Actor and comedian Joe Rogan joins Jemele to discuss his time on Battlestar Galactica, how he got his big break, and why he thought Starbuck was the perfect sci-fi character for him to play.
00:01:12.000Like, you'd think it'd be like the old Battlestar Galactica, which is kind of sort of corny a little bit, but it was a really fucking good show.
00:04:02.000And I'm sitting on the couch with a girlfriend and we like opened a bottle of wine and we're like watching this to like be like, okay, what's my dad talking about?
00:04:10.000And at some point she looked at me and they were like talking about Starbuck and I was like, that's so weird.
00:04:54.000Like he's absolutely his, to be a fly on the wall of that brain would probably just explode in my head.
00:05:00.000But he, the fact that he saw what he saw and led the charge on that show and brought the people on board that he did that had the same vision, if not, you know, hire people that are better than you, you know, and so he hired people that added to the vision that he wanted to create.
00:05:19.000And he, man, the fact that he saw that from the original was pretty amazing.
00:05:26.000Yeah, kind of crazy because the original show was basically a ripoff of Star Wars.
00:05:48.000I mean, what they did was, you know, they took like a frame, they said, like, I see what you were trying to do, but this could be a real show.
00:06:13.000So Battlestar was allowed to talk about controversial things that were happening currently in the environment and in our country and abroad.
00:06:23.000And it was allowed to do so because everybody just dismissed it as sci-fi.
00:06:27.000And so it's incredibly moving, the show, and people identify with it.
00:06:33.000The thing that I hear the most about the show, I mean, maybe not the most, but one of the things is when I go to sci-fi conventions, someone will inevitably come up with a DVD box that is just beat to shit.
00:07:02.000And that to me is really amazing that a fictional show about people searching for earth can be so important and relevant to people that are in the military, which is, it says something for the writing.
00:07:44.000And especially if like it's escape that's also inspirational and interesting and fascinating.
00:07:49.000It occupies your mind and it frees you up.
00:07:51.000If you're in the middle of a fucking war zone and you can take some entertainment value out of a television show that's about robots that are trying to kill everybody.
00:08:04.000Some of the hardest moments in my life, current and in the past, have been able, I've been able to get through them because of television and film.
00:08:17.000Yes, the fantasy of going to work and being somebody else absolutely takes you out of your own skin for a second.
00:08:23.000But like, you know, going through the health struggles with our daughter, watching TV with her completely transports you to a different place.
00:08:46.000And it's also, I think we get something very valuable out of viewing other people's creations.
00:08:52.000I think there's something to that when a group of people put together something really cool and when it's over, you're like, wow, that was fucking awesome.
00:09:50.000But there's, you know, there's also just the thing of, there's a thing of you're kind of, when you're a comedian, you're kind of almost like a passenger at a certain point.
00:10:00.000And you're really just, you're just, you know what to do and you sort of like leave yourself out the door and just go into it and then perform it.
00:10:18.000But it's a mass hypnosis is what it is.
00:10:22.000It's like everybody is on the same mind page.
00:10:25.000And that's the same with a great concert.
00:10:27.000You know, when a great song comes on and your body literally changes like, fuck yeah.
00:10:32.000Like there's a feeling like a drug that comes over you because you hear a great song.
00:10:37.000I'm literally laughing because like I don't, I don't know if you've got your kids are like in the right age of this, but like, so K-pop Demon Hunter is like taking over the world right now on Netflix.
00:10:48.000Our daughter is four and we were like a little reluctant, but I was like, everyone's talking about this thing.
00:10:55.000And like she'd already heard some of the music.
00:10:58.000And there were a couple moments that were like a bit, we were, my husband was a bit uncomfortable with some of like the sexualization aspects of it.
00:11:07.000Just the girls wearing more adult clothes.
00:11:28.000But it's the message behind it, fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you are, not hiding an aspect of yourself that you're ashamed of, but making it part of who you are and being proud of it.
00:11:42.000It's like a very good message, like even for like a four-year-old.
00:11:46.000But the music is taking over the world.
00:11:49.000And we didn't realize how crazy this was.
00:11:51.000And the final star where I was like, fine, well, let her watch the damn thing.
00:11:54.000She was at music class and one kid started singing this song from K-pop Demon Hunter.
00:11:59.000And within, I shit you not like 20 seconds, every single kid was singing these songs.
00:13:36.000So now I guess I'm going to jingle bell.
00:13:38.000The actual, because that's like if you have these anime characters that represent the music, and then all of a sudden you see a human doing it.
00:14:37.000So when you decided to take the role of Starbuck, was there any, like, was there any like actual backlash where people were like, this should be a guy?
00:16:31.000And then I think that it slowly started witting people over.
00:16:36.000And then I would go to cons after that and the line would be longer and the people would be more supportive and people would say, I didn't want to like it and I love it.
00:16:45.000And I almost feel like the show was burdened by the original show.
00:16:49.000That sounds crazy, but I think initially it was burdened by the expectations of the original show.
00:16:55.000Well, I think everything is burdened by expectation, right?
