In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, the comedian and podcaster joins me to talk about how much time we spend on our phones, and why we should all get rid of them. We also talk about why we need to stop wasting our time in front of the screen.
00:01:00.000You feel like a fool sitting there staring at your camera, holding it in your hand.
00:01:03.000I always said, like, if there was a drug that made people stare at their hand for six hours a day, everybody would be like, oh, my God, was this really a problem in this country?
00:01:10.000People are just staring at their hands.
00:01:13.000Well, we looked at that last time that we were on.
00:01:14.000We had the photo of that guy, that artist that had taken images of people looking at their phones.
00:01:26.000And now, of course, there's AR glasses that are eventually going to put whatever TikTok feed in one eye where you're watching someone in the other eye.
00:03:48.000Oh, you need to lean in, but it's like, oh, there is way more willpower you need to use in order to be able to not than like just whatever the course of natural human history is or natural human behavior.
00:05:20.000It's so, Venice is so gorgeous and so ancient and so interesting.
00:05:25.000And to have this self-important twat pour a bunch of green dye into that water, you should go to jail for that.
00:05:33.000Like you're, you're ruining this experience for thousands and thousands of people who don't, not just the ones who live in that amazing place, but the ones who get to visit.
00:05:44.000I mean, someone figured out a way to make a whole city by shoving pylons into the ground.
00:07:04.000In some ways, I understand why the rhetoric gets more and more inflammatory.
00:07:10.000So if you care about an issue, if you really, really think that this issue is important and people don't listen, you start to shout a bit louder.
00:07:20.000And then you shout a bit louder and then you shout a bit louder.
00:08:11.000you know who are those two gentlemen that we had in recently jamie the guy from mit and the other guy from was he from yale or stanford Where was he from?
00:08:20.000Anyway, these two brilliant scientists who have analyzed the data.
00:08:25.000And one of them was going over the actual understanding the equations that you would need to understand in order to really be able to calculate what is having an effect on the climate and how many different factors there are.
00:08:40.000And all of them working synergistically in some weird, unexplainable way.
00:08:46.000And then the cold, hard reality of climate data over the past X amount of millions of years, where it's always done this glaciation and then the glaciers, they recede, and then you get higher ocean levels.
00:09:17.000And we got that close at one point in history to having such a low oxygen level on this planet and such a low carbon dioxide level because there was no plant food, right?
00:09:30.000That these fucking plants almost died.
00:09:32.000We almost lost all life on this planet.
00:09:35.000We've gone like a few degrees from that happening.
00:09:38.000This is the glaciers are fucking scary.
00:10:08.000You scared the shit out of everybody, and you were 100% wrong.
00:10:12.000One of the problems I think people have is if you really care about something and you're convinced, whether your conviction is incorrect or not, you're convinced by it.
00:10:20.000So what you do, you say a thing, people don't listen.
00:10:23.000Say it a bit louder, people still don't listen.
00:10:24.000Say it a bit louder again, people still aren't listening.
00:10:26.000And the problem is it's a misunderstanding about what compels and convinces other humans.
00:10:34.000What we think is if people aren't listening, if I shout louder, they're going to pay attention.
00:10:37.000What we don't realize is that actually turns everybody off.
00:10:41.000Because if you just see someone throwing soup over a Van Gogh painting, turning the canals of Venice green, gluing themselves to the M25 in London and stopping people from being able to get to work, like it gets attention, but you're not looking for attention.
00:10:59.000You're trying to compel people to believe the thing that you believe.
00:11:02.000And I think that it does the opposite.
00:11:04.000And I understand why it's so seductive because you think making it's cool to your own side to do something flaming sword wielding truth teller.
00:11:15.000I'm going to charge through and look at how cool it is.
00:11:18.000But making somebody feel stupid or embarrassed or inconvenienced or upset is a really bad way to change minds.
00:11:25.000So I think if people really care about changing minds, they need to realize, and assuming that they think that they're correct, they need to realize that like intellectual chasm from where they are and where other people are.
00:11:38.000And you go, okay, I'm going to take you one step at a time.
00:11:40.000So even if you were to accept that the science and all of the stuff that the climate change people believe in is accurate, I still think that the strategies that they're using aren't going to be effective because I think it turns more people off.
00:13:10.000Ignis Sammelweis, like 1840s, he realizes that doctors are transmitting childbed fever from corpses to mothers because they're not washing their hands.
00:13:20.000So he begs his colleagues to start adopting hand washing, and he gets mocked by academia.
00:14:00.000And the problem is the difference between somebody being a righteous Cassandra with the ability to see the future and just being a crazy person who's been convinced by bad data or like perverse incentives, it's very hard to work out which one you are.
00:14:19.000Perverse incentives is the real word because here's the thing, folks.
00:14:22.000We do have a horrible impact on the environment.
00:15:25.000Well, there's a bunch of green initiatives, and those green initiatives get funding.
00:15:29.000And they get funding to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.
00:15:32.000And if you know anything about any sort of non-profit, like someone just pulled up some, there's a non-profit about animals, and they just released what a fucking scam it is.
00:15:43.000There's so many of these nonprofits where the vast majority of the money is going to salaries.
00:15:48.000Like most of the money is going to salaries.
00:15:52.000And there's a tiny fraction of that money that gets allocated to whatever that cause is.
00:15:57.000Which is why it justifies people who work for the organization to sustain the organization's existence.
00:16:08.000Here's the thing: all of their predictions, all of the climate change predictions are totally inaccurate.
00:16:15.000Every single one by all the doomsayers.
00:16:17.000So you would think they would course correct.
00:16:19.000You would think they would say, okay, no one's arguing that the particulates that get emitted into the atmosphere by coal plants are not terrible for everyone.
00:16:30.000No one's arguing that glyphosate is good for you.
00:16:35.000No one's arguing that the poisons we're putting in rivers and streams, no one's arguing that's good for you.
00:16:41.000The stuff that gets into groundwater, no one says that's good.
00:18:22.000Even if they're not making money other than their salary, if your salary is a million dollars a year to run a charity, maybe that charity is fucking horseshit.
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00:19:50.000Well, the argument would be in order to get somebody of the standard that you need to run this charity at the level that it needs to be run at, you need to give a competitive salary.
00:20:00.000What an amazing job they're doing where 95% of the money goes to overhead.
00:20:05.000What an amazing job you've done in having zero-shaped- Please show me your efficiency plans.
00:20:10.000The zero progress in any of your air quotes science that you're pointing to that's showing these prediction models.
00:20:20.000All their prediction models are wrong.
00:20:22.000And they always quote things that are wrong, like storms are stronger, they're more common.
00:20:27.000No, you're just looking at a strong storm.
00:20:29.000If you look overall, there's always been strong storms.
00:20:41.000He has, like, one of the most interesting stats that I learned from him was climate-related deaths have decreased by 98% over the last century.
00:20:51.000So one of the things that people don't consider when they look at the cost of energy and energy production is that you need to be able to protect more people are killed from heat than are killed from cold.
00:21:04.000And you need to protect from heat by using energy.
00:21:06.000And if you're going to produce cheap energy, some byproducts are going to be spat out into the atmosphere.
00:21:11.000But the impact of the creation of the energy is way more effective at increasing human longevity than the side effect of the energy being made.
