Joe Rogan is a comedian, actor, writer, and podcaster. In this episode, he tells the story of how he almost killed a dove, and talks about how he got into a fight with a bird. He also talks about the time he tried to put together a child's bed.
00:01:53.000My my wife, remember one time when my kid was really young, I had to put together a child's bed, and I'm like, I can do it, and I go to put the bed together and and uh well I couldn't.
00:02:04.000I I couldn't because uh there were directions, and I was like, I the screws, you know, they number the screws.
00:03:17.000That's how you stay from getting injured.
00:03:19.000I did this thing with uh Tosh, Daniel Tosh and I um at the at uh wildcard gym where Tosh was getting punched by Manny, and I was like, help it was like some silly sketch we were doing.
00:03:30.000And uh but Manny was there for a real workout day and just kindly uh allowed Tosh like 20 minutes of his time and they did this little thing.
00:03:45.000It's all like these he's working out with rubber bands where it's like short little movements and and it's all these twisting and turning and he's got guys stretching him, he's like, you know, he's moving around, like everything's very slow.
00:07:47.000Yeah, they they were doing this ri this uh neuroplasticity kind of like these scans, and they found that the monks that sit around and meditate on joy.
00:07:56.000You know, they like think of the joyous things that that part of their brain expands.
00:08:00.000I mean They should talk to Charlie Sheen because he was telling me a story about how he got his dick sucked while he was smoking crack for the very first time, and it was the greatest experience of his life.
00:08:45.000That shit'll that shit'll for some people that shit'll grab you.
00:08:48.000Oh, I think for most people that shit grabs you.
00:08:50.000Yeah, I think you have to be like averse to doing things that'll fuck your life up.
00:08:54.000Like you have to have like a an automatic like maybe you grew up around alcoholics or something like that, Or you saw I I didn't none of my like I didn't have like uh anyone in my family that ruined their life with alcohol, but I did have friends that had uh close relatives that I saw become addicted to cocaine and I saw this when I was in high school.
00:09:15.000So I got like really scared of addiction, and I also when I was working construction, there's this fucking dude that I was friends with who was really cool.
00:09:25.000He was uh an older guy, I mean older than me, and I was like 16 at the time, 17, and uh he was probably in his early 30s, but he couldn't keep his shit together.
00:09:36.000He just couldn't stop drinking, and he would he would be good for a while and then he would start drinking again.
00:09:43.000And um man, he was so funny, he was so fun, he was like such a cool guy, and he was a drummer in a band, and the band just you know, never kind of his name is Robbie, and the band never kind of fucking got it together, but he was like he could have been my best friend if like we were the same age and we were hanging out together.
00:10:08.000But I was watching a man who was a carpenter, he was a Finnish carpenter, and uh, you know, very talented carpenter, but he would just ruin his life every time.
00:10:23.000It would be, you know, he'd all of a sudden be drinking a Budweiser, and then it was off to the races.
00:10:28.000I don't that's the thing about uh addiction, you know.
00:10:31.000I I or just anything in life if you want to be good at something.
00:10:34.000I actually don't think you can do it necessarily.
00:10:39.000I mean, some people can maybe, but I don't know how long when you say when you talk about discipline, when you say I'm just not gonna do it, you you that worked for some people, but I don't think it works for people like that.
00:10:50.000I think what they have to do their brains wired differently.
00:11:22.000Like, so if you can all of sudden become a marathon runner when before you were just looking to score meth every day, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:29.000You definitely that's a better thing to be addicted to because it's not gonna ruin your life.
00:11:33.000It might ruin your ankles and your knees and shit.
00:11:36.000But you it's not gonna ruin your life where it like takes away all your money and you you wind up sucking dick for rocks, you know, like the hot people do stuff.
00:11:46.000Well, do you remember I said to you, uh we were talking, and I said, I think you had gotten some, you know, it was in the press you made some sign some deal or something.
00:11:54.000And I said, you know, I've known you 30 years, and the one thing the the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind.
00:12:35.000But I do it because it r it it's hard.
00:12:39.000And I don't want to, and I have to warm my frame up, and then I have to go wrestle around with these fucking monsters.
00:12:46.000But there's something about it getting better at it, kind of slowly the incremental criminal getting better at something, and I do it because it's hard.
00:13:33.000I I always use jujitsu or something like that just because it's hard, but it's it's a it's a placeholder for a lot of other things.
00:13:39.000Well, it also lets you know that there's a process in life that you can apply like universally, and that is like focus and attention and you know, and this objective goal of getting better, and then you see progress.
00:13:55.000And then you realize, like, oh, this is kind of applicable to just being a human being.
00:14:00.000Like you can get better at being a human being by by thinking about okay, I fucked that up, I fuck this up, but I did that good.
00:15:01.000But if you don't have that, you don't have a skill set.
00:15:04.000If you don't have something, what happens is you then negotiate individuality with um accoutrement, as they say in France, which means your hair blue.
00:15:14.000Of course, and and get all kinds of tattoos and then do some crazy shit.
00:17:07.000I looked up that that uh it's some kind of a an information act that uh and if you one of the things is if you're if you post annoying, annoying.
00:17:16.000It's like that's everything I've ever got.
00:18:50.000Like as far as like, you know, dramas where you follow them along, which really ruined movies.
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00:19:54.000Which would mean you wear you wear a collar and tie, sir with with n those knickers, those uh are you talking about like a shoot with a gun?
00:21:32.000And uh you learn how you have to lead them, and you learn like how to shoot with a uh a shotgun where you're you're kinda like you kinda it's almost like feel like you feel where the pellets are gonna go and you want the discs.
00:22:03.000And then they run into the pellets and they they perish.
00:22:05.000So different than any other shooting that I've ever done, because all the shooting that I've ever done, you have to be dead still.
00:22:11.000Like everything I've shot with a rifle, rather.
00:22:13.000So rifle shooting, you you don't move at all, and it's just about control and controlling yourself and staying calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger.
00:22:24.000It's like, you know, they used to say that like the comanche, one of the things that was crazy Was they some of them weren't even really accurate with a bow if you just gave them a bow and told them to shoot at it like a target.
00:22:58.000Do you know what what was a game changer with art with with shooting shooting or uh a bow from a horse, you know you know what invention changed everything?
00:24:02.000If you've got a sword and you have to deal with a group of those dudes injured, there's a lot of bad motherfuckers from that part of the world, bro.
00:24:22.000Yeah, like they because they made everybody look like a goat fucker and a retard, and meanwhile, they're like some of the fiercest fucking human beings on earth.
00:24:52.000But any kind of reconstruction of the ligaments, you um you feel better before you're better.
00:24:58.000You gotta be real careful because what happens is when you get a reconstruction of your knee, So, like, say if they use a cadaver, that does not become your new tendon.
00:25:10.000What that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new tendon.
