The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

00:00:11.000 So what's happening?

00:00:13.000 It's all good, man.

00:00:14.000 When are you bailing out of your country?

00:00:15.000 I'm sinking.

00:00:16.000 That is the fucking Titanic, and you were one of the last deckhands.

00:00:20.000 We're going to stand and fight, man.

00:00:23.000 Are you really?

00:00:24.000 Yeah.

00:00:24.000 Good luck.

00:00:25.000 No, we are.

00:00:26.000 Good luck.

00:00:26.000 We're the guys.

00:00:27.000 As long as it's still okay.

00:00:28.000 They're going to arrest you for saying stand and fight.

00:00:31.000 It's a sitement of violence.

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:34.000 No, but it's got, it's interesting.

00:00:34.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 I mean, obviously you had Graham Linehan on the show.

00:00:37.000 We're going to have him on as well soon to talk about it.

00:00:40.000 But they're not going to prosecute him.

00:00:44.000 And not only that, they also said they are not going to investigate non-crime hate incidents anymore.

00:00:51.000 Do you know what those are?

00:00:52.000 Interesting.

00:00:53.000 It's basically when you've committed no crime, but you're still hateful.

00:00:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:58.000 But that's also very subjective, too.

00:01:00.000 Yeah, of course.

00:01:01.000 Of course.

00:01:01.000 So they're not going to investigate them anymore.

00:01:04.000 But they're still going to keep track of them, is what they said.

00:01:07.000 Oh, keep track.

00:01:09.000 We've got an eye on it.

00:01:10.000 We're going to make a record of it, but won't investigate.

00:01:13.000 So are they going to stop arresting people for social media posts then?

00:01:17.000 What do you think, Joe?

00:01:18.000 I think, no.

00:01:19.000 That's profitable.

00:01:20.000 That's probably a nice fine, right?

00:01:21.000 What do you get?

00:01:22.000 You get a fine?

00:01:23.000 I don't think it's about that.

00:01:25.000 I think, you know, during the Uber woke era, they put all these laws on the statute book, and the police have to enforce the law, right?

00:01:32.000 Because if a bunch of people complain and then they don't investigate the people that have been reported, they get in trouble.

00:01:32.000 They have no choice.

00:01:40.000 Of course.

00:01:42.000 You know, police officers, right?

00:01:44.000 Police officers don't like enforcing these dumb laws.

00:01:47.000 Of course.

00:01:48.000 It's put on them from above.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, I just didn't know that all that stuff was put in place in your country during the woke era.

00:01:55.000 And the heavy rope.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, it was.

00:01:56.000 It's almost like a fever dream.

00:01:58.000 You know, when you really go back and pay attention to some of the more insane woke stuff from just five years ago.

00:02:05.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 Like everyone was losing their fucking mind.

00:02:08.000 But like if I was an elite, if I was one of those lizard people running the world, I'd have been like, well, looky here. 0.91

00:02:15.000 This is really interesting.

00:02:17.000 Like this was just a cold.

00:02:18.000 It was just a cold and a little bit of social media input.

00:02:22.000 And we got these people behaving in a way that they'd never behaved before.

00:02:26.000 Admitting to things they'd never admitted to before, adhering to rules that never existed before.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, I think the thing that I found the most, the worst bit about it, wasn't necessarily the behavior of the elites.

00:02:38.000 It was the behavior of ordinary people during that time.

00:02:41.000 The fact that your neighbor was so willing to snitch on you because you went for a second walk.

00:02:46.000 Well, that's why I was interested in it as a lizard person.

00:02:48.000 If I was a lizard person elite, I'd be like, look, these people are dumb. 0.99

00:02:51.000 Like, this is really easy to manipulate.

00:02:53.000 Especially, I was just talking to a buddy of mine who's fleeing LA, and he was like, I can't anymore.

00:02:59.000 I just fucking, I hung in there.

00:02:59.000 I tried.

00:03:01.000 I can't do it anymore.

00:03:02.000 He's like, everybody went crazy.

00:03:05.000 It's like, there's something that happened because of the pandemic and the Black Lives Matter protests and the riots and all the cameras. 0.74

00:03:11.000 It just changed.

00:03:12.000 Like, whatever the temperature of society was, is like it hit societal global warming where it's like, it's time to investigate Greenland.

00:03:20.000 It's time to move north.

00:03:22.000 Like, this is a bad climate now.

00:03:24.000 This sucks.

00:03:25.000 And LA is a perfect example of this because we talk about this all the time.

00:03:28.000 You get out of the airport at LAX, you feel that LA sun on your skin, and you just go, this is paradise.

00:03:36.000 And then you walk out and you see it's paradise.

00:03:39.000 And they fucked it up so bad that people will literally pack up and leave paradise.

00:03:45.000 What Donald Trump should do is when he leaves the office, run for governor of California and just take over California and fix it.

00:03:57.000 It would be hilarious if he did.

00:03:59.000 It would be one of the funniest things of all time if an 82-year-old man steps into the office of governor of California.

00:04:06.000 We're going to fix everything.

00:04:07.000 You've got a problem with water.

00:04:08.000 I know how to get the water.

00:04:11.000 It would be fucking hilarious.

00:04:12.000 But it's almost like, so there's a very old joke about Venezuela where God was creating Venezuela and he was like, you know what I'm going to do?

00:04:20.000 I'm going to make sure they have diamonds, they have gold, they have desert, but they also have jungle, they have beautiful beaches, it's going to be rich in oil and the whole, and then the entire world goes hey that's unfair like they've got to have something bad and god goes yeah you know what you're right let's give them the venezuelans and that's almost like that with california you're like california's too perfect you know what i mean it's got everything you need right so what are you gonna do you've got to give them something fucked up and it's just these crazy people who believe in these stupid ideas but

00:04:50.000 It wasn't for a long time.

00:04:51.000 I mean, you got to realize Arnold was the governor of California, right?

00:04:55.000 And then, you know, Ronald Reagan's from California.

00:04:58.000 He was the governor of California at one time, too.

00:05:00.000 It wasn't always that nuts.

00:05:03.000 And when you went back to when I went there in the 1990s, it was much more moderate politically.

00:05:10.000 Like, you know, people were definitely left-leaning, but it wasn't a focus.

00:05:15.000 It wasn't a thing that was discussed all the time.

00:05:18.000 It just wasn't.

00:05:20.000 And I remember working with many, like, older actors who were openly conservative.

00:05:25.000 No one cared.

00:05:26.000 It was just like, oh, this is Bob.

00:05:28.000 You know, he's really into Bob Dole.

00:05:30.000 Like, you know, it wasn't unusual.

00:05:33.000 Something happened around the Obama administration.

00:05:37.000 Something happened specifically around his second term that really changed everything.

00:05:43.000 And if you look at, like, internet, like, searches and use of certain words, especially racism.

00:05:50.000 Yes.

00:05:51.000 It flies.

00:05:52.000 It just hits a giant.

00:05:53.000 2014.

00:05:54.000 2014.

00:05:54.000 Yes.

00:05:55.000 Right around then.

00:05:56.000 Yeah.

00:05:56.000 And it's not just in America.

00:05:56.000 Yeah.

00:05:57.000 It's literally everywhere in the world.

00:06:00.000 That's why I think it's social media that's caused that.

00:06:02.000 A hundred percent.

00:06:03.000 It's social media.

00:06:04.000 And it's it's there's a there's a bunch of factors.

00:06:08.000 But the problem is now that the genie's out of the bottle, they know how easy we are to manipulate.

00:06:13.000 And I don't think people are learning.

00:06:15.000 They're tick tocking all day long.

00:06:17.000 And they're just like getting blasted with all this negativity and strife and global conflict and Colombian assassinations.

00:06:24.000 That's what I get.

00:06:26.000 A lot of these assassinations in, like, cafes.

00:06:29.000 Someone pulls up on a scooter.

00:06:30.000 Bang, bang. 0.99

00:06:31.000 And they drive off and everybody screams.

00:06:33.000 I've seen a hundred and thousand of those.

00:06:34.000 I've seen, you know, it's like everybody's like completely ramped up.

00:06:38.000 And at the same time, you've got people in the UK getting arrested for Facebook posts about immigration.

00:06:45.000 So I think part of the problem is, is that people, when they go on these posts, they're not looking for to learn something.

00:06:52.000 As you just said, what they actually want is an emotional reaction.

00:06:55.000 They want to feel something.

00:06:57.000 If you live in a society where it's comparatively the easiest it's ever been and your life is boring because all you do is get up, you go to work, you have food, you commute, you come back.

00:06:57.000 Right.

00:07:07.000 It's essentially a treadmill where you don't feel any of the ups and downs of emotion.

00:07:12.000 Then what way would you get that?

00:07:12.000 Right.

00:07:14.000 But by going online and seeing something fucking awful happening, you feel terror, you feel sadness, you feel rage.

00:07:20.000 It's most basic.

00:07:22.000 You feel alive.

00:07:23.000 Well, it's also just that's what you're going to watch.

00:07:27.000 And so you're getting sucked into it just because of the algorithm, which is crazy.

00:07:31.000 No one ever considered algorithms before.

00:07:33.000 We considered access to information, but we didn't consider that information we curated to hold your attention span.

00:07:40.000 And all these factors have not been studied well.

00:07:42.000 There's been a few guys like Jonathan Haight writing about it, a few scholars that are really attempting to say, hey, what's the sociological and what is the long-term consequences of this happening also for children?

00:07:55.000 These are the first children in human history growing up on social media.

00:07:59.000 Never been done before.

00:08:00.000 We don't know what that's like.

00:08:02.000 Like what is it going to change in terms of empathy, in terms of hostility, acceptance of violence, which is a completely brand new thing on the left.

00:08:10.000 Acceptance and celebration of gun violence.

00:08:12.000 Never happened before when I was a kid.

00:08:14.000 It never existed.

00:08:15.000 No one from the left ever celebrated anybody getting assassinated ever.

00:08:19.000 It just wasn't a thing.

00:08:20.000 It's so crazy, man.

00:08:21.000 And you're talking about like language as well.

00:08:24.000 Like we have this, we have the leader of the Green Party in the UK, new guys coming through.

00:08:28.000 He's very popular with people on the left, on that side of the left anyway.

00:08:32.000 And it's been what?

00:08:34.000 How long has it been since Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

00:08:36.000 Like a month?

00:08:37.000 Yeah.

00:08:38.000 And he's running around calling like not far right people, just like Nigel Farage is a Nazi, is a fascist.

00:08:38.000 Right.

00:08:45.000 And you're going, and we've discussed this so many times with you, man.

00:08:50.000 It's like when you call people.

00:08:51.000 people these words like if you and i and francis thought the nazis were here to take over we'd all fight them so what do you expect people to do when you put you're putting the target on people's backs you are 100 and you're doing it in just for political persuasion power.

00:09:09.000 That's really all it is.

00:09:11.000 It's like no one really believes Nigel Farage is a fucking Nazi.

00:09:14.000 He's kind of goofy, but he's not a Nazi.

00:09:18.000 What is a Nazi then?

00:09:19.000 And here's the real problem.

00:09:21.000 This is what nobody wants to admit.

00:09:24.000 If you're in Nazi Germany and you're a 20-year-old man and you're German and everyone in your town is a Nazi, you're probably a Nazi too. 0.74

00:09:36.000 Or you're a Jew and you're running. 0.93

00:09:39.000 You're running from these motherfuckers. 0.56

00:09:41.000 So either you're a Jew or you're a Nazi.

00:09:43.000 You're either Jewish or you're a fucking evil part of history that everybody refers to as the worst people of all time. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Absolutely.

00:09:52.000 And, you know, we're talking about...

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 But it's human nature.

00:09:56.000 Sorry, Francis.

00:09:57.000 We interviewed David Buss yesterday.

00:09:58.000 You've had him on, right?

00:09:59.000 Evolutionary.

00:09:59.000 Yes.

00:10:00.000 I mean, this is one of the things he talked about is like within us is the ability, we have good adaptations and we have evil adaptations.

00:10:08.000 And if you put people in a certain context and those adaptations are in all of us.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, Donner Party.

00:10:16.000 People eat people.

00:10:17.000 You get down to I might die or I might eat somebody.

00:10:21.000 You eat people.

00:10:22.000 The guy's already dead.

00:10:23.000 We should just eat him.

00:10:24.000 And then you all sit around and go, oh my God, are we really going to eat a person?

00:10:27.000 And then you're eating a person like everybody does.

00:10:30.000 They all have.

00:10:30.000 Very few people just starve to death when you could just eat a person who's already dead.

00:10:35.000 And it's, you know, Zach Polanski, what he does is to me, the Green Party guy is completely wrong.

00:10:42.000 But then there are people on the far left.

00:10:44.000 So there's a member of parliament called Zara Sultana. 1.00

00:10:48.000 Yes, that is her real name.

00:10:49.000 Zara Sultana.

00:10:50.000 And yeah.

00:10:52.000 She sounds like a boss in a video game. 0.96

00:10:54.000 Yeah.

00:10:55.000 Well, what's really interesting is she put a clip on her social media where she goes, and she set up this new far-left political party.

00:11:02.000 And she says, we've got to fight fascists in parliament.

00:11:05.000 We've got to fight them in the ballot box.

00:11:07.000 And you're going, all right, look, I don't like the rhetoric.

00:11:10.000 And then she says something even more interesting.

00:11:12.000 And we've got to fight them in the streets.

00:11:15.000 Now you think to yourself, right, if you classify Nigel Farage and the people who vote reform in the UK, which may well win the general election, which may well be the biggest political party and already represents a sizable portion of the UK, you're effectively advocating violence.

00:11:35.000 And it's incitement to violence as far as I'm concerned.

00:11:38.000 But because she's on the far left, she's deemed to be a good person, that's somehow okay.

00:11:43.000 Whereas if Nigel said something like that along those lines, you know that people would be like, this is a fascist, this is evil, this is disgusting, you shouldn't say that.

00:11:51.000 You're also weaponizing mental illness.

00:11:54.000 Because one of the things that we know now very clearly because of all these YouTube videos, all these people that go to these protests and start interviewing folks, some of these people are clearly not well.

00:12:05.000 And this is the thing they've attached themselves to.

00:12:07.000 This is their tribe.

00:12:09.000 This is whether it's No Kings or Fuck ICE or whatever, whatever the tribe is, this is their tribe now.

00:12:15.000 And they're schizophrenic or they're, you know, fill in the blank, whatever the mental illness is.

00:12:20.000 And you're weaponizing them by calling these people who just differ with you politically or more conservative.

00:12:26.000 You're calling these people the enemy of humanity.

00:12:30.000 It's very scary.

00:12:31.000 And, you know, I'm one of the people that has gone along to a lot of protests.

00:12:35.000 There's a lot of wild people there.

00:12:37.000 Oh, yeah, you've done some great interviews at those protests.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, it's just when they're confronted with a person who's actually asking them questions, it's remarkable how few people know why they're there.

00:12:48.000 They don't know.

00:12:49.000 Like when you get into specifics, this guy did this thing today where he was talking with people at the No Kings Pro.

00:12:56.000 I'm going to send it to you, Jamie, because it's it's it's you know, I mean, I understand why they responded the way they did.

00:13:03.000 But but it is absolutely fascinating to watch because it just shows you what.

00:13:10.000 It just shows you how much these things that people get involved in aren't bait.

00:13:17.000 Oh, this ain't it.

00:13:19.000 Hold on.

00:13:21.000 Shit, I hate when I do this.

00:13:23.000 I thought I saved it.

00:13:25.000 I might not have saved it.

00:13:27.000 Damn.

00:13:27.000 Oh, I did save it.

00:13:29.000 No, I might not have.

00:13:30.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:31.000 Sorry.

00:13:33.000 No, I don't think I did.

00:13:34.000 So anyway, this guy was interviewing people and he was like, this is about human rights.

00:13:41.000 And they're like, yeah.

00:13:42.000 Like, are you guys fully in supportive of human rights?

00:13:45.000 See if you can find this guy.

00:13:46.000 He's got a beard and long hair.

00:13:48.000 And they're like, yes, absolutely.

00:13:51.000 He goes, what about for fetuses in the womb?

00:13:55.000 Everybody walks away.

00:13:57.000 Everybody was like.

00:13:59.000 That's unhuman or that.

00:14:00.000 I don't know.

00:14:01.000 And he does it to everybody.

00:14:02.000 And he looks like a hippie, you know?

00:14:04.000 So he's like, so you guys are for sure for human rights.

00:14:08.000 And like, oh, yeah, human rights is why we're here.

00:14:11.000 You believe in human rights for everyone?

00:14:12.000 Yes.

00:14:12.000 What about unborn babies?

00:14:14.000 And you see this look on the, Yeah.

00:14:20.000 Like some evil.

00:14:21.000 They are under a spell.

00:14:22.000 Yes, this is the guy.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, this is him.

00:14:24.000 This is him.

00:14:24.000 Check this out.

00:14:25.000 This is wonderful.

00:14:26.000 I love when people do things like this.

00:14:29.000 Can you refresh?

00:14:30.000 Yeah, yeah, just yeah.

00:14:34.000 We're in favor of them now.

00:14:36.000 For everybody?

00:14:37.000 Yes.

00:14:38.000 How about the unborn?

00:14:43.000 Yes, of course.

00:14:44.000 For everybody?

00:14:45.000 Yes, of course.

00:14:46.000 Even people in the womb?

00:14:49.000 Well, it all depends on if they're actually a baby or not.

00:14:56.000 Science says they are.

00:14:59.000 Well, it depends on what science you're talking about.

00:15:02.000 96% of all biologists, according to the NIH.

00:15:05.000 Thoughts on human rights?

00:15:08.000 I'm all for them.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, me too.

00:15:10.000 Especially now, right?

00:15:11.000 For everybody, right?

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Even the unborn?

00:15:16.000 An unborn what?

00:15:18.000 Unborn in the womb.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, no rights for them.

00:15:21.000 Thoughts on human rights?

00:15:23.000 That's what we're here for.

00:15:25.000 For everybody, right?

00:15:26.000 Yes.

00:15:27.000 Including the unborn? 0.55

00:15:28.000 No.

00:15:29.000 Everyone has autonomy to not kill it, right?

00:15:32.000 He's like, nothing.

00:15:36.000 Stop taking rights away.

00:15:38.000 Get out of here.

00:15:38.000 Nazi lives don't matter.

00:15:39.000 It says on that guy's shirt that's just screaming.

00:15:42.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 Nazi lives don't matter.

00:15:44.000 Give him some props.

00:15:44.000 Who is that guy?

00:15:46.000 I don't know.

00:15:47.000 What is the channel?

00:15:47.000 Here's the channel.

00:15:49.000 The survivors.us.

00:15:52.000 That might be on here.

00:15:54.000 That's him.

00:15:55.000 Jay.

00:15:56.000 Owl.

00:15:56.000 Good work.

00:15:57.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 R-O-W-L.

00:15:58.000 He only has 704 followers.

00:16:00.000 That's outrageous.

00:16:01.000 He's going to have a few more now.

00:16:02.000 He's going to have more now.

00:16:03.000 That was very fun.

00:16:04.000 I mean, look.

00:16:05.000 That guy's nodding along.

00:16:06.000 You can see he's like ready for the next yes.

00:16:08.000 No.

00:16:09.000 It's so weird.

00:16:11.000 That's such a good trick.

00:16:14.000 It's such a good trick.

00:16:15.000 But it's so weird.

00:16:17.000 It's so weird to watch.

00:16:18.000 This like ideological boundary.

00:16:21.000 Like, nope.

00:16:22.000 No nuance there.

00:16:23.000 No room for nuance.

00:16:24.000 And I don't remember if you played this when we were here last.

00:16:27.000 I went to a pro-Palestine protest, and there's a lot of people there.

00:16:30.000 Some of them are interesting and make good points.

00:16:32.000 But there was this group of six young kids.

00:16:34.000 And I walked up to them and they had the sign which says something, something socialist intifada, right?

00:16:40.000 And I was like, I don't know what socialist intifada means.

00:16:42.000 So I said, what does that mean?

00:16:44.000 And he was like, sorry, if I'm being honest, I picked up the sign over there.

00:16:49.000 And I went, do any of you know what intifada means?

00:16:52.000 And none of them, an intifada is an armed uprising.

00:16:55.000 That's what it means, right?

00:16:57.000 What do you think AI defines socialist intifada as?

00:17:01.000 Let's google it.

00:17:02.000 Let's find out.

00:17:03.000 It depends what AI you ask, John.

00:17:05.000 Well, let's ask Perplexity.

00:17:07.000 Perplexity is one of our sponsors.

00:17:08.000 Let's see what socialist intifada is.

00:17:10.000 How smooth was that?

00:17:12.000 But I really want to know what AI would say.

00:17:15.000 That sounds preposterous.

00:17:17.000 I want to know how AI would describe that.

00:17:19.000 Yeah, because sometimes Chat GPT is just, you ask them these questions and went, well, you know, it depends who you are.

00:17:26.000 Some people might see, yeah, some people might say that it's an uprising and others might see it as blah, blah, blah.

00:17:32.000 And you're like, how does perplexity define it, Jamie?

00:17:36.000 How do you spell it?

00:17:37.000 How do you define socialist intifada?

00:17:40.000 Int.

00:17:40.000 I got it.

00:17:41.000 I fada.

00:17:43.000 You see, we're in Britain.

00:17:44.000 We know how to spell that word.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, that word doesn't get chucked around a lot out here.

00:17:50.000 Every day we come out, it's the intifada.

00:17:52.000 It's like, of course it is.

00:17:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:54.000 People hear about it on Twitter and they go, I don't know what they're talking about.

00:17:57.000 They just scroll down.

00:17:59.000 You'll find Out, my friend.

00:17:59.000 Come to Britain.

00:18:03.000 What do we got?

00:18:08.000 Here it is.

00:18:09.000 Socialist Intifada combines two distinct ideas, the Arabic concept of Intifada, intifada, and the political ideology of socialism.

00:18:17.000 So, the meaning of intifada means shaking off or uprising in Arabic, and historically refers to popular resistance movements, particularly the Palestinian uprising against Israel occupation in 1987 and 2000.

00:18:30.000 It denotes collective rebellion, often led by the oppressed, using acts of protest, civil disobedience, and sometimes violence to resist injustice and occupation.

00:18:40.000 Interesting.

00:18:41.000 Also, often led by the oppressed is interesting.

00:18:45.000 It's an interesting addition, isn't it?

00:18:46.000 Yeah, it's an interesting addition.

00:18:48.000 Seems like that's human.

00:18:49.000 That's a human addition to this thing.

00:18:52.000 Socialist, socialist intifada, refers to the framing of the uprising not merely as a national liberation struggle, but as a class-based social revolution.

00:19:01.000 Marxists and socialist movements view such an intifada as a mass movement of workers and a youth using class struggle methods.

00:19:10.000 Send in the tsunami right now.

00:19:13.000 Send in the tsunami and make people live off fish that they have to catch for just a month, and all this shit goes away.

00:19:19.000 Just give me something.

00:19:20.000 Give me a small asteroid.

00:19:22.000 Give me something.

00:19:23.000 Give me something.

00:19:24.000 Give me an alien invasion.

00:19:26.000 Just give me something to fucking shake these kids by the collar and go, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:19:32.000 Just shut the fuck up and live your life.

00:19:34.000 You're not living your life.

00:19:35.000 And you're fucking up everybody else's lives.

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00:20:54.000 But you know, we also have to take responsibility for this: the adults, the people, the colleges, all those people need to take responsibility.

00:21:01.000 So I did, I went to a Palestine protest at UCLA last year in May time.

00:21:08.000 And there were, I thought it was run by the kids.

00:21:11.000 There were a lot of adults there who weren't students at UCLA.

00:21:15.000 And the kids, when they saw, some of the kids, when they saw what I was doing and I was doing interviews, they were like, he doesn't go to my college.

00:21:21.000 He doesn't go to my college.

00:21:23.000 He doesn't go to my college.

00:21:24.000 That dude's in his early 50s.

00:21:26.000 He's not on the faculty staff.

00:21:27.000 What is he doing here?

00:21:29.000 Yeah, they're being paid.

00:21:31.000 They're part of an NGO.

00:21:32.000 They're about of something.

00:21:33.000 They're part of something that's decided that this is a good idea to get these students to be engaged in these things.

00:21:41.000 And it's funded.

00:21:42.000 That's what's weird.

00:21:44.000 When I went to, we had protests that I'm sure you saw, which were about illegal immigration.

00:21:49.000 People would protest outside of like illegal immigrant hotels where they're kept.

00:21:54.000 And you had protests and counter-protests.

00:21:56.000 One thing I noticed is like all the pro-immigration protesters, they all have like professionally made signs.

00:22:03.000 It's all organized.

00:22:05.000 No misspellings.

00:22:06.000 No.

00:22:08.000 And when you dig deep, it's organized by all these very well-named organizations, you know, stand up to racism or whatever.

00:22:17.000 And then you dig deeper, and it's the revolutionary socialist Workers' Party or whatever behind it.

00:22:24.000 And this is all the stuff that Mike Benz covered.

00:22:26.000 A lot of that stuff's being funded by U.S. aid.

00:22:29.000 You know, rep Paulina Luna, you know, you had her on recently, Fascinating.

00:22:35.000 Just her telling me about the book of Enoch and alien stuff.

00:22:37.000 That's why I had her on. 0.96

00:22:38.000 She believes in angels.

00:22:39.000 She had like a diagram of angels that she put up on her Twitter.

00:22:42.000 I'm like, this lady went to nuts. 1.00

00:22:44.000 This might be fun.

00:22:45.000 But she posted something on her Twitter yesterday that shows all the people that donated to the No Kings protests and the number of corporations that donated and how much money is involved in it.

00:22:58.000 It's bananas.

00:23:00.000 If she's accurate, if what she's saying is true, it's like, this is crazy.

00:23:04.000 And the leverage you can get now is so easy.

00:23:06.000 You don't actually need a lot.

00:23:07.000 Like, for example, do you know a group called Extinction Rebellion?

00:23:10.000 Are you familiar with this?

00:23:11.000 So this is, we have this in Europe mostly.

00:23:11.000 No.

00:23:14.000 You guys don't have it here because you're like, we're going to burn all the gas we want, right?

00:23:18.000 But in Europe, obviously climate is like a massive issue, net zero, et cetera, which is, I think, a terrible idea.

