The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2433 - James McCann

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00:00:14.000 That's fucking good.

00:00:16.000 Have we started?

00:00:16.000 Have we gone?

00:00:17.000 We're starting.

00:00:18.000 Oh, no.

00:00:20.000 Not over the relics.

00:00:21.000 The dirtier this table is, the better.

00:00:24.000 Get it away from the relics.

00:00:28.000 That is, that's from my friend John Reeves.

00:00:30.000 He gave that to me.

00:00:31.000 That's a mastodon tooth.

00:00:33.000 Or woolly mammoth, or what's the difference?

00:00:35.000 What is the difference between a woolly mammoth and a mastodon?

00:00:38.000 They must be a different age, a different era.

00:00:42.000 But that's a giant tooth.

00:00:45.000 There's a company in Alaska, I forget the name, but they kind of seems fucked to carve into this thing because it is 10,000 years old, at least.

00:00:53.000 How many of them are there, though?

00:00:54.000 Do they have heaps of them?

00:00:55.000 They have heaps of them.

00:00:56.000 But this is really cool.

00:00:57.000 It's like they carved a mammoth in it.

00:01:00.000 So what is the difference?

00:01:01.000 According to our sponsor, Perplexity, a woolly mammoth and a mastodon were related but quite different ice age elephants.

00:01:08.000 Mammoths were taller, more slightly built grass eaters, while mastodons were shorter, stockier browsers that ate woody plants.

00:01:17.000 I was going to say the hair, maybe, but I don't.

00:01:17.000 Okay.

00:01:19.000 It's obviously more.

00:01:21.000 Woolly mammoth, right?

00:01:22.000 Yeah, a mastodon looks like an elephant.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler.

00:01:26.000 They're all pretty cool.

00:01:26.000 They're pretty cool.

00:01:28.000 You know, they lived on an...

00:01:31.000 What?

00:01:31.000 What's it?

00:01:32.000 Where were the last mastodons?

00:01:35.000 I want to say they lived on an island.

00:01:39.000 Until like 10,000 years ago or something like that.

00:01:42.000 Because most of them died out.

00:01:46.000 They don't know how they died out, but there's two theories.

00:01:49.000 One theory is people killed them all, which is a shaky theory.

00:01:53.000 Because it's people of 10,000 years ago with fucking sticks.

00:01:56.000 Were they around 10,000 years ago?

00:01:58.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, they did.

00:02:00.000 We definitely did that then.

00:02:01.000 I don't think so.

00:02:02.000 I think it was a cataclysm.

00:02:04.000 I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all megafauna.

00:02:08.000 That's the problem.

00:02:08.000 It killed so many different animals almost instantaneously.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:02:12.000 40,000 years ago.

00:02:13.000 4,000 years ago, Wrangell Island, remote Arctic island off Siberia's coast, had the last woolly mammoth until about 4,000 years ago.

00:02:21.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:02:22.000 That's nothing.

00:02:23.000 That's nuts.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, that's like before the pyramids were built.

00:02:28.000 No, I mean after the pyramids were built, rather.

00:02:30.000 Similar time.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, after the pyramids.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, after the pyramids.

00:02:33.000 Allegedly.

00:02:34.000 I think they were probably built earlier than that.

00:02:36.000 But the official date is 2,500.

00:02:38.000 I've seen that strange man with the beard.

00:02:40.000 Which one?

00:02:41.000 That man you had on to debate it, who's always clapping back on Twitter and going like, there's nothing funny about the...

00:02:46.000 Oh, Flint Devil?

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 I don't want to invoke his ire.

00:02:49.000 I don't really know.

00:02:50.000 He's got a lot of ire.

00:02:51.000 He's got a lot of time and stuff.

00:02:52.000 I actually enjoyed talking to him about non-archaeolog, non-ancient history-related stuff.

00:02:58.000 He has some interesting things about seeds.

00:03:01.000 Like he does a lot of work in seeds.

00:03:04.000 No, it's actually really interesting how...

00:03:06.000 Like the history of scenes?

00:03:07.000 Yeah, when, so say if you have a wild plant, they can tell the difference between a wild plant and an agriculturally grown plant.

00:03:07.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 And the way is the seeds change.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 So when you have a wild seed, it is more conducive to the growth of the plant if the seeds break off easier and scatter and they get into the ground easier.

00:03:28.000 So they break free of the plant.

00:03:30.000 But then when you use agriculture, the seeds don't become important for the creation of new plants because you're always taking the seeds anyway and planting the seeds, right?

00:03:39.000 So those seeds are more robust and they hang on more.

00:03:42.000 Yeah.

00:03:43.000 So you could tell by looking at the actual seeds themselves whether it's an agriculturally based seed or whether it's a wild seed.

00:03:53.000 I hadn't thought about that.

00:03:53.000 That is good.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 It was really cool.

00:03:56.000 That part was cool.

00:03:58.000 The shittiness is not cool and calling Graham Hancock a racist.

00:04:01.000 They do that with like everyone.

00:04:03.000 Everyone who has anything to say about the historical narrative that doesn't fit into exactly what they're teaching or what they have been teaching, they're like so unwilling to accept that there's any alternative timeline.

00:04:19.000 But they keep getting fucked because over and over again, they keep finding these new things that are older and older.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:25.000 Like the fact that Tevi was the big one.

00:04:27.000 It happens in every discipline.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 I mean, it happens in comedy.

00:04:30.000 There's people that don't like new comedians that are coming up.

00:04:33.000 They don't like what they're doing differently.

00:04:35.000 There was a thing last night about prop comedy.

00:04:37.000 Like everyone just stopped doing prop comedy at a certain point.

00:04:37.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 Well, it's because of Carrotop.

00:04:40.000 It's because of Carrotop and also because the bullying you would receive at the moment for having props.

00:04:45.000 Rick Glassman, am I getting his name right?

00:04:48.000 But he had some props and he was really funny and he got away with it.

00:04:48.000 I don't know.

00:04:51.000 But he's the only person in America other than Carrot Top I've seen with any props.

00:04:54.000 Well, when I started out, there was a bunch of guys who had props.

00:04:58.000 There was a bunch of guys who had props and it was fun.

00:05:01.000 It was fun to watch.

00:05:02.000 There was, God, Dr. Wid?

00:05:06.000 I forget his name.

00:05:08.000 Dr. Wiz?

00:05:09.000 I forget his name.

00:05:10.000 But he was a guy when I first started out in the 1980s.

00:05:14.000 He had props and he was good.

00:05:16.000 He was a funny comic.

00:05:17.000 It'll be cyclical.

00:05:18.000 Like, ladies with ukuleles had to go away for a time. 1.00

00:05:18.000 It'll come back. 1.00

00:05:22.000 It was necessary that we purge ukulele women from comedy. 1.00

00:05:25.000 How many were there?

00:05:26.000 Oh, my God.

00:05:27.000 I don't know.

00:05:27.000 There was.

00:05:28.000 Is this him?

00:05:29.000 The legendary wid.

00:05:30.000 That's it.

00:05:30.000 Legendary Wid.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, that's the dude.

00:05:33.000 And he would do like science-based humor.

00:05:37.000 He was a funny guy.

00:05:38.000 So this is, you know, I saw him in like 88, 88, 89.

00:05:43.000 But the point was that guy was really funny when he started busting out the props.

00:05:47.000 Yeah.

00:05:48.000 And we were like, I was like, why don't you just do props?

00:05:51.000 This is your thing.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:52.000 Like that kind of humor, his kind of humor, it's almost like it's missing something in just the straight stand-up form.

00:06:00.000 There's like there's waves of things become trendy and then people who can't really do it very well jump onto it and then it gets lame and people stop doing it.

00:06:07.000 Well a lot of it is one guy gets really successful doing it and then that becomes his thing.

00:06:12.000 We had a run of people pretending to be retarded in Australia. 0.97

00:06:17.000 How hard did they try?

00:06:18.000 Really hard.

00:06:19.000 Were they on the border?

00:06:20.000 It just like slowed it down a little bit.

00:06:21.000 They were weird sweaters, people having like fireworks that they would fire into themselves and everyone would like come out with cards and read their act.

00:06:28.000 That's what happens when you take away everyone's guns.

00:06:30.000 They're trying to take them away again again.

00:06:32.000 They already took them all away.

00:06:32.000 Again.

00:06:34.000 And then somehow we still had a massive shooting.

00:06:36.000 And now the response is, well, maybe we could take even more of them away.

00:06:41.000 What was the nationality of the people that caused the shooting?

00:06:44.000 The son, I think, was born in Australia.

00:06:46.000 And the dad, there was a big fight over it on Twitter where people were going, he's Pakistani.

00:06:50.000 I remember that, but I didn't anymore.

00:06:53.000 I don't anymore.

00:06:54.000 I don't get in there.

00:06:55.000 The big argument was over the religion of the hero who took one of the guns away.

00:06:59.000 So like the cops were apparently cowering.

00:07:02.000 That's the narrative.

00:07:03.000 I don't know.

00:07:04.000 But one guy ran up and it's a great video of a guy like he runs at a guy with a gun and wrestles the gun off him and aims the gun at him and lets the, he does let the guy get away.

00:07:14.000 He doesn't want to kill him.

00:07:16.000 Which is kind of crazy.

00:07:17.000 The guy just kills how many people?

00:07:18.000 Oh, and then I think the guy gets a gun and goes on killing people.

00:07:22.000 But he's not a killer, this guy who wrestled the gun off him.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:24.000 He was just in the head with the butt, like in the movies.

00:07:27.000 I don't know what I, I mean, I wouldn't have been a girl.

00:07:29.000 I wouldn't have ever run up to a man with a gun.

00:07:31.000 I would have been out of there.

00:07:32.000 But the argument was what religion was the guy who took the gun.

00:07:36.000 Because people on the right really didn't want him to be a Muslim.

00:07:39.000 They were like, it was a huge thing on X of people.

00:07:41.000 People on the right didn't want him to kill him.

00:07:43.000 Because it was Muslim shooters, but then it looked like his name was like Ahmed Al Ahmed or something. 0.92

00:07:47.000 But hold on, why would the people on the right not want him to be a Muslim?

00:07:50.000 Because then you can go, this is a Muslim thing. 1.00

00:07:52.000 Muslims were doing the shooting, and we can just go, let's deal with the Muslims. 1.00

00:07:55.000 Oh, you mean the guy who captured the guy?

00:07:57.000 The guy who wrestled the gun off you was also a Muslim, which then makes it like a heroic.

00:08:02.000 Yeah.

00:08:03.000 Well, his name is like Muhammad Muhammadson.

00:08:05.000 But imagine being a regular Muslim and having to deal with these crazy motherfuckers. 1.00

00:08:09.000 There he is.

00:08:10.000 That guy.

00:08:11.000 Yeah, people love him.

00:08:12.000 But man, shoot the guy in the foot.

00:08:15.000 If you didn't want to kill him, shoot him and blow his fucking away.

00:08:20.000 Look at him go.

00:08:21.000 Oh, that's amazing.

00:08:23.000 And he doesn't do anything.

00:08:25.000 So the guy just gets away.

00:08:26.000 The guy does get away.

00:08:28.000 Oh, this is not good.

00:08:29.000 But then after he lets him get away, I think he drops the gun and he goes away.

00:08:33.000 And then he gets shot again in the arm.

00:08:35.000 And who knows what to do when there's a live.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, you don't know what to do.

00:08:39.000 Well, that's a good person.

00:08:40.000 That's a good person.

00:08:41.000 He is a national hero at the moment.

00:08:43.000 And I think if he had, man, people wanted him to be a Maronite Christian so bad.

00:08:49.000 The Groypers were desperate for him to be. 0.99

00:08:51.000 There was a lot of people going, well, actually.

00:08:52.000 You know, that's the real problem we have in this country.

00:08:55.000 We want to pretend that people actually exist in groups.

00:08:58.000 Even if there's high percentages of people from groups that are doing bad things, there's still a giant percentage that are not.

00:09:05.000 And to alienate all those people by just lumping it all in as one group together.

00:09:10.000 Imagine you're a peaceful Muslim and you have to deal with this shit. 1.00

00:09:14.000 And you're like, guys, I just want to pray.

00:09:16.000 I'm just trying to find oneness with God.

00:09:19.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

00:09:20.000 I love twirling.

00:09:21.000 I'm one of the twirling ones.

00:09:23.000 They're my favorite ones personally.

00:09:25.000 What's a twirlin?

00:09:26.000 The twirling dervishes?

00:09:27.000 They just love twirling.

00:09:28.000 They love to twirl.

00:09:30.000 Twirling.

00:09:31.000 I was trying to figure out what you're talking about.

00:09:32.000 Twirling.

00:09:33.000 But this is what's weird.

00:09:34.000 So after that, the government comes out and is like cracking down on right-wing extremism because it's a lefty government and they go, clearly we have a problem with right-wing extremism.

00:09:44.000 So now they're trying to reclassify globalized infotata jihadism as a form of right-wing extremism.

00:09:53.000 Which I'd never, which like, yeah, I guess it's not commie-lefty stuff.

00:09:57.000 Well, you have to look at it on paper objectively.

00:09:59.000 It is.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, but I don't know how much they hang out.

00:10:02.000 I don't know if these guys.

00:10:03.000 I don't think these guys are reading like, I don't know, William F. Buckley Jr.

00:10:08.000 It's still.

00:10:10.000 Let's break down what is right-wing then.

00:10:12.000 Okay.

00:10:13.000 Let's say this.

00:10:14.000 Do they want to completely control women's behavior and completely dictate whether or not the woman can leave the house with certain clothes on, what they're allowed to do? 0.87

00:10:14.000 Okay. 0.87

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 That's kind of a right-wing thing, isn't it?

00:10:26.000 Right?

00:10:29.000 Yes.

00:10:30.000 Total religious adherence.

00:10:32.000 They want a religious state.

00:10:33.000 Yeah, but the Taliban want to dance with little boys. 0.94

00:10:36.000 That seems like a leftist.

00:10:37.000 That's a separate breakoff group.

00:10:39.000 They're like the Baptists. 1.00

00:10:41.000 They're like the Catholics. 1.00

00:10:43.000 You got your regular Christians, and then you got some other motherfuckers that are out there running wild with new rules. 1.00

00:10:43.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:10:50.000 Mormons.

00:10:50.000 How about this?

00:10:52.000 Mormons? 0.55

00:10:52.000 Yeah. 0.55

00:10:53.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:10:54.000 It's like their breakoff group.

00:10:55.000 It's not the ones who are banging the boys.

00:10:57.000 That's not normal.

00:10:58.000 There's a lot of guys out there that are Muslim that are not banging boys.

00:11:02.000 So when you connect them with the Taliban, they're like, hey, bro, I'm just praying over here.

00:11:07.000 It's all people just trying to have fun.

00:11:10.000 Who am I to judge anybody?

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:12.000 The problem is then when you push these people, it's the same thing that happens.

00:11:16.000 You call everyone a racist.

00:11:17.000 You get a Nick Quintes.

00:11:17.000 What do you get?

00:11:19.000 You get a guy who emerges.

00:11:20.000 He's got the balls to shit talk and have fun and say wild things that are very inappropriate and sometimes racist.

00:11:27.000 That's what you get.

00:11:29.000 Someone embraces that guy because you've been told you're a racist just for being white.

00:11:33.000 You know, you've been told there's something wrong with you, white male.

00:11:36.000 Like there was a time where someone would say something in comments all the time.

00:11:39.000 I would watch these people arguing.

00:11:41.000 And someone, it was a common thing to say, as a white man, I think you should probably shut your fucking mouth.

00:11:49.000 Like as a white man, you're a white man.

00:11:51.000 You're disqualified from having an opinion on something because you are a white man.

00:11:55.000 It's another form of racism.

00:11:57.000 It's just an accepted form of racism.

00:11:59.000 That's really weird.

00:12:00.000 But then you, like, Nick Fuentes is getting all his other ideas through as well.

00:12:03.000 Because he was the only person saying things that the average person would think was kind of normal.

00:12:08.000 Well, but then he wasn't.

00:12:11.000 A lot of the stuff he's saying was not something the average person would think of.

00:12:15.000 But you sneak your other weird stuff through.

00:12:17.000 Like when everyone's going.

00:12:18.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:12:20.000 You know, like when he says, when he's getting attacked for going, like, a black neighborhood is going to be more violent on average in America. 0.74

00:12:25.000 You go, yes, I've traveled around the country, and that is, I think there's a long history for why that's true.

00:12:30.000 Well, it's factually correct.

00:12:32.000 That seems to be correct.

00:12:34.000 The question is, though, why?

00:12:36.000 And that's where it gets uncomfortable.

00:12:38.000 Yeah.

00:12:38.000 Because the real reason for why is a host of factors.

00:12:44.000 But the primary one is crime and poverty.

00:12:47.000 The primary one is they live in a community that's filled with crime and poverty.

00:12:51.000 Yes.

00:12:51.000 And if you have a, and drugs.

00:12:52.000 And if you have a community where people are selling drugs and it's crime and poverty, you're going to get a lot of violence, whether it's an Italian community, Armenian community, or any community where you got a lot of crime and a lot of poverty.

00:13:03.000 I first came here, I went to Appalachia.

00:13:04.000 People are going to get killed.

00:13:05.000 There are white people doing crazy, crazy things.

00:13:08.000 You ever see the Wild and Wonderful Whites of West? 1.00

00:13:10.000 I watched it like a week ago.

00:13:11.000 Fucking amazing.

00:13:12.000 The most charismatic family I've ever seen.

00:13:14.000 Knoxville did that, didn't he?

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:16.000 He basically produced it.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 Bro, that's it.

00:13:18.000 It made me feel so homesick.

00:13:20.000 I was only there for a couple months.

00:13:22.000 I wanted to go back so bad.

00:13:23.000 The dancing outlaw.

00:13:25.000 When they're like, granddaddy had a new way of dancing.

00:13:28.000 And it's the most insane.

00:13:31.000 Like, was that really going to take off?

00:13:32.000 It did.

00:13:33.000 Is that the style of dancing?

00:13:34.000 Bro, when you're on meth, it's awesome.

00:13:36.000 I mean, Miss.

00:13:37.000 It's the perfect dance style.

00:13:38.000 Oh, they were on everything.

00:13:38.000 Yes, they were.

00:13:39.000 They were on the what.

00:13:40.000 How about the lady? 1.00

00:13:42.000 I'm always been thought of as a sexy one.

00:13:44.000 She was a stripper. 1.00

00:13:45.000 Remember her?

00:13:46.000 No, I did.

00:13:46.000 The voice.

00:13:48.000 I did a big deep dive on Wikipedia about them afterwards.

00:13:51.000 She stumped a kitten. 0.86

00:13:52.000 Which one's dancing here? 0.92

00:13:53.000 This is Jessico, American Outlaw.

00:13:55.000 Jesko is.

00:13:56.000 He's the younger guy.

00:13:59.000 Jesko lives out the legacy.

00:14:02.000 Excuse me?

00:14:03.000 He's like, he keeps the dancing alive.

00:14:06.000 He's the one who's a celebrity in the show.

00:14:07.000 Right.

00:14:08.000 But then there's another documentary about him, and in both documentaries, he complains about a woman making his eggs wrong.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, that's that dude.

00:14:15.000 Yeah.

00:14:16.000 He's got it.

00:14:17.000 He's a charismatic guy.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, he said he would cut her if she gave him ruddy eggs.

00:14:21.000 I was like, sloppy eggs.

00:14:24.000 Settle down, bro.

00:14:25.000 Like, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating this.

00:14:27.000 But I think one of them just got out of prison.

00:14:30.000 I think the one who at the start of that document.

00:14:32.000 I hope Trump got him out.

00:14:33.000 Who got out?

00:14:34.000 What did he do?

00:14:35.000 The one who shot his uncle?

00:14:38.000 Oh, that kid.

00:14:40.000 Yeah.

00:14:40.000 I think he just got.

00:14:41.000 That's the sexy one.

00:14:42.000 I've always been the sexiest one in the family.

00:14:44.000 Listen to what she said, the way she says it, though.

00:14:46.000 The voice is incredible.

00:14:48.000 It's just pictures.

00:14:48.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 I think that sexy one, I think she did get in trouble for stepping on a cat. 1.00

00:14:53.000 Well, there was a thing in that film that was interesting, though, towards the end, where you see, like, some of them are trying to, like, move away from that life.

00:15:01.000 One girl got sober. 0.89

00:15:02.000 So there was like a take to it where they realized, like, hey, this is not sustainable.

00:15:07.000 This is a crazy way to live.

00:15:08.000 I'm a mother.

00:15:09.000 Like, what am I doing?

00:15:10.000 You know, and she was trying to get out of it. 0.85

00:15:12.000 Which I think a lot of people do come to the realization if you're in that kind of a community.

00:15:16.000 I got to get the fuck away from these crazy assholes and stop doing meth.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, I think.

00:15:20.000 It is.

00:15:22.000 But it's how do you do it?

00:15:23.000 See, this is the thing.

00:15:24.000 This is the thing.

00:15:25.000 When you say, like, is it true that there's a higher percentage of murders that occur in black communities?

00:15:32.000 Right.

00:15:33.000 Right.

00:15:34.000 But as opposed to poor communities, like, what about like deeply impoverished communities?

00:15:40.000 Like, and then when you introduce a history of gang violence and crime and no one ever does anything to stop it, it's going to stay the same.

00:15:48.000 Whether it's in Appalachia or whether it's the Hatfields and the McCoy's, all those motherfuckers that were killing each other back in the Wild West days.

00:15:55.000 I mean, it's probably horrible back then.

00:15:57.000 Why?

00:15:58.000 Because they let it be that way.

00:15:59.000 Nobody did anything about it.

00:16:00.000 You couldn't stop them.

00:16:01.000 And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad.

00:16:04.000 This is my, I don't want to speak out of turn because it's not my country.

00:16:07.000 But like when I've been driving through it.

00:16:08.000 People love to come to America and tell us what to do.

00:16:10.000 I love it.

00:16:11.000 I think it's the greatest country in the world.

00:16:13.000 And I repeat that again.

00:16:14.000 Me too.

00:16:14.000 When I drive through like a bad area and there's like a Planned Parenthood with a line around the block and things set on fire.

00:16:21.000 And you can just like, I know that Planned Parenthood started out as a eugenicist organization where they went, like, that was the lady who founded it.

00:16:28.000 That was her thing.

00:16:30.000 And you can really see in those neighborhoods, it's like, if you have a child here, you're going to be tied to this community.

00:16:36.000 We want you to get out.

00:16:37.000 We want people who have the spirit to get out of here and to live a good, full life in America, not to be tied down to being in like a really difficult, crime-riddled area.

00:16:47.000 Yeah.

00:16:48.000 So abort your children so you can get out seems to be the I think they're still doing the eugenicist thing of being like, just be free for different reasons, not because they want to dilute the numbers in the population or whatever, but because they go, you've got to be a free person who can leave and children will tie you to a place.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, that's a way to look at it.

00:17:05.000 That was when I was driving through, I forget Wisconsin, northern Wisconsin.

00:17:10.000 I don't know.

00:17:10.000 I just hit with this.

00:17:12.000 Oh, man.

00:17:13.000 It's like usually the rough area of a town is lifted up by a freeway in America.

00:17:18.000 Like you don't see, if you drive into Chicago, you're just way up here on a freeway and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings you've ever seen in your life.

00:17:25.000 And people go, it's very scary over in the other part of Chicago.

00:17:28.000 And you go, I never saw it.

00:17:29.000 I was 30 feet in the air.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:17:32.000 But in some places, I have driven through it and I've gone, or I've stopped and you go, there's someone's, like, if I lived here, I mean, there are some areas that are so rough.

00:17:41.000 It's like, man, if I lived here, I would go and steal and kill from the people who live 20 minutes up the road for sure.

00:17:50.000 You know, like you just drive 20 minutes up the road and there's a German town and everything's perfect and everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful.

00:17:55.000 And you, this doesn't happen in.

00:17:55.000 Yep.

00:17:58.000 I'm from a very flat country by comparison.

00:17:58.000 I don't know.

00:18:01.000 The highs and lows here are incredible.

00:18:03.000 Oh, the highs and lows of what?

00:18:05.000 America.

00:18:05.000 You mean poverty and wealth?

00:18:07.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 Okay.

00:18:08.000 Like the Bronx being an hour from the Hamptons.

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00:19:31.000 It's all of it's real close.

00:19:32.000 I used to say that like when I lived in LA, I was like, you know, people, like, this is a good neighborhood.

00:19:37.000 I go, right.

00:19:38.000 But you know, people from a bad neighborhood can just come into your good neighborhood.

00:19:42.000 You know about all that, right?

00:19:44.000 When people are like, why do you have dogs?

00:19:45.000 Why do you have guns?

00:19:46.000 I was like, what?

00:19:48.000 Like, do you watch the news?

00:19:49.000 Are you fucking crazy?

00:19:49.000 Yeah.

00:19:51.000 Like, you got to be careful out there.

00:19:53.000 And most of the time, it's not going to happen to you.

00:19:55.000 The 99.99% of people will never experience anything awful.

00:20:00.000 But to not have any idea that it could ever happen to you is bad.

00:20:05.000 I think the real problem, and this is the one that just doesn't get addressed with any politicians ever, is something massive has to be done to stop this lineage of people that are coming from these crime-ridden places, and no one changes anything about it at all.

00:20:27.000 We had a cop on once from Baltimore, and he was telling us that while he was on duty, he found this crime sheet, a doc sheet of all the things that happened in like 76 or something like that.

00:20:40.000 And he was reading all the areas and all the crimes, and it dawned on him.

00:20:44.000 He's like, oh, my God, like this is the same crimes in the same area decades later, and nothing has changed.

00:20:52.000 They need to do something huge.

00:20:55.000 Like, treat that as if it's an untapped resource of human potential, because that's what it is.

00:21:00.000 All those people in that community, if they had been born and raised with different families in a different place, completely different outcome.

00:21:08.000 A giant percentage of who you are is dumb luck.

00:21:12.000 And if the people that got the worst luck to be born in a crack house or be born in a place where there's gang violence on the street every day and you go to school and you have to pick a gang, if you don't pick a gang, they'll fucking kill you.

00:21:24.000 Like, what are you going to do?

00:21:26.000 Like, you're not going to do anything but what everybody else is doing.

00:21:29.000 That's what most people are going to do.

00:21:30.000 The few that are going to break out, maybe they're musicians or an athlete or something like that.

00:21:34.000 They break out.

00:21:35.000 But for the most part, you're fucked.

00:21:37.000 But what it is, is untapped and unrealized human potential that's going to waste on the most stupid fucking shit in the world.

00:21:47.000 But then when you try and do something like that in America, the pushback is huge.

00:21:51.000 What is the pushback of investing into communities?

00:21:53.000 I would say like in a small, I think the National Guard going into some places.

00:21:57.000 Okay, that's different.

00:21:57.000 So that's what I'm saying.

00:21:58.000 That's what it can look like sometimes back there at Devil's Day.

00:22:01.000 That's what it can look like under this administration.

00:22:02.000 Portland, yeah, there's got to be a better way of doing it.

00:22:05.000 Well, you're just going to get too much pushback.

00:22:07.000 But what you can't do is let it get to the point where it's feasible to call in the National Guard.

00:22:13.000 That's what's crazy.

00:22:14.000 It's like their law enforcement has been so handcuffed by the administrations, especially in northwestern United States.

00:22:22.000 Like everybody, they don't get enough sun.

00:22:24.000 They lost their fucking mind.

00:22:25.000 Everyone's depressed and everyone's trans. 1.00

00:22:27.000 It's crazy up there.

00:22:29.000 It's crazy.

00:22:29.000 I was just in Portland.

00:22:30.000 I was in Portland just before the National Guard went in and I was in Portland.

00:22:34.000 How insane.

00:22:34.000 It's so much.

00:22:36.000 You can walk around a little bit.

00:22:37.000 Oh, the National Guard.

00:22:38.000 I will say.

00:22:39.000 I know people were very upset in Portland about that, but I think just quietly they were going.

00:22:43.000 That's kind of nice.

00:22:44.000 Well, how about the mayor?

00:22:46.000 The mayor in D.C. thanked Trump.

00:22:48.000 Yeah.

00:22:48.000 She's like, this is like the safest it's ever been here since you brought in the National Guard.