00:25:14.000And so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon meat.
00:25:49.000That was a patella tendon graft, and that one took a lot longer to heal.
00:25:54.000Because you you're taking a chip out of your bone, a chip out of your shin, and a slice of your patella tendon, which is a very thick, large tendon, and then they open you up like a fish and screw both of them in place.
00:27:59.000It's this guy's digging elbows and knuckles into like your IT band and you uh yeah, all different parts you're just that's my calves, I'll fucking cry.
00:28:08.000Different parts of your spine, different parts of your calves, your your legs, your your lower back, all that stuff.
00:28:42.000They're very callous now, like maybe more callous than they've ever been.
00:28:44.000They've always been kind of callous from kettlebells, but now I'm getting different ones, like on the front fingers, the the the pointer fingers.
00:28:53.000I always get my caluses on the right where the ring finger is for some reason on both hands.
00:31:27.000And then I get a band sometimes and I'll just turn like that, like I'll be on my own.
00:31:30.000The best thing about the iron neck, in my opinion, is there's other stuff that you could do, like harnesses where you do like chin ups with your neck or like not chin ups like you think of.
00:31:39.000But like you have this harness around your head, and then there's a chain at the end of the chain is a dumbbell, and then what you're doing is just using your neck to lift the weights.
00:31:47.000The guy from Iron Neck had a real good point.
00:31:49.000He's like that that puts like weird stress on your all those different discs.
00:32:53.000If I get you in this position and I'm holding that arm there, but the problem was I was developing like a real pinch nerve, and then it wound up making my fingertips numb.
00:33:02.000And then that's when I found out the chiropractors are quacks.
00:33:05.000I went to a chiropractor for like a year and just gave this guy money to bullshit me.
00:33:22.000I did know that chiropractors go to zero days of medical school and they get to call themselves a doctor.
00:33:27.000I also didn't know that chiropractic, the whole idea of it was founded by a magnetic healer who uh like it came to him like a seance or some shit.
00:33:47.000Psychopath and then took over his business and then started saying that, you know, the cracking people's backs can fix leukemia and all kinds of shit.
00:34:05.000There's something beneficial about um massage and a lot of the other things that are doing.
00:34:10.000They're they're essentially loosening up like this trigger point shit that I told you I've been doing.
00:34:15.000That's the extreme version of it, which I think is way more effective.
00:34:18.000But there's something to the manipulation.
00:34:20.000Well, it releases but there's also a lot of people that have had fucking serious consequences of getting their neck cracked, where they have strokes, correct.
00:34:28.000And like things fuck like this uh there's a guy I just saw on um the news the other day that had compartment syndrome where he's like he can't move his body anymore because he went to a chiropractor, and before he's like this like little smiley happy guy, like nightmare.
00:34:44.000And again, this is not all chiropractors, a lot of chiropractors, I'm sure, give you benefit because I think there's something too like loosening you up.
00:34:52.000Well, no, it's pushing on you, and there's a physical therapy aspect.
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00:36:41.000That guy, everybody I know who like he trains Olympic weightlifters and real Olympians, and he'll show you what what he's he knows the body so well, and this is the greatest.
00:36:51.000I I DM him because people I respect were talking about how they they follow him, like a lot I know a lot of trainers who follow them and stuff.
00:36:57.000And if you if you go to his thing, you'll see he demonstrates how somebody will have an impingement.
00:37:02.000This is an Olympic weightlifter or something.
00:37:04.000Pain for two years, and then he'll give them an exercise.
00:37:08.000Literally an exercise, and it will actually change them almost instantaneously or within a couple of days, right?
00:37:15.000And because he really understands the body.
00:37:17.000So I had heel pain, really bad heel pain.
00:37:20.000I would wake up and I couldn't walk, so it's like plantar fasciitis, what's going on?
00:37:24.000You had gouts on so I go to a couple of podiatrists and they make me the implants, it's like you just need art support and all that.
00:37:51.000I would wear those kind of, you know, you want to be cool.
00:37:54.000And what was happening is my big toes being every time I would wear a blazer, every time I blazer, I would sometimes be like, I'm gonna wear a blazer and a collar shirt, and I'd walk in and you'd go, Hey, you're teaching substitute school, you a substitute teacher again?
00:38:07.000I'd be like, fuck this man, take it off.
00:38:24.000But he told me, he goes, he said, I think what's happening is your sh your big toes being pushed in, and sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel.
00:38:34.000So your heel is actually at is actually getting necrosis, actually dying.
00:39:35.000You'll feel every little part of your foot like pushing.
00:39:40.000And that's how they're supposed to engage.
00:39:43.000You know, traditional shoes are essentially like a cast.
00:39:46.000There's this hard thing that that that separates you from the ground so your toes don't articulate and push and everything is just like from the leg into this cast and that pushes down because it's like this big spongy hard surface that you put your fucking foot into.
00:40:03.000How much do you do how how often, like how many hours you work out like how long a day?
00:41:47.000The whole thing is the amount of repetitions.
00:41:50.000Now, if you do three sets of ten and you do them back to back, boy, you get to that third set, you might barely be able to get up that tenth rep, right?
00:42:01.000Because you've done cleans and presses, you gave yourself like a minute rest in between sets and then you went and did it again, and a minute rest in between the third set, and then you want you're fucking tired as shit.
00:43:02.000And it allows your body to fully recover so that you can you when you lift it up, like if you go to clean the second set, you're you're fully engaged, you feel good, you feel rested, you feel strong, and then you bust out those sets, and then you wait again.
00:44:25.000It's like really important for kicking.
00:44:27.000Like kicking, you know, uh, people think it's in the legs, and it certainly is, but a lot of it is in your in the torque that you generate with your core.
00:44:36.000That's really where the power comes from.
00:44:40.000A real powerful kick is all from it's all and the leg kind of follows through with it.
00:44:47.000But when you dig into it, if you have a weak core, you there's no way you're gonna generate enough force to even get that leg moving correctly.
00:44:55.000I love that we're 58 and talking about the importance of kicking and torque.
00:45:07.000But also more importantly, I do the work to make sure that my body can still do this at fifty-eight.
00:45:11.000If you're like 58 and you're a mailman and you've been drinking every night and you haven't gone to the gym in six months, you're like, I'm gonna go kick the bag, like slow.
00:46:34.000You know, I don't have to fucking do somersaults over and over again.
00:46:38.000You would do all these different body weight things.
00:46:41.000They would do like duck walks and bear claw crawls, but the their idea was hey, you should be fit enough that you could do all this shit and it's easy, and then you start training, and then you're fit to train, and it'll help your training.
00:46:57.000However, if you're trying to teach people something, the worst way to teach them is when they're exhausted.
00:47:04.000So if you can say like Carl Gotch, famously, the he's a famous catch wrestling guru who was a great wrestler back in like God, I think it was like the 50s and 60s, back when catch wrestling was legit.
