The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2412 - Adam Carolla

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast.

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00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan.

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00:00:14.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 Oh, man.

00:00:16.000 Everything.

00:00:17.000 It's been a few years, man.

00:00:18.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 When was the last time I saw you?

00:00:21.000 I think I saw you outside of the ice house.

00:00:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:26.000 You were coming in doing a set.

00:00:27.000 You got a land cruiser or something with an LS swap engine in it or something.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:00:33.000 And you showed it to me.

00:00:34.000 And I think I was thinking about it.

00:00:37.000 I went to your house to do the podcast.

00:00:39.000 Early in the day.

00:00:40.000 Early.

00:00:41.000 Yeah.

00:00:42.000 Up deep valley, up the hill.

00:00:45.000 And then I think you got your place sort of down strip mall kind of kind of place down in the flatlands of the valley.

00:00:53.000 Yep.

00:00:55.000 Yeah.

00:00:56.000 And I think that, I mean, it's been a million years.

00:00:59.000 Yeah, it's been a while.

00:01:00.000 Time flies, buddy.

00:01:01.000 I know.

00:01:02.000 It's so sad.

00:01:03.000 You know what?

00:01:04.000 You know what's sad? 0.98

00:01:05.000 It goes so slow when you're young and miserable. 0.71

00:01:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:10.000 Now I'm old and happy and rich and it just flies by.

00:01:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:14.000 Like all the stuff you want to do and it just goes right by you.

00:01:17.000 And then when I was like 13, I just sat in a class and stared at the clock and just went, goddamn. 0.97

00:01:24.000 You know what that is? 0.98

00:01:25.000 It's relative.

00:01:26.000 It's a percentage of your life.

00:01:28.000 So when you're 10, a year is 10% of your life.

00:01:32.000 You know, when you're 55, a year is really quick.

00:01:32.000 Right.

00:01:36.000 I know.

00:01:37.000 It just sucks that like I remember going back to school in September and going, when's Christmas vacation?

00:01:44.000 And they'd go two months. 0.56

00:01:45.000 And I'd go, oh, man, no way.

00:01:48.000 That's too long.

00:01:49.000 And now it just goes flying by, but now it's good and you want it to slow down.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, I always think of life as sort of like driving to San Francisco from LA.

00:02:00.000 Like the first time you do it, it takes a long time.

00:02:04.000 And the 50th time you do it, it's like nothing.

00:02:07.000 And that's the relative part.

00:02:08.000 You get used to it.

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, it's, I don't know.

00:02:13.000 Just got to live in the moment and enjoy it while it's here.

00:02:18.000 Hope it works out.

00:02:19.000 Hope something's next or not.

00:02:23.000 I guess, yeah.

00:02:24.000 That moment, you know, that thing.

00:02:28.000 You know, it's like that thing where people have a near-death experience and then they swear they're going to change their ways and they're going to appreciate everything and they're going to do all that.

00:02:38.000 I don't think it works.

00:02:39.000 It works on some people.

00:02:40.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 I've met people that have had near-death experiences and completely changed who they are.

00:02:45.000 I wonder if it's worth trying to have a near-death experience.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 The problem is, is it's too close to death.

00:02:52.000 Well, it's really what kind of a person are you?

00:02:55.000 Are you a reflective person?

00:02:56.000 Are you an introspective person?

00:02:58.000 Do you think about the way you think and the way you live and do you analyze it and decide whether or not this is a good way to proceed or whether or not you need to make adjustments?

00:03:07.000 Some people don't.

00:03:08.000 They don't look.

00:03:09.000 They don't self-analyze.

00:03:11.000 They don't course correct.

00:03:12.000 They just don't.

00:03:13.000 And so something comes along.

00:03:14.000 I'm changing everything. 0.99

00:03:15.000 But you never change anything in your whole fucking life. 0.99

00:03:17.000 You've never done that. 0.99

00:03:18.000 You've never exhibited that kind of will.

00:03:20.000 You've never had that kind of discipline.

00:03:22.000 So like, how are you going to change now?

00:03:23.000 You're not.

00:03:24.000 You're going to say you're going to change, then you're going to go right back.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, I think I went to high school with all those guys.

00:03:29.000 Me too.

00:03:30.000 It's crazy, right?

00:03:32.000 Most people don't know how to live.

00:03:35.000 Don't understand that you are in control of the way you think about things.

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:40.000 It's one of the only things you're in control of.

00:03:42.000 Well, change is like one of the greatest gifts we have.

00:03:46.000 Like it really, if you think about perks of being a human being versus being a hyena or any other creature, it's you get to change.

00:03:58.000 And then so many people just squander that gift, which is the greatest gift.

00:04:03.000 And they just go, I'm not.

00:04:04.000 And then you're sort of no different than any other animal if you just sort of stay the course, you know?

00:04:11.000 And the ability to grow and change and transform is such a gift that people completely squander.

00:04:21.000 Well, it's hard because you have to change the way you think.

00:04:25.000 You have to decide that you've been doing things wrong.

00:04:28.000 And people don't like to do that.

00:04:30.000 They don't like to admit fault.

00:04:32.000 They don't like to look at themselves in a negative way and analyze what they've done wrong and be critical of themselves.

00:04:38.000 They don't like it.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, I know everyone is a crazy externalizer now.

00:04:44.000 And young people have it more than our generation.

00:04:48.000 You can't tell them stuff.

00:04:48.000 Well, it's encouraged.

00:04:50.000 They just push back on everything.

00:04:52.000 It's encouraged to think that everyone else is the reason why you are not happy.

00:04:56.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:04:58.000 But I think growing up and maybe it's just being coached a lot.

00:05:03.000 You know, like you got coached a lot.

00:05:06.000 I got coached a lot.

00:05:07.000 It's just dudes telling you you're doing something wrong all day, every day.

00:05:12.000 And I believe they did it because they cared, because they wanted you to get better, because they wanted you to succeed.

00:05:19.000 They wanted to win, you know, and I just got used to being coached.

00:05:23.000 You know, I just got used to people just yelling at you. 1.00

00:05:26.000 Hey, dummy, you're fucking up. 1.00

00:05:27.000 Fix it. 1.00

00:05:28.000 Do it right.

00:05:29.000 And it never felt like criticism to me.

00:05:32.000 Well, even if it is criticism, it doesn't matter.

00:05:34.000 It's like if coaching is good, like if you can be coachable, that's like one of the best indicators that you're going to do well in life if you could take direction and instruction from someone who knows what they're talking about.

00:05:45.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 Like if you want to learn something, like say if you want to learn jiu-jitsu, you have to listen.

00:05:50.000 You have to really listen.

00:05:51.000 And the people that don't listen, they don't get better.

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 And I shouldn't have said criticism.

00:05:57.000 It was criticism, but that's fine.

00:05:59.000 It's just how you digest it.

00:06:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:03.000 It's criticism.

00:06:04.000 They go constructive criticism or criticism.

00:06:06.000 It's just criticism.

00:06:07.000 You're doing something wrong.

00:06:09.000 That's fine.

00:06:10.000 Now, how do you perceive it?

00:06:11.000 How do you ingest that?

00:06:13.000 Well, also, how do you look at yourself?

00:06:15.000 Do you look at yourself as like, do you think of yourself as only being valuable if you're good at a thing?

00:06:23.000 Right.

00:06:24.000 And if you're not good at that thing, do you take it as a slight against you?

00:06:29.000 Or do you just understand that you are a person?

00:06:33.000 This is you.

00:06:34.000 And this thing you're doing is something you don't know how to do as well as this person who's teaching you.

00:06:38.000 And if you can do that, then you can get better.

00:06:41.000 And then getting better at anything that you are trying to do that's difficult, any discipline, that discipline becomes a vehicle for developing your human potential.

00:06:50.000 If you can figure out how to get good at that by listening to this person and then proceeding and seeing the steps of improvement, you can apply that to everything in life.

00:06:58.000 But if you never learn how to do that, you're going to get stuck.

00:07:01.000 You know what I've been thinking about?

00:07:03.000 I've been thinking about how insecure a lot of people are and how they really react when you tell them something, criticism or coach them.

00:07:13.000 But I think it's their insecurity that's reacting.

00:07:16.000 And then I sort of realize like you have a skill set.

00:07:21.000 You have multiple skill sets, right?

00:07:23.000 And you take just martial arts, you know, okay, you know it.

00:07:28.000 You're comfortable with it.

00:07:29.000 You're real secure about it.

00:07:31.000 You know your abilities and you know your abilities as a comedian and you know your abilities as an archer and stuff like that.

00:07:39.000 So you have a bunch of stuff that you know, you own.

00:07:43.000 And for me, like I'm a builder, so I have a skill.

00:07:46.000 So I have a trade, you know?

00:07:48.000 And so I don't feel insecure.

00:07:51.000 I feel like there's stuff I know and then there's other things I do know, but I don't walk around with that insecurity that I realize like a lot of people, they don't have a trade.

00:08:02.000 They don't have a skill.

00:08:04.000 They don't have really anything who they could call expertise.

00:08:08.000 Like you would go, you know, what are you an expert at?

00:08:11.000 Well, you would go, I can teach UFC, mixed martial arts, jiu-jitsu.

00:08:17.000 I can do that.

00:08:18.000 I can do this.

00:08:18.000 podcasting, stand-up comedy.

00:08:21.000 Like there's fields of expertise, speaking another language, mastering an instrument, things like that.

00:08:28.000 And I realize so many people just are, there's just nothing.

00:08:32.000 They never found a thing that they don't find a thing and they're so insecure and they walk around in this heightened state of insecurity and then somebody runs into them somewhere at an airport or a Starbucks or something and they start ripping off, you know, throwing furniture.

00:08:50.000 And it's like, why are you in this state all the time?

00:08:54.000 And I realize it's an insecurity.

00:08:57.000 And how would it feel?

00:08:58.000 Like, how would Joe Rogan feel walking around not having a black belt, not being successful at stand-up, like not having any expertise?

00:09:08.000 Like, it'd be a really vulnerable feeling.

00:09:11.000 Yeah.

00:09:12.000 And I think that's a lot of it.

00:09:14.000 It's most people.

00:09:15.000 Yes.

00:09:16.000 Most people just get jobs and they never really find a thing where they can throw themselves into it and watch the improvement and understand that, oh, I know that I started this out as a beginner and now I'm really good because I put in so much time and so much effort.

00:09:16.000 Yeah.

00:09:30.000 So I know that I have that in me.

00:09:32.000 I know I have that willpower.

00:09:34.000 It's also like some people just don't have good brains.

00:09:37.000 That's just a fact.

00:09:38.000 You know, it's like some people were born with big ears.

00:09:40.000 Some people have small ears. 1.00

00:09:42.000 Some people have shitty brains. 1.00

00:09:44.000 And that's just true. 1.00

00:09:45.000 I've met a lot of people. 0.71

00:09:46.000 They're just dull. 0.99

00:09:47.000 They're just dull-minded and dull-witted. 0.97

00:09:50.000 And even if they threw themselves into something, they don't have the horsepower. 0.99

00:09:53.000 They have a nine-volt brain. 1.00

00:09:55.000 It sucks. 1.00

00:09:56.000 No, but that's just reality. 0.99

00:09:58.000 I know.

00:09:58.000 And it's hard not to look at them through your lens because you go, come on, man.

00:10:04.000 The sun's shining.

00:10:05.000 Let's make some hay.

00:10:06.000 Let's go.

00:10:07.000 There's so much to do.

00:10:08.000 And they're like, huh?

00:10:10.000 And you're like, come on.

00:10:11.000 The saddest thing for me is when I talk to anybody, but especially a young person, I go, what do you like?

00:10:18.000 What's your thing?

00:10:18.000 What do you do?

00:10:19.000 And they go, I don't know.

00:10:21.000 I like video games.

00:10:22.000 I go, no, no, but what's your passion?

00:10:24.000 You know, what do you want to get into?

00:10:25.000 And they go, but watching a lot of Netflix.

00:10:31.000 I go, no, man.

00:10:32.000 Like, what is your thing?

00:10:33.000 What do you want to get your hands on?

00:10:35.000 And they just go, I don't know.

00:10:37.000 Well, they've probably never been introduced to something like that.

00:10:40.000 The problem with video games is it'll steal your thing.

00:10:43.000 Like if video games, if there was a thing, maybe that you, maybe you were into golf or maybe you're into something, video games will steal your time.

00:10:51.000 They'll steal your desire because they're so fun.

00:10:54.000 Yes.

00:10:55.000 I think there's a problem with like satiation.

00:10:59.000 Like you'll feel satiated.

00:11:01.000 Like you'll say, I did something.

00:11:04.000 It's like you didn't do anything.

00:11:05.000 You simulated doing something.

00:11:08.000 Unless you're a professional video game player.

00:11:11.000 And then you can make a lot of money.

00:11:12.000 So it is weird.

00:11:13.000 Because he used to tell you you're playing video games, you're wasting your time.

00:11:16.000 But then you find out that some people playing professional video games are making a lot of money.

00:11:21.000 Like those StarCraft guys, what does a good StarCraft, like the best StarCraft player make?

00:11:26.000 Like they have sponsorships and stuff like that, but they're making millions of dollars, right?

00:11:30.000 It is weird that you can no longer tell your kids that's a crazy idea that'll never work.

00:11:35.000 How about those Twitch guys?

00:11:36.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:11:37.000 Those guys that play video games all day on Twitch, they make a ton of money.

00:11:41.000 I know.

00:11:42.000 You couldn't.

00:11:42.000 I mean, there was a time when we started, if someone young said, I want to do a podcast.

00:11:47.000 You'll go, come on, you got to get a real job.

00:11:48.000 That's not going to work.

00:11:50.000 Like Howard Stern.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 So this guy, Soral, his name is Juna Sotala.

00:11:58.000 He's from Finland and he made 1.8 million total earnings.

00:12:04.000 So yeah, South Korea, 1.3 million.

00:12:07.000 Cho Sung-choo, Park Young-Woo made $1.19 million.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, so they're making money.

00:12:16.000 But this is like only the top five.

00:12:18.000 So top five, you get to the bottom of the top five, it's 1 million, 1.1.

00:12:23.000 Okay.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, I can't do it.

00:12:25.000 I bought a video game once, and it was a World War II one, and I thought I was going to go to the deck of the ship and shoot at some zeros who are dive bombing our ship. 0.96

00:12:37.000 But the video game started below in the barracks.

00:12:40.000 We're in our bunks, and a torpedo hit, and I could never get to the deck.

00:12:46.000 I couldn't get out of the bunk.

00:12:49.000 I kept burning up in a fire in the bunk.

00:12:51.000 And after 20 times of trying to get to the deck, I just abandoned it. 0.98

00:12:55.000 And I also just realized there's just a bunch of shit I'm not good at, and I don't care to even try. 0.96

00:13:02.000 I think there's another part of life where you have to kind of go, what are you good at? 0.98

00:13:08.000 What are you not good at?

00:13:09.000 And when you're not good at something, you should just pay somebody to do that.

00:13:15.000 And that's where I'm at.

00:13:17.000 Pay somebody to play video games for you?

00:13:20.000 Well, I mean like type.

00:13:22.000 Yeah, of course.

00:13:23.000 Yeah, I hear you.

00:13:24.000 Yeah, I hear you.

00:13:25.000 Yeah, you don't, yeah, you're not going to want to do everything.

00:13:29.000 And things that some people enjoy, like whether it's golfing or video games or whatever it is, like you got to find out what you like.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, I think that's a bunch of stuff.

00:13:38.000 That's one of the things that's missing in school is introducing people to the possibility of things they might like.

00:13:43.000 Instead, what do they do?

00:13:44.000 They just teach you stuff.

00:13:48.000 Yeah, it didn't work for me.

00:13:50.000 It was not good for that.

00:13:50.000 No.

00:13:51.000 It didn't work for me either.

00:13:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:53.000 Well, look at you now.

00:13:54.000 You landed on your feet.

00:13:55.000 I know, but that's a weird thing.

00:13:56.000 It's like there's no consideration of alternatives. 0.98

00:14:01.000 There's no like, hey, you're kind of a wise ass.

00:14:03.000 Have you ever thought about being a comedian? 0.89

00:14:05.000 You know, you can make a lot of money doing comedy.

00:14:07.000 Nobody ever says that to you.

00:14:08.000 No, I never had that.

00:14:10.000 It was a weird thing because it was always a sort of shut up.

00:14:16.000 So it was the opposite of encouragement, which is be quiet, be quiet.

00:14:21.000 You're disruptive.

00:14:23.000 So by nature, comedic nature is to sit in the back of the class and pop off and try to entertain an audience, which is sort of built in, which is the classroom.

00:14:33.000 But it is interesting that they then offer an award called class clown.

00:14:39.000 Did they offer an award for class clown?

00:14:41.000 My high school, I was class clown. 0.99

00:14:45.000 So I got the class clown designation, but all through high school, I was told to shut up by every teacher, which is a weird, it's a backhanded compliment, but it's a weird message to send to the clown, which is shut up, shut up, shut up. 0.97

00:15:01.000 Here's your award at the end for talking. 0.95

00:15:04.000 Yeah, that is weird.

00:15:06.000 I would get rid of the award or stop telling everyone to shut up all the time.

00:15:10.000 Well, you know, it's undermotivated teachers that are underpaid.

00:15:13.000 Well, who attracts, you know, I was thinking about like who's attracted to that profession?

00:15:18.000 It's sort of people that have, I know we have to call them heroes, but they've kind of opted out of the private sector.

00:15:18.000 Right.

00:15:25.000 They're just like, I want consistency.

00:15:28.000 I don't care if I'm underpaid as long as I never stop getting paid and I can retire early and I have a place to go.

00:15:35.000 And it's a kind of a version of life where you're not telling people to chase their dreams and explore the possibilities because you're in this place right now where you didn't chase your dreams.

00:15:49.000 You're just here.

00:15:50.000 You know, I mean, save that 10% who love kids or just want to work with kids.

00:15:55.000 But most of my teachers were miserable.

00:15:59.000 Most. 0.99

00:16:00.000 Miserable and very uninspiring.

00:16:00.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 And this made you, I used to have nightmares after I left high school that I failed and I had to go back.

00:16:09.000 I used to have nightmares.

00:16:10.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 But I didn't get my diploma.

00:16:12.000 Oh.

00:16:13.000 It's funny.

00:16:14.000 I wanted to go back because I wanted to play football.

00:16:17.000 Like I didn't want to go to, I didn't want to go to class, but I would have dreams about going back to play like one more year of football.

00:16:24.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:16:25.000 Because it's all I wanted to do.

00:16:26.000 And it was the only thing I was good at, you know, back then.

00:16:30.000 And once I got out of high school, it was just construction sites, garbage.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, me too.

00:16:35.000 I just didn't know what to do.

00:16:37.000 I mean, I was fighting at the time, but I didn't know what I was going to do with my life.

00:16:42.000 Did anyone tell you, like, I never had anyone go, hey, you should do comedy.

00:16:49.000 Like, that seems to be your thing, or it seems to be what you're interested in or where your proclivities are.

00:16:54.000 I never had that.

00:16:55.000 I didn't have anyone in my family say it.

00:16:57.000 I didn't have any of my friends say it.

00:16:58.000 I never had a teacher say it.

00:16:59.000 I never heard a guidance counselor say it.

00:17:02.000 It never came up in my life.

00:17:05.000 Did it?

00:17:05.000 It did.

00:17:06.000 For you.

00:17:07.000 With me, it was guys that I would go to tournaments with.

00:17:11.000 So we would all be scared because we'd be on a bus or something traveling out of state to go to some tournament.

00:17:16.000 And everybody would be like real nervous because there's a real good chance you might get kicked in the head and knocked unconscious.

00:17:21.000 And I would be the guy that broke the ice.

00:17:24.000 I would be making fun of everything and making everybody laugh.

00:17:27.000 And my friend Steve, who's Steve Graham, who's a good friend of mine still to this day, he was older than me at the time.

00:17:32.000 I think I was like 16.

00:17:34.000 And he was probably 30, 31, something like that.

00:17:38.000 He's an ophthalmologist.

00:17:39.000 And he's like, you should be a comedian.

00:17:41.000 And I was like, you think I'm funny because you like me. 1.00

00:17:44.000 I'm like, other people are going to think I'm just an asshole. 0.99

00:17:47.000 And he's like, I think you could do it. 1.00

00:17:50.000 I think you could do it.

00:17:51.000 You should just go to an open mic night and check it out.

00:17:53.000 And I went to an open mic night.

00:17:54.000 And that's when I understood that, oh, everybody starts out as a beginning and you're terrible.

00:17:59.000 When I thought of comedians, I thought Jerry Seinfeld was Jerry Seinfeld from the jump.

00:18:03.000 He's just really good and really funny and great jokes.

00:18:06.000 And Richard Pryor, same thing.

00:18:08.000 I didn't realize it's a thing that you get better at.

00:18:10.000 And then when I watched people do it, I was like, oh, these people are terrible.

00:18:15.000 I can do this.

00:18:16.000 It's one of the things Jenny, Richard Jenny, said, terrible comedians are great because they inspire people to try it.

00:18:22.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, I agree with you in that sense.

00:18:26.000 Like I remember, like I always go, oh, this guy's excellence inspires.

00:18:32.000 You know, Michael Jordan inspires.

00:18:34.000 And I'm like, no, he's too good.

00:18:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:39.000 I remember being young and watching Dennis Miller do a special and I'd go, I could never do that.

00:18:46.000 That's too much.

00:18:46.000 Right.

00:18:48.000 Where are all these words coming from?

00:18:50.000 How do you remember them all?

00:18:51.000 How does he even know what they mean?

00:18:52.000 Like, no way am I pulling that off. 0.96

00:18:54.000 But later on, when I was driving a truck, you know, to the construction side every day, I would listen to morning radio in LA and I'd listen to these morning teams and I'd go, oh, shit, I can do that. 0.67

00:19:10.000 Like I was inspired by their inability to be consistently funny. 0.80

00:19:16.000 Right.

00:19:17.000 And it is a weird thing where people do that.

00:19:20.000 They always think the best is going to bring it out in you, but it's intimidating.

00:19:25.000 Sometimes you have to see people that are mediocre at their job for you to think, oh, hell, I can do that.

00:19:30.000 Certainly at the beginning, you know, like if you walked right into a gym and as you were like Terrence Crawford t-shirt I'm wearing and Terrence Crawford's working out.

00:19:38.000 It was the first time you ever worked out.

00:19:40.000 And someone says, do you want to spar with Terrence Crawford?

00:19:42.000 No.

00:19:42.000 You're broken.

00:19:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:44.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:19:45.000 I can't spar with him. 1.00

00:19:47.000 No.

00:19:48.000 Yes.

00:19:48.000 Because he's too good.

00:19:49.000 But if you see someone who's like at your level and he's hitting mitts the way you're hitting mitts and like, okay, we'll try that.

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00:21:06.000 The real danger is when they go, you want to spar with that guy over there.

00:21:11.000 And then you go, who is that guy?

00:21:13.000 And they go, I don't know.

00:21:13.000 It's just some gym guy, and it's Terence Crawford.

00:21:16.000 And then you really, you really get demoralized because you don't even know who he is.

00:21:21.000 And sometimes you'll run into those guys early on before they are who they are. 0.97

00:21:27.000 And you realize, oh, I got my ass kicked by this guy, turned out to be a champion. 0.97

00:21:31.000 But at the time, I just thought something was wrong with me. 0.99

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:35.000 Well, and then you just realize, like, some people have a giant head start.

00:21:39.000 You know, whatever it is.

00:21:40.000 Maybe they started earlier in life.

00:21:42.000 Maybe they have family members that are really good at whatever it is, boxing or whatever it is.

00:21:47.000 Maybe they got really good coaching early on.

00:21:49.000 Maybe they have great genetics.

