The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2418 - Chris Williamson

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:00:13.000 I feel a bit less shit about myself to stave off death.

00:00:18.000 Well, doesn't it do something for your mind?

00:00:20.000 Doesn't it help you?

00:00:21.000 Yeah, of course it does, but when you compare it with life and death, there's a little bit of a difference.

00:00:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, there's definitely a difference, but just for mental health, that's the main reason to do it for me.

00:00:36.000 It's mental health.

00:00:38.000 It's such a difference between not doing it and doing it.

00:00:41.000 Like two different, totally different people.

00:00:43.000 You got notes on that thing or something?

00:00:44.000 Always.

00:00:45.000 You got to get one of these babies. 1.00

00:00:46.000 Those kickstand jammies?

00:00:48.000 Those are the shit.

00:00:49.000 Oh, sexy.

00:00:50.000 Look at that.

00:00:51.000 Sexy.

00:00:52.000 Yeah.

00:00:52.000 Sexy.

00:00:53.000 All right.

00:00:54.000 Encourages you to waste your time watching YouTube videos.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, without having to hold it.

00:00:58.000 Because it props up, yeah.

00:01:00.000 You feel like a fool sitting there staring at your camera, holding it in your hand.

00:01:03.000 I always said, like, if there was a drug that made people stare at their hand for six hours a day, everybody would be like, oh, my God, was this really a problem in this country?

00:01:10.000 People are just staring at their hands.

00:01:13.000 Well, we looked at that last time that we were on.

00:01:14.000 We had the photo of that guy, that artist that had taken images of people looking at their phones.

00:01:20.000 Yes, with no phone on it.

00:01:21.000 And then removed the phones.

00:01:24.000 It's such a crazy thing we're doing.

00:01:26.000 And now, of course, there's AR glasses that are eventually going to put whatever TikTok feed in one eye where you're watching someone in the other eye.

00:01:35.000 Have you ever tried those?

00:01:36.000 I've messed around with them a little bit.

00:01:38.000 Zuck was here, and he let me try the new ones that haven't been released yet.

00:01:43.000 They were really interesting.

00:01:44.000 And you move a cursor around with your eyeballs, and you can do things with your fingers.

00:01:50.000 You can pinch and spread things and stuff with your fingers and play games with your fingers.

00:01:56.000 It's not quite as responsive as you'd like it to be, but it's very beta.

00:02:01.000 You know, fucking cool.

00:02:02.000 Pretty cool.

00:02:03.000 It is pretty cool.

00:02:04.000 But also, we're losing humanity.

00:02:07.000 We're going to be taken in.

00:02:09.000 We're going to incorporate with the machine.

00:02:12.000 Yeah, well, I don't know.

00:02:13.000 I think a lot of people feel like that would be a better version of the life that they have.

00:02:17.000 And that's the saddest thing that people of older generations look at young guys and girls and how much time they spend online.

00:02:25.000 And they think, this is ridiculous.

00:02:28.000 Why are they caring so much about what is occurring on the internet?

00:02:31.000 But they don't realize people spend more time on screens than they do asleep.

00:02:36.000 So the digital world is the real world for these people.

00:02:39.000 Like the digital world is more real than the real world is.

00:02:42.000 Ooh, I didn't think of it that way.

00:02:45.000 There are a lot of people that do spend more time on screens than they do asleep.

00:02:50.000 That's really common.

00:02:51.000 I like to balance that out.

00:02:53.000 I'd like to spend half as much time on my phone as I do asleep.

00:02:59.000 Well, that would be a good way to enforce it, right?

00:03:01.000 You have to, you log how much sleep time you've had.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, so I'm going to start sleeping 12 hours a day.

00:03:05.000 So I can spend 6 hours wasting.

00:03:08.000 It's quite a resource, if you think about it, like a lack of an appreciation of your resource.

00:03:16.000 Because the resource of your time and your attention, it's very valuable.

00:03:20.000 And you can convert it into all sorts of amazing skills and information and knowledge and change your whole life.

00:03:28.000 Or you can just stare at stupid shit all day long.

00:03:32.000 It's so compelling, though, dude.

00:03:33.000 It's been designed by the most profitable companies on the planet with the smartest behavioral scientists in history.

00:03:40.000 Like, it's an unfair fight.

00:03:42.000 It really is an unfair fight.

00:03:43.000 And that's why.

00:03:45.000 Sort of.

00:03:47.000 You could not do it, though.

00:03:48.000 Oh, you need to lean in, but it's like, oh, there is way more willpower you need to use in order to be able to not than like just whatever the course of natural human history is or natural human behavior.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:00.000 It's so easy.

00:04:01.000 Or, alternatively, you could dye the Venice River green.

00:04:08.000 That's what happens when you don't have enough phone battery.

00:04:11.000 I sent that to Chris today.

00:04:12.000 Greta Thurenberg, she dyed the Venice Canals green to protest what a lack of action and climate change. 0.95

00:04:22.000 Yeah, pull back a call to pull back carbon fuel in Europe.

00:04:30.000 And they didn't just do it in Venice.

00:04:31.000 They did it at 10 cities around Italy.

00:04:33.000 But Venice has obviously got this gorgeous waterway.

00:04:36.000 It's an entire city built on water.

00:04:40.000 Bro.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, that's hard to see how ugly it is, Jamie.

00:04:44.000 I could send you a video of it because I sent Chris a video.

00:04:48.000 It's, you know, it's just like, how much attention do you need, lady? 1.00

00:04:52.000 Okay.

00:04:53.000 Stop.

00:04:55.000 Sky News Australia refers to her as a Swedish doom goblin.

00:05:01.000 Sky News is the one that's weirdly pro-Republican American politics.

00:05:06.000 Super right-wing.

00:05:07.000 It's like, who's funding that?

00:05:09.000 There's no way that there's that much of an appetite in Australia for American politics.

00:05:14.000 So that's what it looks like.

00:05:15.000 That's disgusting.

00:05:16.000 I was there this summer.

00:05:18.000 It's fucking beautiful.

00:05:20.000 It's so, Venice is so gorgeous and so ancient and so interesting.

00:05:25.000 And to have this self-important twat pour a bunch of green dye into that water, you should go to jail for that. 1.00

00:05:33.000 Like you're, you're ruining this experience for thousands and thousands of people who don't, not just the ones who live in that amazing place, but the ones who get to visit.

00:05:44.000 I mean, someone figured out a way to make a whole city by shoving pylons into the ground.

00:05:52.000 And they did it a long time ago.

00:05:54.000 It's all wood.

00:05:55.000 The whole city is stacked up on wood.

00:05:57.000 They take these wood poles, they shove them into the ground.

00:06:01.000 It's a specific type of wood that doesn't rot when it gets wet and waterlogged, that actually hardens.

00:06:06.000 I forget what kind of wood it is.

00:06:08.000 I watched this whole thing on it.

00:06:10.000 But I mean, it's very stable.

00:06:13.000 I mean, sometimes they get some flooding.

00:06:15.000 Like one time we were there and like the lobby of this place was flooded.

00:06:19.000 It does flood.

00:06:20.000 But it's also, it's so fucking beautiful.

00:06:23.000 And the architecture is so amazing.

00:06:25.000 It's such a gorgeous place.

00:06:26.000 And it just relaxes you like instantly when you're there.

00:06:28.000 You're like, wow, I just want to have a espresso and eat some pasta and just chill.

00:06:33.000 Until last summer.

00:06:34.000 It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been.

00:06:36.000 And this fucking dummy decides to just pour green dye. 1.00

00:06:40.000 And how much green dye did you put in there?

00:06:42.000 And what kind of an effect is that going to have on life?

00:06:44.000 So they claimed that it was environmentally safe, rah-rah.

00:06:48.000 I don't know how environmentally safe anything of that green color can be.

00:06:51.000 But yeah, what was it?

00:06:52.000 48-hour ban and a $170 fine.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 That's it?

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:06:58.000 Wow.

00:06:59.000 Actually, you should go to jail for a night.

00:07:01.000 I think about this a lot, man.

00:07:04.000 In some ways, I understand why the rhetoric gets more and more inflammatory.

00:07:10.000 So if you care about an issue, if you really, really think that this issue is important and people don't listen, you start to shout a bit louder.

00:07:20.000 And then you shout a bit louder and then you shout a bit louder.

00:07:20.000 Right.

00:07:22.000 The British are coming. 1.00

00:07:23.000 You know who first said that?

00:07:23.000 The British are coming.

00:07:25.000 Wasn't Paul Revere.

00:07:26.000 Bonnie Blue.

00:07:27.000 Who's that?

00:07:30.000 She is the lady that slept with 1,057 men in a day. 1.00

00:07:33.000 Oh, that.

00:07:34.000 Poor lady. 1.00

00:07:35.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 So people don't listen.

00:07:38.000 Do you ever see Don't Look Up?

00:07:39.000 That movie on Netflix?

00:07:40.000 I missed that joke because I didn't know who that was.

00:07:40.000 That's very funny, by the way.

00:07:44.000 Jayman got it from over there, even with a dynamic.

00:07:46.000 I'm kind of proud that I can't recognize her name, though, honestly.

00:07:49.000 I'll take that.

00:07:50.000 It's probably a good sign. 0.54

00:07:52.000 People don't listen.

00:07:53.000 So Don't Look Up, that film with Leonardo DiCaprio a couple of years ago.

00:07:56.000 You remember it was like an asteroid coming in?

00:07:58.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 It's a funny movie, right?

00:08:02.000 Like half funny, but kind of it's supposed to be a comment on the impending doom of climate change and nobody's listening, right?

00:08:08.000 Yeah, they're not correct.

00:08:10.000 That's the problem.

00:08:11.000 you know who are those two gentlemen that we had in recently jamie the guy from mit and the other guy from was he from yale or stanford Where was he from?

00:08:20.000 Anyway, these two brilliant scientists who have analyzed the data.

00:08:25.000 And one of them was going over the actual understanding the equations that you would need to understand in order to really be able to calculate what is having an effect on the climate and how many different factors there are.

00:08:40.000 And all of them working synergistically in some weird, unexplainable way.

00:08:46.000 And then the cold, hard reality of climate data over the past X amount of millions of years, where it's always done this glaciation and then the glaciers, they recede, and then you get higher ocean levels.

00:08:59.000 It's like constant.

00:09:01.000 Every 12,500 plus years, it goes up and down and up and down and it never stays static ever.

00:09:07.000 It's never static.

00:09:08.000 And the real fear is not global warming.

00:09:12.000 The real fear is global cooling.

00:09:14.000 Why?

00:09:15.000 Global cooling kills everything.

00:09:17.000 And we got that close at one point in history to having such a low oxygen level on this planet and such a low carbon dioxide level because there was no plant food, right?

00:09:30.000 That these fucking plants almost died.

00:09:32.000 We almost lost all life on this planet.

00:09:35.000 We've gone like a few degrees from that happening.

00:09:38.000 This is the glaciers are fucking scary.

00:09:42.000 Ice ages are scary.

00:09:44.000 When it gets warm, you just move.

00:09:47.000 And I know that sucks if you're living in a city of 20 million people, but it hasn't happened yet.

00:09:53.000 And they've been talking about it forever.

00:09:55.000 That fucking stupid movie, An Inconvenient Truth, was wrong about everything.

00:10:01.000 He should have to give back every fucking penny he made from that movie.

00:10:05.000 You were wrong about everything.

00:10:08.000 You scared the shit out of everybody, and you were 100% wrong.

00:10:12.000 One of the problems I think people have is if you really care about something and you're convinced, whether your conviction is incorrect or not, you're convinced by it.

00:10:20.000 So what you do, you say a thing, people don't listen.

00:10:23.000 Say it a bit louder, people still don't listen.

00:10:24.000 Say it a bit louder again, people still aren't listening.

00:10:26.000 And the problem is it's a misunderstanding about what compels and convinces other humans.

00:10:34.000 What we think is if people aren't listening, if I shout louder, they're going to pay attention.

00:10:37.000 What we don't realize is that actually turns everybody off.

00:10:41.000 Because if you just see someone throwing soup over a Van Gogh painting, turning the canals of Venice green, gluing themselves to the M25 in London and stopping people from being able to get to work, like it gets attention, but you're not looking for attention.

00:10:58.000 You're looking for conviction.

00:10:59.000 You're trying to compel people to believe the thing that you believe.

00:11:02.000 And I think that it does the opposite.

00:11:04.000 And I understand why it's so seductive because you think making it's cool to your own side to do something flaming sword wielding truth teller.

00:11:15.000 I'm going to charge through and look at how cool it is.

00:11:18.000 But making somebody feel stupid or embarrassed or inconvenienced or upset is a really bad way to change minds.

00:11:25.000 So I think if people really care about changing minds, they need to realize, and assuming that they think that they're correct, they need to realize that like intellectual chasm from where they are and where other people are.

00:11:38.000 And you go, okay, I'm going to take you one step at a time.

00:11:40.000 So even if you were to accept that the science and all of the stuff that the climate change people believe in is accurate, I still think that the strategies that they're using aren't going to be effective because I think it turns more people off.

00:11:53.000 Right.

00:11:54.000 They're scolding.

00:11:55.000 They're shrieking, scolding, and they're not the type of people that you want to talk to, so you avoid them.

00:12:02.000 Looking down from on humble, looking down from on humble.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, it's my British heritage.

00:12:08.000 It doesn't cause you to feel inclined to support them.

00:12:13.000 The opposite.

00:12:14.000 It causes you to want to burn tires.

00:12:16.000 I want to buy spray paint and fucking hairspray and just blow it by my car.

00:12:20.000 Have you heard of the Cassandra complex?

00:12:22.000 Do you know what this is?

00:12:23.000 Fucking brilliant, dude.

00:12:23.000 No.

00:12:24.000 So in ancient Greek mythology, Cassandra is given the gift of being able to see the future by Apollo.

00:12:31.000 And then she rejects his advances.

00:12:34.000 So he curses her.

00:12:35.000 And he says that for the rest of time, you're still going to be able to see the future, but people aren't going to believe you.

00:12:40.000 So she foresees the downfall of Troy.

00:12:44.000 She warns everybody, people don't listen.

00:12:47.000 Troy burns anyway.

00:12:48.000 And it's basically being right, but early.

00:12:51.000 So Rachel Carson, she wrote that book, Silent Spring, 1962.

00:12:56.000 It's about DDT, environmental epidemics.

00:13:00.000 She gets mocked by scientists, castigated by everybody, but her work led to the banning of DDT.

00:13:07.000 What year was this?

00:13:07.000 1962.

00:13:08.000 Interesting.

00:13:10.000 Ignis Sammelweis, like 1840s, he realizes that doctors are transmitting childbed fever from corpses to mothers because they're not washing their hands.

00:13:20.000 So he begs his colleagues to start adopting hand washing, and he gets mocked by academia.

00:13:26.000 He dies in an asylum.

00:13:28.000 He dies in an asylum.

00:13:29.000 That's how badly he's treated.

00:13:31.000 Germ theory of disease gets a couple of decades later, gets proven.

00:13:34.000 Edward Snowden, who you've spoken to, like some people saw him as a traitor.

00:13:39.000 Some people saw him as a truth teller.

00:13:40.000 But I think everybody had a bit of, really?

00:13:42.000 Is that what's going on?

00:13:44.000 A few years later, it turns out, yep, the government is spying on you.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:13:48.000 And this Cassandra complex, so if somebody ever says, I'm a Cassandra, I'm feeling like Cassandra today.

00:13:54.000 I foresee this thing.

00:13:56.000 You don't.

00:13:57.000 You're not listening to me.

00:13:59.000 It's a big deal.

00:14:00.000 And the problem is the difference between somebody being a righteous Cassandra with the ability to see the future and just being a crazy person who's been convinced by bad data or like perverse incentives, it's very hard to work out which one you are.

00:14:19.000 Perverse incentives is the real word because here's the thing, folks.

00:14:22.000 We do have a horrible impact on the environment.

00:14:25.000 It's factual.

00:14:26.000 It's measurable.

00:14:27.000 You can go see it.

00:14:29.000 There's many third world countries that have rivers that are completely clogged with garbage and plastic.

00:14:35.000 That's real.

00:14:36.000 If you're not trying to stop that, but you're railing about carbon.

00:14:41.000 Well, carbon is a weird thing because carbon's essential to plant life.

00:14:47.000 There's more green on Earth today than there was 100 years ago.

00:14:52.000 And that's because of our carbon emissions.

00:14:54.000 That is an inconvenient truth.

00:14:56.000 All right, fuck Al Gore.

00:14:57.000 That's an inconvenient truth.

00:14:59.000 So carbon is a part of the equation.

00:15:00.000 Is it good that we're burning stuff and putting it in the atmosphere?

00:15:03.000 No, I do not think it is.

00:15:03.000 No.

00:15:04.000 No, I'm not arguing that.

00:15:06.000 I'm saying that our impact on the environment that is tangible and disgusting is pollution.

00:15:13.000 That's the impact on the environment.

00:15:15.000 And if you're really thinking about our carbon footprint and carbon taxes and carbon incentives, you've got to follow the money.

00:15:23.000 Like, what is happening here?

00:15:25.000 Well, there's a bunch of green initiatives, and those green initiatives get funding.

00:15:29.000 And they get funding to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.

00:15:32.000 And if you know anything about any sort of non-profit, like someone just pulled up some, there's a non-profit about animals, and they just released what a fucking scam it is.

00:15:43.000 There's so many of these nonprofits where the vast majority of the money is going to salaries.

00:15:48.000 Like most of the money is going to salaries.

00:15:52.000 And there's a tiny fraction of that money that gets allocated to whatever that cause is.

00:15:57.000 Which is why it justifies people who work for the organization to sustain the organization's existence.

00:16:04.000 100%.

00:16:05.000 That's the insurance.

00:16:06.000 But there's no data.

00:16:08.000 Here's the thing: all of their predictions, all of the climate change predictions are totally inaccurate.

00:16:15.000 Every single one by all the doomsayers.

00:16:17.000 So you would think they would course correct.

00:16:19.000 You would think they would say, okay, no one's arguing that the particulates that get emitted into the atmosphere by coal plants are not terrible for everyone.

00:16:30.000 No one's arguing that glyphosate is good for you.

00:16:35.000 No one's arguing that the poisons we're putting in rivers and streams, no one's arguing that's good for you.

00:16:41.000 The stuff that gets into groundwater, no one says that's good.

00:16:44.000 That's our real problem.

00:16:45.000 Our real problem is pollution.

00:16:47.000 It's fucking terrible.

00:16:48.000 There's a real problem with waste.

00:16:51.000 There's a real problem with landfills.

00:16:53.000 All that's real.

00:16:54.000 This carbon thing is a weird one.

00:16:58.000 It's a weird one to concentrate on solely because it seems to have an effect on the atmosphere.

00:17:03.000 It has an effect on the temperature of Earth, but not what they're saying.

00:17:09.000 Can you think of a perverse incentive other than people just want to keep their jobs?

00:17:12.000 Is there something else that's people keeping their jobs?

00:17:14.000 It's righteousness, it's virtue signaling, and it's also the extraordinary amount of money that gets put into green initiatives.

00:17:23.000 It also helps people campaign.

00:17:25.000 When you're campaigning, if you say climate change is real, we will follow the science.

00:17:30.000 Oh, thank God.

00:17:32.000 You get my vote.

00:17:36.000 That's what happens.

00:17:37.000 And these fucking dumbasses just fall for it every time. 1.00

00:17:41.000 It's not that it's a real impending doom scenario.

00:17:45.000 That's not real.

00:17:47.000 It's not real.

00:17:48.000 It's not real.

00:17:49.000 But what is real is humans' impact on Earth.

00:17:52.000 So you got to figure out why is this one thing, why are they concentrating so much on carbon when it's not a measurable thing?

00:18:00.000 It's not a thing where you're seeing this hugely detrimental effect by this one action that we have.

00:18:06.000 Well, because someone's trying to make money.

00:18:08.000 It's it.

00:18:09.000 No one's doing it for your own good.

00:18:11.000 There's not a fucking single person on earth that's involved in any of these big causes that's really concerned about us.

00:18:18.000 No, they're all making money.

00:18:21.000 And they're all mate.

00:18:22.000 Even if they're not making money other than their salary, if your salary is a million dollars a year to run a charity, maybe that charity is fucking horseshit.

00:18:34.000 You know?

00:18:36.000 Because if you make a million dollars a year, you're rich as fuck.

00:18:40.000 This episode is brought to you by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer.

00:18:44.000 A nice cold happy dad is low carbonation, gluten-free, and is easy to drink.

00:18:49.000 No bloating, no nonsense.

00:18:50.000 When you're watching a football game or you're golfing, watching a fight with your boys or out on the lake, these moments call for a cold, happy dad.

00:18:59.000 People are drinking all these seltzers and skinny cans that are loaded with sugar.

00:19:03.000 But Happy Dad only has one gram of sugar in a normal size can.

00:19:08.000 You can buy Happy Dad on the GoPuff app and your local liquor and grocery store, including Walmart, Kroger, Total Wine, and Circle K.

00:19:16.000 And you can't decide on a flavor, grab a variety pack: lemon lime, watermelon, pineapple, and wild cherry.

00:19:22.000 They also have a grape flavor in collaboration with Death Row Records and Snoop Dogg.

00:19:27.000 They have their new lemonade coming out as well.

00:19:30.000 Visit happydad.com for a limited time offer and use code Rogan to buy one happy dad trucker hat and get one free.

00:19:37.000 Enjoy a cold, happy dad.

00:19:39.000 Must be of legal drinking age.

00:19:41.000 Please drink responsibly.

00:19:43.000 Happy Dad Hard Seltzer Tea and Lemonade is a malt alcohol located in Orange County, California.

00:19:50.000 Well, the argument would be in order to get somebody of the standard that you need to run this charity at the level that it needs to be run at, you need to give a competitive salary.

00:20:00.000 What an amazing job they're doing where 95% of the money goes to overhead.

00:20:05.000 What an amazing job you've done in having zero-shaped- Please show me your efficiency plans.

00:20:10.000 The zero progress in any of your air quotes science that you're pointing to that's showing these prediction models.

00:20:20.000 All their prediction models are wrong.

00:20:22.000 And they always quote things that are wrong, like storms are stronger, they're more common.

00:20:27.000 No, you're just looking at a strong storm.

00:20:29.000 If you look overall, there's always been strong storms.

00:20:32.000 They're totally unpredictable.

00:20:33.000 Have you had Alex Epstein on?

00:20:34.000 Do you know him?

00:20:35.000 No, I don't do it.

00:20:36.000 The case?

00:20:37.000 Moral case for fossil fuels.

00:20:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:20:39.000 Interesting dude.

00:20:41.000 He has, like, one of the most interesting stats that I learned from him was climate-related deaths have decreased by 98% over the last century.

00:20:51.000 So one of the things that people don't consider when they look at the cost of energy and energy production is that you need to be able to protect more people are killed from heat than are killed from cold.

00:21:04.000 And you need to protect from heat by using energy.

00:21:06.000 And if you're going to produce cheap energy, some byproducts are going to be spat out into the atmosphere.

00:21:11.000 But the impact of the creation of the energy is way more effective at increasing human longevity than the side effect of the energy being made.

00:21:20.000 Does that make sense?

00:21:21.000 Totally rational.

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 It seems like that would make sense.

00:21:23.000 Dude, I've heard Richard Betts, director of the IPCC intergovernmental panel on climate change on the show.

00:21:29.000 Hannah Ritchie from Our World in Data.

00:21:31.000 Like, I've really tried to get a good balance on all of this stuff.

00:21:35.000 But Alex's position in that area, which is it's a very luxury belief to hold to talk about how green we must be in the West when you have access to unlimited energy.

00:21:49.000 I think a billion people worldwide don't have access to reliable electricity.

00:21:54.000 Like half a billion people are still using wood and dung in order to be able to produce their electricity.

00:21:58.000 That was the data that he showed me the last time we spoke.

00:22:01.000 That means that if you've got a baby that's on a ventilator, a newborn baby that needs to be put on, that baby dies.

00:22:09.000 That baby dies because that particular country does not have access to clean, to cheap and reliable energy.

00:22:17.000 Cleanness does not matter for these people.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, I've heard that argument that the best result worldwide would be to increase the power supply to all these third world countries.

00:22:27.000 And then you would have this ability to start manufacturing, doing a bunch of different things that we associate with the negative aspects of the West.

00:22:35.000 You know, the negative aspects of the West that cause pollution, that cause all these different things.

00:22:39.000 The problem is electricity is a real bastard to try and move.

00:22:42.000 I think the entire grid has got eight minutes of battery backup, 10 minutes of battery backup.

00:22:50.000 It's so little and it's so cumbersome and you lose it as you transport it further.

