Tony Hinchcliffe joins the show to talk about his journey to becoming a professional wrestler, how he got into the business, and why he thinks pro wrestling should be taught in Mandarin. He also talks about how he learned to speak the language and why it was important for him to learn it.
00:02:35.000I mean, I've been able to lucky enough to perform everywhere from like Moscow, Philippines, South Africa, Bangor, Maine, every place in between, except China.
00:02:45.000China was like the one place that didn't understand what we did.
00:02:49.000So it's literally like it's a universal language because you can turn, it's like UFC.
00:02:54.000Like you turn the volume down, but you can see like, oh, this is two guys, best guy wins.
00:03:09.000It was my idea, but the WWE offers, and I think they still offer it.
00:03:12.000They offer a free second language program.
00:03:15.000So like when they rolled out the initiative of like financial advice and, you know, they'll pay for portions of your secondary education and free second language.
00:03:25.000This is like 2011, 2012, big talent meeting and like an auditorium.
00:03:30.000I'm one of the old guys of the time sitting in the front being like, these kids don't know how good they have it.
00:03:34.000I should stand up and tell them to be like, no, fuck that.
00:03:37.000I'm actually going to lead by example and take a language.
00:03:41.000So I signed up right then, then and there for Chinese because I wanted to get us into China.
00:04:16.000It's wild how like expansive the pro wrestling business is that they would be that open-minded to say like let's let's give second language programs to the athletes.
00:04:30.000Well, you know, I just it's it's weird.
00:04:32.000The origins of the business are carnival related.
00:04:35.000It is like a carnival attraction and then it was like ruthlessly territorial.
00:04:40.000And then when it became national, it was still trying to find its way.
00:04:42.000It's almost like you see pro sports doing it.
00:04:44.000You know, the more a sport succeeds, the more benefits they offer to their competitors and athletes.
00:04:50.000So, you know, WWE kind of hit that stride.
00:08:01.000It's a skill that I have, but it's a skill that's going to remain with me because I don't have the depth of field to know what to call that place in that region of the world.
00:08:11.000And I haven't done enough research and I don't have the wisdom and I don't have like the cultural fluency, you know?
00:08:25.000Man, I thought, like, I was filming Peacemaker season one, and when they came out with all of this stuff, I went directly to James Gunn and was like, hey, man, if you have to fire me, I understand.
00:08:49.000Like when you do these press tours, let's say if I'm doing a movie for Warner Brothers, let's say, let's use Peacemaker as an example.
00:08:55.000I'm doing a global Peacemaker tour and we go into China or we go into South America.
00:09:01.000You meet like the PR person there and they have all the stuff you're supposed to do and they curate your experience and they hold your hand and you're like, okay, now we're going to go to this station.
00:09:08.000And by the way, they just want you to do some shout outs.
00:09:11.000So anytime I go anywhere globally now, as much as I want to thank fans for their attention and investing in the product, I really shy away from speaking the language because I don't understand the cultural nuance.
00:09:26.000I just want to be like, yo, man, thanks for watching what we do.
00:09:28.000And I love the fact that you're entertained, but I want to speak to you at a level that I understand that I'm fluent because your boots on the ground here every day.
00:09:35.000And I might say something that's a nice gesture, but completely fucking offend you.
00:10:07.000So I was like, man, I could send all these messages in Mandarin and more people will know about this movie and more people will know about me and more people will know about wrestling and more people will be excited.
00:10:24.000It's probably a PR's assistant assistant that's typed that's probably in charge of doing the grunt work of typing in all the different languages and the different countries.
00:10:35.000From what I know, I know I'm going to learn a lot about you guys in this episode, but from what I know about you, you're into looking at things through different lenses and different perspectives.
00:10:44.000It also could have been somebody being like, I'm going to get this kid.
00:16:00.000And just because he did start, quote unquote, all this gangster shit, that doesn't mean he doesn't need to be accountable for his actions.
00:16:09.000So let's figure out what that means and then figure out if we can move forward and bring that back in the fold or if it stays the way it is.
