000 We we have a global audience.

00:03:52.000 Uh a lot of those people are very hurt, unresolved, hurt, they're right on the edge.

00:03:56.000 They're very fragile personalities.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:04:00.000 And what they hear on the radio can be interpreted in a million different ways, and it's uh you know, I think there's responsibility that comes with saying things.

00:04:09.000 If you're gonna say it, make sure it's accurate.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, and uh your intention, like what are you trying to do?

00:04:15.000 Like uh I'm never trying to hurt someone's feelings.

00:04:18.000 Right.

00:04:18.000 Someone's listening, I'm I want you to have a better life.

00:04:21.000 I want your life to be better.

00:04:22.000 You know, and this is an interesting thing about whether it's bots or whether it's you know an actual human being talking about stuff.

00:04:31.000 The way you approach life um and the way the people around you approach life is very contagious.

00:04:38.000 And if you're doing it in a very positive and a loving way and a friendly way, in a communal way, that's contagious.

00:04:45.000 It's really good.

00:04:46.000 It's good for everybody. 0.98

00:04:47.000 But if you're bitter and shitty, it's bad for everybody. 0.76

00:04:51.000 What art was was like very friendly and and you know, and fascinated by all these things, and he was a real pro. 0.89

00:05:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:01.000 It's just like so when I did his show, it was like one of the highlights of my life.

00:05:05.000 And I I got to do the internet version.

00:05:06.000 I never got to do the radio version.

00:05:09.000 So he was on the internet at the time at a time.

00:05:11.000 I don't think he was maybe he was on some radio stations, but mostly I think it was an internet thing.

00:05:15.000 But I was like, yes, I'm on with our bells.

00:05:18.000 Mine was all by phone.

00:05:18.000 It was all landlines.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, I was at my phone too.

00:05:21.000 Yeah, I did it from my house on the internet, you know.

00:05:24.000 I think I did it, you know, with a headset or something, but I did.

00:05:26.000 Well, he paved the way and we're here today.

00:05:29.000 Well, he made interesting subjects.

00:05:31.000 You know, like I remember when they were talking about uh things like the face on Mars.

00:05:36.000 And you're like, what?

00:05:37.000 That sounds so kooky.

00:05:39.000 And then you see pictures, you go, hey man, what is that?

00:05:42.000 Why don't I hear about that in school?

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:44.000 Well, we had Richard Hoagland on night after night after night after night for weeks on end when when that came out.

00:05:49.000 And actually that face on Mars had a lot to do with my my career path, actually.

00:05:55.000 Well, so what is your take on all this?

00:05:57.000 Because one of the things that happened was with the face on Mars is the initial images were very grainy but fascinating.

00:06:05.000 Because it did kind of look like a face, but maybe even more remarkable because sometimes there's faces like in the side of a rock, it looks like a face.

00:06:13.000 More remarkable was the geometric pattern of the base of it.

00:06:18.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 And so I I kind of dismissed that when the second images came out.

00:06:22.000 So this is the original image.

00:06:24.000 This is the original image that freaked everybody out.

00:06:27.000 They were like, oh my God, there's a face on Mars.

00:06:29.000 And then they came up with these upgraded images, and I was like, well, that's not a face.

00:06:34.000 It's just weird shadows, and it's probably just a mountain.

00:06:37.000 But man, that's an odd shape.

00:06:39.000 Or that face has been doctored.

00:06:41.000 It could be true.

00:06:42.000 Yeah.

00:06:42.000 But also, then I looked at it and it was like um that shape is interesting.

00:06:47.000 Like it almost looks unnatural.

00:06:50.000 Then the new images from very close to Cydonia that show a very clear square.

00:06:56.000 This one's nuts.

00:06:57.000 Because this one is somewhere in the neighborhood of between three, it's p plus 300 meters.

00:07:04.000 Like they don't know how much longer it is than 300 meters, but it's the minimum size of this thing is 300 meters across.

00:07:10.000 And it's a full-on square.

00:07:14.000 Right angle, right angle, right it's like, what the hell is that?

00:07:18.000 Well, as as pull that picture up, Jimmy.

00:07:20.000 As a geologist, I was fascinated when Hoagland uh first started talking about what was happening here.

00:07:26.000 What's up, Jamie?

00:07:27.000 Which one?

00:07:28.000 Oh, that one, yeah, yeah.

00:07:29.000 The one that we bring up all the time.

00:07:30.000 Well, I know it's which one though.

00:07:32.000 Oh, it don't matter.

00:07:32.000 Just click on any of them.

00:07:34.000 Some of them are doctored, though.

00:07:35.000 Yeah, the non-doctored one, the one next to it, like they're right there.

00:07:37.000 Look at that.

00:07:38.000 That's cr absolutely crazy.

00:07:40.000 So I don't know if you I'm very familiar with this image.

00:07:43.000 I don't know if you can see with your mind's eye, you're looking the lower left, that's a 90-degree angle.

00:07:49.000 If you can see the rest of the 90-degree angle up at the top and over at the side, if you can trace out that is one massive right there.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, now you can see it.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, the computer is has cleaned it up.

00:07:59.000 Nature does not work in 90 degree angles.

00:08:02.000 You're not going to get wind erosion.

00:08:04.000 Wind is called aolean erosion.

00:08:06.000 Fluvial erosion is water erosion.

00:08:08.000 You're not going to get 90 degree angles from from wind or water.

00:08:12.000 So one of the tenants in archaeology, when you see 90 degree angles, there's an intentionality underlying that that structure.

00:08:19.000 If if it were a one-off, you could say maybe it's a fluke, and it's not.

00:08:23.000 And this is on Mars.

00:08:25.000 Jamie, I don't know if you can do this.

00:08:27.000 Uh through freedom of information, NASA had to release all of the lunar images up through uh the Clementine mission.

00:08:36.000 And they didn't want to do that.

00:08:38.000 And when they did release them, they ended up pixeling out a whole bunch of stuff, which made it look even more obvious than it was. 0.95

00:08:46.000 They're just fucking with us at this point.

00:08:47.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So you gotta say, what is it on on the the lunar surface that we paid for with our tax dollars that we're not supposed to be seeing? 0.97

00:08:54.000 And these were these were uh tower structures.

00:08:58.000 Can you see the Clementine?

00:09:00.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:09:01.000 Are there any undoctored, unblurred versions of it that someone seen them in the back of the office?

00:09:07.000 I haven't seen them in the public domain.

00:09:08.000 But you've seen them privately?

00:09:10.000 No.

00:09:11.000 What I'm saying is what the through freedom information, what have you ever seen the undoctored image?

00:09:16.000 No, what they were forced to release, why in the world would they be pixelating the images that are on there that actually make them look even even more obvious than they are?

00:09:26.000 So what we're seeing, what Hoaglin was talking about, what you're seeing on Mars is not happening in the vacuum.

00:09:31.000 It's happening, we're seeing the same thing on the lunar surface to varying degrees.

00:09:36.000 On Mars, there were three-sided, four-sided, five-sided pyramids.

00:09:39.000 Well, the one in the upper right-hand corner.

00:09:41.000 That's odd.

00:09:43.000 I think it's the same thing.

00:09:45.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, that's very odd.

00:09:47.000 So here's here's the kicker.

00:09:49.000 We're sending the Viking probes, Viking one, Viking II in the 70s, went to Mars.

00:09:55.000 19,000 images were captured from the orbiting uh part of the mission.

00:10:01.000 The other craft landed on the surface, and I I can just imagine being on the surface seeing this.

00:10:07.000 It's it's like this this thing is like a spider comes down the cloud of dust and this little tube pops up and some sticky dental floss stuff shoots out, and then they reel it in to collect dirt and microbes and they reeled into broth because they're looking for evidence of life on Mars and it's happening next to massive monuments and geometric structures that are now dated about 50,000 years BP before present.

00:10:35.000 So they're looking for microbes and signs of life next to the most massive signs of life that you could imagine.

00:10:41.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:10:42.000 These uh you said they're dated to 50,000 B. C. These structures.

00:10:45.000 BP.

00:10:46.000 BP BP before present.

00:10:48.000 So how do they know that?

00:10:50.000 Those were uh when the Sidonia mission, these that's the Sidonia scientists are are estimating 50 50,000 years, and the same with the the lunar.

00:11:00.000 I mean I'm hesitant.

00:11:02.000 But the Sidonian how do they estimate that?

00:11:04.000 If they're using probes from that farm.

00:11:09.000 It's relative dating.

00:11:10.000 You know, they're looking at strata and things like that.

00:11:13.000 And from the lunar sites, you know, they brought back samples.

00:11:17.000 And I'm hesitating because I don't know how deep you want to go with all this, but these are deep as you want.

00:11:22.000 Well, the you know, the samples that came back from the lunar surface had traces of um of metals that do not occur nationally in ma in nature, naturally in nature.

00:11:31.000 They are the product of um, you know, advanced uh machinery.

00:11:38.000 Which what metals are these?

00:11:39.000 These were metals that came back when they they brought back from the Apollo mission.

00:11:44.000 Uh and I think they brought back oh I don't even remember the names.

00:11:49.000 That's one Jimmy can look up, what the metals were that came back, and they don't know where those those metals are.

00:11:54.000 So is this metals from Cydonia or is this metals from the moon?

00:11:57.000 This is from the lunar the lunar sites and the crater.

00:12:00.000 So the structures on the moon?

00:12:02.000 How old they they think they're the same age as the structure of the 50,000.

00:12:05.000 They're estimating 50,000 BP.

00:12:08.000 You know, there's a race for the moon right now.

00:12:11.000 And I'm fascinated by this.

00:12:13.000 You know, there was a time only two nations on Earth had the money and the technology to to go to the moon.

00:12:21.000 It was a former Soviet Union and former United States, because neither one's the same country anymore.

00:12:27.000 And uh both those countries have been so broke, they haven't been able to do it.

00:12:32.000 India and China are now sending the probes to the moon.

00:12:36.000 We were going to the moon during the Cold War.

00:12:39.000 And it was uh it was a crazy time.

00:12:40.000 It was actually a very civilized war.

00:12:42.000 I mean, the governments were at war, but the scientists were still cooperating.

00:12:47.000 And there was an agreement that we would not share publicly what was found on the lunar surface.

00:12:53.000 And Russia did the same thing.

00:12:55.000 China was never part of that agreement.

00:12:57.000 So China has said when they land, they're going to televise live what they find on the lunar surface to the people of the Earth.

00:13:07.000 My sense, Joe, and this is this will lead into a whole conversation we're going to have here.

00:13:12.000 I think they'll find uh the archaeological structures that we know are there that we've seen in the photographs.

00:13:19.000 The inscriptions on those on those structures, we're going to be able to read.

00:13:24.000 Because there's a a thinking that those structures are from E.T.s From another time, but the evidence suggests they're from us, from a time in our past, a cycle of civilization where we did great and beautiful things by working together until we destroyed one another through war and that we're repeating that cycle again.

00:13:46.000 So when they send it to that, like drawing a lot of conclusions.

00:13:49.000 Isn't there other possibilities for what happened to that?

00:13:51.000 Well, here's this is where I'm going with this.

00:13:53.000 When they when they see what's on those temple walls, they're they're going to see inscriptions in languages that we already recognize.

00:13:59.000 And that will be the smoking gun, like CUNY's. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Because this is what the the researchers who are working on these projects right now, and they're combining this with so many of what the ancient texts have always told us.

00:14:23.000 And this is where it gets into a really kind of a sticky conversation because it depends on how you know people interpret these things.

00:14:34.000 I'm excited for this reason.

00:14:36.000 This is obviously no ordinary time in the history of our world, and they're pushing for war.

00:14:42.000 We're on the verge of global war.

00:14:44.000 What would it mean if we found on the surface, on the lunar surface, evidence of us, humans from another time, uh leaving a message in our own languages, cuneiform, Sanskrit, uh those kinds of things.

00:15:00.000 It could be one of the most unifying factors, right when we're on on the precipice of war.

00:15:06.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:15:06.000 I completely agree, but we have to make a lot of leaps in order for that to be real.

00:15:11.000 Like we haven't seen any writing.

00:15:12.000 So why would they assume that there's a bunch of different kinds of writing in different languages?

00:15:17.000 Um who's that?

00:15:20.000 Well, when our space program.

00:15:24.000 I think uh you've had guests on that have talked about this in the past, I think.

00:15:27.000 When our space program was active, uh there were broadcasts from the lunar surface that were cut off, and astronauts had seen things that they were not allowed to see and not allowed to share.

00:15:42.000 That's what I heard.

00:15:43.000 It sounds fun.

00:15:45.000 It sounds really fun.

00:15:45.000 I want to believe that.

00:15:46.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:15:46.000 Well, and some of them are leaving this world now, and on their you know, on their deathbed, they're they can't believe that this hasn't been made made public already.

00:15:56.000 So there have been, you know, recordings and videos and things, and I I think they're authentic.

00:16:01.000 Right.

00:16:01.000 But this does it, there's like we haven't got boots on the ground at Sidonia, right?

00:16:05.000 So not Sidonia's Mars.

00:16:08.000 Trevor Burrus, well, uh exactly.

00:16:09.000 So how are they seeing these inscriptions?

00:16:11.000 Are you saying these inscriptions are on the moon?

00:16:13.000 Yeah, lunar surface.

00:16:14.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:15.000 But I was confused.

00:16:16.000 I was confused.

00:16:17.000 So these astronauts are saying that on the surface of the moon, they saw writing.

00:16:22.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

00:16:23.000 They've seen structures.

00:16:24.000 Structures.

00:16:25.000 Massive structures.

00:16:26.000 But what about the writing there?

00:16:28.000 They uh there were reports that they had seen the writing, but we can't verify those.

00:16:37.000 We can't verify those.

00:16:38.000 Okay.

00:16:38.000 So this is just uh pothead talk.

00:16:42.000 Well, you know, yes, and kind of a little bit, a little bit, because we d if there's no evidence at all that it's not even an interview with a guy who talks about when I was on the moon, I saw writing.

00:16:54.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:16:54.000 Well, then this is where you start going into the ancient texts and the traditions that are relating our our relationship to intelligences from from beyond this world.

00:17:07.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:17:08.000 Yes, there's a lot of that.

00:17:08.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:17:09.000 And there's there's a lot of that.

00:17:10.000 There's a lot of that in various religions, too.

00:17:12.000 It's r it's very fascinating.

00:17:13.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:17:13.000 Well, this is this is what I think is important.

00:17:15.000 It is in religions, but I think you can break out their historical text and there's religious text.

00:17:20.000 So if you're reading the Bible, there's religion and history in the Bible.

00:17:25.000 If you're looking at Sumerian, uh Akkadian, um Babylonian text from the Mesopotamian era, they're telling similar stories, and and you've had guests on talking about this where the stories are similar, but they're the religion uh is not part of that.

00:17:43.000 And so uh I think what we're doing, we're kind of beating around the bush uh to a deeper conversation here, and that's why I've hesitated a couple of times, because I I just don't want us to you know to um to get so far down one side that oh don't worry about that.

00:17:59.000 That's what this show is all about.

00:18:00.000 Okay.

00:18:05.000 Because people are always in the middle of talking about one thing and they pivot.

00:18:08.000 It doesn't matter.

00:18:09.000 Well, I think this is all tied into disclosure.

00:18:11.000 And what's happening, the reluctance to have the full disclosure.

00:18:14.000 Right.

00:18:14.000 We've talked about that multiple times.

00:18:17.000 Were you in that documentary, The Age of Disclosure?

00:18:21.000 No.

00:18:22.000 You've been in a lot of documentaries.

00:18:24.000 I have been in the line.

00:18:25.000 I've been in the line.

00:18:26.000 And a lot of what I said was left on the cutting room floor.

00:18:29.000 Always.

00:18:30.000 And there's a couple of reasons for that.

00:18:32.000 One thing I learned, Joe, and maybe you've learned this as well.

00:18:35.000 If you're going to be in the documentary, ask if you are on the front end of the filming or the back end of the filming.

00:18:42.000 What does that mean?

00:18:42.000 Here's the reason.

00:18:43.000 Are you one of the early interviews or are you one of the later interviews?

00:18:46.000 Okay.

00:18:46.000 And here's the reason.

00:18:48.000 They'll develop an arc in a storyline.

00:18:51.000 And if you're early on, they're going to ask you questions to support that arc in that storyline.

00:18:57.000 Five interviews down, somebody's going to come on and they're going to introduce something and and the producer is going to say, oh, there's a new arc and new storyline, and now everything that you interviewed for may not be relevant in that conversation anymore.

00:19:10.000 So I don't think you can control that.

00:19:14.000 So you can ask.

00:19:15.000 You just ask.

00:19:16.000 You say, where am I in the in the shooting process?

00:19:18.000 And if if you're the first one, say you know, maybe come back and interview me.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

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00:20:32.000 So a little bit later on.

00:20:34.000 Is it your belief that there was a civilization on Mars that were us and that we migrated to Earth and then eventually populated Earth?

00:20:43.000 Is that what you're thinking?

00:20:45.000 Or that we coexisted in both places.

00:20:49.000 I think we did.

00:20:51.000 And it sounds so crazy to say.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:56.000 It does.

00:20:57.000 Well, you you probably travel in different circles.

00:21:00.000 But I mean to the rational rational people.

00:21:02.000 Most people hear that and they go, what there were people on Mars?

00:21:04.000 But as time goes on and more and more discoveries we we find out just about the structures that are on Earth and how old they might be.

00:21:13.000 And the actual age of Homo sapiens, like how old we might actually be.

00:21:18.000 Where a lot of like they found that skull in China the other day that was uh they just have you seen this?

00:21:22.000 It's a million-year-old Homo sapien skull, but apparently there's some debate about it.

00:21:28.000 It's going they're going back and forth.

00:21:29.000 But at the very least, it's in the conversation of human beings possibly have existed, at least in this form for a million years.

00:21:37.000 Which is kind of nuts.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 Oh, the founder was published the other day.

00:21:43.000 They found it in 1990.

00:21:44.000 What?

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:46.000 What I found the other day?

00:21:47.000 No.

00:21:47.000 I've read it on the beach.

00:21:48.000 I know.

00:21:49.000 I was going through the story yesterday.

00:21:50.000 What happened was some team reconstructed parts of that skull with new methods that are now available.

00:21:58.000 And they suggest that it could say that it was.

00:22:01.000 I think it was actually one of those we've talked about, the big head, the longie. 0.55

00:22:04.000 Oh, right.

00:22:05.000 It's one of those as well.

00:22:06.000 Yeah, one of the long elongated.

00:22:10.000 Was it Homo sapiens?

00:22:11.000 Yeah.

00:22:12.000 Well, they're the branch from the Denisovan just thing.

00:22:14.000 So this is the thing.

00:22:16.000 What is it called?

00:22:20.000 I get confused.

00:22:21.000 I just saw I remember Longie was the thing that they were saying this.

00:22:24.000 Julien's.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:25.000 Okay, that is the other one.

00:22:26.000 That's it. 0.62

00:22:26.000 That's the big-headed one. 0.62

00:22:29.000 Anyway, point being.

00:22:30.000 I'm skeptical about those because they find one fragment and there's a lot of in interpretation that's going on there.

00:22:36.000 The consensus has been for a long time that we we appeared.

