The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2390 - Jack Carr

00:00:03.000 The Joe Logan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by Day, Joe Relgan podcast by night!

00:00:09.000 All day.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 How are you?

00:00:16.000 Always great to see you.

00:00:16.000 Great to see you.

00:00:18.000 I've been so looking forward to this.

00:00:19.000 We're going a thousand miles an hour for it seems like Me too, Mom.

00:00:22.000 And I've been really looking forward to talking to you about this book because I know that you've been obsessed.

00:00:26.000 You've been obsessed by this era in human history.

00:00:29.000 And tell us about it.

00:00:31.000 So this 1968 Vietnam.

00:00:31.000 Oh yeah.

00:00:33.000 And uh just launched the book tour, not last night, but the night before, because last night was comedy mothership, Kill Tony, which was amazing.

00:00:42.000 Did they vet any of those people by the way before they come up?

00:00:44.000 Yeah, didn't look insane people, brilliant people, great comics, terrible comics.

00:00:48.000 That was fantastic.

00:00:49.000 That's the best show.

00:00:50.000 That was fantastic.

00:00:50.000 But yeah, I kicked off the book tour with uh David Morel, who created Rambo back in 1972 with First Blood.

00:00:56.000 So that was a huge honor for me.

00:00:57.000 He's been an inspiration to me my whole life.

00:00:59.000 And uh wrote a series of books uh in the 80s Brotherhood of the Rose, Fraternity of the Stone, League of Night and Fog, which were just incredible.

00:01:06.000 And uh got to kick off the book tour with him out there, signed a baby for the first time.

00:01:09.000 I've never signed a baby, so someone brought a baby through and asked me to sign their kid.

00:01:13.000 I was like, it does.

00:01:15.000 And then uh then I realized they just wanted me to sign the shirt on the baby, which is a little better than the actual skin of the baby.

00:01:20.000 So uh so I did that.

00:01:22.000 That was uh two new tattoos came through.

00:01:24.000 So saw two new very large tattoos of crossed on the cross talk.

00:01:28.000 Yeah, nice.

00:01:28.000 That's crazy.

00:01:29.000 I mean, you've been had that for a while.

00:01:30.000 You've had people doing that for a while for you, but I remember the first time I got one.

00:01:33.000 I think it was after I think it was after that was on, or right around the same time the first time I was on, so like 2020, the first time I saw it, and I texted you and sent it.

00:01:40.000 And it was like someone tattooed the cross tomahawks on themselves.

00:01:42.000 And you know, I because I know you you've had that with uh with you for a while, and if it was weird the first time, some you see it.

00:01:48.000 Like now it's kind of must be kind of normal because a lot of people have tattoos of you.

00:01:51.000 It's not normal.

00:01:53.000 It's not normal.

00:01:55.000 You know, it's weird.

00:01:56.000 It's very weird.

00:01:57.000 They'll probably grow to regret them.

00:01:59.000 Never.

00:02:00.000 That doesn't happen with tattoos, does it?

00:02:01.000 No.

00:02:02.000 No.

00:02:02.000 Not mine.

00:02:03.000 I don't regret mine.

00:02:04.000 It's a life story.

00:02:04.000 I like mine.

00:02:05.000 It's a life story.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, it's you know, uh it depends on what you got.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, you know.

00:02:10.000 And timing and who maybe if you got someone's name on there that's no longer a part of your life.

00:02:14.000 Yeah, maybe the wife wants you to get that removed. 1.00

00:02:17.000 Perhaps turn it into a snake.

00:02:18.000 I've heard that exactly.

00:02:19.000 Exactly.

00:02:20.000 But uh but yeah, the book, 1968, Vietnam, and I thought this was gonna be the book that was gonna take me the least amount of time because I thought I had this foundation of knowledge when it comes to warfare, Vietnam in particular, those lessons.

00:02:33.000 Uh I've had the influence of popular culture when it comes to the 60s and Vietnam as well growing up, so I thought I was I was well prepared to dive into this world.

00:02:41.000 And I didn't want to just say that they're listening to Credence Clearwater Revival and that it's 1968, and then essentially drop a contemporary thriller into the 60s, into Vietnam, 1968.

00:02:51.000 Uh instead, I wanted someone who lived through that era to know that I put in the effort and any sentence had to be written through the lens of 1968 without the benefit of 50 plus years of hindsight.

00:03:01.000 So if someone is you know 70 years old, 50 years old, 20 years old, they only have their life experience up to that point to uh make a decision for perspective on an event.

00:03:12.000 Uh and that took a lot more time than I thought.

00:03:15.000 I got a dictionary from 1969.

00:03:17.000 Uh I couldn't find the one from 1968 I wanted, so I got a dictionary from 1969 to look how that how terms were defined back then, a lot of maps from the era, and it was just a took a lot longer, which is why we're here in October and not in January June when the book was supposed to come out.

00:03:31.000 Oh wow.

00:03:32.000 So what so when you get a dictionary from 1968, what is the difference?

00:03:37.000 Well, that's what I wanted to find.

00:03:38.000 Is there a lot of difference?

00:03:40.000 Uh I'm sure there is, but I was looking at just some specific terms that I can't even remember what they are right now.

00:03:45.000 And you just wanted to look them up through that.

00:03:47.000 I didn't want to look up to Google something today.

00:03:49.000 I wanted to be doing this research as if I was in the 60s.

00:03:52.000 And so if I needed to look something up, whether it was spelling or whatever else, I wanted to use that instead of like asking Google machine.

00:03:58.000 So I just wanted to transport myself back in time.

00:04:01.000 And uh yeah, that was that was quite the endeavor.

00:04:04.000 I didn't expect at the outset.

00:04:05.000 So I feel like this that war in particular is uh it's like World War II was what we think America is.

00:04:18.000 Vietnam is what America really is. 0.93

00:04:22.000 That is a very perceptive insight.

00:04:25.000 So World War II, we were fighting evil.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, we were stopping the rise Of Hitler and the Third Reich. 0.74

00:04:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:33.000 World World War II was just Vietnam was fucking nonsense. 0.99

00:04:40.000 And it's still to this day, it it infuriates people that participated in it. 0.99

00:04:45.000 It infuriates people who lost family members.

00:04:49.000 It does it didn't make any sense.

00:04:51.000 It was birthed on a lie.

00:04:53.000 It was a complete false flag event that our own government.

00:04:58.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 They they lied to us and told us that the Gulf of Tonkin, there was an incident where one of our battleships was attacked, and it wasn't.

00:05:07.000 It was all a lie. 0.99

00:05:09.000 And it was just to get us into this fucking war. 0.99

00:05:12.000 And there's a whole bunch of people that made a whole bunch of money and a bunch of people died. 0.99

00:05:18.000 And at the end of it, everybody felt broken.

00:05:20.000 And during it, there was a gigantic cultural revolution in the middle of it.

00:05:25.000 That's the real America. 0.50

00:05:27.000 Yeah, you know, it's uh it's something that I explore in the book, and the benefit of hindsight, it's certainly more um i it it's more not relevant, but uh you you can you can draw that out for sure at the benefit of hindsight.

00:05:44.000 And I'm trying to write this thing in 1968 from these guys.

00:05:47.000 So they're having these conversations with only that information.

00:05:50.000 So they don't yet know who's making a ton of money.

00:05:52.000 They're not knowing about Bell helicopters and and all the rest of this stuff.

00:05:55.000 They're not they don't really know yet about Gulf of Tonkin.

00:05:58.000 Um they just know that 1968 is the bloodiest year thus far of the war, and it's gonna be the bloodiest year of the war so far, which is why I said it in that year.

00:06:06.000 How many people died that year?

00:06:07.000 Uh yeah, well, 58 over 58,000 in total.

00:06:10.000 And I forget uh exactly how many for that particular year, but we lost more people that year and had more people wounded than in any other year of the war.

00:06:16.000 But over 58,000 people died in Vietnam on our side, to say nothing of the Vietnam.

00:06:21.000 Um NVA, Viet Cong, civilians, you know, all put together, but uh certainly a lot more than 58,000.

00:06:28.000 Um over what?

00:06:30.000 Yeah, looking back, so I'm trying to look at it uh through the lens of the day.

00:06:34.000 And when you look at that, the domino thing, we look back and say, and of course the rest of the world wouldn't have fallen to communism.

00:06:40.000 Um but at the time I trying to put myself into the shoes of the people making these decisions.

00:06:44.000 And uh there at least for Southeast Asia, there was the threat of other countries falling.

00:06:50.000 Even if they did, would that have meant anything long term for the rest of us today?

00:06:55.000 It's it's hard to say that it would have.

00:06:57.000 But uh it I mean the whole thing is so is so heartbreaking.

00:07:00.000 Um and you're right, when we got back from from World War II, uh those guys had parades, they got back to work, they used the GI Bill, they built this country into what it is today.

00:07:09.000 Uh Vietnam, those guys, it was looked at like they went bankrupt.

00:07:12.000 It was like a company going bankrupt.

00:07:14.000 and not only that when they came back they were called baby killers they were met at the airport by protesters They had all that to deal with, all of that baggage to deal with.

00:07:23.000 And uh and that left a scar in an entire generation.

00:07:25.000 It really, you know, a lot of that started with the Kennedy assassination in 1963, and then we move on into the war, and this becomes the first televised war.

00:07:32.000 So there were photographs of the Civil War, um, there's uh photographs, uh World War I, World War II, we're getting the news reels when you go to the movies on Saturday and see the matinee and you're getting those.

00:07:42.000 But that's a very different type of way to get your news uh because you're seeing it once a week, or you're seeing a still photograph in a paper.

00:07:49.000 Uh, then we get to Vietnam, and now you're seeing it every day on the news.

00:07:52.000 You're seeing Walter Cronkite there give you that news, and you're watching these guys in foxholes and you're seeing this shooting and you're seeing this chaos.

00:07:59.000 And then also the media, I think this is the first time where the media realizes they have not they're not just a uh a pillar as a check on government, they realize at this point that they actually have power to influence events and policy.

00:08:12.000 So how they report from Vietnam, very different from how reporters, even in Korea, but let's say World War II, very different from how reporters uh reported on that war.

00:08:21.000 And now I think in Vietnam you have these guys in Saigon and they realize and they're staying at these amazing hotels and they're partying it up at night, and some of them are going to the outskirts of town, so it looks like they're out in the rice patties or whatever, and then they're going back to their hotel for for drinks.

00:08:34.000 But they realize during this time that they can influence policy, and so that's what we see with the Tet Offensive.

00:08:38.000 We see that as a complete is a complete tactical win for the United States, but it becomes a loss for us, a huge strategic loss for us because of the way that it's reported.

00:08:48.000 And the uh the media is involved in that.

00:08:50.000 So they didn't know it before.

00:08:52.000 The media distorted what was going on.

00:08:52.000 What was the issue?

00:08:55.000 Yeah, the media media were distorted what was what was going on and uh and talked about this huge victory for the uh for the NVA and uh for for North Vietnam.

00:09:04.000 And it it wasn't really, but it was when they reported it that way.

00:09:09.000 And then we see more of America turning against this war and uh and and policy shifts and more people shipped into Vietnam.

00:09:16.000 So it's uh I mean it's the whole thing is so is so sad, and I try to rehumanize it and personalize it in this book because you can read about I think that's what the importance of reading fiction also because you're you can it you get a compassion there uh and an empathy for people because you're living something through their eyes, even though it's fiction, uh that you don't get really through through nonfiction.

00:09:35.000 You can read about all these numbers, you can read about 58,000, but when you read a story like this, uh then you're getting to know these characters and you're going through this thing with them, and that but then it becomes a part of your experience.

00:09:46.000 Uh so even say, let's say Buds going through going through SEAL training.

00:09:50.000 Yeah, I'm I I'm thinking back to Normandy and I'm thinking back to to uh to Iwo Jima, I'm thinking back to Vietnam and what these guys had to go through, and then I'm realizing I can do a few more push-ups in the sand here in Cornado, California.

00:10:01.000 Oh, those guys died and sacrificed so much so that I could be here.

00:10:04.000 But some of that comes through the uh works of fiction too, the thrillers that I was reading growing up from guys who had backgrounds in Vietnam or just from things they're dealing with in contemporary thrillers of the day.

00:10:14.000 But that became part of my experience, and I didn't have to uh and it it's almost like you're living it, even though it's all made up.

00:10:19.000 So uh that's the important of the important of reading in general, and the speaking of reading.

00:10:24.000 When we go when we look at 2003 to 2025 and the drop off in reading that has occurred, that is scary.

00:10:31.000 Is the do you think that's because of the internet?

00:10:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:34.000 I mean, it's quite uh it corresponds uh almost directly with the rise of the smartphone.

00:10:39.000 And uh, and of course it continues to drop today.

00:10:41.000 So I think I'm getting into publishing and Hollywood in probably one of the worst times in the last hundred years that one could decide to do something like this with AI and all and all the rest of it.

00:10:49.000 It's uh and less people reading and less people, there's no backside there's no box office for movies anymore.

00:10:54.000 No, the worst time to get into it is tomorrow.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, good point.

00:10:58.000 I'm gonna way better that you already have the terminalist and the dark wolf on TV.

00:11:03.000 Right, yeah.

00:11:04.000 Yeah, you're way better off.

00:11:06.000 Trying today, they'd be like, We have no use for scripts.

00:11:09.000 We wrote our own, we wrote a hundred scripts in the time it took you to walk up the stairs.

00:11:09.000 Oh man.

00:11:13.000 Oh man, I know.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, we pr put in prompts.

00:11:16.000 I want a Vietnam thriller involving uh handsome football player who tries to go do the best for his country, but realizes like Pat Tillman style gets disillusioned when he gets there.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, I mean, that's it's uh it's a thing.

00:11:28.000 I think I'm CAA, my talent agency just sent me a thing the other day and said that uh one of these uh open AI deals, they I think it was a 1.5 billion dollar settlement or something, and that that they'd use my books, and I'm sure they've used this podcast, I'm sure they've used all sorts of things.

00:11:41.000 But uh, but the settlement out of that for me is possibly a thousand dollars.

00:11:45.000 Congratulations.

00:11:46.000 And uh I thought, well, my attorney's gonna run that money.

00:11:46.000 Well, thank you.

00:11:49.000 Is my attorney only gonna take an hour to do this?

00:11:50.000 Because that's about makes it a uh you know a watch.

00:11:54.000 Exactly.

00:11:54.000 So uh but then do you not do it because then they just hold them up?

00:11:57.000 I don't know.

00:11:58.000 It's it's crazy.

00:11:59.000 Take the thousand.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, but they have to pay like six thousand to get the thousand.

00:12:03.000 I would think they're gonna spend they're gonna spend like six hours.

00:12:07.000 I don't think so.

00:12:08.000 I mean, if I even asked the question, the thousand's gone. 1.00

00:12:11.000 Cut me a check, bitch. 1.00

00:12:12.000 It's I don't think it works that way. 0.99

00:12:13.000 Oh, so I don't even know.

00:12:14.000 But the AI part is interesting.

00:12:16.000 I was talking to um so I was in Morocco filming uh True Believer, yeah, just a couple weeks ago.

00:12:21.000 So we finished up filming out there with Pratt and everybody, it was amazing.

00:12:24.000 And uh and I yep from Morocco you fly through France on the way home.

00:12:28.000 So I stopped in Paris for a few days, met my wife out there, met some other friends out there, went to a bunch of dinners and things like that.

00:12:33.000 But one of them's got named Rick Rosenfield, he started California Pizza Kitchen back in 1985, and uh they were gonna put one in one of the win hotels in Vegas, and uh we're talking about AI, and that's how this this plays in here.

00:12:44.000 And he said he told me the story, and I'll get this is the general gist, it might be not the exact detail, but the general gist is right.

00:12:50.000 They're gonna put one into one of the win casinos.

00:12:52.000 And so he goes in there with uh with Steve Wynne and they're walking through and Waylon Jennings is with them.

00:12:57.000 So they're all there's three these three guys, Steve Wynn, Rick Rosenfield, and Waylon Jennings, and they go in and Steve Wynn says, Hey, uh Waylon, we have this cover band, we have this guy that does just your cover tunes.

00:13:06.000 He's a huge fan of yours, and I'd appreciate it if you said you said hi to him.

00:13:10.000 And Waylon Jennings is like, yeah, no problem.

00:13:12.000 So the cover band guy is like Jalen Wennings or something, let's call him that.

00:13:15.000 I don't know what his real name is.

00:13:17.000 But uh sits down and they're having drinks, and the guy's like, I I love I love all your stuff.

00:13:21.000 Thank you so much.

00:13:22.000 I hope it's okay that that I'm doing these cover bands, but you're I just idolize you.

00:13:25.000 And Waylon Jennings is sitting there, he goes, Oh yeah, no, no problem.

00:13:29.000 Uh only there is one problem though, uh, with what you're doing.

00:13:31.000 And the guy's like, Well, what?

00:13:33.000 And he said, You're always one album behind.

00:13:35.000 And I was like, oh.

00:13:36.000 And this guy told me the story in the context of AI and someone using my books to write another book that is has a similar tone.

00:13:43.000 Or write this in the style of Jack Carr with some prompts.

00:13:46.000 And I was saying that I was a little concerned about this and just don't know what's going to happen in the future.

00:13:50.000 And he told me that story.

00:13:51.000 And so I'm like, oh, that's fantastic.

00:13:53.000 They're always gonna be a book behind.

00:13:56.000 Yeah, but AI is not a cover band.

00:13:58.000 AI's a lot smarter than us.

00:14:00.000 That's the problem.

00:14:02.000 The problem is, you know, I don't know if you're paying attention to what it's been doing with music.

00:14:07.000 But like so, Jamie, show them some of the interviews.

00:14:10.000 Some of the interviews that you made.

00:14:12.000 I showed them up there.

00:14:13.000 Those are crazy.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:14.000 So Muhammad Ali.

00:14:14.000 This is crazy.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 Yeah, Michael Jackson.

00:14:17.000 On the podcast.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, Michael Jackson on the podcast.

00:14:20.000 And it's not, it's not difficult for it to do stuff like that.

00:14:24.000 And so that we're not talking about a cover band.

00:14:27.000 We're talking about someone that can do something or something that can accomplish a task that human beings can't.

00:14:33.000 Man, well now I'm bummed out again.

00:14:35.000 I was all positive a second ago.

00:14:36.000 Play that.

00:14:38.000 This is so crazy.

00:14:42.000 But never doubting yourself.

00:14:43.000 You still carry that mindset.

00:14:44.000 Oh, it's in me for everybody.

00:14:45.000 You don't stop being the champion just because the bell ain't ringing.

00:14:48.000 When you sit down like this with a microphone, you can't hide anything.

00:14:52.000 Your breathing, your hesitation, even your heartbeat comes true.

00:14:56.000 If you try to be someone, you don't grow up with nothing, man.

00:14:59.000 You learn quickly, you can trust every smile, every handshake you wave.

00:15:04.000 They might they might figure that one out.

00:15:04.000 That's terrible.

00:15:06.000 It helps them.

00:15:07.000 That's terrible.

00:15:08.000 Do you ever notice how life sneak up on you like a bill, you forgot your head?

00:15:08.000 That's someone else.

00:15:11.000 One day you're cool, next day you're gonna be a little bit more than that.

00:15:12.000 That's terrible at this responsibility on my porch.

00:15:15.000 Stop that.

00:15:15.000 But there are some that are the first time.

00:15:17.000 Stop that.

00:15:18.000 That's not Richard Pryor's voice.

00:15:23.000 The trick is figuring out how to join in without losing your own.

00:15:26.000 I would say hearing it through these ones now.

00:15:28.000 You can hear that weird tinge.

00:15:30.000 Like that's supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald, doesn't really look like them.

00:15:33.000 A little bit like a really young Lee Harvey Oswald. 0.99

00:15:37.000 Anyway, uh we're fucked. 1.00

00:15:39.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:15:40.000 We're fucked. 1.00

00:15:41.000 Bottom line is and music is really fucked. 1.00

00:15:44.000 Like we were playing this uh 50 cent cover. 0.99

00:15:46.000 Yeah, they did a song the song Many Men, but they did it with like a soul singer from like the 1950s or 1960s.

00:15:53.000 It's incredible.

00:15:54.000 It's like one of my favorite songs.

00:15:54.000 It's so good.

00:15:56.000 Really?

00:15:56.000 It's not even a real person.

00:15:58.000 That's insane.

00:15:58.000 It's not even a real person.

00:16:00.000 We're aware of it.

00:16:00.000 It's so good.

00:16:01.000 We were all in the green room the other night.

00:16:02.000 We're like, if this guy was a real dude, he would be like biggest star in the world right now.

00:16:07.000 Because everybody would want to hear him sing.

00:16:09.000 I mean, Millie Vanilli just did it a little too early. 1.00

00:16:11.000 Well, Millie Vanilli just lip synced. 1.00

00:16:14.000 You know, this is a totally different experience.

00:16:16.000 This is like they're gonna create stuff with your voice better than anything you can do.

00:16:20.000 Oh, it's so brutal.

00:16:22.000 But for the kids, at least we're aware of it.

00:16:23.000 So we can choose.

00:16:24.000 Maybe we can choose.

00:16:25.000 It's gonna be hard to fit like some of these things, it's gonna be hard to figure out at some point.

00:16:28.000 But I almost think there needs to be remember the parental advisories in the 80s, they put on CDs and stuff like that back then.

00:16:33.000 Like at least you know, like if I want to go and I want to buy this piece of art right here, and I walk into that store and I love this thing, and I put it in my house and it's there for 10 years, and I show everybody that comes in.

00:16:42.000 But what if that thing is I don't know that no one actually made that.

00:16:46.000 That was just uh AI made that.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, and I find out ten years later.

00:16:49.000 Did that what is that different?

00:16:50.000 Is that a different experience now for me?

00:16:51.000 Do I feel cheated?

00:16:52.000 I don't know.

00:16:53.000 You should feel cheated.

00:16:54.000 Yeah.

00:16:54.000 But if you but if you buy it, there has to be a little thing on it.

00:16:57.000 I don't know, that tells you, and then you're aware.

00:16:58.000 Well, part of what art is is someone made it.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, that's what makes it it kind of cool.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, you know, if it was made by a computer, it doesn't seem I don't it doesn't have a piece of a person in it, you know.

00:17:09.000 And are people gonna care?

00:17:10.000 Like our kids, are they gonna care?

00:17:12.000 I don't know because I don't care about that song, so I don't know what to say. 0.89

00:17:15.000 It's like I don't want to be a hypocrite, but it's uh it's inevitable.

00:17:19.000 It's happening. 0.90

00:17:20.000 You know, you're gonna have to deal with it and adapt.

00:17:22.000 And I think what it means to be a person is going to change.

00:17:25.000 Oh that's so brutal.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, I I don't think it's possible to avoid change.

00:17:30.000 And this is the direction that change is going.

00:17:32.000 And so uh at your essence, like what are you and who are you?

00:17:36.000 You have to search for that in different ways.

00:17:40.000 And you're probably not gonna be able to search for it the same way through music and books if you find out that these music and books weren't actually written by like-minded people.

00:17:48.000 Or is it that the the lessons and the the energy, say the energy of the music and the lessons of the books, it is from people Because what AI's done is they've absorbed all of the art that everyone has ever created ever in terms of literature and music and even comedy and whatever.

00:18:11.000 And it's combined it together in a style that's completely variable.

00:18:18.000 You can have it like Amy Winehouse, you can make it sound like Biggie Smalls.

00:18:22.000 You can make it sound like anything.

00:18:23.000 But it is all it's imitating everything that humans have created and would still will still affect humans and maybe inspire us more and maybe put a premium on something that's created by an actual human and not by AI.

00:18:41.000 Maybe it'll become more valuable.

00:18:44.000 Hope so.

00:18:44.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 Hope so.

00:18:45.000 But the books on like hey, this is made by an actual human, no AI was used.

00:18:48.000 I haven't used it yet.

00:18:49.000 I haven't used uh chat GPT or anything like that.

00:18:51.000 I can barely update my word.

00:18:53.000 Like keep my word uh updated, that's the main thing.

00:18:53.000 That's what I want to do.

00:18:56.000 But I know a lot of people that are that are using it and love it.

00:18:58.000 And they have a relationship with this thing.

00:19:00.000 Yeah, I use perplexity for questions on the show now.

00:19:03.000 It's a sponsor, and so like every time we have questions, we'll look it's a valuable resource.

00:19:08.000 I feel like uh especially for someone who does something like this, it'd be crazy to not use something like that.

00:19:13.000 I don't think it's everyone's thinks that change is bad.

00:19:16.000 Everyone's scared of change.

00:19:17.000 They were scared of the printing press.

00:19:19.000 I mean, people have been scared of the wheel, they were scared of the locomotive.

00:19:21.000 People are scared of everything.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 I'm not scared of it.

00:19:24.000 Um I'm I I'm scared that it could potentially fuck up society, but uh I feel like that's just what's gonna happen.

00:19:32.000 You know, it's just we go through cycles.

00:19:35.000 Go to Rome.

00:19:36.000 Go look around.

00:19:37.000 What happened?

00:19:38.000 Where'd everybody go?

00:19:39.000 You know, there's there's still people living here, but that society that built that fell apart.

00:19:39.000 Right.

00:19:44.000 Same thing with Athens, same thing with many, many, many places in the world.

00:19:48.000 Societies crumble.

00:19:49.000 There's a cycle.

00:19:50.000 We were not immune to that cycle because we're aware of it.

00:19:53.000 They are aware of it too.

00:19:55.000 Yeah.

00:19:55.000 They were all aware of crumbling civilizations and once great civilizations that had fallen.

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00:20:52.000 But I think if you learned a if you learn to think for yourself, you think logically.

00:20:56.000 If you read kids today, if they put that down that phone and just read, that is a superpower.

00:21:02.000 They will get out there and crush.

00:21:03.000 Read, work out, do some MMA, BJJ stuff, do a little boxing, but read, you are going to uh excel just leave everyone else in the dust when it comes to whatever you want to do next in life, out of high school, out of college, whatever it is.

00:21:16.000 Uh if you have that foundation, then you're wondering to be a more empathetic and passionate person, but you're gonna have this knowledge base that other people are are uh relying on chat GPT or whatever it is, uh their phone, whatever, to do that thinking for them.

00:21:31.000 Yeah, it's um amazing how many people just don't consume any nonfiction or fiction.

00:21:37.000 They don't consume anything but like TikTok and Netflix.

00:21:40.000 Yes, it is absolutely nuts.

00:21:43.000 Like I said about the the time uh enter it to enter publishing.

00:21:46.000 Um if you were I think the a great time is the nineties for that because you had let's see, Michael Crichton, and then you had John Grisham, like every other year there was some Michael Crichton movie and then a John Grisham movie, and they had the best directors, actors of the day, uh producers of the day, and then people bought books they were still reading back then because there yet wasn't yet the internet, there wasn't yet all these other things that distract you.

