In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, we re-visit The Sphinx and The Great Lost Labyrinth of Ancient Egypt, and try to solve the mystery of what exactly is going on in the area around the Sphinx.
00:02:02.000So the labyrinth, we're talking about the great lost labyrinth of ancient Egypt, which was described by figures like Herodotus, Diodorus, Siculus, Pliny the Elder, figures from antiquity, these authors, and they've described it as being greater in magnificence than the pyramids.
00:02:18.000They had these just mind-bending descriptions of what this site was, like multiple levels, 3,000 rooms.
00:02:26.000It had giant courtyards with pillars all made from.
00:02:30.000I mean, one guy, I think it was Strabo, described the roof as being a single piece of stone, which I don't think it was, but it's describing those perfect joins that you see in the real megalithic work from Egypt.
00:02:49.000It was always known about because there were clues about its location.
00:02:51.000It was always theorized to have been at this place called Hawara, which is near the Fayoum in Egypt.
00:02:57.000And, you know, Petrie went there and dug it up, a Flinders Petrie in the late 1800s, early 1900s, and he found massive stone slabs, and he thought he was standing on its foundation like it's been quarried and taken away.
00:03:09.000And rather than that, though, it turns out he was most likely standing on the roof of like the top layer.
00:03:13.000It was like 10 meters below the ground.
00:04:40.000Another one that uses high-frequency photography along with, I think, seismic data, very similar to the Doppler tomography work that's being done by the Italians at places like the Giza Plateau now.
00:04:54.000Yes, there's a big structure, but one of the most interesting facts that came out of this scan was it seems like in this massive central Atrium that's that's just one big giant open room 40, 50 meters long that connects to all of these levels, there seems to be this unidentified metallic object that's freestanding in this room.
00:05:10.000It's about 40 meters long and it seems to be tic-tac shaped.
00:07:41.000But two of them have been really fucking weird.
00:07:43.000I think the point we're getting at is, and this is the point of all these conversations, is that there's some stuff that is yet to be discovered that has previously been discovered that might be like, it might blow the dam down on all this stuff to the point where like, okay, whatever you think happened here, a lot more happened, and it seems way crazier.
00:08:05.000If the stuff underneath the Giza Plateau is correct, and if the stuff, which is like, what?
00:08:10.000And if the labyrinth, if they can show you that this, not only was Herodotus depicting an actual place, but we can show it to you and it's preserved and it's been under the water for 50 years.
00:08:30.000I think there are elements of that that are obvious.
00:08:35.000I mean, not obvious, but people can explore them and it starts to knock down the house of cuts.
00:08:39.000It's how people end up with this, just looking at the contradictions in ancient Egypt.
00:08:43.000But there are other examples of what I would say, like these things like the Madahar expedition that have been discovered, but then sort of covered up and kept secret.
00:08:53.000And a lot of them have to do with, you have the same tie-in with these ancient stories and accounts from history, not just from the Roman and Greek historians, but also the Arab historians, like Al-Masudi, for example, Herodotus of the Arabs, they called him.
00:09:11.000He talked about tales of these tunnels and chambers beneath the Sphinx, that there were rooms beneath the Sphinx that then led out to like three different tunnels.
00:09:20.000You have a number of other Arab historians from as far back as like 600 AD that have stories of getting into the pyramids and then getting lost in tunnels and chambers beneath them.
00:09:31.000Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of these crazy, you hear these stories of like the Hall of Records, right?
00:09:35.000The people like Edgar Casey, the American psychic in the 1940s who, you know, he would, have you heard of Edgar Casey?
00:09:45.000So he would fall into these trance-like states and he'd have these visions.
00:09:48.000He's called like the sleeping prophet, they would call him, or he's like one of the Americans' psychic.
00:09:53.000And he wasn't just about things around Egypt.
00:09:57.000He did prophesize and talk about locations for three halls of records, which were these Atlantean caches of information, like a pre-diluvian civilization.
00:10:29.000There was a lot of people who made a lot of money, and he did evidently too as well.
00:10:32.000And so that led to the formation of something called the Edgar Casey Foundation, or the ARE, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, is the name of them.
00:10:41.000And they've been looking to try and find his halls of records.
00:10:48.000And they've been trying to verify Casey's predictions.
00:10:51.000One in particular that they've been chasing down is the famous Hall of Records, which he said was beneath the paws of the Sphinx.
00:10:59.000So there's not, you know, the stories of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years.
00:11:05.000Like, I mean, just not just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient, even than the pyramids.
00:11:18.000But there was some work done that happened in recent times, like in the 1990s.
00:11:23.000Well, there's been a search going on since the early 70s that the ARE has been involved in.
00:11:30.000A lot of this has never really come to light.
00:11:31.000But there's some, until very recently, in fact, there's been some footage that came up that showed that there are, in fact, tunnels beneath the Sphinx that may well have been explored.
00:12:04.000I think the current guys that have been running the Department of Antiquities are embracing a little bit of that idea, but I do think there's been a little bit of gatekeeping that's happened.
00:12:11.000Well, I think it's a generational thing.
00:12:15.000And I think when you are an academic or you are a person that's in a position of power like Zahi is, and you've been running things for so long and this new thing comes along, it's very threatening.
00:12:27.000And when there's a lot of movement and momentum behind it, it's very threatening.
00:13:27.000The fear is if I am a self-professed expert with an institution behind me with a nice name, and then all of a sudden some fucking asshole with an Australian accent comes along, a tech guy who becomes a YouTuber because he watched some asshole's podcast when he was younger.
00:13:45.000But it's you and Graham and Jimmy Corsetti and all these other amazing people.
00:13:49.000And you guys are, you're showing the world that there's another side to a lot of these stories, and it's a legitimate side.
00:13:58.000It's not just a legitimate, it's an unfathomable side.
00:14:01.000When you're looking at some of the stuff, like Baalbeck, you're looking at those stones, there's unfathomable things that no one is saying they're unfathomable.
00:14:20.000And I think I've made this point before, but it's the nature of the discourse that's changed that has forced, I think, a stronger reaction from the establishment.
00:14:32.000The general public views things differently.
00:14:34.000Well, the general public's involved in the discussion now.
00:14:36.000If you go back more than 60, 70 years, I mean, general public didn't have access to this information.
00:14:41.000They were, I mean, these discussions only happened in societies and in universities, but with the rise of firstly alternative authors and then the internet, now everybody's got a chance to have a platform and a set of ears to hear this information.
00:15:45.000And I think what's made this, well, let's call it alternative perspective much more possible, even plausible, is all of the adjacent fields of science and work that is basically providing a plausible context for these ideas that there was an ancient lost civilization that is responsible for the roots of some of the things we see in these civilizations, responsible for some of the technological enigmas that we find on these sites.
00:16:13.000And that, you know, that's this is all stuff that's happened in recent years in adjacent fields of science, things like the extension of the human timeline, the evidence for severe erosion on these sites, our understanding of climate history, and extension of cataclysm.
00:16:29.000Because, you know, we were just, Jesse Michaels and I were just having a conversation about this.
00:16:33.000I was like, imagine if you would not lose any cognitive abilities, no decline at all, and modern science figured out a way to let you live a thousand years.
00:16:44.000Imagine if you're a person who's working on material sciences and you're doing like 3D printing, you get to live a thousand years and you're a researcher and you still show up at work every day for a thousand years or 10,000 years.
00:16:58.000Because if you can extend life, you can extend life for a very prolonged, especially with gene editing and a lot of the other crazy, who knows if they already figured that out back then.
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00:18:35.000I mean, there seems to be some evidence that they might have.
00:18:42.000Yeah, I mean, not just them, but almost every civilization that talks about even the Bible, it talks about pre-diluvian or pre-flood civilizations, often talks about people living for hundreds of years, if not longer than that, thousands of years.
00:18:55.000You have an Egyptian kings list that does the same thing, but even in the Bible, Noah was 600, right?
00:19:02.000So you have, yeah, I think something like that.
00:19:04.000You have many examples of these, what they would describe as pre-cataclysm or pre-flood civilizations where people live for a long time.
00:19:13.000But you just, I mean, not just there's an extension of individual human timeline, but we also know that there's an extension of the human, like how long humans have been here.
00:19:39.000Yeah, I mean, I think that was more, I think that's more of a Homo sapien clay to skull.
00:19:43.000So it's like it may not be Homo sapien exactly us.
00:19:46.000It might be a variety, but that's a whole other aspect on this too, is that where the last humans left, right, there were other types of humans that we know live for, in some cases, a couple million years that had similar, like even bigger brain sizes than we did.
00:20:02.000We don't really know what their capabilities were.
00:20:08.000And then you combine that lengthening of time of like, okay, you have an intelligent social species that has the ability to build on knowledge of your, you know, your ancestors.
00:20:19.000So, you know, one guy spends his life making a spear.
00:20:22.000The next guy spends his life perfecting how to throw it.
00:20:26.000We have this unique ability to stand on this knowledge that's passed down from our direct ancestors and therefore build up our capability and it inevitably leads towards civilization.
00:20:37.000And if you stretch that way back in time and now you look at things like the climate history and the history of cataclysm on this planet, this possibility that these civilizations may have arisen and then been completely destroyed at some point over the last several hundred thousand years, you can't just dismiss that.
00:20:57.000There's a strong possibility that it's possible.
00:21:01.000And in fact, there seems to be a lot of other contextual evidence to support it in origin tales, in stories, in the echoes of sacred geometry and advanced mathematics and knowledge of the cosmos and also planetary dimensions and geodetic data,
00:21:18.000all this stuff that's encoded into these monuments and into these stories and tales that we can't explain how these so-called primitive civilizations like the Egyptians or the Sumerians knew this information, yet it's there and it's encoded in their monuments and in their data.
00:21:38.000Even the Greeks, you can't explain the precision of some of the aspects of things like the pyramids.
00:21:44.000But yeah, I mean, you just, and again, with the cataclysms that we know have happened, the younger drys just being the most recent, but if you go back several hundred thousand years, you have these massive, you know, interglacial periods and glacial maximum periods, right?
00:21:57.000That these cycles that we go through, where you have this big glaciation buildup, and then you have just, you know, these, what must have been catastrophic floods, and then interglacial periods.
00:22:08.000In fact, there was a period called the Aeolian period.
00:22:50.000We haven't had massive catastrophes that have been extinction level events kind of thing to get in our way and knock us back to the Stone Age.
00:23:00.000There was a similar period like that that lasted longer than we've been in this nice period, about 120,000 years ago.
00:23:06.000And if you consider after that, the cycles of glaciation and flooding, then particularly the younger dryest, there'd been just almost nothing left.
00:23:12.000It's just the stone in places that survived what happened afterwards.
00:23:17.000So I do, my range of possibilities for, okay, when did these artifacts originate?
