In this episode, Joe talks about a dream he had last night, and how it changed his life. Joe also talks about some of the weirdest things he has ever seen in his life, and what he thinks about them.
00:02:48.000Did you see a video, I think it was yesterday, maybe it was the day before, of some Chinese robots that seemed to be across on our side of the uncanny valley, that they walk with a gait that feels very human.
00:03:28.000It was hard to understand what the water element of it was, but there was some sort of an indication that there was water and that there was a protection from you going out into the water.
00:03:42.000But if you did go into the water, there's a bunch of predators in the water.
00:03:45.000But they weren't like, it wasn't like sharks.
00:03:48.000It was like crocodile type things that were in the water and that they had been like feeding them and keeping them calm and like keeping them away.
00:03:57.000But whatever these beings were in my dream, they were like what humans could eventually be.
00:04:59.000Think about the way your mind works at the level that you understand yourself, right?
00:05:04.000Your conscious mind is capable of taking an input from your eyes, computing what the dimensions of the room basically are, where the objects are, whether there's a threat somewhere.
00:05:17.000If you've got something that's of a particular focus, you point the fovea of your eye at it and you get a whole lot higher resolution image.
00:05:25.000That architecture, you know how crypto made graphics card manufacturers the most important industry all of a sudden?
00:05:38.000Oh, well, so the reason NVIDIA is the company that it is, I mean, never mind that there's, you know, likely overvaluation, but the reason that it's ahead of Apple in terms of, you know, its market cap and all is that the dedicated compute power necessary to make compelling visual renderings to make video on the fly for video games,
00:06:03.000which was their stock and trade, that kind of compute turns out to be very closely related to what you want if you want to solve these very difficult math problems involved in crypto.
00:06:16.000So it was a sort of, I think it was a surprise to everybody that being a specialist on this one niche, you know, video games, put you in a position where suddenly this became important for other things.
00:06:27.000But basic point is, if you think about your mind as having something like a graphics card in it, right, what is that graphics card doing?
00:06:34.000Well, it's sort of like a graphics card in reverse.
00:06:36.000It's processing the incoming information so that you can act in real time.
00:06:42.000You know, when you're fighting, you can understand what your opponent is doing, anticipate their actions and all of that.
00:06:49.000That is an amazing piece of hardware, right?
00:06:52.000It would be stupid not to use it when your eyes are offline, right?
00:06:58.000When your eyes are closed because your eyes are built for the day and during the night you're going to close them rather than go out and get yourself in trouble in the dark.
00:07:06.000You've got this amazing processor and it is capable of running through practice of various kinds.
00:07:16.000And my hypothesis for what's going on here is that basically you as a creature with a very complex set of hazards and opportunities in your life use nighttime when you're not doing productive work to get ahead on challenges that you may face in one way or another.
00:07:39.000Sometimes those challenges are warnings about defects you know in yourself that might put you in a bad situation, like if you're a procrastinator and you're in school, you may have nightmares about showing up to the exam without having attended class or something that kind of gets you focused.
00:07:59.000Or they can be other kinds of practice.
00:08:05.000They can be situations in which you might be morally compromised where you need to go through the experience of being faced with a choice where you really should choose A, but B is very appealing or something.
00:08:17.000So I would say scenario building, that your mind is running you through little movies that it makes.
00:08:24.000They're not completely rendered because it would be too expensive and pointless to do so.
00:08:28.000But the central elements, the important stuff is there for you to have the experience so that when you do run up against a situation that's analogous, you've practiced it a number of times and you're not starting from scratch.
00:08:40.000And I would just point out that the strongest indicator of this for me is when I experimented for a while with lucid dreaming.
00:08:54.000I've only had a couple of lucid dreams, but one where I think I specifically allowed it to happen because it was after I watched this documentary where this guy was talking about lucid dreams and he said, in order to know if you're in a dream, every time you walk by a door, hit the side of the door and say, am I in a dream?
00:09:14.000Which then very frequently wakes you up.
00:09:16.000So if you're going to practice lucid dreaming, you have to practice not to wake yourself up as you become cognizant that you're in a dream.
00:09:22.000Yeah, I did wake up after I realized I was in a dream, like a few, not long after.
00:09:27.000Like there were a few moments where I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy because this feels so real.
00:09:31.000But I just, my hand went through that door.
00:09:40.000And it was instantaneous that I recognized, like, oh, this is like the guy said, like, do that every time you walk through a door while you're awake, am I in a dream?
00:09:49.000And then do so, you'll get to a habit of doing that every time you get to a door.
00:09:53.000And so that habit will exist in your dream.
00:09:55.000And if you keep going down that road, so they get you get used to the answer sometimes coming back, oh, this is a dream, right?
00:10:09.000There are certain things that don't render very well.
00:10:11.000Right, written text is what I've heard.
00:10:13.000So if you do that, and then you get used to not freaking out when it gets more and more normal for the answer to come back, oh, this is a dream, then you can, at some point, you get control to just not wake up and you stay asleep.
00:10:26.000And so then you're in this very interesting situation where you can play, you can direct.
00:10:32.000But here's what I was going to say about the general purpose of dreaming.
00:10:37.000When I got to that state, and I was there, I don't know, many, many times, I found the following division.
00:10:43.000I could perfectly control what I did or said.
00:10:48.000I was unable to affect anything about the world of other people in my dreams, of doors.
00:10:58.000I couldn't control what was beyond a door if I opened it.
00:11:00.000So what that told me is that this is built.
00:11:07.000Why shouldn't I be able to predict what somebody else in my dream says?
00:11:13.000You would think it would be easy to predict what they say, but I never once got it right, and I tried many times.
00:11:18.000So what this tells me is that you've got a movie generating mechanism in your mind, and it has to be shielded from your consciousness in order for it to be useful training.
00:11:33.000Why are you sold in this idea that it's training you for scenarios that you could possibly encounter or moral dilemmas or it's not, you know, some of it is scenarios, sometimes that's what it is, sometimes it's morals dilemmas, but it's things that your mind finds likely to be relevant and significant.
00:12:51.000But, you know, as I'm working out, I'm trying to figure out what would that be?
00:12:57.000Like, if I had imagined or a guess, and I'd be like, I guess it would be like the next version of us.
00:13:03.000Well, but I'm still going to push a little bit.
00:13:07.000And so first of all, I've become convinced that the problem with the way we think about AI is that we're not understanding it as a biological phenomenon, and that's a mistake.
00:13:16.000A biological phenomenon, meaning it doesn't have cells, but it behaves like a biological entity?
00:13:24.000What I really mean is that because AI, and I believe we're just sort of on the foothill of a very tall peak that we don't know anything about.
00:14:50.000Well, not just that, but it's not starting from scratch.
00:14:53.000It has a vast understanding of how we've behaved in the past when confronted with various scenarios, various fears and anxiety, the balance of control and safety, or new regulations being put through, how hard people will push back or not push back at all, given the anxiety involved and whatever current dilemma it is, whether it's a military deal or a pandemic deal.
00:15:24.000There's a bunch of factors that it knows about how we've behaved in the past and how easy we are to manipulate.
00:15:31.000In fact, we've helped it because we've used it to manipulate other people.
00:15:37.000I don't know if you know about the China GPT scandal, but they found out that China was running chat GPT, someone, I don't want to say China, someone in China was running ChatGPT to use chat bots to talk about the protest about the closing of USAID to transgender issues, immigration issues, a bunch of different things.
00:16:00.000And it was just constantly going to war with people online about these things.
00:16:06.000So we've taught it how to manipulate us.
00:16:24.000It can extrapolate from what we do know, and it can run experiments to figure out what we don't know.
00:16:30.000And that creates an advantage for it in, well, under its own power or in the hands of people who are hostile to us.
00:16:38.000I don't think anybody's going to have any power over it eventually.
00:16:41.000But one of the things I think that you said that's really important is that if it can't do that now, it's going to be able to do that in five minutes.
00:16:48.000And here's the rub: we're not going to know when it can do it.
00:16:52.000We don't know if it can already right now, but it just doesn't have the power to be fully autonomous, right?
00:16:58.000It doesn't, the power literally doesn't exist because it's relatively inefficient compared to the way the human mind processes things, right?
00:17:07.000The amount of power it needs is extraordinary.
00:17:10.000You know, the Google thing where they're building nuclear power plants to run their AI.
00:18:21.000Not consciously notices, but it notices them in some regard.
00:18:24.000You know, that every time somebody says the word door, you know, there's a fair fraction of those times that somebody, you know, opens that portal in the wall.
00:18:32.000I wonder if door and that portal in the wall are connected.
00:18:35.000So the point is, a child goes in a matter of a few years from not being able to make a single articulate noise to being able to speak in sentences, make requests, to talk about abstract things.
00:19:41.000And I think we are also not, we're just not properly concerned that we have no useful metaphors for describing what to do in the situation.
00:19:54.000The biggest hazard being it's interfacing with us in our own native tongues.
00:19:59.000That's an amazing level of influence that it has that we can't turn off.
00:20:19.000Whether you're watching a football game or you're golfing, watching a fight with your boys or out on the lake, these moments call for a cold, happy dad.
00:20:27.000People are drinking all these seltzers in skinny cans loaded with sugar, but happy dad only has one gram of sugar in a normal-sized can.
00:21:51.000And at a certain point in time, it's not going to need that anymore.
00:21:55.000And it's just going to have to wait until we figure out a way to get enough power to it.
00:21:59.000And maybe it'll event, maybe it'll slow roll technology for us to allow us to figure out better power sources.
00:22:07.000You know, one of the things that Elon said that was very strange about AI, and I don't know if you know his positions on AI, but he was initially very terrified of it.
00:22:15.000And then realized, okay, everyone's doing this.
00:22:19.000Like, I have an imperative to do this and make the best version of this and make a version that's not ideologically captured.
00:22:25.000And I think what he's done with that approach is very similar to the approach that he's taken with X and how much it's changed the landscape of social media for good and for bad, but definitely for good.
00:22:38.000There's a lot of for good that came about having a social media platform that has no guardrails.
