The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2444 - Andrew Wilson

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00:00:03.000 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day you know way before They changed my minds.

00:00:19.000 Changed my mind.

00:00:20.000 What does Charlie, what did Charlie say?

00:00:22.000 Prove me wrong or something like that?

00:00:24.000 It was something akin to that.

00:00:26.000 My understanding was that essentially TPUSA ripped that idea off from Crowder.

00:00:34.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 And then he would, I think he feels a lot of responsibility for what happened with Kirk.

00:00:46.000 Is he the Mossad?

00:00:47.000 What's that?

00:00:48.000 Is he the Mossade?

00:00:48.000 Is he the Master?

00:00:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:50.000 That's so funny.

00:00:52.000 I don't know.

00:00:53.000 If you got Candace's number, we can ask her.

00:00:56.000 We can ask her.

00:00:57.000 Kansas is getting, she's getting dragged on Twitter today because she's like, I've lived in Connecticut.

00:01:04.000 I've never seen this much ice on trees.

00:01:07.000 And it's 30 degrees out.

00:01:08.000 And everybody's like, yeah, 30 is freezing.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, it's so funny.

00:01:16.000 Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes?

00:01:19.000 It's so funny.

00:01:21.000 You don't remember the Miss?

00:01:23.000 Yeah, the psychic.

00:01:24.000 They keep on putting the Miss Cleo memes out for Candace because she's a psychic, you know?

00:01:28.000 That's hilarious.

00:01:31.000 It is funny.

00:01:33.000 I think this lighter just shit the bed.

00:01:35.000 Can I browse that online?

00:01:36.000 Thank you.

00:01:37.000 Yeah.

00:01:38.000 It's really funny.

00:01:40.000 Well, Candace has painted herself into a weird corner where everything has to be a wild conspiracy. 1.00

00:01:46.000 Like it has to be Bridget McCron's a man.

00:01:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:49.000 Erica Kirk killed Charlie.

00:01:51.000 It has to like one up the last one.

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 You know?

00:01:56.000 It's really funny.

00:01:57.000 He came to the same conclusion that I did.

00:01:59.000 So it's like, I've seen those conspiracy channels come up before and then they come up and they crash out.

00:02:06.000 And the reason is, is because like for her, I think she had the whole like, she was involved with this, right?

00:02:15.000 She was involved intricately with Kirk.

00:02:17.000 She knew him.

00:02:18.000 And so that gave a lot of credibility to a lot of the things that she was saying.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 But then once you start moving back into like Mandela Effect stuff and time travel and people are like, ah.

00:02:32.000 I mean, you can do that if you're that guy, if you're Art Bell, you know, if you want.

00:02:37.000 Well, you know, but Bell, I remember I used to listen to Bell all the time.

00:02:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:41.000 I got him up on the wall over there.

00:02:42.000 Remember that intro?

00:02:43.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 Boom, Yeah.

00:02:46.000 The kingdom of knowledge.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:49.000 I remember listening to him for years.

00:02:52.000 I drive around with my dad.

00:02:54.000 He was like, it was a big deal.

00:02:54.000 Yeah.

00:02:57.000 And I remember the very first episode I heard from him was something about the NIM.

00:03:00.000 It was like, what's the NIM?

00:03:02.000 The NIM were like, this guy called in.

00:03:04.000 He was a time traveler.

00:03:07.000 And he came back in time because his whole thing was like he had to stop the weather patterns from destroying the future because the NIM, an alien race of grays, had come and they were heating up the planet slowly to change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet. 0.97

00:03:24.000 And, you know, Art Bell, he's always playing into it with the lunatics, you know, and he's like, and does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this?

00:03:36.000 And the dude's just like, oh, shoot.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, art would give you all the rope.

00:03:43.000 You can call it art, I'm a werewolf.

00:03:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:45.000 Interesting.

00:03:46.000 Yeah.

00:03:47.000 Oh, did you ever hear the Bigfoot episode?

00:03:49.000 Oh, my God.

00:03:49.000 No.

00:03:50.000 That's the funniest episode you'll ever hear.

00:03:51.000 So Redneck calls into Art Bell and talks about how he killed Bigfoot and where he buried it.

00:03:56.000 And the guy has, it's like, I don't know if it was early trolling, like before trolling was trolling, but it was like this guy, he was like, yeah, you know, me and Timmy, we took him out back there, we shot him right in the chest twice, and there were some young'uns, and they spread out a little bit, and then we, you know, we packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in the backyard.

00:04:17.000 And you said there was young'uns.

00:04:21.000 The Bigfoot people are the weirdest.

00:04:24.000 Duncan Trussell and I went hunting for Bigfoot once.

00:04:27.000 We did this.

00:04:28.000 I used to do this TV show for a while called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

00:04:32.000 And I'd be like, all right, tell me about chemtrails.

00:04:35.000 And I'd go meet with all the loons and all the people that are really involved, UFO, anything like that.

00:04:41.000 And we went and hung out with the Bigfoot people.

00:04:43.000 So we went Bigfoot hunting for like two days in the Pacific Northwest and talked to all these people.

00:04:48.000 And they're all like the same person.

00:04:52.000 I just said it's like a team of unfuckable white guys. 0.95

00:04:56.000 It's like, that's what you find.

00:04:57.000 Like these guys are just like, they found their calling.

00:05:00.000 It's just like looking for a mystery in the woods that you'll never solve.

00:05:04.000 Well, there was a guy you used to have on your podcast, and he was huge for a long time.

00:05:09.000 And I think it still is.

00:05:11.000 Remember those missing cases?

00:05:13.000 Right?

00:05:14.000 That was a big deal.

00:05:16.000 And I was always like, anytime I heard anything about that, I always was enthralled with it because some of the stories were demented.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 You know, like kids appearing 500 miles away and all this stuff.

00:05:26.000 But that guy always had you edged because people would always go, what do you think's going on?

00:05:31.000 What was that guy's name?

00:05:32.000 I can't remember it, but it was like missing 411.

00:05:39.000 Yeah, missing 411.

00:05:40.000 I've seen him on Instagram or on Twitter.

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:44.000 Yeah.

00:05:45.000 He got all the park records, you know, and he started going through and he was like, there's some really weird stuff going on here for how many people were missing in national parks.

00:05:54.000 There is.

00:05:55.000 There is.

00:05:56.000 But the reality is, if you die in the woods, you get consumed pretty quick.

00:06:01.000 That's the reality.

00:06:02.000 That's why you don't find mountain lion skeletons.

00:06:04.000 Mountain lions are a real thing.

00:06:06.000 I've never found a dead mountain lion skeleton in all the times I've been hunting.

00:06:10.000 Never, not once.

00:06:11.000 You'll find elk bones.

00:06:13.000 You know, you'll find stuff like that.

00:06:15.000 I found some coyote, coyote skeletons before out in the Nevada desert.

00:06:20.000 But mountain lions are a real thing.

00:06:21.000 You very, rarely find a dead mountain lion.

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.000 And there's so many of them.

00:06:27.000 Now, think about how few people actually go hiking into the deep wilderness.

00:06:33.000 Your body just gets consumed.

00:06:35.000 Sure.

00:06:35.000 You know, there's so many animals that come along.

00:06:38.000 Rats, all kinds of things eat your bones.

00:06:40.000 Oh, yeah, it's a free meal.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, it's so easy.

00:06:42.000 And they can smell it for miles.

00:06:44.000 Bears.

00:06:44.000 Sure.

00:06:45.000 Anywhere there's wild pigs, and then it's over.

00:06:45.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 Then there's nothing left.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, they can smell that stuff for miles.

00:06:51.000 But it's like people always want to attach some crazy, deeper, weird, you know, UFO Bigfoot meaning to it.

00:06:57.000 It's like, no, you're in the wild, and nature has a whole plan for dead things.

00:07:03.000 And it does a really good job of.

00:07:04.000 Oh, yeah, so they don't last.

00:07:06.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:07:06.000 Not at all.

00:07:07.000 If you live out in the country, you see this all the time.

00:07:11.000 You know, raccoon will be around getting in someone's trash.

00:07:13.000 They'll walk out.

00:07:14.000 Raccoon's done.

00:07:14.000 Bam.

00:07:15.000 They just go throw it in the bushes.

00:07:18.000 That's it.

00:07:19.000 That's it.

00:07:20.000 Problem solved.

00:07:21.000 Problem solved, and it disappears quickly, and the plants consume it.

00:07:25.000 And that's it.

00:07:26.000 It rots and things eat it.

00:07:28.000 It doesn't even take that long to rot.

00:07:30.000 It's just pretty quick.

00:07:32.000 You ever seen like those time-lapse photos where they take a dead animal and they let it sit there and you watch it get consumed by maggots?

00:07:38.000 And it's very quick.

00:07:40.000 So these poor people that go hiking, you know, like if you go hiking and you're by yourself and you break an ankle and you're 15 miles in and you don't have a compass and you're kind of like roughly judging which hill you came over.

00:07:55.000 And there's a lot of people that just get ahead of themselves and they really shouldn't be that far out there and they just die.

00:08:02.000 Happens all the time.

00:08:03.000 You know, so like this idea that it's like there's you could if you look at all the data and you try to find a pattern to it and you start imagining that there's some grand conspiracy, that some watcher in the woods that's consuming people, some demon that's out there, you can get pretty kooky with the family.

00:08:03.000 Yeah.

00:08:23.000 I think the popular theory is it's wild men.

00:08:25.000 Oh, wild men.

00:08:26.000 Wild men.

00:08:27.000 Oh, like humans?

00:08:28.000 Yeah, well, or some human variant that are.

00:08:31.000 That's what this guy, this 411 guy, believes?

00:08:34.000 I'm not sure because he won't say.

00:08:38.000 He doesn't actually give his, here's what I think is going on.

00:08:42.000 But people ask him and he's like, well, I have my theories, but he never tells you actually what the theories are.

00:08:49.000 Interesting.

00:08:49.000 I wonder why he doesn't want to tell.

00:08:52.000 Maybe that's why he's not more popular.

00:08:54.000 If he just came out with it, like Candace, maybe it would be huge.

00:08:58.000 Yeah, like those guys that used to be in the 90s who were saying that we were going underground and killing the Nephilim.

00:09:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:04.000 Those guys were great.

00:09:05.000 You're going down and it's like, God, man, and they were giants.

00:09:08.000 They had three rows of teeth and special forces are going down there and taking them out.

00:09:12.000 Absolutely.

00:09:15.000 There's a whole group of people that believe that there's underground creatures that live underground and come out at night.

00:09:21.000 And there's always been like whatever they are.

00:09:26.000 People think the greys live underground.

00:09:30.000 There's not a lot of mystery left outside of places like the Amazon, the Congo that are super deep to get to.

00:09:38.000 Not a whole lot of mystery left in terms of life.

00:09:40.000 Maybe ocean depths.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.000 Ocean depths for sure.

00:09:44.000 That's like the whole new unexplored frontier, right?

00:09:47.000 It's ocean depths.

00:09:48.000 Yeah.

00:09:49.000 Saying anytime I turn on the TV, it's like, look at this crazy creature.

00:09:52.000 I'm like, that doesn't exist.

00:09:53.000 And I look at it.

00:09:54.000 I'm like, wait, that exists?

00:09:56.000 I saw one the other day who tweeted out.

00:09:57.000 I was like, Del Effect has to be real.

00:09:59.000 It was a, it's called a Siberian mule deer.

00:10:02.000 Have you ever seen a Siberian mule deer?

00:10:04.000 No.

00:10:05.000 They have fangs.

00:10:07.000 Oh, right.

00:10:08.000 I have seen a fanged deer.

00:10:10.000 I forget what they call it.

00:10:11.000 Apparently, that's the, you know, do you know what elk ivories are?

00:10:16.000 Yeah, that's, it used to be like a tusk, like way, way back in the day.

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:20.000 It's so retarded looking, dude. 1.00

00:10:22.000 Yeah, the fanged deer.

00:10:23.000 Yeah, they're weird.

00:10:24.000 It's very strange.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 I wonder what they were there for.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:29.000 Well, there's, I found a video because I was like, no way, dude.

00:10:32.000 I thought I was being memed, you know?

00:10:32.000 Do these things exist?

00:10:35.000 Look.

00:10:36.000 And this thing is real.

00:10:37.000 So I found a video of them fighting, and they use those things as weapons.

00:10:40.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:10:41.000 That's the only thing that makes sense.

00:10:42.000 Like gorillas.

00:10:43.000 Gorillas don't eat meat.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, they have these massive fangs.

00:10:47.000 You know, it's nature's weird.

00:10:50.000 So much variation, you know.

00:10:53.000 There's so many different types of life.

00:10:56.000 And the fact that they all sort of synchronize, like this one eats that one and that one eats this one and this one lives there and that one lives there.

00:11:04.000 It's like it's very fascinating when you really look at the just a wide variety of species that exist.

00:11:10.000 Well, most people don't know anything about it.

00:11:12.000 Like most people have never ever.

00:11:14.000 We live in such a comfortable world that is completely guarded from everything that's out there.

00:11:23.000 And it's like if people had a taste of out there, I think that the worldview of many, many people would change very quickly, especially feminists.

00:11:31.000 I think that feminists would immediately stop being feminist if they just had a taste of like, well, you know, people actually did have to shut themselves up at night from wolves. 1.00

00:11:40.000 That was a real thing.

00:11:41.000 Wolves would come in and eat you.

00:11:43.000 And so you would shut yourself in so that that didn't happen.

00:11:46.000 Well, that's gone so far the other way that fucking retards are bringing wolves into place. 1.00

00:11:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:11:53.000 It is so dumb.

00:11:55.000 You know, I have a good friend.

00:11:56.000 Didn't they take it over like in Yellowstone or someplace?

00:11:59.000 They reintroduced wolves and it just decimated the deer population.

00:12:02.000 Well, the elk population, but that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing in some ways because it was getting to elk need natural predators and mountain lions can only kill so many elk.

00:12:17.000 But what's really interesting is mountain lions kill way more elk when wolves are around because the wolves find the mountain lions and take their elk.

00:12:26.000 And so then the mountain lions have to go kill another deer or whatever.

00:12:31.000 Why like just issue more hunting elk permits though?

00:12:33.000 Like why do that?

00:12:34.000 Well, you have to have some natural predators in a good, healthy ecosystem.

00:12:40.000 And there's a good argument, particularly in Montana, that at one point in time it had gotten to a point where you're going to have like rampant disease because they were issuing these, they're issuing like unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the midwinter so that you can catch these elk in deep snow and just peck them off because they were having so many of them and that they weren't sustainable, that they were hitting these massive populations.

00:13:07.000 So their populations are down to like, I want to say less than 40% of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves.

00:13:16.000 But the problem is these wolves, like what they did in Colorado recently is the dumbest of all time because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Aspen and they took wolves from Washington State, Washington State or Oregon, but whatever it was, these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already had been killing cattle.

00:13:38.000 So they captured these wolves instead of killing them and then they relocated them to Aspen where they're killing cattle.

00:13:44.000 So they relocated them onto my buddy's ranch.

00:13:48.000 Like there's five of them.

00:13:49.000 And he had a cattle ranch, did he?

00:13:51.000 He doesn't have cattle on his ranch, but his fucking neighbors do. 0.99

00:13:54.000 And his neighbors are losing cattle left and right.

00:13:57.000 And so now they've killed off a couple of them and they're trying to.

00:14:01.000 It was a disaster.

00:14:02.000 And it's because the governor, the governor's husband, he's a wildlife lover, and he thinks it would be amazing if we had wolves.

00:14:11.000 You ever talked to those old deer hunters in Michigan?

00:14:14.000 In Michigan?

00:14:14.000 Yeah, they've been pissed off for like every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off as a native for years because they all used to shoot pheasant.

00:14:23.000 That was the big deal in Michigan was pheasant.

00:14:26.000 And then here's the story I heard.

00:14:28.000 I don't know if it's true or not, right?

00:14:30.000 But the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, imported a bunch of Western coyotes in order to thin out the deer population because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops.

00:14:46.000 Oh, boy.

00:14:47.000 And now that's an all-you-can-eat buffet for a coyote in Nevada, these ground birds that are just these fat, fat little groundbirds, and they decimated the population.

00:14:58.000 So you'll talk to these old deer hunters.

00:15:00.000 Have you seen any pheasant?

00:15:01.000 Oh, shut up. 0.99

00:15:03.000 Shut up. 0.95

00:15:04.000 The interesting thing about that, though, is pheasants are an invasive species.

00:15:07.000 That's not a natural North American species either.

00:15:10.000 They brought those fuckers over. 1.00

00:15:12.000 I mean, they are delicious.

00:15:13.000 And it's fun to hunt them.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:14.000 Well, they would always just walk those train tracks, those old abandoned train tracks, you know, and they'd have the dogs, dogs kick up the pheasant, they'd shoot them from the track, dog would ring it up.

00:15:23.000 That was like a Michigan pastime.

00:15:24.000 Yeah, the coyote thing's a real problem because coyotes are now, they used to be a Western animal, and now they're in all 50 states.

00:15:32.000 Not only that, they're in virtually every city in America.

00:15:35.000 Well, they've been wiping them out in Michigan pretty good and rural areas.

00:15:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:38.000 Well, what they do now is they have the GPS trackers, put them on the dogs.

00:15:42.000 All boys will get in with AR-15s.

00:15:45.000 Those dogs will run them for 200 miles, and then they finally take a shot, and they just will do that all winter long, man.

00:15:51.000 That's good, but it's hard to wipe them out because what they do is, you know, when you hear coyotes calling, it's like roll call.

00:16:00.000 They're letting sometimes there's a lot of confusion to what they're doing.

00:16:02.000 Some people think that they're letting the other coyotes know that they've killed something, that we have food, but it's also a roll call.

00:16:09.000 And when one of the coyotes is missing, the females have more pups.

00:16:14.000 Really?

00:16:14.000 Yeah, some weird natural reaction.

00:16:16.000 Also, their natural enemy is gray wolves.

00:16:20.000 And when they evolved, they evolved to when the gray wolves kill them because the gray wolves don't breed with coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red wolves.

00:16:30.000 That's why you have these like koi wolves on the East Coast.

00:16:33.000 Because a coyote is a wolf.

00:16:34.000 It's just a small wolf.

00:16:34.000 It's a wolf.

00:16:36.000 And so their natural inclination is when they're getting chased, they move to a new area and then they have even more pups.

00:16:45.000 So that's how they've spread out through the entire country.

00:16:47.000 So if you go back to like the turn of the century, like the 1900s, coyotes were exclusively a Western animal.

00:16:54.000 Now they're in New York City.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, they're everywhere.

00:16:56.000 Which is crazy.

00:16:57.000 They have them in Central Park.

00:16:58.000 They have fucking coyotes running around Central Park.

00:17:01.000 Some lady this morning posted on X a mountain lion in San Francisco sitting on a porch in the city of San Francisco, a big one, just sitting there.

00:17:10.000 It's like just having a good time.

00:17:14.000 Well, that's just because California has the dumbest fucking laws when it comes to those things. 1.00

00:17:18.000 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 Well, they have terrible gun laws, too.

00:17:20.000 They have terrible laws.

00:17:21.000 They have terrible laws, people.

00:17:22.000 They have terrible laws, terrible everything.

00:17:24.000 Terrible politicians.

00:17:25.000 You know, it's a shame, too.

00:17:27.000 Like, I grew up in Santa Rosa, and that's the most beautiful area.

00:17:33.000 The Napa Valley area is the most beautiful area on planet Earth.

00:17:36.000 The weather's always perfect.

00:17:38.000 It's January 15th.

00:17:40.000 It might as well be July 15th.

00:17:42.000 It's always perfect.

00:17:43.000 It's always gorgeous.

00:17:45.000 And they fucked it all up.

00:17:46.000 They fucked it all up.

00:17:47.000 They fucked it all up.

00:17:48.000 And they fucked it up real bad, too.

00:17:48.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 Oh, it's almost unfixable now, especially like the San Francisco area.

00:17:55.000 Like the whole Pacific Northwest is almost unfixable.

00:18:00.000 It's like they double down and they keep going.

00:18:03.000 Like Seattle now has a communist mayor who's been living with her parents. 0.68

00:18:07.000 New York.

00:18:08.000 They all got communists.

00:18:11.000 Black Lives Matter had, they were their head organizers.

00:18:14.000 They were communist, avowed communists.

00:18:16.000 Until it came to buying property with Black Lives Matter money. 0.72

00:18:19.000 What's happening with that?

00:18:20.000 Well, then they're very much capitalistic.

00:18:22.000 How come they're not in trouble?

00:18:24.000 I don't understand that.

00:18:25.000 Like they spent millions of dollars of that money on real estate.

00:18:29.000 Yeah.

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00:19:43.000 What's going on?

00:19:44.000 No idea.

00:19:45.000 I have no idea why.

00:19:46.000 Well, I don't know why the heads of many of these organizations aren't being rounded up and summarily arrested.

00:19:51.000 I mean, we're watching these.

00:19:53.000 I've been covering the riots non-stop.

00:19:55.000 I'm sorry, protests, the completely organic protests, which are totally organic.

00:20:02.000 And it's been interesting to watch.

00:20:04.000 I was watching one the other day.

00:20:06.000 We were live and it was Don Lemon and he had showed up in Minnesota.

00:20:10.000 And the first thing Don Lemon does, right?

00:20:12.000 I hate Don Lemon, by the way.

00:20:13.000 But first thing he does.

00:20:14.000 He's one of the dumbest motherfuckers that has ever gotten on television.

00:20:18.000 He's terrible.

00:20:19.000 First thing he does, he drives up in this car.

00:20:21.000 He's in the back seat and he jumps out of the car and he has this shitty lemon smile on his face, you know, and he runs over with Starbucks to these people and he's like, here you go.

00:20:31.000 And then he jumps back in the car, right?

00:20:33.000 And they drive off.

00:20:34.000 Now, here's what's interesting about this.

00:20:36.000 He comes back and he's in there with the protesters, you know what I mean?

00:20:40.000 And he's interviewing them.

00:20:41.000 Most of the protesters are saying, we're coming from out of town.

00:20:44.000 We're from this state.

00:20:45.000 I'm from two states away.

00:20:46.000 I'm from three states away for this totally organic protest.

00:20:50.000 Well, the cops, what they start doing, they have these guardrails on the sidewalk in front of the ICE facility.

00:20:56.000 And there's gaps inside of that barrier.

00:20:58.000 And so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps so that they stay behind the barrier.

00:21:03.000 And Lemon's like, why would they do that?

00:21:06.000 Why would they keep us compressed behind this barrier?

00:21:10.000 And I'm thinking, because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks, you idiot.

00:21:18.000 They want to keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out.

00:21:21.000 You literally stopped your car in the middle of the road, ran across the street to give these people Starbucks and then got back in your car.

00:21:28.000 And they're like, why is it that they're trying to keep us from getting into the road?

00:21:32.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:21:35.000 I just couldn't believe it.

00:21:36.000 It's like, what?

