The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky

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00:00:12.000 Bro, Joe, very nice to meet you, brother.

00:00:14.000 It's so good to be here.

00:00:16.000 I have enjoyed your content tremendously online.

00:00:19.000 And I really got into a video this morning that I was watching where you found this megalithic site that was undocumented in Peru.

00:00:27.000 It's incredible that they still have these ancient sites that for whatever reason, it seems like the money that they get gets stolen.

00:00:39.000 Like the money that is supposed to be allocated towards documenting these things and registering these things.

00:00:45.000 People just say, fuck it, I'm going to pocket it.

00:00:49.000 It happens a lot more than you think.

00:00:51.000 It's just hard to believe, man.

00:00:54.000 Some of the stuff that you document is very heartbreaking.

00:00:58.000 Like one of them was when you flew a drone over these ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places that have been looted.

00:01:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:08.000 And it's just all of it.

00:01:10.000 It's just, you see these holes.

00:01:13.000 And when I first saw, I'm like, what is he showing me?

00:01:16.000 And then you're like, these are all spots where someone has dug in and looted.

00:01:22.000 And most of it has been done in this area of Peru over the last 20 years.

00:01:27.000 Over the last 20 years.

00:01:28.000 So from 2006 to 2026, more.

00:01:32.000 I would add the biggest amount of looting happened.

00:01:35.000 It's actually died down some, but the end of the 20, so 1980s to 2010s, I would say.

00:01:42.000 That's what it really like when it really took off.

00:01:47.000 And you can tell from the trash that's left there, like cigarettes that were only produced in the 80s, soda bottles that were only produced in the 90s.

00:01:56.000 How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave trash.

00:01:59.000 Dude, they've become landfills of human remains.

00:02:05.000 This place you're talking about is, I mean, it's eight full kilometers of just, it looks like the moon.

00:02:14.000 Every single location has been looted.

00:02:16.000 And I was like, I got to go up there and see what this looks like.

00:02:19.000 And so.

00:02:20.000 Pull up to the microphone a little bit more.

00:02:22.000 So looting, what are they at at that point in time?

00:02:27.000 I mean, these are hundreds, thousands of years old, these sites.

00:02:30.000 So what are they finding?

00:02:32.000 Well, a lot of the mummies that I – because I found mummies that have been torn apart literally.

00:02:38.000 Like they're – the cotton that they're wrapped in, the textiles that they're wrapped in.

00:02:42.000 I mean, it's just, they've been scavenged.

00:02:44.000 Are they looking for jewels?

00:02:46.000 For some sort of metallurgy, like on the person themselves.

00:02:51.000 The unfortunate thing is, I mean, all you'll see is you'll just see these bones littered across the landscape with broken pieces of pottery.

00:02:59.000 That was also disturbing.

00:03:00.000 How much bones you see everywhere.

00:03:04.000 You see a bone right there.

00:03:06.000 These are all human bones that you just find scattered.

00:03:09.000 That's all cotton, and what we're about to see here is an actual mummy that's been torn apart.

00:03:17.000 This is so sad that there's no protection.

00:03:22.000 Nobody's going out there, man.

00:03:24.000 Nobody.

00:03:25.000 Except for the looters.

00:03:26.000 But I know very little about Peru other than, you know, obviously the Nazca Lines, the mummies, all these different things, the mystery of the place.

00:03:34.000 Can you show on that, please?

00:03:36.000 The video is over.

00:03:37.000 Oh, it's over.

00:03:40.000 There's a couple burial drone statues.

00:03:43.000 But it's just.

00:03:45.000 You go to the top.

00:03:46.000 How big is Peru?

00:03:48.000 I don't even know geographically how large it is.

00:03:50.000 I mean Peru is huge.

00:03:52.000 I mean it takes up – this is another – this is a different looted site.

00:03:58.000 So, this is all this, all of this is in the Paracas-Nazca eco region. 0.88

00:04:04.000 The skulls are just sitting there.

00:04:05.000 So, the looters will oftentimes leave, I don't know, set them up in this fashion.

00:04:13.000 There isn't a site I've gone to where I haven't seen something like set up like this in the end.

00:04:19.000 But so, I pull out to show the scale of it.

00:04:22.000 I mean, every little piece of white you see is some part of a human. 0.96

00:04:28.000 Wow, it's tragic, man.

00:04:34.000 Just so much history lost.

00:04:37.000 And so, does this stuff wind up in private collections?

00:04:42.000 Do museums ever get it?

00:04:44.000 Like, what happens to that stuff?

00:04:46.000 I don't think museums get it at all.

00:04:48.000 It's private, private buyers.

00:04:51.000 I actually met a term is huaquero.

00:04:55.000 It's a grave robber.

00:04:56.000 I actually met one in Miraflores in Lima proper at one of the Artesanales where they're selling ancient goods.

00:05:04.000 Well, some of them have real things that they go out and they loot.

00:05:07.000 And I mean, this is one of the things I've been thinking about, like for the future, like what can be done about this because the government, nobody from the government's going out there.

00:05:19.000 And so, these things end up in private collections, textiles, humans, pottery, things that you would see in museums.

00:05:28.000 It's just nobody from that official administration is taking the trip to go out there and preserve these things.

00:05:35.000 It seems like just the ancient civilization of Peru is a massive mystery.

00:05:40.000 It seems like there are a lot of uncovered stories in that area.

00:05:46.000 Peru is a hotspot.

00:05:47.000 And it doesn't seem like there's an incredible amount of research being done other than by independent people.

00:05:54.000 I mean, so, Joe, there's just so much in Peru.

00:06:00.000 I mean, you throw a stone and you're finding an ancient archaeological site.

00:06:03.000 I mean, they're doing, whenever they do construction, they end up coming across structures or bones.

00:06:09.000 I mean, this last expedition, I went all over the country, and there is no lack of archaeological sites.

00:06:16.000 So, the money and I just, the money it would take to fund research on all these places is just extreme.

00:06:25.000 It's extreme.

00:06:27.000 I think there's a lot of history that goes missed because of what's currently happening.

00:06:33.000 But a lot of times, a lot of the research is focused on what's going to bring tourism.

00:06:38.000 Like Machu Picchu and things along those lines, which is also insane.

00:06:38.000 Right.

00:06:43.000 Phenomenal.

00:06:43.000 Just incredible.

00:06:44.000 Like, that place is like, what, why, how, why'd you build it up here?

00:06:50.000 Fucking nuts.

00:06:51.000 A good friend of mine just actually went, just recently took his family up to Machu Picchu.

00:06:55.000 And he's like, it doesn't even make any sense, man.

00:06:58.000 Dude, Machu Picchu is what started.

00:07:01.000 My family's from Peru, and so I would grow up going there.

00:07:03.000 And I have this back when you were filming with cameras with like a videotape.

00:07:09.000 There's footage of me finding seashells at Machu Picchu when I was like 10 years old.

00:07:15.000 Back then, you could go wherever you wanted.

00:07:16.000 You didn't have to stay on a path.

00:07:18.000 And so I don't know.

00:07:19.000 And for people that don't know, Machu Picchu is like, what, 12,000 above sea level?

00:07:24.000 And so I'm a kid.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 And I mean, I still have the footage, the grainy footage, and I'm showing my dad on the camera.

00:07:29.000 I'm like, dad, dad, look, I found seashells.

00:07:31.000 You know, I saw them inside of they were like glinting in the mud in the wall.

00:07:37.000 And so I took them out.

00:07:38.000 And that's what started this whole process for me.

00:07:41.000 I was just like, it blew my mind that there were seashells way up there.

00:07:44.000 And so I studied about earth cataclysms and ancient history and when sea levels were different.

00:07:51.000 And that just, that's, that is a moment that started kind of this whole path for me.

00:07:55.000 How old were you at the time?

00:07:56.000 10 or 12.

00:07:57.000 Wow.

00:07:59.000 Wow.

00:08:00.000 So how many times have you been there since?

00:08:02.000 Well, growing up, we used to go every year and a half or so, and that's continued into my adulthood.

00:08:07.000 It's only been recently, the past two years, that I've been doing what I've been doing, which is like hardcore solo expeditions.

00:08:16.000 And so when you look at a site like Machu Picchu or any of these ancient sites, what is the timeline that conventional archaeologists attribute?

00:08:30.000 I mean, they attribute it to the Inca, which, you know, late 1400s, early 1500s, I think the Inca were conquered by the Spanish in 1530, I think.

00:08:45.000 And so most of that megalithic architecture they attribute to the Inca.

00:08:49.000 However, there's evidence that there's a site, Jamie, if you could pull it up.

00:08:54.000 It's called Vinya.

00:08:56.000 This place is there's megalithic architecture with precision that goes down 50 feet under this mountain.

00:09:08.000 Check this out.

00:09:11.000 Whoa.

00:09:13.000 Buried so deeply underneath.

00:09:19.000 This is crazy.

00:09:22.000 So I believe they filled in the top to in modern times, but very soon there's going to be a guy who shows us a map.

00:09:33.000 It's incredible.

00:09:35.000 Wow.

00:09:40.000 And so you see very different construction.

00:09:44.000 From the bottom to the top.

00:09:46.000 But that's how it always is, right?

00:09:47.000 The most complex stuff.

00:09:50.000 So that's showing that this architecture here, it goes down 50 feet into this mountain.

00:09:59.000 And what do they think this was?

00:10:02.000 So this complex is all attributed to the Wari.

00:10:05.000 It's attributed to the culture that came right before the Inca, which doesn't make much sense to me because what you see on the surface, that's Wari construction.

00:10:15.000 Which is small stones.

00:10:17.000 Right.

00:10:18.000 What are they held together with?

00:10:20.000 Mud, mortar, mud as mortar.

00:10:25.000 But then, so this site has only been 4% excavated.

00:10:30.000 4%.

00:10:31.000 It's underneath all of it is that type of architecture, which is crazy.

00:10:37.000 So you have mud and mortar with very small stones, and then underneath it you have precision cut megalithic stones.

00:10:45.000 And how big are these stones and where are they supposedly coming from?

00:10:45.000 Yeah.

00:10:50.000 That, so here's a funny story.

00:10:53.000 So this place, if you look, you can find it on Google Maps.

00:10:58.000 They call it the El Complejo de Wari, so the Wari complex.

00:11:03.000 But if you go back to the Spanish Chronicles, Pedro Ceyza de León, when he was in Tiwanaco, so Tiwanaco, where Pumapunco is in Bolivia, when they ask the natives, you know, who built this, they say, we don't know.

00:11:15.000 It was built before us from the people from the lake.

00:11:19.000 The same people who built Vinya.

00:11:21.000 That's what the natives said.

00:11:23.000 That place, Vinya, is 800, 1,000 kilometers from Tiwanaco.

00:11:32.000 And it's the same construction.

00:11:33.000 So it makes sense kind of what they're saying.

00:11:35.000 The people who built Tiwanaco also built this place.

00:11:39.000 But before they know, before they knew that they didn't witness it, they was just there when they got there, is what the locals say.

00:11:46.000 Well, that's a lot of stuff, right?

00:11:47.000 That's part of the weirdness of South America.

00:11:52.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 And, you know, even Mexico, right?

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 That's the weirdness of the Aztec structures.

00:11:59.000 I didn't know that until pretty recently, that the Aztecs labeled Tino Chitlan the place where the gods were born.

00:12:09.000 I didn't know that.

00:12:10.000 Yeah.

00:12:12.000 They don't attribute that to themselves.

00:12:16.000 They found it when we cleared the area.

00:12:19.000 I mean, you think about it, I've still to this day.

00:12:22.000 You know, I was up in Lake Titicaca, and I mean, there's structures all over the place, but you're like, where were these people living?

00:12:29.000 And because there's no remnants of cities or towns, and the reason is, is because in modern times, people have recommissioned the blocks and started and use them for their farms and their homes and things like that.

00:12:42.000 You have a good location, a place of reverence, you're going to build the next culture is going to build on it.

00:12:49.000 And I think that's happened a lot in a lot of places.

00:12:52.000 Yeah.

00:12:53.000 Well, everywhere, right?

00:12:54.000 I mean, that's Lebanon, too.

00:12:56.000 That's Baalbek.

00:12:57.000 It seems to be the case that those immense stones where the Romans built on top of them.

00:13:04.000 The Roman documentation is pretty precise.

00:13:06.000 They documented everything.

00:13:08.000 It never talked about these enormous thousand-ton stones that are seven meters up in the air.

00:13:14.000 We're just going to put them in the base of our structure.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, like what?

00:13:17.000 They didn't even talk about them.

00:13:19.000 They talked about these beautiful structures that are on top of that are clearly Roman, but the stuff underneath it just defies logic.

00:13:28.000 And some of the stones that were never moved and put into place that were cut and quarried, but just never moved.

00:13:35.000 1,600 tons?

00:13:39.000 How?

00:13:40.000 And things you can't replicate nowadays.

00:13:44.000 That's what's crazy.

00:13:45.000 Like with modern machinery, we can't do it.

00:13:49.000 I mean, it's I've always when I started this path, you know, I was, you know, Fingerprints of the Gods was one of the first books I picked up.

00:13:59.000 My dad had it in his library, and that set me off on a course.

00:14:06.000 And the inability to be able to, I don't know, I don't buy the mainstream.

00:14:21.000 It feels a little bit lazy, the responses that the mainstream kind of gives to some of this stuff, as opposed to just saying, I don't know.

00:14:30.000 It's purposely ignorant.

00:14:32.000 It's more than lazy.

00:14:33.000 Because if it was just lazy, I mean, they've been confronted by all this other alternative archaeology evidence and all these other people that have explored these things and shown.

00:14:45.000 And there was always the conventional wisdom that there was no society back then that was capable of doing this.

00:14:51.000 So they had to attribute it to more recent societies.

00:14:53.000 Until Gobek Lee Teban.

00:14:56.000 Then you're like, okay, you guys need to shut the fuck up.

00:14:59.000 I mean, there's a power in admitting, like, if we're looking for the truth here, then it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts this that we thought before.

00:15:10.000 All right, just say that.

00:15:11.000 Right.

00:15:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:12.000 Like, just say it.

00:15:13.000 It's fascinating that they can't.

00:15:15.000 You know, because they are like every other form of academia.

00:15:20.000 They are just like, I mean, you might as well be talking to a gender studies teacher.

00:15:24.000 Just like they don't want to look at reality.

00:15:27.000 They just want their narrative and they want to be the gatekeepers of information.

00:15:33.000 And then they just want to push that narrative forward.

00:15:35.000 And they're so mean.

00:15:37.000 Dude, I only started recently being on X within the past year.

00:15:42.000 And I'm just like, the cattiness of it all, man.

00:15:46.000 Well, it just exposes them.

00:15:48.000 It exposes their personality.

00:15:50.000 And they're just not the type of people that I want to talk to about anything.

00:15:54.000 Especially you're not the gay people. 1.00

00:15:56.000 If you're a 41-year-old person, you're not the gatekeeper of ancient history.

00:16:00.000 You can't be.

00:16:00.000 There's too much.

00:16:02.000 There's too much all over the world.

00:16:04.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:16:05.000 None of it makes sense.

00:16:06.000 And that's, I think, why they're so terrified of people like Felipe Biondi and the scans underneath the pyramids.

00:16:15.000 Because if he's right, and it appears he is, over 200 different independent scans.

00:16:20.000 And they all say the exact same thing.

00:16:22.000 If he's right, you guys are fucked because you're going to eventually have to say, we're wrong.

00:16:30.000 You have a moment here where you can choose which direction to go.

00:16:34.000 Pretty soon that moment's going to be lost.

00:16:38.000 But it's like, this is what the evidence is presented.

00:16:41.000 And like you said, verified over 200 different studies.

00:16:44.000 It's like, all right, we might be wrong.

00:16:46.000 Let's see.

00:16:48.000 Well, let's say they don't want to do it.

00:16:49.000 They don't want to do it.

00:16:50.000 They're still digging their heels in.

00:16:52.000 They're just discrediting themselves, which is fascinating.

00:16:55.000 It's really interesting.

00:16:56.000 It's really interesting to watch these assholes just like flounder.

00:17:00.000 Well, and it makes me think, you know, what's the reason behind it?

00:17:04.000 Is it pride?

00:17:05.000 Is it ego?

00:17:06.000 Is it because you wrote some books on it that you need to keep selling?

00:17:10.000 Is it because it's in textbooks that universities use?

00:17:13.000 I mean, there's a lot of layers to it.

00:17:15.000 It's all the above, but you can tell just by the way they communicate online, a lot of it is ego.

00:17:20.000 Yeah.

00:17:21.000 A lot of it is ego and just really bad personalities.

00:17:24.000 You know, these people that are accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed to being in the hierarchy of academia where, you know, you have these tenured professors and then they have the people that are coming up under them and they all follow the same sort of rigid structure.

00:17:41.000 And so any heterodox thinkers, anybody who comes in from outside the box just gets shit all over.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, there's no open-mindedness.

00:17:50.000 I don't know if this is like a parable or something, but I don't know, some story where there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets stuck and it's backing up traffic and nobody can get through.

00:18:01.000 Everybody's trying to figure out what the hell how to get this truck through.

00:18:04.000 And just, you know, some farmer walks up and he's just like, take the air out the tires.

00:18:10.000 And problem solved.

00:18:12.000 And so the inability to let other people come in with thoughts and opinions, it just, it really, I think it's a real detriment to the study of these things because in my approach to some of the places I've gone, I think it is that, yes, we have research.

00:18:32.000 Yes, there is a level of understanding at a lot of these places what happened, but it's also that going into it with a fresh set of eyes.

00:18:41.000 You know, sometimes, I mean, I get so locked in my work.

00:18:44.000 Sometimes I can't see outside of it.

00:18:46.000 You know, sometimes it takes another party to come in.

00:18:48.000 And then all of a sudden, your mind is blown in a completely different direction.

00:18:53.000 I don't see that level of openness to things on the side of a lot of the mainstream academia when it comes to this stuff.

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00:20:27.000 Well, people have to really understand that the whole concept of being stream academia is only a few hundred years old.

00:20:34.000 And that's what's weird.

00:20:35.000 It's like, so these very recent structures, these very recent establishments, want to be the gatekeepers of information of a vast swath of the world.

00:20:48.000 I mean, it's not possible.

00:20:51.000 It's not possible that you know everything.

00:20:53.000 It's not.

00:20:54.000 I was thinking about that.

00:20:55.000 You know a lot.

00:20:56.000 They know a lot about things they have discovered.

00:20:59.000 They do.

00:21:00.000 They know a lot about Mesopotamia.

00:21:02.000 They know a lot about Iraq, all the amazing stuff that they find.

00:21:06.000 There's some stuff they've very accurately dated, but it doesn't explain things that you can't explain.

00:21:14.000 And they want to try to fit it into the that's what's goofy.

00:21:19.000 Yeah, that's, I mean, look, if the puzzle beast doesn't fit, stop trying to force it.

00:21:22.000 Well, it's also like more gigantic, spectacular pieces.

00:21:27.000 And you're like, well, those aren't important.

