The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2439 - Johnny Knoxville

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00:00:12.000 Yeah, yeah, they said, fuck you, old man.

00:00:14.000 He choked him to sleep.

00:00:18.000 I would pay for this.

00:00:19.000 How did you meet Judo Gene LaBelle?

00:00:21.000 I met him first on Men in Black 2.

00:00:26.000 He was a stunt man.

00:00:27.000 Oh.

00:00:28.000 Stunt.

00:00:30.000 And the stunt people would line up outside his trailer so he would choke them out.

00:00:36.000 And he would give you that little – he would give you a patch afterwards.

00:00:40.000 You've been choked out by Judo Gene LaBelle.

00:00:42.000 Oh, God.

00:00:43.000 He had all those cartoonish patches.

00:00:46.000 He gave you a bunch of those.

00:00:47.000 He's a character, man.

00:00:50.000 One guy, I saw one, the stuntman, right before Gene choked him out, he goes, one second.

00:00:56.000 This Irish dude.

00:00:58.000 And he turned around and he slapped Gene in the face.

00:01:00.000 And Gene's like.

00:01:03.000 And then after Gene choked him, they were standing up.

00:01:06.000 Gene just dropped him straight to the ground for slapping him.

00:01:12.000 You can get hurt like that.

00:01:14.000 Yeah, well, that's what you get for slapping Gene LaBelle.

00:01:17.000 Slap him.

00:01:17.000 Give him a kiss.

00:01:18.000 Kiss him on the cheek before he chokes you out.

00:01:20.000 Don't slap him.

00:01:23.000 He had one of the very first ever mixed martial arts fights.

00:01:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:26.000 It was that he fought.

00:01:27.000 Milo Savage.

00:01:28.000 Yes.

00:01:29.000 And did Milo Savage grease himself up beforehand?

00:01:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:33.000 But also, Gene was wearing a gi, which kind of negates most of the grease.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 Because you're wearing this very frictiony gi.

00:01:42.000 So he grabbed him.

00:01:43.000 And where it was, I guess the rumor was Milo Savage's gloves were loaded?

00:01:49.000 I don't know.

00:01:50.000 I would do that, though, if I was Milo Savage.

00:01:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:53.000 I would have some kind of weapon against Gene LaBelle.

00:01:56.000 Well, most people that have never grappled a guy like that, you don't have any idea how helpless you actually are until you think, I'll be able to push him away from me.

00:02:05.000 I'll be able to push him away and get some punches off.

00:02:07.000 You really don't know until that guy grabs you, and it's like being grabbed by an orangutan.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, because his mom ran the Grand Olympic Auditorium, right?

00:02:15.000 And he grew up training with all the disciplines of fighters that came through there.

00:02:21.000 Well, he definitely knew pretty much everything.

00:02:23.000 He knew a lot, but, you know, obviously he's a judo specialist.

00:02:26.000 But he's the guy who taught Bruce Lee about the importance of grappling.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, because he worked with him on the Green Hornet.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, I think he worked with him on that.

00:02:35.000 But when he locked up with Bruce Lee, like Bruce Lee was like, oh, okay, I'm helpless.

00:02:40.000 Like, apparently the story was that Gene picked him up and carried him around over his shoulder.

00:02:45.000 And then Bruce Lee was like, okay, fuck this.

00:02:48.000 Because Gene was a light, I think he was a light, heavyweight judo champion.

00:02:53.000 So, I mean, he's probably at least 190 pounds.

00:02:56.000 And, you know, Bruce Lee was a pretty small guy.

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:00.000 And Gene just grabbed him.

00:03:02.000 His face just looked like a catcher's mitt.

00:03:05.000 It was just looking at that guy's face.

00:03:08.000 Yeah, he was a classic.

00:03:09.000 And always check out a guy's ears before you talk shit with them. 0.81

00:03:12.000 If they have that, you know.

00:03:15.000 Cauliflower.

00:03:16.000 Cauliflower ear, just buy him a drink or give him a hug.

00:03:19.000 Does Steve-O have that?

00:03:20.000 Didn't he get it from like, didn't he have John Jones fuck his ears up?

00:03:23.000 He tried to get it.

00:03:24.000 I don't know if it happened.

00:03:26.000 You know, we tried to do, I tried to do that to the director, Jeff Tremaine, on Jackass Number Two.

00:03:32.000 Every time someone would walk past him, they would grab his ear and twist.

00:03:35.000 And we were just hoping it would cauliflower up by the end of the film, but it didn't.

00:03:40.000 You got to earn that.

00:03:41.000 Yeah.

00:03:42.000 There's a lot of guys who fake it, though.

00:03:44.000 I know a lot of jiu-jitsu guys who fake it.

00:03:46.000 They have guys fuck their ears up on purpose.

00:03:49.000 They want to look cool.

00:03:50.000 It's kind of weak.

00:03:52.000 Yeah, that's – you got to earn it.

00:03:53.000 Yeah.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 It's like Robert De Niro in that movie where he wouldn't take Viagra.

00:03:58.000 A hard-on should be earned.

00:03:58.000 Remember?

00:04:02.000 It should be had legitimately or not at all.

00:04:05.000 The old-fashioned way with eye contact.

00:04:08.000 Wasn't that some weird movie where he was going, he was a mob boss, but he was going to a shrink and he couldn't get it up.

00:04:13.000 Oh.

00:04:13.000 Remember that movie?

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 Was it Billy Crystal was the shrink?

00:04:18.000 I don't remember the name of it, but yeah, I know what you're talking about.

00:04:20.000 Dude, you've had a wild ride in life.

00:04:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:25.000 You've done a lot of crazy shit, not just with Jackass, but you became a movie star.

00:04:31.000 And you're like, what has this been like for you?

00:04:35.000 Sometimes it feels like you're living someone else's life.

00:04:39.000 Imposter syndrome?

00:04:40.000 Yeah, a little.

00:04:41.000 And I'm extremely grateful, especially for a guy with my limited education.

00:04:48.000 I get the joke what I would be doing if I didn't fall into what I'm doing.

00:04:54.000 So, yeah, it's pretty surreal.

00:04:58.000 I just keep trying to move forward.

00:05:00.000 How did you guys get started with Jackass?

00:05:02.000 How did all that come to bear?

00:05:05.000 Well, the short answer is my then-girlfriend got pregnant and I had a daughter on the way.

00:05:15.000 And I moved to LA to act, but I wasn't doing anything, man.

00:05:19.000 I was drinking a lot.

00:05:22.000 And then I'm like, oh, shit, I have to support a daughter.

00:05:26.000 I need to do something quick.

00:05:29.000 So I was living next door to Antoine Fouqua in this duplex, the director.

00:05:35.000 And he set me up with a casting director who got me a commercial agent.

00:05:39.000 My friend John Lenson set me up writing articles for this magazine because he knew I wanted to write.

00:05:49.000 And one of the articles turned into me testing self-defense equipment on myself.

00:05:55.000 And a lot of different magazines wanted the article, but they didn't want anything to do with it because I was going to shoot myself in the chest with a bulletproof vest as the last thing.

00:06:06.000 It's like stun gun, taser gun, pepper spray.

00:06:09.000 And Jeff Tremaine, who now directs Jackass, he was the editor of Big Brother magazine, a skateboarding magazine owned by Larry Flint.

00:06:17.000 And he goes, you can write it for us and I'll help you buy a couple of the things and the stun gun and the taser gun.

00:06:24.000 And I took the money my mom gave me for Christmas and bought the cheapest bulletproof vest they had for the last thing.

00:06:30.000 You don't want to skimp on a bulletproof vest.

00:06:33.000 That's all I could afford.

00:06:35.000 It was either no stun gun or taser gun.

00:06:39.000 So anyway, Jeff says, hey, why don't you film that article that you're writing?

00:06:43.000 We'll put it in our skateboard video.

00:06:44.000 And it kind of snowballed from there.

00:06:47.000 Oh, so that was the genesis of it.

00:06:49.000 Yeah.

00:06:49.000 Wow.

00:06:50.000 Isn't it weird how like desperation or like the recognition that like, oh, you have responsibilities?

00:06:56.000 Like, you got to get going.

00:06:57.000 Just lights a fire under your ass.

00:06:59.000 You become like a totally different person.

00:07:01.000 It was like, I deal with a certain amount of overcoming fear or whatever when doing the stunts, but there was never any fear like you have a daughter on the way and you have to figure out how to support her.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 I was, I had to do something quick, and that was my best guess.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, it's the mother of invention, man.

00:07:25.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 That necessity, understanding, like being a dad and having to take care of people, it just changes everything.

00:07:34.000 Yeah, like, what am I doing?

00:07:36.000 You know what I'm doing?

00:07:37.000 I'm doing fucking nothing, and I need to do something.

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, it's a primal feeling, right?

00:07:45.000 Yeah.

00:07:46.000 It changed everything.

00:07:48.000 But when you do this, like, first of all, what round, what caliber of revolver did you get shot with?

00:07:56.000 Well, the vest was the cheapest one, so it could take a 38, and I got a 38.

00:08:04.000 I borrowed it from my neighbor's wife.

00:08:06.000 Jesus Christ.

00:08:10.000 There wasn't a lot of pre-production on this show.

00:08:12.000 How far away were you when you got shot?

00:08:14.000 Well, my buddy was supposed to shoot me, but we just drove out the 14 because we didn't have a location.

00:08:24.000 And I'm like, pull off here.

00:08:25.000 And then we pull off this exit.

00:08:27.000 And I'm like, okay, make a right.

00:08:28.000 And we ended up on the fire road.

00:08:30.000 So we get out there.

00:08:33.000 My friend's like, I'm not going to shoot you, man.

00:08:35.000 I can't do it.

00:08:36.000 I'm like, so I'm like, all right, well, give me the gun.

00:08:41.000 And I got the gun to my chest, and a car pulls up behind me.

00:08:51.000 And it's a bunch of tweakers.

00:08:52.000 They're driving down the fire road.

00:08:54.000 They're like, how do we get to the freeway?

00:08:56.000 And I got the gun behind my back.

00:08:57.000 I'm like, hey, you just go down here, make a right, then a left.

00:09:02.000 And they drove away.

00:09:03.000 And so I went back to shooting myself.

00:09:06.000 It was sketchy.

00:09:07.000 It looked like a snuff film.

00:09:10.000 Because my friends are, the photographer on it saw his buddy die because he jumped off a hotel trying to hit a swimming pool and didn't hit that swimming pool.

00:09:22.000 And so he was really scared, right?

00:09:24.000 He was like, stop, don't do this.

00:09:26.000 Don't do this.

00:09:26.000 Stop.

00:09:27.000 I wasn't getting a lot of positive reinforcement, Joe.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, it doesn't seem like it.

00:09:31.000 And I had a bunch of, because since it was Flint magazine, I had a bunch of hustlers under the bulletproof S to help absorb the impact.

00:09:39.000 And at one point, they all fall out and I bend over to pick them up and I'm pointing the gun right at my friends as I pick them up.

00:09:46.000 I don't realize this, but it was sketchy.

00:09:49.000 And that was the first.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, we put that in the Big Brother video.

00:09:53.000 Have you ever done anything like self-harming, any dangerous type activities before you started Jackass?

00:10:00.000 Before you started doing all this kind of shit?

00:10:02.000 No, no.

00:10:03.000 I didn't even know it self.

00:10:05.000 I mean, you can argue my drinking didn't help my liver, but it's like you guys, like what you did was kind of fucking crazy.

00:10:18.000 But when you, I guess if you stop to, I don't know, like it just becomes something you're doing.

00:10:26.000 It was all normal to me.

00:10:30.000 And I can't speak for them.

00:10:32.000 It's just, that's what we're doing today.

00:10:36.000 And so that was the first one.

00:10:37.000 And then how many times have you done a stunt where you're like, I could die?

00:10:44.000 A few.

00:10:45.000 Like, you've done, like, the bull one when you're blindfolded.

00:10:49.000 I was like, don't do that.

00:10:51.000 I was watching.

00:10:51.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, that was, yeah, that was, anytime you're working with a bull, I think that they hate you.

00:11:00.000 And really, they hate movement.

00:11:02.000 And they want to make you stop moving forever.

00:11:08.000 But I've had, you know, I mean, like in the Jackass No. 2 when the rocket exploded, those were foot-long metal rods, and there was 12 of them.

00:11:17.000 One blew out right next to my ribs, which would have been pitcher wrap on me.

00:11:24.000 And one flew back 300 yards and split two of our art guys right between them.

00:11:32.000 We've had some really close ones.

00:11:34.000 I tried to do the Buster Keaton thing in number two where the facade falls and it falls right.

00:11:40.000 The window falls over my head.

00:11:43.000 That was the plan.

00:11:45.000 And the guy's like, okay, when it's, because it was the close, right, of the movie.

00:11:52.000 And the guy's like, this is a 20-foot steel wall.

00:11:55.000 Like, you hit your mark, do not move.

00:11:59.000 I'm like, got it.

00:12:01.000 They said, action.

00:12:04.000 And then, so I take two steps, and they're like, oh, no, no, cut, cut.

00:12:10.000 So I just like, oh, okay, I'm going to walk over here.

00:12:14.000 And they had already released the wall.

00:12:17.000 Yeah.

00:12:17.000 And if you watch the footage, it crushes me to the ground, but my head just makes it through the window.

00:12:25.000 Otherwise, that would have been, I would have been done.

00:12:28.000 Oh, geez.

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 Yeah.

00:12:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:35.000 That was a close one.

00:12:39.000 God.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 How heavy was that fucking thing?

00:12:43.000 I don't, it was a 20-foot steel wall.

00:12:45.000 It was, it was incredibly.

00:12:48.000 How bad did you get fucked up from that?

00:12:51.000 Nothing.

00:12:52.000 Nothing.

00:12:53.000 I'm like, I was very lucky.

00:12:57.000 I'm also hyper limber, so it just, I kind of accordion when on impact.

00:13:04.000 Just dumb luck.

00:13:06.000 Dumb story of my life.

00:13:11.000 How many, all told, how many stunts have you done like that?

00:13:15.000 Oh, I haven't.

00:13:16.000 Oh, almost, almost could put, I don't know.

00:13:24.000 Like, there's at least six or seven, like, close calls, and then any number of stunts that can go wrong, you know?

00:13:38.000 I don't know.

00:13:39.000 I don't really, I just look forward.

00:13:42.000 Was there ever a time when you're doing this and going, what the fuck have I got myself into?

00:13:47.000 Like, because you have to keep up one-upping yourself, right?

00:13:52.000 Well, that was a problem for me after we did the first movie.

00:13:58.000 I didn't want to do a second movie because I didn't know how to top the first one, which now looks very tame compared to the others.

00:14:10.000 And finally, Tremaine said, we don't have to top it.

00:14:17.000 We just have to be funny.

00:14:18.000 And I'm like, okay, that made me free.

00:14:24.000 It took away all my anxiety.

00:14:27.000 And I thought, okay, if that's the case.

00:14:30.000 And a couple months later, he told me he was lying.

00:14:34.000 We did have to top it.

00:14:35.000 But by that time, I was already off and running.

00:14:39.000 Jesus, dude.

00:14:41.000 Yeah.

00:14:41.000 Your show would really give me anxiety.

00:14:45.000 It gives the guys they get really anxious because I know 98.5% of what's happening on the set.

00:14:56.000 Like, Jeff and I each, we keep a little from each other.

00:15:01.000 So if we want to smoke one another.

00:15:04.000 So, but the guys don't have any idea what's happening.

00:15:08.000 So by the second week, you can just literally go up and put your finger on someone's shoulder.

00:15:14.000 And they're like, Jesus.

00:15:15.000 They're so, so nervous.

00:15:19.000 And I, and I, I don't blame them.

00:15:21.000 And like when you film one of those movies, like, how long is a shoot?

00:15:24.000 Like, how, how many months do you film for?

00:15:27.000 Well, that depends.

00:15:28.000 On jackass number two, usually about we go two weeks on, two weeks off over four, five months.

00:15:39.000 But I think jackass number two, it was eight or nine months.

00:15:44.000 And finally, they had to have an intervention with me to stop shooting.

00:15:50.000 They hey, like, come down to the office tomorrow.

00:15:52.000 We're going to finalize the edit or do something in the edit.

00:15:56.000 I'm like, all right.

00:15:57.000 And I get there, and it's Spike, Jeff, a few of the cast, and they're like, We're not here to talk about the edit.

00:16:07.000 I'm like, okay, like, we have to stop shooting.

00:16:10.000 We're like so far over.

00:16:11.000 And then it was also about, I was going to do the ski jump, you know, the Olympic ski jump.

00:16:18.000 And it was, they're like, you, we have too much footage.

00:16:26.000 You can't, let's just not, you've already put yourself on the line so much you can't.

00:16:33.000 And then it became like, well, I'm not, I didn't, I've decided not to because I felt like this big intervention, they had, it was like doomed.

00:16:45.000 The stunt was doomed in my mind then that something negative was going to happen.

00:16:51.000 So I ended up not doing the ski jump, but I did negotiate two more weeks of shooting out of them.

00:16:58.000 How far were you supposed to jump?

00:17:01.000 It's until I went kaboom.

00:17:03.000 It was going to be the Olympic ski jump.

00:17:03.000 I don't know.

00:17:06.000 Like when they fly?

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 Do you know how to ski?

00:17:10.000 Not at all.

00:17:15.000 I don't want to be good at the stunt.

00:17:17.000 Nobody wants to see that.

00:17:18.000 Well, I mean, you'd have to train for years to be good at it.

00:17:21.000 But I mean, I was just.

00:17:22.000 I had about 20 minutes.

00:17:24.000 Oh.

00:17:25.000 So that didn't happen.

00:17:27.000 But I don't even know how we got on this.

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00:18:09.000 Oh, well.

00:18:11.000 But so are you done with all that stuff, or would you consider doing it again?

00:18:16.000 Well, I can't do any stunt where I would get a concussion now because I've had too many.

00:18:26.000 The last one was really gnarly.

00:18:30.000 I kind of went offline for a while.

00:18:33.000 What one was that?

00:18:34.000 At the end of Jackass Forever, I dressed up as a magician and I got obsessed with the idea of pranking an animal.

00:18:45.000 I just wanted the thought of seeing the animal's reaction after the prank.

00:18:53.000 And that kind of morphed into me dressing as a magician in a bull ring, doing the pouring the milk in the hat trick to get the bull's reaction.

00:19:06.000 And apparently, the bull didn't think much of my trick because it, well, first of all, usually when you're working with a bull in a ring, there's a lot of soft dirt around, you know.

00:19:22.000 And I got there that morning and it was just dirt, but no salt.

00:19:31.000 It was like concrete.

00:19:32.000 And I thought to myself, well, that's a problem.

00:19:35.000 And but we're there.

00:19:37.000 We need, I'm shooting.

00:19:40.000 So anyway, long story short, the ball, the bull hits me, and I, you usually, when a bull hits you, well, always they drop their head, right?

00:19:48.000 So I always try to jump a split second before it hits me so I get above the bull as opposed to below the bull, which is never any fun.

00:19:59.000 So, but I mistime my jump.

00:20:02.000 I jumped too early, so I jumped and then I start coming back down.

00:20:07.000 Then the bull hits me and it flips me like I do like a one and a half flip, and the only thing that stops me is the back of the head, my back of my head hitting the concrete ground.

00:20:21.000 And I got a concussion with the brain hemorrhage, a broken rib, and a broken wrist out of the deal.

00:20:28.000 And that was it.

00:20:29.000 And yeah, it was so.

00:20:32.000 And this is after you let Butterbean KO you, too.

00:20:35.000 Lucky punch.

00:20:38.000 That fucking dude hit so hard.

00:20:40.000 I watched that.

00:20:41.000 I was like, don't let that happen.

00:20:44.000 Don't do that.

00:20:46.000 Like, everyone's like, boy, that knockout punch must have hurt.

