In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the host talks with filmmaker Dan Silverman about his new documentary, "The Deeply Hidden Legacy" about the secret government program that has been running for decades in secrecy.
00:00:48.000Yeah, it's a real weird one when you see all these like high-level government employees talking about secret access programs and back engineering programs that have been going on for decades and decades in secrecy.
00:01:00.000And you're like, your documentary did a fantastic job of highlighting a couple of reasons why I always, when people are skeptical and they go, okay, if there was a program like this, why wouldn't they just tell us?
00:01:13.000You have to really understand the consequences of what they've done.
00:01:17.000Because what they've done is lied to Congress for a long time.
00:01:20.000It's a misappropriation of funds, clear felonies.
00:01:25.000Lie to the public, lie to Congress, lied to sitting presidents.
00:01:52.000Everyone I've talked to who's aware of the details of the Deeply Hidden Legacy program says that it's at least over a trillion dollars spent since the 40s.
00:03:59.000My whole life, I'm like, are we alone in the universe?
00:04:02.000Does the U.S. government know more about this than we do, right?
00:04:05.000And I always wish that there was a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of the topic as a result of work for the government.
00:04:12.000And that was the real drive of making this film.
00:04:16.000Here's the fear that everyone has, including myself.
00:04:18.000And this is the main fear that I have whenever I sit down with any whistleblower.
00:04:25.000How many of them are on purpose, that their directive, that their objective is to spread misinformation on purpose, on behalf of the government?
00:04:36.000That they're there to just bullshit you.
00:04:40.000But for me, I stopped worrying about that when I met one intelligence official, government official, military official after another, who had completely different ideological views, different political beliefs.
00:04:55.000They weren't associated with each other, and they were all saying the same thing.
00:05:01.000The alternative to everything these people are saying in my film being true is that 34 people of different political parties, different government groups with different aspirations all got together four years ago and decided to tell this elaborate lie randomly with me in a movie.
00:06:01.000But in this case, you have the people like Rubio who found out what's going on, who think it is very urgent that the public get caught up and find out the base facts.
00:06:12.000His biggest fear, clearly, is we are in a high-stakes technology race, a Cold War race with adversarial nations like China to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin.
00:06:23.000And his fear, he literally says in the film, is that if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're going to wake up one day.
00:06:30.000We're going to find out the hard way that China got there.
00:06:32.000We won't know when or how, but to quote him, we will be screwed.
00:06:58.000He goes on, he comes out and does the interview and he told me, excuse me, he told me that he was doing it because it was important to do and that the people needed to know.
00:07:07.000And he drops the bomb in the film that UAP activity over AF1 is real.
00:07:13.000And he goes on the record saying that the Air Force has had a program to investigate this stuff, whereas the Air Force is saying they haven't had a program since Project Blue Book.
00:07:21.000So I think the people that I interviewed really felt like a weight on their shoulders to get this off their chest.
00:07:28.000And to give you more context on Clapper, the poor guy's wife was in the hospital dying.
00:07:32.000He left the hospital to come do the interview.
00:07:35.000And I actually said to him, I was like, are you sure you want to do this today?
00:07:43.000These people all felt like the public needed to know the base facts that they could lawfully disclose.
00:07:48.000To me, the more wild thing is if this is if what they reveal in this film, the fact that there's been an 80-year cover-up of non-human intelligent life, that we're in a secret high-stakes race with adversarial nations, if that's what they can lawfully disclose, dude, what's on the other side of that line?
00:09:35.000In terms of crafts, one of the interviews in the film that I'm really proud of, an Air Force security guard who worked at Vanderburg Air Force Base, who's never gone public, witnessed with his own eyes, along with five other security forces members, a giant UAP the size of a football field that came over Vanderburg Air Force Base, hovered over them, and then shot off at thousands of miles an hour.
00:11:06.000If you have footage of a fucking UFO, a real one, and you really have a video of it going thousands of miles an hour, just disappearing into the sky.
00:11:15.000I mean, I don't think any government or organization or religion, anyone should be able to gatekeep these fundamental facts, you know?
00:11:22.000I know, but the problem is until you see it, it's just talk.
00:11:25.000You know, if you saw it and you know that you know the chain of command, like where it came from, or a chain of custody, rather, where it came from, it hasn't been molested, have analysts tested, it's not AI, it's not bullshit, it's not edited.
00:11:42.000But until then, like, what do we have?
00:11:43.000We have the GoFast footage, we have the gimbal footage, and we have the very kind of grainy, weird TikTok footage.
00:11:51.000It's hard to tell what it is because you're looking at it from the instrumentation of the fighter jets.
00:11:55.000Yeah, but there is also other, there is also other data on the TikTok incident that's classified that shows this is a real object that was really there.
00:12:29.000Sighting occurred around 8.45 a.m., followed by a second sighting only hours later.
00:12:34.000He said witnesses provided him with information about the mysterious incidents as they held onto official documentation and records from the event over the years.
00:12:42.000And so later that night, there was a year later in the evening post-sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base, including some aggressive behaviors.
00:14:01.000Yeah, I mean, if you see something like that.
00:14:02.000Totally humbling and also, you know, eye-opening.
00:14:07.000There's several people in the film, military guys, who talk about what they experienced and saw on military bases, especially nuclear bases.
00:14:18.000Which goes back to one of the biggest concerns the leaders in my film have.
00:14:24.000Almost all the activities over our nuclear weapon sites and military bases.
00:14:29.000Our defense capabilities and our nuclear progress essentially are being monitored.
00:14:57.000They've been monitoring us a long time, but now we've evolved to be dangerous.
00:15:01.000And we're either at, through secret programs, their level, or we're about to be.
00:15:05.000And then that's when you get to a crossroad.
00:15:07.000So I think that's one of the things driving officials like Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand and Jay Stratton to come out and say what they legally can because it's a set of circumstances that the human population really needs to know about.
00:15:22.000And then it's become a humanitarian issue.
00:15:49.000It seems like human beings have an insatiable desire to innovate and create better technology.
00:15:57.000And that seems to be leading us into AI and seems to be leading us into probably what connects us with the rest of the universe, the rest of the intelligence of the universe.
00:16:08.000But the stuff that got us here is being these territorial apes.
00:16:13.000You know, that's why we developed cities and that's why we developed agriculture and that's why we had enough free time to innovate.
00:16:20.000We had enough free time to invent things and change things.
00:16:23.000But our nature is really what holds us back because we're still constantly warring.
00:16:40.000It's like there's so much chaos and death going on in the world because of human beings and the decisions that they're making that if I was an intelligent life species from somewhere else, I'd be very concerned.
00:16:50.000Yeah, I'd be like, here's this group of monkeys on a trajectory.
00:17:17.000And what do you think that technology consists of?
00:17:20.000I have been completely convinced by multiple members of the intelligence community, the military, senior leaders in government, people who are running the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who sits on the White House National Security Council, that our country has recovered dozens, dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin and done so since the 40s.
00:17:44.000And there has been success reverse engineering elements of this technology.
00:17:48.000And the same thing has been happening in China and Russia.
00:17:54.000It is referred to as the atomic race on steroids.
00:17:58.000And I am completely convinced of that.
00:18:02.000And the contractors that, the defense contractors that people like Jay Stratton and Luell Zondo and people on the Senate Intel Committee have told me are involved are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Battelle, big companies that have a lot of resources and are advancing this technology, but it's all so classified and so deeply hidden that it hinders progress.
00:18:29.000And the fear that if this technology got out, it'd be used by bad actors to create weapons of mass destruction has sort of prevented the scientific progress that could be better for mankind, that could be good for mankind.
00:18:41.000Like this technology, to quote Hal Putoff in the film, he says, this is the key to interstellar travel.
00:18:48.000This is the key to exploring the galaxy.
00:18:51.000This is the key to things that sound like science fiction, like teleportation, all these things that could just revolutionize humanity and the trajectory of our species are being held back out of the fear that the technology will be used for evil, right?
00:19:10.000I gotten very close with him and he makes a really fascinating guy.
00:19:14.000He's the most interesting person I've ever met in my life.
00:19:18.000He makes a great point in the film of saying he believes, despite the risks this technology could be used for bad, he believes we should make it known and make it a humanitarian issue of how we all collectively go about safely using this technology to change the world for the better and avoid destruction.
00:20:10.000Rubio and Rounds and Gillibrand, three of the most senior leaders in our government, talk very openly about their concern about China and them getting ahead of us on reverse engineering this technology.
