The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2452 - Roger Avary

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00:00:12.000 Come on, Roger! 1.00

00:00:14.000 Yeah, fuck it. 1.00

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00:00:20.000 That's a classic.

00:00:21.000 Yeah.

00:00:22.000 That's a classic look behind the scenes. 1.00

00:00:25.000 Fucking crazy people telling you the news. 1.00

00:00:25.000 Do it live. 1.00

00:00:28.000 Yeah.

00:00:29.000 That's good.

00:00:30.000 And the William Shatner one where the studio guy, you know, he says Shatner is doing some ADR for the cartoon, the Star Trek cartoon.

00:00:44.000 And he says, you know, he uses the word sabotage.

00:00:48.000 And he gets corrected by the studio guys.

00:00:52.000 Like, Bill, it's pronounced sabotage.

00:00:55.000 Please don't correct me.

00:00:57.000 It disgusts me.

00:00:58.000 It sickens me. 0.96

00:01:00.000 And you say sabotage.

00:01:02.000 I say sabotage.

00:01:05.000 I absolutely love William Shatner. 1.00

00:01:09.000 My favorite ones are the Or, excuse me, fuck. 0.99

00:01:14.000 Well, I can't remember his name. 0.99

00:01:16.000 Rosebud.

00:01:17.000 Orson Welles.

00:01:18.000 Orson Welles.

00:01:18.000 Jesus Christ.

00:01:19.000 What happened?

00:01:20.000 You started saying it.

00:01:21.000 I know.

00:01:21.000 My brain just said, nope, no access.

00:01:21.000 What happened?

00:01:24.000 When Orson Welles was doing the Gallo wine commercials.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:27.000 Remember those days?

00:01:28.000 Orson Welles.

00:01:29.000 Silena wine before it's time.

00:01:32.000 I know.

00:01:33.000 Everything was like an exhaustive sucking of air to come in.

00:01:37.000 But then he was making fun of how shitty the wine was in between takes, like he was angry.

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 There is a CD that you can get.

00:01:47.000 I can't remember what it's called, but I have them at home.

00:01:49.000 And it's like all these radio things like that, where just when celebrities, you know, lose it while doing voiceover and ADR, it's hilarious.

00:01:59.000 Orson Welles is a crazy story, right?

00:02:01.000 Because when he made that movie, when he made Citizen Kane, which was about William Randolph Hearst, William Randolph Hearst essentially shut down one of the most talented guys alive at the time.

00:02:12.000 Shut down his career. 0.94

00:02:13.000 Yeah, because the movie was kind of an insult about, you know, the whole thing about Rosebud is that's the name of his girlfriend's clitoris. 1.00

00:02:21.000 Oh, really? 0.99

00:02:22.000 That was his nickname for her clitoris. 1.00

00:02:24.000 And so Orson Welles was doing a kind of very, like, like he was jabbing at him in a very low-level way. 0.98

00:02:34.000 Like, really?

00:02:36.000 Yeah, Rosebud. 0.99

00:02:37.000 How did he know that that was the nickname of his girlfriend's clitoris? 0.98

00:02:40.000 People in Hollywood know these things. 0.99

00:02:42.000 Oh, boy.

00:02:42.000 Word gets around.

00:02:44.000 Word gets around.

00:02:46.000 I would keep that one just to her.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 Who told?

00:02:49.000 Yeah.

00:02:50.000 That's crazy.

00:02:51.000 But I mean, if you go back to like War of Worlds and then Citizen Kane, I mean, this guy was a dynamo, and then they shut him down.

00:02:58.000 Well, yeah, and he was doing things that nobody else would do.

00:03:01.000 It's like he's like, oh, I want the camera down here, like on the phone.

00:03:05.000 Well, we can't get the camera lens down that low.

00:03:08.000 What you're talking about is impossible to do.

00:03:09.000 And so he would just grab a pickaxe and just start chopping away at the studio concrete and dig a hole in the ground so you can put the camera down that low.

00:03:19.000 Yeah, he was obsessed with getting a vision on screen that was, even today, is so advanced.

00:03:19.000 Oh, really?

00:03:28.000 There's a shot in the very beginning when young Kane is like a little kid and he's out there playing with Rosebud.

00:03:34.000 He's out there playing with the sled in the snow and the camera is on him and then it kind of starts pulling back and it pulls through a window and then we see his parents and the trust attorney and the camera keeps backing up all the way into the room.

00:03:49.000 Well, to do that in a studio and to have all that snow and everything, you need so much light, but you also need a lot of light inside the, because the exposure change.

00:03:59.000 It's like an amazing, incredible dolly shot, a reverse tracking shot.

00:04:05.000 It's fantastic.

00:04:06.000 And what year did he do this, too?

00:04:10.000 I don't know the exact year.

00:04:12.000 Citizen Kane has to be 40s, right?

00:04:14.000 Yeah, yeah, probably.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, it's in the 19 late 40s, I would think.

00:04:20.000 Is that when it was, Jamie?

00:04:22.000 Yeah, tell us the.

00:04:23.000 It should be on my, yeah, 41 is when it came out.

00:04:25.000 41.

00:04:26.000 Early 40s.

00:04:27.000 Early 40s.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 Wow.

00:04:29.000 Wow, let me see that shot. 0.92

00:04:30.000 Can we find that?

00:04:30.000 Wartime.

00:04:31.000 Wartime.

00:04:31.000 It's a wartime film.

00:04:32.000 What, Jamie?

00:04:33.000 I was looking for it.

00:04:34.000 I was lost in some other ones.

00:04:35.000 Wartime 40s.

00:04:36.000 Right.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:04:38.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:04:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I didn't even think of that.

00:04:41.000 Yeah.

00:04:41.000 Oh, my God.

00:04:42.000 There's a lot of stuff going on back then.

00:04:44.000 Probably hard to get people to go to the movies back then.

00:04:46.000 No, it would be easy to go to the movies.

00:04:48.000 In fact, wartime and depression and when things are bad, that's usually the best time for entertainment because people just want to escape.

00:04:56.000 Oh, well, that actually makes sense.

00:04:59.000 Be careful, Charles.

00:05:01.000 Will you muffler around your neck, Charles?

00:05:03.000 Cain, I think we shall have to tell him now.

00:05:06.000 Yes.

00:05:07.000 I'll sign those papers now, Mr. Thatcher.

00:05:10.000 You people seem to forget that I'm the boy's father.

00:05:12.000 It's going to be done exactly the way I've told Mr. Thatcher.

00:05:15.000 There ain't nothing wrong with Colorado.

00:05:17.000 I don't see why we can't raise our own son just because we come into some money.

00:05:21.000 If I want, I can go to court.

00:05:23.000 A father has a right to a board of the beats his bill and leaves worthless stock behind.

00:05:28.000 That property is just as much my property as anybody's, now that it's valuable.

00:05:32.000 And if Fred Graves had any idea all this was going to happen, he'd have made out those certificates in both our names.

00:05:37.000 However, they were made out of Mrs. Kane's name.

00:05:40.000 So in order to maintain that background exposure of the little kid in the window and the foreground, what you're not knowing is how much light they're using on the interior part in order to create that balance between the two with the film stocks back then.

00:05:54.000 And the other thing is that table gets flown in.

00:05:57.000 Like they move that table into the shot because it's in the way of the camera move.

00:06:01.000 Wow.

00:06:01.000 And so there's all sorts of like, you know, mathematics going on in the creation of this shot.

00:06:06.000 And most people would just, you know, be like, oh, just, you know, shoot the kid outside and then cut inside and just do it like that.

00:06:12.000 But, you know, Wells was, I mean, he was thinking on a complete other level.

00:06:16.000 It's just, we've robbed, we got robbed of so many films.

00:06:19.000 If you really think about it, what he could have made.

00:06:22.000 You know, yes and no.

00:06:24.000 My favorite film of his is Touch of Evil.

00:06:26.000 And there's this amazing shot with Charlton Heston where he's playing a Mexican and he's got like this like pencil thin mustache. 0.98

00:06:35.000 And like Chuck Heston as a Mexican is fantastic.

00:06:38.000 And then everybody's so sweaty in the movie and it takes place in Mexico, but it's shot in Venice, California.

00:06:44.000 And so the whole opening, which is this setting of a bomb in the trunk of a car, and then, yeah, here's the opening shot.

00:06:51.000 And you can tell that it's actually downtown Venice.

00:06:54.000 And this is supposed to be Mexico?

00:06:56.000 Yeah, this is supposed to be like a border town in Mexico.

00:06:59.000 I don't know if it's Tijuana or some other border town, but he does this amazing, amazing single shot.

00:07:08.000 Wow.

00:07:09.000 And which back then, this is really hard to do.

00:07:12.000 And this is kind of a, I mean, it's Charlton Heston essentially saying, I believe in Orson Wells and his vision.

00:07:20.000 This is crazy.

00:07:21.000 That's downtown Venice.

00:07:23.000 The beach is just beyond that.

00:07:24.000 Ah, wow.

00:07:27.000 God, what year is this?

00:07:28.000 I'm sorry, the beach might be behind us.

00:07:30.000 What year is this?

00:07:31.000 1958?

00:07:32.000 Yeah, 1958.

00:07:33.000 Wow.

00:07:36.000 It's an incredible shot.

00:07:39.000 And this is incredibly difficult to do as well because you've got a crane.

00:07:43.000 And now you're following the people.

00:07:44.000 Now you're following the people.

00:07:45.000 And there's Charlton Heston with his mustache.

00:07:48.000 And we know as an audience that there's a bomb in that car, but he doesn't know.

00:07:54.000 And so he's still, you know, just the fact that this is all one shot is crazy.

00:08:02.000 And for back then, I mean, it's a big deal.

00:08:04.000 Back then, the camera that you're using isn't just some little handy cam or something like that now, you know, an iPhone.

00:08:11.000 It's a Mitchell BNCR, which is, you know, it takes four guys to move that camera.

00:08:15.000 It's made out of cast iron.

00:08:17.000 You know, it's a giant camera with a blimp.

00:08:21.000 A blimp?

00:08:21.000 A blimp is a soundproofing device.

00:08:24.000 So you have the camera and then you've got to build a giant encasing for the camera.

00:08:28.000 Because it makes so much noise.

00:08:30.000 You don't want to hear that?

00:08:32.000 What did that look like?

00:08:33.000 I have one in my home.

00:08:35.000 Of course you do.

00:08:39.000 That shot's incredible.

00:08:41.000 I would have never, I didn't know that film existed.

00:08:43.000 I bought mine from this commercial director named Charles Wittenmeyer, and he had a massive collection of stuff and then he liquidated everything.

00:08:50.000 He just kind of cashed out of Los Angeles and he had a warehouse full of stuff.

00:08:54.000 And so I went in and he's like, you know, well, here's, you can get this and you can get this.

00:08:58.000 I was like, okay, the Mitchell BNCR.

00:09:00.000 And we went over to it and he's like, you know, this Mitchell BNCR was used to shoot The Godfather.

00:09:08.000 So that's what it looks like with the big lid on it?

00:09:10.000 Yeah, that's actually, yeah, that's basically the camera.

00:09:13.000 That's the camera.

00:09:14.000 They also have some cameras.

00:09:14.000 The blimp is the thing on top of it?

00:09:16.000 Yeah, the blimp is, well, the whole thing is actually, the whole thing is a blimp.

00:09:20.000 I mean, well, there's a smaller area with a blimp on it.

00:09:25.000 The big one, like, the whole thing is a blimp.

00:09:27.000 And when you can actually open up all of these trap doors on it to reveal the camera inside of it.

00:09:33.000 And then the reels that are in.

00:09:35.000 There you go.

00:09:36.000 There's an opened one.

00:09:37.000 An opened up one.

00:09:39.000 One.

00:09:39.000 It looks like it's holding an Aerie on the inside, an Aerie 100.

00:09:42.000 One of the things about old movies is they would let a scene cook.

00:09:47.000 You know, you had so much time before people would talk.

00:09:50.000 And you just let the average daily life sort of play out.

00:09:56.000 And it set the tone for the film.

00:09:59.000 And they don't, now it's like, it's like built for Netflix.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, well, now you have a white paper that Netflix gives you.

00:10:06.000 And that I think, was it Ben Affleck that was talking about it?

00:10:09.000 You know, how you've got to have a beat in the beginning and you've got to have this and this and this and regular things.

00:10:14.000 I mean, there was this book by Sid Field, which was a screenwriting book that, you know, at one hand, it gave a kind of formula on what a movie should be.

00:10:24.000 You know, by page seven, your inciting event should happen.

00:10:27.000 And by page 30, the first, you know, he had everything mapped out by page.

00:10:31.000 And that eventually found its way into the hands of studio executives.

00:10:34.000 And they were like, oh, now we know what a screenplay is supposed to be structured like, you know, in order to have proper story arcs and structures and a satisfying design.

00:10:45.000 And that's just the next iteration is Netflix giving you a white paper saying you have to shoot with these cameras.

00:10:52.000 You have to process at these labs.

00:10:55.000 You have to have tech specs that are within this range.

00:11:00.000 And that's now extending to story because they've analytically looked at what audiences are able to process now, which is less and less, probably because of the COVID shot, completely frying their pineal glands so that they can no longer pay attention to anything.

00:11:17.000 And then on top of that, the mind control device of cell phones.

00:11:24.000 And with all of that, they're now like, well, how do we maintain the audience?

00:11:29.000 And so you end up with white papers.

00:11:31.000 Don't you think it's options too?

00:11:33.000 It's almost like if something is not really fascinating within the first 20, 30 seconds, people just want to, let's see what else is on.

00:11:40.000 They just want to keep searching.

00:11:42.000 Well, there is that.

00:11:43.000 I mean, there's something magical about being in a movie theater.

00:11:46.000 You know, it's, you know, you're in this congregation.

00:11:52.000 You know, Quentin always talks about how, you know, movies are my church.

00:11:56.000 Well, it is a congregation, and you're having, you're sitting in the dark next to someone you don't even know.

00:12:02.000 They might have completely different ideologies, race, creed, color, like everything is different about them.

00:12:10.000 And yet you're sitting in the dark next to them, having this ecstatic dream, this waking dream, sitting like insects looking at the flicker on the screen, and you're sharing this kind of experience that you're physically trapped in.

00:12:24.000 You don't get up and leave the theater and, well, you might if you have to go to the bathroom or get some popcorn or something, but they'll even bring that to you now.

00:12:32.000 You're having this kind of ecstatic experience, absorbing the movie with someone you don't know, and you're sharing your bodily electricity with them.

00:12:40.000 And I think this kind of, this is the magic that they often talk about of movies.

00:12:45.000 It's not necessarily the movie itself on screen.

00:12:50.000 It's the shared experience of being next to people.

00:12:53.000 Yeah.

00:12:54.000 And there is a kind of unseen electricity between people.

00:13:00.000 Absolutely.

00:13:01.000 It unifies us.

00:13:02.000 And I think that there are dark forces in the universe that are attempting to divide people up and to take that away, to take away that congregation.

00:13:11.000 Do you really think that that's by design, or do you think that's just a natural function of streaming and televisions and phones and having access to things instantaneously?

00:13:21.000 I personally think that streaming was by design to eliminate residuals.

00:13:26.000 So design, but isn't it just a function of new technology emerging?

00:13:29.000 You notice that all of the executives – Well, yeah.

00:13:32.000 I mean, part of it is technology, but technology gets pushed and brought to the forefront for specific reasons.

00:13:36.000 And, you know, digital cinema hasn't been the greatest thing for the creative process.

00:13:43.000 And I think we see that in the works that we're looking at.

00:13:46.000 I mean, if you watch stuff on Netflix and whatnot, we can see that it doesn't have the same power and impact.

00:13:56.000 And also, you know, when you were making a movie, when you were making a film on film, it was like every time you turn on the camera, you're burning money.

00:14:07.000 It's like every single frame is like four cents or whatever, whatever the calculation was.

00:14:13.000 And so that was actually an expensive part of the process.

00:14:16.000 And so, you know, there was all this preparation to get everything ready.

00:14:20.000 Like, oh, we want to get all of the props in place, you know, right before we shoot.

00:14:24.000 And the actors are in their trailer and they're figuring out what they're going to do.

00:14:29.000 And then you're on your way to set and people are like, hey, I'll see you in the moment.

00:14:32.000 And what they mean by that is when the cameras turn on and you actually hear that happening, suddenly everything pops into play.

00:14:41.000 And suddenly you're performing in front of, you know, what you're attempting to do is capture lightning in a bottle.

00:14:50.000 And you don't even know that you have it right away.

00:14:52.000 You ask your DP, like, do we have it?

00:14:54.000 And it's like, oh, well, there was some dust in the frame or a hair in the frame.

00:14:58.000 Let's get another one.

00:14:59.000 You get another one.

00:15:00.000 And like, then you hold that all in the dark, all that film, because you can't Can't expose it, and you send it off to the lab.

00:15:07.000 And then some alchemist at the lab at the castle, you know, puts it into a potion, and he, and the next day, what comes out are these like little stained glass windows, and you watch it, and you realize what you got.

00:15:18.000 You're like, we did it!

00:15:19.000 We captured something.

00:15:21.000 Okay, now everything is different.

00:15:23.000 You, you know, you show up on set, and everything's digital, and you've got producers, and network executives, and broadcasters, and everybody's there, studio people in Video Village, and they set up like a little tent, and everybody's sitting there in their Canadian goose jackets on high chairs, and they're looking at a big color-corrected monitor, and there's a guy doing color correction in a van.

00:15:49.000 And they're basically watching an approximation of what it's going to look like in the end.

00:15:54.000 And they're sitting there.

00:15:55.000 Okay, on my first film, there was none of that.

00:15:57.000 I had to stand next to the camera.

00:15:58.000 We didn't even have videotapes.

00:16:00.000 Stand next to the camera and look at the actors and see, did the actors do what I wanted them to do?

00:16:05.000 And now, you know, they just turn on the camera, and it costs more money to stop the camera and to restart it again.

00:16:13.000 So you just let it roll.

00:16:14.000 And you're just like letting it go.

00:16:16.000 And you're like, hey, the director now is like, hey, go back, start over, and smile this time.

00:16:22.000 And then they redo it.

00:16:24.000 And then the editor is now like having to take those takes and separate them in the editing room.

00:16:30.000 And the actors are like, suddenly, the moment is gone, in other words.

00:16:34.000 It's vanished.

00:16:36.000 Is there a way to do both?

00:16:37.000 I mean, is it the medium of film?

00:16:39.000 I mean, it seems the environment as well.

00:16:43.000 You're describing an environmental thing, right?

00:16:45.000 Well, video village, executives.

00:16:47.000 And the problem is now suddenly you've got a chorus of people sitting there who are like, oh, yeah, you got it.

00:16:52.000 I saw he got it.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, you got it.

00:16:53.000 Didn't you get it?

00:16:54.000 But you as the director still have to run back and forth to the camera and to the actors and everything.

00:16:57.000 And you're like trying to keep it all in place.

00:17:00.000 And look, neither is worse than the other.

00:17:06.000 They are both paint, but one is watercolor and one is oil paint.

00:17:11.000 And those are opposingly different.

00:17:14.000 You know, if you were an oil artist during the British Renaissance of watercolor paint, where all of a sudden watercolor came out and everybody wanted watercolor, why would you try to make your watercolor paint look like oil or vice versa?

00:17:32.000 They're just completely different mediums.

00:17:34.000 They're both paint, but they're different.

00:17:36.000 And so digital has its advantages and its purposes.

00:17:40.000 You can, you know, because you can run like a long mag of video, I call it video.

00:17:48.000 Everybody calls it digital cinema, but that was just to push it through.

00:17:53.000 And actually, the technology is different.

00:17:56.000 With film, light travels through the glass.

00:18:00.000 It travels through a gate.

00:18:02.000 It exposes the silver and the acetate.

00:18:05.000 And then you keep it all in the dark and send it away.

00:18:09.000 With video, the light travels through the glass.

00:18:12.000 It strikes the golden sensor and then it bounces back into the glass.

00:18:17.000 And that's why video or digital cinema is flatter by nature than most film.

00:18:23.000 And so to combat this, filmmakers have started to do the exact opposite of what we used to do.

00:18:30.000 It used to be that you would go to shoot something, you're outside, you're on set, I've got my camera on Joe, and I have the sun behind me because I want all that light on you, for the most part.

00:18:41.000 I'm over-exaggerating my point.

00:18:44.000 And the analogy would be, or the saying would be that at the end of the day, you go home and the back of your neck is sunburned because you've always had the light behind you.

00:18:52.000 Now, because the image is flatter, they rotate the camera 180 degrees and they shoot into the sun to get lens flare.

00:18:59.000 And Lens Flair gives you the illusion of depth where there is none.

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00:20:20.000 I always thought that like when you would watch soap operas, I was like, why do they look so weird?

00:20:25.000 And it's because they were shooting them on video instead of on film.

00:20:29.000 Like when we were filming News Radio, the sitcom, we were doing it on film.

00:20:34.000 And they were like really adamant about doing it on film.

00:20:37.000 Like they really wanted it to be on film.

00:20:39.000 And then there was some process where you could make video look like film.

00:20:42.000 And I was like, this is so interesting.

00:20:44.000 It's like we're designed, like when you take your photo with your camera on your phone and you use portrait mode, which is you blur out the background.

00:20:51.000 So you're making it shittier.

00:20:53.000 You're doing an artificial.

00:20:54.000 Yeah.

00:20:55.000 That's because we associate, you know, we associate the faults of media as film.

00:21:05.000 Like people think of like old movies as gate weave and sepia tone and dust and scratches, kind of fast motion.

00:21:14.000 Well, when those movies were originally made, the motion was corrected by the cranking of the projector.

00:21:19.000 And so it was natural motion.

00:21:22.000 There was no sepia tone change.

00:21:24.000 There was no dust.

00:21:26.000 It was originally, and there was no gate weave because it was a fixed image.

00:21:31.000 The celluloid hadn't yet shrunk or anything like that.

00:21:34.000 And so we have this kind of filter, nostalgic filter that we associate with what an old movie looks like.

00:21:42.000 And so if you want to make something look old, you start adding all this crap to it.

00:21:45.000 You're adding the faults.

00:21:46.000 And it's the faults of cinema that actually make it really good.

00:21:49.000 It's not the perfection of cinema.

00:21:52.000 In my opinion.

00:21:52.000 Because you would never be able to sell that if that cinema never existed.

00:21:56.000 Like if cinema never existed and video came around and then it was normal video, like soap opera style, and then someone came along and said, hey, let's make it blurry in the background.

00:22:06.000 It's almost like we've become accustomed to the faults and nostalgically we look at them as if it's a positive.

00:22:14.000 And it's also led by, you know, everything is shot on iPhones now.

00:22:17.000 And so that's becoming the cinematic vernacular, the grammar that people are used to.

00:22:22.000 And they now expect that in a big movie.

00:22:25.000 And so suddenly you see something like the latest James Gunn Superman or Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.

00:22:34.000 And they've got these crazy wide lenses where there's no distortion and, you know, kind of infinite depth.

00:22:40.000 And they're shot in a very large format.

00:22:43.000 But what they're replicating is an iPhone.

00:22:46.000 Right.

00:22:47.000 And it just, I watched both of those movies and I thought, okay, both of them are amazingly technically competent.

00:22:55.000 And they're made by, you know, like highly professional people, but, you know, it looks like iPhone footage.

00:23:03.000 I'm a huge Guermo del Toro fan.

00:23:05.000 I even loved his book, The Strain.

00:23:07.000 Like, it was really, it was really good till about three quarters of the way through, and it seemed like he just wanted to finish the book.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, probably. 0.87

00:23:14.000 Like, a bunch of shit just sort of just happens in the last quarter of the book where I was like, this is kind of jarring. 0.87

00:23:19.000 It became dinner time. 0.99

00:23:21.000 I was almost like, oh, yeah, put this aside. 0.99

00:23:24.000 It just seemed like, fuck, I can't keep going with this book. 0.98

00:23:26.000 It's what it felt like. 0.99

00:23:28.000 It felt rushed, just my opinion.

00:23:30.000 But I'm a huge fan of that guy.

00:23:31.000 I love Pan's Labyrinth.

00:23:33.000 I love a lot of his films.

00:23:34.000 But I didn't like Frankenstein.

00:23:38.000 You know, like, I love Guillermo, and I love his spirit, and I love his artistry.

00:23:45.000 He is an amazing artist.

00:23:47.000 He's just literally as an artist.

00:23:52.000 His sketchbooks are beautiful, and he brings a great amount of passion to his work.

00:23:58.000 He brings that kind of Mexican passion to his work.

00:24:02.000 And I adore him as a person.