00:22:05.000 So those guys got to crush.

00:22:06.000 That was like I think that was maybe the golden age of being an author uh and adapting your stuff to to film or television, mostly film back then.

00:22:13.000 But those guys got to crush.

00:22:15.000 And uh today not as not as much.

00:22:17.000 But it's fun though.

00:22:17.000 It's still fun to create, still fun to do all this, still fun to be in Morocco doing this stuff and there's guys like you that are still doing it.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, you know, it's still it's still doable.

00:22:25.000 Yep, still doable, that's for sure.

00:22:26.000 But uh you did the right Way though.

00:22:30.000 You know, you did it on Amazon.

00:22:32.000 They gave you a lot of creative freedom.

00:22:34.000 You got great people to work with.

00:22:36.000 That's the right way.

00:22:38.000 I mean, I'm a big fan of the gray man series.

00:22:40.000 I think he does uh he's a great writer, but his stuff is so much more violent and gritty than what was portrayed in the film.

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 The film glossed it up and you know and made it a little pretty.

00:22:54.000 Right.

00:22:54.000 That's what happens for the most part.

00:22:55.000 It's uh Carl Island.

00:22:57.000 Did you see a bad monkey with uh with uh Vince Vaughn?

00:23:00.000 No.

00:23:01.000 So it's on Apple.

00:23:02.000 And uh he's a a cop that's uh kind of down on his luck and he's uh he's on suspension or whatever, and uh he lives in the Keys, so it has that whole keys vibe, and they film it down there, and so you recognize if you've been there, you recognize all these places.

00:23:14.000 But uh Carl Hyaston is the author, and he he has he's uh he has this uh he's very unique style.

00:23:19.000 But what he says about Hollywood is he drives to the border of California, he throws his book over the border, they throw a bunch of money back at him and he drives back to back to Florida, and that's how and whatever happens, happens.

00:23:28.000 You know, it's uh so that's that's one way to look at it.

00:23:31.000 But most authors aren't involved in their in their in uh in whatever happens.

00:23:34.000 They like to get rid of that author right away so you're not on set saying you ruined my vision.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, I get that.

00:23:39.000 I could I get that, but it seems like what you're doing is better because you're involved in it, and then it reaches your vision.

00:23:45.000 Or as close as you're gonna get.

00:23:46.000 You help add value.

00:23:48.000 Yeah, you want to make it the best show you possibly can.

00:23:50.000 Yeah, when I saw the terminal list, I was like, this is about as close as you can get and do a TV show in you know, and not have it rated you know, NC17, like super hypergraphic.

00:24:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:02.000 But you know, it's uh it's way harder to do that in a movie.

00:24:08.000 Because you only wait an hour and a half, two hours.

00:24:10.000 Your books take hours to read.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 And we have seven hours for Dark Wolf, eight hours for uh for the terminal list, we'll have eight hours for True Believer.

00:24:17.000 That's right.

00:24:17.000 That's the way to do it.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 And that one, I that has the hunting stuff in it.

00:24:20.000 So once again, now I think if we'd like for some reason, if we'd started with that, or if I'd started with that as a book, that it would have been much more difficult because Amazon uh would have been much more hesitant.

00:24:28.000 But since we had a success with the terminal list, now they're taking this risk with us.

00:24:32.000 Uh just like my publisher did.

00:24:33.000 It would have been very easy as a publisher to say, hey, just do what you did in that first book.

00:24:36.000 That was successful.

00:24:37.000 So just take that same kind of stuff and just drop it maybe internationally or something like that.

00:24:41.000 Right.

00:24:41.000 Instead, I had this whole journey across in the book, It's the Atlantic and the show It's gonna be the Pacific.

00:24:46.000 But going across this, this uh this journey of violent redemption, he still thinks he's gonna die, gets to Mozambique, still thinks he's gonna die, doesn't die yet, and so because he has his tumor and then uses the skills from Iraq and Afghanistan to help with the poaching problem over there.

00:24:59.000 And then the book really the s actual story kicks off from there.

00:25:02.000 But I thought it was gonna be would be disingenuous to the reader to have this character that went through all the things that he went through in the terminal list, all this traumatic stuff, losing his family, losing his whole troop in Afghanistan, and then all of a sudden he's okay and just out to save the world in the next book.

00:25:14.000 And uh so I had to take him on this journey.

00:25:16.000 And I kind of thought that my a my editor and publisher would say, Hey, cut out the first third of this book and we got something here.

00:25:21.000 Instead, they didn't say any of that, and uh they took this risk with me, and it really differentiated that book and me as an author.

00:25:27.000 And now Amazon's doing the same thing.

00:25:29.000 So we have Chris Pratt going across the ocean, he's got this crazy long hair, he lost a ton of weight for this thing, he's like battling the storms and his demons, and uh then gets to Mozambique and same thing, goes through this second episode where he's out there doing this poacher thing, using his skills out there, and we filmed in Africa, so we got these amazing just the landscapes, beautiful.

00:25:47.000 It's probably one of the most beautiful uh uh visions of Africa that I've ever seen on film.

00:25:51.000 It's just incredible.

00:25:52.000 And Chris Pratt Chris is totally into it, of course, and the guy who got to play Rich Hastings, I don't know if we can say his name yet, but uh he's just awesome.

00:25:59.000 He is so good.

00:26:00.000 And uh so he's kind of like the older guy kind of mentoring James Reese along, Chris Pratt, and uh and he's a guy's guy.

00:26:06.000 Like he uh I'll say his name, Arnold Vosslou.

00:26:09.000 And uh so he's the b the bad guy from Blood Diamond and uh the mummy, and uh just such an awesome guy.

00:26:15.000 And he's a guy, he's like one of us.

00:26:17.000 And so you didn't need to tell him like what to do with the rifle, like he knew.

00:26:20.000 He knew what to do with that double rifle.

00:26:21.000 He's he's not messing around.

00:26:23.000 So uh so it was so fun to do that.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:25.000 But that is a risk that Amazon's taking is to do those first two episodes to invest all this money in this thing where yeah, it has something to do with the development of the character, but not really to do with the rest of the story in him than save the world.

00:26:36.000 Uh but they went along with it.

00:26:37.000 And uh and that's that's because they saw the numbers from the first from the first season.

00:26:41.000 And they'll never share those numbers with us, but uh we know what they are because there have been like almost no notes in this one.

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 Like the first one, there was notes constantly.

00:26:48.000 Like they didn't want Chris to get somebody.

00:26:50.000 They were very they they didn't want that to happen, and then we did it anyway, and they uh they ended up being on every billboard in LA for the opening month.

00:26:56.000 Of course.

00:26:56.000 Uh all that they didn't want the uh the Secretary of Defense to die.

00:26:59.000 They didn't want so uh there was all sorts of things that uh that they they were very nervous about, but they ended up going with us, they ended up trusting us.

00:27:05.000 But now we didn't have to fight for it in the second season of Dark Wolf because we have that trust.

00:27:09.000 So that's that's pretty cool.

00:27:10.000 That is nice.

00:27:11.000 That's that's the beautiful thing about a successful series.

00:27:14.000 They leave you alone.

00:27:15.000 gives you more freedom. 1.00

00:27:16.000 Don't fuck it up. 0.97

00:27:16.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.97

00:27:18.000 Instead of like we gotta make it better because it's not a hit, it's don't fuck it up.

00:27:21.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:27:22.000 You had Taylor and Taylor was here.

00:27:24.000 So what a great guy.

00:27:25.000 Such a good dude.

00:27:26.000 Exactly.

00:27:26.000 He's so cool.

00:27:27.000 So it's so different than like that character that he plays in American Prime Will is so scary.

00:27:33.000 So good.

00:27:34.000 So good, so realistic. 1.00

00:27:36.000 Like you really believe he's a fucking savage. 0.99

00:27:39.000 Like you really believe everything about it, the way he fucks people up, like what he even what he looks like. 1.00

00:27:45.000 Like he talked about how much weight he lost for that. 0.82

00:27:48.000 When he takes his clothes off and you see the scars all over his body, like, whoa.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, they went through it on that one.

00:27:53.000 And too, yeah.

00:27:54.000 Pete Berg was on, was on the biggest.

00:27:57.000 He's awesome.

00:27:57.000 It's like when you see that, you like you believe that guy.

00:28:00.000 I'm like, that guy looks like someone who would be living like that back then.

00:28:05.000 And uh and he got beat up on that.

00:28:05.000 Oh yeah.

00:28:07.000 He went right from that into our show where he gets beat up again.

00:28:09.000 And uh we had to do this show, this thing in episode four where I have my cameo where I get stitched up the side and get uh killed.

00:28:14.000 I got part of it to be part of the stunt man killed again.

00:28:16.000 I got killed again.

00:28:17.000 Yeah, yeah, I got I get killed in True Believer too, and it's a good one.

00:28:20.000 It's uh But are people gonna see that it's you this time? 0.57

00:28:22.000 You gotta give yourself a fake nose.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:24.000 It's the same.

00:28:25.000 It's kind of like uh we're kind of making a little thing about the show, like I always die.

00:28:29.000 Stephen King does like I don't think he dies in him, though.

00:28:31.000 I think they just kind of do a He's been in a bunch of his movies.

00:28:34.000 He doesn't die in his movies, not who killed Kenny.

00:28:36.000 Exactly.

00:28:36.000 So this would be this would be a little different.

00:28:38.000 Our twist on it, or our take on it.

00:28:39.000 That's awesome.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, so that's fun to do that stuff.

00:28:41.000 But Taylor had to run through this uh cobblestone, these cobblestone streets through this tunnel, uh, and that's the one where I get stitched up and and fall over, so I get the little stuntman pay out of that.

00:28:50.000 That might uh quite a not quite a thousand dollars, I don't think, for take taking that big fall.

00:28:54.000 Bro, nobody works harder than stunt man. 0.98

00:28:56.000 Seriously, those guys and girls take a friggin' beating. 1.00

00:28:59.000 They take a fucking beating. 1.00

00:29:01.000 They really did horrible. 1.00

00:29:02.000 Episode five, maybe, maybe six.

00:29:04.000 There's a there's a um uh with uh uh uh this guy and the big big dude uh and uh and one of the girls in the show getting this this uh fight in this apartment. 0.99

00:29:13.000 I don't know if you saw that that episode, but the stunt person who got thrown into this refrigerator.

00:29:18.000 Oh my it was and there was like a tiny little pad in the refrigerator, and she just gets thrown into this thing. 1.00

00:29:23.000 And uh we try to keep every fights realistic, so we made a very uh deliberate decision at the beginning of the terminal list not to do the John Wick style because you just don't want to do John Wick style, but not as good.

00:29:32.000 You know, you don't want to have everything authentic and realistic and then have this choreographed uh fight sequence that everyone that looks visually stunning but is not really uh realistic for anybody who's ever been in a fight or watched UFC or anything like that.

00:29:44.000 Um so we so we wanted to make sure that these things are are are primal, visceral, and uh just physical and brutal.

00:29:52.000 And uh but it's a smaller girl against this huge guy, so we didn't want to have that like the girl power thing, and all of a sudden people roll their eyes and say, you know, one punch from this guy and she's done.

00:30:01.000 Uh so she shoots him like three times before the fight, as he's rushing in on her. 1.00

00:30:04.000 So okay, we're gonna we're gonna uh we're gonna even this out.

00:30:06.000 And still some people got upset about it online.

00:30:08.000 They're like, how could she uh you know, how did she, you know, uh best this guy in a fight?

00:30:13.000 He's huge.

00:30:13.000 And well, because she shot him three times and then in the fourth time in the middle of the fight, and she takes a beating.

00:30:18.000 And uh, but the stunt the stunt lady who did this was amazing, and she she took a beating too, especially when she got thrown into that fridge. 1.00

00:30:24.000 God, especially stunt women. 1.00

00:30:26.000 That's even harder.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:27.000 Yeah, yeah, that was and it's hard to watch because you're talking to him and then they go on set and do their thing, and you're like, oh, but you feel like you know them now, so you feel like you just know this person that's now getting beat up, and you're watching from that video village, and you're like, oh, just cringing seeing this stuff.

00:30:39.000 Uh but it's good, it came out came out fantastic.

00:30:41.000 That's why guys like Tom Cruise are so nuts. 0.83

00:30:43.000 So he does his own stunts. 0.99

00:30:45.000 So crazy.

00:30:46.000 He's worth a billion dollars and he jumps off roofs. 1.00

00:30:49.000 He jumps from rooftop to rooftop and breaks his fucking ankle. 1.00

00:30:53.000 Did you ever see that? 1.00

00:30:54.000 Oh, Mission Pot.

00:30:55.000 Sure.

00:30:55.000 Shatters his ankle and then keeps running.

00:30:57.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 From falling out, I think.

00:30:58.000 Keeps running.

00:31:00.000 See the ankle shatter.

00:31:01.000 You see the ankle, hit the side.

00:31:03.000 Yeah, and you can see him humble.

00:31:04.000 See it give in.

00:31:05.000 You see the ankle give in. 1.00

00:31:06.000 He'll go, that ankle's fucked. 1.00

00:31:08.000 And then he lands on it, and he just fucking hobbles off running. 1.00

00:31:11.000 And save the scene. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Yep. 0.99

00:31:12.000 Yep.

00:31:13.000 Actually, watched it on the plane back because there we did a uh uh my flight like last second, so I was in uh economy between two people, and so when I do that, I can't work.

00:31:22.000 And uh so on like a 10-hour flight, uh I decided to watch the movie, so I watched Fallout again just because of that, because I wanted to see if I could tell what was filmed after and what was filmed before that sequence.

00:31:32.000 And it's hard to tell.

00:31:33.000 It's really hard to tell how much they filmed after he shatters his ankle and limps off because you see him kind of limp off.

00:31:38.000 But then he's running again.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, you're like, what?

00:31:40.000 How did so yeah, that's amazing.

00:31:42.000 They probably just got a court his own shot, Tape it up, tape it up.

00:31:46.000 Let's go.

00:31:46.000 Dealt with the pain.

00:31:47.000 I don't get it. 1.00

00:31:48.000 He's nuts. 1.00

00:31:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:49.000 He did he did that one thing where he he he uh lit a parachute on fire and then had a pull a second paraphrase.

00:31:55.000 In the last one.

00:31:56.000 And it turns out that they did that scene like four or five times.

00:31:59.000 Or the jumping off the cliff with the motorcycle. 0.97

00:32:00.000 That was a fucking all day they did that. 0.98

00:32:02.000 Maybe multiple days. 0.99

00:32:03.000 I don't know.

00:32:04.000 But that's incredible.

00:32:06.000 So insane.

00:32:07.000 What kind of insurance do they have on those movies?

00:32:09.000 I don't think uh I think he does it probably himself.

00:32:11.000 He probably insures it himself.

00:32:12.000 I don't think anybody would uh actually ensure that.

00:32:13.000 I might be wrong.

00:32:14.000 That's just a guess. 0.92

00:32:15.000 What a nut.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 What if maybe Scientology works.

00:32:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:19.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:32:20.000 I mean, what a fucking nut. 1.00

00:32:21.000 No one's like that guy. 1.00

00:32:22.000 No.

00:32:23.000 I mean, there's no one that is that successful that text that takes those kind of risks.

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 And all the other actors say the same thing.

00:32:29.000 They're like, uh no, that's what the stunt people do.

00:32:31.000 He's one one of one.

00:32:33.000 You know, he gets in motorcycle races, like he's in he does those scenes.

00:32:37.000 He does car chase scenes.

00:32:39.000 It's pretty cool.

00:32:40.000 I mean, uh, it does add a level of authenticity, and you go to before that.

00:32:43.000 So you can see Tom Cruise doing his own stunts.

00:32:45.000 You know, fly a helicopter.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, fly the helicopter in that one, two, two, three of them ago.

00:32:50.000 But uh that was killer too. 0.99

00:32:51.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

00:32:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:32:53.000 Jumping out with uh was it Henry Cavill and him jump out the back of the plane and fall out and they're uh but yeah, they he's jumping out of those planes and it's legitimate for him. 0.99

00:33:00.000 Yeah, it's fucking mine. 0.95

00:33:03.000 Separated his finger joints or something in this one. 0.99

00:33:05.000 Of course he did.

00:33:06.000 Oh man, it's fantastic.

00:33:07.000 Let's have a dude, do you know how hard it is to hang?

00:33:10.000 I just don't hang.

00:33:11.000 I do it every day.

00:33:12.000 I do a minute and thirty seconds every day.

00:33:15.000 I've decided to try this to see like what it does like for my back, like because it decompresses your back.

00:33:20.000 And I've heard that if you just do it every day, it's like a life changer.

00:33:24.000 So I'm like, okay.

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:25.000 So I'm like 10 days in now.

00:33:27.000 Ten days of every day, minute 30.

00:33:29.000 Yeah.

00:33:30.000 I hang.

00:33:30.000 At that minute and 20, I gotta check the phone.

00:33:33.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

00:33:33.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:33:34.000 No, I was doing the same. 1.00

00:33:35.000 So after I was here last time, we took a picture together and I saw it, and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh, I look horrible.

00:33:41.000 I was so out of shape.

00:33:42.000 And uh, it wasn't the height of my out of shapeness, because we I think we did that in June.

00:33:45.000 By late August, or no, late July.

00:33:48.000 That was about six years of not doing anything.

00:33:50.000 We talked about saunas, you know, we talked about all that stuff.

00:33:52.000 Um and I'm like, I've got to do something.

00:33:54.000 So he's just been writing.

00:33:54.000 Just writing.

00:33:56.000 It's been so many projects, and I put myself at the bottom of my priority list uh and focus on family and writing and then the screenwriting and all the other projects that are out there, and it's it's it's amazing.

00:34:04.000 I feel very fortunate for that.

00:34:05.000 But I did get way out of shape and the worst shape of my life.

00:34:08.000 And it showed in that photo that we took.

00:34:10.000 I'm like, oh, look at Joe, he looks in such great shape.

00:34:12.000 I'm like, so uh August 1st or something, I'm like, all right, I'm in.

00:34:16.000 And uh I started doing the hang, of course, and then have my outside workout area that's like um like Rocky Four style, and uh so it's right there in the mountains, and so I'm just starting I'm just all in getting after it.

00:34:26.000 We rented a place in town that uh that had a had a sauna to get our kids closer to school for a year to see because we're kind of remote.

00:34:26.000 I'm doing the sauna.

00:34:32.000 We're kind of up there and remote.

00:34:33.000 And uh so we wanted him to have our son to have the experience of riding his bike to school and all that stuff, so we rented a house, but it had an amazing sauna in it.

00:34:39.000 So I was doing that exactly, what 17 minutes and 30 seconds, whatever he's supposed to do.

00:34:42.000 Whatever I heard someone on this podcast tell me I was supposed to do whatever you told me to do, I was doing that.

00:34:46.000 And I was going outside getting like 10 minutes of sun here, 10 minutes of sun there, doing the workouts, doing the cardio stuff, doing doing all of it.

00:34:53.000 And uh, I got in great it's probably one of the best shapes of my life.

00:34:56.000 Really?

00:34:56.000 I was feeling so good.

00:34:57.000 I felt like I could just throw people through walls every time I'm feeling so great.

00:35:00.000 And uh, and but I was doing everything.

00:35:02.000 I was doing the sun, I was eating right, I was not eating the bread, so I did I did everything.

00:35:06.000 And then I got to January 1st, and I'm out there in the snow.

00:35:09.000 I dug a path out to my thing in the gym and I'm working out in my outside gym, doing the hangs, all that in the snow.

00:35:14.000 And then I was like, oh, I think I had a deadline December 1st a month ago for this book.

00:35:19.000 I'm like, I I gotta start writing, so I all stop, I'll stop, and I haven't done anything since.

00:35:24.000 It was only only writing, only screen writing, everything else.

00:35:26.000 I haven't find that balance.

00:35:27.000 I need to find that uh that balance.

00:35:29.000 I'm not quite there yet.

00:35:30.000 How many hours do you write a day?

00:35:31.000 Well, as I get closer to the as I pass these deadlines, I should say it becomes all consuming.

00:35:35.000 And it's uh especially for something like this when I'm in 1968.

00:35:38.000 I mean, I really felt like I had to transport myself back to that time to write this thing.

00:35:43.000 And uh so that was all as soon as I woke up, bam, I'm in, and it is all day long.

00:35:47.000 And uh until you go to sleep.

00:35:49.000 And uh until I go to sleep, until super late, and then I'm up because the kids still get up at the same time, and so I'm up, so I'm maybe an hour of sleep, two hours of sleep, whatever, and then I'm up out of a canon and it's going.

00:35:57.000 So it's not not healthy, not healthy.

00:35:59.000 So I'm gonna get on a better uh a better schedule here.

00:36:02.000 Our son's going to uh a boarding school now, our daughter's in college.

00:36:05.000 We have our middle child with severe special needs, so he's still at home with us, he'll be with us forever.

00:36:08.000 Um and he's a sweet, sweet little guy.

00:36:10.000 But uh but it that I think will give me a little more time to maybe find some balance with the health and the writing.

00:36:16.000 Right.

00:36:17.000 I need to do that at some point.

00:36:18.000 But typically a lot of writers aren't very especially the older ones uh from back in the day, they're not uh not the healthiest of individuals.

00:36:23.000 The opposite.

00:36:24.000 I mean, we've talked about it a bunch of times in this podcast, but my favorite Stephen King books were all when he was doing Coke.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:29.000 He doesn't even remember writing a couple of them, right?

00:36:31.000 No.

00:36:32.000 If I was his friend, I'd get him do Coke in it.

00:36:35.000 I I tell my publisher that I'm like, I feel like I need to uh to to do some of that uh just to get this to get this done.

00:36:41.000 I need to take a turn here.

00:36:43.000 A lot of guys use Adderall.

00:36:44.000 A lot of writers use Adderall.

00:36:46.000 A lot of uh journalists use Adderall as well.

00:36:48.000 And I think also that makes them like a little more impulsive, their work gets a little aggressive.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, like you kind of see, especially journalists when they get real shitty, like oh, he's probably out at all.

00:36:58.000 Oh, interesting.

00:36:59.000 I think it contributes to the culture of journalism in the modern era, with this uh sort of like really shitty uh attack journalism that's become very prevalent.

00:37:09.000 I I don't think it's a small factor.

00:37:11.000 I think uh Adderall consumption has it plays a fa a factor in that.

00:37:16.000 It I'm sure it does.

00:37:17.000 I mean it changes something.

00:37:18.000 And social media, of course.

00:37:19.000 It changes something.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, social media.

00:37:20.000 Nicotine does it, nicotine is uh has been very helpful for authors.

00:37:23.000 Uh, nicotine's great.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:25.000 Do you use cigars or do you do like pouches?

00:37:27.000 What do you think about it?

00:37:28.000 Don't do anything.

00:37:28.000 Don't do anything coffee.

00:37:30.000 Nope.

00:37:30.000 Coffee and uh and coffee, water, red wine, whiskey.

00:37:33.000 Uh but not too much inspiration.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, but not too much, you know, just uh just uh little bit every now and again.

00:37:38.000 Yeah, yeah, nothing too crazy. 1.00

00:37:40.000 Just to say fuck it. 0.99

00:37:41.000 Yeah, just I feel like it's I should be doing something like that, but not uh not too much. 0.99

00:37:44.000 I mean, having my I built a library and one side of it was a bar, and I never got to touch anything because at book signings people bring me a lot of uh a lot of whiskey.

00:37:51.000 And uh so I I have it in my bags or I s mail it from the road or whatever, and uh so I have this whole wall of whiskey uh and other stuff too.

00:37:58.000 But I never get to partake in it because I'm always writing.

00:37:59.000 I'm always like I could pour something, but no, I gotta this is my time, it's quiet, I'm not being interrupted.

00:38:03.000 Go, go, go.

00:38:05.000 And it's just uh it's just all on.

00:38:06.000 So I haven't used any performance and half enhancing supplements.

00:38:09.000 I need to do some like alpha brain or something, probably.

00:38:11.000 That helps.

00:38:11.000 Something like that.

00:38:12.000 Alpha brain's great.

00:38:13.000 There's uh alpha brain black label that's a new one that's a stronger version of Alpha Brain.

00:38:17.000 I think we have some.

00:38:18.000 I'll give you some when we leave.

00:38:19.000 We also have Alpha Brain Gummies.

00:38:21.000 Do we have any on the table?

00:38:22.000 No.

00:38:23.000 I probably should I I eat those things like candy.

00:38:27.000 But uh there's a bunch of really good neutropics that you should look into.

00:38:30.000 Another one is uh neurogum.

00:38:32.000 We have some of that stuff.

00:38:33.000 I like that because uh it's just it tastes good, it's gum, and it it gives you a little neutropic boost.

00:38:40.000 But I understand why authors do that.

00:38:41.000 Creatine is another great one.

00:38:42.000 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 And creatine is really great for people with sleep deprivation.

00:38:45.000 Oh, really?

00:38:46.000 I was using that too, so I did some supplements um when I started working out again.

00:38:46.000 Yes.

00:38:49.000 I I stopped it when I stopped working out, but uh, I was doing the is it thro Thorne, is that the one that you see on the UFC now?

00:38:54.000 So I was doing that.

00:38:54.000 Sure, yeah.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, so I was using that their creatine and um some just uh just some vitamins.

00:38:59.000 You want like a lot though.

00:39:00.000 Like people are taking five grams a day.

00:39:02.000 You really want like 20 grams a day.

00:39:04.000 And uh particularly when people are dealing with sleep deprivation.

00:39:08.000 It also uh for some reason has like pretty great benefits uh m more so even for women uh and sleep deprivation.

00:39:16.000 There's been a bunch of different studies going, but it's in terms of cognitive performance after sleep deprivation and reaction time after sleep deprivation.

00:39:24.000 Both of those things fall off.

00:39:25.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 And there's a noticeable rise in improvement with creatine.

00:39:30.000 Yeah, I don't think I was taking it.

00:39:31.000 I was taking one scoop.

00:39:32.000 Whatever it says on the bottle.

00:39:33.000 Uh I'll turn the one scoop, whatever that's.

00:39:35.000 I probably bet it's five grams.

00:39:36.000 I do four of those scoops.

00:39:38.000 Okay.

00:39:38.000 Oh, really?

00:39:38.000 Well, when I get back after this and see myself in our photo today, I will uh uh get back to uh I'll use I'll use four scoops.

00:39:45.000 Well, it it'll definitely make your muscles a little stronger and larger, but the reason I'm doing it is not just for that, it's for the brain.

00:39:51.000 It's really good for the brain.

00:39:52.000 I was getting sleep during that time too, which is why I didn't have a book on time.

00:39:55.000 Uh one of the one of the reasons.

00:39:57.000 One, I was going back to 1968, took a lot ta longer than I thought for this research, and then two, I was getting in shape at the same time.

00:40:03.000 Were you listening to like 1968 music back then?

00:40:06.000 And like what did how are you doing?

00:40:09.000 Put on uh Spotify.