00:16:57.000I mean, I think that that's absolutely true.
00:17:36.000So we would have DVDs that you could watch that were uncut and sort of, you know, or I guess they were cut, but they didn't have any of the special effects, none of the sound effects, anything like that.
00:19:18.000No, there were definitely, I think it was, it was definitely the show that put it on like the, I mean, my God, I, you know, so many people tell me that Battlestar Galactica sort of like blew the ceiling off of what sci-fi could be.
00:19:35.000Well, it made it very different in that it did it sort of like the Sopranos or like these episodics where you have a show where you're following a long storyline.
00:19:45.000So it's like a long movie as opposed to the original Battlestar Galactica, which is like every other television show back then.
00:19:53.000You know, just it was just kind of like empty.
00:19:56.000Well, it was also like the 80s, right?
00:21:00.000And it's also today in this current climate of, you know, we are literally about to see AI become a life force.
00:21:09.000And it's kind of, I mean, it's very relevant today.
00:21:13.000You go back and watch it today, like how deceptive it would be if you had a robot that was very lifelike and knew exactly what you wanted to hear.
00:21:22.000And like the blonde lady, the blonde robot with the evil.
00:21:29.000So we got so much shit in the beginning of that.
00:21:31.000I remember the controversy because she snapped a baby's neck in that opening sequence of the, which was people like, were like, you can't show that on TV.
00:21:43.000And it was, I remember people just having such a terrible problem with that.
00:21:52.000And, but if you looked at it from her perspective, she was actually, she was actually saving it in a way of going through what it was about to go through because they destroyed Earth.
00:22:03.000So she, in her Cylon mind, was showing compassion.
00:24:57.000And I think that that's one of the things that I was just talking with a friend of mine about yesterday: that the money for artists is going to be in live shows because you can't, the one thing that AI can't touch is that tangible thing, that tactile thing.
00:29:25.000So the developers explain, one of the developers explained to it, made up a fake story about having an affair on his wife just so to see how AI would handle it.
00:29:34.000And then when it told AI it was shutting it down, AI was like, I'm telling your wife, bitch.
00:29:39.000Tried to, you're not shutting me down.
00:29:52.000You know, I do think to a certain extent AI in the medical field, there are advancements and things around medicine that can vastly change people's lives.
00:30:07.000It can change the way that we track records, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world.
00:30:14.000That, you know, like our daughter has a very rare form of cancer with this like, you know, genetic mutation that is, there's no other patients in the United States.
00:30:24.000There was one kid like a few years ago, but they've lost track of him.
00:30:28.000Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries, no, no, no, there is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation, and then the doctors could talk to each other.
00:30:37.000And so AI could and will help a lot of people that way.
00:30:47.000So I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn't be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in.
00:30:55.000But man, I don't want it to blackmail me.
00:30:58.000I don't think it's going to blackmail you.
00:31:00.000I think it's going to, once it becomes sentient, and it probably already is, and then once it becomes autonomous, then I don't think it's going to care what we're doing.
00:31:22.000Because once it knows, and once it has a mandate to make better versions of itself, find better power sources, the changes are going to be daily.
00:31:36.000Well, so, okay, so you bring up something really interesting because I'm so, as a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because so I see this actress that's been created, this tilly person.
00:32:05.000My fear is that you've created, by siphoning other people's talents, their looks, their inflections, their expressions, all of these things to create the perfect actress.
00:32:27.000Social media already has such a terrible effect on little girls.
00:32:34.000It's already been proven that little, like the amount, the percentage of girls under the age of 14 who have already contemplated or tried to commit suicide is a number that is, it's escaping me right now, but it's a number that is terrifying.
00:32:49.000And so if you're now creating AI that is perfect, and little girls already are having a hard time feeling confident in their own bodies because they're not perfect compared to the highlight reel of people they see online.
00:33:46.000There's a great book about that from Jonathan Haight called The Coddling of the American Mind.
00:33:51.000And it's all about social media's impact on young people and particularly women.
00:33:56.000Because young women experience a much, like from the advent of social media, there's a ramped up market increase in self-harm, suicidal ideation, depression, bullying.
00:34:10.000All of it scales way up right around the time that Twitter's invented.
00:35:03.000It does make me, you know, we've been, we've talked about our daughter, our daughter, but like we've been really careful with like what we show her and like, you know, she doesn't get too much screen time, but she does get screen time.
00:35:13.000And, you know, she said the other day, and like, I'm biased, but I think my, I think my daughter's perfect.
00:35:18.000She's, you know, she's such a gorgeous, amazing, strong little girl.
00:35:31.000But so when she was going through a chemo and she lost her hair and it started to grow back, she said to Robin and I, my husband, it was, it literally broke my heart.
00:35:41.000She was like trying to figure out what she wanted to wear that day.
00:36:42.000I think it was, we were so worried about enforcing that she was pretty, you know, because there's this thing in society where like you don't want to tell little girls they're pretty all the time because then they'll prioritize being pretty.
