The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2430 - Jay Anderson

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00:00:12.000 What's happening, man?

00:00:12.000 We're live.

00:00:13.000 It's great to meet you.

00:00:14.000 It is great to meet you as well, Joe.

00:00:16.000 I really, really appreciate you taking me out here.

00:00:18.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:00:19.000 I've enjoyed your content for quite a while now.

00:00:22.000 Well, I'd be interested to know when was it that you first started getting interested in what I was doing?

00:00:26.000 What kind of subject?

00:00:27.000 What topic?

00:00:28.000 I wish I remembered.

00:00:30.000 Because I know you followed me for a couple of years.

00:00:31.000 It was before the Cafra Pyramid scans and stuff.

00:00:34.000 You know, I'm into the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Well, it's all the silly shit that I love. 1.00

00:00:41.000 Silly and serious at the same time. 1.00

00:00:43.000 Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and obviously aliens. 0.99

00:00:47.000 And it's all cotangent.

00:00:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:48.000 It all connects together.

00:00:50.000 I think so, too.

00:00:51.000 We actually played a clip.

00:00:53.000 We did a podcast yesterday with Dr. Michael Masters.

00:00:56.000 Love him.

00:00:57.000 Yeah.

00:00:57.000 Talked to him a couple times.

00:00:58.000 Very fun.

00:00:59.000 Very smart guy.

00:00:59.000 Very interesting guy.

00:01:00.000 But we played, we were talking about the, he has a theory that aliens are human beings in the future.

00:01:07.000 It's a very strange theory based on like kind of the anthropological view and the physiology and how that might have happened over time.

00:01:15.000 And there's also, what was the model?

00:01:17.000 There's the many worlds theory.

00:01:19.000 And then what was his model?

00:01:20.000 There's a different one.

00:01:22.000 The concept is you could, if you lived in the future, you could go back in time and it would not affect the future because everything that's supposed to happen has already happened.

00:01:30.000 Right.

00:01:30.000 And you were supposed to go back anyway.

00:01:33.000 Okay.

00:01:33.000 Interesting.

00:01:35.000 I try to get my head.

00:01:37.000 But anyway, during that time, I asked him about the tridactyl mummies and then we played your clip.

00:01:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, we played the clip that showed all the scans.

00:01:45.000 We talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to Peru and actually touched those things and was there with them and how surreal it was.

00:01:51.000 Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go and see the Nazca mummies.

00:01:54.000 I wish I could have seen them.

00:01:55.000 I was out there to look at all the megalithic studies and the excavations going on at Saxo Oman, which is an incredible megalithic site in Cusco.

00:02:03.000 But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that obviously you're going to have a big knee-jerk reaction to something that's so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non-human intelligences that are mummified.

00:02:14.000 But when you actually look at the CT scans and the x-rays, you start to realize that this can't be fake.

00:02:19.000 You can't fake bone cartilage.

00:02:21.000 You can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus inside the body.

00:02:26.000 It's so nutty.

00:02:27.000 Dude, it's crazy.

00:02:28.000 Some of them have eggs inside them.

00:02:29.000 Some of them have fetuses.

00:02:31.000 The eggs are big.

00:02:32.000 Big eggs inside them.

00:02:34.000 And these are small beings.

00:02:35.000 These ones are meant to be like the little kind of like 60 centimeter beings with like three eggs inside them.

00:02:40.000 Then you've got the big one, Montserrat, which has an actual fetus, like a baby not in an egg.

00:02:45.000 So it's like, if these are all real, it does feel like there was some sort of genetic experimentation going on where they're just churning out prototypes of some form.

00:02:55.000 Do you think that's it?

00:02:56.000 Or do you think that there used to be another type of, for lack of a better word, primate?

00:03:02.000 Well, the thing is.

00:03:03.000 Is that a primate?

00:03:04.000 I mean, what is that?

00:03:05.000 I mean, some of them, they're leaning more towards like reptilian anthropod kind of lineage.

00:03:10.000 So like the bigger ones seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with the eggs are sharing reptilian traits.

00:03:17.000 So it's like there are all these different variations with these different bodies, different kind of like physiological characteristics, which is why it's like, okay, well, is this one lineage or is this just someone kind of like tweaking?

00:03:28.000 All right, well, that one failed.

00:03:29.000 That one's not working.

00:03:30.000 This one grew wings. 1.00

00:03:31.000 All right, fuck that one off. 1.00

00:03:32.000 Like, you know, it's just weird. 0.99

00:03:34.000 So your thought is that these are the products of experiments.

00:03:38.000 I mean, if you look at Jesse, when Jesse Michaels did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember where he got this from, but he was saying that the original translation of the area of Nazca from the original language was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning.

00:03:54.000 It was like a really strange definition for the actual area that kind of says experimentation and genetic modification.

00:04:03.000 I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something that he brought up in the documentary.

00:04:06.000 I was like, huh?

00:04:07.000 Okay.

00:04:08.000 Then you have all of these various different examples.

00:04:11.000 I ask you, who said that?

00:04:14.000 Who called it that?

00:04:15.000 So, when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was just a scene in it.

00:04:20.000 Now, my memory is failing me a little bit, but there's a scene in it where he was talking about the Nazca region.

00:04:24.000 And he said that the original, in the original language, this translates roughly to the area of experimentation and genetics of some form.

00:04:34.000 But how do they know what those dreams are?

00:04:37.000 I agree.

00:04:38.000 But it's just a weird little caveat that he brought up in the documentary.

00:04:41.000 I'm not quite, he'd probably be rolling his eyes at me now. 0.54

00:04:43.000 Like, dude, I actually fucking know exactly what this is. 1.00

00:04:45.000 You're making me look like an idiot. 1.00

00:04:47.000 Yeah, I'm butchering it, but no, for sure. 0.99

00:04:49.000 But I, but just the fact that these things exist and they exist in an area of the world which is full of mystery.

00:04:56.000 I mean, the megalithic sites around there.

00:04:58.000 Like I said, that's what I was out there for to see these different megalithic sites and the Nazca lines and Saxawaman and in the Sacred Valley.

00:05:05.000 You just have like incredibly complex architecture.

00:05:09.000 You know, rose court, granite, diorite, andesite, these incredibly hard stones, like in Egypt. 1.00

00:05:14.000 But honestly, I find Peru even more baffling than Egypt with the architecture because of just the level of interlocking precision that you see and the fact that it looks like they've softened the stone in Saxawamon.

00:05:26.000 It looks like marshmallows, like all squished together.

00:05:29.000 And it just invokes a lot of different theories from people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.

00:05:33.000 Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved.

00:05:36.000 No.

00:05:37.000 Right?

00:05:37.000 Like, it does seem like there's some areas where chunks have been removed from the quarries.

00:05:45.000 But when they're all pieced together, when you see those weird curvatures to it, it's like, what were you guys doing?

00:05:51.000 And perfect precision.

00:05:53.000 Perfect precision.

00:05:54.000 And like sometimes you'll see like these corners where just a tiny bit of stone is jutting up and then the other two are connecting into it.

00:06:00.000 It's like this is such a ridiculous level of complexity for an apparent 600 year ago Bronze Age bronze chisels and stone hammer tool wielding civilization.

00:06:10.000 And also in Peru is what I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant visual contrast to use when you look at what is the Inca work, which is the rough cut stone, the mortar brick using walls.

00:06:21.000 Like this is all present in Peru next to the megalithic sites.

00:06:26.000 And the mainstream will attribute all of this to the Inca of 600 years ago.

00:06:30.000 But you'll see that the stone walls that are rough cut and use cement and mortar, they're still standing.

00:06:36.000 They're pretty pristine.

00:06:37.000 They're looking good.

00:06:38.000 Next to megalithic multi-ton slabs of granite that are broken to pieces and strewn across the hillside.

00:06:43.000 So it just looks like there was a lot of desolation, potentially geological trauma in this area.

00:06:49.000 And then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites, built around them.

00:06:54.000 You can see in like the cracks and corners of all these megaliths that there's like stone walls that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce.

00:07:00.000 It's very visually obvious, actually, when you go out to these places.

00:07:03.000 Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the possibility that this is from an older time?

00:07:08.000 Like that, it's heresy.

00:07:10.000 It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man.

00:07:12.000 Like, I think at the end of the day, we're still using models from like 1800s explorers, right? 0.99

00:07:17.000 And it's like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:07:19.000 Like, we've moved forward. 0.99

00:07:20.000 There's a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot of these countries, whether it be, you know, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau.

00:07:30.000 And then the incredible megaliths in Peru, like Saxewoman. 1.00

00:07:35.000 It just feels like what we're doing is rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy, and it's coming up against an ever-piling higher mountain of evidence.

00:07:46.000 And one of the cool things that I got to do out in Peru was go to Saxawoman, where they've got current archaeological digs going on through the Chinkana project, which is an archaeological team out there, and they're doing digs.

00:07:58.000 And they have actually discovered below, like 10 meters down into the ground, precision carved blocks of stone that are coming out of the earth.

00:08:06.000 And this is where in this region in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there is a vast labyrinth below ground connecting Cusco to Saxa Woman, connecting Saxa Woman to the sacred valley, all spreading out across the Andean mountain range.

00:08:20.000 And this is like an old legend.

00:08:22.000 This is what the shamans and the sacred keepers of knowledge would say in Peru.

00:08:27.000 We're finding evidence for it.

00:08:28.000 We're literally going underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise elements of infrastructure below Saxawoman.

00:08:37.000 And they're just beginning to uncover this.

00:08:38.000 I was one of the first to go down there and actually see these blocks myself.

00:08:42.000 And it's just like, this is happening now.

00:08:45.000 We're actually getting to a place where we can start to validate some of these forgotten myths and folklores, or if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience from the archaeological side of things.

00:08:55.000 It's being evidence now.

00:08:57.000 That's mad.

00:08:59.000 So these tunnels and like what is exactly the structure that's supposed to be down there?

00:09:05.000 And what have they discovered?

00:09:06.000 So it's supposed to be called the Chinkana, like the labyrinth. 0.96

00:09:10.000 And there's a few different chinkana entrances around the river. 0.69

00:09:13.000 How big is it supposed to be?

00:09:15.000 Vast, multiple kilometers.

00:09:16.000 It's stretching from down Saxawoman down into Cusco and then off into the Andean mountain range to the Sacred Valley.

00:09:22.000 It's very similar to some of the stuff that they found in Egypt.

00:09:25.000 That's banana. 0.97

00:09:26.000 Yes.

00:09:27.000 And then what's interesting is you have the same hallmarks and signatures that you see in Egypt.

00:09:31.000 So you see the stone nubs, you know, these little protrusions that you get.

00:09:34.000 I'm addicted to those, man, because they are all over the world.

00:09:37.000 Do you have any theories?

00:09:38.000 I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories.

00:09:41.000 I certainly think that the...

00:09:43.000 We should show an image of it for people that aren't.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, like...

00:09:46.000 You know what we're talking about?

00:09:47.000 Stone nubs.

00:09:48.000 There's all of these incredible, massive stones that have been somehow or another moved from a quarry, sometimes that were hundreds of miles away.

00:09:58.000 They have these weird nubs on them.

00:10:00.000 And no one knows what they are.

00:10:02.000 And there's a bunch of theories, like maybe they helped them move those things.

00:10:06.000 You see them all over the place.

00:10:08.000 And no one quite knows.

00:10:11.000 India, you see them in Egypt.

00:10:14.000 You see them in Peru.

00:10:15.000 This is in Ole and Tentambo in the Sacred Valley.

00:10:18.000 This is one of the things that's so infuriating about people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information and being the only ones that are allowed to distribute the truth.

00:10:27.000 Right.

00:10:27.000 Air quotes.

00:10:28.000 We're missing so much.

00:10:30.000 There's no way you really know.

00:10:31.000 Huge gaps of knowledge.

00:10:32.000 We're missing so much. 0.99

00:10:34.000 And more time goes on, as Graham Hancock always says, shit just keeps getting older. 0.97

00:10:40.000 And now they just push back the use of fire by 300,000 plus years. 0.97

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 Exactly.

00:10:45.000 Yeah.

00:10:45.000 Okay.

00:10:46.000 Like it just keeps going.

00:10:47.000 It's not going forward.

00:10:48.000 It's going backwards.

00:10:48.000 No.

00:10:50.000 And anatomically modern humans, I think, have gone much further back now in time.

00:10:54.000 They're looking at 800,000 years.

00:10:56.000 So, you know, plus, plus, possibly even a million.

00:10:58.000 This is what weirds me about these creatures.

00:11:01.000 Like, human beings have gotten to the point multiple times where we were almost extinct.

00:11:06.000 The Toba volcano, I think we got down to, God, was it 7,000 people?

00:11:13.000 Is that like the low estimate? 0.99

00:11:14.000 Damn, really? 0.98

00:11:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:16.000 It's a crazy story.

00:11:17.000 Like, super volcanoes are unbelievably devastating to just all life, you know, because it just changes the temperature of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't get blasted out of the ground by the actual volcano itself. 0.96

00:11:30.000 All the other stuff on the other side of the world gets fucked. 0.77

00:11:32.000 Like, it just ruins everything. 0.96

00:11:34.000 We got down to like a few thousand people.

00:11:37.000 And then there was another time where one of these guys came, God, I forgot who that was as well.

00:11:42.000 We were talking about the reality of glaciation and about what happens during ice ages and how devastating it can be.

00:11:51.000 And they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple times in the history of the Earth to the point where it was incapable of sustaining life.

00:11:59.000 Wow.

00:11:59.000 That within a few, you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide are necessary to support plant life, we literally got to the part where there was almost impossible to support life.

00:12:10.000 And then it rebounded and everything's fine.

00:12:12.000 So there's so much we don't know.

00:12:14.000 Absolutely, man.

00:12:15.000 It's so crazy to try to pretend you know that people 600 years ago make this because we know people 600 years ago lived there.

00:12:22.000 We have a lot of archaeological evidence and we have but you have weird structures on top of obviously much more intricate and complex structures.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, and again, they share the same signatures as places like in Egypt and in India, you know, they think you're a kook.

00:12:38.000 And it's just a knee-jerk reaction.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, they do.

00:12:40.000 It's again, it's adherence to a status quo.

00:12:42.000 And, you know, you get channeled through a very kind of fine wall in academia.

00:12:46.000 And I think that it can be a real detriment actually to opening up your ideas and being a little bit more expansive with what could be possible because you do get put into a very restrictive format in the traditional academic sense.

00:13:00.000 And then obviously you have the pressures of funding and things like this. 0.98

00:13:03.000 And you're not going to get the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit. 0.98

00:13:06.000 And it's just like a self-fulfilling censoring, you know. 0.98

00:13:10.000 But with the rise of alternative media, we're changing the game a bit because you can actually put a voice out there.

00:13:16.000 You can put an idea out there.

00:13:17.000 It's not completely stonewalled by the academic circle.

00:13:20.000 They can't actually prevent people from discussing these ideas in an open media format like this.

00:13:25.000 Right.

00:13:25.000 And if you put a video like you did on X or on YouTube, people can, like the video that you did on the aliens, whatever they are.

00:13:31.000 Whatever they are.

00:13:32.000 People can see the CT scans.

00:13:34.000 You see the CT scans and you automatically go, wait a minute, this is 1,200 years old?

00:13:34.000 Exactly.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.000 You're telling me someone faked this 1,200 years ago?

00:13:43.000 Like, I don't think they could fake that now.

00:13:44.000 You know, I don't think they could.

00:13:46.000 Hollywood special effects, guys, but then the composition of the actual bones and everything.

00:13:50.000 It's like cartilage and muscle tissue.

00:13:53.000 How would you fake that?

00:13:54.000 Circling back, I texted Jesse to ask him for some insight on what you're doing.

00:13:57.000 Oh, nice.

00:13:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:58.000 So what he sent me was a screenshot of a book where he got it from.

00:14:02.000 Thanks for this.

00:14:03.000 Translate.

00:14:04.000 Translation here shows science of insemination.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, Jumana, I guess was the local word.

00:14:10.000 That's the local word for what that area is called.

00:14:13.000 Right, right, right.

00:14:14.000 This is a book you found from that area, I think.

00:14:16.000 And that says, yeah, laboratory of insemination and cloning.

00:14:19.000 What?

00:14:21.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:14:22.000 Look at all these terms. 0.98

00:14:23.000 They use Yuma is semen.

00:14:26.000 Yume, verb to inseminate, humage, the science of insemination, yuma paj, wise inseminator, yuma, scion or clone.

00:14:38.000 This is what I'm saying, bro.

00:14:39.000 Jumei to clone, jumaj, the science of cloning, and jumpaj, wise cloner. 1.00

00:14:46.000 So basically, what the fuck, man. 0.99

00:14:49.000 You know, it's there. 1.00

00:14:50.000 It's um, it's interesting.

00:14:52.000 And then obviously go back to that, please again.

00:14:54.000 You get alongside this kind of description, you have these bodies, you have this architecture and math.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, like this was, dude, this was like one little 10-second clip in his documentary, and it just made me perk up, like, wait a minute, what?

00:15:07.000 The name of the place is like a laboratory of insemination and cloning.

00:15:12.000 And they're getting a smorgasbord of different beings coming out of this area, right?

00:15:16.000 Like, Jesse does add, I think he's speculating somewhat on the etymology, not definitive.

00:15:22.000 Oh, of course.

00:15:23.000 But yeah, I mean, it's there.

00:15:24.000 I said Jesse's better at this than me.

00:15:26.000 I'm like, it's clear, or it's done.

00:15:28.000 Itself is there.

00:15:30.000 Wow.

00:15:31.000 But it is interesting.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, it is interesting.

00:15:34.000 And I think it does, you know, leads into what was happening on this planet a long time ago.

00:15:39.000 It doesn't.

00:15:41.000 My point was when I was getting to the whole super volcano thing, what if something happened that wiped that species out?

00:15:47.000 Right, right.

00:15:48.000 Like, clearly, there's no more Neanderthals, right?

00:15:51.000 Whatever happened, whether it was us or disease or whatever killed them off, they don't exist anymore.

00:15:55.000 We only have evidence that people interbred with them.

00:15:58.000 What is that thing?

00:15:59.000 Is that thing maybe one of us, like another kind of human?

00:16:03.000 Look, look, another kind of primate.

00:16:05.000 You know, look how different we are than rhesus monkeys, right?

00:16:08.000 Like, we're all primates. 0.98

00:16:10.000 We're so fucking different. 0.90

00:16:12.000 Why would we assume that the ones that we found so far, including like would they find Dennis Ovens like 15 years ago or something like that? 0.96

00:16:19.000 Right, right.

00:16:19.000 And then Homo Juliens, what was that one?

00:16:22.000 That was just a few years ago.

00:16:23.000 Like, they keep finding these new versions of people.

00:16:27.000 Not new, obviously.

00:16:28.000 No.

00:16:28.000 But long extinct versions of people.

00:16:31.000 I think it's possible.

00:16:32.000 And I also think that there's a potential.

00:16:35.000 What if a particular subroot species of hominid decided to opt in for subterranean living?

00:16:41.000 And they escaped a lot of the surface world traumas and were actually able to kind of maintain their society.

00:16:41.000 Right.

00:16:46.000 I mean, look at all of the weird evidence we have for these vast underground cities during cool.

00:16:50.000 You would love to go there, my God.

00:16:52.000 Jim Scetti just released a video on it.

00:16:54.000 It's banana. 0.99

00:16:55.000 Could you imagine renovating your house and fucking finding that? 0.99

00:16:58.000 Renovating your house and finding there's a room for 20,000 people under your house. 0.99

00:17:03.000 Would you say anything?

00:17:05.000 I don't know.

00:17:06.000 I don't have to think about where I live.

00:17:06.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 It depends on where I live.

00:17:09.000 You live in a place where the government can just come and take your house.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, be worried about that.

00:17:12.000 I would say it if I was in America.

00:17:13.000 But even I was in America, what if I really liked my house?

00:17:16.000 And now my house is connected to the house. 0.98

00:17:17.000 Well, Terra, and the fucking archaeologists want to come, get out of my yard. 0.98

00:17:21.000 Exactly, exactly. 0.98

00:17:22.000 But like, yeah, I think about this and I think about all of these different things.

00:17:26.000 Good, good.

00:17:26.000 No, I'm happy to hear that.

00:17:29.000 But it's interesting.

00:17:29.000 Happy to hear that.

00:17:32.000 And then you have, you know, the strange stories like from the Hopi tribe about the ant people that came during a time of cataclysm and they brought them underground and then they brought them back up.

00:17:41.000 And there's a few like that.

00:17:42.000 There was a really interesting podcast.

00:17:45.000 It was years ago.

00:17:46.000 I remember seeing this, where they'd brought these two Amazonian shamans on the podcast, like full headdress.

00:17:51.000 They spoke their own tribal language.

00:17:52.000 They needed an interpreter in the room.

00:17:54.000 And the guy asked them what they thought about aliens.

00:17:57.000 And they didn't understand the question, didn't know what he meant by alien.

00:18:02.000 He was like thumbing through this book and he put up a picture of a grey.

00:18:06.000 And the tribesman went, oh, that's makenwabu.

00:18:08.000 That's makenwabu.

00:18:10.000 And they had a whole story about how this was a human that became an ant that lives underground and it can appear in the divine light.

00:18:17.000 But you should be very careful with this being because it will take your soul underground and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back.

00:18:23.000 And they were taking it real seriously.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, yeah, dude.

00:18:29.000 So it's like these tribal cultures, they know, man. 0.99

00:18:32.000 They fucking know. 0.98

00:18:33.000 Well, I think they have, I think there's an ancient memory in people. 0.99

00:18:37.000 I think it's one of the reasons why these post-apocalypse movies are so popular.

00:18:42.000 There's a lot of post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like people, they figure out how to make houses out of wood again, and they're surviving and they make little encampments and they fight off the intruders from the outside. 0.97

00:18:54.000 You know, real like walking dead type shit with no zombies. 0.98

00:18:57.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:18:58.000 I think there's a memory in us of the surviving humans.

00:19:03.000 I think there's a memory.

00:19:04.000 And I think we probably have been through some terrible moments in the Earth's history where there was an enormous disaster and we are the ancestors of the survivors.

00:19:15.000 And I don't think there was a lot of survivors.

00:19:17.000 No.

00:19:18.000 In fact, I heard you talking about that the other day where you were saying about like the, and it's something I agree with, the necessity for post-cataclysm, post-apocalypse, the strong men would inherit the earth.

00:19:32.000 Monsters would inherit the earth.

00:19:33.000 Monsters would inherit the earth, right?

00:19:35.000 And so if we really were a hyper-advanced Atlantean type civilization prior to this, maybe even more matriarchal than patriarchal, it would make sense that when things fall apart, obviously, and now you need to survive in the wild, the strong men and the savage guys would inherit the Earth because they would be the ones who would be able to push through that type of environment.

00:20:02.000 And then if that is the case and you fast forward to where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive, hyper kind of aggressive culture that we have, it would make sense that this was formed through the seeds of trauma and through the seeds of having to fight for survival and recovering what was lost.

00:20:20.000 Which also makes sense why the past, the further you go back, the more barbaric these people are.

00:20:20.000 Yes.

00:20:26.000 You're dealing, and you're like, well, it took a while for people to learn, maybe, but maybe you're dealing with people that had to, they probably had to cannibalize.

00:20:38.000 I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could.

00:20:40.000 There was only a few thousand of them left.

00:20:42.000 If we really got hit by asteroids, like if the younger dryest is correct, it makes sense that it would take like 5,000 years for civil society.

00:20:49.000 To recover from the market.

00:20:51.000 Because that seems to be what happened.

00:20:53.000 It seems to be like you have literally the scraggliest survivors, and then eventually the Earth gets back to normal.

00:21:02.000 But even then, it takes thousands of years for people to just have a semblance of what we're experiencing today in terms of civilization.

00:21:11.000 And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the Neolithic and the Stone Age.

00:21:16.000 Because, okay, so this is a time when we were just basic hunter-gatherers.

00:21:20.000 We had no intelligence, no language, no real understanding of the world, according to the mainstream.

00:21:27.000 But this is where you have multi-ton, geodetically aligned solar equinox and what's the lunar alignment.

00:21:39.000 I've completely just blanked just because I'm a little bit nervous at being on there.

00:21:43.000 Like, you know, like equinox alignments and like alignments to the sun and the moon, mathematically, geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents, like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground.

00:21:54.000 A lot of these stone henges and dolmens are placed on places where you have strong electromagnetic concentrations.

00:22:00.000 And just the package of mathematics and engineering and stonecrafting and the knowledge of the sun and the stars and your placement on the planet to create things like Stonehenge and these other areas in the world.

00:22:17.000 How can you do that if you're just hunter-gatherers coming out of animalistic behavior?