00:20:48.000 I'm like, I didn't even feel it.

00:20:51.000 Like, the punches before really hurt, but the knockout punch, you don't, you've been knocked out before.

00:20:57.000 You don't feel it.

00:21:01.000 That one was a pretty bad concussion, too.

00:21:03.000 I had vertigo for six to eight weeks after that.

00:21:08.000 Just driving around a curve, everything starts spinning.

00:21:12.000 Did you go to a hospital and get checked out?

00:21:14.000 Well, I went to see my doctor, Dr. Kipper, and he had to sew up my head because I fell back onto the hard ground of the swap meet.

00:21:25.000 I think I hit my head on the corner of a display counter as well.

00:21:30.000 I don't know.

00:21:32.000 Fuck, dude.

00:21:33.000 Should have gone to college.

00:21:38.000 Do you ever feel any responsibility for how many people you inspire to do similar things?

00:21:45.000 Well, I hope to just entertain them and not inspire them, but I can't, I don't have any control over that except for when I do things like this.

00:21:58.000 Like, just watch, don't do.

00:22:01.000 I don't want anyone to get hurt.

00:22:03.000 I, you know, me, I'm another story.

00:22:07.000 It's kind of amazing that you're okay, you know, other than the bad concussions.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, I'm pretty okay with how it turned out.

00:22:18.000 What's the worst injury that anybody ever suffered during Jackass filming?

00:22:26.000 Wow.

00:22:27.000 There's been many concussions, breaks, uh, I don't know.

00:22:38.000 Just arm breaks, back breaks.

00:22:43.000 Do you have any long-term problems because of it?

00:22:48.000 My lower back is pretty blown out.

00:22:53.000 And who knows about how the concussions will rectify themselves?

00:23:00.000 Hopefully I'm okay.

00:23:03.000 Do you feel any lingering effects?

00:23:05.000 Well, my lower back's blown out.

00:23:08.000 So I just had an intracept procedure on my back about in early December.

00:23:15.000 They go, the nerve and the vertebra, they go in and somehow use radio frequency heat to basically burn the nerve so it can't send the signal to your brain that it's hurt.

00:23:32.000 Oh, so you just walk around hurt, but you don't feel like it.

00:23:35.000 I don't know.

00:23:35.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 I'm fine with that.

00:23:37.000 Is it doing continual damage or is it just pain?

00:23:42.000 I think it it seems to be, and that's an excellent question that I did not ask, nor did I care about, but thank you for bringing it up.

00:23:51.000 I think to me, it's just pain.

00:23:54.000 So I, you know.

00:23:56.000 Jesus.

00:23:57.000 Have you done anything else for it?

00:23:58.000 Like, there's a bunch of different, is it a herniated disc?

00:24:01.000 Is it a yeah, but the lower two discs are herniated.

00:24:05.000 And I had shots in the facet joints of my lower back is like they put some kind of steroid in there and it didn't give the result that I wanted.

00:24:20.000 Have you ever heard of a machine called a reverse hyper?

00:24:23.000 No.

00:24:23.000 There's a machine that a guy named Louis Simmons, he was this legendary powerlifter guy.

00:24:29.000 He developed because he had fucked his discs up powerlifting and the doctors told him that he needed to fuse his disc because they were compressed and he's like, well, can't we decompress him?

00:24:39.000 And they're like, no, there's no way.

00:24:41.000 He's like, well, there's got to be a way.

00:24:42.000 So he developed a machine that decompresses the spine while also strengthening the muscles around it.

00:24:49.000 It's a piece of exercise.

00:24:50.000 That's Louie.

00:24:51.000 He developed this machine.

00:24:53.000 It looks like something that happened to Ving Graemes in Pulp Fiction.

00:25:00.000 What does the machine do?

00:25:01.000 It strengthens and on the way up, when she's lifting with her legs, it's strengthening her back.

00:25:06.000 And on the downswing, it's actively decompressing your back.

00:25:11.000 So it pulls the discs apart and creates space.

00:25:15.000 I love this machine.

00:25:16.000 I have one at home.

00:25:17.000 I have one here at the studio.

00:25:19.000 I use it all the time.

00:25:20.000 It's really an important piece of equipment for anybody that has a lower back injury or who wants to prevent lower back injuries.

00:25:27.000 And just for overall strength, because it's a very odd movement to be able to recreate.

00:25:31.000 Oh, great.

00:25:32.000 I'm going to look into that.

00:25:33.000 Yeah, I'll show it to you.

00:25:34.000 You'll have it in the gym afterwards.

00:25:35.000 I'll show it to you after the podcast.

00:25:37.000 Oh, sweet.

00:25:37.000 You should get one.

00:25:38.000 It'll help you.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 And there's another thing called a teeter.

00:25:41.000 You know, those things you hang by your ankles?

00:25:43.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 Where you like decompress?

00:25:45.000 They developed one called the Dex where you hinge from your waist.

00:25:50.000 So you like get in this thing, you strap your legs in and you lean forward and it's like you're hanging from like that.

00:25:57.000 So you're hanging from your hips, like all your weight is being like set on your thighs and your back carries all the weight and it just slowly like pop, pop, pop, it decompresses.

00:26:10.000 It feels great.

00:26:13.000 That thing fucking rules.

00:26:14.000 I always tell everybody, if you have a back injury, you have back problems, that thing will help you a lot.

00:26:19.000 Just do that for a few minutes every day and eventually, you know, slowly over time, it creates space and it alleviates some of the pinching and problems that people have, depending, of course, on the severity of your injury.

00:26:32.000 But I love that thing.

00:26:34.000 All right.

00:26:36.000 Might be getting a couple pieces of equipment.

00:26:38.000 You gotta prevent.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, man.

00:26:40.000 So how the fuck did they talk you into hosting Fear Factor?

00:26:42.000 How'd that happen?

00:26:45.000 I met with Sharon Levy, who runs Endemon.

00:26:50.000 Hello, Sharon.

00:26:52.000 Shout out to Sharon Levy. 0.98

00:26:53.000 She's awesome. 0.83

00:26:54.000 And I was like, I'm on the fence.

00:27:01.000 And I sat down with her and I liked her so much because she seems like, how did a woman like you that is like awesome get a job as the head of you know? 0.63

00:27:14.000 She seems very rebellious.

00:27:14.000 Right.

00:27:16.000 Right.

00:27:17.000 And I just thought, yeah, I'm in.

00:27:20.000 So it happened over lunch.

00:27:23.000 Really?

00:27:24.000 Yeah, I really liked her.

00:27:26.000 One of the problems that we had with Fear Factors, we did 148 episodes initially, and then we came back for a brief amount of time, but they wanted to really ramp it up.

00:27:38.000 Like it was like these stunts are going to be bigger and crazier than ever.

00:27:41.000 And I was relieved when it got canceled because I was like, we're going to fuck somebody up.

00:27:47.000 Yeah, you felt what kind of, well, you have a couple of examples or.

00:27:52.000 Well, there was a bunch in the early days.

00:27:54.000 Like, first of all, the first one that we ever did where I was like, don't do this, was bull riding.

00:27:58.000 We made people bull ride. 0.77

00:28:00.000 And this one lady was like, she probably weighed like 98 pounds. 1.00

00:28:04.000 Right.

00:28:04.000 And she got on the back of the bull.

00:28:05.000 I'm like, she's not going to be able to hang on at all.

00:28:08.000 She's going to go flying.

00:28:09.000 It was hilarious.

00:28:10.000 Stunt guys are some of the most savage, fucking psychotic, zero fear at all for their safety.

00:28:20.000 Like they get so hardened by it over time.

00:28:23.000 Just not normal people.

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 And this guy, Perry, I was like, dude, you're going to make them ride a bull.

00:28:29.000 He's like, don't worry about it.

00:28:30.000 Boo, these are stunt bulls.

00:28:31.000 I go, that's what he said.

00:28:35.000 I go, is that bull know he's a stunt bull?

00:28:37.000 They got the sand card.

00:28:38.000 I bet he has no fucking idea.

00:28:40.000 I bet he just thinks he's a bull.

00:28:42.000 So they're in the cage before they do it.

00:28:44.000 The bull's fucking bucking.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 And he's just all fucking tang.

00:28:48.000 Yeah.

00:28:49.000 And I'm just going, don't.

00:28:50.000 I told the people, I'm like, don't do it.

00:28:51.000 Don't do it.

00:28:52.000 Just quit, man.

00:28:53.000 Just don't do it.

00:28:54.000 It was like one of the only things where I was, I was like, I wouldn't do it.

00:28:57.000 I'm telling you right now, I would never do this.

00:28:59.000 Were the bulls, were they the bulls that were because certain bulls, they get upset if you ride them, but after you fall off, they don't try to hook you.

00:29:08.000 Did these bulls try to hook them after they got they get. 0.96

00:29:10.000 They had handlers that steered the bull away from the people and they did a good job with that.

00:29:15.000 But I mean, who fucking knows, they don't want you on them.

00:29:19.000 They weigh 2,000 pounds, they're all muscle.

00:29:22.000 Like the thing was so powerful, like you could feel it when it was in the cage where it was just fucking moving around like don't do this.

00:29:31.000 And they're smart, like bulls are very smart.

00:29:34.000 That's why unfortunately uh, you know, in Spanish bullfighting they kill the bull, which i'm i'm i'm not on board with, but because they learn your movements.

00:29:48.000 You can't make the same movement right twice in a row with a bull because they're gonna go, oh okay, i'm gonna be, you're gonna do that and i'm gonna be right here waiting on you.

00:29:58.000 It's unfair and you can't have anyone move behind the fence when it's on, because bulls can easily jump over the fence that a lot of them just don't know they can.

00:30:10.000 So if you frighten them or provoke them, they're just gonna jump over the fence and then they have like 35 people they can smoke.

00:30:20.000 Yeah it's it's, it's when we work with bulls, it the, the set is different.

00:30:25.000 The set is different, the, the guy, Gary Lefew, who supplies our bulls.

00:30:31.000 He was world champion in 1970 and when we first started working with him and it stuck with us the whole time.

00:30:39.000 He's like, when we have bulls on the set I don't want anyone any kind of negativity going around the set.

00:30:47.000 It's already hard enough with the bull.

00:30:49.000 If there's anyone Negative or any negativity, that person's off the set.

00:30:54.000 Negativity, like in what way?

00:30:56.000 Just if there's any like saying negative things or they've had a fight with someone right before, any kind of negative vibes, no negative vibes.

00:31:06.000 The bull senses negative vibes?

00:31:08.000 Just, well, the whole, the whole everyone on the set senses negative vibes, and everyone has to be completely present and positive for this.

00:31:20.000 Is this voodoo or is this like real science?

00:31:23.000 No, I think it makes total sense, especially when you're doing stunts.

00:31:30.000 When you're doing a stunt that can forever alter you, I don't like any negativity either.

00:31:38.000 And also, if you're doing something that can forever alter you, you have to want to be there and want to be doing it.

00:31:46.000 You can't halfway go into it because then you're really going to get fucked up.

00:31:51.000 So this is just some.

00:31:53.000 This is knowledge you've acquired over time.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 If you like half commit in something that can forever, you're going to get, yeah, it's bad.

00:31:56.000 No, that's true.

00:32:05.000 It's going to be bad anyway, but you need to want to be there.

00:32:12.000 What a bizarre life skill.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:18.000 What a bizarre skill.

00:32:20.000 I know how to survive doing something you really shouldn't do that could alter you forever.

00:32:25.000 Stay positive.

00:32:27.000 Well, that's that.

00:32:28.000 It doesn't, it's not a guarantee, Joe, but it does, I think it does help.

00:32:34.000 We did a bunch of other stuff that was not bulls, like with cars and trucks and stuff where I was like, ooh.

00:32:42.000 Like we had a close call once with this lady who was strapped to the front of a truck and she was supposed to go through some sort of an obstacle course, but like they blew through some boxes and the box got on the windshield of the other car and the other car almost slammed into her legs.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 And she was screaming because she thought it hit her and it was like, we're like, what the fuck are we doing?

00:33:07.000 Was that when you guys came back for the second round?

00:33:10.000 Yeah, that was the second round.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, the second round was sketchy.

00:33:13.000 You know, we had people like getting, they were attached to a tree and they had to figure out which key to unlock them while a bungee cord was attached to them and a helicopter.

00:33:23.000 And so once they got the thing unlocked, they would fucking rock it off of this tree.

00:33:30.000 Up through the limbs.

00:33:31.000 No, no, no.

00:33:32.000 There was luckily, luckily it wasn't that.

00:33:34.000 There was no branches that could have got them.

00:33:36.000 But that would have been funnier.

00:33:38.000 It would have been funnier, like through the branches and shit.

00:33:40.000 So they rocket over a fucking giant canyon.

00:33:43.000 Like we're on the top of this canyon.

00:33:45.000 And they just went flying while they were being bungee jumped on the bottom of this fucking helicopter.

00:33:52.000 It was terrifying.

00:33:53.000 They were so high.

00:33:54.000 If anything went wrong, they were dead as fuck.

00:33:57.000 100% dead.

00:33:59.000 Oh, man.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:00.000 That's sketchy.

00:34:01.000 Oh, there was so much sketchy stuff.

00:34:03.000 And then it ultimately got canceled because they had to drink cum. 0.62

00:34:07.000 Did you ever see that episode?

00:34:09.000 No, no.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, that's what sunk us.

00:34:12.000 So there was only two times.

00:34:13.000 What year was what kind of Donkey Cum.

00:34:18.000 Oh.

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 That'll do it every time, Joe.

00:34:21.000 And they got Donkey Cum because it's the cheapest cum.

00:34:21.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.000 Boars.

00:34:27.000 Boars ejaculate 15 ounces at a time.

00:34:30.000 Whoa.

00:34:31.000 So.

00:34:32.000 A wild boar, like a pig?

00:34:34.000 Really?

00:34:34.000 Yeah.

00:34:35.000 15 ounces.

00:34:36.000 That's a lot.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 That's a fucking beer stein.

00:34:40.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 So this is it.

00:34:42.000 So these guys, that guy's drinking Donkey Cum and his brother's drinking Donkey Piss.

00:34:48.000 I'd offer the piss.

00:34:52.000 That guy chugged it.

00:34:53.000 He chugged Donkey Cum.

00:34:54.000 I'll get, I'm starting to drive.

00:34:56.000 That's a lot.

00:34:57.000 That was a lot of cum.

00:34:59.000 A black and tan kind of with the piss and the semen wouldn't have been a terrible idea. 1.00

00:35:03.000 It was so nasty.

00:35:05.000 Who were the girls there? 1.00

00:35:06.000 Well, they were all twins.

00:35:07.000 It was three sets of twins.

00:35:10.000 And they had to play horseshoes.

00:35:12.000 Like, her mascara's like.

00:35:14.000 She had to drink the semen, too. 0.68

00:35:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:19.000 And the thing is, three sets of people, three twins, three groups of twins did it.

00:35:26.000 And only one won the money.

00:35:28.000 Oh.

00:35:29.000 So two people drank Donkey Cum and two people drank Donkey Piss for nothing.

00:35:35.000 You know what the worst part of that is?

00:35:36.000 Semen burps later. 0.99

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:41.000 Just the just that bleachy smell that the ladies, like between the two of them, were fighting over who drank the piss. 1.00

00:35:50.000 They wanted to drink, they didn't want to drink the piss.

00:35:53.000 They were happy to drink the cum, which I guess tracks.

00:35:59.000 You know, like, been there, done that, not in that kind of volume, but what's the worst that could happen?

00:36:05.000 Whereas the guys were like really trying not to drink the cum, you know?

00:36:09.000 I don't know what they did to decide because they had to decide like one of them was going to drink cum, one of them's going to drink piss.

00:36:14.000 So that was one of two times, two times where I was hosting this show where I said to the producers, don't do this.

00:36:20.000 Don't do this.

00:36:21.000 I'm like, you're going to, the show's going to get canceled.

00:36:23.000 They're like, no, we're fine.

00:36:24.000 NBC approved it.

00:36:26.000 They did.

00:36:27.000 Like, they're the bellwethers of good.

00:36:29.000 There's a fucking guy on set who was like the NBC standards guy, the standards and practices guy.

00:36:36.000 And I'm like, you're okay with this?

00:36:38.000 Like, this is okay.

00:36:39.000 And they're like, yeah, the network's fine with it.

00:36:41.000 I'm like, this is so fucking.

00:36:43.000 You guys are too close to this.

00:36:45.000 I'm like, you guys are too close to this.

00:36:47.000 You don't understand how the general public's going to react.

00:36:49.000 And then I think what happened, I think it was TMZ, but someone leaked the footage online.

00:36:57.000 Someone leaked like images of people drinking cum, like Fear Factor crosses the line.

00:37:02.000 And then the outrage was palpable.

00:37:05.000 Like it was like some serious outrage.

00:37:07.000 And then that show never aired in America, but it aired overseas.

00:37:12.000 I think it aired in like maybe the Netherlands or something like that.

00:37:15.000 Right.

00:37:16.000 Which Germany. 0.80

00:37:17.000 Which is where Fear Factor actually came from.

00:37:20.000 Fear Factor was actually a show in the Netherlands called Now or Neverland.

00:37:25.000 And then they brought it over to America when End of All purchased it and then they changed it to, I think they came up with the name Fear Factor after that.

00:37:35.000 That was like why not was already on board.

00:37:38.000 Wow.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 I didn't know that.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 There was no, there was virtually no blowback after Pontius drank horse cum in jackass number two.

00:37:48.000 Never heard about it.

00:37:50.000 Well, it wasn't on TV, at least.

00:37:52.000 There's something about television.

00:37:54.000 You know, censored, you know, federal communications approved Fear Factor.

00:38:01.000 And they drank cum.

00:38:02.000 So that got us canceled.

00:38:04.000 That was it.

00:38:04.000 That was like 200, I guess, 11 or something like that.

00:38:09.000 12.

00:38:09.000 How many seasons do you do?

00:38:13.000 I think we did six or seven initially, and then we did another, yeah, and then we did another six episodes, one of them that never aired.

00:38:25.000 Did you help write creative?

00:38:27.000 No, You didn't want any part of that?

00:38:29.000 I had zero.

00:38:31.000 No, what I would do is I'd show up at work.

00:38:33.000 I'd get in my trailer.

00:38:34.000 I'd take an edible, and then I would go to the set.

00:38:36.000 And I'd be like, what do we got?

00:38:38.000 I did the first two, the first four episodes I did sober.

00:38:41.000 Then I was like, this is so boring.

00:38:43.000 I need to get high.

00:38:45.000 I would take pot lollipops and pot gummies and just get fucking lit and then enjoy it because then it was like, this is an adventure.

00:38:54.000 What a great crazy.

00:38:55.000 Oh, it was a fun gig.

00:38:56.000 Yeah.

00:38:57.000 I had so much fun too.

00:38:59.000 All I do is like, all I did was talk.

00:39:01.000 You know?

00:39:01.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 Oh, it's easy.

00:39:03.000 I ate a lot of shit.

00:39:04.000 I ate a lot of things to try to encourage people.

00:39:06.000 You know, like, because after a while, you got so much.

00:39:09.000 So you would do the things with them.

00:39:11.000 I'd be like, you could do it.

00:39:12.000 I'll do it for you.

00:39:12.000 Look, I'll do it.

00:39:13.000 Like, yeah.

00:39:13.000 And some of the times when I did it to just try to help people, I'm like, look, I'm going to show you.

00:39:18.000 I'm going to do it and then you're going to do it.

00:39:19.000 And then we didn't even air me doing it because I was like, because they didn't want to make it seem like it was, because I could do it easily.

00:39:19.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 Because I was so used to disgusting stuff.

00:39:28.000 I could just take a roach and just throw it down or take a worm and throw it down.

00:39:32.000 It's not that hard.

00:39:32.000 I'm like, just do it.