00:40:10.000 Um so I was doing that.

00:40:12.000 I was watching the Vietnam documentaries, I was reading everything I could possibly find on Vietnam from the day.

00:40:17.000 Um these old Army Special Forces manuals that they had before the guys would go over there that talked about the Montyard tribes they were gonna be working with.

00:40:24.000 Uh for those that are watching or listening, it's like Apocalypse Now, like the Montyards like tribes and all that stuff. 1.00

00:40:29.000 So I was doing that.

00:40:30.000 Um and uh then I'll then I was reading the more modern stuff too.

00:40:32.000 I was reading things from the 70s, eighties.

00:40:34.000 I got um National Geographic magazines from the 60s.

00:40:37.000 Uh I think there's one from the late fifties even, so I was doing everything I possibly could to transport myself back.

00:40:42.000 Um listening to some history history podcasts about uh JFK, about uh uh about Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, things that were happening here, about the election, Nixon's elections, everything that was happening in 1968.

00:40:53.000 I was just trying to immerse myself in that world.

00:40:56.000 Um so that when I sat down to this, I didn't have to do a huge shift, and it would be it was already had this uh I was building on this foundation, rubber foundation I already had, as then I sat down in front of the computer to write rather than watching something here contemporary, getting all upset about something that X is feeding me to keep me enraged, and then uh then trying to jump back to 1968.

00:41:14.000 Instead, I just like transported myself back there for uh it felt like months at a time.

00:41:19.000 That's probably healthier anyway.

00:41:20.000 I think it's much healthier.

00:41:21.000 Much I think so.

00:41:24.000 I think it was uh a much healthier way to live in general.

00:41:26.000 So just live in the past, folks.

00:41:29.000 That's what I try to do. 0.97

00:41:30.000 Today's too fucking confusing. 0.95

00:41:32.000 It is just go live in the past. 0.91

00:41:33.000 I mean, I've I'd love to go back.

00:41:35.000 I I know I can't though, but uh but I still try to go back through my vehicles through movies, through things like that.

00:41:39.000 Right.

00:41:39.000 Um I did I I tried to get two modern vehicles.

00:41:42.000 I had to turn them back in.

00:41:43.000 I know you were telling me you got a grenadier.

00:41:45.000 I did a grenadier, and yeah, and I was so excited to get it.

00:41:48.000 I think I was the first person in Utah to get one.

00:41:50.000 At least they told me I was anyway.

00:41:51.000 And I got this thing, I was so excited.

00:41:53.000 And this is not a hit on on Venos Grenadiers, this is a hit on me not being able to adapt to a uh to the to the current times.

00:42:00.000 It's a great vehicle.

00:42:01.000 I it was fast.

00:42:02.000 They let me borrow one for a few months.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, it's a gr if you're looking for an off-road vehicle that's like fully outfitted from the factory, you could do no better.

00:42:11.000 It was awesome.

00:42:12.000 I mean, it uh I did of course I put every possible thing you could put on there.

00:42:15.000 Right.

00:42:15.000 So I'm like, I don't have time.

00:42:16.000 I'm like, what put everything on that for me?

00:42:18.000 Just do the whole thing.

00:42:19.000 And so they did.

00:42:20.000 And uh it showed up.

00:42:21.000 I was so excited for it.

00:42:22.000 And then it started beeping at me, you know.

00:42:24.000 And it was I'm like, ah, that's that's my complaint.

00:42:24.000 Uh-huh.

00:42:27.000 It beeps when you go one mile an hour, just a few miles an hour over the speed limit.

00:42:31.000 Yes.

00:42:32.000 Um, I don't like that.

00:42:33.000 I don't like where the speedometer is in the da it's in the screen.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, too.

00:42:38.000 So there's no dashboard in front of you, there's no like speedometer attack, it's not in front of you.

00:42:42.000 You just see numbers to the right.

00:42:43.000 So you have to look over to the right to see how fast you're going, which is why they justify the beep.

00:42:48.000 So it makes you look over to let you know, like, oh look, you're going see the beep.

00:42:52.000 Oh, let me look.

00:42:54.000 I don't want to look to the right at a screen ever if I don't have to.

00:42:57.000 Yeah.

00:42:57.000 I want to look at it only if I'm following directions, and that's it.

00:43:01.000 I know. 0.99

00:43:01.000 I want my fucking speedometer right in front of me. 0.99

00:43:04.000 It's fast though. 1.00

00:43:04.000 I know. 1.00

00:43:05.000 That you hammer that thing.

00:43:06.000 It was fast.

00:43:06.000 I mean, you have some faster cars than I do.

00:43:08.000 It's capable.

00:43:09.000 And it's really capable off-road. 0.99

00:43:11.000 Like if you drive that thing, and it's fucking built like a tank. 0.99

00:43:14.000 It is like a tank. 0.94

00:43:15.000 If you look at like an like the the idea was that they copied uh a Land Rover Defender, which they definitely did.

00:43:20.000 But if you look at a Land Rover Defender, shut the doors on those things. 0.99

00:43:24.000 They feel like shit. 0.99

00:43:25.000 It feels like it's made of a Pepsi can. 1.00

00:43:28.000 It's amazing.

00:43:28.000 It's their their aluminum fac there's those are like agriculture vehicles.

00:43:33.000 Those are not vehicles for like rugged travel.

00:43:36.000 That's a G Wagon.

00:43:37.000 A G-Wagon is like a that was designed for military applications. 1.00

00:43:42.000 It's a fucking stamp steel. 0.99

00:43:44.000 I don't know if it's stamp steel, but whatever. 1.00

00:43:45.000 There's steel heavy fucking doors. 0.98

00:43:47.000 When you shut those doors like and that's how the Graniteer is. 0.99

00:43:51.000 Grenadier's like heavy.

00:43:52.000 It's like thick.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 It's like a very durable vehicle.

00:43:55.000 I feel like a lot of Aussies love them.

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 Because you can kind of just go right from the factory, and you know, a lot of those guys like to go off-road and you could get your factory uh setting in the back where it's got all the electrical and everything.

00:44:07.000 So you could set up a stove, you can set up a little refrigerator back there.

00:44:11.000 It's all plugged in, ready to go.

00:44:13.000 I love I mean that I love all that stuff.

00:44:15.000 And it's uh it's like the what do they say?

00:44:17.000 It was like a Defender 110 and uh G-Wagon had a baby for the Grenadier. 0.62

00:44:21.000 I would say that's the thing.

00:44:21.000 That's gonna be just like the sides where you can put all the jerry cans and everything.

00:44:26.000 It's all set up to mount stuff on it.

00:44:28.000 I got it all set up, man.

00:44:29.000 I was so excited.

00:44:30.000 And then I called them and I was like, hey, can I get rid of this click?

00:44:32.000 And they said, yeah, and they walk me through the thing, and I whatever.

00:44:35.000 I this is why I don't want to have an iPad.

00:44:36.000 I I there's I just want a car.

00:44:39.000 I don't want to drive a computer.

00:44:40.000 Right.

00:44:40.000 And uh so I'm in there, I turn it off, and uh I'm like, oh thank you so much.

00:44:43.000 I'm driving, I'm like, oh, it's not doing the clicking anymore.

00:44:45.000 I stop, I get out, I go in and do something, I get back in the car, immediately it's back on again.

00:44:50.000 Click, click, click, click, click, click, click.

00:44:51.000 I'm like, I'm like, we're getting rid of this.

00:44:53.000 I'm like, told my wife, I'm like, get let's get rid of this thing.

00:44:55.000 Well, it is awesome.

00:44:56.000 Old land cruiser guy.

00:44:58.000 The problem is those cars have a charm.

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 There's a charm to those old land cruisers, especially the one that you have, the 60s series.

00:45:05.000 Like you drive one of those things, man.

00:45:07.000 It's like that feels like you're involved in every part of the driving.

00:45:12.000 It is.

00:45:13.000 You feel the steep.

00:45:14.000 My time machine.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, it's like I love it.

00:45:18.000 And you have a V8 in it too.

00:45:20.000 Which is like so you got modern power, L S V eight.

00:45:23.000 Yep, LS3s in there, so that's nice.

00:45:25.000 But that's has thick doors too.

00:45:27.000 Much thicker than the 80s.

00:45:29.000 Yeah, and I do have much theater, but much thicker, but thicker.

00:45:32.000 I like the 80 series.

00:45:33.000 I have two eighty series now, both stock uh 96.

00:45:35.000 And I love those because they're just modern enough, but they're they need someone to do a little work on them.

00:45:40.000 They make some strange noises, but they they work.

00:45:42.000 But they uh my son like pick them up in school in it, and he's like, ah, dad.

00:45:45.000 Because they're still making this crazy it's it's almost like it's the it's going over the speed limit thing, but it's constant, so it's just performed. 0.97

00:45:51.000 Fucking hundreds of thousands of miles.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, these have over a hundred uh both of them, but uh so I love that and have a 78 FJ 40 that I love. 0.98

00:45:58.000 Um so that's pretty uh I love that one, and it's uh it's all completely restored, so it's all all original for the most part.

00:46:04.000 So it doesn't matter.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:05.000 It's fun getting on the highway with that thing, isn't it?

00:46:07.000 Yeah, you go about 40 miles an hour tops.

00:46:08.000 Tops.

00:46:09.000 I mean you're in that slow lane.

00:46:10.000 Yes, so slow.

00:46:11.000 It's so slow.

00:46:12.000 But it's cool for zipping around town.

00:46:13.000 I love that.

00:46:14.000 And then I just get an icon to make you one of those.

00:46:16.000 I know it's on the list.

00:46:16.000 It's on the last or crystal.

00:46:20.000 Because they they make them with the giant V8s in them.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, they do some serious work.

00:46:24.000 So I'm thinking the land cruiser guy, and I tested out the United States didn't work out for me, but that's not to say that they won't work out for someone else.

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 It's fun.

00:46:30.000 They're awesome vehicles.

00:46:31.000 And if you're a modern type person, yeah, get one for sure.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, if you're into that style of like defender looking car, but you don't want all the bullshit that comes with only the defender.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, either get a refurbished one, like East Coast Defenders does a great job, they'll put a big engine in it and do it all right.

00:46:45.000 But yeah, there's a bunch of them now that do that.

00:46:47.000 The Grenadier is a great solution. 1.00

00:46:48.000 I think they're gonna come out with a new one that has uh uh a more horsepower and they're probably improve some things. 0.99

00:46:54.000 But I would like them just give me a fucking dashboard. 0.98

00:46:57.000 Is that how so hard? 0.99

00:46:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:58.000 I mean, they're doing everything else old school. 0.89

00:47:00.000 You have all these buttons and everything, it's all fucking all old school looking like a jet fighter pilot.

00:47:05.000 Yeah, with all the locking differential in it. 0.97

00:47:07.000 Give me a fucking speedometer, just a regular speedometer and attack, put it right in front of me. 0.99

00:47:11.000 Thanks to you. 0.99

00:47:12.000 And also make the lights so that the the auxiliary lights will turn on when it's not in the off-road mode.

00:47:16.000 If I don't know if you tried that, but they're the auxiliary lights.

00:47:18.000 They uh except for the light bar on the top, but the other ones in the front, like you have to be in off-road mode for some legal reason.

00:47:23.000 So you have to, I mean, sure someone can bypass it somehow, but when I come up to our house, there's no there's no lights and it's a long drive up there into the mountains, and I just want to hit the switch and have just daylight in front of me.

00:47:34.000 And uh that was not possible with that.

00:47:36.000 I got my land cruiser set up where if I was in a dark field, you would think a UFO land.

00:47:40.000 Nice.

00:47:40.000 And yours is a hundred series, right?

00:47:41.000 Is that that?

00:47:42.000 Here's the eighty that's okay.

00:47:42.000 No, I have an eighty.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, Icon built me that one.

00:47:45.000 It was TLC at the time.

00:47:46.000 Um but they they put bars all around it.

00:47:48.000 I think sick bar and bars in the back.

00:47:50.000 So like you could park and like light up the perimeter.

00:47:53.000 That's what I want.

00:47:54.000 It's awesome.

00:47:54.000 I want daylight.

00:47:55.000 And then you put a tent on the roof and you're out there in nature.

00:47:58.000 I love it.

00:47:59.000 I love it.

00:47:59.000 I did drive an I drove a uh G-Wagon yesterday.

00:48:02.000 So we landed, went right to Staccato, and uh so they had a uh uh a portion of G-Wagon right there, and I was like, oh man, I was I'm I'm I think my wife's telling me I need to get something more modern that's gonna be reliable.

00:48:12.000 We're not gonna just break down all the time.

00:48:14.000 And uh and so I'm like, they said, we'll drive it, drive this thing.

00:48:16.000 And so I got in it.

00:48:17.000 It was like a 2016, so it was before some changes I guess were made.

00:48:20.000 And uh I think it was nice.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, so 2016 would have two live axles.

00:48:24.000 I think uh they got independent front suspension later.

00:48:27.000 Yeah.

00:48:28.000 I think that was like the 2022 or something like that.

00:48:31.000 They started doing that.

00:48:32.000 But I still can't do it.

00:48:33.000 It's too true LA, too Kardashian.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, it's very Kardashian.

00:48:37.000 But the reality of it is it's uh and it's a military vehicle.

00:48:40.000 The thing about G-Wagons though, is people do take them and then they build them out for off-road.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 I've seen it. 0.99

00:48:46.000 They don't do it with like the AMG turbo fucking thing. 0.99

00:48:50.000 But the regular one is a V8 anyway. 0.99

00:48:51.000 It's got plenty of power.

00:48:52.000 I like the old ones.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, but you can you can get one of those old ones, and people have done amazing builds where they put like large tires on them, they raise it up a little bit, and they put like strong steel bumpers and like rock sliders on the side, and you know, it's a beast of a truck.

00:49:09.000 I'll probably need something new at some point.

00:49:11.000 Something newer.

00:49:12.000 Yeah, because the platform is amazing.

00:49:13.000 I mean, the platform is really designed um for military application.

00:49:17.000 Yeah, the new the new Land Cruisers are not quite uh quite there.

00:49:20.000 Yeah, they like the old stuff, you know, like the newer ones.

00:49:23.000 Uh I mean they're they're probably great.

00:49:25.000 But the new new one is like really more modest.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, yeah, it is, yeah.

00:49:29.000 They dropped the price on them.

00:49:31.000 Yeah, it's not like what they were getting to, which is basically like trying to compete with Range Rover. 0.95

00:49:35.000 But they were also fucking themselves because they have Lexus. 0.95

00:49:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:49:39.000 And Lexus is like the best version of that.

00:49:41.000 Those is it the 550 GX?

00:49:41.000 Right.

00:49:43.000 What's the new one that they have this kind of thing?

00:49:46.000 Well, did they have the smaller one, which is more like land cruiser size, like 80 series size, and they have the larger one.

00:49:52.000 Okay.

00:49:53.000 I I had three of the larger ones.

00:49:55.000 This 570s, I had three of those.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, there's they never break.

00:49:59.000 They were like my favorite family car to drive around in.

00:50:01.000 It's awesome four-wheel drive.

00:50:02.000 They're great in snow and anything else. 0.99

00:50:04.000 And they fucking always work. 0.99

00:50:06.000 Always work. 1.00

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 Hard to beat that.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:09.000 Toyota is so good.

00:50:10.000 I know.

00:50:11.000 They're so reliable.

00:50:12.000 I know.

00:50:13.000 The guys got over to Africa to start filming this thing in uh we got there in February or March.

00:50:16.000 Anyway, we went over there and uh the advanced crew went over first to get everything set up, and then Chris and I came over a little bit later and when everything was all set up, but the guys were texting back after they were doing all the um uh the the advanced work for the different places we're gonna go shoot, and they're like, now we understand your obsession with the land cruiser.

00:50:32.000 Yeah, they're all driving land cruisers in Africa. 0.69

00:50:35.000 Oh yeah, once you get over to any rough place and you realize like, oh, you want a car that one hundred percent is gonna work for you.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:42.000 There's a reason why they became so popular.

00:50:44.000 It's not it's not a mystery.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:47.000 Same thing.

00:50:47.000 It's like the say is that a Seiko?

00:50:48.000 Yeah.

00:50:49.000 Nice.

00:50:49.000 It's like they said that's the Toyota of watches.

00:50:52.000 That's the one that Captain Willard wore in apocalypse now.

00:50:52.000 That's the Willard.

00:50:55.000 Absolutely, which I think came.

00:50:57.000 I have an original.

00:50:57.000 I do too.

00:50:58.000 I have one 1971, I think it is.

00:51:01.000 70 or 71.

00:51:02.000 Okay.

00:51:02.000 Yeah, I collected all the uh the SOG Seiko's because this is Mac V songs so I collected all those.

00:51:07.000 I think there's four of them that uh that they've uh they've seen pictures of Mac V saw guys wearing going into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam, which is what the book is uh is focused on.

00:51:14.000 So not only did I try to transport myself back by listening to all these things, but I had the watch right there, like this is 1968 uh Rolex, like I'm gonna do it.

00:51:22.000 So I got that thing, the submariner.

00:51:24.000 So I cr surrounded myself with things that are like totems from the book.

00:51:27.000 So this is what uh Tom Reese and I had a a cool way that he wins this.

00:51:31.000 How'd you get it at 68?

00:51:32.000 Where'd you find that?

00:51:34.000 Uh a buddy of mine who's a Rolex dealer out in uh in PA found it for me. 0.98

00:51:38.000 Oh wow, that's fucking cool.

00:51:41.000 So I like the I like the older stuff now. 0.95

00:51:41.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:51:42.000 I'm finding it crazy.

00:51:43.000 It looks exactly the same.

00:51:44.000 Yeah, pretty much.

00:51:45.000 I mean, there's little the uh the crystals different and stuff like that, but the uh the alum's different, that sort of thing.

00:51:50.000 Uh a utility watch.

00:51:52.000 It used to be that used to be a tool watch, which is crazy because you think of them today as being luxury.

00:51:57.000 Yeah, but the reason why they were built so well was just for you to use them diving.

00:52:03.000 Yep.

00:52:06.000 And also you wear something like this or like that, then people like watch people know they'll see it and be like, oh, okay.

00:52:06.000 Exactly.

00:52:10.000 It's not like just some guy that went out and bought an expensive watch.

00:52:12.000 They're like, okay, if someone put a lot of thought into this, like you wearing the Willard and me having those MacVie sogs and this one from 1968.

00:52:18.000 Um it's uh it it it tells you put a little more thought into this sort of thing than like just what's an expensive watch or something.

00:52:24.000 Right, something along those lines.

00:52:25.000 But yeah, uh but I yeah, I mean this it tells a story.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, it's pretty dope.

00:52:29.000 And uh it's pretty thin too.

00:52:31.000 Yeah, it's a little thinner than I than I thought when it came though in the band's a little different, it kind of makes some noise there, but I I love this.

00:52:37.000 And so it's these and the tutors that guys were wearing back in Vietnam, the SEALs in particular.

00:52:41.000 The tutor submariner.

00:52:42.000 Right.

00:52:42.000 So I got one of those recently.

00:52:43.000 I've been wanting to get one for years because when I got to the SEAL teams, they were this is a rumor, so I never saw it with my own eyes.

00:52:48.000 But uh so it's secondhand information, is that they're in supply, they were destroying the tutors with hammers.

00:52:55.000 And I can't then because now we're getting issued Seiko's, and so they'd issued these to the guys that actually they jumped in to get the Apollo uh spacecraft.

00:53:02.000 Uh seals jumped in after those things, UDT seals, uh, to get those guys out of the water.

00:53:06.000 And uh and uh these people in supply, I think in the the 90s were destroying the tutors for some reason, probably because they were told to, uh so guys wouldn't get them and sell them or something like that.

00:53:15.000 I don't know.

00:53:15.000 But uh but I did I track one down recently through the through uh watches of espionage and uh he found me a new tutor and then or uh an old tutor, but I got that, and then we did a little documentary with some old guys from uh the 70s from in the 60s that were SEALs in Vietnam and they were pulled out of Vietnam, they were in Vietnam one day, and then the next day they were off the in the Pacific on an aircraft carrier waiting to recover the uh the Apollo astronauts.

00:53:38.000 Whoa.

00:53:38.000 Yeah, pretty cool.

00:53:39.000 We did a documentary on it for for Tudor.

00:53:41.000 And uh it was it was pretty cool to talk to those guys.

00:53:43.000 I mean, just amazing.

00:53:45.000 Because now they're kill they were taking lives in Vietnam, and then they're supposed to they're now they're just throwing into this this on these helicopters to jump into the ocean to save lives.

00:53:51.000 It's kind of a cool juxtaposition.

00:53:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:53:54.000 It is interesting that their their equipment became luxury.

00:53:57.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 Weird.

00:53:58.000 Well, you can go back.

00:53:59.000 I love these old ads, Rolex ads from it must be the sixties, I think they're sixties, seventies, eighties.

00:54:03.000 I mean, there's some from the early eighties where they have a guy like with a rhino, and it's like the editor of Guns and Ammo magazine with his dead rhino, where's a Rolex.

00:54:12.000 And they had at least yeah, they had like two of those types of ads back then.

00:54:15.000 I don't like to acknowledge that today, I don't think all that's but uh but they had but that was like in the early 80s, that's what they were they were still marketing towards that.

00:54:23.000 So yeah, really still rugged.

00:54:25.000 Well, think about didn't James Bond always have if you were looking for Lost Empires here tomorrow, you'd wear a Rolex.

00:54:32.000 There's one. 0.78

00:54:32.000 There's one crazy. 0.78

00:54:34.000 But you gotta find the one with the rhino. 0.99

00:54:35.000 Well, there's there's the one at the will to be fucking dependable. 0.99

00:54:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:54:38.000 Frederick Forsyth, the author actually had one. 0.98

00:54:40.000 They used to do they used to do uh had a relationship with him in the 70s and 80s, and they're like, here's Frederick Forsyth who wrote Day of the Jackal, wearing his jackal coat uh in front of this Jaguar.

00:54:49.000 And uh it's just you never see that today.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, but there it is, yeah.

00:54:53.000 If taming oil well fires were your job, you'd wear a Rolex.

00:54:53.000 There you go.

00:54:56.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:54:58.000 What?

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 Let's see if we can find the uh find the hunting one.

00:55:01.000 Maybe Rolex hunting or something.

00:55:03.000 Um but they're just look at that racing here.

00:55:06.000 Like it's for anybody that's doing anything difficult.

00:55:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:09.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:55:10.000 And now it's now it's tennis and it's golf.

00:55:12.000 That's well now it's just like you know, looking fancy in a restaurant or whatever you're doing.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, we go, there's Connery right there, the Thunderbolt action.

00:55:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:21.000 Love it.

00:55:22.000 Yeah.

00:55:22.000 Fleming had one.

00:55:23.000 They he doesn't say which specific model it is in the books.

00:55:26.000 Um of course Omega sponsored the the the movie starting with Bronson, I think.

00:55:30.000 But uh, but the in the books it's a Rolex.

00:55:33.000 He doesn't say what specific model, but he wore it, I think with Fleming Warren Explorer, I think.

00:55:36.000 There it is.

00:55:37.000 It's uh oh, there you go.

00:55:38.000 Have you hunted big game over the world?

00:55:40.000 Kate Buffalo.

00:55:40.000 There's Kate Buffalo, right?

00:55:43.000 Pretty cool.

00:55:44.000 Weird.

00:55:45.000 Yeah, they don't do that today.

00:55:46.000 Just weird that that became it went from being like this manly, super durable thing to like when did people really start getting into watches and collecting them?

00:55:55.000 And when did it become like a fetish?

00:55:57.000 Must be the eighties.

00:55:58.000 Yeah.

00:55:59.000 Must be the eighties, I would guess.

00:56:00.000 I mean, I think it's always been a thing because you can go back and find like amazing uh Paddock Phillips and stuff like that and go back and find the Omegas, the old Rolexes, and it's a thing.

00:56:07.000 So uh it's kind of nuts.

00:56:09.000 Yeah, now it's gotten a little crazy, which why I like the vintage stuff because it puts a little more just like the cars, just like it's my time machine.

00:56:15.000 Now when people have like those Richard Millet watches, and you hear they're a half million dollars like more.

00:56:20.000 What are you talking about?

00:56:21.000 Yeah.

00:56:22.000 Why are you buying that?

00:56:23.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 Like what's going on here that I'm missing.

00:56:25.000 That's an amazing story.

00:56:26.000 Like I think I it's not like that has a huge history to it.

00:56:28.000 It's fairly recent for those watches.

00:56:30.000 Do you know what the rumor is?

00:56:32.000 The rumor is that one of the first watches that he was supposed to sell was supposed to be fifteen thousand dollars, but someone put an extra zero on it.

00:56:38.000 No way.

00:56:39.000 Really?

00:56:39.000 This is what someone told me.

00:56:40.000 Hey, let's go with that.

00:56:41.000 It might not be true.

00:56:42.000 But then it's and then people bought it, it's like, hey, hey, hey.

00:56:45.000 Let's try 300.

00:56:46.000 Sometimes that's how it works.

00:56:47.000 I mean, people love the watches.

00:56:49.000 It's a beautiful if you're into that style of watch.

00:56:52.000 I like simple.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.000 That's what I like.

00:56:55.000 This is why I like the Seiko. 0.99

00:56:56.000 Nobody gives a shit about it. 0.97

00:56:57.000 It's not impressing anybody. 0.98

00:56:58.000 Well, it just if you know.

00:56:59.000 If you know.

00:57:00.000 But it's like it's a really well-made watch.

00:57:02.000 It'll never fuck up.

00:57:03.000 It's got I think it's got a fifty-two-hour time reserve.

00:57:06.000 Yeah, yeah, no, I love that stuff.

00:57:07.000 We've very intentional with all all the gear and the TV shows.

00:57:09.000 I know you are, yeah.

00:57:10.000 It's uh and your books as well.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, in the books as well.

00:57:13.000 So it tells a story.

00:57:14.000 You know, you see somebody with that that tells something that tells me something about you.

00:57:16.000 Uh you see something with uh the Richard Mill, or whatever you say.

00:57:19.000 We're sharding.

00:57:21.000 I think it is.

00:57:21.000 It probably is Richard Mill, but it's like, dang it.

00:57:24.000 When you add another zero, then it goes to like Joe Durte, you know.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:29.000 So it's uh it changes things a little bit.

00:57:31.000 So uh but that's but it tells me a story, just like uh like the characters in the books, but the watches in particular are important.

00:57:37.000 Um one because it's important to to me as a watch guy my whole life.

00:57:40.000 For some reason, I just had this connection with with time and the value of time, and so I've always been a watch guy my whole my whole life.

00:57:45.000 And uh so putting these watches on characters that tell you something about that character, uh like in Dark Wolf, they have to get rid of their G Shocks and go get something more that would make look a little more European and uh for when they transition over from being these SEAL guys to being these CIA operatives and uh drop get rid of the gators, but we say, get rid of the gators, get some sunglasses, get some expensive watches, that sort of thing. 0.90

00:58:05.000 But I still wanted something that had a connection to the SEAL team.