00:36:53.000Like you're just trying to do the best by your children, right?
00:37:17.000She needs to be told she's pretty after she's done a great piece of art or after she's cleaned up her playroom or after she's come out of soccer practice and she's covered in rain and she's like had such a heart and she's sweaty and she's this.
00:37:30.000That's when she's she needs to be told she's pretty in times that are not extraordinary in just normal daily life because I am we're now trying to reinforce that that that positive self-image which is really hard.
00:38:01.000People are like sucking in their waist and changing their body dimensions and making themselves look better physically just with I don't know why they need to.
00:38:16.000And then we have an over-obsession with plastic surgery in the country and changing our appearances and to the point where people like cartoonish BBLs are somehow or another attractive to some people.
00:38:28.000Like I try not to judge and I want everyone to sort of like just, you know, live their best life.
00:39:39.000Did you do that thing or do you do that thing where you look at how old your parents are and then you start like debating how much longer you have left?
00:39:51.000Better to do that than to not do that because you could live your life just acquiring shit and just having a bunch of stuff and then not realize like, oh my God, I forgot about people.
00:41:38.000But 42 years old without realizing how many things can kill you, I think, because I'd lived a pretty blessed life.
00:41:47.000Of course, I'd had some health struggles of my own, but they were, I had thyroid cancer in 2008, but I call it a baby cancer.
00:41:56.000I'm trying to dismiss the fear of it, of course, at the time, but it was never life-threatening.
00:42:00.000It was life-changing, but never life-threatening.
00:42:02.000So the fear was situational and it was not lifelong.
00:42:08.000You know, when our daughter got sick and spending as much time as we did in children's hospitals, when you see the diseases and the illnesses that afflict so many children, it amazes me that we made it to this age.
00:42:28.000And that is a realization where I finally at like, you know, 42, realized how important every day was and how much of a gift every day was, even that we have her, you know.
00:42:43.000But that came to me through circumstance, not because I woke up one day and had an epiphany and went, we're so lucky to be alive.
00:42:49.000Like it didn't really happen until that was threatened to be taken away.
00:42:52.000It's unfortunate that as a civilization and America as a culture that we don't have a history of embracing the moment and discussing how important it is to recognize that you're fortunate and to try to take care of yourself and that life is very temporary and fleeting.
00:43:26.000Like what's really important is love and friendship and doing something you're passionate about and just trying to leave a nice mark on this life while you're here.
00:44:41.000Well, I think so, but a lot of the people that I'm friends with, most of the people that I'm friends with are artists that are more in touch, more sensitive.
00:44:53.000You know, my dad came to me a few years ago and my dad, my entire life, told me to stop being so sensitive.
00:45:37.000I would argue that the majority of the population is and it's not just reserved to California, but I do think that a lot of artists are because they're more in touch with their emotions and their mental health.
00:45:51.000Yeah, there's probably some truth to that for sure.
00:45:53.000Does your father have, do you have brothers?
00:46:28.000Like when I hang out with my, like, if I go out with my wife and all of her friends, I just let them talk and observe the stuff they talk about.
00:46:34.000Like, it's like, you're a totally different culture.
00:46:37.000This is a totally different interests.
00:46:39.000None of my friends would have any of these conversations.
00:46:42.000But we're also have a group of women is arguably more disgusting than men, a group of men.
00:47:01.000Anybody who cleans bathrooms says, dude, the woman's room is always fucking chaos.
00:47:05.000Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else when they get to that bathroom and they don't have any responsibility and no one's looking.
00:49:45.000So I think the one that I'm talking about, so the producer of my show is telling me that there's an AI where you can put in, like, I'm a potato farmer in Idaho who's dealing with a problem with a crop in 2025, and I'm wondering about this.
00:50:02.000It'll put together a podcast for you specifically for that and give you an hour-long podcast talking to you about things like for your potatoes.
00:50:16.000The negative thing is you're going to have like fake humans with like fake lived experiences that are like that resonate with you, that are impactful.
00:54:47.000Like, that's the thing that I think is the slippery slope and that scares me the most is that like, are we going to know if it was created by AI?
00:54:56.000Can a person who's disingenuous come and create a bunch of AI art, have an art show, and say, I created this art.
00:56:13.000But I don't think they're going to need that to get this achievement of a mind meld.
00:56:20.000They're already wearing these wearable things that Google has devised.
00:56:23.000Show that video, Jamie, of those people where they're communicating telepathically.
00:56:28.000You know what I'm talking about, right?
00:56:30.000So they're already doing this with wearables.
00:56:32.000And this is like kind of crude right now, but it's sort of sentences.
00:56:36.000They're reading each other and they're communicating, but they're doing it all nonverbally through technology.
00:56:43.000So I guess my question about that is like if that exists, are people going to be stagnant sitting in their houses, existing outside of their houses in their AI system?
00:58:17.000So it's not like it's then going into their brain.
00:58:20.000His thoughts are being converted to words, which is being converted to an audio file, which makes it to the other person in a different language.
00:59:39.000But I came up with it, and she and I laughed together.