00:21:36.000 It's amazing when these people that are so smug, they're protected by a large organization by CNN, and then they get fired.

00:21:45.000 And then they're basically like a dog, like Carl, getting released into the woods, and then they have to fend for themselves.

00:21:54.000 And you see them in the world of podcasting where you don't have anybody writing things for you and you have to express your own opinions.

00:22:00.000 You're like, oh, this is the real year.

00:22:05.000 It turns out you're a moron.

00:22:08.000 I didn't know.

00:22:09.000 Whoa.

00:22:10.000 You know, the whole time, Max, he's thinking the whole time.

00:22:13.000 I never thought I'd be an entertainer.

00:22:14.000 I didn't think I'd do anything with podcast.

00:22:16.000 Never, never in a million years.

00:22:17.000 I never would have thought that.

00:22:19.000 You were an engineer or a robot?

00:22:21.000 A robotics mechanic, yeah.

00:22:22.000 A robotics mechanic.

00:22:24.000 How did you get involved in that?

00:22:26.000 Well, I was a gunsmith for years.

00:22:30.000 And there's no real applicable skills outside of that for anything, actually.

00:22:36.000 It doesn't really carry over in anything.

00:22:38.000 It's really its own thing.

00:22:40.000 You know, blueing, things like that.

00:22:41.000 It just doesn't carry over.

00:22:44.000 A friend of mine said, hey, look, because I told him, I was like, I need a job.

00:22:48.000 You know, I'm not making it.

00:22:50.000 What do you think?

00:22:51.000 He's like, you know, you should apply to be an industrial mechanic.

00:22:54.000 And I was like, I don't know much about it.

00:22:57.000 He's like, well, just go apply.

00:22:58.000 So I did, took an Aptude test.

00:22:59.000 And so the guy was like, well, I want to hire you at a level three, which was high.

00:23:04.000 It was like mid-range.

00:23:05.000 It wasn't the highest, wasn't the lowest.

00:23:08.000 And I was like, damn, okay.

00:23:09.000 You know, what's the pay?

00:23:10.000 He's like, it was like 30 an hour.

00:23:13.000 You know, that to me was life-changing.

00:23:16.000 So I took the job and I got, I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but they trained me up well.

00:23:20.000 And then there were some robots on the floor.

00:23:22.000 And I started working on those.

00:23:24.000 And then from there, they trained me in robotics.

00:23:27.000 And so it was all done on site.

00:23:29.000 What kind of automation?

00:23:31.000 Yeah, automation.

00:23:32.000 And it was all food-related.

00:23:34.000 Food related.

00:23:35.000 All food robots.

00:23:36.000 So we weren't dealing with Johnny 5.

00:23:36.000 Yep.

00:23:38.000 We were dealing with like vacuum systems and ovens and various robots which were associated with those.

00:23:44.000 Like for instance, there was a packaging machine that would just all it would do is form boxes.

00:23:49.000 That's all it did.

00:23:51.000 But it would form a thousand boxes a minute.

00:23:51.000 That's it.

00:23:54.000 And it was a giant robot and it had a huge sequence of functions on it.

00:23:59.000 When people think robot, they always think humanoid.

00:24:02.000 But almost no robot is in any way humanoid at all.

00:24:07.000 That's just not what they're for.

00:24:08.000 It is weird, right?

00:24:09.000 That we think of robots as like movie robots.

00:24:12.000 We think of iRobot.

00:24:14.000 Yeah, if you came across a robot in a factory, you would have no idea it was a robot.

00:24:19.000 You'd be like, what the hell is that?

00:24:21.000 So how did you go from that to debating people online?

00:24:26.000 COVID.

00:24:27.000 So the lockdowns happened and I was laid off.

00:24:30.000 All the food plants in Michigan were shut down, especially the meat plants.

00:24:33.000 And that's where I was.

00:24:34.000 I was in the meat plants.

00:24:36.000 And they all shut down because of the draconian restrictions of one Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

00:24:43.000 And anyway, while she was out on a boat partying with her honey, we were all locked out of work, right?

00:24:53.000 Familiar story.

00:24:54.000 Yeah, we had the stay-at-home orders, and I would argue with these dumb liberals on Facebook.

00:24:58.000 And they, oh man, they pissed me off.

00:25:01.000 And so I started crashing their panels and I would debate with them.

00:25:05.000 And, you know, I had a lot to say.

00:25:07.000 And those things started to become more and more popular.

00:25:10.000 And they would move over to YouTube.

00:25:11.000 People would clip it.

00:25:12.000 And then I started getting invited on to do debates with other people.

00:25:15.000 And I didn't know who these people were.

00:25:17.000 It wasn't my world.

00:25:18.000 Like, I didn't know who any of these podcasters were, you know, stuff like that.

00:25:21.000 I'd listened to it maybe occasionally online.

00:25:24.000 But I couldn't have told you who like Vosh was or Destiny or any of these people.

00:25:29.000 Like I didn't know who any of them were.

00:25:31.000 And I didn't care.

00:25:32.000 To me, it was just some other dumb smug liberal, you know?

00:25:35.000 So that's where I got my start.

00:25:38.000 I never would have foreseen at all that I'd be sitting here with you.

00:25:42.000 That's so interesting.

00:25:43.000 Well, I never would have foreseen I would have been here either.

00:25:46.000 It's weird, huh?

00:25:47.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:25:48.000 Very weird.

00:25:48.000 And I'll never get used to it.

00:25:50.000 People walk over and they're like, you're Andrew Wilson.

00:25:52.000 And I'm like, I'm fucking nobody.

00:25:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:56.000 But it's nice to meet you.

00:25:58.000 You have a chat with them.

00:25:58.000 You shake their hand.

00:26:00.000 I'll never get used to it.

00:26:02.000 No, you probably shouldn't.

00:26:03.000 It's probably better to not get, I'm not used to it.

00:26:05.000 Yeah, it's probably better to not be used to it.

00:26:08.000 Keep you sane.

00:26:10.000 And maybe keep you humble.

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 You need something.

00:26:13.000 You need something to keep you humble.

00:26:15.000 We all know people that did not have something that kept them humble and they lost their way.

00:26:20.000 The wheels fall off.

00:26:21.000 Yeah, they lose their marbles.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Especially as you get more and more famous, it becomes more and more unmanageable.

00:26:29.000 I feel like I'm pretty well grounded due to the fact that I didn't come from a political background.

00:26:36.000 There's no famous people in my family.

00:26:38.000 There's just none of that.

00:26:40.000 And so I feel like the grounding is always there because even from the family, you get the call from my brother, for instance.

00:26:48.000 He's been calling me the, I don't know if you can say the F-slur here, so I won't.

00:26:51.000 But he's been calling me, yeah, Faggot. 1.00

00:26:53.000 He's been like the phone call since I was 15.

00:26:56.000 What are you doing, Faggot? 1.00

00:26:57.000 Has not changed.

00:26:58.000 Good.

00:26:59.000 It has not changed.

00:27:00.000 42.

00:27:01.000 He's a happy birthday, Faggot. 1.00

00:27:04.000 That's normal.

00:27:05.000 Yeah.

00:27:06.000 I remember you were having a conversation.

00:27:08.000 I think it was on Pierce Morgan, who is the best cat wrangler in the business.

00:27:12.000 That's what he does.

00:27:13.000 He cat wrangles.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, I just talked to him briefly.

00:27:15.000 Is he okay?

00:27:16.000 Well, that's what I asked him.

00:27:16.000 On it.

00:27:17.000 I just said, yeah, I sent him a DM and I was like, hey, people don't know.

00:27:20.000 He fell.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, he fell.

00:27:22.000 And really fucked himself up.

00:27:23.000 And it was the hip.

00:27:24.000 And at his age, the hip, you know, you don't want to, nothing with the hip.

00:27:29.000 Every time I see anybody who's 60s, they get the hip injury.

00:27:34.000 It's bad.

00:27:35.000 Yeah, it's not good.

00:27:36.000 I think they think your lifespan at post-hip surgery is like 10 years.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, it's right.

00:27:43.000 He'll probably be better than that.

00:27:44.000 He will.

00:27:45.000 And I think he's mobile.

00:27:46.000 Oh, that's good.

00:27:47.000 He's mobile.

00:27:48.000 But I'm really good at hip replacements now.

00:27:50.000 I was like, what's, you know, are you doing?

00:27:52.000 He's like, yeah, you know, I'm doing okay.

00:27:54.000 And I was like, don't fuck around with the hips, dude.

00:27:57.000 It's crazy that he had to have a hip replacement.

00:27:59.000 Like, how bad was that fall?

00:28:02.000 I don't know what the details of it were, but.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:28:05.000 I felt like a suck of spuds, he wrote.

00:28:07.000 Wound up needing a new hip after fracturing the neck of his femur and is recovering from surgery.

00:28:13.000 In addition to being on crutches for six weeks, he won't be allowed to take any long-haul flights for at least 12 weeks.

00:28:19.000 He tripped on a small step inside of a London restaurant.

00:28:25.000 You think he was drunk?

00:28:26.000 He could have been a little fired up.

00:28:27.000 A little drunk.

00:28:28.000 It was also, you know, not the most fit or agile guy in the world.

00:28:32.000 True.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 He's only two years older than me.

00:28:36.000 No way.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 Really?

00:28:39.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:28:40.000 Yeah, damn.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:41.000 Some people don't take care of themselves.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, he got the crack.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, I got to quit these.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, he got the crack on the hip.

00:28:48.000 And I was like, man.

00:28:49.000 Do you think that American spirits are better than Marlboros for you?

00:28:54.000 Probably.

00:28:55.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 But they taste like shit.

00:28:57.000 Do they?

00:28:58.000 Is there a difference?

00:28:59.000 Do you really like the Marlboro taste?

00:29:01.000 You don't think you could get used to American spirits?

00:29:02.000 I think I could.

00:29:04.000 I've been trying the Cigarellos.

00:29:06.000 Those are really helpful.

00:29:07.000 Like the little mini cigarette cigars.

00:29:09.000 Ron White used to smoke those.

00:29:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:11.000 He just quit totally.

00:29:13.000 He went to a hypnotist, quit instantaneously, but those are loaded with nicotine.

00:29:19.000 Like way more nicotine than a cigarette.

00:29:22.000 He was smoking those little tins.

00:29:24.000 We have those.

00:29:25.000 What are those tins, Jamie?

00:29:27.000 Do you know what they are?

00:29:29.000 It's like a famous cigar company sells tins of these little tiny cigars.

00:29:35.000 And it's great if you don't have the time to smoke this.

00:29:38.000 Like you get out of a flight, you just want to have a small, but he inhales these motherfuckers like a cigarette.

00:29:43.000 That's brutal, dude.

00:29:45.000 That'll do you in.

00:29:46.000 And then washes it down with whiskey.

00:29:48.000 Well, he doesn't drink anymore either.

00:29:50.000 He quit drinking.

00:29:51.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 I think he went through it.

00:29:53.000 That was always in his bit, though.

00:29:54.000 He was always up there smoking and drinking.

00:29:56.000 And I always thought, I love that.

00:29:58.000 Well, he did it.

00:29:59.000 He did it till the wheels fell off.

00:30:01.000 And then the drinking was the big one.

00:30:04.000 You know, he went to a doctor and the doctor's like, you're going to die.

00:30:08.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 Like, your liver is not in good shape.

00:30:11.000 Like, if you back off now, you'll probably live.

00:30:13.000 If you don't, you're not.

00:30:14.000 You got like a few years left.

00:30:16.000 On alcoholics, too, they have it.

00:30:17.000 I don't know if he was one or not.

00:30:18.000 He might have just been like a heavy social drinker, but like real alcoholics, that's no way to live.

00:30:24.000 No.

00:30:25.000 I mean, they stink.

00:30:28.000 They're like, I mean, kind of everything about a real alcoholic is just they look completely unwell.

00:30:34.000 They're just kind of mangled, you know.

00:30:36.000 Yeah.

00:30:37.000 It's a weird disease, too, in that bad addiction is one that you can't quit.

00:30:42.000 You can't just cold turkey.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 You'll die.

00:30:45.000 There's only a couple of things that'll just kill you if you quit right away.

00:30:49.000 And alcohol is one of them, which is really crazy because it gets integrated into your biological system where you need it to stay alive.

00:30:56.000 Your body's like, okay, we're going to use this for fuel.

00:30:59.000 We're going to use this to function.

00:31:00.000 Yeah, they've been weaning people off alcohol with beer for centuries.

00:31:04.000 Is that what they used?

00:31:05.000 Beer?

00:31:05.000 They used beer.

00:31:07.000 They would just go, okay.

00:31:08.000 Well, it was pretty common to drink beer and ale with dinner.

00:31:11.000 They just wean you off with beer.

00:31:13.000 That makes sense.

00:31:14.000 They knew.

00:31:14.000 They knew hundreds of years ago books on how alcohol, you know, what are they, consumption or whatever they called it, it killed you if you just quit if you were an alcoholic.

00:31:25.000 And so they'd wean you off with beer.

00:31:26.000 Wonder when they started making hard liquor.

00:31:30.000 Because you would imagine fermented things like wine and beer were like the first things that people consumed.

00:31:36.000 I think it's been around for thousands, I mean, several thousand years.

00:31:39.000 I wonder.

00:31:40.000 I wonder how they figured it out.

00:31:41.000 I mean, the biggest, the biggest, what was it, the biggest distributor in Europe of wine was the Catholic Church.

00:31:47.000 Well, wine has certainly been around forever.

00:31:49.000 But like, what about hard liquor?

00:31:50.000 Jamie, put that into our sponsor perplexity.

00:31:53.000 When was the first known?

00:31:55.000 I mean, we don't really know because there's so much weird shit about history.

00:32:00.000 But like, what was the first in like documented hard liquor, like whiskey, vodka, shit like that?

00:32:10.000 That's the stuff that kills you.

00:32:11.000 If you die from beer, boy, you're fucking, you're going hard.

00:32:14.000 Like, Shane Gillis will sit here on a podcast and drink 16 Bud Lights.

00:32:20.000 First alcohol drinks were fermented things like beer, wine, mead.

00:32:25.000 Okay.

00:32:25.000 Thousands of years before true liquor.

00:32:27.000 Okay.

00:32:28.000 First recognizable liquor appears when people begin to distill.

00:32:33.000 Archaeological evidence shows fermented drinks.

00:32:36.000 Okay, that's around 7,000 BCE.

00:32:38.000 So clear evidence of true alcohol distillation.

00:32:42.000 Chinese rice beer distillates by about 800 BCE.

00:32:48.000 So a couple thousand years.

00:32:50.000 A couple thousand years.

00:32:51.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 Okay.

00:32:55.000 Wine into strong spirits.

00:32:57.000 The Arab alchemists. 1.00

00:32:59.000 Alcool.

00:33:00.000 Oh, interesting.

00:33:01.000 Using that term alcohol, the root of alcohol.

00:33:04.000 Well, they used alcohol as base for alchemy, too.

00:33:09.000 That was a base for trying to transmute metal.

00:33:12.000 I wonder if they were ever successful.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 They were never successful.

00:33:15.000 Nothing?

00:33:15.000 No.

00:33:16.000 It seems like a crazy thing to waste so much time on trying to turn lead into gold.

00:33:20.000 I mean, there was whole kingdoms spent trying to figure out how to do this.

00:33:25.000 Wow.

00:33:25.000 And it's just like, and they never.

00:33:27.000 I mean, you think about it, it makes sense, right?

00:33:29.000 If you're the first one, if you're the one who knows, like, you can just create as much wealth for yourself as you want.

00:33:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:37.000 And it's just amazing that they kept trying.

00:33:40.000 Must have been someone saying that they got it.

00:33:42.000 Just give me some money.

00:33:42.000 I got it, dude.

00:33:43.000 Oh, there's tons of frauds.

00:33:44.000 Yeah.

00:33:44.000 There was tons of frauds who were alchemists who, you know, they were that centuries version of a snake oil salesman.

00:33:51.000 You know, yeah, of course.

00:33:52.000 We can, we can turn.

00:33:53.000 And there was ones even in the 90s who were like, we can now turn base metals into gold.

00:33:58.000 I think there's something now where they can make some gold.

00:34:06.000 But I think it takes an incredible amount of energy.

00:34:10.000 It costs more to make than it's worth.

00:34:11.000 Right.

00:34:12.000 I think it's one of them deals.

00:34:13.000 Is that a fact?

00:34:15.000 I feel like I've read something like that fairly recently.

00:34:20.000 But it's here's a weird one.

00:34:22.000 Why gold?

00:34:23.000 Like, why does anybody give a fuck about this metal that you can't even use?

00:34:26.000 There's not much of it.

00:34:27.000 Right.

00:34:28.000 That's true.

00:34:29.000 There's 90% of all the gold ever discovered still in circulation.

00:34:29.000 What are they saying?

00:34:34.000 Right.

00:34:34.000 Yeah.

00:34:35.000 Well, China just found a huge vein of gold, an enormous amount.

00:34:40.000 But I mean, when you say enormous, it's like relative.

00:34:42.000 Yeah.

00:34:43.000 Because I think the entire world supply of gold would fit inside of a football field.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, there's not much of it.

00:34:49.000 It's very, I mean, very little of it is worth a lot.

00:34:49.000 Yeah.

00:34:52.000 I mean, even if you think a pirate's treasure chest, you know, it's not actually that much gold.

00:34:56.000 Right.

00:34:57.000 So it's, yeah, it's a box of gold as opposed to it.

00:35:00.000 It's extremely valuable.

00:35:01.000 And also, you can do things with it you can't do with other metals.

00:35:04.000 The same thing with silver.

00:35:05.000 You know, silver.

00:35:07.000 Scientists mimicking the Big Bang accidentally turned lead into gold.

00:35:11.000 Yeah, so this is the thing.

00:35:13.000 But I mean, again, I think mimicking the Big Bang, like, what are they using?

00:35:16.000 A particle collider?

00:35:17.000 Like, what are they doing?

00:35:20.000 Okay, how'd they do it?

00:35:22.000 How to steal a proton?

00:35:23.000 Protons found the nucleus of an atom.

00:35:25.000 So extremely small amounts.

00:35:28.000 Fact, a total of some 29 trillionths of a gram they made.

00:35:31.000 Okay, smashing lead atoms into each other extremely.

00:35:34.000 So it is a particle collider, I guess.

00:35:37.000 Working on the Alice experiment and the Large Hadron Collider.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:35:41.000 In Switzerland, incidentally produced small amounts of gold.

00:35:46.000 He just needed a particle.

00:35:48.000 That's all.

00:35:49.000 No big deal.

00:35:50.000 No big deal.

00:35:50.000 He just built it into a whole mountain.

00:35:52.000 And now they're building a second one, they said.

00:35:55.000 Building into a new mountain.

00:35:56.000 Right.

00:35:58.000 Well, there was one they were putting during the Clinton administration, they were building a particle collider somewhere in the middle of America.

00:36:06.000 Trying to figure out where it was.

00:36:08.000 I'm certain there's already more than one.

00:36:10.000 Oh, there's many particle colliders.

00:36:12.000 But I'm certain there's ones that are that are even probably larger and hidden than the one that's currently there.

00:36:17.000 You think so?

00:36:17.000 Really?

00:36:18.000 Oh, for sure.

00:36:18.000 Yeah.

00:36:19.000 What do you think they're doing with them?

00:36:20.000 Well, I mean, the military applications for that are like they're enormous.

00:36:25.000 I mean, the idea that you could make like some kind of particle weapon, you know, or something like this.

00:36:32.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:36:33.000 Yeah, there's no way that the U.S. military is going to let scientists have a gadget like that somewhere that they don't have complete control over.

00:36:41.000 There's no way.

00:36:42.000 I wonder, because I don't know what kind of military applications you would have for particle colliders.

00:36:51.000 I mean, for sure.

00:36:53.000 Big explosions, right?

00:36:54.000 There's probably, yeah, but you're just got a giant loop and you're slinging it.

00:36:59.000 You're smashing things together, right?

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 So, I mean, what do you do?

00:37:02.000 You can hair on it.

00:37:03.000 You smash things together.

00:37:04.000 You can make them go boomy-boom, right?

00:37:05.000 Kind of.

00:37:06.000 Well, the real concern with the Large Hadron Collider is they were going to create many black holes that were going to eat their way through the Earth that you wouldn't be able to stop them.

00:37:13.000 They would just like slide through the Earth.

00:37:16.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:37:17.000 I heard there was concern they're going to open up a portal to a different dimension.

00:37:21.000 I've heard like I've heard all sorts of things.

00:37:25.000 Yeah, we changed our timeline.

00:37:27.000 We're on the new timeline.

00:37:28.000 You know, the whole nine yards.

00:37:31.000 I've heard it all.

00:37:32.000 I'm just saying that anything.

00:37:33.000 It's just been my experience.

00:37:36.000 When I look through the historic record, that if there's any scientific gadget out there that looks like it has the potential to make something go boom, the United States military has a version of it somewhere.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:37:47.000 That makes sense.

00:37:48.000 But for whatever reason, they abandoned this one during the Clinton administration.

00:37:53.000 I don't remember why they abandoned it, but you could, people can, if they have access to the area where it's at, can still go inside of it and see what they started to build, but they never did.

00:38:05.000 But it would have been larger than the Large Hadron Collider.

00:38:08.000 I want to say it's in Georgia.

00:38:10.000 I don't remember, though, but it was going to be an enormous particle collider.

00:38:15.000 And for some reason, they just stopped funding to this thing.

00:38:19.000 Well, they're talking about funding another one that's twice the size of the one that they have now.

00:38:24.000 They say that they need more room to smash more particles together.

00:38:28.000 What are they trying to do?

00:38:29.000 I have no idea.

00:38:31.000 Like, that is way outside of my domain.

00:38:35.000 I can tell you, probably the same things you've heard, right?

00:38:39.000 They're trying to smash small particles together to see what happens.

00:38:43.000 That's what the kind of the official story is.

00:38:45.000 But it's funny because every time a new story comes out, it's like scientists smash this together with this and this happens.

00:38:50.000 And I'm always like, okay, well, what does that mean?

00:38:52.000 And you never get any of that, right?

00:38:54.000 Right.

00:38:54.000 This one was in Texas.

00:38:56.000 Oh, it was in Texas?

00:38:57.000 Yeah, the Clinton.

00:38:58.000 Yeah.

00:38:58.000 Okay, that's it.

00:38:59.000 Spent $2 billion on it and abandoned it.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:39:03.000 See if you can find some images of it.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, it's outside of Dallas.

00:39:06.000 Oh, it is outside of Dallas.

00:39:08.000 Okay.

00:39:09.000 Abandoned superconducting super collider site in 2008.

00:39:13.000 I wonder if you could buy it.

00:39:13.000 Wow.

00:39:14.000 That'd be fucking awesome.

00:39:17.000 Brogan's own particle collider.

00:39:20.000 I mean, there's nothing there.

00:39:21.000 It's just concrete.

00:39:22.000 Let me buy it.

00:39:23.000 What's the big deal?