00:21:29.000 I mean, Ben Van Kirkwick with this most recent discoveries where they're using the ground-penetrating radar to find the labyrinths and this 40-meter-long metallic object that's inside of an atrium down there.

00:21:44.000 Like, what is that thing?

00:21:45.000 Yeah, I have my.

00:21:46.000 I hope it's something.

00:21:51.000 If they go looking, and I hope they do, and this is the other thing.

00:21:53.000 It's like, let's start putting money towards this, like, now, you know what I mean?

00:21:57.000 Right?

00:21:58.000 Like, figure this out.

00:22:00.000 I don't know why I thought this.

00:22:02.000 I think it might be a meteorite.

00:22:03.000 If it's some sort of metallic thing.

00:22:07.000 40-meter long.

00:22:08.000 I know.

00:22:09.000 That's a fucking civilization ender.

00:22:09.000 I know.

00:22:11.000 But imagine the next civilization coming across that.

00:22:15.000 Hearing the stories.

00:22:17.000 It's like, shit, let's worship this.

00:22:20.000 Let's revere it somehow and put it in an atrium.

00:22:23.000 That's my thought.

00:22:24.000 Exactly.

00:22:25.000 Exactly.

00:22:26.000 Like, there's 40 meters.

00:22:28.000 Yeah, there's a meteorite at Mecca that they all go to touch, which is kind of crazy, right?

00:22:33.000 But completely makes sense, right?

00:22:35.000 Something comes from the sky, it lands, causes chaos, and then you worship it.

00:22:41.000 I mean, that also wasn't one of King Tut's knives was made instead of a meteorite or something like that.

00:22:47.000 I mean, so they were finding these things.

00:22:49.000 40-meter one is pretty big, though.

00:22:51.000 I know, but also tic-tac-shaped.

00:22:55.000 I'm like, so when it comes, I'm just like, let's go.

00:22:55.000 That's the other thing.

00:22:59.000 Let's go.

00:23:00.000 Well, you know, that's part of the Bob Lazar lore.

00:23:04.000 I remember.

00:23:04.000 Bob Lazar said that when he was told that at least one of these things came from an archaeological dig.

00:23:11.000 Like, what?

00:23:13.000 What?

00:23:14.000 What do you mean?

00:23:14.000 He's like, that's what they were telling me.

00:23:16.000 I don't know.

00:23:17.000 But they told me that one of them was from an archaeological dig.

00:23:20.000 So these things are really old.

00:23:22.000 Dude, and his accuracy with some of the element 118.

00:23:26.000 115, something like that.

00:23:27.000 From 1989.

00:23:29.000 When Element 115 wasn't even discovered until the 2000s.

00:23:34.000 I mean, that's why I forget who I was talking to outside, but we were talking about, I think it was talking to Jamie about that, about Bob Lazar talking about some of these things coming from archaeological sites.

00:23:48.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 Let's go find it.

00:23:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:52.000 Well, that's where it gets really weird.

00:23:54.000 Where it gets really weird is these mummies.

00:23:58.000 We're going to go into the mummies.

00:24:00.000 Eric Burleson, our representative, talking about how he's asked the White House to give DOD the power to let them go see this stuff, including a buried UFO.

00:24:13.000 Reportedly, an object that is not in this country that is so large it cannot be moved.

00:24:19.000 That they've built an entire building around it.

00:24:21.000 And I think that I think either Greer or another individual has actually mentioned this site, but I'm not going to mention it because it is a classified location.

00:24:31.000 But there is a really apparent, there's reported a really large object.

00:24:37.000 And that's one of the locations that I'm requesting to get to.

00:24:41.000 It's going to involve a lot to get to make that happen, but that may be the final destination.

00:24:47.000 Shit like that makes me want to run for president.

00:24:49.000 Because that's all I would care about.

00:24:50.000 The economy would be in shambles.

00:24:52.000 I'd be like, show me the UFOs.

00:24:54.000 Do you think they do it?

00:24:56.000 Because I've heard that.

00:24:57.000 They kill me.

00:24:59.000 I mean, on that need-to-know basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents, you know, Kennedy got too close.

00:25:06.000 I don't think that's what they killed Kennedy for, but I think there's a bunch of things.

00:25:11.000 There's a whole lot of layers.

00:25:13.000 Yeah, but the UFO people love to think that it's UFOs.

00:25:16.000 That's why they killed Kennedy.

00:25:17.000 But they think everything's UFOs.

00:25:19.000 But it definitely seems like I don't know about the evidence, you know, because it's just stories.

00:25:29.000 And that's the problem is that a lot of this stuff, and this is how I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast and talk to me, you know, supposed whistleblowers.

00:25:37.000 Some of them I think are legitimate, and some of them I think are disinformation specialists.

00:25:42.000 I think they're designed to muddy up the water.

00:25:44.000 And this is what, you know, what they're saying is designed to muddy up the water.

00:25:48.000 And that's what they're trying to do.

00:25:49.000 They're trying to make a lot of this stuff look silly and push certain narratives and just create confusion.

00:25:55.000 And I think a lot of it is probably some black budget, weird science stuff that we have. 0.94

00:26:03.000 But then it begs the question: where'd you get that?

00:26:08.000 Is that really like the Diana Pasalka work where she's talking about essentially these things are donations and that we're supposed to take these things and try to figure it out?

00:26:19.000 And then you look at some of the creation of some different inventions that happened very quickly after Roswell.

00:26:28.000 Our civilization just, I mean, just been on a boom ever since.

00:26:33.000 Yeah, weird stuff.

00:26:34.000 Like the fiber optic stuff and transistors, just the history of the creation of the transistor and the people that were involved in it.

00:26:43.000 It seems awful fucking fishy.

00:26:46.000 I mean, I try to stick with what I evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it just gets so murky.

00:26:56.000 Like you said, all of this gets so murky that I don't know how the truth would even land.

00:27:05.000 Well, the truth would have to land if there was an overall comprehensive effort by all of the world governments.

00:27:15.000 And there would have to be some sort of unity in this and some sort of a recognition that this is really important for the entire human population to understand our past.

00:27:26.000 And if this is nonsense, let's find out that it's nonsense.

00:27:29.000 And if this is real, this changes everything.

00:27:33.000 And when you look at, just look at the vastness of the cosmos, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that this stuff either came from somewhere else or was here because they were here.

00:27:46.000 That there was an advanced civilization here, whether it's our civilization or whatever the hell those mummies are. 0.99

00:27:54.000 The tridactyl mummies are weak. 1.00

00:27:57.000 That stuff's weird.

00:27:58.000 We can talk about that because I did a deep dive with my friend Will.

00:28:04.000 And there is too much amok going on with these things for me to objectively say that they are what people are claiming them to be.

00:28:17.000 There's too much wrong with the picture.

00:28:20.000 Right.

00:28:21.000 Well, first of all, a lot of them are fake.

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:24.000 For sure.

00:28:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:25.000 A lot of them people have seemingly created with a bunch of different animal bones and human bones and pieced them together.

00:28:33.000 But then there's the weird ones.

00:28:35.000 You know, there's the weird ones that are mummified and they're in the fetal position and you see a structure that doesn't exist in the human body, but it's complete with tendons and ligaments and some of them have eggs inside of them.

00:28:49.000 That, Joe, I'm telling you, man, look, I want to believe.

00:28:53.000 Do you think it's bullshit?

00:28:55.000 I think it is much closer to bullshit than it is.

00:28:58.000 All of them?

00:29:00.000 I think what we're dealing with here are real human beings from the past.

00:29:06.000 They are ancient that have been put together.

00:29:10.000 Will from Incredible History has done some amazing work with some amazing specialists.

00:29:14.000 I mean, people at the top of their field on this stuff, looking at the x-rays and the DICOM files and calling out cuts, calling out incisions that were made, calling out why things don't make sense.

00:29:28.000 And for me, the reason I put out my last video on the Nazca mummies is because there's this whole other narrative, too, of where the money is, who's making money off of these things.

00:29:39.000 And I think that is there money being made off those little mummies? 0.99

00:29:42.000 Oh, I was.

00:29:44.000 Please.

00:29:46.000 You got something?

00:29:46.000 Yeah.

00:29:49.000 So I remember, I forget who you were talking to.

00:29:52.000 It might have been Jesse Michaels, but I remember you saying, you know, these are one of the greatest art projects if they were fake.

00:30:04.000 Well, if you just scroll to the right here, this is what the- That's the goofy one.

00:30:08.000 Yeah, but that's what the Joaquero is selling.

00:30:10.000 He sent that to me personally, the guy selling these things.

00:30:13.000 These goofy ass for people at home.

00:30:17.000 You can't see it?

00:30:18.000 There's a folder on there that has the pictures in the photo.

00:30:22.000 But what is the one that is the female that's in the Maria?

00:30:22.000 These ones.

00:30:27.000 Is that what they're called?

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 Maria is one of them.

00:30:30.000 I mean, so Will had on Dr. William Morrison and Dr. Proctor, Dr. Wilson.

00:30:37.000 I mean, like people in the top of their top of their field analyzing these things.

00:30:44.000 And this is fake as fuck.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, yeah, everybody.

00:30:48.000 You can get this for $15,000.

00:30:50.000 This comes directly from the Joaquero finding these things, by the way.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:55.000 I did like a little undercover thing trying to see what I could lure out of him.

00:31:02.000 This is not particularly compelling to me.

00:31:06.000 But it's in the same class coming from the same place, supposedly the same group of people are providing these things to the ICA Museum.

00:31:17.000 This is where they're having.

00:31:18.000 Monsterat.

00:31:19.000 Is that what the Montserrat, yeah.

00:31:21.000 Montserrat.

00:31:22.000 So these are, like, again, these are not that compelling to me.

00:31:26.000 The small ones, no.

00:31:27.000 The big one.

00:31:28.000 So the big ones, though, are, Gosh, they keep coming out with new specimens.

00:31:34.000 There's a new one, Antonio, who's a teenage boy, except for his feet.

00:31:38.000 His feet have arthritis in them, which indicates that they put the foot bones of another specimen on this thing.

00:31:50.000 Now, what these doctors have done, look, and here's the thing.

00:31:53.000 I mean, I wanted to be clear.

00:31:54.000 I would love nothing more than Peru to be the hotspot of some new species.

00:32:01.000 I don't think we're alone.

00:32:02.000 I don't think we've identified every species.

00:32:05.000 But also, I'm not putting my money on these things coming out as authentic.

00:32:11.000 I think they have been used with authentic bones, which is why they're getting the dates.

00:32:16.000 I think that, dude, I did a deep dive on this.

00:32:24.000 No, feel free.

00:32:25.000 Tell me what you found out.

00:32:25.000 Tell me.

00:32:26.000 I initially wasn't going to make the video I did, but after spending days staying up doing this research, I couldn't not do it.

00:32:36.000 And I found, like, I've been watching the whole Gaia series on this stuff, and I found myself getting entranced by the, like, maybe, maybe, and then, and then also watching the whole reason of putting this stuff out there is like, look, make your own decision, but don't just take in the fantasy.

00:32:53.000 Take in the other possibilities too.

00:32:55.000 And just have all the information before you make your decision.

00:32:58.000 Well, clearly, we know some of them are fake.

00:33:02.000 Clearly, clearly.

00:33:04.000 You know, even people like me who want so desperately to believe.

00:33:08.000 And it's also the corresponding artwork from the past, the three-toed, three-fingered artwork, which is weird.

00:33:16.000 That is weird.

00:33:17.000 And I saw some of those geoglyphs down there in the middle of nowhere.

00:33:22.000 And then the whole thing with James Fox and the Brazilian Canadian. 0.93

00:33:30.000 And that thing.

00:33:33.000 The three-fingered thing is a weird thing in history.

00:33:41.000 With these bones, I mean, I'm going to have to point you to some of the videos that these specialists have come out analyzing the files.

00:33:53.000 But where the money is, is exactly what's happening now.

00:33:57.000 It's we have this possibility.

00:34:02.000 We're going to make a show about it.

00:34:03.000 We're going to put out this new thing.

00:34:05.000 It goes deep, Joe.

00:34:07.000 The same doctors, the same specialists that are verifying currently the Nazca mummies have been on the same team for the past 20 years verifying other species and specimens that they've alien hybrids and the same people.

00:34:24.000 Literally, my whole video, I'm just like, this is what he said in 2007.

00:34:29.000 This is what he said about this fake thing in 2012.

00:34:32.000 This is what he said about the fake thing in 2017.

00:34:35.000 And I put it back to back.

00:34:36.000 So it's the same narrative.

00:34:38.000 Same people.

00:34:39.000 It's the same people, the same narrative.

00:34:42.000 And so you think that the construction has just gotten more sophisticated?

00:34:45.000 100%.

00:34:46.000 100%.

00:34:47.000 They learn.

00:34:48.000 What is that, the major one?

00:34:50.000 Maria and Montserrat.

00:34:53.000 Well, let's find Montserrat and see the Jesse Michael stuff because he went down there and looked at them and they did scans on the bodies.

00:35:03.000 And then I have a link to, I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about Montserrat's feet, the x-rays of his feet, and pointing out that's on the spreadsheet.

00:35:15.000 Well, let's see that.

00:35:17.000 I'd like to see that.

00:35:18.000 So do you think that these are recent creations of old bones?

00:35:23.000 Is that what it is?

00:35:24.000 That's what I think.

00:35:25.000 And how do you think they did it?

00:35:25.000 Okay.

00:35:28.000 Is there any speculation?

00:35:29.000 Think that so there so here's the what's up, Jimmy?

00:35:36.000 I cut him off.

00:35:36.000 Just asked him a question.

00:35:37.000 Oh, how did you think they did it?

00:35:39.000 How do you think they did it?

00:35:40.000 Well, I think that they've gotten very good with taxidermy.

00:35:47.000 Hmm.

00:35:48.000 Right.

00:35:49.000 Like, because we've seen that before, where you take like an owl and you attach it to an iguana.

00:35:54.000 In fact, in the research I did, there was this, dude, there was this demon fairy thing in 2017.

00:36:02.000 If you want to pull up my video, let's start with this.

00:36:05.000 Let's start with this.

00:36:06.000 We'll get to the demon fairy thing soon. 1.00

00:36:08.000 This shit is wild.

00:36:09.000 So, this is from a surface scan that was available.

00:36:15.000 And I went in and just kind of removed some of the fuzziness so that I could highlight the bones.

00:36:20.000 And one of the things, again, that you notice is that the joints have a lot of spacing between them.

00:36:26.000 These are not joints that are in contact, so they're dislocated.

00:36:31.000 Now, the main part here, the central area where the cuneiforms are in the cuboid, those articulate with five metatarsals normally.

00:36:41.000 The way these are lettered, A would go with the big toe and E would go with the little toe.

00:36:47.000 And again, just like in Maria, those are missing, but the joints are not lined up properly.

00:36:55.000 The shapes of the joints don't go with the matching bone on the cuneiforms of the cuboid.

00:37:01.000 That's exactly what I was seeing in CT.

00:37:04.000 So none of the articulations of the metatarsal junction really made any sense.

00:37:11.000 And some of the bones didn't even meet an articular surface at all.

00:37:17.000 So that jumped out to me immediately because then my first question goes to how would that even be a functional foot?

00:37:25.000 So Montserrat, that's so that's why does Montserrat have tendons?

00:37:31.000 Click on that.

00:37:32.000 Keep it going a little bit.

00:37:33.000 Where I thought I saw the raised resection because people were talking about there still being tendons and stuff intact.

00:37:42.000 And I would agree that some of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed out, in the correct position, but then some are just missing.

00:37:50.000 So if you wanted to elevate the illusion, one of the ways you could do that would be by performing a raised resection.

00:37:58.000 And essentially, that's a function-conserving surgery where if you've had damage to your metacarpals or your metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or metatarsal and kind of rearrange your fingers or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to keep your limb functioning.

00:38:16.000 So her feet, Montserrat's feet, were just a little bit different where I think they might have used more complex procedure like that versus Maria where her feet just looked more like arts and crafts to my eye. 0.61

00:38:30.000 So and that's the so Maria came up if these things are hoaxes.

00:38:38.000 There is also, if we're just going with that angle, there's a clear evolution of the work that goes into them behind the scenes.

00:38:47.000 Like that one came out after the first one.

00:38:48.000 The first one got called out on a whole bunch of things.

00:38:51.000 All of a sudden, the next iteration doesn't have the same issues.

00:38:55.000 They're correcting.

00:38:55.000 Oh, right.

00:38:57.000 And so, and that, and that's actually, I forget, there's an archaeologist on X.

00:38:57.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 He said that's very common in the world of fake antiquities.

00:39:06.000 Like they learn.

00:39:07.000 Once they get called out on something, they'll figure out how to make the pottery better or something like that.

00:39:12.000 Is there a lot of money in this stuff?

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 I mean, apparently.

00:39:16.000 Where's the money coming from?

00:39:17.000 How does it for me?

00:39:19.000 It's not even in the sale.

00:39:22.000 The most money coming from this is not in the sale of these things.

00:39:25.000 It's in the shows that come from it.

00:39:28.000 It's in the series.

00:39:29.000 It's in the subscriptions to get to the next season where they're going to finally reveal the truth about it.

00:39:35.000 There's a lot of money being made in the background.

00:39:38.000 And that's part of the deep dive I went on, like following the money.

00:39:42.000 So who do you think is making them?

00:39:44.000 Do you have a theory?

00:39:46.000 I believe that there's actually in my video and one of Will's videos.

00:39:56.000 There was a grave robber, a whistleblower, a grave robber who was part of this team.

00:40:01.000 And he shares how he was getting stuff for Mario, like the main guy.

00:40:09.000 There's got to be a team of specialists working on this stuff.

00:40:12.000 And I mean, money went into making these things because money's going to come from it.

00:40:17.000 It seems like a lot of money, though.

00:40:20.000 Yeah.

00:40:21.000 But you would think that that would kind of fall apart.

00:40:25.000 I would.

00:40:26.000 I would think it is falling apart.

00:40:28.000 But it is under scans.

00:40:30.000 But I would say someone would rat somebody out.

00:40:34.000 These are unscrupulous people.

00:40:36.000 That's part of the reason I also decided to make this video.

00:40:40.000 And a lot of the pushback on this stuff is like, oh, you don't trust Latin American doctors or anything.

00:40:48.000 No, it's not that.

00:40:50.000 Latin American doctors from Peru and journalists from they're afraid to talk about this stuff because things can get violent down there surrounding this topic.

00:41:01.000 An article from 2012 about a mummy being stolen, and it goes on to talk about the Ika Mafia.

00:41:14.000 There's a mafia.

00:41:15.000 The Ika Mafia.

00:41:15.000 And in fact, the guy Mario, who officials have warned about the existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with links throughout Southern America and Europe, and at the time it was $18 million a year in stolen archaeological artifacts, Peru estimated was being taken out of the country.

00:41:32.000 So this is all going to wealthy people in other countries that want to have these artifacts in their homes?

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 I've seen the text messages with some of the American buyers.

00:41:42.000 Really?

00:41:42.000 Yeah.

00:41:43.000 So these guys are just like, come on into my den and show you a mummy.

00:41:49.000 What I'm talking about specifically was tapestries, and it was actually the guy I met in the Artesa Nautilus in Miraflores.