00:39:33.000 It's all in your fucking head.

00:39:35.000 Because I was trying to like, you know, I get it.

00:39:37.000 Like, coach people through it.

00:39:39.000 I, when I took the job, I'm like, I, this, I'm just going to like give people hell, you know, the whole time, you know, and make their fears worse.

00:39:49.000 But then I get to set and I, there's a human in front of you.

00:39:54.000 And I'm like, I don't know.

00:39:57.000 These are regular people and they really have fears.

00:39:59.000 So I'm going to try it.

00:40:00.000 I ended up like you trying to help them do it.

00:40:04.000 But I was, I never wanted to do what they were doing for the fact that I never wanted that footage to be seen.

00:40:16.000 Like I'm trying to, you know, like you were just like you had confidence that they wouldn't show that.

00:40:22.000 And I'm like, ah.

00:40:23.000 They showed a few things.

00:40:23.000 They showed me eating like spiders.

00:40:25.000 They showed me eating a roach.

00:40:27.000 But I ate a lot of stuff that they never saw.

00:40:29.000 Right.

00:40:30.000 Or I did some things that they, because I just wanted these people to get it.

00:40:33.000 No, I get it.

00:40:34.000 Like, you can do it.

00:40:35.000 It's in your head.

00:40:36.000 I'm like, you just got to decide, like, your mind has to decide, I'm just going to do this.

00:40:41.000 Just do it.

00:40:42.000 Just go ahead and do it.

00:40:42.000 Don't think about it, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing it.

00:40:44.000 Just fucking do it.

00:40:45.000 Chew, swallow, chew, swallow.

00:40:47.000 I would just talk them through it.

00:40:48.000 Yeah.

00:40:49.000 And I became like a fucking motivational coach or something like that.

00:40:53.000 It was weird.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, that's real because after there was on the first, there was one girl that quit. 1.00

00:41:02.000 She's like, I'm not continuing this bit, this stunt.

00:41:07.000 Can you say?

00:41:07.000 What was it?

00:41:08.000 It was something with snakes, right?

00:41:11.000 And it was a big fear.

00:41:12.000 And after that, I got the cast together and I'm like, at least always try to do what we're doing.

00:41:23.000 Don't let the fear stop you, right?

00:41:26.000 Just always try.

00:41:27.000 And after that, like everyone, even if they're horrified, they made an effort.

00:41:32.000 And I felt good about that.

00:41:34.000 And I think they did too.

00:41:35.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:41:36.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 I mean, some people, but it's sometimes good that someone quits.

00:41:41.000 So you realize, like, this is real.

00:41:43.000 Like, some people really like, especially snakes.

00:41:46.000 Snakes, there's something about aphidiophobia that I think is primal.

00:41:52.000 I think it's in your DNA.

00:41:53.000 I think either your ancestors were either bitten by a snake and barely survived, or someone saw someone die from a snake.

00:42:03.000 And that information is encoded in your DNA because the fear that people have of snakes is fucking wild.

00:42:12.000 Like when they have legitimate aphidiophobia, it is a fucking crazy fear to watch.

00:42:19.000 It's like their whole body locks up.

00:42:22.000 They start shaking.

00:42:23.000 Like, it's not a normal fear.

00:42:25.000 It's like an ancient caveman fear that's locked into their DNA.

00:42:29.000 Like someone thousands of years ago survived something like this.

00:42:35.000 And that's the only reason why you're here.

00:42:36.000 And every fiber of your being wants to fucking run away from snakes.

00:42:42.000 It's wonderful.

00:42:43.000 It has to be when someone has that and they want like bam terrified of snakes. 0.73

00:42:49.000 Oh, really?

00:42:49.000 Terrified.

00:42:51.000 And of course, we use that to our advantage.

00:42:55.000 Of course.

00:42:56.000 Well, we would make people fill out a questionnaire when they would sign up for Fear Factor.

00:42:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 Like, what are your fears?

00:43:02.000 Bites, snakes, spiders.

00:43:03.000 Well, you're getting heights, snakes, and spiders.

00:43:05.000 I would write tequila, whiskey, blowjobs.

00:43:10.000 I hate back massages.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 It was fascinating because, like, you know, I had a background in martial arts and teaching.

00:43:20.000 And one of the things that I did when I was younger was I took a lot of people to tournaments.

00:43:25.000 And I coached a lot of people in Taekwondo No tournaments and they'd be fucking terrified.

00:43:30.000 And I would learned how to lock in with them and how to get them into a certain mindset, you know, as a coach.

00:43:37.000 And I'd be like, look, you're going to get past this, and this is going to be like one of the highlights of your life because you're absolutely terrified.

00:43:43.000 And this fear on the other side will be a completely different feeling.

00:43:49.000 You'll have a feeling of accomplishment.

00:43:50.000 You'll have a feeling of an understanding, of knowing that you can overcome very terrifying situations and you can triumph and you can do this.

00:43:59.000 Like you have skills.

00:44:01.000 You just have to be able to go out there and perform and you can do it.

00:44:04.000 And I'd get in their head.

00:44:06.000 I carried that over to Fear Factor sometimes because there were people that just needed help.

00:44:11.000 Like they didn't, they had never experienced anything that really freaked them out before.

00:44:15.000 They'd never experienced the kind of pressure of not just a competition, but a competition where they're doing something kind of dangerous.

00:44:22.000 Something that really fucking freaked them out.

00:44:24.000 They have to hold their breath underwater for like two minutes while they swim through a fucking thing.

00:44:28.000 And we have rescue divers under there to rescue them and there's panic.

00:44:32.000 And it was like, that was one thing that was really satisfying was being able to like take a person who was ready to fucking quit and then they went on and won the whole thing.

00:44:42.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 That's that does make you feel good to push someone to the other side.

00:44:48.000 And the survivor's euphoria waiting for you.

00:44:51.000 Well, I heard that, I read about that term.

00:44:57.000 Survivor's euphoria.

00:44:59.000 And I realized I'd experienced it.

00:45:01.000 Multiple times.

00:45:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:04.000 There's a you ever heard of Colonel John Paul Stapp?

00:45:07.000 No.

00:45:08.000 He was a doctor, a biophysicist, flight surgeon, and he worked with Chuck Yeager and all that out at Edwards.

00:45:26.000 It was, it's now Edwards Air Force Base.

00:45:29.000 And they were conducting experiments on what happens to a pilot when they eject at high altitude.

00:45:39.000 And Colonel John Paul Stapp, because these experiments were gnarly.

00:45:45.000 They were on deceleration.

00:45:47.000 They built this huge sled out in the desert, and he would strap himself in because the thinking at the time was if you're going to do something, a very dangerous experiment, a lot of times people back then would put themselves at the center because they didn't want to.

00:46:05.000 Of course, they had other people doing it, and he did it most, though.

00:46:09.000 So they would go hundreds of miles per hour, yes.

00:46:12.000 Whoa.

00:46:13.000 Hundreds of miles per hour and stop within eight feet.

00:46:18.000 And at the time, I think they thought you could only experience maybe 18 Gs of deceleration.

00:46:27.000 He at one time experienced 49 Gs of deceleration.

00:46:32.000 I think it's the most ever that any human is.

00:46:35.000 And he went blind for a little bit.

00:46:37.000 And he knew that was going to happen because he'd had that happen before in these experiments.

00:46:43.000 And the night before, the one where he got 49 G's, experienced 49 Gs, he went around his house with his eyes closed and just trying to do things like cook.

00:46:55.000 And if he did go blind forever, he's one of the most, he would, he, at one time, he was known as the fastest man alive on that sled.

00:47:05.000 He went faster than anyone at the time.

00:47:08.000 He and he's the reason we have seat belts in cars.

00:47:11.000 He's one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century.

00:47:15.000 He was on the cover of Time magazine.

00:47:17.000 No one knows who he is today.

00:47:18.000 Wow.

00:47:19.000 But he talked about survivor's euphoria, and that's where I learned about it.

00:47:24.000 What did he say about it?

00:47:25.000 Just the endorphins that get released after going through something like that, and that you did survive.

00:47:35.000 And it's just fills you up.

00:47:39.000 And so he knew he was going to go blind, and he did it anyway.

00:47:42.000 He knew that there was a high probability of going blind.

00:47:46.000 And a possibility of being blind forever.

00:47:48.000 Yes.

00:47:49.000 And he was blind for like a couple days before it started getting sensing light again.

00:47:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:59.000 He's an amazing, amazing person.

00:48:03.000 I did a flight with the Blue Angels once.

00:48:06.000 How was that?

00:48:07.000 It was amazing.

00:48:08.000 First of all, you don't think of that being a physical thing, that those guys have to be physically fit.

00:48:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:17.000 Well, you go to, when we went to the base, before you, you know, do the whole safety thing, they explain everything, what you're going to have to do.

00:48:25.000 You see that these guys are all fucking jacked.

00:48:28.000 They're all like superheroes.

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 It's because they're not the bigot.

00:48:33.000 They're short like me.

00:48:34.000 And they're all like thick.

00:48:36.000 They're all like fucking jacked dudes. 0.91

00:48:37.000 And they were like, well, first of all, you don't want to be tall because it's all about how much time it takes for the blood to get from your heart to your brain.

00:48:47.000 And the shorter distance it has to travel, the better off you are.

00:48:51.000 And you have to be physically strong because you do it.

00:48:53.000 Have you ever done it?

00:48:54.000 You ever done a flight in a fighter jet?

00:48:57.000 No, but we did the vomit comet in Russia. 0.63

00:49:00.000 Okay.

00:49:00.000 But Steve O went up in a MIG.

00:49:02.000 They do a thing called hooking.

00:49:04.000 So what it is, is like you hold on to the joystick or you, there's straps that strap your legs down as well.

00:49:10.000 You know, like you're really harnessed in.

00:49:11.000 You hold on to your straps.

00:49:13.000 You go like this.

00:49:16.000 And what you're literally doing is forcing blood into your brain because you feel consciousness closing like an elevator door.

00:49:24.000 It's like you feel the pressure, like you're going black.

00:49:27.000 You literally see it.

00:49:28.000 You see the darkness on the side of the floor.

00:49:32.000 And you're just trying to keep the blood in your brain.

00:49:35.000 We went seven and a half G's, but the guy in front of me, while we're doing this, so you're taking this fucking heart. 0.84

00:49:41.000 You're like flying through these canyons.

00:49:43.000 Like he was going for it.

00:49:44.000 Like he really took me on a ride.

00:49:46.000 It wasn't a safe ride.

00:49:47.000 It was wild.

00:49:48.000 We were like a couple hundred feet off the ground, maybe, and whipping through these canyons, taking these fucking hard turns.

00:49:54.000 And I heard him going, hoot, hoot, hoot.

00:49:57.000 So I'm going, oh, fuck, he's blacking out too.

00:50:00.000 I'm like, we're going hundreds of miles an hour, just like 100 feet off the ground, whipping through these canyons.

00:50:06.000 This guy's about to fucking black out too.

00:50:09.000 That's not what you want to hear.

00:50:10.000 It was terrifying, but also like super educational.

00:50:15.000 Like, you know, you just see people flying around.

00:50:17.000 You're like, oh, it's probably like driving a car.

00:50:19.000 No, it's unbelievably physically demanding.

00:50:22.000 And the Blue Angels, they don't use gravity suits.

00:50:25.000 Or at least they didn't.

00:50:26.000 No, no, what?

00:50:27.000 They don't use decompression suits?

00:50:29.000 No, no, it's just a regular flight suit.

00:50:32.000 Well, did they not go up to a certain what altitude were they?

00:50:35.000 Well, this is a form.

00:50:36.000 It's a jet.

00:50:37.000 It's not like you have to, like, you're not in a spaceship, right?

00:50:40.000 So the whole thing is just about being able to stay conscious.

00:50:44.000 And the thing about the gravity suit is, I guess, somehow or another, it aids your ability to absorb all those G's.

00:50:51.000 I'm not really educated about it, but I just do know that he said there's ways that you wear suits that make this easier, but they don't wear the suits.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, I think if you go up to a certain altitude, you have to have the dude.

00:51:03.000 This wasn't an altitude thing.

00:51:05.000 Right, right.

00:51:05.000 This was just a G-Force thing.

00:51:07.000 It was just the hard turns.

00:51:09.000 It was like the wicked turns at hundreds of miles an hour.

00:51:12.000 And also just thinking about the tolerances of the aircraft itself and the pressure that's on the hull.

00:51:19.000 Because the feeling of being in a jet, going 100 miles an hour, hundreds of miles an hour, and then hitting a hard turn.

00:51:28.000 It's just your whole body just like fuck.

00:51:32.000 And you're just along for the ride.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:36.000 I mean, they're so skilled to be able to overcome the forces.

00:51:41.000 He let me do some stuff.

00:51:42.000 Like I got to make the jet do a loop.

00:51:46.000 I got to get it to roll over, to get it to go upside down and go back over.

00:51:46.000 Wow.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, he showed me how to do that.

00:51:52.000 Wow.

00:51:53.000 You were in control of it?

00:51:54.000 Well, I mean, he's there too.

00:51:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:57.000 He's really fucking stupid.

00:51:58.000 I'm sure he has ultimate control, but I have a joystick too.

00:52:01.000 He's allowed to do some stuff.

00:52:03.000 Do you think, I mean, they could give you a joystick and it not be connected to anything too and make you just say you could.

00:52:11.000 But it was connected.

00:52:12.000 You could clearly tell while you're moving it.

00:52:14.000 Oh, man.

00:52:14.000 Right.

00:52:15.000 That's pretty scary.

00:52:16.000 It made you want to get one of those things.

00:52:18.000 Like, how dope would it be to have one of those?

00:52:20.000 Get one of those jets?

00:52:22.000 Because you can get one of those.

00:52:24.000 If you're like a super rich guy.

00:52:26.000 Well, yeah, you can get one, but you got to, you know.

00:52:28.000 I mean, how much is a, because we looked this up one day.

00:52:32.000 You could buy like decommissioned fighter jets.

00:52:35.000 You know, they don't have any machine guns on them or anything crazy, but you can get a decommissioned fighter jet.

00:52:39.000 If you're like some fucking psychotic billionaire and you got your own landing strip, you could get a fucking fighter jet.

00:52:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:47.000 Which is gnarly.

00:52:48.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 I mean, if you go to Russia, you could probably get one fully loaded.

00:52:52.000 $1,500, dog.

00:52:53.000 $1,500.

00:52:55.000 $1.5 million.

00:52:58.000 It's a million five.

00:52:58.000 A million.

00:53:02.000 Well, shit.

00:53:03.000 $395,000.

00:53:03.000 Look at this one.

00:53:05.000 You get one.

00:53:06.000 What's like a really dope one?

00:53:08.000 It's like, go look, make it price.

00:53:10.000 Okay, 5-4.

00:53:12.000 What is that one?

00:53:13.000 For $5 million, what do you get?

00:53:16.000 A $1992 McDonnell Douglas Skyhawk.

00:53:21.000 Ooh.

00:53:22.000 I mean, for that price, you should get a couple of rockets with it.

00:53:25.000 Well, I bet you could go to Russia and they'll give you some rockets.

00:53:25.000 Come on.

00:53:27.000 Oh, man.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, we shot in Russia and you can literally do anything you want in Russia.

00:53:33.000 They let me get on a military base and shoot missiles out of a cannon.

00:53:38.000 They took Steve-O up in a MIG. 0.60

00:53:43.000 This is back when we were friendly with Russia.

00:53:45.000 Yeah.

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00:54:49.000 Yeah, it's like 2005.

00:54:53.000 Wow.

00:54:53.000 And it was wild.

00:54:57.000 Russia, we had so much fun.

00:55:00.000 Do you ever look back on how surreal your life has been and all these experiences?

00:55:08.000 I feel it a lot.

00:55:10.000 Like, for example, in Russia, because growing up, like you would do those disaster drills in school in case Russia dropped the bomb and run out behind your locker and put your head between your legs. 0.74

00:55:24.000 Like that would help if a bomb was dropped.

00:55:27.000 But they were such the bad guy.

00:55:29.000 And then it was 2005 and now I'm on it, been in movies and I'm over there.

00:55:36.000 And that felt very surreal to be in Russia and think about what's happened to my life.

00:55:45.000 There are moments like that.

00:55:46.000 Well, it was weird too because you got out of it and became a movie star, but then you were doing it again.

00:55:54.000 Like you were right back in.

00:55:56.000 And it kind of started in Russia, actually.

00:56:01.000 We were doing a bit.

00:56:05.000 We'd done a few things over in Russia, and we were doing something with the Russian Special Forces where we were on through this, what do you call it?

00:56:18.000 When there's dogs and obstacle course?

00:56:21.000 Yeah, we're on an obstacle course.

00:56:23.000 And they had all these things set up.

00:56:25.000 I'm like, all right, well, I was like, Jeff, why don't you have their attack dog attack me and then shoot me with the rubber bullets and then have the guy kick me in the face when I get to the end.

00:56:42.000 And we shot that and the dog attacked me and the Russian guy, the special forces guy said, I'm not going to kick you in the face.

00:56:53.000 But he did deliver a nice blow to my solar plexus.

00:56:59.000 I had to beg him to do it three times to like, no, you got to do it as hard as you can.

00:57:05.000 But Jeff pulled me aside and goes, look, this was just for a while, the TV show Wild Boys.

00:57:09.000 I would travel with them sometimes.

00:57:11.000 He goes, if you're going to go this hard for basic cable, why don't we do another movie?

00:57:17.000 And I was like, all right.

00:57:20.000 How many movies have you guys done?

00:57:23.000 We've done four.

00:57:26.000 And we just announced we're going to do, I just announced we're going to do another, it was going to be out June 26th.

00:57:33.000 Have you filmed it already?

00:57:34.000 No, we're about to film it in February.

00:57:38.000 Oh, late February.

00:57:41.000 So start then.

00:57:42.000 Yeah.

00:57:43.000 Do you feel apprehension?

00:57:45.000 Do you feel like, you know?

00:57:47.000 No.

00:57:48.000 Like...

00:57:49.000 But you can't get a concussion.

00:57:51.000 No, I can't get any concussions, but I mean, I don't care if I break my arm or leg.

00:57:56.000 No one cares about that.

00:57:58.000 You don't care about breaking your arm or your leg?

00:58:00.000 No.

00:58:00.000 Really?

00:58:01.000 Really?

00:58:01.000 No.

00:58:02.000 No.

00:58:03.000 So this is something.

00:58:04.000 This is like a feeling.

00:58:05.000 You've developed this.

00:58:07.000 I don't care.

00:58:08.000 You didn't have that when you first started doing it.

00:58:12.000 Well, if you went back to the point, there was probably some self-worth issues when I began.

00:58:19.000 It didn't come from a healthy place, Joe.

00:58:21.000 But it's not just that.

00:58:23.000 It's like you don't have a fear of being radically injured.

00:58:26.000 Because you blow your knee out or you blow your leg out.

00:58:29.000 You're limping for the rest of your life.

00:58:32.000 It doesn't.

00:58:32.000 I don't.

00:58:33.000 That doesn't bother me.

00:58:34.000 No.

00:58:35.000 God, I'm so averse to that shit.

00:58:38.000 It's like the producer side of me overrides the performer side.

00:58:43.000 It's like, hey, but we're going to get footage.

00:58:46.000 And it's about as simple as that.

00:58:49.000 So you'll still do dangerous shit.

00:58:52.000 You just don't want to do anything that you can do.

00:58:54.000 I can't get any concussions.

00:58:55.000 I don't care about.

00:58:56.000 But if you're going to be in a violent situation where you could break an arm or a leg, you easily could get a concussion as well.

00:58:56.000 Yeah.

00:59:04.000 Well, you got to assess, Joe.

00:59:08.000 Risk assessment.

00:59:10.000 What the fuck does your waivers look like?

00:59:15.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:59:17.000 It was, you know, on the first movie, the insurance companies insured it per bit.