00:17:40.000A lot of the stuff you probably ask today, I'll be like, that's way above my pay grade.
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00:21:21.000Like, we had talked during the old days.
00:21:24.000Like, we would talk in the green room.
00:21:25.000I'd be like, that would be your ultimate dream job.
00:21:29.000Like, to make it as a comedian and somehow be involved in the UFC the way I, or excuse me, in WWE, the way I'm involved in the UFC, like very similarly.
00:24:15.000And I wanted to, like, that was the center of the fitness universe in 99, 2000.
00:24:21.000So like all equipment manufacturers were there.
00:24:23.000I'm like, man, I'll go get a job with Hammer Strength or a Cybex or like maybe Golds or like put that piece of paper on the wall to like get a good paying job.
00:25:37.000Crazy thing is he got addicted to pills while he was doing that because he had surgery while he was doing that and got addicted to pills while he's making a fucking documentary on people being addicted to pills.
00:32:41.000The left one was brutal because they take a slice out of your patella tendon and then they could take a chunk out of your shin bone and a chunk out of your kneecap.
00:32:49.000And then they use those to screw this new tendon that they created into the shin bone and into your thigh bone.
00:33:35.000And it's also, it's like you feel better before you are better, unfortunately, because the way the tendon works, so when they replace a tendon with a cadaver, it's not like you have this guy's tendon in your body.
00:33:47.000What it is like is that tendon is a scaffolding.
00:33:50.000And then your body reproliferates that with your own cells.
00:33:54.000So over the course of six months, my body had filled in all of what used to be a cadaver with my own cells.
00:34:02.000So you'll feel like it's better before it's better.
00:34:06.000So a lot of MMA fighters, they start training too quickly and they blow it out again because it's still soft.
00:36:25.000And I think that there's a lot maybe to do with the pain conversation there, of like just flat out getting your ass kicked and then being able to dust yourself off and be like, I'll get you next time.
00:36:44.000You know, like, if you don't have that in your life, also, if you don't know what it feels like to get your ass kicked, you get a little mouthy.
00:36:51.000I mean, how many mouthy people do we know that have never been fucked up?
00:37:02.000If it actually comes down to it, and we've all seen many of these videos on the internet where someone just don't, they don't know what the fuck they're asking for or what they're getting into.
00:37:10.000And then all of a sudden they're getting hit.
00:37:13.000And there are days where I'm short of patience, but when it gets to that weird spot of like, yo, someone's going to get hit in the face, I always try to like lean on diplomacy.
00:39:21.000I know that age-old stat that everybody says about like the average NFL career is what, two and a half years or three and a half years.
00:39:28.000I don't know what the stat is on average UFC career.
00:39:31.000Like how long, what's your window to be functionally profitable in UFC?
00:39:37.000But I know because our risks are calculated and we're working together rather than against each other, the math is way higher for you to have like a 10, 15, 20 year career in WWE.
00:39:50.000But that also is 10 more years of falling down, 15 more years of falling down.
00:40:43.000I've gotten to work with a lot of stand-ups and WWE is kind of changing.
00:40:47.000I would say it's on the progression of a stand-up making it to just like a stadium tour.
00:40:52.000But man, when I performed, my sweet spot, we ran very parallel lives.
00:40:58.000Like you, I've worked every city, Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom to Madison Square Garden, like to the Saitama Super Arena to AT ⁇ T Stadium to Bangor, Maine, or to Valparaiso, Indiana.
00:41:10.000Like you, you go to all of these places and it's like Friday you're in one place, Saturday you're in another place, Sunday you're in another place, Monday you're in another place, Tuesday you're in another place, one day to drop your shit, one day to catch your flight out, do it again.
00:41:22.000Like it's, it's, it's kind of, we, we're kind of like touring stand-ups in that regard.
00:41:44.000Which is awesome because you create, people are really independent when they, when they go through that fire and you weed out the people who don't want to be there.
00:41:51.000Yeah, because it's just the sheer work, the sheer workload.
00:41:54.000Taking those clubs and like making, doing a tour.