00:24:05.000 But to be perfectly honest, I'm not wild about his movies that much.

00:24:10.000 You didn't like Pan's Labyrinth?

00:24:13.000 I liked parts of it, but as a whole, it just kind of about it, but I mean, Blade 2 is probably my favorite film of his because it's like the least of, well, actually, it's quite a bit of him, but it's just the most accessible for me.

00:24:33.000 I didn't know he did Blade 2.

00:24:35.000 Which one Patton Oswald was in, where he had the whole bit about Wesley Snipes, and then they replaced him with a cooler Wesley Snipes?

00:24:44.000 I think that was 3.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, it was probably Blade 2.

00:24:47.000 I don't remember Blade 2.

00:24:47.000 Blade 3.

00:24:49.000 I don't remember Blade 2.

00:24:50.000 Blade 1 was awesome, though.

00:24:52.000 That's my favorite of all the comic book vampire.

00:24:55.000 Well, comic book movies.

00:24:57.000 Because I was just a giant fan of the Blade comic book series.

00:25:00.000 I also like his Pacific Rim movie, and I like parts of the moment in Frankenstein that I think is, for me, the entire movie.

00:25:08.000 Like, I could have left the rest of it.

00:25:09.000 So much of it was just so melancholic and, you know, it was just like I just couldn't engage with it.

00:25:20.000 But the part that I absolutely loved was at the Miller's house, where he's learning language.

00:25:26.000 To me, that was the movie when he's kind of secretly learning how to speak and how to be and learning morals.

00:25:35.000 And to me, I could have watched an entire movie about that sequence.

00:25:39.000 And it was also beautifully made, that part.

00:25:43.000 Just the rest of it with I could have done without.

00:25:47.000 It was just a little flat.

00:25:48.000 And also, it's like, why does it have, it's so freaking long.

00:25:52.000 Like, he could really learn a lesson.

00:25:56.000 I was going to say he could learn a lesson from Ridley Scott, who just clips through things.

00:26:00.000 Like, he takes, you know, there's a dialogue scene.

00:26:02.000 I'm just going to do the essentials and just get out.

00:26:04.000 Like, it's a commercial.

00:26:05.000 This dialogue scene doesn't need to be any longer than 30 seconds.

00:26:08.000 And he just clips along.

00:26:11.000 Somehow, yet his movies are still like two hours long.

00:26:14.000 Well, they're so involved.

00:26:15.000 You know what I really loved?

00:26:17.000 Nosferrado.

00:26:18.000 Did you see the new Nosferado?

00:26:23.000 I don't want to sound like a persnickety guy, but I had to be in the right mood.

00:26:26.000 I want you to be persnickety.

00:26:27.000 I had to be in the right mood to engage with that movie because I like that guy's first movie, The Vivich or The Witch.

00:26:36.000 I never saw that.

00:26:37.000 I heard it's great, though.

00:26:39.000 I love that film.

00:26:40.000 And he's like a production designer.

00:26:40.000 I think that's a great movie.

00:26:42.000 He's doing a werewolf movie right now.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, of course he is.

00:26:45.000 I love a good werewolf.

00:26:45.000 Of course he is.

00:26:46.000 I did not like his Moby Dickish Lighthouse movie.

00:26:50.000 Oh, I didn't see that.

00:26:51.000 That was the Willem Defoe.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, the Willem Defoe one.

00:26:54.000 was just garish and kind of I felt like lost its way halfway through.

00:27:03.000 And then this latest one, Nosferatu, look, I am a Werner Herzog nut, and so like I adore Werner Herzog and I love his Nosferatu.

00:27:17.000 So for me to watch this guy's version of that.

00:27:23.000 Which one would you like to do?

00:27:24.000 I have to be in the right mood.

00:27:25.000 I have to be in the right mood.

00:27:26.000 I just wasn't yet in the right mood to explain.

00:27:28.000 Which one is Werner's?

00:27:29.000 Who plays Nosferatu?

00:27:30.000 Oh, the incomparable Klaus Kinske.

00:27:35.000 I know I've seen it.

00:27:36.000 I mean, the thing about Werner Herzog, when he made his Nosferatu, the Murnau movie, which is the original Nosferatu, the very first one with Max Schreck.

00:27:48.000 I saw it at the library when I was 10 years old.

00:27:52.000 So the thing about Werner Herzog as a filmmaker is that most filmmakers have their forefathers that they can look back to.

00:27:59.000 They have a generation before them that they can kind of imprint on.

00:28:03.000 And because of the brutality and tragedy of World War II, he had none.

00:28:11.000 There were no German filmmakers that he could look to.

00:28:13.000 And so he had to look to his grandfather, basically, which was Murnau, when he made it.

00:28:18.000 And so his film is almost like haunted by the original.

00:28:22.000 And then he brings, you know, Werner Herzog grew up not using a telephone until he was in his teens.

00:28:27.000 He'd never seen a telephone before.

00:28:30.000 He had grown up like in Upper Bavaria in the mountains.

00:28:34.000 And so he comes like his film is almost displaced in time.

00:28:39.000 It's like skipped a generation.

00:28:41.000 And he does things like he'll show two actors in the most emotional part of the movie when Mina and Jonathan Harker are at the beach and they're basically saying goodbye.

00:28:53.000 And normally in a Hollywood film, they would cut to a close-up so that we could see the tears.

00:28:59.000 We would cut to that close-up.

00:29:00.000 But because his film is, because he's displaced in time, he stays back.

00:29:07.000 Like he doesn't even bother shooting a close-up.

00:29:09.000 To him, it's more melancholic to show them just isolated as figures in a wide shot.

00:29:17.000 And it truly is.

00:29:18.000 And so his film is super powerful that way.

00:29:21.000 And then you have Klaus Kinske, who is the madman actor of German cinema and who is like, I mean, there's a documentary called My Best Fiend, which is about the relationship between Herzog and Kinske.

00:29:43.000 And there's an amazing scene in the beginning of that where Werner Herzog visits the apartment that he rented in, I think it was in Berlin, where he was first becoming a filmmaker and where he first met Klaus Kinske.

00:29:57.000 And he goes there and it's now occupied by these two, just very conservative, this German couple.

00:30:04.000 And he starts going through the house and saying, oh, yes, here, this is where Klaus went crazy and he started smashing it and shitting on the walls. 0.99

00:30:16.000 Because he was an insane guy. 0.93

00:30:17.000 He was like, his whole thing was about provocation. 0.98

00:30:20.000 And so he brings a kind of crazy vampire. 0.72

00:30:26.000 I mean, it feels like a real vampire.

00:30:28.000 I remember it now, but I haven't seen it in forever.

00:30:30.000 What year was that?

00:30:31.000 You mean the Kinske one? 1.00

00:30:33.000 I think it was in the 70s, so I'm thinking it was like 78 or 79, maybe even earlier.

00:30:33.000 Yes.

00:30:37.000 I know I've seen all the Nosferatos.

00:30:40.000 Let me see.

00:30:41.000 Give me a new one.

00:30:42.000 I will eventually see this news.

00:30:44.000 I will eventually see this new one. 0.98

00:30:45.000 It's fucking good, man. 0.98

00:30:47.000 It's good. 0.99

00:30:48.000 The dude who plays The Vampire, what's his name?

00:30:52.000 Guy who played the clown and it.

00:30:55.000 Oh, yeah, Bill Scarson.

00:30:56.000 He's so good.

00:30:58.000 Well, he's so good.

00:31:02.000 So, is this the scene when he meets the vampire?

00:31:04.000 I don't know.

00:31:04.000 I just clicked on it.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, this is.

00:31:06.000 Oh, he cuts it.

00:31:08.000 I mean, that's.

00:31:12.000 I mean, Kinski brings just an amazing empathy.

00:31:20.000 It could give you blood poisoning.

00:31:22.000 Oh, and this is the English version.

00:31:46.000 You know.

00:31:49.000 It's only for the best. 0.99

00:31:55.000 The original jerk in German. 0.99

00:31:58.000 He's incredible. 0.98

00:32:03.000 That's so awesome.

00:32:05.000 And that's probably Kinsky, like, you know, they're supposed to cut, and Kinski just keeps going.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, I mean, Bruno Gens, I think it's Bruno Gens, is probably terrified in real life because he doesn't know.

00:32:18.000 Kinsky's crazy enough where he'll bite him.

00:32:20.000 Right. 0.99

00:32:21.000 And he's got those fake teeth and.

00:32:31.000 Let's sit up for a while.

00:32:36.000 All right.

00:32:37.000 Show me a clip from the new one.

00:32:40.000 You got to see the new Nosferato.

00:32:43.000 I mean, I had never seen a vampire like that.

00:32:45.000 And then I think Salem's Lot was made after the TV movie Sam.

00:32:48.000 Yeah, Sam's Lot is super similar to it.

00:32:49.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 There's a scene when he meets the guy at the castle.

00:32:57.000 I did see one scene from this online with Lily Rose Depp kind of reacting to something which was like very compelling.

00:33:04.000 Go full screen to this.

00:33:05.000 This is when he makes it into the castle.

00:33:09.000 It's really dark, man.

00:33:11.000 He did a fantastic job of capturing the creepiness of it and also the surreal aspect of him being under the trance of this vampire. 0.99

00:33:22.000 You recognize that reality is all fucked up and skewed. 0.96

00:33:25.000 Like time passes very quickly. 0.99

00:33:27.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:33:29.000 He's super confused as to what's going on.

00:33:39.000 I mean, I have to say, this movie feels haunted, as haunted by the Herzog version, as Herzog was haunted by the Murnau version, as if it's a continuation for me.

00:33:51.000 It would be like, I encourage anybody to enjoy all three of them, I guess.

00:33:56.000 Yeah, I wonder if he was haunted by that.

00:33:58.000 I wonder if he was haunted by the original.

00:34:00.000 But this is with the use of all the little step-frame modern ability.

00:34:06.000 Yeah.

00:34:07.000 But it's just the way they made the castle and the way they made him is very unique.

00:34:12.000 There's so many aspects of it that I thought were very unique.

00:34:15.000 Even the way the vampire feeds on people is unique.

00:34:19.000 he's a very, very, very good filmmaker.

00:34:22.000 I just, uh, The midnight war has passed.

00:34:35.000 And my attendants have all red dying.

00:34:40.000 I don't know so much about the way he's talking.

00:34:44.000 It's weird, but it grows on you.

00:34:46.000 It grows on you.

00:34:47.000 Well, I'm sure it has a haunting quality over time.

00:34:50.000 Yeah, like this.

00:34:51.000 The guy just disappears, and all of a sudden he's way far away.

00:34:54.000 There's a lot of that in this movie.

00:34:57.000 So, the scene when they get him to sign papers, when he's get up to that questions about the young clothes, many superstitions here that may seem backwarm to a young man of your high learning.

00:35:22.000 I'm sure Prince Charles was like jacking off to this film before they made that painting.

00:35:29.000 Apparently, he visits Castle Dracula every year.

00:35:34.000 Well, isn't he related to Vlad Tepes?

00:35:37.000 Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

00:35:38.000 I mean, he's German.

00:35:39.000 He's of German ancestry.

00:35:41.000 So I think Prince Charles is related to the original Vlad the Impaler.

00:35:47.000 That would track with the whole baby eating thing.

00:35:51.000 They give you a look at what he looks like.

00:35:54.000 I think it cuts off probably.

00:36:06.000 They don't want to give away too much.

00:36:08.000 Like, you don't really get to get a look at them for quite a while.

00:36:08.000 That was the other thing.

00:36:12.000 And when you do, it's horrifying.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 And the movie is made in Washes of Darkness.

00:36:18.000 It's very dark.

00:36:20.000 I mean, it's very much a candle-lit movie, which I like because I don't like a film where you're pretending that people are in a candlelit, but it's really well-lit.

00:36:30.000 Well, and that's an example of where video actually is a better medium to choose.

00:36:36.000 Right.

00:36:37.000 Because digital loves darkness.

00:36:41.000 And it can do things in darkness that film just doesn't have the capacity to do.

00:36:45.000 And so it's an excellent choice.

00:36:46.000 When we did Silent Hill, we made the choice of whenever we're in the dark, we're shooting on digital, and whenever it's during daylight, we're shooting on film to create a kind of dissonance between the two.

00:36:58.000 And so, and that's largely because digital loves dark, and this is a great use of it.

00:37:05.000 I'm warming up to it.

00:37:07.000 I've been waiting.

00:37:08.000 I bought it on Blu-ray.

00:37:10.000 I have the movie.

00:37:12.000 I mean, I keep it.

00:37:13.000 It's in that stack.

00:37:14.000 I've just been waiting for the right time to expose myself to it.

00:37:18.000 Or I'm in the right mood.

00:37:20.000 I loved it.

00:37:20.000 I'm no film expert, but it's my favorite vampire movie ever.

00:37:23.000 Well, that's actually saying a lot.

00:37:27.000 That's incredible.

00:37:28.000 I loved it.

00:37:28.000 That's incredible.

00:37:30.000 A fun vampire movie is 30 Days of Night.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, 30 Days of Night is great.

00:37:35.000 I love that one too.

00:37:37.000 It's not as good as this.

00:37:38.000 This is a vampire.

00:37:39.000 I think I Am Legend is actually a pretty good vampire movie.

00:37:43.000 The one with Will Smith.

00:37:45.000 I thought they were zombies.

00:37:46.000 Well, they're kind of, it's a contagion film technically.

00:37:49.000 They're not really zombies, but they've been turned into vampire-like creatures in that film.

00:37:55.000 That's a really good one.

00:37:56.000 And then that one that, what's his name?

00:37:59.000 Taitiki Wakatakalakataka?

00:38:02.000 That Polynesian director who did the Thor movie did.

00:38:07.000 God, what was it called?

00:38:08.000 The We Are.

00:38:13.000 I can't remember the name of it.

00:38:15.000 But it's like a comedy version of vampires, like kind of all living in a house and sort of.

00:38:22.000 How old is that?

00:38:23.000 This was made sometime in the mid-2000s, I think.

00:38:28.000 Vampires Living in a House?

00:38:30.000 What we do in the shadows?

00:38:31.000 Yeah, what we do in the shadows.

00:38:32.000 Did you see that?

00:38:33.000 Nope.

00:38:34.000 That is an incredible vampire movie.

00:38:37.000 It's kind of like a mockumentary, like where they're, but it takes all of the kind of vampire mythology and it makes it really, really fun.

00:38:47.000 I've never even heard of this.

00:38:49.000 It's fantastic.

00:38:50.000 This is his best film.

00:38:51.000 This is, I'm sure, the foundation of everything he's done has been on what we do.

00:38:55.000 For me, what we do in the shadows.

00:38:57.000 Huh, that's so crazy.

00:38:59.000 I never even heard of it.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, it's wonderful.

00:39:02.000 Show me the trailer, Jamie.

00:39:07.000 We are granted protection on all the subjects in this film.

00:39:11.000 Oh, it's like a Blair Witch Project type deal.

00:39:15.000 It's been like this the whole time.

00:39:17.000 Deacon on dishes, and it still hasn't moved in five years.

00:39:21.000 You're a cool guy, but you're not pulling your weight in the flat.

00:39:24.000 Oh, I'm glad to hear that I'm cool.

00:39:27.000 No, that's not the point, though.

00:39:29.000 Yeah, Miss Flat meeting about how cool you are.

00:39:33.000 When you get three vampires in a flat, obviously there's going to be a lot of tension.

00:39:40.000 Viago was an 18th century bandy.

00:39:44.000 Look, a ghost car. 0.98

00:39:46.000 Vladislav is a bit of a pervert. 0.99

00:39:49.000 This is my torture chamber. 1.00

00:39:51.000 Deacon's like the young bad boy of the group.

00:39:54.000 I'm supposed to pay rent, but I don't.

00:39:58.000 The trouble with being a vampire is you have to be invited in.

00:40:02.000 Come in the bar.

00:40:04.000 $10.

00:40:05.000 Will you invite us in?

00:40:07.000 We need some friends.

00:40:10.000 The whole movie's like that.

00:40:11.000 It's fantastic.

00:40:12.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:40:14.000 Will you invite us in?

00:40:16.000 Just invite us in.

00:40:17.000 The bouncer's like, no.

00:40:19.000 And they can't do anything about it because they're vampires.

00:40:21.000 Let the right one in.

00:40:23.000 That is, of all the modern vampire movies, I mean, I haven't seen the what's his name, Edgar's.

00:40:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:29.000 The American version of it.

00:40:31.000 No, I hate the American version. 0.60

00:40:32.000 The American version is let them in is terrible. 0.69

00:40:38.000 Like, I had to wash my eyes afterwards with another movie.

00:40:42.000 I didn't mind it.

00:40:44.000 I hated the, but because I loved the foreign version.

00:40:48.000 Which country was it from?

00:40:50.000 I think it's Sweden.

00:40:50.000 Sweden?

00:40:51.000 It's really cool.

00:40:52.000 It's an outstanding, outstanding film in the book is fabulous as well.

00:40:56.000 It's an amazing novel.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, I just love a good horror movie, a well-made horror movie.

00:41:02.000 Because the suspension of disbelief is inherent to the enjoyment of the film.

00:41:09.000 Show me how the guy turns into a monster.

00:41:11.000 Show me.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, make it so.

00:41:13.000 Make it so.

00:41:15.000 And also, you can see, I mean, they have been making Dracula movies again and again and again.

00:41:22.000 It seems like every year there's another vampire movie coming out or every couple years at least.

00:41:28.000 And, you know, there never seems to be an exhausted, the market never seems to be exhausted by it.

00:41:35.000 You know, it's zombie movies.

00:41:37.000 they continue making them you know it's like that's the most overused genre is zombie films Zombie films, zombie TV shows.

00:41:44.000 I mean, how many versions of The Walking Dead are there?

00:41:46.000 There's multiple.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, and I'm not a big fan of the.

00:41:49.000 I like, I mean, the beginning was great.

00:41:52.000 I think first season started, but then when I realized, oh, it's just sadism.

00:41:57.000 And I mean, I get the point.

00:41:59.000 After the first season, I realized, oh, the point is that the Walking Dead are the living.

00:42:03.000 They're actually the Walking Dead.

00:42:05.000 Yeah.

00:42:05.000 Because they've become emotionally.

00:42:07.000 I didn't like that one. 0.78

00:42:09.000 It got into the point where it was just murder porn.

00:42:12.000 Yeah, and that, I mean, I think I even talked about this before.

00:42:18.000 That's a real problem with television is that they're just trying to get the serotonin levels spiked by killing someone that you care about.

00:42:26.000 And real television, you return because you love the characters and you want to return to it.

00:42:31.000 Well, sometimes it's done well.

00:42:32.000 Like Game of Thrones did a fantastic job of doing that.

00:42:36.000 But even that kind of lost its way after a while.

00:42:39.000 Eight seasons.

00:42:41.000 I'm re-watching it right now.

00:42:42.000 We're actually on season three right now. 0.99

00:42:44.000 It's fucking great. 0.96

00:42:46.000 I kind of forgot how great it was. 0.98

00:42:49.000 But when you get to binge it and you don't have to wait like there was years in between seasons because it took so long to produce.

00:42:55.000 Have you seen the Penn Dragon cycle, the rise of the Merlin?

00:43:02.000 Okay, so these days, like you almost don't know where television, where to find television.

00:43:02.000 No.

00:43:09.000 And that's because you can find it anywhere.

00:43:11.000 Like and the main, the mainstay producers of it, the studios and everything, they're no longer reliable in producing quality television.

00:43:20.000 And so suddenly we see stuff rising, you know, out of places that is completely unexpected.

00:43:27.000 And this was produced by the Daily Wire of all people.

00:43:32.000 Yes.

00:43:33.000 And the CEO of the Daily Wire directed it, this guy, Jeremy Boring.

00:43:37.000 Yeah.

00:43:37.000 I hope I'm not mispronouncing his name.

00:43:39.000 His name is Boring.

00:43:43.000 And this is good?

00:43:44.000 Okay, this is, to me, this is better than, you know, it's, I have a very high watermark for Arthurian mythology.

00:43:57.000 Like, to me, Excalibur is the high watermark.

00:44:00.000 And this really went there.

00:44:01.000 This, like, I had a chip on my shoulder when I started watching this.

00:44:04.000 I was like, okay, this is very unlikely that I'm going to enjoy this production.

00:44:08.000 But they did it for like a, for a micro budget, effectively.

00:44:12.000 They made something that is absolutely kind of reinvents the mythology and they do it like proper television where you kind of love the characters and they weave an entire reality and universe that is just fantastic.

00:44:26.000 And it's done for like, you know, for very, very little.

00:44:29.000 You know, they're spending billions making these Lord of the Rings things and like nobody cares.

00:44:35.000 They're just awful to watch.

00:44:37.000 And in the meantime, these guys just, you know, without anybody paying attention, cranked this out.

00:44:45.000 And I've only seen four episodes of it, but I am like completely blown away by it.

00:44:51.000 That's so interesting.

00:44:52.000 The Daily Wire.

00:44:53.000 Anything about it.

00:44:54.000 I think that's part of the problem.

00:44:55.000 Well, that's because, well, like we don't hear about a lot of things.

00:44:59.000 And media is like the least of it.

00:45:03.000 Right.

00:45:04.000 Good point.

00:45:04.000 But certainly with the Daily Wire, the problem is it's associated with this right-wing production.

00:45:10.000 If you can get over that and like and put that behind you, then, I mean, this is, to me, as good as classic television.

00:45:20.000 My prejudice was initially, oh, they're going to somehow or another embed right-wing ideology in this.

00:45:28.000 Everybody's embedding their own ideology.

00:45:30.000 Whenever you make any media, there's usually you have corporate propaganda and personal propaganda.

00:45:37.000 And usually there was a balance between the two.

00:45:39.000 If you're making Midnight Express, for example, okay, that movie was nothing like the book at all.

00:45:47.000 Really?

00:45:48.000 Not even close to the book.

00:45:50.000 And it's a complete alternate experience.

00:45:52.000 And you wonder, why did that movie, why was that movie such a big success?

00:45:55.000 Why was that movie such a overwhelmingly like Oscars and everything?

00:46:02.000 Okay, I think it had a little bit more to do with the politics of what was going on with Turkey at that time than anything else.

00:46:09.000 And, you know, what's his name?

00:46:12.000 Billy Hayes, who, you know, experienced it, lived it, spent the rest of his life basically apologizing for the movie.

00:46:20.000 And because none of it, he wasn't like raped in a Turkish prison.

00:46:26.000 And that's like, that's like a joke.

00:46:28.000 That's like a joke that gets, you know, in airplane, they're making jokes about it.

00:46:32.000 Right.

00:46:32.000 And so, yeah, Billy Hayes, he was the actual character or the person who lived the experience.

00:46:38.000 And so the movie is a kind of propaganda element.

00:46:43.000 And that's like all Hollywood does that.

00:46:46.000 You kind of accept whenever you're making a movie that you're being used in a certain level to do something, whether it's to, you know, on a very basic level, whether it's just to like, you know, mortify or scare audiences or to do things.

00:47:01.000 And we see that more and more, obviously, in media as the director, the personal propaganda, when you have something personal that you want to get on screen, has become more and more diminished.

00:47:12.000 And you have sort of more corporate propaganda kind of taking over.

00:47:16.000 And I think the most probably crass example of that is DEI stuff in movies and pushing characters in situations that are just completely out of whack.

00:47:29.000 Did you see the Star Trek that they tried to make like that?

00:47:34.000 Okay, I'm like a big Star Trek guy.

00:47:35.000 I watch Star Trek every day in my house.

00:47:38.000 We watch like two or three episodes.

00:47:39.000 And I'm not kidding.

00:47:40.000 My wife is like a trekkie. 1.00

00:47:43.000 She is like crazy for Star Trek. 0.95

00:47:45.000 And so she puts Star Trek on, you know, like at around five o'clock.

00:47:48.000 Star Trek comes on.

00:47:49.000 Original?

00:47:50.000 Well, we cycle through, we go chronologically from, you know, the original series through The Next Generation and then DS9 and then Voyager and then Enterprise.

00:48:03.000 And then we look back to, and sometimes, you know, when you show an episode like in DS9, there's an episode called Trials and Tribulations, where all the characters go into the past and they kind of interact with Trouble with Tribles and they kind of blend them into the set and everything that's happening.

00:48:20.000 We'll then go back and watch Trouble with Tribbles or, you know, same thing with Wrath of Khan.

00:48:25.000 We'll do this, you know, so we'll kind of connect it all together.

00:48:30.000 And so, but every day there's at least two or three episodes of Star Trek playing in my house.

00:48:35.000 It's like I usually have to wrestle away the controller to say we're watching a movie now.