00:21:50.000 Maybe they're just naturally fast.

00:21:52.000 Maybe they just have a mind for the game.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of the fast Twitch stuff and the rhythm stuff.

00:22:01.000 Like some guys have the rhythmic, you know, you can watch.

00:22:05.000 But there's a skip rope.

00:22:07.000 There's that, but there's also like the most important thing is understanding the skills, understanding technique.

00:22:13.000 And some people just get bad coaching.

00:22:15.000 And if you get bad coaching, you get like a kind of coach that just wants you to brawl all the time when you're sparring.

00:22:21.000 And you never really learn the finer points.

00:22:24.000 They don't stop you and say, look, you got to stop that jab here and then counter.

00:22:30.000 Well, I found, at least when I taught boxing, that most of the coaches were boxers.

00:22:38.000 Like my gym was Mike Weaver, ex-heavyweight.

00:22:42.000 I remember Mike Weaver. 0.99

00:22:43.000 He was a brick shit out there. 1.00

00:22:45.000 Boy, that guy was a tank. 1.00

00:22:46.000 Oh, my God.

00:22:47.000 He looked like a bodybuilder.

00:22:49.000 Even when I worked with him when he was 48 or something, he still looked like that. 0.65

00:22:49.000 It was crazy. 0.65

00:22:53.000 But so Weaver and then his half-triplet brothers, the fighting triplets, Troy, Floyd, and Lloyd, by the way, they're all fighters, right?

00:23:05.000 And I realized they were good fighters, but they didn't know how to teach fighting because they couldn't verbalize it and they couldn't intellectualize it.

00:23:15.000 They just did it, you know?

00:23:17.000 And it's not always the guy.

00:23:19.000 So a lot of time they got ex-fighters.

00:23:21.000 This guy's an ex-champ.

00:23:22.000 He's an ex-this and ex-that.

00:23:24.000 That doesn't mean you're good at teaching it.

00:23:26.000 That just means you did it and were good at it.

00:23:28.000 But you can't always articulate it and describe it.

00:23:32.000 And like my thing was, I wasn't an ex-champ, but I knew how to articulate it better than these guys.

00:23:38.000 And I could use these metaphors and examples and stuff like that.

00:23:43.000 I would end up being a good boxing coach, not because I had all this ring experience, just because I understood it sort of intellectually.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, like some of the greatest boxing coaches of all time weren't good fighters or were okay fighters.

00:23:59.000 Like Freddie Roach, perfect example, is a journeyman fighter, but one of the best boxing coaches ever.

00:24:05.000 Emmanuel Stewart, same deal.

00:24:07.000 You know, weren't world champions.

00:24:09.000 I always liked Emmanuel Stewart because he coached.

00:24:12.000 Vladimir Klitschko, but he couldn't say the word Vladimir.

00:24:15.000 He'd just go, Vladimir, Vladimir.

00:24:17.000 And it's like his name is Vladimir.

00:24:19.000 It doesn't start with an L.

00:24:21.000 It starts with a V. If you listen to him talking to Vladimir Klitschko, he just called him Ladimir.

00:24:28.000 And I interviewed Vladimir Klitscho and I did, I said, he called you Latimir your whole career.

00:24:35.000 And he went, yeah, the way he pronounced it.

00:24:37.000 I'm like, it's a name, and it starts with a different letter.

00:24:40.000 You just call him Latimir the whole time.

00:24:42.000 He gave up.

00:24:44.000 But Emmanuel Stewart was the first guy to figure out that training in the heat.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, yeah, get in there.

00:24:50.000 That training in the heat was great for your cardiovascular system.

00:24:54.000 Oh, really?

00:24:54.000 Cronk Jim.

00:24:55.000 They used to crank it up.

00:24:56.000 Cronk Jim was like 100 degrees in there.

00:24:58.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 Like a hot yoga room.

00:25:00.000 Yeah, and they put the, was it abilene?

00:25:03.000 They called it?

00:25:05.000 Sweat stuff on, and then they put you in a garbage bag.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, all that. 1.00

00:25:09.000 God damn. 1.00

00:25:10.000 Yeah, they would always put abilene on you before you worked out. 1.00

00:25:13.000 I always thought that was weird.

00:25:14.000 Like to get your sweat going.

00:25:16.000 I was like, I'm kind of sweat.

00:25:17.000 It's so weird.

00:25:18.000 It was a part of the boxing world. 0.99

00:25:20.000 Like when you get Ringside Magazine, they would sell abilene, like these big fucking jars of it. 0.98

00:25:25.000 As far as I could tell, it was pretty much just Vaseline. 0.98

00:25:28.000 I don't know what was different about it.

00:25:30.000 Some slippery oil, that's for sure.

00:25:32.000 Yeah.

00:25:33.000 Which it's interesting because in MMA, that stuff is like that's shunned.

00:25:39.000 Like you, you, like, because you get in trouble if you grease yourself up because there's guys that grease.

00:25:45.000 And what they do to cheat is they'll put baby oil on the night before, and they'll like literally soak in baby oil, and then they'll take a shower.

00:25:54.000 And so when they show up to fight, their skin is dry, and so they don't have any baby oil. 0.98

00:25:59.000 But as soon as they start sweating, that baby oil comes out of their pores and they are slick like a fucking trout. 0.98

00:26:06.000 Like you can't get a grip on them. 0.99

00:26:07.000 I bet you you could probably convince someone to drink baby oil.

00:26:11.000 Dude.

00:26:11.000 Told them when you started sweating baby oil.

00:26:15.000 I just love that whatever the sport, whether it's MMA or F1, there's always someone trying to shave a tenth.

00:26:22.000 Just trying to figure out some way around just to pick up a little advantage.

00:26:29.000 Yep.

00:26:30.000 It's so human.

00:26:31.000 It's so human.

00:26:33.000 Victor Conte just died recently.

00:26:35.000 He's the Balco guy.

00:26:37.000 I interviewed him on the podcast back in the day.

00:26:40.000 He was the guy that got Barry Bonds on that stuff called the clear.

00:26:43.000 So they figured out a steroid that would evade testing.

00:26:46.000 And it was something that you just wipe on yourself.

00:26:48.000 And it was.

00:26:49.000 Oh, really?

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:50.000 It was highly effective.

00:26:52.000 And it's just people looking to skirt around the rules and find something that works that they can't detect.

00:27:00.000 It's such, I mean, it's what happens when you are attracted to competition, I think.

00:27:09.000 So the people who aren't attracted to competition sit around and go, why would you do that?

00:27:13.000 Or how dare you do that?

00:27:15.000 Or this guy's wrong for doing it.

00:27:17.000 But you don't run an F1 team.

00:27:20.000 But if you're attracted to a job that makes you a trainer in UFC or running an F1 team, you'll probably be a person who's attracted to competition, thus attracted to winning.

00:27:32.000 And then at some point, your livelihood will depend on it.

00:27:36.000 And you'll try to do everything you can do.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 It's interesting with steroids, though, with baseball in particular.

00:27:44.000 There's never been a sport that rejected steroids as hard as baseball did.

00:27:49.000 Like, you remember the Maguire, Sammy Sosa era?

00:27:51.000 Sure.

00:27:52.000 Like, when we found out those guys were juicing, and we kind of all knew they were juicing.

00:27:55.000 But once we found out they were juicing, everybody was so mad at them because you had defamed our great American national pastime, which is baseball.

00:28:07.000 You cheated at baseball.

00:28:07.000 I don't know.

00:28:10.000 I love it when, I don't know, Bob Costas gets all and Billy Crystal get all upset about the majesty of baseball and how you've ruined the sanctity of it and stuff like that. 0.98

00:28:23.000 Baseball was always kind of a pussy sport for me. 1.00

00:28:26.000 Like, I thought if you're a real dude, you play football and then maybe box or wrestle or something like that. 0.98

00:28:31.000 But baseball was kind of fun.

00:28:33.000 Like, I played baseball and baseball at baseball practice, you got to play baseball.

00:28:40.000 You got to hit, you got to field.

00:28:42.000 You essentially played baseball.

00:28:44.000 You didn't have a game, but you'd be out in the field hitting the cutoff or up at bat patting practice where you literally played baseball.

00:28:52.000 In football, I never touched a football.

00:28:55.000 You're just pushing a sled and getting in some tackling drill, running laps.

00:29:00.000 They just torture you.

00:29:02.000 But you don't play football.

00:29:03.000 I played football for 10 years and never touched a football.

00:29:08.000 I played linebacker and guard and there was no football.

00:29:11.000 There was just me blocking guys who were touching a football or trying to tackle a guy who touched football.

00:29:17.000 Football bracket was the worst.

00:29:18.000 Football bracket was just torture.

00:29:20.000 Did you wrestle?

00:29:22.000 No, they didn't have wrestling in my high school.

00:29:24.000 Really?

00:29:25.000 We didn't have like it was, you know, I know a little more East Coast, I think, like lacrosse and certain things are kind of regional.

00:29:33.000 We didn't really, I grew up in North Hollywood.

00:29:36.000 Like they didn't have hockey.

00:29:37.000 They didn't have lacrosse.

00:29:38.000 They didn't have wrestling.

00:29:39.000 It's crazy they didn't have wrestling.

00:29:40.000 Oh, God.

00:29:42.000 I think wrestling was one of the most important lessons in hard work that I ever got.

00:29:46.000 Oh, for sure.

00:29:47.000 Like running bleachers and cutting weight and carrying people around.

00:29:52.000 Yeah, I had a brutal coach, too.

00:29:54.000 Our coach was brutal.

00:29:56.000 It was awesome.

00:29:57.000 Wrestling.

00:29:57.000 Taught me a lot.

00:29:58.000 Wrestling practice and football practice are not dissimilar.

00:30:02.000 It's just torture young people, essentially, and kind of try to break them a little bit.

00:30:09.000 And wrestling is probably more torturous than football, but football is hot because it's the San Fernando Valley or wherever Florida, and you're outside and you're in a uniform and you're just baking in the sun and they didn't want to give you water because they thought it was bad for you.

00:30:29.000 But really, thinking back on it. 0.98

00:30:31.000 Dumb that is. 0.98

00:30:32.000 Well, it wasn't, I think they didn't want to do it because they thought it would make you soft. 0.97

00:30:37.000 They thought you would get cramped up.

00:30:38.000 That's what they used to think.

00:30:40.000 They would say, yeah, they'd say you're going to cramp up.

00:30:42.000 But there's another underlying point, which is you would enjoy it.

00:30:47.000 And they didn't want to do anything that you enjoyed.

00:30:50.000 Like, their whole thing was, we're going to torture you.

00:30:54.000 And if you want water, then you're not getting water.

00:30:56.000 Want to hear something crazy? 0.87

00:30:57.000 When I was a kid, when I was fighting, I didn't like that I wanted sex.

00:31:04.000 I didn't like that I desired pleasure because I thought it was weak.

00:31:10.000 Because I thought that anything soft and sensual, anything that feels good is going to make you weak.

00:31:18.000 Right.

00:31:18.000 Because all I was thinking about was competing.

00:31:21.000 And I was just thinking about keeping an edge on everybody. 0.99

00:31:24.000 And that sex was like, damn it. 0.99

00:31:27.000 Like, I didn't like that. 1.00

00:31:28.000 I liked it.

00:31:29.000 I thought it was a weakness. 0.76

00:31:30.000 Did you have crazy? 0.79

00:31:31.000 Did you have like a pillow on your back?

00:31:34.000 Like, where does this end? 0.98

00:31:35.000 Your girlfriend was really horny. 1.00

00:31:37.000 I didn't mean a pillow to hump. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Just meant you'd be more comfortable with that pillow and you wanted the eye of the tiger.

00:31:42.000 No, it didn't. 0.98

00:31:43.000 I mean, it didn't stop me from having sex with my girlfriend, but it did make me feel like that was a weakness. 0.96

00:31:49.000 But don't you feel, I feel like I fall back on my misery and those two-a-day practices and the San Fernando Valley and getting yelled at by coaches and being on a construction site and sort of getting yelled at by a foreman and like just doing sort of miserable donkey work all day. 0.80

00:32:09.000 As I get older, I realize, oh, everything seems pretty simple and pretty easy compared to that.

00:32:15.000 And I realize I talked to a lot of people that never went through that.

00:32:20.000 And so they don't really have, they're not calibrated.

00:32:24.000 Like, like sometimes, like ever since I got out of construction and into comedy, I've never looked at comedy as work, you know?

00:32:31.000 And then sometimes they'll go, oh, they want to add a second show or whatever.

00:32:35.000 And I go, yeah, go ahead.

00:32:36.000 And someone will go, you really want to work that much?

00:32:38.000 I go, it's not, it's not.

00:32:40.000 It's air-conditioned.

00:32:42.000 No one's yelling at you.

00:32:43.000 Free beer.

00:32:43.000 It's fun.

00:32:44.000 It's fun.

00:32:45.000 People like you.

00:32:46.000 And they'll go, you want to work that hard on the weekend?

00:32:46.000 What do you mean?

00:32:49.000 You know, and I go, what work?

00:32:51.000 It's not work compared to the work I knew from back in the day.

00:32:56.000 But then I realized I do deal with a lot of people that never had that baseline.

00:33:02.000 And so they never had that misery and they never had that experience.

00:33:07.000 And so for them, their baseline is sort of air conditioning and a 401k and a coffee maker.

00:33:14.000 And it's not, you know, using a port-a-potty and eating lunch on a pile of plywood and eating off a lunch truck and all that kind of stuff.

00:33:22.000 So drinking off a hose, no air conditioning, like that world.

00:33:26.000 So they don't have a base.

00:33:28.000 They're not like calibrated.

00:33:29.000 And so for them, a second show is a lot of work or working on a weekend or doing whatever.

00:33:35.000 It's that old expression: the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, no matter what it is.

00:33:41.000 So if you've lived an incredibly sheltered life and the worst thing that ever happens is you get in a mild fender bender and you can't believe it and your world has ended and you're just sobbing and weeping.

00:33:51.000 Or if you're a guy who's lived a fucking difficult, hard life and then you get an offender bender, you're like, oh, they'll fix that. 0.98

00:33:58.000 No worries. 0.96

00:33:58.000 We'll fix that. 0.96

00:33:59.000 And then it's gone.

00:34:00.000 You don't think about it at all.

00:34:01.000 You just think about it.

00:34:02.000 It's just like, there's a debt in my car now.

00:34:04.000 No big deal.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, I've always thought that, you know, when it came to boxing or a sport like that, that, you know, people go, oh, you know how to box so you could use your hands and then you have an advantage.

00:34:19.000 You know, if some drunk guy comes at you or something, like you can use your hands.

00:34:23.000 So you know what you're doing.

00:34:24.000 But I always thought the real advantage is being used to having someone punch at you all the time.

00:34:30.000 That was sort of the real advantage of not freaking out if somebody threw a punch.

00:34:34.000 If you just get used to people throwing punches, then you know how to react.

00:34:40.000 And that was the advantage.

00:34:41.000 It was more like being used to being knocked around and punched and having people throw stuff at you versus you knowing how to throw back.

00:34:52.000 The real advantage was not being phased.

00:34:54.000 Like when stuff was coming at you.

00:34:54.000 Right.

00:34:56.000 Right.

00:34:57.000 And I think that's analogous to sort of this, like the advantage to our past misery is how relatively easy everything seems now.

00:35:08.000 If you have a group of brothers and they all start competing and fighting, the toughest one's the youngest one always.

00:35:15.000 Oh, really?

00:35:16.000 Almost always. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Almost always, because that's the one that's been fucked with by everybody else, by the middle brother, by the older brother. 0.99

00:35:22.000 The youngest brother, I always look to like, that's the savage. 0.99

00:35:26.000 If that kid can make it through, he will be the one.

00:35:26.000 Just watch.

00:35:29.000 He will be the one.

00:35:31.000 So let's see.

00:35:31.000 Is that Stephen Baldwin?

00:35:33.000 Which Baldwin is that?

00:35:35.000 Yeah, that would be Stephen.

00:35:36.000 I think.

00:35:37.000 Right?

00:35:39.000 Alex the older.

00:35:41.000 That I know.

00:35:41.000 I got that's a different thing.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, I don't think they're beating each other.

00:35:45.000 I'm making a joke. 0.99

00:35:46.000 But they probably did kick each other's ass a few times. 1.00

00:35:48.000 Probably, I would imagine. 1.00

00:35:50.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

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00:37:06.000 You know, one of the things I like about you is, and always stuck with me.

00:37:10.000 Years ago, when I interviewed you, I said, your biological dad, do you ever have a desire to get back in touch with him or reconnect or whatever that was? 0.96

00:37:22.000 And I think you went, no, screw him.

00:37:25.000 Like, I don't, I never knew him. 0.92

00:37:26.000 So I don't need to redo something that never was done.

00:37:31.000 No.

00:37:31.000 And I like that.

00:37:33.000 I mean, I respect it.

00:37:35.000 I feel like there's people do too much.

00:37:38.000 Like, come on, he's your blood.

00:37:39.000 I'm like, if you don't know him, you don't know him.

00:37:42.000 Like, I always, I don't know, it stuck with me.

00:37:46.000 Well, I think family's nice if they're nice.

00:37:50.000 You know, if they're great people and you want to be in touch with them, but I don't think you should spend any time with people that you don't like.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:57.000 If they're family or not, I don't think it matters.

00:38:01.000 I think my life was sort of saved by friends, just having really good friends all the time.

00:38:08.000 And I sort of realized my family wasn't going to provide what my friends would provide, and I just hung out with my friends.

00:38:17.000 Well, that's also why people join gangs.

00:38:19.000 Yeah.

00:38:20.000 Yeah.

00:38:20.000 I mean, that becomes their family because everybody has a desire to be a part of a tribe.

00:38:25.000 And everybody has a desire to have a good team and people that care about you.

00:38:29.000 That's a big motivating factor for human beings.

00:38:32.000 Thank God North Hollywood didn't have a strong crip or blood connection back in the day.

00:38:38.000 Because I probably would have joined up.

00:38:40.000 Sure, it's probably exciting.

00:38:41.000 It's probably exciting, especially if you get away with a few things.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 I get it.

00:38:45.000 I mean, it's tried and it's true.

00:38:47.000 Like, it works.

00:38:48.000 It's been around for a long time.

00:38:49.000 It's a reason why gangs in New York.

00:38:51.000 Look, it goes all the way back then.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, it goes, I'm sure, throughout the dawn of humanity and history.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, and I mean, we formed our own gang. 0.99

00:39:00.000 It was just a bunch of dudes who did stupid stuff, you know, but it wasn't drive-bys and that shit. 0.99

00:39:07.000 It was just a group. 1.00

00:39:08.000 It was a tribe.

00:39:09.000 Not necessarily a gang.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 Yeah, we did things.

00:39:15.000 We would do stuff to each other, but not to society.

00:39:18.000 Like that was kind of our code.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 Like we would torture each other and do unthinkable things to each other, but you couldn't go mess with civilians. 0.96

00:39:27.000 Yeah.

00:39:28.000 That was crossing the line.

00:39:29.000 That's fun, too.

00:39:31.000 I've been paying attention to a lot of your stuff covering the Palisades fire and all that stuff. 0.87

00:39:37.000 And I think I'm really glad that there's someone like you out there that gets to shine light on these things and show people how fucked up this whole thing was.

00:39:45.000 You know, we talked about it on the podcast that you immediately, once the fire happened, you were like, no one's rebuilding. 0.81

00:39:52.000 Like, you don't understand the Coastal Commission.

00:39:55.000 You don't understand the permitting process.

00:39:56.000 This is going to be like this forever.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:59.000 Look at here.

00:39:59.000 And you're right.

00:40:00.000 We are.

00:40:00.000 It's almost a year later, right?

00:40:02.000 How many months later is it?

00:40:03.000 10, 11?

00:40:04.000 10 and change.

00:40:05.000 Okay.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:06.000 No one's rebuilt the house.

00:40:08.000 No, there's a little bit of building going on in the Palisades, but there's zero in Malaysia.

00:40:15.000 Yeah, there's no coastal anything.

00:40:16.000 And I've been monitoring it.

00:40:19.000 How much has grown on the Palisades?

00:40:21.000 How many houses have been rebuilt?

00:40:23.000 I would say less than 5%.

00:40:28.000 But it's scattered.

00:40:29.000 I toured one that was being framed for the latest vlog that fire vlogs I've been doing.

00:40:35.000 You do rebuild.

00:40:36.000 What is surrounding you?

00:40:37.000 Just wreckage.

00:40:39.000 Yeah.

00:40:39.000 Can you imagine you're on a hill and just the husks of burnt down houses are your view now?

00:40:46.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 It's fun.

00:40:48.000 It's basically you're living in an ashtray.

00:40:51.000 You put a double wide in an ashtray.

00:40:51.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 Who knows what the fuck is in that ground? 0.99

00:40:57.000 Well, you know? 0.99

00:40:58.000 Yeah.

00:40:59.000 No, it's all bad. 0.77

00:40:59.000 It's all burning and melting and all the chemicals and electric cars and all that shit has gotten into the water table. 0.77

00:41:06.000 It's all in the ground.

00:41:08.000 Yeah, well, some of it's in the bay because it rained and it just flowed into the sea.

00:41:13.000 I mean, it's a mire of muck.

00:41:17.000 And yeah, it's hard.

00:41:18.000 Is it still bad?

00:41:19.000 Is it still bad?

00:41:20.000 No, it's okay.

00:41:21.000 It's sort of filtered out.

00:41:24.000 You talking about the ocean?

00:41:26.000 Yeah, I mean, it's livable.

00:41:31.000 I don't know if your doctor would recommend it, but it's livable.

00:41:35.000 But the thing that I've always known is I've always known how burdensome regulation is in Los Angeles, and it's invisible.

00:41:44.000 And that's why we don't have housing, and that's why houses are too expensive.

00:41:48.000 And that's why there's no homeless shelters and housing and all that stuff is because it's so burdensome to build.

00:41:55.000 They make it so difficult to build that people don't build.

00:42:00.000 And I knew this is what was coming, but other people didn't really know it because they've not dealt with the city, plan check, regulations, plan approval, engineering.

00:42:12.000 Like this is stuff I've been doing my whole life.

00:42:15.000 So I knew early on that this wasn't going to happen.

00:42:19.000 And I think people who live in Los Angeles are sort of naive.

00:42:23.000 Like they just think that Coastal Commission and the City Council and Plan Check and Building and Safety, like they're there just to facilitate this stuff.

00:42:33.000 They're not there to facilitate any of it.

00:42:35.000 They're there to deter it.

00:42:37.000 Like they want you to go away, is basically what it is.

00:42:41.000 So I knew none of this was going to happen.

00:42:45.000 But also there's a thing that I don't think anyone really is aware of, which is they are so over-regulated that they make it so difficult to build that people can't afford it.

00:43:01.000 And they're then stymied by it and they tend to just get discouraged and they go away.

00:43:07.000 They don't do it.

00:43:08.000 So what they do is like I was friends with Suzanne Summers and Alan Hamill and they lived in Malibu and they loved Malibu and then their home burnt down years ago.

00:43:21.000 This was another fire and then they wanted to rebuild the home. 0.98

00:43:25.000 But the Coastal Commission made it so difficult that after five years of trying, they just went fuck it and they moved to Palm Springs. 0.98

00:43:33.000 But they wanted to live in Malibu, but they couldn't. 0.98

00:43:37.000 And it is so regulated and so difficult.

00:43:43.000 And the hoops they make you go through and the engineering is insane.

00:43:48.000 There is one place that they're building on on Pacific Coast Highway.

00:43:53.000 And I've been down to the construction site and I've looked at it.

00:43:56.000 They're sinking six-foot, six-story caissons, so 60-foot caisson cages.

00:44:04.000 They have to drill.