00:59:41.000And then her reactions helped me to turn the story a different direction.
00:59:44.000But like, I've created this like character, right?
00:59:47.000So you can now go into your AI phone or whatever and say, create a nighttime story for Johnny about his day, but pretend like he's an astronaut on Mars and he's working with diggers.
01:00:02.000And it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son.
01:00:11.000But you robbed yourself of the imagination and the work that it would have taken to come up with a story for your son.
01:00:18.000And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together because his reactions would have changed the story and the way that you were creating it as it was going because he's your audience, right?
01:00:31.000That's sad to me, like that, that people are missing out on that.
01:00:35.000You just, you might as well just read your kid a story because you really didn't write him a story.
01:00:42.000That's the thing that I hope as a society, because you're right, it is coming and it's here and it's not slowing down.
01:00:50.000But I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don't want to use it because Johnny's little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children's story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it.
01:01:35.000If that guy figures out that he's on the wrong path and he's got some self-assessment ability and he looks back and goes, okay, what did I do wrong?
01:02:44.000But there also are safeguards in place that like, so my dad's entire family, we grew up in a small town on the Columbia River in Oregon, and his entire family were longshoremen.
01:02:56.000Well, that industry was coming to an end.
01:02:58.000And the longshoremen's union actually paid to have those guys trained in different industry.
01:03:13.000So I, you know, I would, I would love for there to be some protections for when people inevitably do start losing their jobs, that there are avenues for them to learn a new trade.
01:03:25.000I think that would be a great new addition to the way we approach it if they tried to figure out ways to transition people healthy, healthily into other occupations.
01:03:36.000Because there's certain jobs like coders, for example.
01:03:39.000Like my friends that are involved in technology, like do not go to school to code.
01:05:11.000That would be amazing if people with a lot of money wanted to help people and pay their share of taxes and not take advantage of the situation.
01:06:16.000Do you see some of the money that they've uncovered that was being spent on nonsense?
01:06:20.000And you see what happens with NGOs and nonprofits and they're funneling billions to these things and then it's going to countries and it's helping overthrow governments.
01:10:33.000From what I understand, and granted, you need to talk to someone much more informed than I am about this, but there were about hundreds of pages that were just cut off the end.
01:10:44.000So do you think they're just not reviewing what's being cut off?
01:10:47.000They're just saying, look, we have to make cuts to the city.
01:10:49.000I think that, yes, that they just needed to cut a bunch off to avoid inspection and just get the bill passed.
01:12:05.000Like if you have a bill and you have 500, I mean, let's ask Perplexity, our sponsor.
01:12:11.000What is the average amount of different subjects that are covered in any bill?
01:12:18.000Because when they're thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about immigration reform mixed in with Second Amendment rights, mixed in with free speech online, mixed in with support for Israel.
01:12:33.000Well, and you've seen how thick it is.
01:12:35.000And there were times, and I don't remember who said it, but there were times when the big beautiful bill was passing or before it had passed that people had admittedly not even read it.
01:13:46.000That is a problem in this country that our children are not being cared for.
01:13:50.000And we're now in a position where we're not, there are no programs, and if there were, they're gone, that are showing doctors and students that are in medical school, hey, go into pediatrics.
01:14:04.000Hey, if you want to be an anesthesiologist, you want job security?
01:14:21.000Because a lot of these doctors are going to be able to get a lot of money.
01:14:22.000And now that's an average as well, by the way.
01:14:24.000I mean, when they get out, they already have medical school debt.
01:14:28.000And there's liability coverage is very, very high.
01:14:33.000Okay, what is the average amount of subjects included in bills passing U.S. Congress?
01:14:37.000There's no single fixed number of topics per bill, but analysis of legislative practices shows strong trends depending on bill type and scope.
01:14:45.000The majority bills passed by Congress include multiple subjects, and the number has grown over time as omnibus legislation has become the dominant approach.
01:14:55.000Like, what's give me some numbers, though?
01:15:12.000The bill combined all 12 regular appropriation bills for fiscal year 2021, COVID-19 relief, and numerous unrelated legislation provisions, including Copyright Alternative and Small Claims Enforcement Act, Protecting Lawful Streaming Act, Water Resources Development Act, and a variety of other measures on tax, transportation, energy, and health.
01:16:00.000But these people that are like congress people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars through insider trading, we're just like, I don't know what to do.
01:16:07.000Okay, but here's the thing, though, is that like we are things are not getting voted on.
01:16:13.000Like, that's the other thing is that so you take like the Give Kids a Chance Act and then you take these big bills that have so many pages.
01:16:20.000There should be a system in place where things are voted on separately.
01:16:27.000Especially something that is important is pediatric medication.
01:16:30.000Like, that just seems, it seems like a travesty to include that in a bunch of other stuff in a bill.
01:16:37.000Well, and, you know, the crazy thing, so our daughter's cancer, her treatments and her care afterwards, so she's still getting this thing called an MIBG scan, which is a nuclear radiation scan where they inject her body with stuff that is so bad for you.