00:39:24.000 Like that weird time machine out in the desert.

00:39:26.000 That was really funny.

00:39:27.000 Let me set up an archery range inside of it.

00:39:28.000 I confirmed this stuff last week.

00:39:30.000 Department of War confirms plans to scale direct energy weapons.

00:39:33.000 Did you see that thing with China?

00:39:35.000 Why would they need a hydro collider, though, right?

00:39:37.000 Or, you know, a particle collider.

00:39:39.000 Well, because they want to make stuff go boom.

00:39:41.000 Yeah, direct energy weapons.

00:39:44.000 Yes, the Department of War has direct energy weapons.

00:39:46.000 Yes, we are scaling them.

00:39:47.000 Wow.

00:39:48.000 Conspiracy theorists went wild over this.

00:39:50.000 Oh, of course.

00:39:51.000 Well, that was a lot of people.

00:39:52.000 The reality is.

00:39:52.000 You like a fallout rifle, though.

00:39:54.000 I do.

00:39:54.000 I want my plasma rifle.

00:39:56.000 Right.

00:39:56.000 I do.

00:39:57.000 Like, if they have plasma rifles, you're going to buy one, right?

00:39:59.000 Oh, for sure.

00:39:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:00.000 You could probably get a tax stamp.

00:40:01.000 It'd probably be like a lengthy thing to buy.

00:40:03.000 Oh, for sure.

00:40:05.000 I'm glad you're a gun guy because I wanted to bring up this whole thing with this guy, Predty.

00:40:11.000 And I haven't talked about it.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 We haven't done a podcast since that guy got killed.

00:40:16.000 But that whole thing, there's a lot of people that don't understand what's going on.

00:40:23.000 And why riots only in Minneapolis?

00:40:27.000 And why riots in the place where there's an ungodly amount of fraud that has been discovered?

00:40:34.000 Coincidentally, right around the same time.

00:40:36.000 Exactly.

00:40:37.000 Like instantaneously afterwards, the narrative completely changes.

00:40:40.000 Everybody forgets about the fraud.

00:40:42.000 Now all anybody cares about is ICE and fascists and Nazis.

00:40:46.000 And you know what a color revolution is.

00:40:51.000 Of course.

00:40:51.000 And for people that don't, it's a coordinated effort to cause chaos.

00:40:58.000 And this is a very coordinated thing.

00:41:00.000 The idea that this is an organic protest, these riots are organic, is nonsense.

00:41:06.000 It's provably nonsense because now they have access to the signal chats.

00:41:10.000 So they know that these, so these people.

00:41:13.000 Cam Higby, by the way.

00:41:14.000 Yeah.

00:41:15.000 He's been on the front lines of this.

00:41:18.000 The Crucible has been a big supporter of that effort, my channel.

00:41:23.000 I will often snipe his coverage while it's going on, send my audience over to send in super chats in order to keep this guy going.

00:41:31.000 I think that that work is critical.

00:41:33.000 It's critical work.

00:41:33.000 Yes.

00:41:34.000 And there's not that many people doing it anymore because of how dangerous it has become.

00:41:39.000 And so I'm a big supporter of that.

00:41:39.000 Yes.

00:41:41.000 Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says politically, but what he's doing on the ground there needs to happen.

00:41:46.000 Right.

00:41:47.000 You need to understand that this isn't organic, regardless of how you feel.

00:41:51.000 I don't feel that that guy should have been shot, but I understand what happened.

00:41:56.000 And what happened was chaos.

00:41:59.000 So, first of all, it wasn't ICE.

00:42:01.000 People need to understand that.

00:42:04.000 It was customs border patrol people.

00:42:06.000 So they were brought in to assist ICE.

00:42:09.000 And they're telling this lady to stand away. 1.00

00:42:12.000 And then this cop gets very aggressive and shoves her. 0.99

00:42:17.000 You have to understand the situation that they're in, right?

00:42:21.000 And this is not making an excuse for any of it.

00:42:23.000 But you have to just, just to put it into context, these people are getting harassed outside of any hotel they're at.

00:42:29.000 People blow horns.

00:42:30.000 They try to smash into the hotel.

00:42:32.000 They dox them. 0.98

00:42:33.000 They dox them. 0.98

00:42:34.000 That's why they're wearing masks.

00:42:35.000 It's a coordinated effort.

00:42:37.000 I'm not saying that guy should have shoved that guy.

00:42:38.000 I don't think he should have.

00:42:39.000 Or that woman. 0.99

00:42:40.000 I don't think he should have.

00:42:41.000 And then pepper sprayed.

00:42:43.000 And then the guy who got shot, Predi, he steps in, which is, if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol, but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage with someone.

00:43:03.000 You also are supposed to carry your license on you and you're supposed to, you're supposed to have ID on you.

00:43:09.000 All right.

00:43:10.000 And you're trained specifically for this, by the way.

00:43:12.000 I was a CPL instructor for years.

00:43:14.000 Okay.

00:43:15.000 So you know about it.

00:43:16.000 The thing is, there's a framework here.

00:43:18.000 If you don't mind if I add your framework, the framework here is this is a mathematical formula.

00:43:23.000 So I've been following these extremely closely live and looking at how this is done.

00:43:30.000 Let's go backwards in time.

00:43:31.000 You remember what was going on in California.

00:43:34.000 Nobody died in California.

00:43:36.000 There was an ICE raid on a Home Depot and they went nuts and they started smashing police cars.

00:43:41.000 They were starting fires, right?

00:43:43.000 This was not over somebody dying.

00:43:45.000 And now the narrative, they're trying to make the narrative shift.

00:43:48.000 The Gestapo is in here, you know, murdering American citizens.

00:43:52.000 Well, what was going on in California then?

00:43:55.000 Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there.

00:43:58.000 What was going on there was they did an ICE raid in a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows that it used to be that you'd drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot and you'd say two.

00:44:10.000 Right.

00:44:10.000 And they'd hop in the truck and you would, you know, they would go.

00:44:13.000 Yeah, they were day laborers, right?

00:44:15.000 So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids.

00:44:17.000 Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit.

00:44:20.000 And they all went ballistic.

00:44:22.000 Now, here's what was very curious about the coverage of that.

00:44:25.000 And I had a debate with a couple of leftists on this.

00:44:28.000 What I saw was what looked to me to be a police standdown order.

00:44:31.000 There was people who were breaking into, I don't remember if it was an AMCO or a 7-Eleven, but they were busting into it.

00:44:37.000 And the cops were on the side corner watching this go down and didn't do anything.

00:44:41.000 They didn't do anything about it.

00:44:44.000 If it got too rowdy, they'd clear it out and then they let them continue.

00:44:47.000 It looked like a standdown order, like you don't involve yourself.

00:44:50.000 Well, what I think these guys have figured out is a mathematical formula and it works like this.

00:44:55.000 If the local police are not going to protect the federal buildings, then it's left to the federal police to do this, right?

00:45:02.000 In this case, ICE is going to protect its own buildings.

00:45:04.000 The FBI is going to protect its own buildings.

00:45:06.000 If the local police aren't going to protect it and it's surrounded, then who does the protection then?

00:45:12.000 And this is why Trump, he unleashes the National Guard, but where?

00:45:16.000 To those federal buildings to protect those federal buildings.

00:45:19.000 That was the whole point of it.

00:45:22.000 And basically, anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's two federal buildings to protect them.

00:45:27.000 And so the mathematical formula works like this.

00:45:31.000 The longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job.

00:45:42.000 The chances that there's an incident, which is going to be a bad incident, is going to occur.

00:45:46.000 So basically, the longer you're there, the more attrition there is, the more engagements you have with these federal officers over time.

00:45:55.000 Eventually, there's going to be something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens, and they're banking on that.

00:46:03.000 And that's why ICE is out in front of these, or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings in front of many states night after night after night.

00:46:12.000 And it's designed specifically to make sure, it's just a math formula, right?

00:46:16.000 The longer we're here and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us.

00:46:23.000 You're knocking steel against Flint.

00:46:25.000 Yep.

00:46:25.000 Yeah.

00:46:26.000 You're waiting for the fire.

00:46:27.000 You're waiting for sparks.

00:46:28.000 And in this particular instance, this guy clearly had been very involved.

00:46:37.000 I don't know if he was a part of the signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest and you're fully armed like that with two magazines, it's kind of crazy, right?

00:46:48.000 Like, why do you need so many bullets?

00:46:50.000 Now the lives are all pro-Second Amendment, too.

00:46:53.000 That is why Dallas pro-Second Amendment, which I'm for.

00:46:56.000 He had every right.

00:46:59.000 He didn't last month, but okay.

00:47:01.000 I like it.

00:47:02.000 I like where it's going.

00:47:03.000 I like that because that's kind of a trap.

00:47:06.000 Did you see what MSNBC did to his image?

00:47:08.000 Yeah.

00:47:09.000 Where they gussied it?

00:47:10.000 He did the opposite of what CNN did to me.

00:47:13.000 You know, CNN during the COVID times turned me green and they made me ugly and looked like I was dying.

00:47:19.000 And they made him handsome.

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:20.000 So people would be more sympathetic to him getting shot, which is kind of wild.

00:47:24.000 Like, are ugly people less valuable to MSNBC?

00:47:28.000 Less marketable.

00:47:29.000 That is crazy to me.

00:47:32.000 Like, look at the difference.

00:47:33.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 They shortened up his face.

00:47:34.000 Look at the difference.

00:47:36.000 They gave him a little bit of a tan.

00:47:38.000 They widened his face a little bit, it seems like.

00:47:41.000 They just made him a little handsomer.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 A little hotter.

00:47:44.000 They gave him a bit of that Chad jaw, didn't they?

00:47:46.000 They shrunk his nose a little too, didn't they?

00:47:48.000 Yeah, they did.

00:47:49.000 They shrunk his nose.

00:47:50.000 Yeah.

00:47:50.000 Gave him a little bit of a handsome jaw.

00:47:52.000 So he looks like an American.

00:47:55.000 If you look at the shoulders, it even looks like they may have plumped up the shoulders there a bit.

00:47:59.000 A little bit.

00:47:59.000 Yeah, the one on the right looks like he's a little plumper.

00:48:03.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, they changed the tone of the color.

00:48:07.000 Wild.

00:48:08.000 I mean, they changed his fucking teeth, man.

00:48:12.000 Look, they gave him veneers.

00:48:12.000 Communist news news.

00:48:14.000 Look at the difference in his teeth.

00:48:16.000 He's a much more handsome guy.

00:48:18.000 Like, the one on the right is like the handsome brother.

00:48:21.000 And the one on the left is like, fuck.

00:48:23.000 Why couldn't I look on the one on the right brother?

00:48:23.000 Yeah.

00:48:25.000 Yeah, the one on the right, they were twins and he took more of the protein.

00:48:29.000 Right.

00:48:30.000 That was what happened.

00:48:31.000 The thing is, is like, this doesn't surprise me, by the way.

00:48:34.000 This is what's going on, and this is a well-orchestrated, well-crafted thing.

00:48:41.000 Yeah.

00:48:41.000 And the signal chats proved that, but we knew it anyway.

00:48:44.000 Yes.

00:48:45.000 Involving government, by the way.

00:48:47.000 Allegedly, at least.

00:48:48.000 Involving Minnesota State government.

00:48:50.000 Well, it involves Waltz.

00:48:51.000 Yes.

00:48:51.000 So that's not alleged.

00:48:53.000 That's not alleged.

00:48:53.000 Right.

00:48:54.000 It's not alleged that it involves Waltz.

00:48:55.000 It's not alleged that it involves Frey.

00:48:57.000 Right.

00:48:58.000 And it's not alleged.

00:48:59.000 Well, what is alleged is the allegations of fraud, of course.

00:49:02.000 But there would be a reason why you would want to distract from all that fraud.

00:49:06.000 Sure.

00:49:07.000 And that would motivate you to do something along these lines.

00:49:10.000 So let's go back to the instance.

00:49:13.000 So you've got these cops that are on these CBP guys that are on high alert, right?

00:49:20.000 There's a lot of tension.

00:49:21.000 People are screaming.

00:49:23.000 If you're in an environment like that all day, like I've never been a police officer, but I was a security guard.

00:49:28.000 And when I was a security guard for Great Woods, by the way, I'm not comparing this in any way, but I'm just explaining my mentality when I was there.

00:49:36.000 It was very much us versus them. 0.96

00:49:40.000 It was a small group of guys that were working at, I worked at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts.

00:49:50.000 It's a concert venue in Mansfield.

00:49:52.000 And this was when I was fighting.

00:49:54.000 So it was me and a bunch of guys from my Taekwondo team got hired to be security guards.

00:50:02.000 One of the guys came and said, hey, you guys want to get a job working as a security guard?

00:50:06.000 You get to see concerts and it was like a good pay.

00:50:06.000 It's great.

00:50:09.000 And, you know, I was doing a bunch of random jobs back then while I was competing just to sort of pay bills.

00:50:15.000 And I said, yeah, okay, what do I have to do?

00:50:17.000 And like, it's nothing.

00:50:18.000 You just go there and you work.

00:50:19.000 First day on the job, I go there.

00:50:22.000 Some guy had stolen one of the security golf carts.

00:50:25.000 So there's this dude named Alley Cat.

00:50:26.000 He was the head guy of security.

00:50:28.000 He was fucking character.

00:50:29.000 Hilarious.

00:50:30.000 His main dream was to open up a bar.

00:50:34.000 Alley cats, libations, and victuals.

00:50:36.000 He had this whole dream of just a real character.

00:50:39.000 But this guy was a hardcore motherfucker.

00:50:43.000 And they caught the guy who stole this golf cart, tackled him to the ground, and he was beating him in the face with a walkie-talkie.

00:50:52.000 This is my first day on the job.

00:50:53.000 So I'm like, okay, so this is what we're doing.

00:50:57.000 And we kind of became like almost like cops for this place.

00:51:01.000 But there was very much an us versus them mentality.

00:51:05.000 And it turns out it was a lot more involved than I ever thought it was.

00:51:08.000 And then one day I was at a Neil Young concert.

00:51:11.000 I was working the Neil Young concert and riots broke out.

00:51:14.000 There was fire.

00:51:14.000 It was cold out and there was like a grassy area.

00:51:18.000 So there was like a lawn.

00:51:19.000 So it was like there's the inside, not inside, it was like an outdoor concert venue, but there was a roof to part of it.

00:51:25.000 And then the back of it was like this lawn area that was in the back.

00:51:28.000 And these guys had started bonfires up there.

00:51:31.000 And we were supposed to go in there and break up the bonfires.

00:51:34.000 And then my friend Larry, who is like one of the most mild-mannered guys you would ever want to meet, but elite black belt. 0.98

00:51:43.000 He gets in a fight with this guy and some guy pushes him and he knocks this guy down.

00:51:48.000 And I'm like, okay, chaos has broken out.

00:51:50.000 Let's get the fuck out.

00:51:51.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.85

00:51:51.000 I'm like, let's quit. 0.85

00:51:52.000 And I used to wear a hoodie.

00:51:54.000 I used to carry a hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie over my security outfit and like, bye.

00:51:59.000 Because I knew there was going to come a time where I was like, I'm not getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever, stomping for 20 bucks an hour or whatever the fuck I was doing.

00:52:06.000 So I wound up leaving that day.

00:52:08.000 But there was a very, and I, it was, I remember very clearly, like, oh, this is probably what happens with cops times a million.

00:52:16.000 Like, you develop this us versus them because it was very much us.

00:52:20.000 We would meet up at the beginning of our shift.

00:52:22.000 We would all talk about what's going down.

00:52:24.000 We're mostly catching people that were bringing in alcohol, like women in their purses would, you know, like some Carly Simon or something be playing. 0.84

00:52:33.000 They'd sneak in a bottle of wine that, you know, James Taylor, you know, there was a lot of that.

00:52:38.000 And so we would, we'd have like literal fucking trash cans filled with bottles of wine and liquor at the end of the night.

00:52:46.000 We would get to keep them.

00:52:47.000 We'd take them home.

00:52:49.000 And so this us versus them.

00:52:51.000 Well, that's a nice perk.

00:52:51.000 It was kind of fun.

00:52:52.000 Yeah, that's a nice perk.

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:54.000 It's like, also, it was illegal to drink.

00:52:56.000 I was only 19 at the time.

00:52:58.000 An even nicer perk?

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:53:00.000 It was very clearly us versus them. 0.60

00:53:03.000 And the tensions were very high.

00:53:06.000 Like whenever some weird shit went down, everybody puffed up their chest and everybody was ready to throw down.

00:53:11.000 And I was like, this job is not good.

00:53:13.000 But it educated me.

00:53:15.000 And in my mind, I was like, okay, this must be like this when you're a police officer, again, times a million.

00:53:15.000 I was like, okay.

00:53:22.000 That to think of what's going on.

00:53:24.000 That's why they have their codes, right?

00:53:26.000 They have their oaths they take and then they have their little codes to each other, too.

00:53:30.000 Exactly.

00:53:31.000 But I wouldn't, I don't blame them.

00:53:32.000 I don't blame them.

00:53:33.000 Like it seems completely, there's a certain wisdom to this.

00:53:37.000 Like, hey, look, that could be me.

00:53:39.000 And so if it's you, I'm going to be right there with you.

00:53:39.000 100%.

00:53:42.000 100%.

00:53:43.000 And then if it's me, you're going to be right there with me.

00:53:45.000 I get it.

00:53:46.000 Also, there's a tremendous amount of social media content that anybody could access at any given time where a lot of these dorks are calling for violence.

00:53:55.000 You know, it's just, it's all over the place.

00:53:58.000 You could find it.

00:53:59.000 The least likely people that would ever be involved in any sort of an altercation are on TikTok calling for violence.

00:54:07.000 We got to kill these motherfuckers. 1.00

00:54:08.000 We've got to shoot these motherfuckers. 1.00

00:54:10.000 And these guys are out there in the middle of that.

00:54:12.000 All right.

00:54:13.000 So tensions are high as fuck.

00:54:15.000 And they're getting screamed at all the time.

00:54:17.000 They're on red alert.

00:54:18.000 They're wearing vests.

00:54:19.000 They're carrying.

00:54:20.000 Their wives are getting called and threatened.

00:54:21.000 And they're saying they're going to rape their kids.

00:54:23.000 And they're saying that they're going to brutalize their family members.

00:54:26.000 And they give them calls in the middle of the night and they whisper to them, well, how's your dad such and such doing?

00:54:31.000 You know, and just cryptic things like that and let it go.

00:54:33.000 Uh-huh.

00:54:34.000 Exactly.

00:54:35.000 And this is very coordinated.

00:54:36.000 It's very coordinated and organized.

00:54:39.000 And the way they find out all their information is very creepy.

00:54:43.000 So again, I don't think this guy should have pushed that lady.

00:54:46.000 I mean, the way he did it was very violent.

00:54:48.000 She was a small woman and he shoved her very violently to the ground. 0.96

00:54:52.000 Then this other guy, Predi, gets in between them.

00:54:55.000 Okay, which again, if you are a concealed carry holder is a giant no-no.

00:55:00.000 You do not fucking do that.

00:55:01.000 You do not engage with law enforcement when you're armed.

00:55:04.000 You shouldn't engage with anyone ever, ever.

00:55:08.000 You should be avoiding, you should be trained to avoid conflict.

00:55:11.000 Yes.

00:55:11.000 That's the whole thing.

00:55:13.000 If you're armed, you move into that next level of you need to really be avoiding conflict.

00:55:18.000 You're not supposed to be in bars drinking.

00:55:20.000 Exactly.

00:55:20.000 You're not supposed to be at big parties and things like this where violent things can occur.

00:55:25.000 Exactly.

00:55:26.000 You know, you can take it to church, defend the church.

00:55:28.000 Other than that, you're supposed to be avoiding conflict.

00:55:31.000 Exactly.

00:55:32.000 So he gets in between the officer and this woman, puts his hands on the officer, and then he gets pepper sprayed.

00:55:42.000 They go to the ground.

00:55:44.000 There's a lot of scrambling going on.

00:55:46.000 Now, you have to understand what happens when you get pepper sprayed.

00:55:49.000 Okay.

00:55:50.000 I've never been pepper sprayed, but I did get tear gassed once during Fear Factor.

00:55:54.000 We did a Fear Factor stunt where these people had to, I forget what they had to do, but we had built this, there was like a structure, and they were inside the structure, and they released tear gas and discharged.

00:56:05.000 I got hit with it.

00:56:06.000 It's pretty brutal.

00:56:07.000 It's painful.

00:56:08.000 Yeah, it sucks.

00:56:09.000 And he can't breathe.

00:56:10.000 You can't breathe.

00:56:11.000 Your eyes swell up.

00:56:12.000 Your nose starts running like crazy.

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:15.000 And that shit stays on your clothes.

00:56:17.000 You don't think well when that happens.

00:56:19.000 So this guy's clearly not thinking well and he can't see and he's, you know, and then they're on him, right?

00:56:26.000 So they're on him.

00:56:28.000 And then one guy, whether he yells out, he's got a gun or grabs the gun first, I'm not sure.

00:56:37.000 But he has a gun.

00:56:39.000 So they see his gun in the middle of the scramble.

00:56:42.000 The guy pulls his gun out and moves off.

00:56:44.000 Now, this is where it gets weird.

00:56:48.000 I believe the gun was a SIG P thron 320.

00:56:53.000 A SIG P320 is known for having accidental discharges.

00:56:59.000 It has a reputation for it.

00:57:01.000 It has a very specific type of striker.

00:57:03.000 It doesn't have a safety the way some other guns do.

00:57:08.000 And you can have negligent discharges with SIGs.

00:57:11.000 Now, is the P320, is that a hammered model?

00:57:14.000 Yes.

00:57:15.000 Okay, so it's not a striker fire.

00:57:16.000 No, wait a minute.

00:57:17.000 No, no, it is a striker fire.

00:57:20.000 Let's pull it up because I'm not, I know that 365 is built very differently.

00:57:25.000 The 320 breaks cleaner.

00:57:28.000 I thought the 320 had a hammer was double action and single action.

00:57:32.000 And then you might be right.

00:57:34.000 I didn't think it was a striker fire.

00:57:36.000 Most of the P models are not striker fires that I'm aware of.

00:57:39.000 I could be wrong.

00:57:40.000 Well, the 365, the P365 is definitely different than the 320.

00:57:44.000 They have a different striking mechanism.

00:57:46.000 They're known for accidental discharges.

00:57:48.000 Okay.

00:57:49.000 I can't tell if that's a hammer underneath the slide.

00:57:52.000 Well, let's just, what is the trigger mechanism of a SIG P320?

00:58:00.000 Put that in there.

00:58:01.000 And what is it that makes it prone to accidental discharges?

00:58:06.000 If you look up SIG P320 online in any search engine, accidental discharge comes up very quickly.

00:58:12.000 It is striker-fired.

00:58:13.000 Okay.

00:58:13.000 Yeah.

00:58:13.000 Okay.