00:47:19.000It's an American style submission wrestling that a lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you you think about um, is that Ken Shamrock and stuff?
00:47:29.000No, Ken Shamrock Ken Shamrock had a little bit of that for sure.
00:47:33.000You know, Ken Shamrock was m he was a hybrid.
00:47:36.000You know, he did a lot of training in Japan and he did he was a leg lock guy before anybody was.
00:47:41.000Like Ken Shamrock won some of the early UFCs with heel hooks.
00:47:44.000Nobody even knew what the fuck was going on.
00:47:46.000Um he was also a massive human being, too.
00:48:20.000Like everybody like knock each other out and everybody beat the fuck out of each other.
00:48:23.000So it's like, but that's not you produce animals when you do that, but you're not gonna produce the most technical guys from most of the people.
00:48:34.000Most of the most technical guys, the what they they think of there's two, you have to compartmentalize two different things.
00:48:40.000Like toughness, like in training, if you're doing cardio, if you're doing hill sprints, if you're doing you know, live drills, there's toughness, but then there's also you you gotta really know technique.
00:48:54.000And technique is the king of all when it comes to MMA.
00:49:42.000He's get he was getting Oma Plotted and triangled and this and that and all of Vera just dominated him on the ground.
00:49:51.000And then when it comes to stand up, well, Alveira is better at stand-up than him.
00:49:54.000So they go on the feet and Gamrat's fucked.
00:49:56.000He's getting lit up on the feet by Oliveira, and then Oliveira takes him down and strangles him, takes his back and chokes him out because I leveled the first guy to ever finish Gamera.
00:50:05.000But it just showed the importance of technique.
00:52:23.000But also like technique, like when you watch how they bring boxers up, like Virgil Hunter, you know, in his camp, Andre Berto and Andre Ward.
00:52:32.000Man, the to watch how they like the the old school boxers, I love watching them.
00:53:26.000It was a master class because there was one point in the fight where Terrence was pity patting them.
00:53:31.000So what he'll do is he'll pity pat you and then load up with big shots.
00:53:35.000But he was so dominant that he could stand in front of Canelo Alvarez, who's one of the most feared boxers, one of the greats of all time of the sport, no doubt.
00:53:45.000And Terrence Crawford is sitting in front of him going pap whip.
00:58:58.000He's he's beating Canelo Alvarez and kind of making him look a little silly and doing it with the highest stakes humanly possible with a guy that can break your face with one punch.
00:59:09.000I mean he's missiles are headed his way.
01:00:57.000There's a lot of like strength and conditioning videos of him where you see him like really working hard and really like put on quality mass where he did it slowly over the you know, he didn't get roided up and then just gain a bunch of muscle.
01:01:27.000That's it depends on you're not gonna get unless you get really crazy bodybuilder big, like Mr. Olympia big.
01:01:34.000But Vander Holyfield didn't slow down when he moved up to heavyweight.
01:01:38.000He actually got more fit and picked up his punching power.
01:01:42.000You know, it's like you can put on muscle and you can get stronger and still be fast.
01:01:48.000And Terrence totally showed that in that fight.
01:01:51.000That fight was just that's that's what boxing is really all about.
01:01:55.000Yeah, I love it's like boxing is one of the few, it's such an honest place in this crazy world where I don't know where the fuck the truth is.
01:03:36.000If I was a gambler, like all you have to do is get one person, say if you're betting on a split decision.
01:03:43.000You have to just one person in the bag.
01:03:45.000You just got one person that scores it the other way no matter what, and you give that person 200 grand, and now you're gonna make 20 million.
01:04:29.000If there's a drug that made you stare at your hand all day, fucked it.
01:04:33.000Literally the theme of what I wrote about 'cause I was like, I I'm I find myself like I I find myself going, I'm not gonna look at my phone, and then I get sucked in, and there's fun, good things to watch, whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this, but it's a highlight reel, man.
01:04:47.000It's like mining for gold though in a really shitty spot.
01:04:51.000Like you're not getting a lot of gold.
01:05:11.000I was I was listening to a political podcast, my buddy walked by, said something so cool, because he's done really well in life, and he goes, He goes, Are you listening to the weather again?
01:05:23.000I'm either listening because I want somebody to confirm my bias, or I'm listening because I w maybe want to hear something I kind of already know, or it'll be a different twist that somehow in my mind I can use as an argument against somebody I already disagree with you.
01:05:46.000I'm just I I my problem is I don't think you do this at all, but I do know there are people you can make a lot of money in the podcast space in the influencer space if you draw strong good guy, bad guy narratives.
01:06:00.000And if you can make those narratives biblical, please.
01:06:13.000I think that's worth a worthy conversation to have.
01:06:16.000But man, you gotta be careful about getting sucked into those narratives because sometimes it's not that simple.
01:06:21.000Well, it's also what we were talking about earlier, people that aren't good at anything in their life, and their life gets captured by whatever team they're on, whether they're Democrats or Republicans.
01:07:27.000People that are weak bitches, they always want to Conflate being disciplined and having personal responsibility with being an asshole.
01:07:35.000No, you can be a really nice person and still you know you don't you don't have to be a shithead just because you take care of yourself and you're healthy.
01:07:52.000It's like people just get so tribal, and the reason why they do it is because they don't have anything else in their life.
01:07:57.000They don't have anything that's really important and interesting in their life.
01:08:00.000And so they get like completely captured by politics.
01:08:03.000You see this now with like um you gotta give Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of the world where you know that's been at war since Moses had a parting of the ways with the Pharaoh.
01:08:20.000And a lot of them are, you know, those poor Israelis that have been there for two years, and what has happened to those people during that time.
01:08:26.000But look, imagine being an Israeli prisoner and you're in Gaza and they're just sh starving and digging your own grave shelling the fuck out of that place for two years and never thinking you're gonna get home to your family again.
01:09:29.000Whatever whatever Trump had to do to do this, what's fascinating is watching people's reaction where they don't want to reluctantly give him credit for it.
01:10:11.000If you really look at Barack Obama's what his legacy and what he actually brought to the United States in terms of punishment of whistleblowers, drone deaths, some fucking crazy number, like plus eighty percent of the people who killed by drones were innocent.
01:10:31.000But but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great spokesman and a great representative of America, because he certainly was, because he was brilliant and articulate and just seemed calm and measured and all those things are great.
01:10:45.000But the reality is this fucking country is bought and paid for by huge financial interests who would like us to go bomb places because they make bombs.
01:10:57.000They make weapons, and those weapons cost a fuckload of money, and they come up with all sorts of cute reasons why we should go fuck up Yemen.
01:11:05.000And have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast?
01:11:08.000No, but I was gonna get to this point.
01:11:09.000But also, you have to have weapons because the rest of the world is fucked.
01:11:13.000So it's like you have to have this balanced perspective on this stuff.