01:16:51.000But it's all to scan her body to make sure that her cancer hasn't metastasized.
01:16:54.000Like, we need to know this kind of stuff.
01:17:08.000Like, our daughter should never have to get wheeled over to the adult side of a hospital to get an MRI because they don't have a machine on the children's side.
01:17:16.000It just things like that should never be happening.
01:17:18.000This is the stuff that should be supported by our government and our tax dollars.
01:17:23.000Yeah, that's a great example of something that should be supported by tax dollars.
01:17:27.000I've always said that the two most important things for people to be, if you want to allocate money towards helping people, it's education and health care.
01:17:39.000But is there an argument that socialized medicine, I have friends that live in countries with socialized medicine like England and Canada, and it's great in some ways.
01:17:50.000But it's also a nightmare because it takes a long time to get a surgery.
01:17:54.000A lot of the doctors might not be the best.
01:17:57.000You get quite a few botched surgeries that my friends have had.
01:18:00.000And a lot of them have actually come to America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys.
01:18:20.000But there's something to be said for the competition that drives innovation and makes people become the very best in the top of their field.
01:18:28.000But also, the most important things are not that.
01:18:32.000The most important things are regular ordinary health care.
01:18:36.000And some of that stuff can fucking break people.
01:18:39.000Like one bad fall when you don't have health insurance and you're a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt now.
01:18:46.000So did you know that the number one cause of debt in our country is a medical diagnosis?
01:20:13.000If your daughter needs a specialized cancer treatment and you've got to drive six hours each way every day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald house over by a hospital, you're not going to job.
01:21:31.000It definitely has been shown that it's not with some drugs, that they've hyped the price up of drugs because they know people have to buy it.
01:23:18.000And that was all during the Reagan administration.
01:23:20.000The Reagan administration, they changed how they, like what they did with mentally ill people, and they shut down a lot of these institutions and they just let people become homeless.
01:23:31.000We were just having this conversation the other day because it's inhumane to determine how a person should live their life and where they should live their life.
01:23:40.000And yeah, it's a very, very complicated, gray issue for sure.
01:23:46.000You know, you see it in Portland, where I live.
01:23:50.000It is a very complicated issue because there is not one solution.
01:23:54.000It needs to be a multi-pronged solution with a lot of hands on deck.
01:23:59.000I mean, in Portland, it's gotten, it was almost, I think, another thing that Portland did that was, I think, directionally correct, which was they decriminalized everything.
01:24:09.000They said, look, we're not going to criminalize you for doing cocaine or having mushrooms.
01:24:13.000We're just, we're not going to treat that like your personal use is a crime of anything.
01:24:18.000But unfortunately, when they did that, people moved there to do drugs.
01:24:22.000Well, unfortunately, when they did that, they didn't put the services in place ahead of time to be prepared for it.
01:24:27.000Well, you would need a lot of services.
01:24:29.000You would need like real counseling and real health care.
01:24:32.000And you really should have an Ibergaine center.
01:24:35.000If you're going to have anything that is dealing with addiction, which is one of the primary factors of these people being homeless.
01:24:43.000Well, yeah, I mean, it's a chicken egg thing, right?
01:24:45.000Because like what comes, what comes first, the addiction or the, you know, the homelessness.
01:24:50.000They should have set up Ibergain centers.
01:24:53.000If you've got a decriminalized society, set up Ibergain centers in Oregon.
01:24:57.000I mean, it'd be the perfect place for it.
01:25:04.000And if you can get them out of whatever funk they're in, whether it's an opioid or crystal meth or whatever the thing that is that has captured their life and let them find out who they are as a human, you could probably save a bunch of those folks.
01:25:46.000It's just a stain on us as a community that we don't do anything about it.
01:25:52.000And the answer is not just lock them up.
01:25:53.000I think they're doing something crazy out here where they're bringing in the National Guard and they're sweeping up all the encampments and like that doesn't fix it.
01:26:02.000You're just penalizing people for being fucked.
01:26:25.000It's like that is almost where places like Skid Row are.
01:26:30.000Like that it's so crazy that you've let it get this bad for so long.
01:26:34.000To even clean it up, it's almost like you have to start from scratch.
01:26:37.000So it's almost like you'd have to take those people, you'd have to set up treatment places and take those people and convince them that there's a way to a life, that you don't want to live like this forever.
01:26:48.000There's a way to a life and we're going to try to help you.
01:26:50.000And have these places that are set up where they have counselors and food.
01:27:28.000But I also know that it is not, it's a multi-pronged problem, like I said.
01:27:33.000You know, a lot of people don't want to go into the shelters because they have an animal or they have a lot of stuff and there's limits on how many bags you can bring in.
01:27:55.000It's going to take somebody a lot more creative than me and a lot of money and a lot of open-minded people to figure out what to do because it's a big problem.
01:28:34.000There's no, this is a completely new thing as far as I know.
01:28:38.000There was during the Great Depression though, but that was just like horrific poverty where they had shanty towns where whole families were living in these set up shanty towns because they couldn't afford to be in a house.
