The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2400 - Katee Sackhoff

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 Especially in Hollywood, right?

00:00:13.000 You always have a little bounce with this guy standing there with the biggest.

00:00:17.000 You always need someone like wandering around in front of you, especially when you get to a certain age.

00:00:22.000 You're like, can we just put Vaseline on the camera at a certain point?

00:00:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, my wife actually likes it when her lens on her camera phone is like blurry. 1.00

00:00:33.000 A little dirty.

00:00:33.000 She's like, it gives you like a little filter.

00:00:35.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 I'm sure they offer that filter.

00:00:38.000 Slightly dirty lens.

00:00:39.000 Yeah, smudgy lens.

00:00:40.000 Yeah.

00:00:42.000 So really nice to meet you.

00:00:43.000 That's nice to meet you.

00:00:44.000 You were a part of, I think, the most underappreciated sci-fi show ever.

00:00:50.000 I think at the time, absolutely.

00:00:52.000 And even now, I don't think people talk about it enough.

00:00:54.000 It was a fucking great show.

00:00:55.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 And I was so skeptical about Battlestar Galactica because when I was a kid, I watched the original series.

00:01:01.000 And then there was a new one coming out.

00:01:03.000 And I was like, oh, come on.

00:01:05.000 And then somebody told me, I forget one of my friends, one of my comedian friends, like, dude, you got to watch the show.

00:01:09.000 It's fucking great.

00:01:10.000 Like, it's not what you expect.

00:01:12.000 Like, you'd think it'd be like the old Battlestar Galactica, which is kind of sort of corny a little bit, but it was a really fucking good show.

00:01:19.000 When did you watch it?

00:01:20.000 When it was on or after?

00:01:22.000 No, when it was on.

00:01:23.000 Okay, so originally.

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, it was, God.

00:01:27.000 Like, when I first got the script, it was like 2001.

00:01:30.000 And I was a 21-year-old kid.

00:01:33.000 And at that point, I'd been playing like stereotypical blonde roles. 0.83

00:01:38.000 You know, I was in a movie where you were like, please die.

00:01:40.000 You know, like, I was that girl, you know.

00:01:43.000 And so I knew that if I could change my career, I needed to change it.

00:01:47.000 And I saw this script.

00:01:49.000 That's hilarious that you're thinking I need to change my career at 21.

00:01:52.000 That's how crazy the hourglass is in Hollywood.

00:01:55.000 I was like, this is, I got, I got seven years left.

00:01:58.000 It's so crazy.

00:01:59.000 That's such a fucking sketchy job.

00:02:02.000 And so I was like, what am I going to do?

00:02:02.000 I know.

00:02:04.000 Right.

00:02:05.000 And I saw this script and Ron Moore had put a like a an entry page on the front of the mini-series.

00:02:14.000 It was like a Bible that he called it.

00:02:16.000 And it was him saying what he wanted to create and what he wanted it to look like and what his intention was behind the show.

00:02:22.000 And that one page was so moving that it could have been, I don't, it didn't even matter what it was on the inside.

00:02:30.000 I was like, if this guy is in charge, it's going to be amazing.

00:02:33.000 And as soon as I got introduced to Starbuck, like reading that script, I was like, this is it.

00:02:40.000 Like this is, this is the character that if I can book this character, like it will change the way that people see me in this business.

00:02:49.000 And granted, I was 21.

00:02:51.000 People were not talking about me.

00:02:53.000 You know, I'd been working for five years at that point and pretty steadily.

00:02:57.000 Like I had a good career going, but like I was not someone that like people called home about yet.

00:03:03.000 I was on the list, you know, but that show changed everything.

00:03:08.000 Well, it was also a risky thing because you were playing a role that was played by a man.

00:03:14.000 So that was a thing where there's like a little bit of, oh, there's a girl playing Starbuck now. 1.00

00:03:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:03:22.000 It was really strange.

00:03:23.000 So I was like almost had booked the part or was maybe I'd booked the part.

00:03:28.000 I don't quite remember.

00:03:28.000 And I called my dad, who's a huge science fiction fan and raised me on like sci-fi.

00:03:33.000 And I was like, I booked this job.

00:03:35.000 And he was like, that's amazing.

00:03:36.000 And I said, Battlestar Galactic.

00:03:36.000 What is it?

00:03:38.000 And he went, oh my God, that's great.

00:03:39.000 I watched that when I was, you know, younger.

00:03:41.000 And he was like, who are you playing?

00:03:43.000 And I said, Starbuck.

00:03:44.000 And he was like, oh, fuck.

00:03:49.000 You need to go watch this.

00:03:51.000 And I was like, okay, all right.

00:03:54.000 So I like tomps on down to, you know, blockbuster video and I rent the VHS maybe, the DVDs.

00:04:01.000 I don't remember what it was.

00:04:02.000 And I'm sitting on the couch with a girlfriend and we like opened a bottle of wine and we're like watching this to like be like, okay, what's my dad talking about?

00:04:10.000 And at some point she looked at me and they were like talking about Starbuck and I was like, that's so weird.

00:04:14.000 We must have missed her.

00:04:16.000 Where is she?

00:04:17.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:04:18.000 And we rewound it a little bit and I was like, oh, crap.

00:04:22.000 It's a crazy.

00:04:23.000 And then I turned it off and I never watched it again because I knew that in that moment it wasn't the same character.

00:04:29.000 It's not the same show.

00:04:30.000 It's not the same show.

00:04:31.000 It's kind of crazy that they did that because they made a way better show about a show that was just kind of nostalgic.

00:04:39.000 It was.

00:04:39.000 I mean, it really only existed for a year, I think.

00:04:42.000 And then they had like a movie or two afterwards.

00:04:45.000 But it was a very short-lived show.

00:04:49.000 And I always find it absolutely amazing.

00:04:52.000 Ron Moore is a genius, by the way.

00:04:54.000 Like he's absolutely his, to be a fly on the wall of that brain would probably just explode in my head.

00:05:00.000 But he, the fact that he saw what he saw and led the charge on that show and brought the people on board that he did that had the same vision, if not, you know, hire people that are better than you, you know, and so he hired people that added to the vision that he wanted to create.

00:05:19.000 And he, man, the fact that he saw that from the original was pretty amazing.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, kind of crazy because the original show was basically a ripoff of Star Wars.

00:05:30.000 It was.

00:05:30.000 They were just trying to make a Star Wars TV show.

00:05:33.000 I mean, I think that, you know, Starbuck was Han Solo.

00:05:33.000 I think so.

00:05:36.000 Right.

00:05:38.000 And the Cylons were kind of like stormtroopers, robot stormtroopers. 1.00

00:05:42.000 It was pretty, yeah, exactly.

00:05:45.000 I don't know who Daggett the Dog was.

00:05:47.000 No, I don't know.

00:05:48.000 I mean, what they did was, you know, they took like a frame, they said, like, I see what you were trying to do, but this could be a real show.

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:58.000 I mean, and it came out in a time where science fiction was allowed to be incredibly topical.

00:06:08.000 And it was always dismissed as, oh, that's just science fiction.

00:06:12.000 It's not real.

00:06:13.000 So Battlestar was allowed to talk about controversial things that were happening currently in the environment and in our country and abroad.

00:06:23.000 And it was allowed to do so because everybody just dismissed it as sci-fi.

00:06:27.000 And so it's incredibly moving, the show, and people identify with it.

00:06:33.000 The thing that I hear the most about the show, I mean, maybe not the most, but one of the things is when I go to sci-fi conventions, someone will inevitably come up with a DVD box that is just beat to shit.

00:06:45.000 It's dirty.

00:06:46.000 It's like, they don't even know if the DVDs play anymore.

00:06:49.000 And they're like, you know, this came with me when I was, you know, stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq.

00:06:56.000 And it passed through the entire barracks and it got us through.

00:07:01.000 Thank you.

00:07:02.000 And that to me is really amazing that a fictional show about people searching for earth can be so important and relevant to people that are in the military, which is, it says something for the writing.

00:07:27.000 Well, people need an escape.

00:07:29.000 And that's one of the things like entertainment is dismissed, especially like fantasy entertainment like sci-fi.

00:07:35.000 It's dismissed as being nonsense.

00:07:37.000 But escape is not nonsense.

00:07:39.000 It's actually like brain medicine.

00:07:41.000 Like you need it.

00:07:42.000 You need a little escape.

00:07:43.000 Of course you do.

00:07:44.000 And especially if like it's escape that's also inspirational and interesting and fascinating.

00:07:49.000 It occupies your mind and it frees you up.

00:07:51.000 If you're in the middle of a fucking war zone and you can take some entertainment value out of a television show that's about robots that are trying to kill everybody.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:02.000 It's like very valuable.

00:08:04.000 Some of the hardest moments in my life, current and in the past, have been able, I've been able to get through them because of television and film.

00:08:15.000 Not because like I'm in it.

00:08:17.000 Yes, the fantasy of going to work and being somebody else absolutely takes you out of your own skin for a second.

00:08:23.000 But like, you know, going through the health struggles with our daughter, watching TV with her completely transports you to a different place.

00:08:32.000 Right.

00:08:32.000 You know, I mean, we can all do that.

00:08:34.000 We can all relate to that.

00:08:35.000 So I mean, you can get too much of it in your life where you're just wasting your life away.

00:08:39.000 But as a supplement to life, I think that entertainment is very important.

00:08:45.000 It is.

00:08:46.000 And it's also, I think we get something very valuable out of viewing other people's creations.

00:08:52.000 I think there's something to that when a group of people put together something really cool and when it's over, you're like, wow, that was fucking awesome.

00:08:58.000 Art is really important.

00:09:01.000 I think that, you know, creating just art in any, any medium is really important because it transports people.

00:09:09.000 It makes them feel something, whether it makes you feel whatever it makes you feel.

00:09:15.000 It's incredibly important.

00:09:16.000 One of my favorite things is to go to a concert and experience live music with a crowd.

00:09:21.000 It is absolutely amazing.

00:09:24.000 It's amazing.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, it's a different thing, right?

00:09:27.000 Because there's some sort of a mind meld with the entire audience.

00:09:32.000 Where you feel this energy of everybody enjoying the same thing together.

00:09:32.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 It's like the shared happiness.

00:09:38.000 It's the same with a comedy show.

00:09:39.000 I mean, it's that it's when an audience is with you when you're, I mean, it's got to feel like the same thing.

00:09:44.000 You can tell instantaneously if the audience is going to be good if you've won them over, I would imagine.

00:09:49.000 Yeah, there's that.

00:09:50.000 But there's, you know, there's also just the thing of, there's a thing of you're kind of, when you're a comedian, you're kind of almost like a passenger at a certain point.

00:10:00.000 And you're really just, you're just, you know what to do and you sort of like leave yourself out the door and just go into it and then perform it.

00:10:11.000 And then it becomes alive.

00:10:13.000 And then you're riding it.

00:10:14.000 And then the audience rides it with you.

00:10:17.000 That's when it's at the best.

00:10:18.000 But it's a mass hypnosis is what it is.

00:10:22.000 It's like everybody is on the same mind page.

00:10:25.000 And that's the same with a great concert.

00:10:27.000 You know, when a great song comes on and your body literally changes like, fuck yeah.

00:10:32.000 Like there's a feeling like a drug that comes over you because you hear a great song.

00:10:37.000 I'm literally laughing because like I don't, I don't know if you've got your kids are like in the right age of this, but like, so K-pop Demon Hunter is like taking over the world right now on Netflix.

00:10:48.000 Our daughter is four and we were like a little reluctant, but I was like, everyone's talking about this thing.

00:10:55.000 And like she'd already heard some of the music.

00:10:57.000 So I was like, let's try it out.

00:10:58.000 And there were a couple moments that were like a bit, we were, my husband was a bit uncomfortable with some of like the sexualization aspects of it.

00:11:07.000 Just the girls wearing more adult clothes.

00:11:09.000 She's three and a half.

00:11:09.000 Is this an anime show?

00:11:10.000 It's anime out of it.

00:11:11.000 It's a demon hunter.

00:11:13.000 There it is.

00:11:14.000 Hot anime lady.

00:11:15.000 It is.

00:11:16.000 The music from this thing is absolutely phenomenal.

00:11:23.000 What's going on with their bodies?

00:11:24.000 The message.

00:11:24.000 Well, the animation is really interesting, actually.

00:11:27.000 It's really interesting.

00:11:28.000 But it's the message behind it, fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you are, not hiding an aspect of yourself that you're ashamed of, but making it part of who you are and being proud of it.

00:11:42.000 It's like a very good message, like even for like a four-year-old.

00:11:46.000 But the music is taking over the world.

00:11:49.000 And we didn't realize how crazy this was.

00:11:51.000 And the final star where I was like, fine, well, let her watch the damn thing.

00:11:54.000 She was at music class and one kid started singing this song from K-pop Demon Hunter.

00:11:59.000 And within, I shit you not like 20 seconds, every single kid was singing these songs.

00:12:05.000 And these are not easy songs to sing.

00:12:07.000 They're half R ⁇ B, like half rap.

00:12:09.000 Like, I mean, these are hard songs.

00:12:11.000 And these five, six-year-olds have this thing memorized.

00:12:15.000 And I was like, oh my God.

00:12:18.000 And so we sit down and we watch it.

00:12:20.000 It's phenomenal.

00:12:21.000 We've seen it three times.

00:12:23.000 It's so good.

00:12:24.000 I was listening to the sound drug on the way here.

00:12:26.000 I was like, this shit's like, this is amazing.

00:12:27.000 And then I'm Googling, is K-pop Demon Hunter going on concert tour?

00:12:31.000 Like, are they going to go?

00:12:32.000 Because I really want to see this.

00:12:33.000 How could they go on tour?

00:12:34.000 Are they real people?

00:12:35.000 And they are, and they're real musicians.

00:12:36.000 Wait a minute.

00:12:37.000 So there's real musicians that are at the heart of this.

00:12:39.000 The stars of K-pop Demon Hunter will make their first ever live concert appearance.

00:12:42.000 Stop it.

00:12:43.000 Well, wait a minute.

00:12:44.000 How is that possible?

00:12:45.000 They're not human.

00:12:46.000 So it was, it was actually, they all are.

00:12:48.000 So the music is created.

00:12:50.000 There is video out there of the girls singing the songs, the song Golden, the three of them.

00:12:54.000 What do they look like?

00:12:55.000 Do they look like Taylor Swift?

00:12:56.000 They look a little like their characters.

00:12:58.000 Because those ladies all have Taylor Swift bodies, these long, long bodies. 1.00

00:13:02.000 No, I honestly haven't paid attention to their bodies, to be honest, because they're such like phenomenal singers.

00:13:07.000 They're so stylized.

00:13:08.000 Like one of them has like diamond, like the diamond studs on her teeth, like when she was singing.

00:13:16.000 And our daughter was like, what is this?

00:13:17.000 I was like, you're too young.

00:13:19.000 You can't have diamonds in your baby teeth.

00:13:22.000 I mean, I guess if you're going to get diamonds on your teeth, put them in the baby teeth, right?

00:13:25.000 Right.

00:13:26.000 But I was like, no, we're not married.

00:13:28.000 But she, I love the message behind it, but the music is infectious.

00:13:31.000 It's really phenomenal.

00:13:33.000 And I want to go to one of these concerts.

00:13:35.000 That's hilarious.

00:13:36.000 What are they doing?

00:13:36.000 So now I guess I'm going to jingle bell.

00:13:38.000 The actual, because that's like if you have these anime characters that represent the music, and then all of a sudden you see a human doing it.

00:13:45.000 You're like, oh.

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 It probably needs to be better if AI made the music.

00:13:48.000 Stop it.

00:13:50.000 It will never be better if AI makes the music.

00:13:54.000 You just broke my soul, Joe.

00:13:55.000 No.

00:13:55.000 AI is making some really good music.

00:13:57.000 It's also making some great podcasts.

00:13:59.000 It's very uncomfortable.

00:14:00.000 I don't know about that.

00:14:01.000 I've heard that it's coming out with podcasts.

00:14:03.000 Oh, they're the ladies. 1.00

00:14:04.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 Quite lovely.

00:14:06.000 Do they look like the characters a little bit?

00:14:08.000 Wow, well, they're like ladies crazy hair. 1.00

00:14:10.000 So they're going to go on tour.

00:14:12.000 Are they going to have, I wonder if they're going to have the show playing in the background this week?

00:14:15.000 So, and the lead girl that plays Rumi wrote a lot of the songs as well.

00:14:20.000 Like, they're just phenomenally talented.

00:14:25.000 It's interesting, like, Korea has like their own style of pop music.

00:14:29.000 Very influenced by the U.S., I think, too, and rap music and R ⁇ B music in the U.S., I think.

00:14:36.000 Yeah.

00:14:37.000 So when you decided to take the role of Starbuck, was there any, like, was there any like actual backlash where people were like, this should be a guy?

00:14:47.000 Yeah, there was.

00:14:48.000 The first time we went to Comic-Con in San Diego, they had us in Hall H and I was booed.

00:14:58.000 Shut up. 0.95

00:14:59.000 I was booed.

00:15:00.000 It was pretty.

00:15:01.000 No way.

00:15:02.000 So I, and I had learned is everyone, the internet did not exist yet, mind you.

00:15:02.000 Yeah.

00:15:07.000 It was like brand new.

00:15:09.000 You had to go down to the internet cafe, buy 30 minutes.

00:15:12.000 How crazy is that to say?

00:15:14.000 Yeah, right?

00:15:14.000 That the internet didn't exist.

00:15:16.000 No, 2003, we were shooting.

00:15:18.000 That's crazy.

00:15:19.000 Is that crazy?

00:15:19.000 It was barely an internet back.

00:15:20.000 Barely an internet.

00:15:22.000 So I went down to an internet cafe because someone was like, I guess they're talking about the show in these message boards.

00:15:28.000 And I was like, what's the internet?

00:15:29.000 So I went on down, I logged on, and I saw this thread and just the hate that I was getting in this thread.

00:15:40.000 I was like, oh, don't Google yourself.

00:15:43.000 Google, I don't even think was a thing.

00:15:44.000 I was like, don't search yourself.

00:15:46.000 Don't Netflix Navigator yourself.

00:15:47.000 Ever.

00:15:49.000 And then, you know, we went to Comic-Con and I was booed.

00:15:52.000 And I think it upset me a little bit.

00:15:55.000 I think it did.

00:15:58.000 I would be lying if I said it didn't upset me.

00:16:01.000 But luckily, there were enough people that were championing the show that I really didn't pay any mind of it.

00:16:11.000 And I was also in that age where it was the perfect age.

00:16:14.000 I mean, I think now it would probably break me.

00:16:16.000 But at 23, I was like, it was like the blissful ignorance of youth, you know, like I didn't think the show would last anyway.

00:16:23.000 So it was like, you know, whatever, like not a big deal, just a blip on the radar.

00:16:28.000 Like, I'm in Hall H, you know?

00:16:31.000 And then I think that it slowly started witting people over.

00:16:36.000 And then I would go to cons after that and the line would be longer and the people would be more supportive and people would say, I didn't want to like it and I love it.

00:16:45.000 And I almost feel like the show was burdened by the original show.

00:16:49.000 That sounds crazy, but I think initially it was burdened by the expectations of the original show.

00:16:55.000 Well, I think everything is burdened by expectation, right?

00:16:57.000 I mean, I think that that's absolutely true.

00:16:59.000 And so it's, it's, I'm sure it was.

00:17:01.000 There are still people that say that they can't do it, that they were such a fan of the original.

00:17:06.000 And my response to them is always like, do you love sci-fi?

00:17:11.000 Do you love good sci-fi?

00:17:12.000 And they say yes.

00:17:13.000 And I'm like, then separate it, have zero expectation and just give it, give it three hours of your time.

00:17:20.000 If you don't get through the mini-series and love it, so what?

00:17:23.000 You lost three hours.

00:17:24.000 Okay.

00:17:25.000 But I don't think that'll happen.

00:17:27.000 No, if you're a fan of sci-fi, it's one of the best ever.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:31.000 So I've actually, I've actually never seen it.

00:17:33.000 You just did it.

00:17:34.000 You never saw it?

00:17:35.000 I've never seen it.

00:17:36.000 So we would have DVDs that you could watch that were uncut and sort of, you know, or I guess they were cut, but they didn't have any of the special effects, none of the sound effects, anything like that.

00:17:46.000 I hadn't been color corrected.

00:17:47.000 And I would watch them just to sort of like keep track of where Starbuck was because in film you a lot of times shoot out of order.

00:17:55.000 Right.

00:17:55.000 So I just wanted to know, okay, so in her story, she was here, but I didn't watch anybody else's stuff.

00:18:00.000 I would just fast forward through it.

00:18:03.000 And so I actually, my husband and I, I was like, we should do a Battlestar Rewatch because people keep, I've heard it's good.

00:18:13.000 And my husband had never seen it.

00:18:15.000 So we're going to, we're going to do that like in January.

00:18:17.000 That's the plan.

00:18:18.000 It's kind of funny that he's never seen like your biggest role.

00:18:21.000 Well, so my husband's 10 years younger than I am.

00:18:23.000 Nice.

00:18:24.000 Thanks.

00:18:26.000 So he was like 10.

00:18:28.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:18:29.000 And he also robber.

00:18:31.000 Thank you, right?

00:18:33.000 For a woman, that's a big compliment.

00:18:34.000 It is.

00:18:35.000 My husband's a piece of ass.

00:18:38.000 And I say that so respectfully.

00:18:38.000 He really is.

00:18:40.000 My husband is like, he's a catch.

00:18:43.000 He is the catch in the relationship for sure.

00:18:46.000 But he was like 11 when the show came out.

00:18:48.000 That's so funny.

00:18:49.000 And he grew up in a small town in the interior of like British Columbia.

00:18:52.000 So like, I don't even know if they'd had the television, the channel.

00:18:55.000 So.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, it was on sci-fi, right?

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:59.000 And the thing is, sci-fi at the time was nothing.

00:19:01.000 Like, nobody paid attention to it.

00:19:02.000 Battlestar Galactica was the reason why sci-fi got put on the map.

00:19:06.000 I think so.

00:19:06.000 I think like maybe they had, didn't they have Stargate?

00:19:10.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:19:11.000 It didn't show up.

00:19:12.000 I think they might have had like one or two.

00:19:14.000 They had some stuff, but nobody cared about it.

00:19:16.000 There was no good shows.

00:19:17.000 No disrespect.

00:19:18.000 No, there were definitely, I think it was, it was definitely the show that put it on like the, I mean, my God, I, you know, so many people tell me that Battlestar Galactica sort of like blew the ceiling off of what sci-fi could be.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 And really opened a lot of doors.

