On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, we discuss the day that the truth about UFOs and ET's was finally made public. Today is the 25th anniversary of the release of the declassification of the documents and theories that have been kept from the public for decades.
00:00:50.000Because there hasn't really been disclosure.
00:00:51.000No, but it has to be a slow process, too, right?
00:00:54.000think so i don't think i mean the whole idea is that they're just sort of normalizing it right Neuro-linguistic programming, they call it, where you're slowly getting people accustomed to these ideas.
00:01:06.000Like the aspects of close encounters, for instance, where you have the radiation burns on the guy's face, you have a time travel component where these World War II soldiers get out of the craft with the little beans and the bigger being.
00:01:20.000And I mean, just seeding our culture with those little bits of information that might help later on down the bus.
00:01:54.000But it does make sense that if there is this thing that they know about that we're supposed to know about, leak it out, do it slowly, get in our culture, get it in our media in different ways.
00:02:05.000You know the Hal putoff story, right, with George Bush?
00:02:08.000Do you know the story where they were talking about, okay, Hal talked about it on my podcast, but he also talked about it in the Age of Disclosure documentary where they brought in him and a bunch of different prominent thinkers.
00:02:20.000Yeah, I watched that episode and I watched the Daco.
00:02:23.000So to people that don't know, I'll just explain it.
00:02:25.000So they brought in him and a bunch of other prominent thinkers and they had, they sat them down and said, essentially, we have recovered crashed UFOs.
00:02:35.000We have biological remains of these creatures.
00:02:39.000We are considering releasing it to the public and we want to make an assessment of what are the pros and what are the cons.
00:02:45.000So we want to assign a numerical value that you're estimating what kind of an impact it would be on government, finances, religion, et cetera.
00:02:57.000Well, whether they should do it, basically whether or not they should release this information.
00:03:00.000And all of the people that were brought in came to the agreement that there was more con than there were pro, and that formed their decision to not release it.
00:04:31.000One of the things that happened after September 11th was it was a horrible tragedy, but there was a beautiful result temporarily where everybody was really united, like really united.
00:04:43.000Like there was American flags and everybody's car in Los Angeles.
00:04:46.000You know, like the most ridiculous, progressive, sort of kind of, you know, kind of fucked up place.
00:05:09.000And not to get too weird too fast here, but if there are aspects of sort of an all-encompassing consciousness that unites us associated with the UFO phenomenon too, if we recognize that we are just fingerprints on the same hand, we're all iterations of the same overarching consciousness, if seemingly there is a part of that in the UFO phenomenon.
00:06:46.000And then it reveals all the problems that come along with that.
00:06:48.000Yeah, I'm going to have to watch that as a counterpoint, if anything else, because it makes sense to me that if everyone's kind of united as one super organism of sorts, but you lose all individuality.
00:07:02.000You lose all the fun parts about being an imperfect person.
00:09:26.000Yeah, so a lot of times on islands, you get like really strange characteristics of people because of the isolation.
00:09:33.000And those characteristics get selected just through genetic drift alone because it's a small population.
00:09:38.000So just probably one person had this really weird trait where they're insensitive to dihydrotestosterone and then it spread throughout more of the population.
00:11:36.000I mean, historically, prehistorically, evolutionarily, I should say, if you did have something like that and you were a hunter-gatherer, you're kind of boned.
00:11:44.000You know, you're not going to be able to run after gazelles.
00:12:03.000Because what it's saying is that their bones are fused.
00:12:06.000If you scroll up, it'll say the condition affecting ostrich-footed tribe, a genetic mutation passed down through generations causes the bones in the feet to fuse, resulting in a claw-like structure with two large toes.
00:14:04.000Like, I did actually used to do a lot of what I thought was cool stuff.
00:14:08.000But no, the main thing is that I've become known for advocating for this idea that UFOs and the aliens are actually our time-traveling future human descendants.
00:14:22.000I wouldn't even say as opposed to extraterrestrials because I do think that's a component too.
00:14:36.000But my background, and the reason I approach this question this way is because there's a lot of characteristics of these aliens that look so hominin.
00:15:08.000And the concept of just if you just think about ancient man, I was watching this documentary on Neanderthals last night about this one intact Neanderthal skeleton that they found that was, it had sort of been, he had died in a cave and, you know, the stalact mites, his stalactites were mites.
00:15:46.000But it was just documenting how strange this body was that they had found, but it was immensely strong, like much stronger than us.
00:15:55.000One of the interesting things was that their visual cortex, the part of the brain that would process imagery, was larger than ours, 10 to 20% larger.
00:16:51.000There's an offshoot in our hominin lineage called the Paranthropus or Robust Australopithecines, and they had a full-on like gorilla style.
00:17:53.000And from that point on, like, I got to work at a place called Che Pinot Jonesac in southern France for a summer, and it was a Neanderthal site.
00:18:03.000Actually, it's pretty funny because when we first got there, these tools called MTA hand axes, Musterian of those Schulian tradition hand axes.
00:18:10.000There were only eight found in all of Europe.
00:18:13.000And they said, if you guys find one of these, we'll buy you all the beer and all the cognac you can drink.
00:18:18.000So we're in the cognac region of France.
00:18:20.000And we found one like the fourth or fifth day.
00:18:23.000We went on to find seven more over the course of that week.
00:18:26.000We doubled the number of these things in existence in all of Europe.
00:19:08.000The holidays come with a lot of traditions, gathering with family, cooking those once a year recipes and leaning into the little rituals that bring everyone together.
00:19:17.000That's something I always look forward to.
00:19:19.000But there's another tradition I think we should all start doing during the holidays, and that's taking some time for ourselves.
00:19:26.000This season, you do so many things for the other people in your life.
00:19:29.000You plan get-togethers around everyone's schedule.
00:19:32.000You spend hours picking out the right gifts and cooking the right food, but you also deserve just as much attention.
00:20:32.000And we're the most feeble versions of people that have existed within the last century, right?
00:20:37.000Like, if you go back to humans from the 1920s versus humans from the 2020s, people have way less testosterone now, way higher instances of miscarriages, way lower sperm count.
00:20:49.000You know, there's a lot of factors that are at play right now that are changing what a human is.
00:20:56.000And if you extrapolate, if you look at the future, you would naturally say, well, we're probably going to be very thin.
00:21:02.000It seems like there's at least some sort of a push to eliminate gender.
00:21:08.000Like gender seems like it's on the table, is whether or not it's even necessary.
00:21:12.000There's all sorts of new technological innovations that are leading to the possibility, at least sometime in the future, of an artificial womb.
00:21:23.000There's genetic engineering with CRISPR and a lot of other different technologies that are being explored that we might be able to engineer human beings and then even create a complete individual human being without a mother, without a father.
00:21:40.000So if you thought about what that looks like in the future, look, one of our problems on this planet is we all have different ideologies, different religions, come from different parts of the world.
00:22:02.000But if everybody's exactly the same and we share one mind, you know, then a lot of our problems go away.
00:22:08.000If we no longer have to compete for resources, we no longer have the desire to procreate and to acquire land and to be, you know, to have a territory, we eliminate a lot of our issues.
00:22:25.000And that's what these things look like.
00:22:27.000When you look at the archetypal, these iconic sort of shapes that have been on cave walls all the way up to close encounters with the third kind.
00:22:37.000One thing they share is that they have no muscle, they have large heads, they have big eyes.
00:22:45.000Yeah, you just tied together like a lot of really important points related to this theory: aspects of why they're always interested in our gametes.
00:22:56.000Why they come back and put that little machine on a man to collect semen, why they're constantly taking eggs from females and planting fetuses, pulling them back out later.
00:23:06.000Like they're clearly focused on reproduction, gamete extraction.
00:23:11.000And one of the things that might be fueling that in the future, if these are future humans, let's just assume for a second, hypothetically, is that they might be having problems directly resulting from these trends toward self-domestication, these trends toward feminization, these trends toward reduced sperm counts, which is 60% across most populations of the world, the industrialized world, 50% across the entire world.