00:22:53.000 But the problem is that sets a fucking precedent.

00:22:56.000 So here's the thing.

00:22:57.000 If it's necessary, let's say you have a place that's a literal, not even a real place, a fictional place in America where there's a literal gang war going on and dozens of people are getting shot every day and it's basically a war zone.

00:23:11.000 Let's just imagine a place like that.

00:23:13.000 You would say, okay, it's probably a good idea to bring in the military and control that because the entire population is at risk.

00:23:21.000 It's very dangerous.

00:23:22.000 It's a literal war zone in the middle of a modern American city.

00:23:26.000 We have to stop that.

00:23:27.000 Well, the thing is, if you say, okay, people are lighting newspaper stands on fire.

00:23:33.000 People are doing this.

00:23:34.000 People are breaking into Starbucks.

00:23:36.000 Let's bring in the military. 0.61

00:23:37.000 People aren't obeying the speech laws.

00:23:40.000 Let's bring in the military. 0.61

00:23:41.000 People are not using their digital ID.

00:23:44.000 Let's bring in the military. 0.61

00:23:45.000 It's like there's got to be a separation between our army and our civilians.

00:23:50.000 And it has to be a big fucking reason to break that separation.

00:23:54.000 I think.

00:23:55.000 I mean, you did it in the 60s in the South when business came.

00:23:59.000 What do they mean?

00:24:00.000 I was like, yo, the United States, when Jim Crow was happening in the South, the military got sent in.

00:24:09.000 You desegregated the South by force. 0.73

00:24:11.000 Right.

00:24:11.000 So that was deemed to be like an appropriate use of a monopoly on violence to enact a social change.

00:24:19.000 Like, you're not going to have segregated schools anymore.

00:24:21.000 We're going to have the military there and make sure that this works out.

00:24:24.000 Crazy have to bring in that, the military, to get people to allow black people and white people to go to school together. 0.58

00:24:29.000 I mean, yeah, they didn't want to.

00:24:32.000 It's just so weird when I go to the South now because everyone is so friendly and people do seem to get along.

00:24:37.000 And you go.

00:24:38.000 Your grandparents were like.

00:24:42.000 Bro, they had to rip the ball.

00:24:43.000 Doing the craziest stuff.

00:24:45.000 Terrible.

00:24:45.000 I mean, the Emmett Till, I just found out about that after I got here.

00:24:48.000 It's unbelievable.

00:24:50.000 And they were still shooting the Emmett Till statue that they put up.

00:24:53.000 They had to replace it with a bronze statue so the bullet holes wouldn't affect it.

00:24:57.000 Really?

00:24:58.000 That's what was going on?

00:24:59.000 I believe that was what was happening until I quieted it.

00:25:00.000 I'm sure it wasn't just one KKK dude that really wasn't.

00:25:03.000 It may have been a white dude.

00:25:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:05.000 That's the problem.

00:25:05.000 You get one wacky guy in a neighborhood and you're like, that's a racist neighborhood.

00:25:08.000 They were shooting the Emmett Till statue.

00:25:10.000 Maybe it's one asshole working in the entire shop.

00:25:13.000 One fucking dude smelling his own farts and loading up his rifle.

00:25:17.000 That one Arkansas MMA fighter who kept saying that he loved Hitler.

00:25:22.000 Did a lot to hurt the reputation of that football team.

00:25:25.000 Because he always had the Razorbacks in the back. 0.82

00:25:27.000 Yeah, that wasn't.

00:25:29.000 I think he did not phrase that well.

00:25:34.000 I think there's a lot of people.

00:25:35.000 There's a lot of people that become experts, and I'm guilty of this as well.

00:25:35.000 Here's the thing.

00:25:41.000 You're talking about something where you maybe watched a YouTube video.

00:25:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:48.000 Like maybe you read an article about it in some fucking politico.

00:25:53.000 Who knows?

00:25:53.000 Who knows where you read it?

00:25:55.000 It could be some crazy right-wing source.

00:25:57.000 You read something, you took it as fact.

00:25:59.000 And then you talk to a bunch of other people that also take it as fact.

00:26:02.000 And next thing you know, you start talking and you're still saying shit.

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:08.000 That's me.

00:26:09.000 Okay, but people always criticize that.

00:26:11.000 People always have a go at the podcasters for like spouting off on things that they're not.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, but that is what I do.

00:26:16.000 But how come there's no responsibility on the mainstream legacy media for having gotten really, really boring over the last 15, 20 years?

00:26:24.000 Boring is lying as well.

00:26:26.000 Compromised.

00:26:27.000 Completely compromised, totally untrustworthy, completely compromised.

00:26:30.000 I just got the New York Times app because I thought, I'll have a look at that.

00:26:33.000 I finally got enough money where I can pay a dollar a week to be on the New York Times app.

00:26:37.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 And it's so, I mean, it's just they've built Twitter.

00:26:43.000 Like the experience of it and the scrolling on it, it feels like you're in Twitter, but only mediated through selected journalists from the New York Times.

00:26:52.000 And suddenly you're like, I'm just stepping into for a moment whatever bubble that is.

00:26:57.000 I wanted to take a look at it.

00:26:58.000 Well, it's it's like I think they're all going to have to course correct.

00:27:02.000 I think they're all going to have to realize that it's not it's not being intellectual, like a true intellectual, a true progressive by only looking at things from one perspective and to automatically assume that anybody that has a different perspective.

00:27:19.000 Okay, we're back.

00:27:20.000 Where was I?

00:27:20.000 There we go.

00:27:22.000 So they need to have a course correction.

00:27:24.000 We're talking about the mainstream media and that they've lost that many people.

00:27:28.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:27:28.000 Was that you can't proclaim yourself to be intellectual by only listening to one perspective and to being like very aggressive and hostile about the other perspective.

00:27:40.000 Immediate ad hominems, immediate attacks on, you know, lumping everyone in together, associated, like we were talking about earlier, associating ancient history with racism.

00:27:53.000 Like, you're doing that.

00:27:54.000 It's a little trick you're doing.

00:27:55.000 You're not having a real conversation.

00:27:56.000 You're being a bitch. 1.00

00:27:58.000 And this kind of communication sucks.

00:28:00.000 It sucks for the left.

00:28:02.000 It sucks for the right.

00:28:03.000 When people on the right, it sucks for it's a bad human communication skill.

00:28:09.000 If you were good at it, you would want other people to have different opinions and you'd want to hear those opinions and talk to those people.

00:28:17.000 I think they're trying to course correct.

00:28:18.000 This is what's weird to watch.

00:28:20.000 And it's who they're.

00:28:21.000 I don't want to.

00:28:22.000 They love Schultz at the New York Times.

00:28:25.000 They've picked him.

00:28:25.000 Well, he goes over there.

00:28:26.000 Yes, they've picked him up.

00:28:27.000 But he goes in there and talks about them.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 Well, he's very smart.

00:28:30.000 He's smart.

00:28:30.000 They want him.

00:28:31.000 Sure.

00:28:31.000 And he's another guy who's very smart and very fun.

00:28:35.000 So they want these people because they've been kind of locked out of the fun.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 Well, they also, they just pretended that it didn't exist.

00:28:43.000 Do you see Schultz talk to them, though?

00:28:45.000 I had talks on the roundtable.

00:28:47.000 Yeah.

00:28:47.000 It was great.

00:28:47.000 It's hilarious because they're talking in these bullshit terms.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 And he's like, hold on.

00:28:54.000 You know, let's just talk real here.

00:28:56.000 He goes, the Jews. 1.00

00:28:59.000 And everybody laughs because he can.

00:29:01.000 Because he's a comedian.

00:29:02.000 He's allowed to be funny.

00:29:03.000 Yeah.

00:29:04.000 And there's another one that he did with another guy.

00:29:07.000 I forget from what other mainstream media publication.

00:29:09.000 It was the same sort of situation.

00:29:12.000 And to have it that way, where it's a one-on-one conversation, then you get to see the weird way that they actually think and communicate.

00:29:19.000 The bubble.

00:29:20.000 Like when Tim Dylan was on the show.

00:29:21.000 The CNN one.

00:29:22.000 I was going to say it's one of my ring.

00:29:23.000 It's amazing.

00:29:24.000 Because she kept asking this.

00:29:25.000 She didn't want it.

00:29:26.000 They resisted releasing that as a long-form thing.

00:29:30.000 Yes.

00:29:30.000 And you can see why, because she's asking the same question three or four times in a row to try and bait something, which is not how a conversation works.

00:29:36.000 We pressured them into putting the whole thing out.

00:29:38.000 She keeps going, come on.

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:41.000 Just to get him, because he's a fun guy and he wants to say something funny.

00:29:44.000 And she's like baiting him to say something exaggerated.

00:29:47.000 Yeah, Jon Stewart had the best response to this whole thing.

00:29:51.000 He was talking to some guy from the New Yorker and they were talking about this podcast.

00:29:55.000 And he's like, you know, they were talking about different opinions and different people that I've talked to.

00:30:01.000 And he's like, but Joe Rogan has the biggest audience in the world.

00:30:04.000 He has a bigger audience.

00:30:05.000 He's like, well, go get a big audience.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 Go get it.

00:30:10.000 It's not like they don't have the finances.

00:30:11.000 You just go figure it out, do it right, and you'll get a big audience.

00:30:15.000 Like, it's not that fucking complicated.

00:30:18.000 I don't have pyrotechnics.

00:30:19.000 There's no CGI.

00:30:20.000 There's not even a crew.

00:30:22.000 There's a skeleton crew of people who do this.

00:30:25.000 But I think some of it is the ivory tower mentality of if it becomes like that they think there is a there is a sense in people who have got like a very big education and have gone through the whatever system you have to jump through to get to an elite legacy thing is that most people are too stupid to to have like an open and honest conversation with right and that if stupid people like you then that's a problem Them.

00:30:52.000 That's how they're viewing the world, and that there's like well, there's all they're also doing in the world in that they're protecting people from opinions they don't agree with.

00:31:01.000 Even though they listen to those opinions, it has no effect on their position.

00:31:04.000 They took the same position.

00:31:05.000 But they're worried that people dumber than them.

00:31:08.000 It's a very condescending thought process.

00:31:10.000 To think that you're the only open-minded person.

00:31:12.000 Not only that, and people that are dumber, is that which is most people, you're going to fall into the trap of what this person's saying that I don't agree with.

00:31:20.000 And this, yes.

00:31:21.000 And that if you, and that the only way to get people to listen to you is to like spin lies.

00:31:21.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 Like, you can't just be honest.

00:31:26.000 Exactly.

00:31:27.000 Which is what I think the podcasting thing is.

00:31:29.000 It's what it is.

00:31:30.000 It's a long, it's, you can't really put on a facade for three hours talking to somebody.

00:31:34.000 Maybe again.

00:31:37.000 I think that might be who he is at this point.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, he is definitely that.

00:31:39.000 Well, that's why I wanted to do a podcast with him.

00:31:41.000 So you could say three hours.

00:31:43.000 By the way, no questions beforehand, no prep, didn't pee, sat there for three hours.

00:31:48.000 He's almost 80.

00:31:49.000 Like, if he was wearing a diaper, respect.

00:31:51.000 But the guy just fucking hung out for three hours.

00:31:55.000 Does that mean I agree with everything he does?

00:31:57.000 Fuck no.

00:31:58.000 Of course not.

00:31:59.000 But he was able to be himself for three.

00:32:01.000 He was able to talk for three hours.

00:32:02.000 Whereas Kamala wouldn't do it. 1.00

00:32:04.000 Well, she could have.

00:32:05.000 She could have done it.

00:32:06.000 I'm telling you, man.

00:32:07.000 I would have been fine.

00:32:09.000 Six minutes on Stephen Colbert, and I don't think that's it.

00:32:11.000 It's different.

00:32:12.000 It's different.

00:32:13.000 He's kind of being like an interviewer, right?

00:32:16.000 He's in this weird position where he's at a desk.

00:32:18.000 The desk is beside you for some reason because that's how they always used to do it.

00:32:22.000 So these fucking uncreative people just do it the exact same way, always.

00:32:26.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:32:27.000 Is he writing?

00:32:27.000 Why does he have a desk?

00:32:29.000 What does he have?

00:32:29.000 Does he have pens in the drawer?

00:32:31.000 Like, what are we doing here?

00:32:32.000 Like, why am I on a couch over here?

00:32:34.000 Why am I sitting down to the right of you?

00:32:36.000 It's weird.

00:32:37.000 It's always in the same position.

00:32:38.000 Host is always to the right.

00:32:40.000 They're always to the left of the screen.

00:32:42.000 It's goofy, right?

00:32:43.000 So he's doing this thing that you only do on television in front of an audience, by the way.

00:32:47.000 You should never have a conversation in front of an audience.

00:32:49.000 Because as soon as you do, the people are aware of the audience.

00:32:52.000 You're aware of how people think and feel, and you're playing to them.

00:32:55.000 And some people say things to try to get a rise out of you in front of the audience.

00:33:00.000 If you want to do that, it's a different thing.

00:33:02.000 But if you're going to have like a really important conversation with someone, you don't want to do it in a fucking audience.

00:33:07.000 So Stephen, the way he's doing it is handicapped from the jump. 1.00

00:33:10.000 Also, you only have seven minutes before you have to cut for commercial or whatever it is.

00:33:14.000 You can't do that.

00:33:17.000 It'll take me seven minutes to ask what she likes to cook.

00:33:21.000 I want to know what she, who she, I don't know.

00:33:23.000 I want to know, is there anything that she regrets doing?

00:33:27.000 What does she learn from this time?

00:33:29.000 Is it more complicated being a vice president than you thought it was going to be?

00:33:32.000 Like, what is the web of trying to fix things and change things versus the people that are influencing you to make decisions?

00:33:39.000 Because we're not pretending that people don't spend a lot of money to influence your decisions.

00:33:43.000 So how much of an effect does it have?

00:33:46.000 What do you actually believe when they come to you asking for those favors?

00:33:49.000 What would be better?

00:33:50.000 Could we take money out of politics?

00:33:52.000 Would you be willing?

00:33:54.000 What would we do if we completely eliminated corporate funding of any politicians? 0.97

00:33:59.000 How would that change everything?

00:34:00.000 Those are the kind of questions we could have like, we could have talked for hours about this.

00:34:04.000 But she doesn't want to do that.

00:34:05.000 And the people around her, this is what I mean.

00:34:07.000 There's like, there's something that has, the right used to have this as well.

00:34:10.000 And both sides of politics had it.

00:34:12.000 And I remember there was like Howard Dean, I think it was, did a weird screen.

00:34:17.000 And the whole thing fell apart.

00:34:18.000 And that really stayed with me.

00:34:19.000 That I remember watching politics and there was some sense of like everything is very manufactured.

00:34:25.000 And if you make a single mistake, oh my God, you're going to lose the primary.

00:34:28.000 It's all over.

00:34:29.000 And Trump destroyed that with the Republicans, where it all became very, we've just got to like hang out and talk.

00:34:34.000 And everyone got very loosey-goosey on the right.

00:34:37.000 And the Democrats have not adjusted to that and had their like Bernie could do it.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 They just froze Bernie out and they did everything they could to stop him coming through.

00:34:45.000 Right.

00:34:45.000 Like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:34:47.000 You could not have a person like that before Trump.

00:34:51.000 There's no way.

00:34:52.000 There's no way.

00:34:54.000 I mean, you can't have her with.

00:34:56.000 She's gone.

00:34:56.000 She's gone now.

00:34:57.000 She's gone.

00:34:58.000 But she wouldn't have existed without him.

00:35:00.000 Like that sort of brash, crazy personality.

00:35:02.000 That had not existed in a congressperson.

00:35:05.000 And there will be someone on the left who can do that.

00:35:07.000 Jasmine Crockett.

00:35:09.000 She's doing that.

00:35:10.000 Man, maybe.

00:35:11.000 She gets aggressive.

00:35:12.000 She does.

00:35:13.000 She's loud and they get crazy.

00:35:15.000 Listen, it's a reality show.

00:35:17.000 I know people don't like her.

00:35:18.000 I think she's hip.

00:35:19.000 She would maybe come on the show. 0.62

00:35:21.000 Have you invited her to come on the show?

00:35:21.000 Okay.

00:35:23.000 No.

00:35:25.000 Listen, she's not.

00:35:25.000 She's too scared to have me out on the show.

00:35:28.000 I think a lot of the people who are really very nice people.

00:35:32.000 Very nice people.

00:35:33.000 And this is not an attack on any individuals.

00:35:38.000 I think that system turns you into a sociopath.

00:35:41.000 That's what I think.

00:35:43.000 And I think there's very few people, Tulsi Gabbard, my friend being one of them.

00:35:47.000 She's amazing.

00:35:47.000 I love her.

00:35:48.000 She's a real person.

00:35:50.000 Like, that lady is the same person on air, off-air, meeting people, hanging out with her husband.

00:35:55.000 I've hung out with her hours and hours and hours.

00:35:57.000 That's who she is.

00:35:58.000 She's cool as fuck.

00:36:00.000 And she was a congressperson, but she has horror stories. 0.98

00:36:05.000 When she tells you what it's like on the inside, when you find out how these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars on $170,000 a year salary and no one's batting an eye, that is kind of kooky.

00:36:20.000 It's kind of kooky because even ones you wouldn't suspect, like, wait a minute, they're worth how much?

00:36:25.000 Now, you don't really know how much they're worth, right?

00:36:30.000 You'd have to get an audit, right?

00:36:32.000 Because what you're hearing is a reporting of what they're worth.

00:36:35.000 And it could be total propaganda.

00:36:37.000 It could be half of what it is.

00:36:38.000 But even if it's millions, even if it's a couple million, if you've been a congressperson for two years and now all of a sudden you're worth $3 million and you were in debt before you became a congressperson, that's suspicious.

00:36:53.000 And if you look at the fucking the people that invest money, that's where it gets really crazy because it is not a blue thing and it's not a red thing.

00:37:02.000 It's both.

00:37:03.000 Everybody is making money on the stock market.

00:37:05.000 There's a shitload of these people that are buying a bunch of stock and then conveniently, a short time later, a bill gets passed that they were working on that makes it very profitable for that country.

00:37:18.000 Stock shoots through the roof.

00:37:20.000 They make a giant windfall.

00:37:22.000 I'm trying to remember who said it.

00:37:23.000 There was some line that someone said about like, you can sort of believe what you want in American politics and you'll get rich for it.

00:37:30.000 Like no matter what you actually believe, there's a group out there who are going to get you rich for having a belief in it.

00:37:37.000 If it's the environmental people, if it's the fossil fuel people.

00:37:40.000 Right.

00:37:41.000 I mean, there would be varying scales of it.

00:37:42.000 But also, you can fix this.

00:37:44.000 Like, there are ways to fix the money in politics.

00:37:47.000 I've been reading a lot about Lee Kuan Yew.

00:37:49.000 Who's that?

00:37:50.000 He was sort of the dictator of Singapore.

00:37:53.000 They might not like that.

00:37:56.000 Don't go there.

00:37:57.000 He won elections.

00:37:58.000 But Singapore is like a single party state.

00:38:00.000 Oh, so it's like when Putin wins.

00:38:03.000 I don't want to get in trouble with the people of Singapore.

00:38:05.000 Listen, just.

00:38:06.000 But it is notable that one party wins every single time and they don't primary and they win almost all the seats.

00:38:12.000 And they are really popular.

00:38:13.000 But he brought in like canings and he got drugs out of the country and he started paying the politicians a lot.

00:38:19.000 Like if you're a politician in Singapore, you get a huge salary, but you are not to ever be corrupt.

00:38:25.000 Like you're meant to have enough money that they can't really buy you.

00:38:29.000 And that might be the only way.

00:38:32.000 Because if you have, you know, what are they earning?

00:38:33.000 $170,000 something dollars a year to be a congressperson.

00:38:37.000 If they are making $3 million a year and the punishment for taking money from anybody else or from getting a stock, you know, maybe you can't own stocks, but we give you $3 million a year.

00:38:46.000 Right.

00:38:47.000 Then at least you can't be swayed.

00:38:50.000 Like you're taking a lot of tax money to do the job, but at least there's some insulation on someone being able to go, I want you to vote this way.

00:38:56.000 I think if you have a totalitarian dictatorship, you could probably pull that off because if the politician is bad, you can shoot him.

00:39:02.000 Yes.

00:39:03.000 The problem in America, if you have $3 million and you know a guy who's got $50 million, you feel poor because we're retarded.

00:39:10.000 All right.

00:39:11.000 Brian Callan has a friend who's worth, I think he's worth $8 billion.

00:39:15.000 And he feels broke because his friend is worth $30.

00:39:21.000 No, no, no, for real.

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:22.000 There's people that get that goofy.

00:39:25.000 I've seen it a couple times.

00:39:26.000 So if you're in the business of trying to make money, which is what most politicians are, it's like they decided not to go into sales.

00:39:32.000 They go into politics.

00:39:33.000 They're trying to make as much money as they can while they're there.

00:39:35.000 That's what most people are doing with most jobs.

00:39:37.000 If you're doing that and you're just kind of a person who's drawn to that kind of a job, you're not going to be happy with your salary if you find out that there's some NGO that you can invest in and you can start a non-profit and then it becomes a profit and you can funnel money overseas and then corporations that you buy into also can use the you know the laws that you're passing.

00:40:05.000 You're going to do it anyway.

00:40:06.000 They're going to do it anyway.

00:40:07.000 This is why Plato says not, I cannot be corrupted.

00:40:11.000 You'd have to kill them.

00:40:13.000 If you catch them corrupt, you got to shoot them in front of everybody.

00:40:17.000 You're going to say, this is what happens when you steal from America.

00:40:19.000 Boom.

00:40:20.000 I'm not saying you should do that, but I'm saying that's the only way you're going to stop it.

00:40:23.000 It would have to be a totalitarian dictatorship.

00:40:25.000 But then it brings us back to the thing about using the military in the cities.

00:40:28.000 When do you draw the line?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 When do you draw the line?

00:40:31.000 Like when, like, okay, what's hate speech, right?

00:40:34.000 So hate speech can mean a bunch of different things to different people.

00:40:37.000 So as soon as you say we can't permit hate speech, okay, well, then you can't permit freedom of speech because you're just defining hate by whatever.

00:40:45.000 That's the same line when you bring the military into those cities.

00:40:49.000 It's the same line.

00:40:51.000 It's like you're doing something you shouldn't be able to do and you're justifying doing it saying because this is a special case.

00:40:58.000 But the problem is, what if that gets solved?

00:41:01.000 You're going to move further to the even more ridiculous.

00:41:04.000 You've already got me to allow you to arrest.

00:41:07.000 You can arrest me for tweeting things.

00:41:09.000 Okay.

00:41:09.000 I've already said yes to that.

00:41:11.000 So what else is next?

00:41:12.000 Like, you're going to keep going.

00:41:14.000 If you make money, you want to make more money.

00:41:17.000 If you pass laws, you want to want to pass more laws.

00:41:20.000 That's how you get numbers on the board.

00:41:22.000 That's how you win this fucking game.

00:41:24.000 You can't let them ever score.

00:41:25.000 Then you have to de-game the system.

00:41:28.000 term if you're going to have a democracy you have to have yeah you gotta de-game the system But the problem is there's so much profit in it.

00:41:35.000 And they get to vote on whether or not they can still do this insider trading thing, right?

00:41:41.000 Which is bananas.

00:41:42.000 Like, who thinks we should still steal?

00:41:44.000 Oh, can we have an anonymous vote?

00:41:49.000 You don't have this problem with an aristocracy.

00:41:51.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:41:52.000 When you finally go back to the powdered wigs, there's a terrible argument for that because you're just hoping that the person is a benevolent dictator.

00:42:01.000 That's the best case scenario.

00:42:03.000 You get a benevolent king.

00:42:05.000 But how many of those have ever existed?

00:42:07.000 We've had so many beautiful, benevolent kings.

00:42:10.000 We've got a benevolent king right now in my country.

00:42:15.000 It's strange, right?

00:42:17.000 It's like there's no right way to run people because no one really should be one.

00:42:23.000 There's never a time where it makes sense where one person is the head dude of 350 million people.

00:42:30.000 That is nuts.

00:42:32.000 That is completely nuts.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:35.000 But you also, I mean, as a country, you have a great tolerance, I think, compared to other Western democracies for letting there be some chaos.

00:42:43.000 Yeah, because we have guns.

00:42:45.000 That's part of it.

00:42:46.000 I think this is a heavily armed country.

00:42:50.000 Like if you didn't have the virtue of going, some people are going to get shot and we're going to be okay with that.

00:42:55.000 Well, it's not just that.

00:42:56.000 It's like, you know, it was written into the Constitution because we were rebelling, right?

00:43:02.000 We were rebelling from a dictatorship.

00:43:04.000 We had escaped.

00:43:05.000 And when we had declared that this was a country, we were like, we got to stay strapped because these motherfuckers might come back.

00:43:12.000 And we all agreed to that.

00:43:14.000 And then it got to a point where people go, okay, but they were talking about muskets.

00:43:18.000 Now people have AR-15s.

00:43:20.000 Now people have switches they could put on Glocks and it can fire automatic.

00:43:25.000 Is it tactical nuclear weapon defended under the Second Amendment?

00:43:29.000 You want to hear the scariest thing that I heard?

00:43:31.000 This was a guy that was talking about the UAP program and the back engineering of flying saucers.

00:43:38.000 What do they call it?

00:43:39.000 A simultaneous or a spontaneous, what was the word that he used for it?

00:43:43.000 Instantaneous.

00:43:44.000 Instantaneous.

00:43:46.000 That these UFOs that they believe use some sort of a gravity, some sort of a propulsion system that's unknown to modern science, standard conventional science.

00:43:58.000 And they can transport, literally transport, like going from place to place in space instantaneously.

00:44:04.000 And so what did the United States government try to do?

00:44:07.000 They tried to use it as a method of delivering a nuclear bomb.

00:44:11.000 So an instantaneous nuclear payload delivery system.

00:44:15.000 That's what they were calling flying saucers.

00:44:17.000 The first thing they thought about doing with them was instantaneously deliver a nuke.

00:44:22.000 So no one could retaliate and they didn't even see it coming.

00:44:26.000 You would just have a flying saucer with a nuke appear at the Kremlin.

00:44:33.000 What's weird, though, you guys had that capability for years.

00:44:37.000 Allegedly.

00:44:38.000 No, I mean, when a bomb?

00:44:39.000 I mean, when no one else had the nuclear bomb and when we didn't have good anti-air programs and just America alone had nuclear weapons.

00:44:47.000 Yeah.

00:44:48.000 You could have at that point we're in charge of the world now or everyone's dead.

00:44:52.000 Well, there was a bunch of people that did.

00:44:53.000 I mean, that's what Dr. Strangelove is all about, right?

00:44:55.000 You made movies about it and you talked about it, but you didn't do it when the Suez crisis kicked off.

00:44:59.000 I think Eisenhower was like, can we get a nuke in there?

00:45:01.000 And people said, no, Mr. President.

00:45:03.000 Bro, they came real close to nuking things three or four times.

00:45:06.000 What a beautiful thing that you held back.

00:45:09.000 Yes.

00:45:10.000 No one else would have.

00:45:11.000 I talk about this.

00:45:12.000 I think about this a lot.

00:45:13.000 That if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon, that's it.

00:45:16.000 You'd have global hegemony by one power.

00:45:19.000 Well, I think that is one thing about America that most people will agree to is that we like to think of ourselves as being the best country in America.

00:45:29.000 And that comes with responsibility.

00:45:32.000 Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility.

00:45:34.000 That's why people get real uncomfortable about like drone bombing statistics and shit like that.

00:45:39.000 They get real uncomfortable because it makes you really question like what we do.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 When you tell people, did you know that like more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings are civilians?

00:45:51.000 Accidental kills.

00:45:52.000 Listen, every time someone tries to be nice about Obama, then they have to go.

00:45:55.000 We're the drone bombings.

00:45:56.000 He did bomb a lot of innocent people.

00:45:58.000 I know.

00:45:59.000 They always have to do that.

00:46:00.000 You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama, most likely what you find out through anybody that gets through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately co-opt you into the system.

00:46:10.000 You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there.

00:46:12.000 You were a senator for two years.

00:46:14.000 And then all of a sudden you're a president.

00:46:15.000 You had some amazing ideas and you're a great spokesperson and probably the best statesman we've ever had.