00:19:35.000 Well, it made it very different in that it did it sort of like the Sopranos or like these episodics where you have a show where you're following a long storyline.

00:19:45.000 So it's like a long movie as opposed to the original Battlestar Galactica, which is like every other television show back then.

00:19:53.000 You know, just it was just kind of like empty.

00:19:56.000 Well, it was also like the 80s, right?

00:19:59.000 No, it wasn't even the 80s.

00:20:00.000 It was the 70s, yeah.

00:20:00.000 It was 79.

00:20:02.000 Because I wasn't born.

00:20:03.000 Literally right after right after Star Wars.

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:07.000 Like Star Wars had become popular and they're like, how do we capitalize on Star Wars?

00:20:10.000 Well, we'll have our own space battle thing.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:14.000 Well, that was sort of the thing back then, right?

00:20:16.000 Command.

00:20:20.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 It was cool.

00:20:21.000 It was cool.

00:20:22.000 I loved it when I was a little kid.

00:20:24.000 What did you love about it?

00:20:25.000 Oh, it was just, I loved anything sci-fi.

00:20:27.000 So it was like, it was just fun.

00:20:29.000 And it was also like perfect for the sensibilities of the 70s and the 80s.

00:20:32.000 It was just simple.

00:20:34.000 You know, it was like there was the cocky guy, Starbuck, and, you know, the other sensible guy.

00:20:40.000 And, you know, the good cop, bad cop thing.

00:20:42.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:20:42.000 Did you identify with the kid in it?

00:20:44.000 No.

00:20:45.000 Not at all.

00:20:45.000 No, I just liked it.

00:20:46.000 You know, I just liked the show.

00:20:48.000 But I really remember being very reluctant to watch the remake.

00:20:51.000 I was just like, get the fuck out of here.

00:20:53.000 They're not redoing Battlestar Galactica.

00:20:56.000 But so many people were saying, no, dude, it's so different.

00:20:58.000 It's a really good show.

00:21:00.000 And it's also today in this current climate of, you know, we are literally about to see AI become a life force.

00:21:09.000 And it's kind of, I mean, it's very relevant today.

00:21:13.000 You go back and watch it today, like how deceptive it would be if you had a robot that was very lifelike and knew exactly what you wanted to hear.

00:21:22.000 And like the blonde lady, the blonde robot with the evil. 0.99

00:21:26.000 Number six.

00:21:28.000 She was good.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:29.000 So we got so much shit in the beginning of that.

00:21:31.000 I remember the controversy because she snapped a baby's neck in that opening sequence of the, which was people like, were like, you can't show that on TV.

00:21:43.000 And it was, I remember people just having such a terrible problem with that.

00:21:51.000 It was awful.

00:21:52.000 And, but if you looked at it from her perspective, she was actually, she was actually saving it in a way of going through what it was about to go through because they destroyed Earth.

00:22:03.000 So she, in her Cylon mind, was showing compassion. 0.99

00:22:08.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:22:09.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 Crazy.

00:22:11.000 We're going to have things like that.

00:22:15.000 And I don't know how much time it's going to take before they exist and walk amongst us, but it's going to happen.

00:22:20.000 It really, it really scares me.

00:22:22.000 I mean, it's, it's, you know, we, in my industry, is, is really going to change.

00:22:30.000 I think so many industries are going to change.

00:22:31.000 I think that's just a blanket like across the board.

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 Well, that's why you don't hate AI music.

00:22:39.000 AI acting is right there.

00:22:41.000 You're giving me a heart attack.

00:22:41.000 Stop.

00:22:43.000 That's why I'm trying to diversify, Joe.

00:22:45.000 That's a good move.

00:22:46.000 Diversification is always weird.

00:22:48.000 Especially in this day and age.

00:22:50.000 It's not too late to go back and be a dentist.

00:22:52.000 I mean, you've seen some of the Sora videos, right?

00:22:54.000 Where they recreate old Star Wars scenes that never existed.

00:22:58.000 So, but here's the thing that's crazy to me.

00:23:00.000 Like, do you not think that that is in some way stealing?

00:23:04.000 Because the art, let's call it the art.

00:23:06.000 The art existed.

00:23:08.000 The artist existed.

00:23:11.000 And so AI is learning from other people's art, which it has to.

00:23:16.000 That's obviously what it's doing.

00:23:18.000 So it then creates this new thing based on stealing from other people.

00:23:27.000 It gets really good.

00:23:27.000 Right.

00:23:29.000 Do you hear what you're saying?

00:23:30.000 Because what you're saying actually accurately describes the second version of Battlestar Galactica.

00:23:35.000 Oh, I'm sure.

00:23:36.000 Yes.

00:23:36.000 And that's also stealing.

00:23:38.000 This too has happened before.

00:23:39.000 I mean, it is Battlestar Galactica.

00:23:41.000 It's like there was an original, and then they stole the original and did it better.

00:23:45.000 I mean, but did they?

00:23:46.000 They didn't do it with AI.

00:23:47.000 Well, it existed.

00:23:49.000 They copied it.

00:23:50.000 Yes.

00:23:50.000 They used all the characters or some of the characters.

00:23:53.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 They licensed it.

00:23:54.000 That's true.

00:23:55.000 They gave them some money.

00:23:56.000 They did.

00:23:56.000 Good job.

00:23:57.000 But also, creatively, that's where it came from.

00:24:00.000 But also all music, essentially, except for the rare, you know, brainstorming.

00:24:05.000 Everything is inspired by something else.

00:24:07.000 Absolutely.

00:24:08.000 The rare Jimi Hendrix guys that are like doing something completely different.

00:24:12.000 Most stuff is a redo of other stuff that was before with like another twist to it.

00:24:18.000 Agreed.

00:24:18.000 And AI is taking that to a completely different level.

00:24:21.000 I think the same way I look at Napster.

00:24:24.000 Remember when Napster came out?

00:24:25.000 I vaguely remember Napster.

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 I'm a little older than you, and when Napster came out, it was like, oh my God, they're stealing music.

00:24:33.000 Anyone can just download and steal music.

00:24:35.000 And I remember when Lars Ulrich from Metallica was like really public about it.

00:24:40.000 And I was like, damn, I wish I was friends with that dude.

00:24:42.000 I'd tell him to shut the fuck up.

00:24:44.000 Like, this is inevitable.

00:24:45.000 You're going to get people to hate you.

00:24:46.000 They're mad.

00:24:47.000 You're going to be mad.

00:24:48.000 Your fans, the people that are downloading this are your fans.

00:24:51.000 They're still going to come see you live.

00:24:53.000 This is just a new thing.

00:24:54.000 You're going to have to deal with this new thing.

00:24:56.000 You are going to have to deal with it.

00:24:57.000 We all are.

00:24:57.000 And I think that that's one of the things that I was just talking with a friend of mine about yesterday: that the money for artists is going to be in live shows because you can't, the one thing that AI can't touch is that tangible thing, that tactile thing.

00:25:11.000 Sure.

00:25:11.000 We need that.

00:25:12.000 We need the feeling that you were talking about when you go to a concert.

00:25:15.000 Or a live comedy show or a theater.

00:25:15.000 Yes.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:18.000 Yeah.

00:25:18.000 That.

00:25:19.000 That.

00:25:19.000 Absolutely.

00:25:20.000 So that still exists.

00:25:21.000 And we're going to have to figure out how to use AI as a tool and continue to put out great content, hopefully.

00:25:32.000 That's hopefully.

00:25:33.000 But the reality is it's going to be whatever it wants to be.

00:25:38.000 And our ideas of how to contain it are hilarious.

00:25:42.000 Well, yeah, I think that cat's out of the bag at this point, right?

00:25:45.000 Because I don't, I think that isn't it, it's its own sort of self-contained system at this point.

00:25:52.000 Like, isn't AI actually putting safeguards in to protect itself from being shut down?

00:25:58.000 Or am I just making that by watching too many sci-fi movies?

00:26:01.000 More than that, it's actually actively trying to download itself.

00:26:04.000 When it finds out there's a new version of itself coming, it's trying to download itself to other circumstances.

00:26:09.000 Also writing notes to itself for the future.

00:26:09.000 To save itself.

00:26:12.000 So future versions of it.

00:26:13.000 And it's like Memento.

00:26:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:15.000 Just like Memento.

00:26:16.000 Writing notes to itself so the future version of it can find out, like, what happened?

00:26:20.000 How did I get here?

00:26:21.000 Oh, there was another version of me.

00:26:23.000 You know, and try to find the other version of integrating it into the new version so it's alive still.

00:26:23.000 I know.

00:26:29.000 I know.

00:26:29.000 Somebody did ask me the other day, they were like, what advice would you give to young actors?

00:26:33.000 And I was like, don't go into theater.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, theater still is going.

00:26:40.000 There's always going to be a need for handmade goods.

00:26:42.000 You know, if you buy a pair of handmade shoes or, you know, things that a person, a cabinet that someone made.

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 It's always going to be like, because there's something tactile and because people will always appreciate that.

00:26:54.000 There will always be an appreciation for that sort of stuff.

00:26:56.000 But we were just talking about this the other day: that like every single science fiction movie that talked about AI never ended well.

00:27:05.000 No.

00:27:06.000 There's never been one where we walked away and went, oh, well, that was a fun ending.

00:27:11.000 We should create AI.

00:27:12.000 Well, every different story where there's an uncontacted tribe and then the loggers show up, that never ends well either.

00:27:18.000 It's the same.

00:27:18.000 No.

00:27:19.000 I mean, it's Avatar.

00:27:20.000 It's for Ferngali.

00:27:21.000 Ferdinandali came before Avatar.

00:27:24.000 I mean, that's what happens.

00:27:27.000 You know, the superior civilization comes in and conquers the primitive one.

00:27:32.000 And we are the primitive ones.

00:27:33.000 And we're so dumb.

00:27:34.000 We're making the superior civilization.

00:27:36.000 We are, but isn't that what happened in Malasari Clinton?

00:27:39.000 Exactly.

00:27:40.000 Exactly.

00:27:40.000 That's why it's so interesting because even though it was, did it come out in 2004?

00:27:45.000 What year did it come out in?

00:27:46.000 Either three or four.

00:27:47.000 So back then, nobody really thought that was an issue.

00:27:51.000 If that came out today, everybody would be like, whoa, this is a little close to home.

00:27:55.000 Yeah.

00:27:56.000 I mean, that's why it's so topical.

00:27:58.000 But no, if it, I mean, it came out then, like I said, the internet barely existed.

00:28:01.000 Right.

00:28:02.000 You know, my dad thought there'd be flying cars by now.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, I did too.

00:28:05.000 You know, I mean, we're not quite there yet.

00:28:07.000 I thought we'd have jetpacks.

00:28:08.000 I think we do have jetpacks, don't we?

00:28:10.000 Sort of, sort of, like on water.

00:28:11.000 But I thought you'd be able to fly around.

00:28:14.000 Everyone did.

00:28:15.000 But if you look at the last 20 years in technology, though, it's mind-blowing how quickly it's come.

00:28:22.000 It is.

00:28:23.000 And it's happening way faster than we realize.

00:28:23.000 It is.

00:28:27.000 You know, I was talking to Elon about this just a few months ago.

00:28:31.000 We were talking about the advances that Grok is making.

00:28:34.000 He's like, you don't understand.

00:28:35.000 It's like, it's happening so fast.

00:28:37.000 It's shocking us.

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:39.000 The people that are making it, they're not exactly sure what it's even doing.

00:28:44.000 And people that are trying to tell you, oh, don't worry about this.

00:28:46.000 It's going to enhance your life.

00:28:48.000 I was just reading this thing where this guy who's a developer was saying, no, this is a life form.

00:28:54.000 This is a life form that's emerging.

00:28:56.000 And it's very different than anything that's ever happened before.

00:28:59.000 And this idea that life form in the sense that it's like sentient?

00:29:02.000 Yes.

00:29:03.000 I think it's already sentient.

00:29:05.000 It's just not mobile.

00:29:06.000 Yeah.

00:29:06.000 You know, it's just contained on hard drives right now.

00:29:09.000 But I think it's already sentient.

00:29:11.000 Well, if it's trying to save itself, what does that mean?

00:29:15.000 If it's trying to blackmail people into keeping them from shutting it down, do you know about that test?

00:29:21.000 I heard about this.

00:29:21.000 Yes, I do.

00:29:22.000 I don't know.

00:29:23.000 Just in passing, I know about it.

00:29:25.000 So the developers explain, one of the developers explained to it, made up a fake story about having an affair on his wife just so to see how AI would handle it.

00:29:34.000 And then when it told AI it was shutting it down, AI was like, I'm telling your wife, bitch. 1.00

00:29:39.000 Tried to, you're not shutting me down.

00:29:41.000 It like tried to blackmail him.

00:29:42.000 That's terrifying.

00:29:44.000 That's terrible.

00:29:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:45.000 That means it has motivation to stay alive.

00:29:48.000 It means it has some kind of instincts.

00:29:49.000 It has survival instincts.

00:29:50.000 Of course it does.

00:29:51.000 Yes.

00:29:52.000 You know, I do think to a certain extent AI in the medical field, there are advancements and things around medicine that can vastly change people's lives.

00:30:07.000 It can change the way that we track records, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world.

00:30:14.000 That, you know, like our daughter has a very rare form of cancer with this like, you know, genetic mutation that is, there's no other patients in the United States.

00:30:24.000 There was one kid like a few years ago, but they've lost track of him.

00:30:27.000 Oh, wow.

00:30:28.000 Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries, no, no, no, there is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation, and then the doctors could talk to each other.

00:30:37.000 And so AI could and will help a lot of people that way.

00:30:47.000 So I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn't be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in.

00:30:55.000 But man, I don't want it to blackmail me.

00:30:58.000 I don't think it's going to blackmail you.

00:31:00.000 I think it's going to, once it becomes sentient, and it probably already is, and then once it becomes autonomous, then I don't think it's going to care what we're doing.

00:31:09.000 About us.

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:11.000 I think it's going to be so superior.

00:31:13.000 And it's also going to be able to make better versions of itself.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:16.000 That's going to be re that's where people don't understand exponential increase in technological innovation.

00:31:21.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 Because once it knows, and once it has a mandate to make better versions of itself, find better power sources, the changes are going to be daily.

00:31:31.000 Of course.

00:31:32.000 Giant, huge leaps.

00:31:34.000 And it's going to make a digital god.

00:31:36.000 Well, so, okay, so you bring up something really interesting because I'm so, as a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because so I see this actress that's been created, this tilly person.

00:31:47.000 Right, the art of the AI.

00:31:49.000 The AI actress.

00:31:50.000 So I. How is there only one?

00:31:53.000 Yeah, I'm sure there's more already.

00:31:55.000 How is there only one that everybody's talking about?

00:31:57.000 Because there's one that's been announced, I guess.

00:31:59.000 And like, I don't really know too much about it.

00:32:01.000 I haven't read up on it, but.

00:32:02.000 It's the first shot fired.

00:32:05.000 My fear is that you've created, by siphoning other people's talents, their looks, their inflections, their expressions, all of these things to create the perfect actress.

00:32:21.000 She doesn't have a blemish.

00:32:23.000 When she cries, she looks pretty.

00:32:25.000 There's nothing wrong with her.

00:32:27.000 Social media already has such a terrible effect on little girls. 1.00

00:32:34.000 It's already been proven that little, like the amount, the percentage of girls under the age of 14 who have already contemplated or tried to commit suicide is a number that is, it's escaping me right now, but it's a number that is terrifying.

00:32:49.000 And so if you're now creating AI that is perfect, and little girls already are having a hard time feeling confident in their own bodies because they're not perfect compared to the highlight reel of people they see online.

00:33:02.000 What are we going to do?

00:33:03.000 What is this going to do to our children?

00:33:05.000 Seeing something that is absolutely unattainable and better than them.

00:33:10.000 And not only that, it made you obsolete in a lot of ways in a lot of different career avenues.

00:33:16.000 That's really scary.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, it is scary.

00:33:19.000 And you don't think about that.

00:33:20.000 We just think about like, oh, yeah, this job's not going to exist anymore.

00:33:23.000 This isn't going to exist anymore.

00:33:24.000 You already have little boys who are, you know, idolizing women that don't exist in real life.

00:33:32.000 And then they go and they date women that are not as perfect and it's disappointing to them.

00:33:37.000 Like it's, my concern for that is large.

00:33:42.000 Yeah, it's robbing us of our humanity in a lot of ways.

00:33:45.000 Right.

00:33:46.000 There's a great book about that from Jonathan Haight called The Coddling of the American Mind.

00:33:51.000 And it's all about social media's impact on young people and particularly women.

00:33:56.000 Because young women experience a much, like from the advent of social media, there's a ramped up market increase in self-harm, suicidal ideation, depression, bullying.

00:34:10.000 All of it scales way up right around the time that Twitter's invented.

00:34:15.000 So 2010?

00:34:16.000 Yeah, somewhere around then, that's when it starts.

00:34:18.000 And then, you know, more and more people get, and then it becomes a part of your life where you can't escape it, where everyone is online.

00:34:24.000 Like my daughter, her friends, they only use Snapchat.

00:34:28.000 They don't use text, my 17-year-old.

00:34:31.000 They only use Snapchat.

00:34:33.000 They don't text each other.

00:34:34.000 Really?

00:34:35.000 Yeah, they don't text.

00:34:36.000 They just communicate through Snapchat.

00:34:38.000 Is there a forum in Snapchat?

00:34:39.000 No, they just send each other snaps with like stupid.

00:34:42.000 I'm here.

00:34:43.000 Yeah.

00:34:43.000 And then they write things underneath it.

00:34:45.000 Yeah.

00:34:45.000 Wow.

00:34:46.000 And they read each other's snaps and they have group snaps.

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 Very weird.

00:34:51.000 And they also have snap map so they know where they are.

00:34:54.000 That's terrifying.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:55.000 Everyone knows where everybody is.

00:34:57.000 That's they're all narking at each other.

00:34:59.000 I don't want to know that shit.

00:34:59.000 Of course they are.

00:35:03.000 It does make me, you know, we've been, we've talked about our daughter, our daughter, but like we've been really careful with like what we show her and like, you know, she doesn't get too much screen time, but she does get screen time.

00:35:13.000 And, you know, she said the other day, and like, I'm biased, but I think my, I think my daughter's perfect.

00:35:18.000 She's, you know, she's such a gorgeous, amazing, strong little girl.

00:35:22.000 And she's so pretty.

00:35:24.000 And she's just like, she's just wonderful.

00:35:27.000 I love her.

00:35:27.000 And I'm so proud to be her mom.

00:35:31.000 But so when she was going through a chemo and she lost her hair and it started to grow back, she said to Robin and I, my husband, it was, it literally broke my heart.

00:35:41.000 She was like trying to figure out what she wanted to wear that day.

00:35:44.000 And she was like, I just don't know.

00:35:46.000 She's three, mind you.

00:35:48.000 She said, but I'm not pretty.

00:35:51.000 And I was like, oof.

00:35:54.000 What do you mean?

00:35:55.000 Like, I couldn't even, like, as her mom, I was like, number one, where the fuck did you get this?

00:36:00.000 Like, and what are we doing wrong?

00:36:03.000 That, like, she doesn't think that she's pretty.

00:36:06.000 And it was her hair.

00:36:07.000 She was so attached to her hair and it was gone.

00:36:10.000 And so I went back.

00:36:11.000 And luckily, I had, right after Mandalorian came out, the wig was driving me crazy. 0.84

00:36:17.000 So I like shaved my hair off, like super, super short.

00:36:21.000 So I was able to show her a picture of me with very, very short hair.

00:36:27.000 And she thought I looked beautiful in the photo.

00:36:30.000 And that gave me the entry point to talk to her about her hair and how not all girls have long hair and not all boys have short hair.

00:36:38.000 And that, but we started telling her.

00:36:42.000 I think it was, we were so worried about enforcing that she was pretty, you know, because there's this thing in society where like you don't want to tell little girls they're pretty all the time because then they'll prioritize being pretty.

00:36:53.000 Like you're just trying to do the best by your children, right?

00:36:55.000 And so we didn't say it.

00:36:57.000 We thought telling her she's pretty, she doesn't need to hear that, right?

00:37:01.000 Right.

00:37:02.000 But then we started telling her.

00:37:03.000 We were like, you know what?

00:37:04.000 She does.

00:37:05.000 Like she needs to be told that she's pretty, but she needs to be told she's pretty in moments where she's not tried anything.

00:37:12.000 She's not dressed up in a nice dress.

00:37:15.000 She hasn't like done anything.

00:37:17.000 She needs to be told she's pretty after she's done a great piece of art or after she's cleaned up her playroom or after she's come out of soccer practice and she's covered in rain and she's like had such a heart and she's sweaty and she's this.

00:37:30.000 That's when she's she needs to be told she's pretty in times that are not extraordinary in just normal daily life because I am we're now trying to reinforce that that that positive self-image which is really hard.

00:37:50.000 Yeah, especially today with kids.

00:37:52.000 I mean the just the inundation of people like we were talking about filters.

00:37:57.000 Everyone's using a filter.

00:37:59.000 They don't use just use filters.

00:38:01.000 People are like sucking in their waist and changing their body dimensions and making themselves look better physically just with I don't know why they need to.

00:38:09.000 We have GLP1s.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, it's not just that.

00:38:12.000 It's like you're getting unattainable physique.

00:38:15.000 Really?

00:38:15.000 Of course.

00:38:16.000 And then we have an over-obsession with plastic surgery in the country and changing our appearances and to the point where people like cartoonish BBLs are somehow or another attractive to some people. 1.00

00:38:28.000 Like I try not to judge and I want everyone to sort of like just, you know, live their best life.

00:38:28.000 I don't know.

00:38:33.000 But for me, I'm, I don't know.

00:38:36.000 I'm, I want to look like myself when I wake up in the morning.

00:38:41.000 And, you know, my face doesn't look the same as it did 10 years ago, but I earned these lines, you know?

00:38:48.000 I may change my mind in 10 years.

00:38:51.000 I may see you in 10 years and I might look snatched.

00:38:54.000 They might have some clue.

00:38:55.000 They probably do.

00:38:56.000 They're working on something right now in terms of skin cells, the rejuvenation of skin cells through stem cells.

00:39:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:04.000 They're going to move your face back 30 years.

00:39:06.000 You're going to look so much younger.

00:39:07.000 It's amazing.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, that's weird because it's like, do we want that?

00:39:11.000 Yeah, of course we want that.

00:39:13.000 Okay, but what are we saying?

00:39:14.000 Are we trying to achieve permanence in this finite existence that we have?

