The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2441 - Paul Rosolie

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Jungle Man.

00:00:13.000 What's happening?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, my brother.

00:00:15.000 What's going on?

00:00:15.000 You got books?

00:00:16.000 You got notes?

00:00:17.000 I got books.

00:00:17.000 I got this.

00:00:18.000 I got this for you.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, a little note in there you can read later.

00:00:22.000 Trigger keeper, buddy.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, the brand new.

00:00:24.000 That's what back from the Amazon with that.

00:00:27.000 Nice.

00:00:27.000 Marshi, say hi to everybody.

00:00:29.000 I love that you bring Marshall.

00:00:30.000 Has Marshall come on other podcasts or is it just a good boy?

00:00:35.000 You're a good boy.

00:00:36.000 I just have to keep him from going under the water.

00:00:40.000 I've got to keep him from getting under the water.

00:00:43.000 Come on.

00:00:43.000 Come on out here.

00:00:44.000 Shay hi.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:48.000 He's the best.

00:00:49.000 He is the best.

00:00:50.000 He's a big sweetie.

00:00:51.000 He's soft, man.

00:00:52.000 He's got amazing coat.

00:00:54.000 Big sweetie.

00:00:54.000 Well, he gets groomed.

00:00:56.000 Oh, thank you.

00:00:57.000 Thank you for the kisses.

00:00:58.000 Okay.

00:00:59.000 Okay, lie down, please.

00:01:01.000 Lie down.

00:01:02.000 Lie down, please.

00:01:04.000 So, my God.

00:01:06.000 You released that video.

00:01:07.000 I saw the video of the uncontacted tribe.

00:01:10.000 Yeah, hitting send on that was scary because wild.

00:01:15.000 I sent you a message that day.

00:01:16.000 Yeah.

00:01:17.000 When that happened.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, you did.

00:01:18.000 That is crazy.

00:01:19.000 I've showed it to a few people, but we never showed it live.

00:01:22.000 But it is.

00:01:22.000 So, Marsha, you got to lie down, buddy.

00:01:25.000 You can't be climbing under the wires.

00:01:27.000 Lie down, Bubba.

00:01:28.000 Sit, sit, sit.

00:01:28.000 Come here.

00:01:29.000 Good boy, good boy, good boy.

00:01:31.000 That experience has to be so insane to contact legitimately uncontacted people.

00:01:37.000 There they are.

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, do not look at their dongs. 0.83

00:01:41.000 Do not.

00:01:42.000 Well, I mean, you know, but also maybe take a style tip from them and tie them up.

00:01:45.000 Weird how they got their waist wrapped up, but they don't have their dongs wapped up or their butthole. 1.00

00:01:52.000 Well, it seems like they're trying to protect or they're trying to keep lots of rope.

00:01:57.000 I think rope is like their main thing.

00:02:00.000 So that's how they carry all their rope.

00:02:02.000 Interesting.

00:02:03.000 They carry the rope around their waist.

00:02:05.000 They carry their rope around their waist and they just want rope. 0.79

00:02:07.000 They want rope and bananas.

00:02:10.000 Do bananas grow in the Amazon?

00:02:13.000 So bananas don't grow unless people plant them.

00:02:15.000 So there's certain human settlements where you can find old bananas growing.

00:02:20.000 But these, you know, plantains really is what this is.

00:02:22.000 And they were requesting them.

00:02:23.000 What you see happening here is...

00:02:25.000 They request them.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:26.000 Yes.

00:02:26.000 They come out and I mean, these are people coming out a thousand years late to society.

00:02:30.000 And they're out on the beach holding up their hands saying, no mole, we are the brothers.

00:02:34.000 Nomole means brothers.

00:02:35.000 And so now we actually think that they call themselves the brothers.

00:02:39.000 Whoa.

00:02:40.000 And their first thing was, we want bananas.

00:02:43.000 And so the local anthropologists that we were with, we were just there to work with the communities that we work with.

00:02:50.000 And these guys came out across the beach and you see them, they're holding their bows.

00:02:55.000 And those bows are six-foot bows, seven-foot arrows.

00:02:58.000 And the anthropologist was saying, put down your weapons.

00:03:01.000 Put down your bows before you talk to us.

00:03:04.000 This does not need to be violent because their first instinct is to defend themselves.

00:03:09.000 And so there's maybe 20, 30 of us, and the local guys had a couple of shotguns just in case for protection because we were not initiating contact.

00:03:18.000 That's the thing I've been explaining to everybody.

00:03:19.000 We were just there working in the community.

00:03:21.000 They came out to us.

00:03:23.000 So they knew you were there and they came out to you.

00:03:26.000 And does someone speak their language?

00:03:28.000 There's one guy in the community that kind of speaks a little bit.

00:03:32.000 They speak in the community, they speak Yine.

00:03:34.000 The Mashko Piros speak a derivation of that. 0.99

00:03:37.000 And so they're speaking in broken terms across the river.

00:03:42.000 So they were sort of shirts versus skins.

00:03:44.000 We were on this side of the river.

00:03:45.000 They were on that side of the river.

00:03:47.000 And then, I mean, the courage of this guy to get in the river and go, you know, 10 feet from them and push the canoe.

00:03:55.000 There was no contact, no physical contact made.

00:03:58.000 But he gave them these plantains, and then you notice when they take them, it's not like, oh, yeah, let's take the plantains, we'll go back in the jungle and divvy them up.

00:04:06.000 It's like, what I get, I get.

00:04:07.000 They're fighting over them, and they were all screaming and fighting over them.

00:04:10.000 So there's desperation there.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, well, like, I mean, I guess food is fucking hard to come by, right?

00:04:16.000 I mean, the jungle's filled with life, but it's still, it's got to be difficult to source, and you've got to do it every single day.

00:04:24.000 Every single day.

00:04:25.000 There's no refrigeration, there's no preservation.

00:04:28.000 No, so everything is instantaneous.

00:04:29.000 You shoot a monkey, you got to cook it and eat it.

00:04:31.000 You know, you get a turtle, you got to eat it, you got to open it and eat it.

00:04:34.000 And so there's, I mean, you can see there that questioning look on their face.

00:04:40.000 They don't understand who we are.

00:04:44.000 And really the only communications that we got was, we need more food and stop cutting down our trees.

00:04:53.000 They wanted to, they said, who are the bad ones?

00:04:55.000 They said, of you, who are the bad ones?

00:04:57.000 Why are you cutting down our biggest trees?

00:05:00.000 Well, not just cutting down the trees, but also killing the indigenous people that protest it, that get in the way of it. 1.00

00:05:06.000 If their tribe is centrally located in an area where they're chopping down the trees to kill those people.

00:05:11.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 And so right now what we have is we have the loggers and the gold miners coming in.

00:05:12.000 Yeah.

00:05:15.000 And so since like the last time I saw you, we were nailing all these successes, adding acres to the reserve, because what we're doing is trying to create this corridor, which is going to become a national park.

00:05:26.000 We're trying to save this one river in the headwaters of the Amazon.

00:05:29.000 And we had been on this success run, you know, from people hearing the stories, from things like this, people coming in and helping us do that.

00:05:40.000 And then it started to change where we realized, okay, we're protecting so much land that the logging mafias and the narco-traffickers started pushing back. 1.00

00:05:49.000 And so now it's getting more serious.

00:05:51.000 As we're getting closer to the finish line, it's getting harder because they're going, we want this to remain wild.

00:05:57.000 And we're going, we're trying to protect this.

00:05:59.000 And the local communities are going, this is our forest.

00:06:01.000 And the loggers and the narcos and the miners are coming from other places and they're cutting down this forest.

00:06:08.000 And so it's just, you know, I mean, everyone knows the Amazon is the lungs of the earth.

00:06:12.000 Everyone knows it produces a fifth of our oxygen on our planet.

00:06:16.000 It contains a fifth of the oxygen of the fresh water on our planet.

00:06:20.000 So it's vital to global planetary stability.

00:06:24.000 But we've already destroyed 20% of it.

00:06:26.000 And so we're seeing the moisture cycle get broken.

00:06:28.000 20%.

00:06:29.000 20% of the whole Amazon rainforest.

00:06:31.000 That's insane.

00:06:32.000 And that thing is so big.

00:06:34.000 2.7 million square miles.

00:06:36.000 And I think the lower 48 is 3.0 miles.

00:06:41.000 Wow.

00:06:42.000 It's gigantic.

00:06:43.000 Wow.

00:06:44.000 And they've already killed off 20% of it.

00:06:47.000 20% of it's already gone.

00:06:48.000 Is it mostly cattle running?

00:06:51.000 Like, what are they doing it for?

00:06:54.000 Cattle ranching accounts for 60% of Amazon deforestation.

00:06:57.000 And then it's just development, roads.

00:07:00.000 China has a new shipping port in Peru that they want to create, I think, a railroad over the Andes Mountains or through the Andes Mountains so they can start getting access to the Amazon for Asian markets.

00:07:12.000 Is it true they carved out a giant pathway through the Amazon for a climate change conference?

00:07:18.000 You know, I've been trying to figure out if that's true.

00:07:20.000 I saw that go all over the internet.

00:07:22.000 But it's one of those things, like, who knows if that's real.

00:07:24.000 That, and then the other one is they're like, you know, Swedish billionaire bought this much of the Amazon, and it's like, but what's his name?

00:07:31.000 They keep saying that, and I'm like, I don't know.

00:07:32.000 Well, let's put it into perplexity and find out if that's true.

00:07:37.000 Whether or not they carved out a pathway through the Amazon for a climate change summit.

00:07:42.000 Because that sounds like horseshit.

00:07:44.000 That just sounds too ridiculous.

00:07:46.000 There's no way they would do something that stupid.

00:07:48.000 I don't know, but I did see.

00:07:49.000 Also, why would they have a climate change summit in the Amazon?

00:07:52.000 Are you going to do it in a tent?

00:07:54.000 No, I think they did it in Manaus.

00:07:55.000 I mean, there are cities in the Amazon.

00:07:56.000 There's Iquitos, there's Manaus.

00:07:58.000 But you can fly into those cities.

00:08:00.000 You don't need to carve out a fucking pathway.

00:08:02.000 But I remember seeing a video of this guy, and he was saying, like, this is where the jungle used to be, and now it's just this big road.

00:08:08.000 And I was like, but again, who in charge of the climate?

00:08:11.000 Unless they were going to have a climate conference and just local administrators and politicians said, well, we better get ready and clear this area.

00:08:19.000 And like, maybe it wasn't intentional.

00:08:20.000 I don't know.

00:08:21.000 This stuff is pictures of it.

00:08:24.000 Whoa, it's on the BBC.

00:08:25.000 Amazon Forest fell to build road for climate summit.

00:08:28.000 There you go.

00:08:29.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:30.000 It's real.

00:08:35.000 A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém.

00:08:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:47.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:49.000 That is so crazy.

00:08:50.000 It aims to ease traffic to the city, which will help climate.

00:08:54.000 It's easier to drive when there's no trees.

00:08:56.000 More than 50,000 people, including world leaders, at the conference in November.

00:09:00.000 The state government touts the highway sustainable.

00:09:04.000 I love how they use that term.

00:09:05.000 Sustainable is one of those wonderful terms.

00:09:07.000 You can just throw on things.

00:09:09.000 Sustainable.

00:09:11.000 Credentials, but lacks local and conservationists, but some local and locals and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, duh.

00:09:21.000 That's crazy.

00:09:22.000 Look at that.

00:09:23.000 You're chopping down trees to protest chopping down trees.

00:09:26.000 That's fucking insane.

00:09:27.000 Sounds amazing.

00:09:28.000 I just, you know.

00:09:32.000 At what point in time are people going to wake up?

00:09:34.000 At one point in time, people are going to wake up.

00:09:36.000 And I think that that's, you know, that's sort of, as I've been, I've just started this book tour and everything else.

00:09:42.000 And it's the thing I'm trying to impress, I was just talking about this the other night, is like we've had world wars.

00:09:48.000 We've had great famines.

00:09:49.000 We had the dust bowls.

00:09:51.000 There's never been a time in history, though, before where we're looking at, is there going to be ecological collapse?

00:09:57.000 The thing that I'm talking about with where they've cut 20% of the Amazon, scientists are warning that if we cut too much of the Amazon, that moisture cycle, I think the thing was that 20 trillion liters of water every day are pumped into the air from the Amazon, and that becomes the cloud system that rains back down and creates the Amazon rainforest.

00:10:15.000 If you cut too much of that, you break the cycle.

00:10:18.000 And that forest has been growing for something like 55 million years.

00:10:22.000 I believe it formed in the Eocene.

00:10:24.000 And so we are the generation that's going to decide, do we find a sustainable way to keep the Amazon rainforest functioning, or are we going to break that cycle?

00:10:34.000 And once we lose it, it's not going to come back.

00:10:37.000 It's so crazy.

00:10:39.000 It's so crazy that people are so short-sighted.

00:10:41.000 They're like, we want to have cattle ranches. 0.79

00:10:45.000 It is disorganization and apathy.

00:10:47.000 It's like we have the ability to organize incredible.

00:10:50.000 I mean, if you can organize an airport, you can figure out a way to protect a forest.

00:10:54.000 But the fact that it's in numerous Latin American countries, Brazil wants to develop.

00:10:58.000 In Peru, you have the illegal gold miners coming in. 1.00

00:11:01.000 And now you have the pressure from the Asian markets.

00:11:04.000 And, you know, we found that if you just, I mean, that's what we've been doing over the last 20 years is going to these gold miners and loggers and going, how much do you make? 0.99

00:11:12.000 And they go, $20 a day.

00:11:13.000 You go, do you want to make $60?

00:11:15.000 And you get a cool shirt and you get health benefits and you get to ride a boat and you get a team.

00:11:20.000 And they're like, yeah, that sounds so much better.

00:11:23.000 And they're happy to come over.

00:11:24.000 But they need the opportunity.

00:11:25.000 We've talked about you doing that.

00:11:27.000 I think that is really amazing.

00:11:28.000 It's just crazy that it takes a person like you and your organization to put some sort of a dent in this.

00:11:36.000 This isn't some sort of a gigantic global effort, that there's not a lot of people that are recognizing this issue and saying, hey, this is a huge problem if this goes away.

00:11:48.000 I think, though, that there I see in the world that I exist in, I see that all over the world there's people doing conservation projects and that we are at this point where there's enough happening where, I mean, you had E.O. Wilson advocating for the half-earth policy where it's, you know, at least half of the earth has to remain ecosystems.

00:12:06.000 If you break too much down, if you ruin our ocean fisheries, if you cut the rainforests in the forest, you're going to ruin the weather.

00:12:12.000 The stuff that comes standard with life on earth is going to be depleted.

00:12:17.000 And so I think, you know, you see tiger numbers going up in India.

00:12:20.000 You see that there's actually been an increase in forest cover globally, but in some of the most important areas, like the Amazon, it's just wild.

00:12:30.000 And I mean, that's what we're doing is, you know, the guy JJ that I work with, who's local, he's been trying to, he's been saying this for years.

00:12:38.000 I mean, since we saw each other, he got, which I don't know how this happened.

00:12:41.000 I don't know how some of this stuff happens, but we got an email one day from Time, and they were like, we're selecting our, you know, 100 climate leaders of 2024.

00:12:53.000 And they're like, JJ is one of them.

00:12:55.000 And I have no idea how the people at Time select this, but they chose this.

00:13:00.000 I mean, JJ grew up in an indigenous community barefoot. 1.00

00:13:04.000 He didn't have shoes until he was 13.

00:13:06.000 And it was because he saw his forest get destroyed and because he saw the fish vanish from the rivers as nets came in.

00:13:12.000 And then as chainsaws came to the region, he saw the trees go down.

00:13:16.000 He went, we got to protect the next river.

00:13:19.000 And so he's the one that, you know, when I went down there at 18 years old, he's the one that was like, look, you got to help me protect this.

00:13:25.000 And of course, at 18 years old, I was like, how?

00:13:27.000 How do I do that?

00:13:29.000 How on earth is that possible?

00:13:31.000 And then when we started seeing the smoke on the horizon and we started hearing the chainsaws and it got more urgent, I started telling these stories and then the Anaconda stories and everything else, the first book that I wrote.

00:13:42.000 And little by little, Jane Goodall, people helped along the way.

00:13:47.000 Joe Rogan helped along the way.

00:13:49.000 Well, I'm happy to get the word out because I mean, it's kind of insane that it's happening.

00:13:56.000 But it's also that place is such a magical place.

00:14:00.000 And it has such an insane history that we're just starting to understand the history of the people that live there.

00:14:07.000 I mean, through the use of LIDAR, they're just starting to understand that the entire place was massively populated and that a lot of the plants that exist in the Amazon are actually agriculture plants that went, you know, went rogue when the people were depopulated because people brought in smallpox.

00:14:27.000 I got to push back on that.

00:14:29.000 I feel like that's a theory that's been becoming prevalent as a theory.

00:14:34.000 Well, sure, there was a jungle before.

00:14:36.000 Because even in the lost city of Z, I mean, even the talk, what is it Percy Fawcett?

00:14:41.000 Yeah.

00:14:42.000 The people that went there, they talked about the Amazon being a lush rainforest.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:47.000 And these enormous cities that were incredibly complex before the jungle swallowed them up.

00:14:54.000 So it's clear that there was some form of jungle there already.

00:14:58.000 100%.

00:14:59.000 But that these plants that they grew for agriculture were the ones that had, you know, once people stopped tending them and taking care of them, they overwhelmed the rest of the forest.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, a friend sent me a clip, and I think you were talking to Tom Segura, and you went, you know, and the crazy thing about the Amazon, and you went, it's largely man-made.

00:15:20.000 And I was like, threw something, and I was like, no, let's find out why we said that.

00:15:25.000 Let's pull that up, run that into perplexity and see what articles we get.

00:15:30.000 Because what they're saying is that these plants, the number, I believe, if I'm not misstating, the numbers that they exist in are not natural.

00:15:41.000 But that's only around these ancient sites.

00:15:44.000 And so I went and did a deep dive into this, and the sites that they've studied are along the watersheds.

00:15:49.000 And so in the Amazon, you have terra firma, which is sort of dry forest, and then it dips into the river basin and you have floodplain.

00:15:56.000 Most of these cities existed on floodplains.

00:15:58.000 And so where the scientists are able to go is up the rivers, and they go to the edges of these floodplains where they find ancient human settlements.

00:16:04.000 And that's where you find terrapreda soil, which is human-engineered.

00:16:07.000 And that's where you find there'll be like a higher incidence of certain trees or certain plants.

00:16:12.000 What are these trees?

00:16:13.000 And so, like bananas, for example, or sometimes they'll plant a higher amount of Brazil nut trees.

00:16:19.000 Here it is, our sponsor, Perplexity, which is always accurate.

00:16:22.000 Estimates suggest that roughly 10 to 15 percent of the Amazon standing forest shows clear signs of being man-made, or strongly shaped by long-term indigenous management, not planted as uniform tree farms, but modified over thousands of years.

00:16:36.000 Much of the Amazon that looks wild has been influenced by pre-Columbian indigenous agroforestry, soil enrichment, Amazon dark earths, that's terraprata, and species selection rather than being a purely untouched wilderness.

00:16:51.000 These systems differ from modern plantations.

00:16:54.000 They are diverse, semi-natural forests, enriched with useful trees and crops rather than rows of single commercial species.

00:17:02.000 So the idea of the terraprata was that a lot of the Amazon soil is not good for agriculture.

00:17:08.000 Is that correct?

00:17:09.000 It's barren. 0.97

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00:18:22.000 It used to be a vast inland sea.

00:18:24.000 Crazy.

00:18:25.000 Yes.

00:18:25.000 When it separated from Africa, the Congo and the Amazon used to be joined in some sort of proto-Congo system.

00:18:33.000 And then when they separated, the Amazon South America hit up against the Nazca Plate, the Andes Mountains shot up, and then the salinated water drained out.

00:18:42.000 And that's why we still have inland freshwater stingrays, manatees, pink river dolphins.

00:18:48.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:18:49.000 And so that happened over millions of years as those salinated water.

00:18:53.000 The saltwater dolphins adapted to freshwater.

00:18:55.000 Exactly.

00:18:56.000 And is that why they became pink?

00:18:58.000 They became pink, I think, because they've lost their pigmentation.

00:19:01.000 They have terrible eyesight.

00:19:03.000 They almost don't need to see because you don't, in that sediment-rich water, they're using sonar.

00:19:11.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

00:19:13.000 Yeah.

00:19:14.000 Wow.

00:19:14.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 So they've become almost blind?

00:19:17.000 All the fish.

00:19:18.000 You pull out these giant catfish, they hardly have eyes.

00:19:20.000 They have like light-sensing organs.

00:19:22.000 Whoa.

00:19:23.000 I mean, there are clear rivers in the Amazon, which I would love to.

00:19:23.000 You can't see.

00:19:27.000 I've never been to one.

00:19:28.000 And like the streams are clear, but the Amazon River itself is nothing.

00:19:31.000 Everyone's like, oh, you should bring a GoPro in the river with you.

00:19:34.000 And I'm like, for what?

00:19:35.000 You're not going to see anything.

00:19:36.000 It's just sediment.

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:38.000 But the thing that This theory about the Amazon is even human engineered is wrong.

00:19:45.000 Because when you look at the size of the Amazon, you look at that 2.7 million miles, it's that they've said that what they're not getting is that in the areas that these people have been studying with LIDAR and through this anthropological digging, they're saying it's more than we thought.

00:20:02.000 There's certainly more human settlements than we previously thought.

00:20:05.000 There maybe were a few million people there before Pizarro and the explorers came.

00:20:12.000 But when you know, what you don't realize is that between the rivers, between each river, which is the majority of the Amazon, is this terra firma giant jungle with hundreds of miles between the rivers, nobody's been there.

00:20:24.000 And so I just was reading a scientific paper.

00:20:26.000 It was saying they went out and sampled those areas and it showed absolutely no sign of human engineering.

00:20:32.000 And so most of the forest.

00:20:34.000 In terms of the growth of the plants, but did they do LIDAR to see if there's previous structures?

00:20:38.000 Well, the good thing with the LIDAR is that they fly over.

00:20:40.000 And so the LIDAR confirmed that over those human areas, like you get like a river confluence where two rivers are coming together, there'll be a human settlement there.

00:20:48.000 And in those areas, they find that the terra praeta, they'll find that the plants occur in different abundance and diversity than in the other places.

00:20:55.000 But that this message that the Amazon itself was engineered by ancient humans or prehistoric humans is not actually accurate.

00:21:03.000 It was a wilderness.

00:21:04.000 They're saying people clickbait?

00:21:06.000 I think they're saying it because people build their careers on, you know, if you come out and say, I have a new theory about how this formed, it gets attention.

00:21:06.000 Did they make it a little bit more difficult?

00:21:15.000 There's even a, and nothing against, what's his name?

00:21:19.000 Graham Hancock.

00:21:21.000 For a while, everyone's like, oh, Paul Rosalie needs to debate Graham.

00:21:24.000 No, I got nothing against Graham Hancock.

00:21:26.000 He's great.

00:21:27.000 But it's just the messaging is becoming that the Amazon was kind of man-made.

00:21:32.000 And so what happens is you get leaders like in Brazil going, well, if the Amazon was really man-made, then we can manage it now.

00:21:39.000 And it's just not accurate.

00:21:42.000 If you look at the, and even Smithsonian did an article where they said, these are the current things that are coming out.

00:21:47.000 These are the theories.

00:21:48.000 And then it went, yeah, but these theories discount the fact that 95% of the Amazon rainforest has not been surveyed in this way.

00:21:54.000 And most of it shows that these are just wild ecosystems that have been growing since the dawn of time for the last 55, 30 million years.

00:22:02.000 And it's just been speciating and growing and evolving on its own.

00:22:06.000 And it's only in these tiny areas that humans have done this sort of engineering.

00:22:11.000 Where there were tribes, the first one to come down the Amazon, he mentioned that there were tribes that had sectioned off parts of the river and they were growing the giant river turtles.

00:22:21.000 And that was their prime source of protein.

00:22:22.000 So they figured out how to get protein.

00:22:24.000 They're a giant river turtle.

00:22:25.000 Oh, tremendous.

00:22:26.000 They're like three or four feet across from the carapace.

00:22:29.000 Show me a giant river turtle, Jamie.

00:22:31.000 Oh, they're huge.

00:22:32.000 They're monstrous.

00:22:33.000 Absolutely.

00:22:34.000 We don't have them.

00:22:35.000 They're bigger than sea turtles?

00:22:36.000 Like those Hawaii?

00:22:38.000 Sea turtle size.

00:22:39.000 They're huge.

00:22:39.000 They're absolutely monstrous.

00:22:41.000 And then we found fossils.

00:22:42.000 Well, there we go on a beach.

00:22:43.000 We found fossils of an eight-foot river turtle.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, but see that.

00:22:47.000 So just like the ones you find in Hawaii.

00:22:50.000 Those sea turtles are like, if you go to the big island, you could swim with them.

00:22:53.000 It's pretty dope.

00:22:54.000 Yeah, these guys don't have flippers, though.

00:22:57.000 They still have claws.

00:22:59.000 And those are monster turtles.

00:23:02.000 And so they were growing them, farming them for them.

00:23:04.000 They were farming them.

00:23:05.000 And so in areas like that, you're going to see agriculture.

00:23:08.000 You're going to see pottery.

00:23:10.000 You're going to see terrapraeta.

00:23:11.000 You're going to see things where there was a small civilization by the edge of the river.

00:23:15.000 And then in the other 98% of the Amazon, no one's ever been there.

00:23:19.000 Have you had a sea turtle before?

00:23:21.000 Have you, this kind of turtle, whatever it is?