00:58:08.000 So uh picked a tutor for uh for Taylor Kitch's character, and uh I got that one.

00:58:12.000 I got to keep that one, so that was that was pretty cool.

00:58:14.000 Um and then put a panor eye on um on Rafe Hastings, Tom Hopper's character, uh, to differentiate him a bit from uh from um Ben Edwards, the Taylor Kitch character, but and also Tom's a big dude, so you need a big watch on that guy.

00:58:26.000 Right.

00:58:27.000 He is huge.

00:58:27.000 He's huge.

00:58:28.000 Oh my gosh.

00:58:29.000 I think all the all the Like my wife and her friends were so excited about Taylor being in the show because the Texas Forever, you know, and they were all coming up during that time frame where he's on Friday Night Lights and all that stuff.

00:58:38.000 And then uh then Tom Hopper gets out of the pool without a shirt on, and they're like, Oh, Tom Hopper.

00:58:43.000 Oh my god.

00:58:44.000 It is.

00:58:45.000 And so I told Tom that probably if we do Savage Sun as a uh as a movie, he's probably not gonna have his shirt on much in there.

00:58:51.000 So gotta expand the audience.

00:58:53.000 We gotta sell streamers.

00:58:55.000 Exactly.

00:58:56.000 But he's such a good dude.

00:58:57.000 That's awesome.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, all those guys are great.

00:58:58.000 It's also what is it like having this thing that you sat down by yourself, this world that you created, and now you're you're not just selling books, but you're filming the visual representation of your work.

00:59:11.000 It's gotta be kind of surreal.

00:59:13.000 Every time I walk on the set, I feel that way.

00:59:13.000 It is surreal.

00:59:15.000 I feel as grateful for the most part.

00:59:16.000 I just feel so much gratitude towards everyone involved.

00:59:20.000 And uh, of course, the people who made it happen, most specifically Chris, because if Chris didn't want to do it, didn't want to option it, probably wouldn't happen.

00:59:25.000 Um wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't be on this journey together, and he's so invested in it.

00:59:29.000 Um you mentioned some other shows earlier, and there's just there's a difference between an actor who gets paid to do something, does it, and moves on to the next project, and somebody like Chris who is so invested in this.

00:59:39.000 And I think the other actors see that, and Taylor's like this by nature.

00:59:42.000 Uh like American Primeval, any role Taylor takes on, he is uh just so invested in it.

00:59:46.000 It's not just a paycheck, like it is it's gonna now become part of his experience.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, and uh and he really looks at it through uh through that kind of a lens.

00:59:53.000 So to have guys like that involved that are so personally connected to the material and also to the community, like the veteran community writ large, um, it means something to them.

01:00:03.000 And so they put so much into it.

01:00:05.000 So when I walk on set, uh it is surreal, and to know that everybody is and people come up to me all the time on set and thank me for creating this universe, allowing them to be there.

01:00:14.000 Um, but not just that they can be there working on a set, it's that we have created mostly through Chris, Antoine Fukua, David A Gilio, all these guys at the top, David DiGulio's the showrunner, and to have build this family.

01:00:26.000 And people come up to me all the time and they say that they've been involved in hundreds of Hollywood productions and they've never felt this way on a set before.

01:00:32.000 And that's because you're filming these things for seven, eight months, and that doesn't count all the all the work that goes into the scripts ahead of time and all the post-production.

01:00:39.000 So just being on set.

01:00:40.000 And so during that time, people are gonna uh get married, get divorced, uh lose loved ones.

01:00:45.000 Um life is gonna happen.

01:00:47.000 And David DiGilio in particular is the showrunner, and he makes sure that everyone is taken care of.

01:00:53.000 And uh, we're also bringing people along with us.

01:00:55.000 So if they're in a department uh this this season, they're gonna move their way up in that department next season.

01:01:00.000 So it's uh they really feel taken care of, and it's all genuine.

01:01:03.000 And I think that helps bring their everybody bring their A game, and everyone is so happy to be there on these sets.

01:01:08.000 It's really cool.

01:01:08.000 And people tell me how different they want to make sure that I know that it's not like this on every Hollywood production.

01:01:13.000 That's cool.

01:01:13.000 Yeah, that's gotta feel great.

01:01:15.000 That's cool.

01:01:15.000 I it is and uh I mean it trickles down from the top, yeah, you know, comes out comes down from the top for sure.

01:01:22.000 Um and even at the rap party, uh people these guys hang out after, like all the actors hang out afterward.

01:01:27.000 The cast, the crew, everybody's hanging out after hours.

01:01:29.000 They're not just turning into ghosts, they're hanging out, having a great time.

01:01:33.000 Uh rap party, like uh I've heard that a lot of the the like number one on the call sheets, maybe they'll make a quick appearance and leave or something like that.

01:01:39.000 I mean, Chris is there, he's in it, having a great time.

01:01:42.000 Uh everyone thanking everybody, and such a such a great guy.

01:01:45.000 Uh he's a very normal guy for a movie star, he's oddly normal.

01:01:49.000 Yeah, yeah, he's a normal guy that's like I mean, just like us.

01:01:52.000 We spent time with him, you know, outside of anything.

01:01:54.000 Well, I hung out with him in hunting camp.

01:01:56.000 You know, we okay together.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:57.000 So it was like he just hangs out with everybody.

01:01:59.000 He was like so cool, yeah, so normal.

01:02:02.000 Yeah, you know, for a movie star, yeah.

01:02:03.000 Just be chilling.

01:02:04.000 Such a great guy.

01:02:05.000 We uh we we've like speaking of Tom Cruise and all the stunts.

01:02:08.000 So the last thing that we filmed in Morocco was underwater sequences, so it was was not filmed linear in a linear style.

01:02:14.000 So from so it's from the first episode.

01:02:16.000 So it's Chris falling off the boat and being underwater.

01:02:19.000 And he's in this pool underwater, not a stunt double.

01:02:22.000 We had some stunt double do some falls and stuff like that.

01:02:24.000 Uh Chris Romro, who's awesome, looks like Chris, takes some crazy beatings.

01:02:28.000 Um, and he's a huge dude.

01:02:28.000 He's amazing.

01:02:30.000 He can just stand right here and do a backflip.

01:02:31.000 Like it's it's insane.

01:02:33.000 It's it's awesome.

01:02:34.000 Uh, and such a nice guy, too.

01:02:36.000 But uh Chris underwater, like, and you can have this underwater like uh communication system.

01:02:40.000 And they're like, all right, ready, three, two, one, action.

01:02:42.000 And he takes a thing from a regulator, and then it goes away, and then we're filming.

01:02:47.000 And he was under there for like three plus minutes holding his breath, doing this stuff.

01:02:50.000 And for anyone who's tried to hold their breath for three minutes, that's holding a breast for three minutes just sitting still is hard.

01:02:50.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.000 But underwater.

01:02:57.000 And we're like nuts.

01:02:58.000 And we'll be watching this thing, we're like, Uh is he okay?

01:03:01.000 Uh and now he's just showing off at certain point we're like, cut, and he stays down there like, what?

01:03:05.000 Like he's just now he's just showing off at this point.

01:03:07.000 Did he play that?

01:03:08.000 I think he's just a bit from wrestling and from all this other stuff, breath control stuff.

01:03:11.000 He's such an athlete uh that I think it was just kind of natural.

01:03:14.000 I don't think he was prepping for it.

01:03:15.000 I think he just did it.

01:03:16.000 And uh but it looks so good.

01:03:18.000 It looks crazy, all the stuff that he gave us down there.

01:03:20.000 It's amazing.

01:03:21.000 And that's how we finished up the show is to finish that, all the casting crew around at night, all the lights, underwater stuff, Chris getting yanked out of the water, and then that was the end, and we went right to the party from there.

01:03:30.000 So that's awesome.

01:03:31.000 Then we have to talk about the future of the show.

01:03:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:33.000 We stayed up pretty late.

01:03:34.000 Um, and uh and me and Chris and the showrunner and Jared Shaw, who you you met when we were hunting that time, who gave Chris the book, former CEO buddy of mine, and uh and so we all had to talk about the future of the show.

01:03:44.000 So hopefully it's uh Savage Sun next.

01:03:47.000 And that's people's favorite, I think, of the books.

01:03:49.000 That and Red Sky Morning, the last one, and and mine is this one.

01:03:52.000 Everyone has been my favorite thus far.

01:03:54.000 But uh uh This Vietnam book's your favorite book you've written.

01:03:57.000 Yep, hands down.

01:03:58.000 Uh one because how much I put into it, and one, I want to get better with everything that I every book I think has gotten better as I go along.

01:04:05.000 And if I can say that truthfully to myself, then I feel like I'm doing doing my job and doing my service to the story, which in turn serves the reader, people who are trusting me with his time that they're never gonna get back.

01:04:14.000 Well, it's like every other skill, right?

01:04:16.000 The more time you invest in it, and the more you hone it, and the more attention.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, it has to.

01:04:22.000 It should be getting better.

01:04:23.000 It has to.

01:04:24.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 You have to get better.

01:04:25.000 Because you can tell when people start phoning it in.

01:04:28.000 You know, they're not enthusiastic anymore.

01:04:28.000 You can tell.

01:04:30.000 And this one, I mean, like there's a lot of pressure from publishers also to get things in on time, because now I sell like maybe at the beginning it didn't matter, but at this stage it it matters because of the number of books that are being sold.

01:04:42.000 So they need to and it's a business, and so they need to make their their numbers.

01:04:45.000 And so, as a creative person, they are putting a lot of pressure to get it done.

01:04:50.000 Just get it done.

01:04:51.000 And uh and I have to fend that off.

01:04:52.000 I have to like the hey, whatever pressure is put on me from the outside, I've got to focus on this story, and it's gonna be done when it's done, because it has to be the best that it can possibly be.

01:05:00.000 And uh, but that's a lot of that's a lot of pressure coming in from the outside, and you have to fend it off.

01:05:03.000 But I can see, you know, how if you're I can see it being very easy to just say, okay, I got to a hundred thousand words, I gotta wrap this thing up.

01:05:10.000 Right.

01:05:10.000 And I'll never I'll never do that.

01:05:12.000 My readers mean too much to me.

01:05:13.000 The story means too much to me.

01:05:14.000 This profession means too much for me to ever do something like that.

01:05:17.000 How many what is the percentage of audio books versus hard copy?

01:05:21.000 A lot more audio.

01:05:22.000 Really?

01:05:22.000 A lot more.

01:05:23.000 Like how much more?

01:05:24.000 I don't know, because I don't look at the numbers.

01:05:25.000 I'm not a business guy, I'm more of an entrepreneurial type of mind.

01:05:28.000 Um so just knowing that Simon and Schuster is incredibly happy across the board.

01:05:31.000 So these the hardbacks. 0.99

01:05:33.000 They they do have numbers, yeah, and they share them, and I just see numbers, and but I couldn't tell you exactly what it's like.

01:05:37.000 But it's a lot more.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, it's a lot more interesting.

01:05:39.000 And I think that's Ray Porter.

01:05:40.000 I mean, incredible.

01:05:42.000 Fantastic, such a good human being, too.

01:05:42.000 He's really good.

01:05:44.000 He we use his voice in uh in Dark World for those those listening.

01:05:47.000 They'll uh they'll be able to recognize it.

01:05:49.000 But that's awesome skill to be able to do all those different voices and accents and then not have it jarring that a man is playing a woman.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, you know, which is weird because he plays he's gotta play a woman's voice. 0.62

01:06:00.000 That's a tough one for any guy. 0.99

01:06:02.000 Fucking weird. 0.98

01:06:03.000 You know, it's weird because you have to kind of like there's a suspension of disbelief. 0.99

01:06:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:07.000 You know, in the in the real world. 1.00

01:06:08.000 You're like, hey, fuck off. 1.00

01:06:09.000 That's not a chick. 1.00

01:06:10.000 You know, if you get a phone call from a lady, so where are we gonna meet? 0.99

01:06:10.000 Right. 0.99

01:06:13.000 Yeah, it's at the barber shop.

01:06:15.000 Like, what they call that a clue. 0.99

01:06:17.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:06:18.000 Yeah, call that a clue. 1.00

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 You probably listen to it.

01:06:21.000 Unless you're looking for it, I guess.

01:06:22.000 His girl voice is oddly believable.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, I mean I can own anybody else who can do it, do it better.

01:06:27.000 That's uh that's a tough one.

01:06:28.000 That's a tough position to put a person in.

01:06:29.000 Like they do this.

01:06:30.000 Like Rafa.

01:06:31.000 Oh my gosh.

01:06:32.000 I gave him a tough one in this one too.

01:06:33.000 I have a guy who's actually based on a real person in the book he lives in real life, he died in, I think, 1965.

01:06:39.000 But it was a uh a Finnish officer who uh got the uh whatever the Finnish uh cross is, it's in the book.

01:06:46.000 I forget exactly what it is, but then fought for the Germans and got like the German Manheim Cross or something, and then after World War II, they tried to grab a bunch of people who had uh experience in essentially eastern Europe to bring over to our military so that we would have experience if we went to war with the Soviets.

01:07:01.000 And so they brought all these guys in into the military, and so then he gets a bronze star in the United States military, Army Special Forces, his helicopter went down.

01:07:08.000 I think it was 1965, but he was part of Mac V Sog.

01:07:11.000 So I fictionalized his character in here.

01:07:13.000 So I had to give those three so I have to have so Finnish, German, and English kind of a morph, and Ray Porter has to do that.

01:07:21.000 And so he has to read that and uh and come up with something like that, and he he pulls it off.

01:07:25.000 It's incredible.

01:07:26.000 Wow.

01:07:26.000 I was just texting up him before I came in here, actually, and he's uh filming a play up in in Oregon waiting for Godot I think right now.

01:07:32.000 So I'd love to see him on stage and see uh just see him not just doing the voice but acting.

01:07:37.000 Yeah I don't I've never seen him in anything I don't think he's dark side he's dark side in that uh Justice League.

01:07:42.000 So but that's a bunch of you can't really you know seen that.

01:07:45.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 So he's in he's in that.

01:07:47.000 So he's in uh Almost Famous uh a bunch of sitcoms in the 90s and uh just but just an awesome dude but but yeah audiobooks I think it's because of podcasts.

01:07:56.000 I think people listen to a podcast and it is a very natural way to then get whatever you're talking about on the podcast through the same medium.

01:08:02.000 So over to audio book.

01:08:04.000 It's just a very natural transition to listen to the audio book.

01:08:06.000 And a lot of people are doing both thank goodness.

01:08:08.000 So they're getting the hardcover and then they're listening on the car on the way home and then they get inside and they're reading a little bit before bed, get up to go to work in the morning, pick up again where they left off reading.

01:08:16.000 So a lot of people are doing both.

01:08:18.000 Well you know Audible the way it works with Tinder Tinder Kindle rather there's uh there's an app where it'll pick up where you are what is it exactly what is it?

01:08:33.000 Whisper?

01:08:34.000 Whisper sync I believe Whisper sync something like that.

01:08:36.000 So it picks up exactly where you left off reading and it'll pick up with the audio on a Kindle though.

01:08:41.000 And then the audio book will know that you uh you're you're reading at night.

01:08:46.000 Interesting and so pick up where you left off the next day.

01:08:49.000 But that's not beyond a Kindle.

01:08:49.000 Interesting.

01:08:51.000 I can't do the Kindle I feel that I do so much work on a screen that I don't want to have something I read for enjoyment to be the same thing.

01:08:51.000 Mm-hmm.

01:08:58.000 So I want it to be I'm in a physical book to go through I just I'm just that kind of guy.

01:09:01.000 The dope thing about a Kindle though is you can get 80 books on it or probably 8000 instead of my luggage I don't even know how many you can get on him honestly but and then though also the white paper screen where it really does look like paper. 0.76

01:09:12.000 Pretty fucking incredible.

01:09:13.000 Yeah still for me once again like the watches like the cars I have a thing it's a theme. 0.95

01:09:16.000 Oh listen my wife's the same way she won't she only reads book books to feel the books. 1.00

01:09:21.000 I love that a lot of people are like it's like there's a it's a thing that you have in your hands and you're turning the pages is like the tactile feeling and you gotta have that when you're halfway into the book like oh my God things are getting crazy I'm halfway in here.

01:09:33.000 This is how's he gonna wrap this up you can't see it rather than I'm at 37%.

01:09:37.000 Exactly I mean anything just a different type of uh type of a deal but I picked up uh Charlie Sheen's book in the airport on the way here oh did you and uh so I'm reading that about halfway through because he's coming on my on the podcast and I want to talk to him and ask him about you know apocalypse I'm gonna keep it to apocalypse now platoon navy seals kind of like keep it in in that kind of thing but reading that book oh my gosh it's it's amazing but I had to buy it I couldn't just get it on the P I already had the PDF they sent it to me but I wanted to buy the book.

01:09:59.000 I wanted to physically have it and make my notes in there and all that so um so I'm so I'm doing that but listening to him on this on your podcast was uh it was so interesting.

01:10:07.000 Oh you should yeah this is what I told people like you can't be normal if you're on the set of apocalypse now when you're 10 years old and then 10 years later you're in platoon.

01:10:20.000 Yeah you're the lead yeah in platoon ten years later like how is yeah how do you expect that guy to be normal yeah no one can handle that it's not handleable.

01:10:30.000 Yeah that level of stardom is uh especially in the eighties before phones and everything else when they got after it and the drugs yeah I mean he was involved in so much drugs from early on.

01:10:41.000 Yeah and back then you could do drugs you didn't die. 0.53

01:10:44.000 He didn't die was in all fentanyl actually one of the ladies he talked about in the documentary that gave him a blowjob while he was smoking crack for the first time.

01:10:52.000 I saw that she died of an overdose but you gotta try hard it's not like today you gotta accidentally do a snort of Coke and then it's fentanyl as and you're dead. 0.67

01:11:01.000 And that's a hundred thousand people in America every year.

01:11:01.000 Right.

01:11:04.000 It's crazy.

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 But what he was doing was just going hog wild.

01:11:10.000 That he's alive.

01:11:11.000 And he's alive.

01:11:12.000 Yeah and he looks good.

01:11:13.000 He looks yeah he looks great dude he looks a lot better than he's looked in p in the past.

01:11:17.000 Like when he came in here I'm like dude you look healthy.

01:11:20.000 I think he said he'd almost been sober for eight years been sober for seven plus years.

01:11:25.000 It's coming on eight years.

01:11:26.000 I think he said December I forget.

01:11:28.000 But it was very impressive.

01:11:29.000 And he's like really nice guy.

01:11:31.000 Yeah.

01:11:31.000 You know it seems like it he uh he he he likes a fan of the books beforehand so he likes all this stuff likes Dark Wolf likes Terminal List all that stuff.

01:11:38.000 So yeah so that'll be fun to fun to talk to him and also I went to see Navy SEALs the the day before it came out there was a showing at like midnight on Thursday or something like that before it came out on Friday back when I was in uh in high school and I knew I was going to be a SEO so I was so excited I'm like they cast Charlie Sheen the guy from Platoon in this I'm like ah perfect casting and uh and so I went and saw it then so it'll be fun to talk to him about that stuff.

01:11:57.000 And I do remember we I did meet him at a is it Red Sox game is that the one that they watch is that his team I think so but him and his dad were in a box next to us so I was still in the SEAL teams and I was with some of the guys that were on the Bin Laden raid and we were in one of the the owners boxes, and uh and Charlie Sheen was next to us with his dad.

01:12:12.000 And uh somehow they got to talking or whatever, and so we went over there, he came over to us, I can't remember, with his dad and uh said hi, and he was he was fantastic, his dad was such a gentleman.

01:12:21.000 That stands out to me.

01:12:22.000 But Charlie Sheen was awesome, so personable, he was great, but his dad was so nice, and I stand like an old school type gentleman is what stood out about Martin Sheen.

01:12:30.000 And then what also stands out is then we then left there at the end of the game, and there was a line of girls down the I'll tell him this when I see if he remembers you might not remember.

01:12:39.000 But it probably happened almost every day for him.

01:12:42.000 Just a line of girls down the hallway outside of the owner's box. 1.00

01:12:44.000 Trying to meet him.

01:12:46.000 Yeah, they weren't there for me.

01:12:47.000 Well, what are you gonna do?

01:12:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:49.000 But they were there for Charlie.

01:12:50.000 And uh that was pretty cool.

01:12:52.000 Must be rough.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:56.000 And then you guys came back in and had to deal with the the Charlie Kirk assassination, and I thought you guys handled that in such a such a thoughtful way, real time.

01:13:04.000 Uh that's a tough position for both you guys to be in.

01:13:06.000 I hadn't seen it yet, you know.

01:13:08.000 I just heard, and then I really didn't want to see it.

01:13:12.000 I said I wasn't gonna see it, but then someone someone texted it to me, and I just couldn't help myself.

01:13:17.000 I clicked on like, oh wanted to watch that.

01:13:20.000 I know.

01:13:21.000 So sad.

01:13:22.000 I was signing the those books.

01:13:23.000 I was signing the the books right there that day with my chief of staff, and and uh she was passing me the books and I'm signing them.

01:13:29.000 We're checking off the the names for these pub boxes, and uh all of a sudden her phone goes off and I hear she screams and uh it's like whoa, what happened?

01:13:36.000 And her husband is uh in the security field.

01:13:38.000 Um, and uh she said Charlie Kirk's been shot in Utah.

01:13:41.000 I'm like so I of course go to X and then see it.

01:13:45.000 And I think I didn't get to my kids in time because uh my daughter and our youngest son are both uh follow him, think feel like they know him essentially, and I didn't get to them in time before they they saw it.

01:13:54.000 So our youngest I was most concerned about uh seeing that, being away from home at boarding school, and uh anyway, called the school, one of the guys uh there's like a trusted agent, he's like a guy's guy like us, and went over and tracked him down and he was doing fine.

01:14:06.000 But it's uh it's different than seeing in the paper or on having Walter Cronkite report that JFK was killed.

01:14:12.000 That's that's different, I think.

01:14:14.000 Uh challenger for us in school when you're growing up, like we saw it explode, but you're not seeing the people, you're not seeing it as viscerally it from all these different angles from cell phones immediately, so graphic.

01:14:25.000 Uh just so heartbreaking, so so heartbreaking.

01:14:28.000 Um but you guys, I mean you guys were had to do it like real time, and uh you guys were very thoughtful about how you don't know.

01:14:35.000 It was weird.

01:14:36.000 It it always feels surreal when someone dies, but when someone gets assassinated like that, and then there was the weirdness of the reactions of people that that was the most disturbing aspect of it where I was like, what is what have we done?

01:14:50.000 I know like what have we done to people's minds with social media and with political discourse that you are thrilled that someone was murdered in front of his children on the internet for the world to see, and you're you are celebrating because you didn't like his ideas.

01:15:09.000 Yeah.

01:15:10.000 Like that is so crazy that we've gone that far.

01:15:15.000 Yeah.

01:15:15.000 I mean, you feel you could feel the the evil, and as much as I tried not to look at all these reactions, it's just being fed to me because of the the algorithm and everything else.

01:15:23.000 So there were two in particular, one guy, one lady, and they were like cackling, like a witch's cackle, like out of a like some sort of a uh some sort of a fairy tale that's meant to scare kids that you know, but in real life, celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, and I mean that was revolting, but you could feel the evil through the cackles.

01:15:40.000 I've never felt like that before.

01:15:41.000 I've I mean very few times I should say.

01:15:44.000 I think a lot of it is very performative, and I think a lot of people are doing it for clicks and likes, and they think that there's a lot of like-minded people that feel the way they feel, and then there was a a wave of people that were like excited about losing someone who was a right-wing influencer.

01:16:00.000 They were happy about it.

01:16:01.000 It was real weird.

01:16:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:04.000 And continues to really kind of fuck with my head because I didn't think that that would be the case. 0.99

01:16:08.000 I had hoped it would be very few people. 0.99

01:16:11.000 I I'd I'd hoped, but it wasn't.

01:16:13.000 It was a lot.

01:16:14.000 It was a lot in real life, too.

01:16:16.000 It wasn't just social media.

01:16:18.000 You know, I have I've had multiple friends that encountered people celebrating in real life.

01:16:23.000 One of my friends w was at a cafe writing, and this lady came in and she was on a Zoom call, and uh she it was right after the assassination, and she gets in the Zoom call and she's like, Well, I don't know about you guys, but I am having a great day now.

01:16:39.000 And they were like, This is a great day.

01:16:42.000 I'm having a great day too.

01:16:44.000 I'm having a great day.

01:16:46.000 The events of the day have made me very happy.

01:16:49.000 And they were laughing and smiling and like clapping about publicly.

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:54.000 Like in in a cafe.

01:16:56.000 It was a very obvious what they were talking about.

01:16:59.000 Like, that's so gross.

01:17:01.000 Uh and feel comfortable enough to do that.

01:17:03.000 Right, that that's acceptable.

01:17:05.000 You're you're you want that attached to you for the rest of your life, and you don't take one second to say, uh, maybe even from a practical standpoint, like maybe I should just sit this out.

01:17:13.000 Even if I feel happy, maybe I should do some reevaluations.

01:17:15.000 But even if that's not the case, uh like maybe I should just sit this one out type of a thing.

01:17:19.000 But instead they feel comfortable to jump on and say those things. 0.91

01:17:22.000 I mean, it was ridiculous. 0.56

01:17:23.000 And I I mean you felt the I mean I could feel the evil coming through the phone, which is a strange thing to say. 0.59

01:17:27.000 And I've been like in Bagram early on in the war in Afghanistan.

01:17:30.000 I remember the uh I forget for I don't know if it was a really a black site prison, but it was like a nasty prison.

01:17:34.000 Like had this smell and you could feel like this like kind of this overriding sense of I don't know, yeah, despair, but also like this little little bit of uh a current of evil in there, and then same thing in Baghdad where they held Saddam, like being in there. 0.56

01:17:44.000 I've been in both those places, and uh and you kind of feel a little and but even more so you feel it with Saddam's kids, and they're like they have these little islands and palaces, and you know what they did there, uh they could pull in girls off the street and that sort of thing, and you just feel dirty or you feel evil. 0.95

01:17:58.000 I mean you sense it in some of those places, but uh but I felt that same kind of thing coming through the phone, and then I felt it again.

01:18:04.000 It's weird to feel it so many times.

01:18:05.000 My wife when I were in Paris, like I said, right before I came out here.

01:18:09.000 Uh so it was Morocco finishing the show for about a month, then to Paris, and it happened to be Fashion Week, and we weren't there for Fashion Week, it just happened to be Fashion Week.

01:18:16.000 So it's uh which is still going on now, I think.

01:18:18.000 But we were in this uh we wanted to go to one dinner where we could see some people, kind of do some people watching, and I could uh store some of it away for books and that's what I'm always collecting.