00:21:23.000Dude, I've heard Richard Betts, director of the IPCC intergovernmental panel on climate change on the show.
00:21:29.000Hannah Ritchie from Our World in Data.
00:21:31.000Like, I've really tried to get a good balance on all of this stuff.
00:21:35.000But Alex's position in that area, which is it's a very luxury belief to hold to talk about how green we must be in the West when you have access to unlimited energy.
00:21:49.000I think a billion people worldwide don't have access to reliable electricity.
00:21:54.000Like half a billion people are still using wood and dung in order to be able to produce their electricity.
00:21:58.000That was the data that he showed me the last time we spoke.
00:22:01.000That means that if you've got a baby that's on a ventilator, a newborn baby that needs to be put on, that baby dies.
00:22:09.000That baby dies because that particular country does not have access to clean, to cheap and reliable energy.
00:22:17.000Cleanness does not matter for these people.
00:22:19.000Yeah, I've heard that argument that the best result worldwide would be to increase the power supply to all these third world countries.
00:22:27.000And then you would have this ability to start manufacturing, doing a bunch of different things that we associate with the negative aspects of the West.
00:22:35.000You know, the negative aspects of the West that cause pollution, that cause all these different things.
00:22:39.000The problem is electricity is a real bastard to try and move.
00:22:42.000I think the entire grid has got eight minutes of battery backup, 10 minutes of battery backup.
00:22:50.000It's so little and it's so cumbersome and you lose it as you transport it further.
00:25:02.000I remember a documentary I watched back in the day that was about hypernovas.
00:25:06.000And when they first started measuring these gamma bursts in space, they thought that maybe alien races were at war with each other because there's this enormous burst of energy and they realize it's stars going hypernova and how many of them do it all over the universe because the universe is so big.
00:25:23.000And there's just a single beam of like a death ray that gets sent out across the universe.
00:26:10.000I mean, I'm kind of obsessed with this idea of toxic compassion, which I think is what you're talking about.
00:26:15.000So the prioritization of like short-term emotional comfort over everything else.
00:26:23.000And I remember Elon was talking a couple of years ago.
00:26:27.000Someone had accused him of contributing to climate change, so on and so forth.
00:26:31.000And he says, I think I've done more to reduce climate change than any other human on the planet.
00:26:35.000That if you look at the EV revolution being started by Tesla plus everything else from a technology perspective that we're doing, I think that there's an argument to be made that I've had a more positive impact on the future of the climate than any other human.
00:26:49.000He said, what I'm interested in is the reality of doing good, not appearing good, and not appearing to do good while doing bad.
00:26:58.000And this, the opportunity people have to be able to look like they're doing good while not doing it is exactly where this toxic compassion thing leaks in.
00:27:09.000So for instance, people will proclaim that body weight has no impact on health over a long duration, even if this causes overweight individuals to not take their health as seriously and literally die sooner.
00:28:37.000And there's also a culture that gets, well, I'm not one of those because I don't care about material goods, but I'm really interested in climate change.
00:28:44.000And so then, you know, you join up with whatever fucking climate change group that's yelling and shouting and you carry a sign and you do all these things that you're supposed to do and you get free water.
00:28:54.000The whole thing is just, it's a psychological game that people are playing with themselves.
00:28:59.000They try to appear that they're special and to be in competition or in battle with the other side.
00:29:06.000But if you're in battle with people that are saying, hey, none of these models are correct.
00:29:14.000Hey, none of these predictions have come to bear.
00:29:29.000If we can all agree that if we're doing something bad to the planet and it's somehow or another avoidable, let's work towards that.
00:29:36.000But if you're telling me we're doing something bad to the planet, and then when I say, well, show me, and you can't, well, what about all these predictions?
00:30:26.000The film depicted a potential sea level rise of up to 20 feet, six meters, in the near future from the collapse of Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets.
00:30:35.000While this extreme scenario is considered possible over centuries or millennia, scientific consensus does not support this happening.
00:30:42.000Eminently, current rates are much slower, even with acceleration reaching 20 feet would take many centuries.
00:30:49.000Another one, Mount Kilimanjaro glacier melt caused by global warming.
00:30:53.000Goal attributed the shrinking of Kilimanjaro's glaciers mainly to global warming, but later research points to other major causes like sublimation and reduced snowfall, unrelated primarily to temperature.
00:31:08.000The film often implies that catastrophic outcomes like rapid ice sheep collapse and dramatic sea level rise might occur within decades when in reality such processes are expected to take much longer, often centuries or more.
00:31:25.000A UK court found nine errors of exaggerations in the film, mostly involving a lack of clarity on time scales or oversimplified attributions like Kilimanjaro.
00:31:37.000Overall, climate scientists judged an inconvenient truth as mostly accurate with its projections, particularly in broad trends, but criticized its presentation for occasionally exaggerating the speed and certainty of some changes.
00:32:16.000And what it means is you're allowed to do good while appearing bad and do bad while appearing good.
00:32:22.000And it's way easier to do bad or to just not research.
00:32:26.000And it's significantly harder if you're like, I'm going to go out, try and invent something, try and push against an idea or an ideology or a campaign for a movement that I think is really, really important.
00:32:40.000And people are going to say that I'm doing something mean or people are going to call me names for doing it.
00:32:46.000And I think that's what Elon's point is, right?
00:32:48.000What I'm interested in is doing good, not the appearance of it.
00:32:52.000And I see a lot of people who are doing bad while appearing good.
00:32:55.000Well, you know, I think it's no, through no fault of their own, young people are indoctrinated into this world when they start going to college that you have to be active and to be an activist is to be a good person and to be involved in these campus activities is a good thing.
00:33:10.000And there's also, there's a tribal aspect to it.
00:33:12.000You know, you're on a tribe of people that are the people that are on the right side of history.
00:33:17.000These are the people that are kind and compassionate unless you disagree with them.
00:33:21.000And these are the people that are, they trust the science unless it's inconvenient.
00:33:26.000And these are the people that, you know, you want to be in the educated minority.
00:33:31.000You want to be the people that get it.
00:33:33.000And you want to, it's very important that you use your voice.
00:33:38.000You know, and so they think they're being good people.
00:33:40.000And I get that and I understand that, but it's being weaponized against you.
00:33:45.000And it's probably not even funded by legitimate people.
00:33:49.000It's most likely there's at least some funding by some foreign entities that are just trying to sow discord and make sure that everybody hates everybody.
00:33:59.000That'd be a wonderful way to take down any country, right?
00:34:01.000To make it feel as if it was coming from inside.
00:34:08.000There was a thing recently with ChatGPT where they found out that these entities in China were using ChatGPT to argue about USAID shutdown.
00:34:19.000They ran all these social media accounts.
00:34:22.000The Twitter account thing where you can see where the accounts are based.
00:35:06.000I certainly know that assuming that you're on the right side of history, especially if you're in a big group, is often a bit dangerous position to be in.
00:35:18.000So that Cassandra complex thing that I was talking about before, sometimes people might say, it's your duty, if you believe in a thing, to stand firm.
00:35:37.000know about the surveillance that's going on.
00:35:38.000There's a really wonderful example, the comparison between Copernicus and Galileo.