00:23:22.000 Have you eaten it yet?

00:23:23.000 Oh, sea turtle?

00:23:24.000 No, this?

00:23:25.000 This turtle?

00:23:26.000 Yeah.

00:23:26.000 Absolutely.

00:23:27.000 What is it like?

00:23:29.000 It's kind of slimy.

00:23:30.000 It's not like anything.

00:23:31.000 It's very strange because they cook it and just, you know, everyone always goes, how could you be a conservationist and eat the animal?

00:23:38.000 When you go to someone's house and they live on the side of a river and they go, we're having dinner, that's what they're serving.

00:23:43.000 You got to eat with them.

00:23:44.000 I wouldn't do that, man.

00:23:45.000 You're ruining it.

00:23:46.000 Yeah, how could you?

00:23:47.000 Let me throw paint on it.

00:23:49.000 Let me glue myself to this shell.

00:23:51.000 Yes, that's what I'm going to do next time.

00:23:54.000 I mean, I showed you that video where I'm sharing the monkey head with the girl. 0.57

00:23:58.000 It was like, I was babysitting a six-year-old and she was like, it's lunchtime.

00:24:01.000 And I was like, well, what did your parents leave you for lunch?

00:24:03.000 And she like opens this pot and pulls out a monkey head. 1.00

00:24:05.000 And she was like, this.

00:24:06.000 So we put it on the fire, warmed it up, and then we both sat there just like ripping.

00:24:10.000 I would like to rip off a piece for her because I was stronger and give it to her. 0.99

00:24:13.000 And then she was like, no, no, no, I want the ear. 0.95

00:24:15.000 And she like, she would rip off the ear. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Like, we just sat there eating a monkey face.

00:24:19.000 And so the turtle, they cook it in the shell.

00:24:21.000 They'll just like, you know, they'll just like slit its throat, throw it on the fire.

00:24:24.000 And so it cooks in the shell.

00:24:26.000 Then they part the shell.

00:24:28.000 And then you kind of just like, it's like a slow-cooked, like when the meat falls off the bone.

00:24:31.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:32.000 You just throw a little salt on there.

00:24:34.000 And it's kind of easier for salt.

00:24:36.000 So that's something they trade for.

00:24:37.000 They trade for it. 0.65

00:24:38.000 They trade for it. 0.65

00:24:38.000 I mean, the people I'm dealing with have access to the outside. 0.65

00:24:41.000 Even the really remote communities that are two days upriver, they trade with the outside world.

00:24:47.000 They have some interaction with money.

00:24:50.000 And so that's one of the things that we're doing as an organization is saying, okay, what do you want your future to look like?

00:24:55.000 Because right now you have a couple shotguns, you got a couple chainsaws, you got a couple boats, and those things make you want money.

00:25:02.000 But you also want to eat fish out of the river every day.

00:25:05.000 You also want to eat monkeys every day.

00:25:07.000 And these are your staples.

00:25:09.000 And they're like, you know, if you cut down more of these trees, there will be less monkeys.

00:25:14.000 If you shoot too many, like, it's not like they have deer tags where it's like a monitored thing.

00:25:18.000 They just, they're not understanding.

00:25:20.000 You know, when it was a bow and arrow, it was kind of a fair game.

00:25:22.000 All right.

00:25:23.000 Now the shotgun, it's like you can go shoot whatever you want.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, every time you point at a monkey, it's dead.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 It's not a tricky hunt.

00:25:30.000 And so we're working, these guys are, you know, working with us as rangers and we're building this develop, developing this relationship with the local communities of saying, how do you do you want to continue living this way?

00:25:40.000 Do you want your kids to live this way?

00:25:42.000 And the answer usually is yes, but with better health and education.

00:25:47.000 So we want to say, yes, but that's interesting.

00:25:49.000 So they like that way of life.

00:25:52.000 They want to continue that way of life because it's the only thing they've known.

00:25:55.000 I mean, have any of these people ever gone to like any of these other cities that are fairly close or that they could reach and seen what that life is like?

00:26:05.000 Yeah, we brought one of the communities.

00:26:07.000 They were having trouble with the Peruvian government getting recognized as an indigenous community.

00:26:12.000 And they were having this trouble for 15 years.

00:26:15.000 And we used, you know, now we have lawyers and people and we have an office and all this stuff in Peru.

00:26:19.000 And so we went and sat down with them.

00:26:21.000 We said, okay, why are you having this trouble?

00:26:23.000 I mean, you clearly are an indigenous community.

00:26:25.000 What's the holdup?

00:26:26.000 And the holdup was that it takes two days for them to get to the nearest town.

00:26:30.000 When they get to the nearest town, they're scared of the traffic.

00:26:35.000 They have no idea what to do with paperwork.

00:26:37.000 They have to sit in an office.

00:26:38.000 I mean, these are people that are like putting their bows and arrows and guns down and walking into an office and sitting there in the air conditioning.

00:26:44.000 And they're like, next, and they're like, sit.

00:26:45.000 And they're like, do you have form like I-227B?

00:26:48.000 And they're like, I totally.

00:26:49.000 And they're like, what's your social security number?

00:26:51.000 And they're like, ah.

00:26:52.000 And, you know, they got some like fish shells in there.

00:26:57.000 And so what we realized was that they were just having trouble with the administrative part.

00:27:00.000 And so we put our lawyers on it and we got them their indigenous titled land.

00:27:06.000 And so now no one can take that away from them.

00:27:08.000 And so for that, we brought them all to the city.

00:27:10.000 We had a big conference and we had a big celebration about it.

00:27:13.000 And they all had the feathers on their head and they were all celebrating.

00:27:16.000 And now they're safe.

00:27:17.000 Do they get is there any pushback?

00:27:19.000 Like, is there any like political influence by the whatever it is, miners, ranchers, anyone who tries to stop that from happening, bribe people to try to take over the land of these people?

00:27:31.000 Absolutely.

00:27:32.000 I mean, the Amazon is a war zone of influence.

00:27:35.000 And so you have, I mean, the miners, if anybody tries to protest the gold mining, they kill you.

00:27:41.000 So one of the lawyers that I was working with, his father had come out and said, look, as a local Peruvian person in the jungle, I want this to stop.

00:27:49.000 They can't, they're destroying, there's a, Jamie, there's a photo in the folder that says, I think it says sandstorm or something, but it's just, it's not even, again, deserts are actually ecosystems.

00:28:01.000 This is a wasteland.

00:28:02.000 They've destroyed hundreds of thousands of acres in the Peruvian Amazon.

00:28:06.000 You can see it from space.

00:28:07.000 It's this horrible scar, and they've cut the trees, burned the forest, and then they've sucked the land up.

00:28:14.000 And then they take the bottom of the sediment and they use mercury to bind the gold out of the sediment.

00:28:19.000 And then they burn the mercury off the gold, releasing it into the air.

00:28:23.000 Oh, great.

00:28:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:25.000 So that then in the rain, it comes down as mercury rain, which gets into the fish, which gets into the people.

00:28:29.000 And then also the miners must be getting mercury poisoning.

00:28:33.000 The miners all have mercury poisoning, birth defects, health problems, respiratory issues.

00:28:38.000 I mean, it's some of the fires.

00:28:44.000 That is me.

00:28:45.000 That is me running out there with me.

00:28:46.000 So you're right there.

00:28:47.000 Yeah.

00:28:48.000 I mean, as soon as we see forest burning, we run towards it.

00:28:52.000 And it rains there a lot, right?

00:28:54.000 So how long does this forest fire last?

00:28:56.000 Well, they do it in September.

00:28:59.000 It's like July through September when the forest is at its driest.

00:29:03.000 They come in and they cut the forest and they leave it down.

00:29:06.000 What was that picture you just showed me, Jamie?

00:29:08.000 That's a horrible picture.

00:29:09.000 Was that animals burned alive on a tree?

00:29:11.000 Two baby jaguars that were burned alive.

00:29:13.000 Oh, God.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:15.000 And so people.

00:29:15.000 And they just stuck on the tree, burned alive.

00:29:18.000 That's crazy.

00:29:19.000 People talk about, you know, we're losing ecosystems.

00:29:21.000 And it's like, it's not just about us.

00:29:23.000 These animals live there.

00:29:25.000 They have nowhere else to go.

00:29:26.000 And so there's massive individual suffering for millions of animals on a single tree.

00:29:31.000 And so then when you have these fires where they cut the forest and just burn everything, this, I mean, those trees would have been filled with monkeys and birds and the snakes, you know, they get scared.

00:29:43.000 They burrow deeper into their hole and then it burns.

00:29:46.000 And so this is all for gold mining?

00:29:49.000 This was for cattle ranching, this one.

00:29:52.000 This was invaders on our river that come in from other places.

00:29:56.000 They set up cows, they set up papaya.

00:29:59.000 And I mean, this is what it's supposed to look like.

00:30:00.000 It's supposed to be this lush, verdant, ancient rainforest filled with wildlife.

00:30:06.000 I mean, the cacophony of sound when you're going to sleep in your tent at night and you're out in a place like that, it's just this throbbing, pulsing symphony.

00:30:15.000 It's incredible.

00:30:16.000 The magic of that place, of real wilderness, is wild.

00:30:20.000 I mean, that particular shot was, we had to go for days to reach that spot, you know, all day on the river camp, all day on the river camp.

00:30:28.000 You know, you're going up rapids, you're going up the waterfalls to get to these places that nobody can go.

00:30:33.000 And there's an example of, it's, that was specifically a location where they've studied and they've found that there's never been a human settlement there.

00:30:41.000 It's just a corner of the Amazon ever.

00:30:43.000 Have they done LiDAR in these areas where they say that people live?

00:30:46.000 I don't know for sure.

00:30:47.000 That's where it gets weird, right?

00:30:48.000 Because they've done LIDAR in some of these places that were very lush and tropical.

00:30:53.000 And then they find these structures underneath it.

00:30:55.000 They find these areas that clearly had some sort of pathways and geometric patterns that indicate foundations of buildings.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:07.000 No, I mean, those are there.

00:31:08.000 I just think that right now the problem is that it's getting grossly overstated how much of the Amazon, if you take it as a football field and you go, man, I thought it was only in this much of the football field, you know, in a few inches of it.

00:31:20.000 And then you find out there's actually 10 feet of the football field that was, there's still the rest of the football field is still wild.

00:31:27.000 Right, right.

00:31:28.000 And so what I think that's the message that's getting lost is they're going, there's a lot more here than we thought.

00:31:33.000 That doesn't mean the whole thing.

00:31:34.000 I watched a documentary once on this guy who was losing his mind.

00:31:37.000 He was a scientist who was a biologist who's convinced that the giant sloth still existed in the Amazon and they couldn't find it.

00:31:46.000 And that these people who lived there were telling him, we see them, we know what they are, we have a name for them.

00:31:52.000 And this guy had been there for years and he was losing his mind because he couldn't find it.

00:31:56.000 And he sort of staked his academic reputation on the idea that this sloth existed.

00:32:02.000 Couldn't find anything.

00:32:03.000 But it doesn't mean it's not there.

00:32:04.000 It doesn't mean it's not there.

00:32:06.000 There's so much.

00:32:07.000 There's so much.

00:32:08.000 And the locals are never wrong.

00:32:11.000 Like, imagine if you were looking for a coyote and you had to look through the entire, like there was a thousand coyotes in the center of the United States.

00:32:19.000 And you started in Pennsylvania and you were hiking your way.

00:32:22.000 Like, I don't see any fucking coyotes.

00:32:25.000 But there's a thousand of them that are in North Dakota.

00:32:27.000 And you've got to find this.

00:32:29.000 Like, that's literally.

00:32:31.000 That's a great way of thinking of it.

00:32:32.000 It's the same thing with rattlesnakes.

00:32:34.000 When I was a teenager, I was exploring the mountains of New York.

00:32:39.000 And I was going, it says there's rattlesnakes here.

00:32:41.000 So I was just walking around finding every kind of snake.

00:32:43.000 I'd be like, well, where are the rattlesnakes?

00:32:45.000 And you don't realize wildlife occurs in populations.

00:32:48.000 And so the rattlesnakes were all near rattlesnake dens.

00:32:51.000 And so then I started making friends with other guys that were into snakes.

00:32:54.000 And they're like, yeah, we know where they are.

00:32:55.000 It's only, you see that mountain right there?

00:32:57.000 It's like, it's on the side of that.

00:32:59.000 Go to that in the morning when there's sun and you'll see them basking.

00:33:02.000 It's like, you got to go to where they live.

00:33:04.000 Right.

00:33:05.000 And you have to talk to the people that actually know.

00:33:07.000 Well, this guy was trying to do that, but there was this one scene of exasperation where he was like sitting down saying, did I stake my entire reputation on horse shit?

00:33:18.000 You know?

00:33:18.000 Did he?

00:33:19.000 Did he?

00:33:19.000 But did you have to pee?

00:33:21.000 He keeps getting up, which is unusual for him.

00:33:23.000 Can you tell Jeff to come and get him?

00:33:26.000 He might have to pee.

00:33:26.000 See if he can.

00:33:28.000 He's generally, he's happy to chill.

00:33:31.000 Yeah.

00:33:31.000 I'll just literally.

00:33:32.000 He keeps getting up and he's huffing.

00:33:33.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 Which is like he communicates that way.

00:33:36.000 Like when he wants to eat, he comes up to me and he huffs.

00:33:43.000 No, but I think that's that's the truth is that it's it's people think it's like you can just go find this stuff and it's that the the secrets in this world are hidden for a reason.

00:33:54.000 And even if there is a tribe that knows about the giant ground sloths, they're not going to tell us.

00:33:59.000 Right.

00:34:00.000 They're not going to tell someone from the outside.

00:34:02.000 So it might be like one valley between two mountains where there's still a population.

00:34:08.000 Here I'm pretty sure he has to go.

00:34:11.000 Thanks, Jeff.

00:34:14.000 I wouldn't, you know.

00:34:15.000 I mean, there's got to be a bunch.

00:34:16.000 Well, there's so many plants that they find there.

00:34:19.000 This is an interesting statistic.

00:34:22.000 Find out what percentage of pharmaceutical drugs, the compounds, emanate from the Amazon.

00:34:28.000 It's an enormous percentage.

00:34:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:31.000 A lot of the base drugs, quinine, came from the Amazon, the first cure for malaria.

00:34:35.000 I know Captopril, which was a blood pressure medication, came from Bushmaster Venom.

00:34:39.000 That was in the 90s.

00:34:41.000 There's so much.

00:34:42.000 I mean, I just got whacked by a stingray hard.

00:34:45.000 I saw that.

00:34:46.000 It got your foot, right?

00:34:47.000 That was brutal.

00:34:48.000 What happened?

00:34:48.000 What was that like?

00:34:49.000 That was brutal.

00:34:50.000 I mean that in – Bro, you've been hit by everything.

00:34:52.000 I had to – Dude, my body is a Jackson Pollock painting of scars.

00:34:57.000 Do you ever get checked for parasites?

00:34:59.000 Because you must have all of them.

00:35:00.000 I do.

00:35:00.000 Estimates typically say that about 25% of modern pharmaceutical drugs are derived from rainforest plants.

00:35:09.000 And many of those known examples come from the Amazon, but there's no precise peer-reviewed percentage just for the Amazon alone.

00:35:18.000 Most popular figures, you see, like 25% of medicines come from the Amazon, actually refer to all tropical rainforests, not specifically the Amazon.

00:35:25.000 But the thing is, like, how much of the Amazon has not been explored and how many potential pharmaceutical drugs or, you know, here's that's the term, right?

00:35:35.000 Pharmaceutical drugs.

00:35:36.000 What about natural remedies exist in the Amazon that aren't you don't need to patent them and sell them at a fucking pharmacy?

00:35:45.000 Yeah, I mean, look, so we have, you know, we have, we have neosporin.

00:35:50.000 You get a cut, it looks a little infected, you put neosporin on it.

00:35:52.000 It might work.

00:35:53.000 Down there, we have a tree that if you get, we tested this and it, it murders bacteria.

00:35:58.000 It's like a hundred times more potent than neosporin.

00:36:02.000 What's it called?

00:36:02.000 The sangre de drago.

00:36:04.000 It's not even a big secret.

00:36:05.000 Like people know about this.

00:36:07.000 Every time I post about it, everyone's like, yeah, we know about that.

00:36:09.000 We use it.

00:36:10.000 No, but no one's ever turned it into a break.

00:36:12.000 Can it grow in Austin?

00:36:14.000 Can I get some Sandre.

00:36:14.000 Probably.

00:36:15.000 How do you say it?

00:36:16.000 Sangre de Drago, the dragon.

00:36:17.000 Sangre de Drago.

00:36:21.000 Yes, dragon's.

00:36:22.000 I'm watching Game of Thrones again.

00:36:24.000 That sounds like something Khaleesi would say.

00:36:27.000 The mother of dragons.

00:36:30.000 And by the way, Carl Drago could have used that as he's out of anger.

00:36:34.000 I mean, right?

00:36:34.000 The thing that took him down.

00:36:36.000 That didn't make any sense to me.

00:36:37.000 I thought that was a plot hole.

00:36:38.000 No, seriously.

00:36:38.000 There it is.

00:36:39.000 That's dragon's blood.

00:36:41.000 Sangre de Drago.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, but is it good?

00:36:43.000 Is it sourced well?

00:36:45.000 Right.

00:36:45.000 It's probably made by some asshole.

00:36:47.000 It's probably like 1%.

00:36:48.000 The rest of it's corn syrup.

00:36:49.000 Because we just go, we just hit the tree with the machete, and then you have a spoon, and then you put it on your thing.

00:36:54.000 And actually, exactly that.

00:36:56.000 When I saw that, I thought the opposite.

00:36:57.000 I was like, oh, this great warrior.

00:36:59.000 I was like, that's such a great plot twist that just a nick killed him.

00:37:03.000 I mean, I just had a staph infection in my leg from one mosquito bite that just got itchy.

00:37:09.000 And then it spread and it spread and it spread until I had to be on double antibiotics.

00:37:13.000 They cultured it and it was MRSA.

00:37:15.000 And it's like, I would have died.

00:37:17.000 I was in the Amazon.

00:37:18.000 Well, I got MRSA years ago at, I had dengue and I had gone to a clinic in the city, which MRSA usually lives in the hospitals in the human areas.

00:37:29.000 Right, because it's a medication-resistant staph infection.

00:37:32.000 That's what MRSA stands for, right?

00:37:34.000 And so I had gotten it, and so I have a tendency now.

00:37:34.000 Yep.

00:37:37.000 I've been a little bit compromised in terms of infections because living 20 years in the jungle.

00:37:42.000 And so I had already gotten it.

00:37:45.000 So chances are that's where it doesn't exist.

00:37:47.000 And that's the thing you see in the wild jungle, you don't have malaria, you don't have rabies, you don't have dengue because the human population is so low that it doesn't spread.

00:37:56.000 A mosquito bites you here, the next person that's going to bite is me or Jamie.

00:38:02.000 Mosquito bites me in the city, and then I go out into the rainforest.

00:38:05.000 There's no one else for it to bite.

00:38:06.000 It's going to bite an anteater. 0.93

00:38:08.000 And so it's not going to spread like that.

00:38:10.000 Whereas if we have a town of loggers, that's why when you go to these logging and mining camps, the diseases, they're just, I mean, there's this thing called this type of flea called a peaky that burrows into your feet and lays eggs.

00:38:22.000 There's leishmaniasis.

00:38:24.000 There's malaria, dengue, what's the bird zyka virus?

00:38:28.000 There's all these crazy things, but we don't have that out in the jungle because, I mean, the ecosystem, the frogs eat most of the mosquito larvae.

00:38:39.000 The mosquito larvae, like bromeliad cups or puddles.

00:38:42.000 Well, bromeliad cups and puddles are filled with tadpoles.

00:38:46.000 And then, of course, there's turtles in the puddles eating the tadpoles, and then there's other things eating the turtles.

00:38:50.000 Everything's eating everything.

00:38:51.000 The ecosystem regulates it.

00:38:54.000 When you ruin that, so then you cut down the forest.

00:38:56.000 Now you have puddles sitting in the sun, and they're all twitching with mosquito larva.

00:39:00.000 So then you have tons of mosquitoes. 0.78

00:39:02.000 And so that's how nature, they say, you know, mangrove forests will stop tsunamis from destroying a town because they'll stop the rush of the water.

00:39:11.000 Well, forests will keep you safe by not only producing rainfall that'll come down on your crops, but also making sure that the ecosystem's not out of balance so you're not covered in mosquitoes and parasites.

00:39:21.000 When I lived in LA, I moved into a house in Encino that I was renting, and no one had lived there in quite a while, and they had left the water in the pool.

00:39:31.000 And when I was going out to look at the pool, the pool was completely green, and there was things swimming in it.

00:39:38.000 Like, I mean, like school swimming.

00:39:41.000 And I go, what is that?

00:39:42.000 And the guy goes, that's mosquito larva.

00:39:44.000 I was like, ooh!

00:39:46.000 Like, no way.

00:39:47.000 And he's like, yeah, we have to kill them.

00:39:49.000 We have to drain the pool.

00:39:52.000 I was just thinking about how many times I was going to get bit once these things hatched.

00:39:56.000 It was crazy.

00:39:57.000 It was like watching little fish swim around.

00:40:00.000 Little hatchlings.

00:40:01.000 Yep.

00:40:01.000 And then thank God for dragonflies because they'll lay their young in the same thing.

00:40:05.000 And dragonfly larvae will go murk those things. 0.98

00:40:07.000 They're savage.

00:40:09.000 And then you get tadpoles.

00:40:10.000 In the wild kingdom right in your pool.

00:40:12.000 Right in your pool.

00:40:13.000 Right in your little cup.

00:40:14.000 But when I got stung by the stingray, it was crazy because I had been walking.

00:40:19.000 I'd been walking with shoes in this stream.

00:40:21.000 I took my shoes off because I was like, oh, I'm at a waterfall.

00:40:23.000 I know this waterfall.

00:40:24.000 I love this waterfall.

00:40:26.000 Playing in the waterfall.

00:40:27.000 And man, it's the one thing.

00:40:28.000 Bullet ants, caiman bites, snake bites.

00:40:31.000 I've had it all.

00:40:32.000 The stingray bite was the one thing.

00:40:34.000 Worse than bullet ants.

00:40:36.000 A hundred thousand times worse.

00:40:37.000 Really?

00:40:38.000 And I'd seen one guy get stung by a stingray, and he had nerve damage, a systemic infection up his leg and his whole body, and he didn't walk for months.

00:40:38.000 Yes.

00:40:47.000 So when I got hit, I felt, this is what I felt.

00:40:50.000 I felt, in the flash of a second, I felt the stingray barb go into my foot and it wagged its tail under my skin.

00:40:57.000 So it flayed the skin off the arch of my foot and came out.

00:41:01.000 Oh, and it has venom?

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 So there, all the skin is.

00:41:07.000 Man, that's nasty.

00:41:10.000 Did you put the skin of the dragon or whatever the hell it is?

00:41:13.000 Better.

00:41:13.000 So I sat and of course my first thing was I was like, okay, I got to document that.

00:41:18.000 Oh, man.

00:41:18.000 I'm unconscious.

00:41:19.000 I'm unconscious at this point.

00:41:20.000 You're in that much pain.

00:41:22.000 Yes, I was blacking out.

00:41:23.000 He's like, what?

00:41:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I was literally, I knew people were filming, and I was like, I didn't, you know, you want to be tough.

00:41:29.000 You want to be like, all right, I just got bit by a stingray.

00:41:31.000 It's going to be fine.

00:41:32.000 I was not tough.

00:41:33.000 It says, I don't remember any of this.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 So that first thing right there, I started taking the video.

00:41:38.000 My friend comes up to me.

00:41:38.000 He was like, hey, man, he's like, you got to stop.

00:41:41.000 He's like, because in a minute, you're going to go under.

00:41:44.000 And I was like, what do you mean I'm going to go under?

00:41:46.000 And he's like, once the venom hits your system, he goes, you're not going to be able to walk.

00:41:50.000 And we're still a few miles from the river.

00:41:52.000 And he's like, we got to get you to the boat and we can't carry you.

00:41:55.000 Whoa.

00:41:56.000 And so they got me back to the station.

00:41:58.000 I don't remember any of it.

00:41:59.000 They had me laying on my back and I was in so much pain I couldn't put my foot down.

00:42:03.000 I mean, I was making deals with God.

00:42:04.000 I was going, if you just make the pain go away, I was like, I'll go to church every day.

00:42:08.000 I was like, I'll never smoke a cigarette again.

00:42:11.000 So that's the plant medicine.

00:42:12.000 That's where I'm going with this.

00:42:13.000 I'm going to smoke a cigarette every day.

00:42:14.000 That's funny.

00:42:17.000 That pack there, they went to two different trees and they removed compounds from the tree.

00:42:22.000 One was the bark and one was the fiber and they put it into a leaf pack and they cook it on a pan and they heat it and it makes this plant poultice and they put this boiling hot piece of plant material.

00:42:33.000 It's like a fish cake and they put it against the wound and even that burned but it felt better than the venom and it starts to suck out the venom.

00:42:42.000 And so when they took it off my foot after like, this is them getting the getting the plant material, they know the medicines and that's been handed down through the generations.

00:42:51.000 So they're just shaving it off with a knife.

00:42:53.000 Yes, you see this few different colors.

00:42:54.000 They're going to make a cake of all this stuff.

00:42:56.000 Uh-huh.

00:42:57.000 And then they heat that up until it's scalding, press it against your foot.

00:42:57.000 Wow.

00:43:01.000 You've been in the Amazon for a long time.