00:23:25.000Like when did some of this architecture originally be built?
00:25:23.000There's so many structures that seem like there's multiple timelines working on the same exact ground.
00:25:29.000It is 100% a human tendency to renovate and restore all of these, to reuse these sites in a gross way, like what they do with the Sphinx, like the pause.
00:27:15.000So this is part of the Middle Pyramid complex at Giza, and there's a lot of blocks like this.
00:27:20.000There are limestone blocks that are 11, 12 meters long, like four meters wide, you know, two, three hundred tons that were stacked up on top of each other and they eroded so greatly on the inside that they've actually fallen over at some point in antiquity.
00:27:41.000But I mean, there's a lot, just the amount of erosion that it takes for that to happen to blocks like this, of this pneumolytic limestone, which is a very hard form of limestone, full of fossils.
00:27:53.000And you're talking like two, three feet in some places of erosion of limestone.
00:27:58.000And if you look at the studies that have been done into like limestone erosion rates, and there's been several, they've studied them in coastal wave action environments where it's like getting battered by waves.
00:28:18.000But in a normal weathering environment, right, this is assuming a lot more rainfall than what happens in Egypt, which gets very little rainfall, by the way.
00:28:27.000But a place like Washington, D.C., or somewhere where you get like 40 inches of rain a year, something like that, it would take just normal weathering erosion to do two feet of erosion like this more than 100,000 years.
00:28:45.000And so, and that's, I think you can extend that because if, well, the thing is, maybe there was more rainfall here at some point.
00:28:52.000We know there was after since about 4,000 BC, the African humid period was in place.
00:28:59.000That's another big, I think, tell for what happened, particularly on the Giza Plateau and the sites in Egypt.
00:29:07.000In that, you know, one of the things that always mystified me about the Sphinx is like it's spent so much time buried in sand up to its chest over the last several thousand years, more time than it hasn't been.
00:29:18.000We have to work pretty hard to keep the sand out of it now.
00:29:20.000In fact, there were multiple attempts to dig it out of the sand in the 1800s that failed.
00:29:25.000And then they just literally two or three years later, it's sort of buried up to its chest again.
00:30:13.000So this is another big issue with the wind and sand erosion.
00:30:17.000When you talk specifically about the Sphinx enclosure, I mean, this is one of the big controversial, I mean, for example, the face is an eroded.
00:30:30.000It's been one of my major points for a long time.
00:30:32.000It is, to be fair, it is, the yarding, the sedimentary layers of limestone, it is a slightly harder form of limestone, but still, you're talking thousands and thousands of years where the only thing above the sand level was basically the face.
00:30:47.000And it's then, and they explain all of this deep erosion on the body of the Sphinx and the Sphinx enclosure to wind and sand.
00:30:53.000I know, obviously, Robert Schock is a different interpretation.
00:30:56.000But yes, you would see erosion on that.
00:30:59.000I think the most plausible explanation for that Sphinx is that, yes, the face was recarved in the dynastic period, probably could have been by Kufra.
00:31:09.000Actually, may well have been before that as well, because there's other evidence that suggests that the Sphinx was already buried in sand at his time.
00:31:19.000The attribution to Kufra comes from two main sources.
00:31:24.000So where the Sphinx is, you have the middle pyramid, you have the causeway that runs down, and you have the middle pyramid, you have the pyramid temple, the complex where we were seeing that erosion.
00:31:33.000You have this massive causeway that runs down to then the valley temple, which is this very famous, massive megalithic structure.
00:31:40.000And right next to the valley temple is the Sphinx.
00:31:42.000And in front of that is the Sphinx Temple.
00:31:44.000So they sort of attribute it and make it, well, it's part of the Middle Pyramid complex.
00:31:48.000The other attribution comes from what's been written on that dream stela between the legs of the Sphinx at its chest.
00:31:56.000It does say Kufra on there, but there's a lot of, it's a controversial statement to say that that means Kufra built it.
00:32:04.000There were several Egyptologists who had different, and this is back in the early 1900s, they had different interpretations for what that said.
00:32:13.000What they believe it said was Kufra was trying to do what his ancestors had done before, or that Thutmosis was trying to do what his ancestors had done before.
00:32:23.000And Kufra is mentioned there in terms of dig it out of the sand and become king.
00:32:45.000Yeah, just in the interest of keeping this standalone, please explain to people the whole deal with Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University and the water erosion.
00:33:02.000It's good background context because it does apply to not only the Sphinx.
00:33:06.000It's the most famous example, I think, and well-known example of, again, an adjacent field of science coming in and challenging some of the doctrine that's been around Egyptology.
00:33:17.000But it was actually Schwaler de Lubitz, who originally, I think, proposed it.
00:33:21.000His work was followed up by John Anthony West, who then brought Dr. Robert Schock, who's a professor of geology at Boston University, to the Sphinx.
00:33:30.000This was, I believe, the late 80s, early 90s.
00:33:33.000And he went and looked at the erosional patterns.
00:33:35.000So the Sphinx sits inside an enclosure.
00:33:38.000So it was originally what you would call a yardang, which is like a limestone outcropping.
00:33:42.000And so they cut down in this big enclosure and they cut the floor and then they sort of shaped the Sphinx from this natural outcropping of bedrock.
00:33:51.000So you had, and we know this because the structure next to the Sphinx or in front of it called the Sphinx Temple is actually, you can line up the sedimentary layers of the blocks that are in there from the Sphinx enclosure.
00:34:02.000So we know that there were blocks taken from here.
00:34:04.000So this is all predictably sort of cut walls and the Sphinx would have been nicely finished when it was.
00:36:01.000Yeah, so he got a good taste of the, I guess, the old boy network, the archaeologist on that day.
00:36:07.000But he's, you know, he's being very conservative in that dating also of saying, well, 12,000 years, it could well be tens of thousands of years.
00:36:15.000And in fact, it seems more likely to me based on the erosional evidence that we see not only in the Sphinx enclosure, but elsewhere on the Giza Plateau.
00:36:24.000There's many places where you see just a huge amount of erosion that you can't really explain within the timelines and the climate of dynastic Egypt as we know it from roughly 3,000 BC till even now, because it's still eroding, right?
00:36:41.000But yeah, it could be vastly more ancient.
00:36:45.000I actually think there's something else that came out, was it earlier this year?
00:36:50.000I think it was much earlier this year or maybe late last year.
00:36:53.000But there was a study done that showed that during the African humid period, so this period of time before the desertification of Egypt, the Sahara becoming a desert, when it was green and there was more consistent rainfall, there was obviously a lot more water in the Nile, as we call it, and it had different channels.
00:37:12.000One of the things they discovered was that there was a branch of the river Nile, and it's called the Aramat branch.
00:37:18.000And it was in places up to a kilometer or most of a mile wide.
00:37:24.000But it turns out that all of these valley temples on all of these pyramid sites from Dashur and Saqqara, Abyssya, Abu Ghraab, Giza, all of those valley temples were built on the shores of this extinct branch of the Nile.
00:37:40.000So it's like pyramid comp, you know, pyramids, when you look at a pyramid, it's not just a pyramid, there's a whole complex associated with it.
00:37:47.000There's a temple, there's a structure at the pyramid, there's a causeway, there's what they call valley temples down.
00:37:53.000And it's like these were all built on the shorelines of this branch of the Nile that went basically disappeared somewhere between 4,000 and 3,500 BC, but it was in place for thousands and thousands of years before that.
00:38:08.000And today, if you go there and they say, well, you know, the valley temple, yep, they would ship the stones from Aswan and it'd be like three months of the year it would flood enough where you can get a boat.
00:39:20.000And it would have been, it was a single piece granite statue, easily a thousand tons.
00:39:24.000Show that image, Jamie, if you would, please.
00:39:27.000I think it's giant objects in there or something.
00:39:30.000And this is Tannis in the Delta, Aswan down here at the quarry.
00:39:36.000I mean, downstream on the Nile, there's another example of the one at Karnak that's the whole shoulder and arm of a composite quartzite, again, gigantic, size of the Statue of Liberty, basically.
00:42:00.000Yeah, it was the height of dynastic Egyptians, Egypt's power and wealth.
00:42:05.000So they had all of this, I think, hubris and arrogance to make themselves one of the gods.
00:42:13.000And it's one of the, I think, these statues, there's a lot to unpack in these because I also happen to think that when you look at these massive statues, you can't really explain with the capabilities of the dynastic Egyptians.
00:42:26.000I think it also explains their iconography because if they inherited these giant statues, like it's those are the gods.
00:43:53.000And there's some interesting genetic evidence that I think suggests that as a possibility, our chromosomal difference between us and other mammals of our type.
00:44:02.000Almost like we've had these, the tellurides have been attached.
00:45:29.000I mean, there is, I don't rule out the.
00:45:32.000I mean, personally, my opinion, I think there's a either via panspermia or intervention theory like that, where we've been, there is a huge mystery as to both our species and then how life itself kind of kicked off.
00:45:48.000Like that's even panspermia is like kicking the can down the road problem.
00:45:53.000Because one of the most interesting things to me is like DNA as a technology has never changed, right?
00:45:59.000So from single-cell organisms right down through to us, the way life is expressed as a technology, DNA, like how it expresses life has changed, but DNA, I don't think has changed.
00:46:11.000Like it's like this one way that life expresses itself and how it forms is like the actual origins of life.
00:46:49.000He said it was incredibly strange, like very, very surreal seeing them in person because it really does feel like it's a different species.
00:46:59.000Like you're looking at some different species.
00:47:01.000My take on that stuff is, honestly, it's like, sure.
00:47:06.000To me, the whole alien other life in the universe was settled.
00:47:12.000I mean, it's a mathematical certainty.
00:47:14.000Like, I just, the Kepler mission showed it.
00:47:16.000Like it's a mathematical certainty that life has to exist in other places on the planet in some form.
00:47:48.000I think it'll give additional perspective.
00:47:50.000Like, let's go way out there and put that fucking tinfoil hat on tight.
00:47:56.000If they open up the labyrinth, if they figure out a way to drain the water and they do find out that that 40-meter-long metallic thing is something from another planet.
00:48:58.000That they've entered into the Stone Age.
00:48:59.000So let's assume that this keeps moving in that general direction without our intervention, which I'm assuming some foreign countries probably would engage in that, and one of them might be America.
00:49:13.000Secretly, if we're doing this gain of function research on viruses that wind up killing a million people, you don't think that we're going to, if there's some sort of a, look, there was talk during the, I believe it was World War II, where Russia was, there was talk of some sort of a hybrid between a human being and a chimpanzee and trying to devise that for soldiers.
00:50:30.000I mean, this is, it's, it's, to me, the whole, it's all of these things are completely plausible.