00:22:42.000 Uh I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm a degree geologist, I believe in evolution, evolution is a fact.

00:22:48.000 I've seen it in a fossil record for plants, animals, insects.

00:22:52.000 Darwin's theory of evolution breaks down when it comes to humans.

00:22:55.000 And it breaks down for this reason.

00:22:58.000 We now can do what used to sound like science fiction.

00:23:02.000 If you ever saw the the first Jurassic Park where they pulled the DNA out of the fossilized remains of ancient forms of life.

00:23:10.000 In the movie they brought them back to life.

00:23:12.000 To the best of my knowledge, we haven't done that.

00:23:14.000 What we have done is we can extract that DNA from the bone marrow of fossilized remains of beings that we used to believe were our ancestors.

00:23:24.000 And what's happening is, and if this is a mind blower, we know that we didn't descend from Neanderthal.

00:23:29.000 We shared the earth with them, certainly, and and some people have some Neanderthal DNA because of that, but we did not descend from them, and we didn't descend from many of the other forms that you see on those traditional trees.

00:23:42.000 You know, you've got modern humans here and all these all these lines connecting, but if you look close at the lines, most of them are broken lines, Joe, because there's no solid evidence.

00:23:51.000 It's called inferred or speculative relationships.

00:23:56.000 I've got I've I've got a picture of it here if we want to see that.

00:23:59.000 But what they're showing is that we showed up about 200,000 years ago.

00:24:07.000 Now there's a little evidence that may have been back as as far as 300,000.

00:24:12.000 But the the kicker is that we can now look at the DNA and reverse engineer it and say, what did it take to get where we are?

00:24:20.000 And what scientists are now calling the the smoking gun, and there's still a lot of controversy around this, is uh human chromosome number two.

00:24:29.000 Human chromosome number two is the second largest chromosome in in every cell of the body.

00:24:34.000 It's got about twelve hundred or so genes in that chromosome, and just one of them, uh gene TBR number one, is responsible for most of the brain that we have for our neocortex.

00:24:47.000 So our humanness, our empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, our cognitive abilities, uh the mirror neurons, all these kinds of things are because of that one gene.

00:24:58.000 Well, where this gets really interesting is where did chromosome two come from?

00:25:03.000 And scientists have the answer, but they don't like the answer.

00:25:08.000 Because uh chromosome II is the product of of a fusion.

00:25:12.000 Uh proceedings from National Academy of Sciences, the volume Genetics says this very clearly.

00:25:18.000 We conclude that the origin of human chromosome II uh is the product of an ancestral fusion of telomere-to-telomere fusion of two pre-existing chromosomes.

00:25:32.000 That does not happen in nature.

00:25:33.000 It can't happen in nature.

00:25:35.000 So here's here's what they're saying.

00:25:37.000 You got two fully, two fully form, fully functional chromosomes, and uh on the end are the the telomeres uh that protect those chromosomes when the cells divide.

00:25:50.000 And that's why they're on the end.

00:25:53.000 They take the hit.

00:25:53.000 It's a trauma in a cell when those when those chromosomes are pulled apart and some of the DNA doesn't make it.

00:26:01.000 So nature puts telomeres on the end to take the hit, so the good DNA remains intact, and that's why it's on the ends.

00:26:08.000 Human chromosome two, those telomeres are right in the middle of the chromosome where they shouldn't be, because those chromosomes were fused together about uh uh 200,000 years ago when we appeared, and if that was the only one, you could say, well, maybe it's a fluke.

00:26:26.000 Chromosome number seven.

00:26:28.000 I'm a musician when I I'm not doing what I'm doing now, long before I was uh a researcher.

00:26:33.000 And one of the things I always used to to wonder about, you know, we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees, but you don't hear chimpanzees sing.

00:26:43.000 You know, you're never gonna hear chimpanzee sing leads up one stairway to heaven.

00:26:47.000 And you ask, well, why not?

00:26:49.000 I mean, 98% of the DNA is we share with them, but it's because of of chromosome seven.

00:26:56.000 And for about 175 million years, this chromosome was stable and all primates, all of them, orangutan, gorilla, chimps, all the primates.

00:27:06.000 All of a sudden, there's this little this little switch of a couple of genes that connected our tongue and our brain and our jaw, and we can sing and we can have complex speech like no other form of life.

00:27:20.000 It happened 200,000 years ago.

00:27:22.000 What are the odds of that happening when chromosome 2 is fusing?

00:27:27.000 So I've worked with scientists uh my whole life, both in academia and in uh in the corporations.

00:27:35.000 I was a problem solver for Fortune 500 companies uh through the late 70s, 80s, and 90s.

00:27:43.000 And one of the things I've seen about scientists is fascinating, is that there is one way of thinking that says we take all the evidence and we force it into a pre-existing model, like all the new discoveries, trying to force that into Darwin's theory of evolution, or we allow the new evidence to lead to the story that it tells.

00:28:07.000 And this is where science is stuck right now, because the old theory, Darwin's theory of evolution is in trouble, and it's the DNA is the reason it's in trouble.

00:28:16.000 It's no longer superficial or you know, fossil evidence.

00:28:20.000 I mean, the DNA is telling the story.

00:28:22.000 Uh and the new story suggests at the very least uh the a scientist has to say there's been some kind of intelligent intervention.

00:28:31.000 And this is where science gets stuck, because science is it's not equipped to talk about any kind of an intelligent intervention.

00:28:39.000 But that ties in to everything that's happening now, you know, if we're going to talk about ancient civilizations or if we're going to talk about we've been here before, are we going to talk about what it is that is the disclosure, all of those kinds of things.

00:28:56.000 So science is kind of at the crossroads right now.

00:29:01.000 There is something called the standard model, and that applies to evolution, and what the evidence suggests is that we are the product of an intelligent and an intentional act.

00:29:11.000 Who or what that is, that's where it gets it it can get sticky.

00:29:17.000 Uh the universe.

00:29:19.000 We've had physicists on here, and really good physicists, that and some of them are not aware of some of the new information that's come out now.

00:29:27.000 But when I was in school back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, I was taught that the universe is dead, inert, just cold, uh, and we happen to be lucky biology.

00:29:39.000 You know, that's that's kind of what they used to teach.

00:29:42.000 Now, physicists are suggesting the universe is alive, it is intelligent, and it's conscious.

00:29:48.000 And one of the reasons for this, and you can go to the NASA website and you can you can look at some of these images, the uh James Webb Space Telescope, they're showing galaxies that are in proximity of something that is dangerous to them, like an exploding, you know, whatever.

00:30:08.000 And what they'll do is they'll create jets from the center, uh both directions, these jets that actually move them out of the way. 0.98

00:30:16.000 And I talk about, I've got a new book, and I talk about that in the new book.

00:30:20.000 Uh so it's documented in the book.

00:30:22.000 They actually move them to uh a safer place.

00:30:26.000 And you say, well, maybe that's a fluke, it's a one-off, and now that they have found that.

00:30:31.000 They found it happens time and time again.

00:30:34.000 So space itself is conscious in some form.

00:30:37.000 Conscious, okay, conscious and intelligent, and those are two very different things.

00:30:42.000 But that is a very different story.

00:30:44.000 If if our universe is alive and intelligent and conscious, and we're the product of an intentional act, we solve our problems, Joe, and we build our world based on the way we've been taught to think about ourselves.

00:30:58.000 We use our resources.

00:31:00.000 We um we apply our technology based on the way we've been taught to think about ourselves.

00:31:06.000 And we have been taught that we are a flawed form of life, that uh we are powerless victims of the world around us, and because of that, this is going to lead into this whole conversation.

00:31:20.000 Because of that, we need a savior.

00:31:22.000 And that savior is being touted as technology.

00:31:26.000 So now we are living at this time where we're being Encouraged, indoctrinated, coerced, mandated sometimes to embrace the technology outside of our bodies because we have been conditioned to believe that we are a broken, flawed form of life.

00:31:46.000 And you're seeing this play out in the AI conversation.

00:31:49.000 You're seeing it play out in um what's called the transhuman movement, the the intentional movement to replace our humanness with computer chips in the brain, chemicals in the blood, RFID chips under the skin. 0.60

00:32:04.000 And it's all playing out right now, Joe.

00:32:06.000 I mean, this this can't go on for you know another twenty years because it's moving too fast.

00:32:13.000 This is the generation, right? 0.99

00:32:15.000 And this I'm very passionate about this.

00:32:16.000 The experts are saying unless we change our trajectory right now, we very probably are the last generation of pure humans that the world will ever know that by 2032, when you go to the supermarket or go to the airport, the people you talk to will be some hybrid, maybe some more and some less, but will have some kind of technology embedded into their into their bodies.

00:32:43.000 I was on a panel recently, and I was with a group of scientists, and they said, well, what's wrong with that?

00:32:49.000 You know, isn't that the next step?

00:32:51.000 Isn't that our our natural step and and uh and our evolution?

00:32:55.000 And I said, No, it is not, and here's the reason.

00:32:59.000 When we replace our natural biology with synthetics, our natural abilities begin to atrophy.

00:33:08.000 Cells will let me just give a perfect example.

00:33:12.000 Um we used to be taught when I was in school, I was taught that we're we're born into this world with a fixed number of brain cells.

00:33:21.000 And every every beer I drink in college.

00:33:23.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:33:24.000 All right, you're gonna I'm gonna lose some brain cells.

00:33:26.000 Well, what I'm gonna say next is not a reason to drink the beer.

00:33:29.000 But what they found, there's a part of the human brain, it's the hippocampus that is producing new brain cells until the last breath we take on this this earth.

00:33:38.000 But there's a catch.

00:33:40.000 And the catch tells the story.

00:33:42.000 If we do not use those new brain cells in a meaningful way within about seven to ten days, the body says, Oh, you didn't use it, so you must not need it, and those cells will atrophy and die.

00:33:56.000 That makes sense because I always feel dumber when I come back from vacation.

00:34:01.000 Are you drinking beer on the on vacation? 0.51

00:34:03.000 Not this time.

00:34:04.000 No, but sometimes, yeah.

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00:35:20.000 But that principle, so it it's called use it or lose it.

00:35:24.000 We've all heard that.

00:35:25.000 That principle applies to every system in the human body.

00:35:28.000 It applies to our cognitive abilities, to our reproductive system.

00:35:32.000 And when we replace our natural biology with these synthetics, this is exactly what's happening.

00:35:39.000 And it's we've been doing this long enough.

00:35:41.000 Virtual reality goggles, for example.

00:35:43.000 They've been around long enough.

00:35:45.000 Psychology magazine has published article after article.

00:35:48.000 If you take young kids with malleable brains, parents are busy, they want to entertain them.

00:35:54.000 So they sit them on the floor, put a virtual VR goggle on three or four hours a day, and say, hey, So here's the kid.

00:36:01.000 They're just sitting there like this.

00:36:03.000 And they're seeing images that they would never see in their backyard and colors and sounds and situations.

00:36:11.000 But here's the thing.

00:36:13.000 It's all being done for them.

00:36:15.000 They are not using their imagination like you and I did when we were kids.

00:36:19.000 They're not using their imagination.

00:36:21.000 So now what's happening is there are parts of their brain that are atrophying.

00:36:26.000 So they are uh diminished cognitive abilities, diminish language skills, diminished communication skills.

00:36:32.000 But listen to this.

00:36:33.000 The visual cortex, which is what they're using to watch everything, is enlarged in the brain.

00:36:40.000 The visual cortex gets bigger because that's what can you exercise.

00:36:45.000 That's what they're doing.

00:36:46.000 Now because of epigenetics, all of that can be reversed.

00:36:50.000 When the kids are put into a healthy environment, go outside and play with your friends, you know, they're young enough that they can reverse that.

00:36:57.000 Right.

00:36:57.000 But I spent a lot of time with shamans in um in the Yucatan and in um in Peru, Costa Rica, places like that.

00:37:06.000 And they've they found the same thing.

00:37:08.000 Uh the shamans that maybe do, you know, 5,000 ayahuasca journeys because they're leading groups, and every time the group does it, they do it.

00:37:18.000 So, you know, they're doing that.

00:37:20.000 Their visual cortexes are enlarged, but their other abilities are diminished.

00:37:26.000 Now, if you're a shaman in the jungle, maybe that's no big deal.

00:37:29.000 But if you're a software engineer in Silicon Valley writing code for nuclear triggers, and on the weekends, you know, this is what you're doing every weekend chronically, uh, it could be a problem.

00:37:42.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:37:42.000 Have they done studies on that where they've shown the declined ability or cognitive function due to psychedelic use?

00:37:49.000 Uh yes.

00:37:50.000 They have.

00:37:50.000 Um, but any specific psychedelics?

00:37:53.000 Ayahuasca was one, and and I hesitate because there are different different kinds of ayahuasca, different uh it's called a brew, different kinds of brew.

00:38:02.000 So is the idea that people are overdoing it, they're doing it too much.

00:38:05.000 Well, I want to be clear about this.

00:38:07.000 One off, I don't think there's any any problem if it's done therapeutically.

00:38:11.000 And I'll give you a perfect example.

00:38:13.000 I I was speaking at a facility.

00:38:15.000 I was invited as a guest speaker to go with a cohort uh through seven-day programs.

00:38:22.000 And part of that program was ayahuasca, part of it was breath work, part of it was body work, part of it was natural uh raw food, uh, you know, the the whole gamut.

00:38:33.000 And there was a woman and her husband who came, and they were both healthy, they couldn't have a baby, they couldn't conceive.

00:38:41.000 Her eggs were good, his sperm was good, the doctors couldn't figure it out.

00:38:45.000 And they said there's there's something else going on.

00:38:48.000 So they came to to this program, and the woman, and one one time, she had uh a plant medicine experience, and in that experience, a being came to her and reached in and pulled her heart out, and it was all black and had stuff all over it, and and the being cleaned it off and put it back in, did the same thing with the womb.

00:39:11.000 And she had had she'd been traumatized as a child, had been abused, uh had not resolved that, apparently, uh, you know, on a deep emotional level.

00:39:21.000 And so there was a part of her that felt that she wasn't worthy to conceive, and it was being it was shown up that way, and in her plant medicine experience, this is what worked for her, and they were they conceived shortly after I think they conceived that week while they were there when they they did the numbers backwards.

00:39:39.000 Now, as a scientist, can you prove that?

00:39:42.000 Or you can say there's a high correlation between the time that an individual has an experience like that and when you know when they successfully conceive.

00:39:51.000 But that's a one-off.

00:39:52.000 And I I don't that therapeutically I don't think there's anything it's it's not gonna be harmful one-off.

00:39:57.000 It's the chronic use for recreation.

00:40:00.000 That's where we get into the Trevor Burrus.

00:40:01.000 Well, it seems to me the people that uh I have encountered that use it maybe a little bit too much, uh they seem to have uh a loss of a perception of how other people see them.

00:40:14.000 They they they get slippery, like the world gets slippery.

00:40:18.000 They they act weird and they don't know they're acting weird, and it seems like there's like a a a piece of the interface has been damaged.

00:40:28.000 If that makes any sense.

00:40:29.000 Aaron Powell It makes total sense.

00:40:30.000 And uh I knew no matter where we go in this conversation to start with, it's gonna bring us back to to the same to the same place.

00:40:38.000 And I can show you exactly where that slipperiness comes from in just a moment.

00:40:42.000 Okay.

00:40:42.000 When When we get there.

00:40:44.000 Because I'll say it right now, there's a part of us that doesn't live inside the body, but that the body tunes to, and I'm using that from an engineering perspective, that the body tunes to through the antenna of neurons and DNA.

00:41:06.000 And this is where it's fascinating conversation.

00:41:11.000 Scientists now, a segment of scientists are beginning to look at the human body as more than soft, sticky, wet, gooey, mushy, you know, cells and skin.

00:41:21.000 Joe, they're actually looking at us from an IT perspective.

00:41:25.000 And this sounds crazy, but they're looking at the human body from the perspective of information passing through and communicating with the world around us.

00:41:38.000 That we are such an advanced form of life.

00:41:42.000 We're not primitive computer chips and wires and chemicals.

00:41:47.000 We're more than that.

00:41:47.000 We're neurons and cell membranes and ion potentials moving across cell walls.

00:41:55.000 And the ability for us to self-regulate what is now being called soft.

00:42:01.000 We are a soft technology.

00:42:04.000 The ability to do that is the core of all the ancient and cherished spiritual traditions in the mystery schools, how we go about regulating this technology.

00:42:18.000 So now let me just break that down a little bit.

00:42:21.000 I mentioned during the Cold War, it was a very civilized war.

00:42:25.000 I remember it was 1980s.

00:42:26.000 I was uh I was working, I was civilian working on contract for the DOD and with a civilian security eye the yellow badge.

00:42:36.000 It wasn't a high, it's secret clearance, it wasn't like top secret or anything.

00:42:40.000 But we had access to research papers that were coming in from the Soviet Union.

00:42:45.000 Even though we were at war on one level, the scientists were still cooperating.

00:42:50.000 And the Soviets were the first that sent these diagrams of a human cell as a circuit diagram.

00:42:58.000 Now, this is a mind-blower.

00:43:00.000 I mean, it wasn't a metaphor.

00:43:02.000 Literally, the every human cell is a gated circuit.

00:43:05.000 It's got an input, an output, it has transistors, the equivalent of transistors and resistors and capacitors.

00:43:12.000 Every cell produces about .07 volts of electrical potential.

00:43:18.000 And you say, well, that's not very much.

00:43:20.000 And I agree, and then you do the math.

00:43:22.000 We've got about 50 trillion cells in the body.

00:43:25.000 50 trillion cells times 0.07 volts, it's about three three and a half trillion volts of electrical potential in the human body.

00:43:34.000 Every cell is the equivalent of uh of a transistor, every cell is the equivalent of a resistor of a capacitor.

00:43:41.000 We're photon emitters, and there's a whole science now about reading the photon emissions from humans.

00:43:46.000 And we're photon receivers, and we store information just like a computer chip.

00:43:51.000 And uh this goes on.

00:43:53.000 Blockchain technology.

00:43:55.000 Our DNA stores information, and the way that it's described is that it is secure, it's transparent, and it's immutable and it's distributed.

00:44:06.000 And those are exactly the terms being used for blockchain technology today, because blockchain technology in the world actually mirrors the technology of human DNA.

00:44:19.000 We have a record in you and I, every human body, we have a record of every successful genetic transaction for our species.

00:44:30.000 It is transparent, it's immutable.

00:44:32.000 If you know how to look for it, it's not hidden.

00:44:34.000 It's secure and it's distributed across all the nodes that we call humans.

00:44:39.000 This goes on and on and on.

00:44:40.000 The the point is that we are the only form of life that can consciously self-regulate all of this technology and apply it to our healing, to our intuition, to our resilience to change, to any of these kinds of things.

00:44:59.000 And the ability to do that is the secret that has been hidden within the mystery schools, within the religions.

00:45:10.000 Uh and it is the reason for everything that you're seeing happening in the world today.

00:45:18.000 There's a concerted effort, Joe, to deny us our ability to express our humanness.

00:45:25.000 And part of that effort is replacing our humanness with technology.

00:45:30.000 So that's a big statement, and I know we'll but that's fairly recent, right?

00:45:34.000 The the effort to stop people from expressing their human humanness.