00:20:26.000Rounds very animatedly says in the film: Do you think for one second that they wouldn't use this technology for their domination if they didn't think we had access to the same technology?
00:20:41.000How is everybody getting these crashed UFOs?
00:20:48.000One of the unexpected things I learned in talking to sources, like real credible people, is that some of the crashes were actual crashes where just, you know, crashes happen, just like they do for, you know, you can drive as safe as possible, fly as safe as possible, crashes are going to happen.
00:21:05.000But some of them were actually caused by elements of our military intelligence community and elements of foreign military intelligence community people.
00:21:16.000So like one of the realizations early on was that atomic weapon test, nuclear weapon testing, atomic weapon testing has a ripple effect that can down these things.
00:21:30.000Especially high altitude nuclear testing, which is one of the things that they did in the 1950s in particular.
00:21:35.000Yeah, and so they started doing it to like shoot fish in a barrel basis.
00:22:27.000I mean, I've talked off the record with admirals and sub-commanders and been told that these giant football-sized crafts that were seen over Vanderburg, for example, have been seen under the ocean.
00:22:51.000So it starts to make you think, like, not only was Spielberg tipped off early on, but maybe James Cameron was too.
00:22:56.000Maybe the Abyss is a lot closer to reality than we ever thought.
00:22:59.000Well, there's always stories about things coming from the ocean.
00:23:02.000And there was always stories of people that lived in the Pacific, like on the coast, of seeing things come out of the ocean, particularly somewhere around San Diego.
00:23:10.000There's always stories around the world.
00:23:12.000Congressman Carson, Andre Carson, who's on the House Intelligence Committee and on the House committee for the CIA, he goes on the record in the film saying that these UAP that come out of the ocean are otherworldly things.
00:23:27.000He says they are not man-made aircraft.
00:23:32.000These are otherworldly things, he says.
00:23:34.000And that's a significant, that was a significant moment for me when he went on the record and said that.
00:23:38.000And I think it's going back to the nuclear stuff, it's scary to think that anyone thought it was a good idea to intentionally take down the aircraft of a more intelligent species.
00:24:07.000Starfish Prime, where they were blowing holes through the Van Allen radiation belts.
00:24:11.000They were just launching nuclear bombs into space.
00:24:14.000Well, I'll tell you something that I don't think people know about, but the UAP Task Force, which Jay Stratton ran, they put in place, based on that data of the connection with nukes, they put together a plan to lure in UAP with nuclear elements, so nuclear aircraft carrier with some nuclear weapons on it.
00:24:39.000And they had all these data collection systems in place, and it worked.
00:24:59.000And, you know, we shouldn't think that that was the only time they did that.
00:25:02.000Well, I would imagine, you know, they probably saw the testing, the stupid shit we did in the ocean, the fact that, like, we were talking about this last night.
00:25:11.000John Wayne did a terrible movie called Genghis Khan.
00:25:21.000And so did almost, like, I think it was like close to 100 people on the set.
00:25:25.000Some very large number of people on the set got cancer because they did this all downwind from where the government was detonating nuclear bombs.
00:25:33.000They filmed it all in Nevada in the desert.
00:25:49.000Nevada just boom, And if I was from another planet, I'd be like, that's when I would start going, oh, my God, these idiots, not only do they have it, but they're just blowing them up in the ocean.
00:26:01.000No consideration for the fish, the whales, the dolphins, whatever the fuck happens to be there when they drop that thing down.
00:26:35.000But what happens if one day you come in and the other security guards say, hey, last night the gorilla got out of his cage, walked around the park, was playing with the gun cabinet, and then he went back in his cage.
00:26:45.000You're like, all right, that's concerning.
00:27:02.000So it's like, we'll take the gun out of his hand, we'll put it back, we'll change the lock and all stuff, right?
00:27:06.000But then what happens if it evolves to a place where sometime later you come out of your house on a Sunday, you're not even going to work, you got your daughter's hand in your hand, and the gorilla is standing on your front lawn with a shotgun.
00:27:15.000Then you've got to make a choice really quick, right?
00:27:17.000Like, do I just take this thing out or do I try to communicate with it and risk my daughter getting shot?
00:27:23.000And this analogy has been used with me multiple times to describe the dynamic we have with non-human intelligent life and the situation we're barreling towards.
00:27:49.000You know, look, a couple of people in the film reveal that some of the UAP activity we see is non-human intelligent life, but some of it is reverse engineered craft from our program, the legacy program, and some from adversaries.
00:28:02.000So I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize.
00:28:08.000I don't think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress.
00:28:18.000Yeah, God, I would love to know what it is that they've done and whether the Tic Tac is one of ours.
00:28:34.000And also, if it was man-made, that would mean that someone cracked a new energy source that far back, which is like, what, 20 years at this point, right?
00:28:46.000And has never used it to benefit our country or another country, to solve the energy crisis, to make a superior craft that we've seen used.
00:28:57.000It's just hard to believe that no one would use that to fuel their economy.
00:29:01.000I mean, it'd be like a total restart of everything if you had that technology.
00:29:10.000I mean, the craft, that Tic Tac was going from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is space, and hovering in space, going back down, hovering at sea level, and doing this for hours.
00:29:25.000One of the scientists who was involved in one of the UAP programs for the government in my film does the math and says the energy required to do that is the electrical output of the entire United States for, you said, a week, some stupid amount of energy required.
00:29:41.000I think it's even more than a week, but yeah, I remember him saying that.
00:30:14.000Everyone I talk to who has real visibility to the crash retrieval program says the non-human bodies that have been recovered in some of these crafts all look different.
00:30:57.000Well, I've also heard multiple military people talk about little beings that almost look like E.T. little bots that don't don't seem sentient, that seem like they're they're almost like like a robot.
00:31:21.000I would imagine if you get to genetic engineering and when there's cyborgs and you integrate technology with this genetic engineering, you're going to be able to create workers.
00:31:33.000That's what many people have thought the grays are.
00:31:35.000There's small grays that are, they're more in like a workforce capacity.
00:32:01.000The other reason I am extremely convinced that this situation is entirely real is the access I got when making the film was really at an unprecedented level.
00:32:12.000Like I got very close with the leadership of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.
00:32:22.000And some of the people that I met through them were actually involved in recovery programs and were going to do interviews and then ultimately decided not to and that they thought they thought it would cost them their lives.
00:32:38.000Two people used the same words with me actually.
00:33:19.000But it also was another sign how real all this is.
00:33:24.000Without naming any names, is there anything that you couldn't talk about in the film that you could tell us?
00:33:30.000Without quoting anybody or pinning it on anybody?
00:33:34.000Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I learned off the record.
00:33:39.000Hopefully it all comes out and people can legally talk about it at some point.
00:33:43.000Can you tell me that I know there's been multiple contact events, like straight-up native content?
00:33:49.000Yeah, like straight-up contact events.
00:33:51.000One of them is revealed in the film, actually, but there are more.
00:33:54.000There was this several people in my film talk about an event that happened at Helleman Air Force Base where two non-human crafts approached the base, one landed, beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials.
00:34:08.000And a couple people go on the record talking about that in the film.
00:34:10.000But there have been other events I've been told.
00:34:14.000They were described as tall, slender, humanoid.
00:34:19.000And another thing that I heard that gave me chills was that someone involved with a recovery interacted with a non-human being that was dying and heard thoughts in his head that said, you humans don't know your full potential.
00:34:44.000And that was said to me by a very senior, older guy from the intelligence community.
00:34:50.000And I thought that was pretty incredible.
00:34:55.000Also, just the extent to which the legacy program is real.
00:34:58.000It's not, this isn't like 50 guys sitting in a quiet, dark room.
00:35:02.000You're talking about a massive program with thousands of people going to work every day and dealing with this.
00:35:25.000And, you know, we had a similar dynamic for the Manhattan Project.
00:35:29.000There were always people working on it, and they kept it secret, right?
00:35:32.000And their neighbors and friends didn't know, but this is that on steroids.
00:35:35.000You know, after the Manhattan Project, which had a budget in the billions, this situation arose, and it had to be even more secret than the Manhattan Project because the Manhattan Project we found out in hindsight leaked, right?
00:36:49.000And when he talks about it, it sounds exactly like what people are talking about today, which is really bananas.
00:36:58.000Because this is late 1980s, and he's the first guy to crack through with this stuff.
00:37:03.000Everything is so, in that secret program, everything is so siloed out where you could have one team of defense contractors working on one thing.
00:37:10.000They're not even told it's from an alien spacecraft.
