The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2424 - Jelly Roll

00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

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00:00:13.000 I just really feel like we might have a chance here to like really help some people that were big.

00:00:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:00:20.000 Like that in this pod, we might have a chance to like a million percent.

00:00:24.000 So I brought a bunch of notes about what I went through.

00:00:25.000 So don't look at me like a super nerd today.

00:00:27.000 No, but I want to make sure I got my, I want to help people, dude.

00:00:30.000 I just, man, I never thought I'd lose this weight.

00:00:31.000 I feel like a dude with notes.

00:00:34.000 Especially a dude who lost 300 fucking pounds.

00:00:36.000 Let's go, baby.

00:00:37.000 Let's go.

00:00:38.000 Look at you, dude.

00:00:39.000 Dude, I feel great.

00:00:40.000 You should feel great.

00:00:42.000 I feel really, really good, dude.

00:00:44.000 You're a totally new human being.

00:00:46.000 It is, man.

00:00:47.000 You know what's crazy?

00:00:48.000 I don't want to get super spiritual out the gate, but I will because I think God wants me to right now because you saying that.

00:00:53.000 There's a scripture in the Bible that says, in Christ, all things are a new creation, which I thought was interesting because it didn't talk about restoring the old.

00:01:03.000 It says that in God, we are a completely new creation.

00:01:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:07.000 So like, I was looking at it at first, like, I'm restoring my heart.

00:01:11.000 But then when you're saying that, I'm like, no, I didn't restore my heart.

00:01:13.000 I got a whole new heart.

00:01:14.000 This is a brand new heart, Joe.

00:01:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:17.000 It might be cloaked as the old one, but God touched it.

00:01:17.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 It's a whole new heart, baby.

00:01:21.000 It's a different heart.

00:01:22.000 Every seven years, doesn't every cell in your body get replaced by new cells?

00:01:28.000 Isn't that what the number is?

00:01:29.000 That's crazy.

00:01:30.000 And it happens on the road.

00:01:31.000 I'm going to add into our sponsor perplexity and find out if that's nonsense.

00:01:34.000 But I think that's true.

00:01:35.000 I think that's what happened.

00:01:37.000 So you do have a chance to be a new human being.

00:01:40.000 And think that it would happen on a holy number like that.

00:01:42.000 It's a myth.

00:01:43.000 God damn it.

00:01:45.000 Shit.

00:01:46.000 Every seven years is a myth.

00:01:47.000 Different cell types have very different lifespans, and some last a lifetime.

00:01:51.000 I think neurons last a lifetime.

00:01:53.000 Seven-year figure is a rough average estimate of cell age.

00:01:56.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:57.000 So it's not a total myth.

00:01:59.000 Not a fixed cycle where everything is swapped out all at once.

00:02:01.000 Some tissues renew very fast while others renew slow, slowly, or hardly at all, which averages out to several years if you look at all the cells together.

00:02:12.000 So intestinal lining cells renew every two to five days.

00:02:16.000 Wow.

00:02:17.000 Stomach lining turns over roughly every two to nine days.

00:02:20.000 Skin surface cells replace roughly every few weeks.

00:02:25.000 Liver cells are typically renewed on time scales of many months to up to a few years.

00:02:29.000 Bone cells take up to a decade to fully remodel the skeleton.

00:02:34.000 Muscles and cells.

00:02:35.000 Anyway, cells are changing all the time.

00:02:39.000 God, it's crazy.

00:02:40.000 It's constantly renewing, baby.

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:42.000 Feels good, man.

00:02:43.000 A whole different human.

00:02:44.000 When I first came to your club, I couldn't even walk all the way up the steps without stopping every seventh step.

00:02:44.000 We were talking about it.

00:02:49.000 And today was my, me and Cam did my first 10K yesterday.

00:02:53.000 We did a little bit over.

00:02:54.000 We did 6'5.

00:02:54.000 So today was Recovery Run Day.

00:02:56.000 I did two and a half miles just having a conversation with you while you're swinging kettlebells.

00:02:59.000 I was like, look at who I am.

00:03:00.000 I'm Joe.

00:03:00.000 I'm an older guy.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, just chilling, doing two and a half miles on a treadmill.

00:03:05.000 Just watching the Peter Young fight again.

00:03:07.000 And you had a nice pace.

00:03:10.000 You look casual doing it.

00:03:11.000 I feel good.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, you could tell you've been working.

00:03:14.000 You know, it's not like a new thing.

00:03:15.000 Your body's acclimated to it.

00:03:17.000 You could really tell.

00:03:18.000 It's like, and I heard Tony Robbins once say that we grossly overestimate what we can do in a year and we underestimate what we can do in a decade.

00:03:28.000 And for people that might be listening to this that are dealing with severe obesity, I want to give you this game.

00:03:35.000 You will grossly overestimate what you can do in 90 days, but underestimating what you can do in a year when it comes to your health.

00:03:44.000 Like it was right around my 30s.

00:03:46.000 I turned 41 three days ago and it was right around my 39th birthday that I started really considering taking the step to try to make a major change in my life.

00:03:57.000 And I thought about it around my birthday because I knew my next one was 40.

00:04:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:02.000 And I was like, I don't think I've ever met a 500-pound 40-year-old.

00:04:06.000 They don't have to be around very often.

00:04:08.000 Usually that's when they're drop off.

00:04:11.000 And it felt like I'd already cheated the game.

00:04:13.000 I'd had multiple heart issues, you know.

00:04:16.000 And I was like, man, I should really start trying to figure this out.

00:04:20.000 I felt like I could feel myself dying, Joe.

00:04:23.000 You know, and it was crazy because I spent most of my life thinking that when I got to this point, or that I never thought I'd get to this point, we'll start there as far as success.

00:04:34.000 Even your hands look smaller.

00:04:36.000 Dude.

00:04:37.000 You have new hands.

00:04:38.000 I've had to change my auring size five times in this process.

00:04:44.000 I've changed clothes for two years straight.

00:04:46.000 I'm looking at your hands.

00:04:47.000 I'm like, he has different size hands on it.

00:04:49.000 Oh, dude, it's crazy.

00:04:50.000 Everything, dude.

00:04:52.000 I haven't seen you in how long?

00:04:53.000 It's been at least a year and a half.

00:04:54.000 It's been a year and a half.

00:04:55.000 We did the pod.

00:04:57.000 I was in this pod bragging about being 420 pounds because I'd lost 120 pounds.

00:05:01.000 And I was in here excited about those 120, you know?

00:05:04.000 And I would have never guessed it.

00:05:05.000 I've lost Ilya Taporia since then.

00:05:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:05:09.000 I've lost a whole nother, a whole nother.

00:05:13.000 My chef said it best.

00:05:14.000 He said, when Charles Oliveller fell off of Michael Chandler's back, that was what you lost since the last time you've seen Joe.

00:05:20.000 It'd be like if a Michael Chandler just jumped off your shoulders.

00:05:22.000 That's crazy.

00:05:23.000 It's crazy, Joe.

00:05:25.000 It's crazy.

00:05:26.000 When I go walk with my dog, I put a 45-pound plate on a pack.

00:05:32.000 And when I get done with the walk, I take it off.

00:05:35.000 I'm like, whew.

00:05:36.000 That ain't shit.

00:05:39.000 You were walking around with an extra 300 fucking pounds.

00:05:44.000 Cam said this yesterday.

00:05:45.000 It was so funny.

00:05:46.000 He said, he said, you know why you're inspiring so many people?

00:05:48.000 He said, think about how much David Goggins inspired people because he went from 300 pounds to getting in shape.

00:05:53.000 He said, and you've lost David Goggins at his biggest.

00:05:55.000 I'd never even thought of it that way.

00:05:57.000 I was like, wow.

00:05:58.000 I was like, yeah, that's a whole.

00:05:59.000 You lost a whole David Goggins.

00:06:01.000 My surgeon said, I have 35 pounds of skin on me now.

00:06:05.000 Wow.

00:06:06.000 I mean, you've seen it.

00:06:07.000 I showed you.

00:06:07.000 I showed you my stuff.

00:06:09.000 But it's like, it's crazy, dude.

00:06:10.000 That's crazy.

00:06:11.000 Just 30 pound pounds, five pounds of extra skin.

00:06:14.000 Just extra stuff.

00:06:14.000 That's crazy.

00:06:15.000 It's just hanging off the front of me right now.

00:06:19.000 Somebody said, doesn't that hurt?

00:06:20.000 I was like, not as bad as the 500 that was hanging.

00:06:23.000 I'll take these 35 over that all day, dude.

00:06:25.000 Way, way fair exchange.

00:06:26.000 So what was, you knew you were doing bad.

00:06:30.000 You knew your body was not, it was not going to be able to function at that weight for very much longer.

00:06:37.000 And so what was the pivotal moment where you made this decision?

00:06:43.000 This is why I wanted to do this with you.

00:06:45.000 Thank you for letting me have this space because this is what I want people to hear is that every time I thought I had a critical moment, it was an emotional moment.

00:06:54.000 So I'd get all fired up.

00:06:55.000 I've been trying to lose this weight my whole life.

00:06:57.000 And I'd yo-yo 50, 70 pounds down, go back up.

00:07:00.000 Me and my nutritionist, Ian Larios, were looking at notes yesterday.

00:07:04.000 I spent most of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds like that year.

00:07:10.000 That's how much I fluctuated in just a year up and down.

00:07:14.000 Crazy.

00:07:16.000 So it's like, I was just such a, so when I sat down to try to lose it this time, I said, I'm going to take a different approach.

00:07:22.000 I'm going to really take my time with it.

00:07:24.000 And I'm going to think about what I'm doing and be intentional.

00:07:26.000 I'm not going to let it be an emotional thing where you just jump up and go, I'm going to go run into D.

00:07:30.000 And I was like, let me figure this out.

00:07:33.000 And clearly, I've dealt with drug addiction.

00:07:35.000 So I was like, maybe there's something here.

00:07:38.000 Like, how come I actually have this in my notes?

00:07:43.000 Overeating wasn't a failure of willpower for me.

00:07:45.000 It was a biological loop that I didn't know how to interrupt.

00:07:49.000 That's a good way to put it.

00:07:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:51.000 The problem with food addiction as opposed to every other addiction is that you have to keep doing the thing you're addicted to.

00:07:59.000 It's the only way to do it.

00:08:00.000 And it's everywhere.

00:08:01.000 Not that crack isn't everywhere and heroin isn't everywhere.

00:08:04.000 That's not.

00:08:04.000 I've never seen that.

00:08:05.000 But there's not heroin on this table.

00:08:06.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:07.000 There is a cookie on here somewhere, probably.

00:08:09.000 There has been.

00:08:10.000 But food is something that you need to sustain you, to keep alive.

00:08:14.000 Like, imagine if you were a gambling addict, but you had to play a few hands of blackjack every day.

00:08:19.000 Every day.

00:08:20.000 Like, you had to.

00:08:20.000 That's crazy.

00:08:21.000 Like, you got to play at least two.

00:08:23.000 Stay alive.

00:08:23.000 Yeah.

00:08:24.000 Stay alive.

00:08:25.000 You can imagine I started, and with that mentality, I said, well, the first thing I'll do is, let me, you know, how can I cut back how much I'm eating?

00:08:32.000 And less eating periods.

00:08:34.000 But the first thing I did was started.

00:08:38.000 Every time I said I was going to lose the weight, Joe, I said, I lied to myself.

00:08:42.000 We talked about this.

00:08:43.000 I would tell myself, I'm going to do this.

00:08:45.000 I'm going to go do that.

00:08:46.000 And then I'd go tell my family that.

00:08:48.000 So the lie started with me, though.

00:08:50.000 You know, there's a big person listening to this right now or a drug addict or somebody who wants to change some part of their life that right now is going, I'm going to start next Monday, you know, or I'm going to start Friday or I'm going to start.

00:09:00.000 They have a start date.

00:09:02.000 And then that Monday comes and they never do it.

00:09:04.000 I told you, I was like every other fat fuck.

00:09:05.000 Even when I finally did it on Friday, I was like, Monday, I'm waking up and changing my life.

00:09:10.000 And I was like, but I had an idea.

00:09:11.000 I was like, I'm not cutting out food.

00:09:13.000 I'm not dealing with nothing crazy.

00:09:14.000 I'm going to do two small things first.

00:09:16.000 I'm going to cold plunge because I've been watching Dana White do it and it seems to be working for him.

00:09:20.000 That's how just naive I was to the whole thing at first.

00:09:22.000 I was like, Dana's cold plunging.

00:09:23.000 He got in shape.

00:09:24.000 I was like, and I reached out to Gary immediately, like right around that 39th birthday, I reached out to Gary Breckin.

00:09:29.000 I just sent a message to Breck a Blind that said, do you work with fat people?

00:09:34.000 Because I hadn't seen a real case study of fat people yet.

00:09:38.000 And lucky for me, Alina, their daughter, him and Sage's daughter was a country music fan.

00:09:43.000 So she comes in, like, you ever heard of Jelly Roll?

00:09:45.000 And they're like, no.

00:09:46.000 She's like, you got to listen to this song and then you got to help him.

00:09:48.000 So Gary called and Gary was like, and I said, Gary, I'm going to start.

00:09:51.000 He said, just start by trying to get 10,000 steps a day and get in a cold plunge.

00:09:54.000 I'm like, dude, I'm 520 something pounds, Gary.

00:09:56.000 10,000 steps a day.

00:09:57.000 It's crazy talk.

00:09:58.000 But I got in the cold plunge for six minutes and I would go for a half mile walk.

00:10:01.000 That first Monday comes, Joe, it is pissing rain.

00:10:04.000 Pissing rain.

00:10:06.000 I mean, cats and dogs, dude.

00:10:08.000 And I wake up and I'm like, shit.

00:10:11.000 And I've been studying about lying to yourself.

00:10:13.000 That when you tell yourself you're going to do something and you don't do it, your body then starts to know that you don't mean what you say.

00:10:19.000 So now when you tell your body to do something, your body looks at you like, bitch, you ain't never meant what you said to me. 0.97

00:10:23.000 You've never followed through.

00:10:24.000 What do you fuck you? 0.95

00:10:25.000 You think I'm going to run because you tell me to run, dude?

00:10:27.000 You lie to me all the time.

00:10:28.000 And I was in that concept.

00:10:30.000 And I came out that morning, dressed up in my stuff.

00:10:31.000 And I was like, man, that rain's pretty hard.

00:10:33.000 And my family, and this wasn't them being a lack of support, Joe.

00:10:37.000 This was just, I think this was me lying to them for so many years.

00:10:40.000 You know, that they wanted to save me my shame again and my embarrassment.

00:10:44.000 And they go, it's okay.

00:10:45.000 I think my wife's like, it's okay, Papa.

00:10:47.000 Or my daughter was like, just wait till the rain quits or do it on the treadmill or something. 1.00

00:10:52.000 But in my mind, I was like, no, I'm going outside, you know?

00:10:54.000 And I was like, I'm done lying to y'all, and I'm done lying to me.

00:10:57.000 I told y'all I was going to go do this walk and I'm going to do this walk.

00:11:04.000 I didn't want to get devoted this early.

00:11:09.000 But I'm good.

00:11:12.000 There's nothing wrong with emotions, brother.

00:11:17.000 I'm coming back from that walk.

00:11:26.000 And I'm coming up my driveway.

00:11:27.000 It's up a big hill.

00:11:28.000 I'm bringing in Camelot.

00:11:29.000 It's a huge hill.

00:11:30.000 And I'm coming up the driveway to the hill.

00:11:32.000 And all my family's out there.

00:11:34.000 Carry me on.

00:11:37.000 Clapping.

00:11:38.000 Hands up.

00:11:41.000 I done nothing but lie to them for years about this weight.

00:11:46.000 I had done nothing.

00:11:48.000 I'd never proved to them that I was going to change or that I'd be a man of my word in any regard.

00:11:53.000 They had every reason not to go out there and cheer me on.

00:11:58.000 And that was like a big moment.

00:12:01.000 That was the moment, you know, where I was like, damn.

00:12:05.000 And I realized that in addiction, that in addiction, the family will kind of cater to the addict.

00:12:17.000 It's nature.

00:12:18.000 You know, like if somebody in your family was a drug addict, you would help with their kids or you would, you know, you would feel a need to help in their absence.

00:12:26.000 It's what we do as a family.

00:12:27.000 It's human nature.

00:12:29.000 And I realized then how much my addiction had been hurting his family.

00:12:33.000 You know, how much that my sex life with my wife was horrible.

00:12:37.000 Dude, I married a fucking big titty, blonde, beautiful woman, dog. 1.00

00:12:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:41.000 Like, I married the kind of woman that makes you smile when you're crying, Joe.

00:12:45.000 You know?

00:12:47.000 And I couldn't even get aroused.

00:12:50.000 I was so big.

00:12:51.000 I mean, I was having to play, I was having to play Twister to have sex.

00:12:55.000 Left foot here, right foot in the X. You know, are we in there yet?

00:12:58.000 Tell me if you feel something.

00:12:59.000 I mean, it was bad.

00:13:00.000 You know, my daughter, I think about my son.

00:13:04.000 You know, my brother would have to go throw football with him.

00:13:06.000 I was too big to throw the football.

00:13:08.000 And I was like, that's what my addiction has done to these people.

00:13:11.000 And here they are cheering for me.

00:13:14.000 Oh, dude, we're turning up.

00:13:15.000 We're fucking, we're going to figure this out.

00:13:18.000 So then I knew it was a mental thing.

00:13:20.000 And I read a book called The Fox, The Horse, The Mole, and the Boy.

00:13:24.000 Have you ever heard of this book?

00:13:25.000 No.

00:13:26.000 It's a children's book.

00:13:27.000 Jamie, if you don't mind pulling it up, because it's just, it's just, somebody kind of recreated Winnie the Pooh, but for our kids, you know?

00:13:35.000 And it was a children's book.

00:13:36.000 And I open it up and it has a moment where it goes.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, the boy, the fox, and the mole.

00:13:42.000 Oh, I have seen this.

00:13:45.000 You want to talk about a seven-minute read that will change your life?

00:13:48.000 But there's a quote in there that goes, I forgot if it was the mole, but the fox or something looks at the horse and goes, what's the hardest thing you've ever done in your life?

00:13:57.000 And the horse goes, ask for help.

00:14:02.000 Yeah.

00:14:03.000 It's just all these like really cool little things.

00:14:05.000 But when it said ask for help, I was like, wow, I need to ask for help.

00:14:09.000 It's like whenever I was addicted to drugs and I had to walk in that room for the first time and go, I don't have control.

00:14:15.000 So I called a company called OnSight that does therapy.

00:14:20.000 And I went and spent two weeks with a lady named Mary B. who wrote the curriculum for food addiction in the world.

00:14:26.000 Like she is a 80-something year old woman with glasses, sweet soul of a woman. 1.00

00:14:31.000 And we locked in the cabin.

00:14:33.000 And she said, we're going to figure out what this is.

00:14:37.000 And I spent, I'd say, maybe two or three weeks in this cabin with this sweet old woman.

00:14:41.000 And it was like no phone, out in the woods.

00:14:44.000 I walked every day.

00:14:45.000 I played with the horses.

00:14:47.000 I mean, I just went laid in grass.

00:14:49.000 And it really took me all the way back through all my years.

00:14:53.000 And it was the first time that I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight.

00:14:56.000 I tried to figure out why I was carrying the weight.

00:14:59.000 You know, and that's whenever I figured out that overeating for me wasn't a failure of discipline.

00:15:03.000 I'm a pretty disciplined guy.

00:15:05.000 It was just a biological thing.

00:15:07.000 I hadn't learned how to interrupt.

00:15:08.000 I'd been doing it my whole life.

00:15:09.000 It had been my constant go-to for stress.

00:15:11.000 It was everywhere all the time.

00:15:13.000 I was eating for, I had to start figuring out what I was actually hungry for.

00:15:17.000 You know, like when we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups.

00:15:21.000 Like, if you're 340 pounds here, 330 pounds here, you know, it's probably, depending on your height, of course, you might be dealing with a discipline issue.

00:15:29.000 Maybe you just like extra food.

00:15:30.000 We can make small changes and get that off.

00:15:32.000 You start getting over 300, 320.

00:15:35.000 That starts being morbid obesity.

00:15:37.000 Like, there starts to be a real thing there, you know?

00:15:40.000 And I'm seeing it more now because I talk to tens, 20s of guys that are over 500 pounds that have reached out to me like, please, what is this magic, Yoda?

00:15:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:49.000 I'm like, I'm like, consistency is the magic.

00:15:52.000 But one, once I realized why I was eating, 80, 80, here's the note I took from therapy.

00:15:59.000 I had my wife translate all my notes from when I was out there.

00:16:02.000 And it goes, change.

00:16:05.000 First of all, you change the way you think and talk.

00:16:07.000 But because 80 to 90% of compulsive eating happens between the ears, not the teeth.

00:16:14.000 So the average obese person that's that big, and I learned this from her, is that they're only eating 20% of what they're thinking about eating.

00:16:22.000 This is an all-day loop that's in your head.

00:16:25.000 It's like a drug addiction.

00:16:26.000 You know, I used to walk in, me and Schultz laughed about this.

00:16:30.000 I used to walk in rooms and scan.

00:16:31.000 Like I would walk in a room like the Predator.

00:16:33.000 Like I would, I would do one thing like the Terminator and be able to look you in the eye and be like, there's a bottle of Snickers on that counter.

00:16:38.000 There's two M ⁇ Ms over here. 1.00

00:16:40.000 They have some lazy potato chips over there.

00:16:42.000 Like I knew my way.

00:16:43.000 It was mostly sugar?

00:16:44.000 All sugar.

00:16:45.000 Me and you were talking about dude, sugar.

00:16:47.000 Well, processed food.

00:16:48.000 I didn't, you know, they said, so Gary was like, get on a keto diet or a whole food diet at first.

00:16:53.000 And I was like, I don't think I eat whole foods now at all anyways.

00:16:56.000 I think I just eat processed foods with maybe protein in it.

00:17:00.000 You know, I mean, I don't, dude, I haven't ate a piece of bread except for Thanksgiving in two years.

00:17:05.000 Joe, I was colorblind.

00:17:07.000 We talked about this.

00:17:09.000 This is a crazy story.

00:17:10.000 This is a true story, Joe.

00:17:12.000 My wife will tell you, she laughs about it now, but I couldn't see.

00:17:16.000 I've seen shades of colors.

00:17:18.000 Like general concepts, but like Hunter Green, Emerald Green, like what green's green to me.

00:17:23.000 I never realized there was nuances and prettiness and that some were brighter and toned different.

00:17:27.000 I just seen them like shades.

00:17:30.000 So bad that like, that's why I wore black.

00:17:32.000 Johnny Cass was a lot of it.

00:17:33.000 But two, you know, I'd always have to ask people, does my shoes match?

00:17:36.000 You know, I was always off.

00:17:38.000 Dude, I'd say nine months into no sugar, I started, I think, I forgot what it was, but it was a plant at our house.

00:17:44.000 And I come outside and I grab my wife and I go, dude, how long have we had that pretty purple tulip there?

00:17:49.000 Or whatever it was?

00:17:50.000 And she goes, what?

00:17:52.000 I was like, that is the prettiest purple plant I've ever seen.

00:17:55.000 She was like, you've walked by that plant for two years.

00:17:58.000 What are you talking about?

00:18:00.000 I was like, there's no way we've had a plant that pretty.

00:18:02.000 I didn't notice it for two years.

00:18:03.000 It was bright purple, Joe.

00:18:05.000 I mean, it was screaming holy rogue purple.

00:18:09.000 And slowly I started looking around the next few days.

00:18:11.000 And over the next months, I was like, I'm seeing clear color.

00:18:15.000 I couldn't quit talking about it.

00:18:16.000 I bought coloring books.

00:18:17.000 My wife was laughing.

00:18:18.000 This bitch used to have to give me a tattoo match to go to court. 1.00

00:18:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:18:21.000 And I'm in there coloring.

00:18:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:18:23.000 I was like, you want to color?

00:18:23.000 She's like, what are you doing?

00:18:24.000 And I've got like 300 coloring pencils up.

00:18:28.000 I was in a deer blind with Cam Hain talking his face off about a bird yesterday.

00:18:32.000 He goes, I didn't know you like birds like that.

00:18:34.000 I was just, I like color.

00:18:35.000 He was like, really?

00:18:36.000 I was like, yeah, I didn't see color for like 20 years.

00:18:38.000 I was like, it is.

00:18:39.000 This is so.

00:18:40.000 It had to have been the sugar.

00:18:42.000 Must have been.

00:18:42.000 It must have been just rampant inflammation through your whole body, massive lack of nutrients.

00:18:48.000 And your body probably was like, fuck colors.

00:18:50.000 Let's just keep this dude alive.

00:18:51.000 That's it.

00:18:52.000 Yeah.

00:18:52.000 Yeah, fuck colors.

00:18:53.000 Just keep him alive.

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00:19:54.000 And it was, I never planned on living, Joe, like ever.

00:20:00.000 Like it was never in my plan, like of life.

00:20:02.000 Even as I was getting successful, I was like coming out here and like life was getting good for me.

00:20:07.000 And in my mind, I was like, okay, good.

00:20:09.000 When I die, at least my kids might be okay and they won't be ashamed of me.

00:20:13.000 Wow.