00:50:36.000Like, I just, I don't, I tridactyls or the, yeah, I mean, the, the UFO phenomena, I mean, this could have been going on for a long, long time.
00:50:48.000I certainly would include some sort of otherworldly craft as potentially one of the explanations for what that thing is beneath the ground at the labyrinth.
00:50:57.000Well, even if it's not anotherworld of craft, whatever the fuck was going on where someone could make a 40-meter-long metallic thing thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.
00:51:08.00040 meters is half of a damn football field.
00:51:31.000Yeah, and that's why I wanted the labyrinth was so interesting because their announcements around what they, these 800-meter shafts and massive cubes kilometers deep under the plateau is kind of came out of nowhere.
00:51:43.000But there are these accounts for these other places like the labyrinth where there's some like historical legitimacy to them.
00:51:53.000Although, you know, over time, what they're talking about beneath the Giza Plateau, maybe not to the full extent of what they're saying, I'm still having trouble with that, but there's certainly a lot more.
00:52:06.000We know there's a lot more down there, right?
00:52:08.000That we, at least the public, has never discovered.
00:52:12.000We know that there are, so beneath the bottom of the Asira shaft, for example, we know that there are further tunnels that go off from there that go underneath it.
00:52:20.000The Asira Shaft, for people who don't know, is one of the, it's like a, there's three passages, like three rooms, and it goes down a little over 100 feet or so beneath the ground, beneath the causeway on the middle pyramid complex.
00:52:33.000You go down this big ladder, you go into one room, you go down another ladder, there's a bigger room with boxes in it, and you go down a further ladder to the bottom room, which also has boxes in it.
00:52:43.000Today it's the water tables way up high.
00:52:46.000But we know in the past, this is one of the things that has recently come to light, is that down there in the bottom in the 1990s, that was scanned with ground-penetrating radar at the bottom level.
00:52:58.000And they found, yep, there are actually like four meter long, eight feet high tunnels with dome ceilings below that, even further, that nobody, as far as we know, have ever explored.
00:53:09.000There are also tunnels leading off from that bottom level that head off towards the Sphinx and they head off towards the pyramid.
00:53:16.000And in fact, they fork because there was a little known exploration done by a team of Japanese scientists in the early 2000s that got like a camera on a long pole and they shoved it down through the mud and they stuffed it about 20 meters into one of these tunnels and they found these man-made structures, like tunnels, and it forks and it actually forks off and one seems to head towards the Great Pyramid and one keeps going up towards Khufra.
00:53:42.000In fact, if you ever go to the Giza Plateau, that causeway, if you're heading up towards the middle pyramid, you've got the Asara shaft on the left, but on the right, you have, I mean, 10 of these massive shafts that we don't really know how deep they are or whether or not they've ever been fully excavated.
00:53:59.000But they just go way down into the ground.
00:54:01.000So this could be like, you know, it's like the very top layer of things that are being claimed by the Italian scientists and their scans.
00:54:10.000But there was, we know that these tunnels extend down to beneath the Sphinx, for example.
00:54:17.000Like there's long been rumored that there's a tunnel, an entrance at the back of the Sphinx.
00:54:21.000In fact, if you go there, there's a little box and a little hole.
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00:56:25.000But so he, as part of that work, had a guy named Tom DeBecky, who was a ground-penetrating radar expert.
00:56:30.000And he did work around the Sphinx and he found the existence of like large regular chambers beneath the Sphinx.
00:56:36.000And then when that documentary came out, I mean, allegedly, Zahi was incensed by it because it talked about Atlantis and it made the suggestion that this might be, you know, a hall of records.
00:56:49.000And he then denied after that, John Anthony West and Robert Schock any permits to do any further work.
00:56:55.000But what's weird is that Zahi and Mark Lana have this long-standing connection with the Edgar Casey Foundation, which is like this weird dichotomy.
00:57:04.000It's like on the public facing, they decry anything Atlantis based, but then on the private side, they seem to be enabling explorations by the ARE.
00:57:12.000And in fact, they've been enabling the ARE to do drilling experiments and other things at the Sphinx since the late 1970s.
00:57:19.000And there was an expedition, notorious one, that no one ever knew what happened.
00:58:12.000He said, well, a tunnel under the Sphinx.
00:58:14.000And Boris Seed said, that'd be fantastic.
00:58:15.000So I actually filmed him going into the rump of the Sphinx, standing down in there and saying, you know, the quote is something like, even Indiana Jones wouldn't believe that he was here.
00:58:25.000We're standing inside the body of the Sphinx.
00:58:27.000Nobody knows where this tunnel goes, but we're going to open it for the first time.
00:58:31.000And he's down in this space with it, with basically a blocked up tunnel beneath the Sphinx.
00:58:37.000And he filmed all of this, but then this footage all disappeared.
00:58:41.000So during the expedition, it was kind of shut down.
00:58:44.000And then they got into a legal dispute, like Boris Said and Joseph Shaw got into this battle.
00:58:49.000The footage was never seen, but he went on Art Bell in the late 90s and talked about it.
01:00:08.000And so all of a sudden, now we actually have this footage.
01:00:10.000We have Zahi going into the Sphinx at the back saying yeah, if you, Jamie, if you pull up my, I think it's the latest or the couple latest videos about the rare footage found from the Sphinx, it opens with that footage.
01:01:32.000He never had any further contact with Zahi about it.
01:01:35.000And then funny thing happens in Egypt about, I don't know, eight, nine months later.
01:01:40.000And this is, as reported by Robert Boval and Graham Hancock in their book, Heaven's Mirror.
01:01:45.000And also I found it in the Arabic publications.
01:01:48.000But about eight, I think it was six to eight months later, Zahi makes an announcement in El Aram and these Egyptian publications in Arabic that says, I've made this incredible discovery.
01:01:59.000I've discovered tunnels and chambers beneath the Giza Plateau.
01:02:02.000That's going to change everything we know about the ancient Egyptians and the pyramids.
01:02:07.000And he talked about finding three tunnels, one that was like on the north, one on the south, and then one that was yet to be determined where it went.
01:02:16.000And he made this announcement and then never said another word about it ever again.
01:02:55.000I think there's been plenty of excavations and discoveries that I think were inconvenient for one reason or the other that have probably never seen the light of day.
01:03:06.000I mean, it's, you know, the funny thing that he's, what he said too when he's, when I read that comment he makes about three tunnels, that's that's that's what Al Adressi and El Masadi said as well.
01:03:20.000Like this, these Herodotus of the Arabs, like six to eight hundred AD, when they went down, they described the same damn three tunnels, like chambers and rooms.
01:03:29.000It's like lining up with these historical, same as the labyrinth.
01:03:31.000Like it's lining up with these historical accounts, and then it's just you don't hear another word about it.
01:03:36.000And when you go to the Sphinx today and you finally pop that little box off its butt, the whole thing's been backfilled.
01:03:43.000Like the whole, where you see that camera, where Zahi was standing, that steel beam's still there, but where his head level is, where he's standing, hey, this tunnel goes, it's like the dirt level's here now.
01:04:33.000This is, I think, I mean, it's not a criticism.
01:04:37.000It's maybe more characteristic of archaeological digs everywhere.
01:04:40.000Sometimes the way this works is you might have to wait 20 or 30 years or a decade for information to come out because then it has to get perfect.
01:04:49.000If someone has to publish a paper, they sit on that information until that point, or maybe it never sees the light of day.
01:04:58.000Well, I do think that, I mean, anything that's going to seriously upset the apple cart, like if they came out and found something that was, oh, damn, we found the Hall of Records.
01:05:09.000You know, we found this evidence that is incontrovertible that suggests that there was a predecessor culture and a predecessor civilization to the ancient Egyptians.
01:05:19.000I think there would be some long and hard thinking about whether or not we actually release that because it's going to make everybody look bad.
01:05:25.000Like it upsets crazy, though, that make everybody look bad would be the motivation to keep one of the most important discoveries ever from the human race.
01:06:24.000If they're finding new things, you don't know everything.
01:06:26.000If there's a 40-meter-long metallic object in a labyrinth, it's in a giant atrium that's under the fucking ground, you don't know everything.
01:06:34.000Yeah, I think it's worth taking a look.
01:06:36.000Yeah, I mean, let's at least take a look.
01:06:40.000Like, figure out, we know we're from the scan, kind of where it is.
01:06:42.000Like, we were took a borehole down and we were talking before, you were saying that there might be a possibility of digging a tunnel under the water through to the bottom because the actual area where it is is not in the water.
01:06:53.000That's so the scans seem to indicate it is likely free of water, is that is the terminology I heard from the scan interpretations?
01:07:01.000It's true to say that the issue with the water at Hawara in the labyrinth is the groundwater.
01:07:07.000So, it's this seepage that's coming in from the north.
01:07:09.000And it's so presumably at some point you do get to a form of bedrock that may well be impermeable.
01:07:15.000And if it's sealed and you're cut into that structure, then yeah, you may well be free of water or it might be, you know, it's sealed off the groundwater.
01:07:23.000You can fuck up and let the water through the hole and try to dig a tunnel and flood that too.
01:07:29.000Like the upper levels of the labyrinth, so from the ground-penetrating radar scans at the Madahar expedition, I mean, you have these granite blocks that are like three, four meters wide and this huge labyrinthine structure.
01:07:39.000That's sitting in, I mean, I'm sure it's full of sediment too.
01:07:42.000Like, it's not like there may be some cavities and open, everyone's like, can we dive on them?
01:07:46.000Like, it's full of, it's literally mud and sediment, a lot of it.
01:07:49.000And that's sitting in this sort of salty, brackish groundwater that I suspect is not going to do great things to that granite if it's left for another 50, 100 years or more.
01:07:59.000So there is a pressure to remediate this problem and I think to save what's down there.
01:08:06.000The deeper layers, however, seem like there's a possibility that they're free of water.
01:08:11.000Has there been any proposal to do that?
01:08:13.000Is there any proposal to figure out a way to reroute the water?
01:08:17.000So this is what I talked about in the video.
01:08:20.000There were some studies that started to happen to try and do that.
01:08:23.000And then the guy who was running the study got thrown in jail for talking about it.
01:09:57.000I have a feeling that whole area, that whole complex, you're going to go as if they can really prove that there have been civilizations that have been there for 10,000, 20, 30,000 years, I think it's going to reveal itself one layer of the onion at a time.
01:10:25.000But if you open up the possibility that there's a precursor civilization that was existing in the millennia prior to that, now you've got the Sahara.
01:10:35.000You've got to figure out where the lakes, the river systems, the lake basins were.
01:10:41.000And there's very little of the Sahara that's fully, you know, we're not looking under the sand there.
01:10:45.000We're developing new scanning techniques.
01:10:47.000Let's start looking there because I think there's a, you know, the Assyrians, this crazy place at the back of the Temple of Seti I in Abydos, and it's sitting on top of this aquifer.