00:41:59.000 And he showed me video.

00:42:00.000 He was very open with me.

00:42:01.000 He showed me videos of because the buyers want to see Provenance.

00:42:05.000 The buyers want to see them pulling the artifacts out of the ground.

00:42:10.000 Right.

00:42:10.000 So they just destroy them and then they just sell this stuff.

00:42:15.000 Mummy crowdfunder leaves archaeologists fuming.

00:42:19.000 So there's a guy in London that's selling this stuff.

00:42:21.000 So Victor Wynns Museum in London.

00:42:24.000 Cabinet dedicated to dead people.

00:42:24.000 Huh.

00:42:28.000 And they were trying to get a mummy from Peru.

00:42:31.000 Wow.

00:42:33.000 So it's.

00:42:34.000 What do you think is going on with the skulls?

00:42:36.000 The elongated skulls.

00:42:39.000 Jamie, I have a.

00:42:44.000 I think that's one I found.

00:42:47.000 Here's one.

00:42:48.000 You found that one?

00:42:49.000 That's one of three I've come across.

00:42:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:52.000 Now, supposedly there's a difference in the way the skull, you know, when you're a child, what is it called?

00:43:00.000 The sagittal sutures.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:02.000 I found some without the every elongated skull that I've, the three I've come across, all had the sagittal, all had that suture.

00:43:12.000 Like a normal human does.

00:43:13.000 Like a normal human.

00:43:14.000 So these would be from pressing boards on the child's head when they're in development.

00:43:20.000 Yeah.

00:43:20.000 Binding.

00:43:20.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 But then the question is, why would you do that?

00:43:23.000 And I mean, I err on the side of you don't just come up with that.

00:43:28.000 you're trying to imitate something.

00:43:29.000 Right.

00:43:30.000 You know, and so that that's and then you see it in Egypt and the hieroglyphs and stuff.

00:43:35.000 So I do think like there is you know that there's we've we've labeled things other species with just a bone fragment.

00:43:46.000 You know, I'm like there there's there's deserts of these things and I think that if the right study went to them, you might have a separate species if you put the money towards studying this stuff because it's all out there, man.

00:43:59.000 It's all right, like a separate branch of the human species?

00:44:03.000 Possibly.

00:44:04.000 Right, which makes sense.

00:44:05.000 I mean, they're finding separate branches all the time.

00:44:08.000 All the time.

00:44:08.000 The Denisovans, you know, all these different ones that they found within the last 20 years.

00:44:15.000 And there could be something with a larger head, an elongated head.

00:44:19.000 Yep.

00:44:19.000 And that's the, I don't know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth about it, but it, I mean, either you had whole cultures just doing this, or there's too many of them for it to have just been kind of some elitist practice, I think.

00:44:39.000 And a bizarre practice at that.

00:44:41.000 Why would you want to do that to your kid's head?

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 When clearly it's probably not been done to your head, at least the first people.

00:44:47.000 Like, what were you trying to imitate?

00:44:52.000 I forget who told me this.

00:44:55.000 There is some, I think Will told me this.

00:44:58.000 There's some woman who did this practice on herself, like actually trepinated her own head to well, we've talked about treponation. 1.00

00:45:09.000 When we had that woman on, did it to herself. 1.00

00:45:12.000 Okay, well, wait, so you had her on?

00:45:15.000 Yeah, well, a woman who did, what was her name again? 1.00

00:45:17.000 The psychedelic lady? 0.97

00:45:19.000 I believe she passed, didn't she?

00:45:22.000 Recently?

00:45:24.000 Really fascinating woman.

00:45:26.000 Amanda Fielding.

00:45:28.000 She died recently, right?

00:45:29.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.000 So, but she did self-trepidation.

00:45:34.000 She did self-trepanation.

00:45:35.000 But that's not elongation of the skull.

00:45:38.000 No, but there's an idea that what that trepidation might have done, in the ancient days, they did it to release the evil spirits if somebody was afflicted with some sort of psychosis or something like that.

00:45:53.000 But and I forget if it was Amanda.

00:45:59.000 Something happens with your brain waves when the brain is exposed or something like that.

00:46:03.000 There's some sort of I don't know.

00:46:06.000 How the fuck do you find that out without doing it?

00:46:09.000 But if the skull is elongated, I don't know if it gives extra space to it.

00:46:17.000 I forget who told me this.

00:46:19.000 It changes the chemical structure of the brain that kind of like a DMT experience, you're open to more things.

00:46:29.000 And so an idea is that if you elongated it and had that extra space in the skull for the brain to have more oxygen, I guess, maybe it affects your brain chemistry.

00:46:43.000 I don't know.

00:46:43.000 Just pure speculation.

00:46:44.000 Pure.

00:46:45.000 But one of the things about some of these skulls they found is that the volume is larger than a human.

00:46:53.000 So how would you do that just by stretching it out with boards?

00:46:57.000 I mean, it would seem like you have the same volume.

00:46:59.000 You're just changing the shape of it, right?

00:47:02.000 Yeah, but there are some, like you said, that have more volume, that would appear to have more volume.

00:47:07.000 And have there been no studies on these weird ones, the ones that don't have those sagittal lines that correspond with human beings?

00:47:16.000 Because some of them don't have French studies.

00:47:18.000 That's the problem.

00:47:19.000 That is the problem.

00:47:20.000 Are we looking at an animal head that they've kind of shoved onto human features and glued things together?

00:47:20.000 What are we looking at?

00:47:26.000 But with the mummies?

00:47:28.000 I mean, some of these skulls.

00:47:30.000 Well, I mean, some of the, like the one you just saw, I mean, they're there.

00:47:36.000 They're just out in the desert.

00:47:37.000 I don't know why funding hasn't been.

00:47:39.000 And you found them just sitting there.

00:47:41.000 And you just leave them there?

00:47:42.000 Yeah.

00:47:43.000 I put a pin on it.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 I mean, eventually one day I would like to, I don't know, form some sort of relationship with the Ministry of Culture.

00:47:52.000 Because the thing is, nobody's going out there.

00:47:54.000 And I specifically went to places this last expedition that I went the first year just to see what happened a year later.

00:48:02.000 And those places were looted even more.

00:48:04.000 The things I had found and come across and documented like an elongated skull wasn't there anymore.

00:48:10.000 So these things are being taken and sold.

00:48:13.000 Makes you wonder how much of it was there in the past.

00:48:18.000 I mean, I don't, like that eight kilometers of looting, it was all bones and textile and pottery.

00:48:28.000 I mean, just eight full kilometers.

00:48:30.000 And like, so it's an eight kilometer graveyard?

00:48:33.000 Yeah.

00:48:34.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 When I'm looking up trepination, this elongated skull is coming up.

00:48:40.000 Apparently this one is in Oklahoma, a museum of some kind.

00:48:45.000 That's the one that looks like it's had surgery on it.

00:48:47.000 There's some sort of a metal implant.

00:48:49.000 It doesn't come up in that context.

00:48:51.000 Like this one's coming up too, but what they're saying is that the metal implant is used after trepination has been done to sort of patch the bone.

00:48:59.000 Sometimes that has been documented as happening.

00:49:03.000 What kind of metal are they using on your fucking head?

00:49:05.000 Well, that's the weird thing too, because that metal has come up in the skull scans on like Montserrat.

00:49:10.000 I don't know which one in particular had it, but they're saying it's got like metal that wasn't available.

00:49:15.000 What's that one in the lower left-hand corner?

00:49:17.000 That one looks crazy.

00:49:18.000 Oh, that's the Chungo skull.

00:49:20.000 Okay, so that one looks different.

00:49:20.000 What's that?

00:49:22.000 Yeah, that's...

00:49:23.000 It says it's in Paracas.

00:49:24.000 I mean, that's Paraco.

00:49:24.000 Click on that.

00:49:26.000 It's very close to where I found the one I showed you from my footage.

00:49:29.000 Okay, that skull looks nuts.

00:49:31.000 So that doesn't look like a human skull at all.

00:49:34.000 No.

00:49:35.000 That one is the lines on that one.

00:49:38.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:49:41.000 That doesn't seem like it has any of the normal lines that a human skull has.

00:49:46.000 The museum, unfortunately, is closed now, so you can't go see it.

00:49:50.000 I tried to.

00:49:50.000 Well, where is it?

00:49:51.000 It was in Parac.

00:49:52.000 The Ministry of Culture shut down that museum.

00:49:58.000 Oh, the collection often exceptionally elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly around the village of Chongos near Pisco, dating to around 700 BCE to 200 CE.

00:50:14.000 His skulls exhibit severe artificial cranial deformation, practice used by elite Paracas culture members to signify status.

00:50:24.000 Huh.

00:50:26.000 That is the one we just saw in that museum is the largest one.

00:50:30.000 But it's weirdly large.

00:50:32.000 Can you find some more images of that one?

00:50:34.000 I'm trying to find some other stuff that's not three years old or older.

00:50:37.000 Oh, it's okay.

00:50:38.000 We'll just see the images of it.

00:50:40.000 It might be hard for that one since the museum closed.

00:50:43.000 Right, but there's images.

00:50:44.000 Yeah.

00:50:45.000 So that looks like it's a lot more volume than a human head.

00:50:49.000 The one on the far left, just the one, yeah, either one, the one below it.

00:50:53.000 Like that, just the image alone of that.

00:50:56.000 How do you get a normal human head to be that large without some sort of stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball and kept pumping it up while they're a baby?

00:51:08.000 Like, what?

00:51:09.000 What the hell is that?

00:51:11.000 That's so much bigger than a normal human skull.

00:51:15.000 And then you think if it, you know, with the skull binding practice, I mean, is there going to be some form of mental difficulties with that human being now?

00:51:27.000 Or expanded capacity.

00:51:28.000 Or expanded.

00:51:29.000 Yeah.

00:51:30.000 Because I think, so the cranial capacity is 25% more than a normal skull.

00:51:30.000 Yeah.

00:51:36.000 It weighs 50% or 60% more than a normal skull.

00:51:40.000 Also, the eye sockets are larger, and the jaw is larger and more compact.

00:51:47.000 God, that looks like a different kind of human.

00:51:50.000 So there's, there are, and when you go to these museums, there's all sorts of different.

00:51:55.000 What's that one up there?

00:51:56.000 The one to the right of your cursor.

00:51:58.000 What the fuck is that?

00:51:59.000 Is that real?

00:52:00.000 That's why I was, I didn't want to go yet.

00:52:02.000 Whoa.

00:52:05.000 Is that fake?

00:52:06.000 I haven't seen that one before.

00:52:07.000 I don't.

00:52:09.000 Taking me to Facebook is already a big red flag.

00:52:12.000 Facebook is a hub of fake shit.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, I know.

00:52:16.000 You can't escape it.

00:52:17.000 It's the same picture.

00:52:18.000 So a lot of them are probably AI generated.

00:52:21.000 But that one that's 25% larger than a normal human skull and larger eyes.

00:52:27.000 The eye sockets are fucking huge.

00:52:29.000 That's also weird.

00:52:32.000 That's the problem with all this looting that's been going on for so many years.

00:52:38.000 It's like there might have been some evidence of a different kind of human that lived with these people.

00:52:45.000 And I mean, imagine if we find out that that different kind of human was what populated that area.

00:52:51.000 And they were the people that built Soxe Huamon.

00:52:54.000 Because Paracas is the highest concentration of the ones that have been found.

00:53:01.000 But you find them up in the Cuzco region, too.

00:53:07.000 There's a video I have.

00:53:11.000 I think it's Chisniri, C-H-I-S-I-N. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Can I ask you, what is the conventional explanation for the larger capacity of the skull and then the larger eyeballs, the eye sockets?

00:53:26.000 I don't know that there is a conventional explanation other than...

00:53:29.000 It seems like you would have to explain that.

00:53:32.000 Like, if that's not something different.

00:53:34.000 It's a cranial Homo sapien human being like you or me, what is that?

00:53:39.000 That seems that's a different thing, right?

00:53:42.000 You would think.

00:53:43.000 Right.

00:53:43.000 Like, if you look at a Neanderthal skull, and you look, mine's pretty close to one.

00:53:47.000 But if you look at a Neanderthal skull and a normal human skull, you can clearly see the Denisovans, you clearly see the difference.

00:53:54.000 Homo Julians, you see the difference.

00:53:57.000 That's different, man.

00:53:58.000 It's different.

00:53:59.000 And some of this, some of the stuff in their jaws and with like the set of teeth, there's differences.

00:54:06.000 I mean, I haven't done a deep dive into it personally, but there are a multitude of differences that have been highlighted.

00:54:14.000 And for people that are skeptical, one thing you have to recognize is that it's really hard to make a fossil.

00:54:20.000 Fossils, I mean, most things that die and have died forever do not become fossils.

00:54:28.000 They get consumed by the earth like a normal thing would.

00:54:32.000 You know, that's why you don't find.

00:54:35.000 I mean, yeah, yeah.

00:54:36.000 And I mean, if you're talking about going back 10,000 years, that's why you're not seeing much evidence of stuff.

00:54:43.000 I mean, it's been so long.

00:54:45.000 These things are preserved because they're between at most, typically at most 2,000-ish years in that region old.

00:54:56.000 They're preserved so well because of the climate there, which is, I mean, when you're going in these barrels, you still see the hair of people.

00:55:02.000 It hasn't disintegrated.

00:55:03.000 Like, it's there.

00:55:05.000 God, that's so creepy.

00:55:06.000 Dude, I have some creepy photos for you, man.

00:55:08.000 Like, I don't know.

00:55:10.000 You might want to put a disclaimer out before you know it.

00:55:13.000 People know on this show.

00:55:14.000 You don't need a disclaimer.

00:55:15.000 Quick question.

00:55:16.000 I found a video of a guy with an elongated skull.

00:55:19.000 He's talking about these and showing it.

00:55:21.000 I'm just size of reference to his hand.

00:55:24.000 Does the skull seem small?

00:55:26.000 It does.

00:55:27.000 Unless he's got some giant-ass basketball.

00:55:29.000 That's kind of the size of the one I showed you earlier.

00:55:32.000 It was smaller than you would think.

00:55:34.000 But a lot of the people there back then were very small, right?

00:55:38.000 They didn't have access to a lot of protein.

00:55:40.000 Like, I went to Chichen Itza, and one of the weirder things is how small the people are there.

00:55:48.000 How small the mind people.

00:55:49.000 I'm short already, and I was a giant compared to these people.

00:55:52.000 It was really weird.

00:55:53.000 It's typically the same.

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00:56:36.000 Same in Peru until when the Spanish came. 0.99

00:56:40.000 And then the interbreeding.

00:56:41.000 And then interbreeding, yeah.

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:43.000 But if you go to Jamie, if you just open up the photos remains folder, this is the stuff you see.

00:56:52.000 I mean, there's still skin on some of these things.

00:56:56.000 Which is why.

00:56:57.000 Whoa, that's creepy.

00:57:01.000 I mean, and how old is that hand?

00:57:04.000 Probably, I mean, at this burial site, based on the artifacts I was seeing, it's Paracas or Nazca.

00:57:10.000 Go back one, Jamie, please.

00:57:13.000 Look at the cloth next to it, too.

00:57:15.000 So what is that piece of cloth, you think?

00:57:18.000 It's like it's braided at the bottom, and then the.

00:57:22.000 I didn't see a hole in the middle, so I don't think it was a and it's too fancy for a sling, I think.

00:57:27.000 So I'm not 100% sure.

00:57:29.000 Unless it's a fancy sling, like some people have fancy bows and arrows, fancy guns.

00:57:34.000 True, true.

00:57:35.000 Look at the hand, man.

00:57:36.000 That's so creepy.

00:57:38.000 But so, and what you see to the right of it is like what kind of looks like burlap is.

00:57:42.000 I mean, that's what the mummies were wrapped in.

00:57:44.000 They were stuffed with cotton or put in the fetal position, wrapped with textile, then cotton, then more textile and ropes, and that's some of the cotton and wrapping that the grave robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and jewels and things like that.

00:58:01.000 Yeah.

00:58:02.000 And what's unfortunate is some of the most beautiful pottery there, too.

00:58:06.000 It's just completely destroyed.

00:58:08.000 Wow.

00:58:09.000 Whoa.

00:58:11.000 Look at all those bones.

00:58:13.000 This is, you found this?

00:58:14.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 God, that's got to be creepy just seeing all those dead people's bones and rope.

00:58:21.000 It affects you, man.

00:58:22.000 It definitely does.

00:58:24.000 And what's the time period of this?

00:58:28.000 This is 2,000 years.

00:58:36.000 That picture actually isn't from Nazca.

00:58:38.000 That was another.

00:58:40.000 I have a video of this to show you.

00:58:42.000 This place.

00:58:43.000 There's just so much weirdness about Peru.

00:58:46.000 Just the Nazca lines alone.

00:58:48.000 Like, what were they doing?

00:58:50.000 Why were you making artwork you can only see from the sky?

00:58:53.000 That's crazy.

00:58:57.000 Oh, look at the hair. 0.97

00:58:58.000 That's nuts.

00:59:01.000 Oh.

00:59:02.000 Normal-sized skull, though.

00:59:04.000 Actually, that one, I don't have the pictures in that folder, but I measured it.

00:59:10.000 It's incredibly bulbous.

00:59:12.000 It's much more bulbous than a normal skull.

00:59:14.000 So you're just getting a side view of it.

00:59:16.000 Yeah, and I put the tape measurer there next to it.

00:59:20.000 Oof.

00:59:22.000 That's crazy.

00:59:23.000 You see the skin.

00:59:24.000 Yeah, isn't it?

00:59:26.000 The skin and the hair on the skull.

00:59:28.000 Oh, God, that's creepy.

00:59:32.000 It's why, yeah.

00:59:37.000 You know, I thought that I had gotten this is another thing that's been set up.

00:59:42.000 And you think the grave robbers do this?

00:59:45.000 You know, there were some places where I found things set up like this with little candy, little modern candies.

00:59:52.000 And what that is, is it's a tradition called Pago Latiera, paying the land.

00:59:58.000 And so whoever left the candy, I don't think was a grave robber.

01:00:03.000 It was probably a local.

01:00:03.000 And it's a way of giving back to the land, giving back to the ancestors.

01:00:07.000 I started doing that with, you know, if I had a soda bottle or something, you pour out some Coca-Cola and pay the land for walking to it and documenting this stuff.

01:00:19.000 It was a nice little practice.

01:00:22.000 But so the I would say that like 2,000-ish years old, just to circle back, so some of these things, this is all on the surface.

01:00:37.000 I don't go digging.

01:00:38.000 That's not, it's not on me.

01:00:40.000 But the Juaqueros do.

01:00:43.000 And that's where they're finding these things intact.

01:00:46.000 They're finding these things intact where you can put them into a CT scanner and it's going to show the whole insides.

01:00:57.000 Have any paleontologists done or archaeologists brought these skulls and brought them for examination to try to find out if there's intact DNA that can be studied?

01:01:10.000 They're supposed to be doing DNA tests on six of the specimens.