00:35:43.000So Copernicus in the 1500s, he begins to realize that the Earth might not be the center of the solar system, let alone the universe.
00:35:53.000And he has enough evidence to justify it, but he waits until his deathbed to actually sort of whisper out his great work, which is De Revolutionabus, this work that he made.
00:36:05.000And he does it on his deathbed, presumably to avoid the wrath of the church.
00:36:08.000Now, some sort of hardline freedom fighting, you should do it.
00:36:13.000Don't listen to the man, don't back down, like just stand on your principles, people would say, well, that's a cowardly thing to do.
00:36:18.000You knew what the truth was and you didn't stand by it.
00:36:21.000A hundred years later, Galileo comes along.
00:36:24.000He sees the moons of Jupiter, sees the phases of Venus, sees the pockmarks on the surface of the moon, and he realizes that the heliocentric model, this like Copernican revolution, is true, proclaims it from the rooftops.
00:37:07.000And you go, well, the main issue that I have with like basically being right and early often feels a lot like being wrong.
00:37:16.000And if you make an example of somebody in that way, it is basically you saying, if you step out of line too far, this is what's going to happen to you.
00:37:28.000And it causes people who are trying to move conceptual inertia forward.
00:37:33.000I'm trying to assess whether or not this is actually the way that the world should be.
00:37:37.000It causes them to be more Copernicus, not more Galileo.
00:37:41.000And I think that's not what you would want in a civilization that's trying to continue to make progress.
00:37:50.000You would want to be accepting of new ideas and you would want to encourage them as opposed to castigating people.
00:37:54.000Do you think that social media and the influence of other people's opinions, it makes someone more likely to be able to think for themselves or less likely?
00:38:08.000Like more likely to be able to examine preconceived notions, recognize like, oh my God, maybe I'm biased or maybe it's just like a group bias that I've accepted because of all the people around me.
00:39:09.000Most people don't want to have to do the thinking of coming up with an original opinion.
00:39:12.000I'm sure that most of mine aren't original.
00:39:14.000But given the fact that doing the original thinking is hard, most of the culture war is actually two armies of puppets being ventriloquized by a handful of actual thinkers.
00:39:24.000Most people are just being brought along and pushed along by people who came up with an idea.
00:39:29.000And they're assuming, well, we know this for a fact.
00:39:32.000Well, it's interesting because both sides know for a fact the thing that the other side says is a lie.
00:39:39.000See, I get the sense that it causes people to adhere to the crowd more, more than they would have done previously.
00:39:48.000And you also have to think that if you're spending that much time on it, like six hours a day, it's one of the primary influences of your life.
00:39:54.000Probably more so than any other media in the past.
00:39:59.000Because it was very rare as a child that you would listen to six hours of the news.
00:40:04.000You wouldn't really be indoctrinated into six hours of whatever the latest cultural dilemma was or the latest social issue was.
00:40:13.000You get people talking about it like normal people do during the day, or maybe you'd be talking about a newspaper article you read, but you're not getting six hours of it all day long.
00:40:54.000And if you saw your parents that much, it'd be kind of creepy.
00:40:58.000The average screen time for 18-year-olds, seven to eight hours of total screen time per day is common, though it varies a lot by person and country.
00:41:08.000Okay, what country has the least amount of screen usage?
00:41:12.000Would you want to discount school time too?
00:41:14.000Because aren't they on screens technically in school?
00:41:17.000I mean, it's like phone time, I guess, right?
00:41:20.000Yeah, I think it's personal phones they're talking about.
00:41:23.000I mean, a lot of kids have to be able to do that.
00:41:24.000I've noticed iPads, my laptop open in my screen time, because I'm connected to the same iOS system.
00:41:30.000So I'm getting like 18 hours a day, but I'm like, I'm not on my phone 18 hours a day.
00:41:34.000interesting um so let's guess like what countries well you'd have to have first world countries for it to count You know, like if you're in the Congo, you probably don't get as much screen time.
00:41:48.000No, you're busy mining the fucking raw materials.
00:43:54.000I saw them, they arrested a teacher because he refused to refer to one of his students as a they.
00:44:00.000And this is like his second infraction.
00:44:03.000And so they arrested him for failure to recognize a singular plural.
00:44:14.000Look, I really don't like, I don't like shitting on the UK because it feels like I'm pulling the ladder up after I've just got out of it.
00:44:21.000But it's just, I don't know how many more ways you can face plant over and over again.
00:44:26.000And there's this bit, there's a strange kind of romanticization of the past of the UK where we, oh, English common law and we stop the transatlantic slave trade and we use the navy and so on and so forth.
00:44:37.000But like we're really living on borrowed time now as the UK.
00:44:41.000It's been a good while since the UK sort of contributed in that sort of a way.
00:44:45.000There was a, you know, Alan Turing from World War II.
00:44:54.000So he was gay and he was chemically castrated by the British, despite the fact that he was literally our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right?
00:45:02.000He was a very British version as well.
00:45:06.000So he decodes the machine that the Germans are using to send their secret messages.
00:45:11.000This means that we're able to detect exactly where the U-boats are going to be.
00:45:15.000And it results in some really awkward situations.
00:45:18.000Like if we are, before we're going to use all of our force to try and take Germany down, if we avoid all of their planned bombings, they're going to guess that we might have the keys to some of their communication.
00:45:31.000So they had to start making decisions about which boats needed to be let attacked and which boats needed to be saved.
00:45:39.000knew all of the different attacks that were coming but if they got rid of all of them if they were safe from all of them the germans would start to catch on so they had this really oh god So this guy, this guy is our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right?
00:46:05.000Oscar Wilde in the 1800s, one of the greatest writers of all time.
00:46:10.000He's jailed and then dies in exile as a peasant in France because he was gay.
00:46:15.000And then 70 years after Turing, Gordon Brown, it's like 2008, 2009, publicly apologizes.
00:46:23.000They bring out this thing called the Turing Act, which gets rid of the criminal records of all of these people from history, like posthumous, and some of them are probably still alive, actually, like some of these people that had been, whatever it was, convicted of indecent behavior, improper behavior at the time.
00:46:41.000And then they put Turing on the £50 note.
00:46:44.000So Britain has, for all that it's fantastic and I love it and it's the country that I came from, like it does have a history of fucking persecuting people for what's deemed improper behavior at the time and then apologizing for it a couple of decades later.
00:46:57.000And I think with the online safety bill thing, just I think it's going to be the sort of thing that you look back on and go, that was not, in no one's world, was that a smart move.
00:47:07.000I don't think that it's a, I don't think that it's helping anybody at all.
00:47:11.000Well, it just appears that they want total, complete control over what people say over there and that they don't want criticism of the government, criticism about immigration, criticism about, you know, fill in the blank.
00:48:03.000Like this, we figured out a long time ago that free speech is very important to figure out what's right and what's wrong.
00:48:09.000And when you suppress people's speech, you can get away with a lot of fucking horrible things because you stop people from being able to protest it.
00:48:17.000You know, in a small part, we saw a lot of that during the pandemic.
00:48:20.000And, you know, you see what the consequences of that are.
00:48:24.000You can't trust people that want power.