00:23:37.000Yeah, problems with reproduction, in vitro fertilization, exogenesis chambers might help solve some of those problems, growing the fetus outside of the body.
00:23:47.000So yeah, and like you said, you know, what do they look like?
00:23:51.000They look like kind of a hybrid between males and females to some extent, but there's still an essence of gender.
00:24:00.000Like if you talk to Whitley Streeber, you know, he's with this being, he says in communion that I had a sense that she was a woman.
00:24:08.000So it's almost like the essence of the individual, the soul of the individual, still retains that sort of gender identity, even though our bodies are becoming more childlike, more gender indiscriminate.
00:24:39.000You know, unfortunately, for any sort of spectacular public thing that's in the zeitgeist, like alien abduction, whether it's Whitley Streeber from Communion or the John Mack books, the guy from Harvard that wrote, what was it, Abduction?
00:24:58.000Passport to the Cosmos and Abduction, yeah.
00:25:24.000And I mean, they aren't human, but they're very human too.
00:25:29.000So for instance, like that's one of the main reasons I started exploring this.
00:25:32.000I was actually kind of put into this when I was eight or nine years old, sort of activated in a way and put on this path by a weird thing that happened to me.
00:25:43.000Well, so I talk about it in my first two books, Identified Flying Objects and the Extra-Tempestrial Model, where I learned about a close encounter that my dad had.
00:25:53.000He was a veterinarian in Northeast Ohio where I grew up.
00:25:56.000And he was out one night on a call with another guy.
00:26:14.000And all of a sudden, this bright light darts toward them, hovers just above their truck, darts back to where it was, and then straight up into space, like at incredible speed.
00:26:24.000So this happened before I was born, but I overheard him telling a story to some friends one night.
00:26:29.000He got Whitley Streeber's book, Communion, as most people did in the 1980s, and as they should, because it's a great book.
00:26:37.000The book is sitting on a shelf facing out.
00:26:40.000And I remember, like, it was yesterday.
00:26:42.000I sort of stopped, and there was like this light, like a white light.
00:26:46.000And then I saw this image in my mind of like an early hominin chimpanzee-like creature, a modern human, and then that archetypal gray alien from the cover with this information.
00:27:20.000So it was like the, you come in the front door and just to the left, there's this living room, built-in bookshelf, Whitley's books right there.
00:27:27.000I just turned the corner, saw it, and then like, just kind of, it just came.
00:27:32.000Like, I didn't know shit about evolutionary biology.
00:29:31.000And that was your question is how do I differentiate among these different cases?
00:29:38.000I do draw from Heynek's in his book, The UFO Experience, he lists out how we all should approach this based on the reliability scale and the strangeness scale.
00:29:50.000Jacques Valley also drew from that, helped him develop it as part of the Invisible College and all of his work.
00:29:56.000But regardless of my own personal discernment, because my second book, The Extra Tempestrio Model, is about 30 case studies, 15 main case studies, but then I pull in other ones.
00:30:08.000And it explores the different theories.
00:30:10.000Obviously, the main one being this extra tempestrial idea, this future, which, by the way, I saw the word of the day today was anachronistic.
00:30:18.000And I was like, man, that would have been a way better word than extra tempestrio, which everybody struggles with.
00:30:31.000Anyway, but so one of the most commonly reported things across all cases, regardless of whether you think it's bullshit or you think this definitely happened, is they really want our sperm.
00:30:43.000They really need or want our reproductive material, our gametes.
00:30:48.000And it's funny because when I wrote my first book in 20, I started in 2012, published it in 2019, right at the end, I did an interview, and somebody's like, have you heard of Jim Penniston?
00:30:58.000I'm like, no, which is kind of a failing on my behalf.
00:31:20.000We're having problems with reproduction and we need this genetic material to help ourselves.
00:31:25.000A lot of people are like, well, why are they coming back and doing stuff to us?
00:31:29.000I think they're coming back and getting stuff from us because of problems they're having, largely related to what you were talking about earlier with the reduced sperm counts, the problems with female infertility.
00:31:40.000What if we do try to create the perfect human specimen or we try to cure these genetic diseases through genetic manipulation, CRISPR, and we screw something up?
00:31:54.000We can't go and sample gametes from these other places.
00:31:56.000We might have to go into our past to get those wild-type, unmanipulated gametes in order to fix these problems.
00:32:06.000God, that's a crazy level of technological sophistication, the ability to venture back in time and somehow or another not fuck up the timeline that's leading to, I mean, this is the problem that's always been theorized about time travel.
00:32:22.000Anything that you do, if you went back in time, any interactions, you would completely change how the future would play out.
00:32:47.000But what most physicists don't agree on many things, but most agree that we live in what's called a block universe, landscape time, block time, where if you imagine all moments from the very beginning of the Big Bang to the end of the universe, where all matter appears into like a black hole or contracts or whatever it does, all moments are already there.
00:33:10.000They exist as this massive four-dimensional block of all moments, all whirlmons, everything.
00:33:16.000So you go back into the past as you perceive it.
00:33:20.000You can walk around, step on butterflies, slap people on the face, kick over dinosaurs or whatever.
00:33:27.000I don't think we can go back that far, but you could do anything you want, and it doesn't change anything because you're going back in the block universe and doing those things you were always already going to do.
00:33:37.000And when you get home, everything's the same because that was already their past.
00:33:41.000To everybody that stayed behind, that was already their past.
00:33:44.000It was only the future for you to go back and do those things that you were already going to do.
00:33:48.000And then you just went and did them, get home, everything's the same because you were always going to do those things in the first place.
00:34:30.000I shouldn't say they all agree because there is the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics where if you went back in that situation, it would be change.
00:34:47.000There's more paradoxes with changing things than not changing things.
00:34:50.000Why do you confidently state that you don't think that they can go back to the dinosaur age?
00:34:56.000Partly because three different reasons.
00:35:01.000One, I think they need tremendously high speed in order to be able to go back into the past.
00:35:08.000So basically, again, working from all I can work from in this time with the limited primitive primate knowledge that I have in the year 2012 to 2025, I basically just started with Einstein's theory of relativity, which he published in 1905 on the electrodynamics of moving bodies.
00:35:29.000And then in 1915, he published his paper on general relativity.
00:35:32.000From that point on, almost instantly, there were solutions to his field equations that showed with the right parameters of a massively highly energetic rotating ring or sphere or disk that you could create closed time-like curves, that you could actually orient light cones back toward the past so you can physically go into the past.
00:35:53.000We saw this with Lens and Thuring in like 1917 and 18.
00:36:37.000So anyway, you know, if you look at the history of how we understand backward time travel, what I think they're doing is that I think they're combining general relativity and special relativity.
00:36:48.000So I think they're orienting the light cones toward the past by rotating these things really, really fast.
00:36:54.000They power up, they're spinning, or at least there's some sort of flywheel on the outside that's spinning.
00:37:00.000I think that's what's allowing them to move toward the past, and then they take off.
00:37:05.000So it's that high speed that I think allows them to go further into the past.
00:37:08.000So they're using, you're aware of the twins paradox, I'm sure.
00:37:13.000Time delation, where you have two twins, they're the same age, and then one goes into a spaceship, they move at tremendously high speed, they come back, and they're much younger than their twin because time moved faster back on Earth.
00:37:24.000I think they're using that high-speed motion while light cones are oriented toward the past in order to travel deeper into the past through that process of time dilation.
00:37:35.000There are limits to how fast we can go.
00:37:38.000Einstein was very adamant about this because there's an increase in inertial forces the faster you go relative to the speed of light.
00:37:46.000That's why he thought we could never go.
00:37:48.000That's why he thought that anything with mass could never go faster than the speed of light.
00:37:54.000Light can do it because it's a wave or a particle or both.
00:37:58.000So I think there's a limit to how fast we can go.