01:18:25.000 Always collecting.

01:18:26.000 And so we went to the one at the place that uh Kardashians again where they stay called like COTIS or co- Anyway, went into this hotel that's that's uh where a lot of the fashion people stay.

01:18:33.000 And it was interesting at first.

01:18:34.000 We're seeing some people just treat the weight staff horribly.

01:18:37.000 Um and so you're getting kind of taking some notes on that, and uh and then this guy walks in with like two minions and you don't see his face because he's got this like hood on, but there are these earrings that are attached to the outside and they're hanging down and he's this like fairly obese person.

01:18:52.000 And so you never saw his face the way he was he we he walked in and then sat in front of us with these two guys on either side that had their sunglasses on and they were like both dressed very similarly and both side of them and they just were looking at him like this and just it it was so odd, but you felt this sense of evil, and I hate I I don't really like using that word too much, but you felt something odd so much so that uh we paid the bill and left.

01:19:13.000 It was odd.

01:19:15.000 It was so odd.

01:19:16.000 And uh similar thing that I felt coming across the phone with those people celebrating.

01:19:20.000 Who was like I don't know, we were gonna go back to our hotel and look up, like try to see like who's at Fashion Week, who dresses this way, because it was very strange.

01:19:27.000 It was like these black robes, and it was just the weirdest thing.

01:19:30.000 So odd.

01:19:31.000 Yeah, but attached through the through the like like your hoodies on and kind of like clipped to the outside or something and coming down like from the outside of like this thin hoodie, it was very bizarre.

01:19:40.000 Very bizarre.

01:19:41.000 But you felt like that person was evil.

01:19:43.000 I've never I mean, very rarely do you feel do I feel that anyway.

01:19:43.000 Yeah.

01:19:47.000 You know, it's very strange feeling.

01:19:49.000 But I've learned to listen to my to those feelings.

01:19:51.000 Listen to the gut, listen to the sixth sense that's kept us alive as a species for so long.

01:19:55.000 If you went to Davos when they have like those W World Economic Forum conferences, I'd bet you'd smell brimstone.

01:20:02.000 Maybe.

01:20:04.000 I bet you would be a good idea.

01:20:05.000 I'd be looking for it, though.

01:20:06.000 You know, that might be different if you're actually looking for it.

01:20:06.000 That's different.

01:20:08.000 It's kind of a difference.

01:20:08.000 I can go.

01:20:09.000 But I bet like whenever you can get a bunch of billionaires together that are trying to decide the fate of the world, I bet you feel evil.

01:20:15.000 I'm I'm gonna have to go to one of those at some point.

01:20:15.000 I don't know.

01:20:17.000 I did I did uh I did go to Bohemian Grove, I don't think you're supposed to talk about it, but it's uh I didn't feel that there.

01:20:22.000 Like it was more like guys getting away for the weekend to drink.

01:20:25.000 I've heard a lot of people say that about Bohemian Grove recently.

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:29.000 And and and I know people that have gone, like that have been invited.

01:20:32.000 Kid Rock told me he went. 0.99

01:20:33.000 A couple other guys told me they went, they're like, I want to see what the fuck it is. 0.99

01:20:36.000 And so they went. 0.97

01:20:37.000 I'm like, but did you ever watch the Alex Jones video?

01:20:39.000 Like when Alex Jones and John Ronson snuck in that's back when Alex Jones and John Ronson were united.

01:20:46.000 Who is John Ronson?

01:20:47.000 John Ronson is the British journalist.

01:20:49.000 Uh he's the guy who wrote So You've Been Publicly Shamed.

01:20:49.000 Okay.

01:20:52.000 I'll have to look that up.

01:20:52.000 I don't know.

01:20:53.000 It's uh about like one of the it's it's about like the first m mass cancellations through social media.

01:20:59.000 Oh, and like this new public shaming thing that happens.

01:21:03.000 Uh Very interesting guy.

01:21:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:05.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 But there it is.

01:21:07.000 There's Ronson.

01:21:08.000 Okay.

01:21:09.000 And so he snuck in with Alex Jones.

01:21:12.000 So I didn't see anything weird like that.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, I saw someone.

01:21:14.000 And uh but I know what you're talking about.

01:21:17.000 When I think about it, because I didn't see any of that stuff.

01:21:19.000 But uh I think it may be a good thing.

01:21:21.000 You probably don't do that anymore.

01:21:22.000 I don't know.

01:21:22.000 Maybe not.

01:21:23.000 But I but's probably ruined the party. 0.89

01:21:25.000 But I th when I'm thinking about it, if I think about it logically, you know when you like throw something into a fire, like at uh at Buds, guys would burn their dungarees and dungarees are uh like a regular Navy uniform.

01:21:25.000 Maybe.

01:21:35.000 And if you make it through Buds and don't get kicked out of the teams, you'll never have to wear that uniform again.

01:21:39.000 And it's like it was it was awful.

01:21:40.000 It was bell bottom jeans and a denim shirt, like tucked in that you had to starch you know, especially in boot camp in a way that like will you hold it out flat.

01:21:47.000 It's the it's awful.

01:21:48.000 Um and a little Dixie cup hat.

01:21:50.000 Like that's the uniform.

01:21:51.000 Like the worst uniform in the history of uniforms.

01:21:53.000 Like it is nothing tough about about that.

01:21:55.000 Uh but people would burn them. 0.73

01:21:57.000 And so like never going back, you know, like that sort of a thing.

01:21:59.000 And then 80% would quit.

01:22:01.000 But they burn the uh their uniform.

01:22:03.000 So I could think it may be something like that.

01:22:04.000 You know, you want to burn something, like I that's that's what I think it might be, but I don't know.

01:22:09.000 80% will quit before they get through buds.

01:22:12.000 Yeah.

01:22:13.000 Yeah.

01:22:14.000 Along the way.

01:22:14.000 Most in Hell Week, but uh but at some point along the way, typically 80% give or take, you know, won't make it.

01:22:19.000 But uh but burning that thing is kind of like burning the boats, which is not a real Hell Week, and then they still quit.

01:22:24.000 Some.

01:22:24.000 Some, not many, not many.

01:22:25.000 Most people will be performance dropped after that for uh not being comfortable in the water for pool comp when you're getting pounded off the the bottom of the pool by uh uh by instructors and then you're having to go through the right procedures to get your air turned back on and continue to to crawl, and then they come and hit you again and rip your mask off and hit you in the gut, so you expel your air, turn off your air, tire because it's the two hoses, super old school, tie them in a knot, and they back off to see that you're comfortable in the water and that you're gonna go through the right procedures to get everything working again and continue on.

01:22:51.000 So that's about 15 minutes of doing that.

01:22:53.000 Uh and some people just aren't comfortable in the water.

01:22:55.000 And so they'll just a panic thing?

01:22:58.000 I mean your air's cut off, uh, and it's easy to get more air.

01:22:58.000 Yeah.

01:23:01.000 I mean, you're only 10 feet or 15 feet, whatever it is, uh back to air.

01:23:05.000 So it's very easy to get that air.

01:23:06.000 But you have to go through the right procedures and just like you've been taught and be very comfortable.

01:23:10.000 And yeah, that's that's what the test is all about.

01:23:14.000 Yeah, so you're you lose some air.

01:23:16.000 So it's just it just makes you even more uncomfortable.

01:23:19.000 But that makes a big difference.

01:23:20.000 Like who's punching you?

01:23:21.000 Yeah, instructor, yeah.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, and where they're hitting you.

01:23:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:24.000 That it's a yeah, and they pounce you off the bottom.

01:23:26.000 You kind of just go limp.

01:23:27.000 Just relax, just like in Jiu-Jitsu or something like that.

01:23:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:23:29.000 Like, okay, relax, and then okay, now I'm gonna get into this.

01:23:32.000 So uh I love I love that sort of thing, because that was the only time in Buds where it was like mono imano against the instructor.

01:23:38.000 The rest of the time she's getting yelled at, being told you're worthless, push-ups, sit-ups, run, swim.

01:23:42.000 But now it's like, okay, you and me.

01:23:44.000 I I love that.

01:23:45.000 Same thing, like it's called uh life saving.

01:23:48.000 So that's the other time you get to put your hands on the instructors is you have to go out and they'll act like a different type of person drowning, so they'll fight you or they're just dead weights or something like that, and they're different body types.

01:23:57.000 And so you get to go, you swim out towards them, and then you have to get them back, and they'll take you down to the bottom, hit you off the bottom, and so they're doing the work in that in that that situation.

01:24:05.000 And you just relax, hold on, just like you've got someone in like a rear naked choke type thing.

01:24:09.000 And uh and then they have to go up, they're expending their energy keeping you down there.

01:24:12.000 They're gonna have to go up and get the air.

01:24:13.000 So just wait, up to the top, grab a little bit of air, get closer to the side of the pool, then they take you down again, type of a thing.

01:24:19.000 And I love that because that's the only time you can put your hands on an instructor.

01:24:22.000 Uh I thought that was that was good.

01:24:23.000 I like that.

01:24:24.000 So but you have to put your hands on them like you're rescuing them.

01:24:28.000 Yeah, you can't just choke them.

01:24:29.000 No.

01:24:32.000 I'm gonna put him to sleep.

01:24:33.000 Yeah, no, but there's some similarities there, just some similarities with body positions and and all that sort of thing, just being comfortable uh with uh with how to do it.

01:24:39.000 But there's limitations on how you grab them.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, they teach you how to how to how to grab them and how to get towards the side of the pool type of thing.

01:24:45.000 Right.

01:24:45.000 You can't keep them down if you get better breath than they do.

01:24:48.000 No.

01:24:48.000 You can't like hold on to them.

01:24:50.000 No, I don't think so.

01:24:50.000 I don't think it's a good idea.

01:24:53.000 But today on motherfuckers. 0.98

01:24:54.000 I mean, I guess somebody could, you know, but that's uh that's like if you're a world champion free diver, if you're one of those 10 minute dudes. 0.99

01:25:00.000 You do have some people like that to come through.

01:25:02.000 I bet.

01:25:02.000 You know, you do have some really incredible athletes that come through.

01:25:05.000 And a lot of them don't make it because they're being treated like uh Ferraris or Lamborghinis most of their life if they're really an elite athlete.

01:25:05.000 I bet.

01:25:11.000 Right.

01:25:11.000 And then all of a sudden they're being treated like a like a Chevy, you know, and just thrown through walls or whatever, and it's like eh.

01:25:16.000 Not uh crazy pressure test that has to be done.

01:25:19.000 I mean, there's no real job that's similar other than you know, Rangers and other elite special forces teams where you have to get through this horrific thing to prove that you're the type of person that they want to train.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, you've got to be able to do that.

01:25:35.000 Like we're not sure if we want to train you even.

01:25:37.000 Yeah.

01:25:37.000 So we we don't we don't know if we're ever gonna use you.

01:25:40.000 And so we're gonna try to break you.

01:25:40.000 Yeah.

01:25:42.000 Yeah.

01:25:42.000 Gonna prove that you want to be here.

01:25:43.000 And that you have the mental fortitude to be here.

01:25:45.000 Um and that you have uh you can work as a team.

01:25:47.000 There's a few different things that they're they're looking for, but uh it's worked for a while.

01:25:50.000 You know, it's worked for a long time, it's a good test.

01:25:52.000 But it was getting really weird during the wokey wokey years where they were talking about lowering the standards.

01:25:58.000 Right, there is that.

01:25:59.000 And then the So the standard part, so even if they say that they're not lowering the standards, this is how they get around it.

01:26:05.000 And this is military in general, um, that they give you more chances.

01:26:09.000 So before if you only got one or two chances, maybe three, something like that, to pass an evolution, maybe the standard remains the same, but in order to get this person, said person through, now you get four chances, five chances, six chances, seven chances, eight chances.

01:26:24.000 So they say the standards have not changed.

01:26:26.000 Well, okay, not really, but you gave them a lot more chances, which you didn't give other people before who were washed out of the program because they only got one chance or two chances or three.

01:26:35.000 So it's uh like what would it be that you would get more chances doing?

01:26:39.000 Like that pool comp thing.

01:26:40.000 I think you got uh yeah, two chances on the first day and two chances on the second day.

01:26:44.000 And uh I passed the first day uh just I happen to be comfortable in the water, but uh but some guys made it through on that fourth one, like oh, made it just made it.

01:26:51.000 But they didn't get a fifth.

01:26:52.000 They did not get a sixth.

01:26:53.000 And now maybe I don't I don't know if this is true, but this is a way around the standards.

01:26:53.000 Right.

01:26:57.000 Uh give somebody a fifth, give them a sixth, something like that.

01:26:59.000 Or you failed the old course.

01:27:00.000 Uh okay, one time you get some sort of a like a warning or something like that, and then you do it again, second time you're out, or whatever it is.

01:27:08.000 Well, now you can just just as many times as it takes.

01:27:10.000 Oh, they passed it.

01:27:11.000 They passed it once.

01:27:12.000 Let's move them on. 0.98

01:27:13.000 Were they doing that to just expand the ranks or were they doing it to get a specific demographic?

01:27:18.000 Well, I'm not saying that they did it, I'm saying that's how you would get around the standards.

01:27:23.000 Uh like the you'd be able to say that we haven't uh we haven't lowered the standards type of a thing when you're in front of Congress.

01:27:23.000 Right.

01:27:29.000 And they don't know that to ask those kind of questions.

01:27:31.000 Well, did you okay?

01:27:32.000 Well, did you give them more chances?

01:27:34.000 Did you change anything?

01:27:35.000 Yeah, that something like that.

01:27:37.000 So they can get away with uh yeah, telling the truth-ish, but not expanding on that.

01:27:41.000 So that's just a way to do it.

01:27:43.000 So um bizarre sign of the times to make elite special forces units more easy to get into.

01:27:49.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 It's uh it's a thing.

01:27:51.000 Strange.

01:27:52.000 Because there was a push to lower standards.

01:27:52.000 Right?

01:27:52.000 Yeah.

01:27:55.000 There's a push to try to get women in it too, right? 1.00

01:27:57.000 I think so.

01:27:57.000 I don't know how much of a push it is or for it.

01:28:00.000 I don't know how far they've gotten.

01:28:01.000 I think there were a couple that tried it and haven't made it.

01:28:03.000 I'm not sure because I'm so removed from it now.

01:28:05.000 But uh I think they're at the I don't know if there's a push for it, but it's open now.

01:28:09.000 And the part of that is it's for me, it's you know, I'll probably get canceled now.

01:28:13.000 But uh, you know, or we maybe we're past that, I don't know.

01:28:15.000 But uh to me it's it's not and what they what they say now we have to say officially, I think, is that the standards are the same, it doesn't matter if you're male or female, standards remain the same, okay, fine.

01:28:25.000 Um but when you get to an elite unit like that or any unit, and this might be a failing on my part, I fully uh admit that.

01:28:32.000 I mean, I was raised uh when a woman enters a room, you stand up, you open the door for a lady type of a thing, like those things. 0.99

01:28:38.000 You stand up for like you're you're you're chivalrous, you're a gentleman type of a thing.

01:28:42.000 Um and now all of a sudden in a leadership position, I'm supposed to treat a female the exact same way that I treat a male going into combat.

01:28:50.000 There's no way I could possibly ever do that.

01:28:52.000 I'm gonna be much more concerned about her than I am him.

01:28:54.000 And once again, that might be a failing on my part, I fully accept that.

01:28:58.000 But uh I'm glad I never had to deal with it in real life, but I see that being something that comes into play, especially if you're raised to protect as a as a protector, as a sentinel as a guardian, and uh now all of a sudden you're supposed to treat said female who've been raised to protect, uh treat them exactly the same way as a guy going into combat.

01:29:16.000 That would be difficult for me.

01:29:17.000 There's certain physical realities I feel that we just have to address.

01:29:21.000 When people want to talk about equality – I understand that when you're talking about jobs that don't require shooting people and stabbing people in hand-to-hand combat.

01:29:30.000 Okay.

01:29:31.000 Because as soon as you do that and you are physically far weaker and far slower, and you're you just you're just you're not a man.

01:29:41.000 It's a different thing.

01:29:43.000 I feel the same way about women, like if you wanted to have a cross gender combat sports, if you want to have m biological men fighting biological women.

01:29:52.000 I don't care if they're the same weight.

01:29:54.000 Like don't it's not fair.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 It's not fair.

01:29:57.000 It's not it's not smart for them to be doing that.

01:30:00.000 Yeah.

01:30:01.000 That said, I feel like you should be able to do what you want to do.

01:30:04.000 I know it's tough.

01:30:05.000 Right.

01:30:06.000 And I don't want to limit anybody's choices in this life.

01:30:08.000 But if you want the best people for the job, I can't see how they're going to be weaker people.

01:30:15.000 That doesn't really make sense.

01:30:17.000 And if you have a physical requirement for all the men, and that physical requirement involves a lot of like heavy physical working out and labor.

01:30:25.000 I don't know that a woman can pass that. 1.00

01:30:28.000 Yeah.

01:30:29.000 Like I've seen what you guys had to go through to get through buds.

01:30:32.000 And like, okay.

01:30:33.000 You have to be strong.

01:30:34.000 Like you have to, there has to be a certain amount of physical strength that you have to be able to do that.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 For me, it even comes, yeah.

01:30:39.000 I guess that it comes down to to that.

01:30:41.000 And it's probably my failing, but maybe not.

01:30:43.000 Maybe we're supposed to be.

01:30:44.000 I think we're supposed to be protectors.

01:30:46.000 All throughout human history, that's been the case.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.000 And then you're supposed to all of a sudden change because of a policy directive.

01:30:51.000 Um but yeah, I mean, we're going back to it.

01:30:52.000 I mean, it's causing a little ruffling a lot of feathers with in the military right now, uh changing the Department of Defense to the Department of War, which is and I'm not saying that they got this from me.

01:31:00.000 I'm just saying that they I've never heard anyone talk about it until I talked about it back in 2001.

01:31:06.000 And uh I wrote some articles after the Afghanistan withdrawal, and I call and went on Fox a bunch of times and talked about how we need to precision and language reflects precision and thought.

01:31:14.000 Department of Defense, Defense has a sort of connotation to it, a definition to it.

01:31:19.000 And the Department of War is different than a Department of Defense, just the language of it.

01:31:23.000 And I said we it's time to change the Department of Defense back to the Department of War, and I use the Afghanistan withdrawal as that example and put that in two articles.

01:31:30.000 I think they both went on Town Hall, I believe.

01:31:32.000 And then but I talked about it, and I had never heard anybody mention that before.

01:31:36.000 So is that what it used to be?

01:31:37.000 It used to be the Department of the United States.

01:31:39.000 And then it changed, and then it was uh official in uh 1947 with the reorganization of the military and our intelligence apparatus.

01:31:47.000 Uh so 1947 onward became the Department of Defense.

01:31:50.000 Do you take any heat in your books?

01:31:52.000 Because one of the things that you talk about uh especially in the terminal list is horrific government corruption and the willingness to put soldiers' lives uh as expendable in order to profit.

01:32:07.000 Yeah.

01:32:08.000 I certainly talk about it in here.

01:32:09.000 I was a great conversation.

01:32:10.000 One of my favorite chapters is these two characters, Tom Reese uh and his buddy Quinn.

01:32:13.000 So one special forces guy, one SEAL, and they're having this conversation on China Beach.

01:32:17.000 And uh it was great to write those chapters and do uh all this research into China Beach and Denang and uh who what kind of surfboards they were using, how they were shaved, like all this stuff just to bring you back to that uh to that time frame.

01:32:27.000 But that's what they're talking about.

01:32:28.000 So this is about James Reese's dad.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, 1968, his dad.

01:32:31.000 And uh people find out where the tomahawk came from, where the watch came from, where honey and the coffee came from.

01:32:36.000 So all these little things are kind of woven in there as well.

01:32:39.000 But exactly what you just talked about is a conversation in this book in 1968, and it's the same conversation that we're having today.

01:32:45.000 Um but uh I don't want to say I take heat over it, and I'm never gonna worry in a chapter or a book about uh who's who I'm gonna alienate by writing something uh here are criminals.

01:32:55.000 Are you gonna piss off the criminals?

01:32:57.000 Exactly.

01:32:58.000 Or the people in power.

01:32:58.000 Exactly.

01:32:59.000 Just being honest about what we did.

01:33:01.000 Or or just people in power in general or uh or any, or or just a part of a readership, maybe.

01:33:05.000 I'm just gonna focus on that story.

01:33:07.000 I have to focus on that story.

01:33:08.000 I'm not doing this, I'm not writing this for a reader, I'm writing this for the story, and that's the way I honor that reader.

01:33:13.000 So it's all about that story.

01:33:15.000 But um the CIA was has been very nice.

01:33:18.000 We got to film the uh the end of Dark Wolf at CIA headquarters, and I hadn't been back there since I was in the SEAL team.

01:33:23.000 So I'm at CIA headquarters.

01:33:24.000 I have a cameo in there that I live through at the uh at the end of the show on episode seven.

01:33:28.000 I'm the guard that uh that takes the guy's ID as he's leaving the uh and I have a one line, I think it's I say I say something anyway.

01:33:34.000 But uh it was very cool to be there in front of that memorial wall, that wall of stars, uh especially knowing some of those guys that are on there that are memorialized by those stars.

01:33:43.000 Um so the CIA was very uh kind to let us use that lobby.

01:33:47.000 Um they didn't ask us to change anything in the show, didn't put any restraints or restrictions on anything.

01:33:52.000 Um they just let us use it, and that was very cool.

01:33:54.000 Some guys came down that didn't need to come down that day, which was really cool.

01:33:57.000 Um, that wanted to talk to me about some stuff that I did in Iraq, and it was very, very cool to talk to them.

01:34:02.000 Very cool.

01:34:02.000 See the C the Museum there, I got a little tour of the CIA museum, all that stuff.

01:34:06.000 Um they've been very helpful.

01:34:08.000 The military, not so much.

01:34:08.000 The military does not let us use uh uh any aircraft carriers, submarines, helicopters, anything like that like they do for some other shows.

01:34:15.000 And I think that's probably because I blew an admiral up in his office in the first episode or stuff, her series and then in the book.

01:34:20.000 So I don't think the military is.

01:34:21.000 Is that really what it is, you think?

01:34:22.000 I think it probably is, because we were gonna use for the first show we were gonna use um Camp Pendleton.

01:34:27.000 And uh the Marines were all on board.

01:34:29.000 And uh then their Department of the Navy, so then the Navy found out about it and quashed it.

01:34:35.000 So we did not get to use Camp Pendleton.

01:34:37.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 So it's uh and like in Jack Ryan and stuff, I think they use actual military helicopters and uh maybe an amphibi ship or something like that.

01:34:44.000 So they get some support from they didn't.

01:34:47.000 They did exactly.

01:34:48.000 They're not blowing up admirals, they don't have corrupt admirals getting blown up in their offices with S fests. 0.88

01:34:52.000 So I don't think the military is a big fan.

01:34:54.000 The uh the rank and file are those guys are awesome.

01:34:56.000 But my book signings it's there's so many military, so much law enforcement, firefighters, first responders.

01:35:00.000 Um the audience is full of those guys, and it's so fantastic.

01:35:03.000 That's fiction though.

01:35:05.000 That seems so bitchy. 1.00

01:35:07.000 I know. 0.99

01:35:08.000 And it seems like also that that would be a very good recruitment tool because these guys look like badasses. 1.00

01:35:14.000 People are like, fuck, I want to be a SEAL. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Yeah, it's like fucking badass. 1.00

01:35:18.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:35:18.000 And so a lot of guys would probably join because of that series, and they're like, you uh bad guy. 0.97

01:35:26.000 It's a bad guy.

01:35:26.000 Yeah.

01:35:27.000 Exactly.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:30.000 What are you guys gonna let all the bad guys off the hook?

01:35:32.000 Exactly.

01:35:33.000 Come on.

01:35:33.000 You got a murderous bad guy that happens to be an admiral.

01:35:36.000 You don't want to see him get whacked. 0.96

01:35:38.000 Exactly.

01:35:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:39.000 It's fiction.

01:35:40.000 And I knew that would happen at some point.

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 I knew the uh people would eventually come through a line, signing line, and say, I joined the military because of you, or I became a police officer because of something I read in your books.

01:35:49.000 And because that's me, I was I was influenced by popular culture growing up and that helped me on my path into the SEAL teams.

01:35:55.000 So I I knew it would happen.

01:35:56.000 I didn't really conceptualize it any further than that.

01:35:58.000 But when it happened, I was first time, which was a couple years ago, because the first book came out in 2018.

01:36:02.000 So someone reads that at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.

01:36:04.000 Now they're a few years into this career in law enforcement or in the military.

01:36:07.000 And uh and guys have come up and said that now, and I'm always like, Oh man, I hope you made the right choice.

01:36:12.000 I'm like, oh I won't just I hope I was just one part of a lot of information that you took in in order to make this decision.

01:36:18.000 Um but uh but but they do say it now.

01:36:20.000 And uh like with David Morrell in uh in Phoenix the other night for the launch of the book, he has been through like burn units and stuff, saying hi to people as part of like USO tours and stuff, and people like missing arms and legs are totally burned, saying hey, I joined the military because of Rambo.

01:36:34.000 And him, it's like, oh he's such a nice guy.

01:36:36.000 He's just like oh I mean, it's like devastating, devastating.

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:41.000 Yeah, so it's uh but for me it's like hey, it's uh it's always gonna be about the story.

01:36:45.000 I knew that would happen, but it was a surprise the first time.

01:36:47.000 Kind of like the tattoo is the first surprise was a surprise the first time I saw it.

01:36:50.000 Like the baby the other night was the first I was surprised.

01:36:53.000 So it's uh yeah, it's uh it does that.

01:36:56.000 You really honor the actual experiences that these people have in your books.

01:37:01.000 It's it's very believable and realistic and it it does honor those people.

01:37:07.000 Thank you.

01:37:08.000 That's what I it's for this one in particular, that's what I wanted to do.

01:37:08.000 Thank you.

01:37:11.000 I wanted those guys who were not just Mac V Sog going over the borders uh and fighting this in denied areas where they weren't supposed to be in uh Cambodia Laos, North Vietnam, but uh anyone who stood up and went down there to serve, I wanted to make sure I honored them and gave my heart and soul to every word uh and I felt that responsibility as I was writing this.

01:37:27.000 I wanted those guys to read it and say, Oh, he put in the effort to get it right.

01:37:31.000 And even for people just lived through the 60s that didn't go downrange.

01:37:33.000 I wanted them to read it and say, Oh, he tried to he got close.

01:37:36.000 Even if I made a mistake here or there, like he put in the effort to try to capture the essence of 1968, and uh and that's so that's why so much work went into this.

01:37:44.000 But those guys that went into the tunnels like that. 0.77

01:37:48.000 That is some of those are some of the fucking craziest stories. 0.99

01:37:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:37:54.000 You're going into the tunnels hand to hand.