00:22:22.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:22:24.000 And then we kind of regress as we go further into history and the stonework becomes less impressive, things become less accurate.

00:22:32.000 And I find that very interesting.

00:22:33.000 How is it at the beginnings of our history, some of the most impressive structures exist?

00:22:38.000 Exactly.

00:22:39.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:22:40.000 Just Egypt alone with the conventional timeline of 2,500 BC for the Great Pyramid doesn't make any sense.

00:22:40.000 No.

00:22:46.000 No, it doesn't.

00:22:46.000 I think that they most likely settled around those pyramids.

00:22:49.000 Most likely.

00:22:50.000 Most likely settled around them.

00:22:51.000 And the scans, if these can be validated fully and empirically with digs and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.

00:22:59.000 It changes everything.

00:23:00.000 And you're seeing a lot of people spazz out online.

00:23:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:04.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:04.000 It's wonderful to watch.

00:23:06.000 It's been wonderful to watch because when people are under pressure, their real character gets revealed.

00:23:10.000 Right, right. 0.91

00:23:10.000 They're under a lot of pressure right now because those scans, that radio tomography or whatever the fuck it is. 0.91

00:23:15.000 Synthetic aperture radar, yeah.

00:23:17.000 It's super accurate with stuff that we know exists.

00:23:20.000 That's what's a real problem for these people.

00:23:20.000 Yes.

00:23:23.000 You want to believe it exists when it can map out all these chambers in the pyramid.

00:23:28.000 You want to believe it exists when it can map out things that we know that exist 50 feet underground.

00:23:33.000 You're cool with that.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:34.000 But one kilometer of subterranean multiple scans from multiple scanners.

00:23:40.000 Like over 200.

00:23:41.000 Yes.

00:23:42.000 It's all the same message.

00:23:44.000 They're getting the same message.

00:23:45.000 There's pillars, enormous pillars.

00:23:48.000 They have coils around them.

00:23:50.000 What?

00:23:52.000 Pillars with coils.

00:23:53.000 All of them have coils.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, dude.

00:23:55.000 And the whole structure is like almost two kilometers deep into the earth.

00:23:58.000 It's obscene.

00:23:59.000 It's obscene.

00:24:00.000 Like laterally as well, like two kilometers of infrastructure.

00:24:02.000 It's like the whole underground.

00:24:05.000 Exactly.

00:24:05.000 Help me out.

00:24:06.000 Copper tools.

00:24:07.000 And that was my frustration when it first came out because when it came out, obviously I did some research into the people involved in the Cafra Pyramid team.

00:24:07.000 Help me out.

00:24:14.000 I found Filippo Bionde.

00:24:15.000 I found his Harmonic SAR website where it has listed the things like the Mosul Dam in Iraq and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places that they'd actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid, which was peer-reviewed.

00:24:27.000 Their 2020 scan of the Great Pyramid was a peer-reviewed paper.

00:24:31.000 And then you fast forward to now where they've got these ones and you have people like Flynn Dibble and Piers Morgan going, it's bullshit, it's pseudoscience, it's never been done before, it's never been tested.

00:24:40.000 It's like, it has been done, it has been tested, it's actually got a patent, it's been peer-reviewed in a paper.

00:24:45.000 Military applications.

00:24:46.000 Military applications.

00:24:47.000 And Filippo Bionde, he works for the Italian government. 0.99

00:24:49.000 Like, he's not some idiot. 0.93

00:24:50.000 He's a very, very intelligent man. 0.99

00:24:52.000 And he can speak on the science of this, like, you know, articulately.

00:24:57.000 He works on top secret projects for the Italian military.

00:24:59.000 I don't know if you caught like that little scene in Jesse's where he was just like. 0.99

00:25:02.000 He didn't even say a fucking word. 0.98

00:25:05.000 Can we not talk about that? 0.99

00:25:06.000 He just looks at him.

00:25:07.000 Okay, well, just to figure that out.

00:25:09.000 That's when you know, man.

00:25:11.000 That's when you know.

00:25:12.000 But I mean, whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated.

00:25:17.000 You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even your field of expertise. 1.00

00:25:20.000 It just shows what kind of a fucking weirdo you are. 0.99

00:25:23.000 Like what you should be doing is going, okay, how many scans do you have? 1.00

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 You have 200 scans of this?

00:25:30.000 Show me more.

00:25:32.000 Show me more.

00:25:32.000 Tell me what's going on.

00:25:33.000 We should probably figure out what that is.

00:25:35.000 Imagine if the pyramids didn't exist.

00:25:37.000 Or imagine if it's like, you know, the Sphinx at one point in time was mostly covered with sand.

00:25:41.000 Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the entire pyramid structure is covered in sand and nobody knows it exists. 0.84

00:25:47.000 And then someone comes along and does a scan of the surface of the ground and says, you're not going to fucking believe this. 0.99

00:25:54.000 But there's some shit under that leg. 1.00

00:25:55.000 No, whatever he goes, that's ridiculous. 1.00

00:25:57.000 That's preposterous. 0.99

00:25:58.000 Exactly.

00:25:58.000 And they don't look.

00:25:59.000 And they don't look.

00:26:00.000 We never find the thing that we all agree exists because you can go there.

00:26:04.000 You can visit.

00:26:05.000 Right.

00:26:05.000 It's there, right?

00:26:07.000 If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a million years there's a structure with 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned, the true north, south, east, and west.

00:26:16.000 And you're dating it to somewhere around 4,000. 0.94

00:26:18.000 I mean, that sounds like some pseudoscience conspiracy talk to me, Joe.

00:26:21.000 Sounds like kookiness.

00:26:23.000 Why is it more kooky to say these people not only were this advanced, they were even more advanced?

00:26:28.000 Yeah.

00:26:28.000 More advanced.

00:26:29.000 They were down into the ground, two kilometers.

00:26:29.000 Way more.

00:26:32.000 It might have been a power station.

00:26:35.000 Well, you know, Filippo thinks that.

00:26:38.000 He seems to think that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in the Great Pyramid and the plateau itself, because what you have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite.

00:26:55.000 So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics and rose granite becomes electrical, piezoelectric under mechanical stress and acoustics are a form of mechanical stress.

00:27:06.000 So there's like a certainly something to be said about the fact that the pyramids are acoustically tuned.

00:27:10.000 Like they're incredible inside the acoustics and they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating that that it almost seems to go up in a perfect scale up to the king's chamber.

00:27:20.000 And then the king's chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115 hertz, which is interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain.

00:27:29.000 But on top of that, you have, again, this incredible coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite, where under the right conditions, you absolutely could get energetic responses from that.

00:27:38.000 But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge, which is really quite impressive.

00:27:43.000 And when you look at places like the Ossyrian in Abydos, which is a kind of sunken down temple, we call everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we?

00:27:53.000 We could be functional sites.

00:27:55.000 It could be a power plant of some form, like you said.

00:27:57.000 And the Assyrian in Abydos, next to it, you have the Seti I Temple, which is incredible.

00:28:02.000 It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.

00:28:05.000 And then you have this bare, faceless, megalithic place called the Ossyrian, which is sunken down into the ground, perpetually filled with water.

00:28:13.000 So they've tried to pump it out and it just fills back up again because it's connected down into the water table.

00:28:19.000 And there's all these different shafts and hydrological kind of components in this site that they don't understand the full function of.

00:28:25.000 And then you look at places like the Great Pyramid where you go down to the bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have like the kind of core, and this whole area looks like it's been water eroded, as if it was flooded out repeatedly and uses some sort of like a pump or some sort of like sequencing area where you push water in and then let it out, push water in and let it out.

00:28:44.000 And so Filippo thinks that maybe these spirals bringing water up.

00:28:49.000 And if you're a thousand meters down, you're tapping into like ancient aquifers.

00:28:54.000 So you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of like ancient, ancient water.

00:28:58.000 And I just wonder if, same with Peru, there's something incredibly important about accessing this kind of water at the real depths of the earth.

00:29:07.000 And they seem to have a real interest in doing that.

00:29:09.000 So perhaps the pyramids are in some way like, I mean, if these spirals are real, it's like a plug, isn't it?

00:29:13.000 It's like plugged into the earth, connected down into these aquifers.

00:29:17.000 Perhaps it was utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.

00:29:22.000 I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunn's work.

00:29:25.000 Oh, fantastic.

00:29:26.000 I had him on the podcast and he explained to us his theory.

00:29:30.000 He's an engineer.

00:29:31.000 And he started studying the structure of the pyramid.

00:29:31.000 Yeah.

00:29:35.000 And his conclusion was the entire thing was probably used to generate energy.

00:29:40.000 And it's like, what?

00:29:42.000 But when he breaks it down in terms of, I'll butcher the math if I even try, but in terms of the dimensions, the way it's made, and the fact that you could have something that was down in the basement that was somehow or another creating a resonance.

00:29:52.000 Right, right, right.

00:29:53.000 That would have this effect, the shafts that go out straight out into space, and the fact that there's evidence that they would possibly use these shafts to pour chemicals in, and it would create gases.

00:30:06.000 Well, this is pretty nuts.

00:30:07.000 It is nuts.

00:30:08.000 But, you know, I was when I was, not the last time I was out in Egypt, but the time before then, I was out there with a guy called Jeffrey Drum.

00:30:13.000 He's got a YouTube channel called The Land of Chem.

00:30:15.000 And he's all about this in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes was going on in the pyramids and these other areas.

00:30:22.000 And we filmed all of the coverage of that.

00:30:25.000 If anyone wants to go and see it on my YouTube channel, taking us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you have an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins.

00:30:35.000 And they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.

00:30:38.000 So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these iron vein networks sort of flowing out from the central point.

00:30:45.000 And these iron veins are heading down into what are called these boat pits.

00:30:50.000 When you say iron veins, so like iron ore, iron ore, it's on the surface.

00:30:55.000 It's deep in the ground.

00:30:56.000 I mean, there's some on the surface, so you can actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's kind of rusted out and oxidized, and you can make it out, but surely it must be deeper as well.

00:31:06.000 But it seems to be stretching out from the pyramids down into these.

00:31:11.000 So his theory is that they built the pyramid.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:14.000 His theory is that they built the pyramids on top of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting lightning strikes frequently.

00:31:21.000 Oh, you boy.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

00:31:24.000 It's a giant lightning rod.

00:31:26.000 Dude, I mean, these things are built in a way, and they were gold-capped at one point.

00:31:31.000 Right, and gold is a really good conductor.

00:31:33.000 Conductor of electricity for electronics.

00:31:36.000 And the Giza Plateau is covered in these conductive iron vein networks, which the pyramids do seem to be built upon.

00:31:42.000 Now, this is his personal theory, but he's an American who's been living out in Cairo now for about six or seven years, I believe.

00:31:49.000 He just decided to up and move out there and dedicate his life to exploring these places.

00:31:53.000 And so, he took us across all of these amazing areas and showed us things I'd never seen before in Egypt.

00:31:59.000 But his theory on the pyramids is similar to Christopher Dunn in terms of some form of chemical manufacturing taking place.

00:32:06.000 And if you know, the original name for Egypt was Kemet.

00:32:11.000 That's why this guy's got his YouTube channel, The Land of Chem.

00:32:14.000 Kemet is the beginning of chemistry and alchemy.

00:32:16.000 So, this is one of the root words where we then got chemistry and alchemy from.

00:32:21.000 So, it is the land of chemistry and alchemy.

00:32:23.000 That's bananas.

00:32:26.000 There you go.

00:32:27.000 Is this one of his videos?

00:32:30.000 This is the iron ore.

00:32:30.000 Crazy.

00:32:31.000 So, these are the yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting the iron veins, and these iron veins head out into what are called boat pits, which they believed in the mainstream interpretation.

00:32:41.000 You're freaking me out with the land of chem.

00:32:43.000 That is crazy.

00:32:44.000 But when did they name that?

00:32:45.000 I don't know when it was named that, but it was originally referenced as Kemet in some of the ancient Greek.

00:32:51.000 And there's reference to it being called Kemet, K-H-E-M-E-T.

00:32:57.000 And it really means the same thing?

00:32:59.000 It's what people believe is the continuation of alchemy and chemistry because you get so much alchemy from Egypt.

00:33:05.000 And obviously, this is the place where you get Hermes, Trismegistus, and Hermeticism, and the philosopher's stone kind of leaks out from these types of areas.

00:33:12.000 So, I think that there is a lot to suggest this.

00:33:15.000 Plus, we actually know in the mainstream that they were incredible chemists, like regardless of exotic forms of chemistry, that we know they were using acids and natron baths and things like this.

00:33:24.000 The Egyptians knew what they were doing, even from the perspective that we understand, regardless of getting a little bit deeper into it.

00:33:30.000 Right, and you're talking about Egyptians like Cleopatra times, right? 1.00

00:33:34.000 So, like, we know that they were doing it exactly.

00:33:37.000 Exactly, yeah, that's that's why it's so strange.

00:33:40.000 Like, if this structure is proved to be real, if they start an excavation and they have irrefutable proof, like without a doubt, there's some man-made structures that are beyond description underneath the ground.

00:33:56.000 What happens now?

00:33:57.000 Like, what does everybody do? 0.94

00:33:58.000 Like, what do all these dorks that think that that's a tomb? 0.99

00:34:06.000 What do you do to all those dorks that think like it makes sense that they built that? 0.99

00:34:10.000 It was a national pastime, it's a national project. 0.98

00:34:14.000 Come on, bro. 1.00

00:34:15.000 Settle the fucking thing. 1.00

00:34:16.000 I think at that point, you have you have to. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Well, I think the pyramids uniquely stand as like an intelligence test because they are so crazy when you have stones that are so large that are taken from quarries hundreds of miles away.

00:34:33.000 500 miles away.

00:34:34.000 A lot of these people supposedly didn't even have the wheel.

00:34:37.000 So, what is this?

00:34:39.000 You don't think this is crazy?

00:34:40.000 Like, this isn't like, oh, we know they used the wood from these trees to build these homes.

00:34:46.000 This is bananas.

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 This is something that would take us hundreds of years today to build.

00:34:48.000 Whole other level.

00:34:55.000 And one of the things that is said so much, but I guess it's kind of shrugged off just because it said so much, but it's actually a really important point to highlight. 0.96

00:35:01.000 There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids.

00:35:04.000 There's not a single symbol, not a single element of what we would understand to be dynastic Egypt. 0.98

00:35:04.000 Not one. 0.98

00:35:10.000 And so, like, you have this incredible contradiction when you go to places like the Valley of the Kings and the Valley of the Queens, gold, and it's adorned in patterns.

00:35:18.000 You can't see a square inch of stone where there isn't something filled to venerate these people.

00:35:23.000 And yet, the pyramids are bare.

00:35:26.000 Bare.

00:35:27.000 And, you know, when you go inside them, you're going to go to Egypt, are you going to go? 0.97

00:35:30.000 Yeah.

00:35:30.000 Eventually.

00:35:31.000 When you go inside them, it just feels mechanical.

00:35:34.000 It feels functional.

00:35:35.000 It's, you know, big port collises of rose granite and these shafts going off perfectly vertical off into that.

00:35:43.000 You can't even see, and there's nothing about it that feels spiritual or funerary at all.

00:35:51.000 Just looking at it it looks to me like an advancement of what we are.

00:35:57.000 That's almost like indescribable, like a thousand year advancement of where we are currently to build.

00:36:03.000 Something like that right, it seems so nuts, and there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts.

00:36:08.000 It's just beautiful and impressive right, you know, just like the Coliseum in Rome is exactly.

00:36:13.000 Or like you know, the Acropolis, you know, all those things are fascinating and incredible craftsmanship and engineering and architecture amazing, yeah. 0.99

00:36:23.000 But then there's Egypt and you go shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:36:26.000 That's nuts yeah, and I resent the idea that we're like taking it away from them. 1.00

00:36:26.000 Like what is that? 1.00

00:36:30.000 It's like let's just be logical about this and actually assess the toolkit and assess the capabilities and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.

00:36:37.000 Also, we're not, because it's people that lived in the same place, so it's literally just the older versions of them.

00:36:42.000 Right, it's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came and they did it all and then they flew back exactly.

00:36:47.000 No, that's not what anybody's saying.

00:36:49.000 We're just saying it's your more ancient ancestors, like your ancestors, not we're just the timeline's off.

00:36:55.000 The timeline seems funky.

00:36:56.000 Clearly there were some amazing things that the Egyptians did during the accepted timeline.

00:37:02.000 I mean, they were a fascinating culture, amazing all through till the end.

00:37:06.000 Yeah right, but the when you go really far back, whatever that is is nuts.

00:37:12.000 And when you're saying that you know exactly when it was dated, when there's so much evidence of just today, modern doing these reconstructions and fixing and all the the the, the feet of the sphinx and they're covering it with new fucking rocks, like they've always been doing renovations they always do. 0.92

00:37:30.000 So all this stuff that you're saying, like you got a piece of wood from inside one of the cracks, like bitch, that doesn't mean anything exactly. 0.98

00:37:37.000 You can't date those rocks. 0.98

00:37:38.000 No, unless you get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and take a chunk of organic material from deep underneath that thing so you can know when the first stones are placed. 0.97

00:37:48.000 You don't know, you're guessing and I I think that that's why we're coming to a point now where there's such resistance from the mainstream when you see scans like this, because they've they've built themselves into a wall, it would you basically have to admit, yeah, we've just fucking wrong. 0.98

00:38:05.000 You're also, like you know them, confronted by real evidence.

00:38:05.000 You're all.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, like real evidence, and like just when someone takes you for a walk inside the king's chamber and you look up at those stones that somehow they got, like how high are they in the sky?

00:38:19.000 How high are they in the ceiling?

00:38:20.000 How high are they?

00:38:21.000 Do you remember?

00:38:22.000 Oh god no, I don't sorry.

00:38:23.000 What 80 ton stones?

00:38:24.000 Yeah, some tons in the king's chamber.

00:38:26.000 80 tons?

00:38:27.000 How tall?

00:38:28.000 Let's look at that is near the apex Jammy. 1.00

00:38:32.000 Please put this into perplexity.

00:38:33.000 How tall is the ceiling inside the king's King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid?

00:38:40.000 Because these things are perfectly placed in there. 0.95

00:38:43.000 Even if you drag those somehow or another across the mountains for 500 miles and got it to the pyramid, how the fuck did you get it up there? 0.72

00:38:52.000 Exactly.

00:38:52.000 How'd you get them all to line up?

00:38:54.000 How many people got squished?

00:38:56.000 Chamber itself spans 10.5 meters long by 5.2 meters wide.

00:39:01.000 How tall is the ceiling?

00:39:03.000 19 feet.

00:39:04.000 19.

00:39:05.000 But it's also near the top of the pyramid.

00:39:07.000 It's incredibly high up in the pyramid as well.

00:39:08.000 They had to lift it to that point.

00:39:10.000 You have to get these 80-ton blocks 19 feet and then place them perfectly.

00:39:16.000 And there's absolutely, again, there's nothing kingly about the king's chamber at all.

00:39:21.000 It's just completely a bare room of rose granite with this sarcophagus coming up out of the floor with a huge chunk missing.

00:39:30.000 And actually, if you look at where that huge chunk is missing and you turn around and you look at the wall, there's actually a massive impact on the wall.

00:39:36.000 There's like a big part of the wall that's been broken off.

00:39:38.000 So it makes me wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off at some point from power or something.

00:39:43.000 What do you think is in that?

00:39:44.000 What they call the sarcophagus?

00:39:46.000 Do you have a theory?

00:39:46.000 I mean, I've been inside it.

00:39:48.000 There's nothing inside of it.

00:39:49.000 You got in it?

00:39:50.000 Yeah, I laid down inside of it.

00:39:52.000 With a grand master of the Temple or Order chanting over me.

00:39:52.000 That's kind of creepy.

00:39:56.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 Oh, fun.

00:39:57.000 That was my first trip to Egypt.

00:39:59.000 You're going to take a video of that and put it up on X, and no one's ever going to take you seriously.

00:40:03.000 Yeah, right, right. 1.00

00:40:04.000 This guy's a fucking kook. 1.00

00:40:07.000 I am. 1.00

00:40:08.000 I am a kook. 0.97

00:40:09.000 Well, you have to be a kook. 1.00

00:40:10.000 You know, yeah. 0.96

00:40:10.000 You have to be a kook to really enjoy this. 0.96

00:40:13.000 And you have to be on the fringe.

00:40:14.000 And also, I think some of the most impressive scientists and creators have been people on the fringe who were laughed at by all their peers.

00:40:21.000 Well, especially now, because the way universities work is essentially there's a person that is the most important person in that field, right, at that university.

00:40:33.000 And there's a bunch of people that want grants, and there's a bunch of people that want to play nice, they want their career, they want tenure, and you've got to be careful whose toes you step on.

00:40:40.000 And if this one guy is the gatekeeper of it or a group of guys like him at various universities are the gatekeepers to this information, you're going to come up with the current bottleneck problem that we see, where people are not just unwilling, but aggressively attacking people to question this.

00:40:55.000 Which is why they called Graham Hancock's show the most dangerous show on television.

00:40:59.000 Like, that is so crazy.

00:41:00.000 You have so many shows where people get murdered.

00:41:02.000 That's the best way to make a show go viral, though, isn't it?

00:41:05.000 Best way to make a show go viral. 1.00

00:41:06.000 Don't fucking watch this show. 1.00

00:41:07.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:41:08.000 Great job on the page.

00:41:09.000 They did a great job.

00:41:10.000 But it does bring up a disturbing and worrying element of it, just how quickly the mainstream media in various outlets all aligned at once to call him everything from a racist to a pseudo-scientist to a conspiracy theorist.

00:41:24.000 And, you know, it is an alarming kickback that he's taken in his stride profoundly.

00:41:30.000 Profoundly.

00:41:30.000 He's a wonderful guy.

00:41:31.000 He's great.

00:41:32.000 I can't wait to speak to him.

00:41:33.000 I literally missed him by like three days when I went out to Peru.

00:41:35.000 I was gutted.

00:41:36.000 He was my first real guest.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 He was, wasn't he?

00:41:40.000 Me and him and Duncan.

00:41:42.000 Oh my God, that must have been such a reward.

00:41:44.000 Right from England, we got him to drive to my house.

00:41:48.000 And then once he got to my house, we ordered pizza.

00:41:50.000 We all ate pizza.

00:41:52.000 I couldn't believe I'm hanging out with Graham Hancock.

00:41:54.000 I was so giddy.

00:41:56.000 It was like one of the first actual guests.

00:41:58.000 Giddy moments.

00:41:59.000 You're just like, I can't believe I'm actually sitting with this dude.

00:42:01.000 Yeah, because the guests before that had mostly been comics or some person that I thought was interesting.

00:42:07.000 Some guy that I met at the comedy store.

00:42:09.000 I'm like, what do you do?

00:42:10.000 You're a therapist, and what do you give people?

00:42:12.000 Come on over.

00:42:13.000 Come and talk to me about that.

00:42:14.000 Yeah, I did a lot of those.

00:42:15.000 But he was, I think, the first real guest.

00:42:18.000 Was there like a conscious decision for you to kind of like evolve it from just comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from a variety of subjects?

00:42:27.000 Because I know you're a curious person.

00:42:28.000 You've probably been researching these things even at the point before you were doing that kind of podcast because clearly you were.

00:42:34.000 But yeah, what was the natural evolution of that for you?

00:42:36.000 Well, I was always into books about ancient history and whether it's, you know, like modernly, you know, commonly accepted narrative or Graham Hancock stuff.

00:42:47.000 But I got into Graham Hancock's stuff, I think in the 90s, Fingerprints of the Gods came out. 0.88

00:42:53.000 And I fucking loved it. 0.58

00:42:54.000 I was so fascinated by it. 0.99

00:42:56.000 I couldn't shut the fuck up about it. 0.94

00:42:57.000 I would tell people, they're like, you got to see this. 0.97

00:42:59.000 Like, I think this guy's right.

00:43:01.000 I think we are a history with amnesia or a race with amnesia.

00:43:06.000 And then, of course, I watched Chariots of the Gods, that film, which I thought was very kooky and fun.

00:43:12.000 It's very campy and fun.

00:43:14.000 And here's the thing about that.

00:43:16.000 I dismissed it for a long time.

00:43:18.000 And I said, it's nonsense.

00:43:20.000 And I was, I actually had lunch once.

00:43:23.000 Eric Weinstein took me to lunch at Peter Thiel's house where we talked to Von Daniken.

00:43:31.000 And it was fun, fun conversation.

00:43:34.000 Interesting.

00:43:35.000 I'm talking to he's a full-on true believer of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory.

00:43:43.000 And back, see, I've gone in like multiple stages in my cognitive dissonance.

00:43:48.000 And for a while, I was all in with the aliens.

00:43:51.000 I hear you.

00:43:52.000 And then for a while, I was like, no, no, no.