00:59:23.000 They didn't insure the whole movie.

00:59:25.000 They just insured it per bit.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, that's how they did it with Fear Factor as well.

00:59:29.000 So some bits costs were, the insurance was going to be more than the whole first movie.

00:59:35.000 So can't do those.

00:59:37.000 But after that, we find a shady insurance company and they take care of us.

00:59:43.000 Once you started acting, though, and doing big movies, wasn't there any part of you who was like, okay, I'm done with this?

00:59:50.000 No.

00:59:53.000 It's so fun.

00:59:54.000 It's something that I created with my friends.

00:59:58.000 Right?

00:59:58.000 Right, right, right.

01:00:00.000 And then there's probably my wires got crossed somehow, and then I learned to like it.

01:00:07.000 I would love it, you know.

01:00:12.000 I guess it's like a comedian learning to love bombing, right?

01:00:20.000 No one learns to love bombing.

01:00:23.000 Really?

01:00:24.000 I've talked to a couple comedians, and they're like, you got to learn to love it and basically not fear it.

01:00:31.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 And I kind of did that with stunts, I guess.

01:00:38.000 I like learned to, I just, I just liked it.

01:00:44.000 Wow.

01:00:45.000 You ever talk to a shrink about that?

01:00:48.000 Well, while I was doing, I have to, I know, I have a therapist, and I'm like, okay, we can talk about everything in my life, but not the part of me that does stunts.

01:01:00.000 Really?

01:01:01.000 Because I didn't want to unwind that, even though it went sideways quite a few times.

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 That's a wild statement.

01:01:11.000 I didn't want to unwind that.

01:01:13.000 So I've looked into it a little now that I can't get any more concussions.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 Don't crush my career.

01:01:22.000 What is, yeah, right?

01:01:23.000 What a crazy job for the therapist. 0.95

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 Like the one area where you really probably should address.

01:01:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:32.000 You have this like overall, what is Johnny Knoxville?

01:01:36.000 What's going on in his head?

01:01:37.000 And there's this one door.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, you can't go in that room.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, we can't.

01:01:41.000 The biggest problem we can address.

01:01:46.000 It's kind of a crazy thing.

01:01:48.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 Well, again, I should have went to college.

01:01:52.000 Do you get annoyed having to answer all these questions all the time about that kind of shit?

01:01:57.000 Because after a while, I would imagine that is the most common thing that people would want to talk to you about.

01:02:03.000 Like, how many times have you been hurt?

01:02:05.000 What happened?

01:02:06.000 What is it like?

01:02:08.000 No, I don't.

01:02:09.000 I mean, I, again, I get the joke, what I would be doing if I wasn't doing this.

01:02:16.000 So I'm grateful.

01:02:19.000 And so if somebody wants to talk about it, let's talk.

01:02:21.000 Well, you're obviously a smart guy.

01:02:23.000 I don't buy that.

01:02:24.000 You could do anything.

01:02:26.000 Well, when I started down this road, this was my best guess.

01:02:31.000 So, you know, it just became something I'm doing.

01:02:39.000 And, yeah, I guess I did want to write, but I incorporate that into the movies.

01:02:47.000 It was a very strange life, Johnny.

01:02:50.000 Yeah, I guess, yeah.

01:02:52.000 For sure.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, I kind of created the environment that I grew up in with my father.

01:03:07.000 He owned a tire company, and he had all these crazy characters working for him, like people like Big George, Ass Kicking Robert, this guy SDs named Super Dick.

01:03:22.000 One guy named W.W. Woodrow Wilson Boxcar Johnson Jr.

01:03:26.000 He was the tire groover who was always getting arrested for one thing or another.

01:03:33.000 And he was always pranking these people at work, his people that work for him.

01:03:39.000 He would stage gunfights at Christmas parties.

01:03:43.000 What?

01:03:44.000 He did this twice.

01:03:46.000 One year at the Christmas party, he gave a couple of the guys, his employees, guns and said, okay, I want you guys to get an argument, and I want to culminate with you pulling out a gun and firing, and you pulling out your gun.

01:03:58.000 They were blank guns.

01:04:00.000 And everyone just, it was in a pretty gnarly part of town, too, but everyone just ran out into the streets.

01:04:07.000 Dad was ecstatic.

01:04:09.000 So the next year, so the next year there are two new employees, and he's like, hey, hey, Merle, come over here.

01:04:15.000 Are you guys, you're going to get in a fight?

01:04:17.000 And you're going to start yelling and you're going to pull out the guns.

01:04:20.000 And it's the same gag.

01:04:22.000 So they did it, and they were very excited.

01:04:24.000 And they pulled out the gun, started firing, but dad had given everyone else in the party blank guns.

01:04:28.000 So they started firing back at those goose.

01:04:30.000 Those dudes take off running down the street.

01:04:33.000 So, yeah, it's just kind of imitating what my father did, I guess.

01:04:39.000 Does your father feel any responsibility?

01:04:42.000 Dad loved jackass, but hated the parts where I would do stunts.

01:04:48.000 My whole family did.

01:04:50.000 Of course.

01:04:52.000 And, but they, you know, I just doing what I saw growing up, he would send letters to his friends from the VD clinic, rubber stamped on the envelope, saying you have to list your last 10 partners because you've contracted a venereal disease, signed Dr. Harlan C. Titmore.

01:05:11.000 But people would get these letters, or worse, the guy's wife would get the letter.

01:05:17.000 And the thing about something like that, people become angry and emotional, and then they believe everything.

01:05:24.000 That's the great thing about pranks.

01:05:25.000 If you can get someone so wound up that they're really emotional, they'll believe anything.

01:05:30.000 And so this guy would come home from work, and then the mother, like his wife would be there.

01:05:36.000 The wife's mother would be there.

01:05:38.000 He had a gun pulled on him over that once.

01:05:42.000 A real gun.

01:05:43.000 Oh, yeah, real guns.

01:05:47.000 Your dad sounds like a fucking maniac.

01:05:49.000 He would send letters out from the IRS telling people they're going to be audited.

01:05:58.000 He got visited by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation over that.

01:06:02.000 He didn't do that anymore.

01:06:06.000 Well, that makes more sense now.

01:06:08.000 Okay, so you grew up in a very unusual environment.

01:06:12.000 Yeah, very unusual.

01:06:15.000 How did your dad get started doing shit like that?

01:06:18.000 I don't know.

01:06:18.000 He just had that personality.

01:06:20.000 He was such a shit starter.

01:06:22.000 He should have been in show business is what should have been, but he used him not.

01:06:28.000 Did you ever think about using him?

01:06:30.000 Uh...

01:06:31.000 He was in one episode when we were doing the TV show.

01:06:37.000 My mom and him were in the episode.

01:06:40.000 But he wrote a couple of bits for Jack.

01:06:43.000 He was like, hey, I want you to do this.

01:06:45.000 And we filmed a couple.

01:06:46.000 See, he loved that.

01:06:48.000 So, yeah, he, I don't know.

01:06:54.000 He didn't know how to go about being in show business.

01:06:57.000 Neither did I either.

01:06:58.000 But it seems like he was doing his own, almost like a local play.

01:07:01.000 He was doing his own version of it for himself.

01:07:03.000 Yeah.

01:07:04.000 Oh, for sure.

01:07:05.000 Just to entertain himself.

01:07:08.000 I guess you could do that when you're the boss.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 He, like I in high school.

01:07:13.000 He's a crazy guy to work for.

01:07:14.000 I'd be laying on the couch.

01:07:16.000 I took a nap.

01:07:17.000 You know, it was like a junior, senior, or whatever.

01:07:20.000 And I felt something go through my lips.

01:07:25.000 And he had went and got a hot dog and microwaved it until it was lukewarm and drugged the hot dog through my lips.

01:07:33.000 And then when I woke up, he acted like he was zipping his pants.

01:07:41.000 He thought just him laughing at his own joke just made everything.

01:07:45.000 He thought it was the funniest thing.

01:07:47.000 And then, like, you're on board too.

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:51.000 He was a character.

01:07:52.000 Well, that makes more sense now.

01:07:54.000 Yeah.

01:07:54.000 Because I'm like, how does a normal guy dive into something like Jackass?

01:08:00.000 That makes more sense.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:01.000 You were sort of indoctrinated at an early age.

01:08:04.000 Very early.

01:08:05.000 Some of the shit that made me the most uncomfortable was the wild boy stuff.

01:08:09.000 Like Steve-O showed me a video of him when he climbed a tree and the lions came up the tree and took his hat.

01:08:18.000 Which is disrespectful if you think about it.

01:08:21.000 Just take his hat?

01:08:22.000 Fortunate because if they didn't have the hat, they might have just grabbed his whole head and just dragged him off. 0.82

01:08:28.000 You know?

01:08:29.000 I mean, those were actual lions.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, no, they weren't pet lions.

01:08:33.000 You're entering into a situation that's unpredictable and kind of hoping for the best is what you're doing.

01:08:40.000 And they didn't have any backup plan.

01:08:44.000 I mean, when you're in a tree and the lions go up the tree to get you, there's nothing really anybody could do to help you.

01:08:52.000 By the time, if it gets a hold of you, you're dead.

01:08:55.000 There's nothing anyway.

01:08:56.000 Like, here's an example of the backup plans we have.

01:09:00.000 Steve-O's filming a bit with an alligator on Jackass, and our safety guy, Manny Puig, who dives in swamps at night with the miners light to pull alligators up to the surface in crocodiles.

01:09:13.000 He's Tarzan.

01:09:14.000 He's Tarzan.

01:09:16.000 He was our safety guy.

01:09:17.000 And it's like, okay, if this goes south, what do we do?

01:09:21.000 Manny goes, okay, we're going to be doing this stunt with the alligator.

01:09:24.000 And if the alligator grabs a hold of Steve-O and bites him, hopefully he will let go.

01:09:30.000 And that was it.

01:09:31.000 That was the whole plan.

01:09:33.000 There's no like pokemon in the eyes.

01:09:36.000 There's no like.

01:09:36.000 If the gator doesn't want to let go, he's not going to let go.

01:09:41.000 So.

01:09:45.000 Fuck, dude.

01:09:46.000 Yeah.

01:09:47.000 The wild animals ones are the nutty.

01:09:49.000 One of the ones where you guys are playing keep away with hyenas.

01:09:55.000 They have the strong, like one of the strongest jaw, the bite in the animal kingdom.

01:10:00.000 Maybe like third or fourth.

01:10:01.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 What are you going to do?

01:10:03.000 There's nothing you can do.

01:10:04.000 Just hope for the best.

01:10:06.000 Yeah, and they have instincts.

01:10:07.000 Like if you twist your ankle and they see you limping.

01:10:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:11.000 I was doing a thing with we were in Argentina at this zoo and we were like, hey, can I get in with the lions?

01:10:23.000 Because there was a couple of keepers in there with it.

01:10:25.000 And they're like, yeah, come on in.

01:10:28.000 And they're like, but whatever you do, don't trip and fall.

01:10:34.000 I'm like, oh, shit.

01:10:37.000 And so I got on a bike and started riding around the pen.

01:10:41.000 And they're like, if we give you a signal, you got to.

01:10:45.000 And so I'm riding around the pen.

01:10:46.000 They're like, no, Get down.

01:10:49.000 Get off.

01:10:49.000 Get up.

01:10:50.000 Because the lion locked in on me and was about to attack me.

01:10:54.000 And they hurried me out of the pen.

01:10:56.000 And afterwards, they're like, yeah, that was the first time anyone, asides from us, has been in the pen with them.

01:11:01.000 And it's also mating season, so he's very aggressive.

01:11:05.000 Like, well, I wish he'd have told me that before I got in there.

01:11:07.000 Well, I still would have gone in there, but it was a real half-ass type of situation.

01:11:14.000 It's just like, you guys just have avoided death over and over and over again.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, we've been lucky.

01:11:24.000 But like, that's a fucked-up way to go through life.

01:11:30.000 I guess, but relaxing philosophically.

01:11:35.000 I don't know, man.

01:11:36.000 It just went to the bottom.

01:11:40.000 And for sure, you entertain the fuck out of millions and millions of people who laughed their asses off and had a great fucking time watching.

01:11:49.000 I get, I don't know why, but I get anxiety.

01:11:51.000 I have a really hard time watching those things.

01:11:54.000 Yeah.

01:11:55.000 I avoid them.

01:11:56.000 Like a lot of my friends, like, we're going to see Jackass.

01:11:58.000 I'm like, I don't, I can't.

01:12:00.000 I get freaked out.

01:12:01.000 I don't want anybody to get hurt.

01:12:03.000 It's weird.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, I feel that way when one of the guys is doing something like pretty gnarly.

01:12:11.000 I'm not ecstatic over watching something that could have a forever consequence.

01:12:17.000 But with me, I don't know.

01:12:20.000 I'm just like, let's go.

01:12:21.000 I just, it's, I just, it's fun.

01:12:24.000 I know, but even after you have a family and even after, you know, you have kids that are watching the dad get fucked up. 0.62

01:12:32.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:12:33.000 I wouldn't, I didn't want my kids to see that, you know.

01:12:38.000 But they had to see.

01:12:39.000 At a certain age, like, I didn't let my oldest daughter, she could watch things with We Man or this or that, and but I didn't let her come to a movie until she was 14.

01:12:52.000 I made her sit right next to me.

01:12:54.000 And I said, Madison, there's sometimes you have to close your eyes, sometimes cover your ears, and sometimes both.

01:12:59.000 And I had the list of bits.

01:13:00.000 And so it was, I censored it even then.

01:13:06.000 But now it's the internet.

01:13:07.000 It's a fucking free-for-all.

01:13:09.000 Yeah.

01:13:10.000 So I guess my younger kids, I think, you know, they saw it a little earlier.

01:13:15.000 I get with, I only showed my son like a year ago in my daughter's six months ago.

01:13:21.000 It's a good reaction that he was on board.

01:13:28.000 My youngest daughter, she thought a lot of things were funny, but I don't know.

01:13:31.000 I guess I don't know how she felt because they only, my youngest only saw the first jackass movie, which is pretty tame compared to the others.

01:13:43.000 Looking back, it's pretty innocent, even though Ryan Dunn shoved a car up his ass to get an x-ray little toy car.

01:13:52.000 Did you see that bitch? 1.00

01:13:54.000 Yes.

01:13:55.000 Yeah, that one worked.

01:14:01.000 Do you worry that they're going to follow in your footsteps?

01:14:03.000 No.

01:14:04.000 No.

01:14:04.000 Well, I have daughters, and they're just naturally more bright.

01:14:12.000 And my son, like, he would joke about it, like, to his mom, that he's going to, but he's not going to.

01:14:21.000 He's bright, too.

01:14:23.000 They have options.

01:14:26.000 I didn't see a lot of options for myself.

01:14:29.000 It's weird that you said that, like, your daughters are bright, because girls are definitely more risk-averse and like ridiculous situations like that.

01:14:37.000 Think things through.

01:14:40.000 I have a way harder time watching girls get hurt. 0.98

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:45.000 I don't, I don't.

01:14:50.000 We had a girl on the show. 0.97

01:14:52.000 She like broke her lower back. 1.00

01:15:01.000 She was doing a thing.

01:15:03.000 We're doing a just an it was a pretty tame stunt compared to the ones we do.

01:15:08.000 She was going down like a, it was grass, but it was like a big hill on a, like a some kind of rubber raft.

01:15:17.000 And she had her lav mic at the lower, on her lower back.

01:15:21.000 And she came off, and that was the impact area. 0.56

01:15:25.000 And for the longest, and it really was a bummer for everybody, you know, and I'm like, I don't, I didn't have, we didn't have a female cast member for a long time.

01:15:38.000 What was the extensive extensive?

01:15:40.000 It was, it was, she was in the hospital for a little bit.

01:15:42.000 She's fine now.

01:15:43.000 I just saw her at the Jackass Art Show in November and she's fine, but it sucks.

01:15:50.000 You had a jackass art show?

01:15:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:53.000 Because it was our 25th anniversary last year, and I'm like, let's have an art show and have, we have some cast members and crew members who are good artists.

01:16:01.000 And I'm like, let's reach out to some big artists to see if they'll do it.

01:16:07.000 And we did.

01:16:10.000 It's the first time I ever curated an art show.

01:16:12.000 And I was like, fuck, I'm going to reach out to Damien Hearst to see if he'll do it.

01:16:20.000 And he ended up doing 10 pieces of art for it.

01:16:24.000 I was like, wow.

01:16:26.000 You know, I was really blown away by the good vibes that we got from everyone over it.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, because you guys didn't just create a show.

01:16:42.000 You created like a chapter in modern pop culture history.

01:16:49.000 Really?

01:16:49.000 Because it became one of the most entertaining things ever and one of the most ridiculous things ever.

01:16:58.000 Wow.

01:16:59.000 Yeah, that's tough to I never really walked down those roads.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

01:17:10.000 I appreciate you saying that, though, but it's it's it's odd, you know, to entertain that thought.

01:17:17.000 Especially if you see me and Tremaine sitting around writing ideas, you're like, these two idiots did that.

01:17:25.000 Like, if you could see how we shoot, it's just you, it's amazing we get any footage at all, Joe.

01:17:34.000 Jeff Ross came out with this on Jackass Number Two.

01:17:36.000 We're doing some bit and some prank with me and Spike as old people.

01:17:43.000 And me and Spike would like hit bus stops and anywhere where there was people.

01:17:53.000 And we would jump out and start doing pranks before the cameras even arrived.

01:17:57.000 And it was driving Jeff insane.

01:17:58.000 He's like, you guys shoot a movie like it's a pickup basketball game.

01:18:02.000 And he just roasted us for about five minutes straight.

01:18:06.000 And it was all accurate.

01:18:07.000 It's like, it's amazing we get any footage.

01:18:09.000 Yeah, but like that's the spirit of it is that you're doing it for fun.

01:18:14.000 So you would be doing it if the cameras were on or not.

01:18:17.000 You're doing it for yourselves as much as you're doing it for the camera.

01:18:20.000 Oh, for sure.

01:18:21.000 Yeah.

01:18:22.000 Which is why it's so good.

01:18:24.000 I don't know how to make other people laugh, right?

01:18:29.000 If I'm writing a bit, I don't.

01:18:31.000 That would freeze me.

01:18:33.000 But I know how to make my friends laugh.

01:18:35.000 And if they're laughing, I think, we may have something.

01:18:39.000 And that's the only bellwether.

01:18:42.000 Like, if you do something, like in the magic trick with the bull, we did that twice.

01:18:49.000 Cause the first time, the first bull just came and didn't really knock me up in the air.

01:18:56.000 He just got me on the ground and just started plowing me, stomping me. 0.52

01:19:01.000 And I got up, and everyone was looking at me like, yeah.

01:19:05.000 I'm like, all right.

01:19:06.000 And I looked at Jeff and he's like, I'm like, all right, bring the other bull in.

01:19:12.000 That sucks.

01:19:13.000 Take two with bulls always sucks.

01:19:18.000 You're hoping you get that first one.

01:19:20.000 Oh, God.

01:19:21.000 The things with the animals are the ones I think that freaked me out the most.

01:19:24.000 So Wild Boys was the hardest one for me to watch.

01:19:27.000 I've really struggled with that show.

01:19:29.000 Yeah.

01:19:30.000 The one that Jeff and I got in a half argument over, I was in Arkansas shooting the riot control test.

01:19:40.000 Me, Bam, and Dunn were standing in front of the riot control.

01:19:45.000 Shoots like 10,000 hard rubber beads at you.

01:19:48.000 We were shooting that.

01:19:49.000 And they were in New Orleans about to go out and put a hook through Steve-O's jaw, chum up the waters, and cast him out to the water with sharks.

01:20:02.000 I'm like, what are we doing, Jeff?

01:20:05.000 What's the best possible outcome here?