00:48:41.000 And so, and my children were like basically raised on Star Trek and, you know, the sort of morals behind Star Trek.

00:48:50.000 And, you know, and people complain about, oh, you know, I don't like DS9 as much.

00:48:56.000 It's not as dynamic.

00:48:57.000 I hate Bejor and blah, blah, blah.

00:48:59.000 But I think Captain Sisko is one of the most amazing captains there is because he's also a father and there's all these like father-son lessons that are going on throughout it.

00:49:09.000 It's like really elaborate television.

00:49:11.000 And by the way, all that kind of DEI stuff is still in it.

00:49:16.000 It's still there.

00:49:17.000 They're exploring all sorts of things.

00:49:19.000 In Star Trek the Next Generation, Riker, who's like the second in command to Picard.

00:49:28.000 In that one, there's an episode where he goes to a planet of neuters that are just, you know, they have one gender and he falls in love with one and they kind of waken up out of their single gender thing and realize, oh, I'm female. 0.77

00:49:42.000 And that person then gets taken and reprogrammed.

00:49:45.000 And then there's an episode where Cork is turned into a woman in order to, for some cockamame-y reason that they come up with in the show.

00:49:53.000 And he kind of likes it.

00:49:55.000 He's like getting into it.

00:49:56.000 So it's not like they aren't exploring gender and not just beating you over the head with it. 0.98

00:50:01.000 It's somehow integrated into good storytelling.

00:50:04.000 And I think something happened at the studios where they fired all of the legacy people and they hired on a bunch of new people who just weren't as good at storytelling and or as respectful of the canon, I guess you could say, is what it was.

00:50:25.000 But those seasons of Star Trek are, which I guess you could call the from the Gene Roddenberry into the Rick Berman era.

00:50:35.000 And I mean, they had such amazing writers.

00:50:37.000 They had guys like Renee Ashaveria and Naran Shankar, and they had technical advisors.

00:50:43.000 And so if you were just into the tech, you could really like, and most of our technology and most of our aspirations have come from Star Trek.

00:50:53.000 Our telephones are basically tricorders.

00:50:59.000 And when we see it on Star Trek, like, oh, we talk to the computer.

00:51:02.000 Well, I want to have that.

00:51:04.000 And so somebody figures out a way to develop that and to make it so.

00:51:07.000 And now we have that.

00:51:08.000 Didn't he actually say computer?

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 He would say computer and computer question.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 Well, like a series, I think.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 And so, you know, it's a, I mean, I think it's a fantastic show. 0.96

00:51:21.000 And then this dweeb Alex Kurtzman comes along and just shits all over everything, just like craps all over it. 0.96

00:51:29.000 And I mean, I went in and met with the guy. 0.96

00:51:31.000 You know, I was like, hey, I will write for scale.

00:51:35.000 You know, I'll write on your new show.

00:51:36.000 I like, I just want to be part of it.

00:51:39.000 Just as an opportunity to work on Star Trek.

00:51:41.000 And he was, and I basically found out he didn't want anybody who had any kind of fondness for the original show.

00:51:46.000 He wanted to do something new and to create something new. 0.98

00:51:51.000 And boy, has he shit the bed in a big way. 0.95

00:51:54.000 And this latest thing that they've made, this Starfleet Academy, now it's still ongoing. 0.98

00:52:00.000 Maybe it writes itself at some point.

00:52:03.000 I think they canceled it.

00:52:04.000 Did they?

00:52:05.000 Good.

00:52:06.000 The newest.

00:52:07.000 They read the room.

00:52:08.000 They read the room.

00:52:10.000 Finally.

00:52:12.000 Didn't they stop the idea of a season two? 0.99

00:52:15.000 That fucking Alex Kurtzman, man. 0.99

00:52:16.000 His company is called Secret Hideout, I think. 0.99

00:52:19.000 He's going to need a secret hideout after all these, like after destroying Star Trek for this latest generation.

00:52:25.000 Are we talking about the newest one, the one with Tignitaro?

00:52:28.000 That's the newest.

00:52:29.000 Starfleet Academy?

00:52:30.000 Starfleet Academy is an abomination.

00:52:33.000 Is that what it was?

00:52:35.000 Yes, I could not get through three episodes of Discovery.

00:52:39.000 And I mean, they're just like, it is just awful, awful storytelling.

00:52:44.000 Well, it's also clunky dialogue and bad acting.

00:52:47.000 It's just horrible.

00:52:49.000 And they're more interested in the corporate propaganda than they are with any kind of personal propaganda.

00:52:58.000 Right.

00:52:58.000 It seems like that's the imperative.

00:53:01.000 It's like they get across this inclusive.

00:53:05.000 The card was terrible.

00:53:07.000 It was sad, actually.

00:53:08.000 It was just depressing for me.

00:53:10.000 And so, like, when, you know, when Seth, what's his name did that show, The Orville?

00:53:15.000 And like, that is like, you know, the proper successor.

00:53:18.000 Like, they brought back guys like James Conroy.

00:53:22.000 I don't know what the Orville is.

00:53:24.000 It was kind of like a comedy version Seth McFarland did.

00:53:28.000 But he hired all the original people that they had fired from Star Trek and basically used them to do his show.

00:53:35.000 And it actually feels a little bit more like a continuation.

00:53:40.000 I never heard of this either.

00:53:42.000 And it's on Hulu?

00:53:44.000 Is it a Star Trek?

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:46.000 No, it's not Star Trek.

00:53:48.000 It's The Orville.

00:53:49.000 So they just ripped off Star Trek?

00:53:51.000 They basically just ripped off Star Trek.

00:53:52.000 And they have a sort of like tongue-in-cheek quality, but they bring all the, you know, all the writers from the original and showrunners and people like that.

00:54:01.000 And the original directors like Jim Con, God, I'm like blanking on his name, I want to say Conroy, but it's, I think it's whatever.

00:54:12.000 And so they bring everybody back and it has a little bit more of the same spirit.

00:54:17.000 Another really good Star Trek-ish thing is Galaxy Quest, something that got kind of buried with Sigourney Weaver?

00:54:24.000 Sigurney Weaver.

00:54:25.000 Yeah, that was good.

00:54:26.000 Galaxy Quest is hilarious.

00:54:28.000 If you love the original series of Star Trek, Galaxy Quest is amazing.

00:54:34.000 It's so fantastic.

00:54:36.000 I love Sigourney Weaver.

00:54:37.000 Yeah.

00:54:38.000 She's one of my all-time favorites.

00:54:40.000 That's a good example of a movie that was like a DEI movie that you never even noticed it was Alien.

00:54:47.000 You have a female lead and you never think about it. 1.00

00:54:50.000 We didn't have like powerful women in movies before. 1.00

00:54:53.000 We've like had them throughout history.

00:54:55.000 Right.

00:54:56.000 You know, the history of cinema is built on, you know, and by the way, a complex woman character can have faults. 1.00

00:55:05.000 Like that's part of it is characters have faults.

00:55:05.000 Right.

00:55:08.000 Characters have things wrong with them.

00:55:10.000 You know, they're not always just dominant and like can do everything immediately.

00:55:20.000 Exactly.

00:55:20.000 Like some of the Star Wars ones that went woke.

00:55:24.000 There was a few of those.

00:55:25.000 Well, yeah.

00:55:25.000 I mean, you know, it's funny.

00:55:26.000 You had, I think it was, I think it was here, Ben Affleck was on, and they were talking about AI and how it always goes to the middle.

00:55:33.000 And, you know, it always goes to the middle.

00:55:36.000 It always goes to the middle.

00:55:37.000 And I was like, like J.J. Abrams always goes to the middle.

00:55:42.000 And boy, was that Star Wars he did, the middle, where he just basically took the Luke Skywalker story and just reinterpreted it with a strong, strong woman, you know, character.

00:55:53.000 And I just thought it was bland and just tasteless and just, you know, nothing new.

00:55:59.000 He just went to the middle.

00:56:01.000 So you don't need AI to go to the middle.

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00:57:01.000 No.

00:57:02.000 No, you just need a mandate.

00:57:05.000 And the thing about Alien 2 is like you didn't know who the hero was.

00:57:10.000 Alien 2 or Aliens?

00:57:12.000 As well.

00:57:13.000 I mean, Alien 1.

00:57:14.000 I didn't like Aliens 2 as much.

00:57:16.000 It was fun, but it was like, why are they so easy to kill now?

00:57:19.000 Why are they so obvious?

00:57:21.000 They were, you know, space marines.

00:57:23.000 Marines are tough.

00:57:24.000 Marines are badass.

00:57:25.000 And Marines can like and the first alien. 0.76

00:57:28.000 But those aliens, they still overwhelm you.

00:57:29.000 I know, but the first alien was clever.

00:57:31.000 He was hiding.

00:57:32.000 He would sneak around.

00:57:34.000 He would jump.

00:57:35.000 You didn't get to see much of it.

00:57:36.000 And that was also cool, too, because it kind of captured you with the suspense.

00:57:40.000 It's one of the best movies ever made.

00:57:42.000 Ever.

00:57:43.000 And it's a 1979 movie, too, which is crazy.

00:57:45.000 People don't even know how old it is.

00:57:46.000 What's funny?

00:57:47.000 I recently went back and started watching all the Ridley Scott movies I hadn't seen.

00:57:52.000 There's a ton of them that I just kind of missed along the way.

00:57:56.000 And I started off with, God, what was it?

00:58:02.000 Oh, I started off with Napoleon because I just missed it when it came out.

00:58:07.000 And I'm like, what?

00:58:08.000 What happened to Ridley Scott?

00:58:11.000 And I have not liked any of his recent alien movies.

00:58:14.000 I just think they're, I'm confused by them.

00:58:17.000 The Prometheus ones.

00:58:18.000 It's just like when you need a web episode in order to understand what the hell he's talking about in the movie, you failed.

00:58:24.000 And they're just like, they're technically technical marvels.

00:58:29.000 Like nobody shoots big canvas cinema like Ridley Scott.

00:58:33.000 Like no one shoots a helicopter crashing like Ridley Scott shoots a helicopter crashing.

00:58:39.000 And you watch Napoleon and sure, the Battle of Austerlitz, amazing to watch.

00:58:47.000 Cannonballs going into the lake and the ice breaking and people falling in the water.

00:58:53.000 But the minute anybody talks in that movie, it just collapses on its own weight.

00:58:58.000 It's just like, you just don't care.

00:59:00.000 My wife was like, this is the worst date movie. 1.00

00:59:03.000 You're not going to sleep with me after this.

00:59:06.000 What's wrong with it?

00:59:07.000 I didn't see it.

00:59:08.000 It's well, Joaquin Phoenix, who, and I think he made a choice because I consider him to be an excellent actor.

00:59:15.000 But in this movie, I think he made a choice to just play it like, you know, contemporary, like he just kind of talks.

00:59:22.000 Everybody else is doing sort of a British or Frenchish accent.

00:59:26.000 Like they're all kind of pretending that they're in a in a period piece, but not Joaquin Phoenix.

00:59:30.000 He just plays it like he just, you know, walked off Hollywood Boulevard.

00:59:33.000 And just like the battle scene, there's no passion in any of his performance.

00:59:33.000 Really?

00:59:39.000 It's kind of this weird, dead, dead performance. 0.86

00:59:44.000 And so he did it on purpose to portray like a sociopath.

00:59:48.000 I think he came on.

00:59:49.000 He was like, I am going to do whatever I want to do the way Napoleon would.

00:59:54.000 And I'm not going to try.

00:59:55.000 I'm a Corsican and I'm not.

00:59:57.000 I'm going to be an outsider to all of these other people who were.

00:59:59.000 I think there was an intellectual idea behind what he did and it completely failed.

01:00:03.000 So I'm like, okay, I adore watching Ridley Scott do these big scenes, but what a terrible movie.

01:00:10.000 And, you know, like failure.

01:00:13.000 And then I, and so then after that, I'm like, okay, let's, let's watch something else.

01:00:17.000 Well, oh, he did Exodus.

01:00:19.000 I've never seen that.

01:00:20.000 Gods and Kings with Christian Bale.

01:00:23.000 Same thing.

01:00:24.000 It's like you start watching that movie and there's some interesting things in the film.

01:00:28.000 He's got like chariot battles and, you know, archers shooting things.

01:00:32.000 And like, you know, whenever he's doing that, like Ridley Scott's like, oh, this is my day on set.

01:00:36.000 And he's got a cigar and 20 cameras.

01:00:38.000 You know, put cameras everywhere.

01:00:39.000 And he's like, shoot from every angle.

01:00:41.000 And he's like a great general, you know, shooting.

01:00:45.000 But the minute anybody talks, that movie falls apart.

01:00:48.000 And actually, I mean, I don't know how to say this, but that movie almost did its best to turn me on the Jews. 0.99

01:00:54.000 Like I'm watching it and I'm like, this is like, first of all, is anybody even Jewish making this? 1.00

01:01:01.000 Like, it seems like nobody involved in it was Jewish.

01:01:04.000 And like, they start like, you know.

01:01:07.000 How is that even possible?

01:01:08.000 Well, Moses, as a character, when he's an Egyptian, when he's like the adopted Egyptian brother, I'm like, totally with him for some reason.

01:01:16.000 And then he becomes Moses after getting like hit in the head with a rock.

01:01:19.000 And all of a sudden, he's, you know, kind of, he's like a lunatic. 0.73

01:01:25.000 And you're like, everybody's following him? 0.99

01:01:28.000 Like, he's like, he's distasteful.

01:01:30.000 He's distasteful all of a sudden.

01:01:33.000 But every now and then they would show a battle scene and it's like, okay, I can like Ridley Scott's doing his thing again.

01:01:39.000 And you know who's also really good in it is, God, I can't remember, Joel Egerton, who plays Ramses.

01:01:45.000 It's really funny because Joel Egerton is, you know, usually you imagine Egyptians when they're cast as being kind of tall and, you know, sort of noble looking and everything.

01:01:56.000 He's kind of like this butch, like sort of tough, you know, wide-bodied butch Ramsey, like just kind of like a tough Ramsey's.

01:02:04.000 And every now and then his Australian accent comes out.

01:02:06.000 And so he's like, oh, oh, he's like an Australian Ramses. 0.60

01:02:09.000 And John Toturo places his father, you know, a bald, I'm like, is that John Toturo?

01:02:16.000 Like, what a crazy choice this is.

01:02:18.000 And so there were all sorts of like interesting things going on in the movie.

01:02:22.000 But again, I was like, oh, this is awful.

01:02:25.000 Is it impossible for you to watch a movie without just becoming hypercritical about all these different aspects?

01:02:32.000 Like how I would do it, what I don't like.

01:02:34.000 Yes and no.

01:02:35.000 So the next Ridley Scott movie I watched, which I stayed away from, and with great apologies to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, was The Last Duel.

01:02:45.000 And I just kind of avoided it.

01:02:47.000 I was doing other things at the time, and the poster looked awful, and I was like, I'm not going to go see that.

01:02:52.000 And then I put it on after watching these other two, and I was like, okay, here we go.

01:02:58.000 Let's go again.

01:02:59.000 And lo and behold, one of the best films of the century.

01:03:03.000 In my absolutely first of all, those guys know how to write a script and I know that they wrote it with Nicole Hofsonotter or whatever her name is.

01:03:13.000 And look at, and look at Ben Affleck like that, when I saw him blonde, I was like that's one of the reasons it kept me away from it, but he's hilarious in the movie. 1.00

01:03:21.000 He's a genius in the film.

01:03:23.000 I never even heard about this.

01:03:25.000 I was gripped by this film and this is a great date movie like this.

01:03:29.000 My wife got turned on after this film, believe it or not.

01:03:34.000 That's hilarious.

01:03:35.000 I don't know anything about this.

01:03:36.000 And Adam Driver is magnificent and like this relationship that these two guys have and it's kind of a Rashamon story, meaning that uh, like Akira Kuracawa's Rashaman, which was three stories that are all sort of the same event told from different perspectives and so, and Matt Damon is like a revelation and this movie says so much about Hollywood.

01:03:55.000 Like when I watched this I was like okay, i'm Matt Damon and Quentin is uh, Adam Driver for sure.

01:04:01.000 Like Adam Driver totally knows how to like you learn about Hollywood in this film and i'm sure they're writing it like knowing about Hollywood, that the way to really get along in court is to join the orgies.

01:04:13.000 You know, to be in the orgy with everybody is like how you get along. 0.99

01:04:16.000 It's like uh uh, we all fuck together and that's how we do it. 0.91

01:04:20.000 But Matt Damon, who by all accounts in this is a great, you know, he's a fighter, he's a great knight, he's true in his heart, but he's just a like a pill to hang out with and he doesn't go to the orgies and because of that he's just kind of marginalized and the whole movie plays off of this friendship that just kind of goes awry, where jealousy comes into play and uh and, and it's ruinous to everything, until they're finally fighting in the very end. 0.68

01:04:47.000 And this is where Ridley Scott just does what he does, which is he has this insane fight between these two guys which, like was just every blow was painful to look at and this to me, was the best Ridley Scott movie i've seen of the century.

01:05:05.000 I mean, I guess Blackhawk Down.

01:05:07.000 I also very much like Gladiator, although Gladiator 2 I throw that in.

01:05:11.000 I never saw that.

01:05:11.000 Throw that in with uh, exodus gods and monsters.

01:05:14.000 It was actually boring to watch.

01:05:16.000 I love Gladiator One, though Gladiator One is magnificent.

01:05:19.000 It had some kind of secret sauce in it.

01:05:22.000 That was fantastic.

01:05:23.000 And Gladiator Two, it just kind of goes through the paces.

01:05:26.000 It's just kind of everybody shows up, speaking of showing up.

01:05:29.000 When Segurney Weaver shows up in Uh Exodus, Gods And Monsters, she's not even trying at all, she knows that she's there for a paycheck. 0.98

01:05:37.000 Like she just shows up and she just like, does not put on an accent of any kind, she just shows up and just speaks the lines and then i'm out of here, i'm going into Morocco or whatever, into Into town.

01:05:49.000 I'm going to go party for a while.

01:05:51.000 You think she just thought it was a bad film and just checked out?

01:05:54.000 I'm not sure what she was thinking, but like she may have been thinking what I mean, maybe she was trying, but I don't know.

01:06:00.000 It just didn't look like it.

01:06:02.000 It just looked like she was so excited when an actor makes a choice with a character and it just doesn't work and they don't realize it, but they're committed to it.

01:06:11.000 And the other Ridley Scott movie that I just watched that I hadn't seen, again, I avoided it partly because of the title of the film.

01:06:20.000 And just nothing excited me.

01:06:21.000 I thought it was a comedy.

01:06:22.000 In fact, I'd been avoiding it.

01:06:24.000 It was on my plex.

01:06:25.000 There it is.

01:06:27.000 I look at the thing.

01:06:28.000 It's got Javier Bardem and Cameron Diaz, and they're all kind of Javier Bardem looking exactly like Robert Downey Jr., like in it, like just kind of this crazy Robert Downey Jr. in his crazy phase, you know, with like colorful glasses and everything.

01:06:28.000 It looks like a comedy.

01:06:42.000 Robert Downey Jr. with like a broken up nose or whatever's going on with that nose.

01:06:47.000 And, okay, so I put on the counselor.

01:06:51.000 And this movie, so looking at that, I thought this was a comedy.

01:06:54.000 I thought, oh, it's going to be a romantic comedy.

01:06:57.000 This movie, after I saw it, I was like, I feel like I've seen too much.

01:07:02.000 I feel like I know too much now about the world.

01:07:05.000 Like, it's, and it, and it, and it's made like right before.

01:07:10.000 And I think this movie was kind of a disaster for Ridley Scott.

01:07:13.000 And he, you know, had to recover from it, I probably, because of the failure of it.

01:07:20.000 But I never even heard of it.

01:07:21.000 It's written by, oh my God, Cormick McCarthy.

01:07:26.000 And so it is dark, dark, dark.

01:07:29.000 And it is an analysis of how power works in the modern world, which is basically a giant cartel.

01:07:38.000 The cartel runs everything, and you cannot escape the cartel.

01:07:42.000 And it is such a spectacular movie.

01:07:45.000 I think that's such a spectacular movie.

01:07:48.000 I loved it.

01:07:49.000 When did that come out?

01:07:49.000 I loved it.

01:07:50.000 Like 2014, I think.

01:07:52.000 2013.

01:07:53.000 Did you ever hear of it, Jamie?

01:07:53.000 2013.

01:07:55.000 I don't think so.

01:07:57.000 There's too much content, though.

01:07:58.000 Well, there's too much content.

01:07:59.000 And yet, Ridley Scott's, and he's cranking out movies like every year.

01:08:02.000 He's doing a movie.

01:08:03.000 It's like just knocking them back, knocking them back.

01:08:05.000 He's constantly making films.

01:08:08.000 And so that was why I hadn't.

01:08:10.000 And so finally, I was like, well, I got to catch up on some Ridley Scott.

01:08:13.000 And Quentin had been talking about Black Hawk Down and how much he loved it and how he thought it was the best film of the century.

01:08:19.000 And, you know, he's largely correct.

01:08:22.000 That's not a bad, I could have done without the UNICEF commercial at the very beginning, where it's just like, you know, a little UNICEF commercial about people starving in Africa and Somalia.

01:08:36.000 But the rest of the movie is just insanely beautiful.

01:08:39.000 And so I wanted to check out all the movies I hadn't seen of his.

01:08:42.000 And so that's why I started researching them and looking them up again.

01:08:46.000 And like the counselor, how did that fall through the cracks?

01:08:48.000 And it gets terrible reviews.

01:08:50.000 Like people hated the film, apparently.

01:08:53.000 What's the criticism?

01:08:55.000 People, like, I think they were just like, we don't believe it.

01:08:59.000 They just don't believe that that's what the world is like.

01:09:01.000 And, you know, I found the film to be like do you think that's just because of the time period it was released?

01:09:08.000 Do you think it was more innocent?

01:09:09.000 I think Ridley Scott knows things that, and Corner McMcCarthy know things about the world that they put on film before everything was known.

01:09:19.000 Like, I think if that movie was released today, people would be like, yeah, that's what's happening today.

01:09:25.000 Yeah.

01:09:25.000 And so, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, they're putting people in sulfuric acid into drums.

01:09:31.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 0.99

01:09:32.000 And shipping them around the world, you know, as a joke. 0.99

01:09:35.000 You know, like, that's in the film?

01:09:37.000 Yeah, there's also.

01:09:38.000 Also, did you see the thing in the Epstein files?

01:09:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:40.000 Like, those Epstein files.

01:09:43.000 I can't believe that everybody's just kind of like, oh, well, okay, and they're moving on with their lives.

01:09:48.000 Did you see that guy at the Atlanta airport flipping out the well-dressed black dude who just freaks out in the Atlanta just like a couple of days ago? 0.98

01:09:58.000 I saw it on YouTube.

01:09:59.000 No, I saw it on Twitter or X.

01:10:01.000 And this guy is just freaking out in the Atlanta airport.

01:10:06.000 He's like, I read the Epstein files.

01:10:08.000 Like, all of you, you're going about your lives like nothing's happening. 0.94

01:10:12.000 Look at your old zombies. 0.95

01:10:13.000 And he's right.

01:10:14.000 It's like invasion of the body snatchers.

01:10:16.000 Everybody is just numb to everything.

01:10:19.000 Like, dudes, we had a global pandemic, aliens, you know, all these revelations.

01:10:26.000 People are, you know, eating babies.

01:10:30.000 Here's.

01:10:30.000 This is a guy.

01:10:41.000 And there's a longer version of that where he's but he's basically like you're all acting like nothing's happening. 0.99

01:10:47.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:10:48.000 You know, you're all just pretending you're just drones going on in your normal. 1.00

01:10:52.000 We're waiting for a condensed version that lays out all the facts.

01:10:57.000 It's the people that are like really interested in reading all the emails.

01:11:00.000 I think the Luciferians cast a spell on the world.

01:11:05.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:11:05.000 For real?

01:11:07.000 Like, you know, it's just like how vampires can't go into a house unless they're invited.

01:11:12.000 They tell you, you know, what's going on ahead of time.

01:11:15.000 It's predictive programming.

01:11:16.000 And once you say it out loud and you put it out there and make fun of it and do a little skit, like they, like, Stephen Colbert did a little skit on his show where, oh, here's a baby.

01:11:26.000 I'm going to take this baby and I'm going to give it to Moloch. 0.97

01:11:28.000 And he goes into like a cloudy red furnace and hands the baby over.

01:11:34.000 And he's, oh, the baby's going to be fine.

01:11:36.000 And they make a joke about it, and the audience laughs.

01:11:38.000 Okay, we're all now conditioned to it.

01:11:39.000 We've all seen it.

