The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2416 - Dan Farah

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00:00:14.000 What's up, Dan?

00:00:14.000 How are you?

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:15.000 Good.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:17.000 First time I saw you was the first time I saw your documentary, which is fucking excellent.

00:00:21.000 Thank you, bro.

00:00:22.000 The Age of Disclosure, really good.

00:00:24.000 Can't recommend it enough.

00:00:26.000 If you're a UFO dork like myself and you're in and out, like sometimes like, this is bullshit.

00:00:31.000 Maybe it's real.

00:00:32.000 This is bullshit.

00:00:33.000 Maybe I'm wasting my time.

00:00:34.000 Maybe it's real.

00:00:35.000 Maybe it's go see the age of disclosure.

00:00:37.000 And then you'll be fully in the I don't fucking know, but who something's going on.

00:00:42.000 That's where I am right now.

00:00:43.000 I don't know, but something's going on.

00:00:46.000 It's a real situation.

00:00:46.000 Definitely something going on.

00:00:48.000 Yeah, it's a real weird one when you see all these like high-level government employees talking about secret access programs and back engineering programs that have been going on for decades and decades in secrecy.

00:01:00.000 And you're like, your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple of reasons why I always, when people are skeptical and they go, okay, if there was a program like this, why wouldn't they just tell us?

00:01:13.000 You have to really understand the consequences of what they've done.

00:01:17.000 Because what they've done is lied to Congress for a long time.

00:01:20.000 It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies.

00:01:25.000 Lie to the public, lie to Congress, lied to sitting presidents.

00:01:27.000 Just the money stuff.

00:01:29.000 And also, let's just be really, let's be just honest about human nature.

00:01:34.000 If you have complete access to enormous amounts of money that's not under any oversight at all, for sure.

00:01:44.000 Some of it, some of it went in the pockets of people that probably shouldn't have got it.

00:01:48.000 100%.

00:01:49.000 I think it's safe to say.

00:01:50.000 100%.

00:01:51.000 It has to be.

00:01:52.000 Everyone I've talked to who's aware of the details of the Deeply Hidden Legacy program says that it's at least over a trillion dollars spent since the 40s.

00:01:59.000 Oh my God.

00:02:00.000 It's an enormous amount of money.

00:02:02.000 And it's a much bigger program than people would suspect.

00:02:05.000 You're seeing thousands of people full-time jobs, then going home to their families.

00:02:09.000 The guy sitting next to your kids' Little League baseball game.

00:02:12.000 You know, normal people on the outside are involved in this deeply hidden program.

00:02:16.000 It's bonkers.

00:02:17.000 And the idea, this is another thing that drives me nuts.

00:02:19.000 The idea that people can't keep secrets, shut the fuck up.

00:02:23.000 Yes, they can.

00:02:24.000 If you're told you're afraid of it.

00:02:25.000 Some people, some people can't keep secrets.

00:02:28.000 But by the time you get to be a high-level operative in the United States government, I'm guessing you can keep a fucking secret.

00:02:34.000 Yeah.

00:02:35.000 And if you're told, hey, you could disappear one day or you can have your reputation ruined.

00:02:40.000 Right.

00:02:40.000 You're going to get blackmailed about this or that.

00:02:42.000 You're just going to keep quiet.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, people can keep secrets.

00:02:45.000 And by the way, not everybody does.

00:02:48.000 The Bob Lazar story to this day is like that documentary by Jeremy Corbel was the reason why I went all the way back in with UFOs.

00:02:57.000 I'm like, all right, goddammit.

00:02:58.000 I believe Bob.

00:02:59.000 It's a great talk.

00:03:02.000 And that one's available.

00:03:03.000 It's Bob Lazar, Area 51, and Flying Saucers.

00:03:06.000 Is that the name of it, the title of it?

00:03:08.000 Something along those lines?

00:03:09.000 Fantastic documentary.

00:03:10.000 For me, look, my childhood was the 80s and early 90s.

00:03:13.000 I grew up on movies like E.T. and Close Encounters and TV shows like X-Files and movies like Fire in the Sky.

00:03:18.000 Remember that movie?

00:03:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:20.000 I had Travis in here.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, you did.

00:03:22.000 Fantastic.

00:03:22.000 I love that interview.

00:03:24.000 That movie gave me nightmares.

00:03:25.000 Crazy.

00:03:26.000 It kept me up as a kid.

00:03:27.000 A couple of those guys on that crew hated him.

00:03:29.000 Like, one of them he got in a fist fight with that day.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 And that guy had the exact same story that everybody else had.

00:03:34.000 He got hit by a beam of light.

00:03:36.000 They went back to get him.

00:03:37.000 He was gone.

00:03:38.000 Then five days later, he shows up.

00:03:41.000 He's not malnourished.

00:03:43.000 He's not like, he hasn't been sleeping in the woods.

00:03:45.000 It's crazy.

00:03:46.000 And he's got this fucking insane story about being repaired on a UFO.

00:03:50.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 And all those guys pass lie detectors.

00:03:52.000 All of them did.

00:03:52.000 Yes.

00:03:53.000 The, you know, like movies like that, I'm sure for millions of people around the world, same thing.

00:03:57.000 It just made me curious about this, you know?

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 My whole life, I'm like, are we alone in the universe?

00:04:02.000 Does the U.S. government know more about this than we do, right?

00:04:05.000 And I always wish that there was a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic as a result of work for the government.

00:04:12.000 And that was the real drive of making this film.

00:04:14.000 Everybody fits that criteria.

00:04:16.000 Here's the fear that everyone has, including myself.

00:04:18.000 And this is the main fear that I have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower.

00:04:25.000 How many of them are on purpose, that their directive, that their objective is to spread misinformation on purpose, on behalf of the government?

00:04:36.000 That they're there to just bullshit you.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, of course I had that thought.

00:04:40.000 But for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met one intelligence official, government official, military official after another, who had completely different ideological views, different political beliefs.

00:04:55.000 They weren't associated with each other, and they were all saying the same thing.

00:04:59.000 And so I just don't.

00:05:01.000 The alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups with different aspirations all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie.

00:05:19.000 And for what end?

00:05:21.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:05:22.000 There is a couple ends, right?

00:05:24.000 One of them could be they're being told to do this because this is a real thing, but it's different than what they're saying.

00:05:32.000 And they're trying to get one narrative out there.

00:05:36.000 Well.

00:05:37.000 Right, let's imagine that there's a current coordinated effort with the United States government and some sort of alien intelligence.

00:05:47.000 Wouldn't it behoove you to make it more of a mystery?

00:05:50.000 Like, we've been trying.

00:05:52.000 We have found things, but we don't know what they are.

00:05:54.000 We're back engineering, but we don't know much.

00:05:56.000 Meanwhile, they know way more.

00:05:58.000 Well, yeah, look.

00:05:59.000 Like, that's just one scenario.

00:06:00.000 That could be a scenario.

00:06:01.000 But in this case, you have the people like Rubio who found out what's going on, who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts.

00:06:12.000 His biggest fear, clearly, is we are in a high-stakes technology race, a Cold War race with adversarial nations like China to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin.

00:06:23.000 And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're going to wake up one day.

00:06:30.000 We're going to find out the hard way that China got there.

00:06:32.000 We won't know when or how, but to quote him, we will be screwed.

00:06:35.000 And you could feel it.

00:06:36.000 Like I did all the interviews myself.

00:06:38.000 I'm like this close to him.

00:06:39.000 His chin buckled when he said it.

00:06:41.000 He was dead serious and he was super concerned and you could feel it.

00:06:44.000 And that was the vibe with Senator Rounds, Senator Gillibrand, Jim Clapper.

00:06:49.000 Guy's never talked about this topic in his life.

00:06:51.000 He's in his 80s.

00:06:52.000 He was the head of Air Force Intelligence.

00:06:54.000 He was the director of national intelligence.

00:06:56.000 Never publicly spoken about UAP.

00:06:58.000 He goes on, he comes out and does the interview and he told me, excuse me, he told me that he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know.

00:07:07.000 And he drops the bomb in the film that UAP activity over AF1 is real.

00:07:11.000 It's in fact real.

00:07:13.000 And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff, whereas the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program since Project Blue Book.

00:07:21.000 So I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest.

00:07:28.000 And to give you more context on Clapper, the poor guy's wife was in the hospital dying.

00:07:32.000 He left the hospital to come do the interview.

00:07:35.000 And I actually said to him, I was like, are you sure you want to do this today?

00:07:37.000 And he's like, no, I want to do it.

00:07:38.000 It's important.

00:07:39.000 So, like, I think I really felt it.

00:07:39.000 Wow.

00:07:43.000 These people all felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose.

00:07:48.000 To me, the more wild thing is if this is if what they reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an 80-year cover-up of non-human intelligent life, that we're in a secret high-stakes race with adversarial nations, if that's what they can lawfully disclose, dude, what's on the other side of that line?

00:08:01.000 Right.

00:08:02.000 What's the stuff they can't disclose?

00:08:03.000 Right.

00:08:03.000 You know?

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 When you're talking to these people, how many of them have had personal experiences that they either can or cannot talk about?

00:08:15.000 How many of them has anyone had some sort of personal experience with either a craft or seen something?

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 So that they couldn't talk about?

00:08:26.000 There were some scenarios that they couldn't talk about, and then there were some scenarios they could talk about.

00:08:33.000 But yes, Jay Stratton, for example, who ran the U.S. government's UAP Task Force, he was the director of the UAP Task Force.

00:08:40.000 He co-founded OSAP with Jim Lukatsky, which grew into ATIP.

00:08:45.000 He has seen with his own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings.

00:08:52.000 Some situations that he can't talk about, some situations that he can.

00:08:56.000 And I know he intends to talk about those in the very near future.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, I've talked to him.

00:09:04.000 So is that the only one that saw a non-human being that you talked to?

00:09:10.000 No.

00:09:11.000 Talked to a couple people who have.

00:09:13.000 And were they similar stories?

00:09:15.000 They were similar stories.

00:09:18.000 They described the beings looking, the reference point they gave me was very similar to the beings depicted in close encounters.

00:09:30.000 That is the description they used.

00:09:31.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 In terms of crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I'm really proud of, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vanderburg Air Force Base, who's never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size of a football field that came over Vanderburg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour.

00:10:02.000 And he went on the record on camera.

00:10:04.000 He's never talked about it publicly.

00:10:06.000 He's never pursued press or, you know, tried to do anything with this experience.

00:10:10.000 Right.

00:10:11.000 And he broke his silence in this film because he thought it was really important that the world know the truth.

00:10:15.000 Did you ask him if there's any footage?

00:10:16.000 I would imagine Vanderburg has some pretty tight security.

00:10:19.000 Yeah, he thinks that there is security camera footage of this.

00:10:24.000 But he's never seen it.

00:10:25.000 He's never seen it now.

00:10:26.000 Good lord, people.

00:10:27.000 It was him and five other guys saw it with their own eyes.

00:10:29.000 They all reported it.

00:10:30.000 There's official Air Force Police blogger reports of it.

00:10:34.000 I got a hold of the police report.

00:10:37.000 We put it on screen in the film.

00:10:38.000 That's what drives me crazy.

00:10:39.000 All this could be cleared up if they released whatever high-resolution security camera footage they have.

00:10:44.000 I would imagine they have top-dotch security camera footage around major military facilities.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 Right?

00:10:52.000 That's one of the hurdles we have to get past.

00:10:53.000 We have to.

00:10:54.000 These motherfuckers are holding on. 1.00

00:10:55.000 They've got to fucking. 0.77

00:10:57.000 It's just like, that shouldn't be yours.

00:10:59.000 Like, that should be the United States government has an obligation to give that to the people of the world.

00:11:05.000 That's what that should be.

00:11:06.000 If you have footage of a fucking UFO, a real one, and you really have a video of it going thousands of miles an hour, just disappearing into the sky.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:11:15.000 I mean, I don't think any government or organization or religion, anyone should be able to gatekeep these fundamental facts, you know?

00:11:22.000 I know, but the problem is until you see it, it's just talk.

00:11:25.000 You know, if you saw it and you know that you know the chain of command, like where it came from, or a chain of custody, rather, where it came from, it hasn't been molested, have analysts tested, it's not AI, it's not bullshit, it's not edited.

00:11:39.000 Okay, what is it?

00:11:40.000 And then we can talk.

00:11:40.000 Yeah.

00:11:42.000 But until then, like, what do we have?

00:11:43.000 We have the GoFast footage, we have the gimbal footage, and we have the very kind of grainy, weird TikTok footage.

00:11:51.000 It's hard to tell what it is because you're looking at it from the instrumentation of the fighter jets.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, but there is also other, there is also other data on the TikTok incident that's classified that shows this is a real object that was really there.

00:12:06.000 Jamie, show me something.

00:12:07.000 What do you show me, Jimmy?

00:12:08.000 This is Ryan Graves talking about the big red UFO that hovered over Vandenberg in 2003.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, so that happened in the afternoon, and then that night, this giant craft came over the base that is revealed in my film.

00:12:23.000 It says right here, the executive director of Graves, who's been on the podcast for a while.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, Ryan Graves is awesome.

00:12:29.000 Sighting occurred around 8.45 a.m., followed by a second sighting only hours later.

00:12:34.000 He said witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto official documentation and records from the event over the years.

00:12:42.000 And so later that night, there was a year later in the evening post-sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:50.000 These objects were approaching some of the security guards at rapid speeds before darting off.

00:12:56.000 Like close encounters.

00:12:58.000 Like literally like the movie.

00:12:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:00.000 I just wonder how much Steven Spielberg, I'd love to talk to him about that.

00:13:03.000 How much he dove into it before he made that film because he had the Jacques Valley character, that French scientist.

00:13:10.000 I think he learned a lot in the 70s.

00:13:11.000 People forget he also wrote Poltergeist.

00:13:13.000 Right.

00:13:14.000 This guy knew what was going on early on.

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 But put yourself in the shoes of those security guards at Vanderburg.

00:13:21.000 Can you imagine just being a normal guy?

00:13:23.000 You're working your security shift.

00:13:24.000 You look up and there's something the size of a football field over you.

00:13:27.000 Hovering with no windows.

00:13:29.000 It's fucking terrifying.

00:13:30.000 And it's crazy.

00:13:32.000 And he says, you know, we did a New York City premiere a couple nights ago, Tuesday night.

00:13:36.000 We did it on the Intrepid Aircraft Carrier.

00:13:38.000 It was awesome.

00:13:38.000 Oh, wow.

00:13:39.000 And Fraver and Graves came.

00:13:40.000 It was great to be on an aircraft carrier with Fraver and Graves.

00:13:43.000 That's awesome.

00:13:44.000 Fraver loved it.

00:13:45.000 He's like, I'm back on a carrier, baby.

00:13:48.000 It was classic.

00:13:49.000 But the witness from Vanderburgh came, and we did a little talk after for the audience, and he said it changed his life.

00:13:57.000 He just completely looks at everything differently.

00:13:59.000 Oh, how could it not?

00:14:00.000 How could it not?

00:14:01.000 Yeah, I mean, if you see something like that.

00:14:02.000 Totally humbling and also, you know, eye-opening.

00:14:07.000 There's several people in the film, military guys, who talk about what they experienced and saw on military bases, especially nuclear bases.

00:14:18.000 Which goes back to one of the biggest concerns the leaders in my film have.

00:14:24.000 Almost all the activities over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases.

00:14:29.000 Our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored.

00:14:36.000 And why is that?

00:14:38.000 Because it's dangerous as fuck.

00:14:40.000 Because as Terrence McKenna described us, we're territorial apes with phylonuclear weapons.

00:14:45.000 It's a ridiculous position.

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, and so that's clear to me, too.

00:14:50.000 And then you think about, okay, well, where does all this go?

00:14:53.000 Comes to a crossroads, right?

00:14:55.000 Like, they've been here a long time.

00:14:57.000 They've been monitoring us a long time, but now we've evolved to be dangerous.

00:15:01.000 And we're either at, through secret programs, their level, or we're about to be.

00:15:05.000 And then that's when you get to a crossroad.

00:15:07.000 So I think that's one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand and Jay Stratton to come out and say what they legally can because it's a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about.

00:15:22.000 And then it's become a humanitarian issue.

00:15:23.000 How do we deal with this?

00:15:24.000 Right.

00:15:25.000 And what is it?

00:15:26.000 What is their purpose?

00:15:26.000 Right?

00:15:28.000 If they are real, are they here to help us?

00:15:30.000 Are they monitoring us?

00:15:31.000 One of the creepiest things that Bob Bazar said is that they look at us like containers.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 And I was like, what does that mean?

00:15:40.000 like containers of souls is what I interpreted from it, but that's just me.

00:15:45.000 But like, what does that mean?

00:15:46.000 Containers.

00:15:49.000 It seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology.

00:15:57.000 And that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe.

00:16:08.000 But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes. 0.98

00:16:13.000 You know, that's why we developed cities and that's why we developed agriculture and that's why we had enough free time to innovate.

00:16:20.000 We had enough free time to invent things and change things.

00:16:23.000 But our nature is really what holds us back because we're still constantly warring.

00:16:29.000 It hasn't changed at all.

00:16:30.000 No, it's crazy that we're still threatening nuclear war 80 years after dropping the bomb on Japan.

00:16:34.000 We're still invading sovereign nations.

00:16:36.000 We're involved in a proxy war.

00:16:38.000 We're helping Israel.

00:16:40.000 It's like there's so much chaos and death going on in the world because of human beings and the decisions that they're making that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned.

00:16:50.000 Yeah, I'd be like, here's this group of monkeys on a trajectory.

00:16:54.000 About to make a digital god.

00:16:55.000 They're real close to having super intelligence in digital form.

00:17:00.000 And these idiots are still blowing themselves up from the sky.