00:43:03.000 This is the first time it's ever happened to you you've been stung by a stingray?

00:43:06.000 This is the first time.

00:43:07.000 Now, how does it happen?

00:43:08.000 You just step in the wrong place?

00:43:10.000 JJ's nephew, so he knows he's got the indigenous training.

00:43:13.000 He knew exactly what to do.

00:43:15.000 Wow.

00:43:16.000 Yeah, and so that's all the venom.

00:43:17.000 So now all that black stuff is all the denatured blood that came out of my foot.

00:43:24.000 And so for about four hours, I was in this state of just level 10 pain, just white-hot pain.

00:43:28.000 I couldn't talk to anybody.

00:43:30.000 I couldn't do anything.

00:43:30.000 People were coming to me and they were like, what can we do?

00:43:32.000 And I was like, just leave me alone.

00:43:34.000 I was like, I don't want you to look at my face.

00:43:36.000 You know, I was coming in and out.

00:43:37.000 And then by nighttime, it had gotten.

00:43:41.000 This was at night where I was like, okay, the pain had subsided, but I didn't get nerve damage and I didn't get a huge infection because they had this indigenous plant medicine to save me.

00:43:50.000 Wow.

00:43:51.000 The last guy that I knew that got it, he'd went straight to the hospital and they'd had no idea how to deal with it.

00:43:55.000 The locals know how to deal with this stuff.

00:43:58.000 Wow.

00:43:58.000 Look at that.

00:43:59.000 That's crazy.

00:44:00.000 That's tree medicine.

00:44:01.000 That's crazy.

00:44:02.000 So what happens?

00:44:04.000 You just stepped in the wrong spot?

00:44:05.000 That's all it is?

00:44:06.000 I mean, I've stepped on stingrays before and you feel them flutter.

00:44:09.000 And I one time I even felt the barb go like past my foot, but it didn't penetrate.

00:44:14.000 I do not know how.

00:44:15.000 I mean, it must have been a small one or something, but it just right up through the through the arch of my foot.

00:44:21.000 And what's funny is that just I would never walk barefoot ever.

00:44:24.000 Well, I walk barefoot all the time, but but but just days before, not days before that, about a month before that, I'd fallen off of something like a 50 or 60 foot cliff and just rolled down and bruised ribs and gotten all banged up.

00:44:36.000 I'd climbed up this cliff thinking I could, I was like, oh, I see this root up there.

00:44:40.000 I can get up to the top.

00:44:41.000 And at the top, my strength just ran out.

00:44:44.000 And my feet were pedaling and I had no footholds.

00:44:46.000 And I just went tumbling down this thing.

00:44:48.000 And I just went, you know what?

00:44:50.000 I said, I've had infections.

00:44:51.000 I've had crocodile bites.

00:44:53.000 I've had dengue.

00:44:54.000 I said, I got a week left in the Amazon.

00:44:56.000 I'd been in the Amazon for six months.

00:44:58.000 And I was like, I'm doing nothing dangerous.

00:45:00.000 No tree climbing, no anaconda hunting, no crock diving, none of that stuff.

00:45:04.000 And I was just swimming in a waterfall.

00:45:06.000 Bam.

00:45:08.000 Just put me out of the game.

00:45:10.000 That was actually in April.

00:45:11.000 I waited to post it until now, but everyone's messaging me going, How's your foot?

00:45:15.000 And I'm like, it was months ago, but I was like, it is better.

00:45:18.000 How long did it take before it was better?

00:45:20.000 Honestly, two days.

00:45:21.000 I was on my feet in two days.

00:45:22.000 It was fine.

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:23.000 And if you went to the hospital, I did not go to the hospital.

00:45:26.000 But if you did go to the hospital, I mean, the guy that went to the hospital didn't walk for two months, had the necrosis, and had a huge infection that he had to go get treatments for.

00:45:37.000 I mean, he went back to his home country and had to continue being treated for months.

00:45:41.000 I felt terrible.

00:45:42.000 And him, too, watching someone roll back and forth in that type of agonizing pain, like brave heart pain, like when they're just like opening him up.

00:45:51.000 I mean, I just didn't know there was pain like that.

00:45:53.000 You know, I mean, I've ripped open every part of my body and this was, it's from the inside and it's pulsating.

00:46:00.000 And you just go, the other thing is, you go, how much, how much of my year did I just miss?

00:46:05.000 You know, am I going to, it's like the one time I almost chopped my knee.

00:46:09.000 I almost cut the tendon that holds your kneecap on.

00:46:11.000 And I was just like, man, did I just take myself out of the game for a year?

00:46:15.000 You know, just like, come on.

00:46:16.000 And so when that happened, I was like, this is going to be so bad.

00:46:20.000 And meanwhile, a couple days later, you walk around because the local guys know.

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:24.000 Wow.

00:46:25.000 That was.

00:46:26.000 Did you ask them how they know this stuff?

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:29.000 Their father taught them and their mother taught them and their grandparents know.

00:46:34.000 And so that's the thing with knowledge, indigenous knowledge all over the world.

00:46:39.000 If you listen to authors like Wade Davis, who writes a lot about indigenous wisdom, you know, this is stuff that's been one at a time gleaned from nature.

00:46:47.000 And, you know, you, you know, better than most.

00:46:50.000 You know, you're living out there.

00:46:52.000 Who's the first person that figured out ayahuasca?

00:46:54.000 You know, if we take this and this, we take this vine and then we take this and we boil them together.

00:46:59.000 How many trials and errors?

00:47:00.000 How many dead guys were there before one worked?

00:47:02.000 Right.

00:47:03.000 And what was the motivation?

00:47:04.000 And what was the motivation?

00:47:06.000 They said the jungle taught them how to do it.

00:47:08.000 They did.

00:47:09.000 The prevailing thing is that science and sort of like the statistics of trial and error are incomprehensible given 40,000 plant species and all the different flowering and orchids and trees.

00:47:22.000 And so it would take millennia if you did trial and error.

00:47:26.000 Yeah.

00:47:27.000 And the cost of human life to any civilization would make it too high.

00:47:30.000 And so when they say that the gods gave us ayahuasca, that's the prevailing best thing we got, is that it's a link between our world and the spirit world that the jungle gave us.

00:47:42.000 Right.

00:47:42.000 And the other thing is like how much of our senses have atrophied by modern civilization.

00:47:50.000 Like what kind of communication do you actually get from the forest?

00:47:55.000 Like is there instincts, intuition?

00:47:59.000 Are there senses?

00:48:00.000 Is there a feeling that you get where you get an understanding of combining two things because the jungle's actually got a way of communicating with you that's a non-verbal way?

00:48:10.000 I think the jungle, I mean, I view it as almost a, you know, it's like it's godlike.

00:48:15.000 It's almost like a giant, complex, sentient being.

00:48:19.000 And so if you listen to, if you watch, you know, if you walk the jungle with JJ, an indigenous tracker, he'll tell you, you listen to the birds, they'll tell you how fast you're allowed to walk.

00:48:29.000 What?

00:48:30.000 And what he means is you're walking through the forest on a sunny day, it's the afternoon, and everybody's chirping and making tons of noise.

00:48:36.000 And all of a sudden, everything goes quiet.

00:48:39.000 And then you got to figure out, you know, is that because there's a weather system coming in and we're about to be in a thunderstorm?

00:48:44.000 Or is there a jaguar right over there and everything around me knows?

00:48:48.000 And it's like the birds are the messengers of the forest.

00:48:51.000 And so even that, you start to become attuned to the frequency of the forest.

00:48:55.000 And I notice when I bring people in that, you know, I've never been in the wild before, they walk loud, they're talking the whole time.

00:49:02.000 They're not paying attention to that sort of holistic view of where you are.

00:49:07.000 You know, modern civilized life has made us so clunky when it comes to the woods.

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 You know, just when I take people in the woods, if people have never hunted before, they're stepping on branches, snap, snap, kicking rocks over, talking loud.

00:49:23.000 My favorite is walking in front of you, and then when the stick snaps back, like having the sensitivity to like, they don't catch it.

00:49:29.000 Like, come on.

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 Just get smacked in the face.

00:49:31.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 Thanks.

00:49:32.000 Well, it's just a lack of awareness.

00:49:34.000 You know, it's like if you've never been, you don't understand.

00:49:37.000 But I mean, I would imagine it's that times a million in the Amazon.

00:49:41.000 And then all the different things that are communicating.

00:49:44.000 One of the things that they found out with monkeys is that monkeys have some sort of a language where they can say a sound that means an eagle is there.

00:49:56.000 Yes.

00:49:56.000 And that they will play tricks on other monkeys so that they can get to fruit.

00:50:00.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 So they will say that an eagle is there when an eagle's not there, and then they'll go and steal the fruit.

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 So they will lie about an eagle being there.

00:50:11.000 Get access to fruit.

00:50:12.000 Lying monkeys does not surprise me.

00:50:14.000 It's African vervet monkeys that I've read about that they have different calls, different words for land predator, lion, eagle, and they can communicate these things.

00:50:25.000 So, I mean, they're speaking.

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:27.000 They're speaking.

00:50:27.000 As are crows, I'm sure.

00:50:29.000 Oh, God, yes.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, I mean, they're super intelligent.

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 Oh, I don't know how we pull this up.

00:50:34.000 I have it on YouTube, but there was this thing where we were coming downriver.

00:50:38.000 It was like seven in the morning.

00:50:39.000 We've been up at our, this is a communication with monkeys theme.

00:50:43.000 As we're coming downriver, it's like seven in the morning, and I'm always cold.

00:50:46.000 So I'm sitting on the boat and I'm cold.

00:50:47.000 I'm just like listening to music or something.

00:50:49.000 And JJ's like, look, look, look.

00:50:51.000 He's like, there's a spider monkey in the river.

00:50:53.000 And I was like, there's always, you know, spider monkeys cross rivers.

00:50:56.000 That's okay.

00:50:56.000 And he's like, no, no, no, the river's high right now.

00:50:58.000 And there's all these whirlpools and currents.

00:51:00.000 And so, yeah, I jump into the river.

00:51:03.000 To save the monkeys.

00:51:04.000 To save the monkey.

00:51:05.000 She couldn't get to the side. 0.92

00:51:06.000 So I give her my paddle and she looks at me and she goes, no.

00:51:09.000 She's like, I'm scared of you.

00:51:10.000 And then I spoke to her in Spider Monkey.

00:51:12.000 What did you say?

00:51:15.000 Like that.

00:51:16.000 She thinks you're going to eat her. 1.00

00:51:17.000 She thinks I'm going to eat her. 0.96

00:51:17.000 But as soon as I started going, look, look. 0.96

00:51:20.000 She's looking at me because I'm making the sound.

00:51:22.000 And all of a sudden, she goes, Wait, wait, wait.

00:51:24.000 You, you speak me language.

00:51:26.000 Whoa.

00:51:27.000 And then do it like you would do it.

00:51:31.000 See, I'm making it right there.

00:51:32.000 And she's looking at me.

00:51:33.000 You're talking right to her.

00:51:34.000 No, And then I'm like, look, it's okay.

00:51:37.000 And they like their tail to be supported.

00:51:39.000 Wow, that's crazy, dude.

00:51:41.000 She let you hold on to her.

00:51:42.000 And so now she's relaxed.

00:51:44.000 That's crazy, dude.

00:51:46.000 You saved a monkey.

00:51:48.000 Only because I spoke her language.

00:51:49.000 And I learned her language from some of the orphans that I've rescued.

00:51:52.000 That's crazy, man.

00:51:53.000 And then she was like, well, if you let because I could have grabbed her like, you know, like animal control, like grabbed her by the neck. 0.99

00:51:57.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:51:58.000 Look, she's looking at me because I keep talking to her.

00:52:00.000 And then you got her over to the shore.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, got her over to the side. 1.00

00:52:04.000 And she kept looking at me like, what is what?

00:52:07.000 What happened when you put her down?

00:52:08.000 Didn't put her down.

00:52:09.000 She ran away. 0.97

00:52:09.000 She just ran away. 0.97

00:52:10.000 Yeah, but not fast.

00:52:13.000 She didn't run away like she was in terror.

00:52:15.000 Yeah.

00:52:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:17.000 When I first did it, I went, and she looked at me and she went, she looked at me and she responded.

00:52:23.000 She was like, what?

00:52:24.000 That's good.

00:52:25.000 You speak it.

00:52:26.000 That's crazy.

00:52:27.000 It was why.

00:52:28.000 And that's one of those stories where if it wasn't on video, and I said, I spoke to a spider monkey and she responded, people go, yeah, bullshit.

00:52:34.000 I saved a spider monkey.

00:52:34.000 Right.

00:52:35.000 Like, bitch, that was your pet. 1.00

00:52:36.000 Yeah.

00:52:37.000 That looked like a pet. 0.80

00:52:38.000 That looked like you had a relationship with it.

00:52:40.000 Like as you're holding on to the tail, like it knew you.

00:52:42.000 When she was looking back, I mean, she was like, hey, thanks for the branch.

00:52:45.000 You know, I was, she, because she was drowning.

00:52:47.000 We saw her head go under a few times.

00:52:50.000 She was really struggling.

00:52:51.000 She was exhausted.

00:52:52.000 And I know that the spider monkey, their tail is their fifth limb.

00:52:56.000 They have this incredible finger pad that's like 12 inches long.

00:52:59.000 And so it just wraps.

00:53:01.000 They always had their tail anchored on a branch.

00:53:05.000 And so I held her tail and I was like, I got you.

00:53:08.000 Now hold on to the stick.

00:53:09.000 I was like explaining it to her.

00:53:12.000 And she's looking at me going, How the hell are you?

00:53:15.000 That is so wild.

00:53:17.000 It was really cool.

00:53:18.000 That was a I originally was like, JJ, I was like, I don't want to get wet.

00:53:21.000 He was like, go get it.

00:53:21.000 She'll be fine.

00:53:22.000 Go catch it.

00:53:23.000 It's like, okay.

00:53:24.000 Wow.

00:53:25.000 You've always eaten Spider Monkey, haven't you?

00:53:27.000 Well, sure.

00:53:30.000 That doesn't mean I don't want to save him.

00:53:32.000 Right.

00:53:33.000 I would save a deer.

00:53:35.000 A big deer.

00:53:36.000 But does it feel it must feel really weird eating a primate?

00:53:41.000 I wish I could say it did.

00:53:43.000 I don't care.

00:53:43.000 Really?

00:53:44.000 No.

00:53:44.000 I mean, we've become very callous to certain things.

00:53:47.000 But I mean, when people serve turtle now, I'm like, well, which one is it?

00:53:50.000 You know, it's like, I don't, I don't really, you know, it's like ribeye or T-bone.

00:53:54.000 Like, what are we, what are we eating?

00:53:55.000 Is turtle good?

00:53:56.000 Like, would you like order it at a restaurant?

00:53:57.000 All right.

00:53:58.000 So the problem is that the way they, the way they cook it down there, these are people that live hand to mouth, right?

00:54:05.000 And so when they cook a turtle, if you get salt, you're lucky.

00:54:09.000 It's not like they're sprinkling some cilantro on it and like marinating it.

00:54:13.000 It's, you know, so if you just like took a chicken and threw it on a fire and then like ate a piece of it, it's not great.

00:54:19.000 And so a lot of times that you eat this food way out there in the bush.

00:54:24.000 I mean, I've been there where they've shot a spider monkey, grilled it up, and I've been like, you know, I'll just eat rice.

00:54:29.000 And then I'm like, I'm going to be, I'm going to be tired tomorrow.

00:54:31.000 There's no protein.

00:54:32.000 I haven't had protein in a week.

00:54:33.000 And I'm like, give me an arm.

00:54:35.000 You know, you just like eat the hand.

00:54:38.000 Like, all right.

00:54:39.000 And it just tastes awful.

00:54:40.000 Just tastes like.

00:54:41.000 My friend Steve Renella, he was in the Amazon with the Yanomame. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:45.000 And he said that that's their preferred food.

00:54:47.000 That they like that above everything.

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 Yeah.

00:54:50.000 And I, but, and I see no, I see no conflict between, you know, we're trying to protect the ecosystem and save the monkeys.

00:54:57.000 And I love the monkeys and I've rescued a lot of them personally.

00:55:00.000 But again, when you're when you're in Rome, you know, if you don't eat with them, they go, that gringo, you know, they think that they're, yeah. 1.00

00:55:07.000 Whereas they're like, oh, you're one of us.

00:55:09.000 Right, you have to.

00:55:10.000 And you show them you know how.

00:55:12.000 You know, little things or rivers.

00:55:14.000 It must be chewy as fuck, right?

00:55:15.000 No, it's kind of smooth.

00:55:17.000 It's kind of like, if it's well cooked, it's kind of like mutton.

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00:55:59.000 That's gamey.

00:56:00.000 So you have to slow cook it, long cook it.

00:56:02.000 Is that what it is?

00:56:03.000 Ideally, yes, but a lot of times it's just they tie it to a cross like it's little monkey Jesus and they throw it on the fire.

00:56:10.000 Yeah, when I saw them cook it, they singed the outside, they singed all the hair off and then they cooked it.

00:56:17.000 I think they cooked it inside bananas.

00:56:19.000 See if you can find Steve Ronella eats a monkey.

00:56:27.000 I think they and then they boiled some of it in like a soup.

00:56:32.000 I don't enjoy boiled meat.

00:56:34.000 I'm never excited by boiled meat.

00:56:36.000 But stew, right?

00:56:37.000 Isn't stewy.

00:56:38.000 Barley stew is good.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, I mean if you if you sear it first and then you I mean it's kind of if you sear it first yeah right because like just boiled chicken to me just like you think of white like just eating it. 0.84

00:56:50.000 Yeah so here he's just eating yeah see like they're like having a really good time.

00:56:54.000 Yeah initially he was like I'm not doing that and then once they started doing it was like okay he said it's it tasted like smoked turkey.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:03.000 My boy Giannis.

00:57:04.000 Yeah it is it's interesting because if you live there like my friend David Cho, he was in Africa and he hunted with the Hadza and they eat baboons. 1.00

00:57:16.000 And he said one of the craziest things is when you hit the baboon with an arrow, they grab it like a person.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 Like if a person goes shot with an arrow and he's like, dude, it's fucked.

00:57:26.000 Yikes.

00:57:27.000 Yeah, but that's what they eat.

00:57:29.000 They don't have a lot of food.

00:57:31.000 And, you know, it's like you were saying also, they don't have a sense of wildlife conservation.

00:57:37.000 It's not like, hey, we have an accurate assessment of how many baboons are here or how many deer are here or dikers or whatever the animal is that they're hunting. 0.99

00:57:46.000 They just eat whatever they can and sometimes they eat them almost to extinction and then they have to move on to baboons. 1.00

00:57:51.000 And baboons were like the only thing that was left. 1.00

00:57:53.000 And then there's also like other people have encroached and settlements and, you know.

00:57:58.000 That's the way my guys, because we have a lot of wildlife in our region.

00:58:02.000 And people from other regions will come as laggers and they'll go, oh my God, my dad told me that it used to be like this where we were. 0.99

00:58:09.000 And now we have people from other watersheds in the Amazon, like, you know, 150 miles away coming to us and they're going, can you guys bring jungle keepers over? 0.74

00:58:17.000 And they don't understand, you know, we're killing ourselves just to protect this river.

00:58:20.000 And they're going, can you do this where we are?

00:58:22.000 They're like, we have no more food because they don't have any regulation on this.

00:58:26.000 And so what we're doing with the tribes in our area is just teaching this basic thing of like, you know, don't hunt, you know, at these times of year when they're having their babies.

00:58:35.000 Don't overhunt.

00:58:35.000 Right.

00:58:37.000 Monitor how many monkeys you're bringing into the, into the, into the village.

00:58:41.000 And so we're trying to develop this with them where if you're going to keep eating monkeys, do it in a way that they keep being monkeys.

00:58:46.000 Especially once they've gotten firearms.

00:58:49.000 Especially once they've gotten firearms.

00:58:51.000 One of the older guys said to me, he goes, man, it's so sad.

00:58:54.000 He goes, we grew up, he goes, you could just pull fish out of the river and there was monkeys in the trees and there was turtles.

00:58:59.000 He goes, you could eat whatever you wanted out of the forest.

00:59:01.000 He goes, now he goes, we're eating sparrows.

00:59:04.000 And he was like, we've eaten everything down to the smallest birds.

00:59:07.000 He was like, it's just destroyed.

00:59:10.000 And it was, where he is is like something, it was like Cormac McCarthy's nightmare.

00:59:14.000 If Cormac McCarthy was still alive, I would show him the, I went to a part of the Amazon that really no one goes to, up this horrible river.

00:59:24.000 And there were recently contacted, uncontacted people, just this tribe that had just come out of the forest and they still had their bows.

00:59:33.000 And they had no idea.

00:59:34.000 Me and JJ went for like a three-week expedition, plane to plane to plane to three days on a boat to two days on a boat to finally reaching this last settlement.

00:59:43.000 And the missionaries had pulled this tribe out of the forest.

00:59:47.000 They'd tricked them.

00:59:48.000 They said, just come with us for a ride.

00:59:50.000 But then they said, well, if you want to go back, you've got to pay for your gasoline.

00:59:50.000 Pulled him out.

00:59:53.000 And the tribe was like, well, how do we pay with what?

00:59:56.000 And they were like, money.

00:59:57.000 And the tribe was like, what's that?

00:59:58.000 And where do we get it?

00:59:59.000 And so these little people were standing.

01:00:00.000 These were not tall people like the Mashkapiro. 1.00

01:00:02.000 These were little tiny people.

01:00:04.000 And they were standing there with their bows.

01:00:06.000 And so we showed up with our tents and our gear.

01:00:08.000 And we were trying to go up this river in our boat.

01:00:10.000 And these little people came up to us and they were like, they were making the gesture for food.

01:00:15.000 And so there's some loggers over there.

01:00:17.000 And so JJ just didn't think.

01:00:20.000 And he was like, you want some food?

01:00:21.000 You got to go pay for it.

01:00:22.000 He was like, money.

01:00:23.000 And, you know, he's through a guy.

01:00:24.000 He was translating.

01:00:25.000 And these people are going, but we don't have any money.

01:00:27.000 And JJ took some coins out of his pocket and was like, just go buy some bread.

01:00:30.000 And he gave him some coins.

01:00:31.000 And they went and they tried it.

01:00:32.000 And they got some bread.

01:00:34.000 And then all of a sudden, there's 50 of them coming at us.

01:00:38.000 And they were surrounding JJ and they were grabbing at him.

01:00:40.000 And they were like, he's the guy with these tokens that allow us to eat.

01:00:43.000 And we had to get out of there because it was causing a problem.

01:00:46.000 Oh, wow.

01:00:47.000 But I mean, these people think they're with their bows and arrows and there's no more animals to hunt and no one's going to give them money.

01:00:54.000 And they live at the edge of the world.

01:00:55.000 And they're probably tiny because they don't have any protein.

01:00:58.000 Wow.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 It was horrifying.

01:01:00.000 It was one of the worst things I've ever.

01:01:01.000 I've seen poverty all over the world.

01:01:03.000 This was, again, a hunter-gatherer tribe with no food.

01:01:09.000 With no food and no way of getting back to forest where they could be a hunter-gatherer tribe.

01:01:13.000 Now they were in this wasteland where the loggers and the gold miners and the oil companies, there was even a barge with oil.

01:01:20.000 And it was like, this is where the Amazon is being eaten.

01:01:23.000 And it was out of sight.

01:01:24.000 You have to go for days just to get there.

01:01:26.000 There's no foreigners there. 1.00

01:01:27.000 Actually, they did say, we were talking to one logger, and he said, a few years ago, he goes, we saw some rafts coming downriver, and then they stopped at this beach upriver and they made camp.

01:01:39.000 And he's like, so we all talked about it.

01:01:41.000 And we said, well, we have a feeling they're organ harvesters.

01:01:44.000 And they were scared of these incomers, right? 1.00

01:01:48.000 So the organ harvesters visit the Amazon?

01:01:51.000 And so, but that's what they were.

01:01:51.000 No.

01:01:53.000 They're sitting around the campfire and someone was like, what if they're organ harvesters?

01:01:56.000 Why would they think that?

01:01:57.000 don't know that must be a thing that gets i don't know but But the dude I was sitting with told me, he goes, you know, we got real scared sitting around the campfire.

01:02:07.000 Everyone was telling these stories.

01:02:08.000 And he's like, so we figured the safest thing would be to go kill them.

01:02:12.000 So they went and they killed them.

01:02:14.000 And they were a couple of European hikers on a mega expedition in the Amazon.

01:02:19.000 And they just got murdered by the locals preemptively in case they were dangerous.

01:02:23.000 And this dude was like, yeah, we fucked up.

01:02:26.000 And I'm talking to him.

01:02:26.000 Oh, man.

01:02:27.000 I was like, so who did the killing?

01:02:31.000 I was like, shit, man.

01:02:33.000 But I mean, this place was dark.

01:02:37.000 And the next book I write, I'm going to have to do a deep dive into this one because it was just, it was heavy.

01:02:44.000 And we also, we knew we, for the first time, you know, when you're in the jungle, we're like, we're safe.

01:02:48.000 This place, it was like people are looking at you and they're like, that's a jacket and a watch, you know, like a camera and a tent and a pack raft.

01:02:55.000 They're like, you, like, if we killed him, we'd get all kinds of stuff.

01:02:58.000 They're looking at you like, man, that's a, that's a lot of opportunity.

01:03:01.000 And you could just see them being like, well, let's separate him from the herd.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, it was rough.

01:03:06.000 It's like you think the cowboy days, like when it was really wild, like Blood Meridian.

01:03:11.000 Well, not only that, but there's probably a ton of stories about people that have come down and done horrible things.