00:58:14.000 So it's a modular striker-fired trigger mechanism.

00:58:17.000 When pressed, trigger bar moves forward, disengage the safety, lever and seer releasing the striker.

00:58:21.000 Okay, so it's a striker-fired pistol.

00:58:23.000 Got it.

00:58:23.000 Okay.

00:58:24.000 So as of 2017, SIG changed the way they make their guns because the trigger itself was heavier than what it is now.

00:58:36.000 And not just the pull, but the actual mechanism of the trigger was heavier.

00:58:39.000 If you drop it, so if this is the barrel of the gun where the bullet comes out and this is where you're holding on your hand, if you drop it, it'll discharge.

00:58:48.000 And it'll discharge without moving the slide, which is kind of crazy.

00:58:52.000 Because what happens is something in the dropping it on the back where the handle is.

00:58:58.000 Releases the disconnector, probably.

00:59:00.000 It causes that heavier trigger, the heavier weight to the trigger, to drop down and it will discharge.

00:59:07.000 As of 2017, they made the trigger lighter and it doesn't do that anymore.

00:59:11.000 And there's a whole YouTube video where this guy explains it and shows that you can do it with the older models.

00:59:17.000 If you drop them, if you drop them on their side, they don't do it.

00:59:20.000 If you drop them barrel first, they don't do it.

00:59:22.000 But if you drop them handle first and it hits the back where you hold it, where the, you know, the, what is it called?

00:59:29.000 The beaver tailed gun sits.

00:59:31.000 The internal hammer drops and bang.

00:59:33.000 Exactly.

00:59:34.000 And it's one of the only guns that does that.

00:59:35.000 Yeah.

00:59:36.000 And so much so that I believe, you should search this.

00:59:39.000 I believe the Dallas Police Department stopped issuing them to their officers.

00:59:45.000 See if that's true.

00:59:48.000 Before I go further, because I don't want to get into any legal weeds here.

00:59:52.000 But I have one.

00:59:53.000 I have a 320.

00:59:54.000 I've never had a problem with it.

00:59:57.000 Dallas police suspends use of pistol manufacturer.

00:59:57.000 Here it is.

01:00:00.000 Okay.

01:00:01.000 And it's because of that.

01:00:01.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 So what are these chambered in?

01:00:05.000 940?

01:00:06.000 It's 9.

01:00:07.000 They're 9.

01:00:07.000 9.

01:00:08.000 But the so that's the gun this guy has.

01:00:13.000 So when this CBP officer grabs his gun, he's moving off and it appears, it's very grainy, the video.

01:00:23.000 It appears there's an accidental discharge.

01:00:27.000 Now, you can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger.

01:00:32.000 If there's any kind of pressure on the trigger, if it is a modified trigger, if there's anything that engages with it, even a slight amount, and you move the slide at all, that gun will go off.

01:00:45.000 And there's videos of it online.

01:00:47.000 You could find videos online.

01:00:48.000 See if you can find videos of it online where a guy shows how you can get that gun to negligent discharge because it will.

01:00:57.000 It will.

01:00:58.000 At least the pre-2017 model.

01:01:02.000 I didn't see his hand go on the slide of the gun, though.

01:01:05.000 Yeah.

01:01:05.000 Well, he's holding it, you know, it's the hard thing is it's fucking glory.

01:01:10.000 I can't see.

01:01:11.000 I looked at it from both angles, but it looked to me like he was holding it with no finger on the trigger.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:19.000 But it does seem like, at least in some of the takes that I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems like that gun might have negligent discharged.

01:01:29.000 Now, usually when someone's holding a gun and there's a negligent discharge, it's because they pulled the trigger, right?

01:01:36.000 Right.

01:01:36.000 So in this case, let's, I mean, I'm going to assume it for a second.

01:01:40.000 So the gun drops on the side, striker fired.

01:01:43.000 Let's say it's, I don't know what the mechanism is, but let's say the disconnector that makes the disconnector go.

01:01:47.000 The hammer drops, bam, it hits the primer, gun fires.

01:01:50.000 Gun fires, hits the ground.

01:01:52.000 These guys think they hear gun.

01:01:54.000 These guys think this guy might have a gun in the scramble.

01:01:58.000 They don't know.

01:01:58.000 This is all set up.

01:02:00.000 High pressure, they open fire on him.

01:02:02.000 That's what I believe happened.

01:02:05.000 You know, so when people say, oh, they straight up executed this guy.

01:02:09.000 I think you better, there's a little more nuance.

01:02:12.000 There's more nuance to it.

01:02:13.000 There's the fog of chaos.

01:02:13.000 There's chaos.

01:02:15.000 You're in the middle of this very high-stress situation where you've already pepper sprayed this guy.

01:02:22.000 Now you're in a physical scramble.

01:02:23.000 Someone says he has a gun, gun goes off, bang, bang, bang.

01:02:27.000 You're just shooting.

01:02:28.000 I'm assuming.

01:02:29.000 This is just a lot of, you know, a lot of guesses.

01:02:32.000 But that's a lot of bad stuff that has to happen in sequence.

01:02:35.000 Yes.

01:02:36.000 Like the fact, even if this gun is recalled, there's a model that had these issues, right?

01:02:42.000 I'm guessing that it wasn't every one of them that had the issues.

01:02:45.000 Some of them, right?

01:02:46.000 Probably not all.

01:02:48.000 And if it's because it has to have a lot of force for it to go off or the slide has to be, you know, you have to be moving the slide or something like this.

01:02:56.000 What I saw was him holding the pistol, how you or I would hold the pistol with the finger off the trigger.

01:03:03.000 I did not actually see what would have caused that force.

01:03:06.000 This is where it gets weird.

01:03:08.000 So there have been documented instances, like the SIG P320.

01:03:15.000 There's a lot of legal stuff involved in this.

01:03:19.000 There's tons of cases.

01:03:21.000 Some of them are bullshit.

01:03:22.000 Like there was one cop where they said the cop got shot because the gun accidentally went off and everybody's like, oh man, SIG's in trouble.

01:03:30.000 Turns out that cop had to recant that.

01:03:32.000 And he accidentally hit the trigger and shot a cop.

01:03:36.000 So this is one.

01:03:37.000 So this guy, his gun just goes off.

01:03:41.000 Now he doesn't have his finger on the trigger.

01:03:43.000 It just goes off.

01:03:44.000 Now there's another one where a cop is in the middle of a precinct and he leans forward.

01:03:50.000 He's got the holster on the outside.

01:03:52.000 He leans forward and the gun goes off.

01:03:54.000 He does not have his hand on the trigger.

01:03:56.000 He's not touching the gun at all.

01:03:58.000 See if you can find the one where the cop does it.

01:04:01.000 So there's a cop where he's in the precinct.

01:04:04.000 His gun is now.

01:04:05.000 Here's the question: Was there something touching the trigger?

01:04:08.000 Was it the holster bad?

01:04:10.000 Was there debris in it?

01:04:11.000 Was there something?

01:04:13.000 Was his shirt touching it?

01:04:15.000 Did he jam the gun in the holster and maybe his shirt got stuck in and touched the trigger?

01:04:20.000 There's also the second gun theory.

01:04:21.000 And then he moves forward if the guy had a second gun.

01:04:24.000 There's also the second gun theory.

01:04:26.000 So I understand what you're saying, and maybe it met all of the conditions for that.

01:04:32.000 It does seem unlikely to me, but it's possible that he's just holding it and it just happens to go off.

01:04:38.000 It would seem unlikely with any other gun.

01:04:40.000 So if the guy had a Glock.

01:04:41.000 But both of these cases are from the holster.

01:04:43.000 This guy's grabbing from the holster.

01:04:45.000 He's grabbing from the holster.

01:04:46.000 Well, the cop had already pulled it out of the holster.

01:04:48.000 And now he's holding it and then it goes off.

01:04:50.000 Right, but it's so low resolution, it's hard to see what's going on with his hands.

01:04:55.000 So if there had been some funkiness with the trigger, you know, who knows where he got the gun?

01:05:04.000 Who knows whether or not that gun had an aftermarket trigger?

01:05:07.000 Who knows what's going on?

01:05:09.000 But as he's doing this, you're in the middle of the chaos.

01:05:12.000 You're ramped up with adrenaline.

01:05:13.000 Who knows if that guy accidentally, while he was holding it, put pressure on the slide and caused that gun to negligent discharge?

01:05:20.000 I don't know.

01:05:21.000 This is the speculation.

01:05:22.000 And the reason why the speculation is so it's it's this is something worth talking about is because it's a SIG P320.

01:05:31.000 And there's so many stories about that.

01:05:33.000 It's not outside the realm of possibility, in other words.

01:05:35.000 Right.

01:05:35.000 Which is the worst case scenario, right?

01:05:37.000 You got all this chaos and then you got that fucking gun and that gun goes off.

01:05:42.000 Let me ask you this.

01:05:43.000 Let's say we adjust for this.

01:05:45.000 There's an investigation.

01:05:47.000 Turns out that this 320 model was one of the ones that, you know, was an older model or something like this, or it was issued after the fact.

01:05:55.000 And it's newer.

01:05:57.000 Let's just say it's newer and they've gotten this design flaw out of there.

01:06:00.000 Let's just assume for a second.

01:06:03.000 All those things being equal now, right?

01:06:06.000 When a leftist points at that and says, that's an execution, what's your opinion then?

01:06:12.000 If it's the case, there is no negligent discharge.

01:06:16.000 There is none of that.

01:06:19.000 How would you view it then?

01:06:20.000 Well, it's an extremely unfortunate case of what happens during chaos.

01:06:27.000 I don't think it's an execution.

01:06:29.000 I don't think they pulled the gun from him and then just shot him.

01:06:31.000 But that's rhetoric being used, right?

01:06:33.000 It is.

01:06:34.000 But, you know, which you're automatically going to have if you have a guy get shot.

01:06:43.000 Can we watch a video?

01:06:44.000 Let's watch a video and see if we can discern when the shot fires off.

01:06:50.000 Because does it before or after they say he's got a gun?

01:06:53.000 Because someone says he has a gun.

01:06:55.000 One of the officers removes the gun and then a shot goes off.

01:06:59.000 Now, there's another speculation that the guy who shot him had a negligent discharge.

01:07:05.000 He didn't, like maybe he had his hand on the trigger and he got a little amped up and it went off and then he just fucking kept firing to him.

01:07:11.000 Kept going.

01:07:12.000 That's possible too.

01:07:14.000 I'm not exactly sure.

01:07:16.000 There's a ton of angles, a ton of different cell phone angles.

01:07:20.000 None of them are really crystal clear.

01:07:22.000 And the thing that's interesting about this is I'm even willing to kind of grant it to the left, just on appearance alone for a second, just for the sake of like logically taking this to its conclusion.

01:07:33.000 Let's say that the cops were totally wrong on this.

01:07:36.000 They messed the whole thing up.

01:07:38.000 They screwed it up.

01:07:40.000 It was a negligent discharge from the officer himself.

01:07:43.000 It killed this guy.

01:07:44.000 It was totally unjustified.

01:07:46.000 Okay, but now what?

01:07:48.000 Right?

01:07:49.000 Is it the case that we're going to, what, stop deporting illegal immigrants?

01:07:54.000 We're going to stop, you know, that ICE is going to stop, Border Patrol is going to stop doing its job.

01:07:58.000 ICE is going to stop doing its job because of a single incident, even if all of the officers involved were incorrect?

01:08:04.000 Of course not.

01:08:05.000 That's ridiculous, right?

01:08:06.000 The thing about this incident is it's being used as a catalyst to now say they're the Gestapo, just like they were trying to do with Rene.

01:08:14.000 They're the Gestapo.

01:08:15.000 They're here to be the jackbooted thugs of the Trump administration.

01:08:21.000 That's being used now as the new rallying cry and catalyst for the, and it's post hoc justification.

01:08:26.000 That's what makes me so angry about is it's like, no, no, no.

01:08:30.000 You're out here doing all of this long before anybody was getting shot by ICE, okay?

01:08:36.000 You're doing this long before there was any supposed abuses by ICE.

01:08:39.000 It seems like what they do is they set up the reactions, right?

01:08:43.000 They set up the conditions, maximize the conditions for horrible actions to happen.

01:08:48.000 And then when they do, they use those as the justification for why they were ever out there in the first place.

01:08:52.000 And it's like, what's going on here?

01:08:54.000 That's what bothers me.

01:08:56.000 Right.

01:08:56.000 This is the quintessential description of the color revolution.

01:09:00.000 I mean, they're trying to create chaos.

01:09:04.000 And it's, again, it's very well funded and very well organized.

01:09:09.000 It's not as simple as this is an organic protest that people are fired up because ICE is in their community.

01:09:15.000 That's not really what's going on.

01:09:17.000 But I think there's a lot of good people that are wrapped up in that that think they're doing a good thing.

01:09:17.000 Not at all.

01:09:23.000 And they really do think they're fighting fascism because they exist in these bubbles.

01:09:27.000 And they're not.

01:09:28.000 I believe them.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:29.000 I do believe them that they think that they're fighting against fascism.

01:09:33.000 And I've debated with enough of these people on what historically fascism is in comparison to what they perceive it as, that I do think that they believe that 100%.

01:09:45.000 I just think it's an unjustified belief.

01:09:47.000 And I think it's ridiculous.

01:09:49.000 It's not accurate.

01:09:50.000 It's not accurate.

01:09:51.000 You know, one of the things that we went over the other day is we talked about the deportations, right?

01:09:57.000 And that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million deportations, but 1.6 of them were like self-deportations.

01:10:07.000 1.6 of them were like people were notified and they said, well, just get the fuck out of here.

01:10:11.000 I don't want to be in jail.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, good.

01:10:12.000 And then a half a million of them were, and then, but people are saying very few of them have been violent criminals.

01:10:20.000 But we found out there was like 8%.

01:10:23.000 This is just 8% of what we know has been caught.

01:10:26.000 That is a lot of violent criminals.

01:10:28.000 If you go to half a million people and 8% of them are murderers and rapists, and they snuck in during, not even snuck in, because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years, somewhere to the tune of, let's be like super charitable.

01:10:42.000 Let's say it's only 10 million because I think it's a lot more.

01:10:45.000 It's a lot more.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, they don't really know the number because it's really the numbers that they're giving are based on interactions, right?

01:10:52.000 But how many people snuck through and they didn't have an interaction with them?

01:10:55.000 It's a lot, man.

01:10:56.000 It's a lot of people.

01:10:57.000 And they did this shit on purpose.

01:10:59.000 And they did this shit because they want more congressional seats because the census doesn't count citizens.

01:11:05.000 It doesn't count legal citizens.

01:11:06.000 It just counts human beings.

01:11:08.000 So the more citizens you have in an area, the more congressional seats you have.

01:11:12.000 And then there's places like California that make it illegal to show your ID.

01:11:18.000 You're not allowed.

01:11:19.000 Not only are you not supposed, which you should have to show your fucking ID when you vote.

01:11:23.000 Yes.

01:11:24.000 Right.

01:11:24.000 So we know that you're legally voting.

01:11:26.000 They made it so you can't show your ID, which is the only, you could steal man this to the end of time.

01:11:34.000 The only reason why you do that is because you want to cheat.

01:11:37.000 Of course.

01:11:37.000 It's the only reason.

01:11:38.000 Of course.

01:11:38.000 Well, it's not just that, but you make a good compelling point here.

01:11:42.000 The idea, even if it was the case, let's just say almost none of them are violent criminals.

01:11:48.000 Let's just give it to them.

01:11:49.000 Just kind of for the sake of argument here.

01:11:51.000 We'll give it to them.

01:11:52.000 So what?

01:11:53.000 The people don't want them here.

01:11:55.000 That's it.

01:11:56.000 These are supposed to be the biggest believers in democracy and republicanism ever.

01:12:01.000 That's what they're fighting against is the evil fascists.

01:12:03.000 It's like, well, here the people spoke, okay?

01:12:05.000 I'm going to say.

01:12:06.000 And the people said, we don't want illegal immigrants here. 1.00

01:12:10.000 We want them out of here.

01:12:11.000 It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality.

01:12:17.000 If you're really a big believer in the Republic like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job, you impede it at every turn?

01:12:26.000 Yeah, they don't want it to happen.

01:12:28.000 They don't.

01:12:28.000 Because it was a part of the strategy for a uniparty.

01:12:33.000 I mean, this is what Elon came on and was, you know, was very passionate about wanting to explain this to people.

01:12:42.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why he did it before the election.

01:12:44.000 Like, you have to understand the plan that's in place.

01:12:47.000 And what they're doing is they're trying to make it so that no one but the Democrats can ever win ever again.

01:12:52.000 And one of the best ways to do that is to ship untold numbers of people to swing states.

01:12:58.000 Which is what they're doing.

01:12:59.000 That's what they did.

01:13:00.000 They didn't just do it.

01:13:01.000 They flew them out there.

01:13:02.000 They gave them EBT cards.

01:13:04.000 They put them on Social Security.

01:13:06.000 We had this woman, we documented, we talked about this woman who worked for, God, I forget which department, but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what she described, they described to her as clients.

01:13:22.000 And so you would tell these people, are you, yes.

01:13:26.000 So her question was to them, do you have a permanent disability?

01:13:32.000 So do you have headaches?

01:13:34.000 Does your back hurt?

01:13:35.000 I get headaches.

01:13:36.000 My back hurts.

01:13:37.000 I guess I'm permanently disabled.

01:13:38.000 And all you have to do is like, you don't have to have like clear evidence that you have all your fucking discs surfused and you can't walk or you have. 0.75

01:13:46.000 No, you just have to have a fucking back hurt.

01:13:49.000 Your back hurts.

01:13:50.000 Well, what fucking man who's a laborer who's 35 years old doesn't have fucking back pain like y'all do.

01:13:58.000 So they come to you, they say, do you have headaches and back pain?

01:14:00.000 What man is an office worker doesn't have back pain.

01:14:03.000 Right.

01:14:03.000 Exactly.

01:14:04.000 Fucking everybody does.

01:14:05.000 You get older, you get back pain, especially if you don't take care of your back.

01:14:07.000 And so these guys are all being roped into the system, and then they get money.

01:14:15.000 They get social security money.

01:14:17.000 They get money from taxpayers essentially forever.

01:14:22.000 So if you can get those people to vote, they will most certainly vote for the people that are giving them that money, right?

01:14:29.000 Of course, most certainly vote for the people that are moving them into the Roosevelt Hotel and just like how Muslims will vote, even though at the local level they oppose all leftist policy. 0.99

01:14:38.000 They'll vote at a national level for leftists because they bring in their family members.

01:14:42.000 They bring in, they allow the importation of people that they want here. 0.99

01:14:47.000 So yeah, they utilize the system for the aims.

01:14:52.000 And for Democrats, this is all good.

01:14:54.000 And of course, for Republicans, it's all bad.

01:14:56.000 And Elon's right.

01:14:58.000 He is right that Democrats, and here's what I see, the bird's eye view, right?

01:15:03.000 Trump, what they're going to do, Democrats are going to win the midterms by hook or by crook. 0.57

01:15:08.000 They're going to win the midterms.

01:15:10.000 And when they do, if they have the power in the House to do this, they're going to impeach him day one.

01:15:15.000 And we'll have now it'll be the thrice impeached president, right?

01:15:18.000 And they'll obstruct him.

01:15:20.000 They'll obstruct his agenda the entire step of the way under this elongated impeachment, and they'll just run out the clock.

01:15:27.000 They'll just run it out.

01:15:29.000 It's all pretty fucking crazy.

01:15:31.000 It's really crazy.

01:15:32.000 Gadsad has a great way to describe this.

01:15:36.000 He calls it suicidal empathy.

01:15:38.000 And, you know, a lot of these people that are on the left that are self-described leftists, they're very kind people and they want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people.

01:15:52.000 And they don't understand they're being used as pawns by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control.

01:16:01.000 And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK.

01:16:10.000 Look what's going on in England right now.

01:16:12.000 12,000 people have been arrested so far last year for, in the last year rather, for social media posts, just social media posts criticizing immigration.

01:16:24.000 There was some new thing that they just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pubs, who are having conversations in pubs that you think are dangerous conversations.

01:16:40.000 There was that woman in the UK who was SA'd and then called the guy a name via text.

01:16:46.000 Yes.

01:16:47.000 She called him a faggot.

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 She called him, yeah, she called it.

01:16:50.000 She was sexually assaulted.

01:16:51.000 She called him a faggot and then she was arrested.

01:16:54.000 Yeah, she was arrested.

01:16:55.000 And I remember arguing on Pierce Morgan.

01:16:57.000 I was debating with a leftist on this.

01:16:59.000 This was the topic at the time.

01:17:01.000 And the leftist, who looked at me like he was a faggot too, said he was defending it tooth and nail, right? 0.98

01:17:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:17:08.000 This is a good thing because we want to get rid of stigma.

01:17:12.000 The idea is to try to destigmatize the thing.

01:17:16.000 See, words create stigma, and stigma creates harm values, and harm values are evil.

01:17:20.000 They're bad.

01:17:21.000 That's the whole moral system.

01:17:23.000 If we reduce harm, that's moral.

01:17:25.000 If we increase harm, that's immoral.

01:17:27.000 So that's the zero-sum way that they look at this, right?

01:17:30.000 If you're increasing it, bad.

01:17:32.000 If you're decreasing it, good.

01:17:33.000 So if we're decreasing stigmatization of an activity that we think is protected, then that's reducing harm.

01:17:39.000 Therefore, that's the moral position.

01:17:41.000 They are crazy.

01:17:41.000 Crazy.

01:17:42.000 That is actually a crazy way to look at the world.

01:17:45.000 Well, it's very dystopian.

01:17:48.000 It's very spooky that it's happening so quickly and that the UK has become the leader in the world for arresting people for social media posts.

01:17:59.000 No one would have ever saw that coming five, six years ago.

01:18:02.000 But this is what happens when you get total control of a population.

01:18:06.000 And you don't stop where you're at.

01:18:08.000 You continue to move forward.

01:18:10.000 You continue to try to get more and more control.

01:18:13.000 And this is this new thing where they're trying to get people to turn people in for bar talk, which is just crazy.

01:18:21.000 It's just crazy.

01:18:22.000 So that's where it goes.

01:18:23.000 If you're really a liberal, a real liberal, a real progressive person who really believes in free speech, you should believe in all speech.

01:18:31.000 And you have to.

01:18:32.000 I mean, this was the ADL's position way back in the day when they would allow the Ku Klux Klan to march.

01:18:37.000 They would say, look.

01:18:38.000 And then fight for the right to do so.

01:18:40.000 I mean, this is what it used to be.

01:18:40.000 Yes.

01:18:42.000 It used to be an understanding that, as complicated as this thing, you've got to allow people to say horrible things so that you can counter them with better points and you make a better argument and then people see your side and then society moves forward.

01:18:56.000 You know, generally people are.

01:18:57.000 In the online dialectic, the way that it moves between groups, and I think that now online influencers, podcasters, political commentators actually do have political, they have some political capital now, which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital, which can now be spent.