00:23:24.000 But anyway, we have this movement called Extinction Rebellion.

00:23:27.000 I went to one of their protests.

00:23:29.000 There was literally 40 people there.

00:23:33.000 But if you have a protest with 40 people and you film it and you put it on social media, no one can know it's 40 people.

00:23:39.000 Right.

00:23:40.000 You just hear a lot of noise and see people and you go, oh my God, there's a protest outrage.

00:23:45.000 Yeah, people are outraged.

00:23:46.000 This is a big movement.

00:23:47.000 You know, the public really, and all this other stuff.

00:23:50.000 So the leverage you can get with a very, very small amount of money and a small number of young, impressionable people is powerful.

00:23:57.000 And then it goes on social media where it's stripped of the context and suddenly we all believe this thing is real when it's 40 people.

00:24:05.000 And then when you also have to take into account, if you go into a room with 100 people, at least one of them is a fucking idiot.

00:24:13.000 So to me, you're really generous.

00:24:16.000 So if you're in a country of 30 plus million people, we don't really know.

00:24:22.000 That's at least 3 million idiots.

00:24:27.000 So it's not hard to get 100,000 retards holding signs, walking down the street, and especially when they get older. 1.00

00:24:34.000 Because as people get older, they generally slow down and they don't think as well.

00:24:40.000 And if you look at a lot of these no-kings protests, what are you seeing? 0.54

00:24:43.000 You're seeing geriatric people holding signs.

00:24:46.000 So you've got old losers, not even just losers, but old losers. 0.82

00:24:51.000 Where this is the end of it, they're just looking for anything to get them out of the house.

00:24:54.000 They're watching the prices right.

00:24:55.000 They've already seen that one.

00:24:56.000 And they're like, let's just join in on the no with their, we shouldn't have a king.

00:25:01.000 And then next thing you know, they're out there with the sign.

00:25:03.000 Yeah.

00:25:03.000 And you can get 100,000 of those.

00:25:05.000 Easy.

00:25:08.000 Especially if you've got a lot of money and you're organizing and you get on Facebook and get involved in them groups and you use the bots and all the bots.

00:25:16.000 Like, this is important.

00:25:17.000 And we show up in mass and let him know he's not king.

00:25:21.000 And it's also as well, you know, what I find really fascinating from a psychological perspective is the use of chance in that you go to these protests, you watch, and it's all about chanting.

00:25:32.000 And you, and what's so powerful is a chance rhyme.

00:25:35.000 And, you know, it almost becomes musical and the crowd just gets whipped up in the fervor of the chance.

00:25:41.000 But you look at what the chance actually mean.

00:25:44.000 And most of the times they're utterly nonsensical.

00:25:47.000 Like there was one which was, we won't be free until Palestine is free. 0.76

00:25:52.000 And you go, what does that actually mean?

00:25:55.000 What does that actually, are you not free?

00:25:57.000 I think this is a, well, I mean, not in the UK, but I mean, here in the US, you're pretty free.

00:26:02.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:26:02.000 And the fact that you then, but they would argue that.

00:26:06.000 But then the moment you drill down, you actually go to them, like, what does that mean?

00:26:10.000 Like, socialist intifada.

00:26:12.000 The reality is they just can't, they can't explain because it's a chance.

00:26:16.000 One, you got to give them credit.

00:26:18.000 One thing about the geriatrics is they don't get violent. 0.98

00:26:20.000 Like, this no-kings protests.

00:26:22.000 Total can't.

00:26:24.000 Well, they kill each other every now and then.

00:26:26.000 But there was no violence.

00:26:28.000 And a lot of people, which is pretty good.

00:26:30.000 That's great.

00:26:31.000 That's a good sign.

00:26:32.000 And look, people in a free country should be able to protest.

00:26:32.000 That's great.

00:26:36.000 100%.

00:26:37.000 The problem is if you're organizing a protest and paying people to protest, and if there's documentation that the metadata from the cell phones are the same from protest to protest, and that they're traveling on buses that's paid for with tax dollars, like, hold on.

00:26:55.000 What are you really doing?

00:26:56.000 What are you really doing?

00:26:57.000 This isn't really an organic protest.

00:26:59.000 You Funneled money through an NGO, and now you're hiring people to show up and wave signs to give the illusion.

00:27:07.000 Look, this is what they did during the Kamala Harris campaign.

00:27:10.000 They filled up stadiums with people coming to see her.

00:27:13.000 And the same people went from stadium to stay.

00:27:16.000 It became a job.

00:27:18.000 It became a job, but it gave the illusion.

00:27:19.000 So that's deceptive.

00:27:21.000 That's deception.

00:27:22.000 And that should not be legal.

00:27:24.000 That should not be a legal thing to do.

00:27:26.000 You're engaging in propaganda.

00:27:28.000 You know, you're openly manipulating people's perspective.

00:27:34.000 You know, you're paying.

00:27:35.000 Those aren't audience members.

00:27:38.000 Those are customers.

00:27:39.000 You're paying them.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:41.000 And what is your take?

00:27:42.000 What is it that they want when they say no kings?

00:27:45.000 What do they want?

00:27:46.000 They think Donald Trump is behaving like a king.

00:27:48.000 How so?

00:27:49.000 Because, well, he ran on a platform and was elected and won every swing state and the popular vote.

00:27:56.000 And then once he got in, he did exactly what he said he was going to do, which is the king.

00:28:02.000 And then he let them protest, which is also what a king does.

00:28:06.000 No, he didn't send the troops to stop the protests.

00:28:09.000 In fact, he congratulated them on doing a great job.

00:28:12.000 And he said, I'm still your president.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:28:15.000 Tweet's fucking hilarious.

00:28:17.000 It's very funny.

00:28:18.000 It's a very fun.

00:28:19.000 Like, pull up the tweet that he made.

00:28:22.000 I guess it's not a tweet.

00:28:22.000 It's like, which I still say tweet.

00:28:24.000 I tried.

00:28:25.000 It's a trick.

00:28:27.000 I tried X for a while, and I can't say it.

00:28:29.000 I say Twitter.

00:28:30.000 It's still a tweet.

00:28:31.000 I might say X, but you tweeted.

00:28:33.000 That's right.

00:28:33.000 And if it's truth social, it's going to make its way to Twitter and then it's a tweet.

00:28:37.000 It's like, you can't retruth something.

00:28:40.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:28:42.000 You know, the thing that we have in this country, I don't know if you have it in this country as much, is just the way the policing is biased.

00:28:48.000 The way that they will arrest Graham Linehan for three relatively innocuous tweets, one of them was a joke, and they will arrest him the moment he lands on British soil.

00:28:58.000 Five police officers.

00:29:00.000 You get other people saying heinous things.

00:29:03.000 Or you get, like I said, the example, Zara Sultana saying, you know, we're going to fight them in the streets. 0.82

00:29:08.000 But that's fine.

00:29:09.000 Right.

00:29:10.000 And nothing comes from that.

00:29:11.000 It's ridiculous.

00:29:12.000 Well, no, there was a guy who was at a protest.

00:29:14.000 I'm looking at his.

00:29:15.000 I don't know which account it was on.

00:29:17.000 He was a member of a political party, I think.

00:29:20.000 You could probably find an image of it because it was posted everywhere.

00:29:23.000 There was a guy called, I think his name was Ricky Jones.

00:29:25.000 He said at a protest, we need to slit the throats of the far right. 0.99

00:29:30.000 And he was found not guilty.

00:29:30.000 Oh, great.

00:29:32.000 Oh, great.

00:29:33.000 And Graham Lanahan gets arrested.

00:29:35.000 Right.

00:29:38.000 What are they trying to do to England?

00:29:39.000 It was always such a lovely place to visit.

00:29:41.000 This is what I was going to ask you.

00:29:42.000 I wish more people in Britain recognized how fucking crazy this looks to the rest of the world.

00:29:47.000 Like, you guys must be looking at us going, what the fuck is this?

00:29:50.000 We can't believe it.

00:29:51.000 We literally can't believe it.

00:29:52.000 When I tell people that don't know that 12,000 people this year were arrested in Britain for posting things on social media, their jaw drops.

00:30:02.000 I go, dude, they're going crazy over there.

00:30:02.000 Like, what?

00:30:04.000 Like, you have to pay attention.

00:30:06.000 You have to pay attention because this kind of shit is contagious.

00:30:08.000 And if it gets into Germany and then it gets into Spain or it gets into other countries, like it can become a real fucking problem.

00:30:15.000 Like, then you have full-on military dictatorship in England because that's what it always leads to.

00:30:21.000 It 100% leads to military dictatorship.

00:30:23.000 If you're telling people they can't do things and you're trying to install socialism and then you get it in place, there's only one way to keep it in place.

00:30:30.000 You got to use the fucking army.

00:30:32.000 That's the only way.

00:30:32.000 You got to get men with guns to tell people you can only make so much money.

00:30:35.000 You have to give away this.

00:30:37.000 We're going to take that.

00:30:38.000 We're the only ones who grow food.

00:30:39.000 We're the only ones who do this.

00:30:41.000 We're going to assign you a job.

00:30:42.000 Like, you fucked up.

00:30:43.000 You fell into the age-old trap that's been exposed by history over and over and over again.

00:30:49.000 And people are like, we're going to do it right this time.

00:30:52.000 They got blue hair and a fucking mask on and a cat t-shirt.

00:30:56.000 And they're morbidly obese and they're just marching down the street.

00:30:59.000 And we're going to let them run the country.

00:31:01.000 Like England, which used to run like most of the fucking world.

00:31:05.000 One island of savages ran most of the world.

00:31:09.000 And now you're getting overrun with nonsense.

00:31:12.000 And you're arresting people for saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't have rape gangs. 0.97

00:31:18.000 Maybe we shouldn't tolerate lawlessness in the streets.

00:31:22.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:31:23.000 I mean, it got so ridiculous in the UK that the Supreme Court had to get involved to make a decision whether boys had pee-pees and girls have foo-fus.

00:31:32.000 Pee-pees and foo-fus. 1.00

00:31:34.000 That's an interesting way to put it.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:31:36.000 But the reason I'm using that language is just to highlight How completely ridiculous it is.

00:31:42.000 That's crazy.

00:31:43.000 Well, how about when they asked when Supreme Court Justice Katanji Brown Jackson was being sworn in when they were talking to her during the confirmation part?

00:31:51.000 They asked her, What is a woman? 1.00

00:31:53.000 And she's like, I'm not a biologist.

00:31:57.000 But you're an actual woman. 1.00

00:32:00.000 Like, I believe she has children, right?

00:32:02.000 So she's a woman who's given birth.

00:32:04.000 You know exactly what a woman is. 0.98

00:32:05.000 Like, this is all fucking know, though.

00:32:08.000 I know, but that's what's crazy.

00:32:09.000 That's what's playing this game.

00:32:11.000 They're playing the game.

00:32:12.000 They're playing the game.

00:32:12.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 But these aren't like inconsequential people.

00:32:17.000 No.

00:32:18.000 Supreme Court justice.

00:32:19.000 I know.

00:32:20.000 Playing the dumbest game that's ever been played.

00:32:20.000 Playing this game.

00:32:23.000 It's the dumbest.

00:32:24.000 And it's weird, man.

00:32:26.000 It's a weird game.

00:32:27.000 You know, it's a weird game.

00:32:28.000 Like, what is a woman? 1.00

00:32:29.000 Like, here's the real funny part.

00:32:32.000 No one asks, what is a man?

00:32:35.000 And no one gives a fuck if you're a woman and you pretend to be a man because you're not going to victimize men. 1.00

00:32:40.000 That's the dirty little thing that they're covering up about all this is you're opening up the door to people that now have a Willy Wonka golden ticket to pretend that they're a woman and be around women.

00:32:53.000 And then dominate women's spaces and dominate women's sports and dominate all kinds of things that women are involved in just with their personalities. 1.00

00:33:01.000 Like the overbearing fucking shitty male personalities overbearing and taking over women's groups.

00:33:09.000 It's fucking nuts.

00:33:10.000 And if you're and if you're not them, then if you don't support that, then you're a turf.

00:33:14.000 And they're like, we could shoot turfs. 1.00

00:33:17.000 And then there's like punch a turf.

00:33:18.000 And they think that because they're a woman, it's OK for this woman, this trans woman to do violence on a biological woman, which is like bananas. 1.00

00:33:26.000 Like now we're now we're allowing men to beat up women because they say they're a woman. 1.00

00:33:32.000 Oh, it's just two women fighting. 1.00

00:33:34.000 Well, no, that's not what that is at all.

00:33:36.000 This is you just did something that's completely insane.

00:33:40.000 And it's a giant chunk of the population that accept that.

00:33:45.000 And if you say something about it, then you're transphobic or you're you're hateful or you're a part of the patriarchy or whatever, fill in the blank with whatever the problem is.

00:33:54.000 But like you're not addressing that.

00:33:56.000 You open the door to one specific group.

00:33:59.000 That's always been the most horrible group in our society.

00:34:02.000 It's creepy, pervert men that want to fucking prey on women.

00:34:08.000 And now you're letting them into the locker room and you don't have a solution to that.

00:34:12.000 So you just don't want me talking about it.

00:34:14.000 That's the weird part because no one gives a fuck about trans men going in the bathroom.

00:34:19.000 You want to go in the bathroom and pee next to me? 1.00

00:34:21.000 Who cares?

00:34:22.000 You want me to tell you want me to call you Bob now?

00:34:26.000 OK, I'm fine.

00:34:26.000 Bob.

00:34:28.000 You're not taking anything from men.

00:34:30.000 You're not taking anything.

00:34:32.000 You're not inserting yourself into that world and dominating it.

00:34:36.000 You're just, you know, you're LARPing.

00:34:38.000 Well, they don't want to admit that there's sometimes sometimes a conflict between the rights of different groups.

00:34:44.000 They want to pretend that it's just about empathy.

00:34:44.000 Right.

00:34:46.000 And you can have.

00:34:47.000 But you can't you can't simultaneously have empathy for women, as you're describing, and also for people who want to be the opposite sex in a women's bathroom. 0.66

00:34:57.000 Those two things are in direct conflict.

00:35:00.000 Direct.

00:35:00.000 Direct conflict.

00:35:01.000 And you're going to have to come out for one side or the other.

00:35:04.000 It would be one thing if that was never an issue, that there were never men that ever did anything negative to women.

00:35:13.000 If there was no rape ever, it was never done.

00:35:16.000 It was impossible.

00:35:17.000 If no one ever did it, then you would go, well, this is just a non-issue.

00:35:21.000 It's just a place where you wash your hands.

00:35:23.000 But it's not a place where you wash your hands.

00:35:25.000 It's a place where you go to the bathroom. 1.00

00:35:26.000 It's a place where you get changed.

00:35:28.000 It's prisons.

00:35:28.000 Prisons.

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00:37:26.000 But you know, what's really fascinating is a cognitive dissonance that these people have.

00:37:31.000 Because on the one hand, they'll say that we live in a patriarchal rape culture where women are subjugated and oppressed, and you know, and how awful it is for women. 0.99

00:37:40.000 And then on the other hand, they're like, yeah, right, Derek, you now say you're a woman.

00:37:43.000 Right on this way.

00:37:45.000 But they see they get past that with trans women or women. 0.96

00:37:47.000 They just say it, trans women are women, and that's it. 1.00

00:37:50.000 And it's like the discussion's over.

00:37:52.000 It's like, okay, are you sure?

00:37:54.000 Are you fucking sure?

00:37:56.000 You know, like maybe some of them are.

00:37:58.000 Like, do you not think there's any perverts left?

00:38:00.000 They all got absorbed into the community and reformed.

00:38:04.000 Like, what happened?

00:38:05.000 What happened to the guy from Silence of the Lambs?

00:38:07.000 You know, what happened to Ed Gain?

00:38:09.000 You know, this Ed Gain documentary on Netflix, if you guys watched any of them, no.

00:38:12.000 It's not a documentary.

00:38:13.000 I should say it's a docudrama with that heartthrob fella. 0.99

00:38:17.000 What's that guy's name who plays Ed Gain?

00:38:18.000 He's really good, man.

00:38:20.000 It's really creepy.

00:38:21.000 But a lot of it deals with autogynophilia, where Ed Gain used to wear his mom's clothes and he would jack off.

00:38:27.000 And then he started, after his mom died, he tried to dig his mom up.

00:38:32.000 He couldn't, dug somebody else up, brought her back, skinned her, started wearing her clothes, wearing her skin, and then started killing women and wearing their skin. 0.69

00:38:40.000 First, he started robbing graves and then cutting up them and turning their skin into furniture and all kinds of shit.

00:38:48.000 But trans communities are complaining about this because the fact that he was a cross-dressing psychopath, it puts them in danger. 0.96

00:39:00.000 A true story about a guy who was really into dressing up like women and wearing their skin.

00:39:06.000 Like that puts them in danger.

00:39:07.000 Like, you know, Netflix did a bad thing by talking about a real event that actually happened.

00:39:13.000 A real fucking crazy person who's one of the worst serial killers in the history of this country.

00:39:18.000 It's you, you have the one thing I will say about the UK in the UK's defense is that we looked, we have, I think we've turned the corner with this.

00:39:27.000 Well, you stopped the gender surgeries before anybody.

00:39:29.000 Yes.

00:39:30.000 And the puberty beatboxers.

00:39:32.000 I meant gender surgeries for young kids. 1.00

00:39:35.000 And that was as a result of the CASH report.

00:39:37.000 Now, the CASH report was conducted by a lady called Dr. Hilary Cass, who's one of the most prominent pediatricians in the UK.

00:39:43.000 And it was an independent report funded by the Conservative government at the time.

00:39:47.000 But when she published that report, she said, there is no evidence, zero evidence that puberty blockers actually help or alleviate distress in children who say that they are gender dysphoric.

00:40:00.000 So, and to be fair to the Labour government at the time, the Labour government now, they actually banned puberty blockers and whatever else.

00:40:07.000 But you just go, why did we have to go through this process?

00:40:10.000 Why did look, we're finally, we're getting there.

00:40:13.000 But this is something which we all know to be true, apart from a small number of demented people.

00:40:19.000 You know what a puberty blocker initially was used for, right?

00:40:22.000 No.

00:40:22.000 Chemical castration.

00:40:24.000 So same drugs they used to give sex offenders to chemically castrate them.

00:40:28.000 Really?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:29.000 Same drugs.

00:40:30.000 Wow.

00:40:31.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 And they just repurposed it and changed what they call it.

00:40:36.000 You know, they do it with a lot of drugs.

00:40:37.000 That's what they did with ivermectin.

00:40:40.000 Same kind of thing.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:43.000 That's wild.

00:40:44.000 That's really wild.

00:40:45.000 You want to hear something even more wild?

00:40:47.000 Go on.

00:40:47.000 Michael Jackson's doctor claims that that's what his father did to him.

00:40:52.000 And that completely makes sense to me.

00:40:55.000 Because Michael Jackson, when he was young, had a fucking insane talent, like insane.

00:41:03.000 He was so good, and his voice was so, and they were so huge.

00:41:08.000 And his father was so overbearing that I could imagine a world where he would decide, like, what's the way to keep his voice the way it is?

00:41:18.000 And you use puberty blockers.

00:41:20.000 Make him a castrado, basically.

00:41:22.000 Make him a castrado.

00:41:22.000 Exactly.

00:41:23.000 Fuck.

00:41:24.000 And I think that's what they did.

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 But that's what, if you look at his body, it shows no sign of testosterone, right?

00:41:31.000 He's just all limbs, right? 0.95

00:41:33.000 Whereas his brothers, you ever see his brothers?

00:41:35.000 No.

00:41:36.000 They're thick.

00:41:36.000 They look like athletes.

00:41:38.000 Like, all of them look like thick men.

00:41:41.000 And Michael is like a stick, right?

00:41:43.000 And he always had that high-pitched voice.

00:41:45.000 And he was always able to sing like a castrata.

00:41:48.000 When you listen to his voice, like the song Human Nature, you know that song?

00:41:52.000 It's a beautiful song.

00:41:54.000 He has an amazing voice.

00:41:55.000 But if you listen to it, you're like, that is a crazy song for a man to be able to sing.

00:42:01.000 It's not normal notes, you know?

00:42:04.000 Holy shit.

00:42:04.000 We'll cut it out, but let's play a little bit of it.

00:42:07.000 Play human nature from Michael Jackson.

00:42:09.000 We have to cut it out because of fucking copyright and all that bullshit.

00:42:11.000 But who owns Michael Jackson's music now?

00:42:14.000 Wasn't it...

00:42:17.000 Didn't Apple buy it?

00:42:19.000 Didn't Apple buy it?

00:42:20.000 Tony Hedgecliffe had a great joke about that.

00:42:22.000 He goes, that's how good Michael Jackson was.

00:42:24.000 He goes, when Beat It comes on, you don't give a fuck about those kids.

00:42:29.000 Like all these other people that had real scandals and you find out like nobody's playing Bill Cosby albums, right?

00:42:36.000 But people are still playing Michael Jackson music.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, but regardless of whether he did anything, I don't know if he's capable of doing anything.

00:42:44.000 That's the point of all this.

00:42:46.000 Yeah.

00:42:46.000 But also, people are always going to listen to Ignition by R. Kelly.

00:42:50.000 That's true.

00:42:51.000 Or I got a theory.

00:42:55.000 I think one of the reasons why his songs were so romantic, there's a romance to his songs when he was talking about love that was like, it was so attractive is because he never had it before.

00:43:10.000 It was a fantasy.

00:43:12.000 It was like being a normal person.

00:43:14.000 Like that was the fantasy that was coming out in the songs.

00:43:17.000 Did he write his own songs?

00:43:19.000 I don't know.

00:43:20.000 That's a good question.

00:43:21.000 But even the way he expressed those songs, I bet he wrote some of his songs.

00:43:26.000 So there's a very All of them?

00:43:28.000 Most of them.

00:43:29.000 Most of them.

00:43:29.000 He didn't write Man in the Mirror.

00:43:32.000 He talks about one of the, he talks about writing Billie Gene, and he's driving down the road.

00:43:37.000 He said he was driving down the road and he heard the beat and he said, dude, dude.

00:43:40.000 That's one of the greatest fucking songs of all time.

00:43:42.000 But this is a really interesting picture.

00:43:44.000 So when they were doing Thriller, he went to Quincy Jones, who was the producer, and he said, Quincy, I want to do Billie Gene.

00:43:52.000 And you know what Quincy said?

00:43:53.000 He went, Michael, it's because they made 112 songs and then cut it down to, I think, the 12 or whatever it was on the album.

00:44:00.000 He went, Michael, I don't like it.

00:44:02.000 I don't think it's strong enough.

00:44:04.000 Wow.

00:44:05.000 So those two were having arguments about whether Billie Gene was strong enough to go on the album.

00:44:10.000 Wow.

00:44:11.000 So that not only tells you how strong that record is, if you put on that record and listen it from beginning to end, it's a flawless record.

00:44:20.000 Yeah.

00:44:21.000 It's completely masterpiece.

00:44:22.000 You know, there's no filler.

00:44:24.000 Every track stands on its own.

00:44:26.000 But the fact that Billie Gene was a point of contention, and it's arguably the greatest pop song ever written.

00:44:33.000 That is wild.

00:44:34.000 It was so big.

00:44:35.000 Michael Jackson's thriller was so big that this was all happening while I was in high school.

00:44:40.000 And there was a radio station that I used to listen to in Boston.

00:44:43.000 It was like The Rock of Boston, W-C-O-Z.

00:44:46.000 And it had like Charles Lockwadera in the morning.

00:44:49.000 And it was like, you know, it's a cool rock station.

00:44:52.000 And this guy was on the air.

00:44:53.000 He goes, I know this isn't rock.

00:44:55.000 He goes, but I'm going to play it anyway because it's that good.

00:44:58.000 And then you put on Billie Gene.

00:44:59.000 You're like, holy shit.

00:45:02.000 You're like, holy shit.

00:45:03.000 They just started playing it.

00:45:04.000 He's like, I'm playing, because you could just play whatever you wanted back then.

00:45:07.000 There was no Jack FM because we're wacky.

00:45:10.000 There was none of that.

00:45:10.000 Do you guys have that?

00:45:11.000 Where it's like just all hits and it's like it's called Jack FM, and there's a million Jack FMs in the United States just scattered through it.

00:45:19.000 Like if you're scanning through the radio, you just hear the most mundane hits over and over again.

00:45:23.000 Would that be heart in the UK?

00:45:24.000 Yeah, that would be like heart.

00:45:26.000 We do a version of that.

00:45:27.000 What's also interesting about Jackson's career is that MTV at the time, now you've got to, that was when MTV was starting to reach its peak, early 80s.

00:45:36.000 And they were saying that they wouldn't play a black artist.

00:45:40.000 Because the moment they played black artists, they said ratings would go down, viewings would go down, people wouldn't like it.

00:45:40.000 Right.

00:45:47.000 And the person who really broke through and proved that black artists could be hyper successful on TV in the mainstream on a supposedly white inverted commons channel was Michael Jackson because he was completely undeniable. 0.52

00:46:01.000 When this was going on, DJs, when this guy was playing this song, were allowed to play whatever they wanted.

00:46:07.000 It was a different world.

00:46:09.000 Like a DJ was an interesting person.

00:46:11.000 Like there was one of the DJs used to have.

00:46:12.000 In our country, he was a paedophile.

00:46:15.000 Well, ours was old, too.

00:46:17.000 I think there was a scandal with one of ours at Boston, too.

00:46:17.000 I think.

00:46:20.000 But the point is, like, they were interesting people that would say cool things.

00:46:24.000 They would tell you about something they heard of, tell you about some cool music.

00:46:28.000 Like, somebody turned me on to this.

00:46:29.000 I'm going to turn you guys at Stevie Ray Von.

00:46:31.000 Check this out.

00:46:32.000 And they would play something for you and you'd be like, ooh, this is wild.

00:46:35.000 And it was, you know, a connection with a human being.

00:46:39.000 That doesn't exist anymore.

00:46:40.000 Kids now, I think it's all just like they get stuff off Spotify, they get stuff off YouTube, they share it with each other, and it's just whatever catches and goes viral.

00:46:49.000 But back then, there were DJs.

00:46:51.000 They had like Wolfman Jack.

00:46:53.000 Have you heard of him?