00:17:03.000 Which also is why one of the current dilemmas exists, right?

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 So this technology exists.

00:17:10.000 Private defense contractors have this technology.

00:17:12.000 Elements of the government have this technology.

00:17:14.000 You're convinced.

00:17:15.000 Beyond, beyond convinced.

00:17:17.000 And what do you think that technology consists of?

00:17:20.000 I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the 40s.

00:17:44.000 And there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology.

00:17:48.000 And the same thing has been happening in China and Russia.

00:17:51.000 And it's a very real situation.

00:17:53.000 It's a high-stakes situation.

00:17:54.000 It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids.

00:17:58.000 And I am completely convinced of that.

00:18:02.000 And the contractors that, the defense contractors that people like Jay Stratton and Luell Zondo and people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle, big companies that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology, but it's all so classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress.

00:18:29.000 And the fear that if this technology got out, it'd be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind.

00:18:41.000 Like this technology, to quote Hal Putoff in the film, he says, this is the key to interstellar travel.

00:18:48.000 This is the key to exploring the galaxy.

00:18:51.000 This is the key to things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and the trajectory of our species are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil, right?

00:19:08.000 And so, you know, I love how Putoff.

00:19:10.000 I gotten very close with him and he makes a really fascinating guy.

00:19:14.000 He's the most interesting person I've ever met in my life.

00:19:18.000 He makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used for bad, he believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid destruction.

00:19:37.000 And we've done that.

00:19:38.000 We have a blueprint for that with nuclear technology, right?

00:19:41.000 Like, there are nuclear weapons.

00:19:43.000 That stuff's classified.

00:19:44.000 We wish they didn't exist, but it does exist.

00:19:46.000 And then we also use nuclear energy for good.

00:19:50.000 Yeah.

00:19:51.000 The question would be: if we're holding back because we're worried that bad actors are going to get it, is China taking the same approach?

00:20:00.000 Because I would imagine they're not.

00:20:01.000 They're not.

00:20:02.000 I would imagine they're full bore, full steam ahead.

00:20:04.000 Yeah, and that's one of the problems.

00:20:07.000 That's the same thing with a lot of other technology, right?

00:20:09.000 Yeah.

00:20:10.000 Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand, three of the most senior leaders in our government, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on reverse engineering this technology.

00:20:24.000 Rubio says it keeps them up at night.

00:20:26.000 Rounds very animatedly says in the film: Do you think for one second that they wouldn't use this technology for their domination if they didn't think we had access to the same technology?

00:20:41.000 How is everybody getting these crashed UFOs?

00:20:43.000 What's the story behind that?

00:20:44.000 So here's an interesting thing.

00:20:48.000 One of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like real credible people, is that some of the crashes were actual crashes where just, you know, crashes happen, just like they do for, you know, you can drive as safe as possible, fly as safe as possible, crashes are going to happen.

00:21:05.000 But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community people.

00:21:16.000 So like one of the realizations early on was that atomic weapon test, nuclear weapon testing, atomic weapon testing has a ripple effect that can down these things.

00:21:30.000 Especially high altitude nuclear testing, which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s in particular.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, and so they started doing it to like shoot fish in a barrel basis.

00:21:39.000 They did it on purpose?

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 That's why they were doing it?

00:21:41.000 Yeah, and then Russia, Russia started doing it.

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 And then one of the things.

00:21:47.000 It's like throwing dynamite into the river.

00:21:48.000 It's like fishing with a dynamite.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, fishing with dynamite.

00:21:51.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:51.000 And then which is crazy on multiple levels.

00:21:54.000 A, you could accidentally provoke a nuclear conflict with another party that doesn't know what you're doing.

00:21:59.000 B, you're picking a fight with a more intelligent, superior species, right?

00:22:08.000 Which is probably not going to work out great for anybody.

00:22:11.000 They probably couldn't believe we were using nukes in the sky.

00:22:14.000 These fucking idiots nuked some of our spaceships. 1.00

00:22:17.000 And the ocean.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, we nuked the ocean a ton of times.

00:22:20.000 And there's a ton of UAP activity in the ocean.

00:22:22.000 That's something that Tim Burchett recently talked about.

00:22:22.000 Right.

00:22:26.000 Did you see that?

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 I mean, I've talked off the record with admirals and sub-commanders and been told that these giant football-sized crafts that were seen over Vanderburg, for example, have been seen under the ocean.

00:22:39.000 Whoa.

00:22:40.000 Moving at crazy speeds, tracked by our subs.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, they said there was one story of one that was the size of a football field that was going 500 knots underwater with no ripples.

00:22:50.000 Yeah.

00:22:51.000 So it starts to make you think, like, not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but maybe James Cameron was too.

00:22:56.000 Maybe the Abyss is a lot closer to reality than we ever thought.

00:22:59.000 Well, there's always stories about things coming from the ocean.

00:23:02.000 And there was always stories of people that lived in the Pacific, like on the coast, of seeing things come out of the ocean, particularly somewhere around San Diego.

00:23:10.000 There's always stories around the world.

00:23:11.000 There's a lot of spot there.

00:23:12.000 Congressman Carson, Andre Carson, who's on the House Intelligence Committee and on the House committee for the CIA, he goes on the record in the film saying that these UAP that come out of the ocean are otherworldly things.

00:23:27.000 He says they are not man-made aircraft.

00:23:29.000 They are not rockets.

00:23:32.000 These are otherworldly things, he says.

00:23:34.000 And that's a significant, that was a significant moment for me when he went on the record and said that.

00:23:38.000 And I think it's going back to the nuclear stuff, it's scary to think that anyone thought it was a good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a more intelligent species.

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 It seems like a very foolish decision.

00:23:56.000 Well, if that's true.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:57.000 I know that there was a lot of high-altitude nuclear bomb testing for whatever reason.

00:24:02.000 And there was that Operation Midnight Prime.

00:24:04.000 Is that what it was?

00:24:06.000 No.

00:24:07.000 Starfish Prime, where they were blowing holes through the Van Allen radiation belts.

00:24:11.000 They were just launching nuclear bombs into space.

00:24:14.000 Well, I'll tell you something that I don't think people know about, but the UAP Task Force, which Jay Stratton ran, they put in place, based on that data of the connection with nukes, they put together a plan to lure in UAP with nuclear elements, so nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it.

00:24:39.000 And they had all these data collection systems in place, and it worked.

00:24:44.000 Whoa.

00:24:44.000 So they like put out bait.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, without causing, without doing a test.

00:24:50.000 Just the fact that they had nuclear weapons.

00:24:52.000 It was existed and was being put in a place, it attracted, and they caught a lot of data on it.

00:24:58.000 Whoa.

00:24:59.000 And, you know, we shouldn't think that that was the only time they did that.

00:25:02.000 Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid shit we did in the ocean, the fact that, like, we were talking about this last night.

00:25:11.000 John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan.

00:25:15.000 I don't know if you ever saw it.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

00:25:16.000 It's one of the worst movies of all time.

00:25:18.000 And that's what killed him.

00:25:19.000 That movie killed him.

00:25:20.000 He got cancer from that movie.

00:25:21.000 And so did almost, like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set.

00:25:25.000 Some very large number of people on the set got cancer because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs.

00:25:33.000 They filmed it all in Nevada in the desert.

00:25:35.000 Horrible.

00:25:36.000 Horrible.

00:25:37.000 So like they blew up.

00:25:39.000 I'm sure you've seen the video of the, where it shows like a time lapse of all the nuclear tests over the years.

00:25:44.000 And you just go, yo, what are you doing?

00:25:48.000 What are you doing in Nevada?

00:25:49.000 Nevada just boom, And if I was from another planet, I'd be like, that's when I would start going, oh, my God, these idiots, not only do they have it, but they're just blowing them up in the ocean.

00:26:01.000 No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there when they drop that thing down.

00:26:08.000 Like they're clearly irresponsible.

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:11.000 No, it's concerning.

00:26:12.000 An analogy that multiple people actually used with me.

00:26:15.000 They said, put yourself in the shoes of an advanced non-human intelligent species.

00:26:19.000 Here's the analogy.

00:26:20.000 Imagine you're a zookeeper and you see this gorilla in a cage and you love this gorilla.

00:26:26.000 It's sweet.

00:26:27.000 You watch it evolve over the years.

00:26:29.000 You see it communicate.

00:26:30.000 It waves to you.

00:26:32.000 You have no issue with this gorilla.

00:26:33.000 You don't wish it any harm.

00:26:35.000 But what happens if one day you come in and the other security guards say, hey, last night the gorilla got out of his cage, walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went back in his cage.

00:26:45.000 You're like, all right, that's concerning.

00:26:46.000 Let me keep an eye on this, right?

00:26:49.000 And then what happens if a month later you come in and they're like, hey, the gorilla, this time he got in the gun cage.

00:26:55.000 He was playing with the gun and then he went back in his cage with the gun.

00:27:00.000 What do we do here, right?

00:27:01.000 That's even worse than that.

00:27:02.000 So it's like, we'll take the gun out of his hand, we'll put it back, we'll change the lock and all stuff, right?

00:27:06.000 But then what happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later you come out of your house on a Sunday, you're not even going to work, you got your daughter's hand in your hand, and the gorilla is standing on your front lawn with a shotgun.

00:27:15.000 Then you've got to make a choice really quick, right?

00:27:17.000 Like, do I just take this thing out or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot?

00:27:23.000 And this analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation we're barreling towards.

00:27:31.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 It would almost be like you went to the cage and the grill was welding.

00:27:34.000 The grill's got gums on.

00:27:36.000 He's making a board.

00:27:37.000 He's putting together a shotgun.

00:27:39.000 He's figuring out dynamite on it.

00:27:41.000 He's cleaning his.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, that would be the real issue.

00:27:43.000 Like, oh my God, they figured out guns.

00:27:46.000 Because the thing is, we figured it out.

00:27:47.000 It's not like somebody gave it to us.

00:27:49.000 You know, look, a couple of people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life, but some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program, the legacy program, and some from adversaries.

00:28:02.000 So I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize.

00:28:08.000 I don't think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress.

00:28:18.000 Yeah, God, I would love to know what it is that they've done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.

00:28:24.000 I don't think it is.

00:28:25.000 No?

00:28:25.000 No.

00:28:26.000 I talked to everybody who actually ran the investigation of the Tic Tac from various agencies and to the pilots.

00:28:33.000 No one thinks it's man-made.

00:28:34.000 And also, if it was man-made, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like, what, 20 years at this point, right?

00:28:46.000 And has never used it to benefit our country or another country, to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we've seen used.

00:28:57.000 It's just hard to believe that no one would use that to fuel their economy.

00:29:01.000 I mean, it'd be like a total restart of everything if you had that technology.

00:29:07.000 Right.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, that's interesting, right?

00:29:10.000 I mean, the craft, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is space, and hovering in space, going back down, hovering at sea level, and doing this for hours.

00:29:24.000 We don't have anything.

00:29:25.000 One of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, you said, a week, some stupid amount of energy required.

00:29:41.000 I think it's even more than a week, but yeah, I remember him saying that.

00:29:44.000 It's bonkers.

00:29:45.000 No, it's human technology.

00:29:46.000 It's a trip up.

00:29:47.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.000 Yeah.

00:29:48.000 And they were doing that all day.

00:29:50.000 All day.

00:29:50.000 Yeah.

00:29:51.000 It's crazy.

00:29:53.000 Right.

00:29:53.000 If they had that in 2004, which is the Tic Tac incident, you would think there would be some just insane progress.

00:29:59.000 Yeah.

00:30:00.000 So if it's not ours, what is the predominant theory of what they are?

00:30:08.000 The predominant theory is that they is multiple species.

00:30:13.000 And there's no one answer.

00:30:14.000 Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different.

00:30:23.000 There are multiple species.

00:30:25.000 The universe is full of life.

00:30:26.000 How many different species?

00:30:28.000 I've heard of at least four body types that were recovered.

00:30:30.000 So all I've heard of is the grays, which is like the close encounters of the third kind ones. 1.00

00:30:36.000 The Nordics, which is also known as the tall whites, right?

00:30:40.000 The same thing.

00:30:41.000 I've heard people say.

00:30:42.000 And then there is the reptilians.

00:30:45.000 People talk about reptilians being the scariest one.

00:30:47.000 No one's ever used that word with me, to be honest.

00:30:48.000 Really?

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 And then there's mantis.

00:30:51.000 There's ones that are like insect-like.

00:30:54.000 I've heard people say that, yeah.

00:30:55.000 I haven't heard of any more than that.

00:30:57.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 Well, I've also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like E.T. little bots that don't don't seem sentient, that seem like they're they're almost like like a robot.

00:31:16.000 Yeah, like a robot almost.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 Some artificial creation.

00:31:19.000 Maybe.

00:31:20.000 Maybe.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 I would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this genetic engineering, you're going to be able to create workers.

00:31:33.000 That's what many people have thought the grays are.

00:31:35.000 There's small grays that are, they're more in like a workforce capacity. 1.00

00:31:40.000 I've heard that.

00:31:40.000 They just do the bidding of the taller grays, which seem to be more intelligent.

00:31:44.000 I've heard that.

00:31:45.000 You know, one of the really interesting things is that there's no one answer, right?

00:31:51.000 Some non-human intelligent life that's here might have benign intentions and some might have bad intentions.

00:31:58.000 We don't know.

00:31:58.000 Right.

00:32:01.000 The other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level.

00:32:12.000 Like I got very close with the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.

00:32:19.000 They were introducing me to people.

00:32:20.000 They were opening doors for me.

00:32:22.000 And some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and were going to do interviews and then ultimately decided not to and that they thought they thought it would cost them their lives.

00:32:38.000 Two people used the same words with me actually.

00:32:40.000 It was very interesting.

00:32:41.000 Two people used the words after careful consideration.

00:32:47.000 I've decided I would be forfeiting my life if I participated on camera in your film.

00:32:51.000 The word forfeiting, which I had never heard anyone use in that kind of a context, right?

00:32:55.000 So put yourself in my shoes.

00:32:56.000 Like, I'm a normal guy from Jersey making a movie about something I'm interested in.

00:33:00.000 The last thing I want to hear is something like that, you know?

00:33:03.000 So that's the most sure way to get people to keep secrets.

00:33:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:07.000 So I, of course, was like, that's shocking and disappointing to hear.

00:33:12.000 Obviously, we should stop talking.

00:33:15.000 I don't want you in this movie.

00:33:17.000 Do not want that on my conscience.

00:33:19.000 But it also was another sign how real all this is.

00:33:24.000 Without naming any names, is there anything that you couldn't talk about in the film that you could tell us?

00:33:30.000 Without quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody?

00:33:34.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I learned off the record.

00:33:39.000 Hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point.

00:33:43.000 Can you tell me that I know there's been multiple contact events, like straight-up native content?

00:33:49.000 Yeah, like straight-up contact events.

00:33:51.000 One of them is revealed in the film, actually, but there are more.

00:33:54.000 There was this several people in my film talk about an event that happened at Helleman Air Force Base where two non-human crafts approached the base, one landed, beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials.

00:34:08.000 And a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film.

00:34:10.000 But there have been other events I've been told.

00:34:12.000 How are those beings described?

00:34:14.000 They were described as tall, slender, humanoid.

00:34:19.000 And another thing that I heard that gave me chills was that someone involved with a recovery interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said, you humans don't know your full potential.

00:34:44.000 And that was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community.

00:34:50.000 And I thought that was pretty incredible.

00:34:55.000 Also, just the extent to which the legacy program is real.

00:34:58.000 It's not, this isn't like 50 guys sitting in a quiet, dark room.

00:35:02.000 You're talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this.

00:35:09.000 And to me, that is mind-blowing.

00:35:14.000 The guy next to you at the pizza place on a Saturday night might be working on this during the day.

00:35:18.000 The guy who, you know, the other father at your kid's like, you know, little league game.

00:35:22.000 Yeah.

00:35:23.000 This is what he deals with, right?

00:35:24.000 The fact that that is a thing.

00:35:25.000 And, you know, we had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project.

00:35:29.000 There were always people working on it, and they kept it secret, right?

00:35:32.000 And their neighbors and friends didn't know, but this is that on steroids.

00:35:35.000 You know, after the Manhattan Project, which had a budget in the billions, this situation arose, and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project because the Manhattan Project we found out in hindsight leaked, right?

00:35:45.000 There were moles.

00:35:47.000 So we needed to make this even more secret and give it more money and more resources and more counterintel.

00:35:54.000 And more threats.

00:35:55.000 Which is counter-intel, yeah.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, I mean, threats if you reveal those secrets.

00:36:00.000 But it's like more, the more this stuff gets discussed, the more I go back to what Lazar said.

00:36:07.000 Because what Lazar is describing from the 1980s is exactly what these people are saying now.

00:36:15.000 They've had these things.

00:36:16.000 They've been trying to figure them out.

00:36:17.000 They've been working on them.

00:36:18.000 At least in the 1980s, they hadn't totally cracked it yet.

00:36:21.000 But they did know how to operate them and that they would do these tests.

00:36:25.000 But everything was so compartmentalized.

00:36:27.000 He said he wasn't allowed to talk to the metallurgists.

00:36:32.000 There was different people that were assigned to it.

00:36:35.000 What they were assigned to do was to try to figure out how the propulsion system worked.

00:36:40.000 And then there was other people that were assigned to try to figure out how the metallurgy was formed.

00:36:45.000 Because whatever it was seemed like it was 3D printed.

00:36:47.000 It didn't have any seams.

00:36:49.000 And when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas.

00:36:58.000 Because this is late 1980s, and he's the first guy to crack through with this stuff.

00:37:03.000 Everything is so, in that secret program, everything is so siloed out where you could have one team of defense contractors working on one thing.