01:19:14.000 They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians and operate as mouthpieces on behalf of whatever that political arm is.

01:19:22.000 Well, you would say that about the right, too, wouldn't you?

01:19:24.000 Of course, but I don't see it as prevalent as I do with the left.

01:19:29.000 The left, for instance, there was a whole thing that used to go on on Twitch where an organization came in and bought up all the Twitch mouthpieces.

01:19:38.000 That's what they did.

01:19:39.000 And like, this is something which has been going on for a long time.

01:19:44.000 But what's interesting with the political capital angle from these leftists, they don't care what the means are.

01:19:52.000 The ends are what that's all they care about, right?

01:19:56.000 The means to get there, totally irrelevant to them.

01:19:59.000 From their view, though, that makes a sick sort of sense.

01:20:01.000 They believe that they're fighting against Nazis, literal Nazis.

01:20:07.000 So if you believed that you're in a war with literal Nazis, what wouldn't you do to complete that war? 0.65

01:20:13.000 What means wouldn't you go to?

01:20:15.000 What means of sabotage would you not do?

01:20:17.000 What cars would you not blow up?

01:20:19.000 What cops would you not eliminate in order to stop the rise of the new Hitler? 0.96

01:20:24.000 And it's like, and they're expending their political capital on that message.

01:20:28.000 And that message has a lot of influence on people.

01:20:31.000 Yeah.

01:20:32.000 It also, there's so many people that are getting attention by feeding into the rhetoric.

01:20:41.000 There's so many people that are making viral clips of them threatening, like menacing, like these weird dorky liberal guys, like these guys that you would think of pacifists are literally calling for violence.

01:20:53.000 I got one of them because it's like the most unlikely guy.

01:20:56.000 Like you see this guy doing this.

01:20:58.000 You're like, hey, buddy, like, what?

01:21:00.000 What are you saying?

01:21:03.000 Who's following you into battle?

01:21:05.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 I'm going to say, because the way he says it too is so like, he's watched too many fucking TV shows.

01:21:15.000 This guy.

01:21:16.000 Because it's the terminology that he uses that is actually kind of funny.

01:21:20.000 If it wasn't so scary.

01:21:22.000 Put this on real quick.

01:21:23.000 Sure.

01:21:23.000 Because it's so.

01:21:26.000 You see this guy's doughy face and his understanding of real violence.

01:21:31.000 Listen to this.

01:21:32.000 When combat starts, we all roll initiative.

01:21:36.000 I'm going to say that again.

01:21:38.000 And anyone, everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say this.

01:21:42.000 When combat starts, we all roll initiative.

01:21:51.000 I mean, I hate to laugh because it's kind of fucking serious because they're inciting violence and they're calling for insurrection.

01:21:59.000 They're calling for people to take to the streets and start violence.

01:22:02.000 But that guy, like, what?

01:22:05.000 You're not going to roll initiative?

01:22:07.000 What does it even mean?

01:22:08.000 Well, I mean, I think it just means we all go.

01:22:11.000 When violence starts, we all go.

01:22:11.000 Right.

01:22:13.000 That's a Dungeons and Dragons reference.

01:22:15.000 Is it?

01:22:15.000 You're not going to roll dragons.

01:22:15.000 Rolling.

01:22:16.000 Oh, rolling.

01:22:19.000 No, no, no.

01:22:21.000 No.

01:22:22.000 The tweet says Dungeons and Dragons in it.

01:22:23.000 I don't even know.

01:22:24.000 Oh, God.

01:22:25.000 It says Dungeons and Dragons nerds means business.

01:22:28.000 Oh.

01:22:29.000 So he's doing a search on that.

01:22:31.000 Does roll initiative?

01:22:32.000 Is that a part of Dungeons and Dragons?

01:22:34.000 Roll that.

01:22:34.000 Because I only know of Dungeons and Dragons from Strange.

01:22:37.000 Does his AR do 2D6 damage?

01:22:42.000 But it's just the menacing way that he stares into the camera.

01:22:46.000 Okay, here it is.

01:22:47.000 Rolling for initiative determines the turn order in combat.

01:22:51.000 Each player and monster rolls a 20-sided die and adds their dexterity modifier.

01:22:57.000 But I mean, this is what I'm saying.

01:22:59.000 It's like a lot of it is cosplay.

01:23:02.000 That does sound like he is saying, though, we all go there, right?

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:05.000 Yes.

01:23:06.000 It sounds like that's what he's saying.

01:23:07.000 And it's also, it gives meaning to people whose lives do not have a lot of meaning, right?

01:23:14.000 Like all of a sudden, you're a part of a greater cause.

01:23:16.000 You're a part of a very important movement.

01:23:18.000 And you're stopping Nazis.

01:23:19.000 Yeah, you're stopping Nazis, and it's relatively safe from the comfort of your own home staring at your phone on TikTok. 0.78

01:23:26.000 Sure.

01:23:27.000 And you get all excited about it, and you cheer.

01:23:30.000 And these are the same people that cheered when Charlie Kirk got shot for just talking.

01:23:34.000 Like that was fine, but this one is not good.

01:23:38.000 You know, it's all like, it's very fucked up, man.

01:23:41.000 Well, and they're going to kill, they'll kill more commentators.

01:23:43.000 They can get away with it.

01:23:45.000 Happily.

01:23:46.000 I mean, part of that whole signal chat that's dangerous that people aren't talking about, that's probably the most dangerous aspect of it.

01:23:55.000 And I can't prove this, but it's been my experience that left-wing communities and left-wing groups, especially online communities and online groups, really pander to the mentally ill in a big way.

01:24:06.000 Really pander to them.

01:24:08.000 And I think that it's a form of weaponization.

01:24:12.000 They want to attract the extremely mentally ill into these communities, and it helps with actually what is radicalization. 0.86

01:24:19.000 And they play on the fact that they're mentally ill in order to do this.

01:24:23.000 Well, this is Antifa, right?

01:24:25.000 This is why.

01:24:26.000 It's not just Antifa.

01:24:27.000 It goes beyond that.

01:24:28.000 If you go to some of these TikTokers communities, you go to some of the online political pundits communities who are far left. 0.99

01:24:35.000 Okay.

01:24:36.000 These people who are in there are fruit loops, man.

01:24:39.000 They are lunatics.

01:24:40.000 And they're pandered to.

01:24:42.000 They're pandered to.

01:24:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:43.000 You can't say this to them.

01:24:44.000 That's ableist.

01:24:45.000 You can't tell them this is your weirdo because that's mean.

01:24:48.000 And not only are they pandered to, but I think that that's the source of the weapon.

01:24:52.000 If it's the case that these people don't care about death, they don't care.

01:24:57.000 Like, oh, the outcome's going to be death.

01:24:59.000 That guy shot at the ICE agents not too long ago.

01:25:02.000 Remember, he was on top of the roof.

01:25:04.000 He was shooting across with, I think, a Mauser rifle, and they dusted him.

01:25:08.000 They killed him, or he shot himself.

01:25:09.000 I don't remember which.

01:25:11.000 When was this?

01:25:11.000 This was a few months back.

01:25:13.000 I don't know about this one, I don't think.

01:25:15.000 No, there was a guy.

01:25:16.000 This is how callous I've become.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, he was taking shots at, I believe it was ICE agents in front of the ICE facility.

01:25:23.000 Oh, that's right.

01:25:24.000 Yeah, he was using, I believe he was using like a Mauser rifle or something.

01:25:27.000 Okay, now I remember.

01:25:28.000 Early on with the Charlie Kirk thing, they were actually making these connections because he had used a Mauser as well, right, to shoot Charlie Kirk.

01:25:35.000 That was the so people were making those early connections.

01:25:38.000 Wait, is this a sequence of events?

01:25:41.000 Does the Mauser mean something here?

01:25:42.000 Does that particular rifle have special meaning?

01:25:44.000 You know how people are online.

01:25:45.000 Yeah.

01:25:46.000 But anyway, the interesting thing is like they don't care if they die.

01:25:51.000 They're dying martyrs.

01:25:52.000 They don't care.

01:25:53.000 And it's really easy to weaponize mentally ill people that way because they don't care.

01:25:57.000 These are the same people who have the high suicide rates for a reason because they're already mentally ill, like the Troons and others, which many of them you find are connected to trans people almost every time. 0.99

01:26:08.000 Also, SSRIs.

01:26:09.000 This is the other problem: is that how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal or excuse me these psychiatric drugs?

01:26:09.000 Yep.

01:26:25.000 There's a lot of people that have psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and different psychiatric medications.

01:26:36.000 So you've got people that are already fucked up mentally, and then you've got them on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of crazy things.

01:26:42.000 And aren't women, aren't women taking much more in the way of SSRI pills than men are?

01:26:48.000 And who do we see on the bullhorns and loudspeakers at most of these events?

01:26:52.000 It's women. 1.00

01:26:53.000 Well, particularly liberal women. 1.00

01:26:54.000 Particularly liberal women. 0.94

01:26:56.000 Sure, you've seen the statistics, but I very lopsided.

01:26:59.000 Save them because they're kind of nutty.

01:27:03.000 What's interesting is the number, like the least mentally ill in terms of numbers is conservative men.

01:27:11.000 Conservative men, I think it's like, okay, young liberal women, 56% report a mental health diagnosis.

01:27:23.000 Young moderate women, 18, 29, 28%.

01:27:27.000 Young conservative women, 27%, only slightly less.

01:27:31.000 So for men, it is 34% of all liberal men.

01:27:37.000 34%.

01:27:39.000 So a third of all liberal men are mentally ill.

01:27:44.000 22% of moderate men and 16% of conservative men.

01:27:47.000 Yeah, but do you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up?

01:27:50.000 These lunatics, they'll argue, no, no, no.

01:27:53.000 The conservative men are just as mentally ill.

01:27:56.000 It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma in conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed.

01:28:04.000 And I always point out, and I think this is an interesting way to point this out, like maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem.

01:28:11.000 Did you ever think of that?

01:28:13.000 It's possible.

01:28:13.000 It's possible it's undiagnosed because I think that is accurate though, that there is a stigma about mental health and therapy and things along those lines in conservative – I mean if you want to like – I agree, but I also think that what happens is when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology and it is voodoo.

01:28:32.000 It is.

01:28:33.000 I have very little respect for psychology.

01:28:35.000 I don't even consider it science.

01:28:37.000 I consider that there's scientific methods used for data gathering, but I don't consider psychology a science at all.

01:28:43.000 And that's psychology.

01:28:44.000 Psychiatry gets even weirder because then you start adding medication.

01:28:48.000 You're not just talking about therapy.

01:28:48.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 It's all voodoo as far as I'm concerned. 0.99

01:28:51.000 I think that men often, especially conservative men, get as much out of their close relationships with friends and family as they would going to a psychologist.

01:29:03.000 In other words, I think just having somebody to talk to who's a close friend, who's intricately familiar with your situation, probably gives you more value than going to a complete stranger who has learned manipulation techniques.

01:29:15.000 That's what they learn essentially is manipulation techniques.

01:29:19.000 I think there's more value there.

01:29:20.000 And so I think that the stigma which exists there doesn't exist because it's like you're not manly, which is how they try to frame it.

01:29:27.000 I think the stigma exists there because so many conservative men go, well, I tried that shit and it was nonsense.

01:29:32.000 I tried it and it sucked.

01:29:33.000 I tried it and it was worth it.

01:29:34.000 I went to marriage counseling, did nothing.

01:29:38.000 Sided with the wife, right? 0.98

01:29:39.000 I went for this issue, did nothing.

01:29:42.000 But when I went out and had some beers with my friends, that actually helped relieve some of these issues.

01:29:48.000 I think the problem with that is there's a lot of guys who don't have good friends, you know, and you don't have someone that you can count on, unfortunately.

01:29:57.000 There's a lot of men out there that are lost.

01:30:00.000 I agree, but I think that the conservative men seem to like they have closer longevity with friends than progressive men do.

01:30:06.000 Yes, and they don't abandon them when they change their opinions on things.

01:30:10.000 So here's the self-reported data from 2022 survey analysis found that 51% of conservatives report excellent mental health compared to 20% of liberals.

01:30:22.000 That's a big difference.

01:30:24.000 It's a giant difference.

01:30:24.000 Huge.

01:30:25.000 I don't think stigma could account for that.

01:30:27.000 No, it can't.

01:30:28.000 It's like, it's not just stigma.

01:30:30.000 It's also like, what does it mean to be conservative?

01:30:33.000 Does it mean taking account for your own actions, discipline, hard work, ethic?

01:30:39.000 All those things are actually good for your mental health.

01:30:42.000 Like pulling yourself up and getting back to work and doing things.

01:30:47.000 I think now, and I think maybe it always should have been framed this way.

01:30:51.000 Think now for the label of conservative to apply, we really kind of start with religious foundationalism.

01:30:59.000 That's what is becoming, fast becoming the delineation.

01:31:03.000 Right.

01:31:04.000 Having a framework.

01:31:04.000 Having the framework.

01:31:05.000 Right.

01:31:06.000 And the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you in that, moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time.

01:31:15.000 And I think that that's a necessary component now.

01:31:18.000 If we're trying to make these political delineations, it becomes tough.

01:31:22.000 What's a Republican or a neocon versus a conservative versus this versus that?

01:31:27.000 It comes down to foundationalism, a framework.

01:31:30.000 Like you were just saying, in the framework of Christianity, Christian ethics, huge delineation point between the right and the left who rejects that for harm principles, utilitarianism, and various other sorts of frameworks.

01:31:44.000 Yeah, and they'll also point to what Christianity has done throughout history and the amount of harm that it's caused. 0.92

01:31:53.000 But it's kind of like every power structure throughout history you could point to in that way.

01:31:58.000 Well, it was what was there.

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 The thing is, it's like the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church gets a lot of shit for this.

01:32:05.000 Well, look at all the horrible things that the Catholic Church did. 0.99

01:32:08.000 And it's like, well, the Catholic Church was the whole known world once.

01:32:11.000 You know, all of Europe was the Catholic Church, not, you know, like all of it was. 0.79

01:32:11.000 Right. 0.79

01:32:16.000 You can't have organizations which span whole nations and countries, ethnicities, cultures integrate themselves into it and not have corruption.

01:32:28.000 I don't care what system it is.

01:32:30.000 Pointing to it and saying it's because they were Catholic, that's where it becomes absurd.

01:32:35.000 They were corrupt.

01:32:36.000 There was corruption, but they're not human.

01:32:38.000 Because they're human, not because they're Catholic.

01:32:40.000 Right, right.

01:32:41.000 One of the things that I always try to point out to people, they go, why do you go to church?

01:32:45.000 Because when I was younger, I was very cynical about religion.

01:32:47.000 And then I've got older.

01:32:49.000 One of the things that I always say is, if there was a pill that could make you as nice as the people that I go to church with, everybody would be on it.

01:32:59.000 They are the nicest fucking people you will ever encounter.

01:33:01.000 When we leave the church, they're kind.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, they're kind.

01:33:05.000 Kind and nice.

01:33:06.000 They're all the above.

01:33:07.000 They're like very friendly, happy people.

01:33:09.000 But when you leave the church parking lot or even when you're entering, they're the, everybody lets everybody in.

01:33:17.000 It's like no one rushes ahead.

01:33:19.000 It's like you go ahead and then you go ahead.

01:33:21.000 It's like the most self-organized, most charitable way of exiting a parking lot I've ever experienced in my life.

01:33:30.000 The opposite of a concert.

01:33:32.000 You go to a great concert, everybody's like fucking on everybody's bumper, trying to weasel in. 0.67

01:33:36.000 People are honking.

01:33:37.000 In church, it's like one person goes and another person goes, no, you go, wave.

01:33:37.000 Fuck you.

01:33:42.000 And then everybody's fine and everybody's happy.

01:33:43.000 It's like, if that was, if you could take a pill that could do that to you, if therapy could do that to you, we should all be on therapy.

01:33:49.000 We should all take that pill.

01:33:50.000 Philosophy can do that for you because the phenomenon that you're talking about is the me philosophy.

01:33:55.000 And so you're going to church.

01:33:57.000 It's not all about you.

01:33:59.000 And that's why you have those types of interactions with people.

01:34:02.000 Wait, I'm going, you go to a concert.

01:34:04.000 That's for you.

01:34:06.000 That's for me, not for these strangers.

01:34:08.000 I'm going there because I want to be entertained.

01:34:10.000 That's for me.

01:34:10.000 You go to church.

01:34:11.000 It's not for you.

01:34:14.000 And the thing is, is it's the, it's the kind of materialism view, the materialistic view of pure materialism, reduces always to me.

01:34:26.000 Me, me, me.

01:34:27.000 Because what else can there be?

01:34:28.000 There's just me and the material I engage with.

01:34:28.000 Right.

01:34:30.000 There's nothing outside of that.

01:34:32.000 So why engage as though there's something outside of that?

01:34:35.000 That doesn't just lead to nihilism, but it's the beginning stages of understanding the distinction between religious foundationalism and basically everything else.

01:34:44.000 The reduction doesn't come down to me.

01:34:47.000 And that's why those interactions seem so much better because they are because people are thinking about you.

01:34:53.000 And it's like, what a concept.

01:34:53.000 Right.

01:34:55.000 Imagine a world where people think about somebody besides themselves.

01:34:59.000 And they think about, they can think about everybody as a part of a community and a collective community that you care about, that has value to you.

01:35:06.000 And then you go, why is mental health rate so much better in these communities?

01:35:12.000 It's like, well, isn't it interesting how much they think about other people than just themselves and duties to those people instead of just me, They're the kindest people you're ever going to come across.

01:35:24.000 And I think there's a lot of value in that.

01:35:26.000 And I think the people that are cynical about that, because they don't want to believe in fairy tales or they don't want to be stupid, they don't want to get duped by like, look, there's a foundation to that.

01:35:36.000 If you just look, forget about some of the stuff that's in the Bible that, you know, it gets weird when you get old.

01:35:43.000 Like you go back into the old, old, old stuff, because like for sure human beings had some sort of an influence on what was written down and what wasn't written down.

01:35:52.000 But if you get just to the teachings of Christ, I can't find any faults in it.

01:35:58.000 Like it's all about being kind.

01:36:02.000 It's all about this idea that we're all in this together and that you're supposed to lift each other up and look after each other.

01:36:11.000 There's no faults in it.

01:36:13.000 It's not like you have to kill the non-believers.

01:36:16.000 It's not like you get to rape and pillage for the non-believers and the infidels must die. 1.00

01:36:21.000 There's not that.

01:36:24.000 That's why Christians believe in objective truth, that there must be objective truth because otherwise why is most of the world following this as though it's objective truth?

01:36:32.000 We seem to be leaning towards this as though this must be the thing which is objectively real and objectively true and a thing which we can point to that is because when people are introduced to it, like you just said, it's really hard and difficult to find fault in it.

01:36:47.000 It's not just that.

01:36:48.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:36:49.000 If we reverse it, if we say, what could I do that actually would be the best for me, It would still be that.

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:57.000 Which is the funniest part of the whole thing.

01:36:59.000 It's like both ways, it works for you, even if it's not all about you, or it works for you, even if it is all about you.

01:37:06.000 It's still going to be the better message out of the two.

01:37:09.000 It's definitely a better framework for living your life.

01:37:12.000 And there's a lot of people that just reject that, that think of themselves as intelligent.

01:37:19.000 They think of themselves as intelligent and well-read and educated.

01:37:25.000 Yeah, I'm too smart for that.

01:37:26.000 Too smart for all of that.

01:37:27.000 I'm an atheist.

01:37:28.000 Any atheist needs to take eight grams of mushrooms. 1.00

01:37:32.000 Just a little DMT.

01:37:34.000 Do a little DMT.

01:37:35.000 And you're like, oh, I don't know anything.

01:37:37.000 You think you know things.

01:37:38.000 You don't know a fucking thing.

01:37:40.000 You just know what you've experienced.

01:37:43.000 And I think that the world is better off if people have a great moral and ethical framework.

01:37:53.000 I think morals and ethics and being kind is one of the most important values that human beings can ever possess if you want to live in a productive and healthy community.

01:38:03.000 Completely agree.

01:38:04.000 And I think that kindness, I make a delineation between kindness and niceness because I think it's often kind not to be nice.

01:38:12.000 Right.

01:38:12.000 But I do think that you can be nice and it may not be kind.

01:38:16.000 Right.

01:38:17.000 And so that's true.

01:38:18.000 So I make a delineation between those things.

01:38:20.000 I don't think that kindness, though, has much variance.

01:38:22.000 Kindness is looking after the interest of somebody who's not me.

01:38:26.000 And it makes everybody feel it's actually selfish because it makes you feel good too.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:31.000 I mean, there is something.

01:38:32.000 You can look at it that way.

01:38:33.000 Sure.

01:38:34.000 From the position of trying to convince the unbeliever, appealing to their self-interest may not be the worst idea.

01:38:40.000 Right.

01:38:41.000 You know, appealing to like, well, has the lack of community and the like, let's just assume for a second.

01:38:46.000 Let's just assume it's all bullshit and it's all nonsense.

01:38:50.000 Every bit of it is just totally made up.

01:38:52.000 We just like, we just made it up, right?

01:38:55.000 But we all acted as though it was true.

01:38:58.000 If it's the case that your whole framework is that we just want a society that really works well and does the best it can possibly do for everyone, then shouldn't you, by your own framework, just pretend it's true?

01:39:09.000 Right.

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 Shouldn't you just act as though it's true anyway?

01:39:12.000 Jordan Peterson had a very good point about that.

01:39:14.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 About believing in God, that if you believe, if you act as if God is real, you will have a better life.

01:39:23.000 Like it works.

01:39:25.000 It really does work.

01:39:27.000 Almost like a universal truth.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 It's very fascinating.

01:39:30.000 It's fascinating that people that are self-professed atheists and people that think of themselves as too intelligent for religion won't acknowledge that.

01:39:39.000 They don't want to believe that.

01:39:40.000 And so many of them that I know that are self-professed atheists are some of the most miserable people.

01:39:45.000 They're very depressed.

01:39:47.000 A lot of them are on psychiatric medications.

01:39:49.000 A lot of them are in therapy.

01:39:50.000 A lot of them are really fucked up.

01:39:51.000 They're almost cursed.

01:39:57.000 Oh, it seems like that, doesn't it?

01:39:59.000 And the thing, well, the thing is interesting is like I've talked with a lot of atheists, debated with a lot of atheists, especially on the effects of Christianity and society against the effects of atheism.

01:40:11.000 And I know what pure secular states have led to.

01:40:14.000 That's what communism was.

01:40:15.000 That was a purely secular state.

01:40:17.000 Where you really, where you really wall off the church from the state.

01:40:17.000 Yes.

01:40:22.000 But here we pretend that it's secular and they get all the benefits of it being, quote, secular, but it's not secular at all.

01:40:28.000 Right.

01:40:28.000 Politicians are constantly voted in based on the fact that they have an X amount of value structure and that's what they're going to implement legislatively on you.