00:20:14.000 That's how I was thinking, Joe.

00:20:16.000 I was literally thinking that way.

00:20:17.000 In my mind, I was just pushing.

00:20:19.000 Like, if I could just get this machine down a little bit, my kids won't be ashamed of me.

00:20:22.000 They won't have to be the dad.

00:20:24.000 At least their daddy died of obesity because he had mental health issues, but he was a cool fucking dude, man, that did some cool stuff, you know?

00:20:30.000 And it was like, I never would have thought I could have this kind of life.

00:20:34.000 I never thought I could.

00:20:34.000 Even when I sat here and talked to you before, in my mind, I was thinking, man, I'll probably never see Joe again.

00:20:41.000 It'll probably go any day for me.

00:20:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:43.000 Like, my heart could quit it any day.

00:20:44.000 I could relapse and overdose.

00:20:46.000 I'm not thinking right most of the time, you know, to like sit here and look at you now, like, dog, I'm going to be a 70-year-old man with you, Bubba.

00:20:55.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:56.000 Like, dog.

00:20:57.000 Like, it's going to be cool.

00:20:59.000 He was talking about my, you mind if I run through these for a second?

00:21:01.000 Yeah, please.

00:21:02.000 Well, let me preface this.

00:21:04.000 So, because I want to talk about the labs, you were talking about my inflammation.

00:21:07.000 But I got with Gary Breck and I did a blood test.

00:21:10.000 And this is something else I encourage big people to do.

00:21:12.000 And your basic provider will pay for it more often than not.

00:21:14.000 If you have just like a standard insurance, just tell them you want to run a just standard blood lab.

00:21:19.000 But tell them instead of just your A1C, this is important.

00:21:22.000 You want to see your insulin level.

00:21:24.000 Because I was diabetic, but I wasn't insulin resistant.

00:21:28.000 So my diabetic marker when I first got checked was a 6.4, my A1C was a 6.4, okay?

00:21:36.000 Which is the threshold of what being a diabetic is, a pre-diabetic.

00:21:41.000 The last point of being a pre-diabetic is 6.4.

00:21:44.000 And I thought that when your blood work says you're a pre-diabetic for 15 years, it's whatever.

00:21:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:53.000 Like, this is not going to kill me or nothing.

00:21:55.000 I've had, yeah, it's what it said last time.

00:21:56.000 I'm fine.

00:21:58.000 And then finally, they checked for my insulin.

00:22:00.000 It was over 40, Joe.

00:22:03.000 It was like insane.

00:22:05.000 And I don't want to get this.

00:22:06.000 It's supposed to be.

00:22:07.000 It's like under five.

00:22:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 So what happens is when your body goes to burn when you fast, it has to burn through all your insulin before it'll start burning through your reserved fat.

00:22:18.000 So when you're at that high of an insulin level in your blood, you're having to fast so you're hardly ever getting to the resort fat burnage because it's just constant insulin.

00:22:27.000 Right.

00:22:28.000 So, and this is where GO1Ps come in.

00:22:31.000 This would be a great time to talk about this.

00:22:33.000 So Gary goes, hey, man, your insulin's high.

00:22:34.000 We'll just give you a shot and this will change all this.

00:22:37.000 And I was like, cool, send it, whatever.

00:22:38.000 I'll try it.

00:22:39.000 And then my wife's manager, Mimi, started the shot, did wonders for her, but she had the worst stomach issues. 1.00

00:22:45.000 I have a bad stomach.

00:22:47.000 I started calling people and going, hey, man, how's this shot work?

00:22:49.000 And I was like, dude, we're losing weight.

00:22:50.000 Food noise is gone.

00:22:51.000 You got to try it.

00:22:52.000 I was like, what's the side effect?

00:22:53.000 It was like, one bad side effect.

00:22:55.000 It tears your gut up.

00:22:57.000 And I was, I had a, so I had bad reflux.

00:22:59.000 And, you know, that's the worst thing a singer can have. 1.00

00:23:01.000 Nothing is worse for us than reflux.

00:23:04.000 So I got scared of it.

00:23:05.000 So I called Gary and I was like, Gary, I can't do it.

00:23:07.000 I'm afraid of it.

00:23:09.000 So then I started doing research and I was like, well, if I'm not going to do this, I'm going to have to fast to get my insulin levels down a lot.

00:23:14.000 So I was fasting and I was losing like next to no weight.

00:23:18.000 And I was doing the right thing.

00:23:19.000 And as a big dude, that's the most encouraging thing, discouraging thing.

00:23:23.000 It's when you're actually not lying to people.

00:23:25.000 Because, you know, as a fat person, I'm programmed to lie like a drug addict.

00:23:28.000 Like, what did you eat today?

00:23:30.000 Oh, grilled chicken and salads.

00:23:31.000 And I just ate seven Snickers, you know?

00:23:33.000 So it's like, or I brush it off like a big thing.

00:23:37.000 My nutritionist would come in and be like, Did you eat something last night after I left?

00:23:40.000 I'd be like, Yeah, yeah, I just ate a little bit.

00:23:41.000 Not bad, just a little bit, a little bit bad.

00:23:43.000 But I wouldn't quantify what a little bit bad was.

00:23:46.000 It was, you know, it's like, so I was just in a, I, I wanted to start being way, way more honest about everything in the process.

00:23:55.000 And that was probably the biggest thing.

00:23:57.000 So I would not lose the weight.

00:23:59.000 And I'm like, I promise you, Ian, I didn't eat nothing but what you handed me, Bubba.

00:24:03.000 He's like, just stick with it.

00:24:04.000 And I just stayed with it, stayed with it.

00:24:06.000 And then Gary got turned into Gary Brecca and took over the world.

00:24:10.000 And I was lucky for me, I bumped into your friend, a guy named Brigham down here in Texas.

00:24:15.000 And he introduced me.

00:24:16.000 You've met Denise, right, Dennis?

00:24:17.000 Sure.

00:24:18.000 I love her.

00:24:19.000 This lady's the lady who really Gary started this journey for me, and I'll never be able to thank him enough for it, but she brought it home.

00:24:27.000 And Gary probably would have, but she had a brick and mortar and was just easier to get to. 0.68

00:24:30.000 Gary travels the world.

00:24:32.000 And I go to her and she goes, she runs my blood again.

00:24:35.000 And my insulin got down to like 37 by fasting.

00:24:39.000 And she goes, you're against the GO1Ps, aren't you?

00:24:41.000 I was like, well, I made it this far, and I don't want to do it with an asterisk now.

00:24:44.000 Now it's just stubbornness.

00:24:45.000 At first, it started out of a fear.

00:24:46.000 Now I'm just fucking stubborn, you know?

00:24:49.000 And this is where I don't want to hide anything that I did do because I think it'll help people.

00:24:52.000 She said, there's an alternative.

00:24:54.000 She said, if you took a fourth of a dose of metformin, which 2,000 milligrams is what they would prescribe a diabetic one, let's say we give you 500 milligrams, which is a real low dose once a day, until we just see this marker go down.

00:25:07.000 She said, it might take a year because we're not trying to rush it and throw a bunch of GO1s at it.

00:25:11.000 We're like, we're just, we're going to do this really slow.

00:25:13.000 And that's what we did.

00:25:14.000 And the first month I listened to her and I was losing, you know, I think I looked at Ian's notes today.

00:25:18.000 We were losing like, you know, four to six pounds a month.

00:25:21.000 Then it got up to that 12 and 13, that number we were looking for.

00:25:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:25.000 Of what we expect from a guy my size.

00:25:27.000 But it was just that easy.

00:25:28.000 Now my insulin, so I said all that to give you this.

00:25:31.000 Oh, I'm so excited about this, Joe.

00:25:33.000 My insulin was over 40.

00:25:34.000 My insulin two weeks ago it weighs to well with Dr. Denise was 4.6.

00:25:38.000 My A1C was crazy, right?

00:25:41.000 And that was just, we've only been on the metformin for a year in November.

00:25:44.000 So I think we're going to come off of it now.

00:25:47.000 A1C was 6'4.

00:25:48.000 It's now 5'4, which that marker is a three-month average of your blood sugar.

00:25:54.000 Like, that's a real number to move that much.

00:25:57.000 I know it doesn't seem like a big number in a year, but that's like crazy.

00:26:01.000 My C-reactive was like in the sixes, and it's 1.2 now.

00:26:04.000 That's an inflammation marker.

00:26:06.000 Vitamin D, while I was getting sick all the time, was a 28.

00:26:09.000 Vitamin D is at 100.

00:26:11.000 This was the big one too.

00:26:12.000 And this is where you say, are you natty?

00:26:14.000 I say, no, sir, absolutely not.

00:26:16.000 I'm a 40-year-old male.

00:26:18.000 There's no way I was going to be natty.

00:26:19.000 My testosterone was one of a pre-juvenile child when you're that big.

00:26:25.000 Wow.

00:26:25.000 It was in the 50s.

00:26:28.000 And you know, it should be in like the 750s.

00:26:31.000 My free test was 2.3, Joe Rogan.

00:26:34.000 Oh, my.

00:26:34.000 My free test.

00:26:36.000 You know what it is today?

00:26:37.000 149.

00:26:39.000 I fucking, you remember that problem we talked about with my wife? 0.99

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 Not anymore.

00:26:44.000 I'm walking around the house like a tiger.

00:26:46.000 I'm throwing her over my shoulder like a caveman and throwing her on the bed every time I see her. 0.97

00:26:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:51.000 It is awesome.

00:26:53.000 And it changed.

00:26:54.000 These were, and I encourage people to like, if you can get your blood checked, there might be something there.

00:27:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:02.000 It might not be something big.

00:27:03.000 You know, I still could have lost the weight without the metformin, but it might have taken another year.

00:27:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:08.000 If I would have just had to keep nicking it down a pound a week because I was just having to get that insulin down so slowly.

00:27:13.000 And that helped a ton.

00:27:14.000 And the test, of course, helped bring because my estrogen was so high.

00:27:18.000 My test was so low.

00:27:19.000 I finally got the estrogen down and the test up so the fat starts burning.

00:27:22.000 I'd done the mental work.

00:27:23.000 I'd started really figuring out like why I was eating the way I was eating.

00:27:27.000 Because once I recognized a pattern, my three R's changed it for me. 1.00

00:27:32.000 It was reset, reconnect, re-engage.

00:27:35.000 So every time I would go into my pantry to eat something, because I'm a binge eater, I'd stop.

00:27:40.000 My therapist taught me this at on-site.

00:27:42.000 I'd stop and I'd reset.

00:27:44.000 So I'd step out.

00:27:45.000 First thing, get out of the pantry.

00:27:46.000 I have no business in here.

00:27:48.000 Bad place for me.

00:27:48.000 Go somewhere I'm safe where I can connect, near my wife or somewhere safe.

00:27:52.000 Reconnect.

00:27:53.000 What was you in a pantry for?

00:27:56.000 What version of you, what storyline of yours walked in that pantry?

00:28:00.000 Was it 15-year-old Jilly that thought he was a gangbanger and thought he was a thug that was just trying to be cool?

00:28:04.000 That was actually a sad little boy that couldn't connect with people.

00:28:07.000 Is that the boy that just walked in there and tried to eat some cookies?

00:28:11.000 Or is this a 35-year-old man or a 39-year-old man that's stressed from work?

00:28:15.000 But I tell you what, you're not in there eating the cookies for is because you need them.

00:28:18.000 You just ate a great meal.

00:28:20.000 You feel fucking awesome.

00:28:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:22.000 Like, there's nothing about that cookie that's good for you.

00:28:24.000 And also, Jason, you are not a one-cookie kind of guy.

00:28:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:28.000 You're going to go eat the bag of cookies.

00:28:30.000 And then I reconnect, then I re-engage.

00:28:33.000 Because sometimes you go through all that and you go, you know what, though?

00:28:36.000 I was thinking in there, but I do need to go grab the salt.

00:28:38.000 Just go in there and grab the salt and get out.

00:28:40.000 But where I'm so programmed, it's back to old storylines.

00:28:43.000 I walk into something.

00:28:44.000 I've been going into the pantry to eat bad for so many years.

00:28:46.000 I walk in there and forget what I'm in there for.

00:28:49.000 Because if I sit there long enough, then it's like, oh, there's a there's some stuff that you can eat that does nothing.

00:28:55.000 Like you, if you just want to munch on something, man, get some celery and some radishes.

00:29:01.000 Those motherfuckers have like zero calories. 1.00

00:29:04.000 Raspberries and blueberries were a big one for me.

00:29:06.000 They don't have zero calories.

00:29:07.000 They have calories.

00:29:08.000 But you could eat like a bucket of them before you get into the hundreds of calories.

00:29:13.000 If you want to have some like raspberries with some salt on them, or not some raspberries, rather some radishes with some salt on them and some celery.

00:29:21.000 There's nothing in that.

00:29:22.000 You just eat it and you don't have to worry at all.

00:29:24.000 You're just getting some fiber and some nutrients.

00:29:27.000 Pickles are great.

00:29:27.000 Pickles?

00:29:28.000 Pickles are another one I'd get on to.

00:29:30.000 And also, like, if you get like good fermented pickles, they're actually good for your gut.

00:29:34.000 Yeah.

00:29:35.000 I did all the cheats early.

00:29:37.000 So like, when I say cheats, like I was hungry, so I go to my nutritionist and go, hey, man, just feed me whatever looks like the most food.

00:29:45.000 You know, fluff it up.

00:29:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:46.000 Like, just I want a big serving of food because it's mine thing.

00:29:50.000 And the cool thing is now I'm in a place where I'm looking for density.

00:29:53.000 Like my relationships change that much with food.

00:29:55.000 Now I'm looking like, yo, what is like, do I have to eat this?

00:29:59.000 Is there enough protein in this?

00:30:00.000 Or can I only eat half of it?

00:30:02.000 And not because I have the weird relationship with food other ways.

00:30:05.000 Now I'm just really feeding myself for what I need.

00:30:08.000 Right.

00:30:09.000 Like I actually have a healthy relationship with food now, Joe.

00:30:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:12.000 Like I look at, and it's not unhealthy in a way that was like, if you cooked a big steak right now, I was like, you want one?

00:30:17.000 I'd be like, yeah, absolutely.

00:30:18.000 I don't want to miss a elk steak with Joe.

00:30:20.000 I'm down.

00:30:21.000 I'm not weird.

00:30:22.000 If we went to dinner, I'd eat.

00:30:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:24.000 I just wouldn't eat bread.

00:30:25.000 There's just certain things I have an absolute.

00:30:27.000 It's like a drug addict thing for me.

00:30:28.000 There's just certain things I just can't do no matter what.

00:30:31.000 Yeah, the bread is the one.

00:30:32.000 Bread and pasta are the one.

00:30:35.000 Why does it have to be the ones that are so goddamn delicious?

00:30:38.000 All the good stuff, dude.

00:30:39.000 Oh, so delicious.

00:30:41.000 But I learned how to make all the good stuff better, by the way.

00:30:44.000 Like, not better, but Larios is really.

00:30:48.000 So a lot of my weight loss has come from, like, I used to always hear you say that you got into podcasting and talking to people about stuff you were just interested in, like conversations you just thought were cool.

00:30:59.000 And then I thought about that's like the approach to life.

00:31:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:04.000 It's like, get like, dig it, do it.

00:31:06.000 You know, and find, draw inspiration from there.

00:31:08.000 Right.

00:31:09.000 So I was watching.

00:31:10.000 Dig it, do it.

00:31:11.000 If you dig it, do it.

00:31:12.000 You know, dig it, do it.

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:13.000 And I was watching UFC one night, which I'm a fan too.

00:31:16.000 And I was, this was six years ago.

00:31:18.000 And I was like, I wonder who's helping these guys get on the scale.

00:31:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:24.000 I was like, most of these fighters are poor, not in a bad way.

00:31:26.000 You know, they're coming up.

00:31:27.000 I was like, I bet I could pay equal pay.

00:31:31.000 This was six years ago.

00:31:32.000 I was like, I wonder who it is.

00:31:33.000 And I got introduced to George Lockhart.

00:31:35.000 Okay.

00:31:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:36.000 Which, famously, him and Mike Doce, I think, are kind of both famously known for the guys who created the weight cutting protocol of today.

00:31:42.000 You know, and I call him.

00:31:44.000 He's in Georgia for the holidays.

00:31:45.000 He drives up to Tennessee to see me.

00:31:47.000 We end up hanging out.

00:31:48.000 George and me are buddies to this day.

00:31:49.000 And, you know, George is like, look, let me find you a guy.

00:31:53.000 And that's how he found me, Ian Larios, who just came in to do nutritionist.

00:31:56.000 He did a bunch of bully bees camps, but he's been with me. 0.97

00:31:59.000 People say, I had somebody tell me this, Joe.

00:32:00.000 He said, well, of course you lost the weight.

00:32:02.000 You got money.

00:32:02.000 It's easy.

00:32:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:04.000 I was like, buddy, money can't make you run these six miles.

00:32:06.000 No, everybody who says that is just making an excuse for why they haven't done it themselves.

00:32:10.000 You can't never say, of course, you did it.

00:32:12.000 You have this.

00:32:13.000 Just fucking do it.

00:32:14.000 Just go do it.

00:32:15.000 Just do it.

00:32:16.000 And yeah, it's going to be hard.

00:32:18.000 And especially if your hormones are all fucked up and your insulin levels all fucked up, it's going to be hard.

00:32:24.000 But you can do it.

00:32:25.000 Well, the biggest thing, too, is stick with it, Joe.

00:32:28.000 Yes.

00:32:28.000 That's my heart, y'all.

00:32:29.000 It's like, it's all my money.

00:32:30.000 That's why I said, give yourself one year, not three months.

00:32:33.000 Because if I gave myself three months, I'd have been upset.

00:32:35.000 I didn't lose enough weight.

00:32:36.000 It didn't go the way it's supposed to go.

00:32:38.000 I'd have gone back into my shame spiral.

00:32:40.000 We were talking about this.

00:32:41.000 My whole thing was stress, overwhelm, food, shame, repeat.

00:32:45.000 That's what I did.

00:32:47.000 I lived in that spiral.

00:32:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:49.000 And it's like, oh, I've been working hard.

00:32:50.000 I'm not getting it.

00:32:51.000 Sad me.

00:32:52.000 I'm going to go to the pantry and punish myself.

00:32:53.000 You know, I'm never going to lose this weight.

00:32:55.000 Where it's like, if I'd have just waited for the year and really said, no, man, I'm going to go birthday to birthday.

00:33:00.000 Which is why when me and Cam ran on this birthday of mine, it was so important to me because I was like, two birthdays ago was the first day I even thought about changing my life.

00:33:08.000 And even last birthday, I was 400, you know, 380 pounds.

00:33:11.000 And now this birthday, I'm running a 5K with Cam Haynes.

00:33:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:33:15.000 Like, dude, y'all can change it.

00:33:17.000 If you hated your birthday this year, just give yourself a year.

00:33:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:20.000 You can have a whole different birthday.

00:33:21.000 It's hard for people because they want immediate gratification.

00:33:26.000 You know, they really want it all to happen immediately, especially in the society that we exist in today where everything, I mean, this is why GLP1s are so enticing for people because you can get immediate gratification. 1.00

00:33:37.000 You know, and sometimes you got to just, you got to focus on little victories, these little tiny victories.

00:33:45.000 Today I didn't eat cake.

00:33:47.000 That's it.

00:33:47.000 That's a little victory, you know?

00:33:49.000 And momentum is everything.

00:33:51.000 It's like that first day when your family was cheering you.

00:33:54.000 That's what it's all about.

00:33:55.000 It's all about you did it.

00:33:57.000 You went out in the rain when you didn't want to.

00:34:00.000 You did it.

00:34:01.000 You came back.

00:34:02.000 Now you've got momentum.

00:34:03.000 You have that good feeling of success.

00:34:05.000 And that will enable you to continue to chase that good feeling.

00:34:11.000 That's the good addiction.

00:34:12.000 I'm clearly addicted to exercise.

00:34:15.000 If I take a couple of days off, I don't feel right.

00:34:17.000 If I take a day off, I feel weird.

00:34:19.000 I feel squirrely.

00:34:20.000 Like, I got all this extra fucking fucking weird shit.

00:34:24.000 Leave me alone.

00:34:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:27.000 I get weird, man.

00:34:28.000 I get weird.

00:34:29.000 I feel weird if I don't do it.

00:34:30.000 And I know people are like, that's horrible.

00:34:32.000 Something wrong with you.

00:34:34.000 But it's a good thing wrong with me.

00:34:34.000 Sure.

00:34:36.000 I'm addicted to a good thing.

00:34:39.000 I'm addicted to staying healthy.

00:34:42.000 They say addicts, addiction swap.

00:34:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:45.000 Yeah, I've never had a bad addiction, fortunately.

00:34:48.000 But I've had a bunch of addictions.

00:34:50.000 I've had video game addictions.

00:34:52.000 I'm addicted to playing pool.

00:34:53.000 I was addicted to martial arts.

00:34:55.000 But I've been addicted to things that are beneficial, luckily.

00:35:00.000 Luckily.

00:35:01.000 But I'm scared of all the other ones.

00:35:03.000 I know it's the same thing.

00:35:04.000 How much of that do you think has played a part in your environment and friend group?

00:35:10.000 It's huge.

00:35:11.000 Because if you can get around a bunch of other people that are addicted to good things, then you're all just doing good things and you're all feeding off of each other.

00:35:11.000 Huge.

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 It's everything, man.

00:35:21.000 You imitate your atmosphere always.

00:35:24.000 This is why I can't be around negative people.

00:35:28.000 I'm too sensitive.

00:35:30.000 And I'm around negative people.

00:35:31.000 First, I try to help them.

00:35:32.000 Then I try to coach them.

00:35:34.000 Then I try to like see the world through their eyes.

00:35:37.000 And then I'm reacting to them.

00:35:39.000 And then I'm like, fuck, man, you're not helping me.

00:35:41.000 I'm not helping you.

00:35:43.000 You're just dragging me into your vibration.

00:35:46.000 And I don't like it.

00:35:47.000 And if you don't want to change, there's not much I can do with this.

00:35:50.000 And so I got to just ghost you.

00:35:52.000 I got to separate because if you save a drowning man, you know, sometimes you can drown yourself.

00:36:00.000 Right.

00:36:00.000 You know, and there's a lot of people out there that have wasted years and years of their life in toxic friendships.

00:36:07.000 Yeah.

00:36:08.000 You know, with negative people.

00:36:11.000 That's what made me bring it up.

00:36:12.000 It's easy to do, man.

00:36:14.000 It's not, it's not a mark on your character.

00:36:18.000 It's a normal thing that people do.

00:36:20.000 And when you're around a bunch of people that are positive and that are inspirational, then all of a sudden you start holding yourself accountable.

00:36:27.000 You're like, you know, what would David Goggins do?

00:36:30.000 You know, like, what would Cam Haynes do?

00:36:31.000 What would Cam Haynes do?

00:36:32.000 Yeah, what would Jocko do?

00:36:34.000 And that, that's a good thing.

00:36:36.000 What would Rogan do?

00:36:37.000 Yeah.

00:36:38.000 I know you don't like it when we give you compliments, but we think about it.

00:36:42.000 I said that because like, I wondered if that was for you because the biggest thing to my note here is new playground, new playmates.

00:36:49.000 You can't heal in the environment that hurts you.

00:36:51.000 You know, and it's like, I started praying for new friends five years ago, like on my knees to God directly.

00:36:51.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 Like, God, I've done everything I can for every friend I brought with me along the way.

00:37:01.000 Everybody who came with me can't go with me.

00:37:03.000 Everybody's not growing at the rate I'm growing.

00:37:05.000 I need new friends.

00:37:05.000 Right.

00:37:07.000 I'm hanging around, you know.

00:37:08.000 When I was cheating on my wife, I was hanging around people that were cheating on their wives. 0.88

00:37:11.000 When I was drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons of cocaine, I was hanging around people that were doing tons of alcohol and tons of cocaine.

00:37:17.000 So I'm like, I don't, I want to be an, I want to change.

00:37:19.000 Like, send me some friends.

00:37:22.000 Send me, just send me some new interests.

00:37:25.000 And then I'd start bumping into, you know, I guess six, seven, whatever it was years ago, guys like Cam Haynes, guys like Goggins.

00:37:31.000 And I didn't realize it then when they came into my universe.

00:37:34.000 It was just from a distance in a YouTube channel.

00:37:36.000 Like, oh, this dude's fucking nuts.

00:37:37.000 Who's this guy screaming at the camera running all these miles?

00:37:39.000 Yo, who is this guy that won't quit his job?

00:37:42.000 That is like the greatest bow hunter ever and runs ultra marathons and like is refusing to quit his job.

00:37:46.000 The internet's like campaigning.

00:37:47.000 Quit your job, Cam.

00:37:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:49.000 I was like, who are these guys?

00:37:50.000 These guys are awesome.

00:37:52.000 And even then, that's where the little scared kid of me comes out.

00:37:56.000 Like, oh, man, but you can't do that, dude.

00:37:58.000 You know how far you are away from even being able to talk to a guy like that or being able to run or like you're just too far.

00:38:05.000 Even down to bow hunting.

00:38:06.000 I'm a felon, so I'm not allowed to possess a firearm or be within a thousand feet of one knowingly.

00:38:12.000 So I've never been able to hunt.

00:38:15.000 Well, I didn't think about the loophole.