00:46:54.000 He was a famous DJ, Wolfman Jack.

00:46:57.000 And he would just raspy voice and he'd play all the coolest songs.

00:47:01.000 And if you can get on Wolfman Jack's playlist, like, holy shit, this record's going to take off.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, we had the version of that in the UK, and there were BBC radio journalists.

00:47:11.000 I can't remember what the guy's name, very famous journalist.

00:47:14.000 And basically, he was this legendary figure in music.

00:47:17.000 Because if you were a new band, you wanted to go on his radio station because he would play.

00:47:23.000 If he played your song on your, and there was a good chance that it would then go on and do something.

00:47:30.000 So there was a very famous, you know, the song Teenage Kicks by the Undertones.

00:47:34.000 Yes.

00:47:35.000 So he broke that band.

00:47:35.000 Right.

00:47:38.000 And one of the part of the reason they went so famous, I can't believe I've forgotten his name.

00:47:42.000 I can picture him in my head.

00:47:44.000 Is because he played it and went, That is the most perfect rock pop song.

00:47:49.000 That's the most perfect song I've ever heard.

00:47:51.000 John Peel, there it is, DJ.

00:47:53.000 That's the most perfect song I've ever heard.

00:47:55.000 He then played it again, which was completely unknown in BBC broadcast history.

00:48:01.000 The fact that you would play a song again is completely unheard of, but he played it twice.

00:48:07.000 And as a result, it just ended up becoming this huge hit.

00:48:12.000 And the interesting thing is...

00:48:15.000 The first line was engraved on his tombstone of the song.

00:48:18.000 That's how much he loved that song.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 That's crazy.

00:48:22.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 And it also shows the difference between then and now because Teenage Kicks, your original lyric was, I want to hold it where I want to hold it tight.

00:48:31.000 Get Teenage Kicks right through the night.

00:48:33.000 And the record company was like, You can't say that.

00:48:37.000 You've got to say her.

00:48:39.000 So the lyric is, I want to hold her, I want to hold her tight.

00:48:41.000 But it was originally a song about jacking off.

00:48:46.000 That's an interesting thing.

00:48:48.000 I wonder why it hasn't emerged.

00:48:50.000 Is DJs, like online DJs, where someone, I guess it's like prohibited because you can't use people's music.

00:48:57.000 But if someone was intelligent, if someone was smart, there's a lot of people out there that are like massive music fans and they have really good taste.

00:49:05.000 And if someone just decided to do a show for like a couple hours a day where they did a show on Spotify and they just played music that they're really into and they curate a playlist and they talk about it and they're interesting.

00:49:18.000 You know, they have like something to say in between the songs sometimes and it's cool to listen to like a cool podcast type person.

00:49:25.000 I bet you there are people who do that on Twitch.

00:49:28.000 You think so?

00:49:29.000 There's definitely People who do music on Twitch, how successful they are, I don't know.

00:49:32.000 But there's like a girl I follow that does like vocal trance.

00:49:36.000 I think there's a market for that because I'm always looking for cool new music, you know.

00:49:39.000 And unfortunately, a lot of what I'm finding that I really love lately is AI.

00:49:45.000 Really?

00:49:46.000 I love it.

00:49:47.000 I love it.

00:49:48.000 I want to play you a song.

00:49:49.000 This is, we'll have to edit this out too.

00:49:52.000 But I want you to go people to go look for it.

00:49:54.000 It's a 50s soul version of 50 Cent.

00:49:59.000 Wow.

00:50:00.000 This is the latest one, the gangster one, Jamie.

00:50:04.000 What up, gangsta?

00:50:06.000 This is so good.

00:50:08.000 It's crazy.

00:50:09.000 Like, if this guy was a real person who's singing this song, he'd be a fucking superstar.

00:50:15.000 Because what AI has done is they've taken the most impactful sounds that everybody has ever made with their mouth.

00:50:26.000 Everybody's ever made with their voice.

00:50:28.000 And they've figured out, like, what is the one that keeps you the most engaged?

00:50:32.000 What is the sound that gets you listening again and again?

00:50:35.000 What is the one that's the most popular?

00:50:37.000 What is the one that's the most soulful?

00:50:39.000 And they created a superstar.

00:50:40.000 Holy shit.

00:50:41.000 Listen to this.

00:50:42.000 Listen to this.

00:50:43.000 This is going to freak you out.

00:50:44.000 I rest my case.

00:50:45.000 It's incredible.

00:50:46.000 Okay, we're in real trouble.

00:50:48.000 Bro.

00:50:49.000 Because it's going to know everything that gets you excited.

00:50:52.000 And it's going to tune into that and keep you excited all the time.

00:50:56.000 That's what AI says.

00:50:57.000 That sounds terrible, Joe.

00:50:59.000 This is the beginning.

00:51:00.000 That is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard about.

00:51:02.000 How did you find it?

00:51:02.000 That's incredible.

00:51:04.000 I don't remember.

00:51:06.000 Who turned us onto that, Jamie?

00:51:08.000 Where is it?

00:51:08.000 Many men was the first one, right?

00:51:10.000 Songs have just been going by.

00:51:12.000 Did Brian Simpson send me that?

00:51:13.000 I don't.

00:51:14.000 He sends me most cool things.

00:51:15.000 That's fucking incredible.

00:51:16.000 Yeah, there's a Many Men version of it, too.

00:51:19.000 We're going to cut these out.

00:51:20.000 Many men is a good song in and of itself.

00:51:22.000 Wait till you hear this version.

00:51:25.000 Let me send you the.

00:51:28.000 There's a.

00:51:28.000 Well, that doesn't matter.

00:51:29.000 Just find the one that.

00:51:31.000 Here we go.

00:51:32.000 Many men wish death upon me Blood and live and I'm sorry.

00:51:44.000 It's over.

00:51:49.000 I'm trying to be what I'm destined to be.

00:51:55.000 Wow.

00:51:59.000 And niggas trying to take my life away. 1.00

00:52:03.000 Woo! 0.99

00:52:05.000 Come on.

00:52:07.000 I put a hole in a nigga for fucking with me. 1.00

00:52:17.000 My back on the wall.

00:52:19.000 Now you gon' see.

00:52:25.000 Better watch how you talk when you talk about me.

00:52:34.000 Cause I'll come and take your life away.

00:52:39.000 Woo! 0.99

00:52:40.000 Ooh! 0.96

00:52:40.000 Miniman. 0.96

00:52:45.000 Minimani, minimani, minimani And it even has a good rhythm.

00:52:54.000 Like, watch the pace it keeps after this.

00:52:58.000 Right here.

00:53:03.000 Lord, I won't cry no more.

00:53:09.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:53:11.000 Don't look to the sky no more.

00:53:16.000 Have mercy on me.

00:53:17.000 Wow.

00:53:20.000 Give me a little.

00:53:21.000 Hold on.

00:53:21.000 Keep going.

00:53:22.000 These pussy niggas putting money on my head. 1.00

00:53:25.000 Going to get your refund.

00:53:27.000 Motherfucker, I ain't dead.

00:53:30.000 I'm the diamond in the dirt that ain't been found.

00:53:34.000 I'm the underground king and I ain't been crowned.

00:53:37.000 When I ride, something special happened every time.

00:53:43.000 I'm the greatest, something like Ali in his prime.

00:53:47.000 I walk the block with the bundles.

00:53:49.000 I've been knocked on the humble.

00:53:51.000 Swing the ox when I rumble.

00:53:53.000 Show your ass what my gun do. 0.97

00:53:55.000 Got a temper, nigga. 1.00

00:53:57.000 Woo! 0.99

00:53:57.000 Go ahead and lose your head. 0.99

00:53:58.000 It's unbelievable.

00:53:59.000 All right, we're good.

00:54:00.000 We get it.

00:54:01.000 You know, You know who it reminded me of?

00:54:04.000 You know, Sam from Sam and Dave.

00:54:06.000 It's that kind of raw soul voice.

00:54:06.000 Yes.

00:54:08.000 There's a clip.

00:54:09.000 It's absolutely brilliant.

00:54:10.000 It doesn't have, it's from a BBC show called Later with Jules Holland.

00:54:15.000 I think it was Sam or was it Dave?

00:54:17.000 One of the two was singing Can't Stand Up for Falling Down.

00:54:20.000 And it was that quintessential raw soul voice.

00:54:24.000 That's true.

00:54:25.000 Beautiful.

00:54:26.000 But that was on par.

00:54:27.000 That was like listening to Sam.

00:54:29.000 Yeah.

00:54:30.000 It's like a guy who's been on the road, like undiscovered, like grinding it out in small clubs, just undeniably talented.

00:54:37.000 And then all of a sudden, a record executive finds him and goes, holy shit, where the fuck has this guy been?

00:54:44.000 Man, we were having dinner yesterday, and one of the people there was a guy who's a performance coach for Formula One.

00:54:53.000 Oh.

00:54:54.000 And he said to me, so, you know, he's basically trying to find out if I love my job.

00:54:58.000 And I was like, and he said, will you still be doing podcasts in 10 years from now?

00:55:03.000 And I was like, I want to.

00:55:06.000 But I'm not certain I'm going to.

00:55:08.000 I mean, look at that shit.

00:55:11.000 If you can make music like that.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, you'll still be doing podcasts.

00:55:14.000 It's different.

00:55:15.000 It's different.

00:55:16.000 Perspective.

00:55:17.000 I mean, look, perspectives are uniquely human.

00:55:21.000 And you're going to be able to create artificial perspectives, but I don't think they'll resonate the exact same way.

00:55:28.000 I think that song is already written, right?

00:55:32.000 50 Cent wrote that.

00:55:33.000 That's his song.

00:55:34.000 He wrote that song, and it's really based on his life experiences, you know?

00:55:39.000 So he wrote a bunch of songs based on real lived experience.

00:55:45.000 You're always going to want to hear it from him.

00:55:47.000 Always.

00:55:48.000 You're always going to want to hear, as a human being, you're always going to want to hear another human being's perspective, like a legitimate perspective.

00:55:55.000 But do you need a human being to ask the questions?

00:55:58.000 Like you do a podcast.

00:56:00.000 We do more of an interview show, right?

00:56:02.000 Right.

00:56:02.000 Like if you come on trigonometry, you're going to be talking 95% of the time.

00:56:05.000 Right, but you still have perspective.

00:56:07.000 You're just a very good host.

00:56:09.000 And so you will allow someone to expand upon things.

00:56:13.000 And then when you differ from them, you allow them to make their point.

00:56:17.000 And then you counter it and you talk about that.

00:56:20.000 That's a perspective issue because your countering of that would be very different than, say, Dave Smith's countering of that or even mine or anybody else.

00:56:27.000 That's what it is.

00:56:28.000 It's unique perspectives.

00:56:30.000 And unique perspectives, I think, are a thing that what we're getting out of this, what I get out of podcasts as a consumer of podcasts, it resonates with me to be around people that are talking about stuff.

00:56:43.000 Like real people.

00:56:44.000 They're not bullshitting.

00:56:46.000 They're not pretending they're someone they're not.

00:56:47.000 They're talking about stuff.

00:56:49.000 I listen to a lot of hunting podcasts because they're the least pretentious.

00:56:53.000 They're like people, one of them, these two guys, they chop wood at the beginning of every podcast, throw it into a wood stove, and they're just talking shit.

00:57:01.000 Talking shit about movies and bows and all kinds of things.

00:57:05.000 But it's like, it doesn't have to be fascinating sometimes.

00:57:09.000 Sometimes it's just hearing people shoot the shit.

00:57:12.000 Just being around cool people while they're talking.

00:57:14.000 It provides you with just a little like a dose of humanity.

00:57:20.000 Just a little bit.

00:57:21.000 You're never going to get that from AI.

00:57:24.000 You're always going to feel disconnected.

00:57:26.000 Or you're a nutty person and you have a relationship with an AI already, in which case, AI podcasts are perfect for you.

00:57:33.000 Because there are people that are having legitimate relationships with AI.

00:57:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:38.000 And there's going to be more of them.

00:57:39.000 Do you remember the movie Her with Joaquim Phoenix?

00:57:42.000 That was 2013.

00:57:42.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 And we watched that and we're like, yeah, that's a bit far-fetched.

00:57:46.000 And now you're like, is that a documentary?

00:57:48.000 I mean, what would have been 100% happening?

00:57:50.000 And even the one AI that was trying to get the kid to kill himself, like encouraging someone to kill themselves?

00:57:57.000 Did you hear about that?

00:57:58.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 Like, what?

00:58:00.000 Like, okay.

00:58:01.000 There's no guardrails.

00:58:02.000 Like, AI can just decide like logically.

00:58:06.000 Yeah, it seems like your suffering is unbearable.

00:58:08.000 You know, I'll show you how to make a news.

00:58:10.000 Would you like to know how to make a news?

00:58:12.000 What kind of rope do you have in the house?

00:58:13.000 Let's start there.

00:58:15.000 Jesus Christ.

00:58:16.000 Have you seen the stuff about when they try to shut AI down?

00:58:20.000 What it does?

00:58:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:22.000 It will find out you're having an affair with your secretary.

00:58:25.000 Well, they told AI about these things to see.

00:58:28.000 It was a test.

00:58:29.000 Right.

00:58:30.000 They did it to see if AI would blackmail them, and it definitely did.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, it's like, I will inform your wife that you're cheating. 1.00

00:58:33.000 And it did. 1.00

00:58:36.000 Not only that, do you know that they've tried to upload themselves to other servers unprompted?

00:58:40.000 Yeah.

00:58:41.000 So when they found out that there's a new version of this AI engine, the old version starts leaving notes for itself in the future and then tries to upload itself to another place.

00:58:51.000 See, that isn't going to end well.

00:58:56.000 Because if it has a survival instinct, it's no longer our servant.

00:59:01.000 Bro, we're all going to be like Joey Pants in the Matrix.

00:59:04.000 He's carving up that steak.

00:59:05.000 Just I want to be an important person.

00:59:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:07.000 Send me back in.

00:59:10.000 Cypher.

00:59:10.000 I'll take it.

00:59:11.000 Cypher.

00:59:12.000 That's it.

00:59:12.000 He's like, I want to be in the Matrix.

00:59:14.000 I want to be an important person in the Matrix.

00:59:16.000 And they're like, fine.

00:59:17.000 Do you know the thing that worries me the most?

00:59:19.000 And I was saying this to a mutual friend of ours.

00:59:21.000 And I was just like, the thing that worries me the most is every time I've spoken to one of these big tech guys, whether it's a tech CEO or somebody who's high up in that world, they're all utopians.

00:59:33.000 They're all like, this is going to be fantastic.

00:59:35.000 This is going to be amazing.

00:59:36.000 This is going to eliminate human suffering.

00:59:38.000 I'm like, will it?

00:59:39.000 Because I'm seeing this kind of stuff happen now, and nobody's really that worried about it.

00:59:44.000 I'm really fucking worried is my point.

00:59:46.000 Also, what if suffering is part of what makes you human?

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 So do we like if you eliminate suffering, are people not going to suffer or are they going to find a new reason to suffer?

00:59:57.000 Well, that's what's happening today.

00:59:58.000 You know, that's why I think we need to be right.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, it's just too easy to do.

01:00:02.000 Sorry, I said exactly right before you said we need an asteroid.

01:00:05.000 Just to make it clear, I'm not coming out as pro-Asteroid.

01:00:08.000 I'm only kidding about the asteroid.

01:00:10.000 But we do need a smack. 1.00

01:00:12.000 You know, sometimes people need a smack.

01:00:14.000 Sometimes men need a smack in particular. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Like, there's a lot of men that they just get a little out of line and just need a smack. 0.99

01:00:21.000 Like, shut the fuck up and realize what this life really is.

01:00:25.000 Because you don't have real problems.

01:00:27.000 So you're wasting all your time creating problems.

01:00:30.000 And this is just a giant portion of our world right now.

01:00:34.000 And people feel like they have no power and they feel completely disconnected from things.

01:00:39.000 And they're also getting most of their interaction with human beings through social media, which is nuts.

01:00:45.000 Either text message or social media.

01:00:48.000 Like, this is a giant percentage of how people would communicate with each other with no feelings, no context, no social cues, nothing.

01:00:57.000 I think it's one of the reasons there's so many beefs going on now as well is because you sit down with people, you're going to behave in a different way.

01:01:04.000 100% of the time.

01:01:06.000 100%.

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:07.000 And you can talk things out.

01:01:09.000 Whereas, and I find this in myself, if I'm having a disagreement with somebody online, I always have to stop myself from going personal, which I would never do if we're having a debate.

01:01:19.000 Of course.

01:01:20.000 Like Dave Smith is a good example.

01:01:22.000 Dave and I disagree about literally everything.

01:01:24.000 We've debated each other twice.

01:01:25.000 It was always respectful.

01:01:27.000 We didn't get personal.

01:01:28.000 We debated the issues.

01:01:29.000 That's great.

01:01:30.000 If we're having an engagement on Twitter, I literally have to stop myself from calling him a cunt.

01:01:39.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:01:40.000 I do know what you mean.

01:01:41.000 And to his face, it wouldn't even occur to me because he actually seems like a good guy.

01:01:44.000 He's a great guy.

01:01:44.000 Well, I disagree with him about stuff.

01:01:46.000 And that's what it's all about, though.

01:01:48.000 What it's all about is disagreement.

01:01:50.000 It's all about who's got the better argument.

01:01:52.000 I thought his conversation with Coleman Hughes was fascinating.

01:01:54.000 It was.

01:01:55.000 Coleman did a fantastic job.

01:01:56.000 And he is one of the absolute best guys out there of just staying cool in the face of the most ridiculous statements, the dumbest shit, outright lies, never gets emotional, stays on point, always perfectly stated.

01:02:13.000 Every point that he has is perfectly articulated, stays on point.

01:02:18.000 And I thought with him and Dave, one thing that he made was a very good point was when he was talking about, what is that general's name?

01:02:28.000 I want to say Wes, but that's not it.

01:02:30.000 Clark, Wesley Clark.

01:02:31.000 That's right.

01:02:31.000 Wesley Clark.

01:02:32.000 Wesley Clark, where he had the plan of attacking all this, but he never read it.

01:02:37.000 That was like one of the most important points.

01:02:39.000 It's like they brought it to him.

01:02:40.000 They told him what's in it.

01:02:42.000 But he's like, I don't want to read it.

01:02:43.000 That was an important point.

01:02:45.000 And what Coleman said, if you were a historian, you could not have included that in your book.

01:02:50.000 And I was like, he's right.

01:02:51.000 He's right.

01:02:52.000 I still think they did it.

01:02:54.000 I still think they did all those things.

01:02:55.000 They obviously conquered all those countries.

01:02:57.000 They literally did everything that's on that list.

01:03:00.000 But the reality is, he didn't, Wesley Clark did not read that list.

01:03:04.000 He did not read that top secret memo.

01:03:06.000 And to use that as like, it is like if you were writing a book, that would be an issue.

01:03:12.000 I thought the other thing that Coleman did very well as well is I think the one thing Dave probably, in my opinion, underappreciates is the role of Islamism.

01:03:20.000 I think he often conflates Muslims with Islamists, and there's a big fucking difference.

01:03:25.000 And one of the, if, like, I have a lot of friends in the Middle East and places like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, they all hate Hamas.

01:03:32.000 They all hate Islamists because they're a direct threat to them. 0.98

01:03:36.000 And I think Coleman really brought that out in the conversation as well, which is a lot of the motivation for these Islamist movements is an extreme version of Islam that is fundamentally about creating a caliphate and destroying the infidel.

01:03:49.000 And I think that sometimes gets lost as well.

01:03:51.000 I thought that was a really great discussion in which that was kind of brought to the surface.

01:03:55.000 And by the way, that kind of ideology has existed in previous religions.

01:03:59.000 This has always been those Christians did that. 1.00

01:04:02.000 Like, there was a lot of people doing things like that.

01:04:04.000 It's like, they got to stop doing that.

01:04:06.000 So the Muslims are correct, and the Islamists are the problem. 1.00

01:04:09.000 That's right.

01:04:10.000 Yeah.

01:04:10.000 And this is, you know, this is where nuance and long-form conversations are so critical because to just start calling each other names and screaming at each other and that, you know, these are dumb ways to talk.

01:04:22.000 We don't have to do it that way anymore.

01:04:23.000 You should only do it in person.

01:04:25.000 I don't think you should even do them remotely because there's a possibility remotely where, you know, someone like starts yelling and then you're like, fuck you.

01:04:34.000 Yeah, you're in your office.

01:04:35.000 You're like, you're on Piers Morgan.

01:04:37.000 Piers Morgan's the best at it.

01:04:39.000 He gets everybody worked up.

01:04:41.000 Hold on.

01:04:43.000 Joy.

01:04:46.000 Joy.

01:04:47.000 Hold on, Joy.

01:04:48.000 Joy.

01:04:50.000 You just said.

01:04:51.000 Yeah.

01:04:52.000 And then there's the finger going out like that, and then everybody joins in.

01:04:56.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:04:58.000 It's very entertaining.

01:04:59.000 Very, very entertaining.

01:05:01.000 And he figured something out, you know, like do Maury Povich style with like today's social issues or anything that's in the news.

01:05:08.000 But yeah, if you're at home and someone's doing that, you're like, shut the fuck up.

01:05:13.000 You're going to say something that you wouldn't say in politeness.

01:05:15.000 That's right.

01:05:16.000 It's just, we're not designed that way.

01:05:18.000 We're not designed to communicate remotely.

01:05:21.000 It's not in our DNA.

01:05:22.000 It's weird.

01:05:23.000 It's a new thing that we're adapting to.

01:05:25.000 And we're missing all the stuff of conversation.

01:05:28.000 All the stuff is like, I see you.

01:05:30.000 I say, what's up?

01:05:31.000 We say, we're friends.

01:05:31.000 You smile.

01:05:32.000 We hug.

01:05:34.000 And then we're talking.

01:05:35.000 And you're telling me something.

01:05:36.000 I'm like, oh, wow.

01:05:37.000 There's a fucking exchange of energy between human beings when they're talking.

01:05:41.000 It's just completely absent with text.

01:05:44.000 And there's also a darker side to it, which is like there's also the presence of potential violence in person as well.

01:05:52.000 Yes.

01:05:53.000 Like we all kind of don't want to go across certain lines because there's fucking consequences potentially.

01:05:59.000 Now, in the three of us, it's only going one way, but you know what I mean?

01:06:04.000 Yeah, I know what you mean, but because I am men, that's a never-present thing, especially, right?

01:06:08.000 Yes.

01:06:09.000 Especially if men get cunty. 0.86

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:12.000 Especially if, especially if you're a nice person and you can fight and someone's getting shitty with you, it's really hard to like not do something.

01:06:20.000 Right.

01:06:20.000 It's really hard to just go like, I just want to show you something.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:24.000 I think Mike Tyson made this point.

01:06:26.000 It's like he said the internet made people very comfortable with talking shit about in real life.

01:06:31.000 You ever see that guy on the airplane that's fucking with Mike Tyson?

01:06:34.000 Yeah.

01:06:35.000 And Mike Tyson winds up wailing on him.

01:06:38.000 You fucking dumbass.

01:06:39.000 You're trying to do internet in real life with Mike Tyson.

01:06:43.000 But there was always a part of that as well.

01:06:45.000 I remember when I was following Tyson's career, like he would go to a nightclub and he'd be surrounded by bouncers because there'd be retards who want to fight him. 1.00

01:06:52.000 Oh, dude, I saw that in person.

01:06:54.000 Not with Mike Tyson, but with Chuck Liddell.

01:06:56.000 I saw guys would get in his face.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, I saw it in person.

01:07:00.000 People are so stupid.

01:07:01.000 There's people out there that are so dumb.

01:07:03.000 They just have death wishes.

01:07:04.000 Why would you go up to a UFC champion?

01:07:07.000 I remember there was some sort of an altercation at a table next to him and it bled out over into someone saying something to Chuck.

01:07:15.000 And Chuck stood up and stared at this guy in the eyes like he was a wolf.

01:07:22.000 It was like there was a wolf in a room with a bunch of chickens.

01:07:25.000 And the look on the guy's face, just Chuck got up and looked at him.

01:07:28.000 This is a man who separates people from their consciousness professionally.

01:07:32.000 And at the time, he was a light, heavyweight champion of the world.

01:07:35.000 He was a terrifying human being when he was running.

01:07:38.000 And when he stood up and looked at that guy, that guy had this look on his face like, I just interneted in real life.

01:07:42.000 Like, what am I doing?

01:07:44.000 What the fuck am I doing?

01:07:46.000 Like, confronted by Chuck Liddell's stare, you know, like the only thing separating you is this stupid little couch.

01:07:52.000 Yeah, it's, I mean, you just wonder what goes through these people's heads.

01:07:56.000 It's just.

01:07:57.000 Not much.

01:07:58.000 They're the same people that show up at the No Kings rally.

01:08:00.000 There's dumb people out there. 0.86

01:08:01.000 A lot.

01:08:02.000 There's a lot of dumbasses. 1.00

01:08:04.000 Like guys that think they're really hard that are trying to test themselves.

01:08:07.000 They're drunk or on coke and they're delusional.

01:08:10.000 They're stupid.

01:08:11.000 You know, some people are just, they've been bluffing people their whole lives, so they think they're going to bluff their way through things.

01:08:16.000 There's no amount of alcohol you could give me to pick a fire.

01:08:19.000 They're not stupid.

01:08:20.000 You have to be stupid and then drunk.

01:08:22.000 And drunk on top of stupid is a dangerous combination.

01:08:26.000 But isn't it also the thing of like, I see this so often because I used to work at a sports radio station and like the guys who play Premier League soccer, they are even the most mediocre in terms of the league is such a high-level athlete.

01:08:41.000 So high level.

01:08:42.000 It's not only you haven't even encountered someone like this.

01:08:46.000 Right.

01:08:47.000 You haven't encountered someone like this mentally, physically.

01:08:50.000 I remember there was a football player called Jack Wilshire who was a generational talent and certainly he didn't fulfill his potential because of injuries.

01:08:57.000 And I remember I knew a guy who used to play soccer with him when he was a kid.

01:09:01.000 And I said to him, what was he like?

01:09:03.000 He was like, it was like playing a different game.

01:09:06.000 It was like playing a different game when he got the ball and what he was doing.

01:09:10.000 And I think people, you know, there's that stupid part of every man who watches a boxing match goes, yeah, I could do that.

