In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and I talk about aliens, cloning, and the tridactyl mummies in Peru, and whether or not they are real or not. Joe is a writer, podcaster, and podcaster based out of Los Angeles, California. He's been writing about UFOs for a long time, and has been a regular contributor to the Los Angeles Daily News and the New York Times. In this episode, we talk about how he got into the UFO field, and why he thinks aliens are real.
00:01:22.000The concept is you could, if you lived in the future, you could go back in time and it would not affect the future because everything that's supposed to happen has already happened.
00:01:43.000Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans.
00:01:45.000We talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and actually touched those things and was there with them and how surreal it was.
00:01:51.000Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go and see the Nazca mummies.
00:01:55.000I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going on at Saxo Oman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco.
00:02:03.000But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that obviously you're going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified.
00:02:14.000But when you actually look at the CT scans and the x-rays, you start to realize that this can't be fake.
00:02:35.000These ones are meant to be like the little kind of like 60 centimeter beings with like three eggs inside them.
00:02:40.000Then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an actual fetus, like a baby not in an egg.
00:02:45.000So it's like, if these are all real, it does feel like there was some sort of genetic experimentation going on where they're just churning out prototypes of some form.
00:03:05.000I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian anthropod kind of lineage.
00:03:10.000So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with the eggs are sharing reptilian traits.
00:03:17.000So it's like there are all these different variations with these different bodies, different kind of like physiological characteristics, which is why it's like, okay, well, is this one lineage or is this just someone kind of like tweaking?
00:03:34.000So your thought is that these are the products of experiments.
00:03:38.000I mean, if you look at Jesse, when Jesse Michaels did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember where he got this from, but he was saying that the original translation of the area of Nazca from the original language was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning.
00:03:54.000It was like a really strange definition for the actual area that kind of says experimentation and genetic modification.
00:04:03.000I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something that he brought up in the documentary.
00:04:47.000Yeah, I'm butchering it, but no, for sure.
00:04:49.000But I, but just the fact that these things exist and they exist in an area of the world which is full of mystery.
00:04:56.000I mean, the megalithic sites around there.
00:04:58.000Like I said, that's what I was out there for to see these different megalithic sites and the Nazca lines and Saxawaman and in the Sacred Valley.
00:05:05.000You just have like incredibly complex architecture.
00:05:09.000You know, rose court, granite, diorite, andesite, these incredibly hard stones, like in Egypt.
00:05:14.000But honestly, I find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture because of just the level of interlocking precision that you see and the fact that it looks like they've softened the stone in Saxawamon.
00:05:26.000It looks like marshmallows, like all squished together.
00:05:29.000And it just invokes a lot of different theories from people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.
00:05:33.000Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.
00:05:54.000And like sometimes you'll see like these corners where just a tiny bit of stone is jutting up and then the other two are connecting into it.
00:06:00.000It's like this is such a ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600 year ago Bronze Age bronze chisels and stone hammer tool wielding civilization.
00:06:10.000And also in Peru is what I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use when you look at what is the Inca work, which is the rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls.
00:06:21.000Like this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites.
00:06:26.000And the mainstream will attribute all of this to the Inca of 600 years ago.
00:06:30.000But you'll see that the stone walls that are rough cut and use cement and mortar, they're still standing.
00:06:38.000Next to megalithic multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken to pieces and strewn across the hillside.
00:06:43.000So it just looks like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological trauma in this area.
00:06:49.000And then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites, built around them.
00:06:54.000You can see in like the cracks and corners of all these megaliths that there's like stone walls that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce.
00:07:00.000It's very visually obvious, actually, when you go out to these places.
00:07:03.000Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the possibility that this is from an older time?
00:07:20.000There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries, whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau.
00:07:30.000And then the incredible megaliths in Peru, like Saxewoman.
00:07:35.000It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy, and it's coming up against an ever-piling higher mountain of evidence.
00:07:46.000And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to Saxawoman, where they've got current archaeological digs going on through the Chinkana project, which is an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs.
00:07:58.000And they have actually discovered below, like 10 meters down into the ground, precision carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth.
00:08:06.000And this is where in this region in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Saxa Woman, connecting Saxa Woman to the sacred valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range.
00:08:28.000We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise elements of infrastructure below Saxawoman.
00:08:37.000And they're just beginning to uncover this.
00:08:38.000I was one of the first to go down there and actually see these blocks myself.
00:08:42.000And it's just like, this is happening now.
00:08:45.000We're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things.
00:09:48.000There's all of these incredible, massive stones that have been somehow or another moved from a quarry, sometimes that were hundreds of miles away.
00:10:15.000This is in Ole and Tentambo in the Sacred Valley.
00:10:18.000This is one of the things that's so infuriating about people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information and being the only ones that are allowed to distribute the truth.
00:11:17.000Like, super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating to just all life, you know, because it just changes the temperature of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't get blasted out of the ground by the actual volcano itself.
00:11:30.000All the other stuff on the other side of the world gets fucked.
00:11:34.000We got down to like a few thousand people.
00:11:37.000And then there was another time where one of these guys came, God, I forgot who that was as well.
00:11:42.000We were talking about the reality of glaciation and about what happens during ice ages and how devastating it can be.
00:11:51.000And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in the history of the Earth to the point where it was incapable of sustaining life.
00:11:59.000That within a few, you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide are necessary to support plant life, we literally got to the part where there was almost impossible to support life.
00:12:10.000And then it rebounded and everything's fine.
00:12:15.000It's so crazy to try to pretend you know that people 600 years ago make this because we know people 600 years ago lived there.
00:12:22.000We have a lot of archaeological evidence and we have but you have weird structures on top of obviously much more intricate and complex structures.
00:12:32.000Yeah, and again, they share the same signatures as places like in Egypt and in India, you know, they think you're a kook.
00:12:40.000It's again, it's adherence to a status quo.
00:12:42.000And, you know, you get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia.
00:12:46.000And I think that it can be a real detriment actually to opening up your ideas and being a little bit more expansive with what could be possible because you do get put into a very restrictive format in the traditional academic sense.
00:13:00.000And then obviously you have the pressures of funding and things like this.
00:13:03.000And you're not going to get the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit.
00:13:06.000And it's just like a self-fulfilling censoring, you know.
00:13:10.000But with the rise of alternative media, we're changing the game a bit because you can actually put a voice out there.
00:14:52.000And then obviously go back to that, please again.
00:14:54.000You get alongside this kind of description, you have these bodies, you have this architecture and math.
00:15:01.000Yeah, like this was, dude, this was like one little 10-second clip in his documentary, and it just made me perk up, like, wait a minute, what?
00:15:07.000The name of the place is like a laboratory of insemination and cloning.
00:15:12.000And they're getting a smorgasbord of different beings coming out of this area, right?
00:15:16.000Like, Jesse does add, I think he's speculating somewhat on the etymology, not definitive.
00:16:12.000Why would we assume that the ones that we found so far, including like would they find Dennis Ovens like 15 years ago or something like that?
00:17:32.000And then you have, you know, the strange stories like from the Hopi tribe about the ant people that came during a time of cataclysm and they brought them underground and then they brought them back up.
00:18:10.000And they had a whole story about how this was a human that became an ant that lives underground and it can appear in the divine light.
00:18:17.000But you should be very careful with this being because it will take your soul underground and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back.
00:18:23.000And they were taking it real seriously.
00:18:33.000Well, I think they have, I think there's an ancient memory in people.
00:18:37.000I think it's one of the reasons why these post-apocalypse movies are so popular.
00:18:42.000There's a lot of post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like people, they figure out how to make houses out of wood again, and they're surviving and they make little encampments and they fight off the intruders from the outside.
00:18:54.000You know, real like walking dead type shit with no zombies.
00:19:04.000And I think we probably have been through some terrible moments in the Earth's history where there was an enormous disaster and we are the ancestors of the survivors.
00:19:15.000And I don't think there was a lot of survivors.
00:19:18.000In fact, I heard you talking about that the other day where you were saying about like the, and it's something I agree with, the necessity for post-cataclysm, post-apocalypse, the strong men would inherit the earth.
00:19:33.000Monsters would inherit the earth, right?
00:19:35.000And so if we really were a hyper-advanced Atlantean type civilization prior to this, maybe even more matriarchal than patriarchal, it would make sense that when things fall apart, obviously, and now you need to survive in the wild, the strong men and the savage guys would inherit the Earth because they would be the ones who would be able to push through that type of environment.
00:20:02.000And then if that is the case and you fast forward to where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive, hyper kind of aggressive culture that we have, it would make sense that this was formed through the seeds of trauma and through the seeds of having to fight for survival and recovering what was lost.
00:20:20.000Which also makes sense why the past, the further you go back, the more barbaric these people are.
00:20:26.000You're dealing, and you're like, well, it took a while for people to learn, maybe, but maybe you're dealing with people that had to, they probably had to cannibalize.
00:20:38.000I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could.
00:20:40.000There was only a few thousand of them left.
00:20:42.000If we really got hit by asteroids, like if the younger dryest is correct, it makes sense that it would take like 5,000 years for civil society.
00:20:51.000Because that seems to be what happened.
00:20:53.000It seems to be like you have literally the scraggliest survivors, and then eventually the Earth gets back to normal.
00:21:02.000But even then, it takes thousands of years for people to just have a semblance of what we're experiencing today in terms of civilization.
00:21:11.000And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the Neolithic and the Stone Age.
00:21:16.000Because, okay, so this is a time when we were just basic hunter-gatherers.
00:21:20.000We had no intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the world, according to the mainstream.
00:21:27.000But this is where you have multi-ton, geodetically aligned solar equinox and what's the lunar alignment.
00:21:39.000I've completely just blanked just because I'm a little bit nervous at being on there.