01:10:57.000It's like this big subterranean granite structure.
01:11:00.000And I'm like, I bet this was, I think, clearly some sort of functional thing.
01:11:04.000And I bet there's a bunch more of these, but we just don't know where they are because they're under the ground.
01:12:55.000They made these blocks, and there's even an inscription, like a rough inscription of a seated fair, like a seated figure on a throne, sort of drawn on that as if that's what they were going for.
01:13:07.000But if you take the density of the limestone in the Minya region and you calculate its volume, it's in the realm of 5,000 tons.
01:13:18.000Yeah, who knows what was there originally?
01:13:22.000I mean, I just, I think it's baffling enough that we have this, you know, these logistical achievements in that anything above really 300, 400 tons is, Christ, above 100 tons over any distance is a massive challenge for anyone.
01:13:38.000I mean, us to move that sort of a load over the roads and things we have now.
01:13:42.000I mean, shit, even in Peru, you find similar logistical achievements.
01:13:47.000Like, I was just, I spent, just came back from five weeks in Peru.
01:13:50.000I want to talk about that, but I have to pee so bad.
01:13:52.000Okay, so let's pause real quick and we'll be right back.
01:14:21.000I mean, there's some indication that things like the pyramid, the great pyramid, are markers and they're demonstrations of their knowledge and capability.
01:14:32.000We can talk about that in a minute, but there's with the statues, it's no, to me, it's just like, look at us, look how mighty we're like, it's like the same reason we, I mean, why do we make Mount Rushmore?
01:14:43.000We make some big monuments, it's like to leave a monument or some sort of marker behind.
01:14:47.000I mean, the Sphinx, for example, could be a marker in time when you look at it in terms of the great cycle and the fact that it was likely a lion and it's facing due east.
01:14:58.000So it could well be a marker for a particular moment during the processional cycle.
01:15:03.000Which could be either like 10,500 BC or 35,000 BC.
01:15:11.000So each cycle of that, so this is the thing.
01:15:13.000I mean, the Sphinx, I mean, it's been talked about, even like again, you go back to Diodorus Siculus and Strabo and Herodotus, they talked about the Sphinx being vastly older.
01:15:23.000They're hearing things about it being older.
01:15:25.000Gaston Maspero and a lot of the archaeologists, the early explorers for that region, also mentioned it being 12,000 plus thousand years old.
01:15:35.000And there's strong evidence to support that in that, I mean, you have statues of Sphinxes that predate Khufra, for example.
01:15:44.000So when he apparently built it, there's already, we see statues and imitations of Sphinxes, also lions.
01:15:51.000Before that time, you have what's called the inventory stele or the stele of Khufu's daughter, which was a statue that Khufu being Khufra's father.
01:16:01.000So Khufu, Great Pyramid, Khufra, Middle Pyramid.
01:16:06.000This is rarely acknowledged, but it tells the story that Khufu was trying to repair the Sphinx and dig it out of the sand.
01:16:13.000He's Khufra's father, so this could be older.
01:16:16.000But also the name, like the oldest name for the Sphinx is Vruti.
01:16:45.000But this is one of the oldest names for it.
01:16:47.000So if it was indeed a lion and it's facing due east, and we know that things like procession of the processional cycles, processional numerology is deeply embedded in many, many cultures all around the world.
01:17:01.000This is one of the other key bits of context that seems to point to a consolidated origin point for knowledge and data of the cosmos and of geodetic data.
01:17:11.000But knowledge of the procession of the equinoxes is one of those, which is the, you know, basically you mark this by what constellation is behind the rising sun on the vernal equinox facing east.
01:17:21.000So as we look east today, it's somewhere between the constellation of Pisces and Aquarius.
01:17:27.000And it's a cycle that denotes or is due to the Earth's wobble.
01:17:34.000So we have at least three motions of the planet.
01:17:38.000We have the rotation of the Earth, so 24-hour cycle.
01:17:42.000We have the orbit of the Earth around the Sun, 365 and a quarter days.
01:17:47.000And then you have the processional wobble.
01:17:51.000And that is basically that the Earth as it spins does this, it describes this little, like its axis.
01:17:56.000It describes a circle in space which changes the constellation.
01:17:59.000And it's a cycle that takes around 26,000 years.
01:18:03.00025,920 is the typical description for it.
01:18:08.000And what that means is the backdrop of stars, you know, as we're looking at any time is slowly changing.
01:18:16.000It changes only one degree every 72 years.
01:18:20.000So if you're looking at the horizon, like the width of your thumb over 72 years, basically relative to the sun, the constellations behind the sun shift.
01:18:30.000Today it's Pisces, and we're moving into the age of Aquarius.
01:18:34.000And before Pisces was the age of Aries, and for Aries was the age of Taurus.
01:18:38.000And you go back far enough, you get to Leo, the lion, which is another, I mean, this, the symbology, and certainly the dynastic Egyptians, as well as many others, had very similar constellations and names for all of these constellations that we do.
01:18:51.000So I think there's a good indication that the Sphinx could be essentially a processional marker talking about a specific time, which in our current cycle would have been, I think, yeah, around 10,000 something BC, but you could potentially add a whole cycle onto that to go back another nearly 26,000 years.
01:19:40.000It goes back, it's very common across multiple cultures.
01:19:44.000One of the craziest things is actually depicted on the ceiling of the Temple of Dendera in ancient Egypt, the same constellations that we have.
01:19:51.000Pisces, the fish, Aries, the ram, you know, Leo, the lion.
01:19:56.000What do you think is the oldest accepted, like if we put it into perplexity, what do you think is the oldest accepted?
01:20:03.000I would suspect it's either the Egyptians or the Sumerians, because that's about as far back as written knowledge goes.
01:20:09.000I mean, it was the Sumerians followed by the Egyptians.
01:20:11.000I don't know if the Sumerians had a zodiacal acknowledgement, but certainly the dynastic Egyptians did.
01:20:18.000And that seems to have progressed from there down everyone.
01:20:21.000And the interesting thing – So here, we have a sponsor.
01:20:26.000So clay tablets from Mesopotamia, Sumerian, later Babylonian, and the late second millennium BC give the oldest secure written constellation names, including the figures like the lion, the bull, and the scorpion.
01:20:38.000These early star lists, such as Babylonian, three stars each catalogs, and later the mu L.A.P.I.N tablets.
01:21:03.000The iconography of star animals similar to these constellations appear on prehistoric seals, vases, and gaming boards from Mesopotamia may go back as far as 4,000 BCE.
01:21:12.000I think if you go to like Gobekli Tepe and Martin Swetman's theories that a lot of the animal depictions on there may be showing constellations, I don't believe they're the typical zodiacal constellations.
01:21:25.000But it's, I mean, what's interesting is.
01:21:36.000No clear universally accepted constellation names have been identified at Gobekli Tepe, but some carvings appear to depict animals in positions that may correspond to parts of later constellations such as Scorpius, Sagittarius, or Syginus.
01:21:51.000According to a minority of researchers, most archaeologists remain cautious.
01:21:57.000Yeah, a minority being Martin Swetman, probably.
01:21:59.000Seeing these are powerful symbolic animal figures like a scorpion, vulture, and other birds of prey and arguing that firm links to a true zodiac or named constellations are speculative.
01:22:14.000I mean, and more so even just than those markers is one of the, I mean, for me, it's sacred geometry.
01:22:21.000And the processional numerology that's encoded, I mean, this is Hamlet's Mill, what's in the book, Hamlet's Mill, that essentially shows you that a lot of this sacred geometry, which is like a numeral system or these sacred numbers that are repeated through geometry, time, distance, even cosmic cycles as we measure them.
01:22:43.000And then they appear again and again through ancient cultures and in their origin stories and even in their architecture.
01:22:51.000I mean, the Great Pyramid's probably the best example it being the, I mean, I'm sure you've heard that it's like a scale model of the northern hemisphere at a ratio of 43,200 to 1.
01:23:04.000And it encodes so much more knowledge when you consider it from that perspective.
01:23:09.000Knowledge that we can't explain through the dynastic Egyptians or by any capabilities that they had.
01:23:18.000It encodes geodetic data in terms of this very specific shape of the Earth, it being an oblate spheroid, like it encodes that information in it.
01:23:30.000Well, so 43,200 is an interesting number to start with, just because the number of seconds in a day is 86,400.
01:23:40.000So in 12 hours of the day, the amount of sun, like basically the amount of time on a hemisphere or in half of a day in exactly 12 hours is 43,200.
01:23:51.000It's 432 is one of those numbers that shows up again and again and again and again.
01:23:55.000So the Great Pyramid at a ratio of 43,200 to 1 is essentially a scale model of the northern hemisphere.
01:24:01.000If you take the height of the Great Pyramid and this includes the sockle that it sits on, but you take that height, you multiply it by 43,200, you get the polar radius of the Earth.
01:24:12.000So from the center of the Earth to the North Pole, almost exactly within a couple hundred feet.
01:24:18.000And even more impressive is when you take the perimeter length of the Great Pyramid and you multiply that by 43,200, you get the equatorial circumference of the Earth within about 300 feet, which is super interesting because it's flexible.
01:24:38.000So as we've always known, there's been multiple surveys since the 1800s of the Great Pyramid and once its base was cleared off and we got its perimeter length.
01:24:45.000And we've also had surveys looking at how big is the Earth.
01:24:49.000Aristoteles in like 5,600 AD in Greece, he was the first one to give it a go by measuring sort of the angle of the shadow in two different places over a few years.
01:25:01.000And he got the circumference of the Earth to within about 500 miles.
01:25:03.000That was as close as we got until the 1800s and then the advent of modern satellite surveys in the 1970s and 1980s.
01:25:12.000And the funny thing is, is that the more advanced we got as we step closer and closer and right up to the modern satellite surveys, the closer the number came to what the Great Pyramid represents at this ratio of 43,200.
01:25:27.000Right up to the point where it's like the most modern, I think the surveys done in the 80s are still the ones we use today, looking at the actual circumference of the Earth is within about 300 feet of the measure of the Great Pyramid, which makes, I mean, that's within the margin of error.
01:25:44.000It's within the variability of the margin of the Earth of the circumference of the Earth.
01:25:48.000Because you have like the moon and the sun on one side, it literally, you measure it every day, it's going to change about 200 or 300 feet just because gravitational forces are pushing on the earth.
01:25:59.000So that also means that what interesting is if in two seconds of time, if you were standing on the equator, then the Earth rotates precisely the length of the perimeter of the Great Pyramid.
01:26:11.000So in two seconds, it goes, basically, the Earth turns the same length as the perimeter length of the Great Pyramid.
01:26:20.000What's even crazier, and so you have this measure expressed in distance and in time, given that it's this significant number that measures the amount of seconds in 12 hours.