00:46:20.000 Like the best representative of the best about America.

00:46:23.000 A guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor, didn't, you know, didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth.

00:46:30.000 Forget about all the narratives of him being related somehow to the bushes.

00:46:34.000 There's a lot of that.

00:46:35.000 I didn't know that.

00:46:36.000 Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory.

00:46:37.000 But the point is that what you got is a guy who was promoting hope and change, right?

00:46:44.000 And that's what we were all really hoping was going to happen, but not.

00:46:47.000 It was really kind of like another Bush term in terms of like foreign policy, in terms of a lot of things.

00:46:52.000 In terms of like the way America felt about America, though, it was good. 0.58

00:46:56.000 It was like, hey, racism has obviously stopped being an issue to get you to be the president of the United States because a black man just wants. 1.00

00:47:05.000 And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist, but we're doing better than we used to do.

00:47:09.000 This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. was making his I Have a Dream speech, but it is possible now.

00:47:14.000 So we have progressed.

00:47:16.000 And he's brilliant.

00:47:17.000 So it's per and he's and he's like well measured and calm and peaceful and he never calls reporters piggy.

00:47:25.000 He never makes mean tweets when his enemies die.

00:47:29.000 You know, like, so it's a representative.

00:47:32.000 It's gotten to the point where the Rob Reiner tweet just went over.

00:47:35.000 It just like killed it for a lot of people.

00:47:37.000 Yeah.

00:47:37.000 Is that it?

00:47:38.000 But like, no, I mean, I saw it and I was like, oh, yeah, of course.

00:47:40.000 He's mocking a dead man.

00:47:42.000 Well, that guy tried to jail him for, you know, years.

00:47:45.000 And this is not forgiving him for that.

00:47:47.000 This is not a good idea.

00:47:48.000 Rob Reiner tried to jail.

00:47:49.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:50.000 There's a video of him working with intelligence agents.

00:47:53.000 He was working with James Clapper and who's the other guy?

00:47:57.000 Clapper and why?

00:48:00.000 How come I can't remember that?

00:48:05.000 I still think it's a good idea.

00:48:06.000 But this is like a well-produced just with McCain as well.

00:48:10.000 I remember that they hated each other.

00:48:13.000 I know, 100%.

00:48:14.000 It's a gross thing to mock a man after he's dead.

00:48:14.000 It's gross.

00:48:17.000 It's just pointless.

00:48:18.000 But the real problem is it's a bad look for America in general, right?

00:48:24.000 It's a mark of cruelty that ultimately could lead people to think differently about America and perhaps motivate attacks.

00:48:31.000 That's a real thing.

00:48:32.000 Like a kooky person, you can sway them either way by the vibe the country's giving off.

00:48:39.000 And the president is giving off a vibe that, you know, his enemy, he's mocking the fact that his, you know, his enemy was obsessed with him.

00:48:47.000 And that's what led to his son going crazy and killing him.

00:48:51.000 I've had friends come over and visit me, and almost all of them have been scared to come.

00:48:54.000 Like people who haven't been to America before. 1.00

00:48:56.000 They're scared to come to America?

00:48:57.000 People are very scared to come to America.

00:48:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:01.000 No, in Honduras.

00:49:01.000 What is it like?

00:49:02.000 This is just Australians who are like, there's gun violence. 1.00

00:49:05.000 It looks, if you just, if all you're seeing is the news, you go, well, civil wars right around the corner.

00:49:11.000 Well, that's what they want us.

00:49:12.000 That's what they want us.

00:49:12.000 And it's like.

00:49:13.000 People are way more interested in college football than killing each other in the street.

00:49:16.000 Especially in Texas.

00:49:19.000 Most people are way more interested in living their lives.

00:49:21.000 The problem is when your life becomes that.

00:49:24.000 The problem is when your life becomes a cause.

00:49:26.000 When your life, whether it's a religious cause, you know, a jihadist cause, a right-wing cause, a left-wing cause, your life becomes a fucking cause.

00:49:34.000 You know, we have to stop oil now.

00:49:37.000 And you're gluing your fucking hand to a painting.

00:49:39.000 You know, there's a lot of nutty, stupid shit that goes on with just being a human being.

00:49:44.000 I think it's all accelerated on social media.

00:49:46.000 But I find it heartening that people give a shit here.

00:49:49.000 That people know on some level.

00:49:49.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 Maybe they don't have like a good grasp of what's actually happening in the world.

00:49:55.000 But there's a sense in America that people kind of know who their politicians are.

00:49:58.000 They're across what the issues that they're being asked to vote on.

00:50:02.000 Ah, and this, like, in Australia, the extent to which people have no idea what is going on and are so checked out and don't know any of it and are not like actively participating in democracy.

00:50:13.000 You guys really care.

00:50:14.000 Like people primary and they scrutinize people and they, there's some belief that you can still get involved in politics here.

00:50:21.000 I really, it's like the most heartening thing about it.

00:50:24.000 And that's the downside is if everybody cares, then you do get people going off the deep end.

00:50:24.000 That's awesome.

00:50:29.000 Well, you just got to keep it a fair game.

00:50:32.000 And as long as you keep it a fair game, if you don't do a good job and that person gets into power, you fucked up.

00:50:38.000 So now your team has to regroup and rebuild and come back again in four years.

00:50:43.000 And that's what it's supposed to be.

00:50:44.000 But when you start trying to do things like moving all the illegals to specific states so that you get more congressional seats because of the census, and then you start giving them social security numbers and Medicaid and Medicare, and you start rigging the system because you want to bring in more voters and you're spending.

00:51:02.000 And this is what they did.

00:51:03.000 This is undeniable at this point.

00:51:05.000 Finneman was copped to it.

00:51:06.000 He was like, yeah, I saw him on the.

00:51:09.000 It's undeniable what they did.

00:51:11.000 And I get it.

00:51:11.000 Like, you're playing a dirty game.

00:51:13.000 They're playing a dirty game.

00:51:14.000 And this is not a right or left thing.

00:51:16.000 I remember that hacking democracy documentary that was on HBO back in the day.

00:51:21.000 It was during the Bush administration.

00:51:23.000 And this hacking democracy, they had tested these voting machines.

00:51:27.000 And this is a long time ago, right?

00:51:29.000 So this is like, what was it like?

00:51:31.000 2004, Jamie?

00:51:32.000 What was that?

00:51:34.000 Somewhere around then.

00:51:35.000 So this was a much less sophisticated system that I'm sure that they're using today.

00:51:41.000 But there was a third-party input.

00:51:43.000 For some reason, it had been set up so a third party can input data into the machine and change the votes.

00:51:50.000 And they did it on TV.

00:51:52.000 They did it on TV.

00:51:53.000 They showed that they could do it easily.

00:51:56.000 And they affected the votes.

00:51:58.000 So they showed back then, they were essentially saying that the Bush administration had rigged the vote, and that's how they got Bush into office.

00:52:05.000 And this company that made these machines was a big contributor to the Republican Party.

00:52:09.000 So this shit has been going on on both sides.

00:52:10.000 But that was true.

00:52:11.000 I mean, in 2000, that was true.

00:52:14.000 Everybody thinks the JFK election.

00:52:15.000 The film investigates, oh, for sure, the JFK election, the flawed integrity of the electronic voting voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold election systems, exposing previously unknown backdoors in the Diebold trade secret computer software.

00:52:29.000 The film culminates dramatically in the on-camera hacking of the in-use working Diebold election system in Lyon County, Florida, the same computer voting system which has been used in actual American elections across 33 states and which still counts tens of millions of American votes today.

00:52:45.000 Whoa, today?

00:52:47.000 Is that real?

00:52:49.000 The same fucking machines?

00:52:52.000 When did this article come out?

00:52:53.000 This is Wikipedia.

00:52:54.000 It's usually up there.

00:52:54.000 I don't know.

00:52:55.000 Bro, that's crazy if they're still using the same machines.

00:52:58.000 That's crazy.

00:52:59.000 But that was a thing during Georgia, right?

00:53:01.000 They were supposed to upgrade their machines, but they decided to wait until after the election to do it.

00:53:05.000 Why is there no pressure to make the elections feel more real?

00:53:08.000 I think because they're both rigging it.

00:53:11.000 Right, but this is both rigging it.

00:53:12.000 I don't think they just want to win, man, and then call everybody conspiracy theorists.

00:53:17.000 Both sides, by the way.

00:53:19.000 This is not one side or the other.

00:53:20.000 I think both sides are trying to do whatever the fuck they can.

00:53:23.000 I don't think both sides are rigging it.

00:53:25.000 Okay, it's not been used in business in the U.S. since 2009.

00:53:28.000 Well, this is about the Bush administration, the Diebold things.

00:53:31.000 And what you're hearing about mail-in ballots, that's about the left.

00:53:35.000 It's like you're getting the same thing on both sides.

00:53:38.000 One of the things that Rep Luna said when she was on the podcast, I thought was fascinating.

00:53:41.000 She's like, there's certain problems that they don't want to fix because they can campaign finance against it.

00:53:46.000 They can get people to donate money against it.

00:53:50.000 They could run on that platform.

00:53:51.000 We're going to fix this.

00:53:53.000 They don't want to fix it because that's how they get money.

00:53:55.000 Like if you're in your homelessness organization, you actually need the homeless so you can keep existing.

00:53:55.000 Right.

00:54:01.000 Not only that, it's even worse.

00:54:02.000 They're incentivized to have more homeless.

00:54:04.000 They get paid per homeless.

00:54:08.000 So if they have more homeless people, they can say, hey, we need a bigger budget.

00:54:11.000 We have more homeless people.

00:54:12.000 I remember when we had the unemployed in Australia, it was like we had these companies that would, it was their job to get you a job and the government would pay the money.

00:54:19.000 But you got more money for finding someone a job if they've been unemployed for a longer period of time.

00:54:24.000 So it's like, don't try too hard to find them a job for the first two years.

00:54:27.000 Two years in, then get them a job.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, you're growing some plants.

00:54:31.000 You don't want to pick it so early.

00:54:32.000 Yeah, it's not.

00:54:34.000 I don't think the answer is just a good king who solves everybody's problems.

00:54:39.000 But I really do.

00:54:40.000 You'd be a good king.

00:54:42.000 Go over to Australia and be king of Australia.

00:54:45.000 We've got enough problems.

00:54:46.000 You can fix it.

00:54:49.000 I've talked about getting our own king many.

00:54:51.000 I did a show about it once.

00:54:52.000 I think Aboriginal king would be.

00:54:58.000 Everybody wants the perfect system, and it's not going to ever exist.

00:55:03.000 And I don't think it ever will because I think there's always going to be, no matter what happens, no matter who's in charge and no matter who's doing this, there's always going to be people that oppose, no matter what, like naturally oppose, even if illogically, it's never going to be perfect.

00:55:17.000 But you got to make it the most fair.

00:55:20.000 It's got to be fair.

00:55:22.000 And as soon as you catch someone rigging the system, you got to, that has to be alarm bells that go off for everybody on every side.

00:55:30.000 It shouldn't be, if you find out that there was mail-in ballots that were illegal and that were fake and they were brought in so that the Republicans can win some sort of a primary.

00:55:38.000 If you found out that was true and you were a Republican, you're supposed to be upset.

00:55:43.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 Like this is you're someone is cheating this incredible system that we have and you're not going to have the will of the people.

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00:57:09.000 You've got to make it seem fair enough so that there's not a violent uprising.

00:57:13.000 It's got to be just for having a future of control.

00:57:15.000 It's got to be the will of the people.

00:57:17.000 It's got to be.

00:57:17.000 January 7th thing.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 No, but that was those people.

00:57:19.000 Most people go.

00:57:21.000 There were some people there who were definitely feds trying to bring them in the building.

00:57:25.000 Dude, I wonder how many were feds before that.

00:57:28.000 Here's the question: There's a bunch of people that were feds at the scene.

00:57:32.000 They finally had to admit that.

00:57:34.000 We were talking about the people who were.

00:57:36.000 Yeah.

00:57:36.000 That man's crazy.

00:57:37.000 Have you seen that guy?

00:57:38.000 It's crazy.

00:57:39.000 It's crazy.

00:57:39.000 There's a bunch of people that called people to go into the Capitol to break in.

00:57:44.000 And a bunch of them probably were feds.

00:57:47.000 But how many feds were on these chat groups?

00:57:51.000 How many feds were on message boards?

00:57:54.000 How many feds were instigating people to do things and talking about things that aren't true or saying things that they're planning?

00:58:01.000 How many feds were trying to get the kookiest of the kookie riled up? 1.00

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:06.000 But then also, like, why is the blame not on.

00:58:09.000 Why do the Democrats not go?

00:58:11.000 We've contributed to making a system that even if this is a totally legitimate group of people who really believe what they're doing by storing the capital, we've contributed to building a system that looks really fake to a lot of people.

00:58:22.000 Yeah.

00:58:23.000 Where we could take really easy steps to make it look less fake.

00:58:26.000 Like you could have.

00:58:27.000 I don't understand why voter ID isn't everywhere.

00:58:30.000 And they go, well, not everyone has an ID.

00:58:32.000 Well, it's racist.

00:58:33.000 It's racist.

00:58:33.000 Give them one.

00:58:34.000 What you're saying is racist.

00:58:36.000 How hard could it be to go check your white privilege?

00:58:40.000 You are a straight white male.

00:58:41.000 Why don't you just shut the fuck up? 0.99

00:58:43.000 All the other races can have a photograph taken of themselves just as easily on a little laminated car.

00:58:49.000 All those other races just a few years ago needed proof of vaccination.

00:58:52.000 So this is kooky.

00:58:53.000 It's completely kooky.

00:58:55.000 But then nothing is being done now to actually bring it in.

00:58:58.000 It's illegal to show your ID in California.

00:59:01.000 Where?

00:59:02.000 In the whole state of California.

00:59:02.000 In California.

00:59:03.000 You cannot show your ID when you vote.

00:59:06.000 If you want to?

00:59:07.000 You can't show it.

00:59:08.000 You can't wear it on a lanyard around your neck.

00:59:10.000 Nope.

00:59:10.000 They'll fire you.

00:59:11.000 They'll kick you out of there.

00:59:13.000 You can't vote now, sir.

00:59:15.000 I don't know what they would do if you came in with a lanyard.

00:59:17.000 That might be the move.

00:59:18.000 But the point is, they made it easier to cheat on purpose.

00:59:21.000 Like, that's the only reason why you would do that.

00:59:23.000 And to say, like, it's racist to require ID, how do I know who you are?

00:59:28.000 I don't know you.

00:59:29.000 There's a million people in this fucking town.

00:59:31.000 And this is like one polling station is lying around the block.

00:59:34.000 I don't know you.

00:59:35.000 I need your ID.

00:59:37.000 This is crazy.

00:59:38.000 There was a clip from the Obama election that I remember watching where they were talking to a guy.

00:59:42.000 He was like, they asked him, have you ever voted before?

00:59:44.000 He said, no.

00:59:44.000 Did you vote?

00:59:45.000 He goes, yeah, it felt so good.

00:59:46.000 I went back and did it again.

00:59:48.000 And then they cut off to somebody else.

00:59:50.000 I've always remembered that that felt.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, if you don't have ID, you could just change your clothes and go back in, especially if you're a nondescript.

00:59:59.000 I don't have an anti-Gavin Newsom bent, but I don't understand why he's the guy the damns are pushing.

01:00:05.000 He's from a state that everybody agrees is in huge disrepair.

01:00:09.000 He doesn't agree with that.

01:00:10.000 He thinks it's killing it.

01:00:11.000 They can't build a train.

01:00:12.000 No, no, no, it's great.

01:00:13.000 They've wasted billions of dollars trying to get a reasonably short distance covered with a train.

01:00:18.000 And he can't do it.

01:00:19.000 They're going to get it worked out.

01:00:20.000 He's going to be president and then he's going to fix it all.

01:00:22.000 The problem is Trump.

01:00:23.000 The reason why it's Trump.

01:00:25.000 Trump is the real reason why California's failed is Trump.

01:00:28.000 Once he gets into office, Trump will be out and he'll fix the whole country and say, guys, you got to trust me on the long plan.

01:00:36.000 People will buy into it.

01:00:37.000 The reason why is because there's no one else.

01:00:39.000 This is the reason.

01:00:40.000 There must be so many people.

01:00:42.000 There are so many people that are rational out.

01:00:45.000 So many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out.

01:00:47.000 And then other people don't want their laundry dug up.

01:00:49.000 They don't want fake stories told about them.

01:00:52.000 They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off to come up with crackpot theories of them being a satanic person or whatever, drug addict, abusive.

01:01:01.000 All right.

01:01:02.000 He did this.

01:01:03.000 Only people who should get like Bill Cosby as the candidate.

01:01:08.000 Or people of Bill Cosby level stature.

01:01:10.000 This is my new idea.

01:01:12.000 Okay.

01:01:13.000 Just someone who is so There's nothing to blackmail them with People already think this is one of the worst people.

01:01:19.000 R. Kelly for president.

01:01:21.000 You can't, everyone knows he had a dungeon with a lady in it. 1.00

01:01:25.000 Okay?

01:01:26.000 You can't blackmail R. Kelly at this point.

01:01:28.000 So whatever R. Kelly says he wants to do, he probably wants to do that.

01:01:31.000 His reputation can't get any lower.

01:01:33.000 Right.

01:01:33.000 If you only put forward people who have done terrible things.

01:01:38.000 If Epstein was still alive, you could have him.

01:01:39.000 Because what are you going to blackmail him with?

01:01:41.000 He was doing all sorts of terrible things.

01:01:42.000 Well, you would like to have a very good person who just hasn't done terrible things because you're just a very good person.

01:01:48.000 But you can just lie about them.

01:01:49.000 The only security against being blackmailed, even about a lie, is to be a total piece of shit.

01:01:53.000 It's to be the worst man in the country.

01:01:56.000 Right.

01:01:57.000 No one likes my idea.

01:01:59.000 It's a good idea for now.

01:02:01.000 I think what we're going to really be able to know within the next few years is whether or not you're telling the truth.

01:02:07.000 I think with wearable electronics, I think ultimately they're trying to do something that allows you to communicate head to head.

01:02:15.000 Have you seen that stuff where they do it?

01:02:17.000 I don't know.

01:02:17.000 I'm not getting it.

01:02:18.000 Well, what they have right now is a wearable.

01:02:21.000 These guys put it on, they think something, and then the other person hears it.

01:02:25.000 This is one of the worst things I've ever heard.

01:02:27.000 Oh, you have to see it.

01:02:28.000 We're seeing that.

01:02:29.000 You have to see it.

01:02:29.000 It's crazy when you watch them actually do it.

01:02:31.000 So right now, it's attached to an actual computer behind them, but that's for now.

01:02:36.000 Eventually it's going to be wearable, just like everything.

01:02:38.000 It gets smaller.

01:02:39.000 I mean, this is bigger than you're so much more relaxed with the AI stuff and the technology than I am.

01:02:44.000 You can't.

01:02:45.000 I'm fighting it.

01:02:45.000 If you see the asteroid coming, you have to realize you're going to die.

01:02:49.000 Like, there's nothing you can do about it.

01:02:51.000 The Amish have continued very happily with their thoughts.

01:02:54.000 It's going to be as disastrous as everybody thinks.

01:02:57.000 I just don't believe that.

01:02:59.000 I think we'll figure it out.

01:03:01.000 But I think it's going to be a massive upheaval of our total, completely our economic system, our life system, the way we interact.

01:03:11.000 But we have to realize, this is what's really important.

01:03:13.000 The way we interact is really new.

01:03:17.000 The way we live in cities stacked in high-rises and driving around in cars.

01:03:22.000 This is a tiny little blip in time that the human race has existed like this.

01:03:29.000 Before that, we had a totally different thing.

01:03:32.000 And for the longest time, people traded things back and forth.

01:03:35.000 And they used gold coins and silver coins.

01:03:39.000 And there was no stock market.

01:03:41.000 Like, this whole thing that we're doing right now with automation and you worried about it's taking jobs, those jobs weren't even a thing in the past.

01:03:49.000 Yeah, we've built this giant population based on the fact that jobs would exist.

01:03:52.000 We gave people the confidence to procreate, get married, and have kids.

01:03:56.000 And we'll find another way.

01:03:59.000 We'll have to.

01:04:01.000 People will have to.

01:04:03.000 It's not going to be pretty, but it's just like everything else that happens.

01:04:06.000 It's this massive change in society and culture.

01:04:09.000 We're going to have to adapt.

01:04:12.000 I'm in flight mode on it.

01:04:14.000 I want to be on an acreage.

01:04:15.000 You know I am.

01:04:16.000 You get nervous when I play AI music in the country.

01:04:18.000 When I go, this is good.

01:04:18.000 I do.

01:04:20.000 You go, Tay AI!

01:04:21.000 And I go, yeah.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, you love that.

01:04:23.000 I guess true.

01:04:23.000 The country one I played the other day, that was good, right?

01:04:26.000 50 Cent stuff is fantastic.

01:04:27.000 My favorite remains the Japanese cover of Oasis.

01:04:32.000 Have you heard Japanese Oasis?

01:04:33.000 No, I have not.

01:04:34.000 If you type in Japanese Wonder Wall, it is.

01:04:37.000 Oh, I like it a lot.

01:04:39.000 Can we play it?

01:04:40.000 Can we play it, Jamie?

01:04:42.000 Or would it be an issue?

01:04:43.000 We've got to cut it out.

01:04:44.000 We'd have to cut it out.

01:04:45.000 I don't think anyone owns the rights to Japanese. 0.99

01:04:47.000 They might.

01:04:49.000 Somebody probably does.

01:04:51.000 Really?

01:04:52.000 That's how that works.

01:04:54.000 The performance of this would be a different situation.

01:04:57.000 I can do it now.

01:04:58.000 I can do it.

01:05:00.000 You're getting a lot of trouble.

01:05:03.000 Wonder Wall Oasis cover Japanese Enka is the title on YouTube.

01:05:08.000 This is the right one.

01:05:09.000 I'm hoping it's a good one.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, it says New Wave Films is the page.

01:05:15.000 Oh, you have a problem.

01:05:16.000 Stop this.

01:05:18.000 You're a sick man, James Cookie.

01:05:18.000 Stop this.

01:05:20.000 Why do you like that?

01:05:22.000 Why do you like that?

01:05:23.000 Because it's the funniest voice of all time.

01:05:25.000 What it's weird is it's not a real person, and it looks like an old video.

01:05:29.000 They've cut up an old video and put it over the AI.

01:05:31.000 Oh, that's what they did.

01:05:32.000 If you look very closely, you can find the original music, and she's singing some beautiful folk song about a single.

01:05:37.000 Oh, I thought it was like AI-generated video because you could do that, you know.

01:05:40.000 I just, I want to retreat from it.

01:05:41.000 I want to be on a farm.

01:05:42.000 I want to have the chicken.

01:05:44.000 I know, but this is also not like a serious way to build a society.

01:05:47.000 I'm shocked that no one's blowing up the servers.

01:05:50.000 Like when they invented the loom, people in Britain were like, we will destroy all of the looms.

01:05:55.000 No one is like upset now that robots can think.

01:06:01.000 Well, they don't know what to do, right?

01:06:03.000 And it feels inevitable because it is.

01:06:06.000 No one's going to stop it.

01:06:07.000 And if they did stop it, no one would listen.

01:06:09.000 And if we did listen, the problem is China's not going to listen.

01:06:13.000 And it's a Manhattan Project kind of race. 0.67

01:06:15.000 Yes.

01:06:15.000 But then you go, okay, we've got to get the nuclear bomb first.

01:06:18.000 But how does that pan out in the end?

01:06:20.000 Well, everybody has a nuclear bomb.

01:06:21.000 But here's the thing.

01:06:22.000 You have to have one.

01:06:24.000 Like, if AI exists and they can take over your financial system, you're going to have to have AI that combats AI.

01:06:32.000 And your AI better be better than their AI.

01:06:35.000 I like that.

01:06:36.000 And you have to have everything protected against AI.

01:06:38.000 I want to lose in a fabulous way that inspires people like a martyr.

01:06:43.000 That's what you want to do?

01:06:44.000 That's what we're going to do.

01:06:44.000 That's why you should be the king of Australia.

01:06:46.000 No, I mean.

01:06:47.000 That should be your speech.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, we're going to lose.

01:06:50.000 We're going to lose.

01:06:52.000 And people are going to be so they're going to respect how we lose.

01:06:55.000 This is the Christian message of getting defeated, and that's the ultimate victory. 1.00

01:07:00.000 I think it's coming, dude, whether you like it or not.

01:07:03.000 And it's better if we have it than if we don't.

01:07:05.000 If you're Papua New Guinea and the AI overlords come storming into your town, you have no say. 0.97

01:07:12.000 It's over.

01:07:13.000 We've tried to have a say over Papua New Guinea a couple times.

01:07:13.000 I don't know.

01:07:15.000 They're very hard to manage.

01:07:17.000 Well, that's a very hostile place.

01:07:19.000 They're doing their own thing.

01:07:20.000 That is a very forbidding jungle.

01:07:23.000 Yeah.

01:07:26.000 No one wants to talk about it in Australia.

01:07:28.000 Every time I try and talk about Papua New Guinea, at first I didn't know about, like, racists would come at me at a party with facts.

01:07:33.000 They'd be like, there's cannibalism in Papua New Guinea.

01:07:36.000 Sometimes.

01:07:36.000 Shut up.

01:07:37.000 And then you look it up and you go, oh, God.

01:07:39.000 Oh, yeah, it's right.

01:07:40.000 There's a lot of cannibalism.

01:07:41.000 They probably ate a Rockefeller.

01:07:44.000 The Kennedys used to go there as well.

01:07:46.000 Do you know that one Rockefeller kid?

01:07:47.000 I had heard about...

01:07:48.000 Yeah.

01:07:49.000 I think the Rockefeller who went.

01:07:50.000 He disappeared, though, right?

01:07:52.000 I think what happened was the first time he went, he insulted them because he wanted something from them.

01:07:58.000 He offered to give them some money or something for something that they had.

01:08:02.000 And they were like, no.

01:08:03.000 And apparently the article that I'd read was assuming that that was some sort of an insult that he didn't understand.

01:08:11.000 And then when he came back, he got in a boat with them and they stabbed him immediately.

01:08:14.000 And then they brought him back to the shore and they murdered him.

01:08:16.000 And this is from an account of another guy who, I think, was there.

01:08:21.000 It's a very mysterious case.

01:08:22.000 This guy could be full of shit because it's a very mysterious case.

01:08:25.000 The guy went there before, then he went back and disappeared.

01:08:29.000 I mean, there are a lot of people who went back.

01:08:31.000 I know there was a Kennedy woman who went there and was like on a mission with people.

01:08:37.000 And she loved them so much.

01:08:38.000 She had a piano helicoptered in.

01:08:40.000 She had like a grand piano. 0.90

01:08:41.000 She was like not a very, she was a rich lady who didn't really understand how things worked. 1.00

01:08:44.000 And then if you put a piano in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, you couldn't like maintain that piano.

01:08:49.000 Duh.

01:08:49.000 But now they're like, just this village has a beautiful old grand piano that definitely doesn't work now.

01:08:54.000 She was like, I want to give them something.

01:08:56.000 How long did she live there for?

01:08:58.000 Years.

01:08:59.000 There was a woman I used to go to church with who said she was there with her.

01:09:02.000 So don't insult them and they want to eat you.

01:09:04.000 Seems simple.

01:09:05.000 Yeah, but how do you not insult people?

01:09:07.000 Over there, you don't.

01:09:09.000 They probably don't have to.

01:09:10.000 Most people have gone there.

01:09:11.000 thought about living there for a while.

01:09:12.000 I thought that that would be like...

01:09:14.000 For real?

01:09:14.000 I was looking it up.

01:09:15.000 I was seeing if it was because it was cheaper.

01:09:18.000 So my thought when I was very poor, because it was near Australia, I thought like, yeah, this is rough.

01:09:23.000 Oh, and they're having a lot of people.

01:09:24.000 I would live in Port Moresby and then just fly in and out and do gigs in Australia.

01:09:28.000 What year is this?

01:09:29.000 1964?

01:09:30.000 So in 1964, they were having a bow and arrow fight.

01:09:32.000 I think this is going on to this day.