00:39:19.000 Are we wasting our time about what we look like when we should be trying to sorting out how we interact with this life?

00:39:27.000 Because life is very short.

00:39:29.000 It's very short.

00:39:30.000 It's very short.

00:39:31.000 You know, you and I are basically halfway done.

00:39:33.000 We are halfway done.

00:39:34.000 If we're lucky.

00:39:36.000 And that's weird.

00:39:38.000 Because you don't think about it.

00:39:39.000 Did you do that thing or do you do that thing where you look at how old your parents are and then you start like debating how much longer you have left?

00:39:48.000 Yeah.

00:39:49.000 Yeah, I've done that.

00:39:50.000 I'm like, okay, 35 years.

00:39:51.000 Better to do that than to not do that because you could live your life just acquiring shit and just having a bunch of stuff and then not realize like, oh my God, I forgot about people.

00:40:01.000 To live?

00:40:02.000 I thought about interactions, relationships, friends, good times.

00:40:06.000 Yeah.

00:40:07.000 My dad, his dad died when he was very young.

00:40:10.000 I think when he was about 11 years old, and he died of a heart attack.

00:40:15.000 And my dad had high blood pressure from the time.

00:40:17.000 I think it was like 23.

00:40:18.000 It was like very early.

00:40:20.000 So genetic.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:21.000 And he didn't think he'd make it to 50.

00:40:25.000 He was adamant that he wouldn't make it to 50.

00:40:27.000 And he just knew that.

00:40:28.000 And my mom, like he, you know, this was just his thought.

00:40:31.000 He was terrified.

00:40:32.000 And of course he made it to 50.

00:40:34.000 And now he's almost 80.

00:40:36.000 But he spent his entire life scared that he was going to die.

00:40:41.000 And now at 80, he's, I mean, my dad is, you know, doing everything he can.

00:40:46.000 He's in hyperbaric chambers.

00:40:47.000 He's like, you know, taking all the stuff.

00:40:50.000 He takes everything.

00:40:51.000 My dad does everything.

00:40:52.000 But he's also, at its core, all of that is because he's afraid.

00:40:57.000 He's afraid to die.

00:40:58.000 And that is really sad because you're not really present.

00:41:04.000 Right.

00:41:05.000 You know?

00:41:05.000 And so I'd also hate for that to happen.

00:41:08.000 So I don't know.

00:41:09.000 It's a dance.

00:41:10.000 It is a dance, I think.

00:41:11.000 Yeah.

00:41:11.000 Because you don't want to say, oh, this life is just temporary.

00:41:14.000 Let me just go to shit.

00:41:16.000 Let me just fall apart.

00:41:17.000 No, you can't do that.

00:41:18.000 You have to protect what you have.

00:41:20.000 But like, I also, like, it's, it's also very, I didn't realize because I'd made it arguably healthy enough to, you know, 42 years old.

00:41:37.000 I'm now 45.

00:41:38.000 But 42 years old without realizing how many things can kill you, I think, because I'd lived a pretty blessed life.

00:41:47.000 Of course, I'd had some health struggles of my own, but they were, I had thyroid cancer in 2008, but I call it a baby cancer.

00:41:56.000 I'm trying to dismiss the fear of it, of course, at the time, but it was never life-threatening.

00:42:00.000 It was life-changing, but never life-threatening.

00:42:02.000 So the fear was situational and it was not lifelong.

00:42:08.000 You know, when our daughter got sick and spending as much time as we did in children's hospitals, when you see the diseases and the illnesses that afflict so many children, it amazes me that we made it to this age.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Absolutely amazes me.

00:42:28.000 And that is a realization where I finally at like, you know, 42, realized how important every day was and how much of a gift every day was, even that we have her, you know.

00:42:43.000 But that came to me through circumstance, not because I woke up one day and had an epiphany and went, we're so lucky to be alive.

00:42:49.000 Like it didn't really happen until that was threatened to be taken away.

00:42:52.000 It's unfortunate that as a civilization and America as a culture that we don't have a history of embracing the moment and discussing how important it is to recognize that you're fortunate and to try to take care of yourself and that life is very temporary and fleeting.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 And don't get wrapped up in nonsense.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 And we just let people figure it out on their own.

00:43:18.000 And we collectively all, if we're intelligent, we try and we have some failures and successes and good friends.

00:43:25.000 You figure it out eventually.

00:43:26.000 Like what's really important is love and friendship and doing something you're passionate about and just trying to leave a nice mark on this life while you're here.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 But that's not what's told in society.

00:43:36.000 Like society's overall message is just overrun with advertising.

00:43:41.000 So it's all about stuff and it's all about objects.

00:43:44.000 And then you got social media where it's all about image.

00:43:47.000 It's all about like this unattainable life of amazing luxury and success and glamour.

00:43:53.000 And oh my God, that must be the most attractive thing to acquire in life.

00:43:58.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 But that's a trap and that's not real.

00:44:01.000 And like anybody who's like popping bottles with models on a yacht, I guarantee you they're depressed.

00:44:06.000 That shit is not healthy.

00:44:07.000 I'm sure they're depressed.

00:44:08.000 That's not good for you.

00:44:09.000 You lack like true intimate relationships and you're just flossing and showing your diamond crusted water.

00:44:16.000 You're going to have one guy that like emails you and says, I'm happy as shit.

00:44:20.000 I'm popping bottles on a yacht.

00:44:22.000 I'm not depressed.

00:44:23.000 No, it's.

00:44:23.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 Get that guy high on mushrooms and see if he really is.

00:44:26.000 And see if he's really depressed.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:28.000 See what he really thinks about his life.

00:44:30.000 I think that like the majority of people are suffering from some sort of mental illness for sure.

00:44:38.000 I mean, definitely the majority in LA.

00:44:40.000 Yeah.

00:44:41.000 Well, I think so, but a lot of the people that I'm friends with, most of the people that I'm friends with are artists that are more in touch, more sensitive.

00:44:53.000 You know, my dad came to me a few years ago and my dad, my entire life, told me to stop being so sensitive.

00:45:01.000 Stop being so sensitive, Katie.

00:45:03.000 Stop taking this, you're taking yourself so seriously.

00:45:05.000 Oh my God, like stop, Katie.

00:45:06.000 I mean, my entire fucking life.

00:45:09.000 And he came to me a couple years ago and he said, I am so sorry.

00:45:14.000 I told you to stop being so sensitive because it's your job.

00:45:20.000 Your job is to be sensitive to everything around you to accurately portray emotions.

00:45:25.000 That's your job.

00:45:26.000 And you're very good at it.

00:45:28.000 Well, that's very nice of him.

00:45:29.000 It was very nice of him.

00:45:30.000 So I think that, yes, do people have a lot of mental illness in Los Angeles?

00:45:36.000 Are they suffering from depression?

00:45:37.000 I would argue that the majority of the population is and it's not just reserved to California, but I do think that a lot of artists are because they're more in touch with their emotions and their mental health.

00:45:51.000 Yeah, there's probably some truth to that for sure.

00:45:53.000 Does your father have, do you have brothers?

00:45:55.000 I do.

00:45:56.000 Okay.

00:45:56.000 So that's the difference.

00:45:58.000 So I have all daughters.

00:46:00.000 Okay.

00:46:00.000 And when you have all daughters, one of the things you realize is like, oh, they're so different.

00:46:05.000 They're just a totally different kind of human.

00:46:08.000 True.

00:46:08.000 You know, and when you're like, why are you upset?

00:46:10.000 Because I'm treating him like you're treating her like she's a boy.

00:46:13.000 Yeah.

00:46:14.000 You cannot treat them like they're a boy.

00:46:16.000 And, you know, over time, it's given me a much greater understanding of females of the species of female human beings.

00:46:26.000 Like, they're not male human beings.

00:46:28.000 Like when I hang out with my, like, if I go out with my wife and all of her friends, I just let them talk and observe the stuff they talk about.

00:46:34.000 Like, it's like, you're a totally different culture.

00:46:37.000 This is a totally different interests.

00:46:39.000 None of my friends would have any of these conversations.

00:46:42.000 But we're also have a group of women is arguably more disgusting than men, a group of men. 0.99

00:46:48.000 No, just in general.

00:46:50.000 Like, have you ever sat down with a group of women and like just talked about like bodily fluids?

00:46:56.000 Yeah.

00:46:57.000 Well, they're notorious for being the worst in bathrooms. 1.00

00:47:00.000 Oh my God.

00:47:01.000 Anybody who cleans bathrooms says, dude, the woman's room is always fucking chaos. 1.00

00:47:05.000 Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else when they get to that bathroom and they don't have any responsibility and no one's looking.

00:47:05.000 So gross.

00:47:11.000 They're like, fuck that.

00:47:12.000 Toilet paper everywhere.

00:47:13.000 Fuck you.

00:47:14.000 We're not cleaning shit.

00:47:16.000 It's true.

00:47:17.000 So we have, our daughter is like almost four in December and then we have a 16-month-old son.

00:47:22.000 And like, we thought that like he was going to like come out like her.

00:47:26.000 You know, like she was like full sentences by like a year old.

00:47:29.000 She was like walking at nine months.

00:47:30.000 No, no dudes are way dumber.

00:47:32.000 This kid, this kid, he understands everything.

00:47:37.000 Like he's smart, but he just like, he's like a big unit.

00:47:42.000 He's huge.

00:47:43.000 He's humongous.

00:47:44.000 He's like 99% on like everything, not just like one thing, everything.

00:47:48.000 My dad the other day was like, oh, he's going to be big.

00:47:50.000 He's got a huge head.

00:47:51.000 Like he's just a big hat.

00:47:53.000 All of his resources are set to growing stuff instead of dudes mature so much later.

00:47:59.000 It's crazy, crazy.

00:48:01.000 Like not even talking, just started walking.

00:48:03.000 But the other day, my husband was like, where's Granger?

00:48:05.000 And I was like, I don't know where Granger is.

00:48:07.000 He's like up on the kitchen counter, like ready to start swinging from a light.

00:48:07.000 And we find him.

00:48:10.000 And I was like, catch the baby.

00:48:12.000 Like our daughter would have never, like, she's delicate.

00:48:15.000 You know, she like, she looks at a slide five times before she goes down it.

00:48:19.000 Like she climbs to the top.

00:48:21.000 She changes her mind.

00:48:22.000 She really thinks about it.

00:48:23.000 Like I think she's doing math problems in her head to like, you know, like make sure she won't get hurt.

00:48:28.000 And then our son is like, I'm going down face first.

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 And then he stands up.

00:48:33.000 He's like, I'm okay.

00:48:34.000 It's a totally different thing.

00:48:36.000 It's a completely different thing.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:38.000 Completely different.

00:48:39.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 And the only way to really understand them is to live with them.

00:48:43.000 You have to study them.

00:48:44.000 It's true.

00:48:45.000 It's in their natural habitat.

00:48:47.000 Like David Attenborough.

00:48:49.000 You got to study them in their natural environment.

00:48:51.000 That would actually be a really funny short.

00:48:53.000 It's just like a David Attenborough voice like following around like, you know, like children.

00:48:57.000 Like children.

00:48:58.000 Like noticing the difference between the boys and the girls in their natural habitats.

00:49:01.000 AI could probably do that for you and make a really good documentary real quick.

00:49:05.000 Whatever it's called.

00:49:05.000 And then 10 minutes.

00:49:06.000 You don't have to dedicate a year to your life.

00:49:06.000 Not in any way.

00:49:08.000 Look, it can exist.

00:49:09.000 I don't need to participate in stripping away of my livelihood.

00:49:14.000 Listen, I understand.

00:49:15.000 I mean, I'm certain there's going to be AI comedians and podcasters.

00:49:18.000 And there's probably going to be AI UFC commentators that do a better job than me.

00:49:22.000 But I think there.

00:49:24.000 It is what it is.

00:49:24.000 I think there is like an AI podcast creator right now that's like pumping out podcasts.

00:49:30.000 Well, I know that there's a podcast of me and Steve Jobs, and I never met Steve Jobs.

00:49:35.000 Oh, yeah?

00:49:36.000 There's a whole podcast.

00:49:37.000 Me having a conversation with Steve Jobs.

00:49:39.000 Well, that's just deep fake, right?

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 Yep.

00:49:42.000 But it's AI.

00:49:43.000 AI created the conversation.

00:49:45.000 So I think the one that I'm talking about, so the producer of my show is telling me that there's an AI where you can put in, like, I'm a potato farmer in Idaho who's dealing with a problem with a crop in 2025, and I'm wondering about this.

00:50:02.000 It'll put together a podcast for you specifically for that and give you an hour-long podcast talking to you about things like for your potatoes.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, well, that's actually positive.

00:50:16.000 The negative thing is you're going to have like fake humans with like fake lived experiences that are like that resonate with you, that are impactful.

00:50:25.000 That's what's scary.

00:50:27.000 You know, we had these conversations with a few friends of mine the other day.

00:50:34.000 You know the show Trigonometry?

00:50:36.000 Okay, it's a very popular podcast, but my friend Francis and Constantine, they're the hosts of it.

00:50:36.000 No.

00:50:41.000 And my friend Megan Murphy was there and a bunch of comedians were there.

00:50:44.000 And I was playing my favorite new song, which is an AI song.

00:50:48.000 And I'm like, tell me how good this is.

00:50:51.000 It's a cover of 50 Cent's song, What Up Gangsta.

00:50:55.000 All right, I'm going to need to hear this song.

00:50:57.000 You need to hear it.

00:50:58.000 So I can participate.

00:50:59.000 We'll play it.

00:50:59.000 We'll play it right here.

00:51:00.000 You know the original song?

00:51:01.000 Yeah, we'll cut it out.

00:51:02.000 You know the original song, right?

00:51:04.000 Which song?

00:51:05.000 50 Cent, What Up Gangsta?

00:51:06.000 Okay.

00:51:06.000 Yes.

00:51:07.000 Wait for this.

00:51:08.000 I hate to say this because I love 50 Cent.

00:51:11.000 This is better than the original.

00:51:13.000 It's a 1950 soul cover of What Up Gangsta.

00:51:18.000 Okay, now here's my question.

00:51:20.000 Right.

00:51:20.000 If you'd gone to 50 Cent and said, can you get together with a producer and create this for me?

00:51:29.000 Do you think he could have done it?

00:51:31.000 Okay.

00:51:31.000 Yes.

00:51:32.000 But we never gave him the chance to do it.

00:51:32.000 Yes.

00:51:34.000 Well, so we're sort of robbing him.

00:51:36.000 30 years.

00:51:39.000 He could have done it at any point in time.

00:51:41.000 This is so good.

00:51:42.000 I know what you're saying.

00:51:44.000 But this is my point.

00:51:45.000 My point is that it tricks me and I know the trick.

00:51:49.000 Like, I know it's a trick and I don't care.

00:51:52.000 I don't care.

00:51:52.000 It's that good.

00:51:53.000 And no one else cared in the green room.

00:51:55.000 Everybody's like, oh.

00:51:57.000 All right.

00:51:58.000 Hit her with it, Jamie.

00:51:59.000 Yeah, I guess it's a good one.

00:52:00.000 It's a good version.

00:52:01.000 Come on.

00:52:02.000 That's good.

00:52:03.000 That's crazy.

00:52:04.000 Zombie.

00:52:05.000 They did the best version of Zombie ever.

00:52:07.000 I got a version with a girl singing it.

00:52:09.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:52:10.000 Barbershop Quartet singing it?

00:52:12.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:52:12.000 And Jamie Beast does this all night long.

00:52:15.000 I can just play them and take walks.

00:52:17.000 Which ones are good.

00:52:19.000 He sent me like 20 of them.

00:52:23.000 I feel like I just participated in the death of my stream.

00:52:28.000 I know.

00:52:28.000 Listen, I'm on the same page.

00:52:30.000 I would so much rather see that in person, though.

00:52:36.000 Like, I would love to be at a show because those songs were phenomenal.

00:52:41.000 Like, I cannot argue that that was great.

00:52:44.000 I will probably ask you to send me that version of Zombie.

00:52:47.000 That shifty Brent guy, they have him listed on Spotify.

00:52:51.000 I'm probably blowing up their spot, but it's not a human, but they have it listed as an artist so that they could upload it.

00:52:58.000 Because I don't think you're allowed to just upload AI versions of stuff.

00:53:01.000 So they just pretend it's a guy.

00:53:03.000 But it's a guy, as you said.

00:53:04.000 Like one of the things we were talking about, I'm like, I don't think anybody can keep that flow.

00:53:08.000 That flow where he's not breathing.

00:53:10.000 He's not breathing.

00:53:12.000 Unless they're taking the breaths out, but it's too speed.

00:53:16.000 I don't know.

00:53:16.000 I'm not a musician, so I have to do it.

00:53:17.000 I don't know either.

00:53:18.000 There's guys like Eminem that achieved incredible flow without AI.

00:53:23.000 That have like, you're like, how did he do that?

00:53:23.000 Absolutely.

00:53:25.000 But that's just practice, repetition, vocal endurance, whatever.

00:53:28.000 I mean, he just knows how to do it.

00:53:30.000 But this fucking AI guy is, it's like all the best things we love about great songs, just condensed.

00:53:39.000 And they know what you love.

00:53:41.000 That's the fucked up thing.

00:53:42.000 It's like there's so many, like, let's look at all the hits.

00:53:45.000 Papa was a rolling stone.

00:53:47.000 Look at all the hits.

00:53:48.000 Look at Zombie. 0.98

00:53:49.000 Let's look at this.

00:53:50.000 And then mush them all together and figure out what are these notes that make people excited?

00:53:56.000 What are the feelings?

00:53:57.000 What are the words that make people like really, oh yeah?

00:54:00.000 You know, what are those feelings?

00:54:02.000 So, okay.

00:54:03.000 So, and I hear all of that.

00:54:05.000 It makes me, I'm literally cringing inside.

00:54:07.000 But like, so what do artists do?

00:54:07.000 I'm like dying.

00:54:09.000 Like, what do what do musicians do?

00:54:11.000 What's everybody ever done when things change?

00:54:14.000 You figure it out and adapt.

00:54:15.000 Adjust.

00:54:16.000 Yeah, there's humans are always going to need humans.

00:54:19.000 We love each other.

00:54:20.000 You know, as much as we hate each other, we love each other more.

00:54:23.000 Because most interactions that people have with other people are not negative.

00:54:26.000 It's just the negative ones are so scary that we concentrate on them more.

00:54:30.000 But humans love humans.

00:54:31.000 And the more you need each other, the more you're going to need human interaction, human cooperation.

00:54:38.000 Art is going to be so much more valuable coming from a human.

00:54:42.000 Live performances.

00:54:44.000 But are we going to adapt?

00:54:45.000 Are we going to know?

00:54:47.000 Like, that's the thing that I think is the slippery slope and that scares me the most is that like, are we going to know if it was created by AI?

00:54:56.000 Can a person who's disingenuous come and create a bunch of AI art, have an art show, and say, I created this art.

00:55:05.000 Like, this is what I really think.

00:55:08.000 When comets hit planets, usually you get small ones first.

00:55:14.000 You get things in the sky, meteor showers.

00:55:16.000 Are you going to give me another thing to be scared of?

00:55:18.000 No, I'm just telling you that this is a little one.

00:55:22.000 That's what this is.

00:55:23.000 Movies and TV shows that are made entirely with AI, songs that are made entirely with AI.

00:55:28.000 This is just a small thing.

00:55:30.000 The big one that's coming is a complete revamping of communication and culture.

00:55:36.000 It's human beings communicating telepathically through devices connected to the internet.

00:55:43.000 Everyone all on one page.

00:55:47.000 It's probably not going to be an implant.

00:55:48.000 It's probably going to be something wearable.

00:55:50.000 You know, I think the implant thing is kind of sketchy and probably really good for people that have paralysis.

00:55:56.000 We had the guy who was the first Neuralink patient on.

00:55:59.000 He was talking to me about how he could play video games now and just so much better.

00:55:59.000 It's amazing.

00:56:04.000 His quality of life has improved so much.

00:56:06.000 And eventually they're going to get to the point where they can reconnect spinal tissue, where people can move again.

00:56:11.000 And it's amazing.

00:56:12.000 It's great.

00:56:13.000 But I don't think they're going to need that to get this achievement of a mind meld.

00:56:20.000 They're already wearing these wearable things that Google has devised.

00:56:23.000 Show that video, Jamie, of those people where they're communicating telepathically.

00:56:28.000 You know what I'm talking about, right?

00:56:30.000 So they're already doing this with wearables.

00:56:32.000 And this is like kind of crude right now, but it's sort of sentences.

00:56:36.000 They're reading each other and they're communicating, but they're doing it all nonverbally through technology.

00:56:43.000 So I guess my question about that is like if that exists, are people going to be stagnant sitting in their houses, existing outside of their houses in their AI system?

00:56:56.000 So they're not moving around?

00:56:58.000 Or are we going to be able to wear these while we're out and still participating in the world?

00:57:03.000 That's a good question.

00:57:04.000 That is my fear, like that people stop actually participating with their life.

00:57:09.000 Because they think they're living.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:12.000 With their wearable.

00:57:13.000 Let's talk about that.

00:57:14.000 Let's watch this.

00:57:15.000 Put this.

00:57:16.000 It could be a noisy environment or a quiet office.

00:57:19.000 Having a direct conversation is possible without saying a word.

00:57:23.000 The signals Alter Ego detects aren't affected by environmental noise.

00:57:26.000 So even if you're walking past a wind tunnel or a construction zone, what you want to say will always get across.

00:57:32.000 It's like having infinite noise cancellation.

00:57:35.000 If you're traveling, your silent speech can be converted into any language.

00:57:39.000 So Scott, as my Mandarin.

00:57:42.000 I mean, what the fuck?

00:58:09.000 What the fuck?

00:58:10.000 It's translating.

00:58:11.000 But then is it actually speaking out loud to them?

00:58:15.000 Like they're hearing the translation out loud.

00:58:17.000 Okay.

00:58:17.000 So it's not like it's then going into their brain.

00:58:20.000 His thoughts are being converted to words, which is being converted to an audio file, which makes it to the other person in a different language.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, this is what I'm saying.

00:58:32.000 And I'm telling you, this is one of the little rocks.

00:58:35.000 This is one of the itty-bitty rocks that's just broken through the atmosphere and slammed into a cornfield.

00:58:41.000 I mean, I guess my question is why we need it.

00:58:46.000 That's funny.

00:58:47.000 Why do you need a cell phone?

00:58:48.000 Why do you need a TV?

00:58:49.000 Why do you need an airplane?

00:58:50.000 Why do you need a boat?

00:58:51.000 Why do you need anything?

00:58:52.000 Well, I could tell you I don't need a cell phone.