01:26:35.000So the Earth isn't a perfect sphere, right?
01:26:37.000We deviate from being a perfect sphere because, and this is, thank Christ, because it's like that rotation, the oblate spheroid nature of the Earth, the what's it called?
01:26:49.000The spin, the shit, the spin motion of the Earth, essentially, like a dryer, for some reason, I can't think of the word.
01:27:00.000It's flattening our tops a little bit, and we bulge a little bit at the center around the equator, right?
01:27:04.000So it's like that spin force is making us bulge a bit.
01:27:10.000So what it means is that if you measure the Earth this way, like north to south around and then east to west, it's going to be slightly longer east to west.
01:27:31.000But radius or diameter might be 30 or 40 miles difference.
01:27:35.000It's just this, it is this slight equatorial bulge.
01:27:37.000And what it means is that, you know, when you draw latitude and longitude lines on the planet, and latitude being north-south, longitude being east-west, if you get down to the equator, now obviously they, you know, the shapes of them change as you go up towards the poles, but the latitude lines are straight.
01:28:18.000The most accurate model of Earth's shape accounting not only for its rotation, but also for the distribution of the masses inside the planet, making the surface slightly uneven and deviating from a perfect sphere.
01:28:29.000Unlike a school globe, which depicts Earth as an ideal ball, the geoid resembles a slightly flattened at the poles and bulging at the equator potato, with a height variations up to 100 meters due to the gravitational anomalies.
01:28:43.000This shape arises from the centrifugal.
01:28:45.000Centrifugal, that's the word I was looking for.
01:29:03.000To precisely measure elevations above sea levels as oceans follow this uneven surface.
01:29:08.000Imagine if you shrank the Earth to the size of a basketball, the geoid's irregularities would be smaller than the roughness of the orange skin, wow, of an orange skin, yet still impact our daily lives.
01:29:23.000Yeah, so it must be a little exaggerated because I think that that's clearly rougher than an orange, that's clearly thicker than the roughness of an orange skin.
01:30:08.000And if you actually take the Great Pyramid, so there's the thing to understand about the Great Pyramid is that it sits on a sockle.
01:30:19.000I don't know if I've talked about this before, but so we know because we have casing stones, we have that 51 degrees, 51 minutes angle of these casing stones.
01:30:28.000So we were able to really accurate, and we have a few of those still around the base from where they fell off.
01:30:32.000So from that, we can determine the height, and we also have this perimeter length using the casing stones pretty accurately, this survey.
01:30:41.000And now, those casing stones, it doesn't sit direct on the bedrock.
01:30:44.000The pyramid actually sits on top of a 55-centimeter sockle.
01:30:48.000So it's this little platform that sticks out about this much, and it's 55 centimeters high, and it's like sticks out.
01:30:55.000So you have the casing stones, and you have this little sockle that it sits on.
01:30:58.000So you have these two methods of measuring the pyramid.
01:31:01.000You can measure the perimeter length around the casing stones, or you can measure the perimeter length around the sockle.
01:31:09.000And if you, the funny thing is, if you get down to one quarter of one second of latitude and longitude at the equator, the longitude is exactly within an inch or two, the perimeter length of the sockle, and the latitude, the north-south, is the perimeter length of the pyramid.
01:31:34.000So it's encoding the geodetic shape of the Earth.
01:31:38.000The ratio of latitude to longitude is encoded incredibly accurately in these perimeter lengths on the pyramid.
01:31:46.000And it's just, that's just mind-boggling.
01:31:50.000Well, so this would be the skeptic reductionist's answer to this stuff.
01:31:57.000You say, well, you're just playing with numbers.
01:31:59.000It's like, well, the numbers are none of those things.
01:32:03.000Anyone can check that data for themselves.
01:32:05.000Like the 43,200 to 1 ratio of the pyramid, the fact that that's the number of seconds in 12 hours of the day.
01:32:13.000I mean, this, by the way, 43, 432 turns up all over the place.
01:32:17.000The Kali Uyghur is said to be 43,200 years old.
01:32:21.000The radius of the sun is 432,000 miles.
01:32:27.000The king's list from the Sumerians is a total of 43,200, oh no, 432,000 years with one king reigning for 43,200 years.
01:32:37.000So this 432 is one of those sacred geometry numbers that keeps turning up again and again.
01:32:44.000But what's always been fascinating to me in the geodetic information encoded in the Great Pyramid is like you have to understand the shape and size of the Earth to get that ratio so accurately embedded in that monument.
01:32:58.000And we weren't able to do that basically until really recently with satellite surveys, but we certainly weren't able to measure longitude even until like the turn of the 18th century, like James Cook's second voyage of discovery.
01:33:11.000We couldn't measure, we couldn't accurately figure out where we were on those on those east-to-west traverses.
01:33:17.000Like accurately reflecting longitude in the pyramid is astonishing.
01:33:23.000It's one of those things that also relates to ancient maps, having like accurate coastlines with longitude on them.
01:33:28.000But what seems clear is that somebody at some point in the past had very accurate knowledge, not only of cosmic cycles, but also of the shape and size of the Earth itself.
01:33:41.000Like in terms of they surveyed it, they understood its shape, they understood the ratio of latitude to longitude on the planet, and it's all encoded in this monument.
01:33:50.000And it's just kind of scratching the surface on what's encoded in their great pyramid.
01:33:55.000But I mean, the numbers are all there.
01:33:58.000Have you ever had a debate with anybody that thinks that this is all coincidence and that you could take these numbers and just kind of monkey around with them and make any kind of equation you want if you just draw arbitrary distances between certain things?
01:34:13.000No, not because some people do believe that, right?
01:34:15.000Yeah, I mean, so I think there's a difference between when you talk about numbers versus ratios.
01:34:21.000Like it does, once you get to ratios, then it doesn't matter how you measure them.
01:34:25.000Like that's it's like the ratio, it doesn't matter you measure them in mosquito dicks or inches or whatever, right?
01:34:33.000Numbers, there is a lot, I mean, that whole system of measurement, how we measure time, the imperial system of measurement, where the mile comes from, all of that stuff does have these deep roots in sacred geometry and basically cosmic.
01:34:45.000And that's, again, I think all pointing towards a common system or a common set of knowledge that came from.
01:34:52.000But I've not debated somebody about this.
01:34:54.000I don't know that you, I mean, you can't really question the numbers, but there's some incredible, just, I guess, coincidences that are in this whole system that do point towards like, I mean, they get really crazy.
01:35:06.000So here's another one, which I just, this one just pickles my noodle.
01:35:11.000It's so, you know, we know that I've said this before, I think that the sun is, you know, the moon's 400 times smaller than the sun, and it's the sun's 400 times further away.
01:35:22.000So you get this, that's how we get total solar eclipses.
01:35:25.000But there's also another sacred number encoded in their ratios relative to their diameters and the distance from Earth that's the same between the moon and the sun.
01:35:35.000So if you take the diameter of the moon at whatever it is, 2160 miles, by the way, 2160 is also the length of a great month in the processional cycle.
01:35:49.000But 2160 miles times 108, that gives you more or less the distance between the moon to the earth.
01:35:55.000So moons, yeah, so it's a moon's diameter times 108 gives you the distance to the earth.
01:36:02.000The sun's diameter, which is 86,400 miles, which is the number of seconds in a 24-hour period, times that by 108, and you get that's the distance of the sun from the earth.
01:36:17.000So it's like that relationship between their diameter and their distance from the earth is exactly the same between the sun and the moon.
01:36:36.000And by the way, there are temples and places like Cambodia that have 108 pillars.
01:36:40.000Like 108 is another one of these sacred numbers that have been encoded into the way we measure stuff, the way we count for time.
01:36:46.000So it's a huge, there's a huge sort of rabbit hole of sacred geometry and processional numerology that seems to point to some point in the past, someone having all of this understanding to create these systems and to measure things and to do so accurately to the point where the more accurate we get in our measurements, the closer we get to these ratios and data reflected in these ancient structures.
01:37:14.000It's just, and you can't attribute that to these cultures that were on those sites, like the ancient Egyptians or the Greeks.
01:37:20.000It's like, where did this information come from?
01:37:22.000And how come it's represented in cultures from the Norse mythology through South American native Indian myths to these numbers show up again and again, as was shown by Hamlet's Mill, this book, that basically this tome that put that information together and said, well, all of it seems to point to this, you know, this origin point of someone with this information.
01:37:46.000And it's just, it's one more of these contextual points when you combine it with the human timeline and climate and cataclysm and all the endless other contradictions in the megalithic architecture on these sites and stuff like that that makes this concept that we've been advanced significantly advanced, us or someone has, and they've left all these signs and signals and breadcrumbs for us to try and follow to figure out.
01:38:47.000And I mean, that place more than anywhere else is both more mysterious and more obvious that there was something else going on a long time ago.
01:38:56.000Yeah, more of in the delta between these technological levels.
01:39:02.000Like, so in Egypt, you know, I don't, you never want to underestimate what the dynastic Egyptians were capable of.
01:39:09.000They had this long civilization of 300, or sorry, 3,000 years, and they did some incredible work.
01:39:15.000So, you know, they're really good stonework.
01:39:17.000It gets the lines can get a little blurred.
01:39:18.000I mean, you still see the difference, but in Peru, it's different, particularly in the Sacred Valley, places like Tiwanaku in Bolivia.
01:39:26.000But there you have these very distinct lines, like in terms of technology and the stonework and the layering of the stonework in that place.
01:39:36.000Today, I mean, typically it's mostly all attributed to the Inca, but the Inca were really only around for like maybe 300 years maximum.
01:39:44.000The Inca Empire was barely 100 years before the Spanish wiped them out in 1533.
01:40:02.000You see these three different layers of architecture.
01:40:06.000There's a guy in Peru that has been researching this stuff for 50 plus years, him and his father, Jesus Guimara, who has this classification system for the architecture in Peru.
01:40:19.000So you have, he calls them Hananpacha, Uranpacha, Icunpacha, the three levels.
01:40:25.000These words have many meanings in Quechua.
01:40:28.000But it starts with like the oldest stuff seems to be this monolithic, carved, really bizarrely carved mountains, like rock, bedrock.
01:40:40.000There's all these channels and massive structures and shapes carved into the living rock of the mountain.
01:40:46.000It's just like the lowest level usually shows the most erosion.
01:40:49.000Then you have the megalithic stuff, like Sacsay Waman.
01:40:54.000You've seen pictures of that, you know, Sacsay Waman.
01:40:56.000And the core of Machu Picchu, Oyante Tamba, these giant, the streets of Cusco, these huge megalithic blocks that are all got these perfect joins between them.
01:41:05.000You can't fit a razor blade in between them.