01:37:57.000 Yeah, with a 1911 and a flashlight and looking for Viet Cong and not knowing what you're gonna find. 0.82

01:38:03.000 Not knowing who's in there, not knowing what's waiting for you, what's booby trapped.

01:38:03.000 Crazy.

01:38:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:38:07.000 That's gotta be some of the toughest fighting one can do in the dark in a tunnel under the ground, essentially by yourself because you can't fit anybody else in there with you.

01:38:16.000 Did you watch Peaky Blinders?

01:38:17.000 No, I need to watch it.

01:38:19.000 It's really awesome.

01:38:20.000 But one of the uh aspects of these characters is that the the peaky blinders were all veterans.

01:38:20.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 Uh-huh.

01:38:28.000 And they were all in World War One in trench warfare.

01:38:30.000 Oh wow.

01:38:31.000 And they were in the tunnels.

01:38:32.000 Uh like the trenches, yeah.

01:38:33.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 And so like they they came back and they have flashbacks and there's a lot of like shell shock.

01:38:40.000 Yeah, waking up in the middle of night stabbing people, thinking thinking you're there again.

01:38:44.000 It's there's some wild scenes of them in the trenches.

01:38:48.000 Yeah.

01:38:48.000 And it's just like, Jesus.

01:38:50.000 And we're seeing some more of that trench stuff in uh in uh Ukraine.

01:38:54.000 I mean, whoa.

01:38:55.000 But live video though.

01:38:56.000 I mean, you're seeing like four K video off cell phones and drones and the drone stuff is scary.

01:39:01.000 I'm so glad that we don't have I didn't have to deal with that during my time. 0.98

01:39:04.000 It's fucking nuts. 0.96

01:39:06.000 There was watching a guy, he was in the back of a truck and uh they were running and the drone is coming out and he's firing at the drone and shoots it maybe three, four yards from him. 0.99

01:39:17.000 I saw that one.

01:39:18.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:39:19.000 Fucking nuts. 1.00

01:39:20.000 Fucking nuts. 1.00

01:39:21.000 And you realize like this is what they're dealing with. 1.00

01:39:23.000 Yeah.

01:39:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:39:25.000 Exploding drones that are whizzing towards them, and someone on the other end somewhere in the world has got a fucking joystick and trying to get you with it. 0.97

01:39:34.000 Yep. 0.88

01:39:35.000 I put that in True Believer, second book, and we put it in the show.

01:39:37.000 We filmed it in the second show out of a drone attack in there.

01:39:40.000 Um but that was a few few years ago.

01:39:42.000 And just imagine when it gets to the next stage where it sends a a uh mosquito in here, a fly and it's looking at your face and it's like, oh, warrant out for your arrest, boom, lands on you, over you go.

01:39:51.000 Exactly.

01:39:52.000 And uh and that sort of thing. 1.00

01:39:53.000 It's you with some toxic shit. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Yeah, it's so weird time. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:57.000 Yeah, like those videos that we just saw that look like Muhammad Ali is on the show.

01:40:01.000 I mean, all that sort of stuff.

01:40:02.000 I mean it's gonna we're getting to that point where it's going to identify you somehow, some sort of an identification through your eyes, through blood, through facial recognition, a combination of all three, and then that is gonna allow you to access whatever it is, information online, uh uh credit cards, all the rest of it, of course.

01:40:19.000 But what it's really doing is allowing something, whether it's the government or big tech, more control over you because eventually you're gonna go in and okay, to make sure this is you paying for let's say a stake, and now all of a sudden, oh, you've had your allotment of stake because of the environment because of the how many cows and whatever they're they're doing.

01:40:36.000 You can't buy this stake or uh your allotment of power for your vehicle, you've used yours up uh for the for the mother gas in your car, all of those things.

01:40:44.000 Uh but it's gonna know exactly because you're gonna have to do it to access information online.

01:40:50.000 Uh and we're getting closer and closer to that.

01:40:52.000 Well, anyone's just submitted to it, they just submitted to digital ID.

01:40:55.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:40:56.000 Yeah, these motherfuckers are pushing digital ID on these people. 1.00

01:41:00.000 And once they do digital ID, they're gonna attach it to a social credit score, they're gonna attach it to a carbon footprint score, and then they'll be able to control your movement and control you entirely, and mo most importantly, they've already arrested twelve thousand people for social media posts. 0.99

01:41:15.000 That's insane.

01:41:16.000 Above and beyond every other country, way above Russia, Russia was like four hundred last year.

01:41:22.000 The UK's twelve thousand.

01:41:24.000 There any criticism of immigration, any crimin criticism of grooming gangs and people being raped, any talk about how horrible this is, they come visit you.

01:41:34.000 It's like someone's trying to destroy England.

01:41:37.000 It's literally like they they've got a concerted effort to destroy England and they're getting away with it.

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 And what happens over there?

01:41:44.000 It's really crazy.

01:41:45.000 It's really crazy to watch.

01:41:47.000 Because the mass immigration's not an accident.

01:41:50.000 It's on it.

01:41:51.000 If I was gonna destroy a country, I would do it exactly the way they're doing it.

01:41:55.000 I'd take away their freedom, take away their ability to protest, take away their guns, which they did in the nineties, and then you start tightening that noose.

01:42:04.000 Tighter and tighter, add more restrictions, more this, more that's uh we're getting closer.

01:42:11.000 And just the arresting people.

01:42:12.000 When you arrest 12,000 people for social media posts, you don't just arrest people for social media posts, you change people's ability to to post about things because of fear.

01:42:22.000 So they self-censor. 1.00

01:42:23.000 So you don't even you're you're getting hitting them with like this one guy who complained about there's a famous video where this fucking idiot in a wig. 0.99

01:42:30.000 He's one of them judges in a they wear the wigs, the white powdered wigs, and he's uh sentencing this guy for twenty months for social media posts that are normal. 0.99

01:42:40.000 Like normal complaints about mass immigration of illegals from other countries that aren't assimilating and that are that they believe are ruining their society, which there's a real argument for. 0.99

01:42:51.000 And that's what online discourse is supposed to be about.

01:42:53.000 Like having conversations, like I'm v uh voicing my concern for the way society is running right now because of what's happening, and no one's doing anything about it, and no no one's protecting anybody.

01:43:05.000 It's nuts, man.

01:43:06.000 Any time in human history that would be called an invasion.

01:43:09.000 And uh and now it's it's not just an invasion, it's like they're doing it, they're letting people do it.

01:43:09.000 Yeah.

01:43:14.000 They're enabling these people doing it, and they're putting them on the dole too, which is even crazier.

01:43:20.000 And you know, you're seeing that in America as well.

01:43:22.000 Where they just uncovered uh a bunch of people that were illegals that had gid been given social security numbers and were already voting.

01:43:30.000 And this is nuts, man.

01:43:32.000 It's like it's a it it's a concerted effort.

01:43:35.000 And this was one of the main focuses that a lot of people had in the 2024 campaign.

01:43:40.000 There was one side that wanted to stop that, and one side that wanted to pretend that it was a good thing.

01:43:45.000 And like that you have an open border, and criminals and cartel members are just flooding through.

01:43:51.000 People from foreign countries of military fighting age just flooding through, and you're pretending there's nothing wrong with that. 1.00

01:43:59.000 Like you're setting us up for a real big fucking problem. 0.98

01:44:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:44:03.000 Have you seen the videos? 0.99

01:44:04.000 Uh I'm sure you have it's Bill Clinton, it's uh Hillary Clinton, it's uh Schumer, it's Pelosi, it's Biden from the nineties.

01:44:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:11.000 Like giving these speeches on the floor of Congress that uh today would uh would be extremely right wing.

01:44:17.000 Extremely normal.

01:44:18.000 It's Hillary Clinton.

01:44:20.000 In I think it was two thousand and twelve?

01:44:28.000 Like whatever it was where she was running for uh for president, and she's more MAGA than MAGA.

01:44:34.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 Like she is talking about if you're if you're a criminal, you know, no if ands are but you get kicked out, and if you're here you pay a stiff fine.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 Because you cut the line.

01:44:43.000 Like wild.

01:44:45.000 Yeah, like what happened to that?

01:44:46.000 It's out there, but then we're not getting you know, most people don't know about her, they don't see it.

01:44:50.000 You have to look for it or something like that in those lines.

01:44:56.000 They don't have principled stances on things.

01:44:59.000 They go with wherever their party's leaning and wherever the v majority of people believe is the direction to go.

01:45:07.000 And they might not even implement these things, but just to say it in order to get elected and get people to vote for them.

01:45:13.000 And that's what they did.

01:45:14.000 It's insane.

01:45:18.000 Yeah, all polling, I guess, right?

01:45:20.000 But it's it's the manipulation and it's also manipulation of the populace through through the all these uh all these different different platforms.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 And uh and what did you think also of the uh uh and I don't like to call them leaders, I like to call them elected representatives.

01:45:31.000 That's what they're supposed to be.

01:45:32.000 It's uh supposed to represent us, and they send they get there and they represent themselves.

01:45:37.000 But uh how is the uh how's the inauguration?

01:45:39.000 I didn't get to to ask you.

01:45:40.000 Being in the room with all the lizard people that run the world is so strange. 1.00

01:45:44.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 It's so weird.

01:45:45.000 Uh-huh.

01:45:46.000 It was like seeing like Hillary and seeing Obama and seeing Kamala Harris and Biden and and Bush and all those people there.

01:45:55.000 It's very weird.

01:45:56.000 It's it's really weird, man.

01:45:58.000 It's real weird.

01:45:59.000 It's real weird being in the Capitol, and they realize like how strange this whole process is. 0.99

01:46:04.000 I mean, there's this like public humiliation ritual where Trump goes on stage and talks shit and they're right behind him. 0.99

01:46:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:11.000 And they have to eat it.

01:46:12.000 And everybody cheers and and claps and is very bizarre.

01:46:16.000 Yeah, very surreal.

01:46:17.000 Very surreal.

01:46:18.000 Surreal also that I'm right there too, right?

01:46:21.000 On the stage, like, what's going on?

01:46:23.000 Five rows back from the president. 1.00

01:46:24.000 It's like the strangest fucking thing on earth. 0.99

01:46:26.000 And it's also strange just that this is this weird ritual that they do, this changing of the control. 0.99

01:46:34.000 And then, you know, the the beginning of the battle for the next four years where they everybody is like slinking away to try their strategy and figure out what to do next and who's our warrior, and now they're trying to figure it out.

01:46:47.000 Now they're talking about Pete Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris.

01:46:47.000 Yeah.

01:46:51.000 That's what they're gonna run.

01:46:52.000 Like Yeah.

01:46:56.000 You don't fight against that.

01:46:57.000 They apparently they did they don't have any faith in Gavin Newsom.

01:47:00.000 Which is kind of funny because he wants to be president so bad.

01:47:00.000 Oh.

01:47:04.000 That's what it that's sure what it looks like.

01:47:05.000 You can't ruin a city and then go on to ruin a state and say, guys, that was just practice.

01:47:11.000 I know.

01:47:11.000 Once I get it as a president, I'm gonna fix it.

01:47:14.000 Fix it all.

01:47:15.000 I mean, it's so crazy, but he's such a great politician.

01:47:16.000 I mean so smooth.

01:47:18.000 He's not thinking so. 0.87

01:47:19.000 No, I think he's terrible.

01:47:20.000 How does he remain in power for so long?

01:47:22.000 Low competition.

01:47:23.000 Uh no one who's good is competing against him.

01:47:26.000 There's no sensation.

01:47:26.000 I should say he's not a good one I should say he's smooth.

01:47:28.000 He comes in. 0.99

01:47:29.000 I mean he's a good bullshit artist. 1.00

01:47:31.000 Yeah, that's what I mean. 0.99

01:47:31.000 But it's like what the things that he says when he gets confronted with things, we're the high highest this and the highest that like everybody's leaving. 0.99

01:47:38.000 Yeah.

01:47:39.000 You have the highest unemployment.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, you have the highest homelessness.

01:47:43.000 Money's missing.

01:47:44.000 You killed Hollywood.

01:47:45.000 Like Hollywood doesn't exist anymore.

01:47:47.000 It's literally gone.

01:47:48.000 That was such a mandated vaccines for kids that didn't need them. 1.00

01:47:52.000 You guys he did horrible shit. 1.00

01:47:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:54.000 It's awful. 1.00

01:47:55.000 We uh I went to the one in 2017, so January 2017, so we decided not to go to this last one.

01:48:00.000 And uh because we felt like we experienced it last time and there was all the the lemos on fire and the all the chain link fences as we were getting you know going to all this stuff so we decided not to go to this one, but then uh then Tulsi called and asked if I'd go to her uh her swearing in, and so I was like, yeah, of course. 1.00

01:48:14.000 And uh so we went to that one, and that was really cool.

01:48:16.000 That was really cool to be in the room with her when she got sworn in.

01:48:19.000 That is cool.

01:48:21.000 Have you talked to her about her experience there?

01:48:23.000 Uh I haven't I don't want to bother her too much, but we just she just posted about the book actually.

01:48:26.000 I didn't expect her to do that, but she did that today, which is very very kind.

01:48:29.000 But the reality of the the work, the reality of being in the organization is very sobering, apparently.

01:48:36.000 I bet.

01:48:37.000 Oh my gosh, it's gotta be like nothing you whoever you think it is from the outside before you step in, it's gotta be a thousand times worse at least when you step into it.

01:48:43.000 It's bad and it's very compartmentalized.

01:48:45.000 There's a bunch of people that run various offices and they're all working against you and the bureaucracy is so huge.

01:48:51.000 And I hope she stays in it.

01:48:52.000 I mean, she's such a a great person.

01:48:54.000 I mean, I'd support her as we were friends, but uh but I mean it it's gotta be hard to stay in that fight when you see it.

01:49:00.000 She's got a lot of character, and that's that not that doesn't get rewarded there.

01:49:04.000 Yeah.

01:49:05.000 I mean, I'd I'd uh I mean I would support her if and there's a path for her, you know, and there's a there is definitely a path for her to uh to get into the the White House.

01:49:13.000 Um Yeah, it could be.

01:49:14.000 She could be our first female president, especially after you know, we've seen like what they tried to do to her. 1.00

01:49:20.000 Uh they put her on the quiet skies thing.

01:49:23.000 So they put her on a terrorist watch list. 0.99

01:49:26.000 She was a US Congresswoman for eight fucking years. 1.00

01:49:30.000 She served overseas in uh uh a medical unit, right? 0.99

01:49:35.000 So she was deployed twice in a medical unit in the middle of the fucking war, and you you're labeling her a terrorist. 0.99

01:49:43.000 Like whoever did that, like whoever signed off on that should be in fucking jail. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:47.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:49:48.000 I mean, that's such an abuse.

01:49:51.000 Yeah.

01:49:51.000 That's such an abuse of power.

01:49:53.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 And you you want to talk about like going after your political enemies in it in a in a sick third world country way. 1.00

01:50:00.000 That's a great example of that.

01:50:01.000 You put a s a congresswoman for eight years on the terrorist watch list. 0.95

01:50:05.000 For what?

01:50:06.000 For what reason?

01:50:06.000 Right.

01:50:07.000 None?

01:50:08.000 No reason?

01:50:09.000 There's not like some crazy tweets where she's m is made and there's nothing like she's so thoughtful.

01:50:15.000 It's not even like Marguerite Taylor Green, who gets hog wild sometimes. 1.00

01:50:18.000 She's not like Tulsi's not like that at all.

01:50:24.000 And you put her on a terrorist watch list.

01:50:27.000 Shame on you.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:50:28.000 Fucking shame on you. 1.00

01:50:30.000 Yeah, she's the director of national intelligence. 1.00

01:50:32.000 Crazy, right?

01:50:33.000 Boy, it's weird how that happens.

01:50:34.000 Yeah, that's fantastic.

01:50:35.000 But yeah, the next one, it's uh I mean I I I haven't I've read the book.

01:50:39.000 Um but uh it's uh Kamala's book where she says she didn't choose Pete Buddha Jesus because of his sexual orientation.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 I I'm not sure about this.

01:50:48.000 People can correct in the comments, please.

01:50:50.000 But I believe that's illegal.

01:50:52.000 Like if you didn't hire someone because they were at a certain sexual orientation, I believe that's illegal.

01:50:57.000 Well, you're allowed to choose who you think is gonna work the best, but not somebody.

01:51:01.000 And you'd say something else, like, oh, they're not qualified.

01:51:04.000 You cannot I mean, I believe well, someone can tell us if we're if I'm wrong, we could probably look it up, but I do not think you can uh do the uh discriminate against someone strictly because of that.

01:51:12.000 If they're not qualified, of course, you choose someone else, fine.

01:51:14.000 But she goes ahead and says that's the reason that she didn't hire this guy to be her VP.

01:51:18.000 Wow.

01:51:19.000 I believe that is illegal.

01:51:21.000 Wow.

01:51:22.000 I never even thought of that.

01:51:24.000 It's insane.

01:51:25.000 Well, she also has been saying something really crazy.

01:51:28.000 She's been saying that this is the closest race of the twenty-first century, and then it wasn't a mandate.

01:51:33.000 That's just not true.

01:51:34.000 It's not true.

01:51:35.000 B Gore and Bush was much closer.

01:51:37.000 Yes.

01:51:38.000 I think that was a half of a percent.

01:51:40.000 It's yes.

01:51:41.000 I don't know why she keeps saying this.

01:51:42.000 She's it's just a lie.

01:51:44.000 And then also she's she's leaving out the fact that she lost every swing state. 0.94

01:51:49.000 Every single one.

01:51:50.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.000 So like what are you talking about?

01:51:52.000 I know.

01:51:53.000 He won the popular vote and he won the electoral college vote.

01:51:58.000 And that's a mandate.

01:51:59.000 I think that it's not a mandate.

01:52:01.000 It's like but it's almost like if you say it to the c the converted that they're gonna listen and repeat it. 0.99

01:52:08.000 Yeah, he barely won.

01:52:09.000 Right.

01:52:10.000 Yeah.

01:52:10.000 Like, no, he won.

01:52:11.000 He won every swing state.

01:52:12.000 He won the popular vote.

01:52:14.000 That's called winning.

01:52:14.000 You win the house and you win the Senate.

01:52:17.000 That he won.

01:52:18.000 That means he won.

01:52:19.000 Charlie Sheen calls that winning.

01:52:20.000 This is crazy talk.

01:52:21.000 Yeah.

01:52:22.000 It's wild.

01:52:22.000 It is so she's probably hammered.

01:52:24.000 She's probably up there drinking wine. 1.00

01:52:26.000 Oh fucking kick his ass next time. 1.00

01:52:28.000 Fuck him. 1.00

01:52:28.000 It's so brutal. 1.00

01:52:29.000 And uh And I think she's took credit for the no tax on tips things in the book as well.

01:52:33.000 That's hilarious, because that was clearly his.

01:52:35.000 Clearly.

01:52:36.000 He said it first and they copied it.

01:52:38.000 It's amazing.

01:52:39.000 Did she really say that in the book?

01:52:40.000 I haven't read it, but I uh I I have heard from someone who did read it that she did.

01:52:44.000 So I you know, people didn't know.

01:52:46.000 She had an address not coming on here in the book too, which I thought was funny.

01:52:49.000 That was interesting.

01:52:49.000 Yeah.

01:52:51.000 Yeah, they're her team was not truthful about that encounter at all.

01:52:56.000 They never committed to doing the show ever.

01:52:58.000 They they said that, you know, I said that I had a personal day, which is not true.

01:53:03.000 I said I am not available the day that Trump was here.

01:53:05.000 I said that day's not I didn't say that I was have a personal day.

01:53:09.000 They just made that up.

01:53:10.000 That's crazy.

01:53:11.000 And then they also said that they sent someone here to go through the studio, like sent someone to do a walkthrough.

01:53:16.000 Not true.

01:53:17.000 Not true.

01:53:17.000 No.

01:53:19.000 That how could they I mean it's just you repeat it and you say it and your side believes it?

01:53:23.000 But why would they do that when I can just say that's not true?

01:53:25.000 It's bizarre.

01:53:26.000 But who's gonna who do they gonna believe?

01:53:28.000 They're gonna believe me or a person who literally says whatever the audience wants them to say.

01:53:33.000 Which is what they did.

01:53:34.000 Yeah.

01:53:35.000 Yeah.

01:53:35.000 I'm not why would I lie?

01:53:36.000 I have no reason to lie.

01:53:38.000 So is that it would have been interesting to do. 0.99

01:53:39.000 If I fucked her over, I would tell the truth. 1.00

01:53:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:41.000 If I was like, we lied, we told her I was taking a personal day, but realized I wanted to get Trump in. 1.00

01:53:46.000 Not true.

01:53:47.000 I tried to do both of them on the same day.

01:53:49.000 That was my idea.

01:53:51.000 My idea was to do Trump during the day and then her to come, she had a a thing she was doing in Houston after the thing with Houston. 0.98

01:53:58.000 I go, I'll fucking do it at midnight. 0.98

01:54:00.000 I don't care. 0.99

01:54:00.000 We'll do it whenever you want to do it. 0.99

01:54:01.000 Yeah while you're in Texas, but I I just can't do during the day because Trump's gonna be here.

01:54:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:06.000 But they had to have known.

01:54:07.000 I mean, the Secret Service was there was two hundred guys here. 0.99

01:54:10.000 They they had fucking In Texas. 1.00

01:54:13.000 No, in this fucking studio. 1.00

01:54:14.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:54:15.000 There's two hundred people here for Trump.

01:54:17.000 I mean, I'm not exaggerating.

01:54:18.000 It was packed.

01:54:19.000 Wow.

01:54:20.000 It was packed.

01:54:20.000 That's crazy.

01:54:21.000 Bro, they didn't fuck around. 1.00

01:54:23.000 They did not fuck around. 1.00

01:54:23.000 Okay. 1.00

01:54:25.000 They surrounded the building.

01:54:26.000 It was it was nuts.

01:54:28.000 Interesting.

01:54:28.000 Yeah.

01:54:29.000 They they made sure that everything was safe and secure.

01:54:32.000 Wow.

01:54:32.000 So like someone had to know something that he was here.

01:54:37.000 It's not a mystery.

01:54:38.000 But I said dogs through.

01:54:39.000 But I wasn't trying to be deceptive.

01:54:40.000 I said I'll do it later.

01:54:42.000 Right.

01:54:42.000 I just can't do it during this time.

01:54:44.000 That's the excuse they took it.

01:54:46.000 That's like, okay.

01:54:46.000 They took that excuse.

01:54:47.000 They never wanted to do the whole thing.

01:54:49.000 They wanted to meet do like a 45 minute thing in an un in a different place.

01:54:49.000 Never.

01:54:54.000 They didn't say scripted, but they they did say that there's some things that she didn't want to talk about.

01:54:59.000 Then they denied that.

01:55:00.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 That's what I meant by scripted, yeah.

01:55:02.000 I said I don't care.

01:55:03.000 I'll talk to you about cooking. 1.00

01:55:05.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:55:06.000 I just want to know who are you. 0.99

01:55:08.000 I'll figure you out.

01:55:09.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 I'll figure you out in a few hours.

01:55:11.000 Yeah, in three hours you can't fake your way through the conversation.

01:55:14.000 No, I'll find you.

01:55:15.000 I'll find you.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 I'll ask you controversial things.

01:55:18.000 Like is all I have to do is ask you why's the border open.

01:55:21.000 We could talk about that for three hours.

01:55:22.000 Oh my gosh.

01:55:23.000 What are you trying to do?

01:55:24.000 Like you could close that border.

01:55:26.000 Trump closed that border in a day.

01:55:28.000 In a day.

01:55:28.000 Amazing.

01:55:29.000 You could say, I hate what's going on with ice, and I don't like it either.

01:55:33.000 I don't like this thing of taking people...

01:55:36.000 And here's the thing.

01:55:36.000 Well, they should have done it the right way.

01:55:38.000 Yeah.

01:55:39.000 But if you're poor and you live in a third world country, that's not an available option. 0.99

01:55:39.000 Okay. 0.99

01:55:43.000 Okay.

01:55:44.000 What is an available option is this one administration over four years is encouraging people to go through.

01:55:49.000 Not only they encouraging you to go through, there's Red Cross stops along the way.

01:55:54.000 They give you maps.

01:55:55.000 They tell you how to do it.

01:55:56.000 People are being they're funding people getting in.

01:56:00.000 They're paying for air flights.

01:56:03.000 They're flying people in.

01:56:05.000 They're moving people into swing states.

01:56:08.000 They're getting them on Medicare.

01:56:10.000 They're getting them on Social Security.

01:56:12.000 There's we talked to about this one lady who did an interview, saying she was being told to try to get people on permanent disability.

01:56:20.000 So she was told to ask them, Do you have back problems?

01:56:23.000 And they're like, yes.

01:56:23.000 Okay, great.

01:56:24.000 Personal disability.

01:56:26.000 Now that she she said I was told to view them as a client now.

01:56:30.000 And so you're trying essentially to bribe people to now once you get them in to move to a swing state, then they count on the census.

01:56:37.000 Once they count on the census, it adds congressional seats.

01:56:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:41.000 So it's like you're you're rigging elections by bringing in immigrants. 1.00

01:56:46.000 And then you're giving them money.

01:56:47.000 And all these people that live in these poor communities, they're like, hey, where was all this money for us? 0.96

01:56:53.000 Where was all this money for the people in Chicago?

01:56:55.000 Where was all this money to the people in Baltimore?

01:56:57.000 No.

01:56:57.000 No, it's they're they're doing it because they're Trying to manipulate the election.

01:57:01.000 It didn't work.

01:57:02.000 You know, it didn't work.

01:57:03.000 Like I had an argument with someone about it, but yeah, it didn't work though.

01:57:06.000 I go, yeah, but they tried to do it.

01:57:09.000 It didn't work.

01:57:10.000 But they did move people to swing states.

01:57:12.000 They did leave the border open for four years.

01:57:15.000 They did let in millions of people.

01:57:18.000 They don't even know how many.

01:57:19.000 They don't know how many people got through.

01:57:21.000 That's crazy.

01:57:23.000 Once they got him here, they did give them EBT cards.

01:57:25.000 They did give them cell phones.

01:57:27.000 They did. 1.00

01:57:28.000 They moved him into the fucking hotel. 1.00

01:57:29.000 That Roosevelt Hotel in New York City, this luxury hotel, filled with migrants. 1.00

01:57:34.000 They paid for their food.

01:57:35.000 They did do this.

01:57:36.000 They encourage people.

01:57:37.000 They did have sanctuary cities where they weren't gonna arrest them.

01:57:40.000 They let them come in.

01:57:42.000 Still do Portland right now.

01:57:43.000 It's uh contentions.

01:57:45.000 It's crazy.

01:57:46.000 But what do you think you could have that conversation, let's say 15 years ago, um that kind of a conversation with Kamala if she was around back then, let's let's fat back up 15 years.