01:03:16.000 So it's not like you're thinking, like, these are wonderful people that come to give us plantains.

01:03:20.000 No.

01:03:20.000 No, you're thinking, these are the type of people that would do horrible things to us.

01:03:25.000 So we have an opportunity to get something from them.

01:03:28.000 And pure desperation.

01:03:29.000 Pure desperation.

01:03:30.000 And so like the communities that I've worked with in my region of the Amazon, they're all, you know, you show, I've showed up on a pack raft and been like, hey, and they're like, where did you come from?

01:03:40.000 And I'm like, I'm just this foreigner who does work here.

01:03:43.000 And I talk to them and they're like, oh, camp here.

01:03:45.000 You'll be safe.

01:03:46.000 They're really nice.

01:03:47.000 They're caring.

01:03:48.000 They're families.

01:03:49.000 This place that we were at was this outpost and it was all extractors.

01:03:53.000 It was all gold miners, petroleum people, loggers. 0.99

01:03:57.000 And it was like all the men who were in the dark bit, the black market people were all in the same place. 0.98

01:04:03.000 So there was like a brothel. 1.00

01:04:04.000 There was these displaced natives.

01:04:07.000 And then there was like this one really scary missionary.

01:04:10.000 This man looked insane.

01:04:11.000 He had crazy eyes and he wouldn't come anywhere near us.

01:04:14.000 From where?

01:04:15.000 Where is he from?

01:04:16.000 I couldn't tell where he was from, but he was dressed in the robes.

01:04:19.000 It was like the mission, except he was evil.

01:04:22.000 Like you could tell he looked at us and just vanished.

01:04:26.000 And he had this little settlement that he had cleared and he was bringing his children in and pulling them out of the forest.

01:04:33.000 He looked like a white guy.

01:04:34.000 But it was hard to tell.

01:04:37.000 He looked like Grasputen.

01:04:38.000 Oh, wow.

01:04:39.000 And these poor people are sitting there and you could see them like they were all like breastfeeding their babies and like trying to eat rats. 1.00

01:04:46.000 And it was just, we stayed there for one night and we didn't sleep.

01:04:49.000 We slept back to back.

01:04:51.000 We were just in our tent, just awake all night.

01:04:53.000 And then the next day we got in the boat and we kept going further upriver and we finally made it into the into past the edge of human civilization into into just uncharted jungle.

01:05:02.000 But it was really dark.

01:05:04.000 And so at least where we are, it's like we're working with these tribes to make their lives better, to educate them.

01:05:11.000 And there's this feeling, this is good feeling.

01:05:13.000 We have jungle keeper shirts.

01:05:14.000 I mean, now we're on the river and we see jungle keepers boats going by. 1.00

01:05:18.000 We had gold miners just a few weeks ago.

01:05:21.000 We had gold miners.

01:05:22.000 Everyone, the whole team was calling each other.

01:05:25.000 We sent our ranger team out there.

01:05:26.000 We brought the police.

01:05:28.000 They arrested the gold miners.

01:05:29.000 They brought them to town.

01:05:30.000 They offered them jobs.

01:05:32.000 And they said, you just can't be doing that here.

01:05:33.000 And so they only cleared like half an acre of forest.

01:05:36.000 And then we got them.

01:05:37.000 So they didn't destroy anything.

01:05:38.000 And so that's how we're keeping it.

01:05:39.000 Someone hired them to mine gold, right?

01:05:41.000 And that's the thing.

01:05:42.000 No one hires them.

01:05:44.000 They get it in their head.

01:05:45.000 They go, you know, hey, to their cousin, they'll go, why don't we go make some money?

01:05:51.000 Let's go up there and see if there's gold.

01:05:53.000 And they'll launch a little expedition.

01:05:55.000 They'll bring like a 16-horsepower motor and go for three days and they'll sneak past us.

01:06:00.000 I mean, now the government's getting involved because we've been having this success.

01:06:03.000 We're going to get a park guard station on our river, so we're not going to have this problem.

01:06:07.000 But they'll go up the river and they'll just set up and they'll start panning and they'll go, I see this little flake here.

01:06:14.000 And they're like, cool, let's burn some forest and then we'll start sucking it up.

01:06:17.000 We'll run it through the big motor and they'll bring their wives and their kids and it's artisanal.

01:06:23.000 And so what they do is they get the gold and then they have to take it in their little boat back to the town.

01:06:28.000 And then here's the problem.

01:06:29.000 There's one store where you go to sell the gold.

01:06:32.000 And guess who's waiting outside that store?

01:06:34.000 The people that rob you at gunpoint and take your gold and then give it to the actual people.

01:06:39.000 And so it's really sad, artisanal gold mining.

01:06:42.000 They're not organized.

01:06:43.000 And it's the same with the narcos.

01:06:44.000 We've been having a problem with narcos.

01:06:46.000 And everyone's like, dude, you can't mess with the narcos.

01:06:49.000 Like, you're going to lose the fight.

01:06:50.000 And it's like, yeah, but these are people that are like, we're just going to grow a little bit.

01:06:56.000 And then they're growing.

01:06:57.000 Coca.

01:06:58.000 I mean, we busted, we helped the police bust a, we saw a clearing on deep, deep, deep, deep, way upriver, days upriver.

01:07:09.000 There was a clearing out in the jungle, and so we sent our rangers.

01:07:12.000 The rangers came back and were like, we can't deal with this.

01:07:14.000 There's something scary going on up there.

01:07:16.000 And so we told the police and the police were like, yeah, we'll try and get up there.

01:07:20.000 Now, at the same time, I'm with JJ one day, and we always do the same thing.

01:07:24.000 When there was a bad patch of deforestation along the river, we said, how the hell did this happen?

01:07:30.000 They did it so quick.

01:07:31.000 And so I put up the drone and I flew it over.

01:07:34.000 And I'm going, who are these people?

01:07:36.000 Are they loggers?

01:07:37.000 We're just trying to get a sense of what's going on.

01:07:39.000 Fly the drone down.

01:07:40.000 And usually when we see loggers, they'll run into these little palm-thatched huts.

01:07:44.000 They'll run into them to hide from the drone.

01:07:46.000 That's crazy.

01:07:48.000 They know what a drone is.

01:07:49.000 Well, these people came running out and they had guns.

01:07:53.000 And we had already, on the river, we had passed their settlement and flown the drone back.

01:07:58.000 Their boat came out after us.

01:08:00.000 And we started going.

01:08:01.000 And I was like, JJ, you could just talk to them like normal.

01:08:03.000 And he looked at me and he went, not this time.

01:08:07.000 And we had a 60 horsepower and they had a 40.

01:08:10.000 And we were just blazing ahead of them.

01:08:11.000 And I had the drone in the air.

01:08:13.000 And so this, you know, this fucking $5,000 drone.

01:08:16.000 And so I'm driving the drone and I was like, can we, can we like, I got to get this drone?

01:08:19.000 And they're like, JJ looked at me.

01:08:21.000 He's like, we're not stopping.

01:08:23.000 And it dawned on me that it was like, if we get caught, we're getting killed.

01:08:28.000 Oh, man.

01:08:29.000 Are you armed?

01:08:29.000 And we arrived at our...

01:08:30.000 At this point, nobody on the boat had a gun.

01:08:33.000 And so we arrived at a place where the police were camped out, where the guard, they had been dispatched to go check out that other site.

01:08:41.000 And so we arrived, and the police force that we work with was there.

01:08:44.000 And we pulled up and we're like, yo, we got bad guys coming in.

01:08:47.000 And they masked up, loaded up.

01:08:50.000 They got on our boat.

01:08:51.000 We turned around.

01:08:51.000 And then as soon as they saw us coming back at them, they left.

01:08:56.000 And then days later, they went to that same police force and assassinated one of the guys.

01:09:00.000 Oh, man.

01:09:02.000 So the narcos are different.

01:09:04.000 The narcos are scary.

01:09:06.000 And that clearing that we originally found, they were actually Pradeo's sacks of white powder.

01:09:11.000 The Peruvian military went in and actually raided that camp, arrested everybody.

01:09:15.000 It was so big that the American DEA knew about it.

01:09:18.000 They were notified.

01:09:20.000 And so this is now what's happening on this river, where it's because it's the last wilderness, they're coming.

01:09:26.000 And so we're trying to, you know, we're relying on the Peruvian authorities to stop this from happening so that we can create this park before it's too late because they're also blazing roads.

01:09:35.000 They're bringing in loggers.

01:09:36.000 They're smart.

01:09:37.000 They bring people and they'll send the loggers ahead of them.

01:09:40.000 And then when the loggers clear the land, they'll just start growing coca.

01:09:45.000 And so it's gotten scary.

01:09:47.000 I texted you when it was at its, when I first started having to travel with security.

01:09:53.000 I remember texting you because I was like, this is a different game.

01:09:57.000 It used to be like we're counting the butterflies and we're...

01:10:00.000 Yeah, you wanted to learn where to train.

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:04.000 Because it's scary walking around.

01:10:06.000 Well, the thing is, the police intercept off to one of the people that they arrested on the phone, it said, if you see JJ or that shithead gringo that flies the drone, they said, if you kill them, we'll reward you. 0.99

01:10:18.000 Oh, man.

01:10:19.000 So they found this message on WhatsApp.

01:10:21.000 They showed it to us and they were like, you guys have a hit on you.

01:10:25.000 And then a few days later, JJ was supposed to get in the car at the side of, you know, you take the boat downriver to the car and he was supposed to get in the car and go back to the town.

01:10:35.000 He actually came downriver in the boat and they went, I forgot, I forgot that I wanted to finish up something at the station.

01:10:41.000 Take me back.

01:10:42.000 He went back to the station.

01:10:43.000 So our driver, Percy, started driving back along this little dirt logging road by himself.

01:10:49.000 And they had trees across the road.

01:10:52.000 Masked guys with guns.

01:10:53.000 They put the guns in the windows.

01:10:54.000 They pulled him out and our windows are tinted.

01:10:57.000 And they said, take JJ and Paul out.

01:10:59.000 They were going to do it.

01:11:02.000 And so it just so happened that JJ wasn't in the car.

01:11:06.000 Just by pure luck, he was not in the car that day.

01:11:11.000 And they roughed up our driver.

01:11:12.000 They took his driver's license.

01:11:15.000 They took his cell phone.

01:11:17.000 And they just said, just let them know.

01:11:18.000 We missed him today, but we'll get him soon.

01:11:20.000 Oh, man.

01:11:22.000 And so we went, of course, we went to the police and we're like, look, we're going to need a lot more protection.

01:11:26.000 They're like, it's getting, I mean, we're just trying to save the rainforest, man.

01:11:30.000 Like, we're not trying to.

01:11:32.000 And these people are going, well, we're just trying to grow drugs.

01:11:35.000 And we want to do that where there's no police.

01:11:38.000 And the wilderness is only the wilderness is becoming a finite thing now.

01:11:42.000 So it's becoming this battleground.

01:11:45.000 Jamie, on there is a map.

01:11:46.000 I'm wondering if you could pull up the map because I could explain this.

01:11:49.000 What's the status of this right now?

01:11:51.000 Are they still after you guys?

01:11:53.000 They are still after us, but it's been for about eight months.

01:11:57.000 It was really bad.

01:11:59.000 It was really scary.

01:12:00.000 It was horrible.

01:12:01.000 Like every day, anytime JJ called me, I'd have a panic attack.

01:12:05.000 But you see, the yellow on the right is the Trans-Amazon Highway.

01:12:09.000 That's the big, that's the big artery.

01:12:11.000 That's what the Chinese in Brazil built. 1.00

01:12:13.000 But then that smaller thing going up, that's the roads that the loggers and the narcos are making.

01:12:20.000 And so that big red arrow, they're trying to make a road that goes in through there.

01:12:24.000 And so the white line outlines what we're trying to protect.

01:12:28.000 And that light greenish blue is the area that we have protected.

01:12:31.000 That's that 130,000 acres that we have protected.

01:12:35.000 And so that's what we're doing right now.

01:12:37.000 It's a race against time.

01:12:38.000 If we can fill in that area, if we can fill that whole thing in, we save the land.

01:12:43.000 And once it's ours, once it's under jungle keepers' protection, it's indigenous protected. 0.62

01:12:47.000 All right, we're back.

01:12:49.000 So where are they growing the drugs in this map?

01:12:52.000 So right at the upper tip of that arrow, sort of the outside, they had cut a little road filament into there.

01:12:59.000 And again, these little tiny trail roads, they go under the forest.

01:13:02.000 The forest is 160 feet tall.

01:13:04.000 Is there a way you can communicate with these guys saying you're not trying to stop this?

01:13:08.000 I mean, right now, what we're doing is putting signs on all of these little tiny.

01:13:12.000 I mean, these are jungle roads where just to go on the road.

01:13:15.000 You're going out to where, you know, if anybody finds you out there, they'll just kill you.

01:13:19.000 And your body will be decomposed and recycled within 48 hours by the jungle.

01:13:23.000 So you're past where there's police.

01:13:26.000 This is just Earth.

01:13:27.000 It's the Wild West.

01:13:29.000 More than the Wild West, right?

01:13:30.000 Because the Wild West was never this dense.

01:13:33.000 Well, it's the Wild West and you can't see 10 feet in front of you.

01:13:36.000 Right.

01:13:36.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:13:37.000 This is more wild than the Wild West.

01:13:39.000 I guess so.

01:13:40.000 You still have, you have, you have Indians with arrows, and now you have these narcos that are that are straight up evil that are coming.

01:13:46.000 I mean, they're taking girls from indigenous communities to work in their brothels. 1.00

01:13:51.000 They're growing cocaine.

01:13:52.000 They're awful up there.

01:13:53.000 You've got men working out in the jungle.

01:13:55.000 And so they go to the communities and they tell them, hey, your daughter is very pretty.

01:13:59.000 She'd be a great waitress. 0.59

01:14:00.000 You know, we can educate her while she trains and helps people.

01:14:03.000 And then they never see him again.

01:14:06.000 And so it's all that darkness.

01:14:08.000 And at the same time, what we're doing is bettering the lives of the community, making friends with these people.

01:14:14.000 We have these amazing rangers.

01:14:16.000 And I mean, we have different ranger stations along the river.

01:14:18.000 And if we make this into a park, like Teddy Roosevelt, no, John Muir took Teddy Roosevelt on a three-day camping trip and showed him Yosemite and like Sequoia and all this stuff.

01:14:28.000 And he was like, we got to protect this.

01:14:29.000 Like, it's special here.

01:14:31.000 Look at the size of these trees.

01:14:32.000 Look at the beauty of this valley.

01:14:34.000 And then they protected it.

01:14:35.000 There's nothing as wild as this river on earth today.

01:14:39.000 And so if we protect this now, the 200 indigenous people that live on this river get protected from the narcos.

01:14:47.000 They continue having abundant fish and resources.

01:14:50.000 And then they'll work as park guards and educators and chefs and boat drivers to maintain this gigantic protected area.

01:14:57.000 And then Peru will have this crown jewel of the Amazon.

01:15:01.000 So they love it.

01:15:02.000 But how can you protect them from the narcos?

01:15:04.000 I mean, I think the amount of money that's involved in trafficking cocaine would make it a real problem.

01:15:11.000 But the good thing is that these are the little artisanal ones.

01:15:14.000 These are the guys that go, these are not like mafia bosses.

01:15:17.000 This isn't like the Mexican cartel.

01:15:18.000 These are like these little clans of people that go, you know what?

01:15:21.000 We could just grow some cocaine and then we'll sell it to the big guys. 0.97

01:15:25.000 And so they're just, they're like mom and pop cocaine growers.

01:15:30.000 But they're also murderers.

01:15:31.000 Well, of course.

01:15:32.000 And so when the cops go out there, the cops just arrest them and take them straight to jail.

01:15:36.000 And so the cops have been supported.

01:15:38.000 Everyone assumes that Latin American police, no matter what, are going to be corrupt.

01:15:41.000 And like the police force we've been working with has been keeping us alive.

01:15:46.000 And they want this park protected as much as the indigenous people do.

01:15:50.000 It's amazing how many good people are out there.

01:15:53.000 They're actually helping.

01:15:55.000 And how many narco organizations, artisanal narco organizations are out there?

01:16:01.000 Peru has become, it's not great.

01:16:04.000 Peru, I think, has become, if not on the same level as Colombia, I think they might have surpassed Colombia in terms of cocaine production.

01:16:13.000 They're not doing great with that right now.

01:16:15.000 And so we're at this very, very crucial juncture there.

01:16:19.000 But, you know, it's funny because in doing all this, you know, with even with the book coming out, and I've been talking to people, and people go, well, you have narcos now.

01:16:27.000 They're like, so you're going to fail.

01:16:29.000 And it's like, man, you're not even the one on the ground.

01:16:31.000 Like, I'm the one on the ground.

01:16:32.000 I'm telling you, we're not going to fail.

01:16:34.000 And the police have been successful at clearing them out.

01:16:37.000 And it's getting better.

01:16:38.000 Just like the whole thing with, yeah, the Amazon's disappearing, but we can still stop it.

01:16:42.000 It's like, you got to, you think like before D-Day, if Churchill was like, I will probably lose.

01:16:47.000 Like, you can't have that mentality.

01:16:50.000 And so it's very, very encouraging seeing the local people stand up for what they believe in.

01:16:56.000 And the job is dangerous.

01:17:00.000 There's a video on there that I think it says Sandra Tree Crush.

01:17:03.000 But I got woke up a few weeks ago and one of my managers came running at like 3 a.m.

01:17:11.000 I see a flashlight coming through the jungle.

01:17:14.000 And so I'm thinking the worst.

01:17:16.000 And then he comes, he's going, Paul, he goes, a tree.

01:17:19.000 And I told you the last time I was on here, I said the most dangerous thing in the rainforest is the trees falling.

01:17:23.000 He said, a tree fell on the ranger station.

01:17:26.000 And it's raining.

01:17:27.000 And I'm talking about rain.

01:17:28.000 You know, when you're at the airport and you hear that sound where it's like, there's no sound louder.

01:17:31.000 Your ears can't handle it.

01:17:32.000 It was raining so loud.

01:17:34.000 And he's screaming into my ear that this tree fell on the ranger station.

01:17:37.000 He goes, and one of the rangers was crushed.

01:17:41.000 And I'm going, but dead or alive?

01:17:43.000 And he goes, we don't know yet.

01:17:45.000 And so it's 3 a.m. and we get in this boat and we're going upriver and there's lightning flashing and there's rain falling and I'm looking with the flashlight and I'm navigating by the crocodile eyes because we don't know where the edges of the river are because they shine.

01:17:59.000 And so we have footage of this and we arrive at the ranger station and sure enough, this tree had fallen, crushed the roof, all the beams and all the scaffolding under the roof and fallen on this woman's face while she was in bed.

01:18:13.000 And so she was crushed under this and she couldn't even scream because it was raining so loud.

01:18:17.000 And so we get there and I stick my hand into the rubble and I hold her hand and I'm like, are you okay?

01:18:24.000 And she was like, hey, Paul, she's like, I have no idea.

01:18:27.000 And she was amazingly like, like, buoyant.

01:18:30.000 She was like, I have no idea if I'm okay.

01:18:31.000 She's like, but I'm alive.

01:18:32.000 I was like, we're going to get you out of here.

01:18:33.000 And we started chainsawing, I mean, like 16 feet of tree debris over her and all this gnarled roof material. 0.99

01:18:39.000 And we had to pull her out of there and she had a scratch on her ankle. 0.98

01:18:42.000 Wow.

01:18:43.000 I've got this great video of her sitting in a hammock at like 6 a.m. 0.93

01:18:46.000 And she's smoking a cigarette.

01:18:47.000 And she's like, I'm alive.

01:18:49.000 She's going, I'm alive.

01:18:51.000 And she didn't quit.

01:18:52.000 She's still a ranger.

01:18:53.000 And it's like she's out there right now driving up and down because she wants that forest protected for her kids.

01:18:59.000 And it's like, these people care.

01:19:01.000 It sounds like the adventure of this is very addictive to you.

01:19:06.000 This is what I'm getting.

01:19:07.000 I think you love it.

01:19:09.000 I think you love the forest.

01:19:11.000 I think you love protecting it.

01:19:13.000 But I think there's something about the danger of it and the chaos and the wildness of it all.

01:19:19.000 That's that seems to me.

01:19:21.000 I'm looking in your eyes.

01:19:23.000 You're smiling because you know I'm right.

01:19:25.000 I know, yeah.

01:19:25.000 I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna deny that.

01:19:27.000 That's when I was a kid.

01:19:28.000 I remember sitting in school and being like, why did like you read about like Roosevelt and Jane Goodall and like these people had these amazingly adventurous lives.

01:19:37.000 And I was sitting in school getting detention after detention and getting yelled at and being like, can I go to the bathroom?

01:19:43.000 And I was like, why do they get to do that?

01:19:45.000 And I have to do this.

01:19:45.000 And then, like, you know, everyone around me was like, you know, when you get a job, then you're really going to love your desk.

01:19:50.000 One of my friends' moms said that to me.

01:19:51.000 She goes, you think, she goes, you think you hate your school desk?

01:19:54.000 She goes, wait till you get your real desk.

01:19:56.000 And I was like, oh, man.

01:19:58.000 And so, yeah, riding on the boat at 4 a.m. with the lightning is incredible.

01:20:04.000 Showering in the river.

01:20:05.000 You have to have crocodile eyes.

01:20:06.000 Yeah.

01:20:07.000 Man.

01:20:07.000 I mean, with the wind in your hair and the feel.

01:20:10.000 I mean, you know, the magic of the mountains.

01:20:13.000 And the jungle has its own vibe.

01:20:14.000 You watch that mist snarling up off the canopy.

01:20:17.000 And it's like, it's so wild that you just, you feel better.

01:20:22.000 You feel healthier.

01:20:23.000 And again, you know, that whole thing of what's that thing they say, like a sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace.

01:20:29.000 And it's like the beauty of that, you know, you drink from the river and then you sweat it out and you watch your sweat join the steam and rain back down onto the jungle.

01:20:38.000 You are connected to your environment.

01:20:40.000 And every single day, you don't know what's going to happen.

01:20:43.000 You know, I opened, there was one day where I was like, okay, I'm going to stay on the station.

01:20:49.000 I'm not going to do anything.

01:20:50.000 I've been hammering myself in the swamps for a week.

01:20:53.000 And I was like, I'm just going to drink coffee and like do office work on my computer.

01:20:57.000 And so I was like at the station.

01:20:58.000 And my team comes running.

01:20:59.000 They're like, Anaconda.

01:21:01.000 And I was like, where?

01:21:02.000 I was actually annoyed.

01:21:03.000 I was like, where?

01:21:04.000 How big of an anaconda?

01:21:05.000 And they're like, no, it's a pretty big anaconda.

01:21:07.000 As we go down to the thing, and sure enough, there's a big ass anaconda on a log, like 11 feet, you know, not a monster.

01:21:15.000 But so then I started doing this thing where I was like, because they were all like, be careful.

01:21:18.000 And I was like, of what?

01:21:20.000 And they're like, it could bite you.

01:21:21.000 And I was like, it's asleep.

01:21:23.000 I was like, she's just trying to get the sun.

01:21:25.000 So I started, I took out my phone.

01:21:26.000 I started doing this thing.

01:21:27.000 I was like, people are scared of snakes.

01:21:28.000 And I was like, I was like, if you're scared of snakes, I was like, there's an 11-foot anaconda.

01:21:32.000 I was like, do I appear to be in danger yet?

01:21:35.000 And then I kept getting closer and I was like, how about now?

01:21:37.000 How about now?

01:21:38.000 And then I was like, she's not waking up.

01:21:40.000 So I get on the log with her.

01:21:42.000 And the anaconda still doesn't get up. 0.93

01:21:44.000 And so I turned around and her coil is here and her head's like, you know, 10 feet over there.

01:21:50.000 And I just put my head on her.

01:21:52.000 Now I'm laying on the snake and I'm still taking a video and I'm going, see, this snake doesn't care that I'm here.

01:21:58.000 And even if she wakes up, you know what she's going to do?

01:22:00.000 She's going to jump in the water. 1.00

01:22:02.000 She's not going to bite me.

01:22:03.000 And she never woke up.

01:22:04.000 And I figured, you know what?

01:22:05.000 Why bother her?

01:22:07.000 She never woke up when you rested.

01:22:09.000 She woke up.

01:22:10.000 She moved her tongue, but she never freaked out.

01:22:14.000 Well, they're the king.

01:22:17.000 It sounds like they don't really have any natural predators, right?

01:22:21.000 When they're small, when they're smaller.

01:22:21.000 Do they?

01:22:23.000 Crocodiles, right?

01:22:24.000 The crocodiles, the herons, the piranha.

01:22:28.000 You forget that pelicans and herons can eat like a baby alligator.

01:22:32.000 They'll just throw it back.

01:22:33.000 Sure.

01:22:33.000 Just take it down their throat.

01:22:36.000 And the herons are crazy. 1.00

01:22:38.000 Herons are amazing hunters.

01:22:40.000 Pelicans are disgusting. 0.99

01:22:42.000 The way they'll take like a whole bullfrog and just glut it down.

01:22:45.000 So you know that thing's like alive in their chest.

01:22:48.000 Seen videos of them doing it to pigeons or seagulls.

01:22:51.000 Yes, the one where he swallows the seagull.

01:22:53.000 Hole.

01:22:54.000 And the seagull's like getting smaller as it goes down.

01:22:57.000 And you realize like that crazy mouth that they have is just so they can swallow things alive.

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:23:04.000 Yeah.

01:23:05.000 I mean, this weird-looking, funky thing.

01:23:06.000 You're like, oh, that's a monster.

