The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2402

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 I hate my desk.

00:00:13.000 The desk is a mess because my mind is a mess.

00:00:16.000 I wish my mind was.

00:00:17.000 You're a creative.

00:00:18.000 That's how it works.

00:00:19.000 Is that how it works?

00:00:20.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:00:21.000 Is that the excuse?

00:00:22.000 I'm trying to make myself feel better.

00:00:24.000 I think that's the excuse we use for each other.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 I'm a creative.

00:00:29.000 It's my go-to default.

00:00:31.000 Is the compression on?

00:00:32.000 Something sounds weird.

00:00:34.000 Oh, it's just really loud.

00:00:35.000 Something happened?

00:00:36.000 Maybe my ears got better.

00:00:37.000 What happened?

00:00:38.000 You can hear now?

00:00:39.000 My ears aren't very good.

00:00:41.000 Sometimes, you know, when I'm underwater for too long, or I swim or something like that, and then I forget that my ears have water in them.

00:00:48.000 And then they come out like, oh, there's that moment where like, oh, this is how I hear.

00:00:54.000 I feel like I have the in-ear monitors for my job.

00:00:57.000 Oh, right.

00:00:58.000 I still, like, I've been using them for, I don't know, 20 years.

00:01:00.000 I'm still not used to them.

00:01:01.000 Like, I come from like honky-tonk world where you can hear everything.

00:01:06.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 Hear the room.

00:01:08.000 Well, it's so good that people have them now because, boy, so many people I know from back in the day are almost deaf.

00:01:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:17.000 I'm so glad we have them.

00:01:18.000 It's not the same.

00:01:19.000 I mean, you don't feel the energy of the room, but it saved your hearing.

00:01:23.000 It's a good trade-off.

00:01:25.000 You can hear it enough.

00:01:26.000 It's a good trade-off.

00:01:28.000 And so many of my friends who shoot guns too, same thing.

00:01:30.000 You know, that started hunting when they were kids and no ear protection back then.

00:01:34.000 And, you know, you say something to them and they're like, what?

00:01:37.000 Like, they're all half deaf.

00:01:39.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 My dad was a police officer.

00:01:41.000 And he's, I swear that's why my parents are still married because he can't hear it all.

00:01:47.000 And the dog ate his hearing aid and he never replaced it.

00:01:49.000 And I'm like, is that on purpose, dad?

00:01:50.000 That's hilarious.

00:01:52.000 That's hilarious.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, you definitely develop an ability to shut things off.

00:01:56.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 Because men and women think and communicate differently.

00:01:57.000 Otherwise.

00:02:00.000 And if you want your wife to communicate with you the way your buddies do, then, well, you married a dude.

00:02:06.000 Okay.

00:02:06.000 Yeah.

00:02:07.000 So if you want to be married to a woman, you have to listen.

00:02:10.000 Like, listen.

00:02:11.000 And everything.

00:02:12.000 Both ears.

00:02:12.000 And sometimes it's like a roundabout journey to get to the point.

00:02:18.000 And you can't go, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:02:20.000 Because then they're like, oh my God, why are you so hostile?

00:02:22.000 So you have to go, okay.

00:02:23.000 Okay.

00:02:24.000 Selective hearing.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, selective hearing.

00:02:26.000 But my husband will like, I'll say it, and I'll be like, say it back to me.

00:02:31.000 And like, and I found that when I do that, it's worse.

00:02:34.000 I'm like, I'm like, say, say what I said back to you.

00:02:37.000 Get bananas at the store.

00:02:38.000 So he comes home like, where's bananas?

00:02:40.000 I didn't get any.

00:02:41.000 So don't repeat it.

00:02:42.000 Just hold it in there.

00:02:45.000 That's hilarious.

00:02:46.000 He blocked it out for himself.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:49.000 That's very funny.

00:02:50.000 Yeah.

00:02:51.000 The earring thing, the hearing thing is kind of nuts that no one knew.

00:02:55.000 Like, it just makes you wonder.

00:02:56.000 Like, when did people, when, I wonder when people were aware that like loud music was going to kill your hearing?

00:03:04.000 I don't know.

00:03:05.000 Like, just, I mean, I've had the in-ears for a long time, and they did save all of our ears.

00:03:10.000 But it's like, I think that, and then like the longer you go, like, still, even though I have those, like, I turn them up way too loud because I'm like missing the energy.

00:03:21.000 Do you ever just say, fuck it for this show?

00:03:23.000 Like, sometimes when it's like a house band, you just get to use wedges.

00:03:23.000 Take one out.

00:03:26.000 I'm like, yes, this is amazing.

00:03:28.000 What's a wedge?

00:03:29.000 It's just like the little on-stage monitor.

00:03:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:31.000 Oh.

00:03:32.000 But it's just so loud.

00:03:33.000 I mean, it's so loud.

00:03:35.000 And I also do, I do mounted shooting.

00:03:39.000 And so.

00:03:40.000 That's crazy.

00:03:40.000 I saw that.

00:03:42.000 And so it's a good reminder.

00:03:43.000 Like the first time I took off on the first, I just started it last year.

00:03:47.000 I'm not good at all, but I love it.

00:03:48.000 And I took off on my horse and I forgot to wear air plugs.

00:03:51.000 And I was like, well, I'm a musician.

00:03:53.000 I should probably plug my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off of a horse.

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 But is it a revolver using a regular bullet?

00:04:02.000 No.

00:04:02.000 It's black powder.

00:04:03.000 Just the powder itself?

00:04:04.000 Yep.

00:04:05.000 It's spectator safe, horse safe.

00:04:07.000 So it just sprays powder and air at the balloon.

00:04:11.000 And pops balloons.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 What distance?

00:04:15.000 It gets you, I think, 15 yards?

00:04:18.000 Feet.

00:04:19.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:20.000 So you're just riding around the horse popping balloons.

00:04:22.000 I love it.

00:04:25.000 I do.

00:04:26.000 What was the origin of that sport?

00:04:29.000 I don't know, actually.

00:04:30.000 One of my best friends, her name is Kenda Lonsane, and she lives out in Scottsdale.

00:04:34.000 She's like the 10-time world champion.

00:04:36.000 Whoa, whoa, hold on.

00:04:37.000 We became a world championship of popping balloons on a horse.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, it's called mounted shooting and cowboy mounted shooting, but she's cowgirl and she's like, guys, girls, everybody.

00:04:46.000 She's a badass.

00:04:47.000 And I became friends with her, and I just never had the guts to go do it, you know?

00:04:52.000 And finally, my husband was like, stop talking about it and go out there and do it.

00:04:55.000 Go out there and shoot with her.

00:04:56.000 You're going to love it.

00:04:56.000 Wow.

00:04:57.000 And I got addicted immediately.

00:04:58.000 It's just like something different.

00:05:00.000 Well, it's very Wild West, right?

00:05:02.000 It's essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse.

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 That's all it is.

00:05:07.000 Except it's the balloon is the perpetrator.

00:05:09.000 But I mean, that's how you would train.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:05:11.000 Without killing people.

00:05:11.000 Right.

00:05:13.000 And it's like, you know, just something that like started a new hobby at 40.

00:05:18.000 Like it's just try to like preoccupy my mind.

00:05:22.000 And I don't know.

00:05:24.000 I think it inspires me to like take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know?

00:05:29.000 So just like trying new things and saying, what the hell, let's go for it.

00:05:34.000 I think that's very good for artists.

00:05:36.000 I try to talk to comedians about that all the time.

00:05:38.000 I'm like, pick up something, man.

00:05:41.000 Like, hobbies are good.

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.000 Play golf, go fishing, do something.

00:05:45.000 For me, I play pool.

00:05:46.000 Do something.

00:05:47.000 I just started golf too.

00:05:48.000 I mean, my try new things era.

00:05:50.000 Did you try new things?

00:05:52.000 My yes era.

00:05:52.000 Yes.

00:05:53.000 Like, sure, I'll do it.

00:05:55.000 Started golf.

00:05:56.000 Not too great yet, but I did.

00:05:58.000 I just played the Ryder Cup.

00:05:59.000 Oh, nice.

00:06:00.000 They had like a celebrity.

00:06:02.000 Somebody heard I played golf.

00:06:03.000 And when they heard that, I literally started like that day.

00:06:05.000 Jamie's a nut.

00:06:06.000 And I'm a full-on golf nut.

00:06:08.000 Literally was like cramming my ass off like this September because I was on tour all summer and I didn't have time to practice.

00:06:16.000 And you know how that feels?

00:06:17.000 Like golf is, you have to practice.

00:06:20.000 Do you have a coach?

00:06:21.000 I had a coach, yes.

00:06:22.000 Dan, I have a coach, and he came with me as my caddy.

00:06:24.000 Very helpful.

00:06:26.000 But it was, it was an experience.

00:06:28.000 It was a lot of pressure.

00:06:31.000 Did you feel it even though like nobody expected you to win?

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 I mean, I just felt like, what the hell have I done when I got there?

00:06:38.000 It's like doing something you don't do in front of people.

00:06:41.000 Right.

00:06:41.000 A lot of people.

00:06:42.000 You just don't do it a lot.

00:06:42.000 Do it.

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 And I don't, I do things in front of people, but singing.

00:06:47.000 You do sing in front of people and you're really good at it.

00:06:50.000 That's the difference.

00:06:50.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:06:51.000 Doing something that you suck at in front of people is a very scary place to be.

00:06:54.000 Right, right.

00:06:56.000 Jamie has O.J. Simpsons golf clubs.

00:06:59.000 No, a couple of them.

00:07:00.000 Not all of them.

00:07:01.000 I have a few.

00:07:02.000 How many do you have?

00:07:03.000 It's not really awesome at all.

00:07:05.000 They're haunted.

00:07:06.000 Whatever you're into.

00:07:07.000 How many you got?

00:07:08.000 Three?

00:07:09.000 No, I mean, I got a whole set.

00:07:11.000 Do you use them?

00:07:12.000 I use one of them.

00:07:14.000 Did you hit well?

00:07:15.000 I have.

00:07:16.000 That's why I use it.

00:07:18.000 Are they blessed or cursed?

00:07:20.000 Well, he bought it as a goof.

00:07:22.000 Yeah, it's just fun to talk about.

00:07:23.000 It's a fun conversation starter.

00:07:25.000 It came up.

00:07:26.000 Did you get him after he died?

00:07:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:28.000 I mean, I got him like six months ago.

00:07:29.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 I forgot.

00:07:31.000 I forgot when he died.

00:07:32.000 A couple years ago.

00:07:34.000 Well, that's cool.

00:07:34.000 I mean, hey.

00:07:36.000 I guess.

00:07:36.000 But it is really important having some kind of a thing that you do to take your mind off of the business because the people that I know where their mind is only on show business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy.

00:07:49.000 You can eventually get lost in your own little world.

00:07:52.000 You need a little break.

00:07:53.000 You do.

00:07:54.000 And I think it's like, you know, especially if you're like a writer, like, you got to go live to write about it.

00:08:00.000 Or what are you writing about?

00:08:01.000 Same shit you already said.

00:08:02.000 Running.

00:08:03.000 Right.

00:08:03.000 It's like, I need to go live a life and gather information and be around different people and sort of open my circle up to just, I don't know.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, a different environment.

00:08:14.000 Different experiences.

00:08:16.000 My friend Ari does that.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.000 He disappears for like three months every year and a half or so.

00:08:21.000 Like he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email.

00:08:24.000 He like goes off grid.

00:08:25.000 Oh, he goes off grid.

00:08:26.000 He goes to Asia.

00:08:27.000 He backpacks through Asia and he's famous.

00:08:29.000 He's a famous comedian and he doesn't give a fuck.

00:08:31.000 He just goes and vanishes for like, we can't find him.

00:08:34.000 No one knows where he is.

00:08:35.000 I don't hear from him for like three, four months.

00:08:37.000 I just hope he's alive.

00:08:38.000 Does it change him?

00:08:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:40.000 He comes back weird.

00:08:41.000 He's weird already.

00:08:42.000 He's weird as well.

00:08:44.000 He's weirder when he comes back because he's, you know, been living in foreign countries for a long time.

00:08:50.000 Well, I'm not, I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging a golf club.

00:08:53.000 Nothing as cool as that.

00:08:55.000 But the thing you're doing, the thing about both of those things is they require all of your focus while you're doing it.

00:09:01.000 I mean, if you're riding a giant animal while you're shooting a gun, like there's no room for thinking about, oh, I got to do laundry.

00:09:07.000 You know, there's no room.

00:09:08.000 You're just doing that thing only.

00:09:10.000 Yeah.

00:09:11.000 That's what I think I loved about it and got addicted to.

00:09:14.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 You know, and I guess I don't really have, I always say I don't have like an adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I have to have a little bit for joining the circus like I did.

00:09:24.000 You know, like, yes, you do.

00:09:26.000 It's kind of joy to the circus.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:28.000 So, but like, I think that just that little, that, the focus and the little jolt that you get of like, you know, the same kind of high we get like after a show, you know, it's like, I still guess I need that, but just in a different form.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 Joining the rodeo.

00:09:44.000 There's, there's something about shooting at things too.

00:09:48.000 I do archery, and there's something about shooting at things that also just really cleans your mind.

00:09:53.000 Because in that moment while you're pulling a trigger, there's no room for anything else.

00:09:58.000 If you're trying to hit a target, there's no room for anything else.

00:10:01.000 And it just, it pushes all that stuff away.

00:10:03.000 It gives you like a little mental vacation.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:10:07.000 And then you come back like cleaner.

00:10:08.000 What kind of bow are you shooting?

00:10:10.000 I shoot a compound compound.

00:10:11.000 A compound bow.

00:10:12.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 A hoi.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:13.000 I used to shoot bows.

00:10:15.000 I have it a long time, but.

00:10:16.000 Oh, really?

00:10:17.000 I got them back out during 2020 when I had all the time in the world.

00:10:20.000 And my husband's from New York City.

00:10:22.000 So I was like, I've got these bows.

00:10:24.000 I'll teach you how to shoot a bow.

00:10:25.000 So we just set up the targets and got them all fixed up.

00:10:28.000 And it was fun.

00:10:29.000 It's the same thing.

00:10:29.000 I mean, it is fun.

00:10:30.000 I think you're talking about it.

00:10:31.000 It's just focus.

00:10:31.000 It's very similar.

00:10:32.000 It's just, even if it's just for a little while, it's that little moment in time that this is all I'm doing right now.

00:10:38.000 Right.

00:10:39.000 Have you ever bow hunted?

00:10:40.000 I used to be a hunter.

00:10:41.000 Yeah.

00:10:42.000 Yep.

00:10:42.000 I did.

00:10:42.000 I hunted for a long time.

00:10:43.000 My dad.

00:10:44.000 Tree stand?

00:10:45.000 Okay.

00:10:45.000 Yep.

00:10:46.000 Or grown blind either way.

00:10:47.000 Bow hunting was my absolute favorite to do because it took the focus and it was intimate.

00:10:47.000 Right.

00:10:53.000 And it took a lot of skill and practice to make sure you're going to, yeah.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Whitetail.

00:10:59.000 Whitetail?

00:11:00.000 Oh, nice.

00:11:01.000 But I raised a baby deer, a buck.

00:11:04.000 Oh, that's a problem.

00:11:05.000 Yep.

00:11:06.000 That's a problem.

00:11:07.000 So my hunting days are behind me.

00:11:10.000 He sold my heart.

00:11:11.000 We found a buck with a broken leg on our property and my wife took to feeding it.

00:11:16.000 Yeah.

00:11:17.000 And all of her enthusiasm for me hunting kind of went out the way.

00:11:21.000 It changes things.

00:11:22.000 Yeah, because it's kind of like a dog.

00:11:25.000 Like they're like, he was just like a dog.

00:11:28.000 Full-grown wild.

00:11:28.000 They're swift.

00:11:29.000 They're just right up to you.

00:11:30.000 Wild-ass white-tailed deer became like my pet.

00:11:33.000 And it's different than any other feral animal in that they domesticate like that.

00:11:38.000 They really do.

00:11:39.000 Like he was literally, I'd come home and he would run over to me like a dog.

00:11:44.000 So definitely changed my mind.

00:11:47.000 Well, I think it's because they're dumb, unfortunately.

00:11:51.000 I think nature has them set up to be not very intelligent and just food.

00:11:56.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 You know, and he's a beautiful food thing.

00:12:00.000 Yeah.

00:12:00.000 That's really what they are.

00:12:01.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 My dad, my dad, I grew up hunting with him, like taught me how to shoot a gun, all that stuff at 17.

00:12:07.000 And when I raised that buck, he was like, it's over, isn't it?

00:12:10.000 Yeah, it's over.

00:12:12.000 It's over.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, I'll never raise a baby elk.

00:12:15.000 I'll tell you that.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, don't do it.

00:12:16.000 I'm not sure elf hunting too much.

00:12:18.000 But I get it.

00:12:19.000 I mean, we have deer in our neighborhood, and I see these little cute babies that are born every year.

00:12:23.000 And, you know, we stop the car.

00:12:24.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:26.000 Especially in Texas.

00:12:27.000 They're everywhere.

00:12:28.000 Yeah.

00:12:28.000 Everywhere.

00:12:29.000 And there's not any predators out here because you just shoot them.

00:12:29.000 Yep.

00:12:33.000 So there's like these deer are all over the place and they're just super, unless they get hit by a car.

00:12:33.000 Yeah.

00:12:37.000 I don't know what happens.

00:12:38.000 They're like not affected anymore.

00:12:41.000 No, no.

00:12:43.000 But they are beautiful.

00:12:44.000 And it's just, it's cool to have animals around.

00:12:47.000 Just, it's cool to be at least in some kind of form of nature.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 I'm such an animal lover.

00:12:54.000 I mean, I don't do well.

00:12:56.000 Like, that's why I brought your dog toys.

00:12:58.000 I'm like, I just, I just, I don't know.

00:13:00.000 It's part of like who I am is to have, especially dogs.

00:13:03.000 Like that's my heart.

00:13:04.000 But me too.

00:13:06.000 I have a foundation called Mutt Nation Foundation.

00:13:08.000 I started with my mom in 2009.

00:13:10.000 And so far, we've raised over $11 million since then.

00:13:14.000 It was like a little mom and pop operation back in the day.

00:13:17.000 But we just, it just has been my heart since I was a little girl.

00:13:20.000 I think growing up in the country where there's just animals everywhere, whether it's deer or stray dogs or stray cats or whatever, I think it just kind of prepped me for, you know, when you like get a platform and someone's like, what do you want your charity to be?

00:13:35.000 It's like, oh, I know what it's going to be.

00:13:37.000 So what does your charity do?

00:13:38.000 We rescue.

00:13:39.000 Well, we advocate for rescue.

00:13:41.000 Mutt Nation Foundation, we don't have shelters.

00:13:44.000 We lift up the arms of shelters is what we say because we, my mom and dad were private investigators my whole life.

00:13:50.000 And so my mom, like, just because we started rescuing dogs just when I was a little girl, you know, you live in the country, people dump them off and whatever.

00:13:59.000 Started adopting some from the shelter as a teenager and volunteering.

00:14:02.000 And so, you know, she sort of started vetting shelters just because that's her background, you know, checking up on people to make sure they're doing what they're supposed to do.

00:14:12.000 And so like 2009, it was like, oh, I kind of started to get a name for myself.

00:14:17.000 And you need to pick something that you're passionate about that you want to give back to.

00:14:21.000 So we started it.

00:14:23.000 And basically, we advocate for spay and neuter.

00:14:25.000 We advocate for adopt don't shop and we raise money to give to shelters all over the country.

00:14:32.000 Every year we give a $5,000 grant to a shelter in every state and try to not repeat.

00:14:39.000 So there's just so many that need help, you know, and there's so many amazing animals out there.

00:14:44.000 We just try to remind people there's amazing animals out there that you don't have to go buy one.

00:14:50.000 If my wife is allergic and one of my daughters are allergic.

00:14:54.000 We still have two dogs.

00:14:55.000 But if that wasn't the case, I'd have like 50 dogs.

00:15:00.000 But yours are not non-shedders.

00:15:02.000 Yours are shedders, though, right?

00:15:02.000 What's up?

00:15:04.000 Yeah, they shed.

00:15:05.000 Yeah.

00:15:06.000 You just keep them clean.

00:15:07.000 She's not nearly as bad as when I first met her.

00:15:11.000 When I first met her, she really would get hives if she pet the dogs.

00:15:14.000 But also, I was not that good at washing my dogs.

00:15:17.000 And they're always in the yard playing around and they're always dirty.

00:15:21.000 Yep.

00:15:21.000 But if you don't have dogs, dogs are like extra love.

00:15:25.000 Your love in your life will be whatever the level's at now, it'll be like 35% high.

00:15:30.000 I hundred percent agree.

00:15:31.000 For sure.

00:15:32.000 I'm allergic to everything I love.

00:15:33.000 Horses, cats, dogs.

00:15:34.000 You're allergic to horses?

00:15:35.000 All of it.

00:15:37.000 I live on Allegra.

00:15:39.000 Wow.

00:15:40.000 I'm just like popping Allegra to enjoy my life, but I don't care.

00:15:42.000 It's worth it.

00:15:43.000 One of my daughters is so allergic that we went to Rome once and we were on this horse-driven, they have like those tourist things you do.

00:15:52.000 You sit in the back of a wagon, the horse drags around the city.

00:15:55.000 And just being downwind of the horse, her eyes were swelling up.

00:15:59.000 We had to get off the horse and walk the rest of the way.

00:16:02.000 And we had to find a pharmacy.

00:16:04.000 She's terrible.

00:16:04.000 Oh, it's bad.

00:16:06.000 She's got it bad.

00:16:07.000 Did she do shots or anything?

00:16:08.000 She did that.

00:16:09.000 She did the whole thing, but they hated it.

00:16:12.000 And when my wife stopped doing shots, then all of her allergies got way better.

00:16:16.000 And she was doing shots because Texas has a lot of allergens.

00:16:20.000 A lot of people that come from places like California, you don't realize it.

00:16:23.000 You come here and then you get whammied with like – I was sneezing all the way over here because I just landed.

00:16:30.000 You get them too?

00:16:30.000 You can't.

00:16:31.000 You get them too?

00:16:32.000 I was like, I live in Nashville half the time and Austin half the time.

00:16:36.000 And it's like the two of the worst places for allergies.

00:16:40.000 I'm like, oh, are they really?

00:16:41.000 Yeah.

00:16:42.000 Oh, it doesn't matter.

00:16:43.000 I didn't know that Austin was that bad.

00:16:45.000 And I didn't get them at all until really probably last year I started getting them.

00:16:48.000 How long have y'all been here?

00:16:49.000 Five years.

00:16:50.000 Almost six.

00:16:51.000 So like, no, five.

00:16:53.000 So like last year I started getting sore throats and I was like, am I getting sick?

00:16:57.000 What the fuck is going on?

00:16:58.000 Then I went to Vegas for the UFC.

00:17:00.000 No sore throat.

00:17:01.000 Or five.

00:17:02.000 Came back sore throat again.

00:17:03.000 I'm like, oh, damn it.

00:17:04.000 It's just an allergy.

00:17:05.000 It's an irritation.

00:17:07.000 Because it didn't make any sense.

00:17:08.000 I was like, I feel good.

00:17:10.000 I feel like really healthy.

00:17:11.000 But like this thing in my throat's bugging me.

00:17:14.000 I'm like, maybe I just got to be careful.

00:17:16.000 Maybe I'm fighting off a cold.

00:17:17.000 Because I didn't want to admit it.

00:17:19.000 I was like, everybody else is getting allergies.

00:17:20.000 I'm not getting it all.

00:17:21.000 And it makes sense if you're not used to the trees and the grass here.

00:17:24.000 I mean, it's like, it's a whole new ecosystem that you have to get used to.

00:17:29.000 But the weird thing, they say it takes like three years before it hits you.

00:17:32.000 And I was like, shut up.

00:17:33.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:17:34.000 But it's true.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:17:36.000 Seems to be true.

00:17:38.000 Seems to get you after like three years.

00:17:39.000 So what do you do about it?

00:17:40.000 Nothing.

00:17:41.000 Just deal with it.

00:17:42.000 I feel my body's going to adapt.

00:17:44.000 I feel like if I just let my body deal with whatever these allergens are and understand what they are, it'll figure it out.

00:17:50.000 I took a lot of vitamins.

00:17:51.000 It'll be fine.

00:17:52.000 And it seems to be better.

00:17:54.000 Like this year I got like a couple sniffles a few days in a row where I was like thinking I had a cold and then I realized it was high something mold or fucking cedar or whatever the hell it is.

00:18:05.000 You just didn't have to pay attention to it before.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:18:08.000 But whatever that is, all the positives about living here like greatly outweigh it.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 I love it too.

00:18:16.000 This place rolls.

00:18:17.000 I'm glad y'all are here.

00:18:17.000 It does.

00:18:18.000 You came in 2020 then, right?

00:18:20.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 Yep.

00:18:21.000 Yep.

00:18:21.000 My little brother lives here and his husband, Mark, and he went to UT and never came home.

00:18:26.000 Our little town, Lindale Texas, represented today.

00:18:28.000 Nice.

00:18:29.000 It's about 80 miles east of Dallas.