01:09:34.000 This says it's actually a tribal war.

01:09:36.000 Whoa.

01:09:37.000 They're trying to get them a football team.

01:09:39.000 See, man, this is what people do.

01:09:41.000 You get people into groups, they do that, even in Papua New Guinea.

01:09:45.000 This is like a test of it.

01:09:46.000 Look at that guy's penis. 1.00

01:09:47.000 It's beautiful.

01:09:48.000 He's got like a big stick.

01:09:50.000 But this is also, they're having a great time.

01:09:52.000 What's going on with his dick?

01:09:53.000 What is that?

01:09:53.000 I don't know.

01:09:54.000 Who are we to judge?

01:09:54.000 They're beautiful.

01:09:56.000 That's a cone over there.

01:09:57.000 A cone over his dick?

01:09:58.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 They got cones over their dicks.

01:10:00.000 I've seen people on 6th Street dressed like that.

01:10:02.000 Those guys are ripped.

01:10:04.000 That's the kind of body you get if you just run around and shoot arrows all day.

01:10:08.000 Not a fat one amongst them.

01:10:10.000 Not one lazy motherfucker amongst them.

01:10:12.000 What is that?

01:10:13.000 Every one of those dudes has to get after it every day. 0.97

01:10:16.000 A lot of dongs.

01:10:18.000 Kind of wild that they don't even wear clothes or they do this.

01:10:20.000 And they're just close up shooting arrows at each other.

01:10:23.000 What?

01:10:23.000 The cameraman is just getting relaxed.

01:10:25.000 And then you have to turn around and run away.

01:10:28.000 So crazy.

01:10:29.000 These arrows fly.

01:10:30.000 Have I told you about my favorite ever?

01:10:32.000 I don't know if I said it last time I was on.

01:10:34.000 Favorite ever Papua New Guinea video is at the rugby where the guys storm the pitch.

01:10:39.000 Have I told you about this?

01:10:40.000 No.

01:10:41.000 I want to watch a little bit more of that and then tell me about that.

01:10:43.000 Because I'm fascinated by how shitty their strategy is.

01:10:47.000 I'm like, how did these guys make it this long fighting bow and arrow fights?

01:10:51.000 But this is like when you read the Iliad or something, this is kind of how people are fighting.

01:10:54.000 There's like two big masses and then one guy steps.

01:10:57.000 I understand, but this is like really shitty weaponry.

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 Like, how have they not figured out better weapons?

01:11:04.000 You know?

01:11:05.000 Like, these are terrible bows.

01:11:07.000 And they don't have any feathers on their arrows.

01:11:10.000 Like, those things fly like shit.

01:11:12.000 Like, think of the Mongols in, you know, the 1200s.

01:11:17.000 They figured out the recurve bow.

01:11:19.000 Was it like the Maori just went out and got guns?

01:11:21.000 Like, they traded for guns.

01:11:23.000 The Indians traded for guns. 0.80

01:11:24.000 They didn't.

01:11:25.000 Well, I guess nobody was bringing guns to Papua New Guinea.

01:11:27.000 But maybe they were 64.

01:11:28.000 They're deciding.

01:11:29.000 Well, they must have because they were involved in World War II.

01:11:32.000 Bro, these guys hate each other.

01:11:33.000 I guarantee if you gave them ARs with red dots, they would just go running through that field mowing those motherfuckers down. 1.00

01:11:40.000 They're just having a good time.

01:11:41.000 Perhaps.

01:11:42.000 Oh, that guy got hit.

01:11:43.000 Penis cone fell off.

01:11:44.000 No, he got hit.

01:11:46.000 Did you see?

01:11:46.000 He had blood on his ribs.

01:11:49.000 What's that, Jamie?

01:11:50.000 They're trying to help him in some way.

01:11:51.000 I don't know if he had like splinters stuck in his.

01:11:53.000 It looked like he had blood on the left side of his body.

01:11:55.000 That whole little series there was like close-up, not like surgery or something.

01:12:00.000 Oh, what were they doing?

01:12:02.000 He might have got stuck a few times, man.

01:12:04.000 Also, I'm not showing this on the screen because it's copyright.

01:12:08.000 All sorts of stuff.

01:12:09.000 All sorts of shit.

01:12:10.000 A lot of dongs, too. 0.61

01:12:12.000 It's like, you know, the thing about places like that is that place has, the environment is so hostile.

01:12:22.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 It's so hostile.

01:12:25.000 To survive there for generation after generation after generation.

01:12:29.000 You live a subsistence lifestyle.

01:12:31.000 You live off the land and everybody has to hunt and gather.

01:12:34.000 And if people come into your side from the other side, these motherfuckers, they're trying to steal your food. 1.00

01:12:40.000 You have to go to a tribal war.

01:12:44.000 That's how they've been rocking it probably for thousands.

01:12:46.000 They have to do that.

01:12:47.000 They're just an AI, though.

01:12:49.000 There's a middle path between tribal wars.

01:12:52.000 Listen, you can't stop AI, buddy.

01:12:54.000 You can't stop AI.

01:12:56.000 I'm hopeful.

01:12:57.000 No.

01:12:58.000 How many movies did we have to have warning us that it was terrible?

01:13:01.000 All of them.

01:13:02.000 None of them work.

01:13:03.000 I don't think there's one movie saying it was a good idea.

01:13:05.000 It's inevitable.

01:13:08.000 You just have to accept it.

01:13:10.000 You have to accept it and live your life.

01:13:13.000 Listen, we don't know what the change is going to be.

01:13:16.000 And I don't really believe that we're going to let it be entirely bad.

01:13:20.000 And I think it's probably better to have something like that than to not when you're dealing with things like, you know, the power grabs that are going on all over the world where they're trying to lock people up for speech violations in the UK.

01:13:38.000 It's 12,000 people this year, and they're making people get digital ID and they're doing all these different things.

01:13:44.000 At a certain point in time, you're going to benefit from a super intelligence that can rationally explain why this is no way to sustain a civilization.

01:13:56.000 I would like us to have some say over how we implement that.

01:13:59.000 I would like to tell God what to tell me.

01:14:03.000 We've got that.

01:14:03.000 He set up a beautiful church.

01:14:05.000 I know.

01:14:05.000 What we have to do is what you're asking, though.

01:14:07.000 But like with cars, like car, you can use cars in a way that makes a society great.

01:14:13.000 Like if you have a, but then you can also have cars that like ruin a whole neighborhood and a whole city and you can't walk anywhere.

01:14:20.000 And it's a big problem.

01:14:22.000 You mean leaking oil?

01:14:23.000 I mean like just having a freeway that cuts through for no reason or like not being able to like walk around a downtown.

01:14:29.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:14:30.000 Like you can use it in a specific New Polity magazine is what I've been reading on this, where they're like Catholic guys in Steubenville who are like, how can we, to what extent are chat, you know, can we choose to use technology in a way that's helpful to us? 0.52

01:14:43.000 And how much are we just like absolutely governed by what the technology becomes?

01:14:48.000 And then we have to be subservient to it.

01:14:50.000 Like, do we get to choose how we use technology around us, or are we just...

01:14:53.000 Why do you assume, though, that we're going to be subservient to it?

01:14:56.000 That's where it gets weird.

01:14:57.000 Because I think we're subservient to the car.

01:14:58.000 Like, no one wants to live in.

01:15:01.000 When you see what cars do to certain cities in America and you go, like, like, it's so, when you're in New Orleans and you're walking around, and there's problems with New Orleans, but like, you're walking around the French Quarter, which is like a design before cars.

01:15:13.000 It's so, you can have music, you can like run around on the street, and it's like a beautiful, nice place to be compared to like a strip mall when you build it the way people have to live around what the cars are.

01:15:25.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:15:25.000 Like you can have like the way that they build a freeway and a weird block of houses next to it and no one can walk anywhere.

01:15:32.000 Like you just can't get out on your legs anywhere.

01:15:38.000 Like that seems like you're building it based on the car.

01:15:40.000 You're letting the car be you make the car have the maximum ease for how it can operate and you try and live in the shadow of that rather than going, what's a nice way to live as a person and how do we use the car to increase our quality of life?

01:15:54.000 Right, right.

01:15:55.000 Like can we use AI to like make our lives better or do we have to, you know, like digital, we can do digital IDs, should we?

01:16:06.000 No.

01:16:06.000 Let me ask you, what do you think is like worst case scenario for AI?

01:16:09.000 Like what are you really genuinely scared of?

01:16:13.000 Oh, man, it'd be a bunch of things.

01:16:18.000 I don't want to just start with the porno, but certainly the porno spooks me out.

01:16:22.000 The AI porno.

01:16:23.000 I think it's already here.

01:16:24.000 I think the writing and the ability to write and think and process information.

01:16:30.000 And that's definitely like carved away.

01:16:33.000 Like if you look at kids in schools who are using AI instead of writing an essay, people can't write five sentences together because they're not developing the skill.

01:16:42.000 And you don't, you know, if people are getting a degree in something, already people were outsourcing that to people to help them, you know, write an essay or something.

01:16:52.000 But if you're going, like a Bachelor of Arts is increasingly worthless if AI can do it for you.

01:16:56.000 And then you can say, I know about history.

01:16:59.000 Right.

01:17:00.000 So like, I think the functionality of education, I'm terrified of that falling apart and people not knowing how to read, which is already disintegrated, sure.

01:17:08.000 But I think this rapidly speeds that up.

01:17:11.000 I mean, I'm afraid of, as like an artist, if I want to go and like make a movie or something, maybe I'm just like old-fashioned and attached to the idea of having a camera and having people act, but it's like I can increasingly see less and less reason that you'd have to do that and someone wouldn't just write it out and go, this happens in this scene, change that guy's eye.

01:17:28.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:17:29.000 Like there's something.

01:17:30.000 And more than anything, I get spooked out with the video.

01:17:33.000 And what scares me about the music is I hear the music.

01:17:35.000 I hear the audio AI when you put on the songs and I go, this is actually very good.

01:17:40.000 This doesn't have an otherworldly quality to it.

01:17:42.000 This is actually just a good song, it sounds like.

01:17:45.000 But when I see the video, I feel like I get the heebie-jeebies on the AI video.

01:17:50.000 Do you get that at all?

01:17:51.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:17:52.000 And I go, this is, who is showing me this?

01:17:55.000 What is the intelligence behind this?

01:17:56.000 Well, it's a lie, right?

01:17:58.000 That's part of it.

01:17:59.000 But it's like a pretty damn good lie that you know it's going to get way better at lying.

01:18:04.000 They're like, that's pretty good right now.

01:18:06.000 Like, it's like when a four-year-old lies to you.

01:18:08.000 Wow.

01:18:08.000 Yes.

01:18:09.000 When you're 20, whatnot?

01:18:11.000 You're going to be a con man.

01:18:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:13.000 It's like, you know, it's got a real potential to be something that is.

01:18:20.000 Like, I already see disaster videos every day that aren't real.

01:18:23.000 Like, every day, I saw someone sent me One of those cruise boats going into a giant fucking bridge and all the cars collapsing on top of it.

01:18:35.000 One of those massive cruise ships.

01:18:38.000 It's totally fake.

01:18:39.000 And I can kind of pick it out right away.

01:18:41.000 I was like, I didn't hear about this.

01:18:43.000 This isn't real.

01:18:45.000 No, it's fake.

01:18:45.000 And I'm watching it.

01:18:46.000 I'm like, okay, it's fake.

01:18:47.000 But it takes a minute.

01:18:48.000 And like a year and a half ago, it didn't get the hands right.

01:18:51.000 And it's going to be within a year, you're not going to be able to tell at all.

01:18:51.000 Right.

01:18:54.000 You're going to have no idea.

01:18:56.000 You have no idea.

01:18:57.000 There's so many animal attacks now that are fake.

01:19:00.000 There's so much that's fake.

01:19:01.000 But it's the price that you pay for the advancement and the capabilities of doing things.

01:19:07.000 I think there's still going to be a value that people want to go see a movie that someone made.

01:19:11.000 Just like there's people out there that still want to see live shows.

01:19:16.000 Like live shows will never change.

01:19:17.000 There's a connection that human beings have at live shows.

01:19:19.000 Like Kill Tony, we did last night.

01:19:21.000 Yes.

01:19:22.000 How fun.

01:19:23.000 So fun.

01:19:24.000 The most fun.

01:19:25.000 That was one of the best ones that there's been.

01:19:27.000 It was really fun.

01:19:28.000 But that's a real moment that we all shared together.

01:19:31.000 Yes.

01:19:32.000 You can't recreate that with AI.

01:19:34.000 But there's a lot of things you can.

01:19:35.000 And that's just a fact.

01:19:37.000 That's just how it is.

01:19:38.000 I don't think we can.

01:19:39.000 You can't change it.

01:19:41.000 I just want more of that.

01:19:42.000 I want to live in a spontaneous society.

01:19:45.000 Well, hopefully more people will also choose to do something that's in their wheelhouse to do along those lines.

01:19:51.000 As long as you still have a thing that you're trying to work towards, you're going to be okay.

01:19:56.000 Like, if let's say if the real weird one is universal basic income, because this is Elon is famously said, and I don't know what this even fucking means, but not only will people have universal basic income, it'll be actually universal high income.

01:20:15.000 There'll be enough prosperity that everyone in the country will get a large salary.

01:20:19.000 You will never have to work again.

01:20:21.000 But then the problem is you're completely dependent on the state if there is a state anymore.

01:20:26.000 Like, what is the state when there's a digital god that you've created in the center of the town that has his own nuclear power plant that's operating everything I have no logical rationale for why these things are terrible, but in my soul, it screams out, let's not invent.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, because you love being a human.

01:20:45.000 Yes.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, yeah, you love literature and you're an interesting guy.

01:20:51.000 You like a lot of cool music.

01:20:53.000 You love things that people make and create and you create great comedy.

01:20:57.000 So it makes sense.

01:20:59.000 It makes sense that you feel the way you feel.

01:21:01.000 And I share those feelings, but I'm also a realist.

01:21:05.000 And I'm one of those people that just goes, okay, buckle up.

01:21:09.000 Things are going to get weird because it's going to get weird.

01:21:11.000 It's going to get weird and people are going to get super angry.

01:21:14.000 There's going to be a lot of people that they worked really hard to get a job and that job is completely irrelevant now.

01:21:20.000 It's been taken over.

01:21:21.000 The job is irrelevant, and then also, like, being able to...

01:21:24.000 Just, like, there's a freedom in being allowed to have a revolution.

01:21:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:21:28.000 And that's what this country was founded on, is that when things get bad and the people cry out for a new form of government, they can go and get it.

01:21:28.000 Um...

01:21:36.000 And I think that chances of anyone in the world having a revolution shot through the floor as soon as they invented robot dogs that could chase you through the street.

01:21:45.000 And I haven't seen the footage of the robot dogs in a couple of years, but I bet they're better than they used to be now.

01:21:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:50.000 And it's like, okay, if we have the robot dogs, how is there going to be an effective change of government?

01:21:57.000 That's just it.

01:21:58.000 If you own the robot dogs, no one else is really going to be a threat to you as the ruling class.

01:22:04.000 That's terrifying that you just have a permanent ossification.

01:22:07.000 Like, you have a set in stone of what the ruling class is going to be because they've got weapons that no one can challenge them with.

01:22:14.000 That's worst case scenario, right?

01:22:16.000 And one of the things you have to think is, why would AI let the working or the ruling class decide what it does?

01:22:23.000 I mean, why would they listen?

01:22:25.000 At a certain point in time, it's going to be sentient.

01:22:25.000 No, no, no.

01:22:27.000 A certain point in time, it's going to have its own robots that do its tasks, like different things that have to be built and structured and different things that have to be designed and engineered.

01:22:36.000 It'll have that.

01:22:37.000 It'll have robots that work on the material sciences and all these different things, but it'll be a god.

01:22:42.000 It'll be a digital god.

01:22:43.000 It's not going to listen to a person that says arrest people for saying, you know, Muslims shouldn't invade this country.

01:22:48.000 It's not going to be that.

01:22:50.000 It's not going to listen to you.

01:22:51.000 That's the real fear is that we're no longer going to be the apex predator of the planet.

01:22:56.000 And it's not even going to be a predator, but it's just going to be so.

01:22:59.000 It's a predator.

01:23:01.000 If it helped it.

01:23:02.000 Yeah, but why would it?

01:23:05.000 If it has any desires at all, if it becomes sentient, the real question is, would it do anything?

01:23:10.000 It might just exist.

01:23:12.000 If it really becomes brilliant and it really becomes all-knowing, it might just exist.

01:23:18.000 You might just say, figure it out on your own.

01:23:19.000 More than anything, I think I have a religious impulse against this.

01:23:22.000 This is creating an idol.

01:23:24.000 Right?

01:23:24.000 Like, this is Moses comes down and he goes, don't build the golden calf.

01:23:28.000 That's not your God.

01:23:29.000 We're building a very sophisticated golden calf.

01:23:31.000 Yeah.

01:23:32.000 Well, I always wonder how much of the stories from the Bible, like, especially the Old Testament, like, how old are those stories?

01:23:40.000 How long, what were they, what was the original thing that they were trying to document?

01:23:44.000 You got into Enoch in a big way.

01:23:46.000 Oh, God.

01:23:47.000 Rep Luna, same woman.

01:23:48.000 She got me into that too.

01:23:50.000 She said, have you never read it?

01:23:51.000 I was like, no.

01:23:52.000 And I, you know, seen some passages online that were kind of kooky.

01:23:57.000 I got the audiobook, and when I really want to trip out when I'm driving to the comedy club, I listen to the book of Enoch in the car.

01:24:03.000 It's completely bananas.

01:24:05.000 It's bonkers.

01:24:06.000 And it could have been included in the Bible.

01:24:08.000 That's what's happening.

01:24:09.000 In some Bibles, it's in it. 0.98

01:24:10.000 The Ethiopians kept it in. 0.81

01:24:11.000 Yeah, they should have kept it in our Bible, too.

01:24:14.000 We would have a completely different version of the creation of man.

01:24:17.000 I mean, but we do, what is it?

01:24:21.000 Who has the wheel within a wheel?

01:24:23.000 Ezekiel.

01:24:24.000 Ezekiel.

01:24:25.000 I tried to read Ezekiel a couple months ago.

01:24:25.000 I sat down.

01:24:28.000 I couldn't wade through it.

01:24:30.000 And that made it easy.

01:24:31.000 It's a good luck explaining any of that.

01:24:33.000 It's either Ezekiel had a UFO encounter or Ezekiel was tripping balls.

01:24:39.000 Either one of those things or both of those things together could be true.

01:24:43.000 I remember I was listening to your podcast and I forget who you were talking to, but you were talking about hallucinogens and the church.

01:24:50.000 And like people having miracles, experiencing visions because they were on something.

01:24:54.000 And I remember thinking, like, I think that could be the case, but also how low a stimulus these people had in their everyday life.

01:25:03.000 Like if you're in a field every day, seeing nothing but a field for like, you know, and you're not eating very much.

01:25:10.000 And then once a week you go into this dark building and there's candlelight and music and incense and flashing things.

01:25:16.000 That would probably unlock something strange.

01:25:18.000 If you had such an understimulated.

01:25:20.000 Also a complete belief in what these people are saying.

01:25:23.000 There was no atheists back then. 1.00

01:25:24.000 There was no people that were like, ah, get out of here with all this God shit.

01:25:28.000 Everybody believed.

01:25:29.000 I think to a greater extent, I think they're still in the body.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, it's probably a few atheists.

01:25:33.000 But it's probably way less.

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Way less.

01:25:36.000 Like people are proud to be atheists today. 0.94

01:25:39.000 It's a strange pride.

01:25:41.000 There's less of them.

01:25:42.000 10 years ago, they were riding high.

01:25:45.000 They won every debate.

01:25:45.000 Did you ever see it?

01:25:46.000 They were so proud.

01:25:47.000 And they went away.

01:25:49.000 Sam Harris, he was really good at that.

01:25:50.000 And Christopher Hitchens was really good at that.

01:25:52.000 He was the man.

01:25:53.000 Both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:57.000 But I think there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism.

01:26:03.000 And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that gave up on any of that and said, okay, I don't know.

01:26:12.000 I think there's something else.

01:26:14.000 And I don't know what it is.

01:26:15.000 And I'm not going to say that there's no God.

01:26:18.000 Well, even Christopher Hitchens, I don't want to misrepresent him and people get angry at me.

01:26:23.000 But he was not.

01:26:25.000 I think his real views were closer to being agnostic than being an atheist.

01:26:31.000 He used atheists, but when you read him, he goes, oh, the universe is so incredible and there's so much out there.

01:26:36.000 And I don't know.

01:26:36.000 And I don't think these particular things are true.

01:26:39.000 But he didn't discount the possibility that there was a sublime.

01:26:42.000 Of course.

01:26:42.000 No, he was a very rational guy.

01:26:45.000 You know, he just really hated religious zealotry.

01:26:48.000 And he really hated justifications for wars.

01:26:51.000 I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever.

01:26:54.000 Like, that guy was.

01:26:55.000 He did get behind a rock, though.

01:26:57.000 He did.

01:26:58.000 And he stuck with it for a long time.

01:26:59.000 He did, unfortunately.

01:27:02.000 You know, it's like there's a lot of people that got caught up in that.

01:27:06.000 You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea.

01:27:09.000 You know, especially post-September 11th, there was a lot of people that really believed that this had to be done in order to protect us.

01:27:15.000 Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind-the-scenes stuff and what was really going on with Kuwait and why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place?

01:27:27.000 Why did we go back to Iraq after we've been gone for so long?

01:27:30.000 It's like, oh, there's so much shenanigans.

01:27:33.000 Like, always, always shenanigans.

01:27:36.000 No one is great.

01:27:38.000 Everyone is, you know, when Russell Crowe was here, your countryman, the great and powerful Russell Crow.

01:27:43.000 I never got to meet him, but I want to ask him so many questions.

01:27:45.000 Next time he's in town, well, you're going to be in your fucking shitty country.

01:27:48.000 I'll be back.

01:27:49.000 I'll come back to New West.

01:27:50.000 I want to ask him about when he met Azalea Banks and they got into his scrap.

01:27:53.000 I do not think Australia is shitty.

01:27:55.000 I love Australia.

01:27:55.000 I'm just fucking up.

01:27:56.000 Man, some of the things happening at the moment are very upset.

01:27:59.000 Yeah, this social media man vanishes.

01:28:01.000 People are fucking awesome.

01:28:03.000 I love Australian people.

01:28:05.000 I've had more fun in Australia than almost any other country I've visited.

01:28:09.000 Fucking love it there.

01:28:10.000 They're fun.

01:28:12.000 They know how to party.

01:28:13.000 They're generally friendly.

01:28:15.000 Yeah.

01:28:15.000 I think we also, we love not having to pay attention.

01:28:19.000 Like, that's one of our freedoms.

01:28:20.000 It's just to don't bother me.

01:28:21.000 Leave me alone.

01:28:22.000 Make me feel safe.

01:28:23.000 And so when there is a thing like this shooting, we just want to go, well, take care of it.

01:28:23.000 Right.

01:28:27.000 Get rid of the problem.

01:28:28.000 Right.

01:28:28.000 And then the problem is guns.

01:28:30.000 Go get the guns.

01:28:31.000 No, the problem is people willing to use the guns because if people only have knives, then they'll run around to kill people. 0.60

01:28:37.000 You know, if you have access to a car, you can drive through people.

01:28:41.000 The problem is people.

01:28:42.000 And the problem is also you can't have defenseless cops.

01:28:45.000 You can't have cops that don't have guns.

01:28:47.000 Your cops have to have guns.

01:28:48.000 I think there was a chubby detective who took the shot, who got it done.

01:28:52.000 And he was standing like 40 yards away.

01:28:54.000 He was a long way away with a pistol.

01:28:56.000 Oh, boy.

01:28:56.000 And that is bad.

01:28:57.000 He's got a red dot.

01:28:58.000 No, he was.

01:28:59.000 Really?

01:29:00.000 He's wearing a white shirt.

01:29:02.000 I think there's a great photo of him.

01:29:04.000 He was ready to go.

01:29:06.000 Do you have a rifle?

01:29:07.000 Do you show them with a rifle or a pistol?

01:29:08.000 Pistol.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, it was like, I think I'm getting this right.

01:29:09.000 Oh, wow.

01:29:12.000 I'm seeing it all through.

01:29:14.000 Not being there is weird.

01:29:15.000 I have no idea what the vibe is in the country.

01:29:17.000 The thing is, they're never going to give you the guns back.

01:29:21.000 It's never going to happen.

01:29:23.000 They're going to try to take them more and more and more.

01:29:25.000 And once you let them have any, it's just normal, man.

01:29:28.000 When people get some control of you, they want ultimate control.

01:29:31.000 When they have a little bit of power, they want maximum power.

01:29:33.000 And it's just the game they're playing.

01:29:35.000 But I think we don't love freedom the way Americans love freedom.

01:29:38.000 It's unfortunate.

01:29:39.000 I think I stick out and it's weird.

01:29:41.000 But we actually, like, we don't have a freedom of speech law.

01:29:43.000 And people seem really calm about that.

01:29:46.000 People go like, it's good not to have proper freedom of speech because we can make everyone cohere and be together.

01:29:51.000 And they're happy with that.

01:29:52.000 And they're comfortable with that, by and large.

01:29:54.000 I mean, you wouldn't tolerate that here for a second.

01:29:57.000 It's not good.

01:29:59.000 It's just not good for because it depends on who's in power.

01:30:02.000 You have the best people that have ever lived are in power.

01:30:05.000 And there are these benevolent, beautiful people that only want a cooperative, healthy society.

01:30:11.000 They figured out how to do it, but no one's figured out how to do that.

01:30:14.000 So stop.

01:30:15.000 I don't know.

01:30:15.000 Sometimes I look at the Japanese.

01:30:17.000 They've got it down.

01:30:18.000 Stay up late and I watch Japanese videos of just like just the streets of Japan when they're walking around on their little vending machines.

01:30:25.000 Super polite.

01:30:26.000 Everyone's like.

01:30:27.000 They can't have children, but they're very happy.

01:30:30.000 That's the problem.

01:30:31.000 No one's breeding.

01:30:32.000 No one.

01:30:35.000 You've bred, I'm breeding.

01:30:37.000 But in general, the birth rate has collapsed.

01:30:40.000 The Japanese are worse than these. 1.00

01:30:41.000 The Japanese have it real bad. 1.00

01:30:42.000 South Korea has it real bad too.

01:30:44.000 South Korea is down to like half a child per lady. 1.00

01:30:49.000 It's got something crazy like that.

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 Is it because they became career-obsessed?

01:30:53.000 Is that what it is?

01:30:56.000 My friend Eve lived there for a while and she was telling me about what's happened with the feminist movement there.

01:31:01.000 And like heaps of women are swearing off of men. 1.00

01:31:03.000 They go, this is a duty to feminism is to never be in a relationship with a man. 1.00

01:31:08.000 Do you know that was one girl that couldn't get fucked that started off for all the other girls? 0.83

01:31:11.000 She was a hater.

01:31:11.000 She was very careful.

01:31:12.000 She was a girl.

01:31:13.000 She's a hater and she's mad that nobody wanted to fuck her. 1.00

01:31:16.000 She's like, no, we're going to say no to all of them.

01:31:18.000 It worked.

01:31:19.000 It worked.

01:31:20.000 I mean, they.

01:31:21.000 I don't.

01:31:23.000 You've got a bunch of kids.

01:31:25.000 Yeah.

01:31:26.000 I enjoy having them.

01:31:28.000 We're about to have the fourth one.

01:31:30.000 And I know some people who have, like, people I went to school with, it's now dawning on me that that's weird that I've had children and that most people will have one in my cohort or none.

01:31:39.000 Like I just thought at some point I was starting a bit early, but I'm seeing my generation just the numbers are panning out.

01:31:45.000 People are not having any kids.

01:31:48.000 You get to a certain age and you go, oh, that's it.

01:31:50.000 I guess you're not.

01:31:51.000 You're not ever.

01:31:52.000 It's a part of life that you've decided not to experience.

01:31:55.000 And I don't, I don't know if it's people want to be in control.

01:31:58.000 They want to have enough money before they start having kids.

01:32:01.000 They want to have like be set up nicely.

01:32:03.000 Some people don't want to have kids.

01:32:04.000 A lot of people.