00:45:39.000 That's not recent.

00:45:41.000 Well, so now we're going to get to the crux of it.

00:45:45.000 So here's and I wasn't sure how we'd get into this.

00:45:50.000 I lost my mom to COVID just a couple of years ago.

00:45:55.000 And right before she died, she looked at me and she said, Greg, the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

00:46:02.000 And I always got the going to hell part, and I never knew exactly what the handbasket.

00:46:06.000 I never understood that phrase.

00:46:08.000 What is that phrase?

00:46:09.000 I I don't know.

00:46:09.000 But I knew what she meant.

00:46:10.000 And what she meant was it the world looked scary to her, Joe, and it does a lot of people.

00:46:16.000 It looked like things were happening for no reason, for no apparent there was no apparent structure.

00:46:23.000 It looked like things are just popping off here and there out of control, it looked crazy, and she's she said, you know, this isn't my world anymore.

00:46:30.000 Well, we are in the middle of a process.

00:46:33.000 The process has a beginning, it has an end, we're in it.

00:46:36.000 The only way out of it is to go through it, and that's why I'm excited to have this conversation with you.

00:46:42.000 Two parallel themes that are playing out on our world right now, and we we can explore both of them.

00:46:51.000 One, there is a concerted effort for the first time in the history of our world to remake the stated intent to remake our world and to remake our bodies.

00:47:03.000 Now we've never had the technology to do that, but we we do now.

00:47:08.000 So that the intent to remake the world and remake our bodies, that's one conversation.

00:47:14.000 The other conversation, the best science of the modern world, is showing us that we're not what we've been told.

00:47:20.000 We're so much more than we've been led to believe, and we're about to give our humanness away to the technology before we even know what it means to be human if we remake our bodies.

00:47:32.000 So this is and this is in this generation.

00:47:34.000 This this cannot drag on for five years, ten years, because all the tech is being pushed on us so quickly.

00:47:43.000 I'm a systems thinker.

00:47:44.000 And rather than get into the weeds of the Democrats and the Republicans and liberals and conservatives, and which is all important, and we can have that conversation, but there's something much, much bigger that's playing out here, and it literally we're in a battle for our humanness.

00:48:02.000 And if we don't claim our humanness, there are powers and forces that will stop at nothing to deny us our humanness.

00:48:12.000 One of the reasons they're denying it is what we just said, because it's through our humanness that we have these extraordinary potentials that empower us as sovereign, critically thinking, self-regulating human beings.

00:48:27.000 And it's very difficult to play out the agendas that are proposed for the world upon populations that are sovereign, critically thinking, self-regulating human beings.

00:48:41.000 So just like Well, the problem seems to be power and control.

00:48:44.000 That's the problem.

00:48:45.000 And the only way to have power and control over people is to limit their ability to express themselves and then keep them at each other's throats.

00:48:53.000 Well, that that is those are two things that are happening all the time with with social media.

00:48:59.000 The people that manage social media are consistently trying to limit the reach of people that have voices or narratives that don't approve, that they don't approve of.

00:49:09.000 And ultimately what you're seeing in other countries is moving to digital IDs.

00:49:16.000 This is just implemented in Europe and in the U.K. You're seeing it in a lot of places where you're gonna have to need that to work and vote and travel.

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 And it'll be even more of a constriction on your ability to express yourself, particularly when you think about the U.K., which has had more than 12,000 arrests for very mild social media posts.

00:49:37.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:49:38.000 I mean, I can't believe it.

00:49:39.000 I I've been watching this stuff play out.

00:49:41.000 Fascinating, and the the fact that the our mainstream media is relatively silent on this is insane.

00:49:48.000 You're seeing a complete total attack on one of the most fundamental principles of the Western world, which is your ability to express yourself.

00:50:00.000 And your ability to call out that you think that the policies that are being implemented in your country are destructive.

00:50:07.000 That that's people have always been able to do that.

00:50:09.000 These people are not calling for violence.

00:50:10.000 They're not they're being arrested for wild things.

00:50:13.000 People are being arrested for liking posts.

00:50:16.000 They're being arrested.

00:50:17.000 Some people were i investigated for viewing posts.

00:50:22.000 12,000 people arrested by the police in the U.K., the same place that just implemented digital ID.

00:50:29.000 I mean, this is an Orwell nightmare coming to life right in front of our face and no one's flinching.

00:50:36.000 No one in America is freaking out about what's happening in the U.K. at all.

00:50:40.000 I mean, you get people online that are kind of freaked out by it, but they're way more freaked out by nonsensical things like whether or not what Jimmy Kimmel said in his monologue was offensive.

00:50:51.000 They'll they'll go to the ends of the earth to fight that.

00:50:55.000 Well, they're programmed.

00:50:56.000 That's the programming.

00:50:56.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:50:57.000 Well, it's easy.

00:50:58.000 That's a that's a simple thing and it doesn't freak you out. 1.00

00:51:01.000 Like if you could get Jimmy Kimmel canceled, fuck him. 0.99

00:51:04.000 If you could do that, like you have some power. 1.00

00:51:06.000 You you have power.

00:51:07.000 But what you really don't.

00:51:09.000 If you look at what's going on like in the UK, what what they're what they're learning over there is that they are in a tyrannical government.

00:51:17.000 And it's slowly but surely it's got it's got its back, it's got the hooks in, it's putting the rear naked choking. 0.90

00:51:23.000 It's got them locked up.

00:51:25.000 And they've got to do something about that.

00:51:26.000 Why do you think that's happening?

00:51:28.000 Why?

00:51:28.000 Because of what we talked about.

00:51:29.000 Power.

00:51:30.000 Power and control and resources.

00:51:32.000 And a very limited amount of people are controlling a n a huge amount of people, a limited amount of people with fantastic access to resources and the ability for the first time in human history where you have individuals that are in charge of companies that are po they can shift the entire narrative of the world.

00:51:51.000 So they're doing it through these tech companies for the first time ever, totally unanticipated, 20 years ago didn't exist.

00:51:58.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:51:58.000 So I'm saying for the first time, the tech allows for the remaking of our humanness.

00:52:04.000 Well, it allows for new methods of control and resource extraction.

00:52:07.000 And we found out that data itself is a fantastic resource and worth billions and billions of dollars.

00:52:12.000 So some of the richest companies that have ever existed, they're data companies now.

00:52:17.000 That that's kind of nuts, and that's like a we miss that.

00:52:20.000 But this is all the same thing that happens with kings and with emperors.

00:52:25.000 It's control. 0.99

00:52:26.000 You gotta limit the people's ability to r rebel, limit their ability to gather resources, keep them at each other's throats ideologically, keep them fighting over the dumbest shit possible, including the color of their skin. 0.99

00:52:40.000 Fight over everything. 0.99

00:52:41.000 What what good gods you believe in, what foods you eat, what fucking computer you use. 0.99

00:52:46.000 Keep them fighting over everything and then get social media bots to continue that fight going all day long. 0.98

00:52:52.000 Meanwhile, closer and closer and closer to total control of the population.

00:52:57.000 Where they're even openly stating it.

00:53:00.000 Hillary Clinton said in an interview, if we lose if uh we can't control social media, we lose control.

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 Like, yeah, you're not supposed to have control over other human beings.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 You're gonna lose the thing you're not supposed to have.

00:53:16.000 An elected official is supposed to be a representative for the people.

00:53:19.000 You're supposed to be a person who's a public servant where you go out and you do this incredibly moral and ethical and beautiful thing where you sacrifice your time for the betterment of your community and your society instead of just a means of extracting fantastic wealth that is totally unprecedented and that shouldn't exist in the first place. 0.94

00:53:41.000 You shouldn't be able to take that fucking job and then immediately go and start working for some Fortune 500 company making billions of dollars.

00:53:49.000 Like that's crazy if you're a a government employee in uh involved in any regulatory fashion and then you go and work for the very industry you were regulating. 0.99

00:53:58.000 Or if you're uh a person who runs for office and you get in office, and then all of a sudden you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars when your salary is 170,000 a year.

00:54:08.000 Like it's It's real obvious what's going on.

00:54:10.000 It's just wealth extraction.

00:54:12.000 And the way that the way to do that is with control.

00:54:15.000 You have to have control over people and you have to be able to censor them.

00:54:19.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:54:19.000 Everything you uh yes, and everything you're talking about is part of a bigger picture.

00:54:24.000 So how deep you want to go?

00:54:25.000 All the way to the bottom.

00:54:28.000 So do you but do you think the bigger picture is natural?

00:54:31.000 Like these are natural patterns that human beings follow when they get power and control over people.

00:54:36.000 Because that does seem to be the case.

00:54:38.000 It's just on a much grander scale now.

00:54:41.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:54:41.000 I think what you're talking about, power and control, lust and greed, there are individuals that have a propensity for those things that are going to fall into those roles very easily.

00:54:53.000 They're pawns.

00:54:54.000 They don't even know that they are supporting something much darker.

00:54:59.000 And what do you think is the source of this much darker thing?

00:55:01.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:55:02.000 Okay.

00:55:02.000 So this will open the door to answering Sedonia and everything else that we've done, so we're not we're not totally beating around the bush, we're going to bring this all together.

00:55:13.000 I wasn't sure how deep you want to go with this, Joe.

00:55:15.000 And what I'll say is I'm going to acknowledge things we're talking about for a lot of people is a very different way of thinking.

00:55:21.000 And it certainly is different from what I was conditioned.

00:55:24.000 I was born and raised in northern Missouri, a rural community.

00:55:29.000 My first degrees in geology and computer science, this is a very different way of thinking, and it's where the evidence is leading us.

00:55:39.000 What the our most ancient and cherished texts, whether you're talking about religion or or not religion.

00:55:48.000 They say that we are born into uh an ancient struggle that began long before we ever got here.

00:55:55.000 Uh and for lack of a better term, and this is where words words are powerful and they carry a lot of baggage.

00:56:02.000 It's it's a struggle between good and evil.

00:56:04.000 All right?

00:56:05.000 We're born into the struggle between good and evil.

00:56:07.000 It's not a religious struggle.

00:56:10.000 When we talk about evil, I think it's important to quantify what that evil is.

00:56:18.000 And to do that, we have to talk about who we are.

00:56:22.000 There's something inside of us, Joe, and this is where science is stuck.

00:56:26.000 This is where science and spirituality come together in a beautiful way, and this is where language may fail me.

00:56:31.000 So I'm going to do my best.

00:56:32.000 There is something inside of us that is so rare and so precious and so ancient and sacred and powerful and beautiful that there are forces that have in history and are currently working to deny us access to this force.

00:56:53.000 The force is the reason for the ancient texts, the spiritual traditions.

00:57:00.000 And there's two ways that we we can have this conversation.

00:57:04.000 You can say we can do it from a biblical perspective and talk about angels and demons.

00:57:09.000 We could do it from a high-tech perspective and talk about an advanced civilization from another world in another time, and you're talking about the same thing.

00:57:18.000 Exactly the same conversation.

00:57:20.000 As to our origin, uh there was an intentional intervention that created us.

00:57:27.000 Biblical traditions are giving us one perspective.

00:57:31.000 The Mesopotamian texts are telling us that we are the product of the blood of uh of a higher form of life.

00:57:40.000 And now the archaeological sites are revealing that those what's reported in those Sumerian texts actually existed.

00:57:48.000 I I was a member back in the 90s.

00:57:51.000 What specifically did they report in those archaeologically?

00:57:54.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

00:57:54.000 The well, let me say I I was a in the nineties I was uh a member of uh an organization called BAR, Biblical Archaeology Review.

00:58:02.000 And the idea is that you you follow the in the instructions in the text and you go someplace and you dig and there is what the text is talking about from 3,000 years ago.

00:58:14.000 So they use that to try to validate the events, not not the religiosity, but the events.

00:58:21.000 In the Mesopotamian texts, when we talk about the king's list, you've had guests on that talked about the the king's list in Sumeria that talks, it literally says when the kingship descended from the heavens to the earth, and then it gives the list of the kings, uh, and then there was another flood, and they evacuated and they came back, and then they created humans.

00:58:45.000 And it actually lines up date-wise with the 200, 250,000 years uh of when we were created, but there's no religion involved.

00:58:54.000 Um two different languages.

00:58:56.000 Are we talking about an advanced civilization and our relationship to them a long time ago?

00:59:03.000 Are we talking about angels and demons from a long time ago?

00:59:05.000 Are we talking about uh beings with uh with wings in the religious tradition, or or when you look at the Sumerian traditions, the kings all had wings as well.

00:59:16.000 Right.

00:59:16.000 But they're telling the same story.

00:59:18.000 And what the story is that we are an intention we're the product of an intentional act, and we were imbued with a force that was greater even than those who created us.

00:59:30.000 And that there has been an effort from that time to deny us that force.

00:59:34.000 Well, how do you know that our force is greater than those that created us?

00:59:37.000 I don't know this.

00:59:38.000 Where are you getting that from?

00:59:39.000 That is from if you're familiar with the Gnostic texts.

00:59:42.000 Uh in the Gnostic texts, the So the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1946-47, the oldest unedited records of the Old Testament, pushed push the date back a thousand years.

00:59:57.000 The in 45 and 46, the oldest records of the New Testament and the texts that were excluded were discovered in the little village along the Nile in Egypt called Nag Hamadi.

01:00:11.000 Uh it's can I just tell it's a crazy story.

01:00:13.000 Sure.

01:00:14.000 There's not much firewood uh along the Nile in Egypt, and there was a woman uh who needed kindling to feed her family, to build the fires to feed her family and heat their home. 0.93

01:00:27.000 And she she told her son, go find some kindling, and he was very resourceful, no trees, so he found an old tomb.

01:00:34.000 And in the tomb were clay vases, and he opened those vases, and there were uh documents that were very dry and brittle and made great kindling.

01:00:43.000 Oh no.

01:00:44.000 And we don't know how many were lost uh before the authorities were noted, but right now they're thirteen bounds.

01:00:51.000 They they cooked a bunch of them? 0.91

01:00:52.000 They burned, they used them for fuel.

01:00:54.000 Oh my god.

01:00:55.000 But but so here but here's here's what's left.

01:00:58.000 What's left, there were uh thirteen bound books representing over fifty texts.

01:01:05.000 They were the oldest records of the New Testament, uh and they were the records that were excluded by the Catholic Church.

01:01:15.000 Is there any images of these books?

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:17.000 Jamie, can you find those?

01:01:18.000 Well I'm not sure what's going on.

01:01:20.000 I brought this for you.

01:01:22.000 All right.

01:01:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:24.000 Yeah.

01:01:24.000 So there's there's the thirteen uh bound texts.

01:01:28.000 So among these were things like the Gospel of Thomas, which is considered the second most heretical book uh in the Nag Hamadi library.

01:01:38.000 There's the Gospel of John, also called the Secret Book of John, also called the Apocryphon of John, which is considered the first most heretical book.

01:01:48.000 Uh there are books from Gnostic women, Thunder Perfect Mind is a book by a Gnostic woman that's in there. 0.98

01:01:56.000 The Gospel of James is in there.

01:01:57.000 So these, and I'll be very clear, uh, if you had Wes Huff here, I know you've had before, and I think he's he's a brilliant scholar, uh, he would say that these are not accepted because of they're not accepted by the church because of dating and because of,

01:02:14.000 you know, the there's a lot of reasons, but there's a lot of new research showing that these are worthy of um of exploring with the same validity that we give to the other texts that were.

01:02:31.000 Were they dated to?

01:02:33.000 The uh they're dated the late first, early second century, somewhere right around there, some of them later.

01:02:39.000 Um the uh the book of John, the the secret book of John, what makes it so exceptional is that he believes, he said that it was dictated to him by uh Jesus of Nazareth after his crucifixion.

01:02:59.000 So it wasn't before, it came after.

01:03:02.000 But the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Thomas is one of the probably the most controversial.

01:03:05.000 It's 11 sayings that were recorded by uh by Thomas, and the book says Didymus Thomas was uh was the name.

01:03:20.000 And it's almost like it it's different from all the other books in that it is each saying is is a teaching unto itself.

01:03:29.000 And what he is saying are I'm again I'm hesitating because we're just covering so much ground here.

01:03:38.000 What Yeshua was his name, what he was teaching was so profound for his time.

01:03:45.000 There were outer teachings and inner teachings.

01:03:48.000 The outer teachings were for the masses, and it's primarily what you see in the Gospels.

01:03:53.000 The inner teachings were for those initiates that could really understand what it was he was saying, and that's what the Gospel of Thomas uh appears to be.

01:04:02.000 It did come from a later time.

01:04:04.000 I don't think it invalidates that uh uh you know what it is that is being said in there.

01:04:10.000 What is it being said that's so controversial?

01:04:13.000 But the bottom line, and this is one I think that is probably one of the most well-known, where he says what you have, what you bring forth from within you will save you, and what you don't bring forth from within you will destroy you.

01:04:27.000 He's saying there's a power inside of us that has to be expressed.

01:04:31.000 And these texts are all about how we awaken that that power.

01:04:36.000 Okay, so the name, I'm gonna use a word and then I'll define it.

01:04:40.000 The name that has given to that power traditionally is called divinity, but it has nothing to do with religion.

01:04:46.000 So that association is made because there are schools of divinity that make that, and they're they're great schools, they do great things, but the contemporary definition of divinity, I I love this, the ability to transcend perceived limitations, and that's it.

01:05:01.000 So the ability to transcend, to become more than perceived.

01:05:07.000 Joe, you and I, our listeners, we are we are living limits that probably aren't even real.

01:05:13.000 We're living within limits that we have been indoctrinated to accept about ourselves.

01:05:19.000 Divinity is our ability to become the best version of ourselves.

01:05:24.000 Expressions of divinity, imagination.

01:05:27.000 I mean, no other form of life can do what we do with imagination.

01:05:30.000 And we I want to talk about that in just a moment.

01:05:32.000 But it's more than just a picture in your mind.

01:05:35.000 An image in the mind is setting into motion a cascade of chemical effects in the human body that literally change us.

01:05:43.000 We are changed in the presence of the right kind of imagination, and the books tell us how to do that.

01:05:49.000 So imagination, creativity, innovation, empathy, sympathy, love, compassion, healing, forgiveness, these are expressions of human divinity.

01:05:59.000 It's what sets us apart from all our forms of life, it makes us such powerful beings.

01:06:06.000 The purpose of evil, and this might be the most important thing that we say today, because it's a nebulous concept, good and evil, until you until you give it a benchmark.

01:06:19.000 The purpose of evil is to deny human divinity.

01:06:23.000 The purpose of evil is to deny us our greatest expressions, imagination, creativity, the ability to communicate and share ideas, empathy, sympathy, self-healing, all of those things.

01:06:34.000 So in a very real sense, Joe, anything that denies those things is an expression of evil.

01:06:41.000 So when we find that algorithms are denying us the ability to communicate our ideas from this perspective, that's an expression of evil.

01:06:50.000 We find we put something into our bodies that prevents us from healing our own bodies.

01:06:55.000 That is an expression of evil.

01:06:57.000 What the Gnostic texts are saying is that we are in a process that has a beginning and an end.

01:07:04.000 And the purpose of the process is to deny humankind.