01:01:13.000 But if you watch my video, you'll see each time they've done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've been a part of before, I imagine the results are going to be the same.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, but I don't mean the hoaxes.

01:01:24.000 I mean the elongated skulls with the large eye sockets, things along those lines.

01:01:29.000 You know, there is a lot of the bureaucracy of how to go about doing anything with the Ministry of Culture in Peru is so disjointed, you can't get things done.

01:01:44.000 You just can't get it.

01:01:46.000 I know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to get some sort of official path to do DNA studies on these things.

01:01:54.000 And so, I mean, I'm hoping with the work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past that some of those boundaries can be broken, where we can actually get permission to study these things because it's Peru's patrimony. 0.98

01:02:08.000 You can't just go in there and, you know, that makes sense.

01:02:12.000 And so, and it costs money to do those things too.

01:02:15.000 And you have to do it in the above-board way.

01:02:19.000 And so it's kind of waiting for the okay from them.

01:02:22.000 Well, it seems like at the very least, the most bizarre elongated skull should be studied more closely.

01:02:29.000 It shouldn't just be like, oh, it's in a museum.

01:02:31.000 Look at the head.

01:02:32.000 Big, huh?

01:02:32.000 Weird eyes.

01:02:33.000 Let's move on.

01:02:35.000 It's broken, but you know, pretty interesting.

01:02:35.000 Look at this bowl.

01:02:38.000 Like, no, what the fuck is this?

01:02:38.000 Let's move on.

01:02:40.000 Put some money, figure it out.

01:02:43.000 Because if it turns out that there was a totally different branch of the human species.

01:02:48.000 It's huge.

01:02:49.000 It's huge.

01:02:53.000 I don't know the accuracy of this.

01:02:54.000 That's why I'm hesitant to even bring it up.

01:02:55.000 But as you're asking about that, that video I pulled up is this guy said that they tested 12 or 18 skulls.

01:03:02.000 That's Forrester.

01:03:04.000 And some of them came back as Native American.

01:03:07.000 I'm trying to, I'm reading the closed captioning, but some of them did not.

01:03:11.000 Some of them came back from the Black Sea area.

01:03:13.000 The Caspian Sea, Black Sea area from 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.

01:03:16.000 Which there have been skulls found out in those areas too.

01:03:21.000 Wow.

01:03:23.000 I don't know if Jim says it.

01:03:24.000 Black and Caspian seas, as in the Caucasus Mountains.

01:03:29.000 Whoa.

01:03:30.000 So that's very intriguing.

01:03:33.000 What I can also share with you is what I believe was the migrational pattern, because these people, like some indigenous people of the Caspian area and Black Sea area, were and are dark red-haired and also very light-skinned and green eyes.

01:03:52.000 And this seems to correspond as well with the elongated skulls.

01:03:55.000 So I believe one of the things that they're talking about 3,000 years ago, the ancestors of the Paracas decided to leave the area because they were being invaded by someone.

01:04:06.000 And so they traveled south through Iraq and Iran to the Persian Gulf.

01:04:10.000 And there they wound up sailing eastwards and eventually found their way to the coast of Peru.

01:04:18.000 There are different routes.

01:04:21.000 That's making speculation.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:23.000 I'd be touching.

01:04:24.000 So that's the thing.

01:04:25.000 With theories like this, I'm like, let's put some effort to peer review this stuff.

01:04:29.000 You know, like, let's do the studies that are needed, have multiple universities test these things, come up with the standard set of results.

01:04:38.000 And then, I mean, so what is missing?

01:04:41.000 Funding, interest.

01:04:44.000 It seems like this is, in terms of like really doing a comprehensive study of archaeological sites, Peru seems like the least studied.

01:04:55.000 Is that accurate?

01:04:58.000 Halfway, I would say, only because, look, there's a part of me that also feels for the Ministry of Culture in a way where there's so many sites in Peru that to have eyes everywhere to protect it, to have teams excavating things.

01:05:18.000 Isn't that alone kind of crazy?

01:05:20.000 How many sites there are in Peru?

01:05:22.000 And the fact that also you have Soxa Huamon, you have the Nazca Lines, you have all this weirdness in this one part of the world. 0.98

01:05:32.000 Like, why?

01:05:33.000 You have the oldest stone pyramids in the Americas, pyramids that predate the pyramids of Giza by a thousand years.

01:05:41.000 What do they look like?

01:05:42.000 If you look up Corral, they are, dude, I've done a whole thesis on this.

01:05:49.000 Like, I plan to write a, I don't think I'll ever get it peer-reviewed, but I plan to write a paper about my theories on some of the stuff I've found.

01:05:56.000 So Corral was this area on the coast.

01:06:00.000 It's C-A-R-A-L. 1.00

01:06:03.000 And these pyramids had, Graham Hancock's been looking into this stuff too.

01:06:09.000 this sunken circular plaza so they're just this is a whoa this This predates Giza.

01:06:17.000 Well, what we think.

01:06:20.000 The Great Convention, the conventional dating.

01:06:22.000 Right.

01:06:23.000 So, all right, let's see if I can condense this.

01:06:27.000 This site has, I don't know, eight of these pyramids.

01:06:30.000 They're actually all throughout the valley and four valleys around it.

01:06:35.000 The earliest one in a separate valley close to this dates back to 4000 BCE.

01:06:41.000 It has the remnants of a sunken circular.

01:06:43.000 The main thing to keep note of is that sunken circular plaza because it's a feature that you not only see there in those four valleys, but you also see it 200 kilometers north of Peru.

01:06:56.000 And what's the conventional explanation for these sunken circular plazas?

01:07:01.000 Ritual spaces.

01:07:03.000 Some people say collecting water.

01:07:05.000 Some people say the acoustics are different.

01:07:07.000 Here's the interesting thing about it.

01:07:08.000 This site was discovered in the 1940s.

01:07:14.000 Wow.

01:07:15.000 Nobody did anything about it.

01:07:18.000 This is what happens in Peru.

01:07:20.000 From the 1900s, early 1900s to 1940s, archaeologists and historians were going up and down the coast finding stuff.

01:07:30.000 I mean, just finding stuff.

01:07:32.000 And they would write it down.

01:07:33.000 They'd put it on the map.

01:07:34.000 That's why the Ministry of Culture has it on their archaeological database.

01:07:39.000 They'd pick through it what they could, put stuff in museums, and just move on.

01:07:43.000 That site, Corral, predated any ceramics.

01:07:47.000 I mean, this was a pre-ceramic culture, so there were no artifacts to find.

01:07:52.000 So they just moved on.

01:07:55.000 It wasn't until Dr. Ruth Shady in like the 80s and 90s actually put research in and figured out, hey, this is older than everything else we found because they just overlooked it.

01:08:08.000 There were no artifacts.

01:08:09.000 They were just like, we're going to move on.

01:08:10.000 When you say no artifacts, like that seems weird to me because why would you make these immense structures and not have a bowl to put rice in?

01:08:19.000 Right?

01:08:20.000 A lot of animal skins and the weaving.

01:08:26.000 So these cultures, what they found is, so that's a little further inland.

01:08:32.000 They had a sister site on the coast.

01:08:35.000 And so what they would do, the only agriculture they would grow was cotton.

01:08:39.000 That cotton, they would trade with the people on the coast so they could make nets and fish with it. 1.00

01:08:44.000 The fish they would bring back, they would give back to those people who made the cotton for them. 0.98

01:08:50.000 So it was this weird, you know, interplay.

01:08:52.000 And the other unique thing about this time period is there was no evidence of warfare for a thousand years.

01:09:00.000 Nobody was fighting each other.

01:09:02.000 It was very just everybody, no weapons, no anything like that.

01:09:05.000 No weapons?

01:09:06.000 No weapons for a thousand years.

01:09:09.000 That seems insane.

01:09:10.000 Is that just no evidence of weapons?

01:09:12.000 That's currently no evidence of weapons.

01:09:14.000 Right, but maybe someone stole the weapons.

01:09:17.000 That's possible.

01:09:18.000 Because, I mean, you're talking about a place that's been looted ad nauseum, right?

01:09:22.000 That's true.

01:09:23.000 I mean, they put in a lot of work, though, excavating, especially that site Corral.

01:09:27.000 So you feel like somewhere they would find some sort of an axe head?

01:09:31.000 They found the only artifacts of major note are some of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes with carvings on them and the nets, the fishing nets.

01:09:47.000 And my whole theory is this was a pocket.

01:09:53.000 It's called the Norte Chico culture.

01:09:55.000 It's a little pocket of these four valleys.

01:09:58.000 And I went all over them documenting these pyramids.

01:10:02.000 They don't look like pyramids anymore.

01:10:04.000 They look like mounds.

01:10:05.000 They're so old.

01:10:07.000 But there's another place 200 kilometers north in the Chasma Valley.

01:10:11.000 And what they have found is underneath the structures that are currently exposed, they found deeper layers of temples with that sunken plaza in this whole other location.

01:10:23.000 And those are dating to the same time.

01:10:25.000 So I firmly believe that what archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture, I believe it went the whole coast of Peru.

01:10:36.000 Wow.

01:10:37.000 I mean, like, this was a cradle of civilization.

01:10:40.000 I mean, hands down.

01:10:41.000 Cradle of civilization 6,000 years ago.

01:10:44.000 6,000 years ago.

01:10:45.000 So, which is right around the time we think the cradle of civilization happened in Sumera.

01:10:52.000 Wow.

01:10:53.000 And so the hard thing about it is, like, you'll have car, you'll have some carvings in Adobe that's been preserved in some of these places.

01:11:01.000 So there's some sort of iconography, but there's no writing like the Sumerian.

01:11:07.000 The whole thing about Peru is like there was no writing system that we know of.

01:11:13.000 There is a theory, and I believe this.

01:11:15.000 I believe the kipus, the rope strings with knots, I believe that was a language.

01:11:22.000 But the Spanish burnt as soon as the Spanish came over, they burned as many as those things as they could find, and they killed the people who could read them. 0.93

01:11:30.000 So we won't ever know.

01:11:32.000 Oh, God, Spaniards. 1.00

01:11:34.000 How dare you?

01:11:35.000 But there's like there's evidence that they would they took some of the Incas to the Spanish court.

01:11:40.000 And so there's an Inca in the Spanish court in front of the queen or king reading off of these kipus, reading stories, telling the court from knots on strings.

01:11:51.000 From knots on strings.

01:11:54.000 And that understanding of that stuff is lost.

01:11:57.000 It's lost.

01:11:58.000 Currently, I think for the last few years, there's been some studies being done in Harvard trying to use AI to figure out what these me.

01:12:05.000 I mean, how many of these are left over?

01:12:10.000 Can we see some images of them?

01:12:12.000 I think 500 to 1,000.

01:12:14.000 I mean, that's it.

01:12:15.000 I mean, the Spanish went on a mission to burn all these things. 1.00

01:12:19.000 Because they were trying to convert them to Spanish and get them to speak the language and become Catholic.

01:12:26.000 Pretty much.

01:12:27.000 Yeah.

01:12:28.000 And so much history is lost because of it.

01:12:32.000 Yeah.

01:12:33.000 So it's, but what's interesting is at that oldest place at Corral, they found a kipu. 0.96

01:12:40.000 They found one of these knotted strings.

01:12:43.000 And it wasn't a fishing net.

01:12:45.000 It was what looked to be a kipu.

01:12:47.000 And so if you have that tradition going back 6,000 years, I mean, that's there.

01:12:54.000 There's a lot of.

01:12:55.000 This picture's from 1994.

01:12:57.000 This is what it looked like then.

01:12:58.000 Just doesn't look like anything.

01:13:01.000 See that on the right?

01:13:02.000 Those pits?

01:13:03.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 That's looting pits.

01:13:05.000 And wow.

01:13:07.000 That's what it looks like from above here.

01:13:09.000 I was looking at a map.

01:13:10.000 Oh, so they had to dig it up.

01:13:12.000 This is the map from above.

01:13:18.000 It's a pretty big area.

01:13:20.000 Why is ancient history so damn fascinating?

01:13:23.000 If you go on my spreadsheet, there's a place called Herade.

01:13:27.000 What is it?

01:13:28.000 I'm looking at my notes here.

01:13:31.000 Sunken Plaza Hera de Pando.

01:13:33.000 It's a link to my YouTube.

01:13:35.000 So this, what we're about to see is right across the valley from Corral.

01:13:41.000 So all throughout that valley are these sites from that Norte Chico culture.

01:13:45.000 And I'm like right there on top of this pyramid.

01:13:48.000 And just the drone footage is epic, man.

01:13:51.000 Wow.

01:13:52.000 So I went on a mission looking for these places.

01:13:57.000 That's it.

01:13:58.000 The thing about this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying is that a lot of these stories, you're never gonna get the full answer.

01:14:10.000 No.

01:14:11.000 You're never gonna get the full history.

01:14:14.000 It's just the mystery will never be satisfied.

01:14:17.000 You're always gonna be hungry.

01:14:18.000 You know?

01:14:19.000 Which is, is that for a person like yourself that studies these places and has dedicated so much time to it, is that in any way frustrating or does it add to the appeal?

01:14:30.000 Both.

01:14:34.000 Well, look at that 6,000-year-old son.

01:14:36.000 There's no one there with you at all, it looks like.

01:14:38.000 No.

01:14:40.000 No one can stop you from taking it.

01:14:45.000 Whoa, look at that.

01:14:46.000 No, I mean, if you got caught, yeah, this is just me.

01:14:50.000 I actually spoke to there was an archaeologist who told me to go to that place, and so I went and I was the only one there.

01:15:01.000 Wow.

01:15:03.000 So this is my whole thing was I identified most of these places through Google Earth first.

01:15:09.000 Like they're not labeled.

01:15:11.000 These places aren't labeled at all.

01:15:13.000 That's crazy.

01:15:15.000 So these aren't documented places.

01:15:17.000 This is.

01:15:18.000 This one place right here is?

01:15:19.000 It's not on Google Earth, though.

01:15:20.000 It's not on Google Maps.

01:15:21.000 You won't see any marker of it.

01:15:24.000 But I was able to do some digging because of the guy who took me through the site.

01:15:29.000 I meet this random guy, Luis.

01:15:31.000 Luis is amazing.

01:15:32.000 He's a farmer right here.

01:15:34.000 I freaked him out.

01:15:36.000 He thought I was coming to rob him because he gets robbed often, apparently.

01:15:40.000 Oh, boy.

01:15:41.000 But he walked me through the site, and he, this one, okay, if you pause it, that right there on the bottom right is another one of those temples with the sunken plaza, except that one has monoliths.

01:15:55.000 Oh, it looks like Stonehenge.

01:15:57.000 Exactly.

01:15:58.000 And nobody's done a study on Astro.

01:16:01.000 I don't know that stuff.

01:16:03.000 But I can almost guarantee that there is some sort of astronomical alignment.

01:16:08.000 So what happened was archaeologists did come back, did come here in the 90s, I think, and it didn't look like corral.

01:16:18.000 They weren't going to be able to restore it.

01:16:19.000 So they just kept it as a, you know, to find dating on these things.

01:16:24.000 And it's from the same culture.

01:16:26.000 It's just a couple valleys over.

01:16:29.000 Hmm.

01:16:30.000 Do you have any footage of the monoliths?

01:16:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:34.000 It'll come up if you fast forward through it.

01:16:38.000 It's going to be back closer to where, yeah.

01:16:42.000 Elephant stone.

01:16:46.000 We walk up to it.

01:16:47.000 There you go.

01:16:52.000 So some sort of a stone circle of monoliths.

01:16:52.000 Interesting.

01:16:55.000 I put it through AI.

01:16:56.000 It's a very small monolith, though, right?

01:16:59.000 I mean, some of them have been buried and removed.

01:17:03.000 Oh.

01:17:05.000 So someone's got them in their fucking house somewhere.

01:17:07.000 Some of them, yeah.

01:17:09.000 Ugh.

01:17:10.000 How much of that is a problem with archaeology?

01:17:15.000 I know that that was a giant issue with Egyptian artifacts.

01:17:18.000 A lot of wealthy people in other countries would just get it imported to their den and have a big fancy party.

01:17:26.000 It still happens.

01:17:27.000 I will have to say that the and I mean, I've seen it with my own eyes, looting and stuff.

01:17:33.000 I've never come across somebody in the field doing that.

01:17:37.000 I don't think it's terrifying, right?

01:17:38.000 It would be freaky.

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 Because they'll kill you.

01:17:41.000 Dude, you're out in the middle of nowhere.

01:17:42.000 And if they get caught, they're in deep shit, so they would want to get rid of you.

01:17:46.000 And I mean, I know for a fact the way some of these get out of the country is some of these juaqueros have people on the inside who write them certificates and things like that that say, it's a, it's an authentic piece that has been owned by the family for this long, so they can get it out of the country to whoever they're selling it to that.

01:18:08.000 That's how it works um, what's a bigger problem though recently, after talking to several archaeologists and Witnessing it myself, is agriculture, agriculture.

01:18:20.000 They actually went to I went to a couple sites that I found this by mistake looking on Google Earth.

01:18:28.000 So I would find a site and I would like roll the satellite date back because sometimes different seasons give you better imagery.

01:18:34.000 I'm like, holy hell.

01:18:37.000 What exists now is a quarter of what existed 10 years ago.

01:18:41.000 And now all you see is like plantations planted.

01:18:45.000 I mean, they have literally paved over the archaeological site to plant, dude.

01:18:51.000 And that is, it's become one of the bigger missions of the channel and eventuality because, dude, you don't know.

01:18:59.000 This site could have aligned with that site, could have aligned with you have no idea.

01:19:02.000 And there's no documentation of it.

01:19:04.000 There's no documentation because nobody's going out there.

01:19:07.000 These places are far away, you know.

01:19:09.000 But here, here's another peculiar thing.

01:19:12.000 This last expedition, so I found one of these sites and I'm on camera and I'm ready to go in like guns ablaze and like, how dare you do this?

01:19:21.000 How dare you erase this?

01:19:23.000 And I get there and I mean, it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls, and it's just this woman on her farm.

01:19:31.000 And so I start talking to her.

01:19:33.000 This wasn't corporate.

01:19:35.000 This woman has in fact, did in fact write to the Ministry of Culture to say, hey, I'm expanding my farm.

01:19:42.000 They didn't get back to her.

01:19:43.000 So she did it.

01:19:44.000 She, you know, paved over or created plots on half the archaeological site.

01:19:53.000 So it becomes a, I don't know, I don't know what the right solution is because I feel for this woman.

01:20:02.000 She's actually, she's not, this isn't corporate.

01:20:04.000 She's just surviving.

01:20:05.000 She's just surviving.

01:20:06.000 The corporate stuff like pisses me off and I'll go hard on them.

01:20:10.000 And I do in some of my videos.

01:20:12.000 But she, and she tried to do the right thing by reaching out to the Ministry of Culture.

01:20:17.000 But what's she supposed to do?

01:20:18.000 Wait 10 years to get a response?

01:20:20.000 You know, and so, and then I don't know how you empower these people because from where I sit is at least if you could document it, then you'd have a record of it.

01:20:31.000 You know, that's that's what I'm trying to do when I go out there, create 3D models and put it, put pins on a map or something like that.