01:20:08.000 He's like, oh, no, no, it's fine.

01:20:10.000 It's fine.

01:20:11.000 And I'm like, we're going to get his foot bit off?

01:20:14.000 It's fine.

01:20:15.000 And it ended up being fine, but I was questioning the bit.

01:20:19.000 And it's a great bit.

01:20:20.000 The shark goes to bite his foot, and Steve-O kicks him at the last second and scares the shark away.

01:20:27.000 Oh.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, it was just dumb luck.

01:20:30.000 And he had a hook through his mouth?

01:20:32.000 Yeah, I never saw it.

01:20:33.000 It was like a bit of Jamie.

01:20:35.000 Oh, you're not going to look at that.

01:20:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:38.000 It took him like 15 minutes to get that hook through his mouth.

01:20:44.000 And the thing about it, they shot it the day before and it didn't go good.

01:20:48.000 So there's a hole on the other side of his jaw, too.

01:20:51.000 You just can't see it.

01:20:55.000 This is so fucking stupid.

01:20:58.000 Yeah, yeah, thank you.

01:21:03.000 Oh, my God, dude.

01:21:04.000 Yeah, see, he's in.

01:21:06.000 Oh, yeah, it was going for him, and then he kicks it and got him back in.

01:21:11.000 That would have been bad.

01:21:13.000 That'd have been forever bad.

01:21:15.000 Old peg leg Steve-O.

01:21:19.000 And he's like mentoring young guys that are doing it too.

01:21:23.000 Like last time he was on, he was showing, yeah, let me show you this one guy that I'm hanging out with.

01:21:27.000 Yeah, dude.

01:21:28.000 He's got this guy running through barbed wire.

01:21:30.000 I'm like, what the fuck?

01:21:32.000 This guy's radical.

01:21:33.000 He's covering himself with firecrackers.

01:21:35.000 I'm like, no.

01:21:37.000 That's Zach.

01:21:37.000 Oh, I know.

01:21:38.000 We got him in the cast.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, he's pretty up for it.

01:21:44.000 How bad is he fucked up?

01:21:47.000 Yeah, I mean, if you've seen, he was doing some trick on a skateboard, and he was a rather Rubin-esque young fellow, and he just compound fractured his ankle.

01:21:58.000 I don't think he would like that one at all.

01:22:00.000 He didn't pop through the skin the whole deal.

01:22:02.000 I'm not sure it popped through the skin, but it was doing things that ankles shouldn't do.

01:22:11.000 What a weird life you've lived, dude.

01:22:13.000 Yeah.

01:22:15.000 Very strange.

01:22:17.000 It's been okay.

01:22:19.000 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 No, I mean, look, you're fine.

01:22:21.000 No, it's odd.

01:22:22.000 I get it.

01:22:23.000 What are you laughing at, Jamie?

01:22:24.000 I just saw the injury here.

01:22:26.000 Let me see.

01:22:29.000 Okay, here he goes.

01:22:31.000 And.

01:22:34.000 Oh! 0.60

01:22:38.000 I guess that was more his shin.

01:22:42.000 Oh, that's his tibia and his fibromyalgia.

01:22:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:44.000 Dib fib.

01:22:45.000 Yeah, that's the Conor McGregor right there.

01:22:47.000 Yeah, look at the cast on Instagram.

01:22:48.000 I'm not sure.

01:22:49.000 Joe Dieseman.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, that's the Anderson Silva.

01:22:53.000 I've seen a few of those.

01:22:54.000 Those are the most painful things I've ever seen in UFC fights.

01:22:57.000 The things that really bother me are the leg breaks.

01:23:00.000 When someone throws a kick and the kick gets checked and you see their leg wrap around the shin.

01:23:05.000 The Anderson Silva one was very disturbing.

01:23:08.000 Oh, that was horrible.

01:23:09.000 It's crazy.

01:23:10.000 Like, it's only happened four times in the history of MMA or in the history of the UFC, and two of them involve Chris Weideman.

01:23:18.000 One, Chris Wideman, did it to Anderson Silva, where Anderson Silva broke his leg, and then Chris Wideman broke his leg in the exact same way against Uriah Hall.

01:23:28.000 Oh, I don't know if I saw the one against Uriah Hall.

01:23:32.000 So loud because what he did was, it was the first kick he threw.

01:23:38.000 It was the first round of the fight.

01:23:39.000 He threw a full power low kick, and Uriah checked it.

01:23:44.000 Oh.

01:23:44.000 And you hear it just snap.

01:23:47.000 Do the headphones work?

01:23:48.000 Can we hear it?

01:23:50.000 They're still fucked?

01:23:50.000 Good.

01:23:52.000 You don't need to hear it.

01:23:52.000 Good.

01:23:53.000 But here it is.

01:23:54.000 Full power.

01:23:55.000 Correct.

01:23:56.000 Wow.

01:23:57.000 Whoa, whoa.

01:23:59.000 And then he puts his foot down.

01:24:00.000 That doesn't, oh, that doesn't look real.

01:24:03.000 Yeah, he was never the same again.

01:24:05.000 Yeah, you can't come back from that, right?

01:24:06.000 No, he, I mean, guys, they don't really come back.

01:24:12.000 You know, Connor McGregor hasn't fought again since, I mean, he's thrown kicks with it.

01:24:17.000 I've seen him spar with it.

01:24:18.000 I don't, I mean, there's a one guy who is a heavyweight in the PFL that apparently came back and continued his career after he shot.

01:24:27.000 So you can find who that guy is.

01:24:28.000 There's a heavyweight guy who was in the PFL that snapped his shin like that and then came back and kept fighting.

01:24:35.000 Wideman's have some fights since then, and he's actually even thrown that kick since then.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, but I don't think you're the same.

01:24:44.000 Yeah, that would mentally get to you.

01:24:47.000 Well, one leg now weighs more, right?

01:24:50.000 Right.

01:24:50.000 Even if it's titanium, there's more, there's screws, there's a bunch of shit in there.

01:24:56.000 And then I've got to think that it feels different.

01:24:59.000 There's no way.

01:25:00.000 And then there's the psychological thing.

01:25:02.000 Like, you've already been through.

01:25:04.000 I mean, I think Chris had to go through some insane amount of surgeries, multiple surgeries, to try to correct it and to fix it because it didn't take right the first time.

01:25:15.000 You're hoping the bones grow back together.

01:25:18.000 You got a rod and then screws, and then you're hoping the bone fuses all around it.

01:25:23.000 And in some circumstances, they have to make a decision whether or not they go back in another time and take all the supporting stuff out and just have your bone exist normally.

01:25:33.000 And you don't want, and then it's like the risk of infection.

01:25:33.000 Yeah.

01:25:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:38.000 It's fucking gnarly.

01:25:39.000 Yeah.

01:25:40.000 I have the hardest time.

01:25:41.000 But I have a harder time watching women get fucked up than I do men. 0.55

01:25:46.000 You know, maybe this is the sexist in me or whatever it is.

01:25:50.000 The UFC fights with women, they go for it. 1.00

01:25:54.000 I mean, the men go for it, but it just seems like the women are just extra aggressive. 1.00

01:25:58.000 Well, it just seems crazier when they're doing it, when they're beating the fuck out of each other for whatever reason.

01:26:03.000 Like, there's a fight that happened at the UFC Sphere when they did it at the sphere in Vegas.

01:26:10.000 We had one event there.

01:26:11.000 And there's this lady, Irene Aldana, who's a beast. 1.00

01:26:15.000 And she got a cut in her forehead that I can't believe the referee didn't stop the fight because it looked like someone hit her in the face with an axe. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Like her entire forehead was split wide open.

01:26:29.000 Blood was pouring out of her face.

01:26:31.000 And she's just, that's it right there.

01:26:33.000 Look at that.

01:26:34.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:26:35.000 And she's marching forward, throwing bombs where blood is like splattering, like blood splattering with every punch that lands on her face. 1.00

01:26:45.000 And she's moving forward throwing bombs. 1.00

01:26:48.000 It was fucking crazy.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, she's a warrior. 1.00

01:26:52.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:53.000 I mean, that's the beginning of the cut.

01:26:55.000 The cut got even worse than that.

01:26:57.000 It was horrible at the end.

01:26:58.000 I mean, it was fucking massive.

01:26:59.000 It had to be like a six-inch cut on her forehead. 0.96

01:27:04.000 That's insane.

01:27:05.000 Well, you could see the whole skull.

01:27:07.000 Yeah.

01:27:08.000 Like, when I was interviewing her, when I was talking to her after the fight, you could see her whole skull was like exposed.

01:27:14.000 Yeah, I, you know, when we're talking about the last doing jackass forever, we're talking about getting new cast members and talking about bringing on some females.

01:27:24.000 Look how crazy that is.

01:27:25.000 And I was a little-that's insane.

01:27:27.000 Insane.

01:27:28.000 That's insane.

01:27:29.000 And I was a little hesitant.

01:27:30.000 And then my assistant, Megan, and I'm talking to other people.

01:27:38.000 They're like, look, guys do it.

01:27:40.000 It's like women can do it. 1.00

01:27:43.000 And I was and I was forced to address it and let go of it.

01:27:49.000 And I'm like, all right.

01:27:50.000 Who was saying guys do it?

01:27:52.000 Women can do it. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Was it a guy or a girl? 1.00

01:27:54.000 No, my assistant, Megan.

01:27:55.000 She was.

01:27:56.000 And a couple of other friends, women. 0.93

01:28:01.000 And then they're just like, you got to stop looking at it that way.

01:28:04.000 And I said, all right.

01:28:07.000 And I just moved forward and we got Rachel Wolfson, and she was fantastic. 0.68

01:28:12.000 I love Rachel.

01:28:13.000 She's at the club all the time. 1.00

01:28:14.000 She's fun. 0.93

01:28:14.000 She's the best. 0.93

01:28:15.000 She's a cool chick. 0.98

01:28:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:28:16.000 Yeah, she's great.

01:28:18.000 Is there a photo of a Rainy Aldana's face now?

01:28:21.000 See what it looks like when it's all healed up?

01:28:24.000 It bothers me, man.

01:28:25.000 Did she, how many?

01:28:28.000 That's not real.

01:28:30.000 That's a filter.

01:28:31.000 That's an Instagram filter, dog.

01:28:33.000 There's no way.

01:28:34.000 That's an avatar.

01:28:35.000 That's what she looks like now after the scar?

01:28:37.000 Is that possible?

01:28:38.000 That's an avatar.

01:28:39.000 Right.

01:28:39.000 Well, it's not possible that that went away.

01:28:44.000 See, Google or run a search of Rainy Aldana after the surgery.

01:28:51.000 That's like two weeks ago.

01:28:52.000 Yeah, but that's all.

01:28:54.000 Well, there's makeup.

01:28:54.000 I don't know.

01:28:55.000 Makeup and filter. 0.66

01:28:56.000 That's like, that's what she's doing.

01:28:57.000 Okay, there you go.

01:28:58.000 There you go.

01:28:59.000 You can see.

01:28:59.000 Go back there.

01:29:00.000 Said it again.

01:29:02.000 You can kind of see.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, yeah, when the light hits it.

01:29:06.000 Yeah.

01:29:07.000 You see it right there.

01:29:07.000 there you go.

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:09.000 Wow.

01:29:09.000 It looks pretty good.

01:29:10.000 I mean, you can see it, but it gives her character.

01:29:13.000 Well, for a man, for a man, that's pretty dope, right? 1.00

01:29:16.000 I don't know.

01:29:18.000 It looks like she's pretty okay with everything.

01:29:21.000 She's a beast. 1.00

01:29:22.000 Yeah.

01:29:22.000 You know, it's an unusual woman that is not just willing to do that and get her face cut open like that, but also like march forward in a mask of blood, like a fucking horror movie, throwing bombs.

01:29:35.000 And she was cut over her eye.

01:29:36.000 Her nose was split open, giant cash on her forehead, and just marching forward. 1.00

01:29:42.000 So they did, and she was fighting.

01:29:45.000 Who is she fighting? 0.98

01:29:46.000 And did they have a rematch?

01:29:47.000 Because I assume the judge, the referee, called it afterwards.

01:29:50.000 No.

01:29:51.000 No, it went the decision.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, she lost the decision.

01:29:55.000 The doctor, they go over to the doctor.

01:29:56.000 He looks at it.

01:29:57.000 He's like, ah, you'll never notice on the galloping horse.

01:29:59.000 Get back in there.

01:30:00.000 I don't know.

01:30:01.000 I don't know what the referee was thinking because referees have stopped fights for less injuries.

01:30:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:06.000 It's very subjective.

01:30:07.000 Usually when it goes from your eyebrow to the top of your skull.

01:30:10.000 It's very subjective.

01:30:12.000 Like one referee or one doctor will say, let it go.

01:30:15.000 And then another doctor will go, it's over.

01:30:17.000 And if the doctor says it's over, it's over.

01:30:19.000 But a referee inspected it when it went and split up her head. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:23.000 They wiped it down.

01:30:24.000 They allowed her to continue.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, she got cut. 0.98

01:30:28.000 Who is that referee who looked at it and said, yeah, you're fine.

01:30:31.000 Get back in there, kid.

01:30:32.000 See if you can find video of it.

01:30:34.000 Look at her nose. 0.94

01:30:35.000 The nose will stop the fight. 0.89

01:30:37.000 Noses destroyed.

01:30:38.000 Forehead's destroyed.

01:30:39.000 I don't remember what she got hit with.

01:30:41.000 It was most likely an elbow that did that.

01:30:43.000 Who is she fighting? 0.98

01:30:44.000 Norma Dumont.

01:30:46.000 Norma Dumont's a beast, too. 1.00

01:30:46.000 Norma Dumont. 1.00

01:30:48.000 And who won?

01:30:49.000 Norma did.

01:30:50.000 Normal one.

01:30:51.000 But what did she – like, see if you can find a video of it.

01:30:56.000 The video of it is gnarly.

01:31:00.000 And we're freaking out because we're doing the commentary.

01:31:02.000 I'm like, oh, my God, this lady is a savage. 1.00

01:31:05.000 What round did that happen in?

01:31:06.000 That's a good question.

01:31:08.000 I want to say it was the second round, but I don't totally remember.

01:31:11.000 Oh, God.

01:31:12.000 It was a video game.

01:31:14.000 What did you just have?

01:31:15.000 You just had it.

01:31:16.000 It's a video game.

01:31:17.000 Oh, it's a video game.

01:31:18.000 The video games are so good.

01:31:20.000 You can't tell the difference now.

01:31:21.000 That's the problem.

01:31:22.000 You're gonna fight in the video game.

01:31:24.000 Yeah, it's uh but again, it's I don't know why.

01:31:28.000 It's like when a woman gets knocked out, it bugs me way more. 0.99

01:31:31.000 Yeah.

01:31:31.000 I'm so used to guys getting knocked out.

01:31:33.000 Yeah.

01:31:34.000 When a guy gets knocked out, I'm like, I hope he's okay.

01:31:36.000 But when a woman gets knocked out, it's like my stomach turns. 0.99

01:31:39.000 I'm like, you're sitting there in your commentary chair.

01:31:43.000 You're just like, oh, fuck, man.

01:31:45.000 When someone gets shinned in the head, just bang.

01:31:48.000 And you see them stiffen up.

01:31:49.000 It's like, there's something about a woman getting knocked out that I don't know why.

01:31:53.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 It's part of my brain.

01:31:56.000 It's like, no.

01:31:58.000 Yeah.

01:31:58.000 I'm so used to men getting knocked out.

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 Well, I mean, it looks like, I mean, you've seen a lot of fights.

01:32:07.000 I've probably seen more people get the fuck beaten out of them than anybody who's ever lived.

01:32:12.000 Yeah.

01:32:12.000 In person?

01:32:13.000 Like, in person, watching elite fighters smash each other.

01:32:18.000 I've probably seen more people get pummeled than anybody.

01:32:21.000 Yeah, I wonder the number of knockouts you've seen. 1.00

01:32:24.000 Oh, it has to be in the thousands.

01:32:26.000 I don't know.

01:32:27.000 I don't know.

01:32:27.000 I don't know how many fights I've called.

01:32:29.000 I've started doing commentary.

01:32:31.000 Well, I started doing post-fight interviews in 1997.

01:32:34.000 Wow.

01:32:35.000 Yeah.

01:32:35.000 So that was the first.

01:32:36.000 I worked at UFC 12 in 1997.

01:32:39.000 Now we're at like UFC 324.

01:32:42.000 So, and I've been there for a large percentage of them.

01:32:47.000 I hate to pivot, but what do you think of Fedor?

01:32:49.000 I love him.

01:32:50.000 I love him.

01:32:51.000 He's one of the all-time greats.

01:32:52.000 He was one of my favorite fighters of all time.

01:32:54.000 He's the great, the great tragedy is Fedor never fought in the UFC against Cain Velasquez because they were both in their prime at the exact same time.

01:33:03.000 And they could have made that happen.

01:33:06.000 I love Fedor.

01:33:07.000 He was a man.

01:33:08.000 He was pride fights. 0.95

01:33:09.000 Tremaine and I would, we'd all get, every time the pride fights were on, we'd always watch Fedor.

01:33:14.000 And dude, he was stoic.

01:33:16.000 I mean, stoic.

01:33:18.000 Like, dead face, no matter what was going on.

01:33:20.000 It could be the most chaotic, insane fight, getting blasted in the face, never changed his expression like a fucking robot.

01:33:28.000 Before the fight, all the fighters are jumping up and down, looking around.

01:33:32.000 And he looks like he's about to fall asleep.

01:33:34.000 Yeah.

01:33:34.000 Oh, he was amazing.

01:33:36.000 His mindset was fucking impenetrable.

01:33:39.000 You remember when Kevin Randleman suplexed him?

01:33:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:42.000 And I've never seen someone get suplexed on their head and not only push through it, but he submitted him pretty soon afterwards, right?

01:33:54.000 Yeah, he got him in an arm bar.

01:33:56.000 Like very shortly after that.

01:33:58.000 That still doesn't make any sense to me.

01:34:00.000 Oh, he was a freak.

01:34:02.000 He was a freak, man.

01:34:03.000 Look at his face.

01:34:04.000 Look how calm he looks.

01:34:06.000 Here it is.

01:34:06.000 Yeah.

01:34:07.000 So he gets slapped.

01:34:09.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:34:10.000 And just rolls.

01:34:11.000 Just rolls right into it.

01:34:13.000 I mean, that was that could have knocked most people completely unconscious, could have separated your vertebra.

01:34:19.000 And look, he's still, look how strong.

01:34:22.000 And he reversed the position like seconds later.

01:34:24.000 And Randleman was good on the ground.

01:34:26.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

01:34:27.000 Randleman was a world-class wrestler.

01:34:29.000 But look at that.

01:34:31.000 But Fedora was special, man.

01:34:32.000 He was special.

01:34:33.000 And this is like Randallman's wearing wrestling shoes, too.

01:34:36.000 He was allowed to wear wrestling shoes.

01:34:37.000 Pride had a lot of crazy rules.

01:34:39.000 That left of Fedor's.

01:34:41.000 Oh, everything, man.

01:34:42.000 Everything.

01:34:43.000 He was the most complete.

01:34:45.000 So he pins down the arm and he eventually catches him.

01:34:48.000 I think he caught him in a Kimura.

01:34:51.000 A Kimura or a straight arm lock.

01:34:53.000 It might have been.

01:34:53.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:34:54.000 He caught him in a Kimura.

01:34:55.000 Here it is.

01:34:56.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:34:57.000 Insane.

01:34:58.000 Within a minute, he turned it around.

01:35:01.000 Well, he was the most complete out of all those guys because he was a guy that could fight you standing up at an elite level, but also in any kind of wild scramble.

01:35:12.000 He would catch an arm bar off of his back.

01:35:15.000 He would submit you on the ground.

01:35:16.000 He could throw you.

01:35:17.000 He could do everything.