00:43:52.000 I'm the same, though.

00:43:55.000 There was an advanced civilization, and we're just a rebuilding of that civilization.

00:43:59.000 And that's probably why we're so barbaric.

00:44:01.000 And now I'm like, why are they mutually exclusive?

00:44:05.000 Yeah, I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

00:44:05.000 It could be a mix.

00:44:07.000 At one point, the gods walked amongst us, you know?

00:44:10.000 Right.

00:44:11.000 And that's when I see the things like the tridactyl mummies. 1.00

00:44:14.000 And I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

00:44:15.000 What is that?

00:44:16.000 What are we talking?

00:44:17.000 Why is Peru so weird?

00:44:18.000 Why do they have artwork that you can only see from the sky? 0.99

00:44:20.000 Like, there's a lot of weird shit going on here. 0.98

00:44:23.000 Don't be so quick to jump. 0.99

00:44:25.000 So, but my point is, like, I've always been fascinated by stories.

00:44:25.000 Exactly.

00:44:32.000 First of all, any subject that makes you ridiculous for considering it. 0.89

00:44:36.000 I'm always like, what's that about? 0.98

00:44:39.000 Why is that ridiculous? 0.96

00:44:39.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:44:40.000 You scratch that itch a little bit.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, even the kooky ones, like ghosts.

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:44.000 Bigfoot, all the cookie ones.

00:44:46.000 Like, why?

00:44:47.000 What's the resistance?

00:44:48.000 I don't know.

00:44:48.000 I've got a Russian astronaut tell me a Bigfoot story.

00:44:51.000 Yeah.

00:44:54.000 Pinch of salt, but he claimed that he had been told this by a military guy out in Russia that they were in the rec room of this Air Force base.

00:45:05.000 And apparently, this is according to this Russian astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow.

00:45:12.000 And he said that this Yeti Sasquatch type being apparently just waltzed in, like just walked into their rec room, helped itself to some water from the water thing, waved, and then vanished.

00:45:28.000 I don't know.

00:45:31.000 So this guy, what was his job?

00:45:33.000 He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Star City, Moscow.

00:45:38.000 Bro, they probably dosed him up with Sasquatch.

00:45:40.000 They did.

00:45:41.000 MK Ultra Drugs.

00:45:43.000 If you're holding on to that kind of information, interesting stuff.

00:45:46.000 They'll probably experiment on you. 0.98

00:45:48.000 Yeah.

00:45:49.000 They probably gave that guy somewhere.

00:45:51.000 I've never given the Sasquatch thing.

00:45:54.000 It's due course in researching it, to be honest.

00:45:56.000 I've been very dismissive of that.

00:45:57.000 But maybe, maybe, you know, I mean, like, I have a few years with it.

00:46:01.000 I used to have a Sasquatch Bigfoot footprint, like a cast, like a plaster cast on the desk.

00:46:07.000 He said, rest in peace, Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum.

00:46:10.000 He just recently died.

00:46:12.000 I had him as a guest on the show once, too. 0.99

00:46:15.000 He's so crazy. 0.96

00:46:16.000 I told him, I asked him if he was so crazy, but in a wonderful way. 0.99

00:46:20.000 I said, if you could cut a finger off to know that Sasquatch was real, would you do it? 0.74

00:46:25.000 He was like, yes, instantly. 1.00

00:46:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:46:28.000 It's your finger. 1.00

00:46:29.000 Don't say yes to that.

00:46:31.000 Because the information just comes out.

00:46:32.000 You don't have to lose a finger. 1.00

00:46:34.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:46:35.000 Just sitting there with half a finger. 1.00

00:46:37.000 I think Bigfoot was a real thing.

00:46:39.000 I think that's why there's so like.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:41.000 Do you think it was just like some sort of like branch of creature?

00:46:43.000 Because so many people think it's like an interdimensional being or a figure.

00:46:46.000 It could be that too, but I think it's gigantopithecus initially.

00:46:49.000 Gigantopithecus was an absolute real thing that we didn't even know existed until the, I believe it was the 20s.

00:46:49.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, around then.

00:46:56.000 Guys find his teeth in an apothecary shop in China, and then they started researching it and finding where the dig sites were.

00:47:02.000 And, you know, they found jawbones that indicate that it was bipedal.

00:47:05.000 So this is a bipedal hominid that's eight to ten feet tall.

00:47:08.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 That's Bigfoot.

00:47:09.000 What is that?

00:47:10.000 That is Bigfoot.

00:47:11.000 And that's probably, and also, this thing 100% lived around modern human beings.

00:47:16.000 Like what we are today, it lived around us.

00:47:18.000 So imagine you see one of those things. 1.00

00:47:22.000 Well, first of all, you're going to fucking run like hell. 0.99

00:47:24.000 You're going to have stories. 0.99

00:47:26.000 This thing lives in the woods or in the jungle.

00:47:28.000 Stay out of this spot.

00:47:29.000 That's where this thing lives.

00:47:30.000 And that's going to be passed on from generation to generation to generation until even after they're gone, now it's just a whisper.

00:47:37.000 Now it's just a thing.

00:47:38.000 Now it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.

00:47:40.000 Are there like antiquated Bigfoot stories outside of just modern?

00:47:46.000 Oh, without a doubt.

00:47:47.000 Especially Native American cultures.

00:47:48.000 Oh, interesting.

00:47:49.000 That's what's interesting: Native American tribes, there's multiple, obviously, many different tribes, many different languages, right?

00:47:56.000 They all have a word for this thing.

00:48:00.000 Let's put this into perplexity.

00:48:02.000 How many different Native American names are there for Bigfoot?

00:48:08.000 Because I believe Sasquatch is a Native American. 0.99

00:48:11.000 I don't know which tribe had that, but there's multiple different names for this hairy creature that lives in the woods.

00:48:17.000 But they don't have names for like a giraffe that lives in the woods.

00:48:21.000 They don't have like other mystical animals, mythical creatures.

00:48:25.000 They just have this one.

00:48:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:48:27.000 And this one is a fucking weird one. 0.98

00:48:29.000 Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect. 0.98

00:48:31.000 It's treated differently than just an animal, even for a moment.

00:48:34.000 That might be real, too.

00:48:35.000 This is part of the problem.

00:48:36.000 It's like we might be dealing with multiple different things.

00:48:40.000 It might not even be Gigantopithecus.

00:48:44.000 Sasquettes, Skookum.

00:48:45.000 I've heard that.

00:48:45.000 That's right.

00:48:46.000 Omah.

00:48:46.000 That's right.

00:48:47.000 There was a movie called Omaha.

00:48:48.000 The guy who did the American Werewolf in the world.

00:48:50.000 That's just the last words you say when you see Bigfoot.

00:48:52.000 Omah! 0.98

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, okay.

00:48:56.000 Shai Tanka.

00:48:58.000 Big Elder Brother.

00:49:00.000 70 to 80 names.

00:49:01.000 Wicked Cannibal.

00:49:02.000 Oh, boy.

00:49:04.000 Wicked Cannibal.

00:49:04.000 Windago.

00:49:05.000 Yeah, Wendigo.

00:49:06.000 Wendigo.

00:49:06.000 I've heard that one.

00:49:07.000 Yeah, I've heard that one.

00:49:08.000 And Yetiso.

00:49:10.000 How to say that?

00:49:11.000 Yetiso.

00:49:13.000 Yetiso.

00:49:14.000 Big God.

00:49:15.000 And that's the Navajo name.

00:49:16.000 So there's a bunch of different underneath that, too.

00:49:19.000 Yeah, like says about 70 to 80 names when accounting for variance across 50 tribes.

00:49:24.000 So what is that?

00:49:24.000 Okay.

00:49:25.000 And it's the same with the alien grays, like the ant people. 0.99

00:49:27.000 Yes.

00:49:28.000 Well, and then it brings to the same thing.

00:49:30.000 Like, it brings us to the same subject of what if there is a way to traverse dimensions?

00:49:36.000 What if this is not as simple as something gets in a spaceship and it comes here from another planet?

00:49:41.000 What if it's coming from another place?

00:49:43.000 And what if that doorway is open to other things?

00:49:46.000 And what if some of those things are a Sasquatch?

00:49:49.000 Like, and under the right conditions, this pathway is open.

00:49:53.000 Right.

00:49:54.000 And maybe it's not even something that actually exists, but you can see.

00:49:58.000 Exists in our tangible timeline.

00:50:00.000 But you can see under heavy stress, under anxiety.

00:50:04.000 And imagine, what gets you more stressed out than being in the woods at night?

00:50:08.000 The woods at night creates a lot of anxiety for people because there's all these sounds and you're looking around.

00:50:08.000 Right?

00:50:13.000 It's dark.

00:50:14.000 You're vulnerable.

00:50:15.000 Especially if you live in real woods, like woods that have predators in them.

00:50:19.000 It's sketchy.

00:50:20.000 And I bet there's different states of mind that you would, If there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of a way that an intelligent creature can get to a point where it has the technology to access other dimensions.

00:50:38.000 It can go into other spaces.

00:50:42.000 Would you even be able to see it all the time?

00:50:44.000 Would you only be able to see it if you were under a highly anxious state in the woods?

00:50:51.000 You're kind of a little freaked out.

00:50:52.000 You're more open to weird things.

00:50:54.000 And then it senses that and communicates with you.

00:50:58.000 Well, we are.

00:50:59.000 Sounds kooky.

00:51:00.000 We're dominated by our perception.

00:51:02.000 And we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception.

00:51:05.000 You know, you get up the whole light spectrum and look at visible light, just this tiny corridor of visible light that we're able to see.

00:51:12.000 Obviously, we've developed IR and, you know, different. 0.91

00:51:14.000 And if you film the night sky with infrared, you get weird shit.

00:51:18.000 You get these orbs and things that seem to fly by.

00:51:21.000 And I think that it is a perceptual thing because the reason I even started my YouTube channel is because I've had my own experiences with UFO type phenomena that were entirely initiated by me.

00:51:37.000 Like I asked for them to come and they did.

00:51:40.000 See, that sounds kooky.

00:51:42.000 Take that clip and I dismiss you immediately.

00:51:44.000 This guy's quite wait for it.

00:51:45.000 But this is one of the things that people have been saying for a long time is that there's actual groups of people and there was even some guy who was like somehow or another connected to the government that was saying that they lead these people out.

00:51:59.000 They go out into the desert and they have like some sort of a secret frequency.

00:52:05.000 He didn't want to discuss it that they can push out.

00:52:08.000 They can send out the secret frequency and it'll call them in and that other people have done it simply by willing them in.

00:52:15.000 That's what I said.

00:52:16.000 So sitting there and putting out this message that you're trying to communicate with them and then eventually they show up.

00:52:22.000 Yeah.

00:52:23.000 I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all that kind of stuff.

00:52:27.000 But do you want to hear my UFO story?

00:52:30.000 I can't.

00:52:31.000 First of all, did you come up with this idea on your own or did you hear about people doing this?

00:52:35.000 No, I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing figure in the UFO community.

00:52:40.000 I know you've spoken to him, Dr. Stephen Greer.

00:52:43.000 Polarizing people are right sometimes.

00:52:46.000 He's right on this.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, they could be right on a lot of things.

00:52:48.000 He's right on this.

00:52:49.000 And, you know, I know that a lot of people have issues with Greer, but he was actually my intro into the UFO subject.

00:52:56.000 So I'll tell you the story.

00:52:58.000 Sorry about my throat.

00:53:00.000 let me just take a sip of water so um this was uh how did he find out about it It's a good question.

00:53:09.000 He had a near-death experience, I believe, and from that was actually apparently communicated to and shown things that when he came out of that experience, he became a samadhi type teacher.

00:53:20.000 Of course.

00:53:20.000 Got profoundly interested in that.

00:53:21.000 That's a great origin story.

00:53:22.000 Brilliant origin story.

00:53:24.000 My origin story was I was really bored during COVID.

00:53:28.000 So like honestly, though, it was actually in 2019 that I had these experiences.

00:53:32.000 And I do think that it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork because I think a lot of people will recognize this as well.

00:53:40.000 And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot being in a high-stress environment in the forest.

00:53:45.000 Maybe that changes your perception.

00:53:47.000 And I think that there's a degree of trauma and a degree of intense emotional moments that can bring about paranormal experiences.

00:53:55.000 I don't know why, but it does seem to be something that a lot of people relate to.

00:53:58.000 Yes, I was in a very dark time.

00:54:00.000 Yes, I was having a very traumatic time.

00:54:01.000 Or yes, I was going through something.

00:54:03.000 And then this happened.

00:54:04.000 And so for me, I was in my third year of university and struggling.

00:54:10.000 Just had a whole mix of personal issues going on.

00:54:14.000 So I ended up kind of dropping out before I finished and was just in a really bad rut.

00:54:20.000 And my dad was worried about me.

00:54:21.000 And he said, look, I'm out and this is a bit of a long story, but it's important to lay this foundation, I think, before I talk about what I actually experienced because it plays in.

00:54:30.000 My dad was worried.

00:54:31.000 He was out in France at the time, and he said, Look, do you want to come out and stay at this place with me and just, you know, kind of relax and bring yourself back to normal?

00:54:37.000 I was like, Yeah, okay.

00:54:37.000 So I came out and he was like, I've got these books that I've been reading.

00:54:42.000 I think they'd be really beneficial for you.

00:54:45.000 You should read them.

00:54:45.000 And I was like, okay.

00:54:46.000 Like, you know, I don't see how a book's going to change.

00:54:49.000 Does he often recommend books?

00:54:50.000 Not massively, no.

00:54:51.000 In fact, no.

00:54:52.000 No.

00:54:53.000 This was the only time he recommended books, which is interesting.

00:54:56.000 And they were a series of books called Conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh.

00:55:00.000 Have you ever heard of them?

00:55:01.000 No.

00:55:02.000 So it's interesting.

00:55:02.000 Okay.

00:55:03.000 It kind of ties into, I suppose, the channeled works, things that people believe they receive.

00:55:08.000 I have heard of this.

00:55:08.000 Oh, wait a minute.

00:55:10.000 He's quite well known.

00:55:12.000 He, you know, was a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident, became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet, but was still struggling, wrote an angry letter to God, and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in the morning and was having voices literally telling him to write things down.

00:55:26.000 And so he wrote all of this down, and this became conversations with God.

00:55:29.000 It's literally a dialogue of him asking questions and him receiving answers, which he interpreted as from God.

00:55:35.000 Now, that is intense, and I'm definitely not here to say this is a Bible and everyone should read it.

00:55:39.000 However, it was incredibly impactful for me at that time.

00:55:42.000 The things that I was reading about, it was a very different idea of God, universal consciousness leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal cloud-living figure that just never made sense to me.

00:55:52.000 So it got me in, and I was reading it, and it helped tremendously, weirdly enough, which I didn't expect.

00:55:58.000 And that put me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and science and consciousness.

00:56:04.000 And that's where it really started for me.

00:56:07.000 But then a couple of years down the line, I found myself in another depression, in a sense, because I felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various different topics that I thought were like these big questions and big answers and big esoteric things.

00:56:19.000 And I just got to a point where I was like, none of this is actually helping me in my life.

00:56:22.000 In fact, I'm actually feeling like fucking worse for looking into all of this thing.

00:56:26.000 I don't know how this is going to benefit me. 0.88

00:56:28.000 So I was sitting on my bed one night and I just, I guess you could call it a prayer.

00:56:32.000 I just sat on my bed and said out loud to the universe, like, I need something that validates all of this.

00:56:39.000 Like, if I'm meant to be looking into these big picture questions about the universe and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like I need to know and I want evidence and I'm ready for it.

00:56:49.000 So give me it.

00:56:50.000 I want that.

00:56:51.000 And then a week later, my best friend at the time, he was like, hey, I was watching this documentary.

00:56:57.000 You've got to check it out.

00:56:58.000 It's called Unacknowledged by this guy called Dr. Stephen Greer.

00:57:01.000 And this is my first introduction to the UFO subject.

00:57:03.000 So I was like, okay, cool.

00:57:04.000 Sit down, watch that.

00:57:05.000 Very good documentary.

00:57:06.000 All of these different, you know, high-level officers and missile launch guys talking about UFOs.

00:57:12.000 It got me in.

00:57:13.000 And then near the end of that is when he brings up this concept of CE5, you know, initiating contact with these.

00:57:20.000 You can actually have your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative state.

00:57:25.000 If I hadn't been making that request on my bed the week prior, I probably just would have watched that documentary and gone about my life.

00:57:33.000 But it felt like a very strong message to me personally because I've been asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness.

00:57:40.000 Now there's a guy saying, yeah, you can actually have an experience by going out and attempting to ask for one.

00:57:47.000 So talk me through the process of actually doing that.

00:57:51.000 So he has.

00:57:52.000 Did you get it on the first try?

00:57:53.000 No.

00:57:55.000 How many times did you try?

00:57:57.000 It was a weird, gradual thing where things were happening in the sky that were enough to keep me going out, but not enough for me to be like, okay, this is legit.

00:58:07.000 So how many times did you go out before it worked?

00:58:10.000 Before I saw what I really, really saw, probably about a month of going out. 0.99

00:58:15.000 Damn, that's commitment. 0.94

00:58:16.000 But I was seeing things, but they weren't, it was kind of just enough to make me like, okay. 0.99

00:58:23.000 What are you seeing?

00:58:24.000 Lots of what the contact community call flash bulbs, flashes of light in the night sky in a void of space repeatedly without any discernible object attached to it, just one flash and then send a thought, another flash, send a thought, another flash.

00:58:41.000 And this happened multiple times.

00:58:42.000 I've been someone who watches the night sky all my life.

00:58:44.000 I'm used to seeing satellites.

00:58:45.000 I know what radium flares up.

00:58:47.000 I'm sorry for maybe an hour or two hours, you know.

00:58:50.000 And so you sit down.

00:58:52.000 Are you seated?

00:58:53.000 No, I usually be standing with my neck crane to the sky, but I would be.

00:58:58.000 Why don't I get a lounge chair?

00:58:59.000 Oh no.

00:59:01.000 I know.

00:59:02.000 I don't know.

00:59:02.000 I don't think about things properly sometimes when I do it.

00:59:05.000 Just lay down on the ground.

00:59:06.000 Just lay on the grass.

00:59:07.000 You get a better view of the sky.

00:59:08.000 Yeah, but it's cold in England and it was mildewy on the floor.

00:59:12.000 It was not.

00:59:13.000 Get a tarp.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:14.000 But I was, um, I was essentially, because of, again, being asking, asking the universe for something, the universe seemed to be giving me some sort of response.

00:59:24.000 It kind of lit a fire up under me and I started going outside.

00:59:27.000 And honestly, a lot of people, like even Grier, has this incredibly, you know, complicated method using Samadhi and doing various things.

00:59:35.000 I didn't do any of that.

00:59:36.000 I just breathed in through the nose and out through the mouth until I felt very calm and then began to very clearly model my thoughts around the concept of I want something to respond to me.

00:59:47.000 And then I would essentially visualize that that was emanating from me, that these thoughts were emanating from me.

00:59:53.000 And it didn't take very long before I'd have flashes of light in the sky that just seemed weird because I've never seen anything like that.

00:59:59.000 Or an incredible influx of what look and behave like satellites, but just at an incredibly high level.

01:00:05.000 Where it's just like, what's going on here?

01:00:07.000 And it just felt like a kind of step-by-step progression until in August of 2019, I had four incredibly vivid and real experiences with orange orbs of light.

01:00:21.000 Really profound.

01:00:22.000 What was that?

01:00:23.000 What happened?

01:00:24.000 So I was outside.

01:00:26.000 At this point, it became my routine.

01:00:28.000 It was in the summer of August and it was relatively warm.

01:00:31.000 So I was out doing this quite a lot, seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky, trying to figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing.

01:00:38.000 And I was standing at the back of my garden looking towards my house, night sky, crystal clear.

01:00:45.000 And I saw at the beginning a flash of light in the corner of the sky.

01:00:49.000 So I looked over and I saw this flash, another flash, another flash, and it was just blinking, but it was static in space.

01:00:57.000 And then it started moving down.

01:01:00.000 Every time it blinked, it would move further down.

01:01:02.000 And I was observing this.

01:01:03.000 And then it settled above two stars and kind of created the apex of a triangle.

01:01:08.000 And it was just flashing above these two stars.

01:01:10.000 And I was watching this for a while.

01:01:13.000 And it happened for long enough where I just decided, all right, I'm just thank you, whatever you are.

01:01:18.000 I'm just going to keep panning around the sky here and looking around.

01:01:21.000 And as I panned my head, I saw that there was a cloud, but I didn't really look at it.

01:01:26.000 And I turn around here, come back, and I see this cloud again.

01:01:30.000 And this time I really look at it.

01:01:32.000 And this cloud, Joe, had so strange.

01:01:36.000 It's like a dark cloud.

01:01:37.000 But when you stared at it, it had a staticky appearance.

01:01:41.000 It's very hard to describe other than imagine a light overlay of TV static.

01:01:45.000 There was particles.

01:01:47.000 It was agitated.

01:01:48.000 It was shimmering.

01:01:50.000 Certainly not anything I've ever seen in my life.

01:01:50.000 Not a cloud.

01:01:53.000 And if we pretend this microphone is my house and this cloud is here, it's drifting this way.

01:01:58.000 So eventually it's going to drift past my house and go this way, at least according to its natural trajectory.

01:02:04.000 It gets to my house and it does a right angle turn and it starts coming towards me.

01:02:11.000 So eventually it's going to be above my head, this cloud-like formation.

01:02:15.000 A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky.

01:02:17.000 Abrupt, as in 90 degrees.

01:02:19.000 It's going like this, and now it's going like this towards you.

01:02:23.000 High up in the sky, but it's now in my path, complete 90-degree shift from its trajectory.

01:02:29.000 And I saw it, like a jarring, now it's going this way.

01:02:32.000 Okay, so at this point, I'm rooted in place.

01:02:35.000 I'm not really scared, but I'm shocked at the fact that this thing did what it just did.

01:02:40.000 And I'm watching as it's coming closer and closer towards where I'm going to be.

01:02:46.000 Eventually, it's directly above my head.

01:02:48.000 It sounds so crazy.

01:02:50.000 And you know, Terence McKenna said something like this. 0.99

01:02:52.000 He was like, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth about a UFO experience, you'll be taken for a fool. 0.94

01:02:58.000 It's like, it's true. 0.79

01:02:58.000 You know, if you just tell people what really happened, but this is what really happened. 0.79

01:03:03.000 So this cloud comes above my head.

01:03:06.000 As it's directly above my head, this cloud sucked into itself as if there was a central vacuum, a central point where it just got sucked into itself.

01:03:16.000 And it revealed a triangle formation of about 25, maybe 30 orange orbs of light in a triangle.

01:03:27.000 And this triangle, basically the cloud went, shh, triangle was revealed.

01:03:32.000 It kept moving.

01:03:34.000 I had to turn around and watch as it went off in this direction.

01:03:37.000 And as I was watching it, I could see that some of these orbs were actually swapping formation, swapping position in this formation.

01:03:47.000 And that was the first time I saw them.

01:03:49.000 I saw them on three other occasions, all within the space of a month after this.

01:03:53.000 Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day, and this is the only element of the story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds, it's the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable.

01:04:03.000 I was getting out of the shower, and as I was drying myself off, immediately, immediately noticed where this tattoo is now.

01:04:10.000 There was a triangle mark of three red marks, one here, one here, one here.

01:04:16.000 Very vivid, like the music.

01:04:18.000 You covered it up with a tattoo?

01:04:20.000 Well, it faded.

01:04:21.000 It faded over the pictures of it.

01:04:23.000 I have taken pictures of it.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:25.000 Is it clear?

01:04:26.000 Yes.

01:04:26.000 Can I see it?

01:04:27.000 I can try and find them, yeah.

01:04:29.000 I haven't got my internet on right now.

01:04:32.000 Jamie, if you go onto my ex account and just type in Jay Anderson marks on arm, maybe that will come up.

01:04:43.000 I should have really sent that ahead of time, but I do have images online.

01:04:43.000 I'm sorry.

01:04:46.000 People have seen them and I've discussed it many times.

01:04:49.000 Did it look like a wound?

01:04:50.000 This is the thing.

01:04:52.000 So three red marks, no bump, no scab, no itching, no feeling of discomfort.

01:05:00.000 There was a slight shine to them, as if it was almost like a healed over burn.

01:05:06.000 And this was very vivid.

01:05:08.000 It didn't dissipate for over a year.

01:05:11.000 It was on my arm for about a year before it faded away, eventually faded away.

01:05:16.000 And then I got Hermies Chrismagistas tattooed on my arm.

01:05:18.000 But weirdly enough, I got this tattoo and then got invited to Egypt.

01:05:24.000 But yeah, I had these experiences.