00:38:17.000 Y'all know it.

00:38:18.000 The bow.

00:38:18.000 The bow hunt.

00:38:19.000 You know, but also then you're 500 pounds.

00:38:21.000 I was like, we're not really going to bow hunt.

00:38:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:24.000 But it was new playgrounds, new playmates.

00:38:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:27.000 And I started really believing that and like just finding that my uncle always said, if you hang around nine, you'll be the 10th.

00:38:35.000 So just look at the nine closest to you.

00:38:37.000 And even if it wasn't a friends at first, it was just me being inspired by different stuff.

00:38:41.000 Back to digging it, do it.

00:38:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:43.000 Like, dig it, do it.

00:38:44.000 And I got into this.

00:38:45.000 I was into, I signed up for the Two Bears 5K because Bert was my friend and I thought their podcast was funny.

00:38:51.000 I never even met Tom.

00:38:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:53.000 I was like, this is a cool way to do it.

00:38:55.000 Like, you know, like, yeah, I'm on the internet, 500 pounds, waddling down a back road going, I'm going to my first 5K and me, everybody.

00:38:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:03.000 It's like, and I'm like, I'm ready.

00:39:06.000 And I call Cam because we're friends by then.

00:39:09.000 And I'm all excited, 470, walking my first two miles, a mile that day or whatever it was.

00:39:13.000 I ran a whole, walked a whole mile, called Cam.

00:39:15.000 I'm doing a 5K Cam Cam.

00:39:16.000 I'm going to come support you.

00:39:17.000 And Cam and Philip Franklin Lee walked that 5K with me.

00:39:21.000 It took us an hour and a half, Joe.

00:39:23.000 I mean, listen, I'm surprised Cam.

00:39:25.000 Cam could have rolled faster.

00:39:26.000 He could have crawled.

00:39:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:28.000 We watched both of his kids run by us three times in jeans.

00:39:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:34.000 But that's like, it goes back to changing your friends.

00:39:37.000 Like, it was a guy that wanted to lift me up.

00:39:39.000 A guy that Cam, Cam used to tap me on the shoulder when I was 500 pounds and go, dude, we're going to bow hunt one day.

00:39:45.000 I'm going to take you bow hunting, dude.

00:39:47.000 And I would remember thinking, this motherfucker's crazy.

00:39:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:51.000 Like, there's no way me and this dude are ever bow hunting, you know?

00:39:56.000 And we're bow hunting.

00:39:57.000 You know, I just came out of a blind this morning.

00:39:59.000 I've been down there bow hunting with Cam, ran my first 10K with him yesterday.

00:40:03.000 But it was, it was completely the new playground, new playmates thing for me.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 You know?

00:40:08.000 Yeah, it's fuel.

00:40:10.000 If you can get around people that are real positive and that are doing good things and they're excited about life, it's very contagious.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, it is.

00:40:17.000 I think that's one of the really positive things about the internet, that you can be introduced to the way these people live their lives.

00:40:25.000 And you can see videos on them.

00:40:27.000 You could hear them talk on podcasts.

00:40:29.000 And you can realize that people like this exist.

00:40:32.000 And then try to find them, you know, and try to find people like that and try to become like them.

00:40:38.000 You can.

00:40:39.000 You could assume those positive attributes and you can incorporate them into your life.

00:40:44.000 It's completely possible.

00:40:46.000 For sure.

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:47.000 And it's real.

00:40:48.000 I mean, I did it.

00:40:49.000 I am an somebody is listening to this right now.

00:40:52.000 And as crazy as this is going to sound, I was you eight years ago.

00:40:56.000 I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:40:58.000 It was the beginning of me starting to be like, what I put in my body comes out.

00:41:02.000 What I eat, I shit.

00:41:04.000 What I drink, I piss.

00:41:05.000 What I hear, I believe.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:08.000 And then I realized I was listening to a bunch of true crime, a bunch of negative stuff on my phone all the time.

00:41:13.000 I was watching fist fights at bars.

00:41:14.000 Like this was my algorithm.

00:41:16.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:17.000 My algorithm was just completely fucked.

00:41:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:19.000 So it's like, okay, I need to start changing my, I need to find cooler stuff to put into my algorithm, things, more knowledge, learning stuff.

00:41:19.000 Yeah.

00:41:26.000 Tell me, what have you done with the phone thing?

00:41:28.000 So the phone thing is interesting.

00:41:30.000 It's been real interesting.

00:41:31.000 I got one now.

00:41:31.000 I got one two months ago.

00:41:33.000 So part of the weight loss, I took a year off of a phone completely.

00:41:33.000 I took a year.

00:41:36.000 Well, you know, I used to get drunk and give my number to everybody in the bar.

00:41:39.000 So I would wake up after an award show and have like 3,000 unread text messages of people like congratulations.

00:41:45.000 And I was just like, oh, God.

00:41:47.000 I was missing like big messages, you know?

00:41:49.000 Yeah, that's a problem with me.

00:41:50.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 I got that problem.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, I could imagine where you look back and you're like, the president text me.

00:41:55.000 No, not me, but I bet that's happened to you.

00:41:56.000 You're like, I missed an entire text from somebody of that stature, you know?

00:42:00.000 And you're like, dude, this is crazy.

00:42:01.000 And I was like, I don't, I think that I was using it as another way not to connect.

00:42:06.000 I have an avoidant personality.

00:42:08.000 Like, I'll isolate or I can do it just right in a room full of people if I hop on the phone.

00:42:13.000 And I was just like, man, I want to be more present.

00:42:16.000 You know, I remember sitting doing stuff with my son and daughter and I was like scrolling Instagram once again, watching bar fights.

00:42:21.000 You know, nothing, nothing that was helping.

00:42:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:23.000 I was like, I'm just, I'm just like completely disconnected.

00:42:26.000 It's another addiction.

00:42:27.000 It's another.

00:42:28.000 And with my personality, I got to watch those.

00:42:30.000 So I got a phone two months ago and I just didn't put social media on it.

00:42:34.000 I have YouTube because that's my app.

00:42:36.000 And I trust, you know, YouTube is where I get good stuff.

00:42:38.000 It doesn't give me 60-second bursts of shit I don't need.

00:42:41.000 It gives me long form of good stuff.

00:42:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:44.000 I find channels that I like really dig.

00:42:46.000 And it's like back to new playground, new playmates.

00:42:49.000 I never, I know I'm super late to the party.

00:42:51.000 Never heard of the outdoor boys until last year.

00:42:54.000 Okay.

00:42:55.000 Whoa.

00:42:56.000 I've been missing a whole new thing of life.

00:42:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:58.000 He's back, right?

00:42:59.000 He's doing it again.

00:43:00.000 He's back-ish, yeah.

00:43:01.000 He took some time off, right?

00:43:03.000 I think he felt like got overwhelming.

00:43:05.000 Yeah, the success of his channel got too crazy.

00:43:09.000 He didn't enjoy the pressure.

00:43:12.000 You know what I think he was doing?

00:43:13.000 This is, look, you want to speculate a little bit together about this?

00:43:16.000 I think he was doing the coolest dad thing ever because he goes on there and goes, look, this has been a little overwhelming for me and my family.

00:43:21.000 Me and my wife are out of this.

00:43:22.000 And frankly, I got two boys that want to be YouTubers themselves.

00:43:26.000 So I think I'm just going to help them.

00:43:27.000 And I follow his son's channel.

00:43:29.000 His son's got 3,000 subscribers.

00:43:31.000 He camps by himself like his dad did.

00:43:32.000 He's 12 years old doing solo camping chests.

00:43:34.000 Dude, his name's Outdoor Tom.

00:43:36.000 So it's like, and he's been posting, and his dad's on his channel.

00:43:40.000 So I think the dad just built his channel, got big, and was like, dude, I think I'm just going to leave this legacy for the boys, man.

00:43:44.000 But he's kind of been poking his nose back around here and there.

00:43:44.000 I'll just help them out.

00:43:47.000 And he helped his friend out that had cancer.

00:43:49.000 I thought that was the coolest thing.

00:43:50.000 Yeah.

00:43:51.000 What was the name of that channel, Jamie?

00:43:52.000 I don't want to blow this.

00:43:53.000 They deserve a shout out because that was really cool.

00:43:55.000 My Life Outdoors.

00:43:56.000 Yep.

00:43:56.000 My Life Outdoors.

00:43:57.000 And so that was a recent video that they made.

00:44:00.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 He's a very interesting guy.

00:44:03.000 You know, I wish he'd come talk to you.

00:44:05.000 I would, if he was interested, I'd definitely have him on.

00:44:08.000 I really have, I watch a lot of those shows.

00:44:11.000 That's one part of my YouTube algorithm: dudes who go out into the woods by themselves.

00:44:16.000 This is my new algorithm.

00:44:18.000 See, this is me trying to change my playground because this is all back in into shape, Joe.

00:44:22.000 Like now, I don't look at that as an unachievable task.

00:44:26.000 I look at that like next winter, me and Cam are going to go hunt somewhere.

00:44:30.000 We're going to take a fucking tent.

00:44:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:32.000 We're going to go out there and get lost in the woods.

00:44:34.000 Camp on your back.

00:44:34.000 I think we can do it, dude.

00:44:36.000 I think I'm going to be in shape enough to do it.

00:44:37.000 You're probably in shape enough to do it right now.

00:44:39.000 I'm only going to get better, Jim.

00:44:41.000 No, I mean, I watched you on the treadmill today, man.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:44.000 You're in shape to do it right now.

00:44:45.000 Thank you.

00:44:46.000 Yeah, you could do it.

00:44:47.000 It's that's a beautiful thing, man.

00:44:50.000 It's a really beautiful thing.

00:44:52.000 And just to be out in the woods like that is, it's a, I think it's like a form of vitamin that people haven't recognized yet.

00:44:59.000 It's medicine.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, there's something to it.

00:45:02.000 I mean, that sounds cokey and new agey, but I'm telling you, man, if I don't get my time in in the woods at least a couple times a year, three or two, and I really want to do it way more often.

00:45:14.000 I just can't.

00:45:15.000 I just, I'm just too busy.

00:45:16.000 But it's, it empties all the bullshit out of my life.

00:45:21.000 The mountains don't give a fuck what's going on in your life or how many likes your last fucking social media post got or who's upset at you.

00:45:29.000 They don't care.

00:45:31.000 You know, the mountains are the mountains.

00:45:33.000 Those animals don't give a fuck if you just won the Grammy. 1.00

00:45:36.000 You know, they don't give a shit.

00:45:38.000 Oh, Jellyroll's here.

00:45:39.000 Let me offer him my vitals.

00:45:42.000 No, sir.

00:45:43.000 Not the case at all.

00:45:44.000 There's no charisma out there.

00:45:47.000 There's no cult of personality.

00:45:49.000 There's no, it's all, it's just wild and it's beautiful.

00:45:53.000 You always been outdoors, man.

00:45:54.000 No, I used to fish when I was a kid.

00:45:57.000 I used to really love fishing.

00:45:59.000 And, you know, then I got away from all of it for a long time until Ronella took me hunting.

00:46:07.000 And that's when I got that mule deer, that one that's sitting on the table right there.

00:46:10.000 That was the first animal I ever shot.

00:46:12.000 A bow or rifle?

00:46:13.000 Rifle.

00:46:14.000 That was a rifle.

00:46:15.000 And then Cam took me on my first hunt with a bow.

00:46:17.000 I got a black bear.

00:46:19.000 That was your first hunt with a bear?

00:46:21.000 God.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:22.000 I'm trying to get him to take me one of those in May.

00:46:24.000 And I want to do elk next year.

00:46:24.000 It's good.

00:46:26.000 Bear is a good one because, first of all, it's scary, you know, which I think is good.

00:46:32.000 And dude, that's funny.

00:46:34.000 There's something about eating a bear that's just wild.

00:46:38.000 They're kind of fatty, right?

00:46:39.000 It feels crazy.

00:46:40.000 Yeah, well, not that bad.

00:46:42.000 I mean, they definitely have a lot of fat on them.

00:46:44.000 They taste good.

00:46:45.000 That's a big misconception.

00:46:46.000 I mean, I've never eaten a grizzly bear, which I've heard are pretty rough.

00:46:49.000 But my friend Ryan Callahan just shot a grizzly bear and he says it's delicious.

00:46:54.000 I think the thing about a bear that's a little daunting for a lot of people is trichinosis.

00:47:00.000 And you have to cook a bear like 100 and I think they're, I think the number is 160.

00:47:07.000 I think that's what it is.

00:47:08.000 Where you, you know, you got to make sure that that meat is 160 degrees, you know, so you don't get any parasites.

00:47:15.000 Because trichinosis is rough.

00:47:17.000 God, I can't believe your first bow hunt was a bear.

00:47:20.000 I'm on my first bow hunt as we speak.

00:47:23.000 Yeah.

00:47:23.000 And it's for a deer.

00:47:24.000 And I definitely, I needed to do this if I'm going to see a bear.

00:47:28.000 I am out there, I mean, stomach and heart and stomach, stomach and pants.

00:47:34.000 Cam took me bear hunting because in Alberta, the way they do it, they do it over bait.

00:47:41.000 So they set out oats and they use beaver carcasses and all these different things so the animals.

00:47:47.000 And people are like, oh, that's cheating.

00:47:49.000 Listen, there is no other way to find these animals in Alberta.

00:47:53.000 You're talking about dense forest, a dense forest that looks like a box of q-tips. 0.99

00:47:59.000 Like, you can't see shit out there.

00:48:01.000 You're not going to find them before they see you coming or hear you coming or smell you coming.

00:48:06.000 If you want to hunt them, you have to use bait or you have to use dogs.

00:48:10.000 And, you know, that's how they used to hunt them in a lot of places.

00:48:14.000 They used to, you know, tree them with dogs, then people would shoot them.

00:48:17.000 And people are like, well, that's horrible, too.

00:48:19.000 But you have to control their populations.

00:48:21.000 If you understand wildlife biology and wildlife management, you must control the populations of predators.

00:48:28.000 And then, you know, like John and Jen up in Alberta, where they took me, they know how to cook bear, like really good.

00:48:34.000 Jen is an excellent cook, and she'll cook a bear roast, and she rubs it down and puts it in a Traeger, and they'll slow cook it for 12 hours. 0.94

00:48:44.000 You smoke in the bear?

00:48:45.000 Was it the bear you killed?

00:48:46.000 You did eat that one?

00:48:47.000 We definitely ate some of that, too.

00:48:48.000 And there's another thing that Renella taught me called bear candy, which was great.

00:48:52.000 It's like basically like, it's like Chinese food.

00:48:54.000 It's like sweet and sour bear.

00:48:56.000 It was really good.

00:48:56.000 Wow.

00:48:57.000 Yeah.

00:48:58.000 And then Cam brought over some bear sticks.

00:49:01.000 He gets some meat sticks made at this one butcher that he goes to, this one meat processing place.

00:49:06.000 But the misconception is that bear tastes bad.

00:49:09.000 It does not taste bad.

00:49:10.000 It tastes like beef.

00:49:12.000 It tastes like a weird, beefy kind of animal.

00:49:15.000 You know, here's a weird fun fact.

00:49:17.000 When settlers were the pioneers first were making their way across North America, they didn't eat deer.

00:49:24.000 They were eating bear.

00:49:26.000 And they were using deer for skins.

00:49:29.000 So a deer skin was worth $1.

00:49:32.000 And that's where the term buck come from.

00:49:35.000 No fucking way.

00:49:36.000 Yes.

00:49:37.000 The term a buck comes from the price of a deer skin.

00:49:42.000 No.

00:49:42.000 And they were just throwing the meat away.

00:49:44.000 Exactly.

00:49:45.000 Wow.

00:49:45.000 How long ago was this?

00:49:47.000 The 1700s, 1800s.

00:49:49.000 They didn't know anybody.

00:49:50.000 Wow.

00:49:51.000 Not only that, you know all those buffalo that people shot?

00:49:53.000 Like, buffalo is like very expensive meat.

00:49:56.000 It's fantastic.

00:49:56.000 It's delicious.

00:49:57.000 I think it's superior to beef.

00:49:59.000 They didn't eat the beef.

00:50:00.000 They didn't eat the buffalo.

00:50:02.000 They were eating their tongues.

00:50:03.000 They were killing them initially for their tongues, and then they would pickle the tongues and send them to New York. 0.92

00:50:09.000 And people in New York were eating pickled buffalo tongues.

00:50:12.000 They were throwing away thousands of pounds of buffalo, good buffalo meat.

00:50:12.000 Wow.

00:50:16.000 Oh, thousands of pounds.

00:50:16.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 And then they started using their skins, so buffalo hides became valuable, but it wasn't the meat that they were after, which is crazy because they basically almost made them extinct.

00:50:29.000 They came like within a hair's breadth of making bison extinct in North America.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, just by giving away tongues.

00:50:37.000 Well, also because they opened it up to the market.

00:50:40.000 So market hunting was a giant problem with wildlife in North America.

00:50:44.000 So what that means is they didn't have refrigeration back then, right?

00:50:49.000 So you needed a constant supply of meat.

00:50:51.000 And you could salt things down and transport them that way.

00:50:55.000 And there's a bunch of different ways to avoid the breakdown of bacteria.

00:50:59.000 But essentially, you couldn't, there was no fucking freezers, you know?

00:51:03.000 So market hunting almost wiped out all the whitetail.

00:51:07.000 It removed elk from most states.

00:51:10.000 The states that have elk, wild elk right now are a tiny handful of the states that used to have elk in like the 1600s, the 1700s.

00:51:19.000 It's all the settlers came from, you know, wherever, and they shot them all. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Wow.

00:51:24.000 And they shot them all and brought them all to market. 0.93

00:51:27.000 You know, that was a lot of it.

00:51:28.000 And so then they made market hunting illegal.

00:51:31.000 And then, you know, they designated areas public land.

00:51:34.000 And, you know, this is the Teddy Roosevelt thing.

00:51:37.000 And what they did was really an amazing amazing example of conservation in North America that really doesn't exist anywhere else is our wildlife management and also our natural resources public land management.

00:51:54.000 So we have public land in North America where you could apply for a tag.

00:52:01.000 You could get it like we did with that mule deer.

00:52:03.000 We shot that mule deer in Montana.

00:52:05.000 We got a tag and went out into the Missouri Breaks.

00:52:09.000 And then we, you know, found that animal and shot it and ate it.

00:52:13.000 And anybody could do that.

00:52:15.000 You, it's part of you being an American if you fill out the right paperwork and pay for the tags and all that pays for the management of this land and for wildlife biologists and park rangers and all those kind of different people that game wardens that help you know keep all this stuff managed.

00:52:35.000 Wow.

00:52:35.000 See, I didn't even know you could hunt public lands until recently whenever Cam and them were fighting back about the bill that was trying to get rid of some of it.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, man.

00:52:42.000 They were trying to sell off some public land into fucking dangerous, slippery slope.

00:52:47.000 And you can't let that happen ever.

00:52:49.000 It's kind of like freedom of speech, man.

00:52:51.000 Any infraction of freedom of speech is a complete infraction of freedom of speech.

00:52:57.000 I mean, it's deteriorating really badly right now in the UK.

00:53:00.000 I'm loving the outdoors, though.

00:53:01.000 I'm loving learning about it.

00:53:02.000 Like, even hearing you talk, I'm just over here like, yes.

00:53:05.000 Oh, it's an amazing thing.

00:53:06.000 You know, I just got my first hunting license yesterday.

00:53:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:10.000 Day before yesterday.

00:53:11.000 So it's a big deal for me.

00:53:12.000 That's awesome.

00:53:13.000 I'm having you want to hear my first big amateur mistake I made?

00:53:15.000 Sure.

00:53:16.000 I told you one of them, but I'll tell you why I didn't tell you because it's way better.

00:53:16.000 This is a good one.

00:53:18.000 I'll say this one for the air.

00:53:21.000 We're in there the first night, and it's like kind of not nippy, but it's like when the sun went down, it was cool, but it was still, you know, I was so adrenaline up.

00:53:28.000 The first night, a doe comes out, Joe, and I thought I was going to shit myself.

00:53:33.000 I mean, I had to stand up.

00:53:34.000 I farted.

00:53:35.000 My stomach was bad.

00:53:36.000 It was just so, it was every emotion I didn't think I was going to feel.

00:53:40.000 And I'm doing it with like the greatest bow hunter ever sitting behind me.

00:53:43.000 And lucky for us, Cam's a sweet dude, so he's just entertained by it.

00:53:46.000 He really loves helping people get into bow hunting.

00:53:49.000 You know, that speaks again to who he is.

00:53:51.000 Like, to be who you are in that, that'd be like me loving going and meeting first-time songwriters.

00:53:58.000 Like, I've never wrote a song, and me be like, that's my favorite.

00:54:00.000 Let me sit down and show you how to start.

00:54:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:02.000 Which I don't necessarily feel that way, to be honest.

00:54:04.000 So it's like for him to care.

00:54:07.000 But I'm sitting there, and the next morning we go, and it's fucking cold.

00:54:13.000 And I'm shaking anyways because, you know, I'm nervous.

00:54:16.000 And I'm shaking because it's cold.

00:54:17.000 So when we go back that night, I bring my hoodie in case it gets cold, but I don't put it on.

00:54:21.000 And we're sitting there, and as soon as the sun goes down a little bit, it gets cold in that blind bubble.

00:54:26.000 And I'm sitting there like.

00:54:26.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 Well, you're also not moving.

00:54:29.000 Not moving.

00:54:30.000 If you were walking around in the cold, that's a different.

00:54:33.000 No, we're just sitting and I'm like.

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:35.000 And I'm like, cold, cold.

00:54:37.000 And I don't even think about it.

00:54:39.000 Now, keep in mind, there's two does in front of us, and there's a buck maybe 80 yards away.

00:54:45.000 Cam said this, and it's the most gangster thing.

00:54:47.000 Bow hunting starts where rifle hunting ends.

00:54:52.000 Bow hunting begins where rifle hunting ends.

00:54:55.000 The moment you see a buck when you're rifle hunting, for those listeners that don't know, you just shoot it.

00:54:59.000 It's that easy.

00:54:59.000 You see the buck, you better shoot it right then.

00:55:01.000 As soon as you get a clean shot, the moment you see the buck when you're bow hunting, that's Operation Chill.

00:55:08.000 Get him as close as you can get him and find the right shot.

00:55:10.000 It's the total opposite of rifle hunting, which I haven't rifle hunted since I was 10, anyways.

00:55:15.000 But so I'm sitting there and it's cold, and I see the buck in the back, and I'm like, you know what?

00:55:20.000 Yes, sir.

00:55:20.000 Can I ask you something?

00:55:21.000 You're not allowed to own a firearm.

00:55:23.000 Are you allowed to operate one?

00:55:24.000 No, sir.

00:55:25.000 No, so you can't rifle hunt at all.

00:55:27.000 No, sir.

00:55:27.000 I'm on my first hunt pretty much.

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00:56:46.000 And is that forever?

00:56:47.000 Well, this is interesting.

00:56:49.000 I am slippery float for me.

00:56:53.000 I am up for a pardon this year.

00:56:55.000 My paperwork has been sent into my governor, and he considers pardons in every December.

00:57:00.000 So, every day, I'm just kind of praying.

00:57:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:04.000 But even if he gives me the pardon, unfortunately, Tennessee has a zero forgiveness policy for violent offenders.

00:57:10.000 So, I would be pardoned, but I wouldn't be adjudicated.

00:57:14.000 What's it called?

00:57:15.000 When they exonerated.

00:57:19.000 I wouldn't be the charges aren't completely gone.

00:57:22.000 So, what I'd have to do is, and this is my hope, is that my goal in this is that I want to reach out to legislation eventually and go, Hey, like, if nothing else, I'd like my run my right to hunt.

00:57:33.000 Like, it's done a lot for my mental health, it's done a lot for my physical health.

00:57:38.000 Like, it's been a being able to start going on that first bow.

00:57:42.000 These are little markers that I put on the calendar.

00:57:44.000 You know, when I'm 400-something pounds, and I'm like, All right, next year, Cam said he's taking me on my bow hunt.

00:57:49.000 I got to get there.

00:57:50.000 Like, all right, next year, I'm not going to run that 5K in an hour and a half.

00:57:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:53.000 I'm going to do it in 45 minutes.

00:57:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:55.000 Like, these are those markers.

00:57:56.000 So, I want to go to them and go, Look, I understand if you've ever raped somebody or killed somebody, but I think that every it should there should be some path to redemption, even if it takes 30 years.

00:58:08.000 Put something unrealistic up there.

00:58:09.000 You don't can't get a speeding ticket for 20 years, but like, I think it's important for people to have a path to redemption.

00:58:15.000 I'm a redemption guy, and you know, if God didn't just show me so many paths, you know what I mean?

00:58:20.000 Well, I think it's one of the more beautiful aspects of Christianity, right?

00:58:23.000 That it does offer you a path to redemption, like a true, legitimate path where you can become a different person.

00:58:28.000 Literally, yeah, and people not judge you on the old person anymore, judge you on the person's life.

00:58:32.000 I get it for the public safety aspect of it, it's hard to know if a person's redeemed themselves.

00:58:37.000 I get that, it's hard.

00:58:38.000 And if you make the wrong decision, man, I couldn't bear the burden of your conscience of that neither, right?

00:58:43.000 But then you do have cases, and I know I'm not the only one of people who have like even little things.