00:38:01.000The other reason is because Jim Penniston in this hypnotic regression said that.
00:38:06.000He's like, we can only go 40 to 60,000 years into the past or we might not get back.
00:38:11.000You also have, and this is a more speculative one, so take it for what it's worth.
00:38:17.000You also have the Dan Burrish testimony of this J-rod, this allegedly captured alien, who said, we're from the future.
00:38:25.000We are you from the future, and we're from about 55 to 60,000 years in your future.
00:38:31.000So those three things together are why I don't think we could go back 65 million years to hunt dinosaurs, which actually would be kind of fun.
00:38:39.000When you're talking about going the speed of light, you're talking about not traditional propulsion, but some form of propulsion that allows you to go at insane speeds.
00:38:49.000Yeah, electromagnetic is what it seems to be.
00:38:52.000And importantly, the electromagnetic force is 10 to the 40 times more powerful than gravity.
00:38:59.000So not only do I think that's what they use to fly, I think that's what they use to manipulate space-time.
00:39:04.000Actually, and Dan Burrish is, not Dan Burrish, Dan Farah, I think you just had him on too, the Age of Disclosure.
00:39:11.000There's this really cool thing at the end where Hal Putoff and I think Eric Davis as well, we're talking about this space-time bubble, right?
00:39:23.000But I don't want to jump around too much because I'll lose people and myself probably.
00:39:28.000But this space-time bubble that they form around the craft, I think, is also indicative of the fact that they're manipulating space-time, that they're traveling in and out of time.
00:39:40.000They manipulate the rate at which they move relative to us in their frame of reference.
00:39:45.000And they're moving fast all around us.
00:39:48.000And they've slowed time down outside of that bubble.
00:39:50.000So everything is really, really slow to them.
00:39:53.000And they can easily evade our bullets and our missiles.
00:39:55.000But we don't see them because we don't have that frame rate of perception.
00:39:59.000And if you slow videos down, I'm sure you've seen these all the time, where there's like a, and then you slow it down and you can see this saucer-shaped craft moving slowly across the sky once you slow down the frame rate.
00:40:11.000But a really funny thing happened because I've never actually talked about this with anyone before.
00:40:18.000I owe a lot of the fact that anybody even knows who I am to Hal Putoff.
00:40:24.000He, when I first started talking about this publicly in 2018, and then I published my book in 2019, Identified Flying Objects, he, I guess, reached out to the head of MUFON at the time, who was putting together the 50th anniversary MUFON event, and was like, hey, you should have this Mike Masters guy come talk.
00:40:45.000And I found that out from the head of MUFON.
00:40:48.000He's like, hey, just so you know, Hal Putoff, of all people, recommended I contact you.
00:41:12.000And we talked and we've done stuff together.
00:41:15.000But what was cool is that at the end of that Age of Disclosure film, when he's talking about the space-time bubble, I thought back to after my first book came out, and I was contacted by someone who claimed to be an ex-intelligence person who explained that exact same thing to me back in 2019, that these things aren't doing 10,000 G maneuvers that would crush anything inside to them.
00:41:41.000In their frame of reference, what they feel is completely different than what we see.
00:41:46.000Because in that space-time bubble, they can be moving at 50,000 miles an hour, do a right-hand turn, and it would splatter anything inside because of the G-forces.
00:42:38.000I was like, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
00:42:42.000They're manipulating the rate at which time passes in this bubble around the craft.
00:42:46.000And we see something completely different.
00:42:48.000So when we're seeing this, we are imagining what we can do.
00:42:54.000And we're sort of saying, well, what would be an advanced version of what we can do?
00:42:58.000And what this technology is, is something that's levels of magnitude beyond even our theoretical, like any sort of idea that we have currently about, you know, potential future timelines of technology.
00:43:58.000I think David Grush said that too, didn't he?
00:44:00.000i believe he did yeah and even you know lazar when when he was talking about it he you know he had a sports model Wasn't that fully intact, too?
00:45:13.000So he's working on this thing, not making much headway at all.
00:45:17.000They understood that there was an element, Element 115, that was not even on the periodic table.
00:45:23.000Eventually found to actually be a thing by the Large Hadron Collider.
00:45:30.000But even then, they only measured it for a millisecond, right?
00:45:34.000So then he's saying that they have this stable version of this element, and you bombard it with radiation, creates this sort of gravity drive.
00:45:43.000He's working on this thing, and it's all top secret, so he cannot tell his wife.
00:45:47.000So they're calling him up at 10 o'clock, like, hey, get to the airplane, the airport.
00:46:08.000When you have that kind of clearance, they are monitoring everything.
00:46:11.000They're monitoring all your phone calls.
00:46:14.000So they've realized that his wife is having an affair, and they think that he will be emotionally unstable, and it's too dangerous to have him working on this insanely top-secret information if he's not stable.
00:46:25.000So they tell him, you know, we're going to at least temporarily relieve you of your duties.
00:46:31.000So he's freaked out and he tells his friends, like, hey, this is what they're doing there.
00:46:37.000They have these things, and they fly them every Wednesday.
00:47:02.000And I think, and it's still happening.
00:47:05.000You know, there's still these whistleblowers.
00:47:07.000He says they used to fly them, and you could go watch them fly these things.
00:47:11.000And they were moving in these really weird ways across the sky that you cannot do with conventional aircraft, that they only sort of understood how to like pick it up and put it down.
00:47:20.000They didn't understand how to really as a kid, I've been obviously been into this for a long time.
00:47:27.000I remember as a kid seeing videos of people going out and then they eventually closed it down.
00:48:29.000Jamie and I were talking beforehand about the stovepiping, too, and all the stovepiping?
00:48:33.000Yeah, the different ways that they compartmentalize what they're doing.
00:48:36.000And they talked about it in Age of Disclosure, too.
00:48:38.000That's a big problem because certain people are working on these parts of the craft to reverse engineer them to understand them, but they don't have the whole picture.
00:48:47.000Lazar was talking about that from the 1980s.
00:48:50.000In 1989, he said the people that are working on metallurgy were not in contact with the people that are working on propulsion.
00:48:57.000And he's like, science cannot operate like that.
00:49:28.000And the argument they made in this docko is that we're putting ourselves at a disadvantage because other countries have probably retrieved these things too.
00:49:37.000And they might be working on it, yes, in secrecy.
00:49:39.000But if people are working together and not stovepiping this thing ad infinitum, then they might be able to actually make more progress faster than us.
00:49:48.000So part of the disclosure push is to be like, yeah, these things are real.
00:50:42.000And I had these artists design a poster in Norway and the UK and just this crazy, like, I was like, how conservative should I be with this?
00:51:27.000I have read enough accounts in researching this.
00:51:32.000And from people that I know, I mean, starting from when I was a kid, hearing my biological father's account, you know, the way he told it.
00:51:41.000And then I interviewed him again in college to try to get more information because I was just over hearing from the stairs and I was supposed to be in bed.
00:53:17.000Because I believe the people who say the same thing over and over.
00:53:21.000There's patterns that we can extract from people's testaments who have had these close encounters.
00:53:26.000And that's one unfortunate thing that's happening right now is we're talking about the pilots, talking about police.
00:53:31.000But people have been seeing these forever, but they did such a good job manufacturing the stigma around it with Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book to discount these people, to make them seem insane.
00:53:43.000That is one of the main points of evidence that I would point to that there is something.
00:53:48.000When people think there isn't something, I'm just like, you should really pay attention to what they were trying to do during Project Blue Book.
00:55:22.000Like the stated mission of Project Grudge was to debunk these things, come up with conventional explanations, and make people seem like idiots.
00:56:48.000And then from then on, it's been this trickle.
00:56:51.000These guys like Ryan Graves and guys like David Favor.
00:56:56.000These David Favor's guys that was, you know, he was in a fighter jet, saw this thing move from 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in less than a second.