01:20:38.000 You know, so it's a tricky situation to try to figure out.

01:20:43.000 What's the most compelling site in Peru for you?

01:20:47.000 I wanted to show you this.

01:20:49.000 If you look in my video footage, Puru Lin Pyramids, P-U-R-U-L-E-N. 1.00

01:20:56.000 This site, I think it is much more deserving of future study.

01:21:01.000 It's a site that has 16 platform pyramids.

01:21:06.000 Wow.

01:21:07.000 And what does this site date to?

01:21:11.000 So when I do, half my role here is like, I'll go out and find these places.

01:21:18.000 And then on the back end, when I make these videos, I go hard on the research.

01:21:22.000 Like, I spend two pyramids, Puru Lin.

01:21:27.000 Oh, I got it.

01:21:30.000 That's just so you can have a sense of scale.

01:21:35.000 Thank God for drones, huh?

01:21:37.000 100%.

01:21:39.000 Okay, so that's a platform.

01:21:45.000 So that is the remains?

01:21:49.000 So right back, if you look back on the horizon, that's the coast.

01:21:52.000 So this is right on the ocean, which means this has been inundated for millennia by tsunamis.

01:22:01.000 That looks like it.

01:22:02.000 It really does, right?

01:22:03.000 Yeah, it looks like it's completely washed over.

01:22:05.000 Look at all the sand has formed.

01:22:07.000 And it's so, I kept that in there.

01:22:09.000 That's the wind.

01:22:10.000 The wind is so like, I messed up my first drone flying it here.

01:22:16.000 But check this out.

01:22:17.000 I keep this in so you could just.

01:22:19.000 There's another one.

01:22:20.000 Whoa.

01:22:23.000 Oh, it gets better, man.

01:22:24.000 That seems like a riverbed.

01:22:28.000 It completely seems like water's washed right over this whole area.

01:22:33.000 I bet if you look at it from far above, it's even more evident.

01:22:37.000 Yeah.

01:22:38.000 Look at that.

01:22:40.000 Wow.

01:22:41.000 And they're all the same, they all have the same shape.

01:22:48.000 And what's the conventional explanation for this?

01:22:51.000 There was one study done on this, and it was a brief survey in 1970.

01:22:56.000 And this guy.

01:22:58.000 Yeah.

01:22:58.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:23:00.000 However, the archaeologist who did that survey, there's another one there.

01:23:05.000 The archaeologist who did this survey has been quoted in the past 30 years saying he always wanted to come back here and do more research.

01:23:12.000 He just never did.

01:23:13.000 It's not an easy place to get to.

01:23:16.000 But what they dated it at is even in that report, that 1970 survey, he's saying 1800 BCE, but likely old.

01:23:26.000 Look at that.

01:23:28.000 Wow.

01:23:33.000 Wow.

01:23:34.000 Here's something unique.

01:23:35.000 If you pause it real quick.

01:23:37.000 All right.

01:23:38.000 So I looked on Google Earth and those toward the top center, you see those two block-looking things.

01:23:44.000 All right.

01:23:45.000 So I was like, I thought they were megalithic.

01:23:48.000 They're not.

01:23:49.000 All of these.

01:23:49.000 All of these pyramids are carved out of the bedrock.

01:23:53.000 Are carved out of the bedrock.

01:23:53.000 Wow.

01:23:55.000 And the only place that there were looting pits are behind those two stones at the top.

01:24:01.000 In that little alcove of the mountains, that was the only place.

01:24:04.000 So I went there and there's bones there.

01:24:07.000 So that's where people were buried.

01:24:10.000 And I'm like, why are they burying people here?

01:24:12.000 And I stand right in the middle and it's facing 89 degree, almost perfect east-west, that little gap.

01:24:19.000 So like that, that's where they were burying their elite people.

01:24:23.000 So where the sun would rise in the summer solstice.

01:24:26.000 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 Now, how old is this site supposed to be?

01:24:30.000 So they said in that report, he says 1800.

01:24:34.000 They found one piece of pottery that's documented.

01:24:36.000 They found one.

01:24:37.000 This is from a 1970 study.

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:41.000 And so they're saying 1800 BCE, because that's right around when pottery started.

01:24:49.000 But in that report, he says it's likely older as well.

01:24:52.000 He thinks it's older.

01:24:53.000 It needs more study.

01:24:54.000 But that was it.

01:24:55.000 That was the only thing that was put out there.

01:24:57.000 I mean, this is 16 pyramids here.

01:25:00.000 And if you look in my drone footage, you'll see it looks like there's another thing here, another thing there.

01:25:06.000 So it's in the neighborhood of 4,000 years old, but possibly older.

01:25:10.000 Correct.

01:25:11.000 And I think it is, I would stake everything on it being found to be much older.

01:25:17.000 Pre-ceramic, pre-pottery.

01:25:20.000 The pre-ceramic thing is nuts.

01:25:22.000 All right.

01:25:23.000 So like, here's the thing.

01:25:25.000 What are they using for utensils?

01:25:27.000 What are they using for plates?

01:25:29.000 Like, what are they using to put their food on?

01:25:31.000 And then if it is pre-ceramic, what kind of tools did they have?

01:25:35.000 And how are they carving?

01:25:37.000 How are they building these?

01:25:38.000 This out of the bedrock.

01:25:39.000 I mean, imagine the amount of effort it would take for a human being banging a rock against another rock to try to do that and then to make it flat.

01:25:49.000 Are these things level?

01:25:50.000 Have they.

01:25:53.000 I mean, this is the only modern.

01:25:56.000 Most of my footage is the only modern media in existence of some of these sites.

01:26:03.000 That's crazy.

01:26:05.000 Of that site.

01:26:05.000 That's you.

01:26:06.000 Imagine if you didn't exist.

01:26:07.000 Imagine if you weren't exposed to that as a 10-year-old.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, I mean, that's...

01:26:14.000 This is just going to sit there for like another thousand years before somebody else figures it out?

01:26:18.000 Yep.

01:26:19.000 Or it gets paved over.

01:26:21.000 God.

01:26:22.000 That's why I'm doing it, man.

01:26:23.000 God, that's so weird.

01:26:25.000 But how weird is that?

01:26:27.000 How weird is it?

01:26:28.000 It's just you.

01:26:29.000 Raul, what kind of fucking weight on your shoulders is there?

01:26:34.000 This one fascinating site.

01:26:37.000 You're the only guy that's got video of this?

01:26:39.000 Modern video?

01:26:40.000 That's crazy.

01:26:44.000 Thanks for having me on.

01:26:47.000 You're getting kind of choked up about it.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, man.

01:26:49.000 mean it's um it's a lot of work you know and and it's just it's something in me that i've well it's it's obviously very compelling to everyone that really pays attention to is this the that's when you look on the the satellite oh And again, this is the thing.

01:27:08.000 This is not like they put some rocks in place.

01:27:11.000 They carved these things out of the bedrock, and they're fucking huge.

01:27:18.000 That's what's so crazy about it.

01:27:21.000 I just, I had to, I mean, getting there was like, what are we looking at, man?

01:27:27.000 Like, what are we looking at?

01:27:27.000 Like, that's the thing.

01:27:29.000 And why in Peru?

01:27:31.000 And what happened to this area where they had so much sophisticated, complex construction that was absolutely abandoned, and there's almost nothing left.

01:27:45.000 So they, over the course of history, what they've found is that, especially, people like to build on the coast, and there's just up and down the coast of Peru.

01:27:55.000 Sure.

01:27:55.000 There's so much.

01:27:57.000 But then a major massive El Niño would happen and that just floods everything.

01:28:05.000 And so people are like, well, we got to go up into the mountains.

01:28:08.000 So they start going further into the valleys.

01:28:11.000 Peru is so unique.

01:28:12.000 You have the coast, and then the Andes just start.

01:28:15.000 You know, they just start going up until you get to, you know, the before you start getting into the Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes.

01:28:25.000 And so for several hundred years, they would live further up the valley, and then they would come back and repopulate on the coast and build on top of the sites that used to be there.

01:28:37.000 And then it would happen again, and they would go back.

01:28:39.000 And so there's this whole cycle of, and there's some places where you will find that direct, it's very hard to find megalithic stuff, though, like the stuff you're finding in Cuzco, for example, on the coast.

01:28:54.000 You don't really find that.

01:28:55.000 You don't really find that type of architecture on the coast.

01:28:59.000 You didn't have that building material.

01:29:01.000 You didn't have stones like that.

01:29:04.000 And so it's my belief that some of these places existed further back than we think.

01:29:13.000 Like this place here on the coast, the erosion and the wind and the water that must have affected it.

01:29:18.000 I can only, I have footage from what we just saw was drone footage from this year.

01:29:24.000 I didn't get much drone footage the year before.

01:29:28.000 I could already see how much has been covered in one year, in one year, from having gone there again.

01:29:35.000 And it's just imagined over millions of years or thousands of years.

01:29:40.000 How crazy.

01:29:41.000 If you had to just take a wild guess with no one holding you to this at all, how old do you think we're talking about here?

01:29:47.000 I think there's.

01:29:52.000 I go back pre-Cataclysm, the Youngadryas.

01:29:57.000 There's evidence on like Waca Prieta that there was this mound that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom DeLehay and his team excavated, and that academically accepted dates back to 12,500 BCE.

01:30:11.000 And so there were people living on the coast at that time.

01:30:14.000 So this mound, what does that look like?

01:30:17.000 There's a it looks just like a this is an interesting site.

01:30:23.000 That's it.

01:30:25.000 What am I looking at here?

01:30:26.000 That mound.

01:30:28.000 That's not a natural mound?

01:30:31.000 No, it started off as natural.

01:30:33.000 And so what they found was they would use their refuse and so they would put trash on top of the mound and then cap it with like adobe mud so it would become strong.

01:30:45.000 It would become a platform.

01:30:47.000 And then they would build on top of it.

01:30:49.000 So it's a trash mound?

01:30:51.000 Part of it.

01:30:52.000 How weird.

01:30:54.000 That wasn't an uncommon thing back then.

01:30:56.000 And that's more than 15,000 years old.

01:30:59.000 And what is that?

01:31:00.000 They have writing from there?

01:31:02.000 No.

01:31:03.000 What's that cloth?

01:31:04.000 That's fishing nets.

01:31:07.000 Oh, I see.

01:31:08.000 It's one of the oldest pieces of cotton.

01:31:11.000 So you ask how they were carrying things and all that with the cotton.

01:31:15.000 But the cotton was coming from further inland.

01:31:18.000 It wasn't coming from them.

01:31:20.000 So even back then, they were.

01:31:24.000 So here's the kick.

01:31:26.000 And this is part of the paper I'm thinking I'm writing.

01:31:31.000 There's evidence at that place, Wacaprieta, of a sunken circular plaza.

01:31:37.000 And that predates all the ones we saw by even by 2,000 more years.

01:31:43.000 I think this is where that tradition started.

01:31:45.000 Wow.

01:31:46.000 I think that's where it started far earlier than anybody accepts or knows.

01:31:51.000 Now, here's the weird one.

01:31:52.000 How did those people get there?

01:31:55.000 Dude, I've thought about this.

01:31:56.000 I mean, look, if you.

01:31:58.000 Right.

01:32:00.000 If you're building these structures 6,000 years ago, 11,000 years ago, 15,000 years ago, when did you get there?

01:32:06.000 When'd you get there?

01:32:07.000 And there's the plaza.

01:32:12.000 So, I mean, I don't think it takes much.

01:32:15.000 I think if you're living on the coast or, I don't know, by any sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating on it, you're like, huh, all right.

01:32:23.000 Well, then a thousand years go by and you have at that point put some pieces of wood together to make a flotation device, you're able to navigate.

01:32:31.000 Like, I just, I don't see it not happening, you know, eventually.

01:32:35.000 Especially with crazy people.

01:32:35.000 Right.

01:32:39.000 Someone's got the courage to just sail out there and hope you have enough water on you.

01:32:43.000 Or you're fishing.

01:32:44.000 Or you're fishing and you get stuck and there's a storm and it's like, whoop.

01:32:48.000 Right.

01:32:49.000 And you could never make it back.

01:32:51.000 But I think that's happened in multiple places.

01:32:56.000 I don't think that civilization is born and created without, A, that sense of exploration, but also that natural ingenuity.

01:33:04.000 I mean, storms happen, you see a log floating in the ocean.

01:33:09.000 Well, I can use that to go catch more fish.

01:33:12.000 Yeah.

01:33:13.000 All of a sudden you're seafaring.

01:33:17.000 It just, when you see stuff like this that's that old, that's 15,000 years old, you go, okay, well, this is all that's left from 15,000 years ago.

01:33:25.000 What's left from 30,000 years ago?

01:33:27.000 Because it's like double that, right?

01:33:29.000 Right now, you look at 15, there's almost nothing.

01:33:32.000 It's like, God, it's so little.

01:33:33.000 But you get it.

01:33:36.000 But if you went another 15 before that, are we talking, what is that?

01:33:40.000 And that's why I'm like, with the stuff Biondi is doing with the SAR tech, I'm just hoping that that can be affordable and applied in multiple areas to find things that are buried underground.

01:33:58.000 One thing that I've always been curious about why there hasn't been more research until I looked into it.

01:34:04.000 All these places were on the coast of Peru.

01:34:06.000 Well, sea levels were lower at one point.

01:34:08.000 And so.

01:34:10.000 What's right off the coast of Peru?

01:34:12.000 Right.

01:34:13.000 And there haven't been many, if any, studies on that.

01:34:17.000 I'm like, why?

01:34:19.000 Apparently the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to – this is what I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody studied this?

01:34:27.000 Apparently, the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to do research out there where it becomes very expensive for the equipment you need and things like that.

01:34:34.000 But I guarantee that you'll find some stuff off the coast.

01:34:40.000 Yeah, it just makes sense.

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:42.000 Especially if you find that.

01:34:43.000 And especially we know that sea levels were far lower.

01:34:47.000 Especially if that really is 15,000 years ago.

01:34:50.000 We definitely know that sea levels were lower then.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, it wasn't like this.

01:34:55.000 It's crazy too, man, because Tom Dillihay got so much shit from the academic community for his research down in Monte Verde and this site.

01:35:07.000 Which is interesting how consistent it is.

01:35:09.000 It's still going on today the same way.

01:35:12.000 And they're always wrong.

01:35:13.000 Right?

01:35:15.000 You would think you might want to have an open, just leave some room and the young archaeologists are.

01:35:20.000 I think there's a lot of young archaeologists that have grown up with the internet and they're really paying attention to this stuff and they're realizing.

01:35:27.000 And also, when you're young and you grow up with the internet, you realize like gatekeepers of information are a real problem and they always have been.

01:35:35.000 And they're wrong about so many things.

01:35:37.000 I mean, they're wrong about virtually everything.

01:35:39.000 The official narrative of almost everything has holes in it.

01:35:43.000 I'm like, something you said earlier, too.

01:35:46.000 Like this age of study and exploration and radio carbon, it's not that old.

01:35:54.000 We've only been doing this type of research for 100 years with some of the new advancements.

01:35:59.000 Like you don't think something else is going to come along that might knock that out?

01:36:03.000 Right.

01:36:04.000 You don't want to leave room for that?

01:36:05.000 Right.

01:36:07.000 Like, it's kind of dickish.

01:36:08.000 It's very dickish.

01:36:10.000 But, you know, no need to focus on the dicks. 0.71

01:36:12.000 But that's why things like Filippo Bionde's work is so devastating to the narrative.

01:36:20.000 Because this new technology, and if it shows that it's accurate, and it is accurate on things that we know exist, that's where it gets really crazy.

01:36:28.000 Especially when they looked 1.2 kilometers through a mountain to find the particle collider underneath and got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle collider.

01:36:38.000 Wild.

01:36:38.000 Right?

01:36:39.000 So they know that it's accurate.

01:36:40.000 And then, so what are those pillars?

01:36:43.000 What are these 20-meter in diameter?

01:36:48.000 What are these things?

01:36:49.000 And why would you not want to divest all the money you can possibly do to figure that out?

01:36:54.000 I think it'll happen.

01:36:56.000 And I think one of the reasons why it's going to happen is because of the internet, is because just the pressure and the amount of interest.

01:37:03.000 And also, think about Egypt, right?

01:37:07.000 Egypt, a large portion of their economy is wrapped around the tourism.

01:37:14.000 Because the tourism in Egypt is phenomenal because it's one of the most incredible sites in the world.

01:37:14.000 Yeah.

01:37:19.000 Wouldn't you want it to be even more incredible?

01:37:21.000 Like, what's more incredible than some unknown mystery of spectacular proportion?

01:37:29.000 Something that goes a kilometer deep under the pyramids and they don't know what it is.

01:37:34.000 Like, this is nuts.

01:37:36.000 Also, those shafts that go down that are filled with debris now that they can clear out, and it leads to what at least this data shows: tunnels and caverns and all this shit that's underneath there.

01:37:48.000 Like, what is that?

01:37:50.000 I mean, and I think Ben has done phenomenal work putting it.

01:37:53.000 Oh, he's incredible.

01:37:54.000 I love that guy.

01:37:55.000 The history and the story and the accounts of being in these labyrinths.

01:38:00.000 And he's another guy that got into this because of the internet.

01:38:03.000 You know, I mean, he had a real career in tech.

01:38:06.000 He was like, okay, I'm going to throw this out to be a YouTuber.

01:38:11.000 I was, who was I?

01:38:12.000 I forget who I was speaking to, but I mean, I, my goal is to document as much as possible before it's not there to document.

01:38:21.000 And I mean, it's crazy to be on here.

01:38:25.000 My channel is, I still feel like it's in its infancy.

01:38:29.000 Well, I was out about it.

01:38:31.000 A while, I mean, I want to say four months ago, five months ago, something like that.

01:38:35.000 You know, I started seeing some of your stuff online, I think, on X.

01:38:40.000 And I started looking at it on YouTube and I was like, yo, this guy's going deep.

01:38:46.000 How did you fund all this stuff?

01:38:48.000 I mean, how do you have the money to go and do these things?

01:38:51.000 I went broke the first expedition.

01:38:54.000 This was a total field of dreams.

01:38:57.000 If you build it, I'll see what happens.

01:39:03.000 And fortunately, I mean, people saw the work I had been doing up until that point.

01:39:09.000 There were some GoFundMe donations, which was amazing.

01:39:12.000 The fact that, I mean, just thank anybody out there, just thank you.

01:39:16.000 Like the people who believe in what I'm doing, that's what fills me up the most, too.

01:39:22.000 Like the encouragement and the support from people I don't know, you know?

01:39:28.000 Well, the content you provide, though, is so fascinating.

01:39:31.000 And it's so interesting to people like myself and other people that are really interested in it.

01:39:36.000 It's just a matter of getting you exposure.

01:39:38.000 So the content is so amazing.

01:39:40.000 It's just a matter of people have to find out about it.

01:39:43.000 And then, I mean, YouTube's a great way.

01:39:45.000 The algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll recommend, I'll watch one of your videos and it'll recommend something else interesting, you know, and then it just keeps going on and on and on.

01:39:55.000 Well, and so I came back from that first expedition.