00:42:28.000Like even your friends, like you, you really, as a touring comic, the best thing that I ever did is start taking friends with me on the road instead of just working with like random guys that I didn't know in different towns.
00:42:46.000Eight out of 10 times, you're with some annoying alcoholic who fucking sucks and they're annoying and then they want to take you someplace and you get in trouble.
00:43:58.000So like the dream job of like, man, I never, the six-year-old kid holding the paper belt can be an adult holding the real belt and get shekels for doing that.
00:44:07.000And I don't ever want to, I don't want to put that in jeopardy.
00:44:09.000So you fuckers are going to have to get in line and we're just going to have to go.
00:44:12.000Like, you know, I was absent a lot in relationships because if it wasn't on my terms, it didn't exist.
00:44:21.000You know, because here you got, you catch lightning out of a jar.
00:44:24.000I'm a kid from West Newberry who's, you know, come from a family of five and there's always more broke, but man, we were a good level of broke.
00:44:34.000And then now, like, hey, if you just work hard at this thing, you can kind of not ever be that again.
00:44:43.000But that comes with, hey, I'm getting married or like my grandfather died or I got a birthday coming up or like, hey, man, you missed another Thanksgiving.
00:44:52.000You're damn right I did because I'm doing the thing.
00:46:54.000It's interesting because it must weed out so many talented people.
00:46:58.000There's probably a lot of talented people that you've seen over the years that just didn't have that drive to constantly improve and succeed and really be thinking about what they're doing all the time.
00:47:08.000I like that statement because I think the talent is doing it all.
00:47:32.000But that's not the only attribute that makes one special.
00:47:36.000You may be a great joke writer, but man, if you don't master stage presence, I mean, you may be a great joke writer with stage presence, but if you can't lug the tour, you're not talented for it.
00:47:53.000So when someone with great athletic ability decides that it's not for them, because eventually that is one thing about WWE, for all the arguments of like backstage politico, everybody understands the sound of money and no one refuses it.
00:48:12.000Like, I fucking hate this guy, but I got to give him another match.
00:48:17.000It may not be, but I now have to give him a 10-year contract.
00:48:20.000But when they go out there, if the noise is there, even if the they's fucking hate you, you get another match.
00:48:28.000I'm proof positive of that meritocracy at work.
00:48:41.000So I didn't ruffle any feathers when I kind of entered the business, kept quiet, did my stuff, but I also didn't connect with the audience.
00:48:50.000And I don't know, maybe you guys see this in stand-up or not, but then I got like a personality of like the white rap guy, like the white hip-hop guy.
00:50:20.000And I think I'm thinking for somebody, but I think from his perspective is like when I hear somebody's idea for a personality, man, I want to be this sports agent guy or whatever.
00:50:31.000Oh, yo, I have the idea of what that is in my head.
00:50:35.000And if their projection of that idea doesn't match my projection of that idea, I'm like, ah, fuck, I hate it.
00:50:42.000So I think what maybe would happen was my perspective of the white hip-hop guy from the mean street of West Newberry and Vince's perspective of John Cena, the rapper, we probably missed.
00:50:56.000Like he had an idea and I had an idea.
00:51:00.000And usually he will craft it to his vision.
00:51:03.000I got to give him respect for allowing me to kind of run with it, you know?
00:51:08.000Well, it's probably that fear of being fired that like keeps you on the edge.
00:51:56.000Like, that's the one time they get the whole group together is overseas because you don't want to be herding cats like in Amsterdam or something.
00:52:04.000So like to pass the time, the boys just do whatever.
00:52:07.000And they were freestyling on the back of the bus.
00:52:09.000And I normally just fucking kept to myself because I was raised in the environment of like, keep your ears open, keep your mouth shut, don't do anything unless spoken to.
00:52:17.000So I did that, but I also didn't make any connections with people who were putting their lives on the line for me.
00:52:24.000You know, some of the guys you really beat the shit out of in the rings are like your best friends.
00:52:30.000So I didn't have any of those connections.