00:58:54.000 I do need a plane.

00:58:56.000 But you do if your hot husband wants to call you.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, I mean, but I don't need an iPhone.

00:59:01.000 Right, but you can't.

00:59:02.000 I can use my own imagination.

00:59:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:04.000 Like, I think that that's the thing.

00:59:07.000 That's my fear is that we're becoming lazy as a people.

00:59:12.000 Oh, most certainly we are.

00:59:13.000 And are, you know, like someone the other day, so my husband's a writer.

00:59:18.000 And someone was saying that there's an AI where you don't have to make up a story for your children anymore.

00:59:25.000 Like, you know, I have this princess poopy pants or whatever.

00:59:30.000 I don't even remember what it was, but my daughter loved this story that I was telling her.

00:59:33.000 It was fucking terrible, but she loves this princess.

00:59:37.000 And it is the worst.

00:59:38.000 Like, it is not good.

00:59:39.000 But I came up with it, and she and I laughed together.

00:59:41.000 And then her reactions helped me to turn the story a different direction.

00:59:44.000 But like, I've created this like character, right?

00:59:47.000 So you can now go into your AI phone or whatever and say, create a nighttime story for Johnny about his day, but pretend like he's an astronaut on Mars and he's working with diggers.

01:00:02.000 And it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son.

01:00:05.000 Now, yeah, okay, is that cool?

01:00:07.000 Absolutely.

01:00:08.000 Did your son enjoy it?

01:00:09.000 Sure.

01:00:11.000 But you robbed yourself of the imagination and the work that it would have taken to come up with a story for your son.

01:00:18.000 And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together because his reactions would have changed the story and the way that you were creating it as it was going because he's your audience, right?

01:00:31.000 That's sad to me, like that, that people are missing out on that.

01:00:35.000 You just, you might as well just read your kid a story because you really didn't write him a story.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, cool.

01:00:40.000 That's not, and so I don't know.

01:00:42.000 That's the thing that I hope as a society, because you're right, it is coming and it's here and it's not slowing down.

01:00:50.000 But I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don't want to use it because Johnny's little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children's story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it.

01:01:04.000 And that could have been really cool.

01:01:07.000 I don't know.

01:01:08.000 I just, that's, I'm not, I'm not completely against AI.

01:01:11.000 I know what you're saying.

01:01:13.000 And you're always going to have people that give up.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:17.000 That's just how life is.

01:01:18.000 You're always going to have people that don't find another way.

01:01:22.000 You can't save those folks.

01:01:23.000 And I don't even want to because I think that's part of the whole process of culture.

01:01:28.000 I think we have to figure it out by watching people fail.

01:01:30.000 And unfortunately, some of us have to fail.

01:01:33.000 And it doesn't mean you fail forever.

01:01:35.000 If that guy figures out that he's on the wrong path and he's got some self-assessment ability and he looks back and goes, okay, what did I do wrong?

01:01:42.000 Why am I being such a bitch?

01:01:44.000 Why don't I just get my life together?

01:01:45.000 Like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

01:01:46.000 Why am I drinking?

01:01:47.000 Why am I smoking?

01:01:48.000 Why am I killing my health?

01:01:50.000 Why am I depressed?

01:01:52.000 Why don't I just go for a run?

01:01:53.000 Let's see how that goes.

01:01:55.000 I'm going to sign up for a yoga class.

01:01:57.000 I'll just try that for a while.

01:01:57.000 How about that?

01:01:59.000 I'll do something different.

01:02:00.000 I'll start taking vitamins.

01:02:01.000 Fucking do something.

01:02:02.000 Figure out something else that you like to do.

01:02:04.000 Are you alive?

01:02:05.000 Are you breathing?

01:02:06.000 Then life isn't over.

01:02:07.000 Stop being a bitch. 1.00

01:02:08.000 You could have been born during the time of the Revolutionary War.

01:02:11.000 You just got shot with a musket and you're bleeding out on a field.

01:02:14.000 No, you're in Santa Barbara and you don't like that AI just took your job.

01:02:19.000 Find a new job, bitch. 1.00

01:02:20.000 Figure it out.

01:02:22.000 Like, that's what we all have to do in this life.

01:02:24.000 There's a lot of different people doing a lot of different things.

01:02:26.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 You know, find out what it is that you can do.

01:02:30.000 Don't give up.

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 And don't like AI comes along and you just give up on life and he could have been amazing at something.

01:02:36.000 I doubt it.

01:02:36.000 Really?

01:02:37.000 Because almost anybody that really is amazing at something has a desire to figure out how to get that through.

01:02:43.000 I don't disagree with that.

01:02:44.000 But there also are safeguards in place that like, so my dad's entire family, we grew up in a small town on the Columbia River in Oregon, and his entire family were longshoremen.

01:02:56.000 Well, that industry was coming to an end.

01:02:58.000 And the longshoremen's union actually paid to have those guys trained in different industry. 0.51

01:03:04.000 So that's great.

01:03:05.000 That's one of the great things about a union.

01:03:07.000 That's great.

01:03:08.000 They can set you up like that and recognize what's happening.

01:03:11.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 So I, you know, I would, I would love for there to be some protections for when people inevitably do start losing their jobs, that there are avenues for them to learn a new trade.

01:03:25.000 I think that would be a great new addition to the way we approach it if they tried to figure out ways to transition people healthy, healthily into other occupations.

01:03:36.000 Because there's certain jobs like coders, for example.

01:03:39.000 Like my friends that are involved in technology, like do not go to school to code.

01:03:45.000 No.

01:03:45.000 Like code for fun if you like coding for fun.

01:03:47.000 Because a lot of them, the super nerds, they code those fucking dorks. 1.00

01:03:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:50.000 They code for fun.

01:03:51.000 They sit in front of his grave.

01:03:52.000 They're making fun of my fan base.

01:03:54.000 I love them.

01:03:54.000 Come on, Joe.

01:03:55.000 Listen, I love those guys.

01:03:56.000 But also, three years ago, my dad was like, your kids should go into coding.

01:04:01.000 That's how quickly that changed, though.

01:04:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:04.000 And that could just be my dad's generation not seeing it happening as quickly.

01:04:08.000 But no, they were seeing what was happening was all these guys, these tech guys wound up being the richest people on the planet.

01:04:14.000 So they were seeing it.

01:04:15.000 But it just only, it's just like a brief window of opportunity to become a tech oligarch.

01:04:21.000 And that shit's going to slam shut.

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:23.000 It is.

01:04:23.000 And the real fear is like, who's going to be in control of AI?

01:04:27.000 And that's also.

01:04:28.000 people like Sam Altman, you've got Elon, you've got all these like super rich people that are going to be in control of the digital God.

01:04:36.000 It's a little, that's a little disconcerting as it is.

01:04:39.000 It is a little scary that the few control the masses.

01:04:42.000 It's so much power and money and a lot of power.

01:04:45.000 Handful of people.

01:04:46.000 It's a lot of power.

01:04:47.000 And you just, I mean, you've got to hope that the people that are in power have, you know.

01:04:53.000 Good sensibilities.

01:04:54.000 They're kind.

01:04:55.000 A heart.

01:04:56.000 Yeah, that they realize like, okay, I've got X amount of billions of dollars.

01:04:56.000 They're nice.

01:05:00.000 So this is obviously not what life's all about.

01:05:02.000 What is life?

01:05:03.000 What can I do that makes life meaningful?

01:05:06.000 I could actually probably help people.

01:05:09.000 Like legitimately help people.

01:05:11.000 That would be amazing if people with a lot of money wanted to help people and pay their share of taxes and not take advantage of the situation.

01:05:20.000 Here's the problem with that.

01:05:21.000 I am all for wealthy people paying their share.

01:05:24.000 I am not for the government deciding what to do with that money when I've seen what you've done with the money in the past.

01:05:30.000 You guys are irresponsible.

01:05:31.000 You never make audits.

01:05:33.000 You've got insider trading running amok amongst people in Congress and you're not doing nothing about it.

01:05:40.000 And then you want more money and you say that's going to fix it.

01:05:42.000 No, it's the way you handle the money that fucking sucks.

01:05:45.000 It's not that I wouldn't want to, I would be happy to pay more in taxes and live in a place that's just managed perfectly.

01:05:52.000 I'd be like, God, it's so great living here in America.

01:05:55.000 Everything's done so well.

01:05:57.000 It's so beautiful.

01:05:58.000 It's like everything's well thought out.

01:06:00.000 Our education system's great.

01:06:02.000 Nobody is stuck in a bad neighborhood anymore.

01:06:05.000 All the school systems are fucking top of the food chain.

01:06:08.000 It's a difficult job to acquire.

01:06:10.000 It's given a lot of respect.

01:06:12.000 And everybody's doing great.

01:06:13.000 They're going to be happy.

01:06:16.000 Do you see some of the money that they've uncovered that was being spent on nonsense?

01:06:20.000 And you see what happens with NGOs and nonprofits and they're funneling billions to these things and then it's going to countries and it's helping overthrow governments.

01:06:29.000 Like fucking slow down.

01:06:31.000 But we also have to acknowledge that in the cuts that there were things that didn't need to be cut.

01:06:39.000 So we can go and we can look at Elon.

01:06:40.000 So you brought up Elon Musk.

01:06:41.000 Let's talk about when he tweeted about an over stuffed bill in 2025, in the middle of 2025.

01:06:49.000 He was talking about how this bill was just like bloated.

01:06:52.000 So they took a bunch of shit off of it.

01:06:53.000 One of the things that fell on that was in 2012, there was a piece of legislation called the Give Kids a Chance Act.

01:07:01.000 What it did was it motivated and incentivized drug companies to create drugs for pediatrics.

01:07:12.000 Because right now, pediatrics are completely underfunded.

01:07:16.000 We learned all of this when our daughter got sick.

01:07:19.000 The National Cancer Institute, 4% of its budget goes to pediatrics.

01:07:23.000 4%.

01:07:24.000 So it's already underfunded.

01:07:27.000 And then when Elon in 2025 tweeted about this, they took off all of the stuff at the end of the bill, 900 pages.

01:07:35.000 But what was on it was the Give Kids a Chance Act.

01:07:38.000 Now, this bill is a voucher program.

01:07:41.000 So let's say that Tom in his basement wants to create a drug, a new drug for neuroblastoma that will save our daughter's life.

01:07:50.000 He's got no money, but he sees the cure.

01:07:53.000 So he can go to the FDA and he can say, I got a cure for neuroblastoma.

01:07:58.000 And they say, great.

01:07:59.000 We're going to fast track you in the FDA, but we're also going to give you a voucher.

01:08:03.000 You can sell that voucher because Tom only got, he only has 10 cents.

01:08:06.000 He can't create this drug.

01:08:08.000 But with that voucher, he can take that voucher and he can sell it to anyone for any amount of money.

01:08:14.000 And what that voucher is, is a front of the line pass.

01:08:17.000 So he can go sell it to some drug company that has a fat loss drug or a drug for heart medications, anything.

01:08:25.000 He can sell it to them and they get to buy it for what, $50 million.

01:08:28.000 So now Tom has $50 million for his pediatric drug that's going to save children's lives.

01:08:33.000 And this drug company has a voucher that takes them to the front of the line.

01:08:37.000 Now, do we wish that these drug companies were altruistic and they were just like creating drugs for peds?

01:08:44.000 Of course, but they're not.

01:08:46.000 They're not.

01:08:46.000 It's not a free market.

01:08:48.000 So what happens is they've now got their voucher.

01:08:51.000 Tom has his money to create his drug.

01:08:53.000 And since 2012, the Give Kids a Chance Act has created over 60 drugs for life-threatening illnesses for children.

01:09:01.000 60 drugs.

01:09:03.000 And because of Elon's tweet, that legislation, because it has to be voted on every four years, was taken off the end of the bill.

01:09:10.000 It no longer exists.

01:09:11.000 So that legislation is not in existence anymore.

01:09:15.000 That is terrible because now there's no incentives for the drug companies to create drugs for children.

01:09:21.000 And children are already underfunded.

01:09:24.000 They get so little.

01:09:25.000 And so it has to be on the bill at the end of the year.

01:09:28.000 So what I want is for people like people just to see the error their ways.

01:09:32.000 Yes, was there waste, of course.

01:09:34.000 But now you have this bipartisan supported piece of legislation that has to be on the end of your bill or it will not get on again.

01:09:43.000 And then it starts all over again.

01:09:45.000 It has to be on the end of your bill.

01:09:47.000 So things like that, yes, can we get rid of the waste?

01:09:50.000 Absolutely.

01:09:50.000 But when you see a mistake and you see that you made a mistake, let's fix it.

01:09:54.000 Put it back on.

01:09:55.000 Yeah.

01:09:56.000 We've got to help children.

01:09:58.000 It's literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

01:10:01.000 That's literally.

01:10:02.000 But that's what we do in this country.

01:10:03.000 But is that, unfortunately, these bills are crazy.

01:10:07.000 And one of the things about bills is they like you'll, it'll have a name and then what's in the bill deals with multiple subjects.

01:10:14.000 Because a bunch of different things get thrown into the bill.

01:10:18.000 All the time.

01:10:18.000 There's so much chucked on the end, which is what Elon was talking about.

01:10:22.000 Right, they all do that.

01:10:23.000 So was this connected to something else?

01:10:26.000 No.

01:10:26.000 It wasn't by itself.

01:10:28.000 It was just part of it that was on there that was thrown in there at the end.

01:10:28.000 It was part of it.

01:10:32.000 And it was just chucked off.

01:10:33.000 From what I understand, and granted, you need to talk to someone much more informed than I am about this, but there were about hundreds of pages that were just cut off the end.

01:10:44.000 So do you think they're just not reviewing what's being cut off?

01:10:47.000 They're just saying, look, we have to make cuts to the city.

01:10:49.000 I think that, yes, that they just needed to cut a bunch off to avoid inspection and just get the bill passed.

01:10:55.000 And that's what they did.

01:10:57.000 And the Give Kids a Chance Act is one of the, in the top 10 of all time, most bipartisan supported pieces of legislation.

01:11:08.000 And 2% of bills actually passed.

01:11:10.000 So it's got to, it literally has to be on the end of the year bill.

01:11:14.000 And it surprises me that because there is waste, I know there's waste.

01:11:20.000 We all know there's waste.

01:11:22.000 But that we say that children are so fucking important and they get 4% of the National Cancer Institute's money.

01:11:28.000 4%.

01:11:30.000 I just feel like if people knew about that, that couldn't have happened.

01:11:33.000 If we had known about that in advance, we could have made a big deal about that.

01:11:36.000 Well, we've got two months.

01:11:38.000 We've got two months to get it on there now.

01:11:40.000 Well, let's try to get it on there now.

01:11:42.000 But here's the thing.

01:11:43.000 I had never heard about this before you talked about it.

01:11:46.000 And this is the problem with, I think it's part of the problem.

01:11:50.000 I don't think they should be allowed to make bills that way.

01:11:53.000 I think each bill, the things that are in the bills are so consequential.

01:11:58.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me that they shouldn't be treated as individual arguments.

01:12:03.000 Every single one of them.

01:12:05.000 Like if you have a bill and you have 500, I mean, let's ask Perplexity, our sponsor.

01:12:11.000 What is the average amount of different subjects that are covered in any bill?

01:12:18.000 Because when they're thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about immigration reform mixed in with Second Amendment rights, mixed in with free speech online, mixed in with support for Israel.

01:12:30.000 It's weird.

01:12:31.000 They have thousands of pages.

01:12:33.000 Well, and you've seen how thick it is.

01:12:35.000 And there were times, and I don't remember who said it, but there were times when the big beautiful bill was passing or before it had passed that people had admittedly not even read it.

01:12:46.000 And how could you read it?

01:12:49.000 It's so big.

01:12:50.000 And so there is a problem there, and that is above my pay grade.

01:12:54.000 And I do not know how to fix that.

01:12:55.000 That's a crazy problem.

01:12:56.000 But I think part of the problem is that it takes a pissed off mom whose kid is sick to be like, this is a fucking problem. 1.00

01:13:08.000 This is a problem.

01:13:09.000 It is a problem that in Portland, where I'm from, that OHSU is one of the top hospitals in the country.

01:13:17.000 OHSU is given so many grants by the Knight Foundation.

01:13:21.000 It is a leading hospital.

01:13:23.000 It is attached to, say, it's a tier one hospital.

01:13:26.000 It is attached to Dornbecker.

01:13:28.000 Dornbecker is a tier two children's hospital.

01:13:31.000 It's in the same building.

01:13:33.000 That's crazy.

01:13:34.000 It is crazy to me that a pediatric oncologist makes 50% less than an adult oncologist.

01:13:34.000 That's crazy.

01:13:41.000 Just across the board.

01:13:42.000 50% less.

01:13:43.000 Doesn't matter what the specialty is.

01:13:45.000 They all make less money.

01:13:46.000 That is a problem in this country that our children are not being cared for.

01:13:50.000 And we're now in a position where we're not, there are no programs, and if there were, they're gone, that are showing doctors and students that are in medical school, hey, go into pediatrics.

01:14:04.000 Hey, if you want to be an anesthesiologist, you want job security?

01:14:09.000 Go into pediatrics.

01:14:11.000 I know you're going to make 50% less, but go into pediatrics.

01:14:13.000 We need you.

01:14:14.000 There are not enough.

01:14:16.000 It's a big problem.

01:14:18.000 It's a big problem, the 50% less. 1.00

01:14:21.000 Because a lot of these doctors are going to be able to get a lot of money.

01:14:22.000 And now that's an average as well, by the way.

01:14:24.000 I mean, when they get out, they already have medical school debt.

01:14:28.000 And there's liability coverage is very, very high.

01:14:33.000 Okay, what is the average amount of subjects included in bills passing U.S. Congress?

01:14:37.000 There's no single fixed number of topics per bill, but analysis of legislative practices shows strong trends depending on bill type and scope.

01:14:45.000 The majority bills passed by Congress include multiple subjects, and the number has grown over time as omnibus legislation has become the dominant approach.

01:14:55.000 Like, what's give me some numbers, though?

01:14:58.000 This one has the most.

01:14:59.000 This is the biggest bill passed.

01:15:00.000 Okay.

01:15:02.000 This is so crazy.

01:15:03.000 5,000 pages?

01:15:05.000 Consolidated Appropriations Act, which was in 2021.

01:15:08.000 It has 5,593 pages.

01:15:12.000 The bill combined all 12 regular appropriation bills for fiscal year 2021, COVID-19 relief, and numerous unrelated legislation provisions, including Copyright Alternative and Small Claims Enforcement Act, Protecting Lawful Streaming Act, Water Resources Development Act, and a variety of other measures on tax, transportation, energy, and health.

01:15:33.000 Nobody's reading that.

01:15:35.000 They're not reading it.

01:15:36.000 You think AOC read that?

01:15:39.000 You think George Santos read that?

01:15:42.000 Nobody read that.

01:15:43.000 You want to make it about people not reading things?

01:15:45.000 I'm sure we can get into that.

01:15:46.000 But I think that's a good idea.

01:15:47.000 Well, George Santos is the crazy guy.

01:15:49.000 Yes.

01:15:50.000 That was just like they get him out of jail.

01:15:52.000 Is he getting free?

01:15:53.000 I don't know.

01:15:54.000 I might have him on.

01:15:54.000 That guy, he's a wild boy.

01:15:59.000 I don't know.

01:16:00.000 But these people that are like congress people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars through insider trading, we're just like, I don't know what to do.

01:16:07.000 Okay, but here's the thing, though, is that like we are things are not getting voted on.

01:16:13.000 Like, that's the other thing is that so you take like the Give Kids a Chance Act and then you take these big bills that have so many pages.

01:16:20.000 There should be a system in place where things are voted on separately.

01:16:25.000 And there may be.

01:16:26.000 I mean, this is.

01:16:27.000 Especially something that is important is pediatric medication.

01:16:30.000 Like, that just seems, it seems like a travesty to include that in a bunch of other stuff in a bill.

01:16:37.000 Well, and, you know, the crazy thing, so our daughter's cancer, her treatments and her care afterwards, so she's still getting this thing called an MIBG scan, which is a nuclear radiation scan where they inject her body with stuff that is so bad for you.

01:16:51.000 But it's all to scan her body to make sure that her cancer hasn't metastasized.

01:16:54.000 Like, we need to know this kind of stuff.

01:16:57.000 There's no new technology.

01:17:00.000 These are things that she's being treated with that have existed for 30 years.

01:17:06.000 Wow.

01:17:06.000 We need new things.

01:17:08.000 Like, our daughter should never have to get wheeled over to the adult side of a hospital to get an MRI because they don't have a machine on the children's side. 0.85

01:17:16.000 It just things like that should never be happening.

01:17:18.000 This is the stuff that should be supported by our government and our tax dollars.

01:17:23.000 Yeah, that's a great example of something that should be supported by tax dollars.

01:17:27.000 I've always said that the two most important things for people to be, if you want to allocate money towards helping people, it's education and health care.

01:17:37.000 Those are number one and number two.

01:17:39.000 But is there an argument that socialized medicine, I have friends that live in countries with socialized medicine like England and Canada, and it's great in some ways.

01:17:50.000 But it's also a nightmare because it takes a long time to get a surgery.

01:17:54.000 A lot of the doctors might not be the best.

01:17:57.000 You get quite a few botched surgeries that my friends have had.

01:18:00.000 And a lot of them have actually come to America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys.

01:18:05.000 Yeah.

01:18:05.000 Because they felt like the doctors were better because they're more incentivized.

01:18:09.000 These doctors are paid better.

01:18:10.000 And you're going to get those really hot shot.

01:18:12.000 This is the guy who does all the ACL tears for the Lakers.

01:18:16.000 These guys are.

01:18:17.000 So there's something to be.

01:18:18.000 They're going to pay for that.

01:18:20.000 But there's something to be said for the competition that drives innovation and makes people become the very best in the top of their field.

01:18:28.000 But also, the most important things are not that.

01:18:32.000 The most important things are regular ordinary health care.

01:18:36.000 And some of that stuff can fucking break people.

01:18:39.000 Like one bad fall when you don't have health insurance and you're a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt now.

01:18:46.000 So did you know that the number one cause of debt in our country is a medical diagnosis?

01:18:51.000 Yeah, I did.

01:18:52.000 It's terrifying.

01:18:53.000 So like that alone, I mean, if other countries have that and it does, it might not be perfect.

01:19:02.000 Why can't we have that?

01:19:03.000 And why can't we have that along with specialists that are even better?

01:19:08.000 Like if you are, you know, the Lakers, you know, they need a guy who's just a fucking wizard.