01:39:59.000 I was there.

01:40:00.000 The first expedition was 23 days.

01:40:02.000 I had two terabytes of footage.

01:40:04.000 And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year and a half until this expedition now.

01:40:09.000 And I was out on this last expedition for 42 days all over the country.

01:40:14.000 And I mean, the video you were talking about when we first started talking, that is, too, the only, there's no drone footage of that site ever.

01:40:25.000 There is one Facebook post with pictures, and that's it.

01:40:29.000 And I was like, I have to document this, you know?

01:40:32.000 And so much from the last expedition is like that.

01:40:37.000 It's the only media that you'll see of it.

01:40:41.000 And I think these pyramids carved into the bedrock that you're the only one that has media that is just absolutely insane.

01:40:49.000 What are we looking at here?

01:40:51.000 I'm just digging around the area.

01:40:53.000 This is a mummy lady cow they found in 2006.

01:40:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:59.000 They call her the, she might have been the first female ruler of the area, the Cleopatra of South America. 0.91

01:41:07.000 These are pictures of her tattoos.

01:41:09.000 Oh, what?

01:41:10.000 So actually, what's interesting is it is being, there's a lot of evidence to say that some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal because they're finding a lot of the tombs of these queens right there on the coast.

01:41:29.000 The sorcerer.

01:41:29.000 Yes, this one pyramid in this area called El Brujo, where Huaca Prieta is.

01:41:35.000 Yep.

01:41:36.000 They found this dope totem.

01:41:37.000 Ooh.

01:41:40.000 And so what's interesting.

01:41:41.000 And so I believe this was the moche. 0.97

01:41:47.000 El Brujo, there are.

01:41:49.000 These paintings are on the wall.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, I have a video on that.

01:41:51.000 Wow.

01:41:53.000 That's cool, too, because you see paint.

01:41:56.000 So you realize that these things were very colorful.

01:41:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:58.000 Naked prisoners, and that this is a recreation of what it would have looked like then.

01:42:03.000 Those are prisoners?

01:42:04.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 So the architecture thing I thought was queer, too. 0.56

01:42:07.000 Why are they painting their prisoners?

01:42:09.000 That's weird.

01:42:10.000 I mean, everything was painted, though.

01:42:12.000 This was where people were.

01:42:13.000 I mean, why are they making depictions of their prisoners?

01:42:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:17.000 Not that they painted it different colors, which is kind of cool, but it's interesting.

01:42:21.000 Like, how old is this supposed to be?

01:42:24.000 Anywhere from 3,000.

01:42:25.000 This was a very interesting part.

01:42:27.000 3,000 BC is what they say it goes back to, but they say it wasn't developed until modern day, like 200 to 600 AD, which is a 3,600 years of nothing.

01:42:37.000 So it was, I believe it was the Moche. 0.99

01:42:39.000 1990, this one was found, and a Peruvian banker is the guy.

01:42:43.000 It says it's philanthropically minded, I can say it.

01:42:48.000 Right.

01:42:48.000 And the huacheros are the ones who told him about it.

01:42:52.000 And so that's a lot of these places have been found because of Joaqueros being reported.

01:43:02.000 All of a sudden, there's an influx in a little village of silver or something like that. 0.95

01:43:06.000 And then somebody tells the authorities, they figure out where they're going to dig.

01:43:11.000 I mean, there's a good book on it.

01:43:14.000 It's called The Lord of Cipan, where archaeologists literally had to stand guard.

01:43:21.000 The townspeople weren't happy that when the archaeologists got involved and the townspeople were coming to get the gold and coming to get the silver.

01:43:28.000 And so there's a whole book about it.

01:43:30.000 I don't know why nobody's made a movie on it.

01:43:33.000 It makes sense, though, right?

01:43:34.000 Because it's life-changing.

01:43:35.000 If they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold and silver in the ground, fuck these archaeologists.

01:43:43.000 Well, and some of the earliest, a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums, like the Larco Herrera Museum.

01:43:54.000 A lot of this stuff, a lot of the pottery is preserved because you had these big plantation owners, these big technocrats, and their workers in the field would constantly be finding this artwork and these wakas.

01:44:10.000 And so they were like, you know what, I'll give you $2 every time you bring me one.

01:44:14.000 And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum full of this stuff.

01:44:20.000 And I was talking to Dr. Ed Barnhart about this.

01:44:23.000 There's also so much in Peru that the people finding these things, they aren't.

01:44:28.000 Maybe nowadays they're making a lot on stuff, but for the past couple decades, there was just so much.

01:44:36.000 You're getting $3 for if you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving this thing up the ladder, you're getting $3 for a little piece of pottery. 0.60

01:44:51.000 How long have you been doing this for?

01:44:54.000 I mean, what I've been with the channel, two years.

01:44:57.000 That's it.

01:44:58.000 Two years, yeah.

01:44:59.000 And what were you doing before that?

01:45:00.000 A video editor.

01:45:01.000 And so you just said, you know what?

01:45:03.000 I'm going to just take a leap of faith?

01:45:05.000 My contract, I had a contract position and it ended.

01:45:11.000 I was posting these things I was finding on Google Earth and I was saying, like, I think this is something.

01:45:16.000 This is why.

01:45:17.000 I came up with this whole methodology.

01:45:19.000 And people were like, you're full of shit.

01:45:22.000 And I was like, you know what?

01:45:24.000 Let's see.

01:45:25.000 And I went and 100% accuracy.

01:45:29.000 Every single place I saw on Google Earth that did not have a label was an archaeological site.

01:45:35.000 Every single one I went to.

01:45:36.000 And that first expedition, I went to 90 in 23 days.

01:45:41.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 That was the first expedition.

01:45:42.000 90.

01:45:44.000 I was there for 42 days this time.

01:45:46.000 Wow.

01:45:47.000 So, like, I've got five terabytes worth of video footage of things nobody's seen.

01:45:52.000 That's crazy.

01:45:54.000 But just, I mean, imagine again: what if you didn't do this?

01:45:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:00.000 That's what's nuts.

01:46:01.000 That's what's nuts.

01:46:02.000 Like, we would be completely ignorant about this stuff.

01:46:05.000 Yeah.

01:46:06.000 Yeah.

01:46:07.000 It just makes you wonder, like, what was like those stone pyramids carved into the bedrock, the only you have footage of it.

01:46:14.000 What was that culture?

01:46:16.000 What were they doing?

01:46:17.000 And all I have to go off of is what this made me happy is like, and I have it on the video if I'm talking to the camera.

01:46:25.000 I'm like, I think this, I think that, I think this car.

01:46:28.000 And that survey verified every little thing that I, which was like pretty cool because I'm not, you know, academically trained to, you know, analyze these things, but I have the experience.

01:46:40.000 And so it was kind of neat that every bullet point was verified by that survey.

01:46:45.000 The feeling I got going to that place, that place in particular, I don't think they're going to find pottery there.

01:46:53.000 I don't think they're going to, I think it was pre-ceramic, but I also think there weren't houses.

01:46:58.000 There weren't, there might be, you know, if you go digging or do some LIDAR.

01:47:04.000 I think it was a place of pilgrimage.

01:47:06.000 That's just my personal, I have nothing to back that up.

01:47:09.000 That's what I felt, though, kind of pilgrimage.

01:47:14.000 Like when I was walking there, I don't know, man, Peru is weird.

01:47:21.000 The energy in Peru is different.

01:47:23.000 And I want to say spiritual because I don't have a different word for it.

01:47:34.000 It's just you're just in tune with something.

01:47:39.000 I mean, maybe it's just the nature.

01:47:41.000 But I mean, I feel different down there.

01:47:44.000 And especially going in these far-out places.

01:47:46.000 And when you get to some of these sites, you feel a little different.

01:47:51.000 And so just kind of the intuitive impression I got was, I wonder if people were coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because there aren't houses there.

01:48:01.000 There's no evidence of people living there.

01:48:03.000 But is that because of time?

01:48:05.000 That's very, it's very possible.

01:48:06.000 That's the problem when you're seeing something that's the amount of work that would take to carve something out of bedrock, like those pyramids.

01:48:16.000 And how many of those pyramids did you find?

01:48:18.000 There are like 16 of them.

01:48:19.000 16.

01:48:19.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 Okay.

01:48:20.000 They're huge.

01:48:21.000 Huge.

01:48:22.000 They're carved out of the ground, out of rock, with what?

01:48:28.000 Here's the interesting thing.

01:48:29.000 In that survey, I didn't know this, and I tried to pinpoint the location.

01:48:33.000 That main pyramid I was on, there's a black and white photo from 1970 where they found a carved-out room in that pyramid structure.

01:48:43.000 In that main pyramid, there's a and it looks like a room.

01:48:47.000 It's been human carved out.

01:48:49.000 So there's chambers in some of these things.

01:48:52.000 Why aren't we studying it?

01:48:53.000 Right.

01:48:54.000 Why haven't we gone back?

01:48:55.000 Also, how?

01:48:57.000 Like, what are you using to cut?

01:49:00.000 Like, what kind of tools do you have?

01:49:00.000 Right.

01:49:03.000 6,000 years?

01:49:04.000 Like, what tools were available?

01:49:08.000 And it's so close to the ocean.

01:49:10.000 You might not ever know because a tsunami comes in.

01:49:12.000 It's taken it right back out.

01:49:13.000 Right, right.

01:49:14.000 And if it's metal, it's gone anyway.

01:49:16.000 It's gone.

01:49:17.000 Same with, same with, I think also, like, I think that little alcove where all the burials were, I think that got preserved because it was behind this mountain.

01:49:29.000 I think if there was any civilization there prior that might have been living there, all the bones that were there on, they're gone.

01:49:37.000 Right.

01:49:38.000 They got taken back out.

01:49:39.000 Of course.

01:49:40.000 And probably all the structures, any houses, if they had wooden houses or on top of the land, you know.

01:49:45.000 Yeah, gone.

01:49:46.000 Nothing left.

01:49:47.000 And so all you're left is with this strong.

01:49:49.000 Who knows if those things were bigger, too?

01:49:52.000 Right, right.

01:49:53.000 Who knows what was on top of those things, right?

01:49:56.000 Exactly.

01:49:57.000 That's nuts, man.

01:49:58.000 The thing that gave it away on that site in particular is when you look aerially, every single one of those pyramid structures is facing northeast, every single one.

01:50:08.000 And that's for the sunrise on the solstice.

01:50:10.000 Right.

01:50:10.000 And I was like, this is man-made.

01:50:13.000 This is man-made.

01:50:14.000 And there's still people on the comments who are like, oh, that's just a mountain.

01:50:19.000 And I'm like, dude, what more do you want?

01:50:22.000 They think that those things were just, they don't think those things are man-made?

01:50:26.000 Yeah.

01:50:27.000 They're the same shape.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, I know.

01:50:29.000 The same shape, the same size.

01:50:31.000 They're all pointing in the same direction.

01:50:32.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:50:33.000 I've learned not to fight and just like, you know, you're going to believe what you want anyway.

01:50:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:38.000 It's the history.

01:50:40.000 I mean, Graham Hancock has the greatest phrase that we are a species with amnesia.

01:50:46.000 And I think it's true.

01:50:47.000 And I think it all points back to not just the Younger Drys impact, but probably several other impacts. 0.91

01:50:55.000 You know, my friend John Reeves, he lives in Alaska and he runs the Boneyard.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:00.000 John just sent me some photos of a new site that they have that's under all these other sites, like deep under all these other sites, where they're finding not just bone, but charred bone, like an entire area of like burnt tusks, burnt bones covered.

01:51:22.000 And he thinks there was another impact.

01:51:25.000 And, you know, just, I mean, he's just making a rough estimation because some of the sites that he found, it's somewhere around 10,000 years ago due to like, you know, doing the examination of the cores.

01:51:25.000 An impact.

01:51:37.000 And he thinks it's 20,000 years ago.

01:51:40.000 So he thinks this is probably a normal thing that has happened all throughout the history of the earth as the earth gets pelted, you know, every 10,000, every 20,000, whatever.

01:51:52.000 And these get hit.

01:51:54.000 And that speaks to the myths and the legends and the dryas and the yugas.

01:52:00.000 And I mean, every civilization has its version of, you know, this is the fifth epoch or the fourth epoch.

01:52:08.000 You know, this is the first one was fire.

01:52:10.000 The last one was, you know, water.

01:52:13.000 There's always several cataclysms.

01:52:15.000 The yuga stuff is nuts too because it just seems like it's so accurate. 1.00

01:52:19.000 And we are in Kali Yuga right now, which is the age of deception.

01:52:23.000 And like, what's more confusing?

01:52:25.000 That's what it's called, right?

01:52:26.000 Isn't it called the Age of Deception?

01:52:27.000 Find out what caused.

01:52:30.000 So what's more like if you thought that it was all falling apart before it gets rebuilt, it's like that's now.

01:52:36.000 Like this place is fucking crazy.

01:52:39.000 Every day the news is nuts.

01:52:41.000 I've gone on a social media hiatus over the last few days and I feel so good.

01:52:46.000 And I decided two days ago I'm not going back.

01:52:49.000 I'm like, I'm not going back.

01:52:50.000 I'll go back to post things.

01:52:52.000 I'm never reading it anymore.

01:52:54.000 I'll find my news.

01:52:55.000 People send me enough stuff as it is.

01:52:57.000 My friends send me things.

01:52:59.000 I don't have to click on them, but I know what's going on.

01:53:01.000 Like what craziness is happening.

01:53:03.000 You just feel better when you don't do it.

01:53:07.000 I've been sucked into the Nazca Mummies thing sucked me into the back and forth on X. 1.00

01:53:13.000 And it's so toxic, man.

01:53:16.000 So toxic.

01:53:17.000 toxic and and it's like at the end of the day people are going people look you can have all the evidence saying this one thing and everybody agrees You're going to have this group that is like, well, no, for this reason.

01:53:31.000 And then, and it's the same thing on the other side, too.

01:53:33.000 And so it's just this, this, social media is this, what I'm seeing is just this weird loop of confirmation bias and bitchiness and anger and arguments and infighting and attacks.

01:53:48.000 And I just think that it's altering the collective psychological foundation of our society.

01:53:57.000 I agree with you.

01:53:58.000 And that's what's weird.

01:53:59.000 And that's what makes sense when you see like crazy protests and crazy people online.

01:54:05.000 It's like everyone's getting, there's something that's happening to them.

01:54:08.000 Well, what's this one thing that exists with everybody?

01:54:12.000 It's social media use.

01:54:14.000 Yep.

01:54:15.000 And I think, I don't know, it's hard.

01:54:23.000 I tried to stay away and then I found myself like last week after I made like these videos just for the social media sphere as an example.

01:54:32.000 Like I was getting pulled into it.

01:54:33.000 I felt myself as somebody who has not engaged that much.

01:54:37.000 I was like, something has shifted, you know, and like I was ready to get defensive and take things personally.

01:54:45.000 And I'm like, this is an attack back.

01:54:47.000 And attack back.

01:54:48.000 And I was like, this is just continuing the cycle.

01:54:50.000 And I don't want that.

01:54:51.000 I don't want that in my life.

01:54:52.000 I don't need any of that.

01:54:53.000 So I just stopped, you know, and but the level of defensiveness, the level of attacks, the level of, and it's not even, at some points, it's not even just taking things personally.

01:55:04.000 The attacks are personal sometimes.

01:55:07.000 It's like, what are you supposed to do other than not engage?

01:55:11.000 Yeah, you can't engage.

01:55:12.000 I say post and ghost.

01:55:14.000 That's my strategy.

01:55:15.000 I like it.

01:55:15.000 That's my strategy.

01:55:16.000 And then even then, I'm telling people to stay off of it so they're not even going to read my stuff.

01:55:20.000 Like they're listening to me, but that's okay.

01:55:23.000 It's like you find out enough.

01:55:23.000 It's okay.

01:55:25.000 You find out about the important things and find out about shows that you enjoy and then you subscribe.

01:55:31.000 And then when new episodes come out, you're like, ooh, you know?

01:55:34.000 And so that's what I've been doing.

01:55:35.000 And it's a much healthier way.

01:55:37.000 Like the one thing that doesn't, and Jelly Roll was telling me this.

01:55:41.000 Like, he got off also, he had no phone for like 18 months.

01:55:45.000 No phone at all.

01:55:46.000 Wow.

01:55:46.000 It was crazy.

01:55:47.000 Like I contact him through his guy that was running his social media.

01:55:52.000 And I was like, tell Jelly I love him.

01:55:54.000 Tell him I said what's up.

01:55:56.000 And then recently he got a phone like over the last few months and only uses YouTube.

01:56:02.000 He's like, my YouTube, he goes, I learn things.

01:56:05.000 I get interested in things.

01:56:07.000 And that's how I feel too.

01:56:08.000 Like, I really enjoy YouTube.

01:56:10.000 There's so much interesting content on YouTube about everything.

01:56:14.000 I mean it's just like – We're living in – I mean this is an incredible age where – I mean I feel fortunate for what I'm doing that there's an audience for it.

01:56:25.000 And there's a platform that can allow that to have some reach because some stuff deserves the reach.

01:56:31.000 Well, what you're doing is very important.

01:56:33.000 It's very important.

01:56:34.000 Just the fact that you are the first guy to get media of those structures, that's crazy, man.

01:56:42.000 I mean, it's really kind of crazy.

01:56:44.000 You're a video editor.

01:56:45.000 Two years ago, you decided to do this.

01:56:47.000 You're the first guy who's documenting these things.

01:56:50.000 And then we're showing millions of people right now.

01:56:53.000 Kind of nuts.

01:56:54.000 Like, how few people know that there was some kind of a complex society that understood the equinoxes, pointing their structure toward it, and not just building them with mud and bricks, but carving it out of the bedrock in a similar shape over and over and over again.

01:57:13.000 And that's just what you found.

01:57:15.000 Like, imagine how much hasn't been found.

01:57:18.000 Dude, you just look at the aerial stuff.

01:57:22.000 I mean, Joe, I can't, that's just the tip of the iceberg, man.

01:57:26.000 Like of the content that I mean, I'm going to places in the middle of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out at this one little section, and then I put the drone in the air and you can see the outline of this whole structure, just a little bump in the sand.

01:57:43.000 And no one even knows it's there.

01:57:44.000 No one even knows it's there.

01:57:46.000 What happened to all those people?

01:57:47.000 That's what's nuts.

01:57:48.000 Dude, that's the, like, when I say cradle of civilization, I mean, this was, I don't know, whatever's bigger than a cradle.

01:57:58.000 Well, that's what makes sense, right?

01:58:00.000 Because if you think about the ice age, and if all this stuff is pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age, that area is not covered in ice.

01:58:07.000 And it's one of the few areas around the equator that's not fucked up.

01:58:11.000 And it's one of the few areas where people can thrive.

01:58:13.000 So it really makes sense that that would be the area where civilization would not just thrive, but reach very high levels of sophistication where they're able to carve into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures.

01:58:25.000 There's interesting evidence that I forget, I was watching, it was on like Discovery or Nagio or something, but there's evidence in the Okukahe desert.