01:35:19.000 He was the most complete out of all the heavyweights of his era.

01:35:23.000 Yeah, I remember when he was fighting Noguera, I was like, oh no, this is, it could go south for Fedor.

01:35:29.000 You thought so?

01:35:31.000 I was worried.

01:35:32.000 Yeah.

01:35:33.000 You know, because I love, you know, you like, you look up to a fighter and you're like, he can't lose.

01:35:38.000 I don't want him to lose.

01:35:39.000 And I was worried about Noguera, but he beat him twice, right?

01:35:41.000 Yeah, and they were brutal.

01:35:43.000 The ground and pounds were fucking brutal.

01:35:46.000 When he was on top of Noguera, just bombing on him.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, I'm like, Fedor, don't go to the ground with Noguera because I'm just worried. 1.00

01:35:51.000 Unlike his aunt or something.

01:35:53.000 But no problem.

01:35:55.000 No, he was awesome.

01:35:58.000 But there's a time where a fighter can operate under that peak form, and it's a short window.

01:36:07.000 And I always say when you're looking at the greatest of all time, you have to look at them in that peak window.

01:36:12.000 You can't look at them when they're fighting in their late 30s and they probably shouldn't be fighting anymore.

01:36:17.000 You got to judge them based on who they were in their prime because every combat sport athlete has a limited amount of time where they can operate in their prime.

01:36:28.000 And Fedor in his prime was about as good as anybody who ever lived.

01:36:31.000 I love hearing you say that.

01:36:33.000 Because I really am amazing.

01:36:35.000 Fucking amazing.

01:36:36.000 But it's like when we had Kane in the UFC, Kane Velasquez, who was another superhuman freak, also super stoic, would just go and had cardio like no heavyweight ever.

01:36:49.000 Like freakish, God-given cardio.

01:36:52.000 Yeah.

01:36:53.000 And they'd call him cardio Kane because he would just put a pace on guys.

01:36:57.000 Well, you'd see the look on their face.

01:36:58.000 And it was like the second round.

01:36:59.000 They're like, I can't do this.

01:37:01.000 And he's just ready to go.

01:37:01.000 Yeah.

01:37:03.000 Just not even out of breath, just smashing you over and over and over again, picking you up, slamming you down.

01:37:09.000 Like what he did to Brock Lesnar.

01:37:11.000 Brock Lesnar was fucking terrifying.

01:37:13.000 He was a 300-pound man who was built like a Viking.

01:37:16.000 Like he just hopped off of a fucking ship with a battle axe.

01:37:19.000 And Kane beat the fuck out of him.

01:37:21.000 I know that that was an amazing fight.

01:37:24.000 And I watched Brock Lesnar body slam We-Man through a table at a restaurant one night.

01:37:34.000 It was one of the best things.

01:37:36.000 Was that a jackass?

01:37:37.000 No, no, we were there to do.

01:37:39.000 I was going to do WrestleMania.

01:37:41.000 I believe it was WrestleMania against that low down and dirty Sami Zayn. 0.87

01:37:46.000 And we're at the restaurant.

01:37:48.000 I think we're at a four seasons in their restaurant.

01:37:50.000 And we all had a couple of drinks.

01:37:53.000 And Brock just comes by.

01:37:55.000 He's leaving.

01:37:56.000 He comes by to say goodbye, you know.

01:37:59.000 And We-Man gets a little chatty.

01:38:01.000 We-Man got a mouth on him. 0.99

01:38:04.000 So Brock just scoops him up like a baby.

01:38:07.000 He goes, you're going through that table and just lifts him up over his head and bam right through the table.

01:38:14.000 It was one of the best things I've ever seen.

01:38:17.000 Just it looked like one of those tables in an old West bar fight.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:38:24.000 He's like, No, we missed.

01:38:25.000 He's like, No, no.

01:38:28.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:38:30.000 That's a regular table, too.

01:38:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:34.000 That's what you get for talking shit to Brock Lesnar.

01:38:38.000 It doesn't really compute in his head, I don't think.

01:38:41.000 Brock is a guy that, like, you know, he was NCAA Division I national champion, like elite wrestler.

01:38:49.000 I always wondered what would happen with him if he didn't go into pro wrestling for so long, if he just went into MMA right out of his college career.

01:38:57.000 I think he could have been one of the all-time great players.

01:38:59.000 What are you going to do with that guy if he's been training for that long?

01:39:03.000 Well, he didn't train much in striking at all.

01:39:05.000 Like, you could tell in the early days, his striking was, you know, he was learning it.

01:39:09.000 Obviously, an elite athlete, a freak of nature physically, but he was still learning striking.

01:39:15.000 And striking is something takes a long time to really get a mastery of.

01:39:20.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:20.000 He wasn't, you know, so he was just and he didn't need the money, didn't need to do it.

01:39:27.000 He was already a giant pro wrestling star.

01:39:30.000 Could have just stayed Brock Lesnar, but just decided I want to see what would happen if I fight for real.

01:39:37.000 He liked it.

01:39:38.000 And he beat a lot of really fucking good guys.

01:39:40.000 Yeah.

01:39:40.000 Which is kind of crazy.

01:39:41.000 I mean, he beat Randy Couture, who's an all-time great.

01:39:45.000 He beat Frank Meir, who's, you know, an all-time great.

01:39:48.000 He's a freak athlete.

01:39:50.000 Oh, he's fucking horrific.

01:39:52.000 Horrific dude.

01:39:54.000 Who's the young guy, Gable Stevenson?

01:39:56.000 Oh, he's good.

01:39:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:57.000 I think he's a problem.

01:39:59.000 He's a striking look.

01:40:00.000 Giant problem.

01:40:01.000 His striking looks good.

01:40:02.000 He's a giant problem because he's a 250-pound man that moves like a 150-pound man.

01:40:08.000 He's so fucking fast and so athletic for a big guy and elite wrestling skills.

01:40:15.000 I mean, gold medalists in the Olympics are wrestling skills.

01:40:20.000 That kind of wrestling skill is like so hard to fuck with.

01:40:23.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 He's got that and ridiculous power and speed in his hands.

01:40:27.000 And just this, there's a mindset that like some guys have, like elite athletes have, this like unstoppable drive and discipline.

01:40:38.000 Yeah.

01:40:38.000 And he's got that.

01:40:39.000 And like, he's going to be a fuck.

01:40:41.000 I sent Dana White a text message because he had an MMA fight and hit this dude with a left hook.

01:40:47.000 And then as the dude's going out, he fucking slams him to the ground.

01:40:51.000 He landed the punch and he had enough speed to close the distance and fucking slam him to the ground while he's unconscious from the punch.

01:41:00.000 Yeah.

01:41:00.000 And I sent Dana White a text message.

01:41:02.000 I said, everybody's fucked.

01:41:04.000 I just sent him that clip.

01:41:05.000 I sent him Dana the same clip.

01:41:10.000 Dana, what are we doing here?

01:41:12.000 Gable's the first guy that I've ever had in the studio that isn't even in the UFC yet and that only has had like a couple fights where I was like, I want to have this guy on right away.

01:41:23.000 Like, look at that.

01:41:24.000 Like, fucking so that speed is so insane.

01:41:28.000 Look at that.

01:41:29.000 The transition between he KOs him with a left hook and then look at this, just hops to the top of the octagon.

01:41:35.000 But go back to the knockout because look at the guy when he's on.

01:41:38.000 You can see the birdies flying around his head in that one angle on the opposite angle.

01:41:44.000 I mean, that is crazy speed.

01:41:46.000 And then blasts him with a punch all before the referee can even get to him. 0.83

01:41:49.000 That dude's like, what the fuck just happened?

01:41:51.000 Yeah.

01:41:52.000 He has a hard time getting fights.

01:41:54.000 He'll probably be in the UFC quicker than he should be because no one wants to fight him.

01:42:00.000 It's on the regional circuit, the smaller promotions.

01:42:04.000 Very difficult to get a guy like that a fight because you can't beat him.

01:42:07.000 You know, you can't.

01:42:08.000 So, if you're, you got to be the type of guy, like, almost like you are with stunts, like, all right, let's fucking do it.

01:42:14.000 Let's see what it happens because you're not fast enough to avoid the punches.

01:42:18.000 You're not skillful enough to stop the takedown.

01:42:21.000 You can't do anything about it once he's on top of you.

01:42:23.000 You're not getting back up.

01:42:24.000 You're just going to get pummeled.

01:42:25.000 Like, what are you going to do?

01:42:26.000 And some guys are just so gangster, they're like, Let's see how I do.

01:42:30.000 You're just standing in front of a culture.

01:42:31.000 But most guys are going to not fight.

01:42:34.000 You're going to get that offer, and you're going to go, fuck that.

01:42:36.000 I want to be a world-class fighter someday.

01:42:39.000 I got to get better.

01:42:40.000 There's no way I'm going to get better.

01:42:41.000 If I fight that guy, I realize how tall the mountain actually is that I'm supposed to climb.

01:42:45.000 But to any prospective fighters of Gable Stevenson out there who maybe don't want to fight them, take it from me.

01:42:54.000 It doesn't take that long to get knocked out.

01:42:57.000 It's going to be an easy night.

01:42:59.000 You know, it's going, what, 15 seconds of your time?

01:43:02.000 That's not the problem.

01:43:03.000 The problem is, so, like in boxing, okay, this is a good so boxing has always traditionally done a way better job of preparing fighters for world-class fighters.

01:43:15.000 So, even Mike Tyson, who was a phenom, in his prime, he fought a bunch of journeymen in the beginning.

01:43:20.000 Mitch Blood Green.

01:43:22.000 Well, he was good.

01:43:22.000 Mitch Blood Green was good.

01:43:24.000 Mitch Blood Green went to decision.

01:43:25.000 Yeah.

01:43:26.000 I mean, he was a gang leader and just a crazy person.

01:43:29.000 No, the street fight, Mike fucked him up.

01:43:31.000 He also broke his hand in a street fight in a haberdashery in Harlem, which is crazy.

01:43:37.000 Slipped into the literation.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, I mean, they fought in a haberdash.

01:43:40.000 They fought in a place where you get custom suits made.

01:43:45.000 And why wouldn't you?

01:43:46.000 Why wouldn't you?

01:43:47.000 So that fight was like Mitch Blood Green was a real pro.

01:43:52.000 He was a real elite fighter.

01:43:53.000 But you go to the early days of Mike Tyson where he's fighting guys that have fucking zero business being in there with you.

01:44:00.000 And these guys just took the payday and just got knocked into orbit.

01:44:04.000 And those fights are some of the most fun fights to watch because you realize you're dealing with a guy who's going to be one of the all-time greats.

01:44:11.000 And you're getting to see him when he's 19 and no one had any idea what was coming.

01:44:18.000 You know, like some of his first fights, people had heard rumblings.

01:44:21.000 There's this kid out of the Catskills.

01:44:23.000 Everybody talked about it.

01:44:24.000 But until you saw him, you're just like, oh, God, good lord.

01:44:29.000 Just all business, too.

01:44:30.000 All business.

01:44:31.000 No socks.

01:44:33.000 Just the towel with the hole in it.

01:44:36.000 And it just, it was throwback.

01:44:39.000 Yeah, it was, but there was never a throwback fighter that had just a towel over his head walking into the ring.

01:44:47.000 Well, you'd have to go back to the Jack Dempsey days, which Tyson did.

01:44:51.000 See, Tyson had this advantage that his manager was Jim Jacobs, and Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian.

01:44:58.000 And so Jim Jacobs had all these films of all the old school fighters, Sandy Sadler, William Pep.

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:06.000 And so Mike would just sit and watch all these great fighters, all the old school guys, all the old Joe Lewis fights on film, you know, all the Sugar Ray Robinson fights.

01:45:17.000 Which there are not a lot on film.

01:45:19.000 I wish there were because we never had prime Sugar Ray Robinson.

01:45:23.000 Like there's not a lot of films.

01:45:25.000 Well, you could watch them on YouTube.

01:45:27.000 But I don't think like prime, prime.

01:45:30.000 I think after a second.

01:45:31.000 Oh, no.

01:45:31.000 There's some prime Sugar Ray Robinson.

01:45:34.000 Yeah, you could watch some great Sugar Ray Robinson KOs that are on.

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 He was another guy.

01:45:38.000 I mean, I think he had like 90 fights.

01:45:42.000 I think it was like something like 90-0 before he had his first loss.

01:45:46.000 And then he went another 40 fights before he lost the second.

01:45:49.000 Crazy.

01:45:50.000 Insane.

01:45:51.000 Crazy.

01:45:51.000 And they were fighting all the time back then.

01:45:54.000 Those guys would fight multiple times in a year.

01:45:54.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 It wasn't like today where, you know, guys will like Canelo and Crawford, they talk about it.

01:46:02.000 Crawford hadn't had a fight in like a year and a half.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 It wasn't like that back then.

01:46:06.000 They're fighting a few times a month.

01:46:07.000 Constantly.

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:08.000 But also, you know, then the end is so sad because in the end, Sugar A. Robinson had dementia and it's like he couldn't talk.

01:46:16.000 There's some interviews of him later in life that are really, really fucking sad.

01:46:21.000 Yeah.

01:46:22.000 So that's the thing about a guy fighting Gabelson, Gable Stevenson.

01:46:26.000 It's not that Gable's going to beat you and getting knocked out's not that bad.

01:46:30.000 It's that your confidence is going to be destroyed and you will get knocked out easier next time, which is the problem with getting knocked out.

01:46:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:40.000 Yeah, I can attest to that.

01:46:41.000 Is it to happen to you now?

01:46:43.000 Like where you get KO'd easier?

01:46:44.000 I get my knockouts.

01:46:46.000 I got knocked out easier, yeah.

01:46:48.000 It's the old glass jaw.

01:46:49.000 You notice the difference?

01:46:51.000 Yeah, I mean, I could watch the impacts afterwards, and that might not have got me five or six years ago, but now it's just.

01:47:01.000 You just go out.

01:47:02.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 How many times do you think you've been KO'd?

01:47:06.000 About 16.

01:47:09.000 Wow.

01:47:10.000 And that's a lot.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:14.000 Have you ever gotten brain scans done?

01:47:16.000 Yeah.

01:47:17.000 What do they say?

01:47:19.000 Well, you know, they're not the best brain scans they ever looked at.

01:47:26.000 I didn't win any awards for my brain scan, Joe.

01:47:31.000 They're like, don't get any more concussions.

01:47:34.000 But did they say there's anything going on there that you need to be concerned about?

01:47:39.000 Well, they don't know about, you know, you can't detect CTE until post-mortem.

01:47:48.000 Right.

01:47:48.000 But do you have any lingering issues like memory issues, impulse control?

01:47:54.000 The I can, well, I don't know whether it's I'm getting older or I can remember a lot of like things from four years, like from my childhood and that kind of thing.

01:48:06.000 I have complete recall, but what I did a week ago, you know, it's up in the air.

01:48:15.000 And do you think that's connected to the head injuries?

01:48:19.000 Or is it just like aging?

01:48:21.000 Because as you get older.

01:48:22.000 Well, there's the million dollar question.

01:48:24.000 Right.

01:48:24.000 Do you seem okay?

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:26.000 Which is part of the problem.

01:48:27.000 Like I know a lot of fighters that seem fine, but I know publicly or privately they're struggling.

01:48:36.000 I know they have like issues, you know.

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 I'm I after that with the magician one, I kind of went offline for a few months, but I've completely recovered.

01:48:50.000 Went offline like how so?

01:48:53.000 Just slowly over a period of months.

01:48:56.000 I just got super depressed and anxious and fearful of everything.

01:49:05.000 Just in my mind, it was just a loop of everything bad is going to happen.

01:49:12.000 It was catastrophic thinking and ruminating.

01:49:15.000 And yeah, it was my creative mind turned against me, right?

01:49:26.000 And it was frightening.

01:49:29.000 It felt like you're in the bottom of a well looking up.

01:49:33.000 And eventually I got on some medication.

01:49:36.000 What kind of medication they give you for that?

01:49:38.000 Oh, shit.

01:49:39.000 I can't remember.

01:49:44.000 But after a couple of months on, actually about four to six weeks on the medication, The colors came back and I started feeling like myself again.

01:49:58.000 Did you lose sight of colors?

01:50:01.000 Did you get color black?

01:50:02.000 No, that was just metaphorically.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 Okay.

01:50:06.000 And then I'm not, I went off the medicine and I'm fine, but it was pretty intense.

01:50:13.000 So did they do anything for that?

01:50:15.000 Like, I know there's some different therapies they do for people that have.

01:50:19.000 I did a thing, a transcranial magnetic stimulus.

01:50:22.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you about.

01:50:23.000 And I started that, and it was kind of, I was in the middle of my episode, and I started that.

01:50:35.000 You do it over like six to eight weeks, I can't remember.

01:50:39.000 And I remember at the first I would start it and I'd talk to the guy running it, but by the end, the end of the eight weeks, I was just kind of, I wouldn't look at him, I wouldn't talk to him.

01:50:50.000 And yeah, I was just completely in my head all the time.

01:50:56.000 So it got worse progressively then.

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:59.000 Wow.

01:51:00.000 Yeah, it got worse.

01:51:02.000 But yeah, the just medication and I came out of it.

01:51:10.000 Well, I'm glad you came out of it.

01:51:12.000 But that's a good reason to not do that kind of shit anymore.

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:16.000 That's why I was like, I can't.

01:51:17.000 I don't.

01:51:18.000 It was.

01:51:19.000 It's too much.

01:51:20.000 Yeah.

01:51:21.000 Well, that's what I worry about with fighters because, like, listen, you and I are sitting here, we're talking.

01:51:21.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 You're not slurring your words.

01:51:29.000 You seem fine.

01:51:30.000 Everything's.

01:51:31.000 There's fighters that you see the slurring and you see the mumbling of the words and yet they're still fighting.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, that's like Ollie at the end.

01:51:42.000 Sure.

01:51:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:43.000 When he's doing those interviews around the Leon Spinks fights.

01:51:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:48.000 You know, even Larry Holmes was sparring with them.

01:51:52.000 They could notice the difference.

01:51:55.000 Yeah.

01:51:56.000 Yeah.

01:51:57.000 But it's like you, how do you it's tough to figure out how to uh, he has a certain spirit in about him and how do you outrun him, which made him a champion?

01:52:14.000 Yeah, and how do you outrun that?

01:52:15.000 How do you put that light out?

01:52:17.000 And that's, that's the that's the problem.

01:52:19.000 I think you have to plant that seed in a fighter's head when they're young.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, I don't think you could tell them that this is going to be a ride that lasts forever.

01:52:29.000 I think you have to tell them there's going to be a time when we realize we have to stop this, we have to stop doing this.

01:52:36.000 And you're going to have to trust me yeah, because i'm on the outside and i'm i'm going to watch you very carefully and we're going to make sure that you you never get to a point where you're like I, like a fighter that retires and they can talk and they're fine and they're good like I.

01:52:54.000 I like when a guy gets out like Andre Ward is one of my favorite fighters, because not just was he a two-division world champion, not only was, like he, an elite boxer, but he retired Undefeated and never came back, and now he's fine.

01:52:54.000 I like that.

01:53:10.000 He does commentary.

01:53:11.000 You're hanging out with him.

01:53:11.000 He's got no lingering problems.

01:53:13.000 He's good.

01:53:14.000 Like he got off the right time.

01:53:17.000 I like that.

01:53:18.000 Yeah, I often think, where would it's a little sort of a pivot?

01:53:24.000 Where would Roy Jones Jr. be ranked if he retired after the Ruiz fight?

01:53:29.000 Right.

01:53:29.000 After he became heavyweight champions.

01:53:31.000 It's a very good question.

01:53:32.000 I think that was one of the biggest mistakes that he ever did was going up to heavyweight and then going down to 175 again.

01:53:40.000 The fight.