00:21:43.000Like, you know, like equinox alignments and like alignments to the sun and the moon, mathematically, geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents, like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground.
00:21:54.000A lot of these stone henges and dolmens are placed on places where you have strong electromagnetic concentrations.
00:22:00.000And just the package of mathematics and engineering and stonecrafting and the knowledge of the sun and the stars and your placement on the planet to create things like Stonehenge and these other areas in the world.
00:22:17.000How can you do that if you're just hunter-gatherers coming out of animalistic behavior?
00:24:07.000And that was my frustration when it first came out because when it came out, obviously I did some research into the people involved in the Cafra Pyramid team.
00:24:15.000I found his Harmonic SAR website where it has listed the things like the Mosul Dam in Iraq and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places that they'd actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid, which was peer-reviewed.
00:24:27.000Their 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid was a peer-reviewed paper.
00:24:31.000And then you fast forward to now where they've got these ones and you have people like Flynn Dibble and Piers Morgan going, it's bullshit, it's pseudoscience, it's never been done before, it's never been tested.
00:24:40.000It's like, it has been done, it has been tested, it's actually got a patent, it's been peer-reviewed in a paper.
00:26:07.000If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million years there's a structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned, the true north, south, east, and west.
00:26:16.000And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,000.
00:26:18.000I mean, that sounds like some pseudoscience conspiracy talk to me, Joe.
00:26:38.000He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the Great Pyramid and the plateau itself, because what you have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite.
00:26:55.000So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics and rose granite becomes electrical, piezoelectric under mechanical stress and acoustics are a form of mechanical stress.
00:27:06.000So there's like a certainly something to be said about the fact that the pyramids are acoustically tuned.
00:27:10.000Like they're incredible inside the acoustics and they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating that that it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the king's chamber.
00:27:20.000And then the king's chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz, which is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain.
00:27:29.000But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite, where under the right conditions, you absolutely could get energetic responses from that.
00:27:38.000But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is really quite impressive.
00:27:43.000And when you look at places like the Ossyrian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken down temple, we call everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we?
00:27:55.000It could be a power plant of some form, like you said.
00:27:57.000And the Assyrian in Abydos, next to it, you have the Seti I Temple, which is incredible.
00:28:02.000It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.
00:28:05.000And then you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place called the Ossyrian, which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water.
00:28:13.000So they've tried to pump it out and it just fills back up again because it's connected down into the water table.
00:28:19.000And there's all these different shafts and hydrological kind of components in this site that they don't understand the full function of.
00:28:25.000And then you look at places like the Great Pyramid where you go down to the bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have like the kind of core, and this whole area looks like it's been water eroded, as if it was flooded out repeatedly and uses some sort of like a pump or some sort of like sequencing area where you push water in and then let it out, push water in and let it out.
00:28:44.000And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals bringing water up.
00:28:49.000And if you're a thousand meters down, you're tapping into like ancient aquifers.
00:28:54.000So you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient water.
00:28:58.000And I just wonder if, same with Peru, there's something incredibly important about accessing this kind of water at the real depths of the earth.
00:29:07.000And they seem to have a real interest in doing that.
00:29:09.000So perhaps the pyramids are in some way like, I mean, if these spirals are real, it's like a plug, isn't it?
00:29:13.000It's like plugged into the earth, connected down into these aquifers.
00:29:17.000Perhaps it was utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.
00:29:22.000I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.
00:29:42.000But when he breaks it down in terms of, I'll butcher the math if I even try, but in terms of the dimensions, the way it's made, and the fact that you could have something that was down in the basement that was somehow or another creating a resonance.
00:29:53.000That would have this effect, the shafts that go out straight out into space, and the fact that there's evidence that they would possibly use these shafts to pour chemicals in, and it would create gases.
00:30:08.000But, you know, I was when I was, not the last time I was out in Egypt, but the time before then, I was out there with a guy called Jeffrey Drum.
00:30:13.000He's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem.
00:30:15.000And he's all about this in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes was going on in the pyramids and these other areas.
00:30:22.000And we filmed all of the coverage of that.
00:30:25.000If anyone wants to go and see it on my YouTube channel, taking us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you have an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins.
00:30:35.000And they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.
00:30:38.000So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these iron vein networks sort of flowing out from the central point.
00:30:45.000And these iron veins are heading down into what are called these boat pits.
00:30:50.000When you say iron veins, so like iron ore, iron ore, it's on the surface.
00:30:56.000I mean, there's some on the surface, so you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's kind of rusted out and oxidized, and you can make it out, but surely it must be deeper as well.
00:31:06.000But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids down into these.
00:31:11.000So his theory is that they built the pyramid.
00:31:14.000His theory is that they built the pyramids on top of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes frequently.
00:32:31.000So, these are the yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins, and these iron veins head out into what are called boat pits, which they believed in the mainstream interpretation.
00:32:41.000You're freaking me out with the land of chem.
00:32:59.000It's what people believe is the continuation of alchemy and chemistry because you get so much alchemy from Egypt.
00:33:05.000And obviously, this is the place where you get Hermes, Trismegistus, and Hermeticism, and the philosopher's stone kind of leaks out from these types of areas.
00:33:12.000So, I think that there is a lot to suggest this.
00:33:15.000Plus, we actually know in the mainstream that they were incredible chemists, like regardless of exotic forms of chemistry, that we know they were using acids and natron baths and things like this.
00:33:24.000The Egyptians knew what they were doing, even from the perspective that we understand, regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it.
00:33:30.000Right, and you're talking about Egyptians like Cleopatra times, right?
00:33:34.000So, like, we know that they were doing it exactly.
00:33:37.000Exactly, yeah, that's that's why it's so strange.
00:33:40.000Like, if this structure is proved to be real, if they start an excavation and they have irrefutable proof, like without a doubt, there's some man-made structures that are beyond description underneath the ground.
00:34:16.000I think at that point, you have you have to.
00:34:19.000Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand as like an intelligence test because they are so crazy when you have stones that are so large that are taken from quarries hundreds of miles away.
00:34:55.000And one of the things that is said so much, but I guess it's kind of shrugged off just because it said so much, but it's actually a really important point to highlight.
00:35:01.000There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids.
00:35:04.000There's not a single symbol, not a single element of what we would understand to be dynastic Egypt.
00:35:10.000And so, like, you have this incredible contradiction when you go to places like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens, gold, and it's adorned in patterns.
00:35:18.000You can't see a square inch of stone where there isn't something filled to venerate these people.
00:35:35.000It's, you know, big port collises of rose granite and these shafts going off perfectly vertical off into that.
00:35:43.000You can't even see, and there's nothing about it that feels spiritual or funerary at all.
00:35:51.000Just looking at it it looks to me like an advancement of what we are.
00:35:57.000That's almost like indescribable, like a thousand year advancement of where we are currently to build.
00:36:03.000Something like that right, it seems so nuts, and there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts.
00:36:08.000It's just beautiful and impressive right, you know, just like the Coliseum in Rome is exactly.
00:36:13.000Or like you know, the Acropolis, you know, all those things are fascinating and incredible craftsmanship and engineering and architecture amazing, yeah.
00:36:23.000But then there's Egypt and you go shut the fuck up.
00:36:26.000That's nuts yeah, and I resent the idea that we're like taking it away from them.
00:36:30.000It's like let's just be logical about this and actually assess the toolkit and assess the capabilities and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.
00:36:37.000Also, we're not, because it's people that lived in the same place, so it's literally just the older versions of them.
00:36:42.000Right, it's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came and they did it all and then they flew back exactly.
00:36:56.000Clearly there were some amazing things that the Egyptians did during the accepted timeline.
00:37:02.000I mean, they were a fascinating culture, amazing all through till the end.
00:37:06.000Yeah right, but the when you go really far back, whatever that is is nuts.
00:37:12.000And when you're saying that you know exactly when it was dated, when there's so much evidence of just today, modern doing these reconstructions and fixing and all the the the, the feet of the sphinx and they're covering it with new fucking rocks, like they've always been doing renovations they always do.
00:37:30.000So all this stuff that you're saying, like you got a piece of wood from inside one of the cracks, like bitch, that doesn't mean anything exactly.
00:37:38.000No, unless you get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and take a chunk of organic material from deep underneath that thing so you can know when the first stones are placed.
00:37:48.000You don't know, you're guessing and I I think that that's why we're coming to a point now where there's such resistance from the mainstream when you see scans like this, because they've they've built themselves into a wall, it would you basically have to admit, yeah, we've just fucking wrong.
00:38:05.000You're also, like you know them, confronted by real evidence.
00:38:09.000Yeah, like real evidence, and like just when someone takes you for a walk inside the king's chamber and you look up at those stones that somehow they got, like how high are they in the sky?
00:38:33.000How tall is the ceiling inside the king's King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid?
00:38:40.000Because these things are perfectly placed in there.
00:38:43.000Even if you drag those somehow or another across the mountains for 500 miles and got it to the pyramid, how the fuck did you get it up there?
00:39:10.000You have to get these 80-ton blocks 19 feet and then place them perfectly.
00:39:16.000And there's absolutely, again, there's nothing kingly about the king's chamber at all.
00:39:21.000It's just completely a bare room of rose granite with this sarcophagus coming up out of the floor with a huge chunk missing.
00:39:30.000And actually, if you look at where that huge chunk is missing and you turn around and you look at the wall, there's actually a massive impact on the wall.
00:39:36.000There's like a big part of the wall that's been broken off.
00:39:38.000So it makes me wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off at some point from power or something.
00:40:14.000And also, I think some of the most impressive scientists and creators have been people on the fringe who were laughed at by all their peers.