00:22:54.000 And dude, I get it.

00:22:55.000 Like I really believe that existential risks, climate change included, are things that humans should pay attention to.

00:23:01.000 But if you were to rank, Toby Ord wrote this great book called The Precipice, and he is from the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford.

00:23:08.000 He wrote the best researchers in the world.

00:23:11.000 He got them to rank what are the most dangerous existential risks to humans.

00:23:16.000 And it's a one in 10,000 chance over the next century coming from climate change.

00:23:21.000 It's one in six from AI, or one in 10 from AI, one in 10 from engineered pandemics, like one in 30 from natural pandemics.

00:23:30.000 There's so many other huge issues that are really pressing.

00:23:34.000 I'm not saying that climate change isn't a priority.

00:23:37.000 I'm saying that if you were to rank the priorities, it actually starts to move pretty far down.

00:23:41.000 And when you think if people are worried about the future of the world, they have a worried about the future of the world budget to spend.

00:23:50.000 Almost all of that is going on climate change.

00:23:52.000 Jamie, can you try and get up?

00:23:53.000 It's a chart by Toby Ord.

00:23:56.000 It's just called, if you search like the precipice chart, Toby Ord can bring it up.

00:24:01.000 And you just think, how much attention is being paid to all of these other things?

00:24:06.000 Like, how much attention is being paid?

00:24:08.000 Nuclear war, I guess, gets a little bit of attention, but slightly less so now.

00:24:12.000 But natural pandemics, engineered pandemics, AGI, these are big deals.

00:24:17.000 And I worry that a lot of attention has been focused onto one actually relatively inconsequential, at least in the immediate term.

00:24:27.000 No, go back, do a Google search for me.

00:24:32.000 Top left.

00:24:34.000 Yep, that's it.

00:24:36.000 So nuclear war, one in 1,000.

00:24:38.000 Climate change, one in 1,000.

00:24:40.000 Other environmental damage, 1 in 1,000.

00:24:42.000 Engineered pandemics, 1 in 30.

00:24:44.000 Unaligned artificial intelligence, 1 in 10.

00:24:48.000 The total risk is 1 in 6.

00:24:50.000 But climate change is 1 in 1,000 over the next 100 years.

00:24:53.000 At stellar explosion, there you go.

00:24:55.000 One in, what's that?

00:24:56.000 A billion?

00:24:57.000 That's what we got.

00:24:58.000 I don't like that one.

00:24:59.000 That one scares the shit out of me.

00:25:02.000 I remember a documentary I watched back in the day that was about hypernovas.

00:25:06.000 And when they first started measuring these gamma bursts in space, they thought that maybe alien races were at war with each other because there's this enormous burst of energy and they realize it's stars going hypernova and how many of them do it all over the universe because the universe is so big.

00:25:23.000 And there's just a single beam of like a death ray that gets sent out across the universe.

00:25:29.000 Just unimaginable power.

00:25:31.000 And it happens all the time.

00:25:32.000 It's happening all the time in the sky.

00:25:35.000 Bink, bing, bing, bing. 0.73

00:25:37.000 And if it happens anywhere near you, it just takes out the whole solar system, takes out everything.

00:25:43.000 If it happens in neighboring solar systems, it takes us out.

00:25:47.000 Takes out everything.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, you're fucked.

00:25:49.000 Wow.

00:25:50.000 If that's not a justification for just living your life and getting the fuck on with it.

00:25:53.000 And not coloring the Venice Canal green.

00:25:57.000 I don't know what that is.

00:25:57.000 Well, it's the thing that gets you attention, unfortunately.

00:26:01.000 That's really what all this is about.

00:26:04.000 Send her back to Israel. 1.00

00:26:05.000 They'll give her attention.

00:26:06.000 They gave her some great attention.

00:26:10.000 I mean, I'm kind of obsessed with this idea of toxic compassion, which I think is what you're talking about.

00:26:15.000 So the prioritization of like short-term emotional comfort over everything else.

00:26:23.000 And I remember Elon was talking a couple of years ago.

00:26:27.000 Someone had accused him of contributing to climate change, so on and so forth.

00:26:31.000 And he says, I think I've done more to reduce climate change than any other human on the planet.

00:26:35.000 That if you look at the EV revolution being started by Tesla plus everything else from a technology perspective that we're doing, I think that there's an argument to be made that I've had a more positive impact on the future of the climate than any other human.

00:26:49.000 He said, what I'm interested in is the reality of doing good, not appearing good, and not appearing to do good while doing bad.

00:26:58.000 And this, the opportunity people have to be able to look like they're doing good while not doing it is exactly where this toxic compassion thing leaks in.

00:27:09.000 So for instance, people will proclaim that body weight has no impact on health over a long duration, even if this causes overweight individuals to not take their health as seriously and literally die sooner.

00:27:22.000 But we're here.

00:27:23.000 Joe, you don't understand.

00:27:25.000 We're trying to be inclusive here.

00:27:26.000 We're trying to be understanding of what's going on with these people.

00:27:30.000 If someone was to say that a male athlete has no advantage in a sporting competition, because, Joe, we're trying to be inclusive.

00:27:39.000 We're trying to be empathetic.

00:27:40.000 We care about these people.

00:27:42.000 Well, even if that's done at the exclusion of female athletes, right? 0.82

00:27:46.000 People are prepared to show.

00:27:51.000 They're prepared to do whatever is needed to appear good.

00:27:54.000 Yes.

00:27:55.000 And the alternative, which it makes complete sense, who wants to do good while looking bad?

00:28:00.000 Right.

00:28:02.000 That's the thing you're saying is so important.

00:28:04.000 They will sacrifice everything to appear that they're doing good.

00:28:09.000 Because that's really what they're worried about.

00:28:10.000 And that is all stemming, at least in part.

00:28:14.000 I should say not stemming, but certainly accentuated by the social media world that we're living in now.

00:28:19.000 Because everyone has this opportunity to appear like they're something other than they are.

00:28:25.000 They're using filters.

00:28:26.000 They're standing in front of a leased car.

00:28:28.000 There's all the above.

00:28:30.000 They're doing things.

00:28:31.000 They're wearing cheap fake jewelry.

00:28:33.000 They're trying to look like something they're not.

00:28:35.000 And there's a culture of that.

00:28:37.000 And there's also a culture that gets, well, I'm not one of those because I don't care about material goods, but I'm really interested in climate change.

00:28:44.000 And so then, you know, you join up with whatever fucking climate change group that's yelling and shouting and you carry a sign and you do all these things that you're supposed to do and you get free water.

00:28:54.000 The whole thing is just, it's a psychological game that people are playing with themselves.

00:28:59.000 They try to appear that they're special and to be in competition or in battle with the other side.

00:29:06.000 But if you're in battle with people that are saying, hey, none of these models are correct.

00:29:14.000 Hey, none of these predictions have come to bear.

00:29:16.000 Zero.

00:29:17.000 Not a single one.

00:29:19.000 Where they say the sea level's going to rise.

00:29:21.000 There's going to be no more Miami.

00:29:23.000 Not a fucking thing has happened.

00:29:23.000 Nothing.

00:29:25.000 Like, you're wrong.

00:29:27.000 So we need to figure out what's right.

00:29:27.000 Okay.

00:29:29.000 If we can all agree that if we're doing something bad to the planet and it's somehow or another avoidable, let's work towards that.

00:29:36.000 But if you're telling me we're doing something bad to the planet, and then when I say, well, show me, and you can't, well, what about all these predictions?

00:29:43.000 Well, they're wrong.

00:29:44.000 Well, what about that movie that, well, it was totally inaccurate.

00:29:48.000 Okay, well, you can't use that on your side anymore.

00:29:52.000 I never saw that movie.

00:29:54.000 Ah, so bad.

00:29:55.000 What would it claim?

00:29:55.000 An inconvenient truth.

00:29:56.000 Let's find out.

00:29:57.000 Put into perplexity what the incorrect.

00:30:02.000 I was already asking, what did it get right and what did it get wrong?

00:30:04.000 Yeah, what did it say?

00:30:06.000 That's typing that up right now.

00:30:08.000 I guarantee you they didn't get nothing wrong or they didn't get nothing right.

00:30:12.000 Do you want to know which one you want to start with, right or wrong?

00:30:15.000 The predictions for catastrophic events.

00:30:18.000 What did it get wrong about the predictions for catastrophic events?

00:30:22.000 Predictions that were incorrect.

00:30:24.000 Rapid sea level rise.

00:30:25.000 20 feet.

00:30:26.000 The film depicted a potential sea level rise of up to 20 feet, six meters, in the near future from the collapse of Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets.

00:30:35.000 While this extreme scenario is considered possible over centuries or millennia, scientific consensus does not support this happening.

00:30:42.000 Eminently, current rates are much slower, even with acceleration reaching 20 feet would take many centuries.

00:30:49.000 Another one, Mount Kilimanjaro glacier melt caused by global warming.

00:30:53.000 Goal attributed the shrinking of Kilimanjaro's glaciers mainly to global warming, but later research points to other major causes like sublimation and reduced snowfall, unrelated primarily to temperature.

00:31:06.000 Impression of imminent chaos.

00:31:08.000 The film often implies that catastrophic outcomes like rapid ice sheep collapse and dramatic sea level rise might occur within decades when in reality such processes are expected to take much longer, often centuries or more.

00:31:23.000 And then legal findings.

00:31:25.000 A UK court found nine errors of exaggerations in the film, mostly involving a lack of clarity on time scales or oversimplified attributions like Kilimanjaro.

00:31:37.000 Overall, climate scientists judged an inconvenient truth as mostly accurate with its projections, particularly in broad trends, but criticized its presentation for occasionally exaggerating the speed and certainty of some changes.

00:31:48.000 Well, I think this is.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, but this is the thing.

00:31:49.000 It's most climate scientists judged it.

00:31:53.000 I'd like to keep this climate hustle going on.

00:31:55.000 Well, they were mostly accurate.

00:31:57.000 We do have a sincere project.

00:31:59.000 Somebody do that. 1.00

00:32:00.000 Somebody's not a good person.

00:32:01.000 That's not even British. 1.00

00:32:02.000 That's like a fake British guy.

00:32:03.000 That's like a posh shithead from Connecticut.

00:32:06.000 Okay, okay, okay.

00:32:07.000 But no, you're right.

00:32:09.000 The lack of scrutiny that people have of their behavior, the distance between our opinions and our deeds.

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 Never been greater.

00:32:15.000 That's the internet.

00:32:16.000 And what it means is you're allowed to do good while appearing bad and do bad while appearing good.

00:32:22.000 And it's way easier to do bad or to just not research.

00:32:26.000 And it's significantly harder if you're like, I'm going to go out, try and invent something, try and push against an idea or an ideology or a campaign for a movement that I think is really, really important.

00:32:40.000 And people are going to say that I'm doing something mean or people are going to call me names for doing it.

00:32:44.000 There's no incentive to do it.

00:32:46.000 Why would somebody do that?

00:32:46.000 And I think that's what Elon's point is, right?

00:32:48.000 What I'm interested in is doing good, not the appearance of it.

00:32:52.000 And I see a lot of people who are doing bad while appearing good.

00:32:55.000 Well, you know, I think it's no, through no fault of their own, young people are indoctrinated into this world when they start going to college that you have to be active and to be an activist is to be a good person and to be involved in these campus activities is a good thing.

00:33:10.000 And there's also, there's a tribal aspect to it.

00:33:12.000 You know, you're on a tribe of people that are the people that are on the right side of history.

00:33:17.000 These are the people that are kind and compassionate unless you disagree with them.

00:33:21.000 And these are the people that are, they trust the science unless it's inconvenient.

00:33:26.000 And these are the people that, you know, you want to be in the educated minority.

00:33:31.000 You want to be the people that get it.

00:33:33.000 And you want to, it's very important that you use your voice.

00:33:38.000 You know, and so they think they're being good people.

00:33:40.000 And I get that and I understand that, but it's being weaponized against you.

00:33:45.000 And it's probably not even funded by legitimate people.

00:33:49.000 It's most likely there's at least some funding by some foreign entities that are just trying to sow discord and make sure that everybody hates everybody.

00:33:59.000 That'd be a wonderful way to take down any country, right?

00:34:01.000 To make it feel as if it was coming from inside.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, sure.

00:34:04.000 There's a lot of that going on.

00:34:05.000 That's been absolutely proven.

00:34:08.000 There was a thing recently with ChatGPT where they found out that these entities in China were using ChatGPT to argue about USAID shutdown.

00:34:19.000 They ran all these social media accounts.

00:34:22.000 The Twitter account thing where you can see where the accounts are based.

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.000 I know.

00:34:27.000 Bro.

00:34:28.000 One of the ones that is like a fan account of the JRE.

00:34:34.000 People thought it was me forever.

00:34:35.000 And I was like, I didn't correct it.

00:34:37.000 It says, it made it say parody accounts.

00:34:39.000 Or it says either commentary account or parody account or whatever.

00:34:43.000 Fan run account.

00:34:44.000 Just so you don't think it's me because people do things to me.

00:34:46.000 It's in Asia.

00:34:48.000 So someone in Asia is doing that.

00:34:50.000 Allegedly.

00:34:50.000 Unless he's got a VPN.

00:34:52.000 I mean, you could.

00:34:55.000 But you could, right?

00:34:56.000 That's the question.

00:34:57.000 Like, how do they know where you're from if you sign up with a VPN and you say, I'm in the South Pacific?

00:35:03.000 Like, how do they know?

00:35:05.000 I don't know.

00:35:06.000 I certainly know that assuming that you're on the right side of history, especially if you're in a big group, is often a bit dangerous position to be in.

00:35:18.000 So that Cassandra complex thing that I was talking about before, sometimes people might say, it's your duty, if you believe in a thing, to stand firm.

00:35:28.000 You should make your case known.

00:35:30.000 You know, you're Ignis Samuelweis.

00:35:31.000 You know about the germ theory of disease.

00:35:33.000 You're Rachel Carson.

00:35:34.000 You know about the impact of DDT.

00:35:36.000 You're Edward Snowden.

00:35:37.000 know about the surveillance that's going on.

00:35:38.000 There's a really wonderful example, the comparison between Copernicus and Galileo.

00:35:43.000 So Copernicus in the 1500s, he begins to realize that the Earth might not be the center of the solar system, let alone the universe.

00:35:53.000 And he has enough evidence to justify it, but he waits until his deathbed to actually sort of whisper out his great work, which is De Revolutionabus, this work that he made.

00:36:05.000 And he does it on his deathbed, presumably to avoid the wrath of the church.

00:36:08.000 Now, some sort of hardline freedom fighting, you should do it.

00:36:13.000 Don't listen to the man, don't back down, like just stand on your principles, people would say, well, that's a cowardly thing to do.

00:36:18.000 You knew what the truth was and you didn't stand by it.

00:36:21.000 A hundred years later, Galileo comes along.

00:36:24.000 He sees the moons of Jupiter, sees the phases of Venus, sees the pockmarks on the surface of the moon, and he realizes that the heliocentric model, this like Copernican revolution, is true, proclaims it from the rooftops.

00:36:37.000 What happens to him?

00:36:38.000 House arrest.

00:36:39.000 He gets put under house arrest.

00:36:41.000 He gets forced to recant under the threat of torture and spends the rest of his life under house arrest.

00:36:47.000 So what you have here, and I fucking love this example so much.

00:36:49.000 I think it's so cool.

00:36:50.000 It's two guys, 100 years apart, with the same realization.

00:36:55.000 And the justification for the first one not saying what he didn't say loudly is the treatment of the second.

00:37:02.000 I think it's like just this perfect explanation of irony.

00:37:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:05.000 Like it's so perfect.

00:37:07.000 And you go, well, the main issue that I have with like basically being right and early often feels a lot like being wrong.

00:37:16.000 And if you make an example of somebody in that way, it is basically you saying, if you step out of line too far, this is what's going to happen to you.

00:37:28.000 And it causes people who are trying to move conceptual inertia forward.

00:37:32.000 We're trying to do research.

00:37:33.000 I'm trying to assess whether or not this is actually the way that the world should be.

00:37:37.000 It causes them to be more Copernicus, not more Galileo.

00:37:41.000 And I think that's not what you would want in a civilization that's trying to continue to make progress.

00:37:50.000 You would want to be accepting of new ideas and you would want to encourage them as opposed to castigating people.

00:37:54.000 Do you think that social media and the influence of other people's opinions, it makes someone more likely to be able to think for themselves or less likely?

00:38:08.000 Like more likely to be able to examine preconceived notions, recognize like, oh my God, maybe I'm biased or maybe it's just like a group bias that I've accepted because of all the people around me.

00:38:19.000 And I think this is wrong.

00:38:23.000 And I think this is what I think is really going on.

00:38:25.000 Or do you think it encourages that kind of thinking or discourages it?

00:38:31.000 I think it certainly encourages groupthink, very much so.

00:38:34.000 But both, right?

00:38:36.000 It would open up the opportunity for some people with a very unique psychological profile to be able to step back against.

00:38:43.000 Black helicopters.

00:38:45.000 Yeah, there's a few guys out there I can think of.

00:38:49.000 But I think on average, what you're seeing is basically this huge, big swath of people.

00:38:54.000 For the first time ever, you're able to aggregate just how much support or criticism something has.

00:39:01.000 You know, this is what like to dislike ratios are.

00:39:03.000 This is what upvote to downvotes are on Reddit.

00:39:06.000 And I think that that causes people.

00:39:09.000 Most people don't want to have to do the thinking of coming up with an original opinion.

00:39:12.000 I'm sure that most of mine aren't original.

00:39:14.000 But given the fact that doing the original thinking is hard, most of the culture war is actually two armies of puppets being ventriloquized by a handful of actual thinkers.

00:39:24.000 Most people are just being brought along and pushed along by people who came up with an idea.

00:39:29.000 And they're assuming, well, we know this for a fact.

00:39:32.000 Well, it's interesting because both sides know for a fact the thing that the other side says is a lie.

00:39:37.000 So that can't be true.

00:39:39.000 See, I get the sense that it causes people to adhere to the crowd more, more than they would have done previously.

00:39:48.000 And you also have to think that if you're spending that much time on it, like six hours a day, it's one of the primary influences of your life.

00:39:54.000 Probably more so than any other media in the past.

00:39:59.000 Because it was very rare as a child that you would listen to six hours of the news.

00:40:04.000 You wouldn't really be indoctrinated into six hours of whatever the latest cultural dilemma was or the latest social issue was.

00:40:11.000 You wouldn't get that much of it.

00:40:13.000 You get people talking about it like normal people do during the day, or maybe you'd be talking about a newspaper article you read, but you're not getting six hours of it all day long.

00:40:22.000 But now we are, at least six hours.

00:40:24.000 I mean, what is the, let's find that out.

00:40:26.000 What's the average number of hours a 18-year-old kid is on social media?

00:40:31.000 I would guess it's at least social media, maybe four hours.

00:40:34.000 Or their phone.

00:40:35.000 Let's just say their phones.

00:40:37.000 Screen time, at least six.

00:40:38.000 Probably more.

00:40:39.000 At least six, probably more.

00:40:39.000 Yeah.

00:40:40.000 And the mad thing to consider here is your parasocial relationships.

00:40:46.000 Think about this.

00:40:46.000 People will listen to your show and listen to my show more than they see their parents.

00:40:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:52.000 By a huge margin.

00:40:54.000 Huge margin.

00:40:54.000 And if you saw your parents that much, it'd be kind of creepy.

00:40:58.000 The average screen time for 18-year-olds, seven to eight hours of total screen time per day is common, though it varies a lot by person and country.

00:41:08.000 Okay, what country has the least amount of screen usage?

00:41:12.000 Would you want to discount school time too?

00:41:14.000 Because aren't they on screens technically in school?

00:41:17.000 I mean, it's like phone time, I guess, right?

00:41:20.000 Yeah, I think it's personal phones they're talking about.

00:41:22.000 Are they on screens?

00:41:23.000 Some of them.

00:41:23.000 I mean, a lot of kids have to be able to do that.

00:41:24.000 I've noticed iPads, my laptop open in my screen time, because I'm connected to the same iOS system.

00:41:30.000 So I'm getting like 18 hours a day, but I'm like, I'm not on my phone 18 hours a day.

00:41:34.000 interesting um so let's guess like what countries well you'd have to have first world countries for it to count You know, like if you're in the Congo, you probably don't get as much screen time.

00:41:48.000 No, you're busy mining the fucking raw materials.

00:41:52.000 Exactly.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, you're making the phones, not using them.

00:41:54.000 Which is the craziest thing of all.

00:41:56.000 The thing that people virtue signal on the most at the end of the line is someone pulling it out.

00:42:03.000 Lowest global average.

00:42:04.000 Interesting.

00:42:04.000 Three hours and 56 minutes is still a lot of time.

00:42:07.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:42:09.000 But they're probably a little healthier with it.

00:42:11.000 How is 9 hours and 24 minutes less than 10 hours and 56 minutes?

00:42:16.000 Like, how is that the highest global average if 10 hours is the...

00:42:20.000 That's weird.

00:42:21.000 I don't understand.

00:42:22.000 Yeah.

00:42:22.000 Close contender is more than the highest global average.

00:42:27.000 I don't know.

00:42:27.000 Oh, get it.

00:42:28.000 But either way, the Philippines, they're killing the game. 1.00

00:42:30.000 10 hours and 56 minutes.

00:42:32.000 Dude, there was a 2023 mental health report.

00:42:36.000 The UK came in second most depressed country in the world.

00:42:42.000 Second.

00:42:43.000 Second most depressed country in the world.

00:42:45.000 UK.

00:42:46.000 What's number one?

00:42:47.000 Uzbekistan.

00:42:48.000 So it's just above Uzbekistan and just below South Africa.

00:42:53.000 The UK used to rank higher?

00:42:56.000 Yes, it's tracked down over time, but it's never been superbly.

00:42:59.000 I mean, misery is our, like melancholy is sort of our personality.

00:43:04.000 It's our national sport, right?

00:43:05.000 Being a bit more melancholic.

00:43:08.000 But yet, the Ukraine, who are just about to go into their fourth year of war, came in higher.

00:43:13.000 And Yemen, who apparently are going through one of the worst humanitarian crises in human history, also ranked higher than the UK.

00:43:21.000 So yeah, second most depressed country in the world.

00:43:23.000 That's crazy.

00:43:24.000 That's a wild number, man.

00:43:27.000 It can't just be the weather.

00:43:28.000 It has to be like a...

00:43:30.000 Weather might contribute a little bit.

00:43:32.000 A little bit, like Seattle does.

00:43:33.000 Like, people in Seattle are depressed as fuck.

00:43:35.000 Maybe it's the online safety bill.

00:43:37.000 Could be.

00:43:38.000 That would get me depressed.

00:43:40.000 I would be so depressed if I lived in England right now.

00:43:42.000 I'd be like, I'm fucked, like, legitimately fucked.

00:43:45.000 Like, imagine if I was running this podcast the exact same way out of England.

00:43:50.000 Not for long.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, I'd get him arrested.

00:43:53.000 I'd get arrested.

00:43:54.000 I saw them, they arrested a teacher because he refused to refer to one of his students as a they.

00:44:00.000 And this is like his second infraction.

00:44:03.000 And so they arrested him for failure to recognize a singular plural.

00:44:14.000 Look, I really don't like, I don't like shitting on the UK because it feels like I'm pulling the ladder up after I've just got out of it.

00:44:21.000 But it's just, I don't know how many more ways you can face plant over and over again.

00:44:26.000 And there's this bit, there's a strange kind of romanticization of the past of the UK where we, oh, English common law and we stop the transatlantic slave trade and we use the navy and so on and so forth.

00:44:37.000 But like we're really living on borrowed time now as the UK.

00:44:41.000 It's been a good while since the UK sort of contributed in that sort of a way.

00:44:45.000 There was a, you know, Alan Turing from World War II.

00:44:47.000 The Turing Effect?

00:44:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:48.000 Yeah.

00:44:50.000 So he was the guy that decoded the indicator machine.

00:44:53.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:54.000 So he was gay and he was chemically castrated by the British, despite the fact that he was literally our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right?

00:45:02.000 He was a very British version as well.

00:45:04.000 It wasn't kinetic, it was cognitive.

00:45:06.000 So he decodes the machine that the Germans are using to send their secret messages. 0.94

00:45:11.000 This means that we're able to detect exactly where the U-boats are going to be.

00:45:15.000 And it results in some really awkward situations.

00:45:18.000 Like if we are, before we're going to use all of our force to try and take Germany down, if we avoid all of their planned bombings, they're going to guess that we might have the keys to some of their communication. 0.73

00:45:31.000 So they had to start making decisions about which boats needed to be let attacked and which boats needed to be saved.