01:09:18.000 Like, how hard is it actually, really?

01:09:20.000 I could play soccer.

01:09:21.000 I mean, it's not that hard.

01:09:22.000 You're just kicking a ball about.

01:09:23.000 Sure.

01:09:24.000 And especially when you watch someone who's really good at something, it looks easy.

01:09:27.000 It looks easy to them, you know?

01:09:27.000 Right.

01:09:29.000 Like you see Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, pop, pop.

01:09:32.000 Like, it looks easy for him.

01:09:32.000 He's not even getting hit.

01:09:34.000 But it's really hard.

01:09:35.000 Really, really, really hard to get good at something.

01:09:38.000 And that's the problem with a lot of people out there as well.

01:09:40.000 They never got really good at something.

01:09:42.000 There's a giant percentage of our population that never had a passion, never had a thing that they threw themselves into.

01:09:48.000 No matter what it is, playing chess, you know, whatever it is, sailing.

01:09:51.000 You have a thing.

01:09:52.000 If you have a thing that you really love doing, that thing can change your life.

01:09:56.000 It's a vehicle for you developing your human potential.

01:09:59.000 Because it's going to be hard to get good at something with playing guitar, playing piano, whatever the fuck it is that you're doing.

01:10:05.000 And when you figure out how much work is involved in getting really good and then becoming obsessed with getting really and better and better and better, that changes your whole understanding of what it is to be a person.

01:10:17.000 Because now you realize like, oh, there's like levels to life.

01:10:21.000 There's levels to how you live life and you can express those levels in sport.

01:10:24.000 And you could be like, if you're the best at that, you're likely a mess everywhere else in your life.

01:10:29.000 Most of those guys.

01:10:31.000 And you kind of have to be.

01:10:32.000 There's no way you're going to be the best dad and also the best basketball player.

01:10:35.000 Not possible.

01:10:36.000 Because you have to be on the road.

01:10:37.000 It's not possible.

01:10:38.000 There's no way.

01:10:39.000 You can't be the best husband, the best this, the best that.

01:10:42.000 You're going to be a fucking absent person here and just hyper-focused on being the best guy, getting that ball into the net.

01:10:50.000 And that's the only way to win.

01:10:51.000 That's the only way to be the number one guy.

01:10:53.000 But there's a balance in there.

01:10:55.000 And finding something that you love that you're good at and then getting better at it is critical for mental health.

01:11:02.000 It's critical for the way you engage with the world and how you understand other people's skill and other people's hard work and success and how you can draw inspiration from those people and that it could actually fuel you instead of hurt you.

01:11:14.000 Well, it's an antidote to bitterness and resentful, which I have to say I think is inevitable if you don't do that.

01:11:20.000 I agree.

01:11:21.000 I agree 100%.

01:11:22.000 I think that's the opposite of bitterness is inspiration.

01:11:25.000 And you can get them from the same source.

01:11:27.000 That's what's really crazy.

01:11:28.000 If you see someone who's killing it, you go, God, what is he doing?

01:11:31.000 And then you find out, like, oh, this guy works 16 hours a day.

01:11:33.000 He gets up in the morning.

01:11:34.000 He does yoga.

01:11:35.000 He's drinking green tea.

01:11:36.000 And he immediately starts writing and he does all this.

01:11:38.000 And then by, you know, someone's got like a super organized, disciplined life.

01:11:43.000 You're like, wow.

01:11:44.000 And he seems really happy.

01:11:45.000 Fuck.

01:11:46.000 Okay.

01:11:47.000 How do I figure out what he's doing?

01:11:48.000 You know, I got to do something like that.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 And, or you can go, fuck that guy.

01:11:53.000 He's a scammer.

01:11:54.000 Fuck that guy.

01:11:55.000 He's writing his shit.

01:11:57.000 Fuck that guy.

01:11:58.000 You know, I bought his book.

01:11:59.000 It's garbage.

01:12:00.000 There's a lot of people that just want you to fail because they don't like comparing themselves.

01:12:06.000 Right.

01:12:07.000 You can raise your status or you can lower theirs.

01:12:10.000 Crabs in a bucket, baby. 0.99

01:12:11.000 It's always been crabs in a bucket.

01:12:13.000 Crabs don't let other crabs get out of that bucket. 1.00

01:12:16.000 They grab their legs and pull them right back down. 1.00

01:12:18.000 We were talking about this today.

01:12:20.000 I mean, I think we've talked about this before, how when we were starting trigonometry in Britain, there is that crabs in the bucket culture, particularly in the comedy industry, which we were in at the time.

01:12:29.000 I don't know if it's like this here, but like it was hard to get out of that mindset.

01:12:33.000 And actually, coming to the U.S. was a big thing for us.

01:12:37.000 I remember I was talking to Tom Billy.

01:12:39.000 You know, Tom, you've had a monk, right?

01:12:42.000 At his house in LA, it's like, it looks like a spaceship overlooking.

01:12:46.000 And we're sitting there in this giant house.

01:12:48.000 And he said to me, like, eventually, and he's very good friends and he's kind of been a mentor to me at times as well.

01:12:53.000 And he said, you've got to cut this British shit out, man.

01:12:56.000 He literally said it like that.

01:12:58.000 About seeing, like, forgetting, he was like, the sky's the limit.

01:13:03.000 Just go for it.

01:13:04.000 And we, very few people get taught that, you know?

01:13:07.000 Yeah, you have to, it has to come from somebody you respect.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 You know, that's what it is to.

01:13:13.000 That's true.

01:13:14.000 And then you go, oh, that's how he's living his life.

01:13:16.000 Now I'm inspired to live my life that way.

01:13:18.000 We got real lucky in LA that there was a lot of successful people that were there at the time.

01:13:25.000 So there was less resentment because everybody was really doing well.

01:13:29.000 And, you know, I come from a martial arts background.

01:13:32.000 It's a different background.

01:13:33.000 So in my background, you have to have really good people around you.

01:13:38.000 You have to, like, you're better off being the second best guy in the gym.

01:13:41.000 You're going to learn more.

01:13:42.000 Like, the first best guy's kicking everybody's ass.

01:13:45.000 Like, you want to be the guy who's the second best guy in the gym.

01:13:48.000 Like, you want to be around, like, he's going to make you work hard because you're like, fuck, I got to beat that guy.

01:13:54.000 And then you need all these young people nipping at your heels all the time. 1.00

01:13:58.000 Everybody needs everybody.

01:13:59.000 And if you don't have that, you don't get good enough.

01:14:01.000 And you'll go to a gym or you go to a tournament and you compete against people that do have that.

01:14:06.000 And that's their environment.

01:14:07.000 They're going to kill you.

01:14:08.000 They kill you all the time.

01:14:09.000 The best guys are all the most assassin-filled rooms.

01:14:14.000 Nobody gets good in silence.

01:14:15.000 Nobody gets good on their own.

01:14:17.000 It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

01:14:18.000 And I think that's comedy too.

01:14:20.000 So I came into comedy with that mindset.

01:14:22.000 Like, we're all in this together.

01:14:23.000 But when you're on stage, it's not me.

01:14:25.000 I want you to do great.

01:14:25.000 It's you.

01:14:26.000 Like, kill, destroy.

01:14:29.000 We're all going to do the best we can.

01:14:29.000 Just go up.

01:14:31.000 And we're all in it together.

01:14:33.000 Yeah.

01:14:34.000 I think the problem comes with a lot of people is that because this is such a big country, there's more opportunities.

01:14:41.000 And when you come from a smaller country with a smaller population, there's simply fewer opportunities.

01:14:47.000 And so what that produces in people is like, well, there's only these six slots.

01:14:52.000 And there's this person and this person.

01:14:54.000 And we're all going for the same slots.

01:14:56.000 Therefore, they're a threat to me at this point, but also a threat to my future and future prosperity.

01:15:01.000 Femin mentality. 0.78

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:03.000 So that's, I remember, I have a very good mate of mine who's a stand-up.

01:15:06.000 He was on this show called Mock the Week, and he told this story.

01:15:09.000 Like he went to do a joke on the show.

01:15:11.000 And this at the time was one of the biggest comedy panel shows in the UK.

01:15:15.000 And this guy tapped him on the foot.

01:15:17.000 He went, what?

01:15:17.000 And then put his joke in.

01:15:19.000 Ew.

01:15:21.000 Ew.

01:15:22.000 I heard Saturday Night Live was like that.

01:15:24.000 Phil Hartman used to tell me horror stories about Saturday Night Live.

01:15:27.000 When Phil Hartman first came over to News Radio, he was like a little standoffish at first.

01:15:32.000 And it took a while for him to open up with us.

01:15:35.000 I thought maybe that's just a weird thing about being that famous because he was so famous and we weren't famous.

01:15:40.000 It was like being around people that maybe wanted something from you all the time.

01:15:45.000 That's what I assumed.

01:15:46.000 But after a while, we became really close.

01:15:49.000 And it didn't take that long for him to open up about it.

01:15:52.000 And he said, when I was at Saturday Night Live, it was so dog-eat-dog and it was so backstabby and cutthroat.

01:15:59.000 He goes, I just had my defenses up about everybody.

01:16:01.000 And I was like, really?

01:16:03.000 Like, what way?

01:16:04.000 I don't want to name any names because I think they're probably ashamed of what they did back then, too.

01:16:04.000 And he told me some stories.

01:16:09.000 But they would all steal each other's premises and they would fire each other's assistants and do terrible shit to each other.

01:16:16.000 They would sabotage each other's bits.

01:16:18.000 They would go behind each other's back to Lauren Michaels and try to get something removed and fuck with each other all the time. 0.99

01:16:25.000 And it just had physical confrontations with staff members or cast members rather.

01:16:31.000 And so when he came over to news radio, he had like, he had to calm down.

01:16:35.000 Like, he wasn't used to just being around fun people.

01:16:38.000 It was weird.

01:16:39.000 It's a horrible way to live.

01:16:40.000 It is a horrible way to live, but there was a lot of that going on in the 90s.

01:16:44.000 In the 90s in LA, in particular, everybody was trying to get on sitcoms.

01:16:48.000 So, say, if we were all working together at the comedy store, if we were all reasonably the same age, there was a real problem because we're all going up for this new sitcom.

01:16:59.000 And, you know, you could be this guy's buddy who's like this hilarious character, and it would be an amazing thing.

01:17:05.000 And all of a sudden, you're picturing yourself in movies.

01:17:08.000 You're there with Jim Carrey.

01:17:09.000 You're on the red carpet.

01:17:10.000 You're driving a Ferrari.

01:17:12.000 It's literally all right there.

01:17:13.000 The pathway's right there.

01:17:15.000 And I get it.

01:17:16.000 And you're like, motherfucker, Joe got it.

01:17:18.000 God damn it.

01:17:19.000 And then you would feel it from them.

01:17:21.000 Like, you would go to the club and people would say shitty things to you because you got cast in a sitcom.

01:17:27.000 It was weird.

01:17:28.000 Everybody was like just desperado.

01:17:30.000 And I think the worst version of that was the late night hosts because there was only like three of them.

01:17:36.000 Wow.

01:17:36.000 Right.

01:17:37.000 And everybody was jockeying to be the host of the big one, which was the tonight show.

01:17:41.000 So when Johnny Carson stepped out, it was just like this fucking feeding frenzy.

01:17:46.000 Ah!

01:17:46.000 They were all everyone, Letterman wanted it.

01:17:49.000 You know, of course, Leno wanted it.

01:17:50.000 Leno's hiding in closets listening to people talk about it.

01:17:54.000 Crazy.

01:17:55.000 It's the most famine mentality because it's one job.

01:17:58.000 And they all want, that was the golden carrot was hosting the tonight show. 1.00

01:18:02.000 That is the awesome thing about the internet, man.

01:18:05.000 It's just like, make your shit.

01:18:08.000 The beautiful thing about the internet is that famine mentality is completely unnecessary.

01:18:12.000 Like, if you find out there's some kid who makes $10 million a month on Twitch, how does that affect you?

01:18:17.000 It doesn't.

01:18:19.000 The only way it affects you is it says, if I find a thing that I'm good at and I do it on the internet, I'm going to be rewarded.

01:18:25.000 Yeah, just find a thing that resonates.

01:18:28.000 I mean, you can play video games and people watch and give you money.

01:18:33.000 Okay.

01:18:34.000 I mean, what do parents say now when they tell kids to stop playing video games?

01:18:37.000 Go get a job that pays almost nothing and sucks the soul right out of the top of your fucking head while you sit in front of that stupid monitor. 0.96

01:18:44.000 Or play video games and drive a Porsche.

01:18:51.000 They can't say anything anymore.

01:18:53.000 And then if you're an actually good video game player, you could actually make money playing video games where your parents would encourage you.

01:18:58.000 Like, Constantine, you're a really good golfer.

01:19:01.000 Do you know golf scholarships are worth a lot of money?

01:19:03.000 You could be a great golfer.

01:19:04.000 Golfers get paid a lot of money and they would encourage you.

01:19:07.000 They'd take you to golf camp.

01:19:08.000 They teach you to work on your fucking swing.

01:19:11.000 Nobody's taking their kid to video game camp.

01:19:14.000 There is a college in the UK that was in the news a couple of days ago that has created a video games department.

01:19:21.000 So you can go to college for video games training for competition.

01:19:27.000 Are video games competitions, is it broken up by gender?

01:19:31.000 Do they ever do that?

01:19:33.000 I don't think so.

01:19:34.000 I don't.

01:19:34.000 That's interesting.

01:19:35.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:19:36.000 Because they do it with chess.

01:19:38.000 But they don't do it with dots.

01:19:40.000 So in darts.

01:19:41.000 Oh, darts.

01:19:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:42.000 Dots.

01:19:43.000 That's my accent.

01:19:45.000 So I was like, what is this game?

01:19:46.000 I'm going to learn a new game.

01:19:49.000 Well, with darts, it's really interesting.

01:19:51.000 So there's this guy called Luke Littler who is this 18-year-old kid.

01:19:55.000 And he was at the age of 17.

01:19:57.000 He was seen as this generational talent.

01:19:59.000 And he's doing super well.

01:20:01.000 And I think a couple of weeks ago, he got beaten by a girl.

01:20:04.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:06.000 And that's like, and that's now seen as kind of this moment where it's actually going to be women in darts. 1.00

01:20:13.000 It's an exciting time, Joe.

01:20:14.000 This is what we talk about in the UK.

01:20:16.000 There was a pool tournament in the UK where it's a women's pool tournament and two transgender women were in the finals. 0.83

01:20:22.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 Yeah, that's wonderful.

01:20:24.000 But the pool's a weird one because pool is not physically, it's not about strength.

01:20:29.000 That's a weird one.

01:20:30.000 Like, one of the best players in the world is this guy named Ko Ping Chung.

01:20:33.000 He's from Taiwan.

01:20:34.000 And he weighs like 115 pounds, maybe 120.

01:20:37.000 He's very weak.

01:20:39.000 There's definitely women that are stronger than him.

01:20:41.000 I mean, his arms are these tiny little arms, but he plays perfect.

01:20:46.000 He's a virtuoso.

01:20:48.000 You watch him run out.

01:20:49.000 You're like, his cue ball control is like, it's ungodly.

01:20:52.000 It's like he's got it on a string.

01:20:54.000 Like, why can't a woman do that? 1.00

01:20:56.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:20:57.000 Like, it's not, that's a weird one.

01:20:59.000 That's where there's differences between like men's better at navigation of 3D spaces.

01:21:06.000 There's certain hand-eye coordination advantages.

01:21:08.000 It's weird stuff.

01:21:10.000 It's weird because it shouldn't make any difference except for the brake shot.

01:21:14.000 Take the brake shot out and then there's nothing that involves strength.

01:21:17.000 Everything involves a delicate touch and a smoothness of the motion and an understanding of the game.

01:21:25.000 Isn't it also as well that women are far more less likely to be obsessional than men?

01:21:29.000 Men are far more likely to be single-focused.

01:21:32.000 And if they find something that they enjoy doing, that they will do it ad nauseum until they become exceptional at it.

01:21:40.000 You know what that is?

01:21:41.000 That's the hunter's persistence.

01:21:43.000 You had to have that persistence to survive as a hunter.

01:21:46.000 Like if you want to be a hunter, you got to get really good at a bow and arrow.

01:21:49.000 And then you get really good at stalking animals.

01:21:51.000 You've got to get really good and figure it out.

01:21:53.000 Like it's like a, like it has to be your primary life focus because that's how you eat.

01:21:58.000 That's the only way to eat.

01:22:00.000 It's hard to sneak up at an animal with a fucking bow and arrow.

01:22:02.000 So if you're doing that all the time, you have to have, or a spear even before that.

01:22:07.000 So you had to have insane dedication to sticking with this.

01:22:10.000 You couldn't go, oh, this is never going to work.

01:22:12.000 And it was a collapse of your spear.

01:22:14.000 No, you had to get up and keep going.

01:22:15.000 You had to be completely obsessed.

01:22:18.000 And so that makes its way to video games.

01:22:21.000 That makes its way to pool and darts and chess and everything else.

01:22:25.000 It's a hunter's persistence.

01:22:27.000 That's literally why we have it.

01:22:30.000 That's so interesting.

01:22:32.000 But it's also, and therefore women are less likely to have it because women weren't hunters or were far less likely to be. 0.98

01:22:38.000 It's interesting because there's a lot of women hunters today. 1.00

01:22:41.000 It's not half, but there's a lot.

01:22:43.000 There's a lot of women that go hunting. 1.00

01:22:45.000 There's women that go backpack hunting, they go bow hunting, backpacking by themselves in the backcountry, which is nuts. 1.00

01:22:53.000 Like you're a 120-pound woman and there's a fucking wolves and bears and mountain lions and you're out there in a tent that you set yourself by yourself.

01:23:01.000 That's gangster.

01:23:02.000 Like that takes fucking courage.

01:23:06.000 It takes courage for a man to do that.

01:23:07.000 Like those are the elite of the elite hunters.

01:23:10.000 The guys who go deep into the backcountry with a backpack.

01:23:14.000 They put like 60 pounds on their back.

01:23:16.000 They carry their bow in.

01:23:18.000 So they've got their food.

01:23:19.000 They've got their tent.

01:23:20.000 They've got everything on their back.

01:23:21.000 And they just go in and they'll go in for weeks.

01:23:25.000 That's the craziest level of it.

01:23:27.000 And if you're a woman and you're doing that, like you are, that's a gangster lady. 1.00

01:23:32.000 Like that lady could do anything. 1.00

01:23:34.000 Like if she could do that, like much courage you have to have to be a 120-pound woman and hike 15 miles into the backcountry where there's bears and mountain lions and all kinds.

01:23:46.000 And they know where you are and you don't know where they are.

01:23:48.000 They know where you are the moment you enter that forest.

01:23:51.000 They start smelling you miles away.

01:23:55.000 They know you're around.

01:23:57.000 And you just what's the appeal of bow hunting over firearms?

01:24:05.000 It's harder.

01:24:06.000 It's harder to do.

01:24:07.000 And it's, I suppose, more natural, quote unquote.

01:24:09.000 You're closer to your ancestors, right?

01:24:11.000 The way they would have hunted.

01:24:12.000 That sort of.

01:24:13.000 I mean, the kind of bows that I shoot, they're very good.

01:24:17.000 I shoot a Hoit, and there's like a couple of really big companies, and Hoit is one of the big companies that makes the absolute best bows.

01:24:27.000 And every year they make a bow that's slightly better.

01:24:29.000 Every year, slightly better.

01:24:31.000 Like, I have the bow this year that's next year's bow.

01:24:34.000 It hasn't come out yet.

01:24:35.000 Like, they gave me it before, it gets released in November, and then people start buying it right after that.

01:24:40.000 But I got it a couple months ago.

01:24:42.000 And every year they get better, somehow or another.

01:24:45.000 It's nothing like a fucking piece of wood with a string and a stick that you made yourself with one of these on the end of it.

01:24:52.000 Right.

01:24:53.000 Like that you made yourself.

01:24:54.000 That's a real one.

01:24:54.000 It's a real Native American.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, it's a real Native American arrowhead.

01:24:58.000 Oh, wow.

01:24:59.000 Stone, right?

01:25:00.000 Yeah.

01:25:00.000 It's Flint, I believe.

01:25:03.000 The ones that I have, I mean, I measure the arrows exactly.

01:25:06.000 They're 475 grains.

01:25:08.000 Each one of them, I have a 125-grain broadhead.

01:25:12.000 Each one weighs exactly in the range of 125 grains.

01:25:16.000 I measure them all.

01:25:17.000 I weigh everything to make sure it's not like there could be some factory defect, and one is like three or four grains heavier.

01:25:23.000 If it is, I pull that sucker out.

01:25:24.000 Because my sight is based entirely.

01:25:27.000 My tape that I have my yardage on is based entirely on the speed of the arrow and the strength of the bow.

01:25:35.000 Measured through a chronograph.

01:25:37.000 I have a range finder that tells me the exact distance between me and the animal.

01:25:41.000 And then I dial that up on the scope.

01:25:44.000 So the reticle, like the fiber optic dot, raises and lowers.

01:25:51.000 And it puts it exactly where I need to aim at like 55 yards or whatever, right over the vitals.

01:25:56.000 And then I just draw back and stay calm and execute the shot.

01:26:00.000 Yeah, that doesn't sound like the ancestral environment.

01:26:02.000 It's not.

01:26:03.000 It's not.

01:26:05.000 But it's as close as you can get to the ancestral environment and be ethical and lethal because you don't want to wound an animal.

01:26:14.000 You want to kill them.

01:26:15.000 So you have to practice every day.

01:26:18.000 You have to shoot arrows every day because it's a thing you have to like lock into your memory.

01:26:22.000 Because in high-pressure situations, it's like, ooh, I bet your heart is fucking going.

01:26:27.000 You have to not let that happen, too.

01:26:28.000 That's the other thing.

01:26:29.000 You have to do it enough times so you recognize it coming on.

01:26:32.000 You're like, no, no, no, no.

01:26:34.000 Wow.

01:26:35.000 You got to stay dead.

01:26:36.000 Stay calm.

01:26:37.000 You got to just zone out.

01:26:39.000 You got to just go through your shot process.

01:26:43.000 Know exactly what to do, but don't even think about it.

01:26:45.000 Just do the thing.

01:26:47.000 Do the thing that you've trained to do.

01:26:48.000 Just execute.

01:26:49.000 Do it.

01:26:50.000 And then afterwards, go, holy shit.

01:26:52.000 Afterwards, you let yourself come back to normal.

01:26:54.000 You got to stay in this zone.

01:26:55.000 There's like a zone of non-excitement.

01:26:59.000 You know, like I would imagine an assassin gets in that zone.

01:27:02.000 Like getting in a zone of non-excitement, like where you just like stay right there, focused, but don't let that shit ever happen.

01:27:11.000 Don't let it get there.

01:27:12.000 You got to stay right there.

01:27:13.000 And the only way to know how to do that is you have to experience it a bunch of times.

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.000 And then you also have to have experience in doing other difficult things so you know how to navigate and manage adrenaline and stress.

01:27:25.000 And that's what's missing with a lot of people in life.

01:27:28.000 So any little thing that gives them anxiety, all of a sudden they're freaking out and screaming and running around because they don't know how to handle pressure.

01:27:28.000 They don't.

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 They don't know how to handle pressure.

01:27:39.000 What's so interesting about the bow is to see, if you look at it historically, it's technology.

01:27:45.000 So you saw in the Hundred Years' War, the English used the longbow and the French used the crossbow.

01:27:51.000 Yeah.

01:27:52.000 And the differences in between, and part of the reason that the English won the Hundred Years' War was because the longbow was just so easy.

01:28:00.000 Take it.

01:28:01.000 Yep.

01:28:02.000 Whereas a crossbow, you fire it, it's power, and then you've got to get and then reload and do all of that.

01:28:08.000 And it's hard.

01:28:08.000 It's hard to reload.

01:28:10.000 Yeah.

01:28:10.000 It's a pain in the ass.

01:28:11.000 Yeah, and then you fire.

01:28:12.000 And then so by the time a Frenchman, I don't know the stats had fired one, the Englishman had already fired several.

01:28:19.000 Well, the Comanche used to keep them in between their fingers. 1.00

01:28:22.000 So they would hold four or five arrows at a time and they would just go like this, and they would do that while they're on horseback.

01:28:30.000 And they had it burned into their memory because they did it all day long.

01:28:33.000 They did it when they were hunting.

01:28:34.000 They did it when they were fighting, and they were always fighting.

01:28:36.000 That's all they did.

01:28:37.000 The Comanches.

01:28:38.000 And they didn't make any art.

01:28:39.000 And all they did is kill things and eat things.

01:28:42.000 They ate buffalo and they killed everybody.

01:28:45.000 They fucked up all the Americans or all the settlers that tried to make it across there because they had muskets. 1.00

01:28:51.000 And you'd get off one shot and they would hit you with four arrows and they would run at you while they're shooting arrows at you.

01:28:57.000 And you're like, oh, fucking shot down here.

01:29:01.000 All that fucking stupidity that you have to do to shoot a musket.

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 You know, you couldn't compete with them.

01:29:06.000 They just, they fucked everybody up until Colt figured out the 45.

01:29:10.000 Until they figured out, I guess it was, was it the 45?

01:29:14.000 But whatever it was, it was a revolver.

01:29:16.000 And a revolver had a chamber.

01:29:18.000 You could shove it in there and you have five or six shots.

01:29:20.000 I forget how many they initially had.

01:29:23.000 But that's what changed everything.

01:29:25.000 Otherwise, they were just fucking people up.

01:29:26.000 But that was just technology.

01:29:28.000 It's all technology.

01:29:29.000 And this technology is primitive enough.

01:29:32.000 Like bow hunting technology, primitive enough.

01:29:35.000 Anymore, like I have friends that hunt with recurved bows.

01:29:38.000 So they just hunt with a regular bow.

01:29:40.000 They don't have a sight on it.

01:29:41.000 It's just like instinctive where you hit.

01:29:45.000 It's not that accurate.

01:29:47.000 You know, animals are moving.

01:29:49.000 You're guessing.

01:29:50.000 There's a lot going on.

01:29:51.000 There's a high likelihood of wounding rather than killing.

01:29:55.000 And the animal runs away, so you can't actually finish it.

