On this week's episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the boys talk about the theories surrounding the disappearance of Charlie Chaplin and whether or not the CIA or Mossad are responsible for it. They also discuss the conspiracy theory that Candice Kennedy Shipp is a ghost.
00:03:07.000And he came back in time because his whole thing was like he had to stop the weather patterns from destroying the future because the NIM, an alien race of grays, had come and they were heating up the planet slowly to change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet.
00:03:24.000And, you know, Art Bell, he's always playing into it with the lunatics, you know, and he's like, and does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this?
00:03:50.000That's the funniest episode you'll ever hear.
00:03:51.000So Redneck calls into Art Bell and talks about how he killed Bigfoot and where he buried it.
00:03:56.000And the guy has, it's like, I don't know if it was early trolling, like before trolling was trolling, but it was like this guy, he was like, yeah, you know, me and Timmy, we took him out back there, we shot him right in the chest twice, and there were some young'uns, and they spread out a little bit, and then we, you know, we packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in the backyard.
00:05:45.000He got all the park records, you know, and he started going through and he was like, there's some really weird stuff going on here for how many people were missing in national parks.
00:07:32.000You ever seen like those time-lapse photos where they take a dead animal and they let it sit there and you watch it get consumed by maggots?
00:07:40.000So these poor people that go hiking, you know, like if you go hiking and you're by yourself and you break an ankle and you're 15 miles in and you don't have a compass and you're kind of like roughly judging which hill you came over.
00:07:55.000And there's a lot of people that just get ahead of themselves and they really shouldn't be that far out there and they just die.
00:08:03.000You know, so like this idea that it's like there's you could if you look at all the data and you try to find a pattern to it and you start imagining that there's some grand conspiracy, that some watcher in the woods that's consuming people, some demon that's out there, you can get pretty kooky with the family.
00:10:53.000There's so many different types of life.
00:10:56.000And the fact that they all sort of synchronize, like this one eats that one and that one eats this one and this one lives there and that one lives there.
00:11:04.000It's like it's very fascinating when you really look at the just a wide variety of species that exist.
00:11:10.000Well, most people don't know anything about it.
00:11:14.000We live in such a comfortable world that is completely guarded from everything that's out there.
00:11:23.000And it's like if people had a taste of out there, I think that the worldview of many, many people would change very quickly, especially feminists.
00:11:31.000I think that feminists would immediately stop being feminist if they just had a taste of like, well, you know, people actually did have to shut themselves up at night from wolves.
00:11:56.000Didn't they take it over like in Yellowstone or someplace?
00:11:59.000They reintroduced wolves and it just decimated the deer population.
00:12:02.000Well, the elk population, but that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing in some ways because it was getting to elk need natural predators and mountain lions can only kill so many elk.
00:12:17.000But what's really interesting is mountain lions kill way more elk when wolves are around because the wolves find the mountain lions and take their elk.
00:12:26.000And so then the mountain lions have to go kill another deer or whatever.
00:12:31.000Why like just issue more hunting elk permits though?
00:12:34.000Well, you have to have some natural predators in a good, healthy ecosystem.
00:12:40.000And there's a good argument, particularly in Montana, that at one point in time it had gotten to a point where you're going to have like rampant disease because they were issuing these, they're issuing like unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the midwinter so that you can catch these elk in deep snow and just peck them off because they were having so many of them and that they weren't sustainable, that they were hitting these massive populations.
00:13:07.000So their populations are down to like, I want to say less than 40% of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves.
00:13:16.000But the problem is these wolves, like what they did in Colorado recently is the dumbest of all time because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Aspen and they took wolves from Washington State, Washington State or Oregon, but whatever it was, these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already had been killing cattle.
00:13:38.000So they captured these wolves instead of killing them and then they relocated them to Aspen where they're killing cattle.
00:13:44.000So they relocated them onto my buddy's ranch.
00:14:14.000Yeah, they've been pissed off for like every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off as a native for years because they all used to shoot pheasant.
00:14:23.000That was the big deal in Michigan was pheasant.
00:14:28.000I don't know if it's true or not, right?
00:14:30.000But the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, imported a bunch of Western coyotes in order to thin out the deer population because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops.
00:14:47.000And now that's an all-you-can-eat buffet for a coyote in Nevada, these ground birds that are just these fat, fat little groundbirds, and they decimated the population.
00:14:58.000So you'll talk to these old deer hunters.
00:15:14.000Well, they would always just walk those train tracks, those old abandoned train tracks, you know, and they'd have the dogs, dogs kick up the pheasant, they'd shoot them from the track, dog would ring it up.
00:16:16.000Also, their natural enemy is gray wolves.
00:16:20.000And when they evolved, they evolved to when the gray wolves kill them because the gray wolves don't breed with coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red wolves.
00:16:30.000That's why you have these like koi wolves on the East Coast.
00:16:58.000They have fucking coyotes running around Central Park.
00:17:01.000Some lady this morning posted on X a mountain lion in San Francisco sitting on a porch in the city of San Francisco, a big one, just sitting there.