00:37:16.000And they're just kept in a little bubble.
00:37:20.000And one of the issues now is that everything's become so overclassified and so siloed that it's actually hurting progress.
00:37:30.000And that's a lot of the scientists in my film are voicing that.
00:37:33.000And one of the other things I learned recently that isn't in the film, Jay Stratton, who ran the UAP Task Force, he told me that during that time, he had started a talk with one of the senior scientists at Lockheed, who was frustrated by how overclassified everything was.
00:37:54.000It even made it hard for the defense contractors to get the right manpower and brains on it because not everyone can be cleared to do the work, right?
00:38:05.000There's all these red tape hurdles to progress, right?
00:38:07.000And so they had made a plan to move one of the crafts that had been recovered that was in Lockheed's possession into the possession of the UAP task force.
00:38:17.000And then the task force was going to be able to put more brain power towards it.
00:38:21.000And then the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer.
00:38:27.000They had actually secured a hangar on a military base and prepped it to be a classified hangar that would hold this craft.
00:39:23.000And there's a ton of problems for the next generation of engineers and scientists to solve, you know?
00:39:30.000And so hopefully it inspires them and helps us make progress because there's a lot of progress that could be made here.
00:39:37.000Well, it certainly seems like it, but it's like one of the things that you guys propose in the film that I think maybe the only way forward is some sort of a mass amnesty to all these people that did lie to Congress and probably misappropriated funds and maybe stolen a little bit here and there.
00:39:54.000Like if that doesn't happen, no one is going to push to make this public.
00:40:00.000No one's going to push for like actual full disclosure because it leaves them too exposed.
00:40:05.000And if they do have the kind of power that they must have to be running an organization of thousands of people working on something with unbelievable amounts of money being transferred to these programs, they don't want to let that go.
00:40:27.000And you'd have to, you'd have to have some national security amnesty program saying, look, in the interest of national security, it's critically important that we get all of our best people working on this.
00:40:40.000The only way we're ever going to really do that is to completely reveal that this is actual, really, this is actually really happening.
00:40:50.000This is real crafts from somewhere or something.
00:40:56.000And let's, I think right now, people wouldn't even freak out because I would think that people would freak out if there was some sort of official narrative of disclosure.
00:41:06.000But that's sort of been breached, right?
00:41:08.000The New York Times breached that in 2017.
00:41:12.000This film is for incredible people putting their reputation and name on the line, which I honestly, Joe, I think it's more, it's stronger evidence than any video or photo.
00:41:21.000These days, you could put a 4K video of a giant craft over Vanderburg and half the human population will say it's AI or creating some visual effects program.
00:41:29.000But someone of note, putting their name and reputation on the line, their career on the line, the rest of their lives on the line to say this is what I know to be true, to me, that's the greatest evidence that exists.
00:41:42.000But I do think, to your point, amnesty is something that's going to have to be figured out because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, right?
00:41:57.000It does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture.
00:42:17.000Is he in favor of some sort of an amnesty program as well?
00:42:20.000Yeah, he says on camera in the film, he's like, I'm not trying to punish anyone.
00:42:24.000I need to know what they learned because taxpayers paid for this, and it's in our interest to know what's going on.
00:42:30.000But the other thing that's needed is real whistleblower protection, not the whistleblower protection that's been passed so far, like much stronger legal protection so that people like, you know, like the folks I talked to, the special forces guys I talked to, were going to come forward and then decided they thought to be forfeiting their lives.
00:42:51.000You've got to change that set of circumstances.
00:42:53.000You've got to make those people feel like that's not going to happen to them.
00:42:58.000And what I think ultimately is going to have to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised, man, if it happens soon after the film comes out, I think a sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe.
00:43:10.000We have recovered technology of non-human origin.
00:43:44.000He has not watched the film, but I know he's very aware of it.
00:43:47.000And I know that they are discussing internally how they're going to react to the film publicly.
00:43:55.000And I also know that he has recently, very recently, tasked Tulsi Gabbert with getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know.
00:44:15.000And he goes into detail on how that's been done and how it's the career bureaucrats at certain elements of the government that control this information and just wait presidents out and don't feel like they have a need to know.
00:44:35.000There was someone that talked about it on record and said he was told at every turn that you don't have the clearance.
00:44:41.000But here's the thing: Trump actually found out about the base facts in his last presidency and was contemplating stepping to the microphone then.
00:44:53.000So Jay Stratton, who ran the task force, he says on camera in my film that he briefed that Mnuchian, the Secretary of Treasury, asked for a briefing on the lay of the land because Trump asked him to get the briefing.
00:45:12.000And Trump had already known that the base facts that we're not alone in the universe, that there's been recovery of crash craft, right?
00:45:23.000And he told Mnuchin that he was thinking about going public.
00:45:26.000And so Mnuchian reached out to Stratton to get a briefing.
00:45:29.000And he told Stratton that the reason he wanted the briefing is because he needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy if the president decided to step to the mic and tell the world we're not alone.
00:45:39.000Stratton tells the story on camera in the film.
00:45:42.000And I've heard a lot more about it off camera.
00:45:44.000So we know Trump contemplated doing this already.
00:45:47.000Now I think the release of this film and Rubio's involvement puts enough on the table that it makes it easier for him to do.
00:45:58.000I think they would have to have some sort of a plan in place if they were going to say that, right?
00:46:02.000Like the amnesty plan, the idea behind it would have to be in place if somebody or at least grab control of the situation and say that this is real and the U.S. intends to lead the way.
00:46:11.000Because the other factor that the White House has to keep in mind is you don't want she or Putin being the guy to do that.
00:46:23.000You know, something I always think about with regards to that moment of a president stepping to the mic, when we entered the space race, Kennedy gave that big famous speech, right?
00:46:31.000He was like, we're going to lead in space.
00:46:34.000Technology, like, you know, space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own.
00:46:39.000It's up to man to use it for good or bad.
00:46:41.000And we're going to make sure it's used for the betterment of all mankind.
00:47:49.000I think it's impossible to operate in space like he does and not be aware of everything.
00:47:53.000And also at the level he operates clearance-wise.
00:47:57.000I held a secret screening at the National Space Symposium earlier this year, which is the Super Bowl of the space industry.
00:48:04.000It's like 60 people, heavy hitters from the space industry.
00:48:07.000We didn't promote it or publicize it at all, but there were a dozen guys from SpaceX there, and they all seem very aware of everything revealed in the film.
00:49:04.000If he could be the guy that blows the lid off of it, that would definitely help with his legacy, too, which I think would be a good way to convince him.
00:49:12.000And also that the people would be excited about it.
00:49:15.000You know, it's just, I think there's probably a lot of forces that we're not totally aware of that would fight very hard to keep this from being revealed.
00:49:25.000You know, there's a lot of people whose reputations would probably be in jeopardy.
00:49:29.000A lot of people that may never get trusted again, even if they get amnesty, if there's any evidence of impropriety, any evidence of embezzlement, which I can't imagine there's not some fucking funny money flying around here and there.
00:50:28.000You know, I think I really, I'm excited to see what happens on the other side of this release because I think it's going to awaken the public.
00:50:35.000I do think they're going to make a ton of demand on elected leaders and representatives to go take this more seriously.
00:50:41.000And it's going to put pressure on the White House.
00:50:42.000People have never seen someone like Rubio step up and say what he says in the film.
00:50:47.000The only thing about Rubio, you got to remember, he's also the national security advisor.
00:50:50.000And that's never happened in the history of the United States other than Henry Kissinger for two years.
00:50:54.000This guy's in a very powerful position, very influential position, and aware of a lot more than he was even when he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee as a senator.
00:51:53.000I think there's too much money involved.
00:51:55.000And you've got to think about it like a criminal organization, because if you turn them into criminals, they're going to act like criminals.
00:52:02.000If you say, hey, you might go to jail for the rest of your fucking life because you lied to Congress, and now we know you did.
00:52:08.000And there's $250 million that your company got and $300 million this company got over the course of X amount of years.
00:52:20.000And then if you make them criminals, they're going to act like criminals.
00:52:25.000I think you're dealing with people that have enormous amounts of money and probably they make weapons.
00:52:29.000They probably don't have the most respect for life.
00:52:34.000If there's a real discussion where it makes it look like it's their idea as well, that they have this obligation to the American people.
00:52:43.000They were held under secrecy for so long.
00:52:46.000But now, through this administration and through this openness that we've all decided through the scientific community, we're going to release this shit.
00:53:52.000Where would we be 24 years later if we had real disclosure from the White House?