01:11:38.000Because, you know, Israel's just bombing the shit out of Gaza, and they're like, they don't care about human shields, and they're like, fuck you, you guys you attacked us, it's over, we're gonna wipe you out.
01:11:48.000So this guy is what he's done is if it sticks.
01:12:37.000And the of course they infiltrate every organization.
01:12:41.000They infl that's how they get all their information.
01:12:43.000They literally have a soldier that is so dedicated to Israel that they give their life to go pretend to be Hamas and probably even commit terror, just so that they can be legit.
01:12:54.000And then that person will feed all the information to Israel.
01:12:58.000I mean, you have to have like the people who love Israel, one like I h you know, you could be one of those people like I hate Zionists, I hate Zionism, I hate what they've done.
01:13:20.000Well, because every threat for Israel is existential.
01:13:23.000One of the things I think the strength of Israel, the fact fascinating idea because when Trump made a speech at the Knesset, BB Netanyahu was booed by a lot of Israelis, and Trump was hailed.
01:13:36.000And the point of that is that Israel is a democracy where they're constantly arguing with each other.
01:13:44.000And your your job, if you're prime minister or whatever, is always precarious because there are people who are always going to be critical and they'll be Israelis.
01:13:52.000Whereas there isn't this sort of monolithic sort of idea.
01:13:55.000Like the Knesset has but the one thing that unifies Israelis, no matter what, they'll debate.
01:14:00.000And you want to talk about the the war in Gaza and how it was per prosecuted.
01:14:10.000You fucking when when they're threatened with their existence, you you want to threaten the existence of Israel, they'll unify right quick.
01:14:17.000And they'll they'll fucking blow up pagers.
01:14:19.000They got a thousand ways to get to you.
01:15:18.000Was there like so pe people get all conspiratorial with stuff like that?
01:15:22.000Then things get real weird because there is this thing that we don't want to believe, but we do know is true that there are certain groups in this world that are very motivated to have a war.
01:15:35.000No one everyone wants to believe the only reason to have a military is because we're the just righteous great country of the United States of America, and we don't do anything unless we're defending ourselves or defending some other democracy that's being destroyed by communism or whatever.
01:17:38.000He had an enormous amount of money through no way that nobody could ever explain.
01:17:43.000Which, you know, if you're a state funded, you're funded by Israel and Israel's funded by America, and you know, there's also NGOs and nonprofits, and there's ways to move money around where you can give this guy money.
01:18:44.000And they probably felt like they were rock stars because they get to hang out with the intellectual elite on an island with a guy who is just a billionaire philanthropist who's eccentric, who just loves women.
01:18:55.000He's a professed bachelor, and it all seemed too good to be crew.
01:19:00.000So he was, I think he was an asset, whether or not it was for the Mossad strictly or Israel strictly, or the United States strictly, whether it was a CIA thing, whatever.
01:19:28.000And regular women, and they're in their 30s or 40s or whatever they are, and every now and then they do coke and they get drunk and they killed it.
01:20:05.000And all these girls show up, and you're like, well, this is Christmas in July.
01:20:09.000Bill is really interested in string theory.
01:20:11.000He'd like to talk to you about string theory.
01:20:12.000So you're sitting down there having cocktails while Bill Clinton's getting a massage from some girl who's rubbing her tits against the back of his head while she's massaging you.
01:20:28.000And I think they all thought that it was this lovely exchange of powerful people and brilliant people, and then they were just getting dirt on all of them.
01:20:38.000Guys cheating on their wives, guys, whether knowingly or unknowingly having sex with underage girls.
01:20:44.000Everybody was maybe maybe some guys that was their thing.
01:21:17.000We have the Epstein files right here and they had binders.
01:21:21.000Like what what kind of political theater is that?
01:21:23.000If you don't really have the Epstein files, it's probably theater.
01:21:26.000And what I mean by that is I think like if they are keeping something quiet, it's because it's it's video of underage girls or it's video of the victims who don't want that to be out there.
01:21:39.000And that's you can't the Justice Department cannot make that public.
01:21:42.000They cannot they cannot bring that to Congress.
01:21:44.000That's all sealed for their privacy, right?
01:22:21.000And I think uh when he had that plea deal in 2008, uh he got tipped off, remember.
01:22:26.000And when the feds or whoever when I think it was the Florida police department came to kind of collect all the evidence in Palm Beach, uh those computers weren't there anymore.
01:22:35.000So all that shit was scrubbed, all that shit was taken out.
01:22:38.000So part of a plea deal is you don't you don't collect evidence.
01:22:50.000The part of the plea deal is we are not this investigation is over.
01:22:55.000You plead, you do your time uh in this jail where you have to you can go out and play golf during the day, but you have to come back and then you're gonna be able to do it.
01:23:40.000But I think there's a lot of super powerful people that are very, very, very wealthy, and they have the ability to say whether or not things get out.
01:23:51.000I think I think it's interesting how some ideas take root and and stay strong.
01:23:57.000Like, you know, sometimes you'll just find that people will just all of a sudden everybody will start agreeing on one thing.
01:26:36.000Now they have this overwhelming urge, the way somebody would have, say, if they're a gambler or whatever the fuck it is, and they have no one to talk to, because if they go to a therapist, the therapist has to tell the police.
01:26:49.000So the idea just this is the idea is if we destigmatize pedophilia and call it a minor attractive person, and and you're allowed to talk to a therapist without having to be incarcerated, the idea would be maybe they can get help and they won't touch kids because a professional can help them, etc.
01:27:12.000I understand the I understand the I guess philosophy behind that, but it's it we get into this very dangerous territory where everything becomes medicalized and everything becomes an excuse.
01:27:26.000So all of a sudden we find out, and we may Sapolsky says this.
01:27:30.000Maybe in 20 years we find out serial killers just had something wrong with their brain, and if we had the same lesion on our brain, we'd be the same way.
01:27:59.000Um so they they I think they said not guilty for reasons of insanity.
01:28:04.000So this guy's been on his medication and he hasn't hallucinated in a couple of years, and so now they're releasing him from this mental institution to some sort of uh a home where they monitor them closely.
01:28:16.000No, until you can actually cut out that part of the brain.
01:29:16.000Um your organization recently re uh released a report analyzing the five hundred most viewed, most influential tweets um that identified LGBTQ people as so-called groomers.
01:29:32.000Um the groomer narrative is an age-old lie to position LGBTQ plus people as a threat to kids, and it what it does is deny them access to public spaces, it stokes fear and can even stoke violence.
01:29:46.000Mr. Robinson, according to its own hateful content policy, does Twitter allow posts calling LGBTQ people groomers?
01:29:57.000I mean, Twitter along with Facebook and many others Have community guidelines.