00:54:43.000It's like, this stuff is so simple, but it's the if you take out the crowd in that situation and just put those three guys, it is really fucked up what we do.
00:54:53.000But when you add the audience in the back and all of their faces and what's going on, that's what makes bro.
00:56:11.000Yeah, I have a degree in pro wrestling, but my master's is in healdum.
00:56:17.000Like, it's like the bad, I just love a bad guy.
00:56:21.000And even ever since that bad guy turned, I feel like, and I feel like most bad guy fans do, now newly connected with the Back to the Return of the Good Guy Cena.
00:56:47.000Everyone else for four hours coming out with colorful music and pyro and all this stuff.
00:56:53.000And there's the guy that normally did it the best and the biggest, just really not giving a fuck.
00:56:59.000And WrestleMania, if you're going to do it, like you'd give your best entrance for WrestleMania.
00:57:04.000And this was, I guess we were going for the shittiest one.
00:57:08.000But it just rang the opposite and simple and true.
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00:58:45.000So I think that's, and I've been lucky enough to kind of take this perspective of not knowing everything and realizing that even with 23 years of fluency, I'm not the smartest guy in the room.
00:58:58.000I don't know the technology they have and what they can do.
00:59:01.000Now, granted, a black LED board, I could probably come up with that.
00:59:05.000But what I like to do is lean on my resources.
00:59:09.000Like, hey, let's go to production and see what production is thinking.
00:59:13.000And I don't want to tell them what to do because I want to hear their ideas first.
00:59:18.000And production was like, what if we just went basic?
00:59:37.000I don't have enough depth of field to touch all the bases, but I will go to every department and say, okay, entrance is a big part of what we do.
01:00:05.000But it's, I think it's getting, we have a lot of talented people and just allowing them to do their job and let you know, like, oh, I was kind of thinking this.
01:00:12.000And then tell them, like, yeah, that's a good idea.
01:00:16.000Because I don't know what I miss if I'm making all the demands.
01:00:19.000To show you the contrast, his opponent that night came out to, I think it was 40 people on red, white, and blue derby bikes all dressed like American people.
01:00:47.000It's so funny hearing Tony talk about this because for people who don't know, the way Tony runs Kill Tony is basically a version of a WWE event.
01:01:07.000I mean, even the thing we did with Shane when Shane was playing, when Shane was playing Trump, when Trump and I were supposedly feuding online, Trump had said something about me online.
01:01:16.000And then Trump's talking shit, like as Shane's talking shit, and then the music plays and I show up behind him.
01:02:44.000Like, what man, when comics just go out and light up a stage and they have that fucking stage presence and they just slay a set, the fucking audience is rolling in the aisles.
01:02:52.000Like, you let them in, and they can help make a joke that might not hit the night before slay.
01:03:02.000It's all about being there and reading the people.
01:03:05.000And the fun thing about WWE is you can go out there with an idea.
01:03:10.000And I can only imagine this as kind of like stand-up, where if you got your set and you tell the first joke to crickets, you may try another joke.
01:03:17.000And if that's crickets, you got to fucking pivot.
01:04:01.000That's why Tony's so interested in the coordination of it all and the setting and the sabotage and all the chaos that's involved in all of that.
01:04:09.000These are human emotions that are universal.
01:04:48.000And up to that day, that moment, like, even that thing that we were just telling you about, me bringing him coming out, that being a reveal, him bringing up Diaz was coordinated literally, I think, 15 minutes before.
01:05:04.000Literally, me with a big piece of paper going, hey, Joe, what if we did this?
01:05:24.000Whereas with almost, you know, every form of entertainment that we're used to other than wrestling and like kind of, you know, Kill Tony in this instance, everything's so pre-planned that if we over pre-planned it, we wouldn't have had the topical RFK endorsement because it was like news that day.
01:07:17.000I go, hopefully, hopefully, the guy gets pulled out of the bucket in a month or two, has a great set, puts it together, realizes his timing was off.