00:53:56.000So for people that didn't see the documentary yet or watched the podcast with me and how put off, what he said was it was him and a bunch of other thought leaders, and they were all brought together with a numerical value for pros and cons related to disclosure.
00:54:11.000So basically they said to them, we have acquired crafts that are not of this world and we have biological entities that are not of this world.
00:54:22.000We want to know if we disclose to the general public that alien life is real, what would be the negative impacts on our society, on our government, on our religion, on our economy, every element of society.
00:54:36.000And they put a numerical value to everything.
00:54:37.000And overwhelmingly, all the people asked had way more con than pro.
00:54:43.000And they determined it was a bad idea?
00:54:55.000Well, at least I don't think really the fate.
00:54:58.000I think what it did was just retard everything.
00:55:00.000It just slowed the growth of access to this.
00:55:04.000And I really give the New York Times a lot of credit because I think publishing in 2017 that piece that they did on the front page was so huge because the New York Times is arguably the most respected newspaper in the world.
00:55:19.000And for them to address it like it's a real issue.
00:55:21.000And like these pilots are seeing these things.
00:55:24.000They're behaving in ways that don't make any sense with propulsion that we do not understand.
00:55:46.000And it's helped us get us where we are now.
00:55:49.000And I don't think the mainstream media support I'm getting for this film right now, I don't think it would have happened if it wasn't for that.
00:55:57.000I think the Times article was the, that burst the membrane and allowed more data to come.
00:56:03.000It's just more rational discourse about it because I think before then it was just so dismissed and so ridiculed and you just didn't want to be attached to it because you were a fool.
00:56:13.000You'd have to be a fool to be considering it.
00:56:15.000But the Times still is one of those legacy media outlets that still hedges their bets.
00:56:20.000Like that article, you know, the original headline, I think, was we're not alone in the universe.
00:56:25.000And they changed it to, you know, I think it was like black projects and hidden money or something like that.
00:56:42.000If we open ourselves to the possibility that these advanced aircraft penetrating our nuclear weapons sites and our military bases are China, that's fucking terrifying.
00:56:51.000And that should be the biggest issue of our time, hands down.
00:56:56.000Because we know the intention of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:57:40.000And the public was outraged and said, we got to throw money and resources at counterterrorism.
00:57:45.000Every elected representative was beating that drum.
00:57:47.000We started the director of national intelligence position so that the agencies would all share information and you would minimize the chance of intelligence gaps, right?
00:57:55.000And we threw tons of appropriate funds towards counterterrorism.
00:57:59.000We now spend more money on counterterrorism than we even need to.
00:58:02.000And his point was he hopes it doesn't take something bad happening on this front, like China cracking this technology in a way we haven't and then using it against us, or non-human intelligent life taking an action that isn't favorable to us before we then throw resources towards it.
00:58:21.000And it's essentially the same thing Rubio said.
00:58:24.000They think we need to get ahead of this problem, not wait for it to happen and then react to it.
00:58:29.000I mean, it would be a horrible loss, both in terms of our national pride of being the innovators and being at the head of technology.
00:58:43.000If China came out and said, we've cracked this, we have UFOs that we've back-engineered, and now we can fly them around, and we can go visit other solar systems.
00:58:57.000If we realized that there had been a bunch of people that were working on this stuff the whole time, but they had been handcuffed by all the secrecy and that this had all been done with defense contractors and lying to Congress, it'd be a fucking national disaster.
00:59:15.000I really legitimately think a lot of the people in my film stepped up because they don't want to be a left hole in the bag and have people saying, Why didn't you say something sooner?
00:59:23.000I really think this is going to cover your butt because it's that close.
00:59:27.000So, when people talk about the successful back engineering of these things, what are they saying?
00:59:34.000Are they saying that they can fly around Earth?
00:59:38.000Are they saying they can go outside of Earth's atmosphere and go into deep space with these things?
00:59:43.000Like, what have they said we are currently able to do with these back-engineered crafts that we've supposedly people that I can't attribute the statement to that were very credible sources told me that some of the UAP activity in space specifically is reverse-engineered technology.
01:00:04.000Does that mean in space in low Earth orbit, or does that mean traveling through the solar system?
01:01:11.000All I was told is there's some of the some of the UAPs that are seen that have been seen by our astronauts on space missions are non-human intelligent life and some are reverse engineered craft.
01:01:46.000You know, one of the other things that, you know, we were talking about Clapper and Ruby and what they said about China.
01:01:52.000Something else that they both said, despite these guys being completely ideologically opposed, right?
01:01:56.000Like they have nothing else in common.
01:01:59.000They both spoke to how we as a species, not just our country, but the entire human species is held back by this.
01:02:08.000There's something the fact that there's something in the human psyche that says I can't prepare for or wrap my head around something I haven't experienced yet.
01:02:22.000He says, you know, we didn't think the Japanese could torpedo us at Pearl Harbor until they figured it out, and they did, right?
01:02:28.000We didn't think that terrorists were going to come here and learn how to fly commercial airplanes and use them in a terror attack until they did.
01:02:34.000And with this, he's like, we don't want strategic surprise to lead to a disaster on this front.
01:02:47.000If we have craft that we can travel through the solar system, we meaning someone in the United States of America.
01:02:54.000Does China have the same ability right now?
01:02:58.000Is there an understanding of where they're at in the race versus us?
01:03:04.000Everyone who talked about the race with China was extremely concerned about how close they were.
01:03:11.000And multiple people talked about how these incursions over our sensitive bases and nukes could, in fact, be reverse-engineered Chinese craft.
01:03:21.000I mean, look, you can ask the average person a common sense question.
01:03:24.000Knowing what you know about the dynamic between China and the United States, would you be okay if they were the only country that had a nuclear weapon?
01:03:33.000So would you want them to be the only country that has technology more powerful than a nuclear weapon that could be weaponized in a way that's more destructive than a nuclear weapon?
01:04:21.000Well, so transmedium, does that mean I know that it can go in the air and in the water, but does that mean it can go through actual physical objects?
01:04:59.000So that's, I mean, look, one of those, one of those, if you remember in the film, there's this great scene where Hal Pudoff and Eric Davis were two of the senior scientists involved with the government UAP programs.
01:05:07.000They break down how they figured out how these craft work and how they are warping space-time in a localized area.
01:05:14.000And they're basically creating a bubble that the craft operates in.
01:05:19.000And the bubble separates the craft from the environment around it.
01:06:14.000And do they have any knowledge of these generators or how they're acquiring this amount of power, what they're using to how are they using zero-point energy?
01:06:32.000Look, Hal and Eric got very close with the scientists on the legacy program and were sharing information and that got shut down by the CIA.
01:06:43.000So before it got shut down, they learned a lot about what we've been doing secretly and what we've been figuring out.
01:07:02.000It's elements of the Department of Energy.
01:07:05.000It's elements of the CIA and its defense contractors.
01:07:08.000And the CIA is the quarterback of the whole thing.
01:07:11.000The Air Force is used for recovery, like field work, essentially.
01:07:16.000They have teams that can react fast and go to a site and collect materials and classify it.
01:07:24.000And they have the aircraft to bring it back to a base.
01:07:26.000The defense contractors have the technology, know-how, and the engineering skills to do the reverse engineering.
01:07:31.000The Department of Energy has laws that can be used to classify the material outside of the President's reach and Congress's reach.
01:07:39.000They also have people who are experts at anything that gives off a lot of radiation and energy.
01:07:46.000And then the CIA quarterbacks, the whole thing, think of them as operational control.
01:07:53.000And this was revealed by a number of people in the film and every single source I talked to.
01:07:59.000There were a lot of people, Joe, that I talked to in very senior positions that thought the film was important and the only way to bring the truth out to the public, but they couldn't be on camera.
01:08:09.000And they guided me, you know, filled in gaps for me, helped me understand the lay of the land.
01:08:14.000There were some people that told me not to interview.
01:08:16.000There was a couple people that were sent to me.
01:08:19.000People wanted to trick me into including them in the film because they were crazy people.
01:08:33.000The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee were extremely supportive.
01:08:38.000And, you know, I really don't think I would have been able to pull off making the film I did if not for their help.
01:08:46.000And Rubio, when I started my process, was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
01:08:51.000And he had already learned a lot about what has been hidden from Congress and thought that what I was doing was really the only way to bring it out because none of these people on their own would go out on a limb by themselves and become subject to ridicule.
01:09:05.000They didn't want to be the one guy out there saying all this extraordinary stuff, right?