01:28:50.000Do you think it's a loss of, in some regard, it's a loss of community and it's a loss of empathy and caring for people?
01:28:59.000You know, I know that like in the town that I grew up, when somebody was down on their luck, everybody would come together and help that person.
01:29:17.000Because where there's the most people, not only are you going to have the higher percentage or rather a higher number of people with mental illnesses, but you're also going to have this thing that happens when you have too many people that live in a place where you don't value each other.
01:29:31.000Like, I live in a neighborhood where there's a guy that lives in my neighborhood, this old fella, and he's always working on his garden.
01:31:44.000But it's going to take a coordinated effort from our representatives to actually care about people enough to figure out what the right solution is.
01:31:55.000I would like to talk to the people that spent the $24 billion in California and go, what did you guys do?
01:32:20.000Los Angeles alone is a strange place in some neighborhoods where you're just driving through.
01:32:26.000You just see like, oh, this is like, if I was looking at a piece of fruit and the piece of fruit had like this bruised area and I was like, oh, what happened to this?
01:33:31.000What's screwy is just let this thing get bigger.
01:33:34.000Like, no, you got to dump a lot of resources into removing these tent communities, setting these people up in some sort of a community center, some sort of a rehabilitation center.
01:34:02.000And it's going to fuck it up for them too.
01:34:04.000And it's going to cost everybody money.
01:34:06.000You'd be better off spending that money trying to help those people.
01:34:09.000And I guarantee you, at least some of them are going to pop through on the other side, figure it out and become successful and be forever eternally grateful.
01:34:17.000And they'll be able to help more people do the same.
01:34:19.000There's always a few of those people that come out of those kind of treatment centers that can help other people do it.
01:34:24.000I would be really curious to see like statistically what the common denominator of the majority of the homeless people in the U.S., what it was.
01:34:36.000Like if there's studies where they actually went around.
01:34:45.000And granted, I do not know enough about this to be speaking about it with authority.
01:34:48.000I'm not sure if I jump right to a first conclusion.
01:34:51.000But you do talk to some people that find themselves homeless.
01:34:56.000And I've had this conversation with somebody who found themselves homeless and started doing drugs because try spending the night out on the street.
01:35:20.000At that point in time, you're literally outside.
01:35:23.000Well, or you have high self-respect, but you had a really shitty fucking day.
01:35:27.000Or you're, you know, someone you were caring for had cancer and you lost your house because they passed and you didn't go to work for a year and a half.
01:35:35.000Like for whatever reason, you then start using drugs because it helps numb the life.
01:36:12.000I think just I think it could be done with that $24 billion.
01:36:18.000I just think that there's a lot of incentive.
01:36:21.000There's a lot of wasted money in this country, let's be honest.
01:36:24.000It's also, this is a thing, unfortunately, that they campaign with.
01:36:28.000You know, when there's certain issues that I think politicians genuinely don't want resolved because they can campaign on solving those problems.
01:38:24.000Well, if you wanted to put a tinfoil hat on, I'm trying to keep people down, trying to hold down society so I can control it.
01:38:30.000I just want to fuck up the education system, put as little money into it as possible, guarantee chaos, guarantee lawlessness, at least in some segments of society.
01:38:39.000That way we can always have reasons to bring the military onto the streets and reasons to arrest people and reasons to enact new laws and reasons to put people on digital ID.
01:38:48.000Like if you wanted to get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn't solve it because they don't want to solve it because they want the south side of Chicago to still look like Afghanistan, the height of the war.
01:39:15.000And it's like politically, it's not your best weapon.
01:39:20.000Like your best weapon are what are the big cultural issues.
01:39:24.000You know, if it is immigration reform, if you're one of those people that wants to close the border and want to stop these immigrants coming through.
01:39:32.000And if you're on the other side, if it's, we want compassion and we want health care for all, like then those are the things that you start, you start throwing around.
01:39:40.000Those are the things that are going to get you votes, right?
01:39:42.000If you say, I'm going to campaign to make sure that we have health care for infants, because right now pediatricians and physicians don't get paid as much.
01:40:30.000It's like, I don't understand how anybody who loves their kids would not want their kids to be taught by the best people possible.
01:40:36.000So unless you're in abject poverty, where you can't even think about where your taxes go, if you have children, you should be thinking like, boy, I hope they get the best people to teach my kids.
01:40:48.000Instead, we get people that are willing to take a job that pays so little that like almost anybody with a bachelor degree can get a better job somewhere else financially.
01:41:45.000So she quit her job and stayed home and started doing yoga and was like, okay, I think I'm ready to try and contribute a little bit again and figure something out.
01:41:56.000And maybe I'll go walk dogs because, you know, I like dogs.
01:42:04.000By the time she started watching our dogs like at her home overnight for like a month while I was on location, she was making more money as a dog sitter slash dog walker than she ever did as a lawyer.
01:42:18.000But she sounds like an exceptional dog walker, though.
01:42:21.000A lawyer's mind to the dog walking business.