00:37:10.000 They're not even told it's from an alien spacecraft.

00:37:12.000 They're just told, here's the thing.

00:37:13.000 It might be Russia, it might be China.

00:37:15.000 Tell us how it works.

00:37:16.000 And they're just kept in a little bubble.

00:37:20.000 And one of the issues now is that everything's become so overclassified and so siloed that it's actually hurting progress.

00:37:30.000 And that's a lot of the scientists in my film are voicing that.

00:37:33.000 And one of the other things I learned recently that isn't in the film, Jay Stratton, who ran the UAP Task Force, he told me that during that time, he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed, who was frustrated by how overclassified everything was.

00:37:54.000 It even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it because not everyone can be cleared to do the work, right?

00:38:05.000 There's all these red tape hurdles to progress, right?

00:38:07.000 And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the UAP task force.

00:38:17.000 And then the task force was going to be able to put more brain power towards it.

00:38:21.000 And then the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer.

00:38:27.000 They had actually secured a hangar on a military base and prepped it to be a classified hangar that would hold this craft.

00:38:35.000 And they were stopped.

00:38:37.000 So the issue of overclassification.

00:38:38.000 Did you know what happened after that?

00:38:40.000 Yeah, just the CIA shut the whole transaction down and the craft stayed in Lockheed's possession.

00:38:47.000 And then that particular leader within Lockheed died about two years later.

00:38:53.000 So the effort kind of stopped.

00:38:55.000 He had cancer.

00:38:58.000 The overclassification is definitely a hurdle for this.

00:39:03.000 And our competitors don't necessarily have that.

00:39:05.000 There's no free will in China. 0.98

00:39:07.000 She can just be like, hey, you're the smartest guy graduating your class.

00:39:10.000 You're going to go work for the nation on this.

00:39:12.000 And here, the problem is no one knows it's real.

00:39:15.000 One of the things I hope the film changes is it makes the scientific community know that this is a valid area of inquiry.

00:39:20.000 This is real.

00:39:21.000 It's a real situation.

00:39:23.000 And there's a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve, you know?

00:39:30.000 And so hopefully it inspires them and helps us make progress because there's a lot of progress that could be made here.

00:39:37.000 Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think maybe the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe stolen a little bit here and there.

00:39:54.000 Like if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public.

00:40:00.000 No one's going to push for like actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed.

00:40:05.000 And if they do have the kind of power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don't want to let that go.

00:40:16.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.000 Like this is like it's a honeypot that they're drawing from, right?

00:40:20.000 And they're probably still taking too much or there's no oversight.

00:40:26.000 You're still lying to Congress.

00:40:27.000 And you'd have to, you'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, look, in the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this.

00:40:40.000 The only way we're ever going to really do that is to completely reveal that this is actual, really, this is actually really happening.

00:40:50.000 This is real crafts from somewhere or something.

00:40:54.000 We have them.

00:40:55.000 We'll tell you where we have them.

00:40:56.000 And let's, I think right now, people wouldn't even freak out because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure.

00:41:06.000 But that's sort of been breached, right?

00:41:08.000 The New York Times breached that in 2017.

00:41:11.000 I think this film is that.

00:41:11.000 I mean, there's this.

00:41:12.000 This film is for incredible people putting their reputation and name on the line, which I honestly, Joe, I think it's more, it's stronger evidence than any video or photo.

00:41:21.000 These days, you could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vanderburg and half the human population will say it's AI or creating some visual effects program.

00:41:29.000 But someone of note, putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line to say this is what I know to be true, to me, that's the greatest evidence that exists.

00:41:42.000 But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that's going to have to be figured out because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right?

00:41:57.000 It does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture.

00:42:01.000 100%.

00:42:01.000 Because these people just aren't going to, they have no incentive to come forward with what they've learned.

00:42:06.000 And so to quote Ruby on the film, he says, look, this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned.

00:42:14.000 And I think he's totally dead on.

00:42:17.000 Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well?

00:42:20.000 Yeah, he says on camera in the film, he's like, I'm not trying to punish anyone.

00:42:24.000 I need to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this, and it's in our interest to know what's going on.

00:42:30.000 But the other thing that's needed is real whistleblower protection, not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far, like much stronger legal protection so that people like, you know, like the folks I talked to, the special forces guys I talked to, were going to come forward and then decided they thought to be forfeiting their lives.

00:42:51.000 You've got to change that set of circumstances.

00:42:53.000 You've got to make those people feel like that's not going to happen to them.

00:42:58.000 And what I think ultimately is going to have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe.

00:43:10.000 We have recovered technology of non-human origin.

00:43:13.000 So have other nations.

00:43:15.000 There is a high-stakes secret Cold War race to reverse engineer this technology.

00:43:19.000 We need to win this race, and the U.S. intends to lead in this new chapter.

00:43:22.000 I think that needs to happen, like a level set of basic facts.

00:43:26.000 And I really do think it will happen.

00:43:28.000 Well, if that is going to happen, I think Trump might be the only guy that's willing to do something.

00:43:32.000 I think so.

00:43:34.000 I think it's very likely that he does that.

00:43:37.000 I know that he is aware of the film.

00:43:39.000 I know he's aware of what people in his administration say.

00:43:42.000 Has he watched it?

00:43:43.000 You know that?

00:43:44.000 He has not watched the film, but I know he's very aware of it.

00:43:47.000 And I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly.

00:43:55.000 And I also know that he has recently, very recently, tasked Tulsi Gabbert with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know.

00:44:07.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 And as Rubio said in the film, Rubio says on camera, on the record on the film, that this has been kept from sitting presidents.

00:44:07.000 Really?

00:44:15.000 And he goes into detail on how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats at certain elements of the government that control this information and just wait presidents out and don't feel like they have a need to know.

00:44:29.000 Right.

00:44:29.000 Well, there were some people that tried to find information out in the beginning of the Trump administration.

00:44:34.000 Who was it?

00:44:35.000 There was someone that talked about it on record and said he was told at every turn that you don't have the clearance.

00:44:41.000 But here's the thing: Trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:52.000 What base facts?

00:44:53.000 So Jay Stratton, who ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that he briefed that Mnuchian, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing.

00:45:12.000 And Trump had already known that the base facts that we're not alone in the universe, that there's been recovery of crash craft, right?

00:45:22.000 He knew those base facts.

00:45:23.000 And he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public.

00:45:26.000 And so Mnuchian reached out to Stratton to get a briefing.

00:45:29.000 And he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is because he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world we're not alone.

00:45:39.000 Stratton tells the story on camera in the film.

00:45:42.000 And I've heard a lot more about it off camera.

00:45:44.000 So we know Trump contemplated doing this already.

00:45:47.000 Now I think the release of this film and Rubio's involvement puts enough on the table that it makes it easier for him to do.

00:45:58.000 I think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that, right?

00:46:02.000 Like the amnesty plan, the idea behind it would have to be in place if somebody or at least grab control of the situation and say that this is real and the U.S. intends to lead the way.

00:46:11.000 Because the other factor that the White House has to keep in mind is you don't want she or Putin being the guy to do that.

00:46:18.000 Right.

00:46:19.000 You don't want them to have that moment, right?

00:46:21.000 Right.

00:46:23.000 You know, something I always think about with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic, when we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that big famous speech, right?

00:46:31.000 He was like, we're going to lead in space.

00:46:34.000 Technology, like, you know, space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own.

00:46:39.000 It's up to man to use it for good or bad.

00:46:41.000 And we're going to make sure it's used for the betterment of all mankind.

00:46:44.000 And we're going to lead the way.

00:46:45.000 That was his whole rallying speech, right?

00:46:47.000 And it made the whole scientific community be like, we're going to help the U.S. win.

00:46:51.000 Like, you know, rah-rah-rah, right?

00:46:53.000 I think that's needed in this race.

00:46:56.000 Like, we need all the support of the scientific community, of academia, the kids coming out of MIT.

00:47:03.000 We need them putting their brainpower towards this.

00:47:05.000 And I think the White House knows that.

00:47:08.000 And it's also the greatest, that's the greatest TV moment a leader could have in the history of humanity.

00:47:13.000 Stepping to the microphone.

00:47:14.000 Do you think Elon knows?

00:47:17.000 Look, I've seen him obviously talk to you about it.

00:47:19.000 I think he knows a lot.

00:47:21.000 Yeah, me too.

00:47:22.000 I don't think you get the contracts and the clearances you need to operate in space without some horse trading.

00:47:29.000 Yeah, when I went to SpaceX, I'm like, motherfucker, you know everything.

00:47:34.000 There's no way you're launching these fucking things into space without them teeing you in on exactly what's going on.

00:47:41.000 He's just sly about it.

00:47:42.000 Well, I do.

00:47:43.000 Well, if they're all aliens, they're certainly all subtle.

00:47:46.000 That's what he says.

00:47:47.000 Are they really?

00:47:48.000 I don't know, man.

00:47:49.000 I think it's impossible to operate in space like he does and not be aware of everything.

00:47:53.000 And also at the level he operates clearance-wise.

00:47:57.000 I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry.

00:48:04.000 It's like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry.

00:48:07.000 We didn't promote it or publicize it at all, but there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there, and they all seem very aware of everything revealed in the film.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:17.000 I'm positive.

00:48:19.000 He's my friend, and he won't tell me.

00:48:21.000 He's a legend.

00:48:22.000 He keeps a lid on it.

00:48:23.000 He's a legend.

00:48:24.000 But how would he not know?

00:48:27.000 And, you know, some people have told me he knows that no, he knows them things.

00:48:31.000 So whatever.

00:48:33.000 But the point is, people are good at keeping secrets.

00:48:36.000 That's real.

00:48:37.000 100%.

00:48:38.000 Even people that aren't notoriously good at keeping secrets.

00:48:41.000 They're good at keeping secrets when they have to be.

00:48:43.000 Do you think if you put yourself, you've interviewed Trump.

00:48:46.000 Do you see him doing that?

00:48:48.000 Stepping to the mic and telling us the truth?

00:48:50.000 Someone talks to him about it and convinces him it's a great idea.

00:48:55.000 Like if I had an hour with him.

00:48:57.000 I mean, it's literally the opinion, the single greatest moment a leader could have.

00:49:03.000 Well, in the history of the world.

00:49:04.000 If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help with his legacy, too, which I think would be a good way to convince him.

00:49:12.000 And also that the people would be excited about it.

00:49:15.000 Yeah.

00:49:15.000 You know, it's just, I think there's probably a lot of forces that we're not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed.

00:49:25.000 You know, there's a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy.

00:49:29.000 A lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty, if there's any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, which I can't imagine there's not some fucking funny money flying around here and there.

00:49:45.000 And it just no oversight.

00:49:47.000 Come on, guys.

00:49:49.000 Like, oh, you're above board totally with no oversight at all?

00:49:53.000 And a trillion dollars?

00:49:54.000 Fuck off.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 I mean, I do think I've come to understand that he is borderline enraged at how much has been hidden from the White House.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 So that alone might motivate him to just step up and say the truth.

00:50:12.000 It's also the most bipartisan issue of our time.

00:50:14.000 So I'll talk to him about it.

00:50:15.000 Have support.

00:50:16.000 Yeah, you can make it.

00:50:17.000 I'll talk to him about it.

00:50:17.000 I'll give it a chance.

00:50:19.000 It's just so many other things to talk about.

00:50:21.000 Get a Nobel Peace Prize for that, Joe.

00:50:22.000 No, I don't want one of those.

00:50:23.000 I'll never show up.

00:50:24.000 Give it to me.

00:50:25.000 You can have an empty stage.

00:50:28.000 You know, I think I really, I'm excited to see what happens on the other side of this release because I think it's going to awaken the public.

00:50:35.000 I do think they're going to make a ton of demand on elected leaders and representatives to go take this more seriously.

00:50:41.000 And it's going to put pressure on the White House.

00:50:42.000 People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and say what he says in the film.

00:50:47.000 The only thing about Rubio, you got to remember, he's also the national security advisor.

00:50:50.000 And that's never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years.

00:50:54.000 This guy's in a very powerful position, very influential position, and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee as a senator.

00:51:02.000 Interesting.

00:51:03.000 And also motivated and fascinated by it.

00:51:06.000 So he's engaged in the information.

00:51:09.000 Totally.

00:51:13.000 What do you find, like what do you think if you could choose what happens after a movie like this comes out, what would you like to see?

00:51:22.000 Some mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty, because I think it's the only way to get to the bottom of things.

00:51:30.000 Because otherwise, I think you're going to have every fucking possible legal and hierarchical, hierarchical, whatever the word is, hurdle.

00:51:39.000 Like at every step, everyone's going to block your access to information.

00:51:43.000 They're going to lie.

00:51:44.000 They're going to burn records.

00:51:45.000 They're going to hide things.

00:51:46.000 They're not going to tell you where anything is.

00:51:48.000 People will get assassinated.

00:51:50.000 They'll be whistleblowers.

00:51:51.000 They'll be in grave danger.

00:51:53.000 I think there's too much money involved.

00:51:55.000 And you've got to think about it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them into criminals, they're going to act like criminals.

00:52:02.000 If you say, hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your fucking life because you lied to Congress, and now we know you did.

00:52:08.000 And there's $250 million that your company got and $300 million this company got over the course of X amount of years.

00:52:14.000 And we know.

00:52:16.000 We know that you're in trouble.

00:52:18.000 We're going to put you in jail.

00:52:20.000 And then if you make them criminals, they're going to act like criminals.

00:52:25.000 I think you're dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably they make weapons.

00:52:29.000 They probably don't have the most respect for life.

00:52:34.000 If there's a real discussion where it makes it look like it's their idea as well, that they have this obligation to the American people.

00:52:43.000 They were held under secrecy for so long.

00:52:46.000 But now, through this administration and through this openness that we've all decided through the scientific community, we're going to release this shit.

00:52:53.000 No, I think I agree with you.

00:52:54.000 And that could change the world.

00:52:56.000 The other thing to remember is these aren't villains.

00:52:58.000 They're not like, this isn't some like dark group of evil people.

00:53:03.000 They're normal people that were given a job to do and then did it, right?

00:53:06.000 And they weren't the decision makers.

00:53:09.000 And they're navigating a situation that is unprecedented.

00:53:12.000 There's no playbook for, right?

00:53:14.000 So they think they're doing the right thing.

00:53:16.000 Right.

00:53:17.000 And I think that's important to remember, you know?

00:53:21.000 Do you know the put-off thing?

00:53:23.000 It was in your documentary.

00:53:25.000 With Bush Sr.

00:53:27.000 He talked about it on the podcast.

00:53:28.000 That is such a fascinating story.

00:53:30.000 Back then.

00:53:30.000 It's amazing.

00:53:32.000 Yeah, Herbert Walker Bush.

00:53:32.000 Right after 9-11.

00:53:34.000 No, it was Herbert Walker.

00:53:37.000 You know, the panel was George Bush Jr.

00:53:40.000 It was W?

00:53:41.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 Oh, I thought it was Bush Sr.

00:53:43.000 Yeah, no, it was right after 9-11.

00:53:45.000 Okay.

00:53:46.000 So during that time.

00:53:47.000 So I'm confused.

00:53:49.000 But imagine.

00:53:50.000 So let's imagine 2001.

00:53:52.000 Where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House?

00:53:56.000 So for people that didn't see the documentary yet or watched the podcast with me and how put off, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders, and they were all brought together with a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure.

00:54:11.000 So basically they said to them, we have acquired crafts that are not of this world and we have biological entities that are not of this world.

00:54:21.000 These are real.

00:54:22.000 We want to know if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real, what would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, on our economy, every element of society.

00:54:36.000 And they put a numerical value to everything.

00:54:37.000 And overwhelmingly, all the people asked had way more con than pro.

00:54:43.000 And they determined it was a bad idea?

00:54:44.000 Yeah, which is so wild.

00:54:46.000 Well, that was a think tank-aid off-over a couple days where a bunch of people got together and decided the fate of humanity.

00:54:53.000 Isn't that fascinating?

00:54:54.000 It's crazy.

00:54:55.000 Well, at least I don't think really the fate.

00:54:58.000 I think what it did was just retard everything. 1.00

00:55:00.000 It just slowed the growth of access to this.

00:55:04.000 And I really give the New York Times a lot of credit because I think publishing in 2017 that piece that they did on the front page was so huge because the New York Times is arguably the most respected newspaper in the world.

00:55:19.000 And for them to address it like it's a real issue.

00:55:21.000 And like these pilots are seeing these things.

00:55:24.000 They're behaving in ways that don't make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand.

00:55:29.000 And these are real.

00:55:30.000 And this is New York Times.

00:55:31.000 Like that was – so many people texted me after that and called me after that because they know that I'm a UFO nut.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:38.000 And they're like, hey, man, this might be real.

00:55:40.000 Like serious people that I'm friends with.

00:55:43.000 And I'm like, I think it's real.

00:55:45.000 Maybe there's something there.

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:46.000 And it's helped us get us where we are now.

00:55:49.000 And I don't think the mainstream media support I'm getting for this film right now, I don't think it would have happened if it wasn't for that.

00:55:56.000 No dark light.

00:55:57.000 I think the Times article was the, that burst the membrane and allowed more data to come.

00:56:03.000 It's just more rational discourse about it because I think before then it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed and you just didn't want to be attached to it because you were a fool.

00:56:13.000 You'd have to be a fool to be considering it.

00:56:15.000 But the Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets.

00:56:20.000 Like that article, you know, the original headline, I think, was we're not alone in the universe.

00:56:25.000 And they changed it to, you know, I think it was like black projects and hidden money or something like that.

00:56:31.000 You know, they had to dial it down.

00:56:33.000 Well, because they don't know, right?

00:56:35.000 We might not be alone in the universe.

00:56:37.000 These things might be China's. 0.74

00:56:38.000 It's not likely.