01:09:08.000Not only because there's this antiquated cultural stigma where they could be made fun of or their reputation could be damaged, but there's also this security system around the deeply hidden crash refuel program that for years has just targeted anyone who speaks up.
01:09:22.000And so what I basically put together was a way for them to safely do it and have strength in numbers and be arm in arm with several dozen other people.
01:09:31.000And once Rubio leaned into that, I just started getting tremendous support from the Armed Service Committee and the Intelligence Committee.
01:09:38.000And then Senator Rounds became very helpful behind the scenes.
01:09:43.000Intelligence officials who worked this topic, like Jay Stratton and Lou El Zondo and Hal Pudoff were extremely helpful behind the scenes, opening doors, introducing me to people.
01:09:57.000And yeah, I think that I think this is really the only way this was this, we were going to get this level of information out by giving people that safety and numbers.
01:10:06.000And then after this, it's going to require the kind of amnesty we talked about.
01:10:10.000Because this is only what they can lawfully disclose.
01:10:16.000So when it comes to underground or excuse me, underwater stuff, this is what Tim Burchett was talking about when that person was famously interviewing him.
01:10:58.000One of the admirals in my film says, We've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans.
01:11:05.000It's crazy how much is unexplored, right?
01:11:08.000And so it's the most obvious place to hide.
01:11:10.000There's a lot of activity that happens in the oceans.
01:11:14.000One of the people I talked to who thought they would be in the film and then decided it was too risky for them was a special forces guy who was involved in a recovery of a craft that was in the ocean.
01:11:28.000And when they were recovering it, a giant craft came up next to them, like a functioning craft.
01:11:34.000And the helicopter pulled out and they dropped the line and the helicopter took off and the seal was in the water and watched this thing take off and then he had to be recovered out of the water.
01:12:42.000What I often wonder is if any of the guys on that shop or snap video of this thing, you know, there's a lot of video that exists that is either classified at a crazy high level or people are just terrified to share.
01:13:01.000We need a declassification process that's real and sincere and rigorously goes through what's there and what can be showed that won't hurt our national security.
01:13:11.000And just start being transparent with the public.
01:13:15.000This encounter of the SEAL reminded me of another thing that I think is really important and speaks to the accountability issue.
01:13:20.000There's a number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors who have had, and intelligence officials who have had encounters and then end up with biological effects, like real issues, cancer, immune, you know, autoimmune issues.
01:13:45.000A number of people have died of cancer after being around these things.
01:13:49.000And that's a whole nother level of accountability.
01:13:51.000You know, there's people whose medical bills should have been paid for.
01:13:55.000They shouldn't have been put in those situations.
01:13:58.000There's families growing up without a dad because dad encountered a UFO on behalf of the U.S. government and died.
01:14:13.000Because once you understand that these craft are warping space-time in a localized area and creating an immense amount of energy, getting close to it's like getting close to a huge electrical system.
01:14:35.000He got close to the object and something zapped him.
01:14:38.000And, you know, whether it was an actual targeted attack or whether it was just something, a reaction to him being so close to this energy that he was thrown back, knocked unconscious, gravely hurt, and that they took off.
01:14:52.000Yeah, I've spoken, I've spoken off the record to some intelligence officials who have managed to actually get the government to take accountability and give them anonymous health injury status, AHI status, which has only gone to victims of quote-unquote Havana syndrome.
01:15:11.000And it's a real situation, but not everyone has the relationships or the ability to get escalated to the Secretary of Defense and get that AHI status.
01:15:19.000The Secretary of Defense has to give you the AHI status.
01:15:22.000This is going to sound crazy, but is there a particular protocol for dealing with the kind of cancer that you get from getting in contact with a UFO?
01:15:29.000The only thing that I know of, I wouldn't call it a protocol, but I do know that there is a couple specific people, doctors who have become a part of the intelligence communities looking into this, and they've become the go-to doctors for people having biological effects.
01:15:50.000And if you have a relationship with them, if you can get to them, they show up pretty quickly and do the appropriate tests and documentation of it and have the right doctors to send you to.
01:16:04.000Gary Nolan, who you interviewed, is one of those people.
01:16:07.000Yeah, Gary Nolan, who's done some groundbreaking research on cancer.
01:16:13.000The other guy, I shouldn't say his name, but he used to work for one of the big intelligence agencies that's deeply involved in this.
01:16:28.000The other thing that Gary has that's really fascinating is the research on materials, like some of the allegedly retrieved materials from crash sites and how bizarre they are.
01:16:43.000But the stuff that Gary's gotten into that I find the most mind-blowing is he has real classified documentation of encounters that military and intelligence officials have had with UAP and biological effects it's caused.
01:18:53.000There's so many examples of these interactions going bad.
01:18:57.000But it's also like, you know, imagine you didn't know what a fighter jet was, and there was giant flame coming out of the back of it, and you walk behind it, you're going to be toast.
01:19:09.000I don't think it's an intentional thing.
01:19:10.000I think it's we're interacting with a technology we don't understand.
01:19:55.000These kids, like between the ages of like 7 and 13 or something like that, they all saw this craft come down during their recess, and they all say they experienced the same thing.
01:20:06.000They all saw these beings that looked like they were moving in slow motion around the craft.
01:20:13.000And they saw this craft take off at thousands of miles an hour after.
01:20:18.000Years later, they're all saying the same thing.
01:20:26.000But now when you look back at that story through what guys like Cal and Eric are revealing about the warp bubble, do you know what would make someone look like they're moving slow if they were inside of a warp bubble next to the craft where time and space is moving differently than outside the craft?
01:21:09.000And it's essentially this description of the way these propulsion systems work is essentially the exact same way Lazar was describing it, which is really nuts.
01:21:19.000That in 1989, he was proposing that there's some sort of a gravity-defying device and that it was using element 115 and then it was radiated and somehow or another is creating this gravity drive that just sends it to wherever it wants to be rather than propels it.
01:21:48.000Similar, similar, the other, the other explanation is like a ball rolling downhill, like a certain like a surfboard pointed down, riding a wave.
01:21:59.000When did they first start to become aware of underwater activity?
01:22:02.000And when did they first start to suspect that these things were in fact having at least some sort of a base underneath the oceans?
01:22:09.000I don't know the exact first, but I do know from people I've talked to that as far back as the 80s.
01:22:20.000Well, the crazy thing is that if they've really been studying this stuff and retrieving things, like back from Roswell, which was 47, they've really been doing this stuff for that long.
01:22:31.000It's kind of crazy that they were able to actually keep a lid on it for so long.
01:22:36.000I mean, it's not that crazy when your life's being threatened.
01:22:43.000And it's kind of got a lid on it, right?
01:22:46.000I mean, there's been people about Roswell.
01:22:49.000Yeah, there's been people leaking over the years information.
01:22:51.000But I think now we're at a tipping point where, like, I really believe the release of this film is the singular tipping point where you have this many credible, high-level people saying, yes, this is real.
01:23:04.000I mean, even Clapper going on the record saying that UAP activity over Area 51 is real.
01:23:09.000The biggest conspiracy globally, that there's UFOs over Area 51, that 90% of humanity has written off as bullshit, right?
01:23:16.000Here's the guy who was director of national intelligence and head of Air Force Intelligence saying, no, that's real.
01:23:21.000So I think the tipping point, and Rubio going on the record, second most powerful guy in the world, arguably, saying that the presidents are kept out of the loop on this and that defense contractors have taken this over.
01:23:31.000And that even he even says that every now and then advancements made get slipped into commercialized product that some defense contractors make a bunch of money on for their own best interest, not for the benefit of the nation and national security.
01:23:43.000Like these are bombs dropped at the most credible level possible.
01:23:46.000And I think that because we've had all the leaks over the years, it's going to resonate with people.
01:23:52.000People are like, oh, shit, all those things that have been slipping out over the years, it's real.
01:23:58.000And it'll be really interesting to see what's on the other side of that.
01:24:01.000And the other wild thing, Joe, is when you go down the rabbit hole of the UAP topic with people in the intelligence community military, you start learning about adjacent things that are equally bonkers, like remote viewing, which you've talked a lot about, right?
01:24:15.000I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that Al Budoff was the guy who created Stargate and ran Stargate, backed by the DOD and the CIA, and also was deeply involved in the UAP topic for decades.
01:24:39.000Makes you think how much more is hidden from us that we have.
01:24:42.000I definitely want to talk about that, but I want to ask you, were there specifics when they talk about technology that was acquired that was then rolled into no, no one said it on the record.