00:44:05.000 So a caisson, you just drill into the earth and you use a huge auger bit, and the hole's like 30 inches around, and you go down six stories, and then you drop a rebar cage into it, and then you pump concrete into it, and that's your caisson.

00:44:23.000 There's a house, and it's a small lot.

00:44:26.000 They're going to have 60 of these things into the ground before they can start building. 0.60

00:44:32.000 Is this because of the instability of the ground, like landslides and stuff like that?

00:44:35.000 Well, you get a lot of that in Malibu right now.

00:44:37.000 So here's what California does.

00:44:37.000 Right.

00:44:39.000 They go, we're an earthquake country or whatever they do.

00:44:42.000 But I've lived in houses in California that were built in 1923 and 1929 when they had none of this stuff and they had none of the technology and they saw their way through many earthquakes and they're just there.

00:44:57.000 So they blame stuff like earthquake or coastal or whatever it is.

00:45:01.000 And then they make you go 2,000 times further than you needed to go.

00:45:06.000 And I was talking to the guy.

00:45:08.000 I said, how much into this foundation before you can start building?

00:45:12.000 He said, $2.5 million into the ground.

00:45:16.000 That's the ground.

00:45:17.000 That's before the first.

00:45:19.000 And is this a new standard?

00:45:20.000 Well, what they do is they just add new ones every year.

00:45:24.000 So it just keeps getting more and more and more.

00:45:27.000 And then eventually that house becomes, it becomes impractical to build there because it costs too much money and then you don't have houses.

00:45:37.000 So that's what we do with all housing in Los Angeles.

00:45:41.000 And that's why the city council's like, we need more housing. 0.92

00:45:45.000 And it's like, well, you're not going to get more housing, bitch, because you're over-regulated and no one can reach that standard and it's too expensive. 1.00

00:45:52.000 Well, and it's also, then it's not consistent with the houses that are already okay. 0.93

00:45:57.000 Like, how about those houses that are like on the side of a hill with like poles? 0.99

00:46:02.000 Just poles stuck into the ground.

00:46:03.000 Like half the house is hanging over the hill.

00:46:05.000 Oh, well, the thing about Malibu is the Malibu pier is 125 years old, and that's just telephone poles going into the ground.

00:46:15.000 I mean, all they did back then is take a pile driver and just mash a telephone pole into the ground.

00:46:22.000 And then they build, they build many of the houses that burnt down were on those because they were like from the 40s and the 50s.

00:46:29.000 So the foundation was fine.

00:46:31.000 It was the fire that got the house.

00:46:33.000 Is anybody developing a legitimate fireproof house?

00:46:37.000 Yes.

00:46:38.000 What's that like?

00:46:38.000 Yeah.

00:46:40.000 Cement outside?

00:46:41.000 Yeah, I mean, basically what they're doing is they're doing a cement.

00:46:47.000 Yeah.

00:46:47.000 So it's like the walls are like modular and it's filled with like foam and like sort of a wire cage.

00:46:56.000 And then the outside they spray on gunite, which is like lightweight cement and just like trowel it on.

00:47:01.000 So the inside and the outside is essentially cement.

00:47:04.000 But, you know, a stucco house is basically cement too.

00:47:08.000 Like really what they're doing now is they're saying, we're going to frame the houses the way we always frame the houses with wood.

00:47:16.000 Because I think a lot of people go, well, why aren't they using steel or metal studs or concrete?

00:47:20.000 Why are they using, why aren't they using non-combustible materials?

00:47:26.000 And what they're doing essentially, because I just walked one of these houses in the Palisades, they're building it in a traditional way using wood, but they're making the outside fireproof.

00:47:38.000 They're not going to have the eaves, the rafter tails hanging out, the wooden rafter tails hang out.

00:47:44.000 They're not going to have the vents to vent the attic where the embers can get into the attic and then get to the wood and cost.

00:47:51.000 Because most of it was just stuff blowing into the attic.

00:47:54.000 And then the house ignited sort of from the inside out.

00:47:57.000 So if you do a flat roof, a metal roof, and you do a stucco, glass, aluminum, and you don't do the rafter tails or the eaves and you don't have any way, then essentially you have this combustible house with a hard candy shell around it with nothing combustible on that.

00:48:19.000 And so the fire can't get started, essentially.

00:48:22.000 And how many houses had that?

00:48:24.000 Because you would imagine a lot of houses have been built in the Palisades since like the 2018 fire.

00:48:31.000 There was fires before that.

00:48:32.000 I remember there was a fire in the 90s because this is a funny story.

00:48:38.000 Me and JB Smooth were doing a show in New Jersey, and this was like probably like 92, something like that.

00:48:46.000 And some college in the middle of New Jersey, and it was hard to get, and there was no navigation back then.

00:48:51.000 So it was hard to get to.

00:48:52.000 And so you had to follow, you know, right on this road, left on, and you had a piece of paper you followed.

00:48:57.000 And so I got there.

00:48:59.000 I left early.

00:49:00.000 JB wasn't there yet.

00:49:01.000 I was supposed to headline.

00:49:02.000 And they were like, well, we're going to wait for JB to start the show.

00:49:05.000 I said, okay.

00:49:06.000 So I sat down in the rec room and I started watching this documentary on the Malibu fires.

00:49:10.000 So whatever Malibu fires this was back then.

00:49:12.000 And this guy was, they were calling, this kid was calling for his dog.

00:49:15.000 And this guy was crying.

00:49:17.000 He was a fireman.

00:49:18.000 He was just weeping.

00:49:19.000 And I was like, so depressed.

00:49:21.000 And then they go, look, JB's not coming.

00:49:23.000 He hasn't been here yet.

00:49:24.000 We can't reach him.

00:49:25.000 So we're just going to have you go up.

00:49:26.000 I'm like, okay.

00:49:27.000 And I wiping the tears away. 0.99

00:49:30.000 I went on stage and fucking flat out bombed. 0.99

00:49:34.000 I just bombed. 0.99

00:49:35.000 And then he came in.

00:49:36.000 He finally figured out how to get there. 0.88

00:49:38.000 So I brought him up and he killed.

00:49:40.000 It was a literary burden of the guy who lost his dog.

00:49:44.000 It was a very valuable lesson.

00:49:46.000 Do not watch anything depressing right before you go on stage or listen to anyone that's depressing. 0.98

00:49:52.000 Like if people start saying depressing shit to me in the green room, I'll just go, stop. 0.94

00:49:56.000 I can't do this right now. 0.99

00:49:57.000 Like, I got to go on stage.

00:49:58.000 I'm a compartmentalizer.

00:50:00.000 I could watch a documentary on the Holocaust and then walk out on stage and go right into it.

00:50:00.000 Really?

00:50:06.000 I can't do that.

00:50:07.000 That's not me.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, I can't do that.

00:50:11.000 I get too empathetic.

00:50:13.000 I just start thinking, what would I do?

00:50:16.000 What would I do if I was them? 1.00

00:50:17.000 And the fuck. 1.00

00:50:18.000 I can't believe this. 1.00

00:50:19.000 But point is, those fires had always been there.

00:50:24.000 Like Flea, didn't Flea lose his house up there?

00:50:26.000 I know a lot of people did it.

00:50:28.000 Listen, when I was a carpenter in the, I think it was probably the later 80s, I built a house.

00:50:36.000 I mean, it wasn't my house, but I worked on a house.

00:50:40.000 Like I was doing Finnish work.

00:50:42.000 So I was like hanging doors and doing base and case and stair railings.

00:50:47.000 And like I was doing the Finn, I was like the Finnish guy.

00:50:50.000 And I showed up on one of our jobs.

00:50:53.000 You know, we had a few jobs going on.

00:50:54.000 I worked for this outfit.

00:50:55.000 But I worked there for like six months just doing all the stair railings and the doors and everything.

00:51:01.000 And that house burned to the ground.

00:51:02.000 Like I went up there some years later.

00:51:05.000 There was just the foundation there.

00:51:08.000 And remember, but to speak of me being able to watch a doc on the Holocaust and then go out and do comedy, I was sitting outside.

00:51:15.000 I was with somebody and all it was was the foundation, the whole place.

00:51:19.000 I said, man, I remember being here, like shaping the oak and making the railings and turning the oak and getting my router out and putting the finish on and everything.

00:51:30.000 It's all gone.

00:51:31.000 And somebody went, wow, how does it make you feel?

00:51:34.000 And I went, I got paid.

00:51:35.000 I'm cool.

00:51:36.000 Now let's go watch a Holocaust movie. 0.88

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:42.000 But you lost your house in this fire, right?

00:51:44.000 No, I lost everything in front of my house and most everything behind my house and like almost everything to the right and the left.

00:51:54.000 Wow.

00:51:54.000 Literally.

00:51:55.000 And did you make just luck?

00:51:57.000 Yeah.

00:51:58.000 Wow.

00:51:58.000 I wish it was, you know, I wish I did something.

00:52:01.000 I wish I could claim something.

00:52:04.000 I didn't do anything.

00:52:04.000 I couldn't.

00:52:06.000 There was burnt stuff on the roof of my house.

00:52:09.000 I could see where it kind of got started.

00:52:12.000 But everything in front of me is gone and a lot of stuff behind me and probably 50, 60%.

00:52:20.000 Like I was an outlier for sure.

00:52:23.000 How many houses in your neighborhood burnt down?

00:52:25.000 Most of them?

00:52:26.000 Half of them?

00:52:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:27.000 Most of them.

00:52:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:28.000 Most.

00:52:29.000 Well, so PCH, everything is gone.

00:52:33.000 And yeah, I would say I'm in the 10 percentile or something.

00:52:39.000 Like it was really the odds were not good.

00:52:42.000 And you're still living in that house?

00:52:45.000 Yeah, after many months of being out.

00:52:48.000 Yeah, but I'm building.

00:52:49.000 Did you not allow to go back to your house?

00:52:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:52.000 Was had to flee that night, had to go stay at a hotel in Burbank or something, and then basically just watched the news.

00:53:02.000 And I could see once in a while in the news, they'd cut to a spot where you'd go, oh, that's the restaurant in front of it, and it was ablaze.

00:53:10.000 Like everything, every time they cut to something around my house, it was all on fire.

00:53:16.000 So I was like in Burbank and I was sitting in a hotel room and I was like, well, it's gone.

00:53:24.000 It's gone for sure.

00:53:26.000 And that's when the following day, I did my podcast from the Burbank hotel room because the winds were so strong that the power was out to my studio, but the power was on at this hotel I was in.

00:53:43.000 So I just sort of set up in the living room of the hotel. 0.87

00:53:47.000 And that's when I delivered my none of this shit's going to work speech, which is like, you know, the difference. 0.97

00:53:53.000 It was like the opposite of whatever Winston Churchill would have done. 0.99

00:53:57.000 I'd have done the opposite.

00:53:58.000 Like, don't even try to build. 1.00

00:53:59.000 The city's going to fuck you up. 0.99

00:54:01.000 It's never going to work. 1.00

00:54:02.000 And that was like eight, that was like eight hours after the fire.

00:54:06.000 I was like, you're not getting a permit and you're not rebuilding.

00:54:08.000 You were right.

00:54:10.000 In the 2008 fire, 2018 fire, rather, when I was living in Bell Canyon, three houses in front of me burnt to the ground.

00:54:19.000 Like I would say like maybe 20% of the neighborhood burnt down.

00:54:22.000 It wasn't quite as bad as Malbo, but it was, you know, three houses right in front of our house. 1.00

00:54:28.000 It was just dumb luck that our house didn't catch fire.

00:54:30.000 And some things did catch fire.

00:54:31.000 Our fence caught fire. 0.98

00:54:33.000 We had that shitty equestrian fencing, the shitty kind that's made out of plastic. 0.99

00:54:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:38.000 That stuff just fucking caught fire. 0.96

00:54:41.000 But we didn't have anything close enough to the house that it carried over and burnt the house down. 0.98

00:54:45.000 We were lucky.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, I was totally lucky too.

00:54:49.000 And I had no idea that the place was intact.

00:54:52.000 I just assumed it wasn't because everything around it went.

00:54:56.000 Did you take much when you left?

00:54:59.000 No, just pretty much, you know, a pillow and a blanket and like just like underpants.

00:55:06.000 Like just kind of, just kind of got out.

00:55:08.000 It was kind of the middle of the night.

00:55:10.000 I didn't even take underwear.

00:55:11.000 I had to go buy underwear.

00:55:12.000 That's when I realized like some underwear is better.

00:55:16.000 Me undies have been a sponsor, and I was only wearing me undies, and then I went and bought some cotton underwear. 0.99

00:55:21.000 And this stuff fucking sucks. 0.99

00:55:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:23.000 It was terrible.

00:55:24.000 I didn't have, I didn't bring any clothes.

00:55:26.000 I didn't bring anything.

00:55:27.000 I just brought my laptop and maybe some important photos or something like that. 0.96

00:55:34.000 Like we didn't bring much and then just went to a hotel in Beverly Hills and just the sky was filled with fucking smoke everywhere you looked. 0.76

00:55:41.000 You know, that was again, folks, this is the 2018 fire. 0.99

00:55:44.000 LA burns all the fucking time. 1.00

00:55:47.000 Yes. 1.00

00:55:47.000 All the fucking time. 1.00

00:55:48.000 Yes. 0.99

00:55:49.000 And the fact that it burns all the fucking time and they had a giant reservoir that was just sitting there empty. 0.99

00:55:57.000 Yes. 0.98

00:55:58.000 In the middle of fire season and no one was addressing it.

00:56:01.000 No one's pointing out this is a real critical thing.

00:56:03.000 We got to get on top of that right away. 1.00

00:56:04.000 We're going to fill that fucking reservoir. 1.00

00:56:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:07.000 Well, we don't. 0.92

00:56:08.000 See, LA sort of has process people, but they don't have get shit done people.

00:56:13.000 They just have people that talk about stuff and then have a committee and we got to talk about the homeless and everyone needs a seat at the table and no one's illegal and all this kind of stuff.

00:56:22.000 And then they go, all right, let's eat.

00:56:23.000 And they just leave.

00:56:24.000 They don't really do the nuts and the bolts.

00:56:27.000 Like I realized, you know, like Trump is a builder.

00:56:31.000 So he is a commercial builder.

00:56:34.000 So his world is hurry, hurry, get it done.

00:56:37.000 What's going on?

00:56:38.000 What's the holdup?

00:56:39.000 Why aren't we building?

00:56:41.000 And so everything, when you're a commercial builder, is, well, where's the foundation guy?

00:56:47.000 Foundation's done.

00:56:48.000 Where are the framing guys?

00:56:49.000 Framing's done.

00:56:50.000 Where are the drywall guys?

00:56:51.000 Where's the HVAC guys?

00:56:52.000 Where's the plumbing guys?

00:56:53.000 Like, what's taking so long?

00:56:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:55.000 Hurry.

00:56:56.000 And LA has a bunch of procedural people.

00:56:59.000 Like, they just sit around and talk about stuff.

00:57:01.000 They don't want to get stuff done.

00:57:04.000 And like when you had Karen Bass mayor and you had Trump at that presser, like a few days later, Trump was going, let's go.

00:57:12.000 Let's go.

00:57:13.000 Clean your own lots.

00:57:14.000 And Karen Bass was like, slow your roll, man.

00:57:14.000 We don't.

00:57:17.000 She was like on a different, you know, she was like, slow down safely.

00:57:23.000 We'll do it safely because everything is under the sort of tyranny of safety.

00:57:29.000 They don't really realize how much safety fucks people up.

00:57:33.000 I mean, that's what happened with COVID.

00:57:35.000 Like safety, say, we're just going to shut the schools.

00:57:38.000 Like, yeah, you're just going to ruin civilization because you said it was safe.

00:57:43.000 And no one argues with you when you go safety, safety, safety, but safety can be debilitating.

00:57:49.000 I mean, you can stop progress.

00:57:51.000 You can ruin young lives.

00:57:53.000 Like too much safety stops a society.

00:57:57.000 And they're all safety oriented and they're process people.

00:58:01.000 So they're like, slow it down, slow it down.

00:58:04.000 And Trump's like, speed it up.

00:58:06.000 And that's what you have in LA.

00:58:08.000 You have just sort of safety process, mostly women just kind of running the thing going, if one child gets COVID, that's one child. 1.00

00:58:17.000 No, no, no, bitch. 1.00

00:58:18.000 We got to open shit up and we got to get moving. 1.00

00:58:21.000 You know, that's basically what happened with COVID. 0.96

00:58:25.000 The thing about the fires is like, you know, Gavin Newsom's like, oh, climate change.

00:58:31.000 You know, just blame everything.

00:58:32.000 That was climate change.

00:58:33.000 It's hilarious.

00:58:33.000 Which is insane.

00:58:34.000 It's hilarious.

00:58:35.000 But it's like, look, New Orleans is below sea, below sea level.

00:58:41.000 They're down.

00:58:43.000 And so they have seawalls.

00:58:45.000 So man intervenes and gets involved with nature and says, we'll make it safe.

00:58:50.000 You know, like plenty of people live in Nevada now.

00:58:53.000 They have air conditioning.

00:58:54.000 Somebody figured out air conditioning and now there's casinos in Nevada where it used to be unlivable because of the heat.

00:59:02.000 Earthquake, you know, you take LA and I used to do earthquake rehab in Los Angeles.

00:59:09.000 You take a 7.3 earthquake in Los Angeles and almost nothing happens.

00:59:14.000 There's no death.

00:59:15.000 It's a couple apartment buildings and receita fall off or whatever.

00:59:19.000 It's really, it's almost nothing in LA, like a 7.3.

00:59:23.000 7.3 in Guatemala, places leveled, right?

00:59:27.000 So what's the difference?

00:59:29.000 Well, we have a bunch of codes, an earthquake, reinforced concrete.

00:59:34.000 We build four earthquakes.

00:59:36.000 And so when an earthquake hits, almost nothing happens.

00:59:39.000 So you can mitigate any of this stuff.

00:59:42.000 Like you're talking about climate change.

00:59:44.000 Well, earthquake is sort of the ultimate climate change, if you think about it.

00:59:48.000 It's like it's going to shake the earth.

00:59:51.000 You're making an argument for those giant pylons.

00:59:53.000 Ah, I'm making an argument for some caissons, but not 65 of them six stories deep.

01:00:02.000 That's the point.

01:00:03.000 There should be some.

01:00:05.000 Once you keep going, that's where it gets real burdensome and real expensive.

01:00:11.000 Like, you know, your car should have a crumple zone and an airbag, but it doesn't need a full roll cage and a fuel cell, and you don't need to wear a helmet when you're driving.

01:00:23.000 It would be safer, but it would cost so much more to manufacture that car that most people couldn't afford the car.

01:00:32.000 So you can make cars with a fire suppression system.

01:00:36.000 And like my race cars have systems for fire suppression, but it would add 15 grand to the price of every car.

01:00:43.000 And it's not, so you have to kind of pick your battles.

01:00:46.000 So we did not prepare for the fires.

01:00:50.000 We didn't clear the brush.

01:00:51.000 We didn't fill the reservoirs.

01:00:53.000 We didn't do all the stuff.

01:00:54.000 It's all things that could be done.

01:00:55.000 And Newsome goes, climate change.

01:00:57.000 And my thing is, yeah, climate change.

01:01:00.000 Fine.

01:01:01.000 Let's make your argument.

01:01:02.000 Climate change.

01:01:03.000 Now do something.

01:01:05.000 But is it really, like if you really.

01:01:06.000 But it's not climate change.

01:01:07.000 It is.

01:01:08.000 It isn't.

01:01:08.000 It is not, because LA's had the same climate forever.

01:01:11.000 There's been fires that happen through LA where LA burns half to the ground.

01:01:15.000 I mean, while I was doing Fear Factor, there was a crazy fire that as I was driving home, that was the time where a guy died on the highway.

01:01:22.000 I got to see this.

01:01:23.000 I didn't see him get hit, but this guy got hit trying to make it across the highway when everybody was panicking.

01:01:29.000 But it took an hour of driving home where the entire right side of the highway was on flames like the Lord of the Rings.

01:01:35.000 So this is always, and this is like early 2000s.

01:01:38.000 So it's LA's always caught fire.

01:01:41.000 It doesn't rain there.

01:01:43.000 It doesn't rain there ever.

01:01:45.000 And it's been like that forever.

01:01:46.000 That's why they film movies there. 1.00

01:01:48.000 It's not climate change, you fucking asshole. 1.00

01:01:50.000 No, it's a lack of preparation. 1.00

01:01:52.000 Well, listen, it only rains, the only time it ever rains is three days after the fire, so we can have a mudslide.

01:01:59.000 Nice.

01:02:00.000 So, you know, we can have a sort of end of days type Sodom and Gomorrah situation.

01:02:05.000 So that is the only time it rains is just to cause the mudslide after the fire.

01:02:11.000 But to prove your point with climate change, they're always talking about rising sea levels, right?

01:02:18.000 All the houses that burn to the ground are on the ocean, and the ocean didn't get them.

01:02:26.000 It was the fire that got them.

01:02:29.000 The places on PCH, many of those places have been there since the 30s and 40s.

01:02:35.000 The ocean's in the same place.

01:02:37.000 It hasn't moved at all.

01:02:39.000 The ocean is only six or eight feet below PCH.

01:02:44.000 It's not even that low.

01:02:46.000 It's never on PCH.

01:02:47.000 It never makes it to PCH.

01:02:49.000 And to show it's a weird thing because people in California talk about climate change, but the lots that are on the ocean side of PCH are 10 million bucks more than the ones that are up the hill that would be safe from the ocean that was rising.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, the ocean is not rising.

01:03:07.000 It hasn't risen at all. 1.00

01:03:08.000 It's all bullshit. 0.99

01:03:09.000 In fact, there was some crazy thing that I was reading about, God, I don't want to say whether it's Iceland or what. 1.00

01:03:16.000 I think I put it on my Twitter.

01:03:19.000 I'm 99% sure I did.

01:03:21.000 So I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:03:23.000 Yeah.

01:03:24.000 It's from Reuters, and it's about Iceland.

01:03:27.000 Iceland has declared a threat to the Atlantic Ocean current, a national security risk, potential collapse of which could trigger a modern-day ice age with winter temperatures across northern Europe plummeting to new cold extremes.

01:03:39.000 This is Reuters, and this is a new thing.

01:03:42.000 Like I have brought in climate change people, a lot of them who are scientists and skeptics.

01:03:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:50.000 You found it, Jamie.

01:03:52.000 This is it. 0.99

01:03:52.000 So this is fucking bananas. 0.99

01:03:55.000 So this is the exact opposite of what they've been telling you about the ice. 0.99

01:04:00.000 The ice is going to melt, the ocean's going to rise. 0.89

01:04:02.000 And they're saying, no, actually, we might get plunged into a new fucking ice age in Europe.

01:04:09.000 Well, I mean, if you really think about it, I mean, these people were the ones who were talking about the food pyramid 20 minutes ago. 0.93

01:04:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:17.000 They're wrong about everything.

01:04:19.000 Almost everything.

01:04:20.000 And they're so wrong that they had to switch it.

01:04:23.000 Like it used to be global warming.

01:04:26.000 Before that, it was the ice age.

01:04:28.000 Now it's just, now they just go climate change because that basically covers them being wrong about everything. 0.96

01:04:35.000 They're depressing the shit out of young people. 0.99

01:04:37.000 Scaring the fuck out of them. 0.95

01:04:38.000 Climate change fear is one of the biggest anxieties that young people have.

01:04:41.000 They don't believe the world will be there for them in the future if we don't act now.

01:04:45.000 That's the Greta Thurnberg. 0.97

01:04:47.000 I dare you.

01:04:48.000 Right.

01:04:48.000 But then why, you know, and the whole point is like, why do anything at that point?