01:57:55.000 Or is talking to all these amazing people that you've talked to over the time of the the time this podcast has been in existence has given you this incredible foundation from which to be able to ask like such incredible questions of people and get this stuff out of them and and 15 years ago I would have never thought that it would have mattered at all if I had an opinion on anything. 0.88

01:58:14.000 It would be like most comics that are doing podcasts today where they're just shooting the shit to their friends and no one cares. 0.91

01:58:19.000 Right. 0.99

01:58:20.000 No one cares.

01:58:21.000 You know, I want to vote for this guy because I think we need to try libertarianism and this is why I think it's like oh who cares?

01:58:27.000 And then interesting conversation moves on. 0.99

01:58:31.000 Not that like so many people care what my fucking opinion is. 0.99

01:58:35.000 Like that to me is a sign of the times. 0.99

01:58:36.000 Like if you're coming to a cage fighting commentator and a dirty comedian, like this is this is the guy that you needed an opinion for.

01:58:43.000 That means the media's failed you.

01:58:46.000 Like what I am a I'm a symptom of a broken system.

01:58:50.000 Like if I'm a source of information, like we've got a like a bit of a supply chain problem.

01:58:54.000 That's how I don't know.

01:58:55.000 I think it's being a little humble on that as well, because where else could someone get this three hours uh where they can really listen to maybe two sides uh of uh right?

01:59:04.000 But my point is why didn't somebody else do that already?

01:59:06.000 Why didn't why didn't mainstream media figure that out? 0.98

01:59:09.000 Why did you need someone to figure it out in on a laptop in a fucking spare bedroom of their house? 0.97

01:59:16.000 Like how is that possible the number one media show in the world that's birthed out of a laptop in a spare bedroom? 0.99

01:59:22.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:59:23.000 Well, it means you fail.

01:59:24.000 No, no, no.

01:59:25.000 It means they failed.

01:59:26.000 Yeah.

01:59:26.000 Because there's a lot smarter people than me, a lot better people at dissecting what's actually going on in the world than me.

01:59:33.000 But for whatever reason, they can't do it.

01:59:36.000 So how come? 0.98

01:59:37.000 How you know, and like they've tried like there's a bunch of people from the New York Times that try the try, but they're all bullshitting.

01:59:43.000 They're never free to give their real opinion.

01:59:46.000 They're never free to say, you know what, actually this person that I disagree with fundamentally has a really good point about this.

01:59:53.000 Right.

01:59:53.000 You know, they have the instead of being ideologically captured, which is like most of them, most of them on the right and most of them on the left.

02:00:01.000 Instead of just being able to look at things and go, this is the actual reality that we're living in.

02:00:05.000 That's a failure.

02:00:06.000 That's a failure of media, it's a failure of journalism.

02:00:10.000 It's a failure.

02:00:11.000 Yeah.

02:00:11.000 And they say, Oh, you know, he's not a journalist.

02:00:14.000 You're right.

02:00:15.000 So how come people are listening?

02:00:17.000 Like, what is that about?

02:00:19.000 You tell me why no one else can have these kind of conversations with people and and and break it down this way.

02:00:26.000 Well, it's because you're limited by your whole your whole system. 0.91

02:00:29.000 If you're involved in mainstream media, you're limited by the format, the format sucks.

02:00:33.000 You have to break for commercials, you're sponsored by brought to you by Pfizer.

02:00:37.000 So you there's certain things you can't talk about, you've got handcuffs on.

02:00:41.000 And if you're on the internet and you're ideologically aligned with either the left or the right, well, now you're captured by this box of predetermined opinions that you're supposed to subscribe to.

02:00:53.000 Yep.

02:00:54.000 But you recognize an opportunity and prepared.

02:00:56.000 I didn't actually.

02:00:57.000 But I didn't.

02:00:57.000 Well, well, you didn't.

02:00:58.000 This is the thing.

02:00:59.000 I just kept doing this.

02:01:00.000 I'm telling you, man, this is not a plan.

02:01:02.000 I know.

02:01:02.000 I just kept doing that.

02:01:04.000 But yeah.

02:01:04.000 I just kept doing it, and then all of a sudden it became what it is.

02:01:07.000 But you're not sure if you're not just you could plug in a laptop and you could have a video, you could have a conversation.

02:01:11.000 But it was all just for fun.

02:01:14.000 See, that's why it worked.

02:01:15.000 It worked because there was no plan.

02:01:18.000 It was just like, let's do this and it'll be fun.

02:01:20.000 And then people tune in because it's fun.

02:01:22.000 And then I start getting like Graham Hancock on and Anthony Bourdain on.

02:01:25.000 I'm getting some guests, and it's kind of fun and it's kind of cool.

02:01:28.000 And then it becomes a cool thing that if you know, you know, like, oh, you listen to podcasts, check this one out.

02:01:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, Joe Rogan's got good guests, and ask good questions.

02:01:36.000 And then it became what it is now.

02:01:38.000 But it's it's all just because I enjoyed doing it.

02:01:41.000 It was never because I recognized, like, oh, there's an opening out there.

02:01:44.000 No, no, I didn't mean it like that.

02:01:44.000 I meant like it's very natural.

02:01:46.000 That's uh that's also a part of it.

02:01:48.000 Like it's not like you're like, what can I do?

02:01:49.000 Like, no, that's not that.

02:01:51.000 No, where some people do do that.

02:01:52.000 Like, hey, what can be my thing?

02:01:53.000 Oh, okay.

02:01:54.000 X, Y, and Z. Okay, I'll give speaking about events on this certain thing, and okay, that's my thing now.

02:01:59.000 Because I realize there's a gap.

02:02:00.000 Okay, I'm gonna do that.

02:02:01.000 That's different.

02:02:02.000 That's not moving the needle, probably for anybody in that audience, maybe for one person or something like that.

02:02:06.000 And uh, you're not looking at it like that.

02:02:07.000 You're doing it because it was this very natural thing for you to do, and it happened to grow into what it is today, which is amazing, which makes it even more powerful that it was natural, and then you weren't this artificial guy over here saying, What's the opportunity?

02:02:18.000 Oh, I can get make X dollars by speaking about this topic to this audience.

02:02:22.000 Okay, I'm gonna do that and be happy or whatever.

02:02:25.000 Instead, it was the opposite of that.

02:02:26.000 It's very natural.

02:02:27.000 And so it's a very different thing as far as opportunity goes.

02:02:31.000 Well, that's the weirdness about today, right?

02:02:34.000 Is because you could just start a YouTube channel.

02:02:36.000 Like anybody who's a doctor or a historian could just start a YouTube channel and just start talking.

02:02:41.000 Yeah.

02:02:42.000 Like just think about all the stuff that you learned about Vietnam from from writing this book.

02:02:46.000 You could just break down moments like Dan Carlin style about Vietnam and just sit there and and talk about it, and people be like, that's fascinating.

02:02:46.000 Yeah.

02:02:56.000 Jack Carr on Vietnam, you've seen this video, and then it'll get passed around.

02:02:59.000 Next thing you know, it's got a half a million views.

02:03:01.000 Next thing you know, it's got a million, and then everybody's sharing it in social media.

02:03:06.000 That's the most fascinating thing about today.

02:03:08.000 Like if you say something cool and it becomes a part of a clip and somebody likes it, it gets blasted all over the whole world.

02:03:16.000 It's on TikTok, it's on X, it's on Instagram, and then it's on YouTube and like a hundred different channels.

02:03:16.000 Right.

02:03:23.000 Yeah.

02:03:24.000 There's all these channels that pop up and they take advantage of the algorithms.

02:03:28.000 So they take these little clips.

02:03:29.000 I can't do that.

02:03:30.000 I can never do something for clicks or for anything like that.

02:03:32.000 I don't either.

02:03:33.000 No, other people will.

02:03:34.000 I know.

02:03:35.000 You don't have to do it.

02:03:36.000 That's what's interesting.

02:03:37.000 The vast majority of our clips online have nothing to do with us.

02:03:42.000 I didn't put them up there. 0.96

02:03:43.000 I don't know who the fucking person is that's editing them and clipping them together. 0.97

02:03:46.000 Some of those cuts even put their own watermark on it. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Like whoever you are, cut the shit. 1.00

02:03:52.000 That's not you know. 1.00

02:03:53.000 I go I added it to mind of a winner, like dot com. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Oh boy. 1.00

02:03:59.000 And they put their own little fucking website on it. 1.00

02:03:59.000 They do that stuff. 1.00

02:04:02.000 But it's just i it's a weird time.

02:04:04.000 It's a weird time for the distribution of information.

02:04:07.000 And mainstream media they drop the ball.

02:04:11.000 They they missed these openings.

02:04:13.000 They and they're not capable of being free.

02:04:16.000 Yep.

02:04:16.000 There's too many cooks in the like all the notes that you were getting on season one, right?

02:04:20.000 You don't get them anymore because it's successful. 0.99

02:04:22.000 Like, that's kind of every show on television has got to deal with all these goddamn cooks. 1.00

02:04:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:29.000 All these chefs.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:30.000 Oh, add a little of this and add a little of that.

02:04:33.000 You can't do it.

02:04:35.000 No, it's like we're talking about earlier.

02:04:36.000 Now people are trying to get that clip.

02:04:38.000 So their life and their their their their income is reliant on trying to get that clip.

02:04:42.000 But I think what they don't realize is that that's a blip.

02:04:44.000 You know, like that's a that's a one thing, and then it's back down, back down here.

02:04:47.000 It's not a boom, and then going from there.

02:04:49.000 You have to continually add value to people's lives, I think, long term if you're gonna build something of substance.

02:04:55.000 And that's what you you have done, obviously.

02:04:57.000 And uh it's incredible to watch and uh you know, via part of from the audience side and then to to you know do you mind all that stuff. 1.00

02:05:03.000 Fucking weird shit. 1.00

02:05:04.000 Uh weird. 1.00

02:05:05.000 But then we see that stuff like with Charlie Kirk, and people trying to take advantage of that to get a click.

02:05:09.000 And it's so it's brutal.

02:05:09.000 I know.

02:05:11.000 And I don't know what it is, what going forward.

02:05:13.000 Like when you think about communication in general, and a long time ago, the telephone used to connect us with our our grandparents, let's say, states away, used to connect us, and now the telephone it disconnects us from that person who's sitting right here next to us on the couch, our spouse or our kids or anything else.

02:05:28.000 So it used communication used to connect us now, a communication device, uh, which does obviously a lot more than that is a tracking device, surveillance device, all these other things.

02:05:36.000 Um, but it's uh it disconnects us from those that are we're in the same room with.

02:05:40.000 And that's a that's a different deal.

02:05:40.000 Yeah.

02:05:42.000 And that's why when I look at long term when we're talking about you always remain so hopeful about the future, and I love it, and I try to remain hopeful as well.

02:05:48.000 But when you think about it in those types of terms, like this thing's not going away, and what's next?

02:05:53.000 Metaglasses.

02:05:53.000 Okay, we got the metaglasses.

02:05:54.000 They gave me some at UFC actually.

02:05:56.000 Did they?

02:05:56.000 Me too.

02:05:56.000 Have you fucked with them yet?

02:05:57.000 No, because I left them under my seat, and as soon as they gave them to me, I knew I was gonna leave them under that seat. 0.99

02:06:02.000 They handed it to me when I came in, and I'm like, I'm a hundred percent leaving this behind.

02:06:05.000 Put it under the seat.

02:06:06.000 I told the monica, I'm like, Monica, remind me to bring these things with me.

02:06:09.000 And then we just had such a great time.

02:06:10.000 We totally forgot.

02:06:11.000 The Chicago one.

02:06:12.000 They gave them to me as I was leaving.

02:06:12.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:06:14.000 So that would have made more sense.

02:06:16.000 I'm like, thank you very much.

02:06:17.000 And I have them.

02:06:18.000 Have you done it?

02:06:18.000 Have you put them on?

02:06:19.000 I put them on when they were here.

02:06:20.000 I haven't done the new ones.

02:06:22.000 Um, but I I've I've done several versions.

02:06:24.000 I've tried them.

02:06:25.000 Okay. 0.98

02:06:25.000 They're pretty fucking incredible. 0.98

02:06:27.000 It's pretty incre I'm not wearing them. 0.99

02:06:29.000 Yeah.

02:06:30.000 But we've had to stop people from wearing them at the comedy club.

02:06:32.000 They try to film things with meta glasses on.

02:06:36.000 All glasses have to go in the pouch, just like the phones last night.

02:06:36.000 Interesting.

02:06:39.000 Everybody who works there knows what a meta glass is.

02:06:41.000 Right.

02:06:42.000 But now they do.

02:06:42.000 But then what happens five years from now when you can put them in anything.

02:06:45.000 Well, it's going to be contact lenses.

02:06:47.000 And then it's going to be over.

02:06:47.000 Oh.

02:06:49.000 And then it's going to be in the brain, some sort of implant.

02:06:51.000 Yeah, there'll be a there'll be some sort of a hard drive that you go by.

02:06:54.000 Yeah.

02:06:55.000 Not for me.

02:06:55.000 Nope.

02:06:56.000 Yeah.

02:06:57.000 No, not for me either, but we're the last.

02:06:59.000 We're the last of the regular people.

02:07:00.000 Because it's going to be normal now.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, it's going to be a cyborg nation.

02:07:05.000 Ah.

02:07:05.000 Yeah.

02:07:06.000 I I like how you're hopeful.

02:07:07.000 You're hopeful earlier.

02:07:09.000 No, I am still hopeful.

02:07:11.000 I mean, I hope it works out well.

02:07:13.000 But it's change is inevitable, and our change is technologically driven, and it's an integration.

02:07:19.000 The the the integration between this incredible technology that's available now to everybody through these AI platforms and then your phone.

02:07:19.000 Yeah.

02:07:27.000 And then your biology.

02:07:28.000 Like we this many people are wearing them Apple watches and they're getting text messages and emails and making phone calls on their watch.

02:07:35.000 I know.

02:07:36.000 I I judge someone immediately when I see an Apple Watch.

02:07:36.000 It's awful.

02:07:38.000 Unless it's for health reasons.

02:07:40.000 But I see someone with an Apple Watch, I immediately judge.

02:07:42.000 But that's the same thing.

02:07:42.000 Using the watch to tell a story about the person or gear, whatever it might be, 1911, 45, the new staccato that tells me something about the person, you know, what that kind of hat they wear, belt they wear, leather setup, Kydex setup, like all those things.

02:07:54.000 Solomon shoes versus, you know, whatever, Oakley's versus gators, like all those things tell me something about a person.

02:07:59.000 But I immediately judge.

02:08:00.000 Uh make judgments based on very little very little information, and that that watch tells me something.

02:08:04.000 And then they get into the Tesla and I'm like, oh, okay.

02:08:07.000 Apple watch Tesla, you know.

02:08:08.000 And uh some of those things that seem like they just have no soul.

02:08:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:08:11.000 It's just like a the Apple Watch thing is weird because it's like do you really need it all on your wrist?

02:08:18.000 Buzzing all the time.

02:08:19.000 And it you have to charge it every day.

02:08:21.000 And then like I have a garment.

02:08:23.000 Uh and it's uh digital watch. 0.99

02:08:24.000 It's got maps on it, stuff like that, but I use it when I go hunting, and I can put that fucker on full charge. 0.94

02:08:31.000 It'll go like a month and a half. 0.95

02:08:32.000 And it'll charge partially because of solar.

02:08:35.000 I can do less than that.

02:08:36.000 I can't I gotta nothing else to charge.

02:08:37.000 I did they give me something else to charge?

02:08:39.000 I can't.

02:08:39.000 But the thing about those garments, what I like about them is like you could sync it up to your range finder.

02:08:44.000 There's a bunch of different things you do.

02:08:46.000 You could have maps on it.

02:08:47.000 Yeah and if you had to get out of somewhere and you're fucked and you're in the woods, you could pull up the GPS on your watch and you could figure out where the trailhead is.

02:08:56.000 And you can get out. 0.86

02:08:57.000 You could figure out where the road systems are, and you can get out.

02:09:00.000 You can just say, okay, I just have to go due north for six miles, and I'm gonna hit a road.

02:09:05.000 Like that's take that could save your life. 0.73

02:09:08.000 Like if you're in the middle of the woods, you don't know what the fuck is going on, and something happens, and you're like, okay, we have to get out of here. 0.94

02:09:13.000 We can't go back the way we came. 0.81

02:09:15.000 How do I how do I get to some form of civilization?

02:09:20.000 I'm a mapping compass guy.

02:09:21.000 That's great.

02:09:22.000 Map compass, the yeah, the Waltham Compass.

02:09:24.000 I put that in the it's in the book right here.

02:09:26.000 The Vietnam guys had them on their on their Sablex. 0.98

02:09:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:09:28.000 Those are awesome.

02:09:29.000 So I had one of those near me as I was writing the book as well.

02:09:31.000 And uh we put one into the show, Dark Wolf, the guys are on the fire in the first episode, Jared's there as boozer, and Pratt's there, and Taylor's there, and uh Tom Hopper's there on this fire, and that scene I think is one of the best ones, and uh uh Tom gets a gift from from Reese from from Chris Pratt and he opens it and it's that uh that wrist compass from Vietnam.

02:09:48.000 That's really cool.

02:09:48.000 And that was that scene was really cool to see.

02:09:50.000 See Jared in particular, um, buddy from the SEAL teams who gives Chris the book.

02:09:54.000 Now he's an actor, he's a executive producer, yeah, writer, right wrote an episode and technical advising four things on that show.

02:10:00.000 That's awesome.

02:10:04.000 I hope nobody's poaches him away from us.

02:10:05.000 He's so good in it at all of those things.

02:10:07.000 So gotta keep close hold with uh uh on Jared.

02:10:10.000 He's so fantastic in it.

02:10:11.000 But uh but that scene in particular, I think a lot of people who are in Iraq and Afghanistan that spent time around the fire or any any warriors who spent time around a fire or hunters that spent time around a fire will uh identify with that scene, the sharing of stories uh between hunters and warriors, and that was it.

02:10:25.000 That was a powerful scene to fill them.

02:10:27.000 And we did that early on.

02:10:28.000 That was the first like week of filming.

02:10:29.000 It's pretty cool.

02:10:30.000 That's awesome.

02:10:31.000 Most people don't know how to use a compass at all.

02:10:34.000 See me, I'd I'd I I'd do well with the compass and the map, but not so good with the garment.

02:10:38.000 I'd be like, Where's my have you ever figured out a way to use your watch as a compass?

02:10:41.000 I know there's a uh a thing that we can do, but I don't know how to do it.

02:10:47.000 So it looks like a diver dial, but it's north south east west.

02:10:50.000 I think you have to wait on the the shadow or something.

02:10:52.000 You can do that with a stick in the ground also the whole whole thing.

02:10:54.000 Right.

02:10:55.000 There's like a whole process to figuring out where east north west east and then somehow or another you use your watch.

02:11:03.000 No, there is something like that.

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 But uh yeah, map compass, the uh the sun across the sky, where it is, time of day.

02:11:10.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 Well hopefully, rises in the east, that's in the west.

02:11:12.000 But when you're basics.

02:11:14.000 When you're looking at your watch, there's some sort of way to figure out where everything is.

02:11:18.000 I don't get it.

02:11:19.000 Yeah.

02:11:20.000 I think there was on uh uh what is it, the wild, what was the bear grill show?

02:11:23.000 I think you talked about it in one of those whole shows.

02:11:25.000 Yeah, I went I watched a whole YouTube video on it.

02:11:27.000 I don't get it.

02:11:28.000 I still don't get it.

02:11:29.000 Oh man.

02:11:29.000 But there's um you know, everybody has a compass on their phone now, too.

02:11:32.000 Uh I know it.

02:11:33.000 And then that thing dies.

02:11:34.000 I don't know.

02:11:34.000 That's probably plug anything in.

02:11:36.000 But uh did you get a hunting this year?

02:11:37.000 What time?

02:11:38.000 Did you get hunting this year?

02:11:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:40.000 Utah.

02:11:41.000 I think I remember when you were there and we I was I was in Morocco, I think.

02:11:41.000 Yeah.

02:11:41.000 Nice.

02:11:44.000 The last couple months I've just been totally on the road.

02:11:46.000 Um, I was there the week of the fifteenth.

02:11:49.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:49.000 Right after okay.

02:11:50.000 It was great.

02:11:51.000 We caught it right in the rut.

02:11:52.000 Nice.

02:11:52.000 I was in Morocco.

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 But you uh was it was good time.

02:11:55.000 Yeah, we had a good time.

02:11:56.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

02:11:57.000 It was beautiful.

02:11:58.000 I've been out in a while.

02:11:59.000 Then been to Lanai, done that just because it's an easy, you know, flight out there.

02:12:04.000 Did you bow hunting that stuff?

02:12:05.000 Uh no, some right.

02:12:06.000 I went with the kids.

02:12:07.000 So for me when I go out now, it's all about the the kids and getting them out there on the rifle.

02:12:11.000 Rifle hunting in Lanai is infinitely more effective.

02:12:15.000 Yes.

02:12:17.000 Bow hunting in Lanai is really hard.

02:12:19.000 And it seems crazy because there's so many animals.

02:12:22.000 But the success rate is really low.

02:12:24.000 Yeah.

02:12:25.000 Yeah.

02:12:25.000 Especially th those winds and swirling and everything like that.

02:12:27.000 But uh but if you're on the timeline and you need to get back to Nobu uh in time for dinner, then uh I'm you use that rifle.

02:12:33.000 You know, yeah.

02:12:35.000 Also it's the best way to get the meat.

02:12:37.000 And there that's the best meat.

02:12:38.000 Like it right up there with elk almost.

02:12:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:12:41.000 It's just like slightly less desirable to me than elk.

02:12:44.000 Is it axis deer.

02:12:46.000 Axis deer's really good.

02:12:47.000 So good.

02:12:48.000 Delicious.

02:12:49.000 And that's one of the cool things about um if you stay on the Nye, which is uh there's two four seasons there, and the four seasons that's on the water is incredible.

02:12:56.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 But they have these um these axis burger sliders.

02:13:00.000 Oh yeah.

02:13:01.000 Oh axis deer sliders are so good.

02:13:04.000 Oh, and the capace, if you have the carpaccio there.

02:13:06.000 It's friggin' great.

02:13:07.000 Yeah, it's great, but it's uh what a weird place where you can hunt deer during the day and then stay at the four seasons.

02:13:12.000 Not bad.

02:13:13.000 The other one's a sensei spa now up top, so they switched it up, and so it's this crazy high-end spa in the old four seasons.

02:13:19.000 The one that looked used to look like a hunting lodge type of a thing.

02:13:21.000 Right.

02:13:22.000 Uh so that's a Sunsay spa now.

02:13:23.000 But uh yeah, it's a good time.

02:13:24.000 So that's the only hunting I've been doing the last few years.

02:13:26.000 Well, you are part of the Pineapple Brothers, right?

02:13:28.000 Like you're one of the organization that runs the Johnny outfitting out there.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 Alec out there who's they have a lot of people come out there every year.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, it's pretty pretty booked.

02:13:37.000 Yeah, pretty booked all year.

02:13:38.000 It's very unique in that respect.

02:13:38.000 Because the family gets to go.

02:13:40.000 Sure.

02:13:42.000 It's also like such a there's first of all, you have to hunt them. 0.99

02:13:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:47.000 There's 30,000 deer on an island with 3,000 people.

02:13:50.000 Yeah.

02:13:51.000 That is so crazy.

02:13:52.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 And if you see them at night in particular, can you like shine a headlight out to the field, you're like, there's no way this is sustainable.

02:13:59.000 And it's not.

02:13:59.000 So they they literally have to hunt them.

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:01.000 And hunting is such a big part of the Hawaiian culture too.

02:14:03.000 People don't realize that.

02:14:04.000 They think of the beaches and everything else, don't realize how how big a part of the culture that really is.

02:14:08.000 That's where the luau's all about, right?

02:14:08.000 Yeah.

02:14:11.000 It's wild pig hunting.

02:14:12.000 They're using they're not using farm raised pigs.

02:14:12.000 That's it.

02:14:14.000 Yeah.

02:14:15.000 Maybe now they might be in some places.

02:14:16.000 I don't know.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, I'm sure some resorts are using that.

02:14:19.000 But for the traditional way, it was like you're hunting pigs.

02:14:22.000 Yeah.

02:14:22.000 And those pigs were brought over by sailors.

02:14:25.000 That's how they got on that island the first place. 0.97

02:14:27.000 Well the axis came over from India, so it's all coming over from some place.

02:14:30.000 But it's nice there's no snakes too.

02:14:31.000 That's true.

02:14:32.000 That is nice.

02:14:33.000 And there's nothing that's an animal that can kill you on land.

02:14:37.000 That's that's pretty good.

02:14:38.000 Different than Australia. 0.56

02:14:40.000 But in the water.

02:14:40.000 Yeah.

02:14:41.000 You want to hence why you don't surf.

02:14:41.000 Oh yeah.

02:14:43.000 It gets a little squirrely.

02:14:44.000 It's a little squirrely out there with the tiger sharks.

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 Yeah, a hundred percent chance of not getting eaten by a shark if you don't go in the water. 1.00

02:14:51.000 Yeah, fuck all that, dude. 1.00

02:14:52.000 Same thing with skydiving. 1.00

02:14:53.000 Like I'm done with the skydiving.

02:14:54.000 No more.

02:14:55.000 No more of that.

02:14:56.000 Yeah.

02:14:56.000 Please.

02:14:56.000 That seems unnecessary at the time.

02:14:58.000 Tom Cruise.

02:14:58.000 Stop Tom Cruise.

02:14:58.000 Exactly.

02:15:01.000 We can do it on the green screen now.

02:15:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:03.000 Come on.

02:15:03.000 Enough, buddy.

02:15:05.000 Enough.

02:15:05.000 Yeah.

02:15:06.000 So no, yeah, no more of that sort of sort of thing.

02:15:08.000 Uh as fun as it as fun as it was.

02:15:09.000 The flying around was always fun.

02:15:11.000 But the jumping, eh.

02:15:12.000 The flying around, great.

02:15:13.000 And then when you have to go to pull through that sequence, it's like that's when that's the moment of truth.

02:15:18.000 And if you know this doesn't work, then there are procedures you need to go through in order to get this secondary shoot going.

02:15:24.000 Nightmare.

02:15:24.000 Yeah, no, no.

02:15:25.000 Not good.

02:15:26.000 No, no, I'm good.

02:15:27.000 But uh I'll go in the water, though.

02:15:28.000 I'll still go in the water with the sharks, but not uh much about the planes.

02:15:31.000 But uh yeah.

02:15:32.000 We're down in Nicaragua last uh what a few months ago.

02:15:34.000 No, the kids were surfing and all that stuff, but I'm thinking about sharks the whole time.

02:15:38.000 You know Adam Green Tree?

02:15:39.000 Uh yeah, I don't know personally about any of these.

02:15:41.000 Adam um told me that um I'm sorry if I told this story yesterday, folks, but Adam uh spearfishes.