00:56:40.000 Well, that's the other thing.

00:56:42.000 If we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapons sites and our military bases are China, that's fucking terrifying.

00:56:51.000 And that should be the biggest issue of our time, hands down.

00:56:56.000 Because we know the intention of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:56:58.000 It's not good, right?

00:56:59.000 They're not our friends.

00:57:00.000 They're adversaries.

00:57:02.000 And, you know, she has made public statements about wanting to replace the United States at the top of the world order.

00:57:08.000 Like, it's a stated goal, right?

00:57:10.000 So if it is China, even the possibility that they have some of these crafts alongside non-human crafts existing, right? 0.97

00:57:18.000 Even that possibility, it requires the U.S. government to take this so much more serious.

00:57:18.000 Yes.

00:57:24.000 Here's an analogy that General Jim Clapper made to me.

00:57:27.000 He was the director of national intelligence.

00:57:28.000 He's in the film.

00:57:29.000 He's like, before 9-11, we didn't put the right amount of money towards counterterrorism.

00:57:34.000 And we weren't properly sharing information in the intelligence community.

00:57:38.000 Then this horrible thing happened.

00:57:40.000 And the public was outraged and said, we got to throw money and resources at counterterrorism.

00:57:45.000 Every elected representative was beating that drum.

00:57:47.000 We started the director of national intelligence position so that the agencies would all share information and you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps, right?

00:57:55.000 And we threw tons of appropriate funds towards counterterrorism.

00:57:59.000 We now spend more money on counterterrorism than we even need to.

00:58:02.000 And his point was he hopes it doesn't take something bad happening on this front, like China cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then using it against us, or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn't favorable to us before we then throw resources towards it.

00:58:21.000 And it's essentially the same thing Rubio said.

00:58:24.000 They think we need to get ahead of this problem, not wait for it to happen and then react to it.

00:58:28.000 Well, of course.

00:58:29.000 I mean, it would be a horrible loss, both in terms of our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology.

00:58:43.000 If China came out and said, we've cracked this, we have UFOs that we've back-engineered, and now we can fly them around, and we can go visit other solar systems.

00:58:51.000 We've created a new energy source.

00:58:52.000 We're going to save the planet.

00:58:53.000 Yeah, we would look like fools.

00:58:57.000 If we realized that there had been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy and that this had all been done with defense contractors and lying to Congress, it'd be a fucking national disaster.

00:59:13.000 We would look completely incompetent.

00:59:15.000 I really legitimately think a lot of the people in my film stepped up because they don't want to be a left hole in the bag and have people saying, Why didn't you say something sooner?

00:59:22.000 Right.

00:59:23.000 I really think this is going to cover your butt because it's that close.

00:59:27.000 So, when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, what are they saying?

00:59:34.000 Are they saying that they can fly around Earth?

00:59:38.000 Are they saying they can go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space with these things?

00:59:43.000 Like, what have they said we are currently able to do with these back-engineered crafts that we've supposedly people that I can't attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse-engineered technology.

01:00:04.000 Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit, or does that mean traveling through the solar system?

01:00:04.000 Okay.

01:00:13.000 What was implied to me was traveling through the solar system.

01:00:15.000 Jeez.

01:00:17.000 Yeah.

01:00:18.000 So are these that same person said to me, by the way?

01:00:22.000 Yes.

01:00:23.000 Before I forget, that their belief is that the technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war.

01:00:35.000 It would not, those cards would not be shown until moments before a nuclear war situation.

01:00:44.000 So they wouldn't pull it out to stop any of the wars we've experienced in the last, you know, since World War II.

01:00:49.000 They wouldn't, you know, regardless of how many.

01:00:51.000 It has to get to nine.

01:00:53.000 It has to get to a level where there's no, yeah, there's no other option.

01:00:56.000 Wow.

01:00:57.000 Because it's show your cards.

01:00:59.000 Now, when they say that they've traveled through the solar system, is this biological human beings?

01:01:05.000 Or are these drone crafts?

01:01:07.000 Like, what are they saying?

01:01:08.000 I never got any of that.

01:01:10.000 I never got any of that.

01:01:11.000 All I was told is there's some of the some of the UAPs that are seen that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions are non-human intelligent life and some are reverse engineered craft.

01:01:23.000 That's what I was told.

01:01:24.000 But we don't know whether there's a person inside of them.

01:01:26.000 I don't.

01:01:27.000 If they are reverse engineered and they are ours and we figured out how to make our own.

01:01:31.000 That I don't know.

01:01:32.000 Yeah, I need to know that.

01:01:33.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 That's kind of important.

01:01:37.000 Is there fucking some dude named Bob flying through space?

01:01:39.000 Some top gun guy that they've given the task of traveling to Venus real quick.

01:01:45.000 Wouldn't surprise me.

01:01:46.000 You know, one of the other things that, you know, we were talking about Clapper and Ruby and what they said about China.

01:01:52.000 Something else that they both said, despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed, right?

01:01:56.000 Like they have nothing else in common.

01:01:59.000 They both spoke to how we as a species, not just our country, but the entire human species is held back by this.

01:02:08.000 There's something the fact that there's something in the human psyche that says I can't prepare for or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet.

01:02:15.000 Right.

01:02:15.000 And how that leads to strategic surprise because you're not preparing for something that can ultimately end up happening.

01:02:21.000 And Rubio makes great examples.

01:02:22.000 He says, you know, we didn't think the Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor until they figured it out, and they did, right? 1.00

01:02:28.000 We didn't think that terrorists were going to come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack until they did.

01:02:34.000 And with this, he's like, we don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front.

01:02:40.000 We need to be ahead of it.

01:02:41.000 And he very powerfully says that, you know, often strategic surprise changes the course of human history.

01:02:46.000 So this is the question.

01:02:47.000 If we have craft that we can travel through the solar system, we meaning someone in the United States of America.

01:02:54.000 Does China have the same ability right now?

01:02:58.000 Is there an understanding of where they're at in the race versus us?

01:03:04.000 Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were.

01:03:11.000 And multiple people talked about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could, in fact, be reverse-engineered Chinese craft.

01:03:19.000 So it is a scary situation.

01:03:21.000 I mean, look, you can ask the average person a common sense question.

01:03:24.000 Knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon?

01:03:31.000 The answer is no, right?

01:03:32.000 Right.

01:03:33.000 So would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than a nuclear weapon?

01:03:42.000 No.

01:03:43.000 But what technology do they have other than the ability to travel?

01:03:47.000 What other observed technology do they have to use?

01:03:49.000 Well, if you weaponize this technology, like let's just take something like the Tic-Tac.

01:03:54.000 Imagine you could imagine you could take something like that and put a nuclear weapon in there.

01:04:00.000 Right.

01:04:01.000 You would instantaneously, you would have a nuclear weapon that goes off in less than a second on the other side of the world.

01:04:05.000 It's completely undetectable to any sensor system.

01:04:07.000 You can't react to it.

01:04:09.000 Yeah.

01:04:09.000 You know, bad news.

01:04:12.000 Also, these vehicles display the ability to be transmedium.

01:04:16.000 So you could put a nuke through any environment.

01:04:20.000 It's very scary.

01:04:21.000 Well, so transmedium, does that mean I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects?

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:30.000 So this is one of the things in one of the crazier Jacques Volet stories that I've read a few of his books.

01:04:36.000 And one of the more bizarre ones, this woman found this object on her property, some large property.

01:04:44.000 Oh, I want to say it's Nevada.

01:04:45.000 I forget where it was.

01:04:46.000 California, Nevada.

01:04:47.000 But anyway, this egg-shaped, large object, and that as it took off, it flew through the trees.

01:04:56.000 She said it didn't disturb the trees.

01:04:58.000 It just went right through them.

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 So that's, I mean, look, one of those, one of those, if you remember in the film, there's this great scene where Hal Pudoff and Eric Davis were two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs.

01:05:07.000 They break down how they figured out how these craft work and how they are warping space-time in a localized area.

01:05:14.000 And they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in. 0.55

01:05:19.000 And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it.

01:05:21.000 The environment becomes irrelevant.

01:05:24.000 So it can move through physical space, could move from air to space to the water, frictionless, there's no splash.

01:05:32.000 Like the environment outside the bubble is irrelevant.

01:05:34.000 They're creating their own space-time, essentially.

01:05:37.000 They're warping space-time and creating a bubble around the craft.

01:05:40.000 And when you start to think about how that could be weaponized, it's really terrifying.

01:05:45.000 And what is he saying that they're using?

01:05:48.000 Like, how are they...

01:05:49.000 He's saying that they're creating an immense amount of energy in this localized area to create the bubble.

01:05:53.000 And there's two prevailing thoughts on how that energy is created.

01:05:55.000 One is they're tapping into so-called zero-point energy, which has only been theorized at this point by humans, right?

01:06:03.000 Or they're using quantum entanglement to pull energy from a far-off source to the local area, the bubble.

01:06:11.000 And that's what they figured out.

01:06:14.000 And do they have any knowledge of these generators or how they're acquiring this amount of power, what they're using to how are they using zero-point energy?

01:06:23.000 No.

01:06:25.000 But if we've got one and we've back-engineered it successfully, clearly someone must know.

01:06:30.000 So someone knows.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists on the legacy program and were sharing information and that got shut down by the CIA.

01:06:43.000 So before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we've been doing secretly and what we've been figuring out.

01:06:50.000 Jeez.

01:06:51.000 So it's the fucking CIA.

01:06:54.000 Well, look, the film reveals that the legacy program, the craft retrieval reverse engineering program, it has several elements.

01:07:01.000 It's elements of the Air Force.

01:07:02.000 It's elements of the Department of Energy.

01:07:05.000 It's elements of the CIA and its defense contractors.

01:07:08.000 And the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing.

01:07:11.000 The Air Force is used for recovery, like field work, essentially.

01:07:16.000 They have teams that can react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it.

01:07:24.000 And they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base.

01:07:26.000 The defense contractors have the technology, know-how, and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering.

01:07:31.000 The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of the President's reach and Congress's reach.

01:07:39.000 They also have people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy.

01:07:46.000 And then the CIA quarterbacks, the whole thing, think of them as operational control.

01:07:53.000 And this was revealed by a number of people in the film and every single source I talked to.

01:07:59.000 There were a lot of people, Joe, that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public, but they couldn't be on camera.

01:08:09.000 And they guided me, you know, filled in gaps for me, helped me understand the lay of the land.

01:08:14.000 There were some people that told me not to interview.

01:08:16.000 There was a couple people that were sent to me.

01:08:19.000 People wanted to trick me into including them in the film because they were crazy people.

01:08:23.000 And I didn't include them.

01:08:25.000 I got tipped off by people.

01:08:26.000 Don't stay clear of that.

01:08:28.000 That's someone's agenda, trying to sink your ship.

01:08:31.000 But I had a lot of folks helping.

01:08:33.000 The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive.

01:08:38.000 And, you know, I really don't think I would have been able to pull off making the film I did if not for their help.

01:08:46.000 And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

01:08:51.000 And he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out because none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule.

01:09:05.000 They didn't want to be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right?

01:09:08.000 Not only because there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they could be made fun of or their reputation could be damaged, but there's also this security system around the deeply hidden crash refuel program that for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up.

01:09:22.000 And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with several dozen other people.

01:09:31.000 And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee.

01:09:38.000 And then Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes.

01:09:43.000 Intelligence officials who worked this topic, like Jay Stratton and Lou El Zondo and Hal Pudoff were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people.

01:09:57.000 And yeah, I think that I think this is really the only way this was this, we were going to get this level of information out by giving people that safety and numbers.

01:10:06.000 And then after this, it's going to require the kind of amnesty we talked about.

01:10:10.000 Because this is only what they can lawfully disclose.

01:10:14.000 There's so much more.

01:10:16.000 So when it comes to underground or excuse me, underwater stuff, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when that person was famously interviewing him.

01:10:26.000 And everybody was like, what?

01:10:27.000 You're just walking across the street casually talking about bases?

01:10:30.000 Yeah.

01:10:30.000 Where they're coming out of the ocean?

01:10:32.000 It's crazy.

01:10:32.000 Yeah.

01:10:33.000 What do they think that is?

01:10:37.000 Is that different from what's going on in the sky?

01:10:39.000 No, they think it's the same crafts.

01:10:42.000 So they have a base?

01:10:44.000 More simply put, if you were here with advanced aircraft and you wanted to hide from humanity, the most logical place is the ocean.

01:10:52.000 It's the majority of our planet.

01:10:54.000 We've barely studied it.

01:10:58.000 One of the admirals in my film says, We've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans.

01:11:05.000 It's crazy how much is unexplored, right?

01:11:08.000 And so it's the most obvious place to hide.

01:11:10.000 There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans.

01:11:14.000 One of the people I talked to who thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean.

01:11:28.000 And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like a functioning craft.

01:11:34.000 And the helicopter pulled out and they dropped the line and the helicopter took off and the seal was in the water and watched this thing take off and then he had to be recovered out of the water.

01:11:45.000 That's crazy.

01:11:46.000 And the craft that they were trying to recover went down.

01:11:50.000 And did the big ship take it or anything?

01:11:53.000 They said actually, they actually literally said that.

01:11:55.000 They said it took it and went back down.

01:11:57.000 Yo.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 How big was the big one?

01:12:00.000 They said it was big.

01:12:01.000 Just big.

01:12:02.000 That's the only word they used, to be honest.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 And the guy was rattled because the guy was in the seal was in the water hooking a line to this craft.

01:12:10.000 And then when the helicopter pulled out, he said he was in the water just shitting his pants and taking in this extraordinary experience.

01:12:17.000 And then.

01:12:18.000 Was he wearing a vest?

01:12:21.000 I'm sure I'm sure he's just wearing his fucking hell.

01:12:23.000 He's like doggy paddling.

01:12:26.000 Leave him there in the fucking water.

01:12:28.000 These guys panic and pull out.

01:12:30.000 Maybe the UFO would have let you take it.

01:12:33.000 All these situations are really bonkers.

01:12:35.000 I wonder what would happen if they were like, fuck you, we're taking it.

01:12:39.000 You know?

01:12:42.000 What I often wonder is if any of the guys on that shop or snap video of this thing, you know, there's a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share.

01:12:58.000 And that's one of the other things.

01:13:01.000 We need a declassification process that's real and sincere and rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed that won't hurt our national security.

01:13:11.000 And just start being transparent with the public.

01:13:11.000 Right.

01:13:15.000 This encounter of the SEAL reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue.

01:13:20.000 There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors who have had, and intelligence officials who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects, like real issues, cancer, immune, you know, autoimmune issues.

01:13:45.000 A number of people have died of cancer after being around these things.

01:13:49.000 And that's a whole nother level of accountability.

01:13:51.000 You know, there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for.

01:13:55.000 They shouldn't have been put in those situations.

01:13:58.000 There's families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the U.S. government and died.

01:14:03.000 Jesus.

01:14:04.000 So that's a whole other side of this.

01:14:06.000 Them getting cancer from being around the object or being around biologics or both.

01:14:12.000 The object.

01:14:13.000 The object.

01:14:13.000 Because once you understand that these craft are warping space-time in a localized area and creating an immense amount of energy, getting close to it's like getting close to a huge electrical system.

01:14:26.000 It's bad.

01:14:27.000 Right.

01:14:27.000 You know?

01:14:28.000 That's the Travis Walton story.

01:14:30.000 It's a lot of stories.

01:14:31.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 Travis Walton in particular.

01:14:33.000 That's what he said happened.

01:14:35.000 He got close to the object and something zapped him.

01:14:38.000 And, you know, whether it was an actual targeted attack or whether it was just something, a reaction to him being so close to this energy that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt, and that they took off.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, I've spoken, I've spoken off the record to some intelligence officials who have managed to actually get the government to take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status, AHI status, which has only gone to victims of quote-unquote Havana syndrome.

01:15:11.000 And it's a real situation, but not everyone has the relationships or the ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get that AHI status.

01:15:19.000 The Secretary of Defense has to give you the AHI status.

01:15:22.000 This is going to sound crazy, but is there a particular protocol for dealing with the kind of cancer that you get from getting in contact with a UFO?

01:15:29.000 The only thing that I know of, I wouldn't call it a protocol, but I do know that there is a couple specific people, doctors who have become a part of the intelligence communities looking into this, and they've become the go-to doctors for people having biological effects.

01:15:50.000 And if you have a relationship with them, if you can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have the right doctors to send you to.

01:16:04.000 Gary Nolan, who you interviewed, is one of those people.

01:16:07.000 Yeah, Gary Nolan, who's done some groundbreaking research on cancer.

01:16:11.000 Yeah.

01:16:12.000 Gary also.

01:16:13.000 The other guy, I shouldn't say his name, but he used to work for one of the big intelligence agencies that's deeply involved in this.

01:16:28.000 The other thing that Gary has that's really fascinating is the research on materials, like some of the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites and how bizarre they are.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, from studying the isotopes.

01:16:43.000 But the stuff that Gary's gotten into that I find the most mind-blowing is he has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence officials have had with UAP and biological effects it's caused.

01:16:59.000 And some of them are crazy.

01:17:02.000 Like a Department of Defense official who had a UAP above his house and went out in his backyard and looked up at it.

01:17:09.000 And then the thing zapped him with the directed energy weapon.

01:17:12.000 And he has all of the medical signs of a directed energy attack.

01:17:16.000 And this is a super senior credible guy who had recently been made aware of the UAP issue.

01:17:21.000 And then he has this experience.

01:17:24.000 Wow.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 It's pretty wild.

01:17:28.000 So what are the effects of a direct energy weapon?

01:17:30.000 Like, what are the consequences?

01:17:33.000 Cancer.

01:17:34.000 That's what he's getting?