01:58:36.000 I mean, they're finding another dark trafficking, illegal trafficking web is like the sale of fossils because they're finding whales in the Okukahe desert.

01:58:48.000 That brings me to, I was waiting to find a good point for this.

01:58:50.000 They found that they were using whale vertebrae as stools.

01:58:55.000 So they found this giant.

01:58:56.000 Dude, I want those for my bar.

01:58:58.000 Dude, that's awesome.

01:58:59.000 In 2023, they found what could be dubbed the most heaviest or the heaviest animal ever.

01:59:07.000 Whoa.

01:59:07.000 I've been in touch with that guy's nephew.

01:59:09.000 Colossal blue whale found outside of Peru.

01:59:13.000 Each vertebrae weighs 220 pounds.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, the whole thing with the ones they found, 200 tons.

01:59:21.000 And so, like, as you were just saying, if they're not buried under tons of ice, then these people could, in theory, have found, you know, lots of these giant in the desert.

01:59:31.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 Something else I'm stumbling across.

01:59:32.000 I didn't get into it.

01:59:34.000 Blue whale poop.

01:59:35.000 This apparently got something interesting to it.

01:59:38.000 What's the deal with blue whale poop?

01:59:39.000 So I didn't really get into it.

01:59:41.000 How do you go on these deep dives in the middle of a podcast?

01:59:44.000 Jamie, you're a fucking wizard, dude.

01:59:45.000 You start seeing stuff.

01:59:47.000 Whoa.

01:59:48.000 Doing a poop.

01:59:49.000 Look at that.

01:59:50.000 Neon green.

01:59:52.000 I'm just imagining these giant 200-ton poops.

01:59:56.000 poops and then what you could, I don't know.

01:59:58.000 It's red.

01:59:59.000 Oh, God.

02:00:00.000 What are these people doing with poop?

02:00:01.000 They also think that they could have been eating in a different way.

02:00:03.000 They're just sweeping up shrimp and shit from the ocean.

02:00:09.000 I'm just like picturing what this looked like, you know, in the year zero, where there's a bunch of giant whale bones all over the coast.

02:00:09.000 Right.

02:00:16.000 And who knows what other octopus or whatever the fuck else is.

02:00:19.000 And what happens to that poop when it fossilizes, you know?

02:00:22.000 But no, they're finding that they're, I mean, there is a dark web of trafficking for looking for stuff in the Okukahe desert where they're, where all these prehistoric animal bones are.

02:00:34.000 They found dinosaurs and stuff there.

02:00:35.000 And again, is it just wealthy people that want it for their homes?

02:00:39.000 Is that what it is?

02:00:41.000 This stuff I've seen, it's, I mean, really, that guy and a few other people just kind of going out there illegally looking for stuff.

02:00:49.000 But it has to be valuable for them to be willing to do this, right?

02:00:52.000 So who's buying it?

02:00:54.000 Wealthy oligarchs.

02:00:55.000 I don't know.

02:00:56.000 Where are these five people?

02:00:57.000 I never met one of them that has some stuff like that.

02:01:00.000 I want to go over someone's house.

02:01:01.000 Like, hey, you want to see some shit?

02:01:02.000 We got a whole museum right there.

02:01:05.000 That's probably how you wind up on a list.

02:01:07.000 But I mean, that's there's still so much out there.

02:01:13.000 And I mean, if I just like some of the structures I was talking about, like you literally see a whole adobe wall.

02:01:20.000 You see a whole temple complex.

02:01:23.000 See the remnants of a circular plaza.

02:01:26.000 I mean, there's another if you go to the undocumented temple on this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented.

02:01:35.000 No Ministry of Culture sign.

02:01:37.000 It's not on the Ministry of Culture's database of archaeological sites.

02:01:41.000 How did you find it?

02:01:42.000 Using Google Earth.

02:01:44.000 Wow.

02:01:45.000 And so here's the thing.

02:01:46.000 So circling back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the sunken plazas way down here. 0.91

02:01:46.000 All right. 0.91

02:01:51.000 We have this.

02:01:53.000 I'll suppose it go ahead.

02:01:54.000 So that, well, that's that's what I saw on Google Earth.

02:01:58.000 No, go ahead, continue what you're just saying.

02:01:59.000 So you have the corral supe culture down here, and then you have the they found that sunken plaza underneath archaeological sites in chasm way up here.

02:02:10.000 So you have these two different, and they're saying they were separate cultures.

02:02:14.000 I think they were the same.

02:02:16.000 How far apart are they?

02:02:18.000 200 kilometers or miles, I forget.

02:02:21.000 So what I was like, I was like, well, is there a connection between these two?

02:02:25.000 So I looked in the valleys in between, and I found this with a sunken temple with a sunken circular plaza.

02:02:32.000 So you have them.

02:02:33.000 Found it on Google Earth.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, and then I went and I needed help from one of the guys in the field to point.

02:02:39.000 And a lot of the people in these Pueblos, like, they'll note every now and then you'll get lucky and someone knows the history every now and then.

02:02:47.000 More often than not, it's, yeah, there's some ruins right over there.

02:02:52.000 That's the extent.

02:02:52.000 And that's it.

02:02:53.000 That's the extent of their knowledge.

02:02:56.000 And so that was one of these occasions where the guy was like, if you just go this way and that way.

02:03:01.000 And because I was looking for it.

02:03:02.000 I had a pin on my map, but I was getting lost.

02:03:05.000 So I go and I find this place, and lo and behold, it's a sunken circular plaza, temple structure.

02:03:11.000 I go up on top.

02:03:12.000 There's pottery there.

02:03:14.000 You can see where the Juaqueros have dug things out.

02:03:18.000 There's walls, and it's just unexcavated.

02:03:21.000 Nobody surveyed it.

02:03:22.000 There's no documentation of it.

02:03:24.000 It's just there.

02:03:25.000 Wow.

02:03:29.000 That's it.

02:03:31.000 So that's what I saw.

02:03:33.000 This is what you saw on Google Earth.

02:03:35.000 Okay.

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:36.000 And so you're just looking in between these two areas.

02:03:40.000 Oh, and it's also facing north-northeast, too.

02:03:41.000 That also told me that it was probably something.

02:03:47.000 Okay.

02:03:48.000 And then you see this that you find on Google Earth?

02:03:50.000 That's right next to it.

02:03:51.000 And then you went.

02:03:52.000 And then I went.

02:03:53.000 What?

02:03:53.000 You rented a car?

02:03:54.000 How the fuck are you doing this?

02:03:55.000 Yeah.

02:03:57.000 What happens?

02:03:58.000 You bring these cards back.

02:03:59.000 They're like, where do you get it?

02:04:00.000 Yeah.

02:04:02.000 I have some pictures of driving out in the desert, bed.

02:04:05.000 Like.

02:04:08.000 Okay, so this guy's helping you.

02:04:09.000 Is this a guy a local?

02:04:11.000 Yeah, he was just working in the field there.

02:04:13.000 Okay, so these are the fields.

02:04:16.000 And he tells you where this stuff is.

02:04:17.000 So all the locals know where this stuff is.

02:04:20.000 And then pretty soon I start walking up to it.

02:04:25.000 And this is completely undocumented.

02:04:27.000 And you can see the plaza there.

02:04:30.000 It's all rubble.

02:04:31.000 So something happened.

02:04:33.000 Some earthquake or so.

02:04:36.000 I'm walking up to the top of it.

02:04:38.000 And then.

02:04:40.000 So right now it just looks like rubble.

02:04:41.000 It doesn't even look like it was a building.

02:04:43.000 Right.

02:04:44.000 From the ground, at least.

02:04:46.000 And so many places, I'm like standing right in the middle of the, right in the middle of a site.

02:04:51.000 I don't even know until I put the drone in the air.

02:04:55.000 I think it's coming up here.

02:04:56.000 You'll see a should come up here shortly.

02:05:06.000 There you go.

02:05:07.000 Okay.

02:05:08.000 So underneath all of that is rooms.

02:05:13.000 Right.

02:05:15.000 So you see the bricks.

02:05:17.000 A piece of pottery, some of the walker's took out. 1.00

02:05:20.000 Wow.

02:05:21.000 But that was evidence to me that so underneath this whole thing are walls and chambers and rooms.

02:05:30.000 And you just found this on Google Earth.

02:05:32.000 And it's the same style as that corral soup culture, the early one from 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. 0.77

02:05:43.000 It's just so hard to believe that this is unexplored.

02:05:47.000 And not just that, undocumented.

02:05:50.000 And that you just find it on Google.

02:05:52.000 Thank God for, shout out to Google Earth.

02:05:54.000 You know, Google Earth deserves some props.

02:05:57.000 I mean, seriously, yeah.

02:05:58.000 Crazy.

02:06:00.000 Who would have ever thought?

02:06:01.000 People asked if I used advanced satellite stuff, and I've only used Google Earth so far.

02:06:06.000 Look at this.

02:06:07.000 Clearly, some sort of a civilization was there that just got obliterated.

02:06:14.000 So this was weird.

02:06:15.000 I don't know.

02:06:17.000 It was just a cactus in the middle of it all.

02:06:19.000 It was very strange.

02:06:21.000 I don't know.

02:06:22.000 I don't know.

02:06:23.000 It's tough.

02:06:23.000 I still don't know what to make of that.

02:06:25.000 They can grow anywhere.

02:06:26.000 That's what's weird about it.

02:06:27.000 But it is weird.

02:06:27.000 There's only one.

02:06:28.000 Yeah, in the middle of it.

02:06:30.000 Yeah.

02:06:31.000 But so there's pottery there.

02:06:34.000 I was wondering if it was the sand, there was one more cactus directly aligned with it.

02:06:39.000 Are there San Pedro cactus down there?

02:06:41.000 So these people were probably doing something.

02:06:41.000 Yeah.

02:06:46.000 Something with the old psychedelic cactus.

02:06:50.000 I've got a place to show you.

02:06:51.000 Because San Pedro cactus is where you get mescaline, right?

02:06:54.000 Yes.

02:06:55.000 Yeah.

02:06:58.000 Makes sense that if they have these temples and they have, if there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort of a psychedelic ritual involved.

02:07:07.000 Look at this, man.

02:07:09.000 What does it feel like to just find something that no one even knew existed like this?

02:07:14.000 It's got to be a trip.

02:07:19.000 Like, thank God I was right.

02:07:23.000 They spent 14 hours getting to this place.

02:07:27.000 Thank God there was something.

02:07:29.000 But there have been times, too, where I'll get there and Google Earth hasn't updated itself and there's a plantation planted over some of it, you know, and it's like people like what used to be here.

02:07:43.000 If there's people around.

02:07:45.000 I mean, sometimes.

02:07:48.000 Like I said, it's you can tell, you can kind of tell when it's corporate.

02:07:53.000 The infrastructure in the area is different.

02:07:56.000 But that's the other thing.

02:07:57.000 There's nobody monitoring this.

02:07:59.000 And I was like, what's the solution?

02:08:01.000 Do you pay somebody to call the Ministry of Culture when somebody's coming in with bulldozers leveling things?

02:08:07.000 And what would they even do?

02:08:09.000 Probably the people with the bulldozers just pay them off.

02:08:11.000 Either pay them off or, dude, at that corral site, Ruth Shady, she was shot by land traffickers. 0.92

02:08:19.000 The archaeologist responsible for discovering land traffickers were trying to take over the site, and she was shot.

02:08:25.000 She was killed?

02:08:26.000 She wasn't killed.

02:08:27.000 She was shot.

02:08:29.000 And, I mean, she's as recent as a few years ago is like, we're still not getting protections from them.

02:08:35.000 They sent us one security guard to patrol the perimeter.

02:08:39.000 These land traffickers, man, like, and it's for agriculture.

02:08:42.000 It's for agriculture.

02:08:43.000 It's not for looting.

02:08:44.000 Looting is a happy byproduct for them.

02:08:47.000 It's for the agriculture.

02:08:50.000 Squatters issue death threats to archaeologists discovered oldest city in Americas.

02:08:55.000 The oldest city in the Americas, and you're getting one rent-a-cop?

02:08:59.000 Wow.

02:09:01.000 They called the site's lawyers and said that if he continued to protect me, they would kill him along with me and bury us five meters below the ground.

02:09:10.000 And she's 73.

02:09:11.000 They killed our dog as a warning.

02:09:13.000 Oh, God.

02:09:16.000 They actually, when I think it was, there was, because when they excavate, they do it in seasons and stuff.

02:09:22.000 And there was one season where like land traffickers had started building on part of the site and in the off season from digging.

02:09:29.000 So they had to deal with all of that.

02:09:31.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:09:32.000 It's like the Wild West, man.

02:09:34.000 Wow.

02:09:35.000 Any other sites to show us that are completely.

02:09:39.000 I mean, dude, there's.

02:09:40.000 I know.

02:09:43.000 If you look at Chaveen, C-H-A, it's on the just on the media hard drive.

02:09:50.000 So we're talking about underground structures and hallucinogens and stuff like that.

02:09:53.000 This place, Chavez.

02:09:59.000 No, this is a known archaeological site.

02:10:01.000 And how old is this place?

02:10:02.000 I think 2000, right around zero.

02:10:06.000 Look how far down it goes.

02:10:08.000 How deep does it go?

02:10:09.000 This is nuts.

02:10:11.000 Right?

02:10:13.000 And this is just one part of it.

02:10:16.000 Whoa.

02:10:18.000 And this is 2,000 years old, at least.

02:10:20.000 At least.

02:10:22.000 So they won't let you film in the other section.

02:10:26.000 It kind of looks like this.

02:10:29.000 Why won't they let you film there?

02:10:30.000 Because there's something called the Lanzon monolith.

02:10:32.000 And if you look that up, Jamie, L-A-N-Z-O-N monolith. 0.99

02:10:40.000 So that's it.

02:10:45.000 So they won't let you film in there because too many people go in there and take pictures, and the flash supposedly, so they just, yeah, the flash.

02:10:54.000 Dude, but when I went in there, the security guard was right behind me the whole time.

02:10:58.000 He knew I was going to try to take a picture.

02:11:00.000 Yeah, but you could take a picture with no flash now, especially with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones.

02:11:05.000 You could take some really high-resolution photos.

02:11:08.000 The guard said not enough people know how to turn it off on their phone.

02:11:12.000 Oh boy.

02:11:13.000 So, but when you walk in.

02:11:15.000 The flash is fucking it up.

02:11:16.000 That seems crazy.

02:11:18.000 That seems like voodoo. 0.87

02:11:19.000 Doesn't it?

02:11:22.000 It could do it to paint and stuff.

02:11:23.000 Oh, no, there's no paint on that fucking auto.

02:11:25.000 That's crazy.

02:11:26.000 And it's behind a piece of plexiglass, too.

02:11:28.000 That sounds like they're just control freaks.

02:11:30.000 Like, fuck off, dude.

02:11:31.000 Yeah, they'd make a reason for sure just to tell people.

02:11:33.000 But so there's a whole thing about this place.

02:11:36.000 You saw how deep we went underground.

02:11:38.000 Right.

02:11:38.000 It's in a comparable place with these hallways.

02:11:42.000 And Joe, completely stone-cold sober.

02:11:45.000 That's what it looks like.

02:11:46.000 As soon as I walked in underground, something hits you.

02:11:50.000 It's the air is different.

02:11:55.000 Dude, I don't know how to describe it.

02:11:57.000 And how'd you feel?

02:12:03.000 Lighter and a little messed up in the head, man.

02:12:05.000 Really?

02:12:06.000 Yeah.

02:12:06.000 Do you think there's a lack of oxygen?

02:12:08.000 It's possible.

02:12:10.000 Because it seems like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably limited oxygen because you get these caverns and a hole to the top.

02:12:18.000 I mean, honestly, I wonder if it's built on some sort of, I don't know, like the Greek sacred energy or Delphi with the gases or something like that.

02:12:29.000 I don't know.

02:12:29.000 You're getting gassed in there?

02:12:31.000 All I know is that when you go in, show me that totem again, that monolith?

02:12:37.000 What they found is they found evidence of rituals happening there, like plates with hallucinogenic plants or substances.

02:12:47.000 So people were going down there to do these rituals.

02:12:51.000 And dude, this space, I mean, if you're going to go on a trip, that's the place to do it.

02:12:55.000 Right.

02:12:56.000 Like, that's, it's just, you're in the enclosed space.

02:13:00.000 The acoustics are so weird.

02:13:02.000 It's trippy, man.

02:13:04.000 What is that image on that thing?

02:13:07.000 It's a jaguar?

02:13:09.000 There's a whole bunch of imagery here.

02:13:10.000 That's like the fanged.

02:13:11.000 So for a while they thought they thought this culture, the Chavez culture, was responsible for the onset of religion in Peru.

02:13:22.000 They called it the mother culture for decades.

02:13:25.000 And you see this fanged deity.

02:13:27.000 Dr. Barnhart talks about it a lot, this jaguar-looking deity.

02:13:32.000 They thought it came from there.

02:13:35.000 But there's actually places that I went to where you see it on the coast for older.

02:13:39.000 So it actually kind of flips that whole – it's not the mother culture.

02:13:44.000 But their influence and their reach was extreme throughout the Andean world.

02:13:51.000 So they were responsible for that's when like religion took and iconography got a major influx right after Chavez culture.

02:13:59.000 They had it before, but not like this.

02:14:03.000 So that's what's on that statue.

02:14:06.000 Yeah.

02:14:06.000 Wow.

02:14:07.000 And it's just so ridiculous.

02:14:09.000 They won't let you take a picture because of the flash.

02:14:12.000 That's so good.

02:14:13.000 Somebody said talk to them and go, hey man, shut the fuck up. 0.85

02:14:16.000 That flash doesn't do anything.

02:14:18.000 Devotees would be led into the maze of pitch black tunnels, eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.

02:14:23.000 The worshippers' disorientation, in addition to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro cactus, they were given before entering, only heightened the visual and psychological impact of the sculpture.

02:14:35.000 Wow.

02:14:38.000 I mean, that's.

02:14:40.000 God, people are weird.

02:14:41.000 They must have had it lit up with fire or something fucking sweet.

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:45.000 Dude, it was just going in there stone cold sober and feeling affected.

02:14:50.000 I can only imagine what it was like being on San Pedro.

02:14:53.000 Is that the weirdest place that you've been to in Peru?

02:14:58.000 Soxa Waman seems to me to be the most bizarre because just the size of the stones.

02:15:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:15:05.000 I mean.

02:15:06.000 Like, how?

02:15:08.000 How?

02:15:11.000 I mean, how?

02:15:13.000 What are you guys doing?

02:15:14.000 How'd you do this?

02:15:16.000 How'd you figure out to make them interlocking in a way that if there's a seismic impact, they stay put?

02:15:22.000 How?

02:15:23.000 How'd you get them there?

02:15:24.000 How do they look like marshmallows?

02:15:25.000 I mean, why are they like, looks like they're melted?

02:15:29.000 I've gone on some deep dives.

02:15:30.000 It's funny on that.

02:15:31.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:15:32.000 Fuck, man.

02:15:33.000 The big ones on the bottom, like, how?

02:15:38.000 And it's the style of them, too, which is so different.