01:30:01.000It's about holding users accountable to those guidelines and acknowledging that when we use phrases and words like rumors and pedophiles to describe people, individuals in our communities that are mothers, that are fathers, that are teachers, that are our doctors, it is dangerous.
01:31:02.000So it's connecting it's connecting gay people and trans people to pedophilia by calling them groomers.
01:31:08.000That's why I'm important to watch her what she actually said instead of getting your fucking information in snippets from TikTok from other people who have opinions.
01:31:30.000Like there was some certain things that he said, like one of them when he was talking about um Katanji Brown Jackson, who's a Supreme Court justice who graduated from Harvard, Magda Cum Lottie.
01:32:54.000But when you ask me what a woman is, it's a biological female human being that is responsible for every fucking life that's on earth.
01:33:03.000It's like it's a very important distinction.
01:33:05.000I think every human being on earth came from a woman.
01:33:09.000But this goes back to you and I talking about when you're busy and you're trying to you're running a business, you're building a brand, you're trying to write jokes, whatever it might be.
01:33:46.000I think part of the transgender thing, at least in colleges and among and it's interesting how it took root in places of higher education.
01:33:56.000I think what happened was there was currency in being a minority.
01:34:00.000There was currency in being oppressed.
01:34:03.000There's currency in being somebody who's marginalized and struggling.
01:34:06.000There's there's there's something when you are not that, when you are not in those positions, there's when you're looking at it, somehow it got a little bit romanticized.
01:34:26.000You get to be a minority, and if you're black, brown, indigenous, you had to go through slavery hundreds of years of of brutal colonization.
01:34:34.000But when you're white, you can be blonde hair, blue eyed, come from a great family, but you can be a minority on the same level as somebody who's black because you feel like it.
01:34:44.000Because you, your your feeling, you have your feelings.
01:35:26.000Vice does these weird debates, and the the way they did this one was very strange.
01:35:30.000Uh it was about uh it was women uh and these feminists and uh and these other women that were talking about um trans people and whether or not trans people are women.
01:36:25.000Um so I play semi-pro basketball, semi-pro volleyball.
01:36:28.000So when it comes to like athletic spaces, I don't think that trans women should be allowed into athletic spaces.
01:36:34.000Because I don't think it's a fair um I think we as a female athletes, we work so incredibly hard for the little opportunity there is in women's sports.
01:36:42.000Would this be a barrier for the bigger?
01:36:43.000Like this, there's no barrier, there's less opportunity in some industries that's a barrier.
01:36:47.000There's less it's not no, no, no, it's on the market.
01:38:19.000There's trans women, and then there's perverts who enter into these spaces.
01:38:24.000This is you given you've given them a Willy Wonka golden ticket.
01:38:27.000It's like it's like pedophiles who found a a safe haven when they could put on a the the garb the robes of a priest.
01:38:33.000And the crazy thing is like a lot of these things, like that one in LA with that uh the health club that was uh they got protested because they kicked trans woman out of the locker room.
01:41:15.000You f you should be studied in a museum.
01:41:18.000They should they're gonna one day they're gonna look at that lady and that ideology, like, look at this virus that infected these people's brains.
01:42:25.000But the problem is most people don't have an opportunity to communicate with him.
01:42:30.000And so they see these young kids communicating with him on these college campuses and him t trouncing these young kids, and you see things getting, you know, combative or argumentative, and then you see clips.
01:42:41.000And so the clips, the little tiny ones, like you don't have the intellectual capacity to be taken seriously.
01:42:48.000And so you you got to take your spot from a white person.
01:42:52.000Like just that clip is a real problem because he didn't have to say it that way, but I know what he was trying to say.
01:42:58.000He would what he should have said is a more qualified person because in reality, the people that get the discriminated the most in when it comes to particularly universities, are Asians.
01:43:10.000So if you wanted to like have a a theory of white supremacy, that goes out the window when you look at standards that universities have because the people that they discriminate against the most are Asians.
01:44:00.000And they they rarely complain and they rarely protest.
01:44:03.000So when they have to sue Harvard, it's probably because of something real.
01:44:08.000And it turns out it was because of something real.
01:44:10.000And it's not just Harvard, it's multiple universities have higher standards that they apply to Asian people because the Asian people work harder and because they don't want their school to be overrun by Asians.
01:44:26.000If it's a they did the same thing to Jews in in the 50s in Harvard.
01:44:29.000All these Jews were getting into Harvard, they were like, we have to have a quota, there's going to be overrun with Jews.
01:44:35.000But then there's also the reality that people that live in poor communities have way shittier schools and way less funding and way less hope, and that's bad for everybody.
01:44:46.000So I don't think the the solution is to let unqualified people in.
01:44:52.000And this is like with affirmative action pissed a lot of people off.
01:44:56.000I think the solution is find the root of the problem and tump pump a bunch of resources into cleaning up communities and making these schools better and making these communities better and coming up opening community centers and giving people a chance to get the fuck out of whatever give them some trades or skills or teach them sports or music or something that gives them hope that they can do outside of gang banging and selling crack.
01:45:22.000And the the you know the thing that I always point to is that that could be you.
01:45:28.000If you were born in that area, that would be you.
01:45:30.000That's a human being that's trapped in this community.
01:45:34.000I don't think the solution is take this guy who's got C's and give him a job over a guy who gets straight A's.
01:45:41.000I think the solution is find out why this guy has C's, where did he come from?
01:45:46.000If we're real if if leaders are real leaders, why would you ignore the most disenfranchised people in the world unless you're using them as political pawns?
01:45:56.000What you should do is try to figure out a way to make it profitable for businesses.
01:46:00.000The same way Halliburton b pa like when we blew up Iraq, Halburton came in and made a shit ton of money rebuilding things.
01:46:07.000Make it profitable to make these fucking communities safe again.
01:46:15.000And people don't want to so you we can't even get out of the fucking gates.
01:46:18.000So if I say something like the biggest problem in some communities, by the way, certain white communities, definitely in certain black communities, the biggest problem is fatherlessness.
01:46:29.000If I say that, there are plenty of people that say that's that's we're we're already I'm already gonna push back because you're already being racist.
01:47:00.000I'm sorry, the Japanese, I'm sorry, the Japanese Chinese.
01:47:02.000And and uh Iris Chang ended up killing herself.
01:47:06.000And I think her mother or someone said it was because of the just the trauma of doing the research of what they did.
01:47:12.000Well, they had contests to see who could kill the most people in a short amount of time with their sword.
01:47:17.000It was the most ferocious killing besides I think Rwanda in the history, but a concentrated number.
01:47:22.000And I said to my Taekwondo teacher, I was I was in college, and he was Korean, and I said, Why haven't the Chinese asked for some kind of reparation?
01:47:31.000Why haven't they sort of like asked for formal apologies and stuff?
01:47:35.000And he said, Because in in Asian culture, Chinese, Korean culture, Japanese culture.