01:23:08.000 That's a monster that just swallows things alive.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, you don't think of birds as savage as they are.

01:23:14.000 What are you laughing at, Jamie?

01:23:15.000 There's pictures of pelicans trying to eat shit on the screen.

01:23:17.000 I'm trying to eat a dog.

01:23:18.000 Oh, good.

01:23:20.000 Marshall.

01:23:20.000 Oh, come on.

01:23:22.000 Marshall.

01:23:24.000 He's trying to eat a kick.

01:23:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:23:26.000 Yeah, they basically can eat almost anything that's near their size.

01:23:32.000 That one just fly out. 0.68

01:23:32.000 Good lord. 0.68

01:23:35.000 It's too late.

01:23:35.000 Wow.

01:23:37.000 Oh, man.

01:23:38.000 Yeah, they're monsters.

01:23:39.000 They're trying to eat another.

01:23:40.000 God, that's that's I call bullshit on that one.

01:23:42.000 There's no way this pelican was trying to eat a bear.

01:23:45.000 I believe that, though.

01:23:46.000 I've seen that video.

01:23:47.000 What are those things?

01:23:47.000 Those are baby capybaras.

01:23:49.000 Capybaras, right?

01:23:50.000 Those are, they've.

01:23:53.000 Are those the things that have made their way into Louis?

01:23:56.000 No, it's a different animal that's made their way into like Louisiana and they have to go out and shoot them.

01:24:00.000 Havelinas. 0.96

01:24:01.000 No, It's a type of large rodent because David Tell used to have a TV show called Insomniac, and he went out at night one time with them in Louisiana and they're hunting these things that they're an invasive rodent, a giant rodent.

01:24:17.000 And it was like Dave would do his shows and then after it was a Comedy Central show.

01:24:22.000 It was a really good show.

01:24:23.000 And then he would find things to do in the town because he can't sleep because he's up all night.

01:24:27.000 And so he went out with these people that were, God, I can't remember what the animal was, but it's a large invasive rodent that exists in the South.

01:24:37.000 I mean, Nutria.

01:24:39.000 That's right.

01:24:40.000 And people eat them.

01:24:40.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:42.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 I mean, the rodent.

01:24:44.000 See if you can find that video because it's kind of crazy.

01:24:44.000 I mean, Cassie.

01:24:47.000 Nutria.

01:24:48.000 They're out there hunting them with 22s.

01:24:50.000 With 22s?

01:24:51.000 Yeah, I mean, they have to.

01:24:54.000 They're a completely invasive species, and they're huge.

01:24:57.000 They're like a small dog.

01:24:58.000 That's something I left off the list.

01:25:00.000 We eat those all the time.

01:25:02.000 It's called a paka.

01:25:03.000 It's like a small capybara with spots.

01:25:06.000 And those, I mean, you know, it's like squirrels, but they're big.

01:25:09.000 They're like, you know, cat-sized and fat.

01:25:12.000 People eat them all the time.

01:25:13.000 Those are delicious.

01:25:14.000 What's your favorite thing to eat in the jungle?

01:25:17.000 Piranha.

01:25:18.000 Piranha.

01:25:19.000 Fuck yeah.

01:25:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:20.000 Really?

01:25:21.000 They're delicious.

01:25:22.000 And when you fry a piranha, you know, you slit, you know, make the slits along it.

01:25:25.000 You just fry the whole thing.

01:25:26.000 You just pull it right off of its skeleton.

01:25:28.000 And the fins become like chips, like little salty chips.

01:25:32.000 Oh, they're so good.

01:25:33.000 You just put salt on it and we just a little bit of salt and then fry it up.

01:25:37.000 And then better than the piranha is the paco, the big vegetarian. 1.00

01:25:41.000 And the piranha species, yeah.

01:25:43.000 Those are invasive species in America as well.

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:47.000 People catch them all the time.

01:25:48.000 Oh, they're so good.

01:25:50.000 Yeah, they catch them and they're like 40 pounds.

01:25:52.000 They're huge.

01:25:52.000 Yeah, someone caught a world record pack.

01:25:55.000 Really powerful.

01:25:55.000 Powerful.

01:25:56.000 P-A-C-U, right?

01:25:56.000 Paku.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 I want to say in Georgia, Georgia, or Florida, somewhere around there.

01:26:03.000 And fucking huge.

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:05.000 No, they're powerful.

01:26:07.000 We fish for them.

01:26:08.000 You have like a 10-foot pole with a rope on it.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, there's a paku. 1.00

01:26:13.000 Yeah, look at the size of that thing, man.

01:26:15.000 That's crazy.

01:26:16.000 50 pounds.

01:26:17.000 World record size Paku caught in Florida.

01:26:19.000 There it is.

01:26:19.000 50 pounds.

01:26:20.000 That's nuts.

01:26:22.000 Dude, those are so nutritious.

01:26:24.000 When you eat them, you feel like you're just gaining muscle.

01:26:27.000 Really?

01:26:27.000 Like, you still eat a lot of elk?

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:30.000 Like, don't you feel like it's like a superfood?

01:26:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:32.000 Uh-huh.

01:26:33.000 This is how I feel.

01:26:34.000 I live on these things.

01:26:35.000 I feel like I just.

01:26:36.000 You live on piranha.

01:26:37.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 Piranha and paku.

01:26:39.000 Wow.

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:40.000 How do you catch the paku? 1.00

01:26:42.000 10-foot pole.

01:26:43.000 You have a piece of rope and you put like a piece of like last night's dinner.

01:26:46.000 You do like a piece of tie a bunch of rancid chicken.

01:26:49.000 You leave it out in the sun, make it smell bad.

01:26:51.000 You go out at six in the morning.

01:26:53.000 So they're not vegetarians.

01:26:54.000 Well, they'll eat anything.

01:26:55.000 They specialize on the nuts.

01:26:57.000 That's why they have the human teeth. 0.58

01:26:59.000 Oh, those are the ones that have the human teeth.

01:27:01.000 You open their mouth.

01:27:01.000 They have like molars and then like a few like front teeth.

01:27:05.000 And so we go with this 10-foot pole and nobody can make a sound on the boat.

01:27:08.000 You're just floating with the river.

01:27:10.000 You're like invisible.

01:27:11.000 And you wait for a feature in the river, like a rock or a place where the water's rushing, and you smack it against because they like that falling, falling fruit or falling seeds.

01:27:20.000 And when they hit that, I'm talking about like a four-inch hook.

01:27:23.000 When they hit that hook, this is the thing because you're doing this for you doing it for an hour and you're like, all right, there's no Paco in here.

01:27:30.000 When they do hit it, they'll pull you right out of the boat.

01:27:30.000 Well, guess what?

01:27:34.000 I mean, I've been dragged straight across the boat where you got to use one hand to stop yourself, and the other hand's holding this pole.

01:27:40.000 And then your friends got to pull you back.

01:27:42.000 You get this fish on the thing, and it's going, boom, boom, Flying that you're catching them.

01:27:46.000 You saw, they're big.

01:27:47.000 Are you catching them that big?

01:27:48.000 Yeah, they're huge.

01:27:49.000 And then you got to have a hammer because you got to shut them off somehow.

01:27:53.000 Right.

01:27:54.000 You got to crack them right on between the eyes because otherwise they'll just either jump out of the boat or injure them.

01:28:00.000 We were going upriver a few months ago or at night.

01:28:00.000 That was the other thing.

01:28:03.000 We're all just quiet in the boat and we're going to go up to this tributary to explore it.

01:28:07.000 And I had a group of tourists with me and this girl was sitting on the front. 1.00

01:28:12.000 And all of a sudden, I feel something go past me.

01:28:15.000 There's something.

01:28:16.000 And all of a sudden, I got wet.

01:28:17.000 And all of a sudden, I hear ba-bang-ba-bang-ba-ba-bang-ba-bang in the boat.

01:28:20.000 I'm going, what the fuck is going on?

01:28:21.000 Turn on my headlamp, and there's a Paco in the boat.

01:28:24.000 And the girl that was sitting on the front, her head is bleeding.

01:28:27.000 One of those huge-ass pacos jumped out of the river in the night, hit this girl in the head, and then fell into the boat.

01:28:33.000 Whoa.

01:28:34.000 And so we just grabbed it.

01:28:35.000 Yeah, we just ate it.

01:28:38.000 But I mean, that Paco was in the middle of the Amazon at night, just jumping around, enjoying itself, and it just jumped in the wrong boat.

01:28:44.000 Wow.

01:28:45.000 Wow.

01:28:46.000 Two-foot fish flying through the air.

01:28:47.000 And that's your favorite.

01:28:48.000 That's your favorite thing to eat.

01:28:50.000 What else is really good to eat?

01:28:50.000 Absolutely.

01:28:52.000 There's these little cup mushrooms that are really good.

01:28:55.000 You fry them up with garlic.

01:28:56.000 You do that in Paco.

01:28:58.000 Now you're talking good.

01:28:59.000 My friend Roy is a chef.

01:29:01.000 He's really, he's one of the jungle keys.

01:29:03.000 He's the president of Jungle Keepers right now.

01:29:05.000 He's a local guy.

01:29:06.000 And he focuses on Amazonian cuisine.

01:29:08.000 And so he goes and he picks all the right flowers and funguses.

01:29:11.000 And he'll take Paco and then he'll flavor it with a type of orchid thing.

01:29:15.000 And all of a sudden, you have this amazing food.

01:29:18.000 And like Lima, they have, you know, Peru's become this amazing place for food.

01:29:22.000 Peru is great food.

01:29:23.000 Wow.

01:29:24.000 He does the jungle version.

01:29:25.000 Wow.

01:29:26.000 So it's not like nasty monkey soup.

01:29:28.000 It's turtle.

01:29:29.000 It's the curated, you know, five-star version of jungle cuisine.

01:29:33.000 So that's number one.

01:29:34.000 Paco's number one.

01:29:35.000 100%.

01:29:36.000 I mean, even great crocodile?

01:29:39.000 I think I tried alligator ones, but it didn't leave an impression on me.

01:29:43.000 I haven't really.

01:29:44.000 Also, I feel like they're my friends.

01:29:46.000 Really?

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:48.000 I like them.

01:29:50.000 Just because they're cool?

01:29:51.000 Well, I mean, I work with them a lot.

01:29:52.000 I'm always catching caiman.

01:29:53.000 I always see them on the side of the river.

01:29:55.000 You know, nobody's serving me.

01:29:56.000 If they were serving me caiman, then it would be just like the monkey where it's like, all right, I got to eat it.

01:30:00.000 But nobody's serving me caiman.

01:30:02.000 So that's not a staple of their diet.

01:30:04.000 No.

01:30:05.000 In the north and Iquitos, they eat a lot more caiman.

01:30:08.000 So you don't see caiman.

01:30:10.000 On our river, there's still, there's a caiman on every beach. 0.89

01:30:12.000 There's there's jabby roostorks.

01:30:14.000 There's kokoi herons. 1.00

01:30:15.000 There's just macaws everywhere.

01:30:16.000 It's just there's just so much life.

01:30:18.000 It's avatar.

01:30:19.000 It's just pulsing life.

01:30:22.000 Wow.

01:30:22.000 It's incredible.

01:30:23.000 Did you find the video of David Tell?

01:30:25.000 No.

01:30:26.000 It weirdly is like not online.

01:30:29.000 I found a picture of the episode, but not a video of it.

01:30:32.000 Yeah.

01:30:33.000 And they're just shooting nutria.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:37.000 I think they eat them too, but I can't find it.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:44.000 And he was actually on the episode just this is a long time ago.

01:30:48.000 This is back when Dave was drinking.

01:30:50.000 So this is like Dave's been sober for, I want to say 15 years at least, somewhere in that range.

01:30:58.000 Yeah.

01:30:59.000 And this is back when, you know, he would just drink at the comedy club and then stay up all night, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee.

01:31:05.000 Never end.

01:31:06.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 I mean, he's the most unhealthy and also the most hilarious guy alive.

01:31:11.000 You've stopped drinking, right?

01:31:13.000 I drink a little every now and then now.

01:31:14.000 I went like eight months with no drinking.

01:31:17.000 And I started having like a glass of wine with dinner and a cocktail or two.

01:31:22.000 But I have not had more than like two drinks in a night since it feels good, doesn't it?

01:31:27.000 It was a good break.

01:31:29.000 The eight months, I felt really good.

01:31:30.000 I was convinced I was never going to drink again.

01:31:32.000 And then I drank a glass of wine.

01:31:33.000 I was like, ooh, I like this.

01:31:34.000 I missed this.

01:31:35.000 But that's the one thing.

01:31:36.000 The wine is good.

01:31:37.000 Yeah.

01:31:38.000 Wine with a steak?

01:31:40.000 Ready?

01:31:41.000 Yeah, a little.

01:31:42.000 I think it was important to just recognize that I was doing it.

01:31:46.000 And I wasn't an alcoholic.

01:31:48.000 I was just, I have a club.

01:31:50.000 I'm there all the time.

01:31:51.000 And, you know, you're out with friends.

01:31:52.000 You want to drink?

01:31:53.000 Let's have a drink.

01:31:53.000 Yeah, sure.

01:31:54.000 Go to dinner, have a drink, have another drink.

01:31:57.000 It just got to a point where I was like, I was feeling like, and I'm too healthy.

01:32:01.000 And I was like, why am I doing this to myself?

01:32:01.000 I work out all the time.

01:32:03.000 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 But now I realize it's a little moderation.

01:32:08.000 It's not bad.

01:32:09.000 But drinking is essentially fun poison.

01:32:12.000 Fun poison.

01:32:13.000 It's weird.

01:32:14.000 After Lex ruined drinking for me.

01:32:17.000 Lex gets saucy.

01:32:19.000 Well, this is the thing.

01:32:21.000 When he came to the Amazon, he goes, I want to do ayahuasca.

01:32:25.000 And so we called, you know, JJ's oldest brother is 70-something.

01:32:28.000 We called this shaman in.

01:32:30.000 And he's like, you know, with the Lex voice, he's like, brother, you have to do this with me.

01:32:34.000 And I was like, I am not drinking ayahuasca.

01:32:37.000 There's a chapter in the book about when I did it with the old master and he overboiled it.

01:32:43.000 And we all like, saw God in the unit.

01:32:46.000 We were there for the Big Bang.

01:32:47.000 It was awful.

01:32:48.000 It was hard.

01:32:48.000 No, it was not.

01:32:49.000 No, no.

01:32:50.000 It was like taking a mega dose.

01:32:52.000 Sure.

01:32:53.000 It was awful.

01:32:54.000 You don't like to get scared?

01:32:54.000 It was traumatic.

01:32:56.000 I was terrified, man.

01:32:59.000 No.

01:33:00.000 So I was like, I have retired.

01:33:01.000 I was like, I'm not doing it.

01:33:02.000 And Lex was walking around in circles for two hours.

01:33:04.000 And he comes up to me and he puts his hand on my shoulder and he goes, I came all the way here for you.

01:33:08.000 He goes, now you do this for me.

01:33:10.000 He goes, don't leave me alone in the dark.

01:33:12.000 And I went, God, I said, all right, I'll do it.

01:33:15.000 And we drank right next to each other.

01:33:18.000 And the guy's smoking his pipe and, you know, he has the feathers on and he's singing to us and you're drinking and you're going deeper and deeper into the hole.

01:33:25.000 And God.

01:33:27.000 It was interesting, though.

01:33:28.000 We both, the shaman said that, you know, he was talking about what Lex was going afterwards.

01:33:35.000 He was talking about what Lex was going through on his journey.

01:33:37.000 And he goes in and does this deep work of the things he sees coming off of you.

01:33:41.000 And this is a guy, the shaman I've known for 20 years.

01:33:44.000 He's like my uncle.

01:33:46.000 And so he would come up to me and he'd go, I'd be laying down.

01:33:50.000 You can't get up.

01:33:51.000 And he'd come up to me and he'd go, one more cup?

01:33:53.000 And I'd be like, sure.

01:33:55.000 Like, why not?

01:33:57.000 And he'd like give me like a kiss on the forehead and throw it down my throat.

01:34:02.000 And then he'd go to Lex and go, one more cup.

01:34:03.000 And Lex would be like, yes.

01:34:05.000 And then, you know, give it to Lex.

01:34:06.000 And he said that, he said that he wasn't worried about my spirit.

01:34:10.000 He said, I was there to protect Lex.

01:34:12.000 And he said, Lex was there to do some real work.

01:34:16.000 And so what's interesting is that we both reached this sort of, we both reached the pinnacle of what was happening at the same time where I felt myself about, I felt it coming.

01:34:27.000 I was like, oh no, I'm going to throw up.

01:34:28.000 I'm going to throw up.

01:34:28.000 And all of a sudden, my consciousness lifted six feet above my body.

01:34:32.000 And I was looking down at me and Lex.

01:34:34.000 And I got this overwhelmingly calm sensation.

01:34:38.000 And without speaking, the shaman said to me, he said, you're not going to feel this.

01:34:41.000 I know you don't like it.

01:34:43.000 Said, you're just here to support him so you can vomit now.

01:34:46.000 And so Lex started vomiting, and I started vomiting.

01:34:48.000 But I was watching myself and I was watching him, and I was just like, this is fine.

01:34:52.000 It doesn't hurt a bit.

01:34:54.000 And it was very, very comforting.

01:34:56.000 And then he came and he started with the, you know, shaking the leaves and singing louder and really cultivating, making sure we gave everything that we purged all of it.

01:35:04.000 And then he brought the crescendo down.

01:35:07.000 And then he calmed and then he began singing.

01:35:09.000 And then we settled back into the symphonic throb of the night.

01:35:14.000 And then the trip went on for some time, but it was interesting that things heightened at that moment and that we went through it together.

01:35:21.000 Whoa.

01:35:22.000 So why did he think that you were there to protect Lex?

01:35:25.000 It was just like something he said.

01:35:26.000 That's what he said.

01:35:27.000 That's what he said to me.

01:35:29.000 You know, and then and then, you know, it was very interesting watching Lex go through his journey because he, by the end of it, he just got happier and happier.

01:35:39.000 He just liked it more and more.

01:35:41.000 And around, I think, cup six, I tapped.

01:35:45.000 After the vomiting, after that thing, it was sort of, again, there's energies floating around.

01:35:49.000 And he's singing.

01:35:50.000 It's great, you know, understanding a little bit of the language because he's singing to his grandfather.

01:35:55.000 He's singing to the spirit of Santiago and the spirit of the Anaconda and using the old words for them.

01:36:01.000 You know, not even saying anaconda.

01:36:04.000 He's saying the other things, Amarumayo, and he's saying shiwa wako, and he's talking about the, so he's doing this and shaking his thing, and you hear the frogs throbbing, and it's all moving through your skin.

01:36:15.000 And so I, yeah, I tapped out after a while, and Lex kept going.

01:36:18.000 He's got an amazing constitution.

01:36:20.000 I think that's the Russian thing.

01:36:23.000 But since then, I can't drink.

01:36:25.000 Really?

01:36:26.000 I can't drink.

01:36:27.000 I could have a cup of wine maybe.

01:36:28.000 If I have more than that, I feel sick.

01:36:30.000 Like, I feel damaged.

01:36:31.000 I have not been able to drink.

01:36:33.000 I haven't had a beer since two years ago.

01:36:36.000 So what do you think it is?

01:36:37.000 Did it just like let you know what it's doing to you?

01:36:41.000 I have no idea.

01:36:41.000 It's just a weird side effect.

01:36:43.000 I keep trying it.

01:36:45.000 I used to love whiskey.

01:36:47.000 I'll smell some whiskey and I'm like, really?

01:36:50.000 So we cracked the bottle right now.

01:36:52.000 It turned off.

01:36:53.000 We don't have any animal.

01:36:56.000 It would make me feel like it.

01:36:57.000 I mean, I could take a sip of it, but my body would be like, no, red light, red light.

01:37:01.000 No.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, well, your body's correct.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 But it made me hypersensitive.

01:37:06.000 I noticed from that moment onwards.

01:37:08.000 Did it have the effect with Lex?

01:37:09.000 No.

01:37:09.000 I don't think so.

01:37:10.000 He can still booze it up.

01:37:11.000 I don't think so.

01:37:12.000 I'm sure.

01:37:12.000 Lex goes hard.

01:37:13.000 I'm sure he does.

01:37:13.000 We went to Andrew Schultz's wedding with Lex.

01:37:16.000 Yeah.

01:37:16.000 And then we flew with Whitney Cummings, who was doing a gig in Vegas.

01:37:20.000 And we said, we'll go with you.

01:37:21.000 So it was me and my wife and Whitney and Lex.

01:37:24.000 We flew to Vegas.

01:37:25.000 Yeah.

01:37:26.000 And then we hung out with David Goggins.

01:37:27.000 I called him up.

01:37:28.000 He's like, come meet us at the hotel.

01:37:29.000 Does he party?

01:37:30.000 No.

01:37:32.000 No, him and Lex were doing push-ups.

01:37:34.000 They were doing drunk.

01:37:36.000 Lex was drunk and David wasn't.

01:37:38.000 And Lex wanted to have a push-up competition with Goggins.

01:37:42.000 With Goggins.

01:37:42.000 That's amazing.

01:37:43.000 I mean, but that's why he's Lex, right?

01:37:45.000 He's the Encore.

01:37:46.000 Because he's willing to try everything.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 Oh, he's an animal.

01:37:50.000 I mean, the fact that push-up competition with David Goggins, that's silly.

01:37:54.000 That's hysterical.

01:37:55.000 He's quite a character, Lex.

01:37:57.000 He told me he's going to Dagestan to train.

01:38:00.000 He's going to go to Dagestan and train with Khabib's team.

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 I'm like, good lord.

01:38:04.000 Good lord.

01:38:05.000 You're like 42.

01:38:07.000 How old is he?

01:38:08.000 Lex's got to be in his 40s.

01:38:10.000 But early 40s.

01:38:11.000 I think he's still very young.

01:38:13.000 Yeah, but like you're going to go there and train with savages. 0.92

01:38:17.000 How old is Khabib?

01:38:18.000 Well, Khabib's retired, but he's probably 35, if I had a guess.

01:38:25.000 You know, somewhere around there.

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 But it's a different thing.

01:38:30.000 Let's talk now.

01:38:31.000 Yeah, let's talk now.

01:38:34.000 Well, he's training those guys now.

01:38:36.000 He's training Islam Makachev and Umar Nurmogamedov.

01:38:41.000 His cousin.

01:38:41.000 He's training some of the best guys alive.

01:38:43.000 So he's running a camp down in Dagestan.

01:38:46.000 Because he's kind of like, so did he, it seemed like, at least I don't like, I wasn't really following his career, but it seemed like he came in like an assassin, did some big stuff.

01:38:57.000 Well, his dad died.

01:38:58.000 His dad died during COVID.

01:39:00.000 And after his dad died, he promised his mother that he was going to stop fighting.

01:39:00.000 Okay.

01:39:05.000 Got it.

01:39:06.000 Yeah, his dad was his trainer.

01:39:09.000 His dad was legendary, legendary trainer, and trained Islam, trained Khabib. 0.99

01:39:16.000 And when he died, Khabib made a promise to his mother.

01:39:21.000 He fought Justin Gaechy, beat him, defended his title, and that was it.

01:39:25.000 Done.

01:39:26.000 But I mean, he's very well regarded now for his accomplishments in fighting, right?

01:39:31.000 One of the greatest of all time.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 I mean, there's an argument of who the greatest of all time is.

01:39:35.000 It's very subjective.

01:39:36.000 Sure.

01:39:37.000 But he's certainly in the conversation.

01:39:38.000 Yeah.

01:39:39.000 You know, he's one of.

01:39:41.000 I don't think there is a.

01:39:42.000 Maybe John Jones is the greatest of all time, just based on his accomplishments and also undefeated, but also the time that he's been.

01:39:51.000 I mean, John won a world title at 23 and is still like up until he relinquished his heavyweight title recently.

01:40:03.000 He's 36, 37 now.

01:40:05.000 No one's beaten him.

01:40:07.000 Crazy.

01:40:08.000 No one's had a run off.

01:40:10.000 No one's had a run like that.

01:40:11.000 That's insane.

01:40:12.000 How big is it?

01:40:12.000 How big is he?

01:40:13.000 John's a heavyweight.

01:40:14.000 Yeah.

01:40:15.000 John, I think he's 6'3 or 6'4.

01:40:17.000 You know, and now he's about 240-ish, but he used to fight at 205.

01:40:21.000 That was his main weight class.

01:40:24.000 That's some crazy.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, and so the conversation of who is the greatest of all time.

01:40:29.000 In my book, Mighty Mouse is in that conversation, too.

01:40:33.000 Mighty Mouse.

01:40:34.000 Mighty Mouse is Demetrius Johnson.

01:40:35.000 He was a flyweight.

01:40:37.000 The problem is he was a very small guy, and so a lot of people disregard the smaller guys in that conversation.

01:40:45.000 But skill-wise, in terms of the expression of mixed martial arts excellence, I put Mighty Mouse in his prime right up there with everybody.

01:40:54.000 Do you think that now your arms are significantly bigger than mine?

01:40:58.000 And I feel like the guys who are good at striking have smaller arms.

01:41:03.000 Mike Tyson, giant arms.

01:41:04.000 Giant arms.

01:41:05.000 There you go.

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 Don't you feel like you're swinging around some weight like that?

01:41:08.000 Well, you are, but you also have a lot more power behind it.

01:41:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:11.000 So when you do connect, that's true.

01:41:13.000 It's conditioning, you know, like the whole thing of swing.

01:41:16.000 It's like, did you develop those arms just doing bicep curls?

01:41:19.000 Or did you develop those arms doing functional things, like constant training that gives you muscle endurance?