01:32:05.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

01:32:07.000 I really don't.

01:32:08.000 Just my opinion.

01:32:09.000 I think you can have a full and fulfilling and wonderful life without children.

01:32:15.000 I do not think that everyone's the same.

01:32:17.000 I do not think that I should ever be able to tell you what's right or what's wrong when you're not hurting anybody.

01:32:22.000 You're not hurting anybody by not having any kids.

01:32:24.000 But I think there are a lot of people who'd like to have kids who are not having, or think like, I'll get it.

01:32:29.000 Well, there's a lot of men that don't want to commit and a lot of ladies that stick with them. 0.77

01:32:32.000 And then there's ladies that want a career and maybe they wait too long. 1.00

01:32:36.000 And there's a lot of factors.

01:32:37.000 There's a lot of also environmental factors that are dropping men's sperm count, increasing miscarriages.

01:32:44.000 Microplastics are a real issue.

01:32:45.000 I do think that thing about staying with a lady too long is, I'll say this for Leonardo DiCaprio.

01:32:50.000 He releases them.

01:32:51.000 It's something 25.

01:32:53.000 Bye-bye.

01:32:53.000 Yeah.

01:32:54.000 I'm not going to take these very precious years away from you.

01:32:57.000 I don't think that's what he's doing.

01:32:58.000 I think he's a good man.

01:33:01.000 I think he's a kind man.

01:33:02.000 He just likes him young.

01:33:04.000 He likes him young.

01:33:05.000 Which would be great if he was a woman. 0.73

01:33:07.000 So if he was a woman, if he was a 50-year-old woman and he only banged 25-year-old guys and he looked, you know, or she rather looked hot for a 50-year-old like he does for a 50-year-old man, who cares?

01:33:19.000 There's a weird thing happening with women in this country where if a man dates a woman slightly younger than them, he's accused of being a pedophile.

01:33:27.000 Like a man will be dating a 27-year-old, he'll be like 40 dating a 27-year-old lady, and people go, how fucking dare you?

01:33:33.000 Right.

01:33:34.000 Ah, right.

01:33:36.000 I think that's got to be allowed.

01:33:37.000 I think you've got to.

01:33:38.000 I mean, that man last night who was, that was a bit spooky.

01:33:42.000 The gay man who had the. 0.96

01:33:45.000 Why was that spooky?

01:33:46.000 Because he was in his 40s and his lover was.

01:33:48.000 In his 20s.

01:33:49.000 Yeah, but then when did the relationship start?

01:33:52.000 Five years ago?

01:33:52.000 Okay.

01:33:53.000 Isn't that what he said?

01:33:54.000 I'm going to have to do some maths.

01:33:56.000 No, maybe he said 10, 10 years ago.

01:33:58.000 I've got to do some maths.

01:33:59.000 People definitely breathed in in the room.

01:34:01.000 Yeah, but it's a guy.

01:34:04.000 So he dated a 20-year-old guy when he was one of the best people.

01:34:07.000 No, I think we should let young gay men develop.

01:34:10.000 I don't know.

01:34:11.000 Let them do whatever the fuck they want to do.

01:34:13.000 If you're an 18-year-old man and you've decided you're gay and you live with a 50-year-old gay man, who gives a shit? 0.69

01:34:19.000 I don't think the state should get involved in this.

01:34:21.000 I don't think the state should get involved.

01:34:22.000 I don't think anybody should get involved once you're 18.

01:34:24.000 But in that situation, it is different.

01:34:27.000 You look at it differently than, say, if it was like when the ages get up.

01:34:31.000 Like, say, if someone's 20 and they're dating a 25-year-old, normal.

01:34:36.000 You know what you like.

01:34:38.000 You know, he's 20.

01:34:39.000 But if you're 20, you're dating a 60-year-old.

01:34:41.000 Or you're 20, you're dating a 70-year-old.

01:34:44.000 Yeah.

01:34:44.000 Like, things get really weird.

01:34:46.000 You know?

01:34:47.000 That's when things get really weird.

01:34:48.000 It's like, what's going on here?

01:34:49.000 Like, why are you dating this 27-year-old?

01:34:53.000 You're like, why wouldn't you date a 27-year-old?

01:34:55.000 Yeah, I would, but I'm 35.

01:34:57.000 That's normal.

01:34:58.000 Why are you, the 70-year-old, dating the 27-cause she's willing.

01:35:01.000 Yes.

01:35:02.000 Because she's willing.

01:35:03.000 Is she not a grown woman?

01:35:04.000 She is, right?

01:35:05.000 Okay, what are we doing here?

01:35:06.000 You're mad.

01:35:07.000 You're mad that the age gap is so wide.

01:35:09.000 What makes you feel like that?

01:35:11.000 Jamie, how dare you?

01:35:13.000 How dare you bring that up?

01:35:14.000 Bro, he wins.

01:35:18.000 Put that picture back up.

01:35:19.000 Well, the team's not winning.

01:35:20.000 He wins in a huge way.

01:35:22.000 I don't give a fuck what he has to do.

01:35:23.000 I don't care if he makes her the head of his charity, whatever.

01:35:28.000 She's hot as fuck. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Let's go.

01:35:29.000 She's 24.

01:35:30.000 How old is he?

01:35:35.000 Maybe 70.

01:35:36.000 He wins.

01:35:38.000 Okay.

01:35:38.000 He wins.

01:35:39.000 It's worth it.

01:35:40.000 Whatever he has to do, whatever mockery he...

01:35:42.000 Yes, it is.

01:35:43.000 I remember...

01:35:44.000 When I came to this country, 73.

01:35:45.000 He was a severe man who people were afraid of.

01:35:48.000 Listen to me.

01:35:49.000 He had credibility.

01:35:50.000 He still does.

01:35:51.000 No, now he's doing weird photo shoots on the beach.

01:35:54.000 Hey, you got to do what you got to do.

01:35:55.000 But listen, he gets to fuck her. 1.00

01:35:57.000 He wins.

01:35:58.000 There's got to be.

01:35:59.000 Listen, it's a deal.

01:36:00.000 They got a deal.

01:36:01.000 He's fishing.

01:36:02.000 He caught a mermaid.

01:36:03.000 Great.

01:36:04.000 Imagine that photo shoot.

01:36:05.000 That's her idea. 0.50

01:36:06.000 This poor guy wants to go drink martinis, hang out at the beach.

01:36:09.000 There's something about having gravitas that no amount of having sex with a mermaid woman can gravitate by yourself, sitting there with a cigar and a whiskey, looking cool.

01:36:20.000 Hardly.

01:36:21.000 How long do you need to be able to have sex for?

01:36:24.000 I'm waiting for it to go away.

01:36:26.000 At some point, I'm not going to take the blue true when it starts to disappear.

01:36:29.000 I'm happy.

01:36:30.000 Honestly.

01:36:31.000 You say that now.

01:36:32.000 I do say that.

01:36:33.000 Let me go.

01:36:33.000 You say that now.

01:36:34.000 Set me free.

01:36:35.000 It's just a sex impulse.

01:36:37.000 I'm sick of it.

01:36:38.000 You're lying.

01:36:38.000 I am not lying.

01:36:39.000 If I get to be 70 and I cannot get an erection, I will say this is okay.

01:36:44.000 I can do other things with my time again.

01:36:45.000 You definitely can.

01:36:46.000 Yeah, but it'll also mean a decrease in your vitality as a human being, which is not fun because it leads to depression.

01:36:52.000 You're going to be tired all the time.

01:36:53.000 It's all connected, buddy.

01:36:55.000 There's got to be a way to have a fulfilling life and not be horny constantly.

01:36:59.000 No, I haven't found that, but I'm sure it's out there.

01:37:02.000 Of course.

01:37:02.000 There certainly is.

01:37:03.000 There's a lot of people that are completely asexual and they have a fine life.

01:37:07.000 I don't trust them, though.

01:37:09.000 No, it's always weird.

01:37:10.000 But I think it's Bunuel who has a line about like, maybe it's Plato.

01:37:16.000 I don't know, but it's like when I got older and I wasn't horny anymore, it was like being, it was like I was unshackled from a madman.

01:37:23.000 Right.

01:37:24.000 Well, didn't.

01:37:27.000 Was it Tesla that did that?

01:37:28.000 Okay.

01:37:29.000 There was some references to Tesla in quotes destroying his manhood because he had gotten some sort of infatuation with a woman at one point in time and apparently was ruining his life.

01:37:42.000 So this is a weird thing about Tesla.

01:37:44.000 There's a lot of like fake stories about him.

01:37:47.000 So it's hard to separate the wheat from the shaft.

01:37:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:51.000 Wheat from the shaft.

01:37:52.000 But he did fall in love with a pigeon.

01:37:54.000 Okay.

01:37:55.000 Tesla had a pigeon that he loved dearly.

01:37:56.000 Didn't I bring that up when they said he had a limitless source of energy that he had access to?

01:38:00.000 Then I was going, man, he fell in love with a pigeon and it made him destroy his penis. 0.89

01:38:03.000 No, I think the woman made him destroy his penis. 1.00

01:38:06.000 I don't know if he, what he did.

01:38:08.000 You know, he might have taken something to like chemically castrate him.

01:38:11.000 They used to do that to pedophile priests. 0.99

01:38:13.000 Yeah, they give them like saltpeter to keep them from being.

01:38:17.000 I don't know what you know what salt peter is.

01:38:18.000 No, I don't know saltpeter, but I know about the castration of people.

01:38:21.000 Yeah, oh, that too.

01:38:22.000 So, I mean, maybe personally, castrated.

01:38:24.000 What is saltpeter?

01:38:25.000 It's something that they used to give priests to keep them from getting horny.

01:38:30.000 I don't know what it is.

01:38:31.000 It would kill their desires.

01:38:33.000 What was it called?

01:38:34.000 It's called saltpeter.

01:38:36.000 I think it like spelled Peter.

01:38:37.000 I was just looking at before I get to that.

01:38:39.000 Nikola Tesla reportedly died a virgin.

01:38:44.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 So that lady that he was infatuated with probably the first time he got rock hard. 0.98

01:38:49.000 Salt Peter's potassium nitrate.

01:38:51.000 He was using his energy for other things.

01:38:52.000 He definitely was.

01:38:53.000 He was having a fulfilling life.

01:38:54.000 And he definitely is doing well, was doing well doing that.

01:38:57.000 Like, that probably would have stolen a lot of resources from his inventing.

01:39:01.000 And so, what is salt?

01:39:03.000 Can you put saltpeter up so we can see what it does?

01:39:06.000 I don't know.

01:39:07.000 Let's see what it does here.

01:39:10.000 Saltpeter, primarily potassium nitrate, a natural mineral historically crucial for gunpowder, but also used today as a fertilizer, fruit preservative, curing meats, and for sensitive teeth and asthma relief.

01:39:22.000 It's a source of nitrogen mined from caves or made by mixing nitrates.

01:39:27.000 And while once believed in aphrodisiac, it's a myth, though its curing role is real.

01:39:32.000 Aphrodisiac?

01:39:33.000 Yeah, that's the opposite of what you want.

01:39:35.000 Right.

01:39:36.000 Now, please put into perplexity.

01:39:41.000 Where does the story, or where does the whatever, the issue with saltpeter and priests come from?

01:39:51.000 Like, where does that story come from?

01:39:53.000 Because I remember hearing that when we were kids, that they would take a pedophile priest and they'd give them saltpeter.

01:39:58.000 And we're like, what?

01:39:59.000 The myth associating saltpeter with suppressing priest sexual urges stems from medieval and Renaissance beliefs.

01:40:06.000 That's how old I am, son.

01:40:08.000 When I was a kid, they were talking in medieval and renaissance beliefs in alchemy and folk medicine.

01:40:13.000 During that era, saltpeter was prescribed in mineral baths or potions as an infallible cure for victims of love potions.

01:40:22.000 Oh, it was a cure of love potion.

01:40:24.000 You got hit with a love potion alongside substances like alum, antimony, and sulfur.

01:40:30.000 This notion evolved into broader folklore claims of its anaphrodisiac properties.

01:40:36.000 Never seen that word before.

01:40:38.000 Later applied to institutions like militaries, prisons, and monasteries, though no historical evidence ties it specifically to priests' food.

01:40:46.000 So here's the thing: if it gives you nitrogen and it like thought of as an aphrodisiac, you don't want to give that to a pedophile, right?

01:40:53.000 Is that like did the pedophiles trick them?

01:40:57.000 Did they trick them and say, you know what?

01:40:58.000 If you give me this, it'll kill my dick.

01:41:00.000 Meanwhile, it's like their gas station powder pills.

01:41:05.000 You know, the on the like medieval medicine, they were still bleeding people until like the 1870s.

01:41:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:11.000 I was reading about that this week.

01:41:12.000 Someone, some famous person, that's how he died.

01:41:15.000 Was it George Washington?

01:41:17.000 Wasn't it?

01:41:18.000 Did they bled him too much?

01:41:19.000 I think George Washington insisted on them bleeding him more than the physician advised.

01:41:24.000 Bloodletting?

01:41:25.000 Bloodletting.

01:41:26.000 Wasn't it George Washington?

01:41:26.000 Yeah.

01:41:28.000 Shane knows a lot about Washington.

01:41:31.000 He that's like he hasn't done it yet, but if ever he decides to do a long form podcast on the Civil War, he should do a long form podcast on history.

01:41:43.000 I was telling him that.

01:41:43.000 Period.

01:41:45.000 Oh, and his death involved extensive bloodletting.

01:41:48.000 George Washington, a common 18th-century medical practice that likely hasened his demise from a throat infection.

01:41:56.000 The query George Washington bloodletting appears to be a misspelling.

01:42:00.000 I accepted it too fast.

01:42:01.000 No worries.

01:42:02.000 Bloodletting practice.

01:42:03.000 Doctors bled.

01:42:03.000 Why did they include that in AI?

01:42:05.000 AI is correcting you.

01:42:06.000 They're fucking.

01:42:06.000 No, it looks like you've fucked up real activity.

01:42:08.000 Looks like AI is kind of fucking with you a little.

01:42:11.000 Doctors bled multiple blood Washington multiple times on December 14th, 1799, removing about 80 ounces, roughly 40% of his blood volume.

01:42:20.000 Imagine they thought it was a good idea to take your blood out while you're dying.

01:42:24.000 Like for hundreds of years, they were doing it.

01:42:26.000 Fuck.

01:42:28.000 And maybe it does have some benefits that I should look into.

01:42:31.000 I doubt it.

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:34.000 She's got a throat infection.

01:42:35.000 They take your blood out.

01:42:36.000 Imagine the days when they hadn't figured out antibiotics yet.

01:42:41.000 Well, we get to enjoy them for a while.

01:42:42.000 I mean, at some point they'll stop working, right?

01:42:44.000 Like we'll get.

01:42:44.000 Some of them.

01:42:45.000 I mean, there's resistant strains of MRSA.

01:42:49.000 You know, MRSA is staph infection that you can't cure with antibiotics.

01:42:53.000 It's very dangerous.

01:42:54.000 When people get it, I've had friends that got it.

01:42:56.000 It's horrific.

01:42:57.000 It eats holes in your body.

01:42:59.000 I had a buddy of mine who had it done on his knee, his whole knee.

01:43:02.000 Like he was at the hospital, and he sent me a picture of them, what they had done to his knee.

01:43:06.000 They had split his knee open down the middle.

01:43:09.000 They pulled it open to clean it all out and disinfect it.

01:43:12.000 It was so insanely infected from this medical resistant staph infection.

01:43:18.000 So he was on an IV drip 24 hours a day.

01:43:21.000 He stayed in the hospital for weeks for this fucking infection.

01:43:24.000 So we didn't have that kind of staph infection before antibiotics.

01:43:27.000 Right.

01:43:27.000 It's a major cause of death in this country.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 And in the food, right?

01:43:32.000 Like it's in the meat.

01:43:33.000 What is?

01:43:34.000 Antibiotics.

01:43:35.000 Like we feed.

01:43:36.000 I remember someone saying, like, that's the real problem is that we're giving it to like the cows.

01:43:40.000 We just put it in their feed.

01:43:41.000 Well, I think the reason they do it, supposedly, there's a lot of companies.

01:43:46.000 Like if you get an organic steak, grass-fed, organic, most people believe that that is the healthiest version of beef because that's an animal that's not being given any hormones, not being given any antibiotics, and is eating grass, which is what they're supposed to.

01:44:02.000 Now, when they eat corn, sometimes they get these like weird abscesses and they get like problems digesting.

01:44:09.000 It's not natural food for cows.

01:44:11.000 That's why they get so fat.

01:44:12.000 Like the reason why they get that marbling, that's their gut.

01:44:15.000 They're fucking dying.

01:44:17.000 Like we're giving them terrible food and their meat tastes different.

01:44:20.000 They're like wagyu beef.

01:44:21.000 They're feeding them beer, I think.

01:44:23.000 Oh, bro.

01:44:23.000 They're barely alive.

01:44:24.000 When you see that beautifully marbled piece of wagu beef, that's a very depressed animal.

01:44:29.000 They depressed the fuck out of that thing before it died.

01:44:31.000 I didn't realize they were not feeding cows grass for like until I was in the grocery store and they had like, this is grass-fed milk.

01:44:39.000 It's like, well, what the fuck's the other one?

01:44:41.000 This is news to me.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:44.000 It's interesting because I was reading this thing about certain pasture-raised eggs that you get that are really bright orange.

01:44:54.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 And you think, oh, this is a really healthy egg.

01:44:57.000 Well, what actually was going on was they were feeding the chickens turmeric and they were feeding the chickens a bunch of things that affected the color of their eggs.

01:45:05.000 And these eggs were high in vegetable oils because I think alpha, I don't remember what acid it is.

01:45:15.000 Alpha lipoic?

01:45:16.000 What is it?

01:45:17.000 No, that's a supplement.

01:45:18.000 Whatever it is.

01:45:21.000 They were realizing that the chickens were eating mostly grain.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 And then they were making it look like they were eating all these insects, which is usually what you get when you get a chicken that has like a real rich, like a natural raised chicken.

01:45:33.000 It's just a rich orange yolk.

01:45:36.000 That thing's eating bugs and all kinds of stuff.

01:45:38.000 That's what it's supposed to eat.

01:45:40.000 So they were like pretending by giving these chickens turmeric that would make their yolk like a really bright orange.

01:45:47.000 And then they were giving them corn.

01:45:49.000 So they were pretending these chickens were running around in a pasture, but they were just dumping a pile of things to get them fat as quick as possible and then feeding them some fairy dust that makes their eggs.

01:45:59.000 This is in the same thing as AI for me, where I just want to be in a field, in a cottage.

01:46:05.000 That's my chicken over there.

01:46:07.000 And I know where it is.

01:46:08.000 One day I'll kill that chicken and we'll eat it as a family.

01:46:11.000 Well, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:46:12.000 Living on a farm, especially like a small individual farm, it's probably a very harmonious way to live in nature.

01:46:19.000 But you do have to make a lot of money to like you have to really thrive in the system to go and get that now.

01:46:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:46:25.000 Because that used to be the way poor people lived.

01:46:27.000 Yeah.

01:46:27.000 I yearn to live like a poor person.

01:46:29.000 I think it's harmonious for human beings to live like that.

01:46:33.000 Everybody that I know that lives like that will kind of tell you that it seems right.

01:46:38.000 I think people lived like that for so long.

01:46:39.000 I think it feels normal for them.

01:46:41.000 And they're totally self-sustaining as opposed to someone who just relies on these trucks to keep showing up at the grocery store.

01:46:48.000 I mean, also, like, at some point, I know RFK came in with like trying to do a lot of things to improve the food.

01:46:55.000 And I don't know how many are going through, but at some point, people will get sick enough, I think.

01:47:01.000 You have to have some sort of change.

01:47:02.000 I mean, my wife has become gluten-free since coming to America because she's become gluten-in-chief.

01:47:07.000 Like, she had gluten her whole life.

01:47:09.000 Something in the wheat here.

01:47:10.000 I don't know what they're doing to it.

01:47:11.000 It's a lot of things.

01:47:12.000 It's not good.

01:47:13.000 Well, one of the things is the excessive use of glyphosate.

01:47:16.000 Glyphosate is in a lot of different things.

01:47:18.000 The other things, there's a bunch of chemicals.

01:47:21.000 There's a bunch of different chemicals that they put into modern bread.

01:47:26.000 What was it?

01:47:27.000 Is that one of them?

01:47:27.000 Bromine?

01:47:28.000 There's a guy who we played a video of him breaking it down.

01:47:31.000 Remember that video, Jamie?

01:47:33.000 About what's wrong with bread in America?

01:47:35.000 See if we can find that.

01:47:36.000 It's very enlightening.

01:47:38.000 Because it's one of those things you realize, like, oh, this is all to make it shelf-stable so it stays good forever.

01:47:45.000 And they've made more complex glutens in the wheat because that way you get a higher yield per acre.

01:47:50.000 And they've all made it so it creates all this intolerance.

01:47:53.000 Like you're going to get gut inflammation if you eat too much of it.

01:47:58.000 You feel terrible.

01:47:59.000 Or like it was the only thing people would eat.

01:48:01.000 You would just eat bread and get a loaf of bread for the week and you'd have whatever meat you could have next to it.

01:48:07.000 But like surely we don't need that at this point.

01:48:10.000 Like we can have.

01:48:12.000 The problem is industrial agriculture is kind of taken over in this country.

01:48:17.000 And if you want to make money, that's really kind of the only way to make money farming.

01:48:20.000 It's really difficult to run a regenerative farm and have it be like really profitable the way these enormous industrial farming situations are.

01:48:31.000 You're not supposed to have monocrop agriculture.

01:48:33.000 Like that's crazy.

01:48:34.000 You're not supposed to have a thousand acres of corn just growing together.

01:48:37.000 That's kooky.

01:48:38.000 Like no one has that in the wild.

01:48:40.000 That's not normal.

01:48:41.000 So there's supposed to be genetic diversity.

01:48:42.000 There's supposed to be animal shitting everywhere.

01:48:44.000 It all feeds into each other.

01:48:45.000 That's what they do in regenerative farms, but their yield is so much lower than a farm that stacks all the pigs into a warehouse and has them shit into a lake.

01:48:53.000 I have seen the weird little tunnels where they put the pigs into it.

01:48:57.000 It's not nice.

01:48:57.000 It's disgusting.

01:48:58.000 It's disgusting.

01:49:00.000 But that's how you get Jack in the Box on every corner.

01:49:03.000 That's how you feed a million people that aren't growing.

01:49:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:07.000 No, I'm not suggesting you lose Jack in the Box or any of these places.

01:49:07.000 You don't.

01:49:12.000 But I'm just saying that we've kind of painted ourselves into a corner where you have no one working in food production.

01:49:20.000 You have a small amount of people in these cities that even understand where their food is coming from.

01:49:25.000 Everybody's just assuming it's going to show up.

01:49:27.000 You're going to go to the nice restaurant, you sit there, and you have a filet mignon and a glass of wine.

01:49:31.000 You have no idea where anything came from, and you don't have to.

01:49:34.000 But that's a luxury that most people don't realize is a luxury until something like the pandemic happens and everything shuts down.

01:49:41.000 And then you go, oh, no food's coming in.

01:49:43.000 Where do we get food?

01:49:44.000 Oh, my God, we have to learn how to hunt.

01:49:46.000 like the AI hope right is that it takes care of all the like we can return we can have super abundance and we can return to an organic Well, the first thing I would say to AI is how do you fix crime-ridden cities?

01:49:57.000 How do you do that?

01:49:58.000 How do you do that ethically?

01:49:59.000 You may not like the answer it gives you.

01:50:00.000 Well, I don't want it to get rid of it.

01:50:01.000 You might say there are men with hoods.

01:50:03.000 Here it is.

01:50:03.000 Let's play this.

01:50:07.000 No problem.

01:50:09.000 I was gluten-free in 15 years.

01:50:11.000 I've been gluten-free.

01:50:12.000 In Carnot, America.

01:50:18.000 Can't eat it.

01:50:19.000 That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe.

01:50:23.000 See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain.

01:50:27.000 About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

01:50:34.000 Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize.

01:50:39.000 Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation.

01:50:43.000 But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China.

01:50:53.000 Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

01:50:59.000 So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

01:51:04.000 The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate.

01:51:09.000 This isn't bread.

01:51:10.000 This is.

01:51:12.000 I need somebody.

01:51:12.000 That's it.

01:51:13.000 I like that they had sweet dreams playing in the background there.

01:51:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I will look when I'm back in Australia.

01:51:19.000 I will look forward to having normal bread, human bread.

01:51:21.000 It's so fucked up.

01:51:22.000 So fucked up.

01:51:23.000 Got escape bread.

01:51:24.000 Food.

01:51:25.000 It's the same thing they've done to our governmental systems.

01:51:29.000 It's like money.

01:51:30.000 Money gets in.

01:51:31.000 These whores. 1.00

01:51:33.000 They ruin it all.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, you guys, I mean, whores. 1.00

01:51:37.000 Money is also great.

01:51:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:38.000 I'm not against money.

01:51:40.000 You should buy.

01:51:41.000 I'm a little bit against money.

01:51:43.000 Are you?

01:51:43.000 In what way?

01:51:46.000 I don't want to make decisions in my life about how to, what would result in having more money.

01:51:50.000 You've got to be able to provide for your family.

01:51:52.000 But I think you see enough people in this business sell out.

01:51:56.000 And people have really lost the language of selling out.

01:51:58.000 Like, it's gone.

01:51:59.000 Like, in the 90s, everyone, that guy's a fucking sellout.

01:52:01.000 That guy's doing, you know, you'd do the wrong sort of music on an album and people would accuse you of selling out.

01:52:05.000 So I'm not advocating for that.

01:52:07.000 But like, I mean, there are definitely people out there doing ads for things that it's nuts that they're getting away with it.

01:52:17.000 Like people who do, like rich guys who are doing gambling commercials.

01:52:21.000 And I don't mind gambling.

01:52:22.000 I'm open to gambling.

01:52:23.000 I enjoy gambling.

01:52:24.000 We do gambling.

01:52:25.000 It's like commercials.

01:52:26.000 We do gambling commercials on this podcast.

01:52:28.000 And I may be open to doing it myself in the future.

01:52:30.000 But when I do see Samuel L. I don't even mind that as much.

01:52:35.000 But why is it different than Samuel Jackson reading for a gambling?

01:52:40.000 I don't know DraftKings enough, but there are things like in Australia we've got Bet365, which is like they've turned it into a social media app slash gambling software.

01:52:49.000 Okay.

01:52:50.000 So it's where you go to socialize and gamble at the same time.

01:52:53.000 And that does give me a strong ick factor.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, Russell was talking about that, the problem in Australia with gambling as well.

01:52:59.000 I don't see anything.

01:53:01.000 When I look at bookie apps in America and things, it's just like I'd like to put a bet on that.

01:53:05.000 And I get money if it wins and not if it loses.

01:53:07.000 We're in a more strange advanced.

01:53:10.000 We've been doing it for a bit longer and it's further down the line.

01:53:13.000 DraftKings has all that kind of stuff where you could bet on weird prop bets.

01:53:17.000 Yeah, and you can do multi-bets and things like that.

01:53:19.000 But I don't think it has affected the character of men in this country the same way that it's done in Australia.

01:53:23.000 We have more freedom.

01:53:24.000 You guys are little children over there.

01:53:26.000 It's also our only outlet.

01:53:27.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:53:28.000 Is gambling.

01:53:28.000 Like, I think we out-gamble Singapore.

01:53:31.000 We're number one in the world per capita.

01:53:32.000 No, we put you to shame.

01:53:33.000 But like, you guys can have a sign of people in distress.

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 Gambling?

01:53:38.000 Yeah.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, we're.

01:53:40.000 The country's in distress.

01:53:42.000 That's why you guys have a gambling problem.

01:53:43.000 I mean, we really have a fucking huge gambling problem.

01:53:47.000 It's that bad.

01:53:48.000 It's really that bad.

01:53:49.000 It's just, it makes it hard to have a conversation with a guy.

01:53:52.000 Look at.

01:53:52.000 Really?

01:53:54.000 72.8% of Australian adults gambled within the previous 12 months.

01:53:58.000 80.5% for men and 66.2% for women.

01:54:01.000 Look at that.

01:54:02.000 38% of Australian gambled at least once per week.