01:11:40.000 And by laughing at it, we're complicit.

01:11:43.000 Do you think that that's on purpose, that this is like some sort of a grand design to get us to be desensitized to the idea of demons eating babies?

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:53.000 For sure.

01:11:53.000 Really?

01:11:54.000 For sure.

01:11:55.000 And by the way, nobody's doing anything about it.

01:11:58.000 We know what's happening.

01:11:59.000 But that has to take, like, there has to be a person or some group of people.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, like about 8,500 people.

01:12:06.000 Yeah.

01:12:07.000 That are manipulating the Colbert show.

01:12:09.000 They're manipulating everything.

01:12:11.000 It's all an illusion.

01:12:12.000 Like, reality as we know it is fake.

01:12:17.000 That's the revelation that that guy is having.

01:12:20.000 And he's looking around and he's like, it's like invasion of the body snatchers.

01:12:24.000 Well, it's certain.

01:12:25.000 See, I don't.

01:12:27.000 The thing about the emails is one of the things is it's just stuff written down.

01:12:33.000 And so that's sort of hard to digest.

01:12:35.000 Like, what is this?

01:12:36.000 Like, what are they saying?

01:12:37.000 Like, some of it is in code, like walking over beef jerky.

01:12:41.000 Like, saying, talking about jerky, could you walk beef jerky over to this person?

01:12:45.000 Like, what does that mean?

01:12:45.000 For all this pizza they're talking about.

01:12:47.000 No, you never see any pizza.

01:12:48.000 Right.

01:12:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:50.000 They're ordering.

01:12:51.000 I'm going to get some gur rape soda. 1.00

01:12:55.000 It's like with my cheese pizza.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 And like, there's all this coded language, and everyone's like, you know, oh, that's you're just, you just have periola.

01:13:04.000 You know, you're just seeing things where you want to see them.

01:13:08.000 No, that's clearly a code.

01:13:09.000 Well, that wasn't the thing about pizza.

01:13:10.000 It's absolutely a code.

01:13:11.000 And in fact, mundus volt despi, ergo decipiatur.

01:13:14.000 It's a long-known concept.

01:13:17.000 And so in Latin, mundus volt decepi means the world wants to be deceived.

01:13:23.000 Ergo decipiatur.

01:13:25.000 Therefore, it is.

01:13:27.000 We want to be deceived.

01:13:29.000 We don't want to believe the horrors that are actually behind the veil.

01:13:34.000 Well, I think with the Epstein files, people are, because of these emails that have been released, people are just now starting to be aware of the bizarreness of the code and some of the things, like the facts.

01:13:48.000 Like, let's just talk about the sulfuric acid.

01:13:50.000 So, this was like right after he was indicted in 2009.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, I got to get rid of some bodies.

01:13:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 How much did you dissolve up some bodies?

01:14:00.000 What did it say he ordered?

01:14:02.000 Like, let's 8,050.

01:14:09.000 Maybe we can get our sponsor, Perplexity, to process this and give us a synopsis of what exactly happened, some sort of a breakdown.

01:14:19.000 Because one of the things they're saying is, like, he was indicted, and then right after he's indicted, he orders how many gallons?

01:14:28.000 Six 55-gallon containers full of sulfuric acid.

01:14:32.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:14:40.000 What?

01:14:42.000 They're eating babies, man. 0.77

01:14:42.000 What? 0.77

01:14:44.000 Like, that's so that you think is real.

01:14:47.000 Well, yeah, not only that, I think that there's sacrifices going on every day in Los Angeles.

01:14:52.000 I mean, you know, allegedly, like, you know, high-level musicians, let's say, high-level female musician, is like, you know, killing chickens every day, doing sacrifices. 1.00

01:15:06.000 Like, you know, high-level.

01:15:10.000 I don't want to say names because I don't want to get sued.

01:15:12.000 And I don't want to be dead either.

01:15:13.000 What does it rhyme on?

01:15:14.000 Here's the purchase order.

01:15:15.000 I started looking at the comments for some stuff.

01:15:17.000 Not that this is the best answer, but a quick answer someone gives is that this could be for like a reverse osmosis water treatment system.

01:15:25.000 True, he is on an island.

01:15:26.000 I mean, there's enough pushback because Mundus Volt Decipi, ergo decipiatur.

01:15:26.000 He's on an island.

01:15:32.000 You know, we, we, but like the timing of all of that, like, you know, where are the purchase orders for all of that sulfuric acid before then?

01:15:39.000 Oh, no, I just want to put sulfuric acid into my swimming pool.

01:15:41.000 Muriatic acid.

01:15:42.000 Well, that's the question.

01:15:43.000 Was there orders for sulfuric acid before this?

01:15:46.000 If they do have a water treatment plant, how does sulfuric acid play into water treatment?

01:15:51.000 It says it here.

01:15:52.000 It says it's commonly used.

01:15:54.000 This explains it. 0.99

01:15:55.000 I don't fucking know. 0.97

01:15:56.000 Okay. 0.98

01:15:57.000 It says RO plant reverse osmosis seawater desalination facility.

01:16:03.000 Sulfuric acid is commonly used in the maintenance of such facilities.

01:16:06.000 Not everything you don't understand adds up to the worst possible thing it could be.

01:16:10.000 Deception.

01:16:11.000 Look, maybe they're all eating pizza and grape soda.

01:16:14.000 Who is that guy that says?

01:16:14.000 How many billionaires do you know that sit down and eat lots of pizza and grape soda and ice cream?

01:16:20.000 This is weird.

01:16:21.000 Trial lawyers and chickens.

01:16:23.000 That's why I just go with grain of salt.

01:16:25.000 This is just a plausible answer.

01:16:26.000 I don't know if it is the answer.

01:16:28.000 It could even be wrong.

01:16:29.000 Okay, so does he have a desalination plant on the island?

01:16:34.000 Oh, it's a reverse.

01:16:34.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:16:36.000 He had everything.

01:16:37.000 He had a dump and they had all sorts of stuff.

01:16:40.000 So that's tunnels.

01:16:43.000 So they were using that.

01:16:44.000 So they're taking seawater and converting it into fresh water for what?

01:16:47.000 For irrigation or for drinking, for all the above?

01:16:50.000 One similar email that he wrote to someone said that his around his island is like Damascus. 0.97

01:16:55.000 And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? 0.99

01:16:57.000 He was to go explore buried shit around my island? 0.99

01:17:01.000 Or what else could he mean by that? 0.99

01:17:03.000 Huh.

01:17:04.000 What does that mean?

01:17:05.000 I don't know.

01:17:06.000 I mean, they say a lot of things, and they're not really coding it very much.

01:17:11.000 Well, the code, it's glaringly obvious when they say pizza and when they say jerky.

01:17:16.000 That's glaringly obvious.

01:17:17.000 That's not how you walk jerky.

01:17:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:20.000 And why do I need a chilled container to a chilled bag or whatever they say?

01:17:25.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:27.000 So you think they're eating babies?

01:17:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:30.000 I absolutely believe that.

01:17:31.000 You should get together with Kurt Matzker.

01:17:34.000 I don't doubt it for a second.

01:17:38.000 And I think this dates back a long, long time.

01:17:42.000 This is Moloch worship. 1.00

01:17:45.000 Well, there was the other email that said, thank you for the torture video.

01:17:49.000 I enjoyed the torture video.

01:17:51.000 Yeah.

01:17:52.000 And it's like people just don't want to accept it.

01:17:57.000 People don't want to believe it.

01:17:59.000 They don't want to accept it.

01:18:00.000 Okay.

01:18:01.000 Some commentary notes that a remote island with water treatment and energy systems could plausibly stockpile such quantities for one to two years of operations, although others argue that using it directly for reverse osmosis, as stated in one social post, is technically questionable for membrane health.

01:18:20.000 Hmm.

01:18:22.000 Highly corrosive, strong mineral acid that can severely burn skin, eyes, dehydrate, and char organic material, which is why it features in both legitimate industrial processes and in darker hypotheticals online.

01:18:35.000 Darker hypotheticals.

01:18:36.000 Darker hypotheticals is where I'm leaning.

01:18:38.000 When you get indicted for sex trafficking and then you order six drums of sulfuric acid right away.

01:18:46.000 Are you really worried about your reverse osmosis plant right after you get indicted?

01:18:50.000 I feel like you know you're going to get it.

01:18:52.000 It looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.

01:18:53.000 It's probably a duck.

01:18:55.000 It's probably a duck.

01:18:57.000 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.

01:19:01.000 It says this was the only documented purchase order for it.

01:19:05.000 I came out here last time and I talked about the pedocult inside of the Kubrick film.

01:19:10.000 Yeah, by the way, that went viral.

01:19:12.000 And I got so much blowback from that.

01:19:15.000 Online critics are like, no, no, there's nothing in there.

01:19:17.000 Mundesvolt SAP.

01:19:18.000 They don't want to see it.

01:19:20.000 They don't want to see those two guys walking away with that girl in the end.

01:19:23.000 They just like, no, no, it wasn't in the Schnitzler novel and blah, blah, blah.

01:19:28.000 I mean, dude, look at that movie.

01:19:31.000 It's about a cult.

01:19:32.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:19:34.000 It's a secret cult.

01:19:35.000 And in fact, Sidney Lement's character even says at one point, you know, do you know what these people do?

01:19:40.000 I'm not going to tell you what they do, but let me tell you, if I told you what they do, they would like scare the hell out of you.

01:19:45.000 I mean, like, that's after he's been to the place and seen everybody walking around in the sex club.

01:19:53.000 I mean, it's obviously, there's obviously more going on in that movie, but people don't want to see it.

01:20:00.000 I had, what was it, New York Magazine or whatever, went so far as to like, you know, aggressively trying to get me to debunk it.

01:20:08.000 And which is fine, which is fine.

01:20:11.000 It's just an interpretation of a movie.

01:20:14.000 Right, but that interpretation resonated.

01:20:16.000 I mean, that clip went very, very viral.

01:20:18.000 Especially now, it's like people are looking at it and they're like, well, you know, he was obviously saying something.

01:20:24.000 Even if you extract that out of the movie, he's obviously saying something about people at high levels of power.

01:20:29.000 Well, there's always been weird secret groups and rituals.

01:20:33.000 Yeah.

01:20:34.000 And it's one of the ways to ensure that you're compromised.

01:20:38.000 You'll stay.

01:20:39.000 It's a confidence operation.

01:20:41.000 And so what you do is you find somebody when they're young and they're less inhibited or uninhibited and you catch them doing something that is illegal and maybe you even provide the mechanism for that to happen.

01:20:41.000 Yes.

01:20:58.000 And then once it's happened, you now have the video proof or the audio proof or whatever proof you have.

01:21:06.000 You've got proof of it and you show it to them and you say, look, this is what we have on you and we can ruin you at any minute.

01:21:14.000 But you know what we're going to do?

01:21:15.000 We're going to give you $20,000 a month or we're going to give you $20 million a year, whatever level that is, instead.

01:21:22.000 And you're going to work for us.

01:21:24.000 And What else explains some of these people who were so flipped out about like, you know, about Trump?

01:21:31.000 Like, he's a pots. 0.87

01:21:33.000 He's a, like, it's over the top.

01:21:36.000 It's, you know, it's strange how people behave in regarding that.

01:21:45.000 But don't you think that's also just because the Democratic Party didn't want him to get into power because he was a complete outsider?

01:21:52.000 I don't think there are parties.

01:21:54.000 I don't think there is, I think that's all an illusion also.

01:21:57.000 I think everything that you think that it is is an illusion.

01:22:01.000 It's all fake.

01:22:03.000 I don't think that any history before 1600, I think everything has been falsified before the year 1600.

01:22:10.000 How so?

01:22:11.000 Well, there's this guy, Anatoly Fomenko, who's a Russian mathematician and historian.

01:22:18.000 And he wrote a book called The New Chronology.

01:22:20.000 It's actually a series of books.

01:22:22.000 It's like six volumes, and I've read them all.

01:22:29.000 And also his addendum book, The New Chronology.

01:22:31.000 He has an addendum book about it.

01:22:34.000 And he basically says that all of history has been changed.

01:22:40.000 About a thousand years have been added to the timeline in order to justify land claims.

01:22:46.000 And those land claims largely have to do with Eurasian – the Eurasian horde and the elimination of the Eurasian horde by collusion between the Vatican, the Romanovs, the – So you mean like the Mongols and the Huns?

01:23:04.000 Yeah, there was a, and if you look on very, very old maps, you see that there used to be a country called Tartaria that was in existence.

01:23:14.000 And at a certain point, they wiped them out.

01:23:17.000 And so his theory, and it's just a theory, it's just a posit, but when you see how history is constantly being rewritten in real time, it's not so hard to believe.

01:23:25.000 And then he uses astronomical evidence and mathematically kind of proves it.

01:23:34.000 And he basically says that, let's see if I can get this right, that Rome and Greece and Egypt were actually active till around 1600.

01:23:48.000 And that Rome actually fell around 1600.

01:23:51.000 So kind of imagine or more like late 1400s, 1492.

01:23:55.000 As opposed to what's the conventional timeline?

01:23:58.000 About a thousand years before.

01:24:00.000 And so, you know, if you can wrap your head around it, the Salem witch trials took place around the same time as the Inquisition.

01:24:08.000 Columbus was discovering America around the time Rome fell.

01:24:12.000 And that all of this was designed to justify or to erase this entire civilization from history.

01:24:21.000 And then there are people who believe that there are a lot of buildings that are still in existence that were this.

01:24:27.000 They claim that Jesus Christ was, I can't remember the emperor's name.

01:24:33.000 It's kind of a composite story.

01:24:35.000 There's a number of...

01:24:37.000 So they think a thousand years are missing from the timeline.

01:24:40.000 Well, yeah, think about it.

01:24:41.000 If you're a Byzantine guy and you're like, hey, I want to move to the country and you look over at France, let's say, and Germany, and you're like, yeah, there's all these indigenous peoples there, and we want to wipe them out. 1.00

01:24:52.000 And so you hire, you know, a mercenary. 0.87

01:24:55.000 You hire a guy named Charlemagne and you get him to go in there and kill all the chieftains in one day.

01:25:00.000 Like 5,000 chieftains were killed in a single day, apparently, by Charlemagne.

01:25:05.000 And you completely wipe out everything and then you move in.

01:25:08.000 You become Jerome, Jerome I, and you run Paris.

01:25:12.000 Or you begin France.

01:25:13.000 And what it really is is just land.

01:25:16.000 And so you add time to the timeline in order to justify that land claim.

01:25:21.000 Because what makes more sense that history was cruising along like this and then suddenly flatlined for a thousand years and then picked up again?

01:25:29.000 Or does it make more sense that somebody took that time, the dark ages, and kind of added to the timeline?

01:25:39.000 So I'm confused.

01:25:41.000 But isn't there like documented history from multiple cultures about that time period?

01:25:47.000 Yeah, but it's all like, you know, written down by the Jesuits who were completely in the control of, you know, it's that history, history is easily changed.

01:25:55.000 And in fact, we see history being changed before our eyes in real time.

01:26:00.000 And so the deep past is easy to change.

01:26:02.000 So we're not in 2026.

01:26:04.000 No, we're like in the 1700s.

01:26:08.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:26:11.000 Oh, my God.

01:26:12.000 It's just a theory.

01:26:13.000 It's just this guy, Antoly Fomenko.

01:26:19.000 And it's a very interesting theory.

01:26:22.000 And so I read that.

01:26:24.000 And I kind of had a tentpole collapse. 0.98

01:26:25.000 I was like, well, holy crap. 0.58

01:26:26.000 Explain to me the flatness.

01:26:28.000 Like, what do you mean by history goes up and then flattens?

01:26:31.000 Well, the progression of humanity through history as we kind of are progressing as we go.

01:26:36.000 And then all of a sudden there's this flat line called the Dark Ages where nothing happened.

01:26:40.000 Is there a conventional explanation for this flat line for a thousand years?

01:26:46.000 The collapse of Rome and falling into the time of barbarism.

01:26:52.000 That's not plausible?

01:26:54.000 Everything is plausible.

01:26:55.000 It's plausible that sulfuric acid is used for RO reverse osmosis water cleaning.

01:27:03.000 And so everything is possible.

01:27:05.000 The question is, is it probable?

01:27:07.000 Well, Jamie just pulled up that that was the first time they had ever ordered that.

01:27:11.000 Oh, really?

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 Okay, so, well, there it is.

01:27:13.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 That's not good.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:27:16.000 I mean, that's the least of the things.

01:27:19.000 The thing is, we become desensitized to stuff.

01:27:21.000 I mean, look at everything that has happened in the last six years.

01:27:25.000 It's like an insane amount of stuff has happened, and everyone's just kind of like numb to it.

01:27:29.000 Well, they get desensitized.

01:27:30.000 And I think it literally is that people's brains have been fried.

01:27:33.000 You think by COVID vaccines.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:36.000 Well, there's some scientific evidence that for some people, at least, it crossed the blood-brain barrier and had some sort of a detrimental effect on their cognitive function.

01:27:46.000 MRNA is reprogramming your system.

01:27:51.000 And I think, and we've been looking at a giant die-off of people.

01:27:55.000 People are collapsing left and right.

01:27:57.000 Nothing is normal anymore.

01:27:58.000 I mean, that guy at the airport who's flipping out, that's what he's realizing.

01:28:04.000 He's having a sudden awakening and he's tweaking over it.

01:28:07.000 He's like, and he's looking around and no one cares.

01:28:11.000 Everyone just wants to go through their day.

01:28:15.000 Everyone wants to just make their next movie and maybe they'll let me make their next movie.

01:28:15.000 They do.

01:28:19.000 And everybody wants to just, you know, I just want to keep going at my job and I just want to do my thing and I just want to protect my thing.

01:28:24.000 There's certainly a lot of that going on.

01:28:26.000 British only care about it as long as I have my daily pint at the end of the day.

01:28:29.000 It's all I care about.

01:28:30.000 You know, in the meantime, their entire country is being overtaken and run by like when else in history has this happened and ended well? 0.71

01:28:40.000 No.

01:28:41.000 Well, it's so shocking how quickly it's happening in England that you just go, how do you bounce back from this?

01:28:46.000 Like, what is the remedy?

01:28:48.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 Because they're doing this mass arrest thing with social media posts, which is bizarre.

01:28:56.000 It's bizarre to watch.

01:28:57.000 And then they eliminate jury trials for anything other than like murder and rape.

01:29:01.000 If you say anything, you're in jail.

01:29:03.000 If you repost anything, you're just immediately sent to jail.

01:29:07.000 Look what's going on in Canada right now, you know, with Kearney.

01:29:11.000 I mean, like, I think that's insane, what's going on.

01:29:14.000 And most Canadians are just kind of vibing along with it.

01:29:16.000 Nobody wants to rock the boat.

01:29:17.000 Nobody wants to be racist.

01:29:19.000 Nobody wants to be, you know, nobody wants to be discriminatory in any kind of way.

01:29:24.000 Rightfully so.

01:29:25.000 Like, you know, you, and you want to believe that your leaders are taking care of you, and they're not.

01:29:32.000 And it's over.

01:29:33.000 We've lost.

01:29:35.000 It's over.

01:29:36.000 I mean, you think it's over here in America as well?

01:29:39.000 Well, it got slowed down a little bit.

01:29:42.000 It got slowed down.

01:29:43.000 Whether you like Trump or not, and I'm not like a I don't really like anybody, but it definitely added a road bump in the actions of the cabal of the Clintons and the Obamas and the bankers that control them.

01:30:02.000 And that's when you see the movie The Counselor, that's what you realize is that, wow, the cartels are the banks and they are law enforcement and they are the media and they are everything.

01:30:15.000 And there is no fighting it.

01:30:17.000 There is no individually fighting it.

01:30:19.000 Like there's nothing any of us can do.

01:30:22.000 That is.

01:30:23.000 And I don't mean to be, I mean, the only thing you can do is, you know, affect what's happening around you locally within the moment.

01:30:31.000 But don't you think that more people are aware of what's going on right now?

01:30:35.000 There's more pushback than ever before.

01:30:37.000 And so there's a possibility that it could be stopped.

01:30:40.000 Yeah, look at that guy in the airport, though. 0.91

01:30:42.000 Everyone's like, he's crazy. 1.00

01:30:43.000 Yeah, but nobody's yelling at a fucking airport. 1.00

01:30:46.000 I would think he's crazy, too. 1.00

01:30:47.000 If I was there waiting for my flight to go visit my parents and there's some fucking guy yelling out, the Hepstein file, you're just living your life. 1.00

01:30:53.000 Like, yeah, what do you want me to do, dude? 0.99

01:30:55.000 I'm heading to Florida right now.

01:30:57.000 Invasion of the Body Snatchers was about McCarthyism and what was going on at that time.

01:31:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:02.000 Really?

01:31:03.000 It was the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers was all about McCarthyism.

01:31:08.000 I'm a fan of the Donald Sutherland one.

01:31:10.000 Well, and look at how that ends.

01:31:12.000 That ends with you're walking through the streets pretending to be.

01:31:19.000 You're just pretending to not be an alien, hoping that you can get by.

01:31:22.000 And then the minute you show any kind of emotion, that's it.

01:31:25.000 You're caught.

01:31:26.000 And then they're going to make you go to sleep.

01:31:28.000 And so, I mean.

01:31:30.000 So the original script was written about McCarthyism?

01:31:34.000 The original film.

01:31:35.000 So Kevin McCarthy movie.

01:31:38.000 Okay.

01:31:39.000 And in the end, look how that movie ends.

01:31:40.000 That movie ends with him, like that guy in the airport on the street.

01:31:47.000 They're aliens.

01:31:48.000 He's basically running through the street just in traffic.

01:31:52.000 People just keep driving.

01:31:54.000 I don't remember the original one.

01:31:56.000 I might not have even seen it.

01:31:58.000 But the Sutherland one was amazing.

01:32:00.000 I never would have thought that that's what it was about.

01:32:02.000 I mean, we're experiencing a kind of Bolshevik revolution at the moment right now.

01:32:08.000 In what way?

01:32:09.000 Well, there's a rise of Bolshevism.

01:32:11.000 You know, it's like we see it, we see it occurring.

01:32:15.000 How do you define Bolshevism?

01:32:17.000 Well, the Bolsheviks were essentially a kind of, I mean, it's not correct to say communism, but it's basically a kind of authoritarianism in the guise of egalitarianism and helping the world know we're all going to be equal and everything.

01:32:39.000 And they were socialism. 0.61

01:32:42.000 Yeah, they were murdering Christians and social. 0.90

01:32:44.000 And, you know, we're very, very close to that now.

01:32:47.000 We're very, very, we're on, we're standing on, civilization is standing on the precipice at the moment.

01:32:54.000 And by the way, you know, after this podcast comes out, people are going to be like, oh, Avery's crazy. 0.79

01:33:00.000 Avery went to jail. 0.98

01:33:02.000 Avery's a killer. 1.00

01:33:04.000 They're going to say all sorts of shit about me to discredit anything that I say. 1.00

01:33:08.000 And that's fine. 0.99

01:33:09.000 Like, I'm easy to discredit.

01:33:12.000 And so it's not really my right to speak up anymore about anything.

01:33:16.000 And so.

01:33:17.000 You're a human being.

01:33:18.000 It's always your right to speak up. 1.00

01:33:19.000 Well, it is, but they can eat shit. 0.99

01:33:22.000 As I look around, like civilization is on the precipice. 0.99

01:33:27.000 And, you know, mostly good people tend to not take action against stuff.

01:33:32.000 Until they have to.

01:33:34.000 Until they have to.

01:33:35.000 We were talking about this yesterday, actually, with Cheryl Hines.

01:33:38.000 And I was saying, I think we were talking about this.

01:33:41.000 I was talking about this recently, where I was saying that it's almost like we need something like a 9-11 to wake us up.

01:33:47.000 I would never want that to happen.

01:33:49.000 But I do remember that after 9-11, we were united because we realized, oh, threats are real.

01:33:55.000 Danger is real.

01:33:57.000 Like, we really do need to be united as one group, a community, and recognize that, that our brothers and sisters in the streets are not our problem.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, but we even know about 9-11 now, that so much of it was Building 7, Thermite.

01:34:16.000 The evidence is there for anyone to look at.

01:34:18.000 Nobody wants to look at it.

01:34:19.000 And nobody wants to look at it because, and that is...

01:34:22.000 Nobody wants to look in the conspiracy.

01:34:24.000 Like, how did these guys get a hold of these planes?

01:34:27.000 How did they fly into the building?

01:34:29.000 Why were the dancing Israelis watching it, cheering it on? 0.98

01:34:33.000 Why did they get shipped out of the country?