00:20:19.000First thing he does, he drives up in this car.
00:20:21.000He's in the back seat and he jumps out of the car and he has this shitty lemon smile on his face, you know, and he runs over with Starbucks to these people and he's like, here you go.
00:20:31.000And then he jumps back in the car, right?
00:20:46.000I'm from three states away for this totally organic protest.
00:20:50.000Well, the cops, what they start doing, they have these guardrails on the sidewalk in front of the ICE facility.
00:20:56.000And there's gaps inside of that barrier.
00:20:58.000And so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps so that they stay behind the barrier.
00:21:03.000And Lemon's like, why would they do that?
00:21:06.000Why would they keep us compressed behind this barrier?
00:21:10.000And I'm thinking, because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks, you idiot.
00:21:18.000They want to keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out.
00:21:21.000You literally stopped your car in the middle of the road, ran across the street to give these people Starbucks and then got back in your car.
00:21:28.000And they're like, why is it that they're trying to keep us from getting into the road?
00:31:14.000They knew hundreds of years ago books on how alcohol, you know, what are they, consumption or whatever they called it, it killed you if you just quit if you were an alcoholic.
00:35:58.000Well, there was one they were putting during the Clinton administration, they were building a particle collider somewhere in the middle of America.
00:36:33.000Yeah, there's no way that the U.S. military is going to let scientists have a gadget like that somewhere that they don't have complete control over.
00:37:06.000Well, the real concern with the Large Hadron Collider is they were going to create many black holes that were going to eat their way through the Earth that you wouldn't be able to stop them.
00:37:13.000They would just like slide through the Earth.
00:37:36.000When I look through the historic record, that if there's any scientific gadget out there that looks like it has the potential to make something go boom, the United States military has a version of it somewhere.
00:37:48.000But for whatever reason, they abandoned this one during the Clinton administration.
00:37:53.000I don't remember why they abandoned it, but you could, people can, if they have access to the area where it's at, can still go inside of it and see what they started to build, but they never did.
00:38:05.000But it would have been larger than the Large Hadron Collider.
00:42:43.000And then the guy who got shot, Predi, he steps in, which is, if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol, but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage with someone.
00:43:03.000You also are supposed to carry your license on you and you're supposed to, you're supposed to have ID on you.
00:43:45.000And now the narrative, they're trying to make the narrative shift.
00:43:48.000The Gestapo is in here, you know, murdering American citizens.
00:43:52.000Well, what was going on in California then?
00:43:55.000Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there.
00:43:58.000What was going on there was they did an ICE raid in a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows that it used to be that you'd drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot and you'd say two.
00:45:22.000And basically, anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's two federal buildings to protect them.
00:45:27.000And so the mathematical formula works like this.
00:45:31.000The longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job.
00:45:42.000The chances that there's an incident, which is going to be a bad incident, is going to occur.
00:45:46.000So basically, the longer you're there, the more attrition there is, the more engagements you have with these federal officers over time.
00:45:55.000Eventually, there's going to be something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens, and they're banking on that.
00:46:03.000And that's why ICE is out in front of these, or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings in front of many states night after night after night.
00:46:12.000And it's designed specifically to make sure, it's just a math formula, right?
00:46:16.000The longer we're here and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us.
00:46:28.000And in this particular instance, this guy clearly had been very involved.
00:46:37.000I don't know if he was a part of the signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest and you're fully armed like that with two magazines, it's kind of crazy, right?
00:46:48.000Like, why do you need so many bullets?
00:46:50.000Now the lives are all pro-Second Amendment, too.
00:46:53.000That is why Dallas pro-Second Amendment, which I'm for.
00:49:23.000If you're in an environment like that all day, like I've never been a police officer, but I was a security guard.
00:49:28.000And when I was a security guard for Great Woods, by the way, I'm not comparing this in any way, but I'm just explaining my mentality when I was there.
00:51:54.000I used to carry a hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie over my security outfit and like, bye.
00:51:59.000Because I knew there was going to come a time where I was like, I'm not getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever, stomping for 20 bucks an hour or whatever the fuck I was doing.
00:52:08.000But there was a very, and I, it was, I remember very clearly, like, oh, this is probably what happens with cops times a million.
00:52:16.000Like, you develop this us versus them because it was very much us.
00:52:20.000We would meet up at the beginning of our shift.
00:52:22.000We would all talk about what's going down.
00:52:24.000We're mostly catching people that were bringing in alcohol, like women in their purses would, you know, like some Carly Simon or something be playing.
00:52:33.000They'd sneak in a bottle of wine that, you know, James Taylor, you know, there was a lot of that.
00:52:38.000And so we would, we'd have like literal fucking trash cans filled with bottles of wine and liquor at the end of the night.
00:53:46.000Also, there's a tremendous amount of social media content that anybody could access at any given time where a lot of these dorks are calling for violence.
00:53:55.000You know, it's just, it's all over the place.
00:55:50.000I've never been pepper sprayed, but I did get tear gassed once during Fear Factor.