01:41:42.000Like it's always like Hananpacha on the bottom, then the megalithic stuff on top, and then the Inca work on top of that because they were repairing stuff.
01:41:49.000So even the Inca never talked about them making sites like Sacsay Waman.
01:41:53.000They have all these other stories for it.
01:41:55.000Like the giants built it is one of the explanations you work.
01:42:04.000You see that clear distinction in the architecture.
01:42:06.000You have the megalithic stuff and then you have the repair work on top, the cobblestone work.
01:42:12.000And there's just, this is all I, once you see this, you can't really unsee it as you go all over the sacred valley.
01:42:21.000And some of these, some of these, this is small compared to the type of stuff you see in Sacsi Waman, where some of the blocks get up towards 200 tons, 150 plus tons, and all of the same type of stone.
01:43:26.000It's incredible work in terms of the amount of stone that's been used, but it's not megalithic or precise, but there are pyramid cultures that stretch back at least 5,000 years.
01:43:37.000But in terms of the real megalithic precision work in South America, we have no clue who did that.
01:43:43.000In fact, there's probably the strangest site.
01:43:47.000One of my favorites is Pumapunku, Tiwanaku.
01:44:29.000And there is a lot of evidence that suggests this place is at least 10,000 to 12,000 years old, again, using endless, like this sort of andesite work.
01:44:40.000See, this is a left turn arrow for some reason.
01:45:44.000And this is at 12,000 feet or 12 and a half, yeah.
01:45:48.000What would be the reason for establishing a civilization at 12,000 feet?
01:45:54.000It gets strange because there's, so the modern, first, the modern dating for it comes from a handful of carbon dates, right?
01:46:03.000They found some carbon dates and they go, okay, 1100 AD.
01:46:06.000But they've also found carbon dates that go back to 1500 BC and they just dismiss them as being unreliable.
01:46:11.000I literally think these carbon dates could literally be the last person someone lit a campfire there or was buried there.
01:46:17.000There's a guy named Arthur Poznanski, who's a Polish professor that lived, he spent 50 years on this site, died in La Paz, published his works 1945.
01:46:25.000I have a copy of his books, The Cradle of American Man, it's called.
01:46:29.000He spent 50 years investigating this site.
01:46:32.000He dated it at 15,000 BC based on a whole range of other geological data, astro-archaeological dating, which is, it has these alignment properties we can talk about.
01:46:45.000He found the skull of a toxodon there, which Toxodon is an extinct Pleistocene era mammal that went out in the Younger Dryas, 13,000 BC.
01:46:54.000There seems to be depictions of saber-toothed tigers and smilodons in some of the artwork there.
01:47:00.000So you have some, they say they're all pumas, but some of them have small canines, some of them have really big canines.
01:47:06.000I mean, why is there a difference here?
01:47:08.000He dates it culturally in terms of it being the origin point for not only other cultures in South America, but also Central and North America through the symbology, the Chicanas, the Incan cross, there's all these other features.
01:47:21.000So he used a whole raft of scientific techniques to date that site and to support his conclusion that it was vastly ancient.
01:47:29.000And then that's kind of all been thrown aside because they found a few carbon remains that were at the 1100 AD mark.
01:47:36.000Why would you build a civilization there at that altitude?
01:47:45.000And it gets wacky because today, Tiwanaku was a port.
01:47:50.000They admit, even the archaeologists, they talk about Pumapunku, it's like a port.
01:47:54.000There was something industrial happening there.
01:47:56.000The stone, if you look at Poznanski's original images with the, there's all sorts of interlocking bits of stone and sluice gates and hydrodynamic features on this place.
01:48:05.000There's a giant steppe pyramid that had this reservoir in the center.
01:49:14.000So obviously water, when it makes, you know, a body of water, when it makes a strand line, it's flat, like it's, it finds its level.
01:49:20.000But only geological processes, and I assume over a fair amount of time, can give it this tilt of a couple degrees, which is what they've measured.
01:49:30.000There's no doubt there is a strand line, but it's tilted.
01:49:33.000So I question whether in the period that they say Tiwanaku was built 1100 AD, less than a thousand years between then and now, that there's been enough geological upheaval in the Andes to tilt this strand line a couple of degrees.
01:49:47.000I don't think it can happen anything like that fast.
01:49:51.000I think this strand line and the evidence that it was a port shows us that this city was in fact vastly more ancient than that and that it was destroyed by cataclysm, by flooding from the melting of the glaciers in the Andes.
01:50:07.000There's strong evidence there that it's seen several, it may have seen multiple cycles of glaciation.
01:50:13.000And the climate would have been different during this period.
01:50:16.000Like the climate changed to make it this arid, sort of inhospitable place that it is today, like where it's just tough to exist at 12,500 feet above the tree line where hardly anything except like fruit varieties of potato grow.
01:50:27.000They must have had better climate or, I don't know, lower altitude, but a better climate at least.
01:51:00.000It's like it's a combination of salt and freshwater.
01:51:05.000But it has these species that can only have come from the ocean.
01:51:09.000But this is like long geological processes.
01:51:11.000So I think it's more likely that there was just a different sub-climate or like a climate zone in that area that must have supported that life because the place is massive.
01:51:23.000The site where you go is only the barest fraction of what is actually there under the ground.
01:52:26.000They've left the big stones there, but they've kind of filled in the gaps and they've built the walls and stuff again.
01:52:31.000And what Poznanski found was that it is an extremely accurate solar observatory, kind of like a, I mean similar to Stonehenge in some ways.
01:52:40.000But if you stood in the center of the west wall and you looked east, so this big rectangle.
01:52:47.000Do we have an image of this so I can look at it?
01:52:49.000Yeah, if you go to Tiwanaka, there's kind of like an overlook.
01:52:53.000If you bring them all up, I can show you.
01:52:55.000Or you can type in Tiwanaka, probably find pictures of it.
01:54:14.000They were just wagon loads and wagon loads and wagon loads of stone every day, every day.
01:54:18.000So that place has been used as a quarry for, you have to, similar to a lot of places in Egypt for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
01:54:24.000And but it's so what you're looking at is you've got to use your imagination to look at the older pictures.
01:54:30.000And even then, it's barely a fraction.
01:54:33.000I think of what's actually there under the ground.
01:54:35.000But what's interesting is Poznanski figured out that if you stand in the middle of that, of the west wall, like so looking this way, and if you looked at the corner pillars on the east wall, it showed you the sun on the solstices would rise exactly on the outside corners of these pillars.
01:54:56.000Now, this is, if you, it looks like that to the eye, but if you measure it with precision instruments, you find it's about 18 minutes off now.
01:55:05.000And so when it was aligned, so it's similar to that, the Sphinx, and like when was it lined up with Leo?
01:55:11.000So when was this structure lined up exactly on the solstices?
01:55:15.000And so the motion of the Earth that would affect that is called the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic.
01:55:21.000It's another one of the Milenkovich cycles.
01:55:23.000So you have, we talked about precession of the equinoxes, which is the wobble.
01:55:27.000So then you also have this tilt, like this change in the tilt of the earth.
01:55:31.000So the actual tilt goes back and forth, I think between 22 and 25 degrees, something like that.
01:55:39.000And it's basically the change in the axis of the Earth relative to the equator of the Sun or the ecliptic plane.
01:55:45.000So this, you know, if you project out the equator of the Sun, where all the planets are orbiting, it's the change in the Earth's tilt relative to that plane, the obliquity of the ecliptic.
01:55:59.000And so on that cycle, it's a 41,000-year cycle.
01:56:02.000Turns out that he dated it using the star charts of the time at around 15,000 BC.
01:56:08.000Now, his work was validated in the early 2000s by the Bolivian, this is a funny story, Bolivian head of archaeology in Bolivia and these astronomers that went there and said, let's check Poznanski's work using the astronomical almanac, more up-to-date information.
01:56:29.000And they said, yes, indeed, he was correct.
01:56:31.000Like, if you assume this was an alignment thing, this would have lined up right on basically 12,000 years ago, 13,000 years ago, 10,000 BC, or plus 41,000 years, I guess, for the cycle.
01:56:47.000And the guy, Gustav, I've forgotten his name.
01:56:50.000But the guy who was in charge of the Bolivian Department of Archaeology at the time, once he made that announcement, lost his job.
01:57:00.000And I don't think it's ever been talked of since.
01:57:02.000Yes, the official dates for Timunaku haven't changed.
01:57:05.000However, these guys also figured out that if you spun it around and you looked from, it's also aligned to the sun sets on those solstices.
01:57:13.000So if you go on the west wall and sorry, you go on the east wall and look west, it also perfectly aligns with the sun sets.
01:57:17.000You also get the solstices in the center.
01:57:19.000So, you know, solstices being, sorry, equinoxes in the center.
01:57:22.000Solstices being the shortest and longest day of the year where the sun's furthest north and furthest south, and then equinox is in the middle.
01:57:30.000So it's perfectly aligned with that, but just off kilter a little bit because of that motion of the earth, the change in the obliquity of the ecliptic.
01:57:40.000So it's not an accident, put it that way.
01:57:43.000It's not just a coincidence that it's aligned this way.
01:57:46.000It was set up that way to be a solar observatory.
01:57:48.000And if you look at it with an open mind, it's an insane deep.
01:57:52.000I mean, even within this cycle at 10,000 BC, I mean, that's the Younger Dryas period.
01:57:57.000This is, you know, this is, and it's a significant marker for South America because I can tell you the younger drys had a tremendous impact on South America.
01:58:06.000Something like 75% of the megafaunal species in South America went extinct.
01:58:11.000Although you are up in the Andes, they may have been more protected from the full extent.
01:58:19.000They would have had the, you know, the blackening of the skies and all the rest of it that would have happened during that Younger Dryas extinction event.
01:58:28.000I mean, they, again, there's been, I think there's been a cycle of glaciation and deglaciation in the Andes that's affected the lake and a lot of the stuff up there in particular, just because we know that there are structures, get this, there are structures beneath the waters of Lake Titicaca today, made from red sandstone that match kind of the oldest layers at Tiwanaku.
01:58:53.000So they might have been made beneath the water.
01:58:57.000So the lake level must have been lower.
01:59:00.000And then something happened where a lot of water got added.
01:59:04.000Temple found on Lake Titicaca, and this is in 2000.
01:59:38.000Like it's like recoded or something, right?
01:59:40.000After 18 days of diving below the clear waters of Titicaca, scientists said Tuesday they have discovered a 660-foot long, 160-foot-wide temple, a terrace for crops, pre-Incan Road, and a 2,600-foot containing wall.
02:00:14.000Atalupa 2000 expedition are the ruins of a submerged pre-Columbian temple, said Eduardo Perea, a Bolivian scientist who was among those who explored the site around 90 miles northeast of the Bolivian capital of La Paz.