00:40:21.000Well, especially now, because the way universities work is essentially there's a person that is the most important person in that field, right, at that university.
00:40:33.000And there's a bunch of people that want grants, and there's a bunch of people that want to play nice, they want their career, they want tenure, and you've got to be careful whose toes you step on.
00:40:40.000And if this one guy is the gatekeeper of it or a group of guys like him at various universities are the gatekeepers to this information, you're going to come up with the current bottleneck problem that we see, where people are not just unwilling, but aggressively attacking people to question this.
00:40:55.000Which is why they called Graham Hancock's show the most dangerous show on television.
00:41:10.000But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element of it, just how quickly the mainstream media in various outlets all aligned at once to call him everything from a racist to a pseudo-scientist to a conspiracy theorist.
00:41:24.000And, you know, it is an alarming kickback that he's taken in his stride profoundly.
00:42:15.000But he was, I think, the first real guest.
00:42:18.000Was there like a conscious decision for you to kind of like evolve it from just comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from a variety of subjects?
00:42:27.000Because I know you're a curious person.
00:42:28.000You've probably been researching these things even at the point before you were doing that kind of podcast because clearly you were.
00:42:34.000But yeah, what was the natural evolution of that for you?
00:42:36.000Well, I was always into books about ancient history and whether it's, you know, like modernly, you know, commonly accepted narrative or Graham Hancock stuff.
00:42:47.000But I got into Graham Hancock's stuff, I think in the 90s, Fingerprints of the Gods came out.
00:44:54.000Pinch of salt, but he claimed that he had been told this by a military guy out in Russia that they were in the rec room of this Air Force base.
00:45:05.000And apparently, this is according to this Russian astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow.
00:45:12.000And he said that this Yeti Sasquatch type being apparently just waltzed in, like just walked into their rec room, helped itself to some water from the water thing, waved, and then vanished.
00:50:20.000And I bet there's different states of mind that you would, If there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of a way that an intelligent creature can get to a point where it has the technology to access other dimensions.
00:51:02.000And we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception.
00:51:05.000You know, you get up the whole light spectrum and look at visible light, just this tiny corridor of visible light that we're able to see.
00:51:12.000Obviously, we've developed IR and, you know, different.
00:51:14.000And if you film the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit.
00:51:18.000You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by.
00:51:21.000And I think that it is a perceptual thing because the reason I even started my YouTube channel is because I've had my own experiences with UFO type phenomena that were entirely initiated by me.
00:51:37.000Like I asked for them to come and they did.
00:51:45.000But this is one of the things that people have been saying for a long time is that there's actual groups of people and there was even some guy who was like somehow or another connected to the government that was saying that they lead these people out.
00:51:59.000They go out into the desert and they have like some sort of a secret frequency.
00:52:05.000He didn't want to discuss it that they can push out.
00:52:08.000They can send out the secret frequency and it'll call them in and that other people have done it simply by willing them in.
00:53:00.000let me just take a sip of water so um this was uh how did he find out about it It's a good question.
00:53:09.000He had a near-death experience, I believe, and from that was actually apparently communicated to and shown things that when he came out of that experience, he became a samadhi type teacher.
00:53:24.000My origin story was I was really bored during COVID.
00:53:28.000So like honestly, though, it was actually in 2019 that I had these experiences.
00:53:32.000And I do think that it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well.
00:53:40.000And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot being in a high-stress environment in the forest.
00:54:21.000And he said, look, I'm out and this is a bit of a long story, but it's important to lay this foundation, I think, before I talk about what I actually experienced because it plays in.
00:54:31.000He was out in France at the time, and he said, Look, do you want to come out and stay at this place with me and just, you know, kind of relax and bring yourself back to normal?
00:55:12.000He, you know, was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident, became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet, but was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God, and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in the morning and was having voices literally telling him to write things down.
00:55:26.000And so he wrote all of this down, and this became conversations with God.
00:55:29.000It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions and him receiving answers, which he interpreted as from God.
00:55:35.000Now, that is intense, and I'm definitely not here to say this is a Bible and everyone should read it.
00:55:39.000However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time.
00:55:42.000The things that I was reading about, it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud-living figure that just never made sense to me.
00:55:52.000So it got me in, and I was reading it, and it helped tremendously, weirdly enough, which I didn't expect.
00:55:58.000And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and science and consciousness.
00:56:04.000And that's where it really started for me.
00:56:07.000But then a couple of years down the line, I found myself in another depression, in a sense, because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various different topics that I thought were like these big questions and big answers and big esoteric things.
00:56:19.000And I just got to a point where I was like, none of this is actually helping me in my life.
00:56:22.000In fact, I'm actually feeling like fucking worse for looking into all of this thing.
00:56:26.000I don't know how this is going to benefit me.
00:56:28.000So I was sitting on my bed one night and I just, I guess you could call it a prayer.
00:56:32.000I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe, like, I need something that validates all of this.
00:56:39.000Like, if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture questions about the universe and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like I need to know and I want evidence and I'm ready for it.
00:57:13.000And then near the end of that is when he brings up this concept of CE5, you know, initiating contact with these.
00:57:20.000You can actually have your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative state.
00:57:25.000If I hadn't been making that request on my bed the week prior, I probably just would have watched that documentary and gone about my life.
00:57:33.000But it felt like a very strong message to me personally because I've been asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness.
00:57:40.000Now there's a guy saying, yeah, you can actually have an experience by going out and attempting to ask for one.
00:57:47.000So talk me through the process of actually doing that.
00:57:57.000It was a weird, gradual thing where things were happening in the sky that were enough to keep me going out, but not enough for me to be like, okay, this is legit.
00:58:07.000So how many times did you go out before it worked?
00:58:10.000Before I saw what I really, really saw, probably about a month of going out.
00:58:24.000Lots of what the contact community call flash bulbs, flashes of light in the night sky in a void of space repeatedly without any discernible object attached to it, just one flash and then send a thought, another flash, send a thought, another flash.
00:59:14.000But I was, um, I was essentially, because of, again, being asking, asking the universe for something, the universe seemed to be giving me some sort of response.
00:59:24.000It kind of lit a fire up under me and I started going outside.
00:59:27.000And honestly, a lot of people, like even Grier, has this incredibly, you know, complicated method using Samadhi and doing various things.
00:59:36.000I just breathed in through the nose and out through the mouth until I felt very calm and then began to very clearly model my thoughts around the concept of I want something to respond to me.
00:59:47.000And then I would essentially visualize that that was emanating from me, that these thoughts were emanating from me.
00:59:53.000And it didn't take very long before I'd have flashes of light in the sky that just seemed weird because I've never seen anything like that.
00:59:59.000Or an incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites, but just at an incredibly high level.
01:00:05.000Where it's just like, what's going on here?
01:00:07.000And it just felt like a kind of step-by-step progression until in August of 2019, I had four incredibly vivid and real experiences with orange orbs of light.
01:00:28.000It was in the summer of August and it was relatively warm.
01:00:31.000So I was out doing this quite a lot, seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky, trying to figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing.
01:00:38.000And I was standing at the back of my garden looking towards my house, night sky, crystal clear.
01:00:45.000And I saw at the beginning a flash of light in the corner of the sky.
01:00:49.000So I looked over and I saw this flash, another flash, another flash, and it was just blinking, but it was static in space.
01:03:06.000As it's directly above my head, this cloud sucked into itself as if there was a central vacuum, a central point where it just got sucked into itself.
01:03:16.000And it revealed a triangle formation of about 25, maybe 30 orange orbs of light in a triangle.
01:03:27.000And this triangle, basically the cloud went, shh, triangle was revealed.
01:03:34.000I had to turn around and watch as it went off in this direction.
01:03:37.000And as I was watching it, I could see that some of these orbs were actually swapping formation, swapping position in this formation.
01:03:47.000And that was the first time I saw them.
01:03:49.000I saw them on three other occasions, all within the space of a month after this.
01:03:53.000Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day, and this is the only element of the story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds, it's the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable.
01:04:03.000I was getting out of the shower, and as I was drying myself off, immediately, immediately noticed where this tattoo is now.
01:04:10.000There was a triangle mark of three red marks, one here, one here, one here.
01:06:14.000I would say whatever that is on your arm, who knows?
01:06:16.000Maybe a dermatologist could explain it.
01:06:18.000It's just a coincidence, but the actual thing itself is far more interesting to me.
01:06:23.000And like, because one of the things that people always say is: if they were out there, what wouldn't we see them?
01:06:29.000Like, God, if they could come here from another dimension, or if they can come here from another planet or another solar system, don't you think they could probably hide?
01:07:47.000So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that.
01:07:50.000Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that where someone actually attached the flight paths of each object so you can see the flight path?
01:08:32.000So if you just take it back to the beginning of that, and this is where they've attached the flight paths, and you will see complete 90-degree turns.
01:08:39.000You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change.
01:08:55.000Like the things they find at these volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean.
01:08:59.000They're like, oh, we didn't even know that something could survive down here.
01:09:02.000There could be a type of life that survives in the void of space.
01:09:06.000And it wouldn't be a biological thing.
01:09:08.000It would be some form of energy or light.
01:09:11.000This is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom DeLong when he went to the Pentagon that there's amoebas in space the size of whales and like, you know, that these things were essential.
01:09:20.000Yeah, I remember when he was on Fade to Black and he was talking about, you know, that there are these amoebas in space that are like, you know, a couple of things.
01:10:13.000I think with Tom DeLong and the UFO subject and Tudor Stars Academy and all the things that have happened since like 2017 New York Times, I have opinions on it because I think I might be the first guest that you've had on that wasn't already quite established.
01:10:29.000So I've had to work my way up through social media, through the interactions in the community, to personal relations with people that aren't big names or anything like that.