00:55:54.000We did a Fear Factor stunt where these people had to, I forget what they had to do, but we had built this, there was like a structure, and they were inside the structure, and they released tear gas and discharged.
00:58:24.000So as of 2017, SIG changed the way they make their guns because the trigger itself was heavier than what it is now.
00:58:36.000And not just the pull, but the actual mechanism of the trigger was heavier.
00:58:39.000If you drop it, so if this is the barrel of the gun where the bullet comes out and this is where you're holding on your hand, if you drop it, it'll discharge.
00:58:48.000And it'll discharge without moving the slide, which is kind of crazy.
00:58:52.000Because what happens is something in the dropping it on the back where the handle is.
01:00:08.000But the so that's the gun this guy has.
01:00:13.000So when this CBP officer grabs his gun, he's moving off and it appears, it's very grainy, the video.
01:00:23.000It appears there's an accidental discharge.
01:00:27.000Now, you can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger.
01:00:32.000If there's any kind of pressure on the trigger, if it is a modified trigger, if there's anything that engages with it, even a slight amount, and you move the slide at all, that gun will go off.
01:01:19.000But it does seem like, at least in some of the takes that I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems like that gun might have negligent discharged.
01:01:29.000Now, usually when someone's holding a gun and there's a negligent discharge, it's because they pulled the trigger, right?
01:02:48.000And if it's because it has to have a lot of force for it to go off or the slide has to be, you know, you have to be moving the slide or something like this.
01:02:56.000What I saw was him holding the pistol, how you or I would hold the pistol with the finger off the trigger.
01:03:03.000I did not actually see what would have caused that force.
01:03:22.000Like there was one cop where they said the cop got shot because the gun accidentally went off and everybody's like, oh man, SIG's in trouble.
01:03:30.000Turns out that cop had to recant that.
01:03:32.000And he accidentally hit the trigger and shot a cop.
01:05:47.000Turns out that this 320 model was one of the ones that, you know, was an older model or something like this, or it was issued after the fact.
01:06:55.000One of the officers removes the gun and then a shot goes off.
01:06:59.000Now, there's another speculation that the guy who shot him had a negligent discharge.
01:07:05.000He didn't, like maybe he had his hand on the trigger and he got a little amped up and it went off and then he just fucking kept firing to him.
01:07:16.000There's a ton of angles, a ton of different cell phone angles.
01:07:20.000None of them are really crystal clear.
01:07:22.000And the thing that's interesting about this is I'm even willing to kind of grant it to the left, just on appearance alone for a second, just for the sake of like logically taking this to its conclusion.
01:07:33.000Let's say that the cops were totally wrong on this.
01:09:29.000I do believe them that they think that they're fighting against fascism.
01:09:33.000And I've debated with enough of these people on what historically fascism is in comparison to what they perceive it as, that I do think that they believe that 100%.
01:09:45.000I just think it's an unjustified belief.
01:10:28.000If you go to half a million people and 8% of them are murderers and rapists, and they snuck in during, not even snuck in, because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years, somewhere to the tune of, let's be like super charitable.
01:10:42.000Let's say it's only 10 million because I think it's a lot more.
01:12:11.000It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality.
01:12:17.000If you're really a big believer in the Republic like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job, you impede it at every turn?
01:13:06.000We had this woman, we documented, we talked about this woman who worked for, God, I forget which department, but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what she described, they described to her as clients.
01:13:22.000And so you would tell these people, are you, yes.
01:13:26.000So her question was to them, do you have a permanent disability?
01:13:38.000And all you have to do is like, you don't have to have like clear evidence that you have all your fucking discs surfused and you can't walk or you have.
01:13:46.000No, you just have to have a fucking back hurt.
01:14:17.000They get money from taxpayers essentially forever.
01:14:22.000So if you can get those people to vote, they will most certainly vote for the people that are giving them that money, right?
01:14:29.000Of course, most certainly vote for the people that are moving them into the Roosevelt Hotel and just like how Muslims will vote, even though at the local level they oppose all leftist policy.
01:14:38.000They'll vote at a national level for leftists because they bring in their family members.
01:14:42.000They bring in, they allow the importation of people that they want here.
01:14:47.000So yeah, they utilize the system for the aims.
01:15:38.000And, you know, a lot of these people that are on the left that are self-described leftists, they're very kind people and they want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people.
01:15:52.000And they don't understand they're being used as pawns by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control.
01:16:01.000And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK.
01:16:10.000Look what's going on in England right now.
01:16:12.00012,000 people have been arrested so far last year for, in the last year rather, for social media posts, just social media posts criticizing immigration.
01:16:24.000There was some new thing that they just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pubs, who are having conversations in pubs that you think are dangerous conversations.
01:16:40.000There was that woman in the UK who was SA'd and then called the guy a name via text.
01:17:48.000It's very spooky that it's happening so quickly and that the UK has become the leader in the world for arresting people for social media posts.
01:17:59.000No one would have ever saw that coming five, six years ago.
01:18:02.000But this is what happens when you get total control of a population.