00:18:31.000 And so I bought a place here in 2017 and spent a lot of time in Austin.

00:18:36.000 It's great.

00:18:37.000 It's a great town.

00:18:38.000 I mean, we should probably stop talking about how great it is because people want to move here.

00:18:42.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 It's not that great.

00:18:43.000 There's a lot of allergies, guys.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, guys, stay home.

00:18:45.000 Don't sneeze.

00:18:46.000 I talked to a lot of people in a movie here, and I think I'm done talking to people.

00:18:49.000 It's like, we're good.

00:18:51.000 Well, Nashville is our other city that that's happened into, but it's more of the merrier, really.

00:18:56.000 Well, the thing about Austin is like, it wasn't really much of a comedy scene.

00:19:00.000 There was one comedy club that closed before I moved here.

00:19:04.000 It had already closed like before the pandemic.

00:19:07.000 And I guess like at the beginning of the pandemic, it went under.

00:19:11.000 And so the comedy scene here was kind of empty.

00:19:14.000 And, you know, when we moved here and we started doing shows here, it was one of the only places in the country where you could do live indoor shows.

00:19:20.000 And we were like, fuck it.

00:19:22.000 And then comedians just started moving here because they were convinced that LA was never going to open.

00:19:26.000 And once I was here and Ron White was here, Tony Hinchcliffe was here.

00:19:31.000 Everybody was like, well, let's fuck it.

00:19:33.000 I want to live.

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00:21:08.000 That's great.

00:21:10.000 My first show back, I think it was after like 332 days of no shows, no bus rides.

00:21:18.000 What did it feel?

00:21:19.000 Crazy.

00:21:19.000 It was at Billy Bob's in Fort Words because like you said, Texas was like, what, COVID?

00:21:25.000 We're going to go do stuff.

00:21:26.000 We're going to honk you talk right now.

00:21:28.000 So it was, we did a little residency at Billy Bob's.

00:21:31.000 Nice.

00:21:32.000 We did five shows.

00:21:33.000 And I've had it.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, I mean, but I had it before.

00:21:37.000 I had it before we even knew what it was.

00:21:38.000 It's on the road.

00:21:39.000 Like, I was around so many people.

00:21:41.000 I was on tour.

00:21:42.000 And before we knew what it was, I had this thing like none of my tricks worked with.

00:21:47.000 Like all my singer tricks, like stereo shot, B12, IVE, vocal rest, like just couldn't shake it.

00:21:54.000 And then a month later, it's like, oh, that's because it's something real bad we've never heard of.

00:22:00.000 I had to cancel shows the terrible.

00:22:02.000 But the show, first show back was, I had five in a row, but the first one was like just rowdy and like so old school, honky tonk feeling.

00:22:10.000 And like I was crying.

00:22:12.000 It was just, it was a cool moment.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, it feels weird, right?

00:22:15.000 It was good to miss it, though.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:22:18.000 It was really good to miss it.

00:22:20.000 I, you know, I never had a chance to.

00:22:23.000 I never stopped.

00:22:24.000 Country music, especially, like, we just don't, we just tour around weekend warriors, make a record, tour it for two years, do it again, repeat, rinse, repeat.

00:22:32.000 And I've been doing this since I was 17.

00:22:34.000 So like just years and years of not knowing if I could miss it, just, you know, grinding.

00:22:41.000 And I did.

00:22:42.000 I mean, I was like, dang, I miss my bus.

00:22:45.000 I miss the road, which I wasn't sure would happen.

00:22:49.000 Right.

00:22:50.000 It's so degrading.

00:22:52.000 It is.

00:22:52.000 It's hard.

00:22:53.000 And so, yeah, I was happy to be back.

00:22:57.000 But now it's back harder than ever.

00:23:00.000 It's like just, you know, it's a different, it hits different after 40.

00:23:05.000 You don't recover as quickly.

00:23:07.000 Do you do you ever like carve out vacation times?

00:23:10.000 Like say like for the month of December, I'm not doing shit.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, that's the winter.

00:23:15.000 Like last year, I went to Arizona.

00:23:18.000 I went to Phoenix area and rode with all those cowgirls shooting guns off horses.

00:23:23.000 And I was like, and I was just so rejuvenated and refreshed.

00:23:26.000 And I was like, I need to make that a priority.

00:23:29.000 Like, I just think none of us are good at that.

00:23:31.000 If you're really driven and really goal-oriented and like you are, I mean, I have to like make myself, and then I'll go and say, well, they're working me to death.

00:23:41.000 They is me.

00:23:42.000 I'm the one adding shit to my calendar.

00:23:44.000 That is me.

00:23:45.000 My husband's like, you said you were going to be off this week.

00:23:49.000 Well, I had this one.

00:23:50.000 It's like, so I really am making like the priority to like take some winter months.

00:23:54.000 And, you know, because we start touring in the spring and don't stop till the winter again.

00:23:58.000 So I feel like it's, you know, it's important.

00:24:02.000 It's intelligent, right?

00:24:04.000 It's an intelligent thing to do, to give yourself a forced vacation, some sort of a break.

00:24:10.000 So that just think of your creativity as like a battery.

00:24:13.000 You can't run your phone until it's got zero.

00:24:16.000 You got to charge it.

00:24:17.000 So stick it in the cable, put it into the wall, let it charge for a little while.

00:24:22.000 Like, you got to think about it that way.

00:24:25.000 What do you do for your chill time?

00:24:28.000 I don't do a lot of chilling.

00:24:29.000 Well, I don't think so.

00:24:30.000 I just do other stuff.

00:24:33.000 I was like, I feel like you're preaching to the choir.

00:24:33.000 Same.

00:24:36.000 Yeah.

00:24:36.000 I mean, I watch TV.

00:24:38.000 I like to watch documentaries and stuff.

00:24:40.000 And I watch fights and I watch YouTube videos.

00:24:43.000 But I can't do it much.

00:24:47.000 Or I just don't like that feeling.

00:24:49.000 I feel like I'm wasting time.

00:24:50.000 So I have to keep myself off.

00:24:51.000 To do other things.

00:24:53.000 It's like I'm not just, you know, going out there to chill out on the couch.

00:24:53.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:24:58.000 I'm like, I'm in the desert doing something physical.

00:25:01.000 Also, like musicians are like, our life isn't that physical.

00:25:07.000 Like, we don't, it's kind of a, as far as like activity.

00:25:10.000 Like, we, if we're writing songs, we're sitting around writing songs.

00:25:12.000 We're sitting around practicing.

00:25:14.000 We're just standing there, you know, until the show part.

00:25:17.000 So like, I have to make sure I like what my hobbies should be active.

00:25:21.000 You know, sure.

00:25:21.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 Just and also do something that like active stuff stimulates your mind more.

00:25:29.000 And I think active stuff would probably aid in your writing more, right?

00:25:33.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:25:34.000 I think so.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:35.000 It has to.

00:25:36.000 I mean, it just makes sense.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 It's when you, when you sit down to write, do you like sit down and write in front of a computer?

00:25:45.000 Do you wait till an idea comes to you?

00:25:46.000 Do you write on a piece of paper?

00:25:48.000 How do you all of it?

00:25:51.000 Usually, like, I love to co-write, write by myself.

00:25:54.000 I'm not good at it.

00:25:55.000 I encourage it for any artists I'm mentoring or anything else, but I need to do it myself more.

00:26:02.000 Because co-writing is fun.

00:26:03.000 You're like hanging around with.

00:26:04.000 Which I met you actually at one of my favorite writers, Benefit, Jack Ingram.

00:26:10.000 Him and John Randall is my other best friend and I, which I think you met him too.

00:26:15.000 We have a little side project we call the Marfa Tapes, and we would go out to the desert in Marfa, and which is.

00:26:21.000 Have you been there yet?

00:26:22.000 It is like a different world.

00:26:22.000 No, I haven't.

00:26:24.000 That's what Rick Rubin says.

00:26:26.000 It is a different, literal, different world.

00:26:28.000 And there's so like it's magical.

00:26:30.000 I don't know what's in the air out there.

00:26:32.000 How far is the drive?

00:26:33.000 It's like far from here.

00:26:35.000 About six and a half.

00:26:36.000 Six and a half.

00:26:36.000 Dude, is that coffee?

00:26:37.000 Yeah, you want some?

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 Anyway, like, we'll sit around and JR is an amazing guitar player.

00:26:44.000 Cheers.

00:26:45.000 Thank you.

00:26:46.000 He'll come up with like a riff or somebody has a title.

00:26:49.000 That's why I like co-writing.

00:26:50.000 I don't know.

00:26:51.000 It's more fun to celebrate it with your friends.

00:26:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:26:54.000 I mean, some of the best ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up in the green room because we're just riffing.

00:27:00.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 Like, there's always a moment where we're hanging around and Tony will say something.

00:27:04.000 We're like, dude, write that down.

00:27:05.000 Same thing.

00:27:05.000 Write that down.

00:27:06.000 It's the exact same thing.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 Well, it's like, you know, creativity is interesting because you want to be inspired and you're never more inspired than you are around other creative people.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 Especially people that are better than you.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:27:23.000 Right?

00:27:24.000 It's like, I'm like, oh, you're a really great writer and great musician.

00:27:27.000 We should be friends.

00:27:30.000 I need to learn from you and you make me look cool.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, and it kicks up your desire to do better a notch.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 Especially like, too, I've been working with younger artists.

00:27:40.000 And I love seeing their fire.

00:27:42.000 Like they're like racehorses at the gate.

00:27:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:47.000 And it reminds me of how that felt and reminds me to find my moments where I feel that way too.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:27:55.000 Yeah, I feel the same way about working with young comedians.

00:27:57.000 It's important.

00:27:59.000 It's good.

00:27:59.000 It's also, it's like great to see the sparkle in their eye when they do like their first big crowd.

00:28:04.000 You know, like, come on, man.

00:28:06.000 This is just like a regular club.

00:28:08.000 Give me some knuckles.

00:28:08.000 Go out there.

00:28:09.000 Right.

00:28:10.000 And you see them, watch them kill in front of thousands of people and they come back like, whoa.

00:28:14.000 And you're like, uh-oh, now you got the bug.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, now you got, well, they had the bug already, but it's like you get to feel it.

00:28:20.000 I get to feel it again for the first time.

00:28:22.000 I've done it so many times.

00:28:23.000 It's almost kind of normal.

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 Which it never should be normal.

00:28:27.000 And you get to see somebody else experience like the jolt of like what it feels like that spotlight in your face and all those people in the crowd.

00:28:33.000 And it's exciting.

00:28:34.000 And it's good.

00:28:34.000 It is.

00:28:35.000 It's like, it's a reminder.

00:28:37.000 You know, I think it's so important.

00:28:39.000 And people like, do the people ask you this?

00:28:42.000 Like, do you get nervous?

00:28:43.000 Like, I get, I don't get nervous.

00:28:47.000 Like, I get anticipation.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, that's a great word.

00:28:51.000 I don't know.

00:28:52.000 I'm going to start saying that because I was like, I don't really have an answer because I care and I want to do well.

00:28:56.000 And I get like this, it's anticipation.

00:28:58.000 It's not nerves per se.

00:29:00.000 I think once you stop feeling something, really, you're doing the wrong thing.

00:29:05.000 No matter what it is.

00:29:06.000 I'm sure you feel that whenever you get on one of those horses with a gun in your hand.

00:29:10.000 Yeah.

00:29:11.000 You haven't stopped feeling anything yet.

00:29:13.000 This is crazy.

00:29:17.000 I'm still feeling all those feels for a while.

00:29:20.000 I'm sure.

00:29:21.000 I don't know if that'll ever go away, right?

00:29:23.000 Because, you know, you're not in control of the horse.

00:29:26.000 No, it's not up to you.

00:29:27.000 And I think that's why I like it.

00:29:28.000 It's because I've grown to trust me in my gig.

00:29:32.000 Like, I trust me.

00:29:33.000 I trust my band.

00:29:35.000 But mostly it's up to me.

00:29:36.000 Like, I'm the one standing there in front of the microphone.

00:29:38.000 And I know my capabilities and I know what I can deliver on a hobby like golf.

00:29:46.000 I'm like, I don't know what the hell is about to happen when I swing this clock.

00:29:50.000 This is not up to me.

00:29:52.000 This little time of a bitch isn't moving and I can't hit it.

00:29:57.000 It's just like, I don't know.

00:29:59.000 And the same thing with the horse.

00:30:00.000 It's like up to my horse.

00:30:01.000 It's not up to me.

00:30:02.000 I can aim and I can have the skill and be learning how to ride, but it's about him, you know?

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 For sure.

00:30:08.000 Something's cool.

00:30:10.000 That's his name?

00:30:10.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 With a K or a C?

00:30:12.000 It's a C. He's cool.

00:30:14.000 That's a great Morris Day in the Time song.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 You never heard that song?

00:30:18.000 Oh, it's a great song.

00:30:18.000 Cool?

00:30:19.000 I need to hear it.

00:30:20.000 We have a theme song.

00:30:21.000 I didn't know it.

00:30:22.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 We'll give her some of that.

00:30:24.000 We'll have to cut this out.

00:30:25.000 Otherwise, we'll get removed from YouTube.

00:30:27.000 But play Morris Day in the Time.

00:30:28.000 Cool.

00:30:29.000 This is like during the Prince days.

00:30:32.000 Morris Day in the Time, I think, is like one of the most underappreciated bands from that era, from like the early 90s, because they got kind of eclipsed by Prince.

00:30:41.000 Yeah.

00:30:42.000 You know, because they were hanging around with Prince and they were part of like the whole Prince.

00:30:46.000 I don't know anything about Prince.

00:30:47.000 You don't know about Morris Day in the Times?

00:30:49.000 Oh, my God.

00:30:49.000 I don't.

00:30:50.000 Play Cool by Morris Day in the Times.

00:30:53.000 I'm making sure it's the right one.

00:30:55.000 I got a version that says it's just Morris Day, and then another version popped up that said it was just the time.

00:31:00.000 So maybe go to it.

00:31:01.000 Either way, it's always going to be Morris Day singing.

00:31:04.000 I don't think the Time ever played without Morris.

00:31:07.000 Morris is cool as fuck, though.

00:31:10.000 Here it is.

00:31:11.000 All right, we'll edit this out.

00:31:13.000 For people at home, sorry, go find this.

00:31:16.000 Awesome.

00:31:17.000 Look at the clothes.

00:31:18.000 Oh, it's so corny.

00:31:19.000 It's so great.

00:31:20.000 It's so like.

00:31:21.000 What year was that?

00:31:23.000 I don't know.

00:31:24.000 It's got to be early 90s, right?

00:31:26.000 91?

00:31:27.000 81.

00:31:27.000 81!

00:31:28.000 80 day.

00:31:29.000 Wow.

00:31:29.000 I wasn't even born on the earth.

00:31:31.000 Oh, that's crazy.

00:31:33.000 1981.

00:31:34.000 Wow.

00:31:34.000 I was a freshman in high school.

00:31:36.000 I'm an 83 baby.

00:31:38.000 I was in my junior year or sophomore year.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, I was a freshman in high school back then.

00:31:43.000 That's crazy.

00:31:46.000 Wow.

00:31:46.000 It was a weird time back then because Prince was so big that there was like a bunch of fake princes.

00:31:52.000 Like people started imitating Prince.

00:31:54.000 It's almost like a lot of people.

00:31:55.000 That's always what happens.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, men become androgynous.

00:31:59.000 There's one and then they're like, oh, let's all be like that one.

00:32:01.000 So there's 20 more that aren't as good.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of fake Michael Jacksons, I'm sure.

00:32:04.000 I know.

00:32:07.000 There was a bunch of people that just tried to do something.

00:32:10.000 Like, what is he?

00:32:11.000 How, what's that guy doing?

00:32:12.000 You know?

00:32:13.000 And with Prince, it was like, what is this?

00:32:15.000 What's happening here?

00:32:16.000 Very, like, very uniquely authentic.

00:32:20.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 Authentically himself.

00:32:22.000 So even that was like trying to be too close, probably.

00:32:26.000 A little bit.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:28.000 That's the problem.

00:32:28.000 Not as good.

00:32:29.000 You're not as good as Prince.

00:32:30.000 You're awesome.

00:32:31.000 You're great.

00:32:32.000 But Prince is like a once-in-a-generation superstar weirdo talent from Mars.

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:38.000 Exactly.

00:32:39.000 There are those.

00:32:39.000 There's some that just aren't from here.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 Right.

00:32:42.000 That guy was just different than everybody.

00:32:44.000 You know, I remember I was delivering newspapers when I first heard a Prince song.

00:32:50.000 And I was like, this is crazy.

00:32:51.000 Like, who is this guy?

00:32:53.000 It was, I want to be your lover.

00:32:55.000 Do you remember that?

00:32:55.000 Oh, that fucking song.

00:32:57.000 And it was like, this is a guy singing like a girl on stage.

00:33:02.000 He's like three feet tall and all the women want to fuck him.

00:33:04.000 I'm like, this is nuts.

00:33:06.000 I've never seen anything like this in my life.

00:33:08.000 What's happening?

00:33:09.000 Like, what did this guy do?

00:33:10.000 This guy's a sorcerer.

00:33:11.000 Like, what?

00:33:12.000 He was so talented that he could wear stilettos on stage and no one cared.

00:33:17.000 No one cared.

00:33:18.000 And it wasn't like, boo, what are you dressing like a girl?

00:33:22.000 No one gave a fuck.

00:33:23.000 He was so good and so there's something about the magnetic personality that he had.

00:33:29.000 That was like the charisma that he had was like so undeniable that everybody was like, holy shit, what is this?

00:33:35.000 That's not taught.

00:33:37.000 That's innate.

00:33:38.000 You're born with that.

00:33:39.000 You can't teach Prince.

00:33:40.000 How do you teach that?

00:33:41.000 No, you don't.

00:33:43.000 Like, you grew up in Jersey, right?

00:33:45.000 I was born in New Jersey.

00:33:46.000 But I only lived there until six.

00:33:46.000 I was born in Jersey.

00:33:48.000 Where'd you grow up?

00:33:49.000 I grew up everywhere.

00:33:50.000 I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11.

00:33:53.000 I lived in Gainesville, Florida from 11 to 13.

00:33:57.000 Lots of moving.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, a lot of moving.

00:33:59.000 Then I lived in Boston from 13 to 24.

00:34:01.000 Then I lived in New York.

00:34:03.000 New York for 60.

00:34:04.000 No, I couldn't afford parking, so I had to live outside the city because I'm a comedian.

00:34:10.000 I had to drive everywhere.

00:34:11.000 I had a lot of road gigs.

00:34:12.000 That's where I made my money.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 So to drive to Connecticut and Rhode Island, like in the city, it was like a parking spot was hundreds of dollars a month back then.

00:34:21.000 So I lived in New Rochelle.

00:34:22.000 Okay, cool.

00:34:23.000 My husband was NYPD.

00:34:26.000 He retired after eight years, but because I drove him down to Tennessee and now Texas.

00:34:30.000 And now he says, y'all.

00:34:30.000 Nice.

00:34:31.000 Does he?

00:34:32.000 He says, y'all, unironically.

00:34:34.000 How long has he been there?

00:34:35.000 We've been married seven years.

00:34:37.000 Okay, after five.

00:34:38.000 Yeah, it kind of sticks.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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00:36:10.000 But I got to live up there when we first got married.

00:36:14.000 We had an apartment Soho, and I'm from like BFE, Lindell, Texas.

00:36:18.000 Like, you know, Dallas is our biggest city and it's 80 miles.

00:36:24.000 So I had so much fun.

00:36:25.000 Like, I just, he was still a cop, so I just wandered around all day.

00:36:28.000 Like, I had gigs on the weekends, but like Monday through Wednesday, I'm just like desperate housewives of Soho running around and like going to rock clubs by myself and having lunch by myself and having wine, meet people.

00:36:41.000 And it's just, it's a city that like nobody cares who you are at all.

00:36:45.000 They're just like it's an amazing city.

00:36:48.000 It's amazing.

00:36:48.000 They're like, if you like cities.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:51.000 I mean, I like visiting.

00:36:52.000 Six months was, I got my fill.

00:36:54.000 I love it.

00:36:55.000 We're there a ton because his family's still there.

00:36:58.000 But I just enjoyed like really immersing because I'd never done that.

00:37:03.000 And I'm not really a city girl, but I was like, I'm just going to use every bit of this that I can.

00:37:08.000 Wrote some great songs, like wrote one called Fire Escape.

00:37:10.000 I didn't even know what that was before.

00:37:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:13.000 Like, what's Fire Escape?

00:37:15.000 You used to walk out the door.

00:37:18.000 You know, so it was, it was cool.

00:37:20.000 It was a cool time.

00:37:21.000 But well, that would be a great place to like rewire your brain creatively to write stuff.

00:37:26.000 Because you're forced in a totally different environment.

00:37:29.000 Yeah.

00:37:29.000 In the weirdest environment on earth, in my opinion.

00:37:32.000 I think the weirdest environment on earth for human beings is when they're stacked on top of each other in cities.

00:37:36.000 Yeah.

00:37:37.000 Because I don't think that's normal at all.

00:37:38.000 No, it's not.

00:37:39.000 I think your whole body just goes, whoa, like you're always at three or four all day long.

00:37:44.000 Always never at zero.

00:37:46.000 Yes.

00:37:46.000 My husband just now, like we literally talked about yesterday.

00:37:49.000 I was like, you are finally like at a regulated nervous system level.

00:37:57.000 Because it just, I think he was just used to like, just you have to vibrate at a different energy, especially if you're a police officer.

00:38:03.000 Like that's a whole different, you know what I mean?

00:38:06.000 And so finally, like we have a farm in Tennessee and we are there for like a couple days this week and just chilling, making cookies and being normal.

00:38:15.000 And it's like, he's finally like enjoying that.

00:38:17.000 Because even when I had my little time in New York City, I was like, this is a lot of, like, I couldn't do this 24-7 for long periods of time because I just can't come down and like ground myself.

00:38:29.000 I need to touch grass.

00:38:29.000 Right.

00:38:31.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:38:33.000 Being a cop in New York City has got to be like one of the most stressful jobs in the history of the world.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:38:39.000 That's, I mean, that's right up there, like, below being a soldier in war, like being a cop.

00:38:44.000 I mean, I have friends that are cops or that were cops that will tell you that the people that are working in the field, like as police officers and they're going and seeing things on a daily basis, they're seeing way more carnage, way more fucked up things than these guys who had served.

00:39:03.000 They were both, they did both.

00:39:05.000 They were like, I saw way more as a cop than I ever did as an officer.

00:39:08.000 That makes sense.

00:39:09.000 It's a lot.

00:39:10.000 I mean, his whole family, police officers, my whole family is firemen and police officers too.

00:39:14.000 So I think that was kind of our bond, anyways.

00:39:17.000 It's kind of we grew up exactly the same, just in different parts of the country.

00:39:20.000 But well, I was around a lot of cops when I was a kid because of martial arts.

00:39:24.000 We were always training with cops.

00:39:26.000 And, you know, I'd listen to stories that they would tell me about things that they got into.

00:39:30.000 And they were getting into things like that on a daily basis.

00:39:33.000 There was always shootouts.

00:39:34.000 There was always car wrecks.

00:39:35.000 There was always murders and domestic violence cases.

00:39:39.000 And just like, man, how many of those guys are just walking around with severe PTSD and no one cares?

00:39:46.000 No one respects it.

00:39:47.000 No one's talking about it.

00:39:48.000 They're just, you know, I think that they don't even acknowledge it themselves.

00:39:52.000 Like, I know my dad worked Vice in Dallas for his whole career.

00:39:56.000 Woof.

00:39:57.000 And back in the day, like, and my husband, like, they just don't, and then they just come home and, like, you know.

00:40:03.000 I'd kill my hearing aids, too.

00:40:06.000 He's like, the dog ate it.

00:40:08.000 I guarantee you that he just turned it over.

00:40:09.000 Set it to put peanut butter on that fucking thing.

00:40:12.000 Good job, Rick Lambert.

00:40:14.000 We know what you did now.

00:40:16.000 He put peanut butter on it.

00:40:18.000 That's just wrong.

00:40:19.000 It's just wrong so many ways.

00:40:22.000 Yeah, man.

00:40:23.000 He probably needed peace and quiet.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, he needs mom to hush.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, everybody.

00:40:27.000 Shut the fucking world off.

00:40:29.000 You know, one of the greatest pool players, if not the greatest pool player of all time, is deaf.

00:40:33.000 There's a guy named Shane Van Boeen.

00:40:35.000 And he shuts his hearing aid off when he plays.

00:40:35.000 Really?

00:40:38.000 So it's just silent.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, just fuck off.

00:40:40.000 World.

00:40:40.000 And he's just in his, like, people could be screaming in the crowd.

00:40:43.000 He doesn't hear shit.

00:40:44.000 What is it about pool?

00:40:45.000 Like, what's the, what you said, you play pool.

00:40:48.000 I've been playing pool for 35 years.

00:40:48.000 You like it?

00:40:50.000 Yeah, I've been playing forever.

00:40:51.000 But what is it about that particular game?

00:40:54.000 Because the balls don't give a fuck who you are.

00:40:58.000 They don't care what you think you are.