00:45:38.000 Oh my God.

00:45:39.000 knew all of the different attacks that were coming but if they got rid of all of them if they were safe from all of them the germans would start to catch on so they had this really oh god So this guy, this guy is our equivalent of the atomic bomb, right? 0.94

00:45:54.000 He's our Oppenheimer.

00:45:56.000 He gets chemically castrated just after World War II.

00:45:59.000 It was in the 50s, right?

00:46:00.000 Yeah.

00:46:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:01.000 And he kills himself.

00:46:02.000 He takes his own life.

00:46:03.000 He puts cyanide in an apple.

00:46:05.000 Oscar Wilde in the 1800s, one of the greatest writers of all time.

00:46:10.000 He's jailed and then dies in exile as a peasant in France because he was gay. 0.58

00:46:15.000 And then 70 years after Turing, Gordon Brown, it's like 2008, 2009, publicly apologizes.

00:46:23.000 They bring out this thing called the Turing Act, which gets rid of the criminal records of all of these people from history, like posthumous, and some of them are probably still alive, actually, like some of these people that had been, whatever it was, convicted of indecent behavior, improper behavior at the time.

00:46:41.000 And then they put Turing on the £50 note.

00:46:44.000 So Britain has, for all that it's fantastic and I love it and it's the country that I came from, like it does have a history of fucking persecuting people for what's deemed improper behavior at the time and then apologizing for it a couple of decades later.

00:46:57.000 And I think with the online safety bill thing, just I think it's going to be the sort of thing that you look back on and go, that was not, in no one's world, was that a smart move.

00:47:07.000 I don't think that it's a, I don't think that it's helping anybody at all.

00:47:11.000 Well, it just appears that they want total, complete control over what people say over there and that they don't want criticism of the government, criticism about immigration, criticism about, you know, fill in the blank.

00:47:26.000 They don't want it.

00:47:26.000 And the best way to stop that is to keep everybody scared, make everybody self-censor.

00:47:30.000 What's the best way to make everybody self-censor?

00:47:32.000 Put a bunch of fucking people in jail.

00:47:35.000 So last year, what was it?

00:47:36.000 12,000, 12,000 people got arrested for social media posts.

00:47:39.000 Supposedly more than Russia. 0.82

00:47:40.000 Although the Russian stats might not be.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 Well, they didn't arrest him.

00:47:45.000 They just shot him in the face.

00:47:47.000 They don't get anything.

00:47:48.000 Gulag.

00:47:48.000 Gulag for you.

00:47:49.000 Yeah.

00:47:50.000 They just kill folks over there. 0.99

00:47:52.000 But yeah, it's really bad.

00:47:54.000 It's really bad.

00:47:55.000 And it just doesn't seem very progressive.

00:47:59.000 It doesn't seem like you're moving towards the future.

00:48:01.000 It's not progress.

00:48:03.000 Like this, we figured out a long time ago that free speech is very important to figure out what's right and what's wrong.

00:48:09.000 And when you suppress people's speech, you can get away with a lot of fucking horrible things because you stop people from being able to protest it.

00:48:17.000 You know, in a small part, we saw a lot of that during the pandemic.

00:48:20.000 And, you know, you see what the consequences of that are.

00:48:24.000 You can't trust people that want power.

00:48:27.000 You just can't.

00:48:28.000 What do you mean?

00:48:29.000 Well, anybody that wants any kind of control over a group of people, if you want to control what they say, if you want to control where they go, you want to put them in 15-minute cities, you can't trust that because the natural inclination when someone has power is to never let it go and to ramp it up.

00:48:46.000 They're in the power business.

00:48:47.000 If you're in the power business, you don't want to keep making the same amount of money every year.

00:48:52.000 You don't want to have the same power every year.

00:48:53.000 That's boring, right?

00:48:55.000 Like if you're an insurance salesman, you want to be the fucking employee of the month.

00:48:58.000 You want to make more money next year.

00:48:59.000 You got your eyes on a new Lexus.

00:49:01.000 You're trying to make more.

00:49:02.000 You're not trying to stay maintained.

00:49:05.000 That's not the game you're in.

00:49:06.000 And if you're in the power game and if you're in the game of enacting new laws in order to, we need safety.

00:49:13.000 Safety.

00:49:14.000 Under the guise of safety, you can get so much evil shit done.

00:49:17.000 And if you start doing that, you're not going to say, you know what, guys, we were that safety bill.

00:49:21.000 We were really wrong.

00:49:22.000 And what's really important is discourse.

00:49:23.000 What's really important is that maybe I wonder why you think the way you think.

00:49:28.000 And, you know, maybe part of this polarization process is not enabling us to see valid points the other side has.

00:49:36.000 Let's all come together and talk about this as reasonable human beings.

00:49:40.000 No, that's not what they're going to do.

00:49:42.000 They're going to just come up with more fucking reasons to put you in a cage. 0.96

00:49:47.000 They want you to shut the fuck up because they want to make more. 1.00

00:49:50.000 They want to have more.

00:49:51.000 They want to get more power.

00:49:52.000 They want to be the best leader.

00:49:54.000 They want to be the most powerful leader.

00:49:55.000 Isn't that a ruthless part of human nature that trajectory is more important than position?

00:50:01.000 Jimmy Carr taught me this.

00:50:02.000 So your industry, imagine that you're the 250th best comedian in the world.

00:50:08.000 Let's imagine there's a ranking.

00:50:09.000 And last year you were the 300th.

00:50:12.000 You were in a more psychologically preferable position than somebody who's number two in the world, but last year I was number one.

00:50:21.000 This sense that humans have of where am I now compared to where I was previously.

00:50:26.000 I spoke to Dan Bilzerian about this forever ago, and I was like, dude, you've kind of climbed the peak of the mountain of hedonism.

00:50:32.000 Did you ever think that you kind of front-loaded it too much and that it's going to be really, really difficult for you to ever reset, like do a hedonic reset?

00:50:42.000 How do you go from the most amount of girls in the cars and all the dopamine that the world has to offer? 1.00

00:50:47.000 Like, where do you go from there?

00:50:49.000 And he basically said, yeah, he was like, I'm going to try.

00:50:52.000 I would consider shaving my head and my beard and going and working in an Amazon warehouse for six months to see if I can do like a hard reset.

00:50:58.000 But you always know that you've got to get out of jail free cards, so it's not going to be the same.

00:51:01.000 And just the idea, as you're saying, somebody has power.

00:51:07.000 They want more power.

00:51:08.000 Right.

00:51:09.000 They want more power.

00:51:10.000 They want more control.

00:51:11.000 That sense.

00:51:12.000 That's the sport they're playing.

00:51:15.000 Bingo.

00:51:16.000 They're scoring.

00:51:16.000 Scoring.

00:51:17.000 You have to keep score.

00:51:18.000 Greta Tumbug. 0.98

00:51:19.000 The same thing.

00:51:20.000 We need more eyeballs. 0.98

00:51:21.000 We need a bigger, bigger.

00:51:23.000 Because where do you go after you've made the rivers of Venice green?

00:51:26.000 Yeah.

00:51:26.000 Well, you need to do something bigger, something more.

00:51:28.000 I need more likes.

00:51:29.000 That didn't get me enough likes.

00:51:31.000 I need more likes.

00:51:32.000 I need to go viral.

00:51:33.000 It's a ruthless.

00:51:34.000 I'm being shadow banned.

00:51:36.000 No, you're not.

00:51:37.000 Your content just sucks.

00:51:40.000 Some people get shadow banned, but most people that are shadow banned, they just suck.

00:51:43.000 Yeah, most people just don't understand that they're not interesting.

00:51:46.000 But there's definitely real shadow banning going on.

00:51:48.000 One of the things that was interesting is that once Elon purchased Twitter, I gained like 5 million followers over the course of like a couple of months.

00:51:56.000 I was like, what's going on?

00:51:58.000 It's because I was somehow or another, they had locked my followers down.

00:52:04.000 I'm not complaining about this.

00:52:05.000 I'm just observing.

00:52:07.000 I know I have a lot of followers.

00:52:08.000 It's ridiculous.

00:52:09.000 But I started, I think I had 7 million.

00:52:12.000 And I used to go up pretty steady.

00:52:14.000 And then somewhere during the woke days, during the dark days of woke, when it all started happening, which is around, I think, 2014, 15, 16, it started really ramping up.

00:52:25.000 And then it seems like from 16 on, real censorship started really kicking into high gear because then they had a reason for it.

00:52:33.000 Donald Trump is our president.

00:52:35.000 We have to make sure this never happens again.

00:52:37.000 In fact, there was a meeting.

00:52:39.000 I believe, I don't want to say the tech company because I might be incorrect.

00:52:44.000 But one of the people, one of the main people at this tech company specifically said at the meeting, we have to make sure this doesn't happen again.

00:52:56.000 As in Trumping President.

00:52:58.000 Did a fucking horrendous job there.

00:53:00.000 Well, they fucked up.

00:53:01.000 But the point being, imagine you are in control of an enormous platform, an enormous media platform that controls the discourse of untold billions of people in the world.

00:53:16.000 And you have a very specific mandate that you've given to the people that work for you.

00:53:20.000 We have to make sure that we control who the king is.

00:53:24.000 Because that's what you're saying.

00:53:26.000 Are you saying we got to make sure this doesn't happen again?

00:53:28.000 Well, how do you do that?

00:53:30.000 How do you do that if 50% of the people don't agree?

00:53:32.000 By force.

00:53:34.000 There's only one way.

00:53:35.000 You have to do it by force.

00:53:36.000 Or if you control the narrative, then you just hide information, accelerate information that's incorrect.

00:53:45.000 You just ban people from communicating.

00:53:48.000 You kick people out.

00:53:50.000 Well, I mean, some people would say that getting to choose who's king is what you do if you then buy that social media platform.

00:53:56.000 Sure.

00:53:57.000 There's an argument for that, like what Elon did.

00:53:59.000 There's a real argument for that.

00:54:01.000 But there's also an argument for, don't you think it's a good idea if we have at least one of these motherfuckers that's huge that you can go wild, wild west on and say whatever you want? 1.00

00:54:12.000 I think that's very important.

00:54:14.000 You don't have to agree with them.

00:54:16.000 There's all these tools you can use.

00:54:17.000 One of them is the moot button.

00:54:19.000 You can mute people.

00:54:20.000 Bye-bye.

00:54:21.000 I don't want to hear you anymore.

00:54:22.000 You're annoying.

00:54:23.000 Or you can ban them.

00:54:24.000 I don't even want you looking at my page.

00:54:25.000 Get out of here.

00:54:26.000 Those things exist.

00:54:27.000 Like you can curate who you're communicating and interacting with.

00:54:31.000 But if you don't have one of these groups that's resistant to intelligence agencies shutting down legitimate voices, including during the COVID times, it was guys like Jay Battacharia from Stanford, guy from MIT, because they were saying something that didn't jive with what the agenda that Fauci was pushing through.

00:54:54.000 Where do you think we're at now?

00:54:56.000 If you were to sort of predict what the trajectory of the speech stuff is online, talk about America, the UK, I think is just a lost cause.

00:55:04.000 Do you think that we're going to continue on this general path, which seems to be a little bit more sanity at the peak?

00:55:10.000 This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter.

00:55:13.000 Have you ever lost your keys and ended up tearing your house apart trying to find them?

00:55:17.000 What makes it even worse is when it's the most conspicuous, obvious place you could have sworn you checked already.

00:55:25.000 It'd be nice if we had the ability to find whatever we're looking for right away.

00:55:30.000 And at least for hiring managers on the hunt for talented people, that's possible.

00:55:34.000 Thanks to ZipRecruiter.

00:55:36.000 Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/slash Rogan.

00:55:41.000 Using ZipRecruiter almost feels like having superpowers.

00:55:43.000 It works quickly and efficiently at finding qualified candidates for your role, largely because they have incredible matching technology and an advanced resume database that can help you connect with people instantly.

00:55:57.000 No more wasting time and energy.

00:55:59.000 ZipRecruiter can help you find exactly what you want.

00:56:03.000 Want to know right away how many qualified candidates are in your area?

00:56:07.000 Look no further than ZipRecruiter.

00:56:09.000 Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day.

00:56:15.000 And right now, you can try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/slash Rogan.

00:56:20.000 Again, that's ziprecruiter.com/slash Rogan.

00:56:24.000 ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. 0.96

00:56:26.000 I think people realize from the peak, and most importantly, realize from Elon's purchase of Twitter.

00:56:33.000 When Elon purchased Twitter, and I don't say this lightly, I think he changed the course of civilization.

00:56:38.000 I think we were on our way to this weird dystopian censorship complex that was already moving.

00:56:38.000 I really do.

00:56:46.000 We had already had intelligence agencies that were contacting Twitter.

00:56:50.000 We know this through the Twitter files.

00:56:52.000 And they were banning certain people that weren't saying incorrect things, but they were saying things that were inconvenient.

00:57:00.000 And they turned out to all be accurate.

00:57:02.000 All the things that they were warning about, all the things that they're saying, all turned out to be accurate.

00:57:06.000 They stopped the distribution of the Hunter Biden laptop story by the New York Post.

00:57:13.000 The New York Post, the second oldest newspaper in America.

00:57:17.000 It's a fucking huge newspaper.

00:57:19.000 To stop that from being able to be distributed on Twitter, which would turn out to be a totally accurate story.

00:57:27.000 And to stop that accurate story is wild.

00:57:29.000 That is scary stuff.

00:57:31.000 That if Elon didn't purchase Twitter, we would have just had to deal with that kind of stuff.

00:57:38.000 That would be, and it would accelerate.

00:57:40.000 It wouldn't stay where it is.

00:57:41.000 It would ramp up.

00:57:42.000 It would get more.

00:57:44.000 They were starting to use the term malinformation.

00:57:46.000 So there's misinformation, disinformation, and then malinformation.

00:57:51.000 Malinformation is factual information that might cause harm.

00:57:56.000 Can you give me an example of malinformation?

00:57:58.000 Children don't need a COVID vaccine.

00:58:01.000 That's malinformation.

00:58:02.000 Because it is true.

00:58:03.000 Statistically speaking, especially healthy kids, they kick it off like it's nothing.

00:58:08.000 They don't need a vaccine for that, but that might cause people to not get vaccinated, and that might kill your grandmother. 0.82

00:58:14.000 So that's malinformation.

00:58:15.000 Can you think of an example of malinformation where it's justified in doing that?

00:58:22.000 I would say, like, if you had some information and you were releasing it online that was an accurate depiction of some things that the federal government is involved with that would compromise national security to achieve people killed, how to start conflicts.

00:58:22.000 Yes.

00:58:51.000 Here's another one that I've just thought of: how to, you know, those desktop DNA printers?

00:58:57.000 This is how to put smallpox together.

00:58:59.000 Right.

00:59:01.000 Something like that.

00:59:01.000 Something which is true that would be dangerous.

00:59:04.000 And this is the devil's in the fucking details.

00:59:06.000 100%.

00:59:07.000 Stuff like this.

00:59:08.000 It's never binary.

00:59:09.000 It's never incorrect.

00:59:10.000 Sometimes it's binary.

00:59:11.000 Yeah, sometimes.

00:59:12.000 I shouldn't say never.

00:59:13.000 Some things are binary.

00:59:14.000 Sure.

00:59:15.000 Like whether or not you should win a fucking world's woman stronglifting, strongman power woman competition.

00:59:22.000 That just happened.

00:59:23.000 I thought we were done with that.

00:59:25.000 It just happened.

00:59:26.000 Would you know why it was able to happen?

00:59:28.000 It's because that person lied.

00:59:31.000 That person lied about their sex.

00:59:33.000 Oh, interesting.

00:59:35.000 Jamie, can you try and pull up an image of the current 2025 world's strongest woman winner, please?

00:59:45.000 Just for clarity, Mitchell Hooper, that is the world's strongest man, Canadian dude, he's 6'3, 330.

00:59:54.000 The person who won, woman's strongest man, is 6'4 and 400 pounds.

01:00:01.000 She makes the current world's strongest man look like an infant.

01:00:05.000 Oh, world's strongest woman woman stripped of title after organizers discover she was born a man.

01:00:10.000 That was an hour ago, dude.

01:00:11.000 Okay, so an hour ago they stripped her. 0.98

01:00:13.000 Is that the person?

01:00:14.000 Jamie Bucker, disqualified.

01:00:14.000 Yep.

01:00:17.000 That's a man?

01:00:19.000 Are you sure?

01:00:20.000 It appears the athlete who is biologically male and now identifies as female competed in the women's open category.

01:00:26.000 They were unaware of this fact ahead of the competition and have been urgently investigating.

01:00:30.000 I want to know what urgent investigation is.

01:00:32.000 They went on Twitter.

01:00:36.000 So that's a biological male.

01:00:38.000 That's interesting.

01:00:38.000 Correct.

01:00:39.000 He looks like just a big lady. 1.00

01:00:40.000 Had we been aware or had this been declared at any point before or during the competition, this athlete would not have been permitted to compete in the women's open category.

01:00:46.000 The move comes after runner-up Andrea Thompson, British, hey, was filmed storming off the podium as she raged about the bullshit decision to ward the title.

01:00:54.000 So the other competitors evidently knew.

01:00:58.000 Okay, so Thompson is now the winner.

01:00:59.000 So the UK gets the gold.

01:01:01.000 I think about this so much when it comes to sporting competitions.

01:01:05.000 And it's not just with the trans thing, although this is a huge deal.

01:01:09.000 And I did think that we kind of got past it.

01:01:13.000 How horrible is it to be the person who won but had that moment, the podium moment, stolen from you by somebody?

01:01:22.000 I think there's a weightlifting Olympics, weightlifting championship final where currently like the 11th place finisher is now first because each person has progressively got popped for PEDs.

01:01:35.000 Number one, did then number two, did then number three, did.

01:01:37.000 It's like 11 people have been popped for PEDs now.

01:01:39.000 Well, that's the Tour de France.

01:01:41.000 You know, when they took away Lance Armstrong's title, so the Tour de France, what they didn't tell you, that if you want to go and remove all of the people that have tested positive for something, you got to go down to like 18th place.

01:01:57.000 For real.

01:01:58.000 For real.

01:01:59.000 Like all those guys were doing something.

01:02:02.000 They were all blood doping.

01:02:03.000 They were all taking EPO.

01:02:05.000 They were putting motors in their fucking bikes.

01:02:08.000 I've seen a video of that.

01:02:09.000 Yeah.

01:02:11.000 These guys try for fucking every edge humanly possible.

01:02:15.000 So, you know, he was just a scapegoat.

01:02:18.000 But what he was doing was he was suing people that were saying that he did PEDs.

01:02:22.000 It's a smart way to silence them.

01:02:24.000 But yeah, I mean, sort of.

01:02:27.000 Thinking about, I'd be really interested to see what the reaction is.

01:02:30.000 That's hot, fucking wet clay stuff, right?

01:02:32.000 Hot off the press a couple of hours ago that it's been recently.

01:02:34.000 I think we would be more outraged if they accepted this transgender person as a female and then say, oh, a trans woman's a woman. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Let her compete. 1.00

01:02:45.000 It seems like this person lied.

01:02:47.000 And so that's different.

01:02:49.000 But still identify.

01:02:50.000 So I agree that it's reassuring to see what the world's strongest person organization decided that they were going to do in a sort of repercussion to it.

01:03:02.000 But you can already predict.

01:03:04.000 Both of us can already predict what's going to happen online.

01:03:07.000 That this person shouldn't have been stripped of their title.

01:03:10.000 Maybe they lied, but they shouldn't be competing inside of this.

01:03:13.000 The side of the aisle that always agrees with this, do you not think that they're going to be pro?

01:03:18.000 I think that is slowly but surely losing traction and support.

01:03:25.000 I really believe that.

01:03:26.000 I believe that's where the rubber meets the road because you're going to lose most women that have ever done a sport. 1.00

01:03:35.000 You know, if you are a sedentary woman that has no interest whatsoever in athletic competition and you think it's more than a good price to pay to let biological males who identify as women, because we want them to be exclusive, it's more important to recognize and affirm their identity than it is to be fair. 0.64

01:03:54.000 You haven't done any sports.

01:03:56.000 So you're going to lose not just most of the men.

01:03:59.000 You're going to lose a lot of, you're going to lose anyone right of center, like libertarian, anyone, anyone.

01:04:08.000 You're going to not just lose all of the right, you're going to lose a giant chunk of the center.

01:04:13.000 Because I think the center in this country is probably the most rational of all groups.

01:04:18.000 Those are the people that recognize, God, kind of a little bit of everything here, you know, and right of center or left of center.

01:04:25.000 You're going to lose all those people, and you're going to lose most women. 0.92

01:04:28.000 You're going to lose most women that have gone to most women that have daughters.

01:04:32.000 You're going to lose them.

01:04:33.000 The only ones you're not going to lose are the fucking kooks, the SSRI, filled up, anti-anxiety medication, transitioning happy kooks. 0.99

01:04:45.000 Those fucking kooks that, you know, think that you have a hierarchy of who's oppressed the most.

01:04:51.000 And trans people are people.

01:04:53.000 Trans women are women. 0.90

01:04:54.000 And they want to scream it out and yell it.

01:04:56.000 They're just crazy.

01:04:58.000 You're going to have those people that are going to be with it no matter what.

01:05:02.000 Get into the boxing ring with that trans woman who's a woman. 1.00

01:05:04.000 I love the one that was a man that lied.

01:05:08.000 The Olympic champion that they just took away his gold medal.

01:05:12.000 That story flip-flop back and forth like 10 times.

01:05:15.000 It was like a Christopher Nolan movie to me that.

01:05:17.000 Because that person was threatening to sue a bunch of people, right?

01:05:20.000 They were threatening to sue a bunch of people that called them a male.

01:05:23.000 But they then rescinded it, made a statement.

01:05:25.000 Let's put this through perplexity or something where we can figure out.

01:05:31.000 I want to know what the number is.

01:05:33.000 I want to know what's true.

01:05:35.000 Because what I think is there was another organization that did a chromosome analysis and found out this person had an XY chromosome.

01:05:43.000 So this is a specific type of disease or genetic abnormality where your testicles don't.

01:05:50.000 It's talking about, did that person get their gold medal taken away and why?

01:06:02.000 Well, yes, they did.

01:06:03.000 Right.

01:06:04.000 And why?

01:06:04.000 Just see what, I know, but let's see what it says in terms of why.

01:06:07.000 Why?

01:06:08.000 Because they're a man.

01:06:09.000 And how did they find out?

01:06:11.000 Find out how they found out.

01:06:12.000 Because I think the narrative is that there was another boxing organization that had already suspected something was up.

01:06:19.000 Did some testing.

01:06:19.000 Did some testing, found out this person has an XY chromosome.

01:06:24.000 So won the Golden Women's 66-kilogram boxing event.

01:06:29.000 Strip.

01:06:30.000 Now a derecognized International Boxing Association previously disqualified Khalif from the 2023 Women's World Championships after she failed eligibility tests under its own rules. 0.98

01:06:41.000 Later claimed those tests showed she was ineligible for women's competition because of these tests, IBA officials, some media, and advocacy groups have publicly demanded the IOC strip or reclaim her gold medal, arguing that she could not have been allowed in the women's, should not have been allowed in the women's category.

01:06:59.000 Like they're still saying she.

01:07:00.000 Despite those demands, IOC has defended allowing Khalif to compete in Paris, describing the IBA's disqualification decision as arbitrary and saying she met the IOC's eligibility criteria at the time.

01:07:13.000 So what is the IOC's credibility?

01:07:16.000 What is their eligibility criteria?

01:07:20.000 Boxing must be a fucking nightmare for this because of all of the different organizations that exist.

01:07:24.000 And each one is going to have its own different set.

01:07:27.000 We have a coordination problem here.

01:07:29.000 Here's an even more, here's a bigger nightmare.

01:07:31.000 Prisons.

01:07:33.000 Prisons have a self-identity thing in order to be eligible for female prisons. 1.00

01:07:38.000 There's a lot of prisons, including, I believe, New Jersey, California.

01:07:42.000 California has 47 biological males that are housed in women's prisons.

01:07:45.000 Okay.

01:07:46.000 At least.

01:07:47.000 Who runs a prison?

01:07:49.000 Is it the state?

01:07:50.000 Is it an independent organization?

01:07:52.000 Some of them are independent.

01:07:54.000 Some of them are privately owned.

01:07:55.000 Chromosome test results were kept confidential by the IBA, but were leaked after and widely reported.

01:08:02.000 The IOC nonetheless rejected IBA's findings as arbitrary, even with the chromosome test.

01:08:09.000 That's really standing your ground.