01:53:41.000 Right, because he wasn't a heavyweight that was fat.

01:53:44.000 It wasn't like he could lose 25 pounds of extra fat that he put on.

01:53:48.000 No, he was shredded at 200 pounds and then lost 25 pounds of muscle.

01:53:54.000 So he had to starve himself to get back down to 75 again.

01:53:57.000 Because once your body gets accustomed to carrying around all that extra weight, like that's your new frame.

01:54:03.000 And today they would never say do that again.

01:54:06.000 Like in the UFC, there's been some guys that had some radical weight cuts, like Alex Pereira is probably the best example.

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:12.000 But once he went down to 185, he was cutting a tremendous amount of weight to get to 85.

01:54:18.000 But once he went up to 205, now he's a 205.

01:54:21.000 He stays at 205.

01:54:22.000 And now he's even talking about going up to heavyweight, which is crazy.

01:54:25.000 Right.

01:54:26.000 But he's got the frame for it.

01:54:28.000 But like, if he went all the way up to heavyweight and then tried to go all the way down to 85 again, he would be so fragile.

01:54:35.000 You're so vulnerable.

01:54:36.000 If you get hit, the guys who dehydrate themselves significantly, they get KO'd way easier.

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 And guys will tell you that.

01:54:45.000 Like when they cut the weight, they can't take a punch.

01:54:48.000 It's just different because your brain doesn't rehydrate in time.

01:54:51.000 So if you're dehydrating to make, let's say, 170, if you're dehydrating to make 170, but you really weigh 200, you can get down to 170 for the weight.

01:55:02.000 But once you rehydrate and you're 200 again for the fight, you don't have water in your brain yet.

01:55:08.000 Yeah.

01:55:08.000 Your brain's not reacting.

01:55:09.000 Your brain takes days before it completely rehydrates.

01:55:13.000 It's dangerous.

01:55:14.000 It's very dangerous.

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:17.000 But so that's the thing.

01:55:18.000 It's like you're talking about all the problems that you have, but yet you're sitting here, you're not slurring your words, you're laughing, you're coherent, we're having a good time.

01:55:26.000 And now think about these guys that you see that start mumbling and their words all kind of slur together.

01:55:34.000 It's weird.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:35.000 You have a hard time understanding them.

01:55:37.000 Fits of rage.

01:55:38.000 They 100% should not be fighting.

01:55:38.000 Yes.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 And yet they're still fighting.

01:55:42.000 And athletic commissions will even pass them.

01:55:45.000 Does Vandeley Silva still fight?

01:55:47.000 Does he slur?

01:55:49.000 Dude, Vandeley Silva just had a boxing match in Brazil that turned into a brawl.

01:55:56.000 So he was boxing this guy, and the bunch of people jumped into the ring and started brawling.

01:56:05.000 And one of the guys that jumped into the ring KO'd him, hit him with a bare knuckle punch and knocked him out cold where he falls back and bounces and they have to drag him out of the ring.

01:56:17.000 So while people are, there's a melee.

01:56:19.000 There's like 10 people fighting inside the ring and he's stretched out cold.

01:56:24.000 Here, watch it.

01:56:26.000 Jamie.

01:56:27.000 You find it.

01:56:28.000 He was amazing in the pride.

01:56:30.000 He was a fucking warrior, a savage.

01:56:34.000 He was so crazy.

01:56:36.000 But that's another guy that's been KO'd so many fucking times.

01:56:39.000 I don't speak Portuguese, but my friends who do say you can clearly tell the difference.

01:56:45.000 So here's the fight.

01:56:46.000 So this is afterwards.

01:56:47.000 Boom.

01:56:48.000 Oh my God, the back of the canvas.

01:56:50.000 This guy just cracks him with a right hand.

01:56:53.000 He doesn't even see it coming.

01:56:54.000 And he's out cold, flat on his back.

01:56:56.000 And then they just have to drag him away from all these people fighting.

01:57:00.000 Jesus.

01:57:02.000 Oh, that's sad.

01:57:03.000 He's dead.

01:57:04.000 Oh, my God.

01:57:04.000 Dead.

01:57:06.000 And again, this is a guy that's, he got knocked out by Mirko Krokop.

01:57:06.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 He got head kick KO'd.

01:57:12.000 He got knocked out by Rampage Jackson.

01:57:15.000 He got knocked out by some big fucking scary shots.

01:57:19.000 Krokop had legs like Earl Campbell.

01:57:22.000 They were just ridiculous looking.

01:57:25.000 No, he was one of the most elite strikers that ever competed in MMA.

01:57:29.000 He was a terrifying dude.

01:57:30.000 The stare down between Vanderlay Silva and Mirko Krokop, in my opinion, is the greatest stare down in the history of combat sports because you've got a guy who in Vandeley Silva is one of the most intimidating, terrifying MMA fighters that ever hit.

01:57:46.000 But then in Mirko Krokop, you got a guy who's ahead of an anti-terrorist squadron who's fucking probably murdered people.

01:57:53.000 Like, look at the difference.

01:57:55.000 That motherfucker ain't scared as shit.

01:57:57.000 Look at this stare down.

01:57:59.000 Neither one of them are scared.

01:58:00.000 Yeah, I think Vandale might have been feeling it a little.

01:58:03.000 Really?

01:58:04.000 Yeah.

01:58:04.000 That guy's looking through to his fucking soul.

01:58:08.000 Mirko is 100% Mirko wins this stare down.

01:58:12.000 Mirko was looking through to his fucking soul, dude.

01:58:15.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:58:17.000 That is a stare-down, son.

01:58:19.000 Look at his eyes.

01:58:20.000 That is a serious man.

01:58:23.000 And I mean, Mirko.

01:58:25.000 That ref's got his hands full. 1.00

01:58:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:58:27.000 Well, they always had their hands full in Pride because they had stomps and soccer kicks.

01:58:31.000 And it was a crazy organization.

01:58:33.000 Did they test in Pride?

01:58:35.000 Not only did they not test, well, they did test.

01:58:35.000 No.

01:58:38.000 They didn't do anything.

01:58:39.000 It was a fake test.

01:58:40.000 You get an A plus on steroids.

01:58:42.000 Ensign Inuway is another legend and just one of the all-time greats and a pioneer of MMA from the early days.

01:58:50.000 Ensign told me when he did the podcast, he said they had in all capital letters, we do not test for steroids.

01:58:57.000 Like, they wanted you on steroids.

01:59:01.000 What's your growth hormone?

01:59:02.000 They wanted you on it.

01:59:04.000 Because, look, if you want excitement and you don't have a sanctioning body, like, why would you, your goal is to create the best product.

01:59:13.000 Like, what's the best product?

01:59:14.000 Bunch of juiced up fucking psychopaths beat the shit out of each other.

01:59:18.000 Highly skilled, juiced-up savages going to war.

01:59:21.000 That's what you want.

01:59:22.000 You don't want anybody who's dealing with normal hormone levels.

01:59:25.000 Fuck that.

01:59:26.000 So they would encourage people.

01:59:29.000 I didn't hear any rumors of Fedor doing that.

01:59:32.000 Do you think Fedor?

01:59:34.000 I don't.

01:59:34.000 Well, you can only speculate.

01:59:36.000 You don't know because he didn't look like he was on steroids, right?

01:59:39.000 Because he had like dad bod, but jacked, you know, but he carried a lot on some extra body fat because he didn't have to worry about losing weight.

01:59:46.000 But he came from the Russian sports program, you know, and they cheated with everything.

01:59:53.000 The reality of, have you ever seen that movie Icarus?

01:59:56.000 No.

01:59:57.000 Oh, it's a great movie.

01:59:58.000 Yeah.

01:59:58.000 Oh, my God.

01:59:59.000 Brian Fogel made this documentary, and it's a really interesting documentary because he made the documentary.

02:00:06.000 This was the plan of it.

02:00:08.000 He was an endurance racer, so he's going to do a cycling race, and he was going to do it naturally.

02:00:13.000 So he does it, compares his numbers, and then he hires this guy, Gregory Rychenko.

02:00:19.000 Is it Rychenkov?

02:00:21.000 Richenko?

02:00:24.000 That's the guy who was the head of the Russian anti-doping, and I'm making air quotes, anti-doping program.

02:00:33.000 And so during, yeah, Rodchenkov, Gregory Rychenkov.

02:00:38.000 So during the filming of it, it turns out that the Russians get busted because during the Sochi Olympics, the entire roster of Russian athletes was on Roy's.

02:00:53.000 So what they did was they cut a hole in the wall and they would take the piss that the Russians had given after the competition. 0.80

02:01:01.000 They'd sneak it through the hole and sneak in some new piss and put it in its place. 1.00

02:01:06.000 But what they had found was that there was microabrasions in the jars.

02:01:12.000 They supposedly had these unopenable jars.

02:01:14.000 And the Russians had figured out a way to snake some sort of a utensil or some sort of a device and open up these jars, swap out the piss and put in some fresh clean piss in the same jar. 0.97

02:01:29.000 So this is while they're filming.

02:01:32.000 So he is being taught how to juice up by this guy.

02:01:37.000 So this guy's telling him, this is what you would take, and this is how much to take.

02:01:40.000 So he's doing preparing to go do this cycling race juiced up.

02:01:45.000 And while this is happening, this guy has to flee Russia because now he gets busted.

02:01:51.000 And then he starts telling Brian Fogel everything.

02:01:55.000 He tells him how they run the program.

02:01:57.000 So now, to this day, this guy's hiding.

02:01:59.000 He's in witness protection.

02:02:01.000 They arrested his family.

02:02:03.000 I think they took his family's money away.

02:02:06.000 They took their home away.

02:02:07.000 They took everything.

02:02:08.000 And because they want them to turn this guy in.

02:02:10.000 So he's in witness protection right now still in America hiding because they'll assassinate him if they find him.

02:02:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:17.000 Because this guy gave up the entire secrets of the Russian doping program, which led to in the Brazil Olympics, Russia was banned from the Brazil Olympics.

02:02:26.000 Yeah, for the doping.

02:02:28.000 So this documentary is fucking wild because it shows he tells every the only people they didn't do it with was figure skaters.

02:02:37.000 They said the figure skaters, it didn't help.

02:02:40.000 And it actually hurt a little bit.

02:02:42.000 We tried, but it didn't help.

02:02:43.000 They want to keep them gay. 0.99

02:02:46.000 They wanted to keep them like whatever they wanted to keep them.

02:02:49.000 They just felt like there's something about giving them testosterone, giving them human growth hormone, steroids.

02:02:57.000 It fucked with their fine motor skills.

02:02:59.000 And it's like such a delicate sport.

02:03:02.000 You know, it's a sport of, it's just hand-eye coordination and balance.

02:03:06.000 And it didn't help them to be on performance-enhancing drugs.

02:03:10.000 You said keep them gay. 1.00

02:03:11.000 I don't think if you gave steroids to Johnny Weir, it's going to, you know.

02:03:16.000 Only one way to find out.

02:03:18.000 No, I'm just kidding.

02:03:19.000 That guy is pretty entertaining, Johnny Weir.

02:03:24.000 Was it a gay porn star? 0.75

02:03:25.000 No, he was an Olympic skater, right?

02:03:28.000 Is it Johnny Weir?

02:03:29.000 It's Johnny Weir.

02:03:33.000 Oh, right, right.

02:03:35.000 That's fantastic.

02:03:36.000 I don't know why I thought gay porn star. 0.88

02:03:38.000 I thought, like, if you're giving steroids to a gay guy, what would be the last guy that you would want to do it to to see if you could turn him not gay would be a gay porn star, right? 0.89

02:03:49.000 Like, give him steroids, and also he's like, why am I fucking all these guys?

02:03:53.000 This is crazy.

02:03:54.000 Thank you.

02:03:55.000 You've cured me.

02:03:56.000 It turns out it wasn't pray the gay away. 0.89

02:03:58.000 It's inject the gay away. 1.00

02:04:00.000 That preacher, pray the gay away. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Yeah.

02:04:02.000 Oh, those guys are funny.

02:04:03.000 Those guys are almost all gay. 1.00

02:04:05.000 Those gay. 1.00

02:04:06.000 Of course.

02:04:07.000 Yeah.

02:04:07.000 It's like.

02:04:08.000 They'll get together and hug it out, boners. 0.82

02:04:10.000 Yeah.

02:04:11.000 Kind of sad.

02:04:14.000 Just be how you're going to be, man.

02:04:15.000 Don't like tell everyone what to do.

02:04:17.000 Just live your life however you want to live it.

02:04:19.000 Well, this is a burden of responsibility on some of us for being judgmental.

02:04:23.000 And for so long, I mean, being gay was so dangerous to come out.

02:04:27.000 You could get killed.

02:04:28.000 You get beaten.

02:04:30.000 I mean, it's a testament to our society today that it is like not just accepted but celebrated that people are gay.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:39.000 It's because for so long, it was so hard to be gay.

02:04:42.000 Yeah.

02:04:43.000 You know the Turing test?

02:04:44.000 You know what the Turing test is?

02:04:46.000 Yeah.

02:04:47.000 Well, Alan Turing was gay.

02:04:48.000 And they, I mean, that's a terrible tragic story.

02:04:52.000 The man Really had an enormous impact on World War II, but still he had to be closeted, and then the and then they chemically castrated him in England in the 1950s.

02:05:08.000 And he's the guy who came up with the Turing test, which is a way to determine whether or not artificial intelligence had achieved sentience.

02:05:16.000 Could you tell if you're having, and most people believe that at this point in time, you can't tell.

02:05:22.000 Like, the Turing test has already been achieved.

02:05:25.000 Like, they've already passed it.

02:05:27.000 Like, if you talk to, like, perplexity, this is what I use for everything.

02:05:30.000 If I talked to it, I would not know whether or not that's a person or not.

02:05:35.000 I mean, it can communicate like a human.

02:05:37.000 Yeah.

02:05:38.000 And it can answer questions about anything.

02:05:39.000 It's just basically like a super genius human being that I ask questions to all the time on my phone.

02:05:46.000 And I don't, I don't ever feel like this is a computer.

02:05:50.000 It feels like a fucking person that's just like you have a wizard that you can ask any question of, and it can give you the answer.

02:05:57.000 So that's Alan Turing's invention was this test to determine whether or not you could determine whether artificial intelligence had achieved sentience.

02:06:06.000 And what did they do, this guy?

02:06:08.000 They fucking chemically castrated him for being gay, and he wound up committing suicide.

02:06:13.000 It's tragic.

02:06:14.000 I mean, all that he did in World War II, I mean, he's the father of the modern computer.

02:06:22.000 He break the Enigma code, which was considered unbreakable.

02:06:27.000 Yeah.

02:06:28.000 And just his country turned his back on him.

02:06:32.000 And everyone liked him, really.

02:06:37.000 And not even that long ago.

02:06:38.000 That's what's crazy.

02:06:39.000 Like, people who were alive back then are still alive today.

02:06:43.000 And that's how much the world has shifted.

02:06:45.000 Yeah.

02:06:46.000 And, you know, whatever it's been, 80 years.

02:06:48.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:06:50.000 Not even 80 years, 70 years, right?

02:06:50.000 Yeah.

02:06:52.000 Crazy.

02:06:53.000 Yeah.

02:06:55.000 Yeah, I'm fascinated by World War II and the characters from that.

02:07:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:01.000 No, World War II is a nutty time in history.

02:07:04.000 And it's also in a lot of people's eyes in America, one of the reasons why people are so fascinated with World War II.

02:07:11.000 It's the last time Americans got to feel like real heroes.

02:07:15.000 Yeah.

02:07:16.000 We fucking did it.

02:07:17.000 We turned back the Nazis. 0.88

02:07:18.000 We defeated them.

02:07:21.000 We stopped this takeover of the world by the most evil group that we've ever seen assembled in modern history.

02:07:28.000 And America came back, and there's that photograph, that famous photograph, I guess it's in Times Square, where the soldiers kissing that woman.

02:07:38.000 That was staged, right?

02:07:40.000 I believe it was.

02:07:41.000 Unfortunately.

02:07:42.000 Because the wars after that were muddy.

02:07:45.000 It was not like this is a good guy, this is the bad guy.

02:07:48.000 It's like, and then in Vietnam, it's not, you're not taking a hill.

02:07:53.000 It wasn't about that.

02:07:54.000 It became just the number of casualties.

02:07:57.000 Well, also, it was a war that didn't make any sense.

02:07:59.000 No, no.

02:08:00.000 We found out later on that it was a war that was started under false pretenses.

02:08:04.000 Sure.

02:08:04.000 Well, there's been a few of those.

02:08:07.000 But that was the one that's the most obvious.

02:08:08.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the most obvious and proven.

02:08:13.000 Like now, it's not a conspiracy theory.

02:08:15.000 They staged a false flag.

02:08:17.000 They lied to the American people.

02:08:19.000 It's the same thing Hitler did in the Russian mortgage. 0.89

02:08:23.000 Yeah.

02:08:24.000 Yeah.

02:08:25.000 Did you ever read Blitzed?

02:08:29.000 It's Norman Oler wrote about Hitler marching through Poland and about all the drugs that they were giving.

02:08:29.000 No.

02:08:35.000 Oh, yeah, the Purveton.

02:08:37.000 They would get jacked up on Purviton.

02:08:40.000 Fucking meth.

02:08:41.000 They had capsules, meth capsules, and the people at the front of the line got the most meth.

02:08:46.000 Yeah.

02:08:47.000 They dosed people up according to where you were.

02:08:51.000 But they realized that had diminishing returns because they're just jacked up all the time and they're not sleeping and then it starts falling off.

02:08:57.000 Yeah.

02:08:58.000 But by then they were addicted.

02:09:01.000 Well, it turns out you could do it for three days and get all the way through Poland.

02:09:04.000 Yeah.

02:09:05.000 That's how they did it.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:07.000 Three days, no sleep.

02:09:09.000 And Hitler was like, I know how we could do it. 1.00

02:09:12.000 Just meth everybody up and have a march.

02:09:14.000 Well, he was taking more drugs than anyone.

02:09:16.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:17.000 Well, he had his own doctor that wasn't a part of the.

02:09:17.000 Just.

02:09:20.000 Yeah, that shady-ass doctor.

02:09:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:09:23.000 It's all in the book.

02:09:23.000 book is fantastic it's really good because it's just like and he said that most of what Hitler was on was actually opiates Yeah, eukinol.

02:09:34.000 I don't know.

02:09:35.000 Pervitin.

02:09:36.000 Well, Purvitin is a meth, right?

02:09:38.000 It's an yeah, Purvitin is the meth, but I think eukinol was an opiate.

02:09:43.000 He was on a lot.

02:09:45.000 He was on a lot of shit.

02:09:46.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 A lot of different things.

02:09:49.000 Do you know that he also had a genetic anomaly that would lead to his testicles not descending?

02:09:53.000 And most likely.

02:09:55.000 Yeah, I think it's called Cormann syndrome or something like that.

02:09:59.000 Eukinol.

02:09:59.000 Oh, actually, it was an opiate.

02:10:02.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 I think it's called Hallman syndrome or something like that.

02:10:07.000 Whatever he got.

02:10:08.000 What is it called?

02:10:09.000 Moral was like Elvis' doctor.

02:10:13.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 So they got blood from the fabric.

02:10:18.000 What was it called?

02:10:22.000 What was the syndrome called?

02:10:24.000 Micropenis.

02:10:26.000 Yeah, well, definitely.

02:10:27.000 Micropenis was the Kalman. 0.95

02:10:29.000 That's what it is.

02:10:30.000 Kalman syndrome.

02:10:31.000 So what it was was they found blood from the couch where supposedly Hitler committed suicide.

02:10:38.000 They took that blood and matched the DNA to Hitler's bloodline. 0.76

02:10:42.000 So they knew it was a male and they knew the blood came from someone in Hitler's family.

02:10:48.000 So they're reasonably assured that this is Hitler. 0.91

02:10:51.000 And then they found that they had Kalman syndrome.