01:10:41.000So I've seen and been exposed to things that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbel and others who are already quite big names haven't seen because they're too big.
01:10:48.000They don't need to be on social media looking at fucking comments or like what's going on in the X space.
01:10:53.000But if you are like that, you start to notice things.
01:10:56.000And so what's interesting to me, despite what anyone wants to say about Stephen Greer, and I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer, what's interesting to me is that the only person really who was making noise prior to TTSA was Stephen Greer.
01:11:10.000He was the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries that were getting seen by millions of people all over the world.
01:11:15.000And he was saying, you know, these are black budget illegal programs.
01:11:20.000This is an anti-congressional crime against humanity.
01:12:07.000And Tom DeLong's on Fade to Black in, I want to say 2015, talking about this, where he tells a story of how a friend of his at Lockheed Martin calls him up and says, hey, we're having a family and friends meet and greet over at Lockheed Martin.
01:12:22.000Would you want to introduce the bosses to the stage?
01:12:26.000And he said, yeah, but I want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards.
01:12:32.000And so he went and he introduced them on stage.
01:12:34.000And then he tells a story of being taken through, you know, these white noise corridors and down into this place where eventually he was chilling with the guys at Skunk Works and, you know, these big directors are all sitting in this room.
01:12:45.000They're like, okay, what is it you want to talk about?
01:12:47.000This is where he pitches Two to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and this framework.
01:12:52.000And what's interesting is on the radio when he's talking about this, he's saying, you have to approach these guys like you want to be of service.
01:12:59.000You know, I was saying, I'm being of service.
01:13:27.000And what you get from there is the Two to Stars Academy platform.
01:13:31.000Suddenly you have this official kind of green lit disclosure, very soft disclosure that's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure.
01:13:38.000And we're all being encouraged to partake and support in this very, what should we say, curated method of soft disclosure for the people.
01:13:48.000I think that they were very worried about what type of disruptive truths might come out before it was time to talk about them.
01:13:54.000And then suddenly Tom DeLong was a very useful medium for communicating this.
01:13:58.000When you see things like the WikiLeaks emails between him and John Podesta, where he's literally saying this is about bolstering PR for the military industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth and the generations of youth today don't trust the government.
01:14:13.000We want to change the perception of the military and the government.
01:14:16.000He's literally emailing John Podesta about this.
01:14:18.000So it's very clear that at the very least he was willing to be the messenger of whatever message they wanted to give him.
01:14:26.000And it just so happens that that message completely counteracts what Greer is talking about in terms of classified black budget programs that have already cracked reverse engineering.
01:14:33.000We cracked anti-gravity in October 1954.
01:15:21.000It's like it's kind of a smart way to do it, right?
01:15:24.000Do it in a documentary, have all these people that are probably implicated in some way say we need amnesty.
01:15:30.000All these people that say that they know about these programs, amnesty is important because people have been.
01:15:37.000But what they've been doing, really, if they have been doing what we assume they've been doing, we assume they've retrieved crashed UFOs and they've back engineered them.
01:15:46.000We assume they've used that technology.
01:15:48.000We assume they're aware that there's non-human intelligences that are far beyond our technological capabilities and that we interact with them.
01:15:56.000You've committed a crime against humanity by not telling people that.
01:16:01.000Because we all operate under the assumption that we have an understanding of what our role is in this ecosystem of life.
01:16:13.000And if our role is not even remotely at the apex, if we are being visited and manipulated, and if we're actually a product of experiments, you should fucking tell us.
01:16:27.000You guys can't be hanging out at Raytheon in the fucking conference.
01:17:01.000The more important thing is, let's find out if this is real.
01:17:04.000That's more important than everything.
01:17:05.000For the race, for the human race, the entire human race.
01:17:09.000And for science and technology, to have all this stuff locked down like that and not allow the great young minds that are coming up right now to have access to this is crazy.
01:17:21.000You're wasting one of the most valuable resources that we have with secrecy.
01:17:26.000I think there's so many different reasons why they might want to keep this a secret in terms of breakthrough energy and propulsion systems.
01:17:32.000Like there's so many different implications to that, right?
01:17:56.000This guy was, one of the more disturbing theories he had was that not only is the shift of the magnetic poles that here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.
01:18:09.000But his take on it was that the shift of the magnetic poles is necessary in order to maintain, well, I don't want to fuck it up.
01:18:20.000Well, like a natural Earth cycle that has to happen.
01:18:22.000I'm sorry, I'm trying to think and look it up at the same time.
01:19:46.000So when I say that the Earth's magnetic field has remained roughly constant, what I mean is if you look over long-ish time scales, its magnitude is roughly constant.
01:20:13.000And there's even interesting stories you can tell about how those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field correlate with many ice ages and things like this.
01:20:23.000But the idea is that if you average over these periodic reversals or fluctuations, the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant.
01:20:36.000And the idea is that if there was no induction, if there was no dynamo working, you and I wouldn't be talking, right?
01:20:45.000The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly, right, in within 10 to the 5 years.
01:20:50.000The Earth would be left without a magnetic field, and the Earth's magnetic field protected from cosmic radiation.
01:20:57.000And if you were open to that radiation, well, you wouldn't be here, like I said, nor would I. Thank you very much.
01:22:17.000So it's like this place was buried, maybe.
01:22:20.000A lot of earth push up and submerged into the ground.
01:22:23.000Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval.
01:22:27.000And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example, is that prior to the, well, at the end of the last glacial maximum, around 19,000 years ago, when the Earth started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically stable corridors.
01:22:44.000And Peru was one of those areas which was actually quite climatologically stable.
01:22:49.000So at the end of the LGM, the last glacial maximum, to the Younger Dryas, it's about 6,000 plus, 6,000 in change.
01:22:59.000We've taken ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers in less than 150 years.
01:23:04.000So the idea that areas of the world that had stability for about 6,000 years couldn't create something incredible, and then the Younger Dryas comes and it takes it all away for the most part, it's very provocative in Peru because of, again, the existence of the inca structures that are very quite pristine, actually, and still standing, very simple, and yet they are surrounded by broken megaliths and multi-ton structures that have gone through incredible damage.
01:23:32.000And what I was getting at when I was saying about that area is the way the stones are interlocked would protect it against earthquakes.
01:23:39.000Yeah, dissipate the force through all of these different areas.
01:23:41.000It allows for the force, for the kinetic force, to dissipate through the structure instead of it being focused and blowing apart one area of it.
01:23:47.000So it's clearly done for the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of force.
01:23:52.000Where would they get that type of a concept from?
01:24:09.000It was a deep research into cycles, great cycles of cataclysmic destruction on Earth, by a guy called, his name was Chan Thomas, but I think that was a pseudonym or a faint, not real name.
01:24:19.000And he actually had at the beginning of it, like a series of people he had listed who, without whom this book would not be possible.
01:24:26.000And it was like, you know, top five-star generals.
01:24:30.000So, you know, this guy had the, you know, Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story.
01:24:33.000It's all about this great cyclical cataclysm that does take place every, what was it, like 12,000 years or something like that.
01:24:41.000And that the ancients had a knowledge of this.
01:24:42.000And I think that this is something that we will probably begin to realize is that somewhere in deep antiquity, there was a level of knowledge that is very contradictory to what we understand now.
01:24:52.000And I think places like Peru, places like Egypt and others, Malta, Gobekli, Tepe, of course, it's becoming very palpable that there was something before this.
01:25:01.000Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature, when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers and those warming periods, is there a uniform time in between those spikes?
01:26:36.000Obviously, it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean that there's not a force that's all connected and working in harmony.
01:26:47.000I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very interesting, because it's this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure could in some way create consciousness inside of it.
01:26:56.000And we don't understand where consciousness comes from.
01:26:59.000So it's very open to the idea of possibility.
01:27:02.000And, you know, I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists like Dr. Salvatore Pais.
01:27:06.000He's the guy that was responsible for the UFO and US Navy UFO patents that got put out a few years back, like underwater, undersea plasmic generators and things like this.
01:27:18.000He was a US Space Force engineer, and he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own.
01:27:28.000But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma.
01:27:57.000So why would they are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?
01:28:02.000I think that there's things within plasma physics that are so novel and exotic, like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science that they're studying.
01:28:13.000Have you ever heard of the Sapphire Project?
01:28:17.000Hal Putov got involved with it for a minute, where they're claiming to bottle the stars and they're creating these plasmic, you know, self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could transform metals from one metal into gold or transmutation of elements and complete revolution of propulsion and energy.
01:29:06.000What if they had gotten to it's not impossible to assume like if the earth creates gold, it's not impossible to think that we could take the elements of the earth and create gold as well.
01:30:23.000So, but I mean, if you, if gold was a valuable, if it was about a valuable part of technology, which it is, and it had conducting aspects to it, it's very conducive or it's very good at conducting.
01:30:42.000Particle accelerators like CERN's Large Hadron Collider achieve this by slamming lead nuclei together in near-miss collisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields that eject three protons from the lead, 82 protons to form gold, 79 protons.
01:31:54.000Isn't there some translations that are from the old Sumerian Babylonian text where it's kind of like we were made to mine gold for the money?
01:32:04.000Yeah, Zacharias Hitchin, though, is very controversial.
01:32:07.000I'm too stupid to know who's right, but I do know that I always, when I talk about Zachariah, I always talk about the website sitchiniswrong.com.
01:32:15.000So there's a website where it seems like he was the only one that was buying into that.
01:32:20.000And, you know, when I talked to Wes Huff, he doesn't even think that Zachariah Sitchin could actually read Sumerian.
01:33:16.000And the only people that really know are the people that are that deep into it that they can read it as well.
01:33:22.000And they don't seem to agree with him.
