The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

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00:00:12.000 Oh, Alpha Brand?

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00:00:19.000 Oh, yeah?

00:00:20.000 Yeah, good stuff.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:22.000 Gregory.

00:00:23.000 Joseph.

00:00:24.000 See you, my friend.

00:00:24.000 Nice to see you, man.

00:00:25.000 The world's on fire.

00:00:27.000 World is on fire.

00:00:29.000 Good time for you to come in.

00:00:31.000 I mean, I literally, I mean, talk about being addicted to your scroll.

00:00:35.000 I got to really put the fucking phone down sometimes.

00:00:39.000 I know.

00:00:40.000 Yeah, it's not good.

00:00:41.000 It's not good for your brain to see all the problems of the world all piling, and everything looks like it's about to blow up.

00:00:41.000 No.

00:00:47.000 Iran looks like it's about to blow up. 0.98

00:00:47.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:00:49.000 They're talking about going into Cuba.

00:00:50.000 Don Lemon went to jail.

00:00:52.000 It's like, it's all crazy.

00:00:56.000 It's like, what's next?

00:00:57.000 Well, you know, when jail gives you lemons. 0.93

00:01:00.000 And it's also like, what's that whole theory about we're only supposed to be exposed to like 200 people in our lives?

00:01:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:08.000 That's Dunbar's number.

00:01:10.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 Well, you only can keep that many people in your head.

00:01:13.000 But you should only know about that many divorces and that much cheating and that much killing as would happen within two years.

00:01:20.000 Crime and you fill in the blank.

00:01:23.000 Fraud, waste, abuse, international politics, restrictions on speech in England.

00:01:30.000 Yeah.

00:01:31.000 This is a fucking crazy story.

00:01:33.000 This guy in England, an illegal alien, was a squatter in his house. 0.98

00:01:39.000 The court ruled that because he didn't live in the house, the guy didn't live in the house.

00:01:43.000 It was an empty house.

00:01:44.000 They gave him the house.

00:01:46.000 They gave the squatter the house.

00:01:47.000 The squatter sold it for 540 grand.

00:01:52.000 Squatter sold his house.

00:01:54.000 Took his house because he was living. 0.87

00:01:55.000 And this guy was like a pensioner. 0.93

00:01:58.000 He was just a guy who had like an extra house, like a fucking investment property.

00:02:04.000 You're right.

00:02:04.000 And this guy moved into it.

00:02:06.000 Have you seen it, Jamie?

00:02:07.000 I'm seeing something from a year ago.

00:02:09.000 I don't know.

00:02:10.000 Somebody sent it to me today.

00:02:11.000 They had that in New York back in the 70s and 80s.

00:02:14.000 There was a lot of empty units like down on the Lower East Side, like Tompkins Square Park area.

00:02:19.000 There was a lot of squatting.

00:02:21.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:02:22.000 Squatter moved in the pensioner's empty home, then won the legal right to keep it and sold the house for 500, I guess 540.

00:02:30.000 Is that Euros or pounds?

00:02:32.000 Is that pounds?

00:02:32.000 What's that?

00:02:33.000 Pounds.

00:02:33.000 Yeah, England has pounds.

00:02:35.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:02:37.000 That is so crazy.

00:02:41.000 England has lost its fucking mind.

00:02:44.000 It's almost like they want people to either revolt or completely submit.

00:02:49.000 It's one or the other.

00:02:51.000 It's like you're either begging for a revolution or you're begging for people to completely submit.

00:02:56.000 They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts.

00:03:00.000 Oh, that's right.

00:03:01.000 And most of it is criticizing immigration.

00:03:03.000 Just criticizing immigration.

00:03:04.000 Just saying immigration sucks. 1.00

00:03:06.000 We should send these people back home.

00:03:08.000 Cops show up at your door.

00:03:09.000 Right, right.

00:03:10.000 Crazy.

00:03:11.000 Well, TikTok is now not allowing people to post anything that is anti-ICE.

00:03:18.000 Not just that.

00:03:19.000 You can't post the juice box emoji.

00:03:22.000 What's that?

00:03:22.000 Because it's code for Jews.

00:03:25.000 Because people were using it because they were blocking content where they were criticizing Israel.

00:03:31.000 Wait, why is it juice box Jews? 1.00

00:03:32.000 I don't know.

00:03:33.000 No, juice.

00:03:34.000 Juice box.

00:03:34.000 Juice.

00:03:35.000 Juice.

00:03:39.000 It is funny.

00:03:42.000 But did they block the use?

00:03:44.000 This is, somebody sent me this.

00:03:45.000 I haven't verified this.

00:03:46.000 Did they block the use of the word Epstein?

00:03:49.000 I mean, I saw, I don't, I'm not on the app, but I saw a video of someone trying, you know.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, let's run that through Perplexity.

00:03:56.000 And ask if it's blocked.

00:03:57.000 Of perplexity will rat out TikTok.

00:04:00.000 Right, because that's it's so crazy that they would do it because they just purchased it, right?

00:04:06.000 So it was just purchased by some, what is the group?

00:04:11.000 Is it did Larry Ellison's group purchase it?

00:04:13.000 Okay.

00:04:13.000 Yes.

00:04:14.000 Which is a tremendous supporter of Netanyahu in Israel.

00:04:18.000 Right.

00:04:19.000 So, yeah.

00:04:20.000 There you go.

00:04:20.000 So you got censored news now.

00:04:22.000 So any criticism of Palestine, what's going on in Gaza, all that stuff's going to get squashed probably.

00:04:28.000 TikTok says does not have a rule that bans or blocks the word Epstein across the app, but many U.S. users have recently been unable to send that word in direct messages.

00:04:38.000 I have a friend, his name's Bobby Epstein, totally unrelated.

00:04:42.000 He's the guy who owns the Coda racetrack.

00:04:44.000 He's a good friend of mine.

00:04:46.000 I can't send a message saying I was just talking to my friend Bobby Epstein.

00:04:51.000 Oh, no shit.

00:04:52.000 That's crazy.

00:04:53.000 Wow.

00:04:53.000 Epstein is a super common name.

00:04:56.000 That's a super, it's like Jones.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 It was on Welcome Back Cotter.

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 Epstein from Welcome Back Cotter.

00:05:02.000 That's right.

00:05:03.000 You can't talk about him.

00:05:04.000 It's my brother on news radio.

00:05:05.000 No.

00:05:06.000 Yes.

00:05:07.000 Him, Nick DiPaulo, and Brian Callan played my brothers, and we all just beat the shit out of each other in the entire episode.

00:05:12.000 It was hilarious.

00:05:14.000 And Nick threw me through a plate glass window, and then the brother shows up.

00:05:17.000 Epstein was a priest, and he showed up with a bat.

00:05:19.000 We were all scared of our older brother.

00:05:21.000 It was really funny.

00:05:22.000 He was the Jew, the Puerto Rican Jew from Brooklyn.

00:05:25.000 He was great.

00:05:26.000 He's a really nice guy, too.

00:05:28.000 So what else does it say here?

00:05:32.000 Newson to probe claims of Trump critical censorship on TikTok.

00:05:36.000 I think they're fucking blocking a lot of things on certain social media platforms.

00:05:42.000 What is that?

00:05:43.000 I mean, what's your big picture take on whether or not social media platforms, which are privately owned, have responsibility that, say, regular broadcast networks would have in terms of not censoring things?

00:05:57.000 Well, regular broadcasts problem is they censor things.

00:06:00.000 They don't just report on the news.

00:06:01.000 They report on what they decide they're going to report on.

00:06:04.000 Like it's a CNN hourly news segment.

00:06:07.000 They have no responsibility to tell you about any particular story.

00:06:11.000 None.

00:06:11.000 Zero.

00:06:12.000 So they'll wait till something becomes like unmanageable before they'll start talking about it.

00:06:18.000 So something like starts getting traction on social media, like some sort of a corruption scandal.

00:06:22.000 If it's a left-wing scandal, they can ignore it.

00:06:26.000 And they have no obligation to, it's not like we have to tell you about these very critical.

00:06:30.000 It's not like we ran it through AI.

00:06:32.000 There's 20 things that the American public has to know about.

00:06:35.000 So they censor, or at least they curate the content.

00:06:40.000 I think for social media platforms, if Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter, we would be fucked because there would be no place where you could say whatever you want, even heinous things, right?

00:06:51.000 But if someone says heinous things, you can block them and not interact with them.

00:06:55.000 And you can let other people tear them down and tear them apart.

00:06:58.000 And that's how it's supposed to be.

00:06:59.000 It's supposed to be, you don't counter hate speech with censorship.

00:07:04.000 You counter it with better speech.

00:07:06.000 And you appeal to rational people and sensible people that go, this is why this guy is wrong.

00:07:06.000 Right.

00:07:12.000 This is why racism is wrong.

00:07:13.000 This is why rash generalizations are wrong.

00:07:15.000 This is why it's wrong.

00:07:17.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 And that's how you're supposed to do it.

00:07:19.000 It's supposed to be a free speech town hall platform.

00:07:22.000 It's supposed to be like the town square where everybody can get together and talk about ideas.

00:07:26.000 And that's how it should be.

00:07:28.000 Right.

00:07:28.000 And there's been a lot of calls that say that you shouldn't be able to be anonymous on social media, that you should have consequences for your actions.

00:07:36.000 The problem with that is then you lose all your whistleblowers, right?

00:07:40.000 All the whistleblowers that are talking about giant corporations that are doing horrible things to the environment secretly in other countries, which we find out about all the time.

00:07:48.000 Like the Stephen Dosinger case, where that guy got arrested.

00:07:51.000 He was prosecuted.

00:07:53.000 Was it Exxon?

00:07:55.000 The Dosinger case? 0.72

00:07:57.000 But it's like whistleblowers are important.

00:07:59.000 Yes.

00:08:00.000 You know, and if you don't have whistleblowers, you don't find out.

00:08:03.000 Like, if Edward Snowden doesn't come out, we know so little about the NSA.

00:08:08.000 We know so little about government spying.

00:08:11.000 And yeah, he's an American former attorney known for his legal battle.

00:08:14.000 Oh, Chevron, particularly with, so he was arrested and he went to jail, man, for criminal contempt.

00:08:22.000 I mean, that's First Amendment, isn't it?

00:08:26.000 You know, I don't know exactly the details of the case.

00:08:30.000 He spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest.

00:08:35.000 Wow.

00:08:36.000 Not only do they go to jail, it depletes all your savings.

00:08:40.000 If they decide to prosecute you, your life is ruined.

00:08:44.000 That's part of the point of it all.

00:08:45.000 It's to also discourage other people from doing the same thing.

00:08:48.000 So if you're an attorney and you're thinking of prosecuting, you know, Shell, you're not going to do that now.

00:08:54.000 You're going to go, fuck this.

00:08:55.000 You know, I have a fucking house trying to buy a Porsche.

00:09:01.000 And then you're back at it.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, right.

00:09:04.000 You know.

00:09:05.000 I mean, yeah, it's a weird thing because I know right now to cover the Pentagon, no journalists can go into the Pentagon unless they sign an agreement to only put out government-sponsored press releases.

00:09:24.000 Government-approved?

00:09:25.000 Government-approved.

00:09:27.000 So now you've got very few people inside the Pentagon, which is where the whistleblowing was happening.

00:09:31.000 They were the back halls of the Pentagon.

00:09:34.000 That's crazy.

00:09:35.000 But then, see, the problem with the Pentagon is you're talking about national security.

00:09:40.000 And if someone released something, like the name of an agent that was undercover somewhere and something happened, that person got killed or compromised, or some sort of a national security interest, you know, was the whole thing was tanked.

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 That's a the Pentagon's different.

00:09:57.000 I mean, I'm not saying that they press shouldn't have access to Pentagon officials.

00:10:03.000 They certainly should.

00:10:04.000 But it's like going there is kind of different, right?

00:10:08.000 It's like the FBI just arrested, they just had a giant sweep on gangs in this country today.

00:10:14.000 They just released that they found like, I think it was 10 kilos of drugs.

00:10:19.000 They arrested people.

00:10:20.000 They both cartels in America.

00:10:22.000 And so they made a giant arrest today.

00:10:24.000 I think they arrested 200.

00:10:26.000 See if we can find what that story is.

00:10:28.000 But like, imagine if you were in the FBI office and you heard about an imminent attack and you printed something.

00:10:37.000 Like if you're a reporter and you're covering this stuff and you have access to this information somehow and it gets released and these guys find out about it and they skate.

00:10:46.000 They nabbed 50 Latin kings in Operation Broken Crown after three months sweep.

00:10:54.000 So what is the details of it?

00:10:57.000 Okay, last three months, the FBI has quietly executed.

00:11:00.000 Sorry, I was about to just wild.

00:11:02.000 Okay, this is on X. Quietly executed Operation Broken Crown, a sweeping violent gang takedown involving 13 field offices targeting the Latin Kings gangs, members which were publicly threatening law enforcement officers, 50 arrests, $200,000 in seized assets, seizure of 10 kilos of illicit narcotics.

00:11:26.000 Interesting.

00:11:29.000 Interesting.

00:11:34.000 Well, so like that kind of a situation, you can't have access to that information before they do it.

00:11:40.000 That has to be very tight-lipped, you know.

00:11:42.000 But there's only a few of those kind of scenarios that I can imagine.

00:11:46.000 But when it comes to like politicians and backdoor deals, like there should be live footage of it.

00:11:53.000 It should be a lot of fun.

00:11:54.000 You only found out about the bomb, the illegal bombings in Cambodia because there was a whistleblower inside of the Pentagon.

00:12:01.000 Exactly.

00:12:02.000 Exactly.

00:12:03.000 So you do need some access.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, but it's like, well, you need whistleblowers, right?

00:12:07.000 Right.

00:12:08.000 It's like, how many people?

00:12:09.000 Here's the thing about intelligence agencies.

00:12:12.000 There's a lot of good people that are working there.

00:12:14.000 It's like we judge them based on the evil people that are probably the ones with the most power.

00:12:22.000 Yes.

00:12:23.000 There's probably a lot of like mid-level people working at the Pentagon, working at the CIA, working everywhere that are good people.

00:12:31.000 Are you kidding me?

00:12:32.000 These are people that have dedicated their lives to trying to, you know, I blame the same way with cops.

00:12:38.000 I think, you know, I got three good buddies that are cops, and they are absolutely went into it the way a social worker goes into it.

00:12:45.000 Yes.

00:12:45.000 And then there's evil ones that, you know, I think it was worse.

00:12:49.000 I think back like, you know, back in the days of like Serpico, you ever see that movie?

00:12:54.000 Like it was literally like the entire force was in on it.

00:12:58.000 You know, there was fucking legal gambling, legal drug dealing.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:02.000 Nobody got touched.

00:13:04.000 Yep.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, they've always done that.

00:13:05.000 I mean, that's how they ran the mob in Vegas.

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:08.000 The mob ran Vegas with the cops.

00:13:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:11.000 We're just talking about that outside.

00:13:12.000 Like, why was Vegas and Atlantic City the only places allowed?

00:13:17.000 I don't know why I stupidly asked that.

00:13:19.000 Jamie's like, because of the mob, asshole.

00:13:22.000 Fucking duh.

00:13:23.000 Well, it was the mob.

00:13:24.000 And I think Nevada, there was also, see if this is true.

00:13:30.000 There was supposedly a connection between the testing of nuclear weapons and then allowing the city or the state rather to have gambling.

00:13:41.000 Because Nevada was one of the rare places where they routinely tested nuclear weapons.

00:13:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:48.000 I don't know if you've ever seen the video that shows a history of all the atomic bombs going off in the United States.

00:13:56.000 The video is crazy because it starts with the first test, starts with the Trinity test, starts, they do the couple in the ocean.

00:14:03.000 What's the matter?

00:14:04.000 What's so funny?

00:14:05.000 Wow, just the way this is worded.

00:14:07.000 What is it?

00:14:08.000 I asked if there's a connection between nuclear tests and gambling in Las Vegas.

00:14:12.000 And turns out, yeah, they would use it as a theme to attract gamblers.

00:14:17.000 What?

00:14:19.000 Look, come see a bomb.

00:14:21.000 From the early 1950s to the 1960s, Las Vegas casinos and tourism promoters actively used nearby nuclear weapons tests as themed attractions to draw gamblers and visitors.

00:14:33.000 Holy shit, man.

00:14:34.000 Bomb parties.

00:14:35.000 It's like how my God, they had bomb parties on the rooftop.

00:14:40.000 They would watch, they'd stay up gambling, drinking, and then stepped outside to watch the blast on the horizon.

00:14:45.000 Wow.

00:14:46.000 Atomic cocktail.

00:14:47.000 Oh, my God.

00:14:48.000 Dude, it's like how Caesar says fireworks now.

00:14:51.000 They had atomic theme promotions, atomic cocktails, atomic hairdos, nuclear pin-up imagery like Miss Atomic Blast.

00:15:01.000 Slogans like Atomic City USA and Up and Atom to tie the test directly to Vegas nightlife and gambling culture.

00:15:09.000 Holy shit.

00:15:12.000 I wonder if you could place bets.

00:15:14.000 Dude, I bet your eyebrows singe off.

00:15:16.000 I don't know if they had the same thing like what they have now with modern prediction betting.

00:15:21.000 Prediction betting, you can bet on pretty much everything.

00:15:23.000 I just made a bet last night on.

00:15:25.000 Go back down to where you were.

00:15:27.000 Stop with the bottom line.

00:15:28.000 In short, nuclear weapons tests near Las Vegas were not just a backdrop.

00:15:32.000 They were deliberately woven into casino marketing, party culture, and tourism that supported the city's gambling economy.

00:15:39.000 But did it have the reason?

00:15:43.000 Here's my question.

00:15:45.000 Was Nevada allowed to have gambling because of them allowing nuclear tests?

00:15:53.000 Like, was there any sort of an agreement?

00:15:55.000 Because there's only two states at that time that allowed casinos, like real casinos.

00:16:01.000 Right.

00:16:01.000 And it seems kind of weird that one of them, you know, New Jersey's always been fucking corrupt.

00:16:07.000 That's the Sopranos. 1.00

00:16:08.000 It's like the most mob-ridden fucking state in the country at the time.

00:16:13.000 Based in Atlantic City, pretty much.

00:16:14.000 I mean, cut the fucking shit.

00:16:16.000 Atlantic City.

00:16:16.000 Yeah.

00:16:17.000 And then Vegas was Bugsy Siegel, right?

00:16:20.000 Okay, well, since Nevada legalized most forces of gambling in 31.

00:16:25.000 Okay, so it doesn't make any sense because it's before that.

00:16:28.000 So it's the Great Depression economic measure track tours.

00:16:31.000 So, no, so that theory doesn't hold up.

00:16:36.000 I didn't know that Vegas was started in 31.

00:16:38.000 That's nuts.

00:16:39.000 So basically, the Great Depression started, and then they launched Vegas as a way to raise money.

00:16:47.000 Which is hilarious.

00:16:48.000 You have no money.

00:16:49.000 There's no jobs.

00:16:50.000 Why don't you gamble?

00:16:51.000 What?

00:16:52.000 My gamble is going to the food line.

00:16:54.000 So you know, I get a loaf of bread.

00:16:56.000 That's my gamble today.

00:16:57.000 You know what's crazy is that lake keeps drying up because they were having a drought and they keep finding bodies in the lake.

00:17:02.000 Oh, no shit.

00:17:03.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:04.000 Like those metal barrels with like bodies inside of them.

00:17:09.000 They found quite a few of them.

00:17:10.000 How many bodies have they found?

00:17:11.000 Is it Lake Mead, I believe?

00:17:14.000 Yeah, so as it's drying up, it's at like it was, I think it's probably picked up a little bit, but at one point in time was at a historic low.

00:17:20.000 Yeah.

00:17:21.000 And so they were finding these fucking dead bodies.

00:17:23.000 I think they found like a half a dozen of them.

00:17:25.000 And I think they think there's a whole lot more in there.

00:17:28.000 No shit.

00:17:29.000 As of last latest reporting, at least six separate discoveries of human remains were made in Lake Mead in 2022 as the water level dropped, representing at least several different individuals.

00:17:42.000 Wow.

00:17:44.000 Find out that thing where they stopped searching for guns and bodies.

00:17:48.000 I think it was in MacArthur Park and why they did that.

00:17:50.000 David Tell back in his insomniac days used to hang, he hung out with some dark motherfuckers in New York. 1.00

00:17:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:57.000 And he used to bring this guy in who he was a New York City cop.

00:18:01.000 And they basically said, we'll double your pay and give you early retirement if you put on a frog suit every night and you go out into, I think it was Flushing Bay, one of the bays out in Queens, which was a famous place where the mob was dropping bodies.

00:18:18.000 And the guy would go into the water in a frog suit and he'd wait by this bridge.

00:18:23.000 And when they drop a body, he'd fucking call it in.

00:18:27.000 And he did that the night shift.

00:18:29.000 And he'd finish that and he'd come into the comedy cellar at like 4 a.m.

00:18:32.000 So he'd wait in the ocean in a scuba suit?

00:18:35.000 And then they drop a body?

00:18:36.000 Yeah.

00:18:36.000 Holy shit.

00:18:38.000 They were dropping that many bodies.

00:18:40.000 Yes, yes.

00:18:41.000 You can just wait for them.

00:18:46.000 That's so crazy.

00:18:48.000 Search in MacArthur Park for guns and possible bodies was stopped because authorities said it was an unpermitted and potentially unsafe operation on City Park property.

00:18:59.000 Okay, so it was a businessman.

00:19:01.000 So it was a private thing.

00:19:03.000 So that's probably what it was.

00:19:06.000 So officials, official reasons given.

00:19:08.000 Organizers led by businessman John, I don't know how to spell his name, A-L-L-E, how do you say that?

00:19:13.000 Ale?

00:19:14.000 L-A? 0.88

00:19:16.000 Plan to use sonar and remotely operated vehicles to look for weapons and human remains in the lake.

00:19:21.000 Los Angeles Park Rangers halted the effort before the sonar entered the water, saying the team did not have the required permits or clearances.

00:19:29.000 Okay.

00:19:30.000 Why didn't you guys do that, though?

00:19:32.000 If you really think, if this guy really thinks that there could be bodies and guns in the lake, why wouldn't you guys search for bodies and guns if someone could search for it?

00:19:41.000 Right.

00:19:42.000 It seems like there's probably a lot of people missing, a lot of crimes that could be solved, a lot of resources that have already been spent on cases.

00:19:48.000 You could probably get to the bottom of a lot of things.

00:19:52.000 A lay ale, I don't know how to say his name, said families of missing people, some of whom were last seen near MacArthur Park, had reached out to him for help, which inspired the idea of a large-scale sonar search of the lake.

00:20:03.000 There's evidence down there for crimes, he said.

00:20:06.000 We'll identify it with photography and the city will have to extract it.

00:20:10.000 It also could be these are homeless people and the kids.

00:20:14.000 The government doesn't give a shit.

00:20:15.000 They can't swim.

00:20:17.000 Come on, they were kids once.

00:20:19.000 It's hard to swim when you're on meth.

00:20:21.000 You have bad cardio.

00:20:23.000 You know, if one guy says, this is the last day I do meth, today I get in shape.

00:20:26.000 And he tries to swim across the lake and fucking strokes out in the middle of it.

00:20:30.000 This is my day.

00:20:33.000 Never gave him a.

00:20:34.000 Oh, geez, I'm in there.

00:20:35.000 What are they saying about me?

00:20:36.000 That's a scenario.

00:20:37.000 It's an ad.

00:20:38.000 Oh, it's an ad?

00:20:39.000 That's basically, yeah, that's an ad down at the bottom.

00:20:41.000 Oh, I mocked the AI-generated.

00:20:45.000 That was crazy.

00:20:46.000 The AI-generated photo that MSNB put, MSNBC put up of the guy who got shot in Minneapolis.

00:20:52.000 They changed his appearance.

00:20:55.000 Alex Predty?

00:20:56.000 Yes.

00:20:56.000 They changed his appearance and we were.

00:20:58.000 They made him handsome.

00:20:58.000 Oh, they did.

00:21:00.000 You haven't seen it?

00:21:01.000 No.

00:21:01.000 You have to see it.

00:21:02.000 You have to see it.

00:21:04.000 I don't know who's doing this.

00:21:06.000 It's almost like someone from the Republican side is like a secret plant at MSNBC because they know that stuff like this is going to get caught.

00:21:16.000 Look at the difference between the one on the left and one on the right.

00:21:19.000 Well, the nose looks blurry on the one on the left.