01:41:19.000 Yeah.

01:41:26.000 You know, it all depends.

01:41:27.000 But if you see like a big, bulky bodybuilder guy, yeah, that's not good.

01:41:31.000 No, but for like our level where we're still athletic and stuff, I'm going, man, I don't want to put on more.

01:41:36.000 I want to get stronger, but I don't want to put on more.

01:41:38.000 Yeah, I don't do really anything to try to put weight on.

01:41:42.000 I don't lift anything heavier than 70 pounds.

01:41:44.000 So many dudes just want to just.

01:41:46.000 Yeah, they just want to look big.

01:41:47.000 Yeah, I don't do anything like that.

01:41:49.000 Like I said, the heaviest thing I lift is my body weight.

01:41:52.000 I do every bodyweight stuff.

01:41:53.000 I do a lot of chin-ups and dips, and sometimes I do it with a vest, you know.

01:41:57.000 And I do, you know, but with kettlebells, like the heavy, occasionally I'll throw around a 90-pound kettlebell, but the heaviest I really train with is 70.

01:42:06.000 Yeah.

01:42:07.000 But that's plenty.

01:42:08.000 But I don't, like I said, I don't train for size.

01:42:10.000 I just train for function.

01:42:12.000 Strength and function, yeah.

01:42:12.000 Yeah, it has to, to me, it's silly.

01:42:15.000 If I don't have range of motion function, like what am I doing?

01:42:18.000 No, you don't.

01:42:19.000 I'm a martial artist.

01:42:20.000 Like my whole thing is to be able to use my body.

01:42:23.000 It's not to make it look like I can use it.

01:42:25.000 I'd rather be smaller and more functional than bigger and just look like a big goofy toad.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, I bulk too easily.

01:42:37.000 I actually try to put on this.

01:42:38.000 That's why I only do Italian Irish. 0.93

01:42:41.000 I mean, come on.

01:42:42.000 You get thick.

01:42:43.000 Yeah, you get thick quick.

01:42:44.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 You got to watch it.

01:42:46.000 Long line of people.

01:42:48.000 A long line of thick people.

01:42:49.000 Uh-huh.

01:42:49.000 Yeah.

01:42:50.000 Uh-huh.

01:42:51.000 Can I take a quick peek, Peter?

01:42:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:53.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:42:55.000 You've been murdering it.

01:42:56.000 Like, you've been having just tons and tons of people.

01:42:59.000 Do you do them every day?

01:43:01.000 I just keep, I mean, it's not any different pace than before.

01:43:05.000 It's usually four a week.

01:43:06.000 It seems, it's just a fitting.

01:43:07.000 Maybe it's because I'm in the jungle for a few weeks and then I'll come back and look, and I'm like, whoa.

01:43:12.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 Johnny Knoxville, Matt Damon, and like, thick, bang, bang, bang, bang.

01:43:16.000 The key is just keep going.

01:43:18.000 Yeah.

01:43:18.000 You know, like, you've run a thousand miles, right?

01:43:21.000 But you didn't run a thousand miles in a day.

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:23.000 You know, you run 10 a day, and then days go on.

01:43:27.000 It's incredible, though.

01:43:29.000 You get to meet everybody.

01:43:30.000 You meet a lot of people.

01:43:31.000 Yeah.

01:43:32.000 You definitely develop a better understanding of human beings.

01:43:35.000 Because, you know, you're limited by the amount of human beings you interact with, your scope, your understanding of people.

01:43:41.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 The more you can talk to, the more different people, the more you get a different sense.

01:43:46.000 Yeah, well, you're in a very, you're in a very unique.

01:43:48.000 I mean, again, I always go back to the B lady. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Remember that?

01:43:52.000 Yeah.

01:43:52.000 She relocates the B's.

01:43:53.000 She's cool.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:54.000 And then you have people like Knoxville on, and you guys are talking, I just heard you guys talking about when he got hit by the bull.

01:44:00.000 I was always wondering if that was real.

01:44:02.000 And then I remember the first time I came in here, I was asking you and Jamie.

01:44:05.000 I was going, the one question was the David Blaine thing because he had you shove that thing through.

01:44:09.000 I was like, oh, I shoved it through.

01:44:10.000 Yeah, that was real.

01:44:11.000 I was going, come on, they got it.

01:44:13.000 That can't be.

01:44:13.000 Nope, that was real.

01:44:15.000 I mean, because I did it once and I hit a nerve.

01:44:18.000 And he had to restart it, right?

01:44:19.000 Yeah, maybe back out and shove it right through.

01:44:21.000 But it's not a trick, you know?

01:44:24.000 It's just pain.

01:44:25.000 Like, I could do that.

01:44:26.000 If I wanted to do that, I could do that.

01:44:28.000 I could shove a needle through my arm.

01:44:30.000 How bad do you want it?

01:44:31.000 I don't want to do that.

01:44:32.000 I don't understand why I would do that.

01:44:32.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 And I feel like that's a little bit of what Knoxville was saying, where he was like, look, he's like, I got a response.

01:44:38.000 And he's like, this is what I started doing.

01:44:40.000 And it's like, one way or the other, how you're going to get the attention.

01:44:44.000 I mean, that's what brought him to the dance, is just getting hurt all the time.

01:44:47.000 But when he told me he had been knocked unconscious 16 times, and then the last one, that's really bad.

01:44:54.000 And then the last one was the bull one that landed on his head and he was depressed for months and he had to get on medication.

01:45:01.000 I am very averse to head injuries, which is kind of hypocritical because I'm a combat sports commentator.

01:45:09.000 You know, it's weird.

01:45:10.000 And I've also been hit in the head a bunch of times.

01:45:13.000 But I just think it's really fucking bad for you overall.

01:45:16.000 I stopped sparring when I was in my late 20s, really, kickboxing sparring.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 And then I did it a little bit when I was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes.

01:45:26.000 I went back and started sparring again.

01:45:28.000 Did you fight Wesley Snipes?

01:45:29.000 No, Wesley Snipes was.

01:45:30.000 He was hysterical.

01:45:31.000 It was in, I was in my mid-30s.

01:45:33.000 I was like, this is the last chance I get to do something like this.

01:45:37.000 And then I got contacted by Campbell McLaren, who was one of the producers of the early UFC.

01:45:42.000 He's like, this is going to sound crazy.

01:45:44.000 But Wesley, he was in tax problems.

01:45:47.000 He wound up going to jail for tax evasion.

01:45:49.000 Apparently, he had some crazy guy who was telling him, you know, you don't have to pay taxes.

01:45:54.000 You know, there's those guys that are like, what do they call them?

01:45:57.000 Sovereign citizens.

01:45:58.000 Is that what they call them?

01:46:00.000 There's a lot of people that give really bad advice.

01:46:04.000 And he got in with someone like Wesley Snipes.

01:46:06.000 And, you know, they tell you, like, they can't prosecute you.

01:46:10.000 It's not in the constituents.

01:46:11.000 And he believed it because he didn't have anything to do with the people.

01:46:13.000 I don't know.

01:46:14.000 I never talked to Wesley.

01:46:15.000 I don't know.

01:46:16.000 I don't have anything against him.

01:46:17.000 You sure he just wasn't scared of fighting you, so he made up this whole story?

01:46:20.000 No, I think Wesley also might have been embarking on a journey of cocaine.

01:46:25.000 Oh, which gives you a very distorted idea of what you can and can't do.

01:46:31.000 Everything.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:32.000 You think you can do everything.

01:46:33.000 I don't know if that's the case.

01:46:34.000 I think it might have been just.

01:46:35.000 Well, he's a very legitimate martial artist.

01:46:38.000 I mean, Wesley, if you look at his skills, like from the movie Blade, and he's a really good martial artist.

01:46:45.000 He knows how to fight.

01:46:46.000 Yeah, you kind of have to be to do those movies, eh?

01:46:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 But my thought was just, I'm going to grab him and choke the life out of him.

01:46:52.000 Like, no, he's going to stop me.

01:46:53.000 Yeah.

01:46:54.000 Like, also, I know how to stand up.

01:46:55.000 Like, I was a kickboxer.

01:46:57.000 That would have been awesome.

01:46:59.000 If you could fight one person dead or alive, full fight.

01:47:02.000 I don't want to do that.

01:47:03.000 I wouldn't need.

01:47:04.000 No.

01:47:04.000 The problem with it, it really is.

01:47:06.000 No, but like theoretically, not you as Joe Rogan, the dad, and like just Joe Rogan.

01:47:10.000 No, it would not be a one person.

01:47:11.000 What it would be is start fighting again.

01:47:13.000 It would be fight whoever.

01:47:15.000 The whole thing would be competing.

01:47:17.000 But seriously, I'm 58.

01:47:18.000 That's never going to happen again now.

01:47:20.000 I'm saying, like, but like Wesley snipes, it's like, you know, you say, like, oh, I'd want to fight.

01:47:24.000 Well, I just thought it would be an adventure.

01:47:26.000 And I trained for like six months.

01:47:26.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 I was training with Rob Kamen, who's like a legendary kickboxing, a Dutch kickboxing champion.

01:47:34.000 So he was my kickboxing coach.

01:47:36.000 And so I was training with him in the mornings, and I was training jiu-jitsu at night.

01:47:39.000 It was hard.

01:47:40.000 It was really hard.

01:47:41.000 I was doing it for six months.

01:47:42.000 I was training twice a day for six months.

01:47:44.000 It was really brutal.

01:47:46.000 And I was so tired.

01:47:47.000 I was tired all the time.

01:47:48.000 And that's where you got those leg kicks that you were teaching George St. Pierre.

01:47:51.000 Nah, I learned how to do that when I was a kid.

01:47:54.000 Now, my question is now he's such a legendary MMA guy.

01:47:58.000 Like, he was—did he not have— Well, I was a Taekwondo specialist.

01:48:02.000 Okay.

01:48:02.000 You know?

01:48:03.000 And I was multiple times state champion in Taekwondo, and I won a bunch of national tournaments.

01:48:09.000 And I was really good.

01:48:10.000 I was really good at Taekwondo.

01:48:12.000 Like, I had fought at a very high level.

01:48:15.000 And I have a lot of really good instruction that I got from, I got very lucky.

01:48:24.000 And I stumbled upon a school in Boston called the Jai Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute.

01:48:30.000 Just randomly walked in the door one day, and it turned out to be one of the best taekwondo schools in the world.

01:48:36.000 And so I had trained with some of the very best people in the world just by fortune.

01:48:43.000 And I was physically gifted.

01:48:44.000 I was very lucky in a lot of ways.

01:48:47.000 A lot of natural power.

01:48:48.000 And I learned technique, which is the most important thing, like perfect technique.

01:48:54.000 And so when it was funny, it was because it came about because of John Donaher.

01:49:00.000 I had a conversation with John Donagher, who's George's Jiu-Jitsu coach, who's maybe the greatest martial arts coach in the world, maybe of all time.

01:49:08.000 Really, legitimately, like a brilliant man.

01:49:11.000 He was a philosophy major from Columbia who got, I think he was a professor for a bit, but then he got obsessed with jiu-jitsu and was just teaching jiu-jitsu and training jiu-jitsu and sleeping on the mats.

01:49:24.000 And like literally, literally.

01:49:25.000 Literally teaching all day, training all day and sleeping on the mats, but a brilliant man.

01:49:30.000 And we were having dinner one night, and he's like, George needs some help with the finer points of the spinning back kick.

01:49:38.000 Do you know anyone who can help him?

01:49:41.000 And I said, this is going to sound crazy.

01:49:43.000 I go, but I have like the best spinning back kick you're ever going to see in your fucking life.

01:49:48.000 I go, I know it sounds crazy because I'm a comedian.

01:49:50.000 I go find a bag.

01:49:52.000 I could show you.

01:49:54.000 I can show you what I could do.

01:49:55.000 And then I brought, there's a video of me.

01:49:58.000 Oh, I saw it.

01:49:58.000 Okay.

01:49:59.000 The sound is imprinted in my mind.

01:50:01.000 George, this is when we're at Legends, Legends MMA in LA, which is where I trained.

01:50:07.000 It was where Eddie Bravo had 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu.

01:50:12.000 And, you know, I go, okay, let's go downstairs to the Muay Thai part, and I'll show you.

01:50:17.000 And then I kick the bag, and he's like, man, what the fuck?

01:50:20.000 Can I film this?

01:50:23.000 He's filming with a flip phone, which is crazy.

01:50:25.000 Like, that's how long ago this was.

01:50:27.000 This is crazy.

01:50:28.000 I don't know.

01:50:28.000 It's probably 2005 or something like that.

01:50:30.000 I had hair.

01:50:31.000 And it was funny because it was like this thing.

01:50:36.000 Because I don't do it.

01:50:37.000 It was even back then, it wasn't like I was training in kickboxing.

01:50:42.000 I wasn't training in Taekwondo.

01:50:44.000 It was just, I just still had it in me.

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 You still, do you still keep it?

01:50:50.000 Did it today?

01:50:50.000 You did it today?

01:50:51.000 Nice.

01:50:51.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 That was an impressive video.

01:50:54.000 And you just go, Jesus, if he's showing this to George St. Pierre, how good is he at this thing?

01:50:59.000 It's like, you know, I used to be really good.

01:51:00.000 Yeah.

01:51:01.000 But I realized when I was like 21.

01:51:04.000 Well, I realized when I was 19 that I was going to have to stop because I fought in California.

01:51:11.000 I was living in Boston at the time.

01:51:12.000 I was traveling all over the country and fighting.

01:51:15.000 And I fought in the Nationals in California against this guy who was the Illinois state champion.

01:51:20.000 And I knocked him out really bad.

01:51:22.000 It was really bad.

01:51:24.000 I hit him with a wheel kick in the head and my heel was sore for days afterwards.

01:51:29.000 Like I had a hard time walking from his fucking head.

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:33.000 And he never got up.

01:51:35.000 He went down face first, was snoring.

01:51:39.000 And back then, my thing was if I knocked anybody out, I would just act like it was no big deal.

01:51:44.000 I would just turn away and walk away.

01:51:45.000 No celebration.

01:51:46.000 I just walk away like that.

01:51:48.000 I'm going to do that to all you guys.

01:51:50.000 And so I walked away and then I turned to my friend Junxik, who was my corner guy. 0.85

01:51:55.000 I said, is he getting up?

01:51:56.000 He's like, he's not getting up.

01:51:57.000 He's not going to get up.

01:51:58.000 He's out.

01:51:59.000 And then they took him and they put him in a, they took him and they put him in a stretcher.

01:52:05.000 And then they were taking care of him.

01:52:06.000 And for like a half hour, he was still unconscious.

01:52:09.000 And then they took him to the hospital.

01:52:10.000 I have no idea what happened to him.

01:52:12.000 But I realized it was so bad.

01:52:15.000 It was because he came forward.

01:52:18.000 So what happened was he did, do you know what a switch kick is?

01:52:21.000 No.

01:52:22.000 Switch kick is you're standing with your left leg forward and you switch legs and you come like with the left kick.

01:52:29.000 So you think he's repositioning and then he's moving forward.

01:52:32.000 They telegraphed it.

01:52:34.000 And it's his left leg.

01:52:36.000 So I saw that his left leg was coming this way.

01:52:39.000 So I spun with my right heel and I hit him in the head as he was running forward.

01:52:44.000 So it's like multiple for the force itself of a wheel kick is so powerful.

01:52:49.000 And then when you're running into a wheel kick, it's crazy.

01:52:51.000 It's like two cars driving it each time.

01:52:53.000 It's like getting hit with a baseball bat that fucking, you know, Mark McGuire swinging.

01:53:00.000 It's crazy how much power there is in it because it's your legs.

01:53:03.000 Your legs carry you around all day and the torque of your whole body, you're whipping around and you're hitting with the heel.

01:53:10.000 And you, you know, there's no patting on your heel.

01:53:12.000 And it's not right.

01:53:13.000 I hit him right on the fucking cheek, like right on the side of his head.

01:53:16.000 He went out.

01:53:18.000 And then I came back to my instructor and he wasn't there at the tournament.

01:53:23.000 I went back to Boston.

01:53:24.000 He's like, he goes, I heard you had a really good knockout.

01:53:29.000 And I said, yeah, I said, it was scary.

01:53:32.000 I go, I thought he was dead.

01:53:34.000 He goes, sometimes they die.

01:53:37.000 And then he walked away from me.

01:53:39.000 And I was like, fuck, man.

01:53:41.000 Sometimes they die.

01:53:42.000 I'm like, that's me.

01:53:43.000 I'm like, and I had no health insurance.

01:53:45.000 I was 19.

01:53:46.000 I was broke.

01:53:47.000 I was training for the, I wanted to be on the Olympic team.

01:53:49.000 And I was two years from there.

01:53:50.000 And I lost a lot of my steam at that moment because I was like, what am I doing?

01:53:56.000 I'm fighting for free.

01:53:58.000 I don't have any money.

01:53:59.000 I have no insurance.

01:54:01.000 And I'm doing this thing.

01:54:03.000 And I knew back then I was getting some brain damage for sure.

01:54:09.000 And then I started kickboxing right after that.

01:54:13.000 And then I really kind of lost my feeling for Taekwondo because I realized it was so limited.

01:54:18.000 You know, that like when I was sparring with kickboxers, I was really, oh my God, my hands are so limited.

01:54:23.000 So then I started working with this guy, Joe Lake, who was a boxing coach.

01:54:26.000 And that's when I was doing a lot of boxing and a lot of kickboxing.

01:54:31.000 And I was like, man, I'm getting my brains beat in.

01:54:34.000 And I don't know why I'm doing this.

01:54:37.000 You know, I'm like, there's no professional.

01:54:39.000 It wasn't like the UFC existed at the time.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, I got offered a kickboxing fight for 500 bucks.

01:54:44.000 And I was like, 500 bucks.

01:54:46.000 So for 500 bucks, I lose my amateur status.

01:54:49.000 I can never fight in the Olympics.

01:54:50.000 And there's no money in it as a professional.

01:54:52.000 I'm like, what is my future?

01:54:53.000 Am I going to be one of the?

01:54:54.000 And then I knew guys in the gym that I used to train with when I was 19.

01:54:59.000 And then by the time I was like 21, I was seeing brain damage in these guys.

01:55:03.000 I was seeing them slurring their words, forgetting what they were saying, repeating themselves.

01:55:09.000 The weird thing is, they'll tell you a story.

01:55:11.000 And then they'll tell you the same story like two minutes later.

01:55:11.000 Yeah.

01:55:14.000 And you're like, you just fucking told me that story. 0.72

01:55:16.000 They don't remember.

01:55:17.000 They don't remember anything.

01:55:18.000 And now, but now, you know, George St. Pierre is a good example of someone.

01:55:22.000 I feel like he made it out of fighting before.

01:55:24.000 Yes.

01:55:24.000 Like, he looks very healthy.

01:55:25.000 He's fine.

01:55:25.000 He looks like he's fine.

01:55:26.000 He's fine.

01:55:27.000 But he's, you know, he's a very intelligent guy.

01:55:30.000 He also does a lot of things to keep his mind very active.

01:55:32.000 He plays chess.

01:55:33.000 Yeah.

01:55:34.000 You know, and he's very proactive.

01:55:37.000 Yeah, but he seems like, even like, I've just seen him on social media where he's like, hey, guys, this is how I do.

01:55:41.000 Like, he's just like a very seems like a very positive, fun, you know, doesn't he?

01:55:45.000 He's the best case scenario for both another guy in the argument for the all-time great.

01:55:51.000 For an all-time great MMA champion who has a successful and happy life outside of it.

01:55:51.000 Yeah.

01:55:58.000 Didn't end up with the shakes.

01:56:00.000 No.

01:56:01.000 No, he's fine.

01:56:02.000 I mean, I've hung out with him a bunch.

01:56:04.000 I've hung out with him recently.

01:56:05.000 He was great.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 We came to the comedy club.

01:56:07.000 He's actually playing my friend James McCann.

01:56:08.000 They were playing chess in the green room at the Comedy Mothership.

01:56:11.000 It was so cool.

01:56:12.000 We were filming it.

01:56:13.000 The last time I came, I think he had been in there the night before, and I was like, ah, I would have been, that would have been a trip to meet him.

01:56:18.000 He's amazing.

01:56:19.000 But he's such a sweetheart of a guy.

01:56:21.000 You would never imagine that he's this fucking killer inside the octagon.

01:56:25.000 Yeah.

01:56:25.000 He's such a sweet guy.

01:56:27.000 But it's just like for him, it was just this incredible challenge, and he was really good at it.

01:56:33.000 And he just figured out a way to express himself that way.

01:56:36.000 And, you know, it was a legend.

01:56:38.000 Like, I don't imagine that he was like big on like the trash talk before fights and everything, right?

01:56:42.000 He was probably just like, look, we're just going to.

01:56:44.000 No, there was no trash talk.

01:56:45.000 He was very respectful.

01:56:46.000 Unless someone was disrespectful to him.

01:56:48.000 And, you know, and even then, he wasn't trash talking.

01:56:53.000 No, he always seemed like he was cool.

01:56:54.000 He was just doing his thing.

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 No, he was one of the best representatives of the sport of all time, if not the best.

01:57:01.000 No, I like that.

01:57:02.000 Never got into trouble outside the octagon.

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:05.000 Never, you know, was never drunk driving or beating people up.

01:57:09.000 And, you know, just a great guy.

01:57:12.000 And if I would have to tell people who he is, like, he would, he was like, who's your friend?

01:57:16.000 I was like, what do you think he does?

01:57:18.000 Yeah.

01:57:18.000 What do you think my friend does?

01:57:20.000 And like, I don't know.

01:57:20.000 He seems cool.

01:57:21.000 How big is he?

01:57:22.000 He's one of the he's about five, nine, five, ten, maybe.

01:57:27.000 And now he probably weighs 180 pounds, 185 pounds, maybe.

01:57:32.000 Fought at 170.

01:57:33.000 Okay.

01:57:33.000 You know, he's not like a scary looking person.

01:57:36.000 I'm like, that's one of the greatest fighters that's ever walked the face of the earth.

01:57:41.000 Like, no way.

01:57:41.000 I'm like, yeah.

01:57:43.000 I mean, he's like, hey, how are you doing, man?

01:57:44.000 What's going on?

01:57:46.000 He's like jovial.

01:57:47.000 No.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, he's a sweetheart.

01:57:48.000 No, he's not trying to intimidate.

01:57:49.000 Like, you know, Khabib looks like he's, you know.

01:57:51.000 He's really smart.

01:57:52.000 I mean, he's really, he's always like watching documentaries and reading books.

01:57:56.000 Yeah.

01:57:57.000 He's fascinated by ancient history and dinosaurs and really into aliens.

01:58:01.000 He's dinosaurs.

01:58:03.000 No, it's just crazy, man.

01:58:06.000 You've gotten to this.

01:58:07.000 You've met everyone.

01:58:08.000 Did you ever have Jane Goodall on here?

01:58:10.000 No, I did not, unfortunately.

01:58:12.000 I wanted to make that happen.

01:58:13.000 I wanted to, and I wanted, she's gone, right?

01:58:15.000 She just died.

01:58:16.000 I wanted to talk to her about Bigfoot because she was convinced that Bigfoot was real.

01:58:21.000 What?

01:58:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:22.000 She was convinced that Bigfoot.

01:58:23.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:58:24.000 She did this interview.

01:58:25.000 Fine.

01:58:25.000 And she said she's certain of it.

01:58:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:58:27.000 We'll find it.

01:58:28.000 Jamie, see how you find that.

01:58:30.000 Not that I don't believe you, but I just don't find Jane Goodall.

01:58:34.000 I know, I know, I know.

01:58:35.000 I was stunned.

01:58:35.000 I was like, what?

01:58:36.000 And this is by the time I had been convinced that Bigfoot was fake.

01:58:40.000 Yeah, I'm in that camp.

01:58:41.000 There's camera traps.

01:58:42.000 But this is the camp.

01:58:45.000 There was an animal that coexisted with human beings for sure that was called Gigantopithecus.

01:58:51.000 Yes.

01:58:51.000 You know the whole story.

01:58:52.000 Yeah.

01:58:52.000 So gigantopithecus, they found bones in an apothecary shop in China in the 1920s or 30s.

01:59:02.000 And an anthropologist found these molars and said, where did you get this?

01:59:06.000 These are primate molars, and they're fucking enormous.

01:59:10.000 Like whatever this thing was was absolutely huge.

01:59:12.000 So they went to the site where they got it.

01:59:15.000 They found mandible bones that indicated it was bipedal.

01:59:19.000 So it was an upright walking chimp, a walking primate that was eight to ten feet tall. 0.86

01:59:25.000 Like, what the fuck is this?

01:59:27.000 And so I'm sure you've seen the images of what a gigantopithecus looked like in comparison to a human being.

01:59:33.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 It's in the orangutan family.

01:59:35.000 And so that thing existed and also existed in Asia, right?

01:59:42.000 So you look at the Bering Strait and you look at the Bering Land Bridge that we know existed during the Ice Age.

01:59:48.000 And so we know that humans migrated from Siberia into North America.

01:59:54.000 We know that for a fact.

01:59:55.000 You know one of the reasons we know that for a fact?

01:59:57.000 Because Mormons were convinced that Native Americans were part of the lost tribe of Israel.

02:00:03.000 Yeah.

02:00:04.000 So some rich Mormon guy did a DNA test on Native Americans and found out that they emanated from Siberia. 0.52

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 And so it was incorrect.

02:00:16.000 So we know humans came down from there.

02:00:18.000 Why wouldn't other animals?

02:00:20.000 We know they did.

02:00:20.000 Sure.