02:10:55.000 So researchers analyzing blood-stained cloth from the sofa where Hitler died found genetic marker linked to Kalman syndrome.

02:11:01.000 Disorder is a form of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, which resulted in insufficient production of sex hormones and can prevent or delay puberty.

02:11:12.000 Makes sense.

02:11:13.000 Right?

02:11:13.000 Yeah.

02:11:14.000 Methed up dude.

02:11:15.000 Little dick.

02:11:15.000 Yeah.

02:11:16.000 No balls. 0.91

02:11:16.000 Tiny dick. 0.91

02:11:17.000 Most evil man in history.

02:11:19.000 Wants to fuck the whole world.

02:11:21.000 Maybe one ball.

02:11:22.000 Maybe one ball.

02:11:23.000 Well, he was diagnosed with one undescended testicle.

02:11:26.000 That was a fact from one of his medical reports.

02:11:29.000 One of his testicles stuck up there.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:36.000 He had some problems.

02:11:37.000 He had some issues.

02:11:39.000 Yeah.

02:11:40.000 What a fucking monster.

02:11:41.000 Speaking of meth, we always talk about this documentary that Johnny had a hand in.

02:11:46.000 Oh, that's right.

02:11:47.000 All the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia.

02:11:50.000 I fucking love that documentary, dude.

02:11:52.000 Thank you.

02:11:53.000 That documentary was crazy.

02:11:55.000 How did you get involved in?

02:11:56.000 How did you get involved in that?

02:11:56.000 Thank you, Jamie.

02:11:59.000 A friend of mine knew Julian Nitzberg, and Julian is the one who found Jessica White.

02:12:09.000 Julian was doing another documentary on, oh, shit.

02:12:18.000 Fuck, I can't remember right now.

02:12:20.000 But they're like, hey, do you want to meet Julian Nitzberg?

02:12:25.000 And I'm like, yeah.

02:12:26.000 And so I talked to Julian.

02:12:28.000 He told me the story of his being involved with Jessica White, the first doctor.

02:12:32.000 You saw the first one, right?

02:12:35.000 You did more than one?

02:12:36.000 No, no.

02:12:37.000 The first one Jacob Young did.

02:12:40.000 Julian Nitzberg found Jessica White, went to Jacob Young and said, hey, look at this guy.

02:12:44.000 Look at this character.

02:12:46.000 And it came out on videotape.

02:12:49.000 And if you saw it back in the late 80s, early 90s, it was usually like a copied over fourth.

02:12:58.000 Is this the dancing outlaw one?

02:12:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:13:00.000 So that's what you're doing.

02:13:00.000 Okay.

02:13:01.000 That's not the wild and wonderful one.

02:13:03.000 No, that was yours, right?

02:13:05.000 And so I was talking to Julian, and I'm like, well, what do you think Jessico's up to now?

02:13:05.000 Yes.

02:13:11.000 He's like, I don't know.

02:13:12.000 And so we got some money together and sent him to talk to Jessica and his family.

02:13:19.000 And now because of just generational neglect and all the young kids coming up, he's like, he was like, you know, the wildest one in the family, but now he's like the eighth wildest.

02:13:36.000 All the younger ones are much, you know, more intense.

02:13:41.000 And we came back with three days of footage and we're like, holy shit.

02:13:45.000 And we cut something together and took it to my friends at MTV.

02:13:51.000 And they're like, yeah, okay, we'll give you some money.

02:13:57.000 They weren't even sure.

02:13:58.000 They're like, you guys haven't, you know, failed us yet.

02:14:04.000 So they just pushed the money our way and we came back with that.

02:14:08.000 It was wild.

02:14:09.000 It's a fucking amazing documentary.

02:14:10.000 They're a charismatic family, a charismatic bunch of outlaws.

02:14:16.000 Yeah, well, it's certainly entertaining.

02:14:18.000 And it's also an untold story about that part of the country and how they've been ravaged by pills.

02:14:25.000 Well, they've been rapped.

02:14:26.000 First of all, they were ravaged by the coal companies.

02:14:29.000 Right.

02:14:30.000 Jacking their town, and then you can only buy stuff from the company store.

02:14:36.000 And then when the coal's gone, fuck you, we're out of here.

02:14:39.000 And the town's just left, you know, massacred.

02:14:43.000 And then with no thought of what happens to those people.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:49.000 And you see how that can make the whites and anyone in that area feel, right?

02:14:58.000 And so, like, oh, the man, we're going to stick it to the man.

02:15:00.000 The man stuck it to us.

02:15:02.000 We're going to stick it to the man.

02:15:03.000 Yeah.

02:15:04.000 With, you know, they all get checks for disability checks.

02:15:08.000 And, you know, they're, I don't know.

02:15:11.000 It's just, it's just pretty sad.

02:15:13.000 It's very sad.

02:15:14.000 Entertaining and sad at the same time.

02:15:16.000 Like, it's like you're very conflicted.

02:15:17.000 Like, you want to laugh at them, but you're also like, oh, my God, like, there's kids there.

02:15:21.000 Like, there's families here.

02:15:22.000 They're all fucked up.

02:15:23.000 Like, the kid doing backflips because he's high on Mountain Dew.

02:15:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:29.000 And he's talking about stabbing, I forget which boyfriend of Sue Bob's or Sue Kirk's.

02:15:37.000 It's crazy.

02:15:38.000 It was intense.

02:15:40.000 Yeah, but it's both funny and entertaining, but also deeply disturbing at the same time because you realize, especially towards the end of the film, where they want to get out of this life.

02:15:49.000 Like they're trying to clean up, you know, and she's trying to get off pills.

02:15:54.000 Yeah.

02:15:55.000 Yeah.

02:15:57.000 But, you know, it's tough when you're raised in an environment and, you know, you don't know how to get out.

02:16:07.000 Right.

02:16:07.000 You don't have those tools.

02:16:09.000 Well, there's no clear path.

02:16:10.000 There's no clear path out of there.

02:16:12.000 And everywhere around you is fucked.

02:16:15.000 Everything's fucked.

02:16:16.000 Everyone's fucked.

02:16:17.000 There's no good examples of people that figured it out, got their shit together.

02:16:21.000 There's no one cool uncle that, you know, went straight.

02:16:25.000 Well, there is part of the family that moved to Michigan and they started flourishing.

02:16:30.000 Oh, that's right.

02:16:30.000 I think we.

02:16:31.000 Yeah.

02:16:31.000 That's right.

02:16:32.000 That's the movie.

02:16:33.000 But it's, yeah.

02:16:35.000 Fucking hard.

02:16:36.000 Yeah.

02:16:37.000 It's hard.

02:16:39.000 Yeah, it's like, I think There's just forgotten sections of our country when it comes to just extreme despair and poverty and just overall, like you said, fucked over by the coal companies, fucked over by pills.

02:16:56.000 Everyone's addicted.

02:16:58.000 Everyone's just like this long history of crime.

02:17:04.000 And when you're raised in that continually, how do you see a way out?

02:17:10.000 You know, it just, I don't know.

02:17:13.000 It's pretty, pretty sad.

02:17:17.000 But when you filmed it, did you think it was going to be sad?

02:17:19.000 Or did you think it was just going to be crazy?

02:17:21.000 You don't know what you're walking into.

02:17:23.000 You have no idea.

02:17:28.000 So what came back was it was very impactful and you couldn't turn away.

02:17:42.000 It just, yeah, there's a lot of shit that really pulls on your heartstrings, but they're so charismatic and they have such a way about them.

02:17:54.000 I don't know.

02:17:55.000 It makes it their sense of humor helps ease you through it about the situation.

02:18:04.000 But still, it's a situation.

02:18:06.000 Did you take them to the premiere or anything?

02:18:08.000 Did any of that?

02:18:10.000 We flew Jessico and Mamie in for the premiere.

02:18:18.000 And I remember he was going to tap dance at the premiere, and he's got his tap shoes, which were his father, D-Ray White's tap shoes.

02:18:36.000 They're just in a plastic pharmaceutical bag.

02:18:42.000 But I dropped them when I got out of the car, and I was just hard.

02:18:45.000 I was just like, I felt terrible.

02:18:48.000 But their characters, it was pretty wild meeting Jessica and Mamie.

02:18:55.000 That's my friend Storm I grew up with.

02:18:57.000 He helped produce.

02:18:59.000 I remember me, Jessico, White, and Mike Judge just sitting in a bar before having drinks.

02:19:07.000 Oh, Mike Judge was involved in this too?

02:19:09.000 No, no, he's just a friend of mine, and he was like, I want to meet Jessica and Mamie.

02:19:13.000 I love that guy.

02:19:14.000 Mike Judge is cool as fuck.

02:19:15.000 He's so talented.

02:19:17.000 Very, very talented.

02:19:18.000 So bright.

02:19:19.000 Man was an engineer starting out, then a musician.

02:19:23.000 And he's an interesting character.

02:19:27.000 Very, very interesting guy.

02:19:29.000 But how did they react to the film?

02:19:32.000 And watching people watch them and laughing and going crazy.

02:19:40.000 I mean, at the premiere, they seemed, they really enjoyed it.

02:19:44.000 You know, it's like it's a big thing.

02:19:46.000 You see yourself up on screen.

02:19:48.000 I know the subject matter is tough, but I don't know.

02:19:52.000 That's their life, right?

02:19:54.000 They're not surprised by anything.

02:19:56.000 Right.

02:19:57.000 It's just, you know.

02:19:59.000 What happened with them after the film?

02:20:03.000 Do you follow up on them?

02:20:05.000 Every now and then, Julian will send me something.

02:20:07.000 One of them will be in the news for this or that.

02:20:13.000 You know, I haven't stayed in touch.

02:20:17.000 I didn't stay in touch.

02:20:18.000 What'd you say, Jamie?

02:20:19.000 Subob's on TikTok with her daughter.

02:20:21.000 Oh, boy.

02:20:23.000 Subob's got the best voice.

02:20:24.000 Yeah.

02:20:25.000 I was always a sexy one.

02:20:29.000 How do you even get that voice?

02:20:31.000 That's crazy.

02:20:32.000 Yeah.

02:20:33.000 Have you ever thought about doing a follow-up?

02:20:33.000 What a voice.

02:20:38.000 Someone else can.

02:20:40.000 I don't.

02:20:42.000 We did it, and I think we moved on.

02:20:45.000 I think at some point it's a little much to go back to that well.

02:20:52.000 I don't feel right about it.

02:20:53.000 Right, a little exploitative.

02:20:54.000 Yeah.

02:20:55.000 I don't feel right about it.

02:20:56.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:20:58.000 Do you do, do you have aspirations to do other stuff?

02:21:02.000 Do you have any other things that you're trying to do?

02:21:06.000 Well, I mean, in the film world, sure.

02:21:13.000 So, yeah, I have a lot of doing documentaries.

02:21:19.000 I have a couple of documentaries I'm trying to get off the ground.

02:21:23.000 And, you know, one on David Allen Coe, who's who Julian Nitzberg was going to direct.

02:21:32.000 Do you know who David Allen Coe is?

02:21:34.000 Yeah.

02:21:34.000 He's a country singer, songwriter, who's like, was the he from the age of nine to 35, he was institutionalized.

02:21:45.000 You know, his parents just kind of used too much and they put him in the boy's home.

02:21:51.000 And he was the head of the outlaw motorcycle gang for a while.

02:21:56.000 He had eight or nine wives for a while.

02:22:02.000 He formed his form.

02:22:07.000 He formed his own religion.

02:22:09.000 He wrote his own, you know, wrote a book.

02:22:14.000 He was the best.

02:22:16.000 I have to show you a picture.

02:22:20.000 And he also wrote some racist songs while he was in prison, and Shel Silverstein convinced him to record those when he got out.

02:22:29.000 I turned my face.

02:22:30.000 Shell Silverstein, the guy who wrote children's books, and a boy named Sue, and on the cover of The Rolling Stone.

02:22:37.000 Shel Silverstein wrote a lot of songs.

02:22:41.000 And he convinced a couple of the songs are, you know, racist and can't really, there's no defense to them.

02:22:49.000 He's lived a very complicated life.

02:22:52.000 But in the 80s, he decided, I'm going to become a magician.

02:22:58.000 And I have a picture of him and a ventriloquist.

02:23:02.000 And I'll show it to you in a second.

02:23:03.000 It's pretty.

02:23:05.000 He's the most frightening fucking ventriloquist you've ever seen.

02:23:11.000 Like, and the weird thing is, the magicians, Penn and Teller, credit him as one of their influences.

02:23:22.000 Is that him with his dummy?

02:23:24.000 No, it's Terry Gallen.

02:23:26.000 Okay, let me find it real quick.

02:23:29.000 So it's an incredible story, but it's just hard getting something like that made now for people who aren't wanting to.

02:23:39.000 Okay, come on.

02:23:41.000 I'm bringing up.

02:23:43.000 So we're trying to tell that story.

02:23:48.000 And so just whatever just strikes your interest, like things that you find fascinating.

02:23:58.000 Can I airdrop this to Jamie?

02:24:00.000 Yeah.

02:24:01.000 Here we go.

02:24:01.000 How do I do this?

02:24:02.000 And his son, Tyler Coe, does that podcast, Cocaine and Rhinestones.

02:24:05.000 It's a brilliant podcast.

02:24:07.000 His son's really sharp friendly.

02:24:10.000 It says airdrop code required.

02:24:13.000 And so that's how you decide things, just based on what's interesting?

02:24:17.000 Just like I don't know how else to decide things.

02:24:20.000 Look at that.

02:24:21.000 David Allen Coe, look at his bell buckle.

02:24:23.000 Look at that bell buckle.

02:24:25.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:28.000 Scary looking dude with a dummy.

02:24:30.000 His son, Tyler, is like, I thought that thing was real when I was growing up.

02:24:35.000 You know, it's because he made it seem that way.

02:24:39.000 Well, there's a weird connection between a really good ventriloquist and their dummy that gets very odd.

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:44.000 It's like in the Twilight Zone episode where the guy has the dummy.

02:24:48.000 Do you ever see that?

02:24:49.000 No.

02:24:50.000 Oh, it's great.

02:24:50.000 It's a Twilight Zone episode where the dummy and the guy are having conversations when no one's around.

02:24:55.000 The dummy is alive.

02:24:58.000 And then I think the dummy kills the guy.

02:25:00.000 And then, but I had a guy that I used to work with way back in the day.

02:25:06.000 His name was Otto and George.

02:25:08.000 And he was a ventriloquist comedy act.

02:25:10.000 And George was the dummy, and Otto was the guy.

02:25:14.000 And Otto would be like, I can't believe you're saying these things.

02:25:18.000 And George would say, like, really fucked up.

02:25:20.000 And George was an evil-looking dummy with like crazy eyebrows.

02:25:23.000 He was a legend, like a comedy legend.

02:25:25.000 That's Otto and George.

02:25:27.000 Oh, wow.

02:25:28.000 Yeah.

02:25:28.000 They were a little too close.

02:25:30.000 It was a little close.

02:25:31.000 Like, he would be driving in the car, and George would be in the trunk, and he would tell the guy driving, pull over.

02:25:37.000 I got to check on George.

02:25:39.000 Like, he felt like he had to pull over and talk to the dummy.

02:25:44.000 And he'd get out by the side of the road, pop open the trunk, and hear him back there, like just fucking around with the dummy, like looking at it, talking to it.

02:25:52.000 Then he'd put it back in and drive off.

02:25:54.000 Like, he would get in his head that the dummy needed to be checked on.

02:25:59.000 How does a guy like that operate in life?

02:26:01.000 I mean, he's dead now, unfortunately.

02:26:04.000 We all end up that way.

02:26:06.000 He partied hard.

02:26:08.000 Right.

02:26:08.000 Like, he had he was an enthusiast.

02:26:12.000 Relationships?

02:26:14.000 I don't know.

02:26:15.000 I mean, I never heard about him being married or anything like that.

02:26:18.000 I don't believe he had any children.

02:26:20.000 But he was nuts.

02:26:21.000 He was like, it was a, like, I never got to know him all that well.

02:26:25.000 It was, I worked with him a ton of times, but it was always like, and he's like, hey, Joe, how are you?

02:26:31.000 You know, he'd have his dummy there.

02:26:32.000 But you would just, everybody would go to the back of the room when Otto would go on stage.

02:26:36.000 We'd all want to watch.

02:26:38.000 That was his relationship, the dummy.

02:26:41.000 Well, I was, you know, I don't know if he had other relationships, but that was a big one.

02:26:45.000 And one time he was going back and forth with some guy in the audience, and the dummy was saying horrible things to this guy.

02:26:51.000 And the guy stabbed the dummy.

02:26:53.000 The guy jumped up on stage and stabbed the dummy.

02:26:59.000 It was at Dangerfields.

02:27:01.000 Yeah, I think it was at Dangerfields.

02:27:03.000 What a brilliant mood.

02:27:05.000 That's inspired.

02:27:05.000 Yeah.

02:27:07.000 Yeah, I mean, he was a part of the program.

02:27:09.000 The guy was a part of the performance.

02:27:11.000 Jumped up and stabbed the dummy.

02:27:13.000 Because he would just say.

02:27:14.000 That's probably worse than stabbing him.

02:27:15.000 You know, his heartbroke.

02:27:17.000 Well, I mean, you know, I'm assuming the guy was doing it for fun, but unless he thought the dummy was actually the problem.

02:27:30.000 That critical thinking.

02:27:32.000 I think they're actually doing a documentary on Otto and George.

02:27:36.000 Yeah, I think someone's working on that right now.

02:27:36.000 Really?

02:27:39.000 So that would be interesting.

02:27:41.000 He was a legend on the East Coast during the 1980s and the 1990s.

02:27:45.000 Like we all knew Otto and George.

02:27:48.000 Wow.

02:27:49.000 I completely missed that.

02:27:50.000 Yeah, but like a lot of people that are brilliant, he was out of his fucking mind and never really got traction in terms of like a real national career.

02:27:58.000 But he was very funny and a really good joke writer.

02:28:00.000 He was a funny guy.

02:28:01.000 Yeah.

02:28:03.000 Yeah, because they don't have that little extra side of them.

02:28:07.000 Yeah.

02:28:07.000 Business part.

02:28:08.000 The business part was missing.

02:28:10.000 Yeah.

02:28:10.000 He was just a maniacal genius.

02:28:16.000 I have something to do after this.

02:28:17.000 I'm going to look up Otto and George.

02:28:19.000 Yeah, it's something to look up.

02:28:21.000 Listen, man, good luck on Fear Factor.

02:28:23.000 Thank you.

02:28:24.000 I hope it runs another 148 episodes, just like when we did it back in the day, and I hope nobody gets hurt.

02:28:30.000 Yeah, I appreciate that.

02:28:31.000 I appreciate you having me on.

02:28:32.000 Oh, my pleasure.

02:28:33.000 It's great to meet you, man.

02:28:34.000 You've entertained the fuck out of me over the years.

02:28:36.000 Thank you.

02:28:37.000 And give me a lot of anxiety as well.

02:28:39.000 I'm glad you're okay.

02:28:39.000 Yeah, for the most part.

02:28:41.000 Well, thanks for doing this.

02:28:42.000 Tell everybody, when does it air?

02:28:43.000 When does Fear Factor start?

02:28:45.000 It premieres tomorrow.

02:28:46.000 Oh, no, excuse me.

02:28:48.000 Premieres tonight, the 14th.

02:28:49.000 Okay.

02:28:50.000 Sorry, I've been on a whirlwind kind of thing.

02:28:52.000 So it's on tonight.

02:28:53.000 Awesome.

02:28:53.000 Yeah.

02:28:54.000 Awesome.

02:28:54.000 All right.

02:28:55.000 So good luck.

02:28:56.000 Thank you.

02:28:57.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 15, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2439 - Johnny Knoxville

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