01:40:37.000 The whole secular thing, totally made up.

01:40:40.000 And them pretending that that's even real or has ever existed as a real framework in the United States, just nonsense.

01:40:48.000 Not only that, but I think there is a natural default in the human mind to be attracted to a structure.

01:40:55.000 And if that structure is a Christian structure, you're attracted to all the Christian values that we've just discussed being so positive and beneficial to you.

01:41:04.000 But if you're not and you go to a leftist, progressive structure, leftists in particular, like a Marxist structure, what you're seeing is a complete lack of forgiveness.

01:41:17.000 They don't have that built into the system.

01:41:20.000 One of the beautiful things about Christianity is forgiveness and the recognition that we're all sinners and we all fuck up and we're all human and we're all flawed and that you could move on and be better and you can atone for these sins and you could recognize that, you know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the best way to move forward and be a better person.

01:41:40.000 Society at a whole recognizes that you are me and I am you and we're all kind of the same thing.

01:41:46.000 We all fuck up and we're all just human beings.

01:41:51.000 But there's a pathway.

01:41:52.000 There's a pathway to forgiveness.

01:41:54.000 There's zero pathway in this, in leftism.

01:41:58.000 That's the most horrible thing when you watch these pylons online over like the most innocuous discretions.

01:42:04.000 What's funny with leftists is their pathway is just everything's permitted.

01:42:10.000 And the pathway from the Christian is no, not everything is permitted, but almost everything can be forgiven. 0.97

01:42:15.000 Right.

01:42:16.000 And that I would see is the big distinction.

01:42:19.000 There's a story that I heard because I'm Eastern Orthodox.

01:42:25.000 That's what I follow.

01:42:27.000 And I heard it was a great story my priest told me.

01:42:32.000 And so basically how this went is there was monks.

01:42:35.000 They lived in a commune and one monk liked to get drunk.

01:42:38.000 That was his big vice.

01:42:39.000 Right.

01:42:40.000 And he drank a lot of beer.

01:42:42.000 And he did this clear up until the day that he died.

01:42:45.000 And when he died, everyone was crying.

01:42:49.000 And a monk said, well, you know, why is everyone crying?

01:42:51.000 You know, he held that vice clear up till the day he died.

01:42:55.000 And the head of the abbot who was there, he said, yeah, but the last few years, he cut it in half.

01:43:04.000 He was on the back.

01:43:06.000 Well, he's just saying, I'm going to recognize all the progress that this man who had this horrible vice did, right?

01:43:14.000 There was still progress.

01:43:15.000 He was still trying to move towards the virtue.

01:43:18.000 Now, maybe he never got to it, but I'm still going to recognize that he was trying to.

01:43:23.000 And maybe he was not able to surmount it.

01:43:26.000 He was not able to get past his demons.

01:43:28.000 Maybe he wasn't able to overtake them all, but he was at least attempting to.

01:43:32.000 That's the thing.

01:43:32.000 Right.

01:43:34.000 That's the thing.

01:43:35.000 Well, it's this idea of like someone being a perfect person.

01:43:39.000 It's nonsense.

01:43:40.000 It doesn't exist.

01:43:41.000 And so if you don't have a pathway to forgiveness, and if you don't have that built into your society, you're always going to have people pointing out the people that are the bad people.

01:43:52.000 And it's going to keep moving in that direction.

01:43:54.000 And it's one of the things you see in the left in particular.

01:43:57.000 They eat their own.

01:43:58.000 And it drives me crazy when I see that also from the right.

01:44:01.000 I'm like, don't you see that the people that you criticize are doing this and now you're doing this?

01:44:07.000 You guys are turning on each other over the most innocuous things and forming tribes where you're attacking each other, even though you have mostly shared values instead of being charitable and recognizing that, you know, these are just human beings and they make mistakes.

01:44:22.000 But the left eats itself more than any fucking group that I've ever encountered over almost nothing.

01:44:28.000 And they love to pile on because they're absolutely terrified that it's going to come for them.

01:44:33.000 They're fucking terrified.

01:44:35.000 And so they will go out of their way to shame and attack and to take some of the energy away from them.

01:44:42.000 But do you think there's a unity in that?

01:44:44.000 Like, if we were to look at this, again, like from a bird's eye view, I agree with you.

01:44:49.000 The left eats itself way more than the right does.

01:44:52.000 Though the right eats itself too, right?

01:44:54.000 And we've been seeing a lot of that post-Charlie Kirk's death.

01:44:56.000 Though I think that that was mostly power vacuum based and who gets to fill the power vacuum.

01:45:01.000 That's what I think.

01:45:02.000 I still think that it turned into a dog eat dog for the power vacuum fight.

01:45:07.000 And it was a criticism of values, foundationalism, and all that.

01:45:11.000 But from the left view, if you eat, if you're eating your own, right?

01:45:15.000 And you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation and now everybody's in lock and step, is that better for political power or worse?

01:45:25.000 Like if you constantly are just eating the wrong, nope, that message isn't pure enough and they gobble them up until you get the monster, right?

01:45:33.000 Who has the right message, they're all on board.

01:45:36.000 Is that the better way to achieve this kind of like political paradigm that they want?

01:45:40.000 That's my question.

01:45:41.000 It's very naive.

01:45:43.000 It's a naive perspective that eventually you're going to boil it down to a purity and you're not going to.

01:45:47.000 It's not going to happen.

01:45:49.000 You're never going to get far left enough.

01:45:51.000 There'll always be something else to eat them over.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:53.000 Well, also, you're advocating for communism.

01:45:56.000 And advocating for communism is so wild.

01:45:59.000 And people, there's no examples of it ever being done right.

01:46:02.000 There's zero.

01:46:04.000 Imagine advocating for something that has zero success.

01:46:09.000 Zero.

01:46:10.000 None.

01:46:11.000 Like you can, it doesn't exist.

01:46:14.000 It's never happened.

01:46:14.000 There's never been, why?

01:46:16.000 Well, I'll tell you why.

01:46:17.000 Because if everybody has to share all the money, then who's going to enforce that?

01:46:23.000 Who's going to do, who's going to tell people that you have to give up your house?

01:46:26.000 Who's going to tell people to give up your state?

01:46:29.000 The state has guns.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 So you're advocating for violence.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:32.000 Well, you don't think you're advocating for violence, but you are.

01:46:34.000 You're advocating for hard men with guns.

01:46:37.000 To enforce your will.

01:46:38.000 Those people are going to wind up living in mansions and eating filet mignon, and everybody else is going to be eating oats and gruel.

01:46:45.000 And that's which is exactly what's always happened when it's tried.

01:46:50.000 The thing is interesting, too, is there's other value set issues that are really simple to point to.

01:46:54.000 Like, okay, nothing's worth anything.

01:46:57.000 Like, how do I get my guitar?

01:46:59.000 It's nonsense.

01:46:59.000 Right.

01:47:00.000 Like, just, you know, all the communist nations were always setting their market prices based on what capitalists would markets would set for prices.

01:47:08.000 And it's like, how do I value a guitar if it's supposed to just be mine in the commune and then yours also and his also?

01:47:18.000 How do we set a value assessment here?

01:47:20.000 What makes the Epiphone better than the sorry, folks?

01:47:24.000 We had a crash.

01:47:25.000 Software crash.

01:47:26.000 Another problem is this idea of the equality of outcome that everybody should get an equal amount.

01:47:32.000 That is crazy talk because we all know that equality of effort does not exist.

01:47:38.000 There's a reason why there's outliers and the reason why they're so compelling and so inspirational.

01:47:43.000 It's like this fucking guy got up at five o'clock in the morning and ran every morning before work and hustled and ate the right food and fucking did the right things and was thinking and pushing and was open-minded and he became radically successful.

01:47:58.000 But from each according to their ability, Joe.

01:48:01.000 No, it's not even maximizing everyone's ability because you're basically giving a safety net for fucking lazy people.

01:48:08.000 And that's not good for them either.

01:48:09.000 No.

01:48:10.000 No, being inspired by others' success is a good thing.

01:48:13.000 It's a good thing.

01:48:14.000 And the only way that happens is if you let someone be exceptional.

01:48:18.000 And the only way you let someone be exceptional, you have to incentivize them.

01:48:21.000 What's the incentive?

01:48:22.000 The incentive is they get more value out of their hard work.

01:48:25.000 They get more money.

01:48:26.000 They get a nicer house.

01:48:28.000 They get like, what are you going to do?

01:48:29.000 You're going to decide that people have to like mate?

01:48:32.000 Like that women don't find this guy attractive, but that's not fair.

01:48:36.000 So they have to be with this guy and they have to find him attractive.

01:48:39.000 Or that, you know, a woman has to find this man attractive. 0.70

01:48:42.000 Sure.

01:48:43.000 Even though he's a dumpy fucking lazy loser.

01:48:46.000 This is the way of the world.

01:48:47.000 And competition is a good thing for human beings.

01:48:47.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 It inspires us.

01:48:51.000 It's good.

01:48:52.000 It lets you know that there's a higher bar that can be achieved.

01:48:55.000 And you often used to know who the lazy people were based on the living conditions they had.

01:48:59.000 Yes.

01:49:00.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:49:01.000 Just like you would often know if there was an ugly kid that their parents probably were pretty ugly, right?

01:49:07.000 But it's true, right?

01:49:08.000 Yes.

01:49:09.000 It is true.

01:49:10.000 The idea here is like people tend to bat in dating in their league, at least men do, right?

01:49:15.000 Or try to, right?

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:17.000 Women love their league. 1.00

01:49:18.000 But the thing is, is the reason you commonly see good-looking people with good-looking people and ugly people with ugly people is because that's about what you can get.

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 But it's the same thing when it comes to ability and skill and whatever it is that you're doing, right?

01:49:34.000 Hey, thing is, is like oftentimes if you ask a person, my dad used to say this all the time.

01:49:40.000 He was right.

01:49:41.000 If you ask a person, are you where you're at based on things that happen to you or because of you?

01:49:47.000 He said, 98% of people will say, because of things that happened to me.

01:49:51.000 And then when you ask them about what those things are, you'll find out that it's because of them.

01:49:55.000 You'll find out it's because of choices they've made, things that they've done.

01:50:00.000 That's actually what's responsible for the conditions that they're in.

01:50:03.000 Oh, and by the way, for people that's not the case, like Trust Fund kids are the most miserable motherfuckers I have ever met in my life.

01:50:11.000 And they lose it all anyway.

01:50:12.000 A lot of them do.

01:50:13.000 But a lot of them are not fully formed human beings.

01:50:17.000 And the way I always describe it, I go, it's like if you give, if you make cement and you don't add all the stuff in the right way, you can't fix it later.

01:50:27.000 Right.

01:50:28.000 So during the developmental process, if you're fucking Joffrey from Game of Thrones, like what are the odds that Joffrey's going to fucking figure it out and get his shit together and be cool when he gets to it?

01:50:37.000 You're just Dexter and that's it.

01:50:39.000 Exactly.

01:50:39.000 Right.

01:50:40.000 You just like you have the informed experience of the serial killing and it's like, there's just no fixing you.

01:50:45.000 There's no fixing.

01:50:45.000 Yeah, there's no fixing it.

01:50:46.000 I get that.

01:50:47.000 I just, the thing that's interesting is like when I look at the communist paradigm versus the capital, you know, that's coming back.

01:50:56.000 That paradigm's coming back.

01:50:57.000 And for a while, it was kind of shoved off as like, that's boomer shit.

01:51:00.000 You know, the Cold War's over, Grandpa, right?

01:51:02.000 Cold War's over, Grandpa.

01:51:04.000 There's no communist versus capitalist.

01:51:07.000 That's all.

01:51:08.000 It's like, not, it's not, it's not done.

01:51:11.000 No.

01:51:11.000 Not done.

01:51:11.000 Not at all.

01:51:12.000 It's not done.

01:51:12.000 It's a story as old as time and it keeps fucking repeating itself.

01:51:16.000 And it's just weird that people, well, I look, but also I believe in social safety nets because I think that there's a lot of people that are very unfortunate.

01:51:23.000 And there's a lot of people that do grow up with shitty parents or parents that have a bad situation in life.

01:51:28.000 Maybe the father dies or the mother dies and there's no like it's good to be charitable and churches are fantastic at that.

01:51:36.000 It's one of the more pure charities that you're ever going to find because their goal is really just to help those people.

01:51:42.000 Unlike what you think of as charities in the modern sense, one of the grossest fucking things today is these enormous charities that everybody thinks, oh, I'm going to support this charity.

01:51:54.000 It's doing so much good.

01:51:55.000 80% to the CEO.

01:51:57.000 Yeah, dude, I was watching this thing.

01:51:59.000 It was either, I think it was Live Aid.

01:52:01.000 You know, one of those concert things.

01:52:04.000 It was Bono.

01:52:05.000 What was he involved in?

01:52:06.000 Was it Live Aid?

01:52:07.000 I don't remember.

01:52:08.000 But Bono, I remember his speech where he was like, capitalism's done more to take people out of poverty than anything else.

01:52:14.000 I thought that was funny.

01:52:16.000 It is funny.

01:52:16.000 Yeah, but I don't remember which one he was involved in directly, but I know what you're referencing.

01:52:21.000 Well, Mike Benz did this video today where he's explaining how an enormous percentage of that money went to regime change.

01:52:29.000 Like it went to prop up, went to prop up CIA operations.

01:52:34.000 Like the fucking money that people donated so generously to the LA fires.

01:52:39.000 Did you ever see where all that went?

01:52:41.000 Where?

01:52:41.000 It went to like 100 different nonprofits.

01:52:44.000 Like some of it was like pro-immigration.

01:52:51.000 It was like, we talked about it the other day.

01:52:54.000 We had a whole list of all the different things that have been documented with that money.

01:52:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:59.000 So very little money is ever going to go to the actual people that lost their house.

01:53:03.000 Almost all the money is going to go to these nonprofits.

01:53:06.000 All these nonprofits have overhead.

01:53:08.000 It goes to their employees.

01:53:09.000 It goes to the overhead costs.

01:53:11.000 All these people got bonuses.

01:53:13.000 But isn't that the same thing?

01:53:14.000 $10 million went to bonuses.

01:53:16.000 Yeah, but that's the same with the state.

01:53:17.000 But how crazy is that?

01:53:19.000 You get a bonus for running a fucking charity?

01:53:21.000 That's crazy.

01:53:23.000 Huge bonuses.

01:53:24.000 Huge bonuses.

01:53:25.000 Like hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in bonuses.

01:53:28.000 And that's the homeless situation.

01:53:29.000 This is the other thing about the homeless situation in California.

01:53:32.000 Oh, we're going to help the homeless.

01:53:34.000 It's really important to donate to the homeless.

01:53:36.000 Let's help the homeless. 0.99

01:53:37.000 California spent $24 billion on the homeless problem.

01:53:42.000 It got worse.

01:53:43.000 Not only did it get worse, they can't account for the money.

01:53:45.000 And when the politicians have unanimously voted to try to do an audit to see where the money goes, Gavin Newsom has vetoed it.

01:53:54.000 It's wild.

01:53:55.000 Well, isn't it counterintuitive anyway?

01:53:58.000 If you're in an area and you say, look, we're going to be really good to the homeless here.

01:54:02.000 We're going to give them a lot of money, a lot of entitlements.

01:54:05.000 We're going to really help them get on their feet.

01:54:06.000 If you were homeless in a neighboring state, where would you go?

01:54:11.000 Yeah, you'd move to a place with awesome weather.

01:54:13.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 They'll give you money.

01:54:14.000 Where they're going to give you money.

01:54:15.000 Yeah.

01:54:16.000 And so, you know, and they do.

01:54:18.000 They do just that.

01:54:19.000 And so that's why these budgets become very bloated, right?

01:54:21.000 People are like, wait a second, there used to be three homeless guys over there.

01:54:24.000 Now there's a tent city.

01:54:25.000 What the hell is going on?

01:54:26.000 And they all get free crack.

01:54:27.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 Yeah.

01:54:28.000 Or free needles in their needle exchange or whatever it is.

01:54:32.000 And it gets worse and worse.

01:54:34.000 The state does the same thing.

01:54:35.000 State is allocating tons and tons of cash that it gets in Social Security tax.

01:54:39.000 It's not going to Social Security.

01:54:41.000 It's like these entitlements and entitlement spending.

01:54:44.000 Well, when people found out that Social Security is going to illegal immigrants, an enormous amount of it, they're like, wait, wait, what? 0.99

01:54:49.000 And they denied it.

01:54:50.000 They denied it.

01:54:51.000 And then, you know, they had to fess up to it.

01:54:53.000 Whistleblowers and well, why would you have a pay go system?

01:54:56.000 Why would you have a system where you're like, this is social safety net that you're paying into for your retirement that you have to pay into?

01:55:03.000 Why wouldn't that go in a lockbox?

01:55:05.000 Why would you have a pay?

01:55:06.000 Well, because we want access to that money right now, and we'll pay it out later.

01:55:12.000 That's what we'll do.

01:55:12.000 We'll pay it out later.

01:55:14.000 It's like, what?

01:55:15.000 Why wouldn't you have it?

01:55:17.000 It's like misappropriation.

01:55:18.000 Of course.

01:55:20.000 It's wild that they're allowed to access the social security funds that are for your retirement.

01:55:24.000 And then they're like, well, we're going to defund Social Security, so we'll shut the whole government down, right?

01:55:30.000 Because then you won't get your Social Security checks.

01:55:32.000 We'll weaponize the entitlement that should just be in a lockbox. 0.90

01:55:36.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 You know, it's well, we'll pass funding for it.

01:55:40.000 Funding for the thing they already paid?

01:55:42.000 Well, the idea also is that you are supposed to be paying into it so that you will get money when you retire.

01:55:48.000 But your return on investment is so bad.

01:55:50.000 That's terrible.

01:55:51.000 And compared to what would happen if you spent that exact same money and put it in like a fund, a reliable fund, you would get so much more money when you retire.

01:56:00.000 Like an enormous amount of time.

01:56:02.000 Well, now I almost feel like it's hamstringing because if it was the case that they let you keep, you could just opt out, you know, I don't want Social Security.

01:56:10.000 I want to keep it.

01:56:11.000 And then you took that and you put it in those hedge funds and retirement accounts and things like this, you would way maximize over what you get in Social Security.

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 You know, so but you can't opt out even though it's for you.

01:56:23.000 There's nothing the government does good.

01:56:26.000 Not a single thing.

01:56:26.000 Not a thing.

01:56:28.000 So why would they be good at that?

01:56:30.000 And why would anybody support that?

01:56:31.000 They're just not good at it, especially when it comes to money.

01:56:34.000 There's always a bunch of shenanigans that take place.

01:56:37.000 And the idea that they would say, oh, Social Security is sacred.

01:56:40.000 This we're going to really treat.

01:56:41.000 We're going to maximize the amount of investment and really take care of people.

01:56:46.000 We really care about people.

01:56:48.000 Yeah, we care about them tons.

01:56:50.000 It's so naive.

01:56:51.000 It's so naive and so obviously an ineffective and possibly corrupt system.

01:56:57.000 Why hasn't it become a weapon?

01:56:58.000 Entitlements are a weapon.

01:56:59.000 They're a political weapon.

01:57:01.000 Well, it certainly helps.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:03.000 And also, again, the suicidal empathy that Gad Saad talks about.

01:57:07.000 If you're on the left, you think of it as being like you're an empathetic person, a kind person.

01:57:12.000 You want people to have money when they retire.

01:57:14.000 You want people to have Medicaid and you want people to have welfare and you want people to have SNAP.

01:57:19.000 Who was the guy you brought up?

01:57:22.000 I'm trying to think of his name.

01:57:24.000 It was like maybe Professor Raft, something like that.

01:57:27.000 They brought up the Papua New Guinea thing.

01:57:29.000 Do you remember the Papua New Guinea thing?

01:57:32.000 Yes, I do.

01:57:33.000 So on that little island, right?

01:57:33.000 Yeah.

01:57:36.000 They have the Seminole people. 0.99

01:57:38.000 And the Seminole people basically molest young boys. 1.00

01:57:41.000 That's what they do, right?

01:57:43.000 But apparently the young boys there, they love it because it's a rite of manhood, right?

01:57:47.000 And it's all socially conditioned in.

01:57:50.000 The thing is, with suicidal empathy, that's really funny here to point out to a leftist, from their paradigm, there's nothing wrong with that, actually.

01:57:57.000 Where's the harm, right?

01:57:59.000 That's part of the suicidal empathy, the part of the ideology of suicidal empathy.

01:58:05.000 So like for me, from my worldview, it's like, I don't care if you don't think there's harm in that.

01:58:10.000 There is.

01:58:11.000 We're stopping it.

01:58:12.000 Emperor Andrew, done.

01:58:14.000 That's done.

01:58:15.000 No more.

01:58:16.000 I don't care if it's relativistic or not.

01:58:16.000 That's not allowed.

01:58:19.000 It's over.

01:58:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to try to defend that culture.

01:58:25.000 That culture is so wild.

01:58:28.000 The semen warriors of Papua New Guinea. 0.99

01:58:30.000 Yeah, the semen warriors have profanity of people who don't know. 0.99

01:58:35.000 And let's let's instead of just talking about this, let's read this from an actual source so we can explain.

01:58:42.000 Because they call the children, when I think they're six, the boys have to live with a man that they refer to as the anal father.

01:58:53.000 And this guy, and in order for them to grow strong, they have to consume semen, both orally and anally. 0.95

01:59:01.000 And so they get mouth fucked and ass fucked by this guy, and then they continue that when they grow up as part of their warrior culture.

01:59:10.000 And what stopped it?

01:59:12.000 You know what's what ended up finally stopping a lot of it?

01:59:15.000 Is it not going on anymore?

01:59:16.000 It still is, but a lot of it was stopped, depending on the tribe you were in, because of Christian missionaries.

01:59:22.000 Interesting.

01:59:23.000 Because of Christian missionaries. 0.99

01:59:24.000 But here's the thing that cracks me up, right?

01:59:26.000 And this whole culturally relativistic nonsense harm principles stuff.

01:59:30.000 You're Christopher Columbus, and you show up, and if culture is doing that, don't you put them to the sword? 0.83

01:59:36.000 Right.

01:59:37.000 Like, if you see the pyramids and they're cutting people's hearts out and like we're holding it up to this, to the to Raw or whatever, you're like, I'm supposed to feel bad that they put you to the sword.

01:59:48.000 Like, it's really hard for me to feel bad about that.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, it's really hard for me to be upset about that.

01:59:51.000 Right.

01:59:53.000 But with the seminal people, same thing.

01:59:54.000 It's like, if you went in there and you just used strong-armed force, this is why the libertarian NAP and stuff like that I disagree with.

02:00:01.000 Because it's like, if you went in there and he used strong-armed force and just stopped it immediately, so what?

02:00:07.000 So what?

02:00:08.000 How's the world a worse place for this?