02:01:47.000So if you were talking about Tiwanaka, if I was a gambler, I would put it at tens of thousands of years.
02:01:52.000I don't think, I don't even my, as in getting this is speculation.
02:01:56.000I don't think it fits even within the 10 to 12,000 year cycle.
02:01:59.000I think it's got to be tens, like multiple tens of thousands of years for that to be to be um where it is.
02:02:06.000And in fact, when I was there, literally like two weeks ago, we made some observations that I hadn't made there, but i'd spent a bunch of time at Tiwanaku, um over the years.
02:02:17.000But we figured out that those big pillars of that Calisasaya we thought they were andes, they're granite, the ones on one side, they're actually granite and they're very heavily eroded like, like again, you have that big scoop out of it.
02:02:28.000You can see at the bottom where they were buried um, but there's this huge amount of erosion and I just and granite erodes way more slowly than things like limestone.
02:02:37.000So it's just, I think the erosional um data there needs to be studied because I don't know how long it would take.
02:02:43.000Even in that environment, which gets more rainfall than places like it is, it can rain quite a bit, you get these storms, but I I, I think it takes a long time to erode granite that far and um the stuff that's been exposed and above, you know the, the mud, and when there was, there was clearly some sort of big mud flood that came in that knocked this stuff down.
02:03:03.000Uh, the stuff that was been face down or buried in the mud has been quite well preserved and protected.
02:03:26.000Well, you should see, makes reminds me of, like the.
02:03:29.000You should have seen some of the pottery they make bro, like they was uh, we were making, I was making photoshops of my friends with it there's.
02:03:34.000It's literally like dick and balls and like all this pottery it's.
02:03:38.000They have this whole erotic section of um, the Laco Museum and it's it's.
02:03:42.000It's always good for a little giggle, but so is.
02:03:44.000Is it safe to say that less exploration has been done at this site?
02:04:20.000I think it upsets too many other apple carts.
02:04:23.000So to I feel like it's been, it's been, it's it's kind of been.
02:04:27.000Well, we found these carbon dates it this fits kind of the timeline of what the INCA said too, because the Inca talk about emerging from lake Titicaca and going north, being pushed out by the Amara people, and if you think that okay, the INCA arrived in the sacred valley from the south around 1200, between 1100 and 1200 a day, so therefore they might have been at Tiwanaku at 1100 a d.
02:04:48.000So that's, it's kind of fits that timeline, but it doesn't mean anything like the INCA could have been down, that the Tiwanaka could have been there forever right, I think, the INCA sure, that's the timeline for that civilization, but and as we've established everywhere you see, people put a civilization on top of an older.
02:06:17.000But if you actually look at where these courts were, like starting with Monco Capac, the first sort of Hay Inca around 1200 AD, you have the first seven or eight of these Hay Inca, when they would build their structures and their palace, they would rebuild like a megalithic courtyard.
02:06:33.000It'd be these big, massive stones, or they'd inhabit and they'd repair it.
02:06:37.000They'd have these huge, big megalithic courtyards.
02:06:40.000But as soon as they switched from, I think the 8th to the 9th or the 7th to the 8th, it's all small cobblestones.
02:06:48.000It's just all of their courtyards, like their palaces, were made from small local stones stuck together with mud mortar.
02:06:57.000Are you saying that if you say that the Inca built all of this stone, then all of a sudden you're saying, well, between one generation and the next, you lost all of this capability to do the fancy stuff, the big stuff, which doesn't make any sense.
02:07:09.000It's much more likely what they did was they found an abandoned, ruined megalithic city.
02:07:14.000They rebuilt it and they ran out of megalithic courtyards to renovate for their next king.
02:07:21.000So the first bunch of these Hayinkas have these megalithic courtyards and then the next, right up to the end, they're made from small local cobblestones.
02:07:28.000It's like, were they just not special enough for the big special stonework?
02:07:34.000You can't imagine within such a small couple centuries that they lose all that capability.
02:07:41.000It's just not, none of it makes sense.
02:07:43.000The only thing that makes sense when you look at that architecture down there is, yeah, they were rebuilding older stonework.
02:07:51.000They were putting their stuff back on top of it.
02:07:53.000I mean, there's so many amazing – Iante Tambo is one of my favourite sites down there just because it's so obvious.
02:08:00.000There's these giant 80, 90 ton granite blocks that make up this structure and it's fallen apart.
02:08:07.000And then they've tried to move these things and in between them, they've just stacked all these little local crappy little stones in between them.
02:08:14.000I have the Oyente Tambo directory, tons of pictures.
02:08:18.000And in fact, that's a whole other interesting story because that place is another example of what you see a lot of in Egypt, which is this phenomenon of just something happened and they went tools down.
02:09:46.000If you see in the very bottom left here, there's a road that they built.
02:09:49.000And if you look at some of these other images, I'm standing on some of these rocks.
02:09:53.000This one, this is one of the examples.
02:09:55.000They had to build the road around it, the modern road around it.
02:09:58.000And this block, when you pace it out and measure it, it's probably not less than 90 tons of granite.
02:10:04.000And I mean, we couldn't, I mean, shit, the equipment to try and move this on this would destroy this road to try and lift this.
02:10:11.000But there's dozens, there's like a dozen or more of these things all the way up to the quarry at Ollante Tambo.
02:10:18.000But it's just again, it's very obvious that the Inca rebuilt this.
02:10:22.000But something happened here where they went tools.
02:10:24.000Yeah, these are the big 80-ton blocks in the center of it.
02:10:29.000And this is one of the examples I love to show people.
02:10:32.000It's like, okay, you're telling me the same people did all of this stonework stuff in the middle, and like this little filler work in here.
02:10:40.000If we weren't attached to a timeline, it would be way more likely that what you're saying is correct, especially when you're looking at it like this.
02:10:47.000Look at the massive stones and the way they're cut and then what's above them.
02:12:32.000There's like a grid pattern that's been cut into the stone.
02:12:36.000I don't know how with what, but you actually, you can't see this from the ground.
02:12:40.000And we were super lucky and that there was a huge festival going on in the town, and all the guards were at the festival.
02:12:46.000So they'd never let you get up here otherwise.
02:12:48.000We climbed up this halfway up in this mountain to get a picture of those cut lines, which is, again, not attributable to the very basic tools that the Inca had, right?
02:13:12.000I mean, wouldn't this all this, especially from someone like you, wouldn't all this encourage tourism?
02:13:17.000I think you'd think so, but it's not the case.
02:13:19.000In fact, they're getting worse, unfortunately, in parts of Peru, just in terms of the ropes and the restricted areas you can't go to.
02:13:26.000Machu Picchu, unfortunately, you can't get to the famous hitching post of the sun or the central megalithic area.
02:13:33.000Just looking at this drone footage, there's such a clear difference between the original stone that's below and then the stuff that the more modern people built above it.
02:13:43.000There's such a difference in the way the stone is constructed.
02:13:51.000Once you see it in South America, it's very clear because you just, you know, again, in Egypt, you just had a longer ancient civilization that were able to develop higher capabilities than, say, the Inca did.
02:14:02.000In fact, the quarry for this stone is way on that other mountain across the valley at the top.
02:14:07.000You can't quite see it, but it's, you know, they hauled these big blocks over very difficult terrain at height.
02:14:52.000But yeah, so in Tiwanaku, you certainly see a lot more evidence for tool marks.
02:14:59.000In South America, you have tubular drills.
02:15:03.000You have all sorts of kind of crazy what look like tool marks and functional aspects of stone in particularly places like the Coricantia, which is the big central structure in Cusco.
02:15:15.000It was this, today it's a Catholic church, but it's megalithic and the inside walls have all, I mean, some of the blocks have been put out and are on display and there's a lot of the inside structures that are still there.
02:15:24.000Yeah, there are similar sort of tube drills that have been cut.
02:15:28.000There is a lot of similarities to some of the tools that you see in megalithic Egypt.
02:15:37.000I mean, if I was to bet, I would say it's either the same or an offshoot of the same civilization that did the megalithic stuff in the other parts of the world, for sure.
02:15:45.000Like it's just the megalithic work itself.
02:15:48.000It's just like there's skyscrapers in Tokyo.
02:15:52.000It's like, you know, the reductionists and the skeptics will say, well, it's solving this, you know, it's like trying a guy that you want to kill an animal, you make a flint arrowhead or whatever, right?
02:16:05.000And I can understand that process where you are solving a problem and getting at it the same way.
02:16:11.000However, when it comes to walls, like stone walls, I'm very skeptical that two completely separate cultures found the most difficult, the most complex, the hardest way to make a stone wall and chose that.
02:16:25.000Because that's what megalithic walls are.
02:16:27.000Like these giant blocks that are perfectly shaped together.
02:16:32.000In Cusco and in these streets, when you look at some of them have been shaken apart from earthquakes.
02:16:37.000So you can see they're complex, like they're curved.
02:16:42.000Not only does the line, it's not straight, so the lines curve where they join, the face angles change.
02:16:48.000So it changes this way, but also the face angle changes and they perfectly match.
02:16:55.000It's mind-boggling to understand how they might have actually put those stones together.
02:17:00.000This is why it does lead people to the geopolymer ideas or stone softening.
02:17:05.000My buddy Kyle, Brothers of the Serpent podcast, who travels with us, he has a great idea that it might have been a resonance thing where you're actually resonating and grinding stones together slowly.
02:17:17.000So once, you know, you basically they'll match eventually if you're just like grinding.
02:17:21.000There are jewelers' tools like that do similar things.
02:17:24.000You can cut through, you know, they do it on real small stones, but you can cut through granite with a star shape or whatever with these jewelers' tools that get to the right resonant frequency and they just sort of grind through like an ultrasonic drill or something that cuts and just vibrates its way through.
02:17:39.000If you turn it off while it's in there, it's like Excalibur, right?
02:17:44.000You have to have this, but obviously you're talking some advanced technological capability to be able to vibrate a 50-ton stone to make it grind into its neighbor.
02:17:53.000But it's about the most plausible thing I've heard because I can't imagine that this was done by, oh, we lift it up, we measure it, we mark the high spots, we rub it down, we take, you know, we put it back up, and it's saying this for stones that are 150 tons is just not, it's not happening like that.
02:18:09.000Yeah, let's pull up some images of what you're talking about, these very bizarre shapes that they're perfectly matched to fit into each other like a jigsaw puzzle.
02:18:17.000I think in the South America directory there, Jamie, there'll be some walls, some of the walls in the streets across the street.
02:18:22.000The speculation is that they did it in these shapes to protect against earthquakes.
02:19:12.000One thing's for certain, I think, with the nubs that is an observation a friend of ours, Chuck, a geologist, made, which is that if you look at how stone is quarried, right?