00:58:03.000I kind of wonder if the Tic Tac, because it is somewhat anomalous in the context of a lot of things in the UFO lore as far as spinning discs or big triangular craft.
00:58:13.000This one kind of seems like one of ours.
00:58:15.000Well, it is odd that these things happen where there's a lot of military training exercises.
00:58:20.000Like this one was off the coast of San Diego.
00:58:50.000And why not see what is detectable and what's not?
00:58:54.000You know, Ryan Graves talked about how in 2014 they upgraded all the sensors and the jets, and then all of a sudden they started picking these things up all over the place.
00:59:02.000He said they were encountering them virtually every time they went out, which is so weird.
00:59:06.000Imagine you're encountering, was it a circle inside of a sphere or a sphere inside of a space?
01:00:02.000A recent article about the Hill has highlighted the reports of a cube and a sphere UAP military pilots have been seeing as reported by Graves, where he once again highlights how often our pilots are seeing these things and why he doesn't believe they are conventional drones or balloons.
01:00:15.000And so this is obviously some sort of a computer-generated rendition.
01:00:30.000So a month ago, I did a deep dive in a post about UFO patents, how magneto-hydrodynamic propulsion systems could explain some of the observations, includes an expired patent for the 1960s and a few newer patents describing not only the propulsion, but how the plasma field can make the craft invisible to radar.
01:01:02.000They wouldn't necessarily look like the craft that we struggled to fly at Groom Lake that we could go up and down with, and that's about it.
01:01:08.000Like, they would look like this little thing that's simple.
01:01:11.000It's basically a propane tank, or it's a cube within a sphere.
01:01:22.000You know, what if there was a mid-air collision?
01:01:24.000If they are actually manipulating space-time and these things, like they seemingly are with the saucer-shaped craft, you don't have to worry about that.
01:01:31.000You know, this isn't a cat and mouse game where the cat and mouse are equal.
01:01:36.000Like, you have complete control of space-time in and around that area.
01:01:53.000And to kind of extend it into my area of research, if you can manipulate space and time in and around this craft, what's keeping you from using that to travel through time?
01:02:17.000The idea that they would be so advanced that they could genetically engineer a body and get to whatever state they are at where they communicate telepathically, but yet they can't solve the problem of old DNA.
01:02:39.000What are they trying to get out of us?
01:02:40.000Are they trying to get the source, source material instead of the old stuff or instead of the stuff that they've had forever?
01:02:47.000One of the arguments I made in my first and second books is that really since European colonialism starting about 500 years ago, we are all becoming one interbreeding population.
01:02:59.000So it used to be that you had different isolated populations and then occasionally there would be gene flow that introduces new genes.
01:03:06.000If we all are just one population on this inbred island of Earth, where are you going to get new gene variants?
01:03:13.000And then you combine that with the things we just talked about, with the potential for things to go wrong with trying to make designer babies or the trends toward reduced fertility in men and women.
01:03:25.000And importantly, the potential that there could be some massive cataclysm that puts us into a huge bottleneck where there just is no genetic diversity at all.
01:03:36.000Like if you think about something that happened that wiped out a huge percentage of the population, and there are warnings about this over and over again with experiencers and contactees, they're like, there's some cataclysmic thing coming.
01:03:48.000If that were to happen, all of those problems we're already having, all of the trends that are already leading to us having problems with fertility in the future would be hugely exacerbated by a very limited gene pool.
01:04:00.000Well, we know that human beings have gotten down to a very small population in the past.
01:04:06.000So we're already kind of limited in our diversity.
01:04:10.000What do you think of the theory that human beings have been genetically engineered?
01:04:16.000Man, when I first started in all this, I wouldn't touch that one because I had to impose some restrictions on myself so I didn't seem like a crazy person.
01:04:46.000I went to the chair of my department and was like, hey, just so, you know, in case there's any pushback, I'm publishing this book about whether, you know, UFOs are future humans.
01:04:55.000And he looked at me and cocked his head.
01:05:12.000But I was really conservative in this approach.
01:05:15.000Like, the dean, actually, of my college, who gave me an award for scholarship and researchers, and there's a lot of amazing researchers at Montana Technological University.
01:05:24.000Like, we're very well known for research and scholarship.
01:05:27.000She gave me an award in 2022 for research and scholarship.
01:05:31.000And all I was doing at that point was UFO stuff.
01:05:50.000But I needed to do that because of the stigma, because of the shame.
01:05:55.000And you're right, it is changing, which is great.
01:05:58.000But there are certain things that we still can't, that are hard for me to talk about because it starts to get into ancient aliens territory.
01:07:26.000Like with humans, you get seven foot tall people and five foot tall people and round people and thin people.
01:07:32.000We are actually all very similar genetically.
01:07:35.000There's a study done in the 70s looking at polymorphisms and they found that between like what it used to be thought there were races like Africans, Asians, and Europeans.
01:07:47.000They didn't consider Native Americans or Australians or anybody.
01:07:51.000But they did this study on polymorphisms, found that only about six to seven percent of our all of our genetic differences can be accounted for by those between group differences.
01:08:01.000And they did the same thing with Y chromosomes.
01:08:03.000They did the same thing with craniofacial anatomy and found that we're all very similar.
01:08:07.000So despite those differences in height, weight, skin color, hair color, eye color, we're very, very similar, which could again lead to problems related to genetic homogenization, limited gene pool in the future, needing to go back and sample gametes from the past.
01:08:23.000Another argument I hear people make related to what you're saying, like an argument for potential genetic manipulation of the human species over time, is that it all happened really fast.
01:08:35.000We see this acceleration in our rate of change, the rate of our technological development.
01:08:40.000Those things might indicate that there's some sort of seeding in the past with not just technology, but the genetics that allow us to expand our minds and develop these things.
01:08:51.000Well, then there's the weird stories from ancient scripts, ancient texts like the Book of Enoch.
01:08:59.000Like, that's some weird stuff where it talks about the watchers coming down from the sky and mating with humans and creating the Nephilim who destroy everything.
01:09:09.000Yeah, I might get some shit for this, but I would be willing to bet that all major religions and the little ones have some sort of UFO alien component to the myth and legend that gave rise to them over time.
01:09:26.000Actually, the third book I wrote, Revelation, flips the whole script on Revelation, and it interjects time travelers.
01:09:34.000It interjects this whole—for a while, there was this question of whether there was a fight over the timeline, whether the greys were coming back because some cataclysm needed to happen and we all went underground.
01:09:48.000And that's why we have big eyes and pale skin because we had to evolve underground for a while.
01:09:52.000And then another group trying to keep that from happening.
01:09:55.000So the book kind of explores that in a fictional capacity.
01:09:58.000And I wrote it because my friends weren't reading my science books because they're dense and scientific.
01:10:04.000And I was like, man, you know, what if I wrote a book that's just like a crass sex drug-fueled exploration of like this time travel idea?
01:10:55.000You know, because I wanted people that don't read the science books to still be introduced to this concept and the science behind it in a different way.
01:11:02.000And man, it was so much more fun to write than those science books.
01:11:06.000What do you think of when people start theorizing about some sort of a breakaway civilization that lives under the ocean?
01:12:00.000You guys pulled it up on your screen and you're like, man, these Harvard researchers must have snuck in where they're doing the psilocybin experiments and ate all the mushrooms.
01:13:06.000And it would make sense if you were in the future, instead of jumping back through time in order to study people in a specific time, you set up a base on the far side of the moon, where up until the 60s, 70s, we wouldn't know they were there.
01:13:20.000And this would go for the extraterrestrial idea, too.
01:13:23.000Instead of traversing the vast swaths of space, come here, set up under the oceans where we're not going to find you, Antarctica, far side of the moon.
01:13:32.000And then you can do everything here locally instead of having to jump across space, extraterrestrial, or jump across time, extra-tempestrium.
01:13:40.000Well, it also explains some of the very strange ways that they've observed crafts moving under the water.