01:33:24.000But at the end of the day, whatever was going on over in that part of the world, they had a lot of discussions of things that came from the sky.
01:33:34.000They had a detailed map of the solar system, which is very weird.
01:33:38.000A 5,000-plus-year-old detailed map of the solar system with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.
01:35:42.000Well, it's like there's like snippets, isn't there, from the black and white days, 1920s, where the Smithsonian kind of very quickly covered things up.
01:36:48.000The implications of our ancient history and what exactly was taking place.
01:36:53.000I am fascinated by some areas that seem to have a level of kind of like theologic reference to them.
01:36:58.000So, you know, the Book of Enoch and the Watchers.
01:37:01.000And they descend down on Mount Hermon in Baalbek, right?
01:37:04.000So that's Baalbek, which is Baal Beck, the lord of the Becca Valley, and Baal, the storm god, like the one that everyone, you know, talks about the sacrifices to Baal.
01:37:14.000It's also the place that has these insane trillion stones.
01:37:31.000It's like, you know, somewhere like this.
01:37:33.000So you've got this weird story about this is basically 30 miles away from there is Mount Hermon, where the watchers apparently came down from the sky.
01:37:41.000And then you've got these impossible blocks in this, and the quarry there as well.
01:37:46.000The quarry there, you have like the stone of the pregnant woman, which is like 1,250 tons.
01:37:51.000And there's another one there that's like 1,500 tons.
01:37:54.000Like these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready, and they've just been documented in situ.
01:37:59.000But then, yeah, 300 meters up the road or less is the Temple of Jupiter, which again, mainstream academics will attribute to first century Romans.
01:38:08.000But the first century Romans had like wooden pulleys and like little wooden cranes.
01:40:23.000So it's weird that we attribute it to Romans, but it's because we, within our model for history, we can't not, if we're going to listen to academics, right?
01:40:32.000So you have to then invoke fringe theories.
01:40:51.000But when I started reading it, now if that was included in the Bible, if they had, because it really was rabbis that decided that it didn't jive with the Torah, right?
01:41:28.000Why ignoring the stuff that seems the most kooky?
01:41:31.000Again, I think that there's probably maybe disagreements because, I mean, you know, there's so much change for the biblical canon from all of these different councils like the Council of Nicaea, all these different censorings and changing Of the Bible, it's probably personal issue.
01:41:48.000It could be something as simple as just someone who personally did not believe that.
01:45:10.000I mean, it's such a quantum leap in our ability of cognition and the brain size.
01:45:14.000I mean, I do find the stoned ape theory very interesting and the concept of using psychedelics.
01:45:20.000And I think there's a role to play in that for sure.
01:45:21.000But I just think that when you have such a novel trajectory change from every other creature, every other animal on this planet, that tells me that there is something fundamentally accelerated in humans.
01:45:34.000And whether that can just be put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't know.
01:45:38.000I think that when you invoke again all of these various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something was interfacing with us.
01:45:43.000And perhaps at one point we were interfacing with them.
01:45:47.000And there was a communication and a relation that has since long degraded after, you know, cataclysmic outreaches.
01:45:54.000I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and primitive man was the escape from the barbaric nature of our roots.
01:46:04.000don't think it's necessarily the development of the human brain I think it's probably a way to also a way to use the human brain with its primate background but soften the ego right Right?
01:46:19.000And endorse a feeling of community, like promote a feeling of community and love and the connectiveness that you get from psychedelics.
01:46:26.000It will allow you to traverse the timelines between incredibly barbaric hunter-gatherers with stone-tip tools to agrarian societies where people are all living together and cooperating.
01:47:03.000Are we a product of genetic manipulation?
01:47:05.000Are we a product of accelerated evolution?
01:47:08.000Well, again, my own experience is I just feel like there is quite obviously a vast intelligence spectrum out there, in my opinion.
01:47:19.000And I think it goes beyond our own perception of space and time.
01:47:22.000And I think that there are likely things that can come in from, you know, realms that we just don't really believe are real, like the astral and even the realm of the imagination is an interesting thing.
01:47:34.000What is this place inside of our heads that we can instantaneously create anything we want?
01:47:38.000And all things, including everything on this table, once came from inside someone's mind.
01:47:42.000Like we are excretors of ideas into reality.
01:47:45.000We kind of render reality into something that nothing else does.
01:47:49.000And I think that there is a spark within us that speaks to what people would call a divine spark for sure.
01:48:02.000And I do think that as we begin to get deeper and deeper into kind of the physics of our reality and our fundamental connection to it, we start realizing that our physiology, our body is like an antenna.
01:48:40.000No, so I did an interview with an anesthesiologist called Stuart Hamroff and him and Sir Roger Penrose developed a model called the Orchestrated Objective Reduction Theory or Ork OR looking at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures inside our neurons.
01:48:58.000And I forget the exact metric, but it's something ridiculous, like 10,000 microtubules per neuron.
01:49:04.000So it's just, you know, this incredible architecture of these tiny little helical structures that apparently are so small that they interact with quantum vibrations in fields.
01:49:15.000And the reason I bring this up is because I think that we're getting deeper now with things like the Orc OR theory into looking at the structures within humanity that actually seem to be receiving nodes or receptive nodes for energy that could then be translated into consciousness.
01:49:30.000The whole idea of are we generating consciousness from our brain or are we receiving consciousness and we're just a conduit for it.
01:49:38.000And I think the evidence is getting a little bit more clearer that we're a conduit.
01:49:42.000And I just wonder if that's evolution naturally or if that's interaction from these others that have come and meddled with our genealogy.
01:49:50.000It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when I come back from peeing.
01:49:58.000Well, Jamie brought something up, which is a really interesting video that I took when I was out in Saqqara in Egypt, again with Jeffrey Drum.
01:50:28.000That's actually calcite crystal and that's limestone.
01:50:31.000Now the entire back of this chamber, like this wall, the back wall, the other wall and the ceiling and the floor is made out of a slab of calcite crystal.
01:50:40.000But what's really interesting about this is that when you take a flashlight and you put it in a certain angle on this wall, something very interesting appears.
01:50:54.000An otherwise invisible etching of an individual.
01:51:00.000You can see the navel, the belly button, and the arms.
01:51:04.000And this is completely invisible until you get that flashlight.
01:51:07.000Now these have been actually smoothed.
01:51:10.000Let me go promo for my episode, but these have actually been smoothed into the calcite crystal itself.
01:51:17.000And then obviously these Aramaic writings and pictographs have been scratched on afterwards.
01:51:22.000So clearly, this is the original artwork of this chamber, but it's not perceptible without a very specific angle of light that creates the shadows.
01:51:33.000And these are on the other side of the wall as well.
01:51:35.000I think in this clip, maybe he doesn't show it.
01:51:40.000Now, this entire pyramid is acoustically profound.
01:51:44.000I mean, the acoustics inside of this are unbelievable, the amount of echo that you get.
01:51:51.000And the entire Saqqara site, we went around it.
01:51:54.000And I mean, my God, it's a weird sight, man.
01:51:56.000You've got, again, just incredibly huge slabs of rose quartz granite.
01:52:02.000And there's one area that's like on the other side of the pyramid, not even near the entrance, which is just this huge port cullis made of granite with interlocking pieces where clearly another piece of stone was slid between them.
01:52:14.000But this is nowhere even connected to the pyramid infrastructure.
01:52:20.000Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of granite with drill holes in them.
01:52:24.000You can see the striation marks going all the way through them.
01:52:28.000And his opinion, Jeffrey's, and I think there's merit to it because in Cairo Museum, there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment, like jugs and apothecary bottles that were recovered from Saqqara, including a little plate.
01:53:49.000So maybe they didn't even know that these things were down there when they went.
01:53:53.000There's another part of this when you're going through the chambers where it's rose granite, rose granite, and then plaster where you've got hieroglyphics pot on the top, and you can actually see the plasters kind of bleeding off into the rose granite.
01:54:07.000They, you know, put their own veneration around it, but it was not an original structure of the Egyptians.
01:54:11.000Once again, a place that they found and settled around.
01:54:14.000But it's just weird that in the Cairo Museum, you have like this tiny little shelf full of beakers and measuring jug type things, and it says that the lab complex of Saqqara.
01:54:25.000It just doesn't make any sense in comparison to what they're trying to tell us is the reality of this place.
01:55:00.000Well, you know what's interesting is that they were.
01:55:04.000So these things are absolutely incredible.
01:55:07.000And there's a few questions with this.
01:55:09.000One, if you go onto that image, zoom out, just go to that image on the right where you've got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this one here.
01:55:16.000So this is, you know, this is the entrance into the Serapium or the Serapium, however you want to pronounce it.
01:55:20.000It's a subterranean labyrinth, and these corridors are extremely small.
01:55:24.000There's actually a half-finished, a half-finished one sitting in the middle of a corridor, and you can kind of really get a scope for the size.
01:55:32.000But these are 70-ton, 70-to-80-ton granite sarcophagi.
01:55:41.000They say that there was a cult around this region that venerated the Apis Bulls, and that these were burial chambers for the Apis Bulls.
01:55:48.000But you know, you know what's funny about that is the only thing that they have to evidence this is no bones of bulls or anything like that.
01:55:56.000What they have is a single hieroglyph on one of these boxes of a bull.
01:56:03.000They have a hieroglyph with a bull on it, and that's why they attribute it to the apis bulls.
01:56:07.000Regardless of the fact that these are precision-carved, 80-to-you know, 70 to 80-ton granite, marble-top-smoothed boxes with even more precision inside.
01:56:16.000They're even more precise on the inside, which is strange.
01:56:19.000You wouldn't necessarily need them to be that precise if they're just funerary boxes.
01:56:23.000But the precision is actually more impressive internally than it is externally.