00:41:00.000 They don't care who you know, how much money you have, you know, what you've accomplished already, how many shots you've already made.

00:41:07.000 The balls don't care.

00:41:08.000 The pockets are four and a quarter inches wide, and if you don't hit it perfect, it doesn't go in.

00:41:14.000 And it requires all of your concentration.

00:41:16.000 And if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with like English.

00:41:21.000 So you're dealing with like spin on the cue ball left and right.

00:41:25.000 And you're dealing with draw and follow.

00:41:27.000 It's a dance of the mind and these orbs.

00:41:31.000 You're hitting a ball into another ball and trying to get that thing to go straight.

00:41:36.000 And it just requires this complete harmony of hand-eye coordination and your spirit.

00:41:44.000 Like you have to like stay calm while you're doing it.

00:41:47.000 That's why.

00:41:49.000 That's a very good explanation of that.

00:41:51.000 I'm the worst pool player of all.

00:41:53.000 I mean, you would think, like, playing as many honky tonks as I have played, that I could play pool.

00:42:00.000 Most people that think they could play pool can't play pool.

00:42:04.000 Most people don't know really how to play pool.

00:42:06.000 Like back in my day, it was like just a place to flirt.

00:42:10.000 Yeah, it's that.

00:42:11.000 It's that.

00:42:12.000 The thing about pool is once you get down the road and you start to understand, you really start getting the game and understanding it.

00:42:19.000 And then playing in tournaments and then gambling, then you're dealing with like real pool players.

00:42:24.000 And these real pool players play pool eight hours a day.

00:42:27.000 Wow.

00:42:28.000 Every day.

00:42:28.000 You have to.

00:42:29.000 Because you know how the thing of like being comfortable on stage or being comfortable riding a horse or being comfortable like shooting a bow or playing golf, multiply that times 100 and you have pool.

00:42:41.000 Because pool's the only game where you take a stick and you hit a ball into another ball.

00:42:47.000 Every other game, you hit a ball.

00:42:49.000 You just hit a ball with a stick.

00:42:51.000 But in pool, you're hitting a ball into a ball and controlling the movement of both balls.

00:42:58.000 Like the one that's hitting the ball, you're controlling how it spins off to get perfect position on the next shot.

00:43:04.000 And then the other one, you want to make sure it gets the exact right angle to go into the pocket while you're calculating all this spin and the geometry of the table and avoiding collisions.

00:43:15.000 It's maddening.

00:43:16.000 Like, I just got anxiety.

00:43:18.000 It's got stressed down.

00:43:18.000 It's madness.

00:43:19.000 It'll drive you crazy.

00:43:20.000 It's a game that will drive you crazy.

00:43:23.000 But when you catch it, there's a thing called being in stroke and being in dead stroke.

00:43:29.000 It's a rare thing.

00:43:31.000 It happens like, you know, once a month or something like that, where you just can't miss.

00:43:37.000 Well, you know where everything is.

00:43:39.000 And it's this like calm that comes over.

00:43:42.000 Like the world dissolves and all you feel is the table.

00:43:49.000 And you're completely in sync with the movement of the balls.

00:43:53.000 You know how many revolutions each ball is going to make.

00:43:56.000 You feel the difference between two extra revolutions.

00:44:00.000 Like you know, how hard to hit it exactly.

00:44:04.000 And that's what everybody's chasing.

00:44:06.000 They're chasing this feeling of being why does it happen once a month?

00:44:09.000 Because it's so hard to get there.

00:44:11.000 You'd probably get, I'd probably get there all the time if I played like a pro, like eight hours a day.

00:44:15.000 You probably get there once a week.

00:44:16.000 But nobody stays there.

00:44:18.000 But that's probably the draw that keeps you coming back.

00:44:20.000 Yeah.

00:44:21.000 Dudes do drugs just so they can get there.

00:44:23.000 They get hooked on pills.

00:44:25.000 Because they find that like maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's opiates, whatever it is.

00:44:31.000 Like some guys will do drugs and find that spot and then go back to drugs just to get to that spot.

00:44:37.000 From pool.

00:44:38.000 From pool.

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:39.000 Dang.

00:44:40.000 Oh, it's a nutty game.

00:44:41.000 I mean, I've never ever dug into it like that.

00:44:44.000 Oh, at the highest levels, guys are gambling from hundreds of thousands of dollars in these fucking weird places in Kentucky and weird pool.

00:44:53.000 They streaming online on YouTube.

00:44:56.000 They streaming on different websites.

00:44:57.000 Dang.

00:44:58.000 Oh, it's at the highest level, it is a crazy game.

00:45:02.000 It's a crazy game.

00:45:03.000 Well, I never knew that, but I learned a lot about that.

00:45:06.000 I know a dude who's one of the best in the world and he can't travel because he needs pills.

00:45:11.000 So he can't go overseas.

00:45:13.000 He can't go anywhere.

00:45:13.000 He can't travel without his pills.

00:45:15.000 If he does, he won't play white.

00:45:17.000 Really?

00:45:18.000 Oh, it's nuts.

00:45:19.000 It's a head game.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:20.000 Oh, it's it.

00:45:22.000 It's this is my friend Jeremy Jones, he won the U.S. Open, one of the greatest players of all time.

00:45:27.000 He's like, it is the most, and he plays everything.

00:45:29.000 He played baseball, like at a high level.

00:45:31.000 He plays golf.

00:45:32.000 He's like, it is the most mental game.

00:45:34.000 And really, it's why nobody's good at it.

00:45:36.000 That's why it never gets to, it never got to a place where it was like really appreciated professionally.

00:45:41.000 Right.

00:45:42.000 Because you have to know how to play it to be, to understand what you're seeing.

00:45:46.000 Yeah.

00:45:47.000 To really see people play well, you have to know what's happening.

00:45:50.000 I don't, I'd never, I'm not like good at any.

00:45:53.000 I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them.

00:45:55.000 No sports at all?

00:45:56.000 I didn't really.

00:45:57.000 I mean, I grew up kind of playing softball here and there.

00:45:59.000 So is golf like the first?

00:46:00.000 Golf is my first and my amount of shooting, which is technically labeled a sport.

00:46:05.000 That's a sport for sure.

00:46:08.000 So that's like it's new to me.

00:46:10.000 Like sports are new because I just, I don't know.

00:46:13.000 I started this at 17 and didn't and just was laser focused like horse with blinders doing country music.

00:46:19.000 And then what is it like going from just being a regular high school kid and all of a sudden 17 just being thrust into a spotlight?

00:46:30.000 Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at first.

00:46:32.000 I was playing shitholes with no light.

00:46:34.000 But even shitholes, there's some kind of light.

00:46:37.000 You're on the pool light.

00:46:40.000 The full damn light.

00:46:40.000 Yeah.

00:46:41.000 I don't know.

00:46:42.000 Like, I just, I don't know.

00:46:44.000 I feel like that, I didn't have a choice.

00:46:47.000 It picked me.

00:46:48.000 Like, it's the only thing I've ever been good at.

00:46:50.000 Everything is hard.

00:46:52.000 Everything else is hard to me.

00:46:53.000 But like, music was the only thing that I was like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do because I'm actually good at it.

00:46:59.000 Like, it comes naturally.

00:47:01.000 So many people have a thing like that, and they say, oh, that's just unrealistic.

00:47:01.000 I'm controlled at it, though.

00:47:05.000 I can't do that.

00:47:07.000 I didn't have a backup plan that helped.

00:47:10.000 I barely graduated high school.

00:47:11.000 I was like, I don't want to waste my dad's money.

00:47:13.000 That does help.

00:47:14.000 Going to college.

00:47:15.000 I was like, I have no backup plan.

00:47:17.000 So it really does help.

00:47:19.000 The hunger that it creates is like a fire that you can't explain.

00:47:24.000 And it's not good advice.

00:47:26.000 I would never give the advice of don't have a backup plan because some people are not going to make it.

00:47:31.000 And then they'll blame you.

00:47:32.000 You know, you told me I shouldn't have a backup plan.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 But I really think that for someone who's got some talent and a real desire to do that and you can stay the course, you could deal with the hard times.

00:47:45.000 Like you can't have a backup plan.

00:47:47.000 You cannot because that backup plan will rob your time.

00:47:51.000 Yeah.

00:47:51.000 That's the thing you have to think of.

00:47:53.000 It robs your focus.

00:47:54.000 It steals from your energy.

00:47:56.000 Yeah.

00:47:57.000 So it'll stop you from reaching your full potential.

00:48:00.000 Fuck your backup plans.

00:48:01.000 I mean, it didn't come from me.

00:48:01.000 Yeah.

00:48:03.000 It comes from me.

00:48:03.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 Fuck your backup plan.

00:48:06.000 And I don't want to get blamed, but I just think that's like the reason that it happened is a lot of hard work, obviously, and determination, but just nothing else.

00:48:18.000 I have nothing else.

00:48:19.000 Like I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to stay late for the trigger leading dance.

00:48:26.000 Everything was just hard for me.

00:48:28.000 Right, but that's just because you're a great singer.

00:48:31.000 Like that's where your mind works.

00:48:34.000 Like it's just such a wonderful thing that you found the thing that you're really good at.

00:48:39.000 Because some people, some people don't.

00:48:41.000 They just don't know why.

00:48:43.000 They suck at school.

00:48:44.000 They don't know why they can't pay attention.

00:48:46.000 They don't know why they can't be at work on time.

00:48:48.000 They don't know why.

00:48:49.000 They're like, what's wrong with me?

00:48:50.000 And if maybe that person just found that thing and they're like, oh my God, I'm supposed to be riding horses and shooting balloons.

00:48:57.000 Exactly.

00:48:58.000 Here I am.

00:48:59.000 I found me.

00:49:01.000 Yeah, I think it's, I feel like we're the lucky ones when we get to like, we know, like, this is, this is what I'm supposed to do.

00:49:09.000 This is what I'm going to chase, no matter what it costs.

00:49:12.000 And, you know, that doesn't, I see so many people that are so immensely talented that just didn't happen for.

00:49:20.000 Yeah.

00:49:21.000 And you don't, and you don't know why, like the why you said, you don't know if it was one little factor of a period in their life or just not seen at the right time or chasing the right thing at the right time.

00:49:32.000 And I don't know.

00:49:33.000 I feel, I feel very thankful for that.

00:49:35.000 But I'm also like trying to learn new things at 40 because I spent my whole adult life doing that.

00:49:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:44.000 So now I'm like, what can we do next?

00:49:46.000 Let's find another hobby.

00:49:47.000 But that's a great approach, though.

00:49:49.000 That's great.

00:49:49.000 I mean, it's recognizing you want to have some more stuff in your life.

00:49:53.000 It's interesting.

00:49:54.000 I think that this comes, I don't know.

00:49:55.000 Does that come with like wisdom with age?

00:49:58.000 Age, wisdom, and also feeling accomplished.

00:50:01.000 I mean, I feel like I set my goals.

00:50:03.000 I hit them.

00:50:04.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 You know, and that feels like, oh, okay, I can take a breath.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, that's got to be a part of it, right?

00:50:09.000 That's got to be a part of it.

00:50:11.000 It's got to be a part that, you know, you can relax a little.

00:50:13.000 Like, not that, you know, you will, you know, when it comes to, like, writing and singing and stuff, but at least you don't have to worry.

00:50:21.000 Like, am I going to make it?

00:50:23.000 Like, I kind of made it.

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 Let's just have some fun.

00:50:27.000 And what's the point in me?

00:50:27.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 The whole idea of making it is like your life will be better.

00:50:32.000 And you'll have, well, your life would be better if you have more fun.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 Like, find some stuff you like to do.

00:50:36.000 Exactly.

00:50:37.000 You seem like somebody that chases a lot of new things and conquers them, which I think is really inspiring.

00:50:42.000 Well, I chase things that you can never conquer.

00:50:44.000 That's, that's the key.

00:50:46.000 And no one told me that until I started playing golf and now it's too late.

00:50:50.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 You can't ever win.

00:50:52.000 For me, it started with martial arts.

00:50:54.000 You never conquer that.

00:50:55.000 There's always going to be somebody better than you, especially if you're not a professional.

00:50:58.000 You get really, really good at the things that you're pursuing.

00:51:02.000 Well, it's probably illness.

00:51:05.000 Something wrong with me.

00:51:08.000 For sure, if I was born at a different time, I was born in the 60s.

00:51:11.000 They didn't really diagnose kids with ADHD when I was a kid.

00:51:14.000 Oh, we both had to do them up.

00:51:15.000 100%.

00:51:17.000 We 100% have it.

00:51:18.000 I got it.

00:51:18.000 100%.

00:51:19.000 Whatever that fucking is, it's a superpower.

00:51:21.000 It's a superpower if you use it right.

00:51:23.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:51:24.000 Yeah, just the idea that you have to medicate a kid because he can't sit in school.

00:51:28.000 Find out if that kid's good at other stuff.

00:51:30.000 Find out if there's a thing that...

00:51:32.000 Okay, maybe they can't sit there where someone's teaching them math.

00:51:32.000 100%.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 Maybe they get bored real quick.

00:51:36.000 Maybe they start talking to her friends.

00:51:37.000 Whatever it is, they probably have a thing they're really good at.

00:51:42.000 If they could find that thing, I bet they focus like a motherfucker when they're playing video games, right?

00:51:46.000 So what's that all about?

00:51:48.000 You know, find the thing that that kid can lock into.

00:51:51.000 100%.

00:51:52.000 Yeah.

00:51:53.000 The thing is, like, you make people do things that are completely unnatural.

00:51:57.000 You make people sit down when they're six in a chair while some lady who's making $35,000 a year doesn't like kids is teaching them some shit that she doesn't care about.

00:52:08.000 So there's no energy in the room.

00:52:10.000 Everything.

00:52:11.000 And then when they're out in the yard, but their friends are having fun and they're laughing and mad.

00:52:16.000 So they're like, oh, this is bullshit.

00:52:18.000 This class sucks.

00:52:19.000 And they're talking to each other and then they get in trouble for talking.

00:52:21.000 Like, oh, your child's a problem.

00:52:24.000 Is the child really the problem?

00:52:26.000 Seems like the child has a lot of energy.

00:52:28.000 That's not a problem.

00:52:29.000 Yeah.

00:52:29.000 You just, you're not providing an inspiring environment for a growing mind.

00:52:35.000 Just turning you into a dull drone, some worker that just is capable of like shutting themselves off all day and then showing up and then just doing some stuff that they don't want to do because they were taught how to do it when they were a kid.

00:52:50.000 I feel like there's a lot more opportunities now than there was like even when I was in school, it's kind of just like Lindell ISD.

00:52:58.000 Like everybody learns the same.

00:53:00.000 Everybody goes to the same class.

00:53:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:02.000 And I just, my mom says I learned differently.

00:53:05.000 She tries to say it that way.

00:53:07.000 You learned differently.

00:53:08.000 Differently.

00:53:10.000 But looking back, it's the same, like you just described my entire existence as a student.

00:53:14.000 Well, it's not just yours.

00:53:15.000 It's mine.

00:53:16.000 And I think it's most people's.

00:53:18.000 You know, the only class that I really enjoyed was, well, science.

00:53:21.000 I always enjoyed science and I enjoyed art.

00:53:24.000 I always enjoyed that.

00:53:26.000 But even my art, I had a shitty art teacher in high school.

00:53:28.000 It was like a failed artist.

00:53:30.000 It was really negative.

00:53:32.000 And he kind of ruined art for me.

00:53:36.000 Yeah.

00:53:37.000 Not really, but ruined the idea of me doing it as a profession.

00:53:40.000 I was like, God, I have to be around people like this.

00:53:42.000 This guy's gross.

00:53:44.000 He was just so negative.

00:53:45.000 Right.

00:53:46.000 Bitter.

00:53:46.000 Just sad.

00:53:47.000 Just a sad old dude.

00:53:49.000 I always remember he ate a basketball.

00:53:52.000 Like his whole body was skinny, but his belly.

00:53:55.000 And now I know.

00:53:56.000 The guy probably drank himself to sleep every night.

00:53:59.000 Well, he was.

00:54:00.000 He was sad.

00:54:01.000 He's an artist wrapped in his own life, too.

00:54:04.000 I mean.

00:54:05.000 Also, he wasn't that good of an artist.

00:54:07.000 That's part of the problem.

00:54:08.000 Part of the problem was.

00:54:09.000 He needed a backup plan.

00:54:11.000 Well, I just don't think he had a lot of fire in him when it came to anything.

00:54:17.000 And I think the art that he created was a representation of who he is as a human.

00:54:22.000 And he saw these young kids that were talented.

00:54:24.000 I was pretty talented.

00:54:25.000 I was like the third best kid.

00:54:27.000 There's a kid named Kevin that was like a little better than me.

00:54:30.000 And then a kid named John, who's the best guy in our class.

00:54:33.000 And John told me like a year or two ago, we're emailing each other back and forth.

00:54:37.000 And John told me that that guy gave him an F. And I was like, okay.

00:54:42.000 So it wasn't just me.

00:54:43.000 That guy's a piece of shit because John was the best artist I'd ever seen when I was a teenager.

00:54:47.000 And we were all like, fuck, this guy's like the art world.

00:54:51.000 We're out.

00:54:52.000 So none of us became artists.

00:54:53.000 That's sad.

00:54:54.000 Oh, it was just this.

00:54:55.000 That was what this guy wanted.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:57.000 This guy wanted was to kill dreams.

00:54:59.000 I feel like it's so, especially in that, like, how old were you?

00:55:02.000 When I quit the classes, I stopped my senior year in high.

00:55:06.000 But by then, I was also traveling and fighting.

00:55:10.000 By then, I was, that was like when I heavily got into martial arts.

00:55:14.000 So by the time I was 17, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country.

00:55:19.000 It's crazy.

00:55:20.000 That's why I started making money playing music at 17.

00:55:24.000 You're senior year of high school?

00:55:25.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 Wow.

00:55:26.000 So that must have alienated you from a lot of your friends.

00:55:29.000 Yeah.

00:55:30.000 And I mean, I was also very big into church choir and stuff.

00:55:34.000 And so I'm like at the honky tonk till four in the morning because I was the houseband.

00:55:38.000 And then I'm like dragging a leg into church, smelling terrible.

00:55:42.000 Like, no wonder y'all kicked me out of youth group, you assholes.

00:55:47.000 I probably deserved it.

00:55:49.000 Like, what did you do last night?

00:55:49.000 That's hilarious.

00:55:51.000 Like, my mom had to like go with me for the first like three months of my house gig because I couldn't get in until I was 18 and I was playing in the house band.

00:55:59.000 So she'd be like, oh, good, you can drive and I can drink beer and listen to y'all play.

00:56:03.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:56:04.000 That's hilarious.

00:56:04.000 But yeah.

00:56:05.000 But it's funny what you're talking about, the teachers.

00:56:06.000 Like, I feel like there's some that just really, there's that turning point where you meet that one teacher or someone that in your childhood or high school years that turns things around for you.

00:56:19.000 I got like, when you're talking about your art teacher, I had this teacher named Miss Caldwell, and she taught speech.

00:56:25.000 And I was a terrified, literal, the shyest kid ever.

00:56:30.000 My parents are both very vibrant and huge personalities.

00:56:34.000 And like, I couldn't get a word in edge-wise, so I just didn't talk till I was like 16 because they just wouldn't shut up.

00:56:40.000 They're just constantly, dad's telling little cop stories about his violins.

00:56:43.000 And my mom's a PI, so she's telling all her cool stories.

00:56:46.000 And so I just was really shy.

00:56:48.000 And my little brother, the same, he's five years younger.

00:56:51.000 And like, we just weren't very like vocal.

00:56:54.000 And I somehow got forgot, I didn't pay attention and didn't put down my classes, you know, like my junior year of high school.

00:57:01.000 And I had got shoved in a class where there was one spot and it was speech honors and it was a debate class.

00:57:06.000 And like, that is not my vibe.

00:57:09.000 I was panicking.

00:57:11.000 My mom came up to the school.

00:57:12.000 I was sobbing.

00:57:13.000 I was like, I can't do this.

00:57:14.000 I don't even speak hardly.

00:57:16.000 But I was singing here and there.

00:57:19.000 I was singing in church.

00:57:20.000 Like, I could do it if I was singing, but like, still shyly singing.

00:57:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:24.000 Like, kind of in the background.

00:57:26.000 And my mom was like, we got to figure this out.

00:57:29.000 The school was like, well, there's not really any room for her any other classes and whatever.

00:57:34.000 And it was an honors class.

00:57:36.000 Like, this girl was like barely passing every class except choir.

00:57:40.000 They just allowed you to enter into that class.

00:57:42.000 They just somehow.

00:57:43.000 And so then I think looking back, like Miss Caldwell and the principal met with my mom and she looked at Miss Caldwell and she was like, can she do this?

00:57:53.000 And she was like, she needs to do this.

00:57:55.000 And so and I had to debate like against these seniors and real smart kids, right?

00:58:02.000 And, but it really brought me out of my shell.

00:58:04.000 And so I'm thankful she wasn't like your art teacher.

00:58:07.000 I'm thankful that Miss Caldwell was like, no, I see potential in this girl.

00:58:11.000 And if she's going to, because I sang at the talent show or whatever, she's like, if she's going to be a singer, she's going to have to learn to be in front of people and to like show her personality and come out of her shell.

00:58:21.000 And it really like changed my world because then I started playing in bars and I started to like come into my personality a little bit because you can't do this if you don't have if you aren't confident and have confidence in who you are, you know.

00:58:35.000 Right.

00:58:36.000 And the ability to be who you are in between songs.

00:58:39.000 That is a really important part.

00:58:42.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 And that's where people get to see you.

00:58:45.000 Yeah.

00:58:45.000 So I'm thankful for her.

00:58:47.000 Thanks, Miss Caldwell.

00:58:48.000 Damn, Miss Caldwell killed it.

00:58:48.000 Love you.

00:58:49.000 She killed it.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, that's beautiful to have a teacher like that.

00:58:53.000 And anyone can speak.

00:58:56.000 The anxiety about like, oh, I could never public speak.

00:58:58.000 Like, yes, you could.

00:59:00.000 You just, it's not impossible.

00:59:02.000 Can you talk to me?

00:59:03.000 Okay.

00:59:03.000 Then you could talk to a bunch of people.

00:59:05.000 You can do it.

00:59:06.000 You might have to do it a bunch of times before you figure it out, but it's not like breathing underwater.

00:59:10.000 You could totally do it.

00:59:12.000 It's still scary to me.

00:59:13.000 I mean, honestly, like, you're so good at it.

00:59:14.000 Also, comedians, like, that to me is the scariest of all the show bits that you could pick.

00:59:21.000 Is that?

00:59:21.000 Yeah.

00:59:22.000 It's one of them.

00:59:23.000 It's, it's.

00:59:24.000 That's kind of what I like about it, though.

00:59:26.000 I like scary stuff because you'll have less people doing it.

00:59:31.000 So you'll be like, I'm not going to be able to do it.

00:59:32.000 That's why I got into fighting.

00:59:33.000 That's why I got into cop.

00:59:34.000 It's like, it's, it's a, it's like, if say, like, let's say if you want to be a lawyer, you know, people are trying to be a lawyer, right?

00:59:42.000 You got to go to law school.

00:59:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:59:44.000 You got to get a degree.

00:59:45.000 You got to pass the bar.

00:59:46.000 You got to get hired by some sort of a law firm.

00:59:50.000 And you got to try cases.

00:59:52.000 And what are you doing?

00:59:53.000 Like, a lot of people are trying to be lawyers.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 Because there's a clear pathway.

00:59:57.000 But if the pathway is like foggy, like, how do you be a professional fighter?

01:00:01.000 Like, oh, I'll go that pathway.

01:00:04.000 Like, no one's doing that.

01:00:05.000 Like, the people that are doing that are all crazy.

01:00:07.000 Like, those are my kind of people.

01:00:09.000 Or if the pathway is how to be a comedian, like, oh, yeah, all these people are all misfits.

01:00:13.000 This is perfect.

01:00:14.000 These are my people.

01:00:15.000 Like, this is perfect.

01:00:16.000 I'll go do that.

01:00:17.000 Like, this is like, I'm insured of being around like-minded, interesting people.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, that's a great way to look at it.

01:00:24.000 But I just think, I always think about how, like, the first time you step on the stage and you're, you know, you're showing all your cards.

01:00:33.000 Like, do you remember your first time?

01:00:34.000 Well, but for a comedian to me, it's like songs, songs are different.

01:00:38.000 Like, you know, the first game you play, the first, whatever, everybody has their first time that they're like learning their ropes and how to get their feet under them.

01:00:46.000 But, but that's just so raw.

01:00:48.000 Like, here's my jokes.

01:00:50.000 Here's my whole heart.

01:00:52.000 Yeah.

01:00:53.000 Here's, I hope that you think this is funny.

01:00:55.000 Like, that's just every time I see it, I'm like, that is the hardest thing in show business.

01:01:00.000 The first time I ever did it, I was still fighting, and I'd done nothing but martial arts competition, like literally eight hours a day for my whole life for six years.

01:01:09.000 And then I was more scared going on stage at an open mic night than I had ever been fighting ever.

01:01:15.000 That makes sense to me.