00:58:49.000 Like, I mean, outside of hunting, Joe, it's not that I'm a big, you know, I don't have a I just wish I could protect myself, right?

00:58:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:56.000 It's like I'm a million dollars plus a year in security, I'd cut that bill in half tomorrow if I had a great carry, right?

00:59:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:03.000 For sure, you know, but um, but at least let me hunt.

00:59:06.000 I mean, my heart's right, I just want to feed the family and go out and spend some time with the boys and do some population control.

00:59:11.000 We don't kill them deer in Tennessee, they're taking over anyways.

00:59:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:16.000 They're every not like these monsters down here, but they're everywhere.

00:59:19.000 Yeah, well, that place that you're at is a particularly unique place.

00:59:23.000 Cactus Jack.

00:59:24.000 Giant deer.

00:59:25.000 Dude, it's called Hunt Cactus Jack.

00:59:28.000 Do you remember the old vice president from here?

00:59:28.000 I found this out.

00:59:30.000 It was called Cactus Jack?

00:59:31.000 No.

00:59:32.000 Will you look this up, Jamie?

00:59:33.000 This is a cool story.

00:59:34.000 So the vice president, I think it might have been during Roosevelt's term, maybe even, or one of those.

00:59:41.000 Maybe Teddy.

00:59:43.000 But his vice president was a Texas governor or something.

00:59:46.000 And the guy was famous because he's the one who tried to make the cactus plant the Texas state plant.

00:59:52.000 So they called him Cactus Jack because of that.

00:59:55.000 And then Cactus Jack, yeah, this is.

00:59:56.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:59:57.000 There's Cactus Jack.

00:59:59.000 Look at him, dude.

01:00:00.000 He looks like he acts like Cactus Jack.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, Jim Nance Gardner.

01:00:04.000 Wow.

01:00:05.000 He was a lawyer, a longtime congressman.

01:00:07.000 He was the one who tried to make the cactus the safe flow for Texas.

01:00:10.000 Wow.

01:00:11.000 Yeah.

01:00:12.000 Who was the advice president to Roosevelt?

01:00:13.000 Yeah.

01:00:14.000 The effort failed in favor of the blue bonnet, but Cactus Jack Moniker stuck with him throughout his long political career.

01:00:21.000 So when he opened this place how many years ago, the guy who bought it from him was super excited.

01:00:28.000 He told me the story last year.

01:00:31.000 That's Cactus Jack, dude.

01:00:32.000 That's a cigar with two pistols.

01:00:36.000 We could never get away with that right now in politics.

01:00:40.000 I know, right?

01:00:41.000 But Cactus Jack, but the ranch is great.

01:00:43.000 The guy who owns it, Mr. Jerry, was telling me the history of it last night.

01:00:46.000 They kept true Texas deer genetics.

01:00:50.000 A lot of the Texas ranches will have import genetics.

01:00:53.000 And he was like, Cactus Jack was big about making this a tried and true Texas ranch.

01:00:58.000 And he is dead set on dying by keeping it that way.

01:01:02.000 This guy, Jerry, that owns it.

01:01:04.000 Well, it's like, especially South Texas, hunting white-tailed deer is like a religion.

01:01:09.000 It's a religion, too.

01:01:10.000 Yeah, it's a big thing for those folks.

01:01:13.000 Big deal.

01:01:14.000 And to grow big deer down there and to make sure that you manage the genetics correctly.

01:01:19.000 Like you don't shoot any animal that's under like six or seven years old.

01:01:24.000 And there's a place that I hunt in Utah that does that with elk.

01:01:28.000 It's like they, a really well-managed place does that.

01:01:32.000 They make sure.

01:01:33.000 So like there's some places where when they have hunting season, everybody just goes out into the woods.

01:01:40.000 Kids get a day off school and they shoot everything they can, which is great.

01:01:44.000 You get meat.

01:01:45.000 It's great.

01:01:46.000 But the problem is, if you want very impressive animals that are mature, which is also better for the entire genetics of the herd, because these are the animals that have lived a full life.

01:02:00.000 They've spread their genes.

01:02:01.000 And then you shoot them at the end, at the end of their life.

01:02:04.000 So they've had a long, full.

01:02:06.000 And by the way, when you're getting an animal that's seven, eight, nine years old, they really don't have much time left.

01:02:12.000 Well, you know, they were telling me you're so right about that.

01:02:14.000 They were saying some of them, they'll try to wait and let them have another year and they won't make it anyways.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, they won't make it through the winter.

01:02:20.000 Sometimes they'll just, you know, they just won't make it.

01:02:22.000 He said, so they've, yeah, no, they're dead.

01:02:24.000 This guy's doing it.

01:02:25.000 I mean, obviously, I'm not the case study.

01:02:27.000 Cam should talk about it because I've been on one hunt.

01:02:30.000 But the deer I see on my property back home compared to these deer, these deers would eat those deers.

01:02:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:35.000 Like these deers would fuck those deers in the butt.

01:02:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:39.000 It's like, it just, it's a totally different thing.

01:02:43.000 It is a different thing.

01:02:44.000 But that's a very exceptional place.

01:02:46.000 So I go to put my hoodie on.

01:02:49.000 That's where I fuck up, Joe.

01:02:50.000 I'm cold in this fucking blind.

01:02:52.000 And I say, Cam, hold my boat.

01:02:54.000 I should have said, Cam, can I put my hoodie on?

01:02:56.000 Because Cam would have been like, no.

01:02:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:58.000 But I was like, all right.

01:02:59.000 And in my mind, Joe, I was going to slide one arm through.

01:03:03.000 And I was going to wait 30 seconds to slide the other arm through because I didn't want to be shaken if I got my shot.

01:03:07.000 And I seen my buck across the field.

01:03:09.000 Right.

01:03:10.000 But I put first arm through and I looked up.

01:03:13.000 It was like a movie, Joe.

01:03:14.000 All three deer in the field went right into my soul and ran away.

01:03:19.000 And I looked at Cam.

01:03:20.000 I was like, that was me, huh?

01:03:22.000 She was like, oh, yeah.

01:03:23.000 They don't like that stuff.

01:03:24.000 I was like, damn.

01:03:25.000 You can't move.

01:03:27.000 No, never came back.

01:03:29.000 The sound is like they hear everything like 10 times louder than you do.

01:03:35.000 Look at their ears.

01:03:36.000 Their ears rotate and turn and do this.

01:03:38.000 Those are antenna listening for predators.

01:03:41.000 No.

01:03:41.000 So they hear a ruffling of clothes.

01:03:43.000 They're like, what is that shit?

01:03:45.000 They were like, that's a human.

01:03:46.000 That's like fucking human.

01:03:48.000 And when they're down there, that's the main predator.

01:03:50.000 The main predator is us.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:52.000 No, it was amateur hour at the Apollo, dude.

01:03:55.000 At least Cam got a hook-hoot out of it.

01:03:57.000 I learned a big lesson, of course, too.

01:03:59.000 Bro, they look at you, too.

01:04:00.000 When a whitetail busts you, they look at you like, it's a weird look.

01:04:03.000 No, it's like, it's almost like he, when I say they looked right up at me, Joe, it was like from feed to eye contact with me.

01:04:11.000 I was like, oh, fuck.

01:04:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:14.000 I felt like a deer in headlights.

01:04:15.000 I was like, oh, shit, he caught me.

01:04:16.000 Well, people put felt on the wrist just so that when the arrow slides, it's not making any sound.

01:04:23.000 God.

01:04:24.000 You got to be real slow in how you draw back.

01:04:27.000 But it's something else.

01:04:27.000 It's like rifle hunting, which I can't rifle hunt, but we have a bunch of stands on my property.

01:04:31.000 And I'll go sit in them just to watch a deer with my little boy.

01:04:34.000 And, you know, that thing will be two football fields away from where the deer are.

01:04:39.000 You'll be sitting up there with the heater on, listening to a podcast, smoking a joint, watching a deer like if I had a gun, I'd kill it.

01:04:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:46.000 Right, right.

01:04:47.000 So I showed up first day with Cam and I got my little weed pin in my pocket.

01:04:50.000 And as soon as we sat down and I seen a buck from here to a little bit past Jamie from me, I was like, oh, yeah, we can't smoke it here.

01:04:57.000 Is it a little bit different?

01:04:58.000 I was like, this is real, dude.

01:05:00.000 It's a totally different thing.

01:05:01.000 It's a different fear, too.

01:05:02.000 Like, you get excited when you see one out of a blind from 100 yards, 200 yards, you know, 50 yards, 70 yards.

01:05:08.000 But when you see one 20 yards, 30 yards away from you, and you're sitting there with just a stick with a piece of metal on it, kind of.

01:05:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:05:18.000 And a string, ultimately, you got a glorified what came right after the slingshot.

01:05:22.000 Right.

01:05:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:23.000 And you're like, this is me and this animal right now.

01:05:26.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 It is the fucking craziest feeling I've ever felt in my life.

01:05:31.000 Dude, I wrestled at SummerSlam.

01:05:32.000 It felt like that.

01:05:33.000 It felt like when Logan Paul was going to jump through the table.

01:05:36.000 It was that feeling the whole time.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:05:39.000 That's a big fucking thing.

01:05:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:05:40.000 Look, that was me really shaking, dude.

01:05:42.000 That's a big buck, too.

01:05:43.000 Oh, dude.

01:05:44.000 We had so much.

01:05:46.000 I'm having a time of life down there.

01:05:47.000 I'm a tiny little hole here.

01:05:48.000 You see what I'm going through here?

01:05:50.000 Look at him.

01:05:51.000 You have a light on your pins?

01:05:53.000 Do you have a sight light?

01:05:54.000 No, sir.

01:05:55.000 Okay.

01:05:56.000 Are you using a spot hog?

01:05:59.000 What kind of stuff?

01:06:00.000 I think so.

01:06:01.000 Cam set it up for me.

01:06:01.000 A beautiful bird.

01:06:02.000 Cam.

01:06:04.000 Is Wayne his name at the Bo Rack?

01:06:04.000 Is it Wayne?

01:06:06.000 Wayne, I love you, Wayne.

01:06:07.000 Shout out to Wayne.

01:06:08.000 Yeah, you got a Spot Hog. 0.93

01:06:09.000 Oh, by the way, that's a booner.

01:06:11.000 Your Bow Shot just dropped me off kickstand for it, though.

01:06:15.000 What do y'all call it?

01:06:15.000 Oh, beautiful Archer Country.

01:06:16.000 Yep, yep, yep.

01:06:17.000 Thank you for that, by the way.

01:06:18.000 Oh, please.

01:06:19.000 Because in the stand, I'm having to hold it on my lap.

01:06:22.000 So Brigham hit them for me and was like, yo, while we're doing Rogan, can you just drop off a kickstand for Jelly?

01:06:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:26.000 Yeah, I dropped one of those.

01:06:28.000 Hoyt has it set up so that they're retractable too, the way it's set up.

01:06:32.000 It's perfect.

01:06:33.000 You just set it down.

01:06:34.000 It's perfect.

01:06:35.000 I bought 200 arrows and I put them 100 on my back porch in a bucket.

01:06:40.000 And I have like 30 targets in my backyard now.

01:06:43.000 And I sit 100 of them on my farm's back porch with like 30 targets.

01:06:47.000 And now I literally wake up, let my dog out, and just let 100 rip first thing in the morning.

01:06:50.000 Just rapp a whole hundred.

01:06:51.000 It takes me like 45 minutes.

01:06:53.000 Good exercise.

01:06:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:54.000 And I only have to pull them once.

01:06:55.000 It's also the concentration clears your mind because it's so hard to do to hit a target, especially at a distance.

01:07:04.000 Your whole thing is just everything's got to be like coordinated in sync and on that release and that arrow flies and goes right into there.

01:07:14.000 Oh, I love it.

01:07:16.000 I'm talking about concentration.

01:07:17.000 It's one of the only things I've ever done that when I'm standing there, even over a target, especially over a deer, but even over a target, and I pull that bow back, just like you said about the mountains.

01:07:28.000 Like, nothing in the world matters right now.

01:07:31.000 The world goes away.

01:07:32.000 I don't hear it.

01:07:33.000 I don't even hear my inner monologue.

01:07:34.000 Yeah.

01:07:35.000 All I see is that little green pin on that target.

01:07:40.000 Fred Baer had a great quote about a troubled mind.

01:07:42.000 Like, nothing clears a troubled mind, like shooting a bow.

01:07:46.000 It's so true. 0.84

01:07:48.000 It's like there's something about how difficult it is that it really requires everything of you.

01:07:54.000 It requires all of your concentration.

01:07:56.000 You can't have like distracting thoughts like, oh, I forgot to pay that bill.

01:08:00.000 Oh, I got to call that guy back.

01:08:01.000 Oh, I got to do this.

01:08:02.000 Oh, I got to do that.

01:08:03.000 You can't have anything in there.

01:08:05.000 And because of that, it's like a moving meditation.

01:08:08.000 It forces you to be completely present in the moment.

01:08:12.000 And that cleans the mind out.

01:08:14.000 You're talking about moving meditation.

01:08:15.000 I was thinking about when you were saying that, even down to the breathing.

01:08:18.000 Like the importance of the.

01:08:24.000 It's also, you're going to learn how to manage your nerves, right?

01:08:27.000 So there's going to, this is a process and it's a journey.

01:08:30.000 And so along the way, you're going to have some moments where a deer comes in or an elk comes in where you're, you see your body shaking, freaking out.

01:08:39.000 But then in the future, you're going to know, okay, I know when this is coming.

01:08:44.000 Now I know how to stay calm.

01:08:46.000 And now I see this coming like, nah, bitch, we ain't getting there. 1.00

01:08:49.000 We're not going there.

01:08:50.000 We're staying right here.

01:08:52.000 I call it going dead.

01:08:54.000 Like you go dead.

01:08:55.000 Like all this anticipation and what if I miss and what if I do this and what if he runs and what if he turns?

01:09:02.000 Nothing.

01:09:03.000 I don't let nothing in.

01:09:04.000 You don't let nothing in and you just like exist like a cat.

01:09:08.000 Like you're like a cat like staring at the thing you're about to kill.

01:09:12.000 Just locked in.

01:09:13.000 There's no negative at all.

01:09:15.000 Do you ever let those emotions creep in?

01:09:18.000 You know, I asked Cam, I'm like, do you ever check your heart rate when you shoot?

01:09:22.000 And he's like, yeah, it doesn't even move.

01:09:24.000 Like, yeah, because he knows how to stay in that moment.

01:09:27.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 He knows how to stay calm.

01:09:29.000 Afterwards, it's like, yay, everybody's great and everybody's happy.

01:09:32.000 And oh my God, look at this.

01:09:33.000 It's incredible.

01:09:34.000 It worked out.

01:09:35.000 What a perfect shot.

01:09:35.000 I can't wait to find hugs.

01:09:37.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 Can't think about that, though.

01:09:39.000 Can't think about the result.

01:09:40.000 Never think about the result.

01:09:42.000 Always think about the process.

01:09:43.000 I always think about the process.

01:09:44.000 I'm having fun with the process here.

01:09:46.000 The process is amazing.

01:09:47.000 Cam was saying that.

01:09:48.000 I looked at Camden.

01:09:48.000 I felt so bad.

01:09:49.000 I said, Camera, you're not mad that we sat four times and I haven't got one yet, especially since I fucked it up once and twice had a pee today.

01:09:55.000 But we'd been in there four hours.

01:09:57.000 I mean, I was like, Cam, that busts out.

01:09:59.000 Especially if you're staying hydrated.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, I'm saying hydrated.

01:10:01.000 I'm like, Cam, I got it.

01:10:03.000 That guy has amazing patience.

01:10:05.000 No, he said he smiled.

01:10:06.000 He was like, this is what I'm here for, bud.

01:10:08.000 He said, I'm glad you're getting a journey.

01:10:10.000 And I was like, I think if I'd have came here and just shot one, it wouldn't have been.

01:10:13.000 I've sat four times.

01:10:13.000 I've really, I'm working for this deer.

01:10:15.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:10:16.000 I pulled on him three times this morning, Joe, and just could not.

01:10:19.000 Cam was proud of me, though, because I was like, I just don't have the shot, Cam.

01:10:22.000 Because he whispers in my ear, he goes, You got a shot?

01:10:25.000 And I've been, I forgot who wrote it, but it's a little book called Lying.

01:10:28.000 Have you ever seen this book?

01:10:29.000 No.

01:10:30.000 It's like a, Jamie, it's like a little bitty book.

01:10:32.000 It's just called Lying.

01:10:33.000 But it's like some off, you got to check it.

01:10:34.000 It's a really cool book, and it just talks about us lying.

01:10:36.000 And it was the book that talked about me lying to myself.

01:10:40.000 And right then, I had to fight that urge to lie because it wouldn't have been a lie if I'd have said, yes, I got a shot.

01:10:44.000 But I didn't have a good shot.

01:10:46.000 So instead, I go, I don't got one I like, Cam.

01:10:49.000 Cam goes.

01:10:51.000 And he just put his hand on my store.

01:10:52.000 He said, I'm proud of you for that.

01:10:53.000 And I just laid it down.

01:10:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:55.000 Like, I was at least, even in the moment of like, I want to kill this deer shot would be so cool.

01:10:59.000 Imagine if I went on Joe Rogan's after killing my first buck this morning.

01:11:02.000 And I was like, but I was like, this ain't the shot.

01:11:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:05.000 Like, I want the first one to be the shot.

01:11:07.000 I want to be proud of it.

01:11:08.000 You know what?

01:11:09.000 I don't want to harm an animal.

01:11:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:10.000 I don't want an animal to suffer.

01:11:11.000 I want to double-lung it.

01:11:12.000 I want to drop it like a movie.

01:11:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:11:15.000 And if I have to sit here eight more times to get that shot, no problem.

01:11:18.000 It'll just make it the same.

01:11:19.000 I'm just getting better, Joe.

01:11:21.000 I'm learning more.

01:11:22.000 I'm learning how to listen for stuff.

01:11:23.000 I'm seeing things.

01:11:24.000 Now I know when they're looking, what the wind means.

01:11:26.000 I learned what barometric pressure is, what it does to them.

01:11:29.000 It's all kind of cool stuff, dude.

01:11:30.000 I'm like a little nerd there.

01:11:31.000 I'm like the little kid walking around asking questions all day.

01:11:33.000 Well, there's a really big learning curve to hunting, particularly bow hunting.

01:11:37.000 And it's really interesting.

01:11:38.000 Like you just keep learning stuff.

01:11:40.000 Like, I've been doing it now for, I guess I've been bow hunting for 12 years or 13 years.

01:11:47.000 I guess 12 years.

01:11:49.000 And I'm still learning.

01:11:50.000 I learn all the time.

01:11:51.000 I mean, I'm, you know, it's one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done, you know, and especially in terms of like getting pretty decent at it, getting proficient at it and having a bunch of success.

01:12:05.000 And success begets more success.

01:12:08.000 I love it.

01:12:09.000 And then when you eat it, it's different than any other meal you'll ever eat.

01:12:14.000 When I pull an elk steak out of my freezer and I thaw it out and then I throw it on the Traeger and I throw some olive oil on it.

01:12:21.000 And I like this Saskatchewan black and Saskatchewan rub that they have. 0.94

01:12:24.000 It's my favorite for elk.

01:12:26.000 And I get that sucker up to 120 degrees and then I bring it inside and I sear it on a cast iron frying pan.

01:12:32.000 Then I eat it.

01:12:33.000 Oh man.

01:12:35.000 It's magical.

01:12:37.000 I remember the whack when that elbow hit him in the lungs.

01:12:42.000 That whack. 0.96

01:12:44.000 That sounds swack.

01:12:45.000 How crazy is it hunting elk?

01:12:47.000 Oh, they fucking scream.

01:12:50.000 Oh, that would scare me.

01:12:51.000 They shit out of me.

01:12:52.000 It's magical.

01:12:54.000 I hunted with Cam this September, and I got this elk that was, he was coming over the mountains with his cows.

01:13:04.000 And we saw him.

01:13:05.000 We were like, whoa, that's a good one.

01:13:07.000 Like, we got to try to get to him.

01:13:08.000 So we had to go over the top of this ridge and go down into this valley and go through the woods.

01:13:12.000 And as we got to where he was, another elk stole his fucking cows.

01:13:18.000 And so by the time we got to the woods, we were trying to like, we were following the screams because he was still screaming.

01:13:23.000 They were screaming and the cows were.

01:13:26.000 So we get through the woods and then we realize, oh, shit, he got his cows stolen.

01:13:32.000 So his cows, we saw the last of his cows run up this hill, run up the side of this mountain, and he was going after them.

01:13:40.000 He was like slowly.

01:13:41.000 And then my guy Colton that I was with, he called.

01:13:45.000 He went, you know, he busted this little elk, the cow elk call.

01:13:50.000 And you see the elk go like this.

01:13:52.000 It's like a record skips.

01:13:54.000 You know, like, and then he turns and he's like slowly starts walking.

01:13:58.000 I was at full draw for like a minute and a half behind this tree, just holding for a minute and a half while this dude was, he was about 25 yards, but he did not like it.

01:14:09.000 He's like, something's going on here.

01:14:12.000 I don't see the cow.

01:14:13.000 What the fuck is happening here?

01:14:15.000 So he went around sideways to try to get our wind.

01:14:19.000 And as soon as he went around sideways, as soon as he got clear, I saw him put that pin on him, saw swack.

01:14:26.000 He hit him.

01:14:26.000 He was dead in 15 seconds.

01:14:28.000 15 seconds.

01:14:31.000 He got hit.

01:14:31.000 He's like, what the fuck?

01:14:34.000 He turned, started going downhill, and then fell and rolled.

01:14:39.000 And it was over like that.

01:14:40.000 And then I think of that moment every time I eat it, every time I'm cutting into that stick, I think of that crazy moment.

01:14:47.000 You know?

01:14:47.000 God, that is a wild moment, dude.

01:14:49.000 And it's also after miles and miles of trekking up these mountains.

01:14:54.000 You're at 7,700 feet above sea level.

01:14:58.000 And you have to hunt on elk.

01:15:00.000 You don't sit for them, right?

01:15:01.000 You got to kind of go out and find them.

01:15:02.000 There's no sitting.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, you go find.

01:15:05.000 You're fucking exhausted every day.

01:15:07.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:15:08.000 That's what I'm training for, Joe Rogan.

01:15:10.000 Oh, 100%.

01:15:10.000 That's when I'm getting in shape.

01:15:12.000 When June starts rolling around, that's when I start really ramping up the cardio.

01:15:17.000 That's when I start ramping up the air dyne bike and ramping up the steps. 0.98

01:15:20.000 When I start doing step-ups on boxes and I start doing like body weights, September.

01:15:26.000 Wow, okay.

01:15:27.000 So right around June is when I really just kick into leg strengthening, leg conditioning, and cardio time.

01:15:34.000 Because you know you're going to have to go.

01:15:36.000 They live in the mountains, man, which is interesting because they didn't used to be like, they were more like living in the plains until people start fucking with them.

01:15:43.000 And then they like realize like the best way to get away from people is to get way up where it's difficult to get to.

01:15:50.000 So if you want to get them, you got to go where it's difficult to get to.

01:15:53.000 So you got to get in shape.

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:56.000 Like, I hope somebody's listening to this right now going, man, I'll never be able to LCOT.

01:15:56.000 And that's the stuff.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, you can.

01:16:01.000 I promise you.

01:16:02.000 And you can do it.

01:16:02.000 Can you walk?

01:16:03.000 You can do it.

01:16:03.000 You can start walking tomorrow, babe, and start going forward.

01:16:06.000 And even then, it's your big goal.

01:16:08.000 Put little goals in between there.

01:16:10.000 That was another big one for me.

01:16:11.000 It was like, I had these big goals, but I didn't get, they were so far I realized I'd lose sight of them sometimes.

01:16:17.000 So you got to set them little, the little baby goals in the middle.

01:16:20.000 Those little like, you know what, I'm going to walk a mile five days this week, no matter what the weather is.

01:16:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:26.000 I'm going to walk a whole mile.

01:16:27.000 You know, I'm going to walk to my mailbox and back, whatever your starting point is.

01:16:31.000 And then I encourage you to start making the decision that's hard because me and Cam talked about this when we ran our 5K.

01:16:38.000 There's a hill.

01:16:39.000 My driveway comes down a driveway, comes down a hill, and you bust it right, Joe.

01:16:44.000 And then you can go left into a neighborhood, the same run I run every day.

01:16:48.000 Or you can go right up a hill.

01:16:50.000 And it is a hill hill, you know?

01:16:54.000 And the first day I came out and I looked up that hill and I looked to the left and I took two steps to the left and I stopped and I told myself, I was like, I'm learning about stories we tell ourselves.

01:17:05.000 The story I've been telling myself my whole life was take the easy way out.

01:17:09.000 My entire life, Joe, I have always looked for the path of the easiest, like A to B straight line.

01:17:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:18.000 And I was like, I break that today.

01:17:22.000 I turn right.

01:17:23.000 Fuck you.

01:17:25.000 You feel it, don't you?

01:17:26.000 It's big.

01:17:27.000 Right then, big.

01:17:28.000 It's a big move.

01:17:28.000 Big moment.

01:17:29.000 When you're like, no, I'm hitting that fucking hill.

01:17:31.000 You know, because I'm big.