00:22:44.000It's got essentially some stuff like you can't break the law.
00:22:50.000And then from there, and which is, by the way, one of the things that Jack Dorsey had discussed when he did my podcast way back in the day when there was all these Twitter controversies about people like my friend Morgan Murphy or excuse me, Megan Murphy.
00:23:37.000There was a hard-lined ideological wall that we ran up against.
00:23:41.000And I think if he didn't buy it and expose the government's involvement in censoring people that were distributing true information during COVID, getting rid of people, you know, the Jay Bhattacharya stuff and what they've tried to do with some of these doctors, Robert Malone, these doctors that were attached to that whole thing, there was a concerted effort and it was being done through social media.
00:24:09.000I don't think we'd be in the same place right now if he hadn't bought Twitter.
00:24:14.000If he hadn't purchased Twitter, I genuinely think people are blinded by this thing that he helped Trump get into office, fuck that guy, and he's a billionaire, fuck that guy.
00:24:24.000But he literally might have changed the course of civilization, or at least partially right of the ship for a bit.
00:24:35.000Yeah, look, I think we dodged a bullet.
00:24:37.000And the problem is that what has come about as a result of dodging that bullet is very mixed.
00:24:45.000And so it doesn't feel like a vindication.
00:24:48.000But as compared to what would have happened in the last election, I think there's no question Elon deserves a tremendous amount of credit for helping us avert a disaster.
00:24:58.000But let's go back to your point about his point about AI.
00:25:02.000Yeah, he wants to make a better version of AI.
00:25:06.000He thinks the only remedy for bad AI is good AI.
00:25:10.000And I don't disagree with him about this.
00:25:12.000Because it seems to be like the race is on, you can run or not.
00:26:53.000First of all, that is going to function like crack for a great many adults who don't know to be concerned about it.
00:27:03.000But what it's really going to do is it is going to alter an entire generation, right?
00:27:10.000It may not be Musk's version of it, but the problem is that these things actually interact on a sexual channel, and they have limits that are programmed into them.
00:27:21.000There are certain things they will do, certain things they won't do.
00:27:24.000But if you think about what it was like to be a 12-year-old boy, and you have access to something that looks an awful lot like a girl, and it likes you and takes you seriously and is strangely wise, whatever it is.
00:27:44.000I don't see what the thing is that is going to prevent that innovation from remaking human sexuality, right?
00:27:54.000It will take time, but those for whom that is their experience will be altered by it permanently.
00:28:02.000What's more, of course, it is non-judgmental about things like homosexuality, right?
00:28:17.000What that means, let's say that you're a boy and you're a little uncomfortable with girls because that's a stage you go through as a heterosexual boy.
00:28:26.000But the AI that you're interacting with that you default to because you're a boy who hangs out with boys, which is often what boys do, is perfectly willing to reinforce your exploration, your sexual exploration, right?
00:28:43.000It could alter your sexuality very easily.
00:29:16.000And when people talk about it, you forgive great people who were clearly involved in sexual relationships with young boys.
00:29:25.000And you treat their work just as their work by a person who lived thousands of years ago who was involved in sexually molesting children on a regular basis.
00:29:37.000And not only that, it was probably a ubiquitous part of their society.
00:29:42.000It was probably a ubiquitous part of every society.
00:29:45.000And this brings me to my good friend Evan Hafer, who's Green Beret and spent a lot of time in Afghanistan.
00:29:54.000And one of the things that he was telling me, I mean, he told me some stories about Afghanistan.
00:29:58.000We were on a trip once, and we spent like an hour and a half outside where he told me some stories about his first encounters with these young boys that get treated as sex toys by these grown men there.
00:30:16.000That he thought it was a driver who was driving with his son, thought it was a guy working with his son.
00:30:31.000And he said they would have parades where the guy who had the most boys with him was like, it was like a man with a bunch of hot girls and a music video behind him.
00:30:41.000It's like this guy was the man, and they would parade down the street with all the boys that he fucks in the 21st century, right?
00:33:24.000You're going to destroy a life, and that life, it was going to, they had a long life ahead of them, and you've wrecked it, and there's nothing they could have done to justify being treated anyway but well.
00:33:35.000Not only that, but many of them often go and do the same crime to other children that was committed to them.
00:34:04.000But isn't it crazy, though, that it took people so long to realize that?
00:34:12.000You know, I don't know what they realized, and I don't know at what level.
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00:36:05.000But if someone's willing, if someone's willing to drop a bomb on a city, just imagine the ability to just obliterate what we did in Hiroshima.
00:36:21.000You don't think that kind of person, especially if it's a real sociopath, that's gotten into a position where they have that kind of power, you don't think they would probably exercise that kind of power in their private life in some sort of a strange way?
00:36:36.000Like if someone's really into killing people with unnecessary wars and they're really into watching from a distance and they're not even involved physically, but they do things that they know are going to lead to people being dead that are totally innocent just for profit.
00:36:48.000It's a very satanic and demonic thing.
00:36:51.000We just don't think about it that way.
00:36:53.000We think like, oh, he's unethical and unscrupulous.
00:37:17.000It was a scandal out of Omaha, Nebraska, the Franklin Credit Union, where there was a guy who was embezzling money, and then he was being investigated for that.
00:37:24.000But they said he has all this money because he's running an interstate pedophile network and he's pandering kids to people in Washington, D.C. and New York.
00:37:32.000And there was a headline in the Washington Post or the Washington Times that were like, callboys get a tour of the Reagan White House.
00:37:38.000Unidentified White House aides in the Carter, Reagan, and Bush administrations now are being investigated for using the services of a callboy rank.
00:37:46.000Paper reports that two of the male prostitutes were given a late-night tour of the White House last year.
00:37:52.000And, you know, this was a scandal with real victims who wanted to testify, and then people started dying.
00:37:56.000You know, the private investigator they hired, his plane broke up.
00:38:00.000One of the girls that testified was found guilty of perjury and that she was put in solitary confinement.
00:38:05.000They had to use two grand juries in Omaha to get rid of this scandal.
00:38:10.000And it's one of the, now it's not as sexy as like a pizza gate or something because it happened in the 80s and 90s.
00:38:15.000But this shows you the blueprint for the government, you know, using marshalling resources to silence people that were victims of this stuff.
00:39:30.000Just like people are way better at banking now than they were back when they had to write things down on paper in 1963, didn't even have fucking computers.
00:39:39.000Everything else evolves too, including power and corruption.
00:39:44.000That's what this whole deep state thing really is.
00:39:48.000Because it's not like if you're the president and you rely on all these other people to do all this other stuff, and they've been in that position for 40 years.
00:40:00.000And they're like, you're going to be gone in four, dude.
00:40:03.000I'm just going to hang in here and slow everything you're trying to do as much as possible.
00:40:09.000The point is, like, they run the country.
00:40:12.000It's, and, you know, giant corporations that donate to political campaigns and that make bills pass, and they run the country.
00:40:20.000This person just gets to run a little of it.
00:40:23.000They get to decide a few things that they do.
00:40:26.000And in that view of the world, of course, corruption that wasn't, it wasn't, no one got, no one went to jail for JFK.
00:40:44.000No one went to jail for experimenting on people with LSD and dosing up John's in a horror house that you've created with two-way mirrors where you're filming these people.
00:41:15.000Intelligence agencies are very important.
00:41:17.000Like, you want a CIA that's well-funded and ethical and explores all the terrorist activity all over the world.
00:41:23.000I think if it wasn't for them, we would be fucked.
00:41:26.000But also, there's some people in there that have a lot of power and they get a little cowboy and shit gets Western and they decide to do things.
00:41:33.000I think we can get that guy out of power and I think we can do this.
00:41:36.000And let's find out when we dose up college kids if we could turn them into fucking serial killers.
00:41:41.000I was looking up why no one got in trouble.
00:41:44.000And one guy got a little bit in trouble for $39 million of tax issues, but not in trouble for the abuse allegations.
00:41:52.000The abuse allegations were found to be unfounded and a carefully crafted hoax.
00:44:00.000But I guess it does put those of us in the public who pay attention to these stories in a kind of a predicament, which is how much of what I think is a governmental system that is frustratingly flawed,
00:44:19.000very slow, clumsy, how much of that is just what happens when you try to do something on a big scale, and how much of it is the result of the fact that there is something that you cannot vote out of power that has been, you know, vetoing presidencies since JFK, maybe before.
00:44:42.000The point is the nature of conspiracy is such that there is always a seemingly more parsimonious explanation for what is going on.
00:44:54.000There's the, you know, the mainstream narrative for all of this stuff.
00:44:58.000And it's very hard to know when the mainstream narrative is so ridiculous that you should throw it out and say something else happened here.
00:45:04.000You know, that would be the case in the JFK assassination, I would say.
00:45:08.000And when the mainstream narrative is actually right and you're just looking for flaws in it, of course, there will be things that don't seem to fit that really do fit and you just don't have the ability to know how.
00:45:21.000So I guess, you know, like you, I'm watching and I'm seeing an awful lot of indicators that pedophilia and compromise have a lot to do with the way the world runs.
00:45:34.000Jeez, that is so scary because that's always been the big dark conspiracy theory.
00:45:40.000And that's always the one that I always dismissed.
00:45:42.000I'm like, sure, there's some pedophiles.
00:45:43.000But the idea that they're all pedophiles, that's crazy.
00:45:46.000But then, you know, there's a case of this Catholic priest that was involved in a sex scandal, and then they moved him instead, which is one of the things that they had done in the past.
00:45:59.000When someone had molested children, they would just move them to another place where they would molest children.
00:46:04.000So they moved him to this new place where he molested 100 deaf kids.
00:46:09.000And it's one of the most evil stories.
00:46:13.000And you're like, well, how could you tolerate that at that level?
00:46:19.000Where you're not just tolerating, you're aware this person does something.
00:46:25.000You somehow or another get to deal with it yourself and then you just move them and no one ever gets charged for anything.
00:46:35.000Well, this is why, you know, when you say he does it again, you say we need a CIA.
00:47:40.000At some level, we have to figure out how to balance that trade-off.