01:17:35.000 Yeah.

01:17:35.000 Cancer.

01:17:36.000 Wow.

01:17:37.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 Do you know about the Vargenia Brazil story?

01:17:40.000 Do you know about the James Fox doctor?

01:17:41.000 Yeah, James.

01:17:42.000 I'm excited to see James' follow-up.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, he's got a new one.

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 He's got a follow-up with, I think it's the actual doctor that worked with the patient.

01:17:52.000 He was at the hospital that night and interacted with the being.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, I'm excited to see that.

01:17:57.000 So the story is that this police officer, that they found this crash, and the documentary is excellent.

01:18:05.000 If you haven't seen that, folks, it's called Moment of Contact.

01:18:07.000 It's really good.

01:18:08.000 And one of the things that's really good about it is the eyewitnesses.

01:18:11.000 When the eyewitnesses returned to the scene of the crime, I'm like, or excuse me, the scene of the crash.

01:18:15.000 I was like, either that guy is an amazing actor.

01:18:18.000 No, it's great.

01:18:19.000 Or he's really crying because he's remembering this insane moment in his life.

01:18:24.000 And there was eyewitnesses that saw alive one of these things.

01:18:24.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 And this police officer found one that was injured, carried it, put it in the car, physically carried it.

01:18:35.000 They brought it to hospital.

01:18:36.000 That hospital told them, we don't know what to do with this.

01:18:38.000 You got to take it somewhere else.

01:18:39.000 They took it to a second hospital, and the second hospital, this is the doctor allegedly that examined it.

01:18:43.000 Yeah.

01:18:44.000 That police officer had a horrific bacterial infection that they could not cure, and he died within weeks.

01:18:51.000 It's horrible.

01:18:52.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 It's horrible.

01:18:53.000 There's so many examples of these interactions going bad.

01:18:57.000 But it's also like, you know, imagine you didn't know what a fighter jet was, and there was giant flame coming out of the back of it, and you walk behind it, you're going to be toast.

01:19:09.000 I don't think it's an intentional thing.

01:19:10.000 I think it's we're interacting with a technology we don't understand.

01:19:14.000 And you're getting too close to it.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, we're getting too close to it.

01:19:16.000 Don't go walk up to it.

01:19:17.000 If it's floating in the air, it means it's got an insane amount of power that's carrying this fucking 2,000-ton thing.

01:19:25.000 The other crazy story that was in so James Fox's movie, The Phenomenon, which he directed it.

01:19:32.000 He's totally responsible for making that movie.

01:19:33.000 I was a producer on it with him.

01:19:35.000 But it's all James.

01:19:36.000 James 100% made that movie.

01:19:39.000 One of the coolest stories in that film was the aerial school phenomenon story at the end.

01:19:46.000 These kids in Zimbabwe at a school in like, I think it was 89 or 90, 91, something like that.

01:19:51.000 Maybe it was 94 around that time.

01:19:55.000 These kids, like between the ages of like 7 and 13 or something like that, they all saw this craft come down during their recess, and they all say they experienced the same thing.

01:20:06.000 They all saw these beings that looked like they were moving in slow motion around the craft.

01:20:13.000 And they saw this craft take off at thousands of miles an hour after.

01:20:18.000 Years later, they're all saying the same thing.

01:20:20.000 The stories didn't change.

01:20:21.000 They didn't try to make money off this at all.

01:20:25.000 It's a wild story.

01:20:26.000 But now when you look back at that story through what guys like Cal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble, do you know what would make someone look like they're moving slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next to the craft where time and space is moving differently than outside the craft?

01:20:44.000 That's literally what it would do.

01:20:45.000 For the same reasons why the craft could, in the bubble, could just be cruising along.

01:20:48.000 But to us, it looks like it's going at these impossible speeds.

01:20:52.000 You're in a different space-time environment.

01:20:53.000 So all these things that people saw at Arial, in Brazil, they get explained by these reveals that are starting to come out now.

01:21:04.000 And that's, to me, that's wild, seeing how these things all connect.

01:21:07.000 Yeah, it is crazy.

01:21:09.000 And it's essentially this description of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the exact same way Lazar was describing it, which is really nuts.

01:21:19.000 That in 1989, he was proposing that there's some sort of a gravity-defying device and that it was using element 115 and then it was radiated and somehow or another is creating this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it wants to be rather than propels it.

01:21:36.000 Yeah.

01:21:37.000 The way he described it is like if you took a bowling ball and you put it in a very soft cushion, it would just push through.

01:21:43.000 And that's what these things do, it just pushes through to wherever it's supposed to be.

01:21:47.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 Similar, similar, the other, the other explanation is like a ball rolling downhill, like a certain like a surfboard pointed down, riding a wave.

01:21:59.000 When did they first start to become aware of underwater activity?

01:22:02.000 And when did they first start to suspect that these things were in fact having at least some sort of a base underneath the oceans?

01:22:09.000 I don't know the exact first, but I do know from people I've talked to that as far back as the 80s.

01:22:17.000 Wow.

01:22:17.000 Yeah.

01:22:18.000 Which is incredible.

01:22:20.000 Well, the crazy thing is that if they've really been studying this stuff and retrieving things, like back from Roswell, which was 47, they've really been doing this stuff for that long.

01:22:31.000 It's kind of crazy that they were able to actually keep a lid on it for so long.

01:22:36.000 I mean, it's not that crazy when your life's being threatened.

01:22:43.000 And it's kind of got a lid on it, right?

01:22:45.000 Kind of, but not really.

01:22:46.000 I mean, there's been people about Roswell.

01:22:49.000 Yeah, there's been people leaking over the years information.

01:22:51.000 But I think now we're at a tipping point where, like, I really believe the release of this film is the singular tipping point where you have this many credible, high-level people saying, yes, this is real.

01:23:04.000 I mean, even Clapper going on the record saying that UAP activity over Area 51 is real.

01:23:09.000 The biggest conspiracy globally, that there's UFOs over Area 51, that 90% of humanity has written off as bullshit, right?

01:23:16.000 Here's the guy who was director of national intelligence and head of Air Force Intelligence saying, no, that's real.

01:23:21.000 So I think the tipping point, and Rubio going on the record, second most powerful guy in the world, arguably, saying that the presidents are kept out of the loop on this and that defense contractors have taken this over.

01:23:31.000 And that even he even says that every now and then advancements made get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors make a bunch of money on for their own best interest, not for the benefit of the nation and national security.

01:23:43.000 Like these are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible.

01:23:46.000 And I think that because we've had all the leaks over the years, it's going to resonate with people.

01:23:52.000 People are like, oh, shit, all those things that have been slipping out over the years, it's real.

01:23:57.000 And these guys are validating it.

01:23:58.000 And it'll be really interesting to see what's on the other side of that.

01:24:01.000 And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people in the intelligence community military, you start learning about adjacent things that are equally bonkers, like remote viewing, which you've talked a lot about, right?

01:24:14.000 You know?

01:24:15.000 I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that Al Budoff was the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate, backed by the DOD and the CIA, and also was deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades.

01:24:29.000 There's a lot of overlap.

01:24:31.000 And the remote viewing topic is fascinating.

01:24:33.000 It's another one of those things where you learn about it and you're like, there is a there.

01:24:36.000 It's a real situation.

01:24:37.000 And it's extraordinary.

01:24:39.000 Makes you think how much more is hidden from us that we have.

01:24:42.000 I definitely want to talk about that, but I want to ask you, were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into no, no one said it on the record.

01:24:54.000 I was shocked when Rubio said that on camera when he went there, like clearly, clearly, clearly stating that, I mean, I think word for word, I think he says, and every now and then an advancement gets made and gets commercialized and some company's making a ton of money on it for their own interest.

01:25:11.000 But is there any suspicions when you're talking about it?

01:25:12.000 Yeah, no, I've heard suspicions.

01:25:15.000 Like what?

01:25:15.000 Like, you know, how it has impacted hypersonic missiles.

01:25:21.000 I've heard things about early days of fiber optics.

01:25:24.000 I've heard things about night vision.

01:25:27.000 But no one would go on the record and say something definitive.

01:25:32.000 The thing people were comfortable saying and Rubio said is that defense contractors have been in control of this over the decades.

01:25:39.000 Congressional oversight has, Congress has lost congressional oversight.

01:25:44.000 And essentially, these programs are just moving along and keeping it to themselves.

01:25:48.000 And when you keep something to yourself, it's easy to slip a win into your commercialized side of your business.

01:25:54.000 Right.

01:25:55.000 I would like to know what that is, though.

01:25:56.000 It would be really interesting.

01:25:58.000 And who knows, by the way, if it's even public.

01:25:58.000 Do you know the.

01:26:00.000 It might be something that they made that isn't public, that they're using to get bigger contracts in exchange for shutting up about it.

01:26:10.000 Ah, right, of course.

01:26:12.000 Why wouldn't you?

01:26:13.000 Put that fucking chinfoil hat on securely.

01:26:13.000 Let's go deep.

01:26:18.000 Do you know about the conspiracy about Bell Laboratory in New Jersey?

01:26:21.000 Yeah, I've heard.

01:26:22.000 I've heard.

01:26:22.000 I've heard a lot about that.

01:26:25.000 The tinfoil hat thing is a good reminder.

01:26:29.000 One of the things I learned is that the stigma around this was created by the people covering this up.

01:26:34.000 So in the early 50s, late 40s, the CIA, when they took control of this, they were like, we got to make sure people don't ask about this.

01:26:41.000 How do we do that?

01:26:42.000 It's just a psychological operation.

01:26:44.000 Like, make people think they're crazy.

01:26:45.000 Make people think they're a wacko. 0.98

01:26:46.000 Make tinfoil hat jokes.

01:26:48.000 And then that gets built into our culture.

01:26:50.000 And different generations grow up thinking, oh, you're a nut if you talk about this.

01:26:55.000 It'd be embarrassing.

01:26:56.000 You're going to have your career ruined.

01:26:57.000 And now here we are.

01:26:59.000 People giggle when you bring up this serious issue, right?

01:27:03.000 Yeah.

01:27:03.000 Until.

01:27:04.000 And it's been used against people inside a government.

01:27:07.000 So here's a good story.

01:27:09.000 This is, yeah, I'll just tell you.

01:27:12.000 So Jay Stratton told me about an event that happened on the military base that is top gun, the top gun base, where a craft came down.

01:27:22.000 I don't know exactly how high it was, whether it was in the air or in space, but came down from very high, dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander and his number two.

01:27:32.000 And they documented it with video recording.

01:27:35.000 And this was when Jay was running the UAP Task Force.

01:27:38.000 And they reached out to him saying they wanted to report this.

01:27:40.000 And Jay went and talked to them in person.

01:27:43.000 And they were going to do an official, these are super senior guys that were going to do an official on-the-record testimony about what they saw with their own eyes.

01:27:53.000 And Jay told a senior guy in Naval Intelligence who he thought was on the right side of history.

01:28:00.000 And before these guys could come in and testify, the naval intelligence official who was actually part of the cover-up sent these guys tinfoil hats and told them that's what they'd be wearing the rest of their lives if they spoke up.

01:28:14.000 And the guys reached out to Jay and said, we're not providing the evidence.

01:28:19.000 We're not going to talk about this.

01:28:20.000 Let's pretend it never happened.

01:28:22.000 So, you know, that kind of stuff really holds back because it's very easy to deter a military.

01:28:29.000 Somebody who's put their, devoted their whole life to climbing the ladder in the military.

01:28:33.000 Yeah.

01:28:34.000 And you're going to tell them that you could just end their career path in an instant.

01:28:39.000 Why would they keep going forward?

01:28:40.000 Yeah, why would they?

01:28:41.000 Makes no sense.

01:28:42.000 I wouldn't.

01:28:43.000 I'd shut my fucking mouth.

01:28:44.000 I'd maybe tell Jesse Michaels 10 years later.

01:28:49.000 That's what a lot of these guys wind up doing.

01:28:51.000 They retire and then they start talking.

01:28:53.000 I do think that we're going to see more people come out.

01:28:56.000 I really, I've already started.

01:28:58.000 I've started receiving, since the trailers have been out there, I've started receiving incoming DMs on social media sites from super senior people where I look up who they are and I'm like, holy shit, you know?

01:29:10.000 And they're like, hey, we should talk in person sometime.

01:29:11.000 There's some things I want to share.

01:29:13.000 And I don't know what's going to come out of that.

01:29:16.000 I haven't done those meetings yet.

01:29:18.000 But I imagine people are going to come out of the woodwork because this stuff is real and it's been hidden so much.

01:29:24.000 And I know there's some big people coming out next year.

01:29:27.000 Stratton's book is going to be a big thing too.

01:29:30.000 I've actually been working with him on it, developing his book, and it's going to come out in the spring.

01:29:34.000 Harper Collins is publishing it.

01:29:36.000 And it's fucking bombshell.

01:29:39.000 It's bonkers.

01:29:40.000 Wow.

01:29:41.000 So much detail.

01:29:41.000 One of the other things that I didn't include in the film, Joe, that's, I mean, it's bonkers to think about.

01:29:50.000 All of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government, like the people involved in AUSAP and ATIP and UAP Task Force, they all started having activity at their homes when they were investigating non-human intelligent life.

01:30:06.000 What kind of activity?

01:30:07.000 Orbs in their houses, orbs interacting with their family, causing medical issues for family members, ending up in the family members ending up in the hospital due to orb activity.

01:30:18.000 What issues due to orb activity?

01:30:21.000 One of the senior intelligence officials that I spoke to, and I'll let him tell his own story when he's ready, but Son got extremely impacted by an orb, black and blue over his whole body, had to go to the hospital, looked like someone took a bat to his chest.

01:30:40.000 I didn't include this in the film, this section, because I feel like when you get into the stuff happening in people's houses, I think it's a bridge too far for a lot of people.

01:30:51.000 And you got to set the table with the base facts first, which is what my film does.

01:30:55.000 And then they can open their minds to these other things.

01:30:58.000 But what I found really interesting is when I would do these interviews with people and they would all talk about this activity they started having at their houses that in some cases caused medical issues.

01:31:08.000 It was all after they started looking into non-human intelligent life.

01:31:11.000 And their takeaway was that non-human intelligent life was looking into them because they were looking into non-human intelligent life.

01:31:17.000 And they made the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to DC to spy on Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy.

01:31:24.000 And so that was their outlook.

01:31:25.000 And I thought that was really interesting and almost implies like a human level of thinking, you know?

01:31:35.000 Or maybe some attempt to make contact.

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 You know, there was a guy that I interviewed at Skinwalker Ranch who lived outside of the ranch who had an orb experience.

01:31:46.000 And I talked to a few people there that were clearly out of their fucking mind, and maybe on meth.

01:31:51.000 But a few people that seemed pretty credible.

01:31:54.000 And this guy was the most.

01:31:56.000 Just a regular guy with a regular job.

01:31:59.000 Interesting guy, cool to talk to.

01:32:02.000 He said that he's had a few weird sightings, but the weirdest one was one day in his home, this orb that was like larger than a softball, he said, but came flying into his house and was in the living room with him and it was interacting with him.

01:32:21.000 And then it flew down the hallway and flew right through the walls.

01:32:25.000 Yeah.

01:32:25.000 But he said it interacted with him.

01:32:27.000 Like it was in front of him, like letting him know that it's there.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:31.000 Almost in a some people say almost in a playful way.

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:34.000 And I've heard about this orb activity in intelligence officials' houses like more times than I can remember, countless times.

01:32:42.000 And the journey of this movie, I not only got to know a lot of these intelligence officials very well, but like went and spent time with their wives, with their kids, with them together.

01:32:50.000 And when you see like a wife completing a husband's sentence, like they're telling you what they experienced together, it's bonkers, man. 1.00

01:32:57.000 It's wild.

01:32:57.000 It's like, holy shit, this happened, you know?

01:33:00.000 And then when you hear their kids talk about it separately, and you're like, that's literally word for word.

01:33:04.000 What, like, you guys are all experienced the same thing.

01:33:06.000 You have these different POVs.

01:33:07.000 It's not like the family got together with a coordinated lie.

01:33:09.000 It doesn't feel like that.

01:33:13.000 That seems a little over the top because, like, to what end, right?

01:33:15.000 I didn't even, I sound like I put it in the movie, you know?

01:33:18.000 Yeah.

01:33:19.000 But it's really fascinating.

01:33:21.000 And the orb activity, who knows what it is, man?

01:33:28.000 It could be another form of the warping of space-time in a localized area.

01:33:32.000 Like, once you do that, time and space is different in that bubble.

01:33:37.000 So that could be a much bigger craft inside of an energy ball that we see.

01:33:42.000 We might just, this might be what we see is the orb, right?

01:33:44.000 It might be a transportation device.

01:33:46.000 There might be a being in there.

01:33:47.000 And this is just what we're seeing is what's on the outside of this warping of space-time.

01:33:51.000 Well, that's another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described that was very weird was a craft that was small, but then when they got inside of it, it was the size of a football field.

01:34:01.000 Yeah, so that also goes with the warping of space-time.

01:34:04.000 So Pal says in the film, this was something I was shocked at how I said.

01:34:08.000 I was really shocked.

01:34:09.000 He says the warping of space-time in the bubble explains a lot of things that at this point haven't made sense to us.

01:34:18.000 And he says, like, for example, when a military serviceman goes onto a craft that looks like it's, you know, 40 feet, and then he goes inside, it looks like it's the size of a football field.

01:34:30.000 That makes sense now because from outside the bubble, it's one thing, and inside the bubble, it's something else.

01:34:35.000 Right.

01:34:36.000 And that's wild.

01:34:38.000 Yeah, and I've heard that story a number of times from people who have never talked to each other.

01:34:43.000 Yeah, it's like we have this very simple understanding of objects and of space and the ability to move around in them.