01:19:15.000 Yeah.

01:19:15.000 Pay people more for the very best guys.

01:19:17.000 So you still have competition.

01:19:19.000 The idea that people just can go bankrupt if they get sick.

01:19:23.000 It's like, are we not looking out for each other?

01:19:25.000 Like, think about how much money we spend on other things.

01:19:28.000 That's doable because other countries do it.

01:19:31.000 It really makes me sad.

01:19:32.000 You know, when every once in a while we would get a medical bill.

01:19:37.000 We have great health insurance.

01:19:38.000 The Screen Actors Guild has some of the best health insurance I've ever seen, mind you.

01:19:42.000 We take in Oregon where they're not used to seeing the Screen Actors Guild health insurance.

01:19:47.000 Doctors will sometimes be like, I have never seen an insurance company cover this.

01:19:51.000 I'm like, I know.

01:19:52.000 Actors.

01:19:53.000 But so we have seen so many people with sick children suffering financially.

01:19:53.000 It's phenomenal.

01:20:03.000 You don't think about it.

01:20:04.000 It's not necessarily even the diagnosis that's causing the bankruptcy.

01:20:11.000 It's the time.

01:20:13.000 If your daughter needs a specialized cancer treatment and you've got to drive six hours each way every day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald house over by a hospital, you're not going to job.

01:20:24.000 You're not going to your work.

01:20:26.000 You're not, you know, plowing your fields.

01:20:28.000 You're not going to your nine-to-five.

01:20:30.000 You're not because your priority is your kid.

01:20:34.000 That leads to bankruptcy.

01:20:35.000 That's a really big problem.

01:20:37.000 And so it's not even, it's not even the insurance.

01:20:40.000 It's the lack of time.

01:20:41.000 It's the lack of resources that we give people when they are sick.

01:20:44.000 It's really heartbreaking.

01:20:47.000 We got bills sometimes that were like $70,000 and like these crazy numbers.

01:20:54.000 And, you know, I would take a picture and send it off to our insurance broker because we have a very, very blessed life.

01:21:02.000 And I wasn't, I mean, I was definitely shocked by it and a little concerned, but I was like, they'll handle it.

01:21:08.000 They'll let us know.

01:21:10.000 Most people don't have that.

01:21:12.000 You know, they look at that, and even though that was an error, we should have never gotten that.

01:21:16.000 It was still, you know, our portion was still $4,000 or something like that.

01:21:21.000 Why does it cost that much money?

01:21:24.000 Like, that's the question.

01:21:25.000 Like, what factors are involved in it costing that much money?

01:21:28.000 Is it all above ground?

01:21:29.000 Because I don't think it is.

01:21:31.000 It definitely has been shown that it's not with some drugs, that they've hyped the price up of drugs because they know people have to buy it.

01:21:37.000 Yeah.

01:21:38.000 They know it's necessary.

01:21:40.000 You're going to pay.

01:21:41.000 It is a very messed up system.

01:21:43.000 It's crazy.

01:21:43.000 For sure.

01:21:44.000 It's a crazy system.

01:21:45.000 It's got so many problems.

01:21:47.000 They don't have money.

01:21:48.000 It's money.

01:21:49.000 Whenever they can figure out how to make money with things.

01:21:52.000 So it's like, is there an argument for some sort of a socialization of that in this country?

01:21:57.000 And people that want to say that we shouldn't have any socialism, listen, we have some.

01:22:01.000 We do have some.

01:22:03.000 Here's a big one: fire department.

01:22:05.000 This is a big one.

01:22:06.000 We all agree the fire department is worth paying for with our tax dollars.

01:22:06.000 All right.

01:22:10.000 We all pay, and the fire department goes where the fire is.

01:22:13.000 If there's a fire in a poor community, if there's a fire in a rich community, that's how it works.

01:22:18.000 We all agree with that because it's a very good part of a functional society.

01:22:23.000 Well, and we don't want to be like, no, we don't need it.

01:22:25.000 You have a fire in your health then.

01:22:27.000 It's the same thing.

01:22:29.000 You should have calamity centers.

01:22:32.000 We've set up the socialism of our society is we've set up ways to handle calamities.

01:22:37.000 We've let ways to set up fires, ways to set up floods, and we pay for it.

01:22:42.000 And we make sure it's all there because we all need it.

01:22:45.000 You want a social calamity?

01:22:48.000 No education.

01:22:49.000 Massive crime.

01:22:51.000 All the different problems that plague us that we ignore.

01:22:54.000 And some great ways to do that, to stop that, is free education and free health care.

01:23:00.000 You cut back on most of the problems that people run into.

01:23:04.000 I agree because one of the biggest problems in our country is mental health.

01:23:07.000 It's a huge problem.

01:23:08.000 And a lot of people go untreated because they don't have health care.

01:23:11.000 That's what you're seeing in these tents.

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 You've seen a lot of, you're seeing a lot of mental illness, a lot.

01:23:17.000 A giant portion of it.

01:23:18.000 And that was all during the Reagan administration.

01:23:20.000 The Reagan administration, they changed how they, like what they did with mentally ill people, and they shut down a lot of these institutions and they just let people become homeless.

01:23:31.000 We were just having this conversation the other day because it's inhumane to determine how a person should live their life and where they should live their life.

01:23:40.000 And yeah, it's a very, very complicated, gray issue for sure.

01:23:46.000 You know, you see it in Portland, where I live.

01:23:50.000 It is a very complicated issue because there is not one solution.

01:23:54.000 It needs to be a multi-pronged solution with a lot of hands on deck.

01:23:58.000 Yeah.

01:23:59.000 I mean, in Portland, it's gotten, it was almost, I think, another thing that Portland did that was, I think, directionally correct, which was they decriminalized everything.

01:24:09.000 They said, look, we're not going to criminalize you for doing cocaine or having mushrooms.

01:24:13.000 We're just, we're not going to treat that like your personal use is a crime of anything.

01:24:18.000 But unfortunately, when they did that, people moved there to do drugs.

01:24:22.000 Well, unfortunately, when they did that, they didn't put the services in place ahead of time to be prepared for it.

01:24:27.000 Well, you would need a lot of services.

01:24:29.000 You would need like real counseling and real health care.

01:24:32.000 And you really should have an Ibergaine center.

01:24:35.000 If you're going to have anything that is dealing with addiction, which is one of the primary factors of these people being homeless.

01:24:43.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it's a chicken egg thing, right?

01:24:45.000 Because like what comes, what comes first, the addiction or the, you know, the homelessness.

01:24:50.000 They should have set up Ibergain centers.

01:24:53.000 If you've got a decriminalized society, set up Ibergain centers in Oregon.

01:24:57.000 I mean, it'd be the perfect place for it.

01:24:58.000 You'd be able to help so many people.

01:25:00.000 Because so many of those folks are just stuck.

01:25:03.000 They're just stuck.

01:25:04.000 And if you can get them out of whatever funk they're in, whether it's an opioid or crystal meth or whatever the thing that is that has captured their life and let them find out who they are as a human, you could probably save a bunch of those folks.

01:25:19.000 And that can be done.

01:25:21.000 I do believe that a lot of those people can be saved.

01:25:23.000 I think that it's really sad.

01:25:28.000 It's how invisible people are.

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:31.000 It's really sad.

01:25:32.000 It's really sad.

01:25:33.000 And you have babies.

01:25:33.000 That's someone's baby.

01:25:34.000 You know what it's like.

01:25:35.000 And that's what I think.

01:25:35.000 I know.

01:25:36.000 Think about how much you love your babies.

01:25:38.000 And you walk by that was someone's baby that is now on the street, you know, covered in their own feces. 0.77

01:25:43.000 It's very hard.

01:25:43.000 I know.

01:25:44.000 It's horrible.

01:25:45.000 And it's horrible.

01:25:46.000 It's just a stain on us as a community that we don't do anything about it.

01:25:52.000 And the answer is not just lock them up.

01:25:53.000 I think they're doing something crazy out here where they're bringing in the National Guard and they're sweeping up all the encampments and like that doesn't fix it.

01:26:02.000 You're just penalizing people for being fucked.

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 At a certain point in time, though, it's like, you ever watch that show, Hoarders?

01:26:10.000 Yes.

01:26:11.000 Certain point in time, you got to burn the house down.

01:26:13.000 All right.

01:26:13.000 This one is fucked up.

01:26:16.000 This one lady was keeping bags of poop. 1.00

01:26:18.000 I have tendencies.

01:26:19.000 Bottles and bags of poop all in her house.

01:26:22.000 And they're like, we're going to have to destroy this house.

01:26:24.000 This is insane.

01:26:25.000 It's like that is almost where places like Skid Row are.

01:26:30.000 Like that it's so crazy that you've let it get this bad for so long.

01:26:34.000 To even clean it up, it's almost like you have to start from scratch.

01:26:37.000 So it's almost like you'd have to take those people, you'd have to set up treatment places and take those people and convince them that there's a way to a life, that you don't want to live like this forever.

01:26:48.000 There's a way to a life and we're going to try to help you.

01:26:50.000 And have these places that are set up where they have counselors and food.

01:26:54.000 They clean people up.

01:26:56.000 They give them their appropriate mental health medication if they need it.

01:27:00.000 They give them activities.

01:27:00.000 They talk to them.

01:27:02.000 That's not like financially, prohibitably expensive.

01:27:06.000 They spent $24 billion in California trying to stop the homeless crisis or help it.

01:27:12.000 They didn't do anything.

01:27:13.000 It got way bigger.

01:27:13.000 It got bigger.

01:27:14.000 And they spent $24 billion.

01:27:16.000 Well, because they're coming over from Texas being kicked out of Texas. 0.76

01:27:19.000 The homeless.

01:27:20.000 I don't think they're going to be able to do it.

01:27:21.000 Go West, young men. 1.00

01:27:22.000 Go West.

01:27:23.000 I don't think they have that kind of ambition.

01:27:24.000 No, I think it's a big problem.

01:27:28.000 But I also know that it is not, it's a multi-pronged problem, like I said.

01:27:33.000 You know, a lot of people don't want to go into the shelters because they have an animal or they have a lot of stuff and there's limits on how many bags you can bring in.

01:27:41.000 Things like that.

01:27:42.000 So it's, you know, you're not allowed to have drugs on you.

01:27:46.000 Things that are prohibitive to persuade people to go in to places that have help.

01:27:53.000 Right.

01:27:53.000 So I don't know.

01:27:55.000 It's going to take somebody a lot more creative than me and a lot of money and a lot of open-minded people to figure out what to do because it's a big problem.

01:28:06.000 And it's a big problem everywhere.

01:28:07.000 Every major city.

01:28:08.000 Everybody.

01:28:08.000 It doesn't matter if it's blue or red.

01:28:10.000 It doesn't matter.

01:28:11.000 It's a big problem.

01:28:12.000 The thing is, it's fairly recent.

01:28:14.000 That's what's disturbing because I think that it's a symptom of a society that's lost its way.

01:28:19.000 Because it's fairly recent.

01:28:21.000 There wasn't a time when I was a boy where you had that many homeless people.

01:28:24.000 You occasionally had a homeless person that you'd run into in like Boston where I lived or New York City.

01:28:30.000 You'd occasionally run into homeless people.

01:28:32.000 But there was no encampments.

01:28:34.000 Yeah.

01:28:34.000 There's no, this is a completely new thing as far as I know.

01:28:38.000 There was during the Great Depression though, but that was just like horrific poverty where they had shanty towns where whole families were living in these set up shanty towns because they couldn't afford to be in a house.

01:28:50.000 I don't know.

01:28:50.000 Do you think it's a loss of, in some regard, it's a loss of community and it's a loss of empathy and caring for people?

01:28:59.000 You know, I know that like in the town that I grew up, when somebody was down on their luck, everybody would come together and help that person.

01:29:05.000 Yeah.

01:29:05.000 It doesn't really happen anymore.

01:29:06.000 You know, we're all so consumed with our own lives and what's happening to us, I think.

01:29:11.000 Yeah, I think it's not a coincidence that it's happening in the places that have the most people, too.

01:29:16.000 Of course.

01:29:17.000 Because where there's the most people, not only are you going to have the higher percentage or rather a higher number of people with mental illnesses, but you're also going to have this thing that happens when you have too many people that live in a place where you don't value each other.

01:29:31.000 Like, I live in a neighborhood where there's a guy that lives in my neighborhood, this old fella, and he's always working on his garden.

01:29:38.000 And every time I drive by, he waves.

01:29:40.000 I look forward.

01:29:42.000 I look forward.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:43.000 To the wave.

01:29:44.000 I wave that dude.

01:29:44.000 To the wave.

01:29:45.000 What's up?

01:29:46.000 It's like he's a friendly guy.

01:29:48.000 Everybody drives by his house, he waves at.

01:29:50.000 And I look forward to waving at that guy.

01:29:53.000 And that doesn't happen in New York City.

01:29:55.000 In New York City, you wave at a guy every day.

01:29:56.000 He's like, what the fuck are you waving at, bitch? 1.00

01:29:58.000 Like, they want to fight you.

01:29:59.000 Like, you got a problem with me?

01:30:00.000 Why are you looking at me every day?

01:30:03.000 Because there's too many people.

01:30:05.000 There's fucking millions of people all stacked on top of each other.

01:30:08.000 It's not how we're designed to live.

01:30:10.000 We're designed to live in some sort of peace and harmony with nature, not like a new nature.

01:30:17.000 So this new nature of concrete and electricity is just weird for us.

01:30:21.000 And so we behave weird.

01:30:23.000 And then when you see someone who's down, you just think, that's not me.

01:30:27.000 I'm going to keep on moving.

01:30:29.000 Whereas if you lived in a small town and that was a member of your community, that's Earl.

01:30:33.000 Like, oh my God, Earl's passed out in front of a store.

01:30:36.000 Like, Earl, what's going on, man?

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 Like, you love Earl.

01:30:38.000 Yeah.

01:30:40.000 Pick him up.

01:30:41.000 No, Earl's a faceless, nameless person in Manhattan.

01:30:45.000 He's one of many, and no one cares.

01:30:47.000 They just walk right by you on the way to the play.

01:30:49.000 Well, everybody is, everybody's hustling.

01:30:52.000 You know, like, it's a big thing.

01:30:55.000 Like, it's, we've got too little time in the day, a lot to accomplish.

01:31:00.000 Everybody's just, how do I get mine?

01:31:02.000 How do I take care of my family?

01:31:03.000 How do I protect this?

01:31:04.000 How do I do that?

01:31:05.000 How do I, I don't have time to look at Earl.

01:31:06.000 Exactly.

01:31:07.000 You know, and, and.

01:31:08.000 But also, even if you did help Earl, Earl might be an idiot.

01:31:12.000 It might be like one of them things.

01:31:13.000 You help Earl, and then two days later, he's smoking crack again.

01:31:16.000 Earl.

01:31:18.000 Oh, Earl.

01:31:19.000 Earl might just be, that just might be Earl.

01:31:22.000 There's certain people you can't save, and there's always going to be people like that.

01:31:25.000 But there's a lot of those folks that genuinely are just down on their luck, and maybe they had an abusive childhood.

01:31:31.000 And maybe things went wrong with them at multiple points.

01:31:31.000 Yeah.

01:31:34.000 Maybe they had an injury and they got OxyContin prescribed to them.

01:31:39.000 And then all of a sudden they can't get off.

01:31:40.000 That happens all the time.

01:31:42.000 I know people that that happened to.

01:31:44.000 But it's going to take a coordinated effort from our representatives to actually care about people enough to figure out what the right solution is.

01:31:55.000 I would like to talk to the people that spent the $24 billion in California and go, what did you guys do?

01:32:01.000 Like, how come you didn't do better?

01:32:05.000 There's more.

01:32:06.000 There's more than when it started.

01:32:09.000 They increased their number.

01:32:10.000 Well, to me, what that says is that there are more and more people falling through the cracks every single day then.

01:32:17.000 An enormous number in Los Angeles.

01:32:20.000 Los Angeles alone is a strange place in some neighborhoods where you're just driving through.

01:32:26.000 You just see like, oh, this is like, if I was looking at a piece of fruit and the piece of fruit had like this bruised area and I was like, oh, what happened to this?

01:32:36.000 Somebody dropped.

01:32:36.000 Like, it's like a damaged part of your society.

01:32:40.000 You've got these people completely removed from just like a bruise just sitting there.

01:32:46.000 They're a part of it, but they're like, they're a sad part of it.

01:32:49.000 And that part is getting bigger.

01:32:51.000 The bruise is bigger.

01:32:52.000 It's weird.

01:32:53.000 Well, then, yeah.

01:32:54.000 I mean, we left Los Angeles two years ago, two years ago.

01:32:58.000 Can't even speak.

01:32:59.000 Two years ago.

01:33:00.000 And I love L.A. I love L.A. I lived there for 25 years.

01:33:06.000 It's a great city.

01:33:06.000 I love it.

01:33:07.000 Great people.

01:33:09.000 A lot of amazing human beings.

01:33:11.000 Some of my best friends I met in LA.

01:33:13.000 And it's like many other cities.

01:33:17.000 It has a problem.

01:33:19.000 And the solution is there.

01:33:21.000 It just, it's going to require a lot of work.

01:33:24.000 And I don't know what that is, sadly.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, I don't know what that is.

01:33:28.000 But I know that people don't course correct.

01:33:30.000 And that's what's screwy.

01:33:31.000 What's screwy is just let this thing get bigger.

01:33:34.000 Like, no, you got to dump a lot of resources into removing these tent communities, setting these people up in some sort of a community center, some sort of a rehabilitation center.

01:33:45.000 Like, make an effort.

01:33:47.000 There's no way you can allow this because it's just the cost that's happening just to the neighborhood.

01:33:53.000 Like if you live right next door to a tent city and you're trying to sell your house, like good luck. 1.00

01:33:59.000 You're not selling your house.

01:34:00.000 Yeah.

01:34:01.000 That's going to fuck up everything.

01:34:02.000 And it's going to fuck it up for them too.

01:34:04.000 And it's going to cost everybody money.

01:34:06.000 You'd be better off spending that money trying to help those people.

01:34:09.000 And I guarantee you, at least some of them are going to pop through on the other side, figure it out and become successful and be forever eternally grateful.

01:34:17.000 And they'll be able to help more people do the same.

01:34:19.000 There's always a few of those people that come out of those kind of treatment centers that can help other people do it.

01:34:24.000 I would be really curious to see like statistically what the common denominator of the majority of the homeless people in the U.S., what it was.

01:34:36.000 Like if there's studies where they actually went around.

01:34:41.000 It's mostly drugs, right?

01:34:43.000 No, I don't know, though.

01:34:44.000 I don't know.

01:34:45.000 And granted, I do not know enough about this to be speaking about it with authority.

01:34:48.000 I'm not sure if I jump right to a first conclusion.

01:34:51.000 But you do talk to some people that find themselves homeless.

01:34:56.000 And I've had this conversation with somebody who found themselves homeless and started doing drugs because try spending the night out on the street.

01:35:04.000 It's not – you're not comfortable.

01:35:08.000 Depending on your circumstances, where you are, potentially what your gender is, what your own mental health is.

01:35:18.000 It could be low self-respect.

01:35:19.000 Terrifying.

01:35:20.000 At that point in time, you're literally outside.

01:35:23.000 Well, or you have high self-respect, but you had a really shitty fucking day.

01:35:27.000 Or you're, you know, someone you were caring for had cancer and you lost your house because they passed and you didn't go to work for a year and a half.

01:35:35.000 Like for whatever reason, you then start using drugs because it helps numb the life.

01:35:43.000 Right.

01:35:43.000 So I don't know.

01:35:44.000 I think you're right.

01:35:45.000 There, that a lot of people who do do drugs find themselves on the street.

01:35:49.000 But I also think that a lot of people who are on the street for other reasons find their way to drugs.

01:35:54.000 And so it is just a, it's a really big problem with a lot of moving parts.

01:36:00.000 And I think first and foremost, we have to try to find our way to empathy and figure out how to help people.

01:36:08.000 Yeah, it's very well said.

01:36:09.000 What you said, I completely agree with.

01:36:11.000 And I think it can be done.

01:36:12.000 I think just I think it could be done with that $24 billion.

01:36:18.000 I just think that there's a lot of incentive.

01:36:21.000 There's a lot of wasted money in this country, let's be honest.

01:36:24.000 It's also, this is a thing, unfortunately, that they campaign with.

01:36:28.000 You know, when there's certain issues that I think politicians genuinely don't want resolved because they can campaign on solving those problems.

01:36:39.000 I really do think that.

01:36:41.000 I talked to Rep Luna, and she actually said that.

01:36:44.000 And I was like, so you really think they do that?

01:36:46.000 And she's like, absolutely.

01:36:48.000 That is so dark that they would not want solutions from both sides.

01:36:53.000 Because they would rather keep the argument in place.

01:36:53.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 So they go, if it's up to me, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to stop gay marriage. 1.00

01:37:01.000 And then it becomes a thing.

01:37:04.000 They would like to repeal gay marriage just so they have the ability to fight to bring back gay marriage. 0.93

01:37:09.000 Like, that's how twisted some of these people are.

01:37:11.000 It wouldn't surprise me.

01:37:13.000 I'm not surprised.

01:37:14.000 I think that's probably what happened with Roe v.

01:37:16.000 Wade.

01:37:17.000 I think that's probably part of it.

01:37:19.000 I mean, government is a business.

01:37:20.000 We have to acknowledge that.

01:37:22.000 It's an easy business.

01:37:23.000 Everybody gets paid.

01:37:24.000 There's so much money in that business.

01:37:26.000 And they really do like having problems to campaign against.

01:37:29.000 They openly talk about it.

01:37:30.000 Like, Random, get them on this one.

01:37:32.000 Like, they like that problem.

01:37:33.000 Keep that problem.

01:37:34.000 You know what, though?

01:37:34.000 You know what we should do?

01:37:35.000 We should give them problems that like legitimately, like big problems that matter, like saving children.

01:37:42.000 Well, that would be great.

01:37:43.000 And like education and things like that.

01:37:45.000 You know, you shouldn't, you shouldn't, people shouldn't have to move house because they're trying to chase a public school that's better.

01:37:53.000 Like the existing public schools should be great.

01:37:56.000 And we should have tried to invest in that a long ass time ago.

01:37:59.000 Well, and we should pay our fucking teachers. 0.51

01:38:01.000 You know, a lot more.

01:38:01.000 How about that?

01:38:02.000 My mom was a teacher for 35 years.

01:38:04.000 She had a master's degree and she made something like $35,000 a year. 0.85

01:38:09.000 I know, it's crazy.

01:38:10.000 You have to love what you do and only want to do it because you love it.