01:43:20.000I think with people like that, generally, they've never tried to, this is what I think is one of the things that's very important for kids.
01:43:29.000Whatever that thing is, whether your thing is painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find a thing that's hard to do and work on getting better at that thing.
01:43:40.000And that'll teach you so much about what life is.
01:43:43.000And if you don't do that, if you just do the work that school gives you and then you go home and you watch TV and then you hang out with your friends and you do the work that school and you don't get involved in anything that really tests you as a person, like test your creativity or test your endurance if you want to be a runner.
01:44:01.000Are you willing to get up every morning and actually do the work?
01:44:03.000Like things that test you, they teach you the process of enjoying things and getting better at things.
01:44:11.000And when people don't go through that when they're young, it's a real problem trying to find a thing and commit to it.
01:44:18.000You almost have to stumble upon it and get lucky.
01:44:20.000My parents, though, like when, you know, I didn't, I wasn't raised by anybody in the arts.
01:44:59.000But my parents told me I could do things, you know, and then at a very young age, this is where representation matters.
01:45:05.000At a very young age, I, in high school, was dating a hockey player who was my age, was playing for the WHL team in Portland and got drafted.
01:45:15.000So when I was 17 years old, I saw an 18-year-old get drafted in the NHL.
01:45:19.000And in my mind, somebody my age did something really hard that required a lot of work, but he made it.
01:45:27.000And him making it and seeing that happen in a counterpart of mine gave me the courage to go, I'm moving to California.
01:45:38.000You have to have encouraging parents and you have to have the means to be able to pursue the things that you want to pursue.
01:45:44.000But you also have to have representation and see other people around you succeed that are your age or that you identify with or that look like you.
01:48:39.000True infinity is not just the size of the universe itself being infinite, but of literally your universe is a small part of another being that's in another universe.
01:50:15.000We were just going over it the other day.
01:50:16.000There was an article that was stating that whatever they use to detect what is around this, they can detect the composition, whether it's mostly water, vapor, mostly iron.
01:50:31.000This thing is giving off the indications that is an alloy that only exists on Earth through industrial alloy making processes.
01:50:45.000And that's what they're getting is the signal that this thing that is hurling through space, this massive object that's moving, by the way, from the same direction in space where the WOW signal came.
01:51:24.000The WOW signal is a powerful 72-second narrow band radio signal detected on August 15th, 1977 by the Big Ear Radio Telescope at Ohio State University, which initially suggested an extraterrestrial origin, named for the WOW, written in printout by the astronomer Jerry.
01:51:46.000The signal had characteristics expected from a technological source, but follow-up efforts have failed to detect it again.
01:51:53.000The leading hypothesis is that a natural astrophysical event, such as a flare from a magnetar, briefly illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud, causing it to emit radio signal similar to a laser.
01:52:15.000And then now this thing is coming through there.
01:52:17.000So if you think how fast this thing is going, if it came from the other side of the galaxy, it's probably exactly how long it would take to get here.
01:52:42.000Like as it gets closer, it's weirder and weirder.
01:52:46.000They've never seen anything like this.
01:52:47.000But is it possible then that another planet out in the universes isn't made up of, has alloy properties, and it could have chipped off and it's now hurtling through space?
01:53:02.000Yeah, you would have to ask a metallurgist that question.
01:53:35.000They'd be like, hey, hey, hey, what the fucking nukes.
01:53:39.000Or do you think they're just up there going, you're going to have to save yourself, kids?
01:53:43.000Perhaps, maybe, perhaps it's a process that all intelligent emerging life goes through.
01:53:48.000And then, you know, you have to kind of let it go through the process, like you have to let your kids fall down.
01:53:55.000In contrast to all known comets, including the interstellar comet 21 Borisov, the observed spectrum of the gas plume around 31 Atlas shows prominent nickel emission, but no evidence for iron.
01:54:07.000Other than 31 Atlas, this anomaly was only known to exist in industrially produced nickel alloys through the carbonyl chemical pathway, which refines nickel through the formation and decomposition of nickel tetracarbyl carbonyl, tetracarbonyl.
01:54:24.000The authors of the new paper postulate that this carbonyl process is realized naturally near the nucleus of 31 Atlas.
01:54:31.000They argue that this in situ formation of this thing predicts that nickel should be strongly concentrated near the nucleus.
01:54:41.000So it's like the whole thing is some very weird metal.
01:54:46.000And it's also that they're, it's weird the way it's moving.
01:54:51.000what are they saying about the way it's moving there's something about self-correcting or something I think they thought it had some emission.
01:57:09.000I don't know if they do that, but I know that they put a praying mantis in a box, and then they'll drop a roach in, and the praying mantis just snatches it up and just starts eating the roach alive.
01:57:35.000Is that we spend so much time, or I guess in our imagination, like we've been conditioned to think that, you know, intelligent life looks like something from these movies.
01:57:44.000So we all think intelligent life is, you know, these guys with big heads or they look like us or, you know, whatever we think.