01:07:09.000 Our own humanness, that has been playing out over eons, and now the technology is allowing it to play out to a greater degree because things like AI, things like misused, I'm not anti-AI, it's how it's used.

01:07:26.000 Uh things like computer chips in the brain, computer brain interface, all of these things, what they're doing, Joe, is they are denying our humanness, use it or lose it.

01:07:38.000 We've if we're using technology in place of our imagination, for example, and the psychology journals are full of articles about this.

01:07:48.000 People that chronically use artists, musicians.

01:07:52.000 My wife is a voting member of the Grammys, and we just had this conversation.

01:07:58.000 You've got musicians who go to Chat GPT and say, hey, write me a song, and now put some music to that song, and now you enter it with the Grammys, and you are competing against a human who has labored 30 or or so years to master their voice and an instrument, and you say, is that fair?

01:08:16.000 Well, they're they're struggling with that right now.

01:08:19.000 But so these are all expressions of of anything that denies our humanness, uh from that perspective is an expression of evil.

01:08:31.000 Who is doing that?

01:08:33.000 That is what those texts are all about.

01:08:36.000 That's what the texts are are are are talking to us about.

01:08:39.000 Here's that interesting.

01:08:40.000 Oh, this is gospel of Thomas 114, that's how it ends.

01:08:45.000 Simon Peter said to them, let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Jesus said, Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male, so that she too may become a living male spirit similar to you.

01:08:59.000 But I say to you, every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven. 1.00

01:09:05.000 Okay.

01:09:06.000 So what they're talking about is what is going on.

01:09:11.000 Pull up, I'm not sure why you chose that one.

01:09:12.000 I've got just a little bit of a good idea.

01:09:13.000 But let me pull up uh number two.

01:09:15.000 That's a very interesting part.

01:09:16.000 Well, we can we can talk about it because he it's in code.

01:09:19.000 He and he's talking about the the the marriage, the sacred marriage of masculine and feminine.

01:09:24.000 Uh and it's when you he said when you make the two one and the inside like the outside, then you will say the mountain move and the mountain will move, and what he's talking about is honoring the masculine and the feminine, and that's more than just a metaphor.

01:09:39.000 I mean, there's a whole thing that goes with that.

01:09:42.000 Can you bring up uh saying number seventy?

01:09:47.000 Or number 10.

01:09:48.000 Oh, star 70.

01:09:51.000 Hmm.

01:09:54.000 So 70 says, Jesus says, if you bring it into being within you, then that which you have will save you.

01:10:03.000 If you do not have it within you, then that which you do not have within you will kill you.

01:10:10.000 Jesus says, I will destroy this house and no one will be able to build it again.

01:10:14.000 This is the thing.

01:10:15.000 He's in the the Christian doctrine, we're led to believe that he was a peacemaker.

01:10:20.000 And what it says very clearly in the Gospel of Thomas, he he says, and if you go to the early when I was looking it up, this uh the c Catholics say that some of this stuff Jesus did say. 0.88

01:10:32.000 Oh, he said it.

01:10:33.000 Some of it he did not say, and some of it's flat out and made up.

01:10:36.000 They have a problem with the with the dating, but they also have a problem, it doesn't support the narrative.

01:10:41.000 That was this is what the so there were two councils.

01:10:43.000 There was a council of Carthage and the Council of Nicaea, uh, and this is where they excluded these documents, but they had been accepted prior to that.

01:10:52.000 Just like uh Enoch.

01:10:54.000 Uh you've heard people in here talk about the book of Enoch.

01:10:56.000 And that was accepted before these as well.

01:10:59.000 So these were what these are, they're inner teachings not meant for the masses, um, based upon the the concepts that he's sharing, and this is where he's saying there is something inside of us.

01:11:12.000 And the rest of the gospels, this is what uh Philip and Thomas are talking about, is that we are imbued with this force given to no other form of life.

01:11:20.000 It's uh a light, uh it is an intelligence.

01:11:25.000 And when we are fully empowered in in this intelligence, we are sovereign, critically thinking beings, and we are no longer susceptible to and vulnerable to the agendas and the ideas of others, and and there are multiple agendas that are out there.

01:11:44.000 So from this time, and now if if when you go to the the Sumerian text, they say the same thing.

01:11:50.000 They're saying when they beheld what it was that they had created, that it had more light, more power than those that created it.

01:11:59.000 Then you get Into the whole conversation of Genesis, you know, where it says God created man, but that's a translation error because the original text say Elohim, and Elohim is a plural.

01:12:15.000 Some people will say it's not.

01:12:17.000 There's exceptions to that.

01:12:19.000 But it says Elohim said, let us create man in our image.

01:12:25.000 So even if Elohim is not plural, us implies more than one God.

01:12:30.000 So the point of all of this, and we can drill down into the weeds and all these, but it appears that there was a collective of intelligence that is responsible for for us.

01:12:43.000 Okay.

01:12:43.000 That's not science, though that's the text.

01:12:46.000 Now you look at the science, the DNA is telling us that 200,000 years ago, there were mutations that cannot happen in nature that imbued us with the ability to communicate with one another and all of these things that were that we're talking about.

01:13:05.000 And almost from the moment that we were imbued with these things, there was an attempt to deny us our power, and that attempt continues today.

01:13:15.000 So I think a good case can be made.

01:13:18.000 Everything you're seeing happen in the world.

01:13:19.000 It's all important.

01:13:21.000 The wars, uh uh, the economies, all the conversation of climate is all important, and there's a level where it has become a distraction to keep us spun up in fear so that we because we're so close, Joe, we're so close as a species to awakening this fundamental force within us.

01:13:43.000 The closer we get to that awakening, the more chaos you see in the world to keep us distracted.

01:13:49.000 And I'll give you a perfect.

01:13:50.000 What is causing this awakening?

01:13:52.000 I think consciousness is um here's so is this the battle that we have to fight, though?

01:13:58.000 Is this like because it seems like there's always a pull and a push.

01:14:02.000 Right?

01:14:02.000 I think it's it's a battle um or struggle, depending on on what language you want to use.

01:14:09.000 There's a deeper conversation, and I think we're going to get to this in in a minute.

01:14:14.000 But what I want to go back, I said I would I would uh elaborate on this.

01:14:18.000 There's a part of us that doesn't live in our bodies.

01:14:20.000 Science is struggling with this, but there's a scientific experiment.

01:14:24.000 I've got it here, but if you can bring it up.

01:14:26.000 So let me just find it.

01:14:27.000 Let me just tell you about it.

01:14:32.000 Well, I labeled each one and I've got a T-sheet here.

01:14:37.000 But you'll be able to see it when it's on there.

01:14:39.000 So here this is a mind blower if you haven't heard this.

01:14:42.000 And if you have, let me know.

01:14:43.000 I won I don't want to be redundant.

01:14:44.000 But tell everybody else if I have.

01:14:47.000 Okay.

01:14:47.000 So 2022.

01:14:48.000 Well, let me ask this.

01:14:50.000 Okay.

01:14:50.000 Do you remember when you were a kid a game called Pong?

01:14:53.000 Pong.

01:14:54.000 Like ping to do.

01:14:56.000 Pong was a key, I think it came out in 72.

01:14:59.000 And it was so primitive, Joe.

01:15:01.000 It it's like a it's like a tennis game on a screen.

01:15:06.000 But computers were new, and we'd never seen anything like I would go to work.

01:15:11.000 Uh I I was in a secure area at DOD working on the Peacekeeper Missile Project after lunch, guys would come in on their CRT screens, and they'd be mesmerized.

01:15:21.000 They couldn't help it.

01:15:22.000 They were mesmerized with this game of Pong, this little boom, boom, boom, boom, and that's all it was.

01:15:29.000 Okay.

01:15:29.000 So the point is Pong w was perver pervasive in in our culture.

01:15:33.000 Everybody knew what it was.

01:15:35.000 All right.

01:15:36.000 2022, scientists did an experiment, and I've got it, uh he can find it, or I've got it on that.

01:15:41.000 Uh you can bring it up if you want to see it.

01:15:43.000 I actually Pong is on there if you bring up the Pong file.

01:15:45.000 This is part of the problem with the PowerPoint stuff, this this kind of stuff happens.

01:15:48.000 I don't think that's what you intended to show, is it?

01:15:51.000 Well, you can see you can see part of it.

01:15:53.000 But that's the one.

01:15:54.000 Can you back up?

01:15:55.000 No, I'm it's back a couple of slides, and there's the there it is right there.

01:16:00.000 And you should be able to, is it going to animate it for us?

01:16:03.000 Well, I think most of the how Pong works.

01:16:06.000 Okay, there it is.

01:16:07.000 I used to have it when I was trying to say the thing you were trying to get me to show, which is the next slide, is it's it's got an error in the Trevor Burrus.

01:16:13.000 Well, so here so here's what they did.

01:16:15.000 2022, scientists took neurons, but there was no human attached.

01:16:21.000 And they put them into a petri dish to keep them alive, and they hooked up the neurons to a computer chip.

01:16:29.000 So now you've got a uh uh a biology technology interface.

01:16:34.000 All right.

01:16:34.000 So the neurons are hooked up to a chip.

01:16:37.000 The chip was put into a computer that was loaded with pong.

01:16:42.000 The neurons began playing the game of pong, even though there was no human attached to the neurons, and the longer they played, the better they got.

01:16:52.000 They were actually learning how to play Pong better.

01:16:57.000 And now the scientists are struggling with a question.

01:17:00.000 How does a neuron not attached to a human in a petri dish know how to play Pong, where are the instructions?

01:17:09.000 Okay, so I remember when I was a kid, uh Einstein had died, and they had his brain thin sectioned in a uh the University of Kansas because they wanted to see what made his brain different from everybody else.

01:17:23.000 And it looked pretty much like everybody else's, with one exception.

01:17:26.000 He had a whole lot of folds in his brain.

01:17:30.000 So when you stretch those folds out, he had more surface area, he had more neurons.

01:17:35.000 So they're thinking, but there was Equals M C square wasn't in the brain.

01:17:40.000 All right.

01:17:41.000 So now they're looking at those neurons, they're saying, where's the instructions for Pong?

01:17:45.000 You know, and they're trying to figure out where it is.

01:17:48.000 Well, here's what this experiment is telling us.

01:17:51.000 The instructions aren't in the neurons.

01:17:53.000 The neurons are a biological antenna, a molecular antenna that tune to the place in the field where Pong is pervasive.

01:18:04.000 All right, the field.

01:18:06.000 There was a time when the field was a metaphor.

01:18:10.000 You know, uh metaphysical people, spiritual people, you say, oh, yeah, you know, it's it's out in the field.

01:18:16.000 July 4th of 2012, the CERN superconducting supercollider made an announcement that they had discovered a field that had been predicted by Peter Higgs, the physicist Peter Higgs.

01:18:32.000 Well, they found the Higgs boson, and what that implied was that there was a field supporting the boson, and now it's accepted science.

01:18:39.000 They say, oh yeah, there's a field.

01:18:41.000 So but here's the thing.

01:18:43.000 I was at a conference recently.

01:18:44.000 Here's what the scientists are doing.

01:18:46.000 This is a hoot.

01:18:46.000 They're still saying this.

01:18:48.000 They're saying, oh yeah, there's a field out there that connects everything, and their hands are doing this.

01:18:54.000 The field's not out there.

01:18:56.000 We're the field.

01:18:57.000 Okay.

01:18:59.000 50 trillion cells in the human body.

01:19:01.000 Every one of those cells has about a hundred trillion atoms emerging from the field and collapsing into the field.

01:19:08.000 Right now, you and I, we're constantly the atoms in our bodies are emerging and collapsing into that field.

01:19:16.000 We are the field, and that is what makes us so powerful.

01:19:19.000 This is why we can heal our bodies almost instantaneously when we know how to access this part of ourselves because we hold the blueprint that tells those atoms how to express when they come into the body.

01:19:37.000 So if you've got something you don't like in your body, what you do is you are using the gift of imagination to create a new blueprint for that atom to come into.

01:19:46.000 And that sounds crazy to some people.

01:19:49.000 And there's a lot of science that's struggling with this.

01:19:51.000 But when you get into the quantum world, you get into the fact that the Higgs field exists, you get in to the fact that the imagination in the mirror neurons of the human brain.

01:20:03.000 Mirror neurons were only discovered in 2004.

01:20:08.000 And the thing about mirror neurons is they don't know the difference between watching an experience and having experience.

01:20:17.000 So for example, you can be on the couch on a Sunday afternoon watching the Joe Rogan show with an exciting guest.

01:20:24.000 You're just laying there, but your heart might be racing and your body's perspiring, your muscle, or maybe you're watching soccer, because your neurons don't know the difference between watching and having the experience.

01:20:37.000 This is why porn is so addictive, because the mirror neurons don't know the difference between having and witnessing the experience.

01:20:47.000 They're going to kick up the same addictive chemicals, the same dopamine, the same uh levels of adrenaline, watching the image that they are having the image.

01:20:56.000 Here's where our power comes from.

01:20:58.000 Because the image can be imagined when we are able to hold an image of ourselves fully enabled, fully capacitated, fully healed, fully awakened, hold that image.

01:21:10.000 What we're actually doing is we're programming the body.

01:21:13.000 And this is something shamans know this.

01:21:16.000 And I live in northern New Mexico.

01:21:19.000 Our indigenous healers all know this.

01:21:21.000 I spend a lot of time in Peru and the Andes, the uh the Andean Peruvians.

01:21:25.000 They use different language.

01:21:27.000 So the point of all of this is we're not what we've been told, and we're so much more than we've been led to believe.

01:21:33.000 And it is the attempt to deny that power that is driving so much of what we're seeing happening in in our world today.

01:21:42.000 And so you think the motivation of that attempt is evil?

01:21:47.000 Yes.

01:21:49.000 That's what we're giving in to.

01:21:52.000 That's why they're enacting all these levels of control, and that's why they're suppressing people, releasing bots on the internet.

01:21:59.000 It's literally an expression of evil.

01:22:01.000 And evil's not dark, not necessarily darkness.

01:22:04.000 A lot of people confuse these.

01:22:05.000 Darkness is simply a polar force.

01:22:08.000 We we live in a binary world.

01:22:10.000 We've got to have light and dark, plus and minus boys and girls.

01:22:13.000 You know, we live in it the darkness is a passive polarity.

01:22:18.000 Evil has an active stated purpose.

01:22:21.000 And the purpose of evil has always been, whether you're looking at those ancient texts or the Sumerian texts, uh Mesopotamian texts, it's always been to deny to deny us the greatest expressions of our humanness.

01:22:36.000 And now we live in a time, this is no ordinary time in history.

01:22:40.000 There none of this is happening in a vacuum.

01:22:42.000 We're barreling down the road toward this convergence of so many natural cycles and the date 2030 that has been identified by the United Nations, by the WEF, by a number of corporations, by Ray Kurzweil, in terms of AI implementation.

01:23:00.000 They're all looking at 2030.

01:23:02.000 And what you're seeing are the powers and the forces of the world jockeying to be in the best position when this date is upon us.

01:23:13.000 And I'm not saying it's like January 1st, 2030, but the United Nations, for example, they've got, and again, I don't know if I'm being redundant here, but they've got uh the UN SDG 2030, UN United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, they want implemented by the year 2030.

01:23:28.000 They're not getting much traction because they're not good ideas.

01:23:32.000 Uh the goals, if you read them on the outside, Joe, they're they're deceptively beautiful.

01:23:38.000 Who doesn't want food security? 0.96

01:23:42.000 Who doesn't want the end of poverty? 0.92

01:23:43.000 Who doesn't want the end of disease?

01:23:45.000 Now you look at the fine print.

01:23:47.000 How will they achieve those goals?

01:23:50.000 And that's where it gets very concerning.

01:23:53.000 They haven't had much traction because the idea the way to get there is concerning.

01:23:59.000 They're not good ideas.

01:24:00.000 Now we look at World Economic Forum.

01:24:03.000 I know you've had people talking about WEF.

01:24:05.000 They've been around since 1971.

01:24:09.000 They meet once a year in Davos.

01:24:11.000 You know, they talk about what they would like the world to look like, and they have every right to do that.

01:24:17.000 Uh some of their ideas are very dystopian, in my opinion.

01:24:21.000 Things like uh you will own nothing and be happy, you know, we've heard that.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:25.000 Or the the Great Reset uh is the term that they coined, or the fourth industrial revolution.

01:24:32.000 Um they haven't gotten much traction, but they recognize that their goals were similar to the U.N. So in 2019, these two organizations joined forces.

01:24:43.000 They signed a formal document.

01:24:45.000 So now the WEF ideas are have traction through the UN uh implementation of these sustainable development goals.

01:24:56.000 And uh the goals can be beautiful.

01:24:58.000 I'm not against the goals at all.

01:25:00.000 It's how we go about do we honor ourselves and do we honor our humanness as we achieve those goals?

01:25:06.000 And there are very different ideas about what you know what it is that means.

01:25:11.000 I have a video clip uh WEF.

01:25:14.000 Do you do you see that on there?

01:25:17.000 Can we bring that video clip up?

01:25:19.000 Because in one sentence, uh Klaus Schwab states that the goal for the fourth industrial revolution.

01:25:27.000 And if he doesn't have I just want you to hear it in his voice, he said the Goal is the merging of the natural world, the digital world, and the biological world, our biological identity.

01:25:40.000 He said the goal of this fourth industrial revolution is to merge all of those into this massive database run by AI.

01:25:52.000 And uh here, here what's that?

01:25:55.000 You can hear it.

01:26:00.000 Should be the next one.

01:26:03.000 It's at the end, what what's the force industrial evolution we lead to is a fusion of all physical, our initial, and all biological identities.

01:26:19.000 Did you hear how he paused before he said biological?

01:26:24.000 Yeah.

01:26:24.000 Did you catch that?

01:26:25.000 So he's saying, okay, the physical world is already tokenized.

01:26:28.000 We already we have a digital ID for every elephant, all the forests, the oceans, all of the energy resources.

01:26:35.000 That's that's already tokenized.

01:26:38.000 The digital world is already digital, so that's tokenized.

01:26:41.000 Then there's a pause, he said, and of course, our biological identities, because he knows the implication of what he's saying.

01:26:48.000 That's us.

01:26:49.000 And right now, we are not fully implemented in into that system.

01:26:55.000 But that statement, and the reason I wanted to share that, that is what's driving everything you're seeing happening in the world.

01:27:01.000 What all the the implementation of the technology, with that statement is driving the implementation of that technology.

01:27:09.000 The AI, uh, the way that we are being indoctrinated to accept it, first accept it in our lives, and then develop a dependency upon that AI.

01:27:24.000 Ultimately there will be some kind of compliance.

01:27:26.000 We'll be told we need to use the AI in order to, you know, accomplish certain things, do our banking or you know, whatever it is, it's all being driven by AI.

01:27:35.000 That sentence is a very, very powerful sentence.

01:27:39.000 It also couldn't have been delivered by someone who looks more like a villain in a movie.

01:27:42.000 Or sounds like one.

01:27:44.000 Well, yeah, are you familiar with Klaus Schwab?

01:27:47.000 Oh, yeah, we have a photo of him in the bathroom where it was wearing that crazy Darth Vader outfit.

01:27:51.000 I saw that in the bathroom, and I was it was dark in the bathroom.