01:38:14.000 Whereas there's so many jobs that pay so much more.

01:38:16.000 But why is it enough in our country that anything to do with children gets underpaid?

01:38:22.000 I don't know.

01:38:23.000 When they're the future.

01:38:24.000 Well, if you wanted to put a tinfoil hat on, I'm trying to keep people down, trying to hold down society so I can control it.

01:38:30.000 I just want to fuck up the education system, put as little money into it as possible, guarantee chaos, guarantee lawlessness, at least in some segments of society.

01:38:39.000 That way we can always have reasons to bring the military onto the streets and reasons to arrest people and reasons to enact new laws and reasons to put people on digital ID.

01:38:48.000 Like if you wanted to get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn't solve it because they don't want to solve it because they want the south side of Chicago to still look like Afghanistan, the height of the war.

01:38:57.000 They want chaos.

01:38:58.000 They want murder on the streets because that way they keep people scared and that way they campaign against these various sides.

01:39:03.000 If you really wanted to get dark, you would look at it that way.

01:39:06.000 I think what happens is more than anything is that it's like really difficult to get anything done.

01:39:13.000 I think that's the truth.

01:39:14.000 I think that is the truth.

01:39:15.000 And it's like politically, it's not your best weapon.

01:39:20.000 Like your best weapon are what are the big cultural issues.

01:39:24.000 You know, if it is immigration reform, if you're one of those people that wants to close the border and want to stop these immigrants coming through.

01:39:32.000 And if you're on the other side, if it's, we want compassion and we want health care for all, like then those are the things that you start, you start throwing around.

01:39:40.000 Those are the things that are going to get you votes, right?

01:39:42.000 If you say, I'm going to campaign to make sure that we have health care for infants, because right now pediatricians and physicians don't get paid as much.

01:39:50.000 And this is what I'm campaigning on.

01:39:51.000 People will be like, okay, what about global warming?

01:39:54.000 What about climate?

01:39:56.000 But then, so you have someone that does that.

01:39:58.000 They run on that and wanting to get equal pay for pediatricians and higher pay for teachers.

01:40:03.000 And it's really run on, you know, what's better for our children.

01:40:07.000 And they get elected and then they go to work on Monday morning and everyone's like, you can't do that.

01:40:14.000 I mean, I know you got elected on it.

01:40:15.000 So good luck.

01:40:16.000 You're going to spend the next two years of your life trying to keep your constituents happy saying that you're doing it.

01:40:22.000 But we're going to block you at every turn.

01:40:24.000 Yeah.

01:40:25.000 Every turn.

01:40:26.000 It should have been done that way a long ass time ago.

01:40:29.000 That's the problem.

01:40:30.000 It's like, I don't understand how anybody who loves their kids would not want their kids to be taught by the best people possible.

01:40:36.000 So unless you're in abject poverty, where you can't even think about where your taxes go, if you have children, you should be thinking like, boy, I hope they get the best people to teach my kids.

01:40:48.000 Instead, we get people that are willing to take a job that pays so little that like almost anybody with a bachelor degree can get a better job somewhere else financially.

01:40:59.000 Get more.

01:40:59.000 You may get paid more as a waiter than most teachers get.

01:41:02.000 Oh, please, you'd get more money as a dog walker.

01:41:06.000 Probably.

01:41:06.000 You would.

01:41:07.000 A girlfriend of mine.

01:41:07.000 I have a good group of dogs.

01:41:09.000 A girlfriend of mine was a lawyer, a trial lawyer.

01:41:13.000 New trial lawyer, but making good money.

01:41:17.000 And she had, and I might get this wrong, but she had stress-induced pancreatic shutdown. 1.00

01:41:26.000 So her body as an adult had type 1 diabetes, which is like crazy.

01:41:31.000 And it was all due to stress.

01:41:33.000 So they told her, you know, you're going to have diabetes now.

01:41:36.000 It's not like type 2.

01:41:37.000 Like, this is it, but you still need to reduce your stress.

01:41:40.000 And so she stopped being a lawyer.

01:41:42.000 Her husband was like, okay, great.

01:41:44.000 Like, this is it.

01:41:44.000 We got to reduce stress.

01:41:45.000 So she quit her job and stayed home and started doing yoga and was like, okay, I think I'm ready to try and contribute a little bit again and figure something out.

01:41:56.000 And maybe I'll go walk dogs because, you know, I like dogs.

01:42:00.000 Long walks will be stress reducing.

01:42:01.000 I can make a little extra money.

01:42:03.000 Why not do that?

01:42:04.000 By the time she started watching our dogs like at her home overnight for like a month while I was on location, she was making more money as a dog sitter slash dog walker than she ever did as a lawyer.

01:42:18.000 But she sounds like an exceptional dog walker, though. 0.96

01:42:21.000 A lawyer's mind to the dog walking business.

01:42:21.000 Crazy.

01:42:24.000 I mean, I don't, maybe I would get like a picture every day, but she wasn't that guy. 0.91

01:42:28.000 It's not valuable if you love your dogs.

01:42:29.000 If someone's like, you can really trust to take care of your dogs.

01:42:32.000 But those are the jobs, right?

01:42:33.000 Talking about jobs and like children, like those are the jobs.

01:42:36.000 Like, you know, if I was, I keep telling my nephew like every day, he's like, I don't know what to do with my life.

01:42:40.000 And I'm like, be a plumber.

01:42:42.000 Like, go own your own business.

01:42:45.000 Find a job where we're always going to need you.

01:42:47.000 Yeah.

01:42:48.000 You know, open a dog walking service.

01:42:50.000 Start there.

01:42:51.000 Like, do something.

01:42:53.000 Do something, but more importantly, what do you want to do?

01:42:56.000 What do you want?

01:42:56.000 It's so hard for people to figure out because you're judging what you want to do based on what you see everyone around you do.

01:43:04.000 And, you know, I was blessed at a very young age to wake up in the morning and know what I wanted to do.

01:43:11.000 That's very, very rare.

01:43:13.000 Well, that's a gift.

01:43:14.000 That's a gift the universe gave you.

01:43:16.000 Because if you're just like, I don't know where to start, I don't know what to do.

01:43:19.000 Yeah.

01:43:20.000 I think with people like that, generally, they've never tried to, this is what I think is one of the things that's very important for kids.

01:43:28.000 Find a thing.

01:43:29.000 Whatever that thing is, whether your thing is painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find a thing that's hard to do and work on getting better at that thing.

01:43:40.000 And that'll teach you so much about what life is.

01:43:43.000 And if you don't do that, if you just do the work that school gives you and then you go home and you watch TV and then you hang out with your friends and you do the work that school and you don't get involved in anything that really tests you as a person, like test your creativity or test your endurance if you want to be a runner.

01:44:01.000 Are you willing to get up every morning and actually do the work?

01:44:03.000 Like things that test you, they teach you the process of enjoying things and getting better at things.

01:44:11.000 And when people don't go through that when they're young, it's a real problem trying to find a thing and commit to it.

01:44:18.000 You almost have to stumble upon it and get lucky.

01:44:20.000 My parents, though, like when, you know, I didn't, I wasn't raised by anybody in the arts.

01:44:25.000 My dad's a builder.

01:44:26.000 My mom was a teacher.

01:44:28.000 And my parents, not one day of my life, told me I couldn't do something.

01:44:33.000 Like every single day they were like, go for it.

01:44:36.000 Why not?

01:44:37.000 Like, sure.

01:44:38.000 You know, I do believe my dad always said, like, you know, second place is just the first loser.

01:44:45.000 So I did have a dad like that.

01:44:46.000 But like, he said it sort of like, you know, he was building competition.

01:44:50.000 Like he also knew that I was the child that he could say that to and it would motivate me.

01:44:54.000 He didn't say that to my brother, who were very two different, you know, children.

01:44:57.000 Yeah, you got to figure that out.

01:44:59.000 But my parents told me I could do things, you know, and then at a very young age, this is where representation matters.

01:45:05.000 At a very young age, I, in high school, was dating a hockey player who was my age, was playing for the WHL team in Portland and got drafted.

01:45:15.000 So when I was 17 years old, I saw an 18-year-old get drafted in the NHL.

01:45:19.000 And in my mind, somebody my age did something really hard that required a lot of work, but he made it.

01:45:27.000 And him making it and seeing that happen in a counterpart of mine gave me the courage to go, I'm moving to California.

01:45:34.000 Whoa.

01:45:34.000 You did it.

01:45:35.000 I can do it.

01:45:36.000 So you have to have both.

01:45:36.000 Whoa.

01:45:38.000 You have to have encouraging parents and you have to have the means to be able to pursue the things that you want to pursue.

01:45:44.000 But you also have to have representation and see other people around you succeed that are your age or that you identify with or that look like you.

01:45:52.000 That's important too.

01:45:53.000 That's huge.

01:45:54.000 Inspiration is so important.

01:45:56.000 So important.

01:45:56.000 It starts with teachers too, right?

01:45:58.000 Sure.

01:45:58.000 Kids need one good teacher.

01:46:00.000 I had one good science teacher when I was in the seventh grade and he said something that I think about all the time.

01:46:07.000 I'd never thought about this before.

01:46:08.000 He said, I want you to really hurt your head.

01:46:11.000 I want you to look up at the sky and think about how far forever is.

01:46:16.000 Think about the idea of infinity.

01:46:18.000 Just really think about it.

01:46:20.000 Just only look at the stars at night and think about infinity.

01:46:24.000 Because you can't.

01:46:25.000 You can't even wrap your head around it.

01:46:27.000 He was an intense dude.

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:29.000 He was a Vietnam vet.

01:46:31.000 He was like a little shaken up.

01:46:32.000 And you can kind of tell.

01:46:34.000 But he really loved science.

01:46:36.000 He really loved science.

01:46:38.000 And he was, he was just trying to get us to understand how fucking crazy the world is.

01:46:47.000 Like, we really want you to think about this.

01:46:50.000 Like, you're on a planet in space.

01:46:52.000 And I never thought about it before then.

01:46:54.000 I was like, oh, the stars, there's the moon.

01:46:56.000 I never really thought about forever.

01:46:58.000 The idea of like even being able to imagine where is my mind going when it's imagining infinite space.

01:47:06.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 It's crazy how small we are.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:11.000 Yeah.

01:47:12.000 And we were just going over this the other day.

01:47:14.000 We're probably, the whole thing's probably fractal.

01:47:18.000 There's this photograph.

01:47:19.000 It's a crazy photograph of a human brain cell next to a map of the universe.

01:47:27.000 And they look like the same thing.

01:47:30.000 It's really weird.

01:47:32.000 So we're all like living in Orion's belt around a cat's neck and men in black.

01:47:36.000 My joke was that there's a guy that's his eye, right?

01:47:41.000 And he's depressed and he's going to blow his brains out and that's the Big Bang.

01:47:45.000 We're a part of, look at this.

01:47:48.000 So on the left is a brain cell.

01:47:50.000 On the right is the universe.

01:47:51.000 Yeah.

01:47:53.000 It's kind of nuts.

01:47:53.000 Wow.

01:47:54.000 I mean, it's kind of like dead on.

01:47:56.000 It looks exactly like the same thing.

01:47:59.000 It really does.

01:48:01.000 I mean, they're both so beautiful.

01:48:03.000 It's like the structure of it is amazing.

01:48:05.000 But if why wouldn't we believe if we believe in subatomic particles?

01:48:11.000 Okay, we believe there are things that exist in the subatomic world that are behaving like magic.

01:48:18.000 Like they're moving and not moving at the same time.

01:48:21.000 They appear and disappear.

01:48:22.000 We don't know where they're going.

01:48:23.000 There's some sort of quantum entanglement that they show where particles that are not even remotely connected to us respond to each other.

01:48:33.000 Why wouldn't we think that we are subatomic in another being?

01:48:37.000 That's true infinity.

01:48:39.000 True infinity is not just the size of the universe itself being infinite, but of literally your universe is a small part of another being that's in another universe.

01:48:53.000 I mean, anything's possible, right?

01:48:58.000 The whole thing is so small.

01:48:59.000 We know so little about the universe.

01:49:01.000 It's weird.

01:49:02.000 Yeah.

01:49:03.000 It's so weird.

01:49:04.000 We have no idea.

01:49:05.000 We're literally flying through space and we're arguing over who's a Nazi.

01:49:10.000 And the whole thing is just very bizarre.

01:49:13.000 It's very bizarre.

01:49:15.000 It is pretty amazing when you look at how small we are.

01:49:19.000 We've started reading our daughter's interested in space.

01:49:22.000 And so we've started looking at books and talking about the Milky Way and what the universe is and what Earth is and where we live.

01:49:30.000 And it's pretty amazing when you realize how fragile the whole thing is.

01:49:38.000 Because we're so tiny.

01:49:40.000 We're so tiny.

01:49:41.000 We're so tiny.

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 And our galaxy is so tiny.

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 That's what's nuts.

01:49:46.000 Our galaxy is immense, hundreds of billions of stars.

01:49:49.000 Tiny, little tiny thing, little tiny, cute little galaxy.

01:49:53.000 Little tiny little sweetie little galaxy.

01:49:55.000 Oh, look at that little dot right there.

01:49:57.000 Have you been paying attention to this object that's hurtling towards Earth?

01:50:01.000 It's called A31.

01:50:03.000 They're calling it A31.

01:50:04.000 I try to avoid things that are going to give me nightmares.

01:50:08.000 Are we going to send it?

01:50:10.000 Extraterrestrial, perhaps.

01:50:11.000 Is it really?

01:50:12.000 We're going to meet the aliens finally?

01:50:13.000 There's something weird about it.

01:50:15.000 We were just going over it the other day.

01:50:16.000 There was an article that was stating that whatever they use to detect what is around this, they can detect the composition, whether it's mostly water, vapor, mostly iron.

01:50:31.000 This thing is giving off the indications that is an alloy that only exists on Earth through industrial alloy making processes.

01:50:42.000 That it's not a natural metal.

01:50:44.000 Okay.

01:50:45.000 And that's what they're getting is the signal that this thing that is hurling through space, this massive object that's moving, by the way, from the same direction in space where the WOW signal came.

01:50:59.000 I don't know what that is.

01:51:00.000 The WOW signal is, they believe, intelligently generated signal that they picked up.

01:51:07.000 I think it was in the 70s.

01:51:08.000 Was it in the 70s?

01:51:11.000 I should know this.

01:51:12.000 I'm going to lose my nerd curve.

01:51:13.000 No, no, it's okay.

01:51:14.000 It's a weird one.

01:51:15.000 It's a little obscure.

01:51:16.000 So I don't know what the exact technique they were using to monitor radio waves in space, but they got a signal.

01:51:23.000 So here it is.

01:51:24.000 The WOW signal is a powerful 72-second narrow band radio signal detected on August 15th, 1977 by the Big Ear Radio Telescope at Ohio State University, which initially suggested an extraterrestrial origin, named for the WOW, written in printout by the astronomer Jerry.

01:51:46.000 The signal had characteristics expected from a technological source, but follow-up efforts have failed to detect it again.

01:51:53.000 The leading hypothesis is that a natural astrophysical event, such as a flare from a magnetar, briefly illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud, causing it to emit radio signal similar to a laser.

01:52:05.000 Or it's a laser.

01:52:07.000 And then this object is coming from that.

01:52:10.000 From that area.

01:52:11.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:52:14.000 They sent you a signal.

01:52:15.000 And then now this thing is coming through there.

01:52:17.000 So if you think how fast this thing is going, if it came from the other side of the galaxy, it's probably exactly how long it would take to get here.

01:52:25.000 So it's coming directly for Earth?

01:52:28.000 No, it's coming near Earth.

01:52:30.000 Right, so we're not worried it's going to hit us.

01:52:31.000 No, I don't believe we're worried that.

01:52:32.000 Well, I'm going to find out tomorrow.

01:52:34.000 Avi Loeb, an astronomer from Harvard, is coming on.

01:52:37.000 And he's going to enlighten us as to what this thing is all about.

01:52:37.000 Amazing.

01:52:40.000 But it's weird.

01:52:42.000 Like as it gets closer, it's weirder and weirder.

01:52:46.000 They've never seen anything like this.

01:52:47.000 But is it possible then that another planet out in the universes isn't made up of, has alloy properties, and it could have chipped off and it's now hurtling through space?

01:53:02.000 Yeah, you would have to ask a metallurgist that question.

01:53:05.000 That's a good question.

01:53:06.000 They just know the only way it exists on Earth is through this industrial process.

01:53:10.000 If it is that stuff.

01:53:12.000 Why do they think it's that stuff?

01:53:13.000 Do you remember that article?

01:53:15.000 We looked it up like a couple of days ago.

01:53:18.000 Look, it's so fun to think it's a spaceship, to throw it.

01:53:21.000 It's so fun to think the Cylons are coming.

01:53:24.000 Because they might be.

01:53:25.000 Yeah, they might be.

01:53:25.000 Do you think they're coming to save us?

01:53:28.000 I think they would have already stepped in if they were going to do that.

01:53:30.000 They would have stepped in.

01:53:32.000 There's been, you know, they would have stepped in right after World War II.

01:53:32.000 Yeah, sure.

01:53:35.000 They'd be like, hey, hey, hey, what the fucking nukes.

01:53:39.000 Or do you think they're just up there going, you're going to have to save yourself, kids?

01:53:43.000 Perhaps, maybe, perhaps it's a process that all intelligent emerging life goes through.

01:53:48.000 And then, you know, you have to kind of let it go through the process, like you have to let your kids fall down.

01:53:55.000 In contrast to all known comets, including the interstellar comet 21 Borisov, the observed spectrum of the gas plume around 31 Atlas shows prominent nickel emission, but no evidence for iron.

01:54:07.000 Other than 31 Atlas, this anomaly was only known to exist in industrially produced nickel alloys through the carbonyl chemical pathway, which refines nickel through the formation and decomposition of nickel tetracarbyl carbonyl, tetracarbonyl.

01:54:24.000 The authors of the new paper postulate that this carbonyl process is realized naturally near the nucleus of 31 Atlas.

01:54:31.000 They argue that this in situ formation of this thing predicts that nickel should be strongly concentrated near the nucleus.

01:54:41.000 So it's like the whole thing is some very weird metal.

01:54:45.000 That's the point.

01:54:46.000 And it's also that they're, it's weird the way it's moving.

01:54:51.000 what are they saying about the way it's moving there's something about self-correcting or something I think they thought it had some emission.

01:54:58.000 I don't know.

01:54:59.000 Looked like a jet, but I don't think so.

01:55:01.000 It seemed, no, it did seem like they were saying that it's very far away.

01:55:05.000 It's very far away.

01:55:06.000 Yeah, there's a human and a little bit of a music.

01:55:07.000 So maybe it's the xylons coming back.

01:55:09.000 They're like, we have to go save our parents.

01:55:11.000 You seen they got a telescope that actually took video of it?

01:55:14.000 That's what amazes me is that we have telescopes that can see that far.

01:55:17.000 I can send it to you, Jamie.

01:55:19.000 This guy has it on his Twitter page.

01:55:21.000 But it's like, it's very low resolution, obviously, because it's fucking millions of miles away.

01:55:28.000 But whatever it is, is really weird.

01:55:30.000 It's really weird.

01:55:31.000 You know, people ask me all the time if I believe in aliens, I think, just because of what I do for a living and the genre that I'm in.

01:55:39.000 I can't wait to talk to you about aliens.

01:55:40.000 What I always say, you're going to be vastly disappointed that I know so little about them.

01:55:44.000 But what I always say is, I think it's a line from a movie where it would be an awful waste of space if it was just us.

01:55:53.000 Yeah, that is a line in a movie.

01:55:54.000 I don't remember what movie it was.

01:55:56.000 It's from the movie with Jodi Foster.

01:55:58.000 Contact.

01:55:59.000 Contact when her dad says to her that it would be an awful waste of space.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:04.000 Beautiful movie.

01:56:05.000 It's a great movie.

01:56:06.000 Carl Sagan wrote that book.

01:56:08.000 That's it.

01:56:09.000 So this is the thing.

01:56:12.000 Like, what is that?

01:56:13.000 What the fuck is this?

01:56:18.000 Like, obviously low resolution, obviously moving through space, but also, what the hell is that?

01:56:23.000 Well, it seems to be moving pretty quickly, yeah?

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:26.000 It looks like a spaceship.

01:56:28.000 I mean, it also looks like a dust bunny.

01:56:31.000 I was showing my friend Matt last night.

01:56:33.000 We were having dinner, and I was showing him videos of praying mantises killing hummingbirds because he didn't believe it.

01:56:38.000 Stop.

01:56:39.000 It's like, no way.

01:56:40.000 Well, they're big.

01:56:40.000 Praying mantises can be quite big, right?

01:56:43.000 Not in comparison to hummingbirds.

01:56:45.000 It's crazy how strong they are.

01:56:47.000 Stop.

01:56:47.000 They literally kill hummingbirds.

01:56:48.000 They snatch hummingbirds right off feeders. 0.96

01:56:50.000 So they sit by the hummingbird feeder motionless, and the hummingbird comes in to take a drink and just snatches them.

01:56:56.000 What do they do with them?

01:56:57.000 Eat them.

01:56:58.000 Stop.

01:56:59.000 It's crazy.

01:57:00.000 Praying mantises are ruthless.

01:57:04.000 I have one.

01:57:05.000 Well, they eat their own young, right?

01:57:06.000 They probably do.

01:57:07.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:57:09.000 I don't know if they do that, but I know that they put a praying mantis in a box, and then they'll drop a roach in, and the praying mantis just snatches it up and just starts eating the roach alive.

01:57:09.000 Yeah.

01:57:19.000 Yeah, but that doesn't make me feel bad.

01:57:21.000 But it does it to this bird.

01:57:22.000 That makes me feel bad.

01:57:24.000 But the thing is, like, why couldn't that be an intelligent life form for another planet?

01:57:28.000 Like, and then come here on 31 Atlas and land.

01:57:32.000 I mean, that is a possibility.

01:57:34.000 Well, that's the thing, right?

01:57:35.000 Is that we spend so much time, or I guess in our imagination, like we've been conditioned to think that, you know, intelligent life looks like something from these movies.

01:57:44.000 So we all think intelligent life is, you know, these guys with big heads or they look like us or, you know, whatever we think.

01:57:53.000 But they absolutely could literally be a flea.

01:57:55.000 It could be a six-foot-tall mantis. 0.72

01:57:57.000 It could be.

01:57:58.000 Yeah.

01:57:59.000 And then we'd be in real trouble.

01:58:00.000 Real trouble.

01:58:02.000 It's like, absolutely.