01:05:27.000 I had another experience where they came down and hovered above my house.

01:05:31.000 Can I ask you this?

01:05:32.000 So these orbs, there's...

01:05:33.000 There you go.

01:05:34.000 There you go.

01:05:35.000 Thanks, Jamie.

01:05:36.000 Thanks for that.

01:05:37.000 Yeah.

01:05:37.000 That is.

01:05:38.000 It looks like you burned three cigarettes on your arm. 1.00

01:05:40.000 That's what some asshole online definitely claimed. 1.00

01:05:42.000 But I didn't. 1.00

01:05:43.000 That's what I would say, too.

01:05:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:47.000 That's crazy.

01:05:48.000 Yeah, I noticed it immediately.

01:05:51.000 Very well.

01:05:51.000 I'm not particularly comfortable with it.

01:05:53.000 I don't know what it really means. 0.97

01:05:55.000 I really, I'm a bit of an idiot, Joe, because, like, you know, I should have gone to a dermatologist. 0.97

01:06:00.000 I should have actually had someone look at it. 0.99

01:06:02.000 I'm not branded, but like cattle, son.

01:06:04.000 Well, that's kind of what I think.

01:06:06.000 And at the same time, can I even be mad at them?

01:06:10.000 I was like, show me, show me, give me evidence.

01:06:11.000 I want to sign. 1.00

01:06:12.000 Well, fuck it, fine then. 1.00

01:06:13.000 Right. 1.00

01:06:13.000 There you go, dude. 1.00

01:06:14.000 I would say whatever that is on your arm, who knows?

01:06:16.000 Maybe a dermatologist could explain it. 0.52

01:06:18.000 It's just a coincidence, but the actual thing itself is far more interesting to me.

01:06:23.000 And like, because one of the things that people always say is: if they were out there, what wouldn't we see them?

01:06:29.000 Like, God, if they could come here from another dimension, or if they can come here from another planet or another solar system, don't you think they could probably hide?

01:06:36.000 Like, we're pretty good at hiding.

01:06:38.000 Like, don't you think, like, we have technology right now, like the stealth bomber stuff, that diminishes the radar signal.

01:06:48.000 Exactly.

01:06:49.000 You can't pick them up on radar.

01:06:51.000 So why would it be impossible to somehow or another manipulate your visual field, project what looks like clouds on the outside?

01:07:00.000 We know that we can do stuff like that with plasma.

01:07:02.000 Like, they have these plasma things that can spin in the sky.

01:07:06.000 Absolutely.

01:07:06.000 It's weird.

01:07:07.000 They can make objects out of them.

01:07:09.000 I wonder if that was plasma.

01:07:10.000 I actually do wonder if this was a form of self-organizing plasma.

01:07:13.000 Because that's definitely something that people have looked into quite a bit.

01:07:16.000 Maybe plasma has intelligence. 0.69

01:07:18.000 Yes.

01:07:19.000 Yes.

01:07:20.000 And perhaps these are a form of individuated plasmic intelligences that can interact.

01:07:27.000 And one thing that's very interesting about that, there was a brilliant paper actually.

01:07:30.000 I did a video on it.

01:07:32.000 It's like 11 different scientific institutes looking at the idea of self-organizing plasma and intelligent plasma.

01:07:39.000 And they were using some references.

01:07:40.000 Like, do you know the STS-75 NASA missions where the tether broke and you had all of these strange things going around the tether?

01:07:47.000 Yes.

01:07:47.000 So that's dismissed as ice particles and things like that.

01:07:50.000 Have you ever seen the motion tracking version of that where someone actually attached the flight paths of each object so you can see the flight path?

01:07:56.000 No.

01:07:57.000 That's crazy because, yeah, I'm sure if Jamie looks up, STS-75 flight path lights are going towards that thing and checking it out.

01:08:07.000 Yeah, so this is, you know, this is a gigantic tether.

01:08:10.000 I think it's like two kilometers long or something.

01:08:12.000 It's absolutely insane.

01:08:13.000 It broke away from the ship.

01:08:14.000 And as it broke away, you had these, well, what some people believe to be UFOs or plasmic intelligences.

01:08:21.000 Or if you're on the mainstream side, you'd say these are ice particles.

01:08:26.000 If you go slightly further back, slightly further back, they go just as that green one starting up.

01:08:26.000 There you go.

01:08:31.000 This is the flight path.

01:08:32.000 So if you just take it back to the beginning of that, and this is where they've attached the flight paths, and you will see complete 90-degree turns.

01:08:39.000 You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change.

01:08:43.000 And it's incredible.

01:08:46.000 I wonder if it's just a kind of life that we assume we exist.

01:08:54.000 I think so.

01:08:54.000 I really do.

01:08:55.000 Like the things they find at these volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean.

01:08:59.000 They're like, oh, we didn't even know that something could survive down here.

01:09:02.000 There could be a type of life that survives in the void of space.

01:09:06.000 And it wouldn't be a biological thing.

01:09:08.000 It would be some form of energy or light.

01:09:11.000 This is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom DeLong when he went to the Pentagon that there's amoebas in space the size of whales and like, you know, that these things were essential.

01:09:19.000 Should they tell them?

01:09:20.000 Yeah, I remember when he was on Fade to Black and he was talking about, you know, that there are these amoebas in space that are like, you know, a couple of things.

01:09:26.000 But why would they tell him?

01:09:27.000 And then he goes on those shows and tells, like, I feel like that's the type of guy that you tell some things that you want to get out.

01:09:35.000 Yeah.

01:09:36.000 And it doesn't necessarily have to be true.

01:09:38.000 No, no.

01:09:39.000 Matter of fact, it's more fun if it's not true. 0.99

01:09:41.000 And make them say as much kooky shit as possible so that the stuff that he's going to say that's true looks ridiculous. 0.97

01:09:48.000 And now all of those guys that gave him that information are on the age of disclosure. 0.99

01:09:52.000 Exactly.

01:09:53.000 We should trust them, right?

01:09:55.000 We should trust all of these government spooks.

01:09:57.000 It's fun.

01:09:58.000 If you're playing, it's like the world is a gigantic escape room.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, yeah, dude.

01:10:05.000 You're playing a bunch of weird puzzles and you're trying to figure it out, but nothing is what it seems.

01:10:11.000 Nothing's worth it.

01:10:11.000 Nothing's as it seems.

01:10:13.000 I think with Tom DeLong and the UFO subject and Tudor Stars Academy and all the things that have happened since like 2017 New York Times, I have opinions on it because I think I might be the first guest that you've had on that wasn't already quite established.

01:10:29.000 So I've had to work my way up through social media, through the interactions in the community, to personal relations with people that aren't big names or anything like that.

01:10:39.000 I've had to work my way up it.

01:10:41.000 So I've seen and been exposed to things that perhaps people like Jeremy Corbel and others who are already quite big names haven't seen because they're too big. 0.92

01:10:48.000 They don't need to be on social media looking at fucking comments or like what's going on in the X space. 0.74

01:10:53.000 But if you are like that, you start to notice things. 0.94

01:10:56.000 And so what's interesting to me, despite what anyone wants to say about Stephen Greer, and I've got my own issues with Stephen Greer, what's interesting to me is that the only person really who was making noise prior to TTSA was Stephen Greer.

01:11:10.000 He was the one that was putting out Netflix documentaries that were getting seen by millions of people all over the world.

01:11:15.000 And he was saying, you know, these are black budget illegal programs.

01:11:20.000 This is an anti-congressional crime against humanity.

01:11:23.000 We need to be busting down the doors. 0.91

01:11:25.000 This is, you know, not exactly what they would want to hear if they were inside the national security state.

01:11:29.000 There's this guy out there saying this.

01:11:31.000 What do you do about that?

01:11:33.000 Well, do you know how Tom DeLong got linked up at the very beginning to all of this?

01:11:38.000 So he's always been a UFO guy.

01:11:38.000 No.

01:11:40.000 And because of his background and the money, he was able to secure connections.

01:11:46.000 And he was very friendly with Greer.

01:11:48.000 He was best buds with Greer at one point.

01:11:49.000 In fact, there's a video of him when he's quite young.

01:11:52.000 And he's pointing out all of the witness, UFO witness tapes that he's got in his library.

01:11:58.000 And he's like, you know, these are all, I'm holding on to these for a guy.

01:12:01.000 He's got like 50 whistleblowers.

01:12:02.000 He's bringing this all out.

01:12:03.000 And this is before Greer, you know, kind of made the announcement.

01:12:05.000 So it's obviously Greer.

01:12:07.000 And Tom DeLong's on Fade to Black in, I want to say 2015, talking about this, where he tells a story of how a friend of his at Lockheed Martin calls him up and says, hey, we're having a family and friends meet and greet over at Lockheed Martin.

01:12:22.000 Would you want to introduce the bosses to the stage?

01:12:26.000 And he said, yeah, but I want 10 minutes with your bosses afterwards.

01:12:30.000 And they were like, okay.

01:12:32.000 And so he went and he introduced them on stage.

01:12:34.000 And then he tells a story of being taken through, you know, these white noise corridors and down into this place where eventually he was chilling with the guys at Skunk Works and, you know, these big directors are all sitting in this room.

01:12:45.000 They're like, okay, what is it you want to talk about?

01:12:47.000 This is where he pitches Two to the Stars Academy of Arts and Science and this framework.

01:12:52.000 And what's interesting is on the radio when he's talking about this, he's saying, you have to approach these guys like you want to be of service.

01:12:59.000 You know, I was saying, I'm being of service.

01:13:01.000 I want to help.

01:13:02.000 I want to help.

01:13:03.000 So you've got a disruptive rogue person out there, Stephen Greer, saying all this stuff, causing commotion.

01:13:10.000 What do we do about that?

01:13:12.000 I have no idea.

01:13:13.000 Suddenly, in walks a rock star.

01:13:16.000 Because that's basically what he said.

01:13:16.000 Use me.

01:13:18.000 Use me.

01:13:19.000 I'm happy to do whatever.

01:13:20.000 I am your conjuate into the public.

01:13:22.000 Now, no disrespect to Tom.

01:13:23.000 I've met him.

01:13:23.000 He's a lovely guy and he's very passionate about the subject.

01:13:26.000 But I do think he was used.

01:13:27.000 And what you get from there is the Two to Stars Academy platform.

01:13:31.000 Suddenly you have this official kind of green lit disclosure, very soft disclosure that's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure.

01:13:38.000 And we're all being encouraged to partake and support in this very, what should we say, curated method of soft disclosure for the people.

01:13:48.000 I think that they were very worried about what type of disruptive truths might come out before it was time to talk about them.

01:13:54.000 And then suddenly Tom DeLong was a very useful medium for communicating this.

01:13:58.000 When you see things like the WikiLeaks emails between him and John Podesta, where he's literally saying this is about bolstering PR for the military industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth and the generations of youth today don't trust the government.

01:14:13.000 We want to change that.

01:14:13.000 We want to change the perception of the military and the government.

01:14:16.000 He's literally emailing John Podesta about this.

01:14:18.000 So it's very clear that at the very least he was willing to be the messenger of whatever message they wanted to give him.

01:14:26.000 And it just so happens that that message completely counteracts what Greer is talking about in terms of classified black budget programs that have already cracked reverse engineering.

01:14:33.000 We cracked anti-gravity in October 1954.

01:14:36.000 You know, this kind of stuff.

01:14:37.000 It's like complete reversal of that narrative.

01:14:39.000 Interesting.

01:14:40.000 Yeah.

01:14:41.000 Interesting.

01:14:42.000 Well, it makes sense.

01:14:42.000 That's the, what's the term?

01:14:44.000 Useful idiots? 1.00

01:14:45.000 Useful idiot. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Yeah, they love doing that. 1.00

01:14:47.000 Yeah.

01:14:48.000 You know, I've said it before, I'll say it again.

01:14:50.000 I know I've had people on this podcast that were doing that with me.

01:14:53.000 And I know they were coming on saying a bunch of nonsense.

01:14:56.000 But you have to let them talk because the truth comes out in the wash.

01:15:00.000 For sure.

01:15:01.000 And I think what's interesting about the age of disclosure is this narrative of the reality of what happened.

01:15:11.000 If it did happen, there's lying to Congress, there's misappropriation of funds.

01:15:16.000 You're going to need amnesty.

01:15:18.000 And so this is the narrative.

01:15:19.000 This narrative is we need amnesty.

01:15:21.000 It's like it's kind of a smart way to do it, right?

01:15:24.000 Do it in a documentary, have all these people that are probably implicated in some way say we need amnesty.

01:15:30.000 All these people that say that they know about these programs, amnesty is important because people have been.

01:15:37.000 But what they've been doing, really, if they have been doing what we assume they've been doing, we assume they've retrieved crashed UFOs and they've back engineered them.

01:15:46.000 We assume they've used that technology.

01:15:48.000 We assume they're aware that there's non-human intelligences that are far beyond our technological capabilities and that we interact with them.

01:15:56.000 You've committed a crime against humanity by not telling people that.

01:16:01.000 Because we all operate under the assumption that we have an understanding of what our role is in this ecosystem of life. 0.98

01:16:13.000 And if our role is not even remotely at the apex, if we are being visited and manipulated, and if we're actually a product of experiments, you should fucking tell us. 0.99

01:16:27.000 You guys can't be hanging out at Raytheon in the fucking conference. 1.00

01:16:31.000 You believe this shit? 1.00

01:16:32.000 Like, yeah, with your gold Rolexes on, dude. 1.00

01:16:35.000 You motherfuckers. 1.00

01:16:36.000 Right? 1.00

01:16:37.000 Right?

01:16:39.000 Tell us.

01:16:40.000 But we can't handle the truth.

01:16:42.000 But they're right.

01:16:43.000 They are right with the amnesty thing.

01:16:44.000 I think that's the pathway.

01:16:45.000 I mean, look, these guys are not going to.

01:16:47.000 No.

01:16:48.000 What they stole, they stole.

01:16:49.000 Okay.

01:16:50.000 What they did, they did.

01:16:51.000 The lying to Congress, the lies have been told. 0.99

01:16:54.000 Let's fucking find out what the truth is. 0.99

01:16:56.000 These guys, whatever they did, they did. 0.99

01:16:58.000 Okay.

01:16:58.000 You didn't stop it then.

01:17:00.000 Let it go.

01:17:01.000 The more important thing is, let's find out if this is real.

01:17:04.000 That's more important than everything.

01:17:05.000 For the race, for the human race, the entire human race.

01:17:09.000 And for science and technology, to have all this stuff locked down like that and not allow the great young minds that are coming up right now to have access to this is crazy.

01:17:21.000 You're wasting one of the most valuable resources that we have with secrecy.

01:17:26.000 I think there's so many different reasons why they might want to keep this a secret in terms of breakthrough energy and propulsion systems.

01:17:32.000 Like there's so many different implications to that, right?

01:17:35.000 Massively disruptive.

01:17:36.000 Massively disruptive. 0.99

01:17:37.000 And could you imagine some whacked out fucking dude with a zero-point energy device? 0.98

01:17:41.000 Or you imagine some guy who's running an oil company who finds out that they're about to do something like that? 1.00

01:17:45.000 Like the fuck you are. 1.00

01:17:47.000 How about this guy at MIT that just got assassinated in his home? 1.00

01:17:50.000 Dude, the wet works in the corporate world is very real.

01:17:55.000 This is very real.

01:17:56.000 This guy was, one of the more disturbing theories he had was that not only is the shift of the magnetic poles that here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:18:09.000 But his take on it was that the shift of the magnetic poles is necessary in order to maintain, well, I don't want to fuck it up.

01:18:20.000 Well, like a natural Earth cycle that has to happen.

01:18:22.000 I'm sorry, I'm trying to think and look it up at the same time.

01:18:26.000 Here it is.

01:18:28.000 I'll send it to you, Jimmy.

01:18:36.000 Sorry for the dead air, folks.

01:18:38.000 So it says the assassinated MIT plasma scientists warned that Earth requires periodic magnetic reversals to sustain its field.

01:18:38.000 Okay.

01:18:49.000 Interesting.

01:18:49.000 No reversal equals no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates.

01:18:54.000 The last time this happened, in the tweet it says Noah's flood.

01:19:01.000 Oh, Sunweather Man.

01:19:01.000 Oh, I know both these guys.

01:19:03.000 This guy who has a whistleblower, yeah, from Monster Man.

01:19:07.000 Is that not loading?

01:19:09.000 The clip?

01:19:10.000 Plasma Physics 101 fluid description.

01:19:13.000 It seems like the clip's not.

01:19:14.000 Okay, let's hear what he has to say. 0.99

01:19:16.000 It's really interesting shit, man. 0.94

01:19:18.000 You mentioned that the Earth's magnetic field was constant in the last billion years. 0.98

01:19:30.000 Roughly.

01:19:31.000 So yeah.

01:19:33.000 Is it right that the Earth has lost 10% of its magnetic field in the last 150 years?

01:19:40.000 And how come?

01:19:42.000 So excellent question, Alec.

01:19:44.000 Thank you.

01:19:46.000 So when I say that the Earth's magnetic field has remained roughly constant, what I mean is if you look over long-ish time scales, its magnitude is roughly constant.

01:20:00.000 So of course it varies, right?

01:20:02.000 And it reverses sometimes, right?

01:20:05.000 And those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field, so you know, reversal meaning the North Pole becomes the South Pole and vice versa.

01:20:12.000 So those happen.

01:20:13.000 And there's even interesting stories you can tell about how those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field correlate with many ice ages and things like this.

01:20:23.000 But the idea is that if you average over these periodic reversals or fluctuations, the amplitude of the field has remained roughly constant.

01:20:36.000 And the idea is that if there was no induction, if there was no dynamo working, you and I wouldn't be talking, right?

01:20:45.000 The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly, right, in within 10 to the 5 years.

01:20:50.000 The Earth would be left without a magnetic field, and the Earth's magnetic field protected from cosmic radiation.

01:20:57.000 And if you were open to that radiation, well, you wouldn't be here, like I said, nor would I. Thank you very much.

01:21:07.000 Wild. 0.98

01:21:08.000 And they just put bullets into that dude. 0.79

01:21:10.000 Well, listen, it could have been a robbery.

01:21:14.000 We don't know.

01:21:15.000 I mean, Massachusetts has a lot of robberies.

01:21:17.000 They've got a lot of it's one of them East Coast liberal-run cities that's got a crime problem. 1.00

01:21:22.000 Completely fucked. 0.98

01:21:23.000 And I'm sure, you know, as an MIT professor, he's probably lived nice. 1.00

01:21:30.000 Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

01:21:31.000 It's possible.

01:21:32.000 But it also is possible that somebody killed him. 1.00

01:21:34.000 And imagine if they killed him because he's telling us, hey, Earth's about to reverse its magnetic poles, and we might be fucked. 0.99

01:21:40.000 A cataclysm might be coming. 0.98

01:21:42.000 Well, this is what I think there was a knowledge of in deep antiquity.

01:21:47.000 There was a knowledge of cycles, of Earth cycles, and they were preparing for it.

01:21:51.000 Why are these structures built in a way that's anti-seismic, that's resistant to incredible force?

01:21:57.000 You know, the amount of- Sakawaman's such a good example of that. 0.90

01:21:57.000 Right. 0.90

01:22:01.000 It's really an incredible example.

01:22:03.000 I mean, the level of ingenuity and also the fact that they're finding that these walls go way deeper, right?

01:22:08.000 Because not just the excavation where they're going deep down and finding new blocks of stone, but just the walls.

01:22:14.000 There's key excavations going on around the walls.

01:22:16.000 They just keep going down.

01:22:17.000 So it's like this place was buried, maybe.

01:22:20.000 A lot of earth push up and submerged into the ground.

01:22:23.000 Clearly, this place experienced some form of global upheaval.

01:22:27.000 And what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example, is that prior to the, well, at the end of the last glacial maximum, around 19,000 years ago, when the Earth started to warm up again, there were certain climatologically stable corridors.

01:22:44.000 And Peru was one of those areas which was actually quite climatologically stable.

01:22:49.000 So at the end of the LGM, the last glacial maximum, to the Younger Dryas, it's about 6,000 plus, 6,000 in change.

01:22:59.000 We've taken ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers in less than 150 years.

01:23:04.000 So the idea that areas of the world that had stability for about 6,000 years couldn't create something incredible, and then the Younger Dryas comes and it takes it all away for the most part, it's very provocative in Peru because of, again, the existence of the inca structures that are very quite pristine, actually, and still standing, very simple, and yet they are surrounded by broken megaliths and multi-ton structures that have gone through incredible damage.

01:23:32.000 And what I was getting at when I was saying about that area is the way the stones are interlocked would protect it against earthquakes.

01:23:39.000 Yeah, dissipate the force through all of these different areas.

01:23:41.000 It allows for the force, for the kinetic force, to dissipate through the structure instead of it being focused and blowing apart one area of it.

01:23:47.000 So it's clearly done for the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of force.

01:23:52.000 Where would they get that type of a concept from?

01:23:56.000 It makes me wonder.

01:23:56.000 It makes me wonder if they did have a knowledge of great cycles, you know?

01:23:59.000 Like the Adam and Eve story, you know that whole thing that was like classified by the CIA for a minute?

01:24:03.000 The Adam and Eve story?

01:24:04.000 It was classified by the CIA.

01:24:06.000 It was listed on their Freedom of Information outline.

01:24:07.000 Oh, right.

01:24:08.000 What was that again?

01:24:09.000 It was a deep research into cycles, great cycles of cataclysmic destruction on Earth, by a guy called, his name was Chan Thomas, but I think that was a pseudonym or a faint, not real name.

01:24:19.000 And he actually had at the beginning of it, like a series of people he had listed who, without whom this book would not be possible.

01:24:26.000 And it was like, you know, top five-star generals.

01:24:28.000 And like, it's like, okay.

01:24:30.000 So, you know, this guy had the, you know, Chan Thomas, the Adam and Eve story.

01:24:33.000 It's all about this great cyclical cataclysm that does take place every, what was it, like 12,000 years or something like that.

01:24:41.000 And that the ancients had a knowledge of this.

01:24:42.000 And I think that this is something that we will probably begin to realize is that somewhere in deep antiquity, there was a level of knowledge that is very contradictory to what we understand now.

01:24:52.000 And I think places like Peru, places like Egypt and others, Malta, Gobekli, Tepe, of course, it's becoming very palpable that there was something before this.

01:25:01.000 Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature, when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers and those warming periods, is there a uniform time in between those spikes?

01:25:12.000 In terms of?

01:25:13.000 Is it like predictable?

01:25:14.000 I don't know.

01:25:15.000 Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a little funky?

01:25:18.000 I imagine it's probably for about 12,000 years, comes back.

01:25:20.000 Right.

01:25:21.000 But this is, again, this is one of the things that people in like, you know, the conspiracy world would say they're keeping from us.

01:25:26.000 They're keeping this knowledge.

01:25:27.000 Yes, there are 12,000 year cycles and we are just not being allowed to know that knowledge.

01:25:31.000 But that seems weird.

01:25:32.000 I don't know.

01:25:33.000 Well, but they have models of the past.

01:25:36.000 Exactly.

01:25:36.000 You know, from core samples and things along those lines.

01:25:39.000 But we do know that it's never static.

01:25:41.000 And we do know that there have been these periods.

01:25:43.000 And they do look like a strange graph.

01:25:47.000 It's not a flat line.

01:25:49.000 Oh, look, it's all getting warmer.

01:25:50.000 No, it's always crazy.

01:25:52.000 So like what is causing these dips and these rises and these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic?

01:25:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:26:00.000 It's not like there's an immense time of heating and then a small time of cooling.

01:26:05.000 And then no, it's up and down and up and down.

01:26:09.000 It's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it?

01:26:12.000 You look at the planet as some form of conscious entity.

01:26:15.000 It's certainly capable of producing conscious beings on top of it.

01:26:18.000 So I wonder about that.

01:26:19.000 And the mycelial network and these kind of elements to the planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.

01:26:25.000 Well, even if you could look from afar, if you could have the concept of the Earth, like the water's moving, the clouds are moving.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:33.000 Exactly.

01:26:34.000 It's like a live thing almost.

01:26:35.000 Yeah.

01:26:36.000 Obviously, it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't mean that there's not a force that's all connected and working in harmony.

01:26:46.000 Yeah.

01:26:46.000 Exactly.

01:26:47.000 I mean, that's why I think plasmic intelligence is very interesting, because it's this idea that a self-organizing plasmic structure could in some way create consciousness inside of it.

01:26:56.000 And we don't understand where consciousness comes from.

01:26:59.000 We still don't.

01:26:59.000 So it's very open to the idea of possibility.

01:27:02.000 And, you know, I've spoken to some pretty interesting scientists like Dr. Salvatore Pais.

01:27:06.000 He's the guy that was responsible for the UFO and US Navy UFO patents that got put out a few years back, like underwater, undersea plasmic generators and things like this.