01:34:52.000 And this kind of spectacular technology, I think we kind of have to think about it just like all other spectacular technology.

01:35:00.000 Like you, if you were around in the 1400s, you couldn't possibly imagine the concept of a nuclear bomb.

01:35:06.000 It would be impossible.

01:35:07.000 Or nuclear energy or even a cell phone.

01:35:10.000 Yeah.

01:35:10.000 Now, imagine new breakthroughs happen and now this bubble gets created and we start to figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles and then we realize that what's happening in these bubbles is not what you see on the outside, that it's completely warping, which is also one of the weird questions like, why are UFOs so blurry?

01:35:33.000 That answers that question because, you know, Hal says it, and I loved when he revealed this because I was like, oh, that just checks the box.

01:35:39.000 It makes sense.

01:35:40.000 People have trouble taking photos of UAP because they're literally taking a photo through a space, a space-time bubble, basically.

01:35:47.000 The warping of space-time.

01:35:48.000 So the analogy would be like, if you go under the ocean, you take a picture of a fish, you're going to get better visibility.

01:35:55.000 You're in their domain, right?

01:35:56.000 You're in their environment, right?

01:35:58.000 But if you go above the ocean, right?

01:36:01.000 You're now in a different environment, and you try taking a photo from above the water, it's going to be all distorted and wacky looking because you're taking a photo through a barrier, another environment, right?

01:36:13.000 It's the same basic logic.

01:36:15.000 Like try taking a picture of koi fish from above the water.

01:36:17.000 You can't do it, right?

01:36:19.000 And so that's just the simplest answer.

01:36:22.000 Like that's what they're doing.

01:36:23.000 They are warping space-time in a localized area.

01:36:25.000 They're creating a barrier between our environment and their environment.

01:36:28.000 And when you try to take a photo through it, it's not great.

01:36:29.000 It's also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things because the radar detector, a radar detector, the way it works is radar is emitted towards an object, it bounces back to the radar detector, and that's how you track where it is, right?

01:36:42.000 But the radar is just going around the bubble, and it's not going back to the radar detector because it's just going around the bubble.

01:36:53.000 It's a different environment, right?

01:36:54.000 And supposedly we can do that now?

01:36:57.000 Well, the interview subjects clearly imply that some of the UAP – not imply.

01:37:02.000 They state that some of the UAP we're seeing might be our reverse engineer technology.

01:37:08.000 Might be.

01:37:09.000 And is there any theories about other potential methods of propulsion rather than just this bubble?

01:37:17.000 Is anything done in a more traditional way?

01:37:20.000 Is there levels of these things when it comes to the technological abilities?

01:37:26.000 Everyone I interviewed that was willing to talk about the technology was convinced this is what they were doing.

01:37:31.000 That they're all doing theory.

01:37:34.000 It explains everything we've ever observed.

01:37:37.000 Like all the performance characteristics we've observed UAP displaying.

01:37:44.000 And so the theory is that all of these advanced beings from wherever they're from, the various different species of them, that all of them have this particular type of technology.

01:37:55.000 Yeah.

01:37:56.000 Huh.

01:37:57.000 Which if it's the key to interstellar travel, then.

01:38:00.000 It kind of makes sense.

01:38:01.000 But it's like, are they all figuring out this?

01:38:04.000 Are they getting it from each other?

01:38:05.000 Like, is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology?

01:38:14.000 Well, one of the things shared that I found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft that we've recovered and adversarial nations have recovered weren't crash crafts and weren't crafts that they caused a crash.

01:38:28.000 They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, and Diana Pasalka discusses them as donations.

01:38:35.000 So gifts, donations, but the thought, if you try to explain that, why would anyone do that?

01:38:41.000 Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick.

01:38:47.000 Maybe it's survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth.

01:38:51.000 Maybe it's a big IQ test.

01:38:53.000 Who knows what it is?

01:38:54.000 But that's an interesting scenario and seems intentional from whoever put it there.

01:38:59.000 Well, it would make sense if they were trying to help, that that would be the least intrusive way.

01:39:05.000 Instead of coming down, hello, let me show you how to do this.

01:39:08.000 Instead of doing that, just like, hey, figure this out, stupid.

01:39:11.000 Get all your brightest people.

01:39:12.000 And at the very least, you'll figure something out.

01:39:15.000 And maybe that's what they're saying, that these things have gone into some sort of a commercial application.

01:39:20.000 I just want to know what those things are.

01:39:22.000 Because this was the thing that I was getting at with Bell Laboratory.

01:39:26.000 So Bell Labs was this is the conspiracy theory is that some of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back engineering program.

01:39:40.000 And that there was a reason why there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs.

01:39:45.000 And the idea was that military base is supposed to be guarding New York City, but the New York City was like kind of far away.

01:39:49.000 Like you'd want to be a little closer if you're guarding New York City.

01:39:53.000 And it's much more likely that it was actually just guarding this laboratory.

01:39:56.000 And that there was a company called the American Computer Company.

01:40:00.000 And the American Computer Company, are they still around?

01:40:04.000 Let's see if they still have this page.

01:40:06.000 It's a very wacky page.

01:40:09.000 So they would just made, they made made-to-order computers.

01:40:14.000 Like you would call it up.

01:40:14.000 I want a, you know, whatever, five gigahertz Intel processor, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:20.000 And they would do it all for you.

01:40:21.000 I want a two-terabyte hard drive.

01:40:23.000 They would set it all up for you and send it to you.

01:40:25.000 And then they had a whole section of their website that was dedicated to back engineering technology from Bell Labs and how it all happened.

01:40:34.000 And they were talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the transistor, that these things had come specifically from the discoveries that they had made from the back engineering of a craft that was down at Roswell.

01:40:50.000 Which was also, by the way, Roswell was a site of a lot of nuclear testing.

01:40:50.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 Yeah.

01:40:55.000 I was told that people say in the film that Roswell did in fact happen.

01:41:00.000 There was a crash.

01:41:01.000 Four non-human bodies were in the craft and recovered.

01:41:05.000 And the technology, the craft materials, and the bodies were sent to Wright-Patt Air Force Base in Ohio, which is very close to Battelle, right?

01:41:18.000 And then maybe that's the reason why Bell Labs is near a military base.

01:41:22.000 Maybe it's more about proximity to a base that can have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials, and then get them to a facility close by without the need for moving them across the country.

01:41:36.000 And that would also, if it was true, would also be one of the first examples of this coordination between government and defense contractors, government and scientists that were commercially working.

01:41:47.000 Yeah.

01:41:48.000 And that they somehow or another arranged to get these brightest minds to, hey, what's this?

01:41:54.000 How's this work?

01:41:55.000 Is that computer company still around?

01:41:58.000 I don't think so, but I just stumbled across something I was reading that another story about the Bell Labs story?

01:42:05.000 Adder from the guy that says he's the head of American computer company.

01:42:09.000 What does he say?

01:42:11.000 I just found it as you asked the question, trying to see why this was relevant.

01:42:15.000 This was like back, I want to say it might have been like the 90s, late 90s or early 2000s when I first started going online.

01:42:24.000 And I found out about them because, you know, I used to make my own computers back then.

01:42:29.000 So I would go and get a motherboard and hard drive and do all that stuff.

01:42:32.000 It was fun.

01:42:32.000 That's cool.

01:42:33.000 For gaming, it was really fun because you could set it up with powerful video cards and everything like that.

01:42:38.000 But there was a bunch of companies that would sell like really high-end, put-together computers so you didn't have to go through all that work.

01:42:44.000 And so I was just looking at companies that make computers, made to order Windows computers.

01:42:50.000 And I found them.

01:42:50.000 And I was like, what?

01:42:52.000 What the fuck is this?

01:42:55.000 Do they still have that up?

01:42:56.000 That's wild.

01:42:57.000 That I don't know.

01:42:58.000 I started to try to find it.

01:43:00.000 I thought I found it.

01:43:01.000 What about the Wayback machine?

01:43:04.000 Well, this article that I found that says it's extracted from Nexus Magazine 1999.

01:43:11.000 You know, the thing about when you think about what he's doing.

01:43:15.000 He says everything you talked about.

01:43:15.000 Hold on.

01:43:15.000 What is this?

01:43:17.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 Can you see it?

01:43:19.000 It's very long.

01:43:20.000 It's super long.

01:43:21.000 It's all written, but it talks about alien craft.

01:43:25.000 Yeah.

01:43:26.000 Okay.

01:43:26.000 So it said, so now not only do we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT ⁇ T, but we're also in possession of a very high-level level five top-secret security clearance military faxes describing something called SkyStation.

01:43:47.000 We try to be cue, we try to put up a picture.

01:43:48.000 If you go to our website, it's still there.

01:43:50.000 Here's our website.

01:43:51.000 Bottom of the page is the nav bar pointer.

01:43:54.000 Is that website still up?

01:43:55.000 I'll click on it.

01:43:56.000 Click on it.

01:43:56.000 Let's see what we got here.

01:43:59.000 Just in case some weird.

01:44:01.000 Nope.

01:44:02.000 That is not the exact same thing.

01:44:03.000 That's gone, son.

01:44:05.000 It's a website.

01:44:06.000 Yeah, but that's a bullshit website.

01:44:08.000 That's not the American Computer Company website, is it?

01:44:11.000 No.

01:44:12.000 No.

01:44:12.000 That's just like American Priority Payment Systems.

01:44:15.000 What is this?

01:44:16.000 Who bought them, do you know?

01:44:18.000 Probably the fucking government, man.

01:44:21.000 But this is talking about everything you just said, although that's what I was trying to figure out what this is.

01:44:27.000 It's websites, I don't know, reverse engineering, Roswell UFO technology.

01:44:33.000 Look at this.

01:44:34.000 It says here, the symbol for the transistor is made up of three pieces, positive, positive, and negative, or negative, negative, and positive.

01:44:41.000 Silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and boron in 1947.

01:44:46.000 Now, 1947, doping things with boron was not easy.

01:44:50.000 It required the sort of equipment that even Bell Labs in 1946 did not possess.

01:44:55.000 They had this type of equipment at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories, but it would have taken thousands and thousands and thousands of man hours to invent the transistor.

01:45:05.000 If you look back at it historically, what AT ⁇ T was claiming was that one day this genius, William Shockley, working with a rectifier, he looked at it and noticed that it had unusual propensities.

01:45:21.000 And there, bingo, he invented the transistor.

01:45:24.000 He figured it out right there.

01:45:25.000 And to verify that, the two other geniuses that they got to help work with him on the transistor, Dr. Barden and Dr. Bratton, Bretain, both said, oh yeah, I remember the guy by his name, by the name of the case, was allegedly talking about transistors in 1931.

01:45:44.000 And I knew back then we were going to have them.

01:45:47.000 He said that that is the history of the transistor at AT ⁇ T prior to 1948, other than claiming it was invented in December of 1947 by Dr. Shockley.

01:45:57.000 Anybody believe that story?

01:45:59.000 Me neither.

01:45:59.000 And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor project was Jack Morton, the man at whose house I was staying to go to school and whose sons I was friends with.

01:46:11.000 And he often commented on the fact that it was really a shame that those three idiots got responsibility for the transistor and he didn't.

01:46:19.000 And I always wondered because he too didn't possess the scientific ability to develop the transistor.

01:46:25.000 He was a brilliant man who had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed-space triode, but it appeared that he was brought in to head up the project to try to draw back the transistor in time to radio tubes and the image that Shockley talked about.

01:46:46.000 And it was as if the whole thing was just a ploy and he might as easily have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as Bill Shockley.

01:46:56.000 Professional jealousy, it says, question mark.

01:46:59.000 Wow.

01:47:00.000 Yeah, so there's questions about the invention of the transistor according to these guys.

01:47:05.000 But it's also fiber optics and it's the things that what they're saying is that these things kind of came out of the city.

01:47:10.000 Came out nowhere, yeah.

01:47:11.000 Yeah.

01:47:12.000 It's hard not to line it up.

01:47:14.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 Well, it certainly lines up time-wise with the Roswell crash.

01:47:19.000 And the labs working on these things being close proximity to bases that are known for recoveries and reverse engineering.

01:47:28.000 Around Roswell, the engineers, the Army Air Corps engineers that were based at Wright Pat were literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps.

01:47:38.000 That's who was based there.

01:47:39.000 That's so crazy.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, and people forget at the time it was the Army Air Corps at Roswell, you know?

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 And the, yeah, I mean, the dots all line up, you know.

01:47:48.000 The other thing to think about with what technology has been cracked is just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean they didn't crack it.

01:47:54.000 Like typically, you know, if you just look at like, you know, aerospace, like fighters and stuff, our black projects are like 30 years out.

01:48:02.000 Right, right.

01:48:02.000 You know?

01:48:03.000 So they might have come up with something truly extraordinary.

01:48:08.000 Is it 30 years out?

01:48:10.000 Are you thinking about it in like 1990 and 2000 times, or is it 30 years out now?

01:48:14.000 Because technology is obviously moving at an exponential pace.

01:48:19.000 I mean, is it really still, because 30 years from now, I feel like we have a digital god.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, no, I can't believe that they're 30 years out.

01:48:27.000 It's 30 for sure.

01:48:28.000 Really?

01:48:29.000 And multiple intelligence officials have told me, even the people who are not dealing with UAP, they're just working at like Defense Intelligence Agency.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:35.000 They're like aerospace experts.

01:48:37.000 They're looking at our, they have to be aware of our black projects that are 30 years out and adversaries projects that are 30 years out.

01:48:44.000 And I mean, that stuff's wild.

01:48:47.000 I talked to a very senior intelligence official who is in his 80s, who in the 70s, mid-70s, was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA.

01:48:58.000 What?

01:48:59.000 Yeah.

01:49:01.000 No one heard about Quantum Entertainment, I think, until like 15 years ago.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, so how is he working on quantum entanglement?

01:49:07.000 Didn't get into the details.

01:49:09.000 That was the headline I got, and it's a super serious guy.

01:49:12.000 But that was the headline I got.

01:49:14.000 He was doing fringe science work dealing with quantum entanglement for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s.

01:49:21.000 And quantum entanglement under what end?

01:49:25.000 As a method of distribution of information?

01:49:28.000 Unclear.

01:49:31.000 I wouldn't want to assume, but just that was the headline.

01:49:34.000 And that's the, it was said to me in the context of when the public hears about something existing, it's long after it's existed in terms of black problem science.

01:49:46.000 And so it just makes you think, like, you know, if things have come off the back of this technology and some of it has been commercialized, actually put into hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever, what hasn't?

01:49:58.000 You know, what's just been kept in a box.

01:50:00.000 Right.

01:50:02.000 It's pretty wild to think about.

01:50:03.000 But the reality is, I mean, all that leads me to just, I really feel like if we get into this era of transparency and everyone knows it's real and all scientists know it's a valid area of inquiry and all the bright young minds out there that are in high school or college right now know this is something they can put their brain power towards, dude, so much amazing stuff could come out of it.

01:50:21.000 Like think about the space race.

01:50:21.000 Yeah.

01:50:22.000 35,000 inventions, they say, came out of the space race, like Velcro and a bunch of other stuff.

01:50:27.000 I think the fear would be that the openness would also lead to espionage.

01:50:32.000 You know, because we already have a problem with that.

01:50:34.000 We already have a problem with agents of the CCP that infiltrate technology companies and get busted and it happens at universities.

01:50:44.000 It's an issue.

01:50:46.000 And if it was open transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest minds, like, you know, maybe, but maybe it's like the amnesty thing.

01:50:54.000 Maybe it just needs to happen for the greater good.

01:50:56.000 Yeah, that's the question.

01:50:58.000 Like if they're both, if both the United States and China are literally on the brink, maybe it's a conversation that needs to be had for the greater good of humanity.

01:51:05.000 Yeah.

01:51:05.000 You know, that this notion that we are the only intelligent life that we've so far observed in the universe is a lie.

01:51:14.000 And that where they come from, whether they're interdimensional or whether interstellar or whatever they are, there's something other than us that's more advanced than us, that can do things that we can't do and that we've learned from them.

01:51:28.000 And despite our differences, we have a lot in common in this situation and that we're all in it together.

01:51:28.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 That's the Reagan speech.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, that famous Reagan speech at the UN.

01:51:34.000 Yeah.

01:51:37.000 The two famous president speeches that I now look through, you know, I look at in a completely different ways.

01:51:41.000 Reagan's speech at the United Nations, where he says, I often think, you know, despite our differences, what will unite us is a threat from outside this planet.

01:51:49.000 Yeah.

01:51:50.000 You know, that brought us all together and reminded us of our common bonds as humans.

01:51:53.000 But the other speech, well, first of all, that one.

01:51:55.000 Why do you often think that, Ronald Reagan?

01:51:57.000 Right.

01:51:58.000 Why is Reagan saying that?

01:51:59.000 Why are you often thinking this?

01:51:59.000 They're the president.

01:52:00.000 It gave so many people hope.

01:52:02.000 So many dorks like me.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, maybe really.

01:52:04.000 Well, the other one is the Eisenhower speech about the military-industrial complex.

01:52:08.000 Where he warned us.

01:52:08.000 Yes.

01:52:10.000 And he warned us at a time where we now know the legacy program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors to reverse engineer this technology.

01:52:21.000 And he warns, he says very, very, very clearly that the ability exists and will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic process and get us basically saying, well, get us to a place where the contractors are going to have more power than Congress.

01:52:38.000 And here we are in 2025 with leaders in Congress and our Secretary of State saying that's literally what happened.

01:52:43.000 That's literally the situation right now.

01:52:45.000 The president is out of the mix.

01:52:47.000 Congress is out of the mix.

01:52:48.000 The people are out of the mix.

01:52:49.000 And military contractors, the military industrial complex, is in control, has unchecked power, and just waits out sitting presidents.