02:00:21.000 We know short-faced bear, a bunch of different animals that they find their bones in Alaska, and they know that they probably made their way down through North America.

02:00:30.000 It just stands, it just makes logical sense that if you have a variety of different megafauna, that probably one of those primates or a bunch of those primates lived in the Pacific Northwest, which is the area where they would be, right?

02:00:45.000 And then you have incredibly dense forest, right?

02:00:48.000 So Jane Goodall won't rule out the existence of... 1.00

02:00:51.000 But no, no, no.

02:00:52.000 Find the video where she says, I'm convinced.

02:00:55.000 I'm convinced.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, because she was talking.

02:00:58.000 I didn't seriously say that.

02:00:59.000 Oh, no, no.

02:01:00.000 I've heard that.

02:01:02.000 Okay, just find it because it exists.

02:01:04.000 It doesn't.

02:01:05.000 I can't listen to the videos.

02:01:06.000 No, no, no.

02:01:07.000 Go to video.

02:01:08.000 I did.

02:01:09.000 Dude, she would have been awesome. 1.00

02:01:11.000 I'm Jane Giddall on how Bigfoot might be real.

02:01:13.000 That's it right there.

02:01:14.000 Put the headphones on.

02:01:15.000 Listen, a video.

02:01:17.000 Headphones.

02:01:20.000 Here we go.

02:01:22.000 I climbed into the hills.

02:01:24.000 Oh, there's Jane.

02:01:28.000 This was where I was meant to be.

02:01:30.000 I wanted to talk to you about something that some would say is fictional, but you would say, hold up, we don't know for certain.

02:01:37.000 And that's Bigfoot.

02:01:40.000 Everybody talks to me about it.

02:01:42.000 I'm romantic.

02:01:43.000 I would like Bigfoot to exist.

02:01:45.000 I've met people who swear they've seen Bigfoot.

02:01:48.000 And I think the interesting thing is, every single continent, there is an equivalent of Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

02:01:56.000 There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia, there's the Chinese wild man, and on and on and on.

02:02:04.000 And, you know, I've had stories from people who you have to believe them.

02:02:10.000 So there's something.

02:02:12.000 I don't know what it is.

02:02:13.000 I'm always open-minded.

02:02:15.000 What about other mythological creatures?

02:02:18.000 Pause for a second.

02:02:19.000 So they're saying that to her.

02:02:21.000 He's saying that to her, and she said that in reaction to a previous interview that she did.

02:02:26.000 The previous interview that she did, she said, I'm convinced that it exists.

02:02:32.000 I don't know.

02:02:33.000 Well, you know, you got to realize this is a lady that lived with primates in an inaccessible area where there's very few human beings and she had these interactions with them.

02:02:44.000 I don't agree with her, but I think that it existed at one point in time.

02:02:48.000 One of the other reasons why I think it exists is that different Native American tribes put this into perplexity. 0.99

02:02:55.000 How many different Native American terms were there for a hairy wild man or Bigfoot?

02:03:03.000 And I believe there's more than 80.

02:03:06.000 That's wild.

02:03:07.000 Now, they don't have a lot of mythological creatures in Native American culture.

02:03:11.000 Right.

02:03:11.000 Yeah.

02:03:12.000 And so in different tribes, right?

02:03:14.000 But they have a name for this hairy, wild, giant man that lives in the woods.

02:03:20.000 A Wookiee. 1.00

02:03:22.000 They also have the other thing that's really fascinating is giants.

02:03:22.000 Yeah.

02:03:26.000 There is a lot of ancient cultures have stories about giants.

02:03:32.000 And Native American tribes have ancient stories of giant red-haired men, which, you know, God, it's in the Bible.

02:03:43.000 It's in a bunch of, okay, 40 to 50 separate terms across different languages and regions.

02:03:48.000 Hairy, wild, giant man.

02:03:51.000 No single agreed upon count, but dozens of distinct Native American names for hairy, wild, giant man beings.

02:03:57.000 Easily over 40 to 50 separate terms across different languages and regions.

02:04:03.000 Interesting.

02:04:04.000 I still, I would love to see the clip eventually of Jane Goodall saying, I believe in Bigfoot.

02:04:08.000 Why she's saying that she's like, I'm open to the idea of it.

02:04:11.000 She's saying that is because he had exactly because he had seen the previous interview.

02:04:18.000 See if we can find another interview with her talking about Bigfoot.

02:04:21.000 She was awesome.

02:04:22.000 You know, she's the reason I have a career. 0.92

02:04:26.000 Really?

02:04:27.000 Her being awesome.

02:04:28.000 It's two stories I tell people.

02:04:30.000 I go, first of all, because everyone goes, what's Joe Rogan like?

02:04:33.000 And I know, it's true, because everyone wants to know, and you're controversial.

02:04:37.000 And so I always go, he's the nicest fucking guy in the world.

02:04:39.000 I go, I said the first time I came, you sent me a message and you said something about like, hey, don't worry about a thing.

02:04:43.000 Like, I'm even going to bring my dog.

02:04:44.000 Like, it was very nice.

02:04:46.000 It was a little pat on the back.

02:04:47.000 Because you go, Jane Goodall, I went to a talk when I was like 22, something, and I was just writing chapters of my first book, Mother of God, which didn't even have a name yet.

02:04:58.000 And I had chapters in a manila envelope, and I went to a talk that Goodall was giving.

02:05:04.000 And I mean, I'd been read stories and seen the black and white pictures.

02:05:07.000 So this is like, you know, like Einstein, the Abe Lincoln, Jane Goodall, like a living historical figure.

02:05:13.000 And so now she's talking in front of me.

02:05:14.000 And I had brought these chapters and I wanted to ask her because I'd already sent the chapters to publishers.

02:05:19.000 And they'd all been like, kid, none of this is true.

02:05:22.000 You know, no way did you jump on a giant anaconda.

02:05:25.000 No way did you raise an anteater.

02:05:26.000 They just didn't believe me.

02:05:28.000 And then when it was my turn after hundreds of people, I get to her and she goes, hello.

02:05:33.000 She goes, takes a little picture with you.

02:05:35.000 And I said, would you read these chapters?

02:05:37.000 I said, I would love it because I loved your stories as a kid.

02:05:39.000 And she goes, thank you.

02:05:40.000 And she puts it to the side.

02:05:41.000 48 hours later, her staff gets in touch and they go, Jane actually read what you gave her, loved it, and said, finish the book, get a publisher, and I will write you an endorsement.

02:05:54.000 Whoa.

02:05:55.000 She waved her magical wand in my direction and gave me a career. 0.99

02:06:00.000 That's so cool.

02:06:02.000 And what's really great is that earlier this year, I emailed her, and it was because this book was coming out.

02:06:08.000 And I, you know, I said it would be amazing to have, I mean, I said, at this point, no one's, you know, the conservation, the voice of Mother Earth.

02:06:18.000 And she just, you know, she was just, she just said, you know, just keep protecting the Amazon. 0.99

02:06:22.000 That's your mission.

02:06:23.000 She was always very, it was like, you know, Luke, believe in yourself.

02:06:27.000 It was like, you know, she was just like, you, your job is to protect this forest.

02:06:31.000 And it was incredible.

02:06:32.000 That's amazing.

02:06:33.000 And so, yeah, right, right, me, you know, about six months ago, I got to tell her.

02:06:36.000 I was like, look, because the last time I'd spoken to her, we were protecting, I think it was like 100,000 acres.

02:06:43.000 And then in the last year, we added 30,000 acres to the reserve.

02:06:46.000 And so I said, you know, we're making strides forward.

02:06:49.000 And she just, it was good that I got to tell her that.

02:06:51.000 And then, you know, recently we found out that she died.

02:06:56.000 But what a legacy.

02:06:58.000 What a legacy.

02:06:59.000 Yeah, I mean, we know so much about primate behavior because of that woman. 1.00

02:07:04.000 We still know so much about it.

02:07:05.000 I mean, man the tool maker, before her, we said there was humans that used tools.

02:07:11.000 And now we know that, you know, Capuchin monkeys use rocks.

02:07:14.000 We know that otters use rocks.

02:07:16.000 I mean, I've seen elephants use a stick to scratch.

02:07:20.000 I've seen camera chat footage of an elephant using a tree to knock over an electrical fence.

02:07:25.000 Animals use tools.

02:07:27.000 Oh, she was the first one.

02:07:28.000 I mean, she went out there when she was, what, 20-something years old, Middle Africa, blonde girl.

02:07:32.000 Crazy.

02:07:33.000 And then spent the whole rest of her life.

02:07:36.000 But the lesson that I take away from that is that even as famous as she was, that she was traveling 300 days a year.

02:07:43.000 I mean, she'd been an icon for decades and that she still took the time to actually read something that some kid handed to her.

02:07:54.000 That's unfathomable grace to do that.

02:07:58.000 And then literally, if that didn't happen, I never would have published Mother of God.

02:08:02.000 I never would have started Jungle Keepers. 0.99

02:08:05.000 I never would have been protecting the rainforest.

02:08:08.000 She empowered that.

02:08:09.000 She did that with her magic. 0.93

02:08:11.000 And I think that that's incredible.

02:08:12.000 That's so cool.

02:08:14.000 Absolutely incredible.

02:08:15.000 Did you find any other?

02:08:16.000 No?

02:08:18.000 I guarantee it exists.

02:08:20.000 But it's okay.

02:08:20.000 You have to trust me.

02:08:23.000 I don't think she's correct.

02:08:25.000 But I do think, not Bigfoot, but I do think that it's entirely possible that there is a small, hairy, primate-like, human-like primate that exists still.

02:08:40.000 That's like the Hobbit people from the island of Flores. 1.00

02:08:43.000 You know, there's the thing called the Orang Pandek. 0.97

02:08:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:08:47.000 Have you heard of that?

02:08:48.000 The Aurang Pandek, I think Indonesia, perhaps Vietnam, there's a bunch of places that have this creature that gets sighted on multiple occasions.

02:08:48.000 No.

02:09:01.000 And they used to think of it as like just silly legend.

02:09:05.000 But now, because of the discovery, which was, was it in the 90s that they discovered the hobbit people on the island of Flores? 0.97

02:09:15.000 You know about that, right?

02:09:16.000 I've heard of them, yeah.

02:09:17.000 Yeah, Homo.

02:09:18.000 Real siensis, yes.

02:09:20.000 But those are real.

02:09:20.000 We have their bones.

02:09:22.000 Very real.

02:09:23.000 It was a very small-like hobbit-like creature that was a type of primate that was bipedal, that was like a little tiny, hairy human being that lived at least on the island of Flores, but most likely lived in many other places as well.

02:09:43.000 And there's a possibility that it still exists.

02:09:48.000 And it's not me saying this.

02:09:50.000 It's like some actual anthropologists that believe that this thing might still be alive because you're dealing with incredibly small populations.

02:09:58.000 But are those, I mean, are those islands so small that no, like, unlike the Amazon, but like, how could there be a population?

02:10:05.000 It's incredibly dense, incredibly dense forest.

02:10:08.000 And no one's going to be there.

02:10:08.000 It's just down in the bushes.

02:10:10.000 Right.

02:10:10.000 It's like the Tasmanian tiger.

02:10:12.000 I was just going to say that.

02:10:13.000 Like the thylacine, where it's like they're just exactly, exactly.

02:10:16.000 Small population.

02:10:18.000 Like, there's a lot of sightings of the thylacene.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, but somehow all these sightings, it's never clear.

02:10:25.000 No.

02:10:27.000 It's also, there's no one there.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 Here's the thing.

02:10:29.000 I mean, let's pretend that you saw a wolverine in the Montana woods, like dense Montana woods, and it's 100 yards away.

02:10:39.000 You see it briefly for a second, get your phone.

02:10:41.000 You're not going to, you might have seen it.

02:10:43.000 You might have seen it traveling between the trees.

02:10:45.000 But, like, how are you going to get it off your phone?

02:10:47.000 You're going to have to, unless you have a Samsung, where you have a really good Zoom, you're not going to be able to zoom in enough.

02:10:52.000 You know, like, you'd have to have a few phones that are good.

02:10:55.000 Yeah, you're not going to get good footage, but we know that wolverines are real.

02:10:59.000 But finding a wolverine in the woods, I've talked to, God, I've talked to hundreds of men who spend a giant portion of their life in the woods, and only a few have seen wolverines.

02:11:11.000 I would love to see a wolverine.

02:11:13.000 But how about mountain lions?

02:11:14.000 They're everywhere.

02:11:15.000 I've only seen three of them in my entire life.

02:11:18.000 That's why.

02:11:19.000 But I've probably been around a hundred of them and not known it.

02:11:23.000 You know, that's the reaction we got with the tribes: if you look at uncontacted tribes, I mean, my whole life, you look at photos of uncontacted tribes, it was like blurry, crappy, because who was out there?

02:11:36.000 It's like a logger.

02:11:37.000 Or it was somebody running.

02:11:37.000 Right.

02:11:39.000 Right.

02:11:39.000 And even when I saw them the first time when I was out on a solo, it was 10 days deep in the jungle.

02:11:45.000 I saw them and I ran for my life.

02:11:46.000 And everyone went, you didn't see them.

02:11:48.000 I mean, I don't mind that.

02:11:50.000 If I have pics or it didn't happen.

02:11:51.000 Right.

02:11:52.000 Right.

02:11:53.000 And so with this, when we started, when we started actually showing people what we had, it was like, this has never been.

02:11:59.000 It's like a vision into the Stone Age.

02:12:03.000 Right.

02:12:03.000 I mean, like, really, not even the Stone Age.

02:12:06.000 Like, they're not using stone tools.

02:12:08.000 They're using sharpened sticks.

02:12:09.000 Yeah.

02:12:10.000 I showed it to an anthropologist and he was saying, you know, Stone Age isn't necessarily accurate here.

02:12:15.000 He said, because they're not using stone.

02:12:17.000 They don't have clay pots.

02:12:18.000 He goes, this is something.

02:12:19.000 This is.

02:12:20.000 But I mean, then think about it.

02:12:22.000 It's actually like a time machine because you're, and we were standing across the river, look talking to these people, and it's like, you guys are a couple thousand years back.

02:12:32.000 And so it's like, this is such a strange aperture into history.

02:12:35.000 It's not even a couple.

02:12:36.000 Maybe like 30, 40.

02:12:38.000 Maybe.

02:12:40.000 I feel like somehow to me, the number seems like two.

02:12:43.000 But it's like, you know, we were.

02:12:45.000 We were like little tribes.

02:12:46.000 Yeah, but 2,000 years ago, the Egyptian pyramids were already 2,500 years old.

02:12:51.000 That's true.

02:12:52.000 That's true.

02:12:52.000 But I mean, again, civilization isn't homogenous, right?

02:12:56.000 Like different corporations.

02:12:58.000 Well, obviously, there's uncontacted tribes still right now.

02:13:01.000 Yes.

02:13:02.000 That's what's crazy.

02:13:03.000 Yeah.

02:13:03.000 It's like a man with a cell phone from the future filmed people that are.

02:13:09.000 It felt like that.

02:13:09.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:13:10.000 It felt like this was like a back to the future moment where it's like, you know, this is, they have no idea.

02:13:15.000 And my people, thinking of everyone else back home, I was like, don't realize that these people are still out there in the jungle living like this.

02:13:25.000 Right.

02:13:25.000 And probably in the dense, dense, dense forest.

02:13:28.000 There's probably many more of them.

02:13:30.000 There are many more of them.

02:13:31.000 In fact, while we were watching them out front, there was a terrifying moment where we heard something behind us, and it was, which we never saw them, but the women came lightfoot in behind, and they pulled up all the yucca and the bananas and they were raiding.

02:13:45.000 And so for a second, we were like, there's an ambush.

02:13:47.000 And everyone was like turning the shotguns away from the river.

02:13:50.000 And they were like, we thought there was going to be arrows flying.

02:13:52.000 So like, my guy Ignacio grabbed me and like put me down.

02:13:56.000 And we were hiding behind trees waiting for it.

02:13:58.000 And it was like, no, no, no.

02:13:59.000 They're just stealing all of the fruit and all of the crops.

02:14:02.000 And they just raided our whole village.

02:14:05.000 Wow.

02:14:06.000 But I really, I really did feel like, you know, like you, you go, imagine what it would be like to go back and see the Comanches, watch them riding across the plains after the buffalo.

02:14:14.000 And it's like, we can't.

02:14:15.000 But in this case, they were right there.

02:14:18.000 Right.

02:14:19.000 And now, and now that these videos are going out across the world, it's like, look, we're trying to explain to people.

02:14:26.000 You know, first of all, there's a lot of those, you know, you know exactly what kind of people they're like, leave them alone.

02:14:30.000 And it's like, literally, we're the people trying to make sure that they get left alone.

02:14:34.000 Like, that's our case.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, you got to ignore those folks.

02:14:36.000 Yeah.

02:14:37.000 Especially you.

02:14:38.000 You're not the type of person that's interfering with their life at all.

02:14:41.000 No.

02:14:41.000 And by giving them the bananas, you're literally helping them.

02:14:45.000 Well, and again, I was a witness.

02:14:46.000 That was happening between the tribes and the tribes.

02:14:49.000 Right, right.

02:14:49.000 And so, and so, but, but, you know, for all the indigenous cultures that have been destroyed in the last few centuries, we can do it right for once.

02:15:01.000 We can actually respect these people.

02:15:03.000 If they want to come out, they can come out.

02:15:05.000 If they want to adapt, they can.

02:15:07.000 But they need to have forests to live in in order to make that decision.

02:15:11.000 Right.

02:15:12.000 And so that's where it's like.

02:15:13.000 How can they make an informed decision?

02:15:16.000 How can they adapt?

02:15:17.000 I mean, I think the step is so crazy.

02:15:19.000 I think it'd be slow.

02:15:20.000 I think it'd be a few more banana exchanges, maybe without the arrow shot afterwards.

02:15:26.000 And then maybe it starts to be like, okay, you guys can come here.

02:15:29.000 Maybe the communities teach them how to grow bananas.

02:15:32.000 Maybe they don't want to come, but they want a few things.

02:15:35.000 Maybe they want a couple of machetes because it'll just help.

02:15:38.000 And they want to keep to themselves, maybe.

02:15:40.000 But I mean, other than them, the thought of the most uncontacted people is North Sentinel Island.

02:15:47.000 And North Sentinel Island, the interesting part of that is one of the reasons why they're so distrustful of people is because they had been contacted in the 1800s.

02:15:56.000 Bad.

02:15:57.000 Yeah, by a fucking pervert.

02:15:58.000 There was a guy named Commander Maurice Vidal Portman, who was a explorer/slash pervert.

02:16:06.000 And the reason why I say that is like this guy had like weird journal logs where he's like, this one has testicles the size of a sparrow's egg.

02:16:15.000 Like he would dress them up like Roman soldiers and take pictures of them.

02:16:19.000 They kidnapped a few of them and then they gave a bunch of people the flu and a bunch of people died.

02:16:24.000 And so they had this immense distrust for people because of this guy and his explorations onto that island.

02:16:32.000 That island and other islands like it.

02:16:35.000 So they don't have a written language, right?

02:16:37.000 These people, there's no evidence they have fire.

02:16:39.000 So there's this story of these, because it's an incredibly wet environment.

02:16:44.000 So they have these stories that they probably have these oral traditions of these white people that come and fuck up everything. 1.00

02:16:52.000 So when someone shows up on a boat, like there's been a few instances where people were killed by that missionary a few years back.

02:16:59.000 But not just him.

02:17:00.000 There was a boat that sank there.

02:17:03.000 So it washed ashore and sank.

02:17:05.000 And they were headed to go kill those people when they were rescued.

02:17:10.000 And now we've spotted them.

02:17:12.000 We, people have spotted them with metal.

02:17:15.000 And they believe the metal they got was salvaged from the boats.

02:17:19.000 So they got pieces of metal.

02:17:20.000 Yeah.

02:17:21.000 So this is the boat that shipwrecked in 1981.

02:17:27.000 A cargo ship named the Primrose ran aground on the coral reef surrounding North Sentinel.

02:17:32.000 The crew radioed for assistance and settled for a long wait, but in the morning they saw 50 men with bows on the beach building makeshift boats to swim out to them and fuck them up.

02:17:42.000 Yeah, I mean, they have a severe distrust, obviously, of people.

02:17:47.000 So I was on the Undaman Islands, which is right next to these.

02:17:50.000 That guy, respectable lawyer on Twitter, he's the one I got the information from.

02:17:54.000 He documented the whole story of, if you scroll all the way up, he'll talk about that guy, Maurice Vidal Portman.

02:17:59.000 See, look at that's the guy.

02:18:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:02.000 So that fucking creep.

02:18:04.000 Look at him.

02:18:05.000 He looks like a pervert.

02:18:06.000 So he's hanging out with him.

02:18:07.000 They should have known he was a pervert.

02:18:09.000 Look at him.

02:18:10.000 Lawyers dressed.

02:18:11.000 They probably wonderful testicles. 0.96

02:18:12.000 They probably didn't want to profile him.

02:18:14.000 So that's the dude.

02:18:14.000 Yeah.

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:16.000 He's from the English Royal Navy.

02:18:18.000 Yeah.

02:18:19.000 Portman.

02:18:20.000 Maurice Vidal Portman.

02:18:22.000 Yeah.

02:18:23.000 Dude, those guys look good.

02:18:24.000 Look at these guys fucking thrown.

02:18:26.000 Those guys be doing some sit-ups.

02:18:28.000 Well, they're out there hustling.

02:18:30.000 I went to the Andaman Islands, which is right out there.

02:18:32.000 That's where he originally landed.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:34.000 And if you want to feel like you fell off the face of the earth, you go to the Andaman Islands.

02:18:37.000 First of all, beautiful.

02:18:39.000 You can only, I think if you still like this, you can only get there from the Indian city of Chennai or Calcutta because it's an Indian territory.

02:18:46.000 They limit who can travel there.

02:18:48.000 And there's, I mean, they've brought elephants there because they didn't used to have bulldozers and stuff.

02:18:55.000 So the British brought elephants by boat, and there's these old archival photos of them lifting off of like pirate ships, lifting elephants on the rigging, and then putting them in the island.

02:19:06.000 Now the Andaman Islands have elephants.

02:19:09.000 And there's still people riding around on the elephants, you know, like moving trees off the road and doing things.

02:19:09.000 Whoa.

02:19:14.000 That's crazy.

02:19:14.000 But when you go from one place to the other place, exactly what you said, because they don't want human safaris, because they want to protect these indigenous people, you have to go with a police escort to cross the island because you have to go through an event.

02:19:28.000 The police watch you like a hawk.

02:19:30.000 And I take a picture of everything.

02:19:32.000 I take 300 pictures a day on my phone.

02:19:35.000 Look at that.

02:19:36.000 See if you can see elephants being lifted off of ships.

02:19:40.000 There's a bunch of pictures here that are crazy.

02:19:41.000 They're pulling logs.

02:19:42.000 I mean, but this is, you know, elephants moving logs happens all the time, but there's literally a picture of the elephants up on the riggings.

02:19:49.000 Wow.

02:19:50.000 And, but man, you drive through areas where there's just these tiny little people with bows and arrows, and they're still out there.

02:19:58.000 I got to go swimming with an elephant there.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:00.000 Wow.

02:20:02.000 Look at the elephant swimming.

02:20:02.000 That's so dope.

02:20:04.000 How cool is that?

02:20:05.000 Yeah.

02:20:05.000 Wow.

02:20:06.000 That's fucking awesome.

02:20:08.000 There you go.

02:20:08.000 Look at that.

02:20:09.000 That's them.

02:20:09.000 That's nuts.

02:20:10.000 Lifting the elephant.

02:20:11.000 Like, what the fuck am I doing in the air?

02:20:13.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:20:14.000 Do you have to blindfold him?

02:20:15.000 No, he's not blindfolded.

02:20:17.000 I mean, he's painted.

02:20:17.000 You know, he probably should have.

02:20:20.000 But maybe the elephant would freak out. 0.79

02:20:23.000 Elephants.

02:20:24.000 Boy, it takes so much for an elephant to freak out and fucking kill people.

02:20:28.000 There's a horrible video of this guy abusing an elephant.

02:20:31.000 Like, he's a trainer, and he's like, keeps walking the elephant.

02:20:34.000 Then the elephant goes, that's enough.

02:20:36.000 And just stomps him into a pancake. 1.00

02:20:36.000 Yep. 1.00

02:20:38.000 Yep.

02:20:39.000 Or that video I sent you with the tiger, the one, the tiger.

02:20:42.000 Which one?

02:20:43.000 Where the tiger mauls the guy, and you're like, that's terrible.

02:20:46.000 And then the second shot is they show the guy and he's still alive, but he's got slashes down to his skull.

02:20:46.000 He kills him.

02:20:55.000 Just don't.

02:20:56.000 I mean, these animals are, you just don't push them.

02:20:59.000 Yeah.

02:21:00.000 Especially not an elephant.

02:21:01.000 Well, human beings just want to fuck with everything.

02:21:03.000 That's part of why we're on every fucking square inch of the earth, practically.

02:21:08.000 We want to fuck with everything.

02:21:10.000 You know, we're the weirdest animal ever because we're on every fucking continent.

02:21:13.000 We're everywhere.

02:21:15.000 There's not another animal like us.

02:21:17.000 No.

02:21:18.000 No.

02:21:18.000 And, you know, all of us came from Africa, which is even nuttier, right?

02:21:22.000 So we emanated from Africa and just spread out all over the world as soon as we figured out how to float.

02:21:28.000 As soon as we got a hike and how to wear warm clothes, we just kept moving.

02:21:32.000 And now are we going to figure out how to not destroy the systems that keep us alive?

02:21:37.000 Right.