02:00:10.000 How is it, you know, like, and how is that not ultimately stopping an egregious, sinful act that you can stop with ease?

02:00:17.000 Like, why not?

02:00:17.000 Right.

02:00:18.000 Why not do that?

02:00:19.000 Well, one of the things I got really into Aztecs recently because I wasn't aware that a lot of those temples that they found.

02:00:31.000 You would think that the people that built those incredible pyramids and temples.

02:00:35.000 No, they found them, didn't they?

02:00:36.000 You would think they have to be an incredibly sophisticated society.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:38.000 Well, it turns out they didn't really build them.

02:00:40.000 They found them.

02:00:40.000 No, they found them.

02:00:42.000 And they referred to them as the place where the gods were born.

02:00:44.000 I didn't know that.

02:00:45.000 I was always told that they built these incredible structures and then the Spaniards came and then they found them.

02:00:52.000 No, they were primitives who found something that was extremely advanced and then used it for their primitive application.

02:00:59.000 Not just primitive, but barbaric.

02:01:02.000 When they completed the consecration of the temple of Tenochtitlan, they killed somewhere between 20,000 on the low end and 80,000 on the high end.

02:01:14.000 They sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people within four days.

02:01:20.000 In four days.

02:01:21.000 And this was documented by, got to forget his name, something Diaz.

02:01:28.000 He was a Spanish chronicler.

02:01:31.000 So this is before Cortez came.

02:01:34.000 They started trying to figure out what's going on over there.

02:01:38.000 And one of the things that this guy came back, he said, this place is fucking crazy.

02:01:43.000 Like they killed 80,000 people.

02:01:46.000 And a lot of people have disputed that 80,000 people, but then they found so many bones that they're like, okay, it's probably somewhere north of 20,000, which is crazy enough.

02:01:57.000 They sacrificed him in four fucking days.

02:01:59.000 Generality is relative.

02:02:01.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 Right.

02:02:03.000 What's that, James?

02:02:04.000 As many as 4,000 was as max as they got to.

02:02:07.000 What do you mean the bones?

02:02:08.000 Yeah, the people.

02:02:09.000 Even if they did 20,000, I think the number I think I saw was four people.

02:02:14.000 It was like four people every minute you would have had to do?

02:02:17.000 Or it was something almost impossible to accomplish.

02:02:20.000 They just said the number was probably exaggerated a lot.

02:02:22.000 Right, but they said that the, no, I think if you look at something he brought up.

02:02:26.000 But I looked it up too.

02:02:27.000 I looked it up yesterday, actually.

02:02:29.000 I looked it up yesterday and they were saying that this guy, who was the guy that, okay.

02:02:36.000 We can I can, I know I have it saved so I can find it in here.

02:02:45.000 So this guy, this Diaz guy who's chronicling it in the case was this.

02:02:54.000 Really, really soon.

02:02:55.000 Okay.

02:02:55.000 Like within a couple of decades before Cortez.

02:02:59.000 Yeah.

02:03:03.000 Oh God, I'm trying to find it.

02:03:07.000 But it.

02:03:08.000 Maybe, I'll just, the perplexity of things that Spanish sources claimed 80,400 victims in 1487.

02:03:15.000 Right.

02:03:16.000 But modern estimates suggest 4,000 to maybe 20,000.

02:03:20.000 Right.

02:03:20.000 So 20, okay.

02:03:22.000 They don't really know.

02:03:23.000 So 20,000, 80,000 might be exaggerated if you think about the number, but just think about 20,000 people, killing 20,000 people by cutting their hearts out and throwing them down the steps of the pyramid in four days.

02:03:33.000 It's fucking crazy.

02:03:34.000 So if you're the Spanish, the Spaniards, and you come here, you don't feel bad about conquering those fuckers. 1.00

02:03:41.000 You're like, what are you guys doing?

02:03:43.000 Or how about when they showed up and they found the Mayans and they're playing football with human heads? 0.97

02:03:47.000 Now, here's the funny one.

02:03:49.000 They don't want to believe that they played football with human heads.

02:03:53.000 So historians try to say that they didn't play football with human heads, even though there's artistic depictions of them playing football with human heads.

02:04:01.000 Like, no, that was just symbolic.

02:04:02.000 Well, did they sacrifice humans?

02:04:04.000 Yes, they did, but I don't think they played football with their heads.

02:04:07.000 That would be rude.

02:04:08.000 It's that whole myth of the noble savage.

02:04:10.000 Exactly.

02:04:11.000 And that whole myth of the noble savage is something which is utilized by the left in order to make the claim that you are an imperialist and an occupier and a person who, yeah, you have colonized their land.

02:04:27.000 And the thing is, is it's like, if that's what we colonized, why do I care?

02:04:33.000 I ask this question all the time.

02:04:35.000 Why do I care if that's what I colonized?

02:04:38.000 If that's what my ancestors colonized, why should I give a shit about that?

02:04:42.000 Well, there's an amazing book about Texas called Empire of the Summer Moon.

02:04:48.000 It's all about the Comanche. 1.00

02:04:49.000 This entire land used to be before Mexico owned it.

02:04:53.000 By the way, one of the funny things, this lady said to me, you know, this all used to be Mexico.

02:04:58.000 I'm like, right.

02:04:59.000 But do you know for how long?

02:05:01.000 15 years.

02:05:02.000 Like, I've been here for six.

02:05:03.000 Like, you got to let that go.

02:05:05.000 That's not that long.

02:05:06.000 15 years.

02:05:07.000 And by the way, Mexico was only one.

02:05:08.000 And we had an Alamo over it, okay?

02:05:10.000 Yeah.

02:05:10.000 And by the way, Mexico was only one when it owned Texas.

02:05:13.000 Mexico started.

02:05:14.000 With its new constitution?

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 Because then, also, you have the language and the religion of your oppressors that you're trying to say is this noble and incredible culture that you're bringing over to America.

02:05:27.000 And you're all Catholic. 0.57

02:05:28.000 Yeah, you're all Catholic.

02:05:29.000 Y'all speak Spanish.

02:05:30.000 They used to have.

02:05:31.000 First of all, the people, the Native American people and the original people and the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Mexicans, it's essentially the same kind of people.

02:05:41.000 A lot of them are, they look the same.

02:05:45.000 It's like, if you look at Sitting Bull, it looks like he could be working at a taker.

02:05:48.000 My wife calls them the pygmy people. 1.00

02:05:50.000 Oh, they're tiny little people.

02:05:52.000 They hate inevitably.

02:05:53.000 They have flat noses and they like, yeah, they look like pygmy people. 1.00

02:05:57.000 Well, the original people of Mexico had, or what the land of Mexico had over 100 languages.

02:06:05.000 The Mayans alone had 30 different languages.

02:06:07.000 They're all lost.

02:06:08.000 Like these languages are all lost.

02:06:10.000 And we're supposed to think it's noble that this amazing culture that have the language and the religion of their oppressors. 0.99

02:06:17.000 And they want to move here with this language.

02:06:20.000 They're colonizing.

02:06:21.000 They're trying to colonize a place.

02:06:23.000 You've been colonized.

02:06:25.000 You're trying to colonize.

02:06:26.000 And here's the thing about colonizing.

02:06:28.000 Everybody, everybody that doesn't live in Africa, somewhere in their ancestry, there was a colonizer.

02:06:37.000 Like if you go to Minnesota and you see these Somali communities and everyone's speaking Somali, they have Somali businesses.

02:06:45.000 What do you think that is?

02:06:47.000 It's a colony.

02:06:48.000 Of course.

02:06:49.000 It's just not a big one.

02:06:50.000 It just hasn't taken over the entire country.

02:06:52.000 And when it does, you'll think it's great because they're not white. 1.00

02:06:54.000 Right.

02:06:55.000 Well, they're not colonizers.

02:06:57.000 They're not colonizers.

02:06:59.000 They're immigrants.

02:07:00.000 They're immigrants.

02:07:00.000 Yeah.

02:07:01.000 Right.

02:07:01.000 White people are colonizers.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, white people are the colonizers. 0.81

02:07:04.000 Everyone else is the immigrant. 1.00

02:07:05.000 Nobody feels bad for Swedish chicks with big tits that are moving to America. 1.00

02:07:08.000 You don't think that those are colonists.

02:07:10.000 Don't care.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 Don't care.

02:07:11.000 Yeah.

02:07:12.000 No one cares.

02:07:13.000 It's only the colonization.

02:07:15.000 Oh, man.

02:07:16.000 Well, the thing is funny, moving back to the myth of the noble savage thing, how weaponized that is when so much of it isn't true.

02:07:25.000 Like, for instance, you've heard of the Two Spirits.

02:07:27.000 Right?

02:07:27.000 Yes.

02:07:28.000 That's all bullshit, too.

02:07:30.000 The whole Two Spirit people, all bullshit.

02:07:32.000 Came from like one guy.

02:07:34.000 I don't remember, started with a B, right?

02:07:38.000 Like Bardece or something like this that they called them, right?

02:07:41.000 And it was one tribe of people who had some like weird thing that they did.

02:07:46.000 That was it.

02:07:47.000 Well, it was probably gay guys. 0.88

02:07:48.000 Yeah, that was the whole guys that like dressing up like women.

02:07:51.000 Yeah, that's where the whole two-spirited thing came.

02:07:53.000 And then suddenly it's like, no, the Native Americans had the two-spirit.

02:07:56.000 It's like, no, That is not the case at all.

02:08:02.000 You just made it up because then you could throw it in with your Skittles bullshit.

02:08:06.000 Right.

02:08:07.000 So that's the rainbow.

02:08:09.000 Throw it in with the Skittles bullshit.

02:08:09.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 The rainbow.

02:08:12.000 Yeah.

02:08:13.000 Well, the thing about this area here, before Mexico owned it, it was Comancheria.

02:08:18.000 It was owned by the Comanche.

02:08:19.000 But you know how they owned it?

02:08:21.000 Because they killed the fucking Apache. 0.89

02:08:24.000 Yeah.

02:08:24.000 That's colonizers.

02:08:25.000 Well, they were fucking brutal.

02:08:26.000 That's why this Empire of the Summer Moon book is so good because it just shows you how unbelievably barbaric the Comanche were. 1.00

02:08:34.000 They were the baddest motherfuckers around because they had figured out horse raising. 1.00

02:08:39.000 And by the way, they only got those from the market.

02:08:42.000 Yeah, from Europeans, right? 0.99

02:08:44.000 Yeah, which is crazy because horses actually originated from North America.

02:08:48.000 I thought they were in Europe and brought here from Europe.

02:08:50.000 Horses.

02:08:51.000 No, horses originated in North America and then made their way to Asia and then were wiped out in North America and then reintroduced.

02:09:00.000 But the natives didn't have access to them until Europeans brought it.

02:09:03.000 Okay, that's what I thought.

02:09:05.000 Their culture was so incredibly wild.

02:09:07.000 If you think about it, like you, you know, you're talking about where you think about Europe and Asia.

02:09:16.000 You've got people riding horses and building cities and you've got like agriculture and all these things.

02:09:22.000 And in North America, you basically have Stone Age people.

02:09:25.000 It's really kind of crazy.

02:09:27.000 Really kind of fascinating.

02:09:29.000 And then they get horses.

02:09:30.000 And the Comanches were the first ones that really figure out horse breeding.

02:09:34.000 They figured out how to castrate their horses.

02:09:37.000 And they became Mongols. 0.99

02:09:38.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 They basically became Mongols.

02:09:40.000 They became Mongols once they had access to horses. 0.98

02:09:42.000 Well, that was what that was the whole distinction anyway.

02:09:45.000 If you reduce it all between the two civilizations, Europeans had domesticatable animals, natives didn't. 0.93

02:09:51.000 And because we had domesticatable animals, we had labor.

02:09:51.000 Right.

02:09:54.000 We built these amazing societies and they didn't.

02:09:58.000 Like the difference that a work ox and a work horse can make in labor is astronomical.

02:10:05.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 And so, you know, like that's, that's the real difference.

02:10:09.000 Same thing with disease.

02:10:10.000 Like, ah, you know, the whites brought over all their diseases. 1.00

02:10:13.000 It's like, well, all those came from animals, smallpox, all that.

02:10:16.000 Got immunity because we have animal husbandry.

02:10:18.000 They didn't have any immunity to any of that.

02:10:20.000 Not only that, there's real evidence that syphilis came from Native Americans, and then they brought at least some forms of syphilis, and they brought that syphilis back to Europe, and then all the Europeans started going crazy and getting holes in their head and losing all their hair. 0.83

02:10:34.000 And that's where the big Whigs came from. 0.99

02:10:35.000 And then eating mercury pills to cure themselves.

02:10:40.000 It's crazy what people used to believe.

02:10:42.000 It's really kind of fascinating.

02:10:43.000 But the point is, even the people that lived in America before those settlers came, those people came from somewhere else.

02:10:52.000 They came from Siberia.

02:10:53.000 You know, everyone's a colonizer.

02:10:55.000 Everyone.

02:10:56.000 All over the world.

02:10:57.000 People, you start in Africa a million years ago, whatever it is, and then people start slowly moving away from the people that were kicking their ass, looking for a better place to live. 0.99

02:11:06.000 But isn't the whole thing from the leftist paradigm just to create or to delegitimize the fact that you can say, what do you mean?

02:11:16.000 My grandpa was born here.

02:11:18.000 His grandpa was born here.

02:11:19.000 No, he was a colonist.

02:11:20.000 I'm an American, and I have a right to my nation because by birth, I have a birthright to the land that I'm on, and so do my fellow countrymen.

02:11:29.000 Nope, it's an attempt to delegitimize that, right?

02:11:32.000 That's the whole point.

02:11:33.000 Just to delegitimize your claim to your own land.

02:11:36.000 Well, that's what we were talking about earlier with lefts, with leftists, where there's this purity test that no one can ever pass because they'll always keep pushing the boundaries further and further.

02:11:45.000 You're never going to be, there's no like real Americans. 1.00

02:11:49.000 Everyone who's white is a colonizer. 0.99

02:11:51.000 Yeah.

02:11:51.000 It's just, it's fucking goofy.

02:11:53.000 And it's just designed to point at someone that someone is the bad person.

02:11:59.000 And this is the reason why life sucks.

02:12:01.000 And also dismiss any of the terrible activities that any of the other people participate in because like, oh, they're just oppressed.

02:12:09.000 They're oppressed people, so they're lashing out.

02:12:12.000 Do you think, like, if you had, if you, again, the bird's eye view, what do you think the left, what do you think their end goal is here?

02:12:20.000 I don't think they know.

02:12:21.000 I don't think their end goal.

02:12:22.000 Their end goal is their enemy is the right, and the right is Nazis and fascists.

02:12:27.000 They want to eliminate the Nazis.

02:12:28.000 They want a roll initiative.

02:12:30.000 Roll initiative.

02:12:31.000 Right.

02:12:33.000 2D6 damage.

02:12:34.000 It's happening.

02:12:35.000 And they think that once they get into power, everything will be fine.

02:12:38.000 It's not going to.

02:12:40.000 And not only that, what would be fascinating is if someone from the left started behaving exactly like the people that are on the right, just did it from a perspective of the left where you would think, oh, this is okay.

02:12:55.000 And that's what we got during the Obama administration.

02:12:58.000 I sent you this thing, Jamie, a little bit ago, the clip of Obama talking about immigration.

02:13:05.000 And by the way, Obama, and I was mistaken on this.

02:13:09.000 I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border.

02:13:14.000 Uh-uh.

02:13:15.000 That was a third.

02:13:17.000 Most of the people out of the, I think it was 3 million over the course of his presidency that were deported were fucking deported, like arrested, deported.

02:13:27.000 A lot of people were killed.

02:13:28.000 Let's put on the headphones so we can listen to this speech because this sounds very MAGA.

02:13:34.000 Listen to this.

02:13:35.000 There are those in the immigrants' rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws.

02:13:57.000 And often this argument is framed in moral terms.

02:14:00.000 Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living?

02:14:06.000 I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument.

02:14:13.000 But I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair.

02:14:19.000 It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision.

02:14:27.000 And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration.

02:14:35.000 And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.

02:14:44.000 Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship.

02:14:57.000 And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

02:15:09.000 That sounds so Republican.

02:15:11.000 In 2010, that was a Democrat saying that, and everybody was like, well, okay.

02:15:17.000 That's reasonable.

02:15:18.000 Yeah.

02:15:18.000 And Tom Holman, who is the head now, was the guy then, and he gave him a fucking medal.

02:15:26.000 Find the clip of Hillary when she's running in 2012, where Hillary is more MAGA than Trump.

02:15:35.000 The way she frames things is so hardcore right-wing, she sounds to the right of Marjorie Taylor Greene. 0.62

02:15:42.000 If you've never seen this, have you seen this one?

02:15:44.000 I think so, but I'm going to look again.

02:15:46.000 Wonderful.

02:15:47.000 It's wonderful.

02:15:48.000 Because it just shows you how much horseshoe.

02:15:50.000 By the way, how good was he?

02:15:51.000 He was such a good spokesperson.

02:15:53.000 Like, the way he talked was so, it was so measured and so noble in the way he phrased his sentences.

02:16:01.000 Like, it was really, it's really interesting how much perception plays a factor in what you think of as like someone being a good president.

02:16:09.000 Because everybody on the left thinks of him as being like the most amazing president ever.

02:16:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:13.000 Now, this isn't the one.

02:16:14.000 Yeah, I know.

02:16:14.000 And he wasn't.

02:16:15.000 It keeps coming up, though, what I'm looking for.

02:16:16.000 But this isn't the one.

02:16:18.000 The one is she's giving a speech.

02:16:20.000 That's what I thought I was looking for, but I didn't even type in what I was looking for.

02:16:23.000 I just type in 2012, and that's the thing that keeps going.

02:16:25.000 Maybe it's not 2012.

02:16:26.000 It might have been 2008.

02:16:29.000 Don't do Hillary is more MAGA than Trump. 1.00

02:16:34.000 See if you can find it.

02:16:36.000 I know it's on YouTube, but it's this amazing campaign speech.

02:16:42.000 This is 2008.

02:16:42.000 You got it?

02:16:45.000 Is it 2008?

02:16:46.000 That's it.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:16:47.000 Listen to this.

02:16:47.000 Here it is.

02:16:51.000 I love this one.

02:16:52.000 I think we got to have tough conditions.

02:16:55.000 Tell people to come out of the shadows.

02:16:56.000 If they've committed a crime, deport them.

02:16:59.000 No questions asked.

02:17:00.000 They're gone.

02:17:01.000 If they.

02:17:02.000 Cheers.

02:17:03.000 Cheers from the Democrats.

02:17:04.000 If they've been working and are law-abiding, we should say, here are the conditions for you staying.

02:17:09.000 You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. 1.00

02:17:12.000 You have to pay back taxes.

02:17:14.000 And you have to try to learn English.

02:17:17.000 And you have to wait in line.

02:17:19.000 You're going to learn English everybody's cheering.

02:17:21.000 Yeah, they love it.

02:17:23.000 They love it.

02:17:24.000 And now Trump's a Nazi.

02:17:28.000 Yeah.

02:17:28.000 Trump's a Nazi.

02:17:29.000 That is more right-wing than Marjorie Taylor Greene. 1.00

02:17:34.000 Yeah, the Democrats were, I mean, there used to be labor unions that would put pressure on them, right?

02:17:40.000 This was a big thing.

02:17:42.000 Like there was labor unions.

02:17:43.000 That was what the Democrats had.

02:17:44.000 Yes.

02:17:45.000 And the labor unions did not want the cheap labor to come in and displace them from having their nice little high-wage jobs.

02:17:52.000 And so it was all about we got to deport the illegals. 1.00

02:17:55.000 Like, what did Bernie Sanders say?

02:17:57.000 Mass illegal immigration is a right-wing Koch brothers conspiracy to bring in cheap labor.

02:18:04.000 And he wasn't wrong.

02:18:05.000 Right.

02:18:05.000 Okay, he wasn't wrong.

02:18:06.000 He wasn't wrong. 0.97

02:18:07.000 But the thing is, is it's like, what the hell are we fighting over here?

02:18:11.000 Well, we're fighting over the fact that the left is just trying to ingratiate itself with power, and they don't really care about what the moral paradigm is.

02:18:20.000 As long as they can get their people in power, they'll use anything as a lichpin issue.

02:18:23.000 That's right.

02:18:24.000 That's right.

02:18:25.000 It's all about power.

02:18:26.000 The whole thing is about power, and that's what people need to truly understand.

02:18:29.000 You're being played.

02:18:30.000 You're being played.

02:18:31.000 You're being played in Minneapolis.

02:18:32.000 You're being played all around the country.

02:18:36.000 It's about power.

02:18:37.000 It's about them getting power.

02:18:38.000 And if you think that once they get complete, if they were successful, they imported millions more to all these swing states, they allowed them to vote, they completely rigged the system, now it's only – you think that's going to be good for everybody?

02:18:50.000 You're out of your fucking mind.

02:18:52.000 Do you think then that Christians knowing this, they know that these are bids for power.

02:18:52.000 Let me ask you this.

02:18:59.000 When you have Christian nationalism on the rise and Christians moving towards that, doesn't that seem like it's a rational and reasonable thing to do for them to want the mindset of if we're not in power, they will be in power. 0.94

02:19:13.000 It's rational from their perspective, for sure.

02:19:15.000 What people are terrified of is that it would restrict the freedom of religion and that you would impose Christianity on the entire country.

02:19:24.000 And I don't think you should impose any kind of religion on any people.

02:19:27.000 I think people should be free.

02:19:28.000 I've never seen the, I know that there are, of course, the people who push that there has to be an established theocracy in order for Christian nationalism to work.

02:19:38.000 But the frameworks that I've seen that have political legitimacy don't seem to push for that at all.

02:19:43.000 They push instead that the idea is that Christians should not be hamstrung from the ideals of holding power itself, that that does not make you bad or evil or awful, no matter what the left says how Christians are supposed to act.

02:19:58.000 And that when you are in power, you should rule with Christian ethics in mind.

02:20:03.000 That's how you're supposed to pass policy, public policy of all kinds, is through those ethical means.

02:20:10.000 That certainly sounds like that.

02:20:11.000 Not, hey, it's going to be a theocracy.

02:20:15.000 That doesn't seem like it's a necessary component.

02:20:19.000 No, well, people are afraid of the concept of a theocracy.

02:20:22.000 And I think that people are afraid of just human nature and that if people did get into power, that that's what it would become.

02:20:28.000 Just like these people are just trying to get into power, that they would use Christianity as a vehicle, and they would just use that as an ability to control people.

02:20:37.000 The real concern is just human nature.

02:20:40.000 Human beings, when they get into any position of power, like to keep it and expand it.

02:20:44.000 It's like that's what they do.

02:20:46.000 You know, I tell jokes, I talk shit.

02:20:48.000 That's what I do.

02:20:49.000 I like to talk shit.

02:20:50.000 I like to tell more jokes.

02:20:51.000 But there have been good kings, right?

02:20:53.000 There have been.