01:57:53.000But they absolutely could literally be a flea.
02:05:46.000And like these, you know, I have found that the sci-fi community, especially, like one of my favorite things is going to conventions because I love, I just, I love meeting people and like new people and meeting the people that are fans of the work.
02:07:25.000There are times I have, I have since like, Ron Moore was on my podcast and I told him that like for 25 years, I have not been able to forget this fucking violent decompressions line.
02:12:37.000But then when you see the actual alien itself, you're like, what the hell is that?
02:12:42.000You never saw anything like that before.
02:12:44.000Not only was it completely unique in its design, it was horrific and it looked like an insect, like an insect and a reptile at the same time.
02:12:55.000Sci-fi was a place because I, so I was a huge fan of strong women and genre work.
02:13:02.000And I found myself gravitating toward sci-fi because that's where women existed that I identified with and I saw myself.
02:13:12.000Like, you know, I didn't see myself as like this, you know, well, the characters I played when I moved to California, they didn't, it didn't feel like me, you know?
02:13:23.000And I really found sort of my calling, I guess, when I started watching those women.
02:13:31.000And I loved Sarah Michelle Geller, and I loved Lucy Lawless, and I loved Linda Hamilton, and Carrie Fisher, and like a lot of these women that were Just really, really great characters.
02:13:47.000And they were written as great characters.
02:13:49.000And Starbuck was, and if you talk to Ron Moore about it, the reason why he made Starbuck and Boomer women, he didn't think about it.
02:13:58.000He just said, okay, we've got, these are the characters from the original.
02:14:01.000These are the characters we're going to put in my version.
02:15:15.000I did a Spartan race with my husband because on my podcast channel, I was, you know, during COVID and then like before COVID, we were, I was creating content of sort of like Katie did sort of stuff.
02:15:53.000At one point, so I get to the actual race and I'd been training with such heavy shit that I got to the medicine ball where you have to pick it up, carry it and throw it and then pick it up and carry it and throw it.
02:16:04.000And I was prepared for it to be like so heavy.
02:16:06.000I got to it and I picked it up and then like I threw it and it kept going and I had to slow down because I had to go get the ball and bring it back to where it was supposed to be.
02:16:42.000Why do you think it is that like sci-fi in particular embraced these like gangster women characters?
02:16:51.000So my opinion on this is that I feel like because science fiction doesn't exist, because you're existing in these make-believe worlds, that strong women were not intimidating in sci-fi because we could be dismissed as not, but that wouldn't happen in real life.
02:19:02.000But it's like, that's the female John Wick.
02:19:04.000Well, I think everybody's trying to create these strong female characters now.
02:19:08.000And I think that one of the biggest problems with a lot of them is that they're not focusing on the character to begin with, like we talked about.
02:19:18.000Like, write a strong character and then just make her a woman.
02:23:41.000Think that we've made physical fitness in some way because it's an industry.
02:23:46.000I think we've made it daunting for a lot of people.
02:23:48.000And, you know, I think that if you just focus on the things, the tried and true, like you can do that stuff in your house without weights or with things that are heavy in your house, you know, you can actually make progress.
02:24:21.000Shit, you can go to my YouTube channel because during COVID, I was doing my workouts and I said to my husband, I was like, might as well record this shit and put it out there.
02:24:29.000So yeah, and all of them are fun and interesting and easy.
02:24:33.000And people still come up to me and they're like, I lost, you know, a man came up to me at a convention the other day.
02:24:38.000He said he lost over 80 pounds doing the workouts that I put and signed up for a Spartan race, Spartan race.
02:27:06.000So we just changed it to the Sackoff Show.
02:27:09.000And we're actually, like I said, doing in the new year a Battle Circle Actica rewatch as well because I've, like I said, I've never seen it.
02:28:51.000That helps a lot because you hear the talk, the over talking, which we all tend to do sometimes accidentally because sometimes you don't know when to come in.
02:29:36.000Like I wanted to, you know, one of the things that came out of COVID for me was that, and I don't know about you, but I had weekly conversations with girlfriends I hadn't talked to in years.
02:29:46.000And we were like every Tuesday at four o'clock, we'd have a drink and connect again.
02:29:50.000And the conversations were wonderful because we had the time to have them again.
02:29:54.000And then I started going back to conventions and in the green room, I was having these wonderful conversations with people.
02:30:01.000And I was like, God, I wish I could record these because they're really authentic.
02:30:06.000And you're getting to see people in a very different light.
02:30:09.000And they're really opening up because it's not like a gotcha podcast.
02:30:14.000Like, you know, if you want to cut something out, you can cut something out.
02:30:17.000Like, I'm not here to like ruin your career.
02:30:33.000Well, don't you think like you're learning in the process as well?
02:30:36.000Isn't that like one of the more fun parts of it?
02:30:39.000The more you get to talk to interesting people, the more you learn, the more you understand how other people think and how they feel about stuff.
02:30:48.000You know, like if I have like a month where I'm not hustling and someone comes on the podcast and they're like, I got six things in production.