01:09:20.000And like it is the man, if you're a stud in Pewee Football League, then you go to this junior high school and then you're the number one player in college and then you're the number one number one player in high school and number one player in college eke out a spot in the NFL and then a year later you're gone because the funnel just gets so thin like WWE has like 200 personnel in their NXT development program right now Maybe 10 will make it.
01:09:47.000And of those 10, like really, honestly, maybe one will make it.
01:09:52.000And what the hope is, is over a six-year period of those classes of 200 that get matriculated probably every four months.
01:10:09.000Because my top guy right now, my Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes and the Charlotte Flairs and Becky Lynches of the world, like they'll, they'll last half a decade to draw.
01:10:20.000Maybe if we're lucky, maybe we'll get it more.
01:10:23.000They can, you know, maybe parlay it into a decade or two.
01:12:36.000Anyway, Dominic Mysterio's in a triple threat match.
01:12:39.000And his whole thing is he's wrestling royalty.
01:12:42.000He's Rey Mysterio's son, but he claims that he might be Eddie Guerrero's son because his father's one of the ultimate good guys of all time.
01:12:52.000So basically, he takes on the traits of Eddie Guerrero, whose whole thing was cheating and lying and stealing, breaking the rules in original ways all the time.
01:13:05.000And he's doing a triple threat match, which means there's three guys at once, right?
01:13:10.000But if someone beats anybody, you could lose your belt.
01:13:15.000And his intercontinental championship thinks intercontinental, right?
01:13:17.000Is on the line and he gets thrown outside the ring.
01:17:11.000So that the business model has kind of changed where media content is king now.
01:17:17.000So from what I understand from TKO, and I know their executives will correct me, but from my perspective, we have scaled back on the live event only offerings, which helps, you know, lick the wounds.
01:17:32.000Like you don't bump enough or you don't bump as much, but you kind of need to get in there and bump to get your callus and to get your wind and timing.
01:17:38.000So it's kind of, you get your signals crossed.
01:17:41.000But anyhow, the content that is provided is always available for media or 99%, where it used to be the opposite.
01:17:49.000We used to do like four live shows, one TV taping.
01:17:53.000So you'd have four live shows under your match.
01:17:57.000You know, you'd do like Lafayette, Little Rock, Pensacola, and then TV in Orlando.
01:18:04.000You know, and that would be the end of the run.
01:18:06.000And then you'd do it again of like Bangor, Portsmouth, Providence, TV in Boston.
01:18:12.000You know, like, and then you'd go for another week and go somewhere else.
01:18:17.000It's like every piece is televised for the media, which is great because we get a lot out to our fans across the world.
01:18:24.000But like I learned, I learned how to fail in those non-televised events.
01:18:28.000I could take big swings because it's like, man, if I'm on the middle of a card in Valparaiso and I kind of fuck up in a gymnasium with 3,500 people, they might tell me to fuck off, but there's also the last match that's going to send them home happy.
01:19:17.000Like he's, he's the only one of those guys who will, or very few of those guys will stand on an idea like that.
01:19:23.000Where the other guys are like, no, I want to have a good choreographed performance because I want my stuff to look good because it's on television and going around the world.
01:19:30.000You know, I loved the non-televised events, but there's just, there's not, there's not, it's not a good business model.
01:19:37.000So how does a young person coming up now learn how to fail?
01:19:42.000That is, I think, a conundrum that we're facing because you're failing in front of the world.
01:20:21.000I think it can because analytics show that it does work and we have a lot of people watching now.
01:20:26.000But from my perspective, I really enjoyed the carefree nature of just going out and being ready for anything and it being okay if I fucked up and I failed, if I told some bad jokes.
01:20:40.000I could come back and be like, that didn't work.
01:26:35.000But man, the sleep is a little more sound at night knowing like in learning this lesson or having this opportunity, fuck, dude, I kind of trampled on your shit and I'm so sorry.
01:26:47.000Like I had such a shitty relationship with my dad.
01:26:50.000And just recently we've mended fences and he's 80.
01:26:52.000So I'm glad I've done this because I mean, we don't last forever.