01:04:53.000 Why procreate? 0.94

01:04:55.000 Why study?

01:04:55.000 Why get a degree?

01:04:57.000 Why learn a trade, a skill?

01:04:58.000 Why learn how to play the clarinet?

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:01.000 If everything's going to be underwater or on fire or whatever that is.

01:05:05.000 Like it's really debilitating to young people.

01:05:08.000 And it's weird. 0.99

01:05:10.000 It's weird that these people try to depress the shit out of young people. 0.97

01:05:16.000 It's kind of weird. 0.98

01:05:17.000 It's kind of interesting.

01:05:19.000 All the white people, all the young white people they sell climate change to. 0.84

01:05:23.000 And then the young black people, they sell systemic racism to because they're not really into the climate change. 1.00

01:05:29.000 But they're like, hey, everyone, you got to be miserable. 0.99

01:05:32.000 That's our whole point. 0.92

01:05:34.000 So it's like Greta Thunberg talks to all the white kids and goes climate change. 0.79

01:05:40.000 And then Obama talks to all the young black kids and goes systemic racism.

01:05:44.000 But either way, let's not enjoy ourselves.

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:47.000 There's also a thing that you come to realize as you're an adult.

01:05:51.000 If there is ever a public narrative where they're protecting you and protecting the future and trying to help and save people, that's a lie.

01:06:04.000 Almost always.

01:06:05.000 It's about money. 0.99

01:06:07.000 It's almost always about somebody profiting from some green energy initiative or some other bullshit they're trying to push through, some vegan meat, whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

01:06:16.000 Stop eating beef. 1.00

01:06:17.000 The cows are ruining the climate.

01:06:19.000 It's all lies. 0.99

01:06:20.000 There's no fucking real statistics that can point to that in any way, shape, or form. 0.99

01:06:25.000 And yet they spit it out on TV all the time pretending that they care about you. 0.97

01:06:29.000 They never, ever, ever care about public health and safety, ever.

01:06:33.000 It is always about how am I making money by scaring you about public health and safety.

01:06:39.000 Whether it's climate change or whether it's COVID, whether it's take the vaccine or whether it's stop using gas-powered vehicles.

01:06:39.000 Right.

01:06:47.000 It's someone making money.

01:06:49.000 I agree.

01:06:50.000 The scary part is our sort of infinite, infinite ability to absorb the next one that comes down the pike and run with it. 1.00

01:06:59.000 Right.

01:06:59.000 And I don't make any sense.

01:07:00.000 I don't mean you or me, but I just mean as a society, they'll just go, what's next?

01:07:06.000 And they'll start pitching the next Ukraine. 0.93

01:07:09.000 Whatever their pitch, they'll imbibe it and they'll digest it.

01:07:09.000 Right.

01:07:14.000 And by the way, then they become sort of carriers. 0.99

01:07:17.000 They just go out and report on it and then tell you, you know, they somehow become ambassadors of bullshit. 1.00

01:07:24.000 They're like bullshit ambassadors. 1.00

01:07:26.000 Like we have deputized all you dumb, scared people to be released onto society as ambassadors of bullshit who are going to scare everybody. 1.00

01:07:35.000 Because COVID wouldn't have worked if we didn't have a bunch of dumb, scared people running around. 1.00

01:07:41.000 Like Gavin Newsom can shut the beaches all he wants, but if everyone just declared a beach day, then we'd be fine. 0.98

01:07:48.000 Everyone just show up.

01:07:49.000 They can't police it.

01:07:50.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:07:52.000 They are sort of limited in terms of what they can do in terms of policing it, but they deputize all these dumb ambassadors to go out and enforce it for them. 0.96

01:08:05.000 And then that's the scary part. 0.96

01:08:07.000 Right.

01:08:07.000 It's the people doing the man's work for the man.

01:08:11.000 Yeah.

01:08:11.000 Like nobody in a uniform ever told me to put a mask on.

01:08:15.000 It was all middle-aged women. 1.00

01:08:18.000 There was nobody who had any authority or a badge or a gun. 1.00

01:08:23.000 It was all the idiots that had been weaponized in the society. 1.00

01:08:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:27.000 And it was also a thing where they had the opportunity to yell at you and you just had to take it. 1.00

01:08:32.000 Yes.

01:08:33.000 They were on the right side. 1.00

01:08:34.000 Put a fucking mask on. 1.00

01:08:35.000 Like, whoa, who are you talking to, bitch? 1.00

01:08:37.000 Why are you talking to me like that? 1.00

01:08:39.000 Everybody had to just eat it.

01:08:40.000 I think all roads lead to narcissism.

01:08:43.000 Like they felt like they go, I have a son who has asthma.

01:08:47.000 Do you think it's okay?

01:08:49.000 Me, everything was I, me, I.

01:08:51.000 I have an elderly parent.

01:08:53.000 I'm a caregiver. 0.98

01:08:54.000 You killed me. 0.93

01:08:55.000 My granny. 1.00

01:08:55.000 Me. 1.00

01:08:56.000 Yes.

01:08:57.000 That was all.

01:08:58.000 God, that was all.

01:08:59.000 That's all it was.

01:09:01.000 But also, but no anger towards the people that created the disease.

01:09:05.000 I mean, it's a literally once, once the information came out, and literally Newsweek was, I think, the first place that broke on the front cover the lab leak hypothesis.

01:09:17.000 And they were saying it seems like that is actually the case.

01:09:20.000 Nobody got angry.

01:09:22.000 You were angry at people that didn't want to get vaccinated, and you didn't get angry at the person who used science to create a horrible disease that was completely avoidable and that killed who knows how many people.

01:09:34.000 That didn't make you mad.

01:09:35.000 Well, I think what was going on, because you and I, and I've talked to a lot of people about this, like, where's the anger over finding out that it was made in China at a lab and so on and so forth?

01:09:49.000 And then where's the anger over being forced to be vaxed or all this misinformation being used and blah, blah, blah.

01:09:55.000 And I realize they don't want to say anything because they're ashamed because they were the ones who bought it and enforced it and got really militant about it and started screaming at anyone who suggested it came from a lab or suggested the shot wasn't good or going to work or spread or natural immunity.

01:10:15.000 They went after everyone so hard that now it's a lesson in embarrassment and humiliation for them to go, oh meacobola.

01:10:26.000 Like, okay, I get it.

01:10:27.000 I was wrong.

01:10:28.000 I think the people that were a little more neutral about it can definitely process it. 1.00

01:10:34.000 Everyone else is sort of reporting that they're idiots if they do this and they're gullible. 0.99

01:10:41.000 And it also leaves them vulnerable for the next one. 1.00

01:10:45.000 Meaning, if you go, hey, man, I was 100% wrong about all things COVID.

01:10:51.000 I thought it came from a pangolin and a wet market.

01:10:55.000 I thought getting triple vax would save the day.

01:10:58.000 I thought Iver Mectin was the horse paced or whatever.

01:11:01.000 Like I went all in and I was 100% wrong.

01:11:03.000 You do that, well, eventually there's going to be another thing that comes along.

01:11:08.000 And it doesn't have to be a pandemic.

01:11:10.000 It can just be whatever, climate change.

01:11:14.000 And then you go, well, you know how wrong you were about everything, COVID.

01:11:19.000 Perhaps you're wrong about climate change or this next thing or who you voted for.

01:11:25.000 And they don't want to open that window, that possibility.

01:11:29.000 Well, that's unfortunate because what you're saying is actually a formula for figuring out how to better navigate the world.

01:11:35.000 Because if you do say, hey, I was wrong, I really believed all that stuff they were saying.

01:11:41.000 And now I get it.

01:11:42.000 And I'm sorry.

01:11:43.000 And I'm sorry that I called you a plague rat because you didn't get the vaccine.

01:11:47.000 I'm sorry I thought it was a good idea to mask children and vaccinate children. 0.99

01:11:52.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:53.000 Maybe then the next time something comes along, you'll say, okay, wait a minute.

01:11:57.000 What is the public narrative that's being forced down my throat that I'm a bad person if I don't believe?

01:12:01.000 And let me analyze this and let me see: are there any dissenting opinions that are like from Stanford and MIT, which there certainly was during COVID, and those all got silenced? 0.95

01:12:12.000 Is there anybody else out there that makes a very good point that maybe this is bullshit? 0.52

01:12:16.000 And is there a financial incentive as to why they're pushing this narrative? 0.95

01:12:20.000 So if you go through something where you are totally wrong and you're adamant about enforcing this wrong opinion, and then you have to realize it.

01:12:29.000 And if you can come to grips with the idea that your ideas are not you, you are just a person and your ideas are just some things that you have that you carry with you, but they are not you.

01:12:40.000 And they will become you if you get married to them and defend them, even if you know that they're wrong.

01:12:45.000 Then they'll be like a child and you're hiding a body for them.

01:12:49.000 And instead, you can say, oh, this is why that idea worked on me. 0.99

01:12:55.000 Now I recognize, you know, it's like if someone cheats on you or if someone like, if you have a business manager that steals money, next guy, you're going to check the fucking books. 0.98

01:13:03.000 You know what I mean? 0.87

01:13:04.000 If you're working with a guy and you think he might be showing up at the job drunk, the next person you hire, you're going to go, you have a drinking problem.

01:13:11.000 You're going to be a little bit more ready for it.

01:13:14.000 That's a thing that could be happening here as well.

01:13:16.000 Like if you just admitted that you were wrong and then just came clean with it, you'd feel better about yourself.

01:13:22.000 People would feel better about your opinions because they know they can trust you to say when you were wrong.

01:13:28.000 And you'll probably be way better equipped to analyze the next narrative that's being shoved down your throat and go, hold on, before we jump right in this and blow up all the gas-powered cars, let's look at, before we kill all the cows, let's look at this.

01:13:44.000 You are right, but we're sort of getting back to a sort of insecurity thing.

01:13:48.000 Like, you are good at enough stuff and successful enough that you can handle somebody going, yeah, you're wrong about this thing.

01:14:02.000 Right.

01:14:03.000 For them, so much of their worth is tied up in this.

01:14:08.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:09.000 Like, I don't know, and I don't think you know any guys that really are good at stuff, really mastered something, could be an instrument, could be mixed martial arts, could be Master Carpenter.

01:14:22.000 They don't walk around with that so insecure, so they don't fight so hard.

01:14:29.000 Like, I remember when I was a kid, I would argue real hard because I guess I was insecure.

01:14:35.000 Like, I'm right, you're wrong.

01:14:37.000 You know, like, remember you're a kid, you get so caught up in stuff, you know, like, oh, who would win in a fight, Godzilla or King Kong?

01:14:44.000 And you'd start getting like really fired up and stuff.

01:14:48.000 And then I got older and then I got successful and I learned a trade and I knew some stuff and I had some race cars and did some stuff.

01:14:58.000 And I kind of went, yeah, okay, I can be wrong because I'm still going to be this person.

01:15:03.000 Right.

01:15:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:04.000 Yeah.

01:15:05.000 And it's like you own the building we're sitting in.

01:15:09.000 So you can be wrong.

01:15:11.000 It's your building.

01:15:12.000 It's still going to be your building.

01:15:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:14.000 But if it's not your building and you're just sort of temporary and you don't own anything and you don't master anything and nothing has your name on it, well, then you're fighting for that.

01:15:27.000 You're fighting for your very identity.

01:15:29.000 Yeah, that becomes part of your identity.

01:15:31.000 Whereas like COVID, being right or being wrong, wasn't really, I wasn't that wrapped up in it.

01:15:38.000 I had other things that was going on.

01:15:40.000 So I think we're dealing with a deficit of expertise and these people are fighting hard.

01:15:47.000 Like for me, a lot of it toggling in between the blue collar world and the sort of ideas world of air conditioning and cubicles and thoughts and ideas and stuff.

01:16:01.000 And then being on a job site, the job site guys are the most even guys I've ever hung out with.

01:16:08.000 By the way, COVID, neither here nor there to the workers, to the dudes putting on the tool bags and swinging the hammer.

01:16:16.000 I've spent a lot of time with these guys.

01:16:18.000 I would go from the job site, blue-collar, regular dudes, and then I'd go into the white-collar world and it's triple mask and everyone's distancing and dumping Perl on their head.

01:16:30.000 And I was like, what is so different about these two?

01:16:33.000 And the ones they're up in their head, they intellectualize everything.

01:16:38.000 And the other guys are tactile and they have a relationship with danger.

01:16:43.000 Everything on that job site could cut your hand off.

01:16:47.000 There's belt sanders and bandsaws and like routers are really dangerous. 0.99

01:16:53.000 They have, you know, carbide bits on them that'll gouge you and fuck you up badly. 0.90

01:16:58.000 And you got to know what you're doing. 0.94

01:17:00.000 Like, and a router is not the same as a high point saw, and that's not the same as a framing gun.

01:17:04.000 Like you have to sort of know, and there is no such thing as, well, that's dangerous.

01:17:09.000 Don't use, don't use the power saw.

01:17:12.000 It's too dangerous.

01:17:13.000 Like, well, we got to build a house.

01:17:15.000 Well, it's too dangerous.

01:17:17.000 We got to speed it up.

01:17:18.000 Meaning, like, you got to get up on scaffolding or you got to get on a ladder, but you have to do it.

01:17:26.000 And you have to weigh it.

01:17:28.000 You know, you have to kind of go, well, it's going to take a long time to put scaffolding all the way around this house.

01:17:34.000 How about I just put a ladder?

01:17:36.000 And you go, well, that's not as safe as scaffolding.

01:17:38.000 Yeah, I know, but we got to do this thing.

01:17:41.000 And so it's a constant weighing of danger.

01:17:44.000 Like pros, cons, what could happen?

01:17:44.000 Right.

01:17:47.000 Because everything could kill you in that situation, but you have to get the job done.

01:17:53.000 And so those guys are calibrated.

01:17:56.000 And so like COVID felt like something to them, but they calibrated the danger and realized, yes, it's a thing, but I also have to go to work and schools need to be open and it doesn't really affect kids.

01:18:12.000 Let's protect the old people. 0.99

01:18:14.000 Like they had to make those decisions.

01:18:17.000 And the white collar college crowd cannot calibrate and they don't know what to do with danger.

01:18:25.000 They don't know how to deal with it.

01:18:27.000 And they've been off the farm for so long and in the air conditioning that it's gone.

01:18:33.000 Like you grow up on a farm and that's part of your life.

01:18:36.000 And that used to be part of everyone's life.

01:18:39.000 You were just going to a factory, working a stamp or in a press, you know, whatever it is.

01:18:44.000 It could take your hand off.

01:18:45.000 And then you're on a farm and it's the same thing.

01:18:48.000 Equipment, stuff's above.

01:18:51.000 Stuff can happen.

01:18:52.000 You're constantly sort of calibrating for danger.

01:18:56.000 And then you move everyone out of the farm and off the factory and out of the construction site and you put them in an air-conditioned cubicle and you slather them up with Purel and they lose all their calibration. 0.90

01:19:09.000 So when something like COVID comes along, they go, oh, shit, close everything, get a distance, put a mask on.

01:19:18.000 Even if you're going to swim practice, you've got to wear the mask in the pool. 0.98

01:19:23.000 It's 100% safety Uber Alice because no one was calibrated.

01:19:28.000 And it was all of the administrators and the teachers and all the academics and all the people that ran college.

01:19:36.000 They were making all, they were the ones that were doing all the process for this.

01:19:41.000 They were making all the rules.

01:19:43.000 It wasn't the blue-collar guys making the rules.

01:19:46.000 It was all the white-collar college-educated people.

01:19:49.000 Terrified people.

01:19:50.000 Terrified because they don't.

01:19:52.000 They don't have a relationship with danger.

01:19:53.000 They don't have that.

01:19:54.000 I think you just laid it out.

01:19:55.000 That was brilliant.

01:19:57.000 It's absolutely true.

01:19:57.000 It's true.

01:19:58.000 It's not a normal way to live.

01:20:00.000 You know, it's not natural.

01:20:03.000 Well, being as safe as humanly possible all the time is not good.

01:20:09.000 And they look at it as good.

01:20:10.000 So again, it's we can put five caissons in the ground and that'll be enough for the next 200 years.

01:20:18.000 Yeah, but why not do 500 caissons?

01:20:20.000 Wouldn't that be better?

01:20:21.000 And it's like, yeah, no, it's too expensive.

01:20:23.000 It's not going to work.

01:20:23.000 It's not feasible.

01:20:24.000 And so like saying protecting old people would be a good idea. 1.00

01:20:29.000 Shutting down schools would be a bad idea.

01:20:31.000 And their whole thing is we're shutting everything because we're going full safety all the time.

01:20:36.000 And it is a big problem.

01:20:37.000 There's also no diversity of thought.

01:20:40.000 Right.

01:20:40.000 Because it's a giant liberal bubble.

01:20:43.000 It's a big echo chamber.

01:20:44.000 And so all the crazy ideas get supported by other people that think these crazy ideas are rational.

01:20:50.000 And there's not enough balance.

01:20:51.000 There's not enough people.

01:20:53.000 The fact that they did it with, I mean, all those people with children, right?

01:20:56.000 They must have known this is bad for their child's development.

01:20:59.000 They must have known the kid didn't need a vaccine.

01:21:02.000 They must have known that COVID, if you look at the statistics, it's very insignificant for kids.

01:21:07.000 It's not even like the flu.

01:21:09.000 That's how it was with my kids.

01:21:10.000 That's how it was with most of my friends' kids.

01:21:12.000 It was nothing. 0.99

01:21:13.000 But yet they allowed those motherfuckers to keep them out of school for a year and a half. 1.00

01:21:18.000 They told them to wear masks when it didn't make any sense and when there was no studies whatsoever that masks did any good. 1.00

01:21:24.000 In fact, not only that, but there's some real indicators that masks, like carrying on a dirty fucking mask and breathing into it all day, probably increases the amount of bacteria you're taking in. 0.97

01:21:33.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:21:34.000 It's terrible.

01:21:36.000 Well, first off, I want you to know, I told my son, who was in high school at the time, if you come back from school and tell me that no one told you to put a mask up at least 15 times, I will disown you. 0.99

01:21:47.000 I want that fucking mask around your nutsack like the entire time. 0.99

01:21:50.000 I want it to be a constant correction where you put the mask. 0.99

01:21:54.000 When they're done telling you to put the mask up and they walk away, put it back down again.

01:21:58.000 I will be so proud of you if you get suspended for this. 1.00

01:21:58.000 So stupid. 1.00

01:22:02.000 I was in Catalina and I was outdoors in Catalina during COVID. 1.00

01:22:08.000 Which is an island, folks.

01:22:09.000 Which is an island, folks.

01:22:10.000 And I was trying to exchange a ticket for a ferry ride in a outdoor kiosk in Catalina.

01:22:18.000 And I was standing on one side outside and the woman was inside the kiosk, like behind the glass. 0.98

01:22:24.000 And I go, look, I just got to trade this two o'clock ticket in for like a five o'clock ticket.

01:22:28.000 And she goes, you got to put a mask on or we can't do anything.

01:22:32.000 I said, I'm out here.

01:22:33.000 You're in there.

01:22:34.000 I'm outdoors.

01:22:36.000 There's glass between us.

01:22:37.000 She's like, you got to put a mask on or we cannot do this transaction.

01:22:42.000 And I was like, I don't have a mask.

01:22:45.000 And she's like, you got to put, and I looked around.

01:22:48.000 Could you do this?

01:22:49.000 Do the shirt?

01:22:50.000 Isn't it the same thing?

01:22:50.000 Yeah.

01:22:51.000 I don't know.

01:22:52.000 I've tried it for farting for years and it's not proven to be effective.

01:22:56.000 But you could do it with the bandana.

01:22:58.000 What's a bandana?

01:22:59.000 She goes, you need a mask.

01:23:00.000 And I said, okay.

01:23:01.000 And I looked around and there was someone else's mask was blowing down the sidewalk. 1.00

01:23:07.000 I went and got the stupid mask and I put somebody else's dirty mask from the ground on my face and I went, okay, you satisfy I got a mask. 0.99

01:23:16.000 And she goes, all right, here's your ticket. 1.00

01:23:17.000 And then I just took it off and threw it away.

01:23:19.000 I did that way more than once.

01:23:22.000 I did that walking into LAX, right?

01:23:24.000 I never had a mask. 0.96

01:23:26.000 It was so insane to me that I wouldn't even think about it, but I would find myself walking into an airport going, oh shit, I don't. 0.69

01:23:36.000 And I'd see one on the ground and I'd just pull it up and put it on. 0.95

01:23:40.000 Have you ever seen those landfills filled with masks?

01:23:44.000 Oh, God.

01:23:45.000 How many masks turned into just landfill? 1.00

01:23:48.000 We're so dumb. 1.00

01:23:49.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

01:23:50.000 It was an environmental disaster. 1.00

01:23:52.000 There were millions, hundreds of millions of those fucking things just in this country. 0.99

01:23:57.000 Just in this country. 0.99

01:23:58.000 Not to mention gloves.

01:24:00.000 I mean, people are putting gloves.

01:24:01.000 I didn't wear any gloves, but I wore masks.

01:24:03.000 So I think about it, all the times I wore a mask.

01:24:05.000 I'm one person.

01:24:06.000 I probably wore 30 or 40 different masks over the course of however long it took me.

01:24:11.000 Who knows?

01:24:11.000 Maybe 100.

01:24:12.000 I was a mask recycler because I get my shit off the ground. 0.97

01:24:17.000 When I first moved here, that was one of the things that I was shocked by. 0.98

01:24:20.000 People weren't wearing masks.

01:24:21.000 I was like, they're living in a totally different reality.

01:24:24.000 Well, not only, but the thing that's crazy is the first time we heard the phrase mask up in between bites, like on an airplane where they'd yell at you to wear the mask the whole time, right?

01:24:36.000 And then at some point, they'd hand you the hummus box and they'd go, in between bites.

01:24:41.000 I was like, we all should have gone, okay, this doesn't exist.

01:24:46.000 Masking up in between bites.

01:24:49.000 Like I yelled, I was talking to Dr. Drew and I said, mask up in between bites.

01:24:54.000 That's zero.

01:24:55.000 That means zero mask.

01:24:57.000 Right.

01:24:57.000 I mean, it wouldn't work at all, right?

01:24:58.000 He goes, no, it's nothing.

01:25:00.000 And I said, if I ran a highway safety campaign that said belt up in between lights, it would make more sense than mask up in between bites.

01:25:12.000 Oh, that actually would make sense.

01:25:14.000 At least 50% of the time you'd have your seatbelt on.

01:25:17.000 If you could get it on in time for when the green light goes.

01:25:20.000 Yeah, it would totally make sense.

01:25:21.000 Unless somebody rearranges you while you're parking.

01:25:23.000 Well, I would recommend just keeping the seatbelt on all the time, but masking up in between bites makes zero.

01:25:30.000 Zero.

01:25:30.000 And the weird thing is, is like people, the scary part is people weren't skeptical at all.

01:25:38.000 Like they should have heard mask up in between bites and went, oh, okay, so this is all theater. 1.00

01:25:45.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

01:25:46.000 Like I'm not going along with this. 1.00

01:25:48.000 Or half the people that lectured me on wearing a mask were wearing theirs down around under their nose, you know?

01:25:55.000 Or the one I liked, my favorite one was when the flight attendant would go, you're going to have to get that mask on. 1.00

01:26:01.000 Because for me, it was a constant.

01:26:02.000 You got to, you know, I'm a mouth breather.

01:26:04.000 I'm like, this is driving me nuts.

01:26:06.000 You know, I'm being like waterboarded with my own saliva here.

01:26:10.000 And they'd always come.