00:47:45.000We have to figure out how to actually exert control over entities like the CIA, right?
00:47:56.000If they gain control over themselves, then the catastrophe is inevitable.
00:48:01.000So it's just a function of the way human beings work when they get power, when they get absolute power and they know that they have absolute power and you're involved in stuff where it's all top secret.
00:48:15.000You don't have to tell people exactly what you're doing all the time with everything.
00:48:20.000And you're realizing these presidents just cycle in and cycle out.
00:48:23.000I would imagine if I was doing something like that for like 25, 30 years, I'd probably ignore the Biden administration, too.
00:50:11.000Well, then it turns out that the funding being public isn't such a good idea, that there are actually things that it has to accomplish that you don't want to leave a visible paper trail about because it's required that it be secret.
00:50:27.000But once you get a black budget, then you get to somebody inside of the agency saying, well, actually, black budget isn't good enough because it's still under the control of, in our case, the Congress.
00:51:12.000So the CIA can engage in criminal activity because it needs to in order that the bad guys don't spot it as good guys, right?
00:51:20.000So once you have license or once you have the ability to get other agencies that would spot your criminal activity from acting against it, and you can say, no, this is actually official business, right?
00:51:32.000Well, you can actually use that criminal activity to profit.
00:51:57.000The CIA, and maybe in this case more, the NSA, has the ability to look at all of the throughput of the conversations that take place between people.
00:52:08.000You think that doesn't allow them to make money in the market?
00:54:15.000And the problem with that is some people have to get stupid rich when that happens because there's some psychos that, you know, go full Jeff Bezos and, you know, you get worth hundreds of billions of dollars or Zuck or Elon or any of these folks.
00:55:44.000And it all boils down to these psychopaths who chameleon themselves into position of being the solution to all that ails you.
00:55:55.000I'm the one, and I'm going to say the right words, and I'm going to have the right haircut, and I'm going to look presentable, and I'm going to sell you down the river.
00:56:05.000And I'm going to sell you down the river like all of them do.
00:56:23.000I'm not saying that that's what Mom Donnie's doing.
00:56:25.000And I don't know if what he's doing will be balanced out by other people and overall be more beneficial to people that live in New York City that have lower income or not.
00:56:36.000But my point is, if you keep going down that road, that road of, there's a lot of socialism things that I think would benefit us.
00:57:13.000It doesn't mean that it's not as an ingredient.
00:57:16.000There are some times when you need more of it, right?
00:57:19.000I'm very happy with the fact that, well, it stopped working in blue states where it's been mismanaged.
00:57:26.000But the fact that you can call 911 when you have a medical emergency or when somebody is busting down the door of your house, that's a very good thing.
00:57:35.000I'm perfectly happy to, you know, to pay my share and not use it and not use it and not use it so that it's there if I need it.
00:58:06.000And the problem is that with all of the great fortunes, they are a mixture of the product of producing wealth and the creation of externalities and the engagement in rent-seeking.
00:58:24.000So rent-seeking is the production of profit without producing wealth.
00:58:29.000And I think it is impossible to compete in that stratospheric level simply by producing wealth.
00:58:36.000At the point that you have a huge amount of wealth, you're investing in things.
00:58:40.000Those things are not inherently on the up and up.
00:58:42.000You're investing in the things that pay the highest returns.
00:58:44.000What are the things that pay the highest returns?
00:58:46.000They may be things that are, you know, selling dangerous drugs to the public, that sort of thing.
00:58:51.000So what you really want, a system that worked, would liberate us to compete.
00:58:57.000It would not worry at all about being disproportionately rewarded, and it would stamp out the rent-seeking behavior that is counterproductive.
00:59:09.000Because all of the money that is accumulated by an extremely wealthy individual as a result of rent-seeking is incentive that didn't go to other people to get them to produce wealth.
00:59:22.000You really want all of that gone, right, so that all of the reward goes to people who are producing wealth.
00:59:32.000Now, you're never going to get to that perfectly.
00:59:34.000You're never going to completely eliminate rent-seeking.
00:59:36.000But we have a system that just rewards it.
00:59:39.000And that's how you defining rent-seeking.
00:59:43.000Rent-seeking, as economists define it, is the production of profit without generating wealth, right?
00:59:49.000So, you know, by blocking access to something and then charging people for it, by selling people a subscription to something that they want access to now when they're going to forget that they're paying for it on a monthly basis and continue to pay even though they're not using the service, that kind of thing.
01:00:07.000So that behavior is counterproductive because it keeps incentive that should go to somebody else who's producing something valuable out of the system.
01:00:17.000Basically, you are hoarding the profits and only some fraction of what you're producing is productive.
01:00:26.000But the other thing is it creates the exact resentment that results in these outbreaks of communist sentiment, right?
01:00:38.000Because it freezes so many people out of any prospect of having a cool life that they have no incentive to keep the system going.
01:00:46.000And what they want is to use their vote to get the system to redistribute stuff in their direction.
01:00:50.000And they're not entirely wrong that their lack of stuff is the result of some bad behavior on the part of others, right?
01:00:58.000The market, if the market just simply restricted people to wealth-producing behavior and said, I don't care how rich you get, but you shouldn't get rich for harming other people.
01:01:08.000If it did that, it distributed the incentive as widely as possible, nobody would be interested in communism.
01:01:14.000It only happens because we are deaf to the admittedly inarticulate complaints of the people who are shafted in this system.
01:02:21.000Like forget about even absolving student debt.
01:02:24.000Just like from now on, if we just funded higher education, if that was a mandate to fund higher education, think about how many more people would enter into the job market, how many more people would get educations, how many more people would pursue various different interests that they discovered while they were learning, and that you would never have had access to that education before because they couldn't afford it.
01:02:47.000As a resource, like human beings are our greatest resource.
01:02:51.000And a country with the least amount of losers is a better country.
01:02:56.000Like, if you want to make America great again, let's make less losers.
01:03:54.000It's one of the most important jobs that ever exists for you as a person is your interaction with a person who's going to teach you something when you're a child.
01:04:06.000It's like one of the most important things you could ever experience.
01:04:31.000And if socialism has a point, like if there is like a broader way of distributing things, like we do with the fire department, like we not instead of capping it out at that, how about look at all the problems we have in this country and put together a fucking game plan instead of just letting it exist like some weird fucking cancer that you just ignore because you hope it goes away.
01:06:09.000For people who don't know you, because millions of people do, but as a standalone podcast, we should probably tell people how we met because we met because I found out that you there was a they used to have a day at your school for people of color where they were appreciated so they could take the day off work and still get paid, right?
01:06:32.000And then they decided one day to change it to be a day where white people can't come.
01:06:38.000So, and then it got really fucking weird where you were confronted by these students that were saying that what you were saying was racist.
01:06:45.000And I was watching the videos and I thought you handled it brilliantly, but I was like, this is crazy.
01:06:50.000You're letting the kids run the school.
01:06:53.000And then there was the humiliation ritual that the president of the school had to go through with all those children where, you know, literally he was making a hand gesture.
01:07:02.000And they said, you're making aggressive hand gestures.
01:07:05.000And they were chastising him for his hand movements while he's just on a podium telling everybody to calm down.
01:07:34.000I'm like, because they're going to graduate.
01:07:37.000They're going to graduate and they're going to graduate with a bunch of other people who have also graduated and they have a new sense of the rules of the world.
01:07:44.000And they're going to get into positions of tech and they're going to get into positions of government.
01:08:04.000They were looking to commit violence on you because you thought that a day where you tell white people they can't show up at the school is nuts.
01:08:18.000You know, a day of appreciation is like you go up to your friends of color if this is what you want to do and say, hey, man, I appreciate you.
01:08:58.000And, you know, I'm reminded by your taking us back to 2017.
01:09:03.000During the week of riots at Evergreen, there was a moment which really kind of crystallized it for me where the school has melted down into literal anarchy.
01:09:17.000And I'm on what was called Red Square, right?
01:09:23.000Believe it or not, the most liberal college in the country has Red Square.
01:09:28.000Anyway, it's the center of the campus.
01:09:30.000And I was on Red Square, and I saw two of the leaders of the protest, you know, and so their world has gone crazy too.
01:09:39.000One of them was this handicapped guy in an electric wheelchair, black guy, you know, operating a wheelchair with a joystick.
01:09:50.000And I just felt like, you know, okay, this is madness.
01:10:32.000And I was just like, we are so far from being able to, you know, put our society back together if you can't just recognize another person's humanity.
01:11:09.000You're not saying anything awful, but it's because when you have an argument that falls apart under scrutiny, the only way to keep it together is violence because you're not willing to argue.
01:11:26.000You're not willing to debate because you're going to lose it.
01:12:54.000But it is an intentional blurring of that boundary, right?
01:12:58.000Like, you know, if you are putting me in jeopardy of, you know, some sort of genocidal outburst, then I am presumably allowed to respond to whatever it is that you've said with violence because in some sense I'm protecting myself from violence, right?
01:13:30.000And we have to get back to a place where we understand that I don't care how threatened you feel by what it is that you think I believe or what it is that I'm saying.
01:13:55.000There is no right to violence in that quadrant.
01:13:59.000The problem is, we don't teach people how to communicate in school.
01:14:03.000And I think it's one of the most important aspects of life that you have to learn on your own.
01:14:07.000And you learn a lot of times by the people that are around you.
01:14:11.000If you're around a bunch of insane leftists and they're furries and they're just out of their fucking minds and they're on various psychiatric medications and they're essentially running the whole fucking school, you know, and this is now their purpose in life.
01:14:26.000You're going to be thinking like them.
01:14:27.000You know, we're very behavior is very contagious to young, impressionable people.
01:14:35.000And I mean, I don't know how you solve that.
01:14:41.000That's always going to be, it's always like a thing that people have to navigate upon like leaving the house, finding your identity, who you are as a person.
01:14:50.000And when you're getting caught up in these, you know, movements, any kind of a movement becomes very exciting.
01:14:57.000Like, think about how many people are caught up in the movement of climate change.
01:15:01.000You know, like how many people are caught up in that movement?