01:56:28.000How long would it take to make one of those?
01:57:46.000I mean, a lot of history of human beings doing that to ancient things.
01:57:50.000Yeah, if you go on that third image, actually, that's an interesting image because you've got these such low quality, that's a shame.
01:57:56.000But you can actually see these dimples where they've smoothed out the stone.
01:57:59.000And what's weird about this is that, so if these were funerary boxes, you would expect the external to be the most impressive because that's what people are going to see, right?
01:58:07.000But instead, you actually have a lot of malformation on the boxes.
01:58:11.000And one of the theories about this, and this is something that there we go, it's a good example of this.
01:58:15.000One of the theories about this is one that Jeffrey Drum brought up for me: is that whatever was going on inside of these cases, the exterior had to have absolutely zero critical imperfections.
01:58:27.000So any cracks, anything that was problematic, would have been dissolved out, smoothed away.
01:58:33.000And you have this weird kind of dimpling on a lot of these, and somewhere you can actually see a crack where the crack's been removed and it's been kind of smoothed out.
01:58:41.000And then inside, it's like 90-degree just perfect.
01:58:46.000And so it just kind of contradicts the idea of it being for the you know a funerary purpose.
01:58:50.000You'd expect the outside to be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not.
01:58:54.000It's all kind of malshaped and as if they were trying to remove any sort of cracks, anything that could cause a structural problem.
01:59:03.000So it does make me wonder about the real purpose behind this.
01:59:07.000Why are you assuming that it would be cracks?
01:59:09.000Why wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a need to finish the top of it?
01:59:13.000Because they're not finished carpentry.
01:59:15.000Well, some of them are finished quite profoundly.
01:59:17.000And then you have others that have got these big dimples in them where it just looks like they were trying to remove anything that might have been a critical damage to the structure.
01:59:31.000The purpose of that would be to keep it from cracking all the way.
01:59:33.000To keep it from cracking all the way through.
01:59:35.000I just find it very interesting that the inside is more impressive than the outside for something that's meant to be viewed as a funerary box for an enormous funerary box.
01:59:50.000I mean, one of them that I find interesting is the idea that they could be like some form of a sound bath, like an isolatory chamber where they would go into and have like some form of experiences.
02:00:00.000You got to count on someone to move that fucking thing?
02:00:02.000Like, you know, there's such a strong evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the ancient past, especially archaeoacoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself, like the pyramids, they're designed to resonate.
02:00:18.000Like one of the most, sorry, one of the most interesting places that I've been to in terms of looking at the acoustics of places as well is Malta, the island of Malta.
02:00:30.000And the island of Malta is very interesting because when the Bronze Age settlers from Sicily and other areas of Italy came over to Malta for the first time, they discovered an island that was absolutely littered with megalithic sites.
02:00:42.000And Malta has got the highest concentration of megalithic sites in the world, but there were no people.
02:01:17.000This is all carved out of the limestone.
02:01:20.000And it is an overlapping geometric series of chambers that is so obviously acoustically tuned that if you actually wanted to search hypergeum acoustics, it will come up with studies where they've noticed that this is absolutely a deliberately acoustically tuned complex.
02:01:43.000Whether or not it's entirely accurate, someone's comparing the hypergeum to the human ear.
02:01:48.000Specifically, because of the fact that this place absolutely is acoustically tuned to resonate between 110 and 115 Hertz, which is the bandwidth to activate certain brain states like alpha and theta brain, where you can get into more meditative states of consciousness.
02:02:03.000And only 20% of this site is accessible to the public, 70% of it's locked off, and they treat it like a skiff.
02:02:10.000They take your phone, they take your camera, you can't bring any audio recording devices into it, nothing.
02:02:14.000Very curated tour for like, you know, 30 minutes and then out.
02:02:29.000And again, this speaks to what was going on in prehistory because this is an acoustically profound series of chambers that have been carved out of the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute bone antler tools to.
02:02:42.000They were chipping away at it with bone antler tools and they made something as profound.
02:02:45.000So when you say prehistoric, they dated to, I think, about 5,000 years ago.
02:04:21.000Very much in the geopolitical world stage.
02:04:24.000And a friend of mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring out this book once a year in the Valletta Museum.
02:04:31.000And it's detailing the skulls of the hypergeum and apparently tells a story of how the locals would throw bodies down there because there are beings down there that they wanted to prevent from coming up to the surface.
02:04:45.000And this is the strange thing: the hypergeum is full of normal human bodies, hundreds, not buried with respect, but just piled down there.
02:05:36.000I don't know but the well I mean in terms very strange that there's the hypergium itself is human skeletons down there Oh, yeah I mean, I did find a profound amount of them, which is why the mainstream labels it as a necropolis.
02:05:48.000But there's no burial respect being done.
02:05:50.000It was just piles of bodies, like piles of bodies, dude.
02:06:00.000The acoustic description I found here.
02:06:03.000These two paragraphs, I guess it's going to be a little long, but it's not that long.
02:06:05.000During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogeum, creating bone-chilling effects.
02:06:13.000It was reported that the sounds echoed for up to eight seconds.
02:06:16.000Archaeologist Fernando Combria or Combra Coimbra said that he felt the sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation of relaxation.
02:06:29.000When it was repeated, the sensation returned, and he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on the walls.
02:06:39.000One can only imagine the experience in antiquity, standing in what must have been somewhat odorous, dark, and listening to ritual chant while low light flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones.
02:07:03.000He goes on to state, yeah, under right circumstances, ancient populations were able to obtain different states of consciousness without the use of drugs or chemical substances.
02:07:11.000Or maybe in the middle of the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and binaural beats, way, way before we were around.
02:08:45.000But that same type of geometry is also found in the hypergeum and it's found in red ochre on the painting, these swirling, these swirling kind of motifs.
02:09:04.000Yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics, the flow of movement and sound.
02:09:09.000And that was perhaps their interpretation or perhaps they had a visual hallucination that gave them the idea of it being this kind of like swirling pattern.
02:09:19.000And there's just some striking similarities between places like this and places in Malta.
02:09:24.000So again, it just leads into the idea that there was perhaps a globally maritime connected civilization that was using these psycho-acoustic attributions in sites to produce novel effects of consciousness, inducing brain hemisphere synchronization, just like they're trying to do in My Ass with the CIA.
02:10:24.000But the implication of it being about sound is very interesting when you find it represented in places that are absolutely acoustically tuned from prehistory.
02:10:43.000I mean, this one in Malta, they haven't done this, but you do definitely seem to find layering, like Gunam Padang in Indonesia, where you have like the original structure below and people are just piling up on top of it over time.
02:10:53.000So in Chavende Hunta in Peru, you have this amazing temple site, but below ground is a labyrinth of corridors that also propagate acoustics to the point where it brings up infrasound.
02:11:03.000So below this is an infrasonic laboratory essentially of labyrinthian passages that we used for ritual acoustics.
02:11:10.000And they actually found inside of this conch shells that had been purposefully re-engineered to produce a new harmonic when blown into them.
02:11:17.000Like they had actually changed them into a different harmonic.
02:11:19.000So they'd go in the acoustic chambers and below the conch shells.
02:11:23.000And someone would obviously be walking through this, perhaps as a form of rite of passage.
02:11:35.000Yeah, so, you know, it's not incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce infrasonic reverberation.
02:11:41.000They have proven that and looked it up.
02:11:43.000And yeah, the conch shells were found there that have got all of these designs on them and have been purposefully changed to produce a different sound.
02:11:50.000So there is a clear lineage of acoustic science way before acoustic science was acoustic science, you know, at least to our terms.
02:11:59.000And the fact that it was influencing consciousness, I think that we just had an incredibly intelligent but shamanically orientated society at one point.
02:12:07.000You know, we were using our human ingenuity, but we were using it to create effects more spiritually aligned than anything else.
02:12:15.000And, you know, these are all chambers for inducing expanded states of consciousness.
02:12:20.000The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing for the construction?
02:12:24.000That's the real question, especially when you get to the megalithic stuff.
02:12:54.000Like, there's a place in Peru called the Coricancha, which is like the kind of main temple in Cusco, the sun temple.
02:13:01.000And, you know, these precision, there's various layers of architecture in Peru, albeit it's all being attributed to the Inca, which is weird.
02:13:09.000Rough-cut stonework, then the weird megalithic kind of smushed together stones.
02:13:15.000Then you have what's called ashla stonework, which is where it's like a bunker.
02:13:22.000It's spelt with a q q o r I k a n c h, a Corricancha, um.
02:13:30.000If you look it up like and and look in yeah, so you have to go inside it really to really get this um, the bunkers inside of it, these.
02:13:39.000Look at the wall on the outside actually real quick before you do that.
02:13:41.000Um, if you click on one of these images and just enlarge it um uh, the third, the first one's probably the best one yeah, so that's ashlar stonework.
02:13:52.000This was built by the conquistadors right, the rest of it's been built up by the conquistadors from Spain, but this original stonework is also represented inside with these incredible bunkers.
02:14:02.000So if you type in like bunker, it's got yeah like um, this image here, like I, the level of precision on these is is absolutely phenomenal.
02:14:13.000I mean, we're talking just complete precise, fitting stones, not globular like saxia woman, like marshmallows, but just precise blocks like these bunkers here.
02:14:24.000And then they built a, you know, a Spanish Inspired temple over the top of it.
02:14:29.000Um, so what you're asserting is that this was here first.
02:14:31.000Yes yeah yeah this, this stuff, it was here first, like this stuff was absolutely here first and if you look up, there's an.
02:14:36.000There's a little nub, little stone nub, right at the top there, and they but some of these walls have like 10 nubs on them, like one here, one here, one here, and then there's none.
02:14:45.000So it's like they were smoothing out some of them, leaving others.