01:08:10.000 Boy, you silly gooses. 1.00

01:08:13.000 Well, see, this is only 2024.

01:08:16.000 So to say that maybe this is the landmark case.

01:08:20.000 Maybe it wasn't Leah Thomas as a swimmer. 1.00

01:08:22.000 Maybe it was somebody in a physical sport.

01:08:23.000 But I mean, when we're talking about the strong woman competition, dude, if you're 6'4, I think the next tallest woman was 5'8 or 5'7. 0.91

01:08:33.000 Think about what you're doing.

01:08:34.000 You're like wrapping your arms around.

01:08:36.000 It always gets slippery, right?

01:08:37.000 Because it's like, well, there's not very many of them.

01:08:39.000 So why are we making such a big deal out of it?

01:08:41.000 And it's like, hey, if there's one rapist in the local community, you're not going, well, there's only one of them.

01:08:47.000 Like, what's the chances that you run into?

01:08:48.000 It's like, no, no, no, we go, we try and treat this problem.

01:08:52.000 So first off, there's not many of them.

01:08:54.000 Then, well, you know, look at what happens when you take these estrogen, you downregulate your testosterone.

01:09:00.000 It's below this particular level, therapeutic, da, And you go, well, yeah, but it's like being on a heavy course of steroids up until you stopped doing that.

01:09:08.000 And then how much of that does carry over?

01:09:10.000 That gets a bit slippery.

01:09:11.000 But just the size, the size of the hands of a person who's 6'4 and 400 pounds compared with a woman who's probably like 220 and 5'8, like grip strength, being able to do, like, that's pretty important in the sport of strong women.

01:09:25.000 All of it is ridiculous.

01:09:26.000 Wrapping your arms around an Atlas stone.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, you could do this forever.

01:09:30.000 It's all ridiculous.

01:09:31.000 It's ridiculous.

01:09:32.000 It's not the same.

01:09:33.000 You know, it doesn't mean that someone shouldn't be able to change their name and identify as a woman.

01:09:38.000 It's just like you can't dominate women's sports. 1.00

01:09:41.000 Can't dominate women's spaces. 1.00

01:09:44.000 You're not a woman. 1.00

01:09:44.000 You can't. 1.00

01:09:46.000 We'll call you one if we want to be nice.

01:09:49.000 But the reality is, biological sex is a real thing.

01:09:53.000 And when it comes to competition, physical competition, there's a reason we have Title IX in America.

01:09:58.000 There's a reason why we recognize women's sports. 1.00

01:10:00.000 There's a reason why you have it set up that women will compete against each other because it's fair. 1.00

01:10:05.000 It's not fair to make women. 1.00

01:10:06.000 Girls, you just have a unisex category. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Yes.

01:10:09.000 And it would be dominated by men.

01:10:11.000 Dominated by men.

01:10:12.000 And then girls wouldn't have this amazing opportunity to get scholarships, which they're being denied because biological males are winning in their category because they allow them to compete. 0.86

01:10:23.000 And there's a thing called, this is what people don't want to believe, but it's true.

01:10:26.000 It always has existed.

01:10:29.000 No, they're doing this because they really are a woman. 1.00

01:10:32.000 There's a thing called sandbagging, okay?

01:10:34.000 And sandbagging has always existed.

01:10:36.000 Sandbagging is, let's say that you're going to enter into a jiu-jitsu tournament and you're going into the Purple Belt division, but you've been at Purple Belt for eight years and you're supposed to be a brown belt.

01:10:47.000 And they, you know, for whatever reason, you, or you could even, here's a worse one.

01:10:53.000 Maybe you're a black belt in judo, like an elite black belt, and you enter into a jiu-jitsu tournament in the white belt division.

01:11:00.000 And you're in there with some fucking dork who's a plumber who's just started taking classes.

01:11:04.000 I think it'd be fun to compete.

01:11:06.000 And you fucking flip him on his head and break his arm and an arm bar in like 15 seconds.

01:11:11.000 Like that's sandbagging because you're an elite athlete.

01:11:14.000 You're like a world-class judo guy that's just thought it would be fun to put a white belt on and enter into a jiu-jitsu tournament.

01:11:23.000 There's people that do that because they just want to win.

01:11:25.000 That's why people cheat at video games.

01:11:28.000 That's why people cheat at golf, right?

01:11:30.000 People cheat because they want to win.

01:11:31.000 They just want to get that W. 0.95

01:11:34.000 And there's people that will pretend they're a woman to beat up women. 1.00

01:11:38.000 And if you don't think that's the case, you haven't met enough psychos.

01:11:42.000 Because are there people that are in the wrong body?

01:11:44.000 I don't know.

01:11:45.000 I'll give them that respect.

01:11:47.000 I'll give them that dignity.

01:11:48.000 Are there also people that are out of their fucking mind and want an excuse to beat up women and pretend they're a woman?

01:11:54.000 If you tell them they could wear a dress and they could just run past all the ladies and dominate them on the field, yeah, they're going to do that too. 1.00

01:12:02.000 That's a real type of human being.

01:12:04.000 And if you don't have an accurate test for that, if you don't have a thing you make them lick, oh, you're a fucking psycho.

01:12:09.000 If you don't have that, then you have to judge each individual situation based entirely on why would someone do this.

01:12:17.000 How much crossover would there be if somebody was a black belt in judo?

01:12:22.000 How much crossover is there to an immense amount?

01:12:27.000 An immense.

01:12:28.000 An immense, amount.

01:12:31.000 Especially if it's a gi tournament.

01:12:33.000 Oh my God, you're virtually helpless.

01:12:36.000 Helpless.

01:12:37.000 Even though judo is primarily done on the feet?

01:12:40.000 It is, but they do arm bars.

01:12:43.000 They do.

01:12:43.000 Look at Ronda Rousey.

01:12:45.000 She has one of the best arm bars in the history of the sport.

01:12:48.000 Look at Kayla Harrison.

01:12:49.000 Look at all these Carl Parisian.

01:12:51.000 There's elite judo people that were wizards at arm bars, wizards at chokes and leg locks. 0.96

01:12:58.000 And of course, they're submitting each other as well.

01:13:01.000 It's not exactly the same.

01:13:04.000 And if they went like gi to gi with, you know, some prime Leo Vieira, black belt, you know, gi master, you know, what a you likely would give the jujitsu person a giant advantage because they'd spend way more time submitting people.

01:13:22.000 They would spend way more time working on submissions.

01:13:24.000 So judo to jiu-jitsu in a tournament, I would say black belt to black belt.

01:13:29.000 They probably have a disadvantage in judo, but a huge advantage over a white belt. 1.00

01:13:35.000 What do you think about Jake Paul Anthony Joshua?

01:13:38.000 Boy.

01:13:43.000 Well, realistically, it's one of the craziest propositions of all time.

01:13:50.000 You take a guy who just had a boxing match that looks like a sparring match with a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, and then you're going to fight one of the absolute scariest knockout artists in the heavyweight division.

01:14:05.000 Maybe we should watch the Francis Nganu fight.

01:14:08.000 So you could see, let's watch that real quick.

01:14:10.000 Just so you can see what Anthony Joshua is capable of if he's fighting someone that's not in his league.

01:14:16.000 Okay, look, Usik beat him, and he beat him twice, and Andy Ruiz caught him in the first fight and dropped him and stopped him.

01:14:26.000 It was spectacular.

01:14:27.000 Andy Ruiz is super fucking talented.

01:14:29.000 Usik is perhaps the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time.

01:14:33.000 Maybe one of the, maybe one of the greatest of all time in any weight class, Usuk.

01:14:38.000 You know, and Usik beat him, and he beat him twice.

01:14:41.000 But Francis Nganu is coming off of this fight with, like, go a little bit before that so we can see this happen.

01:14:49.000 Watch this.

01:14:51.000 So he drops him with a right hand early.

01:14:54.000 And this is like two minutes into the first round.

01:14:58.000 And Francis gets up, he survives.

01:15:02.000 And then Joshua, check out this combination he hits him with.

01:15:10.000 I mean, dude, the speed that he hits him with this, he's so dangerous, man.

01:15:19.000 It's like you're dealing with a guy who's an Olympic gold medalist, and he's enormous, and he's got vicious knockout power, and he's got immense amount of experience at world-class levels.

01:15:30.000 Just think about what we said earlier.

01:15:32.000 Fought Usuk twice, fought Andy Ruiz twice.

01:15:39.000 Oh, man.

01:15:40.000 Bro.

01:15:41.000 The timing in that right hand, just spectacular.

01:15:45.000 Spectacular.

01:15:46.000 Over the top.

01:15:47.000 I mean, that was a full force shot to the temple.

01:15:50.000 I mean, he's fucksville right now.

01:15:53.000 So they wipe off his gloves, but you look at him like he's really feeling it right now.

01:15:59.000 I mean, he probably has no idea where he is.

01:16:01.000 And Anthony Joshua is.

01:16:02.000 Oh, absolutely folded in half.

01:16:05.000 Back that up again?

01:16:06.000 Watch this.

01:16:07.000 I mean, just steps into it with every ounce of his body.

01:16:13.000 Perfect right hand.

01:16:15.000 So the fact that Jake Paul wants to fight that guy, hey, I'll watch.

01:16:21.000 I'm going to watch.

01:16:22.000 I'm definitely going to watch.

01:16:23.000 So you got me there.

01:16:25.000 And if you want to show you're legit by taking on one of the scariest fucking heavyweights alive.

01:16:31.000 Can you get the tail of the tape of Paul and Joshua?

01:16:34.000 I was going to say he has to, they got him to weigh a grade of 245.

01:16:37.000 It's only like seven pounds less.

01:16:39.000 Yeah, that's nothing.

01:16:40.000 But then there's some sort of a rehydration clause.

01:16:42.000 Listen, kids, it ain't going to matter.

01:16:44.000 You know, there's not a chance that Anthony Joshua is not going to just lose the weight beforehand.

01:16:49.000 He's not going to come in drained.

01:16:51.000 What he's going to do is just do extra cardio.

01:16:53.000 And that's just going to make him more dangerous.

01:16:56.000 He's going to be terrifying.

01:16:57.000 And he's going to have a lot to prove.

01:16:59.000 He's going to be very angry that Jake Paul wants to fight him.

01:17:02.000 Very upset that this YouTuber who's fought Tommy Fury, who's a legit boxer, and a couple other guys that were legit boxers.

01:17:10.000 That's it.

01:17:11.000 Like everyone else he's fought.

01:17:12.000 He's fought Ben Askren, who's really a wrestler.

01:17:15.000 He fought Tyron Woodley, who was an elite MMA fighter, but not an elite boxer.

01:17:20.000 He fought Nate Robinson, who was a basketball player.

01:17:23.000 He's fought these guys.

01:17:24.000 He fought Anderson Silva and he dropped Anderson Silva and Anderson Silva's a really good striker, but also in his 40s, different time.

01:17:31.000 It's not the same guy he used to be.

01:17:35.000 This is a 34-year-old Anthony Joshua.

01:17:37.000 This is a terrifying human being.

01:17:39.000 Terrifying.

01:17:40.000 Again, a guy who survived Usuk twice.

01:17:43.000 You saw what Usuk did to Dubois?

01:17:45.000 You see Usik take out Dubois?

01:17:47.000 Did you see that?

01:17:48.000 I mean, that's the Usik you're talking about. 0.99

01:17:49.000 There's an Usik that rocked Tyson Fury, who's fucking 6'9.

01:17:55.000 Jake Paul's 6'1.

01:17:57.000 This is 6'6, Anthony Joshua.

01:17:59.000 Jake weighed in for the Tyson fight at 199 against 252.

01:18:05.000 6'6.

01:18:06.000 Just not just 6'6, but 6'6 and knows how to use every fucking inch of it.

01:18:12.000 Knows how to keep that stick in your face.

01:18:15.000 He'll keep that jab in his face.

01:18:16.000 And that right hand, if it hits you, you're fucked. 0.91

01:18:20.000 And he's not worried about you the way he's worried about Usuk.

01:18:24.000 You can't move like Usik. 1.00

01:18:26.000 You can't constantly be frustrating and overloading his nervous system.

01:18:30.000 Usik is overloading every aspect of your senses at every moment. 1.00

01:18:35.000 He's constantly moving, and then punches are coming, and he loops punches around your guard, and he's constantly shifting his feet, and you think he's going to be there, and he's over here.

01:18:44.000 And it's like this overload of thinking.

01:18:47.000 It's not a casual, relaxed fight where you can kind of move around and get your groove, and he's going to stay on the outside, and you're going to, no, it's just constant.

01:18:56.000 He survived that guy twice.

01:18:58.000 He survived, in my opinion, the most skillful heavyweight of all time.

01:19:02.000 Twice.

01:19:03.000 And you're going to go boxing?

01:19:05.000 And the toughest guy you fought before was 40 years old, Anderson Silva?

01:19:09.000 Those are the toughest guys so far you fought?

01:19:11.000 You've lost to Tommy Fury, who's a very good boxer, but this is a giant Olympic gold medalist heavyweight.

01:19:19.000 I mean, Anthony Joshua is fucking nightmares are made of.

01:19:22.000 And he's got that one-punch nuclear power, one punch, and he's fast.

01:19:28.000 It's an explosive.

01:19:29.000 There's certain guys that like in kickboxing couldn't translate over to MMA because they didn't have the kind of speed.

01:19:38.000 Like Peter Ertz is a good example.

01:19:40.000 He was a world-class kickboxer, one of the best of all time, but didn't have the style that would allow him to trend.

01:19:47.000 But then there was Mirko Krokop.

01:19:49.000 Mirko Krokop, who was violently explosive, perfectly transitioned to MMA.

01:19:55.000 Because you got to be able to hit people quick.

01:19:57.000 It was like a big part of it is speed.

01:19:59.000 Anthony Joshua has that kind of speed.

01:20:02.000 That is kind of 252 pounds.

01:20:05.000 If you don't have the skill to get away from that kind of power, what happens is Francis Ngato and Anthony Joshua.

01:20:12.000 You have to be a very, you can't judge that guy based on Dubois, who's a fucking murderer.

01:20:17.000 Daniel Dubois is a tank.

01:20:19.000 And he took out Joshua, but that guy's fucking terrifying.

01:20:22.000 You're staring in front of that guy, but Usuk didn't stand in front of him.

01:20:25.000 Usik moved all over the place. 0.81

01:20:27.000 Joshua's, and he's going to have a lot to prove.

01:20:30.000 He's going to be very angry.

01:20:32.000 Do you think they'll let everybody take the brakes off because there's all rumors about Tyson versus Jake that both of them were sort of pulling punches and not fully letting it go?

01:20:41.000 I think that's a different deal.

01:20:44.000 Do you think there was something probably just below the table?

01:20:46.000 I do not know.

01:20:47.000 I do not know if it was said.

01:20:49.000 I do not know if it was understood.

01:20:51.000 I do not know.

01:20:52.000 What a professional opinion based on what you saw, do you think that the people were holding back?

01:20:56.000 It definitely looked like sparring.

01:20:59.000 But it could be that he didn't want to hurt Mike Tyson because Mike Tyson's 58 years old.

01:21:04.000 Or it could be that Mike Tyson didn't want to hurt him because he likes him.

01:21:07.000 I don't fucking know.

01:21:09.000 But it wasn't what I was tuning in for.

01:21:12.000 It was not for me.

01:21:13.000 I went to it live.

01:21:13.000 I was there.

01:21:14.000 I was tuning in for Mike Tyson coming full 1988 Mike Tyson, full chaos.

01:21:19.000 That's what I was hoping for.

01:21:21.000 We walked out like that.

01:21:22.000 It looked like it.

01:21:23.000 Yeah, but that's what everybody signed up for.

01:21:25.000 So they got us.

01:21:26.000 And do you think that...

01:21:26.000 Whatever.

01:21:28.000 I don't think this is that.

01:21:28.000 This is different.

01:21:30.000 I don't think this is that at all.

01:21:31.000 First of all, it can't be that because Joshua is still competitive in the heavyweight division.

01:21:35.000 And he's only doing this for money.

01:21:37.000 Like, he's still set up for world title fights.

01:21:40.000 After he knocked out Ngano, you could still set him at like Joseph Parker just lost.

01:21:44.000 You could set him up with Joseph Parker.

01:21:45.000 You could have a year ago.

01:21:47.000 He could fight Deontay Wilder.

01:21:49.000 You're saying that the lineage and the trajectory that Anthony Joshua is on, if he happens to go a little bit too gentle and lose by decision to Jake Paul, it doesn't exactly look great for his future heavyweight children.

01:21:59.000 It fucks up all of his marketing.

01:22:00.000 Wow.

01:22:01.000 So that's a really so what we were saying.

01:22:03.000 The Ngano fight is a godsend to him, right?

01:22:05.000 The Ngano fight is like, hey, boxing's back.

01:22:07.000 This guy knocked down Tyson Fury.

01:22:09.000 This is how it was supposed to go.

01:22:11.000 Anthony Joshua, you carried the torch for the boxing community.

01:22:13.000 Because I know a lot of like straight-up boxers, and they absolutely felt that way.

01:22:18.000 Like, this is what needed to happen.

01:22:20.000 These guys can't come over from MMA and think they can box the best.

01:22:23.000 Yeah, you need to put them in their place.

01:22:25.000 What's great there, and it loops back to what we were talking about before, is incentives.

01:22:29.000 Incentives align the incentives.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 Like if you've got Joshua's, I mean, this is five.

01:22:34.000 However, I should.

01:22:36.000 Caveat.

01:22:37.000 Yeah.

01:22:37.000 Here's the caveat.

01:22:38.000 This might earn him $200 million.

01:22:42.000 So if it earns him so much money.

01:22:44.000 Joshua or Jake Paul?

01:22:46.000 Joshua.

01:22:47.000 Like, either one.

01:22:48.000 How much money is that?

01:22:49.000 $100 million?

01:22:50.000 Oh, dude.

01:22:51.000 This is a Saudi organization, right?

01:22:53.000 This is Riyadh Season, isn't this? 0.95

01:22:55.000 That was putting this on?

01:22:57.000 Probably.

01:22:57.000 They seem to visit everything.

01:22:58.000 I think they own me now.

01:22:59.000 And you and Jamie and Carl.

01:23:01.000 This is Netflix, right?

01:23:02.000 Right.

01:23:03.000 This is going to be on Netflix.

01:23:04.000 Okay.

01:23:05.000 So I don't know.

01:23:05.000 Maybe it's not.

01:23:06.000 Maybe Riyadh Season is not involved.

01:23:08.000 But the money they threw Canelo Alvarez to get him to find Terence Crawford, they're throwing insane money.

01:23:15.000 They're throwing nutty sums of cash at people to make amazing fights happen.

01:23:20.000 Like, this has always been the hiccup in boxing, is that people don't want to fight certain people because they want to protect their record.

01:23:26.000 The Saudis are like, how much? 1.00

01:23:28.000 Everybody's got a price.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, everyone's got a price.

01:23:29.000 We've got the balance card to pay it.

01:23:31.000 So here it is.

01:23:32.000 The reported total prize per Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua is $184 million with an even split expected, meaning each fighter will earn approximately $92 million.

01:23:44.000 Some reports initially suggest a different figure.

01:23:46.000 $184 is the most frequently cited total from sources like Daily Mail and Wikipedia.

01:23:52.000 Okay, that doesn't mean anything.

01:23:54.000 Some have also mentioned Jake Paul's cryptic $267 million tweet, which may have fueled rumors.

01:24:00.000 Listen, it really depends on who's setting it up.

01:24:04.000 Netflix doesn't have to tell you how much they're paying.

01:24:07.000 But the thing about Anthony Joshua, if he loses this, so let's say he's only getting the $92 million, which I bet he's getting more.

01:24:14.000 Let's say he's getting $92 million.

01:24:16.000 If he loses this fight, he misses out on that Saudi money because they could set up a Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua fight, and each one of them gets $200 million.

01:24:28.000 You could do a fight like that.

01:24:29.000 The Saudis can do a fight like that. 0.99

01:24:31.000 They can do a fight.

01:24:32.000 They have enough resources to throw at boxing where they could change the entire landscape of boxing.

01:24:39.000 If you were the guy that stands in between 6'6, 250-pound Anthony Joshua and $200 million.

01:24:46.000 Yeah.

01:24:47.000 I'm sorry.

01:24:48.000 I'm sorry.

01:24:49.000 I don't think he's going to lose you on purpose.

01:24:51.000 I don't want to be that guy.

01:24:53.000 But I'm not saying that anybody lost to anybody on purpose.

01:24:55.000 I don't think that's happened.

01:24:57.000 But what I do think is that people take it easier on people if they like them, and it looked like they were taking it easier on each other than you would expect.

01:25:06.000 I'll just say that.

01:25:07.000 That's just my personal opinion.

01:25:09.000 I don't think that's going to happen with this fight.

01:25:11.000 I don't think there's any chance in the world.

01:25:13.000 Knowing what Anthony Joshua is a specialist at, he's a specialist at putting knuckles through your fucking brain, you know, and that's what he's going to try to do to Jake Paul.

01:25:22.000 And anything other than that, from a 34-year-old Anthony Joshua, will make us all think it's a fixed fight.

01:25:29.000 Whether or not Joshua can do it, whether or not, I mean, Jake Paul shocks the world and shows us that he really does know how to box really well and moves really good and uses his jab and blows us all away with a strategy and a lot of footwork and movement and brings Usuk into his camp or Lomachenko's dad, even better, who's the guy who trained Usik.

01:25:50.000 He trained Usik as well.

01:25:51.000 Lomachenko's father.

01:25:53.000 That's why they both are the best moving fighters in this generation by far.

01:25:57.000 By far.

01:25:58.000 They're in a group of the greatest of all time, like Willie Pep and Purnell Whitaker.

01:26:02.000 There's like a group of defensive wizards that exist today that they're in that group.

01:26:07.000 And two of them that exist in that group are trained by the same guy, Lomachenko and Usuk.

01:26:15.000 I don't want to be Jake Paul.

01:26:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:26:16.000 Yeah, fucking that.

01:26:17.000 I know that.

01:26:17.000 I do not want to be.

01:26:19.000 What better way to show the world you're legit?

01:26:21.000 Go get knocked out by Olympic gold medalists, former world heavyweight champions, six foot six, 250 pounds.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:28.000 Show the world you're in to win it.

01:26:30.000 You're definitely not fucking about.

01:26:31.000 I had this guy in my podcast, Bugsy Malone.

01:26:33.000 So he's a British grime artist.

01:26:36.000 And he had this hole.

01:26:37.000 What's a grime artist?

01:26:38.000 Like drill rap.

01:26:39.000 Like British rap.

01:26:40.000 Oh, okay.

01:26:41.000 Did you know what that means?

01:26:42.000 You did?

01:26:44.000 Keep up with the times.

01:26:45.000 I can't.

01:26:45.000 It's too late.

01:26:46.000 I missed it.

01:26:47.000 I missed everything.

01:26:48.000 He grows up in the north of the UK in gangs, Manchester, and he's in juvenile detention as a teenager.

01:26:56.000 He gets stabbed with a screwdriver, like rough stuff, rough northern stuff.

01:27:00.000 But some part of his upbringing just sort of really compels him to try and bring himself out of this situation.

01:27:07.000 starts making music, gets super successful, does this fire in the booth with Charlie Sloth that gets like 35 million plays.

01:27:13.000 And he starts boxing.

01:27:14.000 Boxing is like one of his salvages.

01:27:17.000 It's one of his safe havens.

01:27:18.000 And it's the thing, one of the things that's kept him very disciplined throughout his whole life.

01:27:22.000 So he starts accumulating some money and he buys a nice house in Manchester, very, very nice house.

01:27:27.000 And the local kids nearby sort of starting to take a little bit of notice.

01:27:31.000 Maybe they know who he is as an artist.

01:27:33.000 And word starts to get around that he's living there.

01:27:35.000 And there'd been some concerns, some security concerns for a little while.

01:27:40.000 And he gets a phone call from his girlfriend at the time.

01:27:43.000 She says, there's some men here.

01:27:45.000 They're trying to break in and they're in a van.

01:27:47.000 And as she's on the phone, he hears the glass shatter of this house.

01:27:51.000 And his mum's in the house.

01:27:52.000 And his girlfriend at the time is in the house.

01:27:54.000 He's driving around.

01:27:55.000 He's got his sister in the car.

01:27:56.000 So he drives back in the car.

01:27:58.000 This is a guy who's world famous as a rapper, right?

01:28:01.000 This would be like happening to like the British 50 Cent or the British Jay-Z or P. Diddy or something like that.

01:28:06.000 Drives back, getting down the driveway toward this house.

01:28:09.000 There's a blockade.

01:28:10.000 There's boulders that have been laid out in front.