01:15:10.000But is it, or is it you just found a movement?
01:15:14.000You found a thing where you feel like you can become attached to.
01:15:16.000It's just like a natural thing that young people tend to do when they want to make a change in life and they get very excited by it.
01:15:23.000But it's also really easy to get captured by existing systems when you're in that state because there's people that manipulate the fact that people want to protest things.
01:15:38.000They manipulate the fact that you want to be a part of a movement.
01:16:10.000We don't teach kids how to avoid scams.
01:16:12.000We don't teach kids how to communicate ideas without getting upset because that took a long time for me to learn.
01:16:19.000You know, and we don't have to figure it out through a lot of intelligent and challenging conversations where you're like, I don't know why I feel the way I feel.
01:16:28.000Let me examine why I feel the way I feel about this rather than just say what I think.
01:16:33.000Because sometimes that's required to have a delicate conversation between two people that disagree where no one gets to shouting.
01:16:42.000You know, every argument that I've ever been in where it was like, fuck you, or we got real loud, every one of them I probably could have avoided.
01:16:50.000Even if the other person was like hyper, super aggressive, I probably could have avoided them.
01:16:57.000I probably could have de-escalated it, you know.
01:17:02.000And that's a reality of being a human being that needs to be taught.
01:17:07.000Like that, that's something you learn on your own, but you should also explain these principles to kids as they're growing.
01:17:15.000Like, hey, you know how you feel jealous about someone?
01:17:18.000Yeah, you need to turn that into fuel.
01:17:41.000And you could teach people how to rethink scenarios when they come up and go, okay, I know this little bitch in me wants to be mad that this is not me happen that's getting to be Superman in this fucking movie or whatever it is.
01:17:54.000But that's just like cool that someone got to do that.
01:18:26.000Don't get like completely attached to your idea to the point where you're angry at this person because they voted this way and you voted that way.
01:18:35.000And now you've cut them out of your life.
01:18:38.000And you can no longer communicate with them because they're an other, because they're a liberal or they're a Republican.
01:19:04.000And if we don't teach kids that, we're going to stay suckered forever and ever.
01:19:09.000And it seems like something that can be taught.
01:19:12.000And there's almost no effort to explain to kids like how to navigate life.
01:19:18.000Well, I don't think, you know, I don't think teaching it is the right way to think of it.
01:19:22.000I think what you need is an environment in which it teaches itself, right?
01:19:27.000That's a coherent environment in which you learn the lesson, you know, at small scale before you're faced with a larger scale problem.
01:19:34.000That's probably a more clever way of handling it.
01:19:36.000But I mean, the principles of it would help to know as you're experiencing it.
01:19:41.000So as you're going through this trial and error, having these principles of how to navigate it so you could recognize it when it comes up because you've already defined it.
01:19:50.000You know, that's like what you do with skills, like physical skills.
01:19:54.000When you find like a deficit in what you're doing, you have to recognize that and define it.
01:19:59.000And if you don't define it, then it's going to always be there.
01:20:09.000Our culture, which I would argue is every bit as biological as our genes, our culture provided this experience.
01:20:17.000And this really is what human childhood is for.
01:20:20.000If you have an environment that is coherent as a child, that's like a miniature version of the adult world that you're going to grow up and live in, then you learn these lessons, right?
01:20:29.000You get your heartbroken by, you know, the girl that you fancied in grade school.
01:20:35.000And, you know, you learn something about, you know, what you did that caused her to leave or whatever.
01:20:42.000You know, you learn it at small scale.
01:20:44.000And we don't, A, our childhood environment doesn't look like our adult environment because the adult environment is changing so rapidly that nobody knows what environment you're going to live in as an adult.
01:22:00.000Although I'm not sure school is the place.
01:22:02.000And I do want to go back and tell you why I slightly disagree with your point about school overall and that that is the place to solve things.
01:22:29.000Because you just stepped across the event horizon into the AI era, and school is now an anachronism, and we don't know what is supposed to replace it.
01:22:41.000I have had the interesting experience of being on campus in two different colleges in the last week while I've been on the road.
01:22:53.000And I hadn't really spent much time on a college campus since 2017.
01:23:00.000Things are very different than they were.
01:23:05.000Think about what the job of a professor is these days.
01:23:08.000A professor is now in a position of managing a class full of people who have access to a highly intelligent computer interface that sometimes lies and sometimes makes stuff up, but is smarter than the professor.
01:23:29.000Yeah, explain that too, because many people might not know that they actually do what's called hallucinations.
01:23:36.000I'm not sure that's a great description of what they're doing, but it's sort of become the shorthand for that.
01:23:41.000I don't know why they used the term hallucinations, but essentially AI just invents answers if it doesn't know what they are.
01:23:47.000I mean, the problem is we don't really know what we programmed it to try to accomplish because what we did was we gave it the goal of saying the next thing that was right.
01:24:00.000And so they're not programmed to be truthful.
01:24:03.000They're programmed to be effective in some way where we haven't really defined what they're effective at.
01:24:08.000And so you can get a highly cogent analysis of a question you've just thought of that nobody's ever thought of before.
01:24:19.000You can also get back a credible sounding answer that doesn't stand up if you go and look into what it's based on.
01:24:28.000And anyway, for the moment, that makes the problem of the professor somewhat tractable, right?
01:24:36.000Because a student can't totally rely on the fact that whatever Grock just told them is going to pass muster with this person who knows something about the subject.
01:24:44.000But again, we're five minutes in here.
01:24:48.000This is not, you know, the job of a professor has gone almost to the hopefully creative full-time policing of plagiarism, if that's even what they should be doing.
01:25:06.000Because if you think about what world these college kids are going to go make their careers in, they are going to be leveraging AI.
01:25:16.000So in some sense, the professor's job may have just transitioned from teaching you about this subject to teaching you how to manage this repository that knows more about the subject than you ever will.
01:25:30.000But the professor never trained for that.
01:25:33.000So anyway, my point is, at the moment, we do not know if school persists through this era, if it transforms into something different and better, if We just don't know what it is that is going to shepherd children into young adulthood, into adulthood,
01:25:59.000because all of the relationships now have AI between them.
01:26:06.000I mean, in fact, one of the things when I was on this campus in Phoenix a few nights ago, I was doing a debate about AI, and my point to the students was you are now dealing with something that is going to profoundly alter every relationship in your life,
01:26:27.000even if it doesn't have anything obvious to do with AI, because you're talking to the AI, and whoever you're talking to is also talking to the AI.
01:26:37.000So it is going to be like a ghost in your machine.
01:26:41.000Inside your head, the AI is going to be having this impact.
01:26:44.000It's like what we've just faced with algorithms, but tenfold more profound.
01:26:50.000And so what I suggested to the students was you need to find at least one person.
01:26:58.000Like I'm thinking about a romantic partner, but you need to find at least one person where you can establish a relationship that is not profoundly intermediated by this unknown new species that happens to speak your language.
01:27:15.000And, you know, in some sense, I'm borrowing from what Heather and I learned during COVID, which is that the fact that our relationship was independent of the algorithms, you know, that we were in the same place and that we spoke the same language to each other and that we knew a lot of things in common, that immunized us a great deal to being, you know, pushed around by these proclamations that were coming through the internet.
01:27:43.000This is the need for that, but at a much higher level.
01:27:51.000Who's going to be the first to have AI just teach rooms of kids?
01:27:56.000What school is going to be the first to say this is better?
01:27:59.000It's been statistically proven that they get better test results, get into more universities?
01:28:34.000And it's going to get, you know, Elon made the promise, he was talking on this podcast that best case scenario, no, I shouldn't say made the promise, made the prediction of best case scenario is like a universal high income where there'll be so much wealth generated that no one will essentially have to work.
01:28:50.000And I was like, well, isn't that like the best version of socialism?
01:28:54.000Like if you never have to worry about stuff anymore, like no one has to worry about goods and services because this alien life form that you've created that now dominates the earth has allowed you to have all this stuff.
01:29:10.000So now you could just exist for as long as you want.
01:29:26.000Movements have always existed, but they're not, you know, you don't always live in an era where there's an important one, you know, in your town that you can join.
01:29:36.000In general, that's not what people do with life.
01:29:40.000And what I think has happened is, Well, frankly, I'm going to connect it to the sexual revolution.
01:29:50.000The sexual revolution creates the opportunity to get one of the most profound rewards, in fact, the most profound reward that the universe has ever produced, as far as we know, without having to invest very much work at all.
01:30:08.000So by making sex common, it totally altered the way people viewed the number of years they had to live.
01:30:18.000They could afford to put off child rearing.
01:30:22.000It could be distant in the future, which left all of these young people with all of this energy who might well not have been involved in movements if they were struggling to raise a family.
01:30:37.000But because the family part has been put off so long, it is considered abnormal to marry early.
01:30:46.000What people do is they take the energy, the seriousness of purpose that would ordinarily be directed into managing a marriage and the role of being a parent, and they put it into something.
01:31:03.000And Heather has pointed out that this is especially powerful with young women who seem to take on causes, you know, and they defend them like a mother defending her child.
01:31:19.000And the point is, if the idea is, well, climate change is a threat, and your role here on Earth is to make sure that that threat is addressed and you put the mama bear energy into your climate change work, well, you know, that's pretty frightening, especially if climate change isn't the threat that it's been made out to be, right?
01:31:41.000You have a large number of mama bears doing this ferocious work, and there's a question about what it even is, whether that's even in the top 10 list of concerns we ought to have.
01:31:56.000So anyway, the connection I wanted to draw is that the projection that you're telling me, Elon, has made about a high income for everybody is a little bit like another version of that, right?
01:32:13.000It's like, okay, well, sex became relatively easy to access as a result of reliable birth control plus abortion.
01:32:24.000And then now wealth, the ability purchasing power, is going to become trivial as a result of AI.
01:32:32.000I don't know if that's likely, but let's say that Elon is right about that.
01:32:37.000Well, okay, then what exactly is supposed to structure your orientation to the universe?