01:01:16.000 But I was confused.

01:01:17.000 I was like, why am I scared?

01:01:18.000 Like, this doesn't even make sense.

01:01:20.000 It was so baffling to me.

01:01:21.000 I was like, why am I so nervous?

01:01:23.000 That makes sense to me.

01:01:24.000 It's just, it's something you well, you knew you were good at it, but you had to do it in front of people.

01:01:29.000 I didn't even think I was good at it.

01:01:31.000 My friends told me I was good at it.

01:01:33.000 And they only told me I was good at it.

01:01:34.000 It was like we would go to tournaments and everybody would be terrified.

01:01:36.000 We'd all be like, like, really nervous.

01:01:38.000 And I would be the humor.

01:01:41.000 It was gallows humor.

01:01:43.000 So I would be the guy cracking jokes.

01:01:45.000 I'd be the guy doing impressions of each other, like of different friends, like what they'd be like having sex or whatever it was, and making everybody laugh, saying totally inappropriate stuff.

01:01:54.000 And my friend Steve, who I'm still friends with to these days, he was a grown man and I was like 15 at the time.

01:02:00.000 And to this day, he's still one of my best friends.

01:02:03.000 But he told me, he's like, you should be a comedian.

01:02:07.000 Like, you're funny.

01:02:08.000 It's like, and I was like, you're you think I'm funny because you like me.

01:02:12.000 I go, but other people are going to think I'm an asshole.

01:02:15.000 Like, my sense of humor is fucked up.

01:02:17.000 And he's like, you should just go to Open Mic Night.

01:02:19.000 And I did.

01:02:20.000 And I went to an open mic night, and I was like, oh, everybody sucks.

01:02:22.000 Oh, this is fine.

01:02:23.000 I was like, you go to see a few professionals and a few people that are just struggling.

01:02:27.000 I thought everybody would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor.

01:02:30.000 I'm going to get killed up there.

01:02:31.000 This is going to be terrible.

01:02:32.000 And then I realized, like, oh, this is just like martial arts or anything else.

01:02:36.000 You start off terrible and then you try and then you get better and then you figure it out.

01:02:41.000 And then, you know, it's like, but I just wasn't, I was just stunned by how scared I was more than anything.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:49.000 Do you remember the first time you ever got on stage, like at a honky talk?

01:02:52.000 Or?

01:02:53.000 It was a 16.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.000 It was a true value country show down the Rio Palm Isle in Longview, Texas.

01:03:01.000 Wow.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, and I was scared to death because I was like, the shot kid, too.

01:03:06.000 My dad's a songwriter, too.

01:03:08.000 You're going to love this.

01:03:09.000 He's a cop and a songwriter.

01:03:10.000 My dad is a songwriter.

01:03:11.000 He plays guitar.

01:03:13.000 And he had a band, his cop band on their side gig was all narcs, and they were called contraband.

01:03:21.000 They were a country band called Contraband.

01:03:23.000 Can you even?

01:03:27.000 Yeah, but he wrote songs, so I was like, I'm going to enter this contest.

01:03:30.000 My mom was like shocked.

01:03:31.000 I went, I was like working in the yard.

01:03:33.000 She's like, go pick the weeds.

01:03:34.000 I'm like, mom, there's an ad on the radio for a contest called The True Value Country Showdown and I want to enter it.

01:03:40.000 She was like, what?

01:03:42.000 You don't, you're too shy.

01:03:42.000 You don't even talk.

01:03:44.000 Like, are you kidding me?

01:03:45.000 And I was like, no, I want to do it.

01:03:46.000 And she was like, what are you going to sing it?

01:03:47.000 You had to sing an original song.

01:03:48.000 And I sang one of my dad's.

01:03:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:52.000 It was called, gosh, now I can't think of it.

01:03:52.000 What was the song?

01:03:57.000 Too many song titles in my head.

01:03:58.000 Way too many.

01:04:00.000 It's like done bars.

01:04:01.000 Here I go again.

01:04:02.000 That's what the title is.

01:04:02.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:03.000 And so, like, because I grew up on like, forever, I thought my dad wrote like Mama Drive because I grew up with him just playing John Pride and Haggard and David Allen Coe and Guy Clark, you know.

01:04:16.000 So I started to realize, oh, some of these are like my dad's originals, and some of those are more haggard.

01:04:21.000 They're not just dads.

01:04:24.000 Like, I got up there and I got, I didn't win, but I, it was like my first, okay, like you were just saying, it was my first, like, okay, maybe I can, I can do this.

01:04:35.000 Like, I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and I'm young, but like, I'm not terrible.

01:04:40.000 Like, I'm kind of equal with these guys.

01:04:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:44.000 We're all babies.

01:04:45.000 Yeah, it was.

01:04:46.000 Exciting.

01:04:46.000 And it was, I don't know.

01:04:49.000 I think that's the first time I was like, okay, I found something that doesn't feel foreign to me that's not so hard to learn.

01:04:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:05:00.000 Do you believe in fate?

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 I do.

01:05:03.000 You probably should.

01:05:04.000 Because it worked out.

01:05:04.000 Right?

01:05:04.000 Yeah.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:07.000 That's my bias about fate.

01:05:09.000 Like, if anybody should believe in fate, it's people like you or I. But I'm not sure.

01:05:16.000 My bias is that I believe in it because it worked out.

01:05:19.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 You know, but I mean, if your life is shit and you're like, is this fate?

01:05:23.000 Like, what did I do in a past life?

01:05:25.000 Like, what kind of an asshole was I?

01:05:29.000 And everything just turned out so terrible.

01:05:31.000 You know?

01:05:32.000 Oh, well, there's, I mean, I don't know.

01:05:35.000 I feel like I also met my husband in like a crazy way.

01:05:38.000 And so I can't help but believe in fate.

01:05:41.000 There's something to it.

01:05:42.000 Yeah, I believe in it.

01:05:43.000 Yeah, there's something to it.

01:05:44.000 As much as my mind, my rational mind wants to ignore the possibility.

01:05:49.000 Like the randomness of the universe, the size and scope of it all.

01:05:53.000 Do you really think it matters what you do?

01:05:56.000 But it does to you, right?

01:05:58.000 It has a giant impact on your life.

01:06:01.000 And everything matters.

01:06:02.000 Just because there's black holes doesn't mean your fucking, your homework doesn't matter.

01:06:07.000 You know, everything matters.

01:06:08.000 Right.

01:06:08.000 Your whole world.

01:06:09.000 Everything matters.

01:06:10.000 It's like you can't think that things don't matter, like that the universe wouldn't have a plan for your life when it seems to have a plan for everything.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:21.000 I mean, all of it seems to be happening for some sort of a very bizarre reason, all of it together.

01:06:28.000 So I'm sure that there's something to fate, but it's just my rational mind wants to go, that's just your ego.

01:06:33.000 It's like silly.

01:06:34.000 You could have been born in Somalia.

01:06:36.000 You know, life could have sucked for you.

01:06:39.000 You know, it's hard to, because fate's a weird one.

01:06:43.000 Like, you can't measure it.

01:06:44.000 Can't put it on a scale.

01:06:47.000 But it seems to be real.

01:06:49.000 Well, it's real for us.

01:06:49.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 So then it's real.

01:06:52.000 I guess.

01:06:53.000 And also, I'm like, your ceiling is giving me.

01:06:56.000 The little shooting stars.

01:06:56.000 I love it.

01:06:58.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 And you were like, fate is real.

01:07:00.000 And it was like, boom.

01:07:01.000 And I was like, yeah, it is.

01:07:03.000 If I don't tell people, I didn't tell you.

01:07:05.000 But sometimes people.

01:07:07.000 I love it.

01:07:08.000 They're like, am I having flashbacks?

01:07:09.000 Like, what's going on?

01:07:10.000 It's awesome.

01:07:11.000 That's what I love about West Texas: something about, like, it's just so vast in the middle of nowhere.

01:07:15.000 Like, the stars are, they feel like they're, we call it the thunderdome when we're, we, like, lay in the yard and it just feels like they're, you could reach up and grab them because it's so dark out there.

01:07:25.000 Yeah.

01:07:25.000 It's magical.

01:07:26.000 Well, they're on top of you and you don't have any light pollution.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 That's the thing that ruins the world.

01:07:33.000 That's the problem with New York City.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 That's why everybody's so stupid.

01:07:36.000 They're like so like stuck in their own world because they don't realize they're in space.

01:07:41.000 Exactly.

01:07:42.000 You know?

01:07:43.000 You don't get that break.

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 A break that you get from space that I don't think you get from anything else where you just like look up and you go, oh yeah, okay.

01:07:53.000 I'm taking all this shit way too seriously.

01:07:55.000 This is nuts.

01:07:55.000 Yeah.

01:07:56.000 Like just above us.

01:07:58.000 It totally is.

01:07:59.000 And also when you said that, it made me think of what we were talking about earlier about wisdom and like, I don't know, just kind of reaching some goals and taking a breath and calming down and going, okay, everything's okay.

01:08:12.000 It's like, I just feel like.

01:08:16.000 I saw a shooting star and lost my train of thought.

01:08:19.000 I have ADHD.

01:08:22.000 I lost my whole life.

01:08:23.000 We have to shut them off.

01:08:25.000 Well, we're talking about space.

01:08:27.000 Well, I've been working.

01:08:28.000 Inspiration.

01:08:29.000 And fate.

01:08:29.000 I don't know.

01:08:31.000 Phew, pew.

01:08:32.000 Squirrel.

01:08:35.000 What are you zinning over there?

01:08:37.000 What are those?

01:08:37.000 Oh, these are Lucy's.

01:08:39.000 They're breakers.

01:08:40.000 Do you ever take these?

01:08:41.000 I don't know what they are, but I like Zins.

01:08:44.000 Here, try these.

01:08:45.000 These are strong, though.

01:08:46.000 Oh, like, what, sixes?

01:08:48.000 Oh, I'll pass out.

01:08:48.000 Nine.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, don't do it.

01:08:51.000 I'm not doing it.

01:08:52.000 I'm not doing it.

01:08:53.000 This is strong.

01:08:55.000 This one's not.

01:08:56.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 These are nines.

01:08:57.000 I got some fours over here.

01:08:58.000 Oh, you got some fours?

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 Oh, chuck me up four, son.

01:09:03.000 What's the Lucy's?

01:09:05.000 Why are they different?

01:09:08.000 They have like a little thing inside of them that you're called breakers.

01:09:12.000 So it's like coffee flavored you put in your mouth.

01:09:14.000 Just like a Zin?

01:09:15.000 Uh-huh.

01:09:16.000 And you crack that little sucker open.

01:09:16.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 It gives you a little piece of colour.

01:09:20.000 A little sugar.

01:09:20.000 Yeah.

01:09:21.000 That one's like a little cupcake in there for you.

01:09:26.000 Oh, those are fours, right?

01:09:27.000 So it's not bad.

01:09:28.000 That's a nice nice.

01:09:30.000 I get up and run out of here.

01:09:31.000 I've already concentrated because of the shooting stars.

01:09:34.000 I saw a dude online.

01:09:36.000 He got a 50-milligram one from overseas.

01:09:39.000 What?

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 And he tried it, and he was violently ill, lying on the ground.

01:09:44.000 Like, I'm right at terrorism.

01:09:45.000 Why would you do that?

01:09:47.000 Well, I think he did it for props, you know, like so he could get some online cred just for the views.

01:09:54.000 Did it work?

01:09:54.000 Did it for the great work?

01:09:55.000 I mean, I guess people, I watched it.

01:09:58.000 I'm like, you're going to take a 50?

01:09:58.000 I wanted to see.

01:10:00.000 Oh, you're fucked, dude.

01:10:01.000 And he said, oh, my God, it's like drinking battery acid.

01:10:03.000 And then he was lying on the ground at the end of it.

01:10:04.000 It's like, I really fucked up.

01:10:05.000 I made a giant mistake.

01:10:07.000 Because it's so much nicotine.

01:10:08.000 50 milligrams is crazy.

01:10:10.000 But you're so, like, so into health and take such good care of yourself.

01:10:15.000 And I, what is the bit?

01:10:17.000 What, like, why are I just tell people, oh, they're good for you.

01:10:19.000 Have one.

01:10:20.000 Wow.

01:10:21.000 What do you think?

01:10:21.000 Like, tell me your opinion of these.

01:10:23.000 This whole craze.

01:10:25.000 Nicotine is not bad for you.

01:10:27.000 The delivery method is what's bad for you.

01:10:27.000 Right.

01:10:30.000 And the delivery method with cigarettes, in particular, with cigarettes that have a bunch of chemicals added to them, that's even worse.

01:10:37.000 Like the regular cigarettes, like natural cigarettes, I bet are probably not as bad for you.

01:10:42.000 Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician who was on here, was explaining to us like why regular cigarettes are not as bad, but it's still not good for you to be smoking in your lungs.

01:10:53.000 But nicotine itself is not bad.

01:10:55.000 Nicotine itself is neuroprotectant.

01:10:58.000 Nicotine itself actually is a nootropic, which means it's cognitively enhancing.

01:11:05.000 So nootropics are like vitamins that help brain function.

01:11:09.000 And there's a bunch of them.

01:11:10.000 Like I have some here.

01:11:13.000 We have some stuff called Alpha Brain that's great.

01:11:15.000 I've seen that.

01:11:15.000 There's a bunch of companies that make different versions of nootropic.

01:11:19.000 But there are nutrients that enhance memory and enhance your verbal memory.

01:11:25.000 So your ability to recall words.

01:11:28.000 They can enhance peak alpha flow state.

01:11:30.000 Like they've done like real, they've done two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at the Boston Center for Memory with Alpha Brain.

01:11:37.000 It shows more effectiveness than any of the drugs that they had studied over the past like nine months before they did this.

01:11:44.000 Like this is pretty impressive.

01:11:45.000 So nicotine does that too.

01:11:48.000 Nicotine enhances your memory.

01:11:49.000 It enhances brain function.

01:11:52.000 It stimulates you.

01:11:53.000 So there's a lot of benefits to nicotine.

01:11:57.000 But the problem is like, how do you take it?

01:11:59.000 How are you taking your nicotine?

01:12:02.000 Probably one of the best ways is maybe gum.

01:12:05.000 These things.

01:12:07.000 People are wearing patches now and stuff.

01:12:08.000 Oh, fucking crazy people.

01:12:09.000 That's Ron White.

01:12:10.000 He wears a goddamn patch.

01:12:11.000 How are you doing, Ron?

01:12:13.000 I got a patch on and I'm smoking.

01:12:16.000 He's got a cigar.

01:12:17.000 He's got a Zen.

01:12:19.000 Fucking animal.

01:12:22.000 So good.

01:12:24.000 He's such an animal.

01:12:25.000 But I think there's real benefit to it.

01:12:28.000 I know a guy who puts a nicotine patch on for productivity when he writes.

01:12:33.000 That makes sense to me.

01:12:34.000 Like, I feel like, because all the songwriters are, you know, right now everybody in Nashville's zinning.

01:12:40.000 And I'm like, oh, I'll try one.

01:12:42.000 And it like really does give you a little stimulant.

01:12:45.000 Yeah, and I also have a lot of words in my head.

01:12:47.000 I need to remember words and I also need to write new words.

01:12:52.000 So anything to help with that.

01:12:53.000 Anything you want, if you want help with memory, Alpha Brain is a really good one.

01:12:57.000 I want to try that because I just think like at some point too when you're tired, you know, it's just, it feels like you're like, you can't, I mean, you just saw me lose my train of thought.

01:13:07.000 It's like, I don't want to be on like a bunch of Adderall and stuff.

01:13:11.000 I want to be on, I want to find a different method to like have my brain functioning the best it can.

01:13:16.000 These are addictive though.

01:13:17.000 And I got to say, different people have different levels of like how addicted they get with these.

01:13:24.000 Like some people can't not have them.

01:13:26.000 I said, I'm going to go on vacation and not bring any and see what happens.

01:13:26.000 I went on vacation.

01:13:29.000 See if I freak out.

01:13:30.000 Just to see.

01:13:31.000 And nothing.

01:13:32.000 Zero.

01:13:33.000 It was like, I kind of missed them, maybe, for a day or two, like wanted one, didn't have any.

01:13:33.000 Nothing.

01:13:39.000 And then after like three days, I was like, oh, this is fine.

01:13:42.000 It's not like a physical, like, oh my God, I'm Jones.

01:13:45.000 It's not like smoking.

01:13:46.000 I'm a shaken.

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 But I know people that have tried to get off of them that really struggle.

01:13:53.000 I mean, it is addictive.

01:13:54.000 I mean, it's nicotine.

01:13:55.000 I think the vapes are the hardest to get off of.

01:13:57.000 The vapes, like, that's, I don't want heat on my voice either.

01:14:00.000 Right.

01:14:01.000 Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is.

01:14:04.000 If you buy them ones that are like in the gas station, like, who knows where those are?

01:14:09.000 Like, but the ones that heat up.

01:14:11.000 Oh, yeah, the crazy ones.

01:14:12.000 I like that.

01:14:13.000 Adam Curry.

01:14:13.000 Do you know who Adam Curry is?

01:14:15.000 He's the first podcaster.

01:14:16.000 He used to be the MTV VJ.

01:14:18.000 Yes.

01:14:18.000 The guy with beautiful hair.

01:14:20.000 Yes.

01:14:21.000 He carries around one of those robot lunchbox vapes, those big old crazy ones where you're blowing and it makes like noise.

01:14:21.000 Good friend of mine.

01:14:30.000 It's like kind of like a power bar on the side of it.

01:14:32.000 It's so ridiculous.

01:14:33.000 And he blows his giant, but it's all like he fills it with natural oil so it's air quotes healthy.

01:14:41.000 Air quotes.

01:14:42.000 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 That's what people say when they smoke American spirits.

01:14:45.000 Yeah, it's healthy.

01:14:46.000 Come on, there's an Indian on there.

01:14:48.000 Exactly.

01:14:51.000 How come they get away with that?

01:14:53.000 Are American spirits owned by Native Americans?

01:14:55.000 No.

01:14:56.000 No?

01:14:56.000 So how the fuck do they have a Native American on there and not catch any slack?

01:15:00.000 They do, right?

01:15:01.000 Don't they have an it's a badass pack?

01:15:03.000 I've got in trouble in the past for stuff.

01:15:04.000 So did they?

01:15:05.000 I'm not, I'm not getting into it.

01:15:07.000 Oh, getting into tobacco company problems.

01:15:11.000 He's like, uh, and pivot.

01:15:14.000 Did you ever see that movie, The Insider, with Russell Crowe?

01:15:17.000 I don't think so.

01:15:17.000 It's about a guy who works for a tobacco company that is explaining.

01:15:21.000 He was a chemist and he was explaining how they added all these different things to make it more addictive.

01:15:27.000 And they're trying to kill him in the film because they don't want that information getting out.

01:15:31.000 He's the insider.

01:15:32.000 It's a kind of crazy movie and based on a true story.

01:15:34.000 Wow.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:36.000 They put a bunch of shit in cigarettes to try to get you hooked.

01:15:40.000 Well, then they do it.

01:15:41.000 I mean, it works.

01:15:42.000 People are the hardest one.

01:15:44.000 I feel like it's the most you hear people talking about trying to quit that and drinking to me.

01:15:49.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:15:50.000 Just on the daily.

01:15:51.000 Like, I'm in a band.

01:15:52.000 So everybody's like, oh, I quit.

01:15:53.000 Now they're all like, you got us in?

01:15:54.000 You got us in?

01:15:56.000 Because it's just highly addictive, I guess.

01:15:59.000 It is, but it's, it's people want something.

01:16:02.000 They just want something to take them out of whatever state they're in.

01:16:05.000 Give me something.

01:16:05.000 Give me a drink.

01:16:05.000 Give me this.

01:16:06.000 Give me a coffee.

01:16:07.000 Like, everybody I know that's an Alcoholics Anonymous, they all smoke or drink tons of coffee.

01:16:13.000 It's either or both.

01:16:15.000 Yes.

01:16:15.000 Because they just want to do something.

01:16:17.000 Something's not going to make me suck dick for bus fare, but I'm at least get a little bit of something different than regular life.

01:16:17.000 Get me.

01:16:25.000 I don't want to be homeless.

01:16:26.000 I don't want to be cracked out, but give me something.

01:16:29.000 Just give me a little something to take me away from wherever I am right now.

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 Not that far away, just a little bit away.

01:16:34.000 It's a little next door.

01:16:36.000 Let me go next door and hide.

01:16:40.000 I'm going to start saying that way.

01:16:41.000 I'm like, I have a Zen.

01:16:42.000 I need to go next door.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, I'm going to go next door.

01:16:44.000 Just a little bit.

01:16:45.000 I don't want to go too far away.

01:16:46.000 I can hear everybody.

01:16:47.000 Am I supposed to break this little candy thing?

01:16:49.000 I do.

01:16:50.000 Yeah, I break it right away.

01:16:51.000 He just cracked down on that little sucker.

01:16:53.000 What's in there?

01:16:53.000 That's simple.

01:16:54.000 Probably candy.

01:16:55.000 Ooh.

01:16:56.000 Nice, right?

01:16:57.000 That's like a little burst of flavor.

01:16:58.000 A little burst of flavor.

01:17:00.000 Right next door.

01:17:01.000 I like those.

01:17:02.000 I like those.

01:17:03.000 It's a buddy.

01:17:04.000 My buddy Duncan found out that his blood sugar goes up when he vapes because he was buying those gas station vapes.

01:17:11.000 And, you know, he got type 2 diabetes because he was eating too much sugar.

01:17:16.000 Don't worry.

01:17:16.000 He's okay.

01:17:18.000 But he realized because he monitors his blood glucose that when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof.

01:17:25.000 I go, okay, why do you think that is?

01:17:27.000 Like, why do you think it's strawberry flavored?

01:17:29.000 What the fuck do you think's in there, bro?

01:17:31.000 You're eating candy all day.

01:17:32.000 Like, you're vaping on sugar.

01:17:34.000 Sugar oils?

01:17:36.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 It has to be.

01:17:38.000 Yeah.

01:17:38.000 It has to be.

01:17:39.000 I mean, if it's like grape-flavored or whatever the hell it is, it's like there's some.

01:17:44.000 Also, who knows what kind of oil they're putting in those damn things?

01:17:48.000 It stinks.

01:17:49.000 Probably made in China or somewhere.

01:17:52.000 I watched a video on TikTok of these dudes testing them.

01:17:55.000 Some dude is just sucking on each one of them to make sure they work at the factory.

01:18:00.000 What's going to happen to him?

01:18:01.000 I don't know what's going to happen to you because you're sucking on the same one that he was sucking on.

01:18:05.000 Nobody cleans those things off.

01:18:06.000 You just get them at the gas station and stick it right in your mouth.

01:18:08.000 That's like a karaoke mic.

01:18:10.000 Yes.

01:18:12.000 That's nasty.

01:18:13.000 Okay, I'm spinning this out.

01:18:13.000 So nasty.

01:18:14.000 Hold the pause, pause.

01:18:15.000 Oh, you get rid of it?

01:18:18.000 It's like a buzz.

01:18:20.000 Yeah, like a little buzz.

01:18:21.000 Yeah, a little next.

01:18:22.000 You went next door.

01:18:23.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:18:24.000 Excuse me, I'm going next door.

01:18:26.000 Yeah.

01:18:27.000 So anyway, nicotine vapes.

01:18:29.000 I don't think they're good for you, folks.

01:18:31.000 Sorry.

01:18:32.000 Because people thought they were healthier for you than cigarettes.

01:18:35.000 But it turns out, like, no.

01:18:37.000 Not only do they not.

01:18:37.000 Yeah, here's a state.

01:18:38.000 Oh, God.

01:18:39.000 Look, he's testing all of them.

01:18:40.000 All those cute little pink ones.

01:18:41.000 You've got to make sure they all work.

01:18:43.000 By the way, how hooked is that guy?

01:18:45.000 That guy must have awful.

01:18:46.000 Fucking hooked.

01:18:48.000 Where is this taking place?

01:18:49.000 Does it say in the that guy has to test all of them?

01:18:54.000 I would like to see what that guy's.

01:18:56.000 Look, that guy looks like he's 15 years old.

01:18:58.000 Did you see the bottom?

01:19:00.000 No.

01:19:00.000 It says 7,000 to 8,000 tests per day.

01:19:04.000 That's terrible.

01:19:05.000 Bro, test his lungs.

01:19:07.000 Because there's a thing called popcorn lung that kids are getting.

01:19:09.000 I've never heard of that.

01:19:11.000 The thing about these things is that they're very, very addictive.

01:19:15.000 They're more addictive than I think any other delivery method.

01:19:19.000 Like you just, and the thing about nicotine vapes is the first vape of the day is the only one you really want.

01:19:26.000 The first vape of the day, I would take a vape and be like, This is wonderful.

01:19:32.000 Like, this feeling is wonderful.

01:19:34.000 It's wonderful.

01:19:35.000 And then you chase that dragon and you never get it back until the next day.

01:19:38.000 The rest of the day, you're sucking on this thing, go, yeah, nope, nothing.

01:19:43.000 I'm not getting it.

01:19:43.000 I'm not getting that wonderful feeling.

01:19:45.000 Yeah.