02:15:41.000 Where, as you said, it looks like marshmallows.

02:15:44.000 They're melted into place almost.

02:15:46.000 Like, look at that one big one in the center.

02:15:49.000 What the hell is that?

02:15:50.000 How big is that?

02:15:52.000 I forget, but they go up to 200 tons, I think.

02:15:54.000 That's got to be bigger than 200 tons.

02:15:56.000 Don't you think?

02:15:57.000 Probably.

02:15:58.000 Look how small those people are, and those people in the foreground.

02:16:02.000 Get those people right up next to that thing?

02:16:04.000 They'd be tiny.

02:16:05.000 Well, maybe it is 200.

02:16:06.000 I don't know.

02:16:07.000 But either way, that one up there.

02:16:10.000 You know, how rounded these things are.

02:16:12.000 And you can't get a piece of paper.

02:16:14.000 The only way they've been dislodged is because of earthquakes.

02:16:17.000 I mean, like, it's.

02:16:19.000 Bro.

02:16:20.000 Look at the size of that.

02:16:21.000 And look at the way they interlock.

02:16:23.000 You can tell when you get up close, there is this reddish residue.

02:16:30.000 Oh, we can.

02:16:33.000 There's so much.

02:16:36.000 You can see there's often reddish residue.

02:16:40.000 So they were painted at one point in time?

02:16:42.000 I think it was in the Spanish.

02:16:42.000 No.

02:16:46.000 The indigenous people will tell you that, and actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his journals too, like this bird that would take a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock.

02:16:57.000 And after a little bit of time, it would create a hole in the rock.

02:17:00.000 Like it would help kind of melt the stone.

02:17:02.000 Actually, the guy from the video that unregistered megalithic site told me the same story.

02:17:09.000 Okay, I know what you're talking about.

02:17:11.000 Specific type of plant that has like an acid to it.

02:17:15.000 An acid.

02:17:16.000 And I've started to.

02:17:20.000 I like Dr. Barnhart's theory.

02:17:23.000 And there's also a paper on it, a peer-reviewed paper by Helmut Tribuch, where he talks about, look, if you mix pyrite from the offshoot of one of these Inkin mines with this plantish material, you can create like an acid that will slightly deform the stone.

02:17:42.000 So maybe you would set the stones in place that way.

02:17:45.000 Secrets of softened stone, the lost techniques of the Ink from Facebook, so you know it's true.

02:17:51.000 No, no, no, but George Lira was.

02:17:55.000 I did a whole, some of my early videos, man, are like research papers.

02:17:58.000 Like I went, I went on a deep dive with all this.

02:18:01.000 And the Spanish chroniclers talk about seeing gold in between some of the stones.

02:18:10.000 But this guy also, Helmut Tribuch, who wrote the paper, says, what if it wasn't gold?

02:18:13.000 What if it was pyrite fusing the stones, helping to fuse the stones together with this paste?

02:18:19.000 Look what it says there.

02:18:20.000 It says, the technique to carve and shape the stones remains a mystery.

02:18:24.000 According to legends, the gods would have gifted the Incas two magical plants, coke, so coca leaves, which allowed them to withstand pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant that allowed them to soften stones.

02:18:38.000 Softened stones.

02:18:40.000 But you see that red residue.

02:18:41.000 That also makes sense.

02:18:42.000 They did so much work.

02:18:43.000 They're all coked up.

02:18:46.000 making these dope pyramids when I was a kid this was the picture I clicked on but that didn't pop up Oh, that can't be real.

02:18:52.000 No, that's I've seen that.

02:18:56.000 That's an artistic creation.

02:19:00.000 If you pull up, let's do you want to stay on Cuzco or go to one other place?

02:19:07.000 It's up to you, dog.

02:19:08.000 Whatever you want to do.

02:19:09.000 Let's go to Tunnels, Cuzco. 0.99

02:19:13.000 Dude, this whole part of the Andes.

02:19:17.000 Yeah, it's there's tunnels everywhere, man.

02:19:22.000 Like, it's not just what they're doing.

02:19:26.000 So you're climbing down into this tunnel.

02:19:29.000 Now, is this a naturally formed tunnel?

02:19:31.000 Some of it.

02:19:32.000 Some of it?

02:19:33.000 Okay.

02:19:35.000 On the way out, you'll see when I going in, there's steps.

02:19:39.000 Those were actual steps that were built.

02:19:41.000 But these things, dude, you can't get to the end.

02:19:45.000 You can't find people.

02:19:47.000 There are stories where kids get lost in these things and never found.

02:19:50.000 Oh, fuck.

02:19:51.000 So again, these look like natural caves.

02:19:54.000 Right.

02:19:55.000 Some of them have been carved out, though.

02:19:57.000 So it's a combination.

02:19:58.000 It's a combination.

02:20:00.000 So probably there was some natural caves and then they started carving things out.

02:20:04.000 Well, the whole thing about it was...

02:20:06.000 This gets weird.

02:20:07.000 So this is the steps.

02:20:09.000 Yeah, coming up on the right.

02:20:13.000 I mean, it just keeps going on.

02:20:15.000 Oh, I'm not going in there.

02:20:18.000 There's the steps.

02:20:19.000 Jamie, can you imagine you and me outside the door going, uh-uh?

02:20:22.000 I'll go first.

02:20:23.000 I'll follow you.

02:20:24.000 Tell my catch what guide was, man.

02:20:26.000 He was just filming me.

02:20:28.000 Fuck you, bro.

02:20:29.000 I'm not going in there.

02:20:30.000 I was like, I'll go in.

02:20:31.000 There's probably demons in there.

02:20:32.000 That's like that movie.

02:20:33.000 What was that movie?

02:20:34.000 The Descent?

02:20:35.000 Yeah, that's like the great.

02:20:35.000 The Descent, dude.

02:20:37.000 Dude, I love that.

02:20:37.000 That movie is great.

02:20:39.000 I watched it a while ago.

02:20:40.000 I was like, 2005?

02:20:41.000 That's wild.

02:20:42.000 That's an old movie.

02:20:43.000 Yeah.

02:20:43.000 They did a descent, too.

02:20:44.000 It's not as good.

02:20:45.000 Yeah.

02:20:46.000 This is a picture.

02:20:46.000 Okay, it's not the best, but this descent one was awesome.

02:20:50.000 Yeah.

02:20:51.000 One of the best horror flicks I've seen.

02:20:53.000 Yeah.

02:20:54.000 And there's another one, huh?

02:20:55.000 Oh, fuck that hole.

02:20:57.000 Did you go in there?

02:20:58.000 Please tell me how they go there.

02:20:59.000 Oh, John.

02:21:00.000 Of course I did, Joe.

02:21:01.000 Of course I did.

02:21:02.000 Wow.

02:21:04.000 With your Pillars of the Past shirt on.

02:21:07.000 Oh, my God, dude.

02:21:08.000 I don't even think I would fit in that hole.

02:21:10.000 I got a little scared because coming out wasn't easy.

02:21:13.000 I was just reading about this guy who died in one of those holes.

02:21:16.000 A guy was a cave crawler and he got stuck trying to get out.

02:21:21.000 He got in head first and then could not get out.

02:21:24.000 And just was just stuck.

02:21:25.000 Died there.

02:21:26.000 Dude.

02:21:27.000 Like that?

02:21:27.000 Like that.

02:21:28.000 He didn't even scream because his chest was compressed.

02:21:31.000 Oh, God.

02:21:32.000 Yeah, I mean, there's some stuff I've done I'm not going to do.

02:21:34.000 I've got a hole like this, you know, and just couldn't, there's no way to get back out.

02:21:39.000 It's terrifying.

02:21:40.000 Ooh.

02:21:40.000 That's terrifying.

02:21:41.000 You know how that never happens?

02:21:42.000 You don't go in there.

02:21:44.000 You don't go in there.

02:21:44.000 You never dive in a cave.

02:21:46.000 You never dive in a cave.

02:21:47.000 I'll take that into consideration, man.

02:21:51.000 All right, before we wrap this up, anything else you want to show us?

02:21:54.000 All right, one more site.

02:21:57.000 Chisniri, the C-H-I-S. 1.00

02:22:01.000 Which one?

02:22:01.000 There's four videos.

02:22:03.000 Let's just do the drone footage and then Inside Tombs.

02:22:08.000 So this place, I had no idea places like this.

02:22:12.000 It's just me and my guide.

02:22:15.000 Dude, the people I met on this, just by happenstance, he's the president of the community there, the little Compesino, and took 12 hours out of his day to walk me through this place.

02:22:27.000 That's cool.

02:22:29.000 That's another build it and they will come thing, right?

02:22:31.000 It really is.

02:22:32.000 You just go out there and you'll find the right people.

02:22:35.000 Or they kill your dog.

02:22:39.000 Yeah.

02:22:40.000 Okay.

02:22:41.000 So this is this, like, I. Ooh, the paint still on it.

02:22:45.000 It's actually not paint.

02:22:47.000 It's mud.

02:22:48.000 It's different colored mud.

02:22:50.000 That's what he said.

02:22:51.000 So now we're going to go – now in that next video, we're going to walk up to them.

02:23:04.000 Oh, skulls. 0.95

02:23:06.000 The sky people?

02:23:07.000 Do you know?

02:23:08.000 No, the Chachapoyas, the Chachapoyas were much further north.

02:23:13.000 You see that skulled skull?

02:23:15.000 You see that skull, right?

02:23:16.000 This is in the Cusco region.

02:23:19.000 Wow.

02:23:21.000 What the fuck, dude?

02:23:23.000 Damn it.

02:23:23.000 Why are all these dead people in that hole?

02:23:25.000 Whoa.

02:23:27.000 What's going on in there?

02:23:29.000 These were where they would bury their deceased.

02:23:32.000 Did they just chuck them in a hole?

02:23:33.000 No, no, they weren't like that.

02:23:36.000 So this is all just...

02:23:38.000 This is looting.

02:23:39.000 This is all looting.

02:23:40.000 That road.

02:23:40.000 Fucking skulls are everywhere.

02:23:42.000 This is crazy.

02:23:43.000 It's wild.

02:23:44.000 It was like a horror movie.

02:23:46.000 This is like the beginning of a horror movie before it gets dark out there.

02:23:48.000 Right?

02:23:49.000 The guys, these archaeologists, it's probably you.

02:23:52.000 You're out there in the movie.

02:23:54.000 You bring a girl with you. 0.95

02:23:55.000 Have to leave this place before the sun goes down.

02:23:57.000 A hundred thousand percent.

02:24:01.000 Bro, you're going to hear voices.

02:24:03.000 You're going to hear dead languages yelling.

02:24:06.000 No camping in the no camping in the valley.

02:24:08.000 You have to be a gangster to fucking take a nap in there.

02:24:12.000 Ghost hunters should definitely go there.

02:24:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:14.000 I'll get Sam and Colby to go down there.

02:24:17.000 I bet they won't do it.

02:24:19.000 That's real ghost.

02:24:20.000 This is all from looting.

02:24:22.000 Wow.

02:24:23.000 So they just dug these people up, stole whatever.

02:24:26.000 Yeah, that's a spine.

02:24:27.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 Fuck, man.

02:24:30.000 God, there's so many bones.

02:24:33.000 Crazy nuts.

02:24:34.000 It's crazy, man.

02:24:35.000 That's nuts.

02:24:38.000 Well, Raul, I'm happy.

02:24:39.000 I'm so happy that you made that decision a couple years ago to just follow this passion.

02:24:45.000 And the content that you put out is really incredible.

02:24:48.000 And the fact that you've been able to find these sites that are heretofore undocumented, it's really amazing, man.

02:24:55.000 It's amazing.

02:24:56.000 I'm happy you're doing it.

02:24:58.000 And I really enjoyed having you on.

02:25:00.000 And for everybody who wants to watch, it's Pillars of the Past.

02:25:04.000 It's on YouTube.

02:25:05.000 Do you put videos up on X as well?

02:25:07.000 I do.

02:25:08.000 I've started putting videos up on X and my website's going to be up and running soon.

02:25:13.000 It's going to be a place.

02:25:16.000 If you find places and want to put it on a map and if Jamie wants to comment on it, then he can comment on the pin you put.

02:25:22.000 I'm trying to build something because people send me stuff all the time.

02:25:25.000 Right.

02:25:26.000 Have some sort of a thriving community of people that are interested in the same thing.

02:25:29.000 Absolutely.

02:25:30.000 Well, there's an interest for this stuff now.

02:25:33.000 I really credit Graham Hancock, I think, because he was the real pioneer of this when people just thought he was a loon.

02:25:41.000 I remember people would make fun of me for reading his book in the late 90s.

02:25:44.000 They'd make fun of me.

02:25:45.000 Like, what are you reading this bullshit from?

02:25:46.000 Why don't you go to a real history class?

02:25:49.000 That's not fun.

02:25:50.000 This is fun.

02:25:50.000 No.

02:25:51.000 This is fun.

02:25:52.000 It's fun to think that we don't know what happened, but that something happened.

02:25:56.000 And Graham puts in the work.

02:25:58.000 I mean, just look at the citation section.

02:26:02.000 He puts in the work.

02:26:03.000 Yeah, he's an amazing human, which is why they have to lie to discredit him.

02:26:03.000 Of course.

02:26:08.000 But when he put that material out, and then I think the Netflix show really started opening up the gates to people exploring this stuff more and just being fascinated by it.

02:26:20.000 And then seeking out content like yours.

02:26:22.000 And, you know, we're really fortunate now.

02:26:26.000 There's quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube that document this kind of stuff.

02:26:32.000 And these are real mysteries.

02:26:35.000 There's real mysteries when it comes to human history.

02:26:39.000 And to me, it's one of the most fascinating things.

02:26:43.000 I agree with you.

02:26:44.000 So thank you so much for doing what you do.

02:26:44.000 I love it.

02:26:47.000 And get out there again and let's come back and do another one of these.

02:26:51.000 I would be happy to.

02:26:52.000 And just a few plugs.

02:26:57.000 I'll be speaking because of all this, which is just amazing.

02:27:01.000 I still feel like everything's in its infancy.

02:27:03.000 So I'm humbled by the opportunities that keep presenting themselves.

02:27:07.000 But like the Quest for Ancient Civilizations conference in Sedona, and then it's actually going to be here in Austin, too.

02:27:17.000 Two kooky places.

02:27:18.000 ACL Live, I think, is an amazing venue.

02:27:22.000 That's going to be in October.

02:27:24.000 And then I'm doing a tour with Mike Collins from Wandering Wolf in the Yucatan, and with Hugh Newman, we're doing a Let me ask you about that.

02:27:32.000 What do you think about that sage wall?

02:27:33.000 Because he's the guy that goes over the sage wall.

02:27:36.000 You think it's a natural formation?

02:27:37.000 I think it's more likely the way I operate is I tend to remain skeptical.

02:27:47.000 I would like multiple pieces of evidence.

02:27:50.000 There's also similar things nearby that aren't as spectacular that are natural, right?

02:27:56.000 I believe so, yes.

02:27:58.000 Yeah, there's something about the geology of the area.

02:28:01.000 And I found places like that in Peru as well.

02:28:04.000 I mean, I'm waiting for, they've done LIDAR studies of that stuff.

02:28:09.000 For me, just to have one wall, I need, I personally need more than just that.

02:28:17.000 And I mean, I found some stuff like that in Peru, and I'm very hesitant to say this is megalithic architecture.

02:28:24.000 This also needs more study.

02:28:25.000 For people that are interested, just to let you know, there's a lot of AI images online.

02:28:29.000 And when you go to look for the sage wall, sometimes you're confronted with ones like, oh, my God, that for sure is man-made.

02:28:36.000 But then it's not a real image.

02:28:38.000 Someone's created an image or doctored the image to make it look a little bit more man-made.

02:28:43.000 I will say, Mike Collins has done a ton of work on it.

02:28:46.000 So if you want to see the original footage, it's on his channel.

02:28:50.000 Very, very interesting footage.

02:28:51.000 I mean, I go back and forth.

02:28:54.000 Depending upon how old it is.

02:28:55.000 So that's the thing.

02:28:56.000 Like, if you're talking about something that's 30,000 years old, maybe that's all that's left.

02:29:00.000 I forget he was saying they found that it goes a lot deeper than it or something like that.

02:29:05.000 So it's like for me.

02:29:06.000 Which makes it more interesting.

02:29:07.000 Which makes it more interesting.

02:29:08.000 And I'm like, I just, I, I like, keep drag, like, let's see.

02:29:12.000 Keep figuring it out.

02:29:13.000 I'm in Texas, too, that I haven't found a good answer for.

02:29:15.000 Yeah, I've heard of that.

02:29:17.000 Yeah.

02:29:17.000 200 to 400,000-year-old wall.

02:29:21.000 I think a guy in 1925 claimed that and probably just got people to pay attention and come visit.

02:29:26.000 But I don't have a good answer that I've come across on what it is or how old it is.

02:29:32.000 Go to that one below, to the right of your cursor.

02:29:34.000 Right here.

02:29:35.000 To the right of it?

02:29:36.000 Yeah.

02:29:36.000 Right there.

02:29:37.000 Look at that.

02:29:38.000 Huh.

02:29:39.000 I will say, though.

02:29:40.000 That could be natural formation.

02:29:43.000 I mean, the Earth does a lot of weird things.

02:29:47.000 That's not convincing to me.

02:29:49.000 It's just interesting.

02:29:50.000 No, can I put it back up again, though?

02:29:52.000 But I'm aware of it.

02:29:53.000 I'm just like, I'm looking at that extraterrestrial.

02:29:55.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:29:57.000 Extraterrestrials do a way better job.

02:30:00.000 They might have built the pyramids.

02:30:02.000 They didn't build this.

02:30:03.000 It was shitty fucking cobblestones.

02:30:03.000 Fuck out of here.

02:30:07.000 Yeah.

02:30:08.000 Got non-union guys came in.

02:30:10.000 I'll do the job for cheap.

02:30:12.000 Well, maybe they got their laser beams.

02:30:15.000 Oh, wait a minute.

02:30:16.000 I think that's the guy I found when they found it.

02:30:16.000 That looks real.

02:30:18.000 Oh, that looks like a wall.

02:30:19.000 But it's also, I've seen four versions of this picture, and one's in color.

02:30:23.000 Dude, it's so hard nowadays to you got to put in some work to find the truth.

02:30:27.000 Yeah, that is weird.

02:30:31.000 But that doesn't look real.

02:30:34.000 That looks like it's just the strata.

02:30:36.000 Well, but it's not consistent all the way through.

02:30:38.000 What the fuck do I know?

02:30:39.000 Again, I don't even know what we're looking at.

02:30:41.000 Who knows?

02:30:42.000 That's here in Texas, right?

02:30:43.000 Yes.

02:30:44.000 Yeah.

02:30:45.000 Maybe we'll go one day.

02:30:47.000 Pillars of the past, YouTube, awesome.

02:30:49.000 Thank you.

02:30:50.000 Really appreciate you.

02:30:51.000 It was a lot of fun today.

02:30:52.000 Appreciate it.

02:30:52.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:30:53.000 Thank you.

02:30:54.000 All right.

02:30:54.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 05, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky

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