01:24:54.000I was shocked when Rubio said that on camera when he went there, like clearly, clearly, clearly stating that, I mean, I think word for word, I think he says, and every now and then an advancement gets made and gets commercialized and some company's making a ton of money on it for their own interest.
01:25:11.000But is there any suspicions when you're talking about it?
01:27:12.000So Jay Stratton told me about an event that happened on the military base that is top gun, the top gun base, where a craft came down.
01:27:22.000I don't know exactly how high it was, whether it was in the air or in space, but came down from very high, dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander and his number two.
01:27:32.000And they documented it with video recording.
01:27:35.000And this was when Jay was running the UAP Task Force.
01:27:38.000And they reached out to him saying they wanted to report this.
01:27:40.000And Jay went and talked to them in person.
01:27:43.000And they were going to do an official, these are super senior guys that were going to do an official on-the-record testimony about what they saw with their own eyes.
01:27:53.000And Jay told a senior guy in Naval Intelligence who he thought was on the right side of history.
01:28:00.000And before these guys could come in and testify, the naval intelligence official who was actually part of the cover-up sent these guys tinfoil hats and told them that's what they'd be wearing the rest of their lives if they spoke up.
01:28:14.000And the guys reached out to Jay and said, we're not providing the evidence.
01:28:58.000I've started receiving, since the trailers have been out there, I've started receiving incoming DMs on social media sites from super senior people where I look up who they are and I'm like, holy shit, you know?
01:29:10.000And they're like, hey, we should talk in person sometime.
01:29:41.000One of the other things that I didn't include in the film, Joe, that's, I mean, it's bonkers to think about.
01:29:50.000All of the intelligence officials who actually investigated this for the government, like the people involved in AUSAP and ATIP and UAP Task Force, they all started having activity at their homes when they were investigating non-human intelligent life.
01:30:07.000Orbs in their houses, orbs interacting with their family, causing medical issues for family members, ending up in the family members ending up in the hospital due to orb activity.
01:30:21.000One of the senior intelligence officials that I spoke to, and I'll let him tell his own story when he's ready, but Son got extremely impacted by an orb, black and blue over his whole body, had to go to the hospital, looked like someone took a bat to his chest.
01:30:40.000I didn't include this in the film, this section, because I feel like when you get into the stuff happening in people's houses, I think it's a bridge too far for a lot of people.
01:30:51.000And you got to set the table with the base facts first, which is what my film does.
01:30:55.000And then they can open their minds to these other things.
01:30:58.000But what I found really interesting is when I would do these interviews with people and they would all talk about this activity they started having at their houses that in some cases caused medical issues.
01:31:08.000It was all after they started looking into non-human intelligent life.
01:31:11.000And their takeaway was that non-human intelligent life was looking into them because they were looking into non-human intelligent life.
01:31:17.000And they made the analogy of if a Russian spy comes to DC to spy on Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy.
01:32:02.000He said that he's had a few weird sightings, but the weirdest one was one day in his home, this orb that was like larger than a softball, he said, but came flying into his house and was in the living room with him and it was interacting with him.
01:32:21.000And then it flew down the hallway and flew right through the walls.
01:32:34.000And I've heard about this orb activity in intelligence officials' houses like more times than I can remember, countless times.
01:32:42.000And the journey of this movie, I not only got to know a lot of these intelligence officials very well, but like went and spent time with their wives, with their kids, with them together.
01:32:50.000And when you see like a wife completing a husband's sentence, like they're telling you what they experienced together, it's bonkers, man.
01:33:47.000And this is just what we're seeing is what's on the outside of this warping of space-time.
01:33:51.000Well, that's another thing that one of the eyewitnesses described that was very weird was a craft that was small, but then when they got inside of it, it was the size of a football field.
01:34:01.000Yeah, so that also goes with the warping of space-time.
01:34:04.000So Pal says in the film, this was something I was shocked at how I said.
01:34:09.000He says the warping of space-time in the bubble explains a lot of things that at this point haven't made sense to us.
01:34:18.000And he says, like, for example, when a military serviceman goes onto a craft that looks like it's, you know, 40 feet, and then he goes inside, it looks like it's the size of a football field.
01:34:30.000That makes sense now because from outside the bubble, it's one thing, and inside the bubble, it's something else.
01:35:10.000Now, imagine new breakthroughs happen and now this bubble gets created and we start to figure out how to send things to places through these bubbles and then we realize that what's happening in these bubbles is not what you see on the outside, that it's completely warping, which is also one of the weird questions like, why are UFOs so blurry?
01:35:33.000That answers that question because, you know, Hal says it, and I loved when he revealed this because I was like, oh, that just checks the box.
01:36:01.000You're now in a different environment, and you try taking a photo from above the water, it's going to be all distorted and wacky looking because you're taking a photo through a barrier, another environment, right?
01:36:23.000They are warping space-time in a localized area.
01:36:25.000They're creating a barrier between our environment and their environment.
01:36:28.000And when you try to take a photo through it, it's not great.
01:36:29.000It's also the reason why radar has trouble getting these things because the radar detector, a radar detector, the way it works is radar is emitted towards an object, it bounces back to the radar detector, and that's how you track where it is, right?
01:36:42.000But the radar is just going around the bubble, and it's not going back to the radar detector because it's just going around the bubble.
01:37:37.000Like all the performance characteristics we've observed UAP displaying.
01:37:44.000And so the theory is that all of these advanced beings from wherever they're from, the various different species of them, that all of them have this particular type of technology.
01:38:05.000Like, is this just a natural pathway to curious, intelligent, innovative creatures that they ultimately eventually stumble upon this technology?
01:38:14.000Well, one of the things shared that I found fascinating was this idea that some of the craft that we've recovered and adversarial nations have recovered weren't crash crafts and weren't crafts that they caused a crash.
01:38:28.000They were crafts that just appeared outside a military base, almost like a gift.
01:38:32.000Yeah, and Diana Pasalka discusses them as donations.
01:38:35.000So gifts, donations, but the thought, if you try to explain that, why would anyone do that?
01:38:41.000Maybe some more advanced species is trying to help advance us and try to put a carrot on a stick.
01:38:47.000Maybe it's survival of the fittest for the nations of Earth.
01:39:12.000And at the very least, you'll figure something out.
01:39:15.000And maybe that's what they're saying, that these things have gone into some sort of a commercial application.
01:39:20.000I just want to know what those things are.
01:39:22.000Because this was the thing that I was getting at with Bell Laboratory.
01:39:26.000So Bell Labs was this is the conspiracy theory is that some of the material that was retrieved from Roswell was then transported to Bell Labs for some sort of a back engineering program.
01:39:40.000And that there was a reason why there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs.
01:39:45.000And the idea was that military base is supposed to be guarding New York City, but the New York City was like kind of far away.
01:39:49.000Like you'd want to be a little closer if you're guarding New York City.
01:39:53.000And it's much more likely that it was actually just guarding this laboratory.
01:39:56.000And that there was a company called the American Computer Company.
01:40:00.000And the American Computer Company, are they still around?
01:40:04.000Let's see if they still have this page.
01:40:23.000They would set it all up for you and send it to you.
01:40:25.000And then they had a whole section of their website that was dedicated to back engineering technology from Bell Labs and how it all happened.
01:40:34.000And they were talking about the invention of fiber optics and also the transistor, that these things had come specifically from the discoveries that they had made from the back engineering of a craft that was down at Roswell.
01:40:50.000Which was also, by the way, Roswell was a site of a lot of nuclear testing.
01:41:01.000Four non-human bodies were in the craft and recovered.
01:41:05.000And the technology, the craft materials, and the bodies were sent to Wright-Patt Air Force Base in Ohio, which is very close to Battelle, right?
01:41:18.000And then maybe that's the reason why Bell Labs is near a military base.
01:41:22.000Maybe it's more about proximity to a base that can have recovery teams quickly deployed, come back with materials, and then get them to a facility close by without the need for moving them across the country.
01:41:36.000And that would also, if it was true, would also be one of the first examples of this coordination between government and defense contractors, government and scientists that were commercially working.
01:42:33.000For gaming, it was really fun because you could set it up with powerful video cards and everything like that.
01:42:38.000But there was a bunch of companies that would sell like really high-end, put-together computers so you didn't have to go through all that work.
01:42:44.000And so I was just looking at companies that make computers, made to order Windows computers.