01:19:46.000 You have to have no nicotine in your system.

01:19:48.000 And then you have that one hint.

01:19:49.000 It's like, welcome me into your life.

01:19:52.000 Do you get like, do these people get like that feeling from those patches?

01:19:56.000 I don't think so.

01:19:57.000 I think the patches just make you like a little Adderall.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, it's like, I'm sure people have Adderall patches, don't they?

01:20:04.000 Do they have an Adderall patch?

01:20:06.000 No?

01:20:06.000 I don't think so.

01:20:07.000 Adderall is a sketchy one.

01:20:09.000 I had someone here the other day who was telling me they were doing Adderall right before.

01:20:13.000 I did an Adderall just so I'm ready.

01:20:15.000 It's like it's a writing.

01:20:17.000 It's very helpful for writing.

01:20:18.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:20:19.000 It's like you don't want to have, I don't want to need it.

01:20:22.000 So that's why I was like, what brain things can I take?

01:20:24.000 Yeah.

01:20:25.000 What are Lucy's?

01:20:26.000 What does it say, Jamie?

01:20:28.000 Oh, amphetamine patch.

01:20:29.000 There it is.

01:20:30.000 Oh, sure.

01:20:31.000 ADHD treatment that lets you control your time your way.

01:20:34.000 They always say that.

01:20:35.000 Like, look, there's a woman who's in control.

01:20:37.000 Look at her with her jean jacket on her arms crossed.

01:20:40.000 I'm in control.

01:20:41.000 She's got a control posture.

01:20:42.000 Look at her posture.

01:20:44.000 I'm on a meth patch.

01:20:46.000 I'm in control.

01:20:50.000 No patch, please, Lord knows.

01:20:52.000 You are literally on a drug that will kill your superpower.

01:20:56.000 You got a superpower and you're killing it with a drug so you could focus on it.

01:20:59.000 I definitely don't want a patch of that.

01:21:01.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 No thanks.

01:21:02.000 No, thanks.

01:21:03.000 I don't need it.

01:21:04.000 Maybe somebody needs it.

01:21:05.000 I don't want to judge.

01:21:06.000 But the reality is that stuff, the amphetamines in any shape or form are highly addictive.

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 And they're passing them out like candy.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.000 My daughter's in high school and a bunch of kids in high school have air quotes ADHD.

01:21:22.000 And because of ADHD, they get Adderall.

01:21:25.000 And then also they get more time on tests because they got ADHD.

01:21:29.000 So they're fucking on speed.

01:21:29.000 They can't focus.

01:21:31.000 Tricks of the trick.

01:21:32.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 Because it's very competitive.

01:21:35.000 Parents want to get their kids into colleges.

01:21:37.000 They're getting their kids diagnosed so they can get their kid hooked on whatever they're probably already hooked on too.

01:21:43.000 Because a lot of people that are adults are hooked on it.

01:21:45.000 And you can tell those folks because they come to the parent teacher meetings and they can't shut the fuck up.

01:21:50.000 And they just want to talk to you about everything.

01:21:51.000 Oh, my God.

01:21:53.000 They want to corner me and ask me about some episode I did.

01:21:55.000 Oh my God, I love that episode that you did with the guy about climate.

01:21:59.000 They're so cracked out.

01:22:00.000 They're so obviously cracked out.

01:22:02.000 And there's a lot of people out there just running around cracked out, but they feel like they got it from the doctor.

01:22:07.000 The doctor gave me, I'll tell you, 30 milligrams, and I'm just a better person.

01:22:10.000 I just better about all tasks.

01:22:14.000 I like to talk to that person daily.

01:22:16.000 Like, I feel like those people are everywhere.

01:22:18.000 They're everywhere.

01:22:18.000 Yeah.

01:22:19.000 Well, we looked it up.

01:22:21.000 Use Perplexity, which is one of our sponsors, and find out how many prescriptions for Adderall they wrote in, let's say, 2024.

01:22:31.000 Let's take a guess.

01:22:33.000 How many do you?

01:22:34.000 I mean, I could not even ballpark that.

01:22:36.000 I want to say 40 million.

01:22:39.000 I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at least.

01:22:42.000 It's probably a lot more.

01:22:44.000 But I'm going conservative and I'm saying 40 million prescriptions for Adderall in 2024.

01:22:51.000 You want to guess?

01:22:51.000 What do you want?

01:22:52.000 Take a guess.

01:22:52.000 Yeah.

01:22:53.000 40.

01:22:55.000 51.

01:22:56.000 You're probably closer.

01:22:57.000 I bet it's like 90.

01:22:58.000 I bet it's not.

01:23:00.000 I bet it is.

01:23:00.000 Because it's like individual people refilling prescriptions.

01:23:03.000 You know, I don't think it's like 90 million patients, but it's a lot.

01:23:07.000 I bet it's all journalists.

01:23:10.000 I bet like most people that are writing things.

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 I bet that in what is it?

01:23:15.000 Okay.

01:23:16.000 How many Adderall prescriptions were written in 2024?

01:23:19.000 According to Proplexy, 45 million Adderall prescriptions written in the United States.

01:23:23.000 Well, we were both in the middle.

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:25.000 What did you go?

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:26.000 51?

01:23:27.000 I said 40.

01:23:29.000 Commonly prescribed stimulants for conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy.

01:23:33.000 This number follows several years of notable growth.

01:23:36.000 It's weird.

01:23:36.000 Huh.

01:23:37.000 More people need it.

01:23:38.000 It's up since 2019.

01:23:40.000 Yeah, notable growth.

01:23:40.000 Look at that.

01:23:41.000 Data suggests the prescription rates began to decline slightly after a sharp surge during the COVID-19 pandemic and shortages affected.

01:23:51.000 I'll stop.

01:23:52.000 2019, it was only 35.

01:23:54.000 Interesting.

01:23:56.000 So it's up 10 million.

01:23:58.000 Whoo, that's crazy.

01:24:00.000 41.4 million in 2021 and 45 million by 2023.

01:24:06.000 I bet there's a lot of people getting it illegally too.

01:24:09.000 Like, what's that number?

01:24:10.000 Okay, let's.

01:24:11.000 That's because there was that shortage in the world.

01:24:13.000 They've recovered from it.

01:24:15.000 Well, also, once the shortage started, people got dealers.

01:24:19.000 Sure, but people are using mushrooms and stuff for that now, too.

01:24:22.000 That's a very different thing.

01:24:23.000 I've heard, I've heard a lot about that.

01:24:25.000 Yeah, micro-dosing mushrooms is a, that's a very different thing than Adderall.

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:29.000 That's like the opposite of Adderall.

01:24:31.000 Yeah, even if it's for focus, right?

01:24:33.000 Like, well, I'm sure it'll help you focus on something.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, but you got to be, you got to mind your P's and Q's when it comes to your dosages.

01:24:42.000 Also, like, where are you going?

01:24:43.000 That's so scary for me.

01:24:44.000 Like, I'm like, where is it from?

01:24:45.000 Like, did you just go to the cow pasture?

01:24:47.000 Because that's like what teenagers did when I heard they were doing mushrooms.

01:24:51.000 Like, they're like cow tipping and going, you know, I'm from East Texas.

01:24:54.000 Yeah.

01:24:55.000 Well, they definitely found them growing on poop.

01:24:58.000 I mean, that's how all humans originally probably discovered psilocybin.

01:25:02.000 They found them on cow poop.

01:25:04.000 Yeah.

01:25:04.000 But the thing about that, though, is like you got to get them from somebody who knows what they're doing because they're all different.

01:25:13.000 And you can get some that are crazy strong.

01:25:16.000 Like there's some out there that'll knock you into another universe.

01:25:21.000 So what are you doing?

01:25:22.000 Are you just eating a cap?

01:25:23.000 Are you paying attention to the are you getting them in pill form?

01:25:26.000 Who are you getting them from?

01:25:27.000 Like I have a friend who gets them from a friend.

01:25:31.000 And I was like, whoa, that's a good one.

01:25:33.000 Who's the guy that you've not seen these things get packaged?

01:25:36.000 Get the fuck out of here.

01:25:37.000 A little shady.

01:25:39.000 Super sketch.

01:25:40.000 Super sketch.

01:25:41.000 And it's like marijuana edibles before the legality in California.

01:25:47.000 When it was medical, it was crazy.

01:25:50.000 Because now, because of the regulations in California, I think the most they can make them is 10 milligrams, which is normal.

01:25:57.000 It's a normal dose.

01:25:59.000 But before that, when it was medical, like it became medical in the 90s, they would make 500 milligram Chiba chews.

01:26:08.000 These things that like, they're 500 milligrams, which is insane.

01:26:12.000 It puts you in another dimension.

01:26:13.000 I never even heard of that.

01:26:15.000 They're so strong.

01:26:17.000 And my friend Joey, who's a real demon, Joey used to take the wrapper off of 25 milligram ones and give people a 500 milligram one instead.

01:26:27.000 Oh, he's a real demon.

01:26:30.000 And he would just laugh because he could tolerate insane doses.

01:26:35.000 So he would give people like preposterous amounts.

01:26:38.000 I have a songwriter friend, and I love her dearly, but whatever she says, do this, I'm like, do a quarter of that, whatever that is to the public.

01:26:46.000 Do yourself a service.

01:26:48.000 Do a quarter of that.

01:26:50.000 Some people have ridiculous tolerances.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.

01:26:52.000 For marijuana.

01:26:54.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 For anything.

01:26:55.000 I'm just over here taking a Lucy from a random dude.

01:27:00.000 It's only four milligrams.

01:27:01.000 It's minor.

01:27:03.000 It wasn't that bad, right?

01:27:05.000 I would never like the nine, I would have told you, expected that quick.

01:27:08.000 It's a lot.

01:27:09.000 I have 12s.

01:27:09.000 That's a lot.

01:27:11.000 What do you use those for?

01:27:12.000 Real busy days?

01:27:13.000 I don't like them.

01:27:14.000 They jolt me too much, but I have them.

01:27:16.000 This is just because Lucy sent them to me.

01:27:18.000 But I think the right dose is three or four.

01:27:20.000 That's the right.

01:27:21.000 It's just a little pick me up.

01:27:22.000 Just a little.

01:27:24.000 Not the cracked out, not the cracked out soccer bomb.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, not the cracked out.

01:27:27.000 Not at all.

01:27:28.000 I've never tried Adderall.

01:27:29.000 I'm scared of it.

01:27:30.000 I want to try it one day because I'm scared of it.

01:27:33.000 Because I'm like, I need to know what everybody's fussing about.

01:27:36.000 Because everybody I know that's tried it is like, don't try it.

01:27:38.000 You'll love it.

01:27:39.000 You'll love it.

01:27:39.000 You'll fucking love it.

01:27:40.000 It is focus.

01:27:41.000 I mean, it is.

01:27:42.000 It really hones in.

01:27:43.000 I have a buddy of mine, and his wife told him to stop because he was snorting it because he was writing.

01:27:48.000 That's insane.

01:27:49.000 He's like, that's the best way to get it real quick.

01:27:51.000 And he was like to his wife.

01:27:52.000 He's like, why do you care how I do it?

01:27:53.000 She's like, you're snorting drugs while the kids are asleep.

01:27:57.000 He's like, okay.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, it's a little far, dude.

01:28:00.000 Slow your roll.

01:28:01.000 He's not an addict, though.

01:28:02.000 He just, he just feels.

01:28:04.000 He's not an addict.

01:28:04.000 He's not an addict, though.

01:28:05.000 He felt like he had to snort to really get the most out of it.

01:28:09.000 Well, everybody, like you said, everybody's trying to find something.

01:28:12.000 Because I think if you take it as a pill, it probably takes like an hour before it kicks in, and he didn't have an hour.

01:28:17.000 So he's like, I have a deadline.

01:28:21.000 Because your friend that disappears, does he like have, he doesn't have phone, no digital, no?

01:28:21.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 No, nothing.

01:28:27.000 I wonder if that digital detox is like one of the hardest ones, I feel like.

01:28:30.000 It's got to be the hardest.

01:28:32.000 Yeah.

01:28:32.000 I've done social media detoxes for multiple days, and you genuinely feel better.

01:28:38.000 And then you go, why am I doing this to myself?

01:28:41.000 Where I don't do this all the time.

01:28:43.000 Something that's annoying, if I can just say it, is that like when people do take a break from social media, that's like all they tell you about the whole time.

01:28:51.000 Well, I'm on a break from social media.

01:28:52.000 I'm like, can you be on a break without telling anybody that you're on a break from social media?

01:28:57.000 Right.

01:28:57.000 They have to tell you how virtuous they are.

01:29:00.000 I am actually going to break social media, unlike you.

01:29:03.000 Why?

01:29:03.000 Cool, bro.

01:29:04.000 You, you little addict.

01:29:06.000 Scrolling through cat videos.

01:29:07.000 Doom scrolling.

01:29:08.000 Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling.

01:29:11.000 Yeah, it's like people who do yoga.

01:29:13.000 They can't shut the fuck up about it.

01:29:15.000 Yeah.

01:29:15.000 Or people with like a special, special, like a special diet.

01:29:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:29:19.000 Oh, you're hearing about it.

01:29:21.000 You're hearing about it.

01:29:22.000 Vegans are the worst.

01:29:23.000 You're going to hear about it.

01:29:24.000 They're the absolute worst.

01:29:25.000 Like, no one has ever met a vegan that didn't tell them they're vegan.

01:29:29.000 It doesn't happen.

01:29:30.000 They always tell you.

01:29:31.000 They work it into a conversation.

01:29:31.000 Never, not.

01:29:33.000 Eventually, they'll let you know how virtuous they are.

01:29:35.000 It's like just, you can, you can not eat meat and not tell anyone.

01:29:39.000 Yeah.

01:29:40.000 Just shh.

01:29:41.000 Do it as a spiritual growth.

01:29:43.000 Like, just like as a good person.

01:29:44.000 It's your little secret with yourself.

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 Your little secret with yourself is you're not on social media.

01:29:51.000 So don't tell me.

01:29:52.000 My favorite is people who are on social media making fun of people that are on social media because there's a lot of like really not self-aware people.

01:30:01.000 They're like mocking people that spend all their time on social media while they're making videos on social media.

01:30:06.000 that's rich it overwhelms me honestly I'm trying to, you can't keep up with it.

01:30:13.000 So I just try, I don't try to keep up with it.

01:30:16.000 Like, I was just talking on the way here.

01:30:17.000 I was like, maybe I need to get on TikTok.

01:30:20.000 It's like, there's a lot of music on TikTok.

01:30:22.000 Like, there's a lot of musicians.

01:30:23.000 And, like, we have a label now called Big Loud Texas.

01:30:27.000 Our office is in Austin.

01:30:28.000 And I'm like, I know there's amazing talent on there.

01:30:30.000 And one of our flagship artists, Dylan Gossett, posted something awesome on there.

01:30:35.000 And now he's out there crushing it.

01:30:37.000 So I feel like I'm missing out.

01:30:38.000 But then I'm like, do I need one more thing?

01:30:41.000 Like, I don't know.

01:30:42.000 It's like this.

01:30:43.000 Do you have an assistant?

01:30:44.000 Battle.

01:30:45.000 And I have a great management team.

01:30:45.000 Yeah.

01:30:46.000 This is great.

01:30:47.000 Get your assistant on TikTok and then tell them to let you know if anything's cool and show it to you.

01:30:52.000 She did that.

01:30:52.000 And we signed a guy.

01:30:53.000 The same as Ashley Hambert.

01:30:55.000 You got it.

01:30:55.000 That's what I was doing.

01:30:56.000 That way you don't have to be on it.

01:30:56.000 So perfect.

01:30:58.000 So you could avoid it and she'll be a net that catches all the good fish.

01:30:58.000 Right.

01:31:02.000 Cameron, it's all you, girl.

01:31:03.000 Yeah, it's all you, girl.

01:31:05.000 So like she'll catch the good fish.

01:31:07.000 You don't have to go by the river.

01:31:08.000 Just stay off that TikTok river.

01:31:10.000 I need that talk today because we just had that talk on the plane on the way here today.

01:31:14.000 Because it's a rage.

01:31:15.000 I'm scared.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, you should be scared.

01:31:17.000 I'm like, I'm already like, ooh, everything's just a lot of information all the time.

01:31:21.000 I know.

01:31:22.000 For me, it's like a show of force when I leave my phone on the nightstand when I go to the bathroom.

01:31:28.000 It's like, I'm going to take a shit without my phone.

01:31:31.000 Do you tell everybody?

01:31:32.000 Nope.

01:31:32.000 See, just told you.

01:31:33.000 See, good.

01:31:35.000 See, you're not one of those.

01:31:36.000 I'm on a social media break.

01:31:38.000 No, my wife has like an app on her phone that shows like how long she's been without social media.

01:31:44.000 Like, if you want to go on social media, you have to go into the app, enter a password, and open everything up.

01:31:49.000 I think that's so smart.

01:31:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:51.000 And she showed me the other day.

01:31:52.000 It was like 90 hours.

01:31:53.000 I was like, that must feel so good.

01:31:55.000 She's like, you feel different.

01:31:56.000 You feel different.

01:31:57.000 It's not good for you.

01:31:58.000 Bad for everybody.

01:31:59.000 No, but we need it.

01:32:00.000 But we, for some things, I get it.

01:32:02.000 It's great for artists.

01:32:04.000 It's great to promote your work.

01:32:06.000 It's great for comedians to put clips up.

01:32:08.000 It's great for musicians to put songs out there.

01:32:10.000 It's great.

01:32:11.000 It is great in a lot of ways.

01:32:13.000 I'm so happy it exists.

01:32:15.000 Oh, me too.

01:32:15.000 I was stapling my posters to a phone pole when I started.

01:32:19.000 Wow.

01:32:19.000 Like, I did it old school.

01:32:21.000 Like, boots on the ground, walking up to the radio station, knocking on the door saying, can I play a song?

01:32:26.000 Like, and now.

01:32:27.000 Yes.

01:32:27.000 Really?

01:32:28.000 Like, have you ever seen Loretta Lynn's life story?

01:32:31.000 Have you ever seen Coleman's Daughter?

01:32:32.000 Yes.

01:32:33.000 That.

01:32:33.000 Like, me and my mom with the bologna sandwich and my mom's Ford Expedition, like driving around all over Texas, me going, I'm a singer-songwriter.

01:32:40.000 Like, and now I'm like, dang, I'm jealous of the way that people can do it now.

01:32:45.000 Yeah, but I think you probably developed so much character doing it the way you did it.

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:49.000 I'm thankful for that.

01:32:51.000 But I'm also like, well, damn.

01:32:53.000 These kids, they just post something and like 100 million people see it in a night.

01:32:58.000 Like, what's happening?

01:32:59.000 Well, the problem with that is like sometimes people get famed and not really ready for yet.

01:33:04.000 And I think 100%.

01:33:06.000 Doing what you did and going to bars and then eventually becoming famous after years and years of performing and promoting yourself and getting your chops on stage and really settling into yourself.

01:33:22.000 That is so much better than being like a 20-year-old kid that sits around and comes up with a song.

01:33:27.000 Like, look at Oliver Anthony.

01:33:29.000 Oliver Anthony's a good friend of mine.

01:33:29.000 All right.

01:33:31.000 He was selling fucking farm equipment.

01:33:34.000 He makes that Rich Man North of Richmond song.

01:33:37.000 And all of a sudden he's a giant superstar.

01:33:39.000 And he's like, that's jolting.

01:33:41.000 I had a phone call with him while it was going down.

01:33:46.000 Does he just like help?

01:33:47.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:33:48.000 Yeah, he's like, people are offering me money.

01:33:50.000 I go, don't take any money from anybody.

01:33:52.000 Do not sign with anybody.

01:33:54.000 I go, you don't need anybody.

01:33:55.000 You already did it.

01:33:57.000 All right.

01:33:57.000 You've got talent and you're already famous.

01:33:59.000 You just made a giant hit song.

01:34:01.000 Don't give away any of you.

01:34:03.000 Don't sell it.

01:34:03.000 Yes.

01:34:04.000 You know, he's like, well, they're telling me I got to strike while they are.

01:34:07.000 So I'm like, fuck those people.

01:34:08.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:34:09.000 You could do this again.

01:34:10.000 You can do this again and again and again.

01:34:11.000 And now that you already did it, it's going to be way easier the second time because everybody's going to be waiting to see what you say next.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:17.000 I know.

01:34:18.000 And that's like, also, nobody, you can't learn.

01:34:22.000 It's like you do the journey in reverse.

01:34:26.000 Well, he did the first show he ever did was a giant sold-out, the first time he ever performed live.

01:34:32.000 Giant sold-out show when he was already famous.

01:34:36.000 It's so mind-boggling.

01:34:39.000 I can't even like put it into words.

01:34:41.000 Because I'm thinking like how you get your chops and how you did it fight by fight.

01:34:45.000 You did it stage by stage when during comedy.

01:34:48.000 Like it just happened so fast.

01:34:50.000 And it's like, and then you still have to pay the dues, but it's just backwards.

01:34:55.000 The thing is, though, he paid the dues as a regular blue-collar human being.

01:34:55.000 It's like.

01:35:00.000 He did, for sure.

01:35:01.000 And that's where he developed his character.

01:35:04.000 So that when it all came, he's like, oh, my God, I just stepped into a magic story.

01:35:09.000 Like, he had a regular story.

01:35:09.000 Right.

01:35:11.000 And then all of a sudden, the genie came along and Abracadabra.

01:35:11.000 Right.

01:35:15.000 The internet.

01:35:16.000 And the internet just put that song out there and everybody's like, holy shit, this song's great.

01:35:20.000 And all of a sudden, he's hugely famous.

01:35:22.000 But he had character being a real person.

01:35:25.000 17.

01:35:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:27.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 It scares me.

01:35:29.000 I'm just like, we still got to go do the work now.

01:35:31.000 You still got to start developing who you are now, even though the world already knows who they think you are.

01:35:37.000 It's almost impossible if you start too young.

01:35:37.000 You know?

01:35:40.000 Like, we were talking about that with Michael Jackson the other day.

01:35:43.000 That, like, no one can teach you how to do that, and no one survives that.

01:35:48.000 Everybody who's famous when they're a little kid, they're all fucked up.

01:35:52.000 No one gets it.

01:35:53.000 It comes with a really high cost.

01:35:56.000 You can see it.

01:35:57.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 I always make the analogy that's like you're making cement, but you don't put the right ingredients in and you can't go back and remix it.

01:36:05.000 Like, if you don't put enough water in or you don't put enough sand in, that cement sucks.

01:36:05.000 Right.

01:36:09.000 It's always going to be fucked up.

01:36:11.000 And that's what it's like when you're a kid and you get famous.

01:36:13.000 Like you didn't allow that person to mix correctly.

01:36:17.000 Right.

01:36:17.000 I think that like, that's why I'm glad I, you know, I didn't go to college, but I got to have the learning times of just being 17, 18, 19, 20, like just learning life while playing music, but it was just kind of in some dive bar somewhere.

01:36:36.000 It wasn't in front of people.

01:36:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:38.000 And you get to build your character.

01:36:40.000 You get to figure out who you are.

01:36:42.000 And that's why I think the Down by the River and the TikTok River.

01:36:47.000 I learned two things.

01:36:48.000 I'm going to refer to it as Down by the River and I need to go next door.

01:36:53.000 The TikTok River.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:55.000 It's a raging river, too.

01:36:56.000 That's a scary ass river.

01:36:57.000 That river never stops.

01:36:59.000 It never stops.

01:37:00.000 Which we're thankful for it, too, by the way.

01:37:01.000 Like, I found some great talent and learned some really cool recipes and get to talk about rescue dogs.

01:37:07.000 You know, there's the good things about it.

01:37:09.000 There's great things.

01:37:10.000 It's basically a new element of human civilization that we have to contend with that we've never figured out how to, there's no real like precedent on how to navigate this, especially as a child.

01:37:23.000 No children ever grew up with it before.

01:37:25.000 These are the first children that are growing up with it.

01:37:27.000 And no one can tell them how to do it right.

01:37:27.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 We can just observe what's going wrong with it.

01:37:32.000 It's real sketchy.

01:37:32.000 Yeah.

01:37:33.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 It's real weird.

01:37:36.000 And people say to me, like, do you let your kids on social media?

01:37:39.000 Because they have to be able to handle it and they have to know what it is.

01:37:39.000 I'm like, yes.

01:37:44.000 But also don't do it.

01:37:45.000 One of my daughters, my youngest, also has that same app on her phone.

01:37:49.000 She never goes on social media anymore.

01:37:51.000 She's 15.

01:37:51.000 How old is she?

01:37:52.000 So she stays off of it and she'll watch YouTube.

01:37:56.000 She'll watch YouTube videos and stuff like that.

01:37:57.000 But social media, she's like, it just doesn't.

01:38:00.000 I don't like it.

01:38:02.000 And it gets in the way of school work and it gets in the way of stuff she's doing.

01:38:05.000 So she stays off it.

01:38:06.000 But she's just wise.

01:38:08.000 If I was 15, I'd be fucked.

01:38:10.000 I would have been fucking so dumb.

01:38:12.000 Oh, no.

01:38:13.000 I don't believe that for a second.

01:38:14.000 TikToking all day.