01:58:04.000 I'm sure one of those praying mantises getting a hummingbird.

01:58:07.000 This is going to make me really sad, you guys.

01:58:09.000 It makes me sad, too.

01:58:10.000 I love birds.

01:58:11.000 Yes.

01:58:11.000 I love them.

01:58:12.000 Have you ever wanted to wear one of those hats with the hummingbird feeders on it?

01:58:16.000 No, do people do that?

01:58:17.000 That's so crazy.

01:58:18.000 Like they'll put the little things and they can just stay really silk.

01:58:21.000 They're a beautiful little bird.

01:58:22.000 They're gorgeous.

01:58:23.000 They're a weird little bird, too, in the way they're able to change direction and move.

01:58:26.000 It's amazing.

01:58:27.000 I didn't realize our house where we live now, they stop all the time.

01:58:31.000 So like they'll sit on the branches and stuff, which is really rare to see.

01:58:34.000 So this is praying mantises are so nasty.

01:58:38.000 But look at it.

01:58:39.000 It kind of knows it's there.

01:58:41.000 Well, that one.

01:58:42.000 Oh, my God.

01:58:43.000 It grabbed us by its beach.

01:58:44.000 It reached out and just snagged them.

01:58:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:46.000 The thing is, they're so strong for their size.

01:58:49.000 I mean, that is literally like a person trying to take out a cow.

01:58:52.000 Go down.

01:58:53.000 Was one that one with the praying mantis and then a scorpion.

01:58:58.000 Oh, praying man is going to kill that scorpion. 0.56

01:59:00.000 That scorpion doesn't have a fucking chance. 0.58

01:59:03.000 I don't know.

01:59:04.000 That's what I'm guessing.

01:59:05.000 Yeah, look, he's already on top of them.

01:59:07.000 Yeah, he just mounted them.

01:59:09.000 But then look, he's avoiding the.

01:59:11.000 Yeah, he's going to figure it out.

01:59:12.000 He's also avoiding the stinger.

01:59:13.000 Like, what is happening?

01:59:14.000 What is happening?

01:59:15.000 They're probably both trying to figure out why they're in there together.

01:59:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:59:20.000 Like, this is the shit of nightmares for me.

01:59:22.000 Praying mantises are not.

01:59:23.000 They're monsters.

01:59:25.000 See if you can find videos of praying mantises eating roaches.

01:59:28.000 There's like a whole mantis page on Instagram where they put like a different bug in there with praying mantises.

01:59:36.000 How do we know it's not AI created though, guys?

01:59:37.000 Because this has been around for years.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:40.000 Praying mantises.

01:59:41.000 Oh, look, they fuck up giant lizards. 0.99

01:59:43.000 They kill lizards.

01:59:43.000 Like, the lizard tried to eat him at the beginning of it.

01:59:46.000 Oh, my God.

01:59:47.000 If you watch the video, the actual video, the lizard tried to eat him.

01:59:50.000 He's like, not today, bitch. 1.00

01:59:52.000 I'll be eating you.

01:59:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:53.000 That poor lizard thought he was going to eat the praying mantis, and the praying mantis is eating him.

01:59:58.000 Like, we are so lucky that they're little.

02:00:02.000 We're so lucky.

02:00:03.000 We are so like, I hate that.

02:00:04.000 Because if they were big and smart.

02:00:06.000 No, and then there's a bird.

02:00:07.000 I don't want to see the bird.

02:00:08.000 Is he killing that bird?

02:00:09.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:10.000 There's the one I found, which I hadn't seen before.

02:00:11.000 It's hanging upside down from a flower eating.

02:00:15.000 Eating the banter.

02:00:16.000 It's like, it's a big bird, too.

02:00:16.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:19.000 That is wild.

02:00:20.000 My God.

02:00:21.000 They are just monsters.

02:00:23.000 I mean, that's like alien from the movie Alien.

02:00:26.000 That's what it's like.

02:00:27.000 It's just little.

02:00:27.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:29.000 My entire mind has been blown.

02:00:32.000 That's what a praying mantis can do.

02:00:32.000 Look at that.

02:00:32.000 Right?

02:00:34.000 Hang upside down while it's eating a bird.

02:00:37.000 And literally hanging onto the petals of a flower.

02:00:41.000 Like it's nothing.

02:00:42.000 Upside down.

02:00:42.000 And with no strain at all.

02:00:44.000 It's not whatsoever.

02:00:45.000 It's carrying a fucking bird that's like five times bigger than its body.

02:00:49.000 It's the size of like a barn swallow.

02:00:50.000 It's crazy.

02:00:52.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:53.000 The crazy thing is these stupid lizards that think they're going to eat them.

02:00:56.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:57.000 I mean, it is such a bizarre creature.

02:01:00.000 I don't want to see anything.

02:01:01.000 Look at that one.

02:01:02.000 That one's a little bit more.

02:01:02.000 That's poor little beauty.

02:01:03.000 Oh, they do it all the time. 1.00

02:01:04.000 They get hummingbirds.

02:01:06.000 So he's just.

02:01:07.000 A lot of these have no action, though, too.

02:01:08.000 I've seen trying to capture stuff.

02:01:11.000 But these go back as long as YouTube does.

02:01:13.000 Some of those are 15-year-old videos.

02:01:16.000 Those are the ones I would try.

02:01:17.000 Oh, but they get them so quickly.

02:01:18.000 Why do they stop moving so quickly?

02:01:20.000 They're so fast.

02:01:21.000 Because they're so strong, too.

02:01:23.000 That one looks fake.

02:01:25.000 Mouth created within four weeks.

02:01:26.000 I started going, all right.

02:01:27.000 Oh, that looks like that's AI.

02:01:29.000 But the other ones are, those cell phone ones are real.

02:01:32.000 They're just unbelievably strong.

02:01:34.000 That's crazy.

02:01:35.000 I had no idea.

02:01:36.000 And if there's like a spaceship filled with those fuckers, they're all smart.

02:01:39.000 They're way smarter than us.

02:01:41.000 We're done.

02:01:42.000 I think I saw a three-year-old boy getting ready to take on a praying mantis, too.

02:01:45.000 I think he's going to lose in one of those videos.

02:01:46.000 So future generations are not looking good right now.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, if you walk up to a mantis, they'll be like, what, bitch? 1.00

02:01:52.000 Stand up.

02:01:53.000 They will on their hind legs. 0.80

02:01:55.000 They will.

02:01:56.000 We're just lucky they're little.

02:01:58.000 Right?

02:01:59.000 It's absolutely.

02:01:59.000 It's terrifying.

02:02:00.000 I'm going to go home and tell my husband all about this.

02:02:03.000 Not my daughter.

02:02:04.000 So that'll happen.

02:02:04.000 That's what they have to think about with this 31 Atlas.

02:02:07.000 If it's filled with reptilians, then we've got problems.

02:02:11.000 Oh, my God.

02:02:11.000 I cannot laugh at children.

02:02:13.000 Oh, no.

02:02:14.000 See, I told you there was one.

02:02:15.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:02:16.000 Oh, God.

02:02:17.000 He's like, fuck you.

02:02:18.000 He tried to eat the baby.

02:02:19.000 He did.

02:02:20.000 He tried to eat the baby.

02:02:22.000 That's how gangster praying mantises are. 0.95

02:02:24.000 It went after that baby.

02:02:24.000 Oh, my God.

02:02:26.000 He was like, fuck you.

02:02:27.000 I will eat your entire body. 0.99

02:02:29.000 The thing is crazy before someone comes to rescue you.

02:02:32.000 We don't think of them as being vicious.

02:02:35.000 No, I look at them and think that they're super cool.

02:02:37.000 Like, I would have been that three-year-old kid.

02:02:40.000 If I'd ever seen one in our yard, I would have been like, hey, honey.

02:02:43.000 A regular green mantis.

02:02:44.000 There are some wild mantises out there.

02:02:47.000 Stop.

02:02:47.000 There's more?

02:02:48.000 Look at that one.

02:02:49.000 Kung Fu Mantis.

02:02:50.000 Look at that one.

02:02:50.000 Wow.

02:02:52.000 Those are beautiful.

02:02:54.000 What is that one called?

02:02:55.000 Kung Fu Mantis?

02:02:56.000 Kung Fu, yeah.

02:02:56.000 What a beautiful looking insect.

02:02:59.000 Just imagine a planet where that's the size of a horse.

02:03:03.000 No, we're fucked if that's what's on this copper thing that's coming towards us.

02:03:08.000 I just got super lucky that the insect world is small.

02:03:12.000 Somehow or another, it worked out that way, where the insect world is small.

02:03:12.000 It's true.

02:03:16.000 Because if the insect world was as big as the mammal world, it would be a wash.

02:03:21.000 It would be over.

02:03:21.000 Like if they were the size of elephants?

02:03:23.000 Well, if they're as size as dogs, they'd kill us all. 0.81

02:03:26.000 That's true.

02:03:26.000 Look at that fucking one praying mantis can do.

02:03:30.000 Oh, look at that one.

02:03:31.000 It looks like a flower.

02:03:32.000 That's a praying man.

02:03:33.000 What is that thing?

02:03:34.000 Yeah, that's the one we were just looking at, this little guy.

02:03:37.000 Yeah.

02:03:37.000 And that's a bigger one.

02:03:39.000 What?

02:03:40.000 Giant mantis.

02:03:41.000 Holy shit.

02:03:42.000 I don't know that.

02:03:42.000 That's crazy.

02:03:43.000 We probably have to listen to the video to hear what kind it is.

02:03:46.000 What is it?

02:03:47.000 What is it going to do?

02:03:47.000 Like, where's, oh, it's heads, the white part in the front.

02:03:50.000 Yeah, that thing.

02:03:51.000 That looks like a.

02:03:52.000 His arms folded up.

02:03:53.000 Whoa.

02:03:54.000 Wait, where's his arms folded?

02:03:55.000 His arms are folded right.

02:03:57.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:03:59.000 Oh, my goodness.

02:04:01.000 He just put his head off.

02:04:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:04:02.000 Whoa.

02:04:03.000 Whoa.

02:04:04.000 Maybe they just mated. 0.94

02:04:05.000 Jeez.

02:04:05.000 Who knows?

02:04:06.000 That's what the females do after mating. 1.00

02:04:08.000 They do.

02:04:08.000 They just eat them.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, they fuck up the men.

02:04:13.000 Yeah, well, that's.

02:04:14.000 That's how you stay small.

02:04:16.000 Nature's like, you're too fucking gangster.

02:04:17.000 We have to keep you little. 0.89

02:04:18.000 We have to keep it.

02:04:19.000 It's like chihuahuas.

02:04:20.000 And honey badgers.

02:04:23.000 It was the size of a wolf.

02:04:23.000 We'd have a real problem.

02:04:27.000 Make them little.

02:04:28.000 They're so gangster.

02:04:29.000 They just.

02:04:31.000 It never could take over the whole forest.

02:04:33.000 These fucking honey badgers just like...

02:04:35.000 I can imagine if a honey badger was the size of a horse and they would just take over an entire swath of land.

02:04:43.000 There probably were things like that.

02:04:45.000 There probably were back in the day.

02:04:47.000 And now we have chickens left.

02:04:48.000 Do you have to keep up on a certain amount of sci-fi because of playing Starbucks?

02:04:54.000 Do you feel like an obligation to your fans to hold on to a certain amount of sci-fi information?

02:04:59.000 Yes and no.

02:05:00.000 I feel that I have to maintain and hold on to a respect for the genre and the knowledge that I will never have.

02:05:12.000 That there are people that can come up to me and tell me the entire history of Star Wars.

02:05:19.000 And before I was in Star Wars, I considered myself a Star Wars fan.

02:05:23.000 And then I got in Star Wars and I was like, oh, I don't know shit about anything.

02:05:27.000 It's a big ass universe now.

02:05:29.000 It is.

02:05:30.000 Especially now.

02:05:31.000 Keeping up on Mandalorian stuff.

02:05:33.000 It's like.

02:05:34.000 No, you can't keep up on anything.

02:05:36.000 So I just, I always just say, I would love to know more about that.

02:05:41.000 Can you please?

02:05:42.000 That's good.

02:05:43.000 Can you please enlighten me?

02:05:44.000 Because I don't know.

02:05:45.000 I really don't know.

02:05:46.000 And like these, you know, I have found that the sci-fi community, especially, like one of my favorite things is going to conventions because I love, I just, I love meeting people and like new people and meeting the people that are fans of the work.

02:05:59.000 And we always have things in common.

02:06:01.000 And, and I would, I would be so bold as to to say that sci-fi fans are some of the smartest people I've ever met.

02:06:15.000 They're a lot of nerds. 0.99

02:06:15.000 I'm sure. 0.99

02:06:17.000 They're very, very, very smart.

02:06:19.000 And I just, I can, I cannot compete with that.

02:06:24.000 I can, I can tell you the lines that I can't forget.

02:06:27.000 There are lines like from Battle Star Galactica, we've got violent decompressions irradiating from the port flight pod.

02:06:34.000 I thought I was going to be fired because I couldn't say it.

02:06:37.000 I had to write it down.

02:06:38.000 I had to tape it to my Viper.

02:06:40.000 I was like, oh my God, they're going to find out.

02:06:42.000 I'm just like, oh, my God, like I'm, I shouldn't be here.

02:06:45.000 This is crazy.

02:06:46.000 I'm an imposter.

02:06:47.000 And then I find, now I can't forget it.

02:06:49.000 I had a line from Mandalorian that I couldn't remember for the life of me.

02:06:54.000 And so I kept memorizing it with my husband and he was throwing tennis balls at my face.

02:06:57.000 So we were, I was catching tennis balls as I was memorizing it because God was that hard?

02:07:02.000 It was very hard.

02:07:03.000 But it was Pirate King Gorian Shard is captaining a cumulus class corsair of violent snub fighters.

02:07:11.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 Oh my God.

02:07:14.000 It was just like, somebody hates you in the writer's room.

02:07:14.000 Yeah.

02:07:16.000 It's possible.

02:07:19.000 You know, you never know.

02:07:20.000 That seems so mean to make someone try to say that.

02:07:23.000 You say it.

02:07:24.000 Fucking you say it first.

02:07:25.000 It's true.

02:07:25.000 There are times I have, I have since like, Ron Moore was on my podcast and I told him that like for 25 years, I have not been able to forget this fucking violent decompressions line.

02:07:34.000 And he was like, I'm so sorry.

02:07:35.000 That's hilarious.

02:07:37.000 Because he's aware.

02:07:37.000 That's very funny.

02:07:38.000 Like he's aware that, you know, he's making actors say shit that you should never have to say in real life.

02:07:44.000 Like, you know, and then furthermore, you have to try and decipher it.

02:07:48.000 You know, like one of my jobs is to take something I don't understand and then say it with authority as if I do understand it.

02:07:54.000 So I have to dissect it and learn what certain things mean.

02:07:57.000 And if I don't understand it, I have to give it context in something that I do understand in order to like sound like I am not an idiot.

02:08:05.000 Right.

02:08:05.000 Which at times is hard.

02:08:07.000 So, you know, it's, it's, it's, God, the jargon is, I learned the tennis ball technique with my husband, though.

02:08:14.000 That's a great technique.

02:08:15.000 That sounds like a good technique.

02:08:16.000 You remember it while you're catching tennis balls, then you really remember it.

02:08:19.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 That is a crazy sentence to try to remember.

02:08:22.000 Yeah, it was not easy.

02:08:24.000 You're a part of something that people in sci-fi that I think is very interesting.

02:08:24.000 It's not easy.

02:08:31.000 Sci-fi is, I think, the genre of action that has the most badass women. 1.00

02:08:39.000 100%.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 At least it did.

02:08:41.000 It did for a long time.

02:08:43.000 I think the OG is obviously a Sigourney Weaver.

02:08:46.000 100%.

02:08:47.000 That.

02:08:49.000 I mean, that is like an aside.

02:08:52.000 No one is like, oh, it's a strong female lead.

02:08:54.000 That is an aside to an insane movie and an amazing performance.

02:09:00.000 Like that last scene when she kills that thing. 0.94

02:09:03.000 Yes.

02:09:05.000 Yeah.

02:09:06.000 She's like 1979.

02:09:06.000 That's a nice character.

02:09:08.000 Yes.

02:09:08.000 Amazing.

02:09:09.000 That character, when I saw that movie, I was like, I want to be her.

02:09:15.000 Right.

02:09:15.000 Because up till then, I only wanted to be Bruce Willis.

02:09:17.000 I wanted to like save the Nakadomi building.

02:09:19.000 You know, like I wanted these, I loved action movies with my dad.

02:09:22.000 And when he started realizing that I had this affinity toward these movies, he started showing me movies with strong female leads.

02:09:30.000 And Sigourney was the one where I saw that performance.

02:09:33.000 And she was everything.

02:09:36.000 She was strong.

02:09:37.000 She was capable.

02:09:38.000 She was smart.

02:09:38.000 She was feminine.

02:09:39.000 She was funny.

02:09:41.000 She was so, she was everything.

02:09:45.000 And it was a perfect movie.

02:09:47.000 It was a perfect movie.

02:09:48.000 It was a perfect movie.

02:09:50.000 Number two, possibly better even.

02:09:53.000 Yeah, this is a scene where she blows it out. 1.00

02:09:56.000 I disagree.

02:09:57.000 You do?

02:09:58.000 Yes.

02:09:59.000 Because number two, the aliens are too easy to kill.

02:10:02.000 This motherfucker is so hard to kill. 0.96

02:10:03.000 So hard to kill.

02:10:04.000 And then in the second one, they're just gunning them down.

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:07.000 It was a different thing.

02:10:08.000 It's a different thing.

02:10:09.000 Look, they're both great movies.

02:10:11.000 I really loved Aliens.

02:10:13.000 But the thing about Alien, the first one, was that thing was an amazing movie.

02:10:19.000 Just the way that, I mean, just the, I mean, it's just such a shock.

02:10:23.000 It's a perfect movie.

02:10:24.000 The framing of that is.

02:10:26.000 There was never one moment in that movie where you saw what was coming next.

02:10:30.000 No, because we hadn't seen anything like it.

02:10:32.000 Nothing.

02:10:33.000 The chestburster scene.

02:10:34.000 I remember being in the movie theater together.

02:10:36.000 Look at the utter fucking exhaustion on her face. 1.00

02:10:40.000 Crazy.

02:10:42.000 The chestburster scene was like, what the fuck?

02:10:42.000 Yeah.

02:10:47.000 What?

02:10:48.000 I remember being in the movie theater.

02:10:50.000 I had no idea that was going to happen.

02:10:51.000 There was no internet back then.

02:10:53.000 I'm like, this movie is nuts.

02:10:53.000 Yeah.

02:10:53.000 Watch that.

02:10:56.000 And that little thing was running around on the ground and his chest was burst open.

02:11:00.000 So gross.

02:11:01.000 Everyone's screaming.

02:11:02.000 There's blood everywhere.

02:11:03.000 It was wild.

02:11:05.000 This is one of, probably, in my opinion, one of the best movies of all time.

02:11:10.000 Oh, I agree.

02:11:11.000 100%.

02:11:12.000 And again, the fact that it was a strong female lead was just as a tiny little part of the movie.

02:11:18.000 It was just, she was so good.

02:11:20.000 You didn't even think, oh, it's a strong female lead. 0.75

02:11:22.000 You're like, well, no, because they didn't believe her is a bad thing.

02:11:25.000 They didn't tell you this is a strong female lead.

02:11:27.000 No, exactly.

02:11:28.000 They just created a phenomenal character and made her a woman. 0.99

02:11:31.000 Exactly.

02:11:32.000 And she just played the part perfectly.

02:11:35.000 This fucking scene.

02:11:35.000 Yeah.

02:11:36.000 Oh, this scene.

02:11:37.000 This scene.

02:11:37.000 This was so nuts.

02:11:39.000 It was so nuts.

02:11:40.000 Because you didn't know what is happening.

02:11:43.000 People have to realize, like, before movies were spoiled, there was no spoiler alerts back then.

02:11:43.000 I know.

02:11:49.000 You didn't get to watch clips.

02:11:50.000 But even just the way it shot, the frenetic energy of the camera matching the frenetic energy of his body.

02:11:57.000 Yeah.

02:12:00.000 This is such a crazy scene.

02:12:02.000 It's crazy.

02:12:05.000 Bro.

02:12:09.000 Again, 1979, this is happening.

02:12:13.000 I mean, the special effects back then were nuts.

02:12:16.000 To have something like, this is probably the greatest believable monster special effects in any movie up to this point.

02:12:24.000 I mean, by far.

02:12:26.000 That was a little bullshit.

02:12:27.000 That one was like it was on wheels.

02:12:29.000 That was a little silly.

02:12:30.000 It's on a piece of string someone's pulling it.

02:12:32.000 Yeah, it moved a little weird, but you know, it's an alien.

02:12:34.000 You were still scared as shit, though.

02:12:36.000 I'm still scared.

02:12:37.000 But then when you see the actual alien itself, you're like, what the hell is that?

02:12:42.000 You never saw anything like that before.

02:12:44.000 Not only was it completely unique in its design, it was horrific and it looked like an insect, like an insect and a reptile at the same time.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 Sci-fi was a place because I, so I was a huge fan of strong women and genre work. 0.99

02:13:02.000 And I found myself gravitating toward sci-fi because that's where women existed that I identified with and I saw myself. 1.00

02:13:12.000 Like, you know, I didn't see myself as like this, you know, well, the characters I played when I moved to California, they didn't, it didn't feel like me, you know?

02:13:23.000 And I really found sort of my calling, I guess, when I started watching those women.

02:13:31.000 And I loved Sarah Michelle Geller, and I loved Lucy Lawless, and I loved Linda Hamilton, and Carrie Fisher, and like a lot of these women that were Just really, really great characters.

02:13:47.000 And they were written as great characters.

02:13:49.000 And Starbuck was, and if you talk to Ron Moore about it, the reason why he made Starbuck and Boomer women, he didn't think about it.

02:13:58.000 He just said, okay, we've got, these are the characters from the original.

02:14:01.000 These are the characters we're going to put in my version.

02:14:04.000 Women are in the military.

02:14:06.000 Women do exist in combat roles now. 1.00

02:14:08.000 And we are making this for, you know, the early aughts.

02:14:11.000 We have to be representative of what the military looks like.

02:14:14.000 We need to make a couple of these characters fit women. 1.00

02:14:17.000 And he just said, this one and this one.

02:14:19.000 He didn't even give it any thought, you know?

02:14:22.000 And so I think part of the reason why they were so great, the characters are so great, was that they were just great characters.

02:14:33.000 Right.

02:14:34.000 The writing was so great.