01:34:35.000 Yeah, and that guy who owned the building, who bought it, who took out the insurance policy, and then had Elliot Spitzer kind of push it through and force it through so that he could receive his billions in insurance claims that made the decision.

01:34:51.000 Because they wanted to tear down that building, and it would have been too expensive to do.

01:34:55.000 And all the asbestos and everything.

01:34:56.000 And not sure to just destroy it.

01:34:58.000 It's like, what was that building housing?

01:35:00.000 Like Building 7.

01:35:01.000 Well, Building 7 was housing all sorts of, it was like, was an IRS, I mean, NSA.

01:35:07.000 Yeah, it was NSA.

01:35:08.000 What was in Building 7?

01:35:10.000 Let's find that out so we don't just.

01:35:13.000 I think, but there was certainly some intelligence and data that was being collected.

01:35:19.000 The fact that no one wants to admit that that building fell like a controlled demolition is really crazy.

01:35:25.000 And again, I'm not saying it's a controlled demolition, but the fact that people want to say, no, it wasn't like a controlled demolition. 0.97

01:35:32.000 Like, when was the last time you ever saw a fucking building collapse like that ever? 0.97

01:35:37.000 Only controlled demolitions. 0.99

01:35:39.000 There's been many buildings that have been very badly damaged and lit on fire, but their frame remains.

01:35:44.000 Reputable structural engineers have basically also proven the towers could not have fallen the way they fell without explosives, you know, pre-planned explosives.

01:35:54.000 And the people on the scene, the rescuers on the scene, the people who were there said, yeah, I heard explosion.

01:35:59.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:36:01.000 They're describing the sounds of controlled demolition.

01:36:04.000 U.S. Secret Service, floors 9 through 10.

01:36:07.000 CIA, the Department of Defense, sharing the 25th floor with the IRS and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

01:36:15.000 Like you put all that together, CIA, Department of Defense, IRS.

01:36:19.000 Who thinks any of those people have your ideas?

01:36:23.000 Right.

01:36:24.000 Also, if you wanted to digest data, you wanted to destroy data.

01:36:28.000 Like, didn't the part of the Pentagon that got hit wasn't, and that was also a day after Rumsfeld was saying that there was trillions of dollars that were unaccounted for?

01:36:37.000 Didn't the accounting part of the Pentagon get hit by that air quotes plane?

01:36:42.000 Yeah, that plane that came in very...

01:36:45.000 What's that, Jimmy?

01:36:46.000 On the screen.

01:36:46.000 Last time.

01:36:47.000 The building contained about 24,000 gallons of diesel fuel for generators used by tenants like Solomon Brothers and the Emergency Command Center.

01:36:55.000 Floors 46 through 47 and parts of the lower level were mechanical spaces while files from federal investigations, Secret Service cases were stored there but lost in the collapse.

01:37:07.000 And the SEC.

01:37:08.000 And the SEC, whoopsies.

01:37:10.000 And has the world been the same since then?

01:37:13.000 The SEC, like having that there too, boy, that's super convenient.

01:37:17.000 Guys, we lost the data.

01:37:19.000 Let's just start from scratch.

01:37:21.000 There's no case anymore.

01:37:23.000 Whatever they were doing.

01:37:24.000 And yet, nobody wants to accept it.

01:37:26.000 Nobody cares.

01:37:27.000 There's a video of it.

01:37:28.000 That is like really shocking. 0.61

01:37:30.000 I had this really dumb guy on the podcast once that was a skeptic, a professional skeptic and he was really angry with me for saying that it looked like a controlled demolition. 0.94

01:37:41.000 You know, you're promoting a dangerous conspiracy theory. 0.93

01:37:45.000 I'm like, no, I'm saying it looks like you're saying it doesn't look like a control.

01:37:50.000 Let's watch it.

01:37:50.000 I'm like, let's watch it.

01:37:52.000 Well, seriously, Forests have had a pretty good run lately.

01:37:54.000 Let's watch it.

01:37:55.000 Let's watch Building 7 collapse because it's kind of kooky.

01:37:59.000 Now, one thing that people do point out that is true is that the center, like there is a small structure at the top of the roof of Building 7, that collapses first.

01:38:09.000 And it does it, like, I think a minute before the actual building.

01:38:13.000 These are skirt buildings.

01:38:14.000 And what that means is that's actually the most structurally sound part of the building.

01:38:18.000 The rest of the movie is a facade that's hanging off of the inner surface.

01:38:21.000 That's the building.

01:38:22.000 Yeah, that's the most sound part of the building.

01:38:25.000 It's built over a Khan Edison substation, requiring large transfer trusses on lower floors to support the tower above, creating long span floors vulnerable to thermal expansion.

01:38:36.000 Long, unsupported floor beams and girders up to 50 feet connected to critical, critical interior columns like column 79 with sheer studs that failed under fire-induced lateral loads rather than just gravity.

01:38:50.000 It was the auto-manual flip-flop.

01:38:52.000 The exterior tube frame provided stiffness, but the open interior layout lacked redundancy to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse with connections not designed for horizontal thermal forces.

01:39:08.000 Okay, that's a cute way of saying that's why it fell at free fall speed and looks like a controlled demolition. 0.99

01:39:14.000 Because if that was my building, I would say, give me my fucking money back. 1.00

01:39:18.000 You made this shit-ass building, this building got lit on fire and just collapsed on itself? 1.00

01:39:22.000 Let's watch it collapse. 1.00

01:39:24.000 Because the way it collapses is so kooky because it really does it at free fall speed or close to it.

01:39:31.000 It's strange.

01:39:33.000 Like, there has never been a building that looks that intact that falls like that.

01:39:38.000 It's weird, man. 0.97

01:39:40.000 I mean, it's fucking weird. 0.97

01:39:42.000 Anybody that says it's not weird, look, this is how it happened. 0.98

01:39:46.000 It's weird.

01:39:47.000 Now, the planes hitting Tower 1 and Tower 2, okay, that makes maybe more sense to me.

01:39:55.000 Yeah.

01:39:55.000 Does it?

01:39:56.000 Yeah, because it fell from the top down.

01:39:56.000 Does it?

01:39:59.000 Like, it looks normal.

01:40:00.000 It doesn't collapse into its base.

01:40:02.000 Tower 7 collapses into its base.

01:40:04.000 But how about the testimony of people saying they heard multiple pop, pop, pop, pop, pop explosions?

01:40:09.000 Is that just girders snapping?

01:40:11.000 It could be.

01:40:12.000 Yeah.

01:40:12.000 I mean, you've got to think you have immense, immense amounts of weight, and it is collapsing.

01:40:17.000 So if it does collapse, the way it looks, it's collapsing from the top down, it's not going to be silent.

01:40:22.000 You're going to hear tremendous explosions.

01:40:24.000 When concrete hits the slabs below it, it's going to sound like explosions.

01:40:28.000 Also, you have the fog of war, right? 0.99

01:40:30.000 So you have these people that are involved in an extremely traumatic situation, and their memory is very fucked. 0.99

01:40:37.000 Like, your memory is fucked when you experience something like this. 0.97

01:40:40.000 You remember things funny. 0.99

01:40:41.000 You have confirmation bias.

01:40:43.000 There's a lot of weird stuff that happens.

01:40:45.000 So this is the explanation that a piece of the plane falls down and hits that building.

01:40:50.000 And a big tower on top.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:52.000 I'm sorry, a piece of the building.

01:40:55.000 I meant to say, sorry.

01:40:56.000 So that piece of the building falls down and not a plane.

01:41:00.000 Obviously, hits the building next to it, Tower 7.

01:41:03.000 And that gash is all it took to take that building down.

01:41:07.000 That's super suspect.

01:41:09.000 And I do know that there was a fire inside the building.

01:41:11.000 I'm sure.

01:41:12.000 I'm sure there was.

01:41:13.000 But the way it fell was crazy.

01:41:16.000 That, see, Tower 1 and Tower 2, it's like, I don't know what happens when a jet flies into a building like that.

01:41:22.000 Neither do you.

01:41:23.000 And also, you got to deal with corrupt construction companies, cutting corners, not doing things up to code.

01:41:29.000 Perhaps, perhaps.

01:41:31.000 I'll give you that.

01:41:32.000 I'll be super charitable.

01:41:34.000 But with Building 7, I'm like, come on, man.

01:41:36.000 That's weird. 0.98

01:41:38.000 That one's fucking weird. 0.93

01:41:39.000 Because it doesn't fall like one and two. 0.98

01:41:42.000 One and two fall from where the impact was, the deterioration of the structure, the weight of what's above the impact.

01:41:49.000 It falls down on it, and you see a progressive collapse from the top to the bottom.

01:41:54.000 Tower 7 is nuts.

01:41:56.000 Tower 7 just drops.

01:41:59.000 Just drops all at once, free fall speed into its base.

01:42:05.000 That's weird.

01:42:07.000 Anybody that doesn't think that's weird is being naive.

01:42:10.000 That's never happened before to a building that hasn't been a controlled demolition.

01:42:14.000 Again, not saying it's a controlled demolition.

01:42:17.000 Maybe it's accurate that these enormous drums of diesel are creating this fire, unprecedented load on the structure of the building.

01:42:25.000 But see, even that.

01:42:27.000 With everything else that occurred, with all the tangential stuff that's occurred, you're still giving the benefit of the doubt.

01:42:34.000 You'll have suspension of dissolving.

01:42:35.000 But I'm saying right now, I was trying to finish.

01:42:38.000 That fire is not on every floor uniformly.

01:42:41.000 So why is it collapsing uniformly from the top down into the base?

01:42:46.000 Why doesn't the base where you have this incredible fire load, why doesn't that weaken and it fall over sideways because it no longer has structure anymore?

01:42:55.000 Why is it every floor has the same amount of damage and it gives in at the exact same time?

01:43:02.000 That kind of doesn't make sense because the fire is not uniform throughout the building.

01:43:06.000 It's not like the building is one gigantic flame ball and then it all gives out at the same time.

01:43:13.000 But even then, I would think it would tip over.

01:43:15.000 It would fall to the side.

01:43:17.000 Falling into its base, that seems to indicate some sort of a control.

01:43:23.000 Like it was done uniformly.

01:43:26.000 They time it.

01:43:27.000 When you watch, like in Vegas, when they blow up a casino, it's like and then it does that.

01:43:33.000 Let's watch an actual controlled demolition.

01:43:37.000 So when you watch an actual controlled demolition, it looks just like that.

01:43:41.000 It looks just like that.

01:43:43.000 And then I don't know.

01:43:45.000 I mean, the testimony of your eyes are telling you the truth.

01:43:48.000 But your brain will come up with all sorts of stuff because Mundus Vault des AP.

01:43:55.000 Well, I'm not allowing it to with Tower 7.

01:43:58.000 I've always maintained a pretty open mind with that. 0.97

01:44:02.000 But also, I lean towards shenanigans in that one because that one just seems fucked. 0.85

01:44:10.000 Tower 1 and Tower 2, maybe. 0.94

01:44:12.000 Maybe.

01:44:12.000 Tower 7?

01:44:13.000 Come on.

01:44:14.000 Tower 7.

01:44:14.000 Yeah.

01:44:15.000 Nobody looks.

01:44:16.000 And if they're telling you the Tower 7 seems normal, they seem so gaslighty.

01:44:22.000 Everybody that says that seems like they're gaslighting.

01:44:26.000 So here we go.

01:44:27.000 Hit it.

01:44:29.000 Okay, this one's their setting up for a controlled demolition, so they're showing you how. 0.98

01:44:33.000 That's kind of a shitty one.

01:44:35.000 There's other ones they've done a better job with. 0.92

01:44:36.000 But it's the same kind of thing.

01:44:38.000 It's still falling onto itself.

01:44:40.000 Yes, it's falling into itself the same way Tower 7 did.

01:44:43.000 See, that movie, that building has a shape.

01:44:43.000 That's a good thing.

01:44:46.000 That has a skirt building. 1.00

01:44:47.000 It's got a center structure.

01:44:49.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of structure.

01:44:50.000 It has a different look to it.

01:44:51.000 Let's watch that one.

01:44:52.000 Okay, there, like there.

01:44:54.000 Come on.

01:44:55.000 That looks exactly like Tower 7.

01:44:59.000 When you watch that, back that up again a little bit, please.

01:45:02.000 Watch that from the top, from the beginning.

01:45:04.000 Just a little bit before, right before it drops.

01:45:06.000 So watch.

01:45:07.000 They're looking, they're watching.

01:45:08.000 We're going to watch the building drop.

01:45:10.000 There it is. 1.00

01:45:11.000 That fucker goes right down like Tower. 1.00

01:45:13.000 From there, come on. 1.00

01:45:15.000 That's exactly like a controlled demolition.

01:45:17.000 And even the way it looks as it's going down looks exactly like Tower Sound.

01:45:22.000 You know, we were talking about predictive programming and how movies and like spells can predict stuff in advance and kind of prepare you for the future of what's coming.

01:45:35.000 You know, in 1999, a movie came out which was effectively a manifesto.

01:45:40.000 And that movie was called Fight Club.

01:45:42.000 And what's the end of that movie?

01:45:45.000 The end of that movie is the collapsing of the buildings, which are the financial system of the future so that they can create a new future.

01:45:53.000 Who produced that movie?

01:45:55.000 Arnon Milchon.

01:45:56.000 Who is Arnon Milchan?

01:45:58.000 And they got a commercial director to do it, Fincher.

01:46:01.000 And he's an excellent director.

01:46:02.000 And I think it's an excellently, beautifully made film.

01:46:06.000 But who is Arnon Milchan?

01:46:07.000 Well, you know, he himself has said, I am a Mossad agent.

01:46:13.000 And he said that out loud.

01:46:15.000 Like, that's not me saying that.

01:46:16.000 That's him saying that.

01:46:18.000 And Fincher said, oh, yeah, my last movie, that was made by an arms dealer. 0.88

01:46:22.000 Well, that's him.

01:46:23.000 That's Arnon Milshon.

01:46:25.000 And so, you know, and what's another Arnon Milshon movie?

01:46:29.000 The Medusa Touch with George C. Scott and I think Lee Remick.

01:46:34.000 And in that movie, what happens?

01:46:35.000 An airplane crashes into a building.

01:46:37.000 And you could probably pull that one up too.

01:46:39.000 An airplane crashes into a building.

01:46:41.000 This guy's obsessed with airplanes crashing into buildings and buildings collapsing in movies.

01:46:46.000 And so what's likely?

01:46:48.000 You know, has he been reading these scenario plans that defense departments make and that are maybe Mossad plans that are made?

01:47:01.000 I've worked for the DOD through John Milius, and we wrote scenarios.

01:47:05.000 They gathered together a bunch of Hollywood writers into a conference room, like a, it was like more like a ballroom, but like a small one, and gather a bunch of us together around a table and said, let's come up with ways on how to attack Los Angeles.

01:47:20.000 And we all wrote scenarios on how to attack L.A.

01:47:23.000 And now they just use AI to do all that.

01:47:26.000 But so, you know, has he just been like reading these?

01:47:30.000 Does he have access to them?

01:47:31.000 And so he just puts them into his movies.

01:47:33.000 Well, that movie was made in 1999.

01:47:35.000 And what happened right after that movie got released?

01:47:37.000 Those buildings came down.

01:47:39.000 9-11 came down.

01:47:40.000 And so is it predictive programming where you're showing the world what's to come and that makes it almost somewhat acceptable to do?

01:47:48.000 Whoa.

01:47:49.000 Or is it just coincidence?

01:47:52.000 And most people out there will say, oh, no, it's just coincidence.

01:47:52.000 And most people.

01:47:54.000 It's coincidence.

01:47:55.000 And he just happens to be.

01:47:56.000 I mean, that's what he has said.

01:47:58.000 I don't know if he is or not Mossad, but that's what he said.

01:48:03.000 Well, that's the thing about the pejorative term conspiracy theorist.

01:48:07.000 It's slapped on things and it immediately sort of diffuses any real questioning of, oh my God, are things this bad?

01:48:14.000 Is there this much?

01:48:16.000 But as time goes on and you're confronted with more and more information, and I think we're in the beginning stages of reckoning with these files that were just released where so many people like, I haven't really read much of it.

01:48:29.000 I've only read the things that are really outrageous that my friends have sent me because I'm just trying to maintain my sanity.

01:48:35.000 Well, that's just it.

01:48:36.000 Most people want to maintain sanity.

01:48:38.000 You just like, I just want to get through the day.

01:48:40.000 You know, I just want to like, I want to be happy.

01:48:45.000 I want to raise my children in a world that is a peaceful world and where people respect each other and where we can like, you can make something out of yourself, you know, through hard work and through merit.

01:48:45.000 Right.

01:48:59.000 You know, it's like, that's the world I want to live in.

01:49:02.000 And more and more, it feels like we're not in that world.

01:49:05.000 Did you see that thing that was just released today?

01:49:08.000 I think it's the AI company Anthropic.

01:49:12.000 I think that's the company.

01:49:13.000 So one of its engineers resigned and essentially said that humanity is doomed and he's going to move to the UK and just write poetry and just wait it out.

01:49:25.000 Hasn't that guy seen threads?

01:49:29.000 The UK is like one of the most dangerous places to be.

01:49:31.000 That's where he's going to wait it out?

01:49:32.000 Like that's.

01:49:34.000 Well, he probably has a significant way.

01:49:35.000 Well, when he says UK, does he mean like where does he go?

01:49:37.000 I'm not sure. 0.96

01:49:37.000 Maybe he means like the Scottish Highlands where he's going to hide and go into some small town and fucking just hang out at a pub. 0.96

01:49:45.000 Yeah, they're going to populate that town with suddenly 800 war-capable men from another country are going to move in and they're going to move into the local someplace that the West has conveniently been bombing and creating refugees on. 0.92

01:50:02.000 Yeah, creating angry people.

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 And who have a bad person?

01:50:05.000 But you don't want to think that it's all planned out like that.

01:50:09.000 Of course you don't.

01:50:10.000 Like, you know, that was a bit of the exposure of USAID.

01:50:13.000 You know, so I, like many people, thought USAID was about aid.

01:50:17.000 I thought it was like a beautiful philanthropic program where the United States donates money to all these poor countries.

01:50:23.000 That's how they get food. 0.82

01:50:24.000 Like I had Bono on the show.

01:50:26.000 And he's like, I've heard that 30,000 people have already starved to death because of this.

01:50:31.000 30 million people are going to die.

01:50:33.000 And I'm like, okay, but do you know how much corruption was involved with this?

01:50:37.000 Do you know that it's not aid?

01:50:39.000 It's the agency for international development. 0.99

01:50:42.000 And mostly what they were doing was regime change shit. 0.99

01:50:45.000 And Mike Benz laid it out. 0.99

01:50:46.000 He said USAID was for tasks that were too dirty for the CIA.

01:50:52.000 Yeah.

01:50:52.000 Which is crazy.

01:50:53.000 So like if they've been engineering this long game and engineering the collapse of legitimate governments all throughout the world, bombing places, creating refugees, and then having these not just open border policies, but inviting and helping people get into countries and then giving them money when they get there. 0.82

01:51:15.000 Yeah.

01:51:16.000 Like so many people do not want to admit that that was really going on, despite all of the evidence.

01:51:23.000 It's designed to destroy whatever confidence you have in law enforcement, in civilization, in the electoral process.

01:51:33.000 Yeah, what's the answer?

01:51:34.000 Okay, so given a choice between totalitarianism or cannibalism, which would you prefer?

01:51:41.000 Right, right.

01:51:42.000 You take cannibalism because you don't want to be eaten.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 You take totalitarianism because you're preferred.

01:51:46.000 No, I mean you take totalitarianism.

01:51:48.000 You don't want to be eaten.

01:51:49.000 I would rather not be in the movie The Road.

01:51:52.000 But I feel like we're going to be able to do it.

01:51:54.000 I feel like we're increasingly in the movie Children of Men.

01:51:57.000 And I mean, that movie was a pretty accurate futurist example of where we're heading with collapsing birth rates and at least portions of civilization looking at extinction.

01:52:12.000 I mean, they're experiencing South Korea, Japan.

01:52:16.000 Can you find that guy's manifesto?

01:52:18.000 I think that's a good idea.

01:52:19.000 Corona is a genius for making that film.

01:52:21.000 I just want to say.

01:52:22.000 Children of Men. 0.58

01:52:23.000 Yeah, fantastic movie.

01:52:25.000 So today is my last day at Anthropic.

01:52:27.000 I resigned.

01:52:28.000 Here's the letter I shared with my colleagues explaining my decision.

01:52:32.000 That's a lot to read.

01:52:33.000 What is the synopsis?

01:52:35.000 Just ask perplexity what the synopsis of what this guy said.

01:52:39.000 Okay.

01:52:40.000 Sharma, who built defenses against AI-assisted bioterrorism and pushed for transparency on model risks at the San Francisco AI firm, announced his resignation on Monday.

01:52:50.000 He described struggles to let values guide actions amid mounting pressures, planning to return to the UK for a poetry degree and step back from the spotlight.

01:52:59.000 His exit follows other safety team departures amid Anthropic's launch of Claude Opus 4.6 and a massive $20 billion funding round at $350, $350 billion valuation, fueling debates on balancing safety with commercial speed.

01:53:17.000 Okay, but what is he saying specifically is the issue?

01:53:23.000 Let's click on that. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:53:25.000 Let's click on his. 1.00

01:53:26.000 I started talking to him and it scared the bejesus out of him.

01:53:28.000 The safe holds. 0.98

01:53:30.000 He's part of the guiding of the damn it, lost the word. 0.99

01:53:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:38.000 Bioweapon.

01:53:39.000 I mean, look, this guy's built something, and all of a sudden, he's realizing all the players that are funding it are likely, you know, scary, scary people.

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 Scary people who are all in the same club, you know, drinking baby blood and Ophal together. 0.99

01:53:57.000 What's Ophal again? 1.00

01:53:58.000 Shit. 1.00

01:53:59.000 Meconium. 1.00

01:54:00.000 Newconium, which is like baby poop.

01:54:03.000 Yeah.

01:54:04.000 That's in the files.

01:54:05.000 What comes next, I do not know.

01:54:06.000 I think fondly of this famous Zen quote, not knowing is most intimate.

01:54:13.000 My intention is to create a space to set aside the structures that have held me these past years and see what might emerge in their absence.

01:54:21.000 He's already working on his poetry right here.

01:54:23.000 I feel called to writing that addresses and engages fully with the place we find ourselves, and that places poetic truth alongside scientific truth as equally valid ways of knowing.

01:54:37.000 It was written for him by AI.

01:54:39.000 Elon said something very bizarre recently.

01:54:42.000 He was talking about the speed of light, that the speed of light cannot be, you can't bypass or exceed the speed of light.

01:54:49.000 If you believe Einstein, yeah.

01:54:50.000 He said, unless we live in a simulation.

01:54:52.000 Or unless Einstein was wrong.

01:54:54.000 Right.

01:54:55.000 I mean, a lot of astrophysics is based on a false premise that P equals P prime, and that the sun is designed a certain way, and it's completely wrong.

01:55:05.000 And everything that we know about the stars and how we view the nature of the universe is fundamentally incorrect.

01:55:12.000 How is it wrong?

01:55:14.000 It's based on this idea of the stability of Kelvin temperatures in the sun, which is this P equals P prime thing.

01:55:26.000 And the guy who invented CAT scan machines, there's sort of a Venn diagram overlapping of this photographic technique and astrophysics.

01:55:36.000 And what he realized is, holy cow, that is not true.

01:55:41.000 And therefore, so much of everything that we know about how we view the cosmos is incorrect.

01:55:48.000 And so much of it.

01:55:50.000 Now, how did they find out that it was incorrect?

01:55:52.000 Well, he's a mathematician.

01:55:53.000 He figured it out.

01:55:54.000 I would have to look up his name and everything.

01:55:57.000 And what is incorrect about it?

01:55:58.000 Do you remember that?

01:56:00.000 Well, it's at the beginning of astrophysics, there is this formula.

01:56:05.000 And if that formula is wrong, then the preceding calculations are also wrong, or at least off.

01:56:11.000 And so the idea is that what we view is really just kind of a cartoon that's painted for us using all these formulas and using radio telescopes.

01:56:24.000 And so things are not as they seem.

01:56:30.000 They already have issues with the findings from the James Webb telescope.

01:56:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:34.000 Well, that's probably part of it.

01:56:37.000 You know, I have to say, like, I mean, I'm a provocateur, and so I'm always interested in finding that which upsets people's concepts of things.

01:56:50.000 And that's partly because I'm a screenwriter, and I'm looking for these kind of conflicts and interesting ideas and stuff like that.

01:56:57.000 So take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

01:57:00.000 But the big one, the biggest conspiracy theory that freaks everybody out is flat Earth.