01:26:55.000He's going, we're all going in the dirt soon, you know?
01:26:58.000But I just wanted him to be something else.
01:27:01.000I always wanted that motherfucker to change.
01:27:07.000The hard thing is meeting that guy where he's at.
01:27:09.000The hard thing is allowing him to be who he is.
01:27:13.000Take the weight off my backpack and say like, yo, I might have needed you to be this in my life, but because you weren't, man, because of your absence in being the dad that I had in my mind, I got all these fucking cool male mentors who gave me a key to the gym at 15 and said, you better fucking be here in the morning.
01:27:34.000And like, dude, I still can feel a key in my hand from Dave Nock, the dean of students at Cushing Academy, who bet on me.
01:27:41.000He was like, man, if you get your grades from C's to A's and you play two varsity sports, this place costs in 94.
01:28:05.000My roommate was a basketball player from Compton.
01:28:07.000And then we got kids with generational wealth who they're naming buildings after.
01:28:11.000But when it's just like 450 kids in a social experiment, money goes away and you just, you, you just kick it.
01:28:17.000So I learned to be friends with everybody, but I wouldn't have learned that in West Newbury where it's 99.9% white, 1,200 people in the small town, no stoplights.
01:29:17.000I've learned about what he wants to do with his life, why he does what he does, maybe what he wanted to do, dreams he didn't have, so I can gain wisdom from there.
01:29:24.000But it's just, that's the hard part is like getting out of your own fucking way to do the thing you really want to do.
01:29:32.000The easy thing to do is to hold a grudge against my dad.
01:29:34.000What I really wanted to do was tell my dad I love him and sit down with him and be like, yo, let's fucking break bread.
01:29:55.000I mean, it's more like Major League Baseball.
01:29:57.000I'm hoping 300 gets me in the Hall of Fame.
01:29:59.000Like, if I can capitalize on 30% of the moments that life gives me and squander the other 70%, I believe I will go into the ground being like, man, I earned life.
01:30:10.000If you can capitalize on 30% of the moments, you are in the 1% of human beings that have ever lived.
01:31:55.000You know, and I don't need to be the most decorated person, but it's weird because in not even trying, I have a resume that people will now measure up against like, well, that's, you got to win X amount to pass the hurdle.
01:32:53.000Like I did all sorts of shit, you know, but because it was never about like, I'm not a success unless I'm in the main event of WrestleMania.
01:33:03.000No, that's just a position with a ton of stress.
01:33:05.000Just fucking get me out in the course.
01:33:59.000I went from arrive in a town at noon, work out, get a good meal in, crush the show, have some beers on the ride to the next town, fall asleep, do it all again.
01:34:10.000And it's like this whirlwind of electricity to, okay, you're in hair and makeup at six o'clock.
01:37:03.000But it's basically the pivot happened when I was like, yo, if you just invest in this, the hustle and patience you put into wrestling, at least you know you gave it your all.
01:37:17.000You know, be coachable, be professional, be reliable, be interested, and see where the chips fly and fucking say yes.
01:37:25.000Well, it's also you had the Objectivity, like the introspective objectivity to look at your past performances and say, I wasn't really in there.
01:38:03.000And just because you're around people who do comedy for a living, all we need is three seconds, and we'll be patient enough to give you what you need to give us that three seconds.
01:39:43.000So when if I'm a talent who's on TV and finally got one of those spots and edged my way in, do I, is this the right time to leverage taking myself off of TV to do four months on something that isn't going to come out for another 18 months?
01:39:58.000And then I got to go back to TV hoping people still care, that my ring work is still polished, that I still have my finger on the pulse.
01:40:05.000Like it's, it is, we can get in our own way sometimes.
01:47:54.000I was thinking, I was talking to my buddy the other day, Peter Shore, the owner of the comedy store.
01:47:59.000And I was telling him about how just a few weeks ago, because now that I have a place that I like and a car that I like and a job and everything, everything's finally, it appears how I have always considered what the dream is.