01:13:47.000Like they've observed crafts moving under the water at 500 knots that are as big as a football field.
01:13:53.000And apparently there's video of these things.
01:13:56.000Apparently there's the TV has something that they filmed that is as big as a football field that was going essentially 500 miles an hour underwater without any ripples, not disturbing the water at all, not creating a wake.
01:14:09.000And then moving right out of them in the transmedium capacity.
01:14:13.000Well, you know, when you think about how little exploration we've done to the bottom of the ocean, we know more about the moon than we do about the surface of the actual bottom of the ocean.
01:14:26.000Yeah, it would be a great place to hide out.
01:14:29.000And again, you know, the ability to move in and out of air, water, space, upper atmosphere with no disturbances, the transmedium capabilities, that whole warped space-time bubble around them would help explain that too, that they're not experiencing the water.
01:14:46.000They're not experiencing the air as they move between them.
01:14:49.000Like, I always think about, I really love skiing.
01:14:52.000And one of my favorite times to ski is late season.
01:14:56.000You know, it's April, the sun's out, everybody's in t-shirts or bikinis or whatever.
01:15:45.000I mean, he was just casually mentioning that there's five different locations in the ocean of the world, in the seas of the world, where they've observed crafts coming out of.
01:15:55.000That's a very weird thing to just say while you're walking.
01:16:48.000Jesse Michaels just did a show about it where he interviewed the guy who found it.
01:16:53.000I think they're treasure divers, and they found this very strange thing that is sitting on the floor of the ocean, and it has right angles to it, and it's kind of curved.
01:17:05.000There's an actual, I don't know what kind of an image is of it, but they have explored this thing, and he's convinced that it's not a natural formation.
01:17:34.000So, you know, look, this could be something that's sitting on, or it could be something that was built at a time where this was not covered by ocean.
01:18:22.000Baltic Sea Anomaly is a sonar-detected seafloor formation in the northern Baltic Sea found in 2011 by Swedish Ocean X, formerly Ocean Explorer team, during a treasure hunting expedition.
01:18:33.000Most geologists who have examined the available data consider it a natural rock formation shaped by glacial processes, despite ongoing popular speculation about UFOs or artificial origin.
01:19:24.000And Tim Gallaudet was one of the speakers.
01:19:26.000And he was showing images of, I think, what you're talking about, where there was like this sort of almost like a cliff underwater and then had some strange things around it.
01:19:53.000Yeah, and again, it makes sense if they were trying to covertly study us, regardless of their origins, ultraterrestrial, extraterrestrial, whatever.
01:21:00.000No, I mean, again, when I started out in this, I was relatively conservative with my views on things.
01:21:08.000But man, the further you go down this rabbit hole, just the weirder shit gets, and you can't do that anymore.
01:21:14.000You've got to recognize that there's a lot of things that just you can't write off.
01:21:18.000You know, the impossible become possible, or at least you have to open your mind to the fact that these things you used to think were impossible need a second look.
01:21:27.000And then there's also the people that work in military intelligence that work with these defense contractors that say there's black operations, like operations that are completely top secret that are 30 years ahead of anything that you can imagine right now.
01:21:44.000So you go, okay, well, what does that look like?
01:21:46.000What is 30 years ahead of us now look like?
01:21:50.000Yeah, like that was SR-71, the Blackbird or whatever it is, black, whatever.
01:21:56.000Yeah, like we didn't even know about that until 20 years after they made it.
01:23:03.000I'm like, how do you say that with such confidence?
01:23:06.000We live in a galaxy with hundreds of billions of stars just in this galaxy, with hundreds of billions of stars in other galaxies, and there's hundreds of billions of other galaxies.
01:24:02.000I mean, if people were going to accept something as 100% truth without any investigation or any skepticism from the pharmaceutical drug industry, they are the most evil motherfuckers that have ever lived.
01:24:17.000They are responsible for more death from releasing drugs that have horrible adverse side effects that they knew about.
01:24:24.000They have taken the largest criminal fines of any companies.
01:24:29.000I mean what they've done is really fucking creepy when you look at how they release drugs that they knew were going to fuck people over and they knew those people didn't need those drugs.
01:24:39.000And yet when you put people in a scary situation and you make them terrified and you offer up a solution, they believe wholeheartedly that the pharmaceutical drug companies were only telling the truth and anybody who didn't believe.
01:24:55.000So it's like that sheep mentality is so strong with so many people.
01:24:59.000There are so many cowards in the world and so many followers that would just step in line the moment things get weird, whenever they get challenged, the moment things get weird, that it just makes sense that if you make it like socially, you become a social pariah if you start talking about UFO.
01:25:15.000Here's Mike with his fucking wacky UFO theories.
01:25:19.000Like people don't talk about those things.
01:26:21.000And so the fourth time I went, I was like, all right, but I'm only doing it if you guys actually, you know, and one of the episodes was about this whole theory anyway.
01:26:37.000So one of the cool things that's been happening, largely because of Ancient your show, you know, you talk about this a lot and it helps normalize it for a lot of people, is that there's a safe space now, you know?
01:26:49.000Like where you'll be talking about these things and somebody will come up who had a sighting when they were, you know, a teenager or in their 40s or whatever, and they never told anybody.
01:27:00.000And now it's like, wait, it's safe to talk about this?
01:27:11.000And we're sharing information and contactees too.
01:27:13.000You know, unfortunately, I started saying earlier, we're still kind of stuck on, this is changing too, but we're still largely stuck on the cockpit videos and the FLIR and the gimbal and the GoFast.
01:27:23.000But people have been taken into these craft.
01:27:25.000They've had stuff put on their junk and their semen take it.
01:27:29.000Like there's a lot of no-no square touching that happens, anal probes, you know.
01:27:34.000And we used to laugh at that, but that is such a common theme throughout these.
01:27:38.000And we need to recognize that these people are having real experiences and have been having them for a very long time.
01:27:46.000Let's let the contactees and experiencers who have had the closest form of a close encounter you can have, let's trust them now.
01:27:53.000Let's listen to what they have to say.
01:27:55.000Let's be discerning, you know, but let's keep an open mind.
01:27:58.000Well, I think one of the more interesting things when you start talking about stories and encounters, one of the more interesting things is some of the research that Jacques Valley has done where he brings up stories that absolutely predate the modern cultural visions of UFOs.
01:28:17.000Like the modern cultural concept of the close encounter of the third kind type grays that come down in a flying saucer.
01:28:30.000So it's these encounters people are talking about from the 1700s and the 1800s.
01:28:36.000And they're talking about something coming down and something interacting with people and them having some sort of experience of lost time.
01:28:50.000Yeah, it's not just the gamete extractions.
01:28:53.000I mean, you could make the argument that a lot of things that happened in very mainstream religious texts were exactly what people are describing.
01:29:03.000Even the CIA admitted that unexplainable pregnancies are an aspect of the phenomenon.
01:30:03.000Yeah, and then you look at the Nephilim, like, and all kinds of different Mbaba Wana Veresa, this story from Zulu lore, it's a fucking alien abduction, man.
01:30:14.000And they've been telling this story for thousands of years.
01:30:17.000So it's this woman, the sky goddess, who chooses a man to mate with and comes down, tests him to make sure that he knows that it's her, appears in his dreams, communicates telepathically, gets him ready for this interaction.
01:30:33.000He's in love with her, never met her before.
01:30:35.000She comes down from the sky and takes him up with her on this rainbow of light.
01:30:41.000Like all of those, like, and I made the case in my second book that if Antonio V.S. Boas had been able to go back with the woman that he had sex with, it's basically the same story.
01:30:55.000So this Brazilian lawyer is telling a story that's identical to the Zulu legend that's been told for centuries, millennia.
01:32:07.000It's easy to get people to comply like that, especially when they're dependent upon, you know, whether it's a corporate entity like CNN or whether it's the New York Times or whatever it is.
01:32:16.000It's not hard to get people to comply.