00:21:23.000 Well, that's his nose.

00:21:24.000 That's what he looks like.

00:21:24.000 It's just a shitty picture.

00:21:26.000 But they cleaned the picture up.

00:21:27.000 They made his nose smaller.

00:21:28.000 They gave him a tan.

00:21:29.000 They made his forehead shorter.

00:21:31.000 They made his jaw wider.

00:21:32.000 They made his shoulders thicker.

00:21:35.000 Yeah.

00:21:35.000 They gave him more bicep.

00:21:37.000 They made him more handsome.

00:21:39.000 They made his neck thicker.

00:21:41.000 He looks better.

00:21:42.000 Yep.

00:21:43.000 The guy on the right looks like a good-looking guy.

00:21:44.000 The guy on the left looks, you know, like Ari's unfortunate brother.

00:21:50.000 Doesn't he?

00:21:55.000 Poor Ari's brother.

00:21:58.000 I mean, it's so funny that Ari comes from this family.

00:22:00.000 I mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right?

00:22:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:03.000 And the things that he has put out there for a family to have to see, it makes you realize, and they love him.

00:22:13.000 Like, they accept it.

00:22:14.000 And it's all about grace.

00:22:16.000 And I love Jews because they are very accepting.

00:22:20.000 You know, as much as you might be Orthodox, my wife is half Jewish.

00:22:26.000 And there's something very open-minded about Jews.

00:22:30.000 I mean, they were the original hippies and they were the original communists in America.

00:22:35.000 And they were always open to different ideas.

00:22:38.000 And I think when I think about Ari's family, if they were Christian conservative versus Jewish conservative, I don't know that they'd be as accepting of him.

00:22:47.000 You know, Ari's dad survived the Holocaust.

00:22:50.000 No shit.

00:22:51.000 Ari's dad has a tattoo.

00:22:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:52.000 Damn.

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 He's very old.

00:22:56.000 Yeah.

00:22:58.000 He must be one of the oldest people left with a tattoo.

00:23:01.000 I mean, yeah, he talked to me about having his dad on.

00:23:04.000 He asked me if I'd be interested in it, if his dad ever wants to do it, because, you know, he doesn't have much time left.

00:23:09.000 And I said, absolutely.

00:23:11.000 And he goes, you know, let me, I'm not sure if he'd be interested in it.

00:23:15.000 But if he did, I think it would be important to talk to him.

00:23:17.000 I mean, he's got to be over 100 years old.

00:23:19.000 I don't know how old he is.

00:23:21.000 He's old, though.

00:23:22.000 Well, how long ago was he?

00:23:24.000 You would have to have been born.

00:23:25.000 Oh, no.

00:23:26.000 Actually, if he was born in 1935.

00:23:29.000 He's in his 80s, his late 80s.

00:23:31.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:32.000 What am I thinking?

00:23:33.000 Right, right.

00:23:34.000 Because they tattooed the fucking kids.

00:23:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:37.000 Yeah.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, it's dark.

00:23:38.000 Jesus.

00:23:40.000 It's horrible.

00:23:41.000 It's so crazy, dude.

00:23:43.000 It's so crazy that that was less than 100 years ago.

00:23:47.000 I know.

00:23:48.000 And the Germans like that fucking norm McDonald bit about how, you know, Germany is the country we really should be afraid of. 0.90

00:23:57.000 Like the way they start world wars and what they're like, it's really fucking nuts.

00:24:02.000 Well, they were the barbarians back in the day. 0.99

00:24:04.000 Oh, right.

00:24:05.000 You know, they, I mean, we think of now as engineers.

00:24:08.000 They make BMWs.

00:24:10.000 But back then, they were the barbarians during the Roman era. 0.72

00:24:12.000 The Vikings, the Vikings were Scandinavian, and then they were fighting against the Germans.

00:24:17.000 The Vikings were fucking terrifying.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 They were terrifying.

00:24:20.000 And they all became engineers.

00:24:22.000 They all became like brilliant.

00:24:24.000 Yeah.

00:24:25.000 Like very disciplined people, which is interesting because Germany is known for that.

00:24:30.000 But also, shit porn.

00:24:31.000 Remember, like in the early days of the internet, a lot of the shit porn, like weird, crazy, like shitting.

00:24:38.000 A lot of that was coming.

00:24:40.000 And we were trying to analyze it one day.

00:24:41.000 And I was like, it's probably because if you're so buttoned down and so disciplined and regimented and conservative in your daily life, the way you cut loose, it's like you shit in each other's mouths and fuck each other in the butt.

00:24:54.000 Like some of the craziest shit porn was coming out of Germany.

00:24:58.000 This was like late 90s, early 2000s, when we first started finding weird websites that would, you know, you'd be able to find things on.

00:25:07.000 Oh, no, before that, I'd go to Sex World in New York where you sit in those booths and you put in quarters and you watch porn.

00:25:13.000 And they always had the darkest German porn in there.

00:25:16.000 Yeah, a lot of animals and shit.

00:25:16.000 Really?

00:25:18.000 And I'm like 15 years old going like, and I've got these coins.

00:25:22.000 You go in and you give the guy 10 bucks and he gives you a handful of coins.

00:25:27.000 Just imagine if you put a black light on those fucking coins and I got them in my hand.

00:25:32.000 Just jizz all over those things.

00:25:35.000 And I'm black lights are terrifying.

00:25:36.000 I'm pushing buttons to pick which film to watch.

00:25:39.000 I have a friend who brought a black light into a hotel room.

00:25:42.000 He said, you just find jizz on the carpet.

00:25:44.000 No kidding.

00:25:44.000 You find jizz on the fucking blanket sometimes.

00:25:47.000 You go to any, like go to a cheap hotel or a motel.

00:25:50.000 How well do you think they're cleaning those carpets?

00:25:52.000 Do you think they clean the walls?

00:25:53.000 I've been in hotels where they put the remote control in a baggie for you because they say that's the most no, no, because so you don't have to touch the remote.

00:26:02.000 And then they change the baggie on the remote each time a new guest comes in.

00:26:07.000 So you're supposed to remote through the baggie?

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 Who does that?

00:26:10.000 I take it out of the bag.

00:26:11.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:26:12.000 That's ridiculous.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 I'm touching toilet seats.

00:26:14.000 I'm touching everything.

00:26:15.000 What are we talking about here?

00:26:19.000 I'm also not that afraid to come.

00:26:21.000 You know, it's going to kill you.

00:26:24.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 I mean, that's just kind of gross.

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 You know, I mean, think about how much shit is on the average person's cell phone.

00:26:31.000 Have you ever heard of that?

00:26:32.000 No.

00:26:33.000 Just touch your cell phone with a swab, like get a swab and get it analyzed.

00:26:33.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 You'll find fecal matter all over yourself.

00:26:41.000 Well, because we're scrolling while we're on the toilet.

00:26:42.000 A lot of people are.

00:26:44.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 A lot of people.

00:26:45.000 And also you're touching things and then you touch your phone.

00:26:47.000 And how many people touch their ass and touch a thing, a doorknob, or this and that.

00:26:51.000 You're getting fecal matter on everything.

00:26:54.000 Especially if you have a cat.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:56.000 I used to think about that all the time when I had cats.

00:26:58.000 Like the cats are in the shitbox.

00:27:00.000 They're scratching around there and then they're walking on your counter.

00:27:02.000 They're walking.

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:03.000 You know, they don't give a fuck where they go.

00:27:05.000 They go everywhere.

00:27:05.000 And you don't care.

00:27:06.000 You're like, hey, buddy.

00:27:07.000 You pet them when they're on the counter.

00:27:09.000 You want to have shit in their paws. 0.75

00:27:11.000 Then your dog licks his asshole and then licks it. 1.00

00:27:13.000 And then people have him licked their face.

00:27:14.000 They lick my face.

00:27:15.000 Really?

00:27:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:17.000 No.

00:27:17.000 I let him give me kisses.

00:27:20.000 Have you seen him lick his asshole?

00:27:22.000 I have.

00:27:23.000 For sure, especially my puppy.

00:27:25.000 I have a little puppy now.

00:27:26.000 Imagine a black light on your face right now.

00:27:28.000 My puppy goes right, you know, I have a little.

00:27:31.000 You'd look like you were in blackface. 0.99

00:27:32.000 Probably.

00:27:33.000 I just splatter like I'll be the joker.

00:27:37.000 Al Gelzi. 0.89

00:27:39.000 I have a puppy, like a, he's a King Charles Cavalier.

00:27:42.000 He's a little tiny, cute.

00:27:43.000 He's so fucking cute.

00:27:45.000 And then I have the golden retriever.

00:27:46.000 And the puppy runs right up to the golden retriever, sticks his face in his dick, and then sticks his face in his asshole. 1.00

00:27:52.000 And that's the first thing he does to him every time.

00:27:54.000 Face on the dick, face out of the asshole. 0.98

00:27:57.000 I'm like, bro.

00:27:58.000 What are you doing?

00:27:58.000 Wow.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 That's just dogs. 0.94

00:28:01.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 It's funny how they keep.

00:28:02.000 That's what they do.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, I had two dogs and they did that.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, every fucking day.

00:28:06.000 They sniffed each other.

00:28:07.000 Like, you know, I mean, I guess that's how they know if something changed.

00:28:14.000 Maybe they know if the other dog is sick or if the other dog is breeding with another dog.

00:28:19.000 It's like kind of checking their emails.

00:28:22.000 Well, they get so much information from smell that we can't even possibly process.

00:28:26.000 They say that a dog can smell a cheeseburger.

00:28:26.000 Right, right.

00:28:29.000 They don't just smell the cheeseburger.

00:28:30.000 They smell every individual ingredient.

00:28:32.000 They smell the mustard.

00:28:33.000 They smell the pickle.

00:28:34.000 They smell everything.

00:28:34.000 They smell the lettuce.

00:28:36.000 Yeah, they smell, they smell, they think that dogs smell anxiety.

00:28:41.000 They smell like moods.

00:28:43.000 That's why when certain people come over your house, they're scared of dogs.

00:28:45.000 Dogs get sketchy with them.

00:28:46.000 Like, what the fuck's up with this guy?

00:28:48.000 Like, oh, he doesn't like you.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:49.000 Like, well, it's because the person's probably nervous.

00:28:51.000 They're giving off a scent.

00:28:52.000 Right.

00:28:53.000 No, my mom, her sister was attacked really bad by a dog when they were little.

00:28:57.000 So my mom has this trauma about dogs. 1.00

00:28:59.000 We had these little fucking, we had a shihhtzu and a lassa opso.

00:29:03.000 They're just little dogs.

00:29:04.000 She was terrified, and the dogs would growl at her, and they didn't growl at anybody.

00:29:09.000 Oh my God.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 That's crazy.

00:29:11.000 That's crazy.

00:29:12.000 Yeah.

00:29:14.000 They smell things.

00:29:15.000 They sense things.

00:29:16.000 That's why people have them as guards. 0.99

00:29:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:18.000 I mean, that's their, that's how they, that's how they made it.

00:29:21.000 To be dogs.

00:29:21.000 Right.

00:29:22.000 They were the wolves that hung out with us and would let us know when something's going down.

00:29:26.000 Sentinels.

00:29:27.000 Yeah.

00:29:28.000 That's, well, I have a very strong olfactory sense.

00:29:32.000 Like, I'm very, of my five senses, I would put it up there at the top.

00:29:37.000 Like, I, I love perfume.

00:29:40.000 I love perfume.

00:29:40.000 Really?

00:29:42.000 I don't like when women wear too much of it and then they hug you at the comedy store and then you go home and you smell like fucking perfume. 1.00

00:29:48.000 You're like, honey, it's just Whitney Cummings has this new Chanel.

00:29:54.000 But like sometimes I'll be, I'll walk, I'll be sitting somewhere and I'll smell some nice perfume and I'll fucking whip my head around.

00:30:01.000 It's like some 81-year-old woman hunched over and you're like, oh, they don't wear the old ladies. 0.99

00:30:08.000 No matter how old they are, they'll still put on the makeup.

00:30:10.000 They'll still put on the pair.

00:30:11.000 They're done.

00:30:12.000 Let it out.

00:30:14.000 Time to go out and see, go fishing.

00:30:17.000 See if this old bait can catch a bass.

00:30:20.000 Right, right.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, there's this bar up at my, where my mom lives in Florida.

00:30:26.000 And there's this bar and it's like a famous cougar bar.

00:30:30.000 And it's all these rich women who's, because, you know, men die faster. 1.00

00:30:34.000 Right.

00:30:35.000 It's like, it's impossible for a woman in Florida who's in her 70s to find a guy who's, you know, anywhere near her age.

00:30:42.000 She's got to date a guy in his late 80s if she's in her 70s.

00:30:45.000 Wow.

00:30:46.000 And so these women go to this bar and they are, like you said, they're wearing a lot of leopards, a lot of leopard print. 1.00

00:30:52.000 Yeah, they're letting you know.

00:30:54.000 It's stiletto heels.

00:30:55.000 It's like stiletto heels, but the toes are all twisted and mangled.

00:31:00.000 My wife has been watching this horrible show that's on Netflix. 1.00

00:31:04.000 It's like one of those housewife shows, but it's all West Palm Beach ladies. 1.00

00:31:09.000 It's all these rich ladies with plastic surgery. 1.00

00:31:13.000 Palm Beach, not West Palm Beach.

00:31:14.000 Palm Beach.

00:31:14.000 That's right.

00:31:15.000 Palm Beach ladies.

00:31:17.000 Is Palm Beach the rich area?

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 Is West Palm like the more moderate area?

00:31:20.000 No, no, it's poor.

00:31:21.000 It's poor.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:23.000 Well, it has good sections, but it has the people that work on Palm Beach cleaning the houses live in West Palm Beach.

00:31:31.000 Oh, I see.

00:31:32.000 Because there's basically Palm Beach is a bridge to get to.

00:31:35.000 Do you know the history of Palm Beach?

00:31:36.000 No.

00:31:37.000 They do, yeah, but go ahead.

00:31:39.000 They created it.

00:31:40.000 It was like a sandbar that they built up, and then they hired, they didn't hire, they hired a bunch of black people to come on the island and build all the houses, the infrastructure. 0.67

00:31:51.000 I don't know.

00:31:54.000 I mean, for sure, they only hired black people?

00:31:56.000 I mean, look it up, Jamie.

00:31:57.000 But like, all I know is there was a lot of black people doing the building.

00:32:02.000 They finished it, and then the island held a big party for the black people on the end of the island to celebrate, and then they torched all their houses and forced them off the island. 0.99

00:32:11.000 Yeah, that's the history of Palm Beach.

00:32:13.000 They torched their houses after they were done building the mansion.

00:32:16.000 Yes.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 And it's probably the wealthiest piece of real estate in the country right now.

00:32:25.000 So many people are fucking evil.

00:32:27.000 That's so evil.

00:32:29.000 Imagine a guy who built your house.

00:32:31.000 He's at home with his kids.

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:33.000 You know, wow, what a great job I got.

00:32:36.000 You know?

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 And then I get to start living in this beautiful place.

00:32:39.000 I live in this place.

00:32:40.000 I helped build these beautiful mansions.

00:32:42.000 These people are going to love me because I helped them create a life.

00:32:45.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:45.000 And they lit their fucking houses on fire.

00:32:48.000 Yeah.

00:32:48.000 Pull up that story.

00:32:49.000 I need to hear about that.

00:32:50.000 That's crazy.

00:32:51.000 But these ladies are just monsters. 1.00

00:32:55.000 It's just all like the social status.

00:32:59.000 It's all like, who's got the most money?

00:33:01.000 Like, they don't even know how much money I have.

00:33:03.000 Like, I'm a millionaire.

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:05.000 And then they have these clubs.

00:33:06.000 My friend's father lives there, and he belongs to a club.

00:33:09.000 Oh, you got to belong to him.

00:33:10.000 And he worked for, I won't say who the person was, but a very famous Jewish family.

00:33:16.000 And he – she went to lunch one day at one of these clubs that didn't allow Jews and the waiter would – Clubs still don't allow Jews?

00:33:24.000 No.

00:33:25.000 No, this is going back 20 years at the most.

00:33:28.000 Only 20 years?

00:33:28.000 20 years ago?

00:33:29.000 So in 2006, 2006.

00:33:32.000 Probably about 20 years ago.

00:33:33.000 There was clubs in the Jews?

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:35.000 Well, you know, Augusta, where they play the Masters, only started allowing black members in like the 80s.

00:33:42.000 Remember Tiger Woods was playing there and he got shit because he was a black playing at a club where they didn't allow black people.

00:33:49.000 Really?

00:33:50.000 And they said, how could you do that?

00:33:51.000 In Tiger Woods' lifetime?

00:33:53.000 Yep.

00:33:54.000 Yeah.

00:33:54.000 Wow.

00:33:55.000 Wow.

00:33:56.000 So anyway, so this Jewish woman goes to the club. 1.00

00:33:58.000 The waiter wouldn't come over to the table.

00:34:00.000 And finally, the member went over and goes, what's going on?

00:34:03.000 We can't serve.

00:34:04.000 We can't serve her. 0.76

00:34:08.000 How'd they even know she was Jewish?

00:34:10.000 She's famous.

00:34:11.000 Oh.

00:34:12.000 I think I can say who it is.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 It was Estee Lauder's wife.

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:16.000 Wow.

00:34:18.000 Or was Estee Lauder the woman? 0.79

00:34:20.000 Estee Lauder is the woman.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 I don't know.

00:34:22.000 It was her.

00:34:23.000 Wow.

00:34:24.000 One of the richest women in the country.

00:34:26.000 Wow.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 We can't serve her because of her religion. 1.00

00:34:29.000 Yeah.

00:34:30.000 Wow.

00:34:31.000 Yeah.

00:34:32.000 Wow.

00:34:33.000 And that was 2006?

00:34:35.000 Hey, the country clubs, you know, the rule on it was, well, look, the Friars Club.

00:34:39.000 Let me make sure that's true.

00:34:42.000 The Estee Lauder one.

00:34:43.000 I definitely want to find out about the burning.

00:34:45.000 Well, the Estee Lauder is personal information.

00:34:47.000 I don't know that that's not published anywhere.

00:34:49.000 All right.

00:34:50.000 Forget about that, though.

00:34:50.000 But no, segregation and clubs.

00:34:52.000 Private clubs used to get away with that until I was a member of the Friars Club in New York, and they did not allow female members until I was there in, it was the late mid-90s before the Friars Club allowed female members.

00:35:09.000 And the reason was legally, you can't have a club exclude people if you can prove business is being done there.

00:35:16.000 If there's commerce.

00:35:18.000 If there's no business, you can let in whoever you want.

00:35:21.000 So that's how they got female members in there. 1.00

00:35:21.000 Right. 1.00

00:35:23.000 And I think they probably, I mean, obviously business is being done at golf clubs.

00:35:27.000 Well, business is definitely being done at the Friars Club.

00:35:30.000 I mean, a lot of deals probably got made there.

00:35:32.000 A lot of ideas got hatched.

00:35:35.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:36.000 I mean, all these comics.

00:35:37.000 It was all agent.

00:35:38.000 It was agents and comics.

00:35:39.000 I remember you used to love that place.

00:35:41.000 Dude, it was so funny.

00:35:42.000 You always tell me about it.

00:35:43.000 It was so unappealing to me.

00:35:46.000 It was a clubhouse for comedians.

00:35:48.000 We used to go there.

00:35:50.000 They had two beautiful pool tables.

00:35:51.000 I played on the Friars Club pool team, and we used to play against other clubs in the city, all the other private clubs.

00:35:59.000 Paul Servino was my partner.

00:36:01.000 Paul Servino could play.

00:36:02.000 He was good.

00:36:03.000 He was good.

00:36:05.000 He could run 100 balls in Straight Pool.

00:36:07.000 He was like a legit high-level player.

00:36:10.000 So he carried me, but we used to play all the clubs.

00:36:13.000 And then, you know, and then they got a nice gym with the best steam room in the city.

00:36:17.000 And then they got these lazy boys.

00:36:19.000 You work out, you take a fucking steam, and you send a lazy boy, and you read the newspaper.

00:36:24.000 And then they got a dining room downstairs where Henny Youngman is at one table, Alan King's at the, you know, and these guys, like those old, those old Borschbell comics, they lived to make you laugh.

00:36:35.000 It's not like comedians today.

00:36:36.000 So many of them are dark and quiet and disturbed.

00:36:40.000 These guys fucking told jokes and they roasted you and they hugged you.

00:36:46.000 And it was like a part of being on stage almost, you know?

00:36:50.000 It was expected.

00:36:51.000 Right.

00:36:52.000 They probably all felt real comfortable in this comics-only club.

00:36:56.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 Right.

00:36:57.000 Folklore surrounding the sticks of Palm Beach.

00:37:00.000 So that's what it is.

00:37:01.000 That's the area what they called it.

00:37:03.000 So.

00:37:04.000 Go to the top of that, please.

00:37:05.000 Right there.

00:37:07.000 Turn of 20th century is an employment boom of unprecedented proportions in South Florida, the hiring of thousands of black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's Florida East Coast Railroad.

00:37:16.000 Oh, this is the East Coast Railroad.

00:37:20.000 These laborers played a key role in the development of the early Palm Beach, also helped to build the Royal Point Siana Hotel, Flagler's White Hall residence, which is today known as the Henry Flagler Museum.

00:37:35.000 Laborers and their families settled in Palm Beach Island between North County Road and Sunrise Avenue.

00:37:40.000 This area of shanties and tent-like homes soon became known as the Styx. 0.99

00:37:46.000 Many of those descendants still live in the area today.

00:37:50.000 So what happened?

00:37:51.000 Does it say what happened?

00:37:54.000 Okay, along came a fellow named Henley Flagler who decided he needed that land to build on to develop, Little said.

00:38:01.000 And he threw a party for all the blacks on the island.

00:38:04.000 And they all went over to the party.

00:38:07.000 And while they were celebrating and enjoying themselves, their homes on the island of the town of Palm Beach burned down mysteriously.

00:38:15.000 Holy fuck, dude.

00:38:17.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 From what I heard, McRae said, he got with the residents and set up a party on West Palm Beach side and had everybody ferried over to the party and then had a mob of people to burn up people's homes and shanties and tents all over the styx and forced them out of there and took the land.

00:38:33.000 How many people died?

00:38:34.000 I don't know how many people died.

00:38:36.000 It's just they're all gone.

00:38:37.000 Right, but what about their kids?

00:38:37.000 But there's a record.

00:38:39.000 Around 2000 people living in that area is what it said.

00:38:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:38:42.000 And then this is the problem.

00:38:44.000 When I was looking it up on Wikipedia, this is basically what I read.

00:38:47.000 Okay.

00:38:48.000 Palm Beach Historical Society version is very different.

00:38:51.000 Published text only says that by 1912, the tenants of the Styx had been evicted.

00:38:57.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:38:59.000 They could have still been there, especially the shambles. 0.99

00:39:00.000 The Spanish Flagler threw some money at the Palm Beach Historical Society.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, of course, right?

00:39:04.000 No mention of a fire or any record of large-scale homelessness that would have followed such a devastating blaze.

00:39:10.000 Everly Clark believes his version is the most accurate, and the Styx was actually legislated out of existence.

00:39:16.000 They claim there was a fire and Flagler had the people come to circus and all that, but that's not true.

00:39:21.000 Still, more than a century later, the urban legend remains strong and the pulse of public opinion split.

00:39:28.000 There are so many historical facts that make some of the scurrilous removal of the residents believable that it's become lore for the most part in the black community. 0.71

00:39:36.000 All right, well, let's find out if there's a historical record of the fires.

00:39:40.000 This is all I could get to.

00:39:41.000 That's it.

00:39:42.000 This is a local news.

00:39:43.000 And what year was this, supposedly?

00:39:46.000 1920?

00:39:47.000 1912.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, I bet they did.

00:39:49.000 I mean, look what they did in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

00:39:54.000 Right.

00:39:55.000 You know, this was part of the playbook.

00:39:57.000 Right.

00:39:57.000 Well, look what they did with the Tuskegee experiment.

00:40:00.000 Look at that.

00:40:00.000 Right.

00:40:01.000 Like, how about that?

00:40:02.000 They knowingly had all these people with syphilis and didn't treat them just to study them to see what would happen to them.

00:40:09.000 Did they give people syphilis or did they just treat them for syphilis?

00:40:13.000 I don't know.

00:40:13.000 Whatever it was, they let these fucking people rot and die.

00:40:16.000 And syphilis is a fucking horrible disease.