01:47:40.000The idea is this the Chinese said, Oh, well, that happened to us because we allowed it to happen.
01:47:48.000We didn't we didn't have our guard up.
01:47:50.000We weren't strong, and it'll never happen again, because you're never doing that to us again.
01:48:44.000Um but that does make sense because they just they then no excuses, they just excel.
01:48:49.000You'll you'll learn how to play a fucking classical instrument fluently and be great in finance.
01:48:54.000How did they get people to work on the railroads specifically from China?
01:48:58.000Like what was the origin of the colour?
01:48:59.000I think they came here, I think it was part of the gold rush, and I think uh a number of them came here uh uh on the West Coast, I think, through San Francisco.
01:49:08.000And how'd he wind up being the predominant workforce of they needed labor?
01:50:42.000You know, there's there's things that are just not factually correct, or there's a problem where whatever government or agency or whatever you're researching has pushed so much propaganda through that the standard of what you like standard of care or standard of education or standard of whatever is this incorrect stuff.
01:51:04.000Like one of the weird things that Hubman was saying when um he he was talking to one of his colleagues who is a physician, uh, and he said, what percentage of what is in the medical literature is incorrect?
01:51:57.000Some people and some people under constant search to protect their ego and their reputation because they've said one thing in the past, so that's the lie.
01:53:10.000It's not really even like just if you know all the process that's involved in in in making it, it's also not nearly as healthy as olive oil, and you can get olive oil.
01:53:47.000Many studies suggest echinacea may help support immune function and possibly reduce the number and severity of upper respiratory infections.
01:53:53.000Some trials some trials found a small reduction in cold risk or illness duration while high quality reviews show little to no statistically significant benefit over placebo.
01:54:41.000If you're trying to make a lot of money, you can make a study where you can take a dosage that's preposterous and give it to a group of people, and this fucks them up.
01:54:50.000And then you you have a great base of saying this is a dangerous drug.
01:56:39.000I don't know how you would find out I don't know anything about having another woman with the exact same body take Tylenol and not have a problem and one to take to nothing and that's the thing I asked you about.
01:56:49.000Remember the meat thing where I talked to this guy who who said that right.
01:58:27.000Well, you know, I I actually, as I get older, I think um how you think and what you actually hold in your mind and your heart, even if you try to keep it a secret.
01:58:38.000It comes out it it will always come out.
01:59:37.000But it's just addicted to these arguments that people have constantly every day, calling people assholes and losers, and you're just carrying around all that bullshit with you all day.
02:00:51.000And you know, in his case, it was very personal because Terrence was talking about mathematics and physics and it was really important for him.
02:00:59.000Because like you know, we know Eric very well.
02:01:39.000And so I get that there's a there's a currency in criticizing people.
02:01:44.000Like you can get clickbait headlines and clickbait videos, but that all comes at a cost too, because I'm never gonna really respect you.
02:01:52.000Because I'm gonna think that w what you're doing when you're doing that kind of stuff is and I get it, it's because if it's a business, you're doing it on YouTube, it's the best way to get clicks.
02:02:00.000But you this this just so gross going out of the way to attack people, it's not smart.
02:02:06.000No because you're gonna be that guy forever.
02:02:08.000And then one day you're like fifty or sixty, and you've built your whole brand on being a cunt.
02:02:15.000But also that same critical out that same critic comebacks to you.
02:02:18.000It comes it turns around and comes back at you.
02:02:20.000Oh, it's when you try to do something, because being good at anything is very hard.
02:02:25.000Like I got I'm fucking dropping my special and I gotta write a whole new I've been writing all new shit.
02:03:01.000But it doesn't come out of the box perfect, and the only way to ever develop it is you have to have the courage to trot these ideas out and try to find where the funny is in them.
02:03:10.000And sometimes the funny isn't there, and you think it is, and you go looking around, you go, All right, folks, and no other way.
02:03:20.000But you know I did an interview on a radio thing, and uh this fucking guy who was hit he had just started doing stand-up was criticizing the ha quote unquote that right wing hack comedian named Jim Brewer.
02:03:33.000And I went, I turned that interview, I was like, are you calling Jim Fucking Brewer a hack?
02:03:40.000Do you know how funny that motherfucker is?
02:05:18.000Mark, when he first started when he was just first coming up, was friends at Mitch Hedberg, and then Mitch Hedberg hit, and he couldn't be friends with him anymore.
02:05:46.000Like I've had ups and downs with Mark.
02:05:47.000I've gone through this with him like three or four different times.
02:05:50.000where we, he gets upset at me, and then we talk, and then are we good?
02:05:57.000He likes to talk shit about you, and then you confront him and he says, You're right.
02:06:01.000And with me, my my relationship with him was really complicated because when I was an open micer, I was twenty one years old, and I was just starting out.
02:06:09.000Mark gave me a compliment once that really helped me.
02:06:12.000He came up to me and he said, Hey man, you're really funny.
02:06:14.000He's just Keep doing what you're doing.
02:06:15.000Don't let don't listen to anybody else.
02:10:02.000He likes to pretend that I'm like a mean job.
02:10:04.000But that's what I'm saying is that you've got to like, as an adult, after a while, you have to come to terms with whatever emotional reaction you have to, whatever this avatar is that you've put all this stuff on, which we all do.
02:10:14.000I think you've got to take your tele that after a while, you gotta go, hey, this is where I gotta let go of all that stuff, and I gotta take the person at face value.
02:10:21.000Yeah, but this is a you're talking about introspection.
02:10:34.000Like one of the things he lied about, he's he did a podcast with um uh Howie Mandel, and Howie Mandel asked him uh if he had problems with comedians.
02:10:42.000Like, no, I don't have any problems with any comedians.
02:10:44.000I've never had any problems with comedians.
02:10:46.000He's had a problem with every single comedian that's more successful than him.
02:10:50.000Bill Burr, Louis CK, Dave Chappelle, me, Tony Hinchcliffe, everybody that passes him, all of a sudden he and he talks about them on stage, and the Theo thing really drove me nuts because that sent Theo into a real spiral.
02:11:05.000Well, Theo went into a spiral, and that was a big part of him getting attacked was Maron talking about him on a special, saying that he'd have Hitler on his podcast.
02:11:56.000Like the conversations that he has are fine.
02:11:59.000But the beginning of the podcast is he's like self-indulgent rants about life and him doing things.
02:12:06.000And there's a thread dedicated on like Reddit where people fast forward to the time, like they give you the time stamp of when he's done ranting, so you can just get to the interview.
02:12:23.000But it just that's the reality is it's like Theo passed him, like rocketed past him, and now he has like the number two or number three podcasts in the world.
02:12:34.000Sometimes there's a there's a thing that people do when you're older where you say that person passed me, and then you criticize the culture that got them past it.
02:12:42.000Well, this thing is mad, but the thing is that Marin never developed an audience for his comedy, and he always felt like he deserved it.