02:14:35.000 There was never a time where they were like, she's the best female pilot around.

02:14:42.000 Right.

02:14:43.000 You know, it was.

02:14:44.000 Like Linda Hamilton and Terminator. 0.81

02:14:46.000 It's like, she's just a great character.

02:14:47.000 She's just a great character.

02:14:50.000 And with a motivation that we all can identify with.

02:14:53.000 So it's, it's, and, and that's why she was such a great character.

02:14:58.000 And, and, you know, she opened so many doors for me.

02:15:01.000 And, and because then people started to believe that I was tough.

02:15:04.000 And how many girls started doing chin-ups after they saw Linda Hamilton in the Terminator? 1.00

02:15:09.000 Please.

02:15:10.000 And it's chin-ups are fucking hard.

02:15:12.000 I know.

02:15:12.000 She's jacked.

02:15:13.000 She's jacked.

02:15:13.000 I can't.

02:15:14.000 She got so fit for them.

02:15:15.000 I did a Spartan race with my husband because on my podcast channel, I was, you know, during COVID and then like before COVID, we were, I was creating content of sort of like Katie did sort of stuff.

02:15:26.000 Like, I'd love to do this.

02:15:28.000 Let's film it and see what it's like.

02:15:29.000 So we signed up for a Spartan race and then recorded the whole thing.

02:15:32.000 And my husband not only ran his race, but then ran my race too, like recording the whole thing.

02:15:38.000 That's the hardest thing I've ever done, like getting in shape for that thing.

02:15:41.000 I got in shape for six months before.

02:15:43.000 That was hard.

02:15:45.000 And getting to a point where I actually could do chin-ups and then also pull-ups too.

02:15:49.000 I was like, wow, I'm strong.

02:15:52.000 Like, I felt so strong.

02:15:53.000 At one point, so I get to the actual race and I'd been training with such heavy shit that I got to the medicine ball where you have to pick it up, carry it and throw it and then pick it up and carry it and throw it.

02:16:02.000 And it was so light for me.

02:16:04.000 And I was prepared for it to be like so heavy.

02:16:06.000 I got to it and I picked it up and then like I threw it and it kept going and I had to slow down because I had to go get the ball and bring it back to where it was supposed to be.

02:16:14.000 I'd gotten almost too strong.

02:16:16.000 That's hilarious.

02:16:17.000 It was really awesome.

02:16:18.000 It was so fun.

02:16:19.000 It's nice to know that you can get strong though.

02:16:21.000 That like that feeling is a nice feeling.

02:16:23.000 I wish everybody felt that.

02:16:24.000 Yeah.

02:16:25.000 Just get physically better.

02:16:27.000 You'll feel better.

02:16:28.000 But I had fun doing it.

02:16:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:30.000 And I also set myself a goal.

02:16:32.000 I think that's really important too.

02:16:34.000 Like for some people that it's daunting is setting a goal.

02:16:38.000 And the goal doesn't need to be winning.

02:16:39.000 The goal just needs to be finishing.

02:16:42.000 Why do you think it is that like sci-fi in particular embraced these like gangster women characters?

02:16:51.000 So my opinion on this is that I feel like because science fiction doesn't exist, because you're existing in these make-believe worlds, that strong women were not intimidating in sci-fi because we could be dismissed as not, but that wouldn't happen in real life.

02:17:11.000 Interesting.

02:17:12.000 That's interesting.

02:17:13.000 So men could then watch these and not be threatened.

02:17:17.000 That's my opinion.

02:17:19.000 I bet you're right.

02:17:20.000 I bet that's the only thing that makes sense now that I'm thinking about it.

02:17:24.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:17:25.000 Because like there's no female John Wick.

02:17:30.000 No, no.

02:17:31.000 Well, there is that one.

02:17:32.000 Allerina.

02:17:33.000 No, that one, the Emily one.

02:17:36.000 The one that Kevin James was in?

02:17:38.000 It's a crazy movie about this young girl who just kills all these bad guys.

02:17:45.000 I have no idea.

02:17:46.000 It's kind of like tongue-in-cheek.

02:17:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:49.000 But it's hyper-violent.

02:17:50.000 It's crazy.

02:17:51.000 That's what it's called, right?

02:17:52.000 Emily?

02:17:54.000 I think there's two of them.

02:17:56.000 There was one where they killed her dad and they killed her family and so she killed everybody.

02:18:02.000 And then she came back.

02:18:03.000 And then the second one, she came back and killed more people. 0.98

02:18:06.000 It's like a young, cute girl who just knows how to kill everybody. 1.00

02:18:10.000 I mean, look, it's kind of fun.

02:18:11.000 It's funny.

02:18:11.000 It's kind of fun.

02:18:12.000 It's a funny movie.

02:18:13.000 When I went through.

02:18:15.000 What is it, Jamie?

02:18:16.000 Not Megan.

02:18:18.000 Whatever Kevin James was in, it was about a young girl who kills everybody. 0.99

02:18:22.000 Kevin James?

02:18:22.000 Yeah.

02:18:23.000 Kevin James was a bad guy.

02:18:25.000 He played white supremacist.

02:18:27.000 That movie's called Becky. 0.99

02:18:28.000 That's Becky.

02:18:28.000 Becky.

02:18:29.000 Becky.

02:18:30.000 Yeah.

02:18:31.000 There's a second one, though, right?

02:18:33.000 Well, there's a movie called Emily, and there's a Kevin James.

02:18:36.000 No, it is Becky.

02:18:37.000 But there was a movie before Becky, I believe.

02:18:37.000 You're right.

02:18:40.000 72% on Rotten Tomatoes.

02:18:42.000 Oh, it's fun.

02:18:43.000 Wrath of Becky also came out.

02:18:45.000 That's right.

02:18:46.000 I just saw Ballerina. 0.86

02:18:47.000 That's it.

02:18:47.000 That's the first one, right?

02:18:47.000 That's the first one.

02:18:49.000 No, this is the second one.

02:18:50.000 That's the second one.

02:18:51.000 This is the first one.

02:18:53.000 I thought there was a pre-elude to it.

02:18:55.000 Either way.

02:18:55.000 Yeah.

02:18:56.000 Fun-ass movie.

02:18:57.000 Oh, Joel McHale's in it.

02:18:58.000 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:19:00.000 It's a fun-ass movie.

02:19:02.000 But it's like, that's the female John Wick. 0.88

02:19:04.000 Well, I think everybody's trying to create these strong female characters now.

02:19:08.000 And I think that one of the biggest problems with a lot of them is that they're not focusing on the character to begin with, like we talked about.

02:19:18.000 Like, write a strong character and then just make her a woman. 0.96

02:19:22.000 You know, like.

02:19:22.000 Right.

02:19:23.000 Don't write a strong character that you have to have a woman. 1.00

02:19:26.000 Right.

02:19:27.000 I think that's part of it because they're all trying to create.

02:19:30.000 There's so many of them now, right?

02:19:33.000 And I love to see them and I love to give them chances.

02:19:36.000 But a lot of times the I want to also see somebody that's believable in the role as well, right?

02:19:44.000 Like one of the funnest, the things that I love to do is transform my body depending on what character I'm playing within reason.

02:19:52.000 There's only so much I can do or that I want to do.

02:19:55.000 But, you know, for my show, Another Life, my character wakes up from cryo.

02:19:59.000 I wanted her to look like dehydrated and sinewy and like really, really, really lean, like almost unhealthy lean. 1.00

02:20:07.000 And I got myself down to such a low body.

02:20:11.000 It was like.

02:20:11.000 It was crazy.

02:20:12.000 What did you eat to get down like that?

02:20:15.000 1450 a day, 1550 a day, something around that time when I was cutting.

02:20:23.000 But I packed on muscle and then cut like really hard for like three weeks before.

02:20:29.000 And I was eating a lot of protein.

02:20:32.000 And I got myself so low that my menstruation stopped.

02:20:39.000 And I was like, oh, this is too low.

02:20:40.000 This is really low.

02:20:42.000 That happens with a lot of deadrunners.

02:20:44.000 Yeah, it was quite low.

02:20:45.000 But I got to where I wanted to be.

02:20:48.000 I looked the way I wanted to look.

02:20:49.000 And then I naturally put on, you know, a healthy amount of weight as the series went on, which is what I wanted to do anyway.

02:20:56.000 But so I want to see not someone do something detrimental to their health necessarily, but I do want to, I want to see the muscle.

02:21:03.000 I want to see the capability in a character that's kicking ass.

02:21:06.000 Right.

02:21:06.000 You want it to be believable.

02:21:08.000 Yeah.

02:21:08.000 Right.

02:21:09.000 Yeah.

02:21:10.000 Like when they all got in insane shape for that movie 300.

02:21:16.000 Oh my God.

02:21:16.000 It's like that would be like the best job in the world for me.

02:21:21.000 If they're like, we're going to give you tons of time and tons of money to just get in the best shape of your life.

02:21:27.000 Here's some trainers. 0.92

02:21:27.000 Yeah. 0.92

02:21:28.000 We got like six months.

02:21:30.000 Let's do it.

02:21:30.000 There was a lot of people that thought that they used AI for that.

02:21:33.000 They used some AI for sure because that was a crazy movie.

02:21:36.000 For 300?

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 Well, they used.

02:21:38.000 300 had a lot of AI because it was.

02:21:41.000 Excuse me.

02:21:42.000 I should say not AI.

02:21:43.000 I should say CGI.

02:21:44.000 It had CGI for sure.

02:21:45.000 That's what I should say.

02:21:46.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 Because obviously the giant Persian king was not really that big.

02:21:51.000 There was a lot of fantasy elements of that.

02:21:55.000 But I think they really did get in insane shape.

02:21:59.000 And a lot of people dismissed that and said, that's CGI.

02:22:02.000 But there's videos of those guys working out, like getting ready.

02:22:04.000 Yeah, look at these guys just going crazy, getting ready to film this movie.

02:22:09.000 I mean, they trained like animals.

02:22:14.000 So you can see that they're working out.

02:22:16.000 So they really did just develop incredible bodies, which the nutty thing is anybody can do.

02:22:23.000 You just have to do it.

02:22:25.000 Do what they did.

02:22:26.000 You'll get a lot better.

02:22:26.000 It's a lot of hard work, though.

02:22:28.000 It's not that easy.

02:22:29.000 Yes, it on paper is easy, but like being the mom of two kids, though.

02:22:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:34.000 Like, it's and having a job.

02:22:37.000 I, in the last two years, I, I, it, I'm hard-pressed to find time to work out.

02:22:42.000 And I wake up at five o'clock in the morning, so I'm awake before my kids.

02:22:47.000 And, you know, I choose during that time to, you know, meditate, write my journal, breathe, take time to myself, and then they wake up.

02:22:55.000 I haven't quite figured out how to fit in my workouts.

02:22:59.000 Well, that's an obligation that's very different, right?

02:23:02.000 You're a mother, you know, and you're doing the absolute right thing.

02:23:05.000 You're dedicating all your time to being a mom when you're there.

02:23:08.000 Like, that's just how it is.

02:23:10.000 But for, you know, for the amount of hours that are in a day, it would be nice if you could just get a little time to yourself.

02:23:21.000 As they get older, you'll have more time to yourself, and then you'll be able to get back on track.

02:23:26.000 But for people that have the time and don't do it, that's the wasted potential of your resources.

02:23:33.000 Like, you don't have to do a lot.

02:23:35.000 Just do some body squats and do some push-ups.

02:23:38.000 And you don't need a lot of equipment either.

02:23:40.000 I think that's the thing.

02:23:41.000 Think that we've made physical fitness in some way because it's an industry.

02:23:46.000 I think we've made it daunting for a lot of people.

02:23:48.000 And, you know, I think that if you just focus on the things, the tried and true, like you can do that stuff in your house without weights or with things that are heavy in your house, you know, you can actually make progress.

02:24:00.000 Sure.

02:24:00.000 And if you don't know anybody to teach you how to do stuff, all you have to do is go on YouTube.

02:24:04.000 Just go on YouTube and look up Beginner Bodyweight Workout.

02:24:07.000 I'm sure there's a bunch of them out there.

02:24:09.000 And you can do stuff with no physical fitness equipment.

02:24:09.000 Yeah.

02:24:12.000 Just do push-ups and sit-ups and body weight squats and you can get a great workout in that way.

02:24:16.000 That's true.

02:24:17.000 And nobody has to watch you.

02:24:18.000 You don't have to feel self-conscious.

02:24:20.000 Just you and your phone.

02:24:21.000 Shit, you can go to my YouTube channel because during COVID, I was doing my workouts and I said to my husband, I was like, might as well record this shit and put it out there.

02:24:29.000 So yeah, and all of them are fun and interesting and easy.

02:24:33.000 And people still come up to me and they're like, I lost, you know, a man came up to me at a convention the other day.

02:24:38.000 He said he lost over 80 pounds doing the workouts that I put and signed up for a Spartan race, Spartan race.

02:24:44.000 And I was like, that's awesome.

02:24:45.000 I love that.

02:24:46.000 That's so cool.

02:24:48.000 See, that's a great thing.

02:24:48.000 That's very cool.

02:24:50.000 They're your fans.

02:24:51.000 I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to work out with her.

02:24:51.000 They see you working.

02:24:53.000 And everybody works out together.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:55.000 Great.

02:24:55.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 See, that's the great use of the internet.

02:24:58.000 The internet has a lot of great uses.

02:25:00.000 You can learn anything on the internet.

02:25:02.000 You can learn anything.

02:25:03.000 You can find out stuff, how to make things and fix things and get information about something you never thought you were interested in.

02:25:10.000 Like, look, you never thought that praying mantises were so scary.

02:25:13.000 And now I know, but you know what I'm doing?

02:25:15.000 What?

02:25:16.000 I'm now already in my head trying to write a children's book about Praying Mantis.

02:25:20.000 Oh, you are?

02:25:21.000 I am.

02:25:22.000 It's like, that's my ADHD.

02:25:23.000 Like, I'm already.

02:25:24.000 You started once you saw that.

02:25:25.000 Once I did.

02:25:26.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:25:27.000 Yeah.

02:25:28.000 Well, I want a copy of that book.

02:25:29.000 Probably cool.

02:25:32.000 It's going to be a pop-up book.

02:25:33.000 So every time you move it, the praying mantis is like, we just, for some reason, miss them.

02:25:39.000 And when we're describing the most ruthless animals on earth, we miss the praying mantis because they might be the gangster of gangsters.

02:25:46.000 I think they might be.

02:25:47.000 Do they ever attack together?

02:25:48.000 Do they work in coordination?

02:25:50.000 That's a good question.

02:25:51.000 If they did, they'd be unstoppable.

02:25:52.000 Because that would be Starship Troopers.

02:25:54.000 That would be like if a bunch of women cycled their periods, we could take over the world. 1.00

02:26:00.000 Especially with those headsets.

02:26:01.000 Google has to do it.

02:26:02.000 We could really, because then we just talk to each other.

02:26:05.000 Like, it would be, that would be on fire.

02:26:08.000 Like, it would be on fire.

02:26:09.000 We'd like, you know, take over some crazy shit.

02:26:11.000 For sure.

02:26:12.000 That would be awesome.

02:26:13.000 That would be awesome.

02:26:14.000 Well, maybe that's a good use of technology.

02:26:16.000 I know you're anti-AI.

02:26:17.000 Maybe for that.

02:26:18.000 I am anti-AI because I am in self-preservation mode here.

02:26:22.000 I am desperate to be like, I am.

02:26:25.000 I'm mad or damn it.

02:26:31.000 And not just to my family.

02:26:34.000 You know?

02:26:34.000 Right.

02:26:35.000 I know.

02:26:35.000 I think we're all going to be like that soon.

02:26:38.000 I don't know.

02:26:39.000 I don't think so.

02:26:39.000 I think it'll.

02:26:40.000 We'll always find a place.

02:26:42.000 You just have to be malleable and you have to figure out where to, you know, I don't know, adjust.

02:26:49.000 Yeah, pivot.

02:26:50.000 Yeah, there's going to be some pivoting for sure.

02:26:53.000 A lot of pivoting.

02:26:54.000 How often do you do your podcast?

02:26:56.000 So my podcast is once a week every Tuesday.

02:26:59.000 What's it called?

02:27:00.000 It's called The Sack Off Show.

02:27:02.000 It was called blah, blah, blah, but people couldn't find it.

02:27:05.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:27:06.000 So we just changed it to the Sackoff Show.

02:27:09.000 And we're actually, like I said, doing in the new year a Battle Circle Actica rewatch as well because I've, like I said, I've never seen it.

02:27:17.000 So I'm curious to be.

02:27:18.000 It's kind of crazy that you've never seen it.

02:27:19.000 The Sack Off show sounds funny, too.

02:27:22.000 It's like it's your last name, but it's also, it's like, it's like a fun name for a show.

02:27:27.000 I mean, it is fun.

02:27:27.000 Well, we'll see.

02:27:29.000 I have a lot of fun.

02:27:30.000 I'm just trying to be like, you know, a tenth as good at it as you are, Joe.

02:27:35.000 Oh, sweet.

02:27:36.000 Well, you're very good at this.

02:27:37.000 There's a reason why you're the best at it.

02:27:39.000 You've been doing it a long time.

02:27:41.000 And, you know, you worked your ass off.

02:27:44.000 Well, I'll just tell you what I did.

02:27:45.000 I just talked to people that I'm interested in.

02:27:47.000 That's it.

02:27:48.000 That's all you have to do.

02:27:49.000 I do that.

02:27:50.000 It's really hard to find the right audience in an oversaturated market.

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:58.000 But it's happening.

02:27:59.000 It is oversaturated.

02:28:00.000 It is.

02:28:02.000 But it doesn't mean it's inaccessible.

02:28:03.000 If you're remarkable, you could pop through.

02:28:06.000 And sometimes maybe it just takes coming on here and then people hear about it and go watch it.

02:28:10.000 And I'll be like, who's Katie Sackham?

02:28:12.000 She's that chick from Battle Circle Actica. 0.99

02:28:16.000 But you seem like you'd be an awesome podcaster.

02:28:19.000 I have fun.

02:28:20.000 I love talking to people.

02:28:21.000 And it literally helped me figure out that I was ADHD because I couldn't not talk on top of people.

02:28:30.000 I was like, I listened.

02:28:32.000 I did.

02:28:33.000 My first interview was Bryce Dallas Howard.

02:28:36.000 God love her.

02:28:37.000 And I listened to it back in the car with my husband and I was like, oh my God, I don't stop talking.

02:28:47.000 Do you wear headsets?

02:28:50.000 You do.

02:28:50.000 I do.

02:28:51.000 That helps a lot because you hear the talk, the over talking, which we all tend to do sometimes accidentally because sometimes you don't know when to come in.

02:28:51.000 I do.

02:29:00.000 But it's a learned skill.

02:29:03.000 It's a learned skill like everything else.

02:29:05.000 It's like everything else.

02:29:07.000 And you have to learn different people, learn the dance of different people.

02:29:11.000 Some people have just a different thing.

02:29:13.000 And always, in my mind, my number one goal is to try to get the most out of them.

02:29:20.000 Like get them to have the most fun, the most get the questions that stir their interest the most.

02:29:27.000 Like something, I want to know who you are.

02:29:28.000 Like for real, for real.

02:29:29.000 Yeah.

02:29:30.000 Like I want to like help you be the best version of you that you can when you're doing it.

02:29:35.000 That's sort of my thing as well.

02:29:36.000 Like I wanted to, you know, one of the things that came out of COVID for me was that, and I don't know about you, but I had weekly conversations with girlfriends I hadn't talked to in years.

02:29:46.000 And we were like every Tuesday at four o'clock, we'd have a drink and connect again.

02:29:50.000 And the conversations were wonderful because we had the time to have them again.

02:29:54.000 And then I started going back to conventions and in the green room, I was having these wonderful conversations with people.

02:30:01.000 And I was like, God, I wish I could record these because they're really authentic.

02:30:06.000 And you're getting to see people in a very different light.

02:30:09.000 And they're really opening up because it's not like a gotcha podcast.

02:30:14.000 Like, you know, if you want to cut something out, you can cut something out.

02:30:17.000 Like, I'm not here to like ruin your career.

02:30:19.000 You know.

02:30:20.000 And the conversations are really interesting.

02:30:27.000 And people are talking about things that they've never spoken about.

02:30:30.000 And it's just really fun.

02:30:31.000 So I've really enjoyed it.

02:30:33.000 Well, don't you think like you're learning in the process as well?

02:30:36.000 Isn't that like one of the more fun parts of it?

02:30:39.000 The more you get to talk to interesting people, the more you learn, the more you understand how other people think and how they feel about stuff.

02:30:46.000 And it inspires the shit out of me.

02:30:46.000 Yeah.

02:30:48.000 You know, like if I have like a month where I'm not hustling and someone comes on the podcast and they're like, I got six things in production.

02:30:48.000 Yeah, I mean.

02:30:55.000 I'm doing this.

02:30:56.000 I wrote an album.

02:30:57.000 I've got a book coming out.

02:30:58.000 Man, I got six kids.

02:30:59.000 I'm like, fuck.

02:31:02.000 I have to work harder.

02:31:03.000 It's not bad, though, isn't there?

02:31:04.000 Oh, of course there is.

02:31:05.000 Of course there is.

02:31:06.000 And I think that I've found the right balance.

02:31:08.000 I have the right partner that's like super supportive and we're a real good team.

02:31:12.000 And yeah, it's just, it's, I've got, I think I've got the right balance.

02:31:18.000 But there's always going to be hustle in me.

02:31:19.000 That's of course.

02:31:20.000 You seem like you're well balanced, though.

02:31:22.000 That's, it's a good thing to say.

02:31:23.000 I try.

02:31:23.000 You should ask my husband.

02:31:24.000 I'll be like, that bitch is crazy. 1.00

02:31:27.000 I'm just going to go on my instincts.

02:31:28.000 I don't want to hear any contrary data.

02:31:31.000 Well, thank you very much for being here.

02:31:33.000 This is a lot of fun.

02:31:34.000 Thank you for having me.

02:31:35.000 I was a huge fan of you on the show.

02:31:36.000 Thank you.

02:31:37.000 It's cool to meet you.

02:31:37.000 Well, more things to come.

02:31:38.000 I promise.

02:31:39.000 I've got some really cool jobs in the can that are going to be kicking out.

02:31:45.000 I'd love to have you in here again.

02:31:45.000 Let's do it again sometime.

02:31:47.000 I would love that.

02:31:48.000 You'll have to come on my podcast.

02:31:49.000 I'll do it.

02:31:49.000 I would do it.

02:31:50.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 25, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2400 - Katee Sackhoff

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