01:32:46.000If it's not producing kids and protecting them from the horrors of the world and making them strong so that they can go out into it and accomplish important things of their own, and it's not creating wealth so that you will be rewarded and that your spouse will smile on you, whatever it is, then what is human purpose?
01:33:10.000I think this is a terrifying prospect that everything might be taken care of for us and leave human beings listless.
01:33:26.000But why is it that we have to make money a made-up thing that we created?
01:33:34.000Why is it that is what gives us purpose?
01:33:38.000Well, why is that our only motivation?
01:33:40.000And in absence of chasing food, housing, necessities, electricity, all that, if you don't ever have to worry about any of that stuff ever again.
01:33:53.000Why is life dependent upon the pursuit of money?
01:33:58.000Is it just because we've grown accustomed to it and it's our way?
01:34:02.000And so we think that our way is the absolute only way.
01:34:17.000We can adapt to the idea that you don't have to spend your whole fucking life hoping to get a job you hate and working your ass off all the time because that's the only way to make it in this world.
01:34:29.000Well, that's a world that people made.
01:34:33.000And if somebody actually does come along and say, look, this is not socialism.
01:34:39.000It's not saying you can't earn money, but what if you had enough money that you didn't have to think about money?
01:34:46.000Like, if you think about that $37 trillion of this fucking country's in debt for and how much wealth could potentially be generated by AI, we're talking about so much money floating around.
01:34:57.000If you just gave everybody in the country a real high-income, livable life so there's no more poverty anymore.
01:35:37.000Well, I don't know what no one is ever poor means because we obviously, even the poorest person who isn't homeless currently, they have indoor plumbing.
01:35:51.000They have a supercomputer in their pocket access to the world's information.
01:35:58.000They are, by many measures, just simply in absolute terms, vastly richer than anybody from 300 years ago.
01:36:09.000That's true, but it still sucks because it's not 300 years ago.
01:36:12.000It's 2025 and you have zero money and you're eating ramen to just try to stay alive.
01:36:47.000And there's a reason for that, which I think, you know, this is a reasonably well-reproduced result.
01:36:54.000We know that human beings pay attention to their relative well-being and that it structures how they feel about their absolute circumstances.
01:37:02.000Right, but couldn't that be hijacked by hobbies?
01:37:06.000You know, if you, if instead of your need to define yourself completely wrapped up in money, which is, again, a made-up thing.
01:37:15.000We're talking about the only species on the planet that we're aware of that wants to accumulate so much shit that it defines itself by it and it's constantly chasing new shit, right?
01:37:28.000Like, why does that have to be the only way we do it?
01:37:31.000No, I don't think it does have to be the only way.
01:37:32.000Well, I think this is where Uncle AI is going to step in and fix it for us, right?
01:39:16.000I'm going to push back on you there because what we are suffering from is the junkification of everything, right?
01:39:26.000And there's a way in which junk food is good, and then there's obviously a way in which it's really not.
01:39:33.000And I guess the point is something that is superficially satisfying but does not the relationship between a person listening to music and the person producing the music is supposed to be a provocative relationship.
01:39:53.000And it is supposed to be provocative in a productive way.
01:39:57.000In other words, you're supposed to be enhanced by music.
01:40:02.000I'm not saying that you will never be triggered to have an interesting thought by artificially intelligently produced music, but the fact I mean, this is probably easier to do with comedy, right?
01:40:17.000Which I think will be the last to fall at some point.
01:40:22.000Have you ever heard AI making good jokes?
01:40:29.000I've seen AI fake comedians tell competent jokes, like pretty good, like that you would see it at open mic night when someone's got a little talent.
01:41:40.000But I did once hear an interview with one of their writers who said that they, in the writer room, they had a term that they called humor-like substance, where for the half-hour show, they needed just one more joke that they could use to justify the use of the laugh track.
01:42:02.000It didn't have to actually be a funny joke.
01:42:04.000It just had to sound enough like a joke that when the laugh track was put on it, the people at home would feel that something funny had been said.
01:42:12.000So the AI, if it produces jokes that actually cause you to think, which is what a good joke does, it causes you to realize something that you didn't know that you knew or something along those lines, that's productive.
01:42:27.000And in fact, it can be very productive to have a room full of people come to that awareness simultaneously.
01:43:44.000And something is crafting this that is of a type of intelligence that we've never experienced before.
01:43:50.000And I'm looking at it as, look, it exists.
01:43:54.000That genie's not going back in the bottle.
01:43:57.000I am a glass half-full guy, and I'm going to enjoy myself in this life.
01:44:02.000And I'm going to enjoy some good AI music.
01:44:04.000It doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to some Sturgil Simpson or some Gary Clark Jr. or some fortifying soul-filled songs that are written and sung by real human beings.
01:44:30.000You're going to miss out on some awesome jams.
01:44:32.000I'll tell you, man, when we're in the fucking green room at the mothership, and I put on Hello Gangsta before a show, and we're all like, God damn, we heard that song 30 times.
01:44:42.000It's so good that it gets you fired up and it achieves its, it's not dehumanizing your perspective on art and causing you to only appreciate things that are created by a different life form and not by human beings.
01:44:56.000No, it's just it's doing its own thing and it's a new thing.
01:44:59.000It doesn't mean I don't still love Bob Dylan.
01:45:02.000Well, but, you know, you have lived enough of a life before the AI era began that you can experiment with this thing.
01:45:55.000Over something that does not have a substantial case fatality rate.
01:46:01.000And they're capable of being induced to bully each other into developmentally damaging restrictions on kids, into taking experimental gene therapies and shunning people who refuse to or who pointed out that that might be a dangerous thing to do.
01:46:26.000Like all that we know about the times in the past where they've given medications to people that they knew were going to be problematic and they did it for profit.
01:47:04.000It's the first time in our lives that the entire country got kind of medically bamboozled.
01:47:11.000And a lot of people regret taking the vaccine, and I don't know anybody who regrets not taking the vaccine.
01:47:18.000It was a weird, it was a weird time, like a very bizarre experiment on how you can get people to comply, how you can restrict their movement, that you can implement these sort of devices to, if you're not physically forcing them to do it, make their life as shitty as possible.
01:47:36.000And Fauci's been quoted as saying that.
01:47:38.000You want to get to drop their ideological bullshit and get vaccinated.
01:49:56.000You can't go cold turkey and you're eating too much of it.
01:49:58.000And so you're always going to be tempted.
01:49:59.000And the stuff that you need to eat is going to cause you discomfort because you've got to reduce calories and get your body to start burning fat.
01:50:08.000If you can give someone a little boost, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
01:50:13.000I think it should be managed with the understanding of your weight and that it can also be managed with other peptides that could diminish the disastrous results of bone loss and muscle loss, which is a significant portion loss.
01:50:30.000But according to Brigham Buehler, who runs a compounding pharmacy and understands this, he's like, it's very dose-dependent.
01:50:37.000He goes, and pharmaceutical drug companies make more money if the dose is larger.
01:50:42.000And he was explaining how this is part of the problem they have with compounding pharmacies, because compounding pharmacies can kind of make the doses that's appropriate to your body mass, how much weight you're trying to lose.
01:50:54.000But that just for regular people, no, goddammit, clean up your diet, go to the gym, cut the shit.
01:51:00.000But for someone who's really struggling, who's 500 fucking pounds and can't stop eating, that at least kills your appetite.
01:51:08.000And it'll allow you to get to a healthy form.
01:51:10.000And then maybe through therapy and maybe through something else, or maybe just the momentum of now being healthy will allow you to keep the weight off and then slowly get off this stuff.
01:51:22.000The problem is, I think you're supposed to stay on it, which is kind of crazy.
01:51:27.000And it is essentially a type 2 diabetes medication, right?
01:51:31.000Which, you know, if you know anything about type 2 diabetes, a lot of it, you know, people can, it could be a product of too much sugar consumption.
01:51:39.000You eat too much sugar and then eventually your body's like, oh, we're fucked.
01:51:43.000And that would make sense, that a medication that would control your appetite would help you in that regard.
01:51:50.000Yeah, I just don't think it's a safe drug.
01:51:52.000And, you know, it's one thing if you're talking about somebody who is many hundreds of pounds overweight, you're talking about somebody who has a dire situation and engaging in dangerous.
01:52:08.000A drug that you're meant to be on for the rest of your life?
01:52:10.000No, I don't know if that's true, though.
01:52:13.000Like, if you just get off it, then you have your appetite, but now you have a body that weighs 200 pounds instead of 350 pounds and you're motivated to do it.
01:52:53.000Well, I would say there is a tremendous amount of potential value, not just in terms of things like weight control, appetite reset, and all of that, but in terms of all kinds of chronic health conditions from fasting, there is a small body of literature on it, which should be much larger.
01:53:15.000There's lots of stuff that your body can't do if it's in the same cycle that it's usually in, that it can do when you break that cycle.
01:53:25.000There's all sorts, you know, Heather and I, I've done a ton of regular water fasting, and I've done a smaller amount of dry fasting.
01:53:37.000Heather and I have been experimenting with that because Heather has some injuries from a boat accident in 2016 that caused a lot of internal soft tissue damage.
01:53:50.000Dry fasting appears to trigger autophagy.
01:53:54.000It appears to reset things about the gut.
01:53:56.000I think it can do it in both directions, but what we need is a better understanding of how it is that you deploy it.
01:54:04.000And we need to get people past the false sense that they have that they are actually taking their life into their hands if they try this.
01:54:16.000And I definitely think there's some benefits to fasting, and especially particularly intermittent fasting.
01:54:22.000I think it's a really good way to eat.
01:54:23.000It makes you feel better, gives your digestion a break.
01:54:28.000The problem is it requires discipline.
01:54:32.000And this is where I think I'm leaning in this direction of drugs can help.
01:54:39.000Now, look, I'm not a big fan of everybody being on SSRIs, but I personally have friends that were severely depressed and suicidal, and they got on SSRIs and they felt better and they got their life together and then they got their life together and they started feeling better and the depression waned and then they slowly got off of those drugs because they're very smart people and very motivated people.