01:52:57.000 It's wild to listen to his full speech through that context and know that that's what he was talking about.

01:53:02.000 And it came to fruit.

01:53:03.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 And it's 80 years later.

01:53:05.000 We're like, oh, he was right.

01:53:07.000 And the thing is, that speech was, he did that live on the air to the world.

01:53:13.000 And people didn't really get a chance to watch it until the internet.

01:53:17.000 Because most people, you'd have to read about it or you'd have to go somewhere and find some 35 millimeter footage and strap it on to a projector and go watch him say that.

01:53:28.000 Most people never saw it.

01:53:29.000 You didn't see it until the internet came around and then people had encoded it and turned it into YouTube videos.

01:53:35.000 Super powerful speech.

01:53:36.000 There's a third one that I looked through a different lens now, which is not long before he was killed.

01:53:42.000 Kennedy gave a speech about how secrecy is repundant in the US.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, secret societies, yes.

01:53:49.000 And he said, are repundant in a free society and they challenge our democratic way of life and we shouldn't allow it.

01:53:55.000 You know?

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:56.000 Look where that got him.

01:53:58.000 Exactly.

01:53:59.000 Exactly.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, he was literally taking on secret societies.

01:54:02.000 Yeah.

01:54:03.000 I mean, he wanted to disband the CIA.

01:54:06.000 He had a lot of ideas.

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 Look, I hope that people involved with this at the CIA or at these defense contractors realize, like you said, they have a moment here to be the heroes of the story.

01:54:18.000 Yes.

01:54:18.000 And to spin it and just say, hey, we were taking on a job that no one else knew existed.

01:54:23.000 We were doing the best we could.

01:54:25.000 We thought we made good decisions.

01:54:27.000 Like any war, there's casualties of war, right?

01:54:31.000 But our intention was to do the best for the United States.

01:54:34.000 And we want to come out and tell everyone what we've learned in a safe way where we can share some information, educate the public with the base facts, and then keep the rest classified for national security reasons.

01:54:46.000 These people would all just be heroes.

01:54:49.000 They go down in history.

01:54:51.000 We would be stunned, though.

01:54:52.000 I mean, the United States, I think if the full extent, if these people are telling the truth, the full extent of this cover-up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled.

01:55:00.000 Like, whoa.

01:55:02.000 Like, they lied for so long.

01:55:04.000 They covered up so much.

01:55:06.000 And then there would be the anger at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger pointing.

01:55:11.000 And then there would be the very real problem of defense contractors getting access to back engineered equipment where other defense contractors were not.

01:55:21.000 So they would have an unfair advantage competitively.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:24.000 I mean, look, a bunch of defense contractors went out of business over the years.

01:55:29.000 You'd also have to, you know, look back at some of the older defense contractors that were given materials in the 40s and 50s and then got acquired by a Lockheed or Northrop.

01:55:38.000 Lockheed and Northrop have bought all of the smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over the years.

01:55:44.000 Yeah.

01:55:44.000 Really?

01:55:45.000 A bunch of them.

01:55:45.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 So those are the big ones.

01:55:47.000 Yeah.

01:55:48.000 Lockheed and Northrop?

01:55:49.000 Northrop, Raytheon, and so didn't they all have access?

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 Elements of them.

01:55:56.000 I mean, you can't look at, just like you can't look at the government as all one big entity.

01:55:59.000 You can't look at like, it's not like everybody at Lockheed Martin knows about human technology, right?

01:56:04.000 But there are people that are in control of that situation.

01:56:08.000 And this comes from multiple people I interviewed in my film.

01:56:13.000 They all said the exact same names.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:16.000 Jeez.

01:56:17.000 No, it's fascinating.

01:56:20.000 How much of a rabbit hole have you gone down on the remote viewing stuff?

01:56:20.000 Did you ever go down?

01:56:24.000 I've gone down a few rabbit holes.

01:56:26.000 It's fascinating what they have actually been able to do with it.

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:30.000 The how put off story, but the crashed Soviet craft that they found, that this remote viewer guy found like within a three-mile radius, located it exactly.

01:56:40.000 Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it.

01:56:42.000 Yeah.

01:56:42.000 There's audio of Jimmy Carter telling that story.

01:56:44.000 See if we can find that.

01:56:45.000 It's wild, man.

01:56:47.000 Yeah, we'll try to find that because that is pretty crazy.

01:56:51.000 The thing that I find the most fascinating about it, aside from just like it's real, is the connection with UAP.

01:56:58.000 And there are people who have had UAP encounters and then end up with these abilities for remote view.

01:57:06.000 And that is wild.

01:57:08.000 So it's a biological effect of an encounter.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:12.000 There's a big book that I've been a part of developing that's going to come out next year.

01:57:18.000 It's a memoir.

01:57:19.000 It's been publicized a little bit under a pseudonym.

01:57:22.000 Scott Andrews is the name, but that's not his real name.

01:57:25.000 He was an intelligence official who, as a kid, had a UAP encounter and then late in life had a medical issue that no one could explain.

01:57:39.000 And then they found that he had these amoebas in his body that should have killed him.

01:57:44.000 There was no reason why he should be alive.

01:57:46.000 And he had immediate brain surgery.

01:57:47.000 And after he had the brain surgery when he was healing, certain memories started to come back.

01:57:51.000 And all of a sudden, he was able to remote view.

01:57:54.000 And he didn't understand what he was doing.

01:57:56.000 He talked to some other intelligence officials who told him what you're doing is called remote viewing.

01:57:59.000 People are trained to do that.

01:58:01.000 But he was doing it like he had done it before.

01:58:03.000 Like Jason Bourne, like, you know, these skills are coming back, right?

01:58:06.000 And around that time, he found, when he was healing, he's out of the hospital.

01:58:12.000 He found a locked file cabinet in his father's office.

01:58:15.000 His father had passed away.

01:58:16.000 In the cabinet was a bunch of files about his life organized by the year.

01:58:20.000 And amongst the files were his enlistment paperwork in the U.S. Air Force as a child, like 12 or 13 years old, which is not legal.

01:58:29.000 And then his honorable discharge at 18.

01:58:31.000 And the service code was space intelligence communications.

01:58:35.000 And the base was the old Space Force base, like straight up real documents.

01:58:40.000 And then he went to his mother, who was still alive, and said, Do you know anything about this?

01:58:44.000 And she said, I don't know anything about it.

01:58:45.000 But she's like, Do you remember when you were a kid and you saw that UFO?

01:58:49.000 And he didn't really remember.

01:58:50.000 She starts jogging his memory.

01:58:51.000 She said, You saw this UFO come out of this lake, as it was a lake or a pond.

01:58:55.000 And he's like, I do.

01:58:58.000 Now I do remember.

01:58:58.000 She's like, remember, you ran home and you told me and dad.

01:59:01.000 And she said, all I know is the next day, those men from the Air Force came to talk to you with your dad.

01:59:06.000 And then I never heard anything else about it.

01:59:08.000 And so where this story goes is unpacking this connection between UAP encounters and, you know, while there's some biological effects that are bad, there are some that are also like, if you call it a gift, I don't know if you'd call it a gift or a curse, but like unlocking potential is a great way to put it.

01:59:26.000 And then the Air Force being, the story also unveils how on top of it the Air Force is.

01:59:31.000 So they went and recruited this young kid and his father to become part of a secret program where we still don't know exactly what he did, but he was used for this ability.

01:59:42.000 And the service code was Space Intelligence Communications.

01:59:46.000 And it's a wild story.

01:59:47.000 There's a lot more to it.

01:59:47.000 I could talk to you about it for like four hours, but it's one of the most mind-blowing stories ever.

01:59:53.000 This specific person is extremely high-ranking.

01:59:56.000 Like his resume reads like a movie character.

01:59:58.000 It's like, it's bonkers.

02:00:01.000 He's like, you know, at one point he was running like I don't remember the exact title, but essentially he was like running counterterrorism for North America.

02:00:10.000 He's like a really high-level dude.

02:00:13.000 And he ended up getting, because of his stature in the intelligence community, he ended up getting help from people in the Department of Defense to piece together this hidden past he has.

02:00:27.000 And he actually is in the process of getting approved for anonymous health injury status from the Secretary of Defense.

02:00:33.000 So this program that he was involved in as a child, does he have any recollection?

02:00:38.000 No recollection.

02:00:40.000 His wife was like a gumshoe detective about it. 1.00

02:00:43.000 She starts calling.

02:00:44.000 They see in the files there was records of days of school he missed, excused absences for huge periods of time.

02:00:53.000 I don't remember exactly whether it was weeks or months, but it was huge periods of time.

02:00:56.000 So his wife calls the school and starts digging and asks, you know, what was your policy back then?

02:01:02.000 Like, would someone have had to repeat a grade if they missed this much time?

02:01:05.000 And they said, absolutely.

02:01:06.000 Unless you had a really good reason or some sort of like serious medical excuse, like you would have been held back.

02:01:13.000 He was never held back.

02:01:15.000 He has no memory of missing all these days of school.

02:01:17.000 His friends that he grew up with don't remember it.

02:01:19.000 But there's all this documentation on it.

02:01:21.000 His friends don't remember him not being in school.

02:01:23.000 No, they inquired.

02:01:24.000 Yeah, totally weird.

02:01:25.000 Totally weird.

02:01:26.000 Totally weird.

02:01:30.000 So has he undergone hypnotic regression?

02:01:33.000 He hasn't done that.

02:01:34.000 He's been dealing with a lot of serious medical issues, like very serious, like almost almost dying multiple times from a lot of these.

02:01:44.000 The correct word, by the way, is parasites.

02:01:46.000 I think I said amoebas.

02:01:47.000 Parasites.

02:01:48.000 He had parasites in his body that almost killed him multiple times.

02:01:51.000 What kind of parasites?

02:01:53.000 There were seven different parasites that he and his doctor said his doctors told him would have killed him within a month.

02:01:59.000 I don't remember the exact names.

02:02:01.000 I wouldn't pretend to be a medical scientist or anything like that.

02:02:04.000 Does he have any suspicions as to how he acquired these parasites?

02:02:07.000 Yeah, he thinks that whatever program he was involved with did bizarre experiments.

02:02:12.000 That's what he thinks.

02:02:14.000 And he thinks that he was supposed to not remember any of this.

02:02:17.000 And when the parasite issues caused brain surgery, the memories came back.

02:02:23.000 Yeah.

02:02:24.000 And he ended up.

02:02:25.000 There's a lot more to the story after he started socializing what he was experiencing.

02:02:30.000 There were multiple attempts on his life that have been documented and investigated by real intelligence agencies.

02:02:37.000 He's like a serious dude.

02:02:38.000 And he's doing his tell-all memoir.

02:02:44.000 It's a really great book.

02:02:45.000 It's almost done.

02:02:45.000 And Simon Schuster is going to publish it next year.

02:02:48.000 So there's multiple attempts on his life because of which asked, does he have an understanding?

02:02:53.000 Like, was he threatened?

02:02:55.000 He thinks it's because what he was involved with was supposed to stay in the past.

02:02:58.000 He wasn't supposed to remember it.

02:02:59.000 When he was a child.

02:03:00.000 No one wanted to.

02:03:00.000 Yeah.

02:03:01.000 And so they want to kill him?

02:03:03.000 Doesn't that make it even more suspicious?

02:03:05.000 Well, depends on how you're.

02:03:06.000 Yeah.

02:03:06.000 No, probably not.

02:03:07.000 Probably not because they could just get away with it.

02:03:09.000 Yeah.

02:03:09.000 What kind of attempts on his life?

02:03:12.000 Directed energy weapons.

02:03:14.000 What?

02:03:15.000 Yeah.

02:03:16.000 Yeah.

02:03:17.000 Like the guy was having the actual symptoms of a directed energy weapon attack, and he knew what those circumstances were from his career.

02:03:27.000 He knew these were symptoms of that.

02:03:30.000 And a proper investigation was done by real authorities, and they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows and etching in the windows.

02:03:39.000 If a directed energy weapon goes through glass, it causes etching in the windows.

02:03:43.000 So they were literally physically targeting him with something from a drone, from some space?

02:03:48.000 Who knows?

02:03:48.000 I mean, these are like the list of questions that the story is.

02:03:51.000 So the idea is like, let's just give this guy cancer or just nuke him and take him out.

02:03:57.000 That's what it seems, yeah.

02:03:58.000 Because he's talking too much about this program.

02:04:00.000 That's what it seems.

02:04:00.000 And then if it comes out, we're fucked.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, that's what it seems.

02:04:04.000 Because probably what they did is highly illegal, especially if they did it to a child.

02:04:07.000 Well, I don't think you can legally enlist in the military when you're 2013.

02:04:13.000 He probably wasn't the only one.

02:04:14.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 And so if they do have someone told the ability to erase memory.

02:04:21.000 That's what it would seem.

02:04:22.000 Which also lines up with, you know, I talked to one of the stories that left out of the film.

02:04:26.000 I talked to the base commander from Rendlesham, the U.S. joint U.S.-UK base in the UK, where there was a huge UAP event in the 80s.

02:04:37.000 And the base commander told me on the record on camera that the day after the event, an airplane landed, people from the CIA and Air Force intelligence showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses.

02:04:52.000 And the base commander was told to leave the room.

02:04:54.000 He didn't know until years later that all those servicemen that experienced this, they were all told to share the details and they were given a drug.

02:05:03.000 I think it was called, is this correct?

02:05:05.000 Sodium penthiol.

02:05:06.000 Is that how you say it?

02:05:06.000 Pentothol?

02:05:07.000 Yeah, something.

02:05:08.000 That's the truth serum, right?

02:05:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:05:11.000 And they were given that to share what they experienced.

02:05:16.000 And then they were all asked if they'd ever been hypnotized.

02:05:18.000 And someone was there who hypnotized them.

02:05:21.000 As crazy as that sounds.

02:05:26.000 This is the base commander telling me this on camera to my face.

02:05:26.000 Wow.

02:05:32.000 He also said they took away something in crates the next day on this airplane.

02:05:36.000 And he never got clarity on what it was.

02:05:38.000 And the third thing that he revealed that I don't think anyone's ever talked about with Randlesham is he revealed that the day after the event, he went and talked to the people in the communications room where you know, the old school wires in the wall and stuff.

02:05:49.000 And the head of the communications on the base told him that the entire night of the event, while he was out in the woods dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown.

02:06:01.000 All lines were shut down except the direct line between the base and the White House, which it's called, I believe, I don't want to mess this up, but I believe it's called Flash Override, which is only used for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war.

02:06:16.000 So like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct line between the base and the president.

02:06:21.000 Whoa.

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:22.000 So one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time, hardest thing about making this movie, man, was my director's cut was like four hours and I had to get this down to something that was like consumable.

02:06:31.000 Did you ever think about making it like a Netflix thing or multi-piece?

02:06:35.000 I did.

02:06:36.000 I did think about it.

02:06:37.000 What about a director's cut?

02:06:38.000 Would you ever do that?

02:06:39.000 I'll think about doing that.

02:06:40.000 Or maybe let's do a sequel.

02:06:41.000 Maybe let's do a follow-up and put some of the stuff that is like a bridge too far into the next thing once the table's been done.

02:06:47.000 That sounds good.

02:06:49.000 This was the question I was going to get to with that.

02:06:50.000 You've worked on legitimate films.

02:06:52.000 Like not that this isn't legitimate, but you worked on some like big blockbuster Hollywood films.

02:06:52.000 Yeah.

02:06:57.000 Ready for that.

02:06:57.000 Yeah, man.

02:06:58.000 Ready Player One, amazing film.

02:06:59.000 I love that movie.

02:07:00.000 Thank you.

02:07:01.000 Are you locked into this kind of shit now?

02:07:03.000 Because here's the problem that happens when people start going down this rabbit hole.

02:07:07.000 It kind of consumes them.

02:07:09.000 Look, it's definitely been a consuming endeavor, this movie.

02:07:12.000 I mean, this thing has consumed my life for four years.

02:07:14.000 And I had to, you know, it's a whole nother conversation, but I had to make this movie in secrecy because at the offset, when I started getting real intelligent officials to lean in, they told me to my face, they were like, it's not in your best interest to promote the fact you're doing this.

02:07:27.000 Don't announce people doing it.

02:07:28.000 Don't let the world know about it until you put a trailer out.

02:07:31.000 There's going to be people who are going to try to cause problems for you.

02:07:33.000 So I had to make this in secrecy.

02:07:35.000 I ended up doing post out of my house, which my fiancé is a saint.

02:07:40.000 Allie Feinstein is a saint for putting up with that. 0.98

02:07:43.000 Did you have a crew at your house doing all the posts?

02:07:46.000 Yeah.

02:07:46.000 And it was all consuming.

02:07:50.000 And yes, this topic is a rabbit hole you become consumed with.

02:07:54.000 Look, I'm still going to do movies and TV shows that have nothing to do with UAP, for sure.

02:07:59.000 And I'm developing some.

02:08:01.000 And I think I'll probably make some next year.

02:08:03.000 But at the same time, I want to do more in this space and these adjacent spaces.

02:08:09.000 I'm doing, like I mentioned, Jay Stratton's book I'm working really hard on.

02:08:12.000 I'm also going to develop a series based on Jay Stratton's life, which is this remarkable 16-year rabbit hole of investigating non-human intelligent life and UAP for the U.S. government.

02:08:22.000 I'm working with some other people that are in my film on their life stories.

02:08:26.000 And then the book I just told you about, that crazy remote viewing story.

02:08:31.000 Yeah.

02:08:31.000 I'm developing a movie about that.

02:08:34.000 Oh, like a fiction, like a dramatization?

02:08:36.000 Like picture like the vibe of the insider, the Russell Crow Gino movie.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:41.000 But with that story.

02:08:42.000 Oh.