01:27:18.000 He was a US Space Force engineer, and he is very much of the opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming conscious, not conscious on its own.

01:27:28.000 But 99% of the observable universe is made out of plasma.

01:27:32.000 99%.

01:27:34.000 Isn't it weird how we get taught about solids, gases, and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter?

01:27:40.000 That's 99% of the universe.

01:27:42.000 Why aren't we taught about that in school?

01:27:44.000 Weird, right?

01:27:44.000 That's weird.

01:27:46.000 Do you ever remember being taught plasma in school?

01:27:48.000 Well, when did they start learning that?

01:27:50.000 Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly before my time in school.

01:27:55.000 I didn't get taught it.

01:27:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:57.000 So why would they are you saying that they perhaps are hiding this?

01:28:02.000 I think that there's things within plasma physics that are so novel and exotic, like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science that they're studying.

01:28:13.000 Have you ever heard of the Sapphire Project?

01:28:14.000 No.

01:28:15.000 It's kind of gone quiet now.

01:28:17.000 Hal Putov got involved with it for a minute, where they're claiming to bottle the stars and they're creating these plasmic, you know, self-organizing plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could transform metals from one metal into gold or transmutation of elements and complete revolution of propulsion and energy.

01:28:36.000 And then it just fizzles out.

01:28:38.000 I always wondered about that.

01:28:39.000 There was some alchemy there.

01:28:41.000 Why were people really trying to make gold?

01:28:44.000 That seems so crazy that you think you could make something like that.

01:28:48.000 And I always wonder, did maybe somebody used to make it and they have like this story of how people used to make gold?

01:28:55.000 Like if there was, like imagine the caps of the Great Pyramids are in gold, right?

01:29:02.000 What if they made that gold?

01:29:04.000 Right?

01:29:04.000 Right.

01:29:06.000 What if they had gotten to it's not impossible to assume like if the earth creates gold, it's not impossible to think that we could take the elements of the earth and create gold as well.

01:29:16.000 There's got to be a way to do it.

01:29:17.000 There's got to be a way to do it.

01:29:18.000 Is there a way to create gold currently?

01:29:20.000 I don't know.

01:29:21.000 That's a good question.

01:29:22.000 Let's put that into our sponsor.

01:29:26.000 How do you make gold?

01:29:28.000 Well, let me show you what I asked first.

01:29:30.000 The alchemy history of gold automatically brought up ancient Egypt metallurgy blending four classical elements.

01:29:38.000 So there is some sort of earth, air, fire, and water, and you make gold.

01:29:38.000 Whoa.

01:29:42.000 It spread to Greco and Roman texts via the Islamic world in the 8th century.

01:29:48.000 Were they made experimental methods?

01:29:51.000 Gold plating is maybe what they're getting at.

01:29:53.000 I don't know if that's unless they were trying to create gold.

01:29:56.000 A lot of alchemy is also kind of personal algorithm, alchemy of the soul.

01:30:02.000 And so it's not always necessarily meant as a physical thing, turning base metals into gold.

01:30:07.000 It's more about turning you, base human, into a golden person.

01:30:11.000 Like a lot of the times in alchemy, it's more about the personal development of your spirit and your soul.

01:30:18.000 Maybe they're clearly talking about metallurgy here.

01:30:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:22.000 I mean, like, right here.

01:30:23.000 So, but I mean, if you, if gold was a valuable, if it was about a valuable part of technology, which it is, and it had conducting aspects to it, it's very conducive or it's very good at conducting.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:38.000 And you can make it modern methods.

01:30:42.000 Particle accelerators like CERN's Large Hadron Collider achieve this by slamming lead nuclei together in near-miss collisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields that eject three protons from the lead, 82 protons to form gold, 79 protons.

01:30:55.000 Wow.

01:30:56.000 The Alice experiment detected up to 89,000 gold nuclei per second during lead-lead runs, totaling, or lead-lead runs.

01:31:04.000 I'm not sure which one.

01:31:06.000 Totaling 29 picograms over years, trillions of times less than needed for visible amounts.

01:31:11.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:31:13.000 Trillions of times less than needed for visual amounts.

01:31:18.000 Early in 1980, Glenn Sieberg transmuted bismuth into gold isotope using carbon and neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley lab.

01:31:25.000 So maybe they used the pyramids for lightning strikes to create gold or iron ore streams, and next thing you know, you get gold.

01:31:31.000 That's why they had so much gold.

01:31:33.000 I mean, who knows?

01:31:35.000 Who knows what they figured out?

01:31:36.000 But we should be able to ask these questions and not be well, it's certainly fascinating.

01:31:40.000 It's certainly fascinating that people have been obsessed with the possibility of making gold.

01:31:44.000 Obviously, it's because gold is rare and very valuable.

01:31:47.000 But here's the question: why is gold very valuable?

01:31:51.000 You can't make a weapon out of it.

01:31:52.000 How did it rise to prominence?

01:31:54.000 Isn't there some translations that are from the old Sumerian Babylonian text where it's kind of like we were made to mine gold for the money?

01:32:01.000 That's all Zacharias Sitchin.

01:32:03.000 It's like Zachariah Sitchin, right?

01:32:04.000 Yeah, Zacharias Hitchin, though, is very controversial.

01:32:07.000 I'm too stupid to know who's right, but I do know that I always, when I talk about Zachariah, I always talk about the website sitchiniswrong.com.

01:32:15.000 So there's a website where it seems like he was the only one that was buying into that. 0.97

01:32:20.000 And, you know, when I talked to Wes Huff, he doesn't even think that Zachariah Sitchin could actually read Sumerian. 0.99

01:32:26.000 Just fucking guessing.

01:32:27.000 Well, it might be a little, you know, I don't want to disparage the great man because he's not with us anymore. 0.98

01:32:34.000 But he might not have been totally honest, or he might have been convinced.

01:32:37.000 You know, some people just become true believers.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, no, for sure.

01:32:40.000 What he's saying essentially is that he tried to learn Sumerian.

01:32:43.000 And Wes knows many different ancient languages.

01:32:45.000 Like, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

01:32:47.000 He's like, I couldn't figure it out.

01:32:49.000 I couldn't figure it out.

01:32:50.000 I couldn't do it.

01:32:51.000 Now, obviously, there have been translations of Sumerian.

01:32:55.000 There are people that can do it.

01:32:57.000 It's incredibly difficult.

01:32:58.000 And it's also apparently not related to any other languages because it's so ancient, it's weird.

01:33:04.000 And then the cuneiform and all that stuff.

01:33:05.000 It's like, good luck.

01:33:07.000 Right.

01:33:08.000 Good luck figuring out what they were saying.

01:33:10.000 I know, I always wondered how he'd actually kind of come to those positions on it.

01:33:14.000 It is incredibly complex.

01:33:16.000 And the only people that really know are the people that are that deep into it that they can read it as well.

01:33:22.000 And they don't seem to agree with him.

01:33:24.000 But at the end of the day, whatever was going on over in that part of the world, they had a lot of discussions of things that came from the sky.

01:33:34.000 They had a detailed map of the solar system, which is very weird.

01:33:38.000 A 5,000-plus-year-old detailed map of the solar system with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.

01:33:45.000 It's like, what's that?

01:33:46.000 Yeah, how are you achieving this?

01:33:48.000 What are these giant people with monkeys on their laps? 0.69

01:33:51.000 And like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a lion like it's a little cat in loads of statues.

01:33:56.000 Not all these dudes have wings.

01:33:58.000 Very, very typically dismissed as kind of like, you know, oh, it was just an intellectual giant or a giant of power and regality.

01:34:05.000 It's like, okay, but there's a lot of them.

01:34:06.000 There's a lot of references all across the world to these giants.

01:34:09.000 So, you know, I find that very interesting.

01:34:11.000 And, you know, like, this is the reality of fossils.

01:34:15.000 This is the reality of fossils.

01:34:17.000 There is a tiny, tiny amount of all the things that die that leave a fossil.

01:34:22.000 Right.

01:34:23.000 Most things don't leave a fossil when they die.

01:34:25.000 They get absorbed by the earth, eaten by scavengers, bacteria, you rot away, the sun bleaches your bones, and it's over.

01:34:33.000 It's over.

01:34:34.000 Within a few hundred years, there's nothing left.

01:34:36.000 Occasionally, you get lucky, and someone or a dinosaur falls into a bog and you get evidence.

01:34:45.000 But if you don't get that evidence, it doesn't mean it didn't exist.

01:34:48.000 You know, and the giant one is a weird one.

01:34:51.000 It is a weird one.

01:34:52.000 It's a weird one.

01:34:53.000 Because there's so many depictions in ancient literature of giants, of giant beings.

01:34:58.000 And you got to wonder: okay, are we talking about like men from Iceland?

01:35:01.000 Right.

01:35:02.000 Are we talking about giants that are just enormous human beings?

01:35:04.000 Like those big chads.

01:35:06.000 But those dudes that do those strong man competitions, they all like the mountain.

01:35:10.000 Those guys all live in Iceland.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, man.

01:35:12.000 They're all from Iceland. 0.99

01:35:13.000 What the fuck is that about? 0.99

01:35:14.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:35:15.000 Well, what is that about?

01:35:16.000 Vikings.

01:35:17.000 Right.

01:35:18.000 They were the Vikings.

01:35:19.000 And that's what's left.

01:35:20.000 But is it that?

01:35:22.000 Are we talking about that?

01:35:23.000 Or are we talking about another race of human that's even larger?

01:35:27.000 And if they found it, do they tell us?

01:35:30.000 Like, they tell us about certain.

01:35:31.000 They tell us about Denisovan, similar to us.

01:35:34.000 They tell us about Homo Julien, similar to us, just a little bit bigger. 0.99

01:35:38.000 They found a fucking four-foot skull. 0.99

01:35:41.000 Do they tell us? 0.99

01:35:42.000 Well, it's like there's like snippets, isn't there, from the black and white days, 1920s, where the Smithsonian kind of very quickly covered things up.

01:35:48.000 And like, this is very much the same.

01:35:49.000 It's giant bones.

01:35:50.000 The burnt bones from a giant human.

01:35:52.000 Yeah, there seems to be.

01:35:52.000 And there's all these Native American stories about giant red-headed humans.

01:35:56.000 And, you know, in the burial mounds, supposedly.

01:35:59.000 But here's the thing: this is the real question.

01:36:03.000 Would, if archaeologists stumbled upon a four-foot head and they were under the guidance of the university, would they shut it down?

01:36:11.000 That's such a good question.

01:36:12.000 Would they release it?

01:36:13.000 I am fascinated by the fact that I have to ask that question.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:17.000 Because I would assume that if archaeologists found, of course, they would release it.

01:36:20.000 We have found evidence of a giant, like a giant human being.

01:36:24.000 And this might be one, the first one we find.

01:36:27.000 It might have been a whole race of them that existed 20,000 years ago.

01:36:32.000 Yeah, I. Would they tell us?

01:36:34.000 I don't know, Joe.

01:36:35.000 That's what's weird.

01:36:36.000 We don't know if they would tell us.

01:36:37.000 I don't know if they would tell us.

01:36:38.000 They might not.

01:36:39.000 The government might step in and say, you are not allowed.

01:36:42.000 Well, that's the thing, is it might supersede just academic circles and archaeology.

01:36:46.000 It might get a whole bit more serious.

01:36:47.000 Why?

01:36:48.000 The implications of our ancient history and what exactly was taking place.

01:36:53.000 I am fascinated by some areas that seem to have a level of kind of like theologic reference to them.

01:36:58.000 So, you know, the Book of Enoch and the Watchers.

01:37:01.000 And they descend down on Mount Hermon in Baalbek, right?

01:37:04.000 So that's Baalbek, which is Baal Beck, the lord of the Becca Valley, and Baal, the storm god, like the one that everyone, you know, talks about the sacrifices to Baal.

01:37:14.000 It's also the place that has these insane trillion stones.

01:37:17.000 I was just about to mention them.

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:18.000 That's it, the trilithons.

01:37:19.000 The trillion stones.

01:37:20.000 800 to 1,000 tons.

01:37:22.000 800 to 1,000 tons apiece.

01:37:25.000 And they're not even laying on the ground.

01:37:27.000 No, they've been lifted up.

01:37:28.000 They've been lifted up quite significantly.

01:37:30.000 And this is the thing, man.

01:37:31.000 It's like, you know, somewhere like this.

01:37:33.000 So you've got this weird story about this is basically 30 miles away from there is Mount Hermon, where the watchers apparently came down from the sky. 0.99

01:37:40.000 Oh, fuck. 0.98

01:37:41.000 And then you've got these impossible blocks in this, and the quarry there as well. 1.00

01:37:46.000 The quarry there, you have like the stone of the pregnant woman, which is like 1,250 tons. 0.75

01:37:51.000 And there's another one there that's like 1,500 tons.

01:37:54.000 Like these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready, and they've just been documented in situ.

01:37:59.000 But then, yeah, 300 meters up the road or less is the Temple of Jupiter, which again, mainstream academics will attribute to first century Romans.

01:38:08.000 But the first century Romans had like wooden pulleys and like little wooden cranes. 0.89

01:38:12.000 Like this is insane.

01:38:13.000 This is an 800 to 1,000 ton block, three of them that were lifted up.

01:38:18.000 I think it's like at least like 20 meters or something.

01:38:25.000 Jamie, can you please show us a photo of it?

01:38:26.000 I always love looking at these.

01:38:28.000 Especially if you can find one with a human being standing in it, like Corseti, if he's like, it's phenomenal how big these are.

01:38:36.000 It's so crazy.

01:38:38.000 It freaks me out.

01:38:39.000 It's so crazy to think that they, we believe, they use some sort of stone tools, copper tools and pulleys. 1.00

01:38:48.000 It's just stupid. 1.00

01:38:50.000 And you got it out of the quarry how? 1.00

01:38:52.000 Well, then.

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 Oh, so that's a brilliant place, though.

01:38:56.000 That's Olient and Tambo in Peru. 1.00

01:38:57.000 Fantastic area, which I'll be showing in my next episode of Ancient Technology.

01:39:01.000 It's the Trillium stone.

01:39:02.000 Trilithon.

01:39:06.000 The Trilithon.

01:39:07.000 The Trilithon stones.

01:39:08.000 Yeah, Baalbek.

01:39:09.000 And one of the interesting things that Corsetti was saying is like, that's not even a place where they take a lot of tourists to.

01:39:13.000 No, so there it is.

01:39:14.000 So you see the person and then look above how big those stones are.

01:39:18.000 This is not sensible to attribute to first century Romans.

01:39:22.000 No, go back to just the Lebanon ones. 0.78

01:39:23.000 That's it.

01:39:24.000 They are so big.

01:39:26.000 That one.

01:39:26.000 And then there's a good black and white one we see with the yellow.

01:39:29.000 There's two little dudes sitting on top of them.

01:39:29.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:39:32.000 Crazy.

01:39:33.000 Absolutely phenomenal.

01:39:34.000 And then, you know, the smaller blocks on top, that is first century Romans.

01:39:38.000 Absolutely, without a doubt.

01:39:39.000 There is obvious evidence with the Temple of Jupiter.

01:39:42.000 Yeah, they built it on top of an ancient, ancient foundation, which they were not capable of doing.

01:39:47.000 Probably a landing pad.

01:39:49.000 That's what so many people say that.

01:39:50.000 Whenever I post like any, it's like, here's a landing pad.

01:39:53.000 Let's make it sort of spaceships. 0.99

01:39:54.000 Landing pad for ships.

01:39:56.000 But what's crazy about that as well, just a real quick aside, well, not even an aside, it's an addition to that.

01:40:01.000 Is that okay?

01:40:01.000 So the mainstream attributes is the first century Romans.

01:40:04.000 But then the Romans liked to brag about all the things they did.

01:40:07.000 And third century Romans bragged about the Lateran obelisk that's now sitting in Rome.

01:40:13.000 And the Lateran Obelisk is about 350 to 400 tons.

01:40:16.000 That's the heaviest recorded lift in Roman history.

01:40:20.000 These are 800 to 1,000 tons.

01:40:21.000 They never even mentioned them.

01:40:23.000 So it's weird that we attribute it to Romans, but it's because we, within our model for history, we can't not, if we're going to listen to academics, right?

01:40:32.000 So you have to then invoke fringe theories.

01:40:35.000 I had a rep Luna on the podcast.

01:40:37.000 And she was the one who really got me to read the book of Enoch.

01:40:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:40.000 She's digging in.

01:40:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:42.000 She's all in on the UFOs.

01:40:42.000 She's digging in.

01:40:44.000 I know she is.

01:40:46.000 I mean, is she useful to them?

01:40:48.000 It's all about it.

01:40:49.000 Maybe though.

01:40:49.000 Maybe.

01:40:50.000 Maybe.

01:40:50.000 It's hard to know.

01:40:51.000 But when I started reading it, now if that was included in the Bible, if they had, because it really was rabbis that decided that it didn't jive with the Torah, right?

01:41:01.000 Right, right.

01:41:01.000 And so they said, no, no, no, this one's kind of crazy.

01:41:03.000 If that was in the Bible, and that's what we were taught, things would be different.

01:41:11.000 But meanwhile, that is in the same area of Qumran written down as the book of Isaiah.

01:41:19.000 So all these things that are included in the Bible, that's there.

01:41:24.000 It's all the same word.

01:41:25.000 Why are we ignoring some of it?

01:41:26.000 Like, that's really crazy.

01:41:28.000 Why ignoring the stuff that seems the most kooky?

01:41:31.000 Again, I think that there's probably maybe disagreements because, I mean, you know, there's so much change for the biblical canon from all of these different councils like the Council of Nicaea, all these different censorings and changing Of the Bible, it's probably personal issue.

01:41:48.000 It could be something as simple as just someone who personally did not believe that. 0.96

01:41:51.000 It was like, that's bullshit. 0.99

01:41:52.000 Remove that. 1.00

01:41:53.000 That's not real.

01:41:54.000 There's no way they were giants.

01:41:55.000 But I love how at the beginning of the Bible, it's like there were giants in those times and the times before.

01:41:59.000 Yeah.

01:41:59.000 Anyway, all over moving on, never mention it again, like in any sort of real context, other than David and Goliath and a few situations.

01:42:07.000 But no, I really am starting to wonder if there was a giant race that was on the street.

01:42:13.000 I think there was, dude, I really do.

01:42:14.000 The Native American depictions alone.

01:42:16.000 Yeah.

01:42:17.000 There's too much story, too many stories of enormous men that they had to kill.

01:42:22.000 Yeah.

01:42:23.000 And their history, their oral tradition goes so far back.

01:42:23.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 Yeah, I mean, imagine we're talking 10,000 years.

01:42:29.000 Now that we know that human beings lived in North America 22,000 plus years ago, right?

01:42:34.000 So the fossilized footprints that they found in New Mexico.

01:42:40.000 So that's 22,000 years.

01:42:42.000 So imagine if 22,000 years ago, these things were a real thing.

01:42:45.000 How many of them have you found?

01:42:46.000 You haven't found any bones of humans from 22,000 years ago in North America, have you?

01:42:50.000 No.

01:42:51.000 Right?

01:42:52.000 So why exactly? 1.00

01:42:55.000 Does the Smithsonian have them, these motherfuckers? 0.99

01:42:58.000 If they really do have a giant down there, I think they probably do, Joe. 0.99

01:43:02.000 Can you imagine?

01:43:03.000 I feel like there's like a tomb that you have to go into.

01:43:05.000 It's like a vault that cranks open the vault.

01:43:08.000 It's like the history version of Area 51. 0.99

01:43:10.000 You see a fucking head the size of this table, and you're like, what? 0.99

01:43:13.000 That's what we're dealing with. 1.00

01:43:15.000 That's what we're dealing with.

01:43:16.000 Yeah.

01:43:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:17.000 We got to kill them off. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Maybe. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Which totally makes sense. 1.00

01:43:20.000 Why would you let that motherfucker live? 1.00

01:43:22.000 Right. 1.00

01:43:22.000 You got a 10-foot-tall, 12-foot-tall. 1.00

01:43:24.000 That's a problem.

01:43:25.000 Yeah.

01:43:26.000 2,000-pound human that eats people.

01:43:28.000 That is a problem.

01:43:29.000 I wonder, you know, I always get this because the watchers themselves are never described as giant beings.

01:43:35.000 Right.

01:43:35.000 I wonder where the giant came into the equation.

01:43:38.000 Well, isn't it us compared to them?

01:43:40.000 Maybe.

01:43:40.000 Because maybe they were slight aliens like Alien Greys or something.

01:43:44.000 And, you know.

01:43:45.000 Well, look at the description of the Nephilim, how they destroyed everything. 1.00

01:43:49.000 Yeah.

01:43:49.000 Like they created this thing that consumed everything, destroyed everything, including mankind.

01:43:54.000 Like, what does that sound like?

01:43:56.000 It sounds like us.

01:43:57.000 It sounds like us.

01:43:57.000 That sounds like us.

01:43:58.000 Right.

01:43:58.000 And also, like, you're saying mankind.

01:44:00.000 Like, mankind, what are you saying?

01:44:01.000 Are you saying aliens?

01:44:02.000 Are you saying, who wrote this?

01:44:04.000 Like, what is mankind?

01:44:04.000 Yeah.

01:44:05.000 Like, what does that term mean?

01:44:06.000 I bet you're not saying man.

01:44:08.000 I bet you're probably using an ancient language to describe whatever the dominant force was at the time that's writing all this down.

01:44:16.000 What are we talking about?

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:18.000 What is these watchers?

01:44:19.000 They mated with humans? 0.99

01:44:20.000 So what are they?

01:44:22.000 And they created something that destroyed everything.

01:44:24.000 What?

01:44:25.000 So, okay.

01:44:26.000 What is that?

01:44:27.000 What are you talking about?

01:44:28.000 And doesn't that sound exactly like humans?

01:44:30.000 Like, what do we do? 1.00

01:44:31.000 We fucking destroy everything. 1.00

01:44:32.000 We destroy everything. 1.00

01:44:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:33.000 We light things on fire.

01:44:34.000 We suck all the fish out of the ocean. 0.83

01:44:36.000 We throw our garbage in it. 1.00

01:44:38.000 We are so destructive.

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 And we're so consuming.

01:44:41.000 We consume.

01:44:43.000 You know, we're one of the only animals that dies because we eat too much.

01:44:46.000 Right, right.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:47.000 We're one of the only examples.

01:44:47.000 Right?

01:44:49.000 Well, and we're one of the only, we are the only example on this planet of the level of intelligence that we have.

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 I mean, it's just phenomenal.

01:44:56.000 I mean, really quite phenomenal when you consider all of the various avenues of evolution that have been given the opportunity.

01:45:03.000 We have a massive leap.

01:45:05.000 Phenomenally, but a leap that has to, in some way, have been intervened with, in my opinion.

01:45:05.000 Yeah.

01:45:10.000 I mean, it's such a quantum leap in our ability of cognition and the brain size.

01:45:14.000 I mean, I do find the stoned ape theory very interesting and the concept of using psychedelics.

01:45:20.000 And I think there's a role to play in that for sure.

01:45:21.000 But I just think that when you have such a novel trajectory change from every other creature, every other animal on this planet, that tells me that there is something fundamentally accelerated in humans.

01:45:34.000 And whether that can just be put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't know.

01:45:38.000 I think that when you invoke again all of these various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something was interfacing with us.

01:45:43.000 And perhaps at one point we were interfacing with them.

01:45:47.000 And there was a communication and a relation that has since long degraded after, you know, cataclysmic outreaches.

01:45:54.000 I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and primitive man was the escape from the barbaric nature of our roots.

01:46:04.000 don't think it's necessarily the development of the human brain I think it's probably a way to also a way to use the human brain with its primate background but soften the ego right Right?

01:46:04.000 Right, right, right.

01:46:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:19.000 And endorse a feeling of community, like promote a feeling of community and love and the connectiveness that you get from psychedelics.

01:46:26.000 It will allow you to traverse the timelines between incredibly barbaric hunter-gatherers with stone-tip tools to agrarian societies where people are all living together and cooperating.

01:46:42.000 And it makes sense.

01:46:43.000 But what doesn't make sense is the giant leap to being a human in the first place.

01:46:48.000 It's kooky.

01:46:48.000 No.

01:46:50.000 It is kooky.

01:46:50.000 And it's in the Bible.

01:46:52.000 At least it's in the book of Enoch.

01:46:54.000 That's the crazy part about it is that they literally describe what we're and not just us.

01:46:59.000 Like many people have theorized.

01:47:01.000 Like, have we been a product?

01:47:03.000 Are we a product of genetic manipulation?

01:47:05.000 Are we a product of accelerated evolution?

01:47:08.000 Well, again, my own experience is I just feel like there is quite obviously a vast intelligence spectrum out there, in my opinion.