01:33:52.000So they would comment on anything and just say, well, that also still feeds the perception that it's real.
01:33:58.000Because other people that maybe don't have great critical thinking skills or discernment because they're a 90-year-old grandma that doesn't know how to use a computer, she sees that, oh, it's cute.
01:34:07.000I think it erodes the consensus intelligence.
01:34:11.000Like The overall level of intelligent discourse that a society puts out.
01:34:18.000You know, if you have a town square, which is like Twitter is our town square, right?
01:34:22.000If that town square is populated by fake people, like enormous percentage populated by fake people that are just designed to say the most inflammatory, ridiculous things to get interaction and engagement and also to erode people's faith in other people and to make us argue with each other.
01:34:42.000Construct the other, like you were saying at the beginning of this conversation.
01:34:49.000My hope is that eventually there'll be some way to accurately discern and it'll stop that stuff from happening.
01:34:58.000You know, that you'll be able to tell like very clearly whether or not it's an actual person.
01:35:03.000The problem is that if that does happen, it's a gateway to digital ID because you would have to lose your anonymity.
01:35:12.000Anonymity is very important for whistleblowers.
01:35:15.000Like say if you work for a corporation, you find out that corporation is dumping stuff into a river and it's all secret and it's illegal and you know that if you tell they're going to kill you, you know, and you're an executive at that corporation, your conscience is troubled.
01:35:32.000You can make a fake account and you could post all this information that you know and you could break a story and you don't face any consequences.
01:37:15.000If you've got enough airsoft bullets in you, just fills up your entire day's life.
01:37:19.000If you ever went to the doctor, maybe eventually you'd get an infection.
01:37:23.000I think somebody might intervene at that point.
01:37:25.000When I was living in LA when I first moved there, a guy had killed himself accidentally on a set because he took a gun that was a blank gun and he shot himself in the head, like trying to be funny.
01:37:36.000And it killed him because the force that comes out of the gun is still extremely powerful.
01:37:41.000And he put it to his temple and he literally caved his skull in.
01:37:58.000But I guess you could shoot yourself in the head once and just really fuck it up, but be aware that you're still alive and be committed to doing it and then shoot yourself a second time.
01:38:36.000And then, of course, that term is popularized during the JFK assassination because that very reason there was a lot of people that doubted the official story, and those people became conspiracy theorists.
01:39:04.000There's like very few people that disagree on that.
01:39:06.000I think it's Officer Tippett, I think that was his name, when he was on the run.
01:39:11.000So Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely seems to be some sort of an intelligence asset in some way or another.
01:39:17.000Married a Russian woman, lived in Russia for a while, came back to the United States during the time of the whole, I mean, this is right after the Red Scare.
01:39:24.000The fact that this guy went to Russia, married a Russian woman, came back, and the whole thing, screw it.
01:39:29.000He could have been a Patsy and involved, too.
01:40:11.000There's a lot of these weird aspects to it.
01:40:13.000And there's also the fact that Kenny was very hated.
01:40:16.000Also, the fact that, you know, it's in Dealey Plaza, which is like, why would you ever drive someone through there in a convertible that's the president?
01:40:27.000That's a very, you know, any president is, you know, we think of JFK was the most loved president, right, by half the country.
01:43:12.000I mean, fucking, dude, right now, someone took me.
01:43:15.000If Trump called me up, I'm going to see some shit.
01:43:19.000And all of a sudden, I'm standing in front of some craft that's made of this unknown alloy.
01:43:23.000And especially some of the weirder stories where you have a craft that's like 40 feet wide and you go inside of it, it's bigger than a football field.
01:43:33.000Nixon arranged for him to visit Homestead Air Force Base in Florida.
01:43:36.000Upon his arrival, armed guards took Gleason to a building at a remote location on the site.
01:43:41.000There, Gleason, who harbored an intense interest in UFO, saw the embalmed bodies of four alien beings, two feet long with small bald heads and big ears.
01:43:50.000He was told nothing about the circumstances of the recovery.
01:43:53.000He swore his wife to secrecy, but after the divorce, Beverly freely discussed the story.
01:43:58.000In the mid-80s, UFO UFologist Larry Bryant sued the U.S. government to get it to reveal its UFO secrets.
01:44:05.000He tried without success to subpoena Gleason.
01:44:52.000There was a catalyst involved in his interest.
01:44:55.000Well, I mean, if you're friends with Nixon and this is in the 1960s and all this stuff is talking about a fucking dope house, by the way, talking about asking some commander general about what's it right, Pat, and I guess he just cussed him out.
01:46:03.000Especially if, I mean, there are certain programs that if you disclose the existence of this program, it is considered treason, and they are allowed to execute you for that.
01:46:14.000So you have to take that into consideration.
01:46:16.000I would keep a secret if that was the case.
01:46:35.000If they have these back engineering programs, if they've been spending as much as a trillion dollars over the course of X amount of years, where's that money and who lied and who benefited from it?
01:46:47.000What military contractors were allowed to have this stuff to back engineer it?
01:46:52.000What process has taken place to shield the American public from that?
01:46:57.000And what profits have they made from that that made them like much more anti-competition against other military contractors?
01:47:09.000Which is another reason to keep this secret, too.
01:47:10.000It's not just you might get killed, but there's a lot of profit potential in this.
01:47:14.000And we don't want our competitors to get it.
01:47:42.000Like I don't, I don't want to start shitting on NGOs or anything, but that's a big reason why I don't give money to I'll find smaller organizations doing things on a local level, but local stuff you can trust.
01:47:58.000And of course, if you're talking trillions of dollars, black money that nobody's tracing.
01:48:03.000And I mean, that was one of David Grush's arguments, too, is that these whistleblowers are exposing crimes, you know, fraud, potential murder that happened to keep these secrets.
01:48:15.000So, yeah, it's a complex, it's a very nuanced situation that we will have to move past if we are going to have disclosure in some capacity, however that happens.
01:48:25.000I mean, amnesty has been talked about for some people.
01:49:01.000Unless you have mass amnesty to say, listen, let's just forget about all this stuff.
01:49:06.000Then the problem with that is all those people that are profiting off of it right now and also funneling money into whatever NGOs they have and misappropriation of money and embezzlements.
01:49:30.000It's very weird because there's been a few inventions that came about after Roswell that a lot of people say, like, this does not make any sense.
01:50:52.000Other than that, I know that it is infinitely times more energetic than what you get when you split an atom or fuse atoms together, the nuclear force.
01:51:04.000My understanding, again, very limited knowledge, is that even when you take a molecule, particle, whatever, and you freeze it down to zero degrees, there's still energy inside of that.
01:51:16.000And there's energy at a subquantum level that if we could tap into that, it would provide infinite energy.
01:51:25.000The downside is it would also make a bomb that is much, much more powerful than the biggest hydrogen bomb because you're releasing that energy in a way that's irresponsible.
01:51:34.000There's this quote going around by E.O. Wilson, a famed biologist, on, I think I saw it on Twitter, that was like, we have prehistoric emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology.
01:53:43.000They give us screen memories to try to hide what they did.
01:53:46.000They sometimes give people tours of the ship.
01:53:48.000They seemingly care about us as individuals, but not when we start murdering each other on a massive scale.
01:53:53.000They've never intervened in these things.
01:53:56.000However, they have demonstrated their ability and willingness to shut down nukes.
01:54:01.000They might intervene if we move to the point where we're not just destroying ourselves, but we're destroying the planet that they may also call home in the future.
01:54:10.000If they are future humans, that whole care for the planet, take care of the plant, they told the kids in Zimbabwe, they told the kids in Wales during this other incident.
01:54:20.000They tell these contactees all the time, take care of the plant, take care of the planet, but they don't seem to care about us.
01:54:25.000And it might actually benefit them if we don't screw up this planet, either through nuking ourselves or just all of the other things we do to it because we're kind of parasitic in a way.