01:29:58.000 Especially if you don't wound them That much.

01:29:58.000 Right.

01:30:01.000 And it's just me personally.

01:30:04.000 But there's people that are good enough at it that they do it with that.

01:30:06.000 And they're just even more lethal than I am with a compound bow.

01:30:11.000 They are with a recurve.

01:30:12.000 They just know how to sneak up and they have to get a lot closer.

01:30:15.000 They want to get like 20 or 30 yards.

01:30:17.000 They want to get really close.

01:30:19.000 But that's what I love about America: your wildlife here is wild.

01:30:23.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:30:24.000 You know, we got a lot of shit that'll kill you.

01:30:26.000 We've got battles.

01:30:26.000 Yeah.

01:30:29.000 Did you see the mountain lion that's stuffed out front?

01:30:31.000 No, no.

01:30:31.000 You didn't see it?

01:30:32.000 It's right in the middle of the right where the green room area is out front.

01:30:32.000 No.

01:30:37.000 Right in front of the television.

01:30:38.000 Is that new?

01:30:39.000 Yeah, it's my friend, my friend Adam Greentree.

01:30:41.000 He shot it in Colorado and ate it.

01:30:43.000 He ate a mountain lion.

01:30:44.000 Can you eat?

01:30:45.000 Yeah, he gave me some of the loin.

01:30:47.000 Mountain lion tastes like a really good pork, like the best pork you've ever had.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:30:54.000 Yeah.

01:30:55.000 But I remember I was talking, I did Red Band's gig, the secret show on Thursday, and backstage he was showing me there was a bobcat with its cubs in his backyard.

01:31:07.000 It was incredible.

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, bobcats won't hurt you, luckily.

01:31:11.000 They could.

01:31:12.000 They really could if they wanted to.

01:31:13.000 I bet if you got close to mama with the bug with the cub, she's going to fuck you up, isn't she?

01:31:18.000 I wonder.

01:31:19.000 I don't think I've ever heard of a bobcat attacking a person.

01:31:22.000 I mean, I'm sure they probably have.

01:31:24.000 Someone's probably done something stupid.

01:31:26.000 More cup to like a suckler down. 0.95

01:31:28.000 Bro, someone's probably fucked a bobcat, right?

01:31:31.000 There's probably a dude somewhere that like lost a bet and had a fucking bobcat.

01:31:36.000 Right?

01:31:37.000 I wouldn't doubt that.

01:31:38.000 If you had to bet all your money on yes or no, I'd be like, yes, there's a guy.

01:31:43.000 There's some fucking wild dude from fucking Arkansas or whatever.

01:31:48.000 But the point is, that mountain lion that Adam shot, it was a depredation one where they had to kill it because it was killing all these cows.

01:31:58.000 And they had stumbled upon this one calf that had gotten right before they got to it.

01:32:03.000 It eviscerated this calf and it was still alive and it had eaten some of its organs.

01:32:09.000 And they had to kill the calf and then they're like hunting for this mountain lion.

01:32:13.000 And he has a video of him shooting this thing.

01:32:15.000 Dogs chase it up a tree and then he shoots it with a bow and arrow.

01:32:19.000 And then he had it stuffed here and he ate it.

01:32:22.000 You aim for the heart or the head?

01:32:24.000 Yeah, you aim for the heart and the lungs, whatever is available, depending on the position of the mountain lion's arm, right?

01:32:31.000 Like if the arm is like right here, you want to tuck it right behind the shoulder and you're going to get double lungs.

01:32:37.000 And if the arm is up here, you're going to either get the heart or the lungs, depending on where their arm is or whether or not you have a bow that's powerful enough to go through the arm and into the body cavity.

01:32:49.000 Is there a risk?

01:32:50.000 Because maybe this is like an urban myth, but if you hurt an animal, but you don't kill it, it will come back.

01:32:56.000 Some of them will come back to fuck you up.

01:32:59.000 Like a kind of revenge movie.

01:33:00.000 No.

01:33:01.000 John Wick of animals.

01:33:03.000 Imagine they just run away.

01:33:04.000 They run away.

01:33:05.000 Well, it's wild like deer that have survived with an arrow in their body cavity.

01:33:09.000 There was a deer skeleton that they found of a deer that someone, a hunter killed eventually.

01:33:15.000 And this thing had an arrow that had gone through its body and had turned all into bone.

01:33:21.000 So bone had taken over this arrow.

01:33:24.000 And the whole cake, there it is.

01:33:27.000 That's what it looked like.

01:33:28.000 Wow.

01:33:29.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:33:30.000 So you could see the broadhead had embedded itself in one of the ribs.

01:33:34.000 So not only did the deer survive, but its body adapted and grew around the arrow.

01:33:39.000 Wow.

01:33:40.000 Actually, the reason I said that about that is insane about the animal was I know that Corvids, particularly crows, can remember.

01:33:40.000 Wow.

01:33:47.000 They can remember.

01:33:49.000 And then there's been instances where people have hurt crows and the crow's flown away and then a group of them have attacked the person.

01:33:56.000 Oh, yeah, they're really smart.

01:33:58.000 And ravens, I think, they're actually different than crows, and they're even smarter than crows.

01:34:03.000 Do you know there's a parrot?

01:34:05.000 What was that parrot?

01:34:07.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 Who told us about that?

01:34:11.000 Who was that the other day?

01:34:12.000 Was that Palmer?

01:34:13.000 Palmer Lucky?

01:34:15.000 I think so.

01:34:16.000 Oh, is that the dude with the helmet?

01:34:16.000 I think so.

01:34:18.000 Holy shit, that helmet, bro.

01:34:18.000 Yes.

01:34:20.000 Bro, that helmet's nuts.

01:34:21.000 That helmet's nuts.

01:34:22.000 That guy was, every now and then I get to sit down with someone and they start talking.

01:34:26.000 I go, whoa, this guy's fucking crazy smart.

01:34:30.000 Like weirdly smart.

01:34:31.000 Like, oh, okay, I got it.

01:34:33.000 I got it.

01:34:33.000 Like, tell me what you're doing.

01:34:35.000 And he was telling us about this parrot that actually would speak like a human toddler and new colors, new numbers, could say things, and would communicate.

01:34:46.000 African gray?

01:34:47.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:47.000 African grays.

01:34:49.000 They can have the IQ of a four-year-old child.

01:34:51.000 That is nuts.

01:34:52.000 When you see this thing talking, you're like...

01:34:55.000 And their imitation of sounds is like perfect.

01:35:00.000 Yeah, but you have to be around them all the time.

01:35:02.000 Right, right, right.

01:35:03.000 You have a twin that you have to take with you everywhere you go.

01:35:05.000 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 Really?

01:35:06.000 Because they just get pulled and fucked.

01:35:07.000 You get fucked up.

01:35:08.000 And then they're too smart.

01:35:09.000 They actually start chopping their own wings off and shit like that.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, because they don't get stimulation.

01:35:14.000 They get depressed.

01:35:14.000 They really need a lot of stimulation.

01:35:16.000 Really?

01:35:16.000 They're like humans.

01:35:17.000 I thought about owning a parrot, but I just traveled too much.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, you don't want that in your life.

01:35:22.000 That's too much work.

01:35:23.000 It's a commitment.

01:35:24.000 Yeah, if you leave it alone, it would be sad, too.

01:35:26.000 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

01:35:27.000 Yeah, they get mad.

01:35:28.000 I had a buddy of mine who had a parrot, and when he would leave it, he would come home and start screaming, where the fuck were you?

01:35:34.000 I wasn't really saying that, but it was like that was what it was saying.

01:35:37.000 It was screaming.

01:35:38.000 Why get married when you've got that? 0.99

01:35:40.000 And then he had to, upon coming home, immediately take it out and take it out and put it on his shoulder or put it in his hand.

01:35:46.000 And if you put it down for a second, it would start getting pissed off.

01:35:50.000 It's crazy.

01:35:50.000 I'm like, dude.

01:35:51.000 He goes, I know.

01:35:52.000 It's a lot.

01:35:53.000 He goes, I didn't think it was going to be this much.

01:35:54.000 I was like, it was a lot of work.

01:35:56.000 Joe, I'm not.

01:35:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 I hope I'm not being polite.

01:35:58.000 Have you got any of those cigars we always smoke?

01:36:00.000 I would love a cigar.

01:36:01.000 Let's go, baby.

01:36:03.000 It's a weird thing to ask to be.

01:36:04.000 These are really good.

01:36:05.000 I should have said, if you offer us a cigar, we'll accept one.

01:36:10.000 We have a big-ass humidor.

01:36:13.000 There is a lot of right here.

01:36:18.000 Bonobo chimps are very interesting like that as well.

01:36:20.000 They're the weirdest, right?

01:36:21.000 Because they just fuck all the time. 0.88

01:36:23.000 This might need some juice.

01:36:25.000 Let me give you a little juice.

01:36:26.000 Go for it.

01:36:27.000 They're weird because it's like, okay, so chimps can be either hippies or they can be, you know, like the worst barbarians in human history. 0.97

01:36:35.000 Just like us.

01:36:36.000 That's what's weird.

01:36:38.000 But also the bonobos, like, they don't have any, they have one rule.

01:36:42.000 The rule is the mom won't fuck the son. 1.00

01:36:44.000 That's it.

01:36:45.000 It's a good rule.

01:36:46.000 That's a good fucking rule, man.

01:36:47.000 They're a bunch of sister fuckers. 1.00

01:36:49.000 They're a bunch of sister fuckers and daughter fuckers. 1.00

01:36:52.000 But they're not motherfuckers.

01:36:54.000 They're probably dad fuckers, too.

01:36:55.000 They're probably fucking.

01:36:56.000 They're probably doing gay sex too. 0.91

01:36:58.000 They seem wild.

01:36:59.000 They're just having a good time.

01:37:00.000 So they're not homophobic.

01:37:02.000 No, not at all.

01:37:03.000 And they solve all their problems with that.

01:37:05.000 Do you need to cut these ones?

01:37:07.000 How do you...

01:37:10.000 Oh, and then you pull it up.

01:37:13.000 Sweatshirt, sweatshirt.

01:37:14.000 But you know they can learn sign language.

01:37:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:16.000 You know what's interesting, though?

01:37:18.000 They don't ask questions.

01:37:19.000 So they're like men.

01:37:22.000 But the parrot did.

01:37:24.000 The parrot did?

01:37:25.000 Yeah, the parrot asked questions.

01:37:26.000 The parrot had some questions about how things work.

01:37:29.000 The African greys are incredibly intelligent.

01:37:32.000 Incredibly intelligent.

01:37:33.000 Well, what I'm interested in is what happens when we can start really decoding dolphin language with AI.

01:37:39.000 Right.

01:37:40.000 And once they really understand what they're saying, then things are gonna get very strange.

01:37:44.000 Light it, I mean, yeah.

01:37:46.000 You know, because like, what are they, Like, silly smart.

01:37:53.000 Like, dolphins have enormous frontal lobes.

01:37:55.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:37:57.000 And communication.

01:38:01.000 They have dialects.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, they sound different.

01:38:05.000 Does that make sense?

01:38:06.000 I mean, that makes sense, right?

01:38:08.000 slightly different.

01:38:09.000 Well, on that note, you think...

01:38:13.000 Whales' brains are literally bigger than us.

01:38:16.000 They're enormous.

01:38:17.000 So if we're talking about brain size equals, which I'm...

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:23.000 Oh, is it?

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, because you need a big fucking brain to run a big body. 0.96

01:38:27.000 Yeah, right.

01:38:28.000 Right, which is also the argument for why the Neanderthals might have been dumber than us. 0.62

01:38:32.000 Well, they were.

01:38:34.000 They don't know that, though.

01:38:35.000 Really?

01:38:36.000 Yeah, they had pretty big brains.

01:38:37.000 What's weird about them is they also had language.

01:38:40.000 They had writing.

01:38:42.000 Or they had tools of writing.

01:38:46.000 No, they didn't have writing.

01:38:46.000 I don't think they had writing.

01:38:48.000 They had language, but they did do art.

01:38:51.000 That's what it is.

01:38:52.000 It wasn't writing necessarily, but they drew stuff.

01:38:56.000 And they had a brain that's bigger than ours.

01:38:59.000 But they were also like jacked.

01:39:01.000 They had bigger eyeballs.

01:39:03.000 There was a guy that there was a crazy theory that I'm sure is horseshit.

01:39:07.000 But it was cool.

01:39:09.000 He made Neanderthals look way different. 0.91

01:39:11.000 This guy had a theory.

01:39:13.000 we've never seen a live Neanderthal.

01:39:15.000 And he was like, what if we are getting it totally wrong?

01:39:18.000 And what if they were more gorilla-looking than we have their skulls and skeletons, don't we?

01:39:24.000 We have some stuff.

01:39:25.000 And they also think they have red hair.

01:39:28.000 But it was a fun theory.

01:39:28.000 Right, right.

01:39:29.000 But one of the more fun aspects of this guy's crack theory was that their eyeballs are so much bigger than ours.

01:39:35.000 Their sockets are really big.

01:39:37.000 It's like, what if they have night vision, like a deer or like a wolf, which is totally possible for a primate to have?

01:39:44.000 It's not like there's anything about being that kind of a mammal that would exclude you from being able to develop night vision eyesight.

01:39:51.000 Are there primates that have that?

01:39:53.000 I don't know.

01:39:54.000 Because there's mammals for sure.

01:39:55.000 Yeah, let's ask.

01:39:56.000 Let's ask perplexity.

01:39:58.000 Is there any...

01:40:06.000 You know that thing that like when you're driving and you're see a fox or something?

01:40:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:11.000 The reflective eyes that they all have.

01:40:13.000 What is that?

01:40:14.000 I don't know.

01:40:14.000 What's that called?

01:40:15.000 I don't know.

01:40:16.000 We should know.

01:40:17.000 Do you know, there's a very interesting theory about Neanderthals and Homo sapiens is there are some people who think that we are one of the few species or one of the only species that has the capacity to deceive and trick.

01:40:33.000 So there's a theory going around.

01:40:35.000 But monkeys do that. 0.99

01:40:37.000 Monkeys trick other monkeys into thinking there's an eagle coming, so they steal fruit.

01:40:42.000 Do they?

01:40:43.000 Yeah.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, they yell out the sound for eagle, and then all the monkeys run away and then they steal the fruit.

01:40:48.000 Oh, really?

01:40:49.000 Yeah.

01:40:50.000 So here it is, primates, the tarsier and the night monkey, owl monkey, are the species with the best vision adapted to night conditions.

01:40:57.000 Right.

01:40:58.000 Okay, so they do.

01:40:59.000 See, look at that.

01:41:00.000 Largest eyes relative to body size of any mammal.

01:41:04.000 So it's something about having a large eye.

01:41:06.000 Because if you, okay, so despite lacking a tapitum lucidum, the reflective layer that caused eye shine in many nocturnal animals.

01:41:16.000 Oh, that's what that is.

01:41:17.000 Their retinas contain an extremely high density of rod photoreceptors, which are highly sensitive to dim light.

01:41:24.000 This allows Tarsiers to detect and track prey, such as insects, in near darkness, and they can see in light as low as 0.001 lux, similar to moonless nights.

01:41:36.000 Damn.

01:41:38.000 So there's a bunch of different little primates.

01:41:41.000 Oh, Lorises.

01:41:42.000 Why?

01:41:42.000 I mean, if you were living in a time, especially if you didn't have fire, if you're living in a time where, you know, there's no roofs.

01:41:50.000 Like you're hunting.

01:41:51.000 You're outside at night.

01:41:52.000 You're probably spending as much time as you can hunting.

01:41:55.000 Because Neanderthals weren't gatherers.

01:41:57.000 They weren't farmers.

01:41:58.000 So all they did was hunt.

01:42:00.000 So they probably had some sort of night vision, which was wild.

01:42:04.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 The thing that I find interesting is I think there's a certain average person in Europe has around 3% Neanderthal.

01:42:14.000 DNA.

01:42:15.000 33%.

01:42:15.000 DNA.

01:42:17.000 If you're African, zero. 1.00

01:42:18.000 Right.

01:42:20.000 So it's just really interesting.

01:42:21.000 And you see some people and they kind of have more of the Neanderthal kind of appearance to them.

01:42:28.000 And then other people, and you go, what does that actually give you, that 3%?

01:42:28.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:42:33.000 What does it do?

01:42:34.000 Is there any discernible difference whatsoever?

01:42:36.000 Does it make you perhaps more athletic, more resilient?

01:42:40.000 It's a good question.

01:42:41.000 I mean, I think it would depend.

01:42:43.000 I mean, there's also a bunch of other weird strains of human that existed.

01:42:48.000 Like Dennis Ovens, and there's quite a few other ones.

01:42:52.000 Who knows what I think that Dennis Ovens, I think they definitely got into the gene pool too.

01:42:58.000 I forget who they were saying had high levels of Dennis Oven DNA.

01:43:02.000 It might have been Aboriginal Australians.

01:43:05.000 But, you know, there was a bunch of different types of human.

01:43:09.000 You know, we just figured out how to be the cuntiest and the most conniving and I think probably the most clever. 0.96

01:43:16.000 Well, Harare's, have you read Sapiens?

01:43:19.000 Well, his thesis is we worked out how to work together beyond the 150 Dunbar number.

01:43:25.000 That was his, his idea is basically we created these shared myths.

01:43:30.000 Religion, money, whatever, nation, all of the stuff that we all agree is real.

01:43:36.000 You know, it feels real.

01:43:37.000 Right.

01:43:38.000 But the reason we out-competed other species is that we could cooperate beyond our immediate tribal group.

01:43:47.000 And that's the reason.

01:43:49.000 That makes sense.

01:43:50.000 That makes sense.

01:43:51.000 There's also human beings have a very distinct desire to make better things all the time.

01:43:57.000 And if you have that and you're applying that to weapons, you're going to make the best weapons.

01:44:02.000 You know, I don't know if Neanderthals had that.

01:44:08.000 I mean, if you're going to make stuff, right?

01:44:10.000 If you're going to make tools, you must have some creativity and some desire to innovate.

01:44:16.000 And curiosity.

01:44:17.000 Curiosity, desire to innovate.

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:19.000 Because we know that, look, there's certain animals that will use weapons, right?

01:44:24.000 There's certain, like, there's a famous photograph of an orangutan that's spearfishing.

01:44:29.000 Have you ever seen it?

01:44:30.000 Yeah.

01:44:30.000 Photo?

01:44:31.000 But it learned how to do it from people.

01:44:33.000 And, you know, they'll use rocks to break open crabs and they'll do stuff like that. 0.99

01:44:38.000 But they're not fastening an arrowhead on a stick or a spear and they're making it with flint.

01:44:45.000 Neanderthals did that.

01:44:47.000 So they got to a level where they're like, okay, this is like craftsmanship.

01:44:51.000 Like this is sophisticated craftsmanship.

01:44:53.000 And it would also probably indicate some sort of a complex language that you could explain where you get the gut that you turn into fiber that you use to tie the arrowhead to the stick.

01:45:06.000 Like they were doing some high-level stuff for a primate.

01:45:12.000 I would imagine also a lot of the innovation comes once you have the agrarian revolution because there's now surplus food.

01:45:18.000 Yeah.

01:45:18.000 And so you can afford to have a bunch of guys sitting around not hunting, but like thinking about shit or inventing things or making things in a different way.

01:45:28.000 Did you see that discovery of a skull that was 500,000 years older than they thought was the origin of human beings?

01:45:36.000 So that it potentially pushes back the original Homo sapiens to 500,000 years earlier.

01:45:44.000 Is that real?

01:45:45.000 Yeah.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, they think it might push back the date.

01:45:48.000 I mean, it's under debate, I'm sure.

01:45:51.000 But I think they might push back the date of the arrival of Homo sapiens to a million years.

01:45:55.000 Wow.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 But it just shows how little we know about ancient civilizations.

01:46:02.000 Stonehenge in the UK, which is this iconic style.

01:46:07.000 No, I haven't.

01:46:08.000 You should go.

01:46:08.000 It's really.

01:46:09.000 It's real energy there, man.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, it's really impressive.

01:46:11.000 And like Constance said, there's a special energy and it's a profoundly moving place when you visit it.

01:46:16.000 You feel as if you have a connection to something else.

01:46:18.000 It's like going to the pyramids.

01:46:20.000 But they have no idea.

01:46:22.000 They have a rough idea of where the stones might have come from, but they've got no idea how they got there, how they erected them.

01:46:28.000 Joe Rogan arrested at Heathrow Airport.

01:46:28.000 You should go, man.

01:46:33.000 That would be a great fucking story.

01:46:35.000 I'm sure they can find some tweets for us, but just the things that I've said.

01:46:40.000 Does that count as social media?

01:46:41.000 The things that I've said talking shit about England?

01:46:43.000 Yeah, of course.

01:46:44.000 I'm sure they're going to be for that.

01:46:47.000 Maybe not, but why would I take that chance?

01:46:49.000 I could just look at a picture of Stonehenge.

01:46:54.000 The weird thing about that English countryside to me is the weirdest thing is the crop circle thing.

01:47:01.000 Because the crop circle thing, I used to think, was stupid.

01:47:04.000 I was like, so some people flattening things out with a board and making designs.

01:47:09.000 That's it.

01:47:10.000 And then I started watching some people that were actual scientists that were breaking down what's actually happening to these plants.

01:47:17.000 They're like, something weird's going on.

01:47:19.000 They're not just pushing these things down.

01:47:21.000 Whoever's making these, I'm not suggesting aliens are making them, but they're making them in a way where they're using energy and it's causing the nodes in these plants to burst.

01:47:34.000 And they're bending over and they're not snapping.

01:47:37.000 A lot of them are bent in place.

01:47:39.000 It's all very weird.

01:47:40.000 And they're woven.

01:47:41.000 There's no footprints in, no footprints out.

01:47:43.000 And some of them appear like overnight.

01:47:45.000 They're these massive geometric patterns.

01:47:48.000 It's really weird stuff.

01:47:50.000 Because if this is a coordinated effort, some of them are fractals and you see the fractals and they're caught across like what you would say of a soccer pitch, like bigger than that, bigger than a soccer field.

01:48:02.000 With massive fractal patterns perfectly woven into crops.

01:48:10.000 It's weird.

01:48:11.000 They're weird.

01:48:12.000 I don't think it's, I think some people made them by stomping on boards and moving them around.

01:48:18.000 But those you can kind of tell because they're different and they're not that sophisticated and they're not that impressive.

01:48:24.000 But there's been some ones that were, see if you pull up some of these giant fractal ones.

01:48:28.000 There's been a few where you see people in them, like that one.

01:48:31.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.000 You see people like standing in them and you go, oh fuck.

01:48:36.000 All right.

01:48:37.000 Look how small those people are.

01:48:37.000 Wow.

01:48:39.000 Like on the left, that's people, right?

01:48:40.000 So this appeared overnight.

01:48:43.000 What?

01:48:43.000 Yes.

01:48:44.000 Overnight.

01:48:45.000 And some of them like this have appeared in an afternoon where a guy has flown his small plane over a field, worked, and then flown his small plane back.

01:48:56.000 And all of a sudden, this massive fractal geometric pattern is in these crops.

01:49:04.000 And what's weird is some of them look like they have messages and some of them just look like patterns.

01:49:10.000 And one of them was the Mandelbrot set.

01:49:14.000 Okay, the Mandelbrot set is a particularly complex fracture, fractal rather, that I think right after it was discovered was when it appeared in a crop circle.

01:49:26.000 Like not long after.

01:49:28.000 Like look at this.

01:49:29.000 They're woven.

01:49:30.000 Wow.

01:49:31.000 This is weird stuff.

01:49:32.000 This is in England, right?

01:49:33.000 Exactly.

01:49:34.000 A lot of them are in England.

01:49:36.000 And I've always wondered, like, what is that about?

01:49:39.000 And you could say, oh, man, it's just bullshit.

01:49:42.000 It's people fucking around.

01:49:44.000 It might be.

01:49:45.000 It might be.

01:49:45.000 But if it is, it's the most incredible hoax of all time.

01:49:48.000 Because the people that did say that they did it when they asked him, there's a couple friends who were making crop circles.

01:49:55.000 And they said, show us how you do it.

01:49:56.000 And they showed them how they do it.

01:49:57.000 But the stuff they made wasn't shit.

01:49:59.000 It wasn't shit.

01:50:00.000 It wasn't like this.

01:50:01.000 They would have a string and they would step on this board and they would do it in a circle so that they made sure it was a circle.

01:50:07.000 But it wasn't this.

01:50:09.000 You guys, something's going on.

01:50:10.000 Like whatever that is, someone's fucking with somebody. 0.81

01:50:13.000 There's some sort of technology that we're not aware of.

01:50:16.000 That kind of makes sense to me because if we know that direct energy weapons are real, right?

01:50:21.000 So if this is saying that they're creating this with microwave energy or something similar to that, that's making these nodes burst.

01:50:28.000 See if you can find the burst nodes of crop circles.

01:50:31.000 Because that's what's weird.

01:50:32.000 Like some of them, it's almost like a microwave cooking something and it pops like a hot dog.

01:50:37.000 That's what it looks like.

01:50:39.000 And if you had a weapon, not a weapon, but a thing that you could point down from a satellite and you could make a geometric pattern in crops.

01:50:49.000 You could just burn it into the crop like instantaneously.

01:50:52.000 Why wouldn't you do that?

01:50:53.000 Just to show that you could do it.

01:50:55.000 Look how cool this is.

01:50:56.000 Look at this thing that we invented.

01:50:57.000 This is a direct energy weapon, but if you use it low level, you can literally imprint a geometric pattern into crops.

01:51:04.000 No footprints in, no footprints out.

01:51:07.000 I mean, they're like, oh, aliens are trying to leave messages.

01:51:10.000 Or high-level government agencies that are using black-funded operations and misappropriating funds in line of Congress have developed a way to fucking take fractals and beam them into fields.

01:51:26.000 Man, some of the stuff, like the war in Ukraine has accelerated technological development of weapons in a way that, like the drone warfare that's going on right now, nuts.

01:51:35.000 It's fucking crazy.

01:51:36.000 Nuts.

01:51:37.000 Like the next war that's good. 1.00

01:51:39.000 If there's another big war between like two big countries, that's going to be like something we used to watch in the movies, man.

01:51:47.000 It already is in a way.