01:48:16.000That I was saying to my buddy the other day, who I came up with, who I really started with, and I'm talking about like 14, 16-hour days at the comedy store.
01:48:25.000I'd answer the phone at 11 a.m. because back then they didn't even have a website.
01:48:32.000Work all night, put on the t-shirt at 8 p.m., tear tickets and check IDs until 2:30 in the morning.
01:48:39.000So I would hit overtime by like Wednesday or Thursday, but they couldn't pay overtime because the comedy store in 2007 was half to quarter empty.
01:48:49.000Anyway, so they would cut my hours and I was paying $400 a month to sleep on my buddy's couch in his living room.
01:48:57.000And he had a bedroom and my other buddy, Maddie, had a bedroom.
01:49:00.000But Sandy was like, you know, he was like, the apartment was registered in his name.
01:49:05.000And I mean, terrible couch, terrible setup.
01:49:08.000I'd have to go through one of their bedrooms to go to the bathroom.
01:49:11.000So if you have to pee in the middle of the night, you're kind of tiptoeing through.
01:49:17.000You don't know what you're going to see, whatever.
01:49:19.000And I was talking to Matt a month or so ago, and I go, I think I still owe Sandy a little bit of rent money because I just simply didn't have it back then.
01:49:43.000I Venmo'd him a thousand bucks out of nowhere.
01:49:46.000And I go 2007 rent money as the as the memo part of it.
01:49:53.000And he hits me up saying thanks and we're communicating.
01:49:56.000And then I remembered that at one point I couldn't even afford the $400 a month for the couch.
01:50:04.000And there was another comedian that was a door guy at the store that did have the $400 a month because he was getting help from his parents.
01:50:09.000So I got downgraded to a bean bag for like a month or two.
01:52:57.000Oh, so much sweeter if you do it that way.
01:52:59.000I mean, if you were a Trust Fund kid and you had plenty of money and your parents gave you $100,000 a year to go out and pursue your dreams and they paid for your apartment.
01:53:09.000Man, you know, I don't want to fuck on anybody's flex.
01:57:13.000I wasn't throwing, I was throwing a rock at the tree the other day for the first time in forever, and I'm coming up about 15 feet shorter than ever before.
02:00:43.000But, like, you also have to, the reason that looks so good, a lot of that is because of Braun, but also a lot of that is because of eyeshow speed.
02:00:51.000He committed to the fall and really tried to fall with snap and with quickness.
02:01:49.000They may end up getting some financial reward, but when you break it down to hourly wage, they're working 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
02:01:58.000Like they don't stop because a lot of the content they make will have short shelf life.
02:02:04.000They're not essentially putting Gone with the Wind out in the universe.
02:02:06.000Like it's like you're only as good as your next one, not your last one or the one you did.
02:02:11.000It's like you're only as good as what you're doing five minutes from now.
02:02:14.000And if you drop off the map, someone will replace you.
02:03:37.000You see the videos where he was sprinting with Ashton Forbes, you know, that super jacked guy that does that morning routine that everybody made fun of?
02:03:45.000Because he has this like morning routine where he dunks his face in water and then someone hands him his gold watch and he puts it on.
02:03:54.000You know, and he had a whole series of races with him because he couldn't believe that this YouTuber guy could beat him.
02:04:00.000Because he's like this fucking super jacked, ripped guy who a lot of his online content is him running and it just looks like a force of nature.
02:04:09.000And I show speed beat him like three times in these races, but he didn't want to believe that he lost.
02:05:26.000Or will sprinting against a gold medalist, getting in the cage with a fighter, getting in the ring with a champion, going to that guy's house and besting him at his own thing.
02:10:23.000It is a real, a real big opportunity for you to have me on here because the WWE folks that you have had, I think I'm still, I only got one date left, but I still think I'm the active one.
02:10:35.000I hope this experience has been good for you guys.
02:10:45.000And I think your philosophy is contagious, and I think it's really good for people to hear.
02:10:50.000And I think there's a lot of young people out there that are really going to benefit from a lot of the things you said because I think it's rock solid.