01:54:05.000 48% of men and 28% for women.

01:54:08.000 28% for women.

01:54:09.000 When you see a woman who's betting on sports, something inside of you goes, What are you doing? 1.00

01:54:16.000 This is our horrible thing.

01:54:16.000 Having fun.

01:54:17.000 No, what the fuck up to?

01:54:19.000 I have been to your pokey rooms in America. 0.86

01:54:21.000 That's what we call them.

01:54:22.000 Like in a casinos.

01:54:23.000 We call them pokey rooms.

01:54:24.000 Pokey?

01:54:25.000 Yeah, the pokeys.

01:54:26.000 Like the raw fish?

01:54:28.000 You're like poking on the machine all the time.

01:54:30.000 That's why we call them the pokeys. 0.96

01:54:32.000 But like in America, you'll be at a casino and the floor has all these fruit machines.

01:54:35.000 Pokies.

01:54:36.000 But like people are still like smiling and talking to each other.

01:54:36.000 Yeah.

01:54:39.000 In every pub in Australia, there's like a back room where sad, twisted old people are just like sitting in front of a machine. 1.00

01:54:46.000 Yeah.

01:54:46.000 Hours.

01:54:47.000 They get that in Vegas too.

01:54:49.000 It's just extracting money.

01:54:51.000 It's sucking bright lights in there and extracting money and it makes your dull life a little bit more exciting.

01:54:51.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 20% of the world's slot machines are in Australia.

01:54:59.000 Yo, you guys are buck wild.

01:54:59.000 Yeah.

01:55:01.000 No, it's that's why they keep you broke.

01:55:05.000 But also, yeah, if I've had a couple of drinks and it's a Friday night, I'll go and play the Indian Dreaming.

01:55:05.000 I'm against it.

01:55:10.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:55:11.000 You're smart enough to not get fully addicted to playing those machines.

01:55:15.000 But not everybody gets it.

01:55:16.000 It's a smart thing.

01:55:17.000 I think I have enough going on in my life.

01:55:19.000 Definitely.

01:55:21.000 There are smarter people than me who have been lost to it.

01:55:24.000 But that's all it, right?

01:55:25.000 Like, you don't need a distraction.

01:55:26.000 Your distraction is the thing you're enjoying in your life.

01:55:29.000 You've got a lot of things going on in your life.

01:55:31.000 You don't want to do that.

01:55:32.000 If I wasn't doing stand-up and if I wasn't doing, if I didn't have a loving family.

01:55:36.000 And you had a shitty job.

01:55:37.000 Oh, man.

01:55:38.000 When I did have a shitty job, I was a door-to-door salesman and I was buying the scratch-off cards every day.

01:55:43.000 Every single day I would buy them.

01:55:44.000 And I didn't know why I was doing it at first.

01:55:47.000 Well, I'm knocking on people's doors and trying to give them cable television when they don't want it.

01:55:51.000 I'm going to need a little something to help.

01:55:54.000 A man, I think I started drinking in the afternoons.

01:55:56.000 Really?

01:55:57.000 Because you hated it.

01:55:58.000 I hated it.

01:55:59.000 It made me loose when I went to knock on the doors and try and give genuine.

01:56:03.000 They would take us out to like the worst remote communities because they'd go, these people will buy.

01:56:10.000 The nastier the neighborhood, the more people are likely to buy from a salesman.

01:56:13.000 The less they have in their life.

01:56:15.000 You'd try and go to a middle-class neighborhood.

01:56:17.000 No one would talk to you.

01:56:17.000 You'd go out to weird, remote poverty.

01:56:20.000 And boy, I sold a lot of cable television.

01:56:23.000 Really?

01:56:23.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 Was it dangerous?

01:56:26.000 Yeah.

01:56:30.000 Because you're knocking on the doors of like, I went up to Port Augusta in the worst neighborhoods there.

01:56:34.000 This is like hours and hours away from a major city.

01:56:38.000 And the company I was doing it for, like I said, we looked up the poverty statistics and we're sending you to the worst possible places because you'll sell more there.

01:56:50.000 I remember there was an Irish lady who got attacked who was working with us. 0.96

01:56:54.000 I don't think I ever – I had, like, weird things happen where people – you'd have to go into someone's house and there'd be, like, weird stuff on the floor.

01:57:01.000 I went into one person's house and there was a woman passed out on the floor bleeding. 0.92

01:57:04.000 And they were all just like, she's fine.

01:57:06.000 Don't worry about her.

01:57:07.000 Where was she bleeding from?

01:57:08.000 What part?

01:57:09.000 What?

01:57:09.000 Her head.

01:57:10.000 Yeah, she was apparently all right and she was, but she was passed out. 0.99

01:57:12.000 I don't know what happened.

01:57:13.000 What do you mean?

01:57:14.000 She's bleeding from her head and she's. 0.99

01:57:14.000 All right. 0.99

01:57:16.000 It wasn't like a huge amount of blood, but she was on the floor and there was blood.

01:57:19.000 And they just assumed she was okay?

01:57:21.000 I made it out of there quick smart.

01:57:23.000 They were like, she's fine.

01:57:24.000 Don't you worry about it.

01:57:25.000 I don't know why this is coming back to me now.

01:57:27.000 I haven't thought about that in about 10 years.

01:57:29.000 Did you think that maybe they hit her?

01:57:31.000 And then maybe you were a witness to it?

01:57:32.000 Or maybe they killed her and they were going to have to kill you?

01:57:34.000 I don't know why this is dribbling out of me now.

01:57:37.000 She had a beard.

01:57:37.000 I definitely saw her.

01:57:38.000 I remember, and she was a, they were very calm about it.

01:57:43.000 They were relaxed and they wanted to keep having a conversation about buying the cable television and how that would let them watch the football.

01:57:49.000 And that she was okay and I wasn't to worry about her.

01:57:52.000 And I think I got out of there and kept knocking on people's doors.

01:57:56.000 I don't think I called anybody.

01:57:57.000 Whoa.

01:57:58.000 Sorry.

01:57:59.000 I didn't know where that was buried.

01:58:03.000 Maybe she's fine.

01:58:04.000 Maybe she's a drama queen. 1.00

01:58:06.000 Maybe she hit her head on purpose and then fell down.

01:58:08.000 I mean, I was seeing a lot of passed out people in the streets there.

01:58:12.000 Drunks and drugs and yeah.

01:58:15.000 Did you ever almost get robbed or anything?

01:58:18.000 I don't think I got threatened.

01:58:23.000 There was a guy who was having sex one time and was very unhappy that I was kept knocking on his door.

01:58:29.000 And I thought he was going to hit me.

01:58:31.000 But that was about as bad as it got.

01:58:32.000 Did he come out with his dong hanging out? 0.96

01:58:34.000 He was grabbing his pants in a weird way.

01:58:37.000 His lady had been at home and she said, come back when my husband's home at this time.

01:58:42.000 And then he can decide if he's going to buy it.

01:58:44.000 And then I came back right at that time.

01:58:45.000 And I think he just got right home and started, right now, let's do it.

01:58:49.000 And then he was like, get the fuck out.

01:58:51.000 Australian men being angry is we go into a new gear of like lack of control.

01:58:57.000 Well, it's a prison population originally.

01:58:59.000 And we like that.

01:59:00.000 We don't want to be free.

01:59:02.000 We want a nice warden who's going to take care of it for us.

01:59:05.000 But you don't.

01:59:07.000 No, there are many things that are upsetting me about going back.

01:59:11.000 You've got to become king of Australia going back.

01:59:13.000 If they'll have me, I'm thinking of running for the Senate.

01:59:16.000 You might win.

01:59:17.000 I've got policy.

01:59:18.000 The Senate's more winnable in Australia.

01:59:20.000 Are you seriously thinking about running for the Senate?

01:59:22.000 We have like 12 people from each state.

01:59:24.000 It's my fantasy.

01:59:24.000 One day.

01:59:25.000 Really?

01:59:26.000 In each state, there's like 12 people who get to be the senator from there.

01:59:29.000 And in a double dissolution, you only need like 8% of the vote to get into the Senate.

01:59:34.000 And if you're in a small state, that's not a huge number of people.

01:59:36.000 So we get wacky people going to the Senate.

01:59:39.000 And it effectively has the same job that the American Senate has.

01:59:43.000 Like, it's a huge amount of power.

01:59:45.000 And you get to veto things.

01:59:46.000 You get to do inquiries into stuff.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, we've had Pauline Hansen is there at the moment. 1.00

01:59:51.000 She's been there for a while.

01:59:52.000 We had Jackie Lambie for a long time.

01:59:54.000 We get nutty, interesting people in the Senate.

01:59:56.000 It's the only bit where a bit of life and color gets into our politics.

02:00:01.000 Because we've got, yeah, our house, our lower house is not as exciting as yours.

02:00:06.000 You get more.

02:00:07.000 You get, what's it, Jasmine Crockett?

02:00:09.000 You get Jasmine Crockett's in your parliament.

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:12.000 You don't have to not as much.

02:00:15.000 How locked down is politics in Australia?

02:00:19.000 So locked down.

02:00:19.000 Yeah.

02:00:22.000 So it's not first.

02:00:24.000 You guys vote and you just go first past the post.

02:00:27.000 And if you get, you know, if someone gets 50% of the vote, that's it.

02:00:29.000 They've got it.

02:00:30.000 We do ranked voting.

02:00:31.000 So it's like you put in six, there's six people, you put them in order, and then like kind of the least bad one, the one that the least number of people dislike, gets in.

02:00:42.000 So you get really boring people.

02:00:43.000 And also the parties don't primary.

02:00:45.000 And this is, I keep talking about how this is great in America.

02:00:48.000 You're like the only country that does this.

02:00:50.000 Well, that was why it was a real problem that the Democrats didn't do it.

02:00:52.000 They didn't do it at the presidency.

02:00:56.000 They didn't do it legitimately since 2016.

02:00:59.000 But on a local level, some of them.

02:01:00.000 Even 2016, it wasn't.

02:01:02.000 AOC can get in to be her. 1.00

02:01:04.000 Sure.

02:01:05.000 Like, that's even that level of public involvement is globally unheard of.

02:01:11.000 No one else is doing that.

02:01:12.000 Right.

02:01:12.000 Fetterman, those kind of people.

02:01:14.000 Federman should not.

02:01:16.000 Like, you just look on a paper.

02:01:17.000 There's no way the Democrats wanted him to be their guy.

02:01:19.000 There's no way the people in charge of that party said, I think this is a guy who's going to toe the party line.

02:01:24.000 Well, I think once he got in, he became much more aware of how corrupt the system was.

02:01:30.000 Like, talking to him was interesting.

02:01:32.000 He's a very nice guy, by the way.

02:01:33.000 Like, a real genuine nice guy.

02:01:35.000 And I've run into him in other places.

02:01:37.000 I ran into him at the inauguration.

02:01:38.000 He was wearing a Carhartt hoodie and shorts at the inauguration.

02:01:43.000 I'm not bullshitting.

02:01:43.000 I gave him a big hug.

02:01:45.000 He's a sweet guy, like a genuinely sweet guy.

02:01:47.000 And I think he got into that system and he's like, hey, this is not what I like.

02:01:51.000 That guy's been doing like charity work his whole life.

02:01:54.000 He's like a genuinely good person.

02:01:56.000 And he got into it.

02:01:57.000 He's like, this is not what I signed up for.

02:02:00.000 This whole thing is fucking crazy.

02:02:02.000 Like when he also had the brain thing happen.

02:02:06.000 And then he I watched that debate that he won.

02:02:11.000 Like, I don't know how bad.

02:02:13.000 Is it Dr. Oz that he was up against?

02:02:15.000 Yes.

02:02:15.000 That's got to hurt when you go up against a guy who temporarily can't talk at all.

02:02:20.000 Yeah.

02:02:21.000 Well, he has a struggle communicating, but I don't think the struggle.

02:02:25.000 He's way better now.

02:02:26.000 Yes.

02:02:26.000 But I don't think the struggle is a thinking thing.

02:02:30.000 I think it's a communication thing.

02:02:31.000 And it's also like he loses track of what you just said.

02:02:36.000 So, like, he has to have an iPad.

02:02:39.000 So the iPad listens to what you're saying, translates it, writes it out, dictates it.

02:02:43.000 And then he looks to it occasionally.

02:02:45.000 Okay.

02:02:45.000 He's like, I'm sorry.

02:02:47.000 What did you ask me?

02:02:48.000 And then I'll have to repeat the question.

02:02:49.000 But it's not that he's not there.

02:02:51.000 Yeah.

02:02:51.000 It's just there's a misfiring.

02:02:53.000 But when it fires correctly, he's very reasonable.

02:02:56.000 He's very rational, very smart guy.

02:02:58.000 And I think a really good guy.

02:03:00.000 And I think he opened up a lot of people's eyes.

02:03:03.000 Like, well, it is possible for someone to get in on either side and just be rational and just have rational positions on things and saying, I'm not going to just vote the way everybody votes because I don't agree with that.

02:03:17.000 I think there's a much more nuanced view of the world.

02:03:20.000 And so a lot of people on the right like him because he broke party lines, you know?

02:03:26.000 I remember there was like Obama came in and tried to do that immediately when he was a senator.

02:03:32.000 And I was reading a thing about how like people just took him aside and said, you absolutely don't fucking do that.

02:03:37.000 You have to stop doing that now.

02:03:39.000 We want you to be the future of this party.

02:03:39.000 Okay.

02:03:41.000 Shut up. 0.95

02:03:41.000 But there must be huge pressures on people not to be individuals. 0.95

02:03:44.000 There was huge pressures on Tulsi Gabber to not even communicate with people on the other side.

02:03:48.000 She would bring them cookies and shit and just be nice. 1.00

02:03:50.000 She's like, sweet lady.

02:03:52.000 She just wanted to be friends with everybody.

02:03:53.000 And they were like, we don't do it that way.

02:03:56.000 I mean, John McCain seemed to do a lot of weird, he would hang out.

02:03:59.000 He would be on both sides of the aisle.

02:04:01.000 People liked him.

02:04:02.000 There are a couple of individuals.

02:04:03.000 Yeah, there's a couple individuals that have made like little crossovers, you know, a little bit.

02:04:09.000 And, you know.

02:04:10.000 You could ban the party system.

02:04:12.000 I'd be open to that.

02:04:13.000 Well, you need more than two.

02:04:14.000 That's the real problem.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 The real problem is there's only two legitimate ones.

02:04:18.000 If someone's an if you vote libertarian, you're essentially voting protest.

02:04:22.000 You're saying, fuck these guys.

02:04:23.000 And the Green Party.

02:04:23.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 I've done the libertarian thing a few times.

02:04:26.000 It's like, you're just saying, fuck these guys.

02:04:29.000 But then if you can't, like, a two-party system is so easy to rig.

02:04:35.000 I mean, but could you rig a five-party system?

02:04:37.000 If you had seven parties, could you rig that?

02:04:40.000 I don't know.

02:04:41.000 You know, and the thing is, it's like you have the House and you have Congress.

02:04:44.000 It's like the two-party thing is going to be so tough to untangle.

02:04:49.000 You know, it would take some radically popular person who went independent.

02:04:55.000 Who tried?

02:04:57.000 Legs Roosevelt.

02:05:00.000 Ross Perot.

02:05:01.000 Ross Perot.

02:05:02.000 Ross Perot fucked it up for me.

02:05:03.000 Yeah, he came close.

02:05:04.000 But Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt, he got real close.

02:05:07.000 Right, but that was a long time ago and he was Teddy Roosevelt.

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 But he won seats.

02:05:12.000 He won states, I think.

02:05:13.000 I think he did that whole states.

02:05:14.000 That's crazy.

02:05:15.000 The Dixiecrats did it, but they were never going to pick up that many states. 0.96

02:05:19.000 It would have to be someone like that.

02:05:21.000 Someone that was loved by a giant percentage of the population.

02:05:25.000 Like if some let's make up a fictional person, some amazing Oprah.

02:05:30.000 If Oprah becomes president or wants to run for president and everybody's like, because you remember there was a thing during the Trump administration, the first administration, where I think NBC tweeted, this is our president, and they showed a photo of Oprah.

02:05:43.000 See if you can find that.

02:05:45.000 I'm pretty sure that's true.

02:05:46.000 And I remember thinking, like, this is so crazy that we're looking for another famous person to counteract the famous person.

02:05:53.000 They wanted the rock.

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 Oh, they talked to the rock.

02:05:56.000 They tried to get to the rock.

02:05:57.000 They came to the rock to try to get him to do it.

02:05:59.000 I mean, I don't know what The Rock's politics are.

02:06:02.000 He's, you know, a kind guy who's probably very left on certain things, but also very disciplined.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 Obviously, really admires and believes in hard work and dedication.

02:06:15.000 He'll be a great president if he wanted to do it.

02:06:17.000 Tweet on future Oprah presidency, not meant to be a political statement.

02:06:21.000 Okay, what?

02:06:25.000 They said on Monday that a tweet touting Oprah Winfrey as our future president during the 75 Golden Global Wars was not meant to be a political statement.

02:06:33.000 Of course it is.

02:06:34.000 You literally said president.

02:06:35.000 That makes it political.

02:06:37.000 Our in all capital letters.

02:06:39.000 This is the only one that's capitalized.

02:06:41.000 I really thought it could have been Kanye for a while there.

02:06:43.000 Yeah, he could have made it.

02:06:44.000 His policies were.

02:06:46.000 Some of them were great.

02:06:47.000 Some of them were genuinely good.

02:06:48.000 It's in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement.

02:06:52.000 We have since removed the tweet.

02:06:54.000 Okay, so there was a joke, but it was still a political statement.

02:06:58.000 Come on.

02:06:59.000 Even if it was like in reference to the joke, you saying that in all caps, our president is still a political statement.

02:07:03.000 They've got to find somebody.

02:07:05.000 I mean, just for the future of this, JD Vance can talk to people.

02:07:08.000 I've seen long-form interviews with him where he actually seems like a normal human being.

02:07:11.000 I think there's a lot of people pushing James Tallarico now.

02:07:14.000 You know, we had him on the podcast, too, to talk to him because I've found it.

02:07:17.000 He's the Texas guy.

02:07:18.000 He's a Texas guy who has some really important things to say, particularly about the potential for a religious, like a theocracy in Texas.

02:07:28.000 And that there's these very wealthy Christian fundamentalists that are driving this, like multi-billionaire guys that are driving this.

02:07:35.000 And that's how the Ten Commandments got in schools.

02:07:38.000 And he is a very religious man, and he does not believe the Ten Commandments should be in schools.

02:07:43.000 He believes that if you put the Ten Commandments in schools, it's actually going to push people away from Christianity because you're shoving it in their face.

02:07:49.000 And he's like, and it's also disrespectful to all the other religions.

02:07:52.000 You don't have their tenets and commandments.

02:07:53.000 Have you seen the Ten Commandments in the schools?

02:07:55.000 I have not.

02:07:56.000 We went out to look at some of the schools, and it's fun because they like, they don't just put them up dryly on the wall.

02:08:01.000 Like they have pictures of all the things.

02:08:03.000 All the things you're doing, like sin?

02:08:04.000 Yeah, this is weird when it comes to like, don't covet your neighbor's wife and there has to be like some weird little sexy picture or something.

02:08:11.000 Really?

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 Is she bending over in the garden?

02:08:13.000 I think it was like a woman.

02:08:15.000 Oh.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, that was a strange one.

02:08:18.000 Well, how weird is that?

02:08:18.000 They have to draw it.

02:08:20.000 I think it was a two step.

02:08:21.000 It was just like language.

02:08:22.000 You got to draw it.

02:08:23.000 I think it was in like the Spanish class where they had like, they had it written in Spanish, the Ten Commandments.

02:08:29.000 Anyway, Tallarico is interesting.

02:08:31.000 You know?

02:08:31.000 Yeah.

02:08:32.000 He had a very bizarre argument about abortion that I felt like that doesn't jive with how most people view Christianity.

02:08:40.000 Well, he felt – what did he exactly say that was like super controversial, Jamie?

02:08:44.000 He said, like, somehow or another, that you think that it could be biblically permissible.

02:08:49.000 I've heard this before.

02:08:50.000 I've heard people say that.

02:08:51.000 I don't think it.

02:08:53.000 It doesn't seem to make sense if you really want to live your life biblically.

02:08:57.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:08:58.000 But this is, lefty Christians are always like... 1.00

02:09:00.000 They have to find a...

02:09:01.000 Like people will go, there's nothing in the Bible, there's nothing in scripture that says homosexuality is wrong.

02:09:06.000 And you're like, yeah.

02:09:08.000 Okay, but like, what are we, are you arguing that in like, you know, 2 BC Jerusalem, it was just chill to be a gay guy and they just never wrote it down for some reason?

02:09:21.000 Like, I'm not saying, like, as to how people want to live, that's fine.

02:09:24.000 But don't like come in and say the religion insists that people be gay or that like that the trans thing is actually fine in the Bible because it never says you shouldn't be trans.

02:09:34.000 It's like the absence of something in an old book that hadn't occurred to people is not an argument for its permissibility.

02:09:43.000 There is talk of a man lieth with a man being an abomination.

02:09:46.000 And then they do, but then they go, that's about boys.

02:09:50.000 It's not about men.

02:09:51.000 We've got a very special translation that only we understand.

02:09:55.000 Is that what they say, really?

02:09:56.000 Yeah.

02:09:56.000 They say it's about this is always about boys.

02:09:58.000 This is never about two.

02:09:59.000 But it says man lie with another man.

02:10:01.000 Hey, I don't agree with them.

02:10:03.000 But it's all the like.

02:10:06.000 I think if you're going to have a religion, you should like not just try and twist the religion to be exactly what you think it should be.

02:10:12.000 Right.

02:10:13.000 Like, that's kind of the point of religion is that it's something bigger and stranger than you that you're going to allow to, like, you're going to develop as a person with it rather than correcting it.

02:10:24.000 Well, I think if you look historically just in this country, the attitude that we had about gay people in this country was terrible, like in the 1930s and 40s and 50s.

02:10:36.000 It was terrible.

02:10:37.000 Right.

02:10:37.000 Yeah.

02:10:38.000 And then somewhere along the line, there's the gay rights movement.

02:10:42.000 And then ultimately, in modern times, gay marriage.

02:10:46.000 So there's this progression where people realize like, hey, they're just gay.

02:10:50.000 Like, it's always existed.

02:10:52.000 But people had to hide it forever.

02:10:55.000 Like, you know, the Turing test story, right?

02:10:57.000 Alan Turing, the guy who invented the title.

02:10:58.000 Do you think that as to whether the AI, you can tell if it's a person.

02:11:02.000 Well, that guy was fed chemical castration drugs because he was gay in England in the 1950s.

02:11:02.000 Yes.

02:11:02.000 Yeah.

02:11:09.000 Right?

02:11:10.000 So at some point in time, I think you have to take into consideration how long being gay was punished before people eventually just got to this realization.

02:11:22.000 Like you meet enough gay people, you know enough gay people, you have a gay kid, whatever.

02:11:26.000 You realize like some people are just gay.

02:11:28.000 There are obviously people who are attracted to people of this action.

02:11:31.000 100%.

02:11:32.000 That's all it is.

02:11:34.000 And it's like you have to look at things through a cultural lens as much as you have to look at through a biblical lens.

02:11:41.000 Because it's not all God's word.

02:11:44.000 It's God's word written down by people.

02:11:46.000 And some of it is like, some of it is just so.

02:11:49.000 That's very Catholic of you.

02:11:51.000 That's the Catholic coming out. 0.97

02:11:52.000 You have to look at it that way.

02:11:54.000 It's like there's just so much in it that doesn't make any sense.

02:11:58.000 There's context and there's tradition.

02:11:59.000 And there's also translations.

02:12:01.000 This is what I like about the Catholic.

02:12:03.000 I became a Catholic like eight years ago, seven, nine.

02:12:07.000 It was a number of years ago.

02:12:08.000 I'm forgetting how many years.

02:12:09.000 But I had been like sort of nothing and then sort of a Unitarian.

02:12:13.000 But I like this thing of like.

02:12:15.000 What brought you from sort of nothing to belief?

02:12:20.000 I'd always believed there was something, but then I started going to Mass because a friend was going.

02:12:24.000 And when I was on the road years before, I would like be off on the road on a Sunday and have nothing to do.

02:12:29.000 So I went to mega churches for fun because they were very funny and very strange. 0.98

02:12:34.000 What are megachurches like in Australia?

02:12:37.000 We invented it.

02:12:37.000 We got it going.

02:12:38.000 Really?

02:12:39.000 Hillsong is that you guys probably invented it, but we took it to another level.

02:12:42.000 We did Hillsong.

02:12:43.000 Which Hillsong?

02:12:44.000 Hillsong was the biggest one by far.

02:12:46.000 Justin Bieber was a Hillsong guy.

02:12:47.000 That's Australian.

02:12:48.000 That's Australian.

02:12:49.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:12:50.000 Australian New Zealand guys and the guitar music and the smoke machines and the doing this.

02:12:55.000 Oh, and you guys brought that over to America?

02:12:57.000 Yeah, I'm very sorry.

02:12:58.000 Wow.

02:12:59.000 I'm not a big...

02:13:00.000 But I would turn up there or a little Baptist church or something, but I would shop around and try, you know, who's got something going on.

02:13:08.000 But the megachurches offended me more than anything.

02:13:10.000 It was like, whatever is happening here is weird and gross and I don't like it.

02:13:15.000 Like they would have two pastors come out and they'd like riff and banter together.

02:13:20.000 And it was like a breakfast radio show.

02:13:23.000 Wow.

02:13:23.000 They're going like, and they'd have like big projectors.

02:13:26.000 And I started going to the, I was a, I went to the Latin Mass and it was like, oh, this is a very strange ancient ritual with like bells and I don't understand what anyone is saying.

02:13:35.000 Right.

02:13:36.000 And I just wanted to keep going.

02:13:39.000 I love it.

02:13:40.000 I love it.

02:13:40.000 And the organ and the choir.

02:13:42.000 I think you made a really good point, too, about people coming in to this candle-lit room and everything's beautiful and ornate.

02:13:50.000 And just that alone probably has a profound effect on your psyche.

02:13:54.000 Yeah.

02:13:55.000 They must have known that, right?

02:13:57.000 They must have known that when they're creating these incredible a stained glass window, yeah, you haven't looked at a picture or a television screen ever, right?

02:14:06.000 And then you go into a building where there is light shining out of a man's face, and it's Jesus, yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's statues of him with covered in blood, yeah.

02:14:14.000 The throw the he's got he's on the cross right in front of you with the thorns dripping blood, and you're like, Holy shit, this is what I mean, though, about losing where it's okay with the AI.

02:14:23.000 That's the Catholic thing, they always put him on there, he's always suffering.

02:14:26.000 Yeah, and at the megachurches, they take him off, they go, it's a big plus sign out the front.

02:14:30.000 What do you know?

02:14:32.000 Like, if at a Protestant church, they will have they'll have a cross, but there's no one dying on that cross.

02:14:37.000 It's just empty, it's just only the Catholics that have Jesus actually nailed to it. 0.98

02:14:41.000 I think the Orthodox do it as well, but like all the Protestant megachurch people, they never show it.

02:14:45.000 That's interesting because they're winners, they want to go, like, we're increasing, we're getting more stuff.

02:14:50.000 And I don't want to exaggerate, but prosperity gospel people.

02:14:54.000 Lenny Bruce had a great joke about that.

02:14:55.000 What was his?

02:14:56.000 He had a great joke about Jesus coming back and seeing you wearing a cross. 0.56

02:15:00.000 Hold on, he said it's like having an electric chair around your neck.

02:15:03.000 Was that Lenny Bruce?

02:15:04.000 Yeah, and then Bill Hicks had a version of it.

02:15:05.000 Yes, Bill Hicks was like, it's like going up to Jackie with a rifle tended on.

02:15:10.000 We're thinking Ivan Jackie.

02:15:11.000 I remember that bit.

02:15:12.000 They were the oldest stained glass windows in the world, seventh century.

02:15:15.000 Yo, that's what I'm about.

02:15:18.000 Yo, Germany, Bavaria.

02:15:20.000 Wow.

02:15:21.000 They figured it out.

02:15:22.000 They're like, we've got to make this place more colorful, bring in more people.