00:48:29.000Well, anybody that wants any kind of control over a group of people, if you want to control what they say, if you want to control where they go, you want to put them in 15-minute cities, you can't trust that because the natural inclination when someone has power is to never let it go and to ramp it up.
00:50:12.000You were in a more psychologically preferable position than somebody who's number two in the world, but last year I was number one.
00:50:21.000This sense that humans have of where am I now compared to where I was previously.
00:50:26.000I spoke to Dan Bilzerian about this forever ago, and I was like, dude, you've kind of climbed the peak of the mountain of hedonism.
00:50:32.000Did you ever think that you kind of front-loaded it too much and that it's going to be really, really difficult for you to ever reset, like do a hedonic reset?
00:50:42.000How do you go from the most amount of girls in the cars and all the dopamine that the world has to offer?
00:50:49.000And he basically said, yeah, he was like, I'm going to try.
00:50:52.000I would consider shaving my head and my beard and going and working in an Amazon warehouse for six months to see if I can do like a hard reset.
00:50:58.000But you always know that you've got to get out of jail free cards, so it's not going to be the same.
00:51:01.000And just the idea, as you're saying, somebody has power.
00:51:40.000Some people get shadow banned, but most people that are shadow banned, they just suck.
00:51:43.000Yeah, most people just don't understand that they're not interesting.
00:51:46.000But there's definitely real shadow banning going on.
00:51:48.000One of the things that was interesting is that once Elon purchased Twitter, I gained like 5 million followers over the course of like a couple of months.
00:52:14.000And then somewhere during the woke days, during the dark days of woke, when it all started happening, which is around, I think, 2014, 15, 16, it started really ramping up.
00:52:25.000And then it seems like from 16 on, real censorship started really kicking into high gear because then they had a reason for it.
00:52:39.000I believe, I don't want to say the tech company because I might be incorrect.
00:52:44.000But one of the people, one of the main people at this tech company specifically said at the meeting, we have to make sure this doesn't happen again.
00:53:01.000But the point being, imagine you are in control of an enormous platform, an enormous media platform that controls the discourse of untold billions of people in the world.
00:53:16.000And you have a very specific mandate that you've given to the people that work for you.
00:53:20.000We have to make sure that we control who the king is.
00:54:01.000But there's also an argument for, don't you think it's a good idea if we have at least one of these motherfuckers that's huge that you can go wild, wild west on and say whatever you want?
00:54:27.000Like you can curate who you're communicating and interacting with.
00:54:31.000But if you don't have one of these groups that's resistant to intelligence agencies shutting down legitimate voices, including during the COVID times, it was guys like Jay Battacharia from Stanford, guy from MIT, because they were saying something that didn't jive with what the agenda that Fauci was pushing through.
00:54:56.000If you were to sort of predict what the trajectory of the speech stuff is online, talk about America, the UK, I think is just a lost cause.
00:55:04.000Do you think that we're going to continue on this general path, which seems to be a little bit more sanity at the peak?
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00:58:15.000Can you think of an example of malinformation where it's justified in doing that?
00:58:22.000I would say, like, if you had some information and you were releasing it online that was an accurate depiction of some things that the federal government is involved with that would compromise national security to achieve people killed, how to start conflicts.
01:00:40.000Had we been aware or had this been declared at any point before or during the competition, this athlete would not have been permitted to compete in the women's open category.
01:00:46.000The move comes after runner-up Andrea Thompson, British, hey, was filmed storming off the podium as she raged about the bullshit decision to ward the title.
01:00:54.000So the other competitors evidently knew.
01:01:01.000I think about this so much when it comes to sporting competitions.
01:01:05.000And it's not just with the trans thing, although this is a huge deal.
01:01:09.000And I did think that we kind of got past it.
01:01:13.000How horrible is it to be the person who won but had that moment, the podium moment, stolen from you by somebody?
01:01:22.000I think there's a weightlifting Olympics, weightlifting championship final where currently like the 11th place finisher is now first because each person has progressively got popped for PEDs.
01:01:35.000Number one, did then number two, did then number three, did.
01:01:37.000It's like 11 people have been popped for PEDs now.
01:01:41.000You know, when they took away Lance Armstrong's title, so the Tour de France, what they didn't tell you, that if you want to go and remove all of the people that have tested positive for something, you got to go down to like 18th place.
01:02:50.000So I agree that it's reassuring to see what the world's strongest person organization decided that they were going to do in a sort of repercussion to it.
01:03:26.000I believe that's where the rubber meets the road because you're going to lose most women that have ever done a sport.
01:03:35.000You know, if you are a sedentary woman that has no interest whatsoever in athletic competition and you think it's more than a good price to pay to let biological males who identify as women, because we want them to be exclusive, it's more important to recognize and affirm their identity than it is to be fair.
01:06:30.000Now a derecognized International Boxing Association previously disqualified Khalif from the 2023 Women's World Championships after she failed eligibility tests under its own rules.
01:06:41.000Later claimed those tests showed she was ineligible for women's competition because of these tests, IBA officials, some media, and advocacy groups have publicly demanded the IOC strip or reclaim her gold medal, arguing that she could not have been allowed in the women's, should not have been allowed in the women's category.
01:07:00.000Despite those demands, IOC has defended allowing Khalif to compete in Paris, describing the IBA's disqualification decision as arbitrary and saying she met the IOC's eligibility criteria at the time.
01:08:37.000Because it's like, well, there's not very many of them.
01:08:39.000So why are we making such a big deal out of it?
01:08:41.000And it's like, hey, if there's one rapist in the local community, you're not going, well, there's only one of them.
01:08:47.000Like, what's the chances that you run into?
01:08:48.000It's like, no, no, no, we go, we try and treat this problem.
01:08:52.000So first off, there's not many of them.
01:08:54.000Then, well, you know, look at what happens when you take these estrogen, you downregulate your testosterone.
01:09:00.000It's below this particular level, therapeutic, da, And you go, well, yeah, but it's like being on a heavy course of steroids up until you stopped doing that.
01:09:08.000And then how much of that does carry over?
01:09:11.000But just the size, the size of the hands of a person who's 6'4 and 400 pounds compared with a woman who's probably like 220 and 5'8, like grip strength, being able to do, like, that's pretty important in the sport of strong women.
01:10:12.000And then girls wouldn't have this amazing opportunity to get scholarships, which they're being denied because biological males are winning in their category because they allow them to compete.
01:10:23.000And there's a thing called, this is what people don't want to believe, but it's true.
01:10:36.000Sandbagging is, let's say that you're going to enter into a jiu-jitsu tournament and you're going into the Purple Belt division, but you've been at Purple Belt for eight years and you're supposed to be a brown belt.
01:10:47.000And they, you know, for whatever reason, you, or you could even, here's a worse one.
01:10:53.000Maybe you're a black belt in judo, like an elite black belt, and you enter into a jiu-jitsu tournament in the white belt division.
01:11:00.000And you're in there with some fucking dork who's a plumber who's just started taking classes.
01:11:48.000Are there also people that are out of their fucking mind and want an excuse to beat up women and pretend they're a woman?
01:11:54.000If you tell them they could wear a dress and they could just run past all the ladies and dominate them on the field, yeah, they're going to do that too.
01:13:04.000And if they went like gi to gi with, you know, some prime Leo Vieira, black belt, you know, gi master, you know, what a you likely would give the jujitsu person a giant advantage because they'd spend way more time submitting people.