01:27:56.000 Like who the hell would dress like that?

01:27:58.000 Who would say the things that that guy Jamie find that photo, please?

01:28:01.000 Who would say the things that that guy has said like that with that accent and dress this way?

01:28:08.000 Well, this is exactly well, this is this is why we're having this conversation.

01:28:10.000 Joe, you know, I'm I'm advocating for our humanness.

01:28:14.000 Uh I believe we are there it is.

01:28:17.000 Like what are you wearing, bro?

01:28:20.000 Like, don't go out dressed like that.

01:28:22.000 We don't talk like that.

01:28:23.000 When you talk like that, you've got to wear suits and you gotta look real normal.

01:28:28.000 What are this?

01:28:28.000 What are the emblems?

01:28:29.000 What are the emblems?

01:28:30.000 An event where everyone was wearing that.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:28:33.000 Don't wear it.

01:28:34.000 If you talk like Darth Vader, don't wear it.

01:28:36.000 But see, all of this is happening from people.

01:28:40.000 This is happening from people that are afraid of our humanists.

01:28:45.000 They don't know what it means to be human.

01:28:47.000 They're afraid of dying.

01:28:48.000 The transhumanists are afraid of dying, so they want to live forever. 1.00

01:28:51.000 Right.

01:28:51.000 Well, they're also extremely wealthy and they want to control the masses.

01:28:54.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:28:55.000 Well, this is the control.

01:28:56.000 Is the doing it this way?

01:28:57.000 Again.

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 There is a fundamental, it's a very ancient.

01:29:01.000 If you don't know this, the world looks like it's spinning out of control for no reason.

01:29:05.000 When you begin, and you don't have to think about it every day, but when you look at the big picture, and you can see there's a fundamental struggle between if you want to use the language good and evil, it it's a charged language, and I know that.

01:29:16.000 And that's the language that we're using.

01:29:19.000 But the denial of our human potential.

01:29:24.000 And so the the best way, what do we do about that is if the purpose of the evil is to deny our humanness and our divinity, we triumph by living the best version of ourselves.

01:29:36.000 We triumph by imagining freely and sharing ideas and creating and and don't be afraid to have empathy and sympathy and compassion.

01:29:45.000 And and now you have a benchmark because when something comes up on social media or something we're asked to do something, we say, well, I don't know if this is a good thing or not.

01:29:55.000 You ask yourself, does it affirm or does it deny my humanist?

01:29:59.000 Is it affirm or deny my ability to imagine, to create, to love, to forgive, empathy, sympathy, compassion, to share ideas, deep intuition.

01:30:08.000 Does the firm or deny those?

01:30:10.000 And then that'll tell you what you need to know.

01:30:12.000 What you choose after that is up to the individual, but it won't be a blind choice.

01:30:17.000 And I think this is this is up for us right now.

01:30:20.000 Okay, so now evil in technology and the algorithms of social media that are designed to break the social bonds that have always held us together as communities.

01:30:32.000 And you know, this began right around 2011, I think was the Occupy movement, and it pitted the rich against the poor, 99% against one percent.

01:30:42.000 That's a very real issue.

01:30:44.000 And we Joe, we could have used that and and come to the table and had a conversation and a healing that would bring us closer together as a society.

01:30:55.000 But it was weaponized to drive us apart.

01:30:58.000 And then the same thing happened. 0.97

01:31:00.000 Men against women, blacks against whites, Christians against Muslims, Jews against Muslims. 0.87

01:31:07.000 Now it's male against female, and the genders are being blurred.

01:31:10.000 All of this by design, breaking the social bonds that hold families and communities and societies together because we're more vulnerable when we lose these bonds.

01:31:24.000 And the the algorithms that do that.

01:31:26.000 I mean, I'm fascinating.

01:31:27.000 As a computer scientist, uh I'm I'm fascinated by this.

01:31:30.000 We have what are called information silos.

01:31:35.000 So there's uh uh parents and their kids, and the mom goes to work, and you know, she goes on YouTube and and queries a bunch of stuff.

01:31:45.000 And you know what happens is the the algorithm just starts feeding you.

01:31:49.000 I mean, it's everywhere.

01:31:50.000 You're feeding one perspective of what it is that you've just queried.

01:31:56.000 Meanwhile, dad's at work, he's doing the same thing, his algorithm is giving him a separate perspective.

01:32:02.000 The kids are doing the same thing, and now they meet at the family dinner table, and everybody believes that their story is the real story, it's the right, it's the true story.

01:32:11.000 That breaks the social bonds.

01:32:13.000 And we're seeing this happen.

01:32:15.000 We're seeing this happen in in our society.

01:32:17.000 And you know, there is a it's following an algorithm that's very easy.

01:32:22.000 Are you familiar with Saul Alinsky?

01:32:23.000 I think you're probably rules for radicals.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, rules for radicals.

01:32:27.000 This is exactly what it's following.

01:32:28.000 He said you you choose a target, you freeze that target, you isolate it, you personalize it, and you polarize it.

01:32:36.000 And that's exactly what's being it's it's a simple algorithm, and that's exactly you think of all those things we just talked about.

01:32:42.000 All of a sudden it's all you see in the news, you're freezing it for everybody to see.

01:32:47.000 You're personalizing what is that, how how are you getting ripped off, and how's it hurting you if you do that?

01:32:53.000 Uh and then and you polarize that, and it just drives people apart because they believe what they're what they're being shown.

01:33:00.000 And so my invitation Add that to the fact that people are addicted to social media.

01:33:04.000 So they're addicted to being inundated by all this propaganda and all this all these various competing narratives.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:12.000 You can't leave your phone alone.

01:33:14.000 It's more and more addictive every time you pick it up.

01:33:16.000 The the newer ones are even better, the screens are even bigger.

01:33:18.000 Now you've got a foldable one, opens up to a tablets in your pocket, and people are just full-on addicted to what is a lot of negative information, far more than you would get just living your ordinary life.

01:33:30.000 Aaron Powell, you don't see much information you don't see joyous information that brings us together very often, do you do you?

01:33:37.000 Do you see anything?

01:33:38.000 Well, you can if you curate your feed well.

01:33:42.000 But the problem is if if you spend any amount of time, you're gonna be you're gonna be impacted by some ideas that you don't like.

01:33:50.000 You know, there's gonna be a lot of negativity.

01:33:52.000 Like there's a lot of things that uh X shows me that I did not sign up for this person's page.

01:33:59.000 I do not know.

01:33:59.000 They just showed up in my feed.

01:34:01.000 I do not follow them, but all of a sudden it appears, and I read it and I'm like, oh, this is fucking horrible. 0.97

01:34:07.000 This is ta like what a terrible take. 0.78

01:34:09.000 And you see people arguing in the worst, most evil way possible, for ter uh celebrating people's deaths and hoping more people die, and you're like, oh my God, I gotta get out of here.

01:34:20.000 That is evil.

01:34:21.000 Yeah.

01:34:22.000 If you I mean, I'm not saying that those human beings are evil.

01:34:25.000 I think most of those human beings don't even know what they're doing.

01:34:27.000 Exactly.

01:34:28.000 They don't even think of it as real life. 0.99

01:34:30.000 They think of it as it's called shit posting. 1.00

01:34:31.000 You know what shit posting is? 0.99

01:34:33.000 You know what people just post things for for the lulls. 1.00

01:34:36.000 They're just supposed to get reactions out of people, and there's a lot of that going on.

01:34:39.000 There's a lot of people expressing their boredom with negativity, expressing their frustration with their station in life with negativity online, and then feeding into it, arguing with other people instead of addressing their own individual real life problems, they start looking at all these things that they're creating online. 0.85

01:34:55.000 That's their primary focus, like throughout the day is these stupid ideological battles they're having with people that might not even be real people. 0.97

01:35:03.000 It's evil. 1.00

01:35:04.000 It's kind of evil.

01:35:04.000 It is and Because it's robbing what you're saying.

01:35:07.000 It's robbing you of your opportunity to achieve a higher level of humanity.

01:35:11.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:35:11.000 Well, I think what you said is really important.

01:35:16.000 Because they have are participating doesn't mean that they're evil people.

01:35:20.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:35:20.000 Right.

01:35:20.000 And even that even goes for I think most people.

01:35:23.000 Even people that do a lot of horrible acts.

01:35:26.000 I agree.

01:35:27.000 But see, then this is why I said what I said earlier.

01:35:29.000 We can tie into this people who have a propensity.

01:35:35.000 They have a spiritual weakness.

01:35:38.000 This is a this is a spiritual battle, not religious, but it's a deeply spiritual battle that's playing out on earth right now.

01:35:45.000 And it's showing up in every facet of our lives, whether we want to think about it or not.

01:35:50.000 People that have a propensity for greed, because that's their spiritual weakness, or a propensity for power or control.

01:35:59.000 They will fall into those roles.

01:36:01.000 They don't even know what and I've worked with people and I've been in organizations and I've seen it happen.

01:36:07.000 They're naive, many of them.

01:36:09.000 Some of them know exactly what they're doing.

01:36:11.000 There are some that know exactly what they're doing, but most of them are very naive and they want to be relevant.

01:36:16.000 And so they will follow the pack is is what they will do.

01:36:21.000 And so this is where I I think you can recognize this is where discernment comes in.

01:36:26.000 To recognize it without judging it, because this is a spiritual battle.

01:36:34.000 And at the end of the day, what matters, Joe, is what do we become in the presence of what the world shows us?

01:36:46.000 What do we allow the events of the world to make us into?

01:36:50.000 Do we allow an election that didn't turn the way that we had wanted to reduce us to the most primal levels of hate and revenge and anger, something we'd never do in a million years, but we succumb to that.

01:37:06.000 Or do we do recognize what it is that has happened?

01:37:13.000 And it doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

01:37:16.000 But the question is, do we make the decisions from our love of the families behind us and our friends and and our community, or do we make our decisions from the fear of what we perceive as our enemy in front of us?

01:37:32.000 And that happens every moment of every day.

01:37:34.000 I've been in I have been in a business meeting with uh uh someone who is pure evil.

01:37:40.000 Pure evil.

01:37:42.000 And the first time it happened, it caught me off guard.

01:37:46.000 And then I learned.

01:37:47.000 And it will never happen.

01:37:48.000 Uh actually tell me what the meeting was?

01:37:52.000 Uh I can't.

01:37:53.000 Um give me some details?

01:37:55.000 Aaron Powell It was it was a business.

01:37:56.000 It was in this industry that we're in right now, in the information industry, the publishing industry.

01:38:02.000 And I was with an individual uh who I'm hesitating in the the the words that I use here.

01:38:14.000 I found myself saying things that I would never say in a million years while that individual was looking at me and smiling because he was somehow inciting me to to say those things.

01:38:30.000 Uh it was almost like in some way there was a force that I had not learned to reckon with.

01:38:39.000 I have since learned.

01:38:40.000 Were you young at the time?

01:38:42.000 I was an adult.

01:38:43.000 I was younger than I am now.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 And uh and you know, this is this comes up for all of us in different ways.

01:38:50.000 So you but you're not taking responsibility for the words that are coming out of your mouth.

01:38:54.000 I couldn't stop it.

01:38:55.000 That was the weird thing.

01:38:56.000 I couldn't.

01:38:57.000 But do you think that was anxiety?

01:38:58.000 I mean, I don't think I don't know what it was, Joe.

01:39:00.000 I heard me.

01:39:01.000 I heard myself say I was dissociated.

01:39:03.000 I I heard myself saying them, and I didn't want to say them.

01:39:07.000 Right.

01:39:07.000 couldn't you attribute that to a lot of psychological factors like anxiety and stress and and you know the anticipation of this moment.

01:39:15.000 I could accept power structures.

01:39:17.000 I could, except that he was looking right at me and he had this this smile, and when I saw him again, he tried to do the same thing again and it didn't work.

01:39:27.000 But see, this is my problem with this.

01:39:29.000 If you're not taking personal responsibility for the words that are coming out of your mouth.

01:39:33.000 I did.

01:39:33.000 Right.

01:39:34.000 But you're saying that this guy forced those words to coming out of you.

01:39:38.000 And that that is where it gets a little slippery because of why do you why would you not just assume that it was your own anxiety, your own stress level.

01:39:47.000 People behave out of pocket sometimes.

01:39:49.000 They think outside of their own character sometimes.

01:39:52.000 They talk out of character, and then they go, well, I don't even know why I was saying that.

01:39:56.000 I'm sorry.

01:39:56.000 You know, that happens.

01:39:58.000 I agree.

01:39:58.000 I agree with you a hundred percent, Joe.

01:40:00.000 And that's there are other circumstances that I I I just can't talk about.

01:40:04.000 So but you think this person was actually an evil person.

01:40:06.000 Oh, I know, yeah.

01:40:07.000 I know that I know that this person was.

01:40:09.000 And and uh other people have had similar experiences that that um continue to have similar experiences.

01:40:16.000 Well I don't doubt that there are l legitimately actually fully evil people in the world.

01:40:21.000 And I think there m there's a lot of evidence that those people have existed historically.

01:40:25.000 I mean you think about some of the atrocities that people have done throughout history, just I mean, obviously Hitler.

01:40:31.000 But I mean, you you could go through history.

01:40:34.000 You could Genghis Khan, I mean you you could there's so many people that have done unbelievably evil things in this world.

01:40:40.000 When that happens, and it's happening today.

01:40:42.000 I mean, it's happening today.

01:40:43.000 Right now, you don't have to look at look at history.

01:40:46.000 Those are perfect example to to do what is happening there w when it comes human to human, the only way that the uh a human, one human can perpetrate that onto another is to to sever the relationship to their divinity.

01:41:01.000 All right.

01:41:02.000 And we have the choice to do that.

01:41:04.000 We can we can deny our divinity, we can have it taken from us by those who have power over us, or we can technology can deny our divinity.

01:41:14.000 But someone who uh and that is closely linked to the soul, which is not the spirit.

01:41:20.000 So the soul is our localized, you know, lifetime experience.

01:41:25.000 When we sever that relationship, uh that is what allows an individual to carry out those kinds of atrocities.

01:41:38.000 Because an individual who is connected to their divinity and their soul could never look at another human in the eye and hurt them the way that we know that it has happened in our lives.

01:41:52.000 And it has it's happened throughout history.

01:41:54.000 So my focus, what I'm I'm really passionate about, and it's not just like any old time in history.

01:42:04.000 We're on the precipice, Joe.

01:42:05.000 I mean, the decisions are being made within the next couple of years as to whether or not we will give our humanness away to technology, or if we allow the technology to serve us but not enslave us.

01:42:21.000 AI is an example of that.

01:42:24.000 Uh the brain-computer interfaces that are going on BCI, that's a big conversation going on right now.

01:42:30.000 And if if we get lost in the weeds of just AI or just the BCI, it's easy to do that, but I think it's important to keep there's a bigger picture.

01:42:41.000 There's a struggle.

01:42:42.000 There's an ancient struggle going on here.

01:42:44.000 And it is because this is what's so powerful.

01:42:49.000 It's because there's something inside of us that's worth the struggle.

01:42:52.000 And our children are not being taught that.

01:42:54.000 Our young kids are being told that they're a flawed form of life, they need something outside of our bodies.

01:42:59.000 We need to protect our kids.

01:43:03.000 What do you think that thing is?

01:43:05.000 You think that's what the soul is?

01:43:06.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:43:06.000 I think it's our our divinity is the ability to express, and this is going back to the Gnostic texts.

01:43:15.000 This is why they were heretical. 0.95

01:43:17.000 Because the Gnostic text said that we have a hotline to a higher realm, that we don't have to go through uh an intermediary, that we Are imbued with this spark or whatever language you want to use, uh given the northern form of life, and that when we awaken that, that we we become God like, not God, but God like.

01:43:44.000 And this was the message of Yeshua in the Gnostic texts.

01:43:48.000 And that's the message that was denied and called heretical, because the if we are that then we don't need an intermediary.

01:44:01.000 So I think what we're looking at right now is is do we love ourselves enough?

01:44:08.000 Do we love ourselves enough to accept the gift of our humanness and what it means to be human and what it means to be divine and not bring religion into the conversation.

01:44:20.000 But and maybe just find another word if people aren't comfortable with that word.

01:44:24.000 But I I really want people to know, and especially, you know, I do live events with these young kids, Joe, and they've been taught to worship technology.

01:44:34.000 The computer chip is God, AI is God.

01:44:37.000 And then I show them, and I've I've showed some studies.

01:44:42.000 Um Northern California did a study and they compared a human brain to a microprocessor.

01:44:52.000 And you say, well, how can you make that comparison?

01:44:55.000 I said that.

01:44:56.000 The microprocessor has about the same number of transistors that the human brain has of synapses in the brain.

01:45:03.000 Interestingly, it's about the same number.

01:45:06.000 And so they ran all these tests, and what they found literally the human brain, okay, the computer chip, is it fast?

01:45:12.000 Yes.

01:45:12.000 Is it efficient?

01:45:13.000 Yes.

01:45:13.000 Is it scalable?

01:45:16.000 You can only scale the chip.

01:45:18.000 It'll only run as fast as the physics that of the stuff it's made of will allow, the silicon or whatever it is.

01:45:25.000 And then it tops out.

01:45:27.000 The human brain, is it fast?

01:45:29.000 Yes.

01:45:31.000 Is it efficient?

01:45:32.000 Yes.

01:45:32.000 Is it scalable?

01:45:33.000 What what is the top end of a human brain?

01:45:36.000 And the answer is we don't know.

01:45:37.000 Because every time we push a human brain to what we think is the limit that we've been taught to accept, this is the beauty of our divinity.

01:45:47.000 What we do is we morph and adapt and open up a whole new vista of potentials.

01:45:55.000 The Tibetan monks, a perfect example of this. 1.00

01:45:58.000 When I was in school, again, back 50s and 60s, we were taught that uh the human brain maxes out about 40 hertz, 40 cycles per second, all the medical books, textbooks, everything.

01:46:11.000 And then these Tibetan monks came along and they said, Wow, if we do a certain kind of meditation, you know, we'll exceed that.

01:46:18.000 And then they bumped a doubled it.

01:46:19.000 They went to 80, 80 hertz.

01:46:21.000 The scientists said, okay, so maybe we got it wrong once, but the human brain can't possibly do any more than that.

01:46:27.000 And the the monks said, Well, you know, if we do a different kind of meditation, then you know where this is going.

01:46:32.000 And they push it up to 100 hertz, and then they they had to come up with another brain state called gamma, and then they push it to 120 and 130 and 150 and one and they 200 cycles per second.

01:46:43.000 Now they have to call it hyper gamma.

01:46:45.000 But then they even went the other direction, Joe.

01:46:47.000 This is a mind blower.

01:46:50.000 We typically think when the human brain shows less than one cycle per second of processing, less than one hertz, that person's not there anymore.

01:47:01.000 And the monks were able to consciously drive their brain state to .5 hertz, less than one.

01:47:09.000 They're very conscious, they're very awake.

01:47:11.000 They're just in a way different state of mind.

01:47:15.000 And that opens the door to a lot of questions about, you know, what does it mean when you see low brain activity?

01:47:23.000 Is someone actually in a healing state, or are they really not there?

01:47:27.000 Or you know what I think it deserves more study.