01:38:15.000 I'd have been making all kinds of stupid videos, try to get attention.

01:38:19.000 That's also part of the problem is that kids are doing things just to try to get attention rather than doing things because they really love an art form.

01:38:27.000 They're trying to get better at.

01:38:29.000 Like, if you make a great song and you're 17 years old and it goes viral, at least you're doing a thing.

01:38:37.000 Like you're doing an art thing.

01:38:38.000 100%.

01:38:39.000 You're not just trying to get attention.

01:38:41.000 And there's a lot of people out there that don't have a thing.

01:38:44.000 They're just trying to get attention.

01:38:46.000 If you ask young kids, like, what do you want to do when you grow older?

01:38:50.000 When you grow up, a lot of them, like a giant percentage of them, just want to be famous.

01:38:55.000 I was about to say that.

01:38:55.000 Like, I saw that, whatever that study was, and I read about it.

01:38:58.000 And it was like, but famous for what?

01:39:02.000 Like, you just want to be famous, but what, what skill or what trade or what, like, what are you doing?

01:39:10.000 Just famous.

01:39:11.000 Why?

01:39:11.000 Kim Kardashian.

01:39:13.000 Why?

01:39:13.000 In the world?

01:39:14.000 Like, that sounds awful.

01:39:15.000 Well, because they see cameras going off and people are staring at you, and that's a person.

01:39:20.000 That's an important person.

01:39:22.000 You know, a lot of people just want to be an important person.

01:39:24.000 They want to be a person with the nice stuff.

01:39:26.000 Like, look at the nice house and look at the nice cars and look at the nice watch and the nice this.

01:39:31.000 They just want to be an important person.

01:39:33.000 And the society that they are growing up in shows them that all you have to do is be famous.

01:39:40.000 Yeah.

01:39:40.000 Like Kim Kardashian is one of the most famous people alive.

01:39:43.000 She doesn't do anything.

01:39:44.000 It's not like a thing.

01:39:46.000 Like we can point to, oh, she's like the best.

01:39:49.000 She's the best painter.

01:39:50.000 She's the best singer.

01:39:51.000 Nope.

01:39:52.000 Nothing.

01:39:52.000 Zero.

01:39:53.000 Zero things.

01:39:54.000 Super famous.

01:39:55.000 Worth a billion dollars.

01:39:56.000 And then kids are like, that's what I want her through.

01:39:59.000 Especially if they're dumb.

01:40:00.000 And unfortunately, a lot of people are dumb.

01:40:02.000 And those people never thought they would ever be famous before, but now you can be dumb and famous.

01:40:08.000 I mean, that's a statement.

01:40:09.000 Yeah, dumb.

01:40:10.000 You can be dumb and famous and not be good at anything.

01:40:12.000 Like, maybe you'd be dumb, but you're like the greatest baseball player of all time.

01:40:15.000 That's great.

01:40:16.000 And you're famous.

01:40:17.000 But no, you're dumb and you're famous and you don't do anything.

01:40:20.000 You're not good at a thing.

01:40:22.000 Your thing is just...

01:40:23.000 There's no fulfillment in that, right?

01:40:25.000 I know, right.

01:40:26.000 Right.

01:40:27.000 There can't be.

01:40:28.000 There's not.

01:40:29.000 Even if you're not great at the thing or a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff and you kind of suck at all of it, but you are working on it or whatever.

01:40:37.000 There's fulfillment in that.

01:40:38.000 There's like an accomplishment.

01:40:42.000 Like I paint folk chickens and I'm terrible at it.

01:40:45.000 Little, just folk art chickens.

01:40:45.000 You what?

01:40:47.000 I don't even know why.

01:40:48.000 I have no idea why.

01:40:50.000 And they're not good at all.

01:40:52.000 You make paintings of chickens.

01:40:53.000 I paint them on little canvases.

01:40:54.000 What's a folk chicken?

01:40:55.000 Well, I just call it folk art because it's bad.

01:40:57.000 And when I look up folk art, I'm like, oh, I can do that.

01:41:01.000 Like, some cold art's amazing, but I look up like folk art for beginners and I'll like get inspired.

01:41:05.000 I'll be like, oh, I could do it.

01:41:06.000 I've never heard that genre before.

01:41:08.000 Look it up.

01:41:08.000 It's kind of anything and everything.

01:41:10.000 Jane, will you please look up folk?

01:41:11.000 Folk art.

01:41:12.000 What is the definition of folk art?

01:41:13.000 That kind of stuff.

01:41:15.000 Oh, just kind of reflect the cultural life of community associated with fields of folklore and cultural heritage.

01:41:25.000 It's a 19th-century concept.

01:41:27.000 I don't know anything about it.

01:41:28.000 I just am drawn to it because I think it's cute and fun.

01:41:31.000 Do you have any of your stuff online?

01:41:32.000 No.

01:41:33.000 It's like in my backpack.

01:41:35.000 I'm not going to show anybody.

01:41:36.000 It's like I painted one for my mom.

01:41:38.000 She has to hang it up.

01:41:41.000 Still like mom.

01:41:42.000 She put it in her kitchen.

01:41:45.000 I didn't know that that was it.

01:41:46.000 Show me some more of those images.

01:41:47.000 I didn't know that that was a genre.

01:41:49.000 I had no idea that that was a thing.

01:41:51.000 But I'm terrible at it and I don't know anything about it.

01:41:53.000 And I would like to learn.

01:41:54.000 I want to take some like, I'll look up like YouTube classes or whatever.

01:41:57.000 So it's like, keep it on that.

01:41:59.000 So it's like not realistic.

01:42:01.000 Folk art chicken.

01:42:02.000 Okay, there's a folk art chicken.

01:42:03.000 Let's see.

01:42:04.000 Look, they're so cute.

01:42:05.000 Look how good they are.

01:42:06.000 Okay.

01:42:07.000 Like that one, like that little chunky one in the middle, the black.

01:42:09.000 How about the whimsical red hen above your cursor?

01:42:12.000 That's like I'm only as good as like, go back.

01:42:12.000 Yeah, see?

01:42:15.000 That one.

01:42:16.000 Yeah, that's about.

01:42:17.000 See that one that says whimsical red hen right there above your cursor.

01:42:20.000 Above your cursor chicken.

01:42:20.000 Oh, she's cute.

01:42:21.000 Yeah.

01:42:22.000 Click on it.

01:42:22.000 See, I could like.

01:42:22.000 Yeah.

01:42:26.000 But you like, and I'll go to like YouTube's of teaching me.

01:42:29.000 All that to say, I'm trying something.

01:42:33.000 You think it's great.

01:42:34.000 You're doing different things.

01:42:35.000 Boy, some of these chickens are terrible.

01:42:38.000 How about that one?

01:42:39.000 Hey, it's art.

01:42:40.000 I can't speak ill of that.

01:42:41.000 Chicken like that.

01:42:42.000 Oh, like that chicken.

01:42:43.000 That's that's a that's how I look like for a drone.

01:42:46.000 They're so bad.

01:42:47.000 Put in my yard by China.

01:42:49.000 My husband is probably dying out there that I even brought this up.

01:42:51.000 He's like, are you talking about stupid folk art chickens?

01:42:54.000 So I'm just being there.

01:42:55.000 He's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm painting my chickens right now.

01:42:58.000 Always chickens?

01:42:59.000 I don't know why.

01:43:00.000 I have no idea.

01:43:01.000 It's easy.

01:43:02.000 That's why.

01:43:03.000 Fate.

01:43:04.000 It's fate.

01:43:04.000 You're designed to be the greatest folk artist.

01:43:06.000 That's my next song.

01:43:07.000 Folk artist.

01:43:08.000 Folk art fate.

01:43:10.000 Imagine if that's what it is.

01:43:11.000 Like there's something compelling you to tell the world about chicken folk art.

01:43:16.000 I guess so.

01:43:17.000 Do you have chickens?

01:43:18.000 Yeah, I do have chickens.

01:43:19.000 I love chickens.

01:43:19.000 I have chickens.

01:43:20.000 Chickens are great, right?

01:43:21.000 They're awesome.

01:43:22.000 They're really cute.

01:43:23.000 The ladies.

01:43:24.000 I go in the yard.

01:43:25.000 That's why I call them.

01:43:26.000 I say, hey, ladies.

01:43:27.000 I give them all the scraps.

01:43:28.000 They love everything from the table, like any leftovers.

01:43:32.000 It's funny to watch them, though, because they're like picky.

01:43:34.000 Like the other day, I thought they would eat like leftover breakfast casserole.

01:43:38.000 Wouldn't touch it.

01:43:39.000 Really?

01:43:39.000 But they were all, they didn't eat the biscuits.

01:43:42.000 Chickens don't like biscuits.

01:43:43.000 Well, maybe they know the breakfast casserole is eggs.

01:43:45.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, this lady's fucking nuts.

01:43:48.000 She's trying to turn us into cannibals.

01:43:52.000 Ridiculous.

01:43:54.000 I didn't think about that.

01:43:55.000 Maybe it's like.

01:43:56.000 Oh no, what have I done to my ladies?

01:43:58.000 It might be like a natural reaction to them.

01:44:01.000 I'll tell you what they go crazy for is mice.

01:44:05.000 Have you ever seen?

01:44:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:07.000 Yeah.

01:44:08.000 So this is how I found out.

01:44:10.000 I used to have a house in California that my wife, she changed our back fence.

01:44:16.000 It was a wrought iron fence, and she changed it to glass.

01:44:19.000 And when she did, she signed a death warrant for a bunch of hawks, and they kept slamming into that fucking glass.

01:44:27.000 And like three of them died in our yard, and one of them got KO'd, but survived.

01:44:32.000 And I was on the road, and she had told me about it, and they'd taken this hawk, and they had put it in a box.

01:44:41.000 And when I got back, we got them what's called pinkies.

01:44:45.000 And what pinkies are are these little baby mice that they feed them to lizards and snakes.

01:44:53.000 Like, that's what they're for.

01:44:54.000 Like, when you go to the pet store, they sell you these things.

01:44:57.000 They're not weaned from their mother, and you feed them to snakes.

01:44:59.000 I know it's dark.

01:45:00.000 So they bought a bunch of them and fed this hawk these little baby mice, and it ate all of them except one.

01:45:08.000 And my daughters were very young at the time.

01:45:10.000 And they're like, we want to keep that mouse.

01:45:12.000 We want to raise it.

01:45:13.000 I'm like, honey, you can't.

01:45:14.000 It's not going to live.

01:45:15.000 Like, it's not weaned from its mother.

01:45:17.000 It won't survive.

01:45:19.000 I go, I'm just going to go see if the chickens will eat it.

01:45:23.000 I put this thing down, and these chickens attacked like they were raptors from Jurassic Park.

01:45:30.000 One chicken grabbed it, and they all chased her around.

01:45:33.000 They were snatching.

01:45:34.000 What can you say?

01:45:38.000 They are so ferocious.

01:45:39.000 Like, you've never seen anything like a chicken with a mouse.

01:45:42.000 I've never heard this in my life.

01:45:43.000 I'm going to show you a video.

01:45:45.000 And this video is a little bit different.

01:45:46.000 There's a bunch of videos of cats with mice.

01:45:49.000 So this is a mouse.

01:45:51.000 And look at these chickens.

01:45:52.000 My God.

01:45:53.000 They just kill this mouse.

01:45:55.000 And look, they all attack each other, trying to steal the mouse away from the one chicken.

01:45:58.000 They eat it?

01:45:59.000 Oh, they eat it quick.

01:46:00.000 Yeah, they devour it.

01:46:03.000 So there's another mouse in there that they don't know about yet.

01:46:05.000 So see, there's one with a cat.

01:46:07.000 So the cat is playing with the mouse.

01:46:10.000 Like, you know, cats don't kill it.

01:46:12.000 They want to play.

01:46:13.000 And this chicken just runs over and snatches it from the cat.

01:46:16.000 I have never heard this my life.

01:46:16.000 Like, fuck.

01:46:18.000 Look, the cat has a mouse, and chicken's like, give me that bitch.

01:46:20.000 They just go, look, it's got a mouse.

01:46:22.000 And the cat's like, Jesus Christ, you guys are psychos.

01:46:26.000 Well, who knew?

01:46:27.000 Yeah, well, because they're dinosaurs.

01:46:29.000 That's who they are.

01:46:31.000 They're just dinosaurs that are really small that survived the impact of the asteroid.

01:46:35.000 I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's why chickens, I'm called to paint my full chicken.

01:46:39.000 You just don't realize how ruthless they are.

01:46:41.000 I've never heard this in my life.

01:46:42.000 This is blowing up.

01:46:43.000 I'm country as a pumpkin.

01:46:44.000 And I've never heard this.

01:46:46.000 They destroy mice.

01:46:47.000 Dang.

01:46:48.000 Destroy them.

01:46:49.000 They tear them apart.

01:46:49.000 They love them.

01:46:51.000 Well, I'm not going to go do that, but I'm glad I know that now.

01:46:54.000 Like nothing I've ever seen before.

01:46:55.000 We also saw a mouse that got loose in the chicken coop once.

01:46:59.000 We had a big chicken coop, and a mouse went in there, and I saw these chickens just tear that mouse away from it.

01:47:03.000 Well, then my breakfast casserole is not offensive to them.

01:47:07.000 They're just like eating their own babies.

01:47:10.000 They're not, we don't have a rooster.

01:47:12.000 Well, I know, but they don't know that.

01:47:14.000 You know, they brood sometimes.

01:47:15.000 I know.

01:47:16.000 I just let them sometimes, and I'm like, well, I just like, sometimes they look at me like, let me just sit on this.

01:47:21.000 I'm like, okay, you can have it.

01:47:23.000 That's your egg count.

01:47:24.000 Yeah, but they pluck their feathers out.

01:47:26.000 I know, they get real, it makes you sad.

01:47:29.000 It's like they want to be a mommy.

01:47:30.000 They do.

01:47:31.000 You don't let them.

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:32.000 We had a rooster once, but he did not last.

01:47:34.000 I do not enjoy having roosters.

01:47:36.000 They're rooster.

01:47:37.000 They're missing motherfuckers.

01:47:38.000 Yeah, I attack my wife, and she's like, we're done.

01:47:40.000 My attack me.

01:47:41.000 I'm out.

01:47:41.000 I'm a rooster.

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 They're assholes.

01:47:45.000 But they're doing it because they're trying to protect their hens.

01:47:48.000 Like, they don't know that you're okay.

01:47:51.000 They just think this big fucking thing is moving around their hens.

01:47:55.000 Like, this giant person.

01:47:56.000 They're also mean to the hens.

01:47:57.000 Real mean.

01:47:58.000 They're mean.

01:47:58.000 Brutal.

01:47:59.000 Ripping their feathers out.

01:48:00.000 I'm like, I can't do it.

01:48:01.000 Yeah, they're nasty.

01:48:02.000 How many do y'all have chickens?

01:48:03.000 We have 15, 15 or 16.

01:48:07.000 They'll name them?

01:48:08.000 Yes.

01:48:09.000 I don't name them, but my daughter and my wife names them.

01:48:12.000 But the rooster, we only let him got, he got to maturity, and then we gave him to a friend.

01:48:19.000 We're like, this motherfucker can't.

01:48:21.000 I was going to kill him.

01:48:22.000 They're mean.

01:48:23.000 Yeah, he attacked me.

01:48:24.000 I went into the, I was like, you just got to show him who's boss.

01:48:27.000 And he's like, no, no.

01:48:29.000 I'll attack you too, bitch.

01:48:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:48:31.000 He attacked me, and I was like, bitch, I will fucking kill you.

01:48:33.000 And so to avoid killing him, I gave him away.

01:48:36.000 Because I was totally ready to kill him.

01:48:36.000 Well, that's nice.

01:48:38.000 Because when I'd go in there, he'd face off against me and just leap at me and attack me.

01:48:43.000 My mom attacked me too, and dad dealt with it.

01:48:45.000 I don't know what happened to him, but dad dealt with it.

01:48:47.000 Soup.

01:48:48.000 Turned him into soup.

01:48:50.000 That's the thing about roosters, too.

01:48:51.000 I guess you can't just outright eat them.

01:48:53.000 They're really tough.

01:48:55.000 So if you do kill them, you got to either slow cook them or turn them into soup.

01:49:00.000 Well, we probably did.

01:49:03.000 He didn't tell me.

01:49:04.000 I had a landscaper back when I lived in LA who used to fight chickens.

01:49:08.000 And he took me over his place.

01:49:09.000 I hate that.

01:49:10.000 It was crazy.

01:49:11.000 I hate it.

01:49:12.000 He had like 100, 100 roosters.

01:49:14.000 We have done some boxers.

01:49:16.000 My nation has done.

01:49:17.000 We're not just, we don't just help dogs.

01:49:18.000 We help all animals, but dogs are focused.

01:49:20.000 But like, we've helped break up some chicken rings.

01:49:23.000 It's kind of crazy that's still around.

01:49:26.000 It's awful.

01:49:27.000 There's some, it's always out.

01:49:28.000 Like, we have a farm in Tennessee, and there's a whole this whole farm, like down the road, and it's they keep them in tiny cages.

01:49:36.000 I just hate it.

01:49:37.000 And every time we report them, every time they just pay the fine, you know what I mean?

01:49:41.000 Well, it's a part of the culture.

01:49:43.000 And they all gamble on it.

01:49:43.000 That's the problem.

01:49:45.000 I know.

01:49:45.000 He was Mexican and you know from Mexico.

01:49:48.000 And he had all these friends that lived in this neighborhood where he lived in.

01:49:53.000 Like, you might as well have been in Mexico.

01:49:54.000 It was crazy.

01:49:55.000 Everything was in Spanish.

01:49:56.000 And when I went over his place, it's like his buddy, we went over his buddy's place.

01:50:00.000 His buddy had like a hundred cages in the backyard in a pit where they would take the roosters.

01:50:06.000 Yeah.

01:50:07.000 And they put spurs on them.

01:50:08.000 It's so terrible.

01:50:09.000 I mean, knives on their claws.

01:50:11.000 We try to like, we got to be part of like some of the, but when you confiscate like that many mean, I mean, you can't reintroduce them into the world.

01:50:23.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:50:24.000 They're taught to be mean.

01:50:26.000 They're bred for that.

01:50:28.000 And they'll bread, they'll breed champion roosters from champion other roosters.

01:50:28.000 Yeah.

01:50:34.000 Let's just stick to our little backyard hens.

01:50:36.000 How about that?

01:50:37.000 Yeah.

01:50:37.000 It's just, it's a weird thing because like their culture has been they fight them and then they take the loser and they cook them.

01:50:44.000 Yeah.

01:50:45.000 And you know, he was making it seem like it was no big deal.

01:50:47.000 And it was like to them was their gambling recreation.

01:50:50.000 They would all gather around and guys would come from long distances to bring their chickens to fight.

01:50:55.000 I hate it.

01:50:56.000 Yeah.

01:50:57.000 To me, it doesn't freak me out as much as dog fighting.

01:51:01.000 Dog fighting drives me nuts.

01:51:03.000 Because pit bulls are the they're look, they're very dangerous because they have a very high prey drive and they often don't confuse children with other animals.

01:51:13.000 They don't.

01:51:14.000 But as pets, they are the most loyal, the most loving, sweetest, kind.

01:51:22.000 They love you to death.

01:51:23.000 They love you so much, but there's so many bad ones and so many ones that are raised just to fight.

01:51:30.000 And that part of our culture, that part of society, like the underground dog fighting part is like, how can you do that to a dog?

01:51:39.000 Like, how can you do that to the best animals?

01:51:41.000 The sum of the earth is what it is.

01:51:44.000 I feel like I have some friends that are huge into pit bull rescue.

01:51:48.000 And when they're either rehabilitated or just they get a bad rap period, right?

01:51:53.000 Like, like say any metro shelter you go to, it's 90% pit bulls because people are afraid.

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 But they're, they get such a bad reputation, but there are some amazing pities that weren't ever in the fighting rings.

01:52:07.000 They're just overbred and you know, taking it out of a confiscation of a hoarding situation or breaking up the fighting rings.

01:52:14.000 And it's the mama dog that's just been having puppies.

01:52:17.000 And like, I just wish people would at least open their minds and hearts to like, there are some amazing pities out there or pity mixes, you know.

01:52:25.000 There are, but they're also very dangerous.

01:52:27.000 I get it.

01:52:28.000 I know they are.

01:52:31.000 I think you're they have to be vetted.

01:52:33.000 It has to be a well-vetted shelter or adoption, you know.

01:52:37.000 But the problem is, oftentimes, you don't know their behavior until they're around other dogs.

01:52:40.000 Like I've had dogs that were great around people, and then I'd get them around any dog and their hackles would go up and they immediately wanted to fight.

01:52:40.000 Yeah.

01:52:47.000 And you're like, oh, God.

01:52:48.000 And then you're the asshole because your dog is like pulling on the leash and you're like, I'm sorry.

01:52:53.000 Let me get him out of here.

01:52:54.000 I know.

01:52:54.000 Right.

01:52:55.000 They're dangerous.

01:52:56.000 They're dangerous in that regard because they really are bred to fight.

01:52:59.000 And I think it takes a special household and owner too to really kind of handle a dog like that.

01:53:05.000 100%.

01:53:06.000 Our best friends, Gwen, she's in my band, and her and her husband are longtime pit bull rescue family.

01:53:12.000 And they just know how to deal with them.

01:53:15.000 And they come around our dogs.

01:53:17.000 They're fine.

01:53:17.000 Everything's fine.

01:53:18.000 But it's definitely an alpha male.

01:53:21.000 Like they kind of show him who's boss right away.

01:53:23.000 And they sort of understand the food chain of the house.

01:53:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:28.000 Yeah, there's dogs that are great dogs, but they just need a lot of attention.

01:53:32.000 Like if you have a German Shepherd or a Belgian Malamois, you got to give those things something to do.

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 You got to know what kind of breed you're getting.

01:53:40.000 Like, I feel like people, I always preach adopt, don't shop, but I still think you, within the adoption, like really need to go, I'm going to spend some time with this dog.

01:53:48.000 I'm going to talk to its foster family.

01:53:50.000 I'm going to foster it just to really understand what kind of breed you're getting.

01:53:54.000 If you want a lazy, cuddly thing, but still protect or get a peyeronese.

01:54:00.000 Like, just know what you're getting.

01:54:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:02.000 Like, just understand, like, as my household ready, because there's a lot of the, what breaks my heart the most is the, like, owner surrenders and the returns at the shelters.

01:54:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:12.000 It's like, you didn't think through what you were doing.

01:54:16.000 The dog already thought it had a home, and now you're bringing them back.

01:54:18.000 Right, because you wanted a lazy dog, and you got a cow dog, and it needs to run.

01:54:23.000 Great Pyrenees are great because they're kind of a combination of, like, a lab and a protector dog.

01:54:28.000 They're a great little balance.

01:54:29.000 Like, I have a friend who has a Pyrenees, and it's like such a good dog.

01:54:29.000 Yeah.

01:54:33.000 And he's like, listen, man, if coyotes come around here, this fucking dog.

01:54:37.000 He soaks them up.

01:54:38.000 Yep.

01:54:39.000 I go, really?

01:54:40.000 He goes, like, oh, yeah.

01:54:41.000 Like, you ain't never seen a change of personality like this dog when it sees a coyote.

01:54:46.000 But then they're like laid up on the couch with their legs in the air.

01:54:48.000 Sweetest.

01:54:49.000 Just run my battery.

01:54:50.000 It's the best.

01:54:52.000 Like, I have a golden who's, he's the best, unless you're a squirrel.

01:54:55.000 And then he's, these hell.

01:54:58.000 That he's a demon.

01:54:59.000 He's a squirrel killer.

01:55:00.000 But other than that, he's the sweetest boy.

01:55:03.000 He's just so nice to everybody.

01:55:04.000 Everybody who comes over to the house, like, you're my best friend.

01:55:07.000 Goldens are the best.

01:55:08.000 They're so sweet.

01:55:09.000 But I love them all.

01:55:10.000 I love them.

01:55:10.000 We have a Chihuahua.

01:55:12.000 I mean, you're getting a Chihuahua.

01:55:14.000 You know what you're getting.

01:55:17.000 Mean as hell.

01:55:19.000 And nervous.

01:55:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:55:21.000 She's 16 and blind, and she still tries to bite.

01:55:21.000 So mean.

01:55:24.000 She don't know where you are, but she's like, but I could get you.

01:55:27.000 16 is old.

01:55:28.000 And blind as a bat.

01:55:30.000 Oh, my God.

01:55:31.000 Seen your dog house over here.

01:55:32.000 Have you had her since she was a baby?

01:55:33.000 Yep.

01:55:34.000 Doctor from a shelter when she was like eight weeks old.

01:55:34.000 Wow.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 We got two seniors now.

01:55:39.000 I've lost, I was crazy dog lady when my husband met me and I had eight rescues.

01:55:45.000 Like, it seems crazy now, but I have farm and land, and three were peering, two golden mixes, and then three little, I don't know what's.

01:55:55.000 And I've lost one every year for six years.

01:55:57.000 And so after this, we have two seniors left.

01:55:59.000 And my husband's like, my heart can't take this.