01:18:23.000If you're really a liberal, a real liberal, a real progressive person who really believes in free speech, you should believe in all speech.
01:18:42.000It used to be an understanding that, as complicated as this thing, you've got to allow people to say horrible things so that you can counter them with better points and you make a better argument and then people see your side and then society moves forward.
01:18:57.000In the online dialectic, the way that it moves between groups, and I think that now online influencers, podcasters, political commentators actually do have political, they have some political capital now, which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital, which can now be spent.
01:19:14.000They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians and operate as mouthpieces on behalf of whatever that political arm is.
01:19:22.000Well, you would say that about the right, too, wouldn't you?
01:19:24.000Of course, but I don't see it as prevalent as I do with the left.
01:19:29.000The left, for instance, there was a whole thing that used to go on on Twitch where an organization came in and bought up all the Twitch mouthpieces.
01:20:32.000It also, there's so many people that are getting attention by feeding into the rhetoric.
01:20:41.000There's so many people that are making viral clips of them threatening, like menacing, like these weird dorky liberal guys, like these guys that you would think of pacifists are literally calling for violence.
01:20:53.000I got one of them because it's like the most unlikely guy.
01:23:46.000I mean, part of that whole signal chat that's dangerous that people aren't talking about, that's probably the most dangerous aspect of it.
01:23:55.000And I can't prove this, but it's been my experience that left-wing communities and left-wing groups, especially online communities and online groups, really pander to the mentally ill in a big way.
01:25:28.000Early on with the Charlie Kirk thing, they were actually making these connections because he had used a Mauser as well, right, to shoot Charlie Kirk.
01:25:35.000That was the so people were making those early connections.
01:25:53.000And it's really easy to weaponize mentally ill people that way because they don't care.
01:25:57.000These are the same people who have the high suicide rates for a reason because they're already mentally ill, like the Troons and others, which many of them you find are connected to trans people almost every time.
01:26:09.000This is the other problem: is that how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal or excuse me these psychiatric drugs?
01:26:25.000There's a lot of people that have psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and different psychiatric medications.
01:26:36.000So you've got people that are already fucked up mentally, and then you've got them on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of crazy things.
01:26:42.000And aren't women, aren't women taking much more in the way of SSRI pills than men are?
01:26:48.000And who do we see on the bullhorns and loudspeakers at most of these events?
01:27:39.000So a third of all liberal men are mentally ill.
01:27:44.00022% of moderate men and 16% of conservative men.
01:27:47.000Yeah, but do you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up?
01:27:50.000These lunatics, they'll argue, no, no, no.
01:27:53.000The conservative men are just as mentally ill.
01:27:56.000It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma in conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed.
01:28:04.000And I always point out, and I think this is an interesting way to point this out, like maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem.
01:28:13.000It's possible it's undiagnosed because I think that is accurate though, that there is a stigma about mental health and therapy and things along those lines in conservative – I mean if you want to like – I agree, but I also think that what happens is when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology and it is voodoo.
01:28:49.000It's all voodoo as far as I'm concerned.
01:28:51.000I think that men often, especially conservative men, get as much out of their close relationships with friends and family as they would going to a psychologist.
01:29:03.000In other words, I think just having somebody to talk to who's a close friend, who's intricately familiar with your situation, probably gives you more value than going to a complete stranger who has learned manipulation techniques.
01:29:15.000That's what they learn essentially is manipulation techniques.
01:29:42.000But when I went out and had some beers with my friends, that actually helped relieve some of these issues.
01:29:48.000I think the problem with that is there's a lot of guys who don't have good friends, you know, and you don't have someone that you can count on, unfortunately.
01:29:57.000There's a lot of men out there that are lost.
01:30:00.000I agree, but I think that the conservative men seem to like they have closer longevity with friends than progressive men do.
01:30:06.000Yes, and they don't abandon them when they change their opinions on things.
01:30:10.000So here's the self-reported data from 2022 survey analysis found that 51% of conservatives report excellent mental health compared to 20% of liberals.
01:31:06.000And the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you in that, moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time.
01:31:15.000And I think that that's a necessary component now.
01:31:18.000If we're trying to make these political delineations, it becomes tough.
01:31:22.000What's a Republican or a neocon versus a conservative versus this versus that?
01:31:27.000It comes down to foundationalism, a framework.
01:31:30.000Like you were just saying, in the framework of Christianity, Christian ethics, huge delineation point between the right and the left who rejects that for harm principles, utilitarianism, and various other sorts of frameworks.
01:31:44.000Yeah, and they'll also point to what Christianity has done throughout history and the amount of harm that it's caused.
01:31:53.000But it's kind of like every power structure throughout history you could point to in that way.
01:32:16.000You can't have organizations which span whole nations and countries, ethnicities, cultures integrate themselves into it and not have corruption.
01:32:49.000One of the things that I always say is, if there was a pill that could make you as nice as the people that I go to church with, everybody would be on it.
01:32:59.000They are the nicest fucking people you will ever encounter.
01:33:01.000When we leave the church, they're kind.