01:26:11.000 And half the time, the flight attendant had their mask with the elastic strap twisted 180, which made it create a huge gap on the side. 0.99

01:26:22.000 Like I can see three quarters of an inch of daylight coming in the side of your mask, bitch, and you're giving me a lecture about wearing a mask. 1.00

01:26:33.000 We should have known. 1.00

01:26:34.000 People should have been skeptical.

01:26:36.000 We should have seen it didn't hurt kids.

01:26:38.000 Like the whole lie was the kids part.

01:26:41.000 I was on to them early because I realized, well, somebody pointed out to me later why I was skeptical early, which is there was a pattern that had broken, which is every time they give you a death, like when you're driving and listening to the radio and they go, an 89-year-old man was struck and killed by a cyclist on, you know, and then they'd go, a 61-year-old mother from Laverne, you know,

01:27:11.000 whatever that thing.

01:27:13.000 And when I started hearing about COVID deaths, I didn't get an age.

01:27:17.000 I just got another person died of COVID.

01:27:21.000 And I was like listening to it, like this was like five days in.

01:27:25.000 This person died of COVID.

01:27:27.000 And I was like, how old was that person?

01:27:29.000 And they never said the age.

01:27:31.000 They just said died of COVID.

01:27:33.000 And I was like, but if you died in a motorcycle accident or a heart attack, they gave an age all throughout history.

01:27:39.000 I was like, I'm not getting ages.

01:27:41.000 I think these are really old people, but they're not telling us they're really old people because it wouldn't scare us as much.

01:27:48.000 Because if a 91-year-old dies of anything, you just kind of go, all right, had a good run.

01:27:53.000 But if you hear about an 11-year-old dying, it's a big deal. 0.97

01:27:57.000 And so I stopped hearing ages and I was like, they're trying to fuck with us now because they don't want to tell us these are elderly people who are dying of COVID. 0.52

01:28:06.000 And so I kind of caught on that kids weren't being effective or being affected, I should say, early with COVID. 0.95

01:28:15.000 And then they focused all on the kids, but the kids were there to scare us.

01:28:20.000 Because when elderly people die, it's just not a tragedy compared to young people dying.

01:28:29.000 And so they left the old people off. 0.99

01:28:31.000 They focus real hard on the kids.

01:28:34.000 They shut the schools.

01:28:36.000 And then when we start to catch on and go, well, I don't think these kids are dying.

01:28:39.000 They go, yeah, but they get COVID and they bring it home because they live with Nana and Pappy.

01:28:46.000 And I'm like, who lives with their grandparents in Los Angeles in 2021?

01:28:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:54.000 Like it's like Italy, 1930.

01:28:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:57.000 Like, I don't live with, nobody I know lives with their grandparents, but they were working the kid angle.

01:29:03.000 And that was to scare the moms. 1.00

01:29:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:06.000 And then the moms control the house. 1.00

01:29:09.000 And that's how it works.

01:29:10.000 The moms are the ones kind of setting the pace for the house. 1.00

01:29:15.000 Right.

01:29:15.000 And if they're being told that something's going to keep everybody safe, they're going to lean in that direction.

01:29:20.000 And hurting the kids.

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:22.000 Then they go super safety uber alice.

01:29:26.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 That's what they did.

01:29:28.000 This thing is like, I wonder how many people, if something very similar happened tomorrow, if a new COVID that's just as bad as the last COVID, meaning that it's not really that bad.

01:29:41.000 It's not the bubonic plague.

01:29:42.000 It's something that's going to really mostly be a major problem for old people and for people that are already immune compromised or have many comorbidities, like most of the people that died.

01:29:53.000 Right.

01:29:54.000 But if that came along today, I wonder how quickly people would be willing to accept the rejection of alternative medicines.

01:30:04.000 Like if people found out, like one of the big ones that was really, I thought, insidious was monoclonal antibodies.

01:30:10.000 Monoclonal antibodies were really effective.

01:30:13.000 And because of that, they made them really hard to get.

01:30:16.000 Like there's a conspiracy there.

01:30:18.000 I don't want to connect any dots.

01:30:20.000 I don't know who was involved in it, but I do know that they were making monoclonal antibodies very difficult to get.

01:30:26.000 And when I asked my doctor, I said, why do you think they're doing that?

01:30:29.000 He said, to encourage vaccination.

01:30:32.000 100%.

01:30:33.000 He said, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of it.

01:30:36.000 It's very effective.

01:30:37.000 Listen, I was always really suspicious how everyone became overnight experts and everything.

01:30:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:46.000 Like, oh, they knew hydroxychloroquine.

01:30:49.000 They couldn't pronounce ivermectin 10 minutes ago, and now they're experts in it.

01:30:55.000 And also, I'll tell you when you should be suspicious.

01:30:59.000 Be suspicious when people aren't sort of agnostic about things.

01:31:04.000 Like, if you'd said to me, what about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine?

01:31:10.000 I'd go, well, I don't know.

01:31:12.000 I'm not a doctor.

01:31:13.000 Why don't you talk to your doctor about it?

01:31:14.000 What are you?

01:31:15.000 Epidemiologist?

01:31:16.000 I'm a comedian.

01:31:17.000 I don't know anything.

01:31:18.000 Everyone on CNN was an expert, and they all knew that it didn't work.

01:31:23.000 And I'm like, how do you guys all know this all at the same time?

01:31:28.000 How does Rolling Stone magazine, how do you losers all know this thing that you'd never heard of before that you couldn't pronounce the day before yesterday?

01:31:38.000 You now all know it doesn't work based on nothing.

01:31:42.000 So now I'm suspicious.

01:31:44.000 Because if CNN was just sort of like, hey, maybe it works.

01:31:50.000 Maybe it doesn't work.

01:31:51.000 I don't know.

01:31:52.000 You should definitely look into it.

01:31:55.000 But they all knew it didn't work.

01:31:57.000 And when you know it doesn't work, then you should be suspicious of those people because it's impossible.

01:32:04.000 It's like, well, the whole gamble was hoping you didn't Google search it.

01:32:08.000 They knew it didn't come from a lab.

01:32:08.000 Right.

01:32:12.000 How is that knowable?

01:32:13.000 Right.

01:32:14.000 How do you know unequivocally that it didn't come from a lab where they developed these antibodies and these racist theory something?

01:32:24.000 So here's the whole thing.

01:32:24.000 Right, right.

01:32:27.000 If CNN, you know, if somebody said to CNN, hey, do you think it came from a wet market or it came from a lab?

01:32:33.000 Do you think ivermectin works or hydroxychloroquine works?

01:32:37.000 And they just went, I don't know.

01:32:40.000 We got to look into it.

01:32:41.000 Maybe it makes sense it came from a lab, but I don't know.

01:32:44.000 We should look into it.

01:32:45.000 But they all knew.

01:32:46.000 Right.

01:32:47.000 And when you know something you don't know, then you're lying.

01:32:51.000 Right.

01:32:51.000 That's how it works.

01:32:53.000 That's how it works.

01:32:55.000 And that's what we got.

01:32:56.000 Shoved down our face.

01:32:58.000 The ivermectin thing was fascinating because when CNN was saying that I was taking a horse dewormer, which is they chose to refer to it as that.

01:33:07.000 That's perfect.

01:33:08.000 I had no idea ivermectin was even remotely controversial when I said that.

01:33:12.000 Right.

01:33:13.000 I didn't know.

01:33:14.000 I just knew that this was what was recommended along with all that other stuff.

01:33:19.000 But they didn't focus on any of the other things.

01:33:21.000 They couldn't dismiss monoclonal antibodies because everybody knew that that was really effective.

01:33:26.000 IV vitamins proven effective.

01:33:28.000 But they protested so much.

01:33:30.000 Like I was yelling like they're going, oh, look at Joe Rogan.

01:33:34.000 I go, is Joe Rogan dead?

01:33:36.000 Because he seems fine.

01:33:37.000 Not only was I not dead, I got better really quick and didn't care about that at all.

01:33:43.000 And I'm not young.

01:33:44.000 At the time, I was 53 or 4, 54.

01:33:50.000 It wasn't what they said it was.

01:33:52.000 And that was what the problem was.

01:33:54.000 When they found a healthy person who takes care of himself, got over it really quickly with these medications, they had to figure out, they turned my face yellow.

01:34:02.000 I know, but here's my whole thing.

01:34:07.000 Why would you mortgage your integrity?

01:34:11.000 Why would you play so fast and loose with the only thing you really need to own?

01:34:17.000 Like, it's really all you got.

01:34:19.000 In terms of, you know, my house could have burned down in Malibu, but I can get a new house, you know, and my Paul Newman race car, I could crash in total, but I can get a new one.

01:34:31.000 But when your reputation goes, that's it.

01:34:35.000 Exactly.

01:34:35.000 That's all you got.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 Especially when it's provable easily.

01:34:39.000 So why were they so fast and loose?

01:34:43.000 Like, why was Sanjay Gupta up there talking about horse paste when he knew better when it is now so damaging to their reputation? 1.00

01:34:54.000 Like, if somebody said to me, hey, Rolling Stone magazine, I'd go, fuck off. 1.00

01:34:58.000 I'm not going to listen to any of those people. 1.00

01:35:00.000 Sanjay Gupta recommends, I'd be like, that asshole, all he does is lie. 1.00

01:35:05.000 And I'm not going to, maybe he's right, by the way. 0.99

01:35:07.000 Maybe he's not lying about this thing.

01:35:09.000 I'm just saying I'm not going to listen to him and many other people because of this.

01:35:16.000 And I don't get why you would do that.

01:35:18.000 I mean, for him to say horse paste, like I like, well, it can be used on a horse.

01:35:24.000 It's like, I don't think Sanjay said that, but most of the music.

01:35:27.000 No, what he did is he went back onto like Anderson Cooper's show.

01:35:35.000 Don Lemon.

01:35:36.000 Or Don Lemon.

01:35:37.000 Sorry.

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 To me, they're almost the same guy. 1.00

01:35:43.000 They love lying and cock. 1.00

01:35:45.000 Those are their things. 1.00

01:35:47.000 You're right.

01:35:48.000 They're different.

01:35:50.000 So he went on, Don Lemon, and Don Lemon is going, but it can be used on a horse.

01:35:55.000 He's like, well, it can't.

01:35:56.000 I mean, he really should have used that moment to clarify a little bit, but he just sort of passively went along with Don Lemon.

01:36:05.000 He was more of just not being a very brave person and being confronted and not being very easy.

01:36:12.000 Also, it was like, I think one of the first times he'd ever been attacked, he got attacked publicly after, and he got attacked publicly even more after that.

01:36:21.000 And I actually like made a post about it.

01:36:23.000 Just like, he's a good guy.

01:36:25.000 He's a part of a system.

01:36:26.000 You know, I don't think Sanjay's a bad guy at all.

01:36:29.000 I like talking to him.

01:36:30.000 I think he's a very nice guy.

01:36:31.000 I agree.

01:36:33.000 I agree.

01:36:34.000 And I don't, I feel that way about most people who were involved with this.

01:36:39.000 Most, not all.

01:36:40.000 But still being a good guy, but sort of peddling misinformation that you know enough, like you know what the truth is.

01:36:52.000 I think that many of them don't.

01:36:55.000 This is a problem with medicine.

01:36:57.000 Like say if I believe Sanjay is a neurosurgeon.

01:37:00.000 Is that correct?

01:37:02.000 I believe that's what he does.

01:37:03.000 He's a practicing doctor.

01:37:05.000 Right.

01:37:06.000 So that involves him being focused on his area of expertise all day long and very little time for anything else.

01:37:06.000 Right.

01:37:16.000 You're working long hours.

01:37:17.000 You're doing very complicated surgeries. 0.99

01:37:19.000 I don't think you have the time to go look on Reddit and find out conspiracy theories about SB40 and the fucking vaccine, the simian virus 40. 0.99

01:37:30.000 Like, what is this? 0.99

01:37:31.000 No, I hold on.

01:37:33.000 What's mRNA?

01:37:34.000 How did they make it?

01:37:35.000 What are the tests actually show?

01:37:37.000 He's going by whatever the medical establishment tells everyone to go by.

01:37:43.000 If they're saying it's been shown to give you antibodies, it will stop deaths.

01:37:49.000 This works.

01:37:50.000 He's just going to say that.

01:37:52.000 He's not the guy that's going to do a bunch of research and go find.

01:37:55.000 So when he's saying that, when he's trying to tell people to get vaccinated, it's not because he's a propagandist.

01:38:00.000 It's because he believes the business that he works for because he's not that guy.

01:38:05.000 He's not like Peter McCullough, who goes digging into all the studies and says, no, none of this is accurate.

01:38:10.000 Or Robert Malone, who did the same thing.

01:38:12.000 He was literally owns patents, nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology, got vaccinated, and then was telling people, don't do it.

01:38:21.000 This is not what they said.

01:38:23.000 It has a terrible reaction to the body.

01:38:25.000 This is why it doesn't stay local.

01:38:26.000 He starts saying all these things and they're accusing him of spreading misinformation. 0.99

01:38:31.000 Like he literally helped create the fucking thing. 0.98

01:38:34.000 And he's telling you to not do it. 1.00

01:38:36.000 They would go after anybody.

01:38:37.000 But that's got outside the narrative.

01:38:39.000 But what I'm saying is, Sanjay's not that guy.

01:38:41.000 No, Sanjay.

01:38:42.000 I agree.

01:38:42.000 But he could have figured out the horse paste part.

01:38:46.000 He just I think he probably just wanted to keep that gig at CNC.

01:38:50.000 And Don Lemon didn't want to take the L.

01:38:52.000 He didn't want to take an L. Like your whole company took an L.

01:38:56.000 And here's the big way they took an L.

01:38:58.000 They are used to doing that to people.

01:39:01.000 They're used to doing that.

01:39:02.000 They're used to lying about you.

01:39:04.000 They're used to bullshitting and getting away with it because they had a bigger platform.

01:39:09.000 And I don't think they've realized up until that point.

01:39:09.000 Right.

01:39:12.000 I don't think they realize how big podcasts had gotten.

01:39:15.000 I really don't think they knew.

01:39:16.000 I think they thought we're CNN.

01:39:18.000 There's 100 people working in this building.

01:39:18.000 We can get away with any.

01:39:20.000 It's just him and fucking Jamie. 1.00

01:39:22.000 This is crazy. 1.00

01:39:23.000 We're going to bury this guy.

01:39:24.000 And I think they went for it in that way.

01:39:26.000 And, you know, my, first of all, I easily could have sued him.

01:39:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:31.000 Easily.

01:39:32.000 Easily could have won a ton of money.

01:39:35.000 But my perspective was like, do you think you can just lie?

01:39:41.000 And what?

01:39:42.000 I can talk.

01:39:43.000 Like, you can't stop me from telling the truth.

01:39:46.000 Mortgaging your integrity is the perfect way to describe it. 1.00

01:39:49.000 Cause like, what a stupid thing to do for the whole network. 0.99

01:39:53.000 I wouldn't care if it's the pharmaceutical drug companies or whoever. 0.99

01:39:56.000 If I was the head of that network and someone said, we're going to just lie about someone and we're going to call a universally accepted effective medicine.

01:40:06.000 We're going to call it horse dewormer.

01:40:07.000 Something that's in the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines.

01:40:12.000 Yes.

01:40:12.000 The guy who created it won a Nobel Prize.

01:40:14.000 We're going to call that horse dewormer.

01:40:16.000 And we're just going to say that it's killing people.

01:40:19.000 And then we're going to just run with. 1.00

01:40:20.000 I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:40:22.000 CNN has to be here in 2030. 0.99

01:40:22.000 We have to stay. 0.99

01:40:25.000 CNN is going to be here in 2040. 0.98

01:40:28.000 If we kill the reputation in 2020, you're going to fuck it up for the future. 0.97

01:40:33.000 This is not worth doing. 0.97

01:40:34.000 Well, they definitely they, and by the way, they came right off of Russian collusion of like four years of that right into COVID.

01:40:44.000 Like they were just wrong about everything.

01:40:46.000 But you're right.

01:40:47.000 They got used to it and they got kind of complacent.

01:40:52.000 And I don't think they anticipated what you're talking about, the sort of alternative media and podcasters and just voices coming from other places.

01:41:03.000 And also those voices being united.

01:41:05.000 Like you were saying things that I was saying, that Glenn Greenwald was saying, that Matt Taibbi was saying. 1.00

01:41:12.000 It was like all these different podcasts were all saying, this is horse shit. 1.00

01:41:19.000 And that voice of this is horse shit was enormous in comparison to CNN. 1.00

01:41:24.000 Right. 0.99

01:41:25.000 And, but it's always, it's what happens to all sort of old guard companies or many.

01:41:33.000 I mean, it can be media, but it could also just be automotive manufacturers.

01:41:38.000 Like the big three were so big and so dominant for so long in this country that when Toyota and Dotson started showing up in 1969, they're like, get out of here.

01:41:52.000 I'm just going to try that little pop gun. 0.99

01:41:54.000 No one wants that crap. 1.00

01:41:56.000 Come on, man. 1.00

01:41:57.000 We make land yachts, you know, and they didn't start changing.

01:42:00.000 Right.

01:42:01.000 It took them a long time because they were like, we're Ford, we're Chrysler, we're GM, we're huge.

01:42:07.000 We do it.

01:42:09.000 We sell cars to the world and they want our product.

01:42:11.000 And nobody, I mean, it happens countlessly, like in business.

01:42:15.000 Like somebody needs to sound the alarm, but no one says anything and they just sail off.

01:42:21.000 And at some point, their market share drops, you know, below 20% or whatever.

01:42:26.000 And now it's time for a huge correction.

01:42:29.000 And I'm guessing legacy media is going through that.

01:42:29.000 Right.

01:42:34.000 They're basically going through what the big three auto manufacturers went through in the early 80s.

01:42:40.000 Like we need to make a more reliable, smaller car that's more fuel efficient.

01:42:44.000 Yeah, they were Toyota, Nissan, you know, Dotson, whatever, they were way down the road on that, making those cars before Ford and Chrysler and GM and whatever started to begin to think about that.

01:42:58.000 You know, so it's like a, it's like an aircraft carrier.

01:42:58.000 Right.

01:43:01.000 It takes a long time to turn around.

01:43:04.000 And these media companies, at least like traditional legacy stuff, are realizing we got to write the ship.

01:43:12.000 And they're doing it, but it's quite a while.

01:43:16.000 I don't see any difference.

01:43:18.000 Like CNN's doing other than bringing on guys like Scott Jennings and Coleman Hughes and more reasonable people.

01:43:24.000 It's like incremental.

01:43:26.000 It's slow.

01:43:27.000 Barry Weiss is now doing the news division at CBS.

01:43:33.000 So CBS, who's like lying all through 60 minutes and editing and cooking and all that kind of stuff, they found somebody from our sort of media sphere to come in and sort of be a little more middle of the road.

01:43:48.000 And it's going to be tough because you got a bunch of old guard there who doesn't want to do it.

01:43:53.000 I mean, it's sort of like the first Trump administration. 0.99

01:43:56.000 Like he goes, I'm going to come in and I'm going to do a whole bunch of shit that I want to do. 0.99

01:44:00.000 And it's like, not with all these old guard people hanging around going, all right, oh, we'll call you president, but behind your back, we're not going to let you do any of this shit. 0.99

01:44:11.000 Well, it's going to take these progressive media companies a little while to flush out all of these college grads that have been there for 10 years that have just been used to having their way. 0.99

01:44:24.000 Yeah, parasitic ideologues.

01:44:27.000 Yeah, it's that's news. 0.99

01:44:27.000 Right. 0.99

01:44:30.000 I mean, half of what you see in the news is essentially propaganda.

01:44:35.000 They're pushing a very specific narrative.

01:44:38.000 It's not an objective look at both sides of any story.

01:44:41.000 It's always coming from some sort of an activist lens.

01:44:44.000 And it's weird that that's been allowed to talk.

01:44:47.000 I mean, it's the same thing.

01:44:48.000 You're mortgaging your reputation.

01:44:50.000 But just to cut you off, you don't know it until they start writing about you and talking about you.

01:45:00.000 And that's when you realize, oh my God, they got everything wrong.

01:45:04.000 Like, forget about COVID, just in general.

01:45:09.000 Like, just back in the day when they'd start writing an article about you.

01:45:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:15.000 I mean, at the beginning of your career or whatever.

01:45:18.000 Like, I started noticing it when they just write articles about me.

01:45:22.000 They weren't being negative.

01:45:24.000 I just read the article and go, they got that wrong.

01:45:27.000 They got that wrong.

01:45:28.000 They got that wrong.

01:45:29.000 And I realized that the person next to me who was just reading the newspaper thought was all that.

01:45:36.000 And so until they start writing about you, you don't really realize just how far off they are, even without an agenda.

01:45:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:46.000 And then once they get an agenda, now they're way the fuck off because now it's intentional.

01:45:51.000 Whereas in the past, they're just inaccurate, you know?

01:45:54.000 But it is kind of sobering to read stuff about yourself.

01:45:58.000 And it's always like, oh, they got it wrong.

01:46:01.000 Well, when someone's doing something like that on purpose, that's evil.

01:46:06.000 That's an evil person.

01:46:08.000 And that's a giant chunk of that business.

01:46:10.000 A giant chunk of that business is purposely misrepresenting people because that's going to make for a more salacious story or that's going to push the narrative that you're trying to push.

01:46:21.000 And this BBC thing that they did with Trump, I'm sure you watched that.

01:46:25.000 That's a perfect example of that.

01:46:27.000 They felt justified in editing something to make it look like he had a completely different sentence.

01:46:33.000 Well, the funny thing about it is whenever they confront the outgoing head who's on the way out, they always go, yeah, we did this, but we're not biased at all. 0.98

01:46:45.000 And it's like, well, it's first off, it's one or the other, bitch. 1.00

01:46:50.000 So why did you bias? 0.99

01:46:52.000 And why did you do it?

01:46:54.000 By the way, you didn't get the tape like this.

01:46:56.000 You edited the tape like this.

01:46:58.000 So that's a calorie burner right there.

01:47:01.000 A thing you could say you made a mistake when it's literally 53, 54 minutes later, he says the second part of the sentence.

01:47:07.000 That's crazy.

01:47:07.000 Right.

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 So you're biased and you're cooking it.

01:47:12.000 And that means we don't need to listen to the BBC anymore, which is the part about mortgaging your reputation, which people, I think I've come to sort of learn that it's not always about accuracy.

01:47:30.000 I think it's about authenticity, which is to say people may disagree with something that Joe Rogan or Adam Carolla has to say.

01:47:41.000 And that's fine because it's going to happen.

01:47:43.000 I mean, that's society.

01:47:45.000 That's opinions.

01:47:45.000 That's how it works.

01:47:47.000 But they have to believe you believe it.

01:47:50.000 And if we believe you believe it, and I think a lot of your success is people go, he 100% believes what he is saying.

01:48:02.000 And even if I disagree with 20% of your 100%, I will listen to you because you believe it.

01:48:11.000 And I think that's the problem.

01:48:14.000 The problem is, is when you don't believe that person believes what they're saying.

01:48:20.000 Right.

01:48:21.000 So you can be inaccurate.

01:48:23.000 I mean, it's a lot of moving parts, a lot of information, a lot of stuff you never heard of before.

01:48:29.000 You can be, you know, something like COVID.

01:48:32.000 I don't know about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.

01:48:35.000 I don't know monoclonal.

01:48:37.000 I don't know any of this stuff.

01:48:38.000 So I'm willing to go, I could make a mistake.

01:48:40.000 I don't know this subject, but I am saying what I think and I believe.

01:48:47.000 And if you believe that, then we're going to have a relationship.

01:48:50.000 If you start thinking I'm lying, it's really going to hurt the relationship.

01:48:56.000 And if your job is to just lie, if they've given you some sort of a mandate, this is how we're going to frame this.

01:48:56.000 Yeah.