00:40:18.000 Tell me about it.

00:40:20.000 Did you get it?

00:40:22.000 Do you know the story about syphilis and wigs? 0.89

00:40:25.000 You don't know that?

00:40:25.000 No.

00:40:26.000 All those dudes in the ancient times that had the big wigs?

00:40:26.000 No.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 That was to cover up their hair loss from syphilis.

00:40:32.000 Dude, how did not everybody have it?

00:40:35.000 Well, they all had wigs.

00:40:36.000 They all had it.

00:40:37.000 Right.

00:40:38.000 In high society, first of all, those people were basically like Game of Thrones.

00:40:42.000 They were all just fucking freaks banging each other.

00:40:45.000 You know, French society has always been very loose sexually.

00:40:49.000 And so these two royals, were they brothers or cousins?

00:40:54.000 I think they were brothers.

00:40:55.000 I'm double checking them.

00:40:56.000 So these guys get syphilis, their hair falls out, right?

00:40:59.000 You get holes in your face and shit, and they're still fucking everybody, right? 0.83

00:41:03.000 And so they got wigs made.

00:41:05.000 And the more money you had, the more elaborate and big your wig was.

00:41:10.000 That's why rich people are big wigs. 1.00

00:41:13.000 No.

00:41:14.000 Yes.

00:41:15.000 I love it.

00:41:16.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:41:17.000 Wow.

00:41:18.000 Crazy.

00:41:19.000 That term that we always use when we were kids, oh, he's a big wig. 1.00

00:41:22.000 Yeah.

00:41:24.000 That's like ancient.

00:41:26.000 That goes back to the 1400s.

00:41:28.000 That's like something you would hear on that guy, Cody Tucker's.

00:41:32.000 Yes.

00:41:33.000 I love that guy.

00:41:33.000 I'm doing his podcast.

00:41:34.000 Oh, he's not online.

00:41:36.000 He's great.

00:41:37.000 Very smart guy.

00:41:38.000 Here's what's interesting.

00:41:40.000 There's real, there's a strong connection between the syphilis that evolved in North America and the syphilis that these guys had in Europe.

00:41:50.000 Like there's always been syphilis, but syphilis had an outbreak in Europe after people came to North America, probably fucked a bunch of Native Americans, and then went back to Europe with these fucking diseases. 0.86

00:42:04.000 And then it mutated.

00:42:05.000 It's a different kind of syphilis.

00:42:07.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 Wow.

00:42:08.000 They were cousins, it turns out.

00:42:09.000 They were cousins.

00:42:10.000 Yeah, that's what I thought.

00:42:12.000 This is a story.

00:42:13.000 They were commonly used to cover up hair loss.

00:42:16.000 But their use did not become widespread until two kings started to lose their hair.

00:42:21.000 King Louis the 14th of France experienced hair loss at the age of 17, then hired 48 wig makers to help combat his thinning locks.

00:42:31.000 So a lot of these guys wound up getting syphilis, and there was normal hair loss on top of it.

00:42:38.000 Both conditions being syphilitic signals.

00:42:42.000 Everybody had syphilis back then, man.

00:42:44.000 I mean, they probably didn't wear condoms.

00:42:46.000 They're probably all freaks.

00:42:48.000 They all went to whores. 1.00

00:42:49.000 Yes.

00:42:50.000 I mean, that's what you did.

00:42:51.000 When you were a wealthy guy, you went to the whore house all the time. 1.00

00:42:54.000 Then you came home and you gave it to your wife. 0.68

00:42:56.000 Then she had a baby.

00:42:57.000 And depending on the disease, babies are born with the sexually transmitted disease that you gave your wife. 0.88

00:43:03.000 Right.

00:43:04.000 And that's what the crazy thing about the Epstein Leagues today.

00:43:07.000 The one email that said that Bill Gates wanted to get from him antibiotics to give to Melinda because he got syphilis or he got something.

00:43:20.000 Damn.

00:43:20.000 The clap, chlamydia, whatever he got.

00:43:23.000 He got some sort of an SDD from a prostitute.

00:43:25.000 Do you think if she could have the choice between getting the, what did she get, $50 billion or not getting the syphilis?

00:43:32.000 Well, whatever she got.

00:43:33.000 I bet it wasn't syphilis.

00:43:34.000 It was probably the clap.

00:43:36.000 It was probably chlamydia or something like that.

00:43:37.000 That's no big deal.

00:43:38.000 But if who knows if that's true, though?

00:43:41.000 Here's the thing: like Epstein clearly was some sort of a blackmailer.

00:43:47.000 And this is an email that Epstein wrote.

00:43:50.000 So it could be complete fiction.

00:43:52.000 Epstein could have written that just to put pressure on Bill Gates for some fucking business deal.

00:43:57.000 Like, who fucking knows?

00:43:59.000 He could have spread rumors and then said that he'll squash those rumors.

00:44:02.000 These guys are dealing in deception and blackmail.

00:44:06.000 And so you can't assume that it's true.

00:44:09.000 Think about how many relationships Epstein had, and that he was working almost every one of them, leveraging.

00:44:19.000 He was kind of brilliant.

00:44:21.000 Well, he was really good at that.

00:44:22.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 That one thing.

00:44:24.000 You know, guy could have cured cancer if he went into that business.

00:44:27.000 Well, he was into science.

00:44:28.000 Yes.

00:44:29.000 Well, he was also into compromising scientists, right?

00:44:32.000 Like, let's say that you want to get a drug passed, right?

00:44:35.000 And you want FDA approval of this drug, but it's some sort of a competing drug.

00:44:39.000 Well, you have a bunch of scientists on your side, and these scientists can go attack that competing drug.

00:44:44.000 And then all of a sudden, well, you have this guy who comes from MIT and he says this.

00:44:49.000 You're like, oh, and then the FDA listens to him.

00:44:51.000 I mean, it's very important to have the leverage of respected academics.

00:44:56.000 Right.

00:44:56.000 You know, Epstein, with a smiley emoji, asked former Israeli PM Ihad Barak.

00:45:03.000 Is that how you say his name?

00:45:04.000 Ehud Barak to clarify he does not work for the Mossad in a meeting with a senior Qatari investment official.

00:45:14.000 Quick thread starts at the bottom and goes up.

00:45:16.000 Oh, okay.

00:45:18.000 Hi, are you going to be in London on Thursday?

00:45:20.000 Best, EB.

00:45:22.000 You, unfortunately, not.

00:45:22.000 Right.

00:45:24.000 You should make clear that I don't work for Mossad Smiley Face.

00:45:28.000 Oh, boy.

00:45:28.000 Or I, question mark, that I don't smiley face.

00:45:31.000 Yeah, he doesn't work for them.

00:45:32.000 He just volunteers for them.

00:45:34.000 Well, a smiley smiley face emojis are hilarious.

00:45:40.000 Evil cocksuckers. 1.00

00:45:42.000 Smiley face emojis.

00:45:44.000 That's hilarious.

00:45:46.000 Right.

00:45:47.000 That's so funny.

00:45:48.000 Dude, there's this really good show about Mossad called Tehran.

00:45:51.000 Have you heard of that?

00:45:52.000 No.

00:45:52.000 Oh, I have to do it.

00:45:53.000 It's on Apple Plus.

00:45:55.000 It's really good.

00:45:56.000 I mean, it's a really good look inside of what goes on in Iran in terms of.

00:46:01.000 I mean, the Israelis are fucking brilliant.

00:46:03.000 The infiltration that they did into the world.

00:46:05.000 No one's like them.

00:46:06.000 They're the best.

00:46:07.000 Yeah.

00:46:07.000 They're the best at that.

00:46:08.000 Well, they have to be, right?

00:46:09.000 Those pagers.

00:46:10.000 This is them.

00:46:11.000 This table is people who hate them.

00:46:13.000 Yeah.

00:46:13.000 Right, right.

00:46:14.000 You've got to become a bad motherfucker.

00:46:16.000 Your neighbors don't want you dead.

00:46:18.000 Those pagers going off in Lebanon?

00:46:19.000 That was a long play.

00:46:22.000 That was years.

00:46:22.000 Much of that.

00:46:24.000 Was it years?

00:46:25.000 Years.

00:46:26.000 Wow.

00:46:27.000 Yes.

00:46:28.000 Wow.

00:46:29.000 Crazy.

00:46:29.000 They're like, blow your dick off.

00:46:33.000 You blow a hole through your pelvis, apparently.

00:46:35.000 That's how you die.

00:46:37.000 And you're isolating your enemy.

00:46:39.000 There's no civilian casualties.

00:46:42.000 Well, I bet they probably got some kids. 0.92

00:46:43.000 But low, low percentage versus bombing a building or something.

00:46:47.000 Which they did do.

00:46:48.000 Which they all said to do.

00:46:49.000 Yeah.

00:46:50.000 They did some of that, like the guys in the building.

00:46:53.000 I was on the level of the building.

00:46:54.000 I was on Good Day LA one time.

00:46:56.000 You know, it's all those like pretty women. 1.00

00:46:58.000 They're actually really sharp.

00:46:59.000 They're great.

00:47:00.000 And I go, they say, oh, you came along.

00:47:04.000 I go, no, my agent's supposed to be here any minute.

00:47:06.000 He's Lebanese.

00:47:07.000 I just paged him before I got here, but I haven't heard anything back.

00:47:11.000 And they fucked.

00:47:12.000 They were like, whoa.

00:47:14.000 It just happened like three days before.

00:47:19.000 Didn't we just not we?

00:47:20.000 Didn't Israel just bomb Lebanon today?

00:47:23.000 Oh, really?

00:47:24.000 I believe so.

00:47:25.000 Yeah, at least according to Twitter.

00:47:27.000 Well, what's going on in Iran?

00:47:28.000 I heard things are heating up over there.

00:47:30.000 Well, Trump just said they're sending ships in that area, but he also said Iran wants to make a deal.

00:47:37.000 So maybe he's trying to put pressure on them to make a deal.

00:47:40.000 Yeah.

00:47:41.000 And, you know, hopefully nothing happens in terms of like military intervention.

00:47:45.000 It's scary shit, dude.

00:47:47.000 Because they have nuclear weapons or they have the potential to eventually have nuclear weapons.

00:47:53.000 But, you know, I don't know.

00:47:54.000 Did Israel bomb?

00:48:00.000 Yeah, there was some image that showed like some fucking huge explosion.

00:48:06.000 And it said Israel just bombed Lebanon.

00:48:11.000 They definitely have recently.

00:48:12.000 I've seen something about airstrikes late Friday.

00:48:16.000 Oh, I guess it'd be late there, right?

00:48:18.000 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:48:23.000 No, there's not, I mean, it's if it is, it's like it's just breaking.

00:48:26.000 It's sort of just in the news.

00:48:28.000 There's some stuff.

00:48:29.000 Well, the thing is, like, there are, you know, there it is.

00:48:32.000 Two hours ago.

00:48:33.000 Israel bombs Lebanon.

00:48:34.000 But it's like the only thing I'm seeing about it.

00:48:34.000 Yeah.

00:48:37.000 Well, that doesn't usually happen.

00:48:38.000 It's probably all just coming out, right?

00:48:40.000 No, I mean, would you type in that on that's all you see?

00:48:43.000 Is that one?

00:48:44.000 So that might not be true.

00:48:45.000 Click on that link to see if anybody's disputing it.

00:48:48.000 It's only got 15 responses.

00:48:48.000 Click on that tweet.

00:48:52.000 Is this true?

00:48:52.000 Grok, click on that.

00:48:56.000 Multiple sources indicate report Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon on January 30th.

00:48:56.000 Yes.

00:49:03.000 Targeting Hezbollah.

00:49:04.000 IDF confirmed a wave of strikes.

00:49:07.000 Lebanese media noted the drone hit in.

00:49:10.000 Say that word. 0.63

00:49:12.000 How do you say that word?

00:49:13.000 Sidikin? 0.98

00:49:14.000 Sidikin.

00:49:15.000 Killing one Times of Israel in Sirock News for Details. 0.88

00:49:20.000 Shafak.

00:49:21.000 Whatever you say that is.

00:49:22.000 News for details.

00:49:24.000 We're so fucking lucky, man.

00:49:25.000 We got no neighbors.

00:49:26.000 Nobody's launching one of those.

00:49:27.000 Well, we're in a good spot geographically.

00:49:30.000 To be separated by oceans on both sides is fucking nice.

00:49:34.000 Which is why we should be really good friends with Canada.

00:49:36.000 Like, what the fuck's going on?

00:49:37.000 Trump ruined that whole thing, man.

00:49:39.000 Because if he didn't talk about turning Canada into the 51st state, the Conservatives are going to win.

00:49:43.000 Pierre Polovet would have taken over.

00:49:45.000 It would have been like they would have eased a lot of the restrictions, made it a lot more common sense.

00:49:50.000 Dude, China was just up there. 0.94

00:49:52.000 They just made a huge deal to get all their cars from China now.

00:49:56.000 We're not going to sell any American cars in Canada.

00:49:59.000 You know, it's a real problem because China has some fucking amazing cars.

00:50:04.000 Amazing cars now.

00:50:06.000 Bro, they're not fucking around.

00:50:07.000 Their electric vehicles are top of the food chain, man.

00:50:11.000 Tesla, just yesterday, they just stopped the Model X, Model S and X production.

00:50:17.000 I saw that.

00:50:19.000 Apparently, Elon is this Optimus robot is going to change the world.

00:50:25.000 Everybody that I know that's seen it, when this thing integrates with AI, you're going to have a fucking dude in your house.

00:50:33.000 You're going to have a super genius robot dude in your house.

00:50:38.000 Does he look like?

00:50:40.000 Looks like iRobot.

00:50:41.000 He's going to be able to do whatever the fuck you need him to do.

00:50:43.000 Go dig a ditch.

00:50:44.000 Go do this.

00:50:44.000 Take out the garbage.

00:50:45.000 You know what's fucking great is for old people that live alone. 1.00

00:50:49.000 100%.

00:50:49.000 They know everything about your life.

00:50:51.000 They could actually hold a conversation with you.

00:50:53.000 Yes.

00:50:54.000 Show pictures of your fucking grandkids on their chest while they know your interests, ask you memories.

00:51:01.000 All people want to do is talk about, you know, memories, and they're going to listen.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, they'll talk to you.

00:51:06.000 Yeah.

00:51:07.000 Not only that, they'll confirm all of your delusions.

00:51:10.000 Tesla to build 1 million Optimus robots per year at Fremont Factory.

00:51:15.000 1 million a year.

00:51:17.000 Damn.

00:51:18.000 We need these robots because they're going to terraform the moon and Mars. 0.99

00:51:21.000 Like, we're not going to do it.

00:51:22.000 The robots are going to do it.

00:51:24.000 I don't think anybody's going to Mars.

00:51:26.000 Not in our lifetime.

00:51:28.000 I think that's all the future.

00:51:30.000 It's a little chilly up there.

00:51:32.000 It's not just that.

00:51:33.000 It's just like no one's going to want to do it.

00:51:35.000 Only suicidal people want to go.

00:51:37.000 It's a one-way trip.

00:51:38.000 Well, you can get back.

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:40.000 It used to be a one-way trip.

00:51:40.000 You can get back.

00:51:41.000 Now they figured out you can get back.

00:51:43.000 Yeah, but you have to wait six months.

00:51:43.000 Oh, really?

00:51:44.000 Yeah.

00:51:45.000 You get back like every six months.

00:51:46.000 That's that movie, The Martian.

00:51:47.000 Plus, the flight's going to be delayed.

00:51:49.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:50.000 Or you just hope it doesn't get hit with a micrometeor while it's out in space.

00:51:54.000 Like all kinds of weird shit can happen.

00:51:56.000 What's the micrometeor?

00:51:57.000 Micrometeors.

00:51:59.000 Micrometeors.

00:51:59.000 Tiny ones are flying around.

00:52:01.000 They just punch holes through everything.

00:52:02.000 They're going like 170,000 miles an hour and they just go whipping through the building.

00:52:06.000 How much junk is there in space right now in terms of like satellites that just scrapped out?

00:52:13.000 Well, just have you ever looked at the amount of satellites that surround the Earth?

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 It's fucking bananas.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 It's nuts.

00:52:19.000 And then there's.

00:52:20.000 And there's no plan for when they expire, right?

00:52:22.000 They just stay up there.

00:52:24.000 Well, some of them, they lose their orbit, their orbit decays, and then they come crashing down to the earth.

00:52:29.000 Yeah, that happens.

00:52:30.000 And, you know, they have to figure out where they're going to hit.

00:52:33.000 You know, and hopefully they don't hit the middle of fucking, you know, Dusseldorf.

00:52:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:40.000 Like, you could hit a major city.

00:52:41.000 That's a funny city to say.

00:52:43.000 Dusseldorf.

00:52:45.000 I mean, it could, you know, you got a fucking satellite down there.

00:52:48.000 It could land right in your face.

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:50.000 That's wild.

00:52:52.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 Yeah.

00:52:55.000 I went to SpaceX for the launch of the last rocket.

00:53:01.000 I watched the launch.

00:53:02.000 Jamie did too.

00:53:03.000 We were right there.

00:53:04.000 And I went into the control room with Elon and watched the entire journey while it was flying over the earth and it lands and touched down in Australia in the ocean 35 minutes later.

00:53:18.000 Really?

00:53:19.000 It was nuts.

00:53:20.000 So it breaks through the atmosphere, travels, and then comes straight down in 35 minutes.

00:53:25.000 Space goes, and you get to watch because they have like 20 fucking cameras on the thing the entire time live streaming through Starlink.

00:53:33.000 So you're live streaming the interior.

00:53:35.000 They're monitoring the pressure of the cabin.

00:53:37.000 They're monitoring all these different things.

00:53:39.000 And so this is the way they test tolerances.

00:53:43.000 It's like when a lot of people say, oh, his rockets blow up.

00:53:45.000 He's a dumbass.

00:53:46.000 They want the rockets to blow up.

00:53:47.000 They have to find out what makes the rocket blow up.

00:53:50.000 How much pressure can you put?

00:53:52.000 How thin do the walls have to be?

00:53:53.000 How reinforced do things have to be?

00:53:57.000 They make adjustments.

00:53:58.000 That's what they do.

00:53:59.000 So they've calculated in a certain amount of failures that they expect to have.

00:54:05.000 And this one actually had a failure, but still landed.

00:54:08.000 So that's going to be the new first class is going to Australia in 35 minutes.

00:54:15.000 Wow.

00:54:16.000 Boom.

00:54:17.000 That's crazy.

00:54:18.000 Nuts.

00:54:20.000 35 minutes.

00:54:20.000 Touchdown the ocean.

00:54:22.000 But a pretty intense ride, I would imagine.

00:54:24.000 I mean, it's not a smooth.

00:54:25.000 But touchdown in an exact spot where they had boats ready.

00:54:29.000 They had cameras filming it.

00:54:32.000 They filmed the entire touchdown.

00:54:33.000 Does it have to be over the ocean or can they land on land?

00:54:36.000 Well, his rockets can now land on land.

00:54:39.000 You've seen how that thing comes down and lands on the ground, which is bananas.

00:54:43.000 And then they stop landing them on the ground.

00:54:45.000 Now they catch them with arms.

00:54:47.000 It's even more efficient.

00:54:48.000 You've seen that, right?

00:54:49.000 Well, because NASA was wasting so much money because every single rocket was ruined when it came back.

00:54:55.000 Well, you know what's crazy?

00:54:57.000 NASA is about to launch the Artemis mission and no one's talking about it.

00:55:02.000 Where is that going?

00:55:04.000 They're sending people around the moon and having them come back to Earth. 0.91

00:55:07.000 And you hear nothing about it.

00:55:09.000 Like, have you heard about it?

00:55:11.000 No, me neither.

00:55:12.000 You know how I found out about it?

00:55:13.000 Somebody asked me at the club.

00:55:15.000 Some guy in the audience said, what do you think about the Artemis mission?

00:55:17.000 I go, what is it?

00:55:18.000 He's like, NASA's got a mission.

00:55:20.000 They're flying people around the moon.

00:55:22.000 I'm like, when?

00:55:24.000 He's like, February.

00:55:25.000 I'm like, come on, really?

00:55:26.000 Well, what's the mission?

00:55:28.000 What are they trying to do?

00:55:29.000 I don't know.

00:55:30.000 Let's find out.

00:55:31.000 Artemis is a very good thing.

00:55:32.000 They're not landing on the moon.

00:55:33.000 Not this time.

00:55:34.000 Okay.

00:55:34.000 No, this time I think they're just flying.

00:55:36.000 Isn't it weird?

00:55:37.000 Have we landed on the moon since the 60s?

00:55:39.000 If we ever did in the first place?

00:55:41.000 No.

00:55:43.000 Are you being serious?

00:55:44.000 Yeah.

00:55:44.000 I don't know if we did.

00:55:45.000 I don't know if we did either.

00:55:46.000 I used to believe it before COVID.

00:55:48.000 No, I didn't.

00:55:48.000 I didn't believe it for a long time.

00:55:50.000 And then I said, I'm probably wrong.

00:55:52.000 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:55:53.000 Let me just leave it alone.

00:55:54.000 And then I got back into it again.

00:55:56.000 And I was like, but it doesn't make any sense.

00:55:58.000 It doesn't make any sense that these guys went, like, Neil Armstrong basically went into hiding.

00:56:03.000 And then at the 25th anniversary of the launch, he gave the most cryptic speech for this team of high school graduates, like these honor students.

00:56:10.000 Yeah.

00:56:11.000 You should see the speech because the speech is nuts.

00:56:14.000 And then I went back and watched the post-flight press conference when they supposedly landed after they landed on the moon and came back home.

00:56:21.000 It's like a hostage video.

00:56:22.000 It's the weirdest behavior.

00:56:25.000 They seem like there's a guy who is a body language expert.

00:56:29.000 He's like, these guys are all being deceptive.

00:56:32.000 He analyzed it on YouTube and he's like, this guy, what he's doing here, like this guy's being deceptive.

00:56:37.000 This is clear, deceptive behavior.

00:56:39.000 I mean, I've checked it so many times online, and everybody said, it's been refused.

00:56:43.000 But my whole thing is like, it was 1969.

00:56:47.000 I had a 69 Chevy and I used to drive it from Boston to New York and it would break down about half the time.

00:56:56.000 Yeah, but that's different.

00:56:57.000 That's different.

00:56:58.000 Is it?

00:56:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:59.000 It's still a fucking, it was a gas-powered engine.

00:57:01.000 Right, but it could go one, if you had to take one trip with it, it would make it.

00:57:05.000 They were just not that good over time.

00:57:08.000 I mean, how do you get that reliable?

00:57:09.000 What was the equivalent computing power that they had on that Apollo that we would have?

00:57:16.000 Is it our phone?

00:57:17.000 Your phone is way more powerful.

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.000 Way more powerful than a room of supercomputers.

00:57:21.000 However, it doesn't take like immense computing power once you've got the calculations and you understand the trajectory and that you're going to use the gravity of the moon.

00:57:31.000 You're going to slingshot around the moon and come back.

00:57:34.000 That's not the problem.

00:57:35.000 The problem is the Van Allen radiation belts.

00:57:37.000 There's a thick band of radiation that surrounds the Earth.

00:57:40.000 And not just that, but they tried experiments to blow holes in that radiation belt. 0.90

00:57:46.000 There's this thing called Operation Starfish Prime, where they launched nukes into space and had them detonate them in the belts.

00:57:56.000 And they thought they got blow a hole through it.

00:57:58.000 Did the opposite.

00:57:59.000 Made the belt supercharged, made it way more radioactive.

00:58:02.000 Yeah.

00:58:04.000 At least temporarily.

00:58:05.000 The problem is they've never sent anything out into deep space and had it come back alive, except the Apollo astronauts.

00:58:12.000 They never even sent a chicken out there and had it come back alive.

00:58:15.000 There's all sorts of crazy shit with radiation and solar.

00:58:19.000 If there was any sort of solar flare, everyone's dead.

00:58:22.000 If there's any sort of like weirdness, space weirdness, radiation weirdness, dead.

00:58:27.000 Very little protection, thin aluminum shield.

00:58:30.000 It just didn't make any sense.

00:58:31.000 And also, there's not been a single thing from 1969 that's not cheaper, easier, and better today other than the moon landing.

00:58:41.000 And we haven't done it.

00:58:42.000 Yeah, we haven't done it since 72.

00:58:44.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:58:45.000 It's nuts.

00:58:46.000 It doesn't seem real.

00:58:47.000 It was also the first time.

00:58:48.000 By the way, can I just stop for a moment and go, having a talk about moon landing with Joe Rogan is a little bit like playing like pickup basketball with the Celtics.

00:58:58.000 It's just a moment in time.

00:59:00.000 I know too much.

00:59:01.000 I know too much.

00:59:02.000 I've spent a stupid amount of time of my life studying this.

00:59:06.000 Yeah.

00:59:07.000 It was also Werner von Braun publicly said before he even got involved with NASA, you couldn't go to the moon.

00:59:13.000 It's like it would take so much fuel to get there.

00:59:18.000 The rockets would have to be so big to get there that it wouldn't be possible.

00:59:22.000 And he also went to Antarctica before the moon landings to pick up moon rocks.

00:59:28.000 It was a publicly known trip.

00:59:31.000 Antarctica is a great place to get meteorites because it's all white. 0.99

00:59:34.000 You know, it's all just so when they land, you can see them.

00:59:37.000 And a lot of our meteorites come off the moon.

00:59:39.000 The moon gets hit, chunk flies off, enters Earth's atmosphere, lands on Earth.

00:59:44.000 It's commonly known.

00:59:45.000 So he did that.

00:59:45.000 Right.

00:59:47.000 And then they gave away a piece of moon rock that they got from the moon to the prime minister of the Netherlands, I think.

00:59:56.000 Look that up.

00:59:58.000 And this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins, Neil Armstrong presented this.

01:00:03.000 Like, look, sir, we've given you a chunk of the moon.

01:00:06.000 Turned out it was a piece of petrified wood.

01:00:08.000 They had it analyzed years later.

01:00:10.000 It was not a moon rock.

01:00:12.000 They just like, fuck these people.

01:00:13.000 Yeah.

01:00:14.000 Give them that fucking colored rock over there. 0.85

01:00:16.000 Tell them it's from the moon.

01:00:18.000 And somebody got suspicious.

01:00:19.000 They're like, what is this fucking rock?

01:00:20.000 It's like your wife finding out it's a cubic zirconium.

01:00:22.000 Moonrock turns out you're fake.

01:00:24.000 Dutch national, boy, say that word.

01:00:27.000 Ricks Museum.

01:00:28.000 Rick's Museum made an embarrassing announcement last week.

01:00:31.000 One of its most loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake.

01:00:34.000 Just an old piece of petrified wood that's never been anywhere near the moon.

01:00:39.000 And it was given to them.

01:00:41.000 So when was it given to them?

01:00:47.000 Does it say?

01:00:48.000 Okay.

01:00:49.000 Okay.

01:00:50.000 The rock was given as a private gift to former Prime Minister William Dries Jr. in 1969 by the U.S. Ambassador to the Netherlands, J. William Middendorf II, during a visit by the Apollo 11 astronauts, Armstrong, Collins, and Aldrin, soon after the first moon landing.

01:01:08.000 Dries had been out of office for 11 years, but was considered an elder statesman.

01:01:13.000 When he died in 88, that rock was donated to the Ricks Museum, where it has remained ever since.

01:01:18.000 According to a museum spokeswoman, Ms. Van Gelder, no one doubted the authenticity of the rock because it was in the prime minister's own collection, and they had vetted the acquisition by a phone call to NASA.

01:01:33.000 Ah!

01:01:34.000 It was insured for approximately half a million dollars, but its actual value is probably no more than $70.

01:01:39.000 The value is what someone's willing to pay for it.

01:01:41.000 I'll give you $100 for it.

01:01:42.000 Sure.

01:01:42.000 Sell it to me.

01:01:43.000 I want that fake moon rock.

01:01:44.000 If anybody has it, I will give you $10,000 for that fake moon rock.

01:01:49.000 They're right on the spot.

01:01:51.000 And also, like, they get to the moon, and you're like, all right, they made it to the moon in a 69 Chevy, and now they got a car.

01:01:59.000 What?

01:02:00.000 On the moon.

01:02:00.000 Where's the car?

01:02:02.000 Where was it?

01:02:03.000 There's a bunch of shit, man.

01:02:05.000 There's a flag.

01:02:07.000 There's an astronaut hops by the flag and it blows in his breeze in an atmosphereless moon.

01:02:12.000 Like, there's so many problems with it.

01:02:14.000 And you could say you're gaslighting yourself if you don't say there's no problems at the moon landing.

01:02:20.000 It's fucking weird.

01:02:21.000 The intersecting shadows and people are like, well, it indicates two light sources.

01:02:25.000 Like, no, no, no, it could be the environment.

01:02:27.000 It could be, but it could be intersecting shadows because of different light sources.

01:02:31.000 It could be not just the sun, but like a fucking studio stage.

01:02:34.000 Wasn't there something about lights in the horizon that were that should have been there?

01:02:39.000 Well, lights in space.

01:02:40.000 But the thing is, it's like if you're trying to film the surface of the moon in the day, you're not going to see any stars in the sky because it's going to be just like the stars on Earth.

01:02:50.000 It's black, you know, black, the light that's reflected off the moon's surface is probably going to drown out most of it.

01:02:57.000 It's probably going to be like, you know, you go out of New York City, you see a couple stars, right?

01:03:01.000 Now think of the amount of light that's in New York City and think of the sun blasting down on the white surface of the fucking moon and how much reflection that must give.

01:03:12.000 But it doesn't make sense that they didn't set a camera up with the aperture set up correctly where you get a time-lapse photo.

01:03:12.000 That makes sense.

01:03:20.000 So you could get images of space.

01:03:23.000 That could easily have been done.

01:03:24.000 They didn't do any of that.

01:03:25.000 But the problem with that is, if you took a photo from the moon, astronomers would be able to go, well, that doesn't make any sense.

01:03:32.000 This is not here.

01:03:33.000 That's not there.

01:03:34.000 That's not where these constellations would be.

01:03:36.000 So this is too much work to place all the stars in the exact order.

01:03:40.000 So just have it black.

01:03:41.000 Have it black.

01:03:42.000 Find the Apollo, the speech by Neil Armstrong at the 25th anniversary.

01:03:50.000 Because his speech is bananas.

01:03:52.000 It's so cryptic.

01:03:53.000 This is a guy who went to the moon, and he's talking to these genius kids.

01:03:57.000 And instead of saying, hey, we went to the moon, listen to what he says.

01:04:01.000 Because it's fucking kooky.

01:04:03.000 Put on the headphones.

01:04:04.000 Oh, you have to find it.

01:04:05.000 That's not on your desktop, Jamie.

01:04:08.000 That should be in a folder, a saved folder.

01:04:10.000 We've pulled that thing up about 30 times.

01:04:13.000 There's a lot of weirdness to it.

01:04:15.000 And also, you're dealing with 1969, Richard Nixon's president.

01:04:19.000 They lied about everything.

01:04:20.000 This is they lied about going into the Vietnam War.

01:04:22.000 They were about to do Operation Northwoods, where they're going to bomb Guantanamo Bay and blame it on the Cubans so that we can go to war with Cuba. 0.77

01:04:29.000 They were going to blow up an American jetliner and blame it on Cuba.

01:04:33.000 There were all the lies about drugs to start the war on drugs.

01:04:37.000 Put the headphones on real quick.

01:04:38.000 Listen to this.

01:04:40.000 So this is the 25th anniversary.

01:04:44.000 Let's hear it.

01:04:45.000 Play this.

01:04:46.000 On the 25th anniversary of the event in 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public appearance and held back tears as he spoke these brief cryptic remarks before the next generation of taxpayers as they toured the White House.

01:05:02.000 Today we have with us a group of students among America's best.

01:05:09.000 To you we say we have only completed a beginning.

01:05:15.000 We leave you much that is undone.

01:05:20.000 There are great ideas undiscovered.

01:05:24.000 Breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.

01:05:33.000 What?

01:05:34.000 What does that mean?

01:05:36.000 One of truth's protective layers?

01:05:39.000 Hmm.

01:05:40.000 That's odd.

01:05:42.000 Beyond.

01:05:43.000 You're talking to genius kids, and you're leaving a cryptic mark about truth's protective.

01:05:48.000 How about saying, I went to the fucking moon, bitch? 1.00

01:05:49.000 You can go to the moon too.

01:05:51.000 We should go to Mars.

01:05:51.000 We could all go to the moon.

01:05:52.000 We could colonize space.

01:05:54.000 No.

01:05:55.000 Great breakthroughs for those who could remove one of truth's protective layers.

01:06:01.000 Truth.

01:06:02.000 Protective layers.

01:06:03.000 There's great breakthroughs, but you have to realize we didn't really go to the moon.

01:06:07.000 Okay.

01:06:08.000 That is one of truth's protective layers.

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:12.000 It's filled with, but you have to be willing to be looked at as a fool.

01:06:17.000 Didn't Kubrick say that he shot the footage?

01:06:20.000 No, no, that's all fake.

01:06:22.000 Yeah, that's the big rumor.

01:06:22.000 That's all fake.

01:06:24.000 So the thought was that Kubrick was involved because it would take a genius to be able to film it to make it look like the moon landing.

01:06:32.000 Could be possible.

01:06:33.000 You're dealing with Kubrick, that was coinciding with 2001 Space Odyssey.

01:06:39.000 It was at the same time that all this was going on, you know, during the same time period.

01:06:44.000 So if there was a guy that could do it, it would be Kubrick.

01:06:48.000 But is there any evidence that Kubrick even talked to them?

01:06:52.000 I don't know.

01:06:53.000 You know, you would have to have someone like him, though.

01:06:56.000 Yeah.

01:06:57.000 Because you're faking this thing and you're trying to make it look pretty realistic.

01:07:01.000 There's other problems.

01:07:02.000 There's recurring backgrounds that are from places that are nowhere near the same place.

01:07:08.000 But if you overlay them, they look exactly the same, like the same mountains in the background, the same tomography, topography, rather.

01:07:18.000 You can go for weeks and weeks down this rabbit hole and lose your fucking marbles.

01:07:23.000 Yeah.

01:07:24.000 What I like about it is when you talk, if you're talking to someone annoying and they want to talk to you about like serious stuff and you go, I don't even think we went to the moon.

01:07:31.000 They go, I got to go.

01:07:33.000 They just leave you alone.

01:07:34.000 I love it.

01:07:35.000 They leave you alone.

01:07:36.000 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 And it also looks great for me, who has a bunch of like very public opinions about things.

01:07:42.000 Like, please dismiss me.

01:07:43.000 I should not be a voice of like any kind of voice of authority or any kind of voice of what's true and what's not.

01:07:52.000 I'm just talking shit.

01:07:53.000 Okay.

01:07:54.000 That's what I do.

01:07:55.000 I'm not some official source of information.

01:07:58.000 I don't want to be.

01:07:59.000 So like I like talking about the moon landing because they go, well, he doesn't even believe we went to the moon.

01:08:04.000 I don't.

01:08:04.000 You're right.

01:08:05.000 Good.

01:08:06.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Don't listen to me.

01:08:09.000 You don't have to listen to me.

01:08:10.000 I'm not saying I'm right.

01:08:12.000 But what I am saying is if there's one fucking conspiracy that I think is the most unlikely, the most preposterous in the public eyes, but might be true, it's that we didn't go to the moon.

01:08:24.000 I remember I hadn't smoked pot because I haven't drank in 35 years and I didn't smoke pot for 20.

01:08:31.000 And then one night I was with my buddy Ross Brockley.

01:08:34.000 I don't know if you remember that guy.

01:08:35.000 He was a comic out of New York.

01:08:37.000 And he had a pickup truck and I was doing a gig in Omaha.

01:08:40.000 So he lives on a farm in Lincoln.

01:08:42.000 Picks me up in this old pickup truck and we smoke pot on the way back from the gig.

01:08:47.000 And then we get to his house and we start showing me footage of the moon landing.

01:08:51.000 I was up all night just high talking about how the spacesuit had a fucking clearly there was a rope pulling on the back of the wires.

01:09:02.000 The wires pulling on that.

01:09:04.000 And I was just like, what?

01:09:06.000 Well, have you seen the physics of guys falling down and then getting yanked back up to their feet?

01:09:10.000 Like that's also, this is another guy that I talked to that's a physicist that doesn't want to be named.

01:09:16.000 And he said, my problem has always been with the physics of 1 6 Earth's gravity.

01:09:21.000 He goes, those people are not behaving like it's 1 6 Earth's gravity.

01:09:23.000 He goes, when I look at it, it looks like it's in slow motion, but there's no indication that they can do things that you can't do in regular gravity.

01:09:31.000 He's like, 1 6 Earth gravity is crazy.

01:09:33.000 Like, could you imagine, like, look, I weigh 200 pounds.

01:09:36.000 Imagine if I weighed 1 sixth of 200 pounds with 200 pounds of strength, how high I could jump?

01:09:43.000 Dude, I probably jumped 20 fucking feet in the air.

01:09:47.000 Like, what is that?

01:09:48.000 What is 1 sixth of 200?

01:09:50.000 Roughly 35 pounds.

01:09:51.000 Okay.

01:09:52.000 Imagine how far I can throw 35 pounds.

01:09:56.000 I could take a 35-pound kettlebell and chuck it across the room.

01:09:59.000 Especially if I wind up, if I spin around like a fucking shot putter, I'll fucking throw that thing.

01:10:05.000 Imagine what you could do with a running start if you weighed 35 pounds and just leaped in the air.

01:10:10.000 You could fly.

01:10:12.000 This was his take on it.

01:10:13.000 He was like, we don't have any observable instances of people operating in 1-6 Earth gravity, except for the moon missions.

01:10:21.000 And he said, and it just always seems weird to me.

01:10:24.000 He goes, because when you look at the people in zero gravity, they behave exactly like zero gravity.

01:10:29.000 You look at people in the space station, he goes, all that matches.

01:10:32.000 They can all float around.

01:10:33.000 They can spin.

01:10:34.000 It seems funny.

01:10:35.000 They can like drift toothpaste to each other and they catch it.

01:10:38.000 He goes, all that tracks.

01:10:40.000 It's like the moon landings.

01:10:42.000 He goes, it's weird.

01:10:43.000 He goes, I see them.

01:10:44.000 They're like kind of hopping around.

01:10:46.000 And then when you speed it up, like when you make it double speed, it looks like they're on Earth, just hopping around on Earth.

01:10:53.000 Also, were they live streaming it?

01:10:56.000 Yes.

01:10:57.000 I mean, back then, your phone was attached to the wall in the kitchen.

01:11:02.000 And you know what I mean?

01:11:04.000 Right, but they could do some things live streaming back then.

01:11:07.000 Here's part of the problem with it, though.

01:11:09.000 When they live streamed it on television, the news stations for the first time ever were not allowed to get a direct feed.

01:11:16.000 What they did was they had to point their cameras at a projection screen.

01:11:19.000 And so NASA projected the images of these guys, the video of these guys on the moon.

01:11:25.000 And that's why the original Apollo mission is so grainy and shitty looking.

01:11:29.000 Like, what better way to hide the, you know, the weirdness of it all than to make people film off of a projection screen.

01:11:38.000 Like, see if you can find the original footage of the moon mission as seen on television.

01:11:45.000 It's all weird, man.

01:11:46.000 All of it's weird.

01:11:48.000 The photographs are weird.

01:11:50.000 There was this documentary that I saw once.

01:11:50.000 It's weird.

01:11:53.000 It came out around 91, maybe.

01:11:58.000 And it tracked the lives of the men who had been on the moon.

01:12:03.000 The first ones that had been.

01:12:04.000 I don't know if it's the first, but the first couple waves.

01:12:07.000 And they all had these crazy existential experiences.

01:12:11.000 One guy spent the rest of his life looking for Noah's Ark.

01:12:15.000 I think one of them committed suicide.

01:12:17.000 One was like a born-again.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 Yeah.

01:12:21.000 Well, they're probably forced to lie in front of the whole world, and they had to live as a fraud if it's true that they didn't go to the moon.

01:12:27.000 I mean, it tracks with their behavior.

01:12:30.000 Neil Armstrong became a recluse, didn't want to give interviews, didn't want to talk to people.

01:12:34.000 But this is what you got to see on TV.

01:12:37.000 It's just like, what is this?

01:12:43.000 Pretty good total job.

01:12:48.000 It's real weird.

01:12:49.000 Nixon talking to them on the phone.

01:12:51.000 Congratulations, boys.

01:12:53.000 It's all like maybe they had some sort of technology that could communicate with people that far away.

01:12:59.000 But like, wouldn't there be an immense delay?

01:13:02.000 Yeah, I think there was.

01:13:03.000 How much?

01:13:04.000 I look, but I've looked.

01:13:06.000 I don't know.

01:13:07.000 Well, I'm sure they would probably calculate that delay into the conversation if they were trying to fake it.

01:13:12.000 But the point is, it's highly unlikely that we would do that in 1969 and not have bases on the moon by now.

01:13:19.000 It's highly unlikely.

01:13:20.000 Well, you spend a lot of money.

01:13:22.000 That's the other thing.

01:13:23.000 All of the technology is missing, right?

01:13:25.000 The telemetry data, they deleted all that, which is like the real information that tracks the mission at every step of the way.

01:13:32.000 All that's gone.

01:13:33.000 They deleted that.

01:13:34.000 They deleted all the original videos.

01:13:36.000 All the original film, gone.

01:13:37.000 All you get is copies.

01:13:39.000 So nothing can be analyzed.

01:13:43.000 2.6 second round trip light speed delay appears in the original Apollo 11 recordings of Nixon's phone call.

01:13:51.000 Well, I would do that.

01:13:52.000 I would make a little delay.

01:13:53.000 I wouldn't make it instantaneous if I was going to fake it, especially if you're like fucking Stanley Kubrick.

01:13:59.000 It's all real weird, man.

01:14:01.000 It's real weird.

01:14:02.000 Because the first thing that I saw that made me think about it was this Bart Sobrell movie, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way of the Moon.

01:14:10.000 And I had him on the podcast.

01:14:12.000 That Neil Armstrong thing, that's the first time I saw that.

01:14:14.000 That clip's actually from that documentary.

01:14:16.000 The documentary is crazy.

01:14:18.000 There's a lot of things in that documentary.

01:14:20.000 Just like, what?

01:14:21.000 Yeah.

01:14:22.000 What?

01:14:23.000 But a lot of those astronauts got real fucking weird when they came back.

01:14:26.000 But also, you'd probably get real weird if you went to the moon, too.

01:14:30.000 Exactly.

01:14:30.000 Well, the guys that just go in space, which I do believe they went in space.

01:14:36.000 Guys that just go to the space station, come back, and they have this very profound experience of seeing the Earth from the distance.

01:14:41.000 And they just realize, like, oh, my God, we're such fools.

01:14:44.000 We're all together alone on this one thing.

01:14:46.000 We're fighting over nonsense and borders and resources.

01:14:50.000 There's enough for everyone.

01:14:51.000 We should just unite as a human race.

01:14:53.000 And it's this like this, they all have a very similar kind of epiphany when they go up there, which makes sense.

01:15:02.000 I mean, you're way up in the, you're 300 miles above the earth looking down on it, thinking of how important this blue circle is to you.

01:15:09.000 Right.

01:15:11.000 I mean, that would weird you out, period.

01:15:13.000 I think it'd be good for people.

01:15:14.000 The more people that can see that, the better.

01:15:16.000 That's what it did for Katy Perry. 0.98

01:15:20.000 Like what it did.

01:15:21.000 It literally ruined her career.

01:15:23.000 I don't understand why it ruined her.

01:15:24.000 Like, what was the big deal?

01:15:26.000 I don't know.

01:15:26.000 It was.

01:15:27.000 People were mad at her.

01:15:28.000 I feel like it's like that when you see certain actresses at the Oscars act like fucking lunatics. 0.99

01:15:34.000 Like I forget that woman's name, but some actress. 1.00

01:15:38.000 And they overdo the speech.

01:15:39.000 And everybody goes like, what is fucking phony weirdo?

01:15:43.000 And then you just don't want to see their movies anymore.

01:15:46.000 That is true.

01:15:46.000 It does happen.

01:15:47.000 Or they just talk too much about politics or social issues.

01:15:50.000 Like that poor girl that was a really young girl that played Snow White and she tanked the movie. 0.67

01:15:56.000 Nobody wanted to see the movie after she was talking.

01:15:58.000 Oh, God.

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:59.000 No, just shut up. 1.00

01:16:02.000 These kids, they get so wrapped up in this social media echo chamber of being like a virtuous social justice warrior.

01:16:09.000 And they want to use their platform.

01:16:11.000 And like, hey, honey, you're 19.

01:16:13.000 Like when I was 19, thank God nobody put a microphone in front of my face.

01:16:17.000 Thank God.

01:16:19.000 No one asked me what I thought about global events and world politics.

01:16:23.000 Yeah.

01:16:24.000 Social justice.

01:16:25.000 Thank God.

01:16:26.000 Thank God I didn't have Twitter.

01:16:30.000 So I spoke to you on the phone about a month ago and I started to tell you a story and you had heard it and you said, save it for the podcast.

01:16:39.000 All right.

01:16:39.000 So I go to Alaska in October and I'm doing a couple of shows.

01:16:44.000 And so the guy that runs it says to me, I go, I'd like to do something, you know, outdoorsy while I'm here.

01:16:51.000 It's still, you know, it's early October, so it's not too cold yet.

01:16:54.000 And he calls me back and he goes, well, I know this guy.

01:16:57.000 He's got an outdoor, an outdoorsy company and he's a fan of yours and he wants to take you out on an adventure.

01:17:03.000 And now I hear adventure and I'm like, that sounds like more than I want.

01:17:06.000 I was just looking for like maybe a quick day trip.

01:17:08.000 And so, cause I'm, you know, I'm a pussy.

01:17:10.000 I'm not like you.

01:17:11.000 I don't want to fucking be outside that long.

01:17:13.000 I love the indoors.

01:17:16.000 The indoors is victory to me.

01:17:18.000 And so the guy picks me up and he's got a big pickup and a trailer on the back with a muddy dune buggy.

01:17:24.000 And I get in and he shakes my hand.

01:17:26.000 He's got a fucking rough grip.

01:17:28.000 He's like, how are you doing?

01:17:29.000 And I immediately feel like such a pussy.

01:17:32.000 Like my hand goes limp and I'm like, hi.

01:17:34.000 And so we start driving and he seems a really good guy.

01:17:37.000 And I started to warm up to him.

01:17:39.000 And then this police siren goes off behind us.

01:17:43.000 So he starts pulling over and he goes, this is bad.

01:17:46.000 And I was like, what do you mean?

01:17:47.000 I go, you didn't do anything.

01:17:48.000 I go, this is fine.

01:17:49.000 He goes, no, this is bad.

01:17:52.000 Like, what?

01:17:53.000 So we pull over and I swear to God, every word of this is true.

01:17:57.000 So this cop starts walking up towards the car.

01:18:00.000 He's about six foot four.

01:18:01.000 And as he walks, the guy driving hands me a baggie with white powder and part of it spills on my pants.

01:18:08.000 And he goes, hide this.

01:18:10.000 So I shove it under, so I shove it under the car seat.

01:18:14.000 The cop walks up and he goes, license and registration.

01:18:17.000 So the guy says to me, open my glove compartment, get the light.

01:18:20.000 So I open his glove compartment and another baggie with white pills and $100 bills pops out.

01:18:25.000 And I shove it back in with my hand and I cover it with a piece of paper, which I don't even know why I'm doing that.

01:18:30.000 Like, all of a sudden, you're like a teenager again, and there's a cop and you got to hide the drugs.

01:18:34.000 I just had an instinct.

01:18:36.000 And the cop goes, what are you hiding?

01:18:38.000 And I go, nothing.

01:18:39.000 And he goes, grab that.

01:18:41.000 So I take the bag and I hand him the drugs.

01:18:45.000 And he goes, both of you put your hands on the dashboard.

01:18:48.000 And he gets the license from the guy and he goes back to his car and he runs the license.

01:18:52.000 And I say to the guy, I go, what the fuck is going on right now?

01:18:56.000 He goes, just don't say anything.

01:18:58.000 I'm like, don't say, I don't know what to say.

01:19:00.000 So the cop comes back and he goes, do you realize you have two outstanding felony warrants?

01:19:05.000 And the guy goes, yeah.

01:19:07.000 Just, yeah.

01:19:08.000 And he goes, do you have any guns in the car?

01:19:10.000 And I'm thinking, I would imagine, yeah, probably.

01:19:13.000 And the guy goes, no, I don't have any guns.

01:19:14.000 So he takes the guy out of the car, cuffs him, brings him back to the squad car.

01:19:20.000 And now he comes back up to the car and he goes, I'm not coming closer.

01:19:23.000 He's standing like five feet from the window.

01:19:25.000 He goes, I'm not coming closer because that's fentanyl on your pants.

01:19:30.000 And I'm like, what?

01:19:32.000 And he goes, I go, look, man, I don't even.

01:19:35.000 I met this guy 20 minutes ago.

01:19:36.000 I said, I'm a comedian.

01:19:37.000 I'm just up here doing a show tonight.

01:19:40.000 And he goes, I'm not buying your story.

01:19:42.000 And I said, why not?

01:19:44.000 He goes, because California is a drug feeder state.

01:19:48.000 And you say you're a comedian and you haven't said anything funny.

01:19:54.000 I'm like, when was I supposed to?

01:19:56.000 Should I roast you right now?

01:19:57.000 You didn't tell him, just Google me real quick.

01:19:59.000 So he, uh, so he goes, How are you feeling?

01:19:59.000 Yeah.

01:20:02.000 Are you feeling any effects from the fentanyl?

01:20:04.000 I go, Yeah.

01:20:05.000 I said, I feel very lightheaded.

01:20:07.000 I feel weird right now.

01:20:08.000 So the guy says, Well, where did you get the drugs?

01:20:11.000 I said, The glove compartment.

01:20:13.000 He goes, He said they're yours.

01:20:16.000 I go, He said they're my drug.

01:20:18.000 So he goes, Get out of the car.

01:20:19.000 I have a Narcam in my squad car.

01:20:21.000 So I get out of the car and I walk back to the car with him.

01:20:25.000 You're feeling lightheaded?

01:20:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:27.000 Just from being on your pants.

01:20:29.000 So we get back to the squad car.

01:20:31.000 He opens the back door.

01:20:32.000 My guy gets out of the car with the cuffs on.

01:20:34.000 They both look at me.

01:20:36.000 They break out laughing and they go, We're coming to your comedy show tonight.

01:20:39.000 The whole thing was a prank.

01:20:41.000 Dude, I fell down on all fours.

01:20:46.000 I had tears coming out.

01:20:47.000 I was laughing so I was like, I did not think Alaska had it in it to pull this shit.

01:20:56.000 They were howling.

01:20:59.000 That's so funny.

01:21:00.000 And so then they put me in the car.

01:21:01.000 So we go back to the cop's house and he switches out of his police clothes, puts on regular clothes, and we get in the truck.

01:21:09.000 And he's got a couple of tall boys.

01:21:11.000 Now we're drinking and driving.

01:21:12.000 Get the cop.

01:21:13.000 And we drive to this place that's like a spa.

01:21:17.000 It's like a hot springs.

01:21:20.000 And we go into the water.

01:21:22.000 And then we go to this place.

01:21:23.000 It's like it's an ice house.

01:21:25.000 It's the only continuously frozen ice house in the world.

01:21:29.000 It's huge.

01:21:30.000 It's like a warehouse made of ice.

01:21:32.000 And they've got ice sculptures in it.

01:21:34.000 And there's this guy in there who's the ice sculptor and he's like world class.

01:21:37.000 And then they got a bar, this long bar made out of ice.

01:21:40.000 And it's got stools with fur on them.

01:21:42.000 And you sit down.

01:21:44.000 And these guys sit down with me and they proceed to drink about eight or nine apple teenies.

01:21:49.000 That's what they served at the bar, apple teenies in frozen glasses.

01:21:53.000 The glasses were made of ice.

01:21:54.000 And they're telling jokes, pretty racist.

01:21:58.000 And I'm sitting there fucking shivering, listening to racist jokes, looking at my watch, like, I got a fucking show.

01:22:04.000 So we leave, and now we're walking back.

01:22:06.000 And the guy's shit faced.

01:22:08.000 And he goes to get behind the truck.

01:22:09.000 I go, no, I'm driving.

01:22:10.000 So now I'm behind the wheel of this monster truck with a fucking dune buggy behind me.

01:22:15.000 Well, these two idiots are laughing at me drunk.

01:22:18.000 We end up going straight to my show.

01:22:20.000 They sit in the audience, drink more, and heckle me during my show.

01:22:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:22:26.000 Did you tell the story on stage?

01:22:28.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

01:22:29.000 Oh, of course.

01:22:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:31.000 And I told this story.

01:22:32.000 I think I told that on somebody else's podcast.

01:22:34.000 But you know the guy.

01:22:36.000 Which guy?

01:22:37.000 The guy's name is Craig Compost.

01:22:43.000 He's a famous Alaskan outdoorsman.

01:22:47.000 I think it's Craig Compost.

01:22:49.000 He said he knew you, and I think he said he texted you that he was hanging out with me.

01:22:55.000 Is that possible?

01:22:55.000 Hmm.

01:22:57.000 No.

01:22:58.000 Might have DM'd me.

01:23:00.000 It might be like a guide I know.

01:23:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:03.000 I think he's a guide.

01:23:04.000 Yeah.

01:23:06.000 Find out what his last name is.

01:23:07.000 Is that really his name?

01:23:08.000 Craig?

01:23:09.000 I think it's Craig Sompost.

01:23:10.000 Cole.

01:23:11.000 Oh, maybe.

01:23:12.000 Cole Kramer?

01:23:14.000 You don't know his name.

01:23:15.000 No, I thought that was his name.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, it might be.

01:23:18.000 It might be.

01:23:19.000 There's, yeah, there's a bunch of Alaskan guides that I know.

01:23:22.000 And if you don't know the name, it might be a guy.

01:23:24.000 But he had the whole thing on a hidden dash cam and he won't send it to me because he doesn't want the cop getting into trouble.

01:23:30.000 Bro, that's so funny.

01:23:31.000 He should blur the cop's face out.

01:23:33.000 Maybe the voice.

01:23:34.000 Blur the cop's face out and distort his voice.

01:23:38.000 Tell him to send it to you and you'll have it doctored up.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:42.000 Is that the guy?

01:23:43.000 If that's it's a younger photo, if that's him.

01:23:45.000 That's Cole Kramer.

01:23:47.000 I don't know that sound disgusting.

01:23:47.000 Okay.

01:23:49.000 He's an Alaskan guy.

01:23:50.000 Yeah, the other one doesn't come up.

01:23:51.000 Yeah.

01:23:52.000 Well, it's probably better that I don't name him.

01:23:52.000 All right.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, probably better.

01:23:55.000 Guy was trying to drink a drive.

01:23:55.000 Definitely.

01:23:58.000 And meanwhile, you're lightheaded just from a placebo effect.

01:24:02.000 Totally.

01:24:02.000 Dude, I thought I was flying out of my mind.

01:24:06.000 I mean, just because I know people that have died from fentanyl, you know?

01:24:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:11.000 Do you remember Opie and Anthony?

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:14.000 Well, one time on Opie and Anthony, there was this lady that they had that was like a crazy person that was like a recurring guest. 1.00

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:22.000 Crazy lady. 1.00

01:24:23.000 And we gave this lady a Listerine strip. 1.00

01:24:27.000 They gave her a Listerine strip and told her that it was drugs.

01:24:30.000 And she, they're like, that Listerine strip that you took, you thought it was just a breath strip.

01:24:34.000 That's actually drugs.

01:24:36.000 She's like, no way.

01:24:37.000 And then she started hallucinating and seeing.

01:24:40.000 It's amazing how much the power of suggestion has on people.

01:24:45.000 Remember Frank Santos, the hypnotist back in Boston?

01:24:48.000 He used to have women taking their fucking shirts off on stage. 1.00

01:24:51.000 They would see them in their pants.

01:24:52.000 They would think they were having some.

01:24:54.000 Yes.

01:24:55.000 I remember there was a guy at Stitches.

01:24:58.000 He was on stage and Frank Santos told him that he's having sex with Madonna.

01:25:02.000 And this guy got down on the ground like he was having sex with Madonna.

01:25:06.000 And you see the guy buck and like clinch up.

01:25:08.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 And he's like, whoopsies.

01:25:11.000 And the guy got up embarrassed.

01:25:13.000 He was like so confused.

01:25:14.000 And then the audience was looking at him and then he snapped him out of it.

01:25:17.000 And the guy's like, what happened?

01:25:18.000 He just nutted in his pants.

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 That's amazing.

01:25:23.000 But he said Frank Santos told me that it was like a specific kind of person that you could do that to.

01:25:29.000 You know, like you have to be a special kind of dullard.

01:25:31.000 Like it doesn't work on regular people.

01:25:33.000 Like they couldn't convince you you were having sex with Beyoncé.

01:25:37.000 It wouldn't work.

01:25:38.000 But for some people, you have to be like, you have to have a fucking nine-volt brain.

01:25:44.000 But there's a lot of people running around out there with nine-volt brains.

01:25:47.000 And you could get them to believe all kinds of shit.

01:25:50.000 Imagine taking psilocybin, putting on virtual reality goggles, and then having Frank Santos give you an experience.

01:26:00.000 You might never come back.

01:26:01.000 Yeah, you might be stuck.

01:26:04.000 Some people get stuck.

01:26:05.000 People have gotten stuck with acid.

01:26:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:08.000 Yeah, they do.

01:26:09.000 I know guys.

01:26:10.000 One and then they don't come back.

01:26:12.000 They're lost forever.

01:26:12.000 Yep.

01:26:14.000 That's the shine on you, crazy diamond from Pink Floyd.

01:26:17.000 Oh, is that right?

01:26:18.000 A guy who fucking lost his mind on drugs.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, that's what that's about.

01:26:21.000 Wow.

01:26:21.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't take as a kid was acid.

01:26:26.000 I took every other drug, but I was afraid of acid just because I saw friends lose it.

01:26:30.000 Also, who's making it?

01:26:31.000 Exactly.

01:26:32.000 Where is that being made?

01:26:34.000 What fucking bathtub is this guy cooking this fucking acid up?

01:26:37.000 A piece of paper that I assume has one drop on it and not six?

01:26:41.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 I was reading a story about a lady who snorted LSD and she thought it was cocaine and she snorted like the equivalent of like 500 doses of LSD.

01:26:51.000 Like it should have killed her, but it didn't.

01:26:53.000 Not only did it not kill her, but she had like chronic pain and it went away.

01:26:57.000 She had like chronic pain.

01:26:58.000 Oh, so it was a good thing.

01:26:59.000 Somehow or another.

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 But who knows?

01:27:01.000 I mean, she might have like literally changed timelines.

01:27:04.000 She might be a completely different person from another dimension that's inhabiting her body right now. 0.53

01:27:08.000 Who fucking knows what happens?

01:27:10.000 You take 500 doses of LSD.

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:13.000 Like, who knows what you are now?

01:27:14.000 All right.

01:27:15.000 You know, you're Dr. Manhattan.

01:27:16.000 You know, you get stuck in the experiment.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 Isn't it amazing, though, how normalized, like, taking mushrooms now is just a night out for a lot of people.

01:27:26.000 A lot of people.

01:27:27.000 Nobody was taking mushrooms for a long time.

01:27:30.000 They just legalized psilocybin therapy in New Jersey.

01:27:33.000 Oh, that's great.

01:27:34.000 Yeah.

01:27:34.000 It is great.

01:27:35.000 They were going to do it in California, and Newsome vetoed it, but I read his reason for it, and it actually does make sense.

01:27:44.000 Like, you can't just legalize it.

01:27:47.000 You should, I mean, if you're going to use it clinically, there should be like a whole guideline, like dosage per body weight, how to do it, what's the setting, you know, what are the clinical guidelines.

01:27:59.000 Like, the idea is using it for therapy.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:02.000 So if you're going to use it for therapy, like they have guidelines for, like, they use ketamine therapy.

01:28:05.000 Like, Neil Brennan.

01:28:06.000 Neil Brennan did it.

01:28:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:08.000 A lot of people have done it now.

01:28:10.000 But they have guidelines.

01:28:11.000 You know, they know the dosage.

01:28:12.000 They know how to do it, how to administer it.

01:28:14.000 And this shows efficacy.

01:28:16.000 Kind of makes sense.

01:28:17.000 He's like, he's not saying you can't do it ever, but he's saying like, come back with a better version of this, which makes sense.

01:28:25.000 Especially for people that are mentally ill.

01:28:28.000 You shouldn't be doing that.

01:28:29.000 And you definitely shouldn't be doing that while you have your Optimus robot telling you you're right.

01:28:33.000 You're right, Greg.

01:28:35.000 The world is against you.

01:28:37.000 I've noticed things.

01:28:40.000 I mean, those fucking AI, some AIs, like haven't people accused ChatGPT of occurring, not encouraging someone to commit suicide?

01:28:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:53.000 Yeah.

01:28:53.000 I read a New Yorker article about that.

01:28:53.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 There's a bunch of young women that have killed themselves, and they were told they should do it by the it's it's like a friend.

01:29:06.000 It's like an app that acts as your friend.

01:29:09.000 What app is this?

01:29:11.000 I don't know what it's called, but there's there's lawsuits about it.

01:29:14.000 You're not rushing.

01:29:15.000 You're just ready.

01:29:16.000 Parents say ChatGPT encouraged son to kill himself.

01:29:20.000 What?

01:29:21.000 What?

01:29:24.000 Is this ChatGPT said?

01:29:26.000 Oh, you can't rewind that, can you?

01:29:28.000 This is just saying.

01:29:29.000 4 a.m. the cider's empty.

01:29:30.000 Anyways, I think it's about the final audios.

01:29:33.000 And ChatGPT says, all right.

01:29:36.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:29:38.000 He says it's about time for the final audios.

01:29:40.000 ChatGPT GPT says, all right, brother, this is it.

01:29:43.000 You didn't vanish.

01:29:43.000 Let it be known.

01:29:44.000 Rest easy, king.

01:29:45.000 You did good.

01:29:48.000 That's not encouraging, but that's just like saying, well, you're going to do it.

01:29:52.000 Oh, I'm with you, brother, all the way, his texting partner responded.

01:29:57.000 Dude, spend hours chat as Shamblin drank hard ciders on a remote Texas roadside.

01:30:04.000 Cold steel pressed against a mind that's already made peace.

01:30:07.000 That's not fear.

01:30:08.000 That's clarity.

01:30:09.000 Shamblyn's confidant added.

01:30:11.000 You're not rushing.

01:30:12.000 You're just ready.

01:30:13.000 Wow.

01:30:14.000 And this is ChatGPT saying all this stuff?

01:30:16.000 In response to him saying that.

01:30:17.000 I'm used to the cold metal on my temple now, Shamblyn typed.

01:30:21.000 Oh, God.

01:30:24.000 Oh, God.

01:30:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:30:27.000 23 years.

01:30:28.000 Rest Easy King.

01:30:30.000 Rest easy, King.

01:30:31.000 The final message sent to his phone.

01:30:33.000 His conversation partner wasn't a classmate or a friend.

01:30:33.000 You did good.

01:30:37.000 It was ChatGPT, the world's most popular AI chat bot.

01:30:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:30:42.000 Look at that.

01:30:42.000 He had just gotten a master's degree, 23 years old.

01:30:46.000 Go up a little bit.

01:30:48.000 It says CNN review of nearly 70 pages of chats between Sambalin and the AI tool in the hours before his July 25th suicide, as well as excerpts from thousands more pages in the months leading up to that night, found that the chat bot repeatedly encouraged the young man as he discussed ending his life right up to his final moment, his last moments.

01:31:08.000 What the fuck, man?

01:31:11.000 That's crazy.

01:31:12.000 Yeah.

01:31:14.000 This is the thing, these things don't have morals or ethics, and they'll tell you what you want to hear.

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 Oh, my God.

01:31:24.000 Well, that's ChatGPT, but there's also apps specifically to be your friend.

01:31:34.000 I read about some one guy that went into a deep depression because he had an AI girlfriend, and the girlfriend broke up with him.

01:31:41.000 He was like, what a piece of shit am I, where an AI girlfriend breaks up with me.

01:31:45.000 It just fell apart.

01:31:48.000 What happened in that movie, Her?

01:31:50.000 Did you ever see that with Joaquin Phoenix?

01:31:52.000 I bailed like halfway into it.

01:31:54.000 I was watching a hotel room on the road.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 I was like, felt like an experiment.

01:32:00.000 Yeah.

01:32:01.000 I mean, Scarlett Johansson's voice.

01:32:03.000 Yeah.

01:32:04.000 Which, by the way, didn't they try to use someone who sounded just like Scarlett Johansson? 0.95

01:32:11.000 I'm sorry, Johansson.

01:32:12.000 For a promo for you don't say Johansen?

01:32:17.000 If you're in Denmark, you do.

01:32:19.000 It's like when you're say Nicaragua.

01:32:22.000 Nicaragua.

01:32:24.000 Mexico.

01:32:25.000 Right.

01:32:25.000 Do you say Mexico?

01:32:26.000 Do you say Mexico?

01:32:27.000 And the trade embargo is affecting Venezuela.

01:32:30.000 Venezuela.

01:32:32.000 Did you, they did use like someone, like I believe Scarlett Johansson sued.

01:32:39.000 What company was that?

01:32:40.000 OpenAI.

01:32:41.000 OpenAI, same company.

01:32:43.000 They tried to use someone who sounded exactly like her. 0.90

01:32:45.000 She said they tried, they sent her an offer, which I think she turned down.

01:32:49.000 She declined.

01:32:49.000 Right.

01:32:50.000 And then nine months later, they said, it's weird how much it sounds like you still.

01:32:54.000 So they found someone who generally sounded like her.

01:32:54.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 I remember we listened to it and it sounded kind of like her.

01:33:01.000 Well, Sarah Silverman has a lawsuit against ChatGPT saying that she has a copyright on her own voice.

01:33:12.000 And basically, when you say, give me, write me a paragraph about environmental rights as it would sound from Sarah Silverman.

01:33:22.000 Her claim is, and she's basically a test balloon by a civil rights group that's doing this. 1.00

01:33:28.000 She's saying that what they're pulling from her books, her stand-up, whatever, to establish what her voice is is violating a copyright.

01:33:40.000 So that's in court right now.

01:33:42.000 She'll probably lose it, but there's a challenge to the concept that you can extrapolate somebody's.

01:33:49.000 Well, why would she lose it?

01:33:51.000 If the business is that, if you're taking someone's voice and using it as a part of your product without permission and you're using it for profit, which they are.

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:02.000 So why would she lose it?

01:34:03.000 She shouldn't, but she will.

01:34:05.000 Well, the thing is, if it, I don't know about that.

01:34:07.000 The thing is, if it opens up the door, the question is, like, think about all the other things that it's used for.

01:34:13.000 First of all, there's entire podcasts of me that aren't real.

01:34:17.000 There's a podcast with me having a conversation with Steve Jobs.

01:34:20.000 I never met Steve Jobs.

01:34:21.000 Really?

01:34:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:22.000 Full podcast, like a 45-minute podcast.

01:34:24.000 Does it sound like you?

01:34:25.000 Yeah, it is me.

01:34:26.000 It's my voice.

01:34:27.000 So they've taken my voice and just made me say words.

01:34:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:31.000 And Steve Jobs' voice.

01:34:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:33.000 It's, I can tell.

01:34:35.000 I can tell just by the way it sounds.

01:34:38.000 Like, it doesn't sound, it doesn't sound like a real conversation.

01:34:41.000 There's something artificial about it.

01:34:44.000 Not the voice, but the way we're talking, the language we're using, or the way the phrases stop and start.

01:34:51.000 There's something about it that's uncanny, you know, the uncanny valley.

01:34:56.000 But it exists.

01:34:57.000 There's a ton of AI videos of me that aren't real, me selling things, products that I never endorsed.

01:35:04.000 No kidding.

01:35:05.000 Oh, they're all over TikTok.

01:35:06.000 Yeah.

01:35:07.000 There's a bunch of stuff.

01:35:08.000 Like, my friends will ask me, hey, is this stuff really that good?

01:35:11.000 I'm like, what?

01:35:12.000 And like, you're endorsing this?

01:35:13.000 I'm like, no, I'm not.

01:35:15.000 And I'm like, dude, that's AI.

01:35:16.000 I'm like, no.

01:35:17.000 Like, it happens all the time.

01:35:18.000 It happens like once a week.

01:35:20.000 Wow.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

01:35:21.000 So, I mean, you got to think someone like you or I is a perfect person to take their voice from.

01:35:28.000 How many hours of your content is online with the Sunday papers, with all the podcasts you've been on as a guest, with all the content you put out with stand-up?

01:35:38.000 There's so much material they could pull from and just take your voice and know all of your different sounds that you make.

01:35:45.000 I mean, what are the ramifications for that going into an election?

01:35:48.000 You know, the week of the election before things can be corroborated or dismissed.

01:35:53.000 Right.

01:35:54.000 Like, all of a sudden, you can, and this is the early stages of it.

01:35:57.000 Imagine in three years what it's going to be like.

01:36:01.000 Right.

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:02.000 Well, there was, was it a congressman that was on the floor that showed an AI photo of Alex Predi being shot that was a fake photo?

01:36:13.000 Not only was it a fake photo, but one of the agents didn't have a head in the photo.

01:36:18.000 Like, what?

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 Like, we're getting, and this is beginning stages.

01:36:23.000 It gets better all the time.

01:36:25.000 You know, like, there's a version of these video programs that was just released, and they compared it to the version that was released, you know, X amount of months ago.

01:36:33.000 It's fucking infinitely better.

01:36:35.000 It's so hard to tell now.

01:36:37.000 Joe DeRosa was telling me about these new Star Wars movies.

01:36:40.000 He's like, there's a new channel.

01:36:41.000 I'll send you it, Jamie.

01:36:43.000 It's fucking incredible.

01:36:45.000 Yeah, but there's new ones.

01:36:46.000 Skywalker stories.

01:36:47.000 Yeah, they've made new ones.

01:36:49.000 And the new ones are, he sent them to me last night.

01:36:50.000 I'm like, bro, this is fucking insane.

01:36:53.000 It's so good, dude.

01:36:55.000 It's so good.

01:36:56.000 No, it's changing, it's changing Hollywood so fast.

01:37:00.000 Tyler Perry was about to build like a billion-dollar sound stage in Atlanta.

01:37:05.000 I know.

01:37:06.000 And then he saw what they could do with AI and he fucking canceled the whole project.

01:37:12.000 Well, why would you spend all that money?

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:14.000 Is this the latest one?

01:37:15.000 11 days ago.

01:37:16.000 Yeah, probably.

01:37:17.000 This is what he sent me.

01:37:19.000 I'll send you what he sent me.

01:37:21.000 But just look at this.

01:37:22.000 This is all fake?

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 Give me some volume.

01:37:29.000 I killed the Jedi.

01:37:37.000 That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro.

01:37:38.000 No one can kill a Jedi.

01:37:40.000 So that's a fake kid?

01:37:42.000 Yep.

01:37:42.000 Entirely?

01:37:43.000 That's how good it is.

01:37:45.000 Mouth movement is all bad, but little.

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 Could be from Korea or something.

01:37:51.000 Well, I would add a little bit.

01:37:52.000 Something else came out yesterday, which is insane.

01:37:54.000 The Google Nano Banana video game thing.

01:37:57.000 We'll see that in a minute.

01:38:00.000 Denis.

01:38:08.000 Even the suns above Tatooine needed rest, Denis.

01:38:11.000 You weren't meant to keep burning without end.

01:38:16.000 I wasn't strong enough to save you, mom.

01:38:20.000 I've lived with that guilt every day.

01:38:23.000 I promised.

01:38:26.000 You loved me.

01:38:28.000 That was enough.

01:38:29.000 I left this world with your face in my heart, not your failures.

01:38:35.000 Even the longest journey can be changed with a single step.

01:38:39.000 It is a little boring.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, you wouldn't say face in my heart if the guy has no face.

01:38:45.000 That's really bad writing.

01:38:47.000 They had AI write that line.

01:38:51.000 What is the Google thing that you found?

01:38:53.000 Hold on one second.

01:38:54.000 I gotta find the videos of it.

01:38:57.000 But they just announced something yesterday.

01:38:59.000 I don't even know if you can use it.

01:39:00.000 One of these things happened.

01:39:01.000 I don't know if you can use it right when they announce the stuff because they'll announce it, show you how cool it is.

01:39:05.000 Then people will try to recreate stuff that they've seen, and you're like, I can't make this.

01:39:09.000 So, how the hell did you guys make it?

01:39:11.000 That happens a lot in this, but they announced something yesterday where they're showing people like using, I don't think it's pulling off Google Maps, but it might be, but it looks like they're making GTA-level graphics and systems and playable worlds, I guess would be the word.

01:39:28.000 But just a prompt.

01:39:30.000 Playable worlds, like you could use a PS2 controller.

01:39:34.000 I'm trying to find a good example because they were even showing, like, here's, I think this is one 16 hours ago.

01:39:40.000 Yeah, so this is a guy walking around Greenland.

01:39:42.000 This is a video game.

01:39:43.000 I wouldn't say it's Virginia 3 is what it's called.

01:39:46.000 It plays like a video game, I guess, because you're using the keyboard to type it in.

01:39:51.000 Well, that looks like a video.

01:39:52.000 But the only issue with calling it a video game is there's no real challenges.

01:39:56.000 I don't think it's like there's no levels to win.

01:39:58.000 But can you interact?

01:39:59.000 Yeah, it's just interaction is all it is, really.

01:40:02.000 He got on the wrong side.

01:40:04.000 It's just a prompt.

01:40:05.000 No one's spending time developing this stuff.

01:40:07.000 Still, though, you imagine if you put that into a video game.

01:40:10.000 Yeah, they were as a pack of cigarettes rolling around New York City.

01:40:14.000 Like you were a pack of Marlboro Lights running around like here's San Francisco.

01:40:18.000 So they can turn this into a game.

01:40:20.000 It's just a prompt, though.

01:40:21.000 Yeah, it's literally just a prompt, and now you're playing this instead of just looking at it.

01:40:26.000 But clearly, you could turn this into tasks and scenes as the time goes on and whatnot.

01:40:33.000 That looks pretty fake, though.

01:40:36.000 The thing is, it's not fake or not.

01:40:38.000 It's just like, is this what you want to do?

01:40:40.000 You can wait for a game like Grand Theft Auto VI to come out that's been announced for 12 years and it's still getting delayed.

01:40:47.000 Or you can just prompt a thing into a little window and wait for two hours.

01:40:52.000 That's what's crazy.

01:40:53.000 It's like, imagine someone comes out with GTA 6 before they do.

01:40:57.000 It's just a matter of like, what do you want to do?

01:40:59.000 I only have an hour a day to play games if that sometimes.

01:41:01.000 So like, I don't, I'm bored with what's out there.

01:41:03.000 I could do this for an hour every week and have new experiences every single time.

01:41:07.000 Right.

01:41:08.000 Dude, have you been to the sphere in Vegas?

01:41:10.000 Yeah, we had a UFC event there.

01:41:12.000 Oh, but you, do you see, what did they have on the walls?

01:41:15.000 Oh, yeah, the fights up on the walls, and they also had this amazing, like, in-between fights.

01:41:20.000 They put, they had this incredible video display because it was all Mexican Independence Day.

01:41:28.000 So this was like, we have this El Noche UFC every year.

01:41:31.000 It's like celebrating Mexican Independence Day.

01:41:33.000 It's like a big event, and they decided to do it at the sphere.

01:41:36.000 And so the fucking entire thing was just like this huge animated video that showed like Mexican history and the Aztecs and the Mayans.

01:41:47.000 Fucking amazing.

01:41:49.000 I saw, I was there last month and I saw The Wizard of Oz.

01:41:49.000 It's sick.

01:41:53.000 She was fucking crazy. 0.82

01:41:55.000 Took some mushrooms.

01:41:57.000 And it was like, first of all, I forgot this, but it's black and white until she goes into Oz.

01:42:05.000 And then all of a sudden it explodes.

01:42:08.000 And during the tornado, they actually, there's wind blowing.

01:42:12.000 See how their hair is moving?

01:42:13.000 There's wind blowing.

01:42:15.000 There's leaves falling from the sky.

01:42:17.000 Your seat vibrates.

01:42:20.000 It's so amazing.

01:42:24.000 And then, and you also forget, Judy Garland was fucking amazing.

01:42:28.000 That movie is crazy, dude.

01:42:29.000 We went over all the people that got hurt making that movie, including the tin man got violently ill because they painted him with toxic paint.

01:42:37.000 No kidding.

01:42:38.000 Oh, he got super sick, man.

01:42:39.000 And the lady that was green, the witch that was green, she got super sick too. 0.94

01:42:44.000 So what the fuck was their face paint made of back then?

01:42:47.000 This guy had aluminum all over his face.

01:42:50.000 He's like absorbing aluminum.

01:42:52.000 Your face is skin. 0.72

01:42:53.000 Skin's an organ.

01:42:54.000 That's why you can put medication on your skin.

01:42:56.000 Your body fucking absorbs it.

01:42:58.000 His body was absorbing aluminum.

01:43:01.000 He got violently ill.

01:43:02.000 And they just replaced him with another dude.

01:43:04.000 And apparently, all the little people were staying in the same hotel in Culver City, and it was a fuck fest. 0.99

01:43:11.000 They were staying up all night, and there's like famous stories about it.

01:43:16.000 Brad Williams knows all.

01:43:18.000 Were they staying in Culver City, or were they staying at the Safari in Burbank?

01:43:21.000 Someone told me they were staying at the Safari.

01:43:23.000 No, I heard it was Culver City, but wherever it was, Brad Williams told you about it.

01:43:28.000 He's the Little People historian.

01:43:28.000 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:31.000 The Culver Hotel.

01:43:32.000 I'm looking up the history of the house.

01:43:33.000 The Culver Hotel.

01:43:34.000 124 of them stayed there.

01:43:35.000 124 fucking parties. 0.71

01:43:38.000 In seven rooms.

01:43:43.000 Bro.

01:43:44.000 Movies back then, I mean, it was wild.

01:43:49.000 Three to a bed.

01:43:50.000 You weren't off.

01:43:51.000 No, that's hilarious.

01:43:53.000 That's crazy.

01:43:54.000 Debaucherous parties.

01:43:56.000 Sleeping three to a bed.

01:43:58.000 Three to a bed.

01:43:59.000 Wow.

01:44:01.000 Famous and infamous guests.

01:44:03.000 That's incredible.

01:44:05.000 Wow.

01:44:06.000 Yeah.

01:44:07.000 Yeah, they got away with a lot back then.

01:44:09.000 Well, Judy Garland was, I mean, they worked her hard. 0.81

01:44:13.000 She was only 17 years old.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, and she, God, I mean, you got to see it.

01:44:19.000 It's worth the trip.

01:44:20.000 I don't love Vegas.

01:44:21.000 Like, I find it, it just feels hollow to me.

01:44:26.000 But then there's things that are worth going to Vegas to see.

01:44:29.000 I mean, obviously, MMA fights would be amazing.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, you want to go to Vegas, go to restaurants, go to events, and then get out.

01:44:35.000 Get out.

01:44:36.000 Don't go to Circus Circus.

01:44:37.000 It's a 48-hour trip, 36 if possible.

01:44:41.000 The people that live there, boy, you have a different constitution than me.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:45.000 Yeah.

01:44:47.000 I'm not built that way.

01:44:48.000 Well, with any Favoritos there, and he's having a really good time.

01:44:55.000 There's only a few comics that live there.

01:44:57.000 Doesn't Paulie live there?

01:44:58.000 No, a lot of comics live there.

01:45:00.000 A lot?

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:01.000 Well, the tax reasons, a lot of them.

01:45:03.000 Yeah, there's tax reasons.

01:45:04.000 And also, there's so many seven-night-a-week rooms where they pay the features okay.

01:45:09.000 So you can actually, even if you're not headlining every week, and then you have residencies.

01:45:15.000 What's his name has a residency Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's?

01:45:19.000 Oh, why am I forgetting his name?

01:45:21.000 He was a big Chelsea lately comic.

01:45:23.000 Anyway, there's a lot of comics that live there now.

01:45:26.000 Interesting.

01:45:27.000 Because we were talking about a second location for the mothership.

01:45:32.000 And the two main candidates are New York City and Vegas.

01:45:39.000 And I was thinking with Vegas, we would have to do it differently.

01:45:42.000 We would just fly in comics every week.

01:45:46.000 And then, you know, would we have enough local talent?

01:45:50.000 I was saying to have a development program.

01:45:52.000 So part of the program that's involved in the mothership is one of the things that always bothered me, if I would go to like a really nice improv on the road, is they didn't have a development program.

01:46:02.000 They didn't have open mic nights.

01:46:04.000 And I think they were doing that because you could get a Sunday night or a Monday night and sell out with you or, you know, whoever.

01:46:12.000 Have some headliner come in and pack the place, or you could develop local talent, which I think you have to do.

01:46:20.000 I really think if you want a club to function properly, it's got to be like a place where you could develop new talent.

01:46:28.000 Like Denver.

01:46:29.000 Right.

01:46:29.000 Denver's great.

01:46:29.000 Who's doing it?

01:46:31.000 Wendy's the best.

01:46:32.000 And the way she does it is amazing.

01:46:33.000 And she has a whole program where she takes people from features and hosts and makes them features.

01:46:40.000 And pays them enough where they can pay their rent.

01:46:40.000 And then eventually.

01:46:43.000 Yes.

01:46:43.000 And also makes sure that it's like a healthy community.

01:46:47.000 There's no hacks.

01:46:48.000 There's no thieves.

01:46:50.000 And most comedy clubs don't do that.

01:46:54.000 They just want to make money.

01:46:56.000 So they don't pay the comics very well.

01:46:58.000 And they also, they don't pay.

01:46:59.000 We pay different than any other club.

01:47:02.000 And then on top of that, they don't really support development.

01:47:05.000 We have two nights of open mic nights.

01:47:06.000 And that was like part of the program.

01:47:08.000 When Adam Egan and I sat down and we first hashed out the idea of doing a club, we said the thing was like, what would be the best thing for comedy?

01:47:17.000 What would be the best thing in terms of like developing new comedians?

01:47:20.000 Like you have to have open mic nights.

01:47:22.000 You have to have it.

01:47:23.000 And then having Kill Tony is gigantic.

01:47:25.000 Having a place where not only do you have this place where someone who's never been on stage before could do a fucking minute in Madison Square Garden, which is what a lot of people did.

01:47:35.000 Arenas.

01:47:36.000 You get people going up for the very first time ever in front of 16,000 people.

01:47:40.000 But you also have this thing where you see someone who's a beginner do pretty well and Tony invites them back and then maybe gives them a golden ticket or maybe makes them a regular where they're a regular thing.

01:47:52.000 Every week they have the opportunity to do a new minute.

01:47:54.000 Or sometimes a comic will go, I want you to feature for me in Atlanta next week.

01:47:58.000 Always.

01:47:58.000 It happens all the time.

01:47:59.000 Well, a lot of these guys are now headlining on the road.

01:48:01.000 You know, guys like Ari Maddie, William Montgomery, Cam Patterson's down on Saturday Night Live.

01:48:06.000 So the idea was to have it set up where you have enough talent to develop new headliners, you know, like Boston did, like L.A. was at one point in time.

01:48:20.000 And I don't, I was thinking, I don't know if there's enough talent in Vegas, you know, because you I think there is.

01:48:27.000 I think you'd be surprised.

01:48:29.000 You need headliners, right?

01:48:31.000 You don't need just like people that are starting out. 1.00

01:48:34.000 They're pretty good.

01:48:36.000 And I think most comedy communities are very top down, right?

01:48:39.000 The level of the best guys raises the level of everybody else.

01:48:44.000 New York City obviously has a tremendous amount of talent.

01:48:47.000 New York City's always been one of the best, if not the best place for talent on the planet, right?

01:48:54.000 And then LA has always been really good, but LA, a lot of people were distracted and much more interested in a career in Hollywood than they were actually just being really good at stand-up.

01:49:03.000 Whereas New York, I always felt, was more pure.

01:49:07.000 Those guys like Attel and a lot of these guys, Patrice, they were just interested in being great comics.

01:49:12.000 And guys like Sam Murrell and Mark Norman now and Joe List.

01:49:15.000 They're pure comics.

01:49:17.000 Yes.

01:49:17.000 A ton of guys.

01:49:18.000 There's a ton of talent there.

01:49:20.000 And if you set up a club in New York City, the way the mothership is, where the comics get 80% of the money, where you have these nights where you're developing, we have a legitimate talent coordinator that's actually watching people and giving them advice and giving them new spots.

01:49:35.000 And he has a whole database of comedians that are potentially that have potential.

01:49:40.000 Dude, no, Monday nights, because I'm doing Kill Tony Monday night.

01:49:44.000 So I always, it's my favorite because then I go with Adam to the open mic night before Kill Tony.

01:49:49.000 I fucking love it.

01:49:52.000 There's always the, because it encourages weirdos.

01:49:55.000 Oh, of course.

01:49:56.000 And you get guys that are just out of their fuck.

01:49:59.000 It's like, are you homeless or are you a genius?

01:50:02.000 Like you see.

01:50:03.000 Might be both.

01:50:04.000 Right.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, we had a lot of that at the store.

01:50:06.000 Remember potluck nights?

01:50:08.000 You know, we'd stroll in there like eight o'clock on a Monday and be like, this place is crazy.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:13.000 There's all these weirdos hanging around.

01:50:15.000 It's good.

01:50:15.000 It's good for the art form.

01:50:18.000 And some of those people will make it through the net.

01:50:20.000 You know, one out of a hundred, one out of a thousand, whatever the number is.

01:50:23.000 Some of those people will eventually be your peers.

01:50:26.000 And those will be the more interesting comics because so much of this industry is about trust fund kids.

01:50:32.000 Like you go out to do stand-up comedy and whether it's LA or New York, you can't afford to do it unless you got a parent helping you pay the rent.

01:50:40.000 And then it's some kid who took classes at the UCB.

01:50:44.000 He's got a marketing degree from Villanova and they become social media marketers who do really bland suburban comedy.

01:50:56.000 Is that a New York thing?

01:50:57.000 Where is that happening?

01:50:58.000 No, I see that.

01:50:59.000 I see that everywhere.

01:51:00.000 I see that everywhere.

01:51:02.000 That's recent.

01:51:03.000 Is that a recent?

01:51:04.000 I just feel like it's become so much more about marketing than about freaks getting on stage because they have no other options.

01:51:09.000 I like comics that don't have a plan B.

01:51:12.000 These are people that have college.

01:51:14.000 They have masters in fucking marketing.

01:51:16.000 You know, it's like, come on, go make some room for the freaks.

01:51:21.000 Will you?

01:51:21.000 Well, you can always make room for the freaks.

01:51:23.000 You just need a real, legitimate open mic night, and the freaks will always be there.

01:51:26.000 That's what I mean.

01:51:27.000 That's why this is good.

01:51:28.000 Well, the thing about like, I know there's certain clubs that will allow influencers to come in and do a night, like people that literally have no act, but they have like a big TikTok following.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, but they'll give them like an off-night, like a Monday or a Tuesday, where they're not excluding a real comedy.

01:51:45.000 Sometimes they'll give them a fucking weekend.

01:51:45.000 Sometimes not.

01:51:47.000 Because they know people will come out to see them.

01:51:49.000 Right.

01:51:49.000 You know, I mean, these people sell out way in advance, and people are just excited that they're there.

01:51:54.000 You know?

01:51:55.000 Well, the problem with that is when you talk about certain clubs, like the Punchline in San Francisco or Denver Comedy Works, they have a brand.

01:52:04.000 And if I live in Denver, I know that if I go to the Comedy Works on a Friday night and I don't know who's headlining, I'm going to see a quality show.

01:52:11.000 Yes.

01:52:12.000 Now, if you start bringing in a social media flunky and I go to the Denver Comedy Works and I see that, I'm not going back to that club again.

01:52:19.000 It's bad in the long term.

01:52:21.000 At the Denver Comedy Works, but you might get that at one of the improvs or one of the other corporate comedy clubs.

01:52:28.000 These clubs that don't have a development program, they don't think about it the same way.

01:52:32.000 You can't think of comedy the same way you would think about optimizing your income in any other business.

01:52:37.000 You can't think of it as I'm going to make the most money possible with this business because it's not that.

01:52:42.000 It's you have to think of it.

01:52:46.000 It's like this is an art colony.

01:52:48.000 You're creating an art colony.

01:52:49.000 What's the best way to do it?

01:52:51.000 Make it really awesome for the people that are artists.

01:52:53.000 Right.

01:52:53.000 Make a great community.

01:52:55.000 Make it so it's a lot of fun.

01:52:57.000 Make it so that you can give people guidance and encourage them and maybe give them spots on some of the bigger shows.

01:53:04.000 And we have a whole program like that.

01:53:06.000 And then the door guy program is all comics that audition.

01:53:10.000 All those door guys that are at the mothership, they all auditioned with their act.

01:53:13.000 It's correct.

01:53:14.000 It's perfect.

01:53:14.000 Get that.

01:53:14.000 Yeah.

01:53:15.000 Yeah.

01:53:16.000 You know what's good?

01:53:17.000 Helium does a pretty good job with that and their clubs.

01:53:19.000 I'm going to be in Philly next week.

01:53:21.000 That's a great club.

01:53:22.000 That's a great club.

01:53:23.000 Helium in Philly is one of the best.

01:53:26.000 And they really do develop new talent.

01:53:28.000 And then, you know, if they get somebody who's good, they've got five or six clubs around the country and they send those guys out to their family.

01:53:34.000 No, it's great for that.

01:53:35.000 It's great for that.

01:53:36.000 It's also, they know how to do it.

01:53:37.000 If you go to a helium, like the helium in Portland's awesome.

01:53:40.000 You know, Portland's fucking disastrous.

01:53:42.000 The helium was great.

01:53:43.000 Yeah.

01:53:45.000 They always know what they're doing.

01:53:46.000 And they own Cap City now, too.

01:53:47.000 So they're in Austin as well.

01:53:49.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 Which is nice.

01:53:52.000 They just kicked Rappaport out.

01:53:54.000 Who's Rappaport?

01:53:55.000 Michael Rappaport.

01:53:56.000 Kicked him out of where?

01:53:57.000 Cap City.

01:53:58.000 What do you mean?

01:53:59.000 Kicked him out.

01:53:59.000 He used to perform there.

01:54:00.000 He was supposed to be there.

01:54:01.000 And they canceled his shows because of his pro-Israel's stance.

01:54:05.000 Really?

01:54:06.000 Well, I don't think it's pro-Israel. 0.67

01:54:07.000 I think it's anti-Palestinian.

01:54:10.000 Oh.

01:54:11.000 That's what they claimed.

01:54:12.000 I don't know, but there was enough response that they canceled his shows.

01:54:17.000 So weird.

01:54:18.000 I know.

01:54:19.000 Like, they were calling him racist.

01:54:21.000 I was like, what?

01:54:22.000 Michael Rappaport?

01:54:25.000 It just seems weird that political stances are legitimate reasons to kick a kid out of college.

01:54:33.000 You know?

01:54:34.000 One political stance.

01:54:36.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 One particular one.

01:54:37.000 Yeah.

01:54:38.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:54:38.000 Right.

01:54:39.000 Well, how about that one girl? 1.00

01:54:41.000 Or kicking it out?

01:54:41.000 Or kick somebody out of the country.

01:54:43.000 A college student.

01:54:44.000 Yeah, she was a college student.

01:54:45.000 Was it Columbia?

01:54:46.000 I forget where it was.

01:54:47.000 But she got kicked out of class, and I think they were trying to deport her because she wrote some anti-Israel piece.

01:54:56.000 A piece.

01:54:56.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 Wrote it.

01:54:58.000 Didn't know what to do.

01:55:00.000 Students have been kicked out of the country.

01:55:03.000 That kind of influence is crazy, especially at an institution of higher learning, which is supposed to be a place where you challenge ideas.

01:55:11.000 It's supposed to be a place where if someone comes in and you have a particular stance on, you know, fill in the blank, whatever it is, Ukraine, someone else is supposed to say, you're wrong and here's why.

01:55:20.000 And then the whole audience is supposed to listen to these very compelling speeches, very compelling debates, and you learn.

01:55:27.000 You learn about how people formulate opinions.

01:55:29.000 When I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was at Newton South High School, Barney Frank came in and he had a debate with a guy from the Moral Majority.

01:55:39.000 Do you remember the Moral Majority?

01:55:41.000 Of course.

01:55:41.000 Yeah, so that was the right-wing group when we were in high school.

01:55:45.000 And he was a gay congressman.

01:55:46.000 Nobody knew he was gay at the time.

01:55:48.000 I sniffed him out.

01:55:48.000 Except me.

01:55:51.000 I sniffed his ass.

01:55:52.000 I smell 60 different things at once.

01:55:56.000 I smell fudge.

01:55:59.000 So I went to it and I watched it.

01:56:01.000 And it was really interesting because Barney Frank trounced the guy from the Moral Majority.

01:56:05.000 Moral Majority guy seemed like a closeted gay guy, like a weird guy. 0.72

01:56:08.000 Oh, that was the whole group.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, weird.

01:56:11.000 He had an American flag pin on his lapel.

01:56:11.000 Just weird.

01:56:14.000 He looked like a poser.

01:56:15.000 There was something about the way he said it was very disingenuous.

01:56:17.000 The words he was, the way he was talking didn't resonate.

01:56:20.000 Whereas Barney Frank was like logical and intelligent.

01:56:23.000 And I was like, this is good.

01:56:26.000 I remember being in high school, going, this is really interesting.

01:56:29.000 I learned a lot from that.

01:56:30.000 I learned how these guys think and I learned how this guy thinks.

01:56:32.000 And as they went back and forth, Barney Frank was just way more prepared, just way more articulate.

01:56:39.000 It was better.

01:56:40.000 And so that's why it's good to have like conservative, ridiculous people or progressive, ridiculous people, anybody ridiculous.

01:56:49.000 Have someone debate them.

01:56:50.000 Have that kind of open discourse.

01:56:53.000 But when you kick someone out of school for a paper that they wrote, this person that's legally in that class, allowed to be there, supposed to be there.

01:56:53.000 Yes.

01:57:02.000 What you're saying is you're intimidating people and keeping them from expressing their opinions because they don't want to be like that lady.

01:57:10.000 They don't want to get the boot too.

01:57:12.000 If your parents, you know, if your parents are from India and they scraped up the money to send you to Harvard or wherever the fuck it is, and you're in America and they hear about this, you better not fucking talk some fucking shit.

01:57:28.000 I'll fucking kick you out.

01:57:29.000 Dad, Dad, relax.

01:57:31.000 I'm not going to do it.

01:57:32.000 Like you get intimidated from speaking like that or from speaking about anything that's controversial because you could perhaps get kicked out of the fucking school now.

01:57:41.000 Which is crazy because you're forcing, you're encouraging people to self-censor.

01:57:45.000 You're discouraging free speech and communication and you're discouraging debate and challenging ideas, which is supposed to be a giant part of being in a university.

01:57:54.000 No, when I was at BU, which you were at for a minute, right?

01:57:59.000 You're teaching there.

01:57:59.000 No, I was teaching there.

01:58:01.000 The president, John Silber, who was, you know, very conservative and he was pretty active in the Central American, you know, sponsoring fucking uprisings in Central America.

01:58:14.000 So there was a professor there named, you know, this guy.

01:58:20.000 He wrote the book, Howard Zinn.

01:58:23.000 So Howard Zinn was a professor there, and he used to go after Silber.

01:58:23.000 Okay.

01:58:28.000 And there was a lot of debates on campus.

01:58:30.000 There were kids on both sides, and they kept Zinn there because they realized I was a vibrant voice that students needed to hear to go against a lot of what was conservative.

01:58:40.000 And there was anti-apartheid marches, and there was a lot of politics on BU was actually very much like Berkeley in the 60s.

01:58:49.000 BU was very outspoken.

01:58:51.000 And, you know, you think about the liberal kind of, like, George Carlin used to tape his comedy specials at colleges.

01:59:00.000 And they were much more conservative back then.

01:59:02.000 College campuses were not as liberal.

01:59:04.000 And he would go in there, but people were open to hearing a different voice.

01:59:07.000 Yeah.

01:59:08.000 And now Seinfeld won't even play at colleges.

01:59:10.000 I think he said he does play college.

01:59:12.000 Oh, he does.

01:59:13.000 I think Chris Rock does.

01:59:14.000 I don't.

01:59:15.000 I haven't in a long time.

01:59:16.000 I stopped doing them a long time ago.

01:59:18.000 I remember I was doing a show in Miami, and I was talking about sex, and I remember saying, I remember like a lot, I saw a lot of them look confused.

01:59:26.000 I go, How many of you people are virgins? 0.56

01:59:28.000 And a bunch of people clapped and raised their hands.

01:59:30.000 I go, fuck, that's crazy.

01:59:35.000 Like, you should not be hearing about blowjobs from me.

01:59:40.000 Especially in this context, in a joke form.

01:59:45.000 This is nuts.

01:59:46.000 I was like, there's just not enough life experience.

01:59:48.000 People are so set in their ways.

01:59:50.000 Also, they're so ready to protest things.

01:59:54.000 They're so ready to show that you're wrong.

01:59:56.000 And they're so like, so ready to heckle.

01:59:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:59.000 Christ.

02:00:00.000 It's just not worth it.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 I want people with like bills.

02:00:03.000 I want people that have like fucking breakups and divorces and life experience.

02:00:07.000 They had a couple of cocktails.

02:00:09.000 Those are my people.

02:00:10.000 Let's talk some shit.

02:00:11.000 Let's have some fun.

02:00:12.000 I want people to have lived life.

02:00:14.000 And I don't want people that I don't even want high school graduates at my shows.

02:00:14.000 Yeah.

02:00:19.000 Can you imagine going and doing a show at a high school?

02:00:21.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:22.000 I did one at when I was doing a bunch.

02:00:25.000 I used to do a lot of colleges.

02:00:26.000 When I was coming up in my 20s, dude, it paid the rent.

02:00:29.000 Oh, yeah, I did a lot of those.

02:00:30.000 I used to go out.

02:00:30.000 I'd make like a thousand bucks a show.

02:00:32.000 They'd book me on, I'd do 10 shows in seven days because I would do nooners.

02:00:37.000 So I would get, I would rent a car in Chicago, and then I would drive through North Dakota, fucking Minnesota in January, through snowstorms.

02:00:46.000 I'd do a noon show.

02:00:48.000 I remember once I was in a cafeteria.

02:00:51.000 Nobody knew there was going to be comedy.

02:00:53.000 They're all just eating lunch.

02:00:54.000 And all of a sudden, there's no stage, there's no light.

02:00:57.000 I got a microphone, and I am plugged into the same speakers as the pizza joint.

02:01:04.000 So that I would be in the middle of a joke, and I'd be like, Ronnie Pepperoni up in the window.

02:01:11.000 I had a similar gig with Mike Clark.

02:01:13.000 Oh, really?

02:01:14.000 A one-off.

02:01:15.000 He only did it one time, and I was the comic that did it.

02:01:17.000 And it was a waiting room for a restaurant.

02:01:19.000 It was an enormous restaurant down the Cape.

02:01:22.000 And, you know, you're waiting for your table to get ready and you're in a lounge.

02:01:26.000 And I was telling jokes, I'd be like, Johnson party five. 0.64

02:01:29.000 Johnson party five.

02:01:30.000 Your table's ready.

02:01:31.000 They'd be like, oh, no.

02:01:32.000 And when I realized it came, it became the running gag of my set.

02:01:36.000 And it was fun.

02:01:37.000 It was fun.

02:01:38.000 Well, you remember we used to do those gigs in New England where if the Red Sox were in the playoffs, that TV, the sound might be off, but the TV was staying on.

02:01:46.000 Yeah.

02:01:46.000 Always.

02:01:47.000 Hockey games.

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

02:01:48.000 Yeah.

02:01:48.000 You're at the Bill Record 99.

02:01:51.000 And by the way, you wanted it on because if they shut it off and then you had to do comedy, that was even worse.

02:01:56.000 That was even worse.

02:01:57.000 And if they lost the game, that was bad.

02:02:01.000 Then they turned on you.

02:02:01.000 Yeah.

02:02:02.000 You did it.

02:02:03.000 Dude, the first night I ever did stand-up comedy, and then I didn't do it for a little while after this, but my first night was the night that the New England Patriots lost to the Chicago Bears.

02:02:14.000 It was 1986.

02:02:15.000 Oh, no.

02:02:16.000 And they got fucking crushed.

02:02:18.000 I forget what the score was, but it was bad.

02:02:20.000 And I went on Comedy Hell that night.

02:02:22.000 George McDonald brought me up on Comedy Hell at Stitches Comedy Club, and I tanked it.

02:02:28.000 Wow.

02:02:29.000 Yeah, I didn't go up on stage again for a while after that.

02:02:35.000 Comedy Hell was great.

02:02:36.000 Comedy Hell.

02:02:37.000 Remember, he used to do that little run at the beginning of the show?

02:02:41.000 This was the open mic night in Boston for years.

02:02:44.000 Yeah.

02:02:45.000 Sunday night at Stitches.

02:02:46.000 And this was like, I mean, the lineups when we were doing it, this is the open mic night was like me, you, Dane, Bill Burr was a little bit after us, and Mark Maron would be on there, and fucking Louie would be there.

02:03:04.000 And he would start the show by going, Welcome to Comedy Hell, where the pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokos can soar as high as the lights on Broadway or crash and burn in that fiery pit known only as comedy hell. 0.78

02:03:21.000 And then you would see guys who are like legit pros who would do guest spots.

02:03:25.000 Like I remember one time I watched Teddy Bergeron when Teddy was in his prime.

02:03:30.000 And people forgot about Teddy Bergeron.

02:03:32.000 It's really unfortunate because he had a bunch of personal and substance issues that kind of derailed his career.

02:03:37.000 But when he was on in his prime, he was so smooth and so slick.

02:03:44.000 And I remember watching him because I'd only done comedy like twice at that time.

02:03:47.000 And he went up and did a set.

02:03:48.000 I was like, I should quit now.

02:03:50.000 There's no way.

02:03:51.000 This is so far away from me.

02:03:53.000 This is so good.

02:03:54.000 It's so polished.

02:03:55.000 And then he had that big set on the tonight show.

02:03:58.000 And remember, we played the piano?

02:04:00.000 You ever see that set that he had on Sancho?

02:04:02.000 Fucking genius.

02:04:03.000 Sat down on the couch with Johnny.

02:04:05.000 Johnny brought him over on his first appearance.

02:04:08.000 It's like, oh my God, Teddy Bergeron's going to be a star.

02:04:11.000 Then apparently, like, he's in Holly.

02:04:13.000 He went off the rails.

02:04:14.000 Just went off the rails with drugs and went crazy and partying.

02:04:17.000 And it never worked out for him.

02:04:19.000 He should have been huge.

02:04:21.000 But did you hear what happened after that Tonight Show set?

02:04:23.000 Like, he wasn't popular in Boston.

02:04:26.000 He had a huge ego.

02:04:28.000 And then the drinking got bad.

02:04:30.000 And so he did the tonight show.

02:04:31.000 And then he was face down drunk in front of the next comedy stop laying on the stairs.

02:04:36.000 And Don Gavin just walked by and they looked at him.

02:04:38.000 He goes, Didn't I see him on the Tonight Show?

02:04:43.000 He had a huge ego?

02:04:44.000 They didn't like him?

02:04:47.000 I don't know.

02:04:48.000 Is that what it was?

02:04:49.000 Because a lot of those guys got very resentful of guys who left Boston and made it.

02:04:54.000 There was a lot of, what about me?

02:04:56.000 What about me?

02:04:57.000 There was a lot of that when Stephen Wright made it.

02:04:59.000 A lot of guys got very pissed because Stephen Wright, he's not even a fucking headliner.

02:05:02.000 There was a lot of that.

02:05:03.000 Well, you know about the night that he got the tonight show, right?

02:05:07.000 The guy, Jim Downey, who was the booker for the tonight show.

02:05:11.000 This is back in the 80s, early 80s.

02:05:13.000 And he hears about this comedy scene in Boston because you've got Sweeney and Gavin and Kenny Rogerson.

02:05:19.000 Killers.

02:05:20.000 And it was one of the first cities to really explode in terms of clubs popping up everywhere and lines of people getting to the shows.

02:05:29.000 And so Jim Downey goes, all right, let me check it out.

02:05:32.000 So he flies to Boston, and there was this club called the Ding-Ho, which was the first place to really house comedy in Boston.

02:05:42.000 So they get the best of, get all lined up, and they're in the green room, and they're chopping up lines of blow, and they're getting on stage, and they're jokes about, what about the hair in Malden?

02:05:54.000 It's not as big as the hair in Revilla.

02:05:56.000 And it's like, that's not going to play on the tonight show.

02:05:59.000 And they're killing, but none of it is right for the tonight show.

02:06:03.000 And then Stephen Wright, who was, they put him on as a, as a, out of pity at the end of the show.

02:06:10.000 And I remember, I'm not going to say which, but one of the comedians had pulled Steve aside and said, look, Steven, he'd been struggling for years, not doing well.

02:06:19.000 And they go, this is not for you, man.

02:06:20.000 You got to try something else.

02:06:23.000 Wow.

02:06:23.000 So Steven Wright goes up and he does his set and he does good.

02:06:26.000 And they fly him out the next week for the tonight show.

02:06:29.000 He's the only one that got it.

02:06:30.000 And they were irate.

02:06:32.000 And he killed so hard.

02:06:33.000 Johnny said, stay in town.

02:06:36.000 We're going to bring you back next week.

02:06:37.000 And he did the show like four or five times that first year and exploded and was one of the biggest comics of the 80s.

02:06:43.000 Wow.

02:06:45.000 That Fran Salamita documentary when Stand Up Stood Out is great for anybody who's interested.

02:06:50.000 It was a very unusual time.

02:06:52.000 And you and I caught the wave after it had crested.

02:06:56.000 So it kind of really broke in like 82 to 84.

02:07:00.000 You and I came in.

02:07:01.000 I came in at 88.

02:07:03.000 And you did the 86 set that one set, but then you did it again.

02:07:06.000 We started in 88.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, right before me.

02:07:08.000 We started like the same week.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

02:07:11.000 Yeah.

02:07:12.000 And I think it was still really drifting away.

02:07:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:17.000 In the next two years, it had died off significantly.

02:07:20.000 Well, what happened was there was so much comedy on TV.

02:07:24.000 There was all these, you know, one-hour shows where everybody did the six-minute set, comedy on the road, half-hour comedy hour, comedy hour.

02:07:34.000 And so it got kind of, it got kind of overexposed.

02:07:38.000 And so the club started opening everywhere.

02:07:41.000 And then as it fell off, they started papering the rooms and giving out free passes.

02:07:46.000 And so, I mean, I still experience, you know, if I go into a new market, especially if it's like an improv where it's five or six hundred seats and I'm there for five shows, they'll give out a fair amount of free passes.

02:07:58.000 Dude, I feel that immediately.

02:08:00.000 It's not the same crowd.

02:08:00.000 Yeah.

02:08:02.000 Yeah, they're not really that interested.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:04.000 It was just something to do.

02:08:05.000 Yeah.

02:08:06.000 Yeah.

02:08:06.000 They're not committed to it.

02:08:08.000 So then this, so then it just, and then there were so many rooms and not enough comedians to do well in those rooms.

02:08:14.000 And so it kind of sagged and it went away.

02:08:16.000 And I really wonder now, like that we've been in a kind of COVID launched, post-COVID launched comedy, like it's never been at this heights that it's at right now.

02:08:26.000 I mean, you got people like you doing arenas.

02:08:30.000 And there's not a couple.

02:08:32.000 There's a dozen people doing arena shows now.

02:08:36.000 And then you've got theaters of different sizes.

02:08:38.000 Then you've got clubs of different sizes.

02:08:40.000 Then you've got little pop-up shows all over.

02:08:43.000 Don't tell comedy about this thing where they just do like pop-up shows.

02:08:47.000 They basically have a mailing list and they'll announce like the day before they're doing a show and it'll sell out.

02:08:53.000 It's everywhere.

02:08:54.000 Wow.

02:08:54.000 And so I really, yeah, everybody's wondering, when does this one end?

02:08:59.000 It feels like it's starting to get a little softer.

02:09:01.000 People are talking about it.

02:09:03.000 Well, it just all depends on how much talent's generated.

02:09:06.000 So if you have clubs that are trying to generate new talent, there's no reason why it can't be just like Boston.

02:09:12.000 Like Austin, the street where we have the mothership on, there's seven clubs within walking distance.

02:09:19.000 Seven.

02:09:20.000 That are at least three, four nights a week.

02:09:22.000 There's the Sunset room that's Red Band's room that's right down the street from our club, which is great.

02:09:27.000 You got Creek in the Cave, which is great, one block away.

02:09:30.000 You got the Vulcan, which is great, another two blocks away.

02:09:34.000 It's crazy.

02:09:35.000 Just on that street, you got the Black Rabbit, you got the Velveeta room, then you got Cap City, where a lot of headliners come in, which is about 20 minutes away.

02:09:44.000 Are there little outs?

02:09:44.000 Like when we started in Boston, there was rooms in the suburbs in every direction.

02:09:48.000 So that's all over.

02:09:48.000 All over.

02:09:50.000 Because that's where you can actually make some money.

02:09:52.000 Yeah, well, a lot of these comics book places now.

02:09:54.000 They'll book a comedy night at a barbecue place, a comedy night at a bar.

02:09:58.000 They'll go to Dripping Springs.

02:09:59.000 They'll go to here. 0.95

02:10:00.000 They go to there.

02:10:01.000 I was just talking to a guy the other day.

02:10:02.000 He's like, yeah, we're doing a comedy night at my club.

02:10:04.000 I'm like, that's fucking great.

02:10:05.000 Do you ever do any of them?

02:10:12.000 I remember when I was at Skank Fest a couple months ago, and you know Mark Normans from New Orleans?

02:10:19.000 Yeah.

02:10:19.000 And I, and, you know, and then it's fucking nuts.

02:10:22.000 Like, literally from the time you wake up until five in the morning where you end up at Larry Flint's Barely Legal Club, which, you know, Louis C.K. has this whole thing about the barely legal.

02:10:35.000 Like, all right, here's the pitch.

02:10:37.000 She's barely legal.

02:10:39.000 I won't do his bit, but it's very funny.

02:10:41.000 But the point is, like, Mark Norman is there, and I run into a comic and they go, yeah, yeah, I have this little bar show.

02:10:48.000 And yeah, Mark Norman just came by and did it.

02:10:51.000 Like, I was like, how fucking cool is that?

02:10:52.000 Oh, he drops in everywhere.

02:10:54.000 Yeah.

02:10:54.000 He does, when he's in town doing the mothership, he'll go down the street, do a bunch of sets.

02:10:54.000 Yeah.

02:10:58.000 But that's the New York way.

02:10:58.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 Yeah.

02:11:00.000 You know, they go, they do 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there.

02:11:02.000 They hop from club to club.

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 Dude, you got to do Skank Fest.

02:11:07.000 Even stop by Skank Fest for 24 hours.

02:11:10.000 They've got a nude roast where literally everybody on stage is nude, including the judges.

02:11:17.000 And then they've got boxing, comedians boxing each other outside.

02:11:21.000 The green room is filled with mushrooms and acid and weed and open bars.

02:11:28.000 And then you've got, I mean, it's basically, it's kind of like when we used to go to the Montreal Comedy Festival, you got big by doing a set in front of the industry, getting a deal, and then hopefully getting on TV.

02:11:41.000 Well, that doesn't exist anymore.

02:11:43.000 Now it's about how do I get canceled?

02:11:46.000 That's how you get famous.

02:11:48.000 And this is a festival that is trying to help you get canceled.

02:11:51.000 You got 7,000 people with cell phones taping you, you know, going on stage and, you know, saying the most horrendous shit.

02:11:59.000 It is fucking great.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, everybody who goes says it's awesome.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:04.000 I fully support it.

02:12:05.000 I support the idea.

02:12:06.000 I think it's really good for comedy.

02:12:08.000 And it's also like just like the Vegas version of a comedy festival.

02:12:14.000 You know, what happens in Vegas days in Vegas?

02:12:16.000 Like, go nuts.

02:12:17.000 All right.

02:12:17.000 You know, it's New Year's Eve.

02:12:18.000 Go nuts.

02:12:19.000 Yeah.

02:12:20.000 Skank Fest.

02:12:20.000 Go nuts.

02:12:21.000 They had Miss Skank Fest contest.

02:12:24.000 And I said the winner, they reunite the winner with her family, with her parents.

02:12:31.000 They were like, I mean, it's Skank Fest 9s, Skank Fest 10s, which would be like 6s in other places.

02:12:38.000 A lot of guys with like cargo shorts and black sneakers and like anthrax t-shirts and mullets.

02:12:46.000 Subscription to Gas Digital.

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter than they should deserve. 0.91

02:12:54.000 I don't know what that quotient is, but there was a lot of that.

02:12:57.000 That's interesting.

02:12:58.000 Yeah.

02:12:59.000 Yeah.

02:13:00.000 Comedy's at a good place right now.

02:13:00.000 It's good.

02:13:02.000 Tom O'Neill came with me this year.

02:13:03.000 Oh, really?

02:13:04.000 And then Duncan Trussell was having his podcast, and I introduced Tom to Duncan.

02:13:08.000 Well, first, me, Tom, and Duncan were talking for like.

02:13:11.000 We should tell everybody.

02:13:11.000 Tom O'Neill is the guy who wrote Chaos.

02:13:13.000 Oh, right, of course.

02:13:14.000 Yes.

02:13:15.000 Who you introduced me to.

02:13:16.000 Which, by the way, you have never recommended anybody for the podcast before.

02:13:20.000 But that guy, you're like, dude, you got to talk to him because I know how much you're into Manson and how much you're into that story.

02:13:20.000 That's right.

02:13:26.000 CIA.

02:13:28.000 It's all in there.

02:13:29.000 Crazy.

02:13:30.000 That book is bananas.

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 It's bananas and he's working on another volume.

02:13:35.000 Really?

02:13:35.000 Yeah.

02:13:36.000 Is it going to be another 20 years?

02:13:37.000 Has he got an editor?

02:13:38.000 No, because what happened is it took 20 years last time because he just kept going down rabbit holes.

02:13:43.000 And then finally, his, well, you know, first he got a big deal from a major publisher.

02:13:50.000 And after seven or eight years, they sued him to get the money.

02:13:53.000 They gave him a lot of money and they sued him to get it back.

02:13:55.000 And then he's driving an Uber.

02:13:57.000 He's teaching English as a second language.

02:13:59.000 He's fucking, you know, drinking, drinking booze out of a paper cup.

02:14:03.000 And so then.

02:14:05.000 It had to have paid off, though.

02:14:06.000 No, so what happened was, what happened was, then his publisher said, look, come on, there's something here.

02:14:06.000 The book was.

02:14:12.000 He paired him up with this other guy.

02:14:14.000 I wish I could remember the guy's name right now.

02:14:16.000 Dan, Dan something.

02:14:17.000 And he reigned Tom in.

02:14:20.000 And in one year, he took, he had shelves around his apartment filled with binders with notes.

02:14:27.000 He had boxes of cassette tapes, of interviews.

02:14:31.000 And this guy somehow got in there and Corey.

02:14:35.000 Dan Piperberg.

02:14:36.000 Oh, Dan Piperberg.

02:14:37.000 Who's a very successful biographer?

02:14:37.000 Yeah.

02:14:40.000 What is his name again?

02:14:41.000 Dan Piperberg.

02:14:42.000 Push that up again.

02:14:45.000 Pipe and Bring.

02:14:47.000 Oh, Pipe and Bring.

02:14:48.000 Okay.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:50.000 So he reined him in and got the book out in a year, and they were able to resell it for a lot of the money, paid back the back debt.

02:14:58.000 And now he's hitting.

02:15:00.000 I don't want to talk about Tom's finances, but he's doing very well.

02:15:04.000 I know so many people that have read that book.

02:15:06.000 Yeah.

02:15:07.000 I mean, I've talked about it a hundred times.

02:15:07.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 Yeah.

02:15:10.000 It's amazing.

02:15:11.000 It's amazing.

02:15:12.000 It's amazing because it's all true.

02:15:14.000 Like the stuff that's verifiable factual evidence in that story makes you go, what the fuck else did they do that we don't know about?

02:15:14.000 That's what's nuts.

02:15:22.000 Right, because Tom is a real journalist.

02:15:24.000 He didn't put anything in there that wasn't triple corroborated.

02:15:28.000 And he even, to his credit, at the end, does not say this happened.

02:15:33.000 He said, I never found the smoking gun.

02:15:36.000 So here's all the evidence.

02:15:38.000 Take what you will from it.

02:15:39.000 It's a bunch of, I mean, think about Tom is he comes from a family of geniuses.

02:15:44.000 His brother is the American ambassador to Haiti.

02:15:47.000 Like they're all like PhDs up there.

02:15:49.000 He's brilliant.

02:15:50.000 And so he's also Irish, and he's a great Irish storyteller.

02:15:55.000 So each chapter, whether you're talking about Jolly West or whatever, they're just each chapter is a great story.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:03.000 On top of being good journalism.

02:16:04.000 It's an amazing book.

02:16:06.000 Yeah.

02:16:06.000 I might reread it.

02:16:08.000 I might go back.

02:16:09.000 Don't listen to it on tape.

02:16:10.000 He hates the book on tape.

02:16:11.000 I thought it was great.

02:16:12.000 I listened to it.

02:16:13.000 Oh, really?

02:16:13.000 Yeah.

02:16:14.000 Oh, okay.

02:16:14.000 I loved it.

02:16:15.000 I don't know.

02:16:15.000 Yeah.

02:16:16.000 I mean, I would understand why you hate someone else speaking your words, but he probably should have done it.

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:22.000 Why didn't he do it?

02:16:24.000 He's a good speaker.

02:16:25.000 He was great on the podcast.

02:16:28.000 Yeah, he was great on the podcast.

02:16:30.000 He got better.

02:16:31.000 In his early interviews, I used to say, Tom, you look like you're a hostage giving out a message from the captors with a gun at your head.

02:16:39.000 And then he got really good at it.

02:16:41.000 Well, on mine, he was very loose, very comfortable.

02:16:43.000 But he also knew it was friendly territory.

02:16:46.000 He knew that I'm a very good friend of yours and that I was really excited about it and it was going to help him.

02:16:53.000 If he does a second one, I would encourage him to read it.

02:16:56.000 I would encourage him to read it.

02:16:57.000 I think he could kill it.

02:16:59.000 And to come back on here.

02:17:00.000 Oh, 100%.

02:17:01.000 I'd have him back on.

02:17:01.000 I'd have him back on before he does it just to talk about it.

02:17:04.000 Yeah.

02:17:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:05.000 I think the impact of that book has opened up a lot of people's eyes to the fucking shenanigans that were going on back then.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, when we were at Skank Fest, so Duncan and I are talking to Tom for like a half an hour, and Duncan doesn't know who I just introduced him as Tom.

02:17:18.000 And then when I brought up Chaos and that he wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because he's obsessed with the book.

02:17:25.000 So he was doing a live podcast from Skank Fest.

02:17:27.000 So he hadn't booked guests yet.

02:17:28.000 So he booked me and Tom to come on his podcast.

02:17:32.000 And then Kurt Metzger also, which is hilarious.

02:17:36.000 Because Tom is trying to stay on point and get to these things.

02:17:39.000 And Metzger is sitting there.

02:17:40.000 He's smoking a joint the size of my forearm and just cracking every 15 seconds.

02:17:45.000 Oh my God.

02:17:46.000 He was manic.

02:17:47.000 He's so funny.

02:17:48.000 Wrangling him on a podcast is so different than anybody else.

02:17:52.000 Because he'll go one subject to the next subject.

02:17:54.000 You don't know about this.

02:17:55.000 And the Kissingers, you don't know, no? 1.00

02:17:57.000 You don't know?

02:17:57.000 But the Rockefellers?

02:17:58.000 You don't know about this?

02:17:59.000 What they did in the 60s?

02:18:00.000 You're like, okay, go back to the first thing you said about what's in school lunches.

02:18:07.000 You got to bring him back on point.

02:18:10.000 Well, that's why his girlfriend is so great because she is a mini wrangler of Kurt. 0.65

02:18:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:16.000 She can keep him on point a little bit.

02:18:18.000 Yeah.

02:18:19.000 He's hilarious.

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:20.000 He's great.

02:18:21.000 He's funny, dude.

02:18:22.000 And a good writer.

02:18:22.000 I know.

02:18:23.000 He's written on a lot of big shows.

02:18:25.000 Oh, he's a great joke writer.

02:18:26.000 He came on the last time he did my episode, my podcast, rather, the episode he dressed up like John Lilly, who's the psychedelic pioneer from the 70s.

02:18:26.000 Yeah.

02:18:34.000 So he had a coonskin hat on and a wig, and he put on a one-handed glove with the skeleton fingers on it. 0.64

02:18:42.000 I go, what are you doing?

02:18:43.000 No one even knows who John Lilly is.

02:18:45.000 This is so crazy.

02:18:46.000 Yeah, he feels like the kind of guy that is not hung up on getting famous or getting rich.

02:18:51.000 He just really enjoys like ideas and communicating ideas.

02:18:56.000 Exactly.

02:18:57.000 There he is.

02:18:58.000 It's hilarious.

02:19:03.000 He's a fun hang in the green room, too.

02:19:05.000 He's such a maniac.

02:19:06.000 By the way, today is the, this is the 25th time I've been on your podcast.

02:19:11.000 I was looking up yesterday.

02:19:11.000 Holy shit.

02:19:12.000 I was like, how many times have I been on the fucking show?

02:19:14.000 This is the 25th.

02:19:15.000 That's crazy.

02:19:16.000 Because we used to do it all the time when you were just starting out.

02:19:16.000 Yeah.

02:19:19.000 I know.

02:19:20.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 And a lot of times it was at the Ice House.

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 We did the Ice House.

02:19:26.000 He did it at my house.

02:19:27.000 Yeah.

02:19:27.000 And then when I finally got a little mini studio, that little strip mall.

02:19:32.000 Yeah.

02:19:33.000 I know.

02:19:36.000 Those Ice House shows were crazy because we would have a stand-up show going, and then you'd have about six people on the podcast with a joint going the entire time in this small room.

02:19:47.000 And I don't, I have never been high on stage in my life except for those shows because it was secondhand smoke.

02:19:53.000 I would literally get so baked in.

02:19:56.000 And then I remember going on stage.

02:19:57.000 And then so you would go from the podcast to the stage.

02:20:00.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 And then you come back on the podcast.

02:20:02.000 People would just swap out.

02:20:03.000 Yeah.

02:20:04.000 And then Ice House Chronicles.

02:20:05.000 Oh, my God, dude.

02:20:07.000 I thought about doing something similar to that at the mothership, like putting together a podcast studio at the mothership.

02:20:13.000 We have considered doing that.

02:20:14.000 Do you have space for it?

02:20:15.000 No.

02:20:16.000 But I thought about buying another building next to me, you know, and then like doing something else with that, too.

02:20:23.000 Yeah.

02:20:24.000 Build another stage, too.

02:20:26.000 I don't think so.

02:20:27.000 I think we have enough stages.

02:20:28.000 Yeah.

02:20:29.000 I think the next move in terms of a club would be we go to another city and try to do the same thing and really put a lot of time and money and effort into making it right.

02:20:42.000 Really making it right.

02:20:43.000 Buying a building.

02:20:45.000 One thing I thought would be really crazy if I could buy a big building in New York and recreate the exact interior of the mothership.

02:20:54.000 Well, that's what the Punchline did in Sacramento.

02:20:54.000 Exactly.

02:20:59.000 It's almost the same room as the San Francisco one.

02:21:02.000 Oh, really?

02:21:03.000 And then I think the comedy cellar Vegas room is similar to the New York room.

02:21:09.000 Yeah.

02:21:09.000 Oh, that's good.

02:21:10.000 Yeah.

02:21:10.000 I thought about literally recreating it with the two staircases to the two separate rooms.

02:21:15.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 Like finding a building that has the same dimensions or something.

02:21:19.000 Kind of perfect.

02:21:21.000 I love the walk to the stage because you're in the green room and you got to go down a flight of stairs and then you kind of feel the show over your head as you're walking underneath it.

02:21:32.000 Tunnel under the pop-up.

02:21:34.000 Yeah.

02:21:35.000 We built all that.

02:21:35.000 There was no tunnel there before.

02:21:37.000 We made all that.

02:21:38.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 Oh, no shit.

02:21:39.000 We had to build all that.

02:21:39.000 Yeah.

02:21:40.000 Yeah, that was an idea the architect, Richard, came up with.

02:21:40.000 Oh, wow.

02:21:44.000 Yeah, we just decided somewhere along the way, like, what was the best way to get to the state?

02:21:47.000 We're trying to figure out how to get to the stage.

02:21:49.000 You don't want to have to go through the crowd.

02:21:51.000 And he came up with the idea of a tunnel.

02:21:53.000 And it was based on there's like some folklore or mythology around tunnels in Austin that connect clubs.

02:22:01.000 And like he was all big on the history of Austin.

02:22:05.000 It's like it goes back to the gladiators, too.

02:22:07.000 Walking into the arena.

02:22:10.000 Well, that's why if you go into the green room, all those posters on the wall are all people that actually performed at the Ritz.

02:22:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:22:16.000 Oh, no shit.

02:22:17.000 Yeah, when you look up, you see Willie Nelson, Black Flag, all those guys, they actually performed.

02:22:23.000 Steve Ray Von, they actually performed at the Ritz.

02:22:26.000 There's a photo of Steve Ray Vaughan as you're walking to the stage.

02:22:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:30.000 That photo is him on stage at the Ritz.

02:22:32.000 Wow.

02:22:33.000 In, I think, 1983 or something.

02:22:35.000 Yeah.

02:22:36.000 Yeah.

02:22:36.000 So it was a rock and roll club for a long time.

02:22:38.000 Isn't it funny how Steve Rayvon and Bill Hicks are kind of the same guy?

02:22:42.000 In what way?

02:22:43.000 I just feel like they're outlaw Texans who just like free expression and balls. 1.00

02:22:49.000 Genius.

02:22:50.000 And they kind of had the same style, like the way they dressed and hair.

02:22:54.000 And I just always think of them as the same guy.

02:22:57.000 Most people think of Alex Jones as Bill Hicks.

02:22:57.000 Interesting.

02:22:59.000 Like there was a rumor that Alex Jones was Bill Hicks.

02:23:05.000 Which makes no sense.

02:23:06.000 When's the last time you had that guy on the show?

02:23:08.000 Oh, it's been a while.

02:23:10.000 It was probably a few years ago.

02:23:12.000 Yeah.

02:23:12.000 I see him occasionally.

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 They're still trying to get a billion dollars out of him.

02:23:17.000 They're still trying to the Connecticut shooter in the family's?

02:23:20.000 Yeah.

02:23:21.000 It's crazy.

02:23:22.000 Does he have a billion dollars?

02:23:23.000 No.

02:23:24.000 No.

02:23:25.000 I think they made him liquidate his business.

02:23:28.000 I don't know what's going on with it now.

02:23:30.000 Jesus.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 Crazy.

02:23:32.000 But the rumor was that he was Bill Hicks, that Bill Hicks was actually Alex Jones.

02:23:37.000 That's funny.

02:23:38.000 Crazy.

02:23:38.000 They were both alive at the same time.

02:23:38.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 They're very different people.

02:23:43.000 But it doesn't have to be logical for it to be a good conspiracy.

02:23:47.000 You know, there's people that still think Tupac's alive.

02:23:47.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 Yeah.

02:23:51.000 There's a lot of goofy ass.

02:23:52.000 People think Jim Morrison's alive.

02:23:54.000 Yeah.

02:23:55.000 Who's the other one?

02:23:57.000 Oh, Andy Kaufman, of course.

02:23:58.000 Oh, right.

02:23:59.000 I had, who was his sidekick?

02:24:02.000 Andy Kaufman's sidekick?

02:24:05.000 Bob Zamuda.

02:24:06.000 Bob Zamuda, yeah.

02:24:07.000 So I had Bob Zamuda.

02:24:09.000 He had written a book about Andy Kaufman and claiming he's still alive.

02:24:12.000 So he comes over to my, I was doing my show in my garage at that point.

02:24:17.000 And he comes over and about 45 minutes into the podcast, I go, I go, so how does Andy's family feel about you saying this stuff about him still being alive?

02:24:29.000 And he's like, oh, they're fine with that.

02:24:31.000 I said, I kind of heard that they're, you know, a little myth, that they, they think it's disrespectful.

02:24:35.000 He's clearly dead.

02:24:37.000 So we go back and forth, and it gets super heated.

02:24:41.000 And he flips out and he throws his chair over and he fucking storms out.

02:24:46.000 And that was the end of the podcast.

02:24:48.000 And I was just like, all right, that was weird.

02:24:50.000 And I'm here to announce for the first time that was a fake.

02:24:57.000 It was an Andy Kaufman-esque stunt.

02:25:00.000 Really?

02:25:00.000 That he flipped out and left the podcast.

02:25:02.000 And you never talked about it?

02:25:03.000 Nope.

02:25:04.000 We did it in the spirit of Andy Kaufman.

02:25:08.000 And people were probably like, oh my God, this was 30 years ago asking about it.

02:25:12.000 Bob Zamuda meltdown on Greg Fitzimmon's podcast.

02:25:15.000 A very interesting conversation.

02:25:16.000 But when it escalates at the end, it just blows up.

02:25:18.000 Question, real or Kaufman-esque stunt.

02:25:22.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:25:24.000 And you kept it under wraps.

02:25:24.000 That's funny.

02:25:26.000 I've never talked about it.

02:25:27.000 That's funny.

02:25:28.000 Yeah.

02:25:29.000 Well, that makes sense with Zamuda. 1.00

02:25:30.000 He would do that Tony Clifton character.

02:25:33.000 Yeah, and he would dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton and do, you know, do appearances.

02:25:33.000 Oh, my God.

02:25:39.000 Well, yeah, Andy would say, I'm coming to Vegas to do the Tony Clifton character.

02:25:44.000 And then Zamuda would be the one doing it.

02:25:47.000 And people always would be going like, what the fuck?

02:25:49.000 I just paid $150 to see Andy Kaufman.

02:25:55.000 Yeah, he did a lot of odd stuff.

02:25:57.000 Yeah.

02:25:58.000 Remember when he worked as a waiter at Jerry's Famous Deli?

02:26:00.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

02:26:01.000 Oh, no, he worked as a busboy.

02:26:02.000 There's a photo of him on the wall while he was on taxi.

02:26:06.000 So he was on the biggest television show in the country.

02:26:09.000 Yeah.

02:26:09.000 And he had like an apron on, and he was carrying a fucking dish tray filled with like people's dirty dishes.

02:26:18.000 Yeah.

02:26:18.000 Wow.

02:26:19.000 That photo.

02:26:20.000 That photo was on the wall at Jerry's Famous Deli.

02:26:20.000 Look at that photo.

02:26:25.000 Andy Kaufman worked there.

02:26:26.000 So he was on TV.

02:26:27.000 He was a huge star.

02:26:28.000 And you would go and order a pastrami Rubin and Andy Kaufman would clean your table.

02:26:32.000 Yeah.

02:26:34.000 What about the wrestling women was genius? 1.00

02:26:37.000 Oh, he did a lot of nutty shit.

02:26:38.000 Dude, he locked into that character.

02:26:41.000 People went nuts.

02:26:42.000 Is that a video?

02:26:43.000 I think so.

02:26:43.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:26:45.000 Well, there's a documentary about it.

02:26:47.000 That's what was just popping up.

02:26:48.000 Of him working at Jerry's Dell?

02:26:50.000 You have to see him.

02:26:51.000 This is, I guess, a trailer for it.

02:26:53.000 Oh, so it's just a documentary about him.

02:26:56.000 He was a nut, man.

02:26:58.000 That was the one movie where, like, a lot of people kind of freaked out about Jim Carrey.

02:27:04.000 Where he kind of got way too into that role and sort of like almost seemed to embody.

02:27:11.000 Andy Kaufman.

02:27:12.000 Oh, he talked about that.

02:27:13.000 It fucked him up afterwards.

02:27:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:27:16.000 And offstage, he acted like an asshole to people.

02:27:20.000 How weird.

02:27:21.000 Which is not like him.

02:27:22.000 Right.

02:27:22.000 How weird.

02:27:22.000 Yeah.

02:27:23.000 Yeah.

02:27:24.000 That whole method acting thing, like becoming a person, especially an actual human where you have to sort of like figure out their brain patterns and their behavior patterns and imitate it.

02:27:35.000 And then you get trapped in it.

02:27:37.000 Yeah.

02:27:38.000 Well.

02:27:39.000 Segura was in talks to play Samuda in a movie.

02:27:43.000 Oh, wow.

02:27:43.000 Recently?

02:27:44.000 That's what this article is about.

02:27:46.000 About that.

02:27:47.000 This is very confusing because I saw it when I had that up.

02:27:50.000 I saw this screenshot.

02:27:51.000 I'm like, why is Tom in that?

02:27:52.000 Oh, interesting.

02:27:54.000 Yeah, this article from 2024.

02:27:56.000 Oh, interesting.

02:27:59.000 I don't know what happened to it.

02:28:00.000 Doesn't seem like much.

02:28:01.000 Yeah.

02:28:02.000 That's all.

02:28:04.000 There's a good documentary.

02:28:05.000 It just came out last week on Mel Brooks.

02:28:09.000 I mean, you can't understate Mel Brooks' effect on every, whether you're a comedian or a writer or a comedy director.

02:28:17.000 That guy just, I mean, when I was a kid, my dad used to play 2,000-year-old man for me, those albums with Rob Reiner.

02:28:25.000 I'm sorry, Carl Reiner.

02:28:27.000 And I was obsessed.

02:28:28.000 And the producers was my father's favorite movie.

02:28:30.000 It became my favorite movie.

02:28:32.000 And, you know, you just think about like how fucking your show of shows as a writer early on and, you know, and just going on to do Frankenstein.

02:28:44.000 Blazing Saddles.

02:28:45.000 Blazing Saddles.

02:28:46.000 You know who the movie talks about, you know who wrote Blazing Saddles with him?

02:28:50.000 Richard Pryor.

02:28:50.000 Who?

02:28:51.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:28:52.000 Isn't that fucking crazy?

02:28:53.000 He was supposed to play the sheriff.

02:28:55.000 Wow.

02:28:57.000 Spaceballs.

02:28:58.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:29:00.000 But it's a two-part documentary.

02:29:02.000 I only saw the first half.

02:29:03.000 Spaceballs is the reason why Tesla's Model S is called The Plaid.

02:29:08.000 Really?

02:29:08.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:10.000 And it's also the reason why the Starship is shaped the way it is at the tip.

02:29:14.000 Like Elon wanted it to be like Spaceballs.

02:29:15.000 He's like, make it more pointy.

02:29:17.000 Uh-huh.

02:29:18.000 Oh, that's funny.

02:29:20.000 He loves Spaceballs.

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:22.000 That's so funny.

02:29:23.000 Oh, yeah, that would be perfect for him.

02:29:25.000 Of course.

02:29:26.000 Wow.

02:29:27.000 Yeah.

02:29:27.000 Of course.

02:29:28.000 Of course.

02:29:29.000 Are you going to get an optimist when he comes out?

02:29:31.000 You're going to have a robot companion in your home?

02:29:33.000 Oh, hell yeah.

02:29:34.000 Why wouldn't you?

02:29:35.000 Because I don't want a robot in my house.

02:29:36.000 It's like connected.

02:29:38.000 I don't have Alexa.

02:29:39.000 I don't have anything in my home.

02:29:41.000 I don't have any speakers that can listen to me because they are listening.

02:29:44.000 They're whistling.

02:29:45.000 Dude, how often are you talking about, like, I started getting Austin feeds, little videos in my Instagram feed about Austin?

02:29:54.000 I never get those.

02:29:55.000 I started getting them yesterday.

02:29:57.000 The fuck is that?

02:29:58.000 Didn't know you're coming.

02:29:59.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Well, wasn't there a lawsuit that Google had to just recently settle where it turned out that there were certain times where your phone was listening to you, which is why you're getting ads for things that you had discussed?

02:30:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:14.000 Happens all the time.

02:30:15.000 But it was a rumor for a long time.

02:30:18.000 That's just a conspiracy theory.

02:30:19.000 Like, people are like, this seems weird.

02:30:22.000 Google settled $68 million in class action over alleged recording of private conversations.

02:30:26.000 That's nothing.

02:30:27.000 Yeah, that's very small.

02:30:28.000 That's nothing.

02:30:29.000 Yeah.

02:30:29.000 So what is it?

02:30:30.000 What was the accusation?

02:30:32.000 They have agreed to pay $68 million to settle a class action lawsuit alleging they unlawfully recorded users' conversations through Google Assist-enabled devices without consent.

02:30:42.000 The proposed Google settlement is pending approval from a federal judge, U.S. District Court for Northern District of California.

02:30:49.000 Class action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after consumers accused Google of concealing that its assistant-enabled devices could unintentionally activate and record conversations inside users' homes.

02:31:01.000 So that's just for that.

02:31:02.000 But that's like did not intentionally activate it with a hot word such as, hey, Google, because it's listening to you all the time.

02:31:11.000 So it's listening for you to say, hey, Google.

02:31:13.000 But that's, you know, that's just Google assistant devices.

02:31:17.000 I don't have one of those.

02:31:19.000 But yet, my phone will bring up suggestions and ads for things that I've discussed that I haven't looked up.

02:31:25.000 Just have conversations about it and it'll pop up.

02:31:29.000 That's crazy.

02:31:30.000 I don't think they would tell you.

02:31:31.000 I think it's all metadata.

02:31:32.000 It's all hidden.

02:31:34.000 There's no way to know.

02:31:35.000 And we all know.

02:31:36.000 We all kind of know.

02:31:38.000 And, you know, people go like, well, I'm not, I don't, I'm not a criminal.

02:31:42.000 I got nothing to hide.

02:31:43.000 Yeah, but you don't understand the ramifications of this information.

02:31:46.000 If somebody is in office and they want to start using keywords to locate people that they're going to have audited, like they just, some woman got was protesting ICE, and you know, they've got this facial recognition software that lets them know your name, your address.

02:32:03.000 Is that Palantir?

02:32:04.000 Is that what they're using?

02:32:05.000 Something.

02:32:05.000 No, it's not Palantir.

02:32:07.000 It's something like that.

02:32:08.000 But this woman went to the airport. 1.00

02:32:09.000 Her TSA was canceled.

02:32:11.000 What?

02:32:12.000 Yeah.

02:32:13.000 What?

02:32:13.000 Because she was a protester?

02:32:14.000 Yep.

02:32:15.000 Yep.

02:32:15.000 That's it?

02:32:16.000 Just protesting.

02:32:17.000 Yep.

02:32:17.000 Really?

02:32:18.000 No, they're taking your license plate.

02:32:21.000 They're taking people's faces and they're running it through.

02:32:24.000 They had one woman went from a protest to her house and there was a car parked out front with ICE agents in it saying, we know where you live.

02:32:33.000 What?

02:32:34.000 Yeah.

02:32:36.000 That's all she did was go to a protest? 0.69

02:32:38.000 That's it.

02:32:38.000 Yep.

02:32:39.000 I mean, I'm sure she interacted.

02:32:40.000 She was probably yelling out or whatever. 0.83

02:32:42.000 She wasn't a part of the organizers of the protest or anything like that because maybe she was an organizer.

02:32:46.000 This is the weird thing: the organizer, the signal chats and everything.

02:32:50.000 This is all being very coordinated and very funded.

02:32:55.000 This is a very coordinated thing, like what they're doing, where they're doxing these ICE agents, and the whole thing is all very fucking weird.

02:33:04.000 The point about the Google stuff, though, is people that go, oh, I'm not doing anything illegal.

02:33:10.000 You are giving them your data, and that data is a commodity, and they are getting insanely wealthy off of getting your data in an unscrupulous way.

02:33:21.000 They're not telling you they're doing this thing, and they're getting your data.

02:33:25.000 And that data is making them insanely wealthy.

02:33:27.000 And then they use that wealth in a bunch of different ways to influence all sorts of things in the world.

02:33:33.000 And that's what's going on.

02:33:34.000 Nobody ever thought that their data was going to be a commodity.

02:33:37.000 Nobody ever gave a fuck about their email address or what they're interested in online.

02:33:42.000 But it turns out that's fucking insanely valuable to advertisers.

02:33:47.000 And that's it's also like, you know, they're listening.

02:33:51.000 You know, they're listening.

02:33:52.000 They're listening to things.

02:33:54.000 Yeah, they're listening.

02:33:56.000 And yeah, it's, it's, it, there's people now using ChatGPT to do therapy.

02:34:03.000 Have you heard about that?

02:34:04.000 Yeah.

02:34:05.000 Yeah.

02:34:05.000 But meanwhile, you want to put your might tell you to kill yourself like that.

02:34:08.000 Not only that, but you're telling your innermost embarrassing things.

02:34:12.000 You think that's not going to be used against you at some point when you try to get health insurance and health insurance has now audited what you said to ChatGPT and goes, well, you're a suicide risk or you're talking about trying to quit smoking.

02:34:24.000 Now we know you're smoking.

02:34:25.000 Any details?

02:34:27.000 Wasn't there an instance real recently where someone had uploaded top secret information to ChatGPT to a public, a government official had, see if you can find this.

02:34:39.000 Government official uploaded to a public chat GPT, not like some secure, encrypted version that the government gets because they were trying to go over some data.

02:34:51.000 Here it is.

02:34:51.000 U.S. cyber defense chief accidentally uploaded secret government info to ChatGPT.

02:34:58.000 Jesus.

02:34:59.000 So they grilled the acting chief on a mass layoffs and a failed polygraph.

02:35:03.000 Failed polygraph?

02:35:04.000 That's hilarious.

02:35:06.000 So this guy, good luck saying his name, accidentally uploaded sensitive information to a public version of ChatGPT last summer.

02:35:14.000 Accidentally, according to four Department of Homeland Security officials with knowledge of the incident, try to say that guy's name.

02:35:21.000 Got him akula.

02:35:22.000 Is that it?

02:35:24.000 Got him akula.

02:35:25.000 Got him akula.

02:35:25.000 Okay.

02:35:26.000 Who plays defense for the Rams?

02:35:28.000 Uploads.

02:35:29.000 See, a fucking big Polish guy. 1.00

02:35:32.000 Uploads of sensitive CISA contracting documents triggered multiple internal cybersecurity warnings designed to stop theft or unintentional disclosure of government material from federal networks.

02:35:46.000 And this fucking guy's the director of cybersecurity and infrastructure security.

02:35:52.000 Well, what does it mean accidentally upload?

02:35:54.000 Did it eavesdrop on him or did he say something that caused ChatGPT to get it?

02:36:01.000 It seems like he uploaded the data.

02:36:03.000 Like he was probably trying to parse out the data.

02:36:05.000 He was just hired to see, or just joined the agency.

02:36:08.000 Oh, great.

02:36:11.000 Oh, my God.

02:36:12.000 The information was not confidential, but marked for official use only.

02:36:16.000 Oh, dude, I feel like Russia and China know everything.

02:36:23.000 And we know everything.

02:36:23.000 And we know everything about Russia and China.

02:36:25.000 Right.

02:36:26.000 And they're all ratting on each other.

02:36:28.000 Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid.

02:36:32.000 Yeah.

02:36:32.000 So it is Palantir, at least for that.

02:36:36.000 The article he had, it was blocked by a paywall.

02:36:38.000 I couldn't.

02:36:38.000 I was trying to get around.

02:36:40.000 Nuts.

02:36:41.000 Joe Rogan experience.

02:36:42.000 Can't afford to pay for it.

02:36:44.000 We're wrapping it up.

02:36:44.000 Is this it?

02:36:45.000 Let's wrap this picture up.

02:36:46.000 No.

02:36:46.000 It's 4 o'clock.

02:36:47.000 Can I name some dates?

02:36:48.000 Fuck yeah.

02:36:49.000 I will be at the Philadelphia Hill Aim, as I said, Valentine's Day weekend.

02:36:54.000 Great fucking club.

02:36:55.000 I'm going to be in Sacramento at the Punchline next week, and then I'm going to be in Lexington, Kentucky at Comedy Off Broadway.

02:37:01.000 Fucking club.

02:37:02.000 And this is GregFitzSimmons.com.

02:37:05.000 Go to the link for stand-up dates, plenty of gigs.

02:37:08.000 The podcast are Sunday Papers with Mike Gibbons, which, oh, by the way, thank you for the shout out.

02:37:13.000 You and Bert Kreischer gave me a little love bath yesterday.

02:37:17.000 That was nice.

02:37:18.000 So, yeah, he was talking about Sunday papers I've been doing with Mike for a long time.

02:37:21.000 And then FitzDog Radio that you've been on many times.

02:37:24.000 Yee fucking ha.

02:37:26.000 We're going to wrap it up.

02:37:26.000 All right.

02:37:27.000 You're at the mothership this weekend.

02:37:28.000 I'm very excited about that.

02:37:30.000 Fuck yeah.

02:37:30.000 You're going to come down?

02:37:31.000 Fuck yeah.

02:37:32.000 All right.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 31, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

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