01:34:32.000So why engage as though there's something outside of that?
01:34:35.000That doesn't just lead to nihilism, but it's the beginning stages of understanding the distinction between religious foundationalism and basically everything else.
01:34:44.000The reduction doesn't come down to me.
01:34:47.000And that's why those interactions seem so much better because they are because people are thinking about you.
01:34:55.000Imagine a world where people think about somebody besides themselves.
01:34:59.000And they think about, they can think about everybody as a part of a community and a collective community that you care about, that has value to you.
01:35:06.000And then you go, why is mental health rate so much better in these communities?
01:35:12.000It's like, well, isn't it interesting how much they think about other people than just themselves and duties to those people instead of just me, They're the kindest people you're ever going to come across.
01:35:24.000And I think there's a lot of value in that.
01:35:26.000And I think the people that are cynical about that, because they don't want to believe in fairy tales or they don't want to be stupid, they don't want to get duped by like, look, there's a foundation to that.
01:35:36.000If you just look, forget about some of the stuff that's in the Bible that, you know, it gets weird when you get old.
01:35:43.000Like you go back into the old, old, old stuff, because like for sure human beings had some sort of an influence on what was written down and what wasn't written down.
01:35:52.000But if you get just to the teachings of Christ, I can't find any faults in it.
01:36:24.000That's why Christians believe in objective truth, that there must be objective truth because otherwise why is most of the world following this as though it's objective truth?
01:36:32.000We seem to be leaning towards this as though this must be the thing which is objectively real and objectively true and a thing which we can point to that is because when people are introduced to it, like you just said, it's really hard and difficult to find fault in it.
01:37:40.000You just know what you've experienced.
01:37:43.000And I think that the world is better off if people have a great moral and ethical framework.
01:37:53.000I think morals and ethics and being kind is one of the most important values that human beings can ever possess if you want to live in a productive and healthy community.
01:38:41.000You know, appealing to like, well, has the lack of community and the like, let's just assume for a second.
01:38:46.000Let's just assume it's all bullshit and it's all nonsense.
01:38:50.000Every bit of it is just totally made up.
01:38:52.000We just like, we just made it up, right?
01:38:55.000But we all acted as though it was true.
01:38:58.000If it's the case that your whole framework is that we just want a society that really works well and does the best it can possibly do for everyone, then shouldn't you, by your own framework, just pretend it's true?
01:39:30.000It's fascinating that people that are self-professed atheists and people that think of themselves as too intelligent for religion won't acknowledge that.
01:39:59.000And the thing, well, the thing is interesting is like I've talked with a lot of atheists, debated with a lot of atheists, especially on the effects of Christianity and society against the effects of atheism.
01:40:11.000And I know what pure secular states have led to.
01:40:28.000Politicians are constantly voted in based on the fact that they have an X amount of value structure and that's what they're going to implement legislatively on you.
01:40:37.000The whole secular thing, totally made up.
01:40:40.000And them pretending that that's even real or has ever existed as a real framework in the United States, just nonsense.
01:40:48.000Not only that, but I think there is a natural default in the human mind to be attracted to a structure.
01:40:55.000And if that structure is a Christian structure, you're attracted to all the Christian values that we've just discussed being so positive and beneficial to you.
01:41:04.000But if you're not and you go to a leftist, progressive structure, leftists in particular, like a Marxist structure, what you're seeing is a complete lack of forgiveness.
01:41:17.000They don't have that built into the system.
01:41:20.000One of the beautiful things about Christianity is forgiveness and the recognition that we're all sinners and we all fuck up and we're all human and we're all flawed and that you could move on and be better and you can atone for these sins and you could recognize that, you know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the best way to move forward and be a better person.
01:41:40.000Society at a whole recognizes that you are me and I am you and we're all kind of the same thing.
01:41:46.000We all fuck up and we're all just human beings.
01:43:41.000And so if you don't have a pathway to forgiveness, and if you don't have that built into your society, you're always going to have people pointing out the people that are the bad people.
01:43:52.000And it's going to keep moving in that direction.
01:43:54.000And it's one of the things you see in the left in particular.
01:43:58.000And it drives me crazy when I see that also from the right.
01:44:01.000I'm like, don't you see that the people that you criticize are doing this and now you're doing this?
01:44:07.000You guys are turning on each other over the most innocuous things and forming tribes where you're attacking each other, even though you have mostly shared values instead of being charitable and recognizing that, you know, these are just human beings and they make mistakes.
01:44:22.000But the left eats itself more than any fucking group that I've ever encountered over almost nothing.
01:44:28.000And they love to pile on because they're absolutely terrified that it's going to come for them.
01:45:02.000I still think that it turned into a dog eat dog for the power vacuum fight.
01:45:07.000And it was a criticism of values, foundationalism, and all that.
01:45:11.000But from the left view, if you eat, if you're eating your own, right?
01:45:15.000And you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation and now everybody's in lock and step, is that better for political power or worse?
01:45:25.000Like if you constantly are just eating the wrong, nope, that message isn't pure enough and they gobble them up until you get the monster, right?