01:47:30.000 But the point of all of this, and there is a point, is that through nothing more than breath and focus.

01:47:39.000 So nothing external, no chemicals, no machines, those Tibetan monks demonstrated that we not only meet, but we are exceeding the brain capacity that we thought we had in the past. 0.96

01:47:52.000 Aaron Ross Powell The fascinating thing about them is you would have to do what they do to be able to understand how their brain functions.

01:47:59.000 You would have to Have meditated for 30 plus years in the same exact way to achieve these states that they achieve.

01:48:06.000 Otherwise you're just guessing about what that's like.

01:48:08.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:48:08.000 I led groups in the Tibet from the from the mid-90s to the early 2000s.

01:48:15.000 And we we would go to 12 monasteries and two nunneries over 26 days, and we would sit with these people, and through the translators, they would teach us.

01:48:24.000 And you don't you could spend that kind of time, but the beauty is you don't have to.

01:48:29.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:48:29.000 So to get to their level, it's not like other things like you get really good at guitar by practicing for years and years.

01:48:35.000 It's not the same thing.

01:48:36.000 It is.

01:48:36.000 No, you there is practice and there is discipline.

01:48:38.000 Absolutely.

01:48:39.000 And I'm not denying that at all.

01:48:40.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: What I'm saying is like there's an Eddie Van Halen of being a monk.

01:48:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:45.000 Like the regular guy can't tread like that.

01:48:47.000 Right.

01:48:47.000 You but Eddie Van Halen played guitar for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of hours with a d incredible focus and became Eddie Van Halen.

01:48:58.000 If you're a monk, you know Eddie Van Helen is. 0.82

01:49:02.000 To be a virtuoso, to be a Steve Ray Vaughn, to be uh Jimmy Hendrix.

01:49:06.000 Like it it requires immense amount of time.

01:49:09.000 Yes.

01:49:10.000 I would imagine to get really good at that kind of meditation, it it would be a similar thing.

01:49:14.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

01:49:14.000 There's a discipline.

01:49:15.000 There is a discipline and um But are there levels that get reached like when someone's like a true master, they've been doing it for twenty years, they can do something, they can get to a state that other people can't get to.

01:49:26.000 There are, Joe, and what I want to say is there are levels that you and I can do right this minute.

01:49:32.000 Uh I think I don't know if you've had any of the folks from the Institute of Heart Math.

01:49:36.000 Uh it's a pioneering research organization in Northern California, been around since 1994.

01:49:41.000 Uh I've worked with them since 95.

01:49:44.000 They explore the power of the human heart beyond being simply uh a pump in the body.

01:49:51.000 That's probably the least of what it does.

01:49:53.000 And what they have done and made very accessible to the average person is the ability to create coherence between the heart and the brain, and that can happen in a heartbeat.

01:50:04.000 So here's what I mean by that.

01:50:06.000 1991.

01:50:07.000 By the way, I I want to honor your time.

01:50:08.000 Are we okay on time?

01:50:10.000 Okay.

01:50:11.000 Has it been an hour yet?

01:50:12.000 We have more than an hour, yeah.

01:50:13.000 We're almost two hours.

01:50:14.000 I know I'm I'm I'm kidding.

01:50:16.000 Don't worry about anything.

01:50:17.000 Just let's talk, all right.

01:50:18.000 I'm having a great time.

01:50:20.000 I'm too, thank you.

01:50:21.000 Thank you.

01:50:23.000 Yeah, 91 uh scientists discovered in the human heart.

01:50:27.000 Um I mean, 91 is not that long ago.

01:50:30.000 No.

01:50:30.000 And scientists are thinking, okay, we we got the body nailed.

01:50:33.000 You know, we know how this works.

01:50:34.000 We do heart transplants, they're successful, so we must have this all figured out.

01:50:39.000 They discovered 40,000 specialized cells in the human heart, uh, called sensory neurites.

01:50:47.000 And when I say discovered, they've always been there, but nobody looked because they're like neurons, Joe, but they're not in the brain.

01:50:54.000 And you think, well, why are there neurons in the heart?

01:50:56.000 Right.

01:50:57.000 They think independently, they feel independently, and they process independently from the neurons in the human brain.

01:51:05.000 And so right there, there's a whole conversation about when we have trauma, our trauma is recorded in two different places.

01:51:13.000 You can do talk therapy in the brain, if you don't address the heart, it may feel incomplete to have that therapy.

01:51:18.000 But so here's why I'm sharing this.

01:51:20.000 Now we've got two neural networks, one in the heart, one in the brain.

01:51:23.000 The Institute of HeartMath made available the techniques through Three very simple steps to harmonize two neural networks into a single potent system.

01:51:38.000 And we are the only form of life that can do this at will, on demand, we choose.

01:51:44.000 We're the only form of life that can sit in a chair and say, in this moment, I choose to create the term is coherence.

01:51:51.000 And the coherence, optimum coherence is a low frequency, 0.1 hertz.

01:51:56.000 So we're the only form of life that can choose to create 0.1 hertz between the heart and the brain, harmonizing two organs become one potent system in the body.

01:52:08.000 And when that happens, man, there's a whole cascade of things.

01:52:13.000 So let me two categories.

01:52:14.000 Passive, passive benefits, just from harmonizing the heart and the brain.

01:52:20.000 You supercharge the immune system.

01:52:23.000 And this is something I've done at least once a day since 90-5 when I learned it.

01:52:27.000 And sometimes multiple times a day.

01:52:29.000 Superimmune response.

01:52:32.000 You awaken longevity enzymes that everybody has in the body that often go dormant for some people as they as they age.

01:52:41.000 You can wake them up pretty quick.

01:52:43.000 Stem cells, you can wake them up pretty quick.

01:52:45.000 Resilience to change.

01:52:48.000 And this is fascinating to me because when young, we all know this.

01:52:51.000 Young kids are really resilient to change.

01:52:55.000 I come from a very dysfunctional alcoholic family.

01:52:59.000 We moved, my father left when I was 10.

01:53:02.000 We moved every year.

01:53:03.000 And I went to a different school every year and had to make new friends every year.

01:53:06.000 And it took a lot of resilience to do that.

01:53:09.000 I could do that then.

01:53:10.000 I'd probably have problems doing something like that now.

01:53:14.000 Because typically as we age, we lose resilience.

01:53:18.000 That is directly linked to what's called heart rate variability, HRV.

01:53:23.000 So every heartbeat that goes boom-boom-boom-boom.

01:53:28.000 It's the QRS complex.

01:53:31.000 And the time from one peak to the next to the next to the next varies.

01:53:36.000 When we're young, it varies a lot, and that gives us resilience.

01:53:41.000 When we age, it becomes more regular, we lose our resilience, set in our waves.

01:53:47.000 Through harmonizing heart and the brain, you can actually uh uh reset that heart rate variability to the point where it was when you were younger.

01:53:57.000 And it doesn't take long to do that.

01:53:59.000 So those are our passive benefits.

01:54:02.000 Now, active benefits, once you're in that space, and this is where the really juicy stuff happens, deep intuition.

01:54:10.000 So this is where you do uh precognition.

01:54:14.000 You have the ability to, your heart will sense an event before it actually happens, and there's science showing why that is.

01:54:21.000 Like so many people knew 9-11 was going to happen before it happened, and I'm not saying they did this, but they they knew intuitively that this is a way to awaken that kind of intuition on demand.

01:54:33.000 Uh deep intuition on demand.

01:54:37.000 Um there are 1,300 positive biochemical reactions from harmonizing the heart and the brain.

01:54:44.000 All right.

01:54:45.000 And what is the method you use to harmonize?

01:54:48.000 Three three steps.

01:54:48.000 One is you shift your focus from your mind into your heart.

01:54:53.000 And I've led groups with indigenous people all over the world for 40 years, and the way they all do this is they'll always touch their heart to bring their awareness to their heart center.

01:55:05.000 Some people use a finger or two, if you're in the in the Mayan cultures in Mexico, they use a full palm.

01:55:12.000 Uh you see this in the Middle East.

01:55:14.000 Uh you people will greet one another with a full palm, or Buddhists will do it like this and nestle that uh prayer mudra right there. 0.89

01:55:23.000 And the point is that your awareness will always go to the place on your body where you feel the touch.

01:55:28.000 Like if I touch my arm, all my my awareness went there.

01:55:31.000 That's the first step.

01:55:32.000 So you meet someone, you put your hands on your heart to bring awareness to your heart.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, yeah, you can do it, do it that way.

01:55:37.000 This is what they do.

01:55:38.000 So the first step in heart-brain coherence uh developed by the Institute of Heart Math.

01:55:44.000 Uh you shift your awareness from your mind into your heart, first step.

01:55:48.000 Second step is to slow your breathing.

01:55:51.000 And the the key here, it's not just enough just to slow it, but you exhale for a period of time longer than you inhale, because we all breathe at a different rate.

01:56:02.000 So, for example, if we inhale four four counts and release six, okay, that might work for me.

01:56:09.000 Somebody at you know, a higher elevation might do it differently.

01:56:13.000 But the point is when you release, when you exhale for a period of time longer than you inhale, that triggers the relaxation response, parasympathetic nervous system.

01:56:24.000 You're telling your body it's a language.

01:56:26.000 And what you're doing is you're telling your body, I am safe.

01:56:29.000 Because that's the only time you're right, and hyperventilating is the opposite.

01:56:32.000 Yeah, you don't want hyperventilation.

01:56:34.000 Yeah.

01:56:34.000 So second step is you're you're breathing uh slower, longer on the exhale, focusing as if your breath is coming from your heart while your focus is on your heart, two steps.

01:56:46.000 The third step is where you create 0.01 hertz.

01:56:50.000 You feel a feeling, a positive feeling because you choose to feel the feeling.

01:56:56.000 And this is deceptively powerful, Joe, Because most forms of life, including humans, only have a feeling in response to what the world shows to them.

01:57:10.000 We have the ability to have a feeling because we choose to have the feeling.

01:57:14.000 And what the science is showing is that the feeling of gratitude almost 100% works for everyone.

01:57:22.000 We all can sense gratitude.

01:57:25.000 I mean, you can think of words like compassion, that means different things, different people, love means different things.

01:57:30.000 But we can be grateful for for our children, our families, our lives, something like that.

01:57:37.000 And when we feel that feeling, it sends a signal, a very low frequency, point 0.1 hertz from the heart to the brain in the presence of the slower breathing.

01:57:51.000 And that harmonization between the heart and the brain is what r gives all the benefits that we just shared.

01:57:58.000 Everything, you know, superimmune response, stem cells, uh, longevity enzymes, all of those things.

01:58:05.000 And it's also if people do affirmations, this is the place.

01:58:09.000 An affirmation is a message to the subconscious.

01:58:14.000 And you have to speak in a language that the subconscious recognizes.

01:58:20.000 And the coherence between the heart and the brain is like a hotline to the subconscious, but you don't have to be hypnotized.

01:58:28.000 So when you're saying affirmations, if you if you do it during that time, they're even even more potent.

01:58:35.000 Uh and you know, we could spend a lot of time talking about the role of imagination, mirror neurons, all of that happening within the presence.

01:58:43.000 But the point going back to what you were were mentioning about the Tibetan monks.

01:58:49.000 Yeah, you can study years learning what they're learning, and there are benefits that we can access pretty quickly.

01:58:59.000 And it's science-based.

01:59:01.000 I mean, this is all peer-reviewed, this is the the beauty of the Institute of Heart Math.

01:59:05.000 They publish in peer-reviewed journals and they've done much more.

01:59:10.000 I'm just scratching the surface.

01:59:12.000 If anyone is not familiar with that, I invite people to go to WW HeartMath, H-E-A-R-T, M-A-T-H dot org, and it's all free, you can check it out.

01:59:21.000 Aaron Powell So do you believe that the connection between the heart and the mind when you achieve that state that it increases your intuition?

01:59:28.000 Absolutely.

01:59:30.000 But the between the heart and the brain.

01:59:32.000 What did I say the heart and the heart, heart and the mind.

01:59:34.000 I said the heart and the mind, the heart and the brain.

01:59:36.000 And what you said, this is such a good question, Joe, and here's the reason.

01:59:40.000 And this is one of the places where it's so powerful.

01:59:42.000 I mean, you can use this stuff in a business environment for this very reason.

01:59:47.000 When we look at the world and solve our problems from our mind, our brain, brain's left and right brain.

01:59:56.000 So, you know, you've got logic and intuition over here.

01:59:59.000 Those are the ego loops.

02:00:02.000 And the brain will will always work in polarity.

02:00:05.000 That's where you're going to get right and wrong, good and bad, success, failure, worthy, not worthy.

02:00:12.000 And the ego, man, it'll spin you up in those loops for hours.

02:00:16.000 But here's the thing, the heart is non-polarity.

02:00:20.000 It's not, it's not a polar organ.

02:00:22.000 So when you harmonize the heart and the brain, what you're doing is you're bypassing the ego loops.

02:00:29.000 And here's where that can be powerful.

02:00:31.000 I did this in a corporate boardroom.

02:00:33.000 I was I was the the youngest uh so I was the first tech ops manager at Cisco Systems, 1990, when they uh got the RFP for protocol converter so that all the branches of the armed services could computers could talk to all the others before the the first Gulf War.

02:00:52.000 And when I would go into the boardroom with an idea, and I knew that I was going to be criticized.

02:01:00.000 Uh I'm also a Cancerian male.

02:01:02.000 And if you know anything about it I've never heard anybody use that term.

02:01:05.000 Yeah, well.

02:01:06.000 Cancerian.

02:01:06.000 Yeah.

02:01:07.000 Well, that's my I'm that's my sign.

02:01:08.000 My birth signs in case.

02:01:10.000 I understand what it is, but I've never heard the term.

02:01:12.000 And um very uh emotion plays a big role in our it doesn't have to, but you know, it's a it's a stereotype, but it happens to be true for me.

02:01:19.000 Right.

02:01:20.000 Emotion plays a big role, criticism coming from an alcoholic family.

02:01:24.000 Uh my father was the abuser and the criticizer.

02:01:28.000 And I've spent my whole life, you know, working to I'm still healing, you know, from that.

02:01:34.000 So when somebody would criticize my ideas, uh, you know, it'd be hurtful.

02:01:38.000 I'd I'd take it personally.

02:01:40.000 When you move into the coherence and you're not taking that criticism through good, bad, right, wrong, success, failure.

02:01:49.000 Now you can be much more objective.

02:01:51.000 And you can listen to it.

02:01:53.000 And when they're finished, you can say, well, you know, have you ever considered this?

02:01:58.000 Because you haven't reacted.

02:01:59.000 And it's a really powerful place to Well, it's certainly worse if you're talking to a good faith actor, someone who's really wants to talk about stuff and has a legitimate criticism.

02:02:08.000 But most of the time when people are criticizing you, they're trying to hurt your feelings.

02:02:11.000 They are.

02:02:12.000 I never read my book reviews on that design move.

02:02:16.000 I mean, it's not that criticism is bad.

02:02:18.000 Criticism is critical.

02:02:19.000 Like you you can learn a lot from intelligent people from their um perspectives of things.

02:02:24.000 I've learned a lot from other people's criticism.

02:02:27.000 But the difference between that and d dwelling on criticism.

02:02:32.000 That's the part where people get wrapped up in their own identity and and also interpersonal conflicts. 0.97

02:02:38.000 If you if you're a kind of person who like you're naturally argumentative and then someone says something, you're like, that's not fucking true.

02:02:45.000 And you want to say something back, but it's just it's a lot of negativity and a lot of wasted time.

02:02:51.000 And the way I try to describe it, uh especially to uh emerging famous people.

02:02:56.000 And I'm like, you have to think of your life as if like your energy is a number.

02:03:01.000 Like you have a hundred energies for the day.

02:03:04.000 Like it's a unit.

02:03:05.000 And if you're spending 30 or 40 of those energies on 30 or 40 of those units on social media and of criticism and of negativity, it's gonna rob the 60 percent that you really enjoy.

02:03:18.000 It's gonna rob your time with your friends, your family, your hobbies, your job, your community, whatever the f whatever you really love, hanging out with your dog. 0.92

02:03:26.000 You know, like this people right now that are going on a walk with their sweet, sweet dog and they're thinking about some mean post that someone made and the mean shit they're gonna say to get back at that person.

02:03:36.000 Meanwhile, they're with this beautiful animal and that if you got on your knees, you go, Are you having a good time? 0.91

02:03:42.000 They give you kisses and they put their paw on.

02:03:43.000 Like you're having so much fun. 0.96

02:03:45.000 It's so beautiful and loving, and you're thinking about something stupid that has no bearing on this moment. 0.99

02:03:51.000 And you can't escape. 0.97

02:03:52.000 You can't escape.

02:03:53.000 You're like psychically connected to this negativity.

02:03:57.000 That's a tool.

02:03:57.000 It's a powerful tool.

02:03:58.000 That's why I tell them it's not worth it.

02:04:00.000 Well, this helps to be objective, so you can hear the critic.

02:04:03.000 I'm open to criticism.

02:04:04.000 But it should be one-on-one.

02:04:07.000 Honestly, one-on-one with compassionate people.

02:04:12.000 Not my Amazon book review.

02:04:14.000 Well, there's people out there that are critics, and this is uh an important distinction.

02:04:19.000 They're critics because they don't have anything to contribute.

02:04:23.000 And they didn't want to be critics, especially professional critics.

02:04:26.000 A lot of them wanted to be professional writers, but their work was not good.

02:04:30.000 Like Roger Ebert wrote one of the craziest scripts of all time.

02:04:34.000 Have you ever read it?

02:04:35.000 No.

02:04:35.000 You ever heard of it?

02:04:36.000 I know Roger Ebert, I know the script.

02:04:39.000 Like out there.

02:04:40.000 Like wasn't it like hyper sexual?

02:04:43.000 What was it about? 0.99

02:04:44.000 Anyway, widely panned as being fucking terrible. 0.98

02:04:47.000 But this is the guy that is the guy that back in the day was the guy to review movies, and it would be so snarky and so bite. 0.98

02:04:55.000 But you have to realize, like look at him.

02:04:58.000 Look at these people.

02:04:59.000 Look at the way they talk.

02:05:00.000 Do you uh d is this the kind of opinion you value?

02:05:04.000 Like why is this the thing that gets elevated?

02:05:07.000 Wouldn't you rather have the opinion of someone who really enjoys going to the movies and has great things to say about perform.

02:05:15.000 It's like someone who's enjoying it, not someone who wants to be pissed off so they could say the snarkiest, shittiest.

02:05:22.000 And have you ever seen the videos of the two of those guys arguing with each other off camera?

02:05:26.000 Those are amazing.

02:05:28.000 They called them bloopers.

02:05:29.000 And I I like the bloopers better in the reviews.

02:05:31.000 Because that's the real guys. 0.99

02:05:32.000 They're really shitty guys. 0.99

02:05:34.000 They're they're super shitty to each other. 1.00

02:05:35.000 They're both so nasty to each other. 0.99

02:05:38.000 It's like so those are the people that are dictating what is good and bad in culture, that's nuts. 0.93

02:05:44.000 Yeah.

02:05:44.000 That's the problem with criticism.