01:17:32.000 Fat people hate hills.

01:17:34.000 Stairs, we hate all that shit.

01:17:35.000 So I'm like, I'm like, hit the hill.

01:17:38.000 You know, and I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking and I'm stopping and I'm walking and I stop.

01:17:43.000 When I got to the top of it, there was a telephone pole up there and I went and slapped it.

01:17:43.000 I just kept going.

01:17:48.000 I just slapped the shit out of it.

01:17:50.000 And I was just, I felt so achieved.

01:17:51.000 And I came down the hill and then I took a left and I was going to go straight down to the stop sign and back.

01:17:56.000 But if you take a left, you can go up another hill.

01:17:58.000 So I was in my mind, I was like, I'm going to stop sign.

01:18:00.000 I hit the hill.

01:18:00.000 But as I was walking by that other hill, I was like, this is the new you.

01:18:04.000 You hit the hill, dog.

01:18:06.000 This is the new you.

01:18:07.000 Today is the new you.

01:18:08.000 You hit the hill.

01:18:09.000 Left, hit the fucking hill.

01:18:11.000 Come back down.

01:18:12.000 On my way home that day.

01:18:13.000 Look up, see that hill.

01:18:14.000 It's right by my house.

01:18:14.000 I go, fuck, I'm going to hit it one more time.

01:18:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:17.000 And then it started becoming a thing where it's like, I started adopting that philosophy of life now, Joe.

01:18:21.000 I hit the hill first.

01:18:23.000 Whatever the hardest thing is, whatever scares me the most, whatever I think is going to be the most daunting of the day, it's like, put that motherfucker on the table right now.

01:18:30.000 Let me see that bitch first. 1.00

01:18:32.000 And it makes the rest of your life easier, too.

01:18:34.000 That's what's really important.

01:18:35.000 When you elect to make these decisions, conscious decisions to do a difficult thing voluntarily, you elect to do that.

01:18:43.000 Then the rest of your life becomes way easier because the most difficult thing of your day is always the most difficult thing of your day, whether you decide to do it or whether life throws it at you.

01:18:54.000 And you can decide to give yourself some shit that's way harder than anything life's going to throw at you.

01:18:59.000 And then the rest of life becomes easy.

01:19:01.000 It makes you ready to deal with life.

01:19:02.000 It's also very important for famous people.

01:19:04.000 Yes.

01:19:05.000 It's very important for famous people because for famous, the pressures and the weirdness of fame, most people don't understand the psychological burden that that carries, how that hits you.

01:19:23.000 And it can really fuck with you.

01:19:26.000 And one of the best ways that I've found to keep it from fucking with me is to make the hardest part of my day my choice.

01:19:35.000 I do it.

01:19:37.000 I put myself through.

01:19:38.000 So other stuff that seems difficult for other people that don't work out or don't take on challenging tasks, it's not that difficult for me.

01:19:48.000 It's easy.

01:19:48.000 I'm already torturing myself every fucking day.

01:19:52.000 I feel weirdly more qualified to deal with shit when I do, though.

01:19:55.000 Like when I have a really hard run, I walk into the house that day like, I don't care what comes at me today.

01:20:01.000 I am on fire.

01:20:01.000 Exactly.

01:20:02.000 I'll give you another quick.

01:20:03.000 There's nothing harder than what you're doing.

01:20:05.000 You're barely alive, right?

01:20:07.000 You're breathing so hard.

01:20:10.000 Your heart is pounding.

01:20:11.000 Nothing in life is giving you that.

01:20:13.000 Nothing in life is giving you that kind of burden.

01:20:16.000 So if you can do that to yourself, it'll make the rest of your life way easier.

01:20:21.000 And then, believe it or not, it gets funner.

01:20:23.000 Yes.

01:20:24.000 It goes back to my first year walking was miserable.

01:20:27.000 I won't lie to people that are listening to this.

01:20:28.000 I didn't enjoy one of those walks.

01:20:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:31.000 Not one.

01:20:32.000 I didn't have one time.

01:20:34.000 But when the weight started coming off and I started being able to breathe a little better, like I wasn't just fighting for oxygen every single step.

01:20:42.000 And that moment happens, though, if you're patient.

01:20:44.000 The next thing you know, you're running with your friends and y'all are talking about the football game and you're firing on all cylinders.

01:20:49.000 You said, hey, when you were on that treadmill, you were talking.

01:20:51.000 We were watching the Volkanovsky, excuse me, the Pyotr Janab Dwavish-Willie fight.

01:20:56.000 We were giving commentary.

01:20:58.000 It's like you do it.

01:21:00.000 As you were running, like, oh, I remember when that kick landed.

01:21:02.000 Yeah, I was like, I was loud.

01:21:03.000 I'm telling you, dude.

01:21:04.000 Just running.

01:21:06.000 And it makes me mentally ready now.

01:21:08.000 Because I go out and I know David talked about this a lot, Goggins, but I go out there and beat that bitch every day. 1.00

01:21:13.000 All them negative thoughts, I deal with them on my run and my workout.

01:21:16.000 Every one of those, you can't do it.

01:21:17.000 And you know what else I've learned?

01:21:19.000 If I have a chance to eat bad today, it's going to happen on a day I didn't wake up and run.

01:21:23.000 Right.

01:21:24.000 If I'm going to go off my program, because the days I run, I don't want that shit.

01:21:28.000 I know I earned it.

01:21:30.000 And mentally, it makes me better.

01:21:31.000 I woke up the other day and ran to my farm.

01:21:34.000 And I come back and my son, I'm all excited.

01:21:36.000 We're going to the Titan game and I'm getting to connect with my son.

01:21:38.000 And I go, hop on a four-wheeler, ride up to the top of the hill.

01:21:42.000 I'll run up there and meet you.

01:21:43.000 I'm going to get a little more exercise in.

01:21:45.000 And when I'm running up to the top of the hill, I look up and he's stuck.

01:21:47.000 He stopped somewhere going down another hill that I thought he was going to go down.

01:21:51.000 And right then, I realize it's the hill that he fell and broke his wrist on riding a four-wheeler last year.

01:21:56.000 And he stopped up there because he's scared.

01:21:58.000 And his friend already went down.

01:22:00.000 Joe, I thank God in that moment.

01:22:01.000 I said, Jesus, thank you.

01:22:02.000 I'm ready for this.

01:22:03.000 I've ran.

01:22:05.000 I feel the endorphins.

01:22:06.000 Like I am ready to pair at this moment.

01:22:08.000 Most of the time, you know, as a parent, you walk into these crazy moments and you're like, oh, not fully ready for this moment.

01:22:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:14.000 Like, we blow them and you look back and go, oh, I wasn't ready for that one necessarily.

01:22:18.000 And I walk up to him and I credit this to running.

01:22:21.000 I walk up and I go, what's up, buddy?

01:22:22.000 And he goes, I think this is the hill, Dad.

01:22:25.000 I go, it is, buddy.

01:22:27.000 He goes, I'm scared.

01:22:29.000 And I go, dude, I've been scared for 35 years and I never admitted it.

01:22:32.000 So you're already way better than me.

01:22:34.000 You're already twice the man I am.

01:22:36.000 I said, now what we got to do is know we know what we're feeling.

01:22:40.000 What are we going to do?

01:22:42.000 It's me and you, buddy.

01:22:43.000 What are we going to do?

01:22:43.000 He goes, well, I don't want to drive.

01:22:44.000 And I go, what if I ride with you?

01:22:46.000 He goes, will you sit on the back of this?

01:22:48.000 Now, he's on a 90.

01:22:49.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:22:50.000 You know, for people at home, this is a nine-year-old four-wheeler.

01:22:54.000 And even then, I start just thanking God in my head where I was like, I'm ready for this.

01:22:58.000 For the first time ever, I'm not too fat to get on this thing with him.

01:23:01.000 Probably going to rebel a bit.

01:23:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:23:03.000 I can get on the back of it.

01:23:05.000 And I sit down on the back of it.

01:23:07.000 And he says, Will you grab the steering wheel?

01:23:08.000 I go, no, buddy, but I'll grab your waist. 0.89

01:23:10.000 I said, you don't need me to touch that steering wheel.

01:23:12.000 You just need me with you.

01:23:14.000 Crushes it down the hill.

01:23:15.000 Nice.

01:23:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:17.000 And then you get to have the moment where you get to go, now what did we learn there, buddy?

01:23:20.000 He goes, I learned that I can do it as long as you're with me.

01:23:22.000 I said, no, buddy, you learned that you can do it.

01:23:25.000 You just thought you needed me with you.

01:23:27.000 I said, but here's the good news.

01:23:28.000 Jesus is always with you, Bubba.

01:23:30.000 You got this.

01:23:31.000 Like, just go.

01:23:32.000 Like, don't be afraid of this, man.

01:23:33.000 He drove it back up the hill.

01:23:34.000 So then I said, do me a favor.

01:23:36.000 Just ride up top of that hill and ride back down.

01:23:37.000 I'll be sitting here waiting for you.

01:23:39.000 If you start to go south, I'll run and jump on you.

01:23:41.000 I'll do whatever.

01:23:42.000 I'll save you.

01:23:42.000 I'll go.

01:23:43.000 I'll die for you, boy.

01:23:44.000 Just come down that hill.

01:23:45.000 He drove right up the top of that hill, turned around, came right down to Joe.

01:23:48.000 And it's like, I was ready for it, though.

01:23:50.000 I'd already did the hard stuff that day.

01:23:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:52.000 Having an emotional moment with my son was the easiest part of my day after that.

01:23:55.000 I'd already ran three, four miles.

01:23:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:57.000 I'd already woke up and got myself in a headspace of like, I'm going to pour into my son today.

01:24:02.000 I'm going to take him to get his favorite suite from the Titan game.

01:24:04.000 I'm going to get him a Cam War jersey.

01:24:05.000 I'd already had a thing of ways I was going to connect with him.

01:24:08.000 And then God gave me a whole new opportunity.

01:24:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:11.000 Like, God gave me a real opportunity.

01:24:12.000 I was making ways to connect.

01:24:13.000 Like, oh, we could probably do this and this will be fun.

01:24:15.000 But, like, it just naturally came.

01:24:18.000 I wasn't ready for that at 500 pounds.

01:24:19.000 One, I would have never been like, go up there hill.

01:24:21.000 You know, 500 pounds.

01:24:22.000 I'm like, you want to sit here and watch a movie?

01:24:24.000 No kid wants to sit and watch a movie at nine years old for all parents out there that are 500 pounds.

01:24:28.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:29.000 I'll answer for them.

01:24:30.000 But to be in that kind of place with them is like the joy of life.

01:24:34.000 Like, I want somebody to hear this podcast.

01:24:36.000 That's why I keep saying it this way and understand that you're not living the life you can.

01:24:41.000 And it's so, so possible.

01:24:44.000 It's not easy, but it's possible and it's worth it.

01:24:47.000 It's so worth it, Joe.

01:24:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:50.000 The things that are not easier are worth it.

01:24:52.000 It's important to do things that are not easy.

01:24:55.000 It's really important.

01:24:57.000 It's like if you want real peace, peace doesn't come from rest.

01:25:01.000 Peace comes from struggle.

01:25:03.000 Peace comes from struggle.

01:25:04.000 It really does.

01:25:05.000 You have to.

01:25:06.000 Peace comes from challenge.

01:25:08.000 It comes from being excited about something, doing something difficult, figuring out you could do it, building resilience.

01:25:14.000 You know, building resilience is so important.

01:25:16.000 It's so important because there's just too many people that are afraid of resilience.

01:25:20.000 They're afraid of confrontation.

01:25:22.000 They're afraid of anything that's difficult, anything that's struggle, anything that's going to test them.

01:25:27.000 They're scared of it.

01:25:28.000 They don't want that discomfort.

01:25:30.000 But that discomfort is when you find true peace.

01:25:33.000 There was a guy that there's a famous old tale that reminded me of that.

01:25:36.000 But the guy goes, a young man looks at a rich man one day, a rich, health, happy man.

01:25:41.000 He goes, how did you get where you are?

01:25:43.000 And the rich, happy man looks at him and goes, good decisions.

01:25:46.000 Two words, good decisions.

01:25:47.000 You ever heard this story?

01:25:48.000 No.

01:25:48.000 He goes, good decisions.

01:25:49.000 And the kid goes, well, how did you make good decisions?

01:25:52.000 He goes, one word, experience.

01:25:55.000 And the kid goes, well, how did you get experience?

01:25:58.000 And the guy goes, two words, bad decisions.

01:26:05.000 Yeah, you just got to go do it, dude.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, failure.

01:26:08.000 Failure is critical.

01:26:10.000 Failure is the pain of failure is also very important.

01:26:14.000 It sucks.

01:26:15.000 And it's hard.

01:26:15.000 In the moment, you don't think you're ever going to live past this.

01:26:18.000 You're going to live in this moment forever.

01:26:19.000 And I can't do this.

01:26:21.000 I can't live like this.

01:26:22.000 I can't do this.

01:26:23.000 But get through it.

01:26:25.000 Get through it.

01:26:26.000 And now you have resilience.

01:26:28.000 And you'll become a whole, you'll become a better person because of it.

01:26:31.000 Like, just taking and I used to be that way, and I'd get in shame about stuff.

01:26:37.000 Like, shame was a big thing for me.

01:26:39.000 I'd be embarrassed, and I'd get into a spiral where I just wouldn't deal with things.

01:26:42.000 I'd be like, oh, I'm just ashamed of that.

01:26:44.000 I didn't do it right.

01:26:44.000 Or I'm going to fuck up or I'll never do it right.

01:26:47.000 Or I'll never be able to do that.

01:26:48.000 I use this kind of language.

01:26:50.000 It goes back to how we talk to ourselves.

01:26:52.000 You know, it's like this is, and your body believes it.

01:26:53.000 You tell your body enough, you're never going to do nothing.

01:26:55.000 Your body will start to be like, all right, we're never going to do that.

01:26:57.000 You know, but it's like I realized that it was more about actually just starting to go, no, man, I can do that.

01:27:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:05.000 Like, I can figure that out.

01:27:06.000 And now I get motivated.

01:27:08.000 Every time I've left that deer blind without one of them bucks, every time we get in the truck, I'm all smiles.

01:27:14.000 Cam goes, how you feeling?

01:27:16.000 I was like, dog, I am going to get good at this.

01:27:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:19.000 Like, I look at it different.

01:27:20.000 I don't look at it like, oh, I suck.

01:27:22.000 I look at it like dog.

01:27:23.000 I am eight hours into 10,000 of these hours.

01:27:23.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:28.000 Like, y'all be patient with me.

01:27:29.000 I'm only on hour eight.

01:27:30.000 Like, but I promise y'all, I'll be a whole different day.

01:27:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:33.000 But, God, eight hours into something like that is so nice because you know you have so much to learn.

01:27:39.000 And if you just look at it that way, like what a beautiful blessing it is to have so many opportunities to do things, so many times that you're going to be able to learn.

01:27:49.000 So much time to grow, so much time to get better.

01:27:52.000 You have so much room.

01:27:53.000 I mean, if you're already Cam Haynes, boy, it's so difficult to get better from you're the best.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:58.000 So hard.

01:27:59.000 100%.

01:28:00.000 All you can do is help me.

01:28:01.000 And, you know, he's just challenged by moments.

01:28:04.000 So he just experiences a lot of challenging moments.

01:28:07.000 And he rises to the occasion because he knows because he's got 30 plus years of experience doing it and he knows how to do it.

01:28:14.000 But for you, it's like you're in this beautiful place where it's all learning.

01:28:18.000 Every day is a new lesson.

01:28:20.000 Even mistakes, like putting your hoodie on.

01:28:23.000 Okay.

01:28:23.000 Now we know.

01:28:24.000 No, I know.

01:28:24.000 I'm going to wear the hoodie.

01:28:25.000 I'll tell you what, tomorrow night I'm going to wear the hoodie if it's 80 because I don't care.

01:28:28.000 I'm trying to sweat in it.

01:28:29.000 And then when it gets cold, I'm ready than be not ready.

01:28:32.000 And you're going to have a bunch of those.

01:28:34.000 I had one elk hunting this September.

01:28:37.000 We were going after these elk that were in this thickly wooded section.

01:28:42.000 And we were in this open area.

01:28:44.000 And we were trying to figure out where this bull is because he was running cows through there and you would catch glimpses of them.

01:28:53.000 And so we decided to move around to this new spot.

01:28:57.000 And as we decided to move around to this new spot, we were like, you know what?

01:29:01.000 We're going to have to go up this ridge and go around this way and come at him from another direction.

01:29:07.000 So as we started to do that, he changed and he ran out through the woods into the clearing.

01:29:14.000 And I was stuck out in the open, just standing there, like staring.

01:29:18.000 I'm like, fuck, if I just stayed in cover, I would have got this motherfucker.

01:29:22.000 But I got impatient and I tried to like run out and meet.

01:29:26.000 And, you know, it's one of those lessons.

01:29:28.000 Like, okay, now I'm going to be next time.

01:29:30.000 12 years in, that makes me feel good.

01:29:32.000 Oh, God, I'm not even close to knowing what the fuck I'm doing.

01:29:35.000 You know, I need a lot of lessons.

01:29:37.000 I'm great as a pool table twice as square.

01:29:39.000 It's bad.

01:29:40.000 I'm out there so lost, Joe.

01:29:42.000 It's got to be at least entertaining for everybody to see it.

01:29:45.000 It's so exciting, though.

01:29:46.000 And you'll get that success.

01:29:48.000 It'll come.

01:29:49.000 I'm having so much fun.

01:29:50.000 You know, I was like, I think I'm going to get a buck this week.

01:29:53.000 I believe it.

01:29:54.000 But if I don't, I got so many lessons and I'll be back the next week.

01:29:56.000 They'll let me back to try.

01:29:57.000 Yeah, you'll find the moment.

01:29:59.000 You'll find the moment.

01:30:00.000 It's going to come.

01:30:01.000 It's going to come with persistence and just putting in the time.

01:30:04.000 And I feel like the universe just gives you these opportunities.

01:30:08.000 And when it's there, you'll have this big burst, like this breakthrough moment.

01:30:14.000 Like, okay, I did it.

01:30:16.000 I did it.

01:30:16.000 I fucking did it.

01:30:17.000 Okay.

01:30:18.000 I'm going to cook this year.

01:30:19.000 This deer is going to, you'll be salting that thing and slapping it on the grill and watching it sizzle.

01:30:26.000 Bop it, baby. 0.85

01:30:27.000 Smelling it.

01:30:28.000 Oh, the smell.

01:30:30.000 And then when you go to cook it, you're like, oh, my God, this is the best food I've ever eaten in my life.

01:30:34.000 This is the best bite of food because it's a bite of food with an experience attached to it.

01:30:39.000 It's not just a bite of food.

01:30:40.000 And it's the best meat on planet Earth, the healthiest food you can get.

01:30:44.000 You want to talk about like density?

01:30:45.000 You were talking about like density of nutrition.

01:30:47.000 There's nothing more dense than wild game.

01:30:50.000 It's like twice as much protein as a piece of beef.

01:30:53.000 Twice as much for the same amount of ounces.

01:30:55.000 Wow.

01:30:56.000 It's so good for you.

01:30:57.000 Same calories?

01:30:58.000 No, probably less.

01:31:00.000 Wow.

01:31:00.000 You're eating an athlete.

01:31:02.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:31:03.000 You're eating like an athlete, you know?

01:31:04.000 That's crazy.

01:31:05.000 I never thought of it that way.

01:31:06.000 Yeah, man.

01:31:06.000 I've never ate a bunch of game, though, obviously.

01:31:08.000 This is also new.

01:31:09.000 Game is the best thing for you by far.

01:31:11.000 There's no better food than wild game.

01:31:13.000 I've never had an elk steak.

01:31:14.000 I want one.

01:31:14.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:31:15.000 You got to try one with me.

01:31:15.000 Oh, I wish I had one right here to cook for you.

01:31:18.000 I wish I had a grill.

01:31:19.000 The good news is we'll do it the right way.

01:31:19.000 We'll do one.

01:31:21.000 We'll cook one I kill. 0.55

01:31:22.000 That'll be the big moment.

01:31:22.000 Yes.

01:31:23.000 Yes.

01:31:24.000 If I waited this long, I might as well go smack it.

01:31:26.000 It'll be so exciting.

01:31:27.000 And then you're going to be fully, fully, fully, fully hooked.

01:31:31.000 Yeah.

01:31:32.000 Yeah.

01:31:32.000 Once you actually do it, when I shot that mule deer that's on that table, and you know, Renella did the same thing that Cam did for you.

01:31:41.000 You know, he took me, he showed me what to do.

01:31:44.000 He took me out there and completely green.

01:31:46.000 I never even shot a rifle before.

01:31:48.000 I only shot a rifle like three.

01:31:50.000 Luckily, and I'm not saying rifle hunting is easy for people that rifle hunt and think it's really very difficult.

01:31:55.000 It's very difficult, but it's not as difficult as bow hunting, which is why I was able to be successful on my first ever rifle hunt.

01:32:01.000 You know, being successful on a bow hunt for mule deer, good fucking luck.

01:32:06.000 Bow hunting for mule deer has a very low success rate, like even with elite hunters.

01:32:12.000 It's a very, because it's a very cagey animal.

01:32:14.000 They're very intelligent.

01:32:16.000 Super fast, too, right?

01:32:17.000 We were eating this animal.

01:32:20.000 We shot it.

01:32:21.000 We packed it out.

01:32:23.000 We started a campfire.

01:32:24.000 We were cooking it.

01:32:25.000 And I remember Steve said to me, What do you think?

01:32:27.000 I said, I'm doing this forever.

01:32:30.000 Forever.

01:32:31.000 I knew at that moment.

01:32:32.000 I was like, well, I'm going to be a hunter now.

01:32:35.000 Like, that's what I'm doing forever.

01:32:36.000 Because I was on my way to being a vegetarian.

01:32:39.000 I was like, I don't, I watched too many PETA videos, and I'm like, oh my God, factory farming is so awful.

01:32:44.000 It's so terrible.

01:32:45.000 You know, I didn't understand like regenerative farming and ranching.

01:32:49.000 And I eat beef now.

01:32:51.000 I mean, I never stopped eating beef, but eating wild game is a different thing.

01:32:57.000 It's a different, like I said, it's food with experience attached to it.

01:33:01.000 There's something very spiritual about it.

01:33:04.000 And it's also, it connects you to a part of mankind's history that is intertwined in your DNA.

01:33:14.000 Like, there's something about it.

01:33:16.000 You know, like for people that have never experienced before, you know, the feeling that you get when you catch a fish.

01:33:21.000 Even little kids, man.

01:33:22.000 I remember my daughter caught her first fish when she was like six.

01:33:25.000 She caught a bass and she was so excited.

01:33:28.000 You get it?

01:33:29.000 That is in our DNA because that means that you're going to live.

01:33:35.000 You're going to eat.

01:33:35.000 You're going to feed your family.

01:33:37.000 That's why that is so exciting to catch a fish.

01:33:41.000 Shooting an animal and killing it and eating it and knowing that you can eat it for months is that times like a hundred.

01:33:47.000 Shooting an animal with a bow is that times a thousand.

01:33:50.000 Oh, it made me think about it when I was thinking about animal killing and bows, especially now because I'm thinking about this a lot, obviously.

01:33:56.000 I'm in the middle of it.

01:33:57.000 But there's this thing that's happening there where it's like the concept that back in the day a man left with this stick and piece of metal or just a stick back then, a shaved stick and a string.

01:34:09.000 It was like, if this goes good, I will come back with enough to feed our tribe.

01:34:14.000 This entire village of people.

01:34:15.000 I will bring a deer and we will all eat together.

01:34:18.000 That's crazy.

01:34:19.000 It is crazy.

01:34:20.000 That was once the way it actually went.

01:34:23.000 And it was the only way.

01:34:24.000 This is from here.

01:34:27.000 This, who knows how old that is.

01:34:30.000 Wow.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, a friend of mine got that on his ranch and gave it to me.

01:34:35.000 Oh, yeah, this is crazy.

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 So some Native American, probably a Comanche, because it's here in Austin. 1.00

01:34:44.000 And that guy who made that made it himself, attached it with sinew and Twine and put it on a stick that he had shaved down and put feathers on it that he had got from a bird and you know, glue that they had made from they made glue from all kinds of different things.

01:35:05.000 And he shot that probably into an animal and it fed his family.

01:35:12.000 And then that was lost in the dirt.

01:35:14.000 And then a thousand years later, somebody found it.

01:35:17.000 It still stands.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:19.000 It's crazy.

01:35:19.000 And it's here.

01:35:20.000 It's crazy.

01:35:20.000 Yeah.

01:35:21.000 And that he came home like a hero.

01:35:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:35:23.000 Yeah.

01:35:24.000 Like, man, you're right.

01:35:25.000 That feeling of catching that fish.

01:35:26.000 My daughter felt it too when she was six.

01:35:28.000 I took her bluegill fishing.

01:35:29.000 Yeah.

01:35:30.000 I had a little spot in the lake where you could just drive and catch a bluegill almost every time.

01:35:33.000 You know, they're pretty little fishes. 0.89

01:35:34.000 He's so exciting for them.

01:35:37.000 Yeah, it's so exciting.

01:35:38.000 I took my wife to fish for the first time when she moved down from Vegas.