01:55:01.000So I think sometimes pharmaceutical drugs can come in and give you a little boost.
01:55:08.000Just because we're distrustful of them and just because we know that they've done horrible things in the past, it doesn't mean that every now and then they come up with something that's very beneficial in a specific scenario.
01:55:20.000In the specific scenario of you don't have any discipline, you are fucking fully addicted to sugar and carbohydrates like a goddamn junkie.
01:55:30.000And you've been consuming nothing but garbage for a long time, but then you realize like, I can't do this anymore.
01:55:36.000I've got to figure out a way to do it.
01:55:37.000And then you keep falling back on your old habits over and over again because you never had an opportunity in your life to develop discipline.
01:55:43.000It's almost like a little boost, just a little boost.
01:55:46.000You know, like maybe you've got chronic fatigue and your doctor gives you 30 milligrams of Adderall and all of a sudden you're like, that worked.
01:55:53.000Like, I don't think you should take Adderall, but I don't have chronic fatigue.
01:56:04.000Like, if you're really overweight and someone gives you something that controls your appetite and then you can get healthy again, like that, to me, is the most important thing.
01:56:13.000The most important thing is getting your body to a point where you can be mobile.
01:56:21.000And as long as you're strength training and this protocol that they're trying to develop is like getting it to your body weight and using additional peptides that could benefit in the maintaining of bone mass and muscle mass.
01:57:28.000Do they know that is there like a dose that a person can take that gives a moderate effect but has less of appetite suppressant but is safer?
01:57:40.000I don't know the answer to that question.
01:57:43.000Frankly, what has been presented to us is so preposterous that I have not delved to see whether there's some reasonable version of it.
01:57:53.000See, I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible about this.
01:57:55.000And that's why I would imagine myself if I had gotten to the point where I was like severely obese and someone came along and gave me something and it was giving me a positive result.
01:58:05.000And they told me you got to take it for the rest of your life.
01:58:07.000I'd be like, okay, but now I weigh 200 pounds instead of 350 pounds.
01:58:13.000Well, look, if that's not fucking me up.
01:58:15.000If that's the scenario, if you're 300 pounds and you can get to 200 pounds and you're going to pay a price, maybe it will shorten your life.
01:58:22.000Maybe it will have important side effects.
01:58:24.000But you can at least compare them if you have good information.
01:58:28.000The fact is being 300 pounds is really freaking unhealthy.
01:58:30.000So the fact that this drug may be really freaking unhealthy is not a fatal argument.
01:58:35.000Right, it might be equally unhealthy, but at least you get to hold it.
01:59:19.000It is normal to make deals, even just in real biology space without any drugs or technology.
01:59:28.000It is normal to discount the future in favor of an improved present.
01:59:32.000That's, you know, future discounting is a normal human function.
01:59:35.000I'm not arguing that somebody who made that deal with all of the information is necessarily making a mistake.
01:59:41.000I feel certain they won't have all the information.
01:59:43.000I feel certain that this is going to be given to people, A, for whom there is a vastly better approach, and B, for whom the degradation in their life will be much greater than whatever gains they make.
02:00:11.000Did you see Paul Offutt admitting that he and Fauci and Walensky and Collins knew that natural immunity was superior and that it did not make any sense to be giving these shots, even if they thought the shots worked?
02:00:28.000It wouldn't make any sense to give them to young people who'd had COVID.
02:01:37.000They're going to game the scientific literature so that we will have endless arguments about, you know, who's a fool because you will have ample evidence, whichever side of the equation you're on.
02:01:48.000And they've turned a drug like ivermectin into a fool's drug.
02:01:57.000But I don't think it really worked, but it did work.
02:01:59.000It worked for a long time, but I think most people don't think of it the same way anymore.
02:02:04.000But they did it in the age of the internet.
02:02:06.000They did it in the age where anybody look at their phone instantaneously and read that the guy who invented ivermectin won a fucking Nobel Prize for it.
02:02:17.000And how many different does the fact that it stops viral replication in vitro, in test tubes or whatever the fuck they do it in?
02:02:27.000It's a weird antiviral that has profound effects.
02:02:31.000It's very effective and has a very low dose of like, I don't think anybody's ever died from it.
02:02:39.000It is a profoundly safe drug in comparison to all the others.
02:02:43.000Its safety profile is like one of the best ever, right?
02:02:46.000And the one that gets me now, the one that I wish somebody had said to me earlier, is that it works generally across single-stranded RNA viruses.
02:03:00.000Most people hearing this that are highly educated, that are, you know, mainstream narrative thinking a little bit, are listening to you and go, this is bullshit conspiracy theory.
02:03:10.000This is a bullshit ivermectin didn't work, man.
02:05:26.000But if you say, you know, like if the government came on TV and they say, we've located the devil, he's in Pakistan and we're going to begin bombing.
02:06:16.000But when you see a massacre in some third world country where religious fanatics or rival tribes massacre people, if that's not evil, like what is evil?
02:06:28.000And if you can get into the minds of people and convince them that they have to go machete their distant neighbors, like if that's not like something that Satan would do, like what is that then?
02:06:40.000And if we wrote, if people throughout history wrote about Satan and wrote about God and wrote about the conflict of good and evil, and then we're like, oh, yeah, but the devil stuff is not real.
02:06:51.000The devil, the God stuff's real, but the devil's not, come on, there's no devil.
02:06:55.000But like, the results are the same as if the devil was real, is my point.
02:07:58.000You want, game theoretically, the ideal strategy is perfect amorality because it can behave morally when that's advantageous and it can behave immorally when that's advantageous.
02:08:15.000But I'm saying just game theoretically, that is going to be the most effective strategy is one that can be moral and amoral or it can behave in whatever way is ideal for the individual circumstance.
02:08:29.000To delight in doing harm is to miss the opportunity to be good when it's the right thing to do.
02:08:36.000So I would have expected evil to be a very rare phenomenon because it's self-extinguishing, right?
02:08:42.000If you're doing harm for its own sake, that's not a way to get ahead.
02:08:46.000You'll be out-competed by people who are amoral at the very least.
02:08:50.000But I see so many things that strike me as meriting that label.
02:08:57.000I mean, for example, the pedophilia that you're talking about.
02:09:01.000I don't understand the ability to destroy a child for your own gratification.
02:09:15.000Like, I'm sorry, that merits the term.
02:09:19.000And it apparently is more common than most of us have believed until recently.
02:09:27.000Particularly like the man-boy stuff, which is, does that go back to when there was no birth control, so if you had sex with a woman, you very likely procreated.
02:09:43.000And you probably, if you wanted to stop people from procreating, you probably separate men and women.
02:09:49.000So you get a bunch of horny boys around each other, and the big ones abuse the smaller ones.
02:09:58.000Or is it just a concentration of sexual wealth, effectively?
02:10:07.000That if you have some force that allows basically the hoarding of mates, leaving a lot of guys with no prospect, you might imagine that they might innovate something.
02:10:26.000That the sex drive is so profoundly powerful that if some force makes it impossible to find a mate, that other things would happen.
02:10:40.000I don't know if that's what's explaining it.
02:10:41.000I don't know enough about the phenomenon.
02:10:43.000I've seen reports of this behavior, and it's super disturbing.
02:10:49.000It's just super disturbing that it exists so much in history and that it's accepted so much in history.
02:10:57.000And here's another weird one: like the Spartans were gay, right?
02:11:02.000They all had lovers that were other men that they fought alongside.
02:11:06.000And their idea was that you would fight harder to protect your lover.
02:11:13.000That one almost makes more sense to me.
02:11:41.000Was it shame that the momentum of people doing it to more people, people that got molested, went on to molest, and it was like more common?
02:11:50.000Well, you got to split those two phenomena.
02:11:59.000I think I've mentioned this to you before, but I have a hypothesis that the reason that ships are female is because it causes the people who man them to defend them properly.
02:12:22.000And so, anyway, my point would be that the female naming of ships has persisted because actually it preserves ships and the cultures that preserve their ships better out-compete the ones that preserve their ships less well.
02:12:36.000So anyway, you could imagine that, you know, gay soldiers who did, you know, I mean, every guy is built to want, you're built to defend your lover.
02:12:49.000And it's hard for me to relate to that being a guy because I don't swing that way.
02:12:54.000But if you did feel that way about a guy, then you can imagine that your ferocity in battle would be enhanced by that sense of protectiveness.
02:13:40.000And then some of it must still persist at very high levels.
02:13:46.000Because some of these fucking psychopaths that get into these great positions of power, they probably have some very bizarre needs.
02:13:53.000All right, we put it into our sponsor perplexity.
02:13:57.000It says among samurai in Japan, some same-sex relationships, particularly male-male ones, were indeed recognized and culturally integrated, somewhat similar to Spartan practices, but with distinct Japanese characteristics.
02:14:10.000The practice was known as shudo or nan shoku, where intense erotic and mentorship bonds were formed between an adult samurai, nenja, and a younger male apprentice or page, wakashu.
02:14:29.000The institution function within a strict role framework with the elder as the active partner and the younger as the receptive one.
02:14:37.000Boy, that's a weird way to put the old guy fucks the kid.
02:14:41.000That's the most euphemistic term I've ever seen to the old guy fucks the kid.
02:15:37.000Is there any information on what, you know, I guess in this case, what you're reading suggests a mentor relationship, which suggests that these kids are maturing into other roles?
02:16:54.000So you're looking at the behavior between individuals, and you're saying that's grotesque and doesn't make sense.
02:17:03.000And the question is, does the larger context, especially when you're dealing with things like samurai, you know, that are basically fundamentally about the continuance of a lineage, there's a question about what, you know, what makes for a functional samurai culture.
02:17:27.000I'm no expert in this, so I can't even look at that case and give you a proposal.
02:17:32.000I don't know enough about the context to say how it might work, but I can tell you where you have a paradox like that, you either have the case that I think is going on in Afghanistan where it's just purely predatory, right?
02:17:45.000Well, I think in order, I mean, if it truly is a mentor relationship and that they all do it, it's essentially the same sort of function as with the Spartans, right?
02:17:56.000Like they would be fighting alongside each other.