02:12:48.000And that's what drove him the most nuts.
02:14:14.000And there's there's Jim Brewer's audience, and then there's Nate Bargotzi's audience, and there's Kevin Hart's audience, and there are everyone can you can get an audience.
02:14:23.000Like, you just have to put your work out there, and people resonate with your work.
02:15:24.000It's he's upset that all these people are getting attention.
02:15:26.000He's upset that all these it's very childish.
02:15:29.000And but he'll make it look like you know, he's the righteous side, the left, the progressives, he's the voice now, and he's gonna fucking you know, we got work to do, we gotta get these fascists out.
02:15:40.000No, it's it's but it's about him getting more attention.
02:15:43.000That's what it ultimately is all about.
02:15:54.000Right, but he wants to pretend that everybody else is bad and mean, and that this is this is like the reason why they have they're successful.
02:16:34.000But hold on, hormone blockers, that's not what they originally were used for.
02:16:39.000We know that like medicine can be used off label, right?
02:16:42.000And the idea of that initially was there was only like you know, a hundred different kinds of medicine, and you could figure out what would work and you could prescribe it for different things and off-label uses.
02:16:53.000The stuff that they're using, what they're calling puberty blockers, is the same drugs that they used to give to sex offenders for chemical castration.
02:17:12.000No, you go through you're gonna have a micro penis for the rest of your life, you're gonna have fucked up vocal cords, you're getting your your whole body is both.
02:18:48.000No, it's look, there's there's there's a balance to be had here, and there's a conversation to be had, but it's not in straw man arguments where you're saying that the only reason why people want is because they wanted to say this these comedians are just voting for fascism.
02:19:02.000No, I want this is why with my podcast, like I was I got to a point where I was having I was interviewing people, right?
02:19:09.000But the problem is I I don't I after a while for me, like there are too many people like you who do it really well.
02:19:15.000I would love, and I don't know if I'll be able to I think I talked to you about this, just to get people on two different sides to have a discussion.
02:19:23.000Just to find out, like just to kind of get to a so in other words, can we just try to approach this as solving a problem?
02:19:30.000We don't like to be the right two people.
02:21:09.000Because they did do exactly what was in that memo.
02:21:13.000I mean, they did overthrow every single country except for Iran.
02:21:17.000No, no, no, because he said, in fact, we did it with a number of other regimes, but there were I think three or four countries in that memo that they we haven't done that with.
02:21:24.000But they've been going after those specifically.
02:21:30.000But it's also yeah, and it is interesting that that is a strategy that the United States employs and that we do topple regimes and that we you know we do.
02:22:45.000Your privacy is one of the things that they were saying when it came to the abortion um debate that I thought was very interesting that I hadn't considered, is that they were um they were talking about prosecuting women that left a state where abortion was illegal and went to a state where it was legal and then returned.
02:23:34.000When you define abortion as murder, okay, then that is there is a there are strong legal grounds to establish that precedent.
02:23:44.000Sure, but you're also not supposed to be prosecuting, say if you're in Texas, you're not supposed to be prosecuting someone for the actions that they did in Oklahoma.
02:23:57.000So you you you you certainly were a republic, But and and so there are statutory laws, but they do not supersede in many cases uh federal law if it's something like murder.
02:24:08.000The problem is you're getting giving men the ability to track women's behavior in a way that I think it's hugely problem for that.
02:24:15.000Also, when there's a significant portion of this country that believes women should have access to abortions.
02:24:20.000And for you to say no, and it's their body, that that gets slippery.
02:24:25.000This is where this is where we get into it gets real slippery, and that gets into the more of a libertarian area, you know, where I think that's probably where I land a lot of the time.
02:24:36.000Now you're sounding like a leftist slash libertarian.
02:24:42.000When it comes to live and let live and accepting people for whatever it is, whether they're gay or whether from another country, like I'm open to everybody.
02:24:51.000Be nice and be cool and try to do a good thing with your life and enjoy yourself and not harm others.
02:24:57.000When you're running when you're still when you're so when you have policy, the problem is we get into the the weeds, technology creates problems that are major because typically I think with Roe v.
02:25:08.000Wade, the abortion was legal until the the fetus was viable on its own.
02:25:13.000So you what once the fetus was if if it could be the cutoff thing was without the mother, if it needs the mother, then it's still um you can still have a part of the mother.
02:25:47.000So the the people who believe in abortion or a woman's right to choose have to redefine what it is.
02:25:53.000And the only way to get around that is to say that that a woman can make that choice until the baby's born.
02:26:00.000And that's where you get politicians to say, you believe that babies should be killed up until they're about uh up until the woman's crowning.
02:26:06.000And then we get into this whole thing and then you know Yeah.
02:26:09.000And well, it it also is a uniquely human issue in that it does get blurry.
02:26:15.000Like as much as I say I'm one hundred percent I think a woman it's her choice, especially at early stages.
02:26:24.000You know, if someone is pregnant for four weeks, that's your choice.
02:26:27.000I don't I don't think anybody should be stepping in.
02:26:30.000However, everybody with any kind of a heart or a m everybody loves babies.
02:26:36.000When you get to like eight months or seven months, you're like, Whoa, that is a full-on baby inside of you.
02:26:42.000Which is cr and then when you see what they do when they do have late-term abortions, you could see the body parts.
02:26:48.000Like I don't know if you've ever seen it.
02:26:51.000I I've watched some of those videos and and then you've also seen people who were working for planned parenthood who are c callously talking about sorting through these parts.
02:27:03.000I guess you have to be that way, don't you?
02:27:05.000I mean, there's no other way to do it.
02:27:07.000I guess, but there's some of those Project Veritas type videos where, you know, people are— Behind the scenes men.
02:27:15.000But they don't think there's anything wrong because they think that abortion should be legal and abortion is a leftist position and a woman should have a right to choose.
02:27:24.000So in their mind, this is what's happening, and like here's a leg and here's a heart and here's a head.
02:27:29.000This is where ideology you have to be super inflexible, right?
02:27:32.000You gotta be like, well, this is what I believe no matter what.
02:27:37.000You can't be if you're not grossed out by a little baby hand that just got sucked out of a woman's vagina with a vacuum cleaner, that's kind of crazy.
02:27:44.000Bob Geldoff said something that was so interesting.
02:27:47.000You know, remember Bob Geldoff showed it.
02:27:52.000And you can get into a really you can get into a debate about Gaza.
02:27:54.000I don't I leave that shit alone because I'm not gonna get into that because you you can talk about Israel turning into the surface of the moon.
02:28:01.000There's there's plenty of criticism in that direction.
02:28:03.000You can talk about what they did in October 7th and all that stuff.
02:28:08.000He said, Look, there are a lot of kids who are starving or at least malnourished or really hungry, whatever it might be.