02:08:42.000 Like that kind of vibe.

02:08:43.000 Who do you want to play that guy?

02:08:44.000 Do you got someone in mind?

02:08:45.000 I have a few people in mind.

02:08:47.000 Don't want to say too soon.

02:08:49.000 There's a few people in wrong.

02:08:50.000 Russell Crowe.

02:08:51.000 Russell Crowe would be amazing for it.

02:08:52.000 And he's really into the topic.

02:08:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:54.000 He's really into it.

02:08:56.000 And he's only interested in doing interesting things now.

02:08:59.000 Yeah.

02:09:00.000 Yeah.

02:09:00.000 He's got all the money in the world.

02:09:02.000 He'd be amazing for it.

02:09:04.000 There's a lot of good ideas for that one.

02:09:07.000 But I do want to still do stuff outside this topic for sure.

02:09:11.000 I'm really fascinated with the remote viewing topic.

02:09:14.000 I think I have a desire to do, in the same way that The Age of Disclosure is the definitive doc on what we now know that can be lawfully disclosed about UAP and non-human intelligent life.

02:09:25.000 I really want to try to endeavor to do that version of the remote viewing story.

02:09:29.000 That would be amazing.

02:09:29.000 Like the super credible, non-sensational.

02:09:33.000 I mean, it's got the coolest setup.

02:09:35.000 Here's the setup for this thing.

02:09:36.000 So Hal Pudoff's working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s.

02:09:41.000 He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work.

02:09:46.000 His CIA handler, who's his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes into his office, knocks on the door, and says, We've got a problem we need your help with.

02:09:56.000 He says, What is it?

02:09:57.000 He says, Our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they're 10 years into where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia and they've trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases and our most secure facilities, and they're getting actionable intel.

02:10:16.000 Hal's, of course, like, holy shit, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard, right?

02:10:19.000 And the CIA guy says, Yes, you've got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD.

02:10:25.000 You've got X amount of time to catch up on their 10-year program.

02:10:28.000 We've got to beat them.

02:10:30.000 He then has to figure out how to go about finding people who have these abilities because it's not like Russia. 0.92

02:10:35.000 We just go round up a bunch of people and say, you're going to do this, right?

02:10:37.000 So he comes up with a clever system to bake into Army basic training, testing that can identify people with these skill sets.

02:10:46.000 And then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program.

02:10:49.000 You can help them sharpen their skill sets and you can train them to become remote viewers.

02:10:53.000 To me, that scene, it's like, it's like the Indiana Jones scene where the CIA comes in to Nana Jones and says, you know, what do you know about the Ark of the Covenant?

02:11:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:11:02.000 And we've got this situation we need your help with.

02:11:05.000 It's wild, man.

02:11:06.000 It's like the craziest setup of all time.

02:11:08.000 And it's fascinating.

02:11:09.000 And then the fact that they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on.

02:11:14.000 Like the CIA was running missions based on his Intel.

02:11:18.000 One day when I shopped, I did so many interviews with Hal, but one day when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours.

02:11:27.000 And I was like, all right, Hal, let's talk about Stargate.

02:11:29.000 And I grabbed like three hours of the entire Stargate story.

02:11:32.000 And it's fucking mind-blowing.

02:11:34.000 And all the specific little stories of action that were taken based on their intel, it is so wild and so compelling.

02:11:42.000 And then when Stargate, at the time, Stargate was a deeply hidden program, extremely secret, highly classified.

02:11:49.000 There was some leak, I think, that happened in the 90s where people heard about it.

02:11:52.000 And then essentially the government said, oh, it's not real.

02:11:55.000 It didn't work.

02:11:56.000 It was this thing we tried, you know?

02:11:57.000 And all they did is they just moved it to another agency.

02:12:02.000 As far as I've had so many people tell me of their awareness of active remote viewing programs.

02:12:07.000 Wow.

02:12:08.000 Yeah.

02:12:09.000 Have you tried to do it?

02:12:10.000 I have not tried to do it.

02:12:11.000 Why not?

02:12:12.000 But what I did try was someone remote viewing me in a specific place where I was.

02:12:21.000 And they sent me a picture that they sketched out that gave me fucking chills because they described exactly where I was standing when I was talking to them.

02:12:29.000 And I don't think they had cameras in my house, which is the obvious question, right?

02:12:34.000 Pretty wild.

02:12:35.000 And there's other stories that I've heard from intelligence officials that I've gotten close with because of the UAP topic.

02:12:41.000 People who became aware of the remote viewing situation and would tell me these just like little ancient old stories.

02:12:46.000 Like there was a, there was a, here's like a specific, there was a pen drive, like a little, you know, a little drive with some data on it that had some UAP data on it that an intelligence official literally dropped while hiking out of their pocket.

02:13:02.000 It was in their pocket and they dropped it.

02:13:05.000 And they used a remote viewer to help them find it, told them exactly where it was.

02:13:07.000 They went and found it.

02:13:09.000 It's crazy.

02:13:12.000 It's crazy.

02:13:12.000 But then you go and you listen to this clip of Jimmy Carter talking about how remote viewers were used to find this downed airplane.

02:13:18.000 And you're like, this guy was president of the United States.

02:13:20.000 I definitely found a transcript and an article, but I think this is audio and I hadn't been able to check it yet.

02:13:24.000 There is a documentary.

02:13:26.000 Let's see.

02:13:27.000 I tried to find a documentary.

02:13:28.000 There's a documentary called Third Eye Spy that has it as the opening of the described.

02:13:33.000 And inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is that one time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa.

02:13:43.000 We needed very much to find out where that plane had crashed.

02:13:48.000 And we were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites.

02:13:54.000 So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium.

02:14:06.000 And he contacted her, and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts.

02:14:18.000 And the next time one of our space satellites went over that area, we located the plane where she said it was.

02:14:26.000 By the way, that's not even the one I was thinking of.

02:14:28.000 He says it about a different thing about a plane without it.

02:14:30.000 I think it was Russia.

02:14:31.000 And he specifically says we went to the remote viewing program for one of the best remote viewers and they found it.

02:14:35.000 But that's crazy.

02:14:36.000 That's a sitting president.

02:14:37.000 Fucking Jimmy Carter talking about a psychic being used to.

02:14:37.000 Oh, right.

02:14:40.000 Yeah.

02:14:42.000 Do you think that that is an aspect of human consciousness that we used to be able to do?

02:14:49.000 I do.

02:14:50.000 And that we've lost it somehow?

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 I think there's just things we've evolved out of and things we've evolved into.

02:14:57.000 And I think that that's, you know.

02:14:59.000 Is that what they think as well?

02:15:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:02.000 Someone very involved in that topic for the government now told me the analogy they would make is it's like if you saw a basketball on the ground, anybody can pick the basketball up.

02:15:12.000 If there's a hoop there, they can throw it at it, right?

02:15:14.000 Right.

02:15:14.000 If you sat back and watched a line of 100 people do it, someone would look like clowns, some would be like, oh, this guy has signed potential.

02:15:21.000 And then, you know, one out of every however many, like thousand whatever, it'd be a Michael Jordan who's just like, boom, swish. 0.96

02:15:27.000 This guy's a fucking natural, right?

02:15:28.000 It's got this instinct.

02:15:29.000 So everyone can do it.

02:15:29.000 Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop.

02:15:32.000 And some people have a natural instinct to do it better.

02:15:35.000 And that's what they were trying to identify.

02:15:37.000 And that's what they do try to identify.

02:15:38.000 weird one is that people who have had encounters yeah so that's that to me is like like it breaks through some barrier that you have in your consciousness When they communicate with you, all of a sudden now you have this wall that has been downed that allows you to have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness.

02:15:58.000 Or it somehow heightens it, you know?

02:15:59.000 Yeah.

02:16:00.000 The biological effects are real.

02:16:02.000 So we don't, you know, we know about the bad ones like cancer, but maybe one of the other ones is it heightens this ability somehow.

02:16:09.000 Have you ever taken any time into consideration the possibility that human beings were a product of genetic engineering?

02:16:18.000 I mean, it's kind of impossible to go out in this rabbit hole and not have the thought of are we just all a big, is this a big experiment?

02:16:24.000 Right.

02:16:25.000 You know, and one day the experiment will end.

02:16:26.000 Or not even just an experiment, but an aiding in a process.

02:16:31.000 Like they recognize a process where there's bipedal hominids of various intelligence and they accentuate that. 0.92

02:16:39.000 Yeah.

02:16:40.000 And multiple different, probably multiple different attempts.

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 I mean, I've definitely thought about it and it would explain a lot.

02:16:49.000 Yeah.

02:16:49.000 There's all these missing gaps in our history.

02:16:51.000 Well, that's also the weirdness of the book of Enoch.

02:16:54.000 Yeah.

02:16:55.000 The book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come down from the sky and mate with women.

02:17:02.000 Well, that, if you told that story for a thousand years and the real story was they came down, they got a hold of human babies and human mothers and introduced genetics that were alien into these children.

02:17:02.000 Yeah.

02:17:19.000 That would be like they mated with women. 1.00

02:17:21.000 Yeah.

02:17:22.000 It would be kind of the same thing.

02:17:23.000 yeah you know and created well they talk about the nephilim giants who destroyed everything but that's kind of us Well, the other thing that makes me think of is a number of the people who've seen crafts, and it's Jay Stratton and Louisondo say it in the film that the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it.

02:17:41.000 Some kind of ancient writing.

02:17:44.000 And they actually, I didn't put it in the film, but they talked about how when they learned that to be a fact, they spent a ton of time researching ancient texts and trying to find a match.

02:17:57.000 And they couldn't find it.

02:17:58.000 And the closest thing they could find was some old biblical text.

02:18:04.000 But whose hieroglyphics were these?

02:18:06.000 What was that from?

02:18:07.000 Yeah.

02:18:08.000 It's wild, man.

02:18:09.000 How much would you give to see one?

02:18:12.000 Like, please, I'll stop making documentaries.

02:18:15.000 I won't talk to nobody.

02:18:16.000 I know.

02:18:16.000 Just show me.

02:18:18.000 Just take me into the hangar and show me this fucking thing.

02:18:21.000 That's what Spielberg says.

02:18:22.000 Spielberg says he's, you know, all these years, the guy made close encounters.

02:18:24.000 He made E.T., you know, War of the Worlds, TV shows about it.

02:18:29.000 And never seen one.

02:18:31.000 And, you know.

02:18:34.000 Have you had anything that you've ever seen that you thought was weird?

02:18:38.000 Yeah, yeah, I have.

02:18:40.000 Actually, out in Ojai, out in Hawaii, my fiancé and I were laying on a blanket while I was making this movie, looking at stars, and saw what looked like a satellite.

02:18:52.000 At first, I thought it was going slow, and then this thing just fucking rocketed off.

02:18:56.000 Way up there.

02:18:57.000 All it looked like was a star.

02:18:58.000 But it was not a star.

02:18:59.000 It was not a satellite because it moved super fast and just darted across the sky.

02:19:03.000 Out of nowhere.

02:19:04.000 Yeah, up right above the Topatopa Mountains in Ojai.

02:19:08.000 And then I actually, the next day, we said to the staff, we were on those little golf carts getting, drove across this hotel property, and we told them we saw.

02:19:15.000 And the guy goes, yeah, not going to lie, we see that stuff a lot out here.

02:19:18.000 I was like, wow, fascinating.

02:19:20.000 Yeah.

02:19:20.000 But that's the only thing I ever saw.

02:19:23.000 Other stuff where I'm like witnessing firsthand the craziness of this cover-up.

02:19:27.000 One of the interview subjects I had at my house in Los Angeles prepping for an interview, we're in the middle of, we're sitting in my living room.

02:19:34.000 I live in the suburbs of Los Angeles.

02:19:37.000 And what happened is not normal.

02:19:39.000 Heard a very loud helicopter, ran outside, had my phone on me, look up, and there's a black helicopter right above my house.

02:19:47.000 And the guy comes out of the house and looks up and then without missing a beat, I always remember this.

02:19:54.000 He's like, yeah, that'll happen.

02:19:56.000 I'm like, what?

02:19:57.000 What the hell did I just get into?

02:19:59.000 So they're essentially letting you know that they know?

02:20:02.000 Yeah, there's been a bunch of moments like that.

02:20:03.000 Like, yeah, letting you know.

02:20:06.000 That's the message.

02:20:07.000 I immediately asked people on the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Armed Services Committee about that, if I should be worried.

02:20:13.000 They were basically like, they're just letting you know that they're aware what you're doing.

02:20:17.000 It's them sending a message.

02:20:18.000 They're watching you.

02:20:19.000 Try not to cross any lines.

02:20:21.000 They're like, that happens to everybody on the intelligence committee.

02:20:24.000 I would imagine that those people, though, kind of want you to succeed.

02:20:28.000 In a weird way, I think they want you to succeed in a way where you're not crossing your lines.

02:20:32.000 And look, I went to Great Lane.

02:20:33.000 No one says anything classified on camera for me.

02:20:36.000 There's none of that.

02:20:37.000 I don't want to be on any part of that, right?

02:20:39.000 They only share what they lawfully can.

02:20:41.000 And I think that, you know, I assumed after that that every phone call and every email was being observed.

02:20:49.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:49.000 And not only did I assume that, but I was told to assume that.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:54.000 Yeah.

02:20:54.000 Sure.

02:20:54.000 The people on the, so there's a guy, I'll give him a shout out, John Estrich, who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff.

02:20:59.000 He was the senior staffer for Rubio.

02:21:01.000 He was the guy who really led the charge on looking into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff.

02:21:08.000 He was extremely supportive to me behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio and rounds.

02:21:19.000 Extremely helpful.

02:21:22.000 He often had that same kind of activity at his house every time you'd have an important meeting.

02:21:27.000 Yeah.

02:21:28.000 Yeah.

02:21:30.000 Oh, God.

02:21:32.000 That'll fucking put some holes in your sails.

02:21:35.000 Yeah.

02:21:35.000 You know, like, slow down.

02:21:37.000 Maybe I need to go back to Ready Player 2.

02:21:42.000 It's like, look at this.

02:21:44.000 We go develop an Oceans 11 type movie.

02:21:46.000 Yeah, I'm not interested in fucking helicopters being over my house.

02:21:49.000 No, there's been, there's been, look, there's a lot of people.

02:21:53.000 I don't want to go too into it, but as you can imagine, there's a lot of people that didn't, that wish this movie didn't exist.

02:21:59.000 I'm sure, yeah.

02:22:00.000 That wish I never made it.

02:22:01.000 Of course.

02:22:01.000 That tried to prevent it from getting released and went out of their way to cause problems.

02:22:05.000 There's a lot of people that fit that description.

02:22:07.000 And I became aware of a lot of them.

02:22:10.000 I became aware of a lot of those concerns.

02:22:12.000 And I just kind of like just kind of put blinders on and like, you know, had tunnel vision.

02:22:18.000 I was like, all right, I'm not doing anything illegal.

02:22:20.000 I'm not going to do anything that's bad for the United States.

02:22:23.000 I think it's good for the United States.

02:22:23.000 I'm not.

02:22:25.000 Yeah, I think that film is good for just human beings overall.

02:22:30.000 It's really important, man, and I'm glad you did it.

02:22:32.000 It was really excellent.

02:22:34.000 Thank you.

02:22:34.000 I'm glad I got to see it at South by Southwest.

02:22:36.000 And I was like, man, this has got to get distributed.

02:22:39.000 Like, how does this get out there?

02:22:40.000 Yeah.

02:22:41.000 You know, despite South by, we did two screenings, 1,100 seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines around the block.

02:22:47.000 The trailer I put out in January quickly got like 20 million views.

02:22:51.000 Despite that, all the major distributors and major streamers, they watched it, they loved it, they said all these great things, but then they didn't end up, they didn't end up moving forward.

02:23:02.000 And, you know, I don't think it's naive to think that other parties, you know, might have discouraged people.

02:23:11.000 Yes, I would imagine that.

02:23:13.000 How can people watch it?

02:23:14.000 So on Friday the 21st, which is tomorrow.

02:23:18.000 Which is tomorrow, or today when this drops.

02:23:21.000 It'll drop today.

02:23:22.000 It's today for people listening and watching.

02:23:22.000 Today.

02:23:24.000 Today, February 21st.

02:23:25.000 Jesus, February.

02:23:26.000 Today, November 21st.

02:23:29.000 They've got an amoeba in your brain, bro.

02:23:32.000 Today, November 21st, worldwide on Prime Video.

02:23:36.000 You can rent it.

02:23:37.000 You can buy it.

02:23:39.000 I made subtitles for every single major language.

02:23:42.000 It's available in every single country around the world where Prime Video is available.

02:23:46.000 And you can also see it in the movie theater in New York, Los Angeles, and D.C.

02:23:50.000 And I really encourage everyone in the world to watch this thing and make it a conversation with their friends and family.

02:23:55.000 I think it's the most interesting conversation you can have around Thanksgiving dinner next week, you know?

02:23:58.000 It is really good, man.

02:23:59.000 And you should be very proud of it.

02:24:01.000 And I hope it gets distributed even wider after the success of the Amazon Prime thing because I think it's going to take off.

02:24:07.000 Thank you.

02:24:08.000 Yeah, I hope that's the case.

02:24:10.000 And then, yeah, I do think there'll be a follow-up.

02:24:12.000 Do have a follow-up, baby.

02:24:14.000 Come back.

02:24:14.000 And definitely if you do a remote viewing one, too.

02:24:17.000 I want to hear about more.

02:24:18.000 Hell yeah.

02:24:19.000 Thank you very much for being here, man.

02:24:20.000 It was awesome.

02:24:21.000 And your documentary is really, really excellent.

02:24:23.000 Thank you, bro.

02:24:23.000 I appreciate it.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 21, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2416 - Dan Farah

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