01:57:07.000 Now, I don't know what the Earth is, but experientially, through the testimony of the eyes, it is flat.

01:57:15.000 And there is very little chance that I will ever in my life, or most of us, will ever in our life experience anything other than what is effectively a flat Earth.

01:57:26.000 And the way laser sighting across large bodies of water or navigation maps for air travel for pilots is always the presumption of a flat Earth.

01:57:41.000 It's always in the pilot manuals and on maps.

01:57:46.000 Well, if you're flying a jet at low altitude, you're not making corrections for curvature, even though you're going fast enough where you should be.

01:57:54.000 And so what's actually happening there?

01:57:56.000 Well, and so the idea is, look, I don't know what the world is or what the realm that we're in is, but experientially, from my perspective in life, it is nothing but a flat Earth.

01:58:11.000 But what about travel routes?

01:58:12.000 Like, what about when they fly over Antarctica?

01:58:16.000 Well, they don't fly over Army.

01:58:17.000 Well, you can watch the sun rise and fall.

01:58:21.000 They don't even fly from Cape Down to Buenos Aires.

01:58:23.000 There's a precession of the equinoxial.

01:58:26.000 They travel up into the other hemisphere and land in London or something and then travel back down whenever you're doing a flight across the Atlantic.

01:58:35.000 And so when you look at it on a flat Earth map, there are some satellite photographs of Earth from space.

01:58:42.000 Those are all cartoons.

01:58:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:58:44.000 I'm saying that even the NASA, the guys who actually do those composites, those are composite imagery of – listen, I'm not – I am not saying that – But it seems like you're saying that the Earth is possibly flat.

01:58:57.000 I'm saying experientially.

01:58:59.000 Right.

01:59:00.000 But that's a sphere.

01:59:01.000 That's a scale issue, though.

01:59:03.000 We're a tiny little thing on an enormous thing.

01:59:03.000 Correct.

01:59:06.000 Correct.

01:59:07.000 But, you know, snipers have to calculate for the curvature of the Earth when they shoot.

01:59:12.000 Only the curvature of the landscape that they're on.

01:59:15.000 Why do you think the landscape curves?

01:59:15.000 Right.

01:59:17.000 The landscape doesn't curve.

01:59:19.000 It is a mountainous and uneven.

01:59:21.000 Not always uneven.

01:59:22.000 No, on flat planes, you have to do the same thing.

01:59:25.000 If you're making a long shot over a flat area, like if you had to shoot.

01:59:29.000 Well, then why don't pilots make adjustments?

01:59:32.000 I'm not a pilot.

01:59:33.000 I don't know.

01:59:34.000 But I do know that when you look at the navigation maps always presume a flat Earth.

01:59:39.000 When you look at the film from the space station, you see an Earth that's not just round, but spinning.

01:59:45.000 I see what I actually, the space station, the International Space Station is actually not high enough to see curvature.

01:59:54.000 And what you're seeing is the lens distortion.

01:59:59.000 It's not high enough to see curvature when you look at it.

02:00:02.000 It's actually even – it's very, very close to the – Let's look at footage from the space station of Earth.

02:00:10.000 So when you see satellite images that are taken of the Earth, you think they're lying?

02:00:15.000 You think there's this grand conspiracy to piece all these pictures together and turn it into a circle instead of having a flash?

02:00:21.000 That's the fundamental conspiracy theory that unravels everyone.

02:00:27.000 Well, it doesn't make any sense because everything that we see in the cosmos that's a planetary body is round, including stars.

02:00:35.000 So it's all round, except for small moons.

02:00:38.000 Everything's round and that's because I'm not even I'm not even certain certain that space exists that Well, that the moon is anything more than a plasma.

02:00:48.000 A plasma.

02:00:49.000 Yeah.

02:00:50.000 What does that mean?

02:00:51.000 That it's a plasma effect, a lenticular effect of some kind.

02:00:56.000 So that it's not a real thing, but it affects the tides.

02:01:00.000 It is something that we have landed.

02:01:01.000 At the very least, we've landed probes.

02:01:04.000 We don't know that it affects the tides.

02:01:05.000 People theorize the tides.

02:01:11.000 This is live footage from the space station.

02:01:13.000 And I'm saying that that's lens.

02:01:15.000 And I'm saying that's lens curvature.

02:01:16.000 And that what you're actually seeing.

02:01:17.000 Why do you think that's lens curvature?

02:01:18.000 And that what you're seeing is horizon.

02:01:20.000 So what you're talking about is like if I'm trying to provoke you, that's what I'm saying. 0.98

02:01:24.000 Right, but let's not do that right now because I don't want you to be completely fucking insane. 0.65

02:01:29.000 Because this is a round body, just like the moon, just like Mars, just like Jupiter, just like Uranus.

02:01:34.000 That appears to be a – but in your practical life experience, you have to accept a certain amount of faith is what I'm getting at at any moment.

02:01:44.000 But they understand the procession of the economists.

02:01:48.000 Okay, do you know that the procession of the Ignotes is how they measure the sky over a period of 26,000 years? 0.93

02:01:55.000 I see right there a little stitching, like right there.

02:01:59.000 I just said this would just keep going straight forever.

02:02:02.000 Do you see that line?

02:02:02.000 Do you see that line right there?

02:02:04.000 What is that?

02:02:05.000 What is that line?

02:02:06.000 Yeah, what is that line?

02:02:07.000 Well, that looks like stitching to me.

02:02:09.000 It looks like they've stitched together and it crosses over there through that mountain range right there.

02:02:13.000 That is weird.

02:02:14.000 Whatever that is.

02:02:15.000 So by your very example, I'm just saying that you have to have a certain amount of faith in that.

02:02:20.000 And on the surface, Mundus Volt des AP.

02:02:22.000 Okay, okay.

02:02:24.000 You're freaking me out.

02:02:25.000 Go back to that, Jamie.

02:02:27.000 So what is the explanation?

02:02:28.000 Go back a little bit.

02:02:29.000 Yeah, what is the explanation of that line right there?

02:02:31.000 I don't know.

02:02:31.000 Right, but how weird is that?

02:02:33.000 That is weird that there's this line.

02:02:35.000 Right, because that in itself is a composite image, a cartoon that has been put together for you to look at this apparent live imagery.

02:02:44.000 So is this multiple images that are supposedly pieced together?

02:02:50.000 Is that what they're talking about?

02:02:51.000 I'm saying that things fall into, like, the way perspective works is that things appear to fall into the horizon.

02:02:58.000 But now you use a, what is that camera?

02:03:00.000 Is it a P200 camera where you can actually zoom in and lift things out of the horizon that have appeared to fall into the horizon?

02:03:09.000 This live video feed from the International Space Station has been interrupted because you're watching too much due to either a change in the onboard camera configuration or a loss of signal with the communications network.

02:03:20.000 The video will return when the connection is re-established.

02:03:22.000 So this is during the live feed.

02:03:24.000 This isn't from NASA's YouTube channel.

02:03:26.000 It's just down right now.

02:03:27.000 It's just down right now.

02:03:28.000 Okay.

02:03:29.000 So you're saying that this is like a fisheye effect of a lens.

02:03:33.000 Yeah, I'm saying potentially.

02:03:34.000 I'm saying that, and that we can even see that whenever they're up there shooting with cameras outside, you're like, oh, there's the curvature.

02:03:44.000 And then every now and then the camera turns and it inverts for a moment.

02:03:47.000 Then it goes back down.

02:03:48.000 I've never seen that.

02:03:50.000 I watch a lot of NASA stuff.

02:03:52.000 And listen, I'm not saying that we're not living on a globe or at least an oblate spheroid, as Neil deGrasse Tyson says, but have you ever noticed how spasticated that guy gets whenever you throw out the word flat earth?

02:04:04.000 He flips out like the way Robert De Niro flips out on like irrationally, he flips out.

02:04:11.000 He flips out when you say that men can't be women, which is very weird.

02:04:16.000 Yeah, and that they should be able to compete in women's sports, which is very weird. 1.00

02:04:21.000 For a man of science, that's bonkers.

02:04:22.000 Or that they should be able to go to jail and that a sex offender. 1.00

02:04:26.000 Fucking insane. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Not just that, but rapists. 1.00

02:04:29.000 Yeah, who do you think?

02:04:30.000 Who then put in jail women and then they have to pay for their electrolysis and breast augmentation, which is okay. 0.97

02:04:37.000 At what point in time do you say that this is some sort of a bizarre agenda that you're trying to get us to accept something that doesn't make any fucking sense? 0.99

02:04:46.000 So much so that you're willing to house male prisoners in with females because they say they're a male with an intact penis. 0.99

02:04:53.000 And then even after they get female prisoners pregnant or rape them. 0.98

02:04:58.000 We're all just trying to construct what reality is, and it tends to be a consensus of what it is.

02:05:06.000 But there are fringes on the ends that don't believe with what the consensus says.

02:05:12.000 Are they wrong?

02:05:13.000 But do you know how many people would have to be involved to promulgate this idea that there's a flat earth and you've got to cover up that thing and pretend it's round?

02:05:22.000 And what's the motivation of covering up the fact that the earth is flat?

02:05:26.000 I mean, if we're really fundamentally getting down to it, it's about God.

02:05:30.000 And it's about what is this realm that we're in?

02:05:33.000 And are we part of creation?

02:05:35.000 And, you know, why would it be more likely to be available?

02:05:39.000 Every culture, every culture throughout recorded history draws us in this kind of flat earthish environment with a dome, a firmament that covers it up until like when, the 1930s or something?

02:05:54.000 Right, when they start making telescopes.

02:05:58.000 I mean, so this is a grand conspiracy like Galileo was wrong, Copernicus was wrong, all these people.

02:05:58.000 Right.

02:06:04.000 All of recorded history is wrong.

02:06:06.000 And I mean, the other option is that we are just specks of nothing floating around in an endless, vast nothing that goes on forever, and that you are completely insignificant, that you are not God's perfect creation, which I think you are.

02:06:23.000 Well, that doesn't, they're not mutually exclusive.

02:06:25.000 You know, just because we are in this vast cosmos that's almost impossible for our mammal minds to grasp the magnitude of it doesn't mean that God's not real.

02:06:37.000 It's exclusive to people who believe the Bible word for word.

02:06:41.000 I'm not saying I do necessarily.

02:06:46.000 I would be considered apostate by most people.

02:06:51.000 I've been reading the Bible a lot, and one of the problems that I find is it's clearly got the hand of man on it.

02:06:57.000 Well, it's been edited.

02:06:58.000 It's been edited, you know, the King James, or who was King James?

02:07:02.000 He wrote books on demons as well.

02:07:05.000 And so – Well, even the Old Testament.

02:07:08.000 The Old Testament has the hand of man on it. 0.58

02:07:10.000 Not just that, but it's also been translated so many different times.

02:07:13.000 Like ancient Hebrew, the letters double as numbers.

02:07:16.000 There's no numbers in ancient Hebrew.

02:07:18.000 So words have numerical value to them.

02:07:21.000 And, you know, imagine translating such a complex language where the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value.

02:07:30.000 I believe.

02:07:31.000 Here's another thing.

02:07:32.000 I've read that.

02:07:33.000 So let me find out if that's true.

02:07:33.000 I don't know if it's true.

02:07:35.000 Put that into perplexity.

02:07:37.000 There's a lot of weird stuff in the Bible.

02:07:40.000 In Genesis, when the Nephilim come down and they find women comely, and so they, like, okay, what's actually going on there?

02:07:49.000 These angels or Nephilim are coming down and they're taking women from men and having sex with them and then creating, you know, hybrid offspring. 0.99

02:08:02.000 When Representative Anna Paulina Luna was here, she told me about the book of Enoch.

02:08:06.000 She's like, you have to read that.

02:08:07.000 Have you ever read it?

02:08:08.000 So I read it.

02:08:08.000 No.

02:08:10.000 Have you seen the Carpenter Son, the Nicholas Cage movie?

02:08:13.000 No.

02:08:14.000 Incredible.

02:08:16.000 What did I just have you look up, though, before I lose my train of thought?

02:08:18.000 King James Bible thing.

02:08:22.000 What?

02:08:22.000 That's what I was trying to ask specifically.

02:08:23.000 Which part did you ask about?

02:08:24.000 No, what I asked you was ancient Hebrew.

02:08:28.000 So the letters also double those numbers.

02:08:31.000 That's what the movie Pi is all about.

02:08:33.000 And that the word love and the word God have the same numerical value.

02:08:36.000 I'm very certain that that's true, but I want to really double check that.

02:08:41.000 So numerology exists around us everywhere.

02:08:44.000 And everything seems to have a kind of, and that's what the Aronofsky film Pi was kind of all about.

02:08:52.000 That was a great movie.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, it's a very fascinating statement by this mathematician.

02:08:58.000 We talked about it on a recent podcast, was that how strange is it that we find out that the universe is made out of math and that it's encoded in the universe itself?

02:09:12.000 So a tool that we used that human beings created to measure the universe, it turns out that that tool is how the universe is actually encoded.

02:09:23.000 Well, this gets back to what Elon is saying about the world being a simulation.

02:09:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:28.000 What is a simulation?

02:09:29.000 A simulation.

02:09:30.000 So it says, no, in ancient Hebrew, whatever that word is, gematria, no direct name of God shares the exact same numerical value as the word for love.

02:09:41.000 So what is the basis of that rumor?

02:09:44.000 Sacred name equals 26, a name for God equals 86.

02:09:50.000 Is there a word for God?

02:09:50.000 Okay.

02:09:53.000 Elohim.

02:09:54.000 Does that have the same?

02:09:56.000 It's a name.

02:09:57.000 Right.

02:09:58.000 What is the value of.

02:10:00.000 Click on that below that, below that where it says, what is the gemantric.

02:10:05.000 What is that word?

02:10:06.000 I had to look it up.

02:10:06.000 It's Gematria.

02:10:08.000 Gematria.

02:10:09.000 Primary Jewish mysticism.

02:10:10.000 Oh, Kabbalah.

02:10:11.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 Religious studies to find hidden spiritual meanings in sacred texts.

02:10:15.000 Okay.

02:10:16.000 It is fascinating that there's numerical value in words.

02:10:19.000 Like, there's no way you're going to get that when you translate it to Latin.

02:10:23.000 So that is a gem.

02:10:24.000 Or Greek.

02:10:25.000 That is a value of 86.

02:10:26.000 And what is love's value?

02:10:30.000 What is the value?

02:10:31.000 What is the ancient Hebrew word for love?

02:10:35.000 What is the ancient Hebrew word for love?

02:10:43.000 What you mean by love is going to be very, you have to say, do you mean like love between two people?

02:10:48.000 Okay, what is the gemantria?

02:10:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:10:53.000 That's a good point.

02:10:54.000 I have a different word for it.

02:10:55.000 Definitely.

02:10:56.000 So what is that?

02:10:57.000 Click on that.

02:10:58.000 What's the gemantria value of Avala?

02:11:00.000 Right there?

02:11:02.000 Right there?

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:03.000 Click on that.

02:11:08.000 It's 13.

02:11:09.000 So that's a different number, too.

02:11:11.000 Interesting.

02:11:13.000 13 twice equals 26, the value of Yahweh. 0.76

02:11:17.000 Yeah.

02:11:17.000 Huh.

02:11:19.000 This movie, The Carpenter's Son, is all about the infancy of Jesus, and I think it was written by Matthew.

02:11:25.000 And it's part of these, I mean, I may have this wrong, but Coptic texts.

02:11:35.000 And it is like Cobus Cage is so good in this movie.

02:11:41.000 So twice 13 equals 26, the value of Yahweh, implying love mirrors or completes God's essence.

02:11:50.000 Okay, so that's where that comes from.

02:11:52.000 I was going to ask where it came from.

02:11:53.000 Right, that's where it comes from.

02:11:54.000 God is love.

02:11:54.000 So God is love.

02:11:56.000 So love twice is God.

02:11:59.000 So here's a question.

02:12:01.000 What happened?

02:12:03.000 So I understand.

02:12:06.000 I understand.

02:12:06.000 Go to ask a follow-up.

02:12:08.000 So how was the numerical value of ancient Hebrew language lost when they translated it to Latin?

02:12:20.000 To Greek.

02:12:21.000 But to Greek first, right? 0.63

02:12:23.000 How is the numerical value of ancient Hebrew words?

02:12:30.000 Numerical value of ancient Hebrew words lost when they translated it to Greek.

02:12:38.000 Because it seems like if the it's not just context, like what is your word for that?

02:12:43.000 Like the word meant a different thing to them.

02:12:47.000 You know?

02:12:48.000 Numerical values of ancient Hebrew words calculated via germatria where letters double as numbers was not preserved in Greek translations.

02:13:00.000 Hebrew letters inherently carry fixed numerical values, enabling word sums.

02:13:07.000 Greek letters have their own values.

02:13:10.000 Equivalents rarely match Hebrew sums exactly.

02:13:13.000 So you're going to lose it.

02:13:14.000 You know, when you read like Russian translations of English or English or Russian, it gets like super screwy. 0.93

02:13:21.000 For sure, for sure.

02:13:22.000 Is this for sure like real?

02:13:23.000 Ancient Spanish survivions.

02:13:25.000 It's incredibly difficult.

02:13:27.000 Even all words mean another number that all have some sort of secret meaning.

02:13:33.000 Runic writing from the Nordics is the same thing.

02:13:36.000 And there is a striking resemblance between many of the runes with Hebrew.

02:13:41.000 And so these ideas and these glyphs and symbols that Odin first saw while hanging upside down from the tree and learned language and how to speak are somewhat universal across the planet.

02:13:54.000 Let's get to that for a second, but let's find out what Jamie's saying.

02:13:58.000 Primarily used in Jewish mysticism and religious studies to find hidden spiritual meanings in sacred texts like Torah by assigning numerical values to Hebrew letters and words, revealing connections between concepts and exploring the universe's underlying structure.

02:14:13.000 What's interesting is it's an older language, but doesn't that seem like a more complex language?

02:14:18.000 A language that combines numerical value with words?

02:14:23.000 If you said something to me, it's not just implied by your tone or by the context of what you're saying that I understand what it means to you, but it's in the numerical value of the words.

02:14:37.000 That seems like a better way to communicate than just nouns and verbs and adverbs.

02:14:42.000 Rather than bifurcating numbers and letters together.

02:14:46.000 It sounds like a way better move.

02:14:48.000 I mean, doesn't it?

02:14:49.000 It seems like if you can understand that, and if you grew up with that, that seems like that would be a much richer and deeper way of communicating.

02:14:57.000 Isaac Asimov wrote a book called Asimov on Numbers, which is fantastic, which talks about this.

02:15:02.000 And he talks about Kalahari Bushman who have no concept of the number zero and how they process and understand concepts like when no one is around, if the village is empty, and things like that.

02:15:17.000 And so just different people are just trying to figure out how to articulate everything.

02:15:23.000 And computer programming is a language that utilizes numbers.

02:15:28.000 It's weird when there's certain languages that don't have a word for something. 0.98

02:15:33.000 So people really grasp, they have a hard time grasping what the fuck you're trying to say. 0.95

02:15:38.000 Like, what's the translation for this? 0.98

02:15:40.000 Like, we don't have a word for that.

02:15:42.000 We don't understand the concept of empathy.

02:15:45.000 Well, there's certain cultures that are like tribal cultures that can't understand the concept of maintenance.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:54.000 They don't have that.

02:15:55.000 I've heard that.

02:15:56.000 Yeah, which is weird.

02:15:57.000 Like, you think about it, like, oh, right.

02:15:59.000 Why would they need maintenance?

02:16:00.000 Right.

02:16:00.000 Why would they need maintenance?

02:16:01.000 If you live a subsistence lifestyle, you live off the land, you don't need maintenance.

02:16:04.000 And then suddenly you're thrust into the 21st century and Chinese are building highways for you. 1.00

02:16:11.000 And the highways collapse.

02:16:12.000 Yeah, and the highways just collapse because no one's maintaining it.

02:16:15.000 Right.

02:16:16.000 It's interesting.

02:16:16.000 Yeah.

02:16:17.000 But it's interesting.

02:16:19.000 You're pulling people out of the Stone Age and dropping them into, or maybe the Iron Age and dropping them suddenly into this idea that we're missing a thousand years.

02:16:30.000 So if we really are missing this one thousand, there's two things I want to get to that.

02:16:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:35.000 Added a thousand years.

02:16:36.000 I really want to get to that.

02:16:38.000 And well, I meant by missing, like they don't exist in the real world.

02:16:43.000 I want to get to that and I want to get to, is there a conventional explanation for that stitching?

02:16:48.000 Why that image, like what is the mainstream?

02:16:51.000 I got to dig up what that we were even looking at.

02:16:53.000 I don't know.

02:16:54.000 Right.

02:16:54.000 It was not the NASA channel we were looking at.

02:16:56.000 I don't, you know, I can dig down that rabbit.

02:16:58.000 What were we looking at?

02:17:00.000 I've tried to pick up a video of live.

02:17:02.000 You know, the globe imagery that...

02:17:03.000 Hold on a second.

02:17:04.000 So that image might not have been an official image.

02:17:07.000 That might have been something that someone created.

02:17:09.000 I'm not saying that.

02:17:10.000 Well, let me retract so words aren't taken out of context.

02:17:13.000 I'm just saying it seemed like a live video.

02:17:16.000 It was live on YouTube.

02:17:18.000 Oh, but it could have been AI.

02:17:20.000 I don't know.

02:17:21.000 Yeah, I have to go back to look at the screen.

02:17:23.000 I'm working fast over here.

02:17:24.000 No, I get it, dog.

02:17:25.000 I get it.

02:17:27.000 Jamie, you do the job of 15 dudes, though.

02:17:30.000 I appreciate it.

02:17:30.000 I found a video from 11 years ago on Vimeo that is from SpaceX.

02:17:35.000 So it's not NASA, it's someone else.

02:17:36.000 And it's like, it's up and down of the rocket.

02:17:40.000 You can argue all day that it's got curvature.

02:17:41.000 It doesn't have curvature.

02:17:42.000 When you see a rocket launch, what does it do?

02:17:44.000 It goes kind of sideways across the sky.

02:17:47.000 And so we've now seen that pretty regularly.

02:17:50.000 And that's because they're really not going above the troposphere.

02:17:54.000 Well, I watched the SpaceX launch live.

02:17:57.000 I was there.

02:17:58.000 It went straight up in the air.

02:17:59.000 And then it curves and it travels sideways across the sky until it meets a certain orbit, and then it traveled and dropped off in Australia 35 minutes later.

02:18:08.000 I went to the city.

02:18:09.000 Out of your view.

02:18:10.000 No.

02:18:11.000 I watched the entire thing from the command center.

02:18:14.000 I watched it from like 24 different cameras.

02:18:17.000 But how high did it go?

02:18:18.000 Did it go above the troposphere?

02:18:21.000 Not likely.

02:18:22.000 This is not above.

02:18:23.000 This is the troposphere.

02:18:25.000 How many miles is that up?

02:18:26.000 This is low Earth orbit.

02:18:28.000 Right.

02:18:29.000 But at low Earth orbit, Jesus Christ, that looks like a globe, huh?

02:18:33.000 But watch as the camera rotates.

02:18:35.000 This is also an edited video.

02:18:36.000 I don't want to get stuck in this.

02:18:37.000 Right, right.

02:18:40.000 As Elon would say, it's real because it looks fake.

02:18:43.000 Or when it looks fake, that's when you know it's real. 1.00

02:18:46.000 Say that about Bigfoot then, bitch. 1.00

02:18:49.000 Because Bigfoot looks fake as fuck, and it's definitely not real. 1.00

02:18:53.000 You know what's real? 1.00

02:18:54.000 That Turkish sharpshooter. 0.97

02:18:55.000 That dude was like G open the corner.

02:18:59.000 Press play.

02:18:59.000 See what this is supposed to be.

02:19:01.000 It cuts.

02:19:02.000 Yeah.

02:19:02.000 Okay.

02:19:03.000 Oh, I see.

02:19:04.000 I see.

02:19:04.000 It's a solid bunch of different cameras.

02:19:06.000 And now you can actually see an inversion occurring on the horizon right there.

02:19:11.000 It's just a small piece of it.

02:19:12.000 Correct.

02:19:13.000 But the lens distortion on the side of the frame is causing the horizon there to invert.

02:19:19.000 And that's because of lens distortion.

02:19:21.000 If it was this.

02:19:21.000 I see what you're saying.

02:19:22.000 And the fact of the matter is, even at the height, even at the height that these are orbiting at, and I'm not saying, like, presuming a globular planet, and even the word planet, plane, it's like a plane, you know, or the horizon is horizontal, like, you know, even presuming that, the height that they're at right now, you would still only see, you know, a circular,

02:19:49.000 you'd see the limit of your vision, which has a...