01:45:33.000Who has the right message, they're all on board.
01:45:36.000Is that the better way to achieve this kind of like political paradigm that they want?
01:47:00.000Like, just, you know, all the communist nations were always setting their market prices based on what capitalists would markets would set for prices.
01:47:08.000And it's like, how do I value a guitar if it's supposed to just be mine in the commune and then yours also and his also?
01:47:18.000How do we set a value assessment here?
01:47:20.000What makes the Epiphone better than the sorry, folks?
01:47:26.000Another problem is this idea of the equality of outcome that everybody should get an equal amount.
01:47:32.000That is crazy talk because we all know that equality of effort does not exist.
01:47:38.000There's a reason why there's outliers and the reason why they're so compelling and so inspirational.
01:47:43.000It's like this fucking guy got up at five o'clock in the morning and ran every morning before work and hustled and ate the right food and fucking did the right things and was thinking and pushing and was open-minded and he became radically successful.
01:47:58.000But from each according to their ability, Joe.
01:48:01.000No, it's not even maximizing everyone's ability because you're basically giving a safety net for fucking lazy people.
01:49:18.000But the thing is, is the reason you commonly see good-looking people with good-looking people and ugly people with ugly people is because that's about what you can get.
01:50:13.000But a lot of them are not fully formed human beings.
01:50:17.000And the way I always describe it, I go, it's like if you give, if you make cement and you don't add all the stuff in the right way, you can't fix it later.
01:50:28.000So during the developmental process, if you're fucking Joffrey from Game of Thrones, like what are the odds that Joffrey's going to fucking figure it out and get his shit together and be cool when he gets to it?
01:51:12.000It's a story as old as time and it keeps fucking repeating itself.
01:51:16.000And it's just weird that people, well, I look, but also I believe in social safety nets because I think that there's a lot of people that are very unfortunate.
01:51:23.000And there's a lot of people that do grow up with shitty parents or parents that have a bad situation in life.
01:51:28.000Maybe the father dies or the mother dies and there's no like it's good to be charitable and churches are fantastic at that.
01:51:36.000It's one of the more pure charities that you're ever going to find because their goal is really just to help those people.
01:51:42.000Unlike what you think of as charities in the modern sense, one of the grossest fucking things today is these enormous charities that everybody thinks, oh, I'm going to support this charity.
01:54:51.000And then, you know, they had to fess up to it.
01:54:53.000Whistleblowers and well, why would you have a pay go system?
01:54:56.000Why would you have a system where you're like, this is social safety net that you're paying into for your retirement that you have to pay into?
01:55:51.000And compared to what would happen if you spent that exact same money and put it in like a fund, a reliable fund, you would get so much more money when you retire.
01:56:02.000Well, now I almost feel like it's hamstringing because if it was the case that they let you keep, you could just opt out, you know, I don't want Social Security.
01:56:11.000And then you took that and you put it in those hedge funds and retirement accounts and things like this, you would way maximize over what you get in Social Security.
01:57:50.000The thing is, with suicidal empathy, that's really funny here to point out to a leftist, from their paradigm, there's nothing wrong with that, actually.
01:59:37.000Like, if you see the pyramids and they're cutting people's hearts out and like we're holding it up to this, to the to Raw or whatever, you're like, I'm supposed to feel bad that they put you to the sword.
01:59:48.000Like, it's really hard for me to feel bad about that.
01:59:51.000Yeah, it's really hard for me to be upset about that.
02:01:02.000When they completed the consecration of the temple of Tenochtitlan, they killed somewhere between 20,000 on the low end and 80,000 on the high end.
02:01:14.000They sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people within four days.
02:01:46.000And a lot of people have disputed that 80,000 people, but then they found so many bones that they're like, okay, it's probably somewhere north of 20,000, which is crazy enough.
02:01:57.000They sacrificed him in four fucking days.
02:03:23.000So 20,000, 80,000 might be exaggerated if you think about the number, but just think about 20,000 people, killing 20,000 people by cutting their hearts out and throwing them down the steps of the pyramid in four days.
02:03:49.000They don't want to believe that they played football with human heads.
02:03:53.000So historians try to say that they didn't play football with human heads, even though there's artistic depictions of them playing football with human heads.
02:04:11.000And that whole myth of the noble savage is something which is utilized by the left in order to make the claim that you are an imperialist and an occupier and a person who, yeah, you have colonized their land.
02:04:27.000And the thing is, is it's like, if that's what we colonized, why do I care?
02:05:17.000Because then, also, you have the language and the religion of your oppressors that you're trying to say is this noble and incredible culture that you're bringing over to America.
02:05:31.000First of all, the people, the Native American people and the original people and the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Mexicans, it's essentially the same kind of people.
02:05:41.000A lot of them are, they look the same.
02:05:45.000It's like, if you look at Sitting Bull, it looks like he could be working at a taker.
02:10:10.000Like, ah, you know, the whites brought over all their diseases.
02:10:13.000It's like, well, all those came from animals, smallpox, all that.
02:10:16.000Got immunity because we have animal husbandry.