01:54:36.000Well, also, if they are us in the future, we probably have to go through all this to realize the folly of our ways.
01:54:59.000There's less war, even though there's still war.
01:55:02.000So it's a slow, gradual shift of consciousness that probably is going to be accelerated by technology, especially if there is some sort of a technology that connects us telepathically and allows people to read minds.
01:55:17.000One of the things that Elon famously said about his Neuralink, he's like, you're going to be able to talk without words.
01:55:22.000Yeah, I had a whole section in my first book about that.
01:55:25.000The question of whether it's a technology-mediated brain-to-brain communication or if there's something about our consciousness that allows us to communicate telepathically without some sort of technology.
01:55:43.000You know, you're like, well, what if it is technology?
01:55:45.000And there's a lot of studies that have shown we can communicate through some sort of computer medium.
01:55:51.000But so many people on contactee cases who are spoken to or can speak to the visitors telepathically don't have that.
01:55:59.000There's also all of the research of Dean Radin at Ions and all of his other studies that he's put out that show people have telepathic abilities with very, very strong p-values, statistically showing that we have this ability.
01:56:12.000I think a lot of people have it and just don't realize, but it does seem like we're moving in that direction.
01:56:17.000Like you were talking about the evolution of consciousness.
01:56:19.000It seems like we're sort of moving to that, whether Neuralink has anything to do with it or any sort of computer-mediated brain-to-brain transmission.
01:56:29.000I think we're just becoming telepathic and unlocking these abilities that have always sort of lied dormant within us.
01:56:37.000Yeah, I've often asked the question, is it one of two things?
01:56:40.000Is this a new emerging aspect of human consciousness?
01:56:46.000Or is this an aspect of human consciousness that exists before verbal speech?
01:56:51.000And then verbal speech, and then, of course, the written word, video, all that stuff.
01:56:57.000It just became completely non-useful to us.
01:57:45.000Yeah, so Jay Anderson just released this, and Jesse Michaels actually went down to Peru and actually saw those things and handled them in person.
01:58:29.000Can we hit volume so you can hear what he's saying?
01:58:33.000She has slightly smaller stature and slighter build than Maria, but shares the same natural mummification with skin covering parts of the body.
01:58:41.000Her skull is elongated with large eye orbits and cranial volume comparable to Maria's.
01:58:47.000Importantly, Montserrat's CT scans reveal that she was carrying in her abdominal cavity.
01:58:52.000The team identified a developing fetal form being visible on the scans, a tiny tridactyl embryo with skeletal structure curled in a womb-like space.
01:59:04.000This confirms that Montserrat was pregnant with at least one advanced fetus.
01:59:08.000Montserrat also contains an astonishing array of metallic implants, at least 10 distinct metal implants embedded into her body.
01:59:17.000These include four small round implants in her skull, two on each side, several in her chest and thoracic area, and others along her arm and leg bones as per the CT images.
01:59:28.000They're described as very dense and made of rare metals, osmium and gold.
01:59:32.000Additionally, Montserrat's chest anatomy is peculiar.
01:59:36.000She has an expanded rib cage without a sternum, like the other tridactyls, and an interclavicle bone, an extra bone at the shoulder girdle.
01:59:44.000Noted by researchers, her spine is continuous into the skull, again, demonstrating that cranio-cervical canal.
01:59:50.000Look how crazy has been one of the most deeply analyzed specimens.
01:59:54.000High-resolution 128-slice CT scans were performed, and a full 3D virtual autopsy was conducted.
02:00:01.000The scans confirmed Montserrat's pregnancy with tridactyl features.
02:01:37.000Three fingers, three toes, which is, by the way, exactly what Lazar described, I believe, as, or some people have described as like the control.
02:01:45.000The controls inside the crafts that they've observed that had these three-fingered things.
02:01:50.000varginia brazil those things had three fingers and three toes so the question is like they saw footprints too in that case didn't they yeah Yeah.
02:01:58.000Well, supposedly, one of the soldiers carried a hurt and injured whatever it is.
02:02:06.000Yeah, and there were three saw it too, like an alley or something.
02:02:10.000Yeah, that's the moment of contact documentary.
02:05:15.000I've been looking at these long enough that I remember when they were held together by pieces of wire and metal.
02:05:20.000Like, they didn't even try to really hide that.
02:05:22.000You X-rayed them, looked like, oh, Jesus Christ.
02:05:24.000But then we moved away from that to like, oh, they're using better materials to hide the fact that they're sticking these together as little dolls.
02:05:31.000And now, fortunately, we've at least moved past to the point where most people are just focusing on these big ones with the fingers and the toes.
02:05:51.000But the little dolls, one thing that concerns me that I think is a red flag is that the little dolls that are now conventionally understood to be fake have the same diatomaceous earth characteristics as these.
02:06:05.000And there's also, I think if they really want to prove these are real, do more to highlight the provenience of them.
02:06:13.000In archaeology, the way that we understand the way things are related is by doing a massive, as I mentioned earlier, very boring survey of how things are located in three-dimensional space and over time.
02:06:25.000I think there's a problem with that, is that some of these people have lied about where they got them because they're essentially grave robbing.
02:06:31.000And that's a big problem and an ethical issue that needs to be addressed too.
02:06:36.000But so, like, as an example, the Rising Star Cave, Homo Nalidi, they did, you know, Lee Berger, who's actually, I guess, my academic brother, because we had the same PhD advisor.
02:06:48.000He was at Ohio State when he was my advisor, and he was at Johannesburg, University of Estroger's Rand, in Johannesburg for him.
02:06:57.000But this Rising Star Cave, very meticulously hard to get to, you know, really hard.
02:07:03.000He had to lose like 50 pounds to even get down in here to see his own site.
02:07:07.000But they map it out, they study where everything is, where it comes from, and they publicly release that information.
02:07:12.000Yeah, like this is extremely hard to get into, but we have a very deep knowledge of the provenience of all of the artifacts and the features and the remains at this site.
02:07:23.000We're not getting that with these mummies.
02:07:25.000And that troubles me with the issue of the diatomaceous earth being painted on, and it kind of makes it seem like they did these slits in the eyes on purpose.
02:08:24.000Yeah, if they are some sort of extraterrestrial, absolutely.
02:08:26.000But I'm saying, like, when, and this happens all over the world, and it happened in that region of Peru, too, that they were manipulating children's skulls that Maya did.
02:10:50.000I actually, in that crypto-terrestrial paper where we broke in and ate all the mushrooms, I actually published a critique of these things in that paper.
02:11:00.000But just talking about these little ones.
02:11:02.000I think those little ones were people trying to make copies of those things.
02:11:40.000But there's also such a small amount of excavation that it makes you ponder, like, how many of these are there right now that we have not discovered?
02:11:48.000Like, is it possible that this is one of many that are out there in Peru right now where you can't find them?
02:12:15.000And especially if you, I mean, the obvious thing would be that they're trying to get these advanced beings that make them gum, come down from the sky and like interact with them again.
02:12:39.000And then over time, he missed them and wanted them to come back.
02:12:42.000And that's what we find over and over.
02:12:43.000One of the best resources currently is the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free study that interviewed thousands of contactees and abductees.
02:12:51.000And there's these common themes across these different cases.
02:12:55.000And one of them is that people, 85% of people who interacted with a more human-like entity enjoyed their experience.
02:13:03.000And that's another thing that we have to combat with the stigma and this forced shame that comes with talking about this.
02:13:09.000And what has happened in TV and movies over the years is that we have this sense that abductions are horrifying and everyone's picked up and probed and hurt.
02:13:32.000But then what I also found is that with repeated contact, once that ontological shock goes away, they're like, whoa, that was kind of cool, actually.
02:15:04.000They were trying to get me to at least my perception of it in the dream was they were trying to get me to calm down from the shock of interacting with these things that aren't human.
02:15:20.000They almost seemed like their skin coloration was like us, but like maybe a little more tan, like a little more, not tan, but like a yellow.