01:43:26.000So it said, so now not only do we have a picture of the alleged alien craft on our website talking about alien technologies being transferred to AT ⁇ T, but we're also in possession of a very high-level level five top-secret security clearance military faxes describing something called SkyStation.
01:43:47.000We try to be cue, we try to put up a picture.
01:43:48.000If you go to our website, it's still there.
01:44:34.000It says here, the symbol for the transistor is made up of three pieces, positive, positive, and negative, or negative, negative, and positive.
01:44:41.000Silicon dioxide doped with arsenic and boron in 1947.
01:44:46.000Now, 1947, doping things with boron was not easy.
01:44:50.000It required the sort of equipment that even Bell Labs in 1946 did not possess.
01:44:55.000They had this type of equipment at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories, but it would have taken thousands and thousands and thousands of man hours to invent the transistor.
01:45:05.000If you look back at it historically, what AT ⁇ T was claiming was that one day this genius, William Shockley, working with a rectifier, he looked at it and noticed that it had unusual propensities.
01:45:21.000And there, bingo, he invented the transistor.
01:45:25.000And to verify that, the two other geniuses that they got to help work with him on the transistor, Dr. Barden and Dr. Bratton, Bretain, both said, oh yeah, I remember the guy by his name, by the name of the case, was allegedly talking about transistors in 1931.
01:45:44.000And I knew back then we were going to have them.
01:45:47.000He said that that is the history of the transistor at AT ⁇ T prior to 1948, other than claiming it was invented in December of 1947 by Dr. Shockley.
01:45:59.000And I knew because the administrative head of the transistor project was Jack Morton, the man at whose house I was staying to go to school and whose sons I was friends with.
01:46:11.000And he often commented on the fact that it was really a shame that those three idiots got responsibility for the transistor and he didn't.
01:46:19.000And I always wondered because he too didn't possess the scientific ability to develop the transistor.
01:46:25.000He was a brilliant man who had invented the radio broadcast vacuum tube, the closed-space triode, but it appeared that he was brought in to head up the project to try to draw back the transistor in time to radio tubes and the image that Shockley talked about.
01:46:46.000And it was as if the whole thing was just a ploy and he might as easily have been given responsibility and gotten the Nobel Prize as Bill Shockley.
01:46:56.000Professional jealousy, it says, question mark.
01:47:15.000Well, it certainly lines up time-wise with the Roswell crash.
01:47:19.000And the labs working on these things being close proximity to bases that are known for recoveries and reverse engineering.
01:47:28.000Around Roswell, the engineers, the Army Air Corps engineers that were based at Wright Pat were literally the expert reverse engineers of the Army Air Corps.
01:47:44.000And the, yeah, I mean, the dots all line up, you know.
01:47:48.000The other thing to think about with what technology has been cracked is just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean they didn't crack it.
01:47:54.000Like typically, you know, if you just look at like, you know, aerospace, like fighters and stuff, our black projects are like 30 years out.
01:48:29.000And multiple intelligence officials have told me, even the people who are not dealing with UAP, they're just working at like Defense Intelligence Agency.
01:48:47.000I talked to a very senior intelligence official who is in his 80s, who in the 70s, mid-70s, was working on quantum entanglement for the CIA.
01:49:31.000I wouldn't want to assume, but just that was the headline.
01:49:34.000And that's the, it was said to me in the context of when the public hears about something existing, it's long after it's existed in terms of black problem science.
01:49:46.000And so it just makes you think, like, you know, if things have come off the back of this technology and some of it has been commercialized, actually put into hypersonic missiles or whatever it is, transistor radio, whatever, what hasn't?
01:49:58.000You know, what's just been kept in a box.
01:50:03.000But the reality is, I mean, all that leads me to just, I really feel like if we get into this era of transparency and everyone knows it's real and all scientists know it's a valid area of inquiry and all the bright young minds out there that are in high school or college right now know this is something they can put their brain power towards, dude, so much amazing stuff could come out of it.
01:50:46.000And if it was open transparency and they were just bringing in all the brightest minds, like, you know, maybe, but maybe it's like the amnesty thing.
01:50:54.000Maybe it just needs to happen for the greater good.
01:50:58.000Like if they're both, if both the United States and China are literally on the brink, maybe it's a conversation that needs to be had for the greater good of humanity.
01:51:05.000You know, that this notion that we are the only intelligent life that we've so far observed in the universe is a lie.
01:51:14.000And that where they come from, whether they're interdimensional or whether interstellar or whatever they are, there's something other than us that's more advanced than us, that can do things that we can't do and that we've learned from them.
01:51:28.000And despite our differences, we have a lot in common in this situation and that we're all in it together.
01:51:37.000The two famous president speeches that I now look through, you know, I look at in a completely different ways.
01:51:41.000Reagan's speech at the United Nations, where he says, I often think, you know, despite our differences, what will unite us is a threat from outside this planet.
01:52:10.000And he warned us at a time where we now know the legacy program was already getting very powerful and empowering defense contractors to reverse engineer this technology.
01:52:21.000And he warns, he says very, very, very clearly that the ability exists and will persist for unchecked power that would threaten our democratic process and get us basically saying, well, get us to a place where the contractors are going to have more power than Congress.
01:52:38.000And here we are in 2025 with leaders in Congress and our Secretary of State saying that's literally what happened.
01:52:43.000That's literally the situation right now.
01:53:07.000And the thing is, that speech was, he did that live on the air to the world.
01:53:13.000And people didn't really get a chance to watch it until the internet.
01:53:17.000Because most people, you'd have to read about it or you'd have to go somewhere and find some 35 millimeter footage and strap it on to a projector and go watch him say that.
01:54:09.000Look, I hope that people involved with this at the CIA or at these defense contractors realize, like you said, they have a moment here to be the heroes of the story.
01:54:27.000Like any war, there's casualties of war, right?
01:54:31.000But our intention was to do the best for the United States.
01:54:34.000And we want to come out and tell everyone what we've learned in a safe way where we can share some information, educate the public with the base facts, and then keep the rest classified for national security reasons.
01:54:46.000These people would all just be heroes.
01:54:52.000I mean, the United States, I think if the full extent, if these people are telling the truth, the full extent of this cover-up was ever revealed, we would probably be baffled.
01:55:06.000And then there would be the anger at the misappropriation of funds and a lot of finger pointing.
01:55:11.000And then there would be the very real problem of defense contractors getting access to back engineered equipment where other defense contractors were not.
01:55:21.000So they would have an unfair advantage competitively.
01:55:24.000I mean, look, a bunch of defense contractors went out of business over the years.
01:55:29.000You'd also have to, you know, look back at some of the older defense contractors that were given materials in the 40s and 50s and then got acquired by a Lockheed or Northrop.
01:55:38.000Lockheed and Northrop have bought all of the smaller defense contractors that have been involved with this over the years.
01:56:30.000The how put off story, but the crashed Soviet craft that they found, that this remote viewer guy found like within a three-mile radius, located it exactly.
01:56:40.000Jimmy Carter put a statement out about it.
01:58:58.000She's like, remember, you ran home and you told me and dad.
01:59:01.000And she said, all I know is the next day, those men from the Air Force came to talk to you with your dad.
01:59:06.000And then I never heard anything else about it.
01:59:08.000And so where this story goes is unpacking this connection between UAP encounters and, you know, while there's some biological effects that are bad, there are some that are also like, if you call it a gift, I don't know if you'd call it a gift or a curse, but like unlocking potential is a great way to put it.
01:59:26.000And then the Air Force being, the story also unveils how on top of it the Air Force is.
01:59:31.000So they went and recruited this young kid and his father to become part of a secret program where we still don't know exactly what he did, but he was used for this ability.
01:59:42.000And the service code was Space Intelligence Communications.
02:00:01.000He's like, you know, at one point he was running like I don't remember the exact title, but essentially he was like running counterterrorism for North America.
02:00:13.000And he ended up getting, because of his stature in the intelligence community, he ended up getting help from people in the Department of Defense to piece together this hidden past he has.
02:00:27.000And he actually is in the process of getting approved for anonymous health injury status from the Secretary of Defense.
02:00:33.000So this program that he was involved in as a child, does he have any recollection?
02:03:30.000And a proper investigation was done by real authorities, and they found evidence of it, like etching in the windows and etching in the windows.
02:03:39.000If a directed energy weapon goes through glass, it causes etching in the windows.
02:03:43.000So they were literally physically targeting him with something from a drone, from some space?
02:04:22.000Which also lines up with, you know, I talked to one of the stories that left out of the film.