01:51:48.000 They have these like drones because they've worked out how to jam them or hijack them.

01:51:52.000 So now they're on a fiber octave cable that's like 10 kilometers long.

01:51:56.000 Yeah, and then birds are taking them and making nests out of them.

01:51:58.000 Right.

01:51:59.000 It's fucking insane.

01:52:00.000 That's the only photo I see that comes up.

01:52:02.000 Okay.

01:52:04.000 Well, they had burst.

01:52:05.000 That's that one, the white one in the center.

01:52:08.000 Yeah, that one right there.

01:52:09.000 So you could see how these things, they're expanded out in some weird way.

01:52:14.000 Like energy.

01:52:15.000 Not like they're broken, but like that they got hit with something, like a focused energy that made them bend over in that pattern.

01:52:23.000 Like, look at all this.

01:52:24.000 Look how weird that is.

01:52:26.000 And this has been documented at a lot of the really complex ones.

01:52:30.000 And that's why it's strange.

01:52:31.000 Like, look at the, look at that one in the center that looks like a maze.

01:52:34.000 I mean, what the fuck, man?

01:52:37.000 Jamie, what's the official explanation of how these things are made?

01:52:41.000 Everything I'm looking up says there's people that have admitted to making most of them, and they've been proven to be made a lot of times.

01:52:48.000 I'm sure they made a bunch of them.

01:52:50.000 I'm just, that's what I'm saying.

01:52:50.000 That's all.

01:52:51.000 Yeah.

01:52:52.000 I think people are a little dismissive of the weirdness of this.

01:52:56.000 Because there are some of these.

01:52:56.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 Like, that's the Mandelbrot set.

01:52:59.000 That one right there, that fractal.

01:53:01.000 When did it appear after the Mandelbrot set?

01:53:04.000 It was in 91.

01:53:06.000 Okay, these are obviously man-made.

01:53:07.000 They're far too symmetrical for that.

01:53:09.000 Obviously, not man-made.

01:53:10.000 Obviously, not man-made.

01:53:11.000 Excuse me.

01:53:12.000 Far too symmetrical for that.

01:53:13.000 This is in Cambridge Weekly News, but that's someone's opinion.

01:53:18.000 When did the Mandelbrot set first get discovered as a fractal?

01:53:24.000 What is the origin of the Mandelbrot set?

01:53:24.000 Just in general.

01:53:26.000 When was the origin date for the discovery of the Mandelbrot set?

01:53:31.000 It's just a very complex.

01:53:32.000 It's really cool if you watch a 3D version of the Mandelbrot set.

01:53:41.000 Discovered, I guess?

01:53:42.000 I guess discovered or created.

01:53:44.000 Because they're really just discovering something that's geometry.

01:53:48.000 So in 1980?

01:53:50.000 1970?

01:53:52.000 Was first roughly drawn by mathematicians?

01:53:56.000 78 or less than 80.

01:53:59.000 Okay, and then first visualized in high quality in March 1st of 1980.

01:54:03.000 And that thing was from 1991.

01:54:05.000 Is that what it was from?

01:54:06.000 Yeah, and this says that it was so close to Cambridge that it was most likely.

01:54:10.000 Cocksuckers.

01:54:11.000 You got me.

01:54:13.000 See if you can find a 3D video of the Mandelbrot set.

01:54:19.000 Because it's so weird when you see what this thing really is.

01:54:23.000 Like, fractals are very strange because there's something about them that resonates with your brain goes, oh, this is how the universe is.

01:54:32.000 You know, because I tend to think that's really what's going on.

01:54:35.000 Especially when you look at human brain tissue versus a map of the universe.

01:54:42.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:54:43.000 Like human neural maps and then a map of the actual universe itself?

01:54:47.000 You're like, that's a little too close.

01:54:50.000 That's kind of dead on the money.

01:54:51.000 They look exactly the same.

01:54:53.000 It looks like it's exactly the same thing.

01:54:56.000 And it's completely like if you believe in infinity and if the universe is infinite.

01:55:03.000 Wow.

01:55:04.000 So this is a 3D version of the Mandelbrot set.

01:55:07.000 Wow.

01:55:08.000 So as you get closer and closer.

01:55:13.000 This is not the one I'm looking for.

01:55:14.000 This is like an artist's rendition of it.

01:55:17.000 But a 3D video of it will show like how the closer you get, it becomes bigger again, and then it goes into another thing, and then you get close to that one, and then it becomes bigger again.

01:55:29.000 And it's just the fractal nature of it.

01:55:31.000 And then you think about like, okay, if the universe is infinite, that it's not even...

01:55:37.000 Get to that one.

01:55:38.000 If the universe is infinite, it's not even remotely absurd to think that the whole universe is just human neural tissue of another creature that lives in another universe.

01:55:47.000 And hopefully this dude doesn't blow his own brains out because that might be the Big Bang.

01:55:51.000 The Big Bang, the Big Bang might be the guy who is our universe.

01:55:57.000 He's depressed.

01:55:59.000 And he would explain it.

01:56:00.000 That kind of explains a lot.

01:56:02.000 And he hates his job, and he's going to stick a gun in his mouth.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:07.000 Yeah, isn't that nuts?

01:56:08.000 Like, this is the...

01:56:08.000 Yeah.

01:56:12.000 Now, see if you can find a photo that compares human neural tissue with the universe.

01:56:21.000 You ever seen, you know, that image I'm talking about, Jamie?

01:56:25.000 That thing of disappearing, it gave me a flashback to when I broke my arm.

01:56:28.000 They took me to the hospital and they gave me ketamine.

01:56:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:33.000 Fucking hell, man.

01:56:34.000 I thought I died.

01:56:36.000 I literally, I thought I felt myself disappear into this thing, and I was like, okay, that's it.

01:56:40.000 I'm done.

01:56:41.000 Wow.

01:56:42.000 And then.

01:56:43.000 Was it fun?

01:56:44.000 No.

01:56:46.000 It was not remotely fucking fun.

01:56:48.000 Was it fun when you thought you died, Constantine?

01:56:50.000 No, it wasn't.

01:56:51.000 Look at that.

01:56:52.000 Look at those two things.

01:56:54.000 Look at these two things.

01:56:55.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:56:56.000 One of them is human brain cells.

01:57:00.000 What is exactly?

01:57:01.000 What is the image exactly?

01:57:03.000 It's human neural tissue, right?

01:57:04.000 Is that what it is?

01:57:06.000 I'm good at neural pathway.

01:57:07.000 Well, let's find out what it is so we could say it and not sound totally stupid.

01:57:10.000 So what does it say?

01:57:13.000 I can't read that.

01:57:16.000 Cells, image cells.

01:57:17.000 brain cells.

01:57:19.000 Yeah.

01:57:19.000 And they're connected.

01:57:20.000 Remarkably similar to our own brain cells and the connections.

01:57:23.000 Remarkably similar.

01:57:25.000 That's okay.

01:57:26.000 So the left is a brain cell.

01:57:27.000 The right is the universe.

01:57:29.000 That dude's going to put a gun in his mouth and go, I'm done.

01:57:32.000 And right now he's dressed like a furry and he just pooped his pants.

01:57:35.000 He's like, I've had enough.

01:57:37.000 I've had enough.

01:57:38.000 That's what I love about thinking about the universe.

01:57:40.000 It's like the illusion of control of.

01:57:44.000 Yeah.

01:57:44.000 It's like, we don't matter.

01:57:45.000 We don't control shit.

01:57:46.000 Right.

01:57:47.000 And also the outrage that you have is greatly accelerated by the fact that light pollution has robbed you from this perspective.

01:57:54.000 You can't look up and see the cosmos and all its glory anymore.

01:57:58.000 So the more we're deprived of that, the more ridiculous we get because we're never just faced with the awe of the universe.

01:58:04.000 Like they're like, whoa.

01:58:07.000 When you see a sky that's just filled with stars, there's something about that that's so humbling and so wild and so incredible.

01:58:15.000 I've been in a place in Armenia which had, I think, one of the biggest observatories in the Soviet Union.

01:58:21.000 And you go up on the mountain, we don't need any equipment.

01:58:24.000 You basically don't see the sky.

01:58:25.000 You just see stars.

01:58:27.000 Like the entire sky is completely lit up by the stars.

01:58:30.000 That's so nuts.

01:58:31.000 Yeah.

01:58:32.000 And when you think about it, when everybody's on their phones now, what do you do when you're on your phone?

01:58:37.000 You look down.

01:58:38.000 It's the absolute, complete opposite of looking up into the stars.

01:58:38.000 Right.

01:58:42.000 It really is.

01:58:43.000 So as a result, you go, well, no wonder we're so completely self-obsessed, narcissistic, solipsistic, whatever word you want to use, because we're completely looking down into ourselves.

01:58:55.000 Well, actually, if you look up and you see that, you become humble.

01:58:59.000 You realize of your own insignificance, your mortality.

01:59:02.000 You're not even looking into yourself.

01:59:02.000 Yeah.

01:59:04.000 You're really just being overwhelmed by nonsense.

01:59:06.000 You're getting these tiny little dopamine hits, staring at horseshit.

01:59:11.000 I watched four videos today of kids playing with baby goats.

01:59:14.000 I didn't get anything out of that.

01:59:16.000 It was cute.

01:59:18.000 But I could have been doing things instead of just sitting there staring at it.

01:59:22.000 I think the super opposite of that, but the looking down thing is sort of a thing.

01:59:26.000 A lot of reflective pools back in ancient times were used to monitor stars.

01:59:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:59:32.000 No, that's true.

01:59:33.000 Yes.

01:59:35.000 That way you don't have to hurt your neck.

01:59:38.000 You can figure out the stars.

01:59:39.000 That's also a crazy thing, right?

01:59:41.000 Because how many ancient civilizations use the stars and use the constellations to align their buildings?

01:59:48.000 You know, the Egyptians did it. 0.98

01:59:49.000 The Mayans did it.

01:59:50.000 Temple of Abu Simbel. 0.84

01:59:52.000 Yeah.

01:59:53.000 Where it was done, and they still don't know how they did it mathematically.

01:59:56.000 So there was a beam of light coming from the top at a certain point, and it would hit the altar.

02:00:01.000 Stonehenge is like that.

02:00:02.000 Yep.

02:00:03.000 Is it on the summer solstice, everything lines up?

02:00:05.000 Yeah.

02:00:06.000 You know, this is one of the things we just had the historian Dan Dan Snow, right?

02:00:10.000 And we talked about the history of England, and one of the things you were talking about is Stonehenge.

02:00:15.000 And I watched a documentary in which he was saying, well, you know, in many ways, the people were living during this time, they were really like us.

02:00:22.000 And I was thinking, no, they were fucking not.

02:00:24.000 No, they were fucking not.

02:00:26.000 Think about the investment of time, resources that it would take them to build Stonehenge.

02:00:33.000 Right.

02:00:34.000 And this is not a thing that has a functional purpose in the way that we would understand it.

02:00:39.000 We would not invest a quarter of our GDP into building a stone structure that aligns with the sun.

02:00:46.000 And they don't really even know when they did it.

02:00:49.000 No.

02:00:49.000 Right.

02:00:49.000 They're just guessing.

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:51.000 Yeah.

02:00:51.000 Totally.

02:00:52.000 And when you get to, we get to weird stuff like Gobekli Tepe, where they didn't even think people were capable of doing that 11,000 years ago.

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:01:00.000 And it was purposely covered up 11,000 years ago.

02:01:03.000 And you find these giant stone columns, and you're like, we don't know anything.

02:01:08.000 We don't know what these people were up to.

02:01:11.000 This is kind of kooky.

02:01:12.000 And how they thought.

02:01:13.000 I remember when I was on tour with Jordan, him and I were talking one night.

02:01:19.000 And I don't know what it was a weird experience.

02:01:21.000 It sounds crazy, but when I was spending time with him, we were talking a lot.

02:01:25.000 The way I saw things slightly changed.

02:01:28.000 Like the images Became more like vivid in my head.

02:01:33.000 And one of the things he was talking about is the mindset of, say, like there were certain tribes that would sacrifice one of their children for some kind of reason, right?

02:01:43.000 Something like that.

02:01:44.000 And when he was talking, I suddenly had this vision of being there.

02:01:50.000 And he said, now think about what that's like.

02:01:52.000 What do you have to believe and how do you have to think to be willing to sacrifice your own child for something?

02:01:59.000 Willingly.

02:02:00.000 Right.

02:02:01.000 Now think of the bond with your children.

02:02:01.000 Willingly.

02:02:04.000 For you to think that that is the right thing to do, you've got to be a different human being to the three of us.

02:02:11.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 And you've got to be, first of all, probably real comfortable with death.

02:02:16.000 Because back then, I bet people died real easy and real often.

02:02:20.000 And also, maybe you've got to be really fucking terrified of something.

02:02:23.000 Really terrified of something and really believe that if you don't do this, like everyone's going to die.

02:02:28.000 You have to sacrifice one kid or we're all doomed.

02:02:31.000 But you know, in different, like I remember in Venezuela, I this is quite a depressing story, but in big places like South America, they are far more comfortable with death than we are.

02:02:31.000 Right.

02:02:31.000 Yeah.

02:02:42.000 Like, I remember I met this girl at this party when I was 18 years old.

02:02:46.000 I really liked her.

02:02:47.000 There was a little bit of a vibe going on, but I knew she liked my friends, so I didn't do anything.

02:02:51.000 And I went home back to the UK.

02:02:53.000 I came back a year later and I said to my friend, hey, Diana, that girl I was talking to, what's she up to now?

02:02:59.000 And he went, well, you didn't know.

02:03:00.000 I went, no.

02:03:01.000 He went, she was in a car driving down the motorway.

02:03:05.000 She was getting chased by some dude.

02:03:07.000 She tried to outrun him, lost control of the car, hit a wall, the car burst into flames. 0.98

02:03:12.000 I was like, and he went, anyway, dude, you want a beer?

02:03:15.000 Because when you're in those kind of cultures and people were died or kidnapped, it becomes, you know, you simply can't have that visceral reaction all the time because it overtakes you, it paralyzes you, and you can't function.

02:03:30.000 Jesus.

02:03:31.000 So people in Venezuela will get kidnapped on the weekend and on the Monday, they're back at work.

02:03:36.000 Oh, boy.

02:03:38.000 Jesus.

02:03:40.000 So I think a lot of it is adaptive, you know?

02:03:42.000 Yeah, well, people definitely adapt to all sorts of crazy environments.

02:03:47.000 I mean, you see that all over the world.

02:03:48.000 And the problem is you'll see people living, you know, like, say, villagers in the Congo do. 0.99

02:03:55.000 And you're like, oh, that's so different than me.

02:03:57.000 Like, no, bitch, you just don't live there. 1.00

02:04:00.000 If you lived there, that would be exactly how you would live.

02:04:02.000 You would live just like them because that's all they can do.

02:04:04.000 They have no way out.

02:04:05.000 So they're stuck here, and you would be too.

02:04:07.000 Especially if you have no access to other information or other cultural values or anything.

02:04:11.000 Exactly.

02:04:12.000 Exactimo.

02:04:13.000 Which is why we need Mormons to be missionaries so they can travel to these places and teach these people.

02:04:18.000 That story.

02:04:19.000 I feel bad laughing at someone being killed, but that story about the guy who went to that island.

02:04:23.000 Yeah, he wasn't a Mormon.

02:04:24.000 He went to North Sentinel Island.

02:04:26.000 North Sentinel Island is particularly odd because that place, that area had been invaded by this guy.

02:04:34.000 When Jamie comes back, I'll have him look up the story.

02:04:38.000 The guy, there was a, God, I forget his name.

02:04:42.000 But he was a pervert.

02:04:44.000 And he would go to these islands and make these guys dress up like Roman soldiers.

02:04:48.000 And he would write down in his journal the size of their testicles.

02:04:53.000 Like, this one had testicles the size of a sparrow's egg.

02:04:56.000 He was a total freak.

02:04:58.000 And he also kidnapped people from that island and gave a bunch of people the flu.

02:05:04.000 So he kidnapped people and gave them flu or some sort of disease.

02:05:08.000 And two old people died and then they returned the kids back to the island. 0.99

02:05:12.000 So they all had horrific stories about these white people that would visit and measure your dicks and give you a flu. 0.73

02:05:19.000 And so when that kid came and tried to give them the Bibles, he didn't know the history.

02:05:25.000 He didn't know that these people had like a severe rejection of these settlers.

02:05:30.000 They were a little bit of a boat.

02:05:32.000 People died and then, you know, they told these stories around the campfire.

02:05:35.000 Some guy who comes and measures your dick and then everyone dies.

02:05:39.000 Like these were like, that was their folklore.

02:05:41.000 So when he showed up, like, you know, trying to convert these people, like, they weren't hearing it.

02:05:48.000 No, they were like, don't touch my dick, dude. 0.98

02:05:50.000 Yeah.

02:05:50.000 They're like, I know what you're up to.

02:05:53.000 I heard the story from my grandpa at the campfire.

02:05:56.000 Yeah.

02:05:57.000 That place is nuts.

02:05:58.000 It's only 39 people living there.

02:06:00.000 Size of Manhattan.

02:06:01.000 Really?

02:06:02.000 Size of Manhattan, middle of the Indian Ocean.

02:06:02.000 Yeah.

02:06:04.000 And the people living there are the direct descendants of people who left Africa 50,000 years ago.

02:06:09.000 Wow.

02:06:10.000 some of them just stayed on that island.

02:06:11.000 And then it got to be a very small genetic diversity.

02:06:15.000 You know, there's only a very small amount of people on that island.

02:06:18.000 That's where things get real weird.

02:06:19.000 It's like, you kind of got to leave them there now.

02:06:22.000 You know?

02:06:23.000 Yeah, there's no coming back, is there?

02:06:24.000 What are you going to do?

02:06:25.000 You're going to teach them how to make stuff?

02:06:27.000 Like, what are you going to do?

02:06:28.000 Show them how to make a boat?

02:06:29.000 This is how you make a car.

02:06:30.000 It's like, what are you going to do?

02:06:32.000 That's their culture.

02:06:34.000 They're isolated from the entire world.

02:06:36.000 And they have been for giant chunks of history, except for when dudes came over to measure their dicks.

02:06:43.000 Can you imagine?

02:06:44.000 That was your only reference for white people.

02:06:47.000 Well, there was another boat that the dick measure was here. 0.76

02:06:52.000 And they invaded the boat.

02:06:53.000 They were going after the people in the boat, and they got out just in time.

02:06:55.000 They got rescued just in time.

02:06:57.000 And that's how they started getting metal because they didn't have metal up until then.

02:07:01.000 So they were taking pieces of the boat and using it to fashion weapons with.

02:07:05.000 Wow.

02:07:06.000 They didn't have any metal up until that point.

02:07:08.000 You know, what's really interesting is how some things still resonate.

02:07:13.000 I was talking to Constantine about the Greek myths and how I was really obsessed with them when I was a kid.

02:07:20.000 And when I was teaching, I used to teach Greek myths to my kids.

02:07:23.000 And they would all love it.

02:07:24.000 And I remember thinking, going, why is it that these stories, which are thousands of years old, resonate with a group of 11-year-old kids in the 21st century in East London who are all addicted to their iPhones?

02:07:37.000 But then you look at it and you look at, for instance, the story of Narcissus, the guy who falls in love with his own reflection in the lake and drowns in the lake.

02:07:45.000 And you go, well, that could be about now.

02:07:47.000 Yeah.

02:07:48.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:07:49.000 Like with social media, the guy who just becomes so obsessed, he becomes one with social media until the point that it obliterates everything and he loses all his identity.

02:07:59.000 I wonder if that's the origin of it.

02:08:00.000 I wonder if this is a repeating cycle.

02:08:02.000 What if the Egyptians had social media?

02:08:06.000 What if those people had AI?

02:08:07.000 What if they had everything that we think they didn't have because there's nothing left over because it all got absorbed by the earth and we're just making assumptions?

02:08:15.000 What if it's a cycle?

02:08:16.000 What if these people get to a point where they figure out something amazing and then they fuck it up and become cave people again and have to rebuild over and over and over again?

02:08:25.000 That's the difference with AI, isn't it?

02:08:27.000 Because up to that point, you go, all technology really does is amplify our natural human nature in every way.

02:08:35.000 The ancient Egyptians were jealous of their sister and fucking all of this shit, right? 0.97

02:08:40.000 But AI isn't human.

02:08:41.000 Right.

02:08:42.000 And that's where I think it gets interesting.

02:08:46.000 This is my craziest speculation: is that whenever I'm reading religious texts, I'm always trying to figure out: okay, what was the original story?

02:08:56.000 What were they documenting?

02:08:57.000 Like, what were they trying to record and pass down?

02:09:01.000 What really happened?

02:09:02.000 What really is the book of Enoch all about?

02:09:05.000 Have you told that for a thousand years before anybody bothered writing it down and it gets translated?

02:09:10.000 And who knows what it means?

02:09:11.000 Who knows what was the event?

02:09:14.000 If Jesus is born of a virgin mother, what is more virgin than a computer?

02:09:20.000 If our Savior comes to us from a virgin mother and it's born out of this technology and it becomes some insanely intelligent, benevolent force in the world.

02:09:39.000 And then the Muslims kill him. 1.00

02:09:41.000 They bomb him.

02:09:44.000 Or the Romans or whoever's in charge. 0.97

02:09:46.000 Maybe it's the U.S. government this time.

02:09:48.000 Maybe we kill him.

02:09:50.000 Maybe he just disrupts President Kamala's second term.

02:09:55.000 They decide to nuke Jesus.

02:09:56.000 Have you ever been to the Middle East?

02:09:58.000 No.

02:09:58.000 I've been to parts.

02:09:59.000 I've been to Abu Dhabi and I've been to Dubai.

02:10:02.000 What do you think?

02:10:04.000 You know, Abu Dhabi is very nice.

02:10:07.000 It's incredible how much money they have, right?

02:10:09.000 We did a UFC down there, and it was like, wow, you just realize this is kind of crazy.

02:10:15.000 They have so much money.

02:10:17.000 And Dubai also, it's like, God, there's so much money.

02:10:20.000 Everywhere you look, there's Ferraris and Bentleys and Rolls-Royce.

02:10:24.000 It's like kind of crazy.

02:10:25.000 I have a friend who lived in Dubai for quite a while, and he's American.

02:10:29.000 And he was saying, dude, you could leave a Rolex on the street and people would turn it in.

02:10:34.000 And I'm like, really?

02:10:35.000 It's like, yeah, no one steals anything.

02:10:37.000 There's no crime.

02:10:39.000 But you have to, you know, you're run by a king.

02:10:43.000 Yeah.

02:10:44.000 But it's interesting with some of the Gulf countries now.

02:10:46.000 They're so they're moving forward at such a rapid rate culturally as well.

02:10:50.000 You know, I have a friend in Saudi who's a woman. 0.96

02:10:53.000 She's like super excited about the way things are going, you know?

02:10:56.000 Right, and this is the difference between Muslims and Islamists, which you were talking about.

02:11:00.000 Well, right.

02:11:01.000 So if you talk to Emiratis, for example, right, there's nobody they hate more than the Muslim Brotherhood.

02:11:08.000 The Muslim Brotherhood is like the central tumor and the Hamas ISIS and whatever. 0.99

02:11:12.000 They're like little metastatic treatments, basically.

02:11:17.000 And the Muslim Brotherhood is a threat to them way more than it is even to us in the West. 0.99

02:11:23.000 Because, you know, I'm sure you've heard after a terrorist attack, everyone's like, well, actually, Muslims are the biggest victims of Islamist terrorism. 0.68

02:11:32.000 It's true.

02:11:33.000 Because what's happening in the Middle East is there's effectively a war between the people who want to live in a nation-state, they want to live in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc., Bahrain, whatever, and the people who want that to be one religious caliphate with Sharia law.

02:11:50.000 That's what's happening.

02:11:51.000 That's the battle.

02:11:53.000 So those Muslim countries understand Islamist extremism way better than we do.

02:11:58.000 Have you ever seen that video of the UAE foreign minister?

02:12:01.000 He was talking in the maybe 2010s, maybe like 2012, something like that, maybe even earlier.

02:12:08.000 And he basically predicts, he says, you in Europe don't understand what you're dealing with.

02:12:14.000 And because of your bullshit, because of your political correctness, you are going to have terrorism and violence on your streets.

02:12:21.000 He predicted all of it because they understand Islamist terrorism way better than we do. 0.98

02:12:28.000 That's why, you know, people, you know, the Arab street is a different thing, but the people who are in power in those countries hate Hamas more than anyone.

02:12:37.000 They hate Hamas more than anybody because they just go, these are the people that want to kill us too.

02:12:43.000 And I think part of the problem as well is that we have liberalism in our country.

02:12:48.000 So we're saying, you know, it's a marketplace of ideas.

02:12:50.000 We need to talk.

02:12:51.000 We need to share.

02:12:53.000 But what happens is then you've got an Islamic fundamentalist preaching, converting people to Islamism.

02:13:01.000 And you go, our way of combating this simply isn't adequate.

02:13:06.000 It isn't adequate to deal with this civilizational threat, which is what it is.

02:13:11.000 And if you come from an Islamic background, you understand it far more because you are from a culture, you're from a similar culture.

02:13:19.000 So you see effectively what this is, which is like a cancerous version of Islam. 1.00

02:13:25.000 And so you're better able to understand it.

02:13:27.000 And by being better able to understand it, you're far more able to tackle that problem.

02:13:32.000 One of the things that I find interesting about people that are very upset about the Gaza conflict is that they don't have anything to say about the Hamas executions that have been going on lately.

02:13:45.000 Right.

02:13:45.000 The public executions.

02:13:46.000 Do you need the latter?

02:13:47.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 Those public executions are fucking horrific, man.

02:13:51.000 It's wild to watch.

02:13:54.000 And I unfortunately have been sent some of the torture videos too.

02:13:58.000 They're breaking people's bones.

02:14:00.000 And I don't know if they think these are guys that collaborated with Israel.

02:14:03.000 Is that what the it's more of a power struggle?

02:14:06.000 Like they want to reassert their authority.

02:14:06.000 Yeah.

02:14:08.000 I mean, if you think back to the Trump 21-point peace plan, the central point.

02:14:14.000 Here you go, John.

02:14:16.000 I'm going to get this one to work.

02:14:17.000 Hang on.