01:13:22.000They would spend way more time working on submissions.
01:13:24.000So judo to jiu-jitsu in a tournament, I would say black belt to black belt.
01:13:29.000They probably have a disadvantage in judo, but a huge advantage over a white belt.
01:13:35.000What do you think about Jake Paul Anthony Joshua?
01:13:43.000Well, realistically, it's one of the craziest propositions of all time.
01:13:50.000You take a guy who just had a boxing match that looks like a sparring match with a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, and then you're going to fight one of the absolute scariest knockout artists in the heavyweight division.
01:14:05.000Maybe we should watch the Francis Nganu fight.
01:14:08.000So you could see, let's watch that real quick.
01:14:10.000Just so you can see what Anthony Joshua is capable of if he's fighting someone that's not in his league.
01:14:16.000Okay, look, Usik beat him, and he beat him twice, and Andy Ruiz caught him in the first fight and dropped him and stopped him.
01:15:02.000And then Joshua, check out this combination he hits him with.
01:15:10.000I mean, dude, the speed that he hits him with this, he's so dangerous, man.
01:15:19.000It's like you're dealing with a guy who's an Olympic gold medalist, and he's enormous, and he's got vicious knockout power, and he's got immense amount of experience at world-class levels.
01:15:30.000Just think about what we said earlier.
01:15:32.000Fought Usuk twice, fought Andy Ruiz twice.
01:18:26.000You can't constantly be frustrating and overloading his nervous system.
01:18:30.000Usik is overloading every aspect of your senses at every moment.
01:18:35.000He's constantly moving, and then punches are coming, and he loops punches around your guard, and he's constantly shifting his feet, and you think he's going to be there, and he's over here.
01:18:44.000And it's like this overload of thinking.
01:18:47.000It's not a casual, relaxed fight where you can kind of move around and get your groove, and he's going to stay on the outside, and you're going to, no, it's just constant.
01:20:32.000Do you think they'll let everybody take the brakes off because there's all rumors about Tyson versus Jake that both of them were sort of pulling punches and not fully letting it go?
01:21:49.000You're saying that the lineage and the trajectory that Anthony Joshua is on, if he happens to go a little bit too gentle and lose by decision to Jake Paul, it doesn't exactly look great for his future heavyweight children.
01:23:08.000But the money they threw Canelo Alvarez to get him to find Terence Crawford, they're throwing insane money.
01:23:15.000They're throwing nutty sums of cash at people to make amazing fights happen.
01:23:20.000Like, this has always been the hiccup in boxing, is that people don't want to fight certain people because they want to protect their record.
01:23:32.000The reported total prize per Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua is $184 million with an even split expected, meaning each fighter will earn approximately $92 million.
01:23:44.000Some reports initially suggest a different figure.
01:23:46.000$184 is the most frequently cited total from sources like Daily Mail and Wikipedia.
01:24:16.000If he loses this fight, he misses out on that Saudi money because they could set up a Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua fight, and each one of them gets $200 million.
01:24:57.000But what I do think is that people take it easier on people if they like them, and it looked like they were taking it easier on each other than you would expect.
01:25:09.000I don't think that's going to happen with this fight.
01:25:11.000I don't think there's any chance in the world.
01:25:13.000Knowing what Anthony Joshua is a specialist at, he's a specialist at putting knuckles through your fucking brain, you know, and that's what he's going to try to do to Jake Paul.
01:25:22.000And anything other than that, from a 34-year-old Anthony Joshua, will make us all think it's a fixed fight.
01:25:29.000Whether or not Joshua can do it, whether or not, I mean, Jake Paul shocks the world and shows us that he really does know how to box really well and moves really good and uses his jab and blows us all away with a strategy and a lot of footwork and movement and brings Usuk into his camp or Lomachenko's dad, even better, who's the guy who trained Usik.
01:28:40.000And the guy's like, and as he's doing it, because he's been training so much, he's coming toward him, distracting him.
01:28:45.000The same way as I go, what's on that t-shirt there?
01:28:47.000Immediately you go, and before he knew it, Bugsy's hit him, spun him around, brick's fallen out of his hand because this guy hasn't set his feet in time.
01:28:54.000It's a problem of having a big weapon.
01:28:56.000Bugsy said, like, you need to set yourself and you need to be able to throw it.
01:28:59.000Like, it's good because it can hurt someone, but it's slow and it's cumbersome and you can't move as fast.
01:29:03.000And he's training every day, every single day, no matter whether he's rapping, he's on tour, he's training and he's boxing and he's fighting and he's sharp and he knows his distance.
01:30:55.000he is now getting back to, preparing for his upcoming tour and tickets are available now and he's he used he used his his His lawyer did a mid-roll ad read for his tour as part of his not guilty verdict, having just beaten up like a van filled with blokes, one of whom looked like a plumber.
01:31:15.000It was your plumber comment that got me thinking about it.
01:31:17.000Like just some white belt that decides, you know, some guy that thinks he's a bit hard, like he's had a little bit of a throw, and this guy's training every single day, sharpening his skills, and he's been doing it since he was a kid.
01:32:56.000Yeah, I think the appropriate force thing becomes interesting in the UK where you don't have as many guns because there's more levels of weapon in between nothing, just hands.
01:34:27.000If you don't have a medieval country like ours, you end up driving on the other side of the road.
01:34:32.000But yeah, so women's shirts, if you've ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie on or something, zipped it up, women's shirts button from the other side.
01:34:40.000They button from the left, not the right.
01:34:43.000The reason for that is that when buttons were first introduced in the 1700s, they were mostly for the aristocracy, and the aristocratic women were dressed by mostly right-handed servants.
01:35:27.000One other element is the gentleman of the days.
01:35:31.000They would have a sword on the left hip drawn by the right hand.
01:35:34.000The way that our shirts are put together at the moment, it can't get caught in the folds because the left fold is over the top of the right.
01:35:42.000So as you draw it, there's no chance that the hilt would get caught.
01:35:45.000So if you're a left-handed person, you have to wear women's clothes.
01:35:48.000That might actually explain more than you think.
01:36:05.000So it was made to be inefficient to slow people down.
01:36:08.000And if you take a normal typer from a QWERTY keyboard and put them on some other formulation that's allowed, they're like 50 to 70% faster.
01:36:16.000So we're still using a designed to be inefficient keyboard because if you type too quickly on a typewriter and you use letters that are close together, the typewriter jams.
01:36:27.000So the letters that were used most frequently were put out onto the edges and it wasn't, it was less often that you were going to put two next to each other so they wouldn't jam.
01:36:34.000I don't know a single person who switched to a different type of keyboard.
01:39:29.000That's how I was trying to find a good idea using it to show you how they type words really fast.
01:39:33.000I think it's a matter of time before you're typing with your brain anyway.
01:39:37.000I think this is like learning to code.
01:39:39.000Yeah, well, I think about this with prompt engineering.
01:39:42.000Like, if AI gets progressively better and better, the idea of being a prompt engineer, I understand how to get the AI to do what I want, is a job that only shortly after it becomes a job might be made completely obsolete.
01:40:00.000That's like opening up a blockbuster video in 1999.