02:28:15.000And he said something, he asked a question I thought was great.
02:28:20.000But hey, who are we as human beings, as people, who are we?
02:28:24.000Like there's gotta be something we can do.
02:28:26.000There's gotta be something we can do, whether it's Israel, whether it's Palestinians, whatever, to to at least get that kid fed, at least to stop that kind of stuff.
02:28:35.000And that's it that I think sometimes there's a question to ask.
02:28:38.000You gotta throw all your ideology out the window.
02:28:40.000You gotta throw all your politics out the window and go, hold on.
02:28:42.000I'm uh this is called the stop everything button.
02:28:59.000Yeah, that's what the Vedanta always says that the the the seeing nothing, no other is is the way, ultimately realizing that you and that person, back to what you said, you'd be that person too under those circumstances.
02:29:13.000But then there's a cold hard reality of environment and culture, right?
02:29:17.000If you if you grow up in this radical genre, there are good ideas and bad ideas.
02:30:04.000Like and th this is my thought on that.
02:30:06.000It's like I wonder if that's what life was like all over the world thousands and thousands of years ago.
02:30:12.000I wonder if like kind, nice people were like an aberration.
02:30:17.000And if most of the war like w we're seeing in places like Afghanistan, these warlord driven mountain communities of people that are like I wonder if that's like how most of human history was.
02:30:31.000You had that, Daryl Cooper said the greatest thing about the Middle East conflict.
02:30:35.000He said it's a part of the world where people have to give up who they could be for who they have to be.
02:30:39.000And that's a beautiful way to put it because that is that is that is what m we are so man, as Americans, especially a certain kind of American, we're so lucky because I get to be who I get to try to be who I wanna be.
02:30:54.000I don't have to settle for who I have to be.
02:30:57.000I don't have to watch my kids go hungry and and do some bad shit because if my kids couldn't get water, I'm gonna be slitting some throats.
02:31:11.000And you also never had to like those people never get to stray from that path because they're they're in that path from the time they're a child, and if they make it to be thirty and they're living like that, it's a miracle.
02:31:21.000If you lose an election in a lot of countries, you die.
02:31:24.000You don't live to another see another day.
02:31:40.000Because drugs are illegal, and so only the uh outlaws sell the drugs, and we are the ones who buy it, and so we prop up this fucking illegal market that's right next door.
02:31:49.000We're the biggest market in the world for that stuff.
02:31:56.000And then you're gonna have drug addiction and you're gonna have all sorts of problems and people are gonna overdose, they probably wouldn't, but is that better than like allowing people to overdose accidentally on fentanyl because they just wanted a bump of coke?
02:32:08.000You can stack bodies, that's one way to do it.
02:32:10.000You can actually, like he was saying, treat it like an insurgency and stack bodies like we did with ISIS.
02:32:22.000Well that we the Trump said, I'll tell you what, you guys uh let's take the gloves off and just go to work, and we stacked bodies, and that kind of went away in six months.
02:32:32.000It is if you want to get really ugly, there's one aspect of it, you can do that, and I believe that's possible, and the reason I believe it's possible for some countries like the United States is because we've done it, and that'd be pretty ugly.
02:32:44.000Or the other thing is to maybe f look into legalizing or taking the profit out of that kind of behavior.
02:32:54.000The third thing you could do, you could do, is you could actually go to the cartels, which is Controversial, but I know it was on the table.
02:33:02.000And cut a deal, which is tell you what, guys, tell us where all the fentanyl is, all the fentanyl factories in this country and in Mexico.
02:33:09.000No fentanyl, no human trafficking, but you can sell let's say marijuana and cocaine.
02:34:45.000And he's a very interesting guy when he talks about it.
02:34:47.000You're like, you're getting the perspective of a very educated person who was a uh complete clean, sober person until he became a clinical researcher.
02:35:00.000And then as he's researching these drugs and doing like actual scholarly work, he realizes like, oh, they don't this is not real at all.
02:35:30.000Like let if let people do they're gonna do it anyway for the right.
02:35:34.000They're gonna smoke weed, they're gonna do blow, they're gonna do that shit.
02:35:36.000But it was would it this is my position.
02:35:39.000I think yes, but if they did make it legal where you could go to CVS and buy heroin or go to CVS and buy cocaine, you're gonna get a lot more people that buy it and try it because it's now legal.
02:35:50.000You know, so you get a lot more drug use initially.
02:37:04.000But most of us would like most of us are busy, right?
02:37:07.000Like you're gonna have people that are gonna fuck their lives up, just like they do with alcohol and everything else, and cocaine and crack.
02:37:12.000But most of us, even if it's exactly but if it's around we'll navigate it exactly how we're gonna navigate social media.
02:37:54.000It's kind of like squeezing a balloon.
02:37:56.000The gas is the the air is just gonna go in another part of the balloon.
02:37:58.000As I get older, I'm like, I don't know, man.
02:38:00.000There might be a much easier way to do this shit.
02:38:02.000Well, personal responsibility is huge, but also counseling, like if you're gonna allow drugs, that you there would have to be a whole support system set up to help people with addiction.
02:39:11.000The problem is when you take away somebody's addiction, like alcohol then they still have an edge for something.
02:39:15.000But no, but it's also like your whole all the fun of your life.
02:39:19.000Do you know that when you get a when people get gastric bypass um and and they they stop eating, uh suicides go up for them?
02:39:26.000Because eating was how they fucking dealt with all their problems.
02:39:30.000Like so you're taking again now you're you're you're taking away the addiction, but you you're not getting to the source because you gotta be able to replace that shit.
02:39:39.000You gotta turn them into triathlete like that old lady.
02:42:48.000But it's just this walled garden thing when people are on the outside, and they're like there wasn't there hasn't been a scene here before.
02:43:32.000Because we made it so that first of all, you've got a club that has two days of open mic nights, and you've got a real guy in Adam Eagot, who's a real talent coordinator that really helps the development of comedians, and he does it really like consciously takes it very seriously.
02:43:46.000Takes it very seriously, and he's like, he really loves comedy, and he really wants to help people, and he gives great advice and he's gonna be able to do that.
02:44:53.000And you're gonna have people that have better experiences there and worse experiences there.
02:44:57.000One of the things, like someone was saying that she went to a comedy show and Justin Martindale went on, and then the next guy who came on started saying all these slurs about him.
02:46:31.000And and including because of Tony, there are a lot of people who are who are uh disabled who would never have a fucking stage.
02:46:39.000But because they did some shit on Kill Tony, Tony, like, you know, facilitated the fact that they have a place to perform every single fucking night and a community.
02:46:49.000And then by the way, they've earned it.
02:47:06.000Dude, that dude is he'll just come up with shit out of him and Peyton Runny will fucking and Danny Martinella, they'll hit you with shit, and we're just like, holy fucking.
02:47:15.000And that's Wednesday night at what time?