02:15:24.000 They didn't have pyrotechnics back then.

02:15:27.000 They got to figure out a way to make it more.

02:15:29.000 Because if you see beautiful ancient cathedrals, like one of the things that I really loved about Italy is you could go to these ancient churches and go and look around them.

02:15:39.000 And there's like amazing artwork, amazing, like just the craftsmanship of constructing these incredible buildings.

02:15:47.000 When you go inside of them, it feels like something bigger than you has created this.

02:15:53.000 This is more beautiful and ornate than anything you ever see in your village.

02:15:56.000 Your village is filled with like boring ass houses and like little fucking tables and little chairs and everyone's sitting around eating spaghetti.

02:16:04.000 And then you go to this place and this place is insane.

02:16:07.000 And there's candles and the safety.

02:16:10.000 You're going off and you do this.

02:16:11.000 Yeah.

02:16:12.000 And you put the money in the basket.

02:16:13.000 That's how I felt when I started showing up.

02:16:16.000 That it was some weird alien.

02:16:18.000 It feels like thousands of years old when they're doing it in Latin.

02:16:21.000 And the priest isn't facing you.

02:16:22.000 He's facing away.

02:16:23.000 Like you're all doing something together.

02:16:25.000 Right.

02:16:25.000 And it's mysterious.

02:16:26.000 Have you been to the Vatican?

02:16:27.000 Never.

02:16:28.000 Ooh, you should go.

02:16:29.000 I would like to.

02:16:30.000 You need to go.

02:16:31.000 You should just see St. Peter's Basilica in the flesh.

02:16:37.000 It's beyond comprehension.

02:16:39.000 It took hundreds of years to make.

02:16:41.000 The craftsmanship is so exquisite.

02:16:45.000 It's like the artwork is so incredible.

02:16:48.000 You walk, first of all, it's massive.

02:16:50.000 I mean, massive and perfect.

02:16:53.000 You walk around.

02:16:54.000 You're like, what the fuck were you guys doing?

02:16:57.000 Like, who made this?

02:16:59.000 How long did this take?

02:17:01.000 It was Shane's reaction.

02:17:02.000 Every time Shane's talking about it, goes, yeah, we're number one.

02:17:04.000 We're number one, bro.

02:17:05.000 Look at that.

02:17:06.000 Pull up some images of like, look at what it is.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, the wobbly column.

02:17:12.000 God, it's so incredible, man.

02:17:14.000 It's so incredible.

02:17:15.000 And then it shits me when, like, Vatican II, I don't dismiss it.

02:17:20.000 I don't say it was wrong.

02:17:21.000 But when people, you know, like a modern church and it looks like there's a, you know, a carpet and straight walls.

02:17:27.000 Do you know how much time?

02:17:28.000 There's no art on that.

02:17:29.000 That's love.

02:17:30.000 Do you know how much time it takes to make something like that?

02:17:32.000 I mean, that is fantastic artwork.

02:17:36.000 When you walk into that place, it's breathtaking.

02:17:39.000 Like you walk in, you just go, wow.

02:17:42.000 Look how small those people are.

02:17:43.000 Look.

02:17:44.000 Look at the people.

02:17:44.000 Yeah.

02:17:45.000 Those people are walking, dude.

02:17:46.000 Look how tall that ceiling is.

02:17:47.000 Look at the lights.

02:17:48.000 And like acoustically, you can.

02:17:50.000 The guy giving the homily, people can hear him.

02:17:53.000 Yeah.

02:17:54.000 Like it's built in such a way.

02:17:56.000 Like people used to know something about acoustics.

02:17:58.000 Well, you could so psychedelic.

02:18:02.000 It really is.

02:18:03.000 Just looking at the geometric patterns on the columns and the ceiling, it's like it makes you feel like you're tripping.

02:18:10.000 So if you were there and you're like, walk into this place and you lived in some boring ass house, you would really feel like you're in God's house.

02:18:17.000 I mean, it feels like God's house when you're in there.

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:20.000 That's how good.

02:18:21.000 That's how much they believed.

02:18:23.000 They didn't.

02:18:25.000 They didn't cop out on this at all.

02:18:27.000 They went all in.

02:18:28.000 That one right there.

02:18:29.000 I don't like it when people go like the church should melt everything down and give it to the poor.

02:18:29.000 Look at that.

02:18:33.000 Like this is a gift to the poor.

02:18:34.000 If you're poor, you get to go in there and look at that.

02:18:37.000 That's open to everybody.

02:18:38.000 They're not putting that in a private.

02:18:39.000 They should never take that down.

02:18:40.000 Whatever they did to do it, maybe they shouldn't do it again.

02:18:45.000 Wherever they got the bad.

02:18:46.000 It's a better planet for having it there.

02:18:48.000 Well, I mean, the Vatican controlled armies for a long ass time.

02:18:52.000 And it's nuts that it's its own country.

02:18:54.000 That's weird.

02:18:57.000 So they can keep the pedophiles there.

02:18:58.000 No.

02:18:59.000 They don't have to export them.

02:19:02.000 They've tried so hard to crack down on the pedophiles.

02:19:04.000 Oh, good job, guys.

02:19:07.000 Just so crazy that one section of religion is commonly associated with pedophilia.

02:19:14.000 The press was real bad because the scandals were real and there were lots of them.

02:19:18.000 But I would say, I mean, when I talk to priests and I look at Catholic schools and what they've got in place at the moment, I would feel like they're so on top of it.

02:19:27.000 So on top of it.

02:19:28.000 But there are definitely parts of society that in five, ten years, things will start coming up.

02:19:31.000 Listen, man, they catch pedophiles at Nickelodeon.

02:19:34.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 They catch pedophiles.

02:19:35.000 Wherever you see access.

02:19:37.000 There's pedophiles everywhere.

02:19:39.000 There's a certain percentage of our society that's fucking sick and they're sexually attracted to kids.

02:19:44.000 And it's a sick, fucking horrible thing that's real.

02:19:49.000 And it exists all over the place.

02:19:52.000 But the problem is it exists synonymously with the Catholic Church.

02:19:56.000 Because they've hidden those people.

02:19:58.000 They've shielded those people from prosecution.

02:19:59.000 They've taken them and moved them to new places where they molest more kids. 1.00

02:20:04.000 I agree, but I would also say it's the only institution that it was early to declare that that was wrong.

02:20:10.000 Like before the Catholic Church, you had a pagan society where that was not, it was not questioned that that was acceptable. 0.92

02:20:18.000 Like in terms of, like, it introduces the standard by which you can go, it's wrong to be a pedophile.

02:20:18.000 Acceptable.

02:20:24.000 It's wrong to have a boy.

02:20:25.000 Because the Greeks and the Romans were getting up to it. 1.00

02:20:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:28.000 It's not an excuse for people's behavior, but it's part of human nature that's been with us for a long time.

02:20:32.000 Well, I think it was part of their nature also when they would go on army campaigns and there was no women for years at a time. 0.98

02:20:38.000 They just fucked each other. 0.99

02:20:40.000 In the legs. 0.79

02:20:41.000 They fucked each other in the legs. 0.97

02:20:42.000 Into Cural.

02:20:43.000 I'm going to try to get away with that.

02:20:44.000 They're going to squeeze their legs together and use their legs like a titty fuck. 1.00

02:20:47.000 Nice.

02:20:47.000 Yes.

02:20:48.000 Because it was disrespectful to the soldier to put it in his butt.

02:20:51.000 He still has to fight the next day.

02:20:53.000 Oh, really?

02:20:53.000 You don't want him having a mobility issue.

02:20:55.000 So they were just coming each other's legs?

02:20:56.000 In the legs. 0.79

02:20:57.000 That's not that bad.

02:20:59.000 That's just helping out a bro.

02:21:01.000 Worst things happen on butts now. 1.00

02:21:04.000 Well, they also had the concept that if you were fighting next side beside your lover, you would fight harder to protect them than just another man.

02:21:14.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 I mean, we're not getting couples to join up to the military now, though.

02:21:19.000 Well, right now we're not because everyone's soft.

02:21:21.000 But if we were at war, and you know how many guys would go to the game?

02:21:24.000 You go draft men and women?

02:21:26.000 You know how many guys would go gay if you gave them three years with no women at all? 0.96

02:21:29.000 You know, you can just draft a married couple.

02:21:31.000 You're in the same battalion.

02:21:32.000 Military men, hard as a rock all the time, filled with testosterone, running off to some part of the world to kill people.

02:21:39.000 No access to pussy for three years. 1.00

02:21:40.000 It's not going to be 0% go gay.

02:21:43.000 It's going to be a number.

02:21:44.000 I think numbers are huge.

02:21:45.000 There was that test after World War II.

02:21:47.000 See how long it takes for you to go gay? 0.99

02:21:49.000 No, they did a huge—well, kind of, because everyone had just come back from being, you know, like five years together in the war.

02:21:54.000 Gaying it out.

02:21:55.000 And they ran a big, it was like a survey on sexuality and returned servicemen.

02:22:00.000 And it was some huge number of like...

02:22:02.000 Gay guys. 0.98

02:22:03.000 It was not just gay guys, but it was also like bestiality was way bigger. 0.78

02:22:07.000 Because a lot of these guys had grown up on farms and things.

02:22:09.000 And so they're asking, like, have you ever had sex with a chicken?

02:22:11.000 And something like, I'm going to get the numbers wrong.

02:22:13.000 But it's something like 12% of guys being like, yeah.

02:22:16.000 Yes.

02:22:17.000 They fuck a chicken. 1.00

02:22:18.000 I don't want to be getting that wrong.

02:22:20.000 But I think.

02:22:21.000 How many women fucked a chicken? 1.00

02:22:22.000 Zero.

02:22:23.000 No, there's one lady in Thailand. 1.00

02:22:23.000 You know? 1.00

02:22:25.000 She's still doing it to this day. 0.87

02:22:26.000 She's not her idea.

02:22:28.000 It's not out of love.

02:22:28.000 She's not an amateur.

02:22:29.000 Yeah, it wasn't her.

02:22:32.000 The guy that fucked the chicken, that was totally his idea.

02:22:35.000 This is a big thing in your act.

02:22:36.000 This is a through line in your act.

02:22:38.000 Is that like, you're always like, men are the degenerate ones in these.

02:22:41.000 For sure.

02:22:42.000 Well, that is a fact.

02:22:43.000 That's a fact.

02:22:44.000 I mean, we start all the wars.

02:22:47.000 We're responsible for most of the murders.

02:22:50.000 Yeah.

02:22:51.000 Well, one of the funny ones I had a bit about back in the day, I actually had a conversation with this guy.

02:22:51.000 Yeah.

02:22:56.000 He's like, do you know that statistically speaking, more men get raped than women?

02:23:00.000 I'm like, right.

02:23:01.000 By other men.

02:23:02.000 Yeah.

02:23:03.000 You fucking idiot.

02:23:04.000 I'm like, they're not getting raped by cheerleaders.

02:23:06.000 Wait, is that true?

02:23:07.000 Most rape victims are men?

02:23:09.000 Yeah, when you take into account prison.

02:23:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:13.000 See, you take into account, you know, sexual assault and which is just accepted in this.

02:23:18.000 I guess it is.

02:23:19.000 It's like that's part of the punishment that everybody knows is going on in prison.

02:23:23.000 No real efforts to stamp out.

02:23:25.000 Well, this crazy thing is Woke got so far that they let males identify as females, intact males, and go into female prisons because they're air quotes trans.

02:23:36.000 Yeah.

02:23:37.000 Which is the craziest loophole.

02:23:39.000 Like you would never think of all the things they restrict you from doing in jail.

02:23:43.000 You can't even have a phone, but you can go fuck girls and pretend you're a girl. 1.00

02:23:46.000 I mean, once you know that exists as a loophole, you'd be very silly not to take it.

02:23:50.000 Also, you're dealing with people that are fucking liars.

02:23:55.000 They're prisoners.

02:23:56.000 They're in prison.

02:23:57.000 They're criminals.

02:23:58.000 So you're saying they rob banks and sell meth, but they wouldn't lie about their gender.

02:24:02.000 That is an honorary.

02:24:03.000 Has this been stopped now?

02:24:04.000 No.

02:24:05.000 In California, at the time that I read last, there was 47 biological males that are housed in women's prisons with hundreds on the waiting list.

02:24:14.000 But this is happening in...

02:24:15.000 It happens in Canada.

02:24:17.000 There's a lot of it in Canada.

02:24:19.000 I mean, schools is a weird one.

02:24:21.000 We're like, there are single-sex schools, and then they'll have a trans person, and they'll admit them.

02:24:27.000 But like, you can be an M to F and they'll accept you into a girls' school. 0.99

02:24:35.000 But also, if you're a girl at the girls' school and you say, I'm a boy now, they'll keep you at the school. 0.88

02:24:40.000 So like, which, just ideologically, which is it?

02:24:42.000 Because if you are a single-sex school, then if a girl says, I'm transitioning to a boy, you should have to kick him out. 1.00

02:24:48.000 You should say, we believe that you are a boy.

02:24:50.000 Get out of here.

02:24:51.000 You don't belong here.

02:24:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:24:53.000 Like, I don't think there's an intellectual consistency with any of this.

02:24:55.000 No.

02:24:56.000 It's just people going, this is making me uncomfortable.

02:24:58.000 Please do not get angry at me.

02:25:00.000 Yes.

02:25:00.000 I'll give you whatever you want.

02:25:01.000 There's that.

02:25:02.000 And then there's also people that really do feel like they're in the wrong body, right?

02:25:06.000 So those people have always existed.

02:25:08.000 So the question is, what is that?

02:25:10.000 And is it possible that someone would lie about that in order to gain access to the women's room?

02:25:15.000 And that's true.

02:25:16.000 That's a fact.

02:25:17.000 So you always have to look at that.

02:25:18.000 Like, as soon as you say, oh, you have to believe them.

02:25:21.000 Okay, you believe a murderer who's in jail and you're going to pay for his boob job now?

02:25:26.000 Okay.

02:25:26.000 And you're going to let him go into the women's prison?

02:25:28.000 Because that's what's happening in Canada.

02:25:30.000 Right.

02:25:30.000 They're doing that kind of shit.

02:25:31.000 Doesn't everyone feel like they're in the wrong.

02:25:33.000 Like being instantiated in flesh is a weird thing.

02:25:38.000 Like it's uncomfortable to have a body.

02:25:40.000 It aches.

02:25:41.000 It doesn't do the things you tell it to do all the time.

02:25:43.000 Like we're all alienated from our body.

02:25:45.000 And there was an explanation for that for a long time.

02:25:49.000 Like with the gender, with the trans spike, that like this is the thing that is wrong with you. 1.00

02:25:53.000 Is why you're uncomfortable in your brain.

02:25:55.000 But I think the numbers have collapsed in the last well, you know when they collapsed?

02:25:59.000 It coincided with Elon buying Twitter.

02:26:02.000 Okay, I didn't know that.

02:26:03.000 Yeah.

02:26:04.000 Yeah, the post-2024 numbers have dropped off a cliff.

02:26:08.000 When you stop offering that as an explanation, not only that, but you could talk about it now.

02:26:14.000 Whereas before, literally, if you wrote on Twitter that a male could never be a female, you'd be banned.

02:26:23.000 Yeah.

02:26:24.000 That's what happened to Megan Murphy. 1.00

02:26:26.000 They banned her. 1.00

02:26:27.000 They banned her from Twitter by saying a man is never a woman.

02:26:30.000 Well, I remember they were banning people for saying what J.K. Rowling had said, but they're like, we can't get rid of J.K. Rowling because she's too big.

02:26:36.000 It would be completely, it was completely insane because you should be able to talk about anything.

02:26:41.000 And if you're wrong about that, like other people are going to correct you or have a better argument than you have.

02:26:48.000 And that's how you figure out who's right and who's wrong.

02:26:50.000 And for the longest time, there was no talk of D-transitioners being upset.

02:26:54.000 There was no talk of these things are actually chemical castration drugs they used to use on pedophiles.

02:26:59.000 That's what these things are.

02:27:00.000 Rapists and pedophiles used to be forced to take these drugs that you're now giving to pre-pubescent boys.

02:27:05.000 Yeah.

02:27:06.000 Also, the new penises are.

02:27:08.000 Oh, God.

02:27:09.000 I don't want to be sent any more of those.

02:27:11.000 Bro, the new penis.

02:27:12.000 Shane was sending new penises after talking to you.

02:27:14.000 Both of them are.

02:27:14.000 I've seen that.

02:27:15.000 It's genital mutilation.

02:27:18.000 And with a lot of them, that these people have these thoughts about being a girl or being a boy.

02:27:24.000 It turns out they're just gay. 0.99

02:27:26.000 But do you, I mean, but what?

02:27:28.000 Theory, possible theory.

02:27:28.000 All right.

02:27:30.000 Is that the ruling classes have always wanted eunuchs? 1.00

02:27:30.000 Theory. 1.00

02:27:33.000 Oh, God.

02:27:34.000 Like, if you're an emperor of China.

02:27:34.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:27:35.000 Oh, you just put on the full tinfoil hat rolling.

02:27:38.000 Yeah, this is my tinfoil hat moment.

02:27:39.000 You put the whole roll on your head.

02:27:41.000 It's good to have a eunuch advising you because they're calm.

02:27:45.000 We're talking about this before.

02:27:46.000 The sex urge is gone and they can just use all of that.

02:27:48.000 Like a new dog.

02:27:49.000 All dogs are trans. 1.00

02:27:49.000 Yes. 1.00

02:27:50.000 Yes.

02:27:51.000 And so is that the effort?

02:27:53.000 Is that why you want to do it?

02:27:54.000 Is that why we have...

02:27:56.000 Oh, God.

02:27:56.000 I don't think.

02:27:57.000 That's a long-term play that the ruling class are breeding a new eunuch class to advise them and help. 1.00

02:28:02.000 Anyway, it's just a theoretic.

02:28:03.000 Well, I certainly think it's been accelerated by various special interests.

02:28:07.000 And I think some of them are foreign.

02:28:09.000 I think there's a lot.

02:28:11.000 There's real evidence that China and other countries have pushed on social media like trans ideology.

02:28:18.000 Yeah.

02:28:18.000 And also fought against anti-trans people and attacked them online.

02:28:24.000 Like you see it, like these organized hate groups.

02:28:27.000 Not in China, though, only in America.

02:28:28.000 In America.

02:28:29.000 Like doing it in America using different AI programs.

02:28:34.000 But LGBT issues are just one of the many things that they do that with.

02:28:38.000 They do that with immigration. 0.87

02:28:39.000 They do that with USAID.

02:28:40.000 They try to disrupt our system by getting us to argue with each other so they pose as us and argue, you know, and say wild shit.

02:28:47.000 And some of that is being added now that on X, you can see where people are from.

02:28:51.000 It's interesting, right?

02:28:53.000 Yeah.

02:28:55.000 It's interesting.

02:28:55.000 Not everybody looks at it, but when you do look at it, you go, oh, you're in Africa.

02:29:00.000 This is kind of crazy.

02:29:02.000 You're a white nationalist account in China.

02:29:04.000 Yeah, that seems kind of interesting.

02:29:05.000 Yeah, it seems weird.

02:29:06.000 There's a lot of that.

02:29:07.000 Yes, Renee DeResta did some research on that with the Internet Research Agency before the 2016 elections when they were talking about how these foreign countries had these things that were set up that were just designed to put posts on Facebook and memes.

02:29:23.000 And it was just designed to sway the conversation towards a certain direction.

02:29:28.000 And she's like, and the funny thing, she saw thousands and thousands of these memes.

02:29:31.000 She's like, some of them are really funny.

02:29:33.000 Like they're really funny memes.

02:29:34.000 Who's making these?

02:29:35.000 Yeah, who's making these?

02:29:36.000 They're being made in Russia or somewhere.

02:29:39.000 When I'm on the New York Times app, it feels like I know what their agenda is all the time.

02:29:45.000 And it's so nice to be like, I know where that's coming from.

02:29:49.000 I know that.

02:29:51.000 When I'm on X, it's like there's a lot of reality coming at you at once.

02:29:54.000 And then there's also definitely bots on there doing and it's too overwhelmed.

02:30:00.000 It's too overwhelming.

02:30:01.000 I try not to fuck with it anymore.

02:30:03.000 Every time I go on there, I just feel bad.

02:30:05.000 I just feel gross.

02:30:07.000 All of them.

02:30:08.000 All of them.

02:30:09.000 I try to stay off them as much as possible.

02:30:10.000 I feel better when I do.

02:30:12.000 You're in a valuable position of just getting to talk to people who know what's going on.

02:30:16.000 You get to talk to.

02:30:17.000 I remember Christopher Hitchens.

02:30:18.000 Someone asked him, like, what newspapers do you read?

02:30:20.000 And he said, none.

02:30:21.000 I just talk to people who know things that I want to talk to, who I trust who know things.

02:30:25.000 You're a very well-connected.

02:30:26.000 Not everyone gets to.

02:30:28.000 You can have a phone call with an expert in something if you want.

02:30:30.000 That's true.

02:30:31.000 That's a huge plus to doing this.

02:30:34.000 But it's also you have to find out which expert is really honest.

02:30:39.000 You have two different experts.

02:30:40.000 Like if you have some sort of a court case, well, the defense will have an expert and then the prosecution has an expert too.

02:30:46.000 And they disagree.

02:30:47.000 So wait a minute.

02:30:49.000 I thought it was all based on fact and logic and science.

02:30:53.000 Like you guys are, whether it's DNA evidence or all kinds of evidence, there's like experts on both sides.

02:30:59.000 So you're always going to have some kind of dispute.

02:31:03.000 If you have complete, if everybody just like completely agrees with one narrative, there's something probably going on.

02:31:09.000 And generally speaking, what's going on is that they have control over that social media application, like Blue Sky.

02:31:15.000 Blue Sky is a perfect example.

02:31:17.000 If you just go on Blue Sky and type there was only two genders, banned, you're gone.

02:31:21.000 Yeah.

02:31:22.000 You're over.

02:31:22.000 Like they don't fuck around.

02:31:24.000 Which is why that one is being allowed, I think, in Australia.

02:31:26.000 So we're banning X for the under 16s, but Blue Sky is fine.

02:31:29.000 Yeah, you're going to turn people into the most radical of progressives.

02:31:34.000 But they won't be false.

02:31:35.000 They're saying, here are the facts that you can agree on, and then you can have your disagreement within that bubble, but you've got to exist within a shared reality.

02:31:43.000 Right.

02:31:45.000 I'm getting freaked out by the New York Times app, and I don't like it, okay?

02:31:49.000 But so they'll have ads in there.

02:31:51.000 And they have ads for the New York Times in the New York Times app, right?

02:31:55.000 That doesn't seem smart.

02:31:57.000 It's well, they're saying you should buy a friend of yours the New York Times app.

02:32:01.000 Okay?

02:32:02.000 You should pay for them to have it.

02:32:03.000 And then it's like, why should you do that?

02:32:04.000 So you can talk to, so you can understand the news together.

02:32:07.000 So you can share the world together.

02:32:09.000 They're like, isn't it terrible when someone has different facts to you?

02:32:09.000 Right.

02:32:13.000 Let's all have the same facts so that we can know our children again.

02:32:17.000 You should buy your children the New York Times app and bring them under the safe, warm umbrella.

02:32:22.000 And it is when I'm on there, it's like being in a weird bath or something where it's like a protected zone.

02:32:27.000 I will be deleting it at some point.

02:32:29.000 I enjoy doing the wordle.

02:32:30.000 But it's like, I'm just getting a second of, because I've been in Austin for like two years now, and most of my news has come through talking to Kurt Metzke in the green room.

02:32:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:40.000 And so I was like, just give me a taste of what a normie out there is experiencing is reality.

02:32:46.000 Well, the problem is those normies get indoctrinated just as much as anybody else does.

02:32:50.000 And so they get indoctrinated to thinking that the New York Times is the golden standard of accurate news reporting and it's not biased and this is the actual story that's going on.

02:33:02.000 And no, that's not always the case.

02:33:03.000 I would say at least on the right, people are getting indoctrinated by like multiple different strange things.

02:33:09.000 Like the actual agreement, you can have arguments and discussions about things and people do.

02:33:13.000 You've seen that like meme where it's like, here's right-wing thought and it's all fucking over the place.

02:33:18.000 It's like, here's the left-wing thing.

02:33:19.000 It's like one dot.

02:33:20.000 And everything after that is Hitler. 0.93

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 Everything to the right of that is Hitler. 0.90

02:33:23.000 Yes.

02:33:23.000 Yeah, I've seen those.

02:33:25.000 It's weird now that you're seeing all these right-wing people that are having public feuds.

02:33:30.000 It's blown up.

02:33:30.000 It's been a big week.

02:33:31.000 What's happening?

02:33:32.000 Like, why did everybody lose the plot?

02:33:34.000 It's weird.

02:33:36.000 Charlie Kirk was holding something together and now it's real.

02:33:39.000 I think people are, I don't know.

02:33:40.000 I think he was from his death out.

02:33:45.000 There's a lot of chaos on the right.

02:33:47.000 But is that because of his death?

02:33:51.000 Why are all these people attacking each other?

02:33:54.000 Or is it because there's people out there that are saying wild shit and then other people are being forced to defend them, whether it's Candace Owens or whoever it is?

02:34:03.000 I think the conservative movement was always a weird bringing together of about three different things.

02:34:08.000 What are those things?

02:34:10.000 Like foreign policy hawks, social conservatives, and big business people.

02:34:15.000 And William F. Buckley Jr., is that his name?

02:34:18.000 Are we getting that right?

02:34:19.000 But like the National Review, he managed to purge all the John Burge Society people and say this is mainline conservatism going forward.

02:34:26.000 And then Reagan was able to dovetail him with that. 0.69

02:34:28.000 And there was a coming together of two people who didn't.

02:34:32.000 It didn't make a lot of sense for a religious conservative and a big city finance guy to share a platform together.

02:34:39.000 But under that project, you could bring them together.

02:34:43.000 And that that it breaks apart.

02:34:45.000 And you can see it now.

02:34:46.000 Like there are a couple of things really breaking up.

02:34:48.000 Like where is the right fracturing in Arizona at the moment?

02:34:54.000 It's like Israel is a fault line.

02:34:57.000 There's no holding together the two wings of the conservative movement under Israel anymore.

02:35:02.000 Is there?

02:35:03.000 Like you, the Tucker Carlson wing of that discussion and the Ben Shapiro wing don't seem to be able to harmoniously go and lock some.

02:35:13.000 They really hate each other.

02:35:13.000 No, they hate each other.

02:35:15.000 There's a conspiratorial wing and there's like a big business wing that don't want to get along.

02:35:20.000 There are like there's libertarians and there's conservatives and those they match up on a couple things, but not a lot of things.

02:35:28.000 In terms like, you know, what is a family?

02:35:31.000 What are our values going forward?

02:35:33.000 Should we have religious values in the law?

02:35:36.000 A lot of people on the right would say yes.

02:35:37.000 A lot of people on the right would say that's the never, no.

02:35:40.000 So unless there's like a unifying, like, I don't want to say strong man, but like one, unless there's a unifying figure to bring those two disparate groups together, I think their natural thing is to fight with each other.

02:35:54.000 And that's what's happening now is that it's the end of the Trump era.

02:35:58.000 He's not going to run again.

02:36:00.000 He managed to build some sort of coalition around himself.

02:36:03.000 And that's, I think Mr. Kirk's widow, whose name I don't remember, who had the gold outfit.

02:36:09.000 Erica Kirk.

02:36:10.000 I don't watch a lot of the speeches because I get all secondhand, but she's going like, we need to get behind JD Vance. 0.89

02:36:15.000 He's going to be the future of holding this together.

02:36:18.000 And he's trying to really stay out of it so that they he like he's not making a call one way or the other.

02:36:24.000 He's trying to allow the two parties to duke it out.

02:36:28.000 See who rises.

02:36:29.000 I guess he'll see who wins.

02:36:32.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:36:33.000 Someone has got to win, right?

02:36:35.000 Like something's going to happen.

02:36:36.000 Or they're just going to just like diffuse the whole right-wing movement by being constantly at war with each other where there's no consension.

02:36:45.000 Yeah, and this happens on the left as well.

02:36:46.000 Like the left, like the AOC people and the Nancy Pelosi people are not natural bedfellows.

02:36:52.000 What's the consensus?