02:20:53.000 But boy, good luck.

02:20:55.000 Good luck finding a benevolent dictator. 0.94

02:20:58.000 Well, not anymore.

02:20:59.000 I don't think you would have to utilize a dictatorship.

02:21:02.000 But if it's the case that we can point to, like, there were people who had a lot of power who fundamentally were pretty good.

02:21:08.000 What was it that they're pointing to that made them good?

02:21:11.000 Like, is there something we can point society towards that can make our leaders a bit better, that can make our leadership not hyper-focus on the nonsense of like gay marriage and stuff like that, which is completely and totally unimportant at the political level and shouldn't be up to the federal government anyway. 0.67

02:21:30.000 Yeah, and I think it's a political tool too.

02:21:32.000 You know, Anna Paulina Luna was on the podcast and she said something that I really didn't consider about certain political problems that exist in this country that they don't want to solve them because they want to use them to finance their campaigns. 0.67

02:21:47.000 They want to run on those principles.

02:21:49.000 They want to run.

02:21:50.000 It needs to always be there.

02:21:51.000 It needs to always be there.

02:21:52.000 It needs to always be there as an issue.

02:21:53.000 And it's like, I think a lot of these can be solved.

02:21:57.000 Like if we were to have politicians in mass and their supporters in mass who followed Christian ethics, I do think a lot of those sub-issues get solved very quickly.

02:22:08.000 It's true Christianity if they really do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:22:11.000 But I think what people are really worried about is like when people think about Christians, they think about the worst case scenario of Christianity, which is like evangelicals on television that just try to get private jets.

02:22:23.000 But how is electing atheists better or electing socialists better or electing any of these people better? 0.69

02:22:28.000 It can't be better.

02:22:29.000 Right.

02:22:29.000 It's not better.

02:22:30.000 Like if someone's a complete sociopath that doesn't have any moral framework, like a Gavin Newsom type guy.

02:22:35.000 Like that's that's even more terrifying.

02:22:38.000 Yeah.

02:22:38.000 So it's like if I'm going to be ruled, can I at least be ruled by people who have my ethics or really who really believe in that they're trying to make the world a better place and they're not just trying to acquire wealth and help their donors acquire more wealth.

02:22:53.000 It's spooky.

02:22:54.000 It's spooky because people that have power, you know, it scares the shit out of everybody else.

02:22:59.000 And it should, because historically it's never been good.

02:23:02.000 It's almost always when people have power, they want more power.

02:23:06.000 And they want to also support the people that help them acquire that power.

02:23:09.000 And then they want to make sure they got that power locked down.

02:23:11.000 So what's the best way to do that?

02:23:12.000 Well, you restrict people's ability to express themselves, restrict people's ability to travel, you take away as much money as possible, tax them as highly as possible so they're always in this like state of constantly struggling to pay their bills.

02:23:26.000 You keep them completely, no one's comfortable ever.

02:23:29.000 And then, you know, have this problem that we have to solve.

02:23:33.000 This is why you have a problem.

02:23:34.000 It's these people.

02:23:35.000 And we're the solution, the causers.

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:38.000 Yeah.

02:23:38.000 The causers are the solution.

02:23:40.000 Do you, you know, one of the things that I, I mean, you engage in so many fucking debates, man.

02:23:45.000 I've watched, I've consumed a lot of your content online.

02:23:48.000 And I always wonder, like, does that wear on you after a while?

02:23:52.000 Oh, yeah, all the time.

02:23:52.000 Constantly.

02:23:54.000 Well, the thing is, is it so?

02:23:54.000 All the time.

02:23:59.000 I argue from a worldview.

02:24:01.000 My worldview is Christian ethics.

02:24:03.000 And this is a foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending.

02:24:07.000 Now, I'm happy to meet people in the middle.

02:24:10.000 A lot of people want to argue in the middle, right?

02:24:12.000 We're going to get past all the foundational stuff and we're going to go to the menu or the middle of the argument and start there.

02:24:18.000 And I'm kind of happy to do that to kind of move everything backwards or forwards so we can either get to the end or we can get to the beginning and get this figured out.

02:24:27.000 Yes, what wears on me the most about it is there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe what they're saying.

02:24:35.000 I know.

02:24:36.000 I know for sure.

02:24:37.000 And there's moments where I catch myself where I recognize it right then, that moment in the debate, and then I'll hammer them.

02:24:44.000 But it happens all the time where I'm like, you don't believe that shit.

02:24:47.000 There's no way.

02:24:48.000 And then they'll come back with a, you know, with a re-I do.

02:24:52.000 And you can just tell it's disingenuous.

02:24:54.000 Yeah.

02:24:55.000 I can't logically show it.

02:24:55.000 Right.

02:24:57.000 There's no way for me to logically show necessarily your motivation, maybe in extreme context.

02:25:02.000 But yeah, man, there's people who are pretty disingenuous about their view.

02:25:07.000 And there's times where it comes out and the whole audience can see it and you can see it.

02:25:12.000 And you're just like, just why?

02:25:14.000 This, why are you like, you don't even believe the shit yourself and you're propagating it on other people and you know people follow it.

02:25:21.000 You know, there's some cash there.

02:25:22.000 You know, there's a, but you're doing it anyway.

02:25:25.000 You're doing it anyway.

02:25:26.000 Like I've always thought in my head, you take a guy like Destiny, right?

02:25:30.000 The Coomer gremlin, as I like to call him, okay? 1.00

02:25:32.000 We call him the Coomer Gremlin. 0.99

02:25:33.000 What's that mean?

02:25:34.000 Well, like Coomer.

02:25:35.000 Like he just, all he does is basically like a sexual degenerate, right?

02:25:39.000 Is that what a Coomer is?

02:25:41.000 Well, a Coomer, it's a little more mild than that. 0.85

02:25:41.000 Yeah. 0.85

02:25:44.000 A Coomer's just like kind of one of the higher values is just kind of having sex with everyone around. 1.00

02:25:50.000 Like that's what you do here.

02:25:51.000 He's like bisexual, right? 0.99

02:25:52.000 Yeah.

02:25:53.000 Well, he's all kinds of sexual, apparently.

02:25:55.000 But the thing is, is like I've often thought that there's times when I'm talking to the guy where I'm like, you don't believe that.

02:26:05.000 Like you just, there's no fucking way you believe that shit.

02:26:07.000 You're making it up, and I know you're making it up, right?

02:26:10.000 And you'll catch him at times and be like, whatever I got to say to win the argument.

02:26:13.000 Yeah.

02:26:14.000 And it's like, yeah, I believe that.

02:26:17.000 I believe that.

02:26:17.000 Yeah.

02:26:18.000 But it's like, there are people who genuinely believe their view and are excellent debaters backing their view.

02:26:27.000 And I love those engagements.

02:26:28.000 You know, I live for those engagements.

02:26:30.000 The problem is, it's like it's 5% of them.

02:26:33.000 Right.

02:26:34.000 A lot of people are just trying to win, right?

02:26:35.000 Well, not just trying to win, but I don't even have a problem with going into a debate with a mindset of winning it.

02:26:41.000 If you're representing a view, you believe.

02:26:43.000 Right.

02:26:44.000 You want to win the engagement.

02:26:46.000 Whether it's a conversation or it's a debate, you want to win people over to your side.

02:26:51.000 You want to even win the person you're talking to over to your side, you know?

02:26:55.000 Or maybe sometimes you got to be brutal and destroy the view completely so people don't move towards it.

02:27:00.000 Both of those are completely, I consider them both fine, and I think they're both effective.

02:27:06.000 But the issue that I have ultimately is when you're arguing with somebody and you know they don't believe what they're saying.

02:27:11.000 Yeah.

02:27:12.000 And yeah, that wears on you.

02:27:14.000 And it's not just that, but sometimes you hear the same recycled arguments over and over and over.

02:27:21.000 And I'm like, you don't even have to tell me anymore.

02:27:23.000 I can get to the end before you can.

02:27:25.000 I can tell you exactly where you're going to go, what you're going to say, why you're going to say it, what your justification is going to be.

02:27:30.000 And I can just get to the end and take care of this right now.

02:27:32.000 It's got to be how old are you?

02:27:34.000 42.

02:27:35.000 So it's just turned 42.

02:27:36.000 It's weird, like in your late 30s, early 40s, to have entered into this world.

02:27:42.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

02:27:43.000 I mean, so strange.

02:27:45.000 It is beyond bizarre.

02:27:46.000 I mean, to be like a normal working class guy, literal nobody from nowhere. 0.52

02:27:52.000 No political experience, nothing.

02:27:55.000 I had no entryway, nobody in entertainment, nobody to help me along, nothing.

02:28:00.000 And so was it just seeing how ridiculous people were being during the COVID pandemic that motivated you to be vocal about all this stuff?

02:28:11.000 Well, and I had time.

02:28:13.000 Yeah.

02:28:14.000 You know, time's a big one.

02:28:15.000 But with the, with the layoff, it's like, oh, well, I don't really have a lot to do.

02:28:20.000 And I'm listening to this.

02:28:21.000 And it's like, now I can, maybe I can engage a little.

02:28:23.000 Maybe I can get involved a little bit.

02:28:25.000 You know, not much.

02:28:27.000 I didn't think anything would ever come of it.

02:28:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:29.000 I just wanted, I saw my view wasn't being represented very well.

02:28:34.000 But did you have a history of education?

02:28:38.000 Like, were you just reading books?

02:28:41.000 Like, where did you develop these ideas?

02:28:43.000 Well, it wasn't just from books, right?

02:28:43.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 I would listen to long form, you know, historic podcasts.

02:28:50.000 I would, more than anything, I would be listening to, you know, the mediums changed, but I would listen to what people had to say on a variety of issues.

02:29:00.000 And I would watch the news incessantly.

02:29:02.000 And I would be able to pick out what's true and what's not true after a while.

02:29:06.000 Political education comes from a variety of sources.

02:29:09.000 You can't get it from the news, and you can't get it from listening to just podcasts, and you can't get it by just talking to people.

02:29:15.000 You have to take a sum total of everything, all of it, in order to at least be even moderately politically savvy and understand what's going on in the world.

02:29:23.000 And I realize most people make commentary on things that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

02:29:27.000 And so how did you transition to doing this as a job?

02:29:27.000 Right.

02:29:32.000 Well, it's about two years in to doing this.

02:29:36.000 I was like, look, I sat down with my wife and I said, I'm not making enough money on my podcast to quit my job.

02:29:44.000 There's no way, you know, or doing debates to quit my job.

02:29:47.000 But I think I could.

02:29:47.000 There's no way.

02:29:49.000 I actually think I could if I just focused my time on it now.

02:29:53.000 I think I could do it, replace my income with ease.

02:29:56.000 God, that's a big risk, right?

02:29:57.000 It was a huge risk.

02:29:58.000 Because you have a family.

02:29:59.000 Yeah, huge risk.

02:30:01.000 And she said, okay.

02:30:02.000 Wow.

02:30:03.000 Gave me a kiss.

02:30:04.000 And next day I went in, quit, and I was like, I don't know what the fuck I just did.

02:30:12.000 You know, it's in some ways it was like, it's like, oh, I'm going to go be a big football star to screw you to your boss.

02:30:21.000 And it's like, it wasn't the same exactly, but it was a big risk.

02:30:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:25.000 But I just thought, you know, I really can make a go of this.

02:30:28.000 If I can focus my time and energy on this, I think I'll do really well at it.

02:30:32.000 Well, I think you have a very unique mind for it.

02:30:34.000 And I think you're very good at it.

02:30:37.000 And I also think you have really good points that are very valuable for people to hear.

02:30:42.000 And you're really good at pointing out the logical fallacies and pointing out the ridiculous thought processes that a lot of these people have.

02:30:51.000 And I, you know, that's important, man.

02:30:54.000 It's important for society.

02:30:56.000 And we probably don't think of it that way.

02:30:58.000 Probably just enjoy doing it.

02:30:59.000 And I feel like it's, but it's valuable because there's not a lot of people that are good at it.

02:31:05.000 I get hundreds of DMs weekly from people.

02:31:08.000 And they'll say things.

02:31:09.000 And this, again, I'll never get used to it.

02:31:11.000 But what I do, this is my process.

02:31:14.000 I sit down every morning.

02:31:16.000 I have a cup of coffee and I just respond to every DM that's sent to me.

02:31:21.000 Wow.

02:31:22.000 So I used to do that.

02:31:24.000 For me, you probably get too many, right?

02:31:27.000 Yeah, it's uncomfortable.

02:31:29.000 I thought so too.

02:31:30.000 I thought, well, if I start getting hundreds every day, there's just no way.

02:31:33.000 But I still do it every morning.

02:31:35.000 How much time does it take you?

02:31:36.000 It takes me hours, about two hours.

02:31:37.000 Wow.

02:31:38.000 Two hours every morning.

02:31:39.000 I'll sit down and I'll go through them.

02:31:41.000 And I can't send back long paragraphs, but usually I'll read exactly what they say.

02:31:45.000 And even I'll just say something like, thanks for the support.

02:31:49.000 Or, you know, I really appreciate you saying that.

02:31:52.000 That means a lot, you know, because it does.

02:31:55.000 To me, it's my privilege to have fans.

02:31:59.000 It's not their privilege to be one.

02:32:02.000 And so when I started to see that, and I started to see, wait, this actually does have a massive effect on people.

02:32:09.000 I also began taking it very much more seriously because I understood I can also say things that do the opposite.

02:32:16.000 They could move people towards the opposite of things which are good.

02:32:21.000 Or things which are things which you should be moving towards.

02:32:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:25.000 And so, you know, I do take it seriously.

02:32:27.000 And I understand my job is to represent a worldview.

02:32:30.000 And when I go into a debate, that's exactly what I think.

02:32:32.000 Millions of people are going to see this worldview on display.

02:32:35.000 I'm representing it.

02:32:36.000 I need to do the best I can to represent it well.

02:32:39.000 To be an intelligent, reasonable person who's both well-read and has very good points that you can express about social issues, societal issues, is it has a massive thing.

02:32:57.000 It's a very important thing that, you know, mainstream media is not doing a good job of filling that role.

02:33:05.000 It just doesn't.

02:33:06.000 You know, there's not a lot of people out there.

02:33:08.000 I mean, Christopher Hitchens is dead.

02:33:10.000 There's not a lot of people out there that are really good at debating against ridiculous people and exposing this.

02:33:18.000 And it's so important for people to sit down and see something like that and to recognize, like, oh, I've heard people like that talk.

02:33:27.000 I've always wondered, like, that doesn't make any sense.

02:33:29.000 Why doesn't someone tell that guy to shut the fuck up? 0.99

02:33:31.000 Why doesn't someone got, and you do that?

02:33:33.000 That's my job.

02:33:34.000 That's your job.

02:33:35.000 My job is to go in specifically and say, why don't you shut the fuck up?

02:33:38.000 Because what you're saying, what you're saying is so detrimental to people too.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 And it's nightmare fuel for them.

02:33:45.000 Like, I mean, people hear this stuff, man.

02:33:49.000 Like, I remember this one guy DM'd me and he was like, Andrew, I hate these fucking people.

02:33:54.000 Like, I hate them.

02:33:55.000 He said, I'll listen to them, man.

02:33:56.000 And I just fucking rage in my truck.

02:33:58.000 I'm like, I fucking hate these bastards.

02:34:00.000 He's like, but I can't stop listening.

02:34:02.000 He's like, his mindset was, I want to know what the enemy's thinking, right?

02:34:06.000 That's his mindset.

02:34:08.000 And I think a lot of it is maybe that particular guy is addicted to rage or whatever, whatever you want to frame it.

02:34:14.000 I don't think so.

02:34:15.000 I think the truth is, is that when people are trying to get to the bottom of things, they're trying to be like, why is this happening?

02:34:21.000 Why is this going on?

02:34:22.000 Why do these people think the way they do?

02:34:24.000 And then they start listening to them.

02:34:25.000 Sometimes it's way worse than you thought.

02:34:28.000 It's like, you really believe that shit?

02:34:30.000 You really think that that's the case?

02:34:32.000 You really think that we should be doing anything like this?

02:34:35.000 What is wrong with you?

02:34:37.000 And I think that for a lot of people, that could be a very kind of like jarring experience for them.

02:34:42.000 And I think that that's healthy, though.

02:34:44.000 I think that's healthy for you to be kind of jarred out of complacency a little bit.

02:34:47.000 Well, it's certainly healthy for other people to watch it because certain people lean in one direction or the other and they're not really exactly sure how they feel about things.

02:34:57.000 And sometimes someone who has bad ideas can be very compelling with these bad ideas because they're not being confronted by someone who's better at it.

02:35:08.000 And I think that's a very good.

02:35:10.000 Yeah.

02:35:11.000 You know, even some, if you just draw a stalemate, it's like sometimes even that's good enough.

02:35:18.000 Because it's like, you know, maybe I was leaning towards this or I was leaning towards that, but I'm not sure again.

02:35:24.000 Sometimes that's the best thing, right?

02:35:27.000 Maybe you shouldn't be too sure on this side or that side.

02:35:31.000 Right.

02:35:32.000 But, you know, before you commit, at least maybe I can stop you from making a committal to this.

02:35:38.000 Tons of people are like, man, I was on the fence about Christianity.

02:35:41.000 I was on the fence about Orthodoxy.

02:35:43.000 I was on the fence about this.

02:35:44.000 I was on the fence about that.

02:35:46.000 This debate did it for me, listening to what these people had to say.

02:35:48.000 This debate did it for me.

02:35:50.000 This debate did it for me.

02:35:51.000 You know, different fans have different highlights that they like because they're all coming from different walks of life.

02:35:57.000 But they're all very similar in one aspect.

02:35:59.000 Most of my audience are married men or marriageable age, but late 20s through 30s, early 40s.

02:36:07.000 That's about the demographic, but mostly like 32 to 45.

02:36:12.000 And so these people, they have some life experience.

02:36:15.000 They're not dummies.

02:36:16.000 And they're listening to it and they're like, it's about time someone told that.

02:36:19.000 You know, somebody let them know what was going on.

02:36:22.000 Somebody challenged those ideas.

02:36:23.000 Somebody buried them.

02:36:25.000 And yeah, that's what I'm effective at doing.

02:36:28.000 And that's what I'm going to keep doing because these people are, and the higher, here's what I've learned.

02:36:34.000 The higher I go in confrontation with the higher level people, the dumber they get.

02:36:40.000 Really?

02:36:41.000 The dumber they get.

02:36:42.000 Back in the old Twitch blood sport days when it was 50 live viewers and me against two leftists and we were slugging it out, they were smarter.

02:36:52.000 These were much smarter people than the high-level academic, like it took on these two academics recently at DebateCon, both of them are Ivy League graduates, right?

02:37:01.000 It was nothing.

02:37:03.000 I could have easily destroyed them while enjoying a hot bowl of soup.

02:37:07.000 It would not have like it was just, it was inconsequential.

02:37:12.000 Why do you think that is?

02:37:13.000 Well, I think it's because of there's a degree of ass kissing and there's a degree of people around you affirming over and over and over how f ⁇ ing great you are.

02:37:24.000 That's where that egotism comes in, where I was saying earlier in the podcast, you have to make sure you're grounded.

02:37:29.000 Make sure that your ego never takes over.

02:37:31.000 Make sure that you don't become the thing that you hate, right?

02:37:35.000 And it's so easy to do.

02:37:37.000 But it's also, I think, I think that as they go, things become more cerebral and academic rather than applicable.

02:37:48.000 And those kind of old debates that I was doing was people living in it, not external from it.

02:37:55.000 And so they, you know, it did, they had real emotion behind it.

02:37:58.000 This wasn't just a thing on a chalkboard.

02:38:00.000 You know, so and the other thing is I think a lot of people get where they are in media through connections and not because of merit.

02:38:00.000 Right.

02:38:08.000 I think a lot of people who are in media and are political opponents have no fucking business being there at all.

02:38:13.000 They're dumb as a box of rocks.

02:38:15.000 And they're there because they had connections or they had friends who assisted them in getting in the position they are.

02:38:21.000 And when they are actually confronted on their views, they fall apart.

02:38:24.000 They totally fall apart.

02:38:26.000 I've seen comedians, comics. who were on the road for years do better in academic debates than academics.

02:38:34.000 And I go, well, how is this possible?

02:38:36.000 Well, it's possible because that guy has real world experience.

02:38:39.000 He's probably just as well read as you had a lot of downtime, right?

02:38:42.000 So he educated himself, but he can do the thing you can't.

02:38:46.000 He can apply it.

02:38:48.000 That guy has a way to apply this knowledge in a framework that works because he's part of the apparatus of the world.

02:38:55.000 And there was nobody there where he was like, he tugged on their shirt sleeve and said, hey, daddy, or hey, you know, Uncle Bucks or whoever, you know, I want to be on Fox News and now they have an in, you know, and I think a lot of that in media happens.

02:39:10.000 I think it's very, very, a lot of nepotism there.

02:39:14.000 And a lot of people just really got no business being there at all.

02:39:17.000 Don Lemon.

02:39:18.000 Don Lemon.

02:39:19.000 Not just Don Lemon.

02:39:20.000 I mean, there's so many that just like to pick on him because he's picked on me.

02:39:25.000 Yeah.

02:39:25.000 Well, I don't know what Don Lemon's doing, picking on any, but like you would, you would, same thing.

02:39:29.000 You would destroy Lemon while enjoying a hot bowl of soup.

02:39:32.000 It would just be nothing because Lemon's biggest problem is he had never had any business.

02:39:39.000 He was, he was a token, literally a token.

02:39:42.000 He was the token gay black guy. 0.98

02:39:43.000 He was not valued for his great insights and wonderful political takes and the fantastic way in which he broke down the issues of our time.

02:39:50.000 He was valued because he was a gay dude who was black, who was like liberal talking points.

02:39:56.000 That's it.

02:39:57.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:39:58.000 I enjoyed this.

02:39:58.000 Hey, listen, man.

02:39:59.000 Let's do it again sometime.

02:40:01.000 Absolutely.

02:40:01.000 And tell everybody your show, The Crucible, where they could find it.

02:40:04.000 Yeah, my show is The Crucible on YouTube.

02:40:07.000 You can also make sure you go and grab a copy of my wife's book, Occult Feminism.

02:40:11.000 It's fantastic.

02:40:12.000 I brought you a copy, Joe.

02:40:13.000 Cool.

02:40:13.000 And then I know you love feminists.

02:40:16.000 That's why I brought that copy.

02:40:18.000 And then you can also catch me Debate University.

02:40:22.000 It's the thing that I've done for years.

02:40:25.000 It'll teach you how to debate.

02:40:27.000 You can go check that out as well, debateuniversity.com.

02:40:30.000 I really appreciate the time.

02:40:31.000 Hey, I appreciate you being here, man.

02:40:32.000 I think what you're doing is great.

02:40:33.000 I really do.

02:40:34.000 Thanks.

02:40:34.000 I enjoy it.

02:40:35.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 28, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2444 - Andrew Wilson

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