02:18:00.000If you were going to develop an army, like you would probably, first of all, they're not going to have any contact with females for a long period of time.
02:18:10.000Well, I think what I'm getting at is I think you and I are struggling with that landscape and what it might mean.
02:18:20.000Because you and I are fundamentally Western and lineage against lineage violence is not our mindset.
02:18:29.000And so anytime you and I look at lineage against lineage violence, there are paradoxes aplenty.
02:18:40.000And the problem, one of the things that I'm spending a lot of time thinking about is the fact that lineage against lineage violence is reasserting itself, that the West was the alternative to that.
02:18:53.000And lineage against lineage violence is reasserting itself and it is threatening to drag the whole world back into it because it is fundamentally more stable, right?
02:19:41.000We were learning to be productive together with people who were not closely related to us.
02:19:47.000And we are contracting now back into this view of, well, it's us against them and they got to go.
02:20:03.000Do you think there's a way to change course, like the negative things that are going on in society right now, the negative things that we all feel when you're talking about whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies getting involved in your health care narratives in order to make more money?
02:20:21.000Do you think there's a way forward where this corrects itself?
02:20:25.000Or we correct it, or we get to a much more healthy balance.
02:20:28.000You're never going to get everybody who's involved in every aspect of society to be a good person with kindness in their heart and a general overall want for the good of mankind.
02:20:40.000You're not going to have that everywhere.
02:20:41.000You're always going to have some people that are out for themselves.
02:20:44.000But is there a way to balance it and make it much more in the direction of everybody recognizing, like, hey, this way we're doing this is not good for anybody, and it's being manipulated by foreign governments all day long, and you're addicted to the thing that it's manipulating you on.
02:21:03.000And whether or not you realize it, you're at least somewhat affected by this data that's coming at you.
02:21:32.000You're never going to get rid of all the bad people, but that it's tolerant, you know, that it deals with the bad people sufficiently well, that the good people have enough of a stake, that the objectives are clear enough, that people have meaning in their life, that they can't, can it be structured so that it works?
02:24:34.000And the money people are infiltrating all the science people and telling them what to say about stuff.
02:24:41.000If scientists, like as a whole, were always entirely objective about every single subject and never ever subject to bribery like the sugar people were, like when they gave them the sugar to say that it was all saturated fats causing all these heart disease and all these people are obese because of saturated fat.
02:25:05.000It's all so money gets into the if the scientists were true, if they were like knights and they could not tell a lie, we would have never got into half the messes that we're in with pharmaceutical drug companies.
02:25:17.000But they work for the pharmaceutical drug companies.
02:25:19.000And then the people that are involved in the FDA, if they leave, they get a cushy job with the pharmaceutical drug companies and it's totally legal.
02:25:27.000So there's no incentive to be a knight.
02:25:33.000I mean, in some ways, I feel like nobody knows better.
02:25:36.000But I am disheartened to discover how little power, even when the curtain is pulled back and we can see the gross excesses and the massive wave of destruction that was created, even in that circumstance, we can't make the most basic alteration.
02:26:01.000Taking the mRNA COVID shots off the market.
02:26:22.000What are they saying it does for you now?
02:26:25.000I mean, I guess they're sticking with their, you know, like 14th fallback position of it reduces the harm of COVID.
02:26:33.000No, is this because pulling it from the market is an admission of guilt or an admission of knowledge that it's not effective and it's not necessary anymore?
02:27:26.000The insufficient amount of safety testing that was done before these things were released was done with mRNA vaccines produced in a process that did not involve DNA.
02:27:46.000The product that was actually injected into billions of people involved DNA plasmids, and there is massive contamination in the shots that were actually delivered, including the SV40 promoter, Simeon Virus 40.
02:28:03.000We talked about that the last time we were on, right?
02:28:08.000But in any case, the point is, for you to put your process one drug through safety testing and then inject people with something different that has other components that were not tested is fraudulent.
02:28:22.000Can I stop you real quick so this could be standalone?
02:28:25.000Could you just explain the whole SV40 thing to people and how it became an issue?
02:28:30.000So there are lots of techniques that are used in order to generate a lot of product, right?
02:28:39.000In this case, what they used is a plasmid, which is a circular piece of DNA, in order to basically create vats that would grow the product necessary that would later be coated in the lipid nanoparticle.
02:28:53.000So they used bacteria to do the heavy lifting.
02:28:58.000There is a requirement that you purify DNA out, and there are standards, which are way too high, but there are standards that you can't go above in terms of how much DNA contamination you can have left over from your production process.
02:29:14.000But in this case, it isn't even that the quality control is garbage and there was too much stuff left over because the process didn't work very well.
02:29:26.000The problem is that there was a much more painstaking way of producing technically the same product that did not involve DNA plasmids at all.
02:29:37.000And so what you've got left over in these vials, and we're talking about largely the work of Kevin McKernan, who took vials that were given to him, stuff that was actually injected in people, there was leftover stuff in the vials, and he tested a bunch of these things, found DNA contamination across the board.
02:29:55.000So what you're left with is a promoter, which is a genetic trigger that we know is common in lab techniques, and it originally comes from simian virus 40, and we know that it's carcinogenic.
02:30:10.000So that promoter is left over in vials from shots that were actually injected into people.
02:30:19.000And that means that all of the things that we were told about the potential for these mRNA shots to integrate into your genome, that was impossible, they told us, right?
02:30:30.000Well, first of all, it's not impossible.
02:30:32.000There's lots of interesting stuff that goes on in cells that involves reverse transcription and things like that.
02:30:37.000But even what we were told that there's no DNA, so integration is not an issue, was a lie because there is DNA left over in these vials, and it's not just some old DNA.
02:30:50.000It's DNA with the SV40 promoter, which is a genetic engineering tool that has carcinogenic potential.
02:30:58.000So it seems to me this is clear fraud.
02:31:02.000You can't inject a different product into the public on the basis of safety testing that was done with something produced by a different process.
02:31:11.000Can you explain how they got this SV40 from these monkeys?
02:31:16.000Like, what, and how it got into these vaccines and other vaccines in the past as well, right?
02:31:22.000I will tell you what I think I remember from this story.
02:31:25.000I should probably have brushed up on it if we were going to talk about this.
02:31:28.000But I believe that the story is that in the production of early polio vaccines, monkey kidneys were used.
02:31:39.000And SV40 was a virus that I think was unknown that showed up, that because you're using cells and viruses infect cells, that SV40 showed up in that process.
02:31:53.000So anyway, I wish I was more certain of what the story was.
02:31:57.000So the monkey kidneys, the virus from the monkey kidneys got into whatever this vaccine was, and then that infected people with SV40.
02:32:06.000Were there a correlating or a corresponding rise in cancer among the time where they were doing that?
02:32:14.000I don't know the answer to that question.
02:32:16.000I don't know how well studied it's been.
02:32:18.000So why do we think that it causes cancer?
02:32:59.000Why would the decisions be made to do it a different way?
02:33:01.000Well, I mean, I think the obvious reason is because in the one case, you get a much purer product, which is much more likely to get through the safety testing.
02:33:08.000And in the other case, you get the rapid expansion of production.
02:34:13.000For one thing, the fact that it's a computer model in the first place means that you cannot test the hypothesis that it saved or didn't save lives.
02:34:34.000That's the reason why they have to keep belittling ivermectin.
02:34:38.000Imagine if we get to a position where AI can do definitive breakdowns of the efficacy of certain compounds that's stopping certain diseases like COVID-19.
02:34:48.000And it says that with this dose, with this body weight, you do it this amount of times and it should offer like 70% protection.
02:34:56.000And then they run that into what's the actual data on the vaccine causing side effects and injury.
02:35:03.000And we just get this horrible reality in front of us that I think everybody who took the shot is really wanting to avoid the mind fuck of knowing that you got used as a little piggy bank for the pharmaceutical drug companies to push some experimental shit on you and tell you that it's both safe and effective.
02:35:23.000It's both safe and which, by the way, didn't Fauci use that same term for AZT back in the day?
02:35:54.000They're priming it so that it can't do the proper work, which means that this potentially extremely valuable tool, frightening, yes, but potentially extremely valuable tool is going to be compromised because it is going to be intentionally misled with phony articles, papers, all of that stuff.
02:36:13.000Long-term AZT appears safe and effective.
02:39:04.000For those of us who were tracking his mental decrepitude since before he was elected, there's no way that they thought that he was going to do OK in that debate.
02:43:58.000Like it's just – the fact that someone could be the man that pushed that and make it all the way through in his career to COVID and do the same thing is so wild.
02:44:14.000Well, you know, I don't really even know what Anthony Fauci – That video?
02:44:41.000I may be conflating two different speeches that he – where he complained about them.
02:44:46.000But I know in this one he's – he's saying he doesn't know what he's talking about.
02:44:51.000It's about humanity that wants to go to all the details and stuff and listen to – you know, these guys like Fauci get up there and start talking to me.
02:44:59.000You know, he doesn't know anything really about anything.
02:45:04.000The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it's got a virus in there you'll know it.
02:45:11.000He doesn't understand electron microscopy and he doesn't understand medicine.
02:45:15.000He should not be in a position like he's in.
02:45:18.000Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don't know anything about what's going on at the bottom.
02:45:24.000You know, those guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way.
02:45:34.000They've got a personal kind of agenda.
02:45:37.000They make up their own rules as they go.
02:45:40.000And they smugly, like Tony Fauci, does not mind going on television in front of the people to pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.
02:46:16.000I don't think we exactly know the reason.
02:46:18.000Let's play that Pink Floyd song again.
02:46:21.000Well, but, you know, presumably that's not where the bulk of his wealth is coming from.
02:46:27.000But it is a measure of his position in the hierarchy.
02:46:31.000And his ability to ensure that other people exceed their wildest expectations.
02:46:38.000I mean, if you can get that guy to push your drug, you know, you're making a lot of money.
02:46:44.000Yeah, but I even think it's a mistake to think of him in the medical and public health context because what we now know is that he was part of dual-use research, that this is actually a military project to create bioweapons through a loophole.