02:15:47.000A rash guard is like what surfers wear.
02:15:50.000You know, like they wear, it's like a stretchy material that's skin tight, it goes on your body, and it keeps you from getting scratched up by stuff.
02:17:38.000After that, like when they were saying take this in, were they talking about being there in the environment or were they communicating some distinct impression that this was a first meeting?
02:17:54.000But I want to let you know that, like, if you wanted to introduce someone to a life form from somewhere else and you wanted them to have prolonged exposure to it, I would imagine you'd want to do it briefly and shockingly where it felt really weird.
02:18:09.000And then at the end of it, they're not even sure if it really happened at all.
02:18:12.000And then slowly, over a long period of time, when the person gets to adapt and they make a decision, it's time.
02:18:19.000It's just like what we were talking about with the ontological shock.
02:19:33.000It felt like some completely different way of lighting things.
02:19:37.000I mean, I will mention just from doing a bunch of research on this that one of the most commonly described things about people being in UFOs is the light.
02:19:47.000They describe the light emanating from the walls, the ceiling, everywhere without like a point of light.
02:23:36.000I was talking through some sort of TV show entity or entities through him.
02:23:42.000And they said, once you know who we are, you'll know how we know that.
02:23:47.000And I never had a telepathic moment in my life, but I thought, future humans, that's all I could come up with because like, this is what I'm doing.
02:23:55.000They didn't answer the question, but they did say, so you know how we did that?
02:24:38.000And people started to come back to this room because the party was wrapping up downstairs and they were starting to come back to the VIP room where all the free booze was.
02:25:07.000And these three women turned in perfect unison, walked back in, closed the door.
02:25:11.000Nobody came out the rest of the time we were out there.
02:25:14.000Eventually got to the point where they're like, we came here because we need to put three things in your brain for some future time or times.
02:28:27.000I had a memory of what happened the night before, but it was kind of fuzzy.
02:28:32.000And then as it started to come back more and more and more, I started to be like, oh, shit, like that, that was real.
02:28:40.000You know, my first thought was like, oh, that wasn't real.
02:28:42.000And then I was allowed to remember all of it.
02:28:45.000Everything before they put me in that state is like crystal clear in my mind.
02:28:49.000And I wrote it all down not long after that, just to make sure I had, you know, so it wasn't me recounting, me recounting like you were saying.
02:28:57.000So there was actually like a written transcript of how everything happened.
02:29:31.000I have no idea how long they were doing that.
02:29:33.000And then in a dream state, like it could have been dreams often skew time regardless.
02:29:38.000But maybe if, let's just say hypothetically, you were on a craft, they were breaking you down in the same way they did me to try to get you, whether now or in the future, like you said.
02:29:49.000It might have been an initial encounter where there's something more going to happen later.
02:29:53.000But maybe there was more to it that they just didn't let you have conscious memories of.
02:29:57.000Like they told me I wouldn't remember what they put in my brain and I don't.
02:30:01.000Just say, this is what blows my mind, man.
02:30:37.000At some point, whatever that was that they thought was so damn important to mini abduct me at this conference, fuck with me for about five months afterwards, is going to come out at some point.
02:30:47.000Have you ever considered the possibility someone dropped acid into your beer?
02:34:23.000And if these things are happening, they're not happening to 7 billion people, right?
02:34:28.000They're happening to select individuals for whatever unknown reason all over the place.
02:34:36.000And if that is happening to one in a million, one in a hundred thousand, whatever it is, over time, these people have all these similar stories.
02:35:36.000I'm really glad you brought that up because a lot of people don't think about that part.
02:35:41.000How hard it is, not just to have some crazy shit like that happen, but how hard it is to then talk about it and subject yourself to the ridicule and the scorn that comes with it.
02:35:51.000And the possibility that you might just be some disinformation artist, just some bullshit artist that's sent down here to muddy up the narrative.
02:36:19.000I don't think that's the case in this situation because of the way it happened, how it happened, their uber politeness, and the fact that I was allowed to leave my body and see and remember things that I normally wouldn't.
02:36:34.000Well, also, taken in the context of who you are, the time we live in, Betty and Barney Hill, I believe it was in the 1950s.
02:36:40.000They're an interracial couple in New England.
02:36:42.000So they have a lot of anxiety just on that.
02:36:46.000Imagine being a pioneering interracial couple in the 1950s.
02:36:50.000I mean, the fucking racism they must have experienced must have been.
02:36:53.000So the level of anxiety that they must have slept with, thinking that KKK is going to show up at any point in time and burn a fucking cross on their lawn.
02:38:40.000It was really hard for me to talk about this.
02:38:42.000It really fucked me up for like, I'm going to say five months, but it was way more than that.
02:38:46.000And the reason I bring this up is because of your dream and the shock factor and what it means for conceptualizing reality, this physical reality, versus what we write off as being dreams, a dream reality.
02:38:59.000I have come to think that that is baseline, that consciousness is fundamental.
02:39:19.000And it almost seems like we're here for the universe to learn about itself and to have these experiences because at source, there's nothing.
02:39:29.000I was thinking in the shower the other day that I feel lucky because I've gotten to have near-death experiences without actually dying because it's a very similar thing.
02:39:36.000And I go to that same place that people describe in these near-death experiences.
02:41:59.000And you observe those interesting things and can talk about them in interesting ways.
02:42:03.000Most people like interesting things, but most people are saddled down by a structure.
02:42:07.000And that structure could be the office politics in the place that you work.
02:42:12.000It could be whatever your cultural or whatever your political ideology is, whatever your thing is.
02:42:19.000Like you get stuck in this structure where you have to think about things in a very specific way and talk about things in a very specific way.
02:42:28.000In the comedy world, those shunned things are ammunition.
02:42:31.000Like that's that's where our weapons for comedy.
02:42:34.000Like I want to talk about things that are fucking weird.
02:42:37.000You know, I want to talk about the things that make you go, oh, yeah, I didn't want to say that, but I've been thinking the same kind of thing.
02:43:08.000You know, people only see what they are able to believe.
02:43:12.000They only see what makes them comfortable.
02:43:14.000Or they try to only see what makes them comfortable.
02:43:17.000And a lot of people, I think Nietzsche said that people don't want to know the truth because it'll destroy their comfortable sense of reality.
02:43:22.000I totally bastardize that quote, but it's something like that, you know.
02:43:25.000I think that's why people get so paranoid when they smoke weed.
02:43:30.000And you're like, see, I'm a big proponent of the filter theory.
02:43:33.000You know, I think there's all this weirdness all around us all the time.
02:43:36.000And it just takes a little masculine or DMT or psilocybin, and it removes that filter, and you see the world for what it is, which becomes much more dreamlike.
02:43:46.000I really do think that that essence of our consciousness is the root of all of this.
02:44:15.000It ensures that this being is going to make better stuff all the time.
02:44:20.000Well, if that being makes better stuff all the time, it's not hard to extrapolate.
02:44:24.000Like, take this a few years down the road.
02:44:27.000You have an artificial intelligent life force.
02:44:29.000And you have an artificial intelligent life force that has sentience and creativity and is capable of making a far better artificial intelligent life force radically quickly.
02:44:58.000I think that might be one of the reasons why beings from somewhere else are interested in us because they recognize there's a process going on.
02:45:04.000And perhaps this process doesn't go on everywhere.
02:45:07.000Perhaps these beings are embedded with a type of consciousness that doesn't allow them to seek territorial dominance.
02:45:16.000They don't ever evolve these kind of primate instincts that we're saddled down with.
02:45:20.000Because of our savage background, you know, I mean, I don't know if you ever watched Chimp Nation on Netflix.
02:46:06.000But we, so we are saddled down with that programming.
02:46:10.000And even though I think if we were genetically engineered, they made a superior version of what we used to be as chimpanzees or whatever the cousin of chimpanzee we came from, we're still saddled down.