01:40:04.000It's like, it's too, you don't, they have so little time.
01:40:07.000Well, the problem that you have with the quotient keyboard thing is it's a coordination problem.
01:40:11.000Like, if you want to borrow your friend's laptop, unless everybody decides, we're going to switch to the better type of keyboard and we're going to do it now.
01:41:08.000Could you rewind that again so I could see him doing that?
01:41:11.000Can you give me some volume so I could hear what he's saying?
01:41:14.000There's no question that typing sentences at over 200 words per minute is extremely satisfying, but does typing fast actually transfer to productivity in the real world?
01:41:25.000That's the question we'll be answering together in today's video.
01:43:31.000There's certain tendencies that people have with their arm being out.
01:43:34.000A lot of people just accept the bad relationship between your elbow and your, as long as it's consistent.
01:43:40.000Even though it's more inefficient, it's going to add extra English to the ball and spin and all these different things and probably make you less accurate.
01:43:47.000Maybe better that than try to make your arm drop down and hang 90% because it'll feel so alien.
01:43:53.000But that's way less than in martial arts.
01:43:56.000In martial arts, like, God, if you learn how to throw a sidekick with your knee down versus your knee up, it's so hard to do it the other way.
01:44:06.000When you're being pressured, you're always going to do it the wrong way and you're not going to have the correct amount of power.
01:44:12.000And those tendencies that are burned into you, I've been typing for 30 fucking years.
01:44:19.000Like they are, I don't have to look at a keyboard.
01:44:21.000I can just talk to you and I can type and I'm not really good, but I'm good enough.
01:47:05.000The telepathic thing is nuts because they have these headsets on.
01:47:08.000These guys are laughing because they're asking each other questions and they're answering the questions.
01:47:12.000And they hear the answer in their heads.
01:47:15.000The other person hears the question and then they hear the answer.
01:47:19.000So it's a new, I think, I don't know if it's a product or what, but it's called Alter Ego.
01:47:23.000This is the same guy who developed that device where he could look things up without opening his mouth or talking and just sort of like mimicking the words in his.
01:51:36.000I have never had an encounter like that, but I did in the wild see an enormous mountain lion once, but fortunately it was from inside of a truck.
01:52:56.000I mean, you must, you hunt all the time.
01:52:58.000And you do, was it like end of September?
01:53:00.000You went and did another big one last year.
01:53:03.000You must have been given whatever the safety briefing that you have at the start of an air, like aircraft taking off is: hey, man, if you see a this, if you see a this, or if you see a this, these are the ways that you're supposed to behave.
01:53:15.000No, we don't get any safety briefings.
01:53:17.000But you must have learned it in the past, as a part of carry a gun.
01:54:26.000But maybe sometimes no, you know, because it's like tasing a guy.
01:54:31.000You ever see a guy get tased and they just fucking run through it.
01:54:35.000There's guys that have get tased and they just go stiff and they fall down.
01:54:39.000And I've seen other guys get tased where they rip it right out of their arm.
01:54:42.000Four people, including children, were hospitalized.
01:54:45.000Teacher on crutches, second adult with a second adult with bear spray, and a third person who punched and kicked a grizzly despite serious injuries are being praised for their actions.
01:54:53.000Saved a school group attacked by a bear near Bella Coola, British Columbia.
01:55:00.000Four people, including the children, were hospitalized Thursday after a bear attack on students and teachers in the Nux Walk First Nation while out on a school trip near the...
01:58:14.000And the kicker, Donald Thompson, was on TV to discuss an area of psychological speciality that he had, which was the unreliability of eyewitness testimony.
01:59:03.000I don't remember, but I watched a clip of it the other day.
01:59:05.000I'm like, this is so crazy that you can actually do this to someone.
01:59:12.000And the point of the article that I was reading on, or the post on X was, you're telling me that MK Ultra has not figured out a way to do this?
01:59:22.000You can get a guy to do it with cameras to do it on Stephen Fry, the comedian.
01:59:27.000And obviously, he didn't really kill him.
02:01:22.000And there's like a byproduct that comes along for the ride.
02:01:24.000But it's a weird thing to be able to manipulate a person's mind and to have it so clearly I mean, this is the clearest example of it you're ever going to see.
02:01:37.000He just shot a famous person in a room full of people.
02:05:45.000And so the problem with that is if you don't record your set, sometimes you'll say things that you don't remember, like that were really funny.
02:05:52.000And you're like, oh, there's a, I had a totally different point that I went off and it really worked, but I don't remember what it was.
02:05:58.000If you don't record it, you're fucked.
02:06:00.000The only way you can get it back is you have to get back to that exact spot and hope it's still there for the next show.
02:06:47.000It's such a fucking cool explanation of what somebody who's got to the peak of their sport, the absolute pinnacle, like in the moments of winning, and he just breaks the fourth wall open about, kind of the hollowness of what this is really.
02:07:05.000That thing yes, yeah and um, it's just.
02:07:08.000It's just such a fucking great explainer because we always assume, here we go, you might have just won the Us Open here too, by the way, the biggest event of the year fulfilling life, it's.
02:07:22.000It's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest you know places of your heart.
02:07:29.000You know, I think it's kind of funny, I think you know, I think I said something after the Buyer In this year about like it feels like you work your whole life to celebrate winning a tournament for like a few minutes.
02:07:43.000It only lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling and I like to win the Buyer Nelson championship at home.
02:07:49.000I literally worked my entire life to become good at golf, to have an opportunity to win that tournament and you win it, you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.
02:08:13.000It brings tears in my eyes just to think about, because it's literally worked my entire life to become good at this sport and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment.
02:08:24.000You know, to get to live out your dreams is very special, but at the end of the day, it's like i'm not out here to inspire the next generation of golfers.
02:08:45.000You know there's a lot of people that make it to what they thought was going to fulfill them in life.
02:08:50.000And then you get there and all of a sudden you get to number one in the world and then they're like what's the point?
02:08:54.000And you know I, I really do believe that, because you know what is the point.
02:08:58.000You're like, why do I want to win this tournament so bad?
02:09:00.000That's something that I wrestle with on a daily basis.
02:09:02.000It's like showing up with the Masters every year.
02:09:04.000It's like, why do I want to win this golf tournament so badly?
02:09:08.000Why do I want to win the Open championship so badly?
02:09:11.000I don't know, because if I win, it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes and then we're gonna get to the next week and it's gonna be like, hey, you won two majors this year.
02:09:19.000How important is it for you to win the Fedex Cup playoffs?
02:09:25.000We work so hard for such little moments and um, you know, i'm kind of a sicko.
02:09:30.000I love putting in the work, I love being able to practice, I love getting out to live out my dreams, but at the end of the day, sometimes I just don't understand the point.
02:09:43.000I guarantee you that's why he's so good, because I guarantee you, that guy has to be that honest with himself about everything, otherwise you'd never fix the hitch in your swing.
02:09:51.000You know you, you have to be honest about every single thing.
02:09:56.000You have to be, you have to be aware of all of it, every little weird fucking thing you do.
02:10:34.000So I think I kind of become obsessed with um, People sacrificing what they want, which is happiness, for the thing that's supposed to get it, which is success.
02:10:45.000So they sacrifice the thing that they want, being happy in the moment.