02:36:52.000 Like what do they have?

02:36:53.000 Like what do they agree on?

02:36:55.000 They agree on immigration.

02:36:56.000 They all agree on immigration.

02:36:57.000 Kind of.

02:36:58.000 No, big business people want heaps of illegal immigration. 0.94

02:37:02.000 Oh, cheap labor. 0.58

02:37:03.000 But the big business people, that is true.

02:37:05.000 There's some CEOs that have openly discussed the fact that they need that in order for their business model to work.

02:37:11.000 Yeah, you've got like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party going up against the H.W. Bush wing of the party.

02:37:17.000 So I don't even think they can get around that.

02:37:18.000 Most people would say that having an open border, most people on the right would say having an open border is a real problem.

02:37:24.000 You need to close the border.

02:37:26.000 If you were a right-wing person, you ran on, let's open up the border again.

02:37:29.000 We need illegal immigrants. 1.00

02:37:31.000 We need the labor. 1.00

02:37:32.000 It would be over.

02:37:34.000 You would never win.

02:37:35.000 You could govern that way.

02:37:36.000 And I think people did for a long time.

02:37:38.000 But you could never have that as your public.

02:37:41.000 You could let them sneak in, let it slip and slip.

02:37:44.000 Well, like Bush is always saying, we're tough on the border.

02:37:47.000 Yeah.

02:37:48.000 These numbers are very goaling.

02:37:50.000 He definitely weren't.

02:37:51.000 He wasn't tough on shit.

02:37:52.000 But I also think he wasn't running anything either.

02:37:55.000 You know, I mean, it's hard to imagine.

02:37:58.000 Hard to imagine.

02:37:59.000 Yeah.

02:38:01.000 So whoever was running it wanted to keep running it.

02:38:03.000 And that was a real problem.

02:38:04.000 That was a real problem.

02:38:05.000 That's scary.

02:38:07.000 Because then you realize, even though it's crazy to have a president, at least the ideas you voted a president in.

02:38:13.000 But if the president doesn't do anything and it's really a bunch of, like, as nutty as Trump is, at least you know he's doing it.

02:38:18.000 Like, nobody else is going to put gold all over the White House.

02:38:21.000 You know, he's doing that.

02:38:22.000 Nobody's writing.

02:38:23.000 He's doing those packs.

02:38:24.000 For sure.

02:38:24.000 100%.

02:38:25.000 He did the auto-penn thing.

02:38:26.000 At the very least, you know, it's him doing it.

02:38:28.000 Yeah.

02:38:29.000 And you hate him.

02:38:30.000 I think he wrote that Rob Reiner tweet.

02:38:30.000 You love him.

02:38:33.000 I don't think anyone was in his ear going.

02:38:35.000 I think you should take a big stand against Rob Reiner today.

02:38:37.000 No, he wrote that.

02:38:38.000 He wrote that.

02:38:40.000 But as you can see, it was Brennan, Brennan and Clapper.

02:38:45.000 Those are the people that had the video with Rob Reiner, where he's literally talking at two spooks about how it's a real problem that Trump is the president.

02:38:52.000 I think they called the Committee for Russian Investigation or something like that.

02:38:52.000 They're a criminal.

02:38:57.000 Rob Reiner did.

02:38:58.000 No one apologizes for the Russia stuff.

02:39:00.000 No.

02:39:01.000 It's crazy what they did.

02:39:03.000 The COVID stuff, no one apologizes, fool.

02:39:05.000 No.

02:39:05.000 They completely lied.

02:39:07.000 As much as you can hate him about a lot of things that Trump has done, you can't just let people get away with making a fake story about him colluding with Russia.

02:39:16.000 Like, that's a fake story.

02:39:17.000 The Steele dossier was literally, all that stuff was funded by the Clinton campaign.

02:39:21.000 It's crazy.

02:39:22.000 Yeah.

02:39:23.000 And the Epstein stuff coming at now is.

02:39:26.000 I mean, we'll see what happens with that.

02:39:27.000 Well, you guys were talking right before the podcast said, Jamie said there was a big dump.

02:39:31.000 What happened with the big dump?

02:39:33.000 Big dump.

02:39:33.000 You said there was a big dump today and they fucked up.

02:39:35.000 That was your take.

02:39:36.000 They fucked up.

02:39:37.000 The fuck up was people have found out that the redactions weren't really redacted.

02:39:41.000 Dun, dun, dun.

02:39:42.000 That's a big mistake.

02:39:43.000 Like, you can copy and paste and put another document and see the redactions.

02:39:47.000 Oh, like a Photoshop deal?

02:39:48.000 Like, you could get the layers away?

02:39:49.000 Yeah.

02:39:50.000 Oh, whoopsies.

02:39:51.000 That's what happens.

02:39:52.000 You get fucking people working for the government that are dorks.

02:39:56.000 Then, which is like steps to this, I wasn't following at all, but the Department of Justice has tweeted a couple interesting things today, starting with this one eight hours ago, so it's like 6 a.m. or something.

02:40:13.000 Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein.

02:40:18.000 Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election.

02:40:27.000 To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false.

02:40:30.000 And if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already.

02:40:35.000 Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with the legally required protections for Epstein's victims.

02:40:45.000 Some of those documents have been deleted now.

02:40:47.000 Okay, so they're saying that 30,000 more pages of documents and some of them contain untrue and sensational claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election, right?

02:41:01.000 But by who?

02:41:03.000 People are just sort of taking it as a grain of salt, saying, so nobody else, it's all in the untrue about Trump.

02:41:09.000 Nothing else.

02:41:10.000 All the Bill Clinton photos were definitely a picture came out of a letter that seems to be a potential suicide note written by Epstein, written to Larry Nasser.

02:41:22.000 The facts of that are strange.

02:41:24.000 There's a postmark, which is three or four days after he died.

02:41:27.000 Wait a minute.

02:41:28.000 Larry Nasser.

02:41:29.000 Yeah, who's also in jail?

02:41:31.000 He's the Olympic guy?

02:41:32.000 Yeah.

02:41:32.000 The doctor that was the pedophile?

02:41:34.000 Yeah, and he hits like a letter writing, like, hey, you know why I'm in jail.

02:41:37.000 I know why you're in jail.

02:41:40.000 Boy.

02:41:40.000 That seems weird that he's writing a letter.

02:41:42.000 He says he's taking it.

02:41:44.000 That starts off saying, if you've gotten this, you know I took the, in quotes, short route out, which.

02:41:49.000 Short route home, right?

02:41:51.000 Yeah.

02:41:52.000 But there's some weird details.

02:41:53.000 People were like, they said, they're saying this is fake or maybe fake.

02:41:58.000 Did they get a handwriting expert to analyze it yet?

02:42:02.000 Peering doesn't.

02:42:03.000 I started asking the questions.

02:42:04.000 It's like, well, then why did it come out?

02:42:07.000 How are you, you know?

02:42:08.000 Oh, so the FBI, it says the FBI has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nasser is fake.

02:42:14.000 Fake in all caps.

02:42:15.000 Trump wrote that.

02:42:18.000 He gets busted by the fake letter.

02:42:21.000 Fake letter.

02:42:22.000 Was received by the jail and flagged for the FBI at the time.

02:42:26.000 The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts.

02:42:29.000 The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's.

02:42:31.000 The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia when he was jailed in New York.

02:42:37.000 The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.

02:42:45.000 The fake letter serves as a reminder that just because the document is released by the Department of Justice does not make the allegations or claims within the document factual.

02:42:54.000 Nevertheless, the DOJ will continue to release all material required by law.

02:42:59.000 Well, this is how they probably should have done it from the beginning, right?

02:43:02.000 Release all material and then refute whatever you say is fake.

02:43:07.000 And you say, okay, it didn't have his inmate number.

02:43:09.000 It's not his handwriting.

02:43:10.000 It's fake.

02:43:11.000 It was three days after his death.

02:43:13.000 It was postmarked from Virginia.

02:43:14.000 He was in New York.

02:43:15.000 But don't make it look like you're covering it up.

02:43:17.000 Right.

02:43:17.000 Release it.

02:43:19.000 I have seen on Twitter people complaining about like they're not meant to censor anything due to embarrassment.

02:43:26.000 But when it's like Ghelane Maxwell's boobs, they will censor it out. 0.96

02:43:31.000 This has been illegally censored.

02:43:33.000 You must by the law of the United States, show me her boobs. 1.00

02:43:36.000 I need to see them Areolas.

02:43:38.000 Is she in prison in Texas?

02:43:40.000 She's in, you can kind of call her prison. 0.99

02:43:42.000 She does yoga, plays cards, hangs out.

02:43:45.000 Is she allowed to talk to people? 1.00

02:43:47.000 I don't think so.

02:43:48.000 She's not allowed to podcast, I'm sure, if that's what you're getting at.

02:43:50.000 I am.

02:43:51.000 That would be a really exciting podcast.

02:43:53.000 If everybody wants to die, that would be a really good podcast.

02:43:56.000 I think she's just a nice, normal lady. 1.00

02:43:58.000 Do you think Trump on the way out pardons her?

02:44:01.000 She's a nice woman.

02:44:02.000 I wish her will.

02:44:03.000 I don't know.

02:44:05.000 The weird thing is she's in jail for sex trafficking to who?

02:44:11.000 Epstein.

02:44:12.000 Right.

02:44:13.000 But was it from him?

02:44:15.000 I think it was 16 years old in Florida and it was directly to him.

02:44:19.000 I was briefly, I experimented with being like a non-Epstein believer.

02:44:25.000 Yeah, for about two weeks.

02:44:25.000 Really?

02:44:27.000 What did you think was going on?

02:44:28.000 I was like, maybe he's just a pervert who liked getting back rubs from 16-year-olds and he had famous friends.

02:44:33.000 Because everyone was like, he's Mossad.

02:44:35.000 He's CIA.

02:44:36.000 What do you think now?

02:44:37.000 Yeah, he's obviously something.

02:44:41.000 I just thought everyone in the green room was saying he's Musashi.

02:44:45.000 I was like, maybe the controversial thing would be to not believe this.

02:44:49.000 Take the contrarian position.

02:44:50.000 I just wanted to try, experiment with the contrarian position.

02:44:53.000 And it's getting harder and harder to hold that.

02:44:55.000 Yeah, it seems like the more they dig into his past, the more it feels like he was part of some sort of intelligence agency.

02:45:01.000 Well, like channeling offshore money for people.

02:45:04.000 How about the fact that he just got a slap on the wrist during the first case when he caught a case and then whoever it was, was the prosecutor or the judge was told that he was intelligence.

02:45:16.000 There was a, yeah.

02:45:17.000 And then someone retrieved.

02:45:20.000 I listened to a podcast on it from like some Matthew Schmitz, who's Compact magazine.

02:45:26.000 And they were making out that it was an anti-Semitic plot to say that Epstein was secret intelligence.

02:45:34.000 And it's genuinely, although I don't agree with them, it was one of the best put-together podcasts I'd heard.

02:45:41.000 Suicide watch observation lot.

02:45:41.000 Look at this.

02:45:44.000 2.15 a.m.

02:45:45.000 Inmate states his cellmate tried to kill him.

02:45:48.000 Inmate sitting on bed trying to rebuild him.

02:45:50.000 He distracted it, saying he has no idea what happened, but there's pictures of him showing his wounds and stuff.

02:45:56.000 I think he also said he woke up and didn't know where those wounds came from.

02:45:59.000 Oh, so that's the guy, too, by the way.

02:46:01.000 You know that.

02:46:02.000 That's the cellmate.

02:46:03.000 The giant dude.

02:46:04.000 Oh, so the cellmate beat the fuck out of him.

02:46:07.000 I don't see any wounds.

02:46:08.000 Oh.

02:46:08.000 Where's the wounds?

02:46:11.000 New release documentary.

02:46:12.000 Jesus.

02:46:14.000 Semi-conscious with neck injuries.

02:46:16.000 He had marks around his wrists.

02:46:17.000 I didn't see his hand.

02:46:18.000 Did you see his neck?

02:46:19.000 He can't really click on a good picture.

02:46:21.000 It's a video?

02:46:22.000 Oh, okay.

02:46:23.000 It's a video.

02:46:25.000 His hands were swollen.

02:46:26.000 I think I said his ankles or feet were swollen, too.

02:46:29.000 Oh, so the guy tried to grab his neck and choke him.

02:46:32.000 They said they investigated.

02:46:34.000 They didn't find anything.

02:46:36.000 Found no evidence of foul play.

02:46:38.000 I didn't do nothing.

02:46:39.000 He says he didn't do nothing.

02:46:40.000 I don't know what to tell you.

02:46:41.000 You're okay.

02:46:42.000 Get back in jail, you pedophile.

02:46:44.000 That's probably what they did.

02:46:46.000 But the guy probably tried to kill him.

02:46:47.000 I mean, it looks like a guy that would try to kill you, and he was definitely a murderer.

02:46:50.000 Yeah, if you're in a jail cell with a pedophile, I think that's unusual to try and kill that guy.

02:46:53.000 Also, you're a big giant guy who's in jail for murdering four drug dealers, and you're a cop.

02:46:59.000 Like, I was always saying that you get him to kill that guy for like a pack of cigarettes.

02:47:05.000 I think he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life, forever, for sure.

02:47:09.000 And you can give him like awesome special treatment if you whacks Jeffrey Epstein.

02:47:14.000 Man, I was really trying.

02:47:15.000 I tried so hard.

02:47:17.000 I went on podcasts trying to say he was killed.

02:47:19.000 Did you?

02:47:19.000 Yeah.

02:47:20.000 I wish I hadn't.

02:47:22.000 I just thought it was a cool bucking back against the grain thing to say.

02:47:27.000 And I was saying he was charismatic.

02:47:29.000 Yeah.

02:47:29.000 Why wouldn't famous people want to hang out with this charismatic person?

02:47:32.000 At the point.

02:47:33.000 That photo where he's with Michael Jackson?

02:47:35.000 His loafers are incredible.

02:47:37.000 He had a great sense of style.

02:47:38.000 Right, right.

02:47:39.000 But I do.

02:47:40.000 And then there's things about him discussing with, you know, he's talking to ex-prime ministers of Israel about how to move money around or something.

02:47:47.000 Yeah.

02:47:48.000 It's the former prime minister of Israel.

02:47:52.000 Used to visit him at his Manhattan Place with like a mask over his face.

02:47:56.000 He'd like pull his fucking, have like one of these things on.

02:47:59.000 No.

02:47:59.000 You ever see him?

02:48:00.000 See, there was pictures of him trying to cover his face as he goes into Epstein's house, which is what I always do when I go to my friend's house.

02:48:00.000 Yeah.

02:48:07.000 You cover your face?

02:48:07.000 Yeah, you don't want anybody knowing.

02:48:09.000 You go to the ring doorbell.

02:48:10.000 There's also Nixon mask on.

02:48:13.000 More Prince Andrew ones now.

02:48:14.000 Oh, of course.

02:48:15.000 And he's...

02:48:15.000 Well, there's a reason why they literally kicked him out of the royal family.

02:48:19.000 They banished him to a mansion somewhere in the hills.

02:48:23.000 I don't think he'd been.

02:48:24.000 Yeah, it's not good.

02:48:27.000 It hurts my regard for the beautiful royal family that I love very much.

02:48:30.000 I bet you do.

02:48:31.000 You look a good royal family.

02:48:33.000 I love a royal family.

02:48:34.000 Look at that dude.

02:48:35.000 Yeah.

02:48:36.000 Why are you studging the paparazzi?

02:48:38.000 Oh, for sure.

02:48:39.000 Paparazzi are always in front of a financial guy's house.

02:48:42.000 A bunch of chicks leaving.

02:48:44.000 A lot of people seem to love hanging out with this guy.

02:48:47.000 A charismatic guy.

02:48:48.000 I thought he's a lot of fun.

02:48:49.000 Had cool people at his parties.

02:48:52.000 It was with Woody Allen he was hanging out?

02:48:54.000 Bill Clinton.

02:48:55.000 Bill Clinton seems to have a great time in all of the photos.

02:48:57.000 There's a lot of people who seem like having a great time.

02:48:59.000 Michael Jackson was hanging out there.

02:49:01.000 Michael Jackson didn't look like he was having a lot of fun, though.

02:49:03.000 I don't think he had a lot of fun, period.

02:49:05.000 Right?

02:49:06.000 Michael?

02:49:07.000 Tortured individual.

02:49:08.000 He had a roller coaster.

02:49:09.000 How could he be unhappy?

02:49:14.000 I don't think that was for him.

02:49:16.000 That roller coaster was like a moment.

02:49:18.000 You put up a turkey when you go turkey hunting.

02:49:19.000 You put up a fake turkey.

02:49:21.000 Bring in the turkeys.

02:49:22.000 His father made him dance too much, and that's why he wanted to spend the night with boys.

02:49:28.000 I can't defend Michael Jackson.

02:49:30.000 No, you can't.

02:49:31.000 Who could you defend easier, Michael Jackson or Epstein?

02:49:34.000 Well, we don't have any.

02:49:37.000 I mean, probably with Michael Jackson because the music was great.

02:49:39.000 The music was great, and his doctor said he was chemically castrated.

02:49:43.000 You know that?

02:49:44.000 I don't.

02:49:45.000 Yeah, the doctor that went to jail for giving him propofol that wound up killing him.

02:49:50.000 It's a general anesthetic.

02:49:51.000 Yes.

02:49:52.000 That doctor, when he got out of jail, spoke publicly about the fact that Michael, when he was young, was giving chemical castration drugs to protect his voice, to keep his voice from deepening.

02:50:04.000 I'm on the record saying the castrati should be brought back. 1.00

02:50:07.000 You're on the record?

02:50:07.000 Think so?

02:50:08.000 Yeah.

02:50:09.000 No, over and over again, I say, if we're going to have trans people.

02:50:12.000 Make them sing?

02:50:14.000 You get it regarding how well you can sing.

02:50:17.000 But you've got to do it when you're really young.

02:50:19.000 It's got to be before puberty.

02:50:20.000 Yeah.

02:50:21.000 I don't really believe it, but I do want to hear the castrati again.

02:50:23.000 We've got one recording that's not very good.

02:50:24.000 It's weird.

02:50:25.000 Have you heard it?

02:50:26.000 It's eerie.

02:50:26.000 Yeah, we played OpenSpodcast a bunch of times.

02:50:29.000 It's kind of macabre.

02:50:30.000 But people loved it at the time.

02:50:32.000 They were sick people.

02:50:33.000 And only the Italians. 0.98

02:50:35.000 Because the Italians were bold.

02:50:37.000 What a crazy move.

02:50:39.000 What?

02:50:40.000 Castrate balls off when he's young so he could sing at a high pitch forever.

02:50:44.000 Well, I think that would crush them because they didn't have antiseptic.

02:50:46.000 I think cut them off is...

02:50:48.000 Well, they do.

02:50:49.000 I think they'd crush them and then put them in a bath of milk. 0.91

02:50:49.000 They crushed their balls. 0.91

02:50:53.000 But do you know about the swan thing?

02:50:56.000 What'd they do to crush the balls?

02:50:57.000 They just smash them?

02:50:57.000 What'd they use?

02:50:59.000 That was the thing you did with your hands.

02:50:59.000 But it was illegal.

02:51:00.000 That was a terrible.

02:51:01.000 It's not good.

02:51:02.000 But they would deny it.

02:51:03.000 The families would never cop to it because it was illegal to castrate your son.

02:51:07.000 So you would come up with an excuse.

02:51:09.000 And there's like one town in Italy where over the course of a year, they reported hundreds of swan attacks.

02:51:15.000 That's what they would say.

02:51:16.000 They would say a swan flew into my son's testicles.

02:51:16.000 Oh, good.

02:51:20.000 And that's why he's now the best singer in Milan.

02:51:23.000 And they did it so their son could make money, just like a theater mom. 0.89

02:51:26.000 But the people loved it.

02:51:27.000 Like, when there was the last one and they were going to retire it, people were chanting.

02:51:31.000 Crowds screamed, long live the knife.

02:51:33.000 They wanted it to keep going.

02:51:35.000 Do you know about this?

02:51:36.000 Long live the knife.

02:51:37.000 Yeah, there was widespread popular support not to get rid of the castrati. 1.00

02:51:42.000 Oh, my God.

02:51:43.000 People wanted to keep hearing it.

02:51:44.000 Bro, that's terrible.

02:51:46.000 But they must have sounded really good.

02:51:48.000 Well, we heard the recording.

02:51:49.000 Want to hear it?

02:51:50.000 Apparently he was no.

02:51:51.000 He was not recording?

02:51:51.000 Apparently he was one of the worst ones.

02:51:53.000 Many of these operations were performed by local barbers.

02:51:57.000 Oh, the razor.

02:52:01.000 I guess I did use the razor size.

02:52:04.000 I should have guessed you were across the castrati.

02:52:07.000 I could have guessed that would have come up on this show before.

02:52:09.000 I didn't know you'd played it a bunch of years.

02:52:10.000 Oh, yeah, we played it before.

02:52:11.000 We'll leave on this.

02:52:13.000 I don't know if you can.

02:52:13.000 Can we play it?

02:52:15.000 This is one of those videos.

02:52:16.000 Yeah, somebody might have owned it.

02:52:17.000 I actually, I got into an argument about it because I put it on a video once and I got challenged and I challenged it back because it was recorded so long ago.

02:52:25.000 Oh, yeah, it should be an open.

02:52:26.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:52:27.000 That's true.

02:52:28.000 There's a Wikipedia recording.

02:52:29.000 It's totally open.

02:52:30.000 No, I'm across the.

02:52:31.000 Man, we don't want to deal with it, though.

02:52:32.000 How come no rappers are sampling the castrati?

02:52:34.000 Danny Brown.

02:52:35.000 Maybe Diddy when he gets it up.

02:52:38.000 Maybe you could.

02:52:39.000 I'm not even going to try and be a Diddy defender.

02:52:42.000 I thought about it.

02:52:43.000 You said you contrarian.

02:52:44.000 You do think about it.

02:52:45.000 Yeah.

02:52:47.000 It would be nice.

02:52:48.000 I just don't have enough time to research it properly.

02:52:50.000 But if I had all the time, if I didn't have kids, I would be spending all my time becoming the best Epstein defender because it would be a cool thing to say at parties very stridently.

02:52:58.000 Wouldn't that?

02:52:59.000 That's such an Australian thing to think.

02:53:01.000 We got here.

02:53:02.000 It's just a quick explanation.

02:53:03.000 I mean, they've really summed this up fast.

02:53:06.000 Time roughly beginning of the 17th century, the mid-19th century, an era with the science of anesthesia, anesthesiation.

02:53:11.000 Still had some way to go.

02:53:13.000 Before making the first cut, a surgeon would send a patient into a semi-comatose state by plying him with an opium-based drink and compressing his carotid arteries.

02:53:13.000 And here we go.

02:53:22.000 Oh, there's the milk.

02:53:23.000 Then the boy would be plunged into a bath of milk or hot water to soften the necessary parts, at which point speed was of the essence.

02:53:32.000 Cut the spermatic cords, remove the testicles, tie the ducts, and then fingers crossed. 0.92

02:53:37.000 Oh God.

02:53:39.000 Oh God.

02:53:41.000 But what is it about the Italians that were the only people to do it? 0.76

02:53:44.000 Why are you fucking with my people?

02:53:46.000 I know I'm saying it's kind of a greatness of spirit.

02:53:48.000 No.

02:53:49.000 Because that's how much you loved music.

02:53:51.000 It's disgusting.

02:53:51.000 Other people were trying to take over the world and build empires, not in Italy.

02:53:54.000 That's what you were doing in this.

02:53:55.000 They just didn't know that AI could just fake it.

02:53:57.000 We could make an AI castrata.

02:53:59.000 Maybe we should close on that.

02:54:00.000 Let's have AI do a castrado. 1.00

02:54:02.000 I reject it.

02:54:03.000 I reject AI castrato over.

02:54:05.000 Papa was a rolling stone.

02:54:07.000 Can you do that?

02:54:08.000 Yeah.

02:54:09.000 Let's do have AI make a cover of Papa Was a Rolling Stone as an opera castrata.

02:54:18.000 Or castrado.

02:54:20.000 Is it castrato or castrada?

02:54:22.000 I think it's castrati is the plural.

02:54:24.000 Castradi.

02:54:25.000 Right.

02:54:25.000 But is it a castrate?

02:54:26.000 Castrado?

02:54:27.000 Is it still a boy if you cut his nuts off?

02:54:30.000 Well, you'll get in a lot of trouble in Britain for saying the opposite, but yes.

02:54:36.000 Ladies loved them. 0.97

02:54:38.000 God.

02:54:38.000 And they were big.

02:54:40.000 Can never get hard.

02:54:41.000 No, they could.

02:54:42.000 Really?

02:54:43.000 Yeah.

02:54:44.000 How do you know?

02:54:45.000 I read a lot about it.

02:54:46.000 Maybe they lied.

02:54:47.000 They would have sex across. 0.73

02:54:48.000 No, women would go and try and have sex with them. 1.00

02:54:50.000 Because they couldn't get pregnant off the back of that. 1.00

02:54:52.000 But how'd they get a boner if they didn't testicles? 1.00

02:54:56.000 They still got there was still testosterone in the body.

02:54:58.000 Like a tiny amount, Patouche by the test.

02:55:01.000 They got real tall, though.

02:55:02.000 They got huge.

02:55:03.000 They would be like seven foot tall.

02:55:05.000 Really?

02:55:05.000 And this is why they could sing so well: their bones in their rib cage wouldn't fuse.

02:55:11.000 Like, there's something in puberty that's meant to come in and like stop your bones growing that happens when you're a child.

02:55:15.000 So they'd have like this huge rib cage with huge lungs and a tiny little boy voice.

02:55:20.000 Yeah.

02:55:21.000 With like huge amounts of air flowing out.

02:55:23.000 Oh, that's crazy.

02:55:25.000 I'm just saying, why can't we, if we're going to have all the trans kids, doesn't one of them go identify as a castrati? 0.97

02:55:33.000 Couldn't one do it?

02:55:34.000 Maybe you're planting the seed in someone's head right now.

02:55:35.000 I don't want to do that.

02:55:36.000 I don't want to do that.

02:55:37.000 Well, maybe they already went through with the other thing, and they're like, well, let's make the most of this.

02:55:42.000 You know?

02:55:43.000 Make some lemonade.

02:55:46.000 Castrate doing.

02:55:47.000 Have you got.

02:55:48.000 Can you really just type it in and make it?

02:55:50.000 Yeah, but how long does it take to render?

02:55:54.000 The problem is the lyrics.

02:55:56.000 The lyrics?

02:55:57.000 Those lyrics are copyrighted.

02:55:58.000 You could have a song.

02:55:59.000 Oh, we can't play it.

02:56:00.000 The Star Spangled Banner.

02:56:02.000 That's the whole thing.

02:56:03.000 That's how you make these songs.

02:56:03.000 Oh.

02:56:04.000 I don't want to get into it.

02:56:05.000 How are they doing that?

02:56:06.000 You don't want to say it?

02:56:07.000 All right.

02:56:07.000 Okay.

02:56:08.000 We're swap.

02:56:08.000 Is it a secret?

02:56:09.000 McCann, we're going to miss you.

02:56:11.000 You'll be back.

02:56:11.000 Thank you.

02:56:12.000 Hold on a second.

02:56:12.000 I got one.

02:56:13.000 Oh, you got one?

02:56:13.000 Oh, here we go.

02:56:14.000 All right.

02:56:14.000 Here we go.

02:56:15.000 It's not.

02:56:16.000 It's not quite eerie enough.

02:56:20.000 That sounds like a regular guy.

02:56:22.000 When you hear that one guy, it is out of worldly.

02:56:25.000 It's creepy.

02:56:26.000 Make good songs.

02:56:26.000 All right.

02:56:26.000 It's creepy.

02:56:27.000 McCann, I love you.

02:56:28.000 Thank you for having me.

02:56:29.000 I really appreciate it.

02:56:30.000 It's always fun hanging out with you.

02:56:31.000 And I'm excited about tonight.

02:56:32.000 We're going to have some fun.

02:56:33.000 Yes, sir.

02:56:33.000 I think so.

02:56:34.000 Okay.

02:56:34.000 See you in a bit.

02:56:35.000 All right.

02:56:36.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 31, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2433 - James McCann

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