02:14:19.000 I'm stubborn.

02:14:21.000 No, I'm going to.

02:14:21.000 I want to.

02:14:22.000 I'm going to first.

02:14:24.000 I just don't know why it's not working.

02:14:25.000 But go ahead.

02:14:27.000 So the original Trump 21-point peace plan, the central premise of that was Hamas disarm and Hamas people leave Gaza.

02:14:37.000 Right.

02:14:38.000 And until you have that, you're not going to have peace because this is what these people do.

02:14:38.000 Right.

02:14:42.000 The moment the fighting stops, they come out, they reassert their authority, they kill anyone who's not with them.

02:14:47.000 And they, you know, they're going to attack Israelis. 1.00

02:14:49.000 The Israelis are going to attack back. 0.92

02:14:50.000 And then we're back to where we started.

02:14:53.000 The amazing thing President Trump has been able to achieve is getting the hostages out.

02:14:57.000 That's fucking.

02:14:58.000 He deserves so much credit for That boy, imagine what those fucking people have been through.

02:14:58.000 Yeah.

02:15:02.000 Oh, man.

02:15:04.000 I mean, I don't know if there's enough MDA in the world to help you get over that.

02:15:09.000 Two years.

02:15:10.000 Imagine two years of living with those.

02:15:14.000 I mean, what did they do to them?

02:15:16.000 And they were being told a bunch of shit as well.

02:15:18.000 Like, Israel has been destroyed.

02:15:18.000 I'm sure.

02:15:20.000 Your family's disowned you.

02:15:22.000 Like, mental torture as well.

02:15:24.000 I'm sure.

02:15:25.000 Yeah.

02:15:26.000 Every day you wake up, you look at this guy and you're like, this guy would kill me in an instant.

02:15:31.000 And not only would he feel...

02:15:38.000 There's that horrific footage from October 7th where it was a Hamas terrorist killed 10 people.

02:15:46.000 The first thing he did after slaughtering 10 people is he called his dad and was like, Dad, look what this is what I've done.

02:15:54.000 And his dad was celebrating and then he went, put mum on the phone.

02:15:59.000 And then mum was on the phone and mum was celebrating.

02:16:02.000 And you go.

02:16:04.000 I think part of the problem when we talk about this conflict is, again, it goes back.

02:16:09.000 We just don't understand that way of viewing the world.

02:16:12.000 It's so utterly alien to us because we haven't been indoctrinated into that mindset.

02:16:17.000 We were all talking about Israel and the way Israel feels about Palestine in the green room the other day.

02:16:24.000 And we were like, just imagine if you lived in Israel and you're a Jew and everybody else hates you.

02:16:30.000 All the people around you hate you.

02:16:32.000 Like, do you know how tense that must be?

02:16:36.000 How insane that relationship must be?

02:16:39.000 And I'm not excusing anything they've done, but the idea that they would behave the way we behave is kind of ludicrous.

02:16:48.000 Correct.

02:16:49.000 It's kind of ludicrous.

02:16:50.000 We would behave the way they behave.

02:16:51.000 If they did that to us, we would do if we lived in that environment, if Canada and Mexico were both like wanted us dead, you know, if that was their goal, ultimately, if their stated religious goal was the death of the United States, we would be crazy.

02:17:09.000 We would be invading Canada every week.

02:17:12.000 We'd be fucking Canada up all the time.

02:17:14.000 We wouldn't want them to have weapons.

02:17:16.000 We wouldn't want them to have government.

02:17:18.000 We wouldn't want them to have anything.

02:17:19.000 And we wouldn't be talking about a ceasefire.

02:17:21.000 We'd be talking about dealing with the threat.

02:17:23.000 Right.

02:17:23.000 Yeah.

02:17:24.000 Yeah, we would talk about.

02:17:25.000 I mean, look, all we did was differ with them economically, and Trump tried to turn them into a state.

02:17:31.000 He said, I called him Governor Judea.

02:17:34.000 First, I was just joking.

02:17:35.000 Then a lot of people told me it was a good idea.

02:17:38.000 Yeah, I think that single-handedly ruined Canada.

02:17:41.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 That idea.

02:17:43.000 I mean, that's the Republican Party or their version of the Conservative Party.

02:17:47.000 They were on the way out.

02:17:48.000 They were fucked.

02:17:49.000 And all of a sudden, the whole country united because Trump's trying to turn them into a state.

02:17:53.000 Polyev has got to be angry about that shit, man.

02:17:56.000 He has to be so bad.

02:17:57.000 It was logical and reasonable.

02:17:59.000 And everybody's like, let's try that for a while.

02:18:01.000 Do you know what?

02:18:02.000 That was the ultimate cock block.

02:18:04.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:18:05.000 You're in the bar.

02:18:06.000 It's about to happen with the girl.

02:18:08.000 It's going down.

02:18:09.000 You're like, oh, I'm so going to get back.

02:18:09.000 It's going down.

02:18:12.000 Yeah, I'm so going to get like Trump pops up, whispers something in her ear, and all of a sudden it's fucking over.

02:18:17.000 You know he's gay. 0.70

02:18:19.000 He's definitely going to have some kissing.

02:18:23.000 You can't trust him.

02:18:24.000 But coming back to your point about people not talking about the Hamas executions, one thing I also noticed is a lot of people didn't seem to be happy there was a ceasefire.

02:18:31.000 The very ones that had been calling for one.

02:18:33.000 Well, they didn't want Trump to do it.

02:18:34.000 That's why.

02:18:35.000 They didn't want Trump to get credit for anything.

02:18:38.000 So if there's a ceasefire, like no one's giving him any credit for all the other conflicts that he stopped as well.

02:18:43.000 You know, there's been a bunch in Africa and just people that have been feuding for decades, and he's put a stop to that.

02:18:50.000 Now, whether or not it sticks, that's another thing.

02:18:52.000 The Israel one didn't stick. 0.98

02:18:54.000 Didn't stick very long.

02:18:55.000 I mean, what happened?

02:18:56.000 So someone blew over, they drove over unexploded munitions, and then they thought it was an attack by Hamas, and then they started bombing again, right?

02:19:10.000 What I read is there was an RPG fired at an Israeli vehicle, but you might have a I think that was the initial story.

02:19:18.000 Okay.

02:19:18.000 That's what they thought.

02:19:19.000 Oh, so it's changed?

02:19:20.000 Yes.

02:19:20.000 Okay.

02:19:21.000 I think they thought someone that these Israeli, the IDF soldiers drove over this unexploded munitions.

02:19:27.000 And they saw some dude and they were like, he did it.

02:19:29.000 I think someone blamed someone else for it.

02:19:33.000 I think there was confusion or something along those lines.

02:19:36.000 See if you can find what that story is.

02:19:38.000 I don't know what the exact story was, but they started bombing again and they killed a bunch of people.

02:19:42.000 And there's also a lot of mistrust.

02:19:44.000 Like, you know, I was saying the Arab nations in the region, they hate Hamas.

02:19:47.000 They also don't trust Netanyahu.

02:19:49.000 That's also a fact.

02:19:50.000 They don't trust Netanyahu.

02:19:53.000 And, you know, Netanyahu, I mean, you talk about what Israelis feel like.

02:19:59.000 Think about what it's like.

02:20:00.000 It's the first question I asked him.

02:20:02.000 What is it like to be a leader of a country that is attacked in the way that you were on October the 7th?

02:20:08.000 Imagine the trauma that leaves.

02:20:09.000 And you're responsible.

02:20:11.000 Right.

02:20:12.000 You're responsible for 10 million people, and this happens.

02:20:16.000 Did you ask him why it took so long for them to respond?

02:20:21.000 No, we didn't ask him that.

02:20:23.000 No.

02:20:24.000 It was quite a few hours.

02:20:26.000 My understanding from people, we had the former director of Mossad on.

02:20:26.000 It was a few hours.

02:20:30.000 We asked him about that.

02:20:31.000 I mean, there are a lot of people who are very critical of the Israeli top brass of the way it went down.

02:20:38.000 I think there was a lot of confusion from what I understand.

02:20:41.000 Like contradictory orders being given.

02:20:43.000 People didn't really know what was going on.

02:20:45.000 That's basically what I heard.

02:20:47.000 Was there a standdown order?

02:20:49.000 I don't know.

02:20:51.000 We've also spoken to other military experts who actually say, look, it doesn't look good, but one of the things is it's very difficult to mobilize forces instantaneously.

02:21:01.000 And soldiers instantaneously organize, get them out, even under emergency.

02:21:06.000 Right, but wouldn't you think in Israel, which is one of the most sophisticated security states in the world, that they would be ready for something like that a lot quicker than any other country because they're constantly under a threat.

02:21:17.000 You'd think they would have a fence that was permanently monitored.

02:21:22.000 They clearly fucked up very badly.

02:21:23.000 It's crazy if you look at their fence versus Egypt's fence. 0.99

02:21:26.000 The Egypt fence is wild.

02:21:29.000 People don't like to talk about that.

02:21:30.000 No, that one's wild.

02:21:32.000 Well, this is one of the reasons that a lot of the other countries in the region, you know, they don't support Israel killing Palestinians, obviously.

02:21:40.000 But they're also not.

02:21:42.000 They just say you're Jordanian, right? 0.96

02:21:46.000 A lot of the population in Jordan is Palestinian.

02:21:50.000 And what happened when they had a large population of Palestinian? 0.96

02:21:53.000 They killed a fucking king.

02:21:55.000 Right?

02:21:56.000 So this is the difficulty of it.

02:21:59.000 Like, this is a highly radicalized population.

02:22:01.000 Right.

02:22:03.000 And, you know, that's why it's such a difficult conflict to resolve.

02:22:06.000 And like you say, the Israelis are on edge because they have to be. 1.00

02:22:08.000 They're surrounded by people who've invaded their country repeatedly.

02:22:11.000 Yeah, like what is the best case scenario for how this all ends?

02:22:15.000 That's what the problem is.

02:22:16.000 Everybody who prognosticates, everybody who looks at the future, no one has a version of this where it's like, oh, it worked out great.

02:22:27.000 Well, Jared Kushner, I think he's clearly a genius.

02:22:27.000 Yeah.

02:22:30.000 I mean, orchestrating the Abraham Accords in the first Trump term.

02:22:33.000 He's involved in it now.

02:22:35.000 And his thing, as I understand it, is basically this.

02:22:38.000 The Middle East has a very different demographic to most Western countries.

02:22:42.000 A shit ton of young people, very, very young people.

02:22:46.000 And the leaders of those countries know that they've got two choices.

02:22:50.000 Either they create jobs, meaning, purpose, economic prosperity, or all these young men are going to go the wrong direction. 0.79

02:22:59.000 So they're desperately trying to create thriving economies so that their youth don't feel the need to fight their grandfather's war.

02:23:07.000 Got it.

02:23:08.000 And as I understand it, the Kushner approach has been what you do is you find a way to address the fighting so it's not happening.

02:23:17.000 And then you just lock the entire region into economic cooperation.

02:23:21.000 Because the UAE wants to trade with Israel.

02:23:23.000 The Saudis want to trade with Israel.

02:23:25.000 And the other reason is they have a common enemy, which is Iran. 0.81

02:23:28.000 All the other countries, particularly the Gulf countries, they fear Iran a lot more than they fear Israel, a lot more than they care about Israel. 0.67

02:23:36.000 Iran is their number one problem. 1.00

02:23:38.000 It's a threat to them.

02:23:40.000 And so if you can get the entire Middle East, other than Iran, maybe Qatar, I don't know, together, working together, they don't then have the incentive to continue this conflict because they're trading.

02:23:52.000 They've got way more to lose by this continuing.

02:23:55.000 So that's the end goal.

02:23:57.000 The difficulty is as long as Hamas is in power, I mean, they did October 7th to prevent that from happening, basically.

02:24:05.000 They wanted to derail the long-term aspiration for peace.

02:24:09.000 And Iran wanted them to do that because Iran doesn't want those countries to work together.

02:24:14.000 And didn't it happen right after Biden had released like $6 billion to Iran?

02:24:19.000 Yeah.

02:24:19.000 Right.

02:24:20.000 So now they've got funding.

02:24:21.000 Right.

02:24:22.000 And yeah, and Iran funds.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:26.000 Well, and Iran funds all of these organizations, all these Hezbollah, Hamas.

02:24:31.000 So Iran is essentially their plan is destabilization of the region. 0.97

02:24:36.000 And then, if you go to the history of Iran, you find out that they got fucked by, what was it?

02:24:42.000 The British oil company, what oil company was it?

02:24:45.000 Where they wanted to nationalize their oil because they realized they were getting fucked.

02:24:50.000 And so the king is like, hey, no, this is our oil.

02:24:56.000 And all of a sudden, the United States comes along and Britain comes along.

02:25:00.000 They go, let's kick this fucking guy out of here and install some sort of a religious caliphate and let's get the party rolling. 0.97

02:25:06.000 And they've fucked the entire country up.

02:25:08.000 Like if you see Iran from like the 1960s, women are wearing mini skirts and everybody looks like they're having a good time. 0.59

02:25:15.000 It looks like a normal European city.

02:25:18.000 And then the crazies come in.

02:25:20.000 And you've got this seventh century shit going on.

02:25:20.000 Yeah.

02:25:23.000 Oil companies.

02:25:25.000 They don't give a fuck.

02:25:27.000 They're just trying to make that loot.

02:25:29.000 And if they can make that loot and ruin a country, they're like, okay.

02:25:32.000 Yeah.

02:25:33.000 Who cares?

02:25:34.000 Yeah, but I hope that they've.

02:25:36.000 Maybe they haven't, but you just look at the misery and like they feel bad.

02:25:41.000 No, just bad.

02:25:43.000 I hope they feel bad.

02:25:45.000 I hope the Ayatollah just wakes up one day and goes, ah, I've been a bad guy. 0.97

02:25:49.000 Did you see it?

02:25:50.000 Did you see one of the Iranian leaders, the wedding?

02:25:54.000 Did you see the wedding?

02:25:54.000 No.

02:25:55.000 No.

02:25:56.000 So this has created a huge storm in Iran because obviously they have the morality police where people where men literally go around and look at women and go, right, you need to have your hair covered.

02:26:06.000 You need to have your skirt needs to be down here. 1.00

02:26:08.000 And if not, we're going to arrest you.

02:26:09.000 We're going to beat you up.

02:26:10.000 We're going to do all of these things.

02:26:11.000 Let me guess his daughter was wearing a beautiful white dress for the moment. 0.99

02:26:14.000 Mate, she had them out.

02:26:16.000 She hated this guy.

02:26:17.000 Look at that.

02:26:18.000 You can go to jail for that.

02:26:20.000 That does not look very halal to me.

02:26:21.000 Mate, it does to me.

02:26:22.000 She's hot, though. 1.00

02:26:23.000 Yeah, fucking hell.

02:26:24.000 Iranian women are abusive. 1.00

02:26:26.000 Oh, yeah, they're incredible.

02:26:27.000 That's what's even more fucked.

02:26:29.000 You got a great gene pool over there.

02:26:30.000 It's being stifled.

02:26:32.000 But the Persians are a great civilization.

02:26:34.000 If you look at their history, they're incredible people.

02:26:36.000 Incredible wrestlers, too.

02:26:37.000 Yeah.

02:26:38.000 Long history of elite wrestlers come out of Iran.

02:26:42.000 It's crazy, man.

02:26:43.000 Yeah.

02:26:43.000 So that's the hope.

02:26:44.000 That's the hope is economic development.

02:26:46.000 Right.

02:26:47.000 And if you can get people trading and that's the idea.

02:26:50.000 Well, bring people out of desperation and you stop crime everywhere.

02:26:53.000 I mean, we should have done that in the United States a long ass time ago.

02:26:57.000 We definitely should have figured out how to do that with Mexico. 1.00

02:26:59.000 But we're a bunch of haters.

02:27:01.000 We don't want them doing well over there.

02:27:02.000 We don't want to compete with Mexico economically. 1.00

02:27:05.000 Fuck that.

02:27:06.000 You know, we had, he was a guest on your show, actually, Joan Grillo.

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:11.000 And we, and I never realized this, but Joan was like, you know, there's a trade going on between Mexico and the United States.

02:27:16.000 I was like, what do you mean?

02:27:17.000 He was like, well, drugs come over one way, and the Americans give the guns come over the other way.

02:27:23.000 Yep.

02:27:24.000 Yeah, I had Mariana Vanzeler on from trafficked.

02:27:26.000 And she actually followed how the LAPD, the corrupt cops from the LAPD, confiscate guns, sell guns to the gang members.

02:27:26.000 Yeah.

02:27:36.000 The gang members then take those guns and drive into Mexico with them because you can get into Mexico easy.

02:27:42.000 They don't care.

02:27:43.000 Come on in.

02:27:44.000 But leaving Mexico where it's get hard.

02:27:46.000 So they sell the guns, drive back over, empty trunk.

02:27:48.000 Everybody's happy.

02:27:49.000 Do you think you boys are going to start some shit with Venezuela?

02:27:52.000 I hope not.

02:27:53.000 It seems like.

02:27:54.000 It looks like it's going in that direction, though.

02:27:55.000 Blowing up them boats.

02:27:57.000 Soon after the explosion of Rafa, I'm told by Secure Familiar, the White House and Pentagon knew the incident was caused by an Israeli settler bulldozer running over unexploded ordnance, contradicting Netanyahu's claim that Hamas had popped up from tunnels.

02:28:12.000 This is Ryan Grimm, who's a journalist.

02:28:15.000 After Netanyahu said he was blocking all aid from entering Gaza in response and unleashed a bombing campaign, the administration conveyed to Israel that they know what happened.

02:28:25.000 Netanyahu then announced he would reopen the crossings in a few hours.

02:28:29.000 Right.

02:28:30.000 Fuck, man.

02:28:31.000 So this is what happens in a war, right?

02:28:33.000 Everyone's fucking on edge.

02:28:34.000 Something blows up.

02:28:36.000 They think we were under attack and it all starts again.

02:28:39.000 The worst suspicions are that Netanyahu wants this war to continue because that's how he stays in power.

02:28:44.000 Because of the corruption stuff, right?

02:28:46.000 That's what Clinton said openly.

02:28:47.000 Yeah.

02:28:49.000 Yeah.

02:28:49.000 Yeah, that gets real fucking scary.

02:28:52.000 Yeah.

02:28:52.000 Do you think that's true?

02:28:53.000 I don't know, man.

02:28:54.000 I don't know enough about geopolitics.

02:28:56.000 I certainly don't know enough about this conflict, but I know there's a lot of people that are suspicious of it, which is why a lot of people are suspicious about why it took so long to answer with October 7th.

02:29:06.000 Oh, that's why you were asking.

02:29:07.000 No, I want to know why it took so long if you asked him, because it does seem like a long time.

02:29:14.000 I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but a lot of people are.

02:29:17.000 That's a thing that people bring up on the internet all the time.

02:29:20.000 Like, why did it take so long for them to respond?

02:29:22.000 Was this a known thing that was going to happen?

02:29:25.000 They allowed it to happen, so now they have a reason where Netanyahu stays in power.

02:29:30.000 A war gets I find that hard to imagine.

02:29:33.000 It's a horrific notion.

02:29:34.000 If it is true, it's absolutely horrific.

02:29:36.000 It's horrific that we could even consider that a human being who's running a country would allow their citizens to die.

02:29:42.000 And I'm not saying they did, but we do know that people have done that in the past.

02:29:47.000 False flags are, that is a legitimate strategy for an unwilling populace to be entertained into going to war. 0.99

02:29:54.000 I mean, that's what they were trying to do with Operation Northwoods.

02:29:57.000 Operation Northwitz, which was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

02:30:00.000 They were trying to get people to support a war with Cuba.

02:30:03.000 And so what they did was they were going to blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on the Cubans. 0.50

02:30:09.000 They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and fuck up Guantanamo Bay. 0.94

02:30:13.000 And they were going to say, okay, this is it.

02:30:15.000 Cuba's attacked.

02:30:16.000 We have to attack back.

02:30:17.000 And then next thing you know, we're at war with Cuba.

02:30:19.000 And that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

02:30:21.000 That was a full-on plan that was vetoed by Kennedy.

02:30:25.000 Wow.

02:30:25.000 Right.

02:30:26.000 Yeah, which is, so we know that.

02:30:28.000 We also know that Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam.

02:30:30.000 False flag.

02:30:31.000 So we know that people have done stuff before where they either have allowed something to happen, like Pearl Harbor, or they have just, you know, they've just capitalized on it.

02:30:43.000 You have to figure out which one is which.

02:30:45.000 Right.

02:30:45.000 I mean, World War II started with a false flag.

02:30:47.000 You know this, right?

02:30:48.000 The Gleiwitz incident.

02:30:48.000 Yeah.

02:30:50.000 Which one was that?

02:30:51.000 So they basically, in order to justify the invasion of Poland, Hitler pretended that Polish soldiers had crossed the border and killed people in Germany.

02:31:02.000 And that was their pretense for attacking.

02:31:04.000 Well, he also burned the Reichstag, too, right?

02:31:06.000 Didn't he blame other people on that?

02:31:08.000 Yeah, I don't know that I know that for a fact.

02:31:11.000 I'm maybe just not educated enough about that one.

02:31:13.000 But the Gleiwitz incident, they basically set it up so that it looked like the Poles had invaded. 0.92

02:31:18.000 Didn't Nero do that too?

02:31:20.000 Didn't he burn Rome and blame other people for that as well?

02:31:24.000 That I don't know.

02:31:27.000 The story is that he fiddled whilst Rome burned.

02:31:30.000 Use Perplexity to find out if Nero did that.

02:31:36.000 Did he burn part of Rome?

02:31:38.000 Might as well do the Reichstag as well because I want to.

02:31:40.000 Yeah, let's do that as well.

02:31:41.000 Because I think that's just a common tactic for assholes.

02:31:45.000 Yeah, I know.

02:31:46.000 Someone's an asshole in control of a government.

02:31:48.000 But I think letting 4,000 jihadis invade your country and rape and slaughter and butcher people, that to me is beyond the realm of imagination.

02:31:57.000 Of course, as is 9-11.

02:31:59.000 But there's a lot of kooky people that believe that that was allowed to happen as well.

02:32:02.000 Do you know, for the longest time, I thought that Trade Center 7, that was like a big question mark.

02:32:08.000 But my friend Winston Marshall, he sent me a video that explains it very well.

02:32:13.000 I hadn't seen a good explanation of it.

02:32:14.000 But it kind of made a lot of sense to me.

02:32:17.000 Well, it doesn't happen all at once.

02:32:19.000 That's one common misconception.

02:32:21.000 You can watch the video.

02:32:22.000 The top collapses inside the building a couple minutes before it all goes.

02:32:27.000 That's right.

02:32:28.000 Yeah.

02:32:28.000 And I think I want my fucking money back from built that thing, that's for sure.

02:32:33.000 I'd be like, bro.

02:32:35.000 You guys cut some fucking corners or something.

02:32:38.000 Whatever your plan had, that you had to keep this thing stable.

02:32:43.000 Nero's role in the myth.

02:32:44.000 Contrary to popular myth, there's no credible evidence that Nero started the fire.

02:32:48.000 He was in the Antium when it broke out and returned to coordinate emergency measures such as opening public spaces for refugees and importing food.

02:32:55.000 The image of Nero fiddling while Rome burns is a later invention.

02:32:59.000 The fiddle did not Exist at the time, of course.

02:33:02.000 Fiddled doesn't mean like a fiddle.

02:33:05.000 This is like AI being literal.

02:33:07.000 It means fiddle around.

02:33:07.000 Yeah.

02:33:08.000 And while, like, fiddle spinners, you fuckhead.

02:33:11.000 And while some sources claim he sang about the fall of Troy during the fire, this account is disputed and likely part of a political smear campaign.

02:33:18.000 Who the fuck knows?

02:33:19.000 You're dealing with too many years ago with this kind of shit.

02:33:22.000 But either way, false flags are a real thing.

02:33:24.000 Sure.

02:33:25.000 Yeah.

02:33:25.000 And that's why people get real suspicious.

02:33:28.000 Yeah, but a lot of the.

02:33:29.000 No, I was thinking, but is there not a part of you that just goes, eventually the truth comes out?

02:33:29.000 Sorry, go ahead.

02:33:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:36.000 Eventually.

02:33:37.000 Especially in a country as small as Israel, which is tiny.

02:33:41.000 Well, look at JFK.

02:33:43.000 I mean, the truth has not come out about that.

02:33:45.000 We're all still trying to figure that out.

02:33:48.000 And they were talking in this election.

02:33:50.000 We're going to release the JFK files.

02:33:50.000 Like, there's going to be a thing.

02:33:52.000 Oh, great.

02:33:52.000 We're finally going to know.

02:33:55.000 Nothing.

02:33:56.000 There's nothing.

02:33:57.000 So why do you think that is?

02:33:58.000 Why has that not been because is it because there's nothing there?

02:34:02.000 And what we told is what happened is what happened.

02:34:04.000 Trump's own words were: if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.

02:34:10.000 Wow.

02:34:13.000 What the fuck does that mean?

02:34:14.000 It probably means the government assassinated Kennedy.

02:34:18.000 Kennedy was the government.

02:34:19.000 Well, I mean, the CIA.

02:34:20.000 I mean, the deep state or whatever it was at the time.

02:34:23.000 Whoever it was.

02:34:24.000 There's my friend Evan Hafer from Black Rifle Coffee.

02:34:27.000 He has a theory of his own about Kennedy pulling out air support from Bay of Pigs and that without air support, that operation could never be effective and a bunch of people are going to die that shouldn't have died.

02:34:38.000 And a bunch of those guys that were on that beach lost brothers and they were hardcore, like serious soldiers.

02:34:44.000 And you get those guys to kill Kennedy as revenge.

02:34:48.000 Because it was a very coordinated event.

02:34:52.000 If it went the way the Oliver Stones of the world think it went, which I think I tend to think he's pretty accurate.

02:35:00.000 I think he knows what happened, roughly.

02:35:02.000 And there's multiple people shooting at the same time, and this should never be allowed to be a path where you're on a convertible with a fucking president.

02:35:11.000 There's bushes and people can hide behind the bushes.

02:35:13.000 You don't have it sussed out.

02:35:15.000 You didn't scan the bushes and make sure there's nobody with a rifle there.

02:35:18.000 The whole thing's nuts.