01:35:42.000 And I thought, I wasn't thinking, Joe, this was a user error.

01:35:46.000 But I was like, oh, my friend's got a stock catfish pond.

01:35:49.000 I was like, this is great.

01:35:49.000 Dude, you just throw it out there.

01:35:50.000 She'll get her a big old hog of a catfish. 1.00

01:35:53.000 I wasn't thinking about how brutally hard it is to unhook catfish compared to a bass or a bluegill.

01:35:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:00.000 And of course, I get a bass that swallows the fucking food.

01:36:04.000 So here we fight this bass.

01:36:06.000 I mean, there's a catfish in, and she's all excited till it gets there. 0.75

01:36:09.000 And it to this day was the most brutal ripping out of Joe.

01:36:16.000 She never went back.

01:36:17.000 She was disgusted.

01:36:19.000 She was all in until after, like, once we caught, I should have just clipped it, threw it back in, but I was just determined to get, you know, how you are when you're stuck.

01:36:25.000 Like, oh, it's fucking coming out.

01:36:27.000 And it was just horrible.

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 I looked like, oh, yeah.

01:36:32.000 But the good news is, I think I've got her talking to one to deer hunt after I do because Rihanna goes, Cam's assistant.

01:36:39.000 She loves Bunny, and I think that'd be digestible for Bunny.

01:36:43.000 Like if she went with another chick that was cool, you know what I mean?

01:36:45.000 Rihanna's a big time bow hunter.

01:36:47.000 Big bow hunter.

01:36:48.000 She'll show her how to do it.

01:36:49.000 Maybe she'll get hooked too.

01:36:50.000 I know she was good because she was talking about hitting one yesterday.

01:36:52.000 She was like, I had a shot on one at like 40, almost, I had one at 40 yards out, but I didn't have a shot.

01:36:56.000 Right then, I was like, you were going to take a shot at 40 yards if you had one?

01:37:00.000 That's crazy bow hunting skill.

01:37:02.000 I was like, yeah.

01:37:06.000 The ability to shoot at distance is really tricky because you got to take into account wind.

01:37:12.000 You got to take into account the movement of the animal.

01:37:15.000 You got to be assured that that, because like, there's a, do you see that elk that's on the wall out front with a photo of Cam and I?

01:37:23.000 That was 67 yards.

01:37:25.000 Whoa.

01:37:25.000 Yeah, we got a video of that.

01:37:27.000 So this elk was standing at 67 yards and he just stopped.

01:37:31.000 He had fought off these other elk and he was tired and he just stopped.

01:37:35.000 And that arrow, I'll never forget that arrow.

01:37:37.000 That arrow's like, right in the 10 ring.

01:37:43.000 It was a perfect shot.

01:37:45.000 For almost 70 hours.

01:37:47.000 Yeah, and he ran and he just piled up.

01:37:50.000 He just ran right over the top of this hill and boom.

01:37:53.000 And he was done.

01:37:54.000 But it was, that was years and years and years of every day in the backyard all day long.

01:38:03.000 I mean, I shot so many arrows, I fucked my shoulder up, I fucked my lower back.

01:38:08.000 Because I'm obsessive.

01:38:10.000 I will shoot for four or five hours a day, and I'm pulling an 85-pound bow like 150 times a day.

01:38:17.000 It's ridiculous.

01:38:18.000 It's like on your body.

01:38:18.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:38:20.000 Your body's like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:38:22.000 For sure.

01:38:23.000 I'm only pulling 45 pounds.

01:38:25.000 But when you do that over and it becomes a part of your central nervous system.

01:38:33.000 It's like your brain just gets locked in.

01:38:36.000 Your eye immediately goes to that peep site.

01:38:39.000 It lines it up immediately with a sight housing.

01:38:42.000 You balance it all out.

01:38:43.000 You put it in the same place every time, too.

01:38:45.000 Always, yeah, you have to.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, you have to have anchor points.

01:38:48.000 I've got a little Beaumar nose button that touches my nose.

01:38:53.000 I feel that on my nose every time where the string touches my nose, this little thing just kind of pinches at your nose, let you know you're in the right spot.

01:39:01.000 I'm going to go get Wayne to redo mine.

01:39:02.000 He did it, but we had it where it just sat on my nose perfect, and then I lost that weight.

01:39:06.000 So, I mean, more weight.

01:39:08.000 I lost like 80 pounds as I got set for the bow.

01:39:10.000 Oh, wow.

01:39:11.000 Yeah, this is like the never-ending problem in my life right now.

01:39:13.000 Clothes are either super baggy or I got one size too early, so it's tight, you know, because I'm just having to constantly chase right at his neck.

01:39:19.000 Right.

01:39:20.000 I can't wait until I'm just a normal person.

01:39:21.000 I get down to a normal weight and you know, put on a holiday weight like everybody else, and that's the fluctuation.

01:39:27.000 I'm close, though.

01:39:27.000 That's wild.

01:39:28.000 I'm close.

01:39:29.000 So close.

01:39:29.000 I got down.

01:39:30.000 I'm in like the 260s right now, 30-something pounds of skin on me.

01:39:34.000 I'd like to lose another probably 40 is probably my goal.

01:39:36.000 You're going to be under 200 pounds.

01:39:38.000 That is wild.

01:39:40.000 I just want to see it once on a scale, just like as an adult male.

01:39:40.000 That's the goal.

01:39:43.000 See 190.

01:39:44.000 Just see like 199.

01:39:46.000 Just be like, wow, bad.

01:39:47.000 That's crazy.

01:39:48.000 It still feels weird telling people I weigh something that starts with 200.

01:39:51.000 I haven't weighed in the 200 since I was like 12.

01:39:54.000 As you put on muscle, you might stay in the 200s, but it'll be a different 200.

01:39:54.000 Well, you know what?

01:39:59.000 Dude, I'm packing, man.

01:40:01.000 My shoulders are like, I'm proud of them.

01:40:04.000 Yeah, you look different, man.

01:40:06.000 Like in every way.

01:40:07.000 In every way.

01:40:08.000 No, it's like my posture is better.

01:40:10.000 Like I sit better.

01:40:12.000 You're burdened by a you're you're rucksacking 300 pounds everywhere you went.

01:40:17.000 All the time.

01:40:17.000 That's crazy.

01:40:19.000 Your legs must be so powerful.

01:40:21.000 I used to say that to Ralphie Mae.

01:40:22.000 Ralphie Mae unfortunately never lost the weight and did wind up dying young.

01:40:27.000 But I used to say to Ralphie, I'm like, Ralphie, if you ever lost weight, you could kick through a fucking building with those legs.

01:40:33.000 Like his legs were carrying around 500 pounds everywhere he went.

01:40:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:37.000 And everywhere.

01:40:38.000 He'd stand straight up and do a whole hour.

01:40:40.000 Pacing the stage and killing it.

01:40:40.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 Yeah.

01:40:42.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:40:43.000 It's crazy.

01:40:44.000 Yeah.

01:40:44.000 He was one of the best, dude.

01:40:46.000 He was a fun dude, too.

01:40:47.000 Was he fun outside the stage, too?

01:40:49.000 He was a sweetheart of a guy.

01:40:50.000 He was a great cook, too.

01:40:52.000 And unfortunately, after a while, he had done it with surgery and it didn't work.

01:40:58.000 He, you know, like a lot of people that have that addiction, he couldn't stop.

01:41:03.000 And he thought surgery was the answer.

01:41:05.000 So he got his stomach done and then he ate through it and then he had to get it redone.

01:41:10.000 Like he blew it out.

01:41:12.000 And so it got to a point where, you know, when they cut your stomach down, they shrink your stomach, the gastrointestinal bypass.

01:41:20.000 He got to a point where he couldn't digest meat.

01:41:23.000 So he would barbecue for us.

01:41:25.000 Ralphie was a really good cook.

01:41:27.000 So he'd make ribs.

01:41:28.000 They were sensational, but he couldn't eat them.

01:41:30.000 He ought to be eating vegetables.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, because his body wouldn't process the meat right.

01:41:32.000 Wow.

01:41:36.000 Man, that's great.

01:41:37.000 And that was after the bypass.

01:41:39.000 I think after the second bypass.

01:41:41.000 See, that's.

01:41:43.000 And once again, it's like my heart hurts.

01:41:45.000 You know, not that anybody could have made a difference, maybe, but man, I just wish.

01:41:49.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 I mean, maybe.

01:41:51.000 Maybe if he knew you and you guys did it together.

01:41:53.000 I could have just sat down and been like, bro, I know.

01:41:55.000 Like, I think that's why me and you doing this pod is so important to him.

01:41:58.000 It was like, I know there's going to be people that are going to see clips of this that are 300, 400, 500 pounds.

01:42:04.000 And I want them to like, you can do it.

01:42:07.000 Like, you really can.

01:42:07.000 Without a doubt.

01:42:09.000 It's actually worth it.

01:42:11.000 It's small steps.

01:42:12.000 It's telling yourself the truth, doing what you say you're going to do, meaning it, keeping your word, but most importantly, food, dude.

01:42:20.000 Like, I just now started showing the runs and stuff.

01:42:22.000 Like, because I think people appreciate seeing the work, but it's like, what was important, really, the weight's not lost in that running.

01:42:29.000 The running is what makes me feel good.

01:42:30.000 It's fighting the demon.

01:42:31.000 The weight's lost whenever I sit down at the dinner table and I eat like a normal human.

01:42:31.000 Right.

01:42:36.000 I don't eat seven plates and six desserts.

01:42:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:39.000 Like that's where it's at.

01:42:41.000 And that's that it's anytime I used to see guys like Ralphie, and I would think at watching.

01:42:45.000 I'd be like, man, when you get to that size, there's a mental component.

01:42:50.000 There's something happening there.

01:42:52.000 There's some trauma attached to it, or there's a story that you're living in in your mind.

01:42:55.000 It's just, you know, your body's just reacting to a pattern it's always had that you haven't been able to get it out.

01:43:00.000 There's something you've got to really go in and roll the sleeves up and find of kind of find it.

01:43:06.000 Like I did every kind of thinking back to, this therapist did the coolest thing, Joe.

01:43:10.000 She looked at me and said, when do you first remember being big?

01:43:14.000 I talked to my sister, Shelby, about this the other day.

01:43:17.000 And I said, and she said what I said, which made me cry because I never talked to nobody in my family about this.

01:43:22.000 And I go, I think the first time I realized I was big was I was going to get school clothes for elementary school.

01:43:29.000 And back then they had a section in the Dillard's called Husky.

01:43:32.000 You remember this?

01:43:33.000 You're old enough to remember they had a Husky section.

01:43:35.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:43:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:43:37.000 Which is awesome, I guess.

01:43:39.000 But, you know, and I just remember like not knowing what it meant, but just knowing it was different and knowing that like I felt different.

01:43:46.000 Like I felt like I felt ashamed even at that age a little bit being in this section.

01:43:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:52.000 Like, and I didn't understand why.

01:43:54.000 Well, kids are so brutal, too.

01:43:55.000 They're so brutal.

01:43:56.000 And then I talked to my sister the other day and I go, Shelby, man, do you remember the first time that you thought I was an overweight kid?

01:44:05.000 And she goes, oh, yeah, I'll never forget it, dude.

01:44:07.000 We took you to some store and they had a husky section and you couldn't fit the jeans.

01:44:10.000 You had to shop in the husky section.

01:44:12.000 And she said, dude, it tore you apart.

01:44:15.000 And I was like, wow.

01:44:16.000 Okay, so I lived in that shame forever, too.

01:44:19.000 Forever.

01:44:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:20.000 Like just that constant shame.

01:44:21.000 But I did that work in therapy.

01:44:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:24.000 It had related.

01:44:25.000 That's why I said earlier, sometimes when I'm in the pantry, Mary B would be like, who's what version of you is in the pantry?

01:44:30.000 Is it the kid you or is it the adult you that's not answering an email?

01:44:34.000 Because sometimes this is how deep addiction runs.

01:44:38.000 Sometimes that relapse will be caused by literally an unresponded email that you just let sit there and torture you, but you don't notice it because it's just nagging at you.

01:44:48.000 Just that, why don't you just tell that guy that you're not interested?

01:44:50.000 Why don't you just tell, why are you avoiding that?

01:44:52.000 Why are you avoiding that?

01:44:53.000 You avoid everything.

01:44:54.000 This is your personality trait.

01:44:54.000 You avoid everything.

01:44:56.000 You know what?

01:44:56.000 There's thousands of things you need to be saying to people.

01:44:58.000 You start eating what you're not saying.

01:45:00.000 You know?

01:45:01.000 So like, distract yourself.

01:45:04.000 Distract yourself.

01:45:05.000 Even whenever I first got through this, I had to sit my wife down, Bunny, who is, I talked about a lot of this podcast.

01:45:10.000 She is my anchor, Joe.

01:45:11.000 She's the best thing.

01:45:12.000 I think I've said this every time I've been in your podcast.

01:45:14.000 The single best thing that ever happened to me was marrying the right fucking woman for sure.

01:45:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:20.000 And Bunny, I sit down with Bunny and I'm, what was we talking about?

01:45:24.000 I got so excited about my wife.

01:45:24.000 I'm sorry.

01:45:25.000 Well, you're talking about being husky, shame, why you don't answer emails, distracting yourself.

01:45:31.000 Distracting.

01:45:32.000 It's like you're just constant, the food is a way of not having to deal with or even say, so I sit Bunny down, I go, baby, I'm probably going to start, give me some grace.

01:45:42.000 I sit my whole house down and go, I'm going to try to do an effort to communicate how I feel in real time.

01:45:49.000 And I might be abrasive at first because this is a new concept.

01:45:53.000 I normally have to go like chew on things for a few hours to make sure I don't misrepresent my thoughts.

01:45:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:59.000 I was like, but sometimes in those few hours, I'll find myself in the pantry to distract yourself.

01:46:04.000 Yeah, so I was like, you know, if y'all just give me some grace, and what I need y'all to do is just be a mirror for me.

01:46:10.000 And just go, hey, I got you, but think about the way you said that.

01:46:14.000 Just put it back.

01:46:15.000 Just make me see it.

01:46:16.000 Just make me mirror it.

01:46:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:18.000 And they were so patient with me.

01:46:19.000 Bunny's a gangster, though.

01:46:20.000 She'd be the first one to be like, oh, there goes little snippy there, aren't we? 1.00

01:46:24.000 Little ass holding on. 1.00

01:46:26.000 I'd be like, fair.

01:46:27.000 She'd be like, she's like, I got it.

01:46:28.000 Probably could have said it different.

01:46:29.000 Love you.

01:46:30.000 I'd be like, fair.

01:46:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:46:31.000 But it was just me learning how to communicate my thoughts.

01:46:34.000 And now it's like, but it was so many of these little trigger things that I found that would be what would send me back.

01:46:40.000 I keep saying the pantry.

01:46:41.000 The pantry is the gas station.

01:46:42.000 Anywhere I can closet eat.

01:46:44.000 Right, right.

01:46:44.000 I just give it a place.

01:46:45.000 It's like Cam was telling me about the pain cave idea the other day.

01:46:49.000 It's like to me, that's what the pantry's always been.

01:46:51.000 Not the pain cave, but the idea of it's a it represents a lot.

01:46:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:56.000 But when I'm in the pantry, now I know why.

01:46:58.000 I can literally, once again, reset, reconnect, re-engage.

01:47:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:03.000 In any situation.

01:47:04.000 If I'm at a party now and I think about eating or I think about drinking, I can go outside.

01:47:08.000 I can hit a joint twice.

01:47:09.000 I can reconnect with myself.

01:47:10.000 What do you think about drinking for in there?

01:47:12.000 What do you need to prove?

01:47:14.000 Who are you embarrassed that you're not being cool enough around right now?

01:47:17.000 You think it'll make you a little more loose?

01:47:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:20.000 Like, be real with yourself, Jason.

01:47:22.000 What's wrong here?

01:47:23.000 Right, right.

01:47:23.000 And then you get it.

01:47:24.000 You're like, yeah, fuck, I'm being weird, dude.

01:47:26.000 I don't need to go in there and drink.

01:47:27.000 I'm cool.

01:47:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:28.000 You're becoming a different person.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, a better version of who you really are.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, man.

01:47:34.000 And it's a beautiful thing because you're not just doing it for you.

01:47:38.000 You're doing it publicly.

01:47:40.000 And you doing it publicly is going to change the lives of countless people.

01:47:44.000 There's probably a million people right now that are listening to this that are changing some aspect of their life because of what you're saying.

01:47:52.000 That's why I didn't hide into it, Joe.

01:47:54.000 I've seen too many other celebrities go in the dark and lose a bunch of weight and try to come out with a big reveal.

01:48:00.000 And it always just felt superficial and like it just didn't feel right.

01:48:04.000 I was like, yo, man, we should just like post about this.

01:48:07.000 Like every workout, every day, it's like.

01:48:09.000 It's also good because it makes you accountable.

01:48:11.000 Makes you accountable.

01:48:12.000 Because you're putting it out there to the world.

01:48:14.000 As long as you're not reading the comments.

01:48:17.000 No, no, no.

01:48:18.000 Fuck that comment.

01:48:19.000 I don't even post it.

01:48:20.000 Somebody else posts it.

01:48:20.000 It's ghosted.

01:48:21.000 That's better.

01:48:22.000 That's better.

01:48:23.000 Because as long as you're not dwelling on other people's opinions and thoughts, because a lot of those people, one of the things that they do when they're saying negative things is they're avoiding introspection.

01:48:35.000 They're avoiding their own personal criticism of themselves.

01:48:39.000 So they're doing that by putting that on you.

01:48:42.000 So by putting negative thoughts on you and negative comments on you, what they're really showing is that they're damaged and that they're avoiding that self-analysis that leads to you having to make changes for yourself.

01:48:59.000 So instead, they're just shitting on other people.

01:49:01.000 There's a lot of people.

01:49:03.000 That's an addiction.

01:49:04.000 That's a giant addiction that people have.

01:49:06.000 Not just to being on social media, but to talking on social media, commenting on social media and being out, you know, just being negative.

01:49:14.000 Well, my favorite quote is: the booze mean nothing to me.

01:49:17.000 I've seen what makes them cheer.

01:49:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:21.000 Your booze mean nothing to me.

01:49:22.000 I've seen what you cheer at.

01:49:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:24.000 It's like, oh, dude, you think I care about them booze?

01:49:27.000 It also reminds me of the story of the donkey, the father and the donkey.

01:49:30.000 I don't know if you ever heard this story, but the sons, the father's walking with the son, and the son's riding a donkey, and they're going through this little village.

01:49:37.000 And somebody goes, Won't you look at that?

01:49:39.000 Look at that old man.

01:49:41.000 Look at that.

01:49:42.000 That poor boy's making that old man walk.

01:49:44.000 So the man thinks, oh, I don't want to think bad of my grandson.

01:49:47.000 So he tells the grandson, hey, in the next town, right before we go, I'm going to hop on the donkey and you walk.

01:49:51.000 So he hops on the donkey and they start walking.

01:49:53.000 And somebody goes, Can you believe that old man's making that little boy walk by himself?

01:49:58.000 So he stops.

01:49:58.000 He says, Fuck it.

01:49:59.000 I'll just buy the kid a donkey. 0.70

01:50:00.000 So he buys the kid a donkey.

01:50:02.000 They're going through the next city and they're both walking beside their donkeys, right?

01:50:06.000 No, they're both on their donkeys.

01:50:08.000 And somebody goes, well, look at them two people just beating the death, beating to death, them poor old donkeys. 0.82

01:50:13.000 Them old donkeys just can't do nothing. 1.00

01:50:15.000 He said the next town he tells us to the grandson, he goes, Fuck it, we'll just walk beside the donkeys.

01:50:19.000 So they're walking beside the donkey, and you know what somebody screams, don't you?

01:50:22.000 Look at them perfectly two good donkeys they're not using.

01:50:25.000 Those donkeys should be getting put to work.

01:50:27.000 And the moral is he couldn't do anything to make anybody happy.

01:50:30.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:30.000 It didn't matter what he did.

01:50:31.000 To never make everybody happy because everybody's not happy.

01:50:37.000 That's the thing.

01:50:38.000 It's like you can make happy people happy, but you can't.

01:50:42.000 What percentage of people are legitimately happy?

01:50:44.000 It's hard to get happy.

01:50:45.000 It's difficult.

01:50:46.000 You know what else changed for me was looking at happy different.

01:50:50.000 My wife has that quote in the house that says, we no longer search for happiness.

01:50:54.000 We search to be useful.

01:50:56.000 It's like the moment I quit looking for my happiness, now I just look to be a tool.

01:51:01.000 Like I walk in every situation with my hands open.

01:51:03.000 Like, God, what you got for me here?

01:51:04.000 Right.

01:51:05.000 How can I bring value to this?

01:51:06.000 What can I do?

01:51:07.000 Can I motivate?

01:51:08.000 Like, where can I be a little piece of you in this moment?

01:51:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:12.000 And that changed everything.

01:51:14.000 Now, by default, I'm always happy because I'm being useful.

01:51:17.000 Right.

01:51:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:19.000 Like, there's nothing more fulfilling than being useful.

01:51:21.000 Yeah.

01:51:22.000 But I quit chasing happiness.

01:51:23.000 I just started chasing being useful.

01:51:25.000 That's beautiful.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 That's beautiful.

01:51:29.000 It's an amazing story, man.

01:51:31.000 And you're in the middle of it.

01:51:33.000 You're not done.

01:51:34.000 Well, we've almost lost the weight.

01:51:36.000 The transformation will be next.

01:51:39.000 And the transformation, Joe, that will be something to watch.

01:51:43.000 The weight loss, that's been cool to watch, but the transformation, Bubba, I'm coming, dude.

01:51:48.000 And what do you mean by the transformation?

01:51:49.000 Dude, it's like, I'm going to like, I see myself.

01:51:54.000 I've never been able to see myself like this, but like, I'm going to be like in top shape, Joe.

01:52:01.000 Like, I was watching you with them kettlebells today, and while I'm running, I was thinking to myself, the next time I do this podcast, if Joe has me back, God willing, I'll fucking, I'm going to do that workout with him and I'm going to blow his mind.

01:52:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:12.000 I'm going to make him in that action bronchus my friend. 1.00

01:52:14.000 So I say this out of love.

01:52:16.000 I'm going to finish that workout.

01:52:17.000 You're going to shake my hand and be like, dude, you did better in action.

01:52:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:52:19.000 Like, it's like, you know what I mean?

01:52:21.000 Like, I was watching it like, I'm fucking coming for that.

01:52:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:25.000 Like, that's the kind of shape I want to be in.

01:52:27.000 Like, man, stuff, Joe, I didn't feel like a man.

01:52:29.000 Dude, at 500 pounds, I couldn't walk a mile.

01:52:32.000 My video guy, Andy, you've met him a few times, tall ball guy.

01:52:35.000 That's real fun.

01:52:36.000 He said something to me when I was losing this weight that broke my heart because he's such a good kid.

01:52:41.000 When I finally got down to like 300, he looked at me and said, dude, you're like, I just need you under 250.

01:52:48.000 And I was like, what for?

01:52:49.000 And he was like, because then if anything ever goes wrong, I know I can throw 250 pounds over my shoulder and I can fire him and carry you out of somewhere.

01:52:55.000 And I was like, what a sweet soul that you have secretly been looking at me all these years.

01:53:00.000 Like, what if something happens to the jelly and I can't get him up?

01:53:02.000 Right.

01:53:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:04.000 Like, what a just genuine swell.

01:53:06.000 Like, I didn't realize how much my weight was affecting everybody.

01:53:09.000 Well, people who love you know that this is not sustainable.

01:53:14.000 And if they love you and they love being around you, they go, how much longer is he going to be here?

01:53:19.000 Right.

01:53:20.000 And when you're 40 years old and you're 500 pounds, it's like, the answer is not long.

01:53:20.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 It's just your body can't do it.

01:53:29.000 You know, and everybody's different.

01:53:30.000 Some people don't even make it to 40.

01:53:32.000 No, I could feel it happening.

01:53:33.000 Like I was, I was scared of the way I would sleep in certain positions.

01:53:38.000 Like I would have nightmares that I was going to die.

01:53:38.000 Right.

01:53:40.000 Stop breathing.

01:53:41.000 And if I rolled the other way, I'd suffocate myself.

01:53:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:44.000 It's possible.

01:53:45.000 It was just, you know, if I've rolled over one time on my stomach and I was so fat that the way I rolled over, I trapped my left arm under me.

01:53:54.000 And my right arm almost wasn't strong enough to get me up enough to let the left arm loose.

01:54:00.000 Oh, my God.

01:54:02.000 I'm panicking.

01:54:03.000 Like you're suffocating.

01:54:04.000 Like I'm going to die right here because I just physically don't have enough strength in one arm to get me from, you know, I roll over like this to get me up off of my other arm.

01:54:13.000 I can tell you right now, I could do 20 push-ups, though.

01:54:16.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:54:16.000 That's amazing.

01:54:17.000 I know it don't sound like a lot to the listener, but from where I'm coming from, big deal.

01:54:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:54:21.000 I'm in better shape than Burt Kreischer, for sure.

01:54:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:54:26.000 I love you, Bertie boy.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, you've done what he wants to do, but he never can do.

01:54:33.000 I will say this to him and Tom, boy.

01:54:34.000 They better bring their A-game to the 5K this year.