02:10:18.000They didn't have any immunity to any of that.
02:10:20.000Not only that, there's real evidence that syphilis came from Native Americans, and then they brought at least some forms of syphilis, and they brought that syphilis back to Europe, and then all the Europeans started going crazy and getting holes in their head and losing all their hair.
02:10:34.000And that's where the big Whigs came from.
02:10:35.000And then eating mercury pills to cure themselves.
02:10:40.000It's crazy what people used to believe.
02:10:57.000People, you start in Africa a million years ago, whatever it is, and then people start slowly moving away from the people that were kicking their ass, looking for a better place to live.
02:11:06.000But isn't the whole thing from the leftist paradigm just to create or to delegitimize the fact that you can say, what do you mean?
02:11:20.000I'm an American, and I have a right to my nation because by birth, I have a birthright to the land that I'm on, and so do my fellow countrymen.
02:11:29.000Nope, it's an attempt to delegitimize that, right?
02:11:33.000Just to delegitimize your claim to your own land.
02:11:36.000Well, that's what we were talking about earlier with lefts, with leftists, where there's this purity test that no one can ever pass because they'll always keep pushing the boundaries further and further.
02:11:45.000You're never going to be, there's no like real Americans.
02:12:40.000And not only that, what would be fascinating is if someone from the left started behaving exactly like the people that are on the right, just did it from a perspective of the left where you would think, oh, this is okay.
02:12:55.000And that's what we got during the Obama administration.
02:12:58.000I sent you this thing, Jamie, a little bit ago, the clip of Obama talking about immigration.
02:13:05.000And by the way, Obama, and I was mistaken on this.
02:13:09.000I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border.
02:13:17.000Most of the people out of the, I think it was 3 million over the course of his presidency that were deported were fucking deported, like arrested, deported.
02:13:35.000There are those in the immigrants' rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws.
02:13:57.000And often this argument is framed in moral terms.
02:14:00.000Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living?
02:14:06.000I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument.
02:14:13.000But I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair.
02:14:19.000It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision.
02:14:27.000And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration.
02:14:35.000And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.
02:14:44.000Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship.
02:14:57.000And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.
02:15:53.000Like, the way he talked was so, it was so measured and so noble in the way he phrased his sentences.
02:16:01.000Like, it was really, it's really interesting how much perception plays a factor in what you think of as like someone being a good president.
02:16:09.000Because everybody on the left thinks of him as being like the most amazing president ever.
02:18:07.000But the thing is, is it's like, what the hell are we fighting over here?
02:18:11.000Well, we're fighting over the fact that the left is just trying to ingratiate itself with power, and they don't really care about what the moral paradigm is.
02:18:20.000As long as they can get their people in power, they'll use anything as a lichpin issue.
02:18:38.000And if you think that once they get complete, if they were successful, they imported millions more to all these swing states, they allowed them to vote, they completely rigged the system, now it's only – you think that's going to be good for everybody?
02:18:59.000When you have Christian nationalism on the rise and Christians moving towards that, doesn't that seem like it's a rational and reasonable thing to do for them to want the mindset of if we're not in power, they will be in power.
02:19:13.000It's rational from their perspective, for sure.
02:19:15.000What people are terrified of is that it would restrict the freedom of religion and that you would impose Christianity on the entire country.
02:19:24.000And I don't think you should impose any kind of religion on any people.
02:19:28.000I've never seen the, I know that there are, of course, the people who push that there has to be an established theocracy in order for Christian nationalism to work.
02:19:38.000But the frameworks that I've seen that have political legitimacy don't seem to push for that at all.
02:19:43.000They push instead that the idea is that Christians should not be hamstrung from the ideals of holding power itself, that that does not make you bad or evil or awful, no matter what the left says how Christians are supposed to act.
02:19:58.000And that when you are in power, you should rule with Christian ethics in mind.
02:20:03.000That's how you're supposed to pass policy, public policy of all kinds, is through those ethical means.
02:20:11.000Not, hey, it's going to be a theocracy.
02:20:15.000That doesn't seem like it's a necessary component.
02:20:19.000No, well, people are afraid of the concept of a theocracy.
02:20:22.000And I think that people are afraid of just human nature and that if people did get into power, that that's what it would become.
02:20:28.000Just like these people are just trying to get into power, that they would use Christianity as a vehicle, and they would just use that as an ability to control people.
02:20:37.000The real concern is just human nature.
02:20:40.000Human beings, when they get into any position of power, like to keep it and expand it.
02:20:59.000I don't think you would have to utilize a dictatorship.
02:21:02.000But if it's the case that we can point to, like, there were people who had a lot of power who fundamentally were pretty good.
02:21:08.000What was it that they're pointing to that made them good?
02:21:11.000Like, is there something we can point society towards that can make our leaders a bit better, that can make our leadership not hyper-focus on the nonsense of like gay marriage and stuff like that, which is completely and totally unimportant at the political level and shouldn't be up to the federal government anyway.
02:21:30.000Yeah, and I think it's a political tool too.