02:19:23.000So one of the common methods still used to some extent today, but certainly is attributed to cultures like this and the Egyptians, is what they call the wedge and feather quarrying, right?
02:19:32.000You cut these little wedges out and then you hammer in either wood and wet it and you're trying to split stone, basically.
02:21:01.000Yeah, that Facebook picture there, I guess, is a good nub picture.
02:21:05.000But even in Menkara, there's some evidence that they were flattening some surfaces of the pyramid.
02:21:12.000Whether or not they intended to flatten the whole thing, we don't know.
02:21:15.000Funnily enough, they have actually found that there's probably another hidden entrance to this behind that blank flattened wall there on the Turkey Today airfield anomalies under Menkara Pyramid.
02:21:26.000So this is on the well that the eastern side, I guess, of the pyramid.
02:21:31.000Yeah, the eastern side where the pyramid temple is.
02:21:34.000The entrance is in the north, but there's a flattened part of this wall on the eastern side, and they've been hitting that with like a ground, like a radar thing, and they found that there are some anomalies behind there, so there might well be an entrance behind this wall.
02:21:54.000Then there's some evidence that they had a patch like that.
02:21:56.000One of the hypotheses, again, I got to credit Colin Russ from Brothers construction guy.
02:22:02.000So they look at this stuff and they have a great theory about this because a lot of the decasing stones are missing on the back, but we found blocks that were smooth like that with the angle for the other side.
02:22:13.000So what I think there were probably four patches like that.
02:22:17.000Now, what you could be, one possible explanation for this is like, well, you very carefully grind and finish a section on each side because that sets your angle.
02:22:27.000Once you set your angle, you can use that patch as a reference point to then basically try to finish the whole rest of the pyramid at that exact angle.
02:22:38.000You very carefully set your angle correctly on that patch, and then you can use that as a reference to then smooth out the rest of the surface.
02:23:13.000You know, some people suggest some of them may have been like little, you know, the really, there are different types of nubs.
02:23:19.000The subtle ones, not all workers lifting nubs.
02:23:23.000Some people say in the geopolymer world where they say, well, stones were formed or cast, they'll say, well, these are like heat expansion points.
02:23:32.000I've heard good theories from certain people that suggest it had something to do with the mass of the stone, like a resonant free, like as you change the mass of a stone, whatever resonant frequency it has might alter.
02:26:44.000But it's like, what do they represent?
02:26:45.000Well, so another option, I mean, something else I've heard is that in some places they could have been mounting points for something that was grabbing them or hanging onto them, some tool to finish the wall.
02:27:30.000The one on the left, just next to it, the medium one, that's definitely – and below it actually is a better picture, the Asuka megaliths.
02:27:54.000They've actually been digging up the foundations.
02:27:56.000My wife was there recently, and they've gone underground and they've found original foundations and big walls, and they've just opened some of that up to the public.
02:30:41.000There's an attribution of these is to, they were supposedly owned by a particular king who gave them to like a religious cult to get out of the rain.
02:30:51.000But it's, it doesn't say anything about him making them.
02:31:25.000Like this is a later attempt to replicate it.
02:31:29.000Yeah, look at that cow paddy hammer, whatever the one, the two in the middle there, yeah.
02:31:34.000So this is, and you literally, it's reflects that, I mean, the acoustics in there are incredible, but this is granite and it's been polished to this mirror finish.
02:31:43.000And then it's also been measured for flatness and geometry, and it's insanely accurate.
02:31:49.000There's been a whole series of documentaries done.
02:32:26.000And it's just, there's no explanation for it other than that, well, they did it in order to let this religious sect out of the rain.
02:32:35.000Because it's literally some of the really poorly inscribed, you know, it's like the Egyptian stuff.
02:32:40.000It's like somebody hammered this text Sanskrit or whatever it is, and it says, oh, you know, this king gave this to these guys to get out of the monsoon.
02:32:49.000It's the ancient version of Kilroy was here.
02:33:30.000A lot of them are salt caverns, but we were inside.
02:33:33.000So you have big quarries like this, underground quarries in China.
02:33:38.000We were in Turkey and I have these amazing footage from this massive underground quarry, these caves that were carved in Turkey when we were there.
02:34:06.000Just saying something was going on back then where they were way more advanced than we want to give them credit for.
02:34:12.000And when you take into account the younger dryest impact theory and the natural catastrophes that undoubtedly have befallen many a civilization in the past, it all kind of makes sense.
02:34:36.000Like the history of civilization is one of those things that hasn't changed a whole lot in about 100 years.
02:34:40.000Like the idea that civilization started with the Sumerians and the Mesopotamians 6,000 years ago and now we're here.
02:34:47.000That idea has been around for a long time and it's just everything else around it has shifted such that I mean my, I hope, I really do hope that it's just that there's that the context, that the next generation of academics can take some of this context into account.
02:35:06.000I think a lot of them are growing up listening to stuff like your show.
02:35:10.000I think I think that's going to help, because there's a lot of people that are getting into archaeology now, a lot of young people that are a little bit more open-minded, and then they also encounter some of these very arrogant professors and people that have these ridiculous ideas and think that they should be the absolute gatekeeper of information, which is so crazy, because universities are a fairly new concept.
02:35:31.000The idea that these people that are running these universities, they should be in charge of something this is a new thing.
02:35:46.000That is literally insane, because you're dealing with something that it is not possible for everyone to know and you're not as into it as they are.
02:35:54.000The thing is about, like they are not as into these ideas as you are.
02:36:02.000You are, and so is Jimmy Corsetti, and so is Graham Hancock, and so are many, many other people, and Randall Carlson Carlson and John Anthony West, rest in peace, when he was alive.
02:36:26.000There's a lot of, I mean, it's amazing that the medium has shifted to give people a voice, I guess, that are into it.
02:36:34.000And my friend George Howard has a great way of explaining this in terms of a potential talent pool if you consider like, okay, so current academics, at least the ones that are the old guard now, have kind of been selected from the people that chose to go to university, that got into universities.
02:36:52.000But now with the kind of the internet, and it's like you're exposing these ideas to such a wider variety of people that you can then, there's going to be people out there that think about these things a certain way.
02:37:04.000Assess polymaths that are going to be able to come forward and give those ideas.
02:37:08.000And, you know, it's, I think, you know, the vast majority of significant breakthroughs in pretty much any scientific field have usually come from somewhere that's not within the box thinking.
02:37:18.000It's usually anti-established or it's outside the box thinking.
02:37:22.000Not always, but a lot of those ideas came from like, this has come complete from left field, like germ theory, all that sort of stuff.
02:37:28.000It's like, what are you, you're crazy.
02:37:30.000You've got this dumb idea and then turns out, ah, you know, 30, 40 years later, it's like, that was the right idea.
02:37:37.000I mean, I'm hopeful as well that, yeah, the next generation of academics will be able to embrace a lot of these, the context for some of these ideas, and then try to explore them because I think ultimately that's what's needed is some take some of these ideas seriously and bend some of our resources to try and explore them on the ground and in full because there's only,
02:38:00.000you know, ultimately it's the people that have the control and are able to do the real on-the-ground research are the ones that will be able to confirm or change it.
02:38:09.000But it takes real science in a lot of cases.
02:38:11.000And also, we're currently obsessed with our impact on the environment, which is not a bad thing.
02:38:16.000It's a good thing to be conscious and aware of our pollution and our emissions and all that good stuff.
02:38:21.000But if we were absolutely certain that civilization has been utterly destroyed by something that is outside of our capacity to control, probably a good idea to know that that's happened.
02:38:38.000And to deny the possibility of even exploring that concept because people are going to get their feelings hurt because they're so bitchy to each other.
02:38:48.000That's the craziest thing you find out about these academics.
02:38:52.000When anybody has any sort of an idea that's heterodox, any sort of an idea that's outside of the narrative that they've been teaching forever, they attack each other's reputation.
02:39:12.000But they're also in today's day and age of these shows where, like your show and all these other ones that we mentioned, there's a much more attractive approach to these ideas, you know, where people are not like bitchy authoritarians, but they're rather people that are absolutely fascinated by something that is undeniable.
02:39:33.000The size of these stones, the similarity to them all over the world, all these different mysteries, the fact that many of them are covered in mud, the fact that enormous stones look they've been knocked off by some immense force.
02:39:52.000Yeah, and it's really only not that long since we've had the ability to apply some of these disciplines to these problems, like engineering.
02:40:01.000It's since the Industrial Revolution that we've even had enough background knowledge to kind of understand these problems because we have to solve them ourselves.
02:40:11.000Or think about how Christopher Dunn approaches the idea of the Great Pyramid itself.
02:40:15.000No one would have ever been able to do that 200 years ago.
02:41:28.000And that's one of the reasons that drives me too is why it's, I think that's a big factor in why this is important.
02:41:36.000It's altruistic, but I do believe that having if we could change that pillar of humanity from like, well, we were Stone Age and now we're a space age to the cyclical nature of we've been here, we've not been knocked down.
02:41:49.000Be aware of the dangers, like solve the longer-term problem.
02:41:51.000I do genuinely think like a whole generation that's exposed to that, that has that inbuilt as they're like, hey, background knowledge of what it means to be a human, then maybe we would solve those problems.
02:42:02.000Yeah, maybe that's a constant test every 12,000 plus years.
02:42:09.000And it seems like no one's really solved it yet.
02:42:11.000You know, and we probably get a little smarter every time we do it.
02:42:16.000But it takes forever and it probably sucks for a long time.
02:42:19.000Well, it seems like it's not every 12,000 years or so is like there's definitely been events that are orders of magnitude greater than anything we've experienced in our the last several millennia.
02:42:31.000You know, like a thousand Katrinas or whatever at a time kind of thing.
02:42:35.000And there's evidence of like things like the Tunguska event, where like something a little bit more than we've experienced before happens, but nothing compared to what has experienced we've experienced or the Earth has experienced in the past.
02:42:49.000We've not experienced, we've, yeah, we've had, we've had nothing, but it does, if you go back the last couple hundred thousand years, it has this periodicity, it seems like, that does, for some reason, align with some of those, those 12,000 years and 26,000 years kind of cycles.
02:44:44.000So this is an ancient idea that there was a worm or a substance that had the power to cut through and disintegrate stone, iron, and diamond.
02:44:53.000And Solomon is said to have used it in the building of the first temple in Jerusalem in place of cutting tools.
02:44:58.000For the construction of Solomon's temple, which promoted peace, it was inappropriate to use tools that could also cause war and bloodshed.
02:47:01.000One of the things, too, they had to build that Temple of Solomon quickly so that he was like, we can't use the regular methods, but we also need to be able to cut stone quickly.
02:47:09.000So one of the things the Shamir was described as doing is being able to cut these sort of hard stones.
02:47:14.000Like I think it described like diamond even.