02:21:38.000 And now we're talking about doing the same thing on other planets.

02:21:42.000 We're talking about it.

02:21:43.000 But way before we start worrying about other planets, I want to make sure that this planet works.

02:21:47.000 I mean, I'm just, I'm so, every, I'm just, it drives me crazy how quickly everyone's going.

02:21:52.000 I just, when I come back to society, so quickly we're like, it's on people's minds.

02:21:58.000 They're talking about this stuff.

02:22:00.000 And I'm going, guys, the ocean is filled with trash.

02:22:03.000 Like, the Amazon is burning.

02:22:04.000 I'm like, can we just fix this?

02:22:06.000 And there's areas where we have.

02:22:07.000 I mean, you know this, like they brought wolves back to Yellowstone.

02:22:10.000 Like New York's waters are getting cleaner.

02:22:11.000 The humpbacks are coming back. 0.98

02:22:13.000 But everyone's so, I mean, but we haven't actually, when we get to Mars, talk about it all day.

02:22:19.000 But it's like until then, I just feel like we are so overwhelmed with serious problems here and the last chance in history to fix those problems.

02:22:29.000 So there's an amazing opportunity.

02:22:31.000 And I feel like people are so like this modern nothingness that people feel where it's like, oh, it's the end of times.

02:22:38.000 And it's like, dude, this is the most exciting time.

02:22:40.000 You can fly everywhere.

02:22:41.000 You've got information at your fingertips.

02:22:43.000 There's more people than ever before working to make good in the world, to help people, to save animals, to restore ecosystems.

02:22:50.000 And it's like, so I get confused when I come back from what I feel is like battle.

02:22:54.000 And I'm on this mission for 20 years to do this one thing.

02:22:58.000 And people are like, I'm just scrambled and delirious.

02:23:00.000 And I'm like, go outside.

02:23:03.000 Take off your phone.

02:23:04.000 Put your phone down.

02:23:05.000 Go to the mountains.

02:23:06.000 That John Muir thing, I'm, you know, to the mountains, the mountains are calling, and I must go.

02:23:10.000 Like, go.

02:23:11.000 Close your phone.

02:23:12.000 Go touch grass for a while.

02:23:14.000 Actually, that was one of the favorite.

02:23:15.000 I forget what I posted a video of me with this huge anaconda around me, and I'm holding her head as a 20-foot anaconda.

02:23:21.000 One of the comments is this guy who was like, Dude, you've touched enough grass.

02:23:24.000 Go back inside.

02:23:26.000 Go watch Netflix.

02:23:27.000 Yeah, he's like, That's enough.

02:23:31.000 The opposite.

02:23:31.000 You've gone too far.

02:23:33.000 You've gone too far.

02:23:34.000 Interesting use of free will.

02:23:36.000 What is fascinating to me when people are trying to save things, and by saving things, they don't realize that they're actually fucking things up far worse than saving them.

02:23:44.000 Well, there's a good example.

02:23:47.000 I think it's the Mojave Desert, where they just now, California and all their infinite wisdom, decided to build this immense solar farm out in the desert.

02:23:59.000 I saved it.

02:23:59.000 I'll send it to you, Jamie.

02:24:01.000 It is so crazy.

02:24:02.000 So they decided to build this immense solar farm.

02:24:04.000 It turns out this solar farm, because it's got mirrors that point towards these solar panels, it's incinerating 6,000 birds a year, incinerating 6,000 birds a fucking year, which is like, what does that even mean?

02:24:25.000 Like, how is that even so?

02:24:27.000 It's a death ray.

02:24:28.000 A fucking death ray.

02:24:30.000 God, I know I saved it.

02:24:31.000 Where did I save it?

02:24:32.000 I got it, though.

02:24:32.000 Oh, you got it?

02:24:33.000 I mean, I don't know which article you got.

02:24:35.000 It's okay.

02:24:36.000 Pull up any of the articles.

02:24:38.000 But I mean, when you look at it, it heats up to a thousand fucking degrees.

02:24:46.000 The Mojave Desert.

02:24:47.000 Yeah.

02:24:48.000 They just shut it down.

02:24:49.000 So it's concentrated sunlight.

02:24:50.000 Solar power towers use mirrors to focus sunlight onto a receiver, creating extremely high temperature.

02:24:56.000 But the problem is they're fucking killing birds like a motherfucker.

02:25:00.000 Just like those ugly windmill farms. 0.90

02:25:03.000 Those things are a blight on the face of the earth.

02:25:06.000 When you drive to South Texas, a buddy of mine has a ranch down there.

02:25:10.000 Solar, look at that. 0.72

02:25:12.000 A Mojave Desert solar plant kills 6,000 birds a year.

02:25:15.000 That's from 2016.

02:25:15.000 I think that did.

02:25:17.000 They just recently shut it down.

02:25:19.000 They've spent billions on this fucking thing.

02:25:20.000 And it's not generating nearly the amount of solar power that they were hoping.

02:25:24.000 It turns birds into fucking fireballs instantly.

02:25:28.000 But when you drive down to South Texas, they have these, that's what it looks like.

02:25:32.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:25:33.000 Look at that.

02:25:34.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:25:35.000 Yeah, we got to stop spreading out.

02:25:36.000 We're so stupid.

02:25:37.000 We got to stop spreading out.

02:25:38.000 But that's like, who said that's a good idea?

02:25:40.000 And counterintuitively, nuclear power is like the best for the environment.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:46.000 Which is people think, no, Three Mile Island.

02:25:48.000 No.

02:25:49.000 They got to skew it.

02:25:50.000 They just call it something else.

02:25:52.000 If you just rebrand it.

02:25:53.000 Well, they just have to realize that the old new, like the Fukushima plants, and they fucked the whole area up forever. 0.99

02:25:59.000 Those are old.

02:26:00.000 That's a plant that I think went live in the 1970s.

02:26:03.000 Like the new technology, you can have solar power and it's, or excuse me, nuclear power and it's clean.

02:26:10.000 But I think people are scared of the word nuclear.

02:26:12.000 I'm saying if you came out and you called it like a something-something plant, we got to get over it.

02:26:17.000 We've got to get over that hump, you know, but that's it's just human beings, but there's this constant battle, right?

02:26:26.000 There's a battle of good and evil.

02:26:28.000 Yes, there is.

02:26:29.000 And there's also a battle of ignorance and information.

02:26:33.000 And it goes back and forth.

02:26:34.000 And the only way to educate people is sometimes you have these brave people that are responding to this intense amount of ignorance.

02:26:42.000 And they have to go out there and say, no, that's not it.

02:26:45.000 It's this.

02:26:46.000 And this is huge societal narrative, this huge cultural narrative that they have to fight against.

02:26:52.000 Which is almost impossible to undo.

02:26:54.000 I mean, when you realize there's something that everybody has wrong, or you realize that there's something that the amount, because then you got to get the message to everybody.

02:27:02.000 How do you do that?

02:27:03.000 Then you got to make them care about it.

02:27:05.000 And I mean, it's just, it's wild too.

02:27:08.000 But that's us.

02:27:09.000 That's the battle.

02:27:10.000 There's always this like, I think you need those things in order for us to push progress.

02:27:14.000 You need something to fight against.

02:27:17.000 Like, think about where you would be if you didn't have this thing to push against.

02:27:22.000 Like, there's, it's not that the thing is good, but it is bad, but it creates good people that push against it.

02:27:28.000 And this is the constant battle of the human spirit.

02:27:31.000 We're always engaged in this battle to right wrongs and to figure things out and to make things better that are bad.

02:27:39.000 And then to realize that, oh, we're making it way worse.

02:27:41.000 Someone has to come along and course correct.

02:27:44.000 And then, you know, it's usually a few brave people that are pushing back against this tidal wave of negativity and ignorance.

02:27:51.000 The tidal wave of negativity is wild.

02:27:54.000 The grief is just, it's like a poison pedaled by the darkness.

02:27:59.000 It's like they want you sad and disoriented.

02:28:02.000 And I just feel like so many people now, when I come back, they're downtrodden by just the buzz of the news.

02:28:09.000 Yeah.

02:28:10.000 And I'm like, listen, choose something that you care about and work on it.

02:28:15.000 Or just pick that one.

02:28:16.000 Be the good you want to see in the world.

02:28:17.000 Be the good you want to see in the world.

02:28:19.000 And it's like I'm in this unique position because I'm contacted now all day long by people that want to help us protect the rainforest, people who want to use that blueprint to do it somewhere else.

02:28:31.000 And we're on the cusp of doing this.

02:28:33.000 So I'm surrounded by, I get a lot of positive people with innovations, people with ideas, people.

02:28:39.000 I mean, even, you know, everyone says, oh, why can't the billionaires?

02:28:41.000 And it's like, we get people who have money and they come in and they're like, I'll help you get that piece of land.

02:28:46.000 That'll be protected.

02:28:47.000 And so I get reinforced all the time.

02:28:50.000 People go, the world's going to shit.

02:28:51.000 And I'm like, the world's amazing.

02:28:53.000 People are helping.

02:28:54.000 Yeah.

02:28:55.000 You know, and it's like, I've seen so much good done.

02:28:58.000 It really is all what you're focusing on.

02:29:00.000 If you're focusing on, that's the very thing, unique thing about today is that you're inundated with so much information.

02:29:08.000 And we generally tend to gravitate towards the things that are terrifying and the things that are dangerous, that scare us.

02:29:15.000 And so you're paying attention to the news of literally 8 billion people.

02:29:21.000 Which is not natural.

02:29:22.000 It's not normal.

02:29:23.000 We're supposed to know about our village and maybe the next village.

02:29:26.000 And so like, that's one thing, you know, I had a friend, you know, did you hear about the flood that happened in Bangladesh?

02:29:26.000 Right.

02:29:32.000 I was like, what do you, you know, my sympathy, but like, there's always a flood happen.

02:29:36.000 The world is gigantic.

02:29:37.000 There's 8 billion people.

02:29:39.000 Right.

02:29:39.000 And so like, you know, there's only so much you can pay attention to.

02:29:41.000 There's so much you can pay attention to.

02:29:43.000 But if you have a phone, all the bad stuff is coming into your pocket.

02:29:48.000 Yeah.

02:29:48.000 And I think a lot of the, it's funny because a lot of the people, like the adults are, are, people are worried about the kids.

02:29:55.000 I think the adults are worse.

02:29:57.000 Yeah.

02:29:58.000 Yeah.

02:29:58.000 A lot of them.

02:29:59.000 And a lot of them, they're searching for meaning.

02:30:02.000 And so they find meaning in activism or in pseudo-activism and yelling about things online.

02:30:11.000 And then maybe going out into the street and screaming at people.

02:30:14.000 And they think that that gives meaning to their life.

02:30:18.000 You know, there's a lot of people that just feel like really lost.

02:30:22.000 And this strange concrete culture, concrete and electronic culture that we've created, it doesn't give you the fulfillment that the natural world does.

02:30:32.000 I mean, I'm sure it's one of the draws that you have to the jungle is that living out there in nature is wildly fulfilling because it's normal.

02:30:45.000 It's like it fills in all the slots that you have evolved to have, like as a human being.

02:30:55.000 We've always lived in coordination with nature up until fairly recently.

02:31:00.000 You know, if human beings have been alive in this form for half a million years, how long have we been in cities?

02:31:05.000 How long have we been in even agriculture?

02:31:05.000 In cities?

02:31:07.000 A few thousand years.

02:31:08.000 Nature-controlled rooms.

02:31:10.000 With a little noise box constantly stressing us out.

02:31:13.000 Also, Wi-Fi and EMF signals.

02:31:15.000 I was just reading this fucking crazy thing.

02:31:17.000 Have you paid attention to this, Jamie, about the 49ers about San Francisco?

02:31:23.000 Isn't that fucking nuts?

02:31:24.000 It could be.

02:31:25.000 Go ahead.

02:31:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:31:26.000 They think it's real.

02:31:28.000 So there's a disproportionate amount of severe catastrophic injuries that come out of San Francisco, and their training facility is right outside this power station.

02:31:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:37.000 Yeah.

02:31:38.000 I mean, way more Achilles tendon blown out.

02:31:43.000 Way more knees blown out.

02:31:45.000 Way more like catastrophic ligament and tendon ruptures.

02:31:50.000 Like, and they've been talking about it since like when the players started talking about it in like 2012, I believe.

02:31:57.000 And people are like, oh, that's nonsense.

02:31:59.000 And now the stats are in, and you're looking at the amount of injuries that come from this area.

02:32:04.000 It's like, it's not normal.

02:32:06.000 No.

02:32:06.000 And so you think, what?

02:32:07.000 If they're getting weakened by the water, by the electricity.

02:32:11.000 Yeah, by the EMF signal.

02:32:14.000 I mean, it's look, EMF signals we know disrupt human beings.

02:32:18.000 But to what extent?

02:32:19.000 Like, to what extent does LED lights, and to what extent?

02:32:23.000 Is it minimal?

02:32:24.000 Do you feel it?

02:32:25.000 Is it not?

02:32:26.000 Does it have a long-term effect?

02:32:27.000 Does it take forever until it actually compounds?

02:32:30.000 But they're looking at the data from this one training facility.

02:32:34.000 So you could find something on it.

02:32:35.000 Because a lot of stories have come out this week about it where people are starting to gather up all the data and they're like, hey, this is not normal.

02:32:43.000 This is a much higher percentage of severe injuries from this one camp, which doesn't make any sense.

02:32:49.000 Well, it's like that Aaron Brockovich thing, where it's like you find a place where a lot of people are getting the same kind of cancer, and it's like, there's a reason.

02:32:56.000 So what does it say here at the top of the article?

02:33:00.000 What's the article say?

02:33:01.000 This is about the whole thing.

02:33:01.000 It's just about it.

02:33:03.000 It explains.

02:33:04.000 So is it true?

02:33:05.000 What is this from?

02:33:06.000 How long ago is this?

02:33:07.000 Two weeks ago?

02:33:08.000 Yes, two days ago.

02:33:09.000 Okay.

02:33:10.000 The injury conspiracy theory.

02:33:12.000 And is it true?

02:33:13.000 So what is this?

02:33:16.000 This is USA Today, which is like, you know, just skipped ahead to the.

02:33:21.000 The so-called mechanisms have not been established.

02:33:24.000 Many of the experiments are contradictory.

02:33:26.000 Many of the experiments of exposures don't relate specifically to 50 to 60 hertz magnetic fields.

02:33:32.000 It's a topic that will likely resurface.

02:33:34.000 There are any major injuries during the Super Bowl at Levi Stadium February 8th in Santa Clara.

02:33:40.000 Is Santa Clara near there?

02:33:41.000 That's where they play the game.

02:33:42.000 That's where they play the game.

02:33:43.000 But is that the training facility?

02:33:45.000 The idea is that it's near the training facility.

02:33:47.000 And I don't know, that's, again, that's this is.

02:33:47.000 Right.

02:33:50.000 So that's where the electrical substation is, and there's the field.

02:33:53.000 I mean, cut the shit.

02:33:55.000 Whoa.

02:33:56.000 So it's literally radiating onto them.

02:33:56.000 That can't be good.

02:33:58.000 That can't be good.

02:34:00.000 But I don't think it's going to affect the game.

02:34:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:34:03.000 I think it's like being there all the time, practicing there all the time is what's going to weaken their bodies.

02:34:10.000 Checking, I don't know.

02:34:11.000 I don't, unless that's where they practice, I don't see a large practice for them.

02:34:14.000 Well, look at the fucking multi-use fields.

02:34:16.000 I know they don't practice on those fields generally, right?

02:34:18.000 But they use the fields.

02:34:19.000 I mean, they must practice there.

02:34:20.000 It could be, this could just be a park.

02:34:22.000 That's why I got to look up where they practice.

02:34:23.000 Right, right, right.

02:34:24.000 LA Rams don't practice next to SoFi Stadium.

02:34:27.000 I can't imagine it's good for you.

02:34:29.000 I mean, there's also, okay, we'll find this out.

02:34:32.000 Is there any truth to power lines and people living under power lines having increased rates of cancer?

02:34:40.000 Because I've heard that that's true.

02:34:42.000 I mean, in environmental college, that was there's numerous giant class action lawsuits for people that were living under high-tension power lines.

02:34:42.000 Yeah.

02:34:51.000 And I mean, I actually knew someone who, I mean, I've been to the places where I did for my senior project I was doing where we went to the areas where they were fracking.

02:35:00.000 Remember that documentary where they were lighting the water?

02:35:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:35:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:03.000 Gasland.

02:35:04.000 Yeah.

02:35:04.000 Great documentary.

02:35:05.000 Yeah.

02:35:05.000 And those people were screaming.

02:35:07.000 They're trying to get the attention to say, this is not good.

02:35:10.000 And of course, the companies come in and they go, we'll give you $2 million if we let us drill on your land.

02:35:14.000 And these are people that could need the money.

02:35:16.000 Right.

02:35:17.000 And then a few years later, all of their kids have cancer.

02:35:21.000 Pull that back up again, please.

02:35:23.000 So we put it into our sponsor, Perplexity.

02:35:25.000 There's some limited evidence, a small increase in childhood leukemia risk, very close, high-voltage power lines.

02:35:31.000 But overall, the lick is weak, not clearly causal.

02:35:35.000 And typically, residential exposures are considered within safety guidelines.

02:35:39.000 See, the thing is, it's like, who is one of the things about Perplexity or any large language model is you've got to get the information from online and who's publishing this information.

02:35:51.000 So it's like there's only so much of it that's available, but possibly carcinogenic is a weak category.

02:36:01.000 So parcel, so it says International Agency for Research and Cancer classifies extremely low frequency magnetic fields like those from power lines as possibly carcinogenic to humans, mainly because of the childhood leukemia data.

02:36:15.000 Fuck that, dude.

02:36:16.000 That's wild.

02:36:18.000 Yeah, just fuck that.

02:36:21.000 I would never buy a house near them.

02:36:22.000 What are you looking for?

02:36:23.000 I'm just, I just realized what that is.

02:36:25.000 It's a molar.

02:36:25.000 Yep.

02:36:26.000 Yeah.

02:36:26.000 This is from my buddy John Reese from Alaska.

02:36:29.000 Yeah.

02:36:29.000 That's that guy.

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:30.000 That's incredible.

02:36:31.000 Actually, no, this one is from Colossal.

02:36:33.000 So that's a company that's bringing the woolly mammoth back.

02:36:37.000 Those guys.

02:36:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:36:38.000 This piece is from my buddy John Reese.

02:36:40.000 That's a more that's cool.

02:36:42.000 Yeah, that's a tooth that's cool.

02:36:44.000 But that's how many of them they have that they could that they're just starting to make it into art.

02:36:48.000 Yeah.

02:36:49.000 Well, I have a pool cue that has woolly mammoth ivory in it.

02:36:52.000 Dude, look at that. 0.67

02:36:53.000 Look at that.

02:36:53.000 That nose that nuts.

02:36:54.000 And that is so beautiful.

02:36:56.000 Something 10,000 years ago used that to mash down vegetables. 0.52

02:37:00.000 Wow, that is a gorgeous piece.

02:37:02.000 You know about the boneyard, right?

02:37:03.000 Yeah, no, you were the first time you told me all about it.

02:37:06.000 Incredible place.

02:37:07.000 Shout out to my boy John Reeves.

02:37:09.000 Yeah, I would love to go there.

02:37:11.000 Oh, you should, dude.

02:37:12.000 I would love to.

02:37:12.000 That's pretty incredible.

02:37:14.000 Oh, fascinating.

02:37:14.000 Yeah, the colossal guys have been up there.

02:37:17.000 Quite a few people have been up there to explore.

02:37:19.000 I think either Grant, no, Randall, did Randall Carlson go up there?

02:37:23.000 I think he's either gone there or is going there.

02:37:25.000 Yeah, you got to make the intro for me.

02:37:27.000 I would love to go see that.

02:37:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:37:29.000 I'll set that up.

02:37:30.000 He's always trying to get me to go out there, too.

02:37:31.000 I just don't have the time.

02:37:32.000 But what a phenomenal place.

02:37:34.000 By the way, he's found a new site.

02:37:36.000 He's found a new site up there that has more bones.

02:37:39.000 Yeah, I mean, you're talking about an area that's only about four to six acres that he's been exploring.

02:37:45.000 And he's got other deposits, right?

02:37:47.000 It's like massive deposits, thousands of animals, including animals that weren't even supposed to be there.

02:37:54.000 Yeah.

02:37:54.000 That's so cool.

02:37:55.000 Crazy.

02:37:56.000 And a thick layer of carbon that indicates that fucking place was on fire.

02:38:02.000 Yeah.

02:38:03.000 I mean, when you find fossils in the wild, there's nothing like finding fossils.

02:38:07.000 I remember the first time I found like a little shell.

02:38:09.000 And then, like I said, not that long ago, we found like a seven-foot turtle shell, thick, thick, thick, like black, fossilized in the river basin in the Amazon.

02:38:19.000 The river was especially low, and it was just, you know, it was half out, like a crashed alien spaceship.

02:38:23.000 Like, it was just this huge thing.

02:38:25.000 And it was like, you get this sense.

02:38:27.000 You get that tactile, visceral sense of like, whoa, these used to be here.

02:38:33.000 You know what they found in China recently?

02:38:35.000 They found dinosaur eggs that the inside of them is all crystals now.

02:38:35.000 What'd they find?

02:38:40.000 Oh.

02:38:41.000 It's crystallized.

02:38:42.000 Is it through the crystallized baby velociraptor?

02:38:45.000 No, it's just basically all crystals.

02:38:47.000 Like a geode.

02:38:47.000 Just crystals.

02:38:48.000 Yeah.

02:38:49.000 But it's a dinosaur egg.

02:38:51.000 It's just over millions and millions of years.

02:38:54.000 They're probably making art out of that right now.

02:38:55.000 I don't know what they're doing with it.

02:38:57.000 I think it's fairly recent that this discovery, at least the article that I read, was fairly recent about it, but it's just crazy.

02:39:04.000 So much cool shit.

02:39:05.000 Oh, there's so much cool shit in the world.

02:39:07.000 We're on such a cool planet.

02:39:08.000 So here it is.

02:39:08.000 70 million-year-old dinosaur egg contains surprising, a sparkling crystal.

02:39:14.000 Surprise.

02:39:15.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:39:18.000 It's turned into crystal.

02:39:18.000 That was a dinosaur egg.

02:39:20.000 Grapefruit-sized dinosaur egg from a fossil bed in China.

02:39:23.000 Gave paleontologists a huge surprise.

02:39:25.000 Rather than a dinosaur embryo or sediment, it was filled with sparkling crystals of calcite lining the inner shell.

02:39:32.000 A natural dinosaur geode.

02:39:34.000 A rare occurrence provides researchers with unique information on the structure of the shell.

02:39:38.000 In this case, a never-before-seen ooze species, O-O-S-O-O-O species, species of egg named, oh boy, good luck pronouncing that.

02:39:50.000 Identified in 22 paper led by paleontologist Quing Hei of Anhui University in China.

02:39:58.000 Not only that, it's among the first dinosaur eggs or evidence of any dinosaurs for that matter found in the roughly 70 million year old Upper Cretaceous Christian formation of the Kuishan Basin.

02:40:13.000 Wow.

02:40:15.000 That's insane.

02:40:16.000 Fucking A, man.

02:40:17.000 Dinosaur eggs that are filled with, look at that.

02:40:20.000 Crystals.

02:40:22.000 Beautiful.

02:40:23.000 I mean, it looks like a geode.

02:40:24.000 It's a dinosaur egg.

02:40:25.000 Nuts.

02:40:26.000 That's insane.

02:40:27.000 Nuts.

02:40:28.000 That's wild.

02:40:29.000 Yeah.

02:40:29.000 The world's a wild place, my brother.

02:40:30.000 The world is a really wild place.

02:40:31.000 You know more than anybody.

02:40:32.000 Well, that's what.

02:40:34.000 I've been trying to see as much of it as I can and save as much of it as I can.

02:40:37.000 It's been well.

02:40:39.000 I'm glad you're out there, and I'm glad you're still alive because you freak me out every now and then when you send me messages that I'm worried about your safety.

02:40:44.000 And I need someone to train me to use a gun.

02:40:47.000 I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.

02:40:49.000 Oh, we're dealing with the narco people. 1.00

02:40:50.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:40:52.000 Well, we're closer than we've ever had been.

02:40:55.000 Thank you for how much you've been able to help us get that message out.

02:40:59.000 This book is 20 years of the wildest shit.

02:41:03.000 It's the story of Jane and how I met JJ, how we found the anacondas, all the everything that led to this.

02:41:10.000 I mean, how, I mean, you talked about when you started out, I mean, just being a kid and you have a dream.

02:41:17.000 And I mean, I went to the Amazon.

02:41:18.000 I just wanted to see the Amazon.

02:41:20.000 That was the dream.

02:41:21.000 I never in a million years imagined that I'd get to go on these adventures, see these animals.

02:41:26.000 And then now that we're on the cusp of protecting an entire river, I mean, the wildest dreams that me as a kid had couldn't even touch this.

02:41:36.000 And so it's a fun book to be sharing.

02:41:38.000 It's fucking dope, my brother.

02:41:40.000 And the book is Jungle Keeper, What It Takes to Change the World, Paul Rosalie.

02:41:46.000 Available now.

02:41:47.000 Thank you, Michael.

02:41:47.000 Thank you for in there.

02:41:48.000 Thank you.

02:41:49.000 Always great to see you.

02:41:50.000 It's the best.

02:41:50.000 Let's do it again.

02:41:51.000 Thank you, brother.

02:41:52.000 Thank you.

02:41:53.000 All right.

02:41:53.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 20, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2441 - Paul Rosolie

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