01:28:12.000 So he knows that there's going to be an ambush of some kind.

01:28:14.000 And he sees this guy in the bushes on the right with a brick.

01:28:17.000 This guy's hiding in the bushes, waiting.

01:28:19.000 And he thinks he's going to throw it through the window, but he doesn't.

01:28:21.000 He wants to hit him with the brick.

01:28:22.000 So Bugsy stops the car, opens the door, and immediately he's massively into Jordan Peterson, personal development, self-growth.

01:28:29.000 It's like an odd blend of rough upbringing, self-discipline, and sort of transcendent personal growth.

01:28:35.000 And he gets out of the car and points at the guy and he goes, no way is that you.

01:28:38.000 Is that a blue t-shirt?

01:28:40.000 And the guy's like, and as he's doing it, because he's been training so much, he's coming toward him, distracting him.

01:28:45.000 The same way as I go, what's on that t-shirt there?

01:28:47.000 Immediately you go, and before he knew it, Bugsy's hit him, spun him around, brick's fallen out of his hand because this guy hasn't set his feet in time.

01:28:54.000 It's a problem of having a big weapon.

01:28:56.000 Bugsy said, like, you need to set yourself and you need to be able to throw it.

01:28:59.000 Like, it's good because it can hurt someone, but it's slow and it's cumbersome and you can't move as fast.

01:29:03.000 And he's training every day, every single day, no matter whether he's rapping, he's on tour, he's training and he's boxing and he's fighting and he's sharp and he knows his distance.

01:29:11.000 Hits this guy, they have a scrap.

01:29:12.000 Bugsy wins, moves the stuff out of the way, gets back in the car, drives in.

01:29:17.000 Jamie, can you just CCTV search search Bugsy Malone CC TV?

01:29:22.000 So there's footage from his house of when he pulls up in the Mercedes.

01:29:27.000 And so go back, back a little bit.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, just to the start.

01:29:34.000 So this is him pulling in in his car, having just beaten someone up.

01:29:39.000 This is a van filled with guys.

01:29:40.000 Gets out of the car, pulls his top off, and then sprints to go and get the rest of the guys that are waiting outside.

01:29:50.000 That is not the behavior of a dude who gives a single fuck.

01:29:55.000 This is the British Jay-Z ripping his top off and then sprinting out to try and chase people away.

01:30:00.000 And the real kicker of it, there was like tons of guys, not in that van, but in some other van behind.

01:30:04.000 The real kicker was the dudes that he fought, they pressed charges.

01:30:09.000 They pressed charges against him.

01:30:11.000 Because he's rich.

01:30:13.000 They press charges because he fucked him up.

01:30:17.000 And then at the...

01:30:19.000 Oh, they press charges.

01:30:21.000 They pressed charges.

01:30:22.000 Did they actually wind up going to court over this?

01:30:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:26.000 No.

01:30:26.000 Went to court.

01:30:27.000 And this is, it was so brilliant.

01:30:29.000 He told this story to me.

01:30:30.000 And he said, it was the middle of COVID, and people weren't sure whether venues were going to be open.

01:30:35.000 And he had this tour.

01:30:36.000 This tour was going on, but it wasn't selling as well.

01:30:39.000 No tours were selling as well as he would have liked.

01:30:41.000 So he spoke to his lawyer before his lawyer went to go and do the not guilty verdict.

01:30:46.000 And they had two statements that were ready.

01:30:48.000 He came out.

01:30:48.000 He said, very pleased to say that Aaron Davies has been acquitted today.

01:30:53.000 He's not been found guilty.

01:30:55.000 he is now getting back to, preparing for his upcoming tour and tickets are available now and he's he used he used his his His lawyer did a mid-roll ad read for his tour as part of his not guilty verdict, having just beaten up like a van filled with blokes, one of whom looked like a plumber.

01:31:15.000 It was your plumber comment that got me thinking about it.

01:31:17.000 Like just some white belt that decides, you know, some guy that thinks he's a bit hard, like he's had a little bit of a throw, and this guy's training every single day, sharpening his skills, and he's been doing it since he was a kid. 0.68

01:31:26.000 That's hilarious.

01:31:27.000 He's dangerous and he's nasty.

01:31:28.000 It's wonderful when a story like that works out.

01:31:30.000 In America, people have guns.

01:31:33.000 It's a different sport.

01:31:35.000 Have you looked at appropriate force in the UK?

01:31:37.000 Do you know what that is?

01:31:38.000 The use of appropriate force?

01:31:41.000 There's a lot of that in America as well.

01:31:43.000 Okay.

01:31:43.000 Depending state by state.

01:31:45.000 They have different standards that different states impose.

01:31:49.000 Like Florida, stand your ground.

01:31:50.000 Florida, you just get away with killing people.

01:31:54.000 California, it's very different.

01:31:56.000 They were actually trying to pass a thing in California saying it's your obligation to leave your house if someone breaks into it.

01:32:01.000 I don't know if it's a huge house.

01:32:02.000 It's their house.

01:32:04.000 It's your obligation to not shoot them, that you can't harm them because they're just trying to steal something.

01:32:10.000 They're not trying to harm you.

01:32:12.000 Like the assumption should be that they're not trying to harm you.

01:32:14.000 Exactly.

01:32:15.000 I've had this conversation with people on the podcast, actually with Tommy Chong.

01:32:19.000 It was a mind-numbing conversation.

01:32:22.000 That you should not think of this person as trying to attack you, that their life is not less valuable than yours.

01:32:31.000 It's just as valuable as your life.

01:32:33.000 You shouldn't take their lives.

01:32:34.000 Despite the fact that they're on your property.

01:32:35.000 Despite the fact that...

01:32:37.000 Despite the fact...

01:32:38.000 I can't talk.

01:32:39.000 Despite the fact rather that historically, a lot of people have broken into people's houses and killed them.

01:32:43.000 It's happened over and over and over again.

01:32:45.000 You're just assuming that this time is going to be different because they just want your watch or whatever.

01:32:49.000 Like, fuck off.

01:32:50.000 Like, that's a dumb way to live.

01:32:52.000 Like, you have to be able to protect yourself.

01:32:54.000 There's crazy people.

01:32:55.000 That's a real thing.

01:32:56.000 Yeah, I think the appropriate force thing becomes interesting in the UK where you don't have as many guns because there's more levels of weapon in between nothing, just hands.

01:33:08.000 Baseball battles.

01:33:09.000 This guy's going to bring a sword.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, this guy's got to brick, so you're allowed to brick.

01:33:12.000 But if you bring a gun to a knife fight, that's not appropriate force.

01:33:17.000 Oh.

01:33:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:18.000 He had a knife.

01:33:19.000 Yes.

01:33:19.000 You cheated.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:33:21.000 I don't know.

01:33:21.000 Oh, God.

01:33:22.000 It's very gentlemanly.

01:33:23.000 Oh, God.

01:33:25.000 So stupid.

01:33:26.000 Well, the UK's got some odd archaic laws.

01:33:31.000 Like, the distance between the front benches in the House of Commons is the same as two broadswords held out at arm's length.

01:33:39.000 Which is just so funny.

01:33:41.000 Well, that's also why you guys drive on the other side of the road, right?

01:33:44.000 Why?

01:33:45.000 I think you drive on the left side of the road so you can use your right arm to slash each other.

01:33:49.000 Yeah, I believe that's what it is.

01:33:49.000 No way.

01:33:51.000 What, in case you were jousting in a vehicle.

01:33:54.000 Someone, if you're on a horse or if you're in a car, someone's you want to be able to get them on that side.

01:33:59.000 That's a strong side.

01:34:02.000 Someone told me that when I was over there.

01:34:03.000 I hope I'm not incorrect.

01:34:05.000 I like it in the story.

01:34:06.000 Whether it's right or wrong, I don't care.

01:34:08.000 There's a reason that women's shirts button from the left and not the right. 1.00

01:34:11.000 If you ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie on instead, it goes in the middle ages.

01:34:17.000 You knew you were going to meet when traveling on horseback.

01:34:19.000 Most people are right handed.

01:34:20.000 So if a stranger passed the right of you, your right-hand would be free to use your sword if required.

01:34:25.000 That's why you guys do it with your cars.

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:26.000 Well, this is the problem.

01:34:27.000 If you don't have a medieval country like ours, you end up driving on the other side of the road. 0.85

01:34:32.000 But yeah, so women's shirts, if you've ever accidentally put your wife's hoodie on or something, zipped it up, women's shirts button from the other side. 0.52

01:34:40.000 They button from the left, not the right.

01:34:43.000 The reason for that is that when buttons were first introduced in the 1700s, they were mostly for the aristocracy, and the aristocratic women were dressed by mostly right-handed servants.

01:34:54.000 Whoa.

01:34:55.000 So they dressed them this way.

01:34:56.000 So the women's shirts, button... 1.00

01:34:59.000 Still to this day?

01:35:00.000 Same thing.

01:35:01.000 Dude, I promise you now.

01:35:02.000 Anybody that's watching, any guy that's watching, go and put your wife's shirt on. 0.77

01:35:05.000 Go and put your wife's shirt on and see, it doesn't fold that way. 1.00

01:35:05.000 This is how it begins. 1.00

01:35:09.000 It folds the other way.

01:35:10.000 That's cool.

01:35:11.000 And you have to push the buttons through with your left hand.

01:35:14.000 How fucking cool is that?

01:35:15.000 That's crazy.

01:35:16.000 And it's the same with hoodies.

01:35:17.000 You know, we zip our hoodies with our right hand.

01:35:19.000 Girls zip their hoodies with their left hand. 1.00

01:35:21.000 Oh, wow.

01:35:24.000 So fucking cool.

01:35:27.000 One other element is the gentleman of the days.

01:35:31.000 They would have a sword on the left hip drawn by the right hand.

01:35:34.000 The way that our shirts are put together at the moment, it can't get caught in the folds because the left fold is over the top of the right.

01:35:42.000 So as you draw it, there's no chance that the hilt would get caught.

01:35:45.000 So if you're a left-handed person, you have to wear women's clothes. 1.00

01:35:48.000 That might actually explain more than you think.

01:35:51.000 Probably.

01:35:53.000 So this is an example of path dependency.

01:35:56.000 So what you're talking about, like some shit from the past that influences the future.

01:36:00.000 QWERTY keyboards.

01:36:01.000 Right.

01:36:02.000 Yeah, I know that one.

01:36:02.000 Same thing.

01:36:03.000 Typewriters.

01:36:04.000 Yeah.

01:36:05.000 So it was made to be inefficient to slow people down.

01:36:08.000 And if you take a normal typer from a QWERTY keyboard and put them on some other formulation that's allowed, they're like 50 to 70% faster.

01:36:16.000 So we're still using a designed to be inefficient keyboard because if you type too quickly on a typewriter and you use letters that are close together, the typewriter jams.

01:36:27.000 So the letters that were used most frequently were put out onto the edges and it wasn't, it was less often that you were going to put two next to each other so they wouldn't jam.

01:36:34.000 I don't know a single person who switched to a different type of keyboard.

01:36:37.000 Do you?

01:36:38.000 No one.

01:36:38.000 No.

01:36:39.000 But Lex Friedman's got some like weird super noise.

01:36:42.000 Oh, but his is just separated.

01:36:44.000 He's just got to separate it.

01:36:45.000 It's still quirky.

01:36:46.000 Like this.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, that's kind of interesting, but that's not the point.

01:36:52.000 The point is the layout of the keys in a regular keyboard.

01:36:54.000 There's other layouts.

01:36:56.000 So it's not just QWERTY's unavailable.

01:36:58.000 You could actually buy keyboards that have the most efficient layout.

01:37:01.000 I forget what the name of it is.

01:37:03.000 I think it might be the dactyl thing.

01:37:04.000 Hot swap dactyl.

01:37:05.000 I think that's it.

01:37:06.000 I think that's it.

01:37:06.000 At the very top.

01:37:08.000 See, we're pointing.

01:37:09.000 I think.

01:37:09.000 Up and right.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 Hot swap dactyl.

01:37:11.000 Yeah.

01:37:13.000 That's just for sale, though.

01:37:13.000 Maybe.

01:37:16.000 It's still a quirty keyboard.

01:37:17.000 It's still QWERTY.

01:37:18.000 I can't get away from it.

01:37:19.000 So there's other layouts.

01:37:21.000 If you could search what styles of key, what is the most efficient layout of keys for typing speed?

01:37:28.000 That's what I did.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 That's what I asked.

01:37:31.000 What's coming up?

01:37:32.000 This shit is way faster than typing.

01:37:34.000 Okay.

01:37:35.000 Yeah, right, right, right.

01:37:36.000 But that's a different, that's a different thing.

01:37:39.000 That's the fastest keyboard for typing.

01:37:42.000 Yeah.

01:37:43.000 You can type.

01:37:44.000 Well, let's look at that for a second.

01:37:46.000 You haven't seen this before?

01:37:46.000 No.

01:37:47.000 Yeah, it's like the directions they'll show you on a demo.

01:37:51.000 Wow.

01:37:52.000 Car recorder.

01:37:54.000 And each one of those is a letter.

01:37:54.000 This is crazy.

01:37:56.000 And some of them, you can, like, make words real fast.

01:38:00.000 Oh.

01:38:05.000 So this is a, what we're talking about right here is a totally different device than a keyboard.

01:38:09.000 But.

01:38:10.000 But what I mean is there's another keyboard layout that super nerds use.

01:38:14.000 Of course, it doesn't matter.

01:38:15.000 Like a tiny amount.

01:38:16.000 Like the kind of people that have like they have those Google phones that don't connect to the servers.

01:38:23.000 You know?

01:38:23.000 Didn't Eric Prince make those?

01:38:25.000 No, it's a different one.

01:38:26.000 He's got his own.

01:38:28.000 Yeah, just that path dependency thing, like shit from the past that's still influencing us now.

01:38:32.000 While your shirt is going in the other direction.

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:35.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:38:36.000 So here it is.

01:38:37.000 It's a new class of peripheral device that allows ordinary people to type at the speed of thought.

01:38:43.000 Whoa.

01:38:46.000 Everything your keyboard can, and much more.

01:38:50.000 Whether you're coding, gaming, designing, or just typing, whatever you do, do it at the speed of thought.

01:38:57.000 Hmm.

01:38:58.000 I wonder how much of a learning curve there is to figuring out how to type with that thing because it looks pretty dope.

01:39:06.000 Ooh, they have different ones.

01:39:07.000 Scroll up to that image at the top.

01:39:09.000 That's a different one.

01:39:11.000 I think it's the same.

01:39:12.000 It's just...

01:39:12.000 But shape different.

01:39:14.000 Yeah, just like made out of metal.

01:39:15.000 Right, but it's a different shape.

01:39:17.000 You probably put your hand.

01:39:18.000 Well, maybe.

01:39:19.000 Put your hands on it the same way.

01:39:20.000 It's very different.

01:39:21.000 The other one was curved.

01:39:22.000 The problem that you have is...

01:39:23.000 Is this the new one?

01:39:24.000 The forge, the master forge.

01:39:26.000 Let me see what you got here.

01:39:28.000 It's not showing any way to use it.

01:39:29.000 That's how I was trying to find a good idea using it to show you how they type words really fast.

01:39:33.000 I think it's a matter of time before you're typing with your brain anyway.

01:39:37.000 I think this is like learning to code.

01:39:39.000 Yeah, well, I think about this with prompt engineering.

01:39:42.000 Like, if AI gets progressively better and better, the idea of being a prompt engineer, I understand how to get the AI to do what I want, is a job that only shortly after it becomes a job might be made completely obsolete.

01:39:56.000 100%.

01:39:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, that's not going to work.

01:40:00.000 That's like opening up a blockbuster video in 1999.

01:40:04.000 It's like, it's too, you don't, they have so little time.

01:40:07.000 Well, the problem that you have with the quotient keyboard thing is it's a coordination problem.

01:40:11.000 Like, if you want to borrow your friend's laptop, unless everybody decides, we're going to switch to the better type of keyboard and we're going to do it now.

01:40:18.000 Oh, here he goes.

01:40:18.000 There you go.

01:40:19.000 He's moving.

01:40:19.000 He's typing it right there.

01:40:20.000 He's typing these words as he's looking at the screen.

01:40:23.000 How's he doing that?

01:40:23.000 Holy shit.

01:40:24.000 That guy's a fucking job. 0.66

01:40:25.000 Sometimes it's 300 words a minute, I think.

01:40:30.000 But here's the question.

01:40:31.000 Like, how do you learn?

01:40:33.000 Do you have to play a game?

01:40:34.000 Do you ever do that?

01:40:34.000 Like Mavis Bacon's typing?

01:40:37.000 No, it wasn't.

01:40:37.000 Do that?

01:40:38.000 It's a game you play.

01:40:38.000 It's fun.

01:40:39.000 It teaches you how to type.

01:40:41.000 Teaches you how to type it.

01:40:43.000 Yeah, you type things that they tell you to type.

01:40:45.000 They time you like a race.

01:40:46.000 It's like fun.

01:40:47.000 So he's like hitting all these letters at once, I think with his fingers.

01:40:51.000 You can see them popping up, and then it creates the word.

01:40:54.000 I think it's a little bit of a mixture of like, do you remember the T9 typing you could do on your phone?

01:40:58.000 Yeah.

01:40:59.000 And you could hit four numbers and you know what word it would be.

01:41:02.000 And if it wasn't that word, you'd hit next like three times.

01:41:05.000 Could you get really good at that?

01:41:06.000 I think it's a little predictive.

01:41:08.000 Could you rewind that again so I could see him doing that?

01:41:11.000 Can you give me some volume so I could hear what he's saying?

01:41:14.000 There's no question that typing sentences at over 200 words per minute is extremely satisfying, but does typing fast actually transfer to productivity in the real world?

01:41:25.000 That's the question we'll be answering together in today's video.

01:41:29.000 Does typing speed really matter?

01:41:32.000 That's nuts.

01:41:33.000 Wow.

01:41:34.000 He just did that.

01:41:36.000 And he made but large.

01:41:36.000 Wow.

01:41:39.000 Yep.

01:41:40.000 Like, he made it all caps.

01:41:42.000 I suppose this is kind of...

01:41:44.000 I need to know if that dude's Rain Man.

01:41:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:41:46.000 I need to ask him some questions about math.

01:41:49.000 Yeah, it's mad to think how quickly we can think and how slowly we can communicate that to other people, even with speech.

01:41:57.000 Can you just please search, is there a more efficient key layout than QWERTY?

01:42:03.000 Because that's what I'm looking for.

01:42:05.000 Because I know there is.

01:42:06.000 Because I remember I went down a rabbit hole with this and I was really thinking about trying it.

01:42:11.000 And then I was like, God, what are you doing?

01:42:12.000 You'd have to change your phone.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, and it wasn't phone days.

01:42:16.000 This was way before phone days.

01:42:17.000 This was the days of just typing more efficient keyboard layout than Query.

01:42:22.000 That's it.

01:42:23.000 Dvorak.

01:42:24.000 Puts about 65 to 70 cent of keystrokes in the home row versus roughly 30 on QWERTY.

01:42:24.000 That's it.

01:42:31.000 So fingers move much less.

01:42:33.000 So now that we know that, can you search for images of Dvorak keyboard?

01:42:40.000 So that's what the keys look like right there.

01:42:42.000 Oh, that's it right there.

01:42:44.000 See how different that is?

01:42:46.000 Wow.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, very different.

01:42:48.000 How long do you reckon it would take you to write out a short email?

01:42:51.000 It would take forever.

01:42:52.000 My stupid fingers would go right back to where they always go.

01:42:56.000 You know, that was one of the things that I learned really early on from teaching martial arts.

01:43:01.000 I way would rather, I would way rather teach someone who didn't know anything than teach someone who learned things wrong.

01:43:09.000 Because someone who learned things wrong, it's very difficult to correct their technique.

01:43:13.000 They have a mode in their mind that they shift to when they're panicky or when they're being pressured.

01:43:19.000 They always go back to the bad technique.

01:43:21.000 Always.

01:43:22.000 It's very hard to get someone to learn technique correctly when they know it incorrectly.

01:43:27.000 You got to re-teach them everything.

01:43:30.000 You see it with pool.

01:43:31.000 There's certain tendencies that people have with their arm being out.

01:43:34.000 A lot of people just accept the bad relationship between your elbow and your, as long as it's consistent.

01:43:40.000 Even though it's more inefficient, it's going to add extra English to the ball and spin and all these different things and probably make you less accurate.

01:43:47.000 Maybe better that than try to make your arm drop down and hang 90% because it'll feel so alien.

01:43:53.000 But that's way less than in martial arts.

01:43:56.000 In martial arts, like, God, if you learn how to throw a sidekick with your knee down versus your knee up, it's so hard to do it the other way.

01:44:06.000 When you're being pressured, you're always going to do it the wrong way and you're not going to have the correct amount of power.

01:44:12.000 And those tendencies that are burned into you, I've been typing for 30 fucking years.

01:44:19.000 Like they are, I don't have to look at a keyboard.

01:44:21.000 I can just talk to you and I can type and I'm not really good, but I'm good enough.

01:44:26.000 I don't look at the keys.

01:44:28.000 Like I don't have to peck.

01:44:29.000 Like I used to go, it used to drive me crazy watching videos of Hunter Thompson who never learned how to type.

01:44:33.000 He would type like this.

01:44:35.000 He would type with like one finger at a time, poke and peck.

01:44:37.000 I'm like, dude, it would take so little time for you to just put your fucking fingers there and learn how to do that right.

01:44:43.000 He never did.

01:44:44.000 He poked and pecked his way to some of the greatest fucking books ever.

01:44:47.000 maybe that was a performance enhancer but yeah i uh well he was poking and packing when he was on coke That's true.

01:44:53.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 It's probably for the best that you didn't type more quickly.

01:44:56.000 Imagine the crazy shit that would have come out of him in a minute.

01:44:58.000 Right.

01:44:59.000 Right.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 You ever seen him type?

01:45:02.000 It's so frustrating.

01:45:03.000 Can we see?

01:45:03.000 No.

01:45:04.000 Is it videos?

01:45:05.000 Yeah.

01:45:06.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:07.000 Find Hunter Thompson typing.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, you'll see it.

01:45:10.000 It's pokey pecky.

01:45:12.000 And Johnny Depp actually mimicked it really accurately in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

01:45:17.000 When he was sitting in front of the thing, like, pecking.

01:45:20.000 Yeah, like, doing his Hunter Thompson impression.

01:45:25.000 Pecking and poking.

01:45:26.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 Well, your brain can think at about 4,000 words a minute, and that's the same rate of fire as an M134 machine gun.

01:45:34.000 Wow.

01:45:36.000 So anything, even, and to your point of very soon I think that keyboards are going to be obsolete.

01:45:41.000 When you think about how much fucking fidelity and speed is lost with you going from brain to thumb.

01:45:48.000 I wonder what another type of keyboard is.

01:45:52.000 And you've got to think, okay, how do I convert this into words?

01:45:55.000 Where am I going to go?

01:45:56.000 Open the app, type the- oh crap man, fucking keyboard, keyboard. 0.95

01:46:00.000 Yes.

01:46:01.000 It is so slow compared with when we just get neuralinked up to each other.

01:46:06.000 Yeah, and I'm sure you've seen that demonstration where the two guys are sitting across from each other and they have the headsets on.

01:46:11.000 They're asking each other questions and answering the questions without using words.

01:46:15.000 No, I've not seen that.

01:46:15.000 You haven't seen that?

01:46:16.000 We'll show you that next.

01:46:16.000 All right.

01:46:17.000 Show you that.

01:46:18.000 What were we just looking up now?

01:46:20.000 I find pictures of him typing, but not video of him typing.

01:46:23.000 I'm thinking of it from the movie.

01:46:23.000 Oh, God.

01:46:24.000 Let me get in the bathroom. 0.95

01:46:25.000 Let me get the bathroom. 1.00

01:46:26.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:46:28.000 It's time to pee.

01:46:29.000 Where were we?

01:46:30.000 Somebody typing like a grandma. 0.87

01:46:32.000 Yeah, the Hunter Thompson thing.

01:46:34.000 You couldn't really find it.

01:46:35.000 I got Johnny Depp here.

01:46:36.000 You got Johnny Depp doing it?

01:46:37.000 Okay, this is how he typed.

01:46:38.000 This is a completely accurate.

01:46:40.000 This is a great video, by the way, if you listen to this.

01:46:43.000 It's an amazing piece.

01:46:45.000 You got to cut it out?

01:46:46.000 It never comes again.

01:46:47.000 I go to our YouTube.

01:46:48.000 Okay, we'll cut it out.

01:46:49.000 But that's it.

01:46:51.000 That's how he poked.

01:46:52.000 He poked and pecked like that.