01:56:01.000 Like, he never had dogs growing up.

01:56:03.000 He loves dogs, but he was like, this is awful.

01:56:05.000 Like, ever since we met, we've lost one because they're stair-step in age.

01:56:09.000 And so I'm like, I need to, my heart needs a break a little bit.

01:56:13.000 It's hard.

01:56:14.000 It's hard when they die.

01:56:14.000 Yeah.

01:56:15.000 It's like, it's so hard.

01:56:18.000 You're so close to them and they only lived to be sent to the house.

01:56:20.000 Not long or 13 and then it's over.

01:56:23.000 They're like put here to show us true love.

01:56:25.000 I know.

01:56:26.000 They really are.

01:56:27.000 Meanwhile, what they are is we took wolves and turned them into bitches.

01:56:27.000 Meanwhile, they're not.

01:56:31.000 That's what really, really would happen.

01:56:34.000 Like I have a King Charles Spaniel.

01:56:37.000 You know, one of those.

01:56:38.000 He's the sweetest.

01:56:39.000 That's Charlie?

01:56:41.000 Charlie.

01:56:42.000 He is the sweetest.

01:56:43.000 He's so cute.

01:56:44.000 You pick him up, he just kisses your face.

01:56:46.000 He's just so adorable.

01:56:47.000 That was a wolf.

01:56:49.000 At one time, someone took a wolf and turned that wolf into a bitch.

01:56:54.000 And like, you're not enough of a bitch.

01:56:56.000 Let me turn you into more of a bitch.

01:56:57.000 And more floppy.

01:56:59.000 Now we have burnadoodles.

01:57:03.000 It's so weird what humans have done to dogs that we've created all these totally helpless little tiny breeds.

01:57:12.000 I know.

01:57:12.000 It's weird.

01:57:13.000 Shihhtzus and all these little tiny things.

01:57:17.000 But they're all amazing and there's plenty at the shelter that y'all should go check out.

01:57:21.000 Look, they're amazing.

01:57:22.000 I love them.

01:57:23.000 But it is a weird thing that we've done.

01:57:25.000 I know.

01:57:25.000 Because they all used to be wolves at one point in time.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 That's got to be the weirdest transformation of an animal by human interaction.

01:57:36.000 I wonder how, I just wonder who, like, the first one to do it.

01:57:38.000 Like, well, do we know?

01:57:40.000 They think it was just like cavemen by the fire, and wolves would come around and they had killed something and they'd throw them a bone.

01:57:47.000 And the relationship became the wolves would let them know if intruders were coming.

01:57:51.000 Right.

01:57:51.000 And then eventually they softened to the point where they could like sleep with these people.

01:57:57.000 So they were like household animals or at least stay around the house.

01:58:01.000 And they trusted them to protect their children.

01:58:04.000 And then, you know, then they developed different breeds that were better at like herding sheep.

01:58:09.000 Yeah.

01:58:09.000 Because you got to think, like, most wolves killed sheep.

01:58:12.000 So all of a sudden you could teach a dog to like make sure the sheep don't get killed by wolves, which is nuts.

01:58:12.000 Yeah.

01:58:17.000 It's nuts.

01:58:18.000 And it's incredible to watch.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 And watching dogs like bird dogs.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:23.000 It's one of my favorite.

01:58:24.000 And also like the canine units, they blow my mind like the things these dogs can do and the stamina they have.

01:58:30.000 And, you know, I think the biggest freak dog that's ever been created is the Belgian Melanois.

01:58:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:35.000 That is a fucking crazy dog.

01:58:37.000 When you see them run up walls and fly through the city.

01:58:39.000 They're insane.

01:58:40.000 But like that's one of the dogs where you're like, you need to know what you're getting.

01:58:43.000 You need like a dude that can run with this dog.

01:58:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:46.000 All day.

01:58:47.000 And you can't leave him alone.

01:58:48.000 And you can't like, hey, man, can you watch my dog?

01:58:50.000 I'm going to be gone for a week.

01:58:51.000 Like, nu-uh.

01:58:52.000 Uh-uh.

01:58:53.000 Don't fucking dog.

01:58:55.000 That dog's coming with you, bitch.

01:58:56.000 Exactly.

01:58:58.000 You need to.

01:58:59.000 That dog's watching you.

01:59:00.000 That dog needs activity.

01:59:00.000 Yeah.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, have you ever seen the video of the difference between the way a German shepherd approaches an assailant versus a Belgian Malamois?

01:59:08.000 No.

01:59:09.000 So they do these drills where they have a bunch of chairs in a room.

01:59:12.000 And the German shepherd runs around the chairs to try to get to the guy who's got the bite suit on.

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 The Belgian Malamois goes over all the chairs.

01:59:20.000 Just like flies through the air, barely touching the chairs.

01:59:24.000 Watch this.

01:59:24.000 So here's the shepherd.

01:59:25.000 See how the shepherd runs around and he's like, I'm going to get you.

01:59:28.000 I'm going to get you.

01:59:29.000 And he finds you and he bites you.

01:59:30.000 Watch the Belgian Malamois.

01:59:32.000 As soon as they let him go, he's like, fuck these chairs.

01:59:34.000 Right over them.

01:59:35.000 That's incredible.

01:59:36.000 They're just meat missiles.

01:59:38.000 They're meat missiles.

01:59:40.000 They're designed to go fuck things up.

01:59:43.000 That's their task all day long.

01:59:44.000 And they're crazy smart.

01:59:46.000 They're really smart.

01:59:47.000 It's intimidating.

01:59:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:49.000 They look at you like a raptor in Jurassic Park.

01:59:51.000 They're like checking you out.

01:59:52.000 Yeah.

01:59:52.000 What are we doing?

01:59:53.000 Am I killing you?

01:59:54.000 Or are you just one of my dad's shit?

01:59:56.000 That's a perfect, perfect analogy.

01:59:57.000 He's like looking right at you like this.

01:59:59.000 And you're like, can I put it?

02:00:01.000 Or is he at work right now?

02:00:03.000 Yeah.

02:00:03.000 He's working.

02:00:03.000 Yeah.

02:00:04.000 I don't ever pet Malamois unless I know for sure.

02:00:08.000 Yeah.

02:00:08.000 They're just that's a working dog.

02:00:10.000 It's a different thing.

02:00:12.000 Same.

02:00:12.000 You know, I mean, but it's also kind of crazy that they figured out a way to make a dog into that.

02:00:17.000 Like, how do you make a dog into my dog, which is like just a cuddle button?

02:00:22.000 He just, he's just a cuddle bug.

02:00:24.000 He just wants to lie down with you.

02:00:25.000 Like, today we're watching TV.

02:00:27.000 He just cuddles up.

02:00:28.000 He's like, got his head in my lap, and I'm petting him.

02:00:30.000 We're watching TV.

02:00:31.000 He's like so happy.

02:00:34.000 The only one I think about in my house that used to be a wolf is Machihawa because she's the meat.

02:00:39.000 That is a wolf.

02:00:39.000 How ironic.

02:00:40.000 That's so funny.

02:00:42.000 But it's just so crazy that they figured out a way to make a wolf into a thing that protects animals from wolves.

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 Nuts.

02:00:48.000 I didn't think about it like that.

02:00:49.000 I mean, some of them.

02:00:50.000 Have you ever seen that?

02:00:51.000 What is that shepherd dog, that crazy giant one from Russia?

02:00:56.000 What is it?

02:00:57.000 That enormous, what is it called?

02:00:58.000 Not from Russia.

02:01:00.000 It's like a mountain shepherd.

02:01:02.000 It looks like a werewolf.

02:01:04.000 And it's got really crazy thick hair because of the climate that it lives in.

02:01:09.000 But it's like 200 pounds.

02:01:10.000 Like this enormous thing that protects Caucasian Shepherd.

02:01:14.000 That's it.

02:01:14.000 Caucasian Shepherd.

02:01:15.000 It literally looks like a werewolf.

02:01:17.000 Like the werewolf that we have out front, the American werewolf in London.

02:01:20.000 That's scary.

02:01:20.000 That's what it looks like.

02:01:21.000 And they just protect.

02:01:22.000 Look at that.

02:01:23.000 Oh, I've seen those.

02:01:24.000 I just didn't know what they're called.

02:01:25.000 That's crazy.

02:01:26.000 See if you can find one that's doing bite work.

02:01:28.000 But look, that one looks sweet.

02:01:30.000 Unless you break into the house.

02:01:30.000 Yeah.

02:01:35.000 I mean, that thing's crazy.

02:01:36.000 Google Caucasian Shepherd training.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, or bite.

02:01:42.000 Oh, God.

02:01:42.000 Right there.

02:01:43.000 That does look like the thing in the frozen.

02:01:44.000 That's fake.

02:01:45.000 That's one like pretending to.

02:01:45.000 But look at the size.

02:01:47.000 See, there's one that's doing bite work, though, in that other image.

02:01:53.000 That's the word for them.

02:01:55.000 It's like a word of charka.

02:01:59.000 Like, that is a big ass dog.

02:02:02.000 And that's another dog that they use to protect against wolves.

02:02:08.000 Look at the size of that sucker.

02:02:10.000 It's huge.

02:02:13.000 So, what are they doing here?

02:02:14.000 They're Russian?

02:02:14.000 Where are they?

02:02:16.000 That looks like they're transporting it.

02:02:18.000 Training YouTube channel.

02:02:20.000 They're training it.

02:02:20.000 Oh, okay.

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:22.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 With a big bag of shitty dog food.

02:02:25.000 Wolf killers.

02:02:26.000 That dog food that people buy.

02:02:28.000 That stuff's so terrible.

02:02:28.000 I know.

02:02:30.000 You do farmer's dog.

02:02:31.000 Uh-huh.

02:02:31.000 Me too.

02:02:32.000 Yeah.

02:02:33.000 We started off with another company called Maeve, which is great, is frozen.

02:02:37.000 But just the way he eats farmer's dog, the way they eat it, it must taste way better.

02:02:42.000 And it's the same kind of thing.

02:02:44.000 It's real food.

02:02:45.000 You get it frozen.

02:02:45.000 It's frozen.

02:02:47.000 You thaw it out and feed it to him.

02:02:49.000 When he's ready to eat, he devours it.

02:02:53.000 Devours it.

02:02:54.000 I had to start that with my senior dogs because they just had all kinds of things, you know, and everybody had ailments and needed pills and everything else.

02:03:02.000 And I was just like, all right, we're just going to do the expensive dog food.

02:03:05.000 But I had three Pyrenees rescues, two golden mixes, and like three littler dogs.

02:03:11.000 I'm like, this is like $700 a batch for all y'all to eat.

02:03:16.000 So I started making it for a while, too.

02:03:17.000 Like, I would just make like ground turkey.

02:03:19.000 Oh, that's great.

02:03:21.000 But I just couldn't keep up with it.

02:03:22.000 So, I mean, farmer's dog is what we used to.

02:03:24.000 Well, it's definitely way better than regular dog food because way better.

02:03:27.000 Anything that can sit on a shelf can't be good for you.

02:03:30.000 It just can't.

02:03:31.000 It's filled with preservatives, and that's not good.

02:03:33.000 Us living on Cheetos, I feel like.

02:03:35.000 Exactly.

02:03:35.000 But sometimes I want to eat them.

02:03:37.000 Sometimes.

02:03:39.000 I love them.

02:03:40.000 Yeah.

02:03:41.000 Like if you were stuck in a cabin for a week and you couldn't get out and there's an unlimited supply of Cheetos in the cabin, you're going to live.

02:03:47.000 Right.

02:03:48.000 But you're not going to feel real good.

02:03:50.000 No.

02:03:51.000 People are always like, what's on your rider?

02:03:52.000 I'm like, Cheetos and Cheetos.

02:03:53.000 It's kind of all I need.

02:03:55.000 That's your rider?

02:03:55.000 Said it?

02:03:56.000 Cheetos?

02:03:59.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:01.000 Some people have waxed.

02:04:02.000 What's on your rider?

02:04:03.000 Not much.

02:04:04.000 I have like a cheese tray, maybe.

02:04:06.000 Yeah, I have a meat tray, a meat tray.

02:04:10.000 When I was drinking, it was we would definitely have like some whiskey on there and maybe like a bottle of wine.

02:04:20.000 But I really don't drink anymore.

02:04:21.000 Not that I, yeah.

02:04:23.000 This is like, I wasn't an alcoholic, so it's not like I can't drink.

02:04:27.000 Like I had a glass of wine with dinner the other night, but it's not, I don't drink anymore.

02:04:32.000 Like I don't, like, I would go to my comedy club with my friends or we go on the road.

02:04:37.000 I'd have a couple of glasses of this and a couple glasses of that and a margarita at dinner.

02:04:42.000 And then the next day I'd feel like shit.

02:04:44.000 And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop.

02:04:47.000 It was just I did.

02:04:48.000 And then one day I was like, I think I'm just going to stop for a while and see how I feel.

02:04:52.000 And I felt so much better.

02:04:55.000 So much better.

02:04:56.000 Because I was drinking like two or three nights a week.

02:04:58.000 Sometimes four.

02:04:59.000 Go out on a date with my wife.

02:05:01.000 I have a couple of drinks.

02:05:02.000 I go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks.

02:05:05.000 Maybe I'd have a drink or two with someone in the studio.

02:05:08.000 Yeah.

02:05:08.000 It just, I mean, I feel like that soap is.

02:05:11.000 I mean, it's just part of it.

02:05:12.000 Like, it's part of our culture.

02:05:14.000 And like, we have to bring the party too.

02:05:17.000 That's the other thing.

02:05:18.000 It's like, how am I supposed to bring the party if I'm not partying with you?

02:05:22.000 Right.

02:05:23.000 That's a problem.

02:05:23.000 You know?

02:05:24.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 That's a problem.

02:05:26.000 Especially in like the honky-tonk days.

02:05:27.000 Like, I came up in like beer joints.

02:05:30.000 I'm talking about like god bars.

02:05:31.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:32.000 And you just start getting in it with people.

02:05:35.000 And then you're on your day off.

02:05:37.000 You're like, oh, we're going to have a nice date and have a drink.

02:05:39.000 It just, it kind of spirals.

02:05:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:41.000 I know.

02:05:42.000 But I love it.

02:05:43.000 I love it.

02:05:44.000 I love red wine.

02:05:44.000 Like, it's my favorite thing.

02:05:46.000 Yeah.

02:05:47.000 I don't hate drinking.

02:05:49.000 I just hate how I feel the next day.

02:05:51.000 But like, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying I'll never do it again.

02:05:55.000 But for now, I'm not doing it anymore.

02:05:58.000 But I'll still have a drink or two.

02:05:59.000 Not even two.

02:06:00.000 Not even two.

02:06:01.000 A drink.

02:06:02.000 Like, I didn't even have a full glass of wine the other night.

02:06:04.000 I had like a half a glass of wine.

02:06:06.000 I'm like, we're good.

02:06:07.000 But like, if somebody has a bottle of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting around talking shit, I want to have a couple of drinks.

02:06:12.000 You're just giving yourself permission to be wherever you are.

02:06:12.000 I might.

02:06:15.000 I'm just trying to be healthier is what it is.

02:06:17.000 And I recognize that if I do all these healthy things for my body, I work out all the time.

02:06:21.000 I eat so well.

02:06:22.000 I take all these vitamins.

02:06:23.000 Like, why am I letting myself get poisoned four nights a week?

02:06:27.000 That seems stupid.

02:06:28.000 Especially with my lifestyle.

02:06:29.000 It's like, it's better.

02:06:31.000 Like, even if I just limit it to one night a week, it's better.

02:06:34.000 But really, it's better.

02:06:35.000 Just not.

02:06:36.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 The reality is it's not good for you.

02:06:39.000 Well, I know.

02:06:39.000 But it's fun.

02:06:40.000 It is fun.

02:06:41.000 It is fun.

02:06:43.000 Catching a buzz is fun.

02:06:44.000 Some of my favorite podcasts we've ever done.

02:06:46.000 Like when we do protect our parks, we get hammered.

02:06:48.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 They're fun.

02:06:49.000 Yeah, I bet.

02:06:51.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 I mean, people aren't doing it because they're stupid.

02:06:54.000 Right.

02:06:54.000 There's a reason why they enjoy being drunk and have for thousands.

02:06:58.000 Thousands of years.

02:06:59.000 Thousands of years.

02:07:01.000 I mean, it's probably responsible for so many relationships starting in the first place.

02:07:05.000 So many people meeting people.

02:07:06.000 So many fun friendships.

02:07:08.000 A lot of the memories, too.

02:07:09.000 It's like on the road, after the shows.

02:07:12.000 When everybody's just really being themselves.

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:15.000 It's also a culturally acceptable drug that most people know how to consume.

02:07:20.000 I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get too drunk or DUI or be an asshole.

02:07:25.000 It's possible, but it's enough of a normal thing that a good percentage of people know when they've had enough.

02:07:32.000 Right.

02:07:32.000 And they know the right dose.

02:07:35.000 You know, you have a couple drinks.

02:07:36.000 Like, I'm good.

02:07:37.000 Yeah.

02:07:37.000 You know, you know where you're at.

02:07:39.000 Whereas any other drug that you're trying today is illegal.

02:07:44.000 And any other drug, it's like, who knows what's going to happen.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 Right.

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:49.000 And if you want to go next door, like really next door, next door.

02:07:53.000 I'm going down the street.

02:07:54.000 You can go down the street with whiskey.

02:07:54.000 Yeah.

02:07:56.000 Go to the margarita.

02:07:57.000 You can go to another town.

02:07:58.000 It's martinis.

02:07:59.000 Like everybody knows, like, do not drink more than two martinis.

02:08:03.000 Are you an insane person?

02:08:05.000 Like, you can't.

02:08:06.000 No one can do that.

02:08:07.000 Everyone should know it.

02:08:08.000 Like, I feel like that's what really.

02:08:10.000 You know, Burt Kreischer?

02:08:11.000 That motherfucker can put some martinis down.

02:08:14.000 Really?

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:15.000 I'm like, two's good.

02:08:17.000 Like, that's straight up.

02:08:18.000 Well, you're smart.

02:08:19.000 Just straight up.

02:08:20.000 I mean, and then have your glass of wine.

02:08:21.000 Whatever you want.

02:08:22.000 Past two.

02:08:23.000 When you see, like, you know, somebody sit at a bar by themselves at like three o'clock and they're, and then you're like, dang, that's their third mark.

02:08:29.000 There's their third martini.

02:08:31.000 They're about to hit the dick.

02:08:32.000 I'm like, something's going to happen later.

02:08:32.000 And they're fine.

02:08:34.000 Something's going to happen later.

02:08:36.000 They probably do it all the time.

02:08:37.000 That's the thing.

02:08:38.000 Yeah.

02:08:38.000 Here's your sign.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 It's supposedly better for you, right?

02:08:42.000 Like, do you drink Tito's, like, a vodka martini?

02:08:42.000 Isn't it?

02:08:45.000 It's probably, is a gin martini the same?

02:08:48.000 I'm a Tito's and Topo gal.

02:08:48.000 I don't know.

02:08:50.000 Tito's and Topo.

02:08:52.000 They say that clear liquor is better for you, right?

02:08:55.000 Don't they say that?

02:08:56.000 I don't know.

02:08:57.000 We've made excuses for every single thing we want to do today.

02:09:01.000 Tequila.

02:09:02.000 Like, this nicotine is great for us.

02:09:04.000 This is clear.

02:09:05.000 It's awesome.

02:09:06.000 It's supposedly better for you, isn't it?

02:09:08.000 Is there a reason why clear liquor is like a real reason why clear liquor is less additives in it?

02:09:13.000 There you go.

02:09:14.000 Less additives.

02:09:16.000 That's it.

02:09:16.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:09:18.000 Even tequila has got, you got to find the good stuff.

02:09:21.000 Right.

02:09:21.000 But if you find the good.

02:09:22.000 That's the other thing.

02:09:23.000 I was reading this thing about how much tequila is fake.

02:09:25.000 How much tequila is not really made with agave?

02:09:28.000 That's a real, that's a lot.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:30.000 That's a lot.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 It's a lot.

02:09:31.000 It's a lot of approach your ass.

02:09:32.000 I mean, tequila will.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:34.000 It's not forgiving.

02:09:35.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 If you abuse it.

02:09:37.000 It's a certain kind of drunk.

02:09:38.000 Don't ask me how I know.

02:09:39.000 Tequila is like a shootout with the cops drunk.

02:09:43.000 Yeah, that's like I shot my TV with my shotgun.

02:09:45.000 Drunk.

02:09:45.000 Yeah.

02:09:46.000 It's a high-speed chase drug.

02:09:48.000 Tequila is just like, ooh, we're drunk on tequila.

02:09:51.000 Yikes.

02:09:52.000 Like, you know, you just picture yourself doing something definitely incorrect.

02:09:58.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 It's a funny thing that I guess it makes sense, though, that music and comedy in a lot of ways is connected to drinking.

02:10:09.000 Because drinking lowers inhibitions and it makes you want to sing along and it makes you want to dance.

02:10:15.000 And maybe you don't feel like you got the confidence to dance, but you get a couple shots.

02:10:19.000 Let's get on the dance for you.

02:10:19.000 Fuck it.

02:10:21.000 It's this.

02:10:21.000 It's like, raise your cup.

02:10:23.000 It's just that.

02:10:23.000 It's like the, that's, it's just a, it's like a feeling.

02:10:28.000 And it's, you're part of the party and you're part of the song and you're part of the show and or whatever.

02:10:32.000 Like what I just think, especially, I think art, I think music and comedy are the most as far as show business.

02:10:37.000 Like you're, you know, that people just feel like that's something that they go there to do.

02:10:43.000 Right.

02:10:43.000 Well, there are two things that you have to go see live.

02:10:46.000 You don't have to.

02:10:47.000 I mean, you can just listen to music in your phone and all that stuff.

02:10:49.000 But the reality is it's way better if you're there live.

02:10:52.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 Like live, going to see live music to me is like so inspirational because I don't have any skill at live music at all.

02:11:00.000 I don't have any musical talent.

02:11:02.000 I can't play any instruments.

02:11:03.000 So it's just, I don't ever think like, huh, I wonder why they did it that way.

02:11:07.000 I see where they're going.

02:11:08.000 You can just enjoy it.

02:11:09.000 I could just be entertained.

02:11:11.000 And it's, I think music is a drug in and of itself because it does something to your, a great song does something very powerful to you.

02:11:11.000 That's great.

02:11:21.000 Like it'll make you feel powerful emotions or powerful inspiration.

02:11:21.000 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 It does something that nothing else does in a weird way.

02:11:31.000 And it feels so good when you have a song that somebody comes up and says, that song changed my life.

02:11:37.000 That song, you know, I have one called House that Built Me that's like the one people come up to me the most and they're like, that's my story.

02:11:43.000 And it's, I didn't write it.

02:11:45.000 I'm like, but that's when I heard it, that's why I was like, this is my story too.

02:11:49.000 And those are the, and like as a songwriter, when you write a song like that, that's, that's the ultimate like reminder.

02:11:57.000 Like, this is why I do that.

02:11:58.000 Like, yeah.

02:11:59.000 It made somebody feel something.

02:12:00.000 It made somebody get through something.

02:12:02.000 It made somebody want to punch somebody.

02:12:05.000 Whatever the emotion is, as long as it brings out emotion, we've done our job, right?

02:12:09.000 Think of how many people you've done that to.

02:12:11.000 How nuts that is.

02:12:12.000 Like, you've had so many hit songs.

02:12:13.000 So you've had so many songs that resonated with people where they all felt that feeling when that song came on.

02:12:19.000 Like, oh, this is my song.

02:12:20.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 This is my song.

02:12:22.000 Turn it up.

02:12:23.000 I have like the feisty, a lot of the feisty.

02:12:26.000 I mean, I'm a little calmer now, but it used to be quite the firecracker.

02:12:31.000 Just peer, peer, pear, pearl.

02:12:33.000 There's a reason I have revolvers tattooed on our, but now I'm shooting them off horses.

02:12:37.000 Like just a little like a pistol personality, I guess.

02:12:40.000 And so like my feisty songs, I mean, at every single show, pretty much every single show, there's a girl fight in the pit.

02:12:49.000 Every time, yeah, they just get riled up.

02:12:51.000 They get riled up.

02:12:53.000 I'm telling you.

02:12:53.000 They just get, I mean.

02:12:55.000 I wonder if you have more girl fights than other female singers.

02:13:00.000 I don't know.

02:13:00.000 I bet you do.

02:13:01.000 If every single show, you have a girlfriend.

02:13:02.000 Almost every show.

02:13:03.000 I bet that's real odd.

02:13:05.000 Have you talked to other female singers?

02:13:06.000 Do they have similar stories?

02:13:08.000 How many girls thought you showed, though?

02:13:10.000 Yeah, you should ask.

02:13:11.000 You should totally ask.

02:13:13.000 Because it's like towards this part where it's like, I call it my ramp-up.

02:13:16.000 It's like gunpowder and lid, little red wagon, mama's broken heart.

02:13:20.000 And like they just start getting wild up.

02:13:23.000 Yeah, they think about their ex.

02:13:24.000 Yeah, they're fucked up.

02:13:25.000 Or he's there and they're fucked.