01:47:19.000 And I think it goes beyond our own perception of space and time.

01:47:22.000 And I think that there are likely things that can come in from, you know, realms that we just don't really believe are real, like the astral and even the realm of the imagination is an interesting thing.

01:47:34.000 What is this place inside of our heads that we can instantaneously create anything we want?

01:47:38.000 And all things, including everything on this table, once came from inside someone's mind.

01:47:42.000 Like we are excretors of ideas into reality.

01:47:45.000 We kind of render reality into something that nothing else does.

01:47:49.000 And I think that there is a spark within us that speaks to what people would call a divine spark for sure.

01:47:54.000 And maybe that is a divine spark.

01:47:56.000 Maybe it's a highly intelligent race that intervened and gave us that spark.

01:48:00.000 But we are entirely different.

01:48:02.000 And I do think that as we begin to get deeper and deeper into kind of the physics of our reality and our fundamental connection to it, we start realizing that our physiology, our body is like an antenna.

01:48:14.000 It's like a technology.

01:48:16.000 It's an instrument for picking up on signals and perhaps even consciousness itself.

01:48:20.000 I don't know if you're familiar with microtubules and the orchestrated objective reduction theory by Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose.

01:48:27.000 How many times do you bring that up to people and they go, oh yeah, I know what you're talking about?

01:48:30.000 Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. 0.97

01:48:31.000 Well, I hang out with some weird fucking people, but I just thought it might have come up. 0.98

01:48:35.000 I definitely have heard Duncan Trossel say to you, microtubules, man. 0.99

01:48:39.000 Microtubules.

01:48:39.000 Yes.

01:48:40.000 No, so I did an interview with an anesthesiologist called Stuart Hamroff and him and Sir Roger Penrose developed a model called the Orchestrated Objective Reduction Theory or Ork OR looking at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures inside our neurons.

01:48:58.000 And I forget the exact metric, but it's something ridiculous, like 10,000 microtubules per neuron.

01:49:04.000 So it's just, you know, this incredible architecture of these tiny little helical structures that apparently are so small that they interact with quantum vibrations in fields.

01:49:13.000 That's how fine and tiny they are.

01:49:15.000 And the reason I bring this up is because I think that we're getting deeper now with things like the Orc OR theory into looking at the structures within humanity that actually seem to be receiving nodes or receptive nodes for energy that could then be translated into consciousness.

01:49:30.000 The whole idea of are we generating consciousness from our brain or are we receiving consciousness and we're just a conduit for it.

01:49:38.000 And I think the evidence is getting a little bit more clearer that we're a conduit.

01:49:42.000 And I just wonder if that's evolution naturally or if that's interaction from these others that have come and meddled with our genealogy.

01:49:50.000 It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when I come back from peeing.

01:49:53.000 You do that.

01:49:54.000 Let's pause.

01:49:55.000 No worries.

01:49:56.000 All right.

01:49:58.000 Well, Jamie brought something up, which is a really interesting video that I took when I was out in Saqqara in Egypt, again with Jeffrey Drum.

01:50:05.000 He was taking me through.

01:50:06.000 And yeah, this is an awesome place.

01:50:08.000 So just for context, before we play it, yeah, take it back to the beginning.

01:50:13.000 This is inside the pyramid of Yunas in Saqqara.

01:50:17.000 And this is deep down inside of it inside what they call the burial chamber.

01:50:20.000 Now you see all of these amazing Arabic artwork that's been quite relatively crudely scratched in.

01:50:27.000 Now you see that glow?

01:50:28.000 That's actually calcite crystal and that's limestone.

01:50:31.000 Now the entire back of this chamber, like this wall, the back wall, the other wall and the ceiling and the floor is made out of a slab of calcite crystal.

01:50:40.000 But what's really interesting about this is that when you take a flashlight and you put it in a certain angle on this wall, something very interesting appears.

01:50:51.000 Boom.

01:50:53.000 Huh.

01:50:54.000 An otherwise invisible etching of an individual.

01:51:00.000 You can see the navel, the belly button, and the arms.

01:51:04.000 And this is completely invisible until you get that flashlight.

01:51:07.000 Now these have been actually smoothed.

01:51:10.000 Let me go promo for my episode, but these have actually been smoothed into the calcite crystal itself.

01:51:17.000 And then obviously these Aramaic writings and pictographs have been scratched on afterwards.

01:51:22.000 So clearly, this is the original artwork of this chamber, but it's not perceptible without a very specific angle of light that creates the shadows.

01:51:33.000 And these are on the other side of the wall as well.

01:51:35.000 I think in this clip, maybe he doesn't show it.

01:51:38.000 But very, very strange.

01:51:40.000 Now, this entire pyramid is acoustically profound.

01:51:44.000 I mean, the acoustics inside of this are unbelievable, the amount of echo that you get.

01:51:51.000 And the entire Saqqara site, we went around it.

01:51:54.000 And I mean, my God, it's a weird sight, man.

01:51:56.000 You've got, again, just incredibly huge slabs of rose quartz granite.

01:52:02.000 And there's one area that's like on the other side of the pyramid, not even near the entrance, which is just this huge port cullis made of granite with interlocking pieces where clearly another piece of stone was slid between them.

01:52:14.000 But this is nowhere even connected to the pyramid infrastructure.

01:52:17.000 And they don't say anything about it.

01:52:20.000 Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of granite with drill holes in them.

01:52:24.000 You can see the striation marks going all the way through them.

01:52:28.000 And his opinion, Jeffrey's, and I think there's merit to it because in Cairo Museum, there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment, like jugs and apothecary bottles that were recovered from Saqqara, including a little plate.

01:52:45.000 There's like a little plaque.

01:52:46.000 This wasn't included.

01:52:47.000 This is put into the actual exhibition, but it's tucked into the corner of Cairo Museum.

01:52:51.000 You have to find it and you have to really look for it.

01:52:52.000 And there's a little plaque saying that the area of Saqqara was a laboratory.

01:52:58.000 And again, like this completely contradicts all of the things that they say about ancient Egypt, but it's in the Cairo Museum.

01:53:04.000 It's literally written as the ancient laboratory of Saqqara.

01:53:08.000 And so, you know, what's going on there?

01:53:10.000 Why is there a contradiction like that that's being acknowledged?

01:53:13.000 And it's truly just an incredible place with these shadow figures and the acoustic resonance of the site, the rose granite.

01:53:21.000 So why do you think that it was originally these carvings were in the wall and then they wrote on it afterwards?

01:53:27.000 Well, I think it's just another case of a later civilization coming across an incredibly amazing place and carving on it.

01:53:34.000 Maybe they didn't even see these figures because you have to have a very specific type of light to actually be able to see them.

01:53:39.000 You have to get it at that angle.

01:53:40.000 It's possible.

01:53:41.000 Detect by looking at it that there's some variation.

01:53:43.000 I mean, you can see when you actually know what you're looking for.

01:53:46.000 Like a little bit of wiggle.

01:53:46.000 But barely anything.

01:53:47.000 It's like really hard to perceive.

01:53:49.000 So maybe they didn't even know that these things were down there when they went.

01:53:53.000 There's another part of this when you're going through the chambers where it's rose granite, rose granite, and then plaster where you've got hieroglyphics pot on the top, and you can actually see the plasters kind of bleeding off into the rose granite.

01:54:04.000 So it feels like they found it.

01:54:05.000 They slapped some hieroglyphs on it.

01:54:07.000 They, you know, put their own veneration around it, but it was not an original structure of the Egyptians.

01:54:11.000 Once again, a place that they found and settled around.

01:54:14.000 But it's just weird that in the Cairo Museum, you have like this tiny little shelf full of beakers and measuring jug type things, and it says that the lab complex of Saqqara.

01:54:25.000 It just doesn't make any sense in comparison to what they're trying to tell us is the reality of this place.

01:54:29.000 So that's, you know, that's weird.

01:54:32.000 It's all weird.

01:54:33.000 It's all weird.

01:54:34.000 Yeah, that's why the bottleneck of talking about this stuff is so infuriating.

01:54:42.000 This is the same place, by the way, we have the Serapium, you know, the 80-ton boxes that are precision marble top.

01:54:47.000 The ones that Christopher Dunn went down into and was like, these have been machined.

01:54:50.000 Yeah, pull up a photo of those, please.

01:54:53.000 They're strange.

01:54:55.000 It's like, what do you think they were doing with those things?

01:54:57.000 Like, what was the purpose?

01:55:00.000 Well, you know what's interesting is that they were.

01:55:04.000 So these things are absolutely incredible.

01:55:07.000 And there's a few questions with this.

01:55:09.000 One, if you go onto that image, zoom out, just go to that image on the right where you've got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this one here.

01:55:16.000 So this is, you know, this is the entrance into the Serapium or the Serapium, however you want to pronounce it.

01:55:20.000 It's a subterranean labyrinth, and these corridors are extremely small.

01:55:24.000 There's actually a half-finished, a half-finished one sitting in the middle of a corridor, and you can kind of really get a scope for the size.

01:55:32.000 But these are 70-ton, 70-to-80-ton granite sarcophagi.

01:55:39.000 They attribute it to the Apis bulls.

01:55:41.000 They say that there was a cult around this region that venerated the Apis Bulls, and that these were burial chambers for the Apis Bulls.

01:55:48.000 But you know, you know what's funny about that is the only thing that they have to evidence this is no bones of bulls or anything like that.

01:55:56.000 What they have is a single hieroglyph on one of these boxes of a bull.

01:56:02.000 That's it.

01:56:03.000 They have a hieroglyph with a bull on it, and that's why they attribute it to the apis bulls.

01:56:07.000 Regardless of the fact that these are precision-carved, 80-to-you know, 70 to 80-ton granite, marble-top-smoothed boxes with even more precision inside.

01:56:16.000 They're even more precise on the inside, which is strange.

01:56:19.000 You wouldn't necessarily need them to be that precise if they're just funerary boxes.

01:56:23.000 But the precision is actually more impressive internally than it is externally.

01:56:28.000 How long would it take to make one of those?

01:56:30.000 Mike, God question.

01:56:31.000 Make it, move it, put it in place.

01:56:33.000 That bull's long dead.

01:56:34.000 Let it go.

01:56:35.000 Let it go, dude.

01:56:37.000 It's not that by the time you finish that thing.

01:56:39.000 That's crazy.

01:56:40.000 These things are nuts, man.

01:56:41.000 Absolutely nuts.

01:56:43.000 And these is one of the big things that Christopher Dunn saw and was just like, nah, nah.

01:56:47.000 There's just no way.

01:56:48.000 Look at the people standing next to those stones.

01:56:51.000 I've been inside one of these.

01:56:52.000 But someone moved it there and then put that other one on top of it.

01:56:55.000 Unbelievable.

01:56:56.000 When?

01:56:57.000 Who?

01:56:57.000 How?

01:56:58.000 Yeah.

01:56:58.000 And again, like, you know, to say that's not a mystery is nuts.

01:57:02.000 It is nuts.

01:57:03.000 And also, if you go on that image where they're shining a light and someone's leaning on it on like the right-hand side, yeah, that one.

01:57:09.000 So, so many of these, the boxes themselves are so precise, but the actual writing is extremely crude.

01:57:16.000 It's been scratched on.

01:57:17.000 It's basically just been scratched on.

01:57:18.000 And a lot of them, it kind of feels like, as a lot of these pharaohs did, they just went and slapped a cartouche on it.

01:57:24.000 I own this.

01:57:24.000 This is mine.

01:57:26.000 And so, you know, the exterior work contradicts the advancement of the actual box itself.

01:57:32.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:57:33.000 There's only one in here that's actually got 3D, actual carved-in artwork, and that one actually does make sense.

01:57:40.000 But these ones are all chicken scratch.

01:57:42.000 It's just been scratched on.

01:57:43.000 Of course.

01:57:44.000 So, which is what people do.

01:57:45.000 Which is what people do.

01:57:46.000 I mean, a lot of history of human beings doing that to ancient things.

01:57:50.000 Yeah, if you go on that third image, actually, that's an interesting image because you've got these such low quality, that's a shame.

01:57:56.000 But you can actually see these dimples where they've smoothed out the stone.

01:57:59.000 And what's weird about this is that, so if these were funerary boxes, you would expect the external to be the most impressive because that's what people are going to see, right?

01:58:07.000 But instead, you actually have a lot of malformation on the boxes.

01:58:11.000 And one of the theories about this, and this is something that there we go, it's a good example of this.

01:58:15.000 One of the theories about this is one that Jeffrey Drum brought up for me: is that whatever was going on inside of these cases, the exterior had to have absolutely zero critical imperfections.

01:58:27.000 So any cracks, anything that was problematic, would have been dissolved out, smoothed away.

01:58:33.000 And you have this weird kind of dimpling on a lot of these, and somewhere you can actually see a crack where the crack's been removed and it's been kind of smoothed out.

01:58:41.000 And then inside, it's like 90-degree just perfect.

01:58:46.000 And so it just kind of contradicts the idea of it being for the you know a funerary purpose.

01:58:50.000 You'd expect the outside to be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not.

01:58:54.000 It's all kind of malshaped and as if they were trying to remove any sort of cracks, anything that could cause a structural problem.

01:59:01.000 And then inside they're perfect.

01:59:03.000 So it does make me wonder about the real purpose behind this.

01:59:07.000 Why are you assuming that it would be cracks?

01:59:09.000 Why wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a need to finish the top of it?

01:59:13.000 Because they're not finished carpentry.

01:59:15.000 Well, some of them are finished quite profoundly.

01:59:17.000 And then you have others that have got these big dimples in them where it just looks like they were trying to remove anything that might have been a critical damage to the structure.

01:59:28.000 Obviously, this is guesswork.

01:59:31.000 The purpose of that would be to keep it from cracking all the way.

01:59:33.000 To keep it from cracking all the way through.

01:59:35.000 I just find it very interesting that the inside is more impressive than the outside for something that's meant to be viewed as a funerary box for an enormous funerary box.

01:59:43.000 An enormous funerary box.

01:59:45.000 Does anybody have a wacky far-out theory of what they were actually for?

01:59:49.000 I mean, there's always some.

01:59:50.000 I mean, one of them that I find interesting is the idea that they could be like some form of a sound bath, like an isolatory chamber where they would go into and have like some form of experiences. 0.99

02:00:00.000 You got to count on someone to move that fucking thing?

02:00:02.000 Like, you know, there's such a strong evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the ancient past, especially archaeoacoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself, like the pyramids, they're designed to resonate. 0.99

02:00:18.000 Like one of the most, sorry, one of the most interesting places that I've been to in terms of looking at the acoustics of places as well is Malta, the island of Malta.

02:00:30.000 And the island of Malta is very interesting because when the Bronze Age settlers from Sicily and other areas of Italy came over to Malta for the first time, they discovered an island that was absolutely littered with megalithic sites.

02:00:42.000 And Malta has got the highest concentration of megalithic sites in the world, but there were no people.

02:00:47.000 They're all gone.

02:00:48.000 No one knows who they were.

02:00:49.000 It was just a land full of these incredible megalithic temples.

02:00:52.000 And one in particular called the Hypergeum of Halcephliani.

02:00:56.000 Now, the Hypergeum is fascinating, dude.

02:00:58.000 It's a subterranean, huge, huge temple that was discovered by road workers.

02:01:06.000 And they were literally just chipping away at the road and then it collapsed in.

02:01:10.000 And they find this huge, what they call a necropolis because they found hundreds of skeletons down here.

02:01:15.000 This thing is incredible.

02:01:17.000 This is all carved out of the limestone.

02:01:20.000 And it is an overlapping geometric series of chambers that is so obviously acoustically tuned that if you actually wanted to search hypergeum acoustics, it will come up with studies where they've noticed that this is absolutely a deliberately acoustically tuned complex.

02:01:40.000 Go on the actual website, not images.

02:01:42.000 That's an interesting one.

02:01:43.000 Whether or not it's entirely accurate, someone's comparing the hypergeum to the human ear.

02:01:48.000 Specifically, because of the fact that this place absolutely is acoustically tuned to resonate between 110 and 115 Hertz, which is the bandwidth to activate certain brain states like alpha and theta brain, where you can get into more meditative states of consciousness.

02:02:03.000 And only 20% of this site is accessible to the public, 70% of it's locked off, and they treat it like a skiff.

02:02:10.000 They take your phone, they take your camera, you can't bring any audio recording devices into it, nothing.

02:02:14.000 Very curated tour for like, you know, 30 minutes and then out.

02:02:18.000 Why is 70% of it locked off?

02:02:20.000 That's a great question.

02:02:22.000 They say it's for preservation of the site because it's such a delicate Neolithic.

02:02:26.000 It's prehistoric.

02:02:27.000 They believe it's prehistoric.

02:02:29.000 And again, this speaks to what was going on in prehistory because this is an acoustically profound series of chambers that have been carved out of the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute bone antler tools to.

02:02:42.000 They were chipping away at it with bone antler tools and they made something as profound.

02:02:45.000 So when you say prehistoric, they dated to, I think, about 5,000 years ago.

02:02:50.000 Yeah.

02:02:52.000 Mainstream.

02:02:53.000 Mainstream.

02:02:53.000 What?

02:02:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:55.000 Carved.

02:02:56.000 Carved.

02:02:57.000 It's carved out of the bedrock.

02:02:58.000 Out of the bedrock.

02:02:59.000 Out of the bedrock.

02:03:00.000 It's huge, huge thing.

02:03:02.000 And what's even weirder about it is that they found all these elongated skulls at the bottom of it.

02:03:08.000 And one of, I've seen one personally.

02:03:10.000 I went to the Museum of Valletta in Malta and saw one of these elongated skulls.

02:03:15.000 What's very interesting about these skulls is that they actually lack the sagittal suture that we have going down the back of the head.

02:03:22.000 So, you know, we have this sagittal suture which pushes the growth plates together as you come through the birth canal.

02:03:28.000 Not that one.

02:03:32.000 The third one, sorry, the fourth one, that one.

02:03:36.000 And then there's other images which are actually the one below it where you've got skulls recovered from the hypergeum.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, so this is an elongated skull.

02:03:43.000 It's only got the horizontal suture, no vertical suture, which is what all humans have, a vertical sagittal suture.

02:03:50.000 Now, apparently, hundreds of elongated skulls were discovered in the hypergeum, but only a couple of them are on display in Valletta.

02:03:58.000 And I've got a couple of friends who are in.

02:04:00.000 Have you heard of the Knights of Malta?

02:04:02.000 No.

02:04:02.000 It's a kind of a secret order, a bit like Freemasonry.

02:04:05.000 It's spawned from the Vatican. 1.00

02:04:07.000 The Vatican basically threw these people into Malta and said, fuck off and go do your weird stuff over there. 0.99

02:04:11.000 But now it's a very connected, you know, kind of like with the Vatican order, the Knights of Malta. 0.99

02:04:17.000 Very powerful, a very powerful group.

02:04:21.000 Very much in the geopolitical world stage.

02:04:24.000 And a friend of mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring out this book once a year in the Valletta Museum.

02:04:31.000 And it's detailing the skulls of the hypergeum and apparently tells a story of how the locals would throw bodies down there because there are beings down there that they wanted to prevent from coming up to the surface.

02:04:45.000 And this is the strange thing: the hypergeum is full of normal human bodies, hundreds, not buried with respect, but just piled down there.

02:04:53.000 And then also elongated skulls.

02:04:56.000 And the story is, according to this very ancient book that they bring out and put out once a year, you have to be lucky to catch it.

02:05:01.000 It apparently describes that they were using this as a place to discard bodies to prevent these creatures from coming up to the surface.

02:05:09.000 They were feeding them?

02:05:10.000 Feeding them.

02:05:11.000 So when people would die, they would just throw them down that hole.

02:05:13.000 Or when people were bad people, maybe, yeah, throw them down that hole to these elongated skull things were eating people. 0.91

02:05:20.000 Well, that's the connections we might make from that kind of connotation from these books.

02:05:24.000 But that's certainly something that is rolled out in the Valletta Museum once a year if you get to go there and see it.

02:05:31.000 Is that like an ancient version of Scientology?

02:05:35.000 Somebody make all this up?

02:05:36.000 I don't know but the well I mean in terms very strange that there's the hypergium itself is human skeletons down there Oh, yeah I mean, I did find a profound amount of them, which is why the mainstream labels it as a necropolis.

02:05:48.000 But there's no burial respect being done.

02:05:50.000 It was just piles of bodies, like piles of bodies, dude.

02:05:54.000 And again, it's just so profound.

02:05:56.000 This is called the Oracle Room?

02:05:57.000 Yes, the Oracle Room.

02:05:58.000 This is where the sound concentrates.

02:06:00.000 The acoustic description I found here.

02:06:03.000 These two paragraphs, I guess it's going to be a little long, but it's not that long.

02:06:05.000 During testing, a deep male voice tuned to these frequencies stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogeum, creating bone-chilling effects.

02:06:13.000 It was reported that the sounds echoed for up to eight seconds.

02:06:16.000 Archaeologist Fernando Combria or Combra Coimbra said that he felt the sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation of relaxation.

02:06:29.000 When it was repeated, the sensation returned, and he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on the walls.

02:06:39.000 One can only imagine the experience in antiquity, standing in what must have been somewhat odorous, dark, and listening to ritual chant while low light flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones. 0.99

02:06:55.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:06:56.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99

02:07:00.000 Yeah.

02:07:01.000 So they made a drug house.

02:07:03.000 He goes on to state, yeah, under right circumstances, ancient populations were able to obtain different states of consciousness without the use of drugs or chemical substances.

02:07:11.000 Or maybe in the middle of the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and binaural beats, way, way before we were around.

02:07:21.000 This is the original.

02:07:22.000 It's called psychoacoustic architecture.

02:07:24.000 The idea that ancient architecture is designed in a way to propagate acoustics that affect the human brain.

02:07:29.000 Now imagine this is 5,000 years ago.

02:07:33.000 And where did you move that from?

02:07:36.000 How did you do that?

02:07:37.000 Did you fail?

02:07:38.000 Did you learn?

02:07:40.000 What's the science?

02:07:41.000 And another interesting element is there are a lot of temple sites in Malta that look weirdly similar to Newgrange in Ireland.

02:07:51.000 And Newgrange is another psychoacoustic temple, if you want to call it a temple.

02:07:55.000 It's a huge mound, if you look it up.

02:07:58.000 But within it, they've done, again, acoustic studies, and it propagates infrasound, sound below the threshold of human hearing.

02:08:04.000 And that's the stuff that reverberates through your chest cavity, through your bone structure.

02:08:08.000 That's what that guy is describing.

02:08:10.000 It's infrasonic sound.

02:08:12.000 You know when you're like...

02:08:13.000 This is it?

02:08:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:08:15.000 How old's that?

02:08:17.000 Oh, God.

02:08:17.000 Again, Neolithic.

02:08:19.000 I don't know the exact date, but it's Neolithic.

02:08:20.000 And these spiral patterns are in the hypergeum.

02:08:22.000 Those spiral patterns are in the hypergeum in red ochre.

02:08:25.000 This is Ireland.

02:08:26.000 The same structure.

02:08:28.000 That's very famous Irish.

02:08:31.000 This, by the way, is incredible because it's completely singular.

02:08:34.000 There's no break in the line.

02:08:35.000 That's a very hard piece of geometry to actually create at the time as well.

02:08:40.000 It's extremely complex because all of this feeds into itself.

02:08:43.000 There's no break in that line.

02:08:44.000 It's a very complex geometry.

02:08:45.000 But that same type of geometry is also found in the hypergeum and it's found in red ochre on the painting, these swirling, these swirling kind of motifs.

02:08:54.000 So it's very interesting.

02:08:56.000 You have these weird correlations between places that were separated by entire oceans in Neolithic time.

02:09:01.000 Do you think they represent sound waves?

02:09:03.000 Yes.

02:09:04.000 Yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics, the flow of movement and sound.

02:09:09.000 And that was perhaps their interpretation or perhaps they had a visual hallucination that gave them the idea of it being this kind of like swirling pattern.

02:09:16.000 But yeah, I find this.

02:09:18.000 Yeah, this is Ireland.

02:09:19.000 And there's just some striking similarities between places like this and places in Malta.

02:09:24.000 So again, it just leads into the idea that there was perhaps a globally maritime connected civilization that was using these psycho-acoustic attributions in sites to produce novel effects of consciousness, inducing brain hemisphere synchronization, just like they're trying to do in My Ass with the CIA.

02:09:41.000 And here's the real question.

02:09:42.000 How did they learn how to do that?

02:09:44.000 And how long did it take before you figured out how to carve that out of a mountain?

02:09:44.000 How did they learn how to do that?

02:09:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:09:49.000 You know, these are the questions that are absolutely not being answered by our understanding of history.