01:46:53.000 So that's how Hunter Thompson used to type.

01:46:57.000 Out of his fucking bird, just poking.

01:47:01.000 Telepathic video, too.

01:47:02.000 Oh, you found that?

01:47:02.000 Okay.

01:47:04.000 Okay, this is the crazy one.

01:47:05.000 The telepathic thing is nuts because they have these headsets on.

01:47:08.000 These guys are laughing because they're asking each other questions and they're answering the questions.

01:47:12.000 And they hear the answer in their heads.

01:47:15.000 The other person hears the question and then they hear the answer.

01:47:19.000 So it's a new, I think, I don't know if it's a product or what, but it's called Alter Ego.

01:47:23.000 This is the same guy who developed that device where he could look things up without opening his mouth or talking and just sort of like mimicking the words in his.

01:47:34.000 We all have moments when inspiration.

01:47:37.000 I'll sort of skip past it so he's talking.

01:47:38.000 He's showing it on his own here.

01:47:41.000 The cool part is when he brings in someone else to talk to.

01:47:45.000 And this guy also has it.

01:47:48.000 So they're communicating.

01:47:50.000 Where do you want to get lunch after this?

01:47:51.000 Where do you want to get lunch after this?

01:47:51.000 He's saying.

01:47:54.000 For the demo, they hooked it up to audio so that the video could hear it.

01:48:00.000 Typhoon could be good.

01:48:02.000 So they're laughing because their words.

01:48:06.000 It could be a noisy environment.

01:48:08.000 So would they hear?

01:48:12.000 It could be a noisy environment or a quiet office.

01:48:14.000 Having a direct conversation is possible without saying a word.

01:48:18.000 The signals Alter Ego detects aren't affected by environmental noise.

01:48:22.000 So even if you're walking past a wind tunnel or a construction zone, what you want to say will always get across.

01:48:28.000 This is having infinite noise cancellation.

01:48:30.000 Exactly what people say happens when they encounter aliens.

01:48:35.000 Exactly.

01:48:36.000 Exactly.

01:48:37.000 Someone's talking in your head and you hear it.

01:48:42.000 So imagine this technology scaled out a thousand years, and they probably don't need the other person to have a headset anymore.

01:48:50.000 Would make for an interesting podcast.

01:48:53.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:48:54.000 And you could just tune in and nobody needs to actually listen to anything.

01:48:57.000 So where's the sound?

01:48:58.000 Are they hearing the sound in a set of headphones?

01:49:01.000 It's hard to not headphones.

01:49:02.000 No.

01:49:05.000 They know it, right?

01:49:07.000 They're not hearing it.

01:49:08.000 I don't know.

01:49:09.000 I understand how I don't understand by it.

01:49:11.000 Because if it was really loud, then you wouldn't be able to hear it.

01:49:13.000 So yeah, for the demo we just watched, they have hooked up to a speaker so you still we can hear what they're hearing.

01:49:18.000 But I think if anything, it's got to be some sort of jaw induction, but I don't know that for sure.

01:49:24.000 Well, there's weird earphones that you could put on that don't go in your ear.

01:49:27.000 They go behind your ear and they send the sound into your dome.

01:49:31.000 People use that for running, right?

01:49:32.000 So they can still hear the sound that's going on.

01:49:34.000 Fucking creeps hiding in the bushes.

01:49:37.000 So they can hear the creeps so they can get ready for them.

01:49:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:39.000 You know Cam Haynes, right?

01:49:40.000 My buddy Cam.

01:49:42.000 His brother almost got killed by a mountain lion.

01:49:45.000 Crazy story.

01:49:47.000 He put it on his Instagram the day, the next day.

01:49:51.000 Like he talked about the story, what happened.

01:49:53.000 He was running and there was a mountain lion in the bushes.

01:49:56.000 And at first he thought it was a coyote.

01:49:58.000 He just saw the eyes.

01:49:58.000 He yelled and then stood up and he realized it was a cat and it started running after him.

01:50:03.000 And he's running at night as in California.

01:50:06.000 And he kicked rocks at it.

01:50:07.000 He screamed at it.

01:50:09.000 And ultimately, there's some dogs barking and he thinks maybe the dogs barking scared the mountain lion off him.

01:50:15.000 But he said it was like, I couldn't have used his quote.

01:50:18.000 He said, I couldn't have used bear spray even if I had it because it would have got on me.

01:50:21.000 That's how close it was.

01:50:23.000 Said it was right there, like right on him.

01:50:25.000 So it was the most scary he's ever been in his life.

01:50:27.000 I've seen that video of the guy tracking backward as it's coming toward him.

01:50:32.000 It's coming swinging.

01:50:34.000 Hey, hey.

01:50:35.000 The only thing that gives me comfort about that video, if I was there, is like that thing just wants to scare me.

01:50:39.000 It's not trying to kill me.

01:50:41.000 That's a mother. 1.00

01:50:41.000 It wants to scare me. 1.00

01:50:42.000 It's trying to get you away from the cubs.

01:50:44.000 Because the way it's doing it, it's throwing its arms in the air in a very intimidating way.

01:50:48.000 If an animal is trying to kill you, it wouldn't do that.

01:50:51.000 They'd be running full clip at you and just dive on your neck. 1.00

01:50:54.000 That's the difference between a cat that wants to kill you and something that's trying to scare you off.

01:50:59.000 So he was the problem is you're backing up, right?

01:51:01.000 And the instincts of these predators.

01:51:05.000 Like if you throw a ball of yarn by a kitten, they dive on that ball of yarn.

01:51:08.000 They can't help themselves.

01:51:10.000 And that's the thing about you backing up or even you running.

01:51:13.000 It's like you're exciting their prey drive.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, they're going to keep tracking.

01:51:16.000 Right.

01:51:17.000 So they tell you to stand tall and be loud and make a lot of noise.

01:51:21.000 But there's a fine line between you being a threat and then them being scared off.

01:51:25.000 Like you being something they have to deal with, depending upon the distance between each other.

01:51:32.000 This thing makes so much sense.

01:51:34.000 Have you ever had any run-ins?

01:51:36.000 I have never had an encounter like that, but I did in the wild see an enormous mountain lion once, but fortunately it was from inside of a truck.

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:47.000 Me and my friend Colton, we were in Utah.

01:51:49.000 We were taking this turn and it was at dusk.

01:51:52.000 So the sun was setting, and he stops the truck and he goes, look at that cat.

01:51:57.000 And I go, where?

01:51:58.000 And we'll look over and I see the glowing eyes from the setting sun, the glowing eyes reflecting underneath this tree.

01:52:05.000 And it's got this pumpkin head, this big fucking, these mandible muscles that just crush things and these massive forearms.

01:52:15.000 And it's just sitting.

01:52:15.000 It's a big cat, man.

01:52:17.000 Like I've seen two other mountain lions before, but they were small.

01:52:21.000 They were like a dog-sized.

01:52:22.000 This thing was fucking big.

01:52:24.000 You reckon you'd be able to take a dog-sized mountain lion or are you still dead?

01:52:28.000 You're dead.

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:28.000 I mean, a cat-sized cat might fuck you up.

01:52:32.000 A house cat might fuck you up.

01:52:34.000 A bobcat might fuck you up.

01:52:35.000 A mountain lion will kill you. 0.99

01:52:37.000 You know, you'd have to be an extraordinary person with weapons to survive a mountain lion hand-to-hand fight.

01:52:44.000 You'd have to be an extraordinary person who's really fighting to survive.

01:52:47.000 And you don't panic at all.

01:52:50.000 You have to be willing to stay calm.

01:52:52.000 This thing's going to tear your arms apart.

01:52:54.000 It might tear your face apart.

01:52:55.000 What are the basic?

01:52:56.000 I mean, you must, you hunt all the time.

01:52:58.000 And you do, was it like end of September?

01:53:00.000 You went and did another big one last year.

01:53:03.000 You must have been given whatever the safety briefing that you have at the start of an air, like aircraft taking off is: hey, man, if you see a this, if you see a this, or if you see a this, these are the ways that you're supposed to behave.

01:53:15.000 No, we don't get any safety briefings.

01:53:17.000 But you must have learned it in the past, as a part of carry a gun.

01:53:21.000 Bring a gun with you.

01:53:22.000 Point at big scary things.

01:53:24.000 Even if you're bow hunting, carry a pistol, especially if you're in bear country.

01:53:28.000 If you're in bear country, you can't depend on this mist making their eyes hurt, keeping them off of you, because it might not work.

01:53:36.000 Or just run through it.

01:53:37.000 Yeah, there was a recent case in BC where a bear mauled 11 people and they used bear spray on it.

01:53:46.000 It didn't work.

01:53:47.000 It's real, I think it was a teacher protecting his students.

01:53:52.000 So shout out to that teacher. 1.00

01:53:53.000 He got fucked up.

01:53:55.000 But they tried bear spray.

01:53:56.000 Bear spray is not effective.

01:53:58.000 My friend John, who lives up in Alberta, he used bear spray on a grizzly once.

01:54:01.000 He said he walked right through it.

01:54:02.000 Like it was nothing.

01:54:03.000 Is bear spray basically like hardcore pepper spray?

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 It's like vicious pepper spray.

01:54:07.000 But you're just going to get a mad bear.

01:54:10.000 You know?

01:54:10.000 Why don't they make more hardcore bear spray then?

01:54:13.000 It's as hardcore as it gets without killing you.

01:54:15.000 Right.

01:54:15.000 You know, if it gets on you, if it's that knock it noxious.

01:54:19.000 It's just supposed to be a deterrent.

01:54:20.000 And sometimes it can work.

01:54:21.000 Like sometimes maybe they're just curious and you spray them and they're like, fuck this guy.

01:54:25.000 And they get out of there.

01:54:26.000 But maybe sometimes no, you know, because it's like tasing a guy.

01:54:31.000 You ever see a guy get tased and they just fucking run through it.

01:54:35.000 There's guys that have get tased and they just go stiff and they fall down.

01:54:39.000 And I've seen other guys get tased where they rip it right out of their arm.

01:54:42.000 Four people, including children, were hospitalized.

01:54:45.000 Teacher on crutches, second adult with a second adult with bear spray, and a third person who punched and kicked a grizzly despite serious injuries are being praised for their actions.

01:54:53.000 Saved a school group attacked by a bear near Bella Coola, British Columbia.

01:55:00.000 Four people, including the children, were hospitalized Thursday after a bear attack on students and teachers in the Nux Walk First Nation while out on a school trip near the...

01:55:12.000 Boy, I'm going to fuck this up.

01:55:13.000 Ack Walk. Ack Walk.

01:55:16.000 Akwalkta School East of the remote community.

01:55:20.000 Oh, so it was a very remote place.

01:55:22.000 Yeah.

01:55:23.000 Bear spray didn't do anything, man.

01:55:25.000 He said, look, nothing phased it, didn't do anything to the bear.

01:55:29.000 Two cans of spray in the eyes of the animal.

01:55:32.000 Look at that.

01:55:33.000 This said the teacher unloaded two cans of bear spray into the eyes of the animal, and it didn't do anything.

01:55:38.000 It blows my mind that people who have been through something that scary.

01:55:41.000 When the kids were getting attacked, one of my cousins who had his skull ripped ran towards the bear and jumped on it with his bare hands.

01:55:48.000 Holy shit.

01:55:49.000 It was pretty hardcore.

01:55:50.000 That's hard.

01:55:51.000 Well, that's primal life.

01:55:53.000 You know, that's survival in a real situation where your language goes away.

01:56:01.000 A teacher with crutches was whacking it, hitting it in the eyes, the face, the head for minutes.

01:56:06.000 And then the bear finally.

01:56:07.000 Imagine being on crutches.

01:56:09.000 my god you have well you're just it's just survival It's so reptilian.

01:56:16.000 It's like a savage, savage moment.

01:56:19.000 That's what blows my mind about these situations where emotions are running so high.

01:56:26.000 How people are able to come back with any kind of memory at all.

01:56:29.000 Right.

01:56:29.000 Because that's the amount of adrenaline just completely warps people's memories.

01:56:35.000 I was learning about this case from Australia in the 70s.

01:56:40.000 This lady gets attacked inside of a home. 1.00

01:56:44.000 So a guy breaks into the house and assaults her inside of her home.

01:56:48.000 And she identifies this TV psychologist, this guy called Donald Thompson, says this was the person who assaulted me.

01:56:54.000 The TV psychologist?

01:56:55.000 TV psychologist.

01:56:56.000 So she knew this guy from the TV.

01:56:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:59.000 He was the guy that assaulted me.

01:57:01.000 That night, the police go and they arrest Donald Thompson, take him in.

01:57:06.000 The next day, there's a lineup, and the woman positively identifies him.

01:57:10.000 And Donald Thompson's like, that couldn't have been me because I was actually on television in front of a live audience at the time.

01:57:18.000 The arresting officer scoffs at him and basically says, you might as well have Jesus and the Queen of England as your alibis as well.

01:57:26.000 Like this is ridiculous.

01:57:27.000 We know that she's been assaulted.

01:57:29.000 We've got photographic evidence of the marks on her.

01:57:32.000 We've done a DNA test, which is going to come back soon.

01:57:35.000 She's positively identified you from the lineup and she called you out before you were in the lineup as well.

01:57:40.000 Like you're banged to rights.

01:57:42.000 But there was a wrinkle that when they actually looked at the timing, he was on TV at the time that this was happening.

01:57:49.000 And what had occurred was the woman had had that television program on while the attacker broke in and sexually assaulted her.

01:57:59.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:58:00.000 And it imprinted that guy's face in her memory.

01:58:03.000 Bingo.

01:58:04.000 Wow.

01:58:05.000 Blended the attacker's identity with what she was seeing on TV while it happened.

01:58:13.000 Wow.

01:58:14.000 And the kicker, Donald Thompson, was on TV to discuss an area of psychological speciality that he had, which was the unreliability of eyewitness testimony.

01:58:24.000 Whoa.

01:58:27.000 Dude.

01:58:29.000 Whoa.

01:58:33.000 Did you see that there's someone sent me this video?

01:58:38.000 Pause this for a second.

01:58:38.000 Give me.

01:58:39.000 Darren Brown, the psychic.

01:58:40.000 Have you seen the one?

01:58:42.000 Yes.

01:58:43.000 What about?

01:58:44.000 Have you seen the one where he he got a guy to assassinate Stephen Fry?

01:58:52.000 Oh, yes.

01:58:54.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 Yeah.

01:58:55.000 Fuck.

01:58:56.000 Yeah, like, got, like, MKUltra'd a guy to take out an assassin.

01:59:00.000 You called, like, the jump or something, or the push?

01:59:02.000 Push.

01:59:02.000 Was it the push?

01:59:02.000 Yeah.

01:59:03.000 I don't remember, but I watched a clip of it the other day.

01:59:05.000 I'm like, this is so crazy that you can actually do this to someone.

01:59:12.000 And the point of the article that I was reading on, or the post on X was, you're telling me that MK Ultra has not figured out a way to do this?

01:59:22.000 You can get a guy to do it with cameras to do it on Stephen Fry, the comedian.

01:59:27.000 And obviously, he didn't really kill him.

01:59:31.000 I had a show.

01:59:34.000 Yeah.

01:59:35.000 So the assassin with Stephen Fry.

01:59:38.000 So he somehow or another gets this guy to do it.

01:59:43.000 I guess we can't play it.

01:59:44.000 Yeah.

01:59:46.000 Does he do his gun?

01:59:46.000 There's some tricks.

01:59:49.000 Fake gun?

01:59:50.000 I don't remember what he did.

01:59:52.000 Yep.

01:59:52.000 Oh, shit.

01:59:53.000 They acted it all out, too.

01:59:55.000 That is so crazy.

01:59:56.000 That's crazy.

01:59:57.000 That's so crazy.

01:59:58.000 So that guy really thought he killed Stephen Fry.

02:00:00.000 Imagine being in the crowd.

02:00:02.000 How about those people next to him who didn't even flinch?

02:00:05.000 I'd be like, what kind of psycho-shit?

02:00:07.000 She might want to whisper into watch.

02:00:08.000 She whispered.

02:00:08.000 She's like, good job.

02:00:09.000 I think she's the one who set him off.

02:00:11.000 Oh.

02:00:14.000 She's in on it.

02:00:15.000 Now, here's the question.

02:00:16.000 Is this, can anybody, yeah, can anybody fall into that kind of a hypnosis?

02:00:23.000 Is that only certain people that are suggestible?

02:00:26.000 There's high, medium, and low suggestibility people.

02:00:30.000 And there's a couple of tests.

02:00:32.000 Dr. David Spiegel at Stanford.

02:00:35.000 He's like one of the world leaders in hypnosis.

02:00:38.000 And he explained some people are more susceptible to hypnosis than others.

02:00:42.000 I have to assume that Darren will have done a profile and this guy is like really, really susceptible.

02:00:48.000 Okay, what's that about?

02:00:49.000 Why is that around?

02:00:51.000 Susceptibility to hypnosis.

02:00:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:53.000 So I think that dopamine plays a big part of it.

02:00:56.000 And if you process dopamine more quickly, you are more susceptible.

02:01:01.000 I process dopamine really slowly.

02:01:03.000 I know that from doing some genetic tests.

02:01:05.000 So I know that my susceptibility to hypnosis would be lower.

02:01:08.000 There's some personality traits that make you more or less likely as well.

02:01:11.000 I think agreeableness versus disagreeableness is one of them.

02:01:15.000 I think there'll be a sex difference too.

02:01:17.000 I don't know why it's there.

02:01:18.000 It's kind of the same as saying, like, why are some people taller than others?

02:01:21.000 Like, they just are.

02:01:22.000 And there's like a byproduct that comes along for the ride.

02:01:24.000 But it's a weird thing to be able to manipulate a person's mind and to have it so clearly I mean, this is the clearest example of it you're ever going to see.

02:01:37.000 He just shot a famous person in a room full of people.

02:01:40.000 It does feel like a weird back door.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.

02:01:44.000 Like it's like those voting systems that can be hacked.

02:01:48.000 Well, does it speak about that?

02:01:50.000 Does it have to be or like those cell phone towers they buy from China that turn out to be sending everything back to China?

02:01:57.000 I think why does that exist?

02:01:59.000 That David Spiegel guy taught me that 25% of people that do a single session intervention for smoking cessation quit for life.

02:02:09.000 From hypnosis?

02:02:10.000 One session.

02:02:11.000 25% get this.

02:02:13.000 And I think if you do a couple of sessions, that number starts to go up and go up.

02:02:16.000 So hypnosis is this really weird backdoor into the human psyche.

02:02:21.000 But yeah, the memory thing is fucking crazy.

02:02:23.000 When you think about what do I actually know?

02:02:26.000 Like, how do I know that this thing happened in the past?

02:02:29.000 Right.

02:02:30.000 So most people understand.

02:02:33.000 There's like two types of memory failure.

02:02:35.000 One is I can't remember that thing.

02:02:36.000 And the other is I remember it, but I remember it incorrectly.

02:02:39.000 That's broadly two categories.

02:02:41.000 And I think people are really happy with the first one.

02:02:43.000 Because there's tons of shit that has happened to you.

02:02:45.000 And you go, yeah, I forget my memory or whatever, whatever.

02:02:48.000 But your experience of your own memory is your only experience of your own memory.

02:02:52.000 So for you to be able to say, my recollection is wrong, what does that mean?

02:02:56.000 That's like saying this dimension that I'm in is wrong.

02:02:59.000 So a lot of the time, I think people struggle to understand how often their memory of a thing is present but inaccurate.

02:03:07.000 So for instance, there's only 17 colors that we remember on average.

02:03:12.000 Like if I ask you what colours are tomato.

02:03:12.000 We don't remember.

02:03:16.000 Well, I would say red, but really it's not.

02:03:19.000 If it's heirloom typically red, but it's like a reddy-orange sort of colour.

02:03:24.000 Sure, but those are the bullshit tomatoes.

02:03:26.000 Like a real heirloom tomato.

02:03:27.000 Do you need to get all kinds of different orange sort of tomatoes?

02:03:31.000 That's a real tomato, though.

02:03:32.000 That's what a tomato really looks like.

02:03:33.000 Sorry.

02:03:34.000 I know.

02:03:34.000 Supermarket tomato.

02:03:36.000 Kind of reddish orange.

02:03:37.000 Reddish-orangish.

02:03:37.000 Reddish.

02:03:38.000 But most people would default to the red thing.

02:03:40.000 Right, but not really.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, but it's not.

02:03:42.000 And we sort of adjust.

02:03:44.000 Right.

02:03:44.000 So if you're there.

02:03:45.000 Like, we're white people.

02:03:47.000 Uh-huh.

02:03:47.000 But we're not really white.

02:03:48.000 Well, I mean, you're a bit flush.

02:03:50.000 Yeah, but we're not white. 0.93

02:03:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:03:53.000 Like, comparatively white.

02:03:55.000 My friend Jamie, not this one, but another one.

02:03:58.000 He's from England and he's white like paper.

02:04:00.000 And when my daughter first met him, that's what she said.

02:04:02.000 She goes, Mommy, he's so white.

02:04:04.000 And she goes, yeah, he's white.

02:04:05.000 And she goes, no, no, he's white like paper.

02:04:10.000 Well, if you live in England, you will be referred to as white like paper.

02:04:14.000 If you've got...

02:04:15.000 I mean, this must be the same with fighters.

02:04:17.000 Even if you forget the TBI head trauma-y stuff, just the dump of adrenaline from going through.

02:04:24.000 I mean, you must have done this when you've done your biggest shows.

02:04:26.000 And you go out and say you come back and you're like, I've worked my whole life to get to the stage where I can achieve this thing.

02:04:35.000 And in the achievement of this thing, I kind of wasn't really there.

02:04:39.000 Well, I was there for it, but in retrospect, I can't really recall where I was.

02:04:43.000 And it's this odd duality that you want to be in a flow state because it's very fulfilling.

02:04:49.000 It's where you're at your best.

02:04:51.000 This word's just coming out of you perfectly.

02:04:53.000 And when you look back, you're like, I don't know if I was there fully.

02:04:59.000 I feel like I was kind of absent.

02:05:01.000 Well, it's not that you're absent, but that you're empty.

02:05:04.000 You empty out all your expectations and you're on it for the ride.

02:05:09.000 You're not really piloting it as much as you're just like making sure it doesn't hit the rocks.

02:05:15.000 You're there for the ride.

02:05:16.000 The thing takes over.

02:05:18.000 And I think that's the case with everything.

02:05:20.000 That's the case when you're in the flow state of anything you're doing.

02:05:24.000 The more you think about you being there, which is what you have to do if you're there, you're thinking about you.

02:05:31.000 So it's like wasted resources.

02:05:33.000 You're better off being empty and just like being a vessel and just like taking this thing like you've done the work already.

02:05:40.000 Like take it along for the ride.

02:05:42.000 Just go for the ride.

02:05:44.000 That's what it is.

02:05:45.000 And so the problem with that is if you don't record your set, sometimes you'll say things that you don't remember, like that were really funny.

02:05:52.000 And you're like, oh, there's a, I had a totally different point that I went off and it really worked, but I don't remember what it was.

02:05:58.000 If you don't record it, you're fucked. 0.60

02:06:00.000 The only way you can get it back is you have to get back to that exact spot and hope it's still there for the next show.

02:06:06.000 Sometimes it will be.

02:06:07.000 Sometimes it will be.

02:06:08.000 Someone's waiting for you as a little gift.

02:06:10.000 Sometimes that angle pops up again.

02:06:11.000 You're like, oh, yeah, but why are we doing this?

02:06:14.000 And you're like, oh, I almost forgot it.

02:06:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:06:16.000 That must be a nightmare, or must have been a nightmare before you could record sets.

02:06:19.000 Yeah, but you've always been able to record sets.

02:06:21.000 That's one of the things I learned really early on from this guy, Mike Dunovan, who was one of the big comics in Boston.

02:06:26.000 He goes, always record your sets because you never know when you're going to say something.

02:06:30.000 And it'll be lost forever if you don't have a recording.

02:06:34.000 There was a Scotty Scheffler, a golfer.

02:06:38.000 Jamie, you'll have seen this video.

02:06:38.000 He won.

02:06:40.000 Can you walk?

02:06:41.000 Can we get the that it's a there's a New York sports video like cut?

02:06:46.000 He does this.

02:06:47.000 It's such a fucking cool explanation of what somebody who's got to the peak of their sport, the absolute pinnacle, like in the moments of winning, and he just breaks the fourth wall open about, kind of the hollowness of what this is really.

02:07:03.000 Yeah, it's really fascinating.

02:07:04.000 What's the point?

02:07:05.000 That thing yes, yeah and um, it's just.