02:10:50.000They make themselves miserable in order to be able to achieve a thing so that when they finally have sufficient success, they will allow themselves to be happy.
02:11:11.000And we've got to put food on the table and social creatures and all the rest of it.
02:11:15.000But I think videos like that are really important for people to see when they look up to someone about how much there is there at the end of the rainbow.
02:11:27.000Like Elon was on Lex's show a couple of years ago, and I think Lex asked him some question, like, how are you doing?
02:11:33.000He replied and he said, people think they want to be me.
02:13:02.000I'm pretty sure they've put more stuff into space, just that one company, than like the entirety of the load that's been transported into space globally up until now.
02:13:12.000They put stuff in space for their competitors.
02:13:16.000Yeah, they use their space rockets to put stuff in space for people that they're in competition with.
02:13:29.000I think about that, like the sort of person you need to be to drive that, though.
02:13:33.000It's a different kind of person, right?
02:13:35.000Like, that's what he wants to do, and that's what he desires to do.
02:13:38.000And, you know, this gentleman talking about golf, like, this is a different, that's a totally different thing because he's in a competition all the time, you know?
02:13:50.000And it's really hard to just enjoy the process when you're in this competition, where especially if your livelihood depends upon a very specific result.
02:13:59.000Like, you have to be better at this thing than everybody else.
02:14:01.000Not just do the best yourself, but better than the other people that are also doing their best.
02:14:08.000So you're in this constant, just never escaping this pressure.
02:14:14.000Fighters feel that, I think, more than anybody, because it's like an actual physical person coming to harm you all the time.
02:14:26.000I like my training, so on and so forth.
02:14:29.000But it's very different saying, I enjoy the process of training when you've just won than I enjoy the process of training when you've just come second or fifth or twentieth.
02:14:38.000And especially if you're laid out flat on the canvas.
02:14:44.000There's also the damage that was just done to you where you might not, really might not be the same again.
02:14:49.000There's certain fighters that you could point to one fight and they never recovered from it.
02:14:55.000Meldrick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez is my personal one that I always point to because Julio Cesar Chavez knocked him out with like, I think it was like a couple seconds left in the last round.
02:15:07.000And it was a fight that Meldrick Taylor was winning a decision.
02:15:09.000But Julio Cesar Chavez was wearing him down.
02:15:11.000He was one of the greatest of all time, just ripping the body, constantly attacking him, and eventually broke him down, had him in a corner, boom, dropped him with a right hand.
02:15:19.000And he got up and the referee called the fight with like a couple of seconds to go.
02:15:24.000And it was a hugely controversial call.
02:15:26.000But then when Meldrick Taylor returned, he was never the same again.
02:15:29.000He started slurring his words really badly.
02:15:52.000Some guys are never the same again and much more likely to get knocked out again once they get knocked out really badly.
02:15:58.000Who do you think of all of the people that you know has got the right balance of is successful and is also having fun at the same time?
02:16:08.000Because it seems like that's a trade that a lot of people can make where they are successful but they sacrifice their happiness or they're kind of happy but they're not pursuing external successes in the same way.
02:18:24.000It's like, you know, I think England's depressed.
02:18:26.000But the point was, then eventually he started touring regularly, got it all back, plus then some, and then is now widely regarded as, if not the greatest of all time, he's in the consideration.
02:18:38.000There's like Pryor, him, Murphy, Kinnison, Lenny Bruce, Carlin for some.
02:18:45.000There's like a bunch of different people that you put into like the greatest of all time.
02:18:47.000And Dave is certainly in that group, but he's very happy.
02:22:17.000Well, the problem that you're going to come up against there is you are going to try and trade The outcome that you're looking for for the fuel that gets you there.
02:22:27.000The fuel that gets you there is how much you love what you're doing.
02:23:27.000Like how weak and how small must your life be that seeing a cute golden retriever this afternoon was like a fucking sick part of your day.
02:23:37.000I think about Scotty Scheffler as a good example, him making it all the way to the top.
02:23:43.000And if all that you were doing was waiting for that final moment for this main stage at Glastonbury, day that I get married, sell the business for $500 million, whatever.
02:23:52.000You are forgetting almost all of the journey and then just cashing in at the destination.
02:23:59.000And as the guy that's just won everything in all of fucking golf, like the goat of right now, is saying it's fleeting.
02:24:09.000And that shame that people have, I certainly know that I do as well, that it almost feels like a reflection on the smallness of my life if I take pleasure in little things.
02:24:20.000But when you take pleasure in little things, you don't just get more of them.
02:24:25.000You don't need to be a fucking world champion at the winning the marshmallow test, just delaying gratification so long that you never actually end up getting any gratification.
02:25:14.000You do, but you don't, you're petting the puppy, thinking about the thing that you do, thinking about getting better, because you need those resources.
02:25:21.000It's like a demon that sort of climbs inside of you and wears you.
02:26:02.000He recommended it because of the way Ronnie describes picking the perfect cue, like the relationship that he has with the cue.
02:26:09.000But it is so eloquent and so – but the story – the whole story, the whole book rather, the story of his life is really more of – it's an exercise in him trying to explain like what it's like to be this good and this mad.
02:26:39.000Now, if you don't know how difficult it is to make these balls, he doesn't give a shit that that guy's in front of him, that the referee's in front of him.
02:27:15.000I mean, that's how fucking good Ronnie O'Sullivan was.
02:27:21.000But the book is really about managing madness.
02:27:25.000It's about him being sober and now he's trans, he's kind of taken a lot of that insane competitive drive.
02:27:31.000Now he runs like he's a runner, like he runs long distances.
02:27:34.000And he talks about that and meets up with his running club and they all get together and go on runs together.
02:27:39.000But it's like, it's just managing whatever the fuck that, and he's also describing, even in his prime, he was saying he was thinking he's worthless.
02:28:12.000And everyone who's great is fucking crazy.
02:28:16.000But you can, I think, like Chappelle does, you can take that greatness and just throw it into the thing you do and love it while you're doing it.
02:28:26.000You can't, it doesn't have to be a demon.
02:28:32.000It could be like just this romantic affair of you being so fortunate to be able to pursue this thing, but maintaining that same level of enthusiasm.
02:28:42.000I don't know if the same level of enthusiasm, though, can be maintained in something that has like a winner and a loser, like a game where there's so much writing on each other.
02:30:20.000There's a lot of famous people that I've said no to because I'm just not interested in them.
02:30:24.000I'm like, yeah, maybe that'll get a lot of people, but I don't, I don't want to do that.
02:30:28.000What I've found, the single best determinant for when I know that modern wisdom is going well is if I wake up on the morning of the episode and I can't wait for it to be 2 p.m.
02:30:39.000I'm like, fucking yes, I get to speak to such and such today.
02:30:42.000And then I finish up and I go, I learned something.
02:30:50.000And then there's other days when I've like, I don't know, I wake up and I just think, I should have, I should have thought a little bit more about it.
02:30:57.000I'm like, I'm looking forward to this, but I'm not super fired up.
02:31:00.000And the more that you push away from that instinct with whatever you're doing, because your instinct is ultimately your only competitive advantage that you have because it's the most non-fungible thing that you've got.