02:19:53.000 Because it's so massive.

02:19:54.000 Yeah, which is because it's so massive.

02:19:56.000 You're still high enough.

02:19:57.000 Well, you're still not high enough to truly see curvature.

02:20:01.000 If we are in a simulation and if consciousness affects the reality of things and they are only real if we are experiencing them, that's when things get really squirrely.

02:20:12.000 The testimony of your eyes.

02:20:13.000 Like, I know that I am here right now.

02:20:15.000 Not just the testimony of your eyes, but your consciousness interacting with reality is what creates it.

02:20:22.000 Correct.

02:20:23.000 I mean, that's where things get super sweet.

02:20:25.000 How do you know gravity exists, for example?

02:20:27.000 Well, gravity's not clearly defined.

02:20:29.000 Correct.

02:20:30.000 Gravity is a number.

02:20:31.000 Gravity is a concept, and it's a truly non-provable concept because you can prove the exact same thing through density and buoyancy.

02:20:39.000 You know, the density and buoyancy, you know, make a lot of sense.

02:20:42.000 Come the oceans react to the way they do and don't, you know, it's not necessarily provable, but it's believable.

02:20:54.000 You come to a certain point where you're like, okay, faith takes over at this point.

02:20:58.000 My faith in gravity, my faith in the globe, because that's what's been told to me since I was a baby, at a certain point that just takes over.

02:21:10.000 Not just that.

02:21:10.000 And you accept that as a fundamental piece of what reality is because we want to believe we understand the universe.

02:21:16.000 What I'm saying is, we don't understand jack shit about the universe. 0.87

02:21:20.000 We don't know anything. 0.96

02:21:22.000 And all we do is we believe what they tell us.

02:21:26.000 And they is just the cumulative understanding of how things are.

02:21:30.000 But in ancient times, they had a different understanding of things.

02:21:34.000 And that was how it was back then.

02:21:37.000 And so because they had no other way to describe things based on where the sun was going to be during the solar equinox, they also were aware of the precession of the equinoxes, which is the wobble of Earth's orbit.

02:21:53.000 So Earth spinning around doesn't spin perfectly.

02:21:57.000 There is a 26,000-year wobble, and you can predict it by the night sky.

02:22:01.000 Somehow Polaris remains centered in the sky and all stars rotate around it.

02:22:07.000 That's extraordinary.

02:22:08.000 If we're traveling— What do you mean?

02:22:10.000 So during the precession of the equinoxes over a 26,000-year cycle, Polaris remote spots.

02:22:17.000 Supposedly that's where we're flying towards as a solar system as we travel through the galaxy in this constant of the planet.

02:22:25.000 The equinoxes, this wobble, over a 26,000-year period, it will move in the sky.

02:22:30.000 Well, the point of Polaris will always remain where it is directly.

02:22:36.000 The point, but our perspective of it will vary depending upon where we are in this 26,000-year cycle.

02:22:42.000 It undergoes a kind of penumbra of sort, a kind of motion of sorts.

02:22:48.000 A figure eight times.

02:22:48.000 It changes.

02:22:50.000 It changes.

02:22:51.000 It changes.

02:22:51.000 Look at it.

02:22:52.000 It says right here.

02:22:53.000 Due to 26,000-year axial precession cycle, the North Star changes over millennia.

02:22:59.000 While Polaris is the current North Star, other stars have held this position, including Thuban, 3,000 BC, and future stars will include Arai, Alderman, Aldurman, and Vega.

02:23:14.000 So it's not the same star.

02:23:16.000 It's just what is dependent upon where we are in the precession of the equinoxes.

02:23:22.000 That's why.

02:23:23.000 Well, not that the Earth is flat.

02:23:25.000 I know it's true because it's on Google.

02:23:26.000 But it's not just that.

02:23:27.000 We know where they've been able to accurately predict the motion of the precession of the equinoxes based on the constellations, which are clearly mapped out.

02:23:36.000 So we understand this wobble.

02:23:38.000 And this wobble may be responsible for cycles of Earth's climate, how things change and be dependent upon where the equator sits and where these poles sit and kind of wiggles around.

02:23:51.000 Remember when we were younger, the sun was kind of yellow and orange, and now it's just like white?

02:23:56.000 Like reality is changing.

02:23:58.000 I mean, things change.

02:23:59.000 The sun looks exactly the same to me.

02:24:01.000 Do you think the sun is the same?

02:24:01.000 It does?

02:24:02.000 To me, it's— I think pollution has affected it somewhat, especially if you live in L.A.

02:24:07.000 Well, there used to be more pollution, and so maybe that's an excuse of why the sun would be more yellow.

02:24:12.000 But I've lived all over the world.

02:24:13.000 Did you see Epstein talking about gravity?

02:24:15.000 Oh, boy.

02:24:16.000 Here we go.

02:24:17.000 Here we go.

02:24:19.000 I don't know.

02:24:19.000 I'll just say.

02:24:20.000 What does he have to say?

02:24:21.000 It's only 45 seconds.

02:24:21.000 It's fun.

02:24:22.000 Try to let it go.

02:24:26.000 So someone's pushing the ball.

02:24:28.000 Because I know that I am confident that the only thing that gets something to move is with a force that pushes.

02:24:34.000 So there's a force that's pushing the ball down.

02:24:37.000 In fact, Called it gravity.

02:24:42.000 He measured how fast it was pulled, but never was able to explain why it happened.

02:24:50.000 How is it?

02:24:51.000 What is gravity?

02:24:53.000 It's this, everybody says, well, why did the ball fall to the ground?

02:24:56.000 Because gravity took it.

02:24:57.000 But what's gravity?

02:24:58.000 That's, as Feynman would say, that's the name of the thing.

02:25:02.000 We have no idea what it is.

02:25:04.000 That's the end of that clip.

02:25:05.000 Or it's just density and buoyancy.

02:25:07.000 He was really into this topic, apparently.

02:25:09.000 Apparently.

02:25:10.000 He knew a lot about it.

02:25:11.000 You know who you should have on is Eric Dubay.

02:25:14.000 Oh, he's the flat Earth guy.

02:25:14.000 Do you know who this guy is?

02:25:16.000 Yeah, he's the flat Earth guy.

02:25:17.000 And he's written a book called 100 Proofs.

02:25:19.000 And in order to prove something, you also have to prove things wrong.

02:25:22.000 You went down some rabbit holes.

02:25:24.000 Roger.

02:25:25.000 look I'm a screenwriter and so I'm always looking for things like this to write stuff about and so it's I take it all In order to prove what?

02:25:33.000 Whenever you have a proof, you also have to disprove.

02:25:36.000 And so, you know, he wrote a book called 100 Proofs about the nature of the Earth and how it is.

02:25:46.000 And it has explanations for many of the things you're talking about.

02:25:51.000 Hasn't he debated people that actually understand how you can prove that the Earth is round?

02:25:57.000 He does it very calmly and it infuriates people.

02:26:00.000 Right, but I don't think he's done well.

02:26:02.000 It's very enjoyable to watch because it's really funny.

02:26:04.000 But to people that are actual cosmologists, he's not performed well in these.

02:26:08.000 Well, the cosmologists will say things that still need to be, if you're making statements, they still need to be, you still need to disprove the other proofs.

02:26:21.000 Right, but there's plenty of people that have disproven that the Earth is flat.

02:26:26.000 I'm saying simple experiments.

02:26:29.000 The Joe Rogan experience throughout life, you are really like when you go up into an airplane, I do not see the curvature of the Earth.

02:26:37.000 Well, you can't because of perspective, because you're so tiny.

02:26:39.000 Correct, because we're so tiny.

02:26:40.000 So all I'm saying is that through experience, that the testimony of your eyes, you will never experience a globular Earth.

02:26:49.000 You can't have to at a certain effect of an Earth that's a globe if you go to the other side of the Earth and it's dark out when it's sunny in California.

02:27:01.000 They've made models of how that could work on the flat.

02:27:04.000 Dorks have.

02:27:05.000 Dorks have made models. 0.96

02:27:06.000 But it doesn't line in with our understanding of cosmology.

02:27:09.000 It doesn't line in with our understanding of our orbit around the sun.

02:27:12.000 That's assuming you believe that we orbit around the sun.

02:27:15.000 Listen, I'm not saying that we don't orbit around the sun.

02:27:17.000 But if you're saying we don't live on a globular earth, but the numbers match.

02:27:22.000 If you do assume that they're correct, that we orbit around the sun, their calculations.

02:27:28.000 If they make the calculations on their flat earth model as well, then you still have to prove that wrong.

02:27:34.000 Right, but isn't it?

02:27:34.000 So NASA doing that is MIT.

02:27:37.000 NASA, of all people to believe, the ones who are digitally stitching shit and saying that's a government agency. 0.98

02:27:46.000 You went so deep with this, boy. 0.99

02:27:49.000 No, all I'm saying is my experience.

02:27:53.000 When I get on the plane later today and I'm flying back and I look outside, I'm going to see a flat, you know, a flat horizon, a horizontal horizon before me.

02:28:06.000 And when I land, and everything else is faith-based.

02:28:13.000 Well, that's all I'm saying.

02:28:14.000 It's not, though.

02:28:16.000 It's science-based.

02:28:17.000 It's based on data.

02:28:20.000 The word science means observation.

02:28:22.000 It means testimony of the world.

02:28:24.000 Which I'm talking about, the measurements.

02:28:27.000 Data.

02:28:28.000 Data is so far removed, one, from my ability to understand, but you must understand.

02:28:33.000 The circumference of the Earth, right?

02:28:36.000 You can understand the numbers, and the numbers line up exactly with how much time it would take for the Earth to go around in a day.

02:28:43.000 Sure.

02:28:44.000 And it works.

02:28:45.000 And what other experiment can you show me where water clings to a spinning ball?

02:28:51.000 Like, that's kind of the classic flat earther thing that they'll ask you. 0.96

02:28:56.000 Like, well, show me any other fucking ball that's 24,000 miles wide. 0.94

02:29:01.000 And the answer to that is gravity. 0.97

02:29:03.000 And what he's talking about in that clip that you just showed is gravity is just sort of this idea that we came up with to justify that.

02:29:10.000 But there's clearly a force that does that.

02:29:13.000 That's density.

02:29:14.000 Just density?

02:29:15.000 There's, yeah, density.

02:29:17.000 Well, then how come these two things will fall at the same time if I drop them when this is far heavier?

02:29:22.000 How come?

02:29:23.000 I do not have an answer for that.

02:29:24.000 Right.

02:29:25.000 But gravity does, right?

02:29:27.000 Gravity is, like he said, it's just a measurement.

02:29:29.000 It's a measurement of how things fall.

02:29:31.000 Right.

02:29:32.000 And that measure.

02:29:33.000 And the word that they invented, gravity, is just an explanation for how objects are pulled downward.

02:29:41.000 But those objects.

02:29:41.000 Right.

02:29:42.000 If it was just density, wouldn't a heavier object drop faster?

02:29:48.000 Well, when a... 0.65

02:29:50.000 There's two balls...

02:29:51.000 There's a bowling ball and feathers dropping in a vacuum, and they're falling at the exact same time.

02:29:56.000 How weird.

02:29:57.000 Vacuum, no density.

02:29:58.000 They both fall at the same time because of gravity or whatever the force we call gravity is.

02:30:03.000 But there is some sort of a force that we call gravity that could be measured in a vacuum.

02:30:08.000 Look how excited they all are.

02:30:09.000 Yeah, Brian Cox would be pissed if he was here right now. 0.99

02:30:12.000 He'd be shitting. 0.99

02:30:12.000 Oh, no, he'd be. 0.99

02:30:13.000 Listen, I'm not saying all I'm saying is that my experience in the world.

02:30:17.000 Of course, but your experience is based on perspective of being a tiny little thing on an enormous thing.

02:30:22.000 Correct.

02:30:23.000 That is correct.

02:30:23.000 Yeah.

02:30:24.000 That is correct.

02:30:24.000 Yeah.

02:30:25.000 There are a few YouTube channels that have broken down all of those flat earth ideas to go watch those.

02:30:30.000 I tried years ago and I gave up.

02:30:33.000 It is absolutely a rabbit hole.

02:30:36.000 But what's interesting about it is that if you extract the faith that you have in these kind of ideas and you supplement it with the faith of these other ideas, they're exchangeable. 0.74

02:30:57.000 They're only exchangeable if you don't understand the data and if you don't understand what's actually been measured or if you don't understand the path of satellites or if you don't understand how many different people would have had to lie about this shit and not achieve the same observational results that all these different space agencies have.

02:31:14.000 That the idea that they're all in collusion, that Japan and India and even countries that hate each other, they're all in collusion on this lie that the Earth is round.

02:31:25.000 It seems much more likely that there's a bunch of people with schizophrenia that think that the Earth is flat and they make these YouTube videos where they're very compelling because they're articulate and they use great words and they say it all in a nice way without being challenged by real facts along the way by someone who actually has studied this their whole life.

02:31:42.000 Right.

02:31:43.000 I still saw digital stitching on your example.

02:31:46.000 Yeah, it wasn't my example. 0.97

02:31:47.000 It was some shit Jamie randomly pulled offline. 0.99

02:31:50.000 That was weird, though. 0.99

02:31:51.000 And that's perfect for this world that we live in, to have sort of a glitch like that.

02:31:56.000 Well, that's kind of what I'm getting at is there is so much out there that it falls to faith.

02:32:03.000 And also, what does it really matter?

02:32:06.000 That's kind of what I'm getting at, ultimately, is what does all of that really matter?

02:32:11.000 What does it matter to anybody that there's a cabal of 8,000 plus people who are secretly controlling the world and doing occultism and drinking baby blood?

02:32:21.000 What does it really matter as long as you can just have your daily pint?

02:32:25.000 This is a very different subject now.

02:32:27.000 We've shifted.

02:32:28.000 You've moved away from the concept of the earth being flat and it's a giant lie that's promoted by a huge group of people that aren't even connected in any way, shape, or form to evil people that are involved in cult-like rituals, which has, by the way, always existed.

02:32:44.000 And this is why it's very difficult for people to imagine today that some of the things that you're hearing from the Epstein files, like the potential that they were eating children or killing children, or that they use that sulfuric acid to boil bodies. 0.55

02:32:58.000 We don't want to believe in evil that is that deep.

02:33:02.000 But in my opinion, if you can find out that evil is real, right?

02:33:06.000 Evil most certainly is real.

02:33:08.000 There's evil acts that we have documented all throughout the world.

02:33:11.000 There's evil that the cartel does.

02:33:13.000 I just watched a video where the cartel chopped this guy's head off and put it on a drone and flew it over to where the other cartel was.

02:33:20.000 They probably thought that was funny.

02:33:21.000 They probably thought it was funny.

02:33:23.000 Having a good time.

02:33:24.000 That's clearly evil.

02:33:26.000 There's plenty of demons.

02:33:27.000 Do you believe in demons?

02:33:30.000 I believe in the concept of demons.

02:33:32.000 I mean, demons don't materialize before us necessarily.

02:33:36.000 They rest upon the shoulders of men and whisper into their ears.

02:33:39.000 I believe people do evil things.

02:33:41.000 This is what I believe.

02:33:42.000 I believe that if I was a demon or if demons were real, they would get people to do things which are verifiably true that they have done.

02:33:54.000 If you were a demonic idea and you got into Oppenheimer's head or Patton's head or anybody's, and you wanted them to do something horrific to a bunch of innocent people, and you could say, this is because we're at war.

02:34:10.000 So we're going to drop a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. 0.87

02:34:13.000 Like, that's a demonic act. 0.98

02:34:15.000 It's a demonic act of eliminating hundreds of thousands or 100,000 plus people off the face of the earth who did nothing.

02:34:23.000 They're just citizens that are unfortunately involved in a country that is in a conflict with some people that they don't even know, and then you just got vaporized like that.

02:34:32.000 That seems demonic.

02:34:34.000 You've just expired.

02:34:36.000 But there are people who would argue that there are people who would argue that the war would have continued.

02:34:40.000 I've heard this argument too.

02:34:41.000 I've heard that argument too.

02:34:42.000 That the war would have continued and so many more would have died.

02:34:44.000 Well, if I was a demon, I would want to propagate that idea.

02:34:48.000 I would want you to think that you have to do it.

02:34:50.000 And so, like, is evil justification of things?

02:34:58.000 Certainly.

02:34:59.000 Of actions.

02:35:00.000 If you wanted to find a way where a demon, like, just like assume that demons are real.

02:35:07.000 How would demons best be able to enact demonic things on earth?

02:35:16.000 Would they do it by saying, I'm a demon, and this is what you should do, and this is horrible and evil?

02:35:23.000 Or would you creep into someone's head and find justifications for doing a demonic thing?

02:35:30.000 Like, there's a lot of things like that.

02:35:32.000 Well, you would creep into someone's head.

02:35:34.000 Right.

02:35:34.000 And you would boil the frog slowly.

02:35:37.000 Like, let's imagine this is the AIDS crisis, and you know that AZT is killing people, but you also know that you are making an insane amount of profit off of killing people with AZT, and you have already established a narrative, and Fauci said this publicly, that the reason why they only prescribe AZT is AZT is the only thing that is both safe and effective.

02:36:02.000 He literally used the same language that he used to do.

02:36:05.000 He's been doing this for a long time.

02:36:06.000 He has.

02:36:08.000 If I was a demon, I'd want to get in that guy's head, and I'd want to get him to keep doing it and say, look how much money they're making.

02:36:14.000 You got to keep this money.

02:36:16.000 There's a way to justify this.

02:36:17.000 You're the purveyor of information.

02:36:19.000 You are the gatekeeper of the truth.

02:36:21.000 You just find a way to dance around these numbers.

02:36:24.000 You do not know what you are talking about.

02:36:27.000 This is not gain of function.

02:36:29.000 I mean, just what he did there that was evil.

02:36:33.000 By taking a virus, funding it, even though it was illegal to fund it in the United States, by doing it through EcoHealth Alliance and then, you know, farming it out to them, they do it at the Wuhan lab. 0.91

02:36:44.000 And you are, in fact, doing gain of function research on a virus designed for human beings to make it more deadly and more contagious.

02:36:53.000 That's demonic.

02:36:56.000 You don't have a cure.

02:36:57.000 There was a researcher in Canada at the Manitoba Level 4 lab, Dr. Kui, I think is how you pronounce her name.

02:37:05.000 And she was the one who solved Ebola.

02:37:07.000 Like, she had come up with the vaccine for Ebola, which is manufactured by a California company that is basically a Chinese company. 0.61

02:37:16.000 And like a rock star, she had made a, like, it was like a hit.

02:37:22.000 She had a hit, a huge hit.

02:37:24.000 And just like a rock star, everybody's asking you, what comes next?

02:37:27.000 What comes next?

02:37:29.000 And so she started actively working, working really, really hard at coming up with that next thing.

02:37:37.000 And, you know, like most people, you don't want to stand in line.

02:37:41.000 And these level four labs, you know, they have to, whenever you move your research from one lab to another, you have to go through all sorts of stuff in order to do that because it's all patented.

02:37:51.000 All of these microbes and viruses and Ebola strains and whatnot.

02:37:56.000 It's all patented.

02:37:58.000 And so, for example, there was this one kid who was working at the lab in Canada, and he was moving, I think, to the one in Atlanta.

02:38:08.000 And so he was crossing the border, and he didn't want to have to reproduce all of his work.

02:38:12.000 And so he just put it into a thermos inside of a thing and tried to cross the border and he got caught.

02:38:17.000 Well, she got caught in 2019 by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, basically moving stuff from Canada via Air Canada freight from Manitoba, from Winnipeg.

02:38:30.000 This is the Winnipeg lab, to Wuhan.

02:38:34.000 And they were moving everything.

02:38:36.000 And I tracked where those were there, because I was writing a screenplay about it.

02:38:40.000 And so I tracked, like, where did that come from?

02:38:43.000 Well, it's like the cutter, or maybe it was Abu Dhabi, I can't remember, the lab there, and then that went through, in order to get around it, got sent to the one in Amsterdam, and that got sent to her.

02:38:53.000 And she was able to do all this stuff.

02:38:54.000 And she was basically just shipping, you know, everything, Hanta and all these patented things to Wuhan, you know, in order to do it.

02:39:04.000 And the Royal Canadian Mounted Police basically, you know, stopped it.

02:39:08.000 And she got like walked out of the laboratory and everything because they were like, is there a misappropriation of money going on here?

02:39:15.000 Like, what are all these flights that are occurring?

02:39:17.000 And they redacted who her financer was.

02:39:21.000 And we still don't know who her financer was, but it's one of three people.

02:39:24.000 And it's the people you probably can guess, these people who have an interest in this.

02:39:35.000 But her thing was just ambition.

02:39:37.000 It was just like anybody.

02:39:39.000 She was just wanting to have that next hit.

02:39:42.000 And she would do anything to do it, to repeat what she did with Ebola.

02:39:48.000 So she was helping to engineer viruses?

02:39:51.000 Yeah, they were engineering stuff, and then she would ship them via Air Canada freight from Winnipeg directly to Wuhan, literally on Air Canada flights. 0.97

02:40:01.000 So you're flying on Air Canada to Wuhan and down below in cargo, there's all this like, you know, some shit that goes on. 0.64

02:40:07.000 Leprosy and some horrible strain of something. 0.93

02:40:10.000 It's something that's patented.

02:40:12.000 And then they're just shipping it over to, and, you know, none of this has come out.

02:40:16.000 Like some papers in Canada, you know, like the Winnipeg Free Press or something, was trying to cover it, but it just gets kind of buried.

02:40:25.000 That was one of the weird things that I had also seen that I don't know if it's true in the Epstein files, that there was talk about engineering a pandemic.

02:40:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:40:36.000 Did you?

02:40:37.000 Yeah, I read that too.

02:40:38.000 I read that too.

02:40:39.000 That they were like actively working on it, like, you know, running models and figuring it out.

02:40:45.000 And, you know, well, if we do this, then this will happen.

02:40:47.000 And, you know, they were pretty successful at that.

02:40:50.000 But why would Epstein be involved if he's a financier?

02:40:53.000 He was involved in everything.

02:40:54.000 He was involved in everything.

02:40:54.000 Right.

02:40:56.000 It was like amazing the energy that that guy had.

02:40:59.000 Who has the energy to be like doing all this stuff like all over the world and like, oh, in Nigeria, we're doing this. 0.98

02:41:05.000 And in Yemen, we're doing this.

02:41:07.000 And here we're doing that.

02:41:09.000 And at the same time, trafficking all these girls and, you know, and young children and like all this stuff.

02:41:17.000 Right.

02:41:18.000 Who has the energy to do that?

02:41:19.000 It says no credible evidence in the recently released Epstein Files links Jeffrey Epstein or his associates to engineering the COVID-19 pandemic.

02:41:26.000 Claims stem from a misinterpreted 2017 email referencing routine pandemic preparedness discussions, not a plot.

02:41:36.000 So what was the claim?

02:41:37.000 The original claim go down.

02:41:39.000 I didn't ask it about COVID-19.

02:41:41.000 You just asked it about engineering a pandemic.

02:41:41.000 Right.

02:41:44.000 So what is the pandemic claims?

02:41:45.000 Scroll up a little so I can read that.

02:41:47.000 Scroll down a little.

02:41:47.000 That's all.

02:41:48.000 There it goes.

02:41:49.000 So 2017 email originally from 2015 discussions to Bill, widely assumed to be Gates, forwarded to Epstein, proposed recommendations and technical specifications for pandemic modeling of various strains.

02:42:05.000 It focused on healthcare data, simulations for preparedness, and neurotechnology, not creating or engineering a virus.

02:42:14.000 Gates Foundation later ran public event 2001 and 2019, a standard exercise with John Hopkins and WHO predating COVID reports. 0.75

02:42:26.000 That whole public event 2001 is fucking weird.

02:42:30.000 Event 2001 is weird. 0.93

02:42:34.000 Context and debunking pandemic simulations are common public health tools like those for SARS or flu.

02:42:41.000 Right, but why is Jeffrey Epstein involved in these discussions?

02:42:46.000 He's involved in everything.

02:42:47.000 He's involved in gravity. 0.96

02:42:48.000 But how fucking weird is that? 0.96

02:42:50.000 How weird is it? 0.99

02:42:51.000 A pandemic.

02:42:53.000 A pandemic was reportedly mentioned in the Epstein files 40 years before COVID-19.

02:42:59.000 The world.

02:43:00.000 Well, this is what my friend Eddie is doing.

02:43:01.000 And creating the illusion.