02:14:48.000Some have speculated that it's a form of language, because in Peru, the Inca do you know what the Inca language was, their like written language?
02:14:56.000It was called Quipu and it wasn't written.
02:14:58.000It was pieces of string with knots on them in different colors.
02:15:01.000That was, that was their historical language.
02:15:03.000So it was literally like a line of different strings, different lengths, different colors, with little knots in them which corresponded to data, and most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadors because they went over there and was like, burn this shit, burn this pagan nonsense.
02:15:17.000Yeah, this is, this was their language.
02:15:40.000So it's almost like it's it's meant to tell us something and they're left in very specific areas.
02:15:45.000Then in Peru you get stone nubs protruding straight out of bedrock.
02:15:49.000That's what weirds me out is that it's not just on the crafted stones but like a sheer rock face that's been obviously kind of quarried down by some unknown technique, without any chisel marks, just straight, and then you have like a group of nubs coming out of the stone.
02:16:04.000So Peru is is just full of contradictory architecture.
02:16:08.000And I think that you know you, the Spanish went over there and they saw places like Saxewamon and they attributed to the Inca.
02:16:16.000The Inca the, the Andean shamans, say it's not the incandescent.
02:16:19.000The Inca themselves to the Spanish Conquistador said, we found these places.
02:16:24.000But we take the words of the Spanish conquistadors and we apply it to our knowledge set and we teach that and it's just like I was saying to you before, we're basing so much of our History off of like the word of people from like the 1800s, when clearly we're seeing contradictions of that, even in, as Graham Hancock would certainly say, the oral traditions of the local region.
02:16:42.000The people are saying differently, but we're listening to the foreigners who went over there and destroyed things and burnt things and burnt the keeper and went back and taught us what their civilization is all about.
02:17:38.000He's got videos of it, like drone footage.
02:17:39.000It's like one of the places where you could actually still be a real explorer and find it.
02:17:43.000Yeah, if you want to go off into the Andean mountains, like he's finding stuff in the Andes, high up in the mountains that nobody's documented.
02:17:52.000He's a real, you know, real adventurer, but it just proves that, yeah, like you said, there are still places like this where you can do discovery.
02:18:01.000And then obviously you have the Amazon rainforest and like, you know, all of the things that could be in there through LiDAR.
02:18:06.000We're already seeing so much geometry, so much evidence that there was a massive amount of civilization going on in that jungle.
02:18:11.000So, you know, this is getting very interesting to me.
02:18:15.000And again, this weird climatological stability through the last glacial maximum to the younger dryest, this period of about 6,000 years where they had access to development without being disturbed.
02:18:26.000So, you know, you have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earthquake megalithic structures in Peru using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use, using multi-ton stones.
02:18:35.000That's an interesting area, although I will say that it's made out of tough, which is volcanic rock, very easy to cut because it's actually compressed ash.
02:18:43.000So that's a really cool place, but it's not as mind-blowing in terms of how they cut the rock because it's extremely soft rock.
02:18:57.000In fact, if we could, could you go on my YouTube channel real quick?
02:19:03.000There's an area in Saxawaman which has got a diorite outcrop, which is incredibly hard stone.
02:19:09.000There's a measurement of hardness scale that goes up to 10 with diamond being the hardest and diorite sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10, whereas bronze sits at 3 to 3.5 out of 10.
02:19:20.000So, you know, there's a discrepancy with the hardness of the material to start with.
02:19:24.000But yes, there's, if you go back to the beginning, sorry, I wish I could see the screen.
02:19:37.000I'll talk about this and it will come up in a moment, I'm sure.
02:19:40.000But all across Peru, you have these incredibly precise cuts into bedrock with very little evidence of any sort of chisel marks and no real understanding of how they were able to excavate it.
02:19:50.000You know, these incredible just voids into the rock.
02:19:53.000But there's one area in particular, this is just the beginning of my video, but there's one area in particular in Saxawaman, which is this gigantic.
02:20:01.000In fact, you could probably just type it in if you typed in Saksawaman diorite steps or something like that.
02:20:47.000To give some context, you know, the stones at Saxa Woman are extremely impressive, but they are made of limestone, a little bit softer, a bit more workable.
02:20:57.000If you can find a HD, I've got a 4K video of this.
02:21:00.000That's why I wanted to see it in that video.
02:21:01.000But if you can find a HD image, it's shined like a marble top.
02:21:06.000Like, these are just precision cut into this huge outcrop of diorite, which they actually believe was a magma burst.
02:21:13.000So a huge blob of magma came bursting out of the ground and formed into this huge stone mound that's adjacent to Saxa Woman.
02:21:22.000And you've got cuts like this, where it's just insanely perfect.
02:21:27.000And this is not possible with a Bronze Age toolkit.
02:21:30.000This, to me, is actually more interesting in some ways than Saxa Woman itself because it's just a complete contradiction of the Bronze Age tools.
02:21:38.000You shouldn't be able to do that on diorite.
02:21:50.000And there's all these weird involved something like that.
02:21:53.000Yeah, there's all these weird little cuts into the stone like that.
02:21:56.000And across Peru, you just find like, you know, these voids where it's just like a 90-degree cut into stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.
02:22:04.000And the weird thing is the back is smooth too.
02:22:26.000I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy that I'm bringing him up.
02:22:29.000There is one guy out there who's trying his best to prove how they were liquefying stone and then bringing it back.
02:22:36.000And I only know his X handle, which is Fo Ma Hun, like F-O-M-A-H-U-N.
02:22:42.000I can't remember his actual name, but I've been talking to him.
02:22:45.000I'm thinking of actually going out to visit him and film him doing this.
02:22:48.000But he's been demonstrating making teddy bear casts of rose granite and things like this.
02:22:53.000And for a long time, he wasn't revealing how he was doing it.
02:22:55.000So I kind of just was like, whatever, dude, like, I don't think that you're actually doing this.
02:22:59.000But he's now actually revealed his secret ingredient, which is a slaked lime, like this slaked lime, which was very easy to make for them, and water glass, which again is something that they could have made.
02:23:10.000I don't know the science behind this, to be fair.
02:23:12.000So I'm just going to briefly say that I think he's got some provocative ideas here because he's actually adding like this water glass and slaked lime to like, you know, mixed up compounds of granite or limestone, like crushed up granite, crushed up limestone, adding the slate lime, adding the water glass, and then it's solidifying into solid granite like within six hours.
02:23:33.000Yeah, and he's got like literal like teddy bear casts and like, you know, different like cookie cutter casts of solid granite.
02:23:51.000But it's not definitive, but he's one of the only people I've seen that's actually presented actual evidence that could explain how they were doing this.
02:23:59.000And it's with relatively simple ingredients.
02:24:13.000Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an additive to water glass, the latter being the glue between original granite grains.
02:24:22.000Because I realize we need full transparency in order to clearly see the original granite grains like quartz.
02:24:44.000Now, what we're seeing is made with a secret additive, let's call it almost nothing, that did not change the transparency of the water glass, but forced it to set from the inside.
02:24:54.000So, remember, this is the wannabe binder only of artificial granite, not granite itself.
02:25:00.000It's very interesting, and he's revealed that it's slaked lime, this secret ingredient.
02:25:04.000For a while, he wasn't saying what it is.
02:25:07.000So, I'm actually going to go out to, he lives in Budapest.
02:25:09.000I'm going to go out to Budapest and actually film him doing this to see if he's right about this.
02:25:14.000He's actually, I think, one of the originators of the whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too deep into, but it's one of the explanations behind melting the stone.
02:25:22.000So, I started paying more attention to him once I was in Peru, and he was messaging me saying, you know, this is what I think is going on here, is they were using these ingredients to melt the stone, well, to solidify crushed up stone and create molds.
02:26:06.000Nothing ever seems to fully answer it.
02:26:08.000But it's compelling that he's trying to actually find a way to solidify the stone, and it seems to be working.
02:26:15.000Whether it explains all of it, I don't know, but there's certainly a lot of people that will say that this is the definitive explanation behind it.
02:26:23.000The thing that these amazing sites have in common is that they are so spectacular, no one really has a logical explanation.
02:26:31.000It's one of the coolest things about the most ancient of sites is that it forces you to go, wait, wait, wait, wait, even the best people don't defies probability.
02:27:10.000And weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro these ideas until about the mid-90s.
02:27:15.000There's like a 1993 quote from him at a university in Cairo where he was saying something along the lines of there are tunnels underneath the Sphinx that lead down into greater structures.
02:27:26.000And when we truly understand this, we will understand the real builders of the pyramids.
02:27:29.000That was the last time he said anything close to that.
02:28:22.000I think there's maybe a bit of a cultural arrogance.
02:28:24.000Like, who do you think you are, Westerner, coming over here and teaching us about our history?
02:28:29.000I think there's a level of that, like, you know, at least on a surface layer, before you get into the deeper implications of, you know, Freemason secret societies keeping things from us.
02:28:36.000My true fear is that it's people just have this desire to be the one in charge of stuff.
02:29:32.000Yeah, a lot of kooks, but also just a lot of bad actors and hackers and people that want to, you know, one thing on the UFO subject, actually, which I do think is worth noting, because like I said to you, I think I'm one of the first people that you've had on that had to actually make their way through the social media interactions.
02:29:47.000And one of the things that a lot of us noticed, and I have to give credit to a couple of people like Red Panda Koala and Tupa Cabra on Twitter, two very good researchers that have been highlighting this, is that when the whole kind of 2017 narrative and Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon and all these guys started coming out, obviously we were all extremely excited about it.
02:30:10.000Over time, you know, there were some issues, like some contradictions.
02:30:15.000Lou Elizondo especially has contradicted himself quite a lot.
02:30:18.000And some of us started to get a little bit suspicious of these people and just started asking questions.