01:49:02.000 It's not like it was their ideas to all lockstep in uniform, start calling it horse dewormer.

01:49:09.000 And that Rolling Stone article where they pretended that a bunch of people were waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds.

01:49:09.000 Right.

01:49:17.000 And not only that, it was a photo of people wearing winter coats because they were lining up for the flu shot.

01:49:22.000 That was the stock photo.

01:49:24.000 And this was Oklahoma in like August.

01:49:28.000 First off, I was in Catalina when Rolling Stone ran that.

01:49:34.000 I literally was looking at my phone.

01:49:35.000 Was it the same time when the lady was telling you to do the mask?

01:49:38.000 Someone was yelling, get your mask.

01:49:39.000 And I was looking at this thing.

01:49:42.000 And it was so weird.

01:49:43.000 I just had a flashback.

01:49:44.000 I was there.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, I did a gig in like, I don't know, it was the summer.

01:49:47.000 It was like Catalina.

01:49:49.000 But yeah, it was the middle of the summer and everyone was wearing beanies and parkas and scarfs and stuff and Rolling Stone.

01:49:56.000 And that's the problem.

01:49:57.000 The problem is I used to subscribe to Rolling Stone when I was younger and I liked Rolling Stone and I would read their articles and I would believe Rolling Stone and now I don't believe them anymore.

01:50:10.000 Right.

01:50:10.000 And the real danger is, is they may be right about something, but I'm still not going to believe it because it's them.

01:50:17.000 Exactly.

01:50:18.000 And you may be wrong about something, but I'll believe that you mean it.

01:50:23.000 And that's all you need.

01:50:25.000 Well, if I am wrong about something and I find out I'm wrong about something, I'll tell you I was wrong about something and I'll tell you why I thought differently and what I learned.

01:50:35.000 I don't think you should be married to ideas.

01:50:38.000 I think they should bounce around inside your head and you should cling on to them if they're rational and they make sense and if they've been challenged.

01:50:46.000 But if you don't want your ideas ever challenged, then they're not ideas.

01:50:49.000 You're basically in a religion.

01:50:51.000 You know, there's also, as we go down and talk about this, this sort of posture that you have, that I have in terms of your ideas, where I realize that having like a building background, my process is constantly saying to people, here's my idea.

01:51:15.000 Here's what I want to do with this deck.

01:51:18.000 Now tell me why I'm wrong or tell me how to make it better or give me a better idea.

01:51:24.000 And oftentimes people go, yeah, why don't you just do it this way instead of that one?

01:51:28.000 And I'll go, oh, that's a good, okay, I'll do it.

01:51:31.000 And you know, from training and training with people and being in that world, it's constantly going, is there a better way to do this?

01:51:40.000 And someone goes, you're doing this, but you should be doing that.

01:51:44.000 And this is a better way.

01:51:45.000 And you're receptive to it because you want to get better.

01:51:49.000 You want to get faster.

01:51:50.000 You want, you know, I was always like, I'm going to live in this house.

01:51:53.000 So I'll take any idea anyone has that makes it better because I own it.

01:51:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:00.000 And so your posture is always, tell me what I'm doing wrong.

01:52:04.000 Tell me why I'm wrong.

01:52:05.000 Prove me wrong.

01:52:07.000 Tell me a way to do it better.

01:52:09.000 Even in comedy, sometimes people go, you know, you could do it this way, or you could kind of flip it and start it with this premise and then make this the button.

01:52:18.000 And you go, oh yeah, thanks.

01:52:21.000 It's a better way to deliver it.

01:52:23.000 So you're in a dry sponge kind of receptive mode all the time.

01:52:30.000 But if all you had was your ideas and you had no other expertise or anything you could call your own, then those ideas you would be very protective of.

01:52:43.000 And they're constantly like circling the wagons, protecting their ideas.

01:52:49.000 Whereas you're saying, give me a better idea and tell me why I'm wrong so I can flourish.

01:52:57.000 Well, this is also the jiu-jitsu philosophy.

01:53:01.000 When you learn jiu-jitsu, one thing that you learn is if you are doing something incorrect that leaves you vulnerable, you're going to get caught because other people are going to know that.

01:53:09.000 And so someone has to show you, hey, when you're doing that, you're reaching with this arm.

01:53:14.000 When you reach with this arm, the guy's going to get head and arm on you.

01:53:16.000 And you're like, okay, how should I do this?

01:53:18.000 Keep your arm tucked to your chest and use the proper technique.

01:53:21.000 If you don't, if you don't listen, if you say, this is the way I do it, I'm going to try to do it.

01:53:25.000 You're just going to keep getting caught over and over again and you're not going to advance.

01:53:28.000 So everybody understands that there's a reality to positions and technique.

01:53:32.000 There's a reality.

01:53:33.000 And then sometimes new realities get exposed.

01:53:36.000 So sometimes people have been taking the back, getting back mount a very specific way.

01:53:41.000 But then someone comes up with some new move that gets you in a leg lock when you go to take mount. 0.99

01:53:45.000 And you're like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:53:47.000 Okay. 1.00

01:53:47.000 Well, now you can't go that way anymore. 1.00

01:53:48.000 And then we have to break it down.

01:53:50.000 And then we all like try different things.

01:53:53.000 And so that thing of not being married to any ideas is a giant part of the philosophy of jiu-jitsu because all of a sudden there's heel hooks.

01:54:01.000 Oh, I didn't think of that.

01:54:02.000 You can't stand that way because then the guy can get you in the heel hook. 1.00

01:54:06.000 Right.

01:54:06.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:54:07.000 All right.

01:54:07.000 Let's break down the guard pass now.

01:54:09.000 We're going to have to do it a different way.

01:54:10.000 And this is a constant cycle in jiu-jitsu because jiu-jitsu is never ending.

01:54:14.000 There's new techniques in jiu-jitsu that are invented every day.

01:54:17.000 There's things that people are trying right now somewhere in Portland that are going to make its way onto the national scene.

01:54:24.000 Some guy will have some new way of doing a choke or some new way of getting a heel hook and everybody's going to adopt it.

01:54:30.000 And then everybody has to figure out the counters to it.

01:54:32.000 And then it's so this is endless process.

01:54:35.000 So I apply that to everything.

01:54:37.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 It either works or it doesn't work.

01:54:40.000 It's real or it's not real.

01:54:41.000 And then the weird, ambiguous stuff, like how you feel and how you behave.

01:54:45.000 You have to take into account who you're talking to. 0.98

01:54:50.000 Are we trying to make microaggressions punishable by jail time because someone is so fucking sensitive because they're crazy? 0.96

01:54:57.000 And that's going to be the barometer that everybody has. 0.98

01:54:59.000 Or are we going to say, hey, get it together and join us?

01:55:03.000 You're going to have to deal with microaggressions.

01:55:05.000 You're going to have to deal with.

01:55:07.000 You're going to have to deal with those.

01:55:08.000 People deal with those.

01:55:09.000 They're not that big of a deal.

01:55:10.000 Well, it's sort of microaggression is sort of like mask up in between bites.

01:55:15.000 If you put the word micro in front of aggression, there's no aggression.

01:55:18.000 It's everything.

01:55:19.000 It's looks.

01:55:20.000 The way you look at me could be a microaggression. 1.00

01:55:22.000 It's like, it's the dumbest fucking idea ever. 1.00

01:55:25.000 You're just too, you're too sensitive. 1.00

01:55:25.000 Right. 1.00

01:55:27.000 Making everyone safer is hurting them.

01:55:31.000 Like wiping, I was always against the sterilizing everything, like wiping everything down, Purel. 0.99

01:55:40.000 I never used Purel.

01:55:41.000 I never indulge in any of that stuff.

01:55:44.000 I like barely use soap.

01:55:46.000 Like I was always really, I always sort of worked in the dirt.

01:55:50.000 Like I was just in the dirt all the time.

01:55:53.000 I was in football, you're like in the dirt, just on your belly all the time. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Like the field's all fucked up and it's half of it's dirt and you're just on your belly, just breathing dirt. 0.93

01:56:03.000 And then in construction, I was like in the in the dirt all the time. 0.67

01:56:07.000 And I started noticing everyone was getting sick and having food allergies and allergic to peanuts and all this kind of stuff.

01:56:15.000 And none of the in the dirt guys were ever allergic.

01:56:19.000 Like I'd go on so many food runs for the crew and a construction crew, you just go, I'm going on a lunch run.

01:56:28.000 And they go, thanks.

01:56:30.000 And you just leave.

01:56:31.000 They don't say, I'm lactose intolerant or I have a gluten situation.

01:56:37.000 I can't use tree nuts.

01:56:39.000 You just go and you bring home a shitload of Taco Bell or whatever it is and you just throw it at them and they go, thanks, FA.

01:56:46.000 And they just eat because their immune system is fine.

01:56:49.000 They don't have any of this stuff.

01:56:50.000 They're not wiping everything down.

01:56:53.000 And I think everyone has a gut issue now.

01:56:57.000 Like everyone I know is like, I can't do that.

01:57:00.000 There's too much acid in that pizza sauce.

01:57:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:03.000 I go, I'll eat it all. 1.00

01:57:04.000 Give me the shit you can't eat. 1.00

01:57:06.000 I'll eat it. 1.00

01:57:07.000 And everyone I know has got some sort of gut thing, some sort of head thing, some sort of bowel thing.

01:57:13.000 And I realized they grew up sterile and taking antibiotics and wiping everything down and killing all the bacteria.

01:57:22.000 And their immune system needs something to push back against.

01:57:26.000 Like your immune system's got to work out a little bit.

01:57:28.000 It's got to fight something.

01:57:30.000 It's got to get worked out.

01:57:32.000 And you are, you know, they do those studies where like Amish kids don't have hay fever and they don't have peanut allergies because they're outside.

01:57:41.000 Also, they're not vaccinated.

01:57:42.000 And they're not vaccinated.

01:57:43.000 But people who have dogs that are outside dogs who come in are exposed to more stuff and they get sick much less than just indoor dog people.

01:57:54.000 And so their immune system is not working out.

01:57:57.000 Like your immune system needs to work out like you need to work out.

01:58:02.000 Like it needs something to do.

01:58:04.000 And you taking away all the gravity gives it no workout.

01:58:10.000 It's like being in the space shuttle and just floating around.

01:58:13.000 You lose your muscle mass and you lose bone density.

01:58:17.000 And I think your ideas are the same way.

01:58:20.000 Like with microaggressions and stuff like that, you need some calluses.

01:58:24.000 You need a little something built up, you know what I mean?

01:58:27.000 Like a little intestinal fortitude, a little keep walking, a little just mind your P's and Q's.

01:58:34.000 You know, you need a little that.

01:58:35.000 And if you're so vulnerable all the time, like literally your gut and your biome and your bacteria need a workout, but your brain needs a little workout, like a little controversy, a little pushback, a little somebody disagreeing with you.

01:58:53.000 And if it's all bubble wrap and Purel and microaggressions, you have no system.

01:58:59.000 You have no way to protect yourself.

01:59:01.000 That's a really good point about the diseases, about getting sick, about just your health in general.

01:59:07.000 Like being sterile and living on a street all the time, like stepping on concrete, never being exposed to nature at all.

01:59:13.000 If you're a total city person, you're probably lacking in a very crucial vitamin to being a human being, which is our exposure to some kind of nature.

01:59:23.000 Well, and it's always Madison Avenue who's trying to sell it to the housewives, right? 1.00

01:59:29.000 Because they show them wiping everything down, right?

01:59:32.000 That's what a loving mom would do. 1.00

01:59:34.000 She would take Lysol, spray it all over the place, and it's always them wiping it down.

01:59:40.000 And then disease is some kind of weird green animation that's evil, you know, and then the good mom wipes it down and cleans.

01:59:48.000 And she's always slathering the kid with something. 0.97

01:59:51.000 And it's all the like shampoo and all the soaps and all the antibacterial. 0.98

01:59:55.000 It's like this huge business of trying to scare the moms into buying all this shit to prove they love their children and they love themselves. 1.00

02:00:06.000 And they've coached everyone up. 0.98

02:00:07.000 Like if I say to people, like I'll go, I don't really use soap that much.

02:00:11.000 They go, oh, gross.

02:00:14.000 Oh, dude, yuck.

02:00:16.000 And I go, I just rinse off in the shower and then I go about my business.

02:00:16.000 Yuck.

02:00:20.000 And I go, oh, and I'll go, like, sometimes I won't shower for like three days.

02:00:24.000 And I'll go, whoa, gross. 0.88

02:00:26.000 So gross. 0.93

02:00:27.000 Like, it's a campaign. 0.96

02:00:29.000 It's not that different than COVID.

02:00:31.000 Like, if you go, I don't want to wear a mask.

02:00:33.000 They all turn on you because they've all been sort of programmed.

02:00:38.000 But I'm also the one who never gets sick. 0.99

02:00:40.000 And you're the one who's always taking all your tums and all your mylanta and all your stomach shit and all that. 1.00

02:00:47.000 You're the one who's taking all that. 0.99

02:00:49.000 I never take any of that.

02:00:50.000 Do you work out and then take a shower after a workout?

02:00:53.000 I do the, oh, I try.

02:00:57.000 Well, I try to do the cold plunge, but after the fire, the cold plunge, and it's a long story.

02:01:03.000 So I do the freezing shower move.

02:01:06.000 I just go in there and do it.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, like I don't, I don't want to be gamey.

02:01:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:11.000 Like I'll put on some deodorant and that kind of stuff.

02:01:14.000 Like I'm not looking to offend people on the subway.

02:01:17.000 But you don't use soap after a hard workout.

02:01:20.000 I'm not, no, never use shampoo.

02:01:23.000 Never use soap.

02:01:24.000 Like if you bought me a bottle of shampoo, it would last like 28 years.

02:01:30.000 Oh.

02:01:31.000 Well, I got in the habit of always showering and washing my skin because of jiu-jitsu.

02:01:39.000 You get a lot of different infections.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:43.000 You can get like I've got staph a couple times.

02:01:47.000 I got ringworm a couple times.

02:01:49.000 And there's a problem.

02:01:51.000 I'm not saying outlaw soap.

02:01:54.000 I'm saying too many people are too sterile.

02:01:58.000 Yes.

02:01:59.000 And you're hurting your system by being so protective.

02:02:04.000 What I was going to say is, so I use special soap.

02:02:06.000 So I use a soap called defense soap.

02:02:08.000 And defense soap is like designed for grapplers. 0.99

02:02:11.000 And what it does is it kills bad bacteria, but it promotes healthy skin flora.

02:02:15.000 It's all like eucalyptus oil and healthy stuff for it.

02:02:19.000 Smells good, but it's good for your skin health.

02:02:21.000 So it doesn't torch your skin.

02:02:23.000 So, one of the dumbest things that I know grapplers have done, they get some sort of an infection, and then what they do is they wash themselves with antibiotic soap. 0.94

02:02:31.000 Right. 0.62

02:02:32.000 Well, you are just torching all of the healthy bacteria around your skin, and you're just putting poison all over your skin, which is an organ. 0.99

02:02:41.000 It's a fucking terrible move. 0.96

02:02:43.000 And that when that, when guys do that, I've seen it spread. 0.99

02:02:43.000 Yes. 0.99

02:02:47.000 I've seen them get like ringworm.

02:02:48.000 It spreads all over their chest. 1.00

02:02:49.000 It's fucking horrible. 0.98

02:02:50.000 Well, I mean, if you think about how many people have peanut allergies now versus what we grew up with, because I've never heard of anyone being allergic to peanut butter when I was a kid. 0.99

02:03:03.000 No, I've never heard about it.

02:03:04.000 And now 30% of kids are like allergic to peanuts, and it's because they're not exposing them to it.

02:03:12.000 It's because we're removing the peanuts from the house and the airplanes and everything else.

02:03:17.000 They need to be exposed as infants.

02:03:19.000 And now the studies are coming out, which is they need exposure to peanuts, not removal of peanuts.

02:03:25.000 One of the funniest.

02:03:26.000 Nuts that peanuts became toxic.

02:03:28.000 I mean, if you want to show an example of how kooky we've made the world, which peanuts used to be everywhere.

02:03:35.000 It's funny that peanut butter is like the only universal food when you're trying to trap any critter.

02:03:43.000 Like you just go, we got a raccoon in our backyard.

02:03:46.000 Get some peanut butter.

02:03:48.000 We got a rat, we got a mouse, whatever, a lizard.

02:03:51.000 You just go, get some peanut butter.

02:03:54.000 And now humans are the only creatures that can't eat peanut butter.

02:03:57.000 The animal kingdom, you can catch a buffalo with peanut butter.

02:04:01.000 Every animal on the planet agrees on peanut butter, but we're removing it from the classroom.

02:04:07.000 That's so funny.

02:04:08.000 And it's so true.

02:04:09.000 Remember, they used to hand out peanuts in airplanes and they stopped doing it because people got so bad with peanut allergies that the peanut dust was dangerous.

02:04:18.000 And so what is going on in the last 20 minutes?

02:04:18.000 Right.

02:04:23.000 It's not like human physiology has changed that much in the last 40 years that everyone is allergic to peanuts.

02:04:31.000 Like you are removing them.

02:04:35.000 We're not building a tolerance to anything.

02:04:38.000 Our systems are weakened because you've sterilized everything in our world.

02:04:43.000 Everything is sterilized now.

02:04:46.000 And now we're vulnerable because we didn't build up any immunity to anything.

02:04:52.000 But I really don't, I do.

02:04:54.000 Like when you go to space, they got a big problem.

02:04:58.000 No gravity.

02:04:59.000 Right.

02:04:59.000 And their bodies wither.

02:05:01.000 Yep.

02:05:02.000 And they need to figure out, like, they agree.

02:05:05.000 You need gravity.

02:05:06.000 You need gravity in the world of ideas.

02:05:12.000 And you need gravity in the world of your microbiome and your gut.

02:05:16.000 Like, we just as human beings, we just need gravity everywhere.

02:05:19.000 It's not.

02:05:19.000 You need some kind of resistance.

02:05:21.000 Yeah.

02:05:21.000 You need somebody pushing against weights.

02:05:25.000 Like you need gravity for your quads and you need them for your ideas and you need them for your immune system. 1.00

02:05:30.000 Maybe that's the problem with dumb people. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Maybe they're just out of shape, just brain-wise. 1.00

02:05:35.000 Like they've never, they're just like a couch potato for the brain.

02:05:38.000 They just never tried to get it moving. 1.00

02:05:40.000 Maybe it's not even that they're that dumb, that they just have the dumb patterns. 0.99

02:05:45.000 Well, I mean, obviously, I don't think everyone's a blank slate. 0.99

02:05:48.000 I think some people definitely have intellectual advantages at a young age.

02:05:51.000 But I think, you know, the amount of people that just kind of give up and never put forth any effort at all, it's a lot, man.

02:05:59.000 It's a lot.

02:06:00.000 Well, it's, it's, you know, I think a lot of it is because I grew up in a real downtrodden environment and you just kind of get broken.

02:06:11.000 And like I could remember sitting around watching TV and it's like, the Brady bunch are going to Hawaii.

02:06:11.000 Right.

02:06:18.000 And I'd go, like, who goes to Hawaii?

02:06:20.000 How do you even go to Hawaii?

02:06:21.000 Like, how would you get to Hawaii?

02:06:23.000 Who has?

02:06:24.000 And then they check in at a hotel and it pulls a credit card out.

02:06:27.000 Like, who's got a credit card?

02:06:28.000 How would you do this?

02:06:29.000 Like, that's for other people.

02:06:31.000 Like, that's how you would look.

02:06:33.000 Almost every commercial where you'd see somebody successful or a sitcom or something like that.

02:06:39.000 I would just go, well, that's for other people.

02:06:42.000 That's not for us.

02:06:44.000 And so you get really like broken and then you just kind of buy in and then you go, well, this is my lot in life.

02:06:44.000 Right.

02:06:52.000 That's for like other people.

02:06:55.000 And it like infects you and it infects whole communities.

02:07:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:02.000 And they just go, there's nothing better.

02:07:04.000 Like it's not that we don't know there's credit cards and big homes and nice cars.

02:07:11.000 Like I knew about all of it, but it wasn't for me or it wasn't for my family and it wasn't for my friends.

02:07:18.000 And you just buy into a system where you go, well, this is it.

02:07:22.000 And you do it early and it's stifling, I think.

02:07:27.000 And it's very difficult to break out unless you find a thing that you do, maybe a sport where you travel and go to different places and meet different people, something.

02:07:36.000 It has to be something.

02:07:37.000 You get involved in something where you tap into a community of people that think differently.

02:07:42.000 You start a band, you know, whatever it is.

02:07:45.000 If you find a thing where there's a bunch of sort of forward-minded people that are, you know, optimistic and have a good work ethic that's contagious.

02:07:54.000 But if you're just stuck in your neighborhood with the same people and the same family members that have, that are real negative, it's a giant problem because they program you, whether you realize it or not.

02:08:04.000 As much as you want to pretend you're wholly and entirely independent, no one is.

02:08:09.000 Everyone is at least partially dependent upon the people they surround themselves with and the energy of the people they surround themselves with.

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, I remember I said to my mom when I was like eight, I was like, why don't you get a job?

02:08:16.000 It's hard.

02:08:26.000 Because if you get a job, then maybe we could go to Hawaii with the Brady's.

02:08:31.000 We could have a decent car, like a something.

02:08:34.000 We could have stuff.

02:08:35.000 Because I wasn't really thinking about, you know, it's an interesting thing.

02:08:38.000 My whole life, no one ever said the word career.

02:08:41.000 They said job.

02:08:42.000 You got to get a job.

02:08:43.000 Yeah.

02:08:44.000 They didn't go career.

02:08:45.000 They didn't go like, what do you want to do?

02:08:47.000 What are you good at?

02:08:48.000 They didn't think in terms of career.

02:08:50.000 You get a job.

02:08:51.000 It sucks, but you got the weekends, you know? 0.84

02:08:53.000 But I said to my mom, I go, why don't you get a job? 0.90

02:08:57.000 And she goes, I get a job.

02:08:59.000 I'll lose my welfare.

02:09:01.000 And I was like, oh, I guess that, yeah, that makes sense.

02:09:05.000 Like, that's, I was eight, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

02:09:08.000 And then I realized the fact that it made sense to me means I was being sort of indoctrinated into that system.

02:09:18.000 It's beneficial for really poor people.

02:09:20.000 It's also a trap.

02:09:22.000 Oh, it's a free stuff is a guilty page, man.

02:09:27.000 We had a free house and welfare, and it was stifling.

02:09:27.000 It is bad.

02:09:32.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:09:33.000 Yeah, you're so like, sometimes people go, why'd you get into comedy?

02:09:40.000 And I'm like, I wanted some air conditioning, man.

02:09:45.000 Really?

02:09:45.000 I go, yeah, it was miserable.

02:09:47.000 Like, it was sucked. 0.95

02:09:48.000 I drove a truck. 0.86

02:09:49.000 It didn't have air conditioning. 0.76

02:09:50.000 I lived in a crappy apartment. 0.93

02:09:51.000 It didn't have air conditioning.

02:09:52.000 I went to a job site and there was no air.

02:09:54.000 And I was in the San Fernando Valley.

02:09:56.000 Like, boiling, you know?

02:09:58.000 So I did it because I wanted air conditioning, but I had to be miserable.

02:10:02.000 Like, I was, I, I, I had discomfort.

02:10:05.000 I was not comfortable.

02:10:06.000 I didn't have air and I wanted air.

02:10:08.000 And so I knew to get air, I had to get paid.

02:10:11.000 And so I was, I was like motivated to do stuff.

02:10:15.000 And when you're kind of comfortable, you're not really that motivated.

02:10:20.000 And I realized, like, when you were young, when I was young, like we were, like, I was probably confused, but I was hungry.