02:43:02.000 In the meantime, Ghillene Maxwell is running the Reddit forum on world news.

02:43:07.000 Like, she's literally shaping the World News Reddit forum.

02:43:11.000 She was? 0.64

02:43:12.000 She was running the World News forum on Reddit?

02:43:15.000 Yeah, she was, and it all went dark the minute she got picked up.

02:43:18.000 Her person, but she was like the main contributor did thousands of posts like all day long posting world news, shaping our perception of things. 0.96

02:43:29.000 One email was a subject preparing for pandemics was sent by a person whose name was redacted.

02:43:36.000 By the way, did you see that.

02:43:38.000 Why would they redact the person who sent that?

02:43:41.000 That's not a victim.

02:43:42.000 You're supposed to redact.

02:43:44.000 I think they just did, like, supposedly they just did massive redacting.

02:43:47.000 But sometimes you can see, like, oh, the name is short.

02:43:50.000 It's probably Bill.

02:43:52.000 And then the one that comes after that, if it's a little longer, it might be Clinton.

02:43:56.000 And if it's a little shorter, it might be Gates.

02:44:00.000 But again, that's just, you know, there's no foundation.

02:44:05.000 It's like plausible deniability until they release all these names.

02:44:09.000 Did you notice that Jeffrey Epstein's Fortnite account suddenly became active in Tel Aviv and that somebody is playing under his, right after his supposed death.

02:44:21.000 Right.

02:44:22.000 Suddenly he's playing Fortnite again.

02:44:24.000 Yeah, he doesn't even have the decency to make a new account.

02:44:27.000 Well, he wants to keep all of his stats.

02:44:30.000 His stats.

02:44:31.000 He wants to keep all that stuff.

02:44:32.000 And he's safe in another country.

02:44:32.000 Yeah.

02:44:36.000 So do you think they just did.

02:44:37.000 So that's another thing.

02:44:38.000 There was another Reddit thread about some guy who said that he was a guard.

02:44:44.000 It was a 4chan thread.

02:44:45.000 Was it 4chan?

02:44:46.000 Yeah.

02:44:46.000 So it was a 4chan thread where this guy said that he was a guard at the facility, and he posted this before Epstein was killed.

02:44:54.000 He was a guard.

02:44:55.000 They uncovered using whatever way they do it, but using phone records or whatever.

02:44:58.000 Yeah, from 4chan, they discovered he was a guard and that he was like a legit guy.

02:45:02.000 He got caught basically talking about it.

02:45:04.000 That they snuck, they used a decoy body.

02:45:08.000 There was an unscheduled ambulance arrival that night.

02:45:13.000 They never logged in, and you're always supposed to log in.

02:45:16.000 There's footage of like, you know, orange people in orange moving through the facility on the just glimpses of it.

02:45:24.000 So you think he's alive somewhere?

02:45:27.000 It's not impossible.

02:45:29.000 It's not impossible.

02:45:30.000 It's probable.

02:45:33.000 Also, didn't.

02:45:34.000 It's a probability.

02:45:36.000 It's more than a possibility.

02:45:38.000 The guy who did the autopsy, did anything happen to him?

02:45:42.000 The guy who.

02:45:43.000 He committed suicide.

02:45:45.000 Yeah, let's put that up. 1.00

02:45:46.000 That would be fucking crazy. 0.96

02:45:48.000 Because that happened to the guy who did the autopsy on Andrew Breitbart. 0.99

02:45:52.000 Didn't he wind up dying shortly after that?

02:45:55.000 Like Andrew Breitbart?

02:45:56.000 And who was the guy who said the pedestrian?

02:45:56.000 Yes.

02:45:58.000 There's an alarming amount of people commit suicide.

02:46:00.000 Alarming.

02:46:01.000 Who are doing this stuff?

02:46:04.000 There's no real reason to do so.

02:46:05.000 Suddenly they do it.

02:46:06.000 A guy in jail who committed suicide, and they didn't commit suicide.

02:46:09.000 They got killed by their celle.

02:46:11.000 Nobody bothered checking in on that.

02:46:13.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:46:16.000 The guy who did the autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein, did anything happen to him?

02:46:21.000 I mean, it was a woman. 0.96

02:46:22.000 A woman? 0.80

02:46:23.000 New York Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson.

02:46:26.000 And she just resigned a couple years ago, a year ago. 0.97

02:46:29.000 Okay, so nothing happened to her.

02:46:31.000 You're talking about evil.

02:46:32.000 You know who the devil was in The Exorcist?

02:46:34.000 Who?

02:46:36.000 Well, they say it's like Pazuzu, and we're presented with an actual devil.

02:46:41.000 But when you actually watch the movie, there's kind of evidence that, and people have talked about this, that there's evidence within the film that it's more than just demonic possession, that the demonic possession comes from someplace.

02:46:59.000 And by the way, Jeffrey Epstein was doing also funding research in how trauma affects clairvoyance and telepathy and things like that, how you're able to invoke those out of traumatic, out of trauma.

02:47:16.000 And in The Exorcist, there's, you know, you have Reagan, who's Linda Blair, and there's that party scene.

02:47:25.000 You remember in The Exorcist, they're making a movie within the movie.

02:47:29.000 They're actually shooting a movie.

02:47:31.000 The character of the mother is she's acting in a film inside of the movie, and there's a director in that film.

02:47:39.000 And they have a big party scene after it.

02:47:41.000 And the director, he's basically yelling at the butler, her houseman, calling him a Nazi and stuff like that.

02:47:52.000 And he's like, I bet you went bowling with Goebbels and things like that.

02:47:57.000 Well, for a while, he vanishes from the party.

02:48:01.000 And we later see Reagan afterwards completely flipped out, like laying in bed. 1.00

02:48:06.000 And then after that, she comes, and then he's leaving the party, and he turns to the mother, and he's like, I have to tell you something.

02:48:14.000 I have to tell you something. 1.00

02:48:18.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:48:19.000 And he leaves. 1.00

02:48:21.000 And so, and then after that, Reagan comes down and she looks to the astronaut guy and says, you're going to die up there.

02:48:28.000 And then she pisses on the floor. 1.00

02:48:30.000 And everybody's like, shit. 1.00

02:48:31.000 And from that moment on, there's all this like highly sexualized devil speaking through her with a British accent. 1.00

02:48:38.000 And the guy, the director, is a British guy.

02:48:41.000 And so the implication, and then he is for some reason left with Reagan and then gets thrown out of the balcony and his head is twisted all the way around and he dies as a character. 0.77

02:48:52.000 So the implication is that the director is the one who has raped Reagan and thus invoking this demonic presence into her.

02:49:02.000 And it turns out that I thought it was some totem that they found and it was possessed. 0.77

02:49:09.000 All of that stuff is there.

02:49:10.000 The Ouija board is there and everything.

02:49:12.000 But it turns out that William Peter Blatty actually made a movie called John Goldfrap, Your Life is blah, blah, blah.

02:49:21.000 I can't remember the exact title of the film.

02:49:23.000 And he made that movie with Shirley McLean.

02:49:26.000 And the director of the film is this guy, Jay Lee Thompson, British director, who looks exactly like the actor in that.

02:49:34.000 And so the idea is that Reagan's mother is Shirley McLean.

02:49:40.000 And Reagan is her daughter, Sasha.

02:49:44.000 And the British director is Jay Lee Thompson.

02:49:47.000 And when you start looking at his movies, they're a little strange.

02:49:49.000 You know, there's like, you know, he directed the original Cape Fear, which has a kind of strange pedophilic thing going on in it.

02:49:58.000 So does the second one.

02:49:59.000 And yeah, they all do.

02:50:01.000 And then, especially, they amplify it.

02:50:04.000 Yeah, with Julia II.

02:50:06.000 And he did this movie Kinjite with Bronson, and that all has kind of like a weird pedophilic thing.

02:50:10.000 He did this movie, The Reincarnation of Peter Proud, where Peter Proud dies, and then, or rather, Peter Proud remembers his reincarnation.

02:50:21.000 He remembers his iteration of his other self, who was murdered.

02:50:24.000 And then he hunts down the woman who maybe did it and then starts sleeping with her daughter, which is basically sleeping with his daughter because he's reincarnated.

02:50:34.000 So this guy, as a filmmaker, has done all this.

02:50:36.000 And so the question, and so William Peter Blatty worked on that film with Shirley McLean and shortly thereafter wrote the book The Exorcist.

02:50:45.000 And Sasha in her autobiography even mentions, you know, the person on the cover of the book looked a lot like me.

02:50:54.000 And everybody's saying, oh, it's just a coincidence.

02:50:56.000 And, you know, well, I never walked down the stairs on all fours and I never vomited pea soup or whatever that none of that ever happened to me.

02:51:06.000 But there's a pretty dark implication behind the whole film.

02:51:09.000 And I brought it up with William Friedkin.

02:51:11.000 Hey, is this meant to be Jaylee Thompson?

02:51:15.000 Did this, like, is this a way to talk about that that actually happened?

02:51:19.000 You know, in real life, he said, I cannot talk about that, but I'm not saying you're wrong.

02:51:24.000 Whoa.

02:51:25.000 And so, you know, and there's actually a moment where Reagan is talking to her mother and she's like, well, do you like him?

02:51:33.000 Do you like him like you like daddy?

02:51:34.000 And so there's this idea that he's been coming over and they've been having this affair.

02:51:39.000 And then all of a sudden she says to her daughter, and it kind of jumped out at me when I re-watched it.

02:51:44.000 She says to her daughter, well, I like pizza, but I wouldn't marry one.

02:51:50.000 And I was like, oh my God, there's like a pizza reference in the middle of this, in the middle of everything that's happening.

02:51:56.000 How long is that?

02:51:57.000 That's periola, but Ben Swan brought up during the whole Pizzagate thing that got him fired.

02:52:03.000 But how long has the term pizza been used?

02:52:06.000 Well, it jumped out at me and The Exorcist is in the early 70s.

02:52:11.000 And so, what is it, 1971?

02:52:15.000 And that movie that he did with Shirley McLean, who is effectively, that's the movie that they're shooting inside of the movie.

02:52:21.000 And so this was a way for Peter Benchley, I mean, not Peter Benchley, yeah, William Peter Blatty, to kind of transcode all of that.

02:52:30.000 And the astronaut in the film, Shirley McLean, talks about the, I can't remember if it was her husband or boyfriend that she remarried who was an astronaut.

02:52:39.000 And in her autobiography, she talks about how he was cloned.

02:52:43.000 He came back from space and a different person that he was cloned.

02:52:47.000 And she kind of, everybody kind of laughed it off, like, oh, it was just kind of a joke that I wrote into my autobiography.

02:52:53.000 But it's kind of weird.

02:52:55.000 Real weird.

02:52:56.000 Yeah, it's really strange.

02:52:57.000 So people speak through movies and they hide information in films.

02:53:05.000 And so I think that some more than others, right?

02:53:07.000 Yeah, William Peter Blatty, kind of who was doing all sorts of Ouija stuff with Shirley McLean, who was really into that kind of thing back in the late 60s and early 70s.

02:53:18.000 And, you know, he sits down to write his book, and what's he writing about?

02:53:24.000 Well, he's writing that movie's about Shirley McLean, her daughter, Sasha, Saatchi, I'm sorry, Saatchi, and the astronaut.

02:53:36.000 And, you know, it's all and Jaylee Thompson, who basically he eviscerates within the film, but in a way that nobody really connects it.

02:53:46.000 It all happens off-camera. 0.89

02:53:49.000 But the implication is that she was raped by that director. 0.97

02:53:53.000 And from and from that moment on, has a kind of, you know, she's speaking with a British accent as the devil. 0.98

02:54:01.000 It's his voice, actually, that's coming out of her. 0.99

02:54:04.000 She's talking about, you know, being raped by a crucifix. 0.98

02:54:08.000 That actor, that's his voice? 0.93

02:54:09.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:54:10.000 It's like the voice of, I think his name is McGowan.

02:54:10.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:54:15.000 And he was, he died like shortly after the film was made, also.

02:54:20.000 Shortly after The Exorcist was made.

02:54:22.000 Well, we know that people have encoded very bizarre things.

02:54:25.000 Like Kubrick was famous for it.

02:54:27.000 Yeah, well, that's Kubrick.

02:54:29.000 Everybody does it.

02:54:30.000 Everybody does it.

02:54:30.000 I do it.

02:54:31.000 I mean, motion pictures are a kind of magic spell.

02:54:36.000 And, you know, when you write, you're hearing, I hear voices and they come through me and they land on the page.

02:54:43.000 And I don't know where they come from.

02:54:45.000 But it is a kind of invite to possession.

02:54:51.000 And that these things come into you and that you put it on the page.

02:54:55.000 And then you make this movie.

02:54:57.000 And everybody, like I said, sits in a theater in the dark watching a flicker of this thing.

02:55:01.000 And it's telling you both our myths and traditions, but it's also predictive programming, everybody.

02:55:07.000 And so.

02:55:08.000 Jesus, dude.

02:55:10.000 Have you seen...

02:55:13.000 Have I seen what?

02:55:15.000 Well, actually, I was thinking about like that where the Daily Wire thing, but media comes from a lot of different places now.

02:55:25.000 You don't know where you're going to find your next entertainment.

02:55:29.000 And there's this show that I really like that show, Rome.

02:55:33.000 Did you see Rome?

02:55:34.000 No, I never saw it.

02:55:34.000 Okay, I loved Rome.

02:55:36.000 I watched the first episode and I thought it was flat.

02:55:40.000 Because it told the story of ancient Rome through, you know, through Shakespeare and through history and through Plato and all these kind of ideas of ancient Rome or Socrates and all these ideas of ancient Rome.

02:55:57.000 And then it told a very ground-level story from the perspective of like handmaidens and centurions.

02:56:03.000 And it still has Mark Anthony and Cleopatra and everything going on in it, but it tells a very, you know, soap opera-like drama through it.

02:56:10.000 And so there was this other show, and it had been out like three seasons when I started watching it.

02:56:16.000 And it did the exact same thing.

02:56:18.000 Nobody had ever, like, nobody was talking about it.

02:56:21.000 Nobody had ever heard about it.

02:56:22.000 Most people don't even know about it.

02:56:24.000 It's The Chosen.

02:56:25.000 Do you know this show?

02:56:26.000 What was that?

02:56:27.000 It does the exact same thing, but it does it with the Gospels.

02:56:30.000 And it's all about Christ.

02:56:31.000 And it's like a low-budget, or it was low-budget. crowdfunded story of Jesus.

02:56:39.000 And it just basically, like Rome, tells this historical tale about Jesus.

02:56:45.000 And okay, so I'm watching.

02:56:47.000 I've seen every movie about Jesus ever made.

02:56:51.000 I've seen King of Kings of both versions.

02:56:54.000 I've seen, you know, the Zephyri film.

02:56:56.000 I've seen Last Temptation of Christ.

02:56:58.000 I've seen The Passion of the Christ.

02:57:00.000 I've seen all of them.

02:57:01.000 I've seen the Jeremy Sisto Jesus movie.

02:57:07.000 I've seen everything.

02:57:08.000 I worked with Paul Verhoeven on his Jesus film that was unproduced.

02:57:13.000 And so like, I've had a lot of experience in it.

02:57:16.000 And I never really got it, to be perfectly honest.

02:57:18.000 I never really understood the story.

02:57:21.000 This show, I started watching it.

02:57:23.000 I was like, okay, I've got a chip on my shoulder.

02:57:25.000 Let's see.

02:57:25.000 And it's really cheap.

02:57:26.000 It's like rocks are made out of styrofoam.

02:57:28.000 They can't afford a, you know, a house.

02:57:33.000 And so they just use blankets and a gourd hanging.

02:57:36.000 And so it's like, it's really, really inexpensive.

02:57:38.000 And the script is even a little bit contemporary, which almost becomes like a joke as you're watching it.

02:57:43.000 It's kind of funny.

02:57:44.000 But lo and behold, I'm watching it.

02:57:47.000 And there came a moment by about episode three where it was like, ding, I get it.

02:57:52.000 Like Jesus is kind of punk rock.

02:57:55.000 He's basically saying there are no rules to anything.

02:57:59.000 Like, you know, you can commit miracles on the Sabbath.

02:58:04.000 There are no rules.

02:58:05.000 Anybody is like, all you need to be is wanting of salvation.

02:58:08.000 And it was like a third eye opened up to me.

02:58:11.000 And this show is fantastic.

02:58:12.000 And it breaks all the rules.

02:58:14.000 It's outside of the Pharisees of Hollywood.

02:58:18.000 You know, they one guy, this guy, Dallas Jenkins, who's absolutely my favorite modern filmmaker right now.

02:58:26.000 I think this guy's brilliant.

02:58:27.000 He's directed every single episode of this show.

02:58:30.000 And they've got like seven seasons out, and you can watch it for free.

02:58:34.000 On what?

02:58:35.000 On anything.

02:58:36.000 Like if you have an Apple TV, you can just look up their The Chosen app and boop, up comes the chosen app.

02:58:43.000 So it's an app thing.

02:58:44.000 Or you can watch it on YouTube or you can watch it.

02:58:47.000 I think Netflix eventually, I think it was Netflix, eventually bought it.

02:58:50.000 Now they're showing it.

02:58:51.000 Basically, you can see it anywhere.

02:58:52.000 They give it away the way the Gideons give away the Bible. 0.93

02:58:55.000 And, you know, I thought it was fantastic.

02:59:00.000 And then season two came around and suddenly they had all this money and they're doing all these like, you know, they've got this ancient Judea set with cobblestone streets and, you know, like this detailed set and Roman colonnades and stuff like that.

02:59:14.000 And I was like, wow, like they really got a big budget.

02:59:16.000 And then I looked it up and it's like, oh, no, they're using the Mormons have all these standing sets for their biblical productions in Utah.

02:59:22.000 And they're incredible.

02:59:23.000 These sets are unbelievable.

02:59:25.000 If I had known, it's like Chinnacheeta in Utah.

02:59:29.000 It's absolutely fantastic.

02:59:31.000 And the characters are, like, they only have money for like three Romans costumes, probably.

02:59:38.000 And so they're kind of like making do with what they have.

02:59:41.000 But they've got this guy playing the legate there who is hilarious.

02:59:45.000 He's in the first season.

02:59:47.000 He is absolutely hilarious.

02:59:49.000 And the show is great.

02:59:50.000 And then like proper television, you're watching it and you're starting to love these characters.

02:59:54.000 And you're starting to, like, it's, and it's, you know what it is?

02:59:58.000 The bread and butter of Hollywood is revenge and wrath.

03:00:02.000 Like, that's what makes, that's the, the fuel that pushes most Hollywood movies.

03:00:07.000 It is much more difficult and requires much more maturity to make a movie about forgiveness.

03:00:14.000 And this kid, Dallas Jenkins, I call him a kid, but he's not a kid.

03:00:16.000 That's an insult.

03:00:18.000 He's super great.

03:00:22.000 He is making every single episode is effectively, because it's the Gospels, about forgiveness.

03:00:28.000 And he has done this magnificent, unbelievable achievement.

03:00:32.000 And the show is huge now.

03:00:33.000 They've got like seven seasons.

03:00:35.000 They've built a studio, you know, like outside of Dallas-Fort Worth on a Salvation Army property that they've built sound stages and everything.

03:00:43.000 And it is, and like, and that's like, you can get it anywhere.

03:00:49.000 You can watch it anywhere.

03:00:51.000 And they're making programming that should have been on HBO.

03:00:54.000 It should have been produced by HBO the way Rome was.

03:00:57.000 And instead, it's just, it's coming out of the ether.

03:01:00.000 And it's almost like with the inattention given to, you know, most modern, or rather, the way that people are making things that they're focused on wrath and revenge,

03:01:16.000 like this other thing, like the Pendragon cycle and the chosen, have kind of risen out of the vacuum that those other, that the studios and broadcasters have kind of created because they're no longer making that kind of product, at least not as much.

03:01:33.000 And so I think this is actually one of the most exciting times in media and television.

03:01:40.000 Yeah, I definitely think it's a very unusual time where the normal people that are producing things don't have a complete monopoly on what people see.

03:01:52.000 And that many of the times these alternative things have gotten much larger than the mainstream things.

03:01:57.000 I find it like almost impossible to get a movie going.

03:02:00.000 Like I'm, you know, I'm like an independent filmmaker.

03:02:03.000 I go out there and I usually work on a script and then I figure out the budgets and I figure out and I go out and I hit the pavement and it's a really hard part.

03:02:10.000 Probably because I'm a flat earther kid.

03:02:13.000 I am not a flat earther.

03:02:14.000 I just like to provoke people.

03:02:16.000 But, you know, I go out there and I try to get this stuff made and it's like almost impossible.

03:02:23.000 And then I built a technology company over the last year and basically making AI movies.

03:02:31.000 And all of a sudden, boom, like that, money gets thrown at it.

03:02:34.000 And all of a sudden, just by attaching the word AI and that it's a technology-based company, all of a sudden, investors, you know, came in and we're in production on three films now.

03:02:45.000 AI's out right now.

03:02:46.000 I know, that's the crazy thing is that it was so easy for me to get that going and so difficult for me to get a traditional movie going through the traditional route, like going to, you know, A24, blah, blah, blah, trying to like, you know, hit the pavement.

03:02:58.000 Oh, I have to go to Europe to gather together financing and everything like that.

03:03:02.000 No, just put AI in front of it and all of a sudden you're in production on three features and we're making a Christmas movie, a family Christmas movie that'll be in theaters this holiday season.

03:03:13.000 We're making a faith-based film for next Easter and then we're making a kind of big romantic war epic.

03:03:20.000 And like as classical movies and we have like a proprietary stack of technology that we use for our process.

03:03:25.000 And I partnered with this company, Massive Studios AI, and formed my company, which is General Cinema Dynamics.

03:03:35.000 And I'm based here in Texas now, or my company is.

03:03:40.000 And I'm slowly transitioning.

03:03:42.000 Nice. 1.00

03:03:43.000 And it's like, it's actually kind of, I think, you know, so many people are against AI, like Guillaume and, you know, love him, but he's like, fuck AI, fuck AI. 0.99

03:03:53.000 But all it is is visual effects. 0.96

03:03:55.000 And I have experience like with that Beowulf movie doing it.

03:03:57.000 And what used to be a million dollars a minute is now $5,000 a minute.

03:04:01.000 And so to do it really, really well, like it looks kind of amazing, actually.

03:04:08.000 And so I think for independent cinema and for the future of film and television production, these are super exciting times.

03:04:15.000 All right, Roger, we just burned through three hours playing.

03:04:18.000 Really?

03:04:18.000 Oh, God.

03:04:19.000 Yeah, it's already four hours.

03:04:20.000 I'll share it with you.

03:04:20.000 Figure this out.

03:04:22.000 So what I pulled up is this.

03:04:22.000 All right.

03:04:24.000 This is NASA, right?

03:04:25.000 This is proper NASA.

03:04:25.000 Let me just explain right now.

03:04:26.000 Proper NASA.

03:04:27.000 So this is a FAR TV.

03:04:28.000 They're pulling in multiple feeds.

03:04:29.000 There's three different boxes at the bottom.

03:04:31.000 As you can see, this one here in the middle says offline.

03:04:33.000 So as I showed you also, I pulled up the NASA feed, which is this.

03:04:37.000 It says it's offline.

03:04:39.000 When that is offline, this channel adds a 3D model showing where the satellite currently is so that you can still follow along.

03:04:47.000 30 minutes ago, it wasn't offline and it was showing a different feed.

03:04:50.000 And I wish I could have showed it to you then, but I didn't interrupt.

03:04:53.000 So there is a Flat Earth YouTube Reddit account asking this exact thing.

03:04:59.000 What is that?

03:05:00.000 And the people on the Flat Earth Reddit gave me the answer.

03:05:04.000 Yeah, those have come out to go.

03:05:11.000 So that was what that was.

03:05:13.000 Well, I'm glad we put that to.

03:05:15.000 So it just says the video description, switch to a simulation with the ISS above the earth when the connection is lost.

03:05:20.000 AKA officials.

03:05:20.000 I was going to point that out because you can see the stars in there and you can't almost see the stars while you can see the earth.

03:05:25.000 I'm glad we can be comforted by at least one thing that is secure and stable in our understanding of reality.

03:05:32.000 Roger, that was very fun, though.

03:05:33.000 Thank you very much.

03:05:34.000 Let's do this.

03:05:35.000 Really a pleasure.

03:05:36.000 Really super pleasure.

03:05:36.000 It was a good time.

03:05:37.000 Thank you, brother.

03:05:38.000 Appreciate you very much.

03:05:39.000 All right.

03:05:39.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 11, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2452 - Roger Avary

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