02:30:25.000It didn't take long for us to be targeted by a pretty significant network online of people that were trying to hack and dox us.
02:30:34.000And people like, he doesn't put his actual name out there, but people like Red Panda Koala was doxxed online, had his family house put out online, photos of his underage sister put out online by a group of individuals who are all very closely connected to Lou Elizondo.
02:30:53.000And this is something that you would not notice outside of being in the minutiae of X, because you would see these troll accounts, these really nasty troll accounts that were all being followed by Lou.
02:31:05.000And when they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated, Lou was one of the first people following them.
02:31:11.000Some people have actually come out about this group now and revealed screenshots of DMs where they're in private conversations with people like Lou and Gary and some of these other guys who I got connected to early on, very early on.
02:31:23.000I got some of the first interviews with these people and was very pro-it until I started realizing that they were very much trying to control the narrative and there were things you couldn't speak about.
02:31:32.000Can't talk about reverse engineering or consciousness initiated contact.
02:31:38.000Anything to do with Greer is completely poisonous.
02:31:41.000Lou Elizondo was actually, he called Greer and a couple of other people terrorists.
02:31:45.000He said I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists when asked about Stephen Greer.
02:31:50.000But what people have dubbed this as is the UFO hate group.
02:31:53.000This is very well known online, the UFO hate group.
02:31:55.000And it's a group of people that are so savagely in favor of people like Lou and this kind of modernized narrative that if you even go half an inch, like I really gained my accolades in the UFO community.
02:32:07.000People, you know, really praising me for the interviews I was getting until I started asking a few questions about people like Lou.
02:32:13.000And suddenly I get an absolute maelstrom of hatred from people that were once really enjoying my content.
02:32:42.000I think it was just about the way in which the UFO community has been misrepresenting the phenomena and the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives.
02:32:50.000And he just kind of, I want to put a hard reset.
02:32:53.000Doesn't that kind of actually make sense to say?
02:33:15.000I was like, I'm ready to believe in whatever you're saying.
02:33:17.000It took me a while to start actually realizing that this is not going in a direction I think it should be going and that there's a heavily curated narrative.
02:33:24.000And if you try and question the narrative, you will be punished by groupthink.
02:33:28.000It felt like, honestly, I started to feel like I was in a COVID cult for UFology, where you just can't talk about Louis Lazondo in a bad light, regardless of the fact that this man has gone on stage and presented literal fake UFO photos to the public, which have been debunked in less than 24 hours.
02:33:44.000And he had to admit that they were fake because of the debunks.
02:33:48.000But people are just happy to forget these things happened.
02:33:51.000Like he went up in a congressional setting and held up a UFO photo that was proven to just be fields, like agricultural fields.
02:35:06.000Well, I was attempting to get you to stop talking about specifically.
02:35:11.000Primarily, there seems to have been a bit of an issue with the way that I've been talking about Lou and his association with ATIP, because I think that ATIP was actually a cutout.
02:35:19.000It wasn't a real program, and it was a cutout that was actually created for To the Stars Academy.
02:35:26.000And ORSAP, which was more of a kind of precursor program, wasn't being run by Lou Olazondo.
02:35:33.000That's the Advanced Weapon Application Space Program.
02:35:39.000And I just think that I have to be careful, but a very prominent journalist in the UFO community literally told me that Lou told him that this was all created for To the Stars Academy as like a way to generate an understandable structure.
02:35:59.000I have an issue with the idea that someone like Lou Alizondo can go to the New York Times and say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't being briefed on UFOs.
02:36:08.000And I'm the one that was running a program when people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are being thrown to the wolves for just revealing standard national security issues.
02:36:17.000This is meant to be even deeper, right?
02:36:19.000This guy can just roll out to the New York Times.
02:36:21.000Seems a little bit planned, seems a little bit curated and forced.
02:36:25.000So I started asking those questions, and especially when things like this were happening, where there were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that are being debunked.
02:36:44.000You know, that he admitted they called him the Torture Czar of Guantanamo Bay because you know he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo Bay black site, CIA black site.
02:36:53.000So, you know, he actually had in his book that he was known as the Darth Vader of the United States by certain people and the torture czar of Guantanamo Bay.
02:37:03.000I don't really trust people like this who, you know, waterboarded people for a living and are now trying to tell me what's going on in the UFO subject.
02:37:14.000What purpose would there be to muddy the narrative if you wanted to have a government agent come out and have what you're claiming is like a fake disclosure, like a government narrated disclosure?
02:38:15.000I think for me, again, coming up through it and just seeing how these people actually act when you challenge them and the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of, quite frankly, quite mentally unstable people that were very easily misled into believing they're important, who are getting brought into these signal chats, these private group chats.
02:38:32.000And, you know, I'm in touch with Lou Lizondo.
02:39:07.000What do you think is that there is a clear decision somewhere in our government to muddy the water and to put out this narrative that these whistleblowers are trying to tell everybody.
02:39:21.000So to slowly trickle this stuff out there and then float out amnesty, which is a big part of the age disclosure documentary for really the first time.
02:39:29.000Have you ever heard anybody where everyone uniformly talks about that one particular subject?
02:39:34.000Yeah, like I think that that's the goal is to create a curated soft disclosure that does the very best to paint the government in the best possible light and allows them to actually kind of not face too much punishment for what's been going on in the legacy programs.
02:39:48.000Again, if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there, he was offering a completely different thing.
02:40:21.000That's why Gary Nolan, who was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two Stars Academy and they poached quite a few people from his team and brought him over to TTSA and he became a pariah.
02:40:32.000You know, again, he says a lot of things that, quite frankly, I don't agree with.
02:40:36.000But I just think that basically they tried to overtake the narrative and they needed government representatives to run this.
02:40:44.000And just again, that's how they do everything.
02:40:46.000Why would we be shocked that they do it about something this important?
02:40:49.000Especially if there is lying to Congress, misappropriation of funds, and for sure some fraud.
02:41:33.000And that one that's blue with the writing all over it, that's what was held up at the 2001 national press conference organized by Dr. Stephen Greer.
02:41:42.000Again, like, you know, this isn't new.
02:41:43.000Like, to be fair, to Dr. Greer, he brought like over 50 witnesses on live television during the national press conference.
02:41:50.000And one of them was Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, who drew this sketch.
02:41:56.000A friend of mine has a version of this framed in his house.
02:42:28.000How do we know the UAPs we sent aren't ours and more modern buildings?
02:42:33.000The person who made this documentary died of an aggressive form of cancer not long after making it.
02:42:39.000He was quite a young man as well, documentary filmmaker who made this.
02:42:43.000But Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, he had a friend called Brad Sorensen.
02:42:49.000Now, Brad Sorensen was a government guy, aerospace engineer.
02:42:53.000Lockheed Martin had quite an extensive portfolio.
02:42:57.000And Brad Sorensen goes to his buddy one day, Mark McCandlish, and he says, I was shown something, and I want you to draw it.
02:43:03.000I'm going to describe it to you in great detail, and I want you to create the illustration.
02:43:07.000Brad Sorensen says that I think it was in like the 70s or late 60s or early 70s that he was invited to a private air show at Lockheed Martin by an individual who was a good friend of his in the military who was higher up than him.
02:43:20.000And apparently this, you know, he didn't have what they call the tickets, the right classifications to actually get access to this private air show, but his friend brought him because he had the tickets.
02:43:31.000And essentially, they bring him into a hangar in Lockheed Martin where three large sources of varying size were hovering a few feet off of the ground.
02:43:43.000They were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.
02:43:47.000That's the way that they were actually classifying them, had a nickname for a mummy.
02:44:43.000I've got quite a few contacts now because of my research and affiliations that I've managed to gain with people in like the US Navy and Intel.
02:44:51.000And a good friend of mine who was able to actually find his number and get in touch with Brad Sorensen.
02:45:00.000And, you know, my friend introduces himself to him and he'd never spoken to him before.
02:45:05.000And they were just talking shop, first of all.
02:45:08.000He said that he wanted to reach out to him because he'd heard about him through various stories online.
02:45:13.000But, you know, anyway, to cut the long story short, he asked him, my friend asked him about Mark McCandlish and this alien reproduction vehicle.
02:45:21.000And Brad Sorensen went off on quite a diatribe, actually, very angry about Mark and how he said that I gave this man the keys to the kingdom and he went out and told the whole fucking world.
02:45:36.000And I will never do that because my employers will fry me.
02:45:42.000He said they will fucking fry me if I speak out about this.
02:45:46.000But I am capable of building and designing an aircraft that can go 210 times the speed of light.
02:45:56.000Yeah, he reiterated that multiple times.
02:47:31.000Like they have to be a certain personality type.
02:47:33.000They don't give a fuck about humanity.
02:47:35.000I think, honestly, I think at the highest levels of these, especially these military corporations, I think you just have to become that anyway.
02:48:16.000You know, we found a correspondence between Nikola Tesla and British and Russian royalty, like the high top levels of Britain and Russian royalty, about them acquiring a super weapon of incredible power.
02:48:28.000There's a video, I actually posted it on X, of John G. Trump, a vintage video of him talking about coming across these correspondent letters that he never found the true method of the secret weapon or what it was, but there was correspondence between the king and Russian czars.
02:48:46.000So I think that they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies, I think people like T. Townsend Brown, you know, these original ideas of being able to use field induction to create positive lift.
02:48:59.000This is something that was being looked at by humans.
02:49:02.000You don't need to invoke flying sources crashing from Alpha Centauri for that.
02:49:06.000Maybe it happened, but I would be more on the line that we've done it ourselves.
02:50:08.000Like, you know, the control structures around something like free energy would have to be quite profound because of the things we were saying about some psycho with a ZPE device.