02:07:08.000 It's just such a fucking great explainer because we always assume, here we go, you might have just won the Us Open here too, by the way, the biggest event of the year fulfilling life, it's.

02:07:22.000 It's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest you know places of your heart.

02:07:29.000 You know, I think it's kind of funny, I think you know, I think I said something after the Buyer In this year about like it feels like you work your whole life to celebrate winning a tournament for like a few minutes.

02:07:43.000 It only lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling and I like to win the Buyer Nelson championship at home.

02:07:49.000 I literally worked my entire life to become good at golf, to have an opportunity to win that tournament and you win it, you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.

02:07:58.000 It's such an amazing moment.

02:08:00.000 And then it's like, okay now, now what are we gonna eat for dinner?

02:08:04.000 You know, life goes on.

02:08:05.000 This is it great to be able to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I have in the game of golf?

02:08:12.000 Yet I mean it.

02:08:13.000 It brings tears in my eyes just to think about, because it's literally worked my entire life to become good at this sport and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment.

02:08:21.000 I think is is a pretty cool feeling.

02:08:24.000 You know, to get to live out your dreams is very special, but at the end of the day, it's like i'm not out here to inspire the next generation of golfers.

02:08:30.000 I don't.

02:08:31.000 I'm not here to inspire somebody else to be the best player in the world, because what's the point?

02:08:34.000 You know, this is not a fulfilling life it's.

02:08:39.000 It's fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a sense of like the deepest.

02:08:43.000 You know places of your heart.

02:08:45.000 You know there's a lot of people that make it to what they thought was going to fulfill them in life.

02:08:50.000 And then you get there and all of a sudden you get to number one in the world and then they're like what's the point?

02:08:54.000 And you know I, I really do believe that, because you know what is the point.

02:08:58.000 You're like, why do I want to win this tournament so bad?

02:09:00.000 That's something that I wrestle with on a daily basis.

02:09:02.000 It's like showing up with the Masters every year.

02:09:04.000 It's like, why do I want to win this golf tournament so badly?

02:09:08.000 Why do I want to win the Open championship so badly?

02:09:11.000 I don't know, because if I win, it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes and then we're gonna get to the next week and it's gonna be like, hey, you won two majors this year.

02:09:19.000 How important is it for you to win the Fedex Cup playoffs?

02:09:21.000 It's just like we're back here again.

02:09:23.000 You know um, so we really do.

02:09:25.000 We work so hard for such little moments and um, you know, i'm kind of a sicko.

02:09:30.000 I love putting in the work, I love being able to practice, I love getting out to live out my dreams, but at the end of the day, sometimes I just don't understand the point.

02:09:37.000 This, that's honest.

02:09:38.000 That's what that is.

02:09:40.000 That's why.

02:09:41.000 That's why he's so good.

02:09:42.000 I love that video.

02:09:43.000 I guarantee you that's why he's so good, because I guarantee you, that guy has to be that honest with himself about everything, otherwise you'd never fix the hitch in your swing.

02:09:51.000 You know you, you have to be honest about every single thing.

02:09:56.000 You have to be, you have to be aware of all of it, every little weird fucking thing you do.

02:10:01.000 Why am I doing this?

02:10:02.000 Like what is the point of this?

02:10:03.000 And then, when you're done, like yeah, I did it, and then it's gonna creep right back in, creep right back in.

02:10:09.000 NIKE did a back to work a commercial after that and uh, it's him with his son sort of kneeling down on the uh, the green.

02:10:18.000 And it says uh, you've already won.

02:10:21.000 And then I think the next slide is, but let's get another one.

02:10:25.000 And it's so fucking cool dude, there it is, you've already won.

02:10:29.000 But another, another major, never hurt, that was a bro.

02:10:33.000 Yeah, fucking unbelievable.

02:10:34.000 So I think I kind of become obsessed with um, People sacrificing what they want, which is happiness, for the thing that's supposed to get it, which is success.

02:10:45.000 So they sacrifice the thing that they want, being happy in the moment.

02:10:50.000 They make themselves miserable in order to be able to achieve a thing so that when they finally have sufficient success, they will allow themselves to be happy.

02:10:57.000 It's like a very strange trade.

02:10:59.000 Imagine if you had some simultaneous equation and you just crossed off success from both sides, you would sort of be left with happiness.

02:11:05.000 I think that's unrealistic, right?

02:11:06.000 Because we need social validation from people.

02:11:08.000 And we want to be recognized.

02:11:10.000 We want to do stuff.

02:11:11.000 And we've got to put food on the table and social creatures and all the rest of it. 0.99

02:11:15.000 But I think videos like that are really important for people to see when they look up to someone about how much there is there at the end of the rainbow.

02:11:27.000 Like Elon was on Lex's show a couple of years ago, and I think Lex asked him some question, like, how are you doing?

02:11:33.000 He replied and he said, people think they want to be me.

02:11:36.000 They do not want to be me.

02:11:38.000 They don't know.

02:11:38.000 They don't understand.

02:11:39.000 My mind is a storm.

02:11:41.000 I'm like, that's the price you need to pay to be Elon Musk.

02:11:44.000 I think that was on this podcast.

02:11:46.000 Was it this one?

02:11:47.000 Yeah, because I asked him, like, what is it like to be you?

02:11:50.000 Like, he's like, you wouldn't want to do it.

02:11:52.000 You wouldn't want to be me.

02:11:54.000 And you could tell, like, when you're in his eyes, like, there's, it's not a normal thought process.

02:12:00.000 It's like this chaotic tornado of ideas that's running around in his head.

02:12:06.000 You know, and that sometimes he spits them out on Twitter and they're not good.

02:12:10.000 Well, it's a problem when you're on the platform, right?

02:12:12.000 It's kind of like, I can say what I want.

02:12:13.000 It's my own house.

02:12:14.000 Well, he can, though.

02:12:16.000 Like, but he's like that all the time.

02:12:17.000 He's fun.

02:12:18.000 He's like what I would want to see from a guy who's a super genius, like a playful guy who wants to go to Mars, who's making rocks.

02:12:27.000 Like Jamie and I went on a tour of Starship, Starbase.

02:12:30.000 What is it?

02:12:31.000 SpaceX, Starbase, whatever the fuck it is.

02:12:34.000 We saw the launch.

02:12:36.000 We went to the SpaceX launch.

02:12:38.000 And so we got a tour of the rocket factory, which is fucking insane.

02:12:42.000 It's so much more insane than I thought it was going to be.

02:12:45.000 I mean, I can't really, I don't know how much we could even say, but it is nuts.

02:12:50.000 It's nuts.

02:12:51.000 And the sheer quantity of rockets that they're making is mind-blowing.

02:12:55.000 Like, you're like, I had no, I thought they had a couple rockets, you know, just a couple rockets laying around.

02:13:00.000 They're just making rockets.

02:13:02.000 I'm pretty sure they've put more stuff into space, just that one company, than like the entirety of the load that's been transported into space globally up until now.

02:13:12.000 They put stuff in space for their competitors.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, they use their space rockets to put stuff in space for people that they're in competition with.

02:13:22.000 Yeah, they take the money.

02:13:23.000 Show me the colours.

02:13:24.000 Yeah, we know how to do it.

02:13:25.000 We're better at it than you, so we'll do it.

02:13:26.000 Fucking unbelievable, dude.

02:13:28.000 It's kind of nuts.

02:13:29.000 I think about that, like the sort of person you need to be to drive that, though.

02:13:33.000 It's a different kind of person, right?

02:13:35.000 Like, that's what he wants to do, and that's what he desires to do.

02:13:38.000 And, you know, this gentleman talking about golf, like, this is a different, that's a totally different thing because he's in a competition all the time, you know?

02:13:50.000 And it's really hard to just enjoy the process when you're in this competition, where especially if your livelihood depends upon a very specific result.

02:13:59.000 Like, you have to be better at this thing than everybody else.

02:14:01.000 Not just do the best yourself, but better than the other people that are also doing their best.

02:14:08.000 So you're in this constant, just never escaping this pressure.

02:14:14.000 Fighters feel that, I think, more than anybody, because it's like an actual physical person coming to harm you all the time.

02:14:20.000 And you're very outcome-focused.

02:14:22.000 Yeah.

02:14:22.000 And so it's all well and good, him saying, I love the process.

02:14:25.000 I'm a bit of a sicko.

02:14:26.000 I like my training, so on and so forth.

02:14:29.000 But it's very different saying, I enjoy the process of training when you've just won than I enjoy the process of training when you've just come second or fifth or twentieth.

02:14:38.000 And especially if you're laid out flat on the canvas.

02:14:41.000 Yeah, oh, especially that.

02:14:42.000 It's the humiliation.

02:14:44.000 There's also the damage that was just done to you where you might not, really might not be the same again.

02:14:49.000 There's certain fighters that you could point to one fight and they never recovered from it.

02:14:55.000 Meldrick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez is my personal one that I always point to because Julio Cesar Chavez knocked him out with like, I think it was like a couple seconds left in the last round.

02:15:06.000 stopped him.

02:15:07.000 And it was a fight that Meldrick Taylor was winning a decision.

02:15:09.000 But Julio Cesar Chavez was wearing him down.

02:15:11.000 He was one of the greatest of all time, just ripping the body, constantly attacking him, and eventually broke him down, had him in a corner, boom, dropped him with a right hand.

02:15:19.000 And he got up and the referee called the fight with like a couple of seconds to go.

02:15:24.000 And it was a hugely controversial call.

02:15:26.000 But then when Meldrick Taylor returned, he was never the same again.

02:15:29.000 He started slurring his words really badly.

02:15:32.000 So that's physical issues.

02:15:33.000 He's getting knocked out easily.

02:15:34.000 He's getting dropped easily.

02:15:36.000 He was just, it was gone.

02:15:37.000 It was all gone.

02:15:38.000 That fight just took it all out of him.

02:15:40.000 You see that?

02:15:41.000 So there's that too.

02:15:42.000 It's not just you're going to lose a golf tournament.

02:15:45.000 Like you might get your brains punched in.

02:15:47.000 Physical repercussions.

02:15:48.000 Huge physical repercussions.

02:15:50.000 For a vicious knockout, huge.

02:15:52.000 Some guys are never the same again and much more likely to get knocked out again once they get knocked out really badly.

02:15:58.000 Who do you think of all of the people that you know has got the right balance of is successful and is also having fun at the same time?

02:16:08.000 Because it seems like that's a trade that a lot of people can make where they are successful but they sacrifice their happiness or they're kind of happy but they're not pursuing external successes in the same way.

02:16:19.000 I would say comedians.

02:16:20.000 I would say Chappelle.

02:16:21.000 Chappelle's probably the most successful guy that's genuinely happy.

02:16:24.000 I mean, he certainly has a lot of moments in deep thought, but when you're hanging around with him, he's a lovely person.

02:16:31.000 He's a happy, lovely guy.

02:16:33.000 He's so sweet and so smart and so like self-deprecating and interesting and so great at what he does.

02:16:42.000 But when you're hanging out with him, it's just a hang.

02:16:46.000 He's just having fun, laughing a lot.

02:16:49.000 Got a great crew.

02:16:50.000 He always keeps his circle tight with cool people and just has a great time.

02:16:56.000 Have you deconstructed what that is?

02:16:58.000 Like what the contributing elements are?

02:17:00.000 I think he just, he's doing it.

02:17:02.000 Well, he's a very unusual person, right?

02:17:05.000 So you're talking about Dave Chappelle, when Chappelle's show was the number one comedy in the country.

02:17:12.000 It was the greatest sketch show.

02:17:13.000 I think it was the greatest sketch show of all time.

02:17:15.000 And it was only two seasons, right?

02:17:18.000 And then they offered him an enormous amount of money.

02:17:21.000 I think it was $50 million.

02:17:23.000 And they wanted to change a bunch of stuff.

02:17:24.000 They wanted him to stop saying certain words.

02:17:26.000 They wanted him to stop doing this, stop doing that.

02:17:29.000 And he didn't like it.

02:17:30.000 And he said, I quit.

02:17:32.000 And he went to Africa and just fucking hung out in Africa.

02:17:36.000 And then came back.

02:17:36.000 When he came back, he stopped doing stand-up.

02:17:38.000 He would do stand-up.

02:17:39.000 I remember one time he did stand-up in a park in Seattle.

02:17:44.000 So he showed up.

02:17:46.000 He had little speakers with him and a microphone and just did stand-up for free to these people.

02:17:52.000 Just hung out in Seattle.

02:17:54.000 Just did stand-up.

02:17:55.000 And he would do stuff like that, show up places and just do stand-up occasionally.

02:17:59.000 I mean, for 10 fucking years, he was like a monk on a walkabout.

02:18:05.000 How did he stay sharp?

02:18:08.000 Well, I don't think he ever stopped thinking about things the same way.

02:18:12.000 And he wasn't as sharp when he came back.

02:18:14.000 There's one famous video from him in Hartford, Connecticut, where he bombed.

02:18:18.000 Where I always tell people stay out of Connecticut.

02:18:20.000 But just, that's not the point.

02:18:24.000 It's like, you know, I think England's depressed.

02:18:26.000 But the point was, then eventually he started touring regularly, got it all back, plus then some, and then is now widely regarded as, if not the greatest of all time, he's in the consideration.

02:18:38.000 There's like Pryor, him, Murphy, Kinnison, Lenny Bruce, Carlin for some.

02:18:45.000 There's like a bunch of different people that you put into like the greatest of all time.

02:18:47.000 And Dave is certainly in that group, but he's very happy.

02:18:50.000 He's a happy guy.

02:18:51.000 I mean, certainly there's cultural issues that trouble him and life issues that everybody goes through that trouble him.

02:18:58.000 But genuinely a pretty balanced guy for someone who's ultra successful.

02:19:03.000 But he's not stepping outside of his lane either.

02:19:06.000 What he's really concentrating on and almost exclusively concentrating on is doing stand-up comedy.

02:19:12.000 And he will travel, he would get in a jet and fly to New York unannounced and just show up at clubs and start doing stand-up.

02:19:18.000 And he's done this forever.

02:19:20.000 One time I was in Colorado and I've known Dave forever.

02:19:25.000 I met Dave when he was like 19 and I was like, I guess I was like 23 or 24.

02:19:30.000 We were both very young.

02:19:32.000 And even back then, I was like, this kid is so talented.

02:19:35.000 It was like remarkable how poised he was on stage as a 19-year-old kid.

02:19:42.000 He will just show up places.

02:19:44.000 I was in Colorado doing stand-up.

02:19:46.000 I was at the Comedy Works.

02:19:47.000 I get off stage.

02:19:48.000 It was on a Friday night.

02:19:49.000 I go into the green room and Dave's there.

02:19:52.000 He doesn't live in Colorado.

02:19:53.000 He just flew to Colorado because he knew I was going to be there and he wanted to do comedy.

02:19:57.000 And so I go, do you want to do a set?

02:20:00.000 He goes, should I?

02:20:01.000 I go, yes.

02:20:01.000 I go, hold on.

02:20:02.000 So I went back on stage.

02:20:04.000 The show was over.

02:20:05.000 I go, everybody, yell at the people that are on the stairs to come back.

02:20:09.000 Dave Chappelle is here.

02:20:11.000 And half the crowd had already got up and left.

02:20:14.000 They all come back.

02:20:15.000 Everyone tells everyone.

02:20:15.000 Everyone.

02:20:16.000 They're yelling it up the stairs.

02:20:17.000 Dave Chappelle's here.

02:20:18.000 Come back.

02:20:19.000 I bring him on stage.

02:20:20.000 Everybody goes crazy.

02:20:20.000 And he does like 45 minutes.

02:20:22.000 Just fucking around.

02:20:23.000 It was back in the Grab Him by the Pussy days. 0.99

02:20:25.000 So he had this whole, like, he said, grab him by the pussy. 0.98

02:20:28.000 And this whole bit, like, it just happened that week.

02:20:31.000 And he had this like giant, and he just wanted to just go places and do comedy.

02:20:35.000 So he's not doing it for money, right?

02:20:37.000 He's not getting paid to do this show.

02:20:39.000 He would show up in New York.

02:20:40.000 He's not getting paid to do the stand or wherever these clubs that he just shows up.

02:20:42.000 And he's just working.

02:20:44.000 He's just working on the craft of comedy.

02:20:46.000 So his mindset is not try to make the most amount of money with stand-up.

02:20:51.000 Because if he was doing that, he would do an arena every night, right?

02:20:53.000 But he could do an arena every night of the week all over the world and make way more money.

02:20:58.000 But that's not what he's doing.

02:20:59.000 What he's doing is working on the craft of comedy.

02:21:02.000 He has plenty of money, right?

02:21:03.000 He has all this money from all these Netflix specials.

02:21:05.000 They pay him an exorbitant amount of money.

02:21:07.000 And he makes all this money when he does do the big show.

02:21:09.000 So he's got plenty of money.

02:21:10.000 So it's not money.

02:21:11.000 It's just the craft.

02:21:13.000 It's just the art, the new set, the new bits, the new thing.

02:21:16.000 He has a guy who films all of his sets.

02:21:19.000 So he's got like a guy there filming every one of his sets and they break them down.

02:21:24.000 Like this rant, that rant.

02:21:25.000 Because he'll like ask questions to people in the audience.

02:21:28.000 He'll do like an hour and a half on stage just fucking around with a small crowd somewhere.

02:21:32.000 But there's a gem in there somewhere.

02:21:34.000 And then they take that gem and then it expands upon it.

02:21:38.000 He'll go over it and break it down.

02:21:40.000 So his process is all just about the art.

02:21:43.000 And I think because of that, the love of the art is what keeps him happy.

02:21:48.000 I think if it's just the love of the money and you're constantly keeping score, who's the number one touring act?

02:21:53.000 And you're looking at the fucking ticket master.

02:21:55.000 Oh, Jesus Christ, Kevin Hart's got me B?

02:21:57.000 Son of a bitch. 0.88

02:21:58.000 I got to do two shows a night now.

02:22:00.000 Yeah, that's Matine.

02:22:02.000 Yeah, people get nutty.

02:22:03.000 They get nutty and they really do get themselves.

02:22:05.000 You see in the podcast world as well.

02:22:07.000 People really get obsessed with the number of the rankings and like who's making more and who's doing this.

02:22:16.000 Just do what you do.

02:22:17.000 Well, the problem that you're going to come up against there is you are going to try and trade The outcome that you're looking for for the fuel that gets you there.

02:22:27.000 The fuel that gets you there is how much you love what you're doing.

02:22:30.000 So I've been thinking.

02:22:30.000 Yeah.

02:22:31.000 That's what gets you to the dance.

02:22:32.000 Correct.

02:22:33.000 I've been thinking so much about the shame of simple pleasures.

02:22:37.000 So there's this quote from a guy called Visekan Varasimi that says, I have not yet grown wise enough to deeply enjoy simple things.

02:22:46.000 And I just love the idea of it, that most of us are kind of terrible accountants of our own joy.

02:22:52.000 That we only accept deposits when the transaction's large enough, right?

02:22:56.000 The day that we get married or the night that we play the main stage at Glastonbury or sell out the arena.

02:23:01.000 Anything less than that.

02:23:03.000 And it doesn't even make the ledger.

02:23:05.000 So we treat small pleasures like counterfeit currency.

02:23:10.000 And we think like we have a kind of not disgust, but rejection of, oh, that small thing made your weak.

02:23:23.000 That tiny incident made your day.

02:23:25.000 You must not have a lot going on.

02:23:27.000 Like how weak and how small must your life be that seeing a cute golden retriever this afternoon was like a fucking sick part of your day.

02:23:37.000 I think about Scotty Scheffler as a good example, him making it all the way to the top.

02:23:43.000 And if all that you were doing was waiting for that final moment for this main stage at Glastonbury, day that I get married, sell the business for $500 million, whatever.

02:23:52.000 You are forgetting almost all of the journey and then just cashing in at the destination.

02:23:59.000 And as the guy that's just won everything in all of fucking golf, like the goat of right now, is saying it's fleeting. 0.56

02:24:06.000 Yeah.

02:24:06.000 It's really, really short.

02:24:07.000 It's not going to last for very long.

02:24:09.000 And that shame that people have, I certainly know that I do as well, that it almost feels like a reflection on the smallness of my life if I take pleasure in little things.

02:24:20.000 But when you take pleasure in little things, you don't just get more of them.

02:24:23.000 You get them right now.

02:24:24.000 You don't need to wait.

02:24:25.000 You don't need to be a fucking world champion at the winning the marshmallow test, just delaying gratification so long that you never actually end up getting any gratification.

02:24:33.000 Yeah.

02:24:34.000 The problem with that thought process is to achieve true greatness, you must be mad.

02:24:41.000 Madness and greatness are inextricably connected.

02:24:46.000 You can't separate them.

02:24:49.000 To get true greatness, there has to be some demons.

02:24:54.000 There has to be a mad struggle in your mind.

02:24:57.000 And you have to want it so badly.

02:24:59.000 You have to want that result so badly that you are willing to put in more time, more effort, more focus, more hours.

02:25:08.000 And just you don't get to smell the roses, man.

02:25:12.000 You don't.

02:25:12.000 You don't get to pet the puppies.

02:25:14.000 You do, but you don't, you're petting the puppy, thinking about the thing that you do, thinking about getting better, because you need those resources.

02:25:21.000 It's like a demon that sort of climbs inside of you and wears you.

02:25:24.000 Do you know who Ronnie O'Sullivan is?

02:25:24.000 Yeah.

02:25:26.000 Yeah, the snooker player.

02:25:27.000 Yeah, the greatest of all time.

02:25:29.000 Like, there's certain people in certain sports.

02:25:31.000 I'm going to send you something, Jamie.

02:25:33.000 So you see what a wizard this guy is.

02:25:34.000 I'm actually in the middle of his book.

02:25:37.000 My friend Billy Thorpe, who's a top-flight pool player, recommended this book.

02:25:42.000 Oh, no, I'm sorry.

02:25:43.000 Tyler Styler, who's another top-flight pool player, like world-class pool player, recommended this book.

02:25:49.000 And I started the book and I can't stop it.

02:25:53.000 It's so good.

02:26:02.000 He recommended it because of the way Ronnie describes picking the perfect cue, like the relationship that he has with the cue.

02:26:09.000 But it is so eloquent and so – but the story – the whole story, the whole book rather, the story of his life is really more of – it's an exercise in him trying to explain like what it's like to be this good and this mad.

02:26:31.000 Like he's a madman.

02:26:32.000 Like watch this, watch this.

02:26:33.000 Watch what he does here.

02:26:34.000 This is recording from O'Sullivan.

02:26:39.000 Now, if you don't know how difficult it is to make these balls, he doesn't give a shit that that guy's in front of him, that the referee's in front of him.

02:26:45.000 Watch how quickly he does this.

02:26:49.000 I mean, he's making the audience laugh.

02:26:51.000 He's moving around that guy.

02:26:52.000 He can't miss.

02:26:54.000 This is the zone personified.

02:26:57.000 He gets to a point in this where he's feeling so good.

02:26:59.000 He decides to start shooting things one-handed.

02:27:02.000 Watch this.

02:27:03.000 Watch this.

02:27:04.000 One-handed.

02:27:04.000 Now he's doing it one-handed.

02:27:06.000 One-handed.

02:27:07.000 These are tiny little pockets.

02:27:09.000 He's shooting one-handed with English and getting position.

02:27:12.000 Everyone's going crazy.

02:27:15.000 I mean, that's how fucking good Ronnie O'Sullivan was.

02:27:21.000 But the book is really about managing madness.

02:27:25.000 It's about him being sober and now he's trans, he's kind of taken a lot of that insane competitive drive. 1.00

02:27:31.000 Now he runs like he's a runner, like he runs long distances.

02:27:34.000 And he talks about that and meets up with his running club and they all get together and go on runs together.

02:27:39.000 But it's like, it's just managing whatever the fuck that, and he's also describing, even in his prime, he was saying he was thinking he's worthless.

02:27:48.000 He's thinking he's not good enough.

02:27:49.000 He's going to fall apart.

02:27:50.000 He's going to choke.

02:27:51.000 He's going to this.

02:27:52.000 All these demons are popping up.

02:27:54.000 And meanwhile, he's just, everybody's like terrified of him.

02:27:57.000 He shows up.

02:27:58.000 It's like, oh, gee, the genius is here.

02:27:59.000 Because he's a genius.

02:28:00.000 Like, he's a snooker playing genius.

02:28:03.000 There's something about what he does.

02:28:04.000 It's just different than everybody else.

02:28:06.000 But the book is like, it's not just about picking the perfect cue.

02:28:10.000 It's really about managing madness.

02:28:12.000 And everyone who's great is fucking crazy.