02:05:46.000 That's the problem with critics. 1.00

02:05:47.000 A lot of them are shitheads. 1.00

02:05:48.000 Yep. 1.00

02:05:48.000 Uh I think that's a good idea. 1.00

02:05:49.000 So you're getting the opinions primarily of shitheads. 0.98

02:05:52.000 Aaron Powell, Jr. 0.98

02:05:52.000 But see, but what you're doing through coherence is that you're defusing that the shithead uh criticism from having the impact on you so that you're thinking about it while you're out walking your dog on a beautiful day. 0.98

02:06:06.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 0.60

02:06:06.000 Well, that's a beautiful thing if you can do that. 0.60

02:06:08.000 If you can separate yourself from what they said.

02:06:11.000 But the only way you could really do that is if you are 100% happy with what you've done.

02:06:16.000 So if you write a book and that book you're you nailed it, you love it, it's amazing.

02:06:20.000 If someone's like really critical of it, suffer you.

02:06:23.000 But the thing that I made is perfect for the people who like the thing that I made.

02:06:28.000 You know?

02:06:28.000 And that's if you can get to a place where you could do that, that's great.

02:06:32.000 But you have to know that you put your all into what you did so that you don't feel bad about other people's negative opinion of it.

02:06:39.000 But if you have some thing like I kind of half-assed that, I could have spent more time on this.

02:06:44.000 I I wasn't really committed to that.

02:06:46.000 If you're doing that, then the criticism hurts because you know it's valid.

02:06:50.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 Well, if you're if you're going to do some I think whatever we do, book or you know, music or whatever it is, uh we do put a million percent into it.

02:07:00.000 I I learned this you know, my d my dad left when I was ten, and our family was devastated.

02:07:07.000 Uh my mom uh is my mom.

02:07:10.000 I have a younger brother, four years younger and myself, and mom all of a sudden was raising, you know, two boys.

02:07:15.000 And we knew we were in for some pretty rough ties, man.

02:07:17.000 We were we were more than broke.

02:07:19.000 We ended up m living in government subsidized housing and you know, it was it was a tough time.

02:07:25.000 And and mom gave me a book at ten years old.

02:07:27.000 She handed me this book and she said, I think that this is going to be useful to you in in your life.

02:07:32.000 And you may know this book.

02:07:34.000 It was by a man named Khalil Gabron.

02:07:36.000 Sure.

02:07:36.000 It's called The Prophet.

02:07:38.000 And I read it to this day, and there are different pieces that mean different things to me throughout my life.

02:07:45.000 But there was one piece where he talked about work.

02:07:49.000 And in the environment I grew up in, my father hated his job, he hated to work, my friends all hated their work, they just wanted to make money.

02:07:56.000 And Khalil Gabr, uh this is on every email that I write right at the bottom.

02:08:00.000 Khalil Gabron said, work is love made visible.

02:08:03.000 And I like that because it means that when we're going to do something, you do it to the best of your ability and even more, or don't do it at all.

02:08:14.000 If you're gonna do it, do it really, really well and find a way to give meaning to what you're doing.

02:08:20.000 So, you know, I went to work, I used to work um midnight to six a.m. in a warehouse loading I don't talk about this a lot, but I was I was loading fifty-pound bags of um purena uh cat chow on the boxcars so they could go out in the morning to this distribution.

02:08:37.000 And the guys I work with, man, they hated.

02:08:39.000 They hated their job.

02:08:40.000 And I said, you know what?

02:08:41.000 If I do this just right, fifty-pound bags, if I use my my legs, I can get a pretty good leg workout out of this.

02:08:48.000 And then when I'm done with that after dinner, I'll come back and I can I can get a good upper body workout and I can use my arms and all of a sudden I was getting paid for a great workout, and they had a boxcar full of Purina cat shall and it was love made visible.

02:09:02.000 And and that's a great perspective.

02:09:05.000 Well, it has stayed with me, and and I'm saying this because if I write a book or if I do an event, anything I do, uh if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it really to the best of my ability.

02:09:15.000 If I can't do it to the best of my ability, I'll just if I don't believe in it, I won't do it.

02:09:18.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:09:19.000 It's hard for young people to hear that because you know they're doing a job that sucks, they just want to get out of there and go do what they love.

02:09:25.000 And sometimes a job that sucks is really good motivation to get you to work harder to go out and do the thing that you want to do that you love.

02:09:33.000 Because I I don't think I would ever appreciate the life that I have now if I didn't have a bunch of really terrible jobs when I was young.

02:09:42.000 Well, we we all did, and I think there is there is something to be said.

02:09:46.000 If if for a young person, I mean I used to I used to do lawns, I was a cook.

02:09:51.000 Uh none of it was my dream, but I said if I'm gonna do it, I want to do it really, I'm gonna do this really well.

02:09:57.000 Well, that's great attitude.

02:09:59.000 And I think that's a good idea of that was like, oh my God, this drains you of your life force.

02:10:02.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: But we're better we're better for it if we can approach it in that way.

02:10:06.000 And then when you don't do it anymore, you stop doing it.

02:10:08.000 Well, yeah, I mean, if you have a negative attitude about something that you're doing versus a positive attitude, you could do the exact same thing with a positive attitude and actually enjoy it.

02:10:16.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 And just have fun.

02:10:17.000 And especially if you're working with good people.

02:10:20.000 So I have a question for you.

02:10:22.000 Okay.

02:10:23.000 When you invited me here, uh I've got 40 years of of work.

02:10:28.000 Was there one particular facet of that work that you wanted to explore and talk about?

02:10:34.000 I've seen your work for a long time, and I've seen you say a lot of really interesting things for a long time.

02:10:39.000 Um it wasn't any one thing.

02:10:42.000 Okay.

02:10:42.000 Although there was uh a conversation that you had uh recently that I thought was very interesting.

02:10:46.000 I don't know if it was recently, but it it made it into my social media feeds recently, uh uh where you were talking to someone about climate change.

02:10:53.000 And you were talking about carbon in the environment and its actual effect versus a lot of a lot of the narrative that you hear about this Green New Deal stuff and just the climate the the the freak out, the climate freakout from the Al Gore film, which, by the way, freaked everybody out and was totally inaccurate.

02:11:17.000 It was horribly inaccurate.

02:11:19.000 This was uh a film, an inconvenient truth from 2005?

02:11:27.000 It was it before that?

02:11:28.000 Yeah.

02:11:29.000 So this film freaked, literally freaked everyone out of the code.

02:11:32.000 So it's a PowerPoint.

02:11:33.000 He did a PowerPoint presentation.

02:11:35.000 Oh, it was.

02:11:36.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:36.000 He just he gave a PowerPoint presentation and recorded it.

02:11:39.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 0.99

02:11:39.000 And this film was all about how we are fucked. 0.99

02:11:43.000 And by this time, the time we're living in right now, 2025, the Earth is supposed to be unlivable. 0.98

02:11:49.000 I mean, it's not I'm exaggerating, but like Miami's underwater, the coast.

02:11:53.000 Meanwhile, the coasts haven't moved at all.

02:11:55.000 And the some of the wealthiest, most influential people in the world buy property on the coastline.

02:12:01.000 So like that, by the way, I should tell you, you know, if the billionaires are buying beach houses, I think it's going to be okay in that regard.

02:12:09.000 But it's also like he made a lot of money off of it.

02:12:12.000 It became really weird because it became he was speaking everywhere and he made hundreds of millions of dollars.

02:12:19.000 He created the carbon credit system.

02:12:21.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 The whole thing is kind of nuts when you're that wrong and nobody even calls you out on it.

02:12:26.000 Like you freaked everybody out from when I saw it in 2006, all my friends were like, oh my God, we got to do something now.

02:12:33.000 We were all freaked out.

02:12:34.000 Twenty years later, very little difference.

02:12:37.000 It's not what he said wasn't true.

02:12:40.000 And there's a lot of weird inconvenient things.

02:12:43.000 One of the things that Randall Carlson brings up is one of the things about carbon is there's more green now on the surface of Earth and there has been how many years?

02:12:52.000 How many years is it been?

02:12:54.000 Well, NAS NASA says uh I have uh some slides called climate if we we want to look at any of the Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:13:01.000 And if people don't know why that would be, it was well, plants eat carbon dioxide.

02:13:04.000 Trevor Burrus So here's uh I mean we could do a whole three hours on this.

02:13:10.000 So I think we come back and do that.

02:13:12.000 I'm I'm a degree geologist, and I'm I began looking at climate in 1979 when I was in the energy industry uh in Denver, Colorado.

02:13:21.000 Climate change is a fact, and I want to be on record, I want to say it's it is a fact.

02:13:26.000 It's constantly changing.

02:13:29.000 And Earth is warming.

02:13:31.000 Uh and if we weren't, I would be concerned because the warming is cyclic.

02:13:36.000 And if we weren't warming now, I wonder why we're not warming now.

02:13:41.000 Uh and I want to be very clear, we need to find clean, green, sustainable forms of energy.

02:13:48.000 And we've had them, Joe, for 70 years.

02:13:51.000 If we if we were it goes even beyond thorium.

02:13:54.000 I don't know if you're familiar with thorium.

02:13:56.000 No, what's that?

02:13:57.000 So uh the Manhattan Project.

02:13:59.000 Sounds like an antidepressant.

02:14:00.000 No, no, this is it's a mineral.

02:14:02.000 It's an element.

02:14:04.000 Uh during the Manhattan Project, when they you know, did the crash program for the weapon.

02:14:13.000 They went through the periodic table to find out what elements could possibly be used to create the energy.

02:14:20.000 Uh and they chose uranium because the byproduct was the plutonium that they needed for the weapons and for the nuclear reactors.

02:14:29.000 But it's not the only element that would work.

02:14:32.000 Element number 90 uh is thorium.

02:14:35.000 Thorium uh is abundant in the Earth's crust.

02:14:38.000 It's inexpensive.

02:14:39.000 It's uh almost every nation has access to it, so it's very easy to get uh it cannot melt down like a Fukushima.

02:14:49.000 It cannot be weaponized, which is one of the reasons that that they're not using it.

02:14:53.000 The waste can become the new fuel.

02:14:55.000 It can be recycled as the fuel.

02:14:58.000 What?

02:14:59.000 Uh thorium element number ninety.

02:15:01.000 and if you look it up, this is why Wikipedia is a problem.

02:15:04.000 If you look up Wikipedia and some of these other things, they'll say, well, it's theoretical.

02:15:09.000 We had thorium reactors back in the 80s.

02:15:12.000 China, Russia, the United States had them in Colorado.

02:15:14.000 There was an Indian River facility that was largely the uh run on uh it's called thori thorium salts is what they were doing.

02:15:23.000 Uh and that's just one example.

02:15:26.000 So what I'm saying is if we were serious about clean green sustainable energy, there are technologies that they would have allowed us to have that we haven't.

02:15:38.000 All right.

02:15:39.000 So I just uh I want to say that.

02:15:40.000 When it comes to this is part of our earlier conversation.

02:15:45.000 We are being taught to demonize carbon in general.

02:15:48.000 And our young people are frightened of carbon.

02:15:51.000 They think carbon is bad, carbon is evil, carbon is what we're made out of.

02:15:55.000 And so they have no problem relinquishing their carbon-based, frail, fragile, flawed bodies for the technology because they've already been taught that carbon is bad.

02:16:07.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:16:08.000 Which is bananas.

02:16:09.000 Well, it is banana.

02:16:10.000 So here's the thing I can't believe it worked.

02:16:12.000 Well, we've got with psych it's psychology.

02:16:14.000 There's a whole story behind that.

02:16:15.000 So I've got some images, I don't know if we want to bring them up.

02:16:17.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:16:17.000 But that's this narrow view of carbon is so crazy.

02:16:20.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: First, right now, so CO2 levels right now, about 418, 420 parts per million, which is higher than it's been in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years.

02:16:32.000 That's true.

02:16:33.000 Is it dangerously high?

02:16:34.000 No.

02:16:35.000 And as a geologist, here's why I can say that.

02:16:38.000 When we go look at the geologic record, there are times we've had CO2 levels have been a thousand parts per million, two thousand parts per million.

02:16:47.000 And Earth was lush, earth was green, it was definitely a little warmer.

02:16:51.000 The ice melted, the sea levels did rise.

02:16:54.000 Okay.

02:16:55.000 That's a problem for people that build 10 feet from the sea, thinking that the sea is always going to be 10 feet away.

02:17:04.000 Right.

02:17:04.000 All right.

02:17:05.000 Uh some of the the most abundant times for life during Jurassic period, uh Cretaceous, uh during during these periods.

02:17:16.000 And what's interesting is you can have very high carbon dioxide levels historically and the temperatures are low.

02:17:23.000 And vice versa, you can have uh high temperatures and the CO2 is low.

02:17:28.000 And then one of the kickers is from the Vostok ice cores.

02:17:32.000 So uh we we recognize warming was happening.

02:17:38.000 Scientists went to Antarctica.

02:17:40.000 Okay, I'm gonna back up for people that may not be familiar with this.

02:17:44.000 Every year there's a new layer of ice that is laid down in Greenland uh and Antarctica, and in that layer of ice is captured little air bubbles uh of the atmosphere and particles of pollen and particles of volcanic dust.

02:18:02.000 And we can tell from that layer what the the the temperatures have been, what the magnetic strength of the earth has been, how strong the sun has been.

02:18:11.000 I mean, all this stuff was it is a it's a mind-blower.

02:18:14.000 I'm just amazed.

02:18:15.000 Uh we actually have ice core libraries.

02:18:18.000 So I mean, very cold uh refrigerated rooms where they've seen that.

02:18:22.000 They take the core.

02:18:24.000 It's wild.

02:18:25.000 Yeah.

02:18:25.000 So scientists recognize the ice was we can pull a video that up.

02:18:29.000 It's so fascinating to look at if people hadn't seen it.

02:18:32.000 I may have some pictures and it's under climate on the power of it.

02:18:35.000 The PowerPoints.

02:18:37.000 So what they did was they said, let's we don't know what's happening, is what scientists said.

02:18:42.000 Let's capture as much information as we can before the ice melts.

02:18:46.000 So they drilled in Vostok, Antarctica, uh and they ended up going back 420,000 years of of layers of ice, continuous layers.

02:18:57.000 Whoa, how deep is that?

02:18:59.000 Um I'm not sure how how deep that is.

02:19:02.000 It's it was they drilled below that was Vostok Lake.

02:19:05.000 So they went down as far as they could uh before they hit it the lake.

02:19:09.000 That's a hell of a pipe.

02:19:10.000 It is.

02:19:11.000 And you can see uh so here's here and this was in the the eighties and nineties they were doing this.

02:19:17.000 And the real scientists know what I'm gonna say, the real geologist that are not politicized and are not beholden to academic or corporate interests that are paying their paychecks.

02:19:32.000 One of the problems is in those ice cores, the temperature actually rises before the CO2 levels.

02:19:42.000 If the CO2 is causing that rise, that's a problem.

02:19:47.000 Because you would expect the CO2 to rise first and then the temperature and that's not what the ice cores now I do have a slide of that if he wants to to bring that up.

02:19:57.000 So it suggests that something else is happening.

02:20:01.000 And when we look at um it's it's this one right um it's on the lower lower left the sec second slide on the from the lower left.

02:20:19.000 I can't see this is a lot of slides folks.

02:20:24.000 There's 28 slides.

02:20:25.000 Yeah this is a present presentation that I gave okay right there.

02:20:30.000 So what you're seeing is the uh the red is temperature and blue yeah and the you can see that the uh the red if you're coming from the the past to the present the red is rising first and then the blue follows so the temperatures are rising first and then the carbon dioxide is rising.

02:20:51.000 Now there's a reason for that and a lot of people don't like this what's driving climate change is under our feet humans are not causing it.

02:21:05.000 All right statement and it's different than what a lot of people have heard and I'm going to acknowledge that NASA said I've got a slide showing that NASA is showing 90% of the CO2 in the atmosphere Joe is coming from the outgassing of the oceans.

02:21:21.000 All right we know from high school science from high school science that cold water holds more gas the oceans are warming and that's a fact and as they warm they're releasing that CO2 into the atmosphere the kicker is they're warming from underneath not from top.

02:21:42.000 So they're not you don't think they're warming from whatever we're doing to the atmosphere.

02:21:48.000 No.

02:21:48.000 We now we are definitely contributing to CO2 in the atmosphere but it's what would be the factor like what would be the cause of the warming from below we're going to go through this I I should probably just go I have another one on there on on um magnetic migrations.

02:22:06.000 Okay so here's now you're gonna freak me out Randall Carlson deal no no and I don't see any evidence of all the things to be concerned about.

02:22:16.000 Before the poles can shift which they do occasionally three factors have to be in place and they're not there right now.

02:22:22.000 So let me just say that.

02:22:23.000 Right now thank you for that because I've been freaking out about that one.

02:22:26.000 No they they but however we're asking the wrong question.

02:22:30.000 They're not shifting they're migrating.

02:22:32.000 Oh great.

02:22:32.000 And the migration, what happens, I'm not sure how far back to go.

02:22:42.000 So what we know is Paul LaViolette in the 1980s, I knew him before he passed.

02:22:49.000 He was a brilliant, brilliant physicist, wrote a book called Earth Under Fire that was ridiculed a lot in the 80s.

02:22:56.000 And what he said is that every once in a while on a clockwork basis, there is a volley of cosmic rays that comes, cosmic rays that come from the center of our Milky Way.

02:23:12.000 cosmic rays like they're passing through you and me right now because we're mostly empty you know our at we're 99.99 percent nothing.

02:23:20.000 Neutrinos and stuff like that.

02:23:22.000 Exactly.

02:23:22.000 And when they pass into the crust of the earth nothing happens.

02:23:26.000 In the core, the core is so dense, Joe, because of the pressure of the earth it's iron nickel and it's so dense that those they they can't pass through and it actually causes what's called perturbations and it begins to heat the core of the earth and that causes uh it shifts rotation and right now Japanese scientists are saying that the the core is slowed or possibly even stopped.

02:23:52.000 I don't know if your guests have talked about that as the core goes through these cycles so you look at the cross section of the earth there's the inner core that's solid the outer core is molten then the mantle is about 1800 miles thick, and it's it's magma, and then the crust is only about 36 miles thick.

02:24:14.000 So in the the the textbooks, the inner core always looks like it's floating right in the middle of the earth, but that's not what's happening.

02:24:22.000 When it goes when those particles are hitting it and heating it up, it actually bumps up against the outer core, causing ripples, perturbations is what they're called, uh against the mantle, and the mantle begins to seep into the crust, and it's the mantle that is heating the oceans from underneath because of that.

02:24:48.000 Happens uh about every well, about every 12,500 years.

02:24:53.000 And that number, if you talk to Randall, we just did the conference in Boulder.

02:24:57.000 Uh he was in the conference that we did up there, and that uh has to do with the younger dryests. 1.00

02:25:03.000 You m if um I think you've had guests talking about so the last the younger dryest was the last time that this happened.

02:25:09.000 It happened 12,500 years before that, 12,500 years before that.

02:25:14.000 You can I've got a chart.

02:25:15.000 You can see it's like clockwork.

02:25:16.000 I'm looking at that NASA thing, and it said I went to the website, it says that it's rising because the ocean is absorbing the gases, causing the water to rise over time.

02:25:28.000 The the ocean is that's the equilibrium.

02:25:31.000 It's outgassing.

02:25:33.000 Uh and it's also there's a an equilibrium between what we're creating in the atmosphere, and we are creating in the atmosphere.

02:25:40.000 You have to be honest about it.

02:25:41.000 We're creating carbon dioxide, and it the ocean is is what's called the sink.

02:25:45.000 It's the CO2 sink that is is heated that's soaking that up.

02:25:48.000 So what's happening, Joe, is the mantle is is being disturbed.

02:25:54.000 It is heating the oceans from underneath, releasing the carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

02:25:59.000 And that's where that's coming from.

02:26:01.000 When we look into the geologic history, uh we've seen this happen before.

02:26:07.000 And it's it's intense, it's brief, and it's what comes after that usually is a problem.

02:26:13.000 It's not the warming, it's the change.

02:26:17.000 Uh that this was what was interesting.

02:26:19.000 Underneath it it said covering more than 70 percent of the Earth's surface, our global global ocean has a very high heat capacity.

02:26:26.000 It has uh has absorbed ninety percent of the warming that has occurred in recent decades due to increasing greenhouse gases.

02:26:34.000 So this is acknowledging, though, that there has been an increase in the temperature because of our civilization, because of greenhouse gases.

02:26:44.000 There's an increase in CO2.

02:26:46.000 But so but it's saying an increase in warming.

02:26:49.000 And warming has occurred because of increasing greenhouse gases.

02:26:54.000 So what you're saying is these greenhouse gases we're contributing to it, but it's not the primary.

02:27:00.000 It's not the primary and the modeling is the problem.

02:27:02.000 Jamie, would you please?

02:27:04.000 So will you can I go but before we go any further?

02:27:06.000 If we didn't exist at all, uh if there was no industrial civilization, we existed like hunter-gatherers, would we have no impact?

02:27:14.000 Would it be the exact same thing, or would it be a fraction of a degree warmer because of human society?

02:27:21.000 I think we have to be honest.

02:27:23.000 Uh I don't have the numbers on this.

02:27:25.000 I think we have to just be honest and say we are contributing to some degree.

02:27:28.000 So you feel like it's a minor degree, and if even if we were hunter-gatherers, the same pattern of Earth warming would still be going on.

02:27:36.000 All we need to do is go back, there's an orange chart on there, Jamie.

02:27:39.000 And you look at the Jurassic Pleistocene, we weren't right.

02:27:42.000 So this is right here?

02:27:43.000 Yeah.

02:27:43.000 And you can see the black uh, I think is the is the black the CO2.

02:27:49.000 Yes, it says atmospheric CO2 and the blue is global temperature.

02:27:53.000 High it's been and look at the the the temperatures times when it's it's high.

02:27:58.000 Uh look in the orange over here when the CO2 is hard, the temperature is.

02:28:02.000 What's up, Jamie?

02:28:02.000 It's a five hundred million years ago.

02:28:04.000 I know, nuts, right?

02:28:05.000 Yeah.

02:28:06.000 So we weren't there.

02:28:06.000 And this is what you can see from.

02:28:08.000 So then again, we don't have like a lot of data from back then, do we?

02:28:10.000 What was going on?

02:28:11.000 Uh data comes from different sources.

02:28:13.000 You've got ice cores, and then you're I know I just thought I mean just how are they getting data from 500 million years ago?

02:28:19.000 You get it from seafloor sediments.

02:28:20.000 Jeez.

02:28:21.000 Is one of the things you can do there.

02:28:23.000 There's a little sea creature called the globodarina.

02:28:27.000 Are those tests getting better as we get like more recently in the now, I guess.

02:28:32.000 So so um we can go into this as as deep as you want.

02:28:36.000 What I'm want you to see here is there's not a direct correlation between CO2 and temperature in the past.

02:28:42.000 We can say that.

02:28:43.000 And we can also see that CO2 levels have been higher in the past than they are now.

02:28:48.000 Uh and Earth was lush, it was green.

02:28:53.000 Life was flourishing.

02:28:54.000 As Randall Carson always says, global cooling is what's really important.

02:28:58.000 Right.

02:28:59.000 Now I'm going to tie it back in to what we began this conversation with.

02:29:04.000 There's a concerted effort to remake the world and to remake our bodies.

02:29:10.000 If I did a little experiment in uh January of last year, and I said, okay, what if we met all of the climate goals?

02:29:19.000 What would Earth look like?

02:29:21.000 I'm not going to push back against them.

02:29:23.000 I just take to say what would if you just zero zero carbon.

02:29:27.000 We're only at 240 parts per million right now, which historically is low.

02:29:32.000 We're on the low end right now.

02:29:34.000 If we were to meet those goals, they want us to go back to we would meet the goals, it would push it back to about a hundred and or two hundred and thirty-six parts per million is what they're looking at.

02:29:47.000 A hundred and eighty parts per million is dangerously low.

02:29:52.000 So there, and this isn't something like you can just take a dial and and adjust a little bit here and there.

02:29:59.000 They are are pushing, if we were to meet those goals, Earth would have by the way, they're also pushing for global cooling of 10 degrees global average.

02:30:10.000 We're at 56 Fahrenheit global average right now.

02:30:14.000 They want 46 degrees.

02:30:16.000 The last time on Earth we had those kinds of temperatures and that kind of CO2 was the Pleistocene era.

02:30:23.000 It was not good for us.

02:30:25.000 It's not good for life.

02:30:26.000 It's not good for humans.

02:30:28.000 Who are they?

02:30:29.000 They are not.

02:30:30.000 Why would they want to do such a self-destructive thing?

02:30:33.000 Do they know this?

02:30:34.000 Do they know this data?

02:30:35.000 Aaron Powell Well, let's break it down.

02:30:38.000 Okay, let's step through this.

02:30:39.000 Climate.

02:30:40.000 Yes.

02:30:41.000 If we were to meet those climate goals, it's not good for us.

02:30:45.000 All right?

02:30:46.000 Let's put that as a human species.

02:30:49.000 As a human species.

02:30:49.000 Put that over here.

02:30:50.000 Okay.

02:30:51.000 We're being pushed for war.

02:30:53.000 And I think you can see that.

02:30:57.000 And the nations of the earth that have the capability for war are waging that war, and what's happening is we're depleting our resources as nations.

02:31:07.000 We are, and I just did a search on this the other night.

02:31:11.000 Uh the superpowers are dangerously low on weapons and on the ability humans to fight in those wars.

02:31:19.000 If Earth ever needed to fight, we don't have what we need right now.

02:31:24.000 So our weapons are being depleted.

02:31:26.000 Okay, let's put that over here.

02:31:29.000 Now there's a concerted effort to break the social bonds that have held us together as societies, as nations, as communities.

02:31:37.000 And that is working very successfully.

02:31:39.000 We're we're breaking down those borders.

02:31:41.000 That's not good for us.

02:31:43.000 That's not good for anyone.

02:31:45.000 Now you look at the transhuman movement to replace us with technology, with machines to debilitate our ability for critical thinking, our ability for imagination for creativity, uh, for all the reasons that we just talked about, use it or lose it. 1.00

02:32:06.000 When we give our power away to that technology, we're not the best version of ourselves.

02:32:11.000 That's not good for us.

02:32:13.000 None of those are good for us.

02:32:14.000 So if I said that to you, what would you say to me?

02:32:18.000 Who would that be good for?

02:32:21.000 If it's not good for us, who's it good for?

02:32:23.000 Satan.

02:32:25.000 Well, now is where you go back and you look at all those ancient texts.

02:32:29.000 You look at the the tr and depending on what language you're using, if you're looking at Sumerian texts, this world um was never ours to begin with, is what those texts say.

02:32:42.000 And there is a good argument that can be made that Earth is being modified in ways that are not necessarily good for us.

02:32:51.000 Who are they good for?

02:32:52.000 That there's a whole conversation that we can have, you know, around around that.

02:32:57.000 So you think climate is a part of this whole agenda of control?

02:33:02.000 I do.

02:33:02.000 Yeah.

02:33:03.000 Well, that's the same thing.

02:33:05.000 And it's not just my opinion.

02:33:06.000 I think the evidence supports that.

02:33:08.000 Because why would we want to push this planet back?

02:33:12.000 I mean, NASA says we're greener now than we have been in 20 years.

02:33:16.000 Why would we want to push this planet back to the environment of the Pleistocene era?

02:33:23.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:33:23.000 Well, we want to have control over things all the time.

02:33:26.000 And when you see certain areas that become too hot for a certain kind of agriculture or things change or certain lakes dry up.

02:33:34.000 There's things like that that happened that people freak out about because we want control.

02:33:38.000 That's why we want to bring animals back from extinction.

02:33:41.000 Like we we won't we want control over everything around us because it makes us feel better.

02:33:45.000 But the problem with this one is you're getting people that are saying we're gonna lower the earth temperature.

02:33:50.000 Like you didn't we didn't vote on that.

02:33:52.000 Like just because it's your idea and you people are moving in this direction, you have so much money, you're making a decision for literally eight people.

02:34:00.000 These are unelected, unelected officials.

02:34:02.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:34:02.000 It's nuts.

02:34:03.000 It's nuts that they think they could spray things in the sky to reflect particles, reflective particles to to dull out the sun and lower the temperature of the earth.

02:34:13.000 That's an insane notion.

02:34:16.000 Especially if we're moving in the cooler anyway.

02:34:18.000 But all of this, I mean, so now we've identified these things.

02:34:22.000 I think it's useless to be angry.

02:34:24.000 I think what we do is we recognize, Joe, that all of these applications of technology are a reflection of the way we've been conditioned to think about ourselves.

02:34:35.000 When we wake up to become the best version of ourselves, then we recognize it makes sense to go clean and green.

02:34:43.000 It makes sense to to grow our food differently.

02:34:45.000 It makes sense to have different kinds of energy because we recognize our relationship to ourselves and the world around us.

02:34:53.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

02:34:53.000 Right, not because we're being manipulated.

02:34:55.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:34:55.000 Exactly.

02:34:56.000 Exactly.

02:34:56.000 So this is it could be done the right way.

02:34:58.000 Like the real issue that we have as a society, one of the not the, but war is obviously the, but one of the big ones is pollution.

02:35:06.000 Like that is undeniable.

02:35:08.000 Oh yeah.

02:35:08.000 When you see like what's going on in India with some of those rivers where it's just the the entire river is just choked up with plastic.

02:35:16.000 I've been there.

02:35:17.000 I've seen that.

02:35:17.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:35:17.000 That is insane.

02:35:20.000 That as a as a human race that we allow that.

02:35:23.000 That's insane.

02:35:24.000 Like but then you look at places like is it Singapore, Jamie, that we watched that video where it was fascinating there I believe it's Singapore.

02:35:34.000 Um where they have like the most sophisticated recycling program.

02:35:39.000 Like unbelievably efficient.

02:35:42.000 And they take that stuff and use it to pave the roads.

02:35:45.000 They they burn things down, specific materials.

02:35:48.000 They have I mean, it's an insane job they do of of taking the the garbage.

02:35:53.000 So we know it's possible.

02:35:54.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:35:54.000 It is possible.

02:35:55.000 So everything we're talking about is a consequence of what happens when we give our humanness away and we believe that we are a flawed species and that we need something outside of ourselves to be the best version of ourselves, or that we believe we're powerless, so we say to someone else, fix it and make it better.

02:36:14.000 Right.

02:36:14.000 We're now, right now, and the AI is driving this conversation.

02:36:18.000 We are at the point where we are being asked by the conditions of the world to accept the deep truth of what it means to be human.

02:36:30.000 And in that humanness, when we accept our ability that there's a part of us that doesn't live in here, what that means is the more that we can honor the antenna, the gift of the body to access that.

02:36:45.000 We become healthier, we become the best version of ourselves.

02:36:48.000 We begin to live differently.

02:36:49.000 We begin to eat differently, we begin to recycle differently, we use energy differently.

02:36:54.000 Because we're living in the world a reflection of the new honor and respect that we have for the gift of our bodies.

02:37:03.000 And nobody's telling our young kids anything like this.

02:37:06.000 Aaron Powell No.

02:37:06.000 We have to protect our children.

02:37:08.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:37:08.000 It would help everybody just to think that way.

02:37:11.000 It would help everybody.

02:37:12.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Trevor Burrus, but no matter what you're trying to do with life.

02:37:14.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, this is but the AI right now is is the tip of the spear.

02:37:18.000 This is what they're using, they again the powers that be because we're so close, Joe, for the first time in A very long time on a mass level to awakening to what it means to be human.

02:37:35.000 There are pockets that are coming together, and we're saying no.

02:37:40.000 No to war.

02:37:40.000 We're saying I think in this generation, I think you will see us walk away from the use of war to solve our problems.

02:37:47.000 What happens if they throw a war and nobody nobody goes?

02:37:50.000 I think you're going to see that happen because people are saying this isn't right.

02:37:54.000 This isn't right.

02:37:54.000 Trevor Burrus, well, that's a very powerful message, and I hope you're right.

02:37:59.000 But if there was one thing that I feel like most people would bet on, is that there's always going to be war.

02:38:06.000 I think not the same.

02:38:07.000 Not the way we're seeing it, not the way we're seeing it right now.

02:38:09.000 Not the way this ties in to the disclosure conversation.

02:38:14.000 Because when you talk to the people behind the scenes in disclosure, we obviously I don't think anybody would have a problem with a flying saucer in an air Air Force hangar somewhere.

02:38:27.000 We've we've seen it in movies where you know I don't think anybody's surprised, but I don't think anybody's got a problem with with a gray alien, you know, in in an Air Force conference room somewhere.

02:38:39.000 But the implications, if we've had this relationship for so long, we know they didn't get here on a Chevy V8 engine.

02:38:48.000 I mean, they've got some pretty high tech.

02:38:50.000 Right.

02:38:51.000 Uh and what the part of the implications are that we are being asked to step up to become a different species to meet the intelligence that is being offered to us.

02:39:10.000 And there are different forms of that intelligence.

02:39:14.000 Some of that intelligence is prone to war.

02:39:17.000 And that's not the ones that we we want to necessarily um.

02:39:23.000 That's so hard to believe that they get so far they could travel from other places in the universe, yet they still have war.

02:39:29.000 That's the disappointing thing for me.

02:39:31.000 And so this is where we go back the ancient texts.

02:39:34.000 They begin with a war in the heavens, or what the Bible calls, you know, the the fall.

02:39:40.000 And the war is what destroyed a planet in our solar system.

02:39:44.000 I think Randall's probably talked about that.

02:39:46.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:39:46.000 Well, that's the the kooky theory about Mars, too, right?

02:39:48.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:39:49.000 Well, Mars used to have an atmosphere, it doesn't anymore, and they believe that there is a compelling argument that could be made for war destroying.

02:40:02.000 I think when we get there and we see the archaeological remnants that are there, uh I think we'll have the answer to that.

02:40:08.000 But that is scary, isn't it, Joe?

02:40:10.000 You have to be so advanced and still have the still allow differences to be so great that the only way to solve them is is to hurt one another and destroy one another.

02:40:23.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:40:23.000 But also makes for great science fiction movies.

02:40:26.000 Because without the war in space, you have no Star Trek.

02:40:30.000 You know, you have uh no Star Wars.

02:40:32.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:40:32.000 Well, maybe this is where we break that cycle.

02:40:34.000 Well, maybe maybe we wake up our humanness and we accept the power of human divinity and we accept what it means, uh and we imbue our children with a deep sense of of and a healthy sense that there's something very special about them worth preserving so that they care about themselves, and then that begins to inform the way we live in the world.

02:40:58.000 We would be living in a very, very different world.

02:41:00.000 I think you're right, and I think you saying that is very important because it gets that word out there and people start to consider it and think about it.

02:41:08.000 And I think that's the only way people find these things is for people like you come out and have these conversations and spark thoughts in people's heads, like maybe I'm thinking and behaving and living the wrong way.

02:41:19.000 And maybe maybe we could just become more united and more positive and recognize this incredible gift that we have of this life.

02:41:26.000 Trevor Burrus, Jr.

02:41:26.000 But look at what the science.

02:41:28.000 See, the science, the science is so compartmentalized.

02:41:32.000 And I saw this when I was working in even in the industry.

02:41:35.000 So a discovery is made in genetics and it stays in that genetic box and it gets published in some obscure the new way of thinking is looking at humans from an IT perspective.

02:41:50.000 So there are journals like the Journal of Soft Computing.

02:41:53.000 I didn't even talk about that.

02:41:54.000 The Journal of Soft Computing has just come out and said that human DNA, three-dimensional human DNA Is a fractal antenna.

02:42:02.000 Now what's that mean?

02:42:03.000 An antenna tunes to a signal, a fractal antenna tunes to a vast array of signals across the broad spectrum.

02:42:10.000 We got fifty trillion of them in our bodies.

02:42:12.000 And the journalists saying it, but who reads that?

02:42:14.000 Who's reading the Journal of Soft Computing?

02:42:16.000 Thank God you are.

02:42:17.000 Who has a beautiful hardbound copy of the Journal of Soft Computing next to their bed like I do?

02:42:23.000 laughter Well, the fact that you know it, you just told people, now people know.

02:42:30.000 But if we can begin seeing ourselves and really I think the greatest task that we're cherish, that we're that we're tasked with right now is to cherish an honor and care for the gift of the human body.

02:42:45.000 Because I believe it is a gift because there was an intervention that created the mutations that give us what we have today.

02:42:54.000 We don't know who or what, but we're not the product of natural evolution.

02:42:59.000 And until we understand fully what that is, Joe, why would we want to give that away to technology before we even know what it means to be human?

02:43:07.000 And once we give it away, we can never go back.

02:43:09.000 This is how you lose a species.

02:43:11.000 And I think we're worth preserving.

02:43:13.000 And my that's my message.

02:43:14.000 I I'm advocating for our humanness, for our divinity, for our love.

02:43:23.000 from all our forms of life.

02:43:24.000 And I think we're worth preserving.

02:43:26.000 I agree with you 100%.

02:43:28.000 And I appreciate you very much.

02:43:30.000 And thank you very much for coming on here.

02:43:32.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:43:32.000 Hey, let's do it again.

02:43:34.000 Are you saying we're finished?

02:43:35.000 Yeah, we're done.

02:43:36.000 We are almost three hours.

02:43:37.000 Oh wow.

02:43:38.000 Okay.

02:43:38.000 Is that crazy?

02:43:39.000 All right, Joe.

02:43:39.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:43:40.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:43:40.000 Thank you.

02:43:41.000 You know, thank you.

02:43:41.000 You are just an amazing listener.

02:43:44.000 And I appreciate the long format and the opportunity to flesh out these ideas in their entirety.

02:43:49.000 So thank you for that.

02:43:50.000 Well, it's my pleasure.

02:43:51.000 Thank you for being interesting so I could just listen.

02:43:53.000 It's like but it's yeah, you know, uh I only have people on the podcast that I'm interested in.

02:43:58.000 So uh when I saw a lot of your stuff online, I'm like, this guy's fascinating.

02:44:02.000 Well, thank you.

02:44:02.000 And it was great.

02:44:03.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:44:03.000 Thank you very much.

02:44:05.000 Thank you so much for that.

02:44:06.000 All right, thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 01, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2387 - Gregg Braden

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