01:54:36.000 Don't look up and I look like Tanner or Truitt Haynes running with fucking jeans on.

01:54:42.000 Yeah, he's interesting because he's got it in him.

01:54:48.000 He can lose weight.

01:54:49.000 Like when Tom and him first had that weight loss challenge, Tom went with it and never went back.

01:54:55.000 Tom looks great.

01:54:56.000 He looks fucking amazing.

01:54:58.000 He's thinner than he's ever been before.

01:54:59.000 He's like 180 now.

01:55:00.000 Brigham said he's getting in shape.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, man.

01:55:02.000 He works out hard.

01:55:03.000 I secretly want to beat him in the 5K, but it's a big dude.

01:55:07.000 I'm on your ass, Tommy Buns. 0.99

01:55:09.000 When I met Tommy, Tommy was like real big and he was eating bad.

01:55:13.000 And, you know, and him and Bert both decided to have this weight loss challenge.

01:55:18.000 So we had this podcast together.

01:55:21.000 They lost all the weight, you know, and Bert got pretty thin too, man.

01:55:25.000 They both lost a lot of weight.

01:55:27.000 You know, they did it over the whole month of October.

01:55:30.000 And then when they came in, they weighed each other on the scale, and Tom won.

01:55:35.000 And so Bert had to shave his beard.

01:55:37.000 And they did it, you know, live on the air.

01:55:39.000 It was fun.

01:55:40.000 We had a good time, though.

01:55:41.000 But it was this moment where Tom realized, okay, I don't ever want to be fat again.

01:55:48.000 And he never was fat again.

01:55:49.000 He just, he gained a little bit of weight and then lost it again, but he never got fat again.

01:55:54.000 And now he looks fucking, he looks tremendous.

01:55:57.000 I mean, you go back and watch his earlier comedy specials.

01:56:01.000 He was this big old moon face.

01:56:03.000 And then look at him now.

01:56:04.000 You would never even imagine that guy was ever fat.

01:56:06.000 No, for sure.

01:56:07.000 It's back when he had the moon face, the black button down, and he was balding up top and wouldn't commit.

01:56:12.000 No, totally different time.

01:56:13.000 He's a different human.

01:56:14.000 He's a different human now.

01:56:15.000 And Bert goes back and forth.

01:56:18.000 Bert will lose a bunch of weight and then get big as fuck again.

01:56:21.000 That yo-yo.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:23.000 With Bert, it's booze, man.

01:56:24.000 It's all booze for Bert.

01:56:24.000 It's booze.

01:56:27.000 It's food, too.

01:56:28.000 I mean, the motherfucker will go to McDonald's and order like 30 Big Macs. 0.95

01:56:33.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:56:34.000 Well, you know what that is.

01:56:35.000 The left hand will wash the right hand in those situations. 0.73

01:56:38.000 You put a little alcohol in you.

01:56:39.000 You're not thinking, you know what?

01:56:40.000 I think a Caesar salad with a salmon is pretty good tonight.

01:56:43.000 You're like, somebody take me in and out, baby.

01:56:46.000 I relate.

01:56:48.000 My chef had a note one night.

01:56:49.000 We looked through all my weight loss before this pod, and he had a note where I went drinking heavy one night, and I was probably 515 pounds.

01:56:56.000 And he was just like, even in his note, he was like, not sustainable.

01:56:59.000 He can never lose the weight drinking this way.

01:57:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:02.000 Like it was just Ian Laris was just that.

01:57:03.000 And he sat me down.

01:57:04.000 I was like, Bubba, I don't care what I feed you.

01:57:06.000 I can't outwork.

01:57:08.000 You get drunk and you eat 3,000 calories of shit after you drink 3,000 calories of tequila.

01:57:13.000 Right, right.

01:57:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:14.000 I was like, I got to quit drinking.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 You know, just a stone cold thing I had to come with.

01:57:18.000 It's terrible for you.

01:57:20.000 And when you see Bert with that enormous belly, that's all just alcohol and inflammation.

01:57:26.000 It's like so bad for you.

01:57:28.000 And Bert's 50 now.

01:57:30.000 You know, it's like a doctor.

01:57:32.000 God.

01:57:33.000 No, but.

01:57:33.000 Yeah, but Bert don't listen.

01:57:34.000 No, no, Bert don't listen.

01:57:36.000 But he's also, he's.

01:57:36.000 He's also an athlete, though.

01:57:38.000 The problem with Bert is that that dude, this is what I love about Bert that makes Bert so special is that Bert, you remember when he ran a half marathon or marathon or something without training him?

01:57:46.000 Yeah, he ran a whole marathon without any training at all.

01:57:48.000 That's Bert.

01:57:49.000 And he was fat.

01:57:50.000 No, that's fat.

01:57:50.000 And he ran 26 miles.

01:57:51.000 Yeah, this is just like Bert at who he is.

01:57:54.000 So it's that really hard thing to tell a guy.

01:57:57.000 It's like, yo, be careful, Bubba.

01:57:58.000 But it's also like he'd go bust the 10K out today if you made him, just out of spite.

01:58:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:58:04.000 No, he's got extraordinary genetics that he abuses.

01:58:07.000 Picky Manel Jane, dude. 0.99

01:58:08.000 It's real, man.

01:58:09.000 It's fucking real, dog.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, no, it is real.

01:58:12.000 It is real.

01:58:13.000 You know, but he's playing a game that you can never win.

01:58:18.000 Right.

01:58:18.000 You'll never win that game.

01:58:19.000 No.

01:58:20.000 Eventually, one day your heart will go, check, please.

01:58:24.000 And that's it.

01:58:24.000 Yeah.

01:58:25.000 You know, and hopefully he catches it before that.

01:58:25.000 Yeah.

01:58:28.000 Yeah.

01:58:29.000 You know, and that's what everybody who loves him wants.

01:58:31.000 Yeah.

01:58:32.000 It's just, he's also got this mindset that his whole success is connected to him being this party animal.

01:58:41.000 It's not, though.

01:58:42.000 It's connected to you being Bert.

01:58:43.000 It's connected to you being one of the most genuine, sweet, funny, show-up for you dudes I've ever met in my life.

01:58:50.000 Like six-pack or 400 pounds, dude, your heart is the size of a horse.

01:58:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:55.000 Like Bert Kreiser is the new friends.

01:58:58.000 That's one of the ones I pray for.

01:59:00.000 Burt Chrysler, Cam Haynes.

01:59:01.000 I prayed for new kins.

01:59:02.000 He sent me a bunch of really cool ones.

01:59:04.000 A bunch of wild ones.

01:59:05.000 Joe Rogan, Tony Hitchcliffe, a bunch of fuck-ups, but they were good dudes.

01:59:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:59:09.000 Like real, real slightly outside of normal people, but are great guys.

01:59:14.000 You know, Burt Chrysler is a great, his friendship's done a lot for me.

01:59:17.000 I hope me showing up.

01:59:19.000 He hasn't really, he's seen me whenever at wrestling, but I think when I show up to this 5K and I do it in 30 minutes, I hope that's the moment Bert's like, all right, baby, I'm with you, Jelly.

01:59:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:59:30.000 Well, he's just got to realize that his success will always be there.

01:59:33.000 He doesn't have to be drunk to have that success.

01:59:36.000 He does sober October sometimes.

01:59:38.000 And one time recently, he did it.

01:59:40.000 And he called me up and he's like, I just haven't been drinking.

01:59:44.000 I feel so much better.

01:59:46.000 And I really think I'm done.

01:59:47.000 I go, you should be done, man.

01:59:49.000 You don't need it.

01:59:50.000 You don't need it.

01:59:50.000 He's like, you're right.

01:59:51.000 I think I'm done.

01:59:52.000 And then right back to it.

01:59:55.000 But in those moments of clarity, he realizes.

01:59:55.000 It's hard.

01:59:59.000 Maybe he'll hear this.

02:00:00.000 He's funny.

02:00:00.000 That'll be it.

02:00:01.000 I think he's funny either way.

02:00:03.000 Oh, he'll be funny either way.

02:00:05.000 Yeah, I've woke up with him.

02:00:06.000 He's hilarious.

02:00:07.000 He'll probably be more funny.

02:00:08.000 Bert at breakfast to me is just funny as Bert at night.

02:00:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:12.000 Oh, for sure.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:00:14.000 It's healthier.

02:00:16.000 It's like I've been very fortunate in life.

02:00:21.000 One of the most fortunate things, though, is the group of people that I've been connected to.

02:00:26.000 It's very, like we were talking about that.

02:00:29.000 It's very important.

02:00:30.000 It's very important.

02:00:32.000 And Bert is connected to a lot of really good people.

02:00:34.000 And hopefully that'll lead him on a similar.

02:00:38.000 I mean, everybody has their own timeline.

02:00:40.000 Everybody has their own way of doing it.

02:00:42.000 Everybody has to have their own moment, too.

02:00:44.000 You know, I had to have mine.

02:00:46.000 I just, my thing for Bert or anybody out there is that if you're, just don't let it get there if you can.

02:00:51.000 Right.

02:00:51.000 I just pray, man.

02:00:53.000 I feel like I don't think I'm making this up when I say I think I was six to 12 months away from missing it.

02:00:58.000 Especially traveling.

02:00:59.000 You know, I travel 280 days a year.

02:01:01.000 Right.

02:01:02.000 At 500-something pounds, 200-something flights a year, 250 flights a year.

02:01:06.000 So bad for me.

02:01:07.000 I just, I couldn't, I wasn't going to be able to do it.

02:01:09.000 I knew it.

02:01:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:12.000 And lucky, once again, I had a wife that was just super supportive.

02:01:15.000 She was supportive through all the phases, though.

02:01:17.000 But she was just like, yo, this is time.

02:01:20.000 And she went out of her way. 1.00

02:01:21.000 The first, the first three months of the diet, I probably left this part out because I'm embarrassed about it, but I'll shadel it.

02:01:26.000 The first three months of the diet, I sit down with her and go, look, I need you to hide the food.

02:01:31.000 Like, I will find it.

02:01:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:01:33.000 Like, I need you to hide the food.

02:01:35.000 So her and my daughter Bailey found like all these cool, like, I still don't know where they were.

02:01:39.000 I never found it.

02:01:40.000 But they hid everything from me.

02:01:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:43.000 Like, there were nights I'd walk in that pantry and it would be like a banana.

02:01:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:01:47.000 I'd be like the entire pantry was gone.

02:01:49.000 I'd be like, fair.

02:01:50.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:51.000 Like, it was cool.

02:01:52.000 But once again, it goes back to the fox, the mole, and the horse.

02:01:54.000 I never asked for help before.

02:01:56.000 Right.

02:01:56.000 I never would get out of my own ego.

02:01:57.000 And if I just say everything I was going to do and then not do it and then get mad when they ask, when they try to encouragingly.

02:02:02.000 But maybe even more importantly, you were helping yourself.

02:02:06.000 It wasn't just you were asking for help.

02:02:09.000 You weren't asking for help while you weren't doing anything.

02:02:11.000 You were asking for help while you were helping yourself.

02:02:14.000 And they were like, okay, I think he's really doing this.

02:02:16.000 That's it.

02:02:17.000 There's really a change going on.

02:02:17.000 Yeah.

02:02:19.000 It goes back to the rainwalk.

02:02:21.000 Whenever they, yeah, you don't have to go.

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:23.000 And then when I went, they cheered it.

02:02:24.000 It's a great moment that it did happen in the rain, you know, because it makes it even more significant.

02:02:28.000 It makes it more, you know, meaningful.

02:02:31.000 Made it so real.

02:02:32.000 I keep mentioning God because my faith in him grows so much stronger every day.

02:02:36.000 But I truly believe that that was a God thing.

02:02:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:39.000 That's almost this weird thing.

02:02:40.000 That's like, you know, you walk out and be like, you know what?

02:02:43.000 Even the hill.

02:02:44.000 Dude, I've lived on hills my whole life and never walked up one.

02:02:48.000 I'm from Tennessee.

02:02:49.000 They're nothing but hills.

02:02:50.000 I go downhill.

02:02:51.000 That's what I do.

02:02:52.000 It's a fat person trait.

02:02:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:54.000 We look cooler, move faster, you know?

02:02:56.000 Yeah.

02:02:56.000 And immediately, just like, nah, man, we're hitting hills, dude.

02:02:59.000 Like, every time I can hit a hill, I'm now looking for hills in life.

02:03:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:04.000 Like, I'm looking for, like, how can I make this run a little harder?

02:03:08.000 Like, when Cam tells me we're at Mile Five, he's like, I'm proud of you.

02:03:10.000 Did your PR?

02:03:11.000 I was like, we better do 6'2 then, baby.

02:03:13.000 It ain't a 10K if we don't do another mile point too.

02:03:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:16.000 Like, immediately, I was like, we got to go.

02:03:18.000 It's just been, it's the, it's the effort.

02:03:21.000 But helping the self, knowing you want to change, and then not being afraid to just go ask, not being ashamed to just go to your wife, because that's a little embarrassing.

02:03:28.000 And be like, hey, can you just like had the dark chocolate?

02:03:32.000 And they're who dark chocolate bars.

02:03:34.000 Bunny's extremely healthy.

02:03:35.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:36.000 Like, has always been.

02:03:37.000 Them hoo-dock chocolate bars are so good.

02:03:39.000 But the problem is, I don't know how to eat one.

02:03:40.000 They're only 380 calories.

02:03:42.000 But if there's five of them in there, I'll eat all five for sure.

02:03:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:03:46.000 You know, so some nights you'd leave me a little half a bar out or something.

02:03:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:03:49.000 Like rations until I could control it.

02:03:52.000 Until I knew that.

02:03:53.000 And then now my pantry's back full.

02:03:55.000 Well, now you're addicted to the success of what you've already accomplished, which is a good addiction.

02:04:00.000 It's a good addiction.

02:04:01.000 Being addicted to being healthy is the best addiction you could find.

02:04:04.000 Because I don't think you're going to get out of the addiction mindset.

02:04:09.000 I think what addiction is, I think there's a reason why it exists in the human mind.

02:04:14.000 And I think it exists because it's the same thing as obsession.

02:04:17.000 And obsession allows you to be a successful hunter.

02:04:20.000 It's like hunter's persistence.

02:04:22.000 If you don't have that obsessive drive, you won't keep going until you're succeeding.

02:04:30.000 And if you do have that, you'll feed your family.

02:04:34.000 If you don't have that, everybody dies.

02:04:36.000 I think that's like programmed into the human psyche.

02:04:39.000 It's programmed into the human mind.

02:04:41.000 But it can be hijacked by gambling.

02:04:44.000 It could be hijacked by pornography.

02:04:46.000 It could be hijacked by video games.

02:04:48.000 It could be hijacked by a host of different things, drugs, alcohol, anything, food, fill in the blank.

02:04:54.000 I think that is where it happens.

02:04:57.000 You get addicted to all kinds of things that are negative, or you can get addicted to positive things.

02:05:03.000 Meaningful conversations.

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 Exercise.

02:05:06.000 I'm addicted to meaningful conversations now.

02:05:08.000 I used to be addicted to small talk.

02:05:08.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 It's hard to find them.

02:05:11.000 You know?

02:05:12.000 It's hard to find.

02:05:13.000 Stuff like this, like meaningful, like rich.

02:05:15.000 I'm searching for rich conversations.

02:05:18.000 Even in my relationships with my wife, like in my health, our conversations are getting deeper.

02:05:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:24.000 Like, we're like, I never thought I could know this woman I love so much better, but I'm getting to know her better.

02:05:24.000 Yes.

02:05:30.000 Like, we're getting deeper in the foxhole together.

02:05:32.000 We're getting deeper in the shadows of each other's crevices.

02:05:35.000 It's like, I'm looking for that.

02:05:37.000 I'm looking to pour into people, man.

02:05:38.000 It's just, dude.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, that's another thing about phones that makes it very difficult for people to have meaningful conversations because everybody's so attached to their goddamn devices.

02:05:50.000 Even while you're talking to them, they're checking this and checking that.

02:05:53.000 You feel you're going, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, that's real.

02:05:56.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:57.000 And they're just scrolling and half paying attention to you.

02:06:00.000 It's a lot.

02:06:01.000 It's a lot.

02:06:02.000 It's hard.

02:06:02.000 It's like one of the things that I've said about this podcast is like one of the most unexpected things about it is this education that I've got in talking to people.

02:06:12.000 Not just like listening to their stories and listening to whatever their expertise is.

02:06:16.000 But it's also just the learning how to talk to people.

02:06:20.000 Because you're sitting here for three hours or whatever it is with no distractions and no interruptions.

02:06:27.000 And because of that, you learn this sort of ebb and flow of human conversation.

02:06:32.000 So for me, it's so hard to have a bad conversation.

02:06:36.000 When I'm out with people that are bad at having conversations, to me, it's fucking painful.

02:06:40.000 It's like, oh, God.

02:06:46.000 It drives me crazy.

02:06:48.000 Watching people talk over people, watching people that aren't listening.

02:06:52.000 They're just waiting for their time to talk.

02:06:56.000 It's such a connection, man.

02:06:58.000 And a lot of those people that are missing that goes into these, the byproducts of lack of connection are addiction, isolation, loneliness.

02:07:10.000 These are the side effects of not connecting with people.

02:07:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:16.000 And that phone has tricked us into thinking that we're connecting with thousands of people.

02:07:20.000 Right.

02:07:21.000 And we're actually not connecting with anybody.

02:07:23.000 Not connecting with a single person.

02:07:25.000 We're being more lonely and more comparative.

02:07:27.000 It's a trap.

02:07:28.000 It's a real trap because you're getting input.

02:07:30.000 There's some input.

02:07:32.000 There's some words that come from a person, I guess.

02:07:35.000 But there's no human.

02:07:37.000 Like, we're designed to talk to each other this way.

02:07:40.000 The spiritual fulfillment, the psychological fulfillment that comes from talking to a human being and making a genuine connection and understanding more about that person.

02:07:49.000 And then by also doing that, you understand more about yourself.

02:07:53.000 Like when someone reveals something to you that's very meaningful and very intimate, like you go, oh, wow.

02:08:00.000 Like, what is it about, why does that?

02:08:03.000 Maybe I could be better at that.

02:08:05.000 Maybe I could do this.

02:08:06.000 Or maybe I can, maybe I'm looking at myself the wrong way or looking at people the wrong way.

02:08:11.000 And, you know, and you're just like this slow learning process of how to interact with people better.

02:08:17.000 And that's all kids today that are on their phone all day long, they're psychologically stunted.

02:08:24.000 You know, we're stunting their social growth and their development of just most people don't, most kids today barely know how to communicate with each other.

02:08:33.000 Especially even long form like this, it's the ability to really get, you don't really know how somebody feels about something until you really get into a conversation, like a real conversation.

02:08:44.000 And these kids aren't having those conversations with each other.

02:08:47.000 It's all in micro clips and micro spots.

02:08:50.000 And me and my daughter talk about this a lot because lucky for, I was blessed that she's a conversationalist.

02:08:56.000 She's kind of, she's like me.

02:08:58.000 She will have a meaningful conversation.

02:09:00.000 So I'm, I'm, but I look at my nine-year-old who's a little younger than her, obviously.

02:09:04.000 My daughter goes to college next year.

02:09:04.000 She's 17.

02:09:06.000 And my nine-year-old's a little different, though.

02:09:09.000 He communicates good, but he's still in that, you know, video game world.

02:09:13.000 Like he just, it's a different thing where Bailey still really appreciates us, sit around the, I don't know, man.

02:09:19.000 I grew up in a household where we, I told you this story.

02:09:21.000 My mom would sit at the kitchen table and tell us stories like me and you are talking right now for hours.

02:09:26.000 We had a JRE every night.

02:09:28.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:09:29.000 You know, she'd smoke cigarettes and tell stories, and it was just like super charming.

02:09:33.000 And, you know, it's, so my daughter grew up a lot like that, and I'm really proud of that.

02:09:37.000 You know, she grew up sitting in a room and having those kind of commercial, like real long form, because that's how you know how you really feel about it.

02:09:44.000 It's what therapy did for me, too.

02:09:46.000 Was whenever I quit doing things at a surface level, when it started going, yeah, that's cool, but like, really, when was the first time you remember being fat?

02:09:54.000 I think people have a hunger for it, which is why this emergence of long-form conversations into the zeitgeist has been surprising to a lot of people.

02:10:05.000 Because, you know, when I first started doing this podcast, one of the funny things that Ari Shafiro always said to me that I'll never let him live it down because he was always like, you got to edit your show.

02:10:15.000 I go, why?

02:10:16.000 He goes, nobody wants to listen to three hours.

02:10:18.000 I go, then don't listen.

02:10:19.000 I don't care.

02:10:20.000 I go, I'm doing it for no money anyway.

02:10:22.000 Back then, it was like it was costing me money.

02:10:25.000 I was like, I'm just doing it for fun, man.

02:10:26.000 I don't care.

02:10:27.000 I put it out there.

02:10:28.000 If they don't want to listen to the whole thing, they don't have to listen to the whole thing.

02:10:30.000 There's another one coming out in a couple of days.

02:10:32.000 Listen to that one.

02:10:33.000 Listen to five minutes.

02:10:34.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:10:35.000 And he's like, shit, it's going to fuck up your show.

02:10:38.000 And I'm like, all right, whatever.

02:10:40.000 And then now I'm like, remember when you told me that?

02:10:42.000 Ha ha.

02:10:43.000 Because I don't think that people realize how many people are starving for real conversation.

02:10:51.000 You know, this is one of the reasons why, like, when that Kamala Harris thing went down, where I had Trump on the podcast and Kamala Harris kept resisting coming on the podcast, they wanted to do it for like 45 minutes.

02:11:02.000 They wanted to do it in a conference room with a bunch of aides around.

02:11:05.000 They wanted to do it in DC.

02:11:07.000 I was like, no, no, it has to be here and it has to be three hours.

02:11:13.000 Like, she's got to sit down.

02:11:15.000 Like, because it takes a while to get inside someone's head.

02:11:20.000 You got to, you talk, you could bullshit me for 40 minutes.

02:11:24.000 Easy.

02:11:25.000 For 40 minutes, you could have a bunch of canned speeches and a bunch of shit you prepared and a bunch of like bullshit answers.

02:11:31.000 But I'll ask you like what you like to cook.

02:11:34.000 I'll ask you, like, do you exercise?

02:11:37.000 I'll ask you, what's your favorite book?

02:11:38.000 I'll ask you, like, all kinds of different things.

02:11:40.000 And then we'll start talking.

02:11:42.000 We'll start talking about like, did you ever think you were going to be this person?

02:11:45.000 Like, what, what, you know, what led you here?

02:11:47.000 Like, what, and give me some real shit. 0.87

02:11:51.000 Give me some real shit.

02:11:52.000 Well, you can't.

02:11:53.000 This is why I've always loved your pod, is that it's where I go find out who people are.

02:11:57.000 Yeah.

02:11:58.000 Because it's so easy, and I'm in the media, right?

02:12:01.000 To go sit down for 20 minutes and like smile and smile, just get it out of the way.

02:12:07.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:12:09.000 But it's like, you give me three hours with somebody, they got to show me who they are.

02:12:14.000 Somebody's, Joe's going to find out who this person is.

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:18.000 Like, he's going to, it's like, and that's back to like, because we don't know who we are until we start having real conversations.

02:12:23.000 Right.

02:12:24.000 This goes back to what me and you started with this.

02:12:26.000 That we don't know who we are until you started having real conversations.

02:12:29.000 I don't know how it started, whether it was in the green room with some of your comic friends.

02:12:32.000 You were like, dude, we have the greatest conversations in here.

02:12:34.000 We should do this.

02:12:34.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:35.000 Like, these are funny.

02:12:36.000 I don't know, but something happened where you recognize, like, this is rare that people have conversations this funny, this good, but also this cathartic.

02:12:44.000 Like, there's moments we've laughed, we've cried, like, it's every podcast of yours.

02:12:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:48.000 Where, because you can't spend three hours with somebody and not see the full dynamic human.

02:12:52.000 Yeah, and I think there's a hunger that people have for finding out that other people have similar thoughts to them.

02:12:59.000 And maybe not even, maybe different thoughts in similar situations.

02:13:03.000 And that someone has had a better way of approaching something.

02:13:05.000 And it's educational, like to your soul.

02:13:10.000 There's something about it.

02:13:11.000 About like, we all want to pretend that we exist in a vacuum and everyone wants to pretend they're a loner.

02:13:17.000 And I'd rather be alone.

02:13:18.000 Like, shut up.

02:13:20.000 No, you wouldn't.

02:13:20.000 You'd only rather be alone if the people around you suck.

02:13:23.000 If the people around me suck, yeah, I'd rather be alone.

02:13:26.000 But I have great friends.

02:13:28.000 I like being around my friends.

02:13:29.000 It's like, it's not shallow to want to be around a bunch of awesome people.

02:13:34.000 But there's this thought that like, you know, that we are, that we exist on our own.

02:13:46.000 And you don't.

02:13:47.000 We're a collective.

02:13:49.000 Like the human species itself is a hive.

02:13:52.000 And it's one of the things we're learning about the negative impacts of that hive being connected to social media because you're not really connecting with people, but we're also experiencing this thing that's similar to a hive.

02:14:05.000 And so there's a writer, Avi Levinovitz, who talks about this.

02:14:10.000 And the way he described it rather, is that it's like processed food.