02:31:10.000So Douglas Murray told me this story, really fascinating one about this guy.
02:31:13.000When Douglas was first on the scene, this guy that was the head of the paper that he was at, accumulated all of the fans and all of the foes that you would in an industry like that over the space of a couple of decades.
02:31:26.000And he decides that he's going to release a West End show about the life of Prince Charles in rhyming couplets.
02:31:54.000And this guy is dejected and all of the people, all of the enemies that he's accumulated throughout his career, they start sharpening the knives and they come out and he's just despondent.
02:32:05.000Douglas sees him a couple of weeks later and he goes, what were you fucking West End show about the life of Prince Charles in rhyming couplets?
02:34:19.000It was crime and being around the worst people.
02:34:23.000And then all of a sudden he's in the cat skills with this guy who's a psychologist and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time and also a hypnotist and is hypnotizing him on a regular basis when he's 13 years old and teaches him to be the best.
02:34:38.000And so then he's got this, I will show you that I'm worth something.
02:34:42.000I will show you that I'm special at this one thing that I'm good at, and that is separating men from their consciousness, finding a way to get in touch with them, finding, get close enough and launching, launching bombs and watching them drop.
02:34:57.000And it was, I think, the drive to be the best, it has to come from some, there's got to be something wrong where you have that fire inside of you.
02:35:09.000I think it's been the question that I've probably been the most obsessed by since doing the show, the price that people pay to be somebody that you admire.
02:35:18.000And I think it's just endlessly interesting.
02:35:20.000So one thing that comes to mind there is, do you know what the fundamental attribution error is?
02:35:27.000It's like we attribute to other people motive for their action.
02:35:41.000So we have this asymmetry and how we judge other people's behaviors as opposed to our own.
02:35:46.000I think that there's an equivalent here when we think about our parents.
02:35:50.000So you could call it the fundamental parental attribution error, maybe, which would be we attribute to our parents our shortcomings, but not necessarily our strengths.
02:36:04.000Like modern pop psychology, it's like a rite of passage to lay at the feet of our parents, I've got anxious attachment because nobody ever came to look after me.
02:36:12.000You go, yeah, maybe, but also, isn't this the reason that your hypervigilance means that no one ever gets to take advantage of you?
02:36:20.000It's like I am unable to relax and chill out because love was always predicated on me performing.
02:36:28.000It's like, yes, but also it's driven you to be an incredibly successful person.
02:36:32.000And I think we should just be a little bit cautious when laying at the feet of our parents only our shortcomings.
02:36:41.000You can either say that my strengths and my shortcomings come from my parents or my strengths and my shortcomings come from my own agency.
02:36:47.000But you can't say I authored the things that I like about myself, but the things that I don't like about myself came from some past situation.
02:38:00.000And that's often the case with success.
02:38:02.000Because if you become incredibly successful and then you have all these haters and, you know, like the guy who wrote the shitty play, you know, like they come for you and they want to chop you down.
02:38:15.000And that's part of the game that you're playing.
02:38:19.000And if you don't like that, if you don't like that, but then you've gotten trapped in it and you're constantly being attacked and you listen to it and you pay attention to it.
02:39:20.000He's back in his mum and dad's house near Glasgow in Scotland.
02:39:24.000And he's in the hut out the back trying to do the difficult second album.
02:39:29.000And there's the pressure of the world on him.
02:39:31.000Now, he's got the talent, but the pressure from agencies, from record label, from fans, from himself, from his parents, from his peers, from everybody starts to get on him.
02:39:43.000It weighs on him so heavily that he develops a tick.
02:39:48.000It turns out he's always had Tourette's, but the pressure has caused him to, like, he can't perform.
02:39:55.000And toward the end of the documentary, he goes back out on stage at the O2 in London, does the thing, walks out on stage, and he's still doing this.
02:41:33.000Well, I mean, I think, especially with what most people feel, they want to see a little bit of themselves in that story, and they want to see a little bit of struggle.
02:42:29.000But I think it's because we try to see some of ourselves in someone, which is why we don't like things that are created by a corporation where they put together a band like the monkeys or something like that and fake it.
02:42:54.000I worry about where motivation comes from for people in a way.
02:42:59.000If you are able to game the system, which people are now, they can like speedrun relatability and authenticity.
02:43:06.000But you don't know if this is some K-pop thing that's some industry plant style scenario that's just been placed together to try and get this, give you a sense of resonance with this person that doesn't deserve it.
02:43:20.000They didn't actually struggle in that sort of a way, but they can construct the narrative that they did.
02:43:24.000And I think in a world that's become increasingly prefabricated, like people are looking, they're scrutinizing very aggressively.
02:44:02.000You could think you got it right and you got it wrong and you just, oh, fuck.
02:44:06.000But if you pretend, if you lie, if you show deception, if you pretend you're something that you're not and they find out like Ellen, you know, she's a nice lady.
02:44:51.000We want, like, we're all trying to, we're watching all these different people, like this guy play golf and that guy play music and watching all these people do all these different things and we're we're getting something out of it all.
02:45:04.000There's a reason why you like that thing on Netflix.
02:45:06.000It's like the there's it fuels the human condition.
02:45:46.000I certainly think I'm friends with a lot of musicians.
02:45:49.000And one of the issues I think that they have with the AI revolution, apart from the fact that they're coming for our jobs, which is obvious, is that learning a musical instrument is really fucking hard.
02:46:03.000I think that the revolution for podcasting has made it fucking fantastic for people to feel less lonely and have exposure to conversations and information they never would have done.
02:46:14.000But anybody that sticks a microphone in front of them can record a podcast.
02:46:19.000It may be a totally shit podcast, but if you give me a guitar, I can't make notes come out of it.
02:46:25.000So the bar that you need to get over to just be acceptably proficient enough to be able to do to have the conversation, right?
02:46:33.000Everybody does what is equivalent of a podcast.
02:46:34.000Everybody that has never recorded a podcast has had a great conversation over dinner and gone, dude, if we recorded that, that would have got millions of players on YouTube, right?
02:46:42.000So everyone is a little bit closer to this.
02:46:45.000And I think that one of the issues that the music industry or musicians within the industry have is that AI feels like it's allowing people to leapfrog the first very long, very boring, very grindy stage of, well, this is where your fucking fingers need to go on the saxophone.
02:47:00.000Or this is how you need to pick the strings in order to make the sound come out of the guitar.
02:47:06.000And if you leapfrog it, that feels like a little bit like a technology-enabled nepotism in a way.
02:47:19.000In comedy, you're like, dude, until you're eight, like the first seven years, like they're just you earning your keep and then you're eight, whatever it is, like it's a thousand shows.
02:47:26.000And once you've done a thousand spots, then you can say that you've started doing comedy or whatever it is.
02:47:30.000For podcasting, I think it's like 150 episodes.
02:47:32.000Before anyone that asks me, like, I'm beginning my podcast and what's your advice?
02:47:36.000And I'm like, once episode 150 starts, you have begun doing a podcast.
02:47:40.000Up until then, it's basically a warm-up set.
02:47:43.000And I think with music, because it's such a high investment that people need to have at the very, very beginning, this sense that there is a shortcut that allows people who haven't earned their way to get there.
02:47:56.000It would be like if you were using AI to write comedy sets.