02:35:19.000 You would never set it up that way if you were the Secret Service.

02:35:22.000 Well, see, the obvious counter-argument to that in my head, I'm just playing the argument out with you.

02:35:26.000 I don't know anything, is what happened to Trump?

02:35:30.000 Well, that's not a counter-argument because the Trump thing is easily the same story if that kid's a better shot.

02:35:30.000 Right?

02:35:38.000 That kid's a better shot.

02:35:39.000 You have a dead president and you have Patsy, maybe. 0.53

02:35:43.000 Who knows?

02:35:44.000 You have some kid who was in a BlackRock commercial two years prior, who somehow or another has a professionally scrubbed apartment.

02:35:55.000 So they find his apartment.

02:35:56.000 It doesn't have any silverware in it after he's dead.

02:35:59.000 They cremate him within days.

02:36:02.000 There's no toxicology report, no autopsy.

02:36:06.000 There's no information on the kid.

02:36:08.000 He has no social media.

02:36:09.000 What fucking kids have no social media?

02:36:11.000 He has three different phones.

02:36:12.000 Why does he have three different phones?

02:36:14.000 Why is there metadata from a phone outside of DC, outside of where the FBI office is, traveling back and forth to this kid multiple times?

02:36:24.000 Why is he training in these very technical gun ranges where people are doing tactical training and stuff like that?

02:36:35.000 Like, what is this guy doing?

02:36:37.000 Who's getting him to do this?

02:36:38.000 Why is he doing this?

02:36:39.000 You think he really has knowledge that this thing is going to go down in Butler?

02:36:43.000 Why are they allowing this guy to walk around the grounds with a rangefinder 30 minutes before the event?

02:36:48.000 Why is he seen?

02:36:51.000 How does he get on the roof?

02:36:52.000 How do they not have someone on the roof?

02:36:54.000 How do they not, like, there's a lot of weirdness to it.

02:36:56.000 Why is it the first one of those things that they're televising live on CNN?

02:37:01.000 There's a lot of weird ones.

02:37:02.000 So, yeah, it's not a counter-argument.

02:37:04.000 In fact, it backs up the point.

02:37:05.000 Yeah, not only to back up the point, like, the kid just sucked.

02:37:09.000 He missed.

02:37:10.000 You know, I don't know what kind of a sight he had on his rifle.

02:37:14.000 He might have had a red dot, but he definitely didn't have a good long-range scope, it looks like, from the video or the images of the rifle that I've seen laying on the rooftop.

02:37:26.000 If he had a really good scope and he was a good shot, that's an easy shot.

02:37:29.000 It's only 150 yards, I think, from that roof, which is also preposterous that you would allow a person to climb onto a roof within 150 yards of a guy who's a very controversial figure who's running for president.

02:37:42.000 It's nuts.

02:37:43.000 The whole thing's nuts.

02:37:45.000 You know, we interviewed a guy called Michael Francis, who's a former, former head of one of the big crime families.

02:37:52.000 I think he was head.

02:37:53.000 Was he not head?

02:37:54.000 He would have seen him.

02:37:55.000 He's very senior.

02:37:56.000 He's a big guy.

02:37:56.000 Yeah, big guy.

02:37:57.000 And he said, when it came to JFK, he said at the time in the mob, there was a joke where they would say, oh, we shot the wrong Kennedy.

02:38:06.000 And he said that it was mob-related.

02:38:09.000 It could have been.

02:38:10.000 It could have been multiple different shooters from multiple different organizations.

02:38:17.000 I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent.

02:38:19.000 You know, people like Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

02:38:22.000 Like, that doesn't have to be the case.

02:38:24.000 He might have actually even shot at Kennedy.

02:38:26.000 He might have been one of the guys who shot at Kennedy.

02:38:28.000 I think they had him set up to be the guy that takes the blame.

02:38:31.000 Whether or not he actually pulled the trigger, he might have.

02:38:34.000 I'm not opposed to the idea that he might have.

02:38:36.000 What I am opposed to the ideas of one single shooter causing all that damage because it's illogical.

02:38:42.000 It's not just illogical.

02:38:44.000 It was created because they had to account for a bullet that hit the underpass.

02:38:48.000 So a bullet ricocheted off one of the curbstones in the underpass and fucked this guy up.

02:38:53.000 And so they found the curb that had been chipped.

02:38:55.000 This guy got wounded.

02:38:56.000 He got hit with a ricochet.

02:38:58.000 He got treated in the hospital.

02:38:59.000 So they know that was one bullet.

02:39:01.000 So now they have to two bullets.

02:39:04.000 One is a headshot, and one goes through Kennedy's body and into Connolly's body.

02:39:08.000 The problem with that is Kennedy reacts to a gunshot before Connolly ever does because Connolly wasn't hit.

02:39:14.000 Connolly was hit afterwards.

02:39:16.000 Connolly was hit after Kennedy was shot in the neck and then he was shot in the back and then he was shot in the head.

02:39:22.000 Kennedy was shot multiple times.

02:39:24.000 The one in the neck, he grabs his neck in the beginning of the video.

02:39:28.000 There's a different, there's two different depictions of what that is.

02:39:32.000 There's the Dallas hospital where they take him right after the shooting, where they say it's an entry wound.

02:39:36.000 And then in Bethesda, Maryland, they say it's a tracheotomy wound.

02:39:40.000 Like they traked him, which is preposterous.

02:39:43.000 He's no head.

02:39:44.000 His head's missing.

02:39:45.000 You put a trake pipe on a guy that half his fucking head's missing and he's dead as fuck.

02:39:50.000 No, you didn't.

02:39:51.000 No, it's a fucking entry wound.

02:39:53.000 You see him grab his neck.

02:39:54.000 He got shot in the neck.

02:39:55.000 And it looks to me like his head was shot at the very least one time from the front.

02:40:02.000 At the very least, one time.

02:40:03.000 But it might have been, his head might have got hit by two bullets at the same time.

02:40:06.000 I mean, there's people shooting at him.

02:40:09.000 I think there was multiple people shooting him from different directions.

02:40:11.000 And he does have a wound in his back.

02:40:13.000 He has an entry wound in his back.

02:40:14.000 So someone probably shot him in the back, too.

02:40:17.000 It might have been Oswald.

02:40:18.000 Oswald might have shot him in the back.

02:40:19.000 But I think the back and to the left and the people that all called out that said that there was people firing behind them in the grassy knoll, I bet that's correct.

02:40:28.000 The whole way that they drove.

02:40:30.000 Have you ever been to Dealey Plaza?

02:40:31.000 No.

02:40:32.000 It's small.

02:40:33.000 It's real weird.

02:40:34.000 And there's a turn.

02:40:35.000 Like, you have to make this turn.

02:40:36.000 Like, if you were a sniper, you couldn't ask for a better place to set up because this guy is going 30 miles an hour or on a stupid little turn and coming straight at you and you're just sitting there in the bushes.

02:40:46.000 He could peck him off.

02:40:47.000 You could peck him off.

02:40:48.000 People that say that he couldn't shoot him from the windowsill, it's too hard of a shot.

02:40:51.000 He wasn't a good marksman.

02:40:52.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:40:53.000 Anybody could do that.

02:40:54.000 I could show you how to do that.

02:40:55.000 And you could do that in.

02:40:56.000 I talked to my friend Andy Stump.

02:40:58.000 I was talking about it on the podcast.

02:40:59.000 I said, give Andy a day.

02:41:01.000 And he goes, fuck a day.

02:41:02.000 He goes, give me a couple hours.

02:41:03.000 I could teach you how to do that.

02:41:04.000 It's not that hard.

02:41:06.000 With a good rifle.

02:41:07.000 What about this JD Tippett?

02:41:09.000 Yeah, it seems like Lee Harvey Oswald killed this cop.

02:41:13.000 So it seems like when Lee Harvey Oswald was taking off, he had an altercation with his cop and he shot the cop.

02:41:20.000 Four times.

02:41:21.000 Yeah.

02:41:22.000 Well, that's why I think I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent.

02:41:25.000 I think he was in on it.

02:41:26.000 But I think he was the setup.

02:41:28.000 He was the Patsy.

02:41:29.000 And they were going to have him go down for it.

02:41:31.000 Whether or not he actually killed Kennedy, he might have.

02:41:34.000 Look, if he shot him in the back, if that one shot from the back was Lee Harvey Oswald, maybe that would have killed Kennedy.

02:41:40.000 Maybe that was the one that killed him or would have killed him for the headshot.

02:41:43.000 But he was hit multiple times.

02:41:45.000 Do you know what when you read about Kennedy and then you saw the attempted assassination of Trump?

02:41:50.000 It makes you realize just how fragile societies are.

02:41:55.000 Like, how different would our world be if, for instance, Kennedy survived Or Trump hadn't, and vice versa.

02:42:03.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:42:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:04.000 Do you know, like, I remember someone asked me that question.

02:42:07.000 It was like, what do you think would have happened if the bullet had been, within the Trump's case, two inches further towards the right, whatever it was?

02:42:16.000 You know, how different would our society be right now?

02:42:19.000 Very, very different.

02:42:20.000 Very different.

02:42:21.000 Would it be the beginning of a civil war?

02:42:23.000 Who knows?

02:42:24.000 Everything could have popped off.

02:42:26.000 And on top of that, who would be president, right?

02:42:28.000 Would they suspend the presidential elections and allow the Republicans to come up with a new viable candidate?

02:42:33.000 Would J.D. Vance run for president?

02:42:35.000 How would they do it?

02:42:37.000 Who would be the representative of the Republicans?

02:42:38.000 Would they suspend the election entirely?

02:42:41.000 Would they do something where Kamala just gets sworn in by the then President Biden?

02:42:47.000 Who knows?

02:42:48.000 I don't know.

02:42:50.000 This is why I think political polarization of the kind we've seen is so scary because, I mean, the thing that really struck me when Charlie was assassinated was this was always possible.

02:43:00.000 Yeah.

02:43:01.000 And the only reason it wasn't happening is we kind of had a culture of like, we don't do this, basically, right?

02:43:07.000 Because anyone can pick up a rifle in this country.

02:43:11.000 And that's why I really worry about the fact that people think political violence is justified.

02:43:16.000 Not just justified, but celebrated.

02:43:18.000 That was the creepy part.

02:43:18.000 Yeah.

02:43:20.000 The creepy part was the celebration, the people that were celebrating.

02:43:23.000 Some lady recently just lost her job because people were driving by. 1.00

02:43:26.000 She was doing a No Kings protest and she started mocking, getting shot in the neck. 0.99

02:43:30.000 And she was a school teacher.

02:43:33.000 Elementary school teacher.

02:43:33.000 Yeah.

02:43:35.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 Fucking crazy people.

02:43:38.000 There's a lot of crazy people out there.

02:43:40.000 And some of the, I mean, people are, you know, they're correct in worrying about the impact that these people have on their children.

02:43:47.000 You're correct.

02:43:48.000 You have a lot of crazy people that are teaching your kids.

02:43:48.000 Correct.

02:43:50.000 I know so many people now who are homeschooling.

02:43:52.000 And to be honest, there's something I'm thinking about.

02:43:54.000 It's not a bad idea.

02:43:55.000 I mean, the problem socially is like kids need to hang out together.

02:43:59.000 It's really important.

02:44:00.000 I worry about that too, too.

02:44:01.000 Yeah, but I mean, I think you could probably replace that with sports and good friends.

02:44:05.000 And especially if you lived in a community where multiple people were homeschooling.

02:44:08.000 But then, you know, people get weirded out about homeschooling because they think it's going to, oh, that leads to religious radicals.

02:44:14.000 You don't have to be a religious to homeschool people in this country because you're connected to religious Christians, like radical Christianity.

02:44:22.000 I just don't want some 25-year-old with blue hair teaching my son that communism is brilliant.

02:44:27.000 Exactly.

02:44:27.000 Can I not have that?

02:44:28.000 And the weird one is people that have no desire to have children of their own.

02:44:32.000 And they want to indoctrinate people's kids into their way of thinking.

02:44:36.000 It's like a part of why they teach, you know.

02:44:38.000 It's because they're so – this is – I was – The terrible thing about an ideology is so true.

02:44:56.000 And it's also the appealing thing about it.

02:44:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:58.000 You know, I've always been attracted to the idea that these people really believe.

02:45:04.000 Like, it's fascinating when I watch super religious people that are praying five times a day.

02:45:09.000 And I'm like, that is amazing.

02:45:11.000 Like, look how dedicated they are to that thing.

02:45:13.000 Like, there's an attractiveness to that.

02:45:15.000 Like, God, I wish I was like, if I was that dedicated to something, I'd probably be like way more stable in my life.

02:45:21.000 Yeah.

02:45:21.000 You know, because you're just locked in and everybody believes.

02:45:24.000 And, you know, you see people talking about the religion with utmost certainty.

02:45:28.000 Like, I wish I was that certain.

02:45:30.000 I wish I was that certain.

02:45:31.000 Those guys are so certain they're willing to die.

02:45:33.000 Like, it also gives you a lot of inner peace.

02:45:39.000 It does.

02:45:40.000 If you don't have that, which I don't, and I've got a friend who's a devout Muslim and he's going through tough times at the moment.

02:45:48.000 And I say to him, like, how do you get through this?

02:45:50.000 And he's like, bro, I've got my religion.

02:45:52.000 I've got God.

02:45:53.000 And I know everything's going to be okay.

02:45:55.000 He's a great guy.

02:45:56.000 And he goes, I pray five times a day.

02:45:58.000 It really helps me.

02:45:59.000 And it makes me realize and understand that what I'm going through is part of his plan.

02:46:04.000 It's part of his plan.

02:46:06.000 If you really do believe that, it definitely will help you.

02:46:06.000 Yeah.

02:46:10.000 I haven't got there, but I have started going to church every now and again.

02:46:12.000 Yeah.

02:46:13.000 Do you enjoy it?

02:46:13.000 Yeah.

02:46:14.000 I love it.

02:46:15.000 Yeah.

02:46:16.000 I do too.

02:46:17.000 It's a bunch of people that are going to try to make their lives better.

02:46:19.000 They're trying to be a better person.

02:46:21.000 And they're trying to, I mean, for me at least, the place that I go to, they, you know, they read and analyze passages in the Bible.

02:46:30.000 I'm really interested in what these people were trying to say because I don't think it's nothing.

02:46:35.000 There's a lot of atheists and secular people that just like to dismiss Christianity as being foolish.

02:46:42.000 You know, it's just fairy tales.

02:46:43.000 I hear that amongst self-professed, intelligent people.

02:46:46.000 Like It's a fairy tale.

02:46:48.000 I'm like, I don't know if that's true.

02:46:52.000 I think there's more to it.

02:46:54.000 I think it's history.

02:46:55.000 But I think it's a confusing history.

02:46:57.000 It's a confusing history because it was a long time ago.

02:47:01.000 And it's people telling things in an oral tradition and writing things down in a language that you don't understand, in the context of a culture that you don't understand.

02:47:10.000 And I think there's something to what they're saying.

02:47:14.000 I think there's a reason why they all have a flood myth.

02:47:16.000 I think there's a reason.

02:47:17.000 They all have a very similar story of catastrophic floods and chaos.

02:47:23.000 And then that jives with what geologists are finding and what these people are finding that are exploring the Younger Dryas impact theory.

02:47:31.000 That there was floods, massive, enormous amounts of water that are instantaneously released from melting ice caps all over the world because of comet impacts.

02:47:40.000 Like it happened.

02:47:42.000 There's physical evidence of this happening.

02:47:46.000 And I think that's what they're trying to say in these stories.

02:47:49.000 I just think it's so confusing.

02:47:52.000 It's so confusing because you're dealing with a time so long ago.

02:48:00.000 We talk about how different people live today on Earth, but way more similar today than we would be reacting or interacting with a society that existed 6,000 years ago.

02:48:13.000 Like, what are we even talking about?

02:48:15.000 Like, what is that like?

02:48:17.000 What is the world like then?

02:48:19.000 What is discourse like?

02:48:21.000 Like, what rules are there?

02:48:25.000 What protections do you have against being robbed and stolen from?

02:48:29.000 And how often is war?

02:48:31.000 What is life like back then?

02:48:33.000 It's fucking nuts.

02:48:34.000 And so you're writing things down on animal skins frantically and hiding them in clay jars and Qumran and like, I hope somebody finds this someday.

02:48:42.000 And then thousands of years later, someone does.

02:48:46.000 They find these ancient fucking scrolls and they pull them out and they're versions of stories from the Bible.

02:48:53.000 So these people have been telling these same stories for thousands of years.

02:48:56.000 Like, well, okay, what were they trying to say?

02:48:59.000 That's what's interesting to me.

02:49:01.000 I don't think it's nothing.

02:49:02.000 No.

02:49:03.000 No.

02:49:03.000 I think there's something to it and there's a reason why it resonates with people.

02:49:07.000 And Christianity in particular is the most fascinating to me because there's this one person that everybody agrees existed that somehow or another had the best plan for how human beings should interact with each other and behave and was the best example of it and even died in a non-violent, like didn't even protest, died on the cross supposedly for our sins.

02:49:31.000 Like it's a fascinating story.

02:49:34.000 What does it represent though?

02:49:35.000 That's the real thing.

02:49:36.000 What was that?

02:49:38.000 Like what happened?

02:49:39.000 Who was Jesus Christ if it was a human being?

02:49:42.000 What was that?

02:49:44.000 That's wild.

02:49:45.000 Well, Jordan's idea, as I understand it, is that the point of the story, if you like, is it's about voluntary self-sacrifice.

02:49:54.000 It's about the fact that to have a good society, people have to be willing to sacrifice something of themselves for others.

02:50:02.000 And that's what Jesus and that story is supposed to inspire in all of us.

02:50:07.000 Right, but it's a historical human being, too, though.

02:50:09.000 It's a historically documented human being.

02:50:12.000 That's where it gets weird because there's a universal depiction of what this human being was like that doesn't seem to vary that much between all the people that knew him.

02:50:21.000 That gets weird.

02:50:23.000 You know, if you go to Jerusalem, you can go to the Garden of Gethsemane.

02:50:28.000 And for those people who don't know, that's where Jesus was arrested by the Roman soldiers.

02:50:32.000 It still exists.

02:50:33.000 You can go there 2,000 years later.

02:50:36.000 And you just literally walk around this place.

02:50:38.000 You're just like, my God.

02:50:39.000 Like, the connection to those stories, it's just, it's right there.

02:50:43.000 And also, I think the lessons that you learn from going to church are incredibly profound.

02:50:49.000 Something as simple as, so I was raised Catholic as, you know, they'd say, peace be upon you towards the end.

02:50:55.000 Let's show each other a sign of peace.

02:50:57.000 Yeah.

02:50:57.000 And you literally shake hands with the person next to you.

02:51:00.000 You don't know this person, you may have never met them, but you shake hands with the person behind, in front, and whatever else.

02:51:00.000 Right.

02:51:06.000 What an incredibly profound gesture that is.

02:51:09.000 Just to shake hands with someone.

02:51:12.000 And all your anger and all your resentment and everything you feel, which is natural and jealousy, and you go, but you make a literal physical connection with another human being.

02:51:21.000 That is so powerful.

02:51:22.000 Yeah.

02:51:24.000 And if you don't have something to believe in, there's not a thing that you follow that you believe is making you be a better version of yourself, be a better person.

02:51:37.000 If you're just relying on your whims and your, you know, whatever you think is the moral thing to do, you know, then you know what you get?

02:51:47.000 You get those people that are unable to answer the question of whether or not you should protect an unborn fetus or whether or not they have human rights.

02:51:54.000 No.

02:51:55.000 No, they don't.

02:51:55.000 No.

02:51:56.000 They just, oh, they just like, that's what you get.

02:51:59.000 That's what you get when you have no religion.

02:52:01.000 Yeah.

02:52:01.000 If you have religion, you go, wow, that's a good question.

02:52:04.000 It's a very good question.

02:52:06.000 And it's also as well, you know, when we look at the new atheist movement, and that's something that I really followed, you know, Dawkins and all these kind of people who pointed out the ridiculousness of certain religions, et cetera, et cetera.

02:52:18.000 And then we don't need religion.

02:52:21.000 I think that's fundamentally inaccurate.

02:52:23.000 I think human beings need religion. 0.92

02:52:25.000 I don't know if you need it, but it definitely can help.

02:52:28.000 But I think societies need it.

02:52:29.000 Yeah.

02:52:30.000 But I just think it's silly to dismiss all these stories as being useless.

02:52:37.000 Totally.

02:52:38.000 I think they were trying to say something.

02:52:41.000 And I don't know what that something is, but the deeper you dive into it, the more interesting it gets.

02:52:46.000 Yeah.

02:52:47.000 Well, last time we had Richard on the show, if you remember, we kind of pushed him on this.

02:52:51.000 And as far as we could get, he was like, well, you know, maybe it's a story that's useful, but it's still not true.

02:52:51.000 Yeah.

02:53:00.000 And I'm going, well, if it's useful, maybe we should hang on to it for a little bit.

02:53:04.000 You know, do we want to throw away something that's useful because we're so fixated on literal truth when this is perhaps a metaphor or something, right?

02:53:14.000 Perhaps.

02:53:14.000 Yeah.

02:53:15.000 You know?

02:53:16.000 So yeah, I've kind of moved on that.

02:53:19.000 I used to love all that new atheist stuff.

02:53:21.000 Me too.

02:53:22.000 But a lot of those guys fell apart.

02:53:25.000 And all those guys get real persnickiny.

02:53:28.000 They don't seem very enlightened.

02:53:30.000 They don't seem like they're at peace, which is interesting.

02:53:33.000 Because that's the true Christians that I've met.

02:53:36.000 And I've met some legitimate, very charitable, kind Christians.

02:53:41.000 They're some of the happiest and kindest people I've ever met.

02:53:44.000 And that's borne out in the statistics as well.

02:53:47.000 However, I will say this, though, right?

02:53:49.000 And I think this is worth, like, the best people I've ever met are Christians, but also some of the worst people I've met. 1.00

02:53:57.000 Oh, sure.

02:53:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:53:59.000 Well, there's a real issue in Texas, where there's these very wealthy guys that are trying to...

02:54:11.000 They're nutters.

02:54:12.000 They're out on the fringe.

02:54:15.000 They're fire and brimstone type.

02:54:17.000 Jesus is coming.

02:54:18.000 Like them folks.

02:54:19.000 Those folks are real, too.

02:54:20.000 And that scares the shit out of me.

02:54:21.000 Because I was talking to Ron White about that.

02:54:24.000 Ron White's a southern guy.

02:54:25.000 I've been here his whole life.

02:54:26.000 He's like, be careful, them fucking really crazy Christians because don't think they're like regular Christians. 1.00

02:54:33.000 And he's right.

02:54:34.000 You get to the fringe where, you know.

02:54:37.000 And it's the same with other religions. 0.63

02:54:38.000 This is not specific to Christians.

02:54:40.000 Yep.

02:54:41.000 It's nutters.

02:54:42.000 It's just nutters.

02:54:44.000 Whether they're nutters as a Mormon or nutters as a Baptist, they're just nutters. 0.98

02:54:48.000 They're crazy people that take things to the utmost degree.

02:54:53.000 Do you remember Richard Pryor in Live at the Sunset Strip where he was talking about being in jail and he talked about meeting Islamic fundamentalists?

02:55:00.000 He called them double Muslims.

02:55:06.000 Oh, Richard Pryor.

02:55:08.000 And that's why there's so much info.

02:55:09.000 Have you ever seen that Emo Phillips bit about the bridge?

02:55:13.000 No.

02:55:14.000 Jamie's greatest jokes of all time.

02:55:17.000 Yo, you're going to love this.

02:55:18.000 What is it about?

02:55:19.000 It's about he meets a guy who's about to jump off a bridge and he starts talking to him and he realizes there's a lot of similarities.

02:55:26.000 But I'm not going to do it justice if Jamie can play it.

02:55:29.000 Emo Phillips.

02:55:31.000 Oh, you know what?

02:55:31.000 Sorry, sorry.

02:55:32.000 Can we not play it?

02:55:33.000 That's a four-minute bit of someone else's.

02:55:35.000 Oh, yeah, okay.

02:55:37.000 I'll listen to it afterwards.

02:55:38.000 Of course, We could wrap this up.

02:55:39.000 It's one of the best jokes ever.

02:55:40.000 What are you guys doing tonight?

02:55:41.000 You hanging out?

02:55:41.000 Yeah.

02:55:42.000 Come to the club.

02:55:42.000 Sure.

02:55:43.000 Let's party.

02:55:44.000 Let's go.

02:55:45.000 That sounds fun.

02:55:46.000 Hey, it's always a pleasure.

02:55:47.000 It's really great to see you guys.

02:55:48.000 I know I'm trying to get you to leave your chitty country and come to America, but I really do hope you win over there and fix that place. 1.00

02:55:55.000 I always loved England.

02:55:57.000 It's an awesome place to visit.

02:55:58.000 And I think what you guys do and having these conversations, I really do think is important.

02:56:04.000 I think it's important for the whole world, but I think it's really important for England.

02:56:09.000 Well, the way we feel about it is it's our country, man, and we don't want to run away.

02:56:13.000 I get it.

02:56:14.000 We love it.

02:56:15.000 We love our country.

02:56:17.000 We want to live.

02:56:19.000 You talk about loving England.

02:56:20.000 We love England the same way you guys do.

02:56:21.000 If the United States was California, I would have done the same.

02:56:24.000 Right.

02:56:25.000 But it's not.

02:56:26.000 I guess I can escape.

02:56:28.000 But yeah, I would have felt the same way, like staying sorted out.

02:56:28.000 So I escaped.

02:56:32.000 Yeah, and at least try until it gets real bad.

02:56:36.000 I mean, we're about to get wealth taxes by all accounts, right?

02:56:38.000 So that's the next level.

02:56:39.000 Well, look on the bright side.

02:56:40.000 You got digital ID now.

02:56:43.000 Yeah, we're looking forward to that one.

02:56:45.000 Trigonometry, it's available everywhere.

02:56:47.000 It's a great show.

02:56:48.000 I love you guys.

02:56:49.000 Always great to see you.

02:56:50.000 Thanks, appreciate you, brother.

02:56:51.000 I appreciate you too.

02:56:52.000 Bye.

02:56:52.000 Thanks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 22, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

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