02:09:53.000 These are the, you know, the red ochre, the more rough ones are the ones in the hypergeum.

02:10:00.000 Incredibly old.

02:10:02.000 Also, also a very good male.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, like it's not.

02:10:07.000 Other cultures have that as well, right?

02:10:09.000 Those spirals?

02:10:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:10:10.000 So that's what I mean.

02:10:11.000 So that right there is also in Newgrange, in Ireland, like pretty much the same.

02:10:16.000 It's just slightly different.

02:10:18.000 There's some other places.

02:10:18.000 There's two places.

02:10:20.000 The swirling motif is one of the oldest.

02:10:22.000 I mean, it is one of the oldest.

02:10:23.000 It's everywhere.

02:10:24.000 But the implication of it being about sound is very interesting when you find it represented in places that are absolutely acoustically tuned from prehistory.

02:10:34.000 Yeah, dude.

02:10:34.000 Weird.

02:10:35.000 Like, you know, it's weird.

02:10:36.000 There's another one in Peru called Chavende Junta, which is a, there's a temple built above it.

02:10:41.000 This is another thing that you find.

02:10:43.000 I mean, this one in Malta, they haven't done this, but you do definitely seem to find layering, like Gunam Padang in Indonesia, where you have like the original structure below and people are just piling up on top of it over time.

02:10:53.000 So in Chavende Hunta in Peru, you have this amazing temple site, but below ground is a labyrinth of corridors that also propagate acoustics to the point where it brings up infrasound.

02:11:03.000 So below this is an infrasonic laboratory essentially of labyrinthian passages that we used for ritual acoustics.

02:11:10.000 And they actually found inside of this conch shells that had been purposefully re-engineered to produce a new harmonic when blown into them.

02:11:17.000 Like they had actually changed them into a different harmonic.

02:11:19.000 So they'd go in the acoustic chambers and below the conch shells.

02:11:23.000 And someone would obviously be walking through this, perhaps as a form of rite of passage.

02:11:28.000 Could you imagine going back in time?

02:11:30.000 I know, man.

02:11:32.000 Just being a fly on the wall.

02:11:32.000 I really want to see it.

02:11:34.000 I wish we could.

02:11:35.000 Yeah, so, you know, it's not incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce infrasonic reverberation.

02:11:41.000 They have proven that and looked it up.

02:11:43.000 And yeah, the conch shells were found there that have got all of these designs on them and have been purposefully changed to produce a different sound.

02:11:50.000 So there is a clear lineage of acoustic science way before acoustic science was acoustic science, you know, at least to our terms.

02:11:58.000 So it brings up big questions.

02:11:59.000 And the fact that it was influencing consciousness, I think that we just had an incredibly intelligent but shamanically orientated society at one point.

02:12:07.000 You know, we were using our human ingenuity, but we were using it to create effects more spiritually aligned than anything else.

02:12:15.000 And, you know, these are all chambers for inducing expanded states of consciousness.

02:12:20.000 The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing for the construction?

02:12:24.000 That's the real question, especially when you get to the megalithic stuff.

02:12:26.000 Yeah.

02:12:27.000 What were they doing?

02:12:28.000 Because this is not what we're saying it is.

02:12:28.000 Like, what is this?

02:12:31.000 There's no way this is stone tools.

02:12:32.000 There's no way this is copper.

02:12:34.000 This is something nutty.

02:12:35.000 Well, that's why the nubs are interesting, because it almost seems like the stone was being softened.

02:12:40.000 And perhaps, like, you know, if you were pulling a spoon out of hot toffee, you'd get that pullback, right?

02:12:45.000 You'd get like a little kind of protrusion.

02:12:47.000 Wouldn't you want to smooth that down, though?

02:12:48.000 But they do, and then they don't.

02:12:50.000 That's what's really weird about it, especially in Peru.

02:12:52.000 Peru has so many stone nubs.

02:12:54.000 Like, there's a place in Peru called the Coricancha, which is like the kind of main temple in Cusco, the sun temple.

02:13:01.000 And, you know, these precision, there's various layers of architecture in Peru, albeit it's all being attributed to the Inca, which is weird.

02:13:09.000 Rough-cut stonework, then the weird megalithic kind of smushed together stones.

02:13:15.000 Then you have what's called ashla stonework, which is where it's like a bunker.

02:13:21.000 Look at the it's it's.

02:13:22.000 It's spelt with a q q o r I k a n c h, a Corricancha, um.

02:13:30.000 If you look it up like and and look in yeah, so you have to go inside it really to really get this um, the bunkers inside of it, these.

02:13:39.000 Look at the wall on the outside actually real quick before you do that.

02:13:41.000 Um, if you click on one of these images and just enlarge it um uh, the third, the first one's probably the best one yeah, so that's ashlar stonework.

02:13:50.000 That bottom bit, that is original.

02:13:52.000 This was built by the conquistadors right, the rest of it's been built up by the conquistadors from Spain, but this original stonework is also represented inside with these incredible bunkers.

02:14:02.000 So if you type in like bunker, it's got yeah like um, this image here, like I, the level of precision on these is is absolutely phenomenal.

02:14:13.000 I mean, we're talking just complete precise, fitting stones, not globular like saxia woman, like marshmallows, but just precise blocks like these bunkers here. 0.87

02:14:22.000 Yeah, like down here.

02:14:23.000 This is all original work.

02:14:24.000 And then they built a, you know, a Spanish Inspired temple over the top of it.

02:14:29.000 Um, so what you're asserting is that this was here first.

02:14:31.000 Yes yeah yeah this, this stuff, it was here first, like this stuff was absolutely here first and if you look up, there's an.

02:14:36.000 There's a little nub, little stone nub, right at the top there, and they but some of these walls have like 10 nubs on them, like one here, one here, one here, and then there's none.

02:14:45.000 So it's like they were smoothing out some of them, leaving others.

02:14:48.000 Some have speculated that it's a form of language, because in Peru, the Inca do you know what the Inca language was, their like written language?

02:14:56.000 It was called Quipu and it wasn't written.

02:14:58.000 It was pieces of string with knots on them in different colors.

02:15:01.000 That was, that was their historical language. 0.99

02:15:03.000 So it was literally like a line of different strings, different lengths, different colors, with little knots in them which corresponded to data, and most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadors because they went over there and was like, burn this shit, burn this pagan nonsense. 0.99

02:15:17.000 Yeah, this is, this was their language. 0.99

02:15:19.000 Oh my, this was their language. 0.99

02:15:20.000 And it just made me wonder.

02:15:22.000 Obviously, this is a complete guess, but it just made me wonder.

02:15:24.000 If, like the stone nubs are stone Kipu, is it a stone version, with all these different nubs on different places and different areas?

02:15:32.000 Because it just feels like, especially in the Corricancha, which is a temple.

02:15:35.000 It's a regal temple.

02:15:37.000 Why would you leave the nubs on, like you said?

02:15:39.000 Why wouldn't they smooth these down?

02:15:40.000 So it's almost like it's it's meant to tell us something and they're left in very specific areas.

02:15:45.000 Then in Peru you get stone nubs protruding straight out of bedrock.

02:15:49.000 That's what weirds me out is that it's not just on the crafted stones but like a sheer rock face that's been obviously kind of quarried down by some unknown technique, without any chisel marks, just straight, and then you have like a group of nubs coming out of the stone.

02:16:04.000 So Peru is is just full of contradictory architecture.

02:16:08.000 And I think that you know you, the Spanish went over there and they saw places like Saxewamon and they attributed to the Inca.

02:16:15.000 You know they attributed to the ink.

02:16:16.000 The Inca the, the Andean shamans, say it's not the incandescent.

02:16:19.000 The Inca themselves to the Spanish Conquistador said, we found these places.

02:16:24.000 But we take the words of the Spanish conquistadors and we apply it to our knowledge set and we teach that and it's just like I was saying to you before, we're basing so much of our History off of like the word of people from like the 1800s, when clearly we're seeing contradictions of that, even in, as Graham Hancock would certainly say, the oral traditions of the local region.

02:16:42.000 The people are saying differently, but we're listening to the foreigners who went over there and destroyed things and burnt things and burnt the keeper and went back and taught us what their civilization is all about. 1.00

02:16:51.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:16:53.000 Wow.

02:16:53.000 But yeah, Peru's fascinating, dude.

02:16:56.000 Peru is one of the most interesting places I've ever been.

02:16:58.000 Has it had the same level of discovery of not like Egypt?

02:17:05.000 No?

02:17:05.000 No, I mean, like, there are areas in Peru.

02:17:08.000 In fact, shout out to my friend Raul Belechi from Pillars of the Past.

02:17:12.000 He's a guy who's out there in Peru, literally just going out into the middle of nowhere.

02:17:15.000 He's found pyramid sites in the middle of nowhere that have absolutely zero recording, no excavation, no study, no name.

02:17:26.000 They don't exist in the record, but they're out there in the middle of nowhere in Peru.

02:17:31.000 And so like Peru has many.

02:17:33.000 He found a pretty impressive complex, actually.

02:17:36.000 He found a pretty impressive complex.

02:17:38.000 He's got videos of it, like drone footage.

02:17:39.000 It's like one of the places where you could actually still be a real explorer and find it.

02:17:43.000 Yeah, if you want to go off into the Andean mountains, like he's finding stuff in the Andes, high up in the mountains that nobody's documented.

02:17:50.000 Like nobody's seeing it.

02:17:52.000 He's a real, you know, real adventurer, but it just proves that, yeah, like you said, there are still places like this where you can do discovery.

02:17:58.000 That's yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:00.000 Peru's really.

02:18:01.000 And then obviously you have the Amazon rainforest and like, you know, all of the things that could be in there through LiDAR.

02:18:06.000 We're already seeing so much geometry, so much evidence that there was a massive amount of civilization going on in that jungle.

02:18:11.000 So, you know, this is getting very interesting to me.

02:18:15.000 And again, this weird climatological stability through the last glacial maximum to the younger dryest, this period of about 6,000 years where they had access to development without being disturbed.

02:18:26.000 So, you know, you have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earthquake megalithic structures in Peru using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use, using multi-ton stones. 0.53

02:18:35.000 That's an interesting area, although I will say that it's made out of tough, which is volcanic rock, very easy to cut because it's actually compressed ash.

02:18:43.000 So that's a really cool place, but it's not as mind-blowing in terms of how they cut the rock because it's extremely soft rock.

02:18:51.000 So this is doable.

02:18:53.000 This is doable.

02:18:54.000 This is doable.

02:18:55.000 But there are other things.

02:18:57.000 In fact, if we could, could you go on my YouTube channel real quick?

02:19:03.000 There's an area in Saxawaman which has got a diorite outcrop, which is incredibly hard stone.

02:19:09.000 There's a measurement of hardness scale that goes up to 10 with diamond being the hardest and diorite sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10, whereas bronze sits at 3 to 3.5 out of 10.

02:19:20.000 So, you know, there's a discrepancy with the hardness of the material to start with.

02:19:24.000 But yes, there's, if you go back to the beginning, sorry, I wish I could see the screen.

02:19:34.000 It's going to be difficult, I think.

02:19:35.000 Keep it playing, though.

02:19:37.000 I'll talk about this and it will come up in a moment, I'm sure.

02:19:40.000 But all across Peru, you have these incredibly precise cuts into bedrock with very little evidence of any sort of chisel marks and no real understanding of how they were able to excavate it.

02:19:50.000 You know, these incredible just voids into the rock.

02:19:53.000 But there's one area in particular, this is just the beginning of my video, but there's one area in particular in Saxawaman, which is this gigantic.

02:20:01.000 In fact, you could probably just type it in if you typed in Saksawaman diorite steps or something like that.

02:20:09.000 Saxawaman is not the easiest word.

02:20:10.000 I know.

02:20:12.000 S-A-Q-S-A-Q-S-A-Y Sac Say. 0.92

02:20:15.000 Okay.

02:20:16.000 Waman.

02:20:17.000 W-A-M-A-N. 1.00

02:20:18.000 Yeah, Saxawaman, diorite steps.

02:20:23.000 Diorite spelt.

02:20:24.000 Sorry, mate.

02:20:25.000 Dior warm.

02:20:26.000 Yeah, D-I-O-R-I-T-E. 1.00

02:20:29.000 Damn it. 0.99

02:20:30.000 It's all right, brother. 0.99

02:20:31.000 But, I mean, I think we're actually getting it.

02:20:34.000 I'm trying to listen while I'm typing.

02:20:36.000 No, I know.

02:20:37.000 I'm sorry, dude.

02:20:38.000 But yeah, so yes, yes, that's the one.

02:20:42.000 So this is diorite.

02:20:44.000 This is incredibly hard stone.

02:20:47.000 To give some context, you know, the stones at Saxa Woman are extremely impressive, but they are made of limestone, a little bit softer, a bit more workable.

02:20:55.000 This is impossible.

02:20:57.000 If you can find a HD, I've got a 4K video of this.

02:21:00.000 That's why I wanted to see it in that video.

02:21:01.000 But if you can find a HD image, it's shined like a marble top.

02:21:06.000 Like, these are just precision cut into this huge outcrop of diorite, which they actually believe was a magma burst.

02:21:13.000 So a huge blob of magma came bursting out of the ground and formed into this huge stone mound that's adjacent to Saxa Woman.

02:21:22.000 And you've got cuts like this, where it's just insanely perfect.

02:21:27.000 And this is not possible with a Bronze Age toolkit.

02:21:30.000 This, to me, is actually more interesting in some ways than Saxa Woman itself because it's just a complete contradiction of the Bronze Age tools.

02:21:38.000 You shouldn't be able to do that on diorite.

02:21:40.000 Yeah, it's wild.

02:21:41.000 I mean, how long did that take?

02:21:44.000 And it's smoothed down to a point where it's like shiny.

02:21:47.000 Like, what did they do?

02:21:48.000 And what's the purpose of it?

02:21:49.000 Why?

02:21:50.000 And there's all these weird involved something like that.

02:21:53.000 Yeah, there's all these weird little cuts into the stone like that.

02:21:56.000 And across Peru, you just find like, you know, these voids where it's just like a 90-degree cut into stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.

02:22:04.000 And the weird thing is the back is smooth too.

02:22:05.000 And the back is also smooth.

02:22:06.000 How do you get it out of there?

02:22:07.000 Dude, this is the thing, man.

02:22:08.000 I just find that so fascinating.

02:22:11.000 This is what really clearly seems.

02:22:13.000 It seems like there's a lost technology.

02:22:15.000 Yeah.

02:22:17.000 These ancient people had figured something out.

02:22:19.000 They probably existed for thousands of years.

02:22:21.000 They're probably really advanced, just in a different pipeline.

02:22:24.000 Yeah.

02:22:25.000 They went in a different highway.

02:22:26.000 I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy that I'm bringing him up.

02:22:29.000 There is one guy out there who's trying his best to prove how they were liquefying stone and then bringing it back.

02:22:36.000 And I only know his X handle, which is Fo Ma Hun, like F-O-M-A-H-U-N. 0.96

02:22:42.000 I can't remember his actual name, but I've been talking to him.

02:22:45.000 I'm thinking of actually going out to visit him and film him doing this.

02:22:48.000 But he's been demonstrating making teddy bear casts of rose granite and things like this.

02:22:53.000 And for a long time, he wasn't revealing how he was doing it.

02:22:55.000 So I kind of just was like, whatever, dude, like, I don't think that you're actually doing this.

02:22:59.000 But he's now actually revealed his secret ingredient, which is a slaked lime, like this slaked lime, which was very easy to make for them, and water glass, which again is something that they could have made.

02:23:10.000 I don't know the science behind this, to be fair.

02:23:12.000 So I'm just going to briefly say that I think he's got some provocative ideas here because he's actually adding like this water glass and slaked lime to like, you know, mixed up compounds of granite or limestone, like crushed up granite, crushed up limestone, adding the slate lime, adding the water glass, and then it's solidifying into solid granite like within six hours.

02:23:33.000 Yeah, and he's got like literal like teddy bear casts and like, you know, different like cookie cutter casts of solid granite.

02:23:33.000 What?

02:23:39.000 And so there's a potential that it's really simple, but totally been overlooked.

02:23:45.000 You know, it's just using the right compounds, the right components, and the right stone mixture.

02:23:50.000 Again, how do they learn this?

02:23:51.000 But it's not definitive, but he's one of the only people I've seen that's actually presented actual evidence that could explain how they were doing this.

02:23:59.000 And it's with relatively simple ingredients.

02:24:01.000 That would account for some things.

02:24:02.000 Some text.

02:24:03.000 Yes, but nothing.

02:24:04.000 The enormous.

02:24:05.000 Okay, so this guy?

02:24:07.000 Yeah, so he's, I think so.

02:24:09.000 If you go up, make sure he's actually the right person.

02:24:11.000 Yes, yes, there we go.

02:24:12.000 Marcel.

02:24:13.000 Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an additive to water glass, the latter being the glue between original granite grains.

02:24:22.000 Because I realize we need full transparency in order to clearly see the original granite grains like quartz.

02:24:22.000 Why?

02:24:29.000 We need a fake quartz as a binder.

02:24:31.000 Well, nothing did not work because the outside layer prevented the thing to get hard inside.

02:24:40.000 Oh, well, nothing did not work, I guess.

02:24:42.000 I don't know how he's saying that.

02:24:44.000 Now, what we're seeing is made with a secret additive, let's call it almost nothing, that did not change the transparency of the water glass, but forced it to set from the inside.

02:24:54.000 So, remember, this is the wannabe binder only of artificial granite, not granite itself.

02:25:00.000 It's very interesting, and he's revealed that it's slaked lime, this secret ingredient.

02:25:04.000 For a while, he wasn't saying what it is.

02:25:06.000 Now he said it's slate lime.

02:25:07.000 So, I'm actually going to go out to, he lives in Budapest.

02:25:09.000 I'm going to go out to Budapest and actually film him doing this to see if he's right about this.

02:25:14.000 He's actually, I think, one of the originators of the whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too deep into, but it's one of the explanations behind melting the stone.

02:25:22.000 So, I started paying more attention to him once I was in Peru, and he was messaging me saying, you know, this is what I think is going on here, is they were using these ingredients to melt the stone, well, to solidify crushed up stone and create molds.

02:25:36.000 My issue.

02:25:37.000 Yeah, one issue I do.

02:25:39.000 I'm going to crush up the stones.

02:25:40.000 That seems like it'd be harder than moving.

02:25:42.000 Maybe using harder rocks, like, you know, just like smash, smash.

02:25:44.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:25:45.000 You'd need to, I mean, how much stone smashing would you need to do to create Saxawama and all these areas? 0.98

02:25:49.000 80 tons of smash.

02:25:51.000 Plus, plus, every single block is different.

02:25:55.000 You'd be talking about millions of molds.

02:25:56.000 Like, if we're talking about molds here, then every single block is completely different.

02:26:01.000 So you'd need an individual mold for each one.

02:26:03.000 So, yeah, compelling idea.

02:26:05.000 Does it answer it?

02:26:06.000 No.

02:26:06.000 Nothing ever seems to fully answer it.

02:26:08.000 But it's compelling that he's trying to actually find a way to solidify the stone, and it seems to be working.

02:26:15.000 Whether it explains all of it, I don't know, but there's certainly a lot of people that will say that this is the definitive explanation behind it.

02:26:22.000 I don't think that.

02:26:23.000 The thing that these amazing sites have in common is that they are so spectacular, no one really has a logical explanation.

02:26:31.000 It's one of the coolest things about the most ancient of sites is that it forces you to go, wait, wait, wait, wait, even the best people don't defies probability.

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 It defies probability.

02:26:43.000 It's truly, truly fascinating, man.

02:26:46.000 It was a national project.

02:26:49.000 So simple.

02:26:50.000 I get it now.

02:26:51.000 Yeah, I know, man.

02:26:52.000 Like, this is the thing is, like, notice outdated kind of dismissal of everyone on the outside of the academic.

02:26:57.000 Yeah, gatekeeping.

02:26:58.000 You know, he wants to say he's not a gatekeeper.

02:27:00.000 He clearly is.

02:27:01.000 It's not yours, buddy.

02:27:02.000 Did you know he came through the Edgar Casey Foundation?

02:27:05.000 He did.

02:27:05.000 Wonderful.

02:27:06.000 Zahi Awas originated in the Edgar Casey Foundation.

02:27:09.000 So he got funded.

02:27:10.000 And weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro these ideas until about the mid-90s.

02:27:15.000 There's like a 1993 quote from him at a university in Cairo where he was saying something along the lines of there are tunnels underneath the Sphinx that lead down into greater structures.

02:27:26.000 And when we truly understand this, we will understand the real builders of the pyramids.

02:27:29.000 That was the last time he said anything close to that.

02:27:33.000 Post-1993, about 1993, maybe 96.

02:27:36.000 But after that, complete polar opposite, 90-degree change.

02:27:39.000 I wonder what happened to Zahi.

02:27:43.000 Who knows?

02:27:43.000 I don't understand why.

02:27:45.000 If you really want that place to get more money, more tourism, more people interested in it.

02:27:53.000 I mean, just be open to all of these people that are like yourself and like Graham Hancock.

02:28:00.000 Why wouldn't you not be open to these people and their ideas?

02:28:03.000 Like, they're clearly very well-versed.

02:28:06.000 Like Ben Van Kirkwick?

02:28:07.000 Oh, yeah, he's brilliant.

02:28:08.000 He's incredible.

02:28:09.000 Fantastic guy.

02:28:10.000 He's an encyclopedia of information about Egypt.

02:28:12.000 And why would you not want that guy exploring publicly and also reaching millions of people, by the way?

02:28:18.000 Yes.

02:28:19.000 Why wouldn't you want that?

02:28:20.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:28:22.000 I think there's maybe a bit of a cultural arrogance.

02:28:24.000 Like, who do you think you are, Westerner, coming over here and teaching us about our history?

02:28:29.000 I think there's a level of that, like, you know, at least on a surface layer, before you get into the deeper implications of, you know, Freemason secret societies keeping things from us.

02:28:36.000 My true fear is that it's people just have this desire to be the one in charge of stuff.

02:28:41.000 Right.

02:28:42.000 And the desire to be right.

02:28:43.000 They want to be the correct.

02:28:44.000 They want to be blocked.

02:28:45.000 They never want to be proven wrong.

02:28:46.000 And who's this guy?

02:28:47.000 Who's this podcaster who's coming on and telling me what my country's heritage is?

02:28:51.000 And I, you know, I think.

02:28:53.000 But the problem with that is like even mainstream archaeologists are angry about it.

02:28:57.000 Right.

02:28:57.000 Like, right.

02:28:58.000 Well, everyone gangs together.

02:28:59.000 You know, they all gang to get this groupthink.

02:29:01.000 Well, it's also a lot. 0.99

02:29:02.000 There's a lot of bitches in archaeology. 1.00

02:29:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:05.000 I've noticed that. 0.86

02:29:05.000 Bitchy people. 0.86

02:29:06.000 I've noticed that. 0.98

02:29:08.000 It's such a bad look for the profession.

02:29:11.000 It really is. 1.00

02:29:12.000 Because immature, like snarky, shitty comments. 0.99

02:29:17.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

02:29:18.000 Aspersions of racism. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:29:22.000 It's a really gross field in terms of some of the humans are out of it. 0.99

02:29:25.000 I came through the toxicity of the UFO community, which is like so bad. 0.89

02:29:29.000 And, you know, I thought it would be.

02:29:32.000 Yeah, a lot of kooks, but also just a lot of bad actors and hackers and people that want to, you know, one thing on the UFO subject, actually, which I do think is worth noting, because like I said to you, I think I'm one of the first people that you've had on that had to actually make their way through the social media interactions.

02:29:47.000 And one of the things that a lot of us noticed, and I have to give credit to a couple of people like Red Panda Koala and Tupa Cabra on Twitter, two very good researchers that have been highlighting this, is that when the whole kind of 2017 narrative and Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon and all these guys started coming out, obviously we were all extremely excited about it.

02:30:10.000 Over time, you know, there were some issues, like some contradictions.

02:30:15.000 Lou Elizondo especially has contradicted himself quite a lot.

02:30:18.000 And some of us started to get a little bit suspicious of these people and just started asking questions.

02:30:25.000 It didn't take long for us to be targeted by a pretty significant network online of people that were trying to hack and dox us.

02:30:34.000 And people like, he doesn't put his actual name out there, but people like Red Panda Koala was doxxed online, had his family house put out online, photos of his underage sister put out online by a group of individuals who are all very closely connected to Lou Elizondo.

02:30:53.000 And this is something that you would not notice outside of being in the minutiae of X, because you would see these troll accounts, these really nasty troll accounts that were all being followed by Lou.

02:31:05.000 And when they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated, Lou was one of the first people following them.

02:31:11.000 Some people have actually come out about this group now and revealed screenshots of DMs where they're in private conversations with people like Lou and Gary and some of these other guys who I got connected to early on, very early on.