02:21:32.000You know, Anna Paulina Luna was on the podcast and she said something that I really didn't consider about certain political problems that exist in this country that they don't want to solve them because they want to use them to finance their campaigns.
02:21:52.000It needs to always be there as an issue.
02:21:53.000And it's like, I think a lot of these can be solved.
02:21:57.000Like if we were to have politicians in mass and their supporters in mass who followed Christian ethics, I do think a lot of those sub-issues get solved very quickly.
02:22:08.000It's true Christianity if they really do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
02:22:11.000But I think what people are really worried about is like when people think about Christians, they think about the worst case scenario of Christianity, which is like evangelicals on television that just try to get private jets.
02:22:23.000But how is electing atheists better or electing socialists better or electing any of these people better?
02:22:38.000So it's like if I'm going to be ruled, can I at least be ruled by people who have my ethics or really who really believe in that they're trying to make the world a better place and they're not just trying to acquire wealth and help their donors acquire more wealth.
02:23:12.000Well, you restrict people's ability to express themselves, restrict people's ability to travel, you take away as much money as possible, tax them as highly as possible so they're always in this like state of constantly struggling to pay their bills.
02:23:26.000You keep them completely, no one's comfortable ever.
02:23:29.000And then, you know, have this problem that we have to solve.
02:24:03.000And this is a foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending.
02:24:07.000Now, I'm happy to meet people in the middle.
02:24:10.000A lot of people want to argue in the middle, right?
02:24:12.000We're going to get past all the foundational stuff and we're going to go to the menu or the middle of the argument and start there.
02:24:18.000And I'm kind of happy to do that to kind of move everything backwards or forwards so we can either get to the end or we can get to the beginning and get this figured out.
02:24:27.000Yes, what wears on me the most about it is there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe what they're saying.
02:27:25.000I can tell you exactly where you're going to go, what you're going to say, why you're going to say it, what your justification is going to be.
02:27:30.000And I can just get to the end and take care of this right now.
02:28:45.000I would listen to long form, you know, historic podcasts.
02:28:50.000I would, more than anything, I would be listening to, you know, the mediums changed, but I would listen to what people had to say on a variety of issues.
02:29:00.000And I would watch the news incessantly.
02:29:02.000And I would be able to pick out what's true and what's not true after a while.
02:29:06.000Political education comes from a variety of sources.
02:29:09.000You can't get it from the news, and you can't get it from listening to just podcasts, and you can't get it by just talking to people.
02:29:15.000You have to take a sum total of everything, all of it, in order to at least be even moderately politically savvy and understand what's going on in the world.
02:29:23.000And I realize most people make commentary on things that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
02:29:27.000And so how did you transition to doing this as a job?
02:30:37.000And I also think you have really good points that are very valuable for people to hear.
02:30:42.000And you're really good at pointing out the logical fallacies and pointing out the ridiculous thought processes that a lot of these people have.
02:30:51.000And I, you know, that's important, man.
02:32:36.000I need to do the best I can to represent it well.
02:32:39.000To be an intelligent, reasonable person who's both well-read and has very good points that you can express about social issues, societal issues, is it has a massive thing.
02:32:57.000It's a very important thing that, you know, mainstream media is not doing a good job of filling that role.
02:34:37.000And I think that for a lot of people, that could be a very kind of like jarring experience for them.
02:34:42.000And I think that that's healthy, though.
02:34:44.000I think that's healthy for you to be kind of jarred out of complacency a little bit.
02:34:47.000Well, it's certainly healthy for other people to watch it because certain people lean in one direction or the other and they're not really exactly sure how they feel about things.
02:34:57.000And sometimes someone who has bad ideas can be very compelling with these bad ideas because they're not being confronted by someone who's better at it.
02:36:42.000Back in the old Twitch blood sport days when it was 50 live viewers and me against two leftists and we were slugging it out, they were smarter.
02:36:52.000These were much smarter people than the high-level academic, like it took on these two academics recently at DebateCon, both of them are Ivy League graduates, right?
02:37:13.000Well, I think it's because of there's a degree of ass kissing and there's a degree of people around you affirming over and over and over how f ⁇ ing great you are.
02:37:24.000That's where that egotism comes in, where I was saying earlier in the podcast, you have to make sure you're grounded.
02:37:29.000Make sure that your ego never takes over.
02:37:31.000Make sure that you don't become the thing that you hate, right?
02:38:48.000That guy has a way to apply this knowledge in a framework that works because he's part of the apparatus of the world.
02:38:55.000And there was nobody there where he was like, he tugged on their shirt sleeve and said, hey, daddy, or hey, you know, Uncle Bucks or whoever, you know, I want to be on Fox News and now they have an in, you know, and I think a lot of that in media happens.
02:39:10.000I think it's very, very, a lot of nepotism there.
02:39:14.000And a lot of people just really got no business being there at all.
02:39:43.000He was not valued for his great insights and wonderful political takes and the fantastic way in which he broke down the issues of our time.
02:39:50.000He was valued because he was a gay dude who was black, who was like liberal talking points.