02:10:29.000 I was like, I want to get something done.

02:10:31.000 Like, I want to do something.

02:10:32.000 I want to do something.

02:10:34.000 And I would talk to people, like, young dudes, you know, who worked for me or whatever.

02:10:40.000 And I wasn't trying to insult them, but I was kind of curious.

02:10:43.000 I'd be like, you're a 30-year-old dude and you're just not getting it done.

02:10:47.000 Like, you're, I wouldn't say it to him, but I'd be like, what are you into?

02:10:51.000 You know, and I realized there was no fire in the belly.

02:10:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:10:55.000 Like, when you came up when you were younger, like when I met Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy was like 26 when I met him.

02:11:02.000 He was like, he was on it.

02:11:04.000 He had a motor.

02:11:05.000 Like he wanted to do something.

02:11:06.000 And I was like, good, I want to do something too.

02:11:08.000 We'll do it together.

02:11:09.000 You know, there's like a fire.

02:11:11.000 And I start talking to all these young dudes and I'm like, what's up?

02:11:14.000 You know, they're like, man.

02:11:15.000 And I go, what's the deal?

02:11:17.000 So you got a car and it's got air conditioning and it runs and you're not really a car guy.

02:11:24.000 Like I'm a car guy.

02:11:25.000 But when you're poor and you're a car guy, it's super frustrating, right?

02:11:29.000 Because you want something cool.

02:11:31.000 Like I wanted a cool car, but I had to drive a truck with a lumber rack and a bed box on it because I'm a carpenter and I can't have a sports car because you can't put plywood in a sports cart, you know?

02:11:43.000 So I would talk to these young guys and I'd go, you a car guy?

02:11:46.000 And they go, nah, I don't really like, I go, what do you like?

02:11:48.000 I have video games, edibles.

02:11:50.000 I like pot video games and watching stuff on Netflix.

02:11:54.000 And I go, you got a big TV?

02:11:55.000 They go, yeah, I got a 70-inch TV.

02:11:57.000 I got a Mini Cooper automatic with air and I like to eat pot, you know, and I'd be like, you have air conditioning?

02:12:05.000 They'd be like, yeah.

02:12:07.000 I'd be like, oh, you don't want anything.

02:12:09.000 They don't want anything.

02:12:10.000 You don't want anything.

02:12:11.000 Like, I wanted cool cars with air conditioning in them.

02:12:16.000 And so I was motivated to do stuff.

02:12:19.000 Don't you think that some people are just internally motivated anyway because they become curious about something and they really want to get good at it?

02:12:26.000 Like that's an inherent part of being a person?

02:12:28.000 I do.

02:12:29.000 One of the most interesting things, and I don't know why, it just stuck with me from years ago, but I was watching one of those like 2020 shows or 48 hours or something like that.

02:12:40.000 And they were showing guys who trained dogs, like dogs who sniffed out gunpowder at the airport or contraband or whatever, you know?

02:12:53.000 And I was looking at this thing and I was thinking to myself, I was like, every time there's a dog that does something, sniffs out drugs or explosives or whatever, they're all different breeds of dogs.

02:13:06.000 And I was like, why are they all different breeds of dogs?

02:13:09.000 Like, why isn't there like one dog that does all super good at gunpowder and cocaine and whatever? 0.85

02:13:16.000 And in the show, they go, well, we just go down to the pound.

02:13:19.000 We get any dog and then we can train them.

02:13:22.000 And the guy goes, well, how do you know what dog to get?

02:13:25.000 And they go, the enthusiastic dog.

02:13:28.000 Like you go to the pound, some dog's just sleeping.

02:13:31.000 You walk in, it doesn't lift its head.

02:13:33.000 The other dog's jumping up and down, doing backflips.

02:13:36.000 And they go, we'll get that dog because that dog's enthusiastic.

02:13:40.000 Now, he doesn't know anything about gunpowder or cocaine, but he's got a motor and we're going to teach him.

02:13:48.000 And I started thinking, oh, I know a lot of people that are like tired pound dogs.

02:13:55.000 And then I know a lot of people that are yappy pound dogs.

02:13:55.000 Yes.

02:13:59.000 And once you take the yappy pound dog, like Joe Rogan, you go, well, go ahead and get into bow hunting.

02:14:06.000 And you go, what does he know about bow hunting?

02:14:08.000 Like nothing, but he's gonna find out and he's gonna learn and he's gonna practice because he's got a motor.

02:14:15.000 Yeah, and there's a lot of people I know they're just kind of flatliners and they don't have that motor.

02:14:22.000 And if you have the motor, you'll be fine.

02:14:25.000 Well, part of the motor is your physical body, and that's something that a lot of like self-professed intellectuals like to ignore.

02:14:34.000 The amount of energy that you have to think about things is dependent upon the amount of energy your whole system has.

02:14:39.000 A giant part of your system is your body, and it's not just a vanity thing, it's a function of it.

02:14:46.000 It, if it works better, you think better, everything works.

02:14:50.000 I I see it on a day-to-day basis.

02:14:53.000 If I have a day where I do not work out my brain, I don't think as quickly, it doesn't work as well, i'm more irritable.

02:15:01.000 Um uh, maybe I don't react the same way that I would if I was more calm and relaxed after a workout.

02:15:07.000 There's a lot of things going on where it balances out your mind and your ability to think.

02:15:13.000 It alleviates anxiety, lets you think more clearly, and one of the things that writers like to say.

02:15:18.000 It's one of the and I was actually just talking to someone about this yesterday.

02:15:22.000 A comic does this, after you write, to go for a walk.

02:15:27.000 Go for a walk and get your blood pumping.

02:15:29.000 And when you go for a walk, sometimes when you're thinking about those ideas, new ideas will just pop into your head, because it's like the seeds are already planted.

02:15:36.000 Now go for a walk, you're watering them, like it's.

02:15:38.000 The whole system works together and if you want to have energy, if you want to have a motor well, the the best way to have a motor is to have a physical body that works well.

02:15:46.000 If your physical body doesn't work well, you're gonna.

02:15:49.000 You're tired all the time and you could say it's, oh, i'm getting older, i'm getting this like a lot of it is just ignoring your physical body for too long and it atrophies, just like your body.

02:16:00.000 Everything needs gravity. 0.99

02:16:01.000 Well, you need fucking gravity. 0.99

02:16:03.000 You need weights. 0.99

02:16:04.000 You need to pick things up and move them around, because if you don't, you can't pick things up and move them around because your body thinks you never have to do that.

02:16:11.000 I agree, and I also would add, you need curiosity.

02:16:17.000 Yes, you're a curious person and all the curious people I know are doing just fine, and then there's people I know they're just not curious and that's a weird gift, I guess it's.

02:16:31.000 I I don't know how to make someone curious I, I think as a comedian, you're it's, you're sort of curious, you know, and I could remember, even when I was young, i'd go, what's the difference between?

02:16:48.000 You know why they call it a sofa or a couch?

02:16:50.000 What's the difference between a sofa and a couch?

02:16:51.000 Or curtains and drapes?

02:16:53.000 Or we just have a different?

02:16:53.000 Is there a difference?

02:16:54.000 And every one of my friends would go, I don't know, shut up, who cares?

02:16:58.000 You know what I mean.

02:16:58.000 I realized they weren't curious about stuff.

02:17:01.000 Like I was constantly being curious and, by the way, your curiosity is annoying to uncurious people, which happens a lot.

02:17:11.000 Oh yeah, and but if you're curious, it's almost it's like what you're saying about your physicality, like it'll, it'll feed you.

02:17:21.000 You most everything you know is started in curiosity, wanting to know about this stuff, you know.

02:17:21.000 Yes.

02:17:31.000 And for other people and many people, they lack a curiosity.

02:17:38.000 Do you think that's inherent or do you think that is how they grew up?

02:17:43.000 I'm starting to think of nature more than nurture.

02:17:47.000 Like I used to be more nurture than nature.

02:17:50.000 I have twins and I have boy-girl twins and they're totally different.

02:17:57.000 And one of them is that pound dog jumping up and down and the other's just sort of chillax, you know.

02:18:05.000 And I didn't make them one way or the other.

02:18:08.000 They got raised.

02:18:09.000 They got fed the same thing.

02:18:10.000 They went to the same schools.

02:18:12.000 They breathed the same air.

02:18:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:14.000 Like they just sort of were who they are.

02:18:18.000 And I think you can take something like a motor that's like a little too much and guide it and sort of nurture it and figure out an outlet for it, you know, like a sport or something.

02:18:33.000 And there's things you can do, but like my sister is totally different than I am.

02:18:40.000 And I didn't get this way or that way.

02:18:42.000 My parents didn't instill anything in me.

02:18:45.000 I didn't guide me.

02:18:47.000 I didn't have conversations with them about things.

02:18:50.000 I wasn't exposed to anything.

02:18:52.000 I was just kind of who I was.

02:18:55.000 Well, it makes sense that we see it in nature, right?

02:18:57.000 We see it in animals for sure.

02:18:58.000 Like there's a golden retriever, that's what I have.

02:19:01.000 And then there's a Belgian Malamois.

02:19:03.000 They're two very different dogs.

02:19:04.000 One of them is a great family pet and one of them is a meat missile.

02:19:08.000 And that's just how they come out of the box.

02:19:08.000 Right.

02:19:10.000 And the idea that that wouldn't be the case with humans is kind of ridiculous. 0.93

02:19:10.000 Right. 0.93

02:19:15.000 Why should we?

02:19:15.000 Yes.

02:19:16.000 And I know we do it because we're sort of narcissistic and we have to claim some dominion over things.

02:19:22.000 Like it's kind of religion.

02:19:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:25.000 Like where we had to create it to go, well, grandpa's in a better place now and he's been reunited with his old golden retriever who died eight years earlier.

02:19:35.000 And we're just kind of constructing a thing because we need some control.

02:19:39.000 Like we need to feel like not having control is really threatening to a lot of people.

02:19:48.000 I don't have that problem.

02:19:50.000 Like I don't mind not having control.

02:19:53.000 I don't, I realized, I realize when I'm racing a car and the car goes out of control, which has happened a few times, I sort of just relax.

02:20:05.000 I don't try to grab and overcorrect and because you'll get in more trouble.

02:20:10.000 Like there's a version of this for sports.

02:20:13.000 There's a version for life.

02:20:15.000 There's a version for relationships.

02:20:16.000 There's a version for driving race cars.

02:20:19.000 But to sort of relax, like if you can, you can see film of me spinning a 935 backwards in a race in the middle of the race and you can see me.

02:20:29.000 I'm not doing anything.

02:20:30.000 Like I will relax in that environment.

02:20:33.000 But people need control.

02:20:36.000 I mean, sort of religious control or like, here's the way I control my kid.

02:20:41.000 I get him violin lessons and then I take him to the French tutor and then I take him to this camp and space camp and that camp, you know, and they're trying to do something.

02:20:52.000 You have to just kind of admit they kind of are who they are.

02:20:56.000 You can't really control it. 1.00

02:20:58.000 You can fuck them up. 1.00

02:21:01.000 You can molest them and get them, you know, hooked on Vicoden or something when they're 14. 1.00

02:21:07.000 Basically, you're there to be there and not fuck them up and to offer things and try to go. 0.98

02:21:16.000 You know, if you see your kid banging on pots and pans all day, you go, somebody needs a drum kit because I think this is what I think this is what your thing is. 0.95

02:21:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:21:26.000 And somebody probably should have got a hold of me and went, seems like comedy may be something you'd like, not swinging a hammer.

02:21:35.000 But I figured it out because it was there.

02:21:38.000 Well, nobody could ever really give you that advice, honestly, because the problem is most people that aren't involved in it don't even know where to start, how you would do it, how difficult it would be, how long the process is, what is it like to actually put together an activity?

02:21:51.000 No, I don't, I don't, I don't think your mom or your dad can craft a good tight 20-minute set for you.

02:21:59.000 No, but I'm saying they never encourage you to do it.

02:22:02.000 Very few parents would encourage their kid to take such a risky approach to life.

02:22:06.000 No, I agree.

02:22:07.000 I think there's a middle ground where they go, you seem to like to talk or you seem to like ideas or you seem to be sort of creative.

02:22:18.000 Ideally, right?

02:22:19.000 But it depends on the family.

02:22:20.000 Maybe it's a family that doesn't encourage creativity.

02:22:23.000 Maybe the dad's in finance.

02:22:24.000 Maybe the mom is, you know, who knows? 0.95

02:22:26.000 But maybe they're just not into risk at all and they just want you to go to school and get a degree and you're just annoying and then they go, maybe we should take him to a doctor.

02:22:35.000 Yeah, get him some Adderall.

02:22:37.000 Get him some something.

02:22:38.000 He can't concentrate.

02:22:40.000 No, I agree.

02:22:41.000 I think as a parent, you're supposed to observe and you're supposed to look and the kid will guide you.

02:22:49.000 They'll have a propensity.

02:22:50.000 They'll bang on pots and pans. 0.98

02:22:52.000 They'll like sports or whatever it is.

02:22:55.000 And then your job is to sort of go that way and help facilitate that.

02:23:02.000 And conversely, like I grew up, I started playing Pop Warner football when I was seven.

02:23:09.000 Like I played tackle football when I was seven and I played my whole life or my whole, you know, until I was 19 or something.

02:23:16.000 And I always was like, every good lesson I ever got was on that football field, man.

02:23:21.000 Like everything I learned, all my, whatever success I have, I owe it to that because I got intestinal fortitude.

02:23:29.000 I learned a lot of tough lessons and now I use that.

02:23:32.000 And so like I, I was like, if my son is going to play football because he's going to learn all those valuable lessons I've learned.

02:23:39.000 My son didn't play any football, didn't really like it, and it wasn't his thing.

02:23:44.000 And I didn't force him into it at all.

02:23:46.000 I was just like, all the stuff that I was into, football, cars, wrenching on cars, race cars, you know, that kind of stuff, swinging a hammer, building architecture.

02:23:57.000 My son's not down with any of it.

02:23:59.000 And I'm like, fine, but you've got to find your own thing.

02:24:02.000 But I'm not going to try to stuff you into this thing that's going to make you resent me later.

02:24:08.000 Yeah, that's not a good move.

02:24:10.000 But a lot of parents fall down that trap, that's for sure. 0.96

02:24:13.000 Yeah, it's just, I mean, if you have a child that wants to be a comedian, it's probably a fucking terrible feeling. 0.97

02:24:18.000 Like, oh, my God.

02:24:20.000 Like, what is he trying to do?

02:24:22.000 Like, how do you even start?

02:24:23.000 What do you do?

02:24:25.000 But get a degree.

02:24:26.000 Go get a degree.

02:24:27.000 You're going to get a job.

02:24:28.000 You're going to work in a respectable business.

02:24:30.000 But did anybody try to talk?

02:24:32.000 See, my thing was no one ever tried to talk me out of anything because they weren't trying to talk me into something either.

02:24:40.000 You know, it's like, Adam, you're going to be a physician.

02:24:42.000 The thing was, you got to leave and get a job.

02:24:45.000 And then we're done.

02:24:46.000 So I never had anyone say it was a harebrain idea or it's not going to work because they didn't care enough to get that involved.

02:24:54.000 It's not like I was going to go into my dad's unfinished furniture business and open that empire.

02:25:00.000 And I don't imagine you got a lot of that either, did you?

02:25:05.000 No, but that's the good thing.

02:25:07.000 I got to figure it out on my own.

02:25:09.000 Well, you know, the thing that's kind of cool about where you landed is it's organic in the sense that like I ran into someone who I went to high school with and I like asked him what he's doing.

02:25:24.000 And he's doing fine.

02:25:26.000 He goes, I do outdoor signage.

02:25:28.000 I do big vinyl signs.

02:25:29.000 Like when the Oscars come to town, we print the signs that hang the whatever.

02:25:34.000 And it's his business.

02:25:35.000 It's his dad's business.

02:25:36.000 It's their family business.

02:25:37.000 And I thought, nobody, when they're 15, says, I'm going to make vinyl signage.

02:25:43.000 They want to be an astronaut or baseball player or comedian or whatever.

02:25:48.000 But you're doing it.

02:25:50.000 But is this really where you belong?

02:25:52.000 Or is it just because your dad did it and it's lucrative and whatever?

02:25:57.000 And the thing that I'm happy about, at least as it pertains to stand-up or comedy or whatever, cars or whatever I'm into, it's all organic.

02:26:10.000 There's no dad was a comedian or dad raced cars or dad had.

02:26:15.000 You're just into cars because you're into cars.

02:26:17.000 You're into doing a podcast because you enjoy it.

02:26:19.000 Yeah.

02:26:19.000 Right.

02:26:20.000 So you know you're where you should be because you didn't get sort of artificially coaxed or pushed into something where it's just kind of like, yeah, I'm a doctor because my dad is a doctor or a lawyer, like whatever that thing is.

02:26:34.000 Like you can own it 100%.

02:26:38.000 And I think it's fine if your dad's a lawyer and you become a lawyer and you take over his practice one day.

02:26:43.000 Like, that's good.

02:26:44.000 That's successful.

02:26:45.000 You're paying taxes.

02:26:46.000 Good.

02:26:47.000 But I don't know, can you ever 100% really own it?

02:26:51.000 Like you can own.

02:26:53.000 Maybe you couldn't or I couldn't, but maybe for some people that's fine.

02:26:56.000 You know, I don't want to set up.

02:26:58.000 No, it's definitely fine.

02:27:00.000 And I don't even know if they think about it.

02:27:02.000 Right.

02:27:03.000 I know you would.

02:27:04.000 But the thing is, like, you have the very fortunate situation that I have, which is we are our own boss.

02:27:11.000 And when you are your own boss, it's infinitely easier.

02:27:15.000 You're responsible for all the stuff you do.

02:27:17.000 You know what to do.

02:27:18.000 No one's telling you what to do or how to do it.

02:27:21.000 No one's telling you what to say.

02:27:22.000 You say what you want to say.

02:27:24.000 And that's very rare.

02:27:26.000 It's very rare and very fortunate.

02:27:29.000 And it also is freeing because like the aforementioned CNN, Sanjay Gupta, whatever, you're in an apparatus.

02:27:39.000 And it's an apparatus where I don't think people are actually explicitly told lie.

02:27:48.000 You know, here's what we're saying.

02:27:50.000 But it's sort of like if you worked at a big company and the president was vegan and you started showing up with a ham sandwich for lunch and someone's like, I don't think you should eat that in front of Gary.

02:28:07.000 And you went, well, he's vegan.

02:28:08.000 Yeah, okay.

02:28:08.000 Well, he doesn't appreciate.

02:28:11.000 You'd go, oh, okay.

02:28:12.000 And you would start getting the idea that this wasn't a great plan.

02:28:17.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:18.000 And so would everyone who worked at that place, right?

02:28:21.000 And then eventually you'd go, what's for lunch?

02:28:24.000 And they'd go, the veggie lover sub.

02:28:26.000 And you'd go, well, what about the roast beef?

02:28:28.000 And someone goes, listen, man, I'm not telling you you can't eat it. 0.99

02:28:32.000 I'm saying it's probably a good idea if you'd like to grow with this company to just eat the fucking veggie sub, would you? 0.98

02:28:39.000 Especially if Gary comes down here. 0.98

02:28:41.000 And so it's not like anyone, it's not like the boss showed up and went, you can't eat chicken anymore.

02:28:46.000 It's understood what's going on around there.

02:28:51.000 And if you're working for CNN and you just walk in and you go, hey, listen, I don't agree with Trump about everything, but I think he's right about this Ivermectin thing. 0.94

02:29:00.000 People start looking at you sideways and you'd get the idea that maybe you weren't long for that job.

02:29:06.000 And that's what you got to deal with in any environment, you know?

02:29:11.000 And the thing that's nice about creating your own environment is back to being organic.

02:29:19.000 It's what you believe.

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:21.000 I mean, it may not be 100% accurate.

02:29:24.000 It may not be right all the time, but it is authentic.

02:29:27.000 But how crazy is it that authentic is rare?

02:29:30.000 Like that we've made it all the way to 2025 with all the communication we have with the internet and authentic is still rare.

02:29:36.000 That's really weird.

02:29:38.000 Well, so easy to do.

02:29:39.000 I think we're so obsessed with not being cast out.

02:29:46.000 You know, being cast out is like a major human thing, you know, and I've realized like I remember, I always bring it up on my podcast, but I don't know why, but I was in Maui and with the Brady family.

02:30:04.000 I was in Maui, you know, it was 10 years ago.

02:30:07.000 And I was sitting at a table having brunch with like a bunch of nice people we traveled to Maui with, you know, the couples and the kids and go to the resort and it's the dads and the moms and there's like 10 adults and everyone brings their kids and all that.

02:30:22.000 And we're sitting having brunch and we're like enjoying ourselves.

02:30:25.000 And somehow someone fired up a leaf blower in the back, you know, some gardener off to the side. 1.00

02:30:31.000 And it's like, ah, goddamn leaf blower. 0.99

02:30:32.000 Can't enjoy our conversations. 0.99

02:30:34.000 It's too loud or whatever.

02:30:36.000 And I said to the table, I go, you know, leafblowers are illegal in Los Angeles.

02:30:43.000 They basically criminalized leafblowers in like 96 or 97 or something, but it's not enforced at all.

02:30:51.000 And everyone's like, they're illegal?

02:30:52.000 And I'm like, yeah, the gas-powered ones are illegal.

02:30:54.000 And these guys up and down my street all day with these things.

02:30:57.000 I go, yeah.

02:30:58.000 They go, why don't they enforce them? 0.97

02:31:00.000 I go, well, because it's all Mexicans who make their living with the leaf blower. 1.00

02:31:05.000 And the city council doesn't like the optics of coming down on the poor Mexican gardeners who use their leafblower. 0.86

02:31:12.000 So it's really illegal, but the Mexicans use it and they turn the other way. 1.00

02:31:17.000 They look the other way because they don't like the option.

02:31:19.000 And everyone looked at me and went like, that sounds kind of racist or something.

02:31:24.000 I was like, I go, no, it's just what happened.

02:31:26.000 And they're like, I don't agree.

02:31:28.000 You're saying Mexicans shouldn't be whatever.

02:31:31.000 And the whole table like turned on me. 1.00

02:31:34.000 And I realized, wait a minute, none of you assholes know anything about this subject. 0.99

02:31:39.000 I know because I read an article on it. 0.99

02:31:41.000 There was literally like the million man Mexican march.

02:31:45.000 They went down to City Hall.

02:31:46.000 They brought their leafblowers.

02:31:48.000 And the Lily White City Council was like, we don't like the optics of busting poor, hardworking Mexican gardeners. 1.00

02:31:56.000 I remember all this.

02:31:57.000 Right.

02:31:57.000 And Brian Holtzman had a bit about it.

02:31:59.000 I was telling the table about, I wish he was with me and Maui could have defended me.

02:32:04.000 But I was sitting there and I realized like the whole table was turning on me because they were like kind of white liberal folks.

02:32:10.000 They're my friends.

02:32:12.000 And they were turning on me and I realized, I go, listen, maybe you don't like it.

02:32:17.000 Maybe it sounds racist.

02:32:19.000 I don't know what you think.

02:32:20.000 I'm just telling you leaf blowers are illegal, but they're used all day, every day, because the city won't enforce the law because they don't like the optics of it.

02:32:31.000 And everyone's like having problems with me.

02:32:33.000 And then I realized I ruined brunch. 0.98

02:32:36.000 I ruined brunch, but I was like, I'm not, listen, assholes, I'm not backing down. 0.98

02:32:40.000 Just I'm not apologizing. 0.98

02:32:41.000 I know all this stuff.

02:32:42.000 What do you want me to say?

02:32:44.000 Sorry you don't like it.

02:32:45.000 But what I realized is half the people at the table were just going along with the other half.