02:15:48.000 He said that the sharks have learned the sound of the spear gun going off. 0.98

02:15:51.000 And so somebody gave him flippers that had scales on them because they thought it was cool to give them flippers, and these bull sharks showed up after he shot a fish and they bit his fucking flippers off. 0.99

02:16:02.000 Stop. 0.99

02:16:03.000 Yes.

02:16:05.000 Well, don't use those anymore. 1.00

02:16:06.000 Yeah, fuck all that. 0.99

02:16:07.000 I'm like, why did you he goes? 1.00

02:16:09.000 I was thinking about it, Mike.

02:16:10.000 This isn't good.

02:16:11.000 I'm like, yeah, it's not good.

02:16:12.000 It's not good.

02:16:13.000 He goes, then they bit him off me feet.

02:16:14.000 Yeah.

02:16:15.000 Like, oh my god.

02:16:16.000 Oh have you seen the lady that swims with the sharks? 1.00

02:16:18.000 Have those popped up on your YouTube channel?

02:16:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:20.000 Yeah.

02:16:20.000 I mean, it's like the I mean, I hate to say it, but like the grizzly guy, what happened to the grizzly guy.

02:16:25.000 Well, I think she knows what she's doing, and I think it's a little different because sharks don't target people.

02:16:30.000 Most of the times when they're killing people, it's an accident because they think the people's a seal.

02:16:35.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:16:36.000 Maybe right?

02:16:37.000 I don't know.

02:16:38.000 Exactly.

02:16:39.000 Exactly.

02:16:40.000 I mean, there's what the Sea World one remember the Sea World That's different thing, like took that lady down. 1.00

02:16:44.000 Yeah, but that's different.

02:16:45.000 They don't ever do that in the wild.

02:16:46.000 Orcas in the wild don't kill people. 1.00

02:16:48.000 They only kill people when people fuck with them. 1.00

02:16:51.000 That's all it is. 1.00

02:16:52.000 One of the one of the things that's been happening lately is they've been sinking boats.

02:16:55.000 I saw those videos.

02:16:56.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:16:56.000 Yeah, they decide fuck you and you start sinking boats. 1.00

02:16:59.000 And that's something that we haven't seen before, right? 1.00

02:16:59.000 That's amazing. 1.00

02:17:01.000 No, it's very new.

02:17:02.000 Crazy.

02:17:02.000 It's like within this decade.

02:17:04.000 Yeah.

02:17:04.000 It's a very recent thing, and it's one particular part of the world where it seems to be occurring over and over again.

02:17:10.000 And I don't know what happened. 0.98

02:17:11.000 Like maybe somebody fucked with a killer whale. 0.99

02:17:14.000 Like maybe somebody did something terrible. 1.00

02:17:16.000 Maybe.

02:17:16.000 And then that that sonar, whatever they talk, goes out and they're like where they're attacking killer whales.

02:17:20.000 Because like you're talking about evil and wealthy people, and we're getting into that thing.

02:17:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:25.000 Like, and they're attacking yachts.

02:17:27.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

02:17:28.000 Like how many how many cunts are on a yacht that are like, let's shoot the killer whale. 1.00

02:17:34.000 And they're firing rifles at killer whales. 1.00

02:17:37.000 And they're like, oh yeah?

02:17:37.000 Maybe.

02:17:38.000 Yeah.

02:17:38.000 How about some of this action?

02:17:41.000 Boat roaming orcas.

02:17:42.000 Oh, there's a new theory about why orcas are targeting sailboats in the Iberian Peninsula.

02:17:47.000 They're using them to practice hunting their favorite food.

02:17:49.000 I don't like your theory. 1.00

02:17:51.000 I think your theory sucks. 1.00

02:17:53.000 I bet somebody was an asshole. 1.00

02:17:54.000 I bet someone killed one of those orcas. 1.00

02:17:58.000 Would you go down with the uh within the shark cage off of like uh no fucking way? 0.99

02:18:04.000 No, I didn't know the guy's thing with my family once a long time ago. 0.95

02:18:08.000 We did uh we uh not scuba die, but snorkeled.

02:18:12.000 Yeah.

02:18:12.000 We snorkeled with dolphins.

02:18:13.000 Okay.

02:18:14.000 That was pretty badass.

02:18:15.000 So you find a pot of dolphins and then you jump overboard.

02:18:18.000 And you can get, you know, within like 50, 60 yards of them and they're swimming around.

02:18:18.000 Nice.

02:18:22.000 It's kind of cool. 0.99

02:18:23.000 You see them swimming underwater and shit. 0.96

02:18:25.000 It's pretty badass. 0.97

02:18:26.000 That was cool.

02:18:26.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 But they they don't they're not interested in you.

02:18:28.000 They're like, get out of here.

02:18:29.000 Yeah.

02:18:30.000 But if you're on a boat, they are interested in you.

02:18:32.000 It's interesting.

02:18:33.000 Like when maybe it was just the the circumstance that we had, maybe sometimes they come and play with you.

02:18:38.000 But I've been on boats before where they come right up next to the boat and they jump and they're they're putting on a show for you.

02:18:44.000 Yeah.

02:18:44.000 Like as the boat is moving its way through the water, they're they're flipping and they're looking at you.

02:18:48.000 They're like looking at you and they come out of the water.

02:18:50.000 Yeah.

02:18:51.000 And it's really clear that they're kind of playful.

02:18:53.000 Right.

02:18:53.000 And they're interacting with people.

02:18:54.000 Right.

02:18:55.000 Different than the sharks that come into the shark cage and just crunch it.

02:18:58.000 You see the one with the guy I got I would have done that a long time ago.

02:19:00.000 I don't know if I'd do it now.

02:19:01.000 Or the one guy with the shark.

02:19:02.000 When it comes in, yeah.

02:19:03.000 I mean, come on.

02:19:04.000 This is an updated article from last month about the same group of Jaws came out again.

02:19:10.000 It was like a 50th anniversary or something.

02:19:11.000 So I saw it in the theater with my son, and uh it was pretty cool to see in the theater.

02:19:16.000 Okay, here it is.

02:19:17.000 The while some initial reports suggested that the Iberian orcas could be carrying out revenge against the ships.

02:19:23.000 This has been dismissed by many orca experts.

02:19:26.000 Why?

02:19:27.000 Um the encounters often involve young orcas going Straight for the rudders.

02:19:31.000 Uh scientists have suggested the orcas are likely just bored teenagers with more free time since Atlantic bluefin tuna populations, their favorite prey pre prey in the region recovered, meaning they need to spend less time hunting.

02:19:44.000 What is it?

02:19:45.000 Say click on dismissed by many orca experts.

02:19:47.000 Click on that link.

02:19:48.000 I want to find out why they think it's dismissed.

02:19:51.000 Like what's their rationalization?

02:19:53.000 Open letter to regarding Iberian orcas and their interactions with boats.

02:19:53.000 Oh wow.

02:19:59.000 Undersigned our experts in biology and behavior of cetaceans with several uh specializing in orcas, also known as kill killer whales.

02:20:08.000 There's been intense public interest in interactions between orcas as the uh Iberian orcas and marine vessels along the coast of the Iberian Peninsula and in neighboring waters.

02:20:19.000 We are concerned that factual errors regarding these interactions are being repeated in the media along with a narrative lacking a basis in science or reality that the animals are aggressively attacking vessels or seeking revenge against mariners.

02:20:32.000 Well, first of all, stop right there.

02:20:34.000 They are aggressively attacking vessels.

02:20:36.000 I watched it.

02:20:36.000 Yeah.

02:20:37.000 There's a video you can watch it.

02:20:38.000 These people are on the boat and it starts slamming in the boat and it sticks the boat.

02:20:42.000 Like what is that's people are freaking out on that boat too.

02:20:44.000 Of course you would.

02:20:45.000 I think it's probably people who are oh the whales have shown a wide range of behaviors during the interactions, many of them consistent with playful social behavior.

02:20:52.000 Yeah, because they're having a good time sinking these boats.

02:20:55.000 Like I don't know. 1.00

02:20:57.000 People and their fucking narratives. 1.00

02:20:58.000 All I'm saying is the grizzly guy gets eaten by the grizzly. 1.00

02:21:01.000 The rattlesnake guy gets bit by the rattlesnake.

02:21:03.000 The shark person, I mean, I just...

02:21:04.000 I worry.

02:21:05.000 It could certainly happen.

02:21:07.000 It certainly could happen.

02:21:07.000 Right.

02:21:08.000 Yeah, the grizzly guy, though.

02:21:10.000 I think that was suicide by bear.

02:21:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:12.000 Did you watch that documentary?

02:21:13.000 No, I just I've heard about it so many times.

02:21:15.000 I feel like I've seen it.

02:21:16.000 It's a fun documentary.

02:21:17.000 Yeah.

02:21:17.000 It's Werner Herzog, right?

02:21:19.000 He's brilliant and he he turns it into a comedy.

02:21:21.000 It is kind of a comedy. 1.00

02:21:22.000 It's like an unintentional comedy about a guy who's really fucking stupid and hangs out with bears way too long. 1.00

02:21:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:30.000 Man.

02:21:31.000 I went up there in Alaska going up the rivers bear hunting.

02:21:34.000 And uh I mean you're walking right by him.

02:21:36.000 It is insane.

02:21:37.000 Just looking for the right one.

02:21:38.000 And uh someone it's crazy how close you you get and how comfortable the guides are working their way up these river systems off of boat.

02:21:45.000 Stay on a boat, you go in and then you work your way up to the day and come back.

02:21:48.000 And um But it was it was wild to be so close.

02:21:51.000 I'm like I'm very nervous because you always hear about don't get between the mom and the cubs type thing.

02:21:54.000 And you're walking right by 'em.

02:21:55.000 You're like, okay.

02:21:57.000 You know, here we go.

02:21:58.000 And they're so big.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, the 375 for uh for that one.

02:22:03.000 It's iron sight 375.

02:22:04.000 Iron sights?

02:22:05.000 How come?

02:22:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:06.000 Uh just because it's gonna be close.

02:22:07.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:22:09.000 Yeah, fog. 1.00

02:22:10.000 Fuck yeah, fog. 1.00

02:22:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:22:12.000 I don't want to worry about like the the uh condensation on the on the you're right down there.

02:22:17.000 How close was the shot?

02:22:18.000 It's very good.

02:22:19.000 I didn't take it I didn't take one, but we had one.

02:22:20.000 Yeah, very wet.

02:22:21.000 Yeah, everything's just soaking wet.

02:22:22.000 And it's just fog, mist, the whole the whole thing.

02:22:25.000 So uh the only one we had, we had a charge.

02:22:27.000 And uh I think I told you that I can't remember.

02:22:29.000 Had a charge, and the thing guy came in, he was a little young.

02:22:31.000 She was like it that my guide said it was a female guy, she's amazing. 1.00

02:22:34.000 She said he's legal.

02:22:35.000 I'm like, yeah, that's not what you want to hear.

02:22:37.000 You know, you want something that's really old.

02:22:38.000 And uh you want to be contributing to this you know conservation.

02:22:41.000 He's young, you know, I don't I didn't want to be able to do that.

02:22:42.000 Yeah, illegal's not a word you want to hear when you're hunting.

02:22:45.000 And that but it was curious also, so it was young, so it's curious.

02:22:45.000 No, no.

02:22:48.000 So it kept coming in, kept coming in, and she's yelling at it, and I'm just right there, just on the trigger, like ready to go, and it's coming it, coming in, and then it gets close and it stops and it starts doing that, like going back and forth type thing.

02:22:59.000 And it's pretty close.

02:23:00.000 I had most of it on video, and then I didn't want to be the guy that has the phone out and gets eaten, and uh and so I like so I put it down so you can so he gets close and then he I put it down so you can still hear it because it's still running, so I still have the the video you can hear.

02:23:14.000 And uh he's he goes like this and he starts to charge and he veers the other way, though.

02:23:18.000 He veers off so she goes, she goes, she's yelling at him and she says, shoot, and I start to press the trigger, and she goes, No, no, no, no, like in the same sentence, like there's no 'cause he veered off.

02:23:28.000 He looked like he was gonna come.

02:23:30.000 I was like, oh that's all right.

02:23:30.000 And it was so close.

02:23:32.000 Yeah.

02:23:33.000 So uh then we made our way back out and didn't get one on that trip.

02:23:37.000 But it was beautiful up there.

02:23:38.000 I love it up there.

02:23:38.000 It was beautiful.

02:23:39.000 It's the last frontier for real.

02:23:41.000 I'd go up there.

02:23:41.000 I'd go for it.

02:23:42.000 I'd go live up there.

02:23:43.000 Would you?

02:23:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:44.000 My wife wouldn't, so I think we'll stay in Park City.

02:23:46.000 Um but I'd go up there for sure.

02:23:49.000 It's a crazy place.

02:23:50.000 It's Park City on steroids.

02:23:51.000 It's uh well without I mean not Park City, but it's not like the Utah Mountains.

02:23:55.000 Yeah.

02:23:55.000 It's uh I mean it is so vast.

02:23:58.000 I love it.

02:23:59.000 I love it.

02:23:59.000 When you're up there, you the feeling of insignificance when you realize like, oh, that's just us.

02:24:06.000 There's no people anywhere near us.

02:24:07.000 Yeah.

02:24:08.000 For a long time, for like a few hours in a plane.

02:24:11.000 Yep.

02:24:12.000 That's what we did when the Wrangle Mountains my last trip.

02:24:14.000 I think it was my last trip up there.

02:24:15.000 And uh see wolves?

02:24:17.000 Yeah.

02:24:17.000 Got a wolf, got a bear, got a moose all in one trip.

02:24:20.000 It was crazy.

02:24:21.000 Wow.

02:24:22.000 Yeah, big ones of everything too.

02:24:23.000 It was crazy. 0.91

02:24:24.000 Moose is awesome because you could eat that sucker for a whole year. 0.93

02:24:27.000 Yep, got it on it.

02:24:28.000 We gave but much of it to the guides and their families and all that stuff because there's so much to, you know, to take back.

02:24:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:33.000 But uh yeah, that was John Dubin and uh and uh Frank LaCrone, who were also in Pineapple Brothers, but we went up there just to this to us and a guide, two guides that know what they're doing up there.

02:24:41.000 And uh did you guys fly in like a push plane?

02:24:44.000 Push plane and into camp one night and then get on the horses and then going up into the mountains with the horses and then make camp there, and then push out from that every day.

02:24:52.000 Wow.

02:24:52.000 It was fantastic.

02:24:53.000 Yeah, it was beautiful.

02:24:54.000 That was beautiful.

02:24:55.000 That was 2022, I think.

02:24:56.000 Oh sure, I mean everything's so vast, and I love Alaska.

02:24:58.000 I was trying my plan was to go to Alaska and Africa, like back to work every other year, and then uh that didn't happen.

02:25:04.000 Well, it's the only place in this country at this point where you can hunt grizzlies, and they really need to do something about that in some of these other states where they're talking about opening it up because like they they are not scared of people anymore, and the interactions are getting more and more frequent, and they're not doing anything to curb the populations.

02:25:22.000 And that's the thing we're talking about with Lanai, and people that are not involved in hunting and don't understand the conservation aspect of it.

02:25:29.000 You you you can't just have an unchecked population of animals, including predators.

02:25:35.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:25:35.000 You know, and they you know, all these fucking people are voting with their heart instead of like letting wildlife biologists say, no, no, this is actually bad for the animals for the overall population of them. 0.97

02:25:49.000 And it's also gonna be bad for people and animals and people collide with a lot of mountain lines in California. 0.98

02:25:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:25:56.000 Of course.

02:25:59.000 Utah's changed their laws.

02:26:00.000 Utah is it like they're like coyotes now.

02:26:02.000 Oh, is that right?

02:26:03.000 I didn't even know that.

02:26:04.000 Yeah, well, there's too many interactions.

02:26:06.000 Yeah, I got a big one a couple years ago.

02:26:07.000 One came on our neighbor's game cam, huge one came through, which is good because well fed.

02:26:13.000 And uh it's the one that they get skinny and you know, getting a little dicey.

02:26:16.000 Huge one came through right around Thanksgiving when all the families in town and we're up in the mountains right there, pretty remote, and and everybody's there, the kids are there, so I'm kinda like, oh man.

02:26:24.000 And I'm sure they've seen me a ton of times and I've never seen never seen that.

02:26:27.000 They've probably been watching you.

02:26:28.000 I gotta get my game cams up.

02:26:29.000 Gotta get those game cams up.

02:26:31.000 Uh I have a bunch of them.

02:26:32.000 I just need to figure out how to link them all up.

02:26:33.000 I need someone to help me link them all up and the Wi-Fi and the whole thing.

02:26:36.000 Well, they could set up with cell phones now.

02:26:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:26:38.000 That's what's cool.

02:26:39.000 So you get text messages every time something walks through your camera.

02:26:42.000 I put the about 25 different uh 3D targets up.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, I need to do that.

02:26:45.000 The archery challenge guys came up, so I have a course that I can I can walk that I that I don't usually do.

02:26:50.000 But uh that's great though.

02:26:51.000 That's great to just have in the backyard.

02:26:53.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

02:26:53.000 That's pretty sweet.

02:26:54.000 That's awesome.

02:26:54.000 But I want to get some game camps on them to see what the interaction is because the moose come through, the elk come through, the mule deer come through, and I want to see those interactions.

02:27:01.000 There are about two hundred turkeys, it seems probably like more like a hundred or fifty, but I'm but a lot come through every day.

02:27:06.000 So I do I do love it up there.

02:27:08.000 And uh, and you know if someone's up there that you know if they're shouldn't be there.

02:27:12.000 Right.

02:27:12.000 And it was crazy.

02:27:13.000 That's uh sort of Charlie Kirk.

02:27:15.000 Remember, the only thing we had was that this guy was in black, right?

02:27:18.000 So everybody's on I'm on edge.

02:27:18.000 Right.

02:27:20.000 I'm like devastated by this thing.

02:27:21.000 I'm like really feeling it.

02:27:22.000 I met him once, uh, didn't know him, but I've our mutual friends who are who were very close to him.

02:27:27.000 So um so anyway, I was devastated by this thing.

02:27:31.000 And the kids saw it, so I'm devastated by that.

02:27:33.000 It's just you know, it's awful all the way around.

02:27:35.000 And uh there's a knock at our door, and I'm like, and this is like this is like the next day.

02:27:40.000 And I'm like, no one's supposed to be here.

02:27:42.000 Our gate was busted, so we're getting a whole new security system, but the gate was busted then, and uh and it's being fixed now.

02:27:48.000 So I'm like, what is this?

02:27:50.000 And I look at I can look out from a place where no one can see me, and it's this guy in all black.

02:27:54.000 Oh I knew it wasn't in my mind, I knew this isn't the person.

02:27:57.000 But you're hearing that's the only description.

02:28:00.000 This guy is head to toe black up in the mountains where I've never seen him before. 0.89

02:28:03.000 Like you have to work to get up to us.

02:28:05.000 And but his car was semi-nice parked outside.

02:28:07.000 I'm like, what is this?

02:28:08.000 I feel like an out here or something.

02:28:09.000 I'm like, this is weird.

02:28:10.000 And uh he was overweight, he didn't clearly didn't fit the description.

02:28:13.000 Right, but all black. 0.94

02:28:14.000 So I'm like on edge already.

02:28:16.000 And uh so I grabbed the pistol and uh go down to the door, and his back's to the door.

02:28:20.000 So you can't see his face.

02:28:22.000 So I'm like, what?

02:28:23.000 So I had the pistol behind my back, a little two two six behind my back, uh, because I can do some work with that thing.

02:28:28.000 And uh I'm like, yeah.

02:28:30.000 And he's like, Oh, we're doing some work around the corner with uh some some cement.

02:28:34.000 Do you need some any work with some men around here?

02:28:35.000 I'm like, No.

02:28:37.000 Like you're pretty nice to people.

02:28:39.000 But I was I was like and he's okay.

02:28:42.000 Walks by you guys just walk up people around here like that without an appointment.

02:28:47.000 Clearly at the gate is meant to keep people out.

02:28:49.000 Right.

02:28:50.000 And you come up all dressed in black the day after this thing happens and you randomly knock on a door.

02:28:56.000 And you have your back to the door.

02:28:58.000 That's so weird.

02:28:59.000 Bizarre.

02:29:00.000 Do you know who the guy is?

02:29:01.000 No, I was just like, I mean he's doing he was doing some work on one of the other places.

02:29:05.000 You want to know if you need cement?

02:29:06.000 Needed some cement.

02:29:08.000 Isn't that odd?

02:29:08.000 But in my mind, I'm like, well, I was just casing for something.

02:29:13.000 That found where you are, and that was his excuse.

02:29:16.000 I didn't think about that.

02:29:17.000 I was more thinking about just the the uh description of the Charlie Kirk personality.

02:29:23.000 Yeah, like why do you have extra cement, dude?

02:29:26.000 Bizarre.

02:29:26.000 You knocking on people's doors asking if they need cement.

02:29:29.000 And I think it was really somebody hustling, like trying to do some work, like hanging man type stuff, whatever.

02:29:34.000 But that was that was crazy.

02:29:35.000 One other person came up to the house when they shouldn't have, and uh that was like it was very strange.

02:29:40.000 Uh and anyway, if you're in the mountains and someone visits you can't get away.

02:29:43.000 Especially in the middle of the night, like that was during the day.

02:29:45.000 But this other one was in the middle of the night.

02:29:47.000 The middle of the night, like how late.

02:29:48.000 Like midnight.

02:29:49.000 Oh Jesus.

02:29:50.000 Yeah.

02:29:51.000 And so that one I put the AR by the door, had the had the pistol, and uh and went over.

02:29:55.000 They were looking.

02:29:56.000 It ends up they were looking for another house up there.

02:29:58.000 But it was very bizarre.

02:30:00.000 Yeah, it's late, late in a storm.

02:30:02.000 Oh yeah, coming down.

02:30:04.000 So you're like, was this one of those things where you open the door and the other guys rush in?

02:30:08.000 Right.

02:30:08.000 Type of a thing because it was a lady stumbling down through the snow with what I thought was a headlamp ended up being her.

02:30:13.000 I saw a video like that online where this lady knocked on a door and a bunch of dudes came in. 1.00

02:30:17.000 Exactly.

02:30:18.000 Yeah.

02:30:18.000 Exactly.

02:30:19.000 So uh anyway, yeah.

02:30:21.000 So working on the new security system.

02:30:23.000 Yeah.

02:30:24.000 Get some uh uh but it's it's if you come knocking on the door, it's uh and you shouldn't be there.

02:30:30.000 People need to have a little more common sense.

02:30:32.000 Yeah.

02:30:33.000 Or you're gonna get, you know.

02:30:35.000 Isn't it terrible though that you have to think like that?

02:30:37.000 Like someone could just have a car broken down and just need help.

02:30:40.000 I know you have to be on edge completely.

02:30:43.000 Yeah.

02:30:44.000 And if that was the case, of course I'd go up, but then you're still thinking like maybe someone's waiting to get you out of the house.

02:30:51.000 Exactly.

02:30:53.000 So it's gotta be smart.

02:30:53.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 Maybe call, hey, why don't you call some authorities up here and we'll just wait, you know?

02:30:57.000 We'll just get right here until they get here and they can help you with your car or whatever it was.

02:31:00.000 But um, yeah.

02:31:02.000 So trying to get a little better with the security type things.

02:31:06.000 Yeah, there's something about the woods and the mountains alone when you're by yourself that you worry about people coming to visit you anyway.

02:31:13.000 You worry about people just showing up.

02:31:15.000 Right.

02:31:15.000 It's not natural.

02:31:16.000 No, and if you're a person that just shows up, you have to recognize that.

02:31:19.000 That that's a very vulnerable position.

02:31:22.000 By yourself in a house in the woods or with your family in a house in the woods, and you just show up while it's snowing.

02:31:22.000 Right.

02:31:29.000 Yeah.

02:31:29.000 This is a beginning of a movie.

02:31:31.000 It's a horrible movie.

02:31:31.000 Right.

02:31:32.000 Exactly.

02:31:33.000 Yeah.

02:31:34.000 So and when we lived in town, people did come by and kind of expect it.

02:31:37.000 You live in town, there's no role of security, whatever, you know, it's kind of like more expected.

02:31:40.000 That's more normal.

02:31:42.000 When you're way up there, and especially on the the guy dressed in work was weird.

02:31:42.000 Yeah.

02:31:45.000 Like when it gets darker, like when you're rather in in the woods and it gets darker, and then people show up.

02:31:51.000 Those people immediately seem like danger.

02:31:53.000 Suspect.

02:31:54.000 Yeah.

02:31:56.000 I mean, that's the old instinct that kept us alive for so long.

02:31:56.000 Yeah.

02:31:59.000 Like, I need to be on edge here.

02:32:00.000 Exactly.

02:32:00.000 Until who's his friend or foe?

02:32:02.000 Type of a thing until you know.

02:32:02.000 Yeah.

02:32:03.000 Some invading tribe member of the night.

02:32:06.000 Until you absolutely know you're gonna uh err on the side of caution and protecting your life and the lives of your loved ones.

02:32:11.000 Well, listen, brother.

02:32:12.000 Oh man.

02:32:13.000 I'm very excited about this book.

02:32:14.000 I want to get into it.

02:32:15.000 Uh is the audio available, right?

02:32:17.000 Audio available, Ray Porter.

02:32:18.000 That's uh out right now.

02:32:20.000 And uh yeah, audio ebook hardcover.

02:32:22.000 I like how you went back to James Reese's day, too.

02:32:25.000 Ah, there it is.

02:32:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:27.000 Yeah.

02:32:28.000 And we're pitching this to Amazon here, I think in the next month or so as a series, so you never know if it's gonna happen or not.

02:32:33.000 But uh that'd be a cool one.

02:32:35.000 I think people are ready for a uh another Vietnam style TV show or movie. 0.82

02:32:40.000 It's been a while.

02:32:41.000 It's been a while since we've had a good one.

02:32:43.000 At the very least, book.

02:32:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:44.000 I'm excited.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 And this one was uh essentially it's a espionage thriller set in uh in Saigon, but set in in Southeast Asia uh more specifically.

02:32:53.000 And no one's really done that since Quiet American Graham Green, Tears of Autumn, uh and Graham Green was 1955, and uh Tears of Autumn was 1974, and and uh Jean Le Corre was the honorable school boy in 1977, So it's been a uh it's been a while.

02:33:07.000 Yeah.

02:33:08.000 Cry havoc.

02:33:09.000 Available right now.

02:33:09.000 Yeah.

02:33:10.000 Congratulations on everything, brother.

02:33:12.000 I'm very, very happy for you.

02:33:13.000 So great to see you.

02:33:14.000 This is awesome to see you killing out there.

02:33:16.000 Thanks, brother.

02:33:16.000 Appreciate everything.

02:33:17.000 My pleasure.

02:33:18.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 08, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2390 - Jack Carr

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