02:31:23.000 I got some of the first interviews with these people and was very pro-it until I started realizing that they were very much trying to control the narrative and there were things you couldn't speak about.

02:31:32.000 Can't talk about reverse engineering or consciousness initiated contact.

02:31:38.000 Anything to do with Greer is completely poisonous.

02:31:41.000 Lou Elizondo was actually, he called Greer and a couple of other people terrorists.

02:31:45.000 He said I wouldn't negotiate with terrorists when asked about Stephen Greer.

02:31:50.000 But what people have dubbed this as is the UFO hate group.

02:31:53.000 This is very well known online, the UFO hate group.

02:31:55.000 And it's a group of people that are so savagely in favor of people like Lou and this kind of modernized narrative that if you even go half an inch, like I really gained my accolades in the UFO community.

02:32:07.000 People, you know, really praising me for the interviews I was getting until I started asking a few questions about people like Lou.

02:32:13.000 And suddenly I get an absolute maelstrom of hatred from people that were once really enjoying my content.

02:32:19.000 And I'm quite lucky.

02:32:21.000 I haven't been targeted so heavily.

02:32:23.000 Some people have had their lives ruined by these people who are all connected to individuals like Lou.

02:32:30.000 And Lou actually said that he came to burn UFOG to the ground.

02:32:33.000 Like he actually said that in an article.

02:32:34.000 He was like, I want to burn UFOG. 0.99

02:32:36.000 I want to destroy it.

02:32:37.000 When did he say that?

02:32:38.000 Oh, it was like in a few years back now.

02:32:40.000 You can get it.

02:32:40.000 Why did he say it?

02:32:41.000 What was the context?

02:32:42.000 I think it was just about the way in which the UFO community has been misrepresenting the phenomena and the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives.

02:32:50.000 And he just kind of, I want to put a hard reset.

02:32:53.000 Doesn't that kind of actually make sense to say?

02:32:55.000 Does he know things?

02:32:57.000 You don't think he knows things?

02:32:58.000 What does he know?

02:32:58.000 I don't know.

02:32:59.000 Exactly.

02:33:00.000 Right?

02:33:00.000 They all know something, but none of them can tell us.

02:33:02.000 And they all knew it from someone else.

02:33:04.000 And someone else told them and they knew it.

02:33:05.000 And they know this.

02:33:06.000 And like, dude, I was so in love with all of this.

02:33:09.000 You have to understand that I was truly, I was a believer.

02:33:12.000 I was like, this is amazing.

02:33:13.000 I had my orb experiences.

02:33:14.000 So I had a bias already.

02:33:15.000 I was like, I'm ready to believe in whatever you're saying.

02:33:17.000 It took me a while to start actually realizing that this is not going in a direction I think it should be going and that there's a heavily curated narrative.

02:33:24.000 And if you try and question the narrative, you will be punished by groupthink.

02:33:28.000 It felt like, honestly, I started to feel like I was in a COVID cult for UFology, where you just can't talk about Louis Lazondo in a bad light, regardless of the fact that this man has gone on stage and presented literal fake UFO photos to the public, which have been debunked in less than 24 hours.

02:33:44.000 And he had to admit that they were fake because of the debunks.

02:33:48.000 But people are just happy to forget these things happened.

02:33:51.000 Like he went up in a congressional setting and held up a UFO photo that was proven to just be fields, like agricultural fields.

02:34:01.000 Yes, this is a fake.

02:34:03.000 That's not a shadow.

02:34:04.000 That's a darker field next to the lighter field.

02:34:07.000 These are two circles.

02:34:08.000 And this was proven.

02:34:10.000 He had to admit it.

02:34:12.000 This is in a congressional setting.

02:34:12.000 He had to.

02:34:14.000 This man apparently ran the advanced aerospace threat identification program. 0.99

02:34:18.000 Aqual bullshit. 1.00

02:34:19.000 I don't believe he did because he seems like more of a government stooge. 0.99

02:34:23.000 And he feels like someone that would be sent out to do what he admits he was doing, counterintelligence.

02:34:27.000 He's a counterintelligence, counter-terrorism, counter-espionage guy.

02:34:30.000 I'm not a UFO guy.

02:34:31.000 I'm a counter-terrorism, counter-espionage guy.

02:34:33.000 He's also one of the guys calling for amnesty, right?

02:34:36.000 Oh, how surprising.

02:34:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:34:39.000 Yeah, no, he is.

02:34:39.000 Calling me shocked.

02:34:40.000 Like, you know, calling me shocked.

02:34:41.000 Does he say that in the because a lot of them do say it?

02:34:43.000 I want to make sure that he actually said that.

02:34:45.000 In the age of disclosure.

02:34:45.000 I don't know.

02:34:46.000 I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe.

02:34:47.000 I haven't even fucking watched it because I'm just not interested in that element of the UFO subject anymore. 0.96

02:34:51.000 I've been burned by these guys. 0.93

02:34:52.000 I've had Gary Nolan emailing me, like, why aren't you on the team anymore?

02:34:55.000 Why don't you be a team player? 0.97

02:34:56.000 It's like, because you're literally telling me that I can't tell my own fucking truth. 0.89

02:34:59.000 You're censoring me and saying that I'm not being a team player just because I have to. 0.96

02:35:04.000 What are we censoring you about?

02:35:05.000 What in particular?

02:35:06.000 Well, I was attempting to get you to stop talking about specifically.

02:35:11.000 Primarily, there seems to have been a bit of an issue with the way that I've been talking about Lou and his association with ATIP, because I think that ATIP was actually a cutout.

02:35:19.000 It wasn't a real program, and it was a cutout that was actually created for To the Stars Academy.

02:35:26.000 And ORSAP, which was more of a kind of precursor program, wasn't being run by Lou Olazondo.

02:35:33.000 That's the Advanced Weapon Application Space Program.

02:35:35.000 I forgot the actual acronym now.

02:35:37.000 ATIP is meant to be Lou's.

02:35:37.000 ORSAP.

02:35:39.000 And I just think that I have to be careful, but a very prominent journalist in the UFO community literally told me that Lou told him that this was all created for To the Stars Academy as like a way to generate an understandable structure.

02:35:55.000 Here's this guy.

02:35:57.000 He's running ATIP.

02:35:59.000 I have an issue with the idea that someone like Lou Alizondo can go to the New York Times and say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't being briefed on UFOs.

02:36:08.000 And I'm the one that was running a program when people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are being thrown to the wolves for just revealing standard national security issues.

02:36:17.000 This is meant to be even deeper, right?

02:36:18.000 This is a black, black budget. 0.58

02:36:19.000 This guy can just roll out to the New York Times.

02:36:21.000 Seems a little bit planned, seems a little bit curated and forced.

02:36:25.000 So I started asking those questions, and especially when things like this were happening, where there were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that are being debunked.

02:36:31.000 I was like, who is this guy?

02:36:33.000 You know, who is this guy, really?

02:36:34.000 And then his book comes out, and he's talking about being the torture czar in Guantanamo Bay.

02:36:40.000 And, you know, that the people there called him the Darth Vader of the United States.

02:36:43.000 This is in his book.

02:36:44.000 You know, that he admitted they called him the Torture Czar of Guantanamo Bay because you know he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo Bay black site, CIA black site.

02:36:51.000 Whoa.

02:36:52.000 Yeah.

02:36:53.000 So, you know, he actually had in his book that he was known as the Darth Vader of the United States by certain people and the torture czar of Guantanamo Bay.

02:37:03.000 I don't really trust people like this who, you know, waterboarded people for a living and are now trying to tell me what's going on in the UFO subject.

02:37:12.000 Well, let's ask this question.

02:37:14.000 What purpose would there be to muddy the narrative if you wanted to have a government agent come out and have what you're claiming is like a fake disclosure, like a government narrated disclosure?

02:37:28.000 What would be the purpose of that?

02:37:29.000 What are they all asking for, Joe?

02:37:31.000 Money?

02:37:32.000 Amnesty.

02:37:35.000 And what was happening before that is you had someone like Stephen Greer just saying, these people need to go to jail.

02:37:41.000 And that was the only big voice in the UFO community processing.

02:37:43.000 Maybe they're offering a window to possible disclosure, though.

02:37:46.000 Maybe. 0.98

02:37:47.000 If we give them this fucking amnesty, if we don't, what happens? 0.99

02:37:49.000 Nothing. 0.99

02:37:50.000 It keeps going the same way it's been going.

02:37:52.000 There's no actual disclosure.

02:37:54.000 We keep talking about it.

02:37:55.000 It gets nuts.

02:37:57.000 It gets to the point where it's driving you crazy. 0.99

02:37:59.000 Like, I don't even want to hear about any fucking UFOs until you show me one. 0.97

02:38:03.000 But if it's a real subject, and the only thing that's keeping us from learning this real subject is that. 0.98

02:38:09.000 And so they're trying to push out this narrative of amnesty.

02:38:12.000 I'll bite.

02:38:13.000 What are we talking about?

02:38:15.000 I think for me, again, coming up through it and just seeing how these people actually act when you challenge them and the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of, quite frankly, quite mentally unstable people that were very easily misled into believing they're important, who are getting brought into these signal chats, these private group chats.

02:38:32.000 And, you know, I'm in touch with Lou Lizondo.

02:38:35.000 I'm one of those guys.

02:38:36.000 I'm being brought in.

02:38:37.000 And, you know, they tried to use it. 1.00

02:38:38.000 Useful, useful idiot. 1.00

02:38:39.000 And like, there's a lot of them. 1.00

02:38:41.000 And, you know, there's a few people out there that are extremely dark individuals. 0.94

02:38:44.000 Like, we're talking like, you know, connected to all sorts of weird Satanism groups.

02:38:47.000 And Lou's just there of selfies, like hanging out with these guys. 0.94

02:38:50.000 Like, he's a dodgy dude.

02:38:51.000 I don't care.

02:38:52.000 He's like, you know, I'm freaked out even saying this on the Joe Rogan.

02:38:56.000 He's like, he's going to remote view my brain or something. 0.98

02:38:58.000 But at the same time, he is a dodgy guy. 0.98

02:39:00.000 He's shady.

02:39:01.000 But you do believe in the existence of these things.

02:39:04.000 Dude, I've had orbs hover over my house.

02:39:05.000 Yeah.

02:39:07.000 What do you think is that there is a clear decision somewhere in our government to muddy the water and to put out this narrative that these whistleblowers are trying to tell everybody.

02:39:21.000 So to slowly trickle this stuff out there and then float out amnesty, which is a big part of the age disclosure documentary for really the first time.

02:39:28.000 Exactly.

02:39:29.000 Have you ever heard anybody where everyone uniformly talks about that one particular subject?

02:39:34.000 Yeah, like I think that that's the goal is to create a curated soft disclosure that does the very best to paint the government in the best possible light and allows them to actually kind of not face too much punishment for what's been going on in the legacy programs.

02:39:48.000 Again, if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there, he was offering a completely different thing.

02:39:54.000 We need to punish these people. 0.96

02:39:55.000 They are criminals. 0.99

02:39:56.000 They've ruined humanity for 100 years of stagnating technological progress. 0.96

02:40:00.000 He's a little testy.

02:40:01.000 Got a little testy with that.

02:40:02.000 Should have taken a little softer tone.

02:40:05.000 Sorry.

02:40:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:40:07.000 With him.

02:40:08.000 Oh, maybe if he did that, maybe they would have to be so defensive. 1.00

02:40:12.000 Like, fuck, they want to lock us up. 1.00

02:40:14.000 That's why. 1.00

02:40:14.000 Yeah, but that's it. 1.00

02:40:15.000 As soon as you say you're going to lock someone up for what they did, they're going to say, I didn't do anything.

02:40:18.000 Yeah.

02:40:18.000 And they're going to keep saying that.

02:40:19.000 But that's why they got rid of him.

02:40:20.000 That's why they got rid of him.

02:40:21.000 That's why Gary Nolan, who was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two Stars Academy and they poached quite a few people from his team and brought him over to TTSA and he became a pariah.

02:40:32.000 You know, again, he says a lot of things that, quite frankly, I don't agree with.

02:40:36.000 But I just think that basically they tried to overtake the narrative and they needed government representatives to run this.

02:40:44.000 And just again, that's how they do everything.

02:40:46.000 Why would we be shocked that they do it about something this important?

02:40:49.000 Especially if there is lying to Congress, misappropriation of funds, and for sure some fraud.

02:40:49.000 Well, exactly.

02:40:56.000 For sure. 0.56

02:40:57.000 You're talking about a shit ton of money.

02:41:01.000 One thing that does interest me, though, is the ARV, the alien reproduction vehicle, the Flux Liner.

02:41:06.000 Have you heard of this?

02:41:07.000 You know about Mark McCandlish and the alien reproduction vehicle?

02:41:11.000 Oh, well, that's something you should have.

02:41:13.000 If you type in ARV Fluxliner, you'll get this image right away.

02:41:16.000 This is one of the avenues that I would actually pay attention to and think, okay, I think something's going on here.

02:41:23.000 Mark McCandlish was an aerospace illustrator for the US Air Force.

02:41:27.000 That's the yeah.

02:41:28.000 So the actual.

02:41:29.000 Oh, I have seen this.

02:41:30.000 Yeah, of course you have.

02:41:31.000 It's very classic.

02:41:33.000 And that one that's blue with the writing all over it, that's what was held up at the 2001 national press conference organized by Dr. Stephen Greer.

02:41:42.000 Again, like, you know, this isn't new.

02:41:43.000 Like, to be fair, to Dr. Greer, he brought like over 50 witnesses on live television during the national press conference.

02:41:50.000 And one of them was Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, who drew this sketch.

02:41:56.000 A friend of mine has a version of this framed in his house.

02:42:00.000 So do I.

02:42:01.000 I need to get one.

02:42:02.000 We need to get one for the students.

02:42:03.000 You can literally get one on Etsy for like $100. 0.99

02:42:06.000 It's like fucking go ahead. 0.97

02:42:07.000 It's a big one on Etsy. 0.99

02:42:09.000 But so this is important.

02:42:11.000 Mark McCandlish, he actually ended up taking his own life.

02:42:15.000 Go back to that again?

02:42:17.000 I want to read the heading.

02:42:19.000 It says, according to this documentary, we had the technology for faster than light travel and zero-point energy for a very long time.

02:42:26.000 Let's pretend this is true.

02:42:28.000 How do we know the UAPs we sent aren't ours and more modern buildings?

02:42:33.000 The person who made this documentary died of an aggressive form of cancer not long after making it.

02:42:39.000 He was quite a young man as well, documentary filmmaker who made this.

02:42:43.000 But Mark McCandlish, military illustrator, he had a friend called Brad Sorensen.

02:42:49.000 Now, Brad Sorensen was a government guy, aerospace engineer.

02:42:53.000 Lockheed Martin had quite an extensive portfolio.

02:42:57.000 And Brad Sorensen goes to his buddy one day, Mark McCandlish, and he says, I was shown something, and I want you to draw it.

02:43:03.000 I'm going to describe it to you in great detail, and I want you to create the illustration.

02:43:07.000 Brad Sorensen says that I think it was in like the 70s or late 60s or early 70s that he was invited to a private air show at Lockheed Martin by an individual who was a good friend of his in the military who was higher up than him.

02:43:20.000 And apparently this, you know, he didn't have what they call the tickets, the right classifications to actually get access to this private air show, but his friend brought him because he had the tickets.

02:43:31.000 And essentially, they bring him into a hangar in Lockheed Martin where three large sources of varying size were hovering a few feet off of the ground.

02:43:43.000 They were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.

02:43:47.000 That's the way that they were actually classifying them, had a nickname for a mummy.

02:43:51.000 Instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.

02:43:53.000 Like the idea that you could just instantaneously deliver a nuclear payload to anywhere in the world.

02:43:57.000 Oh my God.

02:43:58.000 Yeah.

02:43:59.000 Which is again one of the reasons why they might keep this stuff secret.

02:44:03.000 The ships were nicknamed Mama Bear, Baby Bear, and Papa Bear.

02:44:07.000 Oh my God.

02:44:07.000 Yeah.

02:44:09.000 What's really interesting about this is that Brad Sorensen has never gone public.

02:44:14.000 But I was in the room when he was phoned.

02:44:17.000 And I've heard him say things that have never been on the record before.

02:44:22.000 No one's ever contacted Brad Sorensen.

02:44:23.000 Mark McCandlish took his own life a number of years ago.

02:44:27.000 His closest friends would say that that was not anything untoward.

02:44:31.000 It's hard to know.

02:44:32.000 I didn't know the man.

02:44:33.000 All I know is this is the man that produced an incredibly profound illustration and then eventually took his own life.

02:44:39.000 But his friend Brad Sorensen has never gone public, ever.

02:44:42.000 Never.

02:44:43.000 I've got quite a few contacts now because of my research and affiliations that I've managed to gain with people in like the US Navy and Intel.

02:44:51.000 And a good friend of mine who was able to actually find his number and get in touch with Brad Sorensen.

02:44:57.000 I was present when he was phoned.

02:45:00.000 And, you know, my friend introduces himself to him and he'd never spoken to him before.

02:45:05.000 And they were just talking shop, first of all.

02:45:08.000 He said that he wanted to reach out to him because he'd heard about him through various stories online.

02:45:13.000 But, you know, anyway, to cut the long story short, he asked him, my friend asked him about Mark McCandlish and this alien reproduction vehicle. 0.98

02:45:21.000 And Brad Sorensen went off on quite a diatribe, actually, very angry about Mark and how he said that I gave this man the keys to the kingdom and he went out and told the whole fucking world. 0.70

02:45:36.000 And I will never do that because my employers will fry me. 0.97

02:45:42.000 He said they will fucking fry me if I speak out about this. 0.95

02:45:46.000 But I am capable of building and designing an aircraft that can go 210 times the speed of light. 0.99

02:45:56.000 Yeah, he reiterated that multiple times.

02:45:59.000 What?

02:46:01.000 Yeah, I am.

02:46:02.000 What year was this?

02:46:04.000 I've sat on this for a couple of years.

02:46:05.000 It's about two years ago that my friend phoned him.

02:46:10.000 Yeah, I was instantaneous.

02:46:13.000 Nuclear payload delivery.

02:46:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:16.000 I mean, you can imagine that's how the national security system would actually look at this.

02:46:19.000 Not as an exploratory vessel, but let's be honest.

02:46:22.000 What is this?

02:46:23.000 It's a payload delivery system that's instantaneous.

02:46:25.000 Let's be honest.

02:46:26.000 That's what they would look at it as, right?

02:46:27.000 Another reason to keep it secret, probably.

02:46:31.000 But that was, you know, I would love to get him on record.

02:46:33.000 I don't know if you ever will, Brad.

02:46:34.000 If you're listening to this, I would like to get you on record.

02:46:36.000 But he, yeah, he said that.

02:46:40.000 He said that he can design a craft that goes 210 times the speed of light.

02:46:45.000 And this is the guy that gave Mark McCandlish the illustrations to create that ARV.

02:46:50.000 So it's weird.

02:46:53.000 I mean, it's weird, dude.

02:46:54.000 This is the real question.

02:46:56.000 What would civilization be like had this stuff not been kept secret?

02:47:00.000 Right.

02:47:01.000 If we had access to that kind of energy, whatever that thing is operating on. 1.00

02:47:07.000 Could you imagine if you had access to that energy and you're watching all these idiots burn coal? 1.00

02:47:10.000 No. 1.00

02:47:11.000 What are you doing?

02:47:12.000 But you can't say anything.

02:47:13.000 Yeah.

02:47:13.000 Because you have an instantaneous delivery system.

02:47:17.000 I'd hate to be these people.

02:47:18.000 I'd hate to be these people.

02:47:19.000 That's crazy.

02:47:20.000 Imagine sitting there knowing that we have access to these kind of technologies.

02:47:22.000 There's also like this desire to tell people something that's really important to humanity.

02:47:26.000 They can't all be complete sociopaths.

02:47:28.000 Like they screen them for that reason.

02:47:28.000 Yeah, maybe they do.

02:47:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:31.000 Like they have to be a certain personality type. 0.99

02:47:33.000 They don't give a fuck about humanity. 0.94

02:47:35.000 I think, honestly, I think at the highest levels of these, especially these military corporations, I think you just have to become that anyway. 0.98

02:47:43.000 Yeah, by force of nature.

02:47:44.000 Yeah, like, well, we're going to kill 100,000 people today. 0.96

02:47:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:47:48.000 I mean, how emotionally attached can you possibly be in that big task-oriented position?

02:47:53.000 So, you know, the AR-V is a provocative one for me.

02:47:56.000 And to be honest, man, I think a lot of this, I mean, it's called the AR-V, the alien reproduction vehicle.

02:48:01.000 And maybe we have had alien crashed vehicles, but I'm more tempted to believe that Nikola Tesla's work was taken by the US government.

02:48:09.000 John G. Trump, Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one that actually oversaw all of that.

02:48:14.000 You know that?

02:48:15.000 Yeah.

02:48:15.000 Yeah, he actually looked at all that.

02:48:16.000 You know, we found a correspondence between Nikola Tesla and British and Russian royalty, like the high top levels of Britain and Russian royalty, about them acquiring a super weapon of incredible power.

02:48:28.000 There's a video, I actually posted it on X, of John G. Trump, a vintage video of him talking about coming across these correspondent letters that he never found the true method of the secret weapon or what it was, but there was correspondence between the king and Russian czars.

02:48:44.000 about acquiring it from Nikola Tesla.

02:48:46.000 So I think that they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies, I think people like T. Townsend Brown, you know, these original ideas of being able to use field induction to create positive lift.

02:48:59.000 This is something that was being looked at by humans.

02:49:02.000 You don't need to invoke flying sources crashing from Alpha Centauri for that.

02:49:06.000 Maybe it happened, but I would be more on the line that we've done it ourselves.

02:49:10.000 We've done it ourselves.

02:49:12.000 Yeah, some of it.

02:49:13.000 The Cold War happened, Cold War paranoia, and we've never got rid of it.

02:49:15.000 All the iron walls came up around that.

02:49:18.000 And it's a case of how do we kind of get rid of all this legacy program, you know, stoving and stovepiping because of Cold War paranoia.

02:49:25.000 It's too late now because we're in 2025 and you've got to try and tell us that you've got zero point energy. 0.98

02:49:30.000 You know, we've been flying around in fucking Wright Brothers planes for 100 years and shit. 0.98

02:49:34.000 Like, are you kidding me? 0.99

02:49:35.000 Like, it's not going to go down well.

02:49:36.000 So amnesty, right?

02:49:37.000 Yeah.

02:49:38.000 Amnesty. 1.00

02:49:39.000 Fuck, it might be the only way. 1.00

02:49:41.000 It might be the only way. 1.00

02:49:41.000 And if it is the only way, that's fine. 1.00

02:49:43.000 But like I said, I do have...

02:49:44.000 It sucks that they're not going to get punished for crimes, but so what?

02:49:48.000 So what? 0.87

02:49:48.000 At least we are not being punished by being withheld. 0.87

02:49:52.000 Information being withheld that I think would change the course of humanity in probably a fantastic way.

02:49:52.000 Exactly.

02:49:57.000 But I do feel, I feel like the world would have to become a more heavily controlled place for these types of technologies to come out.

02:50:02.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:50:03.000 I was trying to wrap this up on a high note.

02:50:05.000 Digital ID coming up.

02:50:07.000 Well, that's all I'm saying.

02:50:08.000 Like, you know, the control structures around something like free energy would have to be quite profound because of the things we were saying about some psycho with a ZPE device.

02:50:15.000 Exactly.

02:50:16.000 Like, look at what just happened in Bondi Beach in Australia.

02:50:18.000 Imagine if you have access to that, if everybody has access to that, especially off the internet, you figure out how to design one.

02:50:25.000 It's not that hard.

02:50:26.000 The world will have to become a more restrictive place for these things to come out for public benefit.

02:50:30.000 Now people are going to think you're a Fed for saying that.

02:50:34.000 Listen, man, I really enjoyed this conversation.

02:50:36.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:50:37.000 It's been really cool.

02:50:38.000 And your content is excellent.

02:50:39.000 So please tell everybody how they can watch more of your stuff.

02:50:39.000 Thank you so much.

02:50:41.000 Yeah, I've got a terrible business acumen.

02:50:44.000 So I just have two channels, Project Unity on YouTube and The Project Unity on X.

02:50:50.000 And if you want to follow me and subscribe, I think that's a good model.

02:50:53.000 It's quality stuff and it's building a following just literally based on being good.

02:50:57.000 For real.

02:50:58.000 So thank you, brothers.

02:50:59.000 Appreciate it so much, Dave.

02:51:00.000 All right.

02:51:00.000 We'll do it again.

02:51:01.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:51:01.000 Yes.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 24, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2430 - Jay Anderson

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