02:32:50.000 They didn't know anything.

02:32:52.000 They didn't know anything about leaf blowers or laws or city council.

02:32:55.000 They just realized that I was the one being thrown out of the tribe and they wanted to stay in the tribe. 0.52

02:33:03.000 So everyone took a subject they didn't know shit about and turned on the guy who knew something about it and said he was bad and should go out to the cornfield because they were all, and this is socially, it's like no one was going to lose their job. 0.89

02:33:17.000 They were just eating brunch, but it all kicked in. 0.96

02:33:21.000 And I could see like the wives who had no thoughts about leaf blowers, like going, yeah, man, I don't agree.

02:33:26.000 And the chairs are like scooching away from me and stuff.

02:33:29.000 And I thought, oh, I'm being thrown out of the tribe.

02:33:32.000 And that's when I realized that was just about leafblowers.

02:33:35.000 And those are my friends.

02:33:37.000 Now we go to COVID and it's a real deal now, that feeling of not wanting to be excommunicated from the tribe.

02:33:46.000 And it's so easy to get everyone to go along with everything because we have that innate baked in human quality of not wanting to be ostracized and pushed out of the tribe.

02:34:00.000 And I also started to realize that you're good at what you do.

02:34:09.000 And so you can say and do what you want.

02:34:14.000 Most people are mediocre at what they do and they can't afford to be unpopular.

02:34:22.000 And this is something I sort of, I was talking to Greg Gutfeld about it some years ago.

02:34:28.000 I was just doing a podcast with him and I was interviewing him and it started to kind of dawn on me that like when you're really good and you could be a really good carpenter.

02:34:39.000 Like if you're a really master carpenter, you're never out of work. 0.95

02:34:43.000 No one cares a shit what your thoughts are about politics or COVID. 0.98

02:34:46.000 You walk around with a MAGA hat on. 0.99

02:34:48.000 It doesn't matter.

02:34:49.000 We need you.

02:34:50.000 Like you're good.

02:34:51.000 You're skilled.

02:34:52.000 And when you're really good at comedy or you're good at whatever, you cannot be thrown out.

02:34:58.000 You can't be squashed.

02:34:59.000 You can't be silent, but you got to be good.

02:35:02.000 If you're sort of in the middle and most people are in the middle, it's a little bit of a popularity contest.

02:35:08.000 Like you got to, you better eat vegan because you better say the right things.

02:35:13.000 You better put that black square on your Twitter. 0.93

02:35:15.000 Right.

02:35:16.000 Or on your Instagram.

02:35:17.000 Which I did not do.

02:35:19.000 But they told me you got to do it.

02:35:22.000 That's crazy.

02:35:23.000 I'm not doing it.

02:35:24.000 It was so nuts.

02:35:25.000 I was watching people do it.

02:35:26.000 You're good.

02:35:27.000 Yeah.

02:35:28.000 I think we're out of coffee.

02:35:30.000 Unfortunately.

02:35:31.000 It might be a little bit nuts.

02:35:32.000 That's all right.

02:35:33.000 I love coffee.

02:35:34.000 There's plenty in there.

02:35:35.000 Yeah, that is a thing that a lot of people lack in this life.

02:35:38.000 Well, it's the problem is, is like if you think you're good and you're not good, you get smacked down.

02:35:47.000 Like you get into trouble, right?

02:35:48.000 So if you're not that good and you go, screw this, I'm not working for CNN anymore.

02:35:53.000 I'm going to go do my own podcast and you're not that good, then you're in trouble, right?

02:35:59.000 And if you go, I'm going to blow this taco stand and get out of this business.

02:36:04.000 I'm going to do something.

02:36:05.000 I'm going to open a restaurant, but you're not that good, you'll get into trouble.

02:36:09.000 And most people are sort of living in the middle and kind of fearful.

02:36:15.000 But if you're good and you kind of own it and you're calibrated and you know you're good, then you can kind of say what you want and you can kind of do what you want, but you have to be good.

02:36:28.000 And like all the people that were sort of in mainstream media that like broke out and started doing their own thing were good.

02:36:37.000 I mean, they thought they were good and they thought they were good enough.

02:36:40.000 When you're in the middle, it's vulnerable.

02:36:43.000 Yeah.

02:36:44.000 You got to kind of watch yourself and mind your P's and Q's.

02:36:49.000 It's also that thing that you were talking about, the dinner table, where all those other people who didn't know anything about it were signaling to the tribe that they were, you know, that they didn't want to get cast out.

02:36:59.000 Right.

02:37:00.000 They're one of the good ones.

02:37:01.000 Yeah.

02:37:01.000 Right.

02:37:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:37:03.000 There's so many cowards that do that.

02:37:05.000 There's so many people that are just terrified.

02:37:07.000 And they don't encounter a lot of difficulty in their life, a lot of like real anxiety-inducing difficulty.

02:37:14.000 And so when something does come up that's like that, they just fold.

02:37:18.000 They just want to be comfortable again.

02:37:19.000 Like, what do I have to do?

02:37:21.000 It's so sad.

02:37:23.000 And it's also people, people in dignity, like dignity and character, like character used to be something we talked about.

02:37:31.000 We don't really talk about character anymore.

02:37:35.000 And it's also people like their resting state of a lot of people is weak and kind of like a little disappointing.

02:37:45.000 And it's, it's, it's like, I think guys that are have like high character people and also stoic type people are kind of really always disappointed by people.

02:38:01.000 Like you're probably a pretty stoic guy and you see how people act and you go, oh, like, like it's sad.

02:38:09.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:10.000 Like, like, yeah.

02:38:12.000 And it's sort of, I don't know why, but it reminded me, but when I lived in Santa Monica million years ago, somebody got their purse stolen out on the street at night.

02:38:25.000 I was this poor guy living in a rent control apartment, swinging a hammer, you know, driving a Zuzu trooper.

02:38:32.000 And I was coming home at night.

02:38:34.000 It was like nine o'clock at night.

02:38:35.000 I was just with groceries.

02:38:36.000 And I walked up to my apartment and I heard a woman screaming out in the street. 0.92

02:38:41.000 He's got my purse.

02:38:42.000 Look help.

02:38:42.000 Like just out in the street.

02:38:43.000 I couldn't really see it from where I was.

02:38:46.000 So I just ran out there because a woman was screaming.

02:38:49.000 And I got there and she said, the guy stole my party.

02:38:51.000 Guys, he's got my stuff.

02:38:52.000 And I just started chasing the guy just sort of instinctively.

02:38:56.000 I didn't really think about it.

02:38:57.000 I was just chasing him.

02:38:58.000 And also, I was like, well, I boxed.

02:39:01.000 I played football.

02:39:02.000 I felt good.

02:39:03.000 I was in good shape.

02:39:03.000 I didn't care.

02:39:04.000 I didn't have much to lose.

02:39:06.000 I didn't have anything.

02:39:07.000 So I just started chasing him.

02:39:08.000 And a guy was trying to pick him up in a car because he had like a wheel guy.

02:39:13.000 But I was too close to the guy and he couldn't get in the car.

02:39:15.000 I chased him like a couple of blocks and eventually just threw the briefcase or the purse.

02:39:20.000 He just threw it and he kept running.

02:39:22.000 And when he threw everything down, I just stopped.

02:39:25.000 It was all scattered around the sidewalk.

02:39:27.000 And I stopped.

02:39:28.000 I started put it back together.

02:39:30.000 And I was like, I'm not going to chase the guy.

02:39:32.000 He dropped all the stuff.

02:39:33.000 And then the woman showed up and she started getting her stuff together. 0.97

02:39:39.000 And at some point, the neighbors started filing out onto the street.

02:39:45.000 And a crowd kind of gathered up.

02:39:47.000 And then a cop pulled up at a certain point.

02:39:50.000 And the cop was like, what went on here?

02:39:53.000 What happened?

02:39:54.000 And I remember the neighbors, they go, well, we heard this woman screaming. 0.52

02:40:01.000 So we all ran out and chased the guy.

02:40:03.000 And I was like, none of you ran out and chased anybody.

02:40:08.000 I ran out and chased the guy.

02:40:10.000 He dropped the stuff.

02:40:11.000 And then 10 minutes later, you guys all came out in your bathrobes, but you didn't chase anybody.

02:40:16.000 But then I realized that's what they want.

02:40:18.000 They wanted to be that person, but they weren't that person.

02:40:23.000 So they created this scenario where they were that person.

02:40:29.000 And I listened to them all like talk to the cops.

02:40:31.000 And I've just stood there.

02:40:32.000 I didn't say anything.

02:40:33.000 I wanted to hear what they had to say.

02:40:35.000 And they all told the same story.

02:40:36.000 Like, when I heard a woman screaming, I snapped into action and ran out.

02:40:41.000 You know, it's like, none of you did any of this because I was there.

02:40:45.000 And I realized, oh, people have a real, they have a version of themselves that's in their head. 0.98

02:40:52.000 And then there's the version of them that's kind of a lazy coward.

02:40:57.000 And they're busy watching that film footage of the hero stuff. 1.00

02:41:01.000 And nobody thinks, like, no one during COVID said, I'm bad and I'm weak and I'm dumb. 0.92

02:41:07.000 And that's why I made fun of Joe Rogan or whatever.

02:41:09.000 They just go, I was trying to do the right thing, trying to save people.

02:41:13.000 We didn't know.

02:41:14.000 You know, there's always this sort of hero's reel that's running in their head.

02:41:20.000 It's not the real one.

02:41:22.000 It's not the one you know. 0.99

02:41:23.000 It's not the weak, cowardly one. 0.96

02:41:25.000 It's the stoic, strong one.

02:41:27.000 It's the one that heard a dansel in distress and snapped into action. 1.00

02:41:32.000 Damn the torpedoes. 0.99

02:41:34.000 I came running outside to find this guy and chased him. 1.00

02:41:38.000 That's what's in your head.

02:41:39.000 The reality is, you were looking out the window and you were scared.

02:41:42.000 Yeah.

02:41:43.000 And most people don't really have any moments like that in their life where they can go, oh, remember that time that guy had the purse and he ran down the street and we tackled him?

02:41:53.000 Let's do that again.

02:41:54.000 It's happening now.

02:41:55.000 Like most people, that's never going to happen.

02:41:57.000 No, I mean your safe little life.

02:42:00.000 Yes, but fear is a crusher.

02:42:04.000 Man, I mean, a little bit of fear goes a long way.

02:42:04.000 Yeah.

02:42:09.000 Yeah.

02:42:09.000 And especially with men, the desire to inflate their participation in any heroic act.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:18.000 Men love to pretend they're something they're not.

02:42:21.000 It's amazing.

02:42:22.000 It's sad, Joe.

02:42:24.000 Well, it definitely is, but it's also a symptom of a lack of being tested.

02:42:28.000 You know, the people, all the people that I know that, like, I always say this about MMA fighters, they're like the nicest people you're ever going to run into because they don't have to test themselves with you.

02:42:39.000 They've been tested constantly. 0.95

02:42:40.000 No, there's something about the boxer and the fighter and those guys that are like so secure in their version or vision of themselves that they're never overcompensating with a bunch of other horse shit.

02:42:59.000 And I sort of always like those guys and I've always found it to be that way, like being in boxing gyms and stuff.

02:43:08.000 Like the movie version of the boxing gym is, hey, tough guy, you know, whatever.

02:43:13.000 The rallies is people are like, I could remember like back in the day, like the bell, you know, because you're on a bell.

02:43:21.000 You know, the whole gym was on a bell, right?

02:43:22.000 Like three minutes and then one minute off or whatever.

02:43:25.000 Like sometimes you'd go walking up to a heavy bag because you didn't think the guy was on it.

02:43:30.000 And then some huge dude would come up and go, oh, I'm sorry, I was working on that bag.

02:43:34.000 And I go, oh, okay.

02:43:35.000 And he'd go, sorry, you can get in.

02:43:36.000 And like, it wasn't like, hey, bro, you know, there wasn't any of that.

02:43:40.000 It was always really, they always seemed like secure and kind of calm.

02:43:46.000 I mean, it was sort of like a big dog versus a yappy little dog.

02:43:50.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:51.000 The big dog sort of knows.

02:43:53.000 And I appreciate it.

02:43:54.000 And I like that.

02:43:56.000 And I definitely like those guys.

02:43:59.000 And I see why you like those kind of guys because they're just more attractive.

02:44:06.000 Like they're just better. 0.96

02:44:08.000 And I was going to tell you that, you know, when people like, there's so many weird, soft sort of dudes like transitioning and all that shit. 0.99

02:44:18.000 And then there's these sort of carnivore meat lovers, MMA guys going on. 0.79

02:44:25.000 And I was, someone, it was Dr. Drew.

02:44:28.000 Dr. Drew always says to me, where are we going?

02:44:30.000 What's going on?

02:44:32.000 Where are we heading as a society?

02:44:34.000 When are we going to fix this, essentially?

02:44:36.000 And I just said, safe spaces and octagons.

02:44:40.000 He's like, what do you mean? 0.97

02:44:41.000 I go, the fucking safe space people are going to go further that way. 0.98

02:44:45.000 And then there's a group of people that are moving to Florida and moving to Texas, and they're going the other direction. 0.97

02:44:52.000 Like in LA, when they started pushing electric cars, I started seeing tons of ram-doole pickup trucks popping up.

02:45:01.000 Like every for every one person you push into an electric car or Prius, another dude buys a ram and puts a gun rack on it.

02:45:10.000 Like that's what we're doing.

02:45:12.000 And I don't know how it's going to end, but I can tell you, we're just going safe spaces and octagons. 0.99

02:45:18.000 It's going to be move out to Texas and practice MMA with Joe Rogan, or it's going to be move to Seattle and get your dick cut off. 0.99

02:45:28.000 And there'll be nothing in between. 0.99

02:45:31.000 That's the ultimate civil war.

02:45:33.000 Yes.

02:45:34.000 And it's my conclusion that the safe spaces eventually are going to have to come to the octagons and go, we need protection.

02:45:41.000 Well, we need you.

02:45:43.000 It's a great way to look at the world right now.

02:45:46.000 And it's certainly a symptom of going one way or the other.

02:45:53.000 But I always wonder, is it the nature of the nurture thing?

02:45:55.000 Like, is there something wrong with not just society, but also the environment that we are creating more biological organisms that are susceptible to weakness?

02:46:06.000 You know, like not just physical weakness, but emotional and psychological weakness.

02:46:10.000 Like there's a thing that's going on that's on top of what's going on as far as culture and society.

02:46:16.000 And that's like microplastics in people's diets.

02:46:19.000 They're just destroying their endocrine systems. 0.99

02:46:21.000 That's all like trackable.

02:46:23.000 Like a spork in our brain worth of plastic right now.

02:46:27.000 Dr. Shannon Swan has an amazing book about it.

02:46:30.000 You all should read it because it's terrifying.

02:46:32.000 Well, I think there's a lot of practical organic stuff like plastics and microplastics and stuff like that.

02:46:40.000 Environmental toxins, what you were talking about before, about living in cities.

02:46:44.000 Yeah, not being encountering nature.

02:46:45.000 There's all of that, but there's also why do you need to be able to fight anymore?

02:46:53.000 You don't need it.

02:46:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:46:55.000 Like, we don't live.

02:46:58.000 Why do you need to be able to lift heavy things?

02:47:00.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:01.000 Like, hey, man, if you're a coal miner or you work on a farm and there's bales of hay and you got to check, you can't have a wimpy guy throwing bales of hay up under the loft, you know, but everything is computerized and air conditioned and you're in your cubicle.

02:47:15.000 Like, what do we need you for?

02:47:17.000 You know, like, what's the necessity?

02:47:19.000 Like, why wouldn't we get softer and weaker?

02:47:22.000 We're not bailing hay and throwing it up to the barn anymore.

02:47:26.000 We're not mending the fences.

02:47:28.000 Nobody's having to, you know, wrangle the steers.

02:47:32.000 We don't have to make cabins.

02:47:34.000 You don't have to chop a tree down and make a cabin anymore.

02:47:37.000 You go to IKEA and there's a cabin there you can buy, you know, made in China.

02:47:41.000 Like we're not, why wouldn't we go this way?

02:47:45.000 It's a natural course of progression.

02:47:45.000 Well, it's natural.

02:47:47.000 Well, when you look at aliens, they're never jacked.

02:47:49.000 Right.

02:47:50.000 You never see a jacked alien.

02:47:51.000 You see these aliens that have no muscle tone.

02:47:53.000 They have no gender. 0.99

02:47:55.000 And that's where we're headed.

02:47:56.000 But that is a great name for an energy drink.

02:47:58.000 Jacked alien? 1.00

02:48:00.000 Joe, if you threw your considerable weight behind my new product, Jacked Alien, monster, Red Bull, kiss my ass. 1.00

02:48:09.000 We would kill it. 1.00

02:48:10.000 Jacked Alien, we'd be sponsoring X games, fighters, it'd be in every ring, it'd be in every octagon. 0.81

02:48:18.000 We might hold this podcast for a couple days and get a patent on Jacked Alien.

02:48:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:48:24.000 You might have to.

02:48:25.000 Yeah.

02:48:27.000 You're going to be the face of Jacked Alien by the way.

02:48:29.000 It's where humanity seems to be heading, some sort of genderless direction. 0.98

02:48:33.000 Everyone's a giant egghead. 0.85

02:48:35.000 Right. 1.00

02:48:35.000 You don't need to fuck and you don't need to fight. 1.00

02:48:37.000 So What do we need all this shit for? 1.00

02:48:41.000 If the aliens aren't real, I think that's what the architect. 0.99

02:48:43.000 There's a Jacked Alien website?

02:48:46.000 What is it?

02:48:47.000 Oh, really?

02:48:47.000 Workout clothes.

02:48:48.000 That's hilarious.

02:48:50.000 And they make workout clothes? 0.99

02:48:52.000 I'm suing the shit out of that company. 0.99

02:48:54.000 That's funny. 0.98

02:48:55.000 That's my IP, man.

02:48:57.000 Jacked Alien, that's hilarious.

02:48:59.000 Well, we just gave him some press.

02:49:02.000 Shout out to Jacked Alien. 0.99

02:49:03.000 I hope you got cool shit. 0.99

02:49:06.000 But when we think about what human beings are eventually going to be, the alien archetype is what makes the most sense, right? 1.00

02:49:13.000 Like genderless, not using their mouth to talk anymore, giant fucking hands. 1.00

02:49:18.000 No muscle at all. 1.00

02:49:19.000 Why do you need big biceps to move a joystick or push a button?

02:49:23.000 And the only reason why it's attractive, if you don't need it, is like a biological reproduction attractiveness, right?

02:49:31.000 The hips of a girl, the waist, the beautiful symmetry of the face, all that stuff is just biological reinforced to get you to breed with good genetic people.

02:49:41.000 But if all that's out the window and all breeding is done through some sort of a computer or something along those lines.

02:49:48.000 But also, why do you need any of it if it's antiquated?

02:49:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:49:52.000 Like if we're just a society of button pushers, what do you need that big V strapping to that big shoulders?

02:49:59.000 It just depends on what's going on in the body.

02:50:02.000 Like, are you the still, do you still have the same monkey body that you had 10,000 years ago?

02:50:06.000 Because if you do, you're going to need to exercise just for sanity.

02:50:09.000 And it'll help you to have all those things.

02:50:12.000 And things like jiu-jitsu, yeah, you probably don't need to use jiu-jitsu ever in your life if you're lucky. 0.58

02:50:17.000 But it's a good thing to learn because it's really fucking hard to do. 0.73

02:50:22.000 I agree. 0.70

02:50:22.000 And I think doing things that are hard to do are good. 0.70

02:50:26.000 And I think doing things that scare you are good.

02:50:29.000 And I've had a bunch of situations in my life where people, like people would say to me all the time, they'd go, what made you decide to do dancing with the stars?

02:50:40.000 And I go, I didn't decide to do it.

02:50:43.000 I remember where I was.

02:50:45.000 And my agent called and he said, they want you to do dancing with the stars.

02:50:50.000 And as soon as he said that, I felt that weird fear.

02:50:54.000 Like, remember when you're in junior high and they're like, Johnny Finnegan wants to meet you by the tunnel after school.

02:51:00.000 And you're like, you had that moment.

02:51:02.000 Remember that weird fear moment?

02:51:04.000 And they said, do dancing with the stars.

02:51:06.000 And I went, I felt that weird junior high.

02:51:10.000 He's going to fight you after school.

02:51:12.000 Like the weird feeling of fear of making a fool of myself, you know, and I felt it.

02:51:18.000 And I could have went, oh, that's lame, or I wouldn't embarrass myself on that show.

02:51:24.000 But I felt fear.

02:51:26.000 And as soon as I felt fear, I was like, I'll do it.

02:51:29.000 Because I realized that everything would be a lie. 0.99

02:51:33.000 Like I could go, that's stupid or that's lame or I don't want to do that. 0.96

02:51:37.000 But that wouldn't be the reason. 0.99

02:51:38.000 The reason is, is I was scared.

02:51:40.000 I felt scared.

02:51:41.000 I can't dance.

02:51:42.000 I'm going to humiliate myself.

02:51:45.000 And you can get like most of the stuff I've done that has been good.

02:51:51.000 I did a professional Trans Am car race once and I was just like, someone said, you want to do it?

02:51:59.000 And I was like, I'll do it.

02:52:01.000 But it was only because I was scared.

02:52:03.000 Like, I was like, what?

02:52:04.000 I felt this moment. 1.00

02:52:05.000 I just went, fuck it, I'll do it. 1.00

02:52:07.000 And too many people do way too much. 0.99

02:52:10.000 Like, I don't know, I got to talk to a bunch of people about it, or that's not for me, or why should I?

02:52:15.000 Which just starts saying yes to stuff.

02:52:18.000 You get a lot of experience out of that.

02:52:20.000 Especially while you're young and you don't have any obligations.

02:52:23.000 Because once those obligations saddle you down, you got a mortgage and you got a family and you got obligations and social commitments. 0.99

02:52:30.000 You don't have that kind of ability to just go fuck it. 0.99

02:52:33.000 No, you're right. 1.00

02:52:34.000 Like my whole time I was a carpenter, I remember guys pulling up in new trucks and I'm driving a piece of shit beater and they're like, Adam, why don't you go down to Galpin Ford and get yourself a new truck? 0.81

02:52:44.000 And I'm like, because then I'd have payments and then I'd have insurance and then I couldn't go to the groundlings at night and I'd have to take care of that and I couldn't work on this. 0.70

02:52:55.000 And I felt the same way with kids and the same way with everything.

02:52:59.000 Like I got to get this going before I get weighed down with monthly payments and mortgages and mouths to feed.

02:53:08.000 Yeah.

02:53:09.000 Yeah, that's a really important message to young people because they think they're going to be young forever.

02:53:13.000 Like, boy, before you start a family, get something going.

02:53:17.000 Just like take your chances.

02:53:18.000 Now, when you're young and free, it's like, God, it's an amazing opportunity.

02:53:23.000 You know, the whole world is ahead of you.

02:53:25.000 Things can change so quickly if you work hard and you find a lane and you really throw yourself into it.

02:53:30.000 But if you don't, time goes by quick.

02:53:33.000 And next thing you know, you're 30.

02:53:35.000 Next thing you know, you're 35.

02:53:36.000 And like, I'm going to get together this year.

02:53:39.000 And you never do.

02:53:41.000 Yeah, you got to make hay while the sun shines.

02:53:45.000 And with that, Adam Carolla, ladies and gentlemen.

02:53:47.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:53:48.000 Thank you, brother.

02:53:49.000 It was fun.

02:53:49.000 Let's do it again.

02:53:51.000 All right.

02:53:51.000 Real soon.

02:53:52.000 Yeah, you guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 14, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2412 - Adam Carolla

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