02:14:16.000 You're getting processed information.

02:14:18.000 And instead of real information, like on social media, you're getting this processed thing that's boiled down with no nutrients in it, but you keep consuming it because you're so hungry because you're not getting the real thing.

02:14:31.000 You're just stuffing your face with stuffing your mind with process information.

02:14:35.000 I think that's an apt way to put it because that's really what's going on.

02:14:38.000 It's like we all want real connection.

02:14:42.000 We're just worried.

02:14:43.000 We're worried that someone's going to reject us.

02:14:45.000 We'll worry that someone's going to be rude to us.

02:14:47.000 We're worried that someone's judging us, that someone's going to think they're better than us, or that they're going to think we lack or whatever it is.

02:14:55.000 There's this like there's a thing that we all hunger for.

02:14:59.000 And I think for a lot of people, what they get if they don't have it near them, if they haven't done what you've done and found a great group of friends, they can get it through podcasts.

02:15:12.000 They can get it through people talking and communicating and being real and being interested and being curious and learning and just being cool to each other.

02:15:23.000 And it's heartwarming.

02:15:25.000 It's like it fills something in you that we're missing because we're being poisoned by these fucking devices.

02:15:31.000 And we're only seeing these little snippets of people.

02:15:35.000 Like back to the conversation, like we see comments.

02:15:39.000 Like a paragraph.

02:15:40.000 And then people building entire thoughts around a paragraph.

02:15:44.000 And you don't even know what that dude's thought was.

02:15:46.000 It's just a paragraph on the internet.

02:15:47.000 You didn't actually talk to that guy to see what that was.

02:15:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:52.000 Like it's that thing of like, I had it.

02:15:56.000 I didn't plan on talking about this, but it's a perfect time because I learned such a lesson in it.

02:16:00.000 I was on my laptop one day on Instagram.com, and it was the day of the Dove Awards, which is a Christian Music Awards.

02:16:06.000 And I had a gospel song get nominated for a Grammy this year.

02:16:08.000 What's it called?

02:16:08.000 The Double Awards?

02:16:09.000 The Dove, D-O-V Awards.

02:16:12.000 And it's like the Christian Grammys. 0.90

02:16:13.000 Okay.

02:16:14.000 It's been around for a long time, Gospel Music Association.

02:16:18.000 I did a song with a Christian artist this year named Brandon Lake.

02:16:20.000 It's called Hard Fought Hallelujah.

02:16:22.000 I got to sing it at the Vatican, Joe.

02:16:24.000 Oh, wow.

02:16:24.000 I got to sing this.

02:16:25.000 Will you pull that clip, Jamie, of music?

02:16:27.000 You sing at the Vatican?

02:16:28.000 I sang in St. Peter's Square, Joe.

02:16:30.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:31.000 First live concert ever in St. Peter's Square, right outside of St. Peter's.

02:16:35.000 St. Peter's Basilica was our, this is it.

02:16:37.000 Wow.

02:16:38.000 Right here.

02:16:39.000 Watch.

02:16:39.000 St. Peter's Basilica.

02:16:40.000 Look, that's the basilica right there.

02:16:42.000 I got goosebumps.

02:16:43.000 Look at that.

02:16:43.000 That's the square, Bubba.

02:16:44.000 That's Vatican City.

02:16:45.000 That's incredible.

02:16:47.000 Look at this.

02:16:47.000 That's incredible.

02:16:49.000 I will tell you.

02:16:50.000 Biasly, it might have been my best vocal performance of my career.

02:16:50.000 That's incredible.

02:16:54.000 Wow.

02:16:56.000 Look at that, Joe.

02:16:57.000 But you're already losing weight by then.

02:16:59.000 Yeah, no, for sure.

02:17:00.000 This was about six months ago.

02:17:00.000 Showed you how much I've lost since then.

02:17:02.000 You look like a different person even now to then.

02:17:05.000 Dude, what's funny?

02:17:07.000 When you're 500 pounds, you lose 20 pounds.

02:17:09.000 You don't really see it.

02:17:10.000 It's beautiful, though.

02:17:11.000 Dude.

02:17:13.000 I went out to sound check, Joe.

02:17:15.000 And of course, y'all know I'm emotional by now, but I couldn't even get through sound check.

02:17:19.000 I was crying so hard.

02:17:20.000 But watch this part right here.

02:17:21.000 You'll see my hand shaking.

02:17:22.000 I'm shaking up there.

02:17:23.000 You see it?

02:17:23.000 Wow.

02:17:24.000 I am shaking.

02:17:25.000 Watch the microphone hand because it's the one that doesn't lie.

02:17:25.000 You see the mic?

02:17:28.000 Y'all know that.

02:17:29.000 The other one you can shake while you're moving it, but the microphone hand.

02:17:31.000 Look at it.

02:17:32.000 Yeah, man.

02:17:33.000 Yeah, man.

02:17:34.000 Wow.

02:17:35.000 It was.

02:17:36.000 Wow.

02:17:37.000 And I'll tell you a story about this.

02:17:39.000 Incredible.

02:17:40.000 I know I keep bringing up God things, but they called me to do this.

02:17:44.000 And it was Pharrell and Andrea Bocelli put this together.

02:17:48.000 Okay.

02:17:49.000 And I love Pharrell.

02:17:50.000 He's a dear, dear, became a friend of mine, sweet guy.

02:17:52.000 And I go, okay, cool.

02:17:53.000 And I get there and Teddy Swims is there.

02:17:55.000 And Jennifer Hudson is. 1.00

02:17:56.000 Teddy Swims is the dude, baby.

02:17:56.000 I love Teddy Swims.

02:17:58.000 That dude's got a voice.

02:17:58.000 Oh, man.

02:17:59.000 He's got a voice, though.

02:18:01.000 It is ridiculous.

02:18:02.000 You had him on you?

02:18:03.000 No, we've been talking though.

02:18:04.000 Oh, we're going to do it.

02:18:05.000 Please, his next album is bring him for his next.

02:18:07.000 He's a good conversation, too, man.

02:18:09.000 I believe it.

02:18:09.000 Sweet soul, Little Georgia boy.

02:18:11.000 Just Southern is collar greens.

02:18:13.000 You're going to love him.

02:18:14.000 He's just like me.

02:18:14.000 He reminds me of you.

02:18:15.000 Excuse me.

02:18:16.000 He's the sweetest.

02:18:17.000 That motherfucker. 0.86

02:18:18.000 He's going to sing his ass off.

02:18:19.000 It's not fair.

02:18:20.000 It's not fair.

02:18:21.000 I went and sing with Bocelli.

02:18:24.000 I mean, if you're standing next to Bocelli and you got a voice, think about that.

02:18:27.000 So I get there and I'm like, all right, so what's the story here?

02:18:32.000 And everybody was either singing with Pharrell or Bocelli, but me.

02:18:36.000 I was the only person in that whole event that was singing alone.

02:18:40.000 So I get super nervous.

02:18:41.000 I'm like, why did I end up alone?

02:18:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:18:44.000 I was like, I was like, oh, shit.

02:18:49.000 And Brandon Lake couldn't make it for some reason.

02:18:51.000 I was like, this is bad.

02:18:52.000 I've never been more nervous.

02:18:53.000 I go out for sound check.

02:18:54.000 I'm bawling, crying.

02:18:56.000 And I'm like, dude, this is so crazy.

02:18:58.000 And then I walk out and I'm like, when I go to do it, right before I go out, they come to me and go, hey, Jennifer Hudson's going to come out at the very end and do hallelujah with you or just do hallelujah.

02:19:07.000 You just praise for a minute while she does it.

02:19:09.000 I was like, the Jennifer Hudson?

02:19:11.000 They were like, yeah.

02:19:12.000 I was like, so Jennifer Hudson walks over to me.

02:19:14.000 I love her.

02:19:15.000 She goes, all right, what do you want?

02:19:17.000 She's so sweet.

02:19:18.000 She's like, I'm open for notes.

02:19:19.000 It's one of the greatest female vocalists ever.

02:19:19.000 You got any suggestions?

02:19:21.000 I do not have a suggestion.

02:19:22.000 We'll start there.

02:19:23.000 I am.

02:19:24.000 You have to sing near me.

02:19:24.000 Jennifer, I'm embarrassed.

02:19:27.000 And I'm like, and she goes, and then it hit me and I looked at her and I'll never forget this moment.

02:19:32.000 She goes, what do you think we should do?

02:19:33.000 I said, we give them Jesus.

02:19:35.000 I said, I think that's why I'm here alone.

02:19:38.000 I think, you know, I'm the one that's supposed to bring Jesus here.

02:19:40.000 Like, I know it's a Jesus thing, obviously, but like, we're supposed, this is supposed to be a, she grew up in the South too.

02:19:46.000 She grew up in Chicago.

02:19:46.000 You know, she grew up Midwest.

02:19:47.000 And I go, this is supposed to be the church we grew up in, Jennifer.

02:19:50.000 She was like, that's all I needed to hear.

02:19:53.000 Oh, Joe.

02:19:54.000 Just when I had the best vocal performance of my life, Jennifer Hudson comes out and takes them to church.

02:20:00.000 It's a full praise and worship at that point.

02:20:02.000 Wow.

02:20:03.000 200 choir members, hands up in the sky.

02:20:04.000 We're in front of St. Peter's facility.

02:20:06.000 They're worshiping out there, dude.

02:20:07.000 Hands are in the sky, dude.

02:20:08.000 It was, watch it after the show if you can.

02:20:12.000 It's worth five minutes.

02:20:13.000 It'll make you tear up a little bit, dude.

02:20:15.000 It'll make me tear up right now.

02:20:16.000 It was, oh, dude, it was such a Jesus moment.

02:20:19.000 I even started.

02:20:20.000 I'm looking at the cardinal and I'm going, can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight?

02:20:24.000 Can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight?

02:20:27.000 And I just, you can see the banes in my face, Joe.

02:20:31.000 I don't remember it.

02:20:32.000 I just was just there.

02:20:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:34.000 Like, it's just, wow.

02:20:35.000 I just literally.

02:20:39.000 Look, right then, and this is where Jennifer Hudson's finna come out. 1.00

02:20:43.000 Wow.

02:20:45.000 There's people lined up in the street, too.

02:20:47.000 This is wild.

02:20:48.000 What you don't see is the only reason you don't see people on the side streets is because they finally got rid of them.

02:20:48.000 Oh, dude.

02:20:52.000 When it first opened, there was like all over Rome.

02:20:56.000 You just could not move.

02:20:58.000 Like, like six, seven hundred thousand people were down there trying to see this thing.

02:21:02.000 It was the first time they've ever done live music at the Vatican.

02:21:05.000 That's crazy.

02:21:06.000 I could not believe I got that call, Joe.

02:21:08.000 That's crazy.

02:21:09.000 And then when I got there, I just kept being more confused.

02:21:11.000 I was like, hold on.

02:21:12.000 I'm the only one that's not singing with the two people that put this event together.

02:21:16.000 Literally the only artist because Jennifer Hudson sang with him, Teddy slang with him.

02:21:19.000 I was like, what am I here for?

02:21:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:21:23.000 I just could not figure it out.

02:21:24.000 I never had more imposter syndrome.

02:21:26.000 Wow.

02:21:27.000 And I prayed and I was like, God, I cuss.

02:21:29.000 I smoke.

02:21:31.000 How am I being a vessel here?

02:21:32.000 Like, I don't like.

02:21:34.000 And then that's whenever I was just, I heard it just so clear, like, dude, just open your hands.

02:21:38.000 Just, yeah.

02:21:41.000 Got you.

02:21:42.000 Yeah.

02:21:44.000 I want to play you something.

02:21:46.000 So you remember that Craig Morgan moment where you talked about it when you were on stage at the Opry?

02:21:52.000 Oh, yeah, almost home.

02:21:54.000 It's one of the coolest comments ever.

02:21:54.000 Yeah.

02:21:55.000 Let's play that.

02:21:56.000 I want to play that because we're going to show you something.

02:21:59.000 I'm going to show you something.

02:22:02.000 That was a really powerful moment because you were talking about how you would listen to that song in prison, you know, and how you went to the Opry and you sat there.

02:22:17.000 I think you were in the seventh row.

02:22:19.000 Exactly where I was, six or seventh?

02:22:19.000 Seventh row?

02:22:21.000 I was right back there, stage left.

02:22:23.000 And you talked about it when you were on stage the first time you were ever on stage at the Opry.

02:22:27.000 I want to play that first, and we're going to play something else.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, it's crazy, dude.

02:22:32.000 Do you have it, Jamie?

02:22:33.000 You want me to send it to you?

02:22:36.000 Yo, while you're looking that up, can I do something right quick?

02:22:39.000 Yes, I'm in love.

02:22:40.000 My wife's got a book coming out. 0.95

02:22:42.000 Everybody's called Strip Down.

02:22:43.000 It's coming out in February.

02:22:44.000 She finally wrote her life story.

02:22:45.000 I've never been more proud of a human in my life, y'all.

02:22:47.000 I'm so proud of you.

02:22:48.000 In February, you deserve this, girl.

02:22:50.000 Beautiful.

02:22:51.000 I brought you a copy.

02:22:52.000 It took me 36 years to make it to the stage.

02:22:56.000 Big jelly.

02:22:57.000 500 pounds.

02:22:58.000 Look at Sunday.

02:23:00.000 Yes, sir.

02:23:01.000 my life.

02:23:09.000 We're going to sing y'all some music for the soul from the soul.

02:23:12.000 This song is called Son of a Sinner, Baby.

02:23:14.000 Yes, no!

02:23:15.000 Let's go!

02:23:17.000 You got that plaque?

02:23:31.000 I got these girls to keep me company. 1.00

02:23:34.000 I turn the baby off of this soul cold. 0.53

02:23:37.000 I always need to go.

02:23:43.000 I'm going to be more honest than I probably should be.

02:23:46.000 In 2008, I was incarcerated in a local penitentiary.

02:23:49.000 I had made some horrible decisions.

02:23:52.000 I found strength and music incarcerated.

02:24:25.000 I had a little girl.

02:24:26.000 She's in the crowd tonight.

02:24:27.000 She's now 13 years old.

02:24:29.000 I remember sitting in my jail bunk when I knew she was born and thinking I had to do something to change my life.

02:24:35.000 I came home and I pursued the dream of music by selling mixtapes and t-shirts out of the trunk of my car right here in Nashville, Tennessee.

02:24:46.000 I married my best friend.

02:24:47.000 We have full custody of that 13-year-old now.

02:24:52.000 And in that jail sale, I found strength in country music.

02:24:55.000 I used to listen to Craig Morgan sing Almost Home in my jail cell and think, I'm going to change my life when I get home.

02:25:01.000 I came home and Googled Craig Morgan, live performance, and he was right here at the Grand Ole Opry.

02:25:06.000 I sat right there with that man with the ball cap.

02:25:08.000 And the seventh row back on this row is sitting.

02:25:11.000 No lying, I watched Craig Morgan cry.

02:25:15.000 For those of y'all that don't know, I make music for the broken.

02:25:17.000 I make music for the have-nots and the lost causes in life, the ones that have been through something and overcame it.

02:25:22.000 If you haven't been that person, you know somebody who has, and I represent that person.

02:25:27.000 I want to dedicate this song to everybody who's ever felt worthless and found their way out of that dark place.

02:25:32.000 This record is certified gold.

02:25:34.000 It is called Save Me.

02:25:35.000 Thank you.

02:25:53.000 Somebody saved me for myself.

02:26:02.000 I spent so long living and gay.

02:26:10.000 They saved my lifestyle is bad for my pain.

02:26:20.000 It's the only thing that seems to be all of this drinking and smoking is hopeless, but I feel like it's all that I need.

02:26:37.000 Something inside of me's broken.

02:26:40.000 I hold on to anything that sets me free.

02:26:45.000 I'm a lost cow.

02:26:48.000 Reporter.

02:26:53.000 Brian from Zane's so daring to be kind.

02:26:57.000 Dorfman, baby.

02:27:12.000 What is it like seeing yourself?

02:27:16.000 Dude.

02:27:17.000 What is it like seeing yourself that big and seeing yourself in that huge moment?

02:27:22.000 One, I love you, man.

02:27:23.000 You tricked me again.

02:27:24.000 I thought we were getting off the pod, so I was like, oh, I just want to shout my wife's book out right quick.

02:27:28.000 And then you were showing me video.

02:27:31.000 I'm going to show you something else, too.

02:27:33.000 I didn't think I'd make a joke.

02:27:35.000 I'm going to show you this.

02:27:37.000 My buddy.

02:27:38.000 Give me some volume, Chase.

02:27:39.000 To say congratulations on all the great things happening in your career and to thank you for the positive difference you're making in the lives of so many people who need the help.

02:27:48.000 You're doing great work, buddy.

02:27:49.000 And I'll never forget meeting you on the Grand Old Opry and how much it meant to me to hear you say my music helped you get through some really tough times.

02:27:57.000 That's one thing country music does really well.

02:28:02.000 And who would have ever dreamed back then that I'd be back at the Opry House today to say, Jelly Roll, you're officially invited to become a member of the Grand Ole Opry.

02:28:11.000 It's an honor to say welcome to the family, brother.

02:28:18.000 He wanted to play that for you when you're here.

02:28:22.000 A hook.

02:28:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:28:37.000 I love you, too.

02:28:43.000 I love you too, brother.

02:28:46.000 Hey, Joe, that's like, you don't get no bigger in country music, Bubba.

02:28:51.000 Just make some kiss, Joe.

02:28:52.000 You know what?

02:28:53.000 Fucking Grand Ol Opry Dog?

02:28:55.000 Oh, dude, I used to buy tickets to go there.

02:28:59.000 And I remember Google.

02:29:02.000 Man, I cried a lot on this pod.

02:29:03.000 So fuck.

02:29:05.000 I Googled Craig Morgan.

02:29:06.000 I heard Almost Home in Jail.

02:29:08.000 And you've heard the song, right?

02:29:10.000 It's like the most tear-jerking song about a homeless man.

02:29:14.000 And it just reminded me of jail.

02:29:16.000 No matter where you are, the mind's strong.

02:29:19.000 I came home and it song meant so much.

02:29:21.000 I was like, Craig Morgan Live.

02:29:22.000 It's like Grand Old Opry House.

02:29:23.000 And I was like, I'll go.

02:29:24.000 Could barely afford tickets.

02:29:26.000 I think I talked some girl about them for me.

02:29:28.000 I went and sat by myself.

02:29:29.000 I had an ankle bracelet on.

02:29:30.000 So the show went off at nine.

02:29:32.000 So I was like, if he's the last one, I'm screwed.

02:29:32.000 I had to be home at nine.

02:29:35.000 And he comes out and sings almost home.

02:29:38.000 And I had to, I'm not bullshitting.

02:29:40.000 I'd maybe cried 10 times in my life at that point.

02:29:44.000 And I cried.

02:29:47.000 I cried.

02:29:48.000 I cried like I'm crying here now.

02:29:51.000 And I just remember thinking, man, I want to make people.

02:29:58.000 I can't believe I made me a member of the Hopper Dog.

02:30:02.000 I want to make people feel the way he makes me feel.

02:30:05.000 That's what I want to do.

02:30:07.000 Well, you've done that, man.

02:30:10.000 You've done it, brother.

02:30:11.000 But did it, Joe?

02:30:13.000 Man, that's crazy, Joe.

02:30:15.000 Oh, dude.

02:30:16.000 Fuck.

02:30:18.000 Oh, dude, I bet I'm the first person ever got invited to the Grand O'Area on a podcast.

02:30:22.000 That's awesome.

02:30:24.000 Oh, sorry.

02:30:24.000 Let's see what we're for a second.

02:30:25.000 I just, I'm figuring out.

02:30:28.000 You did it, brother.

02:30:29.000 Dude, that uh you did what you wanted to do.

02:30:33.000 That feeling that he gave you, you've given to many, many people.

02:30:39.000 It's an incredible gift.

02:30:42.000 You know, there's so few people in life that have touched people the way you've touched people.

02:30:49.000 Thank you, Joe, man.

02:30:50.000 It was just what a dream, dude.

02:30:53.000 I used to, I used to write on my vision board when my wife first got together that your podcast was the number one thing I wanted to do every year.

02:31:00.000 Because I always felt like I'd have a Joe Dirt moment on here, you know?

02:31:03.000 I always felt like somewhere I'd be sitting here telling my story and the world would be tuning in, you know?

02:31:08.000 And it'd be fucked the fact that I'm on your podcast. 0.88

02:31:10.000 In fact, you're my friend, dude.

02:31:12.000 I love you, brother.

02:31:13.000 I love you, brother.

02:31:14.000 Of course, thanks for letting me on the podcast.

02:31:14.000 Thank you, man.

02:31:16.000 But I just never thought this was a journey, dude.

02:31:18.000 I thought I'd die young or I thought I'd kill myself.

02:31:21.000 I didn't think I was going to be able to figure it out.

02:31:24.000 You figured it out and you're figuring it out more every day.

02:31:26.000 Every day, brother.

02:31:27.000 And I think through that, other people are as well.

02:31:30.000 I hope so.

02:31:31.000 They're figuring out their life.

02:31:32.000 For sure.

02:31:33.000 Just through your songs, through your words, through your acts, through your deeds, through your life, through the way you've chosen this new path.

02:31:41.000 For sure.

02:31:42.000 For sure.

02:31:43.000 You're changing people's lives.

02:31:45.000 I hope, man.

02:31:46.000 You are.

02:31:46.000 You are changing people's lives.

02:31:48.000 I will tell you 100%, without doubt, you are changing people's lives and you're enriching people's lives by being you, by being a real person going through a real life moment.

02:32:00.000 Yeah.

02:32:01.000 You know, and doing it the right way.

02:32:03.000 Yes, sir.

02:32:04.000 Yeah.

02:32:04.000 Slow.

02:32:05.000 It's not easy.

02:32:06.000 No, it doesn't have to be easy.

02:32:08.000 Telling the truth ain't always fun.

02:32:09.000 No, no, no, no.

02:32:10.000 It's not supposed to be easy.

02:32:12.000 If it was easy, it wouldn't be so fun.

02:32:14.000 Gratifying, though, dude.

02:32:17.000 God, Joe, man, a member of the Grand Old Offrey, dog.

02:32:20.000 My name on the sheet, Bubba.

02:32:22.000 When you come in the back of the Grand Old Opry, they have them all.

02:32:25.000 And I'm shaking, Joe.

02:32:26.000 Like when that deer was in a stand.

02:32:29.000 They have these plaques that they put the name on.

02:32:31.000 And the first wall has only got two rows left of plaques.

02:32:34.000 Wow.

02:32:35.000 I played there a couple months ago.

02:32:36.000 And I remember looking, going, thinking to myself, this negative guy in me was like, fuck, I'm going to be on the new wall.

02:32:42.000 If I ever make it, it won't be on this one.

02:32:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:46.000 You know, it's just like, even then I was having a moment where I was like, if they ever actually, you know, I never thought I, like, when Jordan and Jen invited me to the Grand Old Opry, I never thought that would happen.

02:32:56.000 I never thought that I'd be allowed to play the Grand Old Opry.

02:32:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:00.000 Yeah.

02:33:00.000 And then to be a member of it, and I'll never forget watching Luke Combs when they asked him to be a member.

02:33:04.000 And just like, I think it's the first time I ever seen Luke emotional, you know?

02:33:09.000 And I just remember being like, nah, it'll never happen.

02:33:12.000 Just like I remember looking at Cam, like, I'll never be able to run a 5K, or you know what I mean?

02:33:15.000 Like, man, I don't know what can happen, dude, man.

02:33:18.000 If God gets involved, you have a little humility, I think Nebraska can work itself out, Joe.

02:33:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:23.000 Amazing things can happen if you live your life true.

02:33:26.000 Ooh.

02:33:29.000 Ooh, baby.

02:33:30.000 Amazing things can happen if you live your life true.

02:33:34.000 Well, I know you don't leave Texas much, but you're going to come see me at the Opry sometime now?

02:33:37.000 Fuck it.

02:33:38.000 100%.

02:33:40.000 You got to come see me now that I'm a member, dude.

02:33:42.000 I'm going to go to the next one.

02:33:42.000 You're going to close the show.

02:33:43.000 100%.

02:33:44.000 I get to send my mail there now, too.

02:33:46.000 Wow.

02:33:46.000 Legally.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, dude.

02:33:47.000 It's crazy, dude.

02:33:48.000 Like all the OGs got their mail there, Johnny and him.

02:33:51.000 Wow.

02:33:52.000 It was like really, really cool.

02:33:53.000 It's like a super legend there.

02:33:54.000 That's cool.

02:33:56.000 Somebody wants to write me a letter, send it to the Grand Ol Opry.

02:34:01.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:03.000 Oh, dude.

02:34:04.000 that's incredible oh that's man that's i didn't even dream of it i got him got him got him God will make things bigger than your dreams.

02:34:14.000 Somebody out there right now is dreaming of something and it's too small.

02:34:17.000 Dream bigger, baby.

02:34:19.000 Dream bigger, baby.

02:34:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:21.000 That's it.

02:34:24.000 Let's wrap it up.

02:34:25.000 That was perfect way to end this.

02:34:27.000 I love you, brother.

02:34:28.000 Thank you, brother.

02:34:29.000 It's been amazing.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 10, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2424 - Jelly Roll

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