02:04:26.000I talked to the base commander from Rendlesham, the U.S. joint U.S.-UK base in the UK, where there was a huge UAP event in the 80s.
02:04:37.000And the base commander told me on the record on camera that the day after the event, an airplane landed, people from the CIA and Air Force intelligence showed up with authority and demanded to speak to the witnesses.
02:04:52.000And the base commander was told to leave the room.
02:04:54.000He didn't know until years later that all those servicemen that experienced this, they were all told to share the details and they were given a drug.
02:05:03.000I think it was called, is this correct?
02:05:32.000He also said they took away something in crates the next day on this airplane.
02:05:36.000And he never got clarity on what it was.
02:05:38.000And the third thing that he revealed that I don't think anyone's ever talked about with Randlesham is he revealed that the day after the event, he went and talked to the people in the communications room where you know, the old school wires in the wall and stuff.
02:05:49.000And the head of the communications on the base told him that the entire night of the event, while he was out in the woods dealing with the event, the whole base was on communication lockdown.
02:06:01.000All lines were shut down except the direct line between the base and the White House, which it's called, I believe, I don't want to mess this up, but I believe it's called Flash Override, which is only used for nuclear war or imminent threat of nuclear war.
02:06:16.000So like the most extreme circumstances where you need a direct line between the base and the president.
02:06:22.000So one of the unfortunate things I had to cut for time, hardest thing about making this movie, man, was my director's cut was like four hours and I had to get this down to something that was like consumable.
02:06:31.000Did you ever think about making it like a Netflix thing or multi-piece?
02:07:09.000Look, it's definitely been a consuming endeavor, this movie.
02:07:12.000I mean, this thing has consumed my life for four years.
02:07:14.000And I had to, you know, it's a whole nother conversation, but I had to make this movie in secrecy because at the offset, when I started getting real intelligent officials to lean in, they told me to my face, they were like, it's not in your best interest to promote the fact you're doing this.
02:08:01.000And I think I'll probably make some next year.
02:08:03.000But at the same time, I want to do more in this space and these adjacent spaces.
02:08:09.000I'm doing, like I mentioned, Jay Stratton's book I'm working really hard on.
02:08:12.000I'm also going to develop a series based on Jay Stratton's life, which is this remarkable 16-year rabbit hole of investigating non-human intelligent life and UAP for the U.S. government.
02:08:22.000I'm working with some other people that are in my film on their life stories.
02:08:26.000And then the book I just told you about, that crazy remote viewing story.
02:09:04.000There's a lot of good ideas for that one.
02:09:07.000But I do want to still do stuff outside this topic for sure.
02:09:11.000I'm really fascinated with the remote viewing topic.
02:09:14.000I think I have a desire to do, in the same way that The Age of Disclosure is the definitive doc on what we now know that can be lawfully disclosed about UAP and non-human intelligent life.
02:09:25.000I really want to try to endeavor to do that version of the remote viewing story.
02:09:36.000So Hal Pudoff's working for the CIA and the DOD in the mid-70s.
02:09:41.000He's doing some spooky stuff, fringe science work.
02:09:46.000His CIA handler, who's his best friend and was in his wedding party, comes into his office, knocks on the door, and says, We've got a problem we need your help with.
02:09:57.000He says, Our operatives have found out that the Russians have a program that they're 10 years into where they have rounded up the best psychics in Russia and they've trained them to use their psychic abilities to spy on American bases and our most secure facilities, and they're getting actionable intel.
02:10:16.000Hal's, of course, like, holy shit, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard, right?
02:10:19.000And the CIA guy says, Yes, you've got a blank checkbook from the CIA and the DOD.
02:10:25.000You've got X amount of time to catch up on their 10-year program.
02:10:30.000He then has to figure out how to go about finding people who have these abilities because it's not like Russia.
02:10:35.000We just go round up a bunch of people and say, you're going to do this, right?
02:10:37.000So he comes up with a clever system to bake into Army basic training, testing that can identify people with these skill sets.
02:10:46.000And then you can pluck them up and have them come work for this program.
02:10:49.000You can help them sharpen their skill sets and you can train them to become remote viewers.
02:10:53.000To me, that scene, it's like, it's like the Indiana Jones scene where the CIA comes in to Nana Jones and says, you know, what do you know about the Ark of the Covenant?
02:11:09.000And then the fact that they started getting real actionable intelligence that they were acting on.
02:11:14.000Like the CIA was running missions based on his Intel.
02:11:18.000One day when I shopped, I did so many interviews with Hal, but one day when we finished talking about the UAP topic, I had intentionally scheduled a few extra hours.
02:11:27.000And I was like, all right, Hal, let's talk about Stargate.
02:11:29.000And I grabbed like three hours of the entire Stargate story.
02:12:12.000But what I did try was someone remote viewing me in a specific place where I was.
02:12:21.000And they sent me a picture that they sketched out that gave me fucking chills because they described exactly where I was standing when I was talking to them.
02:12:29.000And I don't think they had cameras in my house, which is the obvious question, right?
02:12:35.000And there's other stories that I've heard from intelligence officials that I've gotten close with because of the UAP topic.
02:12:41.000People who became aware of the remote viewing situation and would tell me these just like little ancient old stories.
02:12:46.000Like there was a, there was a, here's like a specific, there was a pen drive, like a little, you know, a little drive with some data on it that had some UAP data on it that an intelligence official literally dropped while hiking out of their pocket.
02:13:02.000It was in their pocket and they dropped it.
02:13:05.000And they used a remote viewer to help them find it, told them exactly where it was.
02:15:02.000Someone very involved in that topic for the government now told me the analogy they would make is it's like if you saw a basketball on the ground, anybody can pick the basketball up.
02:15:12.000If there's a hoop there, they can throw it at it, right?
02:15:14.000If you sat back and watched a line of 100 people do it, someone would look like clowns, some would be like, oh, this guy has signed potential.
02:15:21.000And then, you know, one out of every however many, like thousand whatever, it'd be a Michael Jordan who's just like, boom, swish.
02:15:29.000Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop.
02:15:32.000And some people have a natural instinct to do it better.
02:15:35.000And that's what they were trying to identify.
02:15:37.000And that's what they do try to identify.
02:15:38.000weird one is that people who have had encounters yeah so that's that to me is like like it breaks through some barrier that you have in your consciousness When they communicate with you, all of a sudden now you have this wall that has been downed that allows you to have access to this forgotten aspect of human consciousness.
02:16:55.000The book of Enoch is essentially describing watchers who come down from the sky and mate with women.
02:17:02.000Well, that, if you told that story for a thousand years and the real story was they came down, they got a hold of human babies and human mothers and introduced genetics that were alien into these children.
02:17:23.000yeah you know and created well they talk about the nephilim giants who destroyed everything but that's kind of us Well, the other thing that makes me think of is a number of the people who've seen crafts, and it's Jay Stratton and Louisondo say it in the film that the craft at Roswell had hieroglyphics on it.
02:17:44.000And they actually, I didn't put it in the film, but they talked about how when they learned that to be a fact, they spent a ton of time researching ancient texts and trying to find a match.
02:18:40.000Actually, out in Ojai, out in Hawaii, my fiancé and I were laying on a blanket while I was making this movie, looking at stars, and saw what looked like a satellite.
02:18:52.000At first, I thought it was going slow, and then this thing just fucking rocketed off.
02:19:04.000Yeah, up right above the Topatopa Mountains in Ojai.
02:19:08.000And then I actually, the next day, we said to the staff, we were on those little golf carts getting, drove across this hotel property, and we told them we saw.
02:19:15.000And the guy goes, yeah, not going to lie, we see that stuff a lot out here.
02:19:23.000Other stuff where I'm like witnessing firsthand the craziness of this cover-up.
02:19:27.000One of the interview subjects I had at my house in Los Angeles prepping for an interview, we're in the middle of, we're sitting in my living room.
02:21:01.000He was the guy who really led the charge on looking into this topic for Rubio and Warner on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff.
02:21:08.000He was extremely supportive to me behind the scenes, helped vet people for me, helped send introductions my way, helped validate me with Rubio and rounds.
02:22:41.000You know, despite South by, we did two screenings, 1,100 seats at the Paramount Theater, standing ovations, lines around the block.
02:22:47.000The trailer I put out in January quickly got like 20 million views.
02:22:51.000Despite that, all the major distributors and major streamers, they watched it, they loved it, they said all these great things, but then they didn't end up, they didn't end up moving forward.
02:23:02.000And, you know, I don't think it's naive to think that other parties, you know, might have discouraged people.