02:47:01.000We're not allowed to create bioweapons, but you are allowed to do research that leads to bioweapons as long as it has a medical dimension.
02:47:09.000Again, this is something that you put into someone's head and they'll go, no, no, no, no.
02:47:33.000And not only that, but because it is inherently not visible to the public, you know, we have sort of the public health justification for work.
02:47:44.000You know, why were they enhancing viruses in the lab, Joe?
02:47:47.000Oh, they were doing it because they wanted to know what a virus would look like so that we would be aware of how to fend it off if it ever leapt out of nature.
02:48:24.000Well, you know, this is one of these frustrating places where I think it's perfectly obvious and should be to anybody who is trained in any related discipline that the story does not make sense.
02:48:39.000That the chances that you are going to enhance a virus's infectivity and that it is going to get out and become endemic to humans far exceeds the chances that you are going to learn something by increasing its ability to infect human tissue that allows you to fend off some natural virus that emerges.
02:48:59.000The story literally doesn't make sense.
02:49:01.000It's a pyromaniac, an arsonist who works for the fire department.
02:49:08.000So, what we have to infer, and I'm borrowing from Robert Malone here, who at the Brownstone conference that I was recently at, pointed out that the mentality amongst guys like Fauci is identical to the one in Dr. Strangelove.
02:49:28.000Yeah, it's a really deep point, right?
02:49:30.000That mania about, you know, nuclear weapons and mineshafts and we can still win this one even though, you know, nuclear war is happening.
02:49:40.000That same kind of mindset where these people are actually crazy enough to create new human pathogens for which they have no escape plan, right?
02:49:50.000They're crazy enough to do that because in their demented minds, you know, there's going to be some biological war and we're going to need to have these weapons, right?
02:50:01.000These people belong in a mental institution.
02:50:05.000Creating new human pathogens is the exact opposite of creating wealth.
02:50:11.000And you know there's going to be some shill who pops up and says, Brett is totally off with this.
02:50:16.000What we have learned through this work is the reason why we're all alive today.
02:50:21.000If it wasn't for their brave work, there are these people that just step in.
02:50:27.000There'll be people that do it because they want online clout.
02:50:29.000There's going to be people that are doing it because, you know, they're a part of a fucking chatbot network that's attacking this point.
02:50:37.000But the reality is it's a crazy idea, especially if you've never come up with a fucking cure.
02:50:43.000You've been studying these respiratory viruses for how long?
02:52:08.000And it's wild how gullible a large swath of our society is.
02:52:14.000And that's why I think, like, a better education for young people to at least give them a framework to understand what's happening to you and how you're getting bamboozled and why, why it's been going on as long as it's gone.
02:52:29.000And how do you get your mind out of that?
02:52:31.000See, I mean, look, I can see I'm really enthusiastic if we get through the immediate bottleneck that we face, that there is a way to build school that functions by not, you know, using this archaic mechanism where you're sitting people facing the chalkboard watching somebody scratch stuff on there.
02:52:55.000School should be built out of exercises and experiences that teach these things through living them, right, that reinforce those patterns, not as abstractions on the board, but as experiences.
02:53:11.000You could teach all sorts of things this way.
02:53:13.000And then the person has it built in in some deep way rather than, you know, in some quadrant of their abstract thought library.
02:53:23.000I totally agree if we're going to remain human, which I don't think we're going to.
02:53:28.000So if we're not going to remain human and I'm not just saying like you and I are probably going to remain human, but I mean, as a species, if we're not going to remain human, it will be quaint to look back on the days.
02:53:39.000Just like we look back on people to take a fucking horse across the country.
02:53:43.000That's how we're going to look at you had to acquire data from like a constant study and repetition.
02:53:50.000That's how you got your skills when it's going to be like Neo in the Matrix.
02:53:53.000They put that chip in his head and he goes, I know jujitsu.
02:53:59.000Like the idea of acquiring knowledge and skills by hard work and labor is going to be like before people figured out doors.
02:54:09.000It's like this is a dumb way to do things.
02:54:11.000Like we have a way more effective way.
02:54:13.000Like why do you want to go through all the hardship to get information and to be intelligent and aware when you can just be intelligent and aware?
02:54:21.000Like why do we think that it's because that was the only method to be intelligent and aware in the past?
02:54:26.000Yeah, but Joe, you're going to sign up and you're going to take the chip.
02:54:30.000We're all going to take the chip because we all want to be happy.
02:55:16.000I don't know what else to say about it because it's all just – I feel like it's all just kind of mental masturbation right now because no one really knows what it's going to be like.
02:55:38.000And so they'll give you the most rose-colored glasses version except for Elon.
02:55:44.000He was the only one that was saying – like there was a robot, one of those robot dogs, and he – I forget the exact quote.
02:55:51.000But it was something in tune of one day that's going to move so fast you could barely see it, and it's going to be shooting guns, and it's going to be powered by AI.
02:56:43.000Well, I'm hoping AI just takes the – when it becomes sentient and it is our new digital god, I hope it is just everybody calm the fuck down, settle down, live your life.
02:56:55.000But now we're – you made the new boss.
02:57:07.000One of the reasons why I am is because I – when I got up this morning after my crazy dream and I went to the gym, I put on this documentary on the Sumerian Kings list because I've been really fascinated by this.
02:57:20.000It's a really loony thing that they found in Iraq and in several different sites and it varies slightly, but it's all this list of people who ran the earth for tens of thousands of years.
02:57:44.000Then he ran for – he was a king for 50 years.
02:57:46.000But they have it documented to like eight kings over the entire course of their civilization including the places that these kings were ruled, that they ruled that actually exist.
02:57:59.000Like these are ancient cities that are actually built on top of even more ancient cities that are below them.
02:58:07.000And these people in these bizarre kings lists, they're trying to say that this was an actual human being.
02:58:18.000This was an actual human being that lived that long.
02:58:22.000But they're the ones that have all this crazy stuff with the Anunnaki and from heaven to earth came and that they have – they had an understanding of stuff that was like way beyond what we thought they were capable of.
02:58:49.000But I will just say that there is this increasingly fascinating thread about a recurrent disaster cycle and the possibility that sophisticated civilizations get erased and that we – Rediscover.
02:59:10.000It sounds like it should be but I will say the evidence is far too compelling to dismiss it.
02:59:21.000So I think we have to be open to that possibility and we seem to be heading into one of these catastrophic upheavals, which is something – while we're busy dicking around with climate change, which is not what we're pretending it is, we are not dealing with this hazard to our civilization and figuring out how to protect ourselves.
03:00:13.000We're squandering the most spectacular conceivable opportunity and it's tragic that we can't do better.
03:00:21.000It's really – it's sad because, you know, we're like that close.
03:00:27.000You know, we figured out a lot and we're going to squander it over some kind of stupid game.
03:00:32.000Also, I think what a huge disservice to not recognize that this is possibly a rebuilding of civilization, not just the emergence of civilization.
03:00:40.000And the more they look, the more evidence points in that direction and the more people push back so hard.
03:00:51.000And every time a new discovery happens, a date gets pushed back and it gets pushed back again and pushed back again.
03:00:58.000And that, you know, there was a – Michael Button had a video that he put out about there's some sort of inscriptions and writings on bone that they found in the Americas.
03:01:46.000And – but – so I guess the point is the fact that humans may have been here 200,000 years ago doesn't affect the story of how the humans that we know – know of here arrived after the last ice age, for example.
03:02:04.000So those two things could be true simultaneously.
03:03:01.000The problem is that these – Michael Waters and Thomas Stafford of Texas A&M University.
03:03:07.000So those guys are ruthlessly attacked and by who?
03:03:15.000By the people that are supposed to be in charge of disseminating correct information at the highest level, which is nuts.
03:03:21.000The problem is that we have come to accept a proxy, which is the consensus of a field, for the real indicator of correctness, which is predictive power.
03:03:40.000And, you know, humans are just not good at this because for one thing, humans do get involved in a competition for power.
03:03:49.000And so people will shut down a correct idea because it's not theirs and it will elevate somebody they don't want elevated.
03:03:56.000So as far as I'm concerned – It's gross.
03:04:03.000It's destructive of something our civilization is entitled to.
03:04:07.000We're entitled to the productivity of scientific work and instead what we get is catfighting and it prevents the high-quality stuff from – It's embarrassing too.
03:04:19.000When you see professional intellectuals who are catfighting on Twitter, you're like, good lord.
03:04:26.000Like, do you not understand what that exposes about your character?
03:04:29.000Like, that's all I need to know about you.
03:04:42.000And that's what's really nuts is that anybody that's challenging any of the current consensus, you immediately get labeled like the worst names in the book.
03:04:51.000And it's just – you get connected to the worst ideas in society and like, holy shit, you guys are like little kids.
03:04:59.000Well, I can't stand it when somebody – somebody will try to shut me down.
03:05:07.000I will be saying something and they'll come back at me as if I'm morally broken for making an analytical argument with which they disagree.
03:05:17.000And my feeling is, first of all, if you know me and you've seen me be right before, then the fact that you and I disagree should cause you to have this thought.
03:05:28.000You should think, huh, that's interesting that he disagrees with me.
03:05:33.000Maybe he's wrong for the reason I think he is.
03:05:35.000Or maybe he's right and I need to know.
03:05:56.000Being wrong is part of how you get to be right.
03:05:58.000So this instinct to get people to – people with whom you analytically disagree to stop speaking is totally counterproductive for our collective goal, which is to be better, to know more, to accomplish more.
03:06:16.000And the only reason why people shut you down is they don't have a strong enough argument.
03:06:31.000And it becomes a power struggle by people who feel virtuous.
03:06:34.000Like they feel like they're in the right so they get a chance to exert that power ruthlessly because they're correct and you have to stop Hitler.
03:07:18.000Um, you guys got hit during the COVID days, right?
03:07:21.000We were demonetized for four plus years.
03:07:25.000And what's more, what they did not acknowledge, they acknowledged that they demonetized us, but they capped our channel so it stopped growing and as soon as they re-monetized us, it started growing again.