02:13:27.000 It's just a lot.

02:13:27.000 And he's there without it.

02:13:28.000 I have a front row seat.

02:13:29.000 I'll stop if it gets real bad.

02:13:31.000 I just stop and go, hey, y'all, tone her down a little bit.

02:13:35.000 Really?

02:13:35.000 Every show?

02:13:36.000 Almost every show.

02:13:37.000 That's really odd, Miranda.

02:13:39.000 I know.

02:13:40.000 I think that's odd.

02:13:41.000 I think that might be a very specific reaction that you have on people.

02:13:46.000 Maybe.

02:13:47.000 I mean, I'm pretty calm now.

02:13:48.000 I'm like, it's all right.

02:13:49.000 We got some ballads coming up.

02:13:50.000 Everyone, take a sip.

02:13:52.000 Take a seat.

02:13:53.000 Y'all settle down.

02:13:55.000 I think it's great.

02:13:57.000 They're feeling something.

02:13:59.000 Yeah.

02:13:59.000 Bringing out emotion.

02:13:59.000 You know?

02:14:00.000 Yeah.

02:14:01.000 100%.

02:14:01.000 That's my job.

02:14:02.000 Yeah.

02:14:03.000 I bet it's great at the gym, those songs.

02:14:05.000 Yeah.

02:14:05.000 But think about that bitch they punch at the concert.

02:14:09.000 Elliptical machine.

02:14:10.000 I have a lot of those like, girl, you're my bitch.

02:14:13.000 Like those kind of girls that are.

02:14:15.000 And I love it.

02:14:15.000 I love that.

02:14:16.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

02:14:17.000 That's awesome.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, you can't buy that.

02:14:19.000 That's a weird feeling.

02:14:21.000 Yeah.

02:14:21.000 It is.

02:14:22.000 You have to earn that feeling.

02:14:23.000 You'll have to come to a show that's like one that I know for sure is going to be one of those.

02:14:28.000 I would love to.

02:14:29.000 I would love to.

02:14:29.000 And watch from the stage.

02:14:31.000 I loved you at the Makane event.

02:14:33.000 It was amazing.

02:14:34.000 That's such a cool event, too.

02:14:35.000 Such a good event.

02:14:36.000 And I love all those boys.

02:14:38.000 And Jack.

02:14:39.000 And I've been, I mean, Jack Ingram's one of my heroes from back in the day.

02:14:42.000 Like, I started watching him when I was 15, and he had such charisma.

02:14:45.000 And that's why I'd be like, I want to do that.

02:14:47.000 Oh, really?

02:14:48.000 That's awesome.

02:14:49.000 I've known him for a really long time.

02:14:50.000 It's such a cool thing when you're going to an event like that and it's for a great cause.

02:14:56.000 So everybody's like super positive about why they're there.

02:14:59.000 It's not just to have fun.

02:15:00.000 It's also it does like such an amazing service for people.

02:15:05.000 And they do such a good job with that show.

02:15:05.000 It does.

02:15:07.000 They put together so well.

02:15:07.000 They do.

02:15:09.000 You know who blew me away at that show, too?

02:15:11.000 It's Lucas.

02:15:12.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:15:14.000 He is great.

02:15:14.000 I love him.

02:15:15.000 People are like, oh, it's Willie Nelson's son.

02:15:17.000 I'm like, oh, okay, that'll be cool.

02:15:19.000 And then he started saying, I was like, holy shit.

02:15:23.000 Like, this guy's fucking great.

02:15:25.000 He's great.

02:15:26.000 He's not just good.

02:15:27.000 He's great.

02:15:28.000 Great musician.

02:15:29.000 And he's a great guy.

02:15:30.000 Sweetheart.

02:15:31.000 He's a sweetheart.

02:15:32.000 Super sweetheart.

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:34.000 I've had the pleasure of getting to know him now.

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:37.000 He's a really nice guy.

02:15:38.000 He's a genuine nice guy.

02:15:40.000 But God, can he say?

02:15:41.000 He can.

02:15:42.000 Especially when he does that soul stuff.

02:15:44.000 When he really leans into the soul, more soul stuff.

02:15:47.000 It just makes him shine.

02:15:48.000 Because it's just so different than what people would think it was going to be.

02:15:51.000 Right.

02:15:52.000 You know?

02:15:52.000 Right.

02:15:53.000 And his pipes.

02:15:54.000 Woo!

02:15:54.000 Yeah.

02:15:55.000 I mean, the notes he has, I was like, and when he goes for it, he like sings with his body, like his whole body, like you know he's going for it.

02:16:03.000 And I love it.

02:16:04.000 Yeah.

02:16:04.000 And he does this, like, I don't know, it's going to hurt later in life, but he does this like backbend thing.

02:16:10.000 He's on his knees.

02:16:10.000 He's like bent all the way back playing a guitar solo.

02:16:13.000 And I'm like, go, how does he do that?

02:16:14.000 Is that adrenaline or what is that?

02:16:16.000 Stretching.

02:16:17.000 Yeah.

02:16:17.000 It's just stretching.

02:16:19.000 Yeah, I could probably do that like a decade ago.

02:16:21.000 Not now.

02:16:22.000 I bet you could.

02:16:23.000 I'm not going to try.

02:16:24.000 Well, not on stage.

02:16:25.000 Well, you must have core strength to be on that horse when you're shooting at things.

02:16:29.000 Yeah, you know how stabilizing it.

02:16:30.000 It's Pilates.

02:16:31.000 Oh, I'm sure.

02:16:32.000 Like, I ride so much better when I'm doing like consistent Pilates.

02:16:35.000 I did Pilates once with my wife.

02:16:37.000 I was like, oh, there is a lot harder.

02:16:40.000 It's like yoga in a way that like people think, oh, yoga, you're just going and stretching.

02:16:44.000 Like, no, no, no.

02:16:45.000 Like, go do it.

02:16:46.000 It's fucking hard.

02:16:47.000 It's hard.

02:16:48.000 And Pilates is hard.

02:16:48.000 It's hard.

02:16:49.000 I was like, oh, this is weird.

02:16:51.000 This is using weird muscles.

02:16:53.000 Yeah, like shaky ones.

02:16:55.000 You're like, why am I shaking?

02:16:57.000 Like stabilizing muscles.

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:59.000 But it's like a really good thing to balance out other stuff.

02:17:03.000 But that would definitely improve your core strength and allow you to be able to.

02:17:07.000 When I first started riding, I was like, I'm still not great.

02:17:10.000 And I still have fear, you know, on a horse.

02:17:12.000 Like, I'm just not super comfortable all the time, you know, when we're going fast.

02:17:16.000 So I'm just learning to work up to that.

02:17:18.000 But when I first started riding, I didn't start riding a horse ever till I was 30 years old.

02:17:22.000 And I wish I'd started at four when I was fearless.

02:17:25.000 Like, but starting at 30, you're like getting on this giant animal and you don't know what you're doing.

02:17:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:31.000 And my trainer at the time was like, you need to do Pilates.

02:17:35.000 And so I started Pilates and it really helped me.

02:17:37.000 Like it helped help me like stabilize myself a little more.

02:17:41.000 That's interesting.

02:17:41.000 Your trainer told you to do Pilates to help horse riding.

02:17:44.000 She was my, she was training my horses and teaching me how to ride.

02:17:47.000 She was like, you do not have core strength at all.

02:17:49.000 You need to go do Pilates.

02:17:50.000 That's interesting that you would choose that.

02:17:53.000 Huh.

02:17:54.000 I guess that makes sense.

02:17:55.000 But I would think that there's other stuff you could do too.

02:17:57.000 Like those, you ever see what a bow suit ball is?

02:18:00.000 You know what those things are?

02:18:01.000 Like standing on that ball with a flat bottom to it where you like balance.

02:18:05.000 Yes.

02:18:06.000 And they have this, it's like this saddle you sit on and it's for that.

02:18:10.000 Like in it, it's like real, it's almost like one of those balls, but saddle you sit on, like if you're sitting on a yoga ball.

02:18:16.000 But it's so cool.

02:18:17.000 And like, like my shooting coach, Kenda, my friend Kenda, she'll tell me, get your gun belt on and get your guns out and sit on your, is that the yoga ball?

02:18:26.000 The big one?

02:18:27.000 The big workout ball?

02:18:28.000 Sit on that and shoot off that.

02:18:30.000 Like when you're doing your drift or whatever.

02:18:30.000 That makes sense.

02:18:32.000 Stabilize.

02:18:33.000 It's all just about stabilizing.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:36.000 I know a lot of people that sit at their desk on one of those.

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 Which is smart.

02:18:39.000 I guess.

02:18:41.000 I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk.

02:18:42.000 I don't think I'd do well.

02:18:43.000 Well, I have to sit at this desk, but these chairs, they keep you upright.

02:18:47.000 These are really good.

02:18:47.000 Yeah, they're comfy.

02:18:48.000 They're good.

02:18:49.000 They make you sit correctly, or at least encourage you to sit correctly rather than a.

02:18:55.000 When you started doing that when you were 30, how long did it take before you started shooting guns off of it?

02:18:59.000 I just started that last year.

02:19:00.000 Oh, okay.

02:19:01.000 I mean, I just started last year.

02:19:04.000 I showed gypsy vanners.

02:19:05.000 They're like draft, lazy draft horses, kind of.

02:19:09.000 I got into those because I was 30 and like I can't afford to get hurt.

02:19:14.000 Like I'm on the road all the time.

02:19:15.000 So I wanted something safe to learn on.

02:19:17.000 Have you fallen before?

02:19:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:19.000 I've fallen off 100 times.

02:19:20.000 Really?

02:19:20.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 I mean, I tried to do Hunter Jumper.

02:19:23.000 I thought I wanted to be, I was like, all excited.

02:19:27.000 I'm like, I'm going to be a cowgirl at 30 years old.

02:19:29.000 I'm like, I'm going to finally be a cowgirl.

02:19:30.000 I'm going to barrel race.

02:19:31.000 Well, then I learned that that's, I don't want to barrel race, which kind of the guns, it's patterns.

02:19:36.000 It's going fast around, you have to go around a barrel.

02:19:38.000 So kind of back to that.

02:19:39.000 But this old cowboy trainer where I got my first horse, he was like, you need to go take English lessons because you need your fundamentals because you can't, you're not just going to get in a Western saddle and act like you know what you're doing.

02:19:52.000 Go take lessons because English is so proper.

02:19:54.000 What is English like?

02:19:55.000 English and like, you know, it's like the hunter jumpers, like the, and dressage.

02:19:59.000 It's like the very proper, you know, English riding teaches you the fundamentals.

02:20:03.000 Look, I'm sitting up straighter talking about it to where Western is a lot more loose.

02:20:08.000 And so it just taught me a lot taking English lessons.

02:20:11.000 But I thought I'd do Hunter Jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles.

02:20:16.000 Right.

02:20:17.000 And that's where I really hit the ground a few times.

02:20:20.000 Like, I wasn't ready for that.

02:20:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:22.000 So just, it's been a cool journey.

02:20:24.000 It's just, I mean, it's a lot to learn.

02:20:27.000 It's a lot to learn.

02:20:28.000 I'm imagining it's also like rough on the body, too.

02:20:31.000 Yeah.

02:20:32.000 Yeah, it is.

02:20:33.000 That's why I'm like, give me your safest.

02:20:36.000 Cool, my horse.

02:20:37.000 He is super safe.

02:20:39.000 I just, I don't, I want to learn really badly and I want to grow and be better, but I don't want to do it at a certain cost.

02:20:46.000 Do you enter competitions or anything?

02:20:48.000 I showed my vanners for 10 years.

02:20:50.000 What does that mean?

02:20:51.000 I just went to horse shows and like you said some words I don't understand.

02:20:56.000 I showed my vanners.

02:20:57.000 My vanners.

02:20:58.000 That sounds dirty when you say it back like that.

02:21:01.000 Like, what's a vanner?

02:21:02.000 No, it's my gypsy vanners are the kind of horses I have.

02:21:05.000 So I went and showed them in competitions like just English pleasure, Western pleasure, like just riding around the rail and it's about your technique.

02:21:16.000 Oh, okay.

02:21:17.000 It's not like jumping or so when English, it's just about being in control of the horse.

02:21:23.000 Yep, it's your technique.

02:21:24.000 It's a really horseless issue.

02:21:25.000 Yeah.

02:21:26.000 And then I got into shooting and I'm not going back.

02:21:30.000 Are you going to do competitions with the shooters?

02:21:32.000 I did one last year just to get my first one out of the way.

02:21:36.000 And it was fun.

02:21:38.000 I mean, it's scary.

02:21:39.000 It's scary as shit, honestly.

02:21:40.000 But like, all these girls I ride with are so good.

02:21:44.000 Like, they go 100 miles an hour.

02:21:46.000 Like, I got to show you, Kenda.

02:21:48.000 Like, she is.

02:21:50.000 Is there a video of her?

02:21:51.000 Yeah, she's amazing.

02:21:52.000 What's her last name?

02:21:53.000 It's L-A-N-S-E.

02:21:53.000 One Sane.

02:21:56.000 S-I-E-N-G.

02:21:58.000 Google it.

02:21:59.000 I'm spelling it off.

02:22:00.000 Jamie will find it.

02:22:01.000 She's amazing.

02:22:02.000 They go so fast.

02:22:03.000 And like, it's a timed, I mean, it's a timed event, right?

02:22:07.000 So you're competing just against you, really.

02:22:10.000 Like, how, how precise and how fast you could go on your horse.

02:22:13.000 So you have, like, a green light and then you go.

02:22:16.000 Green light, you go.

02:22:17.000 How do they start you off?

02:22:18.000 They you do.

02:22:20.000 What do they say?

02:22:21.000 They flag.

02:22:22.000 Oh, they drop a flag and then you go.

02:22:24.000 And then you go.

02:22:25.000 Wow.

02:22:25.000 I didn't go that fast.

02:22:26.000 I did mine in like 28 seconds.

02:22:28.000 She does it in like eight seconds.

02:22:31.000 Like seven seconds.

02:22:32.000 Same course?

02:22:33.000 Yeah.

02:22:34.000 She's amazing.

02:22:34.000 It's insane.

02:22:35.000 But that's something to work towards.

02:22:38.000 How many times is she wiped out?

02:22:40.000 Oh, she's broke down as hell.

02:22:42.000 She's broke down.

02:22:43.000 She has cowgirl broke down, but she's still going.

02:22:46.000 She wiped out so bad last year and just gets right back on, keeps going.

02:22:50.000 Riding in a cast, like it's cowgirl way.

02:22:53.000 Riding in a cast.

02:22:54.000 Tough, tough.

02:22:55.000 They're tough.

02:22:55.000 That's tough.

02:22:56.000 Yeah, people are built different.

02:22:57.000 They are.

02:22:58.000 You got any videos?

02:22:59.000 I just found that one.

02:23:00.000 Here we go.

02:23:01.000 I want to see this.

02:23:03.000 She's awesome.

02:23:04.000 Because I saw that you were doing that.

02:23:05.000 I was like, that's bananas.

02:23:08.000 But it looks like fun.

02:23:09.000 It is fun.

02:23:10.000 Do they have one of those where they do bow and arrow?

02:23:12.000 They have bow and arrow.

02:23:13.000 There she is.

02:23:14.000 Oh, here she goes.

02:23:15.000 They have bow and arrows.

02:23:18.000 Woo.

02:23:18.000 Rifles.

02:23:20.000 The rifles are crazy.

02:23:21.000 Imagine this lady running up to you on a ranch with a pistol in her hand.

02:23:26.000 She is legit.

02:23:30.000 That's crazy.

02:23:30.000 She's one of my besties.

02:23:33.000 Is there high speed where they're not showing it?

02:23:35.000 Here it goes.

02:23:36.000 Oh, wow.

02:23:40.000 That's crazy.

02:23:41.000 Oh, man.

02:23:42.000 This is awesome.

02:23:43.000 She is a literal never misses.

02:23:45.000 Oh, now I get it.

02:23:47.000 Okay, this looks like fun.

02:23:49.000 There's 83 patterns.

02:23:50.000 So the horse never runs the same pattern.

02:23:53.000 Wait a minute.

02:23:54.000 How is she shooting that many times?

02:23:57.000 It's five shots in a gun change.

02:23:59.000 Oh, you have to change your gun.

02:24:00.000 You have to change your gun.

02:24:01.000 So, how many bullets?

02:24:01.000 Yeah.

02:24:02.000 How many shots is it total in one of these rounds where you run?

02:24:06.000 Ten.

02:24:07.000 Ten.

02:24:07.000 So, okay.

02:24:08.000 So you have ten things.

02:24:09.000 This is like a highlight reel, but yeah.

02:24:11.000 Ten shots.

02:24:12.000 But yeah, so that's my bestie who's teaching me how to do it.

02:24:15.000 That's awesome.

02:24:16.000 Well, that's how to learn.

02:24:18.000 She's awesome.

02:24:19.000 Learn from a psycho.

02:24:20.000 She looks completely insane.

02:24:23.000 You got to have a serious screw loose to be good at that.

02:24:27.000 Wow.

02:24:27.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 Oh, my God.

02:24:28.000 Look at this dude.

02:24:29.000 Oh, this is her.

02:24:31.000 That's her and Charles.

02:24:33.000 Wow.

02:24:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:35.000 How about your Kenda?

02:24:37.000 12 and 0.

02:24:40.000 7 0.

02:24:42.000 I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks awesome.

02:24:45.000 It looks like fun.

02:24:46.000 Yeah, it's really fun.

02:24:47.000 And it's, I don't know.

02:24:51.000 It's a very country thing to be involved in.

02:24:53.000 Well, guess what?

02:24:56.000 Guess what, Joe?

02:24:58.000 It's perfect.

02:24:59.000 It's perfect.

02:25:00.000 We talked about chickens.

02:25:01.000 We talked about dogs.

02:25:02.000 We talked about guns on horses.

02:25:05.000 Archery, hunting.

02:25:08.000 Fill in the blank.

02:25:09.000 Titos and ketos.

02:25:10.000 Exactly.

02:25:10.000 That's a very, but that's a very country activity because it's not just horse riding.

02:25:14.000 It's horse riding with pistols.

02:25:16.000 Yeah, I mean, come on.

02:25:17.000 I love it.

02:25:17.000 Yeah.

02:25:19.000 It's funny that I didn't know that that was such a big thing.

02:25:22.000 See if there's one where they do it off with bows and arrows.

02:25:25.000 I want to see that.

02:25:26.000 It's crazy.

02:25:27.000 I haven't seen that in person, but the raffles.

02:25:27.000 That's crazy.

02:25:30.000 Oh, rifles they do too.

02:25:31.000 They do it with raffles and you don't have reins.

02:25:34.000 Because you use two hands to shoot the raffle.

02:25:36.000 So like they're riding with their legs.

02:25:39.000 Whoa.

02:25:39.000 Right?

02:25:40.000 And the horses making wild turns.

02:25:40.000 Right.

02:25:42.000 So you have that crazy strength in your legs to catch up.

02:25:45.000 That needs a lot of Pilates.

02:25:46.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:47.000 So you can find one where they're doing it, bows and arrows.

02:25:50.000 Because I know that that's how the Mongols did it.

02:25:53.000 That's how the Comanches did it.

02:25:55.000 They learned how to shoot while they were.

02:25:57.000 They learned how to time the release of their arrow while the horse was in the air.

02:26:02.000 So that they had the least amount of disturbance.

02:26:05.000 Something like that on what is this one?

02:26:09.000 Epic Equestrian Mounted Archery.

02:26:12.000 But are they, is this a competition?

02:26:14.000 I mean, I don't know that there's many of them.

02:26:16.000 I don't know that there's a lot of them.

02:26:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:18.000 So they have targets.

02:26:19.000 Yeah, but this looks like a British horseback archery.

02:26:22.000 See, that's a, she's in a dressage saddle doing that.

02:26:24.000 Yeah.

02:26:25.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:25.000 Look at this.

02:26:27.000 The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too.

02:26:32.000 Oh, that makes look at that.

02:26:34.000 That's cool.

02:26:36.000 Just in case.

02:26:37.000 Hobby?

02:26:38.000 No.

02:26:39.000 I don't fuck with horses.

02:26:41.000 It's just.

02:26:42.000 It's a good place.

02:26:43.000 I like them.

02:26:44.000 I love them.

02:26:45.000 I think they're awesome.

02:26:45.000 I don't want to ride them.

02:26:46.000 There you go.

02:26:47.000 I made something for it.

02:26:48.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:26:49.000 That's like a pattern.

02:26:50.000 Yeah, so very similar.

02:26:51.000 Similar kind of deal.

02:26:52.000 Terran Tactical for horses.

02:26:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:26:55.000 Exactly.

02:26:56.000 Terran Tactical is a tactical range in California.

02:26:59.000 We're going.

02:27:00.000 That's where Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot guns.

02:27:02.000 I used to go there when I lived in California.

02:27:05.000 You do it like shooter-ready.

02:27:06.000 Deep.

02:27:07.000 And you go through a tactical course.

02:27:07.000 Yeah.

02:27:09.000 That's where we shoot out at End Cost Hill.

02:27:12.000 It's called Ben Avery Shooting Facility, and it's like all of that.

02:27:16.000 Anything that can be shot is shot there.

02:27:20.000 So Kenda had him build a rodeo arena so we could do our balloons.

02:27:25.000 That would be the coolest thing to have on your property.

02:27:27.000 Yeah.

02:27:27.000 Have a tactical range right on your property.

02:27:31.000 This place is huge.

02:27:32.000 And it's out there in the desert, so like there's plenty of space to do all the things.

02:27:36.000 That's what I was thinking about.

02:27:37.000 The shooting pistols on the horses.

02:27:39.000 Like, when did they figure out to not use bullets?

02:27:42.000 Because it's like just a huge amount of time.

02:27:43.000 Something happened.

02:27:45.000 Something happened.

02:27:46.000 And the horses wear earplugs, too, which is great.

02:27:49.000 They probably had to figure that out later in life, too.

02:27:51.000 Horses wear earplugs.

02:27:52.000 But when did they figure out how many people got shot before they realized, hey, we probably shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot these balloons?

02:27:57.000 Yeah, black powder might be a better call.

02:27:59.000 Because you got all those people in the audience, and then you got someone on a horse.

02:28:04.000 It is.

02:28:05.000 And she catches hell for it.

02:28:06.000 People are like, you can't be.

02:28:07.000 She's like, it's spectator safe.

02:28:09.000 It's safe for the horses.

02:28:10.000 Everybody wears earplugs.

02:28:11.000 It's black powder.

02:28:12.000 Who gets mad?

02:28:13.000 People.

02:28:14.000 Everybody wants to bitch about something.

02:28:15.000 Right.

02:28:16.000 You know.

02:28:16.000 But that's just housekeeping.

02:28:17.000 You would know more than anyone.

02:28:20.000 I don't need to tell you.

02:28:23.000 You can't make everybody happy.

02:28:24.000 It's impossible.

02:28:25.000 You can't.

02:28:25.000 And you're always going to make someone mad.

02:28:28.000 As long as you relate that, you'll be okay.

02:28:30.000 And as long as you stay offline.

02:28:32.000 Stay off that TikTok.

02:28:32.000 Yeah.

02:28:33.000 Stay out of that river.

02:28:34.000 That TikTok river.

02:28:37.000 Yeah.

02:28:38.000 A lot of people drown in that river.

02:28:40.000 Yeah.

02:28:41.000 Yeah.

02:28:43.000 Anything else you want to talk about?

02:28:44.000 Should we wrap this up?

02:28:45.000 Yeah, I mean, we talked about every country thing you talked about.

02:28:47.000 We basically did.

02:28:48.000 Listen, you're really fun to talk to.

02:28:50.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:28:50.000 Thank you for having me on here.

02:28:51.000 My pleasure.

02:28:52.000 And I love your music and I love your personality, so it was really cool to have you in here.

02:28:52.000 I appreciate it.

02:28:56.000 Well, come see us on the road.

02:28:57.000 I would love to.

02:28:58.000 I'd love to have you.

02:28:59.000 Are you ever in Austin?

02:28:59.000 I'm playing the San Antonio rodeo next year.

02:29:01.000 When is that?

02:29:02.000 What time?

02:29:02.000 February.

02:29:03.000 Oh, okay.

02:29:03.000 February.

02:29:04.000 So, like, in a couple of months.

02:29:05.000 Okay.

02:29:05.000 Yeah.

02:29:06.000 We'll try to make it down for that.

02:29:07.000 Are you ever in Austin, though?

02:29:09.000 I haven't played in Austin in a long time.

02:29:10.000 Really?

02:29:11.000 I don't know why.

02:29:12.000 I'm here all the time, and I don't know.

02:29:14.000 I need to get that on the books.

02:29:16.000 Okay.

02:29:17.000 Well, I will come.

02:29:17.000 I will definitely come.

02:29:18.000 Well, thank you.

02:29:19.000 Thank you.

02:29:20.000 My pleasure.

02:29:21.000 If anybody wants to go find you out on the river, social media of the river.

02:29:26.000 I'm on all your social media platforms.

02:29:28.000 MirandaLambert.com.

02:29:30.000 Okay.

02:29:31.000 Thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 29, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2402 - Miranda Lambert

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