02:28:16.000 But you can, I think, like Chappelle does, you can take that greatness and just throw it into the thing you do and love it while you're doing it.

02:28:26.000 You can't, it doesn't have to be a demon.

02:28:30.000 It doesn't have to be an adversary.

02:28:32.000 It could be like just this romantic affair of you being so fortunate to be able to pursue this thing, but maintaining that same level of enthusiasm.

02:28:42.000 I don't know if the same level of enthusiasm, though, can be maintained in something that has like a winner and a loser, like a game where there's so much writing on each other.

02:28:53.000 Yes.

02:28:53.000 By shocking.

02:28:54.000 Versus art, which is like Dave goes to, he's already won.

02:28:59.000 The show sold out.

02:29:00.000 He knows how to do comedy.

02:29:01.000 He gets out there.

02:29:02.000 They all cheer.

02:29:03.000 He's got great material.

02:29:04.000 He can't wait to make them laugh.

02:29:06.000 He already won.

02:29:07.000 But that's the problem with turning the art into the competition.

02:29:11.000 She said there, right?

02:29:11.000 Yeah.

02:29:12.000 The rankings.

02:29:13.000 Well, that means that even if I did it and enjoyed it, but I'm number three or whatever.

02:29:18.000 Yeah.

02:29:18.000 That's horrendous.

02:29:19.000 That's not good.

02:29:20.000 There's podcasts that game the system.

02:29:20.000 Yeah.

02:29:23.000 So this podcast that released multiple episodes a day and they're short podcasts.

02:29:27.000 So they have more downloads than everybody else.

02:29:29.000 And so relatively speaking, you know, so it's like a scam.

02:29:35.000 And so like they'll be very highly ranked, but no one's ever watched it or heard of it.

02:29:39.000 I think.

02:29:40.000 But they'll get quoted in magazines as being the number two podcast in the world.

02:29:43.000 Oh, dear.

02:29:44.000 But that's really what it is.

02:29:45.000 It's like you figured out a way, which is nothing wrong with that.

02:29:47.000 If you want to do that, you can game the system.

02:29:51.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:29:52.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:29:53.000 Like, are you doing something that you're putting out?

02:29:55.000 Like, I don't talk to anybody that I'm not interested in talking to.

02:30:00.000 It's the only reason why I do this.

02:30:00.000 That's it.

02:30:01.000 I talk to people that I think will be fun, and I look forward to it, and I still do.

02:30:06.000 And that's why I do it.

02:30:07.000 That's why, you know, it continues to work because I do it the same way I've always done it.

02:30:12.000 I just talk to people that I like to talk to.

02:30:15.000 No, no, like, oh, if I got that guy on, he's super famous.

02:30:18.000 Like, that'll get a big rate.

02:30:20.000 Yeah.

02:30:20.000 There's a lot of famous people that I've said no to because I'm just not interested in them.

02:30:24.000 I'm like, yeah, maybe that'll get a lot of people, but I don't, I don't want to do that.

02:30:28.000 What I've found, the single best determinant for when I know that modern wisdom is going well is if I wake up on the morning of the episode and I can't wait for it to be 2 p.m.

02:30:39.000 I'm like, fucking yes, I get to speak to such and such today.

02:30:42.000 And then I finish up and I go, I learned something.

02:30:44.000 That was fucking cool.

02:30:45.000 Like that was a good one, two, three, four hours.

02:30:48.000 That was a good day.

02:30:50.000 And then there's other days when I've like, I don't know, I wake up and I just think, I should have, I should have thought a little bit more about it.

02:30:57.000 I'm like, I'm looking forward to this, but I'm not super fired up.

02:31:00.000 And the more that you push away from that instinct with whatever you're doing, because your instinct is ultimately your only competitive advantage that you have because it's the most non-fungible thing that you've got.

02:31:10.000 So Douglas Murray told me this story, really fascinating one about this guy.

02:31:13.000 When Douglas was first on the scene, this guy that was the head of the paper that he was at, accumulated all of the fans and all of the foes that you would in an industry like that over the space of a couple of decades.

02:31:26.000 And he decides that he's going to release a West End show about the life of Prince Charles in rhyming couplets.

02:31:37.000 It's like, what?

02:31:40.000 Okay, you know, do you trust him?

02:31:42.000 This guy, this illustrious history, so and so, he must know what he's doing.

02:31:46.000 And by the opening night interval, there is nobody left in the entire auditorium, including the cast.

02:31:53.000 Everybody's left.

02:31:54.000 And this guy is dejected and all of the people, all of the enemies that he's accumulated throughout his career, they start sharpening the knives and they come out and he's just despondent.

02:32:02.000 He's like, so, so sad.

02:32:05.000 Douglas sees him a couple of weeks later and he goes, what were you fucking West End show about the life of Prince Charles in rhyming couplets?

02:32:13.000 What were you thinking?

02:32:15.000 He said, Douglas, I followed my instincts.

02:32:18.000 And the thing is, instincts, they may sometimes lead you wrong, but they're the only thing that's ever led you right.

02:32:24.000 And I thought, that's such a cool insight about, yes, you're going to make some errors if you follow that.

02:32:32.000 And maybe you need a team around you or a friend to go, ah, not with that one.

02:32:39.000 But you just going, I think this guy's interesting.

02:32:42.000 I think this girl's interesting.

02:32:43.000 I think this topic's important.

02:32:45.000 And I'm going to talk about it.

02:32:46.000 Maybe he just did a bad job.

02:32:47.000 Like, look at Hamilton.

02:32:48.000 They did a rap about Alexander Hamilton.

02:32:50.000 It's fucking huge.

02:32:52.000 Okay, yeah.

02:32:53.000 So the delivery thing might have the great idea, but the delivery is wrong.

02:32:56.000 Yeah, that's an interesting one.

02:32:56.000 Yeah.

02:32:58.000 Totally.

02:32:59.000 If you think about Hamilton, like Hamilton is a great example.

02:33:02.000 That play is gigantic.

02:33:04.000 It's on Netflix now.

02:33:05.000 And it keeps on crushing.

02:33:06.000 Yeah, it's killing it.

02:33:07.000 And it's so preposterous if you think about it.

02:33:10.000 They're talking in modern language about a guy who lived hundreds of years ago.

02:33:16.000 Like, that doesn't even make any sense.

02:33:17.000 They have black people playing white people.

02:33:19.000 Like, this is going to be weird.

02:33:20.000 It's great.

02:33:22.000 Where do you think that drive comes from in people?

02:33:22.000 It's fucking great.

02:33:25.000 You know, that demon thing. 0.98

02:33:27.000 Is there a common thread that you've seen with the people that have got it?

02:33:30.000 Yeah.

02:33:31.000 Most of them had unhappy childhoods.

02:33:34.000 Yeah.

02:33:35.000 It's very rare that someone has like the best in the world demon and their childhood was awesome.

02:33:42.000 It's very rare.

02:33:44.000 Generally speaking, there's something there.

02:33:47.000 Some loss, some trauma, something not good, some lack of what you needed when you were young.

02:33:57.000 You didn't get it.

02:33:58.000 And, you know, and then you're like, I'm going to fucking show everyone.

02:34:02.000 Like Mike Tyson, maybe the best example of that ever.

02:34:04.000 Like for a period of time, the scariest heavyweight that ever walked the face of the planet.

02:34:09.000 And it redefined the heavyweight division in modern boxing.

02:34:12.000 And, you know, he was 13 years old when Customato had adopted him, and his life was hell before that.

02:34:18.000 It was hell.

02:34:18.000 It was no love.

02:34:19.000 It was crime and being around the worst people.

02:34:23.000 And then all of a sudden he's in the cat skills with this guy who's a psychologist and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time and also a hypnotist and is hypnotizing him on a regular basis when he's 13 years old and teaches him to be the best.

02:34:38.000 And so then he's got this, I will show you that I'm worth something.

02:34:42.000 I will show you that I'm special at this one thing that I'm good at, and that is separating men from their consciousness, finding a way to get in touch with them, finding, get close enough and launching, launching bombs and watching them drop.

02:34:56.000 And he was the best at it.

02:34:57.000 And it was, I think, the drive to be the best, it has to come from some, there's got to be something wrong where you have that fire inside of you.

02:35:08.000 I love thinking about this.

02:35:09.000 I think it's been the question that I've probably been the most obsessed by since doing the show, the price that people pay to be somebody that you admire.

02:35:18.000 And I think it's just endlessly interesting.

02:35:20.000 So one thing that comes to mind there is, do you know what the fundamental attribution error is?

02:35:27.000 It's like we attribute to other people motive for their action.

02:35:32.000 It's like their character.

02:35:33.000 But for us, it's situation.

02:35:34.000 So for instance, I cut you off in traffic because I'm late for work.

02:35:38.000 You cut me off in traffic because you're a dick.

02:35:40.000 Right.

02:35:41.000 So we have this asymmetry and how we judge other people's behaviors as opposed to our own.

02:35:46.000 I think that there's an equivalent here when we think about our parents.

02:35:50.000 So you could call it the fundamental parental attribution error, maybe, which would be we attribute to our parents our shortcomings, but not necessarily our strengths.

02:36:02.000 Right.

02:36:03.000 So we're very happy.

02:36:04.000 Like modern pop psychology, it's like a rite of passage to lay at the feet of our parents, I've got anxious attachment because nobody ever came to look after me.

02:36:12.000 You go, yeah, maybe, but also, isn't this the reason that your hypervigilance means that no one ever gets to take advantage of you?

02:36:20.000 It's like I am unable to relax and chill out because love was always predicated on me performing.

02:36:28.000 It's like, yes, but also it's driven you to be an incredibly successful person.

02:36:32.000 And I think we should just be a little bit cautious when laying at the feet of our parents only our shortcomings.

02:36:39.000 They can either have both.

02:36:41.000 You can either say that my strengths and my shortcomings come from my parents or my strengths and my shortcomings come from my own agency.

02:36:47.000 But you can't say I authored the things that I like about myself, but the things that I don't like about myself came from some past situation.

02:36:55.000 Yes.

02:36:56.000 Victim mentality.

02:36:57.000 Yeah.

02:36:57.000 Yes.

02:36:58.000 Yeah.

02:36:59.000 Yeah.

02:37:00.000 And also bad things that happened to you when you're a kid, being bullied.

02:37:04.000 Being bullied is terrible at the time, but it leads many a person to say, I'll fucking show you.

02:37:10.000 Yeah.

02:37:11.000 You know, and then you get this incredible result.

02:37:14.000 But then the thing is, like, are you happy?

02:37:18.000 That's the real dance.

02:37:19.000 The dance is between success and happiness.

02:37:21.000 And a lot of people have achieved success, but have not achieved happiness, and they'll die a loser.

02:37:27.000 Well, that's you sacrificing the thing you want for the thing that's supposed to get it.

02:37:30.000 And that's why I like, okay, what's your definition of success?

02:37:32.000 Interesting question.

02:37:32.000 Right.

02:37:33.000 Would you just want to be the best in the world?

02:37:36.000 Maybe, like, that's not bad.

02:37:37.000 That's not a bad.

02:37:40.000 It's this thing we talked about before, too, that just because something's difficult doesn't mean it's good.

02:37:47.000 And there's a lot of things that you do that are very difficult to do.

02:37:50.000 And then you see other people have achieved them.

02:37:52.000 You say, that must be really worthwhile.

02:37:54.000 And then you do it and you realize like, oh, this isn't worth anything.

02:37:57.000 This is just hard to do.

02:37:58.000 This sucks.

02:38:00.000 And that's often the case with success.

02:38:02.000 Because if you become incredibly successful and then you have all these haters and, you know, like the guy who wrote the shitty play, you know, like they come for you and they want to chop you down.

02:38:15.000 And that's part of the game that you're playing.

02:38:19.000 And if you don't like that, if you don't like that, but then you've gotten trapped in it and you're constantly being attacked and you listen to it and you pay attention to it.

02:38:26.000 So you're in.

02:38:27.000 You see it with successful people.

02:38:28.000 You see it really with famous people, especially young people.

02:38:31.000 They have no history with this.

02:38:33.000 And then all of a sudden it's just thrown at them.

02:38:35.000 And then they are both the thing they wanted and something they would never want, which is to be like constantly under attack.

02:38:43.000 I've thought about how brutal it must be to have the talent, but not the constitution to be able to handle success and fame.

02:38:52.000 So I don't know whether you've been tracking Louis Capaldi, the Scottish singer.

02:38:57.000 So there's a great documentary on Netflix.

02:38:59.000 You've got to watch it.

02:39:00.000 How I'm feeling now.

02:39:01.000 It's a bit old now.

02:39:02.000 It's like maybe four or five years old.

02:39:04.000 Louis Capaldi breaks onto the scene, unbelievable voice.

02:39:07.000 He's been playing working men's pubs around Scotland and is just a fucking phenom.

02:39:13.000 Billions of streams, billions and billions of plays, arena tour, global tour, all the rest of it.

02:39:18.000 COVID happens.

02:39:20.000 He's back in his mum and dad's house near Glasgow in Scotland.

02:39:24.000 And he's in the hut out the back trying to do the difficult second album.

02:39:29.000 And there's the pressure of the world on him.

02:39:31.000 Now, he's got the talent, but the pressure from agencies, from record label, from fans, from himself, from his parents, from his peers, from everybody starts to get on him.

02:39:43.000 It weighs on him so heavily that he develops a tick.

02:39:46.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:39:47.000 Like Tourette's.

02:39:48.000 It turns out he's always had Tourette's, but the pressure has caused him to, like, he can't perform.

02:39:55.000 And toward the end of the documentary, he goes back out on stage at the O2 in London, does the thing, walks out on stage, and he's still doing this.

02:40:04.000 And he've tracked this whole journey.

02:40:05.000 This is toward the end.

02:40:06.000 And he can't get his words out.

02:40:09.000 This is his calling in life.

02:40:12.000 This is what he was built to do.

02:40:14.000 This is what he was made for.

02:40:16.000 And his talent has been taken away from him by the pressure of trying to do the thing, not by his inability to do the thing.

02:40:23.000 And this is such a fucking unique kind of hell.

02:40:26.000 Like, think about that.

02:40:27.000 I think about fighters that have performance anxiety that just can't get themselves into the octagon with the lights on them.

02:40:35.000 Put them in the training camp.

02:40:37.000 They're sparring.

02:40:38.000 There's not that same amount of pressure, not yet.

02:40:41.000 And they're unbelievable.

02:40:44.000 And Louis Capaldi did Glastonbury, I think, two years ago.

02:40:47.000 And the same thing happened.

02:40:49.000 Comes out on stage and basically can't sing.

02:40:52.000 You're hearing these little croaks and squeaks come out of him.

02:40:55.000 And then this year, he comes back out.

02:40:57.000 He's done a ton of mindfulness, got his health in order, mental health work, therapy, comes out and just fucking destroys it.

02:41:06.000 Oh, wow.

02:41:07.000 Dude, it's like, it makes the hairs on my arms stand off.

02:41:10.000 It's so fucking cool.

02:41:11.000 Wow, that's awesome.

02:41:12.000 That's a great story.

02:41:14.000 That's what I like to see.

02:41:15.000 I like to see someone who fucks their whole life up and gets it back together again.

02:41:18.000 I love that.

02:41:19.000 I really do.

02:41:20.000 Because I think that's what people really root for.

02:41:24.000 They really root for you to get it back together again.

02:41:27.000 What they don't root for is once you're on top, like staying on top.

02:41:30.000 They like you to fall.

02:41:31.000 Yeah, that's a little too much.

02:41:33.000 Well, I mean, I think, especially with what most people feel, they want to see a little bit of themselves in that story, and they want to see a little bit of struggle.

02:41:42.000 Right.

02:41:43.000 And they also know that they've fucked up their life because everybody's fucked up their life at some point in time.

02:41:46.000 Redemption.

02:41:47.000 Yes.

02:41:48.000 If this person can be there and lose it and then come back.

02:41:52.000 Maybe I can get my shit together.

02:41:53.000 That's the problem.

02:41:54.000 As a 42-year-old alcoholic.

02:41:56.000 Yeah, you're not going to be Louis Capaldi, but.

02:41:58.000 Maybe you are.

02:41:59.000 Maybe you're Oliver Anthony.

02:42:01.000 You know, Churchill didn't get into power until he was 65.

02:42:05.000 Wow.

02:42:06.000 So all of my life up until now would be less than two-thirds of the warm-up set for Churchill starting his thing.

02:42:15.000 Right.

02:42:16.000 So I just, you never know sort of when this stuff's going to come along.

02:42:19.000 I do love, though, the idea of watching somebody climb to the top, lose it, and then turn it back around again.

02:42:26.000 I think it's just such a fucking wonderful idea.

02:42:28.000 We all love that.

02:42:29.000 But I think it's because we try to see some of ourselves in someone, which is why we don't like things that are created by a corporation where they put together a band like the monkeys or something like that and fake it.

02:42:41.000 Nepotism, Silver Spoon Baby.

02:42:43.000 We hate all of that.

02:42:44.000 We hate all of that.

02:42:44.000 We hate all the people handed their life on a silver platter.

02:42:48.000 If it feels like somebody didn't earn it.

02:42:50.000 Yeah.

02:42:51.000 Yeah.

02:42:54.000 I worry about where motivation comes from for people in a way.

02:42:59.000 If you are able to game the system, which people are now, they can like speedrun relatability and authenticity.

02:43:06.000 But you don't know if this is some K-pop thing that's some industry plant style scenario that's just been placed together to try and get this, give you a sense of resonance with this person that doesn't deserve it.

02:43:20.000 They didn't actually struggle in that sort of a way, but they can construct the narrative that they did.

02:43:24.000 And I think in a world that's become increasingly prefabricated, like people are looking, they're scrutinizing very aggressively.

02:43:32.000 Is this person who they say they are?

02:43:34.000 This is the hypocrisy that points out that they're not.

02:43:36.000 Right, right.

02:43:37.000 And that's where you get performative vulnerability.

02:43:39.000 Oh, woe is me. 1.00

02:43:41.000 They pretend to not pretend to have Tourette's, although I'm sure some people do.

02:43:46.000 They pretend they're struggling.

02:43:47.000 Correct.

02:43:48.000 Yeah.

02:43:48.000 Because I need the sympathy vote.

02:43:50.000 Yeah.

02:43:53.000 Yeah.

02:43:53.000 Ugh.

02:43:54.000 Isn't that an interesting thing?

02:43:55.000 Well, the real problem was when someone pretends and you catch them pretending like that, then you're never going to trust them again.

02:43:59.000 You could fail.

02:44:01.000 You can fail and fuck up.

02:44:02.000 You could think you got it right and you got it wrong and you just, oh, fuck.

02:44:06.000 But if you pretend, if you lie, if you show deception, if you pretend you're something that you're not and they find out like Ellen, you know, she's a nice lady.

02:44:17.000 She's all dancing.

02:44:18.000 Meanwhile, she's fucking screaming at people and mean. 1.00

02:44:20.000 Yep.

02:44:21.000 You know, that's like, oh, you were lying.

02:44:25.000 That is fucking catnip to people.

02:44:27.000 Ooh, they love it.

02:44:28.000 Yeah.

02:44:29.000 Well, there's nothing that the internet wants more than to find somebody that's a hypocrite.

02:44:32.000 Sure.

02:44:33.000 Right.

02:44:33.000 Because the internet is basically one big spot the difference competition.

02:44:36.000 You said this thing here, you behaved this way here.

02:44:39.000 Right.

02:44:40.000 I can compare the two.

02:44:41.000 You have fallen short.

02:44:42.000 Like, and the fucking jury comes down and smashes you in the head.

02:44:45.000 It's also because we crave authenticity.

02:44:48.000 We wish we had it.

02:44:49.000 We crave it in other people.

02:44:51.000 We want, like, we're all trying to, we're watching all these different people, like this guy play golf and that guy play music and watching all these people do all these different things and we're we're getting something out of it all.

02:45:04.000 There's a reason why you like that thing on Netflix.

02:45:06.000 It's like the there's it fuels the human condition.

02:45:10.000 It gives you happiness.

02:45:11.000 It's like it's some there's some In a genuine moment like that, it's like a very special element that it adds to your life.

02:45:19.000 And we crave that.

02:45:21.000 And it's hard to know what's real and what's not real.

02:45:24.000 That's why people get mad at me when I say like AI music.

02:45:28.000 Like, I know.

02:45:29.000 I know it's not real.

02:45:30.000 I still like it.

02:45:32.000 But I don't like it the same way I like listening to Johnny Cash thing hurt.

02:45:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:38.000 It's like there's an authenticity to that.

02:45:40.000 There's a real thing to that.

02:45:42.000 That's like, it's very tangible.

02:45:44.000 There's an upper bound on it.

02:45:44.000 It's different.

02:45:46.000 I certainly think I'm friends with a lot of musicians.

02:45:49.000 And one of the issues I think that they have with the AI revolution, apart from the fact that they're coming for our jobs, which is obvious, is that learning a musical instrument is really fucking hard.

02:46:00.000 And it takes a very long time.

02:46:03.000 I think that the revolution for podcasting has made it fucking fantastic for people to feel less lonely and have exposure to conversations and information they never would have done.

02:46:14.000 But anybody that sticks a microphone in front of them can record a podcast.

02:46:19.000 It may be a totally shit podcast, but if you give me a guitar, I can't make notes come out of it.

02:46:25.000 So the bar that you need to get over to just be acceptably proficient enough to be able to do to have the conversation, right?

02:46:33.000 Everybody does what is equivalent of a podcast.

02:46:34.000 Everybody that has never recorded a podcast has had a great conversation over dinner and gone, dude, if we recorded that, that would have got millions of players on YouTube, right?

02:46:42.000 So everyone is a little bit closer to this.

02:46:45.000 And I think that one of the issues that the music industry or musicians within the industry have is that AI feels like it's allowing people to leapfrog the first very long, very boring, very grindy stage of, well, this is where your fucking fingers need to go on the saxophone.

02:47:00.000 Or this is how you need to pick the strings in order to make the sound come out of the guitar.

02:47:06.000 And if you leapfrog it, that feels like a little bit like a technology-enabled nepotism in a way.

02:47:11.000 You've got yourself toward the end.

02:47:13.000 You shouldn't be able to make this.

02:47:14.000 This is like a guarded and highly invested.

02:47:17.000 I mean, you guys see this in comedy.

02:47:19.000 In comedy, you're like, dude, until you're eight, like the first seven years, like they're just you earning your keep and then you're eight, whatever it is, like it's a thousand shows.

02:47:26.000 And once you've done a thousand spots, then you can say that you've started doing comedy or whatever it is.

02:47:30.000 For podcasting, I think it's like 150 episodes.

02:47:32.000 Before anyone that asks me, like, I'm beginning my podcast and what's your advice?

02:47:36.000 And I'm like, once episode 150 starts, you have begun doing a podcast.

02:47:40.000 Up until then, it's basically a warm-up set.

02:47:43.000 And I think with music, because it's such a high investment that people need to have at the very, very beginning, this sense that there is a shortcut that allows people who haven't earned their way to get there.

02:47:56.000 It would be like if you were using AI to write comedy sets.

02:47:58.000 Yeah, and I think you're correct.

02:48:00.000 But I also think that's probably what Lions felt when people invented guns.

02:48:06.000 Like, this is bullshit.

02:48:08.000 I've been chasing you motherfuckers down and eating you for thousands of years.

02:48:11.000 Now all of a sudden you just squeeze your little finger and I die instantaneously.

02:48:15.000 That's bullshit.

02:48:17.000 It's coming.

02:48:19.000 It's coming.

02:48:20.000 It's coming in all forms of entertainment.

02:48:22.000 They've figured out what you like.

02:48:24.000 They've got a giant catalog of billions of hours of human beings paying attention to things.

02:48:29.000 And it's coming.

02:48:30.000 It's coming.

02:48:31.000 It's going to overwhelm you.

02:48:32.000 And it's going to be indiscernible from reality eventually.

02:48:34.000 It's going to be something that you physically experience as well as visual and audio.

02:48:41.000 You're going to have the whole experience.

02:48:43.000 We'd better enjoy ourselves while we can.

02:48:44.000 Yeah, have fun while you can.

02:48:47.000 Chris, I appreciate you very much.

02:48:48.000 It's always awesome talking to you.

02:48:50.000 Your podcast is excellent.

02:48:52.000 Tell everybody where they can get it, where they can find you.

02:48:55.000 Modern Wisdom on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, Chris Williamson on YouTube, et cetera, et cetera.

02:49:00.000 I appreciate the fuck out of you, man.

02:49:01.000 I appreciate the fuck out of you too, brother.

02:49:03.000 It's always good talking to you.

02:49:04.000 It's always fun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 26, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2418 - Chris Williamson

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript