In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about the massive amount of loot that's been going on in Peru over the last 20 years, and how much looters are getting away with it. He also talks about some of the things he's found at these sites.
00:01:32.000I would add the biggest amount of looting happened.
00:01:35.000It's actually died down some, but the end of the 20, so 1980s to 2010s, I would say.
00:01:42.000That's what it really like when it really took off.
00:01:47.000And you can tell from the trash that's left there, like cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s, soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.
00:01:56.000How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave trash.
00:01:59.000Dude, they've become landfills of human remains.
00:02:05.000This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's eight full kilometers of just, it looks like the moon.
00:02:14.000Every single location has been looted.
00:02:16.000And I was like, I got to go up there and see what this looks like.
00:02:46.000For some sort of metallurgy, like on the person themselves.
00:02:51.000The unfortunate thing is, I mean, all you'll see is you'll just see these bones littered across the landscape with broken pieces of pottery.
00:03:26.000But I know very little about Peru other than, you know, obviously the Nazca Lines, the mummies, all these different things, the mystery of the place.
00:04:56.000I actually met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of the Artesanales where they're selling ancient goods.
00:05:04.000Well, some of them have real things that they go out and they loot.
00:05:07.000And I mean, this is one of the things I've been thinking about, like for the future, like what can be done about this because the government, nobody from the government's going out there.
00:05:19.000And so, these things end up in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery, things that you would see in museums.
00:05:28.000It's just nobody from that official administration is taking the trip to go out there and preserve these things.
00:05:35.000It seems like just the ancient civilization of Peru is a massive mystery.
00:05:40.000It seems like there are a lot of uncovered stories in that area.
00:08:00.000So how many times have you been there since?
00:08:02.000Well, growing up, we used to go every year and a half or so, and that's continued into my adulthood.
00:08:07.000It's only been recently, the past two years, that I've been doing what I've been doing, which is like hardcore solo expeditions.
00:08:16.000And so when you look at a site like Machu Picchu or any of these ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional archaeologists attribute?
00:08:30.000I mean, they attribute it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s, early 1500s, I think the Inca were conquered by the Spanish in 1530, I think.
00:08:45.000And so most of that megalithic architecture they attribute to the Inca.
00:08:49.000However, there's evidence that there's a site, Jamie, if you could pull it up.
00:10:02.000So this complex is all attributed to the Wari.
00:10:05.000It's attributed to the culture that came right before the Inca, which doesn't make much sense to me because what you see on the surface, that's Wari construction.
00:10:53.000So this place, if you look, you can find it on Google Maps.
00:10:58.000They call it the El Complejo de Wari, so the Wari complex.
00:11:03.000But if you go back to the Spanish Chronicles, Pedro Ceyza de León, when he was in Tiwanaco, so Tiwanaco, where Pumapunco is in Bolivia, when they ask the natives, you know, who built this, they say, we don't know.
00:11:15.000It was built before us from the people from the lake.
00:12:12.000They don't attribute that to themselves.
00:12:16.000They found it when we cleared the area.
00:12:19.000I mean, you think about it, I've still to this day.
00:12:22.000You know, I was up in Lake Titicaca, and I mean, there's structures all over the place, but you're like, where were these people living?
00:12:29.000And because there's no remnants of cities or towns, and the reason is, is because in modern times, people have recommissioned the blocks and started and use them for their farms and their homes and things like that.
00:12:42.000You have a good location, a place of reverence, you're going to build the next culture is going to build on it.
00:12:49.000And I think that's happened a lot in a lot of places.
00:13:45.000Like with modern machinery, we can't do it.
00:13:49.000I mean, it's I've always when I started this path, you know, I was, you know, Fingerprints of the Gods was one of the first books I picked up.
00:13:59.000My dad had it in his library, and that set me off on a course.
00:14:06.000And the inability to be able to, I don't know, I don't buy the mainstream.
00:14:21.000It feels a little bit lazy, the responses that the mainstream kind of gives to some of this stuff, as opposed to just saying, I don't know.
00:14:33.000Because if it was just lazy, I mean, they've been confronted by all this other alternative archaeology evidence and all these other people that have explored these things and shown.
00:14:45.000And there was always the conventional wisdom that there was no society back then that was capable of doing this.
00:14:51.000So they had to attribute it to more recent societies.
00:14:56.000Then you're like, okay, you guys need to shut the fuck up.
00:14:59.000I mean, there's a power in admitting, like, if we're looking for the truth here, then it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts this that we thought before.
00:17:21.000A lot of it is ego and just really bad personalities.
00:17:24.000You know, these people that are accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed to being in the hierarchy of academia where, you know, you have these tenured professors and then they have the people that are coming up under them and they all follow the same sort of rigid structure.
00:17:41.000And so any heterodox thinkers, anybody who comes in from outside the box just gets shit all over.
00:17:50.000I don't know if this is like a parable or something, but I don't know, some story where there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets stuck and it's backing up traffic and nobody can get through.
00:18:01.000Everybody's trying to figure out what the hell how to get this truck through.
00:18:04.000And just, you know, some farmer walks up and he's just like, take the air out the tires.
00:18:12.000And so the inability to let other people come in with thoughts and opinions, it just, it really, I think it's a real detriment to the study of these things because in my approach to some of the places I've gone, I think it is that, yes, we have research.
00:18:32.000Yes, there is a level of understanding at a lot of these places what happened, but it's also that going into it with a fresh set of eyes.
00:18:41.000You know, sometimes, I mean, I get so locked in my work.
00:20:35.000It's like, so these very recent structures, these very recent establishments, want to be the gatekeepers of information of a vast swath of the world.
00:21:02.000They know a lot about Iraq, all the amazing stuff that they find.
00:21:06.000There's some stuff they've very accurately dated, but it doesn't explain things that you can't explain.
00:21:14.000And they want to try to fit it into the that's what's goofy.
00:21:19.000Yeah, that's, I mean, look, if the puzzle beast doesn't fit, stop trying to force it.
00:21:22.000Well, it's also like more gigantic, spectacular pieces.
00:21:27.000And you're like, well, those aren't important.
00:21:29.000I mean, Ben Van Kirkwick with this most recent discoveries where they're using the ground-penetrating radar to find the labyrinths and this 40-meter-long metallic object that's inside of an atrium down there.
00:23:29.000When Element 115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s.
00:23:34.000I mean, that's why I forget who I was talking to outside, but we were talking about, I think it was talking to Jamie about that, about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things coming from archaeological sites.
00:24:00.000Eric Burleson, our representative, talking about how he's asked the White House to give DOD the power to let them go see this stuff, including a buried UFO.
00:24:13.000Reportedly, an object that is not in this country that is so large it cannot be moved.
00:24:19.000That they've built an entire building around it.
00:24:21.000And I think that I think either Greer or another individual has actually mentioned this site, but I'm not going to mention it because it is a classified location.
00:24:31.000But there is a really apparent, there's reported a really large object.
00:24:37.000And that's one of the locations that I'm requesting to get to.
00:24:41.000It's going to involve a lot to get to make that happen, but that may be the final destination.
00:24:47.000Shit like that makes me want to run for president.
00:24:49.000Because that's all I would care about.
00:25:19.000But it definitely seems like I don't know about the evidence, you know, because it's just stories.
00:25:29.000And that's the problem is that a lot of this stuff, and this is how I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast and talk to me, you know, supposed whistleblowers.
00:25:37.000Some of them I think are legitimate, and some of them I think are disinformation specialists.
00:25:42.000I think they're designed to muddy up the water.
00:25:44.000And this is what, you know, what they're saying is designed to muddy up the water.
00:25:49.000They're trying to make a lot of this stuff look silly and push certain narratives and just create confusion.
00:25:55.000And I think a lot of it is probably some black budget, weird science stuff that we have.
00:26:03.000But then it begs the question: where'd you get that?
00:26:08.000Is that really like the Diana Pasalka work where she's talking about essentially these things are donations and that we're supposed to take these things and try to figure it out?
00:26:19.000And then you look at some of the creation of some different inventions that happened very quickly after Roswell.
00:26:28.000Our civilization just, I mean, just been on a boom ever since.
00:26:46.000I mean, I try to stick with what I evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it just gets so murky.
00:26:56.000Like you said, all of this gets so murky that I don't know how the truth would even land.
00:27:05.000Well, the truth would have to land if there was an overall comprehensive effort by all of the world governments.
00:27:15.000And there would have to be some sort of unity in this and some sort of a recognition that this is really important for the entire human population to understand our past.
00:27:26.000And if this is nonsense, let's find out that it's nonsense.
00:27:29.000And if this is real, this changes everything.
00:27:33.000And when you look at, just look at the vastness of the cosmos, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that this stuff either came from somewhere else or was here because they were here.
00:27:46.000That there was an advanced civilization here, whether it's our civilization or whatever the hell those mummies are.
00:28:35.000You know, there's the weird ones that are mummified and they're in the fetal position and you see a structure that doesn't exist in the human body, but it's complete with tendons and ligaments and some of them have eggs inside of them.
00:28:49.000That, Joe, I'm telling you, man, look, I want to believe.
00:29:00.000I think what we're dealing with here are real human beings from the past.
00:29:06.000They are ancient that have been put together.
00:29:10.000Will from Incredible History has done some amazing work with some amazing specialists.
00:29:14.000I mean, people at the top of their field on this stuff, looking at the x-rays and the DICOM files and calling out cuts, calling out incisions that were made, calling out why things don't make sense.
00:29:28.000And for me, the reason I put out my last video on the Nazca mummies is because there's this whole other narrative, too, of where the money is, who's making money off of these things.
00:29:39.000And I think that is there money being made off those little mummies?
00:32:26.000I initially wasn't going to make the video I did, but after spending days staying up doing this research, I couldn't not do it.
00:32:36.000And I found, like, I've been watching the whole Gaia series on this stuff, and I found myself getting entranced by the, like, maybe, maybe, and then, and then also watching the whole reason of putting this stuff out there is like, look, make your own decision, but don't just take in the fantasy.
00:34:07.000The same doctors, the same specialists that are verifying currently the Nazca mummies have been on the same team for the past 20 years verifying other species and specimens that they've alien hybrids and the same people.
00:34:24.000Literally, my whole video, I'm just like, this is what he said in 2007.
00:34:29.000This is what he said about this fake thing in 2012.
00:34:32.000This is what he said about the fake thing in 2017.
00:34:53.000Well, let's find Montserrat and see the Jesse Michael stuff because he went down there and looked at them and they did scans on the bodies.
00:35:03.000And then I have a link to, I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about Montserrat's feet, the x-rays of his feet, and pointing out that's on the spreadsheet.
00:37:33.000Where I thought I saw the raised resection because people were talking about there still being tendons and stuff intact.
00:37:42.000And I would agree that some of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed out, in the correct position, but then some are just missing.
00:37:50.000So if you wanted to elevate the illusion, one of the ways you could do that would be by performing a raised resection.
00:37:58.000And essentially, that's a function-conserving surgery where if you've had damage to your metacarpals or your metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or metatarsal and kind of rearrange your fingers or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to keep your limb functioning.
00:38:16.000So her feet, Montserrat's feet, were just a little bit different where I think they might have used more complex procedure like that versus Maria where her feet just looked more like arts and crafts to my eye.
00:38:30.000So and that's the so Maria came up if these things are hoaxes.
00:38:38.000There is also, if we're just going with that angle, there's a clear evolution of the work that goes into them behind the scenes.
00:38:47.000Like that one came out after the first one.
00:38:48.000The first one got called out on a whole bunch of things.
00:38:51.000All of a sudden, the next iteration doesn't have the same issues.
00:40:50.000Latin American doctors from Peru and journalists from they're afraid to talk about this stuff because things can get violent down there surrounding this topic.
00:41:01.000An article from 2012 about a mummy being stolen, and it goes on to talk about the Ika Mafia.
00:41:15.000And in fact, the guy Mario, who officials have warned about the existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with links throughout Southern America and Europe, and at the time it was $18 million a year in stolen archaeological artifacts, Peru estimated was being taken out of the country.
00:41:32.000So this is all going to wealthy people in other countries that want to have these artifacts in their homes?
00:43:30.000You know, and so that that's and then you see it in Egypt and the hieroglyphs and stuff.
00:43:35.000So I do think like there is you know that there's we've we've labeled things other species with just a bone fragment.
00:43:46.000You know, I'm like there there's there's deserts of these things and I think that if the right study went to them, you might have a separate species if you put the money towards studying this stuff because it's all out there, man.
00:43:59.000It's all right, like a separate branch of the human species?
00:44:19.000And that's the, I don't know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth about it, but it, I mean, either you had whole cultures just doing this, or there's too many of them for it to have just been kind of some elitist practice, I think.
00:45:35.000But that's not elongation of the skull.
00:45:38.000No, but there's an idea that what that trepidation might have done, in the ancient days, they did it to release the evil spirits if somebody was afflicted with some sort of psychosis or something like that.
00:46:19.000It changes the chemical structure of the brain that kind of like a DMT experience, you're open to more things.
00:46:29.000And so an idea is that if you elongated it and had that extra space in the skull for the brain to have more oxygen, I guess, maybe it affects your brain chemistry.
00:48:51.000Like this one's coming up too, but what they're saying is that the metal implant is used after trepination has been done to sort of patch the bone.
00:48:59.000Sometimes that has been documented as happening.
00:49:03.000What kind of metal are they using on your fucking head?
00:49:05.000Well, that's the weird thing too, because that metal has come up in the skull scans on like Montserrat.
00:49:10.000I don't know which one in particular had it, but they're saying it's got like metal that wasn't available.
00:49:15.000What's that one in the lower left-hand corner?
00:49:52.000The Ministry of Culture shut down that museum.
00:49:58.000Oh, the collection often exceptionally elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly around the village of Chongos near Pisco, dating to around 700 BCE to 200 CE.
00:50:14.000His skulls exhibit severe artificial cranial deformation, practice used by elite Paracas culture members to signify status.
00:50:45.000So that looks like it's a lot more volume than a human head.
00:50:49.000The one on the far left, just the one, yeah, either one, the one below it.
00:50:53.000Like that, just the image alone of that.
00:50:56.000How do you get a normal human head to be that large without some sort of stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball and kept pumping it up while they're a baby?
00:51:11.000That's so much bigger than a normal human skull.
00:51:15.000And then you think if it, you know, with the skull binding practice, I mean, is there going to be some form of mental difficulties with that human being now?
00:54:45.000These things are preserved because they're between at most, typically at most 2,000-ish years in that region old.
00:54:56.000They're preserved so well because of the climate there, which is, I mean, when you're going in these barrels, you still see the hair of people.
00:57:38.000But so, and what you see to the right of it is like what kind of looks like burlap is.
00:57:42.000I mean, that's what the mummies were wrapped in.
00:57:44.000They were stuffed with cotton or put in the fetal position, wrapped with textile, then cotton, then more textile and ropes, and that's some of the cotton and wrapping that the grave robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and jewels and things like that.
01:00:03.000And it's a way of giving back to the land, giving back to the ancestors.
01:00:07.000I started doing that with, you know, if I had a soda bottle or something, you pour out some Coca-Cola and pay the land for walking to it and documenting this stuff.
01:00:43.000And that's where they're finding these things intact.
01:00:46.000They're finding these things intact where you can put them into a CT scanner and it's going to show the whole insides.
01:00:57.000Have any paleontologists done or archaeologists brought these skulls and brought them for examination to try to find out if there's intact DNA that can be studied?
01:01:10.000They're supposed to be doing DNA tests on six of the specimens.
01:01:13.000But if you watch my video, you'll see each time they've done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've been a part of before, I imagine the results are going to be the same.
01:01:24.000I mean the elongated skulls with the large eye sockets, things along those lines.
01:01:29.000You know, there is a lot of the bureaucracy of how to go about doing anything with the Ministry of Culture in Peru is so disjointed, you can't get things done.
01:01:46.000I know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to get some sort of official path to do DNA studies on these things.
01:01:54.000And so, I mean, I'm hoping with the work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past that some of those boundaries can be broken, where we can actually get permission to study these things because it's Peru's patrimony.
01:02:08.000You can't just go in there and, you know, that makes sense.
01:02:12.000And so, and it costs money to do those things too.
01:02:15.000And you have to do it in the above-board way.
01:02:19.000And so it's kind of waiting for the okay from them.
01:02:22.000Well, it seems like at the very least, the most bizarre elongated skull should be studied more closely.
01:02:29.000It shouldn't just be like, oh, it's in a museum.
01:03:33.000What I can also share with you is what I believe was the migrational pattern, because these people, like some indigenous people of the Caspian area and Black Sea area, were and are dark red-haired and also very light-skinned and green eyes.
01:03:52.000And this seems to correspond as well with the elongated skulls.
01:03:55.000So I believe one of the things that they're talking about 3,000 years ago, the ancestors of the Paracas decided to leave the area because they were being invaded by someone.
01:04:06.000And so they traveled south through Iraq and Iran to the Persian Gulf.
01:04:10.000And there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually found their way to the coast of Peru.
01:04:25.000With theories like this, I'm like, let's put some effort to peer review this stuff.
01:04:29.000You know, like, let's do the studies that are needed, have multiple universities test these things, come up with the standard set of results.
01:04:58.000Halfway, I would say, only because, look, there's a part of me that also feels for the Ministry of Culture in a way where there's so many sites in Peru that to have eyes everywhere to protect it, to have teams excavating things.
01:05:42.000If you look up Corral, they are, dude, I've done a whole thesis on this.
01:05:49.000Like, I plan to write a, I don't think I'll ever get it peer-reviewed, but I plan to write a paper about my theories on some of the stuff I've found.
01:06:23.000So, all right, let's see if I can condense this.
01:06:27.000This site has, I don't know, eight of these pyramids.
01:06:30.000They're actually all throughout the valley and four valleys around it.
01:06:35.000The earliest one in a separate valley close to this dates back to 4000 BCE.
01:06:41.000It has the remnants of a sunken circular.
01:06:43.000The main thing to keep note of is that sunken circular plaza because it's a feature that you not only see there in those four valleys, but you also see it 200 kilometers north of Peru.
01:06:56.000And what's the conventional explanation for these sunken circular plazas?
01:07:55.000It wasn't until Dr. Ruth Shady in like the 80s and 90s actually put research in and figured out, hey, this is older than everything else we found because they just overlooked it.
01:08:09.000They were just like, we're going to move on.
01:08:10.000When you say no artifacts, like that seems weird to me because why would you make these immense structures and not have a bowl to put rice in?
01:09:23.000I mean, they put in a lot of work, though, excavating, especially that site Corral.
01:09:27.000So you feel like somewhere they would find some sort of an axe head?
01:09:31.000They found the only artifacts of major note are some of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes with carvings on them and the nets, the fishing nets.
01:09:47.000And my whole theory is this was a pocket.
01:10:07.000But there's another place 200 kilometers north in the Chasma Valley.
01:10:11.000And what they have found is underneath the structures that are currently exposed, they found deeper layers of temples with that sunken plaza in this whole other location.
01:10:23.000And those are dating to the same time.
01:10:25.000So I firmly believe that what archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture, I believe it went the whole coast of Peru.
01:10:53.000And so the hard thing about it is, like, you'll have car, you'll have some carvings in Adobe that's been preserved in some of these places.
01:11:01.000So there's some sort of iconography, but there's no writing like the Sumerian.
01:11:07.000The whole thing about Peru is like there was no writing system that we know of.
01:11:13.000There is a theory, and I believe this.
01:11:15.000I believe the kipus, the rope strings with knots, I believe that was a language.
01:11:22.000But the Spanish burnt as soon as the Spanish came over, they burned as many as those things as they could find, and they killed the people who could read them.
01:11:35.000But there's like there's evidence that they would they took some of the Incas to the Spanish court.
01:11:40.000And so there's an Inca in the Spanish court in front of the queen or king reading off of these kipus, reading stories, telling the court from knots on strings.
01:13:58.000The thing about this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying is that a lot of these stories, you're never gonna get the full answer.
01:14:19.000Which is, is that for a person like yourself that studies these places and has dedicated so much time to it, is that in any way frustrating or does it add to the appeal?
01:15:41.000But he walked me through the site, and he, this one, okay, if you pause it, that right there on the bottom right is another one of those temples with the sunken plaza, except that one has monoliths.
01:17:41.000Dude, you're out in the middle of nowhere.
01:17:42.000And if they get caught, they're in deep shit, so they would want to get rid of you.
01:17:46.000And I mean, I know for a fact the way some of these get out of the country is some of these juaqueros have people on the inside who write them certificates and things like that that say, it's a, it's an authentic piece that has been owned by the family for this long, so they can get it out of the country to whoever they're selling it to that.
01:18:08.000That's how it works um, what's a bigger problem though recently, after talking to several archaeologists and Witnessing it myself, is agriculture, agriculture.
01:18:20.000They actually went to I went to a couple sites that I found this by mistake looking on Google Earth.
01:18:28.000So I would find a site and I would like roll the satellite date back because sometimes different seasons give you better imagery.
01:19:09.000But here, here's another peculiar thing.
01:19:12.000This last expedition, so I found one of these sites and I'm on camera and I'm ready to go in like guns ablaze and like, how dare you do this?
01:20:20.000You know, and so, and then I don't know how you empower these people because from where I sit is at least if you could document it, then you'd have a record of it.
01:20:31.000You know, that's that's what I'm trying to do when I go out there, create 3D models and put it, put pins on a map or something like that.
01:20:38.000You know, so it's a tricky situation to try to figure out.
01:20:43.000What's the most compelling site in Peru for you?
01:25:39.000I mean, imagine the amount of effort it would take for a human being banging a rock against another rock to try to do that and then to make it flat.
01:26:49.000mean it's um it's a lot of work you know and and it's just it's something in me that i've well it's it's obviously very compelling to everyone that really pays attention to is this the that's when you look on the the satellite oh And again, this is the thing.
01:27:08.000This is not like they put some rocks in place.
01:27:11.000They carved these things out of the bedrock, and they're fucking huge.
01:27:31.000And what happened to this area where they had so much sophisticated, complex construction that was absolutely abandoned, and there's almost nothing left.
01:27:45.000So they, over the course of history, what they've found is that, especially, people like to build on the coast, and there's just up and down the coast of Peru.
01:28:12.000You have the coast, and then the Andes just start.
01:28:15.000You know, they just start going up until you get to, you know, the before you start getting into the Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes.
01:28:25.000And so for several hundred years, they would live further up the valley, and then they would come back and repopulate on the coast and build on top of the sites that used to be there.
01:28:37.000And then it would happen again, and they would go back.
01:28:39.000And so there's this whole cycle of, and there's some places where you will find that direct, it's very hard to find megalithic stuff, though, like the stuff you're finding in Cuzco, for example, on the coast.
01:29:52.000I go back pre-Cataclysm, the Youngadryas.
01:29:57.000There's evidence on like Waca Prieta that there was this mound that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom DeLehay and his team excavated, and that academically accepted dates back to 12,500 BCE.
01:30:11.000And so there were people living on the coast at that time.
01:30:14.000So this mound, what does that look like?
01:30:17.000There's a it looks just like a this is an interesting site.
01:30:33.000And so what they found was they would use their refuse and so they would put trash on top of the mound and then cap it with like adobe mud so it would become strong.
01:32:12.000So, I mean, I don't think it takes much.
01:32:15.000I think if you're living on the coast or, I don't know, by any sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating on it, you're like, huh, all right.
01:32:23.000Well, then a thousand years go by and you have at that point put some pieces of wood together to make a flotation device, you're able to navigate.
01:32:31.000Like, I just, I don't see it not happening, you know, eventually.
01:33:17.000It just, when you see stuff like this that's that old, that's 15,000 years old, you go, okay, well, this is all that's left from 15,000 years ago.
01:33:36.000But if you went another 15 before that, are we talking, what is that?
01:33:40.000And that's why I'm like, with the stuff Biondi is doing with the SAR tech, I'm just hoping that that can be affordable and applied in multiple areas to find things that are buried underground.
01:33:58.000One thing that I've always been curious about why there hasn't been more research until I looked into it.
01:34:04.000All these places were on the coast of Peru.
01:34:06.000Well, sea levels were lower at one point.
01:34:19.000Apparently the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to – this is what I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody studied this?
01:34:27.000Apparently, the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to do research out there where it becomes very expensive for the equipment you need and things like that.
01:34:34.000But I guarantee that you'll find some stuff off the coast.
01:35:15.000You would think you might want to have an open, just leave some room and the young archaeologists are.
01:35:20.000I think there's a lot of young archaeologists that have grown up with the internet and they're really paying attention to this stuff and they're realizing.
01:35:27.000And also, when you're young and you grow up with the internet, you realize like gatekeepers of information are a real problem and they always have been.
01:35:35.000And they're wrong about so many things.
01:35:37.000I mean, they're wrong about virtually everything.
01:35:39.000The official narrative of almost everything has holes in it.
01:35:43.000I'm like, something you said earlier, too.
01:35:46.000Like this age of study and exploration and radio carbon, it's not that old.
01:35:54.000We've only been doing this type of research for 100 years with some of the new advancements.
01:35:59.000Like you don't think something else is going to come along that might knock that out?
01:36:10.000But, you know, no need to focus on the dicks.
01:36:12.000But that's why things like Filippo Bionde's work is so devastating to the narrative.
01:36:20.000Because this new technology, and if it shows that it's accurate, and it is accurate on things that we know exist, that's where it gets really crazy.
01:36:28.000Especially when they looked 1.2 kilometers through a mountain to find the particle collider underneath and got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle collider.
01:36:56.000And I think one of the reasons why it's going to happen is because of the internet, is because just the pressure and the amount of interest.
01:37:36.000Also, those shafts that go down that are filled with debris now that they can clear out, and it leads to what at least this data shows: tunnels and caverns and all this shit that's underneath there.
01:39:40.000It's just a matter of people have to find out about it.
01:39:43.000And then, I mean, YouTube's a great way.
01:39:45.000The algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll recommend, I'll watch one of your videos and it'll recommend something else interesting, you know, and then it just keeps going on and on and on.
01:39:55.000Well, and so I came back from that first expedition.
01:40:04.000And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year and a half until this expedition now.
01:40:09.000And I was out on this last expedition for 42 days all over the country.
01:40:14.000And I mean, the video you were talking about when we first started talking, that is, too, the only, there's no drone footage of that site ever.
01:40:25.000There is one Facebook post with pictures, and that's it.
01:40:29.000And I was like, I have to document this, you know?
01:40:32.000And so much from the last expedition is like that.
01:40:37.000It's the only media that you'll see of it.
01:40:41.000And I think these pyramids carved into the bedrock that you're the only one that has media that is just absolutely insane.
01:41:10.000So actually, what's interesting is it is being, there's a lot of evidence to say that some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal because they're finding a lot of the tombs of these queens right there on the coast.
01:42:27.0003,000 BC is what they say it goes back to, but they say it wasn't developed until modern day, like 200 to 600 AD, which is a 3,600 years of nothing.
01:42:37.000So it was, I believe it was the Moche.
01:42:39.0001990, this one was found, and a Peruvian banker is the guy.
01:42:43.000It says it's philanthropically minded, I can say it.
01:43:14.000It's called The Lord of Cipan, where archaeologists literally had to stand guard.
01:43:21.000The townspeople weren't happy that when the archaeologists got involved and the townspeople were coming to get the gold and coming to get the silver.
01:43:35.000If they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold and silver in the ground, fuck these archaeologists.
01:43:43.000Well, and some of the earliest, a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums, like the Larco Herrera Museum.
01:43:54.000A lot of this stuff, a lot of the pottery is preserved because you had these big plantation owners, these big technocrats, and their workers in the field would constantly be finding this artwork and these wakas.
01:44:10.000And so they were like, you know what, I'll give you $2 every time you bring me one.
01:44:14.000And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum full of this stuff.
01:44:20.000And I was talking to Dr. Ed Barnhart about this.
01:44:23.000There's also so much in Peru that the people finding these things, they aren't.
01:44:28.000Maybe nowadays they're making a lot on stuff, but for the past couple decades, there was just so much.
01:44:36.000You're getting $3 for if you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving this thing up the ladder, you're getting $3 for a little piece of pottery.
01:44:51.000How long have you been doing this for?
01:44:54.000I mean, what I've been with the channel, two years.
01:46:17.000And all I have to go off of is what this made me happy is like, and I have it on the video if I'm talking to the camera.
01:46:25.000I'm like, I think this, I think that, I think this car.
01:46:28.000And that survey verified every little thing that I, which was like pretty cool because I'm not, you know, academically trained to, you know, analyze these things, but I have the experience.
01:46:40.000And so it was kind of neat that every bullet point was verified by that survey.
01:46:45.000The feeling I got going to that place, that place in particular, I don't think they're going to find pottery there.
01:46:53.000I don't think they're going to, I think it was pre-ceramic, but I also think there weren't houses.
01:46:58.000There weren't, there might be, you know, if you go digging or do some LIDAR.
01:47:41.000But I mean, I feel different down there.
01:47:44.000And especially going in these far-out places.
01:47:46.000And when you get to some of these sites, you feel a little different.
01:47:51.000And so just kind of the intuitive impression I got was, I wonder if people were coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because there aren't houses there.
01:48:01.000There's no evidence of people living there.
01:48:06.000That's the problem when you're seeing something that's the amount of work that would take to carve something out of bedrock, like those pyramids.
01:48:16.000And how many of those pyramids did you find?
01:49:17.000Same with, same with, I think also, like, I think that little alcove where all the burials were, I think that got preserved because it was behind this mountain.
01:49:29.000I think if there was any civilization there prior that might have been living there, all the bones that were there on, they're gone.
01:49:58.000The thing that gave it away on that site in particular is when you look aerially, every single one of those pyramid structures is facing northeast, every single one.
01:50:08.000And that's for the sunrise on the solstice.
01:51:00.000John just sent me some photos of a new site that they have that's under all these other sites, like deep under all these other sites, where they're finding not just bone, but charred bone, like an entire area of like burnt tusks, burnt bones covered.
01:51:22.000And he thinks there was another impact.
01:51:25.000And, you know, just, I mean, he's just making a rough estimation because some of the sites that he found, it's somewhere around 10,000 years ago due to like, you know, doing the examination of the cores.
01:51:40.000So he thinks this is probably a normal thing that has happened all throughout the history of the earth as the earth gets pelted, you know, every 10,000, every 20,000, whatever.
01:53:17.000toxic and and it's like at the end of the day people are going people look you can have all the evidence saying this one thing and everybody agrees You're going to have this group that is like, well, no, for this reason.
01:53:31.000And then, and it's the same thing on the other side, too.
01:53:33.000And so it's just this, this, social media is this, what I'm seeing is just this weird loop of confirmation bias and bitchiness and anger and arguments and infighting and attacks.
01:53:48.000And I just think that it's altering the collective psychological foundation of our society.
01:54:53.000So I just stopped, you know, and but the level of defensiveness, the level of attacks, the level of, and it's not even, at some points, it's not even just taking things personally.
01:56:10.000There's so much interesting content on YouTube about everything.
01:56:14.000I mean it's just like – We're living in – I mean this is an incredible age where – I mean I feel fortunate for what I'm doing that there's an audience for it.
01:56:25.000And there's a platform that can allow that to have some reach because some stuff deserves the reach.
01:56:31.000Well, what you're doing is very important.
01:56:54.000Like, how few people know that there was some kind of a complex society that understood the equinoxes, pointing their structure toward it, and not just building them with mud and bricks, but carving it out of the bedrock in a similar shape over and over and over again.
01:57:15.000Like, imagine how much hasn't been found.
01:57:18.000Dude, you just look at the aerial stuff.
01:57:22.000I mean, Joe, I can't, that's just the tip of the iceberg, man.
01:57:26.000Like of the content that I mean, I'm going to places in the middle of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out at this one little section, and then I put the drone in the air and you can see the outline of this whole structure, just a little bump in the sand.
01:58:00.000Because if you think about the ice age, and if all this stuff is pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age, that area is not covered in ice.
01:58:07.000And it's one of the few areas around the equator that's not fucked up.
01:58:11.000And it's one of the few areas where people can thrive.
01:58:13.000So it really makes sense that that would be the area where civilization would not just thrive, but reach very high levels of sophistication where they're able to carve into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures.
01:58:25.000There's interesting evidence that I forget, I was watching, it was on like Discovery or Nagio or something, but there's evidence in the Okukahe desert.
01:58:36.000I mean, they're finding another dark trafficking, illegal trafficking web is like the sale of fossils because they're finding whales in the Okukahe desert.
01:58:48.000That brings me to, I was waiting to find a good point for this.
01:58:50.000They found that they were using whale vertebrae as stools.
01:59:16.000Yeah, the whole thing with the ones they found, 200 tons.
01:59:21.000And so, like, as you were just saying, if they're not buried under tons of ice, then these people could, in theory, have found, you know, lots of these giant in the desert.
02:00:16.000And who knows what other octopus or whatever the fuck else is.
02:00:19.000And what happens to that poop when it fossilizes, you know?
02:00:22.000But no, they're finding that they're, I mean, there is a dark web of trafficking for looking for stuff in the Okukahe desert where they're, where all these prehistoric animal bones are.
02:01:54.000So that, well, that's that's what I saw on Google Earth.
02:01:58.000No, go ahead, continue what you're just saying.
02:01:59.000So you have the corral supe culture down here, and then you have the they found that sunken plaza underneath archaeological sites in chasm way up here.
02:02:10.000So you have these two different, and they're saying they were separate cultures.
02:02:34.000Yeah, and then I went and I needed help from one of the guys in the field to point.
02:02:39.000And a lot of the people in these Pueblos, like, they'll note every now and then you'll get lucky and someone knows the history every now and then.
02:02:47.000More often than not, it's, yeah, there's some ruins right over there.
02:06:58.000Makes sense that if they have these temples and they have, if there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort of a psychedelic ritual involved.
02:07:29.000But there have been times, too, where I'll get there and Google Earth hasn't updated itself and there's a plantation planted over some of it, you know, and it's like people like what used to be here.
02:09:01.000They called the site's lawyers and said that if he continued to protect me, they would kill him along with me and bury us five meters below the ground.
02:10:45.000So they won't let you film in there because too many people go in there and take pictures, and the flash supposedly, so they just, yeah, the flash.
02:10:54.000Dude, but when I went in there, the security guard was right behind me the whole time.
02:10:58.000He knew I was going to try to take a picture.
02:11:00.000Yeah, but you could take a picture with no flash now, especially with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones.
02:11:05.000You could take some really high-resolution photos.
02:11:08.000The guard said not enough people know how to turn it off on their phone.
02:12:10.000Because it seems like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably limited oxygen because you get these caverns and a hole to the top.
02:12:18.000I mean, honestly, I wonder if it's built on some sort of, I don't know, like the Greek sacred energy or Delphi with the gases or something like that.
02:14:18.000Devotees would be led into the maze of pitch black tunnels, eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.
02:14:23.000The worshippers' disorientation, in addition to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro cactus, they were given before entering, only heightened the visual and psychological impact of the sculpture.
02:16:46.000The indigenous people will tell you that, and actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his journals too, like this bird that would take a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock.
02:16:57.000And after a little bit of time, it would create a hole in the rock.
02:17:00.000Like it would help kind of melt the stone.
02:17:02.000Actually, the guy from the video that unregistered megalithic site told me the same story.
02:17:09.000Okay, I know what you're talking about.
02:17:11.000Specific type of plant that has like an acid to it.
02:17:23.000And there's also a paper on it, a peer-reviewed paper by Helmut Tribuch, where he talks about, look, if you mix pyrite from the offshoot of one of these Inkin mines with this plantish material, you can create like an acid that will slightly deform the stone.
02:17:42.000So maybe you would set the stones in place that way.
02:17:45.000Secrets of softened stone, the lost techniques of the Ink from Facebook, so you know it's true.
02:18:20.000It says, the technique to carve and shape the stones remains a mystery.
02:18:24.000According to legends, the gods would have gifted the Incas two magical plants, coke, so coca leaves, which allowed them to withstand pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant that allowed them to soften stones.
02:22:15.000Dude, the people I met on this, just by happenstance, he's the president of the community there, the little Compesino, and took 12 hours out of his day to walk me through this place.
02:26:08.000But when he put that material out, and then I think the Netflix show really started opening up the gates to people exploring this stuff more and just being fascinated by it.
02:26:20.000And then seeking out content like yours.
02:26:22.000And, you know, we're really fortunate now.
02:26:26.000There's quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube that document this kind of stuff.
02:27:24.000And then I'm doing a tour with Mike Collins from Wandering Wolf in the Yucatan, and with Hugh Newman, we're doing a Let me ask you about that.
02:27:32.000What do you think about that sage wall